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For those interested, here’s my recent article on the current Israel/Gaza conflict and the surprising and controversial origins of Zionism, which established the State of Israel:

 
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  1. Go Woke! Go Broke!

    Disney’s release of The Marvel’s is officially the lowest box office opening in M-She-U history.

    I am asking Santa for a hostile take over of Disney to succeed.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    I can do a lot with propaganda, but you will never make money...a lesson that has to be relearned again and again.

    , @songbird
    @A123

    Disney is the largest studio by major releases, is it not? And it has the highest profile IPs. They must be under the most scrutiny, but I am not sure they are necessarily much woker than the other Hollywood studios.

    Wish we had some quantification of wokeness in the major and minor Hollywood studios, so hard comparisons could be made.

    Disney appears pretty woke, but I'm not really that sure that they are all that much woker than the Hollywood average.

    For example Sony is distributing The Equalizer 3, with the main character race-swapped. A black man who helps the underdog and fights crime. This sort of reality distortion directly feeds into historical revisionism. It is exactly why the same actor Denzel Washington has been cast as Hannibal in some Netflix historical series. BTW, Sony also made Spider Man's girlfriend into a Mulatta and made his friends multiethnic and fat, as well as made a black Latino Spider Man.

    On race, I would say the studios seem fairly similar. Perhaps, Disney could be a bit gayer or more feminist.

    Replies: @A123, @Hyperborean

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Producing a film about superhero that last saw his heyday during the 1950's is from the git-go a questionable proposition. If Disney wants to make money, it needs to concentrate on silver age heroes and what came later. Superheroes that died out towards the end of the golden age, although could be interesting to recast, (Submariner, Captain America), but more difficult to market. At least Submariner and Captain America were still having a heyday in the 1950's and kept on rolling in the 60's and 70's. Of course adding all of the woke nonsense doesn't help any either. It's telling that the Marvel franchise has not been able to make much of anything of the Fantastic Four, the most popular Marvel superheroes of the silver age, what a squandered opportunity. The 2007 release of Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) was a step in the right direction, and with a worldwide gross of $333 million un ticket sales, I don't understand why 20th Century Fox decided to stall any future similar endeavors?

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/J3gAAOSwR0NlPxGX/s-l1600.png
    Great stuff if you can find it!

  2. Ukraine is a coordinated ZOG setup between NATO & Russia to waste whites. That’s all its about. Russia has a government agency headed by some Jew (Boris Spiegel) called ‘World Without Nazism’–whose purpose is to make sure white nationalists/fascists never obtain political power–so they started this war to liquidate them…

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    @Nico X

    Not a delirious scenario, the possibility of this "trans" border (stateless, religionless, race-less, mind-less) elite mindset is wide open. Deleting some areas of the globe and "developping" them afterwards has proven to be tolerable for the rabble's and middle class social and psychological acceptance. As in Ukraine, as in Lybia, as in Gaza today...

  3. Iraqi Information Minister reviews

    Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy
    Costin Alamariu (known on twitter as Bronze Age Pervert)
    no publishing corporation mark; 2023; 358 pages

    This book is a public reader-friendly version of Costin Alamariu’s Yale U. doctoral thesis from 2015, The Problem of Tyranny and Philosophy in the Thought of Plato and Nietzsche. The bad news is there is a sophisticated long argument that will take about 40 hours if you want to read the whole thing closely. Like if you were in Bronze Age Pervert’s twitter cult for example. The good news is a very short argument can be made that will convince many readers that there is no compelling reason to spend this much.

    Three parts to the review:

    1. why you do not need to bother;
    2. the full Alamariu argument as best as I can summarize (I did not spend 40 hours reading the book—I spent about 10);
    3. the parts that I thought were really great.

    The title of his dissertation references Plato and Nietzsche. There is a third guy that needs to be upfront: Leo Strauss. This is a work of Straussian criticism, and the academic advisor for Alamariu is labeled as Straussian, Steven B. Smith. What this means for our purposes is a big space for the reader to interpret. A Strauss theory is that because of censorship and political correctness, many of the classics are fit for re-interpreting in the light of an esoteric reading. Plato for example. (This might even be Strauss’s foremost example.) Plato couldn’t tell you what he really thought because he wanted to be safe and happy and not arrested and executed. So he disguised his real meaning and trusted his best students to infer what he really meant and the dullards can take it literal.

    Leo Strauss himself did not make this clear in his own books, which are heavy as Heidegger in spots. If you want a readable explanation of this gobbledygook you can find it in this book from U. Chicago Press:

    https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo18692306.html

    Philosophy Between the Lines by Arthur Melzer.

    Now, Leo Strauss, University of Chicago, and hosts of professor academic endorsements notwithstanding,

    THIS IS RUBBISH.

    If you can’t make your argument plain and factual and straight, then by definition you do not have an argument to make.

    End part 1 of the review.

    ________________________________________

    If you proceed further there is a long tortuous path of sources and arguments and whatnot to traverse. Alamariu gives us his thesis on page 55. Yes. First there are 54 pages of background before he gets to the point he is going to try and demonstrate.

    In fine, then, a provisional version of the thesis will now be stated:

    This thesis is an attempt to show that the aristocratic regime, and aristocratic morality, is the origin of the idea of nature; that, at the point at which a historical aristocracy starts to decline, its defenders, in abstracting and radicalizing the case for aristocracy in the face of its critics, come upon the teaching of nature and the standard of nature in politics. It is precisely this teaching of nature, so corrosive of all convention and all morality, that is politically explosive, and that explains the deep connection between philosophy—the criminal study of nature outside the city and outside the myths and pieties of the regime—and tyranny—the criminal and feral regime of rule outside and above all law and all convention.

    I will now crudely summarize Alamariu’s tale. It involves speculative history and anthropology. In the beginning there was no science and no scientists. There was only custom and the tribe’s older wiser people. They were presumed to already know everything worth knowing. If you had any scientific inclinations you did best to ignore them and always do what the older wiser people told you to do. Then as prehistory progressed innovators discovered stuff like smelting bronze and even methods to go about discovering stuff like smelting bronze. They didn’t call it science at first; the Greeks called it nature.

    This is the fundamental axiom of Alamariu’s book: distinction between custom and nature. Every thing is either one or the other.

    The exact same impulse to do things natural unlike custom is akin to the impulse to conquer neighbors and tyrannize your own cousins. Very dangerous stuff and nature-boys (in a couple thousand years they will be philosophers) are customarily treated with deep suspicion by all people of custom. Executing Socrates was a popular move and it was a common opinion that philosophers and tyrants were fellow travelers.

    The most salient nature subject which reveals the relation between philosophers and tyrants is breeding. Breeding of agricultural plants and livestock, breeding of children, &c. A lengthy section of The Republic is devoted to a eugenics program. If you ever wondered why that is, Alamariu explains exactly why in tedious detail.

    Except for the breeding part the argument is basically sound, well-argued and makes perfect sense. (With the previous disclaimer of course that it is rubbish gobbledygook.) When he gets to breeding it’s more forced.

    In addition to Plato, he cites long parts from Pindar and Herodotus. It gets tricky to follow everything when he argues for the implications and context of particular words in ancient Greek for life and vitality and manliness and virtue. If they can be bothered to do so, I am pretty sure a scholar in ancient Greek who has read closely all of Herodotus and Pindar and Plato could shred Alamariu’s argument quickly. His interpretation is a novel one. This is original scholarship worthy of a Yale doctor diploma. I don’t know ancient Greek and I skimmed a bunch of that stuff.

    There is one last point I need to not forget. As long as everybody is happy the aristocratic system with tyrant in charge and court philosopher works perfectly fine. When it declines and breaks down, the tyrant and philosopher go berserk and you get the fights and killings and trials and executions.

    I ignore Nietzsche. The Plato part of the arguments went down much easier. I like a bunch of Nietzsche. I do not like any of the Nietzsche that Alamariu uses. He sees an idealized Nietzsche who was fit to compete in an Olympic decathlon. Nietzsche in the real flesh was not like that and what he wrote in that spirit is absurd.

    That’s it for part 2. If you don’t like my 8 paragraph hack job of the 358 page book go to the source. I easily found a pdf on libgen. The thesis from page 55 of the book is cut and pasted from the bottom of page 58 of the pdf. Also there is a pdf of the original Yale PhD dissertation available online which I downloaded but only skimmed.

    _______________________________________

    There were a couple of parts I liked enough that I consider this book a keeper.

    The first ever mention of physics (nature, physis) in the literature is found in Homer, Odyssey, 10.303.

    It is only out of an ancient intuition or inherited assumption of some kind that a superior principle of life and being existed outside the city bounds and human enactments, outside nomos, [law, custom] that the concept of nature could be born in the first place: the first mention of phusis [nature, physics] is as regards the nature of a herb hidden deep in the wilderness, revealed to Odysseus only by the god Hermes, a nomad and transgressor of boundaries.

    (p. 94 in the book; p. 91 in the pdf)

    The first ever mention of law of nature in the literature is found in Plato, Gorgias, 483e-484b.

    Convention is chatter and darkness and false speech over against which the bare biological fact of superior breeding—the possession of “enough nature”—manifests itself with force as the only vivid truth; even the image of the lion in this context must be Pindaric, although the sinister suggestion here made that convention can smother and suppress nature, particularly the nature of a lion, does not really exist in Pindar. Also seemingly unprecedented is the phrase “law of nature,” [nomos phuseos] a commonplace in our time, but a seeming contradiction in terms during pre-Platonic or pre-Socratic antiquity. This is, as far as is known, the first instance of this phrase in history.

    (p. 170 in the book and p. 157 in the pdf)

    These two items might come in handy for me to know so I will be saving the book on my shelf. If you don’t like either of those, there is a possibility that you might find other pieces and parts in there which are valuable components for your own weltanschauung.

    To illustrate this last point, here is an example which might interest only me, but which is perhaps even better than the previous two:

    If this reminds us of the famous “noble lie” of Socrates at Rep. 414b, then we are on the right track to understanding Callicles’ point—so long as we see there is nothing noble or worthwhile about the existing conventions in Callicles’ opinion. But the mechanism works the same way: the nomos works through formative myths, through “witchcraft in speech”—Callicles uses here for bewitchment the word goeteuein, a word that occurs only rarely in Greek literature and mostly in Plato, and a word that Socrates uses several times at Republic 413 just before introducing the idea of the noble lie.

    (p. 176 in the hardopy, p 163 in the pdf)

    He has excellent citation format. The endnotes are numbered 1-406 and he doesn’t go back to numbering at 1 when he starts a new chapter. This saves time. The book does not have an index. There are close to two hundred references in the bibliography dominated by Plato, Nietzsche and Strauss. There are only a couple of places in the book where I am 99% sure what he was saying was totally made up.

    There is almost no chance in a million years I will ever cite this book and taint my own work with a footnote to Alamariu, but I enjoyed the ten hours I spent doing a quick read of it.

    • Thanks: German_reader, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @DrWatson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks for this interesting essay. It prompted me to look up Leo Strauss as the concept of "noble lie" simply eluded me, not understanding the "lie" part (even about the "noble" part some people expressed doubt, see https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-platos-republic/noble-lie/F04B78C5546C7FB5E331248F35068F76).

    This is somewhat enlightening: 'Heidegger, in Strauss's view, sanitized and politicized Nietzsche, whereas Nietzsche believed "our own principles, including the belief in progress, will become as unconvincing and alien as all earlier principles (essences) had shown themselves to be" and "the only way out seems to be ... that one voluntarily choose life-giving delusion instead of deadly truth, that one fabricate a myth." Heidegger believed that the tragic nihilism of Nietzsche was itself a "myth" guided by a defective Western conception of Being that Heidegger traced to Plato.' From here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

    Amazing, how pliable philosophical thought can be. Thanks god, there is natural sciences where laws don't change (much).

    If you read this, care to explain why Socrates was sentenced to death? A rather cruel treatment of a brilliant philosopher.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    There are only a couple of places in the book where I am 99% sure what he was saying was totally made up.
     
    What did you have in mind there? Anyway, most of your complaints about style, prolixity or repetition are almost unavoidable in writing any PHD thesis, unless you happen to be borderline genius or early-flowering prodigy like Badian.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  4. While a certain #NeverTrump commenter here hates Johnson for trying to reduce IRS funding, most Americans are appreciating recent gains: (1)

    Moments ago, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) publicly released footage from the events of Jan. 6, 2021.

    “To restore America’s trust and faith in their Government we must have transparency,” Johnson said in a post on Twitter. “This is another step towards keeping the promises I made when I was elected to be your Speaker.”

    Would it have better if this had happened some time ago? Of course. However, one has to take the wins that are available on any given day. Changing hearts and minds takes time.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2023/11/17/breaking-speaker-johnson-releases-j6-footage-the-left-is-gonna-flip-out-n4924035

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  5. Does anyone have any recommendations on South African and/or Rhodesian history books?

  6. Well, my better half is visiting family and friends in Moscow. I refused to go, out of principle – nothing against family and friends there, and the city is the best big city in the world, but it would be wrong to go and have a good time in the capital city of a country that is killing my people. It would be a little like a Polish-American married to a German girl, having a great time in Berlin in 1940. But of course nothing against the girl visiting her parents – she should.

    FWIW, they are saying over there that Putin wants to end the war and negotiate and would be willing to cut a deal in which each side can claim some sort of victory. But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin. So neither one will go for a deal soon despite what Putin wants, and the war will go on for awhile. They are saying that in Ukraine, Zaluzhny may eventually replace Zelensky. The people saying such things are moderately politically connected: a general’s child, people who know people who have spoken to Putin, that sort of thing. Not big shots themselves, but not random nobodies, either. Not close enough to have known about the war before it started (it took them by surprise) but close enough that rumors they hear are more credible than nonsense spewed by MacGregor or Ritter. So it is possible that a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    In terms of repression – there is a little, but not much. A lot of people in Moscow oppose the war and speak openly about their opposition to it, they have no worries and nothing bad happens to them. But public protest, versus private speech, can get one in trouble. Also, one can get in trouble if someone goes to the lengths of denouncing them to the authorities. So if you have an enemy or someone in your life that really hates you like a bitter ex-spouse or angry neighbor, and you say bad things about the war, they may try to turn you in. But the authorities are not hunting people or spying on them to catch them saying something against the war.

    Moscow does not feel the war much. No one from there is fighting. Putin is smart – you don’t want the capital to hate you and get desperate, you want the people there to be satisfied and complacent. Yanukovch learned the hard way what happens when the capital is eager to overthrow the president.

    Theaters, restaurants and stores are operating as normal. Many Western stores have closed, but stores do substitution. For example, a company like Zara might have left Russia but the Zara factory in China might have a sister factory right next to it that makes identical things, which are then sold in Russia under the brand name Sara. (I am making up the specific names, I don’t know if this happens with Zara, but this is how it works with various brands or stores). Western credit cards don’t work. The ruble exchange rate is much worse, and prices seem to be at pre-war levels in dollars; that suggests that things are more expensive for locals if their salaries are in rubles and haven’t been adjusted upwards to keep, at least at the nice Moscow stores. Cosmetics in Russia have become more expensive, but still cheaper than in the USA.

    As I said before, it’s a different story out in the provinces. I suspect Peter, Nizhni Novgorod, and a handful of other big and critically important cities are okay too like Moscow, but smaller ones (say, with 300,000 or so people) and villages are feeling the war. This is where the soldiers sent to die are from. A friend who came back from such a city, in the Volga region, was talking about many funerals and many angry people. I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh, Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AP


    But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia
     
    🙏⚔️

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Good descriptive summary, thanks.


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.
     
    That's almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer...

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can't be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer. In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted. But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low - it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it. Same with Ukraine, once a lot of people die for something it is awkward to abandon it.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid - an unnecessary provocation
    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk - it made the war almost inevitable
    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war - or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.

    There are contingencies, like when would Kiev be in Nato - Russia believed it was a done deal, you think Germany-France would block it. Or what would Minsk deal mean: loss of sovereignity or a manageable compromise with Donbas federal system like they exist all over EU. Put those aside, and address the above points from the Russian point of view.

    Any deal now will depend on finding a common understanding. The war, casualties, speeches are too emotional, they will just stir it up more. And remember that Russia is stronger in that region - they can outlast both Kiev and the West. Hoping for a miracle is not a strategy.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Your description of the economics and marketing of consumer goods in Russian big cities is revealing. How about pharmaceuticals? I remember hearing earlier that these sorts of products were in great demand and that unlike purses and dresses, Russian made products were not able to replace the higher quality pre-war drugs obtained from countries that have now chosen to sanction Russia.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler's position as well, as per the rumors). It's understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_g6AHXoAA5Set.jpg

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP


    I refused to go (to Moscow), out of principle.
     
    Hogwash! You are scared of Lubyanka...for the slanders/lies against Russia by your poison mind. They gotcha.

    Replies: @AP

  7. @AP
    Well, my better half is visiting family and friends in Moscow. I refused to go, out of principle - nothing against family and friends there, and the city is the best big city in the world, but it would be wrong to go and have a good time in the capital city of a country that is killing my people. It would be a little like a Polish-American married to a German girl, having a great time in Berlin in 1940. But of course nothing against the girl visiting her parents - she should.

    FWIW, they are saying over there that Putin wants to end the war and negotiate and would be willing to cut a deal in which each side can claim some sort of victory. But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia - if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin. So neither one will go for a deal soon despite what Putin wants, and the war will go on for awhile. They are saying that in Ukraine, Zaluzhny may eventually replace Zelensky. The people saying such things are moderately politically connected: a general's child, people who know people who have spoken to Putin, that sort of thing. Not big shots themselves, but not random nobodies, either. Not close enough to have known about the war before it started (it took them by surprise) but close enough that rumors they hear are more credible than nonsense spewed by MacGregor or Ritter. So it is possible that a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    In terms of repression - there is a little, but not much. A lot of people in Moscow oppose the war and speak openly about their opposition to it, they have no worries and nothing bad happens to them. But public protest, versus private speech, can get one in trouble. Also, one can get in trouble if someone goes to the lengths of denouncing them to the authorities. So if you have an enemy or someone in your life that really hates you like a bitter ex-spouse or angry neighbor, and you say bad things about the war, they may try to turn you in. But the authorities are not hunting people or spying on them to catch them saying something against the war.

    Moscow does not feel the war much. No one from there is fighting. Putin is smart - you don't want the capital to hate you and get desperate, you want the people there to be satisfied and complacent. Yanukovch learned the hard way what happens when the capital is eager to overthrow the president.

    Theaters, restaurants and stores are operating as normal. Many Western stores have closed, but stores do substitution. For example, a company like Zara might have left Russia but the Zara factory in China might have a sister factory right next to it that makes identical things, which are then sold in Russia under the brand name Sara. (I am making up the specific names, I don't know if this happens with Zara, but this is how it works with various brands or stores). Western credit cards don't work. The ruble exchange rate is much worse, and prices seem to be at pre-war levels in dollars; that suggests that things are more expensive for locals if their salaries are in rubles and haven't been adjusted upwards to keep, at least at the nice Moscow stores. Cosmetics in Russia have become more expensive, but still cheaper than in the USA.

    As I said before, it's a different story out in the provinces. I suspect Peter, Nizhni Novgorod, and a handful of other big and critically important cities are okay too like Moscow, but smaller ones (say, with 300,000 or so people) and villages are feeling the war. This is where the soldiers sent to die are from. A friend who came back from such a city, in the Volga region, was talking about many funerals and many angry people. I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Derer

    But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia

    🙏⚔️

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Reposted from the previous thread, towards the end, and could be relabeled: "What's up with that?"

    Singh, I might be more open to your message, but quite frankly I’ve been reading (in reality skimming) your posts here for several years now, and can’t make heads or tales of them. Most are laden with images of somebody brandishing and waiving a sword, and you making your way to the gym to do some weight lifting. I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture, but why? I thought that the Sikh religion was peaceful…what exactly do the Sikhs want in this world? How can we at Unzland help you?

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

  8. @A123
    Go Woke! Go Broke!

    Disney's release of The Marvel's is officially the lowest box office opening in M-She-U history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSCgPuJ7dC4

    I am asking Santa for a hostile take over of Disney to succeed.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    I can do a lot with propaganda, but you will never make money…a lesson that has to be relearned again and again.

    • Agree: A123
  9. @AP
    Well, my better half is visiting family and friends in Moscow. I refused to go, out of principle - nothing against family and friends there, and the city is the best big city in the world, but it would be wrong to go and have a good time in the capital city of a country that is killing my people. It would be a little like a Polish-American married to a German girl, having a great time in Berlin in 1940. But of course nothing against the girl visiting her parents - she should.

    FWIW, they are saying over there that Putin wants to end the war and negotiate and would be willing to cut a deal in which each side can claim some sort of victory. But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia - if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin. So neither one will go for a deal soon despite what Putin wants, and the war will go on for awhile. They are saying that in Ukraine, Zaluzhny may eventually replace Zelensky. The people saying such things are moderately politically connected: a general's child, people who know people who have spoken to Putin, that sort of thing. Not big shots themselves, but not random nobodies, either. Not close enough to have known about the war before it started (it took them by surprise) but close enough that rumors they hear are more credible than nonsense spewed by MacGregor or Ritter. So it is possible that a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    In terms of repression - there is a little, but not much. A lot of people in Moscow oppose the war and speak openly about their opposition to it, they have no worries and nothing bad happens to them. But public protest, versus private speech, can get one in trouble. Also, one can get in trouble if someone goes to the lengths of denouncing them to the authorities. So if you have an enemy or someone in your life that really hates you like a bitter ex-spouse or angry neighbor, and you say bad things about the war, they may try to turn you in. But the authorities are not hunting people or spying on them to catch them saying something against the war.

    Moscow does not feel the war much. No one from there is fighting. Putin is smart - you don't want the capital to hate you and get desperate, you want the people there to be satisfied and complacent. Yanukovch learned the hard way what happens when the capital is eager to overthrow the president.

    Theaters, restaurants and stores are operating as normal. Many Western stores have closed, but stores do substitution. For example, a company like Zara might have left Russia but the Zara factory in China might have a sister factory right next to it that makes identical things, which are then sold in Russia under the brand name Sara. (I am making up the specific names, I don't know if this happens with Zara, but this is how it works with various brands or stores). Western credit cards don't work. The ruble exchange rate is much worse, and prices seem to be at pre-war levels in dollars; that suggests that things are more expensive for locals if their salaries are in rubles and haven't been adjusted upwards to keep, at least at the nice Moscow stores. Cosmetics in Russia have become more expensive, but still cheaper than in the USA.

    As I said before, it's a different story out in the provinces. I suspect Peter, Nizhni Novgorod, and a handful of other big and critically important cities are okay too like Moscow, but smaller ones (say, with 300,000 or so people) and villages are feeling the war. This is where the soldiers sent to die are from. A friend who came back from such a city, in the Volga region, was talking about many funerals and many angry people. I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

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    Good descriptive summary, thanks.

    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer. In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted. But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it. Same with Ukraine, once a lot of people die for something it is awkward to abandon it.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.

    There are contingencies, like when would Kiev be in Nato – Russia believed it was a done deal, you think Germany-France would block it. Or what would Minsk deal mean: loss of sovereignity or a manageable compromise with Donbas federal system like they exist all over EU. Put those aside, and address the above points from the Russian point of view.

    Any deal now will depend on finding a common understanding. The war, casualties, speeches are too emotional, they will just stir it up more. And remember that Russia is stronger in that region – they can outlast both Kiev and the West. Hoping for a miracle is not a strategy.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    MSM: Rus Winning Ukr War, No Moscow Regime Change; Big Rus Advances Avdeyevka; Xi-Biden Talks: No Result
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1zENjtOIe8

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…
     
    Well, Russia's next election is in March 2024, so Putin's hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia's desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.
     
    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren't felt in the city. My wife hasn't noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted
     
    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don't know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it
     
    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one's home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly "losers" from places that don't matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don't think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
     
    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid - or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia's economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia's last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status - it became a second tier regional power with nukes - sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia's goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine's economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn't care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
     
    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev's initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn't the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich's recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
     
    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia's fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn't work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.
     
    "Do nothing" would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant "suppression" of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities - Russia's choice - was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    "Permanent critical risk." Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

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  10. @Beckow
    @AP

    Good descriptive summary, thanks.


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.
     
    That's almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer...

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can't be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer. In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted. But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low - it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it. Same with Ukraine, once a lot of people die for something it is awkward to abandon it.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid - an unnecessary provocation
    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk - it made the war almost inevitable
    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war - or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.

    There are contingencies, like when would Kiev be in Nato - Russia believed it was a done deal, you think Germany-France would block it. Or what would Minsk deal mean: loss of sovereignity or a manageable compromise with Donbas federal system like they exist all over EU. Put those aside, and address the above points from the Russian point of view.

    Any deal now will depend on finding a common understanding. The war, casualties, speeches are too emotional, they will just stir it up more. And remember that Russia is stronger in that region - they can outlast both Kiev and the West. Hoping for a miracle is not a strategy.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    MSM: Rus Winning Ukr War, No Moscow Regime Change; Big Rus Advances Avdeyevka; Xi-Biden Talks: No Result

  11. Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region, a stance Palestinian officials liken to support of “ethnic cleansing”.

    Smotrich made the comments after Knesset members Danny Danon, the former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, and Ram Ben-Barak, former deputy director of the intelligence agency Mossad, published a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on Monday suggesting moving some of Gaza’s population to nations that will accept them.

    “I welcome the initiative of members of Knesset Ram Ben-Barak and Danny Danon on the voluntary immigration of Gaza Arabs to the countries of the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region,” Smotrich wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday.

    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.

    “The reception of refugees by the countries of the world that really want their best interests, with the support and generous financial assistance of the international community and within the state of Israel, is the only solution that will bring to an end the suffering and pain of Jews and Arabs alike.”

    “The state of Israel will no longer be able to put up with the existence of an independent entity in Gaza,” he added.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/israeli-minister-supports-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians-in-gaza#:~:text=Israel’s%20far%2Dright%20finance%20minister,support%20of%20%E2%80%9Cethnic%20cleansing%E2%80%9D.

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region
    ...
    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.
     


     
    You are taking an extremely wild leap that a Finance Minister has the authority to announce government policy outside of his portfolio;). A more rational interpretation is that he is sharing his personal preference. That being said, his logic is sound.

    Hamas destroyed Gaza's fresh water supply. There is no way to fix the aquifer. Desalinization is energy intensive and far too expensive. If you insist on the population staying in Gaza, what do you propose as a solution for fresh water availability?

    There is no reason for Christendom to accept any more unassimilable migrants. Though, some of the crazier countries (e.g. Canada) might volunteer.

    Jihad unilaterally created this problem for Muslims. The need is for a Right of Religious Return. This would allow Islamists to leave Gaza, returning home to their proper Muslim lands in Arabia and Persia. Qatar is rich & Hamas HQ, perhaps followers of Hamas can relocate there;)

    PEACE 😇

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    , @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Open calls for ethnic cleansing by government ministers and other high-ranking politicians, cool. And since they're calling for Western countries to take them, it also totally refutes the counter-jihadi ideology with its "We're in the same situation as Israel" claims. One wonders how long Israel will continue to get away with this shit. They're really pushing their luck lately.

    Replies: @A123

  12. @sudden death
    Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region, a stance Palestinian officials liken to support of “ethnic cleansing”.

    Smotrich made the comments after Knesset members Danny Danon, the former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, and Ram Ben-Barak, former deputy director of the intelligence agency Mossad, published a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on Monday suggesting moving some of Gaza’s population to nations that will accept them.

    “I welcome the initiative of members of Knesset Ram Ben-Barak and Danny Danon on the voluntary immigration of Gaza Arabs to the countries of the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region,” Smotrich wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday.

    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.

    “The reception of refugees by the countries of the world that really want their best interests, with the support and generous financial assistance of the international community and within the state of Israel, is the only solution that will bring to an end the suffering and pain of Jews and Arabs alike.”

    “The state of Israel will no longer be able to put up with the existence of an independent entity in Gaza,” he added.
     

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/israeli-minister-supports-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians-in-gaza#:~:text=Israel's%20far%2Dright%20finance%20minister,support%20of%20%E2%80%9Cethnic%20cleansing%E2%80%9D.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region

    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.

    You are taking an extremely wild leap that a Finance Minister has the authority to announce government policy outside of his portfolio;). A more rational interpretation is that he is sharing his personal preference. That being said, his logic is sound.

    Hamas destroyed Gaza’s fresh water supply. There is no way to fix the aquifer. Desalinization is energy intensive and far too expensive. If you insist on the population staying in Gaza, what do you propose as a solution for fresh water availability?

    There is no reason for Christendom to accept any more unassimilable migrants. Though, some of the crazier countries (e.g. Canada) might volunteer.

    Jihad unilaterally created this problem for Muslims. The need is for a Right of Religious Return. This would allow Islamists to leave Gaza, returning home to their proper Muslim lands in Arabia and Persia. Qatar is rich & Hamas HQ, perhaps followers of Hamas can relocate there;)

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @meena
    @A123

    AIPAC!” was the forceful one-word answer of Congressman Michael Capuano when we asked him, “Why was the Iran clause forbidding war on Iran without Congressional approval taken out of the recent supplemental for the Iraq war funding?”

    Later that day, Dennis Kucinich made an appearance at Harvard, where he was asked the same question, the reason for removing the Iran provision. “AIPAC,” I volunteered out loud. Kucinich looked my way and said, “Exactly.”

    At the recent AIPAC conference in Washington, the delegates from Boston/New England were the most hawkish toward Iran. Just before the last election a notorious ad in the Boston Globe, cheering on the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, was engineered by the Jewish Community Relations Council, an arm of AIPAC here." John V. Walsh
    April 17,2007 in counterpunch

    Iran is still the target . Gazans are sacrifical lambs towards Eretz Israel.
    For some -the atrocities took place in a vacuum .Its not. UN Sec Genral hammered the nail on its head when he condemned past and enduring atrocious behaviors of Isarel.
    Jihad is a normal response to Israel's Nazi like plan of expulsion now being aired by Israeli zealots.and Israeli think tanks .

  13. Reading Bin Laden’s “Letter to America”, not impressed. It’s basically a bunch of religious waffle, /pol/tier chud ranting that mixes together a lot of unrelated things and insincere adoption of leftist tropes.

    Also, looking at this section, did the dumb daytrading, slutty, cannabis-smoking TikTok women even bother reading the part where he calls Westerners degenerate maggots who need Sharia law? It’s like a scene from The Dictator.

    (2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

    (a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling’s, and trading with interest.

    We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

    (b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

    (i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

    (ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

    (iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

    (iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

    Who can forget your President Clinton’s immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he ‘made a mistake’, after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

    (v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

    (vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

    (vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

    (viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231116112651/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gwwRw1--gfMJ:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver&hl=en&gl=us

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    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Hyperborean

    As much as I detest what has become of western societies, the honest truth is that, as long as the basic liberties that the west is admired (or notorious) for are retained, there's no degree of degeneracy it could sink to that would make me opt for the accursed "muh sharia" goatfucker lifestyle, get real.

    Liberal societies don't suffer from any problems that a thorough housecleaning couldn't solve, perhaps with a couple of dollops of nationalist paternalism on the side. As always, the fault lies not in our stars, but in our libtards.


    You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?
     
    The more embarrassing question posed to liberal society is how it can read that paragraph and not be inspired to promote atheism to the hilt? Imagine slaving away for centuries to get church lunatics off our backs only to have to go through the same thing again with an even bigger pack of retards. (I'm not actually an atheist. The "God" I believe would understand why I'm saying this.)

    Replies: @Ximenes

    , @German_reader
    @Hyperborean

    Anglin (a pretty vile individual imo) already is exultant and claims that Bin Laden's bizarre rehabilitation by the Tiktok crowd means they'll also eventually come around to thinking that "Hitler was right". Seems very unlikely to me, since the psychological motivation behind a positive evaluation of the two men must be pretty different. Hitler claimed to be Germany's saviour and Europe's paladin against the evil forces of Bolshevism and Americanism, a militant counter-revolutionary defending natural hierarchies against subversive revolutionary enemies. Obviously you'd have to ignore a lot like Hitler's utter amorality and the ugly realities of German chauvinism (e.g. the brutal treatment even or especially of right-wing Poles), but you can conceivably paint him as the champion of the white race, "Europe's last chance" etc. I wouldn't endorse such a view myself, but it's possible, and frankly, looking less ridiculous given what the post-1945 order has already led to. Whereas Bin Laden is just some swarthy foreigner ranting about how Westerners have oppressed the rest of the world for centuries, sounding not much different from what you hear in Western university departments with their postcolonial studies, while promoting the universal community of the Islamic Ummah, with its unpleasant Arabocentrism, as the solution to mankind's ills, something which should be (but unfortunately isn't) horrifying to any historically conscious European.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hyperborean

    What is the chance a female tiktok person knows what sharia law means?

    What is the chance any Saudi female people are on tiktok?

  14. @AP
    Well, my better half is visiting family and friends in Moscow. I refused to go, out of principle - nothing against family and friends there, and the city is the best big city in the world, but it would be wrong to go and have a good time in the capital city of a country that is killing my people. It would be a little like a Polish-American married to a German girl, having a great time in Berlin in 1940. But of course nothing against the girl visiting her parents - she should.

    FWIW, they are saying over there that Putin wants to end the war and negotiate and would be willing to cut a deal in which each side can claim some sort of victory. But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia - if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin. So neither one will go for a deal soon despite what Putin wants, and the war will go on for awhile. They are saying that in Ukraine, Zaluzhny may eventually replace Zelensky. The people saying such things are moderately politically connected: a general's child, people who know people who have spoken to Putin, that sort of thing. Not big shots themselves, but not random nobodies, either. Not close enough to have known about the war before it started (it took them by surprise) but close enough that rumors they hear are more credible than nonsense spewed by MacGregor or Ritter. So it is possible that a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    In terms of repression - there is a little, but not much. A lot of people in Moscow oppose the war and speak openly about their opposition to it, they have no worries and nothing bad happens to them. But public protest, versus private speech, can get one in trouble. Also, one can get in trouble if someone goes to the lengths of denouncing them to the authorities. So if you have an enemy or someone in your life that really hates you like a bitter ex-spouse or angry neighbor, and you say bad things about the war, they may try to turn you in. But the authorities are not hunting people or spying on them to catch them saying something against the war.

    Moscow does not feel the war much. No one from there is fighting. Putin is smart - you don't want the capital to hate you and get desperate, you want the people there to be satisfied and complacent. Yanukovch learned the hard way what happens when the capital is eager to overthrow the president.

    Theaters, restaurants and stores are operating as normal. Many Western stores have closed, but stores do substitution. For example, a company like Zara might have left Russia but the Zara factory in China might have a sister factory right next to it that makes identical things, which are then sold in Russia under the brand name Sara. (I am making up the specific names, I don't know if this happens with Zara, but this is how it works with various brands or stores). Western credit cards don't work. The ruble exchange rate is much worse, and prices seem to be at pre-war levels in dollars; that suggests that things are more expensive for locals if their salaries are in rubles and haven't been adjusted upwards to keep, at least at the nice Moscow stores. Cosmetics in Russia have become more expensive, but still cheaper than in the USA.

    As I said before, it's a different story out in the provinces. I suspect Peter, Nizhni Novgorod, and a handful of other big and critically important cities are okay too like Moscow, but smaller ones (say, with 300,000 or so people) and villages are feeling the war. This is where the soldiers sent to die are from. A friend who came back from such a city, in the Volga region, was talking about many funerals and many angry people. I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Derer

    Your description of the economics and marketing of consumer goods in Russian big cities is revealing. How about pharmaceuticals? I remember hearing earlier that these sorts of products were in great demand and that unlike purses and dresses, Russian made products were not able to replace the higher quality pre-war drugs obtained from countries that have now chosen to sanction Russia.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The more important question is did AP's relatives get out of the country before he posted all this actionable espionage activity on the internet? I didn't read it that close.

    : )

    Replies: @AP

  15. @Sher Singh
    @AP


    But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia
     
    🙏⚔️

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Reposted from the previous thread, towards the end, and could be relabeled: “What’s up with that?”

    Singh, I might be more open to your message, but quite frankly I’ve been reading (in reality skimming) your posts here for several years now, and can’t make heads or tales of them. Most are laden with images of somebody brandishing and waiving a sword, and you making your way to the gym to do some weight lifting. I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture, but why? I thought that the Sikh religion was peaceful…what exactly do the Sikhs want in this world? How can we at Unzland help you?

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture
     
    Dude, I'm literally hanging out LOL
    There's no heads or tails.

    Um, Idk go be healthy and help your fellow man.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pillars_of_Sikhism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack


    waiving a sword
     
    Dude, you know Sher Singh would never waive his sword.

    Replies: @songbird

  16. @A123
    Go Woke! Go Broke!

    Disney's release of The Marvel's is officially the lowest box office opening in M-She-U history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSCgPuJ7dC4

    I am asking Santa for a hostile take over of Disney to succeed.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Disney is the largest studio by major releases, is it not? And it has the highest profile IPs. They must be under the most scrutiny, but I am not sure they are necessarily much woker than the other Hollywood studios.

    [MORE]

    Wish we had some quantification of wokeness in the major and minor Hollywood studios, so hard comparisons could be made.

    Disney appears pretty woke, but I’m not really that sure that they are all that much woker than the Hollywood average.

    For example Sony is distributing The Equalizer 3, with the main character race-swapped. A black man who helps the underdog and fights crime. This sort of reality distortion directly feeds into historical revisionism. It is exactly why the same actor Denzel Washington has been cast as Hannibal in some Netflix historical series. BTW, Sony also made Spider Man’s girlfriend into a Mulatta and made his friends multiethnic and fat, as well as made a black Latino Spider Man.

    On race, I would say the studios seem fairly similar. Perhaps, Disney could be a bit gayer or more feminist.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    All of the big Hollywood players are pretty bad. Ranking them is perilous, however....

    Disney has even more movie disasters in the pipeline if they do not cancel them:

    -1- The Blade reboot is supposed to have 3 strong female leads with a story about life lessons.
    -2- Young Avengers is intended to have an all female cast. Perhaps they will let one homosexual beta male on the team
    -3- Blacktain America: Brave New World is being 80% scrapped and will be heavily reshot (video below).
    -4- Snow Beige featuring Rachel Ziegler
    -5- Avengers: The Kang Dynasty featuring Jonathan Majors
    -6- The Fantastic Four reboot where Sue Storm will be the strong female team lead. Reed Richards demoted to side kick, played by the aging Pedro Pascal.

    Disney+ streaming will feature:

    -7- The LBGTQ+ Acolyte further damaging Star Wars
    -8- Agatha Harkness, apparently a spinoff from Wandavision
    -9- Ironheart, an attempt to replace Iron Man with a PoC female lead
    -10- Echo, a blind Native America amputee
    -11- Daredevil: Born Again, the first 4 episodes were so bad they have been trashed. Starting over from scratch with new directors and writers.

    The only thing that might be OK is Deadpool 3, and they will probably find someway to foul it up too.

    PEACE 😇

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKeSdl0t-eg&pp=ygUfY2FwdGFpbiBhbWVyaWNhIGJyYXZlIG5ldyB3b3JsZA%3D%3D

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Hyperborean
    @songbird

    I have this hypothesis that what makes overly woke films flop isn't so much the direct woke content (some woke films fail but it doesn't account for the many woke films that achieve critical success) but that it becomes easier for mediocre screenwriters, directors, actors, etc. to edge out their more competent peers leading to them making a hash of things and producing an overall worse product.

  17. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    Israel’s far-right finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region, a stance Palestinian officials liken to support of “ethnic cleansing”.

    Smotrich made the comments after Knesset members Danny Danon, the former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, and Ram Ben-Barak, former deputy director of the intelligence agency Mossad, published a commentary in The Wall Street Journal on Monday suggesting moving some of Gaza’s population to nations that will accept them.

    “I welcome the initiative of members of Knesset Ram Ben-Barak and Danny Danon on the voluntary immigration of Gaza Arabs to the countries of the world. This is the right humanitarian solution for the residents of Gaza and the entire region,” Smotrich wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday.

    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.

    “The reception of refugees by the countries of the world that really want their best interests, with the support and generous financial assistance of the international community and within the state of Israel, is the only solution that will bring to an end the suffering and pain of Jews and Arabs alike.”

    “The state of Israel will no longer be able to put up with the existence of an independent entity in Gaza,” he added.
     

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/israeli-minister-supports-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians-in-gaza#:~:text=Israel's%20far%2Dright%20finance%20minister,support%20of%20%E2%80%9Cethnic%20cleansing%E2%80%9D.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Open calls for ethnic cleansing by government ministers and other high-ranking politicians, cool. And since they’re calling for Western countries to take them, it also totally refutes the counter-jihadi ideology with its “We’re in the same situation as Israel” claims. One wonders how long Israel will continue to get away with this shit. They’re really pushing their luck lately.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas "ceasefire" advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas "refugee destinations."

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a -- Do as I Say, Not as I Do. -- problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @LatW

  18. @Hyperborean
    Reading Bin Laden's "Letter to America", not impressed. It's basically a bunch of religious waffle, /pol/tier chud ranting that mixes together a lot of unrelated things and insincere adoption of leftist tropes.

    Also, looking at this section, did the dumb daytrading, slutty, cannabis-smoking TikTok women even bother reading the part where he calls Westerners degenerate maggots who need Sharia law? It's like a scene from The Dictator.


    (2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

    (a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

    We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

    (b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

    (i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

    (ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

    (iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

    (iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

    Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

    (v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

    (vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

    (vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

    (viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
     

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231116112651/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gwwRw1--gfMJ:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver&hl=en&gl=us

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    As much as I detest what has become of western societies, the honest truth is that, as long as the basic liberties that the west is admired (or notorious) for are retained, there’s no degree of degeneracy it could sink to that would make me opt for the accursed “muh sharia” goatfucker lifestyle, get real.

    Liberal societies don’t suffer from any problems that a thorough housecleaning couldn’t solve, perhaps with a couple of dollops of nationalist paternalism on the side. As always, the fault lies not in our stars, but in our libtards.

    You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

    The more embarrassing question posed to liberal society is how it can read that paragraph and not be inspired to promote atheism to the hilt? Imagine slaving away for centuries to get church lunatics off our backs only to have to go through the same thing again with an even bigger pack of retards. (I’m not actually an atheist. The “God” I believe would understand why I’m saying this.)

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Ximenes
    @silviosilver


    "there’s no degree of degeneracy it could sink to that would make me opt for the accursed “muh sharia” goatfucker lifestyle.."
     
    Simply replace "Jesus Christ the Savior" for "Allah the Almighty," and "Precepts of the Christian Faith" for "Shariah of Allah," and Bin Laden has a pretty good letter. Islam and Christianity might agree on issues such as usury and pornography, but Christianity had a record of about 1900 years of organizing itself against the forces that propagate these evils, while Muslims tended to join up with them, usually targeting Christian states as prey.

    Maybe the "church lunatics" that we had to slave to get off our backs had it right, in retrospect. In any case, that is liberal societies' heritage, like it or not.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  19. @A123
    Go Woke! Go Broke!

    Disney's release of The Marvel's is officially the lowest box office opening in M-She-U history.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSCgPuJ7dC4

    I am asking Santa for a hostile take over of Disney to succeed.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Producing a film about superhero that last saw his heyday during the 1950’s is from the git-go a questionable proposition. If Disney wants to make money, it needs to concentrate on silver age heroes and what came later. Superheroes that died out towards the end of the golden age, although could be interesting to recast, (Submariner, Captain America), but more difficult to market. At least Submariner and Captain America were still having a heyday in the 1950’s and kept on rolling in the 60’s and 70’s. Of course adding all of the woke nonsense doesn’t help any either. It’s telling that the Marvel franchise has not been able to make much of anything of the Fantastic Four, the most popular Marvel superheroes of the silver age, what a squandered opportunity. The 2007 release of Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) was a step in the right direction, and with a worldwide gross of $333 million un ticket sales, I don’t understand why 20th Century Fox decided to stall any future similar endeavors?

    [MORE]


    Great stuff if you can find it!

  20. @AP
    Well, my better half is visiting family and friends in Moscow. I refused to go, out of principle - nothing against family and friends there, and the city is the best big city in the world, but it would be wrong to go and have a good time in the capital city of a country that is killing my people. It would be a little like a Polish-American married to a German girl, having a great time in Berlin in 1940. But of course nothing against the girl visiting her parents - she should.

    FWIW, they are saying over there that Putin wants to end the war and negotiate and would be willing to cut a deal in which each side can claim some sort of victory. But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia - if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin. So neither one will go for a deal soon despite what Putin wants, and the war will go on for awhile. They are saying that in Ukraine, Zaluzhny may eventually replace Zelensky. The people saying such things are moderately politically connected: a general's child, people who know people who have spoken to Putin, that sort of thing. Not big shots themselves, but not random nobodies, either. Not close enough to have known about the war before it started (it took them by surprise) but close enough that rumors they hear are more credible than nonsense spewed by MacGregor or Ritter. So it is possible that a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    In terms of repression - there is a little, but not much. A lot of people in Moscow oppose the war and speak openly about their opposition to it, they have no worries and nothing bad happens to them. But public protest, versus private speech, can get one in trouble. Also, one can get in trouble if someone goes to the lengths of denouncing them to the authorities. So if you have an enemy or someone in your life that really hates you like a bitter ex-spouse or angry neighbor, and you say bad things about the war, they may try to turn you in. But the authorities are not hunting people or spying on them to catch them saying something against the war.

    Moscow does not feel the war much. No one from there is fighting. Putin is smart - you don't want the capital to hate you and get desperate, you want the people there to be satisfied and complacent. Yanukovch learned the hard way what happens when the capital is eager to overthrow the president.

    Theaters, restaurants and stores are operating as normal. Many Western stores have closed, but stores do substitution. For example, a company like Zara might have left Russia but the Zara factory in China might have a sister factory right next to it that makes identical things, which are then sold in Russia under the brand name Sara. (I am making up the specific names, I don't know if this happens with Zara, but this is how it works with various brands or stores). Western credit cards don't work. The ruble exchange rate is much worse, and prices seem to be at pre-war levels in dollars; that suggests that things are more expensive for locals if their salaries are in rubles and haven't been adjusted upwards to keep, at least at the nice Moscow stores. Cosmetics in Russia have become more expensive, but still cheaper than in the USA.

    As I said before, it's a different story out in the provinces. I suspect Peter, Nizhni Novgorod, and a handful of other big and critically important cities are okay too like Moscow, but smaller ones (say, with 300,000 or so people) and villages are feeling the war. This is where the soldiers sent to die are from. A friend who came back from such a city, in the Volga region, was talking about many funerals and many angry people. I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Derer

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler’s position as well, as per the rumors). It’s understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.
     
    Whatever happened to "I'd rather die fighting in a ditch in Donbass than live under GAE oppression"?
    Or "The FSB with its cool Punisher vehicles is coming to arrest the rainbow people in Kiev"?
    There's something truly unseemly about flipping from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum. It's not even convincing as sincere atonement for past mistakes, since anybody who paid attention to your comments in 2022 must suspect you'd sing a very different song if "shock and disbelief" had actually come to pass.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Pee in your pants humor to be found within the "alternative universe" add-on. May the mythical pilot Burro de Tijuana, keep flying his successful sorties until all of the occupied territories are returned to their rightful owners!

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Why are you posting this drivel to the 50 bug men of Karlinstan when you have a gazillion twitter followers?

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler’s position as well, as per the rumors). It’s understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible,
     
    Also because there are still 100,000s of Ukrainians still living under Russian occupation in the Crimean corridor.

    It becomes a real question - at what point is it "worth" having soldiers die in order to liberate those 100,000s? A very rough estimate is that there are 500,000 there. Could be another 100,000.

    Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

  21. German_reader says:
    @Hyperborean
    Reading Bin Laden's "Letter to America", not impressed. It's basically a bunch of religious waffle, /pol/tier chud ranting that mixes together a lot of unrelated things and insincere adoption of leftist tropes.

    Also, looking at this section, did the dumb daytrading, slutty, cannabis-smoking TikTok women even bother reading the part where he calls Westerners degenerate maggots who need Sharia law? It's like a scene from The Dictator.


