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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

For those interested, here’s my recent article on the current Israel/Gaza conflict and the historical reality of anti-Semitism:

And here’s my previous article on the role of the Balfour Declaration in World War I:

Finally, here’s an outstanding pro-Hamas propaganda-video I came across, factually accurate as far as I can tell:

 
• Category: Foreign Policy, History • Tags: Gaza, Israel/Palestine, Russia, Ukraine 
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  1. • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    I always enjoy reading an Alexander Motyl (who is Jewish, BTW) article, so thank you very much!

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikel
    @Mikhail

    Motyl is probably right. Ukraine could convincingly defeat Russia if the West was totally committed to provide all the assistance it needs to achieve that goal. But the original commitment seems to be weakening, especially in the US. Besides, the Russians must have learned some lessons and are still able to exert local dominance to get limited advances, like they did in Soledar, Bakhmut and will probably end up doing in Avdiivka too. Under the current conditions, a stalemate looks more likely.

    Motyl also provides in that article what appear to be reliable reports by the UN agencies of systematic torture by the Russians in the occupied territories. Just like in 2014-2015, Western and Ukrainian sources have proven much less reliable than Russian independent accounts and have been producing lots of BS, like the Russians shelling themselves in the nuclear plant, so I've been treating their reports of Russian massacres with a lot of doubt. However, OHCHR reports deserve attention. They were the ones who carefully documented the civilian death count in Donbas when no one else was interested.

    I don't think that torture in detention is worse than bombing civilian apartment buildings. Seeing your loved ones getting killed or maimed at home by a bomb is a pretty horrible form of torture in itself but it does show the brutal character of the Russian invasion.

    I don't know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that's what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mikhail, @Derer

  2. It’s easy to imagine alternative timelines in which the tumult of the 20th Century put Henry Kissinger in the leadership of the Soviet Union or Israel. All in all, and there’s a lot of “all” there, I’m glad he wound up on our side.

    Steve Sailer has always been open about the fact he’s adopted.

    He’s also speculated about being half Jewish. Has he ever talked about the results of his 23andMe analysis?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Where exactly did Steve Sailer speculate that he's half-Jewish?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    Henry Kissinger promoted escalating an unwinnable and pointless war to benefit his own career. Millions dead.

    It's crass to say but it's true. Maybe not ever more true.

    IT'S TOO BAD THE NAZIS MISSED THIS ONE.

    This book is a good read:

    https://www.amazon.com/PRICE-POWER-Seymour-Hersh/dp/0671506889

    , @songbird
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    I should like to know more about the ancestry of Geert Wilders. Specifically, whether he has any Dutch-Indo ancestry or whether he is actually Jewish-Indo on that side.

  3. I’ve got a question for Richard Hanania, who apparently does not believe that it should be a crime for adult women to grope and have sex with male minors who are below the legal age of consent to sex: Should this also apply to adult *trans* women groping and fucking underage male minors? Would it depend on just how passable they are? On whether or not they still have a schlong? On whether they were the active or the passive partner during sex? Et cetera.

    Anatoly, if you’re reading this, please pass on my question to Richard Hanania. It’s in response to this old post of his:

    https://www.richardhanania.com/p/hitler-demi-moore-and-other-pedophiles

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ

    Good luck establishing a dialogue with Hanania on your favorite topic through this blog lol.

    You don't need Hanania to answer that question though because you have me here and I can perfectly answer for him. Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it. By contrast, sex between trans creatures and anyone other than themselves or consenting adult weirdos is objectively and biologically wrong. Hope this clarifies the issue for you.

    Also, your confession that you sit down to pee was not much of a revelation. I guess we all knew that already. But I don't think you've told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,... anything you feel we should learn about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

  4. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    It’s easy to imagine alternative timelines in which the tumult of the 20th Century put Henry Kissinger in the leadership of the Soviet Union or Israel. All in all, and there’s a lot of “all” there, I’m glad he wound up on our side.
     
    Steve Sailer has always been open about the fact he's adopted.

    He's also speculated about being half Jewish. Has he ever talked about the results of his 23andMe analysis?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Where exactly did Steve Sailer speculate that he’s half-Jewish?

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Mr. XYZ

    Steve Sailer made his "revelation" in a message in a private e-mail group he had created about Human Biodiversity. One of the members of that group who opposed some of Sailer's views exposed some of the contents of Sailer's message in a *public* yahoo group he had created about Evolutionary Psychology. Then, Razib Khan made some comments about Sailer's ideas on his blog, with (I think) a link to that yahoo group message which discussed them.
    If there's any mistake on the above, anyone feel free to correct it.

  5. @Mikhail
    Uber super svido BS:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/stasis-not-stalemate-ukraine-war-207592

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    I always enjoy reading an Alexander Motyl (who is Jewish, BTW) article, so thank you very much!

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ

    So what if he's Jewish. Seeing how you raised that missive, is he Jewish? Was he circumcised and/or had a bar mitzvah?

    Much more accurate assessment from people with a military background:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPhppzvS5fI

    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/bild-article-is-usnato-narrative?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Also:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZyBNsfBy3Q

    In the final overview, more accurate than Petraeus and Hodges, among other establishment military talking heads.

    Regarding Motyl and false equivalency whataboutism:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/01042010-addressing-some-views-about-bandera-ukraine-and-russia-analysis/

    Also, this one which has extended discussion on Motyl:

    https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/apres-moi-la-desintegration-alexander-motyl-does-putins-new-russia/

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Alexander Motyl is Jewish? First time that I've heard that one, but then again Galicians are often thought of as the Jews of the Ukrainian world. His old blog at World Affairs is where I first came into contact with AP. Do you know where Motyl may be blogging today, if anywhere? He was always a fixture at the Ukrainian Art Museum in New York city, even wrote a novel about Andy Warhol.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  6. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    I always enjoy reading an Alexander Motyl (who is Jewish, BTW) article, so thank you very much!

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    So what if he’s Jewish. Seeing how you raised that missive, is he Jewish? Was he circumcised and/or had a bar mitzvah?

    Much more accurate assessment from people with a military background:

    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/bild-article-is-usnato-narrative?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Also:

    In the final overview, more accurate than Petraeus and Hodges, among other establishment military talking heads.

    Regarding Motyl and false equivalency whataboutism:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/01042010-addressing-some-views-about-bandera-ukraine-and-russia-analysis/

    Also, this one which has extended discussion on Motyl:

    https://marknesop.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/apres-moi-la-desintegration-alexander-motyl-does-putins-new-russia/

  7. In the below discussion Nick Petro (a more objective academic than Motyl) notes how central Ukraine has become more influenced by the mindset that has been predominate in Galicia. Gil Doctorow offers a scenario of a rump Ukraine becoming part of NATO with Odessa, Kharkov and Transnistria reuniting with Russia, along with some other former Ukrainian SSR areas. I’m not so sure of that.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/588138-ukraine-russia-possible-peace/

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Petro is the clown who was insisting in 2016 that Ukraine’s economy would go nowhere unless it would drop EU integration in favor of Russia:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/ukraine-needs-russia-nicolai-petro

    (from that year Ukraine’s economy rebounded without Russia)

    Doctorow must be another idiot, if Mikhail approves.

    People with not much more credibility than Scott Ritter.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Derer

  8. Another Ukrainian view:

    https://www.versobooks.com/products/3216-towards-the-abyss?_pos=6&_sid=d1e56fe71&_ss=r

    I recall Volodymyr Ishchenko making some (stress some) reasonably agreeable views. Some issue with this:

    Ishchenko’s parents worked as Soviet scientists and engineers in Kiev on cybernetics and cosmonautics. No outside power has offered Ukraine a future that compares to this lost world of Soviet modernity. He argues that the conflict being fought in Ukraine with tanks, artillery and rockets is the same conflict that police batons have suppressed in Belarus and Russia itself. The intensification of the post-Soviet crisis – the incapacity of an oligarchic ruling class in the territories of the former USSR to develop sustained political, moral and intellectual leadership – is the root cause for the escalating violence.

  9. Demography is destiny. Whoever has more children, will win. Contraceptives were found in Osama bin Laden’s secret compound. Iran’s Supreme Leader, the Ayatola Kameini, has expressed profound regret at having allowed Iranians to practice birth limitation. Whereas, the Ultra Orthodox of Israel have the world’s highest birthrate.

    • Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    @CharlesOconnell


    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1729641905158250759

  10. @CharlesOconnell
    Demography is destiny. Whoever has more children, will win. Contraceptives were found in Osama bin Laden's secret compound. Iran's Supreme Leader, the Ayatola Kameini, has expressed profound regret at having allowed Iranians to practice birth limitation. Whereas, the Ultra Orthodox of Israel have the world's highest birthrate.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    [MORE]

  11. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    I always enjoy reading an Alexander Motyl (who is Jewish, BTW) article, so thank you very much!

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Alexander Motyl is Jewish? First time that I’ve heard that one, but then again Galicians are often thought of as the Jews of the Ukrainian world. His old blog at World Affairs is where I first came into contact with AP. Do you know where Motyl may be blogging today, if anywhere? He was always a fixture at the Ukrainian Art Museum in New York city, even wrote a novel about Andy Warhol.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack


    https://twitter.com/Yatt47/status/1730228791308320844#m

  12. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Alexander Motyl is Jewish? First time that I've heard that one, but then again Galicians are often thought of as the Jews of the Ukrainian world. His old blog at World Affairs is where I first came into contact with AP. Do you know where Motyl may be blogging today, if anywhere? He was always a fixture at the Ukrainian Art Museum in New York city, even wrote a novel about Andy Warhol.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  13. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    It’s easy to imagine alternative timelines in which the tumult of the 20th Century put Henry Kissinger in the leadership of the Soviet Union or Israel. All in all, and there’s a lot of “all” there, I’m glad he wound up on our side.
     
    Steve Sailer has always been open about the fact he's adopted.

    He's also speculated about being half Jewish. Has he ever talked about the results of his 23andMe analysis?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Henry Kissinger promoted escalating an unwinnable and pointless war to benefit his own career. Millions dead.

    It’s crass to say but it’s true. Maybe not ever more true.

    IT’S TOO BAD THE NAZIS MISSED THIS ONE.

    This book is a good read:

  14. This is one of the funniest twitter posts of all time for as long as it stays up.

    [MORE]


    In case it gets deleted:

    ADL
    @ADL
    Henry Kissinger was a towering intellect, diplomat and practitioner who – not without controversy – helped shape American foreign policy with a lasting impact worldwide. A refugee from Nazi Germany, and the first Jewish Secretary of State, he was unapologetic about his heritage and his embrace of the importance of American global power and democratic values.

    Readers added context they thought people might want to know:
    During a meeting of the Washington Special Actions Group, Kissinger said, “If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be antisemitic. Any people who has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.”

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/

    Excerpt -


    Nixon was not subtle about who he meant by the Eastern Establishment. When the media seized upon the U.S. massacre at My Lai, Nixon remarked, “It’s those dirty rotten Jews from New York who are behind it.” Nixon’s White House counsel, John Erlichman, recalled Nixon talking about “Jewish traitors” in front of Kissinger, including “Jews at Harvard.” Kissinger would assure the boss he was one of the good ones. “Well, Mr. President,” Erlichman quoted him responding, “there are Jews and Jews.”

    Kissinger maintained his standing in part by savaging the Eastern Establishment from which he emerged.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  15. Empire in Decline – Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen

  16. @Mikhail
    In the below discussion Nick Petro (a more objective academic than Motyl) notes how central Ukraine has become more influenced by the mindset that has been predominate in Galicia. Gil Doctorow offers a scenario of a rump Ukraine becoming part of NATO with Odessa, Kharkov and Transnistria reuniting with Russia, along with some other former Ukrainian SSR areas. I'm not so sure of that.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/588138-ukraine-russia-possible-peace/

    Replies: @AP

    Petro is the clown who was insisting in 2016 that Ukraine’s economy would go nowhere unless it would drop EU integration in favor of Russia:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/ukraine-needs-russia-nicolai-petro

    (from that year Ukraine’s economy rebounded without Russia)

    Doctorow must be another idiot, if Mikhail approves.

    People with not much more credibility than Scott Ritter.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    In line with your MO, but put accurately, Petro has far more academic experience, credentials and intellect than you've exhibited. Richard Sakwa is another. You make an idiotic point regarding Ukraine's economy in 2016.

    The discussion I posted with Wilkerson is quite informative and not really too different from Ritter. He had first hand experience with several US presidents.

    Motyl is in the delusional svido ranks of yourself.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP

    "Petro is clown"

    "Doctorow must be another idiot"

    "not much more credibility than Scott Ritter."

    "Ukraine's economy rebounded" (better than Zimbabwe)

    All this from the mouth of an "expert" AP, only indicates that Ukraine collapse is near.

    Replies: @AP

  17. Trump got tricked into bragging about getting endorsed by BLM:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    Trump got tricked into bragging about getting endorsed by BLM:
     
    That is an exceedingly poor way to frame the situation.

    Mark Fisher is a former BLM leader of a small branch. Thus, he cannot offer official BLM action. Notice that Trump never used the word "endorse". You (and many others in the media) inserted it to maximize hyperbolic exaggeration, a typical technique of #NeverTrump zealots.

    Step back for a fact based review. It is quite clear that:

    • Trump did NOT receive a BLM endorsement.
    • At most, it is an endorsement by a *former* BLM of Rhode Island official.
    • Trump issued a poorly crafted post.

    Imprecise verbiage left the door open for today's flash story. His message would have been better if he had stuck with the outreach points without mentioning BLM by name.

    Carving support away from Not-The-President Biden is a valid strategic concept. This single post is indeed a minor tactical miss. It is being over dramatized because Leftoids have nothing substantial. Compared to the Veggie-in-Chief's gaffes, it will only stick around for a short time.

    #ISitWithDavros 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  18. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Petro is the clown who was insisting in 2016 that Ukraine’s economy would go nowhere unless it would drop EU integration in favor of Russia:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/09/ukraine-needs-russia-nicolai-petro

    (from that year Ukraine’s economy rebounded without Russia)

    Doctorow must be another idiot, if Mikhail approves.

    People with not much more credibility than Scott Ritter.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Derer

    In line with your MO, but put accurately, Petro has far more academic experience, credentials and intellect than you’ve exhibited. Richard Sakwa is another. You make an idiotic point regarding Ukraine’s economy in 2016.

    The discussion I posted with Wilkerson is quite informative and not really too different from Ritter. He had first hand experience with several US presidents.

    Motyl is in the delusional svido ranks of yourself.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    The discussion I posted with Wilkerson is quite informative and not really too different from Ritter
     
    So it can be dismissed as idiocy. Thanks for the warning.
  19. @Emil Nikola Richard
    This is one of the funniest twitter posts of all time for as long as it stays up.

    https://twitter.com/ADL/status/1730058435654287842
    In case it gets deleted:


    ADL
    @ADL
    Henry Kissinger was a towering intellect, diplomat and practitioner who - not without controversy - helped shape American foreign policy with a lasting impact worldwide. A refugee from Nazi Germany, and the first Jewish Secretary of State, he was unapologetic about his heritage and his embrace of the importance of American global power and democratic values.

    Readers added context they thought people might want to know:
    During a meeting of the Washington Special Actions Group, Kissinger said, “If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be antisemitic. Any people who has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong."

    Replies: @Mikhail

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/

    Excerpt –

    Nixon was not subtle about who he meant by the Eastern Establishment. When the media seized upon the U.S. massacre at My Lai, Nixon remarked, “It’s those dirty rotten Jews from New York who are behind it.” Nixon’s White House counsel, John Erlichman, recalled Nixon talking about “Jewish traitors” in front of Kissinger, including “Jews at Harvard.” Kissinger would assure the boss he was one of the good ones. “Well, Mr. President,” Erlichman quoted him responding, “there are Jews and Jews.”

    Kissinger maintained his standing in part by savaging the Eastern Establishment from which he emerged.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikhail

    Every asshole mucky muck in America will pay their respects. It wouldn't surprise me to see Donald the Fat and Genocide Joe in the same photo op frame at the funeral. Almost for sure Crooked Hillary and G. J. and Barack the Magic Negro.

    Aren't Jews supposed to get buried within a day or so?

    Please let the press orgy be a short one. I will now swear off making one single additional comment on this topic in the spirit of trying to be a positive albeit puny force. : )

  20. @AP
    Trump got tricked into bragging about getting endorsed by BLM:



    https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1730255361469268299?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @A123

    Trump got tricked into bragging about getting endorsed by BLM:

    That is an exceedingly poor way to frame the situation.

    Mark Fisher is a former BLM leader of a small branch. Thus, he cannot offer official BLM action. Notice that Trump never used the word “endorse”. You (and many others in the media) inserted it to maximize hyperbolic exaggeration, a typical technique of #NeverTrump zealots.

    Step back for a fact based review. It is quite clear that:

    • Trump did NOT receive a BLM endorsement.
    • At most, it is an endorsement by a *former* BLM of Rhode Island official.
    • Trump issued a poorly crafted post.

    Imprecise verbiage left the door open for today’s flash story. His message would have been better if he had stuck with the outreach points without mentioning BLM by name.

    Carving support away from Not-The-President Biden is a valid strategic concept. This single post is indeed a minor tactical miss. It is being over dramatized because Leftoids have nothing substantial. Compared to the Veggie-in-Chief’s gaffes, it will only stick around for a short time.

    #ISitWithDavros 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Don't kid yourself, Trump's quote here is very bad: "[I am]...very honored to have...BLM's support."

    I may accept your weak explanation of "Trump issued a poorly crafted post" if you can quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM. Not against BLM "mostly peaceful protests", but at their hateful ideology, along with the communist tactics and mysticism.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  21. Russia seizes the initiative: Has the Ukraine conflict entered its endgame?
    https://www.rt.com/russia/588055-ukraines-attempt-achieve-image-victory/

    Kiev’s desperate attempt to achieve at least some form of PR victory has given way to complete failure – so what happens next?

  22. @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/

    Excerpt -


    Nixon was not subtle about who he meant by the Eastern Establishment. When the media seized upon the U.S. massacre at My Lai, Nixon remarked, “It’s those dirty rotten Jews from New York who are behind it.” Nixon’s White House counsel, John Erlichman, recalled Nixon talking about “Jewish traitors” in front of Kissinger, including “Jews at Harvard.” Kissinger would assure the boss he was one of the good ones. “Well, Mr. President,” Erlichman quoted him responding, “there are Jews and Jews.”

    Kissinger maintained his standing in part by savaging the Eastern Establishment from which he emerged.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Every asshole mucky muck in America will pay their respects. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Donald the Fat and Genocide Joe in the same photo op frame at the funeral. Almost for sure Crooked Hillary and G. J. and Barack the Magic Negro.

    Aren’t Jews supposed to get buried within a day or so?

    Please let the press orgy be a short one. I will now swear off making one single additional comment on this topic in the spirit of trying to be a positive albeit puny force. : )

  23. I would like to take this opportunity to have everyone laugh at Anatoly Karlin’s stupid prediction that China will not be the number one economic power because it banned crypto (a wise and intelligent decision) and that China is not a leader in Artificial Intelligence (this is a lie, China is THE leader in AI) here is the article https://www.unz.com/akarlin/china-isnt-going-to-make-it

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @anyone with a brain

    Go ahead and laugh if you want.

    $37 700 when I am typing this.

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

    The people who presumably influence what happens perpetually do the stupidest crap.

    https://thesolfoundation.org/event/the-inaugural-annual-conference-of-the-sol-foundation


    Due to limited room capacity, in-person attendance at Stanford is by invitation only.
     
    The CIA got all the invitations they asked for. Also all the speaker slots they asked for. They wouldn't have allowed you or I inside. Youtubes are pledged to be forthcoming for us losers.
  24. @Mr. XYZ
    I've got a question for Richard Hanania, who apparently does not believe that it should be a crime for adult women to grope and have sex with male minors who are below the legal age of consent to sex: Should this also apply to adult *trans* women groping and fucking underage male minors? Would it depend on just how passable they are? On whether or not they still have a schlong? On whether they were the active or the passive partner during sex? Et cetera.

    Anatoly, if you're reading this, please pass on my question to Richard Hanania. It's in response to this old post of his:

    https://www.richardhanania.com/p/hitler-demi-moore-and-other-pedophiles

    Replies: @Mikel

    Good luck establishing a dialogue with Hanania on your favorite topic through this blog lol.

    You don’t need Hanania to answer that question though because you have me here and I can perfectly answer for him. Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it. By contrast, sex between trans creatures and anyone other than themselves or consenting adult weirdos is objectively and biologically wrong. Hope this clarifies the issue for you.

    Also, your confession that you sit down to pee was not much of a revelation. I guess we all knew that already. But I don’t think you’ve told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,… anything you feel we should learn about.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    Well, I think that what Hanania fails to grasp is that there is a clear conflict of interest in regards to teachers and students. A teacher could offer a student a better grade in exchange for sex, after all.

    But even independently from that, Hanania is mistaken about his belief that women are incapable of being manipulators. For instance, Pamela Smart convinced her underage 15-year-old boyfriend to help murder her husband:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Smart

    Would an adult man have been as susceptible to such female manipulation?

    On a similar note, we don't allow male minors to drink alcohol or enlist in the military because we fear that their choices could be susceptible to manipulation. Would Hanania advocate changing the law in regards to this as well?


    But I don’t think you’ve told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,… anything you feel we should learn about.
     
    Such as smelling dirty women's underwear lol?

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @silviosilver
    @Mikel


    Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it.
     
    I couldn't go that far. If' it's a good, you'd want to encourage it. "Become a teacher - bang horny young studs!" - not a turn I'd like to see society take. "If you can get away with it, good for you" is about my limit here.

    On the other hand, pretending the male student was "traumatized" by the experience is simply clownworld at its best. Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Mikel

  25. @anyone with a brain
    I would like to take this opportunity to have everyone laugh at Anatoly Karlin's stupid prediction that China will not be the number one economic power because it banned crypto (a wise and intelligent decision) and that China is not a leader in Artificial Intelligence (this is a lie, China is THE leader in AI) here is the article https://www.unz.com/akarlin/china-isnt-going-to-make-it

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Go ahead and laugh if you want.

    $37 700 when I am typing this.

    https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

    The people who presumably influence what happens perpetually do the stupidest crap.

    https://thesolfoundation.org/event/the-inaugural-annual-conference-of-the-sol-foundation

    Due to limited room capacity, in-person attendance at Stanford is by invitation only.

    The CIA got all the invitations they asked for. Also all the speaker slots they asked for. They wouldn’t have allowed you or I inside. Youtubes are pledged to be forthcoming for us losers.

  26. @Mikhail
    @AP

    In line with your MO, but put accurately, Petro has far more academic experience, credentials and intellect than you've exhibited. Richard Sakwa is another. You make an idiotic point regarding Ukraine's economy in 2016.

    The discussion I posted with Wilkerson is quite informative and not really too different from Ritter. He had first hand experience with several US presidents.

    Motyl is in the delusional svido ranks of yourself.

    Replies: @AP

    The discussion I posted with Wilkerson is quite informative and not really too different from Ritter

    So it can be dismissed as idiocy. Thanks for the warning.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  27. I get the impression (and that’s all it is) that we are approaching a point of inflection in Ukraine – things are going poorly for them in Avdeevka, on the Dneiper, round Kupyansk, Russia are developing new weapons while the US are supplying Israel – it’s all looking good.

    Still, a long way to go to Odessa or Transnistria, and Mordor still has much power.

    I’ve been reading the annotated WW2 diary entries of Lord Alan Brooke, chief of staff of the UK military in the days when it made steel and built ships. Right up to December 1942 the Allies were losing ships faster than they could build them, were on the defensive in most sectors – then US production and Russian resistance started to make a difference.

    Let’s hope this is at least the end of the beginning, if it’s not the beginning of the end.

    uS

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @YetAnotherAnon

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/putin-we-must-begin-peace-negotiations

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/observe

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  28. Disney BACKLASH! Thousands CANCEL Disney Plus after Elon Musk calls out CEO Bob Iger!

    Is there anything worth watching on Disney+?

    Their buyout of Doctor Who rights is joining Marvel and Star Wars in the viewerless trash bucket.

    #ISitWithDavros 😇

  29. @YetAnotherAnon
    I get the impression (and that's all it is) that we are approaching a point of inflection in Ukraine - things are going poorly for them in Avdeevka, on the Dneiper, round Kupyansk, Russia are developing new weapons while the US are supplying Israel - it's all looking good.

    Still, a long way to go to Odessa or Transnistria, and Mordor still has much power.

    I've been reading the annotated WW2 diary entries of Lord Alan Brooke, chief of staff of the UK military in the days when it made steel and built ships. Right up to December 1942 the Allies were losing ships faster than they could build them, were on the defensive in most sectors - then US production and Russian resistance started to make a difference.

    Let's hope this is at least the end of the beginning, if it's not the beginning of the end.





    uS

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    I tried to read the first one, just too much jibberish. I think these guys instinctively know the SMO is not really about Ukraine, but that is the only way they can frame it so they are confused by many things.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @AP
    @Sher Singh

    I remember one of the conditions discussed for the peace deal in 2022, in addition to no NATO, was limitations to the Ukrainian military (capped at 100,000 or 150,000 troops, forgot which number). The combination of these two factors simply meant that Ukraine would be helpless if Russia tried again. It wasn’t just no NATO.

    Replies: @QCIC

  30. If I were Paul Atreides in the newer Dune movies, I would be like:

    [MORE]

    I know that the most evil and powerful house, the Harkonnens, and the Emperor joined together in a secret alliance against my house and were aided by someone in our inner circle, and that my house is pretty much destroyed now and the desert will quickly kill me without your help…

    And that my father was a Guatamalan

    But don’t you have any woman better-looking than Zendaya? Or, maybe, we could raid the city and capture an offworlder…

    • Agree: QCIC
    • LOL: silviosilver
  31. @A123
    @AP


    Trump got tricked into bragging about getting endorsed by BLM:
     
    That is an exceedingly poor way to frame the situation.

    Mark Fisher is a former BLM leader of a small branch. Thus, he cannot offer official BLM action. Notice that Trump never used the word "endorse". You (and many others in the media) inserted it to maximize hyperbolic exaggeration, a typical technique of #NeverTrump zealots.

    Step back for a fact based review. It is quite clear that:

    • Trump did NOT receive a BLM endorsement.
    • At most, it is an endorsement by a *former* BLM of Rhode Island official.
    • Trump issued a poorly crafted post.

    Imprecise verbiage left the door open for today's flash story. His message would have been better if he had stuck with the outreach points without mentioning BLM by name.

    Carving support away from Not-The-President Biden is a valid strategic concept. This single post is indeed a minor tactical miss. It is being over dramatized because Leftoids have nothing substantial. Compared to the Veggie-in-Chief's gaffes, it will only stick around for a short time.

    #ISitWithDavros 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Don’t kid yourself, Trump’s quote here is very bad: “[I am]…very honored to have…BLM’s support.”

    I may accept your weak explanation of “Trump issued a poorly crafted post” if you can quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM. Not against BLM “mostly peaceful protests”, but at their hateful ideology, along with the communist tactics and mysticism.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Trump is from New York. He is sure he knows how to deal with negroes and jews and whatnot. A Chinese buddy of mine explained it to me. You always kowtow. But you always make sure the other guy is kowtowing one and one-quarter inches lower.

    I might add this either was BS or it was over my head whoosh.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM.
     
    Willful ignorance is a weak justification for your pathetic #NeverTrump zealotry. It took less than 30 seconds to find this from 2020: (1)

    Trump calls Black Lives Matter a ‘symbol of hate’

     

    Trump was calling the words “Black Lives Matter” a “symbol of hate” – a description he’s refused to use for Confederate emblems – that would spoil the “luxury avenue” he once called home.

    Navigating a precarious political moment, Trump continues seizing upon widening cultural divisions in a way he believes will appeal to voters concerned about safety and order – despite polls showing wide disapproval of how he’s handling race relations.

    As he distributes wanted posters of suspected vandals on his Twitter feed and warns those who splashed red paint on statues of George Washington to turn themselves in,

     

    If you do not like this explicit example, it is CNN after all, do your own research! In less than an hour you could compile a lengthy list of times that Trump spoke out against racist BLM.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-confederate-race/index.html

    Replies: @QCIC

  32. @QCIC
    @A123

    Don't kid yourself, Trump's quote here is very bad: "[I am]...very honored to have...BLM's support."

    I may accept your weak explanation of "Trump issued a poorly crafted post" if you can quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM. Not against BLM "mostly peaceful protests", but at their hateful ideology, along with the communist tactics and mysticism.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Trump is from New York. He is sure he knows how to deal with negroes and jews and whatnot. A Chinese buddy of mine explained it to me. You always kowtow. But you always make sure the other guy is kowtowing one and one-quarter inches lower.

    I might add this either was BS or it was over my head whoosh.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Maybe, except that Trump isn't trying to be the next president of China.

    Maybe he believes BLM is played out and therefore no longer cares what anyone thinks about it.

  33. @Sher Singh
    @YetAnotherAnon

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/putin-we-must-begin-peace-negotiations

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/observe

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    I tried to read the first one, just too much jibberish. I think these guys instinctively know the SMO is not really about Ukraine, but that is the only way they can frame it so they are confused by many things.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @QCIC

    Yea he's kind of gone insane & links too many past articles.
    @AP He's saying Putin lost & is ready to come to the table.



    https://twitter.com/jujaar_singh/status/1642981120198459393

  34. @Sher Singh
    @YetAnotherAnon

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/putin-we-must-begin-peace-negotiations

    https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/observe

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    I remember one of the conditions discussed for the peace deal in 2022, in addition to no NATO, was limitations to the Ukrainian military (capped at 100,000 or 150,000 troops, forgot which number). The combination of these two factors simply meant that Ukraine would be helpless if Russia tried again. It wasn’t just no NATO.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia "tried again". That has always been the point. Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia instead of volunteering to be used as a pawn by the West. They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation.

    A wise Ukrainian statesman should have said, "Do not expand NATO, do not meddle in Ukraine, do not put USA missiles in Eastern Europe. These aggressive moves create more problems for Ukraine than doing nothing. These mistakes will set back Ukrainian autonomy by another 100 years."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AP

  35. @QCIC
    @A123

    Don't kid yourself, Trump's quote here is very bad: "[I am]...very honored to have...BLM's support."

    I may accept your weak explanation of "Trump issued a poorly crafted post" if you can quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM. Not against BLM "mostly peaceful protests", but at their hateful ideology, along with the communist tactics and mysticism.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM.

    Willful ignorance is a weak justification for your pathetic #NeverTrump zealotry. It took less than 30 seconds to find this from 2020: (1)

    Trump calls Black Lives Matter a ‘symbol of hate’

    Trump was calling the words “Black Lives Matter” a “symbol of hate” – a description he’s refused to use for Confederate emblems – that would spoil the “luxury avenue” he once called home.

    Navigating a precarious political moment, Trump continues seizing upon widening cultural divisions in a way he believes will appeal to voters concerned about safety and order – despite polls showing wide disapproval of how he’s handling race relations.

    As he distributes wanted posters of suspected vandals on his Twitter feed and warns those who splashed red paint on statues of George Washington to turn themselves in,

    If you do not like this explicit example, it is CNN after all, do your own research! In less than an hour you could compile a lengthy list of times that Trump spoke out against racist BLM.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-confederate-race/index.html

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    You may have me confused with someone else.

    I voted for Trump the first two times.

    I am convinced the second election was manipulated against Trump.

    If I decide to vote, I am likely but not certain to vote for him again. I hope he will disclose some of his team in advance.

    Replies: @A123

  36. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Trump is from New York. He is sure he knows how to deal with negroes and jews and whatnot. A Chinese buddy of mine explained it to me. You always kowtow. But you always make sure the other guy is kowtowing one and one-quarter inches lower.

    I might add this either was BS or it was over my head whoosh.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Maybe, except that Trump isn’t trying to be the next president of China.

    Maybe he believes BLM is played out and therefore no longer cares what anyone thinks about it.

  37. @A123
    @QCIC


    quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM.
     
    Willful ignorance is a weak justification for your pathetic #NeverTrump zealotry. It took less than 30 seconds to find this from 2020: (1)

    Trump calls Black Lives Matter a ‘symbol of hate’

     

    Trump was calling the words “Black Lives Matter” a “symbol of hate” – a description he’s refused to use for Confederate emblems – that would spoil the “luxury avenue” he once called home.

    Navigating a precarious political moment, Trump continues seizing upon widening cultural divisions in a way he believes will appeal to voters concerned about safety and order – despite polls showing wide disapproval of how he’s handling race relations.

    As he distributes wanted posters of suspected vandals on his Twitter feed and warns those who splashed red paint on statues of George Washington to turn themselves in,

     

    If you do not like this explicit example, it is CNN after all, do your own research! In less than an hour you could compile a lengthy list of times that Trump spoke out against racist BLM.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-confederate-race/index.html

    Replies: @QCIC

    You may have me confused with someone else.

    I voted for Trump the first two times.

    I am convinced the second election was manipulated against Trump.

    If I decide to vote, I am likely but not certain to vote for him again. I hope he will disclose some of his team in advance.

    • Thanks: Derer
    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    If you are a Trump supporter your demand is problematic -- "quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM."

    • Why were you unaware of Trump's extensive history denouncing BLM?
    • Why did you not spend less than 5 minutes doing your own research?

    Your weak explanation of willful ignorance does not hold up to scrutiny.

    PEACE 😇

  38. @QCIC
    @A123

    You may have me confused with someone else.

    I voted for Trump the first two times.

    I am convinced the second election was manipulated against Trump.

    If I decide to vote, I am likely but not certain to vote for him again. I hope he will disclose some of his team in advance.

    Replies: @A123

    If you are a Trump supporter your demand is problematic — “quote some clear pushback by Trump against BLM.

    • Why were you unaware of Trump’s extensive history denouncing BLM?
    • Why did you not spend less than 5 minutes doing your own research?

    Your weak explanation of willful ignorance does not hold up to scrutiny.

    PEACE 😇

  39. @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ

    Good luck establishing a dialogue with Hanania on your favorite topic through this blog lol.

    You don't need Hanania to answer that question though because you have me here and I can perfectly answer for him. Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it. By contrast, sex between trans creatures and anyone other than themselves or consenting adult weirdos is objectively and biologically wrong. Hope this clarifies the issue for you.

    Also, your confession that you sit down to pee was not much of a revelation. I guess we all knew that already. But I don't think you've told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,... anything you feel we should learn about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    Well, I think that what Hanania fails to grasp is that there is a clear conflict of interest in regards to teachers and students. A teacher could offer a student a better grade in exchange for sex, after all.

    But even independently from that, Hanania is mistaken about his belief that women are incapable of being manipulators. For instance, Pamela Smart convinced her underage 15-year-old boyfriend to help murder her husband:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Smart

    Would an adult man have been as susceptible to such female manipulation?

    On a similar note, we don’t allow male minors to drink alcohol or enlist in the military because we fear that their choices could be susceptible to manipulation. Would Hanania advocate changing the law in regards to this as well?

    [MORE]

    But I don’t think you’ve told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,… anything you feel we should learn about.

    Such as smelling dirty women’s underwear lol?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ


    --MORE--
     
    You are very sick. Get the fuck out of here.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  40. @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    I tried to read the first one, just too much jibberish. I think these guys instinctively know the SMO is not really about Ukraine, but that is the only way they can frame it so they are confused by many things.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Yea he’s kind of gone insane & links too many past articles.
    He’s saying Putin lost & is ready to come to the table.

    [MORE]

  41. @Mikhail
    Uber super svido BS:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/stasis-not-stalemate-ukraine-war-207592

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    Motyl is probably right. Ukraine could convincingly defeat Russia if the West was totally committed to provide all the assistance it needs to achieve that goal. But the original commitment seems to be weakening, especially in the US. Besides, the Russians must have learned some lessons and are still able to exert local dominance to get limited advances, like they did in Soledar, Bakhmut and will probably end up doing in Avdiivka too. Under the current conditions, a stalemate looks more likely.

    Motyl also provides in that article what appear to be reliable reports by the UN agencies of systematic torture by the Russians in the occupied territories. Just like in 2014-2015, Western and Ukrainian sources have proven much less reliable than Russian independent accounts and have been producing lots of BS, like the Russians shelling themselves in the nuclear plant, so I’ve been treating their reports of Russian massacres with a lot of doubt. However, OHCHR reports deserve attention. They were the ones who carefully documented the civilian death count in Donbas when no one else was interested.

    I don’t think that torture in detention is worse than bombing civilian apartment buildings. Seeing your loved ones getting killed or maimed at home by a bomb is a pretty horrible form of torture in itself but it does show the brutal character of the Russian invasion.

    I don’t know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that’s what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I'm not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut. You might know about the Denisova woman who upon getting busted admitted to lying about Russian rapes. The kidnapped children claim against Russia has been revealed as bunk. The Kiev regime never had a reasonable chance against Russia. What's being said to the contrary is on par with Joe average saying if only he were a few years younger, faster, stronger and bigger, he could be a pro-athlete.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikhail
    @Mikel


    I don’t know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that’s what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.
     
    I recall him caricaturing the Donbass residents in a negative light as some others have. Academic or otherwise, this excerpt from him isn't especially sane. If anything, they come across as a rant from a svidomite undergrad.

    Besides the fact that there is no stalemate that would necessitate negotiations, Ukraine cannot negotiate with Russia’s illegitimate president and indicted war criminal Vladimir Putin for two additional reasons. First, Putin is a bare-faced liar, and there is no reason for anyone to believe he will hold his word. Second, Putin has made it clear that he believes Ukraine should be destroyed. The Russian army has broken many articles of the Geneva Convention on war crimes, among other things, through systematic torture and rape of civilians and the use of thermobaric bombs against Ukrainian soldiers. The Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you,” a quote often attributed to Israeli prime minister Golda Meir. Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.
     
    Where does Putin say that Ukraine should be destroyed? Putin isn't the one who lied about the 2014 power sharing agreement and the Minsk Accords. He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.

    I commented further further up this thread about Russian military behavior. Never mind how Kiev regime forces have behaved in numerous instances. IMO and that of some others, Russian forces generally distinguish between earnest Ukrainians and vile svidomites, rather than a collective stereotyping.

    A couple of comparative points. To date, the US killed more civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IDF hasn't behaved more humanely towards the Palestinians.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    , @Derer
    @Mikel


    Ukraine could convincingly defeat Russia if the West was totally committed to provide all the assistance it needs to achieve that goal.
     
    Nonsense! Millions of Ukrainians escaped to Europe instead of fighting. However, Russia would change their tactics from slow velvet war (avoiding civilian destruction and waiting for the change of Kiev gang) to more aggressive engagement.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  42. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    Well, I think that what Hanania fails to grasp is that there is a clear conflict of interest in regards to teachers and students. A teacher could offer a student a better grade in exchange for sex, after all.

    But even independently from that, Hanania is mistaken about his belief that women are incapable of being manipulators. For instance, Pamela Smart convinced her underage 15-year-old boyfriend to help murder her husband:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Smart

    Would an adult man have been as susceptible to such female manipulation?

    On a similar note, we don't allow male minors to drink alcohol or enlist in the military because we fear that their choices could be susceptible to manipulation. Would Hanania advocate changing the law in regards to this as well?


    But I don’t think you’ve told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,… anything you feel we should learn about.
     
    Such as smelling dirty women's underwear lol?

    Replies: @Mikel

    –MORE–

    You are very sick. Get the fuck out of here.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    You're the one who brought up the underwear topic here!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  43. No more gang songs only elope muzik.

    [MORE]

    ਅਕਾਲ

  44. LMAO. Zeihan says he is done with Twitter because Russian bots and because Musk is an unapologetic, antisemitic apartheid supporter.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  45. @AP
    @Sher Singh

    I remember one of the conditions discussed for the peace deal in 2022, in addition to no NATO, was limitations to the Ukrainian military (capped at 100,000 or 150,000 troops, forgot which number). The combination of these two factors simply meant that Ukraine would be helpless if Russia tried again. It wasn’t just no NATO.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia “tried again”. That has always been the point. Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia instead of volunteering to be used as a pawn by the West. They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation.

    A wise Ukrainian statesman should have said, “Do not expand NATO, do not meddle in Ukraine, do not put USA missiles in Eastern Europe. These aggressive moves create more problems for Ukraine than doing nothing. These mistakes will set back Ukrainian autonomy by another 100 years.”

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @QCIC

    BRO RUSSIA STILL HASN'T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE.
    STFU LOL!

    This is Hindu level cope.
    Proves the relation,


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078695954225578055/1179965554073800775/image.png

    Replies: @QCIC, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @AP
    @QCIC


    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia “tried again”.
     
    Russia has been stopped on land (taking a town or exchanging towns or villages here and there doesn't count) and has lost the ability to block the Black Sea.

    Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia
     
    This would only have been possible if Ukraine volunteered to cease existing as a fully independent country.

    They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation
     
    Any time now. Scott Ritter says? Or MacGregor?

    But that was what Russia demanded in the first place.

    Replies: @QCIC

  46. @Mikel
    @Mikhail

    Motyl is probably right. Ukraine could convincingly defeat Russia if the West was totally committed to provide all the assistance it needs to achieve that goal. But the original commitment seems to be weakening, especially in the US. Besides, the Russians must have learned some lessons and are still able to exert local dominance to get limited advances, like they did in Soledar, Bakhmut and will probably end up doing in Avdiivka too. Under the current conditions, a stalemate looks more likely.

    Motyl also provides in that article what appear to be reliable reports by the UN agencies of systematic torture by the Russians in the occupied territories. Just like in 2014-2015, Western and Ukrainian sources have proven much less reliable than Russian independent accounts and have been producing lots of BS, like the Russians shelling themselves in the nuclear plant, so I've been treating their reports of Russian massacres with a lot of doubt. However, OHCHR reports deserve attention. They were the ones who carefully documented the civilian death count in Donbas when no one else was interested.

    I don't think that torture in detention is worse than bombing civilian apartment buildings. Seeing your loved ones getting killed or maimed at home by a bomb is a pretty horrible form of torture in itself but it does show the brutal character of the Russian invasion.

    I don't know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that's what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mikhail, @Derer

    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I’m not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut. You might know about the Denisova woman who upon getting busted admitted to lying about Russian rapes. The kidnapped children claim against Russia has been revealed as bunk. The Kiev regime never had a reasonable chance against Russia. What’s being said to the contrary is on par with Joe average saying if only he were a few years younger, faster, stronger and bigger, he could be a pro-athlete.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I’m not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut
     
    And all those people living there are wrong, right? Or paid actors, like in Sandy Hook (do you also believe that one was fake?)? It's kind of hard to pretend something didn't happen in a town of ~35,000 people.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  47. @QCIC
    @AP

    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia "tried again". That has always been the point. Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia instead of volunteering to be used as a pawn by the West. They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation.

    A wise Ukrainian statesman should have said, "Do not expand NATO, do not meddle in Ukraine, do not put USA missiles in Eastern Europe. These aggressive moves create more problems for Ukraine than doing nothing. These mistakes will set back Ukrainian autonomy by another 100 years."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AP

    BRO RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE.
    STFU LOL!

    This is Hindu level cope.
    Proves the relation,

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    Someday you will understand.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sher Singh

    "RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE"

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.

    Some links for you from the well-known Kremlin mouthpiece The Economist...

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/21/ukraine-faces-a-long-war-a-change-of-course-is-needed

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/11/09/is-ukraines-counter-offensive-over

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/27/ukraines-new-enemy-war-fatigue-in-the-west

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/28/russia-is-poised-to-take-advantage-of-political-splits-in-ukraine

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/30/putin-seems-to-be-winning-the-war-in-ukraine-for-now

    It's like the (apocryphal?) series of newspaper headlines when Napoleon escaped from Elba and marched on Paris, starting with "the Corsican ogre has escaped" and ending with "His Majesty The Emperor enters Paris".

    It's a long way since "our" sanctions were going to destroy Russia's economy. Europe and the UK are the ones being destroyed economically.

    Replies: @AP

  48. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    It’s easy to imagine alternative timelines in which the tumult of the 20th Century put Henry Kissinger in the leadership of the Soviet Union or Israel. All in all, and there’s a lot of “all” there, I’m glad he wound up on our side.
     
    Steve Sailer has always been open about the fact he's adopted.

    He's also speculated about being half Jewish. Has he ever talked about the results of his 23andMe analysis?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    I should like to know more about the ancestry of Geert Wilders. Specifically, whether he has any Dutch-Indo ancestry or whether he is actually Jewish-Indo on that side.

  49. @QCIC
    @AP

    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia "tried again". That has always been the point. Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia instead of volunteering to be used as a pawn by the West. They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation.

    A wise Ukrainian statesman should have said, "Do not expand NATO, do not meddle in Ukraine, do not put USA missiles in Eastern Europe. These aggressive moves create more problems for Ukraine than doing nothing. These mistakes will set back Ukrainian autonomy by another 100 years."

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AP

    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia “tried again”.

    Russia has been stopped on land (taking a town or exchanging towns or villages here and there doesn’t count) and has lost the ability to block the Black Sea.

    Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia

    This would only have been possible if Ukraine volunteered to cease existing as a fully independent country.

    They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation

    Any time now. Scott Ritter says? Or MacGregor?

    But that was what Russia demanded in the first place.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    What's the rush?

    If Russia fought a fast campaign as everyone seems to expect, there would be no end to problems. Her leadership would be incompetent to do that.

    Think of it. Suppose Russia went in early with a neck-breaking strike to take out Ukrainian leadership in an old-school war. This would require saturation missile attacks, bombers, etc. The civilian carnage would make Gaza look like a picnic. That would be bad enough for all sides. But then they have to subdue and control the AFU ground troops and militia. If Russia doesn't have enough resources to do the shock and awe which commenters expect, they really, really don't have enough resources to fight and capture a million angry fighters mixed in with 10 million civilians. After that they somehow have to restore order and help people survive. These last two steps could be much more divisive within Russia than the slow combat we have seen for the past two years.

    The plan they have been following for the past 15 months seems understandable to me. They are killing off Ukrainian fighters, killing off or chasing out NeoNazis, weakening the bonds between the West and Ukraine and ties within NATO. They are gradually improving their military capabilities while surviving withering sanctions. They need Ukraine to genuinely cut ties with the West and begin to restore ties to Russia. This may seem unpalatable and maybe inconceivable now, but eventually (2024, 2025?) this will seem natural to most everyone involved. The people who created this mess will be long gone and everyone else will do their best to forget about them.

    The West wants this to look like a regional conflict involving Russia. In reality it is the Western "Empire" picking a real fight with Russia. A real fight as in World War 3, nuclear weapons and all. From a Russian military perspective the casualties and slow pace of the SMO are much better than the alternative which is Armageddon.

    Of course civilian opinions are mixed within Russia, huge numbers of people have been killed and maimed and the reasons for this are not exactly clear to most people.

  50. @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I'm not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut. You might know about the Denisova woman who upon getting busted admitted to lying about Russian rapes. The kidnapped children claim against Russia has been revealed as bunk. The Kiev regime never had a reasonable chance against Russia. What's being said to the contrary is on par with Joe average saying if only he were a few years younger, faster, stronger and bigger, he could be a pro-athlete.

    Replies: @AP

    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I’m not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut

    And all those people living there are wrong, right? Or paid actors, like in Sandy Hook (do you also believe that one was fake?)? It’s kind of hard to pretend something didn’t happen in a town of ~35,000 people.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    In the 3-4 days after the Russian withdrawal, there were no such claims. Evidence of corpses being rearranged including those wearing whited bands with their hands tied. At the time, the white band was seen as either being neutral or supportive of Russia. Upon the Russian withdrawal, there was video footage of a Kiev regime Belarusian neo-Nazi in Bakhmut being asked the question if it was okay to go after people with white bands? A pro-Kiev regime source said that video is a fake. I haven't seen further substantiation. Yeah, people have lied about such things, which is why (from an objective accounting) its important to be careful. Recalling lying Rajmonda:

    https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1999/09/12/truth-ever-elusive-in-kosovo-quagmire/

    Some of the corpses were likely the result of Kiev regime shelling of Bakhmut when the Russians were there. There's the possibility of Russian wrongdoing. Probably something along the lines of a given Bakhmut resident caught communicating Intel to the Kiev regime.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  51. @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ


    --MORE--
     
    You are very sick. Get the fuck out of here.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You’re the one who brought up the underwear topic here!

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Speaking of this topic, the artist John Kacere has made some interesting paintings of women in panties, primarily focused on the panties themselves:

    https://www.artnet.com/artists/john-kacere/

  52. @Sher Singh
    @QCIC

    BRO RUSSIA STILL HASN'T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE.
    STFU LOL!

    This is Hindu level cope.
    Proves the relation,


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078695954225578055/1179965554073800775/image.png

    Replies: @QCIC, @YetAnotherAnon

    Someday you will understand.

  53. @AP
    @QCIC


    Ukraine IS helpless if Russia “tried again”.
     
    Russia has been stopped on land (taking a town or exchanging towns or villages here and there doesn't count) and has lost the ability to block the Black Sea.

    Ukraine should have found a way to coexist harmoniously with Russia
     
    This would only have been possible if Ukraine volunteered to cease existing as a fully independent country.

    They were not able to do that so now they will need to find a way to accept being a satellite part of an expanded Russian Federation
     
    Any time now. Scott Ritter says? Or MacGregor?

    But that was what Russia demanded in the first place.

