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第1部分:发脾气

自2018年XNUMX月最后一个星期以来,以色列以及最终国际犹太人的歇斯底里症爆发,原因是波兰的一项法律规定通过诽谤波兰人``波兰集中营''或以其他方式将犹太人的大屠杀归咎于波兰人,以此来惩罚波兰人。 歇斯底里始于总理本杰明·内塔尼亚胡(Benjamin Netanyahu),他谈到 “试图重写历史记录。” 它通过像以色列驻波兰大使之类的人物向下游移动 安娜·阿扎里(Anna Azari),政治家Yair Lapid,然后降落到像拉哈夫·哈科夫(Lahav Harkov)这样的人,后者曾发推文为“以色列国民报记者和耶路撒冷邮筒的分析师”,“骄傲的犹太复国主义者”和“粉红色”女权主义者。

最终,由以色列议会的61名成员提出的一项可疑的新法案提议将其定义为“波兰语,以禁止谈论波兰人在纳粹犯罪中的同谋”。 非法否认大屠杀–即使这不是波兰法案的意图。 这意味着将“波兰集中营”一词和其他此类诽谤定为违法,这些诽谤指责波兰和波兰人民犯有德国种族灭绝罪。

在德国占领和持续恐怖的国家里,某些波兰人确实犯了种族灭绝罪或从种族灭绝中获利是完全不同的事情。 秃鹰,害虫和寄生虫总是被垂死的吸引着,而当他们自己的环境也垂死的时候,情况就更是如此。 他们在整个德国占领的欧洲都做到了这一点,那里几乎没有德国人感到恐怖,但波兰人与纳粹的合作比例却很小。 他们在每场歼灭战争和其他重大人类灾难中都这样做。

国际犹太媒体以及几乎整个主要的进步新闻界都发出了与以色列一样的op蔑和彻头彻尾的诽谤之声(注意:没有非进步新闻界)。 “时代”杂志的标题很典型: “波兰刚刚通过了导致暴行的大屠杀法案” (2.1.2018)。 没有提及是什么原因导致了波兰的愤怒。 几乎没有人提到波兰人的痛苦和苦难,但是有关犹太人痛苦和苦难的著作(无疑是伟大的,但并不比波兰的苦难范围大)可以填补一个中等国家的粮仓。

犹太评论家比那差。 让拉哈夫·哈科夫(Lahav Harkov)的推文(Twitter,1.27.2018)来总结以色列的意见和哈利·马里尔斯(Harry Maryles)的观点。 “波兰死亡集中营” (JewishPress.com,1.31.2018)代表犹太散居者的观点,而没有浪费其他地方的细微差别。

Harkov的推文完全包含 “波兰死亡集中营” 重复14次。 这是最糟糕的反犹太诽谤的耻辱。 我想知道如果犹太人发表一篇包含“锡安长老”或“ Yagoda + Madoff =犹太人”这样的短语重复14次并传达出来的信息,犹太人会有什么样的感觉, 事实本身,总结了我对犹太人民的看法。

马里斯(Maryles)的文章包含了可能受到挑战的主观断言,但我将只关注一个看起来更加客观的主意:“除了其中的义老绅士之外,波兰人可能是所有民族中最渴望帮助纳粹的参与者派犹太人到任何其他国家的死亡集中营。 我曾与之交谈过的几乎每一个幸免于大屠杀的波兰犹太人都提出了这一要求。”

我将在本文的其余部分中提出反诉。

以色列和犹太媒体还有其他数百种扑朔迷离的言论,各派犹太人,政客们将目标定在一个容易“震惊” 99.5%+白人的国家,西方媒体大声疾呼。 我们只有一个空间。

XNUMX月中旬,鲁德曼家庭基金会(Ruderman Family Foundation)痴迷于“包容性和多样性”之一的美国犹太人组织,他们竭尽所能产生新的美国反犹太主义者,而这在以前是没有的。 从不拒绝网站敦促人们在呼吁下签字:“以6万犹太人的名义,美国现在必须中止与波兰的关系!” 鲁德曼(Ruderman)人民还在YouTube上放了一个专业制作的视频,标题为“我将去波兰监狱”,其中有一群美国犹太人说“波兰大屠杀”,并敦促美国中止与波兰的关系。


在波兰,脾气暴躁,但是所谓的“极右翼”政府对此事胆怯。 波兰媒体很热闹,但就世界而言,如果不是英语,那也没有发生。 很有可能有这么多具有​​公众声音的犹太人将继续以燃烧的方式锤击这种热铁,最终他们也将成功地在波兰铸造成千上万的新的反犹太人。

试图按摩所有这些无礼的冒犯种族主义,抨击波兰的言论也行不通。 以色列外交部发言人伊曼纽尔·纳洪(Emmanuel Nahshon)在29月XNUMX日发推文说:“问题不是死亡集中营。 当然他们不是波兰人。 那是德国的死亡集中营。 问题是谈论波兰人参与谋杀犹太人而没有恐惧或受到威胁威胁的合法和基本的自由。” 一天前,Nahshon先生发了一条推文:我们期望波兰政府 在该法案最后获得通过之前改变措辞,并就此问题与以色列进行对话。”

让我放弃前面的陈述,然后再使后面的陈述摆脱困境。 对于一个主权国家如此大胆地宣布它“期望”另一个主权国家遵循的路线,这是一种愤怒。 对于一个偏远的犹太小国来说,这也是不礼貌的,对于中欧的日常现实而言,这并不是完全必要的。 当它直指反对社会主义与穆斯林联盟的集团中的关键国家时,这是愚蠢的。伊斯兰联盟的犹太学者巴特·耶尔(Bat Ye'or)称其为“欧亚”,这使该大陆,其文明,及其拥有2000多年历史的犹太社区。

欧拉比亚,其领导人喜欢 安格拉·默克尔和亚西尔·阿拉法特(Yasser Arafat)的好朋友 FEDERICA Mogherini,在大屠杀纪念日哭泣着鳄鱼的眼泪,反对“反犹太主义”,同时直接负责通过其成千上万的心爱的穆斯林“移民”来导入这种反犹太主义,并由此导致公众骚扰,殴打和谋杀犹太人,例如欧洲自希特勒以来没有见过。 更不用说伪装成反以色列主义的反犹太主义形式,其传播者是默克尔,莫格里尼和许多其他欧洲大联盟都涌现出的同一个共产主义社会主义者圈子。

以色列的crèmede lacrème在2018年大屠杀纪念日选择批评的东西,以及它装作看不见的东西是多么奇怪。

现在来看伊曼纽尔·纳洪(Emmanuel Nahshon)的先前声明。 我们都知道-还是我们?-“波兰集中营”一词是1956年阿尔弗雷德·本齐格(Alfred Benziger)发明的,他曾是纳粹阿布维尔的中士,是战胜了纳粹战争罪犯的诡计局114的负责人。眨了眨眼,向中央情报局点点头,对付苏联的反情报工作。 这是协调一致的努力,将大屠杀的责任从德国转移到了德国奴役,摧毁和用作对犹太人进行种族灭绝的领土基础的国家。

我们大概知道,这个名词已经在德国的国家和省级媒体以及其他旨在减轻战争期间对德国行为的罪恶感的大规模漂白行动中使用,包括但不限于“贫穷,高尚的德国士兵/犹太人”讨厌波兰抵抗的电视小型电视连续剧《我们的母亲,我们的父亲》,这是国家公共频道ZDF的旗舰产品。

承认“波兰集中营”不是波兰人,是允许西班牙流感不是西班牙人的一种让步。

最后,即使不是“波兰”死亡集中营,为什么还要在波兰? 我们也知道答案,不是吗?因为那些隐蔽的波兰人讨厌犹太人。 那是明确的声明 Yair Lapid以色列议会小党主席,以色列前财政部长。 但是也许有一个更简单的解释,其中没有偶然的反斯拉夫种族主义:波兰,因为那是犹太人所在的地方。

欧洲的9个以上犹太人中,有超过三分之一在波兰,在隔壁的俄罗斯还有2.5万,在随后与波兰接壤的其他国家中还有1.35万:罗马尼亚,捷克斯洛伐克和波罗的海国家。 还有德国自己的525,000万犹太人和奥地利的190,000万,联合帝国甚至没有与波兰接壤,而是通过直接吞并或通过纳粹统治的“总督”吞没了整个波兰。 所有这些使得在以波兰为中心的欧洲一个邻近地区中有超过7.5万犹太人。 如果您对像Adolf Eichmann这样的人具有敏锐的德国思维,还有其他选择吗?

现在让我们转到争端中最具争议性和最漫长的一刻,以以色列外交部“调和”的声音为代表的波兰民族在以色列的不那么尖锐的敌人表示为“谈论以色列的介入”。波兰人谋杀犹太人。” 当然,让我们谈谈。

有多少波兰人向犹太人嘲弄德国人,或谋杀他们,或抢走他们所能拥有的任何犹太资产,但前提是最大的一面是由冒充历史学家的社会学家代表的,而后者是由批判理论所资助的,因此这两个波兰人尚未成立,也无法成立感染普林斯顿大学,乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)等媒体 Project Syndicate,以及超进步/新马克思主义的德国媒体,例如 明镜德国之声-记住那里的粉刷议程。 更不用说虚假新闻的提供者了,这是美国的,由犹太人控制的报纸,在斯大林的种族灭绝最糟糕的时期在乌克兰仅发现了苏联的田园诗,并且奇怪的是,希特勒对犹太人的种族灭绝轻描淡写,因为这对企业不利。

与10年1942月XNUMX日在标题下发表文章的同一家报纸, “警察要求盟友停止屠杀,” 开头是这样的一句话:“波兰政府已经问过盟国政府是否有可能限制德国人继续大规模消灭波兰的犹太人口以及他们消灭波兰人作为一个国家的计划。”

在第8页上,没有任何影响。

同一篇论文于6年2018月XNUMX日发表了标题为《 “波兰的“死亡集中营”法律在与犹太人共同遭受折磨时流泪,” 即使标题相反,“犹太人对波兰“死亡集中营”法律的痛苦在与波兰人共担痛苦时的反应也同样可行。

扬·T·格罗斯(Jan T. Gross),因为那是进步派波兰猛击明星的名字 时代精神,是波兰一名天主教妇女的儿子,她在战争中解救了犹太父亲的性命,后来与他结婚。 他在波兰人民的粗暴诽谤中建立了辉煌的职业,并以金块为基础,他的话说波兰人在战争中谋杀的犹太人多于德国人。 他对杰德瓦班大屠杀等著名(在波兰)故事的选择性重述已经被波兰学者以更好,更合适的身份驳斥,例如Marek Jan Chodakiewicz和Piotr Gontarczyk。 特别是对于吉德瓦恩,波兰国家纪念学院进行了为期三年(2000年至2003年)的调查,在两份报告(203页和1059页)中得出结论,发生了大屠杀,大约有340人丧生(总人数:1600 ),大约40名波兰男子参与了这一犯罪活动(格罗斯:“一半的村庄”),监视并最有可能首先受到德国士兵的挑衅(格罗斯:“允许”)。

无论受害者人数多少,大屠杀都是大屠杀,但重大错误或虚假夸张在发表后十八年仍未得到纠正,即使不是出于别有用心,也表现出最好的度。 特别是当作者是一位学者并拥有历史上的有名教授时,就像格罗斯当时那样。 卑鄙的意图转移到诽谤者的重新包装者中,在以色列,德国和美国的报纸上读到了许多内容。

以色列人根据耶德瓦布尼和基尔采(Kielce)建立的波兰人形象,类似于以色列人基于 迪尔·亚辛大屠杀 或恐怖分子 对大卫王酒店的炸弹袭击。 如果您住在玻璃房里,不要扔石头。

不仅是以色列人。 对此话题一无所知,美国国务院发言人希瑟·瑙特(Heather Nauert)于31月XNUMX日代表她的老板雷克斯·蒂勒森(Rex Tillerson)发表声明。 她以一些关于大屠杀的“痛苦而复杂”的溴化物开头,开始威胁说 “波兰的战略利益和关系-包括与美国和以色列的关系” 在新法律上。 该声明引起的问题中,尤其是辛辣的:美国国务院也为以色列说话吗? 如果那是“右派右翼”总统的国务院,为什么我们需要担心左派呢?