    (2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

    (a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

    We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

    (b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

    (i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

    (ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

    (iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

    (iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

    Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

    (v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

    (vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

    (vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

    (viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
     

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231116112651/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gwwRw1--gfMJ:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver&hl=en&gl=us

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Anglin (a pretty vile individual imo) already is exultant and claims that Bin Laden’s bizarre rehabilitation by the Tiktok crowd means they’ll also eventually come around to thinking that “Hitler was right”. Seems very unlikely to me, since the psychological motivation behind a positive evaluation of the two men must be pretty different. Hitler claimed to be Germany’s saviour and Europe’s paladin against the evil forces of Bolshevism and Americanism, a militant counter-revolutionary defending natural hierarchies against subversive revolutionary enemies. Obviously you’d have to ignore a lot like Hitler’s utter amorality and the ugly realities of German chauvinism (e.g. the brutal treatment even or especially of right-wing Poles), but you can conceivably paint him as the champion of the white race, “Europe’s last chance” etc. I wouldn’t endorse such a view myself, but it’s possible, and frankly, looking less ridiculous given what the post-1945 order has already led to. Whereas Bin Laden is just some swarthy foreigner ranting about how Westerners have oppressed the rest of the world for centuries, sounding not much different from what you hear in Western university departments with their postcolonial studies, while promoting the universal community of the Islamic Ummah, with its unpleasant Arabocentrism, as the solution to mankind’s ills, something which should be (but unfortunately isn’t) horrifying to any historically conscious European.

  22. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler's position as well, as per the rumors). It's understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_g6AHXoAA5Set.jpg

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Whatever happened to “I’d rather die fighting in a ditch in Donbass than live under GAE oppression”?
    Or “The FSB with its cool Punisher vehicles is coming to arrest the rainbow people in Kiev”?
    There’s something truly unseemly about flipping from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum. It’s not even convincing as sincere atonement for past mistakes, since anybody who paid attention to your comments in 2022 must suspect you’d sing a very different song if “shock and disbelief” had actually come to pass.

    • Agree: Mikhail, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @German_reader

    Putin is relative stability to the other extremes in Russia as well as the neocon/neolib/svido cabal.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    Not really that radical a flip, I merely returned to the negative outlook I had on the Putin regime c.2015-18, minus the nationalism.

    That aside, I certainly don't owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the "shock and disbelief" of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like "post-cult recovery". Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.

    It's only after I was outside Russia about 5 years, I was starting to think how strange a lot of the culture and views they were promoting.

    I always had a feeling he was trolling until 2022 as kind of art project. After he attacks us in 2022, it seemed I was incorrect. So, it is possible he was a victim of the kremlin marketing project which was targeting people with the far-left/far-right views. This kremlin marketing was designed for the people in the far part of the horseshoe in the theory of the horseshoe.

    I discussed about it last thread. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6265508

    -

    After 1991, one of the main raisons d'êtres of the politics has been to move from Moscow to London without people tracing your money from either side.

    If marketing created by the postsoviet space was powerful enough. it will have unpredicted effects like a leftwing person of color in London immigrating in the incorrect direction from London to Moscow to be, a "Russian nationalist", which is a customized pro-government imperialism using views originally created by the KGB to confuse late soviet people in the 1970s/1980s.

    Perhaps you could imagine something similar with "Nigerian prince" marketing projects. The raison d'être of the Nigerian prince marketing project is someone in the developed country transfers money to you.

    But if you use too much creative talent in the Nigerian prince marketing, some people will become fans of the stories. They could write articles about the data from the Nigerian princes, using graphs. They could begin analyzing the architecture of different castles of Nigerian princes.

    Visually talented people could painting pictures of the Nigerians princes. Some of these pictures will have creative value. The stories created by the Nigerian prince marketing could even have a kind of independent fertile culture.

    But, the raison d'être was still the money transfer. And in a large part of the postsoviet space it has been always bank accounts in Switzerland and the apartments in Knightsbridge.

    If you explain this to people who believed in the Nigerian prince, they could perhaps not accept it. If they don't accept it, it will require some time for them to recover their rationality.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

  23. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.
     
    Whatever happened to "I'd rather die fighting in a ditch in Donbass than live under GAE oppression"?
    Or "The FSB with its cool Punisher vehicles is coming to arrest the rainbow people in Kiev"?
    There's something truly unseemly about flipping from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum. It's not even convincing as sincere atonement for past mistakes, since anybody who paid attention to your comments in 2022 must suspect you'd sing a very different song if "shock and disbelief" had actually come to pass.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    Putin is relative stability to the other extremes in Russia as well as the neocon/neolib/svido cabal.

  24. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler's position as well, as per the rumors). It's understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_g6AHXoAA5Set.jpg

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Pee in your pants humor to be found within the “alternative universe” add-on. May the mythical pilot Burro de Tijuana, keep flying his successful sorties until all of the occupied territories are returned to their rightful owners!

  25. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Open calls for ethnic cleansing by government ministers and other high-ranking politicians, cool. And since they're calling for Western countries to take them, it also totally refutes the counter-jihadi ideology with its "We're in the same situation as Israel" claims. One wonders how long Israel will continue to get away with this shit. They're really pushing their luck lately.

    Replies: @A123

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a — Do as I Say, Not as I Do. — problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?
     
    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire? There's some crazy minister in Spain who has, but other than that it's mostly "We support Israel" stuff (actually far too much of that).
    Really funny to see what kind of contorted reasoning you have to resort to, so your stance doesn't become totally incoherent now that Israeli politicians talk openly about foisting off their Gaza problem on Western sucker countries.

    Replies: @A123

    , @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn't mean people can be freely moved to those countries - you do not shuffle people around the world like that (it's possible but not desirable to uproot people like that).

    It's understandable that Israel has always had a huge problem on their hands that way, since the Palis are impossible for the Jews to integrate (with very few exceptions). And Israel had done tremendous work trying to work out some kind of a cohabitation model (there are even Arabs in the Knesset). Alas, this policy failed (or backfired). And btw I don't know what the solution is (if long term thorough integration attempts do not work).

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call "SJW Globalist" countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    And, above all, the diaspora Jews have for years battled native Europeans by forcing them to integrate alien cultures. I would like to see those diaspora Jews openly admit that they were wrong and that their ideology has failed (if they are so eager to spread Palis around).

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask. I'm also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt's position). We've heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states. Nothing against the nation of Qatar, but maybe they can help somehow (as you suggested). The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren. We helped our Ukrainian brethren without even thinking for a second.

    For example, Russia accepted the refugees from Ukraine and Donbas. Russia did use the Donbas proxies in a rather cruel way - however, Russia was generous enough to accept everyone who wanted to move to Russia.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @silviosilver

    , @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?
     
    Why should Ukrainians not call out pro-Putin MAGA "ceasefire" advocates?

    Replies: @A123

  26. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Reposted from the previous thread, towards the end, and could be relabeled: "What's up with that?"

    Singh, I might be more open to your message, but quite frankly I’ve been reading (in reality skimming) your posts here for several years now, and can’t make heads or tales of them. Most are laden with images of somebody brandishing and waiving a sword, and you making your way to the gym to do some weight lifting. I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture, but why? I thought that the Sikh religion was peaceful…what exactly do the Sikhs want in this world? How can we at Unzland help you?

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture

    Dude, I’m literally hanging out LOL
    There’s no heads or tails.

    Um, Idk go be healthy and help your fellow man.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pillars_of_Sikhism

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Suppose the broad support of Sikhs for the tranny Trudeau must fall under case #3:


    3. Vaṇḍ Chakkō: The Sikhs were asked to share (the food, Wealth etc.) with everyone, Irrespective of caste, creed, color or sexuality by practising Vaṇḍ Chakkō—“Share and Consume together”.

     

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    As a propagandist for your cause, you're a limp wristed failure. I get more from reading our resident Irish-American songbird's posts about sikh activism (admittedly, that's not much). No more sword pictures please, they've become to be so boring!

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird

  27. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @German_reader

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas "ceasefire" advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas "refugee destinations."

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a -- Do as I Say, Not as I Do. -- problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @LatW

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?

    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire? There’s some crazy minister in Spain who has, but other than that it’s mostly “We support Israel” stuff (actually far too much of that).
    Really funny to see what kind of contorted reasoning you have to resort to, so your stance doesn’t become totally incoherent now that Israeli politicians talk openly about foisting off their Gaza problem on Western sucker countries.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire?
     
    France, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, and Switzerland: (1)

    The United Nations General Assembly in New York adopted Friday a resolution the U.N. General that called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza but made no mention of Hamas or the fact that the Islamist terror organization is holding hundreds of hostages in the Strip. The resolution, initiated by Jordan, was adopted by 120 votes in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

    Who voted in favour and against in the European Union ?

    Four EU member states are among the 14 countries that voted against: Austria, Croatia, Cezch Republic and Hungary.
    ...
    The resolution was supported by Western countries whose leaders recently paid solidarity trips to Israel, including France, while others including Germany, the U.K., Greece and Cyprus abstained.

    The 45 countries that abstained also included Australia, Canada, Finland, India, Iraq, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia and Ukraine.

    Two other EU countries vote in favour: Belgium and Ireland,

    Norway and Switzerland were also among the European nations that voted in favor.

     
    https://ejpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/UNGA_2023_CEASEFIRE.jpg
     

     

    Only 4 European nations stood with Palestinian Jews.

    Why did Germany abstain?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://ejpress.org/four-eu-countries-voted-against-a-un-general-assembly-resolution-on-the-israel-hamas-war/

    Replies: @German_reader

  28. Among the 65% who said they were raised Catholic, 23% said they no longer identified as such. “They’ve left the Catholic church, but they now identify with some other faith or no faith at all. That’s a pretty steep decline,” Pew researcher Besheer Mohamed told Religion News Service.

    Interesting data regarding the religious affiliations of US Hispanics. Catholics are now merely a plurality. Secularisation is particularly tilted towards the age 18-29 cohort and the U.S born Hispanics.

    https://religionnews.com/2023/04/13/survey-us-born-latinos-now-more-likely-to-be-nones-than-catholic/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Hyperborean

    Know of a Catholic church that burnt down in the Boston suburbs in the '90s in what I would call a fairly wealthy nighborhood. They replaced it with Mexican aesthetics, architectually, even though I don't believe many Latinos would be in that area, even now.

  29. Looks like Russia is back to using Stalingrad tactics:

    Sending in 18 year olds without any training to soak up artillery.

    Hell of a nation.

    I hope they give out awards for stolen appliances when this war is over.

    COMRADE GRANOVSKY

    YOU STOLE THE MOST DISHWASHERS OF YOUR UNIT

    THE FATHERLAND IS PROUD

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    More pro-Kiev regime projection.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @John Johnson

    I believe the Russians would refer to the Motherland, rodina, actually.

    But a guy as well informed about Russia as you, would surely know that already.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  30. @Hyperborean
    https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/webRNS-PR_NSL-religion_00-01.jpg

    https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/webRNS-PR_NSL-religion_00-02.jpg

    https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/webRNS-PR_NSL-religion_00-04.jpg

    Among the 65% who said they were raised Catholic, 23% said they no longer identified as such. “They’ve left the Catholic church, but they now identify with some other faith or no faith at all. That’s a pretty steep decline,” Pew researcher Besheer Mohamed told Religion News Service.
     
    Interesting data regarding the religious affiliations of US Hispanics. Catholics are now merely a plurality. Secularisation is particularly tilted towards the age 18-29 cohort and the U.S born Hispanics.

    https://religionnews.com/2023/04/13/survey-us-born-latinos-now-more-likely-to-be-nones-than-catholic/

    Replies: @songbird

    Know of a Catholic church that burnt down in the Boston suburbs in the ’90s in what I would call a fairly wealthy nighborhood. They replaced it with Mexican aesthetics, architectually, even though I don’t believe many Latinos would be in that area, even now.

  31. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.
     
    Whatever happened to "I'd rather die fighting in a ditch in Donbass than live under GAE oppression"?
    Or "The FSB with its cool Punisher vehicles is coming to arrest the rainbow people in Kiev"?
    There's something truly unseemly about flipping from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum. It's not even convincing as sincere atonement for past mistakes, since anybody who paid attention to your comments in 2022 must suspect you'd sing a very different song if "shock and disbelief" had actually come to pass.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    Not really that radical a flip, I merely returned to the negative outlook I had on the Putin regime c.2015-18, minus the nationalism.

    That aside, I certainly don’t owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    That aside, I certainly don’t owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.
     
    LOL. You're a moral and intellectual failure on every level, a sad excuse for a human being, it's not like you have the moral standing to condemn me. At least I never supported an aggressive war of conquest (including fantasies about how the war had to be waged "properly", with less concern over civilian casualties), only to flip around to cynical open borders shitlibbery, when my megalomanical fantasies turned out to be unfounded. Both those positions are already pretty warped in themselves, but flipping from one to the other within little more than a year indicates some deep-seated personality disorder. You're a hollow narcissist with no substance to your character.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m sure he’s real concerned about the opinion of a faggot with no wife, no children, no real productive job, a lame sense of humor, and a tendency to run screaming into the closet whenever the government scares him with flu viruses.

    Bitch.

    Replies: @AP

  32. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture
     
    Dude, I'm literally hanging out LOL
    There's no heads or tails.

    Um, Idk go be healthy and help your fellow man.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pillars_of_Sikhism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Suppose the broad support of Sikhs for the tranny Trudeau must fall under case #3:

    3. Vaṇḍ Chakkō: The Sikhs were asked to share (the food, Wealth etc.) with everyone, Irrespective of caste, creed, color or sexuality by practising Vaṇḍ Chakkō—“Share and Consume together”.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Conservatives oppose Turban & Kirpan.
    Don't read too much into wikipedia

    Conservatives oppose honor killing
    Conservatives support jail for illegal guns
    (No such thing)

    ਅਕਾਲ

  33. @songbird
    @A123

    Disney is the largest studio by major releases, is it not? And it has the highest profile IPs. They must be under the most scrutiny, but I am not sure they are necessarily much woker than the other Hollywood studios.

    Wish we had some quantification of wokeness in the major and minor Hollywood studios, so hard comparisons could be made.

    Disney appears pretty woke, but I'm not really that sure that they are all that much woker than the Hollywood average.

    For example Sony is distributing The Equalizer 3, with the main character race-swapped. A black man who helps the underdog and fights crime. This sort of reality distortion directly feeds into historical revisionism. It is exactly why the same actor Denzel Washington has been cast as Hannibal in some Netflix historical series. BTW, Sony also made Spider Man's girlfriend into a Mulatta and made his friends multiethnic and fat, as well as made a black Latino Spider Man.

    On race, I would say the studios seem fairly similar. Perhaps, Disney could be a bit gayer or more feminist.

    Replies: @A123, @Hyperborean

    All of the big Hollywood players are pretty bad. Ranking them is perilous, however….

    Disney has even more movie disasters in the pipeline if they do not cancel them:

    -1- The Blade reboot is supposed to have 3 strong female leads with a story about life lessons.
    -2- Young Avengers is intended to have an all female cast. Perhaps they will let one homosexual beta male on the team
    -3- Blacktain America: Brave New World is being 80% scrapped and will be heavily reshot (video below).
    -4- Snow Beige featuring Rachel Ziegler
    -5- Avengers: The Kang Dynasty featuring Jonathan Majors
    -6- The Fantastic Four reboot where Sue Storm will be the strong female team lead. Reed Richards demoted to side kick, played by the aging Pedro Pascal.

    Disney+ streaming will feature:

    -7- The LBGTQ+ Acolyte further damaging Star Wars
    -8- Agatha Harkness, apparently a spinoff from Wandavision
    -9- Ironheart, an attempt to replace Iron Man with a PoC female lead
    -10- Echo, a blind Native America amputee
    -11- Daredevil: Born Again, the first 4 episodes were so bad they have been trashed. Starting over from scratch with new directors and writers.

    The only thing that might be OK is Deadpool 3, and they will probably find someway to foul it up too.

    PEACE 😇

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKeSdl0t-eg&pp=ygUfY2FwdGFpbiBhbWVyaWNhIGJyYXZlIG5ldyB3b3JsZA%3D%3D

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Disney has even more movie disasters in the pipeline if they do not cancel them:

    You spend a lot of time thinking about a company that makes children's movies for children and comic book movies for adults that like children's movies.

    Here is how much time I spend thinking about a Disney movie after reading in the first few sentences that it is promoting some agenda:
    Sounds gay. I'll pass

    I haven't watched the newest Star Wars movies. Wasn't able to watch more than 15 minutes of them on TV. Too gay and derivative. Star Wars fans are the worst. Kathleen Kennedy could take a dump while wearing a Wookie costume and Star Wars fans would see it in the theater.

  34. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Good descriptive summary, thanks.


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.
     
    That's almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer...

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can't be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer. In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted. But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low - it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it. Same with Ukraine, once a lot of people die for something it is awkward to abandon it.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid - an unnecessary provocation
    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk - it made the war almost inevitable
    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war - or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.

    There are contingencies, like when would Kiev be in Nato - Russia believed it was a done deal, you think Germany-France would block it. Or what would Minsk deal mean: loss of sovereignity or a manageable compromise with Donbas federal system like they exist all over EU. Put those aside, and address the above points from the Russian point of view.

    Any deal now will depend on finding a common understanding. The war, casualties, speeches are too emotional, they will just stir it up more. And remember that Russia is stronger in that region - they can outlast both Kiev and the West. Hoping for a miracle is not a strategy.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…

    Well, Russia’s next election is in March 2024, so Putin’s hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia’s desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.

    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren’t felt in the city. My wife hasn’t noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted

    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don’t know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it

    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one’s home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly “losers” from places that don’t matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don’t think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation

    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid – or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia’s economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia’s last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status – it became a second tier regional power with nukes – sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia’s goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine’s economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn’t care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws

    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev’s initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn’t the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich’s recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable

    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia’s fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn’t work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.

    “Do nothing” would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant “suppression” of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities – Russia’s choice – was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    “Permanent critical risk.” Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    It is possible that Russia’s desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side.

    They feel like pressured attacks.

    Meaning the chief executive midget is under pressure to take Avdiika for either PR or strategic reasons.

    My guess is that he wants to try and negotiate the current lines on a high note. Pretend that taking Donbas was the goal the entire time and not mention that they don't have all of it. Just play up recent gains and raise his "Mission Accomplished" banner. But there is no reason to assume Kiev would go along with this plan.

    Or perhaps Putin is afraid of a battle in Donetsk. Would be quite demoralizing to the Russians if they lost it or even if it was turned into rubble.

    It's all speculation at this point but the nature of the attacks suggest some type of pressure or deadline. They are sending 3-15 man teams just like they did in Bakhmut. Small suicide attack groups that get chewed up by defended positions. Well that is if they survive the artillery and drones.

    The weather is going to drop on Tuesday. Expect a bloody 48 hours as Putin seems to really want this territory. When the temp gets down to 20' F you really need the right equipment to survive. It also makes it much harder to dig trenches. If the temp hovers around 32 it is doable but you really have to be careful at 20.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    “Do nothing” would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant “suppression” of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities – Russia’s choice – was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.
     
    Seems like Russia's most moral move in February 2022 would have been to quickly annex the separatist-controlled parts of the Donbass without invading the rest of Ukraine, no? Would have prevented an eventual Ukrainian Operation Storm in the Donbass that way, after all. This outcome was not guaranteed but it remained a possibility for so long as the Donbass remained un-annexed by Russia.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.
     
    Well, there would need to be concessions on Russia's part to get the way to agree to this. What exactly would Russia have been prepared to offer in exchange? A promise to wage a 1941-style trade embargo on China in the event that China will ever attack Taiwan and also a promise to end all military cooperation with China?

    If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved.
     
    Are you sure that there would not have been a Russian invasion of Ukraine back in 2008 in such a scenario? Except with Ukrainians possibly being more divided about it in 2008 relative to 2014 because Ukrainians were extremely hostile towards NATO back in 2008 whereas NATO was not on the Ukrainian government's agenda in early 2014 when Russia actually invaded Ukraine in real life.
    , @LatW
    @AP


    They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?)
     
    They've had those the whole time since 1991 and secondary schools as well. Russian, Polish and some others. Ukrainian, too, I think. They're currently still in place, but we'll be moving towards one language from now on (the war didn't help the Russian world), the children (and the parents) are very cooperative, the children will be taken care of (and will retain their mother language, but will be mostly bilingual). Their living standards will also be raised, with new infrastructure, etc.
    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid
     
    They either wanted to provoke a Russian-Ukrainian war, were bluffing that Russia won't do anything, or they are simply stupid. But it was the dumbest possible policy to achieve what they claimed was their goal.

    NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely.
     
    That makes no sense. Everyone understood that it is a lengthy process - starting it without providing "security" is not how any 3-digit IQ person would do it. That suggests that the goal was different than protecting Ukraine.

    Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.
     
    Finland just took itself out as a potential example, it chose instead to be a potential target. Austrian solution would fit: Austria is a very European country and neutral.

    Your usual defense of Kiev anti-Russian language laws and failure to accept Minsk deal are pointless. You know that you wrong, I won't repeat it.


    Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities – Russia’s choice – was not a better fate.
     
    Wars are like that. Nato killed people and wreck cities for years, didn't that bother you? But I agree it is a tragedy and it shouldn't be happening. But the fault also lies with those who refused to compromise.

    West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.
     
    Yes. But things happen for a reason, it was not an oversight - it tells us that West lied about what their goals were. They wanted Crimea more than anything. They wanted to keep the crisis going, maybe even to the point to have a war. If you have a better explanation, tell us...

    “Permanent critical risk.” Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal.
     
    You can corner a country without invading - you can get an upper hand in a crisis. In any case, the Russian security establishment didn't want to take your word for it. Same as US wouldn't about Canada or even Cuba. You refuse to see the others as having the same rights - the usual incurable American narcissism. How many wars has it caused?
    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn’t the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?
     
    Mikel was saying that the Israelis should stop flattening whole neighborhoods and killing full families, including women and children. Well, in that case, why shouldn't Hamas commit more terror attacks, since nobody would resists them? Same false dilemma.

    I also told you that a perfectly possible Ukrainian military strategy in 2014 was to prevent the rebels from expanding the areas they controlled while avoiding shelling its own citizens in the areas seized by the rebels. But you seem to be too invested in defending the killing of civilians in Donbas, that you've doing for so many years, and don't pay much attention to opposing arguments. Of course, the military and political approach taken by Poroshenko and his entourage was not the only possible one, let alone the most ethical one or the one most consistent to the European/democratic values that Kiev professed to have switched to.

    In fact, I perfectly remember a prominent Ukrainian military officer declaring at the time pretty much the same I'm saying now: that Ukraine had to choose between a strategy of controlling the territory or gaining the hearts of the people inhabiting that territory, which it was not doing by shelling them. It was obvious for any dispassionate observer.

    Some Russians took prominent roles in the Donbas uprising, along with the local rebels (not too surprising, given that they were witnessing a pro-Russian reaction to the events in Kiev right across the border) and the Kremlin gave limited and belated support to the rebels in order to prevent the Ukrainians overrunning them. But there is not physical or human law stating anywhere that any of this required shelling your own civilians. Pro-Russian uprisings had failed everywhere else by the time the military clashes started in Donbas and Kiev could have perfectly tried some negotiated solution to the genuine underlying problem of different ethnic and cultural allegiances in Eastern Ukraine.

    It's even quite possible that the war in 2022 would have never been unleashed if Poroshenko had not resorted to the Sovok, ham-fisted approach of killing thousands of his own countrymen. Obviously, Putin never cared much about those civilians either. He actually killed more of them during the SMO, but he does care about Russian public opinion, as the account of your relatives suggests, and the SMO would have surely been much harder to justify to the Russians without all that bloodshed caused by the Ukrainians on their co-ethnics. A very bad strategy by Poroshenko whichever way you look at it.

    Replies: @AP

  35. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    Not really that radical a flip, I merely returned to the negative outlook I had on the Putin regime c.2015-18, minus the nationalism.

    That aside, I certainly don't owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    That aside, I certainly don’t owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.

    LOL. You’re a moral and intellectual failure on every level, a sad excuse for a human being, it’s not like you have the moral standing to condemn me. At least I never supported an aggressive war of conquest (including fantasies about how the war had to be waged “properly”, with less concern over civilian casualties), only to flip around to cynical open borders shitlibbery, when my megalomanical fantasies turned out to be unfounded. Both those positions are already pretty warped in themselves, but flipping from one to the other within little more than a year indicates some deep-seated personality disorder. You’re a hollow narcissist with no substance to your character.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    I'm uninterested in condemnations in principle let alone condemnations of random anonymous Internet Nazis who spend inordinate amounts of time seething about the gays and trans and immigrants while fearfully looking over their shoulder at their state's punitive organs (so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive), though I would reiterate a point I made before, allow that I am a moral and intellectual failure on every level, what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?

    Replies: @German_reader

  36. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    I understand that you’re trying to present an image of a very macho culture
     
    Dude, I'm literally hanging out LOL
    There's no heads or tails.

    Um, Idk go be healthy and help your fellow man.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pillars_of_Sikhism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    As a propagandist for your cause, you’re a limp wristed failure. I get more from reading our resident Irish-American songbird’s posts about sikh activism (admittedly, that’s not much). No more sword pictures please, they’ve become to be so boring!

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xg3C2e3uNLE&pp=ygUVS2hhcmt1IFB1bmphYiB1dGUgUmFq

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VY4DUHyleM4&pp=ygUTa2hhcmt1IGxhbmRyYW4gd2FsZQ%3D%3D

    https://twitter.com/jassa84/status/1724023181575323892

    Literally not a propagandist & Khalsa is an army.
    You're not trying to fight.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Interestingly, Canada is actually the country with the highest national percentage of Sikhs. (i.e. higher than India.). Which country do Sikhs have more influence over?

    BTW, I once heard a Boer claim that South Africa is the country with the most Indians outside of India, which I find really puzzling. It was recently, but perhaps that was based on 1990 numbers or something?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  37. @German_reader
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?
     
    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire? There's some crazy minister in Spain who has, but other than that it's mostly "We support Israel" stuff (actually far too much of that).
    Really funny to see what kind of contorted reasoning you have to resort to, so your stance doesn't become totally incoherent now that Israeli politicians talk openly about foisting off their Gaza problem on Western sucker countries.

    Replies: @A123

    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire?

    France, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, and Switzerland: (1)

    The United Nations General Assembly in New York adopted Friday a resolution the U.N. General that called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza but made no mention of Hamas or the fact that the Islamist terror organization is holding hundreds of hostages in the Strip. The resolution, initiated by Jordan, was adopted by 120 votes in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

    Who voted in favour and against in the European Union ?

    Four EU member states are among the 14 countries that voted against: Austria, Croatia, Cezch Republic and Hungary.

    The resolution was supported by Western countries whose leaders recently paid solidarity trips to Israel, including France, while others including Germany, the U.K., Greece and Cyprus abstained.

    The 45 countries that abstained also included Australia, Canada, Finland, India, Iraq, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia and Ukraine.

    Two other EU countries vote in favour: Belgium and Ireland,

    Norway and Switzerland were also among the European nations that voted in favor.

      

    Only 4 European nations stood with Palestinian Jews.

    Why did Germany abstain?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://ejpress.org/four-eu-countries-voted-against-a-un-general-assembly-resolution-on-the-israel-hamas-war/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    Why did Germany abstain?
     
    Why not? Looks like the most balanced position.
  38. @songbird
    @A123

    Disney is the largest studio by major releases, is it not? And it has the highest profile IPs. They must be under the most scrutiny, but I am not sure they are necessarily much woker than the other Hollywood studios.

    Wish we had some quantification of wokeness in the major and minor Hollywood studios, so hard comparisons could be made.

    Disney appears pretty woke, but I'm not really that sure that they are all that much woker than the Hollywood average.

    For example Sony is distributing The Equalizer 3, with the main character race-swapped. A black man who helps the underdog and fights crime. This sort of reality distortion directly feeds into historical revisionism. It is exactly why the same actor Denzel Washington has been cast as Hannibal in some Netflix historical series. BTW, Sony also made Spider Man's girlfriend into a Mulatta and made his friends multiethnic and fat, as well as made a black Latino Spider Man.

    On race, I would say the studios seem fairly similar. Perhaps, Disney could be a bit gayer or more feminist.

    Replies: @A123, @Hyperborean

    I have this hypothesis that what makes overly woke films flop isn’t so much the direct woke content (some woke films fail but it doesn’t account for the many woke films that achieve critical success) but that it becomes easier for mediocre screenwriters, directors, actors, etc. to edge out their more competent peers leading to them making a hash of things and producing an overall worse product.

  39. @A123
    @German_reader


    Which Western countries have called for a ceasefire?
     
    France, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, and Switzerland: (1)

    The United Nations General Assembly in New York adopted Friday a resolution the U.N. General that called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza but made no mention of Hamas or the fact that the Islamist terror organization is holding hundreds of hostages in the Strip. The resolution, initiated by Jordan, was adopted by 120 votes in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

    Who voted in favour and against in the European Union ?

    Four EU member states are among the 14 countries that voted against: Austria, Croatia, Cezch Republic and Hungary.
    ...
    The resolution was supported by Western countries whose leaders recently paid solidarity trips to Israel, including France, while others including Germany, the U.K., Greece and Cyprus abstained.

    The 45 countries that abstained also included Australia, Canada, Finland, India, Iraq, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia and Ukraine.

    Two other EU countries vote in favour: Belgium and Ireland,

    Norway and Switzerland were also among the European nations that voted in favor.

     
    https://ejpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/UNGA_2023_CEASEFIRE.jpg
     

     

    Only 4 European nations stood with Palestinian Jews.

    Why did Germany abstain?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://ejpress.org/four-eu-countries-voted-against-a-un-general-assembly-resolution-on-the-israel-hamas-war/

    Replies: @German_reader

    Why did Germany abstain?

    Why not? Looks like the most balanced position.

    • LOL: A123
  40. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    That aside, I certainly don’t owe any explanations to anonymous Internet Nazi pieces of shit such as yourself.
     
    LOL. You're a moral and intellectual failure on every level, a sad excuse for a human being, it's not like you have the moral standing to condemn me. At least I never supported an aggressive war of conquest (including fantasies about how the war had to be waged "properly", with less concern over civilian casualties), only to flip around to cynical open borders shitlibbery, when my megalomanical fantasies turned out to be unfounded. Both those positions are already pretty warped in themselves, but flipping from one to the other within little more than a year indicates some deep-seated personality disorder. You're a hollow narcissist with no substance to your character.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m uninterested in condemnations in principle let alone condemnations of random anonymous Internet Nazis who spend inordinate amounts of time seething about the gays and trans and immigrants while fearfully looking over their shoulder at their state’s punitive organs (so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive), though I would reiterate a point I made before, allow that I am a moral and intellectual failure on every level, what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive
     
    Misinformation, I'm pretty sure I asked Ron Unz about it in one of his Open threads. You had nothing to do with it.

    what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?
     
    Total non-sequitur. From my pov you totally discredited yourself in 2022. Because you justified the war, not in a reluctant way arguing for limited objectives or whatever (which one could have at least respected to some extent), no, in an openly imperialist way..."We're going to re-build our empire and take Ukraine's human capital, whether they like it or not, the weak submit to the strong. Our secret police with its Punisher vehicles is coming for the homo activists, hahahaha!". Much more "Nazi" than anything I have ever written. And when the war started going badly for your own side, your reaction was that it needed to be escalated, that there was too much undue concern about avoiding civilian casualties which prevented taking the necessary measures. Again, much more "Nazi" than anything I have ever written.
    So you're not holding your current position because of some deep moral revelation, but merely because your original megalomaniacal fantasies failed, and because in the end your own personal comfort and advancement are the most important thing to you, and adopting shitlib positions looks like the smart move in that regard. Ok, we all have to eat, I guess in that sense one can't blame you. But that you have the gall to pretend you're somehow the moral and intellectual superior of "Internet Nazis", after everything you wrote in 2022, that's just too much. Sincere contrition and humble atonement that certainly isn't.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  41. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    I'm uninterested in condemnations in principle let alone condemnations of random anonymous Internet Nazis who spend inordinate amounts of time seething about the gays and trans and immigrants while fearfully looking over their shoulder at their state's punitive organs (so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive), though I would reiterate a point I made before, allow that I am a moral and intellectual failure on every level, what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?

    Replies: @German_reader

    so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive

    Misinformation, I’m pretty sure I asked Ron Unz about it in one of his Open threads. You had nothing to do with it.

    what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?

    Total non-sequitur. From my pov you totally discredited yourself in 2022. Because you justified the war, not in a reluctant way arguing for limited objectives or whatever (which one could have at least respected to some extent), no, in an openly imperialist way…”We’re going to re-build our empire and take Ukraine’s human capital, whether they like it or not, the weak submit to the strong. Our secret police with its Punisher vehicles is coming for the homo activists, hahahaha!”. Much more “Nazi” than anything I have ever written. And when the war started going badly for your own side, your reaction was that it needed to be escalated, that there was too much undue concern about avoiding civilian casualties which prevented taking the necessary measures. Again, much more “Nazi” than anything I have ever written.
    So you’re not holding your current position because of some deep moral revelation, but merely because your original megalomaniacal fantasies failed, and because in the end your own personal comfort and advancement are the most important thing to you, and adopting shitlib positions looks like the smart move in that regard. Ok, we all have to eat, I guess in that sense one can’t blame you. But that you have the gall to pretend you’re somehow the moral and intellectual superior of “Internet Nazis”, after everything you wrote in 2022, that’s just too much. Sincere contrition and humble atonement that certainly isn’t.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler's RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine - and yes, there's a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war - making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    I can understand antipathy to this position and me personally on account of the above, but those views and their evolution were not particularly illogical from within my stated analytical framework, and it's very funny in particular to be called a grifter, when I could have made bank cynically engaging in Z propaganda of the sort that Scott Ritter/Jackson Hinkle/Donbass Devushka/Gonzalo Lira and the rest of that gaggle of freaks do, but expressly did not and burned bridges instead. In fact I'm probably one of the very worst people at monetizing my posting hobby in existence. And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don't consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don't feel at all obliged to engage in "sincere contrition and humble atonement" before funny Internet Nazis (in fact demands for public apologies seems to be a universal feature of heavily moralistic identitarians from Kadyrov's Islamists and SJWs to Russian nationalists and the Alt Right).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

  42. @Hyperborean
    Reading Bin Laden's "Letter to America", not impressed. It's basically a bunch of religious waffle, /pol/tier chud ranting that mixes together a lot of unrelated things and insincere adoption of leftist tropes.

    Also, looking at this section, did the dumb daytrading, slutty, cannabis-smoking TikTok women even bother reading the part where he calls Westerners degenerate maggots who need Sharia law? It's like a scene from The Dictator.


    (2) The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

    (a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

    We call you to all of this that you may be freed from that which you have become caught up in; that you may be freed from the deceptive lies that you are a great nation, that your leaders spread amongst you to conceal from you the despicable state to which you have reached.

    (b) It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind:

    (i) You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator. You flee from the embarrassing question posed to you: How is it possible for Allah the Almighty to create His creation, grant them power over all the creatures and land, grant them all the amenities of life, and then deny them that which they are most in need of: knowledge of the laws which govern their lives?

    (ii) You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense; precisely what Benjamin Franklin warned you against.

    (iii) You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

    (iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

    Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?

    (v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

    (vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

    (vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.

    (viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
     

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231116112651/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gwwRw1--gfMJ:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver&hl=en&gl=us

    Replies: @silviosilver, @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    What is the chance a female tiktok person knows what sharia law means?

    What is the chance any Saudi female people are on tiktok?

  43. @John Johnson
    Looks like Russia is back to using Stalingrad tactics:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5uxbva_CXo

    Sending in 18 year olds without any training to soak up artillery.

    Hell of a nation.

    I hope they give out awards for stolen appliances when this war is over.

    COMRADE GRANOVSKY

    YOU STOLE THE MOST DISHWASHERS OF YOUR UNIT

    THE FATHERLAND IS PROUD

    Replies: @Mikhail, @RadicalCenter

    More pro-Kiev regime projection.

  44. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Your description of the economics and marketing of consumer goods in Russian big cities is revealing. How about pharmaceuticals? I remember hearing earlier that these sorts of products were in great demand and that unlike purses and dresses, Russian made products were not able to replace the higher quality pre-war drugs obtained from countries that have now chosen to sanction Russia.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The more important question is did AP’s relatives get out of the country before he posted all this actionable espionage activity on the internet? I didn’t read it that close.

    : )

    • Replies: @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    LOL, I'm careful to avoid specifics, I don't think any of these rumors are top secret nor would I post classified stuff that might get someone in trouble (nor do I have access to such)

  45. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    As a propagandist for your cause, you're a limp wristed failure. I get more from reading our resident Irish-American songbird's posts about sikh activism (admittedly, that's not much). No more sword pictures please, they've become to be so boring!

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird

    [MORE]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY4DUHyleM4&pp=ygUTa2hhcmt1IGxhbmRyYW4gd2FsZQ%3D%3D

    Literally not a propagandist & Khalsa is an army.
    You’re not trying to fight.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Bollywood and more sword (& rifle) photos. You're unable to articulate your vision, history and culture. Really sad as I know you're a literate man. Well, if that's the case, try this on for size:

    https://youtu.be/vmseEpaQ56o
    Make shawarma, not war? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  46. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Suppose the broad support of Sikhs for the tranny Trudeau must fall under case #3:


    3. Vaṇḍ Chakkō: The Sikhs were asked to share (the food, Wealth etc.) with everyone, Irrespective of caste, creed, color or sexuality by practising Vaṇḍ Chakkō—“Share and Consume together”.

     

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Conservatives oppose Turban & Kirpan.
    Don’t read too much into wikipedia

    Conservatives oppose honor killing
    Conservatives support jail for illegal guns
    (No such thing)

    ਅਕਾਲ

  47. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler's position as well, as per the rumors). It's understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_g6AHXoAA5Set.jpg

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Why are you posting this drivel to the 50 bug men of Karlinstan when you have a gazillion twitter followers?

  48. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    so much so you begged me to hide your comments archive
     
    Misinformation, I'm pretty sure I asked Ron Unz about it in one of his Open threads. You had nothing to do with it.

    what then does that make you with your tens of thousands of comments and continued participation on my now disused blog which I myself hardly ever even check in upon?
     
    Total non-sequitur. From my pov you totally discredited yourself in 2022. Because you justified the war, not in a reluctant way arguing for limited objectives or whatever (which one could have at least respected to some extent), no, in an openly imperialist way..."We're going to re-build our empire and take Ukraine's human capital, whether they like it or not, the weak submit to the strong. Our secret police with its Punisher vehicles is coming for the homo activists, hahahaha!". Much more "Nazi" than anything I have ever written. And when the war started going badly for your own side, your reaction was that it needed to be escalated, that there was too much undue concern about avoiding civilian casualties which prevented taking the necessary measures. Again, much more "Nazi" than anything I have ever written.
    So you're not holding your current position because of some deep moral revelation, but merely because your original megalomaniacal fantasies failed, and because in the end your own personal comfort and advancement are the most important thing to you, and adopting shitlib positions looks like the smart move in that regard. Ok, we all have to eat, I guess in that sense one can't blame you. But that you have the gall to pretend you're somehow the moral and intellectual superior of "Internet Nazis", after everything you wrote in 2022, that's just too much. Sincere contrition and humble atonement that certainly isn't.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    I can understand antipathy to this position and me personally on account of the above, but those views and their evolution were not particularly illogical from within my stated analytical framework, and it’s very funny in particular to be called a grifter, when I could have made bank cynically engaging in Z propaganda of the sort that Scott Ritter/Jackson Hinkle/Donbass Devushka/Gonzalo Lira and the rest of that gaggle of freaks do, but expressly did not and burned bridges instead. In fact I’m probably one of the very worst people at monetizing my posting hobby in existence. And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don’t consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don’t feel at all obliged to engage in “sincere contrition and humble atonement” before funny Internet Nazis (in fact demands for public apologies seems to be a universal feature of heavily moralistic identitarians from Kadyrov’s Islamists and SJWs to Russian nationalists and the Alt Right).

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Btw, Canada has very few restrictions on speech.
    The hate speech law excludes religious texts & applies to public calls for genocide.

    The one conviction was a guy who ranted for a decade daily on the Toronto subway.
    He got a fine..

    Khalistan's not really a rightoid movement tbh.
    More of an aristocratic one.

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don’t consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don’t feel at all obliged to engage in “sincere contrition and humble atonement” before funny Internet Nazis
     
    The point is that the "funny internet Nazis" (at least some of them) were right about the war, and you were wrong. And no, you could have known better at the time, there is no excuse. You need to repent. First step on the road to repentance is dropping your absurd arrogance, which is completely without basis given how badly your moral and intellectual faculties failed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     
    What do you think about Philippe Lemoine's argument that had Russia won in Ukraine, it would have faced a 1980s Kosovo-style situation (mass protests and civil disobedience, the occasional terrorist attack, and repression) indefinitely, which would have eventually compelled an eventual Russian retreat from Ukraine? (Philippe argues that this is a part of the reason as to why the West should NOT have provided any military aid to Ukraine during the conventional phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War, where I myself disagree with his logic.) Personally, I disagree with his argument because I don't think that the occasional terrorist attack or more than one would have convinced Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in a TL where it would have successfully conquered it. A Greater Russia could have likely been quite capable of dealing with a 2010s Israeli-style security situation along with an Iran-style sanctions situation indefinitely.

    That said, though, if nationalistic Russians would have wanted their desired economies of scale, then they could have done this in the old-fashioned way by trying to get their people to breed much more. The potential gains from this would have been much higher in the long-run as well. A Russia with an Israeli-style TFR of 3.0 and no dysgenics would have a peak population of much more than 185 million, after all. If Israeli Jews can breed a lot, why can't Russians? Especially considering that even Russian Jews experienced a massive rise in their TFR after moving to Israel.

    As a side note, even had Russia won in Ukraine, its population would have likely been back at 150 million in several decades' time or more due to below-replacement fertility rates.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  49. Sher Singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler's RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine - and yes, there's a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war - making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    I can understand antipathy to this position and me personally on account of the above, but those views and their evolution were not particularly illogical from within my stated analytical framework, and it's very funny in particular to be called a grifter, when I could have made bank cynically engaging in Z propaganda of the sort that Scott Ritter/Jackson Hinkle/Donbass Devushka/Gonzalo Lira and the rest of that gaggle of freaks do, but expressly did not and burned bridges instead. In fact I'm probably one of the very worst people at monetizing my posting hobby in existence. And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don't consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don't feel at all obliged to engage in "sincere contrition and humble atonement" before funny Internet Nazis (in fact demands for public apologies seems to be a universal feature of heavily moralistic identitarians from Kadyrov's Islamists and SJWs to Russian nationalists and the Alt Right).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    Btw, Canada has very few restrictions on speech.
    The hate speech law excludes religious texts & applies to public calls for genocide.

    The one conviction was a guy who ranted for a decade daily on the Toronto subway.
    He got a fine..

    Khalistan’s not really a rightoid movement tbh.
    More of an aristocratic one.

  50. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    The more important question is did AP's relatives get out of the country before he posted all this actionable espionage activity on the internet? I didn't read it that close.

    : )

    Replies: @AP

    LOL, I’m careful to avoid specifics, I don’t think any of these rumors are top secret nor would I post classified stuff that might get someone in trouble (nor do I have access to such)

  51. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > But they also say that there is no stomach for that now among the general population in either Ukraine or Russia – if Zelensky made a deal of that nature, the Ukrainians would hate him and consider him a traitor, and Russians would turn against Putin

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler's position as well, as per the rumors). It's understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible, though obviously that course of action becomes progressively less ethical as mobilization becomes more and more coercive.

    > I guess it would be like if the powers-that-be in America decided to invade Mexico in an incompetent way, not accomplishing much, just grabbing a strip of land at the border and sending 200,000 or so boys to die in meat waves but they are all draftees from flyover country and life goes on in New York, Washington, LA and Chicago so who cares.

    There was a funny /pol/ text to this effect.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1_g6AHXoAA5Set.jpg

    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler’s position as well, as per the rumors). It’s understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible,

    Also because there are still 100,000s of Ukrainians still living under Russian occupation in the Crimean corridor.

    It becomes a real question – at what point is it “worth” having soldiers die in order to liberate those 100,000s? A very rough estimate is that there are 500,000 there. Could be another 100,000.

    Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    FWIW, I'm not going to criticize the Ukrainian people for wanting to continue the war. However, I do have a question: Might it be prudent to resettle those Ukrainians who want to leave the Crimean Corridor and move to other parts of Ukraine if Russia will permanently keep the Crimean Corridor, possibly with Russia paying for the cost of their resettlement and also paying compensation for their lost property?

    On the other hand, though, were Ukraine to give up the Crimean Corridor in addition to Crimea and Donbass, then it would need something massive as compensation, such as NATO membership PLUS fast-tracked EU membership (at least if it can reduce its corruption to Polish or Romanian levels).

    The Crimean Corridor has a lot of nice coastline, though. So, it's understandable that Ukraine isn't being willing to give it up even without any formal recognition even apart from all of the Ukrainians who are still living there.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Theoretically maybe but we are well aware that the population at large is biomass that is easily influenced by bad memes and has a poor grasp on economic or military realities. Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles (Putin croaks; coup)? (Probably Ukrainians are somewhat more rational than this than Gazans, more than half of whom were under the bizarre delusion they could win against Israel, but I doubt they are cardinally more so).

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?

    There's also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it's the socially expected answer, in reality, the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero: https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1724408466624684494

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire. They probably have a more realistic outlook on what a long war would entail than plebs on the street and Zelensky who'd be the political fall guy for it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

  52. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler's RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine - and yes, there's a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war - making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    I can understand antipathy to this position and me personally on account of the above, but those views and their evolution were not particularly illogical from within my stated analytical framework, and it's very funny in particular to be called a grifter, when I could have made bank cynically engaging in Z propaganda of the sort that Scott Ritter/Jackson Hinkle/Donbass Devushka/Gonzalo Lira and the rest of that gaggle of freaks do, but expressly did not and burned bridges instead. In fact I'm probably one of the very worst people at monetizing my posting hobby in existence. And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don't consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don't feel at all obliged to engage in "sincere contrition and humble atonement" before funny Internet Nazis (in fact demands for public apologies seems to be a universal feature of heavily moralistic identitarians from Kadyrov's Islamists and SJWs to Russian nationalists and the Alt Right).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don’t consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don’t feel at all obliged to engage in “sincere contrition and humble atonement” before funny Internet Nazis

    The point is that the “funny internet Nazis” (at least some of them) were right about the war, and you were wrong. And no, you could have known better at the time, there is no excuse. You need to repent. First step on the road to repentance is dropping your absurd arrogance, which is completely without basis given how badly your moral and intellectual faculties failed.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    I don't think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.

    Especially in light of their presently existing Nazi views (on immigrants, LGBT folx, Western chauvinism, etc.).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  53. These Russian wives that think they can appeal to Putin are so sad. As if Putin is unaware of what is happening at the front. Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.

    Back to WW2 tactics we go. Sending in men with small arms against tanks and artillery.

    Seems like a bad idea? Well comrade running the other direction will be worse!

    Russia never changes. Sending men to the front and worst case is that they reduce the artillery stock of the enemy. Absolutely no regard for their lives or their families.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Israel's Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh. Ditto the Kiev regime and the likes of Christie and Graham.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @German_reader
    @John Johnson


    Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.
     
    Pretty stupid comparison. WW2 was a war of defense (mostly) and an existential struggle for survival. Whereas the present one is a war of choice that was avoidable.
    Do you even think before writing such comments?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  54. @A123
    @songbird

    All of the big Hollywood players are pretty bad. Ranking them is perilous, however....

    Disney has even more movie disasters in the pipeline if they do not cancel them:

    -1- The Blade reboot is supposed to have 3 strong female leads with a story about life lessons.
    -2- Young Avengers is intended to have an all female cast. Perhaps they will let one homosexual beta male on the team
    -3- Blacktain America: Brave New World is being 80% scrapped and will be heavily reshot (video below).
    -4- Snow Beige featuring Rachel Ziegler
    -5- Avengers: The Kang Dynasty featuring Jonathan Majors
    -6- The Fantastic Four reboot where Sue Storm will be the strong female team lead. Reed Richards demoted to side kick, played by the aging Pedro Pascal.

    Disney+ streaming will feature:

    -7- The LBGTQ+ Acolyte further damaging Star Wars
    -8- Agatha Harkness, apparently a spinoff from Wandavision
    -9- Ironheart, an attempt to replace Iron Man with a PoC female lead
    -10- Echo, a blind Native America amputee
    -11- Daredevil: Born Again, the first 4 episodes were so bad they have been trashed. Starting over from scratch with new directors and writers.

    The only thing that might be OK is Deadpool 3, and they will probably find someway to foul it up too.

    PEACE 😇

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKeSdl0t-eg&pp=ygUfY2FwdGFpbiBhbWVyaWNhIGJyYXZlIG5ldyB3b3JsZA%3D%3D

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Disney has even more movie disasters in the pipeline if they do not cancel them:

    You spend a lot of time thinking about a company that makes children’s movies for children and comic book movies for adults that like children’s movies.