    Replies: @QCIC

    What’s the rush?

    If Russia fought a fast campaign as everyone seems to expect, there would be no end to problems. Her leadership would be incompetent to do that.

    Think of it. Suppose Russia went in early with a neck-breaking strike to take out Ukrainian leadership in an old-school war. This would require saturation missile attacks, bombers, etc. The civilian carnage would make Gaza look like a picnic. That would be bad enough for all sides. But then they have to subdue and control the AFU ground troops and militia. If Russia doesn’t have enough resources to do the shock and awe which commenters expect, they really, really don’t have enough resources to fight and capture a million angry fighters mixed in with 10 million civilians. After that they somehow have to restore order and help people survive. These last two steps could be much more divisive within Russia than the slow combat we have seen for the past two years.

    The plan they have been following for the past 15 months seems understandable to me. They are killing off Ukrainian fighters, killing off or chasing out NeoNazis, weakening the bonds between the West and Ukraine and ties within NATO. They are gradually improving their military capabilities while surviving withering sanctions. They need Ukraine to genuinely cut ties with the West and begin to restore ties to Russia. This may seem unpalatable and maybe inconceivable now, but eventually (2024, 2025?) this will seem natural to most everyone involved. The people who created this mess will be long gone and everyone else will do their best to forget about them.

    The West wants this to look like a regional conflict involving Russia. In reality it is the Western “Empire” picking a real fight with Russia. A real fight as in World War 3, nuclear weapons and all. From a Russian military perspective the casualties and slow pace of the SMO are much better than the alternative which is Armageddon.

    Of course civilian opinions are mixed within Russia, huge numbers of people have been killed and maimed and the reasons for this are not exactly clear to most people.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  54. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Aaron Mate interviewed a Harpers (if I’m not mistaken) journo and ex-military guy who said he saw no clear evidence of Russian atrocities at Bakhmut
     
    And all those people living there are wrong, right? Or paid actors, like in Sandy Hook (do you also believe that one was fake?)? It's kind of hard to pretend something didn't happen in a town of ~35,000 people.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    In the 3-4 days after the Russian withdrawal, there were no such claims. Evidence of corpses being rearranged including those wearing whited bands with their hands tied. At the time, the white band was seen as either being neutral or supportive of Russia. Upon the Russian withdrawal, there was video footage of a Kiev regime Belarusian neo-Nazi in Bakhmut being asked the question if it was okay to go after people with white bands? A pro-Kiev regime source said that video is a fake. I haven’t seen further substantiation. Yeah, people have lied about such things, which is why (from an objective accounting) its important to be careful. Recalling lying Rajmonda:

    https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1999/09/12/truth-ever-elusive-in-kosovo-quagmire/

    Some of the corpses were likely the result of Kiev regime shelling of Bakhmut when the Russians were there. There’s the possibility of Russian wrongdoing. Probably something along the lines of a given Bakhmut resident caught communicating Intel to the Kiev regime.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Must be that time of month where you share a blood filled bathtub with your god, murdering Putler. By trying to cover up the hideous crimes within Bucha perpetrated by Russian troops (and acknowledged to be such by most of the world), you become culpable in the rape, pillage and murder that went on there. Take a close look at yourself in a mirror Averko, do you see the blood dripping from you mouth and hands yet?


    Russian claims that the bodies had been "staged" by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[174] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 "dark objects of similar size to a human body" appearing between 9 and 11 March. They appeared in precisely the same positions as bodies later filmed by a local council member on 1 April, after Ukrainian forces had reclaimed the city.[36] A video of the same street shows three bodies, near bicycles and abandoned cars, that first appeared between 20 and 21 March according to satellite imagery. The Times concluded, on 4 April, that "many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia's military was in control of the town" and that the images refute Russian claims of the contrary.[36] BBC News came to the same conclusion.[174] The satellite images also showed the first signs of excavations for a mass grave in Bucha on 10 March. By 31 March, it had been expanded into an "approximately 45-foot-long [14 m] trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church".
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

    Averko, your bloodbaths with Putler are becoming famous. Your hero has been seen in Germany and is waiting for you to join him:

    https://im.rediff.com/getahead/2023/feb/21carnival-rose-monday1.jpg?w=670&h=900

    Replies: @Mikhail

  55. @Mikel
    @Mikhail

    Motyl is probably right. Ukraine could convincingly defeat Russia if the West was totally committed to provide all the assistance it needs to achieve that goal. But the original commitment seems to be weakening, especially in the US. Besides, the Russians must have learned some lessons and are still able to exert local dominance to get limited advances, like they did in Soledar, Bakhmut and will probably end up doing in Avdiivka too. Under the current conditions, a stalemate looks more likely.

    Motyl also provides in that article what appear to be reliable reports by the UN agencies of systematic torture by the Russians in the occupied territories. Just like in 2014-2015, Western and Ukrainian sources have proven much less reliable than Russian independent accounts and have been producing lots of BS, like the Russians shelling themselves in the nuclear plant, so I've been treating their reports of Russian massacres with a lot of doubt. However, OHCHR reports deserve attention. They were the ones who carefully documented the civilian death count in Donbas when no one else was interested.

    I don't think that torture in detention is worse than bombing civilian apartment buildings. Seeing your loved ones getting killed or maimed at home by a bomb is a pretty horrible form of torture in itself but it does show the brutal character of the Russian invasion.

    I don't know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that's what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mikhail, @Derer

    I don’t know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that’s what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.

    I recall him caricaturing the Donbass residents in a negative light as some others have. Academic or otherwise, this excerpt from him isn’t especially sane. If anything, they come across as a rant from a svidomite undergrad.

    Besides the fact that there is no stalemate that would necessitate negotiations, Ukraine cannot negotiate with Russia’s illegitimate president and indicted war criminal Vladimir Putin for two additional reasons. First, Putin is a bare-faced liar, and there is no reason for anyone to believe he will hold his word. Second, Putin has made it clear that he believes Ukraine should be destroyed. The Russian army has broken many articles of the Geneva Convention on war crimes, among other things, through systematic torture and rape of civilians and the use of thermobaric bombs against Ukrainian soldiers. The Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you,” a quote often attributed to Israeli prime minister Golda Meir. Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.

    Where does Putin say that Ukraine should be destroyed? Putin isn’t the one who lied about the 2014 power sharing agreement and the Minsk Accords. He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.

    I commented further further up this thread about Russian military behavior. Never mind how Kiev regime forces have behaved in numerous instances. IMO and that of some others, Russian forces generally distinguish between earnest Ukrainians and vile svidomites, rather than a collective stereotyping.

    A couple of comparative points. To date, the US killed more civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IDF hasn’t behaved more humanely towards the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikhail


    Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.
     
    Negotiations will more likely occur with new Western and Kiev regime leaders. Putin is likely to outlast the current crop.
    , @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    As the ship of sinks the rhetoric accelerates. We will get more of it.


    Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you"

    He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.
     

    True, but it is water under the bridge now. The mantra "they want to kill us all!!!" is often the last rhetorical refuge for the losing side.

    The bigger issue is that the Russian side seems in no hurry to negotiate. They were deceived before openly and Merkel-Hollande both boasted about it. It is amusing that the otherwise rational Mikel willfully reverses the negotiation history. But what would one expect from the losing side? Words are a cheap way to make the pain less.

    Bird in hand is better than two in the bush and I suspect Russia will try to settle it on the ground. The time for Ukies to agree to some sort of a rational compromise was in 2014-22 and in March 2022. Why they didn't will be endlessly analyzed in the future - "mistakes were made" bull..t is the usual way West handles it. Mistakes with no ownership, isn't that great? But Zelko may not get off that easily...he displays the frantic fear of someone who is too deep into something he initially didn't believe in.

  56. @Mikhail
    @Mikel


    I don’t know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that’s what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.
     
    I recall him caricaturing the Donbass residents in a negative light as some others have. Academic or otherwise, this excerpt from him isn't especially sane. If anything, they come across as a rant from a svidomite undergrad.

    Besides the fact that there is no stalemate that would necessitate negotiations, Ukraine cannot negotiate with Russia’s illegitimate president and indicted war criminal Vladimir Putin for two additional reasons. First, Putin is a bare-faced liar, and there is no reason for anyone to believe he will hold his word. Second, Putin has made it clear that he believes Ukraine should be destroyed. The Russian army has broken many articles of the Geneva Convention on war crimes, among other things, through systematic torture and rape of civilians and the use of thermobaric bombs against Ukrainian soldiers. The Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you,” a quote often attributed to Israeli prime minister Golda Meir. Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.
     
    Where does Putin say that Ukraine should be destroyed? Putin isn't the one who lied about the 2014 power sharing agreement and the Minsk Accords. He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.

    I commented further further up this thread about Russian military behavior. Never mind how Kiev regime forces have behaved in numerous instances. IMO and that of some others, Russian forces generally distinguish between earnest Ukrainians and vile svidomites, rather than a collective stereotyping.

    A couple of comparative points. To date, the US killed more civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IDF hasn't behaved more humanely towards the Palestinians.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.

    Negotiations will more likely occur with new Western and Kiev regime leaders. Putin is likely to outlast the current crop.

  57. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    You're the one who brought up the underwear topic here!

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Speaking of this topic, the artist John Kacere has made some interesting paintings of women in panties, primarily focused on the panties themselves:

    https://www.artnet.com/artists/john-kacere/

  58. Is Richard Hanania aware that adult women can give boys life advice without them actually having sex with them until they are old enough to legally consent to sex? In other words, a platonic friendship filled with joyful experiences and a lot of life advice for the time being.

  59. @Sher Singh
    @QCIC

    BRO RUSSIA STILL HASN'T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE.
    STFU LOL!

    This is Hindu level cope.
    Proves the relation,


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078695954225578055/1179965554073800775/image.png

    Replies: @QCIC, @YetAnotherAnon

    “RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.

    Some links for you from the well-known Kremlin mouthpiece The Economist…

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/21/ukraine-faces-a-long-war-a-change-of-course-is-needed

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/11/09/is-ukraines-counter-offensive-over

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/27/ukraines-new-enemy-war-fatigue-in-the-west

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/28/russia-is-poised-to-take-advantage-of-political-splits-in-ukraine

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/30/putin-seems-to-be-winning-the-war-in-ukraine-for-now

    It’s like the (apocryphal?) series of newspaper headlines when Napoleon escaped from Elba and marched on Paris, starting with “the Corsican ogre has escaped” and ending with “His Majesty The Emperor enters Paris”.

    It’s a long way since “our” sanctions were going to destroy Russia’s economy. Europe and the UK are the ones being destroyed economically.

    • Replies: @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.
     

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop - their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

  60. Reading Marinka has finally fallen.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LondonBob


    Reading Marinka has finally fallen.
     
    You made me waste my time checking if that's true and of course it isn't.

    https://t.me/s/rybar

    A few hours ago, reports appeared about the complete clearing of Marinka: the reason was a morning video with a Russian flag hoisted over a house on Komsomolskaya Street on the westernmost outskirts of the city .

    However, it is very premature to talk about the capture of Marinka - the enemy still holds positions in the northwestern part. And to completely destroy Ukrainian forces in this area, a lot more work needs to be done.
     
    https://t.me/s/wargonzo

    Today, a lot of information has appeared on the Internet about the complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over Marinka, a strategic point on the Donetsk front. Our troops are indeed making progress, but there is no need to run ahead of the locomotive.

    ...

    From the ground they report a significant advance of our troops along the left outskirts of Marinka, but it is too early to talk about complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over the populated area. The guys are still working, but the work is done conscientiously.
     
    I know that you want the Russians to win the war very much but you need to learn to find good Russian sources of factual information with a proven record of honest assessments. Announcing non-existent victories ahead of time doesn't do any favors to your cause.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  61. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sher Singh

    "RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE"

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.

    Some links for you from the well-known Kremlin mouthpiece The Economist...

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/09/21/ukraine-faces-a-long-war-a-change-of-course-is-needed

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/11/09/is-ukraines-counter-offensive-over

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/27/ukraines-new-enemy-war-fatigue-in-the-west

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/28/russia-is-poised-to-take-advantage-of-political-splits-in-ukraine

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/11/30/putin-seems-to-be-winning-the-war-in-ukraine-for-now

    It's like the (apocryphal?) series of newspaper headlines when Napoleon escaped from Elba and marched on Paris, starting with "the Corsican ogre has escaped" and ending with "His Majesty The Emperor enters Paris".

    It's a long way since "our" sanctions were going to destroy Russia's economy. Europe and the UK are the ones being destroyed economically.

    Replies: @AP

    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop – their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...If Ukrainian forces stop... If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?
     
    Your projections are hysterical. Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list. You are making it up. In wars all kinds of things happen by both sides.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting - that's the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven't been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn't collapse economically and West can't maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.

    The answer to the key question of how far will Russia go is the same as it was at the beginning: as far as they choose. They never wanted central-western Ukraine, they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia...and they are not heading to Bretagne, calm down.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war and lost a large number of men to be in Nato. Once the dust settles it will look really stupid. How do you explain it to the families? But Zelko&Co. are not going to stick around to do much explaining...Western media will deep-six the sorry affair with the same self-deception they did with the other recent failed wars.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    "People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast"

    People knew about German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on bayonets, too. Doesn't mean it was true. The US has a vast propaganda apparatus.

    The only video I saw from south of Kharkov was young men and girls being led to the edge of a pit then shot and dumped in - by Ukrainian forces. This was after the Russian withdrawal.

    Ukraine's leadership chose to listen to Boris Johnson, a traitor to the British people who increased immigration massively after becoming Prime Minister. Turns out he only has one loyalty, to himself and whoever will next pay him. Not surprising his advice/threats were bad.

    They voted for a traitor too - Zelensky was elected on a platform of improving relations with Russia and he deliberately worsened them.

    I feel very sorry for the poor Ukrainians, who were betrayed twice, once by their leaders and then by their so-called "friends".

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

     

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany, which was able to prop up Austria-Hungary and stop the Brusilov Offensive stone-cold at the Battle of Lake Naroch in 1916:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Naroch_offensive

    (OK, you could quibble that it wasn't the Brusilov Offensive per se that was stopped by the Germans, but without successful advances by other Russian armies nearby, the Brusilov Offensive was bound to draw to a halt and ultimately fail after inflicting a lot of damage upon Austria-Hungary.)

    But Yeah, it's quite interesting that in both 1762 and 1917 Russians could quite legitimately claim to have been stabbed in the back by pro-Germans (Tsar Peter III and Vladimir Lenin, respectively), whereas Germany's claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there's no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany's government did not sue for peace.)

    For every war that Russia could have defeated Prussia/Germany and failed to do so due to backstabbing by Russian leaders, Russia had to pay a much higher price for victory in the next war against Germany that Russia participated in. Russia could have defeated Prussia in 1762 and permanently destroyed Prussia as a Great Power with perhaps only 150,000 Russian dead. In WWI, the Russian price for defeating Germany would have probably been in the range of 3 million Russian dead. In WWII, the Soviet price for defeating Germany was 8-11 million Soviet troops dead and also 15+ million Soviet civilians dead. Thanks, Peter III and Lenin, for making Russia bleed much more against Germany in future Germano-Russian wars!

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    , @Cesar1191
    @AP


    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop – their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

     

    I'm curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse. Some old people and sick people would stay behind, so all Russia would gain would be pensioners and patients, plus land and destroyed buildings, and sanctions against Russia would never be lifted, so even in this great victory, the war would have been a giant net negative for Russia. This is why Russia attempted a quick takeover, and why once that failed, Russia's best option was to just give up, cut its losses, and return to its border.

    Replies: @AP

  62. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.
     

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop - their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    …If Ukrainian forces stop… If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Your projections are hysterical. Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list. You are making it up. In wars all kinds of things happen by both sides.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn’t collapse economically and West can’t maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.

    The answer to the key question of how far will Russia go is the same as it was at the beginning: as far as they choose. They never wanted central-western Ukraine, they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia…and they are not heading to Bretagne, calm down.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war and lost a large number of men to be in Nato. Once the dust settles it will look really stupid. How do you explain it to the families? But Zelko&Co. are not going to stick around to do much explaining…Western media will deep-six the sorry affair with the same self-deception they did with the other recent failed wars.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn’t collapse economically and West can’t maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.
     
    I concur.

    Russian forces could advance more strongly. That would be costly in term of blood and treasure.

    Or, Russia can wait for support to fade away. The U.S. is already reclaiming national honour & prestige by walking away from the European Empire's mistake. This is obviously the better strategy for Putin.

    Kiev aggression is running low on resources. Their smart move would be good faith negotiations. Difficult after the Minsk perfidy, but EU puppet Zelensky will not even try.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list
     
    You can lie to yourself and others about this but the Ukrainian people know better.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention
     
    Paying attention to clowns like MacGregor or Ritter?

    Right now it’s a stalemate on the ground, with Russians losing more men through attrition. Whether this will be enough to eventually “break” them remains to be seen, I won’t pretend to know whether or not that is the case.

    They never wanted central-western Ukraine
     
    That’s why their first main thrust was to Kiev from multiple directions and why they sacrificed their elite paratroopers there.

    they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia
     
    After losing the first phase this may be their next, much more modest goal.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war
     
    The war was indeed unnecessary and tragic, but Ukraine fighting in response to the unnecessary Russian invasion was not unnecessary.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  63. @Mikhail
    @Mikel


    I don’t know what he has been saying lately but I remember Motyl as a sane voice during the Donbas war. He defended letting Donbas reunite with Russia if that’s what the population wanted, which was most unusual for a Ukrainian public figure.
     
    I recall him caricaturing the Donbass residents in a negative light as some others have. Academic or otherwise, this excerpt from him isn't especially sane. If anything, they come across as a rant from a svidomite undergrad.

    Besides the fact that there is no stalemate that would necessitate negotiations, Ukraine cannot negotiate with Russia’s illegitimate president and indicted war criminal Vladimir Putin for two additional reasons. First, Putin is a bare-faced liar, and there is no reason for anyone to believe he will hold his word. Second, Putin has made it clear that he believes Ukraine should be destroyed. The Russian army has broken many articles of the Geneva Convention on war crimes, among other things, through systematic torture and rape of civilians and the use of thermobaric bombs against Ukrainian soldiers. The Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you,” a quote often attributed to Israeli prime minister Golda Meir. Negotiations will be possible only after Putin departs, either physically or politically.
     
    Where does Putin say that Ukraine should be destroyed? Putin isn't the one who lied about the 2014 power sharing agreement and the Minsk Accords. He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.

    I commented further further up this thread about Russian military behavior. Never mind how Kiev regime forces have behaved in numerous instances. IMO and that of some others, Russian forces generally distinguish between earnest Ukrainians and vile svidomites, rather than a collective stereotyping.

    A couple of comparative points. To date, the US killed more civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The IDF hasn't behaved more humanely towards the Palestinians.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    As the ship of sinks the rhetoric accelerates. We will get more of it.

    Ukrainians clearly understand “that you cannot negotiate with someone who intends to kill you”

    He gave the peace option plenty of time. Thereafter, he engaged in a special military operation for the purpose of getting the Kiev regime to the negotiating table.

    True, but it is water under the bridge now. The mantra “they want to kill us all!!!” is often the last rhetorical refuge for the losing side.

    The bigger issue is that the Russian side seems in no hurry to negotiate. They were deceived before openly and Merkel-Hollande both boasted about it. It is amusing that the otherwise rational Mikel willfully reverses the negotiation history. But what would one expect from the losing side? Words are a cheap way to make the pain less.

    Bird in hand is better than two in the bush and I suspect Russia will try to settle it on the ground. The time for Ukies to agree to some sort of a rational compromise was in 2014-22 and in March 2022. Why they didn’t will be endlessly analyzed in the future – “mistakes were made” bull..t is the usual way West handles it. Mistakes with no ownership, isn’t that great? But Zelko may not get off that easily…he displays the frantic fear of someone who is too deep into something he initially didn’t believe in.

  64. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...If Ukrainian forces stop... If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?
     
    Your projections are hysterical. Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list. You are making it up. In wars all kinds of things happen by both sides.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting - that's the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven't been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn't collapse economically and West can't maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.

    The answer to the key question of how far will Russia go is the same as it was at the beginning: as far as they choose. They never wanted central-western Ukraine, they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia...and they are not heading to Bretagne, calm down.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war and lost a large number of men to be in Nato. Once the dust settles it will look really stupid. How do you explain it to the families? But Zelko&Co. are not going to stick around to do much explaining...Western media will deep-six the sorry affair with the same self-deception they did with the other recent failed wars.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn’t collapse economically and West can’t maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.

    I concur.

    Russian forces could advance more strongly. That would be costly in term of blood and treasure.

    Or, Russia can wait for support to fade away. The U.S. is already reclaiming national honour & prestige by walking away from the European Empire’s mistake. This is obviously the better strategy for Putin.

    Kiev aggression is running low on resources. Their smart move would be good faith negotiations. Difficult after the Minsk perfidy, but EU puppet Zelensky will not even try.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    The U.S. is already reclaiming national honour & prestige by walking away from the European Empire’s mistake.
     
    The EU never made a mistake, it was the ill forming newly reconstituted Russian empire that made a huge mistake by invading Ukraine. Labeling Ukraine as the aggressor in this war is plain nonsense as everybody can see and qualifies you to join Averko in Putler's bloodbath, as depicted in the parade above held in European Germany. As Trump fades away, the US will continue its support for Ukraine, as is evidenced in Europe today, so be forewarned that your whole world is crumbling a part:

    BRUSSELS, Oct 27 (Reuters) - Most European Union leaders on Friday backed granting more financial support to Ukraine as it fights a Russian invasion, but Hungary and Slovakia voiced reservations ahead of a decision the bloc needs to make unanimously in December..."The European Union will continue to provide strong financial, economic, humanitarian, military and diplomatic support to Ukraine and its people for as long as it takes," a joint statement from the EU leaders read.
     
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-broadly-supports-more-cash-ukraine-needs-time-work-out-details-2023-10-27/
  65. @Mikhail
    @AP

    In the 3-4 days after the Russian withdrawal, there were no such claims. Evidence of corpses being rearranged including those wearing whited bands with their hands tied. At the time, the white band was seen as either being neutral or supportive of Russia. Upon the Russian withdrawal, there was video footage of a Kiev regime Belarusian neo-Nazi in Bakhmut being asked the question if it was okay to go after people with white bands? A pro-Kiev regime source said that video is a fake. I haven't seen further substantiation. Yeah, people have lied about such things, which is why (from an objective accounting) its important to be careful. Recalling lying Rajmonda:

    https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1999/09/12/truth-ever-elusive-in-kosovo-quagmire/

    Some of the corpses were likely the result of Kiev regime shelling of Bakhmut when the Russians were there. There's the possibility of Russian wrongdoing. Probably something along the lines of a given Bakhmut resident caught communicating Intel to the Kiev regime.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Must be that time of month where you share a blood filled bathtub with your god, murdering Putler. By trying to cover up the hideous crimes within Bucha perpetrated by Russian troops (and acknowledged to be such by most of the world), you become culpable in the rape, pillage and murder that went on there. Take a close look at yourself in a mirror Averko, do you see the blood dripping from you mouth and hands yet?

    Russian claims that the bodies had been “staged” by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[174] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 “dark objects of similar size to a human body” appearing between 9 and 11 March. They appeared in precisely the same positions as bodies later filmed by a local council member on 1 April, after Ukrainian forces had reclaimed the city.[36] A video of the same street shows three bodies, near bicycles and abandoned cars, that first appeared between 20 and 21 March according to satellite imagery. The Times concluded, on 4 April, that “many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia’s military was in control of the town” and that the images refute Russian claims of the contrary.[36] BBC News came to the same conclusion.[174] The satellite images also showed the first signs of excavations for a mass grave in Bucha on 10 March. By 31 March, it had been expanded into an “approximately 45-foot-long [14 m] trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

    Averko, your bloodbaths with Putler are becoming famous. Your hero has been seen in Germany and is waiting for you to join him:

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Right back at you and your corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  66. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...If Ukrainian forces stop... If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?
     
    Your projections are hysterical. Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list. You are making it up. In wars all kinds of things happen by both sides.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting - that's the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven't been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn't collapse economically and West can't maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.

    The answer to the key question of how far will Russia go is the same as it was at the beginning: as far as they choose. They never wanted central-western Ukraine, they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia...and they are not heading to Bretagne, calm down.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war and lost a large number of men to be in Nato. Once the dust settles it will look really stupid. How do you explain it to the families? But Zelko&Co. are not going to stick around to do much explaining...Western media will deep-six the sorry affair with the same self-deception they did with the other recent failed wars.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list

    You can lie to yourself and others about this but the Ukrainian people know better.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention

    Paying attention to clowns like MacGregor or Ritter?

    Right now it’s a stalemate on the ground, with Russians losing more men through attrition. Whether this will be enough to eventually “break” them remains to be seen, I won’t pretend to know whether or not that is the case.

    They never wanted central-western Ukraine

    That’s why their first main thrust was to Kiev from multiple directions and why they sacrificed their elite paratroopers there.

    they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia

    After losing the first phase this may be their next, much more modest goal.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war

    The war was indeed unnecessary and tragic, but Ukraine fighting in response to the unnecessary Russian invasion was not unnecessary.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    "right now it’s a stalemate on the ground"

    LOL. Maybe on one kind of ground.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6RSa1OMaQ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  67. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.
     

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop - their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    “People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast”

    People knew about German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on bayonets, too. Doesn’t mean it was true. The US has a vast propaganda apparatus.

    The only video I saw from south of Kharkov was young men and girls being led to the edge of a pit then shot and dumped in – by Ukrainian forces. This was after the Russian withdrawal.

    Ukraine’s leadership chose to listen to Boris Johnson, a traitor to the British people who increased immigration massively after becoming Prime Minister. Turns out he only has one loyalty, to himself and whoever will next pay him. Not surprising his advice/threats were bad.

    They voted for a traitor too – Zelensky was elected on a platform of improving relations with Russia and he deliberately worsened them.

    I feel very sorry for the poor Ukrainians, who were betrayed twice, once by their leaders and then by their so-called “friends”.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast”


    People knew about German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on bayonets, too
     
    Not in Belgium they didn’t. But in Kiev the locals know what the Russians did, as they do in other places they occupied. You can fool Western pro-Russian morons, but people in Ukraine know.

    They voted for a traitor too – Zelensky was elected on a platform of improving relations with Russia and he deliberately worsened them
     
    I posted Zelensky’s platform. Pro-EU, pro-NATO, calls Russia an aggressor. Less emphasis on conflict (and indeed under Zelensky shootings in Donbas declined) but in no way pro-capitulation on any of the points that Russia demanded and eventually invaded over.
  68. @AP
    @Beckow


    Russia has occupied 20% of Ukraine without any of the things on your scary list
     
    You can lie to yourself and others about this but the Ukrainian people know better.

    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention
     
    Paying attention to clowns like MacGregor or Ritter?

    Right now it’s a stalemate on the ground, with Russians losing more men through attrition. Whether this will be enough to eventually “break” them remains to be seen, I won’t pretend to know whether or not that is the case.

    They never wanted central-western Ukraine
     
    That’s why their first main thrust was to Kiev from multiple directions and why they sacrificed their elite paratroopers there.

    they only want that region emasculated and not able to threaten Russia
     
    After losing the first phase this may be their next, much more modest goal.

    Kiev has fought an unnecessary war
     
    The war was indeed unnecessary and tragic, but Ukraine fighting in response to the unnecessary Russian invasion was not unnecessary.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “right now it’s a stalemate on the ground”

    LOL. Maybe on one kind of ground.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It's the Russian soldiers that are massively being exterminated in a foreign country. While fallen Ukrainian soldiers are buried with full honors and with religious funerals in Ukrainian churches and cemeteries, its the unfortunate Russian mothers who often don't know the fate of their beloved sons that fall within Ukraine. Instead of funerals, many fallen Russian soldiers are unceremoniously dumped in communal holes in the ground and forgotten by their fleeing brothers in arms:

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/fa390297a2073297c20bd6807afd8f1c6689358c/0_335_6720_4032/master/6720.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none


    The residents report seeing Russian open trucks arriving to the site carrying black bags that were then set on fire, filling the air with a large cloud of smoke and a terrifying stench of burning flesh.

    They believe the Russians were disposing of the bodies of its soldiers killed during the heavy fighting of those summer days.

    “Every time our army shelled the Russians there, they moved the remains to the landfill and burned them,” says Iryna, 40, a Kherson resident.
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/21/russians-accused-of-burning-bodies-at-kherson-landfill

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  69. @A123
    @Beckow


    The losing side eventually stops fighting – that’s the general pattern in most wars. If you still think that Kiev is winning you haven’t been paying attention. The offensive failed and manpower-weapons are exhausted. Russia didn’t collapse economically and West can’t maintain the financial support for Ukraine on this level indefinitely.
     
    I concur.

    Russian forces could advance more strongly. That would be costly in term of blood and treasure.

    Or, Russia can wait for support to fade away. The U.S. is already reclaiming national honour & prestige by walking away from the European Empire's mistake. This is obviously the better strategy for Putin.

    Kiev aggression is running low on resources. Their smart move would be good faith negotiations. Difficult after the Minsk perfidy, but EU puppet Zelensky will not even try.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The U.S. is already reclaiming national honour & prestige by walking away from the European Empire’s mistake.

    The EU never made a mistake, it was the ill forming newly reconstituted Russian empire that made a huge mistake by invading Ukraine. Labeling Ukraine as the aggressor in this war is plain nonsense as everybody can see and qualifies you to join Averko in Putler’s bloodbath, as depicted in the parade above held in European Germany. As Trump fades away, the US will continue its support for Ukraine, as is evidenced in Europe today, so be forewarned that your whole world is crumbling a part:

    BRUSSELS, Oct 27 (Reuters) – Most European Union leaders on Friday backed granting more financial support to Ukraine as it fights a Russian invasion, but Hungary and Slovakia voiced reservations ahead of a decision the bloc needs to make unanimously in December…”The European Union will continue to provide strong financial, economic, humanitarian, military and diplomatic support to Ukraine and its people for as long as it takes,” a joint statement from the EU leaders read.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-broadly-supports-more-cash-ukraine-needs-time-work-out-details-2023-10-27/

  70. @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    "right now it’s a stalemate on the ground"

    LOL. Maybe on one kind of ground.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6RSa1OMaQ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s the Russian soldiers that are massively being exterminated in a foreign country. While fallen Ukrainian soldiers are buried with full honors and with religious funerals in Ukrainian churches and cemeteries, its the unfortunate Russian mothers who often don’t know the fate of their beloved sons that fall within Ukraine. Instead of funerals, many fallen Russian soldiers are unceremoniously dumped in communal holes in the ground and forgotten by their fleeing brothers in arms:

    The residents report seeing Russian open trucks arriving to the site carrying black bags that were then set on fire, filling the air with a large cloud of smoke and a terrifying stench of burning flesh.

    They believe the Russians were disposing of the bodies of its soldiers killed during the heavy fighting of those summer days.

    “Every time our army shelled the Russians there, they moved the remains to the landfill and burned them,” says Iryna, 40, a Kherson resident.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/21/russians-accused-of-burning-bodies-at-kherson-landfill

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    To Mike Averko:

    You have some sort of proof that Russian soldiers were not unceremoniously dumped in the ground by fleeing Russian military from Kherson? Why label me a "troll" for only spreading the truth?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  71. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Must be that time of month where you share a blood filled bathtub with your god, murdering Putler. By trying to cover up the hideous crimes within Bucha perpetrated by Russian troops (and acknowledged to be such by most of the world), you become culpable in the rape, pillage and murder that went on there. Take a close look at yourself in a mirror Averko, do you see the blood dripping from you mouth and hands yet?


    Russian claims that the bodies had been "staged" by the Ukrainian side after the withdrawal of Russian troops were contradicted by satellite images from mid-March that were provided by Maxar Technologies to The New York Times.[174] The images of Yablonska Street show at least 11 "dark objects of similar size to a human body" appearing between 9 and 11 March. They appeared in precisely the same positions as bodies later filmed by a local council member on 1 April, after Ukrainian forces had reclaimed the city.[36] A video of the same street shows three bodies, near bicycles and abandoned cars, that first appeared between 20 and 21 March according to satellite imagery. The Times concluded, on 4 April, that "many of the civilians were killed more than three weeks ago, when Russia's military was in control of the town" and that the images refute Russian claims of the contrary.[36] BBC News came to the same conclusion.[174] The satellite images also showed the first signs of excavations for a mass grave in Bucha on 10 March. By 31 March, it had been expanded into an "approximately 45-foot-long [14 m] trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church".
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

    Averko, your bloodbaths with Putler are becoming famous. Your hero has been seen in Germany and is waiting for you to join him:

    https://im.rediff.com/getahead/2023/feb/21carnival-rose-monday1.jpg?w=670&h=900

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Right back at you and your corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    • Agree: A123
    • LOL: Mikhail, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    "Right back"? You're the one that is finding it hard to extricate yourself from shared Ukrainian blood with Putler. Your future looks grim as you grow old and try to retain some sort of an innocense that just doesn't exist. Dump the Putler you sadist before its too late!

    As for cowardly kremlinstoogeA123, how is it that you've put me on "ignore" yet manage to agree with Averko? You're not only demented, but a liar as well.

  72. George Szamuely sat down for a fascinating conversation with Dmitry Polyanskiy, the Russian Federation’s first deputy permanent representative at the United Nations.

  73. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Right back at you and your corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Right back”? You’re the one that is finding it hard to extricate yourself from shared Ukrainian blood with Putler. Your future looks grim as you grow old and try to retain some sort of an innocense that just doesn’t exist. Dump the Putler you sadist before its too late!

    As for cowardly kremlinstoogeA123, how is it that you’ve put me on “ignore” yet manage to agree with Averko? You’re not only demented, but a liar as well.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  74. https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskiy-demands-fortifications-war-risks-102755618.html

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called for a faster buildup of major defensive lines amid Kyiv’s stalled counteroffensive and concerns that Russia could attempt to take more territory.

    Zelenskiy urged greater speed and efficiency in building defenses in a video statement on Telegram after a meeting with key military and security officials Tuesday evening. He encouraged local communities to pitch in and pledged to make money available for the effort.

    “Our country will definitely have enough mines and concrete,” he said. He didn’t provide details on where the fortifications would be built or how extensive they might be.

    (Reuters) -President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called for faster construction of fortifications in key sectors under pressure from Russian forces, particularly in eastern Ukraine, the focal point of Moscow’s advances 21 months into its invasion.

    Zelenskiy issued his appeal after touring Ukrainian positions in the northeast, one of several areas where Russian forces have been trying to make recent headway – and recapture areas taken back by Ukrainian troops a year ago. He said one of the meetings he held with commanders dealt with fortifications.

    “In all major sectors where reinforcement is needed, there should be a boost and an acceleration in the construction of structures,” Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address.

    “This of course means the greatest attention to the Avdiivka, Maryinka and other sectors in Donetsk region. In Kharkiv region, this means the Kupiansk sector and the Kupiansk-Lyman line.”

    Russia has made slow progress in trying to secure all of the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, but has boosted attacks in several areas. These include Kupiansk near Kharkiv, retaken by Ukraine in a drive through the northeast a year ago.

    Russian occupying forces have built solid fortifications and minefields of their own in areas they have held since pouring over the border in February 2022.

    Those defences have been a key factor in holding back a Ukrainian counteroffensive under way since June. Ukrainian troops have made only incremental gains in the east and south.

    Have Ukraine got the gear to do this? They’ll need lots of diggers, trucks, and all kinds of expensive construction equipment. Plus skilled people.

    Doomed, I tell ‘ee. Doomed ! Goodbye offensive, hello defensive!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Have Ukraine got the gear to do this? They’ll need lots of diggers, trucks, and all kinds of expensive construction equipment. Plus skilled people.
     
    Quit exaggerating. You don't need PhD in engineering to dig fox holes. If the Russians can do it...

    https://youtu.be/yMNhQ-uPVlY

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  75. @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    "People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast"

    People knew about German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on bayonets, too. Doesn't mean it was true. The US has a vast propaganda apparatus.

    The only video I saw from south of Kharkov was young men and girls being led to the edge of a pit then shot and dumped in - by Ukrainian forces. This was after the Russian withdrawal.

    Ukraine's leadership chose to listen to Boris Johnson, a traitor to the British people who increased immigration massively after becoming Prime Minister. Turns out he only has one loyalty, to himself and whoever will next pay him. Not surprising his advice/threats were bad.

    They voted for a traitor too - Zelensky was elected on a platform of improving relations with Russia and he deliberately worsened them.

    I feel very sorry for the poor Ukrainians, who were betrayed twice, once by their leaders and then by their so-called "friends".

    Replies: @AP

    People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast”

    People knew about German soldiers tossing Belgian babies on bayonets, too

    Not in Belgium they didn’t. But in Kiev the locals know what the Russians did, as they do in other places they occupied. You can fool Western pro-Russian morons, but people in Ukraine know.

    They voted for a traitor too – Zelensky was elected on a platform of improving relations with Russia and he deliberately worsened them

    I posted Zelensky’s platform. Pro-EU, pro-NATO, calls Russia an aggressor. Less emphasis on conflict (and indeed under Zelensky shootings in Donbas declined) but in no way pro-capitulation on any of the points that Russia demanded and eventually invaded over.

  76. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It's the Russian soldiers that are massively being exterminated in a foreign country. While fallen Ukrainian soldiers are buried with full honors and with religious funerals in Ukrainian churches and cemeteries, its the unfortunate Russian mothers who often don't know the fate of their beloved sons that fall within Ukraine. Instead of funerals, many fallen Russian soldiers are unceremoniously dumped in communal holes in the ground and forgotten by their fleeing brothers in arms:

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/fa390297a2073297c20bd6807afd8f1c6689358c/0_335_6720_4032/master/6720.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none


    The residents report seeing Russian open trucks arriving to the site carrying black bags that were then set on fire, filling the air with a large cloud of smoke and a terrifying stench of burning flesh.

    They believe the Russians were disposing of the bodies of its soldiers killed during the heavy fighting of those summer days.

    “Every time our army shelled the Russians there, they moved the remains to the landfill and burned them,” says Iryna, 40, a Kherson resident.
     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/21/russians-accused-of-burning-bodies-at-kherson-landfill

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    To Mike Averko:

    You have some sort of proof that Russian soldiers were not unceremoniously dumped in the ground by fleeing Russian military from Kherson? Why label me a “troll” for only spreading the truth?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You don't have conclusive proof that such occurred as stated.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  77. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    To Mike Averko:

    You have some sort of proof that Russian soldiers were not unceremoniously dumped in the ground by fleeing Russian military from Kherson? Why label me a "troll" for only spreading the truth?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You don’t have conclusive proof that such occurred as stated.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Eyewitness accounts and photos don't count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we're to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  78. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskiy-demands-fortifications-war-risks-102755618.html

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called for a faster buildup of major defensive lines amid Kyiv’s stalled counteroffensive and concerns that Russia could attempt to take more territory.

    Zelenskiy urged greater speed and efficiency in building defenses in a video statement on Telegram after a meeting with key military and security officials Tuesday evening. He encouraged local communities to pitch in and pledged to make money available for the effort.

    “Our country will definitely have enough mines and concrete,” he said. He didn’t provide details on where the fortifications would be built or how extensive they might be.

    (Reuters) -President Volodymyr Zelenskiy called for faster construction of fortifications in key sectors under pressure from Russian forces, particularly in eastern Ukraine, the focal point of Moscow's advances 21 months into its invasion.

    Zelenskiy issued his appeal after touring Ukrainian positions in the northeast, one of several areas where Russian forces have been trying to make recent headway - and recapture areas taken back by Ukrainian troops a year ago. He said one of the meetings he held with commanders dealt with fortifications.

    "In all major sectors where reinforcement is needed, there should be a boost and an acceleration in the construction of structures," Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address.

    "This of course means the greatest attention to the Avdiivka, Maryinka and other sectors in Donetsk region. In Kharkiv region, this means the Kupiansk sector and the Kupiansk-Lyman line."

    Russia has made slow progress in trying to secure all of the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, but has boosted attacks in several areas. These include Kupiansk near Kharkiv, retaken by Ukraine in a drive through the northeast a year ago.

    Russian occupying forces have built solid fortifications and minefields of their own in areas they have held since pouring over the border in February 2022.

    Those defences have been a key factor in holding back a Ukrainian counteroffensive under way since June. Ukrainian troops have made only incremental gains in the east and south.
     
    Have Ukraine got the gear to do this? They'll need lots of diggers, trucks, and all kinds of expensive construction equipment. Plus skilled people.

    Doomed, I tell 'ee. Doomed ! Goodbye offensive, hello defensive!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Have Ukraine got the gear to do this? They’ll need lots of diggers, trucks, and all kinds of expensive construction equipment. Plus skilled people.

    Quit exaggerating. You don’t need PhD in engineering to dig fox holes. If the Russians can do it…

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    You need machinery to build solid defences. You need lots of concrete too.

    I'm sure the tech has advanced since this, from 1956.

    https://www.militarytoday.com/engineering/btm_3.htm

    https://read.bradyafrick.com/p/russian-field-fortifications-in-ukraine

    Dooooomed !!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  79. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You don't have conclusive proof that such occurred as stated.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Eyewitness accounts and photos don’t count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we’re to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Eyewitness accounts and photos don’t count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we’re to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

     

    Eyewitness accounts and photos corroborate the wanton Kiev regime violence against civilians in Donbass. Then there's the Kiev regime with computer game footage used to prop the Ghost of Kiev hoax. Likewise, it's not off the wall to seek substantiation on Kiev regime claims (they've been busted for lying on such matter) of photos which could involve pre-arranged positioning for a certain dramatic effect. The Russian withdrawal from Kherson didn't result in many casualties among their forces. Far less than the Kiev regime casualties in taking that city.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  80. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Have Ukraine got the gear to do this? They’ll need lots of diggers, trucks, and all kinds of expensive construction equipment. Plus skilled people.
     
    Quit exaggerating. You don't need PhD in engineering to dig fox holes. If the Russians can do it...

    https://youtu.be/yMNhQ-uPVlY

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    You need machinery to build solid defences. You need lots of concrete too.

    I’m sure the tech has advanced since this, from 1956.

    https://www.militarytoday.com/engineering/btm_3.htm

    https://read.bradyafrick.com/p/russian-field-fortifications-in-ukraine

    Dooooomed !!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Overall, the Ukrainian nation and its military have done an admirable job of defending itself. You think that they're not up to the task of building more trenches and need to surrender to Russia, ASAP?

    https://preview.redd.it/great-cartoon-in-the-times-v0-7tyzoxce5yk81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c563fd1e30a70fdf519c05ab42eef1a3e3093db3

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  81. And it’s getting cold. Uzhhorod is the only airfield in Ukraine I’ve seen a plane from Europe land on, it’s just over the border from Poland.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/weather-tracker-deaths-heavy-snowfall-winter-eastern-europe

    In Moldova, four people were reported dead over the weekend, with two bodies being recovered from cars that had been buried in snowdrifts. In Ukraine, severe snowstorms left 10 people dead across the Odesa, Kharkiv, Mykolaiv and Kyiv regions. Fifteen hundred towns and villages were left without power, with one snowstorm in Odesa leaving 2,500 people in need of rescue and about 850 vehicles requiring towing. Southern Ukraine was the worst affected, as cars and buses slid off frozen roads, with local authorities battling strong winds to rescue vehicles. Bulgaria was also badly affected, declaring a state of emergency as winter storms left more than 1,000 villages without electricity.

  82. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    You need machinery to build solid defences. You need lots of concrete too.

    I'm sure the tech has advanced since this, from 1956.

    https://www.militarytoday.com/engineering/btm_3.htm

    https://read.bradyafrick.com/p/russian-field-fortifications-in-ukraine

    Dooooomed !!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Overall, the Ukrainian nation and its military have done an admirable job of defending itself. You think that they’re not up to the task of building more trenches and need to surrender to Russia, ASAP?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    If cartoons and propaganda won wars ... they don't NEED to surrender to Russia asap, it's just a question of how many they want to lose first.

    Don't forget a decent chunk of the Ukrainian nation chose independence in 2014... and another large chunk voted with their feet.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7NlFWh7Sz8

  83. Did Francis Scott Key ever write a song about settling American slaves in Liberia?

  84. @LondonBob
    Reading Marinka has finally fallen.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Reading Marinka has finally fallen.

    You made me waste my time checking if that’s true and of course it isn’t.

    https://t.me/s/rybar

    A few hours ago, reports appeared about the complete clearing of Marinka: the reason was a morning video with a Russian flag hoisted over a house on Komsomolskaya Street on the westernmost outskirts of the city .

    However, it is very premature to talk about the capture of Marinka – the enemy still holds positions in the northwestern part. And to completely destroy Ukrainian forces in this area, a lot more work needs to be done.

    https://t.me/s/wargonzo

    Today, a lot of information has appeared on the Internet about the complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over Marinka, a strategic point on the Donetsk front. Our troops are indeed making progress, but there is no need to run ahead of the locomotive.

    From the ground they report a significant advance of our troops along the left outskirts of Marinka, but it is too early to talk about complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over the populated area. The guys are still working, but the work is done conscientiously.

    I know that you want the Russians to win the war very much but you need to learn to find good Russian sources of factual information with a proven record of honest assessments. Announcing non-existent victories ahead of time doesn’t do any favors to your cause.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Splitting hairs, Marinka has been liberated.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  85. Toshiba is being delisted.

  86. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Overall, the Ukrainian nation and its military have done an admirable job of defending itself. You think that they're not up to the task of building more trenches and need to surrender to Russia, ASAP?

    https://preview.redd.it/great-cartoon-in-the-times-v0-7tyzoxce5yk81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c563fd1e30a70fdf519c05ab42eef1a3e3093db3

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    If cartoons and propaganda won wars … they don’t NEED to surrender to Russia asap, it’s just a question of how many they want to lose first.

    Don’t forget a decent chunk of the Ukrainian nation chose independence in 2014… and another large chunk voted with their feet.

  87. What has become obvious again in the Zionist genocide is the Arabs still lack any leadership, Israel counts on this and its one reason why it always gets its way.

    Turkey wants to be a leader but are afraid of Israel nuclear weapons. Turkey whines “why can’t we have nukes?” A leader doesn’t ask permission or moan but takes decisive steps to get what it needs to lead.

    Egypt is just a U.S/Israeli pet, Iran doesn’t utilize its educated people but holds them in an ideological straight jacket.

    As for the gulf states…they’re drunk on oil and all the trinkets and shiny baubles that money buys, they have a military full of all the latest technology but the fighting ability of a mummys boy.

    No leadership in the Arab world…that is why the Zionist thorn has not been removed.

  88. Probably modern world record achieved of marine anchor dragging at the bottom for nearly two hundred kilometers?;) Dry land equivalent would be cargotruck driving with handbrake on, lol

    BRUSSELS — As the investigation into damage to Baltic Sea critical infrastructure continues, Finland’s Minister of European Affairs Anders Adlercreutz said it’s hard to believe sabotage to the undersea gas pipeline was accidental — or that it happened without Beijing’s knowledge.

    “I’m not the sea captain. But I would think that you would notice that you’re dragging an anchor behind you for hundreds of kilometers,” Adlercreutz said in an interview Thursday in Brussels. “I think everything indicates that it was intentional. But of course, so far, nobody has admitted to it.”

    Finland and Estonia have been investigating the rupture of the Balticconnector, a 77-kilometer-long gas pipeline that connects the two NATO members beneath the Baltic Sea. The pipeline was damaged around October 7-8, along with two telecoms cables connecting Estonia to Finland and Sweden.

    An investigation by Finnish authorities identified as the main suspect Chinese container ship Newnew Polar Bear, which is believed to have dragged its anchor across the Baltic Sea seabed, cutting through the cables and gas lines. The anchor — which weighs 6,000 kilograms — was retrieved a few meters from the site of the damage.

    Finland and Estonia have since been in touch with Chinese authorities seeking their cooperation with the investigation. The Baltic Times reported earlier this week that the two European countries have asked to send representatives to Beijing to investigate the vessel, which is currently en route to a Chinese port.

    Adlercreutz said he can’t speculate on whether the action was approved by the Chinese government. But the vessel’s imminent return to China raises some questions, he said.

    “If I as a captain would have done something that the Chinese government wouldn’t approve of, then I would be concerned about returning with my boat to China,” he said.

    Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur expressed similar sentiment in an interview with Swedish public broadcaster SVT last month, saying the captain of the ship surely “understood that there was something wrong” after dragging an anchor for over 180 kilometers.

    Coming more than a year after the Nord Stream gas pipelines connecting Russia to Germany were damaged by several explosions, the Balticconnector incident raises more concerns over the safety of undersea critical infrastructure and possible measures to protect them from external sabotage. No culprit has been identified for the Nord Stream attack despite an international investigation.

    Adlercreutz said there should be “more protection” of these types of infrastructure, for example in terms of better surveillance of suspicious ships. But there are limitations to what can be done, he added.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/balticconnector-damage-likely-to-be-intentional-finnish-minister-says-china-estonia/

  89. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Eyewitness accounts and photos don't count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we're to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Eyewitness accounts and photos don’t count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we’re to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

    Eyewitness accounts and photos corroborate the wanton Kiev regime violence against civilians in Donbass. Then there’s the Kiev regime with computer game footage used to prop the Ghost of Kiev hoax. Likewise, it’s not off the wall to seek substantiation on Kiev regime claims (they’ve been busted for lying on such matter) of photos which could involve pre-arranged positioning for a certain dramatic effect. The Russian withdrawal from Kherson didn’t result in many casualties among their forces. Far less than the Kiev regime casualties in taking that city.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    Then there’s the Kiev regime with computer game footage used to prop the Ghost of Kiev hoax.
     