并不是说它处于休眠状态。 “波兰的犹太人担心新的大屠杀法律对未来的影响,” 10年2018月XNUMX日,《卫报》吹响了号角,进一步认为该法“证明了国外的外交和公共关系灾难,因为学者,大屠杀幸存者和友好政府都在排队” —当然,要以任何“渐进式”的手段抨击波兰在眼前。

作为波兰犹太人现在“为未来而惧怕”的证据之一,《卫报》转载说,“右翼”《共和国电视》杂志的社论将这场危机描述为波兰犹太人的“忠诚测试”。 奥伊·韦,再次是反犹太主义。 这样的agitprop总是设法忽略的是细节。 的细节 共和国电视台 它是由一个爱国的波兰犹太人和重要的记者布罗尼斯瓦德·怀尔德斯坦创立的。 怀尔德斯坦是索罗斯式犹太人中最直言不讳的敌人之一,波兰人也是如此,他们以“多样性”,“反犹太主义”和“难民”反铲挖苦他的国家。

为了确保我们今天能知道波兰的犹太人有多少恐惧,这位左撇子的英国圣剑在照片上点缀了一张照片,题为“一个人群在1940年左右在华沙犹太人居住区的街道上围住一个死者。” 人群中大多数人饮食充足,衣着得体。 没有人关心死者,有些人对着镜头微笑。 那些讨厌,残酷的波兰人。 唯一缺少的是波兰人没有进入贫民窟的警告。 照片中的每个人都是犹太人。

我不会在这里谈论Yad Vashem的“正义的外邦人”以及其6,706人的波兰人数量不足,他们冒着生命危险拯救犹太人的陈旧故事。 但是,让我引用比Yad Vashem更大的权威:我的妈妈。

第2部分:历史

我的母亲是波兰人和犹太人,同时携带波兰和犹太基因,她的父母在周日的长廊上与一名德国党卫军一起向一个无法返回的Majdanek狂奔,她的兄弟将枪口对准了空白。 她在卡廷森林(Katyn forest)的NKVD中失去了一个表亲,而她将来在OUN乌克兰纳粹盟国中当婆mother又是什么。 她是詹诺夫斯基(Janowski)死亡/劳动集中营中为数不多的幸存者之一,并且将成为该州指挥官/地狱撒旦的见证人。 她从一列死亡火车上跳下来,直奔贝尔泽克的毒气室。 她听说火车引擎的波兰工作人员冒着生命危险,警告在利沃夫(Lvov)站台上仍然热切的人群,贝尔泽(Belzec)不仅仅是另一个“集中营”。 然后,她漫步于无尽的冰冻森林中,直到最后被波兰农民,然后由德国上校拯救。 她首先受到盖世太保(Gestapo)以及一年后的NKVD的长时间审问,殴打和长达数周的牢牢监禁。 苏联军队的一支骑兵小队对“亚洲人”士兵发动了性攻击-正是她无法告诉自己的那种-他们的气味会在深夜甚至50年后将她唤醒。

那就是我所谓的“全部看到”:双重大屠杀。 每当出现这种情况时,她便告诉所有人:“如果不是波兰人,那么波兰就不会有一个犹太人幸存下来。” 约有100,000人幸存,躲在波兰人中间。 后者中肯定有比Yad Vashem的6,706更多的“义人”。

尽管有大量的文献证据,但德国占领者对波兰施加了什么样的地狱,却通常被忽略。 在这种环境中,最坏的人类元素会从平时潜伏的黑暗角落出现。 这对肇事者来说都是一样的---看几十个最纳粹最execution子手的画像 奥斯卡·迪鲁万格(Oskar Dirlewanger) or 海因里希·穆勒 就是要看到纯洁的邪恶-和受害人群。

嘲笑犹太人或杀死或抢劫他们的波兰人之所以没有这样做,是因为他们是波兰人,而是因为他们是犯罪分子,卑鄙的人或怯co的人。 有些,我们无从得知有多少,因为他们讨厌犹太人。 正如我们无法知道Commie秘密警察中有多少波兰人的犹太政委一样, 所罗门·莫雷尔(Salomon Morel), 朱莉娅·布瑞斯蒂吉尔 or 伊扎克·弗莱施法布(Izaak Fleischfarb) -因为他们讨厌波兰人而遭受酷刑,有多少人因为他们憎恨反共主义者而遭受酷刑,还有多少人因为他们是缺乏良心的机会主义者而遭受酷刑。

对称地,一些大屠杀否认者会招募犹太人贫民窟的警察,卡波什,告密者,野蛮人和战时犹太人的剥削者,以证明犹太人本身就是大屠杀的同谋。 但不是; 犹太人也有少数不适合品尝的标本,大屠杀的恐怖使他们得以浮出水面。

的悲惨历史 “波兰安娜·弗兰克” 她和她的家人窥见了当时的现实:贫民窟,由于伯父在尤登拉特(Judenrat)的特权地位而进行的营救,由一位高尚的德国军官再次营救,在两个城市的多个波兰人再次营救,以及悲惨的结局德国之手因匿名告密。

用最坏的一面抹上波兰全国的污点,总比谈论“犹太人高利贷”,“犹太人专横”,“犹太银行家”或“犹太人布尔什维克主义”更好。 但是还有更多。

在1850年至1945年之间的近一百年里,直到现在为止,程度较小的一面,包括第三帝国的反常现象,包括波兰在内的欧洲东部三分之一(包括波兰)的反犹太主义比西方更深,更偏执,是欧亚的穆斯林组成部分。 有多种原因,有些是双向的,另一种是多元文化主义的悲剧谬误所固有的。 双方都只说出了他们方便的事实真相,在这里讨论太多了。 但是奇怪的是,所有以色列和犹太人的愤怒都是针对波兰,而只有波兰。 让我解释。

首先,在德国,法国和其他黑死病以及与十字军东征有关的大屠杀和驱逐13人中,阿什肯纳兹犹太人的整个属种可能已经灭绝。th 4th 和5th 轴车削中心th 几个世纪以来,波兰主权君主BolesławPobożny(虔诚的Bolesław)和国王Kazimierz III Wielki(卡西米尔三世“大帝”)都没有逃亡, 皇家保护.

其次,波兰是德国占领的欧洲中唯一一个没有合作政府,也没有Waffen SS或任何其他从事德国人湿工作的单位的志愿者的国家。 在德国的集中营中没有波兰的集中营,也没有波兰的警卫队-但是有俄罗斯,乌克兰,立陶宛,拉脱维亚和其他类似的警卫执行者。 我妈妈看到他们“在工作”。

只有一个不为人知的例外: “蓝色警察。” 它隶属于德国警察,由大约11,000名战前波兰警察组成,他被波兰纳粹统治者汉斯·弗兰克(Hans Frank)命令下班,并处以死刑。 尽管他们的任务是维持简单的法律和秩序,但他们确实参加了街头围捕活动,并且许多人参与了针对犹太人的勒索,窃贼和其他卑鄙的行径,但并未参与大规模杀戮。 而且无论他们做什么,与战争时代相比,它仍然苍白无力 法语, 荷兰人, 挪威语 和德国占领的欧洲的其他警察部队。 此外,在1939年至1941年被苏联占领的波兰地区, “红色警察” 由与苏维埃合作的犹太人,乌克兰人和白俄罗斯人组成,他们对波兰人采取的行动是“蓝色警察”对德国占领区中的犹太人所做的事情。

有超过400,000万波兰人与欧洲最大的地下军队中的德国占领者作战,他们处决了任何与德国人合作的行为,从而损害了波兰人 or 犹太人在欧洲,有最多的外邦人冒着生命危险来帮助和庇护犹太人,这是欧洲唯一的国家,这样做的唯一刑罚是死于保护者及其整个家庭。 而且还有最大的流亡军队与希特勒交战:在英国指挥下的250,000万士兵无法帮助自己的家园,却在西方战线的许多决定性战斗中发挥了作用。

以色列作家在以色列媒体上看到的关于大屠杀诽谤法的唯一半平衡文章,塞思·弗朗兹曼(Seth Frantzman) “将历史推向前进–波兰抵抗了纳粹分子,” (《耶路撒冷邮报》,29年2018月XNUMX日)包含关于波兰抵抗运动的一句话:“与被送往死亡集中营的数百万犹太人相比,一些张贴和拆除的海报显得苍白无力。”

它比“张贴和拆除一些海报”要多得多。

波兰的恐怖,死亡,奴役和大面积破坏:被数百万人谋杀的人民,其文化,整个基础设施,学校,医院和首都全都废墟,比以色列人和犹太人似乎更感兴趣。 1.4万波兰人从家中被拖走,被迫在德国工厂和田地当奴隶,还不包括300,000万被迫被迫的军俘。 35,000至50,000波兰妇女被从街上抢走,并被迫向德国军用妓院提供“服务”。 XNUMX万男孩从其母亲手中被绑架,被带到德国,成为未来的雅利安党卫军成员,落后者因苯酚注射和可怕的医学实验而灭绝。

正如弗朗茨曼的文章所述,被德国人谋杀的波兰人的数量并非“至少为1.9万”,而是2.77万,即几乎等于被谋杀的波兰犹太人的2.7至2.9。 这还不包括150,000-1939年和1941-1944年间在波兰犹太人的大力合作下被苏联人杀害的1945万波兰人(2009年波兰国家纪念学院(IPN)数据)。 此外,大屠杀中的大部分是有针对性的“斩首”,德国人和苏联人在各自的占领区追求,以消灭波兰的行政,知识,科学,精神,法律和军事精英,然后再进行“淘汰”,然后正式奴役其余人口。 [看一个契约, 这些罪行的参考说明]

几乎没有一个波兰家庭没有遭受过德国人的谋杀,无论是任意零售还是有计划的批发,拖到集中营或盖世太保屠宰场,残酷地成为奴隶劳动或征用和流放远离家庭和土地。 通常,以上所有。 以 850 年的美元计算,仅德国人对波兰造成的物质损失就达到 1 亿至 2018 万亿美元。 德国甚至没有为此支付赔偿金,尽管在 1952 年至 2017 年期间,它在与以色列国和犹太大屠杀幸存者的许多赔偿协议中支付了数十亿德国马克和欧元,还有待定的额外协议,以至于非专家已经没有办法全部加起来。

第三:相对于波兰这种可憎的,全球性的,来自以色列和犹太社会各方面的仇视,人们并没有听到太多关于他们现在对许多纳粹合作者和直接逼迫者的愤怒,他们遭到了迫害,围捕。在克罗地亚,匈牙利,立陶宛,罗马尼亚,斯洛伐克,乌克兰等国家和地区大规模杀害犹太人。

有多少以色列政客和媒体专家评论了纳粹盟友和犹太人(和波兰人)的大规模杀人犯的巨型肖像 斯蒂芬·班德拉, 罗曼·舒克维奇(Roman Shukhevych) 和Yevhen Konovalets, 通过崇拜“麦丹革命”的人群来承担 在利沃夫州和基辅市说,“ maidan”得到至少两名具有以色列国籍的犹太乌克兰寡头的热情支持吗?