    Here is how much time I spend thinking about a Disney movie after reading in the first few sentences that it is promoting some agenda:
    Sounds gay. I’ll pass

    I haven’t watched the newest Star Wars movies. Wasn’t able to watch more than 15 minutes of them on TV. Too gay and derivative. Star Wars fans are the worst. Kathleen Kennedy could take a dump while wearing a Wookie costume and Star Wars fans would see it in the theater.

  55. @John Johnson
    These Russian wives that think they can appeal to Putin are so sad. As if Putin is unaware of what is happening at the front. Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.

    https://youtu.be/KSI_jlDzpuY?t=45

    Back to WW2 tactics we go. Sending in men with small arms against tanks and artillery.

    Seems like a bad idea? Well comrade running the other direction will be worse!

    Russia never changes. Sending men to the front and worst case is that they reduce the artillery stock of the enemy. Absolutely no regard for their lives or their families.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @German_reader

    Israel’s Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh. Ditto the Kiev regime and the likes of Christie and Graham.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Israel’s Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh.

    Are you talking about this directive?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

    Yes it would be more humane. They're not sending in untrained soldiers to certain death.

    From that wiki page:
    There is only one case for which Israeli forces have been officially confirmed to be directly responsible for an Israeli death.

    Israeli forces are properly trained.

    Stories of Russian conscripts being sent on suicide missions will only get worse. Word is that Russia is using fewer armored vehicles and is just sending in men.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  56. German_reader says:
    @John Johnson
    These Russian wives that think they can appeal to Putin are so sad. As if Putin is unaware of what is happening at the front. Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.

    https://youtu.be/KSI_jlDzpuY?t=45

    Back to WW2 tactics we go. Sending in men with small arms against tanks and artillery.

    Seems like a bad idea? Well comrade running the other direction will be worse!

    Russia never changes. Sending men to the front and worst case is that they reduce the artillery stock of the enemy. Absolutely no regard for their lives or their families.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @German_reader

    Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.

    Pretty stupid comparison. WW2 was a war of defense (mostly) and an existential struggle for survival. Whereas the present one is a war of choice that was avoidable.
    Do you even think before writing such comments?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @German_reader


    Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.
     
    Pretty stupid comparison. WW2 was a war of defense (mostly) and an existential struggle for survival.

    That's irrelevant to the point which is that Stalin fully knew what was going on.

    It doesn't matter if you think it was justified. You are missing the point.

    I'm pointing out what is a historical disconnect between the people and a dictator with a cult of personality. The people will falsely assume the dictator has been misled by unethical authorities over a perceived injustice. There are over a dozen videos where Russian wives appeal to Putin directly over the conditions at the front. They mistakenly believe he would improve the situation if he only knew what was happening.

    It also happened with the gulags. Families of victims would write Stalin directly as if he had no idea as to what horrors were occurring. Of course he knew because he ordered them.

  57. @AP
    @Beckow


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…
     
    Well, Russia's next election is in March 2024, so Putin's hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia's desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.
     
    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren't felt in the city. My wife hasn't noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted
     
    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don't know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it
     
    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one's home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly "losers" from places that don't matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don't think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
     
    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid - or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia's economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia's last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status - it became a second tier regional power with nukes - sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia's goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine's economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn't care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
     
    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev's initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn't the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich's recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
     
    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia's fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn't work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.
     
    "Do nothing" would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant "suppression" of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities - Russia's choice - was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    "Permanent critical risk." Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Beckow, @Mikel

    It is possible that Russia’s desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side.

    They feel like pressured attacks.

    Meaning the chief executive midget is under pressure to take Avdiika for either PR or strategic reasons.

    My guess is that he wants to try and negotiate the current lines on a high note. Pretend that taking Donbas was the goal the entire time and not mention that they don’t have all of it. Just play up recent gains and raise his “Mission Accomplished” banner. But there is no reason to assume Kiev would go along with this plan.

    Or perhaps Putin is afraid of a battle in Donetsk. Would be quite demoralizing to the Russians if they lost it or even if it was turned into rubble.

    It’s all speculation at this point but the nature of the attacks suggest some type of pressure or deadline. They are sending 3-15 man teams just like they did in Bakhmut. Small suicide attack groups that get chewed up by defended positions. Well that is if they survive the artillery and drones.

    The weather is going to drop on Tuesday. Expect a bloody 48 hours as Putin seems to really want this territory. When the temp gets down to 20′ F you really need the right equipment to survive. It also makes it much harder to dig trenches. If the temp hovers around 32 it is doable but you really have to be careful at 20.

  58. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler’s position as well, as per the rumors). It’s understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible,
     
    Also because there are still 100,000s of Ukrainians still living under Russian occupation in the Crimean corridor.

    It becomes a real question - at what point is it "worth" having soldiers die in order to liberate those 100,000s? A very rough estimate is that there are 500,000 there. Could be another 100,000.

    Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    FWIW, I’m not going to criticize the Ukrainian people for wanting to continue the war. However, I do have a question: Might it be prudent to resettle those Ukrainians who want to leave the Crimean Corridor and move to other parts of Ukraine if Russia will permanently keep the Crimean Corridor, possibly with Russia paying for the cost of their resettlement and also paying compensation for their lost property?

    On the other hand, though, were Ukraine to give up the Crimean Corridor in addition to Crimea and Donbass, then it would need something massive as compensation, such as NATO membership PLUS fast-tracked EU membership (at least if it can reduce its corruption to Polish or Romanian levels).

    The Crimean Corridor has a lot of nice coastline, though. So, it’s understandable that Ukraine isn’t being willing to give it up even without any formal recognition even apart from all of the Ukrainians who are still living there.

  59. @A123
    @German_reader

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas "ceasefire" advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas "refugee destinations."

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a -- Do as I Say, Not as I Do. -- problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @LatW

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”

    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn’t mean people can be freely moved to those countries – you do not shuffle people around the world like that (it’s possible but not desirable to uproot people like that).

    It’s understandable that Israel has always had a huge problem on their hands that way, since the Palis are impossible for the Jews to integrate (with very few exceptions). And Israel had done tremendous work trying to work out some kind of a cohabitation model (there are even Arabs in the Knesset). Alas, this policy failed (or backfired). And btw I don’t know what the solution is (if long term thorough integration attempts do not work).

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call “SJW Globalist” countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    And, above all, the diaspora Jews have for years battled native Europeans by forcing them to integrate alien cultures. I would like to see those diaspora Jews openly admit that they were wrong and that their ideology has failed (if they are so eager to spread Palis around).

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask. I’m also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt’s position). We’ve heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states. Nothing against the nation of Qatar, but maybe they can help somehow (as you suggested). The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren. We helped our Ukrainian brethren without even thinking for a second.

    For example, Russia accepted the refugees from Ukraine and Donbas. Russia did use the Donbas proxies in a rather cruel way – however, Russia was generous enough to accept everyone who wanted to move to Russia.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Oh, and, btw, I'm more than convinced that those pro-Hamas demonstrators in the West would be totally ok with accepting Palis. They would expect the society to foot the bill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @A123
    @LatW



    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a — Do as I Say, Not as I Do. — problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn’t mean people can be freely moved to those countries
     
    So, countries can tell Israel they have to stop & be defenseless, while simultaneously defending themselves by keeping the terrorists out?

    How is that possibly fair?

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask.
     
    The point that G_R missed is that sending Gazans unto Christendom is *NOT* a serious proposal. It was an indirect way of pointing out the unfair double standards being deployed by certain countries.

    Presumably, he irrationally panicked because Germany is already trending towards becoming a caliphate, and he does not want that to accelerate.

    I’m also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt’s position). We’ve heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states.

     

    If Gazans are incompatible with their coreligionists, sending them to Christendom is obviously an even a worse "failure to assimilate" risk.

    The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren.
     
    As I pointed out earlier, Hamas destroyed Gaza's water supply, and that cannot be fixed. The only way to help the innocent is allowing them to VOLUNTARILY move to an area that has sufficient resources to support them. Honourable and compensated relocation has not been seriously tried. 200,000/yr for 10 years would bring the population of Gaza down to something that matches the available natural resources.

    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine. However, it cannot be an uncontrolled rush that creates new problems. The inevitable population movement needs to arrive where infrastructure can support them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call “SJW Globalist” countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.
     
    Of course they get to have a say. But for a123 it's not about that. For him it's always about what is best for jews. I'm not going to bother accusing him of being one (just like in gym culture, anyone bigger than you is "obviously" on gear, on race forums, anyone disagreeing with you is "obviously" a jew - not a good look), but it's clear that is his chief concern no matter what the issue is. (Nukes are headed to both Munich and Tel Aviv; he can only spare one, which does he choose? His answer is as automatically the latter at any true Euro-firster's answer would automatically be the former. End of discussion.)

    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who'd propound the demented thesis that "Soros is a muslim"? Or the nearly equally demented "sjw islam" thesis? (Yeah, that's the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets - they're just too damn leftist, got it.) If I were moderating this forum, I would have banned this obvious troll on day one.

    Lastly, anyone giving the fuckest of fucks about jewish or israeli wellbeing is at best at a very high risk of becoming a fucking idiot, just begging to be taken for a ride - if they're not already there. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality. These people care overwhelmingly about themselves, not about outsiders. I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn't require "hating" them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they're whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what's good for your own people.

    And lastly lastly, if some politico's opinion on a mere ceasefire is reason enough to dump muzzes on that country, then what of decades-long (domestic) jewish as well as (specifically) israeli interference in eurosphere politics? Fair's fair would require euros to be screaming to complete the shoah. Something for the troll to ponder.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

  60. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don’t consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don’t feel at all obliged to engage in “sincere contrition and humble atonement” before funny Internet Nazis
     
    The point is that the "funny internet Nazis" (at least some of them) were right about the war, and you were wrong. And no, you could have known better at the time, there is no excuse. You need to repent. First step on the road to repentance is dropping your absurd arrogance, which is completely without basis given how badly your moral and intellectual faculties failed.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.

    Especially in light of their presently existing Nazi views (on immigrants, LGBT folx, Western chauvinism, etc.).

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I don’t think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.
     
    You've written that several times now. You still need to repent. Maybe go to Ukraine and help in a hospital for crippled veterans. Ranting about "Nazis" doesn't wash away your personal guilt.
    And if you don't want to do that...didn't you claim to identify as a thing now? Shouldn't things be quiet instead of still blaring out their opinions on Twitter and other internet platforms?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Anatoly Karlin


    https://youtu.be/IWGMLy55XJw?si=3qPnQG1NRVQQoXfZ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @silviosilver

  61. @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn't mean people can be freely moved to those countries - you do not shuffle people around the world like that (it's possible but not desirable to uproot people like that).

    It's understandable that Israel has always had a huge problem on their hands that way, since the Palis are impossible for the Jews to integrate (with very few exceptions). And Israel had done tremendous work trying to work out some kind of a cohabitation model (there are even Arabs in the Knesset). Alas, this policy failed (or backfired). And btw I don't know what the solution is (if long term thorough integration attempts do not work).

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call "SJW Globalist" countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    And, above all, the diaspora Jews have for years battled native Europeans by forcing them to integrate alien cultures. I would like to see those diaspora Jews openly admit that they were wrong and that their ideology has failed (if they are so eager to spread Palis around).

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask. I'm also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt's position). We've heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states. Nothing against the nation of Qatar, but maybe they can help somehow (as you suggested). The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren. We helped our Ukrainian brethren without even thinking for a second.

    For example, Russia accepted the refugees from Ukraine and Donbas. Russia did use the Donbas proxies in a rather cruel way - however, Russia was generous enough to accept everyone who wanted to move to Russia.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @silviosilver

    Oh, and, btw, I’m more than convinced that those pro-Hamas demonstrators in the West would be totally ok with accepting Palis. They would expect the society to foot the bill.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    That is only because they don't know any actual Palestinians. This is one of those fantasies that drops dead instantly on contact with reality.

    Replies: @LatW

  62. @AP
    @Beckow


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…
     
    Well, Russia's next election is in March 2024, so Putin's hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia's desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.
     
    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren't felt in the city. My wife hasn't noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted
     
    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don't know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it
     
    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one's home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly "losers" from places that don't matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don't think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
     
    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid - or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia's economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia's last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status - it became a second tier regional power with nukes - sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia's goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine's economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn't care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
     
    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev's initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn't the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich's recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
     
    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia's fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn't work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.
     
    "Do nothing" would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant "suppression" of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities - Russia's choice - was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    "Permanent critical risk." Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Beckow, @Mikel

    “Do nothing” would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant “suppression” of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities – Russia’s choice – was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    Seems like Russia’s most moral move in February 2022 would have been to quickly annex the separatist-controlled parts of the Donbass without invading the rest of Ukraine, no? Would have prevented an eventual Ukrainian Operation Storm in the Donbass that way, after all. This outcome was not guaranteed but it remained a possibility for so long as the Donbass remained un-annexed by Russia.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Well, there would need to be concessions on Russia’s part to get the way to agree to this. What exactly would Russia have been prepared to offer in exchange? A promise to wage a 1941-style trade embargo on China in the event that China will ever attack Taiwan and also a promise to end all military cooperation with China?

    If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved.

    Are you sure that there would not have been a Russian invasion of Ukraine back in 2008 in such a scenario? Except with Ukrainians possibly being more divided about it in 2008 relative to 2014 because Ukrainians were extremely hostile towards NATO back in 2008 whereas NATO was not on the Ukrainian government’s agenda in early 2014 when Russia actually invaded Ukraine in real life.

  63. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    I don't think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.

    Especially in light of their presently existing Nazi views (on immigrants, LGBT folx, Western chauvinism, etc.).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I don’t think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.

    You’ve written that several times now. You still need to repent. Maybe go to Ukraine and help in a hospital for crippled veterans. Ranting about “Nazis” doesn’t wash away your personal guilt.
    And if you don’t want to do that…didn’t you claim to identify as a thing now? Shouldn’t things be quiet instead of still blaring out their opinions on Twitter and other internet platforms?

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    As I said, all nationalists "think" alike. However contra Russian nationalists and yourself acknowledging Russian nationalism for the ghoulish scam it is doesn't make it incumbent on me to arbitrarily adopt the ghoulish nationalisms of other countries such as Ukraine or Israel. I don't support the Ukrainian war effort, I certainly don't support Ukrainian nationalist maximalism (which is officially what Ukraine fights for), and my universal recommendation to everyone in the relevant conflict zones is to emigrate, refuse all papers, burn down the draft offices if feeling particularly bold or altruistic... and yes, smash the fash.

    50 Cent has recently started identifying as a thing, becoming a paragon of Elite Human Capital in the process. Seethe, chud.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

  64. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler's RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine - and yes, there's a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war - making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    I can understand antipathy to this position and me personally on account of the above, but those views and their evolution were not particularly illogical from within my stated analytical framework, and it's very funny in particular to be called a grifter, when I could have made bank cynically engaging in Z propaganda of the sort that Scott Ritter/Jackson Hinkle/Donbass Devushka/Gonzalo Lira and the rest of that gaggle of freaks do, but expressly did not and burned bridges instead. In fact I'm probably one of the very worst people at monetizing my posting hobby in existence. And yes, as per above, while my particular outlook on Russia and the war to have been initially incorrect and immoral, I don't consider it to have been uniquely or even exceptionally so relative to all incidental participants past and present, and certainly I don't feel at all obliged to engage in "sincere contrition and humble atonement" before funny Internet Nazis (in fact demands for public apologies seems to be a universal feature of heavily moralistic identitarians from Kadyrov's Islamists and SJWs to Russian nationalists and the Alt Right).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    What do you think about Philippe Lemoine’s argument that had Russia won in Ukraine, it would have faced a 1980s Kosovo-style situation (mass protests and civil disobedience, the occasional terrorist attack, and repression) indefinitely, which would have eventually compelled an eventual Russian retreat from Ukraine? (Philippe argues that this is a part of the reason as to why the West should NOT have provided any military aid to Ukraine during the conventional phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War, where I myself disagree with his logic.) Personally, I disagree with his argument because I don’t think that the occasional terrorist attack or more than one would have convinced Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in a TL where it would have successfully conquered it. A Greater Russia could have likely been quite capable of dealing with a 2010s Israeli-style security situation along with an Iran-style sanctions situation indefinitely.

    That said, though, if nationalistic Russians would have wanted their desired economies of scale, then they could have done this in the old-fashioned way by trying to get their people to breed much more. The potential gains from this would have been much higher in the long-run as well. A Russia with an Israeli-style TFR of 3.0 and no dysgenics would have a peak population of much more than 185 million, after all. If Israeli Jews can breed a lot, why can’t Russians? Especially considering that even Russian Jews experienced a massive rise in their TFR after moving to Israel.

    As a side note, even had Russia won in Ukraine, its population would have likely been back at 150 million in several decades’ time or more due to below-replacement fertility rates.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    A Russia with an Israeli-style TFR of 3.0 and no dysgenics would have a peak population of much more than 185 million, after all. If Israeli Jews can breed a lot, why can’t Russians?

    Russians talk about the degeneracy of the West while their women in Moscow/Petersburg go to clubs and keep up their world's highest abortion rate.

    Russia has to be #1 at something.

    As a side note, even had Russia won in Ukraine, its population would have likely been back at 150 million in several decades’ time or more due to below-replacement fertility rates.

    This is why it is an all or nothing for Russia and drawing lines at Donbas really screws up the plan.

    By adding Ukraine they not only boost the population but they also acquire the non-existing Scandanavian genes of Western Ukrainians that cannot exist and cannot help in any way with economic development as they are just random DNA markers for superficial traits and nothing more. Sorry but I have to be careful here less I offend the "race exists for Blacks but all European tribes are a social construct" crowd.

  65. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fairness the latest polls show a majority of Russians now preferring a negotiated settlement (and indeed the sustained lack of any ideological mobilization and arrests of overly enthusiastic Z enjoyooors suggests that it reflects Putler’s position as well, as per the rumors). It’s understandably much lower on the Ukrainian side because they (and Zelensky) believe a big victory is still possible,
     
    Also because there are still 100,000s of Ukrainians still living under Russian occupation in the Crimean corridor.

    It becomes a real question - at what point is it "worth" having soldiers die in order to liberate those 100,000s? A very rough estimate is that there are 500,000 there. Could be another 100,000.

    Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    > Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Theoretically maybe but we are well aware that the population at large is biomass that is easily influenced by bad memes and has a poor grasp on economic or military realities. Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles (Putin croaks; coup)? (Probably Ukrainians are somewhat more rational than this than Gazans, more than half of whom were under the bizarre delusion they could win against Israel, but I doubt they are cardinally more so).

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?

    There’s also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it’s the socially expected answer, in reality, the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero: https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1724408466624684494

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire. They probably have a more realistic outlook on what a long war would entail than plebs on the street and Zelensky who’d be the political fall guy for it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles
     
    People are pretty aware of what is happening in their own country, particularly one that is of medium size, such as Ukraine. If losses were huge the people might be less insistent on liberating their occupied lands.

    Ukraine is supposedly building a lot of drones.

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?
     
    If Ukraine had had devastating losses it would have been a mistake. Instead, it was worth trying. The situation has been clarified. Maybe such clarification sped up or unlocked the provision of ATACMS.

    There’s also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it’s the socially expected answer
     
    It's also what I hear when I talk to them. Obviously nobody is happy about the war, but they express determination to liberate their occupied lands. No one has been saying, "I wish they would make a deal and end it."

    the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero
     
    People who show up to the military offices, have some experience, and are invited in? Probably.

    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that - who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren't hiding in basements. One of my cousin's husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn't need him. He's working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn't want to go to the army.

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire.
     
    I heard the same in Russia. I have no connection with Kiev elites so I have no idea.

    We've discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A bit off-topic, but if Russia will keep Melitopol in addition to Mariupol, do you think that both of those cities would become millionniks within several decades' time?

    BTW, is this map (based on an original 1875 one) ethnographic map of Ukraine in 1875 actually accurate?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/tjyhbx/ethnographic_map_of_ukraine_belarus_and/

    https://preview.redd.it/a3ybv4o9dwo81.png?auto=webp&s=b8f0c461380e1273349fa10f1addb39db148108b

    Was the Crimean Corridor Russian-plurality back then?

    BTW, Ukraine has recently achieved a small success on the front lines:

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24338

    Replies: @AP

  66. @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn't mean people can be freely moved to those countries - you do not shuffle people around the world like that (it's possible but not desirable to uproot people like that).

    It's understandable that Israel has always had a huge problem on their hands that way, since the Palis are impossible for the Jews to integrate (with very few exceptions). And Israel had done tremendous work trying to work out some kind of a cohabitation model (there are even Arabs in the Knesset). Alas, this policy failed (or backfired). And btw I don't know what the solution is (if long term thorough integration attempts do not work).

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call "SJW Globalist" countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    And, above all, the diaspora Jews have for years battled native Europeans by forcing them to integrate alien cultures. I would like to see those diaspora Jews openly admit that they were wrong and that their ideology has failed (if they are so eager to spread Palis around).

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask. I'm also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt's position). We've heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states. Nothing against the nation of Qatar, but maybe they can help somehow (as you suggested). The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren. We helped our Ukrainian brethren without even thinking for a second.

    For example, Russia accepted the refugees from Ukraine and Donbas. Russia did use the Donbas proxies in a rather cruel way - however, Russia was generous enough to accept everyone who wanted to move to Russia.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @silviosilver

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a — Do as I Say, Not as I Do. — problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn’t mean people can be freely moved to those countries

    So, countries can tell Israel they have to stop & be defenseless, while simultaneously defending themselves by keeping the terrorists out?

    How is that possibly fair?

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask.

    The point that G_R missed is that sending Gazans unto Christendom is *NOT* a serious proposal. It was an indirect way of pointing out the unfair double standards being deployed by certain countries.

    Presumably, he irrationally panicked because Germany is already trending towards becoming a caliphate, and he does not want that to accelerate.

    I’m also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt’s position). We’ve heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states.

    If Gazans are incompatible with their coreligionists, sending them to Christendom is obviously an even a worse “failure to assimilate” risk.

    The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren.

    As I pointed out earlier, Hamas destroyed Gaza’s water supply, and that cannot be fixed. The only way to help the innocent is allowing them to VOLUNTARILY move to an area that has sufficient resources to support them. Honourable and compensated relocation has not been seriously tried. 200,000/yr for 10 years would bring the population of Gaza down to something that matches the available natural resources.

    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine. However, it cannot be an uncontrolled rush that creates new problems. The inevitable population movement needs to arrive where infrastructure can support them.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine.
     
    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Hyperborean

  67. @A123
    @German_reader

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas "ceasefire" advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas "refugee destinations."

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a -- Do as I Say, Not as I Do. -- problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW, @LatW

    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?

    Why should Ukrainians not call out pro-Putin MAGA “ceasefire” advocates?

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW

    Because both Palis and Ukies are the immoral aggressors.

    Russians and Palestinian Jews have the right to defend themselves.

    PEACE 😇

  68. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I don’t think I owe funny anonymous Internet Nazis with their strange ideas about how I am somehow obligated to them anything.
     
    You've written that several times now. You still need to repent. Maybe go to Ukraine and help in a hospital for crippled veterans. Ranting about "Nazis" doesn't wash away your personal guilt.
    And if you don't want to do that...didn't you claim to identify as a thing now? Shouldn't things be quiet instead of still blaring out their opinions on Twitter and other internet platforms?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    As I said, all nationalists “think” alike. However contra Russian nationalists and yourself acknowledging Russian nationalism for the ghoulish scam it is doesn’t make it incumbent on me to arbitrarily adopt the ghoulish nationalisms of other countries such as Ukraine or Israel. I don’t support the Ukrainian war effort, I certainly don’t support Ukrainian nationalist maximalism (which is officially what Ukraine fights for), and my universal recommendation to everyone in the relevant conflict zones is to emigrate, refuse all papers, burn down the draft offices if feeling particularly bold or altruistic… and yes, smash the fash.

    50 Cent has recently started identifying as a thing, becoming a paragon of Elite Human Capital in the process. Seethe, chud.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I said, all nationalists “think” alike.
     
    Not really. Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly. They don't glorify war or have expansionist designs against their neighbors. Don't project the failings of Great Russian chauvinism with its imperial neurosis on others.

    I don’t support the Ukrainian war effort
     
    Do you actually support anything besides your own personal narcissism?
    If you don't want to help Ukrainians (which is sad, caring for crippled veterans isn't really "aiding the Ukrainian war effort" btw), maybe help indigenous people in the Amazon. Or at least do something for endangered animals.
    But in any case, you need to repent. Your current pose is neither credible nor spiritually healthy.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Israeli Jewish nationalism, as adopted by Israel's more liberal-minded EHC, actually is worth emulating because it's the only developed country that still has above-replacement TFR by a significant margin. Such Israeli Jewish nationalism is also more compatible with a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (likely only after Hamas is removed from power in Gaza) and with keeping the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return in place. Had Russian nationalists actually tried and succeeded in boosting Russia's TFR to 3.0 without significant dysgenics rather than engaging in a predatory imperialist war of conquest, then Russian nationalism would be viewed much more favorably right now. Instead, Russian nationalism just looks desperate: "Oh, we can't breed more people, so we have to conquer unwilling people and cause a lot of suffering along the way!"

    As for Ukrainian nationalist maximalism, the people of Crimea and the Donbass are going to achieve much greater economies of scale within the EU than within Russia (500+ million people vs. 150 million people), so from a purely economies of scale perspective and ignoring things such as casualties, Ukrainian nationalist maximalism actually does make sense. BTW, you yourself don't appear to have cared all that much about casualties when you thought that Russia could still win a war of attrition against Ukraine; it's only now that you think that Russia can't do this that you denounce Ukrainians for not caring that much about casualties.

    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists' assholes while whispering "Sexy lord" in their ears lol! :D ;)

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  69. @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates?
     
    Why should Ukrainians not call out pro-Putin MAGA "ceasefire" advocates?

    Replies: @A123

    Because both Palis and Ukies are the immoral aggressors.

    Russians and Palestinian Jews have the right to defend themselves.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: silviosilver
  70. @LatW
    @LatW

    Oh, and, btw, I'm more than convinced that those pro-Hamas demonstrators in the West would be totally ok with accepting Palis. They would expect the society to foot the bill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    That is only because they don’t know any actual Palestinians. This is one of those fantasies that drops dead instantly on contact with reality.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    That is only because they don’t know any actual Palestinians. This is one of those fantasies that drops dead instantly on contact with reality.
     
    I agree, of course (this universal and well known). However, I'm worried about the possible consequences of a random approach. That story from Germany about some German being stabbed by a Pali really upset me. If the Israelis manage to talk Western politicians into dumping Palis on Europeans en masse, in the hypothetical future, some random Pali can hurt a normal White and not one of those underemployed, dirty leftards. The sheer randomness (bordering on anarcho-tyranny) is what bothers me about this. And poor Palis treated like cattle, pushed around. Even though many of them support Hamas. Which, too, is a problem (as we don't need that in Europe, or the US).

    How to reconcile basic humanness with pragmatism and foresight? A cold approach would be needed here (as our children and elderly need to come on top in our own lands). Yet a "cold hearted" leader would not be popular with everyone.

  71. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    As I said, all nationalists "think" alike. However contra Russian nationalists and yourself acknowledging Russian nationalism for the ghoulish scam it is doesn't make it incumbent on me to arbitrarily adopt the ghoulish nationalisms of other countries such as Ukraine or Israel. I don't support the Ukrainian war effort, I certainly don't support Ukrainian nationalist maximalism (which is officially what Ukraine fights for), and my universal recommendation to everyone in the relevant conflict zones is to emigrate, refuse all papers, burn down the draft offices if feeling particularly bold or altruistic... and yes, smash the fash.

    50 Cent has recently started identifying as a thing, becoming a paragon of Elite Human Capital in the process. Seethe, chud.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    As I said, all nationalists “think” alike.

    Not really. Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly. They don’t glorify war or have expansionist designs against their neighbors. Don’t project the failings of Great Russian chauvinism with its imperial neurosis on others.

    I don’t support the Ukrainian war effort

    Do you actually support anything besides your own personal narcissism?
    If you don’t want to help Ukrainians (which is sad, caring for crippled veterans isn’t really “aiding the Ukrainian war effort” btw), maybe help indigenous people in the Amazon. Or at least do something for endangered animals.
    But in any case, you need to repent. Your current pose is neither credible nor spiritually healthy.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it's universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be "socially engineering" is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @German_reader

  72. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xg3C2e3uNLE&pp=ygUVS2hhcmt1IFB1bmphYiB1dGUgUmFq

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VY4DUHyleM4&pp=ygUTa2hhcmt1IGxhbmRyYW4gd2FsZQ%3D%3D

    https://twitter.com/jassa84/status/1724023181575323892

    Literally not a propagandist & Khalsa is an army.
    You're not trying to fight.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Bollywood and more sword (& rifle) photos. You’re unable to articulate your vision, history and culture. Really sad as I know you’re a literate man. Well, if that’s the case, try this on for size:

    Make shawarma, not war? 🙂

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Why do I need to appeal to a childless pensioner?

    The apostate in that video is eating halal.

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don't insult them.

    You're going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    You're a cretin who doesn't know Bollywood's in Hindi.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

  73. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    As I said, all nationalists "think" alike. However contra Russian nationalists and yourself acknowledging Russian nationalism for the ghoulish scam it is doesn't make it incumbent on me to arbitrarily adopt the ghoulish nationalisms of other countries such as Ukraine or Israel. I don't support the Ukrainian war effort, I certainly don't support Ukrainian nationalist maximalism (which is officially what Ukraine fights for), and my universal recommendation to everyone in the relevant conflict zones is to emigrate, refuse all papers, burn down the draft offices if feeling particularly bold or altruistic... and yes, smash the fash.

    50 Cent has recently started identifying as a thing, becoming a paragon of Elite Human Capital in the process. Seethe, chud.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    Israeli Jewish nationalism, as adopted by Israel’s more liberal-minded EHC, actually is worth emulating because it’s the only developed country that still has above-replacement TFR by a significant margin. Such Israeli Jewish nationalism is also more compatible with a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (likely only after Hamas is removed from power in Gaza) and with keeping the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return in place. Had Russian nationalists actually tried and succeeded in boosting Russia’s TFR to 3.0 without significant dysgenics rather than engaging in a predatory imperialist war of conquest, then Russian nationalism would be viewed much more favorably right now. Instead, Russian nationalism just looks desperate: “Oh, we can’t breed more people, so we have to conquer unwilling people and cause a lot of suffering along the way!”

    As for Ukrainian nationalist maximalism, the people of Crimea and the Donbass are going to achieve much greater economies of scale within the EU than within Russia (500+ million people vs. 150 million people), so from a purely economies of scale perspective and ignoring things such as casualties, Ukrainian nationalist maximalism actually does make sense. BTW, you yourself don’t appear to have cared all that much about casualties when you thought that Russia could still win a war of attrition against Ukraine; it’s only now that you think that Russia can’t do this that you denounce Ukrainians for not caring that much about casualties.

    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists’ assholes while whispering “Sexy lord” in their ears lol! 😀 😉

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Mr. XYZ


    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists’ assholes while whispering “Sexy lord” in their ears lol! 😀 😉
     
    Why are you such a kink-obsessed weirdo? Or rather, why share that here?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  74. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I said, all nationalists “think” alike.
     
    Not really. Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly. They don't glorify war or have expansionist designs against their neighbors. Don't project the failings of Great Russian chauvinism with its imperial neurosis on others.

    I don’t support the Ukrainian war effort
     
    Do you actually support anything besides your own personal narcissism?
    If you don't want to help Ukrainians (which is sad, caring for crippled veterans isn't really "aiding the Ukrainian war effort" btw), maybe help indigenous people in the Amazon. Or at least do something for endangered animals.
    But in any case, you need to repent. Your current pose is neither credible nor spiritually healthy.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it’s universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be “socially engineering” is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Basic social decency and tolerance and blowjobs from all of your new tranny friends.

    Polymorphous perversity. Marxism 101 you commie bastard you.


    I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
     
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In the US, the MAGA wing of the GOP is more hawkish on Israel and Iran but less so on Ukraine. Do you still really believe that Trump will be more pro-Ukraine than Biden is if Trump wins reelection in 2024? How exactly is that supposed to be squared with Trump praising Putin right when Putin was knowingly about to invade Ukraine? (It's one thing to just praise a foreign leader and another thing to do it on the eve of a foreign invasion. How would people feel if FDR praised Hitler on the eve of the latter's invasion of Poland, for instance?)

    , @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You continually fail to realize that EHC supports minorities.

    You tar minorities as fascists and Chechens to accept LGBT, in exchange for less racism.

    You're slow in understanding subtleties. For example, POC protesting LGBT is progressive. Opposing these protests is racist.

    You continue to ignore points brought up by POC in this thread. You've neglected undergoing therapy for internalized white supremacy. You need to focus on making society more amenable to the victims of white supremacy.

    EHC only cares about space travel, in so far as it helps feed black people.

    You can help foreigners dilute Slavic blood & Russian imperialism if you're serious about opposing Putinism.

    Otherwise, you're still a rightoid in disguise and are better off admitting this.

    Racism = prejudice + power
    Minorities cannot be racist or rightoids.

    You will support Khalistan & you will like it.

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/007f966ab473d2714fc1d15330391c6de193d22c454db530ba75f22d5289a6a2_1.webp

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism
     
    You'd probably find some social study to support that view, but in Western Europe I very much doubt it, shitlibs are the most militant interventionists here, and they can be easily induced into collective hatreds.
    Even in the US and Russia (countries with a "mission", and obsessed with their great power status) the link seems far from clear to me, e.g. lots of MAGA supporters undoubtedly get off on fantasies about "glassing" cities full of brown people, but so do neoconservative supporters of mass immigration.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be “socially engineering” is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.
     
    Really bizarre that a guy who once prided himself on his "powerful takes" (which actually often were just the kind of laughably immoral, chauvinist nonsense you now claim to reject) is now so enthusiastically regurgitating Redditoid liberal pieties. I'm not convinced that this isn't just an opportunist act or some sick form of hyper-trolling. In any case, it just doesn't cut it as genuine repentance.
  75. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    As a propagandist for your cause, you're a limp wristed failure. I get more from reading our resident Irish-American songbird's posts about sikh activism (admittedly, that's not much). No more sword pictures please, they've become to be so boring!

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird

    Interestingly, Canada is actually the country with the highest national percentage of Sikhs. (i.e. higher than India.). Which country do Sikhs have more influence over?

    BTW, I once heard a Boer claim that South Africa is the country with the most Indians outside of India, which I find really puzzling. It was recently, but perhaps that was based on 1990 numbers or something?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I was trying to get Sher Singh to explain some basic information about his religion, about his cause. There's a community of them within Phoenix, and the one temple of theirs that I've seen is quite exotic and attractive, at least from the outside. I did a cursory review of their faith by reviewing information that I could find on the internet, and they looked a lot like the Baha'i faith folks, quite peaceful and good natured. Quite unlike the militant group that Singh presents to us here, ad nauseum marching with swords and guns, etc. I was just trying to reconcile the two images, and make sense of it all. You can see how that has gone for yourself.

    https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=664x10000:format=jpg/path/s7acc5c75e471a48d/image/icd3bf009c964f510/version/1523943997/image.jpg
    From other photographs of temples within Phoenix, I never see anyone carrying a sword or a rifle? Perhaps, Sher Singh actually belongs to some sort of other militant secular formation? Apparently, we'll never find out. :-(

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  76. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Israeli Jewish nationalism, as adopted by Israel's more liberal-minded EHC, actually is worth emulating because it's the only developed country that still has above-replacement TFR by a significant margin. Such Israeli Jewish nationalism is also more compatible with a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (likely only after Hamas is removed from power in Gaza) and with keeping the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return in place. Had Russian nationalists actually tried and succeeded in boosting Russia's TFR to 3.0 without significant dysgenics rather than engaging in a predatory imperialist war of conquest, then Russian nationalism would be viewed much more favorably right now. Instead, Russian nationalism just looks desperate: "Oh, we can't breed more people, so we have to conquer unwilling people and cause a lot of suffering along the way!"

    As for Ukrainian nationalist maximalism, the people of Crimea and the Donbass are going to achieve much greater economies of scale within the EU than within Russia (500+ million people vs. 150 million people), so from a purely economies of scale perspective and ignoring things such as casualties, Ukrainian nationalist maximalism actually does make sense. BTW, you yourself don't appear to have cared all that much about casualties when you thought that Russia could still win a war of attrition against Ukraine; it's only now that you think that Russia can't do this that you denounce Ukrainians for not caring that much about casualties.

    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists' assholes while whispering "Sexy lord" in their ears lol! :D ;)

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists’ assholes while whispering “Sexy lord” in their ears lol! 😀 😉

    Why are you such a kink-obsessed weirdo? Or rather, why share that here?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Hyperborean

    For the sake of humor lol!

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  77. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it's universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be "socially engineering" is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    Basic social decency and tolerance and blowjobs from all of your new tranny friends.

    Polymorphous perversity. Marxism 101 you commie bastard you.

    I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

  78. @Hyperborean
    @Mr. XYZ


    Ultimately, the future of Russian nationalism is going to be creating a lot of sexy and super-smart Ukrainian female androids powered by AI who are going to be quite literally licking Russian nationalists’ assholes while whispering “Sexy lord” in their ears lol! 😀 😉
     
    Why are you such a kink-obsessed weirdo? Or rather, why share that here?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    For the sake of humor lol!

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Mr. XYZ


    For the sake of humor lol!
     
    It's not funny, it's just... weird.

    Also, you keep mentioning how countries should just "breed more" as a national policy without even considering how unrealistic that is. Do you think other countries haven't tried that? Ceausescu-era Romania, Iran, North Korea, contemporary China. You can achieve certain gains but you can't brute force an arbitrary high number. Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It's part of a general global fall in the TFR.

    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

  79. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it's universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be "socially engineering" is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    In the US, the MAGA wing of the GOP is more hawkish on Israel and Iran but less so on Ukraine. Do you still really believe that Trump will be more pro-Ukraine than Biden is if Trump wins reelection in 2024? How exactly is that supposed to be squared with Trump praising Putin right when Putin was knowingly about to invade Ukraine? (It’s one thing to just praise a foreign leader and another thing to do it on the eve of a foreign invasion. How would people feel if FDR praised Hitler on the eve of the latter’s invasion of Poland, for instance?)

  80. @Mr. XYZ
    @Hyperborean

    For the sake of humor lol!

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    For the sake of humor lol!

    It’s not funny, it’s just… weird.

    Also, you keep mentioning how countries should just “breed more” as a national policy without even considering how unrealistic that is. Do you think other countries haven’t tried that? Ceausescu-era Romania, Iran, North Korea, contemporary China. You can achieve certain gains but you can’t brute force an arbitrary high number. Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It’s part of a general global fall in the TFR.

    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Hyperborean


    It’s not funny, it’s just… weird.
     
    XYZ clearly is "on the spectrum" and has trouble with socially acceptable behavior.
    I guess it doesn't matter now, this comments section has gone to shit anyway. But I still resent him for spamming this sort of garbage. He's been told multiple times that no one else here finds it funny, yet he keeps doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Hyperborean


    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

     

    Certainly, but the impression that I get is that a lot of childfree people don't want to raise children, not merely not to gestate them. Else, they'd be eagerly adopting children while refusing to have their own biological children, and such an arrangement does sound great for blank slatists who are interested in this since they won't have super-low expectations of their adopted children. (Super-low expectations could discourage adoption in the first place.)

    Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It’s part of a general global fall in the TFR.
     
    In Israel, Haredi fertility has been pretty stable:

    https://familyinequality.files.wordpress.com/2023/01/image-12.png

    Is it too difficult for Russia to find its own version of the Haredim (ideally not dysgenic) and aggressively subsidize them for, say, 100 years? Since Russian EHC will control Russia's culture, it could win over some ideological converts to its cause from this group during this century. For Israel, it doesn't work too well with the Haredim but it apparently does work much better for the less intense religious types (such as those who support Bezalel Smotrich), a lot of those descendants apparently become secular and thus boost Israel's secular Jewish population.

  81. @German_reader
    @John Johnson


    Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.
     
    Pretty stupid comparison. WW2 was a war of defense (mostly) and an existential struggle for survival. Whereas the present one is a war of choice that was avoidable.
    Do you even think before writing such comments?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Wives of soldiers during WW2 did the same thing. They would write Stalin as if the brass was keeping him in the dark.

    Pretty stupid comparison. WW2 was a war of defense (mostly) and an existential struggle for survival.

    That’s irrelevant to the point which is that Stalin fully knew what was going on.

    It doesn’t matter if you think it was justified. You are missing the point.

    I’m pointing out what is a historical disconnect between the people and a dictator with a cult of personality. The people will falsely assume the dictator has been misled by unethical authorities over a perceived injustice. There are over a dozen videos where Russian wives appeal to Putin directly over the conditions at the front. They mistakenly believe he would improve the situation if he only knew what was happening.

    It also happened with the gulags. Families of victims would write Stalin directly as if he had no idea as to what horrors were occurring. Of course he knew because he ordered them.

  82. Sher Singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Bollywood and more sword (& rifle) photos. You're unable to articulate your vision, history and culture. Really sad as I know you're a literate man. Well, if that's the case, try this on for size:

    https://youtu.be/vmseEpaQ56o
    Make shawarma, not war? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Why do I need to appeal to a childless pensioner?

    The apostate in that video is eating halal.

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don’t insult them.

    You’re going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    You’re a cretin who doesn’t know Bollywood’s in Hindi.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don’t insult them.

    Are taxi cabs even more sacred?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    I'm not a pensioner yet, and participate in financial support of several displaced Ukrainian children within our communities.

    You’re going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    I never suggested that you eat anything at all. The clip that I posted was titled:


    Canadian Sikh Shawarma Khanay Islamabad Pohanch Gya, Phalasteeni larkay Canadian Sikh ke Fan Niklay
     
    You can make shawarma from many types of meat. As far as weapons are concerned, you could try explaining why they're considered "Saints" in your religion? I'm genuinely interested in these topics and if I've somehow managed to disrespected you or your religion, my deepest apologies. Do your religious convictions include bearing a big chip on your shoulder too?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  83. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Israel's Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh. Ditto the Kiev regime and the likes of Christie and Graham.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Israel’s Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh.

    Are you talking about this directive?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

    Yes it would be more humane. They’re not sending in untrained soldiers to certain death.

    From that wiki page:
    There is only one case for which Israeli forces have been officially confirmed to be directly responsible for an Israeli death.

    Israeli forces are properly trained.

    Stories of Russian conscripts being sent on suicide missions will only get worse. Word is that Russia is using fewer armored vehicles and is just sending in men.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson


    Yes it would be more humane. They’re not sending in untrained soldiers to certain death.
     
    You know that for a fact. Details which don't give good overview on Israeli military ethics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0gECjlpXF8

    The Kiev regime is the side sending poorly trained young and old to near certain deaths. But you go ahead and continue to get things upside down.
  84. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     
    What do you think about Philippe Lemoine's argument that had Russia won in Ukraine, it would have faced a 1980s Kosovo-style situation (mass protests and civil disobedience, the occasional terrorist attack, and repression) indefinitely, which would have eventually compelled an eventual Russian retreat from Ukraine? (Philippe argues that this is a part of the reason as to why the West should NOT have provided any military aid to Ukraine during the conventional phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War, where I myself disagree with his logic.) Personally, I disagree with his argument because I don't think that the occasional terrorist attack or more than one would have convinced Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in a TL where it would have successfully conquered it. A Greater Russia could have likely been quite capable of dealing with a 2010s Israeli-style security situation along with an Iran-style sanctions situation indefinitely.

    That said, though, if nationalistic Russians would have wanted their desired economies of scale, then they could have done this in the old-fashioned way by trying to get their people to breed much more. The potential gains from this would have been much higher in the long-run as well. A Russia with an Israeli-style TFR of 3.0 and no dysgenics would have a peak population of much more than 185 million, after all. If Israeli Jews can breed a lot, why can't Russians? Especially considering that even Russian Jews experienced a massive rise in their TFR after moving to Israel.

    As a side note, even had Russia won in Ukraine, its population would have likely been back at 150 million in several decades' time or more due to below-replacement fertility rates.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    A Russia with an Israeli-style TFR of 3.0 and no dysgenics would have a peak population of much more than 185 million, after all. If Israeli Jews can breed a lot, why can’t Russians?

    Russians talk about the degeneracy of the West while their women in Moscow/Petersburg go to clubs and keep up their world’s highest abortion rate.

    Russia has to be #1 at something.

    As a side note, even had Russia won in Ukraine, its population would have likely been back at 150 million in several decades’ time or more due to below-replacement fertility rates.

    This is why it is an all or nothing for Russia and drawing lines at Donbas really screws up the plan.

    By adding Ukraine they not only boost the population but they also acquire the non-existing Scandanavian genes of Western Ukrainians that cannot exist and cannot help in any way with economic development as they are just random DNA markers for superficial traits and nothing more. Sorry but I have to be careful here less I offend the “race exists for Blacks but all European tribes are a social construct” crowd.

  85. Sher Singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it's universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be "socially engineering" is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    You continually fail to realize that EHC supports minorities.

    You tar minorities as fascists and Chechens to accept LGBT, in exchange for less racism.

    You’re slow in understanding subtleties. For example, POC protesting LGBT is progressive. Opposing these protests is racist.

    You continue to ignore points brought up by POC in this thread. You’ve neglected undergoing therapy for internalized white supremacy. You need to focus on making society more amenable to the victims of white supremacy.

    EHC only cares about space travel, in so far as it helps feed black people.

    You can help foreigners dilute Slavic blood & Russian imperialism if you’re serious about opposing Putinism.

    Otherwise, you’re still a rightoid in disguise and are better off admitting this.

    Racism = prejudice + power
    Minorities cannot be racist or rightoids.

    You will support Khalistan & you will like it.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Sher Singh

    I don't know it was pretty surprising to see this thread, there were positive indicators. If you saw the analogy about Mexico he posted, it is indirectly criticizing the invasion of Ukraine. He even talked about 50 Cent.

    Replies: @LatW

  86. EHC supports Ukraine & Palestine.
    Here you are criticizing both.

    Sadly, Karlin I have to say you’re not part of the club.

  87. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    > Most nationalists in the West just want to be left alone and not be subjected to crazy social engineering schemes that are likely to end badly.

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism and it's universal.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be "socially engineering" is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @German_reader

    Wrong and cope. Right-wing and especially nationalist views are consistently associated with greater militarism and foreign interventionism

    You’d probably find some social study to support that view, but in Western Europe I very much doubt it, shitlibs are the most militant interventionists here, and they can be easily induced into collective hatreds.
    Even in the US and Russia (countries with a “mission”, and obsessed with their great power status) the link seems far from clear to me, e.g. lots of MAGA supporters undoubtedly get off on fantasies about “glassing” cities full of brown people, but so do neoconservative supporters of mass immigration.

    This is also not going into the fact that what right-wingers consider to be “socially engineering” is almost inevitably just basic social decency and tolerance.

    Really bizarre that a guy who once prided himself on his “powerful takes” (which actually often were just the kind of laughably immoral, chauvinist nonsense you now claim to reject) is now so enthusiastically regurgitating Redditoid liberal pieties. I’m not convinced that this isn’t just an opportunist act or some sick form of hyper-trolling. In any case, it just doesn’t cut it as genuine repentance.

    • Agree: silviosilver
  88. @AP
    @Beckow


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…
     
    Well, Russia's next election is in March 2024, so Putin's hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia's desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.
     
    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren't felt in the city. My wife hasn't noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted
     
    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don't know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it
     
    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one's home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly "losers" from places that don't matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don't think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
     
    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid - or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia's economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia's last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status - it became a second tier regional power with nukes - sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia's goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine's economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn't care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
     
    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev's initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn't the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich's recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
     
    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia's fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn't work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.
     
    "Do nothing" would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant "suppression" of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities - Russia's choice - was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    "Permanent critical risk." Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Beckow, @Mikel

    They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?)

    They’ve had those the whole time since 1991 and secondary schools as well. Russian, Polish and some others. Ukrainian, too, I think. They’re currently still in place, but we’ll be moving towards one language from now on (the war didn’t help the Russian world), the children (and the parents) are very cooperative, the children will be taken care of (and will retain their mother language, but will be mostly bilingual). Their living standards will also be raised, with new infrastructure, etc.