    The creator(s) of the "Ghost of Kyiv" meme have more than achieved their goal of forging a meme representing Ukrainian resistance to Russian aggression, if guys like you are still talking about it.

    I'll let you in on a little known secret as to the true identity of the "Ghost of Kyiv", so that you can finally get a good night's sleep:

    https://static.kyivpost.com/storage/2022/05/05/5a33e78c4b6eff2c0b59c6c6d4ff9e46.jpg?w=420&q=75&f=webp

  90. Ukraine has lost up to 300,000 soldiers – ex-Zelensky aide
    https://www.rt.com/russia/588358-ukraine-losses-zelensky-aide/

    Kiev’s refusal to negotiate with Moscow has only caused the country heavy battlefield casualties, Aleksey Arestovich says

    ———————-

    West ‘screwed over’ Ukraine – ex-Zelensky aide
    https://www.rt.com/russia/588047-west-screwed-ukraine-military-aid/

    “Stupidity and corruption” in Kiev paved the way for it, Aleksey Arestovich has said

    ———————-

    Zelensky Admits Counteroffensive Defeat, Hints Mobilisation; Shoigu Ukr Lost 125K Troops 6 months

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail


    ...“Stupidity and corruption” in Kiev paved the way for it, Aleksey Arestovich has said
     
    ...and the fact that Kiev didn't make independent decisions, they were told what to do.

    The casualties have been horrendous, but I am skeptical of the numbers that float around. There will be time for counting when the war is over. The Kiev cheering section went from wild optimism to schadenfreude - "but, Russians have suffered more!!!", highly unlikely - and now they are pining for some sort of a stalemate, a tie they could live with. The problem is that ties are not possible in championships, and this is one.

    One of the oldest rules is that you don't provoke a war with a stronger enemy to please friends who refuse to risk their own skin. None of the things that Kiev would normally want justified going to war with Russia - autonomy, trade, language policies, all of those can be negotiated. What couldn't was Nato in Ukraine - it was obvious that would lead to a war - it was also of no real benefit to Kiev.

    Now they are losing the war that is effectively about whether Ukraine wouldl be in Nato. And Nato sits on the sidelines and cheers the dumb Ukies as they march to slaughter. Arestovich is right this is "stupidity" that we have not seen for generations. How do people like this function? How did they make it this far?

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022. When all else fails they medicate themselves with silly cartoons that mean nothing - and with evasive arguing with straw-men. What a f...-up...

    Replies: @John Johnson

  91. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.
     

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop - their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany, which was able to prop up Austria-Hungary and stop the Brusilov Offensive stone-cold at the Battle of Lake Naroch in 1916:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Naroch_offensive

    (OK, you could quibble that it wasn’t the Brusilov Offensive per se that was stopped by the Germans, but without successful advances by other Russian armies nearby, the Brusilov Offensive was bound to draw to a halt and ultimately fail after inflicting a lot of damage upon Austria-Hungary.)

    But Yeah, it’s quite interesting that in both 1762 and 1917 Russians could quite legitimately claim to have been stabbed in the back by pro-Germans (Tsar Peter III and Vladimir Lenin, respectively), whereas Germany’s claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there’s no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany’s government did not sue for peace.)

    For every war that Russia could have defeated Prussia/Germany and failed to do so due to backstabbing by Russian leaders, Russia had to pay a much higher price for victory in the next war against Germany that Russia participated in. Russia could have defeated Prussia in 1762 and permanently destroyed Prussia as a Great Power with perhaps only 150,000 Russian dead. In WWI, the Russian price for defeating Germany would have probably been in the range of 3 million Russian dead. In WWII, the Soviet price for defeating Germany was 8-11 million Soviet troops dead and also 15+ million Soviet civilians dead. Thanks, Peter III and Lenin, for making Russia bleed much more against Germany in future Germano-Russian wars!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    whereas Germany’s claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there’s no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany’s government did not sue for peace.)

    They were stabbed in the back by politicians that were terrible negotiators and completely capitulated to the demands of France.

    Winning isn't everything if you lose enough men to where you regret fighting in the first place. Germany could have easily killed at least 200k Allied soldiers in a defensive retreat. They didn't have enough men for a major offensive but they could slaughter on the defensive. American morale would have dropped.

    They could have withdrawn to German lines and declared they were only going East. That would have stretched Ally supply lines if they actually decided to invade Germany. I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany. It was supposed to be a quick war of liberation. The French were nearly beaten in 1918. Would the British want to push across Germany? I doubt it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany
     
    In 1917 Russia managed an offensive during which it advanced against Germany (Kerensky offensive). But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  92. @Mikhail
    Ukraine has lost up to 300,000 soldiers – ex-Zelensky aide
    https://www.rt.com/russia/588358-ukraine-losses-zelensky-aide/

    Kiev’s refusal to negotiate with Moscow has only caused the country heavy battlefield casualties, Aleksey Arestovich says

    ----------------------

    West ‘screwed over’ Ukraine – ex-Zelensky aide
    https://www.rt.com/russia/588047-west-screwed-ukraine-military-aid/

    “Stupidity and corruption” in Kiev paved the way for it, Aleksey Arestovich has said

    ----------------------

    Zelensky Admits Counteroffensive Defeat, Hints Mobilisation; Shoigu Ukr Lost 125K Troops 6 months
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDNDTLSPIQ

    Replies: @Beckow

    …“Stupidity and corruption” in Kiev paved the way for it, Aleksey Arestovich has said

    …and the fact that Kiev didn’t make independent decisions, they were told what to do.

    The casualties have been horrendous, but I am skeptical of the numbers that float around. There will be time for counting when the war is over. The Kiev cheering section went from wild optimism to schadenfreude – “but, Russians have suffered more!!!“, highly unlikely – and now they are pining for some sort of a stalemate, a tie they could live with. The problem is that ties are not possible in championships, and this is one.

    One of the oldest rules is that you don’t provoke a war with a stronger enemy to please friends who refuse to risk their own skin. None of the things that Kiev would normally want justified going to war with Russia – autonomy, trade, language policies, all of those can be negotiated. What couldn’t was Nato in Ukraine – it was obvious that would lead to a war – it was also of no real benefit to Kiev.

    Now they are losing the war that is effectively about whether Ukraine wouldl be in Nato. And Nato sits on the sidelines and cheers the dumb Ukies as they march to slaughter. Arestovich is right this is “stupidity” that we have not seen for generations. How do people like this function? How did they make it this far?

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022. When all else fails they medicate themselves with silly cartoons that mean nothing – and with evasive arguing with straw-men. What a f…-up…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022.

    How is that a basic reality when:
    1. They didn't have the votes of France or Germany
    2. They didn't qualify because of Donbas
    3. They didn't apply or hold a referendum
    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate

    Explain for us or state exactly which point is incorrect.

    Replies: @Beckow

  93. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

     

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany, which was able to prop up Austria-Hungary and stop the Brusilov Offensive stone-cold at the Battle of Lake Naroch in 1916:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Naroch_offensive

    (OK, you could quibble that it wasn't the Brusilov Offensive per se that was stopped by the Germans, but without successful advances by other Russian armies nearby, the Brusilov Offensive was bound to draw to a halt and ultimately fail after inflicting a lot of damage upon Austria-Hungary.)

    But Yeah, it's quite interesting that in both 1762 and 1917 Russians could quite legitimately claim to have been stabbed in the back by pro-Germans (Tsar Peter III and Vladimir Lenin, respectively), whereas Germany's claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there's no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany's government did not sue for peace.)

    For every war that Russia could have defeated Prussia/Germany and failed to do so due to backstabbing by Russian leaders, Russia had to pay a much higher price for victory in the next war against Germany that Russia participated in. Russia could have defeated Prussia in 1762 and permanently destroyed Prussia as a Great Power with perhaps only 150,000 Russian dead. In WWI, the Russian price for defeating Germany would have probably been in the range of 3 million Russian dead. In WWII, the Soviet price for defeating Germany was 8-11 million Soviet troops dead and also 15+ million Soviet civilians dead. Thanks, Peter III and Lenin, for making Russia bleed much more against Germany in future Germano-Russian wars!

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    whereas Germany’s claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there’s no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany’s government did not sue for peace.)

    They were stabbed in the back by politicians that were terrible negotiators and completely capitulated to the demands of France.

    Winning isn’t everything if you lose enough men to where you regret fighting in the first place. Germany could have easily killed at least 200k Allied soldiers in a defensive retreat. They didn’t have enough men for a major offensive but they could slaughter on the defensive. American morale would have dropped.

    They could have withdrawn to German lines and declared they were only going East. That would have stretched Ally supply lines if they actually decided to invade Germany. I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany. It was supposed to be a quick war of liberation. The French were nearly beaten in 1918. Would the British want to push across Germany? I doubt it.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.
     
    You'd be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  94. Russians can’t seem to agree on their own history:

  95. @Beckow
    @Mikhail


    ...“Stupidity and corruption” in Kiev paved the way for it, Aleksey Arestovich has said
     
    ...and the fact that Kiev didn't make independent decisions, they were told what to do.

    The casualties have been horrendous, but I am skeptical of the numbers that float around. There will be time for counting when the war is over. The Kiev cheering section went from wild optimism to schadenfreude - "but, Russians have suffered more!!!", highly unlikely - and now they are pining for some sort of a stalemate, a tie they could live with. The problem is that ties are not possible in championships, and this is one.

    One of the oldest rules is that you don't provoke a war with a stronger enemy to please friends who refuse to risk their own skin. None of the things that Kiev would normally want justified going to war with Russia - autonomy, trade, language policies, all of those can be negotiated. What couldn't was Nato in Ukraine - it was obvious that would lead to a war - it was also of no real benefit to Kiev.

    Now they are losing the war that is effectively about whether Ukraine wouldl be in Nato. And Nato sits on the sidelines and cheers the dumb Ukies as they march to slaughter. Arestovich is right this is "stupidity" that we have not seen for generations. How do people like this function? How did they make it this far?

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022. When all else fails they medicate themselves with silly cartoons that mean nothing - and with evasive arguing with straw-men. What a f...-up...

    Replies: @John Johnson

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022.

    How is that a basic reality when:
    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany
    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    3. They didn’t apply or hold a referendum
    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate

    Explain for us or state exactly which point is incorrect.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany
    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal - they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia. Nato was the same - and Moscow had very good reason to believe that was the case. Once you lie in diplomacy - as Merkel-Holland did with Minsk in their own words - people don't trust you. In any case, Russia couldn't take a chance. US wouldn't under similar circumstances.

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule - the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done. Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted "as is". The same simple change could be done any time.

    3. They didn’t apply or hold a referendum
    They f..ing put it in the Ukrainian Constitution!!!! Are you going to deny that is significant? Since 2019 it is in the Kiev Constitution that Ukraine will be in Nato. Case closed.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato. That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border, constant threat to Crimea with its Russian navy. It was 5-7 minute flying time from Moscow. On top of it, Ukies are pretty crazy - unlike some of the Nato states, they were breathing and talking absolute hatred for Russia.

    Today Nato in Ukraine is impossible. Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    Replies: @John Johnson

  96. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    We see the pro-Kiev contributors here willing to lie to themselves and deny basic realities like that Nato was moving to Ukraine pre-2022.

    How is that a basic reality when:
    1. They didn't have the votes of France or Germany
    2. They didn't qualify because of Donbas
    3. They didn't apply or hold a referendum
    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate

    Explain for us or state exactly which point is incorrect.

    Replies: @Beckow

    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany
    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal – they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia. Nato was the same – and Moscow had very good reason to believe that was the case. Once you lie in diplomacy – as Merkel-Holland did with Minsk in their own words – people don’t trust you. In any case, Russia couldn’t take a chance. US wouldn’t under similar circumstances.

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule – the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done. Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted “as is”. The same simple change could be done any time.

    3. They didn’t apply or hold a referendum
    They f..ing put it in the Ukrainian Constitution!!!! Are you going to deny that is significant? Since 2019 it is in the Kiev Constitution that Ukraine will be in Nato. Case closed.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato. That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border, constant threat to Crimea with its Russian navy. It was 5-7 minute flying time from Moscow. On top of it, Ukies are pretty crazy – unlike some of the Nato states, they were breathing and talking absolute hatred for Russia.

    Today Nato in Ukraine is impossible. Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany

     

    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal – they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia.

    You are saying that France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule – the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done.

    Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted “as is”. The same simple change could be done any time.

    We were talking pre-2022. Which NATO chiefs? Are you aware that NATO is not a hierarchy? The rules are very clear in that a country cannot join with a contended border. So you acknowledge the rule exists but would have been ignored? Even if NATO stated that Ukraine did not qualify because of LPR/DPR? So your position here is based on speculation on an organization ignoring its own rules? That would not be the "basic reality" you asserted. That's speculation of a future event without any precedence.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato.

    That's speculation and you haven't denied that they did not qualify. You maintain a baseless opinion that the rules would have been changed for them.

    That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border

    If the plan is missiles then why haven't they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?

    Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    NATO already expanded East into Finland which shares more border with Russia. So no that doesn't mean Russia won. Russia has in fact lost by Putin's stated goals of the invasion. He clearly states that stopping NATO from expanding East is the main the goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Ukraine staying out of NATO would also not be a win. That was the status quo since 2014.

    Tell me why this was not an option:
    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  97. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    whereas Germany’s claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there’s no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany’s government did not sue for peace.)

    They were stabbed in the back by politicians that were terrible negotiators and completely capitulated to the demands of France.

    Winning isn't everything if you lose enough men to where you regret fighting in the first place. Germany could have easily killed at least 200k Allied soldiers in a defensive retreat. They didn't have enough men for a major offensive but they could slaughter on the defensive. American morale would have dropped.

    They could have withdrawn to German lines and declared they were only going East. That would have stretched Ally supply lines if they actually decided to invade Germany. I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany. It was supposed to be a quick war of liberation. The French were nearly beaten in 1918. Would the British want to push across Germany? I doubt it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.

    You’d be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.
     
    You’d be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    I wouldn't doubt it at all. There were outspoken war supporters in 1914.

    However a country's appetite for war is relative to the number of bodies coming home.

    Pushing Germans back to their borders...sure. But Germany was the one suggesting an armistice. I don't think America would have been so keen for a bloody fight to Berlin rather than take an armistice that ends the war. The war was still largely viewed as a battle of flags by Americans. Sure the Germans were anti-democratic but that was already the norm for most of Europe.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  98. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany
    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal - they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia. Nato was the same - and Moscow had very good reason to believe that was the case. Once you lie in diplomacy - as Merkel-Holland did with Minsk in their own words - people don't trust you. In any case, Russia couldn't take a chance. US wouldn't under similar circumstances.

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule - the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done. Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted "as is". The same simple change could be done any time.

    3. They didn’t apply or hold a referendum
    They f..ing put it in the Ukrainian Constitution!!!! Are you going to deny that is significant? Since 2019 it is in the Kiev Constitution that Ukraine will be in Nato. Case closed.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato. That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border, constant threat to Crimea with its Russian navy. It was 5-7 minute flying time from Moscow. On top of it, Ukies are pretty crazy - unlike some of the Nato states, they were breathing and talking absolute hatred for Russia.

    Today Nato in Ukraine is impossible. Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    Replies: @John Johnson

    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany

    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal – they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia.

    You are saying that France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule – the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done.

    Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted “as is”. The same simple change could be done any time.

    We were talking pre-2022. Which NATO chiefs? Are you aware that NATO is not a hierarchy? The rules are very clear in that a country cannot join with a contended border. So you acknowledge the rule exists but would have been ignored? Even if NATO stated that Ukraine did not qualify because of LPR/DPR? So your position here is based on speculation on an organization ignoring its own rules? That would not be the “basic reality” you asserted. That’s speculation of a future event without any precedence.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato.

    That’s speculation and you haven’t denied that they did not qualify. You maintain a baseless opinion that the rules would have been changed for them.

    That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border

    If the plan is missiles then why haven’t they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?

    Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    NATO already expanded East into Finland which shares more border with Russia. So no that doesn’t mean Russia won. Russia has in fact lost by Putin’s stated goals of the invasion. He clearly states that stopping NATO from expanding East is the main the goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Ukraine staying out of NATO would also not be a win. That was the status quo since 2014.

    Tell me why this was not an option:
    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.
     
    Zelensky was pro-NATO before the Russian invasion, but was also willing to consider alternatives:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

    I do agree with AP that the odds of NATO admitting Ukraine in the near future before the Russian invasion were very low. NATO primarily wanted to keep the option open for the more distant future, if this move could ever be done without risking war with Russia, but Russia ultimately ended up attacking Ukraine anyway, so ...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?
     
    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that's the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    the rule exists but would have been ignored
     
    There is no rule that an institution can't adjust or ignore if it wants to. There are a number of examples in Nato as precedence: Turkey and Greece with Cyprus, Spain and UK with Gibraltar...It is trivial, at the right time the rule would be ignored or adjusted.

    missiles then why haven’t they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?
     
    They can be any day, what will you say then? Oops?

    Finland is a small, reasonable country that wants to avoid trouble, the Balts are miniscule. Ukraine is a large country with very long border much further east that can threaten core areas of Russia, Ural-Volga regions. It is simply different, get a map if you don't understand.


    We all know that if Russia had a choice of no Nato in Ukraine, but Finland in Nato - they would take it.


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?
     
    Zelko refused to implement Minsk. Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in - he could veto it but he didn't and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

     

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your "solution". Waiting until "application" is process nothing - it could happen quickly and be irreversible. Russia asked repeatedly for Kiev to remove Nato from the Constitution, that's what the Minsk meetings were about (while Merkel and the French sat there lied and giggled). Zelko, Kiev and Nato publicly refused. The latest time in December 2021.

    So they attacked. As withe all tragedies it was built into the characters of the people involved. You can spend the rest of your time denying it - but that is what happened. Now what? Nato has two choices: watch Kiev lose or escalate possibly to nukes. They should instead negotiate the best possible deal - but it will be a lot worse for Kiev than either Minsk or what they could have had in March 2022.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

  99. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.
     
    You'd be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.

    You’d be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    I wouldn’t doubt it at all. There were outspoken war supporters in 1914.

    However a country’s appetite for war is relative to the number of bodies coming home.

    Pushing Germans back to their borders…sure. But Germany was the one suggesting an armistice. I don’t think America would have been so keen for a bloody fight to Berlin rather than take an armistice that ends the war. The war was still largely viewed as a battle of flags by Americans. Sure the Germans were anti-democratic but that was already the norm for most of Europe.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    If the Germans would have aggressively resisted, then maybe they could get plebiscites in all of their lost territories, other than perhaps Alsace-Lorraine. And maybe the Allies would allow them to unify with Austria much earlier relative to real life. Maybe less severe German reparations to boot, if the Germans are really lucky. That would still be an improvement from a German perspective relative to real life. But such a peace treaty would still be a German defeat and certainly a CP defeat.

  100. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

     

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany, which was able to prop up Austria-Hungary and stop the Brusilov Offensive stone-cold at the Battle of Lake Naroch in 1916:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Naroch_offensive

    (OK, you could quibble that it wasn't the Brusilov Offensive per se that was stopped by the Germans, but without successful advances by other Russian armies nearby, the Brusilov Offensive was bound to draw to a halt and ultimately fail after inflicting a lot of damage upon Austria-Hungary.)

    But Yeah, it's quite interesting that in both 1762 and 1917 Russians could quite legitimately claim to have been stabbed in the back by pro-Germans (Tsar Peter III and Vladimir Lenin, respectively), whereas Germany's claim after 1918 that it was stabbed in the back is mostly full of hot air (there's no indication that morale in the Allied ranks was significantly weakening, and millions of US troops arriving in Europe and eventually entering the fight would have almost certainly ensured eventual Entente/Allied victory in WWI even if the German home front did not collapse and Germany's government did not sue for peace.)

    For every war that Russia could have defeated Prussia/Germany and failed to do so due to backstabbing by Russian leaders, Russia had to pay a much higher price for victory in the next war against Germany that Russia participated in. Russia could have defeated Prussia in 1762 and permanently destroyed Prussia as a Great Power with perhaps only 150,000 Russian dead. In WWI, the Russian price for defeating Germany would have probably been in the range of 3 million Russian dead. In WWII, the Soviet price for defeating Germany was 8-11 million Soviet troops dead and also 15+ million Soviet civilians dead. Thanks, Peter III and Lenin, for making Russia bleed much more against Germany in future Germano-Russian wars!

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany

    In 1917 Russia managed an offensive during which it advanced against Germany (Kerensky offensive). But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.
     
    Defeatist Bolshevik agitation might have also played some role in this, I would suspect.

    Interestingly enough, it might have been smarter for Russia to use Ukrainian troops for this offensive since Ukrainian troops might have been more motivated due to a desire to reunite the Ukrainian lands under free and democratic Russian rule, no? (Galicia and Subcarpathian Ruthenia, along with northern Bukovina, were Ukrainian lands outside of Russian rule back then.) However, this raises the question: Would there have actually been enough Ukrainian troops in the Russian Army to do the offensive primarily/mostly by themselves? Non-Ukrainian troops could have been sent to other parts of the front that did not involve any offensives/active combat.

    That seems like the most optimal strategy for Russia in 1917 if actually possible to pull off: Use Ukrainian troops for offensive actions while using all other troops exclusively for defensive actions. And crack down on the Bolsheviks much, much more aggressively relative to real life. Don't be afraid to give them the 1919 Rosa Luxemburg treatment if at all possible or at least to turn a blind eye while secretly encouraging hyper-nationalistic right-wing Russian forces (whatever Russia's equivalent of the German Freikorps might have been) do this.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, off-topic, but do you agree with me that after supporting Serbia during the July Crisis in 1914, not trying much harder to preserve or even to revive the Three Emperors' League was Russia's biggest mistake in the pre-WWI decades? The French alliance arguably helped Russia secure better and cheaper loans, but was that really a price worth paying for making a devastating World War much more likely? Had Russia remained allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary, even up to the point of making major concessions to Austria-Hungary in the Balkans, there would have been no World War since there is no way in Hell that Germany and Austria-Hungary would go to war against a friendly and conciliatory ally of theirs. It would be absolute political and public/foreign relations suicide for them and would gain them very little!

  101. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany
     
    In 1917 Russia managed an offensive during which it advanced against Germany (Kerensky offensive). But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.

    Defeatist Bolshevik agitation might have also played some role in this, I would suspect.

    Interestingly enough, it might have been smarter for Russia to use Ukrainian troops for this offensive since Ukrainian troops might have been more motivated due to a desire to reunite the Ukrainian lands under free and democratic Russian rule, no? (Galicia and Subcarpathian Ruthenia, along with northern Bukovina, were Ukrainian lands outside of Russian rule back then.) However, this raises the question: Would there have actually been enough Ukrainian troops in the Russian Army to do the offensive primarily/mostly by themselves? Non-Ukrainian troops could have been sent to other parts of the front that did not involve any offensives/active combat.

    That seems like the most optimal strategy for Russia in 1917 if actually possible to pull off: Use Ukrainian troops for offensive actions while using all other troops exclusively for defensive actions. And crack down on the Bolsheviks much, much more aggressively relative to real life. Don’t be afraid to give them the 1919 Rosa Luxemburg treatment if at all possible or at least to turn a blind eye while secretly encouraging hyper-nationalistic right-wing Russian forces (whatever Russia’s equivalent of the German Freikorps might have been) do this.

  102. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    I doubt Wilson would have been able to sell the public on a long war within Germany.
     
    You’d be surprised at the voices within the US that were calling for the unconditional surrender of Germany in late 1918, before the armistice with Germany. Do a US newspaper search for this phrase for late 1918, specifically for the time period before the armistice.

    I wouldn't doubt it at all. There were outspoken war supporters in 1914.

    However a country's appetite for war is relative to the number of bodies coming home.

    Pushing Germans back to their borders...sure. But Germany was the one suggesting an armistice. I don't think America would have been so keen for a bloody fight to Berlin rather than take an armistice that ends the war. The war was still largely viewed as a battle of flags by Americans. Sure the Germans were anti-democratic but that was already the norm for most of Europe.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If the Germans would have aggressively resisted, then maybe they could get plebiscites in all of their lost territories, other than perhaps Alsace-Lorraine. And maybe the Allies would allow them to unify with Austria much earlier relative to real life. Maybe less severe German reparations to boot, if the Germans are really lucky. That would still be an improvement from a German perspective relative to real life. But such a peace treaty would still be a German defeat and certainly a CP defeat.

  103. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany

     

    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal – they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia.

    You are saying that France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule – the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done.

    Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted “as is”. The same simple change could be done any time.

    We were talking pre-2022. Which NATO chiefs? Are you aware that NATO is not a hierarchy? The rules are very clear in that a country cannot join with a contended border. So you acknowledge the rule exists but would have been ignored? Even if NATO stated that Ukraine did not qualify because of LPR/DPR? So your position here is based on speculation on an organization ignoring its own rules? That would not be the "basic reality" you asserted. That's speculation of a future event without any precedence.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato.

    That's speculation and you haven't denied that they did not qualify. You maintain a baseless opinion that the rules would have been changed for them.

    That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border

    If the plan is missiles then why haven't they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?

    Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    NATO already expanded East into Finland which shares more border with Russia. So no that doesn't mean Russia won. Russia has in fact lost by Putin's stated goals of the invasion. He clearly states that stopping NATO from expanding East is the main the goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Ukraine staying out of NATO would also not be a win. That was the status quo since 2014.

    Tell me why this was not an option:
    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.

    Zelensky was pro-NATO before the Russian invasion, but was also willing to consider alternatives:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

    I do agree with AP that the odds of NATO admitting Ukraine in the near future before the Russian invasion were very low. NATO primarily wanted to keep the option open for the more distant future, if this move could ever be done without risking war with Russia, but Russia ultimately ended up attacking Ukraine anyway, so …

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    The problem is that Russia wouldn't have been content with a simple moratorium on NATO expansion. Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.

    Source: https://tass.com/politics/1390383?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

    Replies: @Beckow

  104. @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ

    Good luck establishing a dialogue with Hanania on your favorite topic through this blog lol.

    You don't need Hanania to answer that question though because you have me here and I can perfectly answer for him. Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it. By contrast, sex between trans creatures and anyone other than themselves or consenting adult weirdos is objectively and biologically wrong. Hope this clarifies the issue for you.

    Also, your confession that you sit down to pee was not much of a revelation. I guess we all knew that already. But I don't think you've told us about your underwear preferences: colors, shapes, laces,... anything you feel we should learn about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver

    Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it.

    I couldn’t go that far. If’ it’s a good, you’d want to encourage it. “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” – not a turn I’d like to see society take. “If you can get away with it, good for you” is about my limit here.

    On the other hand, pretending the male student was “traumatized” by the experience is simply clownworld at its best. Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    Policing teenagers free time activities is not the business of society. It's for the poor parents. (All parents of teenagers in 2023 are to be pitied even if they are rolling in Scrooge McDuck money.)

    Accelerate. I heard an interview with Joseph Matheny the other day and he said "I am so old I can remember when Nick Land was a radical left guy".

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” – not a turn I’d like to see society take.
     
    This would be the least of all problems - one can be together with a "horny young stud" even without being a teacher. In fact, it's better not to be a teacher if one is into younger guys, since there is a risk of losing employment (and a bit ethically problematic not to mention embarrassing if found out). Being a teacher is a special calling that should be separated from sex. And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).

    In Europe the legal age is 16+ which is actually very young, boys really develop into real studs only past the age of 18, closer to 19, 20. So that is closer to the age that women might be interested in, not 16 (when they have not yet developed their masculine characteristics to the fullest).

    Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.
     
    If this was only about sex related delusions and "clown world" it wouldn't be the worst (even if annoying and wrong, of course). The problem is the legal aspect and the life consequences which can be dire - when you equate the sexes and ignore their differences and then bring that into the legal system, you're going to eventually not only cause unnecessary pain and hardship, but in the end you're going to wreck society completely.

    Because this is abuse of justice. Throwing an innocent woman, possibly a mom of young children, into something like the US justice system just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, - if a society does that, that society can say "bye bye" to normalcy and justice. The US jails are in terrible condition. The legal fees are insane and if one has a criminal record, they can't even get a job or rent. They can lose their kid (and the child can lose their mother or be needlessly separated from her). To put an innocent woman through that is insane. There is actually a difference in whether you send a woman or a man to prison.

    The solution for this - instead of pretending that there are no differences between the sexes - would be to create a sex segregated education system.

    Replies: @songbird, @silviosilver

    , @Mikel
    @silviosilver


    If’ it’s a good, you’d want to encourage it. “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” –
     
    Well, that is indeed a step too far and it doesn't follow necessarily from what I said. Such a slogan doesn't make a lot of sense either because most women are not really interested in teenage boys (or even in casual sex, I would say). It wouldn't be an efficient promotion of the activity I advocated for.

    However, we're both old enough to know that, in their own way, women also have their desires and fantasies. As I found out in my last teenage year, they're not even immune to the charms of male youth. They are different from us but not so different, fortunately for everybody and for the continuation of our species. So a small subset of them (not necessarily teachers, as LatW said) will always be available to put horny teenagers out their years-long incel misery, when they hardly think about anything but sex but seldom, if ever, get to satisfy their strong impulses. From this perspective, letting that small subset of women act on their desires and obviously not punishing them for a crime with no victim would lead to higher levels of Pareto-efficiency in the social utility function. Or put in more simple terms, more pleasure and less frustration for all parties involved.

    I certainly agree that all that talk of "traumatization", "abuse", etc is total nonsense and you actually only see it in societies that are still struggling with the effects of Puritanism and the Victorian morality rubbish. The rest of the world, at least in the West, has moved on and you don't see those grotesque, clearly misogynistic mugshots of poor female teachers on the first page of certain US newspapers allegedly caught (they haven't even been sentenced yet) having sex with an obviously willing student. It is just physically impossible to have full intercourse with an unwilling male. However, I can think of one way in which a not too scrupulous adult woman can mess up a teenager. Those first times are always difficult. There is a lot of accumulated tension, doubts and ignorance. An adult woman losing her patience with a struggling teenager that can hardly believe what is happening to him could possibly damage him psychologically if she's not a little careful. From that perspective, and probably from any other, it is best that teenagers have sex with their peers. But the big imbalance between male and female willingness in those years is precisely the problem that we are addressing here. And we've all survived our first time anyway, which was seldom too smooth.
  105. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    Yes and No. They were advancing against Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans, but not against Germany
     
    In 1917 Russia managed an offensive during which it advanced against Germany (Kerensky offensive). But, despite advancing, the Russian military fell apart because the Russian soldiers were sick of fighting and dying in some Ukrainian fields.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, off-topic, but do you agree with me that after supporting Serbia during the July Crisis in 1914, not trying much harder to preserve or even to revive the Three Emperors’ League was Russia’s biggest mistake in the pre-WWI decades? The French alliance arguably helped Russia secure better and cheaper loans, but was that really a price worth paying for making a devastating World War much more likely? Had Russia remained allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary, even up to the point of making major concessions to Austria-Hungary in the Balkans, there would have been no World War since there is no way in Hell that Germany and Austria-Hungary would go to war against a friendly and conciliatory ally of theirs. It would be absolute political and public/foreign relations suicide for them and would gain them very little!

    • Agree: AP
  106. Global laughing stock:

    ——————————–

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Mercouri is another foolish kremlin stooge. He even looks like a derelict and talking head, promoting Putler and his ideas of absorbing Central Ukraine and Kyiv into Russia (LOL!) with his bobbing head (does he have some sort of nervous affliction?). You've seen the devastating photos of Marinka, a village of a couple of thousand, that took the mighty Russian army more than a year to "liberate"?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I think this is a transcript of the speech in question. It seems Putin has a mixed message of strong Russian Nationalism along with the unity of the many Russian-speaking peoples.

    I wonder what Ivashka has to say?

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/72863

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  107. @silviosilver
    @Mikel


    Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it.
     
    I couldn't go that far. If' it's a good, you'd want to encourage it. "Become a teacher - bang horny young studs!" - not a turn I'd like to see society take. "If you can get away with it, good for you" is about my limit here.

    On the other hand, pretending the male student was "traumatized" by the experience is simply clownworld at its best. Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Mikel

    Policing teenagers free time activities is not the business of society. It’s for the poor parents. (All parents of teenagers in 2023 are to be pitied even if they are rolling in Scrooge McDuck money.)

    Accelerate. I heard an interview with Joseph Matheny the other day and he said “I am so old I can remember when Nick Land was a radical left guy”.

  108. @silviosilver
    @Mikel


    Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it.
     
    I couldn't go that far. If' it's a good, you'd want to encourage it. "Become a teacher - bang horny young studs!" - not a turn I'd like to see society take. "If you can get away with it, good for you" is about my limit here.

    On the other hand, pretending the male student was "traumatized" by the experience is simply clownworld at its best. Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Mikel

    “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” – not a turn I’d like to see society take.

    This would be the least of all problems – one can be together with a “horny young stud” even without being a teacher. In fact, it’s better not to be a teacher if one is into younger guys, since there is a risk of losing employment (and a bit ethically problematic not to mention embarrassing if found out). Being a teacher is a special calling that should be separated from sex. And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).

    [MORE]

    In Europe the legal age is 16+ which is actually very young, boys really develop into real studs only past the age of 18, closer to 19, 20. So that is closer to the age that women might be interested in, not 16 (when they have not yet developed their masculine characteristics to the fullest).

    Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    If this was only about sex related delusions and “clown world” it wouldn’t be the worst (even if annoying and wrong, of course). The problem is the legal aspect and the life consequences which can be dire – when you equate the sexes and ignore their differences and then bring that into the legal system, you’re going to eventually not only cause unnecessary pain and hardship, but in the end you’re going to wreck society completely.

    Because this is abuse of justice. Throwing an innocent woman, possibly a mom of young children, into something like the US justice system just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, – if a society does that, that society can say “bye bye” to normalcy and justice. The US jails are in terrible condition. The legal fees are insane and if one has a criminal record, they can’t even get a job or rent. They can lose their kid (and the child can lose their mother or be needlessly separated from her). To put an innocent woman through that is insane. There is actually a difference in whether you send a woman or a man to prison.

    The solution for this – instead of pretending that there are no differences between the sexes – would be to create a sex segregated education system.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    IMO, if you are old enough to bang your teacher (14, to be generous) then you probably shouldn't be in school, but doing on the job learning, even if more leisure time, breaks and socialization were built in.

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    BTW, I remember being in school from even in elementary school onwards and the guys would be singing the praises of different teachers and substitutes, even that young. And about half of the time, I didn't see it at all, and was really shocked that they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman.

    And also, if you are a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn't be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    In my state, they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous. If public school is so useful, then why the heck would you need a master's?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mikel, @LatW, @S

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    one can be together with a “horny young stud” even without being a teacher.
     
    Thanks for taking me literally - and bonus points for pointing out the obvious! :) :)

    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go - or rather, continue further down the track it's already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly. And the sense I meant my comment to be in was "don't knock teaching, it's not as boring as you think - think of all the horny young studs you'll have commanding access to."


    just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, – if a society does that, that society can say “bye bye” to normalcy and justice
     
    Oh come off it, in any "normal" school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), it's the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).
     
    It's happened (happens, I guess) to me fairly often (not every time I go out, duh, but enough). (Of course, I agree these are the exceptions that prove the rule.) Boastful personal anecdote time! A couple of months ago I was having a smoke(I'm not smoker, but I enjoy lighting up when I'm drunk, hate it otherwise), a girl asked me for a cigarette for her friend, and it was my last one. She said to her friend, "oh, you can't take his last one!", but I insisted "nah, go on have it - I'm feeling generous." And she then said to her friend, "you owe him a kiss for that!" The girl moved right in and kissed me on the lips, and her friend said loudly "come on, that's not kiss!" And she moved right back in again and tongued me down. I think I asked her something later about what they were doing and she answered "we're on tour." I briefly took it mean they're minor celebrity singers or something - and quickly checked her out to see if I recognized her - but then I figured she meant they're on vacation (she was from NZ, the friend England). They were staying in a hotel nearby, and it all ended quite nicely. :) (Pretty hot slim blonde too! Didn't even ask her how old - in case my age came up - but I'd guess no more than late 20s. That was the most direct approach I've experienced since I was nineteen, when I'd just walked into a club and some girl came up behind me and put her arms around me. After a little while, she turned me around to face her "so you can have a look at me," and sort of ran her hands down her side. (She was good!) Had nothing really close to that direct since then.)

    I'm normally very sociable, strike up convos with people all the time. Tonight, I was ridiculously tongue-tied. There's this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I've seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn't help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I'm making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  109. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.
     
    Zelensky was pro-NATO before the Russian invasion, but was also willing to consider alternatives:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/16/ukraine-may-seek-nuclear-weapons-if-left-out-of-nato-diplomat

    I do agree with AP that the odds of NATO admitting Ukraine in the near future before the Russian invasion were very low. NATO primarily wanted to keep the option open for the more distant future, if this move could ever be done without risking war with Russia, but Russia ultimately ended up attacking Ukraine anyway, so ...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The problem is that Russia wouldn’t have been content with a simple moratorium on NATO expansion. Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.

    Source: https://tass.com/politics/1390383?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.
     
    What does non-permanent mean? Do countries sign these kind of security treaties as here-today-gone tomorrow pieces of paper? You know that is nonsense. What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war - all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn't convince the public or the military to fight.

    It was a fatal mistake by Nato - all they had to do was agree formally to what you guys claim was the case anyway. I think you are wrong and Nato had very specific plan to expand to Ukraine, but let's say they didn't, why wouldn't they say it?

    These arguments look like a belated attempt at cya since Nato expansion was the red line. It has led to the bloody war West is losing: there will be no Nato in Ukraine. Seems like the time for pretending has come...and you guys try every crazy way to deny the obvious or make it hurt less. Fine, but we all know the rhetoric was stupid (if t was only that) and has led to hundreds of thousands dead, mostly Ukrainians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  110. I have realized that I like girls who are in the 7.5 to 8.5 range more than I like 9’s and 10’s.

    I’m currently obsessed with this Russian American girl: https://www.tiktok.com/@babyuki.xo/video/7302232186969820421

    Remember that girl who is married to the English doofus?: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/voIjtJeD0Ao

    Okay, I had forgotten how gorgeous she is. Yeah, she’s still better than the Russian American girl, but they have the same type of not-over-the-top beauty. And the Russian girl is new so right now I’m more into her.

    Women like prime Taylor, prime Gal and prime Kiera are too beautiful. I’m not into that shit. If a girl is any higher than an 8, she is going to need to find someone else because I am not interested.

  111. Larry is right to tie Bucha in with collapsing of the peace talks. Like MH17, these things always happen at the right time.

    https://sonar21.com/the-west-pushed-ukraine-to-war-and-now-it-is-paying-the-butchers-bill/

    Similar tricks to what MI6 did in Syria, to no avail. Bit disingenuous to pin the blame for the collapse on clown Johnson, always desperately of money Johnson was firmly in the American pocket. The EU and German leadership were as keen to see war, and were equally happy to obey their masters in the State Department. I suspect the clown will be the fall guy though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    The guy is another kremlin stooge crackpot and all of his theories are just BS. Sorry to see that you're being duped by this kind of nonsense. :-(

  112. @Mikel
    @LondonBob


    Reading Marinka has finally fallen.
     
    You made me waste my time checking if that's true and of course it isn't.

    https://t.me/s/rybar

    A few hours ago, reports appeared about the complete clearing of Marinka: the reason was a morning video with a Russian flag hoisted over a house on Komsomolskaya Street on the westernmost outskirts of the city .

    However, it is very premature to talk about the capture of Marinka - the enemy still holds positions in the northwestern part. And to completely destroy Ukrainian forces in this area, a lot more work needs to be done.
     
    https://t.me/s/wargonzo

    Today, a lot of information has appeared on the Internet about the complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over Marinka, a strategic point on the Donetsk front. Our troops are indeed making progress, but there is no need to run ahead of the locomotive.

    ...

    From the ground they report a significant advance of our troops along the left outskirts of Marinka, but it is too early to talk about complete control of the Russian Armed Forces over the populated area. The guys are still working, but the work is done conscientiously.
     
    I know that you want the Russians to win the war very much but you need to learn to find good Russian sources of factual information with a proven record of honest assessments. Announcing non-existent victories ahead of time doesn't do any favors to your cause.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Splitting hairs, Marinka has been liberated.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Here's a current day photo of "liberated" Marinka. There's nothing left standing, not one soul lives there. It took Russia one full year to "liberate" Marinka, as you say. No wonder "the world's second greatest army" has not been able to subdue Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa or even Kherson. "Russia is winning the war" Congratulations!

    https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2023/03/untitled-design-13-1.jpg?impolicy=website&width=510&height=356
    Beckow's construction company may now start rebuilding Marinka with new luxury condos. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

  113. I would like to see Bob Iger removed from Disney, just to test A123’s premise that boardroom pressure can turn down woke.

    But I’m not sure he will be removed.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    Rumors keep swirling about.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E9rmJWusNRE

    Their animated feature Wish joins the list of epic bombs this year.

    PEACE 😇

  114. @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Splitting hairs, Marinka has been liberated.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Here’s a current day photo of “liberated” Marinka. There’s nothing left standing, not one soul lives there. It took Russia one full year to “liberate” Marinka, as you say. No wonder “the world’s second greatest army” has not been able to subdue Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa or even Kherson. “Russia is winning the war” Congratulations!
    Beckow’s construction company may now start rebuilding Marinka with new luxury condos. 🙁

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I think you are on the right track with this post.

    Russia does not want Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa to end up like the picture. The military has been explicitly avoiding this pervasive destruction of the major Ukrainian cities for two years. I'am glad that you recognize it now. The Russian military has the ability to achieve these terrible results on a more horrifying scale, but they do not want this.

    Only Zelensky and his outside backers seem to want Ukraine to be leveled and all its sons and daughters ripped to shreds.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    It is a pic from Gaza - you are quite inventive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  115. @LondonBob
    Larry is right to tie Bucha in with collapsing of the peace talks. Like MH17, these things always happen at the right time.

    https://sonar21.com/the-west-pushed-ukraine-to-war-and-now-it-is-paying-the-butchers-bill/

    Similar tricks to what MI6 did in Syria, to no avail. Bit disingenuous to pin the blame for the collapse on clown Johnson, always desperately of money Johnson was firmly in the American pocket. The EU and German leadership were as keen to see war, and were equally happy to obey their masters in the State Department. I suspect the clown will be the fall guy though.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The guy is another kremlin stooge crackpot and all of his theories are just BS. Sorry to see that you’re being duped by this kind of nonsense. 🙁

    • LOL: Mikhail
  116. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” – not a turn I’d like to see society take.
     
    This would be the least of all problems - one can be together with a "horny young stud" even without being a teacher. In fact, it's better not to be a teacher if one is into younger guys, since there is a risk of losing employment (and a bit ethically problematic not to mention embarrassing if found out). Being a teacher is a special calling that should be separated from sex. And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).

    In Europe the legal age is 16+ which is actually very young, boys really develop into real studs only past the age of 18, closer to 19, 20. So that is closer to the age that women might be interested in, not 16 (when they have not yet developed their masculine characteristics to the fullest).

    Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.
     
    If this was only about sex related delusions and "clown world" it wouldn't be the worst (even if annoying and wrong, of course). The problem is the legal aspect and the life consequences which can be dire - when you equate the sexes and ignore their differences and then bring that into the legal system, you're going to eventually not only cause unnecessary pain and hardship, but in the end you're going to wreck society completely.

    Because this is abuse of justice. Throwing an innocent woman, possibly a mom of young children, into something like the US justice system just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, - if a society does that, that society can say "bye bye" to normalcy and justice. The US jails are in terrible condition. The legal fees are insane and if one has a criminal record, they can't even get a job or rent. They can lose their kid (and the child can lose their mother or be needlessly separated from her). To put an innocent woman through that is insane. There is actually a difference in whether you send a woman or a man to prison.

    The solution for this - instead of pretending that there are no differences between the sexes - would be to create a sex segregated education system.

    Replies: @songbird, @silviosilver

    IMO, if you are old enough to

    [MORE]
    bang your teacher (14, to be generous) then you probably shouldn’t be in school, but doing on the job learning, even if more leisure time, breaks and socialization were built in.

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    BTW, I remember being in school from even in elementary school onwards and the guys would be singing the praises of different teachers and substitutes, even that young. And about half of the time, I didn’t see it at all, and was really shocked that they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman.

    And also, if you are a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn’t be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    In my state, they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous. If public school is so useful, then why the heck would you need a master’s?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @songbird

    "they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman"

    Given that most of the boys will probably still be virgins, and they've hit puberty two or three years before, they pretty much are like sailors after a long voyage.

    I can still remember who the good looking female teachers at my high school were, umpteen years on.

    (Lord knows what smartphones and porn have done to young psyches these days as well)

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mikel
    @songbird

    I had a similar experience with an old friend of mine at 14 or 15 years of age. In those times I didn't know any guy around me who was having as much sex as he wanted (or more often any sex at all), except for maybe a couple of drug-addict bastards in my hometown who were incredibly successful with girls and were probably close to that mark. However, this friend had spent his childhood institutionalized in a nunnery after losing his mother and he told me gross stories of kids in the nunnery devising strategies to look under the nuns' habits. I remember I found that very crass. But I guess it was down to a life of isolation with no contact with the opposite sex except for the nuns.

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    Men used to marry, when they were 14.
     
    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?) or maybe somewhere in our wonderful Slavlands.

    In the South, too, they are crazy that way about youths (do you remember that part in the Godfather book where a mother brings her own 12 year old daughter to some mafia boss? I was pretty shocked when I read that, myself a teenager at the time. Maybe it was made up... I hope.)

    But it's not so much that way where I'm from or in Central Europe. Although it may have been different in different eras. Northerns mature slower. Even if it shouldn't be as slow as these days... it's not natural. Actually, 19 is a great age to marry, for both sexes.

    Although they were sent off to war at pretty young ages which is majorly messed up (and which I really hate). Especially in WW1 (but not as young as 14, more like 17-18). I read a story about a 15 year old boy in WW2 who was throwing panzerfaust at Soviet tanks, but he was an outlier. Teenagers could die while guarding military equipment.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days. Although we have the story of Peter Pan, I'm sure there's something to it. :)

    Btw, have you heard about the explosion at the Allegheny Arsenal? You having Irish roots, you might know about this. I was totally shocked when I first read about it, I didn't know there were female civilian victims during the Civil War. And those were mostly Catholic girls, so most likely working class Irish girls. How all these horrible wars are fought at the expense of the young...

    bang your teacher (14, to be generous)
     
    The boy's instinct to "bang" shows earlier than I thought. I was shocked, frankly, it's a bit disturbing even if hilarious (before I became a mother, I thought it only starts at around 13-14). We should protect their innocence. The other day I thought that maybe boys become sexual very early while at the same time their cognitive abilities, impulse control takes longer to get established (up to their 20s), while girls might mature slower sexually, but faster mentally. Girls may have sexual or romantic thoughts quite early, but they are not mentally ready to act out on them, while boys probably are. Just a thought, I might be wrong.

    Boy embryos get miscarried more often, and boy infant mortality is higher, maybe boys are just more volatile as biological beings? Maybe it's the active sex which is also more prone to being discarded? Or more at risk in some ways.

    The testosterone starts appearing in the 10 week of gestation.

    Btw, most young boys are not at all lewd (maybe only among themselves sometimes), there are some very well behaved 18 and even 19 year old virgins out there. The even younger ones are completely pure and innocent. Tbh, I don't know how boys and young men can take all the overly sexualized images in today's world (and even some girls' attire), I would go crazy.

    a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn’t be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.
     
    Well, teachers are a particular type (maybe more "bookish" maybe less sexually oriented on average, maybe more K-selected, to use your language?), but most women in their 20s, even if they are working or studying, are simultaneously partnered up (or at least somewhat looking, they may not make it the focus of their lives, although some do, but they are open to it, so these are not mutually exclusive things). Maybe not all but many. Maybe Gen Z are different, there is a lot of weirdness these days so it might be different for them (but I doubt it).

    they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous.
     
    Well, that's what I was saying - imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete! Come on, man.

    Of course, teachers shouldn't do it (and most female teachers are very well behaved and not that interested, tbh, some are even married), and of course going under 16 would probably be borderline deviant (moms will freak out!), but to equate male and female sexuality is just insane. As I said, I wouldn't care if it were just some woke nonsense, or just another meaningless woke talking point that you can just dismiss as BS, if it didn't have serious repercussions for the woman (and possibly her children).

    A woman is like a network - her energies flow into many other people in the society, other women, children, the elderly. If something bad happens to her, all those people could be affected. A man is more like an island - of course, a man will have relatives, friends, etc., but those men who do go through the justice system are typically anti-social in some way or true deviants. True female deviants are rare.

    Because men are more selfish and have more mental fortitude, they might take jail better than women - for a woman it could be more of a trauma (and her child due to needless separation).

    These differences need to be considered.