我尚未听到以色列政府谴责克罗地亚大规模庆祝安特·帕维尔奇(Ante Pavelic)和克罗地亚乌斯塔沙(Ustasha)的庆祝活动,这些庆祝活动是由 Jasenovac 以色列人所说的集中营 Gehenom 和波兰人打电话 根纳, 更令人毛骨悚然 比德国人最糟糕的

美国犹太人委员会对匈牙利的乔布比政党没有雷声,匈牙利是第三大国,在20.5年国民议会选举中获得2014%的选票,公开地是法西斯主义,而且狂热 讨厌犹太人 其中包括2012年在议会席上涉嫌提萨尔祖拉(Tiszaeszlár)血腥诽谤及其臭名昭著的审判,该臭名昭著的审判曾于1883年被匈牙利法官以检察官欺诈罪驳回。

立陶宛在以色列和犹太媒体中没有协调一致的暴风雨。 没有Jan T. Gross的畅销书,涉及立陶宛人在将犹太人绑架和送交delivery子手方面的大规模合作,并自愿向Waffen党卫军和德国集中营的守卫单位提供志愿服务。 现在,一些主要的罪犯,例如 乔纳斯·诺雷卡(Jonas Noreika),以公共牌匾获得荣誉,立陶宛合作主义政府首脑 JuozasAmbrazevičius西蒙·维森塔尔中心(Simon Wiesenthal Center)的埃夫拉姆·祖洛夫(Efraim Zuroff)与犹太人“大规模杀害”纳粹分子并“积极鼓励”立陶宛人参与其中,他于2012年获得了正式的国家葬礼,并获得了全额荣誉。

考那斯举行了隆重的葬礼,是立陶宛大屠杀的所在地。 成千上万的犹太人被立陶宛民兵杀害 before 德军的到来在这里 第七堡 是立陶宛人在德国占领区建立的第一个也是唯一的犹太人集中营,他们的主要任务是 陶蒂尼奥·达尔博·阿普索戈斯·巴塔里奥纳斯 是考纳斯以及立陶宛和白俄罗斯其他地方的犹太人的谋杀案。

带着所有这些,以色列/犹太人在一场关于波兰法律的公开风暴中,要求将大屠杀推向政府和人民执行大屠杀的国家(德国)的家门口? 为什么呢?有人可能开始注意到某些波兰人的抱怨,这全都与金钱有关。 运用媒体操纵的公众舆论和 美国国会 以及 英国议会 以便在与波兰政府就“归还财产”问题进行谈判时获得优势,因为在犹太人的主人在大屠杀中被谋杀后,这些没有指定继承权的资产没有继承人。

考虑到波兰对德国人谋杀和没收原始所有人不承担任何责任,而将在2018年进行掠夺的美国犹太人和以色列组织也没有任何所有权的证明,并且在任何情况下都是如此,这将是一个非常独特的安排,而不是继承于1939年至1945年在德国占领下的德国人之手的波兰无he无遗的犹太公民的继承人。

此外,波兰已经根据条约与多个国家/地区就所有在波兰的合法财产索偿要求提供了赔偿。 在波兰,可以通过通常的司法手段提出进一步的要求。 最后,根据1997年的波兰法律,波兰的犹太人组织归还了2,500多个德国人没收或毁坏的公共财产,如犹太教堂,墓地和文化中心。

尽管如此,通过精心策划一场关于“犹太人的波兰杀人犯”的国际风暴,可以与历史相得益彰,并惊人地招募美国国会和英国议会来竞标,可以取得很多成就。 XNUMX月份的招聘似乎导致了美国大手笔的举动,其举动可能超过了任何类似的先例。

6月XNUMX日,波兰(欧洲) 发现 美国国务院最近的一份备忘录的存在,宣布新的波兰法律是对言论自由的不可接受的侵犯。 备忘录给波兰政府提供了三点最后通atum:要么“解决”这个问题-不用说令美国和国际犹太人满意,否则波兰领导人将被禁止参加白宫会议,美国国会将冻结联合军事经费波兰的一些项目,包括在北约框架内派驻美军,如果根据新法律被控告美国公民,将产生进一步的“戏剧性”后果。

迈克尔·布伦丹·道格蒂(Michael Brendan Dougherty)在《国家评论》的页面上问, “北约是在波兰阻止俄罗斯人还是波兰人?” 的确。

撇开你在泰国的达尔伊斯兰教那里亵渎神灵所得到的一切,侮辱国王将使你被判入狱3至70年。 在英国,如果您对英国人口统计学的巴基斯坦化或其文化的伊斯兰化表示不满,则一条推文会让您在第二天早晨3点钟被警察敲门,而如果您的孩子侄女是由一群帮派“修饰”的, “亚洲人”在15年的时间里,整个时期的执法都将陷入紧张状态。 在德国,司法部长海科·马斯(Heiko Maas)被任命为前Stasi经纪人Anetta Kahane,负责监督德国互联网,删除“仇恨言论”并起诉其作者。

在瑞典,反对对话或社交媒体帖子中的“移民”将使您在犯罪最左边的Expressen报纸上遭到黑客入侵和“外出”,包括您的照片,法定姓名,电子邮件和实际地址,以便法西斯主义者安提法暴徒可能会更好地找到你。 而且,对于您的雇主,邻居,未婚妻和家人,您确切地知道自己是种族主义者纳粹,并且做对了事。 在美国,对“有色人种”的批评或对种族或性别差异的诚实谈论也将自动终止您的工作,生计和终身职业。

美国愿意在所有这些极端事件中保持盲目,但它以“言论自由”为借口欺凌和勒索波兰,因为波兰不再希望被释放为大屠杀的肇事者。 特朗普政府中谁将这一令人遗憾的闹剧付诸行动?

第3部分:在我们交谈之前

没什么 在新的波兰“大屠杀诽谤法”中,该法律禁止或惩罚有关波兰人在大屠杀期间或其他任何时候对犹太人的渎职行为的言论。 它仅与将大屠杀归咎于波兰国家和粉饰德国对此负有责任有关。 无论如何,让这种言论盛行,并谈论拯救犹太人免遭谋杀的波兰人。 但是,让它成为对话,而不是独白。

让我们也谈谈犹太人对波兰人的迫害和谋杀,然后是对俄罗斯人和匈牙利人的迫害和谋杀-在整个55世纪前20年中,强度和强度各有不同。 当然,并不是所有的犹太人都参与共产主义的恶作剧,但是各个共产党的主要创始人和共产主义恐怖与混乱的执行者要么占多数(匈牙利,尤其是1919年,同上德国),要么数量惊人(苏联于1917-1935年)。和波兰(1918-1920,1939-1941,1944-1956),犹太人。

我不能得出结论,除非至少回顾一下美国犹太人对这片土地的最新称赞,无论他们还是他们在波兰生活了600年(主要是作为外国人和被疏远者的殖民地)的移民祖先,对美国都没有丝毫兴趣。 。

拉比·梅纳赫姆·莱文(Rabbi Menachem Levine)为了确保首先通过引用伏尔泰和后来的桑塔亚那(Santanaana)在西方文化中赢得一些信誉,在《华盛顿时报》(20年2018月XNUMX日)的页面上宣称: “波兰的新大屠杀法律是对大屠杀中数百万被谋杀的犹太人的又一招。” 莱文援引他的其他信条作为“四名波兰大屠杀幸存者的孙子”(我是无孙子),称法律为“耻辱和嘲弄”。

莱文在注入关于“ 6,700个波兰人被Yad Vashem认可”的陈词滥调的同时,重复了所有论点,如何使波兰人“使大屠杀成为可能”,包括“被动地观察”和“热情地支持”,以及为什么所有这些波兰发生了一起大屠杀。 所有这一切都在与纳粹的波兰国旗下 哈肯克罗兹 施加于其上的内容-匆匆从原始文章中删除(对企业等不利),但保留在波兰媒体中,例如 点击此处.

在此,我判处好拉比强制参加为期四天的研讨会,该研讨会将在自由王国的善牧者耶舒亚教堂举行,作为关于在波兰杀害谁的真实对话的序言。 作为上课的一项条件,请记下这些名字,并准备在第一天见面时对它们有所了解:

  • 雅各布·伯曼(Jakub Berman)
  • 希拉里·明克(Hilary Minc)
  • 罗曼·罗姆科夫斯基(又名NatanGrünspan)
  • 阿纳托尔·费金(Anatol Fejgin)
  • JózefŚwiatło(又名Izaak Fleischfarb,又名“屠夫”)
  • JacekRóżański(又名Josek Goldberg)
  • 安东尼·阿尔斯特(又名Nachum阿尔斯特),
  • 海伦娜·查雅·阿尔滕贝格(Helena Chaja Altenberg)
  • 莱昂·安德热耶夫斯基(Leon Andrzejewski)
  • 古斯塔夫·奥斯卡勒(Gustaw Auscaler)(逃到以色列)
  • 齐格蒙特·布劳德(Zygmunt Braude)
  • MieczysławBroniatowski
  • 朱莉娅·布莱斯捷(Julia Prajs,又名“血腥露娜”)
  • 约瑟夫·查普利基(又名伊兹多尔·库尔克)
  • 贝雷克·爱森斯坦
  • 马雷克·芬克(Marek Fink)
  • 斯蒂芬·芬克尔(Stefan Finkel)
  • 艾丽嘉·格拉夫(Alicja Graff)
  • 卡齐米兹·格拉夫(Kazimierz Graff)
  • Mieczysław(Szmul)格罗斯
  • 玛丽亚·古洛斯卡(Maria Gurowska)
  • 威克托·赫里尔(Wiktor Herer)
  • 亚当·胡默(Adam Humer)
  • 爱德华·卡莱基(Edward Kalecki)
  • 宝琳·科恩(Pauline Kern)
  • 约瑟夫·尤尔科夫斯基(又名约瑟克·容曼,逃到丹麦)
  • WacławKomar(又名Mendel Kossoj)
  • 朱利安·科纳(Julian Konar)
  • 约瑟夫·克拉特科(JózefKratko)
  • 阿杰·莫卡(AjzerMąka)
  • 松克·莫卡(PinekMąka)
  • 埃米尔·梅尔兹(Emil Merz)
  • Stefan Michnik(又名Stefan Szechter,逃到瑞典)
  • Mieczyslaw Mietkowski(又名Mojzesz Bobrowicki)
  • 所罗门·莫雷(Salomon Morel)(逃到以色列)
  • 齐格蒙特·奥克朗(ZygmuntOkręt)
  • 布罗尼斯瓦(Boruch)内卡姆斯基斯
  • 亨利克·皮亚塞斯基(Henryk Piasecki),(又名伊兹拉尔·柴姆·佩斯)
  • 萝拉·波托克(Lola Potok)
  • 里昂·鲁宾斯汀
  • Maksymilian Schnepf(aka Maksymilian Sznepf)
  • 什洛莫·辛格(Shlomo Singer)
  • Michał(Mojżesz)Taboryski
  • 本杰明·瓦斯布尔奇(Benjamin Wajsblech)
  • Aleksander Warecki(又名Aleksander Warenhaupt)
  • 齐格蒙特·威泽伯格
  • HelenaWolińska(又名Fajga Mindla Danielak,又名Helena Brus,逃到了英格兰)

