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回应罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz)的 “戴维欧文的杰出史学”,这则笔记将进一步说明读者对詹姆斯·N·肯尼特(James N. Kennett)的评论,他说:“在我看来,他的工作问题不是他所包含的细节可能不准确,而是事实他已经离开了。 任何人都可以通过遗漏不合适的证据来讲述一个好故事。 欧文也创造了这句话 “奥斯威辛集中营的幸存者,大屠杀的幸存者和其他骗子—ASSHOLES” 您不必成为大屠杀行业的支持者,就可以意识到这是无聊的麻木感,并且是对幸存者的历史性侮辱。 它不是表明一个独特的天才的历史学家,而是一个变态的思想的产物。” (我在此处添加了链接-Kennett没有提供-对此链接的恰当评论,该评论已张贴在“ Good Reads”上。)

我的2000本书 为什么发生大屠杀 (发布商随后倒闭,因此不再可用)讨论了大屠杀的历史和史学; 并且,尽管那里没有提及戴维·欧文的著作(但是希特勒对“希特勒的独裁者”所作的解释更多了“可敬”的支持者),但有关欧文先生,却提出了很多(如肯尼特所言),“我认为欧文的作品是无效的,因为这些遗漏的动机很明显,而且大多数历史学家都不认为这是可接受的。 以下是其中的一些遗漏-欧文(Irving)完全遗漏了这些东西,或者不合理地贬低了它们-(页面引用了给定摘录出现在我书中的位置):

第229-230页:

尽管学术界内部和外部的大屠杀否认者有明显的欺诈行为,但没有严重的疑问是大屠杀的存在,并且它构成了范围难以想象的犯罪。 同样毫无疑问的是,尽管在大学内外都有骗子,但事实是,阿道夫·希特勒(Adolf Hitler)拥有犯罪动机,纳粹党和其他“实地”肇事者是他实施犯罪的手段。 帝国安全总部犹太事务局局长阿道夫·艾希曼(Adolf Eichmann)于1983年说 艾希曼审问 (第75页),是在1941年92月或21月,他的老板“海德里希(Heydrich)为我送来了。 我报告了……他首先发表了一点讲话,然后说:“菲勒已经下令进行了身体消灭。” 这些是他的话。 ……法勒下令将犹太人彻底消灭。” 而且(xxii,1939)艾希曼(Eichmann)还承认,直到21年1939月31日,海德里希(Heydrich)才将“对犹太人的物理灭绝”的“基本概念”告知希特勒,这是“最终目标”。 。” 艾希曼的回忆是当天的事:海德里希的官方命令提到“最终目标(需要很长的时间)”,日期是1941年710月XNUMX日。戈林于XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日指示海德里希为“所需目标”制定详细计划犹太问题的最终解决方案”(第XNUMX-PS号文件, 审判主要战犯)。 希特勒的签名甚至出现在630年1月1939日的文件(XNUMX-PS)上,该文件授权残疾人和其他“不治之症”的“安乐死”。 医生原本以书面形式想要并得到了它。 而在他的 秘密对话 (表谈话)在21年1941月24日)中,希特勒结束了他对犹太人的长篇大论:“通过消灭这种有害生物,我们将为人类提供我们的士兵不知道的服务。” 希姆勒在1943年XNUMX月XNUMX日的一次演讲中公开表示,这对于“消灭细菌是必要的,因为我们最终不希望被细菌感染并死亡”。 希特勒在大屠杀中的罪恶感毫无疑问,无论新纳粹分子怎么说。

第218页:

到1939年1940月,希特勒的正式政策是驱逐所有犹太人。 到1976年XNUMX月,这是专门将他们驱逐到马达加斯加的目标,这一目标甚至比驱逐本身更不可行,因为“马达加斯加计划”是击败法国和英国的先决条件,因此实际上甚至不算是短暂的。长期量度,即它所呈现的样子。 希特勒知道得更多。 在此过程中,他巧妙地设置了许多知名度高的公开展示,以表明外国不愿接受他作为难民提供的大量无家可归的犹太人。 (正如鲁道夫·比尼翁(Rudolph Binion)在XNUMX年指出的那样 希特勒在德国人中pp。29-30,希特勒甚至在1939年初解雇了帝国银行首长Hjalmar Schacht,因为Schacht在促进驱逐犹太人方面过于有效。 还有宾宁(Binion)和理查德·布雷特曼(Richard Breitman)的1991年 种族灭绝的建筑师》,第50-1页,记载了连希特勒都承认驱逐犹太人实际上只是“出口反犹太主义”而已。)希特勒高兴地观察到其他国家的尴尬,这些国家宣称反对反犹太主义,但是对这些绝望的难民冷落了肩膀。 希特勒正试图驱逐他。 其他国家只是拒绝接受他提供给他们的东西。 例如,美国不仅没有增加针对犹太人的移民配额,而且没有增加犹太人的移民配额。 它甚至没有承认尽可能多的犹太人。 大卫·怀曼(David S. Wyman)1984 放弃犹太人 文件(第100、365、410页)再次拒绝了富兰克林·罗斯福总统与犹太领导人会面以解决这一问题,并且还确立了总统对纳粹的反犹太灭绝行为的个人认识。 对于希特勒来说,这种国际反应本身就是种族灭绝“梦游”的一部分。 在20年1942月23日举行的Wannsee会议以协调涉及“最终解决方案”的所有国家机构的行动之时,所有参与者都从Führer自己写的一部剧本中读取了各自的角色。 到那时,他们都为这些角色做好了准备-真正地了解他们。 三天后,即XNUMX月XNUMX日,希特勒在 秘密对话 (座谈会)就此事讽刺希姆勒,希姆勒非常了解他对犹太人的政策所说的意思:“我非常人道。 …但是,如果他们拒绝自愿离开,除了灭绝我没有其他解决办法。”

页15:

显然,大屠杀是在第二次世界大战的背景下发生的。 然而,这实际上使希特勒和他的战斗部队的注意力从战争中转移了出去,不必要地加重了全球对德国的反对,并变成了彻头彻尾的敌人,有才华的人本来应该是中立的,甚至是“爱国的德国人”。 大屠杀纯粹是根据军事手段来判断的,它充其量是可疑的,反之则适得其反。 霍斯特·冯·马尔蒂茨(Horst von Maltitz)在1973年就此方面做出了敏锐的观察 希特勒德国的演变 (p。171),“从西部运送犹太人到波兰灭绝营地的铁路运输火车,比急需部队和战争物资的火车优先。 此外,尽管工厂经理强烈反对,但被占领的波兰的弹药厂急需的熟练犹太工人被运到了灭绝中心。 根据波兰大使Jan Ciechanowski的说法,他在1947年 击败胜利 (第179页),他亲自于28年1943月XNUMX日在白宫向美国总统罗斯福递交了备忘录,其中说:“对整个犹太人口的空前破坏不是出于德国的军事要求。 希特勒及其下属的目标是在战争结束之前,不管结果如何,彻底摧毁犹太人。” 因此提出了一个基本问题:德国的战争努力与大屠杀之间是什么关系? 哪个服务哪个; 希特勒的最终目标是什么?

菲勒在自杀前的话-他对战争目标的最后的最高陈述-敦促他的人民继续战争,直到战胜他认为是唯一的真正敌人为止:“所有国家,国际上的毒药犹太人。” 他的仇敌是万国的犹太人。 这也揭示了为什么在大屠杀中被屠杀的犹太人中有96%以上不是来自德国。 我们确实将表明,对于希特勒而言,击败敌人无非是消灭了所有犹太人。

换句话说,对希特勒而言,“大屠杀”(“最终解决方案”)不是军事手段,而是军事目标。 实际上,这是中央军事目标,甚至超过了勒本斯劳姆的扩张。 为了了解为什么发生了大屠杀,因此有必要了解为什么希特勒如此狂热而如此地憎恨犹太人,以至于他们的灭绝无非令他满意。

这些是有关戴维欧文提出的观点的关键摘录。

欧文指出,希特勒不了解灭绝世界犹太人的意图,如果有意图的话。 但是,欧文并不否认进行了局部灭绝。 欧文声称希特勒的下属知道并想要这些当地的暴行,但希特勒只希望把犹太人从任何地方驱逐出去,送往马达加斯加。 但是,这种驱逐实际上是希特勒的财务大臣Hjalmar Schacht的意图和期望,而希特勒最终将他降级,也许正是出于这个原因。 希特勒当然不希望沙赫特知道他对犹太人的计划实际上是什么。 希特勒只是想让一些有钱的犹太人买单,因为他试图尽可能推迟任何人对他的“解决犹太人问题的最终解决方案”的意图的了解。 此外,正如我的书中所指出的那样,希特勒希望使FDR和丘吉尔尽其所能。 他竭尽所能避免泄漏自己的意图,特别是他为何持有这些意图。 此外,欧文(Irving)在脚注中指出,艾希曼(Eichmann)作证说已被海德里希(Heydrich)告知,“菲勒(Führer)已下令进行肢体灭绝”,但欧文只是以这样的说法来驳斥:“这种说法没有主要或次要的文件支持。 。 当然,这种证据不足以在英国地方法院裁定犯有流氓自行车盗窃罪。 欧文(Irving)在1977年版《导读》的引言中说,他无视一切与他的希特勒形象不符的东西,“可能是德国本世纪所知道的最弱的领导人”。 希特勒的战争。 1991年的版本将其更改为“希特勒是一个比想象中要少得多的万能的弗勒,而他对下属的控制力随着时间的流逝而减弱。” 当然,这就是说事件越接近实际发生的大屠杀,在欧文看来,希特勒对大屠杀的责任越小。 对欧文来说,德国人是悲惨的受害者,但许多人对英国,犹太人,共产主义者和其他一些人所遭受的虐待反应过度。

尽管我的书没有提到欧文,但它确实与(其中包括)关于大屠杀的作家(其中包括讨厌德国人的作家和讨厌欧文似乎讨厌犹太人的作家)(丹尼尔·戈德哈根)有很多联系。 两位作家的问题在于,尽管他们从部落的相反立场出发写作,但他们都是部落的(一个是“犹太人”,另一个是“雅利安人”,即纯血统的基督教徒,或者至少不是“犹太人”)。 要成为一个历史学家,而不仅仅是某种宣传家,就必须放弃任何部族主义。 不幸的是,戈德哈根的部落主义被认为是可以接受的,而欧文的部落主义则不被接受。 当今的巴勒斯坦人以及许多其他人是下列地区的受害者 戈德哈根的部落形式。 但是,也许随着大屠杀的消退,随着几十年的过去,部落主义本身也再次变得流行。 实际上,部落主义似乎再次在世界范围内流行。 例如看 美国政府及其沙特阿拉伯和阿联酋伙伴对也门什叶派部落胡希斯的所作所为。 甚至种族灭绝也再次变得“可以接受”(肯定对美国政府及其盟国而言)。 欧文恢复为“可接受性”只是这一更广泛趋势的一部分。

 

调查历史学家埃里克·祖塞斯(Eric Zuesse)是《 他们还差得很远:1910-2010年民主党与共和党的经济记录,基督的复仇者:创造基督教的事件.

 
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  1. I’m sorry. I’d be all for reading a coherent summary of the evidence that Hitler 做了 order the Holocaust — but this ain’t it.

    I got half-way through the second excerpt before I gave up. We’d already logged one fact that argued Hitler having ordered the Holocaust — his willingness to sign an order for the euthanasia program. Obviously — or one would think it was obvious — a demonstrated willingness to sign other orders for mass murder hardly bolsters the case for the argument that Hitler wanted the Holocaust but was unwilling to issue a written order for it.

    Then we have a simple irrelevancy — Himmler’s acknowledgment of the Holocaust. Then there’s a misrepresentation of the facts. Supposedly, Hitler was being grossly and consciously unrealistic when he proposed the Madagascar Plan in June 1940 because that would have required the defeat of France and Britain.

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940. Hitler did indeed think Britain was as well. So it would seem that the Madagascar Plan was proposed in all seriousness. Far from France and Britain being defeated being a pipe-dream, that June it seemed to be a reality.

    Finally, we have the claim that Schacht was fired because he was too successful at resettling Jews.

    ! Schacht was fired because he wouldn’t endorse Hitler’s increasingly risky ploys to finance rearmament — not because he succeeded in driving Jews out of Germany.

    I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. As I say, I’m all for reading an article that effectively marshals the evidence for the counter-argument. This piece isn’t it, however.

  2. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站

    This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to share this book review for a while, and I think this the appropriate venue to do so:

    愤怒地回望

    Reviewed by Peter Novick
    星期天,五月1 2005;

    BURIED BY THE TIMES

    The Holocaust and America’s

    最重要的报纸

    By Laurel Leff. Cambridge Univ. 426 pp.

    And there was sometimes a calculated reason for deemphasizing special Jewish victimhood. Americans were far more focused on the Japanese than on the German enemy (“Remember Pearl Harbor”). That the Nazis were the enemy of the Jews was well known; the task was to portray Nazi Germany as the mortal enemy of “free men everywhere.” Hence the (sometimes exaggerated) emphasis on other victims. And, given continued high levels of anti-Semitism in the United States, not emphasizing Hitler’s war against the Jews was an attempt to sidestep the claim that America was engaged in a war for the Jews.
    [...]
    In the United States the Zionist Jewish Frontier warned against forgetting “what was done to the Czechs, the Poles, the Jews, the Russians.” Universalizing the portrayal of Nazi barbarism was a common strategy to discredit the idea that the war against Nazi Germany was a war for the Jews. One can argue, as Leff does, that this concern was exaggerated, but if ever a strategy was “well meant,” this was it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/28/AR2005042801313.html 存档的链接: http://archive.is/unVm6 来源: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buried_by_the_Times#cite_note-10

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  3. ‘…Hitler certainly didn’t want Schacht to know what his plans for the Jews actually were. Hitler just wanted some rich Jews to buy their ways out, since he tried to postpone for as long as possible anyone’s knowledge of what his intended “Final Solution to the Jewish problem” actually was…’

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war. Ironically, Germany’s Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this. They were warned in good time, and got out.

    大概有 is an effective counter-argument to Irving’s thesis out there. However, this ain’t it. The author presents us with a porridge of irrelevancies, inaccuracies, and even evidence that undermines his own thesis and supports Irving’s.

    • 回复: @Thomm
    , @Reinhard Horn
    , @Skeptikal
  4. Thomm 说:

    Speaking of Hitler, Roosh wrote a famous article about how White Trashionalists are using that as a crutch :

    http://www.rooshv.com/are-there-differences-in-race

    “I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority.”

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

  5. I never questioned a word of it, not even the lampshades or the soap stories, until Irving was punished for his views. Since then, what I find to be “crass insensitivity, and an ahistorical insult” is the endless repetition of the Six Million Lie when in fact over 55 million people did die as a result of WWI, and “somehow” that incredible number has been relegated to a lesser place in history due to the creation of the Jewish victimhood meme. WWII was simply a continuation of WWI which was largely brought about, deliberately for the purpose of profit, control and creating a New World Order, by financiers in London and NY, most of whom claimed to be Jews.

    Certainly people of all stripes suffered, war by definition is evil, but since the word holocaust means a burnt offering I would think that the fire bombing of civilians in cities better fits that description than The Holocaust mythology based on gassings and incinerations on an industrial scale for which little to no hard evidence exists and much of what does can be shown to have been fabricated. It’s interesting also that both Britain and the US built a variety of four engined, long range, heavy bombers ideal for laying waste to large civilian centres whilst Germany built none.

  6. peterAUS 说:

    Good article, overall.

    Of particular interest:

    ……what was the relationship between Germany’s war effort and the Holocaust? Which served which; what was Hitler’s ultimate objective?

    …..it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum.

    Feels, just, too focused on one man and military matters only. War effort is a bit more than just “military matter”.
    I’d just rephrase into:

    ……what was the relationship between Germany’s war effort and the Holocaust? Which served which; what was the Nazi regime ultimate objective?

    …..it was the central war objective, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum.

    • 同意: Momus
  7. Thomm 说:
    @Colin Wright

    If Hitler didn’t actually want the Jews to leave Germany, he was spectacularly ineffectual. Something like half of Germany’s Jews did succeed in leaving before the war.

    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?

  8. Anonymous [AKA "Mabuse"] 说:

    It’s not A.S.S.H.O.L.E.S “The Auschwitz Survivors, Survivors of the Holocaust, and Other Liars”; it’s
    ASSHOL: Association of Spurious Survivors of the Holocaust and Other Liars.

  9. Funny, really funny.
    No matter who ordered Holo.
    Mr. Adolf organised the totalitarian Germany -> was an enabler of Holo.
    Perfectly normal Germans (not the SS, not the KL guards) killed over 200 000 KL prisoners in spring 1945, during the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.
    They did it because The State told them they can and they should.
    No matter who ordered – grandpa Hitler signed under all this and he was responsible.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @peterAUS
    , @Curmudgeon
  10. @Colin Wright

    Ahem. France was defeated in June 1940.

    You never saw Casablanca? Remember where Rick and Captain Renault decide to go at the end? 布拉柴维尔:

    During World War II Brazzaville and the rest of French Equatorial Africa remained beyond the control of Vichy France; the city served as the capital of France Libre from 1940–1943.

    • 不同意: utu
    • 回复: @ploni almoni
  11. @Thomm

    I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all?

    One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?

    • 回复: @dearieme
    , @Svigor
  12. @Thomm

    ‘I always wondered why only half left. If it was easy to leave for a multi-year window, why risk it at all? Were the ones who stayed the ones who owned too much land or had a business that they refused to abandon?’

    Well, (1) German Jews were very assimilated; rates of intermarriage, etc were very high. German Jews Germans, and until 水晶之夜 the general hope seems to have been that it would all somehow blow over.

    (2) It wasn’t so easy to get out; few countries wanted immigrants at all, much less Jews.

    Nevertheless, by the time war broke out, those left were disproportionately the poor and elderly. Obviously, for these groups, somehow getting abroad and making a new life were particularly daunting prospects. After all, thirty year old Colin might be perfectly willing to move to New Zealand, and so would sixty year old Colin if he had a few million dollars. Impoverished, elderly Colin would find the prospect daunting, and anyway, New Zealand probably wouldn’t let him in.

  13. utu 说:

    Eric Zuesse hates Christianity and Catholic Church in particular, so he decided to implicate it in Holocaust claiming that Hitler’s true motives behind planning and executing the Holocaust was Christianity. Just another Christianity hating kook.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @bjondo
    , @Eric Zuesse
  14. The essential question for me about WWII, from the point of view that jews caused this war in order to get regime change in Germany, is: was Hitler justified in reducing jewish power in Germany, or were jews justified in causing war to removed Hitler ?
    I already posted an interesting link here, found just now with Russia Today.

    Those interested in the question I can recommend three books by jews:

    《基督教与匈牙利犹太人的大屠杀》,Moshe Y Herclz,1993年,纽约大学出版社

    ``从偏见到破坏'',雅各布·卡茨(Jacob Katz),1980年,剑桥,马萨诸塞州

    Ismar Schorsch,“犹太人对德国反犹太主义的反应,1870年-1914年”,纽约,1972年

    But the present situation in the USA is enough to answer the question.
    To what extent there was a holocaust, does it matter ?
    WWII caused some ten million German deaths.

  15. @Thomm

    In 1938, it seems, the relationship between German jews and the Hitler regime had stabilised.
    Therefore, again, it seems, jewry provoked the Kristallnacht by murdering a German diplomat in Paris.
    Renéd'Argile等人,1958年,威斯巴登市的Das Geheimnis um die Urschen des Zweiten Weltkrieges(Les OriginalsSecrêtesde la Guerre,1939年-1945年,巴黎1958年)。

    • 回复: @Anon
  16. @FKA Max

    From quite a few books one can learn that FDR, Churchill and Stalin did anything they could to prevent the idea that WWII was a jewish war.
    The jewish declaration of war on the Hitler regime of 1933 is seldom mentioned, yet USA newspapers had big headlines ‘Judea declares war on Germany’.
    In the Netherlands in WWII the underground press reported about death camps, those living at the time did not believe it, a relative told me.
    Another relative was convinced that those deported faced death, do not know why.
    Faurisson read, if I remember correctly, 15.000 pages of WWII memoirs by FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, etc.
    No mention of genocide on jews.
    Decoded Enigma messages made clear that far more entered the camps than left.
    Yet, at the end of 1944 Ben Gurion did not want the Auschwitz camps bombed ‘jews might be killed’.
    The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?
    我会。

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @my2cents
  17. @Colin Wright

    ” I am skeptical of Irving’s thesis; it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing ”

    But what if it did not happen ?
    Even jew Klemperer wusste nicht, those he visited after the Dresden bombing made it possible to travel to old acquintences, new identity, far away, did not even know that jews were persecuted.
    匿名,“六百万的神话”,洛杉矶,1973 年,1969 年
    Victor Klemperer,“我将见证,纳粹时期的日记,1942-1945”,纽约,1999

  18. j2 说:

    I apologize for a too long comment, but cannot make it shorter. I have always found problematic the view that Hitler did not know of the genocide of 6M Jews if it happened. The task is to prove that it happened.

    I find the following a convincing and sufficient argument that the official account of the holocaust is wrong: There were slightly over 3 million Jews in the Western countries and Western Poland or transported from the East to West who could have died or survived in any manner in the countries under German control outside the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Romania. Starting from this 3M we subtract known survivors 0.41M, transported to Sobibor,Treblinka, Belcez 1.45M, Chelmno 0.1M, died in Majdanek 0.059M, died in work camps and ghettos in Poland 0.17M, died in Theresienstadt 0.03M, died in camps in Germany 0.3M, survived in Western Poland not caught by Nazis 0.08M. Together there sum to 2.6M meaning that in Auschwitz could have died maximum 400,000 Jews. It is claimed that in Auschwitz died 1-1.5M Jews. Consequently, the official account is wrong and it is not proven that 6M died. Indeed, from total figures before 1939 and in 1946 follows that 4.5M Jews are missing assuming that the Soviet figures for 1939 are correct, which is improbable, and 3.5M assuming that 1M more that admitted migrated to the USA before 1939, which is highly probable based on the US statistics. A further reduction to 3.5M is possible in case there were fewer Jews in Eastern Europe in 1939. This cannot be neither confirmed nor refuted.
    I will next go to the arguments posed by Eric Zuesse.

    The term physical extermination appears in the interrogation of Eichmann. I must admit that this information should be supported by something more concrete and as it is not supported by anything, it is of little weight. Rudolf Höss for instance says in his memories contradictory things: Nazi witnesses cannot be always trusted to tell the truth. In the other places there is extermination instead of physical extermination indicating that extermination does not necessarily mean physical extermination. This distinction must have been the reason why the Eichmann’s statement mentions physical extermination and if we exclude that statement, then it allows understanding the other cases as extermination, possibly not physical. (The word can mean removal, uprooting). “Other incurables” in the euthanasia order cannot without reasonable doubt be interpreted as an order to physically exterminate the Jews. The final plan was prepared, but the only plan known is of transfer to the East and unclear goal of eventually settling the Jews somewhere after the war. This passage from Zuesse’s book does not prove Hitler’s guilt without reasonable doubt.

    Second quote. The sentence “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination” suffers from the same problem, it uses the term extermination, not physical extermination. I doubt Hitler ever took the Madagascar plan seriously. His goal in my opinion was to move Jews to Palestine. In his library is a book with Hitler’s underline on restoration of the Jews to Palestine. It fits to Hitler’s Jewish financiers and to his claim that the war was created by the Jewry. Certainly I can agree that neither Hitler, nor Zionists, wanted Jews to escape all over the world as it would only create Anti-Semitism where there was not, as Herzl said. The goal was Israel.

    Third quote. What possible gains did Hitler imagine from physical extermination of Jews in Europe if there still were millions of Jews in the USA? They would return to Europe. Think of your Hitler quote: if the Jews do not leave voluntarily, the only solution is extermination. It does not say physical extermination and can mean forced uprooting, removal. Where Hitler wanted them to leave voluntarily, as not everywhere in the world just to create new Anti-Semitism? What did Hitler think was the goal of international Jewry in the Balfour declaration that caused the loss of Germany in WWI? All of these question have the same answer: Palestine, to create Israel. International Jewry headed by millionaire bankers wanted Jews to create Israel. Only that would stop Anti-Semitism. Killing even every European Jew would not achieve it as there were American Jews. Killing European Jews would only result to the Jewry creating a new war in the USA to push the Jews to Palestine. Many would surely die in such a transfer operation, but that was acceptable as there had to be for cleansing of the people, a predicted sacrifice, a holocaust, without which there could not be redemption and no Exodus and restoration. God says, do not come in front of me empty handed. A sacrifice is needed. The poisoner of all nations, international Jewry, could not be destroyed by killing European Jews, it could only be destroyed by doing what the Jewry wanted. And this Jewry believed that it was the only solution to Anti-Semitism, the final solution, the final fulfillment of prophesy.

    Zuesse writes correctly, apologists of either the Aryan or the Jewish positions (but Zuesse is one of them) cannot describe the events correctly. Someone who is neither can do it more objectively. We are talking about a Messianic plan, not Lebensraum or military goals.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  19. Anonymous [AKA "Robert A."] 说:

    I had a patient in a hospital in Northern California a number of years ago. She was a German woman, a “war bride”. She told me she was from a very high aristocratic German family. Her grandfather had been the Kaiser’s war secretary. All the male relatives were die-hard fervent devotees of Hitler. The women all hated him. I suggested to her that maybe the holocaust and WW2 were really not just Hitler’s plan but a collective plan of many Germans. She then told me firmly that the whole affair over there was all Hitler’s doing. She was right there in the middle of it all. Documents and scholars can be extremely deceptive. But she was an eye-witness in the middle of it. This is what she told me she saw. She told me this lying on a hospital bed late one night.
    She said her family lived on the western side of Germany and was at home with the other female family members when an American jeep drove up towards the house. All the male family members were away. She was just a young woman and the other women there pushed her out the front door towards the GI’s. She half expected to be raped. But the soldiers instead gave her Vogue magazines, nylon stockings and I think chocolate too. She ended up marrying one of them. She told me that the wealthy women on the east side of Germany all carried cyanide pills in case of rape, but the American soldiers had a little better reputation. This conversation took place about 20 years ago.

    • 回复: @bjondo
    , @bj
  20. anon[332]• 免责声明 说:

    Let’s say Hitler didn’t order the Holocaust – but it was still, to some significant, if exaggerated, extent, carried out.

    还等什么?

    “Hitler didn’t know and give the orders.” So what? Does this change our understanding of history? Are white people no longer obligated to ethnically cleanse themselves from their own nations through mass immigration?

  21. animalogic 说:
    @Thomm

    They were often poor (I’m not 100% sure but I believe it cost a lot to “get out” of Germany)

    • 回复: @Uebersetzer
  22. kikl 说:

    “Heydrich’s official order, referring to “the final goal (which will require a lengthy period),” was dated 21 September 1939. On 31 July 1941 Göring instructed Heydrich to draw up detailed plans for “the desired final solution of the Jewish question” (document 710-PS in Trial of the Major War Criminals)”

    I think you are referring to this letter:

    Please note that the letter talks about solving the Jewish question “in Form der Auswanderung oder Evakuierung”, i.e. “by emigration or evacuation”, evacuation meaning forced expulsion.

    So this document actually contradicts the extermination theory. Here is another document:

    “It has been joined by others, like the extraordinary note dictated by
    Staatssekretär Franz Schlegelberger in the Reich Ministry of Justice in the
    spring of 1942: ‘Reich Minister Lammers,’ this states, ‘informed me that
    the Führer has repeatedly pronounced that he wants the solution of the
    Jewish Question put off until after the war is over.’ Whatever way one
    reads this document, it is incompatible with the notion that Hitler had
    ordered an urgent liquidation programme. (The document’s original is in
    justice ministry file R22/52 in the archives at Koblenz.)

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web.pdf

    Page: xxvi

    The fact of the matter is that we have both documents supporting and contradicting the extermination theory and Hitler’s involvement.

    “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he had left out. ”

    I think that this is also a problem of your article.

  23. @Dave Pinsen

    And surely you must have seen “the Fighting Kentuckian” with John Wayne. Following Napoleon’s Waterloo defeat and the exile of his officers and their families from France, the U.S.Congress, in 1817, granted four townships in the Alabama territory to the exiles. Led by Colonel Georges Geraud and General Paul DeMarchand, the struggling settlers have made a thriving community, called Demopolis, by the summer of 1819. On a shopping trip to Mobile, Fleurette DeMarchand, the General’s daughter, meets John Breen, a Kentucky rifleman, who detours his regiment through Demopolis to court her. But Fleurette, despite her wish to marry for love, must bow to the needs of her fellow exiles, who are at the mercy of the rich and wealthy Blake Randolph, and who wants her as his bride. But John Breen has no intention of allowing that to happen, resigns from his regiment, and takes up the fight against Randolph and his hirelings. If Congress had not taken away their land grants they would surely have returned and reconquered France.

    And then there was “La Resistance.” And then there were the Moon Landings. You must have seen the Moon Landings?

  24. 两件事情:
    1) Quoting what Eichmann said about Hitler while in Israeli custody as “evidence” against Hitler is simply comical.
    2) The only thing that makes ‘The Holocaust’ a SPECIAL AND UNIQUE genocide (as opposed to the ‘usual kind … revenge via mass murder) is the alleged use of “human gas chambers” for the mass extermination of Jews. It is easy to prove that this defining feature of the horror story is a total lie, certainly in the context of that manufactured Disneyland of ultimate nightmare fantasies, Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

    a) The chemical evidence re concentration of ferrocyanide in the walls demonstrates that the 仅由 gas chambers in Auschwitz were small and used for killing the lice that spread Typhus through the camp, i.e. to keep inmates healthy.
    b) The Director of Auschwitz admitted on camera that the ‘human gas chamber’ was constructed in 1946.
    c) Coke delivery records can be used to estimate the number of corpses cremated and there is no contradiction between this figure and the official records of deceased in the camp, mostly from typhus. (Read Carlo Mottagno on Auschwitz coke deliveries)
    d) Bodies killed by cyanide poisoning are bright red/pink because of burst capillaries near the skin surface. NOT A SINGLE EYE WITNESS, inmate or guard reported seeing such corpses either near the alleged gas chamber, nor in transit to the crematoria, nor in the crematoria by those alleged to have dumped the hundreds of thousands of victims there for burning.

    How staggering is that? This apophatic evidence (evidence by absence) is, perhaps, the strongest proof that this centrepiece of the Holocaust nightmare fantasy never happened.

    Yes, Jews were massacred in large numbers in the East. There were doubtless other unspeakable horrors committed against innocent Jews during WW2. However, there were equal obscenities committed against many other parties and these horrors are overshadowed by even greater crimes against Soviet citizens by their Jewish-dominated government, pre WWII. Indeed many killings in the East were acts of revenge on lands “liberated” by Germany in previously Soviet-occupied countries.

    这是问题。
    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn “their” collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?

    Answer: Because their suffering (i.e. the suffering of the Satanic leadership that Christ condemned, who hold The Jewish people in mental enslavement as human shields) is totally fictional. These people WON World War Two.

    • 回复: @byrresheim
  25. Seeing that comments questioning the existence of human gas chambers in Auschwitz (The “Holocaust” that really sustains the new world religion today) are unacceptable to Unz Review, what about this from the Head of British Intelligence during WW2?

    Statement by Head of British Intelligence about gas-chamber stories
    Public Record Office Document, FO 371/34551

    This Foreign Office document was declassified ages ago, after the 30-year period, and yet David
    Irving seems about the only British historian who has wanted to comment upon it.

    <span>2013-08-30</span>
    “In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as “trustworthy.’ The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded.

    Mr Allen and myself have both followed German atrocities quite closely. I do not believe that there is any evidence which would be accepted in a Law Court that Polish children have been killed on the spot by Germans when their parents were being deported to work in Germany, nor that Polish children have been sold to German settlers. As regards putting Poles to death in gas chambers, I do not believe that there is any evidence that this has been done, There have been many stories to this effect, and we have played them up, in P.W.E. [Psy Warfare Executive] rumours without believing that they had any foundation. At any rate there is far less evidence than exists for the mass murder of Polish officers by the Russians at Katyn. On
    the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour.

    I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publicly giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the story of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie and led to the true stories of German enormities being brushed aside as being mere propaganda…”

    (signed) V Cavendish-Bentinck

    Comment: If a world religion founded on a lie, would that make it a Satanic religion? A threat to the future of humanity?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  26. Anon[379]• 免责声明 说:

    Unfortunately, Goldhagen’s tribalism is considered acceptable, whereas Irving’s isn’t. Today’s Palestinians — and many others — are victims of Goldhagen’s particular form of tribalism. But perhaps as the Holocaust recedes from view… tribalism itself is becoming fashionable again, too. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world. Look, for example, at what the U.S. Government and its Saudi and UAE partners are doing to the Houthis, a Shiite tribe, in Yemen.

    Sheesh. The problem of Goldhagen in relation to Palestinians isn’t tribalism or nationalism. It is IMPERIALISM. If Zionists compromised and allowed a nation-state for Palestinians, Jewish tribalism could co-exist with Palestinian tribalism. Unfortunately, Zionists are in imperialist mode and denying the right of tribalism to the Palestinians. Jewish Globalists are tribal-imperialists. Their attitude is ‘tribalism for me but not for thee’. THAT is the problem. If Jews accepted universal tribalism/nationalism, they would get along better with other nations. But even as they promote their own tribalism, they attack the tribalism of others. Jews use their influence to destroy Arab nations or sanction Iran. These Wars for Israel have led to the swamping of Europe with ‘refugees’.

    Tribal-nationalism has always been defensive against imperialism. It was tribal-nationalist passions that led to wars of resistance against European and American imperialism in Vietnam and Algeria. Long live tribalism.

    EU is now neo-imperialist and seeks to undermine national sovereignty and security of European nations. Resurgent nationalism says NO to this. Tribalism is anti-imperialist. Italian tribal-populists have no designs on OTHER nations. They are nationalist and, as such, opposed to demographic imperialism of those black Africans who arrive in Italy to beat up Italian men and hump Italian women.

    The problem with Nazis wasn’t tribalism or nationalism. They invaded and trampled on the tribal-nationalism of other nations. Resistance against Nazi imperialism was tribal-nationalist. And resistance against Soviet imperialism in Eastern Europe was also nationalist-imperialist. If Nazi Germany had remained tribal-nationalist and not turned imperialist, there would have been no WWII.

    What is happening in Yemen is the result of imperialism, not tribalism. It is US-Saudi-Zionist imperialism that is waging war on Yemenese struggle for sovereignty.

    Tribalist-nationalism never hurt anyone. Tibetans and Palestinians are tribal-nationalist. They want freedom and independence for their people in their own territory. Their hopes were crushed by Han Chinese and Zionist imperialism.

    Jewish Tribalism per se isn’t the problem. If Jews want to preserve their tribal culture and memory, fine. If Jews want a nation of their own, fine again.
    Unfortunately, that isn’t enough for Jews. They must occupy even the few remaining Palestinian territory. And they must use the hammer of US globo-homo-imperialism to wage Wars for Israel and pressure EU to put out to demographic imperialism that is totally altering the racial and cultural character of Europe.

    • 同意: mark green
    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Josecanuc
  27. Anon[379]• 免责声明 说:
    @Thomm

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    Defective or mainstream, the white race will be inferior in the pornified and thugged culture of rap and ‘muh dick’ jungle fever. Look at Europe. Macron says 200 million blacks will come in the next 20 yrs. These Negroes will be stronger and have bigger dongs than white men. They will whup inferior wussy white boys. ‘Mainstream’ or ‘defective’, it don’t matter. And they will colonize white wombs.

    By rules of thuggery and ‘muh dick’, whites are inferior to blacks. But thug culture is the new culture.

    So, whites must resist and survive as an inferior race.

  28. Anon[379]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bendin of Poland

    Right. It’s like Stalin and Mao didn’t order all the bloodbaths but created the system that made such possible. They must take the blame.

  29. m___ 说:

    大屠杀

    Anything one reads about the holocaust’s “prime” sources is subjective. Anyone balances at choice arguments, omits arguments, quantifies close to at random.

    Hitler probably due to his average IQ(not Einstein’s? but for racism, his oratory impact on the bulk of the public), and his ailing health, was an easy victim of manipulation by his environment. Hence his rearangements, shifts, restructuring of his key collaborators, his avid Holywood(Jew made and baked) movie watching on a daily basis in some periods, his “hands on” pageanism(visiting troops, being close to the front line), his choice of bed-partners, not showing the easiness of hoovering between his briefings to generals and party, and his oratory destined to the public. The Jews(the most coherent group spanning borders, the driving force behind Stalin, the upper class dominant German Jews) make many arguments for Hitler to see the Jew, as an ethny, globally distributed, his personal as well as the German Reich’s enemy in absolute. It is even today visible that Hitler’s was not a sophisticated intellectual, but a testosterone entrepreneur with a high degree of conscientiousness. More sophisticated close collaborators were tuned into this, or left the inner circle then. The intellectual qualities of neo-nazi fringe groups of today indicate likewise.

    The emotional, subjective argument of genocide on all sides, Hitler’s and the Jew’s(perpetrating the twenty-first century), is thus not quantified in a more objective manner.

    The physical evidence of the Holocaust could be very exacting, when the matter would be taken on by science. Bones, DNA of bones, theoretical calculations of feasibility, would make the whole issue of exposure minor as compared to reviving the wooled mamouth of Northern Europe. No party, as in neither side is interested. That makes the Holocaust a litterary endeavour of opportunism, and unworthy of our twenty first century scientific methods. Good for endlessly commenting.

    For certain, the ones having picked the bone and ran with it the farthest, the longest, are evidently the International Jews. By taking the “genocide of Jews by Hitler” out of any proportionate mention it must have had a cost-benefit to our Jewish in-group oriented group, and generationally, as no genocide intent before. The Holocaust should be a dry statistic, aligned with other genocides of what war and power struggles have caused regardless of parties involved. Even how Stalin, Rooseveld, Churchill, in that same WWII compared.

    Nice of unz.com to adhere to Jewish media convention to snif at the issue from more then a single side. Fact remains, no science is applied to the Holocaust, WWII, a systemic failure that perpetrates historical errors to the future of humankind.

  30. I do get Jews’ obsession with shoah, but I hardly get “denialists’”” stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I’ve read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw’s collection of essays:

  31. Heros 说:
    @Colin Wright

    “it’s distinctly improbable that one could murder six million people without the nation’s leader even noticing. ”

    Actually, the claim is 11 million of which 5 million were “gypsies, homosexuals, communists, etc”. One gigantic problem the holohoaxers have is that they were already forced to walk back the claims that there were gas chambers in what is now Germany, so all these 11 million had to have been gassed/exterminated in what is now Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    But the math simply does not work, so what we have is narrative collapse, yet certain people like Eric Zeuss or Colin Wright choose to cling to certain “facts” that were parts of a narrative that has been proven to be false in so many places. This holocaust narrative actually goes back to the Tsar’s “pogroms” when the jewish run US media already started pushing the 6 million dead in a holocaust. This narrative was repeated through the entire second world war:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-glOFJ3OU

    Ben Hecht sent the “we will never die” broadway pageant touring across the US in March 1943 to whip up sympathy for the same jews who had declared war on Germany in 1933. Jews were already claiming 2 million dead in 1942, but we know that was a lie. Theodore Kaufman wrote “Germany Must Perish” in 1940, before Auschwitz was even opened. This was used as the basis for the Morgentau plan which was leaked in 1944.

    So Germany and the Germans knew what the jews had planned for them even before the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Berlin and the mass murder of millions of German civilians in bombing raids on civilian areas. Then in 1945 came the Hellstorm in the east and Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows death camps in the west. Real death camps with real bodies and real concentration camps filled with Germans across Siberia.

    If we deconstruct the narrative further, what we have is the jews setting Germany up with the stab in the back of 1918, jews bankrupting Germany with the reparations they agreed to in Versaille, jews declaring war on Germany in 1933, jews broadcasting that they were going to commit genocide on Germans and Germany when the war was over, then jews actually committing this genocide, then jews conducting sham trials where they project their own guilt onto the Germans for the murders and atrocities they committed (Katyn), then they implement the Morganthau plan as promised and starve millions of Germans and strip out all her industry and enslave the men while they try to mongrelize the women left behind. That is the true history of how rotten the jews are, not the kosher narrative of they how much they are persecuted.

    I think the point here is that if the Germans 民政事务总署 conducted the holocaust, they would have been justified. However, the ultimate insult is that the people who conducted the real holocaust are still extracting reparations from Germany for the crimes they committed against the comparatively far more innocent Germany.

    It can come as no surprise then that they are willing to lock up old ladies for “holocaust denial”. Bravo, Eric Zeuss and Colin Wright, for standing up for the kosher narrative.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Anon
  32. Erebus 说:

    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail. If one was mid-career at (say) Harvard, wouldn’t one turn over every rock to prove it happened, guaranteeing rock star status in the History field? You’d be Faculty Dean in a heartbeat, get a seat on the Board, probably at more than one university, and travel the world with a retinue of sycophants giving lectures for sums only Bill Clinton dreams of.

    Given the claimed scale and close proximity in time, it should be a “Gimme”. We aren’t talking about the Peloponnesian Wars here. We’re talking about a process involving millions of humans and enormous resources taking place on a continental scale within living memory. Why hasn’t any sharp young History professor gone after the prize?

    Or have they, and and quietly buried their failures lest their career come to an untimely end?

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  33. igor bundy 说:

    Oh there is no doubt that the nazi’s were evil and they killed the many millions of red army POW’s or that they killed millions of civilians in occupied lands, you dont get 40 million dead doing nothing.

    What I want to know is what makes jews spesual? I mean Hitler had no qualms about killing eg partisans, communists, saboteurs, the mentally ill and physically deformed or anyone who was not pure and white and fit as a fidle..

    Anyone who comes out with examples of Hitler did not want others to know.. To me is full of it. Hitler praised the US for how they exterminated the native Americans. How the US gassed death row inmates without problems and such. But spesual jews, Hitler wanted it all done in secret.. Although confiscation and targeting of Jews and shooting them were all done openly and even spread to keep others jews in line and deathly afraid.. But Hitler did not want to scare away the jews.. spesual they are..

    And the less evidence of if it all is because Hitler wanted it all kept secret.. And done on such a scale that there does not exist anything else of such monstrous crimes in history. Even though Hitler was defeated and Germany captured.

    This reminds me of how those 4 gitmo inmates committed suicide in 2005 in a group session next to each other.. They shoved rags down their throats and taped their mouths and nose shut and then tied their hands and feet and stuck their heads in a noose after covering the cameras and jumped off the wash basin to hang and sticking mannequins in their beds so the guards would think they were sleeping.

    • 同意: FB
    • 回复: @Bukowski
  34. padre 说:

    All this talking about holocaust leads me to the opinion, that holocaust is possible onnla if Germans do it to Jews!

  35. Remember the 11 million? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.

    “我对他说,'西蒙,你是在说谎。'”鲍尔在周二的一次采访中回忆道。 “他说,'有时候您需要这样做,以获取您认为必不可少的东西的结果。'”

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    Even honest Jews will admit the 6 million number is a LIE. Then we have this, the concentration camp commander, Karl Otto Koch, who was arrested, tried and executed by the SS for being too brutal to inmates at Buchenwald and Majdanek.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Karl-Otto-Koch

    Now if Germany was truly running the so-called ‘death camps, would they be executing a commandant for being too brutal?

    And if you’re going to say the worn out phrase, Final Solution, don’t forget to add the word that precedes it, TERRITORIAL. Hitler was going to move the Jews to the new territories stolen from the USSR, not kill them en masse in forced labor camps.

    • 回复: @Jake
    , @FB
  36. One can not acknowledge the Jewish holocaust without acknowledging the Palestinian holocaust at the same time.

    • 回复: @MrB
    , @MrB
  37. “ Himmler publicly stated in a speech on 24 February 1943 that this was necessary in order to have “exterminated a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it.” ”

    I’d think it too obvious to point out, that public speeches aren’t policy. Something strange too, about the fact that he’d be broadcasting a supposedly top-secret project (for which, as is acknowledged, no explicit documentation exists, only alleged code-words and euphemisms).

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  38. sarz 说:

    It’s disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    Someone nominated by the people at codoh.com could be asked to respond.

    The psedonymous maker of Holocaust questioning documentaries, Denierbud, whose work is available at codoh, had long offered to debate any tenured academic historian on the topic. Maybe the offer still stands.

    • 回复: @Greg Bacon
    , @Alden
    , @Erebus
  39. ” Yes, Jews were massacred in large numbers in the East ”
    But by whom ?
    Read what the German troops found in Kiev when they came there:
    Alfred M. de Zayas, 'Die Wehrmacht-Untersuchungsstelle, Dokumentation allierter Kriegsverbrechen im Zweiten Weltkrieg', 1979, 2001, München

  40. @Bardon Kaldian

    伊恩·克肖(Ian Kershaw),“希特勒·弗洛德(Hitlers Freunde)在英格兰,伦敦德里·德·韦格勋爵(Lord Londonderry und der Weg in den Krieg)”,(与希特勒结为朋友。伦敦德里·罗德勋爵和英国的《通往战争之路》,2004年,伦敦),慕尼黑,2005年
    a nonsense book, as is clear from reading:
    伦敦德里大公国,英格兰,德国,德国,埃森,1938年(德国和德国,1938年)
    Unlikely that other books by Kershaw are better.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  41. My personal view lies somewhere in the space between these loci: 1. Adolf H is possibly a Bernard Ebbers type figure (Military disaster is a form of accounting scandal). 2. 没人 did it. 3. What was 完成 depends on the grinding specs on the ax of the observer.

  42. @Anon

    Goldhagen is an idiot.
    See an endnote about him in
    克里斯托弗·布朗宁(Christopher R. Browning),“普通人,预备役101营和波兰的最终解决方案”,1992年,2001年,伦敦

    • 回复: @Alden
  43. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Knowing a bit about all the nonsense published after WWII what German leaders are supposed to have said, why should this statement by true ?
    One must realise that, after WWII, anyone with negative statements about these leaders was the darling of the ‘prosecutors’, as was Speer.
    Even today it is hardly possible to state anything possible about Hitler, despite a book as
    Kai S. Schreyber(Hrsg。),“ Warum wir ADOLF HITLERwählten,Jungwählervon 1933/38 berichten',2001年,基尔
    The positive description of Hitler by his youngest secretary must be balanced by a long introduction asserting the opposite.
    Traudl Junge与MelissaMüller的“直到最后一刻”,伦敦,2004年
    Even the widow of Von Stauffenberg was fed up with historians who knew better than she what had happened in WWII:
    Konstanze von Schulthess, 'Nina Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg, Ein Porträt', 慕尼黑 2009

  44. @Heros

    Hecht later got other ideas
    本·赫希特(Ben Hecht),《 Perfidy》,纽约,1961年

  45. “Irving noted, in a footnote, that Eichmann had testified to having been informed by Heydrich that “The Führer has ordered physical extermination,” but Irving simply dismissed that by saying: “There is no primary or secondary documentary support for such a statement.”

    This is a somewhat misleading characterization of Irving’s “dismal” of Eichmann’s testimony since Zuesse neglected to add that Irving also stated that Eichmann was prone to exaggeration, certainly an observation that would be relevant to considerations of credibility.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  46. ” Despite the transparent frauds of the Holocaust-deniers inside and outside academia, there is no serious question that the Holocaust existed and that it constituted a crime of unimaginably vast scope. ”

    JG Burg,舒尔德与希克萨尔,欧罗巴Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern,慕尼黑,1962年
    Victor Klemperer,“我将见证,纳粹时期的日记,1942-1945”,纽约,1999
    保罗·拉西尼耶(Paul Rassinier),《战争论》,《死灵》(Die Juden und das Dritte Reich),莱昂尼·斯塔恩贝格(Leoni am Starnberger See),第7幅印刷,1981年。 (1963年)
    埃利·维塞尔(Elie Wiesel),《 La Nuit》,1958年,2007年
    欧根·科贡(Eugen Kogon),“ Der SS-Staat,德国国防军系统”,1974年,慕尼黑
    维尔纳·马瑟(Werner Maser),《慕尼黑,德国与德国的希特勒与斯大林的法尔雄》,慕尼黑,2004年
    亚瑟·布茨(Arthur R. Butz),“二十世纪的骗局,反对欧洲犹太人被假定灭绝的案件”,科斯塔·梅萨(Costa Mesa),1977年,1989年
    本·赫希特(Ben Hecht),《 Perfidy》,纽约,1961年
    Neufeld 和 Berenbaum,编辑“奥斯威辛的轰炸”,2000 年,纽约
    扬·T·格罗斯(Jan T. Gross),《邻居,1941年波兰耶德瓦讷犹太社区的破坏》,2003年,伦敦
    丹·雅各布森(Dan Jacobson),《 Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek》,阿姆斯特丹,1998年
    Faurisson’s 1980 article in Le Monde

    All these writers, just perfidous liars
    Of course, the murder on some two million German citizens by bombing also did not happen.
    索利·扎克曼(Solly Zuckermann),《从猿到军阀,自传,1904-46年》,伦敦,1988年
    And millions of Germans were not driven from their homes, how many died or were killed by the Red Army, negligible
    Cajus Bekker, 'Flucht übers Meer, Ostsee Deutsches Schicksal 1945', 1964, 1999, 奥格斯堡

    • 哈哈: Momus
    • 回复: @anonymous
  47. @jilles dykstra

    What this has to with the topic? I haven’t read this book, so I can’t say anything about it. But, this one, about Hitler, Germans and holocaust is a masterpiece, as anyone with some brain can see. It is available here: http://dl3.libgen.io/get.php?md5=08AB756A0EC462EB98D3DB29EEA588B9&key=M8LXN8SMM6DQK76N

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  48. HadEnough 说:

    This article is nothing more than a regurgitation of the same disproven claptrap.