    As to needing a master's in pedagogy just to teach in a public school, a lot of what's in those degrees is psychology, actually, it's not that easy to be a teacher, one needs a lot of patience even if the kids are so adorable. They can be quite noisy. There's a reason why not that many men volunteer to teach younger grades - they would get fed up in a few days! Women are more patient than men, that's why among other things they make such good snipers (because most of it is waiting).

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Men used to marry, when they were 14.
     
    That's true.

    Some of the more modern depictions of Renaissance Europe, such as Franco Zeffirelli's 1968 Romeo and Juliet and Trevor Nunn's 1986 Lady Jane have gotten better about showing that.

    Have to heartily recommend watching the second part of the Zeffirrelli clip below featuring the young man singing 'What is a Youth' in front of a rapt audience.

    It's like a painting brought to life :-) ...

    https://youtu.be/Cp-BUn0Asjc?si=hVzhXFACt1U49Rt-

    https://youtu.be/apS2Ij4oq1I?si=_ihas4DpwyMj7nZ-



    'The hunt' from the Lady Jane film which is a pretty cool scene...


    https://youtu.be/L5SFF92HZP4?si=ALS6hy7WS99y2gKy

    Replies: @LatW

  117. @Mikhail
    Global laughing stock:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3NBiQhQxQ

    --------------------------------

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BCZ5y_9BE

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Mercouri is another foolish kremlin stooge. He even looks like a derelict and talking head, promoting Putler and his ideas of absorbing Central Ukraine and Kyiv into Russia (LOL!) with his bobbing head (does he have some sort of nervous affliction?). You’ve seen the devastating photos of Marinka, a village of a couple of thousand, that took the mighty Russian army more than a year to “liberate”?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!

    Replies: @LatW

  118. @Mikhail
    Global laughing stock:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3NBiQhQxQ

    --------------------------------

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7BCZ5y_9BE

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    I think this is a transcript of the speech in question. It seems Putin has a mixed message of strong Russian Nationalism along with the unity of the many Russian-speaking peoples.

    I wonder what Ivashka has to say?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @QCIC

    British nationalism was like that, at least up to the late 60s. For example, Scots and Irish regiments took pride in being distinctive and considered themselves the best fighters in the British Army.

    It's often forgotten how many Irishmen served in WW2, or crossed the sea to work in British war industries.


    "Total figures on Irish volunteers and war workers remain uncertain, but the number of ‘new travel permits’, identity cards and passports issued to men and women in 1940-1945 was in the region of 200,000. To this should be added the 45,000 which the Department of External Affairs estimated went to the UK between September 1939 and the fall of France in June 1940, after which restrictions were imposed. In other words, out of a total population of approximately 2,968,000 (1936 census), over 8 per cent emigrated during the war. This is all the more significant when it is appreciated that those living in agricultural areas and all those under twenty-two years of age were prohibited from leaving the state, except in exceptional circumstances. If those under fourteen and over sixty-five are excluded, the figure rises to over 13 per cent and if we factor in the restrictions on those under the age of twenty-two, the number who travelled may have been well over 15 per cent of the eligible population"
     
    https://www.historyireland.com/the-forgotten-volunteers-of-world-war-ii/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  119. @songbird
    @LatW

    IMO, if you are old enough to bang your teacher (14, to be generous) then you probably shouldn't be in school, but doing on the job learning, even if more leisure time, breaks and socialization were built in.

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    BTW, I remember being in school from even in elementary school onwards and the guys would be singing the praises of different teachers and substitutes, even that young. And about half of the time, I didn't see it at all, and was really shocked that they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman.

    And also, if you are a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn't be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    In my state, they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous. If public school is so useful, then why the heck would you need a master's?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mikel, @LatW, @S

    “they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman”

    Given that most of the boys will probably still be virgins, and they’ve hit puberty two or three years before, they pretty much are like sailors after a long voyage.

    I can still remember who the good looking female teachers at my high school were, umpteen years on.

    (Lord knows what smartphones and porn have done to young psyches these days as well)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Purely in the temperoral context of being a schoolboy (of course), but I think I can safely say that nothing compared to schoolgirls.

    I really wish I had pictures of some of these women that I remember the boys praising in elementary and middle school, but my suspicion is that I never saw an attractive teacher until high school, and, even then, mostly fairly late.

    But I have a lot of funny memories of people saying stuff about various teachers. One of my classmates wrote an obscene song about a teacher - she had gone to school with my brother, and I had heard rude things about her, though she was always very nice to me, and I disliked to hear her spoken of that way.

    One of my funnier memories was being in this very small class. there were three of us in it, including myself. And we would often be in sort of the teachers' lounge area, and one day this very young woman who was like a teacher's aide came in, and the other two guys seemed to be shamelessly and openly oggling her. In a very crowded hallway, one of them later asked me what I thought of her, and I answered truthfully that I hadn't seen her face (as I didn't want to be as rude as the others) which he parried with something very ribald.

    I hadn't really thought of it before, but, at least in elementary and middle school, I think it would be the very r-selected boys who would be drawn to so-so looking older women, just because they have bigger breasts.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  120. @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Here's a current day photo of "liberated" Marinka. There's nothing left standing, not one soul lives there. It took Russia one full year to "liberate" Marinka, as you say. No wonder "the world's second greatest army" has not been able to subdue Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa or even Kherson. "Russia is winning the war" Congratulations!

    https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2023/03/untitled-design-13-1.jpg?impolicy=website&width=510&height=356
    Beckow's construction company may now start rebuilding Marinka with new luxury condos. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    I think you are on the right track with this post.

    Russia does not want Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa to end up like the picture. The military has been explicitly avoiding this pervasive destruction of the major Ukrainian cities for two years. I’am glad that you recognize it now. The Russian military has the ability to achieve these terrible results on a more horrifying scale, but they do not want this.

    Only Zelensky and his outside backers seem to want Ukraine to be leveled and all its sons and daughters ripped to shreds.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    There's no doubt that Putler has tried to take both Kyiv and Kharkiv, and that his troops have been pushed back. I got the impression after listening to Mercouris, that Putler still would like to incorporate "Kyiv, Chernihiv and Pereyeslav" (the original Rus homelands) into his newly reconstituted empire.

    Are you trying to spread some sort of lies that Russian drones and missiles have not been shot into both Kyiv and Kharkiv over the last two years? The only thing minimizing these attempts is that both cities are heavily fortified with the best anti-drone systems. Too many missiles are intercepted and destroyed before they can explode into civilian neighborhoods. Don't waste my time with your baseless nonsense, but come back when you have something intelligent to offer.

    Replies: @QCIC

  121. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Mercouri is another foolish kremlin stooge. He even looks like a derelict and talking head, promoting Putler and his ideas of absorbing Central Ukraine and Kyiv into Russia (LOL!) with his bobbing head (does he have some sort of nervous affliction?). You've seen the devastating photos of Marinka, a village of a couple of thousand, that took the mighty Russian army more than a year to "liberate"?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!
     
    Excuse me, but who are you calling "the Patriarch" here? The ultra-materialist Gundyayev or the deranged neo-Soviet blood thirsty vampire Pynya? Pynya - the butcher of Slavs! May he burn in Hell eternally!

    He will have to mobilize after his "fake" election because the Russians are being turned into a bloody kasha as we speak.

    The majority of Ukrainians and other Eastern Euros despise him. We have our own patriarchs from the past and we have Zaluzhniy. You are completely out of touch with reality - the young and the middle aged have moved on, long ago, it is crazy vampires like Putin who are being held on life support who cannot deal with it and want to raze everything we have built to the ground and drown everyone in blood. A decrepit old vampire in Kremlin lives, his daughter works on some life advancing "science", while he is murdering children in Ukraine, including newborns, at the dawn of their lives - and you are defending this scum. They don't even use smartphones. You are defending a Hitler and you don't even realize it. You're an absolutely disgusting and vile creature yourself.

    Replies: @QCIC

  122. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I think this is a transcript of the speech in question. It seems Putin has a mixed message of strong Russian Nationalism along with the unity of the many Russian-speaking peoples.

    I wonder what Ivashka has to say?

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/72863

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    British nationalism was like that, at least up to the late 60s. For example, Scots and Irish regiments took pride in being distinctive and considered themselves the best fighters in the British Army.

    It’s often forgotten how many Irishmen served in WW2, or crossed the sea to work in British war industries.

    “Total figures on Irish volunteers and war workers remain uncertain, but the number of ‘new travel permits’, identity cards and passports issued to men and women in 1940-1945 was in the region of 200,000. To this should be added the 45,000 which the Department of External Affairs estimated went to the UK between September 1939 and the fall of France in June 1940, after which restrictions were imposed. In other words, out of a total population of approximately 2,968,000 (1936 census), over 8 per cent emigrated during the war. This is all the more significant when it is appreciated that those living in agricultural areas and all those under twenty-two years of age were prohibited from leaving the state, except in exceptional circumstances. If those under fourteen and over sixty-five are excluded, the figure rises to over 13 per cent and if we factor in the restrictions on those under the age of twenty-two, the number who travelled may have been well over 15 per cent of the eligible population”

    https://www.historyireland.com/the-forgotten-volunteers-of-world-war-ii/

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The man who created the proto-CIA was William "Wild Bill" Donovan who first rose to fame in WWI as a (the?) leader of the Fighting Irish regiment.

    https://www.irishamerica.com/2019/05/wild-bill-donovan-irish-american-war-hero-and-superspy/

    One rumor is he turned down a promotion to work behind the lines because he was compelled to stay in the trenches with his men.

  123. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I think you are on the right track with this post.

    Russia does not want Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa to end up like the picture. The military has been explicitly avoiding this pervasive destruction of the major Ukrainian cities for two years. I'am glad that you recognize it now. The Russian military has the ability to achieve these terrible results on a more horrifying scale, but they do not want this.

    Only Zelensky and his outside backers seem to want Ukraine to be leveled and all its sons and daughters ripped to shreds.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There’s no doubt that Putler has tried to take both Kyiv and Kharkiv, and that his troops have been pushed back. I got the impression after listening to Mercouris, that Putler still would like to incorporate “Kyiv, Chernihiv and Pereyeslav” (the original Rus homelands) into his newly reconstituted empire.

    Are you trying to spread some sort of lies that Russian drones and missiles have not been shot into both Kyiv and Kharkiv over the last two years? The only thing minimizing these attempts is that both cities are heavily fortified with the best anti-drone systems. Too many missiles are intercepted and destroyed before they can explode into civilian neighborhoods. Don’t waste my time with your baseless nonsense, but come back when you have something intelligent to offer.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I believe Russia has the ability to take out all major Ukrainian air defenses, though maybe not all at once. The purpose of taking out most or all of Kiev's air defenses is hypothetically either: 1) Drive Kiev to capitulate or 2) Level the city and make it look like your picture of Marinka. Their only goal is the first possibility. The Russian military will continue grinding up lives on both sides in smaller places like Marinka until Kiev is ready to capitulate. Russia will continue to occasionally deliver serious missile strikes with limited civilian casualties to remind sensible Ukrainians that the AFU does not have an answer for a serious Russian attack.

    Remember this is still the SMO, which has been described as a combined arms police action intended to take out NeoNazis, NATO mercenaries and SBU/AFU capabilities. The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don't hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  124. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    The problem is that Russia wouldn't have been content with a simple moratorium on NATO expansion. Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.

    Source: https://tass.com/politics/1390383?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

    Replies: @Beckow

    Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.

    What does non-permanent mean? Do countries sign these kind of security treaties as here-today-gone tomorrow pieces of paper? You know that is nonsense. What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war – all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn’t convince the public or the military to fight.

    It was a fatal mistake by Nato – all they had to do was agree formally to what you guys claim was the case anyway. I think you are wrong and Nato had very specific plan to expand to Ukraine, but let’s say they didn’t, why wouldn’t they say it?

    These arguments look like a belated attempt at cya since Nato expansion was the red line. It has led to the bloody war West is losing: there will be no Nato in Ukraine. Seems like the time for pretending has come…and you guys try every crazy way to deny the obvious or make it hurt less. Fine, but we all know the rhetoric was stupid (if t was only that) and has led to hundreds of thousands dead, mostly Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war – all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn’t convince the public or the military to fight.
     
    AFAIK, Russia would have still been extremely paranoid about Western military cooperation with Ukraine even without the possibility of NATO expansion there. Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine, for instance, which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership. (This is why I don't believe that a Trump victory in 2020 would have prevented the Ukraine War. Even if Trump would have tried pulling the US out of NATO, if he would have tried to compensate for this by giving HIMARS, ATACAMS, et cetera to Ukraine, then this would have only likewise fueled Russian paranoia about US/Western intentions.)

    Also, I'm not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership. After all, Russia still can't be a superpower without Ukraine and just like Anatoly Karlin, a lot of Russians presumably expected the war to be over quickly and for Ukrainians to only offer scattered resistance at best. When you can easily increase your country's total population by 35 million (25 million Ukraine and 10 million Belarus), why not take it? Especially if you will correctly assume that your country can handle the subsequent Western sanctions that will be imposed on it fairly well. Russia has no other realistic ways of rapidly growing its population, after all. Massive non-white immigration is unacceptable to Russian nationalists and Russia won't get super-high quality immigrants anyway since those will prefer to immigrate to the Anglosphere/West instead. And Russians are unwilling to breed even at replacement levels, unlike Israeli Jews. Other than effective anti-aging technology, which we don't know when exactly will be developed, military expansion was perceived as the only realistic way to prevent further significant population decline in Russia over the next several decades.

    Anatoly Karlin was and is very much correct that Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem due to it blowing its 20th century demographic potential as a result of fighting a needless war for Serbia and then being severely brutalized by both Nazis and Communists over the next several decades.

    Replies: @Beckow

  125. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Eyewitness accounts and photos don’t count for anything in your crazy world? Not everybody needs a script approved in Moscow to makeup their minds as to the truth.

    So, we’re to imagine that fleeing Russian troops from the Kherson area conducted funerals for their fallen comrades? The extent of your BS has no limits, all to try and whitewash Putler and his stupid war in Ukraine.

     

    Eyewitness accounts and photos corroborate the wanton Kiev regime violence against civilians in Donbass. Then there's the Kiev regime with computer game footage used to prop the Ghost of Kiev hoax. Likewise, it's not off the wall to seek substantiation on Kiev regime claims (they've been busted for lying on such matter) of photos which could involve pre-arranged positioning for a certain dramatic effect. The Russian withdrawal from Kherson didn't result in many casualties among their forces. Far less than the Kiev regime casualties in taking that city.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Then there’s the Kiev regime with computer game footage used to prop the Ghost of Kiev hoax.

    The creator(s) of the “Ghost of Kyiv” meme have more than achieved their goal of forging a meme representing Ukrainian resistance to Russian aggression, if guys like you are still talking about it.

    I’ll let you in on a little known secret as to the true identity of the “Ghost of Kyiv”, so that you can finally get a good night’s sleep:

    • LOL: Mikhail
  126. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    1. They didn’t have the votes of France or Germany

     

    France-Germany are subservient and would do what they are told. They did it with the Minsk deal – they openly boasted about how they tricked Russia.

    You are saying that France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    2. They didn’t qualify because of Donbas
    It is easy to get around it by adjusting the rule – the internal Nato rules are of no importance when something strategic is being done.

    Nato chiefs have recently openly said that Ukraine should be accepted “as is”. The same simple change could be done any time.

    We were talking pre-2022. Which NATO chiefs? Are you aware that NATO is not a hierarchy? The rules are very clear in that a country cannot join with a contended border. So you acknowledge the rule exists but would have been ignored? Even if NATO stated that Ukraine did not qualify because of LPR/DPR? So your position here is based on speculation on an organization ignoring its own rules? That would not be the "basic reality" you asserted. That's speculation of a future event without any precedence.

    4. They had elected Zelensky who defeated the pro-NATO candidate
    Then Zelko switched to be openly pro-Nato. So what? That is ridiculous as an argument. And you know it.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO before Putin put his troops on the border? Be specific in terms of policy changes.

    Pre-2022 it was only a question of time and process when Ukraine would be in Nato.

    That's speculation and you haven't denied that they did not qualify. You maintain a baseless opinion that the rules would have been changed for them.

    That meant bases and missiles on the Russian border

    If the plan is missiles then why haven't they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?

    Unless the war turns around and Kiev somehow wins, there will be no Nato there. Therefore Russia has already won. Checkmate. (See how easy it was?)

    NATO already expanded East into Finland which shares more border with Russia. So no that doesn't mean Russia won. Russia has in fact lost by Putin's stated goals of the invasion. He clearly states that stopping NATO from expanding East is the main the goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    Ukraine staying out of NATO would also not be a win. That was the status quo since 2014.

    Tell me why this was not an option:
    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that’s the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    the rule exists but would have been ignored

    There is no rule that an institution can’t adjust or ignore if it wants to. There are a number of examples in Nato as precedence: Turkey and Greece with Cyprus, Spain and UK with Gibraltar…It is trivial, at the right time the rule would be ignored or adjusted.

    missiles then why haven’t they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?

    They can be any day, what will you say then? Oops?

    Finland is a small, reasonable country that wants to avoid trouble, the Balts are miniscule. Ukraine is a large country with very long border much further east that can threaten core areas of Russia, Ural-Volga regions. It is simply different, get a map if you don’t understand.

    We all know that if Russia had a choice of no Nato in Ukraine, but Finland in Nato – they would take it.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?

    Zelko refused to implement Minsk. Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in – he could veto it but he didn’t and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your “solution”. Waiting until “application” is process nothing – it could happen quickly and be irreversible. Russia asked repeatedly for Kiev to remove Nato from the Constitution, that’s what the Minsk meetings were about (while Merkel and the French sat there lied and giggled). Zelko, Kiev and Nato publicly refused. The latest time in December 2021.

    So they attacked. As withe all tragedies it was built into the characters of the people involved. You can spend the rest of your time denying it – but that is what happened. Now what? Nato has two choices: watch Kiev lose or escalate possibly to nukes. They should instead negotiate the best possible deal – but it will be a lot worse for Kiev than either Minsk or what they could have had in March 2022.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Have you been able to secure any new contracts to start rebuilding in "liberated" Marinka yet? It looks a lot like Mariupol, and we all know what beautiful luxury condos you've managed to build there.

    https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/marinka-.jpg
    Virgin new territory for Putler's Novo Rossija project, and Beckow's construction company too. Also new territory for kremlinstoogeA123's re-Chritianization efforts. "Drag nach Westin" to Kyiv....

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

     

    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that’s the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    That's simply false. The US and France routinely clash over Gaza and Israel.
    https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210519-tensions-rage-between-france-and-us-at-united-nations-over-conflict-in-middle-east

    The US/UK are consistently unable to get France to vote their way on Israel. They were also unable to pressure France into joining the coalition in Iraq.

    The US does also not control Ukraine as seen by Zelensky's refusal to put the military in defensive mode before the invasion. They could have easily killed 20-30k troops immediately if they had listened to US generals. Ukraine also ignored US advice on Bakhmut. This idea that France or Ukraine is under the control of the US ignores evidence to the contrary. Zelensky has not fought this war as prescribed by the US. That was in fact a huge mistake on his part. The US/UK correctly expected an invasion from Belarus and Zelensky didn't setup artillery to blow the only bridge. It was Zelensky that thought such an act would aggravate Putin and was trying to appease him. They could have easily setup a funnel attack to kill thousands of Russians and stop the invasion from the north. Can provide sources if you would like. Ukraine fortunately predicted which airport the Russians would try to take and shelled it when they landed. But hundreds of APCs and tanks were needlessly allowed in from the Belarus border.

    There is no rule that an institution can’t adjust or ignore if it wants to.

    It's not merely some trivial rule that can be changed. If you have a border contended then at what point does NATO defend against an attack? You also can't join if you are involved in a proxy war. That rule exists for a similar reason. You need a clearly delineated border to defend against. A demarcation point for at which NATO protocols can be enacted. You can't join and then demand that NATO defend a contended border. It's a major requirement that cannot be overlooked.


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?
     
    Zelko refused to implement Minsk.

    The Minsk agreement predates Zelensky. No change in policy from the previous president.

    Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in – he could veto it but he didn’t and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    That was done before he won the election. You can't veto when you don't hold the presidency.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitutional-amendment-on-nato-eu-membership/29779430.html

    Again no change in policy. I asked for an example where he specifically changed a policy after being elected.

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your “solution”. Waiting until “application” is process nothing –

    Doing nothing would have kept both Ukraine and Finland out of NATO.

    They didn't try to send an ultimatum to Ukraine before invading.

    This suggests that the primary motivation was not NATO.

    If the goal is keeping NATO from expanding East then why did Putin say it doesn't matter that Finland joined?

  127. @YetAnotherAnon
    @songbird

    "they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman"

    Given that most of the boys will probably still be virgins, and they've hit puberty two or three years before, they pretty much are like sailors after a long voyage.

    I can still remember who the good looking female teachers at my high school were, umpteen years on.

    (Lord knows what smartphones and porn have done to young psyches these days as well)

    Replies: @songbird

    Purely in the temperoral context of being a schoolboy

    [MORE]
    (of course), but I think I can safely say that nothing compared to schoolgirls.

    I really wish I had pictures of some of these women that I remember the boys praising in elementary and middle school, but my suspicion is that I never saw an attractive teacher until high school, and, even then, mostly fairly late.

    But I have a lot of funny memories of people saying stuff about various teachers. One of my classmates wrote an obscene song about a teacher – she had gone to school with my brother, and I had heard rude things about her, though she was always very nice to me, and I disliked to hear her spoken of that way.

    One of my funnier memories was being in this very small class. there were three of us in it, including myself. And we would often be in sort of the teachers’ lounge area, and one day this very young woman who was like a teacher’s aide came in, and the other two guys seemed to be shamelessly and openly oggling her. In a very crowded hallway, one of them later asked me what I thought of her, and I answered truthfully that I hadn’t seen her face (as I didn’t want to be as rude as the others) which he parried with something very ribald.

    I hadn’t really thought of it before, but, at least in elementary and middle school, I think it would be the very r-selected boys who would be drawn to so-so looking older women, just because they have bigger breasts.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @songbird

    "I think it would be the very r-selected boys who would be drawn to so-so looking older women, just because they have bigger breasts"

    I was and am far from r-selected, but sadly I can recall the breast size of the attractive female teachers, and even some of the less attractive ones. Size didn't equal attraction, though one music teacher was both very pretty and quite pneumatic - she sang the soprano lead in most of our school musicals.

    You are right though that our female classmates were the focus of most attention and desire.

  128. @YetAnotherAnon
    @QCIC

    British nationalism was like that, at least up to the late 60s. For example, Scots and Irish regiments took pride in being distinctive and considered themselves the best fighters in the British Army.

    It's often forgotten how many Irishmen served in WW2, or crossed the sea to work in British war industries.


    "Total figures on Irish volunteers and war workers remain uncertain, but the number of ‘new travel permits’, identity cards and passports issued to men and women in 1940-1945 was in the region of 200,000. To this should be added the 45,000 which the Department of External Affairs estimated went to the UK between September 1939 and the fall of France in June 1940, after which restrictions were imposed. In other words, out of a total population of approximately 2,968,000 (1936 census), over 8 per cent emigrated during the war. This is all the more significant when it is appreciated that those living in agricultural areas and all those under twenty-two years of age were prohibited from leaving the state, except in exceptional circumstances. If those under fourteen and over sixty-five are excluded, the figure rises to over 13 per cent and if we factor in the restrictions on those under the age of twenty-two, the number who travelled may have been well over 15 per cent of the eligible population"
     
    https://www.historyireland.com/the-forgotten-volunteers-of-world-war-ii/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The man who created the proto-CIA was William “Wild Bill” Donovan who first rose to fame in WWI as a (the?) leader of the Fighting Irish regiment.

    https://www.irishamerica.com/2019/05/wild-bill-donovan-irish-american-war-hero-and-superspy/

    One rumor is he turned down a promotion to work behind the lines because he was compelled to stay in the trenches with his men.

  129. Don’t know how practical it would be from the perspective of science,-gathering. But I would really like to see some mission to Mercury that employed elastic-jumping robots that tried to circumnavigate the planet by staying in the twilight zone.

    Mercury’s day = 176 Earth days. And its circumference is a lot smaller. And its gravity is low, so jumps could be high.

    Would be easier nearer the poles – which in some way may be more interesting, as they are thought to have water. But equatorial would be obviously more impressive.

    I think it would be great as a material-science and engineering challenge. Very inspiring, if it were accomplished. Ideally, some sort of competition or race.

  130. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?
     
    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that's the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    the rule exists but would have been ignored
     
    There is no rule that an institution can't adjust or ignore if it wants to. There are a number of examples in Nato as precedence: Turkey and Greece with Cyprus, Spain and UK with Gibraltar...It is trivial, at the right time the rule would be ignored or adjusted.

    missiles then why haven’t they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?
     
    They can be any day, what will you say then? Oops?

    Finland is a small, reasonable country that wants to avoid trouble, the Balts are miniscule. Ukraine is a large country with very long border much further east that can threaten core areas of Russia, Ural-Volga regions. It is simply different, get a map if you don't understand.


    We all know that if Russia had a choice of no Nato in Ukraine, but Finland in Nato - they would take it.


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?
     
    Zelko refused to implement Minsk. Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in - he could veto it but he didn't and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

     

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your "solution". Waiting until "application" is process nothing - it could happen quickly and be irreversible. Russia asked repeatedly for Kiev to remove Nato from the Constitution, that's what the Minsk meetings were about (while Merkel and the French sat there lied and giggled). Zelko, Kiev and Nato publicly refused. The latest time in December 2021.

    So they attacked. As withe all tragedies it was built into the characters of the people involved. You can spend the rest of your time denying it - but that is what happened. Now what? Nato has two choices: watch Kiev lose or escalate possibly to nukes. They should instead negotiate the best possible deal - but it will be a lot worse for Kiev than either Minsk or what they could have had in March 2022.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Have you been able to secure any new contracts to start rebuilding in “liberated” Marinka yet? It looks a lot like Mariupol, and we all know what beautiful luxury condos you’ve managed to build there.


    Virgin new territory for Putler’s Novo Rossija project, and Beckow’s construction company too. Also new territory for kremlinstoogeA123’s re-Chritianization efforts. “Drag nach Westin” to Kyiv….

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Good, gallows' humor, you are overcoming your grief...:)

    I don't do business eastwards, people there are desperate, too much drama. Real estate is driven by location, weather and legal environment. The location is great, close to the sea, it has bearable weather - better than Phoenix. If there is a decent legal framework, it will be a good buy with a big upside. You have to be patient. It is like investing in Prague in the late 90's - by 2010 you would triple your money.

    The best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets. But sell when the lame clowns show up to govern - like Biden, Scholtz or that Indian guy in UK. It is a sign from the heavens that the system is exhausted and needs to adjust - another word for collapsing real values. First people rush to the safety of real estate (or dollars), it is a sign of the coming panic. Phoenix is also not the most attractive place in the long run: horrible weather, poor infrastructure, basically a Mexican city. If not today, definitely by 2040.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  131. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    There's no doubt that Putler has tried to take both Kyiv and Kharkiv, and that his troops have been pushed back. I got the impression after listening to Mercouris, that Putler still would like to incorporate "Kyiv, Chernihiv and Pereyeslav" (the original Rus homelands) into his newly reconstituted empire.

    Are you trying to spread some sort of lies that Russian drones and missiles have not been shot into both Kyiv and Kharkiv over the last two years? The only thing minimizing these attempts is that both cities are heavily fortified with the best anti-drone systems. Too many missiles are intercepted and destroyed before they can explode into civilian neighborhoods. Don't waste my time with your baseless nonsense, but come back when you have something intelligent to offer.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I believe Russia has the ability to take out all major Ukrainian air defenses, though maybe not all at once. The purpose of taking out most or all of Kiev’s air defenses is hypothetically either: 1) Drive Kiev to capitulate or 2) Level the city and make it look like your picture of Marinka. Their only goal is the first possibility. The Russian military will continue grinding up lives on both sides in smaller places like Marinka until Kiev is ready to capitulate. Russia will continue to occasionally deliver serious missile strikes with limited civilian casualties to remind sensible Ukrainians that the AFU does not have an answer for a serious Russian attack.

    Remember this is still the SMO, which has been described as a combined arms police action intended to take out NeoNazis, NATO mercenaries and SBU/AFU capabilities. The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!
     
    You're very much full of you know what, QCIC. I just spoke with a relative of mine that lives in Kyiv yesterday, and I have others too that live in other areas of Central Ukraine that I regularly communicate with. None of them want the Ukrainian armed forces to stop defending their homeland. Capitulate and become a Russian satellite again? All say no to a one. You don't need to rely on the media to know what's going on within Ukraine. You can just pickup your phone and talk to somebody that lives there. You're the one who is relying on the media to get all of your information, not me.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @QCIC


    Remember this is still the SMO
     
    With 100,000s of soldiers, 100,000+ KIA, etc.

    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.

    The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this
     
    We don't hear of this because it is a ridiculous fantasy.

    But it's funny that you believe that you know better than people actually in Ukraine. What you are trying to do is to explain to New Yorkers or their relatives that 9-11 never happened.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  132. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I believe Russia has the ability to take out all major Ukrainian air defenses, though maybe not all at once. The purpose of taking out most or all of Kiev's air defenses is hypothetically either: 1) Drive Kiev to capitulate or 2) Level the city and make it look like your picture of Marinka. Their only goal is the first possibility. The Russian military will continue grinding up lives on both sides in smaller places like Marinka until Kiev is ready to capitulate. Russia will continue to occasionally deliver serious missile strikes with limited civilian casualties to remind sensible Ukrainians that the AFU does not have an answer for a serious Russian attack.

    Remember this is still the SMO, which has been described as a combined arms police action intended to take out NeoNazis, NATO mercenaries and SBU/AFU capabilities. The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don't hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!

    You’re very much full of you know what, QCIC. I just spoke with a relative of mine that lives in Kyiv yesterday, and I have others too that live in other areas of Central Ukraine that I regularly communicate with. None of them want the Ukrainian armed forces to stop defending their homeland. Capitulate and become a Russian satellite again? All say no to a one. You don’t need to rely on the media to know what’s going on within Ukraine. You can just pickup your phone and talk to somebody that lives there. You’re the one who is relying on the media to get all of your information, not me.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    My information for these conversations is mostly static, based on long-standing truths about human nature and decades old trends of both Russian and Western military technological and economic capabilities.

    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don't have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say, can they see a different future?

    Maybe you would like to visit them and want to keep them alive. What are the minimum acceptable, though painful, peace terms they would be willing to at least discuss at the moment? This is not poker, so why not just say what is the actual minimum they would accept? Not what you or other armchair warriors would accept, but what the mother of one shredded son, a horribly burned brother and a daughter who lost an eye is willing to accept. These human nightmares make some people hard, especially in words since it is easier to scream and rage than to cry. What if you give them a chance to cry and then ask what is the minimum they could live with to end this?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  133. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!
     
    You're very much full of you know what, QCIC. I just spoke with a relative of mine that lives in Kyiv yesterday, and I have others too that live in other areas of Central Ukraine that I regularly communicate with. None of them want the Ukrainian armed forces to stop defending their homeland. Capitulate and become a Russian satellite again? All say no to a one. You don't need to rely on the media to know what's going on within Ukraine. You can just pickup your phone and talk to somebody that lives there. You're the one who is relying on the media to get all of your information, not me.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My information for these conversations is mostly static, based on long-standing truths about human nature and decades old trends of both Russian and Western military technological and economic capabilities.

    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don’t have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say, can they see a different future?

    Maybe you would like to visit them and want to keep them alive. What are the minimum acceptable, though painful, peace terms they would be willing to at least discuss at the moment? This is not poker, so why not just say what is the actual minimum they would accept? Not what you or other armchair warriors would accept, but what the mother of one shredded son, a horribly burned brother and a daughter who lost an eye is willing to accept. These human nightmares make some people hard, especially in words since it is easier to scream and rage than to cry. What if you give them a chance to cry and then ask what is the minimum they could live with to end this?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Why don't you, oh wise one, dispense your truths and wisdom to the side that is creating this misery for the Ukrainian nation in the first place? Putler has megalomaniacal dreams of going down in history as a second Peter the Great in reconstituting the Russian empire, will stop at nothing in trying to do so, disregards the hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian lives that needlessly fall in his fruitless efforts in doing so, and fools like you are going to try an lecture me on how to conduct myself in conversations with my family members that live in Ukraine that understand the realities much better than either you or I? You've barked up the wrong tree here with your misplaced efforts of fake sympathy.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @QCIC


    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don’t have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say
     
    They say they will send their women and children westwards and fight in the streets if the Russians come to the cities. Wouldn't you do the same if your country was invaded? Or are you a traitor or coward and assume that others are like you?

    You realize that Ukrainians were fighting in February and March 2022 before Western arms came to Ukraine in significant numbers. Regular people - my nephews from a village were manning blockposts out in the oblast, fortunately the Russians stopped a few dozen km from their village.

    The only thing that cutting Ukraine off from western military aid will accomplish its it will turn things much more bloody because it will move the front into the cities. How bloodthirsty you must be to want such a scenario.

    There were people just like you protesting about American military aid to Britain during World War II. It was prolonging the war, they were for peace, they said.

    Replies: @QCIC

  134. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I believe Russia has the ability to take out all major Ukrainian air defenses, though maybe not all at once. The purpose of taking out most or all of Kiev's air defenses is hypothetically either: 1) Drive Kiev to capitulate or 2) Level the city and make it look like your picture of Marinka. Their only goal is the first possibility. The Russian military will continue grinding up lives on both sides in smaller places like Marinka until Kiev is ready to capitulate. Russia will continue to occasionally deliver serious missile strikes with limited civilian casualties to remind sensible Ukrainians that the AFU does not have an answer for a serious Russian attack.

    Remember this is still the SMO, which has been described as a combined arms police action intended to take out NeoNazis, NATO mercenaries and SBU/AFU capabilities. The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don't hear of this because the thugs run the media and the people who might be in a position to pass on important anecdotes do not want their friends and relatives to be tortured to death as a warning to others!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Remember this is still the SMO

    With 100,000s of soldiers, 100,000+ KIA, etc.

    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.

    The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this

    We don’t hear of this because it is a ridiculous fantasy.

    But it’s funny that you believe that you know better than people actually in Ukraine. What you are trying to do is to explain to New Yorkers or their relatives that 9-11 never happened.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is "special" because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.

    I don't see any parallel to the Iraq wars except that a lot of people died for no good reason.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them. A lot of bad things go on in the USA and Europe and a great many people are clueless about the actual events and especially the causes.

    The Twin Towers came down on 911 but a clear explanation of the facts is still lacking.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.
     
    Iraq (and Afghanistan), to the US's credit, also did not involve a draft of Americans. Americans could try bringing democracy to those places without drafting their own people, and actually succeeded in Iraq, albeit in a flawed way (Iraq is still very corrupt and dysfunctional in spite of its democracy, after all).
  135. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Have you been able to secure any new contracts to start rebuilding in "liberated" Marinka yet? It looks a lot like Mariupol, and we all know what beautiful luxury condos you've managed to build there.

    https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/marinka-.jpg
    Virgin new territory for Putler's Novo Rossija project, and Beckow's construction company too. Also new territory for kremlinstoogeA123's re-Chritianization efforts. "Drag nach Westin" to Kyiv....

    Replies: @Beckow

    Good, gallows’ humor, you are overcoming your grief…:)

    I don’t do business eastwards, people there are desperate, too much drama. Real estate is driven by location, weather and legal environment. The location is great, close to the sea, it has bearable weather – better than Phoenix. If there is a decent legal framework, it will be a good buy with a big upside. You have to be patient. It is like investing in Prague in the late 90’s – by 2010 you would triple your money.

    The best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets. But sell when the lame clowns show up to govern – like Biden, Scholtz or that Indian guy in UK. It is a sign from the heavens that the system is exhausted and needs to adjust – another word for collapsing real values. First people rush to the safety of real estate (or dollars), it is a sign of the coming panic. Phoenix is also not the most attractive place in the long run: horrible weather, poor infrastructure, basically a Mexican city. If not today, definitely by 2040.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Phoenix sounds like not the most attractive place in the long run.
     
    Since you don't understand the economics of real estate investing in Phoenix, I suspect that your other advice is faulty too. I've tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too), but because of the climate, for now, I'm staying put. Today, I'm looking forward to a high of 66 farenheight slowly rising to 78 by Wednesday, all sunny weather. Looks like its going to reach 35 today in Bratislava, with much of the same for the next 10 days: rain/snow/windy/cloudy - have fun! :-)

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  136. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    My information for these conversations is mostly static, based on long-standing truths about human nature and decades old trends of both Russian and Western military technological and economic capabilities.

    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don't have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say, can they see a different future?

    Maybe you would like to visit them and want to keep them alive. What are the minimum acceptable, though painful, peace terms they would be willing to at least discuss at the moment? This is not poker, so why not just say what is the actual minimum they would accept? Not what you or other armchair warriors would accept, but what the mother of one shredded son, a horribly burned brother and a daughter who lost an eye is willing to accept. These human nightmares make some people hard, especially in words since it is easier to scream and rage than to cry. What if you give them a chance to cry and then ask what is the minimum they could live with to end this?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Why don’t you, oh wise one, dispense your truths and wisdom to the side that is creating this misery for the Ukrainian nation in the first place? Putler has megalomaniacal dreams of going down in history as a second Peter the Great in reconstituting the Russian empire, will stop at nothing in trying to do so, disregards the hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian lives that needlessly fall in his fruitless efforts in doing so, and fools like you are going to try an lecture me on how to conduct myself in conversations with my family members that live in Ukraine that understand the realities much better than either you or I? You’ve barked up the wrong tree here with your misplaced efforts of fake sympathy.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    My arguments are an attempt to reduce the chance of nuclear war and World War 3. Since I see you as intentionally and unabashedly promoting such a war my sympathy for you is extremely limited. I do try to appeal to your reason by way of your self-interest.

    I think the West set two courses for Russia. She is either supposed to roll over and die or fight to the death. The West believed Russia would attempt to fight and be crushed by a combination of economic, political and military pressure. This was stupid on all levels because it leads directly to nuclear conflict. Unfortunately the USA has made it clear that it embraces the idea of nuclear conflict by dropping out of nuclear arms control treaties.

    Based on your inability to acknowledge simple big-picture facts related to the cold war and superpower conflict as well as millennia of proxy war and coup history, I can easily believe you are confused in your dialog with actual Ukrainian citizens. Moreover I assume that you do not contact those Ukrainians who would disagree with you.

  137. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    My information for these conversations is mostly static, based on long-standing truths about human nature and decades old trends of both Russian and Western military technological and economic capabilities.

    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don't have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say, can they see a different future?

    Maybe you would like to visit them and want to keep them alive. What are the minimum acceptable, though painful, peace terms they would be willing to at least discuss at the moment? This is not poker, so why not just say what is the actual minimum they would accept? Not what you or other armchair warriors would accept, but what the mother of one shredded son, a horribly burned brother and a daughter who lost an eye is willing to accept. These human nightmares make some people hard, especially in words since it is easier to scream and rage than to cry. What if you give them a chance to cry and then ask what is the minimum they could live with to end this?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don’t have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say

    They say they will send their women and children westwards and fight in the streets if the Russians come to the cities. Wouldn’t you do the same if your country was invaded? Or are you a traitor or coward and assume that others are like you?

    You realize that Ukrainians were fighting in February and March 2022 before Western arms came to Ukraine in significant numbers. Regular people – my nephews from a village were manning blockposts out in the oblast, fortunately the Russians stopped a few dozen km from their village.

    The only thing that cutting Ukraine off from western military aid will accomplish its it will turn things much more bloody because it will move the front into the cities. How bloodthirsty you must be to want such a scenario.

    There were people just like you protesting about American military aid to Britain during World War II. It was prolonging the war, they were for peace, they said.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself. Probably I get shot in the the head by a friendly neighbor who then gets bombed by a drone because he was too stupid to listen to reason.

    I think it is pitiful how so many people like to relive the old wars. I wish more would look at the situation today as carefully as they read the musty old history books. Hopefully then they can try to unravel the lies of today and understand the forces at work.

    You may be right. Perhaps all the people who had the ability to stop the situation in Ukraine or even understand it left long ago or are already dead. So the remaining people will simply fight until they can fight no more. If this is true they may be in for a harsh winter.

    Replies: @AP

  138. What does GR (or anyone) know about reading old, weathered inscriptions?

    I recall hearing that they use a special camera to capture Neolithic artwork in Ireland on exposed stones.

    I was wondering about that. Is it merely to get a camera image, or does it reveal details that the eye can’t see?

    I am really interested in a weathered tombstone from the 18th century, which seems to be of modest historical import, and I am wondering if there is any way I could get some researchers to give it a super-scan to read the illegible parts of it, or whether such technology doesn’t really exist.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird


    I am really interested in a weathered tombstone from the 18th century, which seems to be of modest historical import, and I am wondering if there is any way I could get some researchers to give it a super-scan to read the illegible parts of it, or whether such technology doesn’t really exist.
     
    1. Some imaging processing techniques are incredible for some problems;
    2. fake some library report that some negro was buried there in the 18th century--you will get volunteers from every single university that hears about it. Even after you tell them it's fake they will say you are lying about the faking part.

    This book will give you an idea of what they can do. Do not buy a new one. It used to be very popular and for sure you can get a previous edition cheap.

    https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Image-Processing-Scientific-Inside/dp/0471767778
  139. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Good, gallows' humor, you are overcoming your grief...:)

    I don't do business eastwards, people there are desperate, too much drama. Real estate is driven by location, weather and legal environment. The location is great, close to the sea, it has bearable weather - better than Phoenix. If there is a decent legal framework, it will be a good buy with a big upside. You have to be patient. It is like investing in Prague in the late 90's - by 2010 you would triple your money.

    The best time to buy is when there is blood in the streets. But sell when the lame clowns show up to govern - like Biden, Scholtz or that Indian guy in UK. It is a sign from the heavens that the system is exhausted and needs to adjust - another word for collapsing real values. First people rush to the safety of real estate (or dollars), it is a sign of the coming panic. Phoenix is also not the most attractive place in the long run: horrible weather, poor infrastructure, basically a Mexican city. If not today, definitely by 2040.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Phoenix sounds like not the most attractive place in the long run.

    Since you don’t understand the economics of real estate investing in Phoenix, I suspect that your other advice is faulty too. I’ve tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too), but because of the climate, for now, I’m staying put. Today, I’m looking forward to a high of 66 farenheight slowly rising to 78 by Wednesday, all sunny weather. Looks like its going to reach 35 today in Bratislava, with much of the same for the next 10 days: rain/snow/windy/cloudy – have fun! 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Sour grapes...you should see the Christmas markets and the dancing girls, you have nothing like that in Phoenix..:)

    "I’ve tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too)"

    You are looking back, I am looking forward. Phoenix has tripled, but it won't in the future in real terms, nor will Prague. It is not possible, math properties of large numbers.

    Will Phoenix go down? My guess is that in real terms it will with the real rate of inflation. Eventually it will be an oversized "Mexican" city - look at how they do with real estate. But you will be fine, elderly bought early and this will not impact them.

    Ask yourself if the young buying today will be so lucky. That matters a lot, flat real estate changes societies, it leads to instability, lack of disposable wealth. You boomers will be ok, unless the young decide to settle scores on the old and weak. They could do it - especially since they are mostly of different ethnic background. But I wish you good luck...

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    He probably doesn't understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Climate is a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anybody would like rainy weather in the upper 30s or lower 40s. But I would easily trade snowy 20s and low 30s for 6 months of southern Arizona summers, which are basically unbearable for me. Winter is beautiful, if it isn't too harsh.

    That's why I am not living in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas probably has the best climate in the desert Southwest: unbearably hot for only 4 months a year (mid-May to mid-September). Then pleasant summer weather for 5 months a year, pleasant mild autumnal weather for 2 months a year, and about a month's worth of unpleasantly cold autumnal weather in January-February. Almost never rains, but windy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

  140. @silviosilver
    @Mikel


    Sex between horny male teens and their female teachers is good. In a just world there would be much more of it.
     
    I couldn't go that far. If' it's a good, you'd want to encourage it. "Become a teacher - bang horny young studs!" - not a turn I'd like to see society take. "If you can get away with it, good for you" is about my limit here.

    On the other hand, pretending the male student was "traumatized" by the experience is simply clownworld at its best. Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Mikel

    If’ it’s a good, you’d want to encourage it. “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” –

    Well, that is indeed a step too far and it doesn’t follow necessarily from what I said. Such a slogan doesn’t make a lot of sense either because most women are not really interested in teenage boys (or even in casual sex, I would say). It wouldn’t be an efficient promotion of the activity I advocated for.

    However, we’re both old enough to know that, in their own way, women also have their desires and fantasies. As I found out in my last teenage year, they’re not even immune to the charms of male youth. They are different from us but not so different, fortunately for everybody and for the continuation of our species. So a small subset of them (not necessarily teachers, as LatW said) will always be available to put horny teenagers out their years-long incel misery, when they hardly think about anything but sex but seldom, if ever, get to satisfy their strong impulses. From this perspective, letting that small subset of women act on their desires and obviously not punishing them for a crime with no victim would lead to higher levels of Pareto-efficiency in the social utility function. Or put in more simple terms, more pleasure and less frustration for all parties involved.

    I certainly agree that all that talk of “traumatization”, “abuse”, etc is total nonsense and you actually only see it in societies that are still struggling with the effects of Puritanism and the Victorian morality rubbish. The rest of the world, at least in the West, has moved on and you don’t see those grotesque, clearly misogynistic mugshots of poor female teachers on the first page of certain US newspapers allegedly caught (they haven’t even been sentenced yet) having sex with an obviously willing student. It is just physically impossible to have full intercourse with an unwilling male. However, I can think of one way in which a not too scrupulous adult woman can mess up a teenager. Those first times are always difficult. There is a lot of accumulated tension, doubts and ignorance. An adult woman losing her patience with a struggling teenager that can hardly believe what is happening to him could possibly damage him psychologically if she’s not a little careful. From that perspective, and probably from any other, it is best that teenagers have sex with their peers. But the big imbalance between male and female willingness in those years is precisely the problem that we are addressing here. And we’ve all survived our first time anyway, which was seldom too smooth.

  141. @songbird
    I would like to see Bob Iger removed from Disney, just to test A123's premise that boardroom pressure can turn down woke.

    But I'm not sure he will be removed.

    Replies: @A123

    Rumors keep swirling about.

    Their animated feature Wish joins the list of epic bombs this year.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: songbird
  142. Am honestly surprised that any sort of expat tranny would have national, or rather pan-national feelings.

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  143. @songbird
    @LatW

    IMO, if you are old enough to bang your teacher (14, to be generous) then you probably shouldn't be in school, but doing on the job learning, even if more leisure time, breaks and socialization were built in.

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    BTW, I remember being in school from even in elementary school onwards and the guys would be singing the praises of different teachers and substitutes, even that young. And about half of the time, I didn't see it at all, and was really shocked that they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman.

    And also, if you are a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn't be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    In my state, they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous. If public school is so useful, then why the heck would you need a master's?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mikel, @LatW, @S

    I had a similar experience with an old friend of mine at 14 or 15 years of age. In those times I didn’t know any guy around me who was having as much sex as he wanted (or more often any sex at all), except for maybe a couple of drug-addict bastards in my hometown who were incredibly successful with girls and were probably close to that mark. However, this friend had spent his childhood institutionalized in a nunnery after losing his mother and he told me gross stories of kids in the nunnery devising strategies to look under the nuns’ habits. I remember I found that very crass. But I guess it was down to a life of isolation with no contact with the opposite sex except for the nuns.

  144. Ukraine removes Kissinger from ‘kill list’
    https://www.rt.com/news/588393-ukraine-kissinger-peacemaker-database/

    The veteran US diplomat, who died on Wednesday, had been added to the ‘Peacemaker’ database for allegedly spreading anti-Kiev narratives

    ————————–

    White House admits time running out for Ukraine cash
    https://www.rt.com/news/588387-white-house-ukraine-aid/

    Washington needs to secure additional funding before it gets “really hard” to continue propping up Kiev, John Kirby has admitted

    The likes of Lindsey Graham have admitted to fighting a parasitic proxy war by fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    Had the internationally brokered 2014 power sharing arrangement for Ukraine been honored, there probably wouldn’t have been a need for the internationally brokered Minsk Accords. Had the Minsk Accords been honored, there wouldn’t have been the 2/24/22 special military operation, which isn’t as indiscriminate towards civilians as the Israeli assault on Gaza. There’s good reason to believe that the SMO could’ve ended were it not for the mischief making of Boris Johnson (among others) and the Kiev regime’s foolish decision to go along with him and his likes.

    The record clearly shows that Russia gave peace a chance much more so than some not so distant US military actions.

    The Kiev regime is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

  145. @AP
    @QCIC


    Remember this is still the SMO
     
    With 100,000s of soldiers, 100,000+ KIA, etc.

    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.

    The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this
     
    We don't hear of this because it is a ridiculous fantasy.

    But it's funny that you believe that you know better than people actually in Ukraine. What you are trying to do is to explain to New Yorkers or their relatives that 9-11 never happened.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.

    I don’t see any parallel to the Iraq wars except that a lot of people died for no good reason.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them. A lot of bad things go on in the USA and Europe and a great many people are clueless about the actual events and especially the causes.

    The Twin Towers came down on 911 but a clear explanation of the facts is still lacking.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy.
     