这些是47年至1944年在波兰经营共产主义恐怖机器的犹太人的名字,其中大多数穿着军装,并且与苏联NKVD有密切联系。 一些是秘密警官,审讯者和酷刑者,一些是集中营和监狱的指挥官,一些是军事法官和检察官,还有一些思想家为共产主义恐怖活动辩护。 还有两个人,雅各布·伯曼(Jakub Berman)和希拉里·明克(Hilary Minc),是强硬的斯大林主义者的三分之二,后者代表乔叔叔用铁拳统治了波兰。

专业的历史学家可能会想出更多有关这种恐怖行为的犹太执行者的名字和实例,但是我只是一个非专业的作家,尽管他具有广泛的学术背景,没有预先设定的议程。 这是一个难以驾驭的领域,需要进行严格的研究,而又要避免受到政治上正确的限制和反犹太主义的确认偏见。

要记住的重要一点是,这些名称代表的是一个群体,仅占该群体的37% 安全恐怖仪器 波兰的犹太少数民族在移徙后达到了100,000人,占波兰人口的0.4%,从35年的1938万减少到23.6年的1946万。

研究这些名称将需要花费几周的时间,但如果没有这些名称,您将无法对战后时代的波兰犹太关系的任何方面形成看法。 您会找到有关更著名名称的参考Wikipedia条目。 有一些相关的英语文献,例如Marek Jan Chodakiewicz的 痛苦的辩证法:1944-1955年波兰共产党秘密警察的讯问方法 和约翰·萨克(John Sack)的 以眼还眼,尽管后者展示了由犹太人经营的数十个战后波兰共产集中营,这些集中营仅与德国囚犯有关,尽管波兰反共,地下反德国以及波兰西里西亚少数民族也有许多囚犯。 如果您只想阅读一份简短的波兰语在线文字,那就是 1944年至1956年波兰人民共和国安全部门的面孔 (标题翻译),带有照片。

研讨会的第二部分称为“波兰犹太人的合作和参与2–1919年布尔什维克入侵以及1920–1939年苏联入侵和种族灭绝的影响”。 请注意,吉达瓦涅处于后者的入侵地区。 在准备过程中,请研究名称Jan Karski。 转到胡佛研究所档案网站,Jan Karski网页,单击“任务”,再单击“ Karski的报告”。 点击标签 “家里有犹太人的问题” 。” 阅读报告。 这令人心碎,但我们将重点放在第6页和第7页上。该报告使用波兰语,但是除非您学习阅读波兰语,否则您对这一领域的兴趣是不真诚的。 进一步的书目清单将在课堂上分发。

第3部分被称为“另一只脚上的鞋子-反共波兰人的犹太救援人员在1945年至1955年间受到苏-波兰-犹太共产主义当局的迫害和杀害。” 您的讲师页面空白,因此角色将互换。 您将独立研究该主题,并在课堂上展示您的发现。

研讨会将以题为“如果您拥抱,您就被拥抱”的演讲结束。 与犹太人和波兰人相互排斥,敌对的大规模国际宣传形象相反,前者是后者种族灭绝的受害者,我们将讨论犹太人,他们作为波兰爱国者在军事和文化战役中为波兰,今天在那个国家受到尊敬。 他们是犹太人中的少数,但很明显,他们有充分的理由去爱波兰并为此而死。

这里在文化方面有太多要提及的地方,但是就军事问题而言,我们将讨论别列克·约瑟维兹(Berek Joselewicz),他是科希丘兹科起义期间波兰起义军全犹太轻骑兵团的上校兼司令。 ,后来在拿破仑战争中的其他波兰编队中使用; 伯纳德·蒙德少校,步兵营的指挥官,在1919-1920年对布尔什维克入侵军的战争中,到1939年成为波兰6的总司令th 步兵师温斯顿·丘吉尔(Country Krystyna Skarbek)和温斯顿·丘吉尔(Country Krystyna Skarbek)以及伊恩·弗莱明(Ian Fleming)最喜欢的特种部队间谍。

在其他标志物中,包括第一次世界大战期间为争取波兰独立而战的650名犹太志愿军,这些城镇是波兰城镇,犹太社区与波兰邻居结盟,反对1-1919年的布尔什维克入侵,反对那些支持波兰的犹太社区,第二次世界大战期间,数百名犹太人在波兰民族主义地下军队中作战(到1920年,大约2名犹太人的名字被确定),此外,大约有2001万犹太人于250年被征召入伍,并经历了艰难的命运。战争年代的波兰士兵和军官。

当我和我的主要士兵在一张桌子旁玩耍时,我第一次遇到这里提到的最恐怖的犹太名字,大人在桌子旁边,从墙另一侧的通勤金枪声中窃窃私语。 这些成年人是波兰人,波兰犹太人和我的父母,他们是两者的混合体。 他们各自大屠杀的所有幸存者以及所有朋友。

在过去的20年中,世界犹太人一直在不懈地对波兰和波兰人民进行这种集体狩猎,而美国国会和英国议会则充当猎物的殴打者,这是可耻的。 经过500年与东西方抗击侵略者斗争后,不断企图从一个试图站稳脚跟的国家榨取财产和数十亿美元,然后牺牲了自己的财宝和许多最优秀的人来拯救西部维也纳于1683年成立,随后几十年又被俄国,普鲁士和奥地利三重占领了146年,随后独立仅20年就开始了一场激烈的两年战争,这场战争结束了布尔什维克对欧洲的入侵,其后是被德国占领近6年的地狱,随后被盟国背叛,并掠夺和压迫波兰人占领了苏联长达45年之久,随后,直到1989年,波兰通过波兰掠夺了工业,商业,农业和自然资源 有害处所 of 杰弗里·萨克斯(Jeffrey Sachs)/乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)经济学随后,自2015年XNUMX月以来,欧洲多元文化社会主义者联盟(EU)及其遍布全球的阿门游击队进行了不懈的攻击-为什么,这不仅仅是一个耻辱。

我将把描述性单词的选择留给您。

 
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  1. 还有其他历史并发症,在我的博客中提到:

    Jun 6, 2016 – Appeasing Poland

    我们都知道邪恶的纳粹入侵捷克斯洛伐克,但没有人提到波兰先抢了一块。 27 年 1938 月 625 日,在华沙发出威胁性的最后通牒之后,捷克斯洛伐克将面积约 230,000 平方英里、人口 XNUMX 人的 Tesin (Teschen) 区割让给波兰。

    一年后德国和苏联入侵波兰时,为什么英国和法国也没有对苏联宣战? 历史远比我们在美国教育机构阅读的无聊漫画书复杂和有趣。

  2. This short video goes into quite a bit of detail of the toxic influence Jews had in Poland (and elsewhere)

  3. 由于这个话题是关于波兰和二战的,所以请允许我在讨论中抛出这个手榴弹:

    Oct 13, 2010 – Was Churchill Worse than Hitler?

    I just finished Pat Buchanan’s new book: “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War”. Good read. All our official history is government propaganda. Sane people agree that America’s entry into World War I was a horrible mistake. The war was a stalemate by 1916 and the cause of the war were ill thought alliances, so a truce would have resulted. Instead, American intervention encouraged two more years of senseless fighting that nearly destroyed the major European powers. As a result, the communists took power in Russia and the punitive Armistice was a disaster that resulted in World War II.

    Buchanan asserts that World War II was a mistake as well. Hitler was a bad guy, but desired an empire to the East, and the evil Soviet Union was his target. He never wanted war with the West, and admired Great Britain. Buchanan exposes Winston Churchill as a crazed warmonger who destroyed the British Empire by pushing it into World War I and World War II. In 1938, Poland’s dictator joined Germany and Hungary in gobbling up the post World War I British creation of Czechoslovakia. Hitler then courted Poland as an ally against Stalin.

    But Poland’s dictator was arrogant, insulted Hitler, and refused to discuss a Danzig rail corridor to East Prussia, which other nations thought a reasonable demand. After Hitler moved troops to threaten Poland, the British prime minister made a rash decision to declare Poland an ally. This made Poland’s dictator confident so he refused any talks with Hitler, who invaded and crushed Poland. Hitler hoped that Britain and France were bluffing about war, and forbade anything but defensive combat on the French frontier, but changed his mind after Anglo-French aggressions. One can only guess how things may have turned out if the British had not foolishly promised to back Poland. Although World War II was “won”, it killed tens of millions of people, destroyed much of Europe, and left half of Europe under communist tyranny.

    Pat Buchanan deserves great credit for discussing the real history of the “Good War”. This contrasts with Tom Brokaw’s simplistic 1998 “The Greatest Generation”, from which he pocketed millions of dollars for writing a propaganda tale that implies the greatest achievement of our nation is fighting wars. World War II combat veteran Paul Fussell wrote several honest (and unpopular) books about war. He noted that only one million Americans volunteered for World War II, mostly because they needed jobs during the economic depression. The other 11 million were drafted and spent the war disgruntled and scheming for a discharge. Only later did they recall their unselfish crusade for freedom.

  4. snag 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Concentrate and try to stay on the subject – In regard to Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts it wouldn’t hurt to refuel your tank with a ‘knowledge’ up there with facts instead rehashing this crap whenever and wherever you can ,…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts

    波兰文
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polsko-czechos%C5%82owackie_konflikty_graniczne

    • 回复: @Beckow
    , @aandrews
    , @Gleongelpi
  5. German_reader 说:

    我们知道,据推测,这个词已经在德国国家和省级媒体中使用过

    How do you know that? Are there studies documenting this is a widespread term in German media? Because I can’t recall ever having read it, certainly not in the sense that it was claimed the extermination camps were somehow under Polish control. If the term is used at all, in most cases it will be due to thoughtlessness, not deliberate obfuscation, and merely in a geographical sense.
    当然,该 我们的母亲,我们的父亲 电视剧在某些部分相当有问题,波兰的抗议是有道理的。 但是,德国没有有组织的运动将大屠杀的责任转移到波兰身上。 这仅存在于波兰右翼人士的想象中。

    德国甚至没有为此支付赔偿金,尽管在 1952 年至 2017 年之间,它在与以色列国和犹太大屠杀幸存者的许多赔偿协议中支付了数十亿德国马克和欧元,

    Yes, but Israel didn’t get one quarter of pre-war German territory, plus the satisfaction of taking revenge by ethnically cleansing a few million Germans. Bit one-sided to leave this “detail” unmentioned.