    You want a real holocaust? Try the Ukrainian Holodomor, Jews deliberately starving a nation to death, estimates from seven to 16.5 million Christians murdered. Why wouldn’t the Germans defend themselves when the World Jewish Council declared war against them and announced that they would “starve the Germans into submission”?

    Or 60 million Russian Christians raped, tortured and murdered by Jews in the Gulag system they created and ran throughout Russia from 1917-1989.

    Or, by definition of the Genocide Convention, the bloodless genocide they are carrying out today in America and Europe by systematically destroying people’s race, culture, heritage and religion.

    In the last two weeks the Jews shoot 9,000 unarmed civilians in Palestine, then announce in this morning’s news that they are the Supreme Race! Last month the Chief Rabbi of Israel defined African Americans as “monkeys”.

    Jewish pitymongering is wasted on me as I think it is on most people on the planet at this point.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Josecanuc
  49. Jake 说:

    “While my book doesn’t mention Irving, it does deal extensively with (among others) a writer about the Holocaust who seems to hate Germans as much as Irving seems to hate Jews: Daniel Goldhagen. The problem with both writers is that they are tribal (one a “Jew” and the other an “Aryan” — i.e., pureblooded Christian, or, at least, not “Jew”

    What? Are you unaware that there is no such thing as a Christian race in the sense that we can speak of the Jewish race? Are you unaware that it is impossible to equate Aryan with Christian, unless you are a Jew or other person who hates both Christianity/Christians and white peoples of European ancestry with an equal fury? Are you unaware that the Nazi movement was anti-Christian at its core, at times as viciously as were the Marxist and anarchist movements so beloved of Jews in Germany and elsewhere?

    At best. you are ignorant. At worst, you have created a false dichotomy to advance your case.

    The Nazi movement was evil. And so was Hitler as its most important leader. But those who have and work to transmit the religion of pure Hitler-hating, from the Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white-peoples of Christendom-hating Marxists and anarchists of Hitler’s time down to today’s Christ-hating, Christendom-hating, white peoples of Christendom-hating ADL, SPLC, BLM, GLAAD, Open Society Foundations, SJW college professors and students, etc. are as evil as were Hitler and his minions.

    I have never read a David Irving book. From the articles I have read, both pro and con, I assume that Irving does more than a bit of quibbling over Hitler. But as the Hitler presented to the public is little more realistically human than a cartoon caricature of the embodiment of evil in crime lord, Irving’s focuses on the sentimental, tender-hearted parts of Hitler’s Germanic character traits are valid, because they were parts of the man. They do not exonerate him of his leadership of an evil movement, but they are valid. And it is that type validity that refuses to keep playing the game of making Hitler very essence of pure evil, pure evil only because Jews were feared and despised and killed by that evil movement, that cause people to smear and act to ruin, financially and otherwise, historians such as Irving.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  50. Jake 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    My Zionist Evangelical friend admitted to me a few years back that he used to believe there were 6 million who died in the Nazi concentration camps, and that virtually all of them were Jews. Then he read some things demonstrating clearly that close to 50% of the people who died in Nazi camps were non-Jewish. Then he came to believe that close to 12 million died in the camps, 6 million of them Jews. He has almost zero interest in the Nazi hatreds of non-Germanic white peoples, and he says that even if the Nazis sent to the camps as many Polish Catholic priests as historians agree, that it just barely matters, as added guilt.

    This friend believes as he does because he has kept the Judaizing core, the Judaizing foundation, of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism. Everything in his world, all knowledge that comes to him, is filtered through that basic WASP worldview, in its contemporary ‘conservative’ Evangelical form.

  51. dearieme 说:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “One problem was finding a place that would take you in, no?”

    In particular, one problem was finding a place to take you in that you were prepared to live in. For example there were more visas available for immigrating to Palestine than were taken up. Naturally, cultivated German Jews with specialised skills didn’t fancy living on the desert’s edge amongst Arabs who wanted them out.

    I imagine that many of the Jews who stayed in Germany had motives such as: (i) We can’t leave without Grandma and she refuse to budge, and (ii) We’ve seen bullying like this before in history; it will all blow over, and (iii) I am an assimilated, Christian German so they obviously can’t mean me.

    It’s striking that many Jews who left after Hitler’s assent to power returned to Germany when it was clear that pogroms hadn’t started, only to flee again after Kristallnacht.

    One part of the great tragedy was where many of them fled to: the Low Countries, France, Czechoslovakia, and so on. They hadn’t foreseen that he’d conquer all those countries and then exterminate the Jews who lived there.

    One problem with comments on WWII is that almost everything about it is seen entirely in hindsight.

    • 回复: @David
    , @peterAUS
    , @Curle
    , @Them Guys
  52. Momus 说:
    @Erebus

    One sometimes wonders why no serious, professional historian has ever touched the Holocaust third rail.

    嗯?

    It’s already been proved that the Nazis built the ideological and physical apparatus to imprison, enslave murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

    • 哈哈: SolontoCroesus
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Mulegino1
  53. First, even to this day, the expression “Final Solution” is a common expression in German. I remember moderating an argument between Brits and Germans (which devolved into dug-in warfare a la WW1 quite quickly), and when an agreement was finally hammered out, a German HR-type said, unironically, “So, we have a final solution.” I jokingly asked if Germans were even allowed to use that expression, and the evolution of it was explained to me: The context is, you have a first solution, then a second, and so on until you have a final solution.

    Second, the request for a signed euthenasia order is a very German reaction to a controversial order. Hitler signed, and thereby absolved his underlings of guilt, at least to their satisfaction before the end of the war, at which point the rules were changed by the victors. Something as big as the Final Solution would have certainly warranted a signature from above if it was indeed a controversial order from above being carried out by nervous subordinates. As Irving points out, anti-semitism was rife at all levels of the hierarchy, so it can’t be lightly dismissed that others more willing to advance the cause gladly set it in motion, thinking they would be heros in the eyes of the Führer. The absence of Hitler at Wansee and any signed order argues convincingly it may indeed have been the initiative of interested underlings, much the same way that the underlings of Henry II are reputed to have murdered Archbishop Beckett upon the King’s mere wish that someone make him simply go away.

    It is unlikely Hitler was oblivious to the holocaust, but once it was set in industrial-scale motion, there was little reason for him to interfere, as doing so would undermine much of the ideology upon which the party was built. There has been evidence over the years that high officials like Hitler and Himmler intervened on behalf of jews they personally knew or those known by or useful for friends, but both were control freaks who almost certainly knew what was being done in their names.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  54. Myname 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Watch David Cole’s Auschwitz document, I agree with noseytheDuke. It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews to the “Arbeit macht Frei” camps.

    • 回复: @Karl
  55. @sarz

    It’s disappointing to see that Ron Unz is apparently a believer in the systematic industrial murder of millions of Jews by the National Socialists using gas chambers.

    Mr. Unz is free to believe and speak freely about any topic he wishes, while there is still Free Speech in the USA.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  56. Thea 说:

    He order the extermination of many other groups as well why are the Jews special? more Russian civilians were killed during Barbarossa than Jews overall. 20 million died in the Holocaust but only 6 million count to some people.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  57. nickels 说:

    呸呸。
    The truth is that which supports the revolution, right?
    And this revolution is about toppling Jewish hegemony over the West, which is accomplished by putting the naive goy in a guilt headlock over a fictional even that was, in fact, a war of partisans against the Germans.
    意即:
    The Holocaust was miniscule compared to:
    -the jewish Bolshevik reign of death and terror
    -the jew Marx’s chinese protege Marx’s 60 mil murders.
    -the largest ethnic cleansing in history of 10 million Germans from their native lands by the jew’s allies after ww2.
    -the murder, starvation and rape of 5 million Germans by Allies.
    -the murder of 6 million babies in the US by abortion that is a movement spearheaded by jews.

    The holocaust is over. Forget it.

    • 同意: renfro
  58. Erebus 说:
    @The Alarmist

    … once it was set in industrial-scale motion…

    R

    The question, dufus, is not whether it was a sealed & stamped signature, or a wink from the Fuhrer that put the wheels in motion. We have evidence of neither. The question is whether the Holocaust’s “industrial-scale motion” was physically possible at all. It isn’t. Ergo, it’s a lie. Only people who have little/no idea how the real physical world works seriously think the Holocaust possible.

    很简单,真的。

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty
  59. Desert Fox 说:

    To see who put Hitler in power and who supported Hitlers wars , read Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Trading With the Enemy by Charles Hingham and The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben by Joseph Borkin.

    There are the real warmongers and the killers of humanity.

  60. Bukowski 说:

    Something is wrong with academia and the media when a proven fraud like Elie Wiesel is still held up as some kind of shining example to others – https://codoh.com/library/document/858/

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
  61. The evidence against an organized extermination of the Jews by the Nazis is overwhelming. If you wish to know the truth about “The Holocaust,” read the material at the website AAARGH: http://aaargh.vho.org/index.html. I am the translator of some of it.

    Cf. Serge Thion’s: A Brief History Of Revisionism (http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres8/STBriefHist.pdf) and Georges Theil’s: Our Mission: Dismantle the Planetary Slander In Order to Help Build an Honest World (http://aaargh.vho.org/fran/livres8/GTOurMission.pdf)

  62. anonymous[347]• 免责声明 说:
    @Thea

    Those Russian civilians — were they transported to “death camps” and killed in gas chambers?

    Was the ‘killing of those “more than 6 million” Russian civilians the outcome of a deliberate, industrialized , plan– documented, of course– to kill ‘every Russian civilian Nazis could get their hands on?

    Were these Russian civilians Jewish? Nolshevik? Partisans?

    Were they targeted for killing precisely because of their group identity, or because they were in a war zone?

    Answers to the queries argue AGAINST the stigmatized holocaust-of-Jews narrative.

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Thea
    , @Svigor
  63. Wally 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Show is the alleged remains of 6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others that are claimed to to exist to this day in alleged known locations.Many are even marked as such.
    Now see these:
    Sobibor“纪念碑”据称在250,000万犹太人的遗体上,无法显示所称250,000犹太人的实际遗体。

    据称奥斯威辛集中营有 1,100,000 具犹太人遗骸的“灰池”,无法显示实际遗骸。

    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains for 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains can be shown

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Alden
  64. Wally 说:
    @Bukowski

    see all below:
    假“holocau\$t”骗子Elie Wiesel 被指控性侵犯
    https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    “有些故事是真实的,从未发生过。”

    –埃利·威塞尔(Elie Wiesel)

    Elie Wiesel 在他的书“Night”中描述的是:
    “Early the next day, Jewish boys ran off to Weimar to steal clothing and potatoes. And to rape German girls [un tsu fargvaldikn daytshe shikses].”

    The fact that inmates at Auschwitz, upon the advancement of Soviet troops, were given the choice to stay and await the the Soviets or leave with the SS is damning to the fake narrative.
    Most by far chose to leave with the ‘evil’ Germans.

    Wiesel 在“Night”中的一些确切词是(第 78 页):
    “The choice was in our hands. For once we could decide our fate for ourselves. We could both stay in the hospital, where I could, thanks to my doctor, get him [the father] entered as a patient or nurse. Or else we could follow the others. ‘Well, what shall we do, father?’ He was silent. ‘Let’s be evacuated with the others,’ I told him.”

    Elie’s tale in this regard is corroborated by other “survivor” accounts including that of Primo Levi. In Levi’s book “Survival in Auschwitz,” we have his words for January 17th, 1945:

    “这不是推理的问题:如果我没有感到如此软弱,我可能也会遵循羊群的本能:恐惧具有极强的传染性,其立即反应是设法逃脱。”

  65. Alden 说:
    @utu

    Thanks for the information. It’s always good to know an author’s biases and prejudices.

  66. Mulegino1 说:

    Of course you will never forget- how could you? This “Mother of all big lies” is the most lucrative extortion racket in history and it still goes on, and it will soon be claimed that the trauma suffered by the survivors has been passed epigenetically to their descendants, so that the shekels can continue to flow forever.

    This anti-European and anti-Christian blood libel has served as the justification of the brutal expropriation of Palestine, the Manichean narrative of the “Good War” against the “Evil Nazis”, NATO hegemony over the EU and the guilt shaming of virtually all Christians in Europe or of European descent.

    Once the alleged event is defined in factual terms, it is falsifiable. The core of the false narrative is this:

    During the period of 1939-1945, National Socialist Germany- acting upon orders from Hitler (which were never given ) murdered some 6 million Jews, most of them with poison gas at 6 distinct locations in General Governmant Poland, Upper Silesia and Wartheland: Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek-Lublin, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II.

    Due to the complete lack of physical or authentic evidence for any “industrial scale mass murder” at any of the camps, the entire narrative depends upon the testimony of eyewitnesses, most of whose claims are impossible fantasies, and many of which were coerced by torture, such as those of Rudolf Hoess, the former commandant of Auschwitz-Birkenau who was tortured for nearly a week by a team of British commandos under the command of one Bernard Clarke. The entire Nuremberg fable of mass gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau rests almost entirely upon absurd claims of Hoess, most of which are not even given credence to anymore , since there is no corroborating physical evidence for them and they are logistically and technically impossible. (2000 people inside an unheated morgue cannot be killed by dropping pellets of a commercially available pesticide down a makeshift hole onto an unheated concrete floor; a body cannot be cremated in 10 or 15 minutes, men cannot walk around a chamber filled with poison gas eating and smoking, etc.)

    The so called “gas chamber” at Auschwitz main camp is a postwar construction or mock up of a morgue (mere yards away from the hospital) which was later converted to a bomb shelter.

    The so called “gas chambers” at Birkenau were designed and used as underground morgues. No mass gassings ever occurred in these areas, as forensic analysis of the brickwork shows. While the delousing chambers, which employed Zyklon-B and state of the art technology to disinfect clothing and bedding, still to this day show abundant traces of blue staining -Prussian Blue- which is caused by the active ingredient in Zyklon-B- hydrocyanic acid bonding with the iron in the masonry- up to 13,000 ppm in some cases- the remaining brickwork of the morgues or alleged “homicidal gas chambers” show no traces of iron cyanide compounds. None.

    Besides, the claims of mass gassings of 2000 people at a time are a logistical impossibility from any standpoint. It would take days and weeks to clear the chamber, remove the bodies and cremate them, even provided that the 52 cremation retorts were all in use and no time was given for cooling and maintenance, which means they would have been destroyed within a very short period and thus need replacing- something which never occurred, according to the camp records.

    There is virtually no physical evidence that anything like hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered by the Germans, let alone over 4,000,000.

    • 回复: @j2
  67. David 说:
    @dearieme

    In 1927, von Mises wrote that the Nazis had become a paramilitary party because they were being persecuted by communists. He speculated that if they achieved power, they would likely revert to German liberalism. He left, however, when the Nazis attained power.

  68. anonymous[739]• 免责声明 说:

    The best way to understand the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust is to see it as yet another fundamentalist religious myth the same as other highly ethno centrist Jewish religious Myths in the Jewish Old Testament.

    Take the myth of the parting of the Red Sea in the Book of Exodus. Watch the Cecil B Demille movie “The Ten Commandments”

    Now is the Jewish religious myth about the Jewish tribal God Jehovah parting the Red Sea to allow the Jew’s God’s Chosen People to escape the Evil Egyptians (definitely not God’s Chosen People) is that fair and honest history backed up by science?

    不,当然不。

    It’s scientifically impossible, the Jews would have got stuck in the mud, plus nobody else wrote about this incredible once in a lifetime event.

    But, this Jewish ethnocentric religious myth of the Parting of the Red Sea got forced on our people by the forced fundamentalist religion of Judeo Christianity. All the Jewish ethno centric myths in the Old Testament are true, because….

    BECAUSE IT’S THE TRUTH, BIBLICAL TRUTH

    IT’S THE BIBLE

    Anybody that questions any part of the Old Testament Jewish myths is s religious heretic, an “Unbeliever” a denier of God’s BIBLE and that religious heretic gets persecuted, things like getting burnt at the stake, driven out of respectable society.

    It’s the same with the 6 Million Gassed Jews religious myth – so much of the official Holocaust story is impossible from a scientific standpoint, even most of the official Holocaust industry now admits there were no gassing of Jews in Camps in Germany, but the 6 Million Gassed jews myth just gets spun that all the gassing killings happened in C Camps in Poland.

    Last year the Prime Minister of Israel tried to spin the 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust myth as the fault of the Palestinian Arabs not Hitler and the Germans – he argued that Hitler did just want to expel European Jews to Madagascar or Palestine/Israel but the Evil Palestinian Arab Mufti of Jerusalem supposed convinced Hitler that the Jews had to all be killed, exterminate.

    So we’re still stuck with this fundamentalist Jewish – Judeo Christian religious Myth of the 6 Million Gassed Jews and all Germans, all White Americans, pretty much all White Gentile people still alive on planet earth are somehow all guilty of this worst ever sin against the Jewish people – God’s Chosen People.

    Yes, the religious myth of the 6 Million Gassed Jews has become a foundation myth in Western Europe, Canada and the USA – it’s become a form of blasphemy to deny any small portion of this myth.

    不相信我?

    Just try to publicly question any part of the official myth – you will be labeled a religious heretic, an “unbeliever” a…

    HOLOCAUST DENIER

    And this blasphemy is an official state crime in countries like Germany and Canada.

    We even have an official religious temple on our Washington Mall the “Holocaust Museum”!

    罗。

    I go with defending our rights for freedom of thought and to study real history such as that written by the honest historian David Irving.

    I as a midwestern White British American Anglo, Gentile born in 1961 am not in any way guilty for this supposed worst crime in history.

    I don’t feel guilty about anything that happened, or didn’t happen or is exaggerated that happened in Poland or anywhere else in Central and Eastern Europe.

    The German people were, are a good people, so are Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Latvians, Finns.

    If our people are so bad why do all the other people in the world including Jews insist on trying to gate crash and move in to live near us?

    Is it my fault the Jewish people can’t seem to get along with anyone else – not the Palestinians, not the Syrians, Not the Lebanese, not the Iranians, not the Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, French Dutch or the Germans?

    One suggestion is to just take off this huge chip on the shoulder and admit that….

    The Jews are not Gods Chosen People – they are a people like other people, some good, some not so good.

    Jews are not the only people to suffer in World War II or before and afterwords under Communism.

    So to sum up my comment.

    I do not believe in the 6 Million Gassed Jews religious myth – it is not fair and impartial history, the German people and all remaining White European Gentiles are not condemned for yes GENOCIDE and replacement by mass immigration migration invasions because of the original sin of the 6 Million gassed Jews.

  69. Curmudgeon 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Like you, I never questioned the official narrative. In fairness, any time the topic was raised, my parents, if near enough to hear, shut down the conversation quickly. In retrospect, it was obvious that they thought it was bullshit.
    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto. Despite an obviously hostile judge, Zundel’s lawyer, the late Doug Christie, made fools out of author Raul Hilberg, pathological liar Rudolf Vrba (whose hearsay evidence was the basis for Nuremberg), and “survivor” Arnold Friedman, prisoner number B14515 and his coloured smoke from crematoria story. Zundel’s own witnesses, which included “death camp survivors” Irving in the 2nd trial, and experts in their fields, demonstrated the physical impossibility of the gas chamber and crematoria narratives.
    The trial transcripts are available online. Although a tedious read it becomes comedy when the prosecution witnesses, in answers to Christie’s questions, utterly destroy their own credibility.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Skeptikal
  70. Alden 说:
    @sarz

    From the articles he’s posted, it seems to me that Ron Unz is very open minded about the subject. He presents articles from every side of the endless WW2 debates

  71. Alden 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    I’d say Goldhagen is a liar more than an idiot.

  72. Wally 说:
    @Colin Wright

    As for Zuess’s laughably cited ‘Eichmann Interrogated’, READ ALL OF THIS:

    – even “holocaust historian” Browning said:
    “Clearly, anyone who wants to dismiss Eichmann’s testimonies on the grounds of their demonstrated unreliability and shameless self-serving lies can easily do so, and many of my colleagues have done precisely this.”

    从: 艾希曼审问, transcripts from the Archives of the Israeli Police, edited by Jochen von Lang in collaboration with Claus Sibyll. Translated from the German by Ralph Manheim. Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, New York, 1983, 293pp:

    艾希曼声称在 1941 年秋天亲眼目睹了奥斯威辛集中营的大规模屠杀,营地指挥官鲁道夫·霍斯告诉他,那些巨大的工厂式建筑,其烟囱冒着烟,“正在发挥最大作用” :一万!”
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    Eichmann talks of Treblinka – but then he’s not sure if it’s Treblinka – where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    “blood was gushing out … like a geyser”
    .
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.

    On Treblinka of 1941, Eichmann claimed gassings were carried out with the insecticide Zyklon-B. Treblinka, however, is supposed not to have been functioning as an extermination center until the summer of 1942, nor was Zyklon-B ever claimed to have been employed there.

    – Eichmann even offers substantiation for the six-million claim-he says he’s worked out the numbers from reading ***犹太历书***, he persistently rejects the accusation that he was the organizer of the “Final Solution” or the “flywheel of the extermination machine.”

    – “大屠杀”行业自己的马克罗斯曼说: 鲁道夫·霍斯 (Rudolf Hoess) 和艾希曼 (Eichmann) 的证词都缺乏可信度。

    – much more on 艾希曼审问:
    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/6/2/OKeefe237-240.html

    I dare anyone to bring up Eichmann’s alleged ‘diary’.
    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Reinhard Horn
  73. anonymous[739]• 免责声明 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    吉尔斯·迪克斯特拉

    I have an excellent color PDF file of questions and answers about the alleged Jewish Holocaust – the hard copy is in the form of a glossy color magazine.

    If you are interested e-mail me at:

    [电子邮件保护]

    保重

    JR

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  74. Militiades 说:

    A once interesting subject has been beaten into the ground by endless discussion. Likely because it serves to distract from Jewish supremacism in Israel.

  75. I cannot believe that I am reading this ‘Hitler’ shit in anno domini 2018.

    Professor Emeritus at the US Naval Post-Graduate School, RHS Stolfi, published the definitive book, the ultimate book, the final solution Hitler book in 2011. I suggest you all peruse it.

    • 同意: SolontoCroesus
    • 回复: @daniel le mouche
  76. Alden 说:
    @Wally

    That gray stuff looks like the bottom level rocks of a road waiting to be covered with smaller gravel then concrete and asphalt.

    • 回复: @Wally
  77. bj 说:

    David Irving discusses the veracity of Adolf Eichmann’s testimony and memoirs in the following linked video. Eric Zuesse’s derivative history fails to question the motive of Eichmann’s self serving testimony.

    IMO-“David Irving Jailed and Beaten For Telling Truth of 2nd World War” is one of Irving’s best efforts to offer a balanced interpretation of the complex historical record, with its contradictory facts and testimonies. Eric Zuesse repeats the official history of the victor’s of WWII, enabling the continuing blood libel against the German people. Zuesse’s history is entirely derivative, edited, and suspect.

    One of the best evidences of truth is orthodoxies effort to discredit and destroy David Irving and his original work. Eric Zuesse is either a useful idiot or simply a dishonest collaborator with the campaign to bury and muddy the truth!

  78. Wally 说:
    @Colin Wright

    David Irving found this:

    纽伦堡的电影证据是如何伪造的
    来自纽伦堡美国首席检察官罗伯特·H·杰克逊大法官的档案。

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Nbg/DeanIMT161145.html

    http://www.codoh.com

  79. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @Thomm

    Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren’t that stupid.

    • 回复: @daniel le mouche
  80. @jilles dykstra

    ‘…But what if it did not happen ?’

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.

  81. Reg Cæsar 说:

    Let’s get to the real question: Hitler was a pervert. But what kind?

    • 巨魔: L.K
  82. Wally 说:
    @Alden

    Perhaps, but it’s not.
    It’s a permanent part of the site. Pure theater.
    Such is the fraud.

    推荐的:
    挖掘工作受到物理阻碍的地点
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9171

    “这是不言而喻的,如果任何教派,邪教或宗教获得了这样做的政治权力,几乎所有教派,宗教或宗教都会将其信条立法成为法律。”
    –罗伯特·海因莱因

  83. Anon[156]• 免责声明 说: • 您的网站

    It is important to realize that the Holocaust is a complete hoax. That is
    #1 – there was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews
    #2 – the gas chambers are pure phantasmagoria and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them
    #3 – the number of Jews that died in camps for being Jews is 0, and it is well known (google Konrad Morgen) that the Nazis aggressively investigated and prosecuted crime in the camps.

    So begins the video that points out the endless lies that make up the hoax, the ‘big lie’ being the photos of tyhpus victims photographed after the war at Belsen and shown as victims of Nazi gas chambers for the last 70 years. The vid documents the true provenance of the photos.
    https://vimeo.com/267701409

    参见 holohoax101.org

  84. escobar 说:

    How about you all reading this article by historian Timothy Snyder:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2009/07/16/holocaust-the-ignored-reality/

    And the figure of Jewish civilians killed, among millions of others, historians like Snyder agree, is about 5.1 to 5.2 million, not the 6 million one given right after WWII and before German and other historians did their research.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Anonymous
  85. bjondo 说:
    @Anonymous

    Did the other women push her towards the GI’s hoping to save themselves?

    Did the other women rush out to get there fair share of goodies?

    Have you approached the Pentagon or Spielberg to back a script?

  86. j2 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Yes, you are right, but Jews, who were taken to the Soviet Union mostly did not appear later. It is impossible to know exactly (or even roughly) what happened to them, there was the war, there were camps on both sides. But we do know that most deaths of Jews did not happen in the Western Europe or West Poland (that is, the area about west of the present Polish east boundary), but in the East (the Soviet Union of 1941 after taking Baltic states and East Poland). The Jewish dead in the West and Western Poland were about 1 million according to the accepted figures given for ghettos and work camps, war and all other things (for German camps alone 0.76M in my calculation), the rest is in the East. We do not know what exactly happened in the East. Germans shot some number (maybe 500,000?), many died in German camps, many evacuated died in Soviet camps, there was the war. In some way an additional 2 million+ (probably) died in the East bringing the death toll to 3-3.5 million (unless you have better information). It is known more or less how many survived, but it was a major war, and there is no hard evidence for a planned genocide.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  87. Erebus 说:
    @sarz

    It would be good if Ron could get someone to present an authoritative account giving the evidence in support of such belief.

    I doubt he’ll find someone more authoritative than Raul Hilberg (欧洲犹太人的破坏), who took a shot at it at Zundel’s 1st trial in Toronto. After that, I don’t think anyone will try it again. He was destroyed under cross-examination, and declined to participate in Zundel’s 2nd trial.

    It should be noted that by the time of the trial, after >3 decades of research into the Holocaust, Hilberg had already concluded that the there was no evidence and that the Nazis must have pulled it off using ESP. In the Forward to the final, “definitive” edition of his 3 Vol. magnum opus he states that…

    In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization [DEJ, p. 55].

    It must have been so, as no authoritative person has gainsaid his explanation since, and I’d wager no one ever will. The bottom line is that the revisionists are wasting their time. They have nothing to refute as no evidence has ever been presented.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @jilles dykstra
  88. MrB 说:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    They know that even starting a genuine endeavour for the proof and truth would cause instant failure because that particular third rail is very dangerous with the current being controlled by you know who.

    Any investigation into holocaust ‘fact’ suggests to those who control things that the investigator is doubting the hitherto established truth.

    No holocaust excavations and truth seeking can ever be allowed to happen because the truth will out and that would kill the whole jewish thing stone dead.

  89. MrB 说:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    Really? I don’t understand that logic.

    The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted. The other one well er…

    • 回复: @Karl
  90. The bigger question is what do you do with an outgroup that is hostile, has a double set of morals, uses political and financial power to destroy and replace the culture and institutions of the majority, while supporting their physical replacement and pitting every new and imported victim group against the majority. That’s pretty much Jewish group politics in a nutshell, when they aren’t being traitors for Israel. Should there be no reaction or backlash?

    I don’t believe the official holocaust story. But, if half of what Jews are accused of doing during the Weimar era and during the holodomor is true, then it only makes sense that all steps were taken to destroy Jewish power, and the Jewish community which likely supported and benefited from Jewish power. War is ugly, and it doesn’t always involve soldiers or take place on a battlefield.

    I personally don’t care one bit about what may or may not have happened to European Jews 80 years ago. I care about Jewish power in the U.S. today, and how it is hostile and destructive towards the majority. The question is the same now as 80 years ago.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Momus
  91. bjondo 说:
    @Colin Wright


    you could question yourself:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432

    according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000.

  92. @Colin Wright

    匿名,“六百万的神话”,洛杉矶,1973 年,1969 年

  93. bjondo 说:
    @utu

    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew? Think he is.

    • 回复: @utu
  94. @anonymous

    谢谢。
    But for a discussion elsewhere I once made a list of my books on the jewish persections, 39.
    The problem with the holocaust is the same as with the Armenian genocide, both have become such a part of identities that rational arguments have no effect.
    On top of that, discusision of the jewish persecutions, denied by nobody, as Armenian casualties are not denied by anybody, distracts from the, in my opinion, prime issue: why was there a WW II with at least 60 million deaths, among these 10 million Germans, and how does WWII allied propagada affect present day policies to this day ?
    Did Merkel welcome mass immigration to change the German people ?

  95. Wally 说:
    @Colin Wright

    说过:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    – So is that why you cannot refute the arguments made against the impossible absurdities? Why do you dodge?

    What’s the source of those numbers? The usual Zionist liars?

    If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask Revisionists such dumb questions like “so then, what happened to them?” Jews went where Jews are. But Jews tell us that murdered Jews WENT to huge mass graves and that to this day they know the locations of these alleged mass graves. So why don’t they excavate the alleged enormous ‘mass graves’, show the world the millions of Jew corpses, and prove their point?

    当声称“德国人试图杀死他们能接触到的每一个犹太人”时,有无数的“幸存者”这一事实就吹走了不可能的“6万犹太人、5万其他犹太人和毒气室”。

    Tell us how the ridiculously alleged ‘gas chambers’ were supposed to have worked.

    No doubt the past worldwide belief in witchcraft also proved the existence of Australia.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @j2
  96. MrB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Really, you believe figures of jews having been counted pre war as correct and in 1945 counting jews again in a war ravaged continent split in two by the Russian block and when being jewish was best kept as a secret?

  97. Wally 说:
    @Erebus

    Indeed, no proof has been produced.
    It’s mostly about who controls the microphone: the media and corrupted ‘academia’. So who is that?

    we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    –所谓的“大屠杀历史学家”,劳尔·希尔伯格(Raul Hilberg)

    以下是关于不可能发生的“大屠杀”故事情节的言论自由是非法的,违法者因思想犯罪而入狱。
    很明显,故事情节经不起科学,逻辑和理性的审查。

    http://www.codoh.com

  98. Wally 说:
    @j2

    战争期间犹太人撤离到苏联
    https://archive.is/jA9iI
    和:
    战争期间有更多犹太人撤离到苏联
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees

    1944年XNUMX月至XNUMX年XNUMX月将匈牙利犹太人驱逐出境
    卡罗·马托尼奥
    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/?lang=en
    他们中的大多数都被转移到奥斯威辛集中营,从来没有被处决过

    奥斯威辛/比克瑙化学

    http://www.codoh.com

  99. annamaria 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    “The possibility that the majority of the deaths was causes by the camp management of inmates of course cannot be true.
    Yet even Elie Wiesel describes it.
    He never saw a gas chamber, just assumed that they existed.
    If now Israel succeeds in causing a world war, the last, nobody will survive, in the effort to get regime change in Teheran, who will see this last world war as a jewish war ?”
    — The zionist purists hate when the documented facts of zionists collaboration with Nazis (whether in the past or currently in Ukraine) are coming to light. Nothing undermines the holocaust biz more than the dead silence of 52 main American Jewish organizations with regard to the current Nazi revival in Ukraine and the refusal of the same 52 main American Jewish organizations to condemn the US support (political and military) to the Banderites.
    When the oh-so-righteous Zeuss writes, “for Hitler, the Holocaust — the “final solution” — was not a military device, it was a military goal; in fact, it was the central military goal, which took precedence over even the expansion of Lebensraum,” he reminds of Israel’s fervent desire for “final solution” on the Israel-occupied territories. The illegal Israeli settlements are the Israeli version of “expansion of Lebensraum.” The zionists’ military goal of destroying Iran (on the US dime and limb) is another aspect of “expansion of Lebensraum.”
    The zionists involvement in designing and pushing for the ongoing slaughter in the Middle East has been well documented: http://historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=neoconservative+Israel&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on&search=Go
    It is hard to react to the “Hitler” word after the major criminals like Clinton and Blair have been using the word liberally to promote their anti-human policies.

  100. Wally 说:
    @escobar

    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  101. @Colin Wright

    “Ironically, Germany’s Jews would up with one of the higher rates of national survival among the various Jewish populations of Europe because of this.”

    一定是 所谓的 survival rates. The different death counts are certainly grossly exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

  102. Wally 说:
    @Colin Wright

    所谓的犹太人数目完全是胡说八道。 还有很多很多,然后他们继续下去。 这是证据:

    大多数犹太人不是“宗教”人士,因此在有关宗教的人口普查问题中,他们不会说自己是犹太人。 他们仍然认为自己是犹太人。 他们想让您以为自己是很少和无助的受害者,而事实上他们通过自己的行动对自己产生了极大的不满。

    根据犹太法律,犹太人应避免被计数。

    “正如先知所说,实际上不能直接数犹太人(塔木德,约马22b):”“以色列子民的数目应像海中的沙,不得量数也不要数。”
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/896203/jewish/Laws-of-Counting-Jews.htm

    和:
    “为什么禁止计数犹太人?”
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18472

    “This opening verse of our Biblical portion teaches that it is forbidden to take a number count of the Israelites, a census activity which Jewish organizations are constantly involved in doing. This prohibition is reinforced by the prophet Hosea (chapter 2), when he declares: “The number of the children of Israel shall be as the sands of the sea, which cannot be numbered and cannot be counted…” And historically even King David learned the bitter lesson of the power of this command, when- against the will of his Chief Commander Joab – he ordered a census, and the Israelites suffered a plague (II Samuel, 24). ”

    和:

    “我们不是奇迹般地达成了《巴弗尔宣言》,而是 通过持续的宣传不断展现我们人民的生命力量。 我们告诉有关当局:无论您是否愿意,我们都会在巴勒斯坦建立自己的机构。 您可以加快我们的到来,也可以同样延迟。 但是,最好是您向我们提供帮助,以避免我们的建设性力量转变为将推翻世界的破坏性力量。”
    –世界犹太复国主义领袖[以色列第一任总统]查姆·魏兹曼(Chaim Weizmann),1年1919月在耶路撒冷发表讲话。

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Josecanuc
  103. j2 说:
    @Wally

    科林赖特写道:
    “It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go? There are lots of interesting arguments and discussions to have about World War Two, Nazism, Hitler, etc, etc. However, whether or not the Holocaust in fact happened is not one of them. You might as well question the existence of Australia.”

    Ok, I looked at thisa long time ago. First you have to subtract the German and Austrian Jews who escaped Germany and Austria. It does not matter if they escaped to South America, as is usually stated, or if they went to France, Netherlands and Belgium, because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed. You have Jews, who could have died in Western Poland 1.82+1.5 million +0.06. This is, there were c. 3.25M Jews in Poland, 1.8m in the West and the rest in the East, but in 1941 some escaped to the East. This 0.06M is the new transports from East to West in Poland. Then you calculate how many were in the Western Poland, subtract those that you know and end up to the upper bound 400,000 Jews could have died in Auschwitz, but this is only an upper bound. The upper bound ignores 100,000 Polish Jews, who came after 1946 to DP camps, maybe 200,000 who died in death marches, and 3.25M Jews in Poland in 1939 is only an estimate, it could be 3M, or even less. Many moved to France. They had a real problem of Polish Jews.

    You say 9,5M Jews in 1939. Subtract the emigrated German and Austrian Jews, it goes to 8.9M. You say 3,8M in 1945. Add the Jews who came to the DP camps after 1946, you will see that the number of missing Jews is 4.5M. Then question the figure the Soviet Union gave for 1939 and check the US Jewish population growth from 1900 to 1950. You see that 1 million additional Jews moved to the USA before 1939 that are not in the immigration figures. So, the figure from the SU for 1939 was 1M too high (it was announced as 2.8M for the SU in 1941 before taking Eastern Poland, must have been 1.8M).

    Hope this helps, I did calculate these things for a long time and carefully. I have all my calculations on my web site, if you care to see.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  104. bj 说:
    @Anonymous

    Eye witness testimony is often rewriting one’s personal narrative to conform to the orthodoxy of the victors or the opportunists. Millions of years of evolution cast women in the conforming role, easily changing sides to survive. It is in the interest of Life’s continuing experiment on planet earth!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw

  105. Wally 说:
    @j2

    你他妈在说什么?

    Where are your sources?

    What “death marches”?

    LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @j2
  106. renfro 说:

    ”regarding Mr. Irving, lots of (as Kennett has put it), “the things he had left out,” and that I think invalidate Irving’s works, because the motivation behind those omissions is clear and is not considered acceptable by most historians. ”
    ”David S. Wyman’s 1984 The Abandonment of the Jews documents (pp. 100, 365, 410) the repeated refusal of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to meet with Jewish leaders to deal with the problem, and also establishes the President’s own personal knowledge of the Nazis’ anti-Semitic exterminations.

    Lets talk about what the Jew leave out or better put what they lie about :

    Saving the Jews: Rossevelt and the Holocaust
    http://www.savingthejews.com/html/carterlibraryspeech.htm
    Carter Center Library Speech
    罗伯特·罗森 – 17 年 2006 月 XNUMX 日

    ”This book was inspired by a visit to the Boston Holocaust Memorial near Quincy Market. My daughter, Ali, then a student at Phillips Academy, and I visited that Holocaust Memorial, and we read these words: “By late 1942, the United States and its Allies were aware of the death camps, but did nothing to destroy them.”

    我告诉阿里,这个说法不可能是真的。 直到 7 年 1941 月 1942 日日本轰炸珍珠港时,美国才在第二次世界大战中成为好战国。 XNUMX 年我们怎么能拯救欧洲的犹太人?

    # “The Holocaust Museum takes one of Kubowitzki’s numerous letters to John McCloy, assistant Secretary of War and enlarged it to make it appear that he was requesting the bombing of Auschwitz. Not True. This letter, the centerpiece of the Museum’s display on the bombing of Auschwitz, merely passed on a message from the Czechoslovakian government in exile and McCloy was well aware that Kubowitzki and the World Jewish Congress adamantly opposed the bombing of Auschwitz. (View First Letter View Second Letter) (I have written the Holocaust Museum about this blatant error, but have yet to hear back from their Chief Historian.)”

    #” Contrary to popular belief, and in the face of strict immigration quotas, both the leadership of the American Jewish community and the Roosevelt Administration were actively involved in trying to save as many Jews as they reasonably could prior to the outbreak of World War II in September 1939 and the fall of France in June, 1940. 25% of all German Jews had fled from Germany between 1933 and 1937. In September 1939 the German Jewish population was 185,000 meaning 340,000 German Jews (65%) had fled prior to World War II. Of the 185,000 Jews in Austria in 1938, 126,000 had emigrated by 1940. (441) Between 1933 and 1942, 161,000 Jews came to the U.S. Between 1938-1940 half of all immigrants to the U.S. were Jews. [ I repeat, half of all immigrants…] The United States accepted about twice as many refugees as the rest of the world combined, 200,000 of 300,000.

    Also included in this are the facts on the St. Louis.

    #”The critics say that Roosevelt refused to let Jewish refugees come to America. The voyage of the S.S. St. Louis, the “Voyage of the Damned,” is the chief incident trumpeted against him. Let the facts speak for themselves. The St. Louis sailed from Hamburg in May of 1939 before either World War II or The Final Solution had begun. It arrived in Cuba. The Jewish passengers had purchased visas which were illegal under Cuban law and the Cuban president would not honor them. The State Department and the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee-known as the “Joint”- worked day and night to convince the Cubans to take in the passengers. The Joint sent a lawyer to Havana with a suitcase full of money to bribe the Cuban government. Henry Morganthau Jr., Roosevelt’s Jewish Secretary of the Treasury, the person in charge of the Coast Guard, was personally involved. Sadly, all of their efforts failed. 29 of the 936 passengers got off in Cuba. Even though the Roosevelt Administration urged the Cuban government to allow the remaining 907 passengers to land, the S.S. St. Louis began its return to Europe. With the active intervention of the State Department and the “Joint”, the St. Louis went to England (not Germany), where 288 of the 907 passengers disembarked and survived the Holocaust. The remaining 619 disembarked at Antwerp and went to France, Belgium, and Holland. The leading authorities on the St. Louis estimate that 392 of the 619 who disembarked at Antwerp survived the war. Thus more than 2/3 of the passengers on the St. Louis survived the Holocaust.

    The US made a huge mistake in saving the Jews. Gratitude and honesty are not in the Jews DNA.
    They are and always will be the scorpion on the frog’s back.

  107. @Stephen Paul Foster

    在正文中出现该引文的地方,会在其后附加一个脚注,人们可以看到最新版本第 895 页的脚注,它所说的驳回引文的所有内容就是我在本文中引用的内容。

    However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is “in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: ‘By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service …’,” which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his “extermination” of Jews, which people he held to be a “pest,” and which “infection” in his other writings he called a “bacterium,” just as did Himmler. So, all these reader-comments evade that admission by Hitler. Furthermore, all till now have been evading: “The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: ‘the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.”” I frankly don’t understand how anyone, after seeing those two statements from Hitler himself, at and near his end, can leave any reasonable doubt as to whether David Irving is a liar. My book explains why Hitler sought the extermination of Jews: he really did believe that intermarriage of them with non-Jews caused the spreading of a blood-infection. Hitler attributed every bad trait that he held to be universal among all Jews, to being the result of that “infection.” He first got his idea for the extermination plan, in September 1919, which was when he entered politics in order to become enabled to effectuate his intention.

  108. denjae 说:
    @Thomm

    My long-time girlfriend.

    Born 1930 – USA (Yeah, we’re old people.)

    To German-Jewish-American parents, who immigrated post-WW1
    and became employed by one of the Rockefeller’s.

    Traveled with parents to Germany, mid-late-1930’s, to visit relatives.

    Contracted pertussis (“whooping cough” “100-day cough.”) Re-entry to USA was refused. Remained behind with relatives to recover, return to USA.

    War ensued.

    Was hidden from Nazis by Jewish and non-Jewish families alike.

    Then came close to being fire-bombed to death by USA . . . Dresden.

    Found and re-united, post-war, 1945 with parents in USA.

    Miracle indeed.

  109. hyperbola 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    One has only to remember what sect carried out the biggest genocide in Europe of the 2oth century (killing at least four-times more people than adolf) to wonder why we are inundated continuously with propaganda about a smaller incident.

    斯大林的犹太人
    我们一定不要忘记,现代最伟大的凶手都是犹太人
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    这是一个特别荒凉的历史日期:大约90年前,即19年20月1917日至XNUMX日之间,在布尔什维克革命和内战之中,列宁签署了一项法令,要求建立全俄反击特别委员会。 -革命与破坏活动,也称为Cheka。

    在短时间内,Cheka成为最大和最残酷的国家安全组织。 它的组织结构每隔几年就更改一次,其名称也是如此:从Cheka到GPU,从后来到NKVD,再到到KGB。

    我们无法确定地知道切卡因各种表现造成的死亡人数,但死亡人数肯定至少为20千万,其中包括强迫集体化,饥饿,大清洗,驱逐,驱逐,处决和大规模杀伤的受害者在古拉格斯。

    消除了整个人口阶层:独立的农民,少数民族,资产阶级成员,高级管理人员,知识分子,艺术家,工人运动积极分子,被完全随机定义的“反对派成员”,以及共产党本身的无数成员……。

    ….. And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system…. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. …..

    • 回复: @Alberto Campos
  110. @Jake

    This is how Hitler defined “Jew”; and here is how he started in 1933 to carry out his plan, based upon CHURCH membership archives:

    Eberhard Bethge, who had been a liberal Protestant cleric during the Third Reich, was interviewed in the last chapter of Augustin Hedberg’s 1992 FAITH UNDER FIRE and was asked what those years had been like. Bethge commented, “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?” Bethge replied, tellingly: “For instance, everybody in an office, in a village, in a city, in a province, in Berlin, had to prove that he had [only] Aryan ancestors. How could he do that? He could do it only if he wrote to church officers in the villages or in the cities and asked them to look in the old books of the church in which baptisms were recorded. So many pastors and church secretaries had to work for hours and hours, weeks and months to answer all these requests. ‘Please give me an excerpt out of the church files that proves my ancestors had been Christians.’ The church officers and the ministers, they didn’t care. They did that. They said, ‘How important we are now.’ I was an assistant curator in the winter of ’33. I had to sit all morning and look through the books and answer these letters.” It was therefore the Christian clergy themselves–people indoctrinated with John 8:44, and Matthew 27:25, and Matthew 23:31-36, and Luke 19:27, etc.–who were the proud implementers of the indispensable first step in the Nazis’ 12-year-long “racist” war against the Jews, by supplying the crucial raw data for segregating-out Jews. Bethge was even honest enough to admit, “We were anti-Semitic, and we thought this was Christian.” The essential first step in the “final solution” was this identification of who was NOT an “Aryan,” who WAS “a Jew.” Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride. And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth. “Historians” have not been doing their job, for the truth. That’s why the general public cannot separate propaganda from history–the latter is just an extension of the former. Compare this account of the origin off how the Nazis managed to identify who was “a Jew” and who was not, that was given in a traditional history book on that topic, Edwin Black’s 2001 IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST. Christianity’s role is ignored.

  111. Anonymous[199]• 免责声明 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I’m sorry that you only took part of the defective batch of red pills when and because, irrelevantly, you were upset at Irving being punished for what you trustingly – and strictly inaccurately – call his “views”. If the indignant brain can be switched on again you might try setting aside the fact that lots of nasty destructive things were done in the 20th century that had nothing much to do with Hitler and the Jews and reset your starting point by studying the previous history of German anti-Semitism (and you might look at the willingness to commit genocide in Namibia in still high fertility days), the Kaiser suggesting exterminating the Jews with gas as, a comment elsewhere has noted, and Hitler’s long record of obsessive anti-Semitism. Hence the betrayal by a once great nation of Western civilization. Leave off treating as an issue whether the total number was 4 million or 6 million out of about 11 million. The Jews were Hitler’s leading candidates for extermination, as the mass deportations of women, children and old people from Western Europe should on its own be almost enough to wrap it up.

    • 回复: @Paul C.
  112. j2 说:
    @Wally

    Sorry Wally, it is not for you, see whom I wrote it to from the beginning quote. Pressed incorrect key.

  113. hyperbola 说:

    Zuesse has made a name for himself elsewhere as a “defender” of zionist crimes against Palestinians. He is about as reliable on this topic as Netanyahu himself, who told us that the Hitler is not guilty for the Holocaust.

    Netanyahu Exonerates Hitler of Responsibility for the Holocaust
    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2015/10/netanyahu-exonerates-hitler-of.html

    At the World Zionist Organisation Congress on 20th October, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu made what, even by his standards was an outrageous claim. Hitler was initially only in favour of expelling Jews from Europe (what was known as the Madgascar Plan) and that it was the Mufti who persuaded him of the merits of exterminating them…..

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  114. @utu

    Ad-hominem attacks are the preferred method for someone who has no evidence. Besides, what you said is false in every regard, except that my book does document that Hitler had an extraordinarily good memory and in all his reliably transcribed and written statements he paraphrased from over a hundred lines from throughout the Bible, and he believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews. However, Hitler also was profoundly influenced by Genesis 3, and by Revelations. However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @utu
    , @Svigor
  115. Robjil 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    We have a middle east Holocaust happening today. The world is silent. Old testament fanaticism is the center piece of it. Iraq 1991 invasion ended on Purim by killing 150000 Iraqis surrendering troops by US bombs from the air. 2003 Iraq invasion started on Purim. 2011 Libya invasion started on Purim. Mad Albright said 500000 Iraqi dying from sanctions is ok in the 1990s. This Old testament fanaticism needs to be addressed for the sake of humanity and our planet.

  116. Anon[317]• 免责声明 说:
    @Heros

    Poland, who will not allow any forensics on these 11 million to be undertaken. Poland, the nation who helped cover up Katyn for the Bolsheviks to pin it all on Germany during the sham Nuremburg trials. How convenient.

    its more than the math.. its intention.. the USA imprisoned its Japanese, and because the USA was capable to feed them few died.. Germany was unable to feed its own, much less those who were held outside of its society so many died, could the deaths have been a matter or priorities?