    It is common for invaders and aggressors to blame "outside forces" to deflect from their aggression, and to lie about the danger that the invaded country presents to their own country. Hitler blamed France for invading Eastern Europe. Bush claimed Iraq was going to get WMDs and present a clear danger to the USA if it wasn't invaded and regime-changed first. These are typical lies told by invaders and their supporters. People who are not ignorant of history should be able to spot such excuses easily.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them
     
    Sure you don't, and I won't doxx myself to prove anything like that. Strong support for the war effort, strong anger at the invader, and spirited fighting by masses of soldiers are further evidence that Ukrainians, who know what is going on in their own country, have a different attitude towards this invasion that you, who knows nothing and who stuffs his mind with misinformation by the Russian invader and its useful idiots in the West.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikhail
    @QCIC


    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.
     
    Russian military action has been considerably limited from what it otherwise could be.
  146. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Why don't you, oh wise one, dispense your truths and wisdom to the side that is creating this misery for the Ukrainian nation in the first place? Putler has megalomaniacal dreams of going down in history as a second Peter the Great in reconstituting the Russian empire, will stop at nothing in trying to do so, disregards the hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian lives that needlessly fall in his fruitless efforts in doing so, and fools like you are going to try an lecture me on how to conduct myself in conversations with my family members that live in Ukraine that understand the realities much better than either you or I? You've barked up the wrong tree here with your misplaced efforts of fake sympathy.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My arguments are an attempt to reduce the chance of nuclear war and World War 3. Since I see you as intentionally and unabashedly promoting such a war my sympathy for you is extremely limited. I do try to appeal to your reason by way of your self-interest.

    I think the West set two courses for Russia. She is either supposed to roll over and die or fight to the death. The West believed Russia would attempt to fight and be crushed by a combination of economic, political and military pressure. This was stupid on all levels because it leads directly to nuclear conflict. Unfortunately the USA has made it clear that it embraces the idea of nuclear conflict by dropping out of nuclear arms control treaties.

    Based on your inability to acknowledge simple big-picture facts related to the cold war and superpower conflict as well as millennia of proxy war and coup history, I can easily believe you are confused in your dialog with actual Ukrainian citizens. Moreover I assume that you do not contact those Ukrainians who would disagree with you.

  147. @AP
    @QCIC


    Have you asked your contacts about capitulation to end this mess or are you scared to do so? You don’t have to be rude, but you could point out that the USA may not be able to politically or economically continue to support Ukraine forever. What do they say
     
    They say they will send their women and children westwards and fight in the streets if the Russians come to the cities. Wouldn't you do the same if your country was invaded? Or are you a traitor or coward and assume that others are like you?

    You realize that Ukrainians were fighting in February and March 2022 before Western arms came to Ukraine in significant numbers. Regular people - my nephews from a village were manning blockposts out in the oblast, fortunately the Russians stopped a few dozen km from their village.

    The only thing that cutting Ukraine off from western military aid will accomplish its it will turn things much more bloody because it will move the front into the cities. How bloodthirsty you must be to want such a scenario.

    There were people just like you protesting about American military aid to Britain during World War II. It was prolonging the war, they were for peace, they said.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself. Probably I get shot in the the head by a friendly neighbor who then gets bombed by a drone because he was too stupid to listen to reason.

    I think it is pitiful how so many people like to relive the old wars. I wish more would look at the situation today as carefully as they read the musty old history books. Hopefully then they can try to unravel the lies of today and understand the forces at work.

    You may be right. Perhaps all the people who had the ability to stop the situation in Ukraine or even understand it left long ago or are already dead. So the remaining people will simply fight until they can fight no more. If this is true they may be in for a harsh winter.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself.
     
    What if your country is invaded, some foreigners want to give you weapons with which to defend yourselves, but moron-foreigners claim that your defense of your homes is a proxy war and want to deny you the best weapons with which to fight off the invaders? Would you fight to protect your home anyways, even with worse weapons? That's what Ukrainians did and will do, if necessary.

    Replies: @QCIC

  148. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Phoenix sounds like not the most attractive place in the long run.
     
    Since you don't understand the economics of real estate investing in Phoenix, I suspect that your other advice is faulty too. I've tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too), but because of the climate, for now, I'm staying put. Today, I'm looking forward to a high of 66 farenheight slowly rising to 78 by Wednesday, all sunny weather. Looks like its going to reach 35 today in Bratislava, with much of the same for the next 10 days: rain/snow/windy/cloudy - have fun! :-)

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    Sour grapes…you should see the Christmas markets and the dancing girls, you have nothing like that in Phoenix..:)

    “I’ve tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too)”

    You are looking back, I am looking forward. Phoenix has tripled, but it won’t in the future in real terms, nor will Prague. It is not possible, math properties of large numbers.

    Will Phoenix go down? My guess is that in real terms it will with the real rate of inflation. Eventually it will be an oversized “Mexican” city – look at how they do with real estate. But you will be fine, elderly bought early and this will not impact them.

    Ask yourself if the young buying today will be so lucky. That matters a lot, flat real estate changes societies, it leads to instability, lack of disposable wealth. You boomers will be ok, unless the young decide to settle scores on the old and weak. They could do it – especially since they are mostly of different ethnic background. But I wish you good luck…

  149. @songbird
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Purely in the temperoral context of being a schoolboy (of course), but I think I can safely say that nothing compared to schoolgirls.

    I really wish I had pictures of some of these women that I remember the boys praising in elementary and middle school, but my suspicion is that I never saw an attractive teacher until high school, and, even then, mostly fairly late.

    But I have a lot of funny memories of people saying stuff about various teachers. One of my classmates wrote an obscene song about a teacher - she had gone to school with my brother, and I had heard rude things about her, though she was always very nice to me, and I disliked to hear her spoken of that way.

    One of my funnier memories was being in this very small class. there were three of us in it, including myself. And we would often be in sort of the teachers' lounge area, and one day this very young woman who was like a teacher's aide came in, and the other two guys seemed to be shamelessly and openly oggling her. In a very crowded hallway, one of them later asked me what I thought of her, and I answered truthfully that I hadn't seen her face (as I didn't want to be as rude as the others) which he parried with something very ribald.

    I hadn't really thought of it before, but, at least in elementary and middle school, I think it would be the very r-selected boys who would be drawn to so-so looking older women, just because they have bigger breasts.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “I think it would be the very r-selected boys who would be drawn to so-so looking older women, just because they have bigger breasts”

    I was and am far from r-selected, but sadly I can recall the breast size of the attractive female teachers, and even some of the less attractive ones. Size didn’t equal attraction, though one music teacher was both very pretty and quite pneumatic – she sang the soprano lead in most of our school musicals.

    You are right though that our female classmates were the focus of most attention and desire.

  150. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Phoenix sounds like not the most attractive place in the long run.
     
    Since you don't understand the economics of real estate investing in Phoenix, I suspect that your other advice is faulty too. I've tripled my money in Phoenix, it could go down (but it could still go up too), but because of the climate, for now, I'm staying put. Today, I'm looking forward to a high of 66 farenheight slowly rising to 78 by Wednesday, all sunny weather. Looks like its going to reach 35 today in Bratislava, with much of the same for the next 10 days: rain/snow/windy/cloudy - have fun! :-)

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Climate is a matter of personal taste. I don’t think that anybody would like rainy weather in the upper 30s or lower 40s. But I would easily trade snowy 20s and low 30s for 6 months of southern Arizona summers, which are basically unbearable for me. Winter is beautiful, if it isn’t too harsh.

    That’s why I am not living in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas probably has the best climate in the desert Southwest: unbearably hot for only 4 months a year (mid-May to mid-September). Then pleasant summer weather for 5 months a year, pleasant mild autumnal weather for 2 months a year, and about a month’s worth of unpleasantly cold autumnal weather in January-February. Almost never rains, but windy.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    Why exactly is it superior?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I've never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer! I'm only able to getaway for a month to cooler climes right now, but when I'm fully retired in a few years I'll be trying to stay away for 3-4 months.

    The winters here are really great. I've made a study of it and can tell you unequivocally that the winters in Phoenix are even nicer than in San Diego (which aren't bad). A little warmer and not as cloudy as in San Diego. I don't know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it's much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix. I used to sit next to a guy at work, an accountant actually originally from Minneapolis, that told me a lot about his adventures living in Las Vegas. Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts.....even on the edge of town.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don't convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It's all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don't believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Matra, @AP

  151. @QCIC
    @AP

    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself. Probably I get shot in the the head by a friendly neighbor who then gets bombed by a drone because he was too stupid to listen to reason.

    I think it is pitiful how so many people like to relive the old wars. I wish more would look at the situation today as carefully as they read the musty old history books. Hopefully then they can try to unravel the lies of today and understand the forces at work.

    You may be right. Perhaps all the people who had the ability to stop the situation in Ukraine or even understand it left long ago or are already dead. So the remaining people will simply fight until they can fight no more. If this is true they may be in for a harsh winter.

    Replies: @AP

    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself.

    What if your country is invaded, some foreigners want to give you weapons with which to defend yourselves, but moron-foreigners claim that your defense of your homes is a proxy war and want to deny you the best weapons with which to fight off the invaders? Would you fight to protect your home anyways, even with worse weapons? That’s what Ukrainians did and will do, if necessary.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    LOL.

    What if foreigners con you into pressuring your neighbor in a way which inevitably leads to combat on your own soil and then...oh well, never mind.

    Replies: @AP

  152. @QCIC
    @AP

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is "special" because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.

    I don't see any parallel to the Iraq wars except that a lot of people died for no good reason.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them. A lot of bad things go on in the USA and Europe and a great many people are clueless about the actual events and especially the causes.

    The Twin Towers came down on 911 but a clear explanation of the facts is still lacking.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy.

    It is common for invaders and aggressors to blame “outside forces” to deflect from their aggression, and to lie about the danger that the invaded country presents to their own country. Hitler blamed France for invading Eastern Europe. Bush claimed Iraq was going to get WMDs and present a clear danger to the USA if it wasn’t invaded and regime-changed first. These are typical lies told by invaders and their supporters. People who are not ignorant of history should be able to spot such excuses easily.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them

    Sure you don’t, and I won’t doxx myself to prove anything like that. Strong support for the war effort, strong anger at the invader, and spirited fighting by masses of soldiers are further evidence that Ukrainians, who know what is going on in their own country, have a different attitude towards this invasion that you, who knows nothing and who stuffs his mind with misinformation by the Russian invader and its useful idiots in the West.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Hitler blamed France for invading Eastern Europe.
     
    Hitler blamed Britain even more so. He viewed the Anglo-Polish alliance as a very significant provocation, which he argued was contrary to the 1934 German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact. He opposed the Franco-Polish alliance as well and tried to get the Poles to revoke it, but ended up accepting it as a fait accompli in order to secure his 1934 Non-Aggression Pact with Poland.

    Anyway, Yeah, that's the issue with the security dilemma, where defensive actions by one country/party can be misinterpreted as offensive actions by another country/party. Of course, sometimes the other country/party can have its own malicious intentions and be using this argument as a cover, but sometimes it can also genuinely believe its own propaganda in regards to this. Bush, for instance, I suspect really did believe that Iraq had WMDs and was developing nukes, though I view the Iraq invasion in a more ambivalent sense rather than being outright evil (Iraqis could not remove Saddam Hussein voluntarily like Ukrainians could with Volodymyr Zelensky, after all; Iraqis already tried going down that route back in 1991, with unintentional US encouragement, and unfortunately ended up failing miserably due to a lack of US support).
  153. @songbird
    What does GR (or anyone) know about reading old, weathered inscriptions?

    I recall hearing that they use a special camera to capture Neolithic artwork in Ireland on exposed stones.

    I was wondering about that. Is it merely to get a camera image, or does it reveal details that the eye can't see?

    I am really interested in a weathered tombstone from the 18th century, which seems to be of modest historical import, and I am wondering if there is any way I could get some researchers to give it a super-scan to read the illegible parts of it, or whether such technology doesn't really exist.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I am really interested in a weathered tombstone from the 18th century, which seems to be of modest historical import, and I am wondering if there is any way I could get some researchers to give it a super-scan to read the illegible parts of it, or whether such technology doesn’t really exist.

    1. Some imaging processing techniques are incredible for some problems;
    2. fake some library report that some negro was buried there in the 18th century–you will get volunteers from every single university that hears about it. Even after you tell them it’s fake they will say you are lying about the faking part.

    This book will give you an idea of what they can do. Do not buy a new one. It used to be very popular and for sure you can get a previous edition cheap.

    • LOL: songbird
  154. India currently getting pwned for targeting Sikh activists

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  155. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    Russia wanted the halt in NATO expansion to be permanent, which NATO was unwilling to agree to.
     
    What does non-permanent mean? Do countries sign these kind of security treaties as here-today-gone tomorrow pieces of paper? You know that is nonsense. What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war - all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn't convince the public or the military to fight.

    It was a fatal mistake by Nato - all they had to do was agree formally to what you guys claim was the case anyway. I think you are wrong and Nato had very specific plan to expand to Ukraine, but let's say they didn't, why wouldn't they say it?

    These arguments look like a belated attempt at cya since Nato expansion was the red line. It has led to the bloody war West is losing: there will be no Nato in Ukraine. Seems like the time for pretending has come...and you guys try every crazy way to deny the obvious or make it hurt less. Fine, but we all know the rhetoric was stupid (if t was only that) and has led to hundreds of thousands dead, mostly Ukrainians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war – all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn’t convince the public or the military to fight.

    AFAIK, Russia would have still been extremely paranoid about Western military cooperation with Ukraine even without the possibility of NATO expansion there. Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine, for instance, which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership. (This is why I don’t believe that a Trump victory in 2020 would have prevented the Ukraine War. Even if Trump would have tried pulling the US out of NATO, if he would have tried to compensate for this by giving HIMARS, ATACAMS, et cetera to Ukraine, then this would have only likewise fueled Russian paranoia about US/Western intentions.)

    Also, I’m not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership. After all, Russia still can’t be a superpower without Ukraine and just like Anatoly Karlin, a lot of Russians presumably expected the war to be over quickly and for Ukrainians to only offer scattered resistance at best. When you can easily increase your country’s total population by 35 million (25 million Ukraine and 10 million Belarus), why not take it? Especially if you will correctly assume that your country can handle the subsequent Western sanctions that will be imposed on it fairly well. Russia has no other realistic ways of rapidly growing its population, after all. Massive non-white immigration is unacceptable to Russian nationalists and Russia won’t get super-high quality immigrants anyway since those will prefer to immigrate to the Anglosphere/West instead. And Russians are unwilling to breed even at replacement levels, unlike Israeli Jews. Other than effective anti-aging technology, which we don’t know when exactly will be developed, military expansion was perceived as the only realistic way to prevent further significant population decline in Russia over the next several decades.

    Anatoly Karlin was and is very much correct that Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem due to it blowing its 20th century demographic potential as a result of fighting a needless war for Serbia and then being severely brutalized by both Nazis and Communists over the next several decades.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership.
     
    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    I’m not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership.
     
    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem...
     
    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly - Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the "not enough people" mantra - for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  156. @AP
    @QCIC


    I will fight in self-defense to protect my loved ones, friends and neighbors. If we all get signed up for a proxy war I will work even harder to unravel it to avoid the senseless deaths of clueless pawns on all sides, including myself.
     
    What if your country is invaded, some foreigners want to give you weapons with which to defend yourselves, but moron-foreigners claim that your defense of your homes is a proxy war and want to deny you the best weapons with which to fight off the invaders? Would you fight to protect your home anyways, even with worse weapons? That's what Ukrainians did and will do, if necessary.

    Replies: @QCIC

    LOL.

    What if foreigners con you into pressuring your neighbor in a way which inevitably leads to combat on your own soil and then…oh well, never mind.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    An aggressive neighbor will always find an excuse and say he was "pressured" into invading. Bush was pressured into invading by Saddam (WMD's, etc.) Hitler was "pressured" to invade Poland by England and France. Stalin was "pressured" to invade the Baltics and Finland.

    Replies: @QCIC

  157. Near total EU victory in natgas war as early cold spells in Europe doesn’t result in price panics anymore, even with giant amount of supplies from RF missing and some recent muddy CCP’ied China potential shenigans in waters of Finland;)

    European natural gas futures fell further to around €43 per megawatt-hour, the lowest in seven weeks as ample supplies more than offset forecasts of very cold weather across much of Europe in early December. The current natural gas storages in Germany and France are nearly full, while Italy’s reserves exceeded 96%. Still, freezing temperatures and snow are spreading across the continent, leading to an expected increase in energy demand. Berlin and Helsinki are forecasted to experience lows of -4.5C and -8C, respectively, and parts of Scotland, northeast England, and London are set to see snow and sub-zero temperatures. Additionally, a stuck LNG tanker at an Australian export terminal is halting shipments because only one vessel can dock at the export terminal at a time. Looking ahead, forecasts indicate a continued cold pattern for most of Europe in the next two weeks, though some models suggest a potential temperature rebound in the northwest from December 6.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Yet another visual comparison about emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail - european electricity prices during early cold spell two years ago;)

    NS1 and Yamal pipelines and six German nuclear plants all intact and fully working then:

    https://aftershock.news/sites/default/files/u17862/IMG_20211216_111228_576.jpg

    Now:

    https://i.postimg.cc/KctvpD7X/eu-electricity-prices-2023-12-01.png

    btw, today weekend prices are even more lower, but have chosen working day of the week, when consumption is higher.

    Putin should get some Charlemagne awards for this achievement, but guess the greatest offensive campaign of Donetsk city suburbia with NK supplies would serve as enough consolation, lol

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

  158. @songbird
    @LatW

    IMO, if you are old enough to bang your teacher (14, to be generous) then you probably shouldn't be in school, but doing on the job learning, even if more leisure time, breaks and socialization were built in.

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    BTW, I remember being in school from even in elementary school onwards and the guys would be singing the praises of different teachers and substitutes, even that young. And about half of the time, I didn't see it at all, and was really shocked that they had such strong feelings for what I thought were very average at best, though young women. It was almost like they were sailors, coming back to port after six months of not seeing a woman.

    And also, if you are a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn't be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    In my state, they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous. If public school is so useful, then why the heck would you need a master's?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Mikel, @LatW, @S

    Men used to marry, when they were 14.

    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?) or maybe somewhere in our wonderful Slavlands.

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    In the South, too, they are crazy that way about youths (do you remember that part in the Godfather book where a mother brings her own 12 year old daughter to some mafia boss? I was pretty shocked when I read that, myself a teenager at the time. Maybe it was made up… I hope.)

    But it’s not so much that way where I’m from or in Central Europe. Although it may have been different in different eras. Northerns mature slower. Even if it shouldn’t be as slow as these days… it’s not natural. Actually, 19 is a great age to marry, for both sexes.

    Although they were sent off to war at pretty young ages which is majorly messed up (and which I really hate). Especially in WW1 (but not as young as 14, more like 17-18). I read a story about a 15 year old boy in WW2 who was throwing panzerfaust at Soviet tanks, but he was an outlier. Teenagers could die while guarding military equipment.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days. Although we have the story of Peter Pan, I’m sure there’s something to it. 🙂

    Btw, have you heard about the explosion at the Allegheny Arsenal? You having Irish roots, you might know about this. I was totally shocked when I first read about it, I didn’t know there were female civilian victims during the Civil War. And those were mostly Catholic girls, so most likely working class Irish girls. How all these horrible wars are fought at the expense of the young…

    bang your teacher (14, to be generous)

    The boy’s instinct to “bang” shows earlier than I thought. I was shocked, frankly, it’s a bit disturbing even if hilarious (before I became a mother, I thought it only starts at around 13-14). We should protect their innocence. The other day I thought that maybe boys become sexual very early while at the same time their cognitive abilities, impulse control takes longer to get established (up to their 20s), while girls might mature slower sexually, but faster mentally. Girls may have sexual or romantic thoughts quite early, but they are not mentally ready to act out on them, while boys probably are. Just a thought, I might be wrong.

    Boy embryos get miscarried more often, and boy infant mortality is higher, maybe boys are just more volatile as biological beings? Maybe it’s the active sex which is also more prone to being discarded? Or more at risk in some ways.

    The testosterone starts appearing in the 10 week of gestation.

    Btw, most young boys are not at all lewd (maybe only among themselves sometimes), there are some very well behaved 18 and even 19 year old virgins out there. The even younger ones are completely pure and innocent. Tbh, I don’t know how boys and young men can take all the overly sexualized images in today’s world (and even some girls’ attire), I would go crazy.

    a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn’t be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.

    Well, teachers are a particular type (maybe more “bookish” maybe less sexually oriented on average, maybe more K-selected, to use your language?), but most women in their 20s, even if they are working or studying, are simultaneously partnered up (or at least somewhat looking, they may not make it the focus of their lives, although some do, but they are open to it, so these are not mutually exclusive things). Maybe not all but many. Maybe Gen Z are different, there is a lot of weirdness these days so it might be different for them (but I doubt it).

    they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous.

    Well, that’s what I was saying – imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete! Come on, man.

    Of course, teachers shouldn’t do it (and most female teachers are very well behaved and not that interested, tbh, some are even married), and of course going under 16 would probably be borderline deviant (moms will freak out!), but to equate male and female sexuality is just insane. As I said, I wouldn’t care if it were just some woke nonsense, or just another meaningless woke talking point that you can just dismiss as BS, if it didn’t have serious repercussions for the woman (and possibly her children).

    A woman is like a network – her energies flow into many other people in the society, other women, children, the elderly. If something bad happens to her, all those people could be affected. A man is more like an island – of course, a man will have relatives, friends, etc., but those men who do go through the justice system are typically anti-social in some way or true deviants. True female deviants are rare.

    Because men are more selfish and have more mental fortitude, they might take jail better than women – for a woman it could be more of a trauma (and her child due to needless separation).

    These differences need to be considered.

    As to needing a master’s in pedagogy just to teach in a public school, a lot of what’s in those degrees is psychology, actually, it’s not that easy to be a teacher, one needs a lot of patience even if the kids are so adorable. They can be quite noisy. There’s a reason why not that many men volunteer to teach younger grades – they would get fed up in a few days! Women are more patient than men, that’s why among other things they make such good snipers (because most of it is waiting).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    The boy’s instinct to “bang” shows earlier than I thought.
     
    I was really shocked by some of the things I remember boys saying at a very young age. I think it comes from the culture. Hollywood.

    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?)
     
    I don't have a deep knowledge of it, and am not sure how clear the historical record is. But I do recall a case of two very young Normans being married in very early 1600s Ireland. The boy 14-15, and the girl 12. I think they desperately needed an heir. People witnessed the bedding.

    I think those were actually the legal ages for marriage in England for a long time, though most married older. (BTW, I wonder when the law changed so that minors we're not required to marry the people picked by their guardians.)

    I think that was the historical norm in many places. Definitely Sicily, but I think also in the Roman Empire.

    Even if it shouldn’t be as slow as these days… it’s not natural.
     
    If they need an heir and mortality is really high, than I would say it seems pretty natural.

    Everything is conditional, of course. I suspect 12 isn't an ideal birthing age, but biologically, it wouldn't be much later than that. Economic, Malthusian, and cultural-socio considerations aside. We've hobbled biology for those reasons.

    If we think that teenagers are irresponsible, then I believe that comes from a few sources. One is that most people are irresponsible, especially when removed from traditional social structures and expectations. Another is that some demographic groups are more prone to violence and that is mediated by testosterone levels, so worse in teens. But the brain develops much earlier than 18 or 21. That it develops late is a myth.

    Anyway, if you were colonizing Mars with a small society, looking to dominate the planet, I would say take off the brakes.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days
     
    I think it was maybe a little the other way. Later menarche.

    imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete!
     
    Perhaps, school should be a contest to get the hot teacher. Make it eugenic. That might actually motivate some people.

    Replies: @LatW

  159. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    “Become a teacher – bang horny young studs!” – not a turn I’d like to see society take.
     
    This would be the least of all problems - one can be together with a "horny young stud" even without being a teacher. In fact, it's better not to be a teacher if one is into younger guys, since there is a risk of losing employment (and a bit ethically problematic not to mention embarrassing if found out). Being a teacher is a special calling that should be separated from sex. And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).

    In Europe the legal age is 16+ which is actually very young, boys really develop into real studs only past the age of 18, closer to 19, 20. So that is closer to the age that women might be interested in, not 16 (when they have not yet developed their masculine characteristics to the fullest).

    Just another one of the necessary lies that this burned out husk of a civilization has to tell itself, over and over again, since facing reality is not option.
     
    If this was only about sex related delusions and "clown world" it wouldn't be the worst (even if annoying and wrong, of course). The problem is the legal aspect and the life consequences which can be dire - when you equate the sexes and ignore their differences and then bring that into the legal system, you're going to eventually not only cause unnecessary pain and hardship, but in the end you're going to wreck society completely.

    Because this is abuse of justice. Throwing an innocent woman, possibly a mom of young children, into something like the US justice system just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, - if a society does that, that society can say "bye bye" to normalcy and justice. The US jails are in terrible condition. The legal fees are insane and if one has a criminal record, they can't even get a job or rent. They can lose their kid (and the child can lose their mother or be needlessly separated from her). To put an innocent woman through that is insane. There is actually a difference in whether you send a woman or a man to prison.

    The solution for this - instead of pretending that there are no differences between the sexes - would be to create a sex segregated education system.

    Replies: @songbird, @silviosilver

    one can be together with a “horny young stud” even without being a teacher.

    Thanks for taking me literally – and bonus points for pointing out the obvious! 🙂 🙂

    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go – or rather, continue further down the track it’s already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly. And the sense I meant my comment to be in was “don’t knock teaching, it’s not as boring as you think – think of all the horny young studs you’ll have commanding access to.”

    just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, – if a society does that, that society can say “bye bye” to normalcy and justice

    Oh come off it, in any “normal” school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), it’s the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).

    It’s happened (happens, I guess) to me fairly often (not every time I go out, duh, but enough). (Of course, I agree these are the exceptions that prove the rule.) Boastful personal anecdote time! A couple of months ago I was having a smoke(I’m not smoker, but I enjoy lighting up when I’m drunk, hate it otherwise), a girl asked me for a cigarette for her friend, and it was my last one. She said to her friend, “oh, you can’t take his last one!”, but I insisted “nah, go on have it – I’m feeling generous.” And she then said to her friend, “you owe him a kiss for that!” The girl moved right in and kissed me on the lips, and her friend said loudly “come on, that’s not kiss!” And she moved right back in again and tongued me down. I think I asked her something later about what they were doing and she answered “we’re on tour.” I briefly took it mean they’re minor celebrity singers or something – and quickly checked her out to see if I recognized her – but then I figured she meant they’re on vacation (she was from NZ, the friend England). They were staying in a hotel nearby, and it all ended quite nicely. 🙂 (Pretty hot slim blonde too! Didn’t even ask her how old – in case my age came up – but I’d guess no more than late 20s. That was the most direct approach I’ve experienced since I was nineteen, when I’d just walked into a club and some girl came up behind me and put her arms around me. After a little while, she turned me around to face her “so you can have a look at me,” and sort of ran her hands down her side. (She was good!) Had nothing really close to that direct since then.)

    I’m normally very sociable, strike up convos with people all the time. Tonight, I was ridiculously tongue-tied. There’s this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I’ve seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn’t help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I’m making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go – or rather, continue further down the track it’s already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly.
     
    Just to be fully clear - I do not approve of student / teacher sexual relationships, involving minors under 18, in that academic setting, I'm even skeptical of professor / university student relationships. I look down on those as well, even though I understand some of the appeal.

    And, of course, we have to protect the innocence, that goes without saying, there is also a category of children and youths that are at risk. From foster homes and such.

    But on this topic - yes, I agree that our society probably doesn't need any more sexualization, "empowerment" or laxity, however, I believe that these flings take place not because of some "societal background" or brainwashing or peer pressure - these flings happen naturally, from an occasional spark, from the warmth that is generated from being together, alone, in the same room. Maybe sometimes from teenage crushes. Not because someone said "this is good and this is the thing now". This has happened for millennia. My friend had a story like that about one of her female relatives who married someone very young while they were both in exile in Siberia, after they had been deported there.

    My problem is with over policing this kind of thing, to the detriment of women (and their children). Do you realize how crazy things must be if men dressed as women are allowed in women's bathrooms, but women are punished for a small fling?

    Oh come off it, in any “normal” school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), <it’s the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    How do you know it was the female teacher that initiated? You were not there, in every single one of these cases, and there is no data. The male / female dynamic is constant and always at play, regardless of the age. There can be various scenarios, but most likely the teacher was not the "predator". Possibly one of them initiated very lightly and the other one simply didn't reject. Most likely there was a warmth that built up over some time or maybe they even liked each other immediately.

    You seem to be bound by this stereotype that an older woman is always the "cougar", the one on the prowl. No, that's not the reality. Women get approached for casual sex by younger men all the time.

    Thank you for sharing all those personal details, you really didn't have to, but very candid. :) I don't doubt that you are attractive even in your ripe age of mid 40s. I, too, could provide a lot of self-flattering real life examples (if I felt that that proves anything about wider realities).

    But it's really not about you or I, the fact of life is that men are typically bolder about approaching, more open, more vocal about it. In some ways, more needy (both physically needy and emotionally in need of approval). For an attractive woman, it doesn't really take much to show she's interested, she doesn't even have to say anything, just look the man in the eyes a bit deeper, hold it for a couple of seconds longer and then look away (or look down) - he'll get the point immediately. Men typically don't need too much encouragement that way. An attractive woman that respects herself doesn't have to jump on some stud and slobber all over him in front of a nightclub.

    Sorry, silvio, just as friends (we're still "friends", right?), I'm starting to wonder what kind of women you're hanging around - again, I have no doubt you are a highly desired Mediterranean stud, but the ones you bring up sound like some easy type of chicks who got drunk at the bar and could pick up any guy who looks somewhat decent - you just happened to be there. :) Congrats. LOL

    Do you even realize what they meant when they said "we're on a tour"? These are slutty Northern Euro women who travel to exotic locations to have themselves entertained. "On a tour" means that you are not special but that they just as easily could've had another partner or will in another town.

    Some Northern Euro women sometimes go south for that, so they can slut it up in a foreign place where nobody knows them. They would not marry you or even date you seriously but most likely will go back home and eventually marry an English dude.

    Sweetie, if you're still hitting young people's clubs at the solid age of 40+, then unfortunately you have become a "type" yourself - I know, I know, you're in your prime (lol), but I remember those very few much older guys at the club when I was in my 20s. I'm not going to comment on them, to not offend anybody, sigh.

    Are you sure you're not going through a midlife crisis? Sorry but that's what it sounds like.

    Btw, speaking of hot Mediterranean studs, some women do like the men from the Balkans. I know someone, a married mother of two, who was really fed up with life, and super tired, so she went to visit this attractive guy in Croatia - this guy took her on a romantic week long boat tour, with just the two of them sailing the coastline of Croatia, that must've been awesome, but that is a very bold move. So, yes, there is some appeal there so I can totally see how your little nightlife stories can be real.

    Sorry, didn't mean to derail the convo.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @LatW
    @silviosilver


    There’s this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I’ve seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn’t help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I’m making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.
     
    Sounds like she is well liked so you'll have competition. Especially if she's in her 20s or early 30s. If she's in her 20s, you'll have competition even while you're dating her (it won't be that stable).
  160. @AP
    @QCIC


    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy.
     
    It is common for invaders and aggressors to blame "outside forces" to deflect from their aggression, and to lie about the danger that the invaded country presents to their own country. Hitler blamed France for invading Eastern Europe. Bush claimed Iraq was going to get WMDs and present a clear danger to the USA if it wasn't invaded and regime-changed first. These are typical lies told by invaders and their supporters. People who are not ignorant of history should be able to spot such excuses easily.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them
     
    Sure you don't, and I won't doxx myself to prove anything like that. Strong support for the war effort, strong anger at the invader, and spirited fighting by masses of soldiers are further evidence that Ukrainians, who know what is going on in their own country, have a different attitude towards this invasion that you, who knows nothing and who stuffs his mind with misinformation by the Russian invader and its useful idiots in the West.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Hitler blamed France for invading Eastern Europe.

    Hitler blamed Britain even more so. He viewed the Anglo-Polish alliance as a very significant provocation, which he argued was contrary to the 1934 German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact. He opposed the Franco-Polish alliance as well and tried to get the Poles to revoke it, but ended up accepting it as a fait accompli in order to secure his 1934 Non-Aggression Pact with Poland.

    Anyway, Yeah, that’s the issue with the security dilemma, where defensive actions by one country/party can be misinterpreted as offensive actions by another country/party. Of course, sometimes the other country/party can have its own malicious intentions and be using this argument as a cover, but sometimes it can also genuinely believe its own propaganda in regards to this. Bush, for instance, I suspect really did believe that Iraq had WMDs and was developing nukes, though I view the Iraq invasion in a more ambivalent sense rather than being outright evil (Iraqis could not remove Saddam Hussein voluntarily like Ukrainians could with Volodymyr Zelensky, after all; Iraqis already tried going down that route back in 1991, with unintentional US encouragement, and unfortunately ended up failing miserably due to a lack of US support).

  161. @AP
    @QCIC


    Remember this is still the SMO
     
    With 100,000s of soldiers, 100,000+ KIA, etc.

    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.

    The reason for taking out SBU, NeoNazi and other thugs and assassins is that these people prevent the Ukrainian political process from reaching the point of capitulation. They block this process by murder, torture and kidnapping. This scenario is common in wars of empire, where truly evil thugs do the bidding of their foreign paymasters and in the process get many of their relatives and former friends and comrades killed. I assume this is why a Jewish actor is able to conscript men and women and have them turned into literal cannon fodder. The people who speak up and fight back against this travesty are murdered by the thugs and so the process continues.

    Of course you and AP don’t hear of this
     
    We don't hear of this because it is a ridiculous fantasy.

    But it's funny that you believe that you know better than people actually in Ukraine. What you are trying to do is to explain to New Yorkers or their relatives that 9-11 never happened.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Let me guess: Iraq war was also a type of SMO? Fewer troops involved, and much fewer casualties.

    Iraq (and Afghanistan), to the US’s credit, also did not involve a draft of Americans. Americans could try bringing democracy to those places without drafting their own people, and actually succeeded in Iraq, albeit in a flawed way (Iraq is still very corrupt and dysfunctional in spite of its democracy, after all).

  162. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    He probably doesn't understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Climate is a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anybody would like rainy weather in the upper 30s or lower 40s. But I would easily trade snowy 20s and low 30s for 6 months of southern Arizona summers, which are basically unbearable for me. Winter is beautiful, if it isn't too harsh.

    That's why I am not living in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas probably has the best climate in the desert Southwest: unbearably hot for only 4 months a year (mid-May to mid-September). Then pleasant summer weather for 5 months a year, pleasant mild autumnal weather for 2 months a year, and about a month's worth of unpleasantly cold autumnal weather in January-February. Almost never rains, but windy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Why exactly is it superior?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Celsius is better for chemistry and scientific purposes, but Fahrenheit better captures the human range of temperature more precisely.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  163. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    Why exactly is it superior?

    Replies: @AP

    Celsius is better for chemistry and scientific purposes, but Fahrenheit better captures the human range of temperature more precisely.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP

    Not really sure what you mean by this. As in, it's somehow more "natural" to call something 90 degrees (F) than to call it 30 degrees (C)?

    I find Fahrenheit "wasteful." (Cbf thinking of a more suitable word.) There's too little difference in the degrees. Is it 109 today or 110? The difference is undetectable. Whereas in Celsius, if it's 6 degrees rather than 8 degrees, that to me is appreciably colder.

    Replies: @AP

  164. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!

    Replies: @LatW

    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!

    Excuse me, but who are you calling “the Patriarch” here? The ultra-materialist Gundyayev or the deranged neo-Soviet blood thirsty vampire Pynya? Pynya – the butcher of Slavs! May he burn in Hell eternally!

    He will have to mobilize after his “fake” election because the Russians are being turned into a bloody kasha as we speak.

    The majority of Ukrainians and other Eastern Euros despise him. We have our own patriarchs from the past and we have Zaluzhniy. You are completely out of touch with reality – the young and the middle aged have moved on, long ago, it is crazy vampires like Putin who are being held on life support who cannot deal with it and want to raze everything we have built to the ground and drown everyone in blood. A decrepit old vampire in Kremlin lives, his daughter works on some life advancing “science”, while he is murdering children in Ukraine, including newborns, at the dawn of their lives – and you are defending this scum. They don’t even use smartphones. You are defending a Hitler and you don’t even realize it. You’re an absolutely disgusting and vile creature yourself.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I was referring to Kirill (Gundyayev). I know little about him. To me he is another strange figure in a strange world, though maybe not as strange as Biden, Zelensky, Erdogan, Trump, Netanyahu, Macron, Trudeau, Prigozhin and many, many others. We live in strange times.

    I think you people are cheerleading for World War Three based on your angry childish view of the world. That means I believe you are willfully trying to get a billion people killed and so you are doing the Devil's work.

    Don't forget that Putin's successor will likely be much less accepting of Western threats and may hold countries such as Ukraine more accountable.

    Replies: @LatW

  165. @QCIC
    @AP

    LOL.

    What if foreigners con you into pressuring your neighbor in a way which inevitably leads to combat on your own soil and then...oh well, never mind.

    Replies: @AP

    An aggressive neighbor will always find an excuse and say he was “pressured” into invading. Bush was pressured into invading by Saddam (WMD’s, etc.) Hitler was “pressured” to invade Poland by England and France. Stalin was “pressured” to invade the Baltics and Finland.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    This is about the West versus Russia in a superpower conflict. Considering the rich history of Eastern Europe and Russia including the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Russian Empire, Swedish Empire, Persian Empire, Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire and many others it should be easy for you to understand the Imperial aspects of this conflict and not fall for the con like a gullible child.

    Or maybe you do understand this history and simply don't care. I wonder if you follow the notion that politics is like breakfast and the cook has to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Right or wrong, the relative weakness of Russia combined with the powerlust and bloodlust of the West gave Ukraine the opportunity to finally be something. This chance had to be taken with any and all measures since it was a once in a lifetime shot at pride and glory.

  166. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Celsius is better for chemistry and scientific purposes, but Fahrenheit better captures the human range of temperature more precisely.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Not really sure what you mean by this. As in, it’s somehow more “natural” to call something 90 degrees (F) than to call it 30 degrees (C)?

    I find Fahrenheit “wasteful.” (Cbf thinking of a more suitable word.) There’s too little difference in the degrees. Is it 109 today or 110? The difference is undetectable. Whereas in Celsius, if it’s 6 degrees rather than 8 degrees, that to me is appreciably colder.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    Not really sure what you mean by this. As in, it’s somehow more “natural” to call something 90 degrees (F) than to call it 30 degrees (C)?
     
    Fahrenheit is more detailed for the natural human range in which we exist. About 120 degrees (-10F to 110 F) captures the temperature that most of us will ever experience. In Celsius it's 61 degrees for this range (-23C to + 38C).

    I find Fahrenheit “wasteful.” (Cbf thinking of a more suitable word.) There’s too little difference in the degrees. Is it 109 today or 110? The difference is undetectable.
     
    At the extremes it may be undetectable, but one can feel the difference between 71 and 72 degrees Fahrenheit, or 62 and 63 (people with different preferences and access to the same thermostat can concur). More precise is better, when it's within the bounds of noticeability. Which it is.

    Whereas in Celsius, if it’s 6 degrees rather than 8 degrees, that to me is appreciably colder.
     
    Of course - that's 42.8 F vs. 46.4 F.
  167. @LatW
    @QCIC


    Just read the speech for yourself. Respect the Patriarch!
     
    Excuse me, but who are you calling "the Patriarch" here? The ultra-materialist Gundyayev or the deranged neo-Soviet blood thirsty vampire Pynya? Pynya - the butcher of Slavs! May he burn in Hell eternally!

    He will have to mobilize after his "fake" election because the Russians are being turned into a bloody kasha as we speak.

    The majority of Ukrainians and other Eastern Euros despise him. We have our own patriarchs from the past and we have Zaluzhniy. You are completely out of touch with reality - the young and the middle aged have moved on, long ago, it is crazy vampires like Putin who are being held on life support who cannot deal with it and want to raze everything we have built to the ground and drown everyone in blood. A decrepit old vampire in Kremlin lives, his daughter works on some life advancing "science", while he is murdering children in Ukraine, including newborns, at the dawn of their lives - and you are defending this scum. They don't even use smartphones. You are defending a Hitler and you don't even realize it. You're an absolutely disgusting and vile creature yourself.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I was referring to Kirill (Gundyayev). I know little about him. To me he is another strange figure in a strange world, though maybe not as strange as Biden, Zelensky, Erdogan, Trump, Netanyahu, Macron, Trudeau, Prigozhin and many, many others. We live in strange times.

    I think you people are cheerleading for World War Three based on your angry childish view of the world. That means I believe you are willfully trying to get a billion people killed and so you are doing the Devil’s work.

    Don’t forget that Putin’s successor will likely be much less accepting of Western threats and may hold countries such as Ukraine more accountable.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Don’t forget that Putin’s successor will likely be much less accepting of Western threats and may hold countries such as Ukraine more accountable.
     
    How the hell would you even know that.. for all we know, Patrushev might be in charge. Another retrograde old bloodthirsty weirdo who believes in anti-Western conspiracies.

    This could've been solved with a demilitarized zone (200kms) on BOTH sides (within Russia as well), but of course the Kremlin would have never agreed to that.

  168. @QCIC
    @AP

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is "special" because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.

    I don't see any parallel to the Iraq wars except that a lot of people died for no good reason.

    I assume many people in Ukraine know what is going on, but I have no compelling evidence you are in contact with them. A lot of bad things go on in the USA and Europe and a great many people are clueless about the actual events and especially the causes.

    The Twin Towers came down on 911 but a clear explanation of the facts is still lacking.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    My perspective on the SMO is the military campaign is “special” because outside forces led the Ukrainians to a dangerously adversarial position against Russia as a Western proxy. So the operation is about destroying the Western threat both within Ukraine and the closely related broader threat related to the situation without destroying Ukraine or killing too many non-combatant Ukrainians.

    Russian military action has been considerably limited from what it otherwise could be.

  169. @AP
    @QCIC

    An aggressive neighbor will always find an excuse and say he was "pressured" into invading. Bush was pressured into invading by Saddam (WMD's, etc.) Hitler was "pressured" to invade Poland by England and France. Stalin was "pressured" to invade the Baltics and Finland.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This is about the West versus Russia in a superpower conflict. Considering the rich history of Eastern Europe and Russia including the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Russian Empire, Swedish Empire, Persian Empire, Mongol Empire, Ottoman Empire and many others it should be easy for you to understand the Imperial aspects of this conflict and not fall for the con like a gullible child.

    Or maybe you do understand this history and simply don’t care. I wonder if you follow the notion that politics is like breakfast and the cook has to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Right or wrong, the relative weakness of Russia combined with the powerlust and bloodlust of the West gave Ukraine the opportunity to finally be something. This chance had to be taken with any and all measures since it was a once in a lifetime shot at pride and glory.

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  171. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    one can be together with a “horny young stud” even without being a teacher.
     
    Thanks for taking me literally - and bonus points for pointing out the obvious! :) :)

    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go - or rather, continue further down the track it's already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly. And the sense I meant my comment to be in was "don't knock teaching, it's not as boring as you think - think of all the horny young studs you'll have commanding access to."


    just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, – if a society does that, that society can say “bye bye” to normalcy and justice
     
    Oh come off it, in any "normal" school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), it's the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).
     
    It's happened (happens, I guess) to me fairly often (not every time I go out, duh, but enough). (Of course, I agree these are the exceptions that prove the rule.) Boastful personal anecdote time! A couple of months ago I was having a smoke(I'm not smoker, but I enjoy lighting up when I'm drunk, hate it otherwise), a girl asked me for a cigarette for her friend, and it was my last one. She said to her friend, "oh, you can't take his last one!", but I insisted "nah, go on have it - I'm feeling generous." And she then said to her friend, "you owe him a kiss for that!" The girl moved right in and kissed me on the lips, and her friend said loudly "come on, that's not kiss!" And she moved right back in again and tongued me down. I think I asked her something later about what they were doing and she answered "we're on tour." I briefly took it mean they're minor celebrity singers or something - and quickly checked her out to see if I recognized her - but then I figured she meant they're on vacation (she was from NZ, the friend England). They were staying in a hotel nearby, and it all ended quite nicely. :) (Pretty hot slim blonde too! Didn't even ask her how old - in case my age came up - but I'd guess no more than late 20s. That was the most direct approach I've experienced since I was nineteen, when I'd just walked into a club and some girl came up behind me and put her arms around me. After a little while, she turned me around to face her "so you can have a look at me," and sort of ran her hands down her side. (She was good!) Had nothing really close to that direct since then.)

    I'm normally very sociable, strike up convos with people all the time. Tonight, I was ridiculously tongue-tied. There's this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I've seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn't help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I'm making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go – or rather, continue further down the track it’s already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly.

    Just to be fully clear – I do not approve of student / teacher sexual relationships, involving minors under 18, in that academic setting, I’m even skeptical of professor / university student relationships. I look down on those as well, even though I understand some of the appeal.

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    And, of course, we have to protect the innocence, that goes without saying, there is also a category of children and youths that are at risk. From foster homes and such.

    But on this topic – yes, I agree that our society probably doesn’t need any more sexualization, “empowerment” or laxity, however, I believe that these flings take place not because of some “societal background” or brainwashing or peer pressure – these flings happen naturally, from an occasional spark, from the warmth that is generated from being together, alone, in the same room. Maybe sometimes from teenage crushes. Not because someone said “this is good and this is the thing now”. This has happened for millennia. My friend had a story like that about one of her female relatives who married someone very young while they were both in exile in Siberia, after they had been deported there.

    My problem is with over policing this kind of thing, to the detriment of women (and their children). Do you realize how crazy things must be if men dressed as women are allowed in women’s bathrooms, but women are punished for a small fling?

    Oh come off it, in any “normal” school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), <it’s the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    How do you know it was the female teacher that initiated? You were not there, in every single one of these cases, and there is no data. The male / female dynamic is constant and always at play, regardless of the age. There can be various scenarios, but most likely the teacher was not the “predator”. Possibly one of them initiated very lightly and the other one simply didn’t reject. Most likely there was a warmth that built up over some time or maybe they even liked each other immediately.

    You seem to be bound by this stereotype that an older woman is always the “cougar”, the one on the prowl. No, that’s not the reality. Women get approached for casual sex by younger men all the time.

    Thank you for sharing all those personal details, you really didn’t have to, but very candid. 🙂 I don’t doubt that you are attractive even in your ripe age of mid 40s. I, too, could provide a lot of self-flattering real life examples (if I felt that that proves anything about wider realities).

    But it’s really not about you or I, the fact of life is that men are typically bolder about approaching, more open, more vocal about it. In some ways, more needy (both physically needy and emotionally in need of approval). For an attractive woman, it doesn’t really take much to show she’s interested, she doesn’t even have to say anything, just look the man in the eyes a bit deeper, hold it for a couple of seconds longer and then look away (or look down) – he’ll get the point immediately. Men typically don’t need too much encouragement that way. An attractive woman that respects herself doesn’t have to jump on some stud and slobber all over him in front of a nightclub.

    Sorry, silvio, just as friends (we’re still “friends”, right?), I’m starting to wonder what kind of women you’re hanging around – again, I have no doubt you are a highly desired Mediterranean stud, but the ones you bring up sound like some easy type of chicks who got drunk at the bar and could pick up any guy who looks somewhat decent – you just happened to be there. 🙂 Congrats. LOL

    Do you even realize what they meant when they said “we’re on a tour”? These are slutty Northern Euro women who travel to exotic locations to have themselves entertained. “On a tour” means that you are not special but that they just as easily could’ve had another partner or will in another town.

    Some Northern Euro women sometimes go south for that, so they can slut it up in a foreign place where nobody knows them. They would not marry you or even date you seriously but most likely will go back home and eventually marry an English dude.

    Sweetie, if you’re still hitting young people’s clubs at the solid age of 40+, then unfortunately you have become a “type” yourself – I know, I know, you’re in your prime (lol), but I remember those very few much older guys at the club when I was in my 20s. I’m not going to comment on them, to not offend anybody, sigh.

    Are you sure you’re not going through a midlife crisis? Sorry but that’s what it sounds like.

    Btw, speaking of hot Mediterranean studs, some women do like the men from the Balkans. I know someone, a married mother of two, who was really fed up with life, and super tired, so she went to visit this attractive guy in Croatia – this guy took her on a romantic week long boat tour, with just the two of them sailing the coastline of Croatia, that must’ve been awesome, but that is a very bold move. So, yes, there is some appeal there so I can totally see how your little nightlife stories can be real.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to derail the convo.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW

    You have been extremely critical of black women's looks so I was wondering what you think of the black women in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3zuuGav-Y

    For the record, I have never found Halle Berry to be attractive at all. However, I think she is absolutely beautiful in this video.

    Mya has always been a beauty. She looks like she is half white but apparently she is actually 100% American black


    And I'm not into guys, but Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid. This song really takes me back to the 90's

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Negronicus

  172. @QCIC
    @LatW

    I was referring to Kirill (Gundyayev). I know little about him. To me he is another strange figure in a strange world, though maybe not as strange as Biden, Zelensky, Erdogan, Trump, Netanyahu, Macron, Trudeau, Prigozhin and many, many others. We live in strange times.