    • 同意: AndrewR
  6. Dube [又名“基因多布里”] 说:

    The sudden backlash, especially from Israel, was a surprise because the Israeli ambassador, Anna Azari, or her Deputy, had been meeting with the Poles for more than a year, without objection, observing the development of the bill.

    It’s crucial to note that the new law proscribes accusations against “the Polish nation or the Polish state” as such, and at that level only.

    Wikipedia has a worthwhile treatment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_on_the_Institute_of_National_Remembrance

    The proposed law modifies a previous law relating to the Institute of National Remembrance (namely, the Act of 18 December 1998 on the – Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (Dz.U. 1998 nr 155 poz. 1016)).

    第 55a 条:
    1. [Anyone] who, in public and against the facts, ascribes to the Polish Nation or to the Polish State, responsibility or co-responsibility for Nazi crimes committed by the Third Reich, [as] defined in Article 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Annex to the Agreement for the prosecution and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis, signed in London on August 8, 1945 […], or for other offences which are crimes against peace [or] humanity or [that are] war crimes, or who otherwise grossly reduces the responsibility of the actual perpetrators of said crimes, is subject to a fine or [to] imprisonment for up to 3 years. The judgment shall be made public.

    2. If a perpetrator of the act referred to in paragraph 1 has acted unintentionally, [such person] shall be subject to a fine or community sentence [(pl)].

    3. No offense referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 shall have been committed if the act was performed as part of artistic or scholarly activity.

  7. 嗯。 。 。,

    I think the Armenians had better jump in on this.

  8. Wally 说: • 您的网站

    One of longest ‘6M Jews’ pieces of propaganda ever presented on https://www.unz.com
    没有提供任何证据。

    Max Denken tries to slide by the utterly impossible ‘holocaust’ fantasy under the guise of 波兰人和犹太人争论吹牛的权利 is truly hilarious. A great example of GIGO: ‘garbage in, garbage out.

    哦! 当我们第一次练习欺骗时,我们编织了多么纠结的网络=

    See Max Denken & his easily debunked ‘holocau$t’ nonsense further debunked in this thread:
    https://www.unz.com/freed/the-future-of-the-jews/

    我们所说的是所谓的“ 6万犹太人和5M其他人”……11,000,000万。
    尽管犹太人声称仍然存在,但没有一个可验证的挖掘出的巨大坟墓,其内容实际上是被展示的,而不仅仅是被宣称的(请记住,埋葬在Treblinka的900,000,在奥斯威辛集中营的1,250,000,在Sobibor的250,000,在Babi Yar的34,000)。并声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里。

    只有谎言需要言论自由和思想犯罪的审查和监禁。

    Wise up & see the ‘holocaust’ scam easily & thoroughly debunked here: http://codoh.com
    Join in, No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  9. I musty have had some great history instructors and read some fi8nme texts, becauyse when i here the term

    “Polish Concentration Camps”

    I immediately understood that it was not a Polish endeavour, whatever the machinations between Polish Catholics, atheists, Baptists . . . etc and Polish Jews.

    I had always taken the reality as a given. The same would apply to Czechoslovakian Concentration Camps, during WWII were a German invention and application.

    I never knew there was much in the way of not “metoo” on the matter.

    • 回复: @snag
  10. Gret 说:

    Nice write-up, but it will take time to at least make the views more moderate. The dislike for Poland from the West and Jews comes from a spontaneous thinking, characteristic for humans, that is attributing bad traits to poor and peripheral countries

    Eastern Europe is poorer, less important and prestigious = Eastern Europe is violent, stupid, vulgar, lazy, ugly. This is how everybody thinks also of Africa, Latin America or american “rednecks”. While prestigious and important countries are intelligent, insightful, sophisticated

    Anyway, relations between Poland and Middle East are illusory and mostly courteous. Whether Israel likes or dislikes Poland matters very little. What I find pathetic is the expansiveness that polish politicans offer for the Jews. Jews have reacted very harshly and polish politicians use this effusive language

    This is why in politics you should think twice before you use effusive language, because then it’s intellectually and emotionally harder to deal with surprises and setbacks

  11. animalogic 说:

    Good balanced article (except for the usual cult-marxist nonsence about the MSM…as if some bilge about diversity, homosexuals, whatever makes such “organs” as the WP or NYT ” left’: 40 years spruiking neoliberalism and neoconservativism does NOT “left” make.
    I’m happy to discuss “the holocaust”. When Jews are mentioned, I ask “and”?. I’m looking for these terms: Gypsy, socialist, Jehovah’s Witness, communist, Slav, and so on.
    Jews/Israel have been running to the holocaust well over 70 years now, and its starting to run DRY.

    • 回复: @Paw
  12. WHAT 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Maybe you should read “Sleepwalkers” by Christopher Clark instead. It actually explains british strategic imperative and why WWI and WWII, as well as preceding Mitteleuropa wars were inevitable.

  13. Dan Herman 说:

    波兰所做的是打开潘多拉魔盒,内塔尼亚胡或任何犹太人都无法关闭它。历史现在可供辩论......

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Art
  14. What a long article for a simple matter.

    Auschwitz was where it was because there was abundant water and coal there, from which synthetic rubber, Buna, was made, high octane airplane fuel and lubrication oil.
    The USA also used the Buna process, as the USA was cut off from all natural rubber, without this IG Farben process it is difficult to see how the uSA could have waged war.
    Even Ben Gurion at the end of 1944 saw Auschwitz as work camps.

    The abundant water makes impossible the stories about huge pits in which bodies were burned, and babies thrown in alive.
    The water level was close under the surface.

    That Poles did not like their jews can be read in many books.
    Gross describes a massacre, I have little reason to doubt it.
    Lithuanians killed their jews in the woods before the Germans were there.
    How many jews Poles and Lithuanians killed, w’ll never know.
    Even in 1967 Poland allowed the jews to go, Gross was one of them who went.
    From various sources my impression is that the hatred of jews found its origin in that jews controlled the economy.

    Bogdan Musial,1941年至1944年的“ Sowjetische Partisanen”,Mythos und Wirklichkeit,Paderborn,2009年
    How jews were not admitted into resistance groups.

    安妮·阿普尔鲍姆(Anne Applebaum),“东西方之间,穿越欧洲边界”,伦敦,1995年
    ‘Hitler did horrible things, but he liberated us from the jews’.

    孤独星球指南“爱沙尼亚、拉脱维亚和立陶宛”,Nicola Williams、Debra Herrmann、Cathryn Kemp,2003 年,澳大利亚维多利亚。
    Resistance in Lithuania against restauration of the ghetto, with UN money, in parliament something was said as ‘must the Lithuanians again become the slaves of the jews’

    丹·雅各布森(Dan Jacobson),《 Heshels Rijk Familiekroniek》,阿姆斯特丹,1998年
    The killings of jews by Lithuanians

    克里斯托弗·布朗宁(Christopher R. Browning),“普通人,预备役101营和波兰的最终解决方案”,1992年,2001年,伦敦
    Pictures of jews beaten to death in Kaunas, Lithuania

    扬·T·格罗斯(Jan T. Gross),《邻居,1941年波兰耶德瓦讷犹太社区的破坏》,2003年,伦敦

    About the present controversy Israel Poland, Poland has become more or less wealthy, and is a EU member, another source of money for Israel, in my opinion.

    • 回复: @RobinG
    , @snag
  15. @Carlton Meyer

    Hitler a bad guy, not in the eyes of Germans interviewed in the eighties, who voted for Hitler in the thirties, 1938 was the happiest year in their life.

    Kai S. Schreyber(Hrsg。),“ Warum wir ADOLF HITLERwählten,Jungwählervon 1933/38 berichten',2001年,基尔

  16. Wally 说:

    Denken absurdly cites Jan Karski, truly nutter stuff.
    now see:
    A Fake Eyewitness to Mass Murder at Belzec
    By Theodore J. O’Keefe, https://codoh.com/library/document/398/?lang=en
    和:
    ‘the preposterous Jan Karski, a review of his claims’:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10078&p=85168
    摘抄:
    Karski claims:
    – the Germans used quicklime for mass extermination of Jews
    – trains full of Jews quivered and twitched, their flesh throbbed
    – but he then admitted he had no proof

    这里更多:
    http://www.cwporter.com/karski.htm
    以及更多:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=jan+karski

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”
    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    Just like the ‘truth & fact’ of witchcraft, the ‘holocaust’ scam is just not that difficult to debunk.
    修正主义者只是使者,可笑的“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬不可能是信息。
    http://www.codoh.com

  17. @Carlton Meyer

    弗里茨·彼得·哈贝尔(Fritz Peter Habel),《死亡的德国人》,1992年,2002年,慕尼黑

    There is no doubt that the Tsjechs discriminated the Germans in Sudetenland, then Chechoslovakia.
    This even was the conclusion of a British diplomat, send by London to investigate, around 1938.
    As to the German occupation, Hitler feared Russian bombers, that could easily destroy the Ruhr industries from Tsjech airports.

    • 回复: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Paw
  18. animalogic 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “After Hitler moved troops to threaten Poland, the British prime minister made a rash decision to declare Poland an ally. ”
    There’s nothing I really disagree with in your comment, per se.
    But, i ‘d like to add one point. British strategy had been the same for many years” NO single power, such as France or Spain should control the Continent. So what to do about Germany AND the USSR ? In 1938/9 which appeared the most expansionist ? Which the greater IMMEDIATE threat ? Unencumbered by a Western threat how much power would Germany accumulate moving East ?
    Pick your devil…

    • 回复: @WHAT
  19. @Carlton Meyer

    ” But Poland’s dictator was arrogant, insulted Hitler, and refused to discuss a Danzig rail corridor to East Prussia, which other nations thought a reasonable demand. ”

    A bit more complicated, Poland feared another split if it remained neutral.
    The British guarantee brought it on the British side.
    But rumour is that even FDR gave a guarantee in August 1939.
    If any country was betrayed by GB and FDR it was Poland.

    西蒙·纽曼(Simon Newman),《 1939年1976月,英国对波兰的担保,英国外交政策连续性研究》,XNUMX年,牛津

    尚·尚贝克(Come Jean Szembek),波隆大学校长,1933年– 1939年,《日记》,1952年巴黎

    扬·西恰诺夫斯基(Jan Ciechanowski),《凡尔赛宫》中的vormals polnischer Botschafter,苏黎世(VürichblicherSieg),苏黎世,1948年(1947年,纽约战败)

    戴维·欧文(David Irving),“事故-西科斯基将军的死”,1979年,慕尼黑(德语翻译)

  20. @Carlton Meyer

    Historians wonder why Hitler was not attacked in early 1938, when the considerable Tsjech army also still existed.
    The combined military might of Poland, France, GB, Tsjechslovakia might have beaten Germany quickly, if necessary strenghtened by the USSR.
    The only possible explanation they can think of is that FDR wanted a long war, in which the USA would emerge as the winner, global leader at the same time.