  89. German_reader says:
    @Hyperborean
    @Mr. XYZ


    For the sake of humor lol!
     
    It's not funny, it's just... weird.

    Also, you keep mentioning how countries should just "breed more" as a national policy without even considering how unrealistic that is. Do you think other countries haven't tried that? Ceausescu-era Romania, Iran, North Korea, contemporary China. You can achieve certain gains but you can't brute force an arbitrary high number. Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It's part of a general global fall in the TFR.

    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s not funny, it’s just… weird.

    XYZ clearly is “on the spectrum” and has trouble with socially acceptable behavior.
    I guess it doesn’t matter now, this comments section has gone to shit anyway. But I still resent him for spamming this sort of garbage. He’s been told multiple times that no one else here finds it funny, yet he keeps doing it.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    This specific comment was made in response to Anatoly Karlin, and for his attention (as well as for the attention of people who still remain Russian nationalists).

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  91. @A123
    @LatW



    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”

    SJW Globalist countries, unsurprisingly, have a — Do as I Say, Not as I Do. — problem. If they do not want to accept Hamas in their country, they badly need to STFU while Palestinian Jews deal with terrorist organizations in Gaza.
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn’t mean people can be freely moved to those countries
     
    So, countries can tell Israel they have to stop & be defenseless, while simultaneously defending themselves by keeping the terrorists out?

    How is that possibly fair?

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask.
     
    The point that G_R missed is that sending Gazans unto Christendom is *NOT* a serious proposal. It was an indirect way of pointing out the unfair double standards being deployed by certain countries.

    Presumably, he irrationally panicked because Germany is already trending towards becoming a caliphate, and he does not want that to accelerate.

    I’m also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt’s position). We’ve heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states.

     

    If Gazans are incompatible with their coreligionists, sending them to Christendom is obviously an even a worse "failure to assimilate" risk.

    The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren.
     
    As I pointed out earlier, Hamas destroyed Gaza's water supply, and that cannot be fixed. The only way to help the innocent is allowing them to VOLUNTARILY move to an area that has sufficient resources to support them. Honourable and compensated relocation has not been seriously tried. 200,000/yr for 10 years would bring the population of Gaza down to something that matches the available natural resources.

    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine. However, it cannot be an uncontrolled rush that creates new problems. The inevitable population movement needs to arrive where infrastructure can support them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine.

    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they're arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they're saying someone else should take them as immigrants for "humanitarian reasons".
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Hyperborean
    @LatW


    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).
     
    Palestinian refugees have historically stirred up trouble in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait. None of the neighbouring states want radicalised and sullen troublemakers in their country who may decide to assassinate them or carry out a reenactment of Black September.

    Replies: @LatW

  92. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    That is only because they don't know any actual Palestinians. This is one of those fantasies that drops dead instantly on contact with reality.

    Replies: @LatW

    That is only because they don’t know any actual Palestinians. This is one of those fantasies that drops dead instantly on contact with reality.

    I agree, of course (this universal and well known). However, I’m worried about the possible consequences of a random approach. That story from Germany about some German being stabbed by a Pali really upset me. If the Israelis manage to talk Western politicians into dumping Palis on Europeans en masse, in the hypothetical future, some random Pali can hurt a normal White and not one of those underemployed, dirty leftards. The sheer randomness (bordering on anarcho-tyranny) is what bothers me about this. And poor Palis treated like cattle, pushed around. Even though many of them support Hamas. Which, too, is a problem (as we don’t need that in Europe, or the US).

    How to reconcile basic humanness with pragmatism and foresight? A cold approach would be needed here (as our children and elderly need to come on top in our own lands). Yet a “cold hearted” leader would not be popular with everyone.

  93. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Why do I need to appeal to a childless pensioner?

    The apostate in that video is eating halal.

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don't insult them.

    You're going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    You're a cretin who doesn't know Bollywood's in Hindi.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don’t insult them.

    Are taxi cabs even more sacred?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @John Johnson

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363116454313984/1175155757797359648/IMG_6022.png

  94. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @A123


    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine.
     
    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Hyperborean

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they’re arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they’re saying someone else should take them as immigrants for “humanitarian reasons”.
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    The Hamas shout "From the River to the Sea" is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?

    Islam made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. Then they made it worse by unilaterally destroying the Gaza aquifer. No reason at all to bail them out.

    The Israeli position is 100% consistent. Jewish children should not have to fear Jihad, therefore Iranian Hamas terrorists *must* go. Alas, Hamas uses Muslim civilians as human shields. Palestinian Jews do what they can, but Jihadist degeneracy causes Muslim deaths. Hamas incompetence misfiring rockets onto their own people is another source of casualties in Gaza.

    Again you are going through histrionic mental contortions for no reason. There is *no plan* to resettle Pali terrorists in Christendom. The political statements are intended to call out immoral SJW governments for applying abusive double standards.

    You would do well to be a bit more constructive, rather than hysterically emotional.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @LatW
    @German_reader

    Your point has validity, of course. However, the attack on Israelis was quite savage (they are in great shock and this will scar them permanently) - those who organized this attack need to take some responsibility, too.

    It is also annoying how many Muslims lecture to Euros and claim moral superiority (and even some kind of a civilizational purity), when they themselves are brutish, cruel and cold towards their own co-religionists.

    They have a very light attitude towards the death of a person ("she is going to her Allah now", they say to the Jewish parents whose daughter they have shot in front of their eyes, in their home, in front of young children). If they have the moral upper hand, are we supposed to say the same about all of the Palis killed? Do as I say not as I do, once again?

    There are forces now in each region that want to reorganize their neighborhoods and these more vulnerable pockets suffer the most. The whole post-1945 order is collapsing and Israel was founded in 1948, so their position is being compromised now, even if they may have thought they could cruise through based on the set up that was the result of their former wars (and it was always a struggle from the get-go), with the Yalta order collapsing, these things are being revisited now and there is more pressure on Israel - so Israel is being aggressive because they view this as self-defense, similar to how Russia views its war in Ukraine as self-defense.

    In a more chaotic state of affairs, it is difficult to control such large actors (as they will not abide by the international law but will do what they feel needs to be done to secure what they feel are their basic interests). It is also an opportunity for some actors to improve their position (at the expense of others). But the legal and security problem is that we don't know how this can be controlled in a civilized manner.

    I don't see what leverage there is to control Israel (other than some kind of an embargo on their goods, which the West will not agree to).

    But I also believe that the Europeans need to put their foot down and insist that the world has changed too much and we are receiving too many migrants that are causing internal instability - that the world has now changed and we will need to change our approach (from the ever-benevolent suckers to something more stern and pragmatic - and self-preserving).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @German_reader


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_OGWpJWQAAFSas.jpg

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing?
     
    For the same reason that Russia wanted more human capital by invading Ukraine? Having more people makes it easier for countries to do great things or at least to put their names on the map. If you're saying that this won't matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest, and yet Russia still went for it.

    Replies: @Beckow

  95. @German_reader
    @LatW

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they're arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they're saying someone else should take them as immigrants for "humanitarian reasons".
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Mr. XYZ

    The Hamas shout “From the River to the Sea” is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?

    Islam made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. Then they made it worse by unilaterally destroying the Gaza aquifer. No reason at all to bail them out.

    The Israeli position is 100% consistent. Jewish children should not have to fear Jihad, therefore Iranian Hamas terrorists *must* go. Alas, Hamas uses Muslim civilians as human shields. Palestinian Jews do what they can, but Jihadist degeneracy causes Muslim deaths. Hamas incompetence misfiring rockets onto their own people is another source of casualties in Gaza.

    Again you are going through histrionic mental contortions for no reason. There is *no plan* to resettle Pali terrorists in Christendom. The political statements are intended to call out immoral SJW governments for applying abusive double standards.

    You would do well to be a bit more constructive, rather than hysterically emotional.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    The Hamas shout “From the River to the Sea” is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?
     
    Obviously Hamas is a malevolent organization, and I don't support "from the river to the sea" as a goal either. But you do, because your position is that Israel should own all that land and somehow remove the Palestinians still living there. Now one can argue that it would have been better (or at least made for a more stable situation) if that had actually happened in 1948, but today it's not possible without massive upheaval (it would also be a serious injustice in any case). It's also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for, and supporting such an ethnic cleansing operation would cause serious blowback against US interests in the world. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    Replies: @A123

  96. @German_reader
    @LatW

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they're arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they're saying someone else should take them as immigrants for "humanitarian reasons".
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Mr. XYZ

    Your point has validity, of course. However, the attack on Israelis was quite savage (they are in great shock and this will scar them permanently) – those who organized this attack need to take some responsibility, too.

    It is also annoying how many Muslims lecture to Euros and claim moral superiority (and even some kind of a civilizational purity), when they themselves are brutish, cruel and cold towards their own co-religionists.

    They have a very light attitude towards the death of a person (“she is going to her Allah now”, they say to the Jewish parents whose daughter they have shot in front of their eyes, in their home, in front of young children). If they have the moral upper hand, are we supposed to say the same about all of the Palis killed? Do as I say not as I do, once again?

    There are forces now in each region that want to reorganize their neighborhoods and these more vulnerable pockets suffer the most. The whole post-1945 order is collapsing and Israel was founded in 1948, so their position is being compromised now, even if they may have thought they could cruise through based on the set up that was the result of their former wars (and it was always a struggle from the get-go), with the Yalta order collapsing, these things are being revisited now and there is more pressure on Israel – so Israel is being aggressive because they view this as self-defense, similar to how Russia views its war in Ukraine as self-defense.

    In a more chaotic state of affairs, it is difficult to control such large actors (as they will not abide by the international law but will do what they feel needs to be done to secure what they feel are their basic interests). It is also an opportunity for some actors to improve their position (at the expense of others). But the legal and security problem is that we don’t know how this can be controlled in a civilized manner.

    I don’t see what leverage there is to control Israel (other than some kind of an embargo on their goods, which the West will not agree to).

    But I also believe that the Europeans need to put their foot down and insist that the world has changed too much and we are receiving too many migrants that are causing internal instability – that the world has now changed and we will need to change our approach (from the ever-benevolent suckers to something more stern and pragmatic – and self-preserving).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid, is division of the countries to rival blocs, like a new Cold War. These blocs are not completely voluntary or based in public opinion.

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN. While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn't want to damage the relation with Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8xnoA8W0w.

    But, from autumn 2022 Iran becomes one of the main suppliers of weapons for Russia. So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it's only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America's bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.

    https://i.imgur.com/SdBgxqx.jpg

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be now involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine's conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc. For example, Sweden's weapons will fight against Iran's weapons, in Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

  97. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @German_reader

    The Hamas shout "From the River to the Sea" is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?

    Islam made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. Then they made it worse by unilaterally destroying the Gaza aquifer. No reason at all to bail them out.

    The Israeli position is 100% consistent. Jewish children should not have to fear Jihad, therefore Iranian Hamas terrorists *must* go. Alas, Hamas uses Muslim civilians as human shields. Palestinian Jews do what they can, but Jihadist degeneracy causes Muslim deaths. Hamas incompetence misfiring rockets onto their own people is another source of casualties in Gaza.

    Again you are going through histrionic mental contortions for no reason. There is *no plan* to resettle Pali terrorists in Christendom. The political statements are intended to call out immoral SJW governments for applying abusive double standards.

    You would do well to be a bit more constructive, rather than hysterically emotional.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    The Hamas shout “From the River to the Sea” is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?

    Obviously Hamas is a malevolent organization, and I don’t support “from the river to the sea” as a goal either. But you do, because your position is that Israel should own all that land and somehow remove the Palestinians still living there. Now one can argue that it would have been better (or at least made for a more stable situation) if that had actually happened in 1948, but today it’s not possible without massive upheaval (it would also be a serious injustice in any case). It’s also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for, and supporting such an ethnic cleansing operation would cause serious blowback against US interests in the world. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    somehow remove the Palestinians still living there
     
    You seem to be incapable of grasping my actual position.

    How is offering a VOLUNTARY exit "somehow removing"? You are torturing the English language to imply an unwarranted leap.

    Islam unilaterally destroyed the fresh water aquifer. How is recognizing that Jihad created a problem for Muslims, the responsibility of indigenous Palestinian Jews?

    • How is a population causing itself to leave, due to resource destruction, "ethnic cleansing"?
    • Are you really going to argue "ethnic self cleansing" is a thing?

    it’s not possible without massive upheaval
     
    The only way to avoid the upheaval is for Islam to supply fresh water for 2.5MM+ Muslims in Gaza. How will the Muslim world do that? If it does not, the massive upheaval is inevitable.

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza's population would match its natural resources.

    If you are incapable of accepting that option -- What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage? It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    It’s also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for

     

    I agree that liberal SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values are a problem. The weakness of Europe's puppet in the White House is a serious problem. Fortunately, Trump's 2nd term will begin stepping away from anti-American liberal values.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength. This would obviously be in the interest of everyday Americans. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  98. @LatW
    @A123


    It is obvious that this needs to be on Muslim lands. This could be set-up as integration into existing countries or a New Muslim Palestine away from Jewish Palestine.
     
    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Hyperborean

    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).

    Palestinian refugees have historically stirred up trouble in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait. None of the neighbouring states want radicalised and sullen troublemakers in their country who may decide to assassinate them or carry out a reenactment of Black September.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Hyperborean


    Palestinian refugees have historically stirred up trouble in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait.
     
    Right, I already alluded to that. Also, apparently many Muslim states expelled all the Jews long ago.

    The Jews have forced Europeans to baby hostile foreigners. And Muslims have lorded it over the Europeans calling them weak (for being humane).

    Hypothetically, they would behave well in a host country which is large and powerful and also simultaneously offers a quick route to improving one's life. And where the dominant culture is not Muslim. But they would still suffer from the loss of a homeland (I'm not advocating for any of this and have no answers for what would work).

    As Europeans, if we were callous enough, we should use this situation to our advantage to take both parties down a notch (both the over privileged internationalist Jews and the insolent Islamists who advocate for swamping Europe).

  99. @A123
    @sudden death


    Looks like policy recommendations from previously leaked draft were adopted internally as governmental policy of Israel, also preparatory implementation stage has begun to realise, but so far list of countries is not being publicly named?;)

    finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, says the “voluntary migration” of Palestinians in Gaza is the “right humanitarian solution” for the besieged enclave and for the region
    ...
    “A cell with a small area like the Gaza Strip without natural resources and independent sources of livelihood has no chance to exist independently, economically and politically in such a high density for a long time.
     


     
    You are taking an extremely wild leap that a Finance Minister has the authority to announce government policy outside of his portfolio;). A more rational interpretation is that he is sharing his personal preference. That being said, his logic is sound.

    Hamas destroyed Gaza's fresh water supply. There is no way to fix the aquifer. Desalinization is energy intensive and far too expensive. If you insist on the population staying in Gaza, what do you propose as a solution for fresh water availability?

    There is no reason for Christendom to accept any more unassimilable migrants. Though, some of the crazier countries (e.g. Canada) might volunteer.

    Jihad unilaterally created this problem for Muslims. The need is for a Right of Religious Return. This would allow Islamists to leave Gaza, returning home to their proper Muslim lands in Arabia and Persia. Qatar is rich & Hamas HQ, perhaps followers of Hamas can relocate there;)

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @meena

    AIPAC!” was the forceful one-word answer of Congressman Michael Capuano when we asked him, “Why was the Iran clause forbidding war on Iran without Congressional approval taken out of the recent supplemental for the Iraq war funding?”

    Later that day, Dennis Kucinich made an appearance at Harvard, where he was asked the same question, the reason for removing the Iran provision. “AIPAC,” I volunteered out loud. Kucinich looked my way and said, “Exactly.”

    At the recent AIPAC conference in Washington, the delegates from Boston/New England were the most hawkish toward Iran. Just before the last election a notorious ad in the Boston Globe, cheering on the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, was engineered by the Jewish Community Relations Council, an arm of AIPAC here.” John V. Walsh
    April 17,2007 in counterpunch

    Iran is still the target . Gazans are sacrifical lambs towards Eretz Israel.
    For some -the atrocities took place in a vacuum .Its not. UN Sec Genral hammered the nail on its head when he condemned past and enduring atrocious behaviors of Isarel.
    Jihad is a normal response to Israel’s Nazi like plan of expulsion now being aired by Israeli zealots.and Israeli think tanks .

  100. @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don’t insult them.

    Are taxi cabs even more sacred?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  101. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Theoretically maybe but we are well aware that the population at large is biomass that is easily influenced by bad memes and has a poor grasp on economic or military realities. Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles (Putin croaks; coup)? (Probably Ukrainians are somewhat more rational than this than Gazans, more than half of whom were under the bizarre delusion they could win against Israel, but I doubt they are cardinally more so).

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?

    There's also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it's the socially expected answer, in reality, the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero: https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1724408466624684494

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire. They probably have a more realistic outlook on what a long war would entail than plebs on the street and Zelensky who'd be the political fall guy for it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles

    People are pretty aware of what is happening in their own country, particularly one that is of medium size, such as Ukraine. If losses were huge the people might be less insistent on liberating their occupied lands.

    Ukraine is supposedly building a lot of drones.

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?

    If Ukraine had had devastating losses it would have been a mistake. Instead, it was worth trying. The situation has been clarified. Maybe such clarification sped up or unlocked the provision of ATACMS.

    There’s also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it’s the socially expected answer

    It’s also what I hear when I talk to them. Obviously nobody is happy about the war, but they express determination to liberate their occupied lands. No one has been saying, “I wish they would make a deal and end it.”

    the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero

    People who show up to the military offices, have some experience, and are invited in? Probably.

    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that – who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren’t hiding in basements. One of my cousin’s husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn’t need him. He’s working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn’t want to go to the army.

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire.

    I heard the same in Russia. I have no connection with Kiev elites so I have no idea.

    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that – who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren’t hiding in basements. One of my cousin’s husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn’t need him. He’s working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn’t want to go to the army.
     
    Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).
     
    A future MAGA-style US President can try shutting down any US military bases in Ukraine in an attempt to improve US relations with Russia, no? Vivek would certainly do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Cesar
    @AP


    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

     

    This seems like a common-sense solution, to the extent that there is one, but how do you see Putin accepting this? Surely he will not accept Ukraine into NATO or retreat from Southern Ukraine if he is not defeated militarily first? He needs something to show for victory, perhaps he would accept all of the Ukrainian territory he controls in exchange for peace, but that is a lot for the Ukrainians to give up, especially without NATO in exchange for it. Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO, but how would Putin be convinced to accept Ukraine into NATO? NATO and Donbas were the two public justifications for the war in Russia. It seems like a difficult situation for Ukrainians, because no matter how tragic this war has been for them, they are just going to have to carry on. If Ukraine does not have protection after the war, the country will have little foreign investment, and suffer from even more emigration, due to young Ukrainians coming to the conclusion that they are better off in NATO Europe, where there is prosperity and security and they are desirable migrants.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  102. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Why do I need to appeal to a childless pensioner?

    The apostate in that video is eating halal.

    Weapons are Saints in our religion.
    Don't insult them.

    You're going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    You're a cretin who doesn't know Bollywood's in Hindi.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    I’m not a pensioner yet, and participate in financial support of several displaced Ukrainian children within our communities.

    You’re going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    I never suggested that you eat anything at all. The clip that I posted was titled:

    Canadian Sikh Shawarma Khanay Islamabad Pohanch Gya, Phalasteeni larkay Canadian Sikh ke Fan Niklay

    You can make shawarma from many types of meat. As far as weapons are concerned, you could try explaining why they’re considered “Saints” in your religion? I’m genuinely interested in these topics and if I’ve somehow managed to disrespected you or your religion, my deepest apologies. Do your religious convictions include bearing a big chip on your shoulder too?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    As far as weapons are concerned, you could try explaining why they’re considered “Saints” in your religion?
     
    Not really interested.
    No hard feelings.

    You live in Arizona?
    Do you concealed carry?

    You live in a country where after the freedom to recite the name of the Lord; the right to bear arms is the most cherished.

    These things are self evident to every American.


    https://twitter.com/Inkquisitive/status/1725924306855616901

    https://twitter.com/SarblohMindset/status/1725915873318261174

    ਸ਼੍ਰੀਅਕਾਲਸਹਾਇ
  103. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As you presumably gathered I now hate the regime and want to see it overthrown and replaced by a shitlib LGBT merchant republic as soon as the war ends.
     
    Whatever happened to "I'd rather die fighting in a ditch in Donbass than live under GAE oppression"?
    Or "The FSB with its cool Punisher vehicles is coming to arrest the rainbow people in Kiev"?
    There's something truly unseemly about flipping from one extreme to the other end of the spectrum. It's not even convincing as sincere atonement for past mistakes, since anybody who paid attention to your comments in 2022 must suspect you'd sing a very different song if "shock and disbelief" had actually come to pass.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry

    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the “shock and disbelief” of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like “post-cult recovery”. Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.

    It’s only after I was outside Russia about 5 years, I was starting to think how strange a lot of the culture and views they were promoting.

    I always had a feeling he was trolling until 2022 as kind of art project. After he attacks us in 2022, it seemed I was incorrect. So, it is possible he was a victim of the kremlin marketing project which was targeting people with the far-left/far-right views. This kremlin marketing was designed for the people in the far part of the horseshoe in the theory of the horseshoe.

    I discussed about it last thread. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6265508

    After 1991, one of the main raisons d’êtres of the politics has been to move from Moscow to London without people tracing your money from either side.

    If marketing created by the postsoviet space was powerful enough. it will have unpredicted effects like a leftwing person of color in London immigrating in the incorrect direction from London to Moscow to be, a “Russian nationalist”, which is a customized pro-government imperialism using views originally created by the KGB to confuse late soviet people in the 1970s/1980s.

    Perhaps you could imagine something similar with “Nigerian prince” marketing projects. The raison d’être of the Nigerian prince marketing project is someone in the developed country transfers money to you.

    But if you use too much creative talent in the Nigerian prince marketing, some people will become fans of the stories. They could write articles about the data from the Nigerian princes, using graphs. They could begin analyzing the architecture of different castles of Nigerian princes.

    Visually talented people could painting pictures of the Nigerians princes. Some of these pictures will have creative value. The stories created by the Nigerian prince marketing could even have a kind of independent fertile culture.

    But, the raison d’être was still the money transfer. And in a large part of the postsoviet space it has been always bank accounts in Switzerland and the apartments in Knightsbridge.

    If you explain this to people who believed in the Nigerian prince, they could perhaps not accept it. If they don’t accept it, it will require some time for them to recover their rationality.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    There's no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing "thought" has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe's teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the “shock and disbelief” of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like “post-cult recovery”. Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.
     
    Pretty odd for someone who grew up in the West and had ex-Soviet parents.
    In my personal experience, most emigrants from the USSR showed fierce indifference to politics in RusFed and regarded Putin with either indifference or studied contempt.

    Anyway, Gerard revealed simple explanation for Karlin's pathology years ago when bringing up his appearance on the ever-unctious Peter Lavelle show on RT... as Gerard said, AK speaks English like someone who's never been west of Tomsk. Either he or his parents never got him to make the slightest effort to assimilate or properly adjust to the new culture he lived in, but simultaneously doesn't fit in with their parents' country either. I knew enough MENA kids like that at school.

    Like lots of misfits, this led to both his misanthropy and the ridiculous level of idealisation of 'the homeland' and subsequent crushing disappointment. Whatever. It's the tranny apologia that goes beyond the pale, though I suppose that's consistent with getting excited about 'artificial wombs'.

    @German_Reader

    Have you read or have much familiarity with Ernst Nolte?
    I got a copy of arguably his major work 'The European Civil War", in Spanish translation, interestingly it isn't available in English.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

  104. @German_reader
    @A123


    The Hamas shout “From the River to the Sea” is a call to genocide. Why should anyone help Muslims ethnically cleanse indigenous Palestinian Jews by calling for a ceasefire?
     
    Obviously Hamas is a malevolent organization, and I don't support "from the river to the sea" as a goal either. But you do, because your position is that Israel should own all that land and somehow remove the Palestinians still living there. Now one can argue that it would have been better (or at least made for a more stable situation) if that had actually happened in 1948, but today it's not possible without massive upheaval (it would also be a serious injustice in any case). It's also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for, and supporting such an ethnic cleansing operation would cause serious blowback against US interests in the world. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    Replies: @A123

    somehow remove the Palestinians still living there

    You seem to be incapable of grasping my actual position.

    How is offering a VOLUNTARY exit “somehow removing”? You are torturing the English language to imply an unwarranted leap.

    Islam unilaterally destroyed the fresh water aquifer. How is recognizing that Jihad created a problem for Muslims, the responsibility of indigenous Palestinian Jews?

    • How is a population causing itself to leave, due to resource destruction, “ethnic cleansing”?
    • Are you really going to argue “ethnic self cleansing” is a thing?

    it’s not possible without massive upheaval

    The only way to avoid the upheaval is for Islam to supply fresh water for 2.5MM+ Muslims in Gaza. How will the Muslim world do that? If it does not, the massive upheaval is inevitable.

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza’s population would match its natural resources.

    If you are incapable of accepting that option — What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage? It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    It’s also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for

    I agree that liberal SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values are a problem. The weakness of Europe’s puppet in the White House is a serious problem. Fortunately, Trump’s 2nd term will begin stepping away from anti-American liberal values.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength. This would obviously be in the interest of everyday Americans. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza’s population would match its natural resources.

    How is that a sane plan when no one wants them?

    Nothing is stopping Egypt, Syria or Jordan from giving them citizenship.

    Any refugee crisis would just end up with at least half a million of them here in the US of A. The Arab nations would come up with excuses and Biden or Trump would say something like "it's the right thing to do blah blah we can't say no and Israel can't take them" while Netanyahu snickers at our sucker presidents.

    More angry third worlders in the US that believe we are all godless pagans that deserve hell for having pet dogs and alcohol. More Muslims increases the odds of another Boston bomber or subway attacker. Some angry incel child of Muslim immigrants that decides he is going to kill a bunch of infidels after getting radicalized through the internet. Why should we take that risk? The best option is to ignore it all.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength.

    Who needs our help exactly? Israel has a modern military. They don't need our assistance.

    Replies: @A123

  105. Sher Singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    I'm not a pensioner yet, and participate in financial support of several displaced Ukrainian children within our communities.

    You’re going back on ignore for suggesting Sikhs should eat from muslims & be without weapons.

    I never suggested that you eat anything at all. The clip that I posted was titled:


    Canadian Sikh Shawarma Khanay Islamabad Pohanch Gya, Phalasteeni larkay Canadian Sikh ke Fan Niklay
     
    You can make shawarma from many types of meat. As far as weapons are concerned, you could try explaining why they're considered "Saints" in your religion? I'm genuinely interested in these topics and if I've somehow managed to disrespected you or your religion, my deepest apologies. Do your religious convictions include bearing a big chip on your shoulder too?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    As far as weapons are concerned, you could try explaining why they’re considered “Saints” in your religion?

    Not really interested.
    No hard feelings.

    You live in Arizona?
    Do you concealed carry?

    You live in a country where after the freedom to recite the name of the Lord; the right to bear arms is the most cherished.

    These things are self evident to every American.

    [MORE]

    ਸ਼੍ਰੀਅਕਾਲਸਹਾਇ

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  106. @A123
    @German_reader


    somehow remove the Palestinians still living there
     
    You seem to be incapable of grasping my actual position.

    How is offering a VOLUNTARY exit "somehow removing"? You are torturing the English language to imply an unwarranted leap.

    Islam unilaterally destroyed the fresh water aquifer. How is recognizing that Jihad created a problem for Muslims, the responsibility of indigenous Palestinian Jews?

    • How is a population causing itself to leave, due to resource destruction, "ethnic cleansing"?
    • Are you really going to argue "ethnic self cleansing" is a thing?

    it’s not possible without massive upheaval
     
    The only way to avoid the upheaval is for Islam to supply fresh water for 2.5MM+ Muslims in Gaza. How will the Muslim world do that? If it does not, the massive upheaval is inevitable.

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza's population would match its natural resources.

    If you are incapable of accepting that option -- What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage? It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    It’s also completely at odds with the liberal values the US supposedly stands for

     

    I agree that liberal SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim values are a problem. The weakness of Europe's puppet in the White House is a serious problem. Fortunately, Trump's 2nd term will begin stepping away from anti-American liberal values.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength. This would obviously be in the interest of everyday Americans. Why are you incapable of seeing that?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza’s population would match its natural resources.

    How is that a sane plan when no one wants them?

    Nothing is stopping Egypt, Syria or Jordan from giving them citizenship.

    Any refugee crisis would just end up with at least half a million of them here in the US of A. The Arab nations would come up with excuses and Biden or Trump would say something like “it’s the right thing to do blah blah we can’t say no and Israel can’t take them” while Netanyahu snickers at our sucker presidents.

    More angry third worlders in the US that believe we are all godless pagans that deserve hell for having pet dogs and alcohol. More Muslims increases the odds of another Boston bomber or subway attacker. Some angry incel child of Muslim immigrants that decides he is going to kill a bunch of infidels after getting radicalized through the internet. Why should we take that risk? The best option is to ignore it all.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength.

    Who needs our help exactly? Israel has a modern military. They don’t need our assistance.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

  107. @John Johnson
    @A123

    I suggest a sane & gradual plan. One possibility is VOLUNTARY departures of ~200,000/yr for 10 years. At 250-500K Muslims, Gaza’s population would match its natural resources.

    How is that a sane plan when no one wants them?

    Nothing is stopping Egypt, Syria or Jordan from giving them citizenship.

    Any refugee crisis would just end up with at least half a million of them here in the US of A. The Arab nations would come up with excuses and Biden or Trump would say something like "it's the right thing to do blah blah we can't say no and Israel can't take them" while Netanyahu snickers at our sucker presidents.

    More angry third worlders in the US that believe we are all godless pagans that deserve hell for having pet dogs and alcohol. More Muslims increases the odds of another Boston bomber or subway attacker. Some angry incel child of Muslim immigrants that decides he is going to kill a bunch of infidels after getting radicalized through the internet. Why should we take that risk? The best option is to ignore it all.

    Helping indigenous Palestinian Jews defend themselves from senseless Muslim aggression is among the global actions that would show U.S. strength.

    Who needs our help exactly? Israel has a modern military. They don't need our assistance.

    Replies: @A123

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Doing nothing means sending no more guns and bombs and money to the Jews in Israel and allow them to fend for themselves and if they die it is God's will.

    You are an idiot.

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    The entire Gaza situation was 100% certain to grow worse over time. That is nothing new.

    It's basically a welfare island and the women have 8-10 kids out of spite. They are popping out babies as an FU to Israel.

    Their infrastructure is not our problem. We did not create that situation and we have our own infrastructure problems related to third world populations.

    The US never suggested that Gaza be walled off. It was Hamas and Israel that jointly thought it was a good idea.

    Gaza in partly the result of race denial. We have plenty of our own race denial problems.

    This is not our disaster. The US is not the world's policeman nor its philanthropist. Half of Africa will someday have the same problems. What about Nigeria's water supply? Why is this our problem? If race is a social construct then they don't need Whites to answer these questions.

    The US was created by racial realists. They did not believe that all populations are exactly the same and only need (latest excuse/theory) to adopt the same standards. Whites in America have drifted from that cautious approach based on observable realities of nature and in favor of blank slate theory which better conforms to liberal and Christian ideals. There will most likely always be a third world population that needs assistance. Haiti is a short flight from Florida and yet they are closer to Africa in living standards. Egalitarians and conservatives tell us this is "by chance" and can be fixed.

    Let's say we throw them a few billion at a desalinization plant for Gaza. Ok sure. But what about their economy? They clearly aren't going to become Monaco. That would have happened by now just as Haiti should have become an offshore capitalist jewel. Does the UN just give Gaza aid until....??? You can see in videos that they are already overpopulated.

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island where it will be 100% worse in 10 years even if we build them a solar desalinization plant or temporarily hook up one of our nuclear ships. Our president is gutless when it comes to Israel and Trump was even worse. Any potential president in the next 8-12 years would take refuges if needed. A candidate that would say no would never be elected. That is the real problem. Generating freshwater is easy in comparison. Heck I would support letting them use an aircraft carrier for 20 years if it meant no refugees. But that isn't a solution if they keep having kids with no real economy or plan.

    Replies: @A123

  108. @A123
    @John Johnson

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    Doing nothing means sending no more guns and bombs and money to the Jews in Israel and allow them to fend for themselves and if they die it is God’s will.

    You are an idiot.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The U.S. would lose a valuable ally in the Judeo-Christian fight against IslamoGloboHomo. Why do you hate God so much that you refuse to help?

    Everyone noticed ran away with out addressing the critical question. What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    Are you trying to be a low-IQ yahoo troll? If so, you are succeeding.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  109. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Doing nothing means sending no more guns and bombs and money to the Jews in Israel and allow them to fend for themselves and if they die it is God's will.

    You are an idiot.

    Replies: @A123

    The U.S. would lose a valuable ally in the Judeo-Christian fight against IslamoGloboHomo. Why do you hate God so much that you refuse to help?

    Everyone noticed ran away with out addressing the critical question. What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    Are you trying to be a low-IQ yahoo troll? If so, you are succeeding.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    valuable ally in the Judeo-Christian fight against IslamoGloboHomo
     
    https://images.moneycontrol.com/static-mcnews/2023/11/Yoav-Atzmoni-1-770x433.jpg
  110. @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You continually fail to realize that EHC supports minorities.

    You tar minorities as fascists and Chechens to accept LGBT, in exchange for less racism.

    You're slow in understanding subtleties. For example, POC protesting LGBT is progressive. Opposing these protests is racist.

    You continue to ignore points brought up by POC in this thread. You've neglected undergoing therapy for internalized white supremacy. You need to focus on making society more amenable to the victims of white supremacy.

    EHC only cares about space travel, in so far as it helps feed black people.

    You can help foreigners dilute Slavic blood & Russian imperialism if you're serious about opposing Putinism.

    Otherwise, you're still a rightoid in disguise and are better off admitting this.

    Racism = prejudice + power
    Minorities cannot be racist or rightoids.

    You will support Khalistan & you will like it.

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/007f966ab473d2714fc1d15330391c6de193d22c454db530ba75f22d5289a6a2_1.webp

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I don’t know it was pretty surprising to see this thread, there were positive indicators. If you saw the analogy about Mexico he posted, it is indirectly criticizing the invasion of Ukraine. He even talked about 50 Cent.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    He even talked about 50 Cent.
     
    Slim Shady made 50 cent famous. You would not have heard of him otherwise.
  111. Germany still had wind powered ‘tall ships’ in the 1920’s and 30’s for trade with South America. A guy from Massachusetts served on one of these, the Peking, in 1928, and made home movies about his experience as the ship sailed around Cape Horn.

    Kind of interesting the work they did on board , and all without modern safety equipment.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_P-Liner

  112. @Hyperborean
    @LatW


    I suspect that some Muslim states will not want this since Palis were their proxy, a kind of a 5th column against Israel. With a resulting tragedy for Palis (even if they do have agency and their own interests on the ground).
     
    Palestinian refugees have historically stirred up trouble in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait. None of the neighbouring states want radicalised and sullen troublemakers in their country who may decide to assassinate them or carry out a reenactment of Black September.

    Replies: @LatW

    Palestinian refugees have historically stirred up trouble in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait.

    Right, I already alluded to that. Also, apparently many Muslim states expelled all the Jews long ago.

    The Jews have forced Europeans to baby hostile foreigners. And Muslims have lorded it over the Europeans calling them weak (for being humane).

    Hypothetically, they would behave well in a host country which is large and powerful and also simultaneously offers a quick route to improving one’s life. And where the dominant culture is not Muslim. But they would still suffer from the loss of a homeland (I’m not advocating for any of this and have no answers for what would work).

    As Europeans, if we were callous enough, we should use this situation to our advantage to take both parties down a notch (both the over privileged internationalist Jews and the insolent Islamists who advocate for swamping Europe).

  113. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Israel’s Hannibal doctrine is somehow more humane eh.

    Are you talking about this directive?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

    Yes it would be more humane. They're not sending in untrained soldiers to certain death.

    From that wiki page:
    There is only one case for which Israeli forces have been officially confirmed to be directly responsible for an Israeli death.

    Israeli forces are properly trained.

    Stories of Russian conscripts being sent on suicide missions will only get worse. Word is that Russia is using fewer armored vehicles and is just sending in men.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Yes it would be more humane. They’re not sending in untrained soldiers to certain death.

    You know that for a fact. Details which don’t give good overview on Israeli military ethics:

    The Kiev regime is the side sending poorly trained young and old to near certain deaths. But you go ahead and continue to get things upside down.

  114. @LatW
    @German_reader

    Your point has validity, of course. However, the attack on Israelis was quite savage (they are in great shock and this will scar them permanently) - those who organized this attack need to take some responsibility, too.

    It is also annoying how many Muslims lecture to Euros and claim moral superiority (and even some kind of a civilizational purity), when they themselves are brutish, cruel and cold towards their own co-religionists.

    They have a very light attitude towards the death of a person ("she is going to her Allah now", they say to the Jewish parents whose daughter they have shot in front of their eyes, in their home, in front of young children). If they have the moral upper hand, are we supposed to say the same about all of the Palis killed? Do as I say not as I do, once again?

    There are forces now in each region that want to reorganize their neighborhoods and these more vulnerable pockets suffer the most. The whole post-1945 order is collapsing and Israel was founded in 1948, so their position is being compromised now, even if they may have thought they could cruise through based on the set up that was the result of their former wars (and it was always a struggle from the get-go), with the Yalta order collapsing, these things are being revisited now and there is more pressure on Israel - so Israel is being aggressive because they view this as self-defense, similar to how Russia views its war in Ukraine as self-defense.

    In a more chaotic state of affairs, it is difficult to control such large actors (as they will not abide by the international law but will do what they feel needs to be done to secure what they feel are their basic interests). It is also an opportunity for some actors to improve their position (at the expense of others). But the legal and security problem is that we don't know how this can be controlled in a civilized manner.

    I don't see what leverage there is to control Israel (other than some kind of an embargo on their goods, which the West will not agree to).

    But I also believe that the Europeans need to put their foot down and insist that the world has changed too much and we are receiving too many migrants that are causing internal instability - that the world has now changed and we will need to change our approach (from the ever-benevolent suckers to something more stern and pragmatic - and self-preserving).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid, is division of the countries to rival blocs, like a new Cold War. These blocs are not completely voluntary or based in public opinion.

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN. While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn’t want to damage the relation with Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8xnoA8W0w.

    But, from autumn 2022 Iran becomes one of the main suppliers of weapons for Russia. So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it’s only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America’s bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be now involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine’s conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc. For example, Sweden’s weapons will fight against Iran’s weapons, in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid
     
    The US-China summit that just took place in San Francisco was a very positive event and a sign of opening up of communication and a very needed sign of hope in a growingly confrontational world.

    As was the symbolic gesture of bringing pandas to California. :)

    How can we allow a WW3 (or WW4, depending on whether one counts the Cold War) - with such adorable animals around? :)

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.
     
    But that's how it's been for a long time. The Saudis don't want to give up the Abraham accords. After things cool off a bit they will return to discussing these agreements.

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN.
     
    The Ukrainian diplomats have not yet educated themselves about the best ways how Israel should be approached. Their voting pattern in the UN, it is a kind of a weird inertia. I'm not saying they should switch their voting pattern to the opposite, just try to be more careful. One can always "abstain".

    While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn’t want to damage the relation with Russia
     
    Correct, and the Ukrainian public has been a bit disappointed about this. However, there is some indication that things have changed in the Russophone Israeli public after October 7. There was a big spat in Russia as well between some public Jews and the Kremlin supporters.

    So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.
     
    It would not be "secretly", judging from their media, there is a lot of support for Israel. There is even a UPA flag with a start of David (oops, shouldn't have revealed that on this forum, lol!). But they should tread carefully. Let's wait and see what Israel digs up about how the attack was prepared and with whose help. Trust me, all the cheerleading for Hamas in Russia did not go unnoticed. Everyone who helped prepare the attack will pay (even if it takes years, that's how Jews operate). Ukraine should tread carefully and maybe invite Israel to cooperate on the drone program or some similar high tech program (if this is possible).

    A lot is being revealed now that used to be secret (and not so secret for the Israelis, since the SU supported the Palis from day one).

    one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.
     
    Yes, it is unfortunate for Slavs to be against Persia. But it is even worse for Persia to provide weapons to murder Slavs.

    We do not yet know that such a war will take place. Let Israel first take care of Gaza (the army is performing well), they will have more than enough to deal with besides Iran. Not sure a war like that is even possible right now, politically (not to mention militarily), it's not the Bush years anymore. Why did you bring that up, with such certainty?

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it’s only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America’s bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.
     
    Yes, it is pretty funny (not sure how Cubans are faring these days, that part may not be all that funny). But not sure UN is that relevant or respected anymore as an organization.

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.
     
    Stalin could not be picky about friends back then.

    And, yes, we're seeing the further unraveling of that. The Allies propped Stalin up at some point in the past, allowing the USSR to gain what they gained, that has been unravelling now (as the post 1945 order is collapsing).

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be becoming involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine’s conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc.
     
    Because the stakes are very high now. Ukraine and Israel are on the periphery, but these conflicts are so huge that they are affecting the center and the Western bloc as a whole.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  115. It’s funny, Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy saying they need to criticize the persecution of Armenians, like also the Ukraine’s persecution of Christians.

    I guess Tucker Carlson said something creative about Ukrainian persecution of Christians. Then it entered the Republican encyclopedia of knowledge about the world.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    The interesting thing is that Ukraine is more Christian than Russia is. How about having him and other Republicans criticize Russia's persecution of Christian Ukrainians?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  116. @LatW
    @A123


    Why should Palestinian Jews not call out pro-Hamas “ceasefire” advocates? Those countries should also be pro-Hamas “refugee destinations.”
     
    Even if someone had called for a ceasefire, it doesn't mean people can be freely moved to those countries - you do not shuffle people around the world like that (it's possible but not desirable to uproot people like that).

    It's understandable that Israel has always had a huge problem on their hands that way, since the Palis are impossible for the Jews to integrate (with very few exceptions). And Israel had done tremendous work trying to work out some kind of a cohabitation model (there are even Arabs in the Knesset). Alas, this policy failed (or backfired). And btw I don't know what the solution is (if long term thorough integration attempts do not work).

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call "SJW Globalist" countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    And, above all, the diaspora Jews have for years battled native Europeans by forcing them to integrate alien cultures. I would like to see those diaspora Jews openly admit that they were wrong and that their ideology has failed (if they are so eager to spread Palis around).

    I do sympathize with Israel but to expect the West to just clean up after them with regards to the humanitarian aspect, is a lot to ask. I'm also a bit peeved that the Arab states are so stubborn about accepting refugees (although I do sympathize with Egypt's position). We've heard all kinds of scary stories about how Palis became a problem after they moved to some Arab states. Nothing against the nation of Qatar, but maybe they can help somehow (as you suggested). The innocent Palis are victims and they deserve sympathy and help from their brethren. We helped our Ukrainian brethren without even thinking for a second.

    For example, Russia accepted the refugees from Ukraine and Donbas. Russia did use the Donbas proxies in a rather cruel way - however, Russia was generous enough to accept everyone who wanted to move to Russia.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @silviosilver

    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call “SJW Globalist” countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.

    Of course they get to have a say. But for a123 it’s not about that. For him it’s always about what is best for jews. I’m not going to bother accusing him of being one (just like in gym culture, anyone bigger than you is “obviously” on gear, on race forums, anyone disagreeing with you is “obviously” a jew – not a good look), but it’s clear that is his chief concern no matter what the issue is. (Nukes are headed to both Munich and Tel Aviv; he can only spare one, which does he choose? His answer is as automatically the latter at any true Euro-firster’s answer would automatically be the former. End of discussion.)

    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.) If I were moderating this forum, I would have banned this obvious troll on day one.

    Lastly, anyone giving the fuckest of fucks about jewish or israeli wellbeing is at best at a very high risk of becoming a fucking idiot, just begging to be taken for a ride – if they’re not already there. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality. These people care overwhelmingly about themselves, not about outsiders. I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn’t require “hating” them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they’re whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what’s good for your own people.

    And lastly lastly, if some politico’s opinion on a mere ceasefire is reason enough to dump muzzes on that country, then what of decades-long (domestic) jewish as well as (specifically) israeli interference in eurosphere politics? Fair’s fair would require euros to be screaming to complete the shoah. Something for the troll to ponder.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn’t require “hating” them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they’re whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what’s good for your own people.
     
    I would suggest crafting some kind of a more intricate approach - tell the Jews to drop their grievances (close the Holocaust money lobbying NGOs, we will take over the narrative and give the Jews enough respect but not allow their dominance) and pound the hell out of the Muslims / lefties (Jordan Peterson - with his dragon whatever that means - & Douglas Murray come in here).

    As a result, we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    , @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.)
     
    A123 expresses it in colourful terms but there is something in this idea. In France it's more formally recognised as 'Islamo-Gauchisme'. In the UK the left-wing and progressives is more likely to want to offer special protections and support to Muslims (like putting Islamophobia concept into the law), favour Muslim immigration and so on. In turn the Muslim community provides solid political support for the left wing party. It has a real impact; in the UK the local councils run by the left wing party helped cover up the grooming gangs for years.

    There is some useful analysis of the logic behind Islamo-Gauchisme in that Pascal Bruckner book I mentioned on the other thread. Muslims are seen as part of the coalition of the oppressed and therefore can be useful allies in the struggle to overturn white European bourgeois civilisation. Sartre sort of talks about this in the intro he wrote to 'White Masks...' as well.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123

  117. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid, is division of the countries to rival blocs, like a new Cold War. These blocs are not completely voluntary or based in public opinion.

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN. While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn't want to damage the relation with Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8xnoA8W0w.

    But, from autumn 2022 Iran becomes one of the main suppliers of weapons for Russia. So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it's only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America's bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.

    https://i.imgur.com/SdBgxqx.jpg

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be now involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine's conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc. For example, Sweden's weapons will fight against Iran's weapons, in Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid

    The US-China summit that just took place in San Francisco was a very positive event and a sign of opening up of communication and a very needed sign of hope in a growingly confrontational world.

    As was the symbolic gesture of bringing pandas to California. 🙂

    How can we allow a WW3 (or WW4, depending on whether one counts the Cold War) – with such adorable animals around? 🙂

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.

    But that’s how it’s been for a long time. The Saudis don’t want to give up the Abraham accords. After things cool off a bit they will return to discussing these agreements.

    [MORE]

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN.

    The Ukrainian diplomats have not yet educated themselves about the best ways how Israel should be approached. Their voting pattern in the UN, it is a kind of a weird inertia. I’m not saying they should switch their voting pattern to the opposite, just try to be more careful. One can always “abstain”.

    While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn’t want to damage the relation with Russia

    Correct, and the Ukrainian public has been a bit disappointed about this. However, there is some indication that things have changed in the Russophone Israeli public after October 7. There was a big spat in Russia as well between some public Jews and the Kremlin supporters.

    So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.

    It would not be “secretly”, judging from their media, there is a lot of support for Israel. There is even a UPA flag with a start of David (oops, shouldn’t have revealed that on this forum, lol!). But they should tread carefully. Let’s wait and see what Israel digs up about how the attack was prepared and with whose help. Trust me, all the cheerleading for Hamas in Russia did not go unnoticed. Everyone who helped prepare the attack will pay (even if it takes years, that’s how Jews operate). Ukraine should tread carefully and maybe invite Israel to cooperate on the drone program or some similar high tech program (if this is possible).

    A lot is being revealed now that used to be secret (and not so secret for the Israelis, since the SU supported the Palis from day one).

    one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.

    Yes, it is unfortunate for Slavs to be against Persia. But it is even worse for Persia to provide weapons to murder Slavs.

    We do not yet know that such a war will take place. Let Israel first take care of Gaza (the army is performing well), they will have more than enough to deal with besides Iran. Not sure a war like that is even possible right now, politically (not to mention militarily), it’s not the Bush years anymore. Why did you bring that up, with such certainty?

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it’s only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America’s bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.

    Yes, it is pretty funny (not sure how Cubans are faring these days, that part may not be all that funny). But not sure UN is that relevant or respected anymore as an organization.

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.

    Stalin could not be picky about friends back then.

    And, yes, we’re seeing the further unraveling of that. The Allies propped Stalin up at some point in the past, allowing the USSR to gain what they gained, that has been unravelling now (as the post 1945 order is collapsing).

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be becoming involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine’s conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc.

    Because the stakes are very high now. Ukraine and Israel are on the periphery, but these conflicts are so huge that they are affecting the center and the Western bloc as a whole.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    In the years between around 1962 to 1975, the Arab-Israeli war was becoming one of the most violent proxy wars between the USA and the USSR.