    I think you people are cheerleading for World War Three based on your angry childish view of the world. That means I believe you are willfully trying to get a billion people killed and so you are doing the Devil's work.

    Don't forget that Putin's successor will likely be much less accepting of Western threats and may hold countries such as Ukraine more accountable.

    Replies: @LatW

    Don’t forget that Putin’s successor will likely be much less accepting of Western threats and may hold countries such as Ukraine more accountable.

    How the hell would you even know that.. for all we know, Patrushev might be in charge. Another retrograde old bloodthirsty weirdo who believes in anti-Western conspiracies.

    This could’ve been solved with a demilitarized zone (200kms) on BOTH sides (within Russia as well), but of course the Kremlin would have never agreed to that.

  173. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    What Russia asked for seemed perfectly reasonable and it would had avoided the war – all the other issues were negotiable and too fuzzy. Without the Nato expansion, the government couldn’t convince the public or the military to fight.
     
    AFAIK, Russia would have still been extremely paranoid about Western military cooperation with Ukraine even without the possibility of NATO expansion there. Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine, for instance, which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership. (This is why I don't believe that a Trump victory in 2020 would have prevented the Ukraine War. Even if Trump would have tried pulling the US out of NATO, if he would have tried to compensate for this by giving HIMARS, ATACAMS, et cetera to Ukraine, then this would have only likewise fueled Russian paranoia about US/Western intentions.)

    Also, I'm not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership. After all, Russia still can't be a superpower without Ukraine and just like Anatoly Karlin, a lot of Russians presumably expected the war to be over quickly and for Ukrainians to only offer scattered resistance at best. When you can easily increase your country's total population by 35 million (25 million Ukraine and 10 million Belarus), why not take it? Especially if you will correctly assume that your country can handle the subsequent Western sanctions that will be imposed on it fairly well. Russia has no other realistic ways of rapidly growing its population, after all. Massive non-white immigration is unacceptable to Russian nationalists and Russia won't get super-high quality immigrants anyway since those will prefer to immigrate to the Anglosphere/West instead. And Russians are unwilling to breed even at replacement levels, unlike Israeli Jews. Other than effective anti-aging technology, which we don't know when exactly will be developed, military expansion was perceived as the only realistic way to prevent further significant population decline in Russia over the next several decades.

    Anatoly Karlin was and is very much correct that Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem due to it blowing its 20th century demographic potential as a result of fighting a needless war for Serbia and then being severely brutalized by both Nazis and Communists over the next several decades.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership.

    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    I’m not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem…

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.
     
    You're assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn't, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.
     
    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig's reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people--as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don't always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.
     
    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok
     
    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.
     
    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn't. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.
     
    You're assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn't, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.
     
    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig's reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people--as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don't always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.
     
    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok
     
    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.
     
    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn't. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson without the Ukrainian military threatening their positions there*, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    *Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.
  174. @silviosilver
    @AP

    Not really sure what you mean by this. As in, it's somehow more "natural" to call something 90 degrees (F) than to call it 30 degrees (C)?

    I find Fahrenheit "wasteful." (Cbf thinking of a more suitable word.) There's too little difference in the degrees. Is it 109 today or 110? The difference is undetectable. Whereas in Celsius, if it's 6 degrees rather than 8 degrees, that to me is appreciably colder.

    Replies: @AP

    Not really sure what you mean by this. As in, it’s somehow more “natural” to call something 90 degrees (F) than to call it 30 degrees (C)?

    Fahrenheit is more detailed for the natural human range in which we exist. About 120 degrees (-10F to 110 F) captures the temperature that most of us will ever experience. In Celsius it’s 61 degrees for this range (-23C to + 38C).

    I find Fahrenheit “wasteful.” (Cbf thinking of a more suitable word.) There’s too little difference in the degrees. Is it 109 today or 110? The difference is undetectable.

    At the extremes it may be undetectable, but one can feel the difference between 71 and 72 degrees Fahrenheit, or 62 and 63 (people with different preferences and access to the same thermostat can concur). More precise is better, when it’s within the bounds of noticeability. Which it is.

    Whereas in Celsius, if it’s 6 degrees rather than 8 degrees, that to me is appreciably colder.

    Of course – that’s 42.8 F vs. 46.4 F.

  175. Speaking of weather, there is massive snowfall in Europe right now and there was a once in a 100 years storm in Crimea this week.

  176. @LatW
    @silviosilver


    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go – or rather, continue further down the track it’s already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly.
     
    Just to be fully clear - I do not approve of student / teacher sexual relationships, involving minors under 18, in that academic setting, I'm even skeptical of professor / university student relationships. I look down on those as well, even though I understand some of the appeal.

    And, of course, we have to protect the innocence, that goes without saying, there is also a category of children and youths that are at risk. From foster homes and such.

    But on this topic - yes, I agree that our society probably doesn't need any more sexualization, "empowerment" or laxity, however, I believe that these flings take place not because of some "societal background" or brainwashing or peer pressure - these flings happen naturally, from an occasional spark, from the warmth that is generated from being together, alone, in the same room. Maybe sometimes from teenage crushes. Not because someone said "this is good and this is the thing now". This has happened for millennia. My friend had a story like that about one of her female relatives who married someone very young while they were both in exile in Siberia, after they had been deported there.

    My problem is with over policing this kind of thing, to the detriment of women (and their children). Do you realize how crazy things must be if men dressed as women are allowed in women's bathrooms, but women are punished for a small fling?

    Oh come off it, in any “normal” school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), <it’s the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    How do you know it was the female teacher that initiated? You were not there, in every single one of these cases, and there is no data. The male / female dynamic is constant and always at play, regardless of the age. There can be various scenarios, but most likely the teacher was not the "predator". Possibly one of them initiated very lightly and the other one simply didn't reject. Most likely there was a warmth that built up over some time or maybe they even liked each other immediately.

    You seem to be bound by this stereotype that an older woman is always the "cougar", the one on the prowl. No, that's not the reality. Women get approached for casual sex by younger men all the time.

    Thank you for sharing all those personal details, you really didn't have to, but very candid. :) I don't doubt that you are attractive even in your ripe age of mid 40s. I, too, could provide a lot of self-flattering real life examples (if I felt that that proves anything about wider realities).

    But it's really not about you or I, the fact of life is that men are typically bolder about approaching, more open, more vocal about it. In some ways, more needy (both physically needy and emotionally in need of approval). For an attractive woman, it doesn't really take much to show she's interested, she doesn't even have to say anything, just look the man in the eyes a bit deeper, hold it for a couple of seconds longer and then look away (or look down) - he'll get the point immediately. Men typically don't need too much encouragement that way. An attractive woman that respects herself doesn't have to jump on some stud and slobber all over him in front of a nightclub.

    Sorry, silvio, just as friends (we're still "friends", right?), I'm starting to wonder what kind of women you're hanging around - again, I have no doubt you are a highly desired Mediterranean stud, but the ones you bring up sound like some easy type of chicks who got drunk at the bar and could pick up any guy who looks somewhat decent - you just happened to be there. :) Congrats. LOL

    Do you even realize what they meant when they said "we're on a tour"? These are slutty Northern Euro women who travel to exotic locations to have themselves entertained. "On a tour" means that you are not special but that they just as easily could've had another partner or will in another town.

    Some Northern Euro women sometimes go south for that, so they can slut it up in a foreign place where nobody knows them. They would not marry you or even date you seriously but most likely will go back home and eventually marry an English dude.

    Sweetie, if you're still hitting young people's clubs at the solid age of 40+, then unfortunately you have become a "type" yourself - I know, I know, you're in your prime (lol), but I remember those very few much older guys at the club when I was in my 20s. I'm not going to comment on them, to not offend anybody, sigh.

    Are you sure you're not going through a midlife crisis? Sorry but that's what it sounds like.

    Btw, speaking of hot Mediterranean studs, some women do like the men from the Balkans. I know someone, a married mother of two, who was really fed up with life, and super tired, so she went to visit this attractive guy in Croatia - this guy took her on a romantic week long boat tour, with just the two of them sailing the coastline of Croatia, that must've been awesome, but that is a very bold move. So, yes, there is some appeal there so I can totally see how your little nightlife stories can be real.

    Sorry, didn't mean to derail the convo.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    You have been extremely critical of black women’s looks so I was wondering what you think of the black women in this video:

    For the record, I have never found Halle Berry to be attractive at all. However, I think she is absolutely beautiful in this video.

    Mya has always been a beauty. She looks like she is half white but apparently she is actually 100% American black

    And I’m not into guys, but Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid. This song really takes me back to the 90’s

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Both of those women are whores. You would never know about them except they traded their puss to get into your attention space.

    This girl is hot. Also she is 18 in the photo. She might not look so hot in 10 years.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/US_Open_2022_Photo_177_%2852391301928%29_%28Gauff%29.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @LatW
    @Greasy William


    You have been extremely critical of black women’s looks
     
    How so? I have complained that the ads changed overnight, but that's not a criticism of the black women's looks specifically (who am I to criticize that?) but the intentions of the advertisers to push their silly agenda.

    I don't judge black women, it's not my place to do so plus they have been put in an unfair situation, even if many of them are objectively good looking (impressive body, too).

    When it comes to women, my preference is blondes (in men - someone with a dark or dark reddish beard and pale skin or a typical Northern Euro dark blonde, supposedly boring, as some say, but it's close to home). If you want to see my fave female look, google Simona Starkute (although she is already too thin).

    The women in the video you posted are very attractive, I agree, but they are quite "light skinned", as they say (so I don't think that's a fair representation of the full beauty of the African woman). And how tall are they? Btw, purely looks based, I kind of like Rihanna (facially, not the body). Also, Ciara is very beautiful, too.

    Some of these black celebrities might be ok looking, but they are too vulgar (although some can be good dancers, like Doja Cat, who is also a bit of an interesting weirdo, see below, that's her dancing).

    Didn't I say that Iman is stunningly beautiful? So no, I wonder why you'd say I was critical of black women's looks, that's not true.

    Halle Berry
     
    She has a slightly childlike, playful beauty, very warm, delicate and graceful look. Her daughter Nahla (with that French model) looks interesting and quite angelic (but they don't like to show her to the public, understandably so). And is Mya even "black"?


    Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid
     
    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks. LOL Chris Brown used to be ok looking, but then again, he ruined his looks (and he's mixed with Hispanic or Native American).

    Don't you just love this doll:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6Ccxx2J2W3s

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Negronicus
    @Greasy William

    There's no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low's dirty money. (Btw, "YO LO"?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away. Politics be harder than it looks.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  177. @silviosilver
    @LatW


    one can be together with a “horny young stud” even without being a teacher.
     
    Thanks for taking me literally - and bonus points for pointing out the obvious! :) :)

    I was deliberately exaggerating to suggest a general direction society could go - or rather, continue further down the track it's already travelling, in which nearly everything is made about sex, directly (increasingly) or indirectly. And the sense I meant my comment to be in was "don't knock teaching, it's not as boring as you think - think of all the horny young studs you'll have commanding access to."


    just because she succumbed to flirtations of some young, sexually assertive (and most likely persistent) stud, and then have her possibly incarcerated, – if a society does that, that society can say “bye bye” to normalcy and justice
     
    Oh come off it, in any "normal" school such as you or I would know (might be different in black ghetto schools), it's the teacher who would have initiated, even indirectly through a series of highly suggestive come-ons. I imagine some enjoy the role of older experienced guide to a young fellow.

    And it is typically women who get approached, not vice versa (even by younger guys).
     
    It's happened (happens, I guess) to me fairly often (not every time I go out, duh, but enough). (Of course, I agree these are the exceptions that prove the rule.) Boastful personal anecdote time! A couple of months ago I was having a smoke(I'm not smoker, but I enjoy lighting up when I'm drunk, hate it otherwise), a girl asked me for a cigarette for her friend, and it was my last one. She said to her friend, "oh, you can't take his last one!", but I insisted "nah, go on have it - I'm feeling generous." And she then said to her friend, "you owe him a kiss for that!" The girl moved right in and kissed me on the lips, and her friend said loudly "come on, that's not kiss!" And she moved right back in again and tongued me down. I think I asked her something later about what they were doing and she answered "we're on tour." I briefly took it mean they're minor celebrity singers or something - and quickly checked her out to see if I recognized her - but then I figured she meant they're on vacation (she was from NZ, the friend England). They were staying in a hotel nearby, and it all ended quite nicely. :) (Pretty hot slim blonde too! Didn't even ask her how old - in case my age came up - but I'd guess no more than late 20s. That was the most direct approach I've experienced since I was nineteen, when I'd just walked into a club and some girl came up behind me and put her arms around me. After a little while, she turned me around to face her "so you can have a look at me," and sort of ran her hands down her side. (She was good!) Had nothing really close to that direct since then.)

    I'm normally very sociable, strike up convos with people all the time. Tonight, I was ridiculously tongue-tied. There's this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I've seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn't help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I'm making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

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    There’s this sexy shorter-haired (not boyish) blonde who I’ve seen a few times before at this club and wanted to approach. Tonight she was standing right next to me with her friends for the longest time, and goddammit, I just could not bring myself to say anything, and the longer it went on the more awkward I felt. Didn’t help that she seemed to know everyone, so many people stopped to chat with her while she was next to me. Argh! I’m making it a mission to at least talk to her next time I see her.

    Sounds like she is well liked so you’ll have competition. Especially if she’s in her 20s or early 30s. If she’s in her 20s, you’ll have competition even while you’re dating her (it won’t be that stable).

  178. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    You have been extremely critical of black women's looks so I was wondering what you think of the black women in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3zuuGav-Y

    For the record, I have never found Halle Berry to be attractive at all. However, I think she is absolutely beautiful in this video.

    Mya has always been a beauty. She looks like she is half white but apparently she is actually 100% American black


    And I'm not into guys, but Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid. This song really takes me back to the 90's

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Negronicus

    Both of those women are whores. You would never know about them except they traded their puss to get into your attention space.

    This girl is hot. Also she is 18 in the photo. She might not look so hot in 10 years.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Both of those women are whores
     
    You could say the same for every other white female entertainer too (except for Taylor, Gal and Kiera, of course). So what?

    This girl is hot
     
    Who is? I'm not really into black girls although I agree she has aesthetic features.

    She might not look so hot in 10 years.
     
    Black don't crack. White women are the world's most beautiful in their primes, but white women don't age nearly as gracefully as Black and Asian women do.
  179. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Both of those women are whores. You would never know about them except they traded their puss to get into your attention space.

    This girl is hot. Also she is 18 in the photo. She might not look so hot in 10 years.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/US_Open_2022_Photo_177_%2852391301928%29_%28Gauff%29.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Both of those women are whores

    You could say the same for every other white female entertainer too (except for Taylor, Gal and Kiera, of course). So what?

    This girl is hot

    Who is? I’m not really into black girls although I agree she has aesthetic features.

    She might not look so hot in 10 years.

    Black don’t crack. White women are the world’s most beautiful in their primes, but white women don’t age nearly as gracefully as Black and Asian women do.

  180. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    RUSSIA STILL HASN’T ADVANCED 50MI INTO UKRAINE”

    When Germany surrendered in WW1, nowhere were Allied troops on German soil.
     

    And when Russia collapsed in revolution in 1917, its forces were actually advancing.

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop - their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop – their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

    I’m curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse. Some old people and sick people would stay behind, so all Russia would gain would be pensioners and patients, plus land and destroyed buildings, and sanctions against Russia would never be lifted, so even in this great victory, the war would have been a giant net negative for Russia. This is why Russia attempted a quick takeover, and why once that failed, Russia’s best option was to just give up, cut its losses, and return to its border.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Cesar1191


    I’m curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse.
     
    I agree. Though the chances of a complete military collapse and Russian takeover are probably under 1%. Not zero, but extremely unlikely.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can't be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There's a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new "Russian" Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

  181. Let’s pretend for the moment we don’t know who is this, but you couldn’t do better picture perfect “white power” visual advertisment even if you tried it for the purpose, lol

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death

    Hahah, great catch! They even have what looks like a husky - a true "white power" doggie. Should give them Norse names such as Ymir or Fenrir. lol

  182. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    You have been extremely critical of black women's looks so I was wondering what you think of the black women in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3zuuGav-Y

    For the record, I have never found Halle Berry to be attractive at all. However, I think she is absolutely beautiful in this video.

    Mya has always been a beauty. She looks like she is half white but apparently she is actually 100% American black


    And I'm not into guys, but Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid. This song really takes me back to the 90's

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Negronicus

    You have been extremely critical of black women’s looks

    How so? I have complained that the ads changed overnight, but that’s not a criticism of the black women’s looks specifically (who am I to criticize that?) but the intentions of the advertisers to push their silly agenda.

    [MORE]

    I don’t judge black women, it’s not my place to do so plus they have been put in an unfair situation, even if many of them are objectively good looking (impressive body, too).

    When it comes to women, my preference is blondes (in men – someone with a dark or dark reddish beard and pale skin or a typical Northern Euro dark blonde, supposedly boring, as some say, but it’s close to home). If you want to see my fave female look, google Simona Starkute (although she is already too thin).

    The women in the video you posted are very attractive, I agree, but they are quite “light skinned”, as they say (so I don’t think that’s a fair representation of the full beauty of the African woman). And how tall are they? Btw, purely looks based, I kind of like Rihanna (facially, not the body). Also, Ciara is very beautiful, too.

    Some of these black celebrities might be ok looking, but they are too vulgar (although some can be good dancers, like Doja Cat, who is also a bit of an interesting weirdo, see below, that’s her dancing).

    Didn’t I say that Iman is stunningly beautiful? So no, I wonder why you’d say I was critical of black women’s looks, that’s not true.

    Halle Berry

    She has a slightly childlike, playful beauty, very warm, delicate and graceful look. Her daughter Nahla (with that French model) looks interesting and quite angelic (but they don’t like to show her to the public, understandably so). And is Mya even “black”?

    Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid

    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks. LOL Chris Brown used to be ok looking, but then again, he ruined his looks (and he’s mixed with Hispanic or Native American).

    Don’t you just love this doll:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6Ccxx2J2W3s

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    How so?
     
    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women

    Simona Starkute
     
    Too tall, too thin, too plain. If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.


    Iman
     
    Somali, not a real black. American politician Ilan Omar is another attractive Somali. Somalis in general are a very good looking nation. Even that horrible "Myron Gaines" guy from the Fresh and the Fit podcast is handsome.

    I kind of like Rihanna
     
    Never thought she was attractive

    like Doja Cat
     
    Doja is a self hating, mentally ill, half breed who larps as a black woman despite her obvious preference for white men. American blacks don't accept her as a "sistah".

    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks.
     
    I've just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome

    And is Mya even “black”?
     
    I always thought she was half white, but apparently both of her parents are black. In the video she demonstrates that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.

    Ashanti is another black girl I've always been partial too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSyoU8JR2k

    Replies: @LatW

  183. @sudden death
    Let's pretend for the moment we don't know who is this, but you couldn't do better picture perfect "white power" visual advertisment even if you tried it for the purpose, lol

    https://gavinnewsom.com/wp-content/uploads/FHeaTOaVIAU4S3u.jpeg

    Replies: @LatW

    Hahah, great catch! They even have what looks like a husky – a true “white power” doggie. Should give them Norse names such as Ymir or Fenrir. lol

  184. @Cesar1191
    @AP


    In both cases the homeland was not threatened by invaders, as Ukraine is. It is more likely that Russia would “collapse” during a stalemate than that Ukraine would. If Ukrainian forces stop – their wives, sisters or daughters have a risk of getting raped by Russians and Chechens, veterans at home getting rounded up and executed, their homes of getting looted. People know what the Russians did in Bucha, Kharkiv oblast, etc. If Russian forces stop, the Russians just go home. Who is more likely to just stop fighting?

     

    I'm curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse. Some old people and sick people would stay behind, so all Russia would gain would be pensioners and patients, plus land and destroyed buildings, and sanctions against Russia would never be lifted, so even in this great victory, the war would have been a giant net negative for Russia. This is why Russia attempted a quick takeover, and why once that failed, Russia's best option was to just give up, cut its losses, and return to its border.

    Replies: @AP

    I’m curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse.

    I agree. Though the chances of a complete military collapse and Russian takeover are probably under 1%. Not zero, but extremely unlikely.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can’t be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There’s a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new “Russian” Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    Russians are going to keep the four oblasts they have annexed plus Crimea, so no Ukrainian leader can agree to stop fighting .

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?
     
    Worth noting that there is also a very real risk of rump independent western Ukraine eventually getting the Gaza treatment at Russian hands in such a scenario due to Russia eventually getting severely fed up with all of the (morally justifiable or at least morally ambiguous) terrorism that western Ukraine will be launching against it. Israel was able to tolerate Hamas rule in Gaza for over 15 years but eventually got severely fed up with Hamas after the extremely massive October 7 massacre and mass hostage-taking.

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.
     
    Sounds about right, frankly. If Russia keeps Mariupol and Melitopol, do you think that a lot of Russians will move over there over the next several decades? It's rather sunny there, no? At least relative to the rest of Russia, other than places like Sochi and Gelendzhik, which should be warmer.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can’t be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There’s a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new “Russian” Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.
     
    Might there be a sizable minority (say, 25-ish %) who would be willing to stay even under Russian rule even if they won't like it due to their attachment to their cities? About 1/4 of Kherson's population stayed back when it was under Russian rule, IIRC. A nationalist usually is at least somewhat attached to one's homeland, no? Most Poles did not emigrate during the 100+ years that Poland was partitioned and not an independent state, for instance. Not even close, I would suspect.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP, @Cesar1191

    , @Cesar1191
    @AP


    I agree. Though the chances of a complete military collapse and Russian takeover are probably under 1%. Not zero, but extremely unlikely.

     

    So you don't think that if the US stops helping Ukraine, it would cause a Ukrainian collapse?

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

     

    Also, Ukrainians could probably make a deal with some European countries in order to gain semi-autonomous cities and regions where they could pass on their language and culture. I remember the Danish government thinking about a city for Ukrainian refugees, if the influx was too large, so how difficult would it be to convince the Danish government to give a city with linguistic autonomy for 300 thousand Ukrainians or something like that? Ukrainians are desirable immigrants, many people in the EU see them as a good counterbalance to undesirable immigrants brought by bad immigration policy in the past, and Ukrainians have a lot of sympathy due to the Russian attack, and would have enormous sympathy in the event of a Russian conquest, so I think some European governments would be willing to give some autonomy to Ukrainians so that the nation could be preserved.

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

     

    How stable would this situation be though? Unless this independent Western Ukraine got some protection, it seems to me that the region would also become depopulated. Certainly the prospect of living in an eternal war with Russia and always being bombed would not be attractive.

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

  185. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    You have been extremely critical of black women’s looks
     
    How so? I have complained that the ads changed overnight, but that's not a criticism of the black women's looks specifically (who am I to criticize that?) but the intentions of the advertisers to push their silly agenda.

    I don't judge black women, it's not my place to do so plus they have been put in an unfair situation, even if many of them are objectively good looking (impressive body, too).

    When it comes to women, my preference is blondes (in men - someone with a dark or dark reddish beard and pale skin or a typical Northern Euro dark blonde, supposedly boring, as some say, but it's close to home). If you want to see my fave female look, google Simona Starkute (although she is already too thin).

    The women in the video you posted are very attractive, I agree, but they are quite "light skinned", as they say (so I don't think that's a fair representation of the full beauty of the African woman). And how tall are they? Btw, purely looks based, I kind of like Rihanna (facially, not the body). Also, Ciara is very beautiful, too.

    Some of these black celebrities might be ok looking, but they are too vulgar (although some can be good dancers, like Doja Cat, who is also a bit of an interesting weirdo, see below, that's her dancing).

    Didn't I say that Iman is stunningly beautiful? So no, I wonder why you'd say I was critical of black women's looks, that's not true.

    Halle Berry
     
    She has a slightly childlike, playful beauty, very warm, delicate and graceful look. Her daughter Nahla (with that French model) looks interesting and quite angelic (but they don't like to show her to the public, understandably so). And is Mya even "black"?


    Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid
     
    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks. LOL Chris Brown used to be ok looking, but then again, he ruined his looks (and he's mixed with Hispanic or Native American).

    Don't you just love this doll:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6Ccxx2J2W3s

    Replies: @Greasy William

    How so?

    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women

    Simona Starkute

    Too tall, too thin, too plain. If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.

    [MORE]

    Iman

    Somali, not a real black. American politician Ilan Omar is another attractive Somali. Somalis in general are a very good looking nation. Even that horrible “Myron Gaines” guy from the Fresh and the Fit podcast is handsome.

    I kind of like Rihanna

    Never thought she was attractive

    like Doja Cat

    Doja is a self hating, mentally ill, half breed who larps as a black woman despite her obvious preference for white men. American blacks don’t accept her as a “sistah”.

    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks.

    I’ve just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome

    And is Mya even “black”?

    I always thought she was half white, but apparently both of her parents are black. In the video she demonstrates that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.

    Ashanti is another black girl I’ve always been partial too:

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women
     
    Oh, ok, I remember, I think I know what you meant (Swedish guys specifically), but as I already mentioned back then, this is not their first preference and "many" is probably a bit of an overstatement.

    If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.
     
    Those are attractive, and there are a lot of beautiful ones with that look, but there is a certain look I like. I don't like too angular such as the classic Nordic look (even if that can be beautiful) or too baby faced (such as E.Slavic), but something in between (the Baltic and Northern Poland look).

    Too tall, too thin, too plain.
     
    She's tall (178cms) but not too tall, but, yes, she is too thin, due to her occupation. I also wish she were more curvaceous (but not too much) and maybe a bit more athletic. Then she would be an ideal Baltic Goddess. She is not plain when she is a bit glamorized (dark blond with light blond highlights), I just like her features which are familiar and symmetrical.

    Somalis in general are a very good looking nation
     
    Agree, they're symmetrical. I think there are some E.African races that are tall, slender, symmetrical. But you know...


    Doja [..] American blacks don’t accept her as a “sistah”.
     
    You're right, I wouldn't have thought of her as "black" just purely based on looks, just her style, it's hard to say what race she is, I wonder what she puts on the documents as her race. Yes, she is a bit of a weirdo, I hope she's ok.

    I’ve just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome
     
    Hahahaha! No idea, I've never checked them out. :)

    Ashanti is very cute, but maybe a bit too baby faced (paedomorph).

    that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.
     
    Some Ukrainian women can do it.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  186. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    How so?
     
    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women

    Simona Starkute
     
    Too tall, too thin, too plain. If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.


    Iman
     
    Somali, not a real black. American politician Ilan Omar is another attractive Somali. Somalis in general are a very good looking nation. Even that horrible "Myron Gaines" guy from the Fresh and the Fit podcast is handsome.

    I kind of like Rihanna
     
    Never thought she was attractive

    like Doja Cat
     
    Doja is a self hating, mentally ill, half breed who larps as a black woman despite her obvious preference for white men. American blacks don't accept her as a "sistah".

    Sorry, all due respect, but no thanks.
     
    I've just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome

    And is Mya even “black”?
     
    I always thought she was half white, but apparently both of her parents are black. In the video she demonstrates that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.

    Ashanti is another black girl I've always been partial too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSyoU8JR2k

    Replies: @LatW

    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women

    Oh, ok, I remember, I think I know what you meant (Swedish guys specifically), but as I already mentioned back then, this is not their first preference and “many” is probably a bit of an overstatement.

    [MORE]

    If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.

    Those are attractive, and there are a lot of beautiful ones with that look, but there is a certain look I like. I don’t like too angular such as the classic Nordic look (even if that can be beautiful) or too baby faced (such as E.Slavic), but something in between (the Baltic and Northern Poland look).

    Too tall, too thin, too plain.

    She’s tall (178cms) but not too tall, but, yes, she is too thin, due to her occupation. I also wish she were more curvaceous (but not too much) and maybe a bit more athletic. Then she would be an ideal Baltic Goddess. She is not plain when she is a bit glamorized (dark blond with light blond highlights), I just like her features which are familiar and symmetrical.

    Somalis in general are a very good looking nation

    Agree, they’re symmetrical. I think there are some E.African races that are tall, slender, symmetrical. But you know…

    Doja [..] American blacks don’t accept her as a “sistah”.

    You’re right, I wouldn’t have thought of her as “black” just purely based on looks, just her style, it’s hard to say what race she is, I wonder what she puts on the documents as her race. Yes, she is a bit of a weirdo, I hope she’s ok.

    I’ve just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome

    Hahahaha! No idea, I’ve never checked them out. 🙂

    Ashanti is very cute, but maybe a bit too baby faced (paedomorph).

    that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.

    Some Ukrainian women can do it.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Some Ukrainian women can do it.
     
    Glad they at least got something out of all those Turkish slave raids

    She’s tall (178cms)
     
    I'm a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go and even that is only to make room for Clara Fernandez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDz7ywsU-B8&t

    If it wasn't for Clara, I would say that 174 is the highest I could accept

    Replies: @LatW

  187. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    You seemed offended when I pointed out that many Nordic men are very attracted to black women
     
    Oh, ok, I remember, I think I know what you meant (Swedish guys specifically), but as I already mentioned back then, this is not their first preference and "many" is probably a bit of an overstatement.

    If you like the tall blonde look I would suggest prime Heidi Klum or Karolina Witowska as much better examples. Paulina Gretzky, too.
     
    Those are attractive, and there are a lot of beautiful ones with that look, but there is a certain look I like. I don't like too angular such as the classic Nordic look (even if that can be beautiful) or too baby faced (such as E.Slavic), but something in between (the Baltic and Northern Poland look).

    Too tall, too thin, too plain.
     
    She's tall (178cms) but not too tall, but, yes, she is too thin, due to her occupation. I also wish she were more curvaceous (but not too much) and maybe a bit more athletic. Then she would be an ideal Baltic Goddess. She is not plain when she is a bit glamorized (dark blond with light blond highlights), I just like her features which are familiar and symmetrical.

    Somalis in general are a very good looking nation
     
    Agree, they're symmetrical. I think there are some E.African races that are tall, slender, symmetrical. But you know...


    Doja [..] American blacks don’t accept her as a “sistah”.
     
    You're right, I wouldn't have thought of her as "black" just purely based on looks, just her style, it's hard to say what race she is, I wonder what she puts on the documents as her race. Yes, she is a bit of a weirdo, I hope she's ok.

    I’ve just always thought that Haitian men are very handsome
     
    Hahahaha! No idea, I've never checked them out. :)

    Ashanti is very cute, but maybe a bit too baby faced (paedomorph).

    that super smooth body movement that only black women are capable of.
     
    Some Ukrainian women can do it.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Some Ukrainian women can do it.

    Glad they at least got something out of all those Turkish slave raids

    She’s tall (178cms)

    I’m a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go and even that is only to make room for Clara Fernandez:

    If it wasn’t for Clara, I would say that 174 is the highest I could accept

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’m a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go
     
    I understand, but you shouldn't even worry about that, there are a ton of petite women in this world, especially Jewish and Latinas, or Arab, which is your preference anyway.

    Those Asian girls look super stiff. And yet it's not even the German robotic stiff type of dance. Maybe they can do the EBM dance better, which I doubt (Whites do it best).

    The difference is, no matter how great such girls can dance, it is clearly something that they have to work towards. Black women just move that way naturally.
     

    That's totally ok, White women aren't supposed to gyrate like Black women do (it can actually be unseemly sometimes). There are White women (and men) who do have plasticity and some who don't. Whites move gracefully, with some plasticity. Sorry, didn't know this was some kind of a competition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

  188. Glad they at least got something out of all those Turkish slave raids

    It’s not because of that.

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    It’s because they are quite lithe, they try hard and they live in an environment where it’s rewarded. It has nothing to do with Turks. Some of our women can even do it if they try hard enough. If you go to a club in the UK or Ireland, you can see who is Eastern European by how they dance, E.Euros are better dancers typically.

  189. If you go to a club in the UK or Ireland, you can see who is Eastern European by how they dance, E.Euros are better dancers typically.

    Being a better dancer than an Anglo girl isn’t much of an accomplishment

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    It’s because they are quite lithe, they try hard and they live in an environment where it’s rewarded.

    I know what you are talking about. Asian girls can do the same thing:

    The difference is, no matter how great such girls can dance, it is clearly something that they have to work towards. Black women just move that way naturally. I doubt Mya ever took a single dance lesson in her entire life.

  190. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Some Ukrainian women can do it.
     
    Glad they at least got something out of all those Turkish slave raids

    She’s tall (178cms)
     
    I'm a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go and even that is only to make room for Clara Fernandez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDz7ywsU-B8&t

    If it wasn't for Clara, I would say that 174 is the highest I could accept

    Replies: @LatW

    I’m a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go

    I understand, but you shouldn’t even worry about that, there are a ton of petite women in this world, especially Jewish and Latinas, or Arab, which is your preference anyway.

    [MORE]

    Those Asian girls look super stiff. And yet it’s not even the German robotic stiff type of dance. Maybe they can do the EBM dance better, which I doubt (Whites do it best).

    The difference is, no matter how great such girls can dance, it is clearly something that they have to work towards. Black women just move that way naturally.

    That’s totally ok, White women aren’t supposed to gyrate like Black women do (it can actually be unseemly sometimes). There are White women (and men) who do have plasticity and some who don’t. Whites move gracefully, with some plasticity. Sorry, didn’t know this was some kind of a competition.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I wouldn't say it's a competition, per se, it's just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses. Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @A123
    @LatW

    Prioritize the ability to provide over watch. Some Girl Scout merit badges are better than others.

    PEACE 😇



    https://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/119008/The_Merit_Badge_by_mjranum-723x1024.jpg
     

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/36/3d/1d/363d1d0facf896217bb778da9af36c8a--guns-girls-poison.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

  191. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’m a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go
     
    I understand, but you shouldn't even worry about that, there are a ton of petite women in this world, especially Jewish and Latinas, or Arab, which is your preference anyway.

    Those Asian girls look super stiff. And yet it's not even the German robotic stiff type of dance. Maybe they can do the EBM dance better, which I doubt (Whites do it best).

    The difference is, no matter how great such girls can dance, it is clearly something that they have to work towards. Black women just move that way naturally.
     

    That's totally ok, White women aren't supposed to gyrate like Black women do (it can actually be unseemly sometimes). There are White women (and men) who do have plasticity and some who don't. Whites move gracefully, with some plasticity. Sorry, didn't know this was some kind of a competition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    I wouldn’t say it’s a competition, per se, it’s just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses. Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I wouldn’t say it’s a competition, per se, it’s just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses.
     
    Agree.

    Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.
     
    That's right, they invented the boomerang. Indigenous groups have amazing strengths, apparently the Inuit have a multitude of words to describe the different states of snow. I've never liked how the Australian Aborigines have been treated, as well as other indigenous peoples (Native Americans, the Chukchi).

    It seems like some non-Whites are almost privileged, while others are treated with indifference.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  192. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I wouldn't say it's a competition, per se, it's just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses. Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.

    Replies: @LatW

    I wouldn’t say it’s a competition, per se, it’s just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses.

    Agree.

    Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.

    That’s right, they invented the boomerang. Indigenous groups have amazing strengths, apparently the Inuit have a multitude of words to describe the different states of snow. I’ve never liked how the Australian Aborigines have been treated, as well as other indigenous peoples (Native Americans, the Chukchi).

    It seems like some non-Whites are almost privileged, while others are treated with indifference.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack

  193. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    He probably doesn't understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Climate is a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anybody would like rainy weather in the upper 30s or lower 40s. But I would easily trade snowy 20s and low 30s for 6 months of southern Arizona summers, which are basically unbearable for me. Winter is beautiful, if it isn't too harsh.

    That's why I am not living in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas probably has the best climate in the desert Southwest: unbearably hot for only 4 months a year (mid-May to mid-September). Then pleasant summer weather for 5 months a year, pleasant mild autumnal weather for 2 months a year, and about a month's worth of unpleasantly cold autumnal weather in January-February. Almost never rains, but windy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    I’ve never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer! I’m only able to getaway for a month to cooler climes right now, but when I’m fully retired in a few years I’ll be trying to stay away for 3-4 months.

    The winters here are really great. I’ve made a study of it and can tell you unequivocally that the winters in Phoenix are even nicer than in San Diego (which aren’t bad). A little warmer and not as cloudy as in San Diego. I don’t know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it’s much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix. I used to sit next to a guy at work, an accountant actually originally from Minneapolis, that told me a lot about his adventures living in Las Vegas. Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts…..even on the edge of town.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I’ve never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer!
     
    I briefly passed through Phoenix in May - the heat was already really unpleasant. So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so - one must spend all one's time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.

    Obviously if you can arrange your life to spend half the year elsewhere it doesn't matter.

    I don’t know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it’s much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix.
     
    Las Vegas is both less humid and cooler than Phoenix. This mean that the intolerably hot part of summer is about two months shorter. 3-4 months rather than 5-6.

    It also means that Vegas has a real autumn, from December to February, a generally nice season of mild jacket weather and a break from summer. No winter though.

    So 9 months a year of pleasant weather, versus only 6-7 in Phoenix.

    Of course, some of us like winters too. The absence of this in Las Vegas is a bad thing. Mt. Charleston isn't enough (it's an hour from the city, and has a ski resort).

    Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts
     
    It can attract some weird transient characters. Not many people stay for life or put down generational roots; this is a negative.

    The population itself is a very diverse mix.

    You have a base population of Western cowboys and Mormons (very different peoples), then add working class East coasters (lots of thick New York accents) who make great money in construction or as casino dealers and bartenders, East Asians (they love the gambling), Hawaiians for some reason, middle class refugees fleeing high taxes in southern California, Mexicans, and retirees.

    You have the spectacular nature of the American Southwest, but with discos and restaurants and opportunities to see entertainers such as in a major city like New York or Toronto. Quality not quite at the level of those places, but still impressive.

    Unfortunately the cityscape is massive uniform sprawl - subdivisions and gated communities behind fences. Not terrible, with the Mediterranean tile roofs and stucco walls, and not poor, but it gets very boring to look at after a few months because it all looks the same. But beyond the sprawl - mountains.

    https://summerlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Summerlin-Road-To-Red-Rock-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  194. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I wouldn’t say it’s a competition, per se, it’s just that different population groups have different strengths and weaknesses.
     
    Agree.

    Even the much maligned Australian Aborigines have the best directional intelligence of any other human population group.
     
    That's right, they invented the boomerang. Indigenous groups have amazing strengths, apparently the Inuit have a multitude of words to describe the different states of snow. I've never liked how the Australian Aborigines have been treated, as well as other indigenous peoples (Native Americans, the Chukchi).

    It seems like some non-Whites are almost privileged, while others are treated with indifference.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.
     
    I don't know about bugs (actually, I do know - I'll pass, although just to let you know - some Northern Euro lake shellfish aren't that appetizing either), but when it comes to raw seal meat - that will actually earn points in my book. I actually consider that safe and nutritious - not advising this and I don't feed it to my family, but I do eat raw ground grass fed beef and ground buffalo meat (bison), when it's very fresh. Not a lot but at least a 100 grams every other week. So kudos to the Eskimos, they have eaten seal blubber for millennia, they make seal blubber ice cream.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Potatoes, like eggs and butter before it, are now considered healthy to eat. Besides potassium, they're full of other healthy nutrients too. I know a guy, 91 years old who lived only on the rare found potato for a whole year during the 1930's in Ukraine. He still really enjoys eating potatoes!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  195. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’m a smurf, only 176. So I am more sensitive than most guys to women being too tall. 176 is the absolute highest I can go
     
    I understand, but you shouldn't even worry about that, there are a ton of petite women in this world, especially Jewish and Latinas, or Arab, which is your preference anyway.

    Those Asian girls look super stiff. And yet it's not even the German robotic stiff type of dance. Maybe they can do the EBM dance better, which I doubt (Whites do it best).

    The difference is, no matter how great such girls can dance, it is clearly something that they have to work towards. Black women just move that way naturally.
     

    That's totally ok, White women aren't supposed to gyrate like Black women do (it can actually be unseemly sometimes). There are White women (and men) who do have plasticity and some who don't. Whites move gracefully, with some plasticity. Sorry, didn't know this was some kind of a competition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Prioritize the ability to provide over watch. Some Girl Scout merit badges are better than others.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]


     

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    It's all good, multi-tasking at its finest. :)

  196. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack

    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.

    I don’t know about bugs (actually, I do know – I’ll pass, although just to let you know – some Northern Euro lake shellfish aren’t that appetizing either), but when it comes to raw seal meat – that will actually earn points in my book. I actually consider that safe and nutritious – not advising this and I don’t feed it to my family, but I do eat raw ground grass fed beef and ground buffalo meat (bison), when it’s very fresh. Not a lot but at least a 100 grams every other week. So kudos to the Eskimos, they have eaten seal blubber for millennia, they make seal blubber ice cream.

  197. @A123
    @LatW

    Prioritize the ability to provide over watch. Some Girl Scout merit badges are better than others.

    PEACE 😇



    https://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/119008/The_Merit_Badge_by_mjranum-723x1024.jpg
     

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/36/3d/1d/363d1d0facf896217bb778da9af36c8a--guns-girls-poison.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    It’s all good, multi-tasking at its finest. 🙂

  198. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership.
     
    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    I’m not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership.
     
    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem...
     
    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly - Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the "not enough people" mantra - for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    You’re assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn’t, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig’s reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people–as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don’t always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok

    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn’t. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.
     
    "Did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson"? Did I miss something, they ultimately had to retreat from it, losing control after many months of nominally holding it?

    Did you miss something, didn't you see any of the many videos showing locals protesting their captors presence in their town, at times even being brazen about their displeasure, and taunting the tanks that were parked in the middle of town??...

    https://youtu.be/_RNCcrs8N5c

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...You’re assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once.
     
    No, but they can hit enough of them. That's all that matters - wars are messy, not black and white.

    Wars are divisive - reasons matter mostly among the elites. If Nato had stated that Ukraine will not be in Nato, that they changed their mind, even as late as January 2022, the war would probably be avoided. This was a close call, Russians are not warmongers and they know their limits - if Zelko or Biden had the balls to read a statement "after serious consideration we don't think that Ukraine in Nato is a good idea", the odds are that Russia would hold back. They would ask for guarantees and bring up other less serious issues - but the lives would be saved. But the West can neither think nor fight, they don't even know how to play the game. (At least pretend for God's sake, is that so hard?)


    Russians strike me as a rather passive people–as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don’t always agree with it.
     
    Riiight. Just like the Americans, Brits, Germans (famously conformist!), Swedes, Ukies, Israelis, Poles, Turks, Czechs...Canadians?...I can go on. Did you also just discover that earth is flat?

    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people.
     
    What great things? Conquer more lands? Have economies of scale? 100 million is enough. The quality of European and American people has dropped precipitously as the numbers grew - what is it good for? More people eating garbage food and playing videos? Are you saying that one billion would be even better? What for? Geniuses are rare and random, most geniuses are never known - why would flooding a place with hundreds of millions additional people make it better? Think.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  199. @LatW
    @songbird


    Men used to marry, when they were 14.
     
    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?) or maybe somewhere in our wonderful Slavlands.

    In the South, too, they are crazy that way about youths (do you remember that part in the Godfather book where a mother brings her own 12 year old daughter to some mafia boss? I was pretty shocked when I read that, myself a teenager at the time. Maybe it was made up... I hope.)

    But it's not so much that way where I'm from or in Central Europe. Although it may have been different in different eras. Northerns mature slower. Even if it shouldn't be as slow as these days... it's not natural. Actually, 19 is a great age to marry, for both sexes.

    Although they were sent off to war at pretty young ages which is majorly messed up (and which I really hate). Especially in WW1 (but not as young as 14, more like 17-18). I read a story about a 15 year old boy in WW2 who was throwing panzerfaust at Soviet tanks, but he was an outlier. Teenagers could die while guarding military equipment.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days. Although we have the story of Peter Pan, I'm sure there's something to it. :)

    Btw, have you heard about the explosion at the Allegheny Arsenal? You having Irish roots, you might know about this. I was totally shocked when I first read about it, I didn't know there were female civilian victims during the Civil War. And those were mostly Catholic girls, so most likely working class Irish girls. How all these horrible wars are fought at the expense of the young...

    bang your teacher (14, to be generous)
     
    The boy's instinct to "bang" shows earlier than I thought. I was shocked, frankly, it's a bit disturbing even if hilarious (before I became a mother, I thought it only starts at around 13-14). We should protect their innocence. The other day I thought that maybe boys become sexual very early while at the same time their cognitive abilities, impulse control takes longer to get established (up to their 20s), while girls might mature slower sexually, but faster mentally. Girls may have sexual or romantic thoughts quite early, but they are not mentally ready to act out on them, while boys probably are. Just a thought, I might be wrong.

    Boy embryos get miscarried more often, and boy infant mortality is higher, maybe boys are just more volatile as biological beings? Maybe it's the active sex which is also more prone to being discarded? Or more at risk in some ways.

    The testosterone starts appearing in the 10 week of gestation.

    Btw, most young boys are not at all lewd (maybe only among themselves sometimes), there are some very well behaved 18 and even 19 year old virgins out there. The even younger ones are completely pure and innocent. Tbh, I don't know how boys and young men can take all the overly sexualized images in today's world (and even some girls' attire), I would go crazy.

    a good-looking young woman, you probably shouldn’t be spending all your time grading tests. It would be better to put such people through a mate selection program, than a teaching program.
     
    Well, teachers are a particular type (maybe more "bookish" maybe less sexually oriented on average, maybe more K-selected, to use your language?), but most women in their 20s, even if they are working or studying, are simultaneously partnered up (or at least somewhat looking, they may not make it the focus of their lives, although some do, but they are open to it, so these are not mutually exclusive things). Maybe not all but many. Maybe Gen Z are different, there is a lot of weirdness these days so it might be different for them (but I doubt it).

    they actually require a masters to teach, which is really ridiculous.
     
    Well, that's what I was saying - imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete! Come on, man.

    Of course, teachers shouldn't do it (and most female teachers are very well behaved and not that interested, tbh, some are even married), and of course going under 16 would probably be borderline deviant (moms will freak out!), but to equate male and female sexuality is just insane. As I said, I wouldn't care if it were just some woke nonsense, or just another meaningless woke talking point that you can just dismiss as BS, if it didn't have serious repercussions for the woman (and possibly her children).

    A woman is like a network - her energies flow into many other people in the society, other women, children, the elderly. If something bad happens to her, all those people could be affected. A man is more like an island - of course, a man will have relatives, friends, etc., but those men who do go through the justice system are typically anti-social in some way or true deviants. True female deviants are rare.

    Because men are more selfish and have more mental fortitude, they might take jail better than women - for a woman it could be more of a trauma (and her child due to needless separation).

    These differences need to be considered.

    As to needing a master's in pedagogy just to teach in a public school, a lot of what's in those degrees is psychology, actually, it's not that easy to be a teacher, one needs a lot of patience even if the kids are so adorable. They can be quite noisy. There's a reason why not that many men volunteer to teach younger grades - they would get fed up in a few days! Women are more patient than men, that's why among other things they make such good snipers (because most of it is waiting).

    Replies: @songbird

    The boy’s instinct to “bang” shows earlier than I thought.

    I was really shocked by some of the things I remember boys saying at a very young age. I think it comes from the culture. Hollywood.

    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?)

    I don’t have a deep knowledge of it,

    [MORE]
    and am not sure how clear the historical record is. But I do recall a case of two very young Normans being married in very early 1600s Ireland. The boy 14-15, and the girl 12. I think they desperately needed an heir. People witnessed the bedding.

    I think those were actually the legal ages for marriage in England for a long time, though most married older. (BTW, I wonder when the law changed so that minors we’re not required to marry the people picked by their guardians.)

    I think that was the historical norm in many places. Definitely Sicily, but I think also in the Roman Empire.

    Even if it shouldn’t be as slow as these days… it’s not natural.

    If they need an heir and mortality is really high, than I would say it seems pretty natural.

    Everything is conditional, of course. I suspect 12 isn’t an ideal birthing age, but biologically, it wouldn’t be much later than that. Economic, Malthusian, and cultural-socio considerations aside. We’ve hobbled biology for those reasons.

    If we think that teenagers are irresponsible, then I believe that comes from a few sources. One is that most people are irresponsible, especially when removed from traditional social structures and expectations. Another is that some demographic groups are more prone to violence and that is mediated by testosterone levels, so worse in teens. But the brain develops much earlier than 18 or 21. That it develops late is a myth.

    Anyway, if you were colonizing Mars with a small society, looking to dominate the planet, I would say take off the brakes.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days

    I think it was maybe a little the other way. Later menarche.

    imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete!

    Perhaps, school should be a contest to get the hot teacher. Make it eugenic. That might actually motivate some people.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    I was really shocked by some of the things I remember boys saying at a very young age. I think it comes from the culture. Hollywood.
     

    Maybe when they're in their early teens? I'm only around very young boys (under 12), and they are completely innocent. They only talk about their boy world stuff or are learning about the world. But there is just so much stuff out there that they shouldn't see (even in their late teens).

    There is something called adrenarch that takes place between 6-8, closer to 7, and it's a noticeable change (androgens are produced). They start sweating and a few other things appear. But they are unaware of what it is. They become a bit more independent, they no longer hug and cuddle as much, and they want to have more of their own space.


    But I do recall a case of two very young Normans being married in very early 1600s Ireland. The boy 14-15, and the girl 12. I think they desperately needed an heir.
     