  21. utu 说:

    Mr. Denken, You have just used up all the ammunition you had by shooting aimlessly. The narrative you are trying to sell is so 20 century. It had some traction in Poland under Soviet umbrella when Poles when paradoxically allowed to entertain nationalistic and patriotic WWII stories about themselves. In which Poles along the Red Army were the bravest and the most noble and obviously they suffered the most and yes, there were also Jews but they were not talked about too much. The fascist Hitlerites were the enemies of the human race and they were the equal opportunity killers. Soviets and not only them did not want to make the WWII story about the Jews. Race and ethnicity did not fit the Marxist Weltanschauung.

    But times have changed and the narrative has shifted. Most of your arguments and numerical data can be undermined so you really do not want to go there. If you and Poland decide to go to fight using this ammunition you are doomed to fail. This is not about the truth anymore. Real bullets or blanks have the same effect. Stop shooting. Nobody really cares about your mother or some Jewish lady in Israel. Besides you are not going to out-whine Jews and out bid them in martyrological olympics. Jews have already won gold, silver and bronze medals in these games. Real man should not want to compete in these olympics anyway.

    Poland has no means to shift the narrative and has no friends to help her in it. Poland is alone. But this is nothing new for Poland. So what can be done? Unfortunately probably nothing with the government Poland has now. But with a truly patriotic government Poland could leverage her desirability to potential suitors.

    First of all military contracts with the US and Israel and future purchases of military equipment should be suspended and supplies should be looked for elsewhere. Instead of F-16 there are Eurofighter and Grippen.

    Next Poland should approach Germany and Russia to let her join the Nord Stream II project and start building a pipeline branch going to one of Polish ports on the Baltic sea.

    And be active in V4 but be more like Czechs or Hungarians because so far you act like American lackey and Czechs and Hungarians are getting irritated with you. Orban has recently expressed impatience that Poland does not want to lead. Be like Czechs who could make American ambassador to shut up and know his place. The same Czechs who you feel so superior to because they did not fight Germans and did not let their Prague to be destroyed as you did with your Warsaw.

    And as far as the WWII and Holocaust Poland can make few preemptive moves. The book by Jan Grabovski of U. of Toronto is about to be published in Poland. It was already widely covered and discussed in Israel. The book claims that Poles are responsible for the death of 200,000 Jews. This is 3.3% of 6 millions. I think Poland should accept this claim without a single objection and offer a pecuniary compensation right away but not to Israel or Jews but to Germany which already has paid for the 6,000,000. It is beneath Israel and Jews to double bill, right?

    Finally you should recapture control over institutions like Jewish Museum in Warsaw and Auschwitz Museum and in the long run hold a plan of closing Auschwitz down and ploughing it over. No more Israeli kids coming for indoctrination to Poland. Let bygones be bygones. And if you care for your Katyn dead so much exhume them and bring them to Poland so you won’t have to go to Russia. Let bygones be bygones.

    • 回复: @Ivan
    , @Wally
  22. sarz 说:

    The author certainly has his knickers in a twist. Must be tough to be on this wavelength all the time. I suggest some sessions of psilocybin. It’s a marvel to see a literate, somewhat informed individual, openly subscribing to the Holocaust tale. Maybe something to do with his mother’s claim of being raped. The Holocaust is the industialised murder of millions of Jews through gassing at select murder-factory sites. Or it’s nothing. The mass murder of Jews by shooting in Lithuania is not the Holocaust. If there were a Holocaust that would be a side note. If the author is sincere in his delusion, he should present his views to the skeptic experts at the forum at codoh.com.

  23. utu 说:

    The Ruderman Family Foundation film with “Polish Holocaust” meme was a missed opportunity. The meme “Polish Holocaust” is good. Instead of getting upset by it the meme should have been embraced. It is just like Jewish Holocaust. 6 millions Polish citizens lost lives during the WWII. They were Poles, Jews, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and even Germans.

  24. “The United States has willed itself to blindness in all these egregious instances, but it bullies and blackmails Poland under the pretext of “freedom of expression” because Poland no longer wishes to be libeled as the perpetrator of the Holocaust. Who in the Trump administration put this sorry farce in motion?”

    The bullying pre-dates the passage of the Holocaust Bill. Poland is one of a small handful of EU nations not included in the visa-waiver programme. In fact, one of President Trump’s still unfulfilled campaign promises was to remedy that immediately upon taking office.

    One can only wonder, given their geographic location, what level of pressure it will take to push Poland into a hobbesian choice between east and west. I’m surprised Putin isn’t already trying to flip them.

  25. The article is really pretty cringe-inducing, since it is such a confused jumble. I feel like it requires a comment, but to comment on it requires one to disentangle the mess somewhat.

    As I see it, there are basically two categories of confusion here: intellectual and moral.

    Most of the 7500 word article is devoted to pushing a certain very partisan view of the history. Basically, the author tacitly accepts that the victors’ version of WW2 is broadly correct and the endless demonization of Germans is something just. However, when it somehow splashes over and becomes a demonization of the Poles, then it is unjust. This is very confused, both intellectually and morally. Let’s start with the intellectual confusion here…

    First of all, if (as I see it, anyway…) the central issue here is really freedom of speech, then on that level it doesn’t matter so much which version of history is truthful. I can go onto Amazon and buy numerous books that say Abraham Lincoln was a great man. I can also buy other books (less numerous, but there are some) that say that he was a complete scoundrel. Moreover, the respective books will offer very different interpretations of that period of history, i.e. the American Civil war.

    One can know absolutely nothing about the history of that time period, yet still realize, on purely logical grounds, that both sides cannot be right. Moreover, a genuine advocate of free speech will hold that both sides of the debate have the right to put forward their viewpoint.

    This could be expressed more generally: when you have a debate, one side of the debate is affirming X, the other side is saying “not X”. One side must be wrong surely, but that’s not the point. The point is that you cannot prevail in an intellectual debate by illegalizing the other side’s viewpoint! That should be self-evidently unacceptable!

    That is the central issue intellectually. (At least for me…) Now, the other massive hairy problem in all of this is the following:

    Zionist Jews have ZERO 道德 standing to condemn the Polish law in question.

    Once you accept the idea that one version of history is the correct one and anybody who disputes it is committing a crime, then you’ve opened Pandora’s box and you cannot then complain what comes out of it. The same people lobbying for Holocaust denial laws throughout the West cannot then turn around and complain about this Polish law! This should be a laughing stock!

    So, to me, perhaps the most central thing about this is the utter hypocrisy of the Zionist Jews condemning this law on free speech grounds! I find the whole thing appalling, particularly as somebody of Jewish descent myself. I feel that Jewish ethnics who feel this way (and I know I cannot possibly be the only one) should more openly condemn this kind of blatant attempt to burn the candle on both ends.

    In general, as I have become more educated about certain matters, with a much more nuanced understanding of 真实 history, I have become painfully aware of just how unfair this endless demonizing of the German people with this comic book version of history is. And again, in general, I think that honest, just Jews (there are some…) should more openly condemn this.

    Now, I agree with this Polish nationalist author that the demonization of Poles over period of history is something completely unjust, but his idea that the endless demonization of Germans is fair — this is a very blinkered understanding of the issues. It is utterly confused — as I said, both intellectually and morally. The author really needed to think through all these issues much more rigorously before embarking on such a long-winded essay.

    • 同意: jacques sheete, L.K
    • 回复: @iffen
    , @iffen
  26. Tyrion 2 说:

    Great article. Until the last section. Then again, it is so well-balanced and erudite until that last little bit that I’ll be reading and re-reading it again as you’ve earned that by the rest of your piece.

    I’m a free speech guy but this is nothing but an almost imperceptible blemish on Poland’s remarkably moderate and sensible government. It also barely restricts speech at all. It’s almost akin to having UK-style libel laws.

    Anyway, this pointless tantrum will go away and I look forward to more countries moving back into the Polish, Hungarian, Slovakian, Czech, Italian, Brexit, Trumpian, Israeli, Asian, Latin American and African camp of not buying into open borders extremism.

    Come on Pelosi, Corbyn, Sweden and Germany, your ideas represent a tiny fraction of the world population’s views. You’ve gone rogue. Everyone thinks you’re weird, just not in your tiny bubbles that barely cover 0.1% of the world’s surface. If it weren’t for the wealth and institutional excellence built up by your much more moderate ancestors, you’d be viewed as important as the Branch Davidians or the Shakers or some other group of bizarre self-defeating weirdos. And if you don’t reverse course and tack back very strongly, that is exactly how you and yours will end up. A strange museum anecdote to remind people of what happens to those who purposefully unlearn tbe basic facts of humanity.

  27. Miro23 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Buchanan asserts that World War II was a mistake as well. Hitler was a bad guy, but desired an empire to the East, and the evil Soviet Union was his target.

    So that was OK then, nothing to worry about – the Germans only wanted an Eastern Empire stretching to the Urals and the Black Sea. And the Japanese only wanted an Asian Empire (including China) – nothing to worry about there either.

  28. Miro23 说:

    备忘录给了波兰政府三点最后通牒:要么“解决”这个问题——不用说让美国和国际犹太人满意——否则波兰领导人将被禁止参加白宫会议,美国国会将阻止联合军事资金波兰的项目,包括在北约框架内驻扎美国军队,如果美国公民根据新法律受到指控,将会产生进一步的“戏剧性”后果。

    A good opportunity for Poland to finish with the USA. Poland doesn’t have any real “security guarantee” from the US, and any lingering affection for Ronald Reagan among the Poles, is wholly misplaced. The current US administration is just putting Poland in the front line of a fabricated US/Russia conflict – so it’s a good opportunity to remove NATO troops from the country along with their missiles and missile bases.

    与世界各地的许多其他人一样,波兰人与美国公众失去了联系,并意识到他们正在与制造大规模杀伤性武器并制造 9/11 事件的精神病人群打交道。

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  29. I just finished Pat Buchanan’s new book: “Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War”. Good read. All our official history is government propaganda.

    The book is definitely worth a read and a good antidote to the Commie and All-lied war propaganda fed to us as history.

    He does pussyfoot around the issue of Jews but that’s understandable considering the times and the likely inability to get it published otherwise.

    For those who are curious but not into reading books, Mr B has several good articles at his website that do a good job of introducing people to the truth.

    This, as well, is an excellent intro to a most critical topic for discussion and was written by a Jewish person who was a true scholar.

    “……关于希特勒和日本人的整个神话,甚至在那时甚至现在如此普遍,从头到尾都是谬论。 这场噩梦中的每一块木板要么完全不真实,要么不完全是真实。
    如果人们应该学习有关希特勒德国的这种知识欺诈,那么他们将开始提出问题,并寻找问题……”

    Murray Rothbard,我们时代的修正主义
    罗斯巴德先生是一位美国犹太人,也是最高才能的历史学家。
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    What these guys say should be easier to swallow nowadays since we have so many blatant examples of official war mongers, private, commercial and governmental today.