    The giant question why the Germans came to oppose Jewish presence, seems to me Hitler wished to alienate genetic affliction not competing races.

    Another question Can Hollow Cost propaganda, puppet German leadership, banker backed Zionist (1897) intentions to both eliminate Germany from the competition for the Arab oil and to increase the rate of Jewish infiltration in to Arab lands for the purpose to creating a Zionist controlled political structure which could lead the taking of the oil from the Arabs be reconciled?

    For that matter the entire issue associated to Lenin’s October revolution comes under suspicion as it might also be a part of that “take the oil by migration” plan.

    Somewhere in my library is a book with words to the effect that Hitler offered any nation (that would accept into citizenship any German Jewish person (a \$5,000 relocation bounty). Who can give me a reference to that. so I don’t have to look it up.

  117. Anonymous[199]• 免责声明 说:
    @escobar

    Thank you for that link. It is important occasionally to fortify oneself against the perverted addleheaded crap that the vermin endlessly spit out.

  118. kikl 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    “And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, and that Hitler was no Christian, and so forth.”

    If Hitler had execution in mind in 1933 then why did he pursue a policy of making the jews emigrate? He couldn’t kill the jews once they had emigrated!?

    For this reason, every reasonable historian rejects the idea that Hitler had already in mind to kill all of the jews in 1933.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  119. Anonymous[199]• 免责声明 说:
    @Erebus

    Has it not occurred to even the arrogant amateur that you are that there is no special advantage for a serious historian to refute the ragtag teams of denialists? Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning. It is as ignorant as thinking that, because some historian performs badly – as a convincing expert witness – under professional cross-examination, what he knows and writes about is discredited. (Have you ever been cross-examined by a \$1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

    • 同意: Momus
    • 回复: @Erebus
    , @Mulegino1
  120. ltravail 说:

    This critique of David Irving’s work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect. Irving was one of the most widely-read and celebrated writers of WW2-related history earlier in his career. But that was until he published “Hitler’s War.” That massive work once was even required, or highly-recommended, reading in military institutions over the world, including in the US. It wasn’t until a certain (and well-documented) cadre launched their extensive and wildly successful anti-Irving campaign that the public (or the more weakly-constituted elements of it) accepted the view of Irving as a pariah, and “Hitler’s War” was removed from the recommended reading lists of those aforementioned military institutions. Even after all these years (since the first publication of that remarkable work) this campaign continues. This hit piece is just the latest salvo in that great defamation campaign (though much applause and respect is due Ron Unz for having the conviction to put David Irving and his work in the spotlight).

    I have read most of Irving’s major (and minor) work, and have attended a couple of his lectures. His work makes other, more “acceptable”, WW2 historians (particularly those dealing with the German National Socialist regime) look like writers of folklore rather than facts-based history. He’s like the Art Tatum of WW2 historiographers – his instrumental command is so daunting that it makes most of the rest look ham-handed!

    Allow me to relate that I am a non-white American male. I say this because one of the (many) charges against Irving is that he’s a “racist” by nature – which, by implication, also means “anti-semitic”, as his tormentors would wish to convey. As I said, I have heard Irving in-person and viewed numerous other of his lectures of the past three decades – as well as having read most of his material. There is no doubt the man has a particular affinity for the “old” England – the England of empire – into which he was born and bred. And he makes no bones about lamenting the loss of his “jolly old England” by the shift in that nation’s immigration policies after WW2. But I have also heard him speak endearingly about the Afro-Caribbean immigrant female who used to be his assistant (who, in his words, he hired because she was the most qualified for the job).

    There is nothing that I have read in any of Irving’s works that would indicate what the man’s proclivities and prejudices are. He certainly does not spare Hitler or any of the other leading National Socialists (or Churchill, himself!) of that time of harsh judgment when due. But neither does he succumb to the worn-out fashion of making the people of that era and place caricatures of monstrosity. Needless to say, there was plenty of monstrosity on 所有 sides in that era.

    If there is any merit to the charge of Irving as a “racist”, then you might say it’s a character flaw that is easily divorced from the merits of his work. And even if one wanted to believe that Irving is a “racist”, that does not make the man dishonest, a liar…a Cretin. The merits of his work are unimpeachable, which certainly has much, if not 一切, to do with the vigor and extent to which this extraordinary scholar has been (and still is being) persecuted.

    • 回复: @L.K
  121. @j2

    This is a reasonable comment, and your numbers are not out of line with the only real demographic study of the issue I’m aware of (Sanning); this is a very challenging problem requiring all kinds of assumptions.

    Needless to say, that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka.

    • 回复: @j2
    , @Wally
  122. peterAUS 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    好帖子

    特别是:

    This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    I’d go one step more:
    What they would, reasonably, argue with that neoliberal elites constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to advance their globalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    That’s the core issue smart people should be focusing on.

    Not here, of course.

    These…ahm….”debates”…are about 东西 其他。

  123. @Thomm

    The ones who stayed were ‘progressives’ who believed in assimilation. The realists and Zionists (not always the same people) got out as soon as they could.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  124. peterAUS 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    对。

    My awakening came with the Zundel trials in Toronto.

    Mine too, regarding the official truth and (some) governments reaction to challenging it.

    Still, does not change, IMHO, the core issue:
    An organized effort by an advanced European state, to eradicate an ethnic minority from within. All of them.
    Keywords “eradicate” and the most important, ALL.

    There was something there much deeper than just politics, anger against the group, war and such.
    Something…I don’t know….primordial…mythical……religious…..?

    I guess that deep “thing” combined with advanced European state made it, and still makes it, so……what…frightening for some, and interesting for some other.

  125. Anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    “jewry provoked Kristallnacht”. You are kidding aren’t you? You sound as you have joined a special closeted too-many-books section of the tinfoil hat brigade.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  126. utu 说:
    @bjondo

    Did someone say Zuesse is Jew?

    You do not have to be a Jew to make Hitler or Christianity the object of your hate and obsession. His idée fixe is not very original. Many feeble minds and weak characters succumbed to it. Certainly the guy suffers from the delusion of grandeur. He aims high. In one self-published book he wants to finish off Jesus and in the second he finishes off Hitler on account that Hitler believed in that fake Jesus or something and that made him plan Holocaust so cleverly that nobody noticed that he did. Fortunately Zuesse came and discovered it all for everybody.

  127. @Thomm

    I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites

    Well, I don’t think that anyone here will argue that you are a qualified expert on being inferior and defective to the point of self-evidence. You are an undeniable master of unhealthy obsessions. Each successive comment you post on this site serves only to further cement that truth.

    That said, Uncle Thomm, your blatant obsession with white ‘trashionalists’ is 非常 heavy handed. Yet you don’t seem to see it. You just trudge on, accusing others of being defective and inferior, all while somehow remaining utterly blind to the irony of your own words. Never actually having anything relevant to say. But never forgetting to top your posts off with a reminder to everyone about how you are white yourself . You seem to go out of your way to reinforce that part. More than any actual white person realistically ever would, in fact. Mostly because believing that stating your skin color will in turn add some otherwise missing degree of substance or validation to their claims is a notoriously… shall we say ‘negro’ thing to do in America.

    mainstream whites like me.

    Oh, you so fly, mainstream white! Tell us how it do!

    Even among the delinquent Left, terms like ‘white trashionalist’ remain largely American negro buzz words only. ‘AmeriKKKa’ is another such example.

    And to use a source like Roosh to validate your own petty racism! How comically par for the course. ACTUAL scientists and their professional study of the differences between the races is just so…. racist, after all! Bunch of white trashionalists in lab coats, am I right? So why not just rely on some equally credible secondary sources, like swarthy Arab pick up artists. 10/10 my friend. Sound logic for… for a negro searching desperately for anything to assuage his own inferiority complex in lieu of valid science. /sarc

    Which brings me to my point. Despite your constant posturing, I highly doubt that anyone here actually believes you are white. I mean, if it’s all just a mental hoop you have to jump through to psyche yourself up when you come here to talk your crap, then you do you. But I don’t think anyone else is buying it. You can say you don’t care, but you obviously do. The only thing you do as intensely as you throw around the term ‘white trashionalist’ around here is try to remind everyone else that you are white. I don’t think you realize how obvious you are being. Which is hard to believe.

    That, and your rhetoric in general stinks of envy and you project like a dime-a-dozen college Red Guard zealot reading his social justice essay from the designated white-free campus safe space where he spends his time petting puppies and practicing how to properly draw the swastikas he intends to scribble in feces somewhere on campus and blame on the ‘white trashionalists’ to get media attention.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at by lambasting them with your petty hatred for daring to have their own identity like everyone else on the planet is entitled to. And then pathetically attempting to hide your tracks behind a digital ‘white face’ mask in a cheap bid to add some non-existent legitimacy to your petulant criticisms, and in turn (hopefully) avoid your fragile ego suffering any return fire from the community here, whom it seems you know would readily and irrefutably eviscerate that fragile disposition of yours even worse than they still do now if you were to (proudly?) admit you were black while speaking your hateful mind here.

    Good times, Uncle Thomm.

    • 回复: @Thomm
  128. In fact, tribalism seems to be coming into vogue again throughout the world.

    when was it ever out of fashion? especially in the case of jews? the other races are simply waking up to this fact and are now arming themselves the same way. blacks in the usa were the first ones to catch on.

    when every race cheats like the jews, no more advantage. scary times ahead for jews.

  129. I don’t now, but if this article is the best they can come up with, Irving wins.

  130. @kikl

    Why, then, did Hitler have pastors in all of the churches provide the new Government their archival baptismal records for everyone in their parish?

    • 回复: @kikl
    , @FKA Max
  131. i am a bit bemused by the constant debate on this subject. If germany austria, poland, belgium, and other eurpoean official state entities say there was a holocaust, I just am unclear why I shouldn’t believe them.

    even collective guilt wouldn’t be enough, in my view for them to accept the matter without some rebuttal. Whether Hitler was a diabolical evil or a misguided miscreant, doesn’t really matter, he along with others either designed, implemented or supported the events concerning offenses against noncombatants and hitler as chancellor would rightly be held accountable.

    Acknowledging such atrocities that justifies agreeing to every israeli demand on foreign policy or supporting outlawing “free speech” on issues related to the subject.

    • 回复: @Astuteobservor II
  132. peterAUS 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    ..Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    Would you be so kind to point to some online source re above, please?

    You are, apparently, an expert in the matter.
    Question, then:
    How much of the “thing” was just Hitler (a person), how much his inner circle (say, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Hess) , how much top Nazi elite and, well, how much Nazis (the movement) in general?

    “Thing” being that peculiar attitude re Jews in general.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  133. kikl 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    I don’t understand your question. How does the baptismal record prove the will to exterminate?

    Hitler even made an agreement with zionist jews in order to transfer German Jews to palestine. It is called the transfer agreement or Haavara agreement. Take a look here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    This proves that Hitler had no intention of killing all the jews in 1933.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
    , @Eric Zuesse
  134. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    “Eichmann….flywheel of the extermination machine.”

    Benthic Wally… flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

    • 回复: @Cloak And Dagger
    , @Wally
  135. peterAUS 说:
    @Frank Hilliard

    同意。

    One could say that the regime tried to eradicate very those who actually wanted to assimilate.

    Personally, I find that quite interesting.

    Feels as……eradicating competition or, just simple envy? Heavy dose of scapegoating too.

  136. The leap from here:

    Hitler commanded this first step in the year he came into power, 1933, and the Christian clergy executed it with pride.

    to Here:

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very start

    is without basis in fact or logic..

    a. re “Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian.=
    So we should disregard all the business about “blonde hair and blue eyes = Aryan” as propagandistic nonsense, and “Aryan supremacy” as nonsense, since “Hitler. . . had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian?“

    b. You go to the historian-like trouble of providing a documentary reference for Hitler’s definition of Aryan, but where is the documentation for the conclusion that “Hitler had execution of Jews in mind from the very start?”
    Does the U S Constitutional requirement that a person who seeks to become president of the United States prove, through birth records, for example, that he is indeed an American citizen warrant the conclusion that the U S Constitution, by seeking to eliminate non-Americans, “has in mind the execution of non-Americans from the very start?”
    No, of course not; that is ludicrous.

    c. Moreover, your critique, and most of the comments, and indeed Irving’s “Hitler’s War” all fail to record or fully consider for its implications, in general, the dominant role of zionism in the European wars of the 20th century; and specifically, Louis Brandeis’s directive to Rabbi Stephen Wise of ~Feb. 14, 1933, that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews must leave . . . no Jew should remain . . .”

    Mulegino’s comment @ #67 chronicles the holocaust narrative from a starting point in 1939:

    Once the alleged event is defined in factual terms, it is falsifiable. The core of the false narrative is this:
    1939-1945年期间, National Socialist Germany- . . .

    But Brandeis issued his directive, which Rabbi Wise, his son, James Waterman Wise 出版 in May, 1933; 塞缪尔·昂特迈尔 (radio broadcast, Aug. 1933) and indeed “International Jewry” in collaboration [ Judea Declares War on Germany, . . . Jews of all the world unite 。 。 。 23年1933月XNUMX日, hastened to execute: in speeches, publications, protest rallies, a Declaration of Economic War on Germany intended to destroy German exports upon which Germany’s economy depended (i.e. the economic war was intended to be and was in fact an existential threat to the German people), all heaping on vilification of Hitler and the NSDAP with the goal of provoking such instability in Germany, and animus against Jews in Germany, that German Jews would leave their German homes and flee to Palestine, where their wealth was sorely needed; or to USA, whence zionism had removed its center of power.

    The two crucially important bits of information from the above are:
    First, Louis Brandeis, head of zionists world-wide, directed that Jews must leave Germany; and second, that directive and the provocative acts intended to implement the movement of Jews from Germany were issued and carried out beginning early in 1933, well before the alleged inception of a holocaust of Jews in 1939-1945.

    Escobar, @ #85, mentioned holocaust historian and Holodomor-denier Timothy Snyder. In a

    Snyder made this stunning observation:

    In history you can’t really say something happened in 1933 because something was going to happen in 1945. You can only explain things that happened in 1933 by events up to and including 1933. It’s very tempting to apply later events . . . but we can only understand historical events in terms of the causes that bring them about. [@ 20 min ]

    There was no holocaust in 1933.
    A holocaust of Jews could not have been the motive for Brandeis’s directive that Jews leave Germany, nor for the numerous provocations zionist Jewish leaders deployed to vilify and provoke the German government.
    (Jeffrey Herf has conceded that the opposite was the case: that Germany was justified in “persecuting” Jews, i.e. between 1933 and 1939, in retaliation for zionist-Jewish provocations. https://www.c-span.org/video/?192852-1/the-jewish-enemy-nazi-propaganda )

    If, as you claim, Eric Zuesse, by “the winter of ’33” Hitler had instructed church leaders to sort out “Aryans,” who were by Hitler’s definition “Christians,” there is far more hard evidence to warrant that NSDAP was acting in cooperation and collaboration with zionist directives than there is to support an exercise in mind-reading that that activity indicated that Hitler . . . 没有 [had] execution of the Jews in mind from the very start, or if he did, his mind was in complete synchrony with those of the leaders of zionism and International Jewry.

    Hitler did NOT start the war, zionist Jews started the war, for zionist purposes.

    • 同意: Cloak And Dagger
  137. Robjil 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Amalek is a horrible concept popular with Old testament fanatics in Israel and with Israel firsters. Dehorah Lipstadt called Irving Amalek. After the return from Exodus, the Amalek tribe attacked the Israelites. Old testament fanatics still keep the concept of Amalek alive today. It allows Israelis to massacre of women and children in Palestine without guilt. Here Michael Hoffmann talks about Amalek and Deborah Lipstadt’s calling Irving Amalek.

    Here is Chabad’s viewpoint of Amalek:

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Was-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm

    o Wipe Out Amalek

    摧毁阿玛莱克的仪式暗示着没有留下任何阿玛莱克存在的痕迹。10圣人解释说:“什么都没有,可以提醒阿玛莱克的名字,甚至没有一个动物可以这样说,'这只动物属于到阿玛力克。'” 11

    The first Jewish king, Saul, was commanded by the prophet Samuel to finally wipe out Amalek. Saul was victorious against the Amalekites, but spared the choicest of their flocks and the Amalekite king, Agag.

    When Samuel found out about Saul’s disobedience, Saul lost his right to kingship. Samuel then killed Agag himself.12

    However, before he was killed, Agag sired a child who would keep Amalek’s lineage alive. Some 500 years later, one of this child’s descendants was Haman the Agagite, of Purim fame.13

  138. @hyperbola

    What “hyperbola” says in #115 is a lie, and that’s not only because this very article (in its concluding paragraph, no less) condemns Daniel Goldhagen’s zionism, but because of the several articles that I have written about Israel, all of which are hostile toward it, as is explained, for example, in my “Why Does U.S. Gov’t. Donate \$38B to an Enemy Nation?” (at http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html and elsewhere), and in the many articles I’ve published about the Saud-Israel alliance, all explaining how tied-together both aristocracies are in controlling U.S. foreign policies. Though I am not anti-Jews (such as many of the readers here seem to be — and quite strongly!), I am very anti-Israel. And as to the accusations that are being made here that I am anti-Christian, I am no more anti-Christian than I am anti-Jew, though the readers who are commenting here seem to be extremely pro-Christian and extremely anti-Jew. All such tribalisms are equally, and extremely, destructive.

    • 回复: @Wally
  139. @Eric Zuesse

    Anecdotal evidence aside, I guess I am just missing the part about how you go from searching for and identifying Jewish blood to, without any evidence at all, and with plenty of evidence to the contrary, the foregone conclusion that cleansing and genocide were the (only) goal from the very start. As opposed to removal and relocation.

    “‘Bad blood’ was the great term. You had to have Aryan blood.” Hitler, in only his private statements, had defined “Aryan,” as pureblooded Christian. Bethge’s interviewer inquired, “So we know this Jewish poison [Jewish blood] had to be cleansed. How did they propose to do that?=

    Well? I see no evidence. Just the heavy insinuations that people without evidence often try to pass off as a valid substitute. It’s not. There’s no small supply of anecdotal evidence against the genocide narrative, from Jews, as well. Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps.

    And yet even today, so-called “historians” say that Hitler didn’t have execution of the Jews in mind from the very star

    What do you mean “and yet” or “so-called” . You mean: “And yet, despite the empty insinuations and insistence that absence of proof is not proof of absence, some so-called “historians” are still doing their actual job and not revising history based on baseless insinuations or otherwise unsubstantiated and, in many cases, even outright refutable claims?

    Pointing out what everyone knows, that he was looking for Jews, and then connecting that to slaughtering them all with intent, using nothing more than insinuation and anecdotally reinforced assurances.. is NOT sound reasoning.

    Christianity’s role is ignored.

    Maybe Christianity did play a bigger role. It’s still the role it was supposed to play, is it not? Protecting civilization from destructive influences. There are some reasonably sound arguments out there that suggest Christianity was created specifically as a weapon against Jews and their religion of subversion and supremacy.

    In either event, the involvement of Christianity in the affairs of Germany in the WWII period here is no different than Christianity’s involvement in the Crusades. Just another example of Christianity stepping up and serving it’s purpose as a shield, as a bulwark (albeit with mixed success). Be it against the flailing sword of Islam, or the cloaked dagger of Judaism.

    If anything, it’s a shame that dagger’s poison has been so effective at corroding the West’s bulwark ever since WWII.

    • 回复: @nickels
    , @Cloak And Dagger
  140. escobar 说:

    Just a couple of additional suggestions for reading:

    1. “The German Army and Genocide: Crimes against War Prisoners, Jews and Other Civilians in the East, 1939-1944,” 1999, by the Hamburg Institute for Social Research, Transl. from the German

    2. Books by Christopher Browning, especially “Ordinary Men”

    3. Books by Timothy Snyder. especially “Bloodlands,” chronicling the killing of 14 million civilians in the East by Stalin and Hitler

    Full of sources and interviews and photographs…Snyder learned the languages of the area (Ukraine etc) and interviewed extensively in the area.

  141. j2 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    In Sannings numbers very many Jews immigrated from Poland. I think they immigrated from East Poland or further east from Poland, like from the Soviet Union. There was 100,00 yearly immigration through Poland to France and from there forward, and in my opinion 1 million ended up in the USA. Many stayed in France and the high French Jewish population in 1939 was largely immigrants from the east.

    Why I think Sanning maybe overestimates the immigration from Poland is that I count that what is left to Auschwitz when I subtract known losses and concentration camp survivors is 400,000. Then there were 100,000 Polish Jews, who came to DP camps after 1946, so remains to explain 300,000. Probably 60,000 died in Auschwitz, 50,000 Jews died in the attack and following terror by Germans (or were taken to camps, Poles count that 500,0oo Poles died, 50,000 is 10% like the Jews were), This leaves 190,000. I cannot reduce the population of West Poland more than 190,000 (i.e., whole Poland more than 350,000) thus I cannot reduce the population of Poland in 1939 much below 3 million. But I can easily accept that the areas east of Poland had lost quite many Jews. I think Sanning is essentially correct, there was large immigration before 1939, only not so many from Western Poland.

    I used the Jewish figures for the Jewish populations and the official German+Polish figures for deaths in other than extermination camps, as they are quite sufficient for showing that 1-1.5M deaths in Auschwitz is impossible (and these numbers seem OK to me).

    For Treblinka, Sobibor, Belcez I estimate that each had about 50,000 deaths as there are mass graves and the size and number of the graves suggest the figure 50,000, not 500,000. Thus, 1.3M passed these camps to the east and what happened to them is anybody’s guess. At least some 270,00 survived according to a calculation of how many came to the DP camps from the east after 1946.

    But of course, I do not deny the Holocaust and 6M. Miracles happen still today.

  142. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    So unless I can answer that, the answer is ‘death factories’?

    It’s like the creationists: if you can’t explain the Big Bang, the Bible must be true.

  143. @Anon

    One deficit in Irving’s “Hitler’s War” is the almost complete absence of discussion of the role of zionism/zionists in extending World War I and in starting and manipulating World War II.

    One of Irving’s two significant references to “zionists” occurs in a footnote, relative to Kristallnacht. The comment is not conclusive but suggestive:

    “Some writers now argue that the Nazis had fallen into a Zionist trap. The Haganah officials with whom Adolf Eichmann negotiated on his trip to Palestine in November 1937 had hinted that it would serve their interests if things were made hot for Germany’s Jews, to accelerate Jewish emigration to Palestine. It deserves comment that Grynszpan, although a destitute youth, was able to reside in a hotel in 1938 and purchase a handgun for 250 francs, and that his defense counsel Moro Giafferi was the best that the money of the International League against Anti-Semitism (LICA) could buy; LICA’s Paris office was around the corner from Grynszpan’s hotel.” fn, p. 142

    We know from Francis Nicosia’s “Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany” that Haganah had created and dispatched to European cities, including in Germany, Mossad el-Aliyeh Bet, zionist agents whose task was to assist German Jews in leaving Germany, breaking the British blockade and settling in Palestine. Mossad el-Aliyeh functioned in full view, and often in cooperation with, Gestapo; Nicosia notes that one Mossad headquarters was across the street from a Gestapo office.
    It’s not a stretch to conjecture that Mossad played some role in inciting the rioting that followed the provocation of Grynszpan’s assassination of vom Roth.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Anon
  144. j2 说:
    @j2

    “because it is known that Nazis captured from Western Europe about 1.82 million Jews and the rest stayed.” Sorry again, the figure is not 1.82M, it is 1.2M. So, 1.2M+1.8M+0.06M=3.06M is the number of Jews that might have been transported to Auschwitz. Subtract who dies elsewhere or did not die gives the upper bound for Auschwitz deaths.

  145. @peterAUS

    That “thing” might have been unique to Hitler; my investigation focused only on reading everything that was written by or reliably transcribed from Hitler; but Himmler etc., I read only incidentally to that task, of finding out how Hitler’s thinking evolved over time, and what was in it, especially his private notes to himself, which was where he had no intention of persuading or deceiving anyone, because these were to himself, while he was struggling to understand what was happening to him. Also, immersing myself in him, and in the world about him and his interactions with it (the stuff from secondary sources), I was stunned to see that he really did know the Bible almost by heart. Even his Mein Kampf is loaded with paraphrases from it, and his private notes were “the Jews” versus “the Aryans” and he was trying to understand “original sin” which is in Genesis 3, where he interpreted the snake as being Satan and (in accord with passages such as John 8:44 and Matthew 23:33-38) concluded that “original sin” came from “the Jew” and could be overcome only by eliminating them all. Hitler repeatedly indicated that he must keep secret his understanding of the world, in order to be able to achieve what he wanted. So, there were things he didn’t tell to anyone. My goal was to get into his world-view, to understand it. He was deeply affected by the Bible — both the New and the Old Testaments. He was struggling to understand it, as he called it in only his private notes: “The Bible — Monumental History of Mankind.” He read Revelation 20:1-7 and was inspired by it to eliminate all Jews for the Thousand-Year Reich” to start.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @j2
  146. @kikl

    To exterminate whom? Which individuals, This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information. Of course, nobody except Hitler himself knew then what use he would make of this information. He was very secretive, even to Himmler, Goebbels, Bormann, etc., everything on only a need-to-know basis, so that only he knew what was going to be happening next. He was an extremely gifted leader; he had that natural gift. He understood how to achieve what he wanted. HE WAS NO ‘WEAK LEADER’.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  147. nickels 说:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    It is inevitable that Christianity should play a role in the jew’s conceptualization of his race’s imaginary crucifixion upon the German’s sword. This is a matter of simple projection: the jew’s very identity is the rejection of Christ, the rejection of Logos. Not race, not religion, not culture or anything else.
    Their slander against the Germans is not personal, unlike the hatred for Christian Russia-Germany was merely chosen as a sacrifice necessary to bring about the myth of the birthing of the jewish messiah, i.e. the jewish people, via the holocaust.
    Zuesse is at least honest in his lies. He goes straight to the heart of the matter and lays out the choice for everyone to make:
    Either the evil Christ of the Christians, with their foot soldier Hitler, or the brilliant messianic jewish people with their supreme wisdom and everlasting goodness in bringing about a world of gayness, usury, communism and transgenderism, i.e a world that is healed, tikkun Olam.

    And he is right. That is the choice.
    Except that we know Christ is the true messiah and that the jewish alternative is the antichrist and death.

    为他祈祷。

    • 回复: @Felix Culpa
  148. byrresheim 说:
    @ThereisaGod

    Question:Why do we allow the Jewish leadership to turn “their” collective suffering into a world religion (which it now is .. with any heresy or blasphemy against the sacred doctrine punished by career termination or even imprisonment) on the basis of the biggest lie in human history?

    Interesting question indeed.

  149. Paul C. 说:
    @Anonymous

    Are you familiar with the Transfer Agreement? It was a WW2 zionist plan to get European jews to move to Palestine so Israel could be created. Are you familiar with the Balfour Declaration? It was a zionist plan hatched in WW1 to create Israel from Palestine, which occurred at the end of WW2. A byproduct of this event is that America would be dragged into WW1, via the usual false flag event (Lusitania).

    Why did Int’l Jewry declare war on Germany in 1933? Can you provide evidence of Hitler wanting to exterminate?

  150. renfro 说:

    The JTA contains a treasure trove of reports that show how US Jews agitated the Nazis to take steps to suppress the jews.
    WWII wasnt about the Jews… but the Jews tried to make it about the Jews.
    You will never hear a Jew discuss or write about WWII except as the war to exterminate the Jews.

    http://www.jta.org/1933/03/07/archive/declares-germans-justified-in-stemming-jewish-influence
    Berlin (Mar. 6) 1933
    Considerable comment has been aroused here by the publication of a statement in the “Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung”, the organ of von Papen, over the signature of Max Naumann, leader of the National German Jewish Union, which is the most extreme body of Jewish assimilationists in Germany.
    Max Naumann declares that the desire manifested among Germans to stem Jewish influence is justified. He adds that German Jewish emancipation had assumed in 1918 a further growth which had been “exploited by improper elements, and the justified repulse had now unfortunately hit also the better elements among German Jews.”
    Berlin (Mar. 6)
    “If Jews remain loyal, they may pursue their business without fear,” is the statement reported to have been made by Minister Goering to a special correspondent of the “Svenska Dagbladet,” one of the most important newspapers in Sweden. The correspondent further reports that Goering added that Germany would not, however, allow Jews to conduct the business of the country.

    Berlin (Mar. 27)
    The most responsible Jewish quarters in Germany, including the Zionist Federation, the Central Union of the German Citizens of the Jewish Faith, the League of German Jewish Veterans and the Society of National German Jews have joined, through the Jewish Telegraphic Agency here, in an appeal to the American Jews to abandon today’s demonstrations against alleged atrocities in Germany.
    The German Jews disapprove the anti-German propaganda which has manifested itself throughout the world and express the hope that the German people will soon gain an appreciation of loyal German Jewry. They appeal that no resolutions harmful to the German people should be adopted.
    Apart from the appeal of the above organizations a number of German rabbis have sent a protest to Bishop Manning, one of the speakers at Madison Square Garden, protesting against what they describe as “exaggerated reports of Jewish atrocities”. It is understood, also, that the German Zionist Federation have addressed themselves to Bishop Manning reiterating their protest against untrue tales of cruelty and against “those Jews who are attempting to misuse the Jewish question in the political interests of other countries.”
    They demand that the question of the protection of Jewish rights should not be linked with the political actions against Germany.
    The J.T.A. here is further informed that Mr. Ernest Wallach, Vice-President of the Union of German Citizens of the Jewish Faith, who is at present on a stay in the United States for business purposes, has addressed the following telegram to the Governor of the State of New York, Herbert H. Lehman, the Honorable Alfred E. Smith, the Right Reverend William T. Manning, Bishop of New York; Bishop Francis J. McConnell, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Admiral Richard Byrd, Mr. Bernard S. Deutsch and other speakers at the meeting planned for last night in the Madison Square Garden of New York:
    “The undersigned Vice-president of the Central Association of German Citizens of Jewish Faith, has just received the following cable from the President of the Association, Dr. Julius Brodnitz in Berlin: ‘We earnestly urge you to do all in your power in order that Monday’s Mass Meeting be called off, or if such should, against our sincere hopes not prove possible, to prevail upon the speakers of the evening to refrain from stirring the emotions of their audience against Germany. We can assure them that the German Government is permanently and successfully engaged in assuring Peace and Order to all citizens without discrimination’.”
    In an accompanying letter Mr. Wallach says:
    “In conveying the contents of this telegram to you, as one of the principal speakers of tomorrow’s event, I beg to identify myself with the appeal therein voiced by the elected representation of Germany’s Jewish population and to earnestly bespeak you to aid us in preventing any action which is liable to encroach upon the prestige of our country and thereby seriously affect our most vital interests.”
    Menu JTA

    Goebbels Offers Reward for Name of Single Jew Killed in Nazi Revolution
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    March 28, 1933

    伦敦(27 月 XNUMX 日)
    In an exclusive article, covering the whole of the front page of yesterday’s “Sunday Express,” Goebbels denies the Jewish atrocities and offers a reward for the name of a single Jew whose death can be laid to the Nazi revolution.
    Of the anti-Semitic movement in Germany, he says it is caused by the fact that German laws, though a small percentage of the general population, hold an enormously large number of influential public posts. Moreover, he charges a large number of Jews being involved in corruption scandals which he alleges have exasperated the German population. Nevertheless, he declares that Jews are allowed to conduct their private business and practise their religion freely, and that no hair of anyone’s head would be touched.
    The German authorities, says Goebbels, have the power to guarantee complete and absolute security to all observing the laws of the German people. The German people, he added, had other business than that of Jew-baiting.

    March 28, 1933

    A statement by Dr. Ernest Hanfstaengel, chief of the foreign press section of the Nazi party, reported by the United Press, confirms almost in every detail the reports of the systematic boycott and drive against Jews in German businesses and professions.
    Asked for the cause of the wave of anti-Semitism in Germany, Dr. Hanfstaengl said:
    “In the last fourteen years Jewry has achieved positions of influence which it has grossly misused morally, financially and politically in an unheard of manner, with the result that the German people crumbled morally, financially and politically.
    “The same Jewry now is seeking to smirch Germany’s renaissance.”
    Dr. Hanfstaengl went on to say, says the correspondent of the United Press, that the ousting of Jews in Germany from influential positions will continue “until the house is cleansed”.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  151. Dr. Doom 说:

    One of the things now being noticed around the World is how the English and Americans that saved these Jews are now being called Nazis. I’m no big fan of the Bohemian Corporal, but the Jew is hardly a victim. The worst genocides can be traced to their Synagogue. The Armenian Genocide, The Holodomor, the Mao Purges, The Pol Pot Regime and others.
    These puny Jews and their tall tales of “persecution”. Let me tell you sport, you don’t scare me much. You have NO FRIENDS anymore. Being a friend to you is OBVIOUSLY FAR WORSE than being a Deadly Enemy. Farrakhan, the Ayatollah and others get far better press than Cucking “Judeo-Christians”. You had better watch your tongue wormtongue. Times have CHANGED.

  152. utu 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    [Hitler] believed himself to be carrying out the intention of Jesus regarding the Jews

    However, after the Pope in 1937 made clear to him that the Pope’s moral authority was higher than was Hitler’s, Hitler changed his mind and concluded that the problem with Jews wasn’t necessarily that they had descended from the Snake in Genesis 3, but that their blood was infected with a bacterium, which must not be passed along (via intermarriage) to pure-blooded Christians.

    You are a kook. It is not ad hominem. Just keep talking. And this will become only more evident for anybody who might still consider you sane.

    BTW, paraphrasing is not a proof of ‘extraordinarily good memory.’ People with good memory can quote verbatim. The ‘paraphrases’ that you have discovered are only in your mind.

    • 同意: Mike P
    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  153. Good on Ron Unz for publishing a response to his article.

    The man is a real gentleman.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  154. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Eric Zuesse

    My non-sinister guess would be to determine and to update who has to pay the German church tax and to which religious group/community they have to pay it to:

    The church tax was reaffirmed in Article 13 of the Reichskonkordat[4] between Nazi Germany and the Vatican, where it is understood that the right of the Church to levy taxes is guaranteed. Taxpayers, whether Roman Catholic, Protestant or members of other tax-collecting communities, pay an amount equal to between 8% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg) and 9% (in the rest of the country) of their income tax to the church or other community to which they belong.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax#Germany

    The Reichskonkordat (“Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich”[1]) is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII, on behalf of Pope Pius XI and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of President Paul von Hindenburg and the German government. It was ratified September 10, 1933 and it has been in force from that date onward.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

  155. Art 说:

    “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he had left out.

    Hmm – what is Mr. Zuesse leaving out of his history?

    How about the Jew bankers that funded both sides? Churchill had Jew bankers and Hitler had Jew bankers.

    What is the truly ugly history of Jew banking, past and present?

    How many white Europeans died because of Jew bankers – all too happy to fund war?

    That is the centuries old real history of Euro war! A chronicle of Euro blood spilled because of evil Jew money needs to be written.

    思考和平——不要伤害——保持希望、爱、真理和理想主义——艺术

    • 回复: @Momus
  156. Skeptikal 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    “The trial transcripts are available online.”

    I don’t know of this trial.
    Do you have a link for the transcripts?

    • 回复: @Curmudgeon
  157. @quasi_verbatim

    Sorry, I believe you meant to say Common Era 2018.

  158. Florin N 说:
    @Colin Wright

    So the best evidence is from a guy tortured by the allies after the war – this is supposed to be a serious reply to Irving?

    the author has not come close to doing so.

    I’m less skeptical of Hitler ordering extermination verbally than I am of 6 million – a
    mythic number for orthodox jews. Indeed that number is not at all well supported, while the sacred/mystical use if that number is in evidence for decades before the war.

    http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

    To me, what is important is not a conclusion but the freedom to DOUBT. In all history only this crime against Jews is a crime to doubt.

    Which gives one reason to doubt it.

    It is similar to the notion we must not criticize Jews or Judaism… the ‘sacred eternal victim’ is above it… even when conmitting war crimes.

  159. @Reg Cæsar

    ‘Progressive whites are the most backward people on the planet. They think that buggery can consummate a marriage. Even the naked Yanomami aren’t that stupid.’

    Excellent point, sir, quite right, nothing trifling there.

  160. utu 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    A curious case of Grynszpan. After occupation of France in 1940 Grynszpan ends up in German custody where he is kept. Germans do not take advantage of it. Soviets would have staged a show trial and gained PR. Apparently Germans did not have talents for it. They even acquitted several suspects in Reichstag Fire trial. This would have never happened in the USSR or the post 9/11 America.

    It was believed that eventually he was executed but it seems that Grynszpan survived the WWII while in NAZi custody.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/18/herschel-grynszpan-photo-mystery-jewish-assassin-kristallnacht-pogrom

    NB: The story of Grynszpan resurfaced in media relatively recently when Russian ambassador was murdered in Turkey insinuating that killing Russian ambassadors was kind of OK like killing the NAZI diplomat by Grynszpan.

  161. Skeptikal 说:
    @Thomm

    “I always wondered why only half left.”

    The genuinely curious can solve this riddle fairly easily!
    And rid themselves of their 20-20 hindsight syndrome at the same time.
    Many memoirs have been written that describe the excrutiating decisions that relatively assimilated Jews in Germany and Austria faced–that is, business owners with extended families, etc. who really had a lot to lose and whose family members often were not on the same page about going or staying—and where to go to hunker down?
    Getting a ticket, getting a visa, getting a spouse out of Dachau—getting out of Germany and Austria required a lot of moxie, some money, somewhere to go, often, somd kind of official protection (say, from a friend who was in the Party and could fix something).
    The policy of the Third Reich was an evolving thing after 1933. the Final Solution wasn’t not the official policy until after the war started. It was always problematical and a source of internal conflict because the Reich also needed the Jews (and others) for slave labor to run the economy. Recall that it was the SS that ran the concentration/extermination/labor camps. Not the German government per se. The SS was a huge economic organization and there were a lot of internal contradictions concerning the three functions of the camps.
    Some smart, educated, assimilated Germans saw the writing on the wall, and if they had some foreign contacts who could help them arrange an exit visa, then an entry visa in another country, and maybe a way to transfer some funds, could fix something.
    However, many businessmen and others in the financial sector or owners of various types of businesses/companies were conflicted because they were German, and they felt that by leaving they would provide fuel for the “Jewish conspiracy” charges that Jews were trying to bring down the German economy.
    Another twist is that it was extremely difficult to get any money out of Germany. In the early thirties the Reich needed cash. In fact, one reason for getting Jews to emigrate was to seize their assets in return for permission to leave. Many Jewish wills just disappeared.
    Another thing: Some Gentiles who had married Jews thought that it would suffice to send the Mischling children out of Germany—if they could afford it. They themselves would stay. Many families were torn apart by such considerations.
    等等 等等 等等
    Speaking of 20-20 hindsight, it might be worthwhile to ask why more Americans don’t leave this country now. The quality of life is so much higher in many other countries. Soooooo?????? What gives?
    Oh, maybe it is not so easy to just pick up and start living in another country, esp. if one is past one’s twenties or thirties. How many here ever even managed to live outside the USA for any period of time? Or even possess a passport?
    20-20!!

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @peterAUS
  162. @kikl

    For example: Hitler in 1922 told a journalist Joseph Hell (I quote this on page 77, then discuss on pages 82-83 the context in which he said this in conversation, to impress the man, but not to publish it, just on background so that he could understand the Nazi Party), “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows — as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanging indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink. … As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on, … until all Germany has been cleaned of Jews.” Little over a year later, Hitler wrote into Mein Kampf (1939, p. 946; 1943, p. 651) that the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

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    , @FKA Max
    , @Caruthers
    , @utu
  163. @utu

    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle
    against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall
    完。”
    Adolf Hitler, speech to his followers, December 18, 1926

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @bjondo
  164. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    And another thing not to forget:
    Germany after 1933 evolved quite quickly into a totalitarian state. That was the reason that many chose to leave, not because they foresaw the Final Solution (obviously, the word “Final” is a hint as to the role of this “solution” in the big picture). The Reich wanted to reeducate the politically wayward if they could, and forcibly expatriate the others. This continued well in 1937-38.

    Thus, people could collect Brownie points for denouncing others for various crimes, and of course Jews were particularly vulnerable to being denounced for something. If they had any assets, the denunciations could channel money to the state, or a local authority or party official, and also there was a trickle-down effect to the denouncers. And, some denouncers were actually youths who had been indoctrinated in various ways via the new Nazi youth groups (after Gleichschaltung that took place from 1933 to approximately 1935 and eliminated all traces of German civil society) and were “true believers” who swallowed the Aryan story. Not that different from the ISIS zealots.

    • 回复: @anon
  165. @Eric Zuesse

    This plowing through church-archives was in 1933-34, long before the Nuremberg Laws, which required this information.

    Yes, before Nuremberg laws, but AFTER Louis Brandeis’s directive that “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . .”

    Rabbi Stephen Wise records that conversation w/ Brandeis in his autobiography, 充满挑战的岁月; he notes that it took place “within a fortnight of the Fuhrer’s ascent to chancellorship” that is, by Feb. 14, 1933. It is significant that he stated a specific number of German Jews, since tens of thousands of Polish and Russian Jews had taken refuge in Germany to escape from turmoil in those places. Grynszpan and his family were just such Polish Jewish would-be refuge-seekers.

    German ambassador to USA Hans Luther explained that in addition to the over-representation of Jews in administrative posts, it was those alien, or non-German Jews that were especially troublesome in Germany in the Weimar years:

    [Luther] asserted that limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.

    https://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

    • 回复: @Erebus
    , @jilles dykstra
  166. Art 说:

    Mr. Zuesse perpetuates the “six million lie” so his slimy cousins in Israel can do this.

    Palestinian teen shot by Israeli soldier: ‘My leg is gone’

    More than half of 15,000 total injuries in Gaza demos since March 30 are from explosive bullets, leading to amputation.

    by Maram Humaid
    14 Jun 2018

    “I took my slingshot with me,” Abdullah, a skinny boy of 13, told Al Jazeera. “A few people were in the area, and everything was calm.”

    “I went near the fence and starting throwing rocks,” he said, sitting in his wheelchair. “Then as I started to climb the fence, I saw an Israeli soldier hiding in the bushes.”

    Abdullah’s immediate reaction was to step down from the fence and run away, but before he could do that, the soldier shot him in the left thigh with an explosive bullet at close range.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/palestinian-teen-shot-israeli-soldier-leg-180612201751173.html

    认为和平—不伤害—艺术

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
    , @Karl
  167. @Art

    How am I perpetuating “the ‘six million lie’” if it is that, which I don’t even know? I write about what I know about and can document with the most credible evidence that currently exists regarding the given matter. The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.

    • 回复: @Art
  168. @Momus

    Benthic Wally… flywheel of the denier/liar machine.

    You have been repeating this tiresome ad hominem attack on Wally ad nauseum, and yet you appear unable to refute any of his points or present credible data to do so. I think that gives him the victory in this debate, whether you accept that or not, and shows you in very poor light. I don’t know if you are getting paid to do this, but if you are, you have not been a particularly good return on any investment your employer may have made.

    When you are deep in a hole, stop digging.

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  169. @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    or the cloaked dagger of Judaism

    I am glad you didn’t say “the cloak dagger of judaism”!

  170. Robjil 说:

    The H has been used as a tool to whack us over the head for decades in the west. One can’t investigate it or question it. In Europe, in many countries, one goes to jail for five years for the questioning the controlled viewpoint. In Jan. 2018, a Canadian citizen, Monika Schaefer, was dragged away to prison in Germany for making a video that questioned the controlled viewpoint of the H. She was just watching the trial of Slyvia Stolz, who is being jailed for being too good of a lawyer for Ernst Zundel. We are in a new Dark Ages. No one shouldn’t be jailed for questioning or investigating history.
    Victoria Nuland, an American Jew, revived a type of Nazism, Banderism from the WW2 era, to take over Ukraine for US interests. This action by her woke me up to question and investigate everything. We are constantly being told by our controlled MSM that Nazism was the worst thing ever for Jews and everyone. So why would a Jewish person revive it in the 21 century?

  171. anarchyst 说:

    没有一个文件概述任何针对犹太人或其他人的灭绝计划。 实际上,著名的犹太复国主义者与德国政府合作,并在德国政府的最高层制定了计划,将犹太人“转移”到当时的巴勒斯坦。 灭绝绝对没有。

    国际红十字会官方统计的所有难民营“死亡”总数约为731,000,而不是“ 6万”。 实际上,第二次世界大战之前和第二次世界大战之后的人口总数表明,战争刚结束后,第二次世界大战后欧洲的犹太人口增加了……

    如果一个国家死于种族灭绝,为什么会保留记录? 为什么会在数百(如果不是数千)英里之外的“营地”建造卫生设施,住房,医疗,娱乐和其他辅助设施? 仅通过“消除”这些麻烦而不经历所有这些麻烦,难道不是一件容易的事吗? 如果目标是灭绝,他们为什么要利用有限的能源在后勤运输上投入大量精力? 事情不会“累加”……

    在整个犹太人的“大屠杀”交易中,有些“大发”。 犹太犹太复国主义者与德国政府进行“交易”以使犹太德国人的生活“不舒服”已不是什么秘密。 实际上,犹太犹太复国主义者的领导人首先提出,所有犹太人都佩戴“黄色大卫王之星”袖标,以便于识别。 德国犹太人首先认为自己是德国人,不希望移民。

    自6,000,000年代以来,与1800万人口一起建立“家园”一直是犹太复国主义者的“梦想”。 从1800年代开始,一天中的许多期刊都吹捧着“六百万”的数字。

    有什么比使“德国社会的奶油”(犹太人)困难的事更好的鼓励“移民”到异国的方式呢? 关于所谓的犹太“大屠杀™”的真相已经揭晓。 。 。

    由于一个人的火化需要数小时,因此大屠杀™发起人要求的时间是物理上,科学上和统计学上的不可能。 他们的主张也没有考虑到火葬场需要进行维护的“停机时间”等。此外,没有与“ 1950万”甚至“ XNUMX万”的主张相称的大规模埋葬地点。 犹太人禁止挖掘声称的可能的墓地。 为什么?? 因为他们不存在。 甚至还禁止使用探地雷达搜索墓地。 为什么?? 如果数以百万计的人被毒死和火化,这些活动将持续到XNUMX年代。

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    当有关这一历史事件的真相问世时,它将改变世界上许多人对将这一事件当作“摇钱树”的“摇钱树”的看法。 。 。 “没有像“ SHOAH业务”这样的业务。 在此事件中,犹太复国主义者的同谋被仔细地“掩盖”了。

    当前审查制度的一个很好的例子是等待那些敢于质疑“官方”犹太“大屠杀”正统观念的人们的命运。 大多数欧洲国家已将任何偏离“官方”犹太“大屠杀”故事的思想定为犯罪。 为什么?? 实际上,在“万物大屠杀™”方面,TRUTH并不是防御。 Ask指出二战研究员David Irving,为避免受到惩罚,他被迫撤回TRUTH。

    The latest “vicitms” of “holocaustianity ™” are Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer, both 80 plus-year-old grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for “incorrect thoughts”.