    This is a specific case, this happened with nobles, too, due to their specific situation, for example, the Polish queen Jadwiga was only 12 when she married the Lithuanian duke Jogailo (who was 35). But this had nothing to do with age, of course, but because they had difficulties selecting the groom, some already had arranged child fiancees.

    I think that was the historical norm in many places. Definitely Sicily, but I think also in the Roman Empire.
     
    In the Russian Empire, the legal marriage age for girls was 13, for boys 15, then in 1830 it was changed to 16/18.

    Not sure Sicily is a good example, they have borderline North African and Arabic influences. In Rome marriage was arranged, from young ages (13+), it might make sense given that life expectancy was also quite low. Btw, the girls' first period doesn't necessary always come at age 12, it can come a bit later.


    I suspect 12 isn’t an ideal birthing age, but biologically, it wouldn’t be much later than that.
     
    That is far from ideal, in fact, teenage pregnancy is riskier than later pregnancy. I spoke to a gynecologist once who had delivered many teenage pregnancies and she said it is complicated, that their hips are still too narrow.

    Most men are not interested in 12 year olds. I remember this well, the male interest really started at around 15. But, as a girl, your head is completely in the clouds, you're not ready.


    Later menarche.
     
    It changed a little through the ages, it was a little later in the Middle Ages (15).

    Replies: @songbird

  200. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You should watch some videos of abos eating bugs and eskimos eating raw seals. They might add a whole new empowerment to eating potatoes.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack

    Potatoes, like eggs and butter before it, are now considered healthy to eat. Besides potassium, they’re full of other healthy nutrients too. I know a guy, 91 years old who lived only on the rare found potato for a whole year during the 1930’s in Ukraine. He still really enjoys eating potatoes!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Preparation is the key. Baked or boiled they are fine. Just not every day. McDonald's french fries are vomit. I once worked on a Norwegian ship for two weeks. They served boiled potatoes every day for lunch and dinner. Not just that. They had other things on the plate. But every single plate at lunch and dinner that they brought us had f-n boiled potatoes on it. I don't think I ate a potato for six months after that.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

  201. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Russia would have certainly been afraid of the West stationing missiles and/or nukes in Ukraine which can be done even without Ukrainian NATO membership.
     
    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    I’m not convinced that the Russian public or military would not have fought without the possibility of NATO membership.
     
    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Russia suffers from a severe underpopulation problem...
     
    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly - Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the "not enough people" mantra - for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.

    You’re assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn’t, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.

    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig’s reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people–as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don’t always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.

    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok

    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.

    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn’t. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson without the Ukrainian military threatening their positions there*, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    *Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.

  202. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Potatoes, like eggs and butter before it, are now considered healthy to eat. Besides potassium, they're full of other healthy nutrients too. I know a guy, 91 years old who lived only on the rare found potato for a whole year during the 1930's in Ukraine. He still really enjoys eating potatoes!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Preparation is the key. Baked or boiled they are fine. Just not every day. McDonald’s french fries are vomit. I once worked on a Norwegian ship for two weeks. They served boiled potatoes every day for lunch and dinner. Not just that. They had other things on the plate. But every single plate at lunch and dinner that they brought us had f-n boiled potatoes on it. I don’t think I ate a potato for six months after that.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Love these as they're already cleaned and quick to prepare with room for creative add ons:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe32YjYeCCw

    TJs' has a lot of good stuff including the cauliflower pancakes. Their frozen spanokopita is the best frozen version of that Greek dish that I've come across.

    , @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    My British father preferred to eat potatoes as part of every meal.

    Many considered McDonald's fries the best for decades after their food was generally terrible because they kept frying them in lard. That is long gone now.

  203. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.
     
    You're assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn't, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.
     
    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig's reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people--as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don't always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.
     
    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok
     
    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.
     
    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn't. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    “Did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson”? Did I miss something, they ultimately had to retreat from it, losing control after many months of nominally holding it?

    Did you miss something, didn’t you see any of the many videos showing locals protesting their captors presence in their town, at times even being brazen about their displeasure, and taunting the tanks that were parked in the middle of town??…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Please read my caveat in regards to this from my revised (second) post above:

    "Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn’t. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson without the Ukrainian military threatening their positions there*, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    *Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed."

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  204. Russia Outproduces West in Drones & Artillery Shells as Ukraine Goes on the Defensive

  205. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Preparation is the key. Baked or boiled they are fine. Just not every day. McDonald's french fries are vomit. I once worked on a Norwegian ship for two weeks. They served boiled potatoes every day for lunch and dinner. Not just that. They had other things on the plate. But every single plate at lunch and dinner that they brought us had f-n boiled potatoes on it. I don't think I ate a potato for six months after that.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    Love these as they’re already cleaned and quick to prepare with room for creative add ons:

    TJs’ has a lot of good stuff including the cauliflower pancakes. Their frozen spanokopita is the best frozen version of that Greek dish that I’ve come across.

  206. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I've never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer! I'm only able to getaway for a month to cooler climes right now, but when I'm fully retired in a few years I'll be trying to stay away for 3-4 months.

    The winters here are really great. I've made a study of it and can tell you unequivocally that the winters in Phoenix are even nicer than in San Diego (which aren't bad). A little warmer and not as cloudy as in San Diego. I don't know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it's much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix. I used to sit next to a guy at work, an accountant actually originally from Minneapolis, that told me a lot about his adventures living in Las Vegas. Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts.....even on the edge of town.

    Replies: @AP

    I’ve never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer!

    I briefly passed through Phoenix in May – the heat was already really unpleasant. So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.

    Obviously if you can arrange your life to spend half the year elsewhere it doesn’t matter.

    I don’t know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it’s much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas is both less humid and cooler than Phoenix. This mean that the intolerably hot part of summer is about two months shorter. 3-4 months rather than 5-6.

    It also means that Vegas has a real autumn, from December to February, a generally nice season of mild jacket weather and a break from summer. No winter though.

    So 9 months a year of pleasant weather, versus only 6-7 in Phoenix.

    Of course, some of us like winters too. The absence of this in Las Vegas is a bad thing. Mt. Charleston isn’t enough (it’s an hour from the city, and has a ski resort).

    Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts

    It can attract some weird transient characters. Not many people stay for life or put down generational roots; this is a negative.

    The population itself is a very diverse mix.

    You have a base population of Western cowboys and Mormons (very different peoples), then add working class East coasters (lots of thick New York accents) who make great money in construction or as casino dealers and bartenders, East Asians (they love the gambling), Hawaiians for some reason, middle class refugees fleeing high taxes in southern California, Mexicans, and retirees.

    You have the spectacular nature of the American Southwest, but with discos and restaurants and opportunities to see entertainers such as in a major city like New York or Toronto. Quality not quite at the level of those places, but still impressive.

    Unfortunately the cityscape is massive uniform sprawl – subdivisions and gated communities behind fences. Not terrible, with the Mediterranean tile roofs and stucco walls, and not poor, but it gets very boring to look at after a few months because it all looks the same. But beyond the sprawl – mountains.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.
     
    You're right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I've found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 - 6:00 in the late afternoon, that's actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that's outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it's refreshing and good to do.

    I'm sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don't think that there's much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It's certainly an interesting place to visit.

    https://inbounddestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Caesars-Pool.jpg
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @John Johnson, @AP

  207. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.
     
    "Did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson"? Did I miss something, they ultimately had to retreat from it, losing control after many months of nominally holding it?

    Did you miss something, didn't you see any of the many videos showing locals protesting their captors presence in their town, at times even being brazen about their displeasure, and taunting the tanks that were parked in the middle of town??...

    https://youtu.be/_RNCcrs8N5c

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Please read my caveat in regards to this from my revised (second) post above:

    “Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn’t. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson without the Ukrainian military threatening their positions there*, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    *Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.”
     
    I agree and it only goes to show that with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders, not only in Kherson but elsewhere too. That's why the world needs to keep on supporting Ukraine!

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  208. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I’ve never tried to sell anybody on Phoenix during the summer!
     
    I briefly passed through Phoenix in May - the heat was already really unpleasant. So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so - one must spend all one's time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.

    Obviously if you can arrange your life to spend half the year elsewhere it doesn't matter.

    I don’t know about Las Vegas, but I suspect that it’s much cooler there during the wintertime than in Phoenix.
     
    Las Vegas is both less humid and cooler than Phoenix. This mean that the intolerably hot part of summer is about two months shorter. 3-4 months rather than 5-6.

    It also means that Vegas has a real autumn, from December to February, a generally nice season of mild jacket weather and a break from summer. No winter though.

    So 9 months a year of pleasant weather, versus only 6-7 in Phoenix.

    Of course, some of us like winters too. The absence of this in Las Vegas is a bad thing. Mt. Charleston isn't enough (it's an hour from the city, and has a ski resort).

    Although he loved to visit Las Vegas for its sports betting opportunities, he kept telling me strange stories about living there and all of the strange people that it attracts
     
    It can attract some weird transient characters. Not many people stay for life or put down generational roots; this is a negative.

    The population itself is a very diverse mix.

    You have a base population of Western cowboys and Mormons (very different peoples), then add working class East coasters (lots of thick New York accents) who make great money in construction or as casino dealers and bartenders, East Asians (they love the gambling), Hawaiians for some reason, middle class refugees fleeing high taxes in southern California, Mexicans, and retirees.

    You have the spectacular nature of the American Southwest, but with discos and restaurants and opportunities to see entertainers such as in a major city like New York or Toronto. Quality not quite at the level of those places, but still impressive.

    Unfortunately the cityscape is massive uniform sprawl - subdivisions and gated communities behind fences. Not terrible, with the Mediterranean tile roofs and stucco walls, and not poor, but it gets very boring to look at after a few months because it all looks the same. But beyond the sprawl - mountains.

    https://summerlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Summerlin-Road-To-Red-Rock-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.

    You’re right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I’ve found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 – 6:00 in the late afternoon, that’s actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that’s outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it’s refreshing and good to do.

    I’m sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don’t think that there’s much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It’s certainly an interesting place to visit.
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    That maybe is not the place to be when the Saudi crown prince's alienated cousin decides to take him out and rain machine gun bullets from helicopters on an outdoors crowd for distraction.

    , @Mikel
    @Mr. Hack


    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.
     
    Sublime pools in a complex of buildings that even the ancient Romans would find stunning. But when it comes to pools, nothing that I've seen in Vegas matches the MGM-Grand. Along with nice swimming pools, jet pools and kid-friendly pools, you have a huge "lazy river" that you can spend hours on relaxing in the current on a floatie. You do have to have a great deal of tolerance for masses of tourists though. It's a little cheaper than Ceasars and it shows.

    I’ve found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 – 6:00 in the late afternoon, that’s actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that’s outdoor swimming.
     
    I hope you wear a swimming shirt and some head cover. I normally have a bit of a tan on my face from my outdoor activities but even here in Northern Utah if I try to do that in summer with no protection I get my torso badly burned. In the interior West summer afternoons are usually great for rocking chairs in the shade of the porch with some cold drinks but evenings are probably the best time for outdoor pools. It's still hot but you don't have to worry about getting grilled up.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Yea but where is the public supposed to go? It's $50 per person if you aren't staying there. You can't expect families to pay the price every weekend.

    What I don't get why so many people go to Las Vegas to gamble. So many other states have casinos and the typical gambler only plays slots. Why not go to a riverboat casino in the South?

    Las Vegas is also a weird place during the daytime. It's scorching hot and without the lights it isn't so pretty. I get the appeal of a weekend trip to see a show but I think it would be a pretty awful place to spend a summer.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable.
     
    The climate was overall pretty good for the desert Southwest - comfortable weather 9 months a year. Spectacular nature all around, and nice amusements within the city itself (discos, restaurants, shows, golf courses). But the city-scape was unpleasant due to the uniformity of all the sprawl, there was no winter or real spring, just 9 months of summer and 3 months of autumn, and eventually the gorgeously bleak desert leaves one missing the green, lush and cozy forests of the East.

    Because much of the population are transient, wealthy-working class (people who make a lot of money as cocktail waitresses, air conditioning repairmen, or casino dealers don't much value education), retirees (who don't want to pay higher taxes for schools), or recent immigrants from Mexico, the public schools are bad, so one must use expensive private ones.

    It's a great place to spend a year or two while exploring the Southwest, not a great place to settle forever or after kids are old enough to go to school. Unless one is very smart and home schools, as friends of mine who live there do.

    I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don’t think that there’s much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It’s certainly an interesting place to visit.
     
    When I lived there in the late 90s there was only a Byzantine Catholic Church where the parishioners were a mix of Carpathian Rusyns and Ukrainian Greek Catholics who had nowhere else to go. It belonged to the Phoenix Eparchy I think. There was an American Orthodox Church where some Central and Eastern Ukrainians went.



    I wasn't in touch much with the Ukrainian community there. The ones I saw were a mix of diaspora retirees from the LA area, new immigrants from Ukraine who often worked in the casinos as gymnasts/acrobats and circus performers at shows, and some "arranged" brides of Americans.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  209. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Please read my caveat in regards to this from my revised (second) post above:

    "Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn’t. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson without the Ukrainian military threatening their positions there*, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    *Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed."

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.”

    I agree and it only goes to show that with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders, not only in Kherson but elsewhere too. That’s why the world needs to keep on supporting Ukraine!

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    "with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders"

    But the "Russian invaders" in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!

    Sadly it's all too late now.

    Stoltenberg: "Prepare for bad news from Ukraine".

    Vitaly Klitchko in Swiss media:


    “There is already trench fighting between our politicians - in a country that is fighting for its existence. This is just stupid.

    People see who is effective and who is not... Zelensky is paying for the mistakes he made.

    Zaluzhny told the truth [about the deadlock at the front]. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. He explained and justified what the situation is today.

    Of course, we can lie to our people and partners... But you can't do this forever. Some of our politicians criticized Zaluzhny for his frankness - unfairly. I support him"
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

  210. @Greasy William
    @LatW

    You have been extremely critical of black women's looks so I was wondering what you think of the black women in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3zuuGav-Y

    For the record, I have never found Halle Berry to be attractive at all. However, I think she is absolutely beautiful in this video.

    Mya has always been a beauty. She looks like she is half white but apparently she is actually 100% American black


    And I'm not into guys, but Pras is a very good looking young man in this vid. This song really takes me back to the 90's

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @Negronicus

    There’s no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low’s dirty money. (Btw, “YO LO”?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away. Politics be harder than it looks.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Negronicus


    There’s no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.
     
    1. Wikipedia says that she is 100% black and Wikipedia has never been wrong about anything
    2. Did you see the video (or the Lady Marmalade vid)? Her movements are way too fluid for her to not have substantial West African ancestry.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low’s dirty money. (Btw, “YO LO”?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away
     
    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSzy0gibcU

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Negronicus

  211. The BBC’s answer to RRR was apparently to make Isaac Newton into an Indian.

  212. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    Obviously the Ukrainian military was able to threaten the Russians in Kherson, but if it was too weak to do so, such as due to a lack of Western aid, then holding onto Kherson would have likely been much, much easier for Russia due to Russian willingness to rely on terror and repression as needed.”
     
    I agree and it only goes to show that with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders, not only in Kherson but elsewhere too. That's why the world needs to keep on supporting Ukraine!

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders”

    But the “Russian invaders” in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!

    Sadly it’s all too late now.

    Stoltenberg: “Prepare for bad news from Ukraine”.

    Vitaly Klitchko in Swiss media:

    “There is already trench fighting between our politicians – in a country that is fighting for its existence. This is just stupid.

    People see who is effective and who is not… Zelensky is paying for the mistakes he made.

    Zaluzhny told the truth [about the deadlock at the front]. Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth. He explained and justified what the situation is today.

    Of course, we can lie to our people and partners… But you can’t do this forever. Some of our politicians criticized Zaluzhny for his frankness – unfairly. I support him”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Stoltenberg: “Prepare for bad news from Ukraine”.
     
    He also said we will stick with Kiev in good and bad. That formula is used when people know they lost and want to walk away with dignity, a message to Russia not to push it - there will not be an official announcement that Nato lost. They don't play that way, after each loss they move on, say it was complex, blame local allies...and predict that in the long run the winner will regret the win.

    It is up to Moscow now - what do they want out of this? They can settle for no Nato and control of the Russian regions (more or less). Or they can sit on Kiev's neck until they Ukies can't go on and restructure Ukraine to their liking.

    Ukraine needs a new face, leader who changes the narrative, a realis who offers Russia slightly more than the minimum to tempt them. Like De Gaulle with Algeria. West would be wise to find one and make a deal - but I see no wisdom in Europe or US.

    There is always the alternative to escalate to high heavens with nukes...the West will bear anything, lose again and again, but they can't stand losing face. The unravelling of this disaster could be ugly...and the plans looked so good when presented after Georgetown dinners, how could it not work?

    AP says that there is still 45% chance it might (?) - so they have that going for them.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon


    But the “Russian invaders” in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!
     
    But a majority of the Donbas leadership and military advisors were imported from Russia. You can't invade your own country, you can only give the boot to those trying to illegally invade it, like was done in Kherson and other formerly occupied areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

  213. @sudden death
    Near total EU victory in natgas war as early cold spells in Europe doesn't result in price panics anymore, even with giant amount of supplies from RF missing and some recent muddy CCP'ied China potential shenigans in waters of Finland;)

    European natural gas futures fell further to around €43 per megawatt-hour, the lowest in seven weeks as ample supplies more than offset forecasts of very cold weather across much of Europe in early December. The current natural gas storages in Germany and France are nearly full, while Italy's reserves exceeded 96%. Still, freezing temperatures and snow are spreading across the continent, leading to an expected increase in energy demand. Berlin and Helsinki are forecasted to experience lows of -4.5C and -8C, respectively, and parts of Scotland, northeast England, and London are set to see snow and sub-zero temperatures. Additionally, a stuck LNG tanker at an Australian export terminal is halting shipments because only one vessel can dock at the export terminal at a time. Looking ahead, forecasts indicate a continued cold pattern for most of Europe in the next two weeks, though some models suggest a potential temperature rebound in the northwest from December 6.
     
    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    Replies: @sudden death

    Yet another visual comparison about emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail – european electricity prices during early cold spell two years ago;)

    NS1 and Yamal pipelines and six German nuclear plants all intact and fully working then:

    Now:

    btw, today weekend prices are even more lower, but have chosen working day of the week, when consumption is higher.

    Putin should get some Charlemagne awards for this achievement, but guess the greatest offensive campaign of Donetsk city suburbia with NK supplies would serve as enough consolation, lol

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail
     
    Didn't you admit that Europe is buying large quantities of Russian hydrocarbons via Gazprom;)

    To be balanced -- Finland opened a massive nuclear facility, which is a real gain. Poland is also in the early stages of a gigantic nuclear expansion if all three efforts go through. Even if only two make it, they will be a market leading electricity hub for Eastern Europe.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    EU has stock-piled an enormous amount of energy, 1/3 was bought from Russia. Large industries have been shut down (e.g. German chemical mfg...) to lower consumption. The prices are subsidised by Brussels at cost of billions euros. It is a war and all levers have been pulled.

    Now the reality: previous inexpensive, reliable, predictable Russian energy is gone and not coming back. It has been replaced with lower industrial consumption and with spot-priced energy from around the world (including Russia as one of the main suppliers) exposed to the vaguaries of the global consumption market.

    You can't plan with supplies like that - large consumers will migrate emasculating the German (and others') industry, heavy investment in storage with environmental impact (go to Schwechat outside Vienna for a horror show), huge ongoing costs for EU.

    Is it better? Be honest. Maybe you understand nothing about business, but this is fairly straight-forward.

    Replies: @sudden death

  214. What not to do in front of a gorilla:

    [MORE]

    Begs the question of, is Mr. Hack not disclosing something related to his zoo encounter?

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Fortunately, the plexi-glass was thicker at the place of my encounter with an 800 lb. gorilla and didn't crack, but the thud was extremely loud and scarred the daylights out of me. :-)

    You have very a good memory...I don't remember how many years back I described this strange incident?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @songbird
    @songbird

    And another one for LatW:
    https://youtu.be/Oq0gZiJxP5Q?si=8le8iXlhWvyoYi4s

  215. @songbird
    What not to do in front of a gorilla:

    https://youtu.be/4BFmfV0ZrLQ?si=69vbn5nniJF5Mn73

    Begs the question of, is Mr. Hack not disclosing something related to his zoo encounter?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    Fortunately, the plexi-glass was thicker at the place of my encounter with an 800 lb. gorilla and didn’t crack, but the thud was extremely loud and scarred the daylights out of me. 🙂

    You have very a good memory…I don’t remember how many years back I described this strange incident?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    You have very a good memory…I don’t remember how many years back I described this strange incident?
     
    I think my memory is mostly pretty poor, but I don't think it was that long ago.

    I recall reading Michael Crichton's novel Congo many years ago.

    He had a gorilla that used sign language in it, apparently influenced by Koko. But I think Koko's been debunked.

    He also had some wild idea about gorilla/chimp/human hybrids. I think the chimp genes made them more aggressive than gorillas and the human genes made them more social, so they formed bigger war bands. They were supposed to have been bred by some long-gone African civilization as guards. And they had their own sign language.

    Bonobo/chimp hybrids are definitely a thing, but they are more closely related. I think it would be interesting to study them and maybe test some of these theories about Neanderthal hybrids.
  216. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    "with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders"

    But the "Russian invaders" in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!

    Sadly it's all too late now.

    Stoltenberg: "Prepare for bad news from Ukraine".

    Vitaly Klitchko in Swiss media:


    “There is already trench fighting between our politicians - in a country that is fighting for its existence. This is just stupid.

    People see who is effective and who is not... Zelensky is paying for the mistakes he made.

    Zaluzhny told the truth [about the deadlock at the front]. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. He explained and justified what the situation is today.

    Of course, we can lie to our people and partners... But you can't do this forever. Some of our politicians criticized Zaluzhny for his frankness - unfairly. I support him"
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    Stoltenberg: “Prepare for bad news from Ukraine”.

    He also said we will stick with Kiev in good and bad. That formula is used when people know they lost and want to walk away with dignity, a message to Russia not to push it – there will not be an official announcement that Nato lost. They don’t play that way, after each loss they move on, say it was complex, blame local allies…and predict that in the long run the winner will regret the win.

    It is up to Moscow now – what do they want out of this? They can settle for no Nato and control of the Russian regions (more or less). Or they can sit on Kiev’s neck until they Ukies can’t go on and restructure Ukraine to their liking.

    Ukraine needs a new face, leader who changes the narrative, a realis who offers Russia slightly more than the minimum to tempt them. Like De Gaulle with Algeria. West would be wise to find one and make a deal – but I see no wisdom in Europe or US.

    There is always the alternative to escalate to high heavens with nukes…the West will bear anything, lose again and again, but they can’t stand losing face. The unravelling of this disaster could be ugly…and the plans looked so good when presented after Georgetown dinners, how could it not work?

    AP says that there is still 45% chance it might (?) – so they have that going for them.

  217. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    "with the use of Western military equipment the Ukrainian army can beat back the Russian invaders"

    But the "Russian invaders" in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!

    Sadly it's all too late now.

    Stoltenberg: "Prepare for bad news from Ukraine".

    Vitaly Klitchko in Swiss media:


    “There is already trench fighting between our politicians - in a country that is fighting for its existence. This is just stupid.

    People see who is effective and who is not... Zelensky is paying for the mistakes he made.

    Zaluzhny told the truth [about the deadlock at the front]. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth. He explained and justified what the situation is today.

    Of course, we can lie to our people and partners... But you can't do this forever. Some of our politicians criticized Zaluzhny for his frankness - unfairly. I support him"
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    But the “Russian invaders” in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!

    But a majority of the Donbas leadership and military advisors were imported from Russia. You can’t invade your own country, you can only give the boot to those trying to illegally invade it, like was done in Kherson and other formerly occupied areas in Ukraine.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Donbas had tens of thousands of local fighters and the people were perfectly happy with declaring independence or at least having an autonomy. They voted 90% in each elections since 1991 for the pro-Russian candidates - and Lviv voted 90% for anti-Russians. How do you keep two regions like that within the same country?

    The pro-Western side in Kiev was also chock-full of foreigners, often Ukies who had lived all their lives abroad or anti-Russian fanatics like Saakasvilli and a few Latvians. We need to apply the same meter and you seem incapable of it.

    Kherson was abandoned with no losses since it was on the right-bank of Dnieper and not defensible at that time. But while Russians were there the population was mostly passive, not for or against. That's the way 50-75% Ukies are - they will go with who is in charge. As do Americans, Poles...let's not play at heroes.

  218. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Anything can be done, but with what consequences? Putting missiles in Ukraine without Nato protection would simply lead to them being destroyed. As would any Kiev attempt to make nukes. It is an order of magnitude less risky than getting into a war with Nato.
     
    You're assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once. If they couldn't, then Ukraine could launch the surviving missiles in response and of course have the West place new missiles on its territory.

    We will never know for sure, but the Nato issue means that Russians are supporting the war. Without it the support would be less, how much less is hard to know. I think a long, bloody war would be very hard to do.
     
    Well, even without the NATO factor, only slightly more Russians opposed a Russian conquest of Ukraine than supported it in early 2022, with opposition to this not even reaching 45% (a lot of Russians were unsure):

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html

    Similarly, I suspect that German support for invading Poland in 1939 would have been less, possibly significantly less, had Poland agreed to Danzig's reunification with Germany and to the holding of a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor limited to 1918 residents only.

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people--as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don't always agree with it. The Bolsheviks murdered most of the brave Russians during the decades of their rule, so it makes sense that the surviving Russians were selected for passivity and of course educated in such a manner as well. The days of brave Russians from 1917 and earlier are gone, at least for now.

    They have 150 million people, more than enough. The musings about not enough people are silly – Russia can function well with 100 million people, probably better. That is also true about Europe and US: does US really need 330 million people? And Europe half a billion? Many places are visibly over-crowded, there can never be enough real employment for that many surplus people. You should re-think the “not enough people” mantra – for thousands of years we functioned well with 1/10 of the current population.
     
    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people. So, Yes, the US does benefit from having more people so long as they are of the right quality. Ditto for Europe, hence the importance of bringing Ukraine into the EU in the long-run.

    From Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

    This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok
     
    More recently from Anatoly Karlin himself:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Anatoly%20Karlin

    My logic as a somewhat sapient r*ghtoid at the time was that for a sane and sustainable RW society to exist anywhere within the White world it would need economies of scale, and in that sense the regathering of the Russian lands was desirable to better insulate it against Western encroachment. As it turns out, Putler’s RF was far too rotten a vessel to ever play that role even had it won in Ukraine – and yes, there’s a good chance it would have won, had it fought the war like a normal country, which apart from everything else would have resulted in far fewer Russian and even Ukrainian deaths, on the principle that a short brutal war is less bad than a very drawn-out war – making the global triumph of Woke liberalism programmed, and I adjusted to that reality (just as, in fact, I said I would at the very outset).
     

    Your idea that Russia fights wars to increase its population is a fantasy, why? Few million maybe, but tens of millions of Ukies? It is accepted that adding Galicians in 1939-45 was a mistake. Why would they do it? You are grasping for straws.
     
    Incorporating Galicia was certainly a mistake, but the Soviet Union was massively strengthened from incorporating the rest of Ukraine. Even right now, Russia could probably integrate all of Novorossiya without too much difficulty (using terror and repression to achieve its goals there) if it could actually conquer it, which it likely couldn't. After all, Russians did not have too huge of a problem holding onto Kherson, which was the most pro-European part of Novorossiya.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    …You’re assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once.

    No, but they can hit enough of them. That’s all that matters – wars are messy, not black and white.

    Wars are divisive – reasons matter mostly among the elites. If Nato had stated that Ukraine will not be in Nato, that they changed their mind, even as late as January 2022, the war would probably be avoided. This was a close call, Russians are not warmongers and they know their limits – if Zelko or Biden had the balls to read a statement “after serious consideration we don’t think that Ukraine in Nato is a good idea“, the odds are that Russia would hold back. They would ask for guarantees and bring up other less serious issues – but the lives would be saved. But the West can neither think nor fight, they don’t even know how to play the game. (At least pretend for God’s sake, is that so hard?)

    Russians strike me as a rather passive people–as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don’t always agree with it.

    Riiight. Just like the Americans, Brits, Germans (famously conformist!), Swedes, Ukies, Israelis, Poles, Turks, Czechs…Canadians?…I can go on. Did you also just discover that earth is flat?

    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people.

    What great things? Conquer more lands? Have economies of scale? 100 million is enough. The quality of European and American people has dropped precipitously as the numbers grew – what is it good for? More people eating garbage food and playing videos? Are you saying that one billion would be even better? What for? Geniuses are rare and random, most geniuses are never known – why would flooding a place with hundreds of millions additional people make it better? Think.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Wars are divisive – reasons matter mostly among the elites. If Nato had stated that Ukraine will not be in Nato, that they changed their mind, even as late as January 2022, the war would probably be avoided. This was a close call, Russians are not warmongers and they know their limits – if Zelko or Biden had the balls to read a statement “after serious consideration we don’t think that Ukraine in Nato is a good idea“, the odds are that Russia would hold back. They would ask for guarantees and bring up other less serious issues – but the lives would be saved. But the West can neither think nor fight, they don’t even know how to play the game. (At least pretend for God’s sake, is that so hard?)
     
    So, what will Russia offer in exchange for this, other than promising not to invade Ukraine? Is it going to impose a trade embargo on China if China will ever attack Taiwan (similar to what the US did to Japan in 1941 in the months before Pearl Harbor), for instance? Because any concessions that NATO makes should be paired with comparable Russian concessions.

    Riiight. Just like the Americans, Brits, Germans (famously conformist!), Swedes, Ukies, Israelis, Poles, Turks, Czechs…Canadians?…I can go on. Did you also just discover that earth is flat?

     

    Well, even with their anger at Polish obstinance over Danzig and the Polish Corridor, AFAIK, most Germans did not want war in 1939. But they nevertheless continued fighting all of the way until 1945 when their country was completely destroyed. Germany lost millions of lives in the process but Germans still couldn't bear the thought of unconditional surrender, especially to the Soviet Union.

    Turks fought non-stop from the early 1910s to the early 1920s. Did the Turkish people want war in 1914?

    What great things? Conquer more lands? Have economies of scale? 100 million is enough. The quality of European and American people has dropped precipitously as the numbers grew – what is it good for? More people eating garbage food and playing videos? Are you saying that one billion would be even better? What for? Geniuses are rare and random, most geniuses are never known – why would flooding a place with hundreds of millions additional people make it better? Think.

     

    Unselective immigration can cause a population's quality to drop, as can dysgenics, but selective immigration (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, et cetera) and selective territorial annexations can cause a population's quality to remain stable while also significantly increasing its quantity. You don't think that Romania significantly benefitted from its post-WWI territorial expansion if some much more powerful country/countries could subsequently guarantee its security, similar to with the US with NATO in the post-Cold War era? The quality of the Ukrainian population is on average comparable to that of the Russian one. Maybe slightly lower, but not by very much. Provincial Ukrainians would probably on average be comparable to provincial Russians.

    Replies: @Beckow

  219. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Yet another visual comparison about emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail - european electricity prices during early cold spell two years ago;)

    NS1 and Yamal pipelines and six German nuclear plants all intact and fully working then:

    https://aftershock.news/sites/default/files/u17862/IMG_20211216_111228_576.jpg

    Now:

    https://i.postimg.cc/KctvpD7X/eu-electricity-prices-2023-12-01.png

    btw, today weekend prices are even more lower, but have chosen working day of the week, when consumption is higher.

    Putin should get some Charlemagne awards for this achievement, but guess the greatest offensive campaign of Donetsk city suburbia with NK supplies would serve as enough consolation, lol

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail

    Didn’t you admit that Europe is buying large quantities of Russian hydrocarbons via Gazprom;)

    To be balanced — Finland opened a massive nuclear facility, which is a real gain. Poland is also in the early stages of a gigantic nuclear expansion if all three efforts go through. Even if only two make it, they will be a market leading electricity hub for Eastern Europe.

    PEACE 😇

  220. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon


    But the “Russian invaders” in Donbass and Lugansk were Ukrainians!
     
    But a majority of the Donbas leadership and military advisors were imported from Russia. You can't invade your own country, you can only give the boot to those trying to illegally invade it, like was done in Kherson and other formerly occupied areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Donbas had tens of thousands of local fighters and the people were perfectly happy with declaring independence or at least having an autonomy. They voted 90% in each elections since 1991 for the pro-Russian candidates – and Lviv voted 90% for anti-Russians. How do you keep two regions like that within the same country?

    The pro-Western side in Kiev was also chock-full of foreigners, often Ukies who had lived all their lives abroad or anti-Russian fanatics like Saakasvilli and a few Latvians. We need to apply the same meter and you seem incapable of it.

    Kherson was abandoned with no losses since it was on the right-bank of Dnieper and not defensible at that time. But while Russians were there the population was mostly passive, not for or against. That’s the way 50-75% Ukies are – they will go with who is in charge. As do Americans, Poles…let’s not play at heroes.

  221. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Fortunately, the plexi-glass was thicker at the place of my encounter with an 800 lb. gorilla and didn't crack, but the thud was extremely loud and scarred the daylights out of me. :-)

    You have very a good memory...I don't remember how many years back I described this strange incident?

    Replies: @songbird

    You have very a good memory…I don’t remember how many years back I described this strange incident?

    I think my memory is mostly pretty poor, but I don’t think it was that long ago.

    I recall reading Michael Crichton’s novel Congo many years ago.

    He had a gorilla that used sign language in it, apparently influenced by Koko. But I think Koko’s been debunked.

    He also had some wild idea about gorilla/chimp/human hybrids. I think the chimp genes made them more aggressive than gorillas and the human genes made them more social, so they formed bigger war bands. They were supposed to have been bred by some long-gone African civilization as guards. And they had their own sign language.

    Bonobo/chimp hybrids are definitely a thing, but they are more closely related. I think it would be interesting to study them and maybe test some of these theories about Neanderthal hybrids.

  222. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Preparation is the key. Baked or boiled they are fine. Just not every day. McDonald's french fries are vomit. I once worked on a Norwegian ship for two weeks. They served boiled potatoes every day for lunch and dinner. Not just that. They had other things on the plate. But every single plate at lunch and dinner that they brought us had f-n boiled potatoes on it. I don't think I ate a potato for six months after that.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    My British father preferred to eat potatoes as part of every meal.

    Many considered McDonald’s fries the best for decades after their food was generally terrible because they kept frying them in lard. That is long gone now.

  223. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.
     
    You're right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I've found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 - 6:00 in the late afternoon, that's actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that's outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it's refreshing and good to do.

    I'm sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don't think that there's much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It's certainly an interesting place to visit.

    https://inbounddestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Caesars-Pool.jpg
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @John Johnson, @AP

    That maybe is not the place to be when the Saudi crown prince’s alienated cousin decides to take him out and rain machine gun bullets from helicopters on an outdoors crowd for distraction.

  224. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Yet another visual comparison about emerging EU independence on energy fronts in spite RF blackmail - european electricity prices during early cold spell two years ago;)

    NS1 and Yamal pipelines and six German nuclear plants all intact and fully working then:

    https://aftershock.news/sites/default/files/u17862/IMG_20211216_111228_576.jpg

    Now:

    https://i.postimg.cc/KctvpD7X/eu-electricity-prices-2023-12-01.png

    btw, today weekend prices are even more lower, but have chosen working day of the week, when consumption is higher.

    Putin should get some Charlemagne awards for this achievement, but guess the greatest offensive campaign of Donetsk city suburbia with NK supplies would serve as enough consolation, lol

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    EU has stock-piled an enormous amount of energy, 1/3 was bought from Russia. Large industries have been shut down (e.g. German chemical mfg…) to lower consumption. The prices are subsidised by Brussels at cost of billions euros. It is a war and all levers have been pulled.

    Now the reality: previous inexpensive, reliable, predictable Russian energy is gone and not coming back. It has been replaced with lower industrial consumption and with spot-priced energy from around the world (including Russia as one of the main suppliers) exposed to the vaguaries of the global consumption market.

    You can’t plan with supplies like that – large consumers will migrate emasculating the German (and others’) industry, heavy investment in storage with environmental impact (go to Schwechat outside Vienna for a horror show), huge ongoing costs for EU.

    Is it better? Be honest. Maybe you understand nothing about business, but this is fairly straight-forward.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Will be responding bit by bit, cause there's lot to unpack in such short blurt out, but stuffed to the brink with innacuracies, to put it mildly;)


    1/3 was bought from Russia
     
    RF share of EU natgas market was nowhere near third in 2023, but at best it probably was close to 20% as both pipeline and LNG from RF overall volumes were falling, though couldn't find 2023 three quarters cumulative stats yet, so could share your source about third if it isn't just a wet dream;)

    In the first quarter of 2022, Russia was the EU's biggest supplier of gas via pipeline, with a 38.8 percent share, just ahead of Norway (38.1 percent), according to Eurostat. But by the first quarter of 2023, Russia's share had fallen by 21 percentage points, while those of Norway (+8 p.p.), Algeria (+7 p.p.) and the UK (+4 p.p.) had all increased.

    As for liquefied natural gas or LNG (imported by ship), Russia (18.1 percent) was the EU's second-largest supplier in the first quarter of 2022, behind the U.S. (48.6 percent). A year later, Russia's share had fallen by 5 percentage points. Meanwhile, the shares of Norway (+6 p.p.), Qatar and Algeria (each +2 p.p.) were all up, while that of the U.S. had fallen by 8 percentage points.
    https://www.statista.com/chart/31017/eu-lng-and-pipeline-natural-gas-imports-by-country/

     

    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/31017.jpeg

    Large industries have been shut down (e.g. German chemical mfg…)
     
    Shutdown would be production rate going from 100 to 0, but not from 100 to 92 as it happened in reality, also the main complaint was the electricity price, which has gone down recently:

    BERLIN, Sept. 14 (Xinhua) -- The German Chemical Industry Association (VCI) on Thursday predicted that its business situation would further deteriorate in the second half of the year, due to weakening demand.

    "Hopes for a recovery will have to be postponed," the association said in a statement. For 2023 as a whole, industry production is expected to drop 8 percent year-on-year. As selling prices are declining, turnover will be 14 percent lower than in the previous year.

    "The situation is serious and the mood is correspondingly bad," said VCI President Markus Steilemann. "High energy prices and over-regulation are increasingly getting to the substance of many German companies."

    Economic experts believe that Germany will see long-term energy cost disadvantages compared with other industrial locations. If no countermeasures are taken, this will cause a welfare loss of up to 4.5 percent over the next 15 years, according to a recent study by the German Economic Institute (IW) and Frontier Economics.

    Following a brief winter recession and another quarter without economic growth, leading economic institutes in Germany recently lowered their forecasts for Europe's largest economy. The country's gross domestic product is now expected to contract by between 0.3 percent and 0.5 percent in 2023.

    As one of the biggest industrial energy consumers in Germany, the country's chemical industry has been particularly hard hit by high energy prices. To counter this, Steilemann said a "decisive step" would be an "internationally competitive electricity price" for industry, which would be achieved through a temporary cap.

    The German government is already discussing such a national "bridge electricity price," and the European Union (EU) is also looking into the issue.

    The chemical industry has welcomed these talks. "We are united by the will to stop deindustrialization," Steilemann stressed. ■
     

    https://english.news.cn/20230915/b8347a76355d413c90ffffba321313f9/c.html

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer, @Beckow

  225. A rare bit of good news from France: (1)

    France ignores ECHR ruling for first time to deport suspected jihadist

    French newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday that the 39-year-old migrant had been expelled from France on Nov. 14, despite Europe’s top human rights court ruling against the Interior Ministry due to a perceived risk of torture upon his return to Uzbekistan.

    “It’s a turning point,” noted Lucie Simon, the immigration lawyer for Mr. A. “The Interior Ministry is deliberately violating a Court ruling that applies to France,” she added.

    French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin remained defiant in the decision taken by his department, insisting that the migrant was “known to the police for his roots in the pro-jihadist movement” and was therefore returned to his country of origin

    Is this a sincere change from Macron? Or, base political maneuvering?

    Will more countries follow along?

    The big win would be a “Stay In Africa” asylum plan where all claims would be processed offshore.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/france-ignores-echr-ruling-for-first-time-to-deport-suspected-jihadist/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    One guy. It is meaningless and barely even symbolic.

    Leopards never change their spots - Macron will be what he has always been: globalist pushing open borders, unconstrained "markets", and liberal social changes.

    France is the designated team B within the Western alliance: they are called on when something fails and a clean-up crew is needed. Frenchies say slightly less crazy stuff to stay viable when things blow up. It is scripted.

  226. @A123
    A rare bit of good news from France: (1)

    France ignores ECHR ruling for first time to deport suspected jihadist

     

    French newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday that the 39-year-old migrant had been expelled from France on Nov. 14, despite Europe’s top human rights court ruling against the Interior Ministry due to a perceived risk of torture upon his return to Uzbekistan.

    “It’s a turning point,” noted Lucie Simon, the immigration lawyer for Mr. A. “The Interior Ministry is deliberately violating a Court ruling that applies to France,” she added.

    French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin remained defiant in the decision taken by his department, insisting that the migrant was “known to the police for his roots in the pro-jihadist movement” and was therefore returned to his country of origin
     
    Is this a sincere change from Macron? Or, base political maneuvering?

    Will more countries follow along?

    The big win would be a "Stay In Africa" asylum plan where all claims would be processed offshore.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/france-ignores-echr-ruling-for-first-time-to-deport-suspected-jihadist/

    Replies: @Beckow

    One guy. It is meaningless and barely even symbolic.

    Leopards never change their spots – Macron will be what he has always been: globalist pushing open borders, unconstrained “markets”, and liberal social changes.

    France is the designated team B within the Western alliance: they are called on when something fails and a clean-up crew is needed. Frenchies say slightly less crazy stuff to stay viable when things blow up. It is scripted.

  227. And it goes on …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/02/germany-ukraine-new-best-friend-what-a-difference-war-makes

    The disappointing results of Ukraine’s summer counteroffensive, domestic budget pressures, insufficient military supplies, signs of wavering public support – plus the distraction of the war in Gaza – are all insidiously combining to sap EU and Nato resolve despite brave public words about undying solidarity.

    Add to that below-the-radar doubts about Zelenskiy’s leadership (he has been at odds with top commanders), declining trust in his government, low morale among families of mobilised soldiers, and relentless Russian ground and drone attacks on civilians and on energy infrastructure and the war begins to look, to some US and European politicians at least, like a dead end.

    Zelenskiy and his generals must find ways to disrupt this defeatist dynamic before it takes firm hold. A big military escalation may be the only way to avoid slow death by a thousand cuts. Yet that way lies extreme danger – for Ukraine and its uncertain western backers.

    Oh dear…

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-seeks-to-reduce-amount-it-gives-to-20bn-eu-fund-for-ukraine-leaked-document-reveals/ar-AA1kR5A2

    Germany is seeking to reduce the amount it gives to a €20billion European Union fund for weapons for Ukraine, a document leaked to The Daily Telegraph on Friday revealed.

    In a confidential “non-paper”, Berlin argues that the European Peace Facility (EPF) should take into account the billions in military aid it has donated to Kyiv bilaterally.

    The EPF has provided €4.5 billion worth of weapons to Ukraine since Russia’s full-scale invasion last February and drilled 34,000 Ukrainian troops as part of an EU training mission.

    The German document, a non-binding positional paper, has sparked fears among European capitals that chancellor Olaf Scholz could scupper future attempts by the EU to support Ukraine’s fight against the Russian invasion.

  228. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    He probably doesn't understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    Climate is a matter of personal taste. I don't think that anybody would like rainy weather in the upper 30s or lower 40s. But I would easily trade snowy 20s and low 30s for 6 months of southern Arizona summers, which are basically unbearable for me. Winter is beautiful, if it isn't too harsh.

    That's why I am not living in Phoenix.

    Las Vegas probably has the best climate in the desert Southwest: unbearably hot for only 4 months a year (mid-May to mid-September). Then pleasant summer weather for 5 months a year, pleasant mild autumnal weather for 2 months a year, and about a month's worth of unpleasantly cold autumnal weather in January-February. Almost never rains, but windy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.

    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don’t convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It’s all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don’t believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?

    I have 74 from ~5 until bedtime when I drop it to 72 until late the next day. I can imagine there are people who do 1 degree though.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    It would cost us billions to convert and I doubt the so called civilized world would pay the bill. Maybe the civilized world can pay their actual share of the UN bill before complaining.
    https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs

    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    The primary complaint with the Imperial system is related to measuring size and not temperature.

    Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading.

    But that isn't how water is boiled. People put the stove on high and wait until it bubbles. They aren't reading a temperature gauge. What difference would it make to see a bright number count to 100 or 212? In the rare commercial scenarios where a thermostat is needed it's just another number to a computer chip.

    It’s all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    You think scientists have a hard time remembering those numbers? Scientists know all kinds of arbitrary numbers.

    6th graders are expected to know the freezing and boiling points. It's really not a big deal.
     
    We grow up knowing that 32 is freezing and the speed limit is 65. It's really no different than remembering that Christmas is on the 25th. It only seems hard to you because it isn't your system. Problems with the Imperial system are not related to temperature. The problems tend to occur where both systems have to work together.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Matra
    @Mikel

    Measuring temperature is a fairly rare case of the metric system being more intuitive, more natural, than the imperial.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.
     
    Celsius is better for doing science because it matches with Kelvin, but it is not more "intuitive."

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands.
     
    It's not hard to figure out that 32 plays that role. 100 degrees C is beyond the normal human experience. It is more clumsy to use in day-to-day life a scale that is more suitable in laboratories and industrial situations.

    By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don’t convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading.
     
    I think this guy was correct:

    "the range in temperature from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit closely demarcates the extremes found in the climates of the United States and Europe; it seldom gets much hotter. (The same range on the Celsius scale is a clumsier -18 to +38 degrees.)"

    So the Fahrenheit scale is both less clumsy and also more precise.

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C.
     
    Using decimals makes things clumsier.

    Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C).
     
    European researchers have found that people can easily detect a difference of 1 degree Celsius, although they overestimate the difference (that is, the subjects don't think they can detect such a subtle difference and falsely assume that the difference is larger than it is):

    https://www.climateforesight.eu/interview/yes-you-can-feel-one-degree/#:~:text=The%20human%20body%20can%20perceive,not%20aware%20of%20this%20sensitivity.

    "The minimum difference they were always able to perceive in temperature was one degree. Under one degree, they could still perceive the difference, but they were not always so sure about their answer."

    So Fahrenheit captures the difference that can often but not always be perceived.

    Try setting the thermostat at home or in the office exactly one degree lower or higher, and someone will notice. Sure, no one would be able to identify - "this is 71 degrees." But they can feel a difference. Precision is good.

    This essay is probably correct:

    https://www.zmescience.com/other/fahrenheit-vs-celsius-did-the-u-s-get-it-right-after-all/

    Fahrenheit may be the best way to measure temperature after all. Why? Because most of us only care about air temperature, not water temperature.

    Replies: @Mikel

  229. @Mikel
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don't convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It's all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don't believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Matra, @AP

    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?

    I have 74 from ~5 until bedtime when I drop it to 72 until late the next day. I can imagine there are people who do 1 degree though.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?
     
    Actually yes, I do. Sometimes even 4 degrees. What difference is 1F going to make if it's too hot or cold? You've made my point, thanks.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  230. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?
     
    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that's the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    the rule exists but would have been ignored
     
    There is no rule that an institution can't adjust or ignore if it wants to. There are a number of examples in Nato as precedence: Turkey and Greece with Cyprus, Spain and UK with Gibraltar...It is trivial, at the right time the rule would be ignored or adjusted.

    missiles then why haven’t they been added to the Baltics? Will missile silos be coming to Finland?
     
    They can be any day, what will you say then? Oops?

    Finland is a small, reasonable country that wants to avoid trouble, the Balts are miniscule. Ukraine is a large country with very long border much further east that can threaten core areas of Russia, Ural-Volga regions. It is simply different, get a map if you don't understand.


    We all know that if Russia had a choice of no Nato in Ukraine, but Finland in Nato - they would take it.


    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?
     
    Zelko refused to implement Minsk. Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in - he could veto it but he didn't and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    Keep Donbas as a contended border.
    Wait until Ukraine actually applies before threatening force
    Threaten force if Ukraine does not put NATO neutrality in their constitution
    Attack if Ukraine refuses

     

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your "solution". Waiting until "application" is process nothing - it could happen quickly and be irreversible. Russia asked repeatedly for Kiev to remove Nato from the Constitution, that's what the Minsk meetings were about (while Merkel and the French sat there lied and giggled). Zelko, Kiev and Nato publicly refused. The latest time in December 2021.

    So they attacked. As withe all tragedies it was built into the characters of the people involved. You can spend the rest of your time denying it - but that is what happened. Now what? Nato has two choices: watch Kiev lose or escalate possibly to nukes. They should instead negotiate the best possible deal - but it will be a lot worse for Kiev than either Minsk or what they could have had in March 2022.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    …France and Germany will always vote as the US/UK asks?

    Yes, in important strategic matters they always will and always have. Look at the Minsk fiasco as an example of lying in public and doing what US/UK asks. At a minimum, that’s the way Russia sees them, why would they put their security in their hands? Would you?

    That’s simply false. The US and France routinely clash over Gaza and Israel.
    https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210519-tensions-rage-between-france-and-us-at-united-nations-over-conflict-in-middle-east

    The US/UK are consistently unable to get France to vote their way on Israel. They were also unable to pressure France into joining the coalition in Iraq.