  30. Lex 说:
    @German_reader

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/is-new-polish-law-an-attempt-to-whitewash-its-citizens-roles-in-the-holocaust/

    1956 年,一群作为西德情报人员工作的前纳粹分子创造了一个术语,可以说是前希特勒政权产生的最具病毒性和持续时间最长的宣传:“波兰死亡集中营”。

    114 机构由德国前盖世太保、党卫军和 SD 成员组成,由前纳粹秘密野战警察 (GFP) 中士阿尔弗雷德·本辛格 (Alfred Benzinger) 领导,他被认为是这句话的出身者。

    本辛格的进球? 改变公共话语,将大屠杀的责任从德国人和德国转移到波兰,纳粹政权的大部分大规模灭绝营都位于波兰。 到本辛格进行宣传攻击时,波兰正处于国内动荡的阵痛之中,以至于措辞几乎不是优先事项。

    • 同意: polskijoe
  31. Lex 说:

    Jews were furious that Poland regained independence since they were counting on creating German protectorate of Judeopolonia. Here is how Zionists reacted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_S._Gibson#The_Jewish_Question

    [更多]

    Felix Frankfurter (later Associate Justice at the Supreme Court) wrote to Woodrow Wilson (May 22, 1919) that “the Polish Government must be bullied and browbeaten into quitting its policy of extermination and persecution.”

    On 14 June 1919, Gibson was called by Colonel House to a meeting with the fabled justice and his protégé, Felix Frankfurter. Gibson not only was at a disadvantage because of Brandeis’ exalted status but also because his appointment as ambassador to Poland had yet to be confirmed by the United States Senate. In Gibson’s words, the two Zionists opened what the young diplomat later called the ‘prosecution’ by saying that ‘I had done more mischief to the Jewish race than anyone who had lived in the last century. They said…that my reports on the Jewish question had gone around the world and had undone their work…. They finally said that I had stated that the stories of excesses against the Jews were exaggerated, to which I replied that they certainly were and I should think any Jew would be glad to know it.”

    Neff adds that “Frankfurter claimed that Gibson ‘had no right to make reports to the department in regard to Jewish matters and should have ‘refused’ on the ground that I could not possibly learn enough about them to make even general observations.’ Frankfurter then hinted that if Gibson continued his reports the Zionists would block his confirmation as ambassador to Poland by the Senate.”

    A letter Gibson wrote to his mother on 27 June 1919, three days after his meeting with Brandeis and Frankfurter, casts an interesting light on own his state of mind at the time: “I went down to the Relief Administration where I had two solid hours with Lewis Strauss [Herbert Hoover’s private secretary] on the Jewish question. I find that most of the people are overwrought and have reached that stage where they unconsciously want to believe every exaggerated yarn about excesses against the Jews. They take it as prejudice if you question any story no matter whether they know where it comes from or not, so long as it makes out a case against the Poles and shows that the Jews are suffering. They are in a bad situation but you can’t help the patient by treating him for an ailment he does not suffer from. I think that at the end of two hours I had convinced Lewis that I was not a Jew baiter and that I really want to help even if not in his simple way which consists chiefly in blackguarding the Polish Government for everything to be found in any report, no matter what its source, its foundation or its inspiration. I can see that there will be a tremendous amount of patient talking to be done among the American Jews before they will be willing to abandon the idea of curing all the ills of their people by one blast at the Polish Government. They have got to make up their minds to work untiringly with the Government and not against it, and if they do I am convinced they can accomplish great things.”

    As for the somewhat surprising allegation that Gibson’s report had “undone their work for months” it clearly pointed to the fact that the Zionists, who had indeed been working hard to impose a Minorities Treaty on Poland, needed as many accounts of exactions against the Jews as could e found to further their cause. Although the Minorities Treaty was indeed signed a few days after the confrontation, Gibson’s report ran counter to their interests.

  32. mp 说:

    每个人都知道大屠杀(TM)有多么可怕,直到你问到底发生了什么?然后,一旦暴露在真相之下,这些说法就会一一消失。这就是为什么在欧洲大部分地区调查这些指控是违法的。非犹太人附和这种疯狂的事实是……嗯,这就是疯狂。

    波兰事件只是两种宗教之间的持续斗争:天主教和犹太唯物主义,后者的上帝是金钱(感谢卡尔指出这一点)和全神论,这是不断给予的礼物。 H字应该使他们免受批评,因为他们在外邦人手中“遭受了”太多的痛苦。

  33. When dealing with such subjects, it may be counter productive to reference Wikipedia.

    原因之一是:

    CAMERA [the pro-Israel group (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America)] called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project 秘密. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    The slime is everywhere, and given their subversion and clandestine activities, can there be little wonder that the trolls are so paranoid?

  34. @Lex

    改变公共话语并将大屠杀的责任从德国人和德国转移到波兰,

    “The” holocaust itself seems to me to be an attempt to change public discourse and shift the blame for the world wars from the “one world” financiers of the wars onto their main victim, Germany and the Germans.

    …, is there any man here or any woman, let me say is there any child here, who does not know that the 现代世界的战争种子是工商业竞争……而一些国家之所以与德国开战,是因为他们认为德国会从他们那里获得商业优势。 嫉妒的种子,根深蒂固的仇恨的种子炽热,成功的工商对抗……

    这场战争从一开始就是一场商业和工业战争。 这不是一场政治战争。
    -伍德罗·威尔逊(Woodrow Wilson),5年1919月XNUMX日在密苏里州圣路易斯体育馆的演讲
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=117365

    [Lloyd George] 说:“事实是我们已经找到了自己的方式。 我们已经得到了我们打算得到的大部分东西。 如果你在十二个月前告诉英国人民他们会得到他们所拥有的,他们会嘲笑你。 德国海军已移交; 德国的商业航运已经移交,德国的殖民地已经放弃。 我们的主要贸易竞争对手之一受到了最严重的打击,我们的盟友即将成为她最大的对手 债权人.这是不小的成就。 此外,我们还摧毁了对我们印第安人财产的威胁。”

    -大卫·劳埃德·乔治,引用自里德尔勋爵的《和平会议及之后的亲密日记》,1918-1923 年,第 42 页(日记 30 年 1919 月 XNUMX 日)。

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.189747/2015.189747.Lord-Riddells-Intimate-Diary-Of-The-Peace-Conference-And-After_djvu.txt

    对于那些可能想要抱怨评论偏离主题的人来说,二战只不过是一战的延伸,丘吉尔本人在罕见的清醒和真实的时刻承认了这一点。

  35. Vojkan 说:

    I must admit that as a Serb I can’t help but relish in some “schadenfreude” when I see how butthurt by the Zionists the Poles feel now, the extraordinary talent the Zionists seem to have in producing anti-semites where there were none before notwithstanding.

  36. Z-man 说:

    Holy shit can this hymie write a load or what! I stopped reading after I picked up this gem.

    In Poland, the tempers boil, but the supposedly “far-right” government is strangely timid in this matter.

    They know to beware the power of the 阴谋.

    That’s it, Poland must be put on notice; sanctions and possible air strikes by the ZOG ‘ed puppet regime of the USA.

  37. @jilles dykstra

    Sudetenland! The best and highest quality hobs in the world grow there.
    Germans Czechs are beer drinkers. Any underestimation of importance of Sudetenland is a travesty.

  38. German_reader 说:
    @Lex

    改变公共话语,将大屠杀的责任从德国人和德国转移到波兰

    If that ever happened, those ex-Nazis weren’t very successful. Certainly not in Germany.
    The more likely explanation is quite simply that a lot of Jews have a negative perception of Poland, for whatever reason. This has been known for a long time (e.g. even back in the 1970s Claude Lanzmann’s 浩劫 因其描绘了据称是反犹太主义的波兰农民而受到批评),这几乎不是新闻。 将其归咎于某些德国阴谋只是通常的偏执胡说八道,不幸的是,波兰右翼似乎很普遍。

  39. Desert Fox 说:

    大屠杀涉及的不仅仅是犹太人,还有许多其他种族和宗教在集中营中被处死,所有这些与俄罗斯共产主义犹太人对俄罗斯人民的所作所为相比都是微不足道的,估计有 50 至 60从 1917 年到 1953 年,有数百万人被杀害。

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  40. Ivan 说:
    @utu

    The Holocaust is a tool that Jews use to keep the goyim in line. The Germans are either sufficiently cowed or cannot be made to cough up some more cash with sufficient obsequiousness. So now it is the turn of the Poles. Soon all that fine rhetoric about the Soviets being the liberators of Auschwitz will be forgotten. It is ever thus with these types of Jews. Never forgive or forget anything or anyone. Record in the “holy books” for all time. But never ever hold a mirror to oneself and see if one is blameworthy. The silver lining here is that more and more people just don’t give a damn for their bloody hypocrisy.

  41. Beckow 说:
    @snag

    1938 年慕尼黑到捷克斯洛伐克之后,波兰所做的与纳粹德国所做的相同。 一个合法属于邻国的多民族领土被波兰占领。

    The same is true about the Soviet Union’s annexation of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus in 1939. They occupied areas that were inhabited mostly by Ukrainians and Belorussians. And also after Germany attacked Poland. If Poland did it, why shouldn’t others do it to Poland?

    Different nations, different scale, but exactly the same principle – ‘protect people of your nationality’ living in neighbouring countries.

    The fact that Poland did the same thing to Czechoslovakia undermines Polish claims to some martyr purity. Would you stop with the preachy pontificating about Poland always being ‘只是一个受害者‘? (And Wiki as a source? Right, I am sure the Polish version is really ‘nuanced’.)

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @polskijoe
    , @snag
  42. 在纳粹手中受害最深的两个国家是波兰和白俄罗斯(巴拉鲁斯)。

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  43. Wally 说:
    @utu

    说过:
    “Finally you should recapture control over institutions like Jewish Museum in Warsaw and Auschwitz Museum and in the long run hold a plan of closing Auschwitz down and ploughing it over.”

    Indeed, utu would like that.
    “Ploughing it over” would be one way of hiding the fakery & absurd claims made of structures which could not have functioned as alleged. Not to mention the ‘reconstruction’ work done AFTER the war.
    Now, science, observation, and logic simply demolish the preposterous claims about Auschwitz.
    A perfect example of science & technology at work are the war time aerial photos taken of Auschwitz . Below, see the aerial photos of Auschwitz and how they have been tampered with to fit the Holocaust narrative.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/5390/?lang=en
    大事记:约翰·鲍尔 (John Ball) 拍摄的奥斯威辛集中营航空照片证据检查
    By John Clive Ball.

    请参阅下面的更多内容,例如:
    画在“犹太人被送进毒气室”, 在屋顶上. 和:
    “对罗伯特·扬·范·佩尔特的主张的批评”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
    和:
    “改变的航拍照片和末日的阴影”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3249
    和:
    航空照片证据
    https://archive.org/details/AirPhotoEvidenceAuschwitz

    http://www.codoh.com

  44. MLK 说:

    Reading this I felt that now familiar warm feeling that began the day POTUS Trump took the oath. Slowly but (hopefully) surely Americans are getting back to our own business, and leaving this sort of hoo-ha to foreigners and interested resident ethnics.