    如果人们只知道为犹太人的“大屠杀”而进行的计划(在“选择的”计划中),那将是一个庞大的大屠杀。 您会看到,犹太人的“大屠杀”对于迫使建立犹太国家是必要的。 在这种情况下,ENDS证明了MEANS的合理性。 在整个人类历史上,曾有过许多悲惨得多的“大屠杀”,但犹太人的“大屠杀™”是唯一值得一提的悲剧。 。 。 有趣的是,“大屠杀”一词在第二次世界大战期间或之后从未使用过,直到2年代才盛行,当时人们注意到“罪恶感”可以被分配,赔偿可以得到赔偿。采购。

    看一下“所谓的犹太人大屠杀™的商业化”,而方便得多的共产主义(真正)大屠杀却被人们轻易地遗忘了。 为了确保持续供应犹太人的“大屠杀™”“幸存者”,犹太人在他们的孩子和孙子上刻有他们的ATM(哎呀,我的意思是“营地”数字)。 此外,犹太心理学家提出了一个新概念,即“疾病”-“大屠杀”“移交综合症”。 您会看到,犹太人“大屠杀™”幸存者的孩子和孙子都感染了这种“疾病”,也应被视为“大屠杀™”幸存者,并有资格获得“大屠杀™”赔偿。 根据这些犹太精神病医生的说法,即使是无关的人,也可能被这种“疾病”“感染”。

    自1933年犹太复国主义犹太人向德国宣战以来(是,1933年),德国人别无选择,只能完成将犹太人边缘化的犹太复国主义计划(至少可以这样说)。这实现了犹太复国主义强迫德国犹太人移民的计划。巴勒斯坦,同时使犹太人成为世界的“故乡”-以色列。 有趣的是,德国抵制犹太人的活动持续了一天,而犹太人的抵制(实际上是犹太人对德国的宣战)始于1933年,一直持续到第二次世界大战的总和。

    犹太复国主义者在过去的6年中一直在预测犹太人的“家园”,而在相同的时间内预测731,000万的“大屠杀™”。 在欧洲行动区中,非战斗人员的实际死亡人数约为6,而不是XNUMX万(国际红十字会的官方数字)。 国际红十字会在战争期间可以全面进入所有营地,但没有报告灭绝或大屠杀的一瞬间。

    关于“大屠杀™”“奥斯威辛集中营”,所谓的“气室”的设计存在工程上的矛盾。 门不是气密设计的; 这样就不可能取回尸体,在所谓的“加气”发生之后,就没有办法使房间通风。” 有一个“气室”烟囱没有连接任何东西。 从工程的角度来看,这些都是非常严重的错误,将导致这些所谓的“气室”的“操作员”死亡。 由于德国人是优秀的工程师,因此很难观察到目前在这些“营地”中存在的明显的工程错误。

    美国执行专家弗雷德·勒赫特(Fred Leuchter)前往奥斯威辛集中营,秘密地从所谓的“毒气室”获得了样本,对其进行了测试并发表了他的结果。 除一个样本外,所有样本中均不存在普鲁士蓝(铁氰化物),这证明“气室”不存在。 从用于消毒衣物的房间中获取一个阳性样品。 实际上,所谓的“毒气室”的“烟囱”没有连接任何东西。

    洛伊克特先生因对“真相”的追求而受到了“部落”成员的专业和个人品格的暗杀。 他失去了他所有的联邦和州合同,并因马萨诸塞州一项晦涩难懂的“未经许可从事工程技术”的“法律”而受到起诉。该法律在此之前或之后从未被使用过。 。 在他的报告发表后,他被以色列“深州”类型(mossad)骚扰,他成功地“走出去”。

    毫无疑问,第二次世界大战后,苏联为了宣传目的而试图“建立”“死亡集中营”。 是的,那里有极端的匮乏和痛苦,许多人丧生。 死亡的主要原因是斑疹伤寒。 由于盟军炸弹摧毁了大部分基础设施,斑疹伤寒处于流行水平。 这就是造成大量人类死亡的原因。 。 不要放气。

    有趣的是,在营地被“盟军”“解放”之前,营地居民选择逃离德国军队,而不是被俄国“盟军”“解放”。

    据说“日光是寻找真相的最好的消毒剂”。不幸的是,这句话不适用于“大屠杀™”。 似乎有些“大屠杀™”的发起人害怕真相。 因此,那些敢于质疑这一历史事件各个方面的人将受到起诉和监禁。

    我敦促所有“大屠杀™”信徒亲自检查这些事情——如果你敢的话。 你不会喜欢你发现的……

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  172. Erebus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Actually more likely to be seen as demeaning.

    Given how much the Holocaust scholars who bring nothing to the table are feted, one would think anyone who brought incontrovertible proof would see even better treatment.

    (Have you ever been cross-examined by a \$1000s an hour top trial lawyer, in the witness box or when deposing?).

    No idea what the lawyers involved were earning, but I’ve been under cross-examination several times. No big deal if you have the facts. BTW, Douglas Christie, Zundel’s lawyer in the Toronto trial was (in)famous for taking on free speech cases, often doing so pro bono or for greatly reduced fees. He was certainly not being paid \$1000/hr.

    In any case, Hilberg did not “perform badly”, and I doubt any Holocaust historian could have done better. Quite simply, he was compelled to state in open court that his 3+ decades of research into the Holocaust had turned up zero, a conclusion he had come to himself prior to the trial.

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

    Was it so difficult that an entire ecosystem of lies had to be concocted to explain it? A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP. History is filled to overflowing with deportations and ethnic cleansings. If you’re looking for a recent case, the Nakba might come to mind.

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  173. Erebus 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “all Jews must leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews . . .”

    Some clever fellow quipped:
    “Of the 2.4M Jews under Nazi occupation, 3.8M claimed Holocaust reparations. Sadly, the remaining 6M were lost.”

    I don’t remember who that fellow was, but the Holocaust narrative’s numbers have never stacked up. What does stack up are the numbers from camp records and the Red Cross. They’re rarely mentioned, of course.

  174. @Wally

    That’s just lazy, Wally. Nowhere close to your best effort. What’s wrong?

    You are going to be dead soon and you still haven’t convinced a single person. Better get crackin’

    • 回复: @Wally
  175. Art 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    The number of Jews who were killed in the Holocaust isn’t something that I’ve ever written about. It’s not relevant to my book about the Holocaust. Furthermore, the ad-hominem comment about me, that I have “cousins” in Israel, also is false.

    The following assumes that you are among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence.

    I too do not know the number of Jews killed in WWII. It was too many – one was to many.

    But I do not believe in ovens, and lamp shades, and soap. I think Jews have lied.

    Collectively Jews used that lie to advantage in Palestine, with impunity shooting off 13 year-old boy’s legs.

    Rational good honest people assume you are responsible for this wrong doing.

    习惯它!

    认为和平—不伤害—艺术

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  176. @anarchyst

    没有一份文件概述任何针对犹太人或其他人的灭绝计划。

    咄。

    There’s no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?

    But lack of any documentation is not really your point, is it? Since plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.

    Try applying consistent reasoning to ideological issues and you won’t feel so crazy all the time.

    • 回复: @anarchyst
    , @Erebus
  177. Wally 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Please provide the original German document for this claimed ‘translation’.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
    , @Eric Zuesse
  178. Wally 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Please show us the original German language Mein Kampf which says that.

    You cannot. Your text is fraudulent.

    没有证据,没有“大屠杀”。

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

  179. @Erebus

    A rational person looks for a simpler explanation than a physically impossible process, run on an industrial scale by ESP.

    You do not define rational.

    You imply that you are rational (whatever that is) without offering any evidence.

    Me? I’m not looking for an explanation for any of this anymore than I’m looking for an explanation for why it is raining.

    History taught children will not change as a result of this thread. Thank God.

  180. bjondo 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    At 166 and 167

    Apparently Adolph changed. The blood spilled by lice not gallows nor gas nor sword.

    If your quotes are true (I doubt such but anyway), seems AH changed his mind to moving Jew elsewhere.

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    • 回复: @Art
  181. Mulegino1 说:

    This greatest lie of all time depends upon a mountain of lies, outrageous exaggerations and monstrous judicial injustices and the persecution of dissent from the false narrative. The so called factual foundations of the Holocaust legend are, as with any false narrative, almost entirely Procrustean in nature, i.e., they are made to fit around the fixed “6 million” number, which, of course, has been proven impossible.

    We know for a fact that even the downward revision of 4 million to 1.2 million victims at Auschwitz-Birkenau is a gross exaggeration, and that both the authentic camp records as well as the physical evidence indicate that no more than a little over 100,000 (of all races, religions and nationalities- and of all causes) could have died there due to the impossibility, from a technical and logistical perspective, of the testimonies of the so called “eyewitnesses.”

    We know for a fact that there are no mass graves and no massive outdoor cremations at Treblinka II, and that 800,000 Jews were not killed there with the ridiculous extermination by gassing with non-lethal diesel exhaust. (Of course 联系 it is claimed to have been internal combustion exhaust, since those who crafted the legend had no eye for such details.) There is almost literally nothing at the site of Treblinka II but cenotaphs and claims of scattered ashes- nothing like what would be found at a real “industrial scale mass murder” site.

    Ditto for Sobibor, Majdanek and the rest of the so called “extermination camps.”

    Remember when it was all about Bergen Belsen and Dachau? Funny how, over the years, the “extermination legend” migrated eastward behind the Iron Curtain.

    Remember how it was Jews thrown into ovens and Jewish babies supposedly dumped into burning pits? Then it became “death by gassing in “fake’” showers. Then it became a “Holocaust by bullets” on the Eastern Front.

    The “Holocaust” legend cannot be falsified because it refuses to submit to empirical exaggeration and cloaks itself in the mantle of pseudo-religious and pseud0-mystical language. Once it is reduced to merely factual and empirical level, it crumbles.

    There was never any plan by Hitler, Himmler, the National Socialist state or the German people to murder all of the Jews of Europe. The issue was to remove the Jews from Germany through emigration and, if necessary, by forceful resettlement, which is why the Madagascar Plan was envisioned. Once the war started, the plan had to be modified to suit the needs of Germany at war with most of the industrialized nations of the earth, so many Jews were conscripted for labor and interned, just like American citizens of Japanese descent. The United States hinterlands were not seriously affected at all by the war, but Germany was literally destroyed by it. It is quite logical to suppose that those interned in the camps were also victims of war, in particular the Allied bombing offensives. How many alleged “victims of the evil Germans” were actually killed by the Allied air offensive or the Red Army?

    The Luther Memorandum from the German Foreign Ministry of August, 1942 stated unambiguously, inter alia: “…after the war, the Jews will have to leave Europe. This is the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer…” If the Jews would have to leave Europe after the war, then it is clear that there was no program of industrial scale mass murder being applied to them.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  182. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Eric Zuesse

    With this very thing in mind I scanned the revolutionary events of history and put the question to myself against which racial element in Germany can I unleash my propaganda of hate with the greatest prospects of success? I had to find the right kind of victim, and especially one against whom the struggle would make sense, materially speaking. I can assure you that I examined every possible and thinkable solution to this problem, and, weighing every imaginable factor, I came to the conclusion that a campaign against the Jews would be as popular as it would be successful.[4]

    Thus, according to this, Hitler allegedly confessed that his anti-Semitism was mostly faked and simply a propaganda method used in order to gain power, which is an unusual view and seldom mentioned by those who selectively quote only the first quote as alleged evidence of Hitler’s early, murderously intended anti-Semitism.

    Also less often mentioned is that Josef Hell wrote down the alleged quote in its present form only in 1945, more than twenty years later.[5] It is thus not a text published long before the Holocaust but only after the occurrence of widespread Allied atrocity propaganda. Even if assuming no deliberate fabrication by Josef Hell, he is arguably an unreliable source considering the unreliable and easily influenced human memory.

    Furthermore, Josef Hell was a journalist who worked with Fritz Gerlich, a major opponent of Hitler and the editor of the anti-National Socialist newspaper Der Gerade Weg. Gerlich was arrested and later killed during the Night of the Long Knives. Josef Hell was thus no impartial witness and may have fabricated the quote or parts of it.

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Alleged_statements_by_Hitler_on_the_Holocaust#Josef_Hell_interview 存档的链接: http://archive.is/qHa5F

    还有这个:

    Hitler’s Table Talk, October 1941

    “From the rostrum of the Reichstag, I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war’s proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe. That race of criminals has on its conscience the two million dead of the First World War, and now already hundreds and thousands more. Let nobody tell me that all the same we can’t park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who’s worrying about our troops? It’s not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumor attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing.” (quoted in John Toland, Adolf Hitler. London: Book Club Associates, 1977, p.702-3)

    https://phdn.org/archives/www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm

    I personally interpret this statement as implying that there is no intention to physically exterminate Jews (or only to a very limited extent), but, by way of rumor, to terrorize them (not a good and kind thing to subject someone to either, of course) and to strike fear and terror into their hearts and souls through this “public rumor”, and thus to encourage Jews to “self-deport”, see a similar principle/strategy applied in “Operation Wetback”

    This included many illegal immigrants who fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback#Implementation_and_tactics

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  183. anon[107]• 免责声明 说:
    @Colin Wright

    It happened. In 1939, there were 9.5 million Jews in Europe; in 1945 there were 3.8 million. 5.7 million Jews vanished. Where did they go?

    5.7 million Jews had Jewish mothers-in-law.

    What would you do if you had a Jewish mil and a situation of chaos enabling you to disappear & start a new life — no alimony, no child support, no lawyers, therapists, rabbis haranguing you — you’re 18 again and the world is your oyster K

  184. anon[107]• 免责声明 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Are you making this up as you go along or is it based on evidence? If the latter, put it on the table

  185. Karl 说:
    @Myname

    55 Myname > It also doesn’t make sense for the Germans to waste energy in transportation of Jews

    you’re correct – but the decision was made by the same people who felt that invading Russia was sensible

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Wizard of Oz
  186. Wally 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    Your dodged my point, which was:

    No sources, just a Zionist talking. Which generally means lying.

    So where are the sources?

    http://www.codoh.com

  187. Alden 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Censuses are done every 10 years. So there would have been no censuses done in 1945 especially as the allies had invaded the continent, the Russians on their way to Germany and the worst fighting was going on.

    If you’re citing a Jewish source, it’s most probably a lie.

  188. Anonymous[255]• 免责声明 说:

    The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey and defeating Armenian Genocide resolutions in Congress.

    The author does not mention any of this. I wonder what he thinks.

    • 回复: @Karl
  189. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Here are real documents, real history for panicked Momus, everyone else read the entire post below and learn:
    “帝国部长拉默斯先生告诉我,元首一再向他声明,他想听到 the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers’ opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party.”

    文档的来源。 施莱格尔伯格关于拉默提及希特勒裁决的未注明日期的记录在德国联邦档案馆 (BA) 文件 R.22/52 中。 它被送到了 Staatssekretär Freisler 和另外两名官员(左下)。 This document has been published in facsimile in David Irving’s books Hitler’s War, Goebbels. Mastermind of the Third Reich, and Nuremberg, the Last Battle. It was definitely dated March or April 1942. Lammers was in Berlin on April 26, 1942. See Scheel’s report on a talk between Lammers and Meissner after the final session that day (T175/139/7479 et seq.)
    in support of the Schlegelberger Document see the Luther Memorandum:
    http://www.codoh.com/library/document/154/

    Hitler, the ‘Final Solution,’ and the Luther Memorandum
    A Response to Evans and Longerich
    摘抄:
    “在26年1941月XNUMX日德国外交大臣举行招待会之际,保加利亚外交大臣波普夫谈到了对欧洲民族犹太人实行同样待遇的问题,并指出了保加利亚人在应用犹太人方面遇到的困难。外国犹太人的法律。”

    “The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @kikl
  190. Karl 说:
    @MrB

    90 MrB > The Palestinian holocaust is in full view of the world and cannot be doubted

    there are scores of UN bureaucrats making good salaries in Gaza, assisting the Palestinians to breed like rabbits.

    That’s no holocaust.

    The Rohingya would cut your head off to get as well taken care of as the people in Gaza are.

    PS: Gaza belongs to the Copts. It will someday be returned to them.

  191. Art 说:
    @bjondo

    Hard to change Jew belief in FINAL SOLUTIONS. Brainwashed from pre womb unto death.

    Tribal Jews are child abusers – they abuse their children!

    It is traumatic to young minds to hear that everyone wants to kill then, over and over and over. That is what little Jews hear from a very young age. It is clear that they can never recover. In time, they do the same thing to their children.

    This has been going on for thousands of years. That is the Jew culture.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    • 回复: @Wally
  192. @Art

    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/opinion-is-israel-americas-friend-or-americas-enemy.html
    I said: “Netanyahu has proven by actions, not mere words, that Israel is America’s enemy, refusing to do even what Israel had signed an American-sponsored accord in 1978 promising to do — and, now, at last, installing a government that is deeply committed to never complying with it.” How much more clearly could any American author express condemnation of Israel? I also said there: “The very idea of dual-citizenship, especially for a government official, is repugnant in any real democracy. Certainly, there ought to be a requirement for all individuals who are employed by the U.S. Government or by any U.S. Government contractor, to publicly renounce any other citizenship before being hired. That’s just basic. But, in any case, now that we know that Israel is an outright enemy of the United States, the public should be demanding the U.S. President and Congress to side with the Palestinians against Israel.”

    In http://washingtonsblog.com/2016/09/u-s-govt-donate-38b-enemy-nation.html
    I noted that “On 8 June 1967, Israel intentionally attacked and sank the USS Liberty, slaughtering 34 of our sailors, and injuring another 172.” I documented the official cover-up.

    To judge from the responses to the present article, most of the commenters here aren’t anti-Israelis (as I am, because it’s an apartheid regime run by Jewish nazis some of whom are even blatant about their nazism, their racist fascism) but they are anti-Jews, simply bigots (like those Israelis are, but against different targets). Almost all of the reader-comments here are blatantly irrelevant to my article — the evidence and argument — that they’re pretending to be commenting upon. Irrelevant, and that’s shocking, but that’s most of them. That is simply pathetic. I didn’t expect it.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Wizard of Oz
  193. Skeptikal 说:
    @anon

    Making up what?
    Gleichschaltung?
    极权主义?
    SS was in charge of the concentration camps?

    You sound very ignorant and very silly.

  194. Karl 说:
    @Art

    170 Art > “I took my slingshot with me,”

    the kid was not hunting for food

    who will Art applaud next – Salvadoran gang members who climb the border fence in Texas?

    • 回复: @Art
  195. L.K 说:

    Absolute garbage this article.

    For people who are well informed, the piece is actually utterly cringeworthy.
    Even professional holohoax “historians” would be embarassad..

    But then again, no surprises there; this Eric Zuesse individual had the nerve to tell us in the comment section under another article, that in order to disabuse ourselves from Irving and evil “deniers”, we should watch the 2016 movie Denial, based on Deborah Lipstadt’s book, a useless Zionist charlatan! A movie!!!

    What a clown this guy is!

    Not to mention that he writes that 9/11 really was an inside job, but a Bush/Cheney/Saudi op, Israel had nothing to do with it!

    Eric Zuesse == Disinformation agent, controlled opposition, charlatan.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  196. Thomm 说:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    That is a lot of words in which to say nothing.

    Remember that you are an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. That is why you will never come to terms with the fact that you are not part of the functional white race, but rather a member of the defective subrace where genetic waste matter is quarantined off. The men of this race become WN wiggers like you, and the women become fat bluehaired feminists.

    Odds are overwhelming that you are black, that you feel inferior about yourself and your own race, and that those feelings have manifested as envious hatred towards the whites you come here to vent at

    Thanks for proving that you have the reading comprehension expected of a 70-IQ wigger such as yourself. I endlessly praise the other 80% of whites (my group), while aiming to make sure that the defective group (you) can’t mooch off of us.

    White Trashionalism is just an appeal for intra-white socialism. You want to mooch off of successful whites like me because of your own total failure at all levels. Not a chance.

    滚下我的草坪,老兄!

    • 回复: @Josecanuc
  197. Wally 说:
    @Art

    “我欠我提交针对犹太复国主义的犹太复国主义计划的许可。 犹太问题的最终解决方案设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    –“政治犹太复国主义之父”西奥多·赫兹(Theodor Herzl),写给沙皇的信,22年1899月XNUMX日。

  198. Skeptikal 说:
    @anon

    Here is a good article on the SS and the economic function of the concentration camps:
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007399

    Of course, Jews and others were killed outside of concentration camps.
    Many of them by Einsatzgruppen.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Them Guys
  199. Mulegino1 说:
    @Mulegino1

    That should read: “empirical examination…”

  200. Skeptikal 说:
    @anon

    Here is an article that explains the evolution of “solutions” to the Jewish question and the phase during which Jews were incarcerated in camps with the aim of getting them to emigrate (and leave their assets behind), which I referenced and which I have read about in a number of memoirs.
    https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007403

    Not to mention that I know of some of these issues from my own family history.
    HTH, Ignoramus Anon.
    No, go out and educate your own little self.

  201. Karl 说:
    @Anonymous

    193 Anonymous[255] > The leading Jewish American groups and Israel have always been complicit with Turkey in denying the Armenian Genocide committed by Turkey

    there’s no denial. There are decisions to not run one’s mouth

  202. @Wally

    I translated these from the German in the German National Library’s official publication. I might still have somewhere the original German version, but not ready-at-hand now. Where reliable English translations existed, I cited the source as in that English source, but some were speeches etc. that aren’t in any of the English-language-translated collections.

    • 回复: @Wally
  203. L.K 说:
    @Karl

    Your statement reveals your complete ignorance of the subject.

    In view of the actual facts, as opposed to cheap war propaganda, the decision of the National Socialist regime to attack the Soviet Union was indeed, sensible.
    Many historians, including many Russians, have reached that conclusion.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-when-stalin-almost-conquered-europe/

    Under the comments, my post #527, discusses the motives that led to Operation Barbarossa, more or less in chronological order.

  204. @anonymous

    “were they transported to “death camps” and killed in gas chambers?”

    Sorry, but if some of it is a lie then all of it is a lie. Were there some truth to your statement there would be no need for embellishment with stories of lampshades and soap made from victims.

    • 回复: @ANON
  205. Wally 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Zuesse wrote:

    Hitler in his Secret Conversations (Table-Talk) addressed Himmler sarcastically about the matter, Himmler understood very well what he meant by saying of his policy toward the Jews, “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination.”

    除了希特勒从来没有这么说过。

    Zionist Zuesse steps on yet another landmine, highly recommended:

    希特勒的“餐桌谈话”:学术欺诈和丑闻研究
    by Veronica Clark
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4880

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  206. L.K 说:
    @ltravail

    ltravail says:

    This critique of David Irving’s work is more like the work of a journalistic mercenary than of an honestly objective intellect.

    Yep, It’s basically character assassination.

  207. Wally 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Why should we believe you? A Zionist with an agenda.

    Can’t show the alleged documents? Then there were no such documents.

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that there are documents which assist their case, but then could not produce the claimed documents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    Rather like:

    法庭上的“Holocau\$t Industry”:
    “请尊敬,确实有数以百万计的遗骸被埋在巨大的万人坑中,我们知道今天的万人坑在哪里,但是,但是,嗯,我们无法向法院展示这些人的遗骸。 您必须相信我们,我们是犹太复国主义者。

    http://www.codoh.com

  208. anarchyst 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    refute anything I have stated…trouble is, you can’t. Stop drinking the holocaustianity ™ kool-aid and see the world as it is…

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  209. Caruthers 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    希特勒按照我的命令告诉记者要给他留下深刻印象,这样他才能理解希特勒的目的,但他没有告诉他的上尉,这样他们才能理解他的目的,从而更好地实现它们?

    • 哈哈: utu
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Eric Zuesse
  210. utu 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    Why you did not cite the exact sentence? There are many instances where “elimination” (15), “bloody” (22) and “by the sword” (3) are used in Mein Kampf in many different contexts but never together.

    First I thought your were just a kook but you are much worse. You are a dishonest manipulator with zero integrity. Nobody will touch any of your kooky books.

  211. tac 说:

    A weak and pedestrian attempt at a rebuttal by a mediocre author, at best, who no doubtedly sprang into action when a ransom was offered by the equally shameless Holocau\$\$\$t mediocrity of peddlers. A mere recital of nitpicking and past assertions that fall to the wayside…An epic display of mediocrity that was seemingly a salvo of flatulence aimless in the aftermath. Research takes hard work and dedication, none of which is even hinted at by this ‘showpiece’.

    Now to the subject matter by people whose lives have been ruined, at the mere temerity of attempting to question the ‘legend’ — in its lustre as ensconced in recent depictions:

    If you care to look at the so-called homicidal gas chambers stories we’ve been told dispassionately and with a logical and scientific approach then I would recommend starting off with Germar Rudolf’s refutation given here (especially paying close attention to the time frame from 11:00-42)

    Accounts with subtitles from Polish testimonials on the narratives we’ve been told):
    https://wolna-polska.pl/wiadomosci/why-jews-are-afraid-of-the-truth-historical-truth-by-ph-d-ewa-kurek-english-subtitles-2018-02

    “However, in late 2005, Rudolf—now a peace activist and publisher—was kidnapped by the U.S. government and deported to Germany to face charges of “holocaust denial.” There he was put on trial for his historical writings. During this trial his defense lawyers were prohibited under the threat of prosecution from filing motions in support of Rudolf’s historical views.
    All motions filed by Rudolf’s defense team directed at proving that his writings are scientific in nature and are therefore protected by the German constitution were rejected by the court. Academics willing to confirm as expert witnesses the scholarly nature of Rudolf’s writings were barred from testifying

    …He proved that his writings undoubtedly qualified. He demonstrated moreover why the German laws designed to suppress peaceful dissidents are unconstitutional and in violation of human rights. Furthermore he explained in detail why it is everyone’s obligation to resist in a non-violent way a state which throws peaceful dissidents into dungeons.”

    https://barnesreview.org/product/resistance-is-obligatory-address-to-the-mannheim-district-court-15-november-2006-to-29-january-2007/

    Shameful liar Simon Wiesenthal:
    https://barnesreview.org/simon-wiesenthal-lied-and-admitted-it-says-top-israeli-holocaust-historian/

    • 回复: @tac
    , @Wally
  212. Art 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    This is in response to “Art”s assumption that I am “among the 95% of US Jews who support Israel’s existence” — and that’s two false assumptions about me, not merely one.

    It appears that I have made a mistake about you and Israel. You are not responsible for the Palestinian boy’s lose of his leg.

    I am sorry – I apologize — please forgive me — Art

  213. tac 说:
    @tac

    Germar Rudolf’s video did not post in my previous video with timeframe…so please refer to it here:

  214. Wally 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    说过:
    “… that many Jews died from various German actions (mass shootings in the course of anti-partisan activity or deportations) in no way supports the claims of an extermination program, nor does it make credible the absurd eyewitness accounts of places like Treblinka.”

    The Fraudulent ‘holocau\$t’ Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits, so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    就是它:
    100个20,000个坟墓?
    200个10,000个坟墓?
    400个5,000个坟墓?
    500个4,000个坟墓?
    1000个2000个坟墓?
    2000个1000个坟墓?

    前Einsatzgruppen成员拒绝大规模射击的怪异主张/ Babi Yar等

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

    !! 挖掘结果:巴比亚尔没有据称的巨大人类遗骸!! … 的
    课程

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

    Babi Yar 在涉嫌行动的确切时间的天线:nothing happening

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  215. Wally 说:
    @tac

    http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
    Gas Van 电影和照片欺诈
    德国新闻杂志和西蒙维森塔尔中心的博物馆发现伪造的照片和电影字幕

    圣地亚哥·阿尔瓦雷斯

    另请参阅:
    大屠杀手册,纪录片和视频
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    http://www.codoh.com

  216. utu 说:
    @Caruthers

    绝密。 报纸上有详细介绍。

  217. tac 说:

    Examine some of these ‘photos’ introduced as evidence of the holocau\$\$\$t:

    do they seem real or a collage of disparate pieces–pay especially close attention to the lighting in (east-west & north-south) hemispheres of the presented pieces of evidence–do they seem realistic in sense of photography (lighting, scale, shadows, proportion-in-size of all those’photographed’, body posture, landscape, curvature, distortions-of-human-body-form, surrounding contours both in human AND landscape ‘reality’?):

    http://www.heretical.com/walendy/p3steps.html

    http://www.heretical.com/walendy/fakes.html

  218. Wally 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Zuesse, you are trying nothing that hasn’t been tried before, many, many times.

    至少从 6,000,000 年起,犹太人就一直在宣扬“1823”的谎言:

    6万?


    和:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ is the message.
    “对讨厌真相的人来说真相是讨厌的。”
    http://www.codoh.com

  219. Art 说:
    @Karl

    170 Art > “I took my slingshot with me,”

    the kid was not hunting for food

    The 13 year-old boy had a slingshot — the Jew shot his leg off with a rifle with an explosive bullet.

    And YOU blame the boy — Shame shame!

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Maintain Hope, Love, Truth, & Idealism — Art

    • 回复: @Karl
  220. ‘…Just take a glimpse at all the interviews Spielberg nixed from his Holohoax documentary for not being in line with his false narrative, despite coming from actual Jews in the camps…’

    It’s neither here nor there, but we 时刻 do this with the past.

    The past is actually kind of a random walk, without much purpose or even coherence. We come along later, and to make sense of it all, impose a narrative and then select only the evidence that fits that narrative. If Spielberg does it as well, he’s hardly unique. I would assume that some Jews didn’t have the usual horrific experiences, or whatever. That’s the way reality is. It doesn’t stick to the script.

  221. @OilcanFloyd

    If I were a Jew, especially in the US, I might be thinking seriously of collective self-defence when I read something like that from one of the other 97 per cent of Americans.

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  222. Anyway, this thread keeps turning into ‘did the Holocaust happen?’

    With all due respect to the Holocaust deniers, the question is not whether it did, but rather, to what extent was Hitler aware of it, ordered it, etc.

    I find that intriguing, and it’d be nice to see some discussion of it. The problem with Holocaust denial is that it makes nonsense of the whole question. How could Hitler have been aware of something that didn’t take place?

    So maybe the Holocaust deniers should just be quiet. Think of yourselves as atheists. Let us Christians contemplate the mysteries of the Trinity — even if you think the whole question is silly.

  223. Erebus 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    There’s no document for capitalism or economics or the Vietnam War either. Did they also not happen?… plenty of well-documented things like the moon-landing and 9/11 are denied by you as well.

    In the 1st place there’s mountains of documents on capitalism, economics and the Vietnam War. Some, such as 五角大楼文件 are notorious. In the 2nd place, “well-documented” does not have the same meaning as having been “written about and disseminated by lots of people.” In fact, the latter is an oft-used strategy to hide a lack of the former.

    As you’re “… not looking for an explanation for any of this anymore than I’m looking for an explanation for why it is raining.” (@183) one wonders why you’re here complaining that the explanations aren’t satisfactory. Incurious persons usually avoid such discussions, preferring to not look for explanations quietly by themselves.

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  224. Momus 说:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Apart from crying, what are you going to do about it?

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
    , @renfro
    , @Wally
  225. SomeGuy 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    “然而,在阅读了到目前为止的读者评论(评论#46)后,我注意到没有人提到我在本文中提出的关键引文,即“在他的秘密对话(表谈话)中” 21 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日,希特勒结束了他对犹太人的长篇大论:“通过消灭这种害虫,我们将为人类服务……”,这应该可以解决希特勒是否为他“消灭”犹太人而感到自豪的问题……”

    我会咬的。 以下是我在 Cameron & Stevens 的第三版 Table Talk 中找到的 15 条语句的列表:

    1. 17 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日:“至于当地人,我们必须仔细筛选他们。 犹太人,那个毁灭者,我们要赶出去。”
    – 强制搬迁。

    2. 21 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日“在过去,图书馆遭到破坏。 这不是发生在俄罗斯的事情吗? 结果:可怕的平层。 世界难道没有看到,一直延续到中世纪,同样古老的殉道者、酷刑和同性恋制度吗? 过去,它是以基督教的名义。 今天,它是以布尔什维克主义的名义。 昨天的煽动者是扫罗:今天的煽动者是马尔多柴。 扫罗变成了圣保罗,马尔多柴变成了卡尔·马克思。 通过消灭这种害虫,我们将为人类提供我们的士兵无法想象的服务。”
    ——这里的“ausrotten”是什么意思不清楚,但杀戮是一种似是而非的解释。

    3. 25 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日:“我在国会大厦的讲台上向犹太人预言,如果战争不可避免,犹太人将从欧洲消失......。 没人告诉我,我们不能把它们停在俄罗斯的沼泽地区! 谁在担心我们的军队? 顺便说一句,公开谣言将灭绝犹太人的计划归咎于我们,这不是一个坏主意。 恐怖是一件有益的事情。
    建立犹太国家的尝试将失败。
    ...
    我有无数的账要结算,我今天想都不敢想。 但这并不意味着我忘记了他们。 我把它们写下来。 是时候拿出大书了! 即使是关于犹太人,我发现自己仍然不活跃。 毫无意义地增加当前的困难是没有意义的。 一个人在等待时机时表现得更加精明。 . . . 当我读到像盖伦这样的人的演讲时,我提醒自己管理针刺是没有意义的,
    就目前而言,最好保持沉默。 为什么有人应该怀疑我们机芯的耐用性? 如果我反思它会持续几个世纪,那么我
    可以让自己享受等待的奢侈。”

    – 强制搬迁。 这里的“ausrotten”似乎确实是“töten”或其他强制搬迁的意思,但他说这是一个看似虚假的谣言,紧接在“建立犹太国家的尝试将失败”之前。 目前尚不清楚这意味着什么。 后来,他指出,将来有时间时,他将与犹太人 [和教会] 算账。

    4. 5 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日:“战争结束将见证犹太人的最后毁灭。 犹太人是利己主义的化身。 他们的利己主义走得太远,以至于他们甚至无法为捍卫自己最重要的利益而冒生命危险…… 把犹太人放在一起:三百年后,他们会互相吞噬”
    – 强制搬迁。

    5. 19 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日:“如今一些资产阶级以犹太人必须离开德国为借口而沉迷于其中的这种嗤之以鼻,正是这些比你更神圣的人的典型”
    – 强制搬迁。

    6. 6 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“经验告诉我们,每次灾难后都会找到替罪羊。 在英国,可能是犹太人。 但让他们自己解决。 在别国解决犹太人问题不是我们的使命!”
    – 只关心德国犹太人。

    7. 22 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“再过三四百年,犹太人才会再次踏上欧洲”
    – 强制搬迁。 (不然他们怎么回来?)

    8. 23 年 1942 月 1830 日:“犹太人必须离开欧洲。 否则,欧洲人之间就不可能达成谅解。 阻止一切的是犹太人。 当我想到它时,我意识到我非常人性化。 在教皇统治时期,犹太人在罗马受到虐待。 直到 XNUMX 年,每年有八名犹太人骑着驴穿过罗马的街道。 就我而言,我限制自己告诉他们他们必须离开。 如果他们在旅途中弄坏了管道,我也无能为力。 但如果他们拒绝自愿前往,我认为除了灭绝之外别无他法。 为什么我要从其他角度看一个犹太人,而不是他是俄罗斯战俘?”
    – 鼓励搬迁(“自愿去”)。 这里的“ausrotten”是模棱两可的。 这可能意味着杀戮或强制移除。 与俄罗斯战俘的类比,一半或他们被饿死或死于疾病,肯定会暗示残酷的待遇。

    9. 27 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“犹太人必须收拾行装,从欧洲消失。 让他们去俄罗斯。 在犹太人被关注的地方,我没有任何怜悯之心。 它们将永远是使人们相互对抗的发酵剂。”
    – 强制搬迁。

    10. 3 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:所以犹太人拍了拍他的大腿,看看他的恶魔策略是如何成功的。 他牢记,如果他的受害者突然意识到这些事情,所有犹太人都会被灭绝。 但是,这一次,犹太人将从欧洲消失。 当这个重量不再压在它的肩膀上时,世界将自由呼吸并恢复快乐感。”
    – 模棱两可(“会消失”)。

    11. 22 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:犹太病毒的发现是世界上发生的最伟大的革命之一。 我们今天所参与的战斗与上个世纪巴斯德和科赫所进行的战斗属于同一类型。 有多少疾病起源于犹太病毒! 如果日本对犹太人保持开放,它也会受到污染。 只有消灭犹太人,我们才能恢复健康。 万事皆有因,没有什么是偶然的。”
    – 不清楚,因为问题是关于“ausrotten”的含义。 然而,与病原体的类比将暗示democide。

    12. 20 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“事实上,犹太教,这种必须不惜一切代价废除的精神堕落形式,使价格的确定取决于供求规律——也就是说,与文章的内在价值无关。 通过创建警告清空者制度,犹太人为他的流氓行为建立了法律基础。 因此,在过去的两个世纪中,除了极少数例外,我们的商业已被拖到如此程度,以至于绝对有必要采取补救措施。 第一个条件是必要的:消灭犹太人。”
    – 不清楚(“废除”)。

    13. 15 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“当我们将几个犹太人运送到东方时,那些嚎叫的人没有想到犹太人是寄生虫,因此是唯一能够适应任何气候和环境的人。在拉普兰和在热带地区一样谋生。 在我们的小资产者中,有不少人喜欢阅读他们的圣经。 但他们似乎不知道,根据旧约,犹太人在沙漠中逗留和过红海同样轻松地幸存下来。”
    – 强制搬迁。

    14. 4 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“就我们而言,我们已经成功地将犹太人从我们中间赶走了,并将基督教排除在我们的政治生活之外……我们的上层阶级,他们从来没有为成千上万的德国人烦恼过。移民或他们的贫困,让位于对我们声称有权驱逐的犹太人的命运的同情。 我们的同胞太容易忘记犹太人在世界各地都有同伙,在适应气候方面没有任何生物有更大的抵抗力。 犹太人可以在任何地方繁荣昌盛,甚至在拉普兰和西伯利亚。”
    – 强制搬迁。

    15. 15 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日:“在历史进程中,犹太人经常变得过于自以为是,并且已经过度利用他所暗示的国家。 而有关国家,他掠夺的受害者,一个接一个地见证了他们在犹太人手中所遭受的破坏; 然后,每个国家都以自己的方式并在机会出现时尝试解决因犹太人的存在而引起的问题。 我们刚刚阅读的电报显示,土耳其人正在以多快的速度解决问题。”
    – 指历史上对犹太人的驱逐。

    在这 15 份我们希望希特勒坦率的机密声明中,有 13 份提出了某种解决方案(不包括 #6 和 #15)。 在这 13 人中,有 9 人明确表达了自愿 (1) 或被迫搬迁 (8) 的愿望。 在剩下的 4 个中,2 个是神秘的(#9 犹太人“将从欧洲消失”,
    #11 “第一个条件是必要的:消灭犹太人”)并且与强制搬迁或杀戮一致。 这在 2-1941 年的数百个和 1944 个中留下了 13 个关于犹太人的陈述,专门讨论了可以被解释为身体杀戮的行为:

    #2 “今天,它是以布尔什维克主义的名义。 昨天的煽动者是扫罗:今天的煽动者是马尔多柴。 扫罗变成了圣保罗,马尔多柴变成了卡尔·马克思。 通过[清除/铲除/摧毁/杀死]这种害虫,我们将为人类提供一项我们的士兵不知道的服务。”
    #10 “如果日本对犹太人保持开放,它也会受到污染。 只有通过[清除/铲除/摧毁/杀死]犹太人,我们才能恢复健康。 万事皆有因,没有什么是偶然的。”

    使用的术语是“ausrotten”。 它可以表示“消灭”[“töten”]、“消灭”[beseitigen]、“消灭”[gänzlich beseitigen]、“清除”[ausmerzen]、“清除”[säubern]、根除out [“Wurzeln ausreißen”] 等。关于物理破坏的确切意图尚不清楚——意图是你的全部重点!

    在 Table Talk 中,我们被告知布尔什维克主义“必须[ausrotten]”,基督徒 [er rottete aus] 以爱的名义反对它,“意大利的共产主义者将拥有“[ausrotten]”贵族”,我们应该“ [ausrotten] [宗教的] 谎言”,神职人员会被西班牙神职人员 [ausrotten],解决社会问题的三种方式之一是“无产阶级 [ausrotten] 有产阶级”等。一些用法的意思是“身体上的杀戮”,有些用法不是这个意思,而是“根除”(在不确定的英语意义上)。

    所以,不,这两个引文的含义问题还没有解决。 但让我问一下,如果希特勒的目标实际上是肉体上的杀戮,那么为什么希特勒在他的秘密讨论中如此频繁地讨论重新安置犹​​太人。 他一直在改变主意吗? 还是他不想让他的纳粹同胞知道他的真实意图?

    与希尔特 3 年的秘密谈话相比,我在一周内在典型的好评论部​​分看到了更明确的表达,呃,“处理问题”。 我希望有更明确的东西。

    ...

    我同意其他评论者的意见。 Zuesse 非常有选择性地引用了 Table Talk,他对 Adolf Eichmann 的审前审讯陈述的歪曲——Jochen von Lang 的“Eichmann Interrogated”被欺骗性地转变为:“在 [Eichmann's] 1983 年的“Eichmann Interrogated”中,以及他的循环推理(即希特勒一定一直想杀死犹太人,否则他就不会在杀死犹太人上花费重要的战争资源),再加上他对人身攻击和被动侵略性抹黑的依赖——让我相信什么都做不了。

    顺便说一下,我建议这里的每个人都阅读Table Talk。 它现在在互联网档案馆。 有一些非常有趣的观察。

  226. @Eric Zuesse

    Can your book be found online? If not Amazon maybe in Ron Unz’s archive? You could relieve him of any Copyright problems he might forsee.

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  227. kikl 说:
    @Wally

    Great post wally. I already referred to the famous Lammers quote that Adolf Hitler said the final solution should be put on the back burner. So far Zuesse hasn’t responded to this evidence.

    The fact of the matter is that the evidence for a Hitler command to exterminate the jews is ambiguous. We have clear evidence against such a decision and less clear evidence for such a decision – Himmler’s infamous Posen speeches.

  228. @utu

    There is no mention of genocide in Mein Kampf at all
    Jews are called parasites.
    This also was, in my opinion, the basis of the Madagaskar plan.
    Deporting all jews to Madagaskar, where they would have to look after themselves.

  229. @Skeptikal

    Einsatzgruppen。
    阅读
    亚瑟·布茨(Arthur R. Butz),“二十世纪的骗局,反对欧洲犹太人被假定灭绝的案件”,科斯塔·梅萨(Costa Mesa),1977年,1989年
    on how the ‘testimonies’ of twelve presumed former members of these Gruppen were obtained,

    莱昂·波利亚科夫,'Bréviaire de la Haine,Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs',1951 年,1974 年,巴黎
    on the miracles these Gruppen performed.

  230. @SolontoCroesus

    Indeed, the present situation in the USA resembles, in my opinion, the Weimar Republic

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  231. @renfro

    Ernest Hanfstaengel was wrong.
    See the statistics in
    Ismar Schorsch,“犹太人对德国反犹太主义的反应,1870年-1914年”,纽约,1972年

  232. @Eric Zuesse

    你读过了吗
    Otto Wagener, ‘Hitler aus nächster Nähe, Aufzeichnungen eines Vertrauten 1929-1932, Hrsg. Henry A. Turner’, 1987, Kiel, ISBN 3-88741-129-3 ?
    In my opinion the best book on what Hitler thought

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  233. @utu

    The following book by French authors strongly suggests that the Paris murder was a deliberate provocation
    Renéd'Argile等人,1958年,威斯巴登市的Das Geheimnis um die Urschen des Zweiten Weltkrieges(Les OriginalsSecrêtesde la Guerre,1939年-1945年,巴黎1958年)。

  234. @Eric Zuesse

    ” his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, ”
    There exist grave doubts about the truth of these conversations

  235. @Erebus

    Hillberg, ‘already’ on page 300 or so one reads that Auschwitz was a big industrial centre
    劳尔·希尔伯格(Raul Hilberg),《欧洲犹太人的毁灭》,学生版,提内克,1985年
    I invite anyone to read it, I’d say no better holocaust debunking than this book.

  236. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    批评家 沃利 是正确的 https://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/#comment-2375601 英语 Table Talks translation is not very accurate; following the German original passage of the English Table Talks excerpt I quoted above. There is no mention of a “public rumor” in the German original nor of “marshy parts of Russia”, and this original German passage actually makes Hitler seem 更多 homicidally intentioned towards Jews than the English version conveys:

    元首广场
    25. 10. 1941, abends
    Gäste: RFSS Himmler
    Obergruppenführer Heydrich 119
    H/Fu.
    Vor dem Reichstag habe ich dem Judentum prophezeit,120 der Jude werde aus Europa
    verschwinden, wenn der Krieg nicht vermieden bleibt. Diese Verbrecherrasse hat die zwei 85
    Millionen Toten des Weltkrieges auf dem Gewissen, jetzt wieder Hunderttausende. Sage mir
    keiner: Wir können sie doch nicht in den Morast schicken! Wer kümmert sich denn um unsere
    Menschen? Es ist gut, wenn uns der Schrecken vorangeht, daß wir das Judentum ausrotten.
    Der Versuch, einen Judenstaat zu gründen, wird ein Fehlschlag sein.

    –第84-85页 http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/deutsch/Adolf%20Hitler%20-%20Monologe%20im%20Fuehrerhauptquartier%201941-1944.pdf

    Here is a better and more accurate translation:

    16.4 On 25 October Hitler made the following remark at his table talk, after he had once again made mention of his “prophecy” of 30 January 1939:

    This criminal race has the two million dead from the World War on its conscience, now again hundreds of thousands. No one can say to me: we can’t send them in the morass! Who then cares about our people? It is good if the terror we are exterminating Jewry goes before us.149

    https://www.hdot.org/longrole/#longRole16.4_n149

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  237. ANON[240]• 免责声明 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Your peroration is a rhetorical flourish as dopey as “were there some truth to the idea that Germany breached its treaty obligations and invaded neutral Belgium there would be no need for embellishment with tales of German Schrecklichkeit like skewering babies with bayonets”.

    As for “if some of it is a lie then all of it is a lie” I can only ask if you have invented a new school of logic.

  238. Anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    He seems to be one of the best informed people on this thread. You, correspondingly must be pig ignorant.

  239. Mr Zuesse
    as far as I can see you carefully avoid answering me.
    Must be difficult, having written a book about why something happened that never happened.

    Let me be clear, there is no doubt whatsoever that jews were persecuted, deported, and died after deportation.
    My country, the Netherlands, a good example.
    We had about 120.000 jews, of which 20.000 recent refugees, the last categorie to a large extent went into hiding.
    The 100.000 were deported, about 5.000 survived.
    The question is how they died, and if there was any intention that they should die.
    Murdering jews did happen, by Poles and Lithuanians.
    The why by the Lithuanians, clear to me, jews controlled economic life.

    In my view, based on dozens of books about these persecutions, camp life etc., the majority died because the camps had autonomous self management.
    This management, some 25 % of those in the camps, ate well, according to Rassinier up to 3500 kcal a day, Wiesel does not give numbers, but describes the phenomenon.
    Those not in the management got some 1100 kcal a day, death after six months, unless, as Rassinier, they regularly got food from outside.
    The SS hardly ever entered the camp.
    As Kogon, himself a management member, he survived in good health seven years in a camp, 1938 to 1945, writes, the camp management organised the labour groups.

    Zyklon B gas chambers existed, for delousing clothes, lice cause typhoid.
    Camps had swimming pools, cinemas, theatres, whatever, just the camp management used these facilities, the underfed 75 % was too tired.

    From early 1945 on conditions worsened considerably, USA fighter bombers made any transport impossible, hardly any food, no Zyklon B, Anne Frank died of typhoid.

    Now about the why, this was the Madagaskar plan, where jews were to live on their own, impossible te be parasites.
    This was the Final Solution, to be executed after the war.

    The weird thing is that Koestler decribes something similar about zionist idealists in Palestine, there, working with shovels, intellectuals said to each othert that jews, mainly working as intellectuals, journalists, lawyers, judges, should change.

    Then, why did all this happen, mainly in Germany.
    The 1870 attack by France on what now is S Germany made the unification of Germany possible.
    The feudal agrarian society rapidly changed into an industrial one, where trade and banking became important.
    The German peasants did nog fill the gap, neither the German aristocracy, owning land was socially important.
    Jew filled the gap, became prosperous, some very, Rothschilds and Bleichröder;
    Their mistake was flaunting their wealth, and imagining they were real Germans.
    This did not make them popular.
    Bleichröder never realised that his sumptuous parties did not make him acceptable a a real German, on the contrary, the top German social level attended his parties, and ridiculed him and his wife afterwards.
    Jews controlled the Weimar Republic, making things worse for themselves.

    Jews caused the German defeat of 1918, the USA military intervention was bought through the Balfour declaration, Morgenthau sr, his parents had fled from Germany, was rabidly anti German, he invented not only the German war guilt for WWII, he also invented the Armenian genocide.
    Baruch was somone like Morgenthau, his parents also fled from Germany, he also hated Germany.

    If you want references, I can give them.

    Despite their, on average high IQ, not very clever people, jews, in my opinion.
    Netanyahu thinks he can convince the world that the whole world is wrong, USA leading jewry does not realise they’re living on top of a volcano that can burst at any minute.
    What makes Soros think he’s more or less the dictator of the EU, without making a lot of enemies, unable to comprehend.
    In 1946, when all had failed, Baruch still pleaded for a world government.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  240. Heros 说:
    @utu

    “You are a dishonest manipulator with zero integrity.”

    Bernhard of Moon of Alabama came to the same conclusion and blocked Zeusse from commenting a few months back.

  241. j2 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Eric Zuesse writes:
    “my investigation focused only on reading everything that was written by or reliably transcribed from Hitler; … I was stunned to see that he really did know the Bible almost by heart. … He was deeply affected by the Bible — both the New and the Old Testaments. He was struggling to understand it, as he called it in only his private notes: “The Bible — Monumental History of Mankind.” He read Revelation 20:1-7 and was inspired by it to eliminate all Jews for the Thousand-Year Reich” to start.”

    I think you made an important historical discovery as this fits very well to the general scheme.

    Thus, Hitler first understood Jews as the snake which will be destroyed, but after discussing with the Pope he changed his mind. The Pope could only explain the Catholic, Protestant and Jewish understanding of the events before the end of the times. In all there is the great persecution and in many there is the return of the Jews to Palestine: even if your people are as many as sand on the beach, only a handful will remain, but this reminder will return, cleansed by fire. If Hitler knew the Bible almost by heart, he certainly knew the prophesies of Isaiah and Zechariah.

    Because it is what he did. He organized the persecution and 1/3 died. The reminder was small but they survived and established Israel. This is not a full genocide, as the goal of a genocide is the extinction of the people. This is near extinction, cleansing. Hitler made the Haavara agreement. He forcibly moved Jews to camps and did not settle them. He had underlined a sentence from another anti-Semitic Zionist (de Lagarde) that Jews must be restored to Palestine. Because of Mufti he could not do it during the war, but the Bible does not say anything of Madagascar or physical extermination of all Jews at the end of the times.