    This was including direct fighting between Israel and the Soviet armed forces

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noXPLL7pyfU


    It's because of the war with the Soviet Union, the leftwing is directed very anti-Israel in this time, reviewing Zionism as imperialism/colonialism. In 1974, the Soviet bloc in the UN, supported by the non-aligned bloc, votes the resolution "Zionism is racism".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379

    In this time, the KGB is creating the documentary films saying "Zionism is Nazism" for the Soviet public, although there are a lot of their films released until after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    This is also why USA is beginning the military aid for Israel, which is becoming large after1968 as Americans were viewing as one of the most important proxy wars with the Soviet Union.


    Yes, it is pretty funny (not sure how Cubans are faring these days, that part may not be all that funny). But not sure UN is that relevant or respected anymore as an organization.

     

    Cuban immigrants in Miami have been one of the most important voters in a per capita sense for American elections, as Florida has been the largest Swing State in some of the recent elections. With a high proportion of exiles from Castro and they still continue strong anti-communist views.

    Cuban American politicians Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Robert Menendez were leaders in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, 15% of members. Menendez was chairman of the committee before a corruption case.

    Rubio and Menendez were some of the most pro-Ukraine politicians. It's probably partly because of the Castro-Soviet relationship, inheriting the Cold War view from their family.


    would not be “secretly”, judging from their media, there is a lot of support for Israel. There is even a UPA flag with a start of David (oops, shouldn’t have revealed that on this forum, lol!). But they should tread carefully
     
    Yes, I know I watched a lot of Ukrainian television. Israel was very fashionable in Ukraine, like a lot of the postsoviet countries. I think especially Yanukovich was pro-Israel and promoted it from the top.

    I remember this video before the war in Ukraine, from an Israeli YouTuber. He couldn't understand why there are Israel flags in the center of Kiev. https://youtu.be/jHAf8x1thsU?feature=shared&t=95.

    It's mainly it is viewed as a development model which can be attained. For postsoviet countries, it has been an alternative model of a Western country which is not old wealth Benelux or an impossible liberalism like Sweden.

  118. @A123
    @John Johnson

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    The entire Gaza situation was 100% certain to grow worse over time. That is nothing new.

    It’s basically a welfare island and the women have 8-10 kids out of spite. They are popping out babies as an FU to Israel.

    Their infrastructure is not our problem. We did not create that situation and we have our own infrastructure problems related to third world populations.

    The US never suggested that Gaza be walled off. It was Hamas and Israel that jointly thought it was a good idea.

    Gaza in partly the result of race denial. We have plenty of our own race denial problems.

    This is not our disaster. The US is not the world’s policeman nor its philanthropist. Half of Africa will someday have the same problems. What about Nigeria’s water supply? Why is this our problem? If race is a social construct then they don’t need Whites to answer these questions.

    The US was created by racial realists. They did not believe that all populations are exactly the same and only need (latest excuse/theory) to adopt the same standards. Whites in America have drifted from that cautious approach based on observable realities of nature and in favor of blank slate theory which better conforms to liberal and Christian ideals. There will most likely always be a third world population that needs assistance. Haiti is a short flight from Florida and yet they are closer to Africa in living standards. Egalitarians and conservatives tell us this is “by chance” and can be fixed.

    Let’s say we throw them a few billion at a desalinization plant for Gaza. Ok sure. But what about their economy? They clearly aren’t going to become Monaco. That would have happened by now just as Haiti should have become an offshore capitalist jewel. Does the UN just give Gaza aid until….??? You can see in videos that they are already overpopulated.

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island where it will be 100% worse in 10 years even if we build them a solar desalinization plant or temporarily hook up one of our nuclear ships. Our president is gutless when it comes to Israel and Trump was even worse. Any potential president in the next 8-12 years would take refuges if needed. A candidate that would say no would never be elected. That is the real problem. Generating freshwater is easy in comparison. Heck I would support letting them use an aircraft carrier for 20 years if it meant no refugees. But that isn’t a solution if they keep having kids with no real economy or plan.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.
     

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island
     
    Excellent... We are making progress. Would you please:

    • Elucidate your "real solution"?
    • Detail how would it match Gaza's population to fresh water supply?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  119. @John Johnson
    @A123

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    The entire Gaza situation was 100% certain to grow worse over time. That is nothing new.

    It's basically a welfare island and the women have 8-10 kids out of spite. They are popping out babies as an FU to Israel.

    Their infrastructure is not our problem. We did not create that situation and we have our own infrastructure problems related to third world populations.

    The US never suggested that Gaza be walled off. It was Hamas and Israel that jointly thought it was a good idea.

    Gaza in partly the result of race denial. We have plenty of our own race denial problems.

    This is not our disaster. The US is not the world's policeman nor its philanthropist. Half of Africa will someday have the same problems. What about Nigeria's water supply? Why is this our problem? If race is a social construct then they don't need Whites to answer these questions.

    The US was created by racial realists. They did not believe that all populations are exactly the same and only need (latest excuse/theory) to adopt the same standards. Whites in America have drifted from that cautious approach based on observable realities of nature and in favor of blank slate theory which better conforms to liberal and Christian ideals. There will most likely always be a third world population that needs assistance. Haiti is a short flight from Florida and yet they are closer to Africa in living standards. Egalitarians and conservatives tell us this is "by chance" and can be fixed.

    Let's say we throw them a few billion at a desalinization plant for Gaza. Ok sure. But what about their economy? They clearly aren't going to become Monaco. That would have happened by now just as Haiti should have become an offshore capitalist jewel. Does the UN just give Gaza aid until....??? You can see in videos that they are already overpopulated.

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island where it will be 100% worse in 10 years even if we build them a solar desalinization plant or temporarily hook up one of our nuclear ships. Our president is gutless when it comes to Israel and Trump was even worse. Any potential president in the next 8-12 years would take refuges if needed. A candidate that would say no would never be elected. That is the real problem. Generating freshwater is easy in comparison. Heck I would support letting them use an aircraft carrier for 20 years if it meant no refugees. But that isn't a solution if they keep having kids with no real economy or plan.

    Replies: @A123

    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island

    Excellent… We are making progress. Would you please:

    • Elucidate your “real solution”?
    • Detail how would it match Gaza’s population to fresh water supply?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123


    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island

     

    Excellent… We are making progress. Would you please:

    Elucidate your “real solution”?

    Pay Egypt to take them or create a Palestinian state. 1967 borders and maybe add Golan.

    Detail how would it match Gaza’s population to fresh water supply?

    Toss a few billion to pay for a solar power desalinization plant and wastewater treatment facility. Not sure why you are so focused on the water supply. Yes I am aware they live off of Israeli power and water. It in part makes the Hamas attack all the more stupid.

    Set them up with the basics and wipe our hands clean. Race doesn't exist so should be Monaco in 10 years.

    But I'm only answering the question because you asked. On some level I really don't care. The Arab countries decided to attack Israel and they lost. Why is this our problem? We didn't create Israel and the Arabs totally f-cked up their attack. They lost fair and square. Israel has been a sore winner in some ways...ok why is that our problem as well? I fully support saying HAKUNA MATATA to the whole area and cutting off military aid to Israel. I also fully support dropping Israel First Christians into Israel and Blame America Always leftists into Gaza. Hamas lovers like Anglin should also be dropped into Gaza. He can blog about "muh precious brown people" while making fun of liberals for doing the same with Blacks.

  120. @Dmitry
    @Sher Singh

    I don't know it was pretty surprising to see this thread, there were positive indicators. If you saw the analogy about Mexico he posted, it is indirectly criticizing the invasion of Ukraine. He even talked about 50 Cent.

    Replies: @LatW

    He even talked about 50 Cent.

    Slim Shady made 50 cent famous. You would not have heard of him otherwise.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
  121. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call “SJW Globalist” countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.
     
    Of course they get to have a say. But for a123 it's not about that. For him it's always about what is best for jews. I'm not going to bother accusing him of being one (just like in gym culture, anyone bigger than you is "obviously" on gear, on race forums, anyone disagreeing with you is "obviously" a jew - not a good look), but it's clear that is his chief concern no matter what the issue is. (Nukes are headed to both Munich and Tel Aviv; he can only spare one, which does he choose? His answer is as automatically the latter at any true Euro-firster's answer would automatically be the former. End of discussion.)

    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who'd propound the demented thesis that "Soros is a muslim"? Or the nearly equally demented "sjw islam" thesis? (Yeah, that's the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets - they're just too damn leftist, got it.) If I were moderating this forum, I would have banned this obvious troll on day one.

    Lastly, anyone giving the fuckest of fucks about jewish or israeli wellbeing is at best at a very high risk of becoming a fucking idiot, just begging to be taken for a ride - if they're not already there. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality. These people care overwhelmingly about themselves, not about outsiders. I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn't require "hating" them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they're whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what's good for your own people.

    And lastly lastly, if some politico's opinion on a mere ceasefire is reason enough to dump muzzes on that country, then what of decades-long (domestic) jewish as well as (specifically) israeli interference in eurosphere politics? Fair's fair would require euros to be screaming to complete the shoah. Something for the troll to ponder.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn’t require “hating” them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they’re whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what’s good for your own people.

    I would suggest crafting some kind of a more intricate approach – tell the Jews to drop their grievances (close the Holocaust money lobbying NGOs, we will take over the narrative and give the Jews enough respect but not allow their dominance) and pound the hell out of the Muslims / lefties (Jordan Peterson – with his dragon whatever that means – & Douglas Murray come in here).

    As a result, we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/83/38/b18338e651160c375ff87f5ed1300813.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.
     
    It is probably too late for that. Look at the demographic numbers, this is not reversible: self-respect and striving follow the situation on the ground, not vice-versa.

    The best Europe can do is to stop the bleeding, but not reverse what has happened: London will not be an English city, Paris will not be French, and Berlin German - the numbers are baked in.

    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe - it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe. The Ukie over-reach has blown it apart. These things can't be forced - they tried to force it and met stronger force.

    We are now in the management of consequences phase - Europe can't go back.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

  122. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn’t require “hating” them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they’re whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what’s good for your own people.
     
    I would suggest crafting some kind of a more intricate approach - tell the Jews to drop their grievances (close the Holocaust money lobbying NGOs, we will take over the narrative and give the Jews enough respect but not allow their dominance) and pound the hell out of the Muslims / lefties (Jordan Peterson - with his dragon whatever that means - & Douglas Murray come in here).

    As a result, we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.

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    @LatW

    Interesting that the European on this postcard is relatively dark-skinned. She looks a bit like a Hindu, but with European clothing.

    Replies: @LatW

  123. @A123
    @John Johnson



    What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    It is 100% certain to grow worse over time based on what seems to be your choice, doing nothing.
     

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island
     
    Excellent... We are making progress. Would you please:

    • Elucidate your "real solution"?
    • Detail how would it match Gaza's population to fresh water supply?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    What I would like to see is a real solution and not a welfare island

    Excellent… We are making progress. Would you please:

    Elucidate your “real solution”?

    Pay Egypt to take them or create a Palestinian state. 1967 borders and maybe add Golan.

    Detail how would it match Gaza’s population to fresh water supply?

    Toss a few billion to pay for a solar power desalinization plant and wastewater treatment facility. Not sure why you are so focused on the water supply. Yes I am aware they live off of Israeli power and water. It in part makes the Hamas attack all the more stupid.

    Set them up with the basics and wipe our hands clean. Race doesn’t exist so should be Monaco in 10 years.

    But I’m only answering the question because you asked. On some level I really don’t care. The Arab countries decided to attack Israel and they lost. Why is this our problem? We didn’t create Israel and the Arabs totally f-cked up their attack. They lost fair and square. Israel has been a sore winner in some ways…ok why is that our problem as well? I fully support saying HAKUNA MATATA to the whole area and cutting off military aid to Israel. I also fully support dropping Israel First Christians into Israel and Blame America Always leftists into Gaza. Hamas lovers like Anglin should also be dropped into Gaza. He can blog about “muh precious brown people” while making fun of liberals for doing the same with Blacks.

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  124. @Hyperborean
    @Mr. XYZ


    For the sake of humor lol!
     
    It's not funny, it's just... weird.

    Also, you keep mentioning how countries should just "breed more" as a national policy without even considering how unrealistic that is. Do you think other countries haven't tried that? Ceausescu-era Romania, Iran, North Korea, contemporary China. You can achieve certain gains but you can't brute force an arbitrary high number. Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It's part of a general global fall in the TFR.

    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    It would be more worthwhile investing in artificial wombs.

    Certainly, but the impression that I get is that a lot of childfree people don’t want to raise children, not merely not to gestate them. Else, they’d be eagerly adopting children while refusing to have their own biological children, and such an arrangement does sound great for blank slatists who are interested in this since they won’t have super-low expectations of their adopted children. (Super-low expectations could discourage adoption in the first place.)

    Not to mention that even traditionally high fertility groups like the Amish and Sub-Saharan Africans are beginning to undergo the demographic transition (albeit starting from a very high base). It’s part of a general global fall in the TFR.

    In Israel, Haredi fertility has been pretty stable:

    Is it too difficult for Russia to find its own version of the Haredim (ideally not dysgenic) and aggressively subsidize them for, say, 100 years? Since Russian EHC will control Russia’s culture, it could win over some ideological converts to its cause from this group during this century. For Israel, it doesn’t work too well with the Haredim but it apparently does work much better for the less intense religious types (such as those who support Bezalel Smotrich), a lot of those descendants apparently become secular and thus boost Israel’s secular Jewish population.

  125. Drone warfare is the ultimate end point of Industrialized War. You are no longer constrained by military manpower. It becomes a pure contest of Industrial capacity.

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  126. @Dmitry
    It's funny, Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy saying they need to criticize the persecution of Armenians, like also the Ukraine's persecution of Christians.

    I guess Tucker Carlson said something creative about Ukrainian persecution of Christians. Then it entered the Republican encyclopedia of knowledge about the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS_o0Cvb71E

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The interesting thing is that Ukraine is more Christian than Russia is. How about having him and other Republicans criticize Russia’s persecution of Christian Ukrainians?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    I guess it's something from Tucker Carlson. He says different things depending if he is talking to populist audience or more educated audience.

    When he wants to increase some of the voting market share from the Trump market. He is saying different reasons for the anti-Ukraine views like "Hunter Biden" and "persecution of Christians".

    When he speaks with the more educated audience, he talks about the fiscal view and geopolitics.

    He is a bit of stereotype of venture capital people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vICZnoVPyR0

    Most of the time the venture capital people seem like talking confidently about topics and technologies they probably don't know anything about much with a glass of wine. Their information sources are from listening often just listening to other people and following hype.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  127. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles
     
    People are pretty aware of what is happening in their own country, particularly one that is of medium size, such as Ukraine. If losses were huge the people might be less insistent on liberating their occupied lands.

    Ukraine is supposedly building a lot of drones.

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?
     
    If Ukraine had had devastating losses it would have been a mistake. Instead, it was worth trying. The situation has been clarified. Maybe such clarification sped up or unlocked the provision of ATACMS.

    There’s also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it’s the socially expected answer
     
    It's also what I hear when I talk to them. Obviously nobody is happy about the war, but they express determination to liberate their occupied lands. No one has been saying, "I wish they would make a deal and end it."

    the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero
     
    People who show up to the military offices, have some experience, and are invited in? Probably.

    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that - who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren't hiding in basements. One of my cousin's husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn't need him. He's working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn't want to go to the army.

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire.
     
    I heard the same in Russia. I have no connection with Kiev elites so I have no idea.

    We've discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar

    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that – who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren’t hiding in basements. One of my cousin’s husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn’t need him. He’s working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn’t want to go to the army.

    Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    A future MAGA-style US President can try shutting down any US military bases in Ukraine in an attempt to improve US relations with Russia, no? Vivek would certainly do it in a heartbeat.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    > Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    Yes - that was clear even a year ago. https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1619347222830923778

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives. Ukraine's problems with getting additional manpower isn't some big secret and is getting covered by Western MSM. It stands to logic - once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded, the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged "losers". So at this point I'm rather doubtful 80-90% Ukrainian war support will survive another major mobilization wave which will of necessity now have to be much more coercive than the earlier ones.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

  128. The Vietnamese are good people.


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    Haplogroup N-M231 arose in North Vietnam approximately 19,400 (±4,800) years ago and populated northern Eurasia after the Last Glacial Maximum. Males carrying the marker apparently moved northwards as the climate warmed in the Holocene, migrating in a counter-clockwise path, to eventually become concentrated in areas as far away as Fennoscandia and the Baltic (Rootsi et al. 2006). The apparent dearth of haplogroup N-M231 amongst Native American peoples indicates that it spread after Beringia was submerged (Chiaroni, Underhill & Cavalli-Sforza 2009), about 11,000 years ago.

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  129. @German_reader
    @LatW

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they're arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they're saying someone else should take them as immigrants for "humanitarian reasons".
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

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  130. @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The U.S. would lose a valuable ally in the Judeo-Christian fight against IslamoGloboHomo. Why do you hate God so much that you refuse to help?

    Everyone noticed ran away with out addressing the critical question. What is your proposal to fix the Gaza fresh water shortage?

    Are you trying to be a low-IQ yahoo troll? If so, you are succeeding.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    valuable ally in the Judeo-Christian fight against IslamoGloboHomo

  131. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    One of the trends which the invasion of Ukraine has been increasing, although China is still trying to avoid
     
    The US-China summit that just took place in San Francisco was a very positive event and a sign of opening up of communication and a very needed sign of hope in a growingly confrontational world.

    As was the symbolic gesture of bringing pandas to California. :)

    How can we allow a WW3 (or WW4, depending on whether one counts the Cold War) - with such adorable animals around? :)

    After October 7th, Houthis in Yemen begin missile attacks against Israel. So, after the war with Hamas is ending, Israel will begin to attack Houthis in Yemen. So, Israel will go to the side of leader of the Arab and Muslim world, Saudi Arabia in the Yemeni Civil War, even though it is supposedly in conflict with the Arab/Muslim world in Gaza.
     
    But that's how it's been for a long time. The Saudis don't want to give up the Abraham accords. After things cool off a bit they will return to discussing these agreements.

    Ukraine votes for 90% of the anti-Israel resolutions in the UN.
     
    The Ukrainian diplomats have not yet educated themselves about the best ways how Israel should be approached. Their voting pattern in the UN, it is a kind of a weird inertia. I'm not saying they should switch their voting pattern to the opposite, just try to be more careful. One can always "abstain".

    While Israel tries to avoid the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, it doesn’t want to damage the relation with Russia
     
    Correct, and the Ukrainian public has been a bit disappointed about this. However, there is some indication that things have changed in the Russophone Israeli public after October 7. There was a big spat in Russia as well between some public Jews and the Kremlin supporters.

    So, if Israel goes to war against Iran, you can guess Ukraine would be secretly one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.
     
    It would not be "secretly", judging from their media, there is a lot of support for Israel. There is even a UPA flag with a start of David (oops, shouldn't have revealed that on this forum, lol!). But they should tread carefully. Let's wait and see what Israel digs up about how the attack was prepared and with whose help. Trust me, all the cheerleading for Hamas in Russia did not go unnoticed. Everyone who helped prepare the attack will pay (even if it takes years, that's how Jews operate). Ukraine should tread carefully and maybe invite Israel to cooperate on the drone program or some similar high tech program (if this is possible).

    A lot is being revealed now that used to be secret (and not so secret for the Israelis, since the SU supported the Palis from day one).

    one of the supporters of Israel in the Israel-Iran war, while Russia will be one of the opposition.
     
    Yes, it is unfortunate for Slavs to be against Persia. But it is even worse for Persia to provide weapons to murder Slavs.

    We do not yet know that such a war will take place. Let Israel first take care of Gaza (the army is performing well), they will have more than enough to deal with besides Iran. Not sure a war like that is even possible right now, politically (not to mention militarily), it's not the Bush years anymore. Why did you bring that up, with such certainty?

    In the vote in the UN this month criticizing the American embargo against Cuba, it’s only Israel and smaller extent of Ukraine, which were supporting America. So, the warzones thousands of kilometers from the American continent are some of the most loyal parts of America’s bloc now in relation to the Monroe Doctrine.
     
    Yes, it is pretty funny (not sure how Cubans are faring these days, that part may not be all that funny). But not sure UN is that relevant or respected anymore as an organization.

    When you look at Yalta, one of the things the blocs are not exactly voluntary. Stalin in the bloc with Churchill and Roosevelt, was not his original friend selection.
     
    Stalin could not be picky about friends back then.

    And, yes, we're seeing the further unraveling of that. The Allies propped Stalin up at some point in the past, allowing the USSR to gain what they gained, that has been unravelling now (as the post 1945 order is collapsing).

    A lot of the European countries like Sweden or Republic of Ireland have very negative views about Israel. But they will be becoming involuntary parts of the same bloc, in relation to Ukraine’s conflicts with an Russia-Iran-North Korea bloc.
     
    Because the stakes are very high now. Ukraine and Israel are on the periphery, but these conflicts are so huge that they are affecting the center and the Western bloc as a whole.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In the years between around 1962 to 1975, the Arab-Israeli war was becoming one of the most violent proxy wars between the USA and the USSR.

    This was including direct fighting between Israel and the Soviet armed forces

    It’s because of the war with the Soviet Union, the leftwing is directed very anti-Israel in this time, reviewing Zionism as imperialism/colonialism. In 1974, the Soviet bloc in the UN, supported by the non-aligned bloc, votes the resolution “Zionism is racism”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379

    In this time, the KGB is creating the documentary films saying “Zionism is Nazism” for the Soviet public, although there are a lot of their films released until after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    This is also why USA is beginning the military aid for Israel, which is becoming large after1968 as Americans were viewing as one of the most important proxy wars with the Soviet Union.

    Yes, it is pretty funny (not sure how Cubans are faring these days, that part may not be all that funny). But not sure UN is that relevant or respected anymore as an organization.

    Cuban immigrants in Miami have been one of the most important voters in a per capita sense for American elections, as Florida has been the largest Swing State in some of the recent elections. With a high proportion of exiles from Castro and they still continue strong anti-communist views.

    Cuban American politicians Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Robert Menendez were leaders in the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, 15% of members. Menendez was chairman of the committee before a corruption case.

    Rubio and Menendez were some of the most pro-Ukraine politicians. It’s probably partly because of the Castro-Soviet relationship, inheriting the Cold War view from their family.

    would not be “secretly”, judging from their media, there is a lot of support for Israel. There is even a UPA flag with a start of David (oops, shouldn’t have revealed that on this forum, lol!). But they should tread carefully

    Yes, I know I watched a lot of Ukrainian television. Israel was very fashionable in Ukraine, like a lot of the postsoviet countries. I think especially Yanukovich was pro-Israel and promoted it from the top.

    I remember this video before the war in Ukraine, from an Israeli YouTuber. He couldn’t understand why there are Israel flags in the center of Kiev. https://youtu.be/jHAf8x1thsU?feature=shared&t=95.

    It’s mainly it is viewed as a development model which can be attained. For postsoviet countries, it has been an alternative model of a Western country which is not old wealth Benelux or an impossible liberalism like Sweden.

  132. @German_reader
    @Hyperborean


    It’s not funny, it’s just… weird.
     
    XYZ clearly is "on the spectrum" and has trouble with socially acceptable behavior.
    I guess it doesn't matter now, this comments section has gone to shit anyway. But I still resent him for spamming this sort of garbage. He's been told multiple times that no one else here finds it funny, yet he keeps doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    This specific comment was made in response to Anatoly Karlin, and for his attention (as well as for the attention of people who still remain Russian nationalists).

  133. @German_reader
    @LatW

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing? Why should anybody?
    The Israeli position is also logically incoherent. On the one hand they're arguing for collective guilt of Palestinians in Gaza (supposedly all of them full-blown Hamas supporters), so they can bomb the shit out of them, on the other hand they're saying someone else should take them as immigrants for "humanitarian reasons".
    Israelis made their bed by refusing to negotiate in good faith for a 2-state solution, now they can lie it. No reason at all to bail them out.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Mr. XYZ

    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing?

    For the same reason that Russia wanted more human capital by invading Ukraine? Having more people makes it easier for countries to do great things or at least to put their names on the map. If you’re saying that this won’t matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest, and yet Russia still went for it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...this won’t matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest
     
    Boy, what a chaotic mind you show. To you the Palis expelled to other Arab countries are the same as Russians who live in Ukraine? How would that work?

    The desperation is setting in. Kiev is losing the war. Israel is winning but won't be able to do the expulsion - too much global blowback. So it will be all for nothing. You sense that and twist the chaos into nonsensical analogies. Or maybe that's what is in your mind.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  134. @LatW
    @LatW



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/83/38/b18338e651160c375ff87f5ed1300813.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Interesting that the European on this postcard is relatively dark-skinned. She looks a bit like a Hindu, but with European clothing.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    It's a postcard from the 1930s. Please kindly ignore it, it wasn't for your eyes, but for silvio.

    And, yes, our men can be gorgeous looking, almost as hot as women (except they have bigger jaws), when they're young, they are more attractive than most White men on this planet, they get a little more rugged when they turn 25+ and especially 30. Yes, they are hotter than most men on this planet, excuse me that wasn't the point. The idea of this image is a young stud fighting an evil demon, it has nothing to do with ethnicities. I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings. I just love those types of visuals.

  135. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Why should Muslim states aid Israel in ethnic cleansing?
     
    For the same reason that Russia wanted more human capital by invading Ukraine? Having more people makes it easier for countries to do great things or at least to put their names on the map. If you're saying that this won't matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest, and yet Russia still went for it.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …this won’t matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest

    Boy, what a chaotic mind you show. To you the Palis expelled to other Arab countries are the same as Russians who live in Ukraine? How would that work?

    The desperation is setting in. Kiev is losing the war. Israel is winning but won’t be able to do the expulsion – too much global blowback. So it will be all for nothing. You sense that and twist the chaos into nonsensical analogies. Or maybe that’s what is in your mind.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    To you the Palis expelled to other Arab countries are the same as Russians who live in Ukraine? How would that work?
     
    Both are extra human capital for the country/countries that gets/get them. And Russia not only wanted Ukraine's Russians but also its Ukrainians. Had it only wanted Ukraine's Russians, it would have left Ukraine's January 2022 territories alone.

    https://i0.wp.com/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Russians_Ukraine_2001.PNG/640px-Russians_Ukraine_2001.PNG

    Other than Crimea and Donbass, no oblasts in Ukraine were 30% Russian or more back in 2001.
  136. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn’t require “hating” them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they’re whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what’s good for your own people.
     
    I would suggest crafting some kind of a more intricate approach - tell the Jews to drop their grievances (close the Holocaust money lobbying NGOs, we will take over the narrative and give the Jews enough respect but not allow their dominance) and pound the hell out of the Muslims / lefties (Jordan Peterson - with his dragon whatever that means - & Douglas Murray come in here).

    As a result, we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    …we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.

    It is probably too late for that. Look at the demographic numbers, this is not reversible: self-respect and striving follow the situation on the ground, not vice-versa.

    The best Europe can do is to stop the bleeding, but not reverse what has happened: London will not be an English city, Paris will not be French, and Berlin German – the numbers are baked in.

    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe – it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe. The Ukie over-reach has blown it apart. These things can’t be forced – they tried to force it and met stronger force.

    We are now in the management of consequences phase – Europe can’t go back.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    I know, it was great in 2021. I don't get who the hell needed to interfere with that.

    But at least we salvaged some of the Ukes. Please treat them with kindness.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe – it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe.
     
    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group. Remaking Germany & France is probably too much to ask. However, it could help Italy & Austria escape.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

  137. Tamil Brahmin Verbal IQ off the charts, so smooth.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    His White interviewer is completely clueless about Hinduism, Ramaswamy is a Tamil Brahmin from Kerala. This is how his society operated till the 20th century:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_Kerala#Ritual_pollution
    Europeans were also informed about his people's nature centuries ago:
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp

  138. Sher Singh says:

    https://freecanada.win/threads/26503/

    Of all decided and leaning voters, about 77.5% were white, and 22.5% were non-white.
    Liberal support skewed slightly more white than average, composed of 78.4% whites and 21.6% non-whites.
    Conservatives skewed slightly less white than average, composed of 75.8% whites and 24.2% non-whites.

    Some other results I found noteworthy are that East, South, and Southeast Asians, as well as First Nations all leaned more to the right (Conservative/PPC) than whites.

  139. https://www.hotelgyms.com/blog/alpha-progression-the-gym-logger-app-from-germany

    https://www.hotelgyms.com/blog/how-to-use-alpha-progression

    Will post full review of my own soon.

    I give it 8.5/10 so far & has been game changing.

    Takes most of the guess work & thinking out of programming so I can just train.

  140. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Interesting that the European on this postcard is relatively dark-skinned. She looks a bit like a Hindu, but with European clothing.

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    It’s a postcard from the 1930s. Please kindly ignore it, it wasn’t for your eyes, but for silvio.

    And, yes, our men can be gorgeous looking, almost as hot as women (except they have bigger jaws), when they’re young, they are more attractive than most White men on this planet, they get a little more rugged when they turn 25+ and especially 30. Yes, they are hotter than most men on this planet, excuse me that wasn’t the point. The idea of this image is a young stud fighting an evil demon, it has nothing to do with ethnicities. I apologize if I hurt anybody’s feelings. I just love those types of visuals.

  141. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.
     
    It is probably too late for that. Look at the demographic numbers, this is not reversible: self-respect and striving follow the situation on the ground, not vice-versa.

    The best Europe can do is to stop the bleeding, but not reverse what has happened: London will not be an English city, Paris will not be French, and Berlin German - the numbers are baked in.

    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe - it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe. The Ukie over-reach has blown it apart. These things can't be forced - they tried to force it and met stronger force.

    We are now in the management of consequences phase - Europe can't go back.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

    [MORE]

    I know, it was great in 2021. I don’t get who the hell needed to interfere with that.

    But at least we salvaged some of the Ukes. Please treat them with kindness.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...we salvaged some of the Ukies. Please treat them with kindness.
     
    People get treated the way they treat others, so it is not looking very good.

    And the interference...let's see, who could it be? Who was it that couldn't leave what was stable and fine and tried to move Nato there?
  142. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Interestingly, Canada is actually the country with the highest national percentage of Sikhs. (i.e. higher than India.). Which country do Sikhs have more influence over?

    BTW, I once heard a Boer claim that South Africa is the country with the most Indians outside of India, which I find really puzzling. It was recently, but perhaps that was based on 1990 numbers or something?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I was trying to get Sher Singh to explain some basic information about his religion, about his cause. There’s a community of them within Phoenix, and the one temple of theirs that I’ve seen is quite exotic and attractive, at least from the outside. I did a cursory review of their faith by reviewing information that I could find on the internet, and they looked a lot like the Baha’i faith folks, quite peaceful and good natured. Quite unlike the militant group that Singh presents to us here, ad nauseum marching with swords and guns, etc. I was just trying to reconcile the two images, and make sense of it all. You can see how that has gone for yourself.

    From other photographs of temples within Phoenix, I never see anyone carrying a sword or a rifle? Perhaps, Sher Singh actually belongs to some sort of other militant secular formation? Apparently, we’ll never find out. 🙁

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Mr. Hack


    https://youtu.be/x6RS7AV3qM4?si=vt2TFKxhLUvkN6IZ

    https://youtu.be/EOXmcKJ6gK0?si=UqcDIqzZUsv5sAgC

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  143. https://en.topwar.ru/230564-dejstvujuschij-oficer-ukrainskih-vvs-sbezhal-v-rossiju.html

    Ukrainian fighter pilot reportedly defects to Russia with his aircraft. It seems to have been pre-arranged, so he did not get shot down.

  144. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I was trying to get Sher Singh to explain some basic information about his religion, about his cause. There's a community of them within Phoenix, and the one temple of theirs that I've seen is quite exotic and attractive, at least from the outside. I did a cursory review of their faith by reviewing information that I could find on the internet, and they looked a lot like the Baha'i faith folks, quite peaceful and good natured. Quite unlike the militant group that Singh presents to us here, ad nauseum marching with swords and guns, etc. I was just trying to reconcile the two images, and make sense of it all. You can see how that has gone for yourself.

    https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=664x10000:format=jpg/path/s7acc5c75e471a48d/image/icd3bf009c964f510/version/1523943997/image.jpg
    From other photographs of temples within Phoenix, I never see anyone carrying a sword or a rifle? Perhaps, Sher Singh actually belongs to some sort of other militant secular formation? Apparently, we'll never find out. :-(

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Yes, these seem to be the good and peaceful Sikhs, that reach out to all within their larger community and perform acts of charity. Do they square up with the ones that Sher Singh so often exhibits here?

    https://youtu.be/xg3C2e3uNLE
    After a long hard day at the soup kitchen, Singh and his buddies like to unwind and let off some steam by conducting war games in their neighborhood?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  145. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that – who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren’t hiding in basements. One of my cousin’s husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn’t need him. He’s working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn’t want to go to the army.
     
    Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).
     
    A future MAGA-style US President can try shutting down any US military bases in Ukraine in an attempt to improve US relations with Russia, no? Vivek would certainly do it in a heartbeat.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    > Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    Yes – that was clear even a year ago. https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1619347222830923778

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives. Ukraine’s problems with getting additional manpower isn’t some big secret and is getting covered by Western MSM. It stands to logic – once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded, the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged “losers”. So at this point I’m rather doubtful 80-90% Ukrainian war support will survive another major mobilization wave which will of necessity now have to be much more coercive than the earlier ones.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You make some good points here Anatoly, however, it probably wont be just "middle-aged losers" that they'll be looking for, but productive ones that fill the ranks of the professional classes too. More exciting stories of those that choose to flee, no doubt.

    Do you pay much heed to internationalist conspiracy theories like the one put out by your fellow blogger, Rurik Skywalker’s” (Rolo Slavskiy) “The Slavland Chronicles within Substack that point to secretive international forces that are behind state-sponsored Islamification effort in Russia? He claims that this is all just "further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people."? Do you buy this or not?

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    BTW, I'm now pairing my hot sauce consumption with straight peppers now. There's just something about those little red torpedos that need no augmentation! :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives.
     
    Admittedly, I don't have any family in Kharkiv or Odessa; I'm in touch with one cousin in Poltava oblast but everyone else I know is in western or central Ukraine. I don't think my relatives are more patriotic than their neighbors or peers - if anything, less so. One of my uncles married the daughter of a Russian officer stationed in Lviv so some of my Lviv relatives are half-Russian (the half-Russians, having grown up in Lviv, speak Ukrainian as their first language - so assimilation can go both ways, depending on the environment) and the oldest one studied in Moscow right before the USSR fell apart before returning home. I have a strong historical heritage of Russophilia from my Galician side.

    They are all disgusted by what Russia has done and strongly support Ukraine's war effort..

    So they are from the more patriotic parts of the country but they are not more patriotic than their region overall is.


    once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded
     
    I think you are mixing up two types of people:

    1. The types of people who would volunteer and ask to go to the front.

    2. The types of people who would not volunteer and ask to go the front, but would not try to evade the draft if called up and asked to serve, and will work until called (Ukraine needs workers, too).

    Type (1) have probably mostly gotten into the army by now. Some of the ones such as in Lviv are kept in reserve. They are not mostly dead or wounded, but of course many are, and many of the wounded from this category have recovered and gone back.

    But Ukraine has millions more of (2) people who have not been in the army and are living their lives until they get called to serve. My male relatives mostly fall into category (2). They have no plans to leave Ukraine during the war or to try to do so.

    Type (3) would be the draft dodgers.

    The rate of draft dodging seems to be around 30%.

    It is unfair to frontload the casualties onto types (1) and (2) so it is necessary to catch the draft dodgers.


    the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged “losers”
     
    The average age of people in the Ukrainian army is 43.

    The median age of Ukraine's population is 40.5.

    It isn't too far off the general population.

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    To Mikel: I was mistaken when I wrote 80% would serve, in my other post (I did say, it was what I thought, not that I had been certain). As I mentioned above, draft evasion suggests 70% would.

    As for morality of the draft - if the majority of the country agree to go to war and for conscription, it makes sense for even the unwilling to have to go, barring some legitimate religious exemption. Just as everyone pays taxes even if they personally disagree with funding the police or roads or whatever (and go to prison if they refuse), so everyone goes to war if society agrees to defend itself.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What about Ukraine relying much more on drones in future military operations of its? I suspect that the West would be very eager to help Ukraine develop drones. It's pretty cheap financially and can also save a lot of Ukrainian manpower, no? And couldn't drones be combined with AI in the long-run? The West is, of course, a global leader in AI development.

    As a side note, what specifically makes conscription less moral for Ukraine in 2022 than for the various participants in WWI in the 1910s? You could say that morals evolved, but that's only partially true. Even several Western countries nowadays still have conscription, and the ones that don't have NATO's protection, so they don't really need conscription any longer. Had the political and military situation in Europe right now been as unstable as it was in, say, the interwar era, I suspect that many more European countries would have had conscription. And the US was able to avoid conscription in Afghanistan and Iraq because it had a sufficiently large pool of military volunteers AND could offer various perks to get more volunteers. This, combined with the relatively low-tech of the enemies whom the US was fighting in these places, allowed the US to avoid conscription when fighting them, unlike when it was fighting, say, the Norks or the Vietnamese Communists during the Cold War.

    As a side note, it seems like eastern and southern Ukrainians became almost as pro-EU as central and western Ukrainians did, and not quite as pro-NATO but still much more pro-NATO than anti-NATO nowadays, but also with eastern and southern Ukrainians still being much less willing to fight for their country (at least without them being forced to do so, in which case I suspect that some of them would acquiesce) than central and western Ukrainians are. So, it seems like passivity is a trait that still remains in eastern and southern Ukrainians, but with their default mode being shifted from moderately pro-Russian (similar to Canada's relationship with the US) in early 2014 to rather strongly pro-Western by late 2023.

    Replies: @A123

  146. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the "shock and disbelief" of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like "post-cult recovery". Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.

    It's only after I was outside Russia about 5 years, I was starting to think how strange a lot of the culture and views they were promoting.

    I always had a feeling he was trolling until 2022 as kind of art project. After he attacks us in 2022, it seemed I was incorrect. So, it is possible he was a victim of the kremlin marketing project which was targeting people with the far-left/far-right views. This kremlin marketing was designed for the people in the far part of the horseshoe in the theory of the horseshoe.

    I discussed about it last thread. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6265508

    -

    After 1991, one of the main raisons d'êtres of the politics has been to move from Moscow to London without people tracing your money from either side.

    If marketing created by the postsoviet space was powerful enough. it will have unpredicted effects like a leftwing person of color in London immigrating in the incorrect direction from London to Moscow to be, a "Russian nationalist", which is a customized pro-government imperialism using views originally created by the KGB to confuse late soviet people in the 1970s/1980s.

    Perhaps you could imagine something similar with "Nigerian prince" marketing projects. The raison d'être of the Nigerian prince marketing project is someone in the developed country transfers money to you.

    But if you use too much creative talent in the Nigerian prince marketing, some people will become fans of the stories. They could write articles about the data from the Nigerian princes, using graphs. They could begin analyzing the architecture of different castles of Nigerian princes.

    Visually talented people could painting pictures of the Nigerians princes. Some of these pictures will have creative value. The stories created by the Nigerian prince marketing could even have a kind of independent fertile culture.

    But, the raison d'être was still the money transfer. And in a large part of the postsoviet space it has been always bank accounts in Switzerland and the apartments in Knightsbridge.

    If you explain this to people who believed in the Nigerian prince, they could perhaps not accept it. If they don't accept it, it will require some time for them to recover their rationality.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

    There’s no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing “thought” has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe’s teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.
     
    About as realistic as your previous fantasy about a Russian space empire. The idea that network states could ever move beyond mostly irrelevant social clubs and eventually establish control over physical spaces, even very limited ones, is preposterous. Existing states would jealously guard their monopoly of force and mercilessly crush any such attempts.
    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic "Abolish all states through mass immigration, they're only systems of oppression anyway", good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true. I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    , @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://youtu.be/pKKmzmeU5-0?si=MMeofHJuYnuNUTyE

    , @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I expect serious cognitive dissonance for many people when Russia eventually reaches a military resolution in Ukraine which Kremlin powers-that-be can live with. In my view this turning point will be about Russia gaining some measure of control over the West versus Russia project and not really about Russia versus Ukraine (disease versus symptom).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.
     
    I now officially award you the title Anatoly, Lord of Bitopia. Bitopia is a network state with an official currency of Bitcoin and with the official channel of BitChute:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute

    Pro-Western Rightoids can remain and/or become GAE-Lords, as in, Lords of the Greater American Empire.
  147. @LatW
    @Beckow

    I know, it was great in 2021. I don't get who the hell needed to interfere with that.

    But at least we salvaged some of the Ukes. Please treat them with kindness.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …we salvaged some of the Ukies. Please treat them with kindness.

    People get treated the way they treat others, so it is not looking very good.

    And the interference…let’s see, who could it be? Who was it that couldn’t leave what was stable and fine and tried to move Nato there?

  148. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    There's no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing "thought" has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe's teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    About as realistic as your previous fantasy about a Russian space empire. The idea that network states could ever move beyond mostly irrelevant social clubs and eventually establish control over physical spaces, even very limited ones, is preposterous. Existing states would jealously guard their monopoly of force and mercilessly crush any such attempts.
    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic “Abolish all states through mass immigration, they’re only systems of oppression anyway”, good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true. I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic “Abolish all states through mass immigration, they’re only systems of oppression anyway”, good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true.

    The globalists still haven't explain why Somalia hasn't become a multi-cultural paradise.

    1. Importing Somalis is good for the economy
    2. Somalia leads the world in Somalis
    3. Somalia should soon become a first world country thanks to its monopolized Somali supply

    I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    Transhumanist = Latest White trend to deny reality of race but this time with a blend of sci-fi fantasy and libertarian economics

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader

    You are of course right about AK's need to show some contrition to be taken seriously after his spectacular u-turn. But perhaps you should just ignore all his dubious attempts at rationalizing his position and focus on the El Burro de Tijuana hypothetical timeline he posted yesterday. To be honest, it's a convincing case for a radical change of opinions. In such a scenario it is easy to imagine countless Americans also flipping out, stopping to believe in their country altogether and finding new ideological foundations for their lives. Only they wouldn't change their gender identity as well. That was probably a step too far by AK.

    Replies: @German_reader

  149. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @Mr. Hack


    https://youtu.be/x6RS7AV3qM4?si=vt2TFKxhLUvkN6IZ

    https://youtu.be/EOXmcKJ6gK0?si=UqcDIqzZUsv5sAgC

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yes, these seem to be the good and peaceful Sikhs, that reach out to all within their larger community and perform acts of charity. Do they square up with the ones that Sher Singh so often exhibits here?

    After a long hard day at the soup kitchen, Singh and his buddies like to unwind and let off some steam by conducting war games in their neighborhood?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    good and peaceful Sikhs
     
    This is why you're weird & sick + I wouldn't let you around kids.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  150. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    There's no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing "thought" has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe's teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    • LOL: Mikhail
  151. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    The issue is also that not everyone in the countries that you call “SJW Globalist” countries would support this. Those people have a right of say, too.
     
    Of course they get to have a say. But for a123 it's not about that. For him it's always about what is best for jews. I'm not going to bother accusing him of being one (just like in gym culture, anyone bigger than you is "obviously" on gear, on race forums, anyone disagreeing with you is "obviously" a jew - not a good look), but it's clear that is his chief concern no matter what the issue is. (Nukes are headed to both Munich and Tel Aviv; he can only spare one, which does he choose? His answer is as automatically the latter at any true Euro-firster's answer would automatically be the former. End of discussion.)

    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who'd propound the demented thesis that "Soros is a muslim"? Or the nearly equally demented "sjw islam" thesis? (Yeah, that's the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets - they're just too damn leftist, got it.) If I were moderating this forum, I would have banned this obvious troll on day one.

    Lastly, anyone giving the fuckest of fucks about jewish or israeli wellbeing is at best at a very high risk of becoming a fucking idiot, just begging to be taken for a ride - if they're not already there. Sorry, but that is the harsh reality. These people care overwhelmingly about themselves, not about outsiders. I recommend the rest of us reciprocate. That doesn't require "hating" them, just being indifferent to their whatever the latest problem they're whining about is, or at least viewing it through the lens of what's good for your own people.

    And lastly lastly, if some politico's opinion on a mere ceasefire is reason enough to dump muzzes on that country, then what of decades-long (domestic) jewish as well as (specifically) israeli interference in eurosphere politics? Fair's fair would require euros to be screaming to complete the shoah. Something for the troll to ponder.

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.)

    A123 expresses it in colourful terms but there is something in this idea. In France it’s more formally recognised as ‘Islamo-Gauchisme’. In the UK the left-wing and progressives is more likely to want to offer special protections and support to Muslims (like putting Islamophobia concept into the law), favour Muslim immigration and so on. In turn the Muslim community provides solid political support for the left wing party. It has a real impact; in the UK the local councils run by the left wing party helped cover up the grooming gangs for years.

    There is some useful analysis of the logic behind Islamo-Gauchisme in that Pascal Bruckner book I mentioned on the other thread. Muslims are seen as part of the coalition of the oppressed and therefore can be useful allies in the struggle to overturn white European bourgeois civilisation. Sartre sort of talks about this in the intro he wrote to ‘White Masks…’ as well.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    It seems to have created serious tensions in the French left though, iirc Melenchon got a lot of criticism recently when he refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist group. So one wonders how stable that coalition is going to be.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @silviosilver
    @Coconuts

    The troll a123 is presenting sjw-ism as originating from Islam. Obviously it's not.

    , @A123
    @Coconuts

    Not only are Muslims in America left, they are violent left. The connection between Muslims, BLM, riots, etc. is inescapable. I certainly would not want to encounter a pack of them on the street. I sincerely doubt silvio would either. I am not sure why he is trolling me (shrug). He does provide comic relief though.

     
    https://myfox28columbus.com/resources/media2/16x9/full/1500/center/80/d52b0056-b6c6-4dfe-8be5-a146b454d51d-jumbo16x9_bflag.png
     

    In America it is more than an alliance. It is an eternal bond. The DNC is so passionate about Islam, they are actively driving Jews out. I previously posted a picture of the 🏳️‍🌈🇵🇸 flags outside Rashida Tlaib's office.

    Can you name any federal or state Muslim office holder who is not also SJW / pro LGBT? I live here and I cannot.

    PEACE 😇

  152. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.)
     
    A123 expresses it in colourful terms but there is something in this idea. In France it's more formally recognised as 'Islamo-Gauchisme'. In the UK the left-wing and progressives is more likely to want to offer special protections and support to Muslims (like putting Islamophobia concept into the law), favour Muslim immigration and so on. In turn the Muslim community provides solid political support for the left wing party. It has a real impact; in the UK the local councils run by the left wing party helped cover up the grooming gangs for years.

    There is some useful analysis of the logic behind Islamo-Gauchisme in that Pascal Bruckner book I mentioned on the other thread. Muslims are seen as part of the coalition of the oppressed and therefore can be useful allies in the struggle to overturn white European bourgeois civilisation. Sartre sort of talks about this in the intro he wrote to 'White Masks...' as well.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123

    It seems to have created serious tensions in the French left though, iirc Melenchon got a lot of criticism recently when he refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist group. So one wonders how stable that coalition is going to be.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    So one wonders how stable that coalition is going to be.
     
    I would guess it is going to get more volatile. France seems to be further into the polarisation process than the UK is.
  153. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    > Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    Yes - that was clear even a year ago. https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1619347222830923778

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives. Ukraine's problems with getting additional manpower isn't some big secret and is getting covered by Western MSM. It stands to logic - once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded, the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged "losers". So at this point I'm rather doubtful 80-90% Ukrainian war support will survive another major mobilization wave which will of necessity now have to be much more coercive than the earlier ones.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    You make some good points here Anatoly, however, it probably wont be just “middle-aged losers” that they’ll be looking for, but productive ones that fill the ranks of the professional classes too. More exciting stories of those that choose to flee, no doubt.

    Do you pay much heed to internationalist conspiracy theories like the one put out by your fellow blogger, Rurik Skywalker’s” (Rolo Slavskiy) “The Slavland Chronicles within Substack that point to secretive international forces that are behind state-sponsored Islamification effort in Russia? He claims that this is all just “further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people.”? Do you buy this or not?

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    BTW, I’m now pairing my hot sauce consumption with straight peppers now. There’s just something about those little red torpedos that need no augmentation! 🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    It's cleverly concealed stealthy Cosmism.

    https://thothermes.com/episodes/s10-e4-silver-age-russian-rosicrucians-charlotte-cowell/

    Boy is Lenin in for a surprise when they resurrect that dude. The movie could be really great though.