    The US does also not control Ukraine as seen by Zelensky’s refusal to put the military in defensive mode before the invasion. They could have easily killed 20-30k troops immediately if they had listened to US generals. Ukraine also ignored US advice on Bakhmut. This idea that France or Ukraine is under the control of the US ignores evidence to the contrary. Zelensky has not fought this war as prescribed by the US. That was in fact a huge mistake on his part. The US/UK correctly expected an invasion from Belarus and Zelensky didn’t setup artillery to blow the only bridge. It was Zelensky that thought such an act would aggravate Putin and was trying to appease him. They could have easily setup a funnel attack to kill thousands of Russians and stop the invasion from the north. Can provide sources if you would like. Ukraine fortunately predicted which airport the Russians would try to take and shelled it when they landed. But hundreds of APCs and tanks were needlessly allowed in from the Belarus border.

    There is no rule that an institution can’t adjust or ignore if it wants to.

    It’s not merely some trivial rule that can be changed. If you have a border contended then at what point does NATO defend against an attack? You also can’t join if you are involved in a proxy war. That rule exists for a similar reason. You need a clearly delineated border to defend against. A demarcation point for at which NATO protocols can be enacted. You can’t join and then demand that NATO defend a contended border. It’s a major requirement that cannot be overlooked.

    How exactly did Zelensky switch to being pro-NATO?

    Zelko refused to implement Minsk.

    The Minsk agreement predates Zelensky. No change in policy from the previous president.

    Nato in Constitution was done in 2019 as he was coming in – he could veto it but he didn’t and said that he supports it. He betrayed many people who voted for him.

    That was done before he won the election. You can’t veto when you don’t hold the presidency.
    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-president-signs-constitutional-amendment-on-nato-eu-membership/29779430.html

    Again no change in policy. I asked for an example where he specifically changed a policy after being elected.

    Finally a concrete alternative to the war. But it was what Russia did between 2014-22, they waited 8 years with your “solution”. Waiting until “application” is process nothing –

    Doing nothing would have kept both Ukraine and Finland out of NATO.

    They didn’t try to send an ultimatum to Ukraine before invading.

    This suggests that the primary motivation was not NATO.

    If the goal is keeping NATO from expanding East then why did Putin say it doesn’t matter that Finland joined?

  231. @Mikel
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don't convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It's all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don't believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Matra, @AP

    I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    It would cost us billions to convert and I doubt the so called civilized world would pay the bill. Maybe the civilized world can pay their actual share of the UN bill before complaining.
    https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs

    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    The primary complaint with the Imperial system is related to measuring size and not temperature.

    Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading.

    But that isn’t how water is boiled. People put the stove on high and wait until it bubbles. They aren’t reading a temperature gauge. What difference would it make to see a bright number count to 100 or 212? In the rare commercial scenarios where a thermostat is needed it’s just another number to a computer chip.

    It’s all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    You think scientists have a hard time remembering those numbers? Scientists know all kinds of arbitrary numbers.

    6th graders are expected to know the freezing and boiling points. It’s really not a big deal.
     
    We grow up knowing that 32 is freezing and the speed limit is 65. It’s really no different than remembering that Christmas is on the 25th. It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system. Problems with the Imperial system are not related to temperature. The problems tend to occur where both systems have to work together.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system.
     
    It's not about being hard or easy. I see carpenters and other manual workers here using fractions of inches all the time rather than the much simpler to subtract or multiply decimals. But I think that most of them would rather quit their jobs than switch to a system they weren't taught at school.

    I explained in detail why the C system is objectively more intuitive than F but, predictably, you didn't get my point. The rest of the world is not complaining about the US Imperial system, btw. They don't even notice what people use here. It's many American scientists I've heard complaining about the Imperial anachronism.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  232. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.
     
    You're right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I've found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 - 6:00 in the late afternoon, that's actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that's outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it's refreshing and good to do.

    I'm sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don't think that there's much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It's certainly an interesting place to visit.

    https://inbounddestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Caesars-Pool.jpg
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @John Johnson, @AP

    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Sublime pools in a complex of buildings that even the ancient Romans would find stunning. But when it comes to pools, nothing that I’ve seen in Vegas matches the MGM-Grand. Along with nice swimming pools, jet pools and kid-friendly pools, you have a huge “lazy river” that you can spend hours on relaxing in the current on a floatie. You do have to have a great deal of tolerance for masses of tourists though. It’s a little cheaper than Ceasars and it shows.

    I’ve found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 – 6:00 in the late afternoon, that’s actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that’s outdoor swimming.

    I hope you wear a swimming shirt and some head cover. I normally have a bit of a tan on my face from my outdoor activities but even here in Northern Utah if I try to do that in summer with no protection I get my torso badly burned. In the interior West summer afternoons are usually great for rocking chairs in the shade of the porch with some cold drinks but evenings are probably the best time for outdoor pools. It’s still hot but you don’t have to worry about getting grilled up.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    Swimming after 4 PM for 1-2 hours, 5-7 days a week with the sun still out gets many folks color without the burn.

    On the northeast, outdoor pools typically close after Labor Day which is BS given the climate change situation. They should be open thru September. Heated outdoor all year would be awesome.

  233. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?

    I have 74 from ~5 until bedtime when I drop it to 72 until late the next day. I can imagine there are people who do 1 degree though.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?

    Actually yes, I do. Sometimes even 4 degrees. What difference is 1F going to make if it’s too hot or cold? You’ve made my point, thanks.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    It was more of an illustration than proof. : )

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/03/greenhouse-gas-emissions-soar-with-china-us-and-india-most-at-fault

    What do you suppose Greta Therber keeps her house at? Since nobody is going in there and checking it would be unexpected if she was wearing thick wool long underwear and pitching in with a 64 setting.

  234. @Mikel
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don't convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It's all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don't believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Matra, @AP

    Measuring temperature is a fairly rare case of the metric system being more intuitive, more natural, than the imperial.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Matra

    I think there are two practical situations where both the higher resolution (so to speak) and the familiarity of the Fahrenheit scale may help maintain the popularity of the system.

    The first is measurement of fever. Small changes catch a mother's attention. Probably metric mothers (90-60-90) do the same thing, but getting women who were raised to be concerned as the baby's temperature creeps up from 98.6 to 99.5 then over 100 F to change systems may be difficult.

    The second is for gardeners who worry about plants freezing as the mercury crops down to 33, 32, 31, 30, croak depending on the plant.

    Never mind that many temperature measurements are not this accurate for a variety of reasons.

  235. @songbird
    What not to do in front of a gorilla:

    https://youtu.be/4BFmfV0ZrLQ?si=69vbn5nniJF5Mn73

    Begs the question of, is Mr. Hack not disclosing something related to his zoo encounter?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    And another one for LatW:

    [MORE]

    • LOL: LatW
  236. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    It would cost us billions to convert and I doubt the so called civilized world would pay the bill. Maybe the civilized world can pay their actual share of the UN bill before complaining.
    https://www.cfr.org/article/funding-united-nations-what-impact-do-us-contributions-have-un-agencies-and-programs

    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    The primary complaint with the Imperial system is related to measuring size and not temperature.

    Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading.

    But that isn't how water is boiled. People put the stove on high and wait until it bubbles. They aren't reading a temperature gauge. What difference would it make to see a bright number count to 100 or 212? In the rare commercial scenarios where a thermostat is needed it's just another number to a computer chip.

    It’s all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    You think scientists have a hard time remembering those numbers? Scientists know all kinds of arbitrary numbers.

    6th graders are expected to know the freezing and boiling points. It's really not a big deal.
     
    We grow up knowing that 32 is freezing and the speed limit is 65. It's really no different than remembering that Christmas is on the 25th. It only seems hard to you because it isn't your system. Problems with the Imperial system are not related to temperature. The problems tend to occur where both systems have to work together.

    Replies: @Mikel

    It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system.

    It’s not about being hard or easy. I see carpenters and other manual workers here using fractions of inches all the time rather than the much simpler to subtract or multiply decimals. But I think that most of them would rather quit their jobs than switch to a system they weren’t taught at school.

    I explained in detail why the C system is objectively more intuitive than F but, predictably, you didn’t get my point. The rest of the world is not complaining about the US Imperial system, btw. They don’t even notice what people use here. It’s many American scientists I’ve heard complaining about the Imperial anachronism.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system.
     
    It’s not about being hard or easy. I see carpenters and other manual workers here using fractions of inches all the time rather than the much simpler to subtract or multiply decimals.

    You said temperature is hard and unintuitive in Imperial. It isn't and intuition is relative. If the weather report switched to metric it would be unintuitive to Americans. Same for speed.

    The benefits of being 10 based don't apply in those scenarios. Americans aren't doing 10 based calculations for speed or temperature. American cars show MPH and at best the metric is a small subtext.

    Switching would not be purely additive. It would be costly and there is less motivation to switch now that smartphones are ubiquitous.

    I explained in detail why the C system is objectively more intuitive than F but, predictably, you didn’t get my point.

    No you really didn't when no one in America or Europe looks at a temperature gauge when boiling water. Americans aren't confused when they are told it is 2 degrees above freezing. In normal scenarios with temperature there is no benefit to the metric system.

    You would have made a valid point if you stuck to where the metric system is actually beneficial.

    It’s many American scientists I’ve heard complaining about the Imperial anachronism.

    And libertarians complain all the time about not having a gold based system. Doesn't mean they fully understand the reasons why the system was switched or the cost in returning to backing a hard currency.

    Americans with grad degrees consistently vote Democrat. Their majority opinion doesn't necessarily translate to rational policy. Scientists in America favor certain policies out of self-interest. That doesn't mean they understand the full costs involved. For example they support endless grants and ending student debt but without any plan to pay for it. Americans with grad degrees would also open the borders. This group is certain that race doesn't exist and public education can equalize everyone. They would rack up another trillion in debt while patting themselves on the back for bringing in millions of third worlders.

    I've been around American scientists for years. Most are nerds that hold certain levels of liberal idealism from college and don't have the guts to face certain unfortunate realities. Putting them in charge of US policy would be a disaster.

  237. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.
     
    You're right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I've found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 - 6:00 in the late afternoon, that's actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that's outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it's refreshing and good to do.

    I'm sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don't think that there's much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It's certainly an interesting place to visit.

    https://inbounddestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Caesars-Pool.jpg
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @John Johnson, @AP

    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Yea but where is the public supposed to go? It’s $50 per person if you aren’t staying there. You can’t expect families to pay the price every weekend.

    What I don’t get why so many people go to Las Vegas to gamble. So many other states have casinos and the typical gambler only plays slots. Why not go to a riverboat casino in the South?

    Las Vegas is also a weird place during the daytime. It’s scorching hot and without the lights it isn’t so pretty. I get the appeal of a weekend trip to see a show but I think it would be a pretty awful place to spend a summer.

    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson


    What I don’t get why so many people go to Las Vegas to gamble. So many other states have casinos and the typical gambler only plays slots. Why not go to a riverboat casino in the South?
     
    Vegas also has world-class shows and spectacles. One can see U2 performing in the Sphere, for example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr3wSaeAxik

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3uRvJcM3z8

    And of course one can take a break and go to the Grand Canyon.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Really, the only few times that I've been to Las Vegas have all been work related. Once to go to a training session for a few days to help me pass a licensing exam, and another time to man a booth at an exhibition. I once was put up at the Bellagio, in an expensive room that offered me access to everything there, and the other time I stayed at the Bally's casino just across the street from Caesars Casino (t's been a while because I see that its now been renamed and doesn't exist anymore). It was clean and much less expensive than Caesars. You didn't have to have graduated from any espionage school (at that time) and could easily just enter the pool area. They've probably tightened things up and made that sort of thing impossible today?

    I'm no gambler, but do really enjoy the Las Vegas shows from the more extravagant ones like Cirque Soleil to the more mundane (and often free) magic shows. The outdoor "dancing waters" light show always draws a huge crowd. Of course, some of the culinary delights are a draw too. I've been to "Emeralds" seafood restaurant and have experienced the buffet at the Bellagio, street food at the Paris casino, etc. Christmas time is magical, as all the hotels are all decked out. I guess it's the fact that you have access to so many different forms of entertainment, all in once place?...

    Replies: @John Johnson

  238. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system.
     
    It's not about being hard or easy. I see carpenters and other manual workers here using fractions of inches all the time rather than the much simpler to subtract or multiply decimals. But I think that most of them would rather quit their jobs than switch to a system they weren't taught at school.

    I explained in detail why the C system is objectively more intuitive than F but, predictably, you didn't get my point. The rest of the world is not complaining about the US Imperial system, btw. They don't even notice what people use here. It's many American scientists I've heard complaining about the Imperial anachronism.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It only seems hard to you because it isn’t your system.

    It’s not about being hard or easy. I see carpenters and other manual workers here using fractions of inches all the time rather than the much simpler to subtract or multiply decimals.

    You said temperature is hard and unintuitive in Imperial. It isn’t and intuition is relative. If the weather report switched to metric it would be unintuitive to Americans. Same for speed.

    The benefits of being 10 based don’t apply in those scenarios. Americans aren’t doing 10 based calculations for speed or temperature. American cars show MPH and at best the metric is a small subtext.

    Switching would not be purely additive. It would be costly and there is less motivation to switch now that smartphones are ubiquitous.

    I explained in detail why the C system is objectively more intuitive than F but, predictably, you didn’t get my point.

    No you really didn’t when no one in America or Europe looks at a temperature gauge when boiling water. Americans aren’t confused when they are told it is 2 degrees above freezing. In normal scenarios with temperature there is no benefit to the metric system.

    You would have made a valid point if you stuck to where the metric system is actually beneficial.

    It’s many American scientists I’ve heard complaining about the Imperial anachronism.

    And libertarians complain all the time about not having a gold based system. Doesn’t mean they fully understand the reasons why the system was switched or the cost in returning to backing a hard currency.

    Americans with grad degrees consistently vote Democrat. Their majority opinion doesn’t necessarily translate to rational policy. Scientists in America favor certain policies out of self-interest. That doesn’t mean they understand the full costs involved. For example they support endless grants and ending student debt but without any plan to pay for it. Americans with grad degrees would also open the borders. This group is certain that race doesn’t exist and public education can equalize everyone. They would rack up another trillion in debt while patting themselves on the back for bringing in millions of third worlders.

    I’ve been around American scientists for years. Most are nerds that hold certain levels of liberal idealism from college and don’t have the guts to face certain unfortunate realities. Putting them in charge of US policy would be a disaster.

  239. @Mikel
    @AP


    He probably doesn’t understand the superior Fahrenheit way of measuring temperature.
     
    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands. By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don't convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading. In fact, half the temperature of the water boiling point (50) is also too hot for human comfort, as you would expect, but a quarter of that amount (25), of course in the positive range, is about the right comfort temperature for the human body, that all AC systems more or less target. It's all much easier to intuit and remember than the corresponding Fahrenheit numbers (32, 212, 77, respectively).

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C. Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C). Perhaps you are confusing a comfort threshold with the actual ability to detect such tiny temperature differences. It may be possible (though I doubt it) that people have a hard-wired temperature below/above which they start feeling cold/hot if they are sitting for long hours in an office and, in that sense they may be able to detect the transition from 68 to 67. But being able to detect a threshold is not the same as being able to detect a small temp difference when there is no physiological threshold involved. I don't believe anyone can sense if it is 45F or 46F.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @Matra, @AP

    But Fahrenheit, like other Imperial measuring systems, is clearly more primitive and less intuitive than Celsius. I keep hearing American scientists complain that the US is still not switching to the metric system, like the rest of the civilized world.

    Celsius is better for doing science because it matches with Kelvin, but it is not more “intuitive.”

    In the Celsius system 0 is the temperature at which the water freezes, iow when rain turns to snow or the ground starts to freeze. This is a very intuitive point to start counting. Below zero means colder than freezing and above zero means warmer: something that everybody understands.

    It’s not hard to figure out that 32 plays that role. 100 degrees C is beyond the normal human experience. It is more clumsy to use in day-to-day life a scale that is more suitable in laboratories and industrial situations.

    By contrast, in Fahrenheit 0 means nothing in particular so negative and positive Fahrenheit readings don’t convey any physical meaning, as Celsius do. Likewise, 100 is the temperature at which water starts to boil so you intuitively understand that that is a very high reading.

    I think this guy was correct:

    “the range in temperature from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit closely demarcates the extremes found in the climates of the United States and Europe; it seldom gets much hotter. (The same range on the Celsius scale is a clumsier -18 to +38 degrees.)”

    So the Fahrenheit scale is both less clumsy and also more precise.

    The only advantage I see with F vs C is that F is more accurate with integer numbers but you can easily use decimals in C and problem solved. For example, 51F is about 10.5C.

    Using decimals makes things clumsier.

    Besides, you never really need this type of precision in everyday life because, contrary to what you say, the human body cannot detect 1F of difference (or even 1C).

    European researchers have found that people can easily detect a difference of 1 degree Celsius, although they overestimate the difference (that is, the subjects don’t think they can detect such a subtle difference and falsely assume that the difference is larger than it is):

    https://www.climateforesight.eu/interview/yes-you-can-feel-one-degree/#:~:text=The%20human%20body%20can%20perceive,not%20aware%20of%20this%20sensitivity.

    “The minimum difference they were always able to perceive in temperature was one degree. Under one degree, they could still perceive the difference, but they were not always so sure about their answer.”

    So Fahrenheit captures the difference that can often but not always be perceived.

    Try setting the thermostat at home or in the office exactly one degree lower or higher, and someone will notice. Sure, no one would be able to identify – “this is 71 degrees.” But they can feel a difference. Precision is good.

    This essay is probably correct:

    https://www.zmescience.com/other/fahrenheit-vs-celsius-did-the-u-s-get-it-right-after-all/

    Fahrenheit may be the best way to measure temperature after all. Why? Because most of us only care about air temperature, not water temperature.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    “the range in temperature from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit closely demarcates the extremes found in the climates of the United States and Europe; it seldom gets much hotter. (The same range on the Celsius scale is a clumsier -18 to +38 degrees.)”
     
    Both the US and Europe regularly get temperatures below 0F and above 100F. Every single winter and summer. It happens even here in my state, without looking for remote locations. That all really sounds like a post-hoc rationalization of why the US uses the Fahrenheit system. But we all know that the the US didn't adopt the Fahrenheit system because it is closer to the regular experience. It's just simple tradition from the colonial times and because being a scientific and technological superpower, the US doesn't have the pressure that other countries have to adopt the more rational metric system. The fact that the Celsius system is scaled to two well known physical phenomena shows by itself that it was designed with forethought and rationality. Additionally, the widespread adoption of the metric system by most countries in the world, even though the scientific superpower (the US now and the UK before) used a different system, also proves which one is more convenient.

    This doesn't mean that a country like the US cannot perfectly function using the Imperial system as long as it wants. Or that an individual cannot operate in both systems. I do it all the time. But it's an unnecessary complication for everybody in the present times. In fact, even the US cannot avoid having to switch to the metric system in some specific fields. For example grams in macro-nutrients and milligrams in medicines, two magnitudes that most people didn't learn much about at school but see in all labels.


    European researchers have found that people can easily detect a difference of 1 degree Celsius,
     
    I degree Celsius is twice as much as 1 degree Fahrenheit, which is what you originally mentioned. And I am very skeptical of that study in your link. If you read carefully, it is a study designed to show how important 1 degree Celsius (the amount the Earth has warmed in the past century) is in the context of climate change. Most studies of that type are just bad science, of the type kidney stones or alopecia are going to increase because of climate change. It's not impossible but I'd have to see a number of double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to believe that I am able to detect the difference between 45F and 47F. I'm constantly checking the temperature in our outdoor thermometer after spending time working outside and I often have no idea if it's 31 or 22. Humidity, wind, exercise, clothing and other variables make it impossible to get a good idea without looking it up.

    Replies: @AP

  240. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Yea but where is the public supposed to go? It's $50 per person if you aren't staying there. You can't expect families to pay the price every weekend.

    What I don't get why so many people go to Las Vegas to gamble. So many other states have casinos and the typical gambler only plays slots. Why not go to a riverboat casino in the South?

    Las Vegas is also a weird place during the daytime. It's scorching hot and without the lights it isn't so pretty. I get the appeal of a weekend trip to see a show but I think it would be a pretty awful place to spend a summer.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    What I don’t get why so many people go to Las Vegas to gamble. So many other states have casinos and the typical gambler only plays slots. Why not go to a riverboat casino in the South?

    Vegas also has world-class shows and spectacles. One can see U2 performing in the Sphere, for example:

    And of course one can take a break and go to the Grand Canyon.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    Vegas also has world-class shows and spectacles. One can see U2 performing in the Sphere, for example:

    Yea I'm aware of the shows.

    I'm talking about the average gambler that just sits in front of a slot machine.

    The shows are piddles compared to how much they make from slots. You're a "non-payer" if you go to shows and play a few games.

    They make their money from the people that sit all day and hit the button.

    I don't see why those people bother with Vegas. Most people are closer to an Indian casino.

    Replies: @AP

  241. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    So for 5-6 months a year Phoenix has terribly hot weather. Intolerably so – one must spend all one’s time hiding indoors. The other 6-7 months it is nice.
     
    You're right, you do spend a lot of time indoors, however, I've found something that I enjoy doing between about 4:00 - 6:00 in the late afternoon, that's actually the hottest time of the day (not always though, I mean 112 is still 112), that's outdoor swimming. The sun is just starting to come down some, and its rays are easier to absorb, and the water is still somewhat cool. Either just lolly gagging in the water or seriously doing some laps, it's refreshing and good to do.

    I'm sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable. I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don't think that there's much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It's certainly an interesting place to visit.

    https://inbounddestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Caesars-Pool.jpg
    Poolside at Caesars is a good place to relax.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @John Johnson, @AP

    I’m sure that there are some nice neighborhoods too. With no state taxes, it sounds quite livable.

    The climate was overall pretty good for the desert Southwest – comfortable weather 9 months a year. Spectacular nature all around, and nice amusements within the city itself (discos, restaurants, shows, golf courses). But the city-scape was unpleasant due to the uniformity of all the sprawl, there was no winter or real spring, just 9 months of summer and 3 months of autumn, and eventually the gorgeously bleak desert leaves one missing the green, lush and cozy forests of the East.

    Because much of the population are transient, wealthy-working class (people who make a lot of money as cocktail waitresses, air conditioning repairmen, or casino dealers don’t much value education), retirees (who don’t want to pay higher taxes for schools), or recent immigrants from Mexico, the public schools are bad, so one must use expensive private ones.

    It’s a great place to spend a year or two while exploring the Southwest, not a great place to settle forever or after kids are old enough to go to school. Unless one is very smart and home schools, as friends of mine who live there do.

    I do however enjoy that we have two Ukrainian churches in Phoenix and a Ukrainian Cultural Center to boot. I don’t think that there’s much if any of an organized Ukrainian cultural life in Las Vegas. It’s certainly an interesting place to visit.

    When I lived there in the late 90s there was only a Byzantine Catholic Church where the parishioners were a mix of Carpathian Rusyns and Ukrainian Greek Catholics who had nowhere else to go. It belonged to the Phoenix Eparchy I think. There was an American Orthodox Church where some Central and Eastern Ukrainians went.

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    I wasn’t in touch much with the Ukrainian community there. The ones I saw were a mix of diaspora retirees from the LA area, new immigrants from Ukraine who often worked in the casinos as gymnasts/acrobats and circus performers at shows, and some “arranged” brides of Americans.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    there was only a Byzantine Catholic Church where the parishioners were a mix of Carpathian Rusyns and Ukrainian Greek Catholics who had nowhere else to go. It belonged to the Phoenix Eparchy I think.
     
    I'm familiar with the Eparchy and they have a beautiful large church and spacious grounds where many visiting priests often stay. It's been quite homogenized today, and has little to none of the original Rusyn flavor left. This same fate, unfortunately, seems to be in store for the regular Ukrainian Catholic church in the area too. :-(

    Replies: @AP

  242. @Matra
    @Mikel

    Measuring temperature is a fairly rare case of the metric system being more intuitive, more natural, than the imperial.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think there are two practical situations where both the higher resolution (so to speak) and the familiarity of the Fahrenheit scale may help maintain the popularity of the system.

    The first is measurement of fever. Small changes catch a mother’s attention. Probably metric mothers (90-60-90) do the same thing, but getting women who were raised to be concerned as the baby’s temperature creeps up from 98.6 to 99.5 then over 100 F to change systems may be difficult.

    The second is for gardeners who worry about plants freezing as the mercury crops down to 33, 32, 31, 30, croak depending on the plant.

    Never mind that many temperature measurements are not this accurate for a variety of reasons.

  243. @AP
    @Cesar1191


    I’m curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse.
     
    I agree. Though the chances of a complete military collapse and Russian takeover are probably under 1%. Not zero, but extremely unlikely.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can't be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There's a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new "Russian" Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    Russians are going to keep the four oblasts they have annexed plus Crimea, so no Ukrainian leader can agree to stop fighting .

    • Replies: @A123
    @Sean

    The European Empire's puppet, Zelensky, will not negotiate in good faith. After the money runs out, he will flee to his EU masters.

    The next Kiev administration should not repeat his intransigence. The penalty for further, senseless aggression could deliver a land locked Ukraine.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Negronicus, @Mr. Hack

  244. @Sean
    @AP

    Russians are going to keep the four oblasts they have annexed plus Crimea, so no Ukrainian leader can agree to stop fighting .

    Replies: @A123

    The European Empire’s puppet, Zelensky, will not negotiate in good faith. After the money runs out, he will flee to his EU masters.

    The next Kiev administration should not repeat his intransigence. The penalty for further, senseless aggression could deliver a land locked Ukraine.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @A123

    Arestovych?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Negronicus
    @A123

    EEuropean Empie, EU masters, pass the bong. His dirty money condos are in Miami.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    https://youtu.be/u0-Yeqh4PFY


    President Zelensky himself also rejected rumors hat he has fled from the country. "I'm in Kyiv, at my workplace, I work. Nobody ran away anywhere", - said Volodymyr Zelenskyy from his office on Bankova Street. "Every two days there is information that I have escaped somewhere: from Ukraine, from Kyiv, from the office. I am here, on the spot. No one has run away. We are working", - said President Zelensky denying the information that he allegedly left from Ukraine.
     
    Zelensky never fled, even during the darkest times, he's not about to flee anytime soon. Your glue sniffing vapor infused fantasies will not happen just because you keep repeating them. Your time will be better spent promoting notthepresidentTrump. :-)

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer

  245. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do you only change your home thermostat in increments of two degrees Fahrenheit?
     
    Actually yes, I do. Sometimes even 4 degrees. What difference is 1F going to make if it's too hot or cold? You've made my point, thanks.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It was more of an illustration than proof. : )

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/03/greenhouse-gas-emissions-soar-with-china-us-and-india-most-at-fault

    What do you suppose Greta Therber keeps her house at? Since nobody is going in there and checking it would be unexpected if she was wearing thick wool long underwear and pitching in with a 64 setting.

  246. @Negronicus
    @Greasy William

    There's no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low's dirty money. (Btw, "YO LO"?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away. Politics be harder than it looks.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    There’s no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.

    1. Wikipedia says that she is 100% black and Wikipedia has never been wrong about anything
    2. Did you see the video (or the Lady Marmalade vid)? Her movements are way too fluid for her to not have substantial West African ancestry.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low’s dirty money. (Btw, “YO LO”?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away

    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.

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    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.

     

    Dumb Haitians are a huge part of the reason as to why exactly the US got the Louisiana Purchase in the first place, so we should be a little bit more thankful to the Haitians, actually:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/without-haiti-the-united-states-would-in-fact-be-a-shithole/

    So, even dullards could occasionally achieve something of huge value and significance, such as in this specific case. :)

    , @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Wow, I want 4:31 minutes of my life back after watching that Moulin Rouge Lady Marmalade video. All of the women in that G-d forsaken video are unattractive, Mya the least so. You could probably find a Mizrahi women to fill in for her. I guess the newer video was popular, but the singing was nicer in the original Labelle version. At least now after 49 years I know most of the words.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Negronicus
    @Greasy William

    100% southern italian means 25% black or more, just ask one

  247. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...You’re assuming that the Russians can hit every single missile at once.
     
    No, but they can hit enough of them. That's all that matters - wars are messy, not black and white.

    Wars are divisive - reasons matter mostly among the elites. If Nato had stated that Ukraine will not be in Nato, that they changed their mind, even as late as January 2022, the war would probably be avoided. This was a close call, Russians are not warmongers and they know their limits - if Zelko or Biden had the balls to read a statement "after serious consideration we don't think that Ukraine in Nato is a good idea", the odds are that Russia would hold back. They would ask for guarantees and bring up other less serious issues - but the lives would be saved. But the West can neither think nor fight, they don't even know how to play the game. (At least pretend for God's sake, is that so hard?)


    Russians strike me as a rather passive people–as in, being willing to do what their leadership tells them even if they don’t always agree with it.
     
    Riiight. Just like the Americans, Brits, Germans (famously conformist!), Swedes, Ukies, Israelis, Poles, Turks, Czechs...Canadians?...I can go on. Did you also just discover that earth is flat?

    It makes it easier for countries to achieve great things when they have more people.
     
    What great things? Conquer more lands? Have economies of scale? 100 million is enough. The quality of European and American people has dropped precipitously as the numbers grew - what is it good for? More people eating garbage food and playing videos? Are you saying that one billion would be even better? What for? Geniuses are rare and random, most geniuses are never known - why would flooding a place with hundreds of millions additional people make it better? Think.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Wars are divisive – reasons matter mostly among the elites. If Nato had stated that Ukraine will not be in Nato, that they changed their mind, even as late as January 2022, the war would probably be avoided. This was a close call, Russians are not warmongers and they know their limits – if Zelko or Biden had the balls to read a statement “after serious consideration we don’t think that Ukraine in Nato is a good idea“, the odds are that Russia would hold back. They would ask for guarantees and bring up other less serious issues – but the lives would be saved. But the West can neither think nor fight, they don’t even know how to play the game. (At least pretend for God’s sake, is that so hard?)

    So, what will Russia offer in exchange for this, other than promising not to invade Ukraine? Is it going to impose a trade embargo on China if China will ever attack Taiwan (similar to what the US did to Japan in 1941 in the months before Pearl Harbor), for instance? Because any concessions that NATO makes should be paired with comparable Russian concessions.

    Riiight. Just like the Americans, Brits, Germans (famously conformist!), Swedes, Ukies, Israelis, Poles, Turks, Czechs…Canadians?…I can go on. Did you also just discover that earth is flat?

    Well, even with their anger at Polish obstinance over Danzig and the Polish Corridor, AFAIK, most Germans did not want war in 1939. But they nevertheless continued fighting all of the way until 1945 when their country was completely destroyed. Germany lost millions of lives in the process but Germans still couldn’t bear the thought of unconditional surrender, especially to the Soviet Union.

    Turks fought non-stop from the early 1910s to the early 1920s. Did the Turkish people want war in 1914?

    What great things? Conquer more lands? Have economies of scale? 100 million is enough. The quality of European and American people has dropped precipitously as the numbers grew – what is it good for? More people eating garbage food and playing videos? Are you saying that one billion would be even better? What for? Geniuses are rare and random, most geniuses are never known – why would flooding a place with hundreds of millions additional people make it better? Think.

    Unselective immigration can cause a population’s quality to drop, as can dysgenics, but selective immigration (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, et cetera) and selective territorial annexations can cause a population’s quality to remain stable while also significantly increasing its quantity. You don’t think that Romania significantly benefitted from its post-WWI territorial expansion if some much more powerful country/countries could subsequently guarantee its security, similar to with the US with NATO in the post-Cold War era? The quality of the Ukrainian population is on average comparable to that of the Russian one. Maybe slightly lower, but not by very much. Provincial Ukrainians would probably on average be comparable to provincial Russians.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...what will Russia offer in exchange for this, other than promising not to invade Ukraine?
     
    Let me get this: so you threaten to put a gun at someone's head, and then ask what will they do if you put it away. There is a word for that, look that up...

    Why should they do anything else? China has stood by Russia, I know US would like for them to fight, but they have no reason to. Taiwan is a part of China, recognized by the whole world as such. You go on about Crimea-Donbas being in Ukraine, but when it comes to the same thing with Taiwan, Cyprus, Palestine or Kosovo suddenly the "rules" don't apply. No wonder the world doesn't take you seriously. You are hypocrites.


    selective immigration (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore
     
    Canada? Have you been there? Or Australia? They have both become quite sh..y from what I have seen, maybe the "selection" is not working. For example how did that moron Justin Trudeau got in? Or that Aussie thug who wanted to grab Putin by his shirt? Pure low class all around. Go and visit and you will see...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  248. @AP
    @Cesar1191


    I’m curious if you agree with me, but my impression of Ukrainians is that at this point they would never submit to Russia, no matter what. If the worst-case scenario of the Ukrainian military collapsing were to happen, and the Russians took over the country, I think that rather than living in Russia, the Ukrainian population would just pack up and move to the EU en masse.
     
    I agree. Though the chances of a complete military collapse and Russian takeover are probably under 1%. Not zero, but extremely unlikely.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can't be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There's a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new "Russian" Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Cesar1191

    Slightly higher odds (maybe 1%) would be for Russia to take Ukraine up to the 1939 border. There would still have massive urban warfare in Kiev, Kharkiv, etc. but would save them from guerilla warfare in the Volhynian forests and swamplands and Carpathian mountains. In that case, the rump Ukrainian state would absorb many of the refugees and would probably grow in population by several millions, from the current ~11 million to 15 million at least. Lviv doubling in size?

    Worth noting that there is also a very real risk of rump independent western Ukraine eventually getting the Gaza treatment at Russian hands in such a scenario due to Russia eventually getting severely fed up with all of the (morally justifiable or at least morally ambiguous) terrorism that western Ukraine will be launching against it. Israel was able to tolerate Hamas rule in Gaza for over 15 years but eventually got severely fed up with Hamas after the extremely massive October 7 massacre and mass hostage-taking.

    All that being said, unless the West radically increases military aid to Ukraine, the most likely result will be stalemate, give or take several towns and villages. Maybe (probably?) Avdeevka will eventually fall, maybe Ukraine will take another few villages in Zaporizhia, maybe Russia will eventually take some more of Donbas (Konstantinivka in late 2024?). But I think it is also quite possible that Russia will collapse enough for Ukraine to liberate the Crimean corridor (no way Ukraine will be able to retake Donetsk, Mariupol or other urban areas with easy railway access to Russia). So I would give 55% chance of stalemate, 44% chance of liberation of Crimean corridor, and 1% chance of a catastrophe.

    Sounds about right, frankly. If Russia keeps Mariupol and Melitopol, do you think that a lot of Russians will move over there over the next several decades? It’s rather sunny there, no? At least relative to the rest of Russia, other than places like Sochi and Gelendzhik, which should be warmer.

    But to speculate about the extremely unlikely scenario:

    At least 50%, probably 75% would flee. Old people who can’t be moved, their reluctant children or grandchildren would stay behind rather than abandon them, and also young men who want to continue urban and guerilla warfare. Such a war would destroy whatever was left there.

    The hatred of Russia and refusal to live under Russia is very strong in Ukraine.

    And even the ones who would not flee out of hatred towards Russia would be tempted by refugee status and a better life in Europe rather than stay in ruined, guerrilla-warred Ukraine.

    These 20-25 million refugees in Europe and North America would balance out the Muslim and African immigration and would provide a powerful anti-Russian electorate for generations. These would not be the draft-dodgers that Beckow is used to. They would have an anti-Russian influence on Western politics not only due to their numbers but because, unlike many Muslim or African immigrants, they will have successful careers in their new homelands, will generate income and this will translate to effective lobbying.

    There’s a pro-Russian minority, up to 5% in central Ukraine and 10% in eastern Ukraine, who would voluntarily stay in Ukraine.

    The near-empty lands would be settled by Central Asian Muslims. Reportedly there are about 100,000 such settlers in the occupied territories already. Russians are losing population so there would not be many Russian settlers, but Central Asia continues to see population growth. It would be ironic if, a generation later, the Tadziks, Uzbeks, etc. of the new “Russian” Ukraine then flooded Hungary and Slovakia, the countries supporting Russian victory, next door. The countries that took the side of Eurasia would then become Eurasian too.

    But, as I said, odds of a complete Russian-takeover are under 1%.

    Might there be a sizable minority (say, 25-ish %) who would be willing to stay even under Russian rule even if they won’t like it due to their attachment to their cities? About 1/4 of Kherson’s population stayed back when it was under Russian rule, IIRC. A nationalist usually is at least somewhat attached to one’s homeland, no? Most Poles did not emigrate during the 100+ years that Poland was partitioned and not an independent state, for instance. Not even close, I would suspect.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Sounds about right, frankly. If Russia keeps Mariupol and Melitopol, do you think that a lot of Russians will move over there over the next several decades? It’s rather sunny there, no?

    Putin is already moving in Asians from the corners of the empire:

    Russia Imported Over 100,000 Asian Migrants to Donbas, Plans to Create Cross-Border Commonwealth
    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24921

    So killing Slavs and moving in Asians to take their place.

    I'd like one of the White nationalists at Unz to explain why they admire this mass murdering midget.

    He marched the DPR/LPR militias to the front and didn't even give them enough AK-47s. Now he is replacing them with Asians.

    Well I hope the DPR women are satisfied with the results.

    , @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Sounds about right, frankly. If Russia keeps Mariupol and Melitopol, do you think that a lot of Russians will move over there over the next several decades? It’s rather sunny there, no?
     
    Russia's population is declining, there aren't a lot of extra Russians to settle places. And this region aren't that warm. It's like Rostov-on-Don. The average high temperature in January is 32.

    I will attract Central Asians though.

    Might there be a sizable minority (say, 25-ish %) who would be willing to stay even under Russian rule even if they won’t like it due to their attachment to their cities?
     
    Possible. I'd guess 50% to 75% would leave (probably closer to the latter number). The ones left behind would skew elderly.

    About 1/4 of Kherson’s population stayed back when it was under Russian rule, IIRC
     
    Russians took it very quickly, before people had time to escape, and then it was hard to leave through the front lines.

    If 1/4 of Kherson stayed behind under Russian occupation, it would probably be similar to other southern and eastern cities, and even less in other places.


    Most Poles did not emigrate during the 100+ years that Poland was partitioned and not an independent state, for instance
     
    It is a lot easier to move West nowadays.

    But again, less than 1% chance of such a catastrophe.

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    , @Cesar1191
    @Mr. XYZ


    Worth noting that there is also a very real risk of rump independent western Ukraine eventually getting the Gaza treatment at Russian hands in such a scenario due to Russia eventually getting severely fed up with all of the (morally justifiable or at least morally ambiguous) terrorism that western Ukraine will be launching against it. Israel was able to tolerate Hamas rule in Gaza for over 15 years but eventually got severely fed up with Hamas after the extremely massive October 7 massacre and mass hostage-taking.

     

    Yeah, like I said to AP, I don't think this situation would be very sustainable. Unless independent Western Ukraine got some serious protection, people would probably just get out of there, rather than stay and roleplay Gaza with Russia. Ukrainians can leave for safer and more prosperous pastures, so not many would choose to stay in hell, in all likelihood.

    Sounds about right, frankly. If Russia keeps Mariupol and Melitopol, do you think that a lot of Russians will move over there over the next several decades? It’s rather sunny there, no? At least relative to the rest of Russia, other than places like Sochi and Gelendzhik, which should be warmer.

     

    From what I understand, Russians are leaving shithole regions to go to nicer regions in terms of wealth and quality of life, which is very rational. So the question of whether Slavic citizens of Russia would choose to move to captured Ukrainian cities would depend on how much infrastructure investment those cities would receive, and how successful they would end up being.

    Might there be a sizable minority (say, 25-ish %) who would be willing to stay even under Russian rule even if they won’t like it due to their attachment to their cities? About 1/4 of Kherson’s population stayed back when it was under Russian rule, IIRC. A nationalist usually is at least somewhat attached to one’s homeland, no? Most Poles did not emigrate during the 100+ years that Poland was partitioned and not an independent state, for instance. Not even close, I would suspect.

     

    The seizure of Kherson and southern Ukraine was the successful part of the initial Russian invasion, meaning it was done quickly and people barely had time to react.

    That said, I think your question is interesting. Certainly, people in the past lived under empires they didn't like, so why the assumption that Ukrainians would leave? I think there are some differences. For one, it's just a lot easier to move now, logistically. Second, Ukrainians not only have the legal right to go to the West, but they are also seen as desirable immigrants to Westerners. Third, I think there are things about the modern world that are fundamentally different, like low TFR, the ability to see how others live, and even nationalism. In the past, if you were a peasant, you just lived your peasant life, had a lot of children, a lot of them died, and getting food kept you busy, and sure, you kept your language and religion, and these things mattered to you, but you lived a local, simple life, and did not have the time or resources to dream about nationalism or, conversely, a life far away.

    Today things are different, Ukrainians would not want to live in conquered Ukraine for both nationalist and quality of life reasons. The West would offer security, prosperity and probably a chance for Ukrainians to maintain their language and culture in specific locations.

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  249. @songbird
    @LatW


    The boy’s instinct to “bang” shows earlier than I thought.
     
    I was really shocked by some of the things I remember boys saying at a very young age. I think it comes from the culture. Hollywood.

    On the British Isles maybe they did (the Celts?)
     
    I don't have a deep knowledge of it, and am not sure how clear the historical record is. But I do recall a case of two very young Normans being married in very early 1600s Ireland. The boy 14-15, and the girl 12. I think they desperately needed an heir. People witnessed the bedding.

    I think those were actually the legal ages for marriage in England for a long time, though most married older. (BTW, I wonder when the law changed so that minors we're not required to marry the people picked by their guardians.)

    I think that was the historical norm in many places. Definitely Sicily, but I think also in the Roman Empire.

    Even if it shouldn’t be as slow as these days… it’s not natural.
     
    If they need an heir and mortality is really high, than I would say it seems pretty natural.

    Everything is conditional, of course. I suspect 12 isn't an ideal birthing age, but biologically, it wouldn't be much later than that. Economic, Malthusian, and cultural-socio considerations aside. We've hobbled biology for those reasons.

    If we think that teenagers are irresponsible, then I believe that comes from a few sources. One is that most people are irresponsible, especially when removed from traditional social structures and expectations. Another is that some demographic groups are more prone to violence and that is mediated by testosterone levels, so worse in teens. But the brain develops much earlier than 18 or 21. That it develops late is a myth.

    Anyway, if you were colonizing Mars with a small society, looking to dominate the planet, I would say take off the brakes.

    People used to mature much faster in the old days
     
    I think it was maybe a little the other way. Later menarche.

    imagine some 25 year old middle class overeducated chick being pulled through the justice system (or God forbid her mugshot posted in the local newspaper) because she had a fling with some 17 year old athlete!
     
    Perhaps, school should be a contest to get the hot teacher. Make it eugenic. That might actually motivate some people.

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    I was really shocked by some of the things I remember boys saying at a very young age. I think it comes from the culture. Hollywood.

    [MORE]

    Maybe when they’re in their early teens? I’m only around very young boys (under 12), and they are completely innocent. They only talk about their boy world stuff or are learning about the world. But there is just so much stuff out there that they shouldn’t see (even in their late teens).

    There is something called adrenarch that takes place between 6-8, closer to 7, and it’s a noticeable change (androgens are produced). They start sweating and a few other things appear. But they are unaware of what it is. They become a bit more independent, they no longer hug and cuddle as much, and they want to have more of their own space.

    But I do recall a case of two very young Normans being married in very early 1600s Ireland. The boy 14-15, and the girl 12. I think they desperately needed an heir.

    This is a specific case, this happened with nobles, too, due to their specific situation, for example, the Polish queen Jadwiga was only 12 when she married the Lithuanian duke Jogailo (who was 35). But this had nothing to do with age, of course, but because they had difficulties selecting the groom, some already had arranged child fiancees.

    I think that was the historical norm in many places. Definitely Sicily, but I think also in the Roman Empire.

    In the Russian Empire, the legal marriage age for girls was 13, for boys 15, then in 1830 it was changed to 16/18.

    Not sure Sicily is a good example, they have borderline North African and Arabic influences. In Rome marriage was arranged, from young ages (13+), it might make sense given that life expectancy was also quite low. Btw, the girls’ first period doesn’t necessary always come at age 12, it can come a bit later.

    I suspect 12 isn’t an ideal birthing age, but biologically, it wouldn’t be much later than that.

    That is far from ideal, in fact, teenage pregnancy is riskier than later pregnancy. I spoke to a gynecologist once who had delivered many teenage pregnancies and she said it is complicated, that their hips are still too narrow.

    Most men are not interested in 12 year olds. I remember this well, the male interest really started at around 15. But, as a girl, your head is completely in the clouds, you’re not ready.

    Later menarche.

    It changed a little through the ages, it was a little later in the Middle Ages (15).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    Maybe when they’re in their early teens?
     
    Unfortunately, I was talking about even earlier stuff. Of course, I mean "talk", but I remember hearing some things in elementary school, though that is a big group of people and so some outliers are expected. Middle school was even more shocking. By the beginning of high school (9th grade), some of the girls were saying really shocking stuff.

    That is far from ideal, in fact, teenage pregnancy is riskier than later pregnancy. I spoke to a gynecologist once who had delivered many teenage pregnancies and she said it is complicated, that their hips are still too narrow.
     
    Tanner who probably was the most famous guy associated with studying puberty, said it typically ends for females at 15 (and some say that might be a bit an overestimate). I know height tops out at about 14-15 for girls. I'd say 15, to be safe, and the rest is mostly political correctness. Plus, doctors have a bias to do caesareans because they earn more money by doing them.

    Most men are not interested in 12 year olds.
     
    It's an extremely taboo question, so difficult to quantify. Nobody would volunteer for the study to find out. To use very conservative language, I would say most men would favor more developed girls.

    I am sure there is a floor. But it also seems that most men will say that they are not interested in women <18, which is an obvious, and quite hilarious, bald-faced lie.

    It changed a little through the ages, it was a little later in the Middle Ages (15).

     

    Some of the later estimates might actually come from the malnutrition associated with the industrial revolution. Aristotle said 14. And estimates for classical times range 12-14.

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  250. @Greasy William
    @Negronicus


    There’s no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.
     
    1. Wikipedia says that she is 100% black and Wikipedia has never been wrong about anything
    2. Did you see the video (or the Lady Marmalade vid)? Her movements are way too fluid for her to not have substantial West African ancestry.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low’s dirty money. (Btw, “YO LO”?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away
     
    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSzy0gibcU

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    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.

    Dumb Haitians are a huge part of the reason as to why exactly the US got the Louisiana Purchase in the first place, so we should be a little bit more thankful to the Haitians, actually:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/without-haiti-the-united-states-would-in-fact-be-a-shithole/

    So, even dullards could occasionally achieve something of huge value and significance, such as in this specific case. 🙂

  251. @Greasy William
    @Negronicus


    There’s no way Mya be 100% black. More like 100% southern italian.
     
    1. Wikipedia says that she is 100% black and Wikipedia has never been wrong about anything
    2. Did you see the video (or the Lady Marmalade vid)? Her movements are way too fluid for her to not have substantial West African ancestry.

    Pras took that video too seriously and was in 2021 convicted for political conspiracy (max 20 years). He got in too deep with Jho Low’s dirty money. (Btw, “YO LO”?) Looks like Pras was the fall guy while whiteys like DiCaprio walked away
     
    All Haitians are functionally retarded. Stupidest nation on the planet. Furthermore, being a retard seems to be a requirement to be a successful American rapper so Pras got hit with double retardation.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MSzy0gibcU

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Negronicus

    Wow, I want 4:31 minutes of my life back after watching that Moulin Rouge Lady Marmalade video. All of the women in that G-d forsaken video are unattractive, Mya the least so. You could probably find a Mizrahi women to fill in for her. I guess the newer video was popular, but the singing was nicer in the original Labelle version. At least now after 49 years I know most of the words.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    Christina deliberately ugged herself for the vid. Pink and Lil' Kim are just naturally ugly (remember in "Hit em' Up" when Tupac goes, "Lil' Kim don't fuck around with real G's quick to snatch yo' ugly ass of the streets"?).

    I don't know why you are bashing Mya though. She looks good in the vid, I think. She is stunning in the "Ghetto Superstar" video.


    You could probably find a Mizrahi women to fill in for her
     
    Most Mizrahi women are much lighter than Mya. Mya also shows some trace West African features and even has the American black woman sneer.
  252. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Wow, I want 4:31 minutes of my life back after watching that Moulin Rouge Lady Marmalade video. All of the women in that G-d forsaken video are unattractive, Mya the least so. You could probably find a Mizrahi women to fill in for her. I guess the newer video was popular, but the singing was nicer in the original Labelle version. At least now after 49 years I know most of the words.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Christina deliberately ugged herself for the vid. Pink and Lil’ Kim are just naturally ugly (remember in “Hit em’ Up” when Tupac goes, “Lil’ Kim don’t fuck around with real G’s quick to snatch yo’ ugly ass of the streets”?).

    I don’t know why you are bashing Mya though. She looks good in the vid, I think. She is stunning in the “Ghetto Superstar” video.

    You could probably find a Mizrahi women to fill in for her

    Most Mizrahi women are much lighter than Mya. Mya also shows some trace West African features and even has the American black woman sneer.