    The work of Jesus can only be accomplished at the end of the times. People, who want to fill some task coming from reading the Bible, are as a rule Messianic and think they are living at the end of the times. There are only two interpretations to the great persecution: that it is against Christians or that it is against Jews. In WWII the persecution was against Jews, thus a small reminder of Jews was to return to Palestine. This refutes your claim of physical extermination so that no one would remain. The facts also refute physical extermination of all Jews as the goal: camp inmates were given a choice to wait for Soviets or to go with Germans. Had Hitler meant to exterminate all, these inmates had all been killed. The stem of David had to stay.

    The reason why this natural explanation is not generally accepted is, I think, that it implicates Zionists as co-planners of the persecution and also points out to the later disguises of secret societies that had their hand in Enlightenment and the New World. It is better to have only Hitler to blame.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
    , @Wizard of Oz
  242. Momus 说:
    @Art

    How about the Jew bankers that funded both sides? Churchill had Jew bankers and Hitler had Jew bankers.

    What is the truly ugly history of Jew banking, past and present?

    Some bankers are Jews. So what?

  243. Anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    No one can deny the ruthlessness of some Zionists but apart from the fact that the British at the time were not allowing significant immigration to Palestine I wonder how you think the tiny “Mossad” of the 30s would have got the Nazi thugs to perpetrate Kristallnacht.

  244. @Caruthers

    You don’t understand what “on a need-to-know basis” means. Try: https://www.italki.com/question/116905?hl=en-us

    • 回复: @Caruthers
  245. @utu

    The quotation from Mein Kampf is: “it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over the nations. No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the sword. Only the assembled and concentrated might of a national passion rearing up in its strength can defy the international enslavement of peoples. Such a process is and remains a bloody one.”

    • 回复: @kikl
    , @j2
    , @Skeptikal
    , @KenH
    , @utu
  246. @jilles dykstra

    Yes. I didn’t find it particularly insightful. However, I thought the book was sincere. Wagener also was honest about Hitler’s being — and influenced by and thinking in terms of — Christian (a believer in both the Old and New Testaments, unlike Rosenberg, who rejected the Old). It’s not “politically correct” for historians to acknowledge that. However, Wagener wasn’t close to Hitler; Hitler didn’t deal with him like, for examples, with Kubizek or Putzi, when they were children or young, or like with Himmler, when they were adults.

  247. anarchyst 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer are living proof that the so-called holocaust ™ needs to be “propped up” by its promoters as the impossible claims and many falsehoods are finally coming to light.
    Imprisoning two 80+ year-old grandmothers in maximum-security facilities for “incorrect thoughts” about the holocaust ™ is a prime example of holocaustianity ™ being out of control and in serious need of REAL investigation…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  248. kikl 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    “…it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over the nations. No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the sword. Only the assembled and concentrated might of a national passion rearing up in its strength can defy the international enslavement of peoples. Such a process is and remains a bloody one.”

    So where does Hitler say that he wants to kill all the jews? He wants to use violence in order to protect his nation from Jewish domination.

    By the way: You are completely isolated with your opinion. You won’t find any reputable and living historian of the holocaust who believes that Hitler had decided to kill all the jews from the moment he had read Mein Kampf. I told you: Because Hitler pursued a policy of jewish emigration from Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    So far you have simply denied this evidence.

    • 回复: @Karl
    , @Eric Zuesse
  249. j2 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    “Such a process is and remains a bloody one.”

    Clearly, Hitler refers to something that has been done before and must be done again: “is and remains”. Jews were not exterminated before, they were expulsed by force, faced persecution and forced conversions. Hitler expulsed them and it was bloody and by the sword. This still does not prove a plan for physical extermination of all Jews of Europe.

  250. @Momus

    The question/issue is what it is, and has been around forever. Apparently, you believe that non-Jews should have no say in the issue. Typical. I understand my role as an individual is extremely limited. Maybe you’ll learn the same of yourself one day. I hope that’s a painful day for you.

  251. @utu

    The Jewish propaganda machine turned Herschel Grynspan from murderer to hero.

    Dorothy Thompson led the charge, publishing and broadcasting heart-rending defenses of the “persecuted young man;” creating a fund for his defense.

    USHMM slobbers over Thompson’s broadcasts and writing
    https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/personal-story/dorothy-thompson

    Thompson worked for NBC, which Benjamin Ginsberg discloses in “犹太人如何击败希特勒

    “The increasingly anti-German and interventionist perspective presented by the film studios in 1940 was echoed by important segments of the news media, particularly the radio networks. Two of the most important networks, CBS and NBC, embodied the pro-British, anti-German alliance between America’s Jews and establishment Protestants. These networks were owned by Jews, while their most important news broadcasters and journalists were such establishment figures as Edward R. Murrow and 威廉·夏勒。 “

    ( plus les choses changent, plus elles restent les mêmes American Pravda: Breaching the Media Barrier RON UNZ • October 24, 2016 )

    Jewish Currents:

    “Dorothy Thompson, known as “The First Lady of American Journalism,” offered an impassioned defense on NBC radio of Herschel Grynszpan, the Polish-German Jewish assassin of Nazi diplomat Ernst vom Rath, on this date in 1938.

    Grynszpan’s crime was in retaliation for the suffering and deportation from Germany of his parents (among thousands of other Polish Jews); the Nazis used the assassination as their pretext for launching Kristallnacht, a two-day nationwide pogrom in which 30,000 Jewish men were arrested.

    Thompson’s broadcast, only four days after Kristallnacht, was heard by millions of Americans and helped to mobilize public opinion against the Nazi regime. Thompson, who was not Jewish, had interviewed Hitler in 1931 and described him as “inconsequent and voluble, ill poised and insecure. He is the very prototype of the little man.” The Nazis ejected her from Germany three years later. After the war, she renounced the pro-Zionist opinions of her younger days, became a sharp critic of Israel, and wrote and made a film about the plight of Palestinian refugees.”

    Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA):

    Dorothy Thompson Group to Bring Grynszpan’s Parents to America
    April 2, 1939 PARIS (Mar. 31)
    Herschel Grynszpan, Polish Jewish youth who last November killed a German Embassy official here, expressed delight today when news reached him in his cell that the American Journalists Defense Committee headed by Dorothy Thompson had decided to bring to America his parents, who are among several thousand deportees from Germany still marooned in the Polish frontier town of Zbonszyn.

    Meanwhile, official French investigators have returned from Germany where they checked young Grynszpan’s statements and studied his records. Their return concludes the investigation process, although some documents which they brought still require translation from German to French.

    Grynszpan’s lawyers today predicted that his trial will not take place “for a good several months” and certainly not in May as had been previously forecast. They were pleased to learn of the plan to bring his parents out of Zbonszyn as this would enable them to testify during the trial.

    Central Jewish organizations which received the American group’s request to contact the elder Grynszpans immediately transmitted the news to Warsaw, where they must apply for visas. Doubt has been expressed that the visas will be quickly granted since the Polish quota to the United States is filled for several years ahead. At the same time it is hoped that the American consul at Warsaw may consider the special circumstances of the case and grant visas to the aged couple.

    AND

    January 1, 1939
    SAO PAULO, Brazil (Dec. 30)
    Calling on Brazilian intellectuals to support Herschel Grynszpan as a symbol of Jewish persecution, the young Brazilian Poet. . ., has announced that he will donate 50 per cent of the proceeds of this new book,. . . to the American Journalists’ Defense Fund for the young Polish Jew who killed a German Embassy official in Paris. The fund was started by Dorothy Thompson.

  252. @j2

    Zionism and Nazism both are racists, both are tribalists. Furthermore, Hitler wasn’t lying when he cited racist passages in the Old Testament as, Hitler thought, justifying his own racism. There is a deep kinship between zionism and the Nazi Party. They feed off of one-another, back and forth, each using the other to ‘justify’ itself. This is the way that tribalists are.

    • 回复: @j2
    , @bj
    , @Anonymous
  253. Zuesse 引用了希特勒 21 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日的 Table-Talk 中的这段话,

    “通过消灭这种害虫 [犹太人],我们将为人类服务,这是我们的士兵无法想象的。”'

    但这是 25 月 XNUMX 日的一段话。

    “我在德国国会的讲台上向犹太人预言,如果战争不可避免,犹太人将从欧洲消失。 这个罪犯种族的良心是第一次世界大战的两百万死者,现在已经有数十万人了。 没人告诉我,我们不能把它们停在俄罗斯的沼泽地区! 谁在担心我们的军队? 顺便说一句,公开谣言将灭绝犹太人的计划归咎于我们,这不是一个坏主意。 恐怖是一件有益的事情。

    似乎 Zuesse 在陈述证据时犯了与他指控欧文相同的选择性,否则他会提到这段话。

  254. Mulegino1 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Real holocausts did indeed happen during the Second World War, but they were not directed at the Jews but against German and Japanese civilians by the RAF and USAAF. Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, inter alia, were subject to very 真实 holocausts, faithful to the etymology of the term.

    The Jews in the camps were no doubt far better off than the civilians who were burned to death in these real holocausts, except in cases like Nordhausen, where the USAAF targeted the camp by mistake and killed most of the internees, and then used photographs of the bodies as “German atrocity” propaganda.

    All of this twisting and distorting of history by the Allies and their Jewish patrons shows that Hitler was fundamentally correct about the “big lie”, it is just that he is falsely accused of praising it when he actually condemns it.

  255. Skeptikal 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Looking at the shape and trajectory of the world today, it does look as though Jews/Zionists aim for world domination through finance, through their proxies, the USA and NATO, and through the emotional anchor Eretz Israel—which validates their right to exist *as a state,* NOT as a religion to which individuals worldwide can adhere (such as Islam and Christianity). . . Can/Does anyone seriously argue that the Zionists do NOT aim to expand their shitty little country as far to the east and south and north as they possibly can—and also control the Med littoral and waters out to . . . how far?
    As far as they want!!!

    BTW, regarding who can be a Jew and who can be a Muslim:
    Although both “world religions” circumcise their male infants, I don’t think a male must be circumcised to accept Islam and become a Muslim. Unlike with the Jews. This barbaric ritual lies at the very heart of Judaism. The location of the required mutilation—the source of the Jewish “seed”— is telling.

    • 回复: @j2
  256. Karl 说:
    @Art

    224 Art > the Jew

    revealing choice of words

    > an explosive bullet

    you must be reading a lot of Hollywood scripts

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
  257. j2 说:
    @Skeptikal

    On, no. I decided to read the second book of Kevin MacDonald and noticed this sentence:

    “A 1976 resolution spoke of Jewish peoplehood and of ethnic ties with the state of Israel, but it also asserted that “The state of Israel and the diaspora, in fruitful dialogue, can show how a people transcends nationalism even as it affirms it, thereby setting an example for humanity which remains largely concerned with dangerously parochial goals.”

    Israel will transcend nationalism by future conquests and sets a new example for humanity.

    • 回复: @bjondo
    , @Art
  258. j2 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    I will just quote MacDonald’s second book as I am reading it at the moment: “(Martin) Buber argued that Zionists desire a national homeland because of their interests in serving all of mankind. Only by fulfilling its messianic dream of a national homeland would the Jewish religion be able to lead humanity into the messianic age ”

    Notice the word messianic. Not only tribal. Messianic. Israel. End of the times. Final solution to the Jewish problem.

  259. Karl 说:
    @kikl

    256 kiki > Because Hitler annunciated a policy of jewish emigration from Germany, but didn’t have the balls to actually facilitate it

    为您修复它!

    teenage Jewish girls like Hannah Szenes moved more European Jews into Tel Aviv than Hitler’s entire bureaucracy did

    We don’t judge leaders by what they say. We judge them by what they did.

  260. @anarchyst

    Try reading my post again. Then try reading your ‘reply.’

    I’d like to talk about — and the article is about — whether the Patriots need a new quarterback. You’re discussing whether people should play football at all.

  261. @SomeGuy

    在他的秘密谈话中

    这是秘密,好吧。 相信我的话,他说的。 并且只有我,在所有听到的人中,懒得稍后再详述。

  262. KenH 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    The Jewish policy of Hitler and the National Socialists from 1933-39 was emigration, not internment or extermination. The outbreak of war led to internment no different than how we interned some first generation Japanese, Germans and Italians.

    If they were hellbent on killing all Jews they would have commenced doing so immediately and not waited 6-8 years.

  263. bj 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Not only is there a “deep kinship between Zionism and the Nazi Party”, there was active collaboration by Zionist Jews with the Nazi Party in the elimination of European Jewry. I recommend reading the Lenni Brenner’s “51 Documents” for the history and documentation of Zionist crimes in this era.

    I recommend this document as evidence that Zionists rely on and encourage anti-Semitism to corral, sacrifice, and deceive Jews to attain their psychopathic drive to rule humanity, Jew and Gentile alike. The Zionist’s use the sacrifice of European Jewry as a shield to justify their ongoing crimes against humanity.

    The link is a PDF of “51 Documents”….indicting the Zionists for crimes against humanity. They have not been brought to justice, as have their Nazi counterparts.

    .....https://ia800207.us.archive.org/22/items/51DocumentsZionistCollaborationWithTheNazisLENNIBRENNER1983/51%20Documents%20Zionist%20Collaboration%20with%20the%20Nazis%20-%20LENNI%20BRENNER%20-%201983.pdf

    • 回复: @bj
  264. bjondo 说:
    @j2

    Israel will transcend nationalism by future conquests and sets a new example for humanity.

    Succeeded beyond Jew most demonic dreams: New examples, new levels of barbarism, lying, manipulation, thievery, butchery, violence, perversions.

  265. bj 说:
    @bj

    “But now Israel is everyday’s TV news, and at least the historically educated, Jew and gentile,are grasping that fuller understanding of Zionism, with its 200 A-bombs, is essential to a sophisticated world politics. Today, with the internet, talk radio, public access TV, and a sharp decline of Zionist sentiment among America’s Jews, the general public and media, the stark record will assuredly batter through any obstacles to reach serious researchers, well beyond specialists.”

    https://rosswolfe.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/lenni-brenner-51-documents-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis.pdf

  266. renfro 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I find that intriguing, and it’d be nice to see some discussion of it. The problem with Holocaust denial is that it makes nonsense of the whole question. How could Hitler have been aware of something that didn’t take place?

    That’s ridiculous……why discuss what Hitler knew without first proving there was an actual ‘holocaust’ to know about.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  267. renfro 说:
    @Momus

    I don’t know what Floyd does about it.
    But I happily take credit for turning lots of people against Israel in my 16 years of monitoring the I-P and US-Isr issue.
    So you can give me credit for a part in the polls that show how public support of Israel has declined since 2003.
    Keep pissing us off…..it works to our advantage.

  268. bjondo 说:

    转贴:

    “…according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac.
    The suspicions raised by above numbers concerning the veracity of the allegations made against the Hitler government are confirmed by the official three-volume report by the International Committee of the Red Cross, released 1948 in Geneva, according to which 272,000 concentration camp inmates died in German custody, about half of them Jews.”

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432

  269. KenH 说:

    This falls far short as a refutation of David Irving’s work. The author seems to base his case on the testimony of Adolf Eichmann who I believe was tortured into making false confessions similar to how SS and other German officers were tortured into confessing about atrocities against Jews.

    http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/09.html

    Even if the Germans are truly guilt of some of what they’re accused of it pales in comparison to the scale which the Jewish created and operated Soviet Union murdered, imprisoned and tortured people.

  270. kikl 说:

    “We don’t judge leaders by what they say. We judge them by what they did.”

    The transfer agreement is something Hitler actually did.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

    “The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: “transfer agreement”) was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.[1]”

    Hitler wouldn’t have transferred 60000 Jews to Palestine, if he had wanted to kill them. Quod erat demonstrandum!

    That’s why not a single reputable holocaust historian believes the silly story that Hitler had planned to kill the Jews when he wrote Mein Kampf or when he came into power in 1933. That’s silly allied propaganda that is easily refuted.

    Holocaust historians are still quarreling about when Hitler made the extermination decision. The majority appears to believe that the decision was made at some point in time between the summer of 1941 and the spring of 1942 – the reason for this uncertainty is that they do not have any documents which prove the existence of this Hitler order. The revisionists believe that Hitler never decided to kill all the jews.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Wally
  271. Art 说:
    @j2

    On, no. I decided to read the second book of Kevin MacDonald and noticed this sentence:

    “A 1976 resolution spoke of Jewish peoplehood and of ethnic ties with the state of Israel, but it also asserted that “The state of Israel and the diaspora, in fruitful dialogue, can show how a people transcends nationalism even as it affirms it, thereby setting an example for humanity which remains largely concerned with dangerously parochial goals.”

    Bet McDonald, would like to take that sentence back.

    What crap – “an example for humanity” — 200 hidden nukes – an apartheid state – coercive relationships with all its neighbors – voted against at the UN by the representatives of 7,000,000,000 people. Condemned and hate by the good.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

  272. utu 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    You concocted a synthetic ‘quote’ and attributed it to AH:

    the “elimination” of Jews must be “by the sword” and “bloody.”

    and now you claim it was really equivalent to these words written by AH

    “it is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over the nations. No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the sword. Only the assembled and concentrated might of a national passion rearing up in its strength can defy the international enslavement of peoples. Such a process is and remains a bloody one.”

    Where is you judgment? Don’t you see it is wrong what you did? Or you do but you have no shame? Where does your chutzpah come from? Or do you really think that this is just OK what you are doing?

    You planted the phrase ‘“elimination” of Jews’ to suggest extermination and there is nothing about extermination in the whole MK and there is no word ‘elimination’ in the actual quote. The word ‘bloody’ is an adjective that Hitler and the translators like. It was used in MK 15 times in the evasion I have. The phrase with or by the sword is used 14 times like in this passage:

    no nation has more carefully prepared its economic conquest with the sword with greater brutality and defended it later on more ruthlessly than the British.

    或本

    Germany had to be prepared with the help of to stand up some day for her attempt to secure her daily bread by way of a ‘peaceful economic work.’

    Most importantly Hitler’s quote is descriptive not proscriptive. And who or what is ‘the inexorable Jew ‘ or ‘the implacable world Jew’ as another translation has it? Does he mean bankers and media bosses or all Jews including children’s and infants? Does he talk about the fist of Jewish children and infants? But this is exactly what you are trying to imply with your concocted ‘quote.’

  273. Art 说:
    @kikl

    The revisionists believe that Hitler never decided to kill all the jews.

    Hmm — he never killed his Zionist Jew bankers!

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    p.s. All the Rothschilds lived — go figure!

    p.s. Did the Rothschilds lose a penny?

  274. Wally 说:
    @kikl

    And there is no physical evidence which would be massive if the ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ were facts.

    Think about it, we’re talking about an alleged ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ ... 11,000,000.
    没有一个可核实的挖掘出的巨大乱葬坑,里面的内容实际显示,不仅仅是声称, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist to this day and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    See my other posts. Every angle of the ridiculous narrative / scam is covered.

    干杯。

    http://www.codoh.com

  275. renfro 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    We should indeed be talking about the Jews holocaust of Germans.

    Specifically the Jew Morgenthau’s post WWII plan for dismantling Germany and starving the Germans. Morgenthau was the then Sec of the US Treasury. His plan was known as the JCS 1067.

    Morgenthau embedded his “Morgenthau boys’ into the US occupation of Germany to enforce his plan. Morgenthau had set out the exact amount of calories a German was allowed per day in food. It was forbidden for any US forces or members to ‘share food’ , even ‘left over food’ had to be thrown out rather than given to any Germans.

    In October 1945 the UK government privately acknowledged in a cabinet meeting that, German civilian adult death rates due to starvation had risen to four times the pre-war levels and death rates amongst the German children had risen by 10 times the pre-war levels.

    General Lucius Clay stated in October 1945 that:
    “ undoubtedly a large number of refugees have already died of starvation, exposure and disease…. The death rate in many places has increased several fold, and infant mortality is approaching 65 percent in many places. By the spring of 1946, German observers expect that epidemics and malnutrition will claim 2.5 to 3 million victims between the Oder and Elbe.

    “General Patton. “Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Bernard Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working,” wrote the general in private. “I am frankly opposed to this war-criminal stuff. It is not cricket and it is Semitic… I can’t see how Americans can sink so low.”..

    Then in 1947 the U.S. Congress warned that the continuation of the present policies can only mean one of two things, (a) That a considerable part of the German population must be “liquidated” through diseases, malnutrition, and slow starvation for a period of years to come, with the resultant dangers to the rest of Europe from pestilence and the spread of plagues that know no boundaries; or (b) the continuation both of large occupying forces to hold down “unrest” and the affording of relief mainly drawn from the United States to prevent actual starvation.

    Conditions in Germany reached their lowest point in 1947. Living conditions were considered worse in 1947 than in 1945 or 1946. At an average ration of 1040 calories a day, malnutrition was at its worst stage in post-war Germany. Herbert Hoover asserted that this amount of rations was hardly more than the amount which caused thousands in the Nazi concentration camps to die from starvation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_food_policy_in_occupied_Germany

    In January 1946, 34 U.S. Senators petitioned that private relief organizations be allowed to help in Germany and Austria, stating that the desperate food situation in occupied Germany:
    “presents a picture of such frightful horror as to stagger the imagination, evidence which increasingly marks the United States as an accomplice in a terrible crime against humanity.”[17]
    Criticism of the situation increased, Senator William Langer stated in a speech in the United States Congress:
    “ …among the crimes with which this (Nazi) leadership has been charged (at Nuremberg) is the crime of systematic and mass starvation of racial or political minorities or opponents…. Yet to our utter horror, we discover that our own policies have merely spread those same conditions…I hold in my hands absolutely authentic photographs which have been taken at the beginning of the winter in the city of Berlin. These photographs are interchangeable for horror with the photographs with which we became familiar from Dachau, Mauthausen, Buchenwald, and other extermination camps. These are photographs of children between the ages of 5 and 14…

    In early 1946 U.S. President Harry S. Truman bowed to pressure from Senators, Congress and public to allow foreign relief organization to enter Germany in order to review the food situation. In mid-1946 non-German relief organizations were permitted to help starving German children.[19] During 1946 the average German adult received less than 1,500 calories a day. 2,000 calories was then considered the minimum an individual can endure on for a limited period of time with reasonable health.[20] Providing an adequate supply of food to Germany

    Finally, as the outrages around the world over the treatment of Germans became too much for congress and the WH Truman appointed George Marshall in 1947 to come up with a plan to rebuild Germany….hence The Marshall Plan.

    • 回复: @renfro
    , @Wally
    , @Incitatus
  276. renfro 说:
    @renfro

    Below is Morgenthau’s program for Germany. Basically destryoy everything in German, chop it up and give all parts of it to other nations, expell all Germans from Germany and untll this is completed put them on a starvation diet.
    Morgenthau Plan for erasing not only Germany but erasing the German ‘people’. It is so vile in its pure ‘blanket’ hate and revenge its hard to read.

    Morgenthau’s memorandum
    Morgenthau “Germany is our problem”
    The original memorandum, written sometime between January and early September 1944, signed by Morgenthau, and headed “Suggested Post-Surrender Program for Germany” is preserved at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum. The text, and a facsimile image, can be viewed online.

    The main provisions can be summarized as follows:

    [更多]

    “1. Demilitarization of Germany.
    It should be the aim of the Allied Forces to accomplish the complete demilitarization of Germany in the shortest possible period of time after surrender. This means completely disarming the German Army and people (including the removal or destruction of all war material), the total destruction of the whole German armament industry, and the removal or destruction of other key industries which are basic to military strength.
    2. Partitioning of Germany.
    (a) Poland should get that part of East Prussia which doesn’t go to the USSR and the southern portion of Silesia as indicated on the attached map, (Appendix A).
    (b) France should get the Saar and the adjacent territories bounded by the Rhine and the Moselle rivers.
    (c) As indicated in part 3 an International zone should be created containing the Ruhr and the surrounding industrial areas.
    (d) The remaining portion of Germany should be divided into two autonomous, independent states, (1) a South German state comprising Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden and some smaller areas and (2) a North German state comprising a large part of the old state of Prussia, Saxony, Thuringia and several smaller states.
    There shall be a custom union between the new South German state and Austria, which will be restored to her pre-1938 political borders.
    3. The Ruhr Area.
    (The Ruhr, surrounding industrial areas, as shown on the attached map, including the Rhineland, the Kiel Canal, and all German territory north of the Kiel Canal.)
    Here lies the heart of German industrial power, the cauldron of wars. This area should not only be stripped of all presently existing industries but so weakened and controlled that it can not in the foreseeable future become an industrial area. The following steps will accomplish this:
    (a) Within a short period, if possible not longer than 6 months after the cessation of hostilities, all industrial plants and equipment not destroyed by military action shall either be completely dismantled and removed from the area or completely destroyed. All equipment shall be removed from the mines and the mines shall be thoroughly wrecked.
    It is anticipated that the stripping of this area would be accomplished in three stages:
    (i) The military forces immediately upon entry into the area shall destroy all plants and equipment which cannot be removed.
    (ii) Removal of plants and equipment by members of the United Nations as restitution and reparation (Paragraph 4).
    (iii) All plants and equipment not removed within a stated period of time, say 6 months, will be completely destroyed or reduced to scrap and allocated to the United Nations.
    (b) All people within the area should be made to understand that this area will not again be allowed to become an industrial area. Accordingly, all people and their families within the area having special skills or technical training should be encouraged to migrate permanently from the area and should be as widely dispersed as possible.
    (c) The area should be made an international zone to be governed by an international security organization to be established by the United Nations. In governing the area the international organization should be guided by policies designed to further the above stated objectives.
    4. Restitution and Reparation.
    Reparations, in the form of recurrent payments and deliveries, should not be demanded. Restitution and reparation shall be effected by the transfer of existing German resources and territories, e.g.
    (a) by restitution of property looted by the Germans in territories occupied by them;
    (b) by transfer of German territory and German private rights in industrial property situated in such territory to invaded countries and the international organization under the program of partition;
    (c) by the removal and distribution among devastated countries of industrial plants and equipment situated within the International Zone and the North and South German states delimited in the section on partition;
    (d) by forced German labor outside Germany; and
    (e) by confiscation of all German assets of any character whatsoever outside of Germany.”
    5. Education and Propoganda. (a) All schools and universities will be closed until an Allied Commission of Education has formulated an effective reorginization program. It is contemplated that it may require a considerable periodof time before any institutions of higher education are reopened. Mean-while the education of German students in foreign universities willnot be prohibited. Elementary schools will be reopened as quickly asappropriate teachers and textbooks are available. (b) All German radio stations and newspapers, magazines, weeklies,etc. shall be discontinued until adequate controls are established and an appropriate program formulated
    6. Political Decentralization. The military administration in Germany in the initial period shouldbe carried out with a view toward the eventual partitioning of Germanyinto three states. To facilitate partitioning and to assure itspermanence the military authorities should be guided by the followingprinciples: (a) Dismiss all policy-making officials of the Reich governmentand deal primarily with local governments. (b) Encourage the reestablishment of state governments in each of the states (Lander) corresponding to 18 states into which Germanyis presently divided and in addition make the Prussian provinces seperate states. (c) Upon the partition of Germany, the various state governments should be encouraged to organize a federal government for each of thenewly partitioned areas. Such new governments should be in the form of a confederation of states, with emphasis on states’ rights and a large degree of local automony.
    7. Responsibility of Military for Local German Economy. The sole purpose of the military in control of the German economyshall be to facilitate military operations and military occupation. The Allied Military Government shall not assume responsibility for such economis problems as price controls, rationing, unemployment, production, reconstruction, distribution, consumption, housing, or transportation, or take any measures designed to maintain or strengthen operations. The responsibility for sustaining the German economy and people rests with the German people with such facilities as may be available under the circumstances.
    8. Controls over Development of German Economy. During a period of at least twenty years after surrender adequate controls, including controls over foreign trade and tight restrictions on capital imports, shall be maintained by teh United Nations designed to prevent in the newly-established states the establishment or expan- sion of key industries basic to the German military potential and tocontrol other key industries.
    9. Punishment of War Crimes and Treatment of Special Groups. There is attached (Appendix B) a program for the punishment ofcertain war crimes and for the treatment of Nazi orginizations and other special groups.
    10. Wearing of Insignia and Uniforms. (a) No person in German (except members of the United Nations andneutral countries) shall be permitted to wear any military insignia of rank or branch of service, service ribbons or military medals.
    (b) No such persons shall be permitted to wear, after 6 months from the cessation of hostilities any military uniform or any uniformof any quasi military orginizations.
    11. Prohibition on Parades. No military parades shall be permitted anywhere in German and all military bands shall be disbaded.
    12. Aircraft. All aircraft (including gliders), whether military or commercial, will be confiscated for later disposition. No German shall be permittedto operate or to help operate such aircraft, including those owned by foreign interests.
    13. United States Responsibility. (a) The responsibility of for the execution of the post-surrenderprogram for Germany set forth in this memorandum is the joint responsibilityof the United Nations. The execution of the joint policy agreedupon shall therefore eventually be entrusted to the internationalbody which emerges from United Nations discussions. Consideration of the specific measures to be taken in carrying out the joint program suggests the desireability of seperating the taskto be performed during the initial period of military occupation fromthose which will require a much longer period of execution. While theU.S., U.K., and U.S.S.R. will, for practical reasons, play the major role(of course aided by the miltary forces of the United Nations) in demilitarizing Germany (point 1) the detailed execution of other parts of the program can best be handled by Germany’s continental neighbors. (b) When Germany has been completely demilitarized there would be the following distribution of duties in carrying out the Germanprogram: (i) The U.S. would have military and civilian representation on whatever international commission or commissions may be establishedfor the execution of the whole German program and such representatives should have adequate U.S. staffs. (ii) The primary responsibility for the policing of Germanyand for Civil administration in Germany would be assumed by the military forces of Germany’s continental neighbors. Specifically, these should include Russian, French, Polish, Cech, Greek, Yugoslav, Norwegian,Dutch and Belgian soldiers. (c) Under this program United States troops could be withdrawn within a relatively short time. Actual withdrawl of United States troops should not precede agreement with the U.S.S.R. and the U.K.on the principles set forth in this memorandum.
    14. Appointment of an American High Commissioner An American High Commissioner for Germany should be appointed as soon as possible, so that he can sit in on the development of the American views on this problem.>>>>

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  277. Wally 说:
    @SomeGuy

    See my post no. 210 in this thread about the fake ‘Table Talk’, and
    我的帖子号73 打破了虚假的艾希曼胡说八道。

    干杯。

    http://www.codoh,com

    • 回复: @SomeGuy
  278. Wally 说:
    @tac

    Good call tac.
    More from Master Chemist Germar Rudolf:
    Dissecting the Holocaust / The Growing Critique of ‘Truth’ and ‘Memory’: https://shop.codoh.com/book/38/38

    The Rudolf Report / Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects
    奥斯威辛的“毒气室”
    : http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

    “关于奥斯威辛和比克瑙的“气体室”的一些技术和化学考虑” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    Auschwitz: Plain Facts / A Response to Jean-Claude Pressac
    https://shop.codoh.com/book/412/417

    much, much more at: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=germar+rudolf
    视图:
    奥斯威辛/比克瑙化学

    http://www.codoh.com

  279. Them Guys 说:
    @L.K

    Ever since Klintons NAFTA destructions of good jobs in usa, along with the Marxist jewdeo dumb down efforts in public schools and university students in America, which leaves most grads with little ability to get the few remaining jobs.

    There is One major method left within America to attain prosperity and even vast wealth. That is to agree with ziojewrys holohoax scams, agree with every possible jew agenda, and basically keep ones head firmly planted up jewish ass…..And in doing such, one can realize a hope of a book deal, job on talmudvision aka TV the electronic rabbi msm news shows as a “expert talker”, or if very good at promoting everything jewish, a movie part in the latest upcoming blockbuster movie of Speilburgs “Swindlers List-Part II”. Where in, this famous movie maker shows absolute proof of how a small 7 year old jewish boy was able to escape gassings a dozen times by, holding his breath for Ten min. while dragging dead adult sized bodies of jews gassed, over to below a Window in Gas Chamber stupid Nazis Forgot to Lock!….Then small 7 year old jewish boy could simply scale pile of dead bodies he dragged to unlocked window and climb Out to safety!…..Oy Vey say top jewish Hollywood movie critics!

    This may explain how even today with tons of evidence and refutations which prove so much of what we were taught to believe about the hoax scam claims by jews, and lies of WWII also from usa govnt official story. There are still many folks writing books and articles trying to convince the awake crowd to Return to the flock of total belief in whatever any so called “Survivah jew” claims, and to never dare question any govnt official story on WWII or Holojewry.

  280. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    I know what I and countless others are ‘doing about it’; exposing the fraudulence and impossibility of the incredibly stupid Jew ‘6M’ Big Lie… which Jews have been pushing since at least 1823.

    THAT is what pulls the chair from under sick & violent Zionism and immoral Jew behavior that is recognized as such worldwide.

    并注意 Momus advocates suppression of free speech about the fake ‘6,000,000’. Only liars want censorship.

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”

    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    http://www.codoh.com

  281. Wally 说:
    @renfro

    quoted Sen Langer:
    “…among the crimes with which this (Nazi) leadership has been charged (at Nuremberg) is the crime of systematic and mass starvation of racial or political minorities or opponents…. Yet to our utter horror, we discover that our own policies have merely spread those same conditions…I hold in my hands absolutely authentic photographs which have been taken at the beginning of the winter in the city of Berlin. These photographs are interchangeable for horror with the photographs with which we became familiar from Dachau, Mauthausen, Buchenwald, and other extermination camps. These are photographs of children between the ages of 5 and 14…”

    “Charged” but never, ever proven. But of course, the claims were / are scientifically impossible.

    And note that Langer absurdly claimed Dachau, Mauthausen, Buchenwald were “extermination camps”. Yet today, even slimy “holocaust historians” no longer make that claim, since easy access to those camps required a desperate spin job that the “extermination camps” were to the east in Poland, where the communists conveniently made access & investigations impossible.
    But now even that desperate claim has been completely debunked.
    It’s just not difficult.

    http://www.codoh.om

  282. Them Guys 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Most if not all of the many info links you tell us to check out, are from the usa holohoax museum correct?…..Which has a very Vested interest at always promoting whatever any jew claims about the main hoax.

    I have a better idea plan about all this endless debate of holyhoax issues and jews agendas on it.

    How about jewry as a whole finally agrees to allow a full blown excavation dig at EVERY claimed burial site where jews and so called “survivahs” claim jewish dead bodies are buried at eh?

    Just drop every phony claim of somehow such a dig exploration would in any way “Dis-Honor” the dead jew victims of the WWII holyhoax era. Because as we all know once dead, nobody retains any sense of memory etc…You cannot dis or offend any dead persons jew or gentile period.

    Then once and for all time, either everything too many to count hoax tales and fables will be proved as truth or falsified totally. There will no longer be any possible debate on weather jews massively lie or speak total truth about this agenda of jewry.

    And this will also cause yet Another Great thing to happen.

    It will free up every debater and actual real historian expert to then work on a quest of finding every fact and truth about, the REAL 20th century Holocaust events of what actually really happened from 1917 and onwards, in Russia first, then expanded into EVERY eastern European nation. Where jewish soviet Bolsheviks butchered, tortured, and massively mass murdered a total of at least 250,000,000 innocent White & Christian peoples.

    That Is the Real main events folks should be very concerned about eh…yes I assume such a truth and fact find mission will reveal that unlike how we all been taught of jews always being no more than misunderstood, mistreated, 100% innocent victims in every place to ever be a host nation of jewry. And of course how we were told of jews bad day in WWII hoax events. Is really of zero or close to zero concern or truth once compared to what jewrys proved guilty of doing as prior mentioned with their invention of communism and use of it to mass murder so many.

    Of course most folks will then view jews in a much different light once such factual truths get exposed. But shouldn’t such outstanding examples of the most moral bastions of humanity, as the self chozens promote themselves as to the lowly goyim gentiles of the world, be at very Top of jewrys list of agendas to accomplish? That being to once and for all OPEN every burial ground claimed to be of dead wwii-holohoax jews, so everyone worldwide can SEE factual Evidence proven by DNA tests of bones and ashes etc…..and Then to move on to jewish main crimes of 20th century of what happened from 1917 onwards in Russia etc.?

    This agenda would put to rest all debate and questions for that era, and allow for everybody globally to move on and ahead with better prosperity and world peace for all folk.

    And if such causes jews to be thought of in a lesser way than current lies and scams have provided them the luxury of being thought of? So What. Isn’t facts and Truths what jews rather have?

    If such causes jews to take a Back seat in the Buss for a change?….Maybe they belong there eh.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  283. Incitatus 说:
    @renfro

    “We should indeed be talking about the Jews holocaust of Germans. Specifically the Jew Morgenthau’s post WWII plan for dismantling Germany and starving the Germans. Morgenthau was the then Sec of the US Treasury. His plan was known as the JCS 1067.”

    Why bother? Morgenthau’s dream pales in comparison to Hitler’s nightmare Nerobefehl. Listen to the Führer:

    “如果战争失败,国家也会灭亡。 这种命运是不可避免的。 甚至没有必要考虑人民继续最原始存在所需要的基础。 相反,最好是自己销毁这些东西,因为事实证明,这个国家是实力较弱的国家,而未来将完全属于实力较强的东方国家。 此外,战后将留下来的只是劣等人,因为好人都被杀了。”

    -Adolf Hitler explaining his order to completely destroy German infrastructure to Albert Speer, 18 March 1945

    Renfro, why did Hitler order Carthaginian destruction of Germany? He knew loyal “inferior” Germans would all likely die. Should the Allies be blamed for failing to deliver what Hitler most desired: complete destruction and death?

    Was Hitler Jewish? Could that be it? Give us a clue.

    PS. for Wally: „Wenn der Krieg verloren geht, wird auch das Volk verloren sein. Es sei nicht notwendig, auf die Grundlagen, die das Volk zu seinem primitivsten Weiterleben braucht, Rücksicht zu nehmen. Im Gegenteil sei es besser, selbst diese Dinge zu zerstören. Denn das Volk hätte sich als das schwächere erwiesen und dem stärkeren Ostvolk gehöre dann ausschließlich die Zukunft. Was nach dem Kampf übrigbliebe, seien ohnehin nur die Minderwertigen; denn die Guten seien gefallen.“

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @renfro
  284. Them Guys 说:
    @Wally

    Wally, “IF” ever jews agree to dig up all those claimed mass grave sites and finally show proof?

    I predict that Momus and his/her fellow jew cohorts will first commission their famous jewish elf midgets, that prior were tasked with using small sized wooden Hammers to pummel and smash to dust every last dead hoax jew bones to better hide evidence, to now be hired again in order to have said elf midget jewish hammer-masters, to go in advance of grave digger crews and tattoo or stamp huge “J” on each dead body or bone found so to prove that, yes see it really is filled with nothing but dead jews.

    This will be due to a huge oversight prior, when every black & white WWII era scammed photo of 5,000+ starved 70 lb dead bodies strewn in morbid fashion within a open ditch grave, failed to reveal any such huge “J” as jew proof tattooed or stamped on those 5,000+ bodies. Them jews telling us it was all jewish dead in those ditches never considered we may begin to ask questions as to why shouldn’t we believe those bodies were not of a different group, say, a group of dead german citizens, or catholic poles etc eh?

    It seems that the more made up tales and lie fables jews invent about the big hoax events, the more fables and lies they must add and keep adding to their tales, in order to cover up former tale lies now proven as lies eh?

    1st it was Nazis quickly burried 2 million dead jew bodies to hide evidence from Farmers across street from Camp plowing his fields, so farmer cannot look past chain link fence and view whats going on in “secret” at camp.

    Later changed into: Nazis first buried 2 million on camp grounds, but had to Then dig up same 2 million bodies and place 2,500 bodies at a time on top of criss-cross of railroad wood ties to burn to ashes all bodies. By this method of 2,500 bodies per burn, it took 4-5 days and Nazis were very lucky to finish the job, and re-bury the ashes just meere moments before Allied Forces entered camp so to libertate jews inside camp. Alas! every guity Nazi escaped capture by Allied Soldiers too.

    I plan to now search out jewish infos on how Nazis starved jews down to 70 lbs from a prior weight of 150-200 lbs on avg, and after starved to death, took the jewish body Fat to make Soap with!

    I am concerned as to what german nazi ss miricle method was devised to gather Fat from 70 lb dead bodies eh? From every photo I ever saw, no such body fat remained once down to 70 lbs.

    My theory is it is another good examlple of Naiz ESP powers to do the Impossible every time.

    My MSM Book Deal offers will fill my us mailbox and of that I am certain, if only I can solve this new riddle.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Alden
  285. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    Once again, Zionist Incitatus gives us a laughable non-existent quote ‘from Hitler’ about an alleged Hitler order which Incitatus cannot show us. LOL

    There is no original German document which says what Incitatus has posted. None.

    Then Incitatus hilariously thinks that pasting his English text into Google German translate is the equivalent to an original German document. LOL

    Still waiting for desperate Incitatus to tell us how the laughable ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked.

    Still waiting for desperate Incitatus to show us the claimed massive Jew remains.

    “大屠杀”的故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的故事之一。 这就是为什么质疑它的人被逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力、种族主义和享有特权的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查的原因。 什么样的真理否定言论自由和寻求真理的自由? 只有骗子才需要审查。
    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  286. Wally 说:
    @Them Guys

    Indeed, Them Guys, those ‘Nazis’, with the wave of a hand, could magically make the alleged grand total of 11,000,000 human remains just disappear without a trace.

    Also recall that “holocaust eyewitness” Romanian Jew Sigismund Bendel stated in court that groups of 1000 Jews where killed with Zyklon-B in a room measuring 10 meters long by 4 meters wide by 1.6 meters high.

    When asked, how 1000 people can possibly fit in to a room of 64 square meters, he answered, with “the German method“。
    LOL
    看到:
    ‘Holocaust Industry’s Roberto Muehlenkamp says “eyewitness” Bendel is proof of ‘holocaust’ ‘
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11297

    http://www.codoh.com

  287. Skeptikal 说:
    @Them Guys

    “Most if not all of the many info links you tell us to check out, are from the usa holohoax museum correct?…..Which has a very Vested interest at always promoting whatever any jew claims about the main hoax.”

    I believe I provided two links.
    I was, actually, surprised that the two hits I got from my searches in response to Anon’s assertion that I was making thing up were from the US Holocaust Museum website. The essays provided did not appear to me to exaggerate the victimhood of Jews but in fact reflected much that I have read about, for example, the stresses within the Third Reich arising from the multifunctions of concentrations camps and the many groups of people who were incarcerated in them. And also reflected what I learned as the English-language editor of Auschwitz Kalendarium and also as the child of a Mischling forcibly expatriated from Berlin/Germany in 1937.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  288. Curle 说:
    @dearieme

    “One problem with comments on WWII“

    Comments on all history, no? Lincoln ran in certain counties of East TN on a platform of ‘Only Lincoln can preserve slavery.’

  289. @tac

    After watching the first hour of the first of your linked videos, to my mind there can be little doubt that Germar Rudolf is truthful and sincere, and therefore that the author of this article is not.

    • 同意: tac
  290. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I suggest commenters on this thread inform themselves by reading the following:

    • 回复: @Wally
  291. Them Guys 说:
    @renfro

    renfro: wow after reading this plan, it seems to be way more in tune with how and what should be done to todays jewish state of isreal eh. It would do far greater world good compared to doing it to germans. And no two world jew wars would have ever happened if jewry and zios didn’t cause both wwi and wwii wars.

    Yes far greater good obtained if this plan applied today to Israel and international jewry.

    • 回复: @renfro
  292. @Wally

    – Eichmann claims to have witnessed mass slaughter on a grand scale at Auschwitz in the fall of 1941, where the camp commandant, 鲁道夫·霍斯, informed him that the great, factory-like buildings, the chimneys of which belch smoke, are “working to capacity: Ten thousand!”
    This is months before the Auschwitz typhus control crematoria were constructed, let alone in use.
    – Eichmann talks of Treblinka – but then he’s not sure if it’s Treblinka – where he says gassings were being carried out with a submarine engine (diesel); he claims at places near Minsk and Lemberg, mass shootings were taking place, including one mass grave from which he said:
    “blood was gushing out … like a geyser”.
    IOW, he copied Wiesel who said the same absurd thing.

    Also interesting what the Auschwitz Order Book had actually to say:
    https://archive.org/details/StandortUndKommandanturbefehleDesKonzentrationslagersAuschwitz19401945

    Can you spot a Holocaust there? I can’t.

  293. @renfro

    ‘That’s ridiculous……why discuss what Hitler knew without first proving there was an actual ‘holocaust’ to know about.’

    The same argument could be used to dismiss all Christian theology.

    However, at least you appear to have read my post. Speaking for myself, I find Holocaust denial tedious and not really worthy of continued discussion. The thread is about whether and what Hitler knew and ordered, and I do find that interesting. Could we talk about that?

    Those who want to argue Jesus wasn’t the Son of God in the first place may go discuss that elsewhere.

    • 回复: @L.K
  294. Wally 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Really? What about it? Read this entire post and then tell us why you believe such obvious lies.
    Fraud Danuta Czech and her inbound trains? Many of which never exitsted and that Czech lied about them? The fact that there is no proof that those on them were gassed as alleged. None. And that the alleged ‘gas chambers’ were scientifically impossible.
    And of course the outbound records have curiously ‘disappeared’. We know why.

    Yet we know that vast numbers of ‘holocausted’ Jews were in fact transported OUT of Auschwitz.

    recommended take downs of fraud, Danuta Czech:
    The ‘Gassed’ People of Auschwitz: Pressac’s New Revisions : https://codoh.com/library/document/964/?lang=en

    1944年XNUMX月至XNUMX年XNUMX月将匈牙利犹太人驱逐出境 : https://codoh.com/library/document/357/?lang=en 他们中的大多数被转移出奥斯威辛集中营,从来没有被毒死过。

    Special Treatment” of Registered Auschwitz Inmates : https://codoh.com/library/document/4449/?lang=en
    excerpt: “An analysis of the alleged selections of registered inmates for the gas chambers as listed by Danuta Czech shows that none of them has any historical documentary basis; rather they are often flatly contradicted by the documents.=

    Transfers to the Reich, The Unregistered Inmates of Auschwitz https://codoh.com/library/document/85/?lang=en
    ‘Holocau\$t Controversies’ & Danuta Czech slapped silly lies about their Hungarian Jews lies
    http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hungarian-holocaust-debate.html

    吨更多:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=danuta+czech

    科学上不可能的“ 6万犹太人,5万其他人和毒气室”胡说八道使言论自由无声,并使犹太人&煽动仇恨仇恨所有人的暴力行为。
    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  295. Incitatus 说:
    @Wally

    “Once again, Zionist Incitatus gives us a laughable non-existent quote ‘from Hitler’ about an alleged Hitler order which Incitatus cannot show us. LOL”

    LOL indeed! Sources:

    • Fotomechanischer Nachdruck München 1989, Bd. 41 (= Dok-Bd. 17), S. 428 (Dok. Speer-24);
    • Max Domarus: Hitler – Reden und Proklamationen 1932–1945, Würzburg 1963, Bd. 2, S. 2214;
    • Albert Speer, recounted in ‘Inside the Third Reich’;

    Desperate, Wally? Need a heavy laxative? You’re certainly full of something.

  296. L.K 说:
    @Colin Wright

    holohoax shill Colin Wright

    The thread is about whether and what Hitler knew and ordered, and I do find that interesting. Could we talk about that?

    No. After all, there was NO holocaust as alleged.
    There is NO supporting evidence.
    There is a ton of evidence which shows that it is basically atrocity propaganda on steroids…

    Several of the most important holohoax historians have admitted, discreetly & grudgingly, that evidence to support the official holohoax atrocity propaganda is very much lacking.

    ..早在 1951 年,作为法国代表团成员参加纽伦堡表演审判(1945-1946)的犹太人莱昂·波利亚科夫(Léon Poliakov), 陈述了他的结论,即我们拥有关于第三帝国历史各个方面的大量文件,只有一点除外:“灭绝犹太人的运动”。 为此,他写道,“没有文件留下,也许从来没有文件存在过” (Bréviaire de la haine,巴黎,Calmann-Lévy,1974 [1951],第 171 页;英文版:Harvest of Hate,纽约,大屠杀图书馆,1979,修订和扩展版)

    不仅仅是文件证据的缺失。 它也是应该充实的物质证据,但实际上不存在。 例如:
    During an interview to the Canadian STAR, 27 December 2009, prominent Jewish holohoax “historian” and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, stated:

    我们没有任何物质或法医证据来支持毒气的目击者报告……
    我们所知道的百分之九十九实际上没有物理证据可以证明
    =

    将关于奥斯威辛集中营的官方故事的“证据”与 AR 集中营进行比较,同一个范佩尔特在他的“奥斯维辛案例:欧文审判的证据”,第 5 页中写道:

    “关于 Treblinka、Belzec 和 Sobibor[...] 作用的证据(比奥斯威辛集中营)少得多。”目击者很少,没有可以与霍斯提供的供述相比的供词,没有重要的遗骸,档案来源也很少。=

    So, the evidence for Auschwitz is next to nothing – plus there is abundant evidence refuting the atrocity propaganda – but the evidence for the Aktion Reinhardt camps is, according to Pelt himself, even much less than at Auschwitz, which is just about zero. Concerning the ‘confessions’ of Höss though, another famous holohoax “historian”, the miserable shabbos goy, Christopher Browning, in his ‘The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy’, September 1939-March 1942 (University of Nebraska Press 和大屠杀纪念馆 🙂 , 2004), p.544 note.169, writes:“…尤其是霍斯和艾希曼的证词在某种程度上是混乱的、矛盾的、自私的、不可信的设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    The above are but just a few examples… and that, shill, is the reason for all the ferocious censorship around the holohoax, the most taboo subject of all… but you knew that already.