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Interesting upon quick perusal, along with some agreeable (not all) observations. Something like Saker?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  154. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.)
     
    A123 expresses it in colourful terms but there is something in this idea. In France it's more formally recognised as 'Islamo-Gauchisme'. In the UK the left-wing and progressives is more likely to want to offer special protections and support to Muslims (like putting Islamophobia concept into the law), favour Muslim immigration and so on. In turn the Muslim community provides solid political support for the left wing party. It has a real impact; in the UK the local councils run by the left wing party helped cover up the grooming gangs for years.

    There is some useful analysis of the logic behind Islamo-Gauchisme in that Pascal Bruckner book I mentioned on the other thread. Muslims are seen as part of the coalition of the oppressed and therefore can be useful allies in the struggle to overturn white European bourgeois civilisation. Sartre sort of talks about this in the intro he wrote to 'White Masks...' as well.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123

    The troll a123 is presenting sjw-ism as originating from Islam. Obviously it’s not.

    • Agree: Coconuts
    • LOL: A123
  155. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You make some good points here Anatoly, however, it probably wont be just "middle-aged losers" that they'll be looking for, but productive ones that fill the ranks of the professional classes too. More exciting stories of those that choose to flee, no doubt.

    Do you pay much heed to internationalist conspiracy theories like the one put out by your fellow blogger, Rurik Skywalker’s” (Rolo Slavskiy) “The Slavland Chronicles within Substack that point to secretive international forces that are behind state-sponsored Islamification effort in Russia? He claims that this is all just "further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people."? Do you buy this or not?

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    BTW, I'm now pairing my hot sauce consumption with straight peppers now. There's just something about those little red torpedos that need no augmentation! :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail

    It’s cleverly concealed stealthy Cosmism.

    https://thothermes.com/episodes/s10-e4-silver-age-russian-rosicrucians-charlotte-cowell/

    Boy is Lenin in for a surprise when they resurrect that dude. The movie could be really great though.

  156. @Coconuts
    @silviosilver


    Furthermore, why take seriously anyone who’d propound the demented thesis that “Soros is a muslim”? Or the nearly equally demented “sjw islam” thesis? (Yeah, that’s the big problem when westerners encounter a pack of muzzes on their streets – they’re just too damn leftist, got it.)
     
    A123 expresses it in colourful terms but there is something in this idea. In France it's more formally recognised as 'Islamo-Gauchisme'. In the UK the left-wing and progressives is more likely to want to offer special protections and support to Muslims (like putting Islamophobia concept into the law), favour Muslim immigration and so on. In turn the Muslim community provides solid political support for the left wing party. It has a real impact; in the UK the local councils run by the left wing party helped cover up the grooming gangs for years.

    There is some useful analysis of the logic behind Islamo-Gauchisme in that Pascal Bruckner book I mentioned on the other thread. Muslims are seen as part of the coalition of the oppressed and therefore can be useful allies in the struggle to overturn white European bourgeois civilisation. Sartre sort of talks about this in the intro he wrote to 'White Masks...' as well.

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver, @A123

    Not only are Muslims in America left, they are violent left. The connection between Muslims, BLM, riots, etc. is inescapable. I certainly would not want to encounter a pack of them on the street. I sincerely doubt silvio would either. I am not sure why he is trolling me (shrug). He does provide comic relief though.

      

    In America it is more than an alliance. It is an eternal bond. The DNC is so passionate about Islam, they are actively driving Jews out. I previously posted a picture of the 🏳️‍🌈🇵🇸 flags outside Rashida Tlaib’s office.

    Can you name any federal or state Muslim office holder who is not also SJW / pro LGBT? I live here and I cannot.

    PEACE 😇

  157. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...we Euros, win and revert to our normal, natural condition of self-respect and our ever continuous striving for eudaimonia.
     
    It is probably too late for that. Look at the demographic numbers, this is not reversible: self-respect and striving follow the situation on the ground, not vice-versa.

    The best Europe can do is to stop the bleeding, but not reverse what has happened: London will not be an English city, Paris will not be French, and Berlin German - the numbers are baked in.

    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe - it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe. The Ukie over-reach has blown it apart. These things can't be forced - they tried to force it and met stronger force.

    We are now in the management of consequences phase - Europe can't go back.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe – it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe.

    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group. Remaking Germany & France is probably too much to ask. However, it could help Italy & Austria escape.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.
     
    Eastern Europe is no longer a "group", if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians - you can see it even here. Some hate them with a passion that is almost incomprehensible, others don't. It has polarized the region and has been our problem historically. It holds us back.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia. We were the original area Westies and Turks colonized. Russia was the unmovable barrier that kept it from becoming permanent. But others have other ideas, some like being a Western appendage, others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles. I think we are basically f..ed...

    Replies: @AP

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.

    I don't see Russia bouncing back for years and they will drag down Belarus.

    A free Ukraine will attract all the companies that were headquartered in Russia.

    It will be viewed as a safer investment when compared to Russia. No reason to re-open in Russia when you can hire Russian speaking Ukrainians. No reason to wait and see what kind of mafia government the Russians will support next.

    Russians have proven yet again that they will tolerate any autocracy even if it sends their sons off to the front. First the Tsars, then the Bolsheviks and now a midget mafia. The West has gone back to viewing Russians as Europe's losers. The populace will put up with anything and wise leaders like Gorbachev are always in short supply. It's in their DNA to bow their heads to the government. They're uncomfortable with democracy and would rather be "not interested in politics" even if they eventually die freezing in a trench.

    Replies: @A123

  158. @A123
    @Beckow


    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe – it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe.
     
    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group. Remaking Germany & France is probably too much to ask. However, it could help Italy & Austria escape.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

    …allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.

    Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians – you can see it even here. Some hate them with a passion that is almost incomprehensible, others don’t. It has polarized the region and has been our problem historically. It holds us back.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia. We were the original area Westies and Turks colonized. Russia was the unmovable barrier that kept it from becoming permanent. But others have other ideas, some like being a Western appendage, others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles. I think we are basically f..ed…

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians
     
    With respect to attitude towards the Russian invaders, 80% are on one side (Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Czechs), and the Hungarians and their Slovak servants are on the other. Belarusisans are nearly all Russified, they count as Russians. The Belarusians that aren't Russified are on the Ukrainian side, of course.

    Romania also support Ukraine but I think that is the Balkans already.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia.
     
    It exists the despite the existence of Russia. Russia have been happy to Novgorod them, if it could. It has successfully destroyed/assimilated most of the Belarusian people. It nearly did so to the Latvians and Estonians.

    It made efforts to try to assimilate Ukrainians and even Poles but failed.

    Your deep ignorance is showing.

    The state that did preserve these small nations and provide them a place in which to develop is the one you hate - that of the Hapsburgs.

    others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles
     
    What you call a mini-empire is the collection of independent smallish states who preserve their cultural heritage.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

  159. I dislike Jews’ immense effrontery in so many things but why do kebabs always have to be so galaxybrained? Do they have zero understanding of the international shipping industry or are they intentionally trying to piss off as many countries as possible?

    A cargo ship partially owned by an Israeli businessman was hijacked by Yemen’s Houthi rebels in the Red Sea on Sunday, Israel confirmed on Sunday, accusing Iran of directing the maritime piracy.

    The cargo ship, Bahamas-flagged Galaxy Leader, was leased from a British company partly owned by Israeli Rami Unger to a Japanese company.

    The ship left a port in Turkey headed for India and sailed under the flag of the Bahamas.

    The Foreign Ministry said it was aware of the incident.

    On board the ship are 25 crew members of different nationalities, including Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Filipinos, and Mexicans. No Israelis were onboard, the ministry said.

    https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-774045

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Hyperborean

    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  160. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.
     
    About as realistic as your previous fantasy about a Russian space empire. The idea that network states could ever move beyond mostly irrelevant social clubs and eventually establish control over physical spaces, even very limited ones, is preposterous. Existing states would jealously guard their monopoly of force and mercilessly crush any such attempts.
    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic "Abolish all states through mass immigration, they're only systems of oppression anyway", good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true. I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic “Abolish all states through mass immigration, they’re only systems of oppression anyway”, good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true.

    The globalists still haven’t explain why Somalia hasn’t become a multi-cultural paradise.

    1. Importing Somalis is good for the economy
    2. Somalia leads the world in Somalis
    3. Somalia should soon become a first world country thanks to its monopolized Somali supply

    I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    Transhumanist = Latest White trend to deny reality of race but this time with a blend of sci-fi fantasy and libertarian economics

  161. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    > Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    Yes - that was clear even a year ago. https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1619347222830923778

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives. Ukraine's problems with getting additional manpower isn't some big secret and is getting covered by Western MSM. It stands to logic - once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded, the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged "losers". So at this point I'm rather doubtful 80-90% Ukrainian war support will survive another major mobilization wave which will of necessity now have to be much more coercive than the earlier ones.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives.

    Admittedly, I don’t have any family in Kharkiv or Odessa; I’m in touch with one cousin in Poltava oblast but everyone else I know is in western or central Ukraine. I don’t think my relatives are more patriotic than their neighbors or peers – if anything, less so. One of my uncles married the daughter of a Russian officer stationed in Lviv so some of my Lviv relatives are half-Russian (the half-Russians, having grown up in Lviv, speak Ukrainian as their first language – so assimilation can go both ways, depending on the environment) and the oldest one studied in Moscow right before the USSR fell apart before returning home. I have a strong historical heritage of Russophilia from my Galician side.

    They are all disgusted by what Russia has done and strongly support Ukraine’s war effort..

    So they are from the more patriotic parts of the country but they are not more patriotic than their region overall is.

    once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded

    I think you are mixing up two types of people:

    1. The types of people who would volunteer and ask to go to the front.

    2. The types of people who would not volunteer and ask to go the front, but would not try to evade the draft if called up and asked to serve, and will work until called (Ukraine needs workers, too).

    Type (1) have probably mostly gotten into the army by now. Some of the ones such as in Lviv are kept in reserve. They are not mostly dead or wounded, but of course many are, and many of the wounded from this category have recovered and gone back.

    But Ukraine has millions more of (2) people who have not been in the army and are living their lives until they get called to serve. My male relatives mostly fall into category (2). They have no plans to leave Ukraine during the war or to try to do so.

    Type (3) would be the draft dodgers.

    The rate of draft dodging seems to be around 30%.

    It is unfair to frontload the casualties onto types (1) and (2) so it is necessary to catch the draft dodgers.

    the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged “losers”

    The average age of people in the Ukrainian army is 43.

    The median age of Ukraine’s population is 40.5.

    It isn’t too far off the general population.

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    To Mikel: I was mistaken when I wrote 80% would serve, in my other post (I did say, it was what I thought, not that I had been certain). As I mentioned above, draft evasion suggests 70% would.

    As for morality of the draft – if the majority of the country agree to go to war and for conscription, it makes sense for even the unwilling to have to go, barring some legitimate religious exemption. Just as everyone pays taxes even if they personally disagree with funding the police or roads or whatever (and go to prison if they refuse), so everyone goes to war if society agrees to defend itself.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    It should be noted that Ukraine follows the European rule whereby if you are seriously injured then your service requirement is complete. They can take part in training other soldiers but will be discouraged from returning to the front.

    Statistically most drafted men will survive and have the chance to breed. Probably around 60% but we won't know the actual stats until the war is over.

    Modern warfare is dysgenic but not as bad as the Napolean wars. A huge chunk of French men never returned home. Even if you lost a leg in battle you were still expected to stay with the army and hobble around Europe while working some other job.

    WW1 was extremely dysgenic and especially to the Allies. Britain basically lined up their warrior upper class in front of German machine guns. Their trained warriors were killed before the generals realized that sending waves of men at machine guns really was a dumb idea. Survival rates were low given that a wounded man would have to be dragged off the battlefield before the artillery returned.

    Replies: @AP

  162. German_reader says:
    @Hyperborean
    I dislike Jews' immense effrontery in so many things but why do kebabs always have to be so galaxybrained? Do they have zero understanding of the international shipping industry or are they intentionally trying to piss off as many countries as possible?

    A cargo ship partially owned by an Israeli businessman was hijacked by Yemen’s Houthi rebels in the Red Sea on Sunday, Israel confirmed on Sunday, accusing Iran of directing the maritime piracy.

    The cargo ship, Bahamas-flagged Galaxy Leader, was leased from a British company partly owned by Israeli Rami Unger to a Japanese company.

    The ship left a port in Turkey headed for India and sailed under the flag of the Bahamas.

    The Foreign Ministry said it was aware of the incident.

    On board the ship are 25 crew members of different nationalities, including Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Filipinos, and Mexicans. No Israelis were onboard, the ministry said.
     

    https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-774045

    Replies: @German_reader

    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @German_reader


    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?
     
    I doubt they care much about the suffering of the average people of their country, might even help recruitment if they get bombed again. But this specific scenario is so cartoonishly provocative yet useless you'd think it was cooked up by Hollywood screenwriters. Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.

    Replies: @LatW

  163. @A123
    @Beckow


    The main consequence of the Ukr. war is massive weakening of Eastern Europe – it will revert back to a kind of backwater. In 2014 the east was rising fast and there was a chance that it would remake Europe.
     
    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group. Remaking Germany & France is probably too much to ask. However, it could help Italy & Austria escape.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.

    I don’t see Russia bouncing back for years and they will drag down Belarus.

    A free Ukraine will attract all the companies that were headquartered in Russia.

    It will be viewed as a safer investment when compared to Russia. No reason to re-open in Russia when you can hire Russian speaking Ukrainians. No reason to wait and see what kind of mafia government the Russians will support next.

    Russians have proven yet again that they will tolerate any autocracy even if it sends their sons off to the front. First the Tsars, then the Bolsheviks and now a midget mafia. The West has gone back to viewing Russians as Europe’s losers. The populace will put up with anything and wise leaders like Gorbachev are always in short supply. It’s in their DNA to bow their heads to the government. They’re uncomfortable with democracy and would rather be “not interested in politics” even if they eventually die freezing in a trench.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty -- Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty -- Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  164. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives.
     
    Admittedly, I don't have any family in Kharkiv or Odessa; I'm in touch with one cousin in Poltava oblast but everyone else I know is in western or central Ukraine. I don't think my relatives are more patriotic than their neighbors or peers - if anything, less so. One of my uncles married the daughter of a Russian officer stationed in Lviv so some of my Lviv relatives are half-Russian (the half-Russians, having grown up in Lviv, speak Ukrainian as their first language - so assimilation can go both ways, depending on the environment) and the oldest one studied in Moscow right before the USSR fell apart before returning home. I have a strong historical heritage of Russophilia from my Galician side.

    They are all disgusted by what Russia has done and strongly support Ukraine's war effort..

    So they are from the more patriotic parts of the country but they are not more patriotic than their region overall is.


    once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded
     
    I think you are mixing up two types of people:

    1. The types of people who would volunteer and ask to go to the front.

    2. The types of people who would not volunteer and ask to go the front, but would not try to evade the draft if called up and asked to serve, and will work until called (Ukraine needs workers, too).

    Type (1) have probably mostly gotten into the army by now. Some of the ones such as in Lviv are kept in reserve. They are not mostly dead or wounded, but of course many are, and many of the wounded from this category have recovered and gone back.

    But Ukraine has millions more of (2) people who have not been in the army and are living their lives until they get called to serve. My male relatives mostly fall into category (2). They have no plans to leave Ukraine during the war or to try to do so.

    Type (3) would be the draft dodgers.

    The rate of draft dodging seems to be around 30%.

    It is unfair to frontload the casualties onto types (1) and (2) so it is necessary to catch the draft dodgers.


    the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged “losers”
     
    The average age of people in the Ukrainian army is 43.

    The median age of Ukraine's population is 40.5.

    It isn't too far off the general population.

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    To Mikel: I was mistaken when I wrote 80% would serve, in my other post (I did say, it was what I thought, not that I had been certain). As I mentioned above, draft evasion suggests 70% would.

    As for morality of the draft - if the majority of the country agree to go to war and for conscription, it makes sense for even the unwilling to have to go, barring some legitimate religious exemption. Just as everyone pays taxes even if they personally disagree with funding the police or roads or whatever (and go to prison if they refuse), so everyone goes to war if society agrees to defend itself.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    It should be noted that Ukraine follows the European rule whereby if you are seriously injured then your service requirement is complete. They can take part in training other soldiers but will be discouraged from returning to the front.

    Statistically most drafted men will survive and have the chance to breed. Probably around 60% but we won’t know the actual stats until the war is over.

    Modern warfare is dysgenic but not as bad as the Napolean wars. A huge chunk of French men never returned home. Even if you lost a leg in battle you were still expected to stay with the army and hobble around Europe while working some other job.

    WW1 was extremely dysgenic and especially to the Allies. Britain basically lined up their warrior upper class in front of German machine guns. Their trained warriors were killed before the generals realized that sending waves of men at machine guns really was a dumb idea. Survival rates were low given that a wounded man would have to be dragged off the battlefield before the artillery returned.

    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson


    It should be noted that Ukraine follows the European rule whereby if you are seriously injured then your service requirement is complete. They can take part in training other soldiers but will be discouraged from returning to the front.
     
    Correct, but some of the guys who have for example lost one of their legs demand to go back (if the amputation is below the knee and they have a good prosthetic some form of duty is possible). Some of them operate drones.
  165. @German_reader
    @Hyperborean

    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?

    I doubt they care much about the suffering of the average people of their country, might even help recruitment if they get bombed again. But this specific scenario is so cartoonishly provocative yet useless you’d think it was cooked up by Hollywood screenwriters. Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Hyperborean


    Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.
     
    Maybe they're just doing what feels good to them, without any rational reason (except, "We're hurting Israel", since they themselves believe that).

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  166. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Ukraine takes volunteers of all ages, but for mobilization it has focused on older men, ones who already have families (and in particular, those who have already served, such as during 2014-2022). This is better for long-term demographics. As tragic as it is to lose a 40 year old father of 2, it is worse for Ukraine to lose a 20 year old man before he has had a chance to have a couple of children. The latter results in a future demographic loss of 3 people, versus 1.

    It should be noted that Ukraine follows the European rule whereby if you are seriously injured then your service requirement is complete. They can take part in training other soldiers but will be discouraged from returning to the front.

    Statistically most drafted men will survive and have the chance to breed. Probably around 60% but we won't know the actual stats until the war is over.

    Modern warfare is dysgenic but not as bad as the Napolean wars. A huge chunk of French men never returned home. Even if you lost a leg in battle you were still expected to stay with the army and hobble around Europe while working some other job.

    WW1 was extremely dysgenic and especially to the Allies. Britain basically lined up their warrior upper class in front of German machine guns. Their trained warriors were killed before the generals realized that sending waves of men at machine guns really was a dumb idea. Survival rates were low given that a wounded man would have to be dragged off the battlefield before the artillery returned.

    Replies: @AP

    It should be noted that Ukraine follows the European rule whereby if you are seriously injured then your service requirement is complete. They can take part in training other soldiers but will be discouraged from returning to the front.

    Correct, but some of the guys who have for example lost one of their legs demand to go back (if the amputation is below the knee and they have a good prosthetic some form of duty is possible). Some of them operate drones.

  167. Epic drone vs bus video
    https://funker530.com/video/fpv-terrorizes-russian-battle-bus-before-strike/

    At 0:07 you can see the passenger f-ck up and drop his magazine. Probably didn’t have it in all the way.

    I’m surprised they aren’t taking shotguns in vehicles. Would give you a much better chance at hitting a flying object.

  168. @Mr. Hack
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Yes, these seem to be the good and peaceful Sikhs, that reach out to all within their larger community and perform acts of charity. Do they square up with the ones that Sher Singh so often exhibits here?

    https://youtu.be/xg3C2e3uNLE
    After a long hard day at the soup kitchen, Singh and his buddies like to unwind and let off some steam by conducting war games in their neighborhood?

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    good and peaceful Sikhs

    This is why you’re weird & sick + I wouldn’t let you around kids.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Is it my fault that you're unable to write anything cogent that helps explain the seeming differences found within your religious movement? Did you watch any of the clips within Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere's comment #146? A Sikh soup kitchen designed to help feed those less fortunate. Now look at the Rambo/rocket launcher type clips tht you regularly show us within your comments. If you have nothing more to say on the topic, I'm about to cut it off and you can return to doing your bench presses.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  169. @Beckow
    @A123


    ...allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.
     
    Eastern Europe is no longer a "group", if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians - you can see it even here. Some hate them with a passion that is almost incomprehensible, others don't. It has polarized the region and has been our problem historically. It holds us back.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia. We were the original area Westies and Turks colonized. Russia was the unmovable barrier that kept it from becoming permanent. But others have other ideas, some like being a Western appendage, others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles. I think we are basically f..ed...

    Replies: @AP

    Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians

    With respect to attitude towards the Russian invaders, 80% are on one side (Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Czechs), and the Hungarians and their Slovak servants are on the other. Belarusisans are nearly all Russified, they count as Russians. The Belarusians that aren’t Russified are on the Ukrainian side, of course.

    Romania also support Ukraine but I think that is the Balkans already.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia.

    It exists the despite the existence of Russia. Russia have been happy to Novgorod them, if it could. It has successfully destroyed/assimilated most of the Belarusian people. It nearly did so to the Latvians and Estonians.

    It made efforts to try to assimilate Ukrainians and even Poles but failed.

    Your deep ignorance is showing.

    The state that did preserve these small nations and provide them a place in which to develop is the one you hate – that of the Hapsburgs.

    others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles

    What you call a mini-empire is the collection of independent smallish states who preserve their cultural heritage.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e

    There's also Bulgarian and Serb public opinion. Some demos in cosmopolitan Prague indicate that not all Czechs are on board with your preferred Banderite slant of heroic Ukraine as a valuable anti-Russian base.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Regarding opinions you don't know what you are talking about. Ukies don't count - we don't consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn't include Russia.

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Czechia is more divided than you think, the commie President says that Kiev will lose but Prague intellectuals are to the west of California in their devotion to anything 'merican, they are eternal brown-nosers who loved Habsburgs, Nazis, commies. The rest is divided, Zeman, Klaus, Babis, former leaders are all against the war.

    Not sure about Bulgaria - a country that definitely wouldn't exist without Russia. Croats, Slovenes, Moldovans, I don't know. It is pretty evenly split.


    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated...
     
    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was "assimilated", there was never even any talk about it. The native cultures actually blossomed, commies were not "nationalist". Are you completely mad? Were the schools shut down, languages banned, what are you hallucinating about?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @AP

  170. Anyway, found some interesting stuff relating to Stoics & Sikhi.

    Unrelated to the above

    [MORE]

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JrKjpIwJjy8

    ਅਕਾਲ

  171. Among other things, the below video explains when bombing a hospital is and isn’t legally acceptable. Recalling the maternity ward that was hit in Ukraine. In the days prior to that attack, Russia showed footage to the UN of armed Kiev regime personnel entering that strategically located building (in an elevated position) as these forces escorted non-combatants out of that structure.

    We’re to believe that Russian morale is comparatively worse.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587567-ukrainian-military-pilot-defect-russia/

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587598-russia-propose-ukrainian-defectors-citizenship/

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587592-foreign-mercenaries-abandon-ukraine/

    Reminded again of two ethnic Ukrainians I know who said (independent of each other and in their own words) that the Kiev regime is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22. A Polish chap I very recently ran into concurs.

    These points are made as offset to offset the other anecdotes stated at this thread. Like I said, Americans killed many Germans and Japanese civilians during WW II. As time passed, Germans and Japanese didn’t view Americans so harshly. Time has a way of healing, especially when the obvious becomes clear on having been misled. How likeable is it to advocate fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian and viewing that advocacy as a good investment?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    It really looks like he is blogging from his parents house.

    Look at the mirror on the wall. Grown men do not put golden mirrors on the wall of a bachelor pad.

    Ritter told us a few weeks ago that if Israel enters Gaza it will be difficult for the IDF and worse than the Battle of Fallujah.

    Whatever you say Scott.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lmBVtEARZM

  172. @John Johnson
    @A123

    The Ukrainian SMO will end. It is not going to drag on for a decade or more. This should allow Eastern Europe to bounce back as a group.

    I don't see Russia bouncing back for years and they will drag down Belarus.

    A free Ukraine will attract all the companies that were headquartered in Russia.

    It will be viewed as a safer investment when compared to Russia. No reason to re-open in Russia when you can hire Russian speaking Ukrainians. No reason to wait and see what kind of mafia government the Russians will support next.

    Russians have proven yet again that they will tolerate any autocracy even if it sends their sons off to the front. First the Tsars, then the Bolsheviks and now a midget mafia. The West has gone back to viewing Russians as Europe's losers. The populace will put up with anything and wise leaders like Gorbachev are always in short supply. It's in their DNA to bow their heads to the government. They're uncomfortable with democracy and would rather be "not interested in politics" even if they eventually die freezing in a trench.

    Replies: @A123

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty — Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty — Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty — Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty — Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    There are a dozen possible scenarios.

    Here is one:

    Russia/Ukraine agree to end the war. Turns out Russia has been lying about their casualties and their wounded drag down the economy along with a lack of labor. Ukraine gets a Marshall type plan while Russia's economy doesn't recover for years.

    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office and a struggle for power breaks out. Political stability doesn't return for years as various forces compete for power.

    Here is another one:

    The Ruble crashes and remaining investors flee. Riots erupt and the front collapses.

    Before you say "that isn't likely" I would point out that all of Putin's fans were certain that he wouldn't invade. Scott Ritter said Russia would never invade Ukraine because it isn't in their national character. I guess he didn't get the memo on Russia's history of invading their neighbors. Amusingly that was a published article on RT.news. Yes he was actually on Russia news telling everyone that the invasion plans were a CIA conspiracy.

    In 1914 it was unthinkable that Russia would exit the war in three years due to a Communist revolution.

    Wars can take a lot of twists and turns. You don't know that there are two outcomes.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    Polls show that Ukrainians do not want to give Russia land to end the war. How is Zelensky not capable if he is following the will of the people?

    Replies: @A123

  173. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.
     
    About as realistic as your previous fantasy about a Russian space empire. The idea that network states could ever move beyond mostly irrelevant social clubs and eventually establish control over physical spaces, even very limited ones, is preposterous. Existing states would jealously guard their monopoly of force and mercilessly crush any such attempts.
    And if your position is now some quasi-anarchistic "Abolish all states through mass immigration, they're only systems of oppression anyway", good luck in the global Somalia that would result if your dream came true. I doubt nerdy transhumanists will fare well.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    You are of course right about AK’s need to show some contrition to be taken seriously after his spectacular u-turn. But perhaps you should just ignore all his dubious attempts at rationalizing his position and focus on the El Burro de Tijuana hypothetical timeline he posted yesterday. To be honest, it’s a convincing case for a radical change of opinions. In such a scenario it is easy to imagine countless Americans also flipping out, stopping to believe in their country altogether and finding new ideological foundations for their lives. Only they wouldn’t change their gender identity as well. That was probably a step too far by AK.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    In such a scenario it is easy to imagine countless Americans also flipping out, stopping to believe in their country altogether
     
    Maybe. Though I'm not sure it's directly comparable. There has always been a non-trivial subset of Americans who regarded foreign wars as dangerous to the health of the republic and a deviation from US founding principles (e.g. there was significant criticism of the war against Mexico in the 1840s, and later of the intervention in the Philippines). So while defeat in a foreign war would undoubtedly be a shock, maybe that tradition could re-assert itself and lead to a more positive focus on domestic issues, who knows. But has something like that ever existed in Russia?
    In any case, I just can't sympathize at all. If one's national identity is bound up to such an extent in the ability to beat up "fake and gay" neighboring countries, one deserves the shock if things don't turn out that well. Besides, Karlin just can't claim he couldn't have known better. In fact he was told many times right here in this comments section that the kind of chauvinism he espoused could lead to something pretty dark.
  174. Belarusisans are nearly all Russified, they count as Russians.

    It seems to be related to whether people voted for the opposition in 2020 or not, more of the people who voted for the opposition are sympathetic with Ukraine. But if you are in Belarus or have relatives/family there it is not wise to express what you think in writing on social media (on encrypted telegram stuff which outsiders can’t view it’s better), don’t put a like on the wrong posts, do not include red and white objects or white flowers in social media posts etc.

  175. @AP
    @Beckow


    Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians
     
    With respect to attitude towards the Russian invaders, 80% are on one side (Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Czechs), and the Hungarians and their Slovak servants are on the other. Belarusisans are nearly all Russified, they count as Russians. The Belarusians that aren't Russified are on the Ukrainian side, of course.

    Romania also support Ukraine but I think that is the Balkans already.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia.
     
    It exists the despite the existence of Russia. Russia have been happy to Novgorod them, if it could. It has successfully destroyed/assimilated most of the Belarusian people. It nearly did so to the Latvians and Estonians.

    It made efforts to try to assimilate Ukrainians and even Poles but failed.

    Your deep ignorance is showing.

    The state that did preserve these small nations and provide them a place in which to develop is the one you hate - that of the Hapsburgs.

    others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles
     
    What you call a mini-empire is the collection of independent smallish states who preserve their cultural heritage.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e

    There’s also Bulgarian and Serb public opinion. Some demos in cosmopolitan Prague indicate that not all Czechs are on board with your preferred Banderite slant of heroic Ukraine as a valuable anti-Russian base.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e
     
    It doubled its support to 20%. 80% of Romanians support other parties.

    Serbia and Bulgaria are in the Balkans (Romania, too).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian

  176. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    It seems to have created serious tensions in the French left though, iirc Melenchon got a lot of criticism recently when he refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist group. So one wonders how stable that coalition is going to be.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    So one wonders how stable that coalition is going to be.

    I would guess it is going to get more volatile. France seems to be further into the polarisation process than the UK is.

  177. @AP
    @Beckow


    Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians
     
    With respect to attitude towards the Russian invaders, 80% are on one side (Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Czechs), and the Hungarians and their Slovak servants are on the other. Belarusisans are nearly all Russified, they count as Russians. The Belarusians that aren't Russified are on the Ukrainian side, of course.

    Romania also support Ukraine but I think that is the Balkans already.

    Eastern Europe would not exist as a collection of independent smallish states without the existence of Russia.
     
    It exists the despite the existence of Russia. Russia have been happy to Novgorod them, if it could. It has successfully destroyed/assimilated most of the Belarusian people. It nearly did so to the Latvians and Estonians.

    It made efforts to try to assimilate Ukrainians and even Poles but failed.

    Your deep ignorance is showing.

    The state that did preserve these small nations and provide them a place in which to develop is the one you hate - that of the Hapsburgs.

    others dream of their own mini-empires like the Poles
     
    What you call a mini-empire is the collection of independent smallish states who preserve their cultural heritage.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    Regarding opinions you don’t know what you are talking about. Ukies don’t count – we don’t consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn’t include Russia.

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Czechia is more divided than you think, the commie President says that Kiev will lose but Prague intellectuals are to the west of California in their devotion to anything ‘merican, they are eternal brown-nosers who loved Habsburgs, Nazis, commies. The rest is divided, Zeman, Klaus, Babis, former leaders are all against the war.

    Not sure about Bulgaria – a country that definitely wouldn’t exist without Russia. Croats, Slovenes, Moldovans, I don’t know. It is pretty evenly split.

    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated…

    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was “assimilated”, there was never even any talk about it. The native cultures actually blossomed, commies were not “nationalist”. Are you completely mad? Were the schools shut down, languages banned, what are you hallucinating about?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Overall, Bulgarian public opinion is pro-Russian. The overall political elites aren't as much on account of Western neocon/neolib soft power ops.

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Were the schools shut down, languages banned
     
    If they had done that, there would have been major unrest (and they wanted the locals to cooperate). So they attempted more gradual methods. And there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts (and possibly other things, such as housing).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Regarding opinions you don’t know what you are talking about. Ukies don’t count – we don’t consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn’t include Russia.
     
    You mentioned attitudes towards Russia - you wrote, "Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians"

    So Russians wouldn't count. Ukrainians and Belarussians do. If they are not Eastern Europe, what is?

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.
     
    Austria is not in Eastern Europe. Nor is Germany.

    Serbia is in the Balkans.

    That leaves SLovakia and its masterm, Hungary.

    Funny thing about Slovakia - it is eager to support whoever slaughters Eastern Europeans. It was quick to join the Nazis right when the Nazis were ready to murder Slavs, and when the Nazis were done murdering Slavs the Slovaks lost their affiliation towards them, and had an uprising to join the Soviets who were murdering Slavs and Balts. And now , Slovakia seems to take Russia's side as Russia murders Eastern European Ukrainians.

    Magyars were historically horrible towards Slavs, yet Slovaks didn't really revolt against them. In 1848 only a couple thousand tried and they were outnumbered by the Slovaks fighting for the Hungarians. Galicians volunteered to kill Magyars but Slovaks kept mostly quiet.

    Whenever someone was killing Slavs or Balts, the Slovaks could be counted on to be on their side.

    What is wrong with you people?

    Czechia is more divided than you think
     
    Given your record of dishonesty, I won't take your word for it.

    https://i.imgur.com/0JVEPgp.png

    Romania and Bulgaria are in the Balkans.

    Latvia and Estonia are lighter in color due to their high ethnic Russian population (Russians are 25% of Latvia), who obviously view Russia as less of a threat than do ethnic Latvians and Estonians.

    So anti-Russia: Poland, Czechia, and the Baltics countries (total population: 52 million - 83 million if you include Ukraine)

    Not anti-Russian: Hungary and Slovakia (total population 15.3 million - 24.5 million if you include Belarus). Although even the majority of Slovaks view Russia as a threat (62%). It's just a lot lower than Czechs (84%), Poles (90%) and Balts. In Hungary it is only 45%. I'm including Slovakia in the pro-Russian camp because Slovaks voted for Fico and because 62% is rather weak compared to the Poles, Czechs, and Balts. But one could only include Hungarians as not being anti-Russia based on attitude.

    So you lied when you claimed that Eastern Europeans were evenly divided. A fairly small minority support Russia. Just the non-Slavic Hungarians and their Slovak traditional lackeys.

    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated…

    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was “assimilated”, there was never even any talk about it.
     
    It's been doing that far longer than that. Ukrainian language was mostly banned in the 19th century. Russians were even trying to Russify the Poles!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions

    "In 1869, the Warsaw Main School was closed down, and in its location, the Russian language Imperial University was opened. The years 1869–1885 saw the systematic removal of the Polish language from the education system, the end result, in 1885, was its placement as a second, uncompulsory school language. Only religion was taught in Polish. Dmitry Ilovaysky's history text books were enforced in school history classes, falsifying history and as such continually implemented Russification. Additionally, the Russian language was introduced into folk schools. Conclusively, speaking the Polish language was banned in institutions of education. There was also an attempt to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet into Polish."

    After 1945, Moscow was trying to destroy the Baltic peoples, sending them to Siberia while importing Russian colonists onto their lands. In Ukraine it was trying to Russify them.

    Maybe in addition to your natural instinct to support whoever is killing Slavs and/or Balts, Slovaks are less anti-Russian because they never tasted direct Russian rule, unlike Poles (until 1918), Ukrainians, and Balts.

    Maybe that is the split in Eastern Europe. The majority of Eastern Europeans, who at one time were in the same state ruled by Moscow (Poles, Balts, and Ukrainians), versus those who were not (Slovaks and Hungarians). Czechs are a different case, but nice to see them on the right side.
  178. @Beckow
    @AP

    Regarding opinions you don't know what you are talking about. Ukies don't count - we don't consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn't include Russia.

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Czechia is more divided than you think, the commie President says that Kiev will lose but Prague intellectuals are to the west of California in their devotion to anything 'merican, they are eternal brown-nosers who loved Habsburgs, Nazis, commies. The rest is divided, Zeman, Klaus, Babis, former leaders are all against the war.

    Not sure about Bulgaria - a country that definitely wouldn't exist without Russia. Croats, Slovenes, Moldovans, I don't know. It is pretty evenly split.


    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated...
     
    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was "assimilated", there was never even any talk about it. The native cultures actually blossomed, commies were not "nationalist". Are you completely mad? Were the schools shut down, languages banned, what are you hallucinating about?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @AP

    Overall, Bulgarian public opinion is pro-Russian. The overall political elites aren’t as much on account of Western neocon/neolib soft power ops.

  179. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You make some good points here Anatoly, however, it probably wont be just "middle-aged losers" that they'll be looking for, but productive ones that fill the ranks of the professional classes too. More exciting stories of those that choose to flee, no doubt.

    Do you pay much heed to internationalist conspiracy theories like the one put out by your fellow blogger, Rurik Skywalker’s” (Rolo Slavskiy) “The Slavland Chronicles within Substack that point to secretive international forces that are behind state-sponsored Islamification effort in Russia? He claims that this is all just "further proof of a) a global mitzvah aimed at all White countries b) proof of the Kremlin’s complicity in the scheme and c) proof that none of this is “democratic” and is just forced on the people."? Do you buy this or not?

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/good-news-patriots-president-putin

    BTW, I'm now pairing my hot sauce consumption with straight peppers now. There's just something about those little red torpedos that need no augmentation! :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail

    Interesting upon quick perusal, along with some agreeable (not all) observations. Something like Saker?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Rollo states that Saker wa a big fan of this dilution of Russian nationalistic feeling:


    now Putin brags about his anti-Russian agenda openly. And of course, shameless shills like Saker were very enthusiastic about the program in their time as well. They argued that it was proof that Russia was anti-racist and that the West was run by Anglo-Nazis who were only pretending to be tolerant. This is, of course, the Kremlin line as well. They are trying to beat the West at its own game when it comes to multi-kulti.
     
    Are you a fan of this "multi-kulti" approach for Russia too? Are you for Putler's obvious marketing campaign to lure more Chechens and other Muslims into the Russian hinterland?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  180. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    You are of course right about AK's need to show some contrition to be taken seriously after his spectacular u-turn. But perhaps you should just ignore all his dubious attempts at rationalizing his position and focus on the El Burro de Tijuana hypothetical timeline he posted yesterday. To be honest, it's a convincing case for a radical change of opinions. In such a scenario it is easy to imagine countless Americans also flipping out, stopping to believe in their country altogether and finding new ideological foundations for their lives. Only they wouldn't change their gender identity as well. That was probably a step too far by AK.

    Replies: @German_reader

    In such a scenario it is easy to imagine countless Americans also flipping out, stopping to believe in their country altogether

    Maybe. Though I’m not sure it’s directly comparable. There has always been a non-trivial subset of Americans who regarded foreign wars as dangerous to the health of the republic and a deviation from US founding principles (e.g. there was significant criticism of the war against Mexico in the 1840s, and later of the intervention in the Philippines). So while defeat in a foreign war would undoubtedly be a shock, maybe that tradition could re-assert itself and lead to a more positive focus on domestic issues, who knows. But has something like that ever existed in Russia?
    In any case, I just can’t sympathize at all. If one’s national identity is bound up to such an extent in the ability to beat up “fake and gay” neighboring countries, one deserves the shock if things don’t turn out that well. Besides, Karlin just can’t claim he couldn’t have known better. In fact he was told many times right here in this comments section that the kind of chauvinism he espoused could lead to something pretty dark.

    • Agree: Mikel
  181. @AP
    @Beckow


    a deal may be reached, or attempted, after the Russian or the American elections.

    That’s almost a year, I am not sure the world can handle it for that much longer…
     
    Well, Russia's next election is in March 2024, so Putin's hands will be more untied considerably sooner than a year from now. It is possible that Russia's desperate attempt to take Avdiivka (with massive casualties) is an attempt for some PR victory and to straighten the lines prior to a peace agreement that would also include some unpleasant aspects for the Russian side. In the latter case it would be like Debaltseve.

    The American election is of course next year and the new president (if there will be one) will be in office in January 2025.

    Speculations about where the soldiers are from can’t be proven. I have seen videos with soldiers from Moscow, maybe they keep them safer.
     
    There are volunteers from Moscow, and probably some conscripts too but if so they are likely kept safer. Casualties aren't felt in the city. My wife hasn't noticed unusual numbers of amputees in town (one would occasionally see one, asking for money on the metro, probably a Chechen or Afghan war vet, they were rare). It is a large contrast from that city on the Volga where our friend stayed when she visited her family.

    In the past Russia used soldiers based on proximity, so Rostov, Voronezh, the southern Volga region, Kuban-Caucasus would be most impacted
     
    Yes. Though from videos, anecdotally, it seems like small towns in Siberia and the Far East are also getting a lot of people killed. Though I personally don't know people from there, I can only vouch for Moscow and small-city Volga. Although the people from Siberia of the Far East may be poor volunteers eager for the money rather than conscripts.

    But the level of casualties for a country of 150 million is still very low – it is more likely to prevent a deal than to force it
     
    I agree, sort of. The casualties are of course nothing compared to World War II when several millions were killed. But they are a lot higher than in Chechnya (11,000 killed IIRC) and even Afghanistan (15,000 killed). They are even higher than in the Russo-Japanese war (up to 73,000 killed). Russian losses are probably around double the American losses in the whole Vietnam War. And this, after not even 2 years of fighting.

    And this in a war that was a Russian war of choice; Ukraine did not invade Russia, Russia chose to invade Ukraine. There is a higher tolerance for casualties when one is invaded and defending one's home than if one invades elsewhere.

    However Russia has an advantage in that the casualties are not evenly distributed. The ones getting killed are either volunteers or mostly "losers" from places that don't matter. Or convicts whom nobody cares about. They know their place and will meekly do what they are told, and they fear the Chechen enforcers. So it can last longer. But how much longer? If too long, they will have to start drafting Muscovites or maybe even the losers will start getting desperate. I don't think we are anywhere close to a breaking point but I think it would be reached long before a millions is killed, half a million might even be enough. We could be half way or a third of the way there.

    In spite of our frequent disagreements, are there things that we could agree on?
    1. The expansion of Nato to Ukraine was stupid – an unnecessary provocation
     
    I agree that that NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid - or perhaps, evil, if the goal was to entice Putin to do something stupid and self-destructive (the latter is unlikely, but possible). If NATO brought Ukraine into itself quickly there would have been no war and 100,000s lives would be saved. Russia would be more prosperous and happier, too, without this war. 2021 had been a great year for Russia's economy. But dangling NATO membership out there while not keeping Ukraine safe was awful. Ukraine was never allowed in, while Russia was provoked (though the nature of this provocation is completely different from how it is conceptualized by you and other pro-Russians).

    You and I disagree on the nature of the provocation. The provocative thing about potential NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely. Russia was motivated to invade Ukraine before Ukraine got NATO membership, because it was Russia's last chance for a union of the two countries.

    Putin stated that the breakup of the USSR was a geopolitical catastrophe. He did not say this out of love for the Soviet regime and system as is often claimed in the Western media. But rather, Moscow without Ukraine lost any hope of superpower status - it became a second tier regional power with nukes - sort of a Brazil with nukes. Russia's goal has been to restore some sort union with Ukraine, ideally voluntarily. It was hoped that economic collapse after Maidan would do it, Ukraine would come back, but instead Ukraine's economy recovered while it economic center of gravity was shifting from the more pro-Russian East to the more pro-western Center and West. Ukraine was going to slip away forever. But apparently it was falsely believed by Putin and his circle that Ukrainians, despite choosing and preferring the West, didn't care deeply enough about it, or about their country, to actually fight and die for it. So the decision was made to invade, with a military force sufficient for either a 1968 Czechoslovakia regime-change operation or at worst a quick Iraq war 2003 operation. Ukrainian will and ability to resist were vastly underestimated.

    ::::::::::::::::::

    So Ukraine either should have been allowed into NATO right away, or NATO should never have promised eventual membership and instead perhaps Russian aggression could have been prevented by promising to match Russian military buildup on Ukrainian borders with military assistance. Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    2. Kiev post-Maidan screwed up by anti-Russian militancy: bombing Donbas, language laws
     
    Bombing Donbas followed Russian aggression and was not done at Kiev's initiative. The tragic Donbas war was the result of Russians creating and sustaining a rebellion that would have expanded had it not been stopped by military means in Donbas. Shooting started by the Russian side and involved Russian citizens. The first captured town, Sloviansk, was captured by the Russian Girkin. Mikel was saying that the Ukrainians should have just let the Russians take those towns without shooting into them. Well, in that case, why shouldn't the Russians have taken more towns, since nobody would resist them?

    The language laws that initially were used as an excuse for the Donbas rebellion were merely the reversion of the status quo prior to 2011. Ukraine decided (but had not yet even ratified) to repeal Yanukovich's recent language law which was unpopular in most of the country.

    Years afterward, after the Donbas rebellion, they were expanded.

    3. EU made fatal error by not forcing the Minsk – it made the war almost inevitable
     
    Minsk as interpreted by the Russian side was just an attempt to force Ukraine back into Russia's fold. It had been signed under duress to appease the Russian invader. Zelensky hoped for a normal interpretation (such as, allowing Donbas to elect its own governors and have its own courts, but not allow Donbas to conduct its own cross-border trade policy) but Russians were opposed to that. The Ukrainian people wanted the EU rather than the Eurasian Customs Union, so the implementation of the Russian interpretation of Minsk was unacceptable. It meant Russian veto power over the will of the Ukrainian people, a capitulation and surrender to Russia without firing a shot.

    If this made the Russian invasion inevitable it just proves that Russia simply wanted Ukraine to be a puppet state and was willing to make it so by threat at first, but by force, if the threat didn't work.

    3. Russia in 2022 had only two realistic choices: start the war – or do nothing, leading to an eventual defeat: Kiev in Nato, suppression of Russians, permanent critical risk.
     
    "Do nothing" would have meant more years of empty promises that Ukraine would eventually join NATO. It would have meant "suppression" of Russians, in the sense that they would have a softer version of what their people experienced in the Baltics. They would still have Russian-language primary schools (do they have those in the Baltics?) but would have to learn a closely related language that would be easy for them to learn later on. They would still live in Russian-speaking cities. Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities - Russia's choice - was not a better fate. You do know that most Russian-speakers in Ukraine hate Russia now, and have worse feelings towards Russia than they ever had towards Kiev.

    "Permanent critical risk." Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal. Even if Russia had some civil disorder. Nobody was going to touch that. The risk was Russia losing Ukraine forever.

    I will tell you one thing the West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @LatW, @Beckow, @Mikel

    …NATO making promises and never fulfilling them was stupid

    They either wanted to provoke a Russian-Ukrainian war, were bluffing that Russia won’t do anything, or they are simply stupid. But it was the dumbest possible policy to achieve what they claimed was their goal.

    NATO membership was not that Ukrainian NATO membership would make an invasion of Russia likelier, but rather that it would make the invasion of Ukraine by Russia unlikely.

    That makes no sense. Everyone understood that it is a lengthy process – starting it without providing “security” is not how any 3-digit IQ person would do it. That suggests that the goal was different than protecting Ukraine.

    Perhaps a strong Finlandization or Austrian solution.

    Finland just took itself out as a potential example, it chose instead to be a potential target. Austrian solution would fit: Austria is a very European country and neutral.

    Your usual defense of Kiev anti-Russian language laws and failure to accept Minsk deal are pointless. You know that you wrong, I won’t repeat it.

    Killing them by 10,000s and wrecking their cities – Russia’s choice – was not a better fate.

    Wars are like that. Nato killed people and wreck cities for years, didn’t that bother you? But I agree it is a tragedy and it shouldn’t be happening. But the fault also lies with those who refused to compromise.

    West failed to do but should have done: made some mechanism to normalize Crimea and Donbas status.

    Yes. But things happen for a reason, it was not an oversight – it tells us that West lied about what their goals were. They wanted Crimea more than anything. They wanted to keep the crisis going, maybe even to the point to have a war. If you have a better explanation, tell us…

    “Permanent critical risk.” Nobody was going to ever invade Russia with its massive nuke arsenal.

    You can corner a country without invading – you can get an upper hand in a crisis. In any case, the Russian security establishment didn’t want to take your word for it. Same as US wouldn’t about Canada or even Cuba. You refuse to see the others as having the same rights – the usual incurable American narcissism. How many wars has it caused?

  182. I half-believe that Mr. Hack has already absconded to fight for Khalistan independence, and he is only goading Sher Singh into the same by taunting him about how Sikhs in NA seem so peaceful.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Funny thing though, Sher Singh is nowhere in sight to be seen? I thought for sure that Mr. Rambo Sher Singh would be in his homeland fighting for liberation? Instead, it looks like he's fallen prey to the health club/jacuzzi lifestyle so prevalent in NA. If you have any other theories, I'm all ears...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    There's literally drivebys in front of Gurudawaras.

    This weird psy op is just hack's own insecurity.