    P.S. you never read even one holocaust revisionist book… Irving does not count as he was never a holo revisionist and none of his many books were about the holohoax.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  297. Alden 说:
    @Them Guys

    Being the cynic that I am, I wondered how the Germans could get fat from 80 pd bodies when I was in middle school.

  298. Them Guys 说:
    @dearieme

    Yet most everybody by now must be aware of how, most every jew worldwide brags of how every year at one of the main jewish religious celebration events, I do not now recall which event, those jews recite a jewish prayer which speaks of “Next Year in Jerusalem”……and jews brag of how this prayer desire refers to how one day, the international group of jewry shall finally regain a national home for jews. And how after being called “Wandering jews” and, “The Only people Without a nation of their Own”.

    Will then be done and past for then every jew worldwide will go LIVE in Palestine aka jews call it Israel, and never leave nor allow selves to be thrown out like has happened in every host nation to date, except of course for host nation #110 America, which has not yet enough awake folks to do a boot out as every prior host nation has done.

    Yet what we actually See happen about that desired jewish goal of own nation. Coincides with and proves American Founder Ben Franklin’s page long speech he made at the intermission period when he and the other founders were deciding upon what to include within the usa constitution of the several state in 1789(?).

    In that us const. meeting speech Ben Franklin stated that how even if the worlds nations peoples Gave world jewry a totally Free and Clear Title Deed to Palestine for a jewish state as desired by jews everywhere. That Nothing, No amount of pay or bribes, nor other valid reasons or causes etc etc will Ever get worlds entire group of jews to actually Go Live there!

    Franklin said reason for this is due to jews are a Parasitic people, and same as Vampires and Fleas, no parasites can long exist upon each other…For a parasite always requires a Host Body, or in case of jew parasites, a Host Nation filled with its Euro Whites and Christians jews can parasite off of in order to exist….Which is why we always see that no matter the host nation, at least a full half or more of worlds jews live in and refuse to leave said host nations.

    Franklin also stated that the nations of worlds main problem gentlemen Is the jew. And unless we here now with a once in 1,000 year opportunity to create a new country from scratch, include in our new us const a clause to prevent any jew from ever gaining American citizenship status. Then believe me when I tell you all, in two hundred years from now european americans that are yet to be born or exist, but will, will be working the fields and labors to fund and supply those jewish bankers and speculators in order to fulfill their jewish greed and lust for money and control. And those yet to be born americans will end up losing the nation We men have fought so hard and paid so much in blood to obtain…Furthermore gentlemen, they shall also Curse us in our graves for wasting our once per 1,000 year chance to do it right in creating this new American nation.

    Unfortunately, even though George Washington first promoted this plan for a const clause to forbid jew citizenship, and franklin gave his very explicit well worded speech to second the motion, it failed to pass majority vote for acceptance and inclusion in us constitution when final draft was done.

    Looking at past well over 200 years now one can see just how prophetic and accurate franklins future prediction for modern day americans has turned out eh. He was 100% correct as can be period…America has been basically Lost to ruthless, nefarious, greedy, ungrateful jews that consist of but 2% gen pop at best, yet own and or control all that matters in govnt-society-culture-msm-schools-unions-Banks-and have turned it into a new boshevik jew run monster. And especially he was correct when Ben Franklin said of how, First by Gaining total controls over a nations Money, then use of that vast reserve to obtain control of the nations Newspapers (No radio or tv yet back then), and finally via money plus media press info, gain full control of nations fed govnt. Because jews are like Vampires and a vampire cannot live on the blood of another vampire, a vampire requires Fresh Blood of a real Human, and in this case the fresh blood of a Nation Is its Money for nothing moves nor exists without money.

    PS: Ben Franklin’s entire full page long speech on this issue was fully recorded in writing by the S.Carolina Delegate to us const creation, in his personal journal of events held there. And it was avail to read online at several websites last I checked a couple years ago.

  299. Anonymous [AKA "Neville"] 说:
    @HadEnough

    About time someone realized that Jews were not the only ones who suffered in WWII. But talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Jews are responsible for much of the horrors of the Bolshevik revolution and era in Russia. They are also most definitely undesirables in the Christian world. They’ve not been thrown out of whole countries for nothing. Read the slanders of Christ in the Talmud–among other filth. Read Herve Ryssen. Read about the Jewish mafia, the Jewish polluting of Hollywood, of education, “cultural Marxism,” and on and on and on. Pound was right: keep them out of banking, of education, and of government. With honorable exceptions, they are a destabilizing, subversive, immoral and dissolving element.

  300. Anonymous [AKA "jelesait"] 说:

    Is there any topic in which Mr. Zuesse is not an expert?

    • 回复: @utu
  301. Anonymous [AKA "icanread.cant you"] 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    Read! No one denied Mr. Unz’ freedom of speech. The commenter merely said he was disappointed. This is typical in comboxes. “Si los pendejos tuvieran alas, taparian el sol.”

  302. I have a tiny bit of first hand evidence to present on the so-called Holocaust.

    In 1967 in Winnipeg Canada the Canadian Council of Christians and Jews sponsored a human rights convention for students from throughout Manitoba.

    To plan this convention select Winnipeg high schools sent a student representative to a dinner and meeting at the Marlborough Hotel once a month over the winter of 66 – 67. I represented Kelvin High.

    The convention took place in the spring of 1967 but at the winter meetings we planned nothing. Instead representatives of the CCCJ talked at us about the alleged murder of six million Jews.

    At the last of perhaps five or maybe six meetings we were asked to write down our reactions to what we had heard.

    What does this exercise sound like? It makes me think of a focus group. What kind of historical event must be vetted by a focus group?

    The alleged murder of six million Jews was off the radar in the late fifties, when I became interested in public affairs.

    The propaganda storm cloud broke in 1961 with Judgment at Nuremberg, the publication of The Destruction of the Jews of Europe and the Eichmann trial, which was the first television news serial spectacular.

    I remember this well because I was shocked I had never heard of the so-called event.

    Five years later I took part in the focus group and then in 1968 ‘the murder of six million Jews’ was replaced in Canada by The Holocaust. Television rolled out the term like a new car model year with a week of prime time programming.

    So what kind of historical event is it that looks remarkably like a Madison Ave advertising campaign?

    Since the term Holocaust (complete destruction by burning) is inaccurate and deliberately emotive, as well as of dubious parentage, I should think serious historians would be reluctant to use it.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @anarchyst
  303. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wally

    It is laughable and not particularly convincing when people use vast generalizations to refute very specific evidence, of which they are unaware and which they cannot be bothered to even check out. I very much doubt that Wally has read the various logs that were kept at Auschwitz and that form the basis for the Auschwitz Chronicle.

    Does Wally read German, or Polish?

    Does he read anything besides the codoh website?
    It is a shame when a genuine discussion on David Irving’s work and his right to pursue any historic research he wants to pursue (which I certainly do not question) descends into a swamp of ravers.

    • 同意: Colin Wright
    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  304. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    Is there any topic in which Mr. Zuesse is not an expert?

    Yes. Self-reflection. Insight into workings of his own mind.

  305. @tac

    Thanks for the videos, tac.

    In the last one, the Ryan Dawson interview @ ANC Podcast, Rudolf offered an insight that alters my understanding of why Germany/Germans behave the way they do: it’s more than falsely imposed guilt. Rudolf said that Germany lives with a sword of Damocles hanging over it; in the last century, at least three attempts have been made to completely exterminate the German people. The German people live in fear of total annihilation; one false move, one exercise of self-determination and sovereignty will be met with extermination.

    • 回复: @tac
    , @tac
  306. @Skeptikal

    …It is a shame when a genuine discussion on David Irving’s work and his right to pursue any historic research he wants to pursue (which I certainly do not question) descends into a swamp of ravers.

    The supposed topic is actually Zuesse’s thesis that Hitler intended to kill all the Jews right from the start — but your point stands. The Holocaust deniers have taken over.

    I wouldn’t want to block them from posting, but perhaps they could be metered? Only one out of every ten posts can deny the Holocaust?

    ‘Your Holocaust denial post is number 37 in the queue. It is expected that it will be posted in two weeks. Meanwhile, feel free to respond to the actual thesis of the article at any time.’

    Well, maybe not. But what is the solution?

  307. renfro 说:
    @Them Guys

    同意,

    You should also read this……the Jew plan to ‘transfer’ the Palestines …..you can easily see thru the “humane” solution they claim….its really vile.

    http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/hs_short_eng.htm

  308. Curmudgeon 说:
    @Bendin of Poland

    the Death Marches through Lover Silesia.

    The problem with the “death marches”, such as the “death march” from Auschwitz, is that the prisoners left voluntarily. Do you not find it curious that Elie Weeeeezzzzzel and his father, who was hospitalized in the “death camp”, chose to leave with the “evil” Nazis instead of waiting for the Soviet liberators?
    Polish hatred for Germans is alive and well.

  309. What exactly is holocaust denial? The official story is obviously full of lies used to extort everything under the sun from non-Jews everywhere. If the rounding up of Jews in Europe and score settling in the East is the holocaust, then I accept that both happened. Beyond that, it’s murky, and I don’t care either way.

    Arguing the holocaust is a waste of time, and only serves to present Jews as victims. Participating only serves to put a knife to your own throat by siding with zionists and bolsheviks, or to ostracized yourself needlessly by siding with Nazis. Either position solidifies Jewish power.

    • 回复: @Momus
  310. Caruthers 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    记者不需要知道希特勒的任何观点,但据你说,他向记者表达这些意见只是为了给记者留下深刻印象,以便记者了解他的观点。 然而,他对他的高级副官隐瞒了这些,其中许多人也是党内多年的同志,因为显然他们对希特勒目标的理解和意识形态上的一致对希特勒来说比对记者重要。

    • 同意: utu
  311. @Karl

    A frangible, high velocity bullet of the type used by Israeli snipers would indeed meet the definition of explosive, used by any reasonable person with a fair grasp of the English language. You are obviously here with an agenda to misrepresent truth and any honest discussion.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Momus
  312. Curmudgeon 说:
    @utu

    Much of the “extermination” narrative comes from the translation of the word ausrotten, which is literally “out root”. In English, we have uproot or root out as comparable translations. Ausrotten, pre WWII along with uproot or root out, also meant extirpate or exterminate in some contexts. Extirpate does not necessarily mean physical annihilation. Post Nuremberg, ausrotten has taken on the exclusive meaning “exterminate”.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @utu
  313. SomeGuy 说:
    @Wally

    艾希曼的审讯陈述显然是不可靠的。

    也许 Table Talk 的陈述也是如此。 然而,我的观点是,这些声明一起为将犹太人从德国范围内强制驱逐的计划提供了更多的支持。

    因此,承认陈述的有效性对 Zuesse 的案子没有帮助,除非在措辞上是精心挑选的。

  314. @j2

    As you are putting details together I presume conscientiously allow me just to nitpick over the suggestion that marching prisoners to the west rather than leaving them to await the Soviets negates the intention to kill Jews as such. There are many possible explanations of which the likelihood that the Germans who were guarding them by then wanted to have some Jews alive to help save their skins by perhaps getting them accepted as OK by the Americans or British or just as proof that they couldn’t surely have been mistreating Jews when they had marched all these ones to safety. So, not your best evidence.
    PS I wonder if any of those marched West were put to work?

    • 回复: @j2
  315. @NoseytheDuke

    It is (more than) enough that the kid’s leg had to be amputated.

    Indeed it is more than enough that he was shot on the other side of the border, or at all. Netanyahu should bear the same responsibility for putting young IDF men in a position to do that as Hitler did for what the Einsatzgruppen did in the USSR, at least after the first well publicised shootings of demonstrators.

  316. @Wizard of Oz

    How should the 97% react to Jewish politics and power? Do you see no problems there?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  317. utu 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    Narratives are created by selective and manipulative reading and translating of various and sometime dubious sources. Our Eric Zuesse is dishonest or demented. There is no other possibility. He inserted word ‘elimination’ and concocted a fake quote to imply extermination in a relatively innocuous statement about Jews Hitler made in his Mein Kampf. As the word ‘ausrotten’ is concerned it does not appear in the German version of Mein Kampf that I have just downloaded and searched.

    Zuesse did not make a translation mistake. He is guilty of blatant manipulations that include making fake quotes. His thesis of connecting Hitler with Jesus and Christianity is outrageous. One would think that in some circles his book would be welcomed and that he would get some publicity, nevertheless his book did get zero traction and remains virtually unknown. Even the people who otherwise are not known for moral scruples when it comes to twisting historical narratives ignored his book because it was so bad. His other kooky book about Jesus did not help him either.

  318. Floda 说:

    My Mother spent a few days and nights in Auschwitz in mid December 1944. She was a Ukrainian schoolteacher employed by the Wehrmacht as an interpreter. She worked with a small unit of older German ‘soldiers’ whose real task was to asses agricultural opportunities in Eastern Ukraine. In 1942 she married one of these men, a Lieutenant and my father. After an incident involving a young German killed by partisans while taking a Ukrainian girl for a moonlight ride on a motorbike, the CO of the unit, a Captain, shot himself as he was not able to take the obligatory retribution out on the Ten local men and boys in a community in which they had formed many friendships.

    This left my father as CO, the soldiers had been agitating to retreat ever since the losses at Stalingrad. They left and all mechanized equipment was abandoned, including a Fieseler Storch aircraft but they took a herd of perhaps 100 Horses. It took them over a year to cross Ukraine and reach Germany’s most Easterly Upper Silesia. At this point my parents decided to split up and meet again after the war at my Uncle’s home in Halle an der Salle ,near Berlin.

    This left my mother, a stranger in a strange land and losing a terrible war with the whole World.
    She was 24 years of age and six months pregnant with yours truly. She joined up with other women Germans, all fleeing West as the Red army was now unstoppable. In late December 1944 on a freezing afternoon the group of about 25 women including about half a dozen Nuns came across an enormous ‘Factory Complex’ in a medium sized Township. It was clearly a Military facility as its Barbed wire and armed Guards in watch towers indicated. The Women were looking for a place to spend the night, it was snowing lightly and getting dark. Two of the Nuns approached a Guard who escorted them into one of the buildings leaving the others waiting outside

    This was Auschwitz: Moments later a Nun beckoned the group to come inside. They were able only to stay for several days to give the elderly Nuns time to rest. In 1996 my family asked me to write ‘granny’s story’ so I ‘interviewed’ her in Moss Vale, about an hour south of Sydney, New South Wales. She was 76 and sharp as a tack:

    I asked her what she remembered, what was the mood of people, where she slept, what they ate etc.

    Her recall was of a boring place which everybody wanted to leave. She described the SS Guards as old men, some stooped with arthritis but very courteous and delighted to have the Nuns (in particular) in their company so close to Christmas. She remembered having evening meals of Pea and ham soup at a large rectangular table. She also said she had swapped a fine pair of leather boots with a woman there for a Vienna loaf of bread. She was not able to describe the woman. I asked her if she remembered seeing Jewish people there. She said she cannot recall seeing any Jews but that’s not to say there we none there.

    I asked her if any talk of Germany’s imminent defeat was permitted, she gave an odd (but understandable) reply: ‘All the SS men firmly believed the war would end like the first World war, with a laying down of arms on both sides’. That surprised me, poor guys may all have been shot just weeks later. Her overriding memory of it was simply everyone there wanted to go home.

    Of course I asked her the most obvious question: She said ‘Look we were about 25 women, some highly educated, one was a doctor, women talk. We were in no way restricted as to our movement or to whom we could speak, we spent several days and nights there but the SS men insisted we could not stay longer. Not one of us saw or heard anything which would have made us suspect there was something sinister about the place. It was an ordinary work place, they made things.

    Before leaving the Auschwitz KZ Lager the SS Guards solemnly warned the Women to avoid taking shelter in Barns or Stables as epidemics of ‘Fleck Fieber,’ aka Spotted Typhus were common in Winter and had caused the deaths many hundreds of person in the Camp/Factory including members of the SS Families. 

    I was born three months later in March 1945 in a Town named ‘Konigshutte’ not more than 15 or so Kilometers North west of Auschwitz. The name means the ‘King’s small house’. A week after my arrival the Hospital I was born in was destroyed by Russian Bombers. My mother was rooming with an elderly German couple who were ordered by Polish authorities to vacate their house forthwith. They owned a small sedan and offered my mother a ride to my Uncle’s place near Berlin. She declined and commenced an epic journey, again on foot but with me in a pram and towing a cart with some belongings which are with me to this day.

    I’ve heard this story all my life. My mother passed at age 94, she was a tough and resourceful person I am completely convinced the entire gas-chamber part of the holocaust legend is a monstrous fabrication to justify the existence of Israel. Jews suffered in WW2, just like everyone else.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @jilles dykstra
    , @Karl
  319. utu 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    It would be interesting if somebody did the research on the evolution of ‘ausrotten’ meaning in German. In Wiktionary it has three meanings:

    1. to exterminate, to extirpate
    2. to root out, to purge, to stamp out
    3. to kill off, to eradicate, to destroy

    I wonder what did German dictionaries say in 1939 or even in 1947? Did the meaning ‘to exterminate, to extirpate’ was created by historians who wanted to see this meaning in this word while searching for the paper trail leading to Holocaust? When and who first postulated that ‘ausrotten’ was the euphemism or a secret Nazi word for ‘to exterminate, to extirpate’?

  320. tac 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I get a sense that we are both made of a kindred spirit–refuse to live on our knees (as I initially stated of my own motivations) and therefore choose to fight against any and all odds (no matter the cost). If my intuition is somewhat correct please join me here–as well as any other kindred spirit of similar composition–in order to set the record straight against the persecuted who have suffered in the face of this unjust, but quixotic (yet somehow attainable), and unrelenting persecution merely for voicing contrary opinions to what has been accepted as ‘fact’… In the end, your children and grand-children, may come to view your contrarian activities as an act of courage, defiance, determination, and the ultimate salvation for their survival–this is the ultimate barometer of success of the species IMO!!!–and therefore honor your spirit in the ultimate aftermath.

    You see…we will all die eventually, but it is our actions and stances while alive and for the benefit of our offspring and theirs, in conjunction to our shared society, that DEFINES who WE are. I, for one, will lay down my own life–without so much as a sigh from a whispering afterthought of my own reservations if it may potentially have so much as has a mere potential to benefit to my offspring and likewise fellow-citizens, but maybe this may not be necessary yet. Perhaps I am alone in my convictions, but that is not the point. It is the spirit and fight in this present life that soley determines the character of a being who is simply a gust-of-wind in the scheme of life.

    Let us make a stand against what we know and believe is evil, subversive, and illegitimate because when we stand united and in unison in sufficient numbers there is scarcely a force so united and so determined against our uncompromising, unsettling, unwavering resolve that stands even a chance of energy required to defeat our ranks! What say you and all others…the time has come to make a stand?!?!

    BTW, what is your opinion of this author and this most recent piece (I’ve already made my take this piece very clear in my previous comment)?

  321. tac 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    But you see, and as Ernst Zundel espoused: “Get off of your knees Germany”.

    Indeed, it is waaaaay past the time Germany got off its collective feet and made a stand against this nemesis! There is NO WAY for this nemesis to calculate and foreshadow–and therfore have any suitable countermeasures against the incalculable, unforseen, and random eventualities and/or permutations of any set of outcomes to hold such a sword of Damocles with ANY CONFIDENCE of its confidence of said damage.

    It is therefore incumbent for these people to either make the stand–in the real face and possibility of their own demise–or continue to live meager insigificant lives (much like some low life form like flies) … What kind of a life is it in the end if it is simply a shadow of its former self: see Plato’s ‘Allegory of the cave’

  322. @Karl

    Perhaps a better explanation than the mindset which launched an attack on the USSR is the amazing incompetemce at high levels that the brilliant erratic drugged up autodidact psychopath presided over. Individual Germans were amazing in what they achieved but there were separate antagonistic intellligence services, the drug addict Goering’s boast led Luftwaffe failures, and, not least the almost parallel government that was the SS under Himmler and Heydrich.

    Even after Speer took over the remarkably undermobilised Gertman armament industry the SS remained independent of his complete control.

    Supposing Hitler is only absolutely clear that he wants to deal sometome, permanently, so far as it affects Europe, there was plenty of scope for Himmler and Heydrich to carry out decisions at a Wannsee style management conference. Hitler was enough of a modern politician to know what dissembling was desirable and, despite his numetous ridiculous orders to his armies he could be an opportinist.

  323. @Thomm

    “I strongly suspect that active participation in white nationalist circles is a cover for feelings of personal inferiority.”

    I hate pathetic psychologizing — it’s an actual crutch for weak fools. However, by Roosh’s own logic, what exactly does participation in the ‘manosphere’ say about him?

    Stones and glass and all.

  324. Do not see my yesterday comment.
    What was ‘wrong’ ?

  325. renfro 说:
    @Incitatus

    Renfro, why did Hitler order Carthaginian destruction of Germany? He knew loyal “inferior” Germans would all likely die. Should the Allies be blamed for failing to deliver what Hitler most desired: complete destruction and death?

    Was Hitler Jewish? Could that be it? Give us a clue.

    Not worth answering….moronic question.

  326. @ThereisaGod

    I’m not sure what your position is but on one view there is an “own goal” when you quote favourably a report which says “we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour”. Pretty strong evidence is it not given the context? Technically hearsay one concedes to the barrack room lawyer but weighty nonetheless.

  327. j2 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    绿野仙踪写道:
    “PS I wonder if any of those marched West were put to work?”

    假设他们有能力工作,他们就会被派去工作,因为在德国有工作职责,许多其他囚犯被强迫工作。

    “As you are putting details together I presume conscientiously allow me just to nitpick over the suggestion that marching prisoners to the west rather than leaving them to await the Soviets negates the intention to kill Jews as such.”

    不,但囚犯愿意和德国人一起去表明他们更害怕苏联集中营而不是德国集中营。

    问题是,在那个时候,集中营和战俘营的死亡率非常高。 在没有人被毒气毒死的芬兰,29% 的俄罗斯战俘死于 64,000 人的战俘营,在芬兰北部是德国战俘营为俄罗斯人服务,规模较小,一开始管理得更好,24% 的战俘死于 9,000 人。 德国人在这些营地里有大约 200 名犹太人,他们得到了更肮脏的工作,但他们没有被杀,尽管营地经理是早先在中欧营地工作的人,现在被称为屠夫。 在苏联战俘营中,死亡率要高得多。 非常适合返回的德国战俘。 我们可以将大约 27% 视为东欧德国营地中营地的典型死亡率。

    我根据人口统计数据计算出,在苏联以外的西欧和波兰西部、南斯拉夫(德国人在那里射杀了 1 人)和罗马尼亚(在他们的营地中大约有 60,000 人死亡),有 130,000 万犹太人死亡。 其中大约 730,000 人死于集中营和隔都(德国集中营 0.3,特莱西恩施塔特 0.03,波兰的工作营和隔都,0.17,华沙隔都起义 0.008,海乌姆诺 0.1,马伊达内克 0.059。大约 0.06 年,德国和 1.2 年从奥斯威辛占领了西德。西波兰1.7万,也就是2.9万。死亡率大约是25%,和芬兰北部德国人经营的战俘营一样,我们从中得到了很好的研究,Lars Westerlund, 2008, Tammi。你可能会质疑奥斯威辛集中营的数字,但无论如何不能高于 400,000,这意味着大屠杀的叙述是错误的,最好的数字来自红十字会、英国军情五处和奥斯威辛集中营死亡书籍,我使用了这个估计。

    当您谈论死亡行军时,您的意思是将囚犯从这些集中营运送到德国。 你不是说从索比堡、特雷布林卡、贝尔热茨或更远的东方运送犹太人,因为你声称这些犹太人都被杀了。 您的意思是将战俘从战时死亡率为 25% 的集中营运送到德国。 这与 1944-45 年将德国战俘营的囚犯从芬兰北部运送到挪威的情况完全相似,当时芬兰已经达成和平,不得不将德国人驱逐出芬兰。 我们不知道这 200 名左右的犹太人发生了什么事,但至少其他囚犯被带到了挪威。 他们很可能是在那里被枪杀的,或者他们被带到了德国。 可能德国人带走了这些囚犯,因为在战争中释放战俘意味着释放试图杀死你的敌人。 因此,他们没有选择等待苏联。

    但是犹太人可以选择等待苏联人,所以他们不被视为如此危险,也不被视为对经济如此重要。 那么,希特勒为什么要把他们搬到东方呢? 当然不是为了在乌克兰建立一个犹太国家。 希特勒计划德国在波罗的海国家和乌克兰定居。 如果希特勒计划将犹太人安置到东欧,他会在卢布林地区附近安置他们,这是一个计划,但该计划是假的。 犹太人将被驱逐出欧洲,这就是他们首先被驱逐的原因。 首先,希特勒签署了哈瓦拉协议,60,000 名德国犹太人可以以德国设备的形式取得他们的财产,并为巴勒斯坦建造一些工作基础设施。 如果他们搬到别处,他们将失去大部分财产。 然后希特勒把犹太人转移到集中营,运送到东欧,并没有在奥斯威辛集中营杀死他们,那里有那么多火葬场,而是想把1.45M带到东部边境营地,那里没有这种火葬场设备。 它有什么意义?

    但是,如果希特勒想将犹太人转移到巴勒斯坦,这是很有意义的,而且这个弥赛亚计划的一个公认的,甚至是必要的部分是,1/3 或 2/3 将作为牺牲而死,以满足伟大的正统期望迫害和用火清洗(大屠杀),这是必须的。 大约 1.3 万人通过莱因哈德行动营地被带到乌克兰,也许还通过海乌姆诺。 他们将在战争结束后被带到巴勒斯坦建立以色列。 事实上,希特勒可能认为他是 1/4 的犹太人,这应该是犹太人的敌人,一个犹太人,但又不是犹太人。 便雅悯。

    This is my argument and now you say that after having done a genocide against Jews and almost exterminating them, Germans decided that let’s take these remaining Jews to Germany so that nobody will know anything. They did not think that these Jews would testify against them, being so stupid Germans. But as it is that only 25% had died of these western Jews, Germans had nothing to be afraid of. If there was a Holocaust, it was in the East. That is where the Jews were: 1.45M were taken to Operation Reinhard camps and assuming Soviet Jewish figures for 1939 in AJY are correct, there were 4.23M Jews in the East. Together 5.68M. Forget Auschwitz, you have the Jews right here. Of them survived in the SU 2M and some hundred thousands came to DP camps after 1946. We do not know what happened, but assume 1-1.5M were left on the area and Germans shot them. Then Germans killed most of the 1.45M. Then some 0.5M died in Soviet camps. Or it was a bit different.

    无论如何,你对死亡行军的评论可能是对暴行的掩盖是相当牵强的。 它没有掩盖任何事情,而是德国人让目击者活着。 顺便说一句,在这些游行期间,犹太人的遗骸在简易炉中被烧毁了? 我更想想象许多人在夜间逃脱。

  328. Bukowski 说:
    @igor bundy

    “Oh there is no doubt that the Nazis were evil and they killed the many millions of red army POWs…”

    Treatment of Soviet prisoners of war was brutal but at least Hitler offered to treat them according to the Geneva convention. The stipulation was that Stalin do the same for German prisoners. The Soviet dictator refused. To Stalin anyone who surrendered was a traitor to the USSR and he went out of his way to invite mistreatment of them.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7627

    • 回复: @FB
  329. Momus 说:
    @Gordon Pratt

    You are going back 50 years. The meaning and usage of words changes over time, obviously.

    Holocaust is now the accepted generic expression to describe the failed extermination attempt Hitler’s Nazis made on Europes Jews. It’s original meaning is not relevant.

    Seems pretty obvious even for pedants.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  330. Momus 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    A frangible, high velocity bullet of the type used by Israeli snipers would indeed meet the definition of explosive, used by any reasonable person with a fair grasp of the English language. You are obviously here with an agenda to misrepresent truth and any honest discussion.

    More un researched rubbish from a known denier liar here to vilify Israelis or Jews no matter what.

    The Israeli riot weapon of last resort- the one used at the border stormings is the Ruger 22/10.

    It is a .22 calibre rifle that fires a low velocity, short range projectile with a soft point. There is no explosive charge that detonates on impact.

    The IDF, arguably the most moral and conscientious army uses this low powered weapon to stop shoot-through and potentially hitting innocents.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Art
    , @Them Guys
  331. Momus 说:
    @Floda

    I’ve heard this story all my life.

    Such a touching tale of lies and ignorance.

    Aushwitz was truly enormous; well over 40 square kilometres of snow covered industrial building and camps (and the infrastructure of Jewish death) that time of year.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  332. @L.K

    You do not mention the ideas of Poliakov, that there is no evidence proves how wicked the Germans were

  333. @Floda

    ” They owned a small sedan and offered my mother a ride to my Uncle’s place near Berlin. She declined ”
    Why, completely incomprehensible to me.

  334. @OilcanFloyd

    With my political strategist’s hat on I would go for the weakest spots and maybe try crowdfunding for something like OldTruths.Org which would be designed to clear from public consciousness the most damaging or important myths and lies.

    Few of the rabid anti Semites on UR threads should be involved and any attempt to deny the reality of poisonous anti-Semitism from well before Hitler in Germany would be a disqualification. Exactly who the Palestinians were and are, especially from Jewish or prima facie objective sources, should be one of the background stories linked to on the front page. So should the undeniable origins of Zionism (including early clashes with Arabs) up to and including WW1. It would establish honest credentials by acknowledging that there was nothing intrinsically or knowingly malign in aiming to provide homes for Eastern European Jews within the territories ruled by the Ottomans, especially by buying some of the small amount of freehold land. If it was the fact that the Zionist immigrants provided economic opportunity for an increasing Arab, partly immigrant, population, that should be stated with evidence as a minor truth. I think a fair case could probably be set out for an everyone-and-no-one-to blame scenario (apart from the Nazis violent and/or virulent anti Semitism, the Mufti’s total rejectionism and the more unscrupulous Zionist machinations – I improvise from inadequate depth of knowledge of the ten million pages I would need to read and assess). The British, eventually enfeebled by WW2, could not in the end ensure a just solution – to the extent there was one – to irreconcilable enmities and desperation.

    So we have to acknowledge as facts on the ground that the Zionists took what became Israel by force and that it became a legally sovereign state for the world’s powers that counted anyway. Is there a case for applying well established private law principles to treat Israel on its 1967 borders as other than a legitimate state whose existence as a state cannot be rejected?

    No, I suggest, but it might be at that point one not only concedes statehood and acknowledges that Yasser Arafat’s manner of rejection offers was bad for Palestinians, but makes points

    1. the displaced Palestinians, though it is no longer practicable for their greatly increased numbers to live as peasants on their families’ old lands (leased from the Ottoman state originally) should be compensated, with Israel and its financial supporters leading the way instead of just saying “you lost”;

    2. It is intrinsically difficult to support Israel’s perpetuation of its Jews only qualification for new citizenship while there has been and still is such long term support for open borders for others. This should be just sitting there as a perpetual thorn in a discussion which is otherwise attempting to find new ways to progress.

    3. The settlements and the military oversight of the West Bank and East Jerusalem are morally and legally unjustifiable. Links to the legal arguments fairly stated should be given together with the very telling maps;

    4. The hopelessly bad arguments to justify the recent Gaza border shootings should be calmly highlighted.

    and then perhaps the big one

    5. There is no case for the US to be at war with Iran or otherwise spending American lives or taxpayers money [or Chinese loans!] on ME wars and yet Congress and President follow the Israeli line. Moral: US politics is not so much democratic as hopelessly corrupted by money which, on ME policy is overwhelmingly for Israel. (Without exonerating the arms industry and its crew of well paid retired generals).

    *And so to new friends to our website we welcome you if your verdict in the end is that our American politics is so deeply corrupted by money despite its flavour of democratic rhetoric and that clear headedness on the sources of our Middle Eastern policies is only an important step on the way to an uncorrupt democracy.*

    There’s a start for you. Get it off the ground and I’ll send \$5000 as it is in my country’s interests for the US not to continue declining vis a vis China at its present rate. (If the US hadn’t been distracted by the Middle East how could it have been so negligent as to allow China to build those South China Sea islands instead of financing the Philippines and other 200 mile zone states to do so?).

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  335. @renfro

    At the end of WWII Hitler was a nervous wreck.
    In how far the injections his doctor gave him, for years, strychnine one of the components, contributed, anybody’s guess.
    Anyhow, his orders for destruction were ignored, in France, in the Netherlands, in Germany.
    For the Netherlands calculations of the quantity of explosives to blow the dikes were so inflated that Germany no longer had these quantities.
    Hitler then agreed to just opening the sluices connecting inland waterways to the sea.
    They were closed soon.
    That much for German wickedness.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  336. @j2

    No, Madagaskar
    汉斯·詹森(Hans Jansen),《马达加斯加计划》(Der Madagaskar Plan),慕尼黑市,尤登·纳丹·马达加斯加(Jeden nach Madagaskar)
    The Dutch author was or still is a collaborator of the Wiesenthal organisation in Brussels

    • 回复: @j2
  337. @Momus

    Why lies? That is a word too loosely tossed around on UR threads. He may be naive but where is the evidence if lies?

  338. @Momus

    Isn’t it the best you can make of those facts that, on the first day, the young snipers may not have realised how much harm they could cause, and their part time commanders really didn’t have a clue either? Next time they kill and maim just as many on the Gazan side of the unbroken border fence. How come?

    • 回复: @Momus
  339. Anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Pretty late to pluck up the courage and plain common sense to behave sanely and decently.

  340. @Colin Wright

    Mr. Wright: Surely you can understand how illogical your post is. You have it backwards. All talk of “whether Hitler ordered it” is completely pointless if “it” never happened. Also, your use of the term “Holocaust denier” is not helpful and does nothing to advance a rational discussion. Why is the “Holocaust” the only historical event to which the term “denier” is routinely appended? Why have many countries enacted laws that criminally punish individuals who question the orthodox narrative? Do you and support those laws? If so, do you believe that it would be a good thing if similar laws were enacted in the US, if it were possible? Why do Europeans not deserve the protections w/r/to freedom of speech that Americans enjoy by virtue of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  341. Skeptikal 说:
    @SomeGuy

    “Ausrotten” can mean a number of things, all related but with different nuances.
    IMO the best translation is “eradicate.”
    Which, actually, has the same root as “ausrotten,” namely, to root out.
    很明显,希特勒想要从德国社会中根除犹太人及其影响。
    不一定来自全世界。
    Of course, Hitler also wanted to ban a number of other groups from Germany society: communists, Bolsheviks, homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Freemasons, common criminals, etc. Different shaped badges at Auschwitz for each group. I don’t know about the practices of the other camps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
    Hmm, interesting here is that the illustration of the badges is from 1936. I didn’t know that the badge system had been adopted so early. Also interesting is the fact that in the thirties, many people came and went from Dachau and I think a few other “reeducation” camps.

    至于犹太人,很明显,许多纳粹将犹太人和其他不受欢迎的人(如果身体健全)的用途视为需要的劳动。
    Side note: Unlike in, say, the USA after it entered the war, German women were not put to work in industry and on farms etc. to support the war effort but were mainly kept at home to carry out the KKK (Kinder, Kueche, Kirche) ideology of the Nazis (although some Jewish women were sent to work on farms). This is akin to the idea that the Jews should be kicked out and/or killed instead of being put to work to keep the Reich going. Of course, during the thirties the goal of kicking them out was linked to taking over their assets. Many Jews hung around after their enterprises were aryanized—even being obliged to continue to work in the business to train the new owners, etc.—until they finally understood that this would not longer be tolerated—that they would not longer be tolerated. Eventually, reality collided with a lot of ideological notions, for everyone.
    I don’t consider Sophie’s Choice to be a historically accurate document, but I believe its premise is historically correct: the basic sorting mechanism on the Auschwitz platform was: keep the able-bodied and get rid of the infirm who could not work and would just be a drag on the system.
    但是,其他阵营,其他习俗!

    Not sure what the point is of Zuesse’s campaign to convince that Hitler always intended to exterminate/genocide the Jews. Can we all agree that Hitler was a kind of idiot savant who was brilliant in some respects and off the walls and ranting in others? There were a lot of crazy zealots in his government.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  342. @David Bauer

    Impeccable logic so far as it goes. But surely you have no difficulty with accepting that (a) there was a lot of deep seated virulent anti-Semitism in Germany; by no means confined to lower class losers such as Hitler was in 1919; (b) that, while populations were still growing as fast as sub Saharan Africans today, and life expectancy was short and precarious (of my paternal great-grandfather’s 13 children 5 out of 8 boys died before adulthood – and he was quite rich) mass slaughter was not unthinkable as we might like to think it is now (and was practised by the Germans in SW Africa); (c) Hitler wanted to clean out Europe of all Jews, especially Germany, and, more than incidentally, had mad pseudo scientific ideas about heredity that informed his hopes and intentions; (d) he had truly vile henchmen like Himmler and Heydrich who wouldn’t have had any compunction about methods or outcomes; (e) anyway millions of Europe’s, mostly Polish, Jews were killed in a variety of ways and places because they were Jews, including those killed by Einsatzgruppen and Baltic state and Ukrainian auxiliaries for whom the Germans were responsible. (I remember seeing a program featuring a young German historian who had managed to get hold of, anyway listen to or read transcripts of, bugged conversations amongst German officers – mostly senior officers being held in comparative luxury and freedom in an English country house. The Wehrmacht generals couldn’t help knowing about the shooting and burning of Jews because they were Jews and spoke about it candidly, and junior officers (or NCOs: I forget) spoke of participation. Of course Enigma had already disclosed wireless reports on the numbers of Jews shot so there are lots of lines of evidence for Jew-targeted killing).

    Given all that, and setting aside quibbles about the original meaning of Holocaust or why it has been promoted for good PR reasons, is there really a problem about there having been events that can pithily be called the Holocaust of which it is of some interest to inquire as to the Führer’s knowledge and responsibility? Zionist lies and exaggerations – if any and however motivated – must be irrelevant to the answer to that.

    • 回复: @Curle
    , @Incitatus
  343. @renfro

    All of his “questions” (baiting, really) are moronic. Just like him.

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  344. Skeptikal 说:

    Regarding the apparent centrality of the word “ausrotten” to the discussion of Hitler’s intentions,
    it seems to me that a more relevant word might be “vernichten,” destroy.
    “Vernichtungslager” referred to camps with infrastructure available to kill larger numbers of people. They were in Poland.
    However, the use of the term to refer to Auschwitz shows the complexities of the situation, since people were killed in Auschwitz but also put to work in the Birkenau and the Bunawerk (Auschwitz III, Monowitz) sections of the camp. I don’t know the details of work vs. killing in other Vernichtungslager, such as Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec.

  345. @j2

    But it makes a lot of sense if Hitler wanted to move Jews to Palestine and an accepted, even necessary, part of this messianic plan was that 1/3 or 2/3 would die as a sacrifice, to satisfy the orthodox expectations of the great persecution and cleansing with fire (holocaust), as there had to be.

    In a speech sponsored by his then-patron, Bear Stearns CEO Jimmy Cayne, Michael Ledeen focused on the story of Moses and the Hebrews at Mt. Sinai, when Yahweh instructed Moses to kill Jews who kvetched about returning to Egypt instead of trekking on to the conquest of Canaan.
    The Levites stepped forward to do the job; Moses set them to the task and, Ledeen emphasized, “Jews killed Jews.” Ledeen also reflected that he is “a proud Levite.”

  346. @jilles dykstra

    UIt is not clear to me how strong Zionism was amongst US Jews – only a few of whom were by 1916-17 influential anyway – when Woodrow Wilson led the US into war. (It is interesting to note how much British intelligence work in the US helped to overcome isolationism in the lead up to December 1941 because the relatively Anglophile WASPs would possibly have counted for more in 1917 so maybe there was less pressure against war to overcome). Obviously Weizmann did a good job on Balfour to get even the promise he did get in the Balfour Declaration. Balfour – as would have been the case probably with the usually Zionist Winston Churchill – was already half way there but, obviously dealing in Great Britain’s interests, must have valued some promise of assistance. Getting the US into the war is obviously the big one. Where and what is the evidence that Jews actually were critical to US entry into WW1? You imply that you know for certain. Please spell it out.

  347. anarchyst 说:
    @Gordon Pratt

    Let’s not forget another holocaust ™ crutch which is used by the courts to defuse and disarm those who attempt to disseminate the TRUTH about this minor event in human history.
    “Judicial notice” is a doctrine which prohibits defendants in holocaust ™ “show trials” from presenting evidence that counters the claims of so-called holocaust ™ “historians”, EVEN IF THE CLAIMS BEING MADE BY THESE PRO-HOLOCAUST CHARLATANS CAN BE PROVEN FALSE.
    Judicial notice is given free-reign and is used in every case of holocaust ™ prosecutions to keep the TRUTH from being introduced into evidence.
    Monika Schaefer and Ursula Haverbeck ae but two of the latest victims of holocaustianity ™.

  348. @Wally

    Having read that long polemical piece by Veronica Clark – the version of her name that the qualified diesel mechanic was using for that article – I find that she has indeed made quite a case for Table Talk in any of its forms not being a good primary source, but by no means displaces it as good secondary evidence (especially if the various available elements are put together; as to which I recommend careful critical reading of the Wikipedia entry about TT). Clark appears to have no beef with anything about Jews ( her original interest was apparently to portray Hitler as more of a Christian than a racialist) and nothing I read displaces the opinion of people like Speer that the published TT got Hitler’s long boring monologues about right.

    The denial that the usual write up hours later or even the next day largely from memory can be accurate in substance despite not being stenographic verbatim defies experience of the Courts, of attending lectures and of the records of legislative debates where I have seen stenographic records that made little sense shakily corrected from bad audio tapes (or slurred voice) and ultimately got almost certainly right by memory of the substance of what was said. Clearly it could help to have heard much the same thing many times as was apparently the case when Hitler engaged in his monologues.

  349. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Next time they kill and maim just as many on the Gazan side of the unbroken border fence. How come?

    你为什么要问我呢?

    I sorted old mate on the type of weapon and ammo.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  350. j2 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    So, you think Hitler planned to send the Jews to Madagascar. Zionists did consider it, but discarded. I will make a simple argument that the destination was Palestine.

    First the hair.
    This is from the article by Zuesse, Goebbels said “that no hair of anyone’s head would be touched.”
    Remember from Auschwitz those piles of hair fumigated after cutting with Zyklon B but never used for anything, no real plans to use this hair in submarines or elsewhere. So why is the hair kept? Next shuffle your Bible to the end-of-the-time prophesies: and not a hair from your head will fall to the ground. This, though other prophesies promise that 1/3 will be burned as holocaust to God. It is just like that, cut the hair, it falls to the floor, pick it up and store, so it does not fall to the ground. You intentionally satisfy the smallest letter in prophesies. Prophesies say the Promised Land, not Madagascar.

    Second, the DNA.
    Eva Brown’s DNA was Ashkenazi Jewish, mtDNA N1b1 is very characteristic Jewish. Eva’s maternal grandmother was Josefa Winbauer and further you cannot get to check if Josefa was Jewish. This means that Nazis could not check Eva had four Aryan grandparents, and there is reason to think she had mtDNA N1b1, Jewish. If Josefa was Jewish, Eva would have known very probably. Hitler had the same situation with his unknown paternal grandfather. According to a family legend Alois’ father was Jewish and mother shiksa. Then it makes sense to marry Eva. Hitler’s Y-DNA E1b1b is more common in Jews, not really found in real German ancestry. Then you take a guy, who looks like Hitler and has this dubious ancestry impose racial cleanness laws and admire blue-eyed tall blonds. Does it make sense? Does is make sense for extreme nationalist to say at the end of the war that let Asians win as they were stronger. But it makes every sense if he saw himself as partially Jewish and with a task of taking Jews to Palestine. For that he found Jewish financiers, not for taking Jews to Madagascar.

    Third, Jesus
    I actually believe what Eric Zuesse found. Hitler thought he had a messianic task, to complete what Jesus started (redemption, end of the times). There is only one task for the messiah.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @jilles dykstra
  351. Momus 说:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Arguing the holocaust is a waste of time,

    Exactly. It is established as the conventional history and taught as such in the west even though there may be quibbles over details. It is also Judicial Note in western legal systems so accepted as evidence of Nazi crimes without further explanation.

    If the rounding up of Jews in Europe and score settling in the East is the holocaust

    No that’s not the Holocaust.

    Hitler’s Nazis establishment of the ideological and practical apparatus to debase the German population then forcibly expel, imprison, enslave then murder and attempt to exterminate huge numbers of Jews is the Holocaust.

    • 回复: @j2
    , @Wally
  352. utu 说:
    @j2

    Too much Jews and too much Holocaust is clearly dangerous to mental health. You and Zuesse see a psychiatrist asap.

    • 回复: @j2
  353. Art 说:
    @Momus

    The IDF, arguably the most moral and conscientious army uses this low powered weapon to stop shoot-through and potentially hitting innocents.

    The IDF are animals – you are a bold faced lying animal. The evidence is overwhelming – because of world censure – the IDF needs to keep the body count down – so they shoot to maim for life.

    The IDF is the most immoral army on the planet.

    Israel shoots to wound, not kill. That has led to a wave of amputations in Gaza

    Non-lethal methods, such as rubber-coated bullets, have proved ineffective at deterring the crowds, Yoav Gallant, a member of Israel’s Security Cabinet, recently told reporters. But he said the policy was to aim at demonstrators’ legs to minimize fatalities.

    The severity of the injuries has raised questions in Gaza about the type of ammunition used. Israeli officials say soldiers employ only standard weaponry that complies with international laws.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-shoots-to-wound-not-kill-that-has-led-to-a-wave-of-amputations-in-gaza/ar-AAytEaF

    认为和平-无害-维持希望,爱,真理和理想主义-艺术

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  354. j2 说:
    @Momus

    “Hitler’s Nazis establishment of the ideological and practical apparatus to debase the German population then forcibly expel, imprison, enslave then murder and attempt to exterminate huge numbers of Jews is the Holocaust.”

    That is a good definition, since then hardly any holocaust revisionist is a holocaust denier, which is quite correct. Everybody agrees that Hitler established an ideological and political apparatus to manipulate the German population and that Jews were forcibly expelled, imprisoned and enslaved. Nobody questions that very many were murdered like by the Einsatzgruppen. Your last sentence can also be accepted: huge numbers (=millions) of Jews were exterminated (=died).

    You still added the word attempt. Attempt to exterminate huge numbers, meaning not attempt to exterminate all European Jews, which would be an attempted genocide, but huge numbers.

    Did Nazis attempt to have a huge number of Jews to die? I think yes. The plan of the transfer included the idea that many would die and the strongest would survive. If the transfer is understood as the messianic great persecution the idea was that 1/3-2/3 were to die.

    The German military knew quite well that a huge number would die in a transfer through camps and still realized the population transfers. This makes the deaths in a sense intentional and in this sense there was an attempt. But my personal opinion is that it was essential that a huge number would die and that it was intended as the messianic holocaust, a burnt offer to God, to explain to religious Jews that the time of Exodus has come.

    Most holocaust revisionists imagine that holocaust denial means something different, like denying the use of gas chambers and questioning 6M, glad that you clarified that it is not so. I fully agree with your definition.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  355. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Poor Momus. His lies have been completely debunked yet he keeps on lying.

    Momus’s last best hope:

    前囚犯摩西·皮尔 (Moshe Peer) 回忆起自己 1993 岁时在集中营里奇迹般地逃脱死亡的经历。 在 XNUMX 年接受加拿大报纸采访时,出生于法国的 Peer 声称他 “至少六次被送到营地毒气室……也许孩子抵抗力更好,我不知道。” 加拿大蒙特利尔公报,5 年 1993 月 XNUMX 日

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  356. Wally 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Poor Skeptikal, a fantasizing Jew citing a corrupted Jew dominated Wikipedia as reference. Hilarious.
    看到:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    以色列及其游击队员如何审查互联网: https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

    Not a single British Bletchley Park intercept of secret German messages to and from Auschwitz and the so called ‘death camps’ never mention gas chambers, killing Jews, or anything holocaust-like. There are many which do mention transporting Jews out of these labor camps.
    另请注意,保留的出站列车记录已消失,而入站记录则没有。 谁受益?

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7581

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  357. Anonymous [AKA "Heresey"] 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    XNUMXD压花不锈钢板 collaboration of leading Zionists with the Third Reich– especially in the context of “revisionist history” – needs to be pointed out here (Zuesse commented on June 16: “There is a deep kinship between zionism and the Nazi Party“) >>>

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/24/zionism-in-the-age-of-the-dictators/
    (the whole book is available online; see also Lenni Brenner’s “51 documents” and Alison Weir’s work)

    “Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the ‘Freedom Party’ (Tnuat HaHerut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties….They have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism and racial superiority… it is imperative that the truth about Mr Begin and his movement be made known in this country.

    =

    (excerpt from a letter (endorsed by Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt among others) published in the NYT in December 1948, but still relevant …)

    http://wilsonweb.physics.harvard.edu/NYTimes1948.html

    The massive suffering and dying in concentration camps (and mass executions of helpless people- even if it were less than 6 million and not with Zyklon-B) is one horrible thing to contemplate, the political exploitation of this organised cruelty (even decades later) another … a profound analysis of the psychopathology of Zionism (and how the “Holocaust” was abused for political purposes) can be found in Joel Kovel’s book: Overcoming Zionism

    The crimes against humanity that the Zionist state has committed against the Palestinians (for 70 yrs…supported by Britain and the US) are in a sense worse than the crimes of the Third Reich precisely because they have abused the image of the “Holocaust” to maintain the illusion of moral absolutism and intimidate all critics of their inhumane policies with the “anti-semite” stigma …

    Gandhi wrote in 1938 about “the Jews in Palestine” (shortly after “Kristallnacht” in Germany):

    [Hitler] is propounding a new religion of exclusive and militant nationalism in the name of which any inhumanity becomes an act of humanity to be rewarded here and hereafter.

    The recent remarks by Israeli politicians and the IDF about the mass-murder of demonstrators in Gaza show that Gandhi’s observations (then) perfectly describe what Israel has been doing for decades, especially now in Gaza:

    The inhumanity (to harrass and kill unarmed people who live under disastrous conditions in a giant prison or under apartheid-rules in the West Bank/Jerusalem) becomes something “to be rewarded”, a noble action: “the right to defend ourselves”, “security” against “Hamas”-terror, etc.

    Gandhi also wrote:

    Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. […] Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred.

    https://www.countercurrents.org/pa-gandhi170903.htm

    Regarding the personal attitudes / prejudices of Mr. Irving (who did not deserve to go to prison but should not be regarded as a “hero” either):

    I have not read his books (only excerpts from the Hitler e-book) but in his interview (published here recently) he used the following expression to describe the color of a Rolls-Royce he had bought with the money of one “best-selling” book: “nigger-brown=

    He also talked about the premature death of his first-born daughter and mentioned in passing that her second name was “Victoria” because she was born on the day when the fascist General Franco took control of Spain, so for him this was a day to celebrate … (Irving’s wife is Spanish)

  358. anon[341]• 免责声明 说:
    @renfro

    I’m afraid you’ve caught ADD from the the Beefsteak man. Incitatus is clearly one of the 5- 10 smartest, best read and most lucid of regular commenters.

    • 哈哈: L.K
    • 回复: @renfro
  359. @Art

    As it is clearly unnecessary to inflict such violence at the Gaza border to protect Israel’s security only one rational conclusion appears possible. Israel’s government has made a calculation and consequent bet that inflicting hardship on Gaza residents as savage as they can get away with will eventually lead to Hamas being overthrown or transformed from within (almost certainly with violence) so that some sort of peace deal can be imposed – or another 15 years or so of negotiations spun out while the West Bank and Jerusalem are made unviable for a single Palestinian polity.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Art
  360. Josecanuc 说:
    @Thomm

    Every time I read your closing sentence it makes me laugh. One of the finest and funniest and most perceptive replies I ever read. The Real American reasoned your comment triggered Reg Caesar’s astute reply and instead of going to his front door and scolding him he unwisely knocked on your door.

  361. Them Guys 说:
    @Momus

    I doubt that for Most people the word “Momus” will have any changes in what they think even a hundred years from now.

  362. @Momus

    With less goodwill I would be calling you disingenuous. But maybe you forgot that you were clearly defending the morality of the shooters. I even re-read it for signs of irony and couldn’t find them.

    • 回复: @Momus
  363. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wally

    “Poor Skeptikal, a fantasizing Jew citing a corrupted Jew dominated Wikipedia as reference. Hilarious.”

    I am well aware of a number of ways that Wikipedia entries are compromised.
    However, the illustration shown in Wikipedia dates from 1936 and obviously is a German source. So, I suspect not a product of Zionist tampering of some kind.
    A Google search of “Concentration Camp badges” gets a number of hits of this particular illustration and of others that provide the same info. Are you, Wally, actually asserting that this badge info is incorrect? Do you speak German and read Fraktur, so you know what the labels say, and you know that they are lies?
    As far as I can tell the source of the graphic shown at Wiki is a document held in the collection of the Dachau Camp Museum.

    The fact of the matter is that the existence of these many labels would seem to support a number of your own arguments, such as they are. So, I think you are the one who is “hilarious.”

    As for my being a fantasizing Jew, or any kind of Jew—that is really hilarious!!
    As for the use of such a silly ad hominem as an argument/rebuttal, that is merely pathetic.

    • 回复: @Wally
  364. @j2

    Did you read the mentioned book ?
    If not, what are you talking about ?

  365. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    Former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he “was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times…maybe children resist better, I don’t know.” Gazette, Montreal, Canada, August 5, 1993

    Benthic Wally It’s clearly bullshit. Children have a higher lung surface area to body volume than adults and died more quickly from Nazi gassing.

    You are doing the serious Holocaust historians a favour, and agreeing with the thoughtful Holocaust students by basing your case, including the 6/5/11 garbage, on decades out dated propaganda.

    • 回复: @Wally
  366. @j2

    Einsatzgruppen, Butz questions them, so do I.
    刚读
    莱昂·波利亚科夫,'Bréviaire de la Haine,Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs',1951 年,1974 年,巴黎
    亚瑟·布茨(Arthur R. Butz),“二十世纪的骗局,反对欧洲犹太人被假定灭绝的案件”,科斯塔·梅萨(Costa Mesa),1977年,1989年
    One just has to read Poliakov, Butz describes how the confessions of twelve of the assumed 1000 members of these groups were attained.
    How on earth the reports of these killings were send around in 100 copies, it defies all imagination.

    The Germans accused of the Malmedy killing of USA POW’s all became impotent as result of the interrogations.
    Höss confessed to gas chambers after he was promised that his life would be spared if he confessed.
    The Auschwitz under commander caught in the sixties denied the gas chambers, the trial did not take place, he suddenly died in prison, as Milosevitch, BTW.

    Anyhow, according to Poliakov one Gruppe consisted of 50 to a 100 men.
    In his book he several times writes sentences as ‘all 40.000 jews were executed’.
    Just think about it, how fifty men executed and buried 40.000.
    Pictures of these executions also are flabbergasting, Wehrmacht soldiers in long leather coats with rifles, killing a long line of willing victims.
    The escaped officers in WWII from a POW camp, maybe a hundred, were mowed down with machine guns.

    Churchill in WWII had a propaganda studio in Canada.
    The chart FDR used to explain, in his fireside chats, German plans to conquer the world, from this studio, I suppose
    托马斯·马赫(Thomas E.Mahl),《绝望的欺骗,1939-44年美国在英国的秘密行动》,弗吉尼亚州杜勒斯,1998年
    So I’m sceptical about any WWII picture of German atrocities.

    • 回复: @Wally
  367. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    With less goodwill I would be calling you disingenuous. But maybe you forgot that you were clearly defending the morality of the shooters. I even re-read it for signs of irony and couldn’t find them.

    I cleared up an error of fact, as an expert witness would testify. You are impugning my motive to suit your projection. No moralising in that dispassionate comment.

    Civilian police forces routinely use much more deadly weapons at much closer range than the Israeli’s rabbit loads.

  368. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As it is clearly unnecessary to inflict such violence at the Gaza border to protect Israel’s security only one rational conclusion appears possible.

    It is clearly necessary for Israel to protect her borders. Hamas who runs the show in Gaza is a declared terrorist organisation who has killed thousands of Israeli civilians and in the best Nazi fashion has debased it’s population and taught them that it is their high duty to murder Israelis.

    The fence assaults were part of a coordinated plan to break into a Sovereign nation and cause murder and mayhem. If the Israelis had not acted at the border they would have been forced to kill many more after it was breached.

    The IDF is superbly lawyered and diplomatically reinforced and it’s self defense is always the minimum to safely control the situation. They started with social media information, dropped leaflets, used loudspeakers, arrayed them selves, dropped more paer leaflets warning what would happen and so on.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  369. Them Guys 说:
    @Momus

    Momus You LIE! The IDF typically use a Colt AR type rifle, only Unlike a civilian semi-auto model americans own, IDF model is the M-16 type or may be now called a newer model name, but either way it usually has Three select fire options. #1 Semi auto mode= One shot per Pull of trigger. #2= Fires Three Round Burst in rapid succession, per one trigger pull, and #3= Fires in FULL AUTO aka Machine gun.

    AND the Bullet Caliber is NOT a “Ruger-10/22 small .22 cal.” round typical of a 10-12 year old boys very first gun or rifle owned here in usa….Used for Plinking at targets and to Hunt Very Small Game.

    Rather that IDF Bullet they use/fire at unarmed & Innocent persons/crowds/tiny babies/old women/disabled of all ages and genders. That IDF bullet IS a .223 Military round.

    It has a typical avg bullet velocity(speed) as it exits barrel of aprox. 3,200-3,400 FT per Second!!!

    And it has a Foot Pounds of energy Impact of about, 1,250+ FT. Lbs.

    Which when compared to say the Very Powerfull and made famous handgun in eastwoods Dirty Harry movies, the Smith & Wesson, Model 29, with a 4 in long barrel,(like one of Mine I own) or a 6 in barrel like Dirty Harry used in movies, Both fire a .44-Magnum Bullet, with a bullet weight typically of the main standard one that is 240 Grains in weight…

    That .44 Magnum 240 Gr. Weight Bullet fired from said S&W-Mod. 29 handgun has a bullet velocity(speed) of aprox. 1,000 ft. per sec. to as high as 1,400 Ft per sec, depending upon type of and amount of gun powder load it contains.

    And when a .44 Mag 240 grain lead bullet is fired, which would be at Lower end of speed and impact scale….The Foot pound impact pressure is aprox. 950 to 1,000 FT Lbs.

    NOW, when that .44 mag which was worlds Most powerfull Handgun Load avail, untill a few years ago when even more powerfull rounds and handguns were invented, like say, a S&W Mod 500.

    Is compared to an IDF .223 AR/M-16 Bullet a HUGE difference in both bullet velocity and impact is obtained. IDF .223 Bullets speed to target of unarmed innocent kids etc at aprox, 3200 to 3,400 FT per Sec. and….Wait for it idotic loser momus…..Has on avg an Impact of close to 1,300 FT Lbs.

    And due to bullet design/weight of 55 to 62 Gr’s….But traveling at such massive high speed, that IDF fired bullet hit within 300 Yards range does far greater body damages than even the .44 Mag will cause at as close range hit as, aprox 50-100 feet distance on same human body.

    I have owned more firearms that you can count, and maintain quite an efficient number at all times, I Carry a .45 Kimber Tach II handgun CCW style everywhere I go and always. And I have done so for 20-yrs now…..I know of what I write here. Many others here likely do also on issue of firearms eh….While Momus You know crap or Lie or prob. Both!

    IDF Don’t use a ruger or other make .22 rifle round period…Maybe in certain training excersizes, or other circumstances it has limited used….But daily Carry and use of IDF rifles are M-16 Full auto capable, or various Israeli made Powerfull rifles. Of same or similar bullet calibers……

    ALSO!! From various/several Yutube Videos with IDF snipers on that Hill, the rifle some, maybe many idf snipers have look Very Much like a Barret Manufactured, .50 Cal. Specialty Weapon Made for Long distance sniper use.

    Which means if I am correct, and IDF snipers are fireing a Barret or other brand of, .50 Cal bullet.

    That changes things tremendously….The Barret rifle fires EXACT Same .50 Cal. Bullet as was used in WWII, it weighs 750 Grains! thats Over one Tenth of a pound! (7,000 grains per pound).

    And when fired from either a WWII “Ma Duce” Top of Tank style Machine Gun, Or fired from a Barret Rifle, the 750 gr. bullet travels at velocity/speed of an avg of aprox. 2,700 to 3,000+ Ft per sec.!!!…..Which creates an Foot Pounds per Sq Inch Impact of around 13,500 Ft Lbs impact on a human body…..It can litterally Cut a person in Half, or Rip off a man size Leg or Arm!

    Barret .50 Cal are being used on reg basis by american and British snipers in Iraq and other mid east conflict zones…..The Range of so far, worlds longest Head shot Hit was fired by a British sniper a few years ago, fired from a Barret rifle, at distance of aprox….1+3/4 Mile!!

    That is One and Three Quarters of a Mile away from target head shot hit!

    But, a barret .50 cal can be and is typically used at far closer targets…Like IDF targeting small kids and adults and Nurses/Doctors well Marked with HUGE Red Cosses acros Backs and Chests vests.

    If IDF aint using a .50 Cal rifle, it is very likely a Lapua .338 Cal round that is very close in all aspects to a barret .50 cal. but has a Bit less recoil for operator(sniper or, idf murderers) felt recoil.

    Now take this accurate truth info on firearms etc and stick your head back into nuttyahoos jewish ass eh….

    ps: If an red carpet award was handed out here at unz for biggest and most arrogant Liar on forum, momus would win it, hands down bar none period, end of story no possible other competition for a Liar award than it be awarded to momus.

    • 回复: @Momus
  370. Karl 说:
    @Floda

    328 Floda > a monstrous fabrication to justify the existence of Israel

    i completely sympathize with your testimony.

    i just want you to be aware that in 1883, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda opened Jerusalem’s first Hebrew-speaking kindergarden at the Alliance Israelite school, for the express purpose of laying the foundation stones of the revival of a Hebrew-speaking republic

    The Hebrew Language Academy in Jerusalem has a very good collection of his original papers. You might enjoy a visit. They have a small building on the campus of Hebrew University. Parking a rental car is possible, but you’d probably find it easier to just ride a taxi.

  371. Wally 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Must read here on the Einsatzgruppen:

    Einsatzgruppen试用
    约翰·威尔(John Wear)
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5515/?lang=en

    前Einsatzgruppen成员拒绝大规模射击的怪异主张/ Babi Yar等
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

    !! 挖掘结果:巴比亚尔没有据称的巨大人类遗骸!! … 的
    课程

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  372. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    There we have it, Zionist Momus accepts that Zionist Moshe Peer survived SIX gassings ! 哈哈
    And do note that Momus has been unable to refute any of the ‘holocau\$t’ scam busting information I have posted in this thread.
    更多信息:
    火葬场的屋顶没有。 2 人在奥斯威辛集中营 / 所谓的“毒气室”
    Taken January/February 1943 where there are no little ‘chimneys’ / columns for the alleged insertion of Zyklon-B / cyanide.
    The ‘chimneys’ / columns are claimed to have been ca. 2 feet high. The snow is 2-3 inches high. According to Auschwitz “expert” Robert Jan Van Pelt, the ‘chimneys’ / insertion columns, which were said to protrude out from the roof, were added as an adaptation in August, 1942.

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

  373. Svigor 说:

    According to Adolf Eichmann, Chief of the Bureau for Jewish Affairs at the Reich Security Headquarters, in his 1983 Eichmann Interrogated (p. 75), it was in August or September 1941 that his boss “Heydrich sent for me. I reported. … He began with a little speech, then said, ‘The Führer has ordered physical extermination.’ These were his words. … The Führer had ordered the physical extermination of the Jews.”

    This may go to establishing Hitler’s responsibility for the Holocaust, but it does nothing to establish the validity of the charge itself. It’s like trying to prove a city has burned down based on something someone wrote in his diary.

    That said, how does one reconcile the two conflicting parts of the narrative: Hitler wanted the Jews exterminated, yet Nazi Germany didn’t manage to exterminate even the Jews they already had interned? It’s a well-known part of the narrative that the Nazi concentration camps were as much slave labor facilities as they were death camps – moreso, as only a few of the camps are now acknowledged as death camps, while (AFAICT) all of them were labor camps.

    Kill a man, or enslave him, these are distinct goals. Kill a man after enslaving him is a third goal, one that still contradicts the goal of simply killing a man.

    Hitler’s signature even appears on the document (630-PS) dated 1 September 1939 authorizing the “euthanasia” of the disabled and other “incurables.”

    Sounds consistent with the idea that the Holocaust is a hoax; Hitler’s signature can be produced on orders showing he authorized eugenics via euthenasia…but not for the disputed charges of genocide vs. Jews and other enemies of the state.

    The physicians had wanted that in writing, and got it.

    Sounds like editorializing. It’s much easier to sell people on the idea of euthanizing cripples in pain than healthy people. It was much moreso back in the days of eugenics.

    The second quoted paragraph does nothing to address the problem I pointed out; if all you have as evidence of a murder is, essentially, a death certificate (signed in wartime), you don’t have much evidence at all.

    Where are the corpses? Where are the remains of the cremated corpses? Why doesn’t anyone care to find the actual forensic evidence for the crime of the millennium? We can dig up evidence of the deaths caused by Mount Vesivius over a millennium ago, but a 20th century murder of 12 million people is beyond us?

    菲勒在自杀前的话-他对战争目标的最后的最高陈述-敦促他的人民继续战争,直到战胜他认为是唯一的真正敌人为止:“所有国家,国际上的毒药犹太人。” 他的仇敌是万国的犹太人。 这也揭示了为什么在大屠杀中被屠杀的犹太人中有96%以上不是来自德国。 我们确实将表明,对于希特勒而言,击败敌人无非是消灭了所有犹太人。

    I’m an anti-semite, too. I suppose that’s proof I murdered 12 million people?

    Speaking of, where’s all the evidence for the other 6m people that Hitler supposedly murdered? Isn’t it kind of odd that ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of these quotes are OBSESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED with the alleged genocide of Jews, despite the fact that JEWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSS only comprised HAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLFFFFFFF of the victims? That the other 6m (the ones Jews consider to be chopped liver, scheisse, not worth talking about) were non-Jews? Is it just a huge COOOOOOOHHHHHHENCIDENCE that they aren’t mentioned here? Is there a part deux for this article in the works, where all the Hitler confessions about exterminating the other 6m human beings are quoted?

    只是在说'。

    However, such expulsion was actually the intention and expectation of Hitler’s finance-chief, Hjalmar Schacht, and Hitler finally demoted him, perhaps for that very reason.

    Or perhaps for some other reason.

    but Irving simply dismissed that by saying: “There is no primary or secondary documentary support for such a statement. This kind of evidence, of course, would not suffice in an English magistrate’s court to convict a vagabond of bicycle stealing.”

    An eminently reasonable position.

    Moreover, skilled Jewish laborers, desperately needed in the munitions plants in occupied Poland, were carted off to extermination centers, in spite of strong objections by plant managers.”

    Why cart them anywhere? They’re bound for graves – where’s the need for transport? All the back and forth makes no sense, in the exterminationist context. Makes perfect sense in the revisionist context, though; moving around people you plan to kill at the earliest opportunity makes plenty of sense.

    How many camps did Anne Frank live in? Two? Three? We know she died in an infirmary (an odd amenity for a death camp)…

    How many camps did Elie Wiesel live in? Three? Only to ultimately survive to write fiction novels passed off as historical ones…

  374. Svigor 说:

    Just to be clear: I don’t “deny” the holocaust. That’s not how these things work.

    I find the holocaust narrative unconvincing.

    See the distinction? I don’t “deny” things I find unconvincing. I don’t believe in things first, then find good reason to believe them. I reserve my skepticism for 任何 topic that smells fishy, and boy does this one (i.e., yes, I accept a lot of stuff on faith; stuff that isn’t vigorously disputed in a rational way, stuff that is relatively well-supported and reasonable, stuff that doesn’t come wrapped in “believe this OR ELSE” packaging).

    I don’t “deny” the existence of Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny or Christ Risen. I just find the evidence for their existence unconvincing.

  375. Svigor 说:
    @Thomm

    He is way too generous. He says it is only ‘feelings’. I say it is outright, self-evident inferiority of defective whites relative to mainstream whites like me.

    “Hello, fellow Whites!” said the WOG.

    • 回复: @Thomm
  376. Svigor 说:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The goal of finding some place to “visit” that doesn’t have a 100% chance of deporting you back into the fire would seem a more reasonable, achievable one…

  377. Curle 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “had mad pseudo scientific ideas about heredity”

    Enough of the eugenics movement’s ideas have been validated as science in recent years that it might be time to retire the ‘pseudo-science’ dismissal. Depression, thought by the Nazis to be heritable, is now regarded as between 40-50% heritable. A recent paper on autism shows a greatly elevated risk for inter-racial couples.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  378. Svigor 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Textbook non-denial denial. Which is fine; it’s your right to hate Christianity.

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  379. Svigor 说:

    Doesn’t the deportation of Jewish women, children and old people strike you as difficult to explain innocently?

    This is really what orthodox narrativists think is compelling argument. “You were the last one seen alive with the victim” = “guilty beyond reasonable doubt, despite no physical evidence the alleged victim is even dead” in their minds, I guess.

    This kind of crap wouldn’t even get one American* convicted of one murder, never mind a whole country for 12 million murders.

    *No idea what ideas of jurisprudence are in Europe. Maybe this kind of thing is kosher over there.

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  380. renfro 说:
    @anon

    Anonymous commenters should be treated with caution

  381. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    ps: If an red carpet award was handed out here at unz for biggest and most arrogant Liar on forum, momus would win it, hands down bar none period, end of story no possible other competition for a Liar award than it be awarded to momus

    干得好:

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/21/israel-adopts-ruger-sr-22-in-less-lethal-sniper-role/

    Plenty more verification elsewhere that the IDF is firing low velocity rabbit shot.

    I’m surprised that as a Nazi Jew toilet cleaning janitor you don’t carry a P08 Luger holstered in your rectum.

  382. Art 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Israel’s government has made a calculation and consequent bet that inflicting hardship on Gaza residents as savage as they can get away with will eventually lead to Hamas being overthrown or transformed from within (almost certainly with violence) so that some sort of peace deal can be imposed – or another 15 years or so of negotiations spun out while the West Bank and Jerusalem are made unviable for a single Palestinian polity.

    Wiz — a very astute comment — Thanks — Peace — Art

  383. @Momus

    Please don’t spoil a promising start by sounding like a programmed propagandist. You can’t believe such BS. What does diplomatically reinforced even mean? It sounds like “OK boys, our diplomats have got your backs no matter how nasty it gets. Yes the full proper diplomat who’s an honest man sent abroad to lie for his country”. As for “lawyered” I felt embarrassed for the legal profession when I began reading the arguments in the relevant recent case in Israel.

    To get through the fence someone would need to cut a lot of wire with clearly visible tools or lay something like bangalore torpedoes and blow up the fence. Conceding that it wasn’t necessary to allow the burglar to break in before shooting him and that shooting someone non fatally would be acceptable once he had touched wirecutters to the fence or made ready to blow up the fence after tear gas had failed to deter where is your evidence for anything like those preconditions?

    The lawyering by the way would have been, from my brief glance at the arguments in court, technical ones based on international law as counsel attempted to expound it and had nothing to do with the common sense morality of the law of self defence as a defence to homicide except by coincidence. How can any sensible person honestly think that it was necessary for saving lives to shoot as the IDF did? And it doesn’t seem to be stupidity or inattention by government as in the case of the shooting up of everyone on the Turkish yacht off Gaza instead of despairinglytangling its propeller and pushing or towing it 50 miles offshore. The shootings were deliberate, rational (I presume), and calculated by government, from which I can only conclude that the long term reason for it is to try and bring down Hamas as offering the best hope of ultimate peace. If I were an Israeli minister I might, despairingly, conclude that there was no alternative.

    • 回复: @Momus
  384. Incitatus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “I remember seeing a program featuring a young German historian who had managed to get hold of, anyway listen to or read transcripts of, bugged conversations amongst German officers – mostly senior officers being held in comparative luxury and freedom in an English country house. The Wehrmacht generals couldn’t help knowing about the shooting and burning of Jews because they were Jews and spoke about it candidly, and junior officers (or NCOs: I forget) spoke of participation…”

    You have a good memory. Was he Sönke Neitzel? ‘Tapping Hitler’s Generals: Transcripts of Secret Conversations, 1942-1945’, London: Frontline, 2007?

    If so, the venue was Trent House in North London, where captive German officers were secretly recorded freely speaking amongst themselves without attendants. One such was General Dietrich von Choltitz, commander of Paris who refused Hitler’s order to destroy the city and surrendered it intact 25 Aug ’44. He served am Ost prior to being posted to Paris. His words (29 Aug ’44):

    “The worst job I ever carried out – which however I carried out with great consistency – was the liquidation of the Jews. I carried out this thoroughly and entirely.”

    Choltitz later (to his credit) added:

    “我们都有同感。 我们一切都顺其自然,我们半信半疑地对待纳粹,而不是说“让你和你的愚蠢废话见鬼去吧”。 我误导我的士兵相信这些垃圾。 我完全为自己感到羞耻。 也许我们比这些没有受过教育的动物更负罪感。”

    Wolfram Wette’s ‘The Wehrmacht’ documents institutional racism and criminal complicity. Many – not just the SS – knew about and helped in mass killing. Richard Rhodes ‘Masters of Death’ (the Einsatzgrüppen) is also valuable. Raul Hilberg’ ‘Destruction of the European Jews’ (Three Volumes). Gitta Sereny (‘Into that Darkness’, ‘Albert Speer’). There are dozens of other sources. Chilling indeed.

    Choltitz deserved great credit for saving Paris at risk of his own life. His candor on secret tapes understandably cancelled approbation. He died in ’66. Few others had such candor.

    All of this is to say yes, the Shoah happened. The evidence is overwhelming.

    Words from the perpetrators themselves – understandably rare after the Allies warned crimes would be prosecuted and unconditional surrender demanded – prove it.

  385. Pat Kittle 说:

    我不是大屠杀否认者!

    我不否认以色列对任何大屠杀负有责任。

  386. @j2

    Can you please post a link to your website?

    • 回复: @j2
  387. Incitatus 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    All of his “questions” (baiting, really) are moronic. Just like him [Incitatus].

    Golly, Mighty BM is back! What a treat! Correct me if I’m wrong:

    • “Baiting” makes you and fellow Bund members feel better about being unable to answer simple questions (e.g. why did Hitler order the destruction of Germany?) as you hold your nose and pump out the same sewerage;

    • “Moronic” is condemnation of those unwise enough to question your silly posts;

    Still working on your “involuntary assisted suicide” defense of Aktion T4? Something Galen and fellow Germans shut down?

    Yes, take a deep breath. No question it’s complex. Surely you’re up to it. Maybe Wally can help? What’s his hot-line number? 1-800-Dail-A-Nazi? Certainly a few more ‘it never happened’, ‘provide the original German’, ‘parse the original German’, ‘deny the original German’, [irrelevant cartoons and pictures], ‘they were traitors’, ‘everybody kills traitors’, ‘you’re a Zionist’ and ‘you’re a Jew’ directed towards me will help you feel better.

    More important, it’ll help Wally keep his job. That’s the most important thing, isn’t it?

    No need to thank me Wally.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  388. Allan 说:

    Thank you, Eric Zuesse, for your hypocritical miniscreed. Now I will return to my copy of 希特勒的战争 by the evil meanie “Aryan” (“i.e., pureblood Christian”) David Irving.

    You can, if you like, download a fresh copy from http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/index.html. If not, recall nonetheless a headline which appeared in the 每日快报 and is depicted on p. 9 of Irving’s book:

    犹大宣战德国
    Jews Of All The World Unite In Action

    The photograph of the Daily Express is accompanied by the remark,

    An unpromising start: On March 24, 1933 international Jewish organisations proclaim ‘war’ on Hitler’s Germany

    1933.

    Jistc

    • 回复: @Art
  389. Pat Kittle 说:

    Never forget!!

    9-11 – ISRAEL DID IT:
    - (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it ]

    Never forget!!

    • 回复: @Momus
  390. Bukowski 说:

    David Irving has been banned from entering Australia since 1993 because of his views on WW2. The Keating government enacted the ban then in 1996 the newly elected Howard government kept it in place and Irving has been banned ever since. These are the same politicians who like to lecture other countries on human rights – China, Iran, Zimbabwe, etc – yet they don’t even believe in the right to free speech. These same politicians in Australia had said only a few years earlier that free speech was sacrosanct in light of Salman Rushdie and his book The Satanic Verses. What a bunch of hypocrites and frauds they turned out to be.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/2417/
    https://codoh.com/library/document/2464/

  391. Art 说:
    @Allan

    An unpromising start: On March 24, 1933 international Jewish organisations proclaim ‘war’ on Hitler’s Germany

    What year did international Jewry declare war on America. 1948?

    The one sided war is in full bloom – but the American people do not yet know it.

    That knowledge is coming.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

  392. @EliteCommInc.

    this ” holocaust” was pushed by the usa after ww2. the reasons for the usa is geopolitics. the reasons for the jews is obvious.

    think those countries you listed were in any position to deny or fight “it”?

    after 7 decades of lying, think they can fight it now? kekeke 😛

    but ppl who cares can easily find it, like most of the posters here on unz.

  393. @Thomm

    This is straight of out of the CultMarx playbook. The Frankfurt School’s most successful and most fraudulent contribution to political discourse was “Our political enemies are not just wrong, they’re mentally defective.” The supposedly “scientifically proven” this in their magnum opus, 偏见研究, a mix of Freudian pseudoscience and questions preselected or discarded in order to obtain a desired result. And your comment fits the template perfectly.

    Once you know about this rhetorical technique, you see it everywhere. The terms “racist”, “homophobic”, “xenophobic”, “islamophobic”, “transphobic”, etc. all imply that the people it’s directed at are mentally ill. In other words, “Don’t listen to him, he’s crazy.” This is a perfect way to dismiss an argument without having to engage it. What’s easier? Using facts and logic to dismantle someone’s point, or just say “You’re crazy, I win.” Apparently you prefer the latter.

    Adorno, Horkheimer, Lowenthal, Bettelheim, et al (unabashed Marxists all) published this fraud in 1950 and it was immediately embraced by the academic community and, by now, this is the standard method of argumentation by the left, regardless of the topic. Whenever I hear this rhetoric, I immediately know who is really the mentally defective one. Like I said, once you know about it, it’s everywhere.

  394. @Incitatus

    Thanks. Yes. There are so many commenters on UR whose brains stopped taking anything in decades ago, or at latest 9/11 plus about 2.

    I see it is a 2007 program. Yes I have a good memory but you ought to try it out on 1907 🙂

  395. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    I haven’t followed the 大屠杀 revisionism movement for a while, and just became aware of this today. This is a pretty big deal, I believe:

    Eric Hunt is No Longer a Holocaust Denier

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/02/eric-hunt-is-no-longer-holocaust-denier.html

    The following web page (and the entire blog/website) is not available online anymore, but, fortunately, it was archived:

    线的末端

    First archived link: http://archive.is/DoGTn

    Second archived link, with additional comments in the comments section: http://archive.is/VHuuo


    The extreme end of “Revisionism” also called “Holocaust denial” which denies gassings and mass murders by bullets is entirely predicated on having the open minded skeptic ignore the most central issue of “The Holocaust”. We know Jews able to be used for forced labor were transited in large numbers through Auschwitz to other labor camps and often survived the war. Their existence is often touted by Revisionists as proof of a hoax, but actually fits today’s official story.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  396. @kikl

    Hitler reached the Haavara Agreement with German Jews in 1933 because he wasn’t even nearly ready to spring the Holocaust. He would need to have been stupid to have done otherwise — holding off “lowering the boom” until Jews were trapped, which they certainly weren’t, yet, in 1933. Hitler was not a stupid person. And, as I shall document in an upcoming article (which Ron Unz just now declined but will be published fairly soon elsewhere), Hitler, on 28 November 1941, told the Grand Mufti of Palestine, that he was first going to wipe out all Jews in Europe, and then, as the very next step, appoint that Mufti and arm his forces to wipe out all Jews not only in Palestine but throughout the Arabic lands. In that document, Hitler also said that the war will not be won until all Jews everywhere have been eliminated. You trust what Hitler said to some rich Jews in 1933 in order to extract as much of their wealth up front — even long before WW II — as possible; you ignore his promise to the Grand Mufti, to empower him to wipe out all Jews in Palestine, and more besides. He lied to Germany’s Jews in 1933, but he told the truth to the Grand Mufti on 28 November 1941. He wasn’t as stupid as you think (presuming, of course, that you don’t think yourself to be stupid for having fallen for it).

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @FKA Max
    , @L.K
    , @Svigor
  397. @Curle

    I was referring to Hitler’s “science”. Unfortunately, while almost every sensible family tried to practise de facto eugenics – Jews and Jane Austen characters apart from the sillier girls especially – the science wasn’t really science till well after WW2 (apart perhaps from avoiding syphilitics or the Fragile X syndrome as it later became known as examples of the obvious).

    • 回复: @Momus
  398. Mulegino1 说:

    The British did not have recording technology for such clear, surreptitious recordings of individuals in such a venue before the end of the war in 1945. The Germans did, with their magneto tape. So did the Finnish officer who recorded Hitler and Mannerheim in the relatively confined space of the railway car, but not the British. The recording equipment would have stuck out like a sore thumb, and only morons would have made such statements in captivity anyway.

    This reminds me of this episode of the Andy Griffith show:

  399. @FKA Max

    We’ll never know all of the reasons behind Hunt’s decision, although his history suggests he wasn’t entirely stable to begin with. Suffice to say, nothing in his recantation refutes any of the revisionist work he himself did (to say nothing of others), so it’s safe to say some kind of pressure or coercion was employed against him.

    • 回复: @L.K
  400. Anonymous[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @Svigor

    Are you such a confident expert on whatever you give your firm opinions on but can’t manage to indicate who you are replying to?

    You are obviously no expert on the law beyond Perry Mason stories or watching Real Crime dramas.

    There is the law of evidence and there are elements which in the end tip a jury’s verdict or a judge’s finding without being all the evidence. Why did the wife beating stepfather send all of them up to the attic to sort some things out just before he started mending the boiler which blew up and caused a catastrophic fire? You are a dope.

    • 回复: @Svigor
  401. @Mulegino1

    You’re referring to the German officers who allegedly talked freely about mass killings of Jews while in British captivity? Yeah, the whole story is a crock, the fact that even the “jurists” at Nuremberg wouldn’t accept it tells you all you need to know about its veracity.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @L.K
    , @Anonymous
  402. @Svigor

    Another ad-hominem and thoroughly false reader-comment. I had expected better (and far more intelligent) reader-comments at this site. Wow, was I wrong.

    • 回复: @Svigor
  403. Anonymous[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @Mulegino1

    If you know the story of Bletchley House (Enigma etc) you will know that you are talking through your hat. A whole program is made that tells the story in detail and you don’t think its producers – not to mention any financiers – would be conscious of anything so elementary as an error like describing Aztecs using wheeled vehicles to cart their victims away
    Duh! Dopey.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  404. @Eric Zuesse

    What reason did Ron give for refusing your article? Just length? Just curious.

    • 回复: @L.K
  405. Anonymous[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Was the evidence tendered and rejected? Evidence and properly cited sources or just what you rely on please. As you would know Bletchley House kept its secrets for many years after the war. None of its transcripts were used at Nuremberg were they?

  406. Miro23 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    First of all I would say that they weren’t secret conversations. They were just conversations mostly transcribed in the evenings between July 1941 and November 1944 (the greater part to September 1942) at his two Eastern headquarters, Rastenburg (Wolfschanze) in East Prussia and later at Winnitza (Werwolf) in the Ukraine.

    1953 edition: Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944 with an introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London.

    The main points that I can find with regard to the Jews are:

    (145) “Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow.” (180) “Although the Jew has seized the levers of control in the Anglo-Saxon world (the press, the cinema, the radio, economic life), and although in the United States he is the entire inspiration of the populace, especially of the negroes, the bourgeois of the two countries with the rope already around their necks, tremble at the idea of rebelling against him, even timidly. What is happening now in the Anglo-Saxon world is absolutely identical with what we experienced here in 1918.” (63) “Simply the Jew has put a religious camouflage over his racial doctrine.” (119) “For my part I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. … but if they refuse to go voluntarily , I see no other solution but extermination.”

    (180) “As far as we’re concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.” (50) “If I try to gauge my work, I must consider, first of all, that I’ve contributed, in a world that has forgotten the notion, to the triumph of the idea of the primacy of race. Second I’ve given German supremacy a solid cultural foundation.” … “I believe blindly in my nation. If I lost that belief we would have nothing left to do but shut up shop.”

    The relevant phrase seems to be, “For my part I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. … but if they refuse to go voluntarily , I see no other solution but extermination.”

    • 回复: @L.K
  407. Mulegino1 说:

    Exactly! I don’t know why the comment did not record as a reply to- who was it- Incitatus? The whole thing is comical. Yeah, we German officers are going to go around confessing to big “hidden microphones” that we were mass murdering sex offenders?

    In retrospect, the Allies were stupid, since they did not understand that technology would one day catch up with them and expose their lies and propaganda.

  408. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Eric Zuesse

    Please, share the link to that article here with us once it is available online, since I’m highly interested in your research and conclusion. Thank you.

    My personal reading of Hitler and the persecution and extermination of Jews is that he never wanted Jews to be exterminated in the beginning, but preferred emigration, see my comments here https://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/#comment-2375796 和这里 https://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/#comment-2375504 , but once the war effort in the East turned against him he was radicalized and rhetoric turned into reality and revenge.

    XNUMXD压花不锈钢板 Battle of Moscow seems to be the tuning point and coincides with his increasing radicalization on the “Jewish Question”:

    Once large numbers of German soldiers died in the East, I think, he became very angry, frustrated and radicalized and looked for scapegoats, which speaks to and proves his mental and emotional instability, irrationality and immaturity, in my opinion:

    By late October, the German forces were worn out, with only a third of their motor vehicles still functioning, infantry divisions at third- to half-strength, and serious logistics issues preventing the delivery of warm clothing and other winter equipment to the front. Even Hitler seemed to surrender to the idea of a long struggle, since the prospect of sending tanks into such a large city without heavy infantry support seemed risky after the costly capture of Warsaw in 1939.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow#Wehrmacht_advance_towards_Moscow_(1_November_%E2%80%93_5_December)

    This is his statement is from 10月25日,1941:

    This criminal race has the two million dead from the World War on its conscience, now again hundreds of thousands. No one can say to me: we can’t send them in the morass! Who then cares about our people? It is good if the terror we are exterminating Jewry goes before us.

    https://www.unz.com/article/against-david-irvings-view-of-hitler/#comment-2375796

    其次是:

    Hitler, on 28 1941十一月, told the Grand Mufti of Palestine, that he was first going to wipe out all Jews in Europe, and then, as the very next step, appoint that Mufti and arm his forces to wipe out all Jews not only in Palestine but throughout the Arabic lands.

    This chronology makes sense to me.

    Had Moscow fallen and/or surrendered he might have never focused on Jews to the extent he did once his military campaign on the eastern front started to unravel:

    According to scholars Christian Gerlach and Peter Monteath, among others, the pivotal moment for Hitler’s decision came on December 12, 1941, at a secret meeting with some 50 Nazi officials, including Joseph Goebbels (Nazi minister of propaganda) and Hans Frank (governor of occupied Poland). Though no written documents of the meeting survive, Goebbels described the meeting in his journal on December 13, 1941:

    With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn’t just a catchword… If the German people have now again sacrificed 160,000 dead on the eastern front, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay with their lives.=

    In addition to Goebbels’s diary entry, historians cite the notes of German diplomat Otto Brautigam, who on December 18, 1941, wrote that “as for the Jewish question, oral discussions have taken place [and] have brought about clarification.=

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/first-moments-hitlers-final-solution-180961387/

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    , @utu
    , @FKA Max
  409. Mulegino1 说:
    @Anonymous

    A “whole program” was made that was total bullshit. The somnolent proles of Airstrip 1 and Oceania would have believed in NAZI ARIAN SPACE CADET EVIL KUNG FU MASTERS if the press would have published such crap.

    The fact is that they could not have made these recordings surreptitiously because they did not have the technology to do so. They could have bugged phones using bugs and dictabelts. But they could not have used their then current technology to have made detailed recordings of background conversations using such primitive methods. We have one such recording made by the Finnish officer on magneto tape within a confined space. Neither the British nor the Americans could have achieved this at the time.

  410. utu 说:
    @FKA Max

    David Irving on Table Talks

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/TableTalk010104.html
    They were expertly, and literately, translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, though with a few (a very few) odd interpolations of short sentences which don’t exist in the original — the translator evidently felt justified in such insertions, to make the context plain.

    在我看来,Table Talks 的内容比希特勒的《我的奋斗》更重要,甚至可能比他的 Zweites Buch (1928) 更重要。 这是纯粹的希特勒。 他几乎阐述了太阳底下的每一个主题,而他的将军和私人工作人员则耐心地坐着,或者假装听他们的独白。

    However Irving did not have access to all German originals:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/Table_Talk/Irving_memoirs.html
    He did provide me with the original German texts of the several Table Talks that I used in Hitler’s War

  411. L.K 说:
    @Miro23

    Still peddling this BS, huh?

    Genoud,Heim&Picker的“餐桌谈话”:学术欺诈和丑闻研究
    维罗妮卡·克拉克(Veronica Clark)
    抽象

    Hitler’s Table Talk is a worthless primary source. There, I said it. And I’m not just saying this to evoke a reaction. I’m saying it because I really mean it. The renowned “Hitler expert” Lord Dacre, better known as Hugh Trevor-Roper, knowingly and willingly engaged in a massive cover-up regarding Hitler’s Table Talk (hereafter TT).[1] Had it not been for the outstanding research at the low cost of just \$50 taken up by historian Richard Carrier,[2] we might still be in the dark about this, 64 years after TT’s first appearance in the English language. Sorry to bust this bubble, Hitler and Third Reich enthusiasts, but TT is worthless. In this article, I will establish three things: 1) that Hugh Trevor-Roper knowingly and willingly engaged in academic fraud for profit and prestige, 2) that TT is a worthless primary source, and 3) that renowned Hitler “experts”, both revisionist and mainstream, have failed the public regarding reliable Hitler primary sources.

    …Nilsson’s research uncovered that there is no original German manuscript for TT as it currently exists. The English edition of TT is in fact a mish-mash of Genoud’s French version (which was back-translated into German!), 40 pages of Heim’s notes (which have not yet been authenticated),[29] and Henry Picker’s notes and embellishments of some of Heim’s notes (also for which there is no original manuscript). The only original transcripts we have are a stack of 40 pages of stenographer Heinrich Heim’s notes, which were seized by the Allies and placed in the Library of Congress.

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4880

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Miro23
  412. L.K 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    My guess bc it is GARBAGE, just like this one.

  413. L.K 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Beefcake the Mighty to Mulegino

    You’re referring to the German officers who allegedly talked freely about mass killings of Jews while in British captivity? Yeah, the whole story is a crock, the fact that even the “jurists” at Nuremberg wouldn’t accept it tells you all you need to know about its veracity

    的确。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  414. L.K 说:
    @Mulegino1

    The British did not have recording technology for such clear, surreptitious recordings of individuals in such a venue before the end of the war in 1945. The Germans did, with their magneto tape. So did the Finnish officer who recorded Hitler and Mannerheim in the relatively confined space of the railway car, but not the British. The recording equipment would have stuck out like a sore thumb, and only morons would have made such statements in captivity anyway.

    没错。

  415. L.K 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    哈哈哈哈哈

    Oh my, the holohoax industry needs to hire this Eric Zuesse guy!! hahha, a real clown without the makeup.

    Thanks again for the laughs.

  416. L.K 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    We’ll never know all of the reasons behind Hunt’s decision, although his history suggests he wasn’t entirely stable to begin with. Suffice to say, nothing in his recantation refutes any of the revisionist work he himself did (to say nothing of others), so it’s safe to say some kind of pressure or coercion was employed against him.

    Exactly. Besides, his ‘recantation’ is a freaking joke in view of his own videos!!

    The level of dirty tactics used by holohoax enforcers is beyond belief.

    I myself had a very strange experience a while ago that leads me to believe that besides pressure/coercion, enticements & infiltration by moles are also used.

  417. j2 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Sure, Mighty. Scroll to Holocaust controversy. I made only some demographic calculations to check myself if 6M are missing. There are experts, but then can one trust them, so I trusted only myself
    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/categories-kategoriat/

  418. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    错字 : The Battle of Moscow seems to be the *turning* 观点… This is his statement *[]* from Oct. 25, 1941…

    Very interesting and more confirmation:

    Otto Bräutigam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Br%C3%A4utigam

    Christian Gerlach claims and proves that Adolf Hitler made known his fundamental decision for the complete annihilation of the European Jews on December 12, 1941. On this day, Hitler spoke in his private rooms of the Reich Chancellery to around 50 Reich and Gau leaders, the supreme leadership of the NSDAP [Nazi party]. Almost all occupied offices of the State as well. The meeting was announced on the 9th by telegram for the 10th, that day postponed until the 11th and then again postponed to the following day. Heydrich had sent his invitations to the Wannsee Conference on November 29 and then set the date of the conference for December 9. On December 8, he postponed it for an unspecified time. Only a month later, the new invitations went out – for January 20, 1942.

    Even the parallelism of the events gives Hitler’s speech a certain weight. But what weight, when the first invitation to the Wannsee Conference had been already sent 14 days previously? The postponement followed, one could assert, the political confusion that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor – not desired by the German leadership – had caused. But Gerlach substantiates with convincing details that the originally planned Wannsee Conference had had an entirely different theme as that which actually took place six weeks later. It had only been anticipated to discuss problems that occurred with the deportations of the (Greater) German Jews. These had begun on October 15, under the pressure of the Lord Mayors, Gauleiters and government presidents, following an expressed approval of Hitler, that according to Himmler’s agenda dates to September 17. The destination train stations were Lodz, Riga, Kaunas, Minsk. The difficulties and tension were enormous: they involved the precise differentiation between the so-called full and half Jews, protests from the population for the retention of those who worked in the armaments industry, questions of property, the tempo and priorities of the “resettlements.” Only after Hitler’s speech of December 12 was Heydrich able, as Gerlach shows, to broaden the theme and fix a conference on the “Final Solution of the European Jewish question.”

    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/december-12-1941/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/s1165

    I think this, conclusively, proves that Hitler never intended to systematically exterminate European Jewry prior to the autumn/fall of 1941.

  419. @Wally

    A rather long comment on what happened in Germany from 1870 to the deportations was refused here.
    But in essence it all is quite simple.
    In 1933 jews declared war on Germany, Hitler doing what Hungary already had done in the thirties, reducing jewish influence, FDR was brought into politics to wage this war.
    In 1939 Hitler warned jewry that ‘if they again would start a world war, they might be ausgerottet themselves’.
    The war came, Hitler began executing his threat, deportation to work camps.
    Arbeit macht Frei, work(ing) liberates.
    The Final Solution was to be deportation from these camps to Madagaskar, where, isolated, jews would have to take care of themselves, no longer being able te be parasites.
    Deaths in the camps, mainly the result of the self management in the camps.
    The camp situation deteriorated to more than horrible from early 1945 on, when USA fighter bombers made any transport impossible.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  420. Momus 说:
    @Pat Kittle

    没有

    Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda did it.

    19 Arabs who learnt to steer Jumbo jets crashed the planes.

    • 回复: @Robjil
    , @Art
  421. How we fooled the Palestinians:
    ‘Het beroofde land’, Anja Meulenbelt, 2000, Amsterdam. ‘Beroofde land’ literally is ‘robbed country’, it’s a ‘pun’ on ‘the promised country’, ‘het beloofde land’.
    342页
    Uri Savir ‘The Process’, 1999.
    Savir led the Israeli delegation in Oslo.
    According to Meulenbelt the book is extraordinary honest, ‘absolute minimum of concessions of land’.
    As I stated, I did not read it.

  422. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    To get through the fence someone would need to cut a lot of wire with clearly visible tools or lay something like bangalore torpedoes and blow up the fence. Conceding that it wasn’t necessary to allow the burglar to break in before shooting him and that shooting someone non fatally would be acceptable once he had touched wirecutters to the fence or made ready to blow up the fence after tear gas had failed to deter where is your evidence for anything like those preconditions?

    Remember that Israel is dealing with a terrorist organization with a history of horrific, indiscriminatory violence against civilian children, women and men (and their pets) and whose stated aim at these fence protests was to break through to murder Israelis. They are not burglars after jewellery and they have signalled their lethal intentions.

    Given Gazan’s being forewarned over many years of the consequences of breaching the border, those who approached had themselves and the debased, bearded morons of Hamas to blame.

    The Marvi Marmara 6 boat flotilla was organised by ‘humanitarians’ who turned out to be the Turkish arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and were armed with clubs and knives.

    When the the Israelis landed on the Marmara armed only with paint ball guns they were savagely attacked; so they called reinforcements and responded as soldiers do to attempts on their lives. The bearded morons have not tried that stunt again.