    I know the play have dealt with (((white men)))

    Literally, not gonna engage to prove shit to anyone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/apr/04/jesus-gay-man-codices

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/apr/20/was-jesus-gay-probably

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird


    I half-believe that Mr. Hack has already absconded to fight for Khalistan independence, and he is only goading Sher Singh into the same by taunting him about how Sikhs in NA seem so peaceful.
     
    Na, everyone here but me & you are cuckservatives - haven't use that word in awhile.
    They genuinely coom at law n order + well-integrated minorities.

    See, I give every white man the due respect of assuming he's a racist.
    It's just not really true. ;(

    Massagetae & Tarim Sakas Checking in. :)


    In the late 13th century Tranxoxiana, deep strains between urbanized/Islamized settled and nomadic Mongols began to emerge. Settled Mongols began to call nomads “Jete” (or “Jatts”, literally “robbers”) while nomads would use the slur “Qurannas” (“half-breeds, or “mongrels”).

     

    Jatt 4 lyfee. :D

    https://twitter.com/Sukhsirjan96/status/1596699889425342465

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661318913421869086/1176189757936644279/30464-e5657a6559697bbf2d9794100aae52fc.mp4

    https://twitter.com/Indrauta_/status/1503270516752277506

    https://twitter.com/_Gloaming_/status/1502515681081769987

    https://twitter.com/ArjanSMangat/status/1645294732908847104?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Amerika25736681/status/1719938484020879701

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @LatW

  183. Quite important to citizens of both the UK and US – indeed it can be argued that Obama’s United States went a lot further, deliberately wiping out a US citizen in a missile strike. Naturally the ‘Guardian’ (ho-ho, the irony) has ignored the case.

    Author – the Good Hitchens, who takes after his dutiful English naval officer father.

    I’m bothered by it, as one who also disagrees with British, European, and US foreign policy, currently and coincidentally all united on the acceptability of carpet-bombing women, children and refugees in a densely-packed city.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12765795/PETER-HITCHENS-Liberty-fought-tyranny-barely-noticed-court-hearing-week-believe-one-important-cases-time.html

    Liberty fought tyranny in the High Court in London last week, in what I believe is one of the most important court cases of our time. The issues were simple. Is it permissible to disagree publicly with the British Government’s foreign policy?

    If not, how much do you have to disagree with it to be in trouble? And can you then be severely punished without a proper trial?

    I have a strong personal interest in this, since I often (in fact, almost always) disagree with British foreign policy. This frequently seems to have been made by bomb-happy teenagers who have never looked at a map, opened a history book or done any proper travel.

    These are surely huge issues for any country. Apart from anything else, if foreign policy cannot be criticised, how long before domestic policy is protected in the same way?

    Yet this titanic and principled struggle has been taking place all but unnoticed in one of the smaller courtrooms at the Royal Courts of Justice.

    The case dates back to July 2022 when the Foreign Office imposed sanctions on a video blogger called Graham Phillips, a UK citizen and former civil servant living in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine.

    Described in Parliament as a ‘pro-Russian propagandist’, Mr Phillips was made the subject of an ‘asset freeze’ and is challenging the sanctions decision.

    Although most people would find his views repellent and believe he has behaved badly in other ways, as the great US Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter once said: ‘The safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people.’

    The High Court heard how sanctions mean Mr Phillips is ‘experiencing hardship’. He cannot be paid for work, pay bills or his mortgage on a London house or even his Council Tax. Although he can apply for licences to be allowed to do so, he refuses on principle to live by Government permission.

    The case dates back to July 2022 when the Foreign Office imposed sanctions on a video blogger called Graham Phillips, a UK citizen and former civil servant living in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine.

    Described in Parliament as a ‘pro-Russian propagandist’, Mr Phillips was made the subject of an ‘asset freeze’ and is challenging the sanctions decision.

    Although most people would find his views repellent and believe he has behaved badly in other ways, as the great US Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter once said: ‘The safeguards of liberty have frequently been forged in controversies involving not very nice people.’

    The High Court heard how sanctions mean Mr Phillips is ‘experiencing hardship’. He cannot be paid for work, pay bills or his mortgage on a London house or even his Council Tax. Although he can apply for licences to be allowed to do so, he refuses on principle to live by Government permission.

    During last week’s two-day hearing before Mr Justice Swift, lawyers for the Foreign Office argued that some material produced by Mr Phillips, which has been widely shared on social media, was created in collaboration with Russia. They also pointed to an interview with Aiden Aslin, a UK national captured by Russians after travelling to Ukraine to join the fight against Russia.

    Joshua Hitchens (no relation) told the court that the UK Government’s action was an unlawful encroachment on the right to free speech.

    He argued it is an unprecedented power with serious implications for free speech and that the sanctions could not fulfil their stated aim, which is ‘to prevent Russian attempts to destabilise Ukraine and undermine its territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence’.

    Lawyers for the Foreign Secretary argued that the 2019 Russia (Sanctions) Regulations specified a broad range of activities. This could include speech or communication, such as propaganda or disinformation, that supported Russia’s war aims.

    Joshua Hitchens was arguing for liberty, with a solitary solicitor to help him. On the other side, a large and costly Foreign Office team was headed by a distinguished KC, Maya Lester. Behind her sat three other barristers, supported by about half a dozen assorted aides and assistants.

    The real point of the case, in which the judgment has been reserved until a later date, is this: If a British subject chooses to say things which could be said to be ‘destabilising’ or otherwise upsetting the Republic of Ukraine, so exactly what?

    If Britain was at war with Russia in alliance with Ukraine, then no doubt such statements might be deemed some sort of treason.

    But the UK, for whatever reason, has not declared war on Russia. The British Government supports Ukraine and even I, who think this policy is mad, deplore the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    But Graham Phillips is entitled to disagree with the British Government and with me.

    We may not like this, or like him. But if the British Government has the power to ruin people’s lives merely for disagreeing with their opinions, or for sympathising with a country it does not like, then we are not free and our own cause is polluted.

  184. @Mikhail
    Among other things, the below video explains when bombing a hospital is and isn't legally acceptable. Recalling the maternity ward that was hit in Ukraine. In the days prior to that attack, Russia showed footage to the UN of armed Kiev regime personnel entering that strategically located building (in an elevated position) as these forces escorted non-combatants out of that structure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVCSXYcGs78

    We're to believe that Russian morale is comparatively worse.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587567-ukrainian-military-pilot-defect-russia/

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587598-russia-propose-ukrainian-defectors-citizenship/

    https://www.rt.com/russia/587592-foreign-mercenaries-abandon-ukraine/

    Reminded again of two ethnic Ukrainians I know who said (independent of each other and in their own words) that the Kiev regime is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22. A Polish chap I very recently ran into concurs.

    These points are made as offset to offset the other anecdotes stated at this thread. Like I said, Americans killed many Germans and Japanese civilians during WW II. As time passed, Germans and Japanese didn't view Americans so harshly. Time has a way of healing, especially when the obvious becomes clear on having been misled. How likeable is it to advocate fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian and viewing that advocacy as a good investment?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It really looks like he is blogging from his parents house.

    Look at the mirror on the wall. Grown men do not put golden mirrors on the wall of a bachelor pad.

    Ritter told us a few weeks ago that if Israel enters Gaza it will be difficult for the IDF and worse than the Battle of Fallujah.

    Whatever you say Scott.

  185. @A123
    @John Johnson

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty -- Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty -- Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty — Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty — Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    There are a dozen possible scenarios.

    Here is one:

    Russia/Ukraine agree to end the war. Turns out Russia has been lying about their casualties and their wounded drag down the economy along with a lack of labor. Ukraine gets a Marshall type plan while Russia’s economy doesn’t recover for years.

    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office and a struggle for power breaks out. Political stability doesn’t return for years as various forces compete for power.

    Here is another one:

    The Ruble crashes and remaining investors flee. Riots erupt and the front collapses.

    Before you say “that isn’t likely” I would point out that all of Putin’s fans were certain that he wouldn’t invade. Scott Ritter said Russia would never invade Ukraine because it isn’t in their national character. I guess he didn’t get the memo on Russia’s history of invading their neighbors. Amusingly that was a published article on RT.news. Yes he was actually on Russia news telling everyone that the invasion plans were a CIA conspiracy.

    In 1914 it was unthinkable that Russia would exit the war in three years due to a Communist revolution.

    Wars can take a lot of twists and turns. You don’t know that there are two outcomes.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    Polls show that Ukrainians do not want to give Russia land to end the war. How is Zelensky not capable if he is following the will of the people?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    There are a dozen possible scenarios.
    ...
    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office
     
    Hmmm... You have an ultra low probability scenario involving Putin "suddenly dying".

    And, you postulate another ultra low probability scenario to save the DNC involving the Veggie-in-Chief "suddenly dying".

    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  186. Any motorheads here? (Probably not the right forum, but sometimes lay opinions/experience are better.

    Let me ask a question: suppose I want to store a lead vehicle battery that is in a very cold environment over winter but I am pretty lazy.

    Is it enough to disconnect the battery and put it inside the interior of the vehicle? (Where I imagine it would be a bit drier?)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Let me ask a question: suppose I want to store a lead vehicle battery that is in a very cold environment over winter but I am pretty lazy.

    How cold?

    The real problem with a lead battery is that it discharges over time. That will permanently reduce the battery capability if it gets low enough. It may seem to work fine but they really aren't designed to be stored long term. The battery gets low and then people turn over a stored car which does additional damage. If you are storing a car it is much better if you can start it up every month and let it run for 10 minutes. That charges the battery and pushes some fluids around.
     
    Wally world has a $20 everstart trickle charger that works great. Just stick it on a shelf in a basement. It's really easy.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird

    As has been said, if you want to preserve the battery it's a good idea to start your car every few weeks and let it run a good ten minutes. This is not only good for the battery (recharging) but good for the car as a whole. [The longer a car sits without the engine having been turned over, the more problems they seem to collect, even just 'sitting'. They are sort of like people in that sense.]

    Or, you can disconnect the battery as you described, but as the cold is hard on them (ie losing their charge) there's a real chance after a few months the battery won't be able to hold a charge at all, in spite of attempts to recharge it, and you'll have to buy a new one.

    Replies: @songbird

  187. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the "shock and disbelief" of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like "post-cult recovery". Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.

    It's only after I was outside Russia about 5 years, I was starting to think how strange a lot of the culture and views they were promoting.

    I always had a feeling he was trolling until 2022 as kind of art project. After he attacks us in 2022, it seemed I was incorrect. So, it is possible he was a victim of the kremlin marketing project which was targeting people with the far-left/far-right views. This kremlin marketing was designed for the people in the far part of the horseshoe in the theory of the horseshoe.

    I discussed about it last thread. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-234/#comment-6265508

    -

    After 1991, one of the main raisons d'êtres of the politics has been to move from Moscow to London without people tracing your money from either side.

    If marketing created by the postsoviet space was powerful enough. it will have unpredicted effects like a leftwing person of color in London immigrating in the incorrect direction from London to Moscow to be, a "Russian nationalist", which is a customized pro-government imperialism using views originally created by the KGB to confuse late soviet people in the 1970s/1980s.

    Perhaps you could imagine something similar with "Nigerian prince" marketing projects. The raison d'être of the Nigerian prince marketing project is someone in the developed country transfers money to you.

    But if you use too much creative talent in the Nigerian prince marketing, some people will become fans of the stories. They could write articles about the data from the Nigerian princes, using graphs. They could begin analyzing the architecture of different castles of Nigerian princes.

    Visually talented people could painting pictures of the Nigerians princes. Some of these pictures will have creative value. The stories created by the Nigerian prince marketing could even have a kind of independent fertile culture.

    But, the raison d'être was still the money transfer. And in a large part of the postsoviet space it has been always bank accounts in Switzerland and the apartments in Knightsbridge.

    If you explain this to people who believed in the Nigerian prince, they could perhaps not accept it. If they don't accept it, it will require some time for them to recover their rationality.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Yevardian

    I think he is probably slowly recovering and will become more normal in some zigzag pattern after the “shock and disbelief” of someone who believed kremlin marketing, like “post-cult recovery”. Probably, he needs a few more years to recover from the high exposure dose to kremlin marketing.

    Pretty odd for someone who grew up in the West and had ex-Soviet parents.
    In my personal experience, most emigrants from the USSR showed fierce indifference to politics in RusFed and regarded Putin with either indifference or studied contempt.

    Anyway, Gerard revealed simple explanation for Karlin’s pathology years ago when bringing up his appearance on the ever-unctious Peter Lavelle show on RT… as Gerard said, AK speaks English like someone who’s never been west of Tomsk. Either he or his parents never got him to make the slightest effort to assimilate or properly adjust to the new culture he lived in, but simultaneously doesn’t fit in with their parents’ country either. I knew enough MENA kids like that at school.

    Like lots of misfits, this led to both his misanthropy and the ridiculous level of idealisation of ‘the homeland’ and subsequent crushing disappointment. Whatever. It’s the tranny apologia that goes beyond the pale, though I suppose that’s consistent with getting excited about ‘artificial wombs’.

    @German_Reader

    Have you read or have much familiarity with Ernst Nolte?
    I got a copy of arguably his major work ‘The European Civil War”, in Spanish translation, interestingly it isn’t available in English.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Have you read or have much familiarity with Ernst Nolte?
     
    tbh I've only read one of his books, Späte Reflexionen (Late reflections), one of his last ones, published in 2011. It was interesting, definitely showed Nolte was alert to recent developments even in very advanced age. Some of his theses seemed exaggerated, possibly even shocking. E.g. iirc at one point he argues that Heydrich and Himmler were seriously considering the Madagascar plan in 1940, so maybe the Holocaust wouldn't have happened, if Britain had come to terms with Germany then. Which could be read as a somewhat perverse distortion of culpability. The empirical foundation for his ideas may also be somewhat lacking at times, he considered himself more of a philosopher of history (Geschichtsdenker) than a historian in the narrow sense. But obviously I've got quite a bit of sympathy for him in general. Not sure though if he can be fully understood outside the context of the federal republic and its strange politics of remembrance, against which he reacted.
    I definitely want to read more of him though. His late work Historische Existenz (which has been translated into English as Historical existence) which he considered his opus magnum seems especially interesting, a sort of universal history trying to discern core themes throughout the millennia. Other than that, his early work Three faces of fascism is probably also worth reading, frequently cited even by fairly mainstream historians (unlike his late work, since Nolte became non-respectable in the 1980s).
    Bizarrely enough, he even wrote a book about Islamism which he interpreted as the third radical resistance movement against modernity (after Bolshevism and Fascism/Nazism). But he probably went way beyond his expertise with that.
    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    His views still sounding a bit like Russia Today although seemed to change some of the parts to the other side of the horseshoe which the kremlin had marketed also.

    Although being leftwing is probably morally healthier for him and it's how he was naturally if you saw older posts https://www.unz.com/akarlin/navalny-petty-racist/

    Also if you look at the post above with Mr XYZ he accepted the lifestyle of Western European liberal countries is currently the more happy in the world. He said he wanted Russia to be like the Netherlands, not Chengdu. He showed interest in 50 cent.

    He used to say we should want to live like people in Peking, which is why he attracted what utu called the loyal attack panda. Now, he talks about the Netherlands. So zigzags at least in the more rational or at least "most people believe" direction nowadays.

    Next, he would need to accept the lifestyle is partly result of the economy of the country.


    Tomsk. Either he or his parents never got him

     

    Probably the parents don't know what is happening in Russia. Most soviet people were confused by their government in a thousand ways, with the KGB writing a hundred conspiracy theories to confuse them. While the upper class in Russia is small and closed, follows different rules.

    After 2000 the oil price increased so the kremlin had a lot of money available for marketing. Also Russia in the 2000s was an optimistic epoch even like the "dead cat bounce". So, they could market to the old soviet people using the television. The older Russian-speaking population in places like Estonia, Latvia.


    Gerard revealed simple explanation for

     

    Isn't Gerard usually writing satire? Then sometimes you see he cannot pretend he is not an unusually cultural person, a connoisseur about Brazilian football or Canadian music.
  188. @Hyperborean
    @German_reader


    Those Houthi guys must be either total Iranian proxies or crazy ideologues, insane for a country like Yemen that is already on its knees to insert itself into the Israel-Palestine conflict. Do they actually want to make people abroad believe that Saudi-Arabia might have had a point in starving and bombing them?
     
    I doubt they care much about the suffering of the average people of their country, might even help recruitment if they get bombed again. But this specific scenario is so cartoonishly provocative yet useless you'd think it was cooked up by Hollywood screenwriters. Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.

    Replies: @LatW

    Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.

    Maybe they’re just doing what feels good to them, without any rational reason (except, “We’re hurting Israel”, since they themselves believe that).

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @LatW


    Maybe they’re just doing what feels good to them, without any rational reason (except, “We’re hurting Israel”, since they themselves believe that).
     
    Browsing popular Middle Eastern social media accounts there definitely seems to be a sort of bragging game going on. Every group and nationality is looking to gain street cred, no matter how unrealistic. Ex. I've seen several times accounts posting news about the Egyptian and Jordanian armies moving towards the Israeli border and teasing "big developments". Or the recent "Islamic Resistance of Iraq" agreeing that no group is allowed to take sole credit and that any attack on American forces must be attributed to them collectively.

    There is definitely a great deal of performativity and spectacle in modern terror movements and that attitude percolates through society (though not just Middle Easterners can be influenced in this manner of course).

  189. @Beckow
    @AP

    Regarding opinions you don't know what you are talking about. Ukies don't count - we don't consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn't include Russia.

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Czechia is more divided than you think, the commie President says that Kiev will lose but Prague intellectuals are to the west of California in their devotion to anything 'merican, they are eternal brown-nosers who loved Habsburgs, Nazis, commies. The rest is divided, Zeman, Klaus, Babis, former leaders are all against the war.

    Not sure about Bulgaria - a country that definitely wouldn't exist without Russia. Croats, Slovenes, Moldovans, I don't know. It is pretty evenly split.


    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated...
     
    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was "assimilated", there was never even any talk about it. The native cultures actually blossomed, commies were not "nationalist". Are you completely mad? Were the schools shut down, languages banned, what are you hallucinating about?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @AP

    Were the schools shut down, languages banned

    If they had done that, there would have been major unrest (and they wanted the locals to cooperate). So they attempted more gradual methods. And there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts (and possibly other things, such as housing).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts...and possibly
     
    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing - there is always some "discrimination". In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.

    AP made it up. Communist countries were not nationalist, that was one of the big issues. Nobody was assimilating anybody - the local culture and language were promoted.

    It is idiotic to make up things because he doesn't like Russians - it is an American disease: know-nothings who operate based on black-and-white stereotypes.

    Replies: @LatW

  190. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Were the schools shut down, languages banned
     
    If they had done that, there would have been major unrest (and they wanted the locals to cooperate). So they attempted more gradual methods. And there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts (and possibly other things, such as housing).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts…and possibly

    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.

    AP made it up. Communist countries were not nationalist, that was one of the big issues. Nobody was assimilating anybody – the local culture and language were promoted.

    It is idiotic to make up things because he doesn’t like Russians – it is an American disease: know-nothings who operate based on black-and-white stereotypes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.
     
    Well, to discriminate based on ethnicity in a country that you have occupied is not that normal. They also shouldn't have been allowed to conscript our men (to send to their wars) and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws. I don't agree with AP on quite a few things, but you also tend to mislead, in this case, by shrugging off serious matters. Forced Russification was an objective fact, forced Russification is not better than forced Germanization.

    You may be the one who is uninformed, since you've never lived in the Soviet Union. I can guarantee you that most Slovaks would have hated it.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  191. @John Johnson
    @A123

    There are two scenarios:

    No peace treaty — Ukraine is bad investment risk and cannot recover. Russia still has to deal with sanctions, which are undesirable. However, a significant amount of hydrocarbons are bypassing the capped price.

    Peace treaty — Potentially both Russia and Ukraine will rebound well. Sanctions are lifted on Russia. Ukraine has a chance to make an economic deal with the EU.

    There are a dozen possible scenarios.

    Here is one:

    Russia/Ukraine agree to end the war. Turns out Russia has been lying about their casualties and their wounded drag down the economy along with a lack of labor. Ukraine gets a Marshall type plan while Russia's economy doesn't recover for years.

    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office and a struggle for power breaks out. Political stability doesn't return for years as various forces compete for power.

    Here is another one:

    The Ruble crashes and remaining investors flee. Riots erupt and the front collapses.

    Before you say "that isn't likely" I would point out that all of Putin's fans were certain that he wouldn't invade. Scott Ritter said Russia would never invade Ukraine because it isn't in their national character. I guess he didn't get the memo on Russia's history of invading their neighbors. Amusingly that was a published article on RT.news. Yes he was actually on Russia news telling everyone that the invasion plans were a CIA conspiracy.

    In 1914 it was unthinkable that Russia would exit the war in three years due to a Communist revolution.

    Wars can take a lot of twists and turns. You don't know that there are two outcomes.

    The later is the better path, but Kiev needs agreement capable leadership.

    Polls show that Ukrainians do not want to give Russia land to end the war. How is Zelensky not capable if he is following the will of the people?

    Replies: @A123

    There are a dozen possible scenarios.

    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office

    Hmmm… You have an ultra low probability scenario involving Putin “suddenly dying”.

    And, you postulate another ultra low probability scenario to save the DNC involving the Veggie-in-Chief “suddenly dying”.

    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Hmmm… You have an ultra low probability scenario involving Putin “suddenly dying”.

    How would that be ultra low probability?

    He is 70 and undoubtedly has health problems.

    There are multiple videos where he is trying to keep his hand or foot from shaking.

    There have also been pictures of him with IV scars.

    His use of body doubles has increased. The Kremlin has spoken of at least two assassination attempts since the war started.

    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    Wouldn't that mean Putin has the most damaged soul in the world?

    And no that doesn't make any sense. Putin dying would most likely save lives. Did people in WW2 damage their souls by wanting Stalin or Hitler dead?

    And, you postulate another ultra low probability scenario to save the DNC involving the Veggie-in-Chief “suddenly dying”.

    Biden is 81 and has one of the most stressful jobs in the country. Why would a scenario of him dying within a year be ultra low probability? I wouldn't put it past a 1:15 dice roll which makes it a scenario worth considering. A more likely scenario would be Biden choosing to "spend time with family" after the DNC talks to his wife. I would put that under 1:5. His wife is the one that talked him into running. His numbers are terrible which is making everyone nervous. Then there is the problem of Harris which is still unresolved.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

  192. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    There's no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing "thought" has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe's teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    I expect serious cognitive dissonance for many people when Russia eventually reaches a military resolution in Ukraine which Kremlin powers-that-be can live with. In my view this turning point will be about Russia gaining some measure of control over the West versus Russia project and not really about Russia versus Ukraine (disease versus symptom).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I expect serious cognitive dissonance for many people when Russia eventually reaches a military resolution in Ukraine which Kremlin powers-that-be can live with. In my view this turning point will be about Russia gaining some measure of control over the West versus Russia project

    Kremlin powers that be......is Putin. It's an autocracy.

    Putin has signaled that he is willing to walk with the current lines.

    How would this be Russia gaining some measure of control? Donbas was already under Russian control.

    Accepting the current lines would be a failure for Russia. It means NATO expanded through Finland and Russia gets land they already had influence over. The only exception would be Zaporizhzhia which was never a separatist area. What does that look like? They move in more Russians to suppress and control the locals? Partisan violence or just kick out all the ethnic Ukrainians to improve the Russian image even further?

    Yea this all really sounds worth over 300k casualties and record inflation.

    This war is nothing but a disaster. The only way Russia could come out on top was to take it all. That isn't happening and Putin wants to walk with his chunk. Well Ukraine isn't ready to let him have it. There are numerous reports of the cluster bombs inflicting serious damage and we could still see German Taurus missiles added to the mix. Most of the F16s and M1s haven't arrived. Maybe Putin should pick up an AK-47 and head to the trenches if he believes so much in this war.

    Replies: @QCIC

  193. @LatW
    @Hyperborean


    Zero military value or leverage gained against Israel and in return they just helped validate Saudi and Israeli propaganda.
     
    Maybe they're just doing what feels good to them, without any rational reason (except, "We're hurting Israel", since they themselves believe that).

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Maybe they’re just doing what feels good to them, without any rational reason (except, “We’re hurting Israel”, since they themselves believe that).

    Browsing popular Middle Eastern social media accounts there definitely seems to be a sort of bragging game going on. Every group and nationality is looking to gain street cred, no matter how unrealistic. Ex. I’ve seen several times accounts posting news about the Egyptian and Jordanian armies moving towards the Israeli border and teasing “big developments”. Or the recent “Islamic Resistance of Iraq” agreeing that no group is allowed to take sole credit and that any attack on American forces must be attributed to them collectively.

    There is definitely a great deal of performativity and spectacle in modern terror movements and that attitude percolates through society (though not just Middle Easterners can be influenced in this manner of course).

  194. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...there was discrimination regarding who could hold important posts...and possibly
     
    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing - there is always some "discrimination". In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.

    AP made it up. Communist countries were not nationalist, that was one of the big issues. Nobody was assimilating anybody - the local culture and language were promoted.

    It is idiotic to make up things because he doesn't like Russians - it is an American disease: know-nothings who operate based on black-and-white stereotypes.

    Replies: @LatW

    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.

    Well, to discriminate based on ethnicity in a country that you have occupied is not that normal. They also shouldn’t have been allowed to conscript our men (to send to their wars) and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws. I don’t agree with AP on quite a few things, but you also tend to mislead, in this case, by shrugging off serious matters. Forced Russification was an objective fact, forced Russification is not better than forced Germanization.

    You may be the one who is uninformed, since you’ve never lived in the Soviet Union. I can guarantee you that most Slovaks would have hated it.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @LatW

    It has been said that the men's Czechoslovak ice hockey team had a quota on Slovaks.

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe - you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That's what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    In EE outside SU there was no "assimilation" or what you call "Russification". That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc...

    In Czechoslovakia there were informal rules about dividing top posts: if the commie boss was a Slovak, then the premier was Czech, and there were rough guidelines that were not always observed. It by the way never applied to sport or culture. But to hallucinate about "Russian assimilation" and seemingly believe it - as many Americans do - is so stupid that it boggles one's mind.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws.
     
    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just. ;) Ilya Somin previously pointed out how countries were previously assumed to have the power to regulate both speech and religion but that this power has been significantly frowned upon in the present-day in democratic countries other than in exceptional circumstances.

    I don't think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren't enough of them to form a majority of the total population there. But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia and who have lived there for decades (the younger two, who are now in their 50s and are unfortunately both still childless, were both born in Tallinn, Estonia IIRC back when Estonia was still a part of the Soviet Union).

    Replies: @LatW

  195. @LatW
    @Beckow


    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.
     
    Well, to discriminate based on ethnicity in a country that you have occupied is not that normal. They also shouldn't have been allowed to conscript our men (to send to their wars) and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws. I don't agree with AP on quite a few things, but you also tend to mislead, in this case, by shrugging off serious matters. Forced Russification was an objective fact, forced Russification is not better than forced Germanization.

    You may be the one who is uninformed, since you've never lived in the Soviet Union. I can guarantee you that most Slovaks would have hated it.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    It has been said that the men’s Czechoslovak ice hockey team had a quota on Slovaks.

  196. @LatW
    @Beckow


    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.
     
    Well, to discriminate based on ethnicity in a country that you have occupied is not that normal. They also shouldn't have been allowed to conscript our men (to send to their wars) and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws. I don't agree with AP on quite a few things, but you also tend to mislead, in this case, by shrugging off serious matters. Forced Russification was an objective fact, forced Russification is not better than forced Germanization.

    You may be the one who is uninformed, since you've never lived in the Soviet Union. I can guarantee you that most Slovaks would have hated it.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe – you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That’s what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    In EE outside SU there was no “assimilation” or what you call “Russification”. That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc…

    In Czechoslovakia there were informal rules about dividing top posts: if the commie boss was a Slovak, then the premier was Czech, and there were rough guidelines that were not always observed. It by the way never applied to sport or culture. But to hallucinate about “Russian assimilation” and seemingly believe it – as many Americans do – is so stupid that it boggles one’s mind.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    International law states the following:


    When a territory is placed under the authority of a hostile army, the rules of international humanitarian law dealing with occupation apply. Occupation confers certain rights and obligations on the occupying power.

    Prohibited actions include forcibly transferring protected persons from the occupied territories to the territory of the occupying power.
    It is unlawful under the Fourth Geneva Convention for an occupying power to transfer parts of its own population into the territory it occupies.
     
    I'm sure there was strong censorship in the Warsaw Pact states when it comes to distribution of certain cultural material. Certain books were banned in Poland. It damaged their intellectual life, they were not free, the Baltic culture, too, was partly stifled.

    By the way, I just wanted to add about Eastern Euro countries being divided (even if I don't even believe they're that divided): regardless of how one feels about the Russo-Ukrainian war, all these countries still have a chance to develop in a positive way. It would be great to have friendly relations with everyone, but life goes on - we can continue to build and improve our lives and protect our culture.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    In EE outside SU there was no “assimilation” or what you call “Russification”. That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc…
     
    You left the Russification, liar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Ukaz

    on May 18, 1876, Alexander signed what would come to be called the Ems Ukaz, which extended the publication ban to all books and song lyrics in the "Little Russian dialect" and prohibited the import of such materials. Also, public lectures, plays, and song performances in Ukrainian were forbidden, as well as teaching of any discipline in Ukrainian. Prohibited was also preservation or circulation of any Ukrainian book in school libraries. Teachers suspected of Ukrainophilism were removed from teaching

    And this, in Poland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions

    In 1869, the Warsaw Main School was closed down, and in its location, the Russian language Imperial University was opened. The years 1869–1885 saw the systematic removal of the Polish language from the education system, the end result, in 1885, was its placement as a second, uncompulsory school language. Only religion was taught in Polish. Dmitry Ilovaysky's history text books were enforced in school history classes, falsifying history and as such continually implemented Russification. Additionally, the Russian language was introduced into folk schools. Conclusively, speaking the Polish language was banned in institutions of education. There was also an attempt to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet into Polish.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe – you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That’s what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.
     
    This is what pro-Soviet, pro-killing of Slavs and Balts Beckow considers to be "nothing illegal or unusual":

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Latvia/The-Soviet-occupation-and-incorporation

    1940:

    After Latvia was annexed into the Soviet Union, a period known as the “year of terror” ensued. In the first year of Soviet occupation, about 35,000 Latvians, especially the intelligentsia, were deported to eastern portions of the U.S.S.R., many of them to prison camps in Siberia.

    After World War II:

    Extreme Russification numbed national cultural life. Several waves of mass deportation—of at least 140,000 people—to northern Russia and Siberia occurred, most notably in 1949 in connection with a campaign to collectivize agriculture. Large-scale immigration from Russia and other parts of the Soviet Union began and continued throughout the postwar period. In just over 40 years the proportion of Latvians in the population dropped from roughly three-fourths to little more than one-half, and the Russian language dominated both public and private life.

    ::::::::::::

    What a sick and bloodthirsty individual! This is normal to him.

    No wonder he supports Putin.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  197. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e

    There's also Bulgarian and Serb public opinion. Some demos in cosmopolitan Prague indicate that not all Czechs are on board with your preferred Banderite slant of heroic Ukraine as a valuable anti-Russian base.

    Replies: @AP

    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e

    It doubled its support to 20%. 80% of Romanians support other parties.

    Serbia and Bulgaria are in the Balkans (Romania, too).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    This is off-topic, but it's quite impressive that Romania has been such a huge economic success over the last 30 years. Its prosperity levels are now comparable to Hungary's even though it is on average between 1/3 and 1/2 of a standard deviation duller than Hungarians are. Its corruption levels are also comparable to those of Hungary. Romania has now even begun attracting a lot of immigrants:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/04/27/romanias-hot-economy-is-attracting-foreign-workers

    Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe now appears to be attracting both their own Western expatriates and skilled workers in much larger numbers:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/01/28/how-the-pandemic-reversed-old-migration-patterns-in-europe

    https://www.dw.com/en/rising-labor-migration-in-poland-hungary-and-czechia/a-66205353

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Yevardian
    @AP

    Can't access the article, but I assume it means AUR?
    Because that's still a joke party without serious people in it, doesn't even have a charismatic firebrand like Vadim Tudor (Zhirik type figure who started his grift by bashing Hungarians) used to be.
    But I do like how on their party-logo the EU stars completely obscure Romania's outlined border with Moldova/Ukraine/Russia, nice troll there.

  198. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    > Makes one wonder if draft dodging is more widespread in places like Odessa than in central and western Ukraine.

    Yes - that was clear even a year ago. https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1619347222830923778

    I strongly suspect AP underplays the propensity towards draft evasion in Ukraine for Ukrainian patriotism reasons and over-privileging of reports from his much higher than average patriotism relatives. Ukraine's problems with getting additional manpower isn't some big secret and is getting covered by Western MSM. It stands to logic - once the early ideological types are mostly all dead or wounded, the locus of recruitment for both Russia and Ukraine must necessarily shift to older, provincial, middle-aged "losers". So at this point I'm rather doubtful 80-90% Ukrainian war support will survive another major mobilization wave which will of necessity now have to be much more coercive than the earlier ones.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    What about Ukraine relying much more on drones in future military operations of its? I suspect that the West would be very eager to help Ukraine develop drones. It’s pretty cheap financially and can also save a lot of Ukrainian manpower, no? And couldn’t drones be combined with AI in the long-run? The West is, of course, a global leader in AI development.

    As a side note, what specifically makes conscription less moral for Ukraine in 2022 than for the various participants in WWI in the 1910s? You could say that morals evolved, but that’s only partially true. Even several Western countries nowadays still have conscription, and the ones that don’t have NATO’s protection, so they don’t really need conscription any longer. Had the political and military situation in Europe right now been as unstable as it was in, say, the interwar era, I suspect that many more European countries would have had conscription. And the US was able to avoid conscription in Afghanistan and Iraq because it had a sufficiently large pool of military volunteers AND could offer various perks to get more volunteers. This, combined with the relatively low-tech of the enemies whom the US was fighting in these places, allowed the US to avoid conscription when fighting them, unlike when it was fighting, say, the Norks or the Vietnamese Communists during the Cold War.

    As a side note, it seems like eastern and southern Ukrainians became almost as pro-EU as central and western Ukrainians did, and not quite as pro-NATO but still much more pro-NATO than anti-NATO nowadays, but also with eastern and southern Ukrainians still being much less willing to fight for their country (at least without them being forced to do so, in which case I suspect that some of them would acquiesce) than central and western Ukrainians are. So, it seems like passivity is a trait that still remains in eastern and southern Ukrainians, but with their default mode being shifted from moderately pro-Russian (similar to Canada’s relationship with the US) in early 2014 to rather strongly pro-Western by late 2023.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    relying much more on drones in future military operations
     
    Much like "hypersonics", the introduction of "drones" as a permanent game changer are highly over promised. Will tactics adapt? Of course! Will it change the strategic balance of power? Unlikely.

    A suicide drone with a 100kg payload will have to face off against a swarm of 50-100 defense drones each with a 1kg payload. The Pantsir S1 already provides drone point defense. Poland is committed to developing its own equivalent. Guns firing inexpensive bullets is an obvious win versus more expensive drones.

    Gordon Dickson's Dorsai series [MORE] illustrated this issue decades ago.

    PEACE 😇


    https://www.amazon.com/Dorsai-Childe-Cycle-Book-1-ebook/dp/B00GS9FLJM

    Replies: @John Johnson

  199. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e
     
    It doubled its support to 20%. 80% of Romanians support other parties.

    Serbia and Bulgaria are in the Balkans (Romania, too).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian

    This is off-topic, but it’s quite impressive that Romania has been such a huge economic success over the last 30 years. Its prosperity levels are now comparable to Hungary’s even though it is on average between 1/3 and 1/2 of a standard deviation duller than Hungarians are. Its corruption levels are also comparable to those of Hungary. Romania has now even begun attracting a lot of immigrants:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/04/27/romanias-hot-economy-is-attracting-foreign-workers

    Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe now appears to be attracting both their own Western expatriates and skilled workers in much larger numbers:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/01/28/how-the-pandemic-reversed-old-migration-patterns-in-europe

    https://www.dw.com/en/rising-labor-migration-in-poland-hungary-and-czechia/a-66205353

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe now appears to be attracting both their own Western expatriates and skilled workers in much larger numbers:
     
    Not sure this is any kind of a trend, but I have some anecdotal evidence of a few Westerners wanting to move to the EE (or have already moved), interestingly, they tend to be younger guys, which is totally awesome.
  200. @LatW
    @Beckow


    I am sorry, that amounts to nothing – there is always some “discrimination“. In every society, then and now. Especially about high posts.
     
    Well, to discriminate based on ethnicity in a country that you have occupied is not that normal. They also shouldn't have been allowed to conscript our men (to send to their wars) and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws. I don't agree with AP on quite a few things, but you also tend to mislead, in this case, by shrugging off serious matters. Forced Russification was an objective fact, forced Russification is not better than forced Germanization.

    You may be the one who is uninformed, since you've never lived in the Soviet Union. I can guarantee you that most Slovaks would have hated it.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws.

    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just. 😉 Ilya Somin previously pointed out how countries were previously assumed to have the power to regulate both speech and religion but that this power has been significantly frowned upon in the present-day in democratic countries other than in exceptional circumstances.

    I don’t think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren’t enough of them to form a majority of the total population there. But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia and who have lived there for decades (the younger two, who are now in their 50s and are unfortunately both still childless, were both born in Tallinn, Estonia IIRC back when Estonia was still a part of the Soviet Union).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just.
     
    Actually, this is probably something that should have been voted on in a referendum - thus decided directly by the population. Political parties probably cannot be trusted in this case, given how they all, when in power, start aligning with some wider political consensus to keep immigration going. Unless there was ever a party in power that could really make a difference.

    I don’t think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren’t enough of them to form a majority of the total population there.
     
    They're not fully assimilated, but they are well integrated, they are good people and valuable workers. They have cute children, too, I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. :)

    But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia
     
    She should be doing ok, Tallinn is a cozy little place with slightly higher living standards than elsewhere. It might be that they take slightly better care of their Russians than in Latvia. I think they care more for people in general.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  201. @Beckow
    @LatW

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe - you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That's what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    In EE outside SU there was no "assimilation" or what you call "Russification". That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc...

    In Czechoslovakia there were informal rules about dividing top posts: if the commie boss was a Slovak, then the premier was Czech, and there were rough guidelines that were not always observed. It by the way never applied to sport or culture. But to hallucinate about "Russian assimilation" and seemingly believe it - as many Americans do - is so stupid that it boggles one's mind.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @AP

    International law states the following:

    When a territory is placed under the authority of a hostile army, the rules of international humanitarian law dealing with occupation apply. Occupation confers certain rights and obligations on the occupying power.

    Prohibited actions include forcibly transferring protected persons from the occupied territories to the territory of the occupying power.
    It is unlawful under the Fourth Geneva Convention for an occupying power to transfer parts of its own population into the territory it occupies.

    I’m sure there was strong censorship in the Warsaw Pact states when it comes to distribution of certain cultural material. Certain books were banned in Poland. It damaged their intellectual life, they were not free, the Baltic culture, too, was partly stifled.

    By the way, I just wanted to add about Eastern Euro countries being divided (even if I don’t even believe they’re that divided): regardless of how one feels about the Russo-Ukrainian war, all these countries still have a chance to develop in a positive way. It would be great to have friendly relations with everyone, but life goes on – we can continue to build and improve our lives and protect our culture.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    All over history borders have changed constantly. You declaring that Latvia was "occupied" is one view, but reality is that the territory of Latvia was never well defined and belonged to Germany, Sweden...and then for 200 years to Russia. It always had Russians living there, according to 1910 census 12%.

    You are trying to retroactively exact revenge on history. Can the Irish suppress all anglo-phones? Finns Swedes? Italians Austrians?... the list of aggrieved in Europe is endless. If it was de facto a single country and people moved around it was not a "colonization". It sounds unreal when you claim it - an embittered local-patriot stuck in the past.


    It would be great to have friendly relations with everyone
     
    Sure, maybe you should include Russians in the "everyone". In the countries where we don't hate them - they are just like everyone else - your silly hostility has now led to a bloody war. That is a bit mentally off, you are unable to live in the present. But I doubt you will understand..

    Replies: @LatW

  202. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What about Ukraine relying much more on drones in future military operations of its? I suspect that the West would be very eager to help Ukraine develop drones. It's pretty cheap financially and can also save a lot of Ukrainian manpower, no? And couldn't drones be combined with AI in the long-run? The West is, of course, a global leader in AI development.

    As a side note, what specifically makes conscription less moral for Ukraine in 2022 than for the various participants in WWI in the 1910s? You could say that morals evolved, but that's only partially true. Even several Western countries nowadays still have conscription, and the ones that don't have NATO's protection, so they don't really need conscription any longer. Had the political and military situation in Europe right now been as unstable as it was in, say, the interwar era, I suspect that many more European countries would have had conscription. And the US was able to avoid conscription in Afghanistan and Iraq because it had a sufficiently large pool of military volunteers AND could offer various perks to get more volunteers. This, combined with the relatively low-tech of the enemies whom the US was fighting in these places, allowed the US to avoid conscription when fighting them, unlike when it was fighting, say, the Norks or the Vietnamese Communists during the Cold War.

    As a side note, it seems like eastern and southern Ukrainians became almost as pro-EU as central and western Ukrainians did, and not quite as pro-NATO but still much more pro-NATO than anti-NATO nowadays, but also with eastern and southern Ukrainians still being much less willing to fight for their country (at least without them being forced to do so, in which case I suspect that some of them would acquiesce) than central and western Ukrainians are. So, it seems like passivity is a trait that still remains in eastern and southern Ukrainians, but with their default mode being shifted from moderately pro-Russian (similar to Canada's relationship with the US) in early 2014 to rather strongly pro-Western by late 2023.

    Replies: @A123

    relying much more on drones in future military operations

    Much like “hypersonics”, the introduction of “drones” as a permanent game changer are highly over promised. Will tactics adapt? Of course! Will it change the strategic balance of power? Unlikely.

    A suicide drone with a 100kg payload will have to face off against a swarm of 50-100 defense drones each with a 1kg payload. The Pantsir S1 already provides drone point defense. Poland is committed to developing its own equivalent. Guns firing inexpensive bullets is an obvious win versus more expensive drones.

    Gordon Dickson’s Dorsai series [MORE] illustrated this issue decades ago.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    A suicide drone with a 100kg payload will have to face off against a swarm of 50-100 defense drones each with a 1kg payload.

    There will be swarms of drones in the sky like flocks of birds.

    Any tank or mobile AA gun will be a target.

    They've been working on the iron dome system for years and it was overloaded with backyard Hamas rockets.

    That's how drone defenses will fail. They'll just be overwhelmed by quantity.

    Then there will also be Turkish type drones at high altitude.

    Any invading force would be torn to pieces after crossing the border.

    The Pantsir S1 already provides drone point defense. Poland is committed to developing its own equivalent. Guns firing inexpensive bullets is an obvious win versus more expensive drones.

    Guns firing inexpensive bullets is an obvious win versus more expensive drones.

    No that isn't obvious with hundreds of glider drones and only one needs to get through.

  203. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    and sending in colonists into an occupied country is also against international laws.
     
    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just. ;) Ilya Somin previously pointed out how countries were previously assumed to have the power to regulate both speech and religion but that this power has been significantly frowned upon in the present-day in democratic countries other than in exceptional circumstances.

    I don't think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren't enough of them to form a majority of the total population there. But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia and who have lived there for decades (the younger two, who are now in their 50s and are unfortunately both still childless, were both born in Tallinn, Estonia IIRC back when Estonia was still a part of the Soviet Union).

    Replies: @LatW

    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just.

    Actually, this is probably something that should have been voted on in a referendum – thus decided directly by the population. Political parties probably cannot be trusted in this case, given how they all, when in power, start aligning with some wider political consensus to keep immigration going. Unless there was ever a party in power that could really make a difference.

    [MORE]

    I don’t think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren’t enough of them to form a majority of the total population there.

    They’re not fully assimilated, but they are well integrated, they are good people and valuable workers. They have cute children, too, I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. 🙂

    But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia

    She should be doing ok, Tallinn is a cozy little place with slightly higher living standards than elsewhere. It might be that they take slightly better care of their Russians than in Latvia. I think they care more for people in general.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. 🙂
     
    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn't care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.

    Replies: @LatW, @silviosilver

  204. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    This is off-topic, but it's quite impressive that Romania has been such a huge economic success over the last 30 years. Its prosperity levels are now comparable to Hungary's even though it is on average between 1/3 and 1/2 of a standard deviation duller than Hungarians are. Its corruption levels are also comparable to those of Hungary. Romania has now even begun attracting a lot of immigrants:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/04/27/romanias-hot-economy-is-attracting-foreign-workers

    Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe now appears to be attracting both their own Western expatriates and skilled workers in much larger numbers:

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/01/28/how-the-pandemic-reversed-old-migration-patterns-in-europe

    https://www.dw.com/en/rising-labor-migration-in-poland-hungary-and-czechia/a-66205353

    Replies: @LatW

    Interestingly enough, Eastern Europe now appears to be attracting both their own Western expatriates and skilled workers in much larger numbers:

    Not sure this is any kind of a trend, but I have some anecdotal evidence of a few Westerners wanting to move to the EE (or have already moved), interestingly, they tend to be younger guys, which is totally awesome.

  205. @Beckow
    @AP

    Regarding opinions you don't know what you are talking about. Ukies don't count - we don't consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn't include Russia.

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Czechia is more divided than you think, the commie President says that Kiev will lose but Prague intellectuals are to the west of California in their devotion to anything 'merican, they are eternal brown-nosers who loved Habsburgs, Nazis, commies. The rest is divided, Zeman, Klaus, Babis, former leaders are all against the war.

    Not sure about Bulgaria - a country that definitely wouldn't exist without Russia. Croats, Slovenes, Moldovans, I don't know. It is pretty evenly split.


    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated...
     
    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was "assimilated", there was never even any talk about it. The native cultures actually blossomed, commies were not "nationalist". Are you completely mad? Were the schools shut down, languages banned, what are you hallucinating about?

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LatW, @AP

    Regarding opinions you don’t know what you are talking about. Ukies don’t count – we don’t consider them any more Euro than Russians and you didn’t include Russia.

    You mentioned attitudes towards Russia – you wrote, “Eastern Europe is no longer a “group”, if it ever was. We are divided by the war and the general attitude toward Russians”

    So Russians wouldn’t count. Ukrainians and Belarussians do. If they are not Eastern Europe, what is?

    That means Poland, Balts, probably Romania are on the anti-Russia pro-war side.
    Hungary, Slovakia, Austria (Habsburgs), Serbia are not.

    Austria is not in Eastern Europe. Nor is Germany.

    Serbia is in the Balkans.

    That leaves SLovakia and its masterm, Hungary.

    Funny thing about Slovakia – it is eager to support whoever slaughters Eastern Europeans. It was quick to join the Nazis right when the Nazis were ready to murder Slavs, and when the Nazis were done murdering Slavs the Slovaks lost their affiliation towards them, and had an uprising to join the Soviets who were murdering Slavs and Balts. And now , Slovakia seems to take Russia’s side as Russia murders Eastern European Ukrainians.

    Magyars were historically horrible towards Slavs, yet Slovaks didn’t really revolt against them. In 1848 only a couple thousand tried and they were outnumbered by the Slovaks fighting for the Hungarians. Galicians volunteered to kill Magyars but Slovaks kept mostly quiet.

    Whenever someone was killing Slavs or Balts, the Slovaks could be counted on to be on their side.

    What is wrong with you people?

    Czechia is more divided than you think

    Given your record of dishonesty, I won’t take your word for it.

    Romania and Bulgaria are in the Balkans.

    Latvia and Estonia are lighter in color due to their high ethnic Russian population (Russians are 25% of Latvia), who obviously view Russia as less of a threat than do ethnic Latvians and Estonians.

    So anti-Russia: Poland, Czechia, and the Baltics countries (total population: 52 million – 83 million if you include Ukraine)

    Not anti-Russian: Hungary and Slovakia (total population 15.3 million – 24.5 million if you include Belarus). Although even the majority of Slovaks view Russia as a threat (62%). It’s just a lot lower than Czechs (84%), Poles (90%) and Balts. In Hungary it is only 45%. I’m including Slovakia in the pro-Russian camp because Slovaks voted for Fico and because 62% is rather weak compared to the Poles, Czechs, and Balts. But one could only include Hungarians as not being anti-Russia based on attitude.

    So you lied when you claimed that Eastern Europeans were evenly divided. A fairly small minority support Russia. Just the non-Slavic Hungarians and their Slovak traditional lackeys.

    Russia has successfully destroyed/assimilated…

    Has it? Between 1945-89 Russia had control over Eastern Europe and not a single country was “assimilated”, there was never even any talk about it.