  423. Anyone using the ‘Table Talks’ book allegedly quoting Hitler should mention the controversies with that title, especially the English version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

    “Richard Evans expresses caution when using the English edition, describing it as “flawed (and in no sense ‘official’)” and adding that it needed to be compared to the 1980 German edition to ensure it was accurate before being used.[24] Ian Kershaw also notes that the English edition is imperfect, with a tendency to miss words, leave out lines, or include phrases not found in the German text.[25] He uses the original German sources for preference, advising “due caution” in using the English translations.[26]

    “In 2016, historian Mikael Nilsson argued that Trevor-Roper failed to disclose source-critical problems, including evidence that significant portions of the English translation were translated directly from Genoud’s French edition and not the original German Bormann-Vermerke as claimed by Trevor-Roper in his preface. Nilsson maintains that this information was likely known to Trevor-Roper because it was laid out in the publishing contract that the “translation into English will be made on the basis of the French version by François Genoud”. Nilsson concludes that “the translation process was highly doubtful; the history of the manuscript from conception to publication is mysterious at best, and it is impossible to be sure that the majority of the entries are in fact authentic (that is, actual statements by Hitler as opposed to things he could have said)”.[11] For this reason, Nilsson argues that Hitler should not be listed as its author because it is not clear “how much of it is Hitler’s words as they were spoken, and how much is a product of the later recollection and editing process”.[11]”

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  424. @animalogic

    They were often stripped of assets and likely to arrive in foreign countries impoverished – not a great start to exile. Those who stayed were often the relatively poor or those who had assets they did not want to lose and who optimistically hoped it would all blow over.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  425. @L.K

    F.J.P.Veale, ‘Der Barbarei entgegen, Wie der Rückfall in die Barbarei durch Kriegsführung und Kriegsverbrecherprozesse unsere Zukunft bedroht, Wiesbaden,1962 ( Advance to Barbarism, How the Reversion to Barbarism in Warfare and War-Trials Menaces Our Future, Appleton Wisconsin, 1953, London, 1948, nom de plume ´a Jurist’)

  426. @jilles dykstra

    忘了说
    《基督教与匈牙利犹太人的大屠杀》,Moshe Y Herclz,1993年,纽约大学出版社
    Jewish power in Hungary well described.
    After jews were no longer allowed to work with newspapers not a single one could be published any more.
    Is this why Soros tries to destroy Hungarian culture ?

  427. Anonymous [AKA "Twin Ruler"] 说:

    Eric Zuesse has got one thing right: Daniel Goldhagen is every bit as Tribal as David Irving.

  428. @Momus

    请允许我为您解决此问题:

    “Remember that Israel IS a terrorist organization with a history of horrific, indiscriminatory violence against civilian children, women and men (and their pets) ”

  429. Robjil 说:
    @Momus

    Here is what an Ex- head of Mossad thinks about Al Qaeda. He said that Israel was never was attacked by Al Qaeda, so Israelis help Al Qaeda in Syria. The interviewer says Al Qaeda “attacked” your main ally – the US.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Momus
  430. Robjil 说:

    The biggest barrier in this H and J game is the “otherness” game. In March 2015, when Netanyahu spoke to congress – the members of congress clapped for 90 percent of the time that he was speaking. Ron Paul was scolded for not clapping enough.

    This otherness game is broken now. DNA results are good way to break it. Most Ashkenazis are the product of Gentile Roman women and Middle Eastern men. This intermixing happened in the late Roman Empire.
    If one needs to clap for a Half- Italian. Why not clap for full an Italian PM 90 percent of his speech too? Why not give Italy tons of money? It would help Italy greatly to restore its many old towns.

    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/

  431. @Uebersetzer

    There of course many stories of Jews who survived the war in Germany without counting Mischlings and others who escaped notice. Typically I suppose WW1 veterans, especially if married to gentile. Large sophisticated cities safest partly because there were more of the upper middle class and old aristocratic sophisticated Germans who despised Nazis and had Jewish friends. I stayed with a German family of minor aristocratic background who had a big house in Potsdam during WW2 before they loaded up their books and escaped in a truck from the Comms. They told me they hid Jews in their cellar(s) and I believed them – and still do.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  432. @Robjil

    An interesting interview which I think your summary misrepresents. He expressed a general proposition about treating people humanely – e.g. the wounded, though he did seem to distinguish Hezbollah.

    What I found very interesting was that he described Hamas as willing to talk!! Not the line taken when justifying the shooting of Hamas ruled Gaza residents recently. Do you know when this interview took place?

    • 回复: @Robjil
  433. @L.K

    Like Wally you seem to have forgotten or not noticed what Veronica Clark said and did not say. She in no way discredits the Cameron & Stevens 3rd Edition of Hitler’s Table Talk which was the one cited by SomeGuy above. Of course the record isn’t verbatim but as part of the evidence for historical interpretation of events and decisions it has to rate high.

    • 巨魔: L.K
  434. @Henry Barth

    What about Cameron & Stevens 3rd Edition which was the one cited by SomeGuy above?

  435. Robjil 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The video came out in May 2016. So it was done probably sometime in early 2016. He mentioned that Al Qaeda never attacked Israel, so Israel has no problem helping Al Qaeda in Syria. So, it wasn’t about humaneness. The interviewer was perplexed and said Al Qaeda “attacked” your best ally – the US. Though, the Ex- head of Mossad had no humaneness for Hezbollah fighters in Syria. It is ironic now that he said Israel would talk to Hamas. Is Hamas another Israeli creation like Al Qaeda?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  436. @Robjil

    Exactly alike. Israel had nothing to do with creating either. I presume that was what you were saying in ironical form.

    You omitted express notice of my pointing out that he suggested Hamas was willing to talk. It was not just Israel wanting to talk.

  437. Momus 说:
    @Robjil

    Here is what an Ex- head of Mossad thinks about Al Qaeda. He said that Israel was never was attacked by Al Qaeda, so Israelis help Al Qaeda in Syria. The interviewer says Al Qaeda “attacked” your main ally – the US.

    Yes thanks for that I’m sure you were pleased as well to hear that Israel has it’s own regional interests and will follow them rather than the US line.

    He also made the point about Israel’s humanity towards it’s injured enemies who she treats with the best western medical care. One of the reasons why she has the grudging respect of her adversaries and governments generally in the Mid East.

    That interview was March 28 2016 so quite recent but not contemporary.

  438. Anonymous[341]• 免责声明 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Would Professor Sönke Neitzel et al’s Soldaten be the “crock” you refer to?

    You can buy it cheap on Amazon

    描述
    产品描述
    ‘A goldmine of information about what the German High Command privately thought of the war, Adolf Hitler, the Nazis and each other’ – Andrew Roberts

    ‘One of the most important books on World War II to be published in the last thirty years’ – Tim Newark

    Between 1939 and 1942, a division of the British Directorate of Military Intelligence created a number of PoW interrogation camps in and around London. Sophisticated tapping equipment was installed and secret gramophone recording were made of private conversations between senior German staff officers.

    In this extraordinary work Professor Neitzel examines these transcripts in depth for the first time. His findings are truly revealing and address important questions regarding the officers’ attitudes towards the German leadership and Nazi policies: How did the German generals judge the overall war situation? From what date did they consider it lost? How did they react to the attempt on Hitler’s life in July 1944? What knowledge did they have of the atrocities?

    By turns insightful and horrifying, this unprecedented research is a must for any serious scholar of the period and anyone interested in exploring the truth behind the image of an ‘unblemished Wehrmact’.

    评论
    “A goldmine of information about what the German High Command privately thought of the war, Adolf Hitler, the Nazis and each other. . . . Attempts to suggest that genocide was solely the responsibility of the SS and Nazi fanatics, and not widespread across the whole Wehrmacht, completely collapse before the evidence of these recordings.” ( –The Daily Mail (London))

    “An outstanding work.” ( -Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung)

    关于作者
    SÖNKE NEITZEL is Professor of International History at the London School of Economics**, having also held positions at the universities of Glasgow, Saarbrucken, Bern and Mainz. He is the author of seven books, including the best-selling Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing and Dying and appeared on the major Channel 4 documentary Spying on Hitler’s Army.

    **now back in Germany as Professor of Military History

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  439. Thea 说:
    @anonymous

    What??? Are you saying it was less a crime to kill Russian grandmas and babies because Hitler also said some unflattering things about Jews as a group?

    With the constant stream of anti-white nonsense ( often written by or promoted by Jews) there is no moral high ground held by Jews here. Other groups suffered, often in greater
    数字。

  440. Art 说:
    @Momus

    Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda did it.

    19 Arabs who learnt to steer Jumbo jets crashed the planes.

    Scratch 9/11 and it bleeds Jew!

    认为和平—不伤害—艺术

    • 回复: @Them Guys
    , @Momus
  441. The Holocaust is a brand like Heinz 57.

    One can no more be a “Holocaust denier” than a Heinz 57 denier.

  442. Roy 说:

    Pathetic. Maybe the author should have consulted — http://www.codoh.comhttp://www.jan27.org

    What he truly needs is — https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

  443. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have read that German Jews were the ones who had the greatest chance of surviving the war–staying in Germany in one way or another.

    • 回复: @Momus
  444. Them Guys 说:
    @Art

    Art: Jewry has turned the entire worlds nations into a massive, mass of huge infected sores. Peel back any nations sore’s covering Scab, and what you find/see is international jewry dwelling deep within the sore’s poisonous Puss.

    This may explain most jews’ huge fetish and obsession with always turning every tv sit com or comedy act etc into a, non stop mentions of perverse wordings. Such as how todays jew produced tv shows have as every other word the actors speak as “shit-piss-fag/shit/piss/dyke lezbo/fag piss shit etc etc etc etc…….And the more they dwell in the shit and piss, the more like a sores poisonous Puss jewry becomes eh. It must reflect the jewish plans of Tikkun Olem aka jewish Repair of the world!

    Similar to when Janet Reno/Hillary/Bubba Klinton et al. Decided how in order to “Save them Children’s at WACO Church Compound, they First would have to BURN it down totally, and Machine Gun Down every survivor that dared exit building due to Fire.”

    Jewry Ups it one better….Use Samson option of Nukes to burn down world so jews can then “Repair” it huh? The longer I live, the more I learn about jewry, and the More I realize that what so Many others, famous or not, have stated about the jew in general….The more it is proven as truth and factual. How in todays instant info age internet ability, anybody can possibly still defend all things jewish or Israel is the big Mystery of Our era and times no?

  445. @Anonymous

    That this Neitzel is welcome in present Germany, why does it not surprise me ?
    I know about this spying, as far as I know nothing new came to the attention of the British.
    When is Britain going to make public the May 1941 Hess documents ?

    • 同意: L.K
  446. @jilles dykstra

    Right. What puzzles me are the several cases of Jews who were in KZ like Auschwitz and said afterwards that they never heard about gas cammers until after the war. You can read about them in the mainstream media. One of them is Laszlo Bernath , another is Hedi Bohm. (I have to see if I spelled the names correctly). There are several other stories which are difficult to explain (cant write more now with a smartphone). I would like to have an explanation that makes sense of those cases.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @utu
  447. @Incitatus

    Choltitz, a noble German; he defied orders and saved Paris.

    Someone remind me: who was Choltitz’s Allied counterpart, the noble Allied general who defied orders and refused to bomb Dresden?

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Wally
    , @Incitatus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  448. peterAUS 说:
    @Momus

    同意。

    The Wizard, in spite of being a real heavyweight here, makes a fundamental error, IMHO: he approaches the issue as, say, sophisticated upper class Westerner discussing the power of the state. Say, one of Five Eyes (or similar).

    Israel doesn’t have such luxury.

    The game is totally at another level, from both sides, there. Hamas member isn’t an armed criminal in West. Not even a terrorist cell in West.

    Just next, much more brutal, level.

    Now, I am sure that the element of lack of professionalism was/is/will be playing role there too.
    IDF shooters there weren’t SASR or similar; IDF is simply different force from Western armies.

    Plus, it would be interesting (I know it’s imposssible, PERSEC) to know were those shooters actually from those very areas where Hamas was trying to breach into.
    Like, a shooter has a family several KMs behind the line.
    Makes a lot of difference in that decision to “pull”. And where to aim.

    无论如何。

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Svigor
    , @daniel le mouche
  449. utu 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Or who refused to defend Warsaw in 1939 or Rotterdam in 1940 and avoided bombing of the cities and save many civilians.

  450. Momus 说:
    @Skeptikal

    I have read that German Jews were the ones who had the greatest chance of surviving the war–staying in Germany in one way or another.

    Hiding in a cellar for 6 years?

  451. Wally 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Choltitz, a noble German; he defied orders and saved Paris.”

    What orders? Show them.

    It’s amazing that by simply asking for proof is all that’s required to shoot down the Zionist propaganda about WWII.

    http://www.codoh.com

  452. Momus 说:
    @Art

    Scratch 9/11 and it bleeds Jew!

    How so Art?

  453. Wally 说:
    @Uncommonground

    Also note that not a single British Bletchley Park intercept of secret German messages to and from Auschwitz and the so called ‘death camps’ never mention gas chambers, killing Jews, or anything holocaust-like.

    There are many which do mention transporting large numbers of Jews out of these labor camps.

    另请注意,保留的出站列车记录已消失,而入站记录则没有。

    So called “holocaust eyewitnesses” making absurd, impossible, and contradictory claims is the rule not the exception.

    Who benefits? Who profits?

    多得多: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7581

    http://www.codoh.com

  454. @Wally

    Here I found it, on page 53 of my book, the quotation and the source where I had found it (and from which I provided the English translation) and then on page 68, more of the same type, and I paste all of this here from my WHY the Holocaust Happened:

    页。 53:
    “The teachings of Christ have laid the foundations for the battle against Jews as the enemy of Mankind; the work that Christ began, I shall finish.” Thus did Hitler summarize his mission, addressing his followers on 18 December 1926, in a speech to the Nazi Party (Bärbel Dusik, ed., Hitler: Reden, Schriften, Anordnungen, v. 2, 1992, pp. 105–6). He was speaking to people he viewed as supporters, not as enemies; so it came from the heart, it expressed his true convictions. Similarly, prior to his power struggle with the churches culminating in 1937, Hitler felt that the Roman Catholic church, and the other Christian denominations, were “my people,” not “outsiders,” much less “the enemy.” So it was with sincerity that Hitler, at the beginning of his reign, reassured Bishop Berning in conversation on 26 April 1933, “I am doing what the Church has done for 1,500 years. I am simply finishing the job.” (Hans Müller, Katholische Kirche und Nationalsozialismus: Dokumente 1930–1935, 1963, pp. 118–9.)
    页。 68:
    Hitler’s religious sense of mission was by no means restricted solely to the Holocaust, such as his expression in Mein Kampf (1939, p. 84; 1943, p. 65) that, “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

  455. Wally 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Leave it to a Jew to freakout when it’s noticed that he is a Jew.

    LOL

    It’s noted that you dodged & ran from my posts which shatter your bizarre wishful fantasies.

    Still waiting for proof of your impossible ‘6M & gas chambers’.

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”

    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  456. utu 说:
    @Uncommonground

    I personally knew people who were to Auschwitz and never talked about the gas chambers. Unfortunately then I was not interested in the issue. Auschwitz was a pretty large complex of many camps. Officially gas chambers were in two camps: Auschwitz I and Birkenau plus supposedly there were couple of buildings that also were used at some point at hoc point gas chambers. I think it was possible to be in some parts of Auschwitz and never hear about it. Auschwitz served as a regular prison where inmates were doing time of finite term sentences. They were mostly Poles, Silesians but also Germans convicted of small crimes. These people at the end of their sentence were released from Auschwitz. Yet, during WWII in Silesia region no rumors about gassing were circulating. There were also political prisoners who were released when some strings were pulled and bribes were paid. These people were often from larger cities like Warsaw and were connected and it seems that they did not provide intelligence about gassing to political organizations they were associated with. A lot of inmates were assigned to work crews that worked outside with little supervision. There were time periods with many escapes or simple walk aways particularly among women from Birkenau. What is also interesting there were cases when the escapees were caught sometimes many months later and they were not executed to the contrary of most stories being told. When delousing was done in Birkenau in women camp everything went to delousing chambers and inmates remained naked for many hours. I have read memoirs by three different women who were in Birkenau which were mostly about survival and live in the camp. Each of them has a chapter or two about gas chamber which are written as a matter of fact without an outrage. It almost feels like then in WWII using gas against humans was expected and just quite normal. Prior to the war and during there was a constant fear of gas attack and almost everybody had a gas mask. The gas attack never happened but this may explain the sanguine descriptions of the gassing operation by these women.

    What is interesting that right after the WWII in the Soviet sphere of influence Jewish extermination was emphasized and instead the narrative was that the crimes committee there were affecting victims from all nationalities. Films and books about camps and Auschwitz concentrated on the survival in camps and the cruelty of the SS staff. The solidarity and selflessness among inmates was emphasized. This has hanged in the US after the Six Day War and within few decades the stories of camps became totally different in emphasis from what was being told in 1950s and 1960s.

  457. Milton 说:

    As far as I know, the elite Jewish genetic stock was not wiped off the map and persists to this day where this genetic stock not only occupies Palestine but also occupies the Western institutions that were once known as “Christendom.”

    As far as I know, the elite German and Japanese genetic stock was indeed wiped out and holocausted during WWII. The Allied conventional bombings of Germany and Japan is the only Holocuast worth talking about during WWII. Two great races were wiped off the map and do not exist today in any meaningful way.

  458. Miro23 说:
    @L.K

    Still peddling this BS, huh?

    I give more weight to David Irving’s opinion than Veronica Clark’s (AKA Weronika Kuzniar):

    在我看来,Table Talks 的内容比希特勒的《我的奋斗》更重要,甚至可能比他的 Zweites Buch (1928) 更重要。 这是纯粹的希特勒。 他几乎阐述了太阳底下的每一个主题,而他的将军和私人工作人员则耐心地坐着,或者假装听他们的独白。

    It’s worth reading Irving’s full answer:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/TableTalk010104.html

  459. Josecanuc 说:
    @Anon

    “Jewish Tribalism per se isn’t the problem.”

    “The problem” is actually is quite simple: 

    “The whole world is mentally sick, much more so, we Jews.” – Arthur Ruppin 1876 –1943) was a Zionist thinker and leader, one of the founders of the city of Tel Aviv, sociologist, taught Sociology of the Jews at Hebrew University

  460. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @j2

    做得好!

    You should start archiving your website/blog, just in case… I archived your blog posts on the 大屠杀 给你下面。

    How many Jews died in the Holocaust, the simple summary
    May 29, 2018 In Holocaust controversy

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/05/29/how-many-jews-died-in-the-holocaust-the-simple-summary/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/cEhXD

    All together this makes 3.5 million, which is one million smaller that the number 4.5 million I calculated subtracting survivors from the original number in one post, and it is the number we get assuming that the amount of Jewish immigrants to the USA was 1 million larger than is officially told, as I explained in the post. We got some confirmation of this assumption in this calculation which I just made.

    How many Jews can have died in Auschwitz?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/18/lets-take-some-example-conspiracy-theory/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/EWC3Z

    Did anyone survive Operation Reinhard camps?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/18/continueing-from-the-previous-post/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/5jTpG

    Is the number of Eastern European Jews in 1939 correct?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/18/still-the-same-topic/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/O4v6z

    How many Jews immigrated to the USA before 1939?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/11/20/h4-finished-this-conspiracy-theory/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/2C7fA

    How many native Poles died in WWII?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2017/12/28/how-many-native-poles-died-in-wwii/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/4pIcC

    What can explain the holocaust testimonies?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/03/09/what-can-explain-the-holocaust-testimonies/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/dNFiR

    What does liquidation mean?

    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/03/13/what-does-liquidation-mean/ 存档的链接: http://archive.is/IlzHk

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  461. Momus 说:
    @peterAUS

    Plus, it would be interesting (I know it’s imposssible, PERSEC) to know were those shooters actually from those very areas where Hamas was trying to breach into.
    Like, a shooter has a family several KMs behind the line.
    Makes a lot of difference in that decision to “pull”. And where to aim.

    同意。
    A lot of the IDF members, female and male, will have lost family members, neighbours and friends in the intifadas and to random terror attacks where many innocents where murdered.

    Some have probably had their houses destroyed by indiscriminate firing of katyushas.

    None of them or their commanders will be old enough to have taken part in the goings on in the early days of Israel.

    I am quite sure that given the level of intelligence Israel deploys that Hamas members are recognised as individuals with known propensities in the field.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  462. Bob853 说:

    What this article presents is a testimony by Eichmann, which is worthless and full of problems, if Mr. Zeusse needs a post war testimony in order to prove Holocaust happened, then it speaks volume about reality of that alleged event.

    Mr. Zeusse also presents Hitler´s words or Himmler´s words, which is nothing but typical verbal thuggery and harsh language towards what they do not like, all people do this, so is absurd to present it as evidence of Holocaust, that´s grasping at straws, debunked so many times.

    Regarding that:

    “When three days later, on 23 January, Hitler in his Secret Conversations (Table-Talk) addressed Himmler sarcastically about the matter, Himmler understood very well what he meant by saying of his policy toward the Jews, “I’m extraordinarily humane. … But if they refuse to leave voluntarily, I see no other solution than extermination.”

    An example of poor research, the original says: “Ich sehe nur eines: die absolute Ausrottung, wenn sie nicht freiwillig gehen.” That´s a well known issue of ausrottung meaning, which as amply proven, does not mean only and always killing as holocaust believers falsely claim, but simply uprooting, extirpation, here dealing away with Jews by forced removal of Jews from the German space, simple as that. What Hitler meant and what was the context was made clear a few days later on January 27th when he said “Der Jude muß aus Europa hinaus! Am besten, sie gehen nach Rußland. Ich habe kein Mitleid mit den Juden.” So Hitler had no sense of pity for Jews and so wanted them out of Europe and move them to Russia what he thought would be the best. That´s it, precisely in this way he meant what he said on Jan 23rd otherwise makes no sense to speak of removal of Jews to Russia when a few days earlier Hitler spoke of their killing, obviously what he said on 23rd was not meant as killing of Jews, simple as that.

    Mr. Zeusse either lied when he was silent about what Hitler made clear later or he is not very careful reader, anyway, that´s an usual modus operandi of a Holocaust believer.

  463. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Great irony that modern eugenics is the domain of homosexual couples, often hard left lesbians who sperm shop.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Wizard of Oz
  464. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wally

    Wally: I didn’t say anything about 6M.
    You are the dreaming/fantasizing.
    Gas chambers: Most certainly they were used against Germans, and Jews, and others. Their first use was against Germans with in Germany—possibly some Jews were included but Jews were not targeted at that time. The order to begin the Vernichtung of Lebensunwertes Leben was called the T4 Programm.
    Here is the website of the Gedenkstaette Grafeneck, where the Vernichtungsprogramm and technology was first test-run:
    http://s522790709.online.de/311.htm

    Oh, right, you dear little know-it-all, you don’t speak any German! Even so you know more th an anyone else who does speak multiple languages, including German.
    OK, so check it out here:
    http://www.dark-tourism.com/index.php/15-countries/individual-chapters/219-grafeneck-euthanasia-centre#b

    There is a more detailed Wikipedia entry, but of course that is all made up fantasy!!

    I certainly have no obligation to respond to your ridiculous “knowledge” challenges—I am just trying to help you and others on this thread to come to terms with genuine evidence and help distinguish between actual evidence and fantastical propositions. I wrote a much longer post yesterday on what I consider the misuse of the term “Holocaust,” but that post disappeared in an electronic blip. I have nothing against Revisionist history, but I do have something against ignorant outright fantasies. There is absolutely no doubt that German citizens, including Jews, were gassed and cremated as early as the late thirties. Regarding “freaking out,” your knowledge of German cultural h istory is too limited for you to do anything but insult those whom you do not have the wherewithal to understand. Frankly, you seem to be the one freaking out, with your interminable citations of the codoh.com site. Go to the Grafeneck Gedenkstaette website and do not return to this thread until you have absorbed the information there presented. Here is another good source:

    • 同意: Momus
    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
  465. Josecanuc 说:
    @HadEnough

    
    “Jewish pitymongering is wasted on me as I think it is on most people on the planet at this point.”

    “There is a strange place, an extraordinary and interesting place called Earth. The people are all insane, the other animals are all insane, the earth is insane, Nature itself is insane. Man is a marvelous curiosity. When he is at his very best he is a sort of low-grade nickel-plated angel; at his worst he is unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the time he is a sarcasm. Moreover he thinks he is the Creator’s pet. He even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes, and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to Him, and thinks He listens. Fills his prayers with crude and bald and florid flatteries of Him, and thinks He sits and purrs over these. He prays for help, and favor, and protection, every day; and does it with hopefulness and confidence, too, although no prayer of his has ever been answered. The daily affront, the daily defeat, do not discourage him, he goes on praying just the same. There is something almost fine about this perseverance. He thinks he is going to heaven! Mark Twain Man the Lowest Animal

    “The human race consists of the dangerously insane and such as are not.” Twain

    Kant almost named his Critique of Pure Reason “Essay on the Sickness of the Head”…one of Kant’s conception of life was that life was a madhouse or lunatic asylum, where each inmate not only destroys his own happiness and works against his own good, but also finds his greatest pleasure in afflicting his fellows with all imaginable pain and suffering…

    “A proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules. A system has truth content according to the certainty and completeness of its coordination-possibility to the totality of experience. A correct proposition borrows its “truth” from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs.” Einstein

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  466. Josecanuc 说:
    @Wally

    “This prohibition is reinforced by the prophet Hosea (chapter 2), when he declares: “The number of the children of Israel shall be as the sands of the sea, which cannot be numbered and cannot be counted…”

    “I have seen all the (Jewish?) works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind. That which is crooked cannot be made straight, and that which is wanting cannot be numbered….” Book of Ecclesiastes

  467. peterAUS 说:
    @Skeptikal

    内容丰富的帖子。

    An interesting reading:
    http://www.dark-tourism.com/index.php/15-countries/individual-chapters/219-grafeneck-euthanasia-centre#b

    It does make gassing and cremating of Jews quite plausible, for sure.
    For some people, I mean.

    Sorry for the interruption, guys.

    Back to the usual of “6M” vs “didn’t happen” thing.

  468. Svigor 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    I could say I expect basic literacy from a writer, but that’d be a lie (I read too much to be that naive).

    There was no ad hominem attack in my comment, only an observation (one that is still true; “I have nothing against Christianity, it’s a fine religion” is more economical than just your second response, never mind the two combined). There was no lie or untruth, either.

    But sure – let’s have a battle of wits. I’m already trembling in fear, I assure you.

  469. Svigor 说:
    @Anonymous

    Who gives a flying fuck? No CTRL-F in your browser?

  470. Svigor 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    If I confess to burning down the City of New York, there’s still that little matter of whether the City of New York was actually burned down.

  471. Svigor 说:
    @anonymous

    Jews: “race, group, etc., doesn’t matter. We should be race-blind. People are people.”

    Also Jews: “the holocaust was the worst thing in history because it targeted the Jewish people (P.S., the other 6m who were murdered are chopped liver as far as we’re concerned; barely worth mentioning).”

  472. Incitatus 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Choltitz…defied orders and saved Paris… who was Choltitz’s Allied counterpart…who defied orders and refused to bomb Dresden?”

    Good question S2C. Not sure of any, sad to say. If they existed, they’ve been suppressed in victor’s accounts (nothing worse than a skunk at the picnic). Dresden was tragic, a milestone proving Giulio Douhet’s thesis:

    “The guiding principle of bombing actions should be this: the objective must be destroyed completely in one attack, making further attack on the same target unnecessary…The complete destruction of the objective has moral and material effects, the repercussions of which may be tremendous…we need only envision what would go on among the civilian population of congested cities once the enemy announced that he would bomb such centers relentlessly, making no distinction between military and non-military objectives… [all] citizens will become combatants, since all of them will be exposed to the aerial offensives of the enemy. There will be no distinction any longer between soldiers and civilians.””

    Operation Gomorrah on Hamburg – eight days of bombing beginning 24 Jul ’43 – is more lamentable. 42,000+ civilians killed and 37,000 wounded. Leveled the city. British led. Doesn’t seem connected to Eric Mendlesohn and Dugway Proving Ground ’43 ‘German Village’ tests, but I could be wrong. Operation Meetinghouse on Tokyo Mar ’45 was worse: 100,000+ civilian deaths and over 1 million displaced. Hiroshima and Nagasaki followed.

    1950s ‘Duck-and-Cover’ drills were the legacy of terror Douhet advocated, proven in places like London (1915-18), Guernica ‘37, Warsaw ‘39, Rotterdam ‘40, Hamburg’43, Dresden ‘45, Tokyo ‘45, etc. Students in the most remote rural locales squatted next to a hall locker and crouched under their school desks. Little comfort to we who lived within a mile of a rural Nike base. Teachers told us it would save us, but really? Unless your dad invested in a ridiculous home bomb shelter, inedible canned goods and primitive chemical toilets you became a child cynic. The Cuban Missile Crisis 16-28 Oct ’62 cemented the high water mark of lunacy. Dr. Strangelove (29 Jan 1964) invited return to sanity.

    Choltitz was indeed noble. Worthy of thanks for all (including me) who love Paris. A remarkable exception to the dehumanizing process of war, as was Albert Speer (in his refusal of the Nerobefehl). There may well be many others on both sides.

    Listen to former Secretary of War Stimson:

    “We must never forget, that under modern conditions of life, science, and technology, all war has become greatly brutalized, and that no one who joins in it, even in self-defense, can escape becoming also in a measure brutalized. Modern war cannot be limited in its destructive method and the inevitable debasement of all participants…A fair scrutiny of the last two World Wars makes clear the steady intensification in the inhumanity of the weapons and methods employed by both, the aggressors and the victors. In order to defeat Japanese aggression, we were forced…to employ a technique of unrestricted submarine warfare, not unlike that which 25 year ago was the proximate cause of our entry into World War I. In the use of strategic air power the Allies took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians in Germany and Japan…We as well as our enemies have contributed to the proof that the central moral problem is war and not its methods, and that a continuance of war will in all probability end with the destruction of our civilization.”

    -Henry L. Stimson, “The Nüremberg Trial: Landmark of Law” Foreign Affairs 1947

    Pretty candid, eh S2C? Can you produce anything comparable from German or Italian WW2 players? He was quoted by Albert Speer in ‘Inside the Third Reich’ (p.520).

    Let’s return to your original question “[what] Allied general…defied orders and refused to bomb Dresden? None known. What Axis generals refused Anschluß, the Müncher Abkommen, invading rump Czechoslovakia and Poland 1939, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, France 1940, North Africa, Yugoslavia, Greece, Crete, Eastern Poland, USSR 1941, and so on?

    Wish they all, like Choltitz, realized there was more to life than another medal. What, S2C, do wish for? Another threshold?

    • 同意: Wizard of Oz
  473. Robjil 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Hitler had no real Jews to fight in Europe. Ashkenazis are half Italians. Recent DNA shows that Ashkenazis are descendants of Gentile Roman women and Middle Eastern men. So after all it was all based on a fantasy on both sides of the game – the otherness game. A destructive fantasy game that still is destroying our planet with endless wars.

    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/

  474. Svigor 说:
    @peterAUS

    Trying to colonize someone else’s country in the middle of the 20th century is a great way to create such hard men. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, and you don’t even have to squint to see the Palestinians as freedom fighters.

    Diaspora Jews give European-Americans shit for displacing the Indians hundreds of years ago, despite the fact that the Indians were stone-age savages well-versed in guerrilla warfare, bushcraft, stealth, ambush, murder, torture, mutilation, human sacrifice, slavery, etc.

    Then Jews expect us to side with them vs the Palestinians, who had been civilized for thousands of years before the Zionists invaded, sixty years ago.

    罗。

  475. SomeGuy 说:
    @j2

    你能发布一个链接到你的计算和来源吗?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @j2
  476. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    Everyone, read all below.

    – More laughable fake text from Zionist Incitatus. The poor child, we’re one step ahead of him on every laughable point he tries to make. Quite entertaining though.

    – The alleged text of the alleged ‘recorded conversations’ contain some of the most absurd stuff you’ll ever here.Things that are simply impossible and quite contradictory to the official ‘holocau\$t’ narrative. We know, we researched them.
    – AND, there is only invented text for these fake “conversations”, the alleged recordings are nowhere to be found. IOW, they do not exist. 哎呀!

    see more debunkings here:
    recorded conversations not – ‘pumpkins/music directors’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=366
    yet another bogus conversation, this one about ‘gassings’
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=352
    The bogus Bruns document
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=15
    Bogus alleged ‘conversation’ about Babi Yar

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=345

    - P.oor Incitataus quotes Choltitz, but Choltitz says nothing ‘holocau\$t’ like.
    Choltitz regrets 驱逐出境 Jews, not ‘gassing them.’ Oops!

    Choltitz shows regret in his books, which he simply must or face execution or imprisonment. Once again, nothing about ‘gassing Jews’. Of course the alleged ‘gas chambers’ were scientifically impossible & there are no immemse human remains as alleged. Game, set, match.

    Incitatus laughably says that ‘von Choltitz refused Hitler’s order to destroy Paris’, yet Incitatus, nor anyone else, can show us this Hitler order. 哎呀!

    Poor Incitatus desperately lists books which contain not a shred of proof for the impossible ‘extermination of Jews’ religion. Notice that he shows no proof from these books whatsoever.

    But hey, all this nonsense is good enough for Zionists. LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

  477. @Momus

    Well, good for them – up to a point. (“What point?” I hear you say. Oh shut up and stop using your super high Jewish verbal IQ in me! My family does plenty of that too).

    I have recently done well out of an investment in a company that provides tests to make sure the best or suitable embryos are chosen for implantation. Clearly Popes wouldn’t like it so it must be good and a potential offset to the prevailing dysgenic breeding habits of the First World. 🙂

  478. @Momus

    PS Do you know of a 1916 book called “Jewish Eugenics” by one Rabbi Reichler? I was pleased to come across it and confirm my view that all sensible upper middle classes (and perhaps all classes generally amongst Jews) had aimed for good “blood” by various proxy measures and that it was Jewish reaction to Hitler’s racialist nonsense and euthanasia campaigns that, together with lots of highminded allies, set back Eugenics by 75 years and counting. (J.M. Keynes resigned as Vice-President of the Malthusian Society in 1943….)

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Momus
  479. @jilles dykstra

    Hitler then agreed to just opening the sluices connecting inland waterways to the sea.

    就像 Prince of Orange did against the Hapsburg army? An atrocity, I say!

    Bonus: Belgium floods the the Yser, October 1914, against invading Germans.

  480. @Skeptikal

    Hitler also wanted to ban a number of other groups from Germany society: communists, Bolsheviks

    问题?

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  481. @Momus

    I have actually been to Israel with one of its toughest defenders/advocates (“I don’t call them settlements: I call them Israeli towns”) and one of our lectures by a very senior police officer was against a background exhibit of very rusty rockets that had allegedly been fired from Gaza though obviously not exploded. I did not come away with the idea that there had actually been any large number of Israelis killed by katyushas or whatever. Rather it was the usual Israeli amiably contemptuous response about these incompetent attacks which from time to time had Israelis rushing to shelters.

    Have you any reliable figures to back up your scary picture? I think not.

    With a pro Israeli hat on I would continue with my own hardline approval of an Israeli hard line. Like “you hit me in the face and I’ll beat the living daylights out of you”. More precisely “you fire a second rocket and we will pound its calculated launching point with 20 heavy shells”.

    None of that gets close to approving putting young Israelis in the moral danger of becoming/remaining like those German POWs recorded in Britain in WW2 discussing the raping and killing they had taken part in – the evidence for which was turned up by a German and is too recent for those who haven’t changed their mind about anything for 25 years 🙂

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Momus
    , @Svigor
  482. @Wizard of Oz

    Thank Zeus for Hitler.

    Had he not held power for 12 years — that’s 105,192 hours — no evil thing would have plagued the planet, no evil event occurred, no single human would have been oppressed, no injustice committed.

    But for the 105,192 hours that Adolf Hitler held power in the center of Europe, Leo Strauss would not have been rejected by Paul Tillich, thus would have remained in Germany and been elevated to his rightful place as among the Jewish-Socratic elites who would have ruled the “vulgar German masses” without resentment.

    Had Hitler not held power in Germany for 105,192 hours (more or less), no Jew would have been holocausted, ergo no need for an Israel as a refuge, ergo no billions of dollars/deutschmarks would have been paid out to Jews to form a state and to influence other powers.

    Library shelves would be bare of books bearing false witness. Only Truth would be in the books held for the public enlightenment.

    No 105,192 hours of a Hitler in power, no holocaust survivors, no second generation holocaust survivors, no third generation holocaust survivors.

    Imagine what the world today would look like if there had been no Adolf Hitler in power for 105,192 hours in Germany.

    What would the Jewish people do for an organizing principle?
    How would they shape their identity: what would they pound away at without Adolf Hitler on their anvil for 105,192 hours out of the last 100 years — 876,600 hours more or less?

    For 88% of the last 100 years, Adolf Hitler has NOT been in power.
    What have Jews done with those hours? How have they fared?
    By their behaviour in the 771,408 hours that Hitler has NOT been power, have Jews proved to the world that Hitler was the cause of all the evil that beset them, and that Hitler, with Jews given every sympathy and accommodation and financial compensation and advantage and a land of their own, that the complaints of Hitler were due to his evil nature and not to anything Jews did?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Momus
  483. @SolontoCroesus

    Interesting that you don’t engage in the ridiculous blank denials of the work by German Professor of Military History Söne Neitzel and a social psychologist colleague Welzer that undermines so much of the beliefs the Beefheads and the Wallys have been harbouring and ever more desperately defending for decades.

    I did a search for Söne Neitzel – and indeed for his name plus Nuremberg to see if there was even a tincture of truth in the allegation that the evidence had been rejected at Nuremberg (there isn’t) – and came up with so much devastating stuff for those who obviously hadn’t even heard of the German bestseller “Soldaten” or the Channel 4 documentary based on it.

    Here are some links amongst many, no doubt better and less journalistic ones.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/sep/30/soldaten-neitzel-welzer-holocaust-review

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2226078/We-gunned-English-women-children--great-fun-Newly-published-transcripts-private-conversations-PoWs-prove.html

    Try and say something that, coming from you will only make Wally and Beefhead sad but wiser. And do try and persuade the idiotic Muliegino (who believes that the WTC steel which was precipitately sold as scrap to China was pulverized to molecular dust!) that there were sophisticated talkies and radio drama in the 30s and the recordings of POW that were made and transcribed 1942-1945 really could have been made! Cheers.

  484. @SolontoCroesus

    How is that connected to what I wrote rather than something that you are bursting to say regularly?

  485. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I suggested that some of the soldiers may have had homes destroyed or damaged by the Gazans rockets. I know they rarely cause fatalities.

  486. j2 说:
    @SomeGuy

    链接见评论 431 和 475。

    来源说明:我没有将来源标记为学术论文,因为我只是对自己这样做。 人口数字的主要来源是美国犹太人委员会年鉴,我从其他来源进行了两次更正(德国和奥地利犹太人的一半迁移了。罗马尼亚的数字减少了。对于奥斯威辛集中营来说,这都无关紧要,因为从西方运来的德国人的数量相当众所周知,波兰西部的犹太人口也是如此,德国在波兰/波罗的海从东到西的运输也是如此。)我从网络上从列表中搜索了工作营中的死亡人数,然后从网络上查看了每个营地。 该列表是此的一些早期版本:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

    我试图为所有其他集中营(如马伊达内克的 59,000 人)取一个合理的下限,以便奥斯威辛集中营的死亡人数更多,并将奥斯威辛集中营的上限推导出为 400,000 人。 人们可以更准确地估计死亡人数。 起点是大约 3 万可能在波兰西部,大约 1.45 万去了莱因哈德行动营地,至少 0.1 到海乌姆诺,0.06 到马伊达内克,0.41 万在营地中幸存下来,0.08 万波兰犹太人没有被抓住。 即 3-2.1=0.9M 留给奥斯威辛和所有波兰境内的工作营和贫民窟 (0.17M),波兰以外的营地 (0.33M)。 要获得奥斯威辛集中营的 0.4M 上限,请减去 0.5M。 其他阵营的任何变化都无法让您从 0.9M 增加到 1-1.5M,而且他们也无法实现零死亡率。 我认为这些都是合理的。

    为了使奥斯威辛集中营达到 0.06M,减少战后从东方来到 DP 营地的 0.1M 波兰犹太人,在 0.05 年袭击及其后的恐怖活动中死亡的 1939M,将 Chelmno 增加到 0.15M,并减少对波兰人的估计犹太人在 1939 年按了 0.14M,但是这些修改是可以质疑的,所以我不做。

  487. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    PS Do you know of a 1916 book called “Jewish Eugenics” by one Rabbi Reichler?

    I don’t know that one but have a basic understanding of the Jewish cultural pressures for endogamy that also apparently selected for high IQ.

    Sailer makes the point about English nobility breeding having selected for height and imperiousness.

  488. Momus 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Did you run that megillah by Wally for approval?

  489. Momus 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have actually been to Israel with one of its toughest defenders/advocates (“I don’t call them settlements: I call them Israeli towns”) and one of our lectures by a very senior police officer was against a background exhibit of very rusty rockets that had allegedly been fired from Gaza though obviously not exploded.

    I’d like to visit. On the bucket list. Irrelevant here but the Israeli interest in wildlife and archaeological conservation interests me.

    The Katyushas were primitive; just big versions of the high school rockets fuelled with sugar/sodium nitrate candy.

    They rely on their mass alone- and the fact that they are probably red hot when they land, so hence the extreme rust- to do the damage.

  490. j2 说:
    @utu

    乌图写道:
    “Too much Jews and too much Holocaust is clearly dangerous to mental health. You and Zuesse see a psychiatrist asap.”

    I am not actually at all interested in the Jews or the Holocaust. I am much more interested in the origin of religion and Christianity and many other things. It is just so that if you look at the WTC7 fall, and assuming that you were quite good in physics, it does not seem correct. Then if you dig that and continue and it turns out to be correct and a certain group is implicated, and you continue to dig some other “crazy” conspiracy theories using all the good methods you learned in your academic researcher carriee, and again the´se “crazies” are correct and not so stupid at all, and again there is this same group, so it soon leads you to check the Holocaust, and what will you find being able to add and subtract, so finally you will end up reading MacDonald’s books and concluding that Luther, when older, was not so stupid after all. Eric Zuesse is Jewish and I think he has made a good contribution and I agree with him in many things (not being anti-semitic at all), I only hope he reconsiders the role of messianic thinking in this all what happened after 1940, that is, the Palestine plan was started much before Hitler. Hitler did not initiate anything in it and the result had to be exactly the same, prophesies, prophesies, you know.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  491. @Eric Zuesse

    What Hitler knew about in how much jewry caused Germany’s defeat in 1918, I do not know.
    That he knew how the Weimar Republic was run by jews, he could simply see.
    I also suppose he knew that jew Morgenthau gave the ‘evidence’ for Germany’s guilt for WWI, the basis for the impossible reparations, the Versailles Diktat.
    Already in 1921 historians knew that Morgenthau had lied.
    From 1923 to 1925 or so was the German hyperinflation, caused by the French Belgian occupation of the Ruhr, they did not get enough free coal, Versailles, the miners went on strike.
    The hyperinflation made any pensioner poor, the story is that just jews understood the mechanism, and became rich.
    So that he in 1926 did not like jews, does it surprise anyone ?

    • 回复: @Eric Zuesse
  492. Skeptikal 说:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The problem is that you didn’t get the obvious point.
    Hitler targeted many g roups for elimination from German society.
    In fact, I think I wrote that. Problem understanding English???

  493. @j2

    May I try to help you see the WTC 7 collapse as one of the most troublesome facts for a conspiracy theorist.

    为什么?

    1. It would add nothing to the Pearl Harbour effect of the attacks, so
    2. It would add an unnecessary complication so obviously to be avoided;

    3. Only WTC 1 and 2 had been recently reinsured by Silverstein;

    4. If someone was trying to destroy records of Secret Service or whatever in the offices in WTC 7 they would have to face the fact that there would be back up copies elsewhere and that they might even draw attention to the files (even assuming that they had managed to destroy what was in WTC 7).

    5. If WTC 7 therefore can be taken to have collapsed because fire weakened its steel frame then fire weakening the steel frames of the other two buildings becomes easier to believe – especially as the building with many more floors above the fire weakened floors took much less time to collapse.

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    , @daniel le mouche
  494. @jilles dykstra

    Apparently, “jiles dykstra” blames all bad on all Jews, and ignores the role that non-Jews play in the same matters. The Versailles Treaty caused the hyperinflation etc. in the Weimar years, and then the Wall Street crash destroyed any hope there, and you are blaming all of that on — and only on — Jews? All Jews are bad, and all non-Jews are good? That’s a simple-minded, and clearly a false, analysis of things. It says something about your mind, but not about world history.

  495. @Beefcake the Mighty

    What tapes? Aren’t you still at one with Mulegino1 the technophobe** on there being no technology by the early 40s to make talkie movies or radio drama?

    If you were interested you would already know that a best selling German Professor of Military History made the discoveries and did the work on transcripts. Except that you have been excused exposure to the courts and their evidentiary rewuirements because your guardian argued successfully that you were unfit to plead you would know that, at least if the recording materials have been destroyed or reused, the transcripts are perfectly good evidence (maybe open to support or qualification by expert witnesses who might say in the absence of the actual typist that such and such an expression is probably a mishearing of xyz).

    So, you can do what Professor Neitzal did and examine the archives if you don’t want to accept his competence and honesty as every reviewer appears to have done.

    Why does the Neitzal discovery threaten you so much that you burst out incontinentally with a word like “idiot” and feel that you have to respond with pathetic fabrications off the top of your head like the suggestion that the Nuremberg Tribunal had rejected these records as evidence? Sad.

    **that’s an inference from his ignorance and carelessness whenever he touches on STEM matters

  496. bjondo 说:
    @Eric Zuesse

    Not all corruption of Wall St from Jew. There are others involved. But the leaders, the biggies, the protectors are Jew.
    Jew not only ones participating in 9-11. Cheney and other traitors involved. But the conceivers, planners, plotters, leaders, protectors, soldiers, deceivers, the biggies are Jew.
    Jew not only one involved in Atlantic, Americas slave business. But Jew the biggie, the dominant player, the main controller.

    Not all Jew: this is the tactic of a deceiving Jew.

    • 同意: Them Guys
  497. Mulegino1 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    …there were sophisticated talkies and radio drama in the 30s and the recordings of POW that were made and transcribed 1942-1945 really could have been made!

    The fact that there were “sophisticated talkies and radio drama” does not in any way detract from what I wrote about the British lacking the kind of sound equipment that would be needed to surreptitiously record spontaneous conversations between prisoners of war; have you ever seen an actual movie or radio set from the period? The amount of equipment needed fills up an entire room. You must be incredibly obtuse to believe that these “transcripts” were of real conversations between prisoners of war and not entirely scripted b.s. “We gunned English women-children- great fun.” Who but the most greasy Holohoax ambulance chasing shekel grubbing shyster is going to claim that this was said spontaneously in front of a sound set?

    This is the kind of stupid propaganda that exposes the entire pseudo-religion of the Shoah Business as a lie, an extortion racket, and a blood libel against the Christian peoples of Europe.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  498. Mulegino1 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Apparently, you are too obtuse to even understand the concept of sound surveillance and respond with a straw man. Yes, there were movies and radio dramas in the 1930’s and 1949’s. What bearing this has on secretly recording or eavesdropping conversations is beyond me. If you cannot produce the recordings, they do not exist and most likely never existed, or were propaganda made in a recording studio. It is extremely unlikely that a German officer would make a flippant comment about murdering women and children anyway.

    These “transcripts” are of no more value than the testimony of the tortured Rudolf Hoess at Nuremberg, which we now know has been totally falsified.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  499. Anonymous [AKA "Bushwalla"] 说:
    @Momus

    OK- I believe you.

    Why did the National Socialist German Workers Party build the ideological and physical apparatus to imprison, enslave, murder, and attempt to exterminate European Jewry?

    For the hell of it? It’s a pretty involved systematic approach, this apparatus of which you wrote.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Momus
  500. Mulegino1 说:
    @Momus

    Any country that has a penal system and prisons has the “physical apparatus” to imprison a segment of its population.

    I fail to see how the Jews were enslaved. They were interned as enemy aliens and conscripted for labor- there was a critical labor shortage at the time, since most of Germany’s peacetime workforce was serving in the Wehrmacht. This occurred during the greatest war in recorded history, which the international leadership of Jewry was instrumental in bringing about.

    The number of claimants for reparations exceeds the number of Jews under German control. If the Germans really had wanted to murder all of the Jews of Europe, they would have done so, and there would be only a handful of survivors, not the millions alive after the war. The fact is that few Jews were actually murdered by Germans just for being Jews. There were revenge pogroms carried out by the local population in places like Riga, but this was in response to the disproportionate Jewish presence in the Soviet government and the secret police. It had nothing to do with the Germans per se.

    On the other hand, many Jews were executed by the Germans on the Eastern Front, but not because they were Jews, but because they were commissars or involved in partisan activity.

    • 回复: @Them Guys