    It’s been doing that far longer than that. Ukrainian language was mostly banned in the 19th century. Russians were even trying to Russify the Poles!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions

    “In 1869, the Warsaw Main School was closed down, and in its location, the Russian language Imperial University was opened. The years 1869–1885 saw the systematic removal of the Polish language from the education system, the end result, in 1885, was its placement as a second, uncompulsory school language. Only religion was taught in Polish. Dmitry Ilovaysky’s history text books were enforced in school history classes, falsifying history and as such continually implemented Russification. Additionally, the Russian language was introduced into folk schools. Conclusively, speaking the Polish language was banned in institutions of education. There was also an attempt to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet into Polish.”

    After 1945, Moscow was trying to destroy the Baltic peoples, sending them to Siberia while importing Russian colonists onto their lands. In Ukraine it was trying to Russify them.

    Maybe in addition to your natural instinct to support whoever is killing Slavs and/or Balts, Slovaks are less anti-Russian because they never tasted direct Russian rule, unlike Poles (until 1918), Ukrainians, and Balts.

    Maybe that is the split in Eastern Europe. The majority of Eastern Europeans, who at one time were in the same state ruled by Moscow (Poles, Balts, and Ukrainians), versus those who were not (Slovaks and Hungarians). Czechs are a different case, but nice to see them on the right side.

  206. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Anti-Ukraine party gathers strength in Romania
    https://www.ft.com/content/31af3e55-97f7-4bc2-a4e6-89ed2c0c461e
     
    It doubled its support to 20%. 80% of Romanians support other parties.

    Serbia and Bulgaria are in the Balkans (Romania, too).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian

    Can’t access the article, but I assume it means AUR?
    Because that’s still a joke party without serious people in it, doesn’t even have a charismatic firebrand like Vadim Tudor (Zhirik type figure who started his grift by bashing Hungarians) used to be.
    But I do like how on their party-logo the EU stars completely obscure Romania’s outlined border with Moldova/Ukraine/Russia, nice troll there.

    • Agree: AP
  207. @Beckow
    @LatW

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe - you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That's what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    In EE outside SU there was no "assimilation" or what you call "Russification". That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc...

    In Czechoslovakia there were informal rules about dividing top posts: if the commie boss was a Slovak, then the premier was Czech, and there were rough guidelines that were not always observed. It by the way never applied to sport or culture. But to hallucinate about "Russian assimilation" and seemingly believe it - as many Americans do - is so stupid that it boggles one's mind.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @AP

    In EE outside SU there was no “assimilation” or what you call “Russification”. That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc…

    You left the Russification, liar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Ukaz

    on May 18, 1876, Alexander signed what would come to be called the Ems Ukaz, which extended the publication ban to all books and song lyrics in the “Little Russian dialect” and prohibited the import of such materials. Also, public lectures, plays, and song performances in Ukrainian were forbidden, as well as teaching of any discipline in Ukrainian. Prohibited was also preservation or circulation of any Ukrainian book in school libraries. Teachers suspected of Ukrainophilism were removed from teaching

    And this, in Poland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions

    In 1869, the Warsaw Main School was closed down, and in its location, the Russian language Imperial University was opened. The years 1869–1885 saw the systematic removal of the Polish language from the education system, the end result, in 1885, was its placement as a second, uncompulsory school language. Only religion was taught in Polish. Dmitry Ilovaysky’s history text books were enforced in school history classes, falsifying history and as such continually implemented Russification. Additionally, the Russian language was introduced into folk schools. Conclusively, speaking the Polish language was banned in institutions of education. There was also an attempt to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet into Polish.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    You might be interested in this: During WWI, Arnold Toynbee, a British scholar and journalist, advocated in favor of having a reformed Russia make Ukrainian an official language alone with Russian as a way of getting Ukrainians to finally reconcile themselves to and embrace Russian rule:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee


    In regards to Ukraine (also known as "Little Russia"), Toynbee rejected both home rule[29] and a federal solution for Ukraine.[30] Toynbee's objection to the federal solution stemmed from his fear that a federated Russia would be too divided to have a unifying center of gravity and would thus be at risk of fragmentation and breaking up just like the United States previously did for a time during its own civil war.[30] In place of autonomy, Toynbee proposed making the Ukrainian language co-official in the Great Russian parts of the Russian Empire so that Ukrainians (or Little Russians) could become members of the Russian body politic as Great Russians' peers rather than as Great Russians' inferiors.[31] Toynbee also argued that if the Ukrainian language were not able to become competitive with Russian even if the Ukrainian language were to be given official status in Russia, then this would prove once and for all the superior vitality of the Russian language (which, according to Toynbee, was used to write great literature while the Ukrainian language was only used to write peasant ballads).[32]
     
    What do you think of this idea?

    FWIW, here is the original 1915 book source for this idea by the very same author:

    https://archive.org/details/nationalitywar00toyngoog/page/318/mode/2up?q=slovenia

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    You have a reading comprehension problem. Nobody gives a sh..t about 19th century in your remote borderlands. You were claiming previously that Russia "assimilated" people post-WW2 in the territories it controlled (it won the war), you meant the Warsaw Pact countries. That is simply a lie. One of many your underdeveloped 'merican' mind lives in. Like your worship of the incest-retards Habsburgs.

    There was no assimilation or Russification in Eastern European countries after WW2 - none, whatsover. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland were not "assimilated". You made it up, or you believe total nonsense.

    If you want to argue about the 19th century and dig up "school policies" in different countries we could do it endlessly. It was the same everywhere at that time: from England to Habsburgs, from Ottomans to Sweden they were heavily promoting their own languages on the territories they controlled. It was the era of nationalism - you seem like an unpleasant throw-back from that past. After WW2 it didn't happen no matter what your Hollywood movies told you.

    Replies: @AP

  208. @Beckow
    @LatW

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe - you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That's what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    In EE outside SU there was no "assimilation" or what you call "Russification". That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc...

    In Czechoslovakia there were informal rules about dividing top posts: if the commie boss was a Slovak, then the premier was Czech, and there were rough guidelines that were not always observed. It by the way never applied to sport or culture. But to hallucinate about "Russian assimilation" and seemingly believe it - as many Americans do - is so stupid that it boggles one's mind.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @AP

    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe – you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That’s what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.

    This is what pro-Soviet, pro-killing of Slavs and Balts Beckow considers to be “nothing illegal or unusual”:

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Latvia/The-Soviet-occupation-and-incorporation

    1940:

    After Latvia was annexed into the Soviet Union, a period known as the “year of terror” ensued. In the first year of Soviet occupation, about 35,000 Latvians, especially the intelligentsia, were deported to eastern portions of the U.S.S.R., many of them to prison camps in Siberia.

    After World War II:

    Extreme Russification numbed national cultural life. Several waves of mass deportation—of at least 140,000 people—to northern Russia and Siberia occurred, most notably in 1949 in connection with a campaign to collectivize agriculture. Large-scale immigration from Russia and other parts of the Soviet Union began and continued throughout the postwar period. In just over 40 years the proportion of Latvians in the population dropped from roughly three-fourths to little more than one-half, and the Russian language dominated both public and private life.

    ::::::::::::

    What a sick and bloodthirsty individual! This is normal to him.

    No wonder he supports Putin.

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    IIRC, Anatoly Karlin has a similar view on this, specifically with him arguing (or at least having argued in the past) that Latvians got their just desserts in 1940 after previously voting for the Bolsheviks in huge numbers back in 1917, unlike both Russians and Ukrainians, who both preferred to vote for some type of Socialist Revolutionary parties in 1917 instead. You yourself have previously argued that the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe and the Communization of East Germany for several decades was karma for those regions voting for Hitler, right? Well, why exactly wouldn't similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election_results_map.svg

    Estonia, eastern Belarus, and St. Petersburg (Leningrad in Communist times) also voted for the Bolsheviks in 1917. The first of these also got decades of Communist rule and partial population replacement and the latter two of these got severe devastation (both physical and demographic devastation) in WWII.

    Replies: @LatW

  209. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    There's no flipping. All nationalist and right-wing "thought" has been invalidated, and my consistent principle has always been that what is falling should be pushed and that losers must be brutally punished. I am one of the most ideologically consistent posters that ever was, unbothered with burning accumulated social capital and foregoing financial opportunities time and time again in service of the universe's teleology.

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    I am looking forwards to dissolving r*ghtoids in an Open Borders multicultural tsunami of vibrancy and diversity, and then reconfiguring the resultant soup itself along network state lines.

    I now officially award you the title Anatoly, Lord of Bitopia. Bitopia is a network state with an official currency of Bitcoin and with the official channel of BitChute:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute

    Pro-Western Rightoids can remain and/or become GAE-Lords, as in, Lords of the Greater American Empire.

  210. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > Only the Ukrainian people have the right to decide. So far they want liberation.

    Theoretically maybe but we are well aware that the population at large is biomass that is easily influenced by bad memes and has a poor grasp on economic or military realities. Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles (Putin croaks; coup)? (Probably Ukrainians are somewhat more rational than this than Gazans, more than half of whom were under the bizarre delusion they could win against Israel, but I doubt they are cardinally more so).

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?

    There's also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it's the socially expected answer, in reality, the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero: https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1724408466624684494

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire. They probably have a more realistic outlook on what a long war would entail than plebs on the street and Zelensky who'd be the political fall guy for it.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    A bit off-topic, but if Russia will keep Melitopol in addition to Mariupol, do you think that both of those cities would become millionniks within several decades’ time?

    BTW, is this map (based on an original 1875 one) ethnographic map of Ukraine in 1875 actually accurate?

    Ethnographic Map of Ukraine, Belarus, and Southwestern Russia in 1875 – Section of “An Ethnographic Map of European Russia” by Aleksandr Rittikh (1875) SVG-ized by Wikipedia user ZxcvU
    byu/Shahanshah26 inMapPorn



    Was the Crimean Corridor Russian-plurality back then?

    BTW, Ukraine has recently achieved a small success on the front lines:

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24338

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    I doubt the map is accurate, it shows far more Germans than Poles in Volhynia when according to the 1897 census there were slightly more Poles. I doubt this would have changed radically from 1875.

    Also according to the 1897 census, the Crimean corridor was majority Ukrainian:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Gub_Tavria_ethno_1897.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  211. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Only if one believes that the current international law in regards to immigration is actually just.
     
    Actually, this is probably something that should have been voted on in a referendum - thus decided directly by the population. Political parties probably cannot be trusted in this case, given how they all, when in power, start aligning with some wider political consensus to keep immigration going. Unless there was ever a party in power that could really make a difference.

    I don’t think that Muslims or Africans would assimilate very well in Latvia, but the Eastern Slavs in Latvia have assimilated great and there aren’t enough of them to form a majority of the total population there.
     
    They're not fully assimilated, but they are well integrated, they are good people and valuable workers. They have cute children, too, I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. :)

    But I might be biased: I have Eastern Slavic relatives who live in Tallinn, Estonia
     
    She should be doing ok, Tallinn is a cozy little place with slightly higher living standards than elsewhere. It might be that they take slightly better care of their Russians than in Latvia. I think they care more for people in general.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. 🙂

    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn’t care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn’t care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.
     
    That's cool, I'm sure you were smart and talented already at that age. But this boy was only 5! We were naming random countries and he could tell what the population was in each country. He was also very well built.

    Btw, if you're interested, just as an FYI - the quality of water is slightly better in Estonia than in Russia (and air quality is definitely much better - it's even better in Estonia than in Denmark). Quality of water is measured by the so called DALY score (disability-adjusted life year) - in Estonia it is 61.9, in Russia and Ukraine - 55. 59 and 58 in Lat and Lith accordingly. Not a big difference but may have an effect over long term.

    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). :(

    Human Development Index is 0.89 in Estonia, 0.82 in Russia. Again, not a big difference, but it might have a slight effect on the quality of life. Estonia almost fits into top 30 countries by HDI, Russia almost into top 50.

    Replies: @S

    , @silviosilver
    @Mr. XYZ

    Bro, it only counts if you did at ten or younger (ahem, like myself).

    I also learned all the countries' religions.

    I was crushed to learn less than half the world was Christian.

    And almost as crushed to learn how much of it was muzz. (I started 'hating' early - and it was self-taught hate, too. I remember some book I read had color-coded maps showing the expansion of Islam. What a nightmarish, despairing sight, I'll never forget it.)

  212. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    good and peaceful Sikhs
     
    This is why you're weird & sick + I wouldn't let you around kids.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Is it my fault that you’re unable to write anything cogent that helps explain the seeming differences found within your religious movement? Did you watch any of the clips within Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere’s comment #146? A Sikh soup kitchen designed to help feed those less fortunate. Now look at the Rambo/rocket launcher type clips tht you regularly show us within your comments. If you have nothing more to say on the topic, I’m about to cut it off and you can return to doing your bench presses.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Degh_Tegh

    Stop trying to distort Sikhi into some pseudo christian cult where peace is good & violence bad.

    You're a christcuck.

    I don't want to share my religion with you because I don't think you're worthy of joining it. Now cut it out you weird pedo..

    ਅਕਾਲ

  213. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...this won’t matter if these extra people will be restive, well, that also applies to Ukraine after a hypothetical Russian conquest
     
    Boy, what a chaotic mind you show. To you the Palis expelled to other Arab countries are the same as Russians who live in Ukraine? How would that work?

    The desperation is setting in. Kiev is losing the war. Israel is winning but won't be able to do the expulsion - too much global blowback. So it will be all for nothing. You sense that and twist the chaos into nonsensical analogies. Or maybe that's what is in your mind.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    To you the Palis expelled to other Arab countries are the same as Russians who live in Ukraine? How would that work?

    Both are extra human capital for the country/countries that gets/get them. And Russia not only wanted Ukraine’s Russians but also its Ukrainians. Had it only wanted Ukraine’s Russians, it would have left Ukraine’s January 2022 territories alone.

    Other than Crimea and Donbass, no oblasts in Ukraine were 30% Russian or more back in 2001.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  214. @AP
    @Beckow


    We can exclude the former SU from Eastern Europe – you guys had some specific issues: it was a single country (like America) and people moved. Latvians moved to St.Petersburg and others moved to Latvia. That’s what happens in a single country, there is nothing illegal or unusual about it.
     
    This is what pro-Soviet, pro-killing of Slavs and Balts Beckow considers to be "nothing illegal or unusual":

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Latvia/The-Soviet-occupation-and-incorporation

    1940:

    After Latvia was annexed into the Soviet Union, a period known as the “year of terror” ensued. In the first year of Soviet occupation, about 35,000 Latvians, especially the intelligentsia, were deported to eastern portions of the U.S.S.R., many of them to prison camps in Siberia.

    After World War II:

    Extreme Russification numbed national cultural life. Several waves of mass deportation—of at least 140,000 people—to northern Russia and Siberia occurred, most notably in 1949 in connection with a campaign to collectivize agriculture. Large-scale immigration from Russia and other parts of the Soviet Union began and continued throughout the postwar period. In just over 40 years the proportion of Latvians in the population dropped from roughly three-fourths to little more than one-half, and the Russian language dominated both public and private life.

    ::::::::::::

    What a sick and bloodthirsty individual! This is normal to him.

    No wonder he supports Putin.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    IIRC, Anatoly Karlin has a similar view on this, specifically with him arguing (or at least having argued in the past) that Latvians got their just desserts in 1940 after previously voting for the Bolsheviks in huge numbers back in 1917, unlike both Russians and Ukrainians, who both preferred to vote for some type of Socialist Revolutionary parties in 1917 instead. You yourself have previously argued that the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe and the Communization of East Germany for several decades was karma for those regions voting for Hitler, right? Well, why exactly wouldn’t similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?

    Estonia, eastern Belarus, and St. Petersburg (Leningrad in Communist times) also voted for the Bolsheviks in 1917. The first of these also got decades of Communist rule and partial population replacement and the latter two of these got severe devastation (both physical and demographic devastation) in WWII.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, why exactly wouldn’t similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?
     
    A bunch of Latvians fought against the Commies as well, including in Ukraine and Russia. And we kicked them out in 1920.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  215. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    I met a cute Russian boy (who is 10 now), Yaroslav, whom I really liked, not only was he super cute at age 5 but he could name every capital of every country, and I think he also knew the size of the population of all countries. Imagine being so well informed at that age. 🙂
     
    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn't care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.

    Replies: @LatW, @silviosilver

    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn’t care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.

    That’s cool, I’m sure you were smart and talented already at that age. But this boy was only 5! We were naming random countries and he could tell what the population was in each country. He was also very well built.

    Btw, if you’re interested, just as an FYI – the quality of water is slightly better in Estonia than in Russia (and air quality is definitely much better – it’s even better in Estonia than in Denmark). Quality of water is measured by the so called DALY score (disability-adjusted life year) – in Estonia it is 61.9, in Russia and Ukraine – 55. 59 and 58 in Lat and Lith accordingly. Not a big difference but may have an effect over long term.

    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). 🙁

    Human Development Index is 0.89 in Estonia, 0.82 in Russia. Again, not a big difference, but it might have a slight effect on the quality of life. Estonia almost fits into top 30 countries by HDI, Russia almost into top 50.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @S
    @LatW


    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). :-)
     
    It's scarier than that, even.

    Can't recall if it was in Nigeria, or Ghana, but the treatment of human waste was so poor there that the top soil had become permeated with measurable levels of fecal dust. In turn, due to high winds stirring this said dust up, the very air itself that people were regularly breathing in was said to have been 'fecalized'. :-(

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

  216. @AP
    @Beckow


    In EE outside SU there was no “assimilation” or what you call “Russification”. That was my point, AP was wrong. Pre-commies there was plenty of Germanization-Polonization-Magyarization etc…
     
    You left the Russification, liar:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Ukaz

    on May 18, 1876, Alexander signed what would come to be called the Ems Ukaz, which extended the publication ban to all books and song lyrics in the "Little Russian dialect" and prohibited the import of such materials. Also, public lectures, plays, and song performances in Ukrainian were forbidden, as well as teaching of any discipline in Ukrainian. Prohibited was also preservation or circulation of any Ukrainian book in school libraries. Teachers suspected of Ukrainophilism were removed from teaching

    And this, in Poland:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Poles_during_the_Partitions

    In 1869, the Warsaw Main School was closed down, and in its location, the Russian language Imperial University was opened. The years 1869–1885 saw the systematic removal of the Polish language from the education system, the end result, in 1885, was its placement as a second, uncompulsory school language. Only religion was taught in Polish. Dmitry Ilovaysky's history text books were enforced in school history classes, falsifying history and as such continually implemented Russification. Additionally, the Russian language was introduced into folk schools. Conclusively, speaking the Polish language was banned in institutions of education. There was also an attempt to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet into Polish.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You might be interested in this: During WWI, Arnold Toynbee, a British scholar and journalist, advocated in favor of having a reformed Russia make Ukrainian an official language alone with Russian as a way of getting Ukrainians to finally reconcile themselves to and embrace Russian rule:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee

    In regards to Ukraine (also known as “Little Russia”), Toynbee rejected both home rule[29] and a federal solution for Ukraine.[30] Toynbee’s objection to the federal solution stemmed from his fear that a federated Russia would be too divided to have a unifying center of gravity and would thus be at risk of fragmentation and breaking up just like the United States previously did for a time during its own civil war.[30] In place of autonomy, Toynbee proposed making the Ukrainian language co-official in the Great Russian parts of the Russian Empire so that Ukrainians (or Little Russians) could become members of the Russian body politic as Great Russians’ peers rather than as Great Russians’ inferiors.[31] Toynbee also argued that if the Ukrainian language were not able to become competitive with Russian even if the Ukrainian language were to be given official status in Russia, then this would prove once and for all the superior vitality of the Russian language (which, according to Toynbee, was used to write great literature while the Ukrainian language was only used to write peasant ballads).[32]

    What do you think of this idea?

    FWIW, here is the original 1915 book source for this idea by the very same author:

    https://archive.org/details/nationalitywar00toyngoog/page/318/mode/2up?q=slovenia

  217. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    IIRC, Anatoly Karlin has a similar view on this, specifically with him arguing (or at least having argued in the past) that Latvians got their just desserts in 1940 after previously voting for the Bolsheviks in huge numbers back in 1917, unlike both Russians and Ukrainians, who both preferred to vote for some type of Socialist Revolutionary parties in 1917 instead. You yourself have previously argued that the expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe and the Communization of East Germany for several decades was karma for those regions voting for Hitler, right? Well, why exactly wouldn't similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election_results_map.svg

    Estonia, eastern Belarus, and St. Petersburg (Leningrad in Communist times) also voted for the Bolsheviks in 1917. The first of these also got decades of Communist rule and partial population replacement and the latter two of these got severe devastation (both physical and demographic devastation) in WWII.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, why exactly wouldn’t similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?

    A bunch of Latvians fought against the Commies as well, including in Ukraine and Russia. And we kicked them out in 1920.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yes, and that was pretty based of you. Too bad that the Red Latvian Riflemen had such an extremely toxic and negative impact upon Russia itself, though. Afterwards the Communist cancer spread to Ukraine, Central Asia, the Baltics, Eastern Europe, et cetera. :(

    I'm surprised that the Communists/Bolsheviks failed to seize power in Latvia after WWI given that the Latvian people supported them in 1917. Did the Red Terror in Russia cause a lot of Latvians to have second thoughts about them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    I know that Emma Goldman (not a Latvian) became disenfranchised with the Bolsheviks after they crushed the Kronstadt rebellion in 1921.

    Replies: @LatW

  218. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Interesting upon quick perusal, along with some agreeable (not all) observations. Something like Saker?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Rollo states that Saker wa a big fan of this dilution of Russian nationalistic feeling:

    now Putin brags about his anti-Russian agenda openly. And of course, shameless shills like Saker were very enthusiastic about the program in their time as well. They argued that it was proof that Russia was anti-racist and that the West was run by Anglo-Nazis who were only pretending to be tolerant. This is, of course, the Kremlin line as well. They are trying to beat the West at its own game when it comes to multi-kulti.

    Are you a fan of this “multi-kulti” approach for Russia too? Are you for Putler’s obvious marketing campaign to lure more Chechens and other Muslims into the Russian hinterland?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    I support Open Borders and the obligation of people identifying as Russians, Germans, White Americans, and Israeli Jews to check their privilege.

    However those identifying as Chechens or Muslims must recognize that Islamist identitarianism, toxic m*sculinity, and other regressive thought patterns are incompatible with harmony and prosperity.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  219. @songbird
    Any motorheads here? (Probably not the right forum, but sometimes lay opinions/experience are better.

    Let me ask a question: suppose I want to store a lead vehicle battery that is in a very cold environment over winter but I am pretty lazy.

    Is it enough to disconnect the battery and put it inside the interior of the vehicle? (Where I imagine it would be a bit drier?)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @S

    Let me ask a question: suppose I want to store a lead vehicle battery that is in a very cold environment over winter but I am pretty lazy.

    How cold?

    The real problem with a lead battery is that it discharges over time. That will permanently reduce the battery capability if it gets low enough. It may seem to work fine but they really aren’t designed to be stored long term. The battery gets low and then people turn over a stored car which does additional damage. If you are storing a car it is much better if you can start it up every month and let it run for 10 minutes. That charges the battery and pushes some fluids around.
     
    Wally world has a $20 everstart trickle charger that works great. Just stick it on a shelf in a basement. It’s really easy.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson

    Mainly worried about it fully discharging and freezing. Will charge it back up in spring before using it.

    In theory, I think disconnecting it would prevent a lot of parasitic drain. But what worries me is the moisture. Since batteries are so dense, I think they store heat really well, and probably cause a greater temperature difference than many things, and so probably are dew magnets in the cold, and that might bridge the terminals, causing parasitic drain.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  220. @songbird
    I half-believe that Mr. Hack has already absconded to fight for Khalistan independence, and he is only goading Sher Singh into the same by taunting him about how Sikhs in NA seem so peaceful.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    Funny thing though, Sher Singh is nowhere in sight to be seen? I thought for sure that Mr. Rambo Sher Singh would be in his homeland fighting for liberation? Instead, it looks like he’s fallen prey to the health club/jacuzzi lifestyle so prevalent in NA. If you have any other theories, I’m all ears…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://twitter.com/JDKnox4/status/1458940077757935620

  221. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Does the average Ukrainian grapple with RU/UA manpower ratios and what they imply for future losses in the absence of technological (quantum leap in drones) or political miracles
     
    People are pretty aware of what is happening in their own country, particularly one that is of medium size, such as Ukraine. If losses were huge the people might be less insistent on liberating their occupied lands.

    Ukraine is supposedly building a lot of drones.

    Contra those optimistic beliefs, the consistent reality has been an attritional stalemate which I called quite early and mostly expect to continue. In fact, I recall a conversation on X with you making that point just before the Ukrainian summer offensive. Incidentally, do you consider the decision to launch it to have been retrospectively correct, in light of its failure to achieve any meaningful results?
     
    If Ukraine had had devastating losses it would have been a mistake. Instead, it was worth trying. The situation has been clarified. Maybe such clarification sped up or unlocked the provision of ATACMS.

    There’s also the related issue that while continuing the war is what Ukrainians answer in polls as it’s the socially expected answer
     
    It's also what I hear when I talk to them. Obviously nobody is happy about the war, but they express determination to liberate their occupied lands. No one has been saying, "I wish they would make a deal and end it."

    the volunteers are mostly all in the army, wounded, or dead, and many Ukrainians given the opportunity seek to avoid the army like this hero
     
    People who show up to the military offices, have some experience, and are invited in? Probably.

    But there are also lots of people who have not volunteered but who are willing to do their duty if they are called up and are living their lives in Ukraine waiting for the summons that may or may not come. There are a lot of people like that - who are in Ukraine, who will join if served with papers, but who have not been. There are plenty of men walking around in cities, going to work, cafes, etc. Men generally aren't hiding in basements. One of my cousin's husband cut short a ski trip to the Alps to come back to Ukraine in case he was needed. He could have stayed in the West, he has a great resume and experience for that. He had no military experience, they didn't need him. He's working in Lviv, if an attempt had been to invade south from Belarus through Western Ukraine, he probably would have been called up. He would have stayed abroad, if he simply didn't want to go to the army.

    Meanwhile at least according to rumors the Ukrainian elites and the US would prefer a ceasefire.
     
    I heard the same in Russia. I have no connection with Kiev elites so I have no idea.

    We've discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar

    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

    This seems like a common-sense solution, to the extent that there is one, but how do you see Putin accepting this? Surely he will not accept Ukraine into NATO or retreat from Southern Ukraine if he is not defeated militarily first? He needs something to show for victory, perhaps he would accept all of the Ukrainian territory he controls in exchange for peace, but that is a lot for the Ukrainians to give up, especially without NATO in exchange for it. Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO, but how would Putin be convinced to accept Ukraine into NATO? NATO and Donbas were the two public justifications for the war in Russia. It seems like a difficult situation for Ukrainians, because no matter how tragic this war has been for them, they are just going to have to carry on. If Ukraine does not have protection after the war, the country will have little foreign investment, and suffer from even more emigration, due to young Ukrainians coming to the conclusion that they are better off in NATO Europe, where there is prosperity and security and they are desirable migrants.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Cesar


    Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO
     
    The people will not accept this and the government that even considers such an option will become very unpopular (and it is against Ukraine's laws).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @AP
    @Cesar


    This seems like a common-sense solution, to the extent that there is one, but how do you see Putin accepting this?
     
    Well, I’ve heard rumours (as have others) that Putin and his inner circle really want a negotiated end to the war in terms that could be sold as victory by both sides. I have no idea about specifics but the scenario I described would fit - he could sell it as saying that “we forced the world including Ukraine to accept Crimea and Donbas as Russian territory.” End of sanctions and resultant economic mini-boom would sweeten the deal.

    Neither Russia nor Ukraine (particularly) are ready for this now. Sadly, it will take more time in territorial stalemate and more deaths before that occurs. But it may happen in 2024 or early 2025.

    Surely he will not accept Ukraine into NATO or retreat from Southern Ukraine if he is not defeated militarily first
     
    Putting an end to the massive drain on human and military resources (the ships and many tanks Ukraine is destroying will take a long time to replace) would be some motivation to give up land that is currently controlled but populated by a hostile population.

    If Ukraine does not have protection after the war, the country will have little foreign investment
     
    Yes, if not NATO there would have to be some other credible security arrangement like a US base or scary native deterrent that would convince people that Russia will not try another invasion anytime soon.

    Replies: @Cesar1191

  222. @A123
    @John Johnson


    There are a dozen possible scenarios.
    ...
    Here is another one:

    Putin dies in office
     
    Hmmm... You have an ultra low probability scenario involving Putin "suddenly dying".

    And, you postulate another ultra low probability scenario to save the DNC involving the Veggie-in-Chief "suddenly dying".

    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hmmm… You have an ultra low probability scenario involving Putin “suddenly dying”.

    How would that be ultra low probability?

    He is 70 and undoubtedly has health problems.

    There are multiple videos where he is trying to keep his hand or foot from shaking.

    There have also been pictures of him with IV scars.

    His use of body doubles has increased. The Kremlin has spoken of at least two assassination attempts since the war started.

    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    Wouldn’t that mean Putin has the most damaged soul in the world?

    And no that doesn’t make any sense. Putin dying would most likely save lives. Did people in WW2 damage their souls by wanting Stalin or Hitler dead?

    And, you postulate another ultra low probability scenario to save the DNC involving the Veggie-in-Chief “suddenly dying”.

    Biden is 81 and has one of the most stressful jobs in the country. Why would a scenario of him dying within a year be ultra low probability? I wouldn’t put it past a 1:15 dice roll which makes it a scenario worth considering. A more likely scenario would be Biden choosing to “spend time with family” after the DNC talks to his wife. I would put that under 1:5. His wife is the one that talked him into running. His numbers are terrible which is making everyone nervous. Then there is the problem of Harris which is still unresolved.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson


    Do you understand that actively wishing for people to die is damaging to the soul?

    Wouldn’t that mean Putin has the most damaged soul in the world?
     

    kreminstoogeA123 is incapable of understanding this sort of logic. He is under some strange delusion that Putler is a Christian saint that is worshiped by American evangelicals and that he is waging a righteous war to protect Christianity from the throes of an atheistic Ukrainian onslaught. These strange and bizarre beliefs can only be understood if you realize that the poor boy is suffering from years of glue sniffing syndrome.

    Even as a teenager kremlinstoogeA123 had a strange infatuation with his man Putler, and was actually the president of the local branch of the Putler fan-club:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DP85N0/oct-07-2006-moscow-russia-members-of-the-vladimir-putin-fan-club-mark-DP85N0.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    The nominee of the Liberal Hegemonist Party in the US matters not a bit.

  223. @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I expect serious cognitive dissonance for many people when Russia eventually reaches a military resolution in Ukraine which Kremlin powers-that-be can live with. In my view this turning point will be about Russia gaining some measure of control over the West versus Russia project and not really about Russia versus Ukraine (disease versus symptom).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I expect serious cognitive dissonance for many people when Russia eventually reaches a military resolution in Ukraine which Kremlin powers-that-be can live with. In my view this turning point will be about Russia gaining some measure of control over the West versus Russia project

    Kremlin powers that be……is Putin. It’s an autocracy.

    Putin has signaled that he is willing to walk with the current lines.

    How would this be Russia gaining some measure of control? Donbas was already under Russian control.

    Accepting the current lines would be a failure for Russia. It means NATO expanded through Finland and Russia gets land they already had influence over. The only exception would be Zaporizhzhia which was never a separatist area. What does that look like? They move in more Russians to suppress and control the locals? Partisan violence or just kick out all the ethnic Ukrainians to improve the Russian image even further?

    Yea this all really sounds worth over 300k casualties and record inflation.

    This war is nothing but a disaster. The only way Russia could come out on top was to take it all. That isn’t happening and Putin wants to walk with his chunk. Well Ukraine isn’t ready to let him have it. There are numerous reports of the cluster bombs inflicting serious damage and we could still see German Taurus missiles added to the mix. Most of the F16s and M1s haven’t arrived. Maybe Putin should pick up an AK-47 and head to the trenches if he believes so much in this war.

    • LOL: Mikhail, A123
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    A lot of the information about this war is propaganda. Believing that one knows what is going on is hubris. The entire resume of the acting Ukrainian president is that he played the president in a TV show. For every disgusting video of Ruskies getting blown up there is a disgusting video of Ukies getting blown up.

    Any negotiations will be centered on the big picture issue of Western pressure on Russia. People may want to recognize that the public dialog on negotiations may say little or nothing about this aspect and instead will focus on topics which are strategically trivial. You will have to read between the lines to understand the results.

    So what does a partial Russian victory look like?

    Russia keeps Crimea and Eastern provinces. No Ukraine in NATO ever, no NATO in Ukraine ever. Missile sites removed from Poland and Romania and not replaced. Some small steps made by the USA to rebuild nuclear arms control treaties. Western repayment of stolen funds and some subtle public acknowledgement that the West is responsible and liable for Nordstream. These things might be enough for Russia to end the SMO, but only if the West can be at least partially trusted. This doesn't seem to be the case.

    I don't think these kind of negotiations can happen until the future powers-that-be in Ukraine (not the current sellouts to the West) decide that coexisting with Russia as a weaker state is better than being used as a pointless battering ram. As long as Western-aligned factions stay in power this is pretty unlikely, so Russia will probably continue grinding away for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  224. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, why exactly wouldn’t similar karma apply to Latvia, for those who actually believe in this?
     
    A bunch of Latvians fought against the Commies as well, including in Ukraine and Russia. And we kicked them out in 1920.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, and that was pretty based of you. Too bad that the Red Latvian Riflemen had such an extremely toxic and negative impact upon Russia itself, though. Afterwards the Communist cancer spread to Ukraine, Central Asia, the Baltics, Eastern Europe, et cetera. 🙁

    I’m surprised that the Communists/Bolsheviks failed to seize power in Latvia after WWI given that the Latvian people supported them in 1917. Did the Red Terror in Russia cause a lot of Latvians to have second thoughts about them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    I know that Emma Goldman (not a Latvian) became disenfranchised with the Bolsheviks after they crushed the Kronstadt rebellion in 1921.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I’m surprised that the Communists/Bolsheviks failed to seize power in Latvia after WWI given that the Latvian people supported them in 1917. Did the Red Terror in Russia cause a lot of Latvians to have second thoughts about them?
     
    They did seize power for a little while in 1919. The Riflemen together with units of the Red Army from Russia took over. Latvians were not fond of Germans back then, but I think the most damaging were the changes that the Bolshevik imposed on the agrarian policy. There was a shortage of food. Posting a little article about it for you (under MORE). There was both Red and White terror, I think Red was worse. Some children became orphans. There were also Latvian orphans in Russia because many fled to Russia in the beginning of WW1.

    I know that Emma Goldman (not a Latvian) became disenfranchised with the Bolsheviks after they crushed the Kronstadt rebellion in 1921.
     
    She was a Litvak (from Kaunas). And she was a kind of an anarchist, so her disappointment is understandable. Btw, the woman who tried to assassinate Lenin, Fanny Kaplan, was also Jewish. Some of these brave and often smart Jewesses are quite impressive. Fanny was executed and apparently because of this assassination attempt, the Red terror was initiated to suppress dissent. Even though in the beginning the Bolsheviks had abolished the death penalty (and, of course, had promised all kinds of other things).

    "After the capture of Riga, by the end of January [1919] almost the entire territory of Latvia, with the exception of the vicinity of Liepāja, fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks. In the months that followed, the Bolshevik carried out a series of radical reforms that turned most of the population against them. The most important of them were: liquidation of private property; high progressive taxes; agrarian reform, which led to the confiscation of land from peasants and the establishment of Soviet farms; food monopoly; the creation of a secret police (the Bolsheviks created the equivalent of the Russian "CheKa" - political departments and political subdivisions); creation of concentration camps, etc.

    One of the biggest failures of the Bolsheviks was the inability to provide the population with food. Latvia had been emptied by German troops, but food supplies from Russia and Ukraine managed to start only shortly before the collapse of the Bolshevik regime. Anti-farmer policies and trade restrictions led to farmers hiding food from the authorities. As a result, food was scarce not only in the cities, but even in the army. To distribute the limited food supplies, the urban population was divided into three categories. The first category included communists, employees of Soviet institutions, militiamen, and manual laborers. In the second - those doing easier jobs and intelligentsia loyal to the regime. In the third - everyone else, including old people. The population of the latter category received such a meager ration of food that they were doomed to starve to death. In May 1919, even a whole family died of starvation in Riga.

    Another aspect of the Bolshevik policy, which caused widespread dissatisfaction in society, was the cruel "Red Terror", or mass repressions against whole groups of society (especially against the so-called "bourgeoisie"). In every district of Latvia, the Bolshevik established revolutionary tribunals; several concentration camps were created; persons undesirable to the regime were hunted down by the secret police. In the spring of 1919, mass executions began in Latvia. Thousands of people were taken as hostages and put in prisons where filth reigned and epidemic diseases (influenza, typhus, etc.) raged. For many starving prisoners, such conditions proved fatal.

    In total, approximately three thousand people were killed in Soviet Latvia during the five-month rule of the Bolshevik. Most of them were Baltic Germans, among them several dozen pastors."

    (c) Blizzard of Souls website.

  225. @Cesar
    @AP


    We’ve discussed this before and seem to have the same idea for a fair end to the tragedy: back to 2022 borders, referendum in Donbas/Crimea that Russia would surely win, territorial changes recognized by Ukraine and everyone else, frozen Russian assets used to rebuild Ukraine, end of sanctions and normalized relationships, no hindrance on Ukrainian internal policies nor EU integration (and perhaps NATO, or at least some security treaty with teeth, such as a US base).

     

    This seems like a common-sense solution, to the extent that there is one, but how do you see Putin accepting this? Surely he will not accept Ukraine into NATO or retreat from Southern Ukraine if he is not defeated militarily first? He needs something to show for victory, perhaps he would accept all of the Ukrainian territory he controls in exchange for peace, but that is a lot for the Ukrainians to give up, especially without NATO in exchange for it. Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO, but how would Putin be convinced to accept Ukraine into NATO? NATO and Donbas were the two public justifications for the war in Russia. It seems like a difficult situation for Ukrainians, because no matter how tragic this war has been for them, they are just going to have to carry on. If Ukraine does not have protection after the war, the country will have little foreign investment, and suffer from even more emigration, due to young Ukrainians coming to the conclusion that they are better off in NATO Europe, where there is prosperity and security and they are desirable migrants.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO

    The people will not accept this and the government that even considers such an option will become very unpopular (and it is against Ukraine’s laws).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    The only hope would be referendums in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Ukrainian NATO membership and a Russian withdrawal from everywhere else, or perhaps referendums there as well which, unlike Crimea and Donbass, Ukraine is virtually guaranteed to win if they are at all free and fair (as they absolutely must be). But I doubt that Russia would agree to free and fair referendums in all of the disputed territories after it had already annexed all of them.

  226. • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    That might be because Argentina's GDP per capita has already reached close to its full potential (at least relative to the available technology) even 100+ years ago. Argentina doesn't have the same human capital levels as the West has, after all.

  227. @LatW
    @Cesar


    Perhaps the Ukrainian government can be convinced to give up its territory for NATO
     
    The people will not accept this and the government that even considers such an option will become very unpopular (and it is against Ukraine's laws).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The only hope would be referendums in Crimea and Donbass in exchange for Ukrainian NATO membership and a Russian withdrawal from everywhere else, or perhaps referendums there as well which, unlike Crimea and Donbass, Ukraine is virtually guaranteed to win if they are at all free and fair (as they absolutely must be). But I doubt that Russia would agree to free and fair referendums in all of the disputed territories after it had already annexed all of them.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  228. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDfPTmWjOhTNPU0ii10xDkWwmnka9qps-01w&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR4pQ5eo_tsBluONosvDO9RLT9r3M-o8DOPaA&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    That might be because Argentina’s GDP per capita has already reached close to its full potential (at least relative to the available technology) even 100+ years ago. Argentina doesn’t have the same human capital levels as the West has, after all.

  229. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yes, and that was pretty based of you. Too bad that the Red Latvian Riflemen had such an extremely toxic and negative impact upon Russia itself, though. Afterwards the Communist cancer spread to Ukraine, Central Asia, the Baltics, Eastern Europe, et cetera. :(

    I'm surprised that the Communists/Bolsheviks failed to seize power in Latvia after WWI given that the Latvian people supported them in 1917. Did the Red Terror in Russia cause a lot of Latvians to have second thoughts about them?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

    I know that Emma Goldman (not a Latvian) became disenfranchised with the Bolsheviks after they crushed the Kronstadt rebellion in 1921.

    Replies: @LatW

    I’m surprised that the Communists/Bolsheviks failed to seize power in Latvia after WWI given that the Latvian people supported them in 1917. Did the Red Terror in Russia cause a lot of Latvians to have second thoughts about them?

    They did seize power for a little while in 1919. The Riflemen together with units of the Red Army from Russia took over. Latvians were not fond of Germans back then, but I think the most damaging were the changes that the Bolshevik imposed on the agrarian policy. There was a shortage of food. Posting a little article about it for you (under MORE). There was both Red and White terror, I think Red was worse. Some children became orphans. There were also Latvian orphans in Russia because many fled to Russia in the beginning of WW1.

    I know that Emma Goldman (not a Latvian) became disenfranchised with the Bolsheviks after they crushed the Kronstadt rebellion in 1921.

    She was a Litvak (from Kaunas). And she was a kind of an anarchist, so her disappointment is understandable. Btw, the woman who tried to assassinate Lenin, Fanny Kaplan, was also Jewish. Some of these brave and often smart Jewesses are quite impressive. Fanny was executed and apparently because of this assassination attempt, the Red terror was initiated to suppress dissent. Even though in the beginning the Bolsheviks had abolished the death penalty (and, of course, had promised all kinds of other things).

    [MORE]

    “After the capture of Riga, by the end of January [1919] almost the entire territory of Latvia, with the exception of the vicinity of Liepāja, fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks. In the months that followed, the Bolshevik carried out a series of radical reforms that turned most of the population against them. The most important of them were: liquidation of private property; high progressive taxes; agrarian reform, which led to the confiscation of land from peasants and the establishment of Soviet farms; food monopoly; the creation of a secret police (the Bolsheviks created the equivalent of the Russian “CheKa” – political departments and political subdivisions); creation of concentration camps, etc.

    One of the biggest failures of the Bolsheviks was the inability to provide the population with food. Latvia had been emptied by German troops, but food supplies from Russia and Ukraine managed to start only shortly before the collapse of the Bolshevik regime. Anti-farmer policies and trade restrictions led to farmers hiding food from the authorities. As a result, food was scarce not only in the cities, but even in the army. To distribute the limited food supplies, the urban population was divided into three categories. The first category included communists, employees of Soviet institutions, militiamen, and manual laborers. In the second – those doing easier jobs and intelligentsia loyal to the regime. In the third – everyone else, including old people. The population of the latter category received such a meager ration of food that they were doomed to starve to death. In May 1919, even a whole family died of starvation in Riga.

    Another aspect of the Bolshevik policy, which caused widespread dissatisfaction in society, was the cruel “Red Terror”, or mass repressions against whole groups of society (especially against the so-called “bourgeoisie”). In every district of Latvia, the Bolshevik established revolutionary tribunals; several concentration camps were created; persons undesirable to the regime were hunted down by the secret police. In the spring of 1919, mass executions began in Latvia. Thousands of people were taken as hostages and put in prisons where filth reigned and epidemic diseases (influenza, typhus, etc.) raged. For many starving prisoners, such conditions proved fatal.

    In total, approximately three thousand people were killed in Soviet Latvia during the five-month rule of the Bolshevik. Most of them were Baltic Germans, among them several dozen pastors.”

    (c) Blizzard of Souls website.

  230. @songbird
    Any motorheads here? (Probably not the right forum, but sometimes lay opinions/experience are better.

    Let me ask a question: suppose I want to store a lead vehicle battery that is in a very cold environment over winter but I am pretty lazy.

    Is it enough to disconnect the battery and put it inside the interior of the vehicle? (Where I imagine it would be a bit drier?)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @S

    As has been said, if you want to preserve the battery it’s a good idea to start your car every few weeks and let it run a good ten minutes. This is not only good for the battery (recharging) but good for the car as a whole. [The longer a car sits without the engine having been turned over, the more problems they seem to collect, even just ‘sitting’. They are sort of like people in that sense.]

    Or, you can disconnect the battery as you described, but as the cold is hard on them (ie losing their charge) there’s a real chance after a few months the battery won’t be able to hold a charge at all, in spite of attempts to recharge it, and you’ll have to buy a new one.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S


    it’s a good idea to start your car every few weeks and let it run a good ten minutes
     
    .
    Sound advice - for one thing it is not fun to replace a fuel pump. And it is good to get the oil coating the engine. But I regret to say, too inconvenient in my particular case.

    BTW, I was jacking said vehicle and quite alarmed by the amount of rust underneath. It's old, and probably to be expected, but I really hate to see stuff like that. Would it be so difficult to make it stainless steel or use some alloy, for the average car? I would like to see some dirt-cheap reliable and well-designed (to be fixable) car as a nationalist project, but it seems very unlikely to happen. In fact we seem to be going in the opposite direction.

    Replies: @S

  231. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    So, he was roughly similar to myself in my teens. Except I didn’t care enough about the small island countries to memorize their data.
     
    That's cool, I'm sure you were smart and talented already at that age. But this boy was only 5! We were naming random countries and he could tell what the population was in each country. He was also very well built.

    Btw, if you're interested, just as an FYI - the quality of water is slightly better in Estonia than in Russia (and air quality is definitely much better - it's even better in Estonia than in Denmark). Quality of water is measured by the so called DALY score (disability-adjusted life year) - in Estonia it is 61.9, in Russia and Ukraine - 55. 59 and 58 in Lat and Lith accordingly. Not a big difference but may have an effect over long term.

    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). :(

    Human Development Index is 0.89 in Estonia, 0.82 in Russia. Again, not a big difference, but it might have a slight effect on the quality of life. Estonia almost fits into top 30 countries by HDI, Russia almost into top 50.

    Replies: @S

    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). 🙂

    It’s scarier than that, even.

    Can’t recall if it was in Nigeria, or Ghana, but the treatment of human waste was so poor there that the top soil had become permeated with measurable levels of fecal dust. In turn, due to high winds stirring this said dust up, the very air itself that people were regularly breathing in was said to have been ‘fecalized’. 🙁

    • Replies: @LatW
    @S

    Oh my God, I had no idea something like that was even possible. :(

    Replies: @S

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    In the summer months the French Quarter of New Orleans smells like a sewer.

    I cannot and do not want to imagine what Logos Nigeria smells like.

    Replies: @songbird

  232. @S
    @LatW


    In Niger it is only 1.5 (good lord, kind of scary). :-)
     
    It's scarier than that, even.

    Can't recall if it was in Nigeria, or Ghana, but the treatment of human waste was so poor there that the top soil had become permeated with measurable levels of fecal dust. In turn, due to high winds stirring this said dust up, the very air itself that people were regularly breathing in was said to have been 'fecalized'. :-(

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Oh my God, I had no idea something like that was even possible. 🙁

    • Replies: @S
    @LatW


    Oh my God, I had no idea something like that was even possible. 🙁
     
    It was a lady aid worker who wrote about it. It was that, and routine (and needless) theft by locals that caused her to rethink her former ideas about everyone being 'just the same'.

    She came to develop a more healthy and realistic outlook about peoples of the world, in that while there are indeed quite real similarities between them, that there are also quite real and significant differences, and that the whole should be taken into account.
  233. Sher Singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Is it my fault that you're unable to write anything cogent that helps explain the seeming differences found within your religious movement? Did you watch any of the clips within Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere's comment #146? A Sikh soup kitchen designed to help feed those less fortunate. Now look at the Rambo/rocket launcher type clips tht you regularly show us within your comments. If you have nothing more to say on the topic, I'm about to cut it off and you can return to doing your bench presses.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Degh_Tegh

    Stop trying to distort Sikhi into some pseudo christian cult where peace is good & violence bad.

    You’re a christcuck.

    I don’t want to share my religion with you because I don’t think you’re worthy of joining it. Now cut it out you weird pedo..

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  234. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Funny thing though, Sher Singh is nowhere in sight to be seen? I thought for sure that Mr. Rambo Sher Singh would be in his homeland fighting for liberation? Instead, it looks like he's fallen prey to the health club/jacuzzi lifestyle so prevalent in NA. If you have any other theories, I'm all ears...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  235. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    I half-believe that Mr. Hack has already absconded to fight for Khalistan independence, and he is only goading Sher Singh into the same by taunting him about how Sikhs in NA seem so peaceful.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    Th