  45. As always, the article is just a pretext to launch yet another hysterical American attack on the EU. I would guess that the shadowy author, who seems to exist only on an anti-Muslim hate site called Gates of Vienna, is seeking to use this issue to drive a wedge between Poland and the EU which, even if anybody in Poland actually reads the article, is unlikely to succeed inasmuch as Poland’s only alternative to the EU is Putin’s tanks.
    The crazy thing about the “crisis”, though, is that there isn’t a crisis! As the author points out, there is no “Polish bill to outlaw talk of Poles’ complicity in the Nazis’ crimes”. According to the BBC’s translation, the bill provides that “whoever accuses, publicly and against the facts, the Polish nation, or the Polish state, of being responsible or complicit in the Nazi crimes committed by the Third German Reich … shall be subject to a fine or a penalty of imprisonment of up to three years”. The Polish nation and the Polish State, not individual Poles or private Polish groups, and even then, only if it’s “against the facts”. During the period in question, the entire territory of the Polish Republic was under German or Soviet occupation, so it’s hard to see how the Polish State could have any responsibility for the death camps on its territory. There wasn’t even a local “quisling” Polish government. As for the Polish nation, that is to say, the Polish people in its entirety, as an ethnic group, it’s hard to see, without even a quisling government claiming to act on their behalf and which, it might be alleged, most of them supported, how they could be held responsible for anything the Germans did while in their country. The individual responsibility of any individual Pole for conduct under the occupation is untouched and unchallenged. At first glance, therefore, the bill appears to be absurd and unnecessary.
    My best guess is that’s what’s behind it is the question of property rights: foreign, mainly American or Israeli, Jews claiming entitlement to property on the basis that an ancestor of theirs was improperly deprived of it during the German occupation. In other words, not just a doctrine of “collective guilt” but a sort of “hereditary collective guilt”. The communist regime seized all property and after the fall of the dictatorship, houses, apartments, business premises etc. were sold off, often to the people who actually occupied them. What people fear is that someone will now come along and claim the property that they thought they had bought and paid for, forcing the Polish government to buy them off or see its own citizens evicted from the property. To what extent that has, or is actually happening, I don’t know.

    • 回复: @j2
    , @Lex
  46. annamaria 说:
    @Dan Herman

    同意。
    What Israel has done is to open a well-documented criticism of Jewish”eternal victimhood.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/israel-protects-concentration-camp-boss-1194791.html
    “Salomon Morel is wanted by the prosecutor’s office in the southern Polish city of Katowice. He is charged with crimes against humanity while he was commander of the Swietochlowice camp… A reply sent to the Polish Justice Ministry from Israeli authorities said that Israel would not extradite Mr Morel. Officials said the crimes with which he is charged are not perceived in Israel as genocide, and so are subject to the 诉讼时效… Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was r对许多囚犯的杀害负有责任. “I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then. He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would beat them and throw the bodies out of the window,” Mrs Boriczek, now 68 and living in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent. “I was taken there when I was 14, with my mother. I still don’t know why we were there and I still want to know. They told us when we arrived, `You are here, and you are here to die, although nobody will shoot you, because ammunition is too expensive’. …
    华沙的波兰军事检察官最近对海伦娜·布鲁斯(Helena Brus)发出了逮捕令,海伦娜·布鲁斯原名沃林斯卡,现已嫁给牛津大学的一位教授。 1950 世纪 XNUMX 年代,沃林斯卡女士在华沙担任军事检察官,负责签发逮捕令。 许多在她的命令下被拘留的人后来被绞死。 莫雷尔先生和布鲁斯夫人都是犹太人。
    — Add to these the names of Naftali Frankel, the principal organizer of GULAG (a network of concentration camps in Russia) where millions of Russian citizens perished under horriorrific circumstances, and Lazar Kaganovitch, the principal organizer of Holodomor in Ukraine.
    The article states a logical and highly inconvenient question for the Lobby and the Friends of Israel: “How many Israeli politicians and media mavens commented on the giant portraits of Nazi allies and Jews’ (and Poles’) mass murderers Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych and Yevhen Konovalets, borne by adoring crowds of the “Maidan revolution” in Lvov and Kiev, said “maidan” enjoying the enthusiastic support of at least two Jewish-Ukrainian oligarchs with Israeli citizenship?”
    The Kagans’ clan anyone? How about the ongoing proliferation of neo-Nazism in Ukraine and Canada, thanks to the strong collaborative efforts among ziocons and banderites?
    What about the Jewish war criminals (murderers) like Morel and “military prosecutors” like Wolinska?

  47. Razparuk 说:
    @German_reader

    Sorry but polish teritory was 383 000km2 before II WW, after is 312 000 km2-we didn’t asked for “change teritory” . We lost this cause decision of USA,USSR,UK so Germans have blame them or Hitler…ur choice

    • 回复: @byrresheim
  48. Art 说:
    @Dan Herman

    波兰所做的是打开潘多拉魔盒,内塔尼亚胡或任何犹太人都无法关闭它。历史现在可供辩论……。

    Exactly — the longer the debate goes on – the better. The Jews cannot win the six million lie.

    思考和平——艺术

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  49. RobinG 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    You seem knowledgeable of this subject. At least, you’ve linked numerous specific references. I’ve already been “disagreed” with for saying this, but I was given first hand account of dissolution of Warsaw Jewish ghetto…. that Lithuanians were enlisted (by Germans) to carry out final dispersal, and subsequently the Lithuanians were put on a ship that was [purposely] sunk. Have you ever heard this story?

    • 回复: @Beckow
    , @jilles dykstra
  50. Why do these losers insist on outlawing historical research and controversy?

  51. Wally 说:
    @German_reader

    说过:
    “But there is no organized German campaign to shift responsibility for the Holocaust onto Poland. This exists only in the imagination of Polish right-wingers.”

    Seriously? Germans & other Europeans are arrested if they try anything that alters the impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’ scam.

    Below is where free speech on the impossible ‘holocaust’ storyline is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes & Free Speech.
    很明显,故事情节经不起科学,逻辑和理性的审查。
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1858

    http://www.codoh.com

  52. @snag

    谢谢您,先生

    I have heretofore been impressed with jyles’ reading lists and non-abusive comments, but I say that I’ve now become very disappointed in the quality of his views and not only because he presents as credible evidence, the tabloid style sensationalist fake “history’ by the high society Glamour Girl, Bella Fromm , but also because he states that her story is credible because similar things were written by others!

    I had never heard of her, but it took all of 1/2 hour to see that she was nothing more than another rich attention seeking gadabout and gossip; she has no credibility in my mind, and jyles did himself a disservice by presenting her and then trying to defend his error.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  53. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Somebody who cites Jan Gross or Anne Applebaum it’s someone with an agenda to whitewash Jewish atrocities. Somebody who writes the book like ‘Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine’ and forgets to mention who’s idea was it who was the engineer and executioner of that atrocity is nothing but hasbara goon and zio-crap peddler.

    Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kaganovich, Yagoda (Jews) responsible for Holodomor a genocide of 8 – 10 million starved to death Ukrainian farmland owners during one winter 1932/33*, a whole segment of society because for who they were which according to their formula constitutes holocaust not to mention ethnic cleansing of Crimean Tatars, again, by Kaganowich and his hand picked goons murdering half of the population on the spot with the remaining shipped to Gulags and other God forsaken places in Siberia designated to die and re-populating Crimea with Jewish settlers.

    *Compare it with the efficiency and costs German concentration camps.

    Somebody who writes ‘Gulag: A History’ and forgets to mention who’s idea was it who was the engineer and executioner is a liar with an agenda.

    Gulags – A forced labor camp system in reality a death camp system was more horrible than Auschwitz run by Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel (founders) their buddies Lev Inzhir a commissar of the Gulag transit and administration, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, were the commissars of camps and slave labor that supervised the construction of the Belomorsk Canal and other projects responsible for at least 30 million worked/starved to death “enemies” of the revolution. The gulag system pre-dates over 2 decades the death camps build by nazis.

    Somebody who writes that you can accommodate and incinerate 1600 people in small barn is insulting our intelligence not to mention that he’s making up the participation of Poles in that event. Grosse’s version of that account is a product of sick bastard who’s parents were saved by some Polish sucker who risked his, his family and often his neighbors life allowing them to produce human maggot like him. Gross is a sociologist not historian as he claims.

    By the way, Auschwitz was chosen because of it’s logistic location (middle of concentration of jewish population) and proximity of major railway junction.

    • 同意: Miro23
  54. @annamaria

    With all due respect please check your basic calculus.
    She was 14 taken to camp and she is now 68? Your numbers simply do not add up!!!!

    • 回复: @annamaria
  55. @annamaria

    安娜玛丽亚:

    请一些更正:

    这不是利沃夫。它就是利沃夫(Lwow),波兰暂时消失的地区。

    黑劳长班德拉 (Bandera) 应该用他的黑劳名字“1 号领事”来正确称呼。

    这是希特勒大师和后来的中央情报局给他起的名字。

  56. utu 说:

    So why didn’t the British declare war on Slovakia too?

    For the same reason they did not declare war on USSR. A better question is why Polish government issued an order of not resisting or engaging Soviet troops on Sept. 17? And why did they all evacuate to Rumania and Hungary so soon?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  57. @Lex

    You didn’t read your own rebuttal link! Yes, the Wiki intro repeats the myth that Britain only promised to defend Poland should Germany invade, but later on it clarifies:

    On 25 August, two days after the Nazi-Soviet Pact, the Agreement of Mutual Assistance between the United Kingdom and Poland was signed. The agreement contained promises of mutual military assistance between the nations in the event either was attacked by some “European country”.

    and has the text of the agreement:

    ” … in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty’s Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect.

    我可以补充一点,法国政府已授权我明确表示,他们在这件事上的立场与国王陛下政府的立场相同。”

    _________________

    I did learn more from this. Slovakia joined in the invasion of Poland in 1939 and sent 50,000 troops across the border.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_invasion_of_Poland_(1939)

    So why didn’t the British declare war on Slovakia too?

  58. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Art

    嘿,艺术,

    I’ve found you, you 70 year old crazy lunatic!

    Arthur Jones formerly of the American Nazi Party. You’re a national embarrassment and a slur on the Republican party.

    Why not boost them by dropping out and declaring that they are the opposite of Nazis and so you had to leave?

    诚挚的问候,

    我。

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @iffen
    , @Art
  59. AndrewR 说:

    What’s next? A law banning claims that Poles ethnically cleansed Germans after the war? Or a law banning any criticism of said ethnic cleansing?

    This law proves that the anti-Pole sentiments of Friedrich der Grosse, Hitler, and other prominent Deutsche were eminently justified.

    • 回复: @Dube
  60. szopen 说:
    @Beckow

    right, I am sure the Polish version is really ‘nuanced’.

    是的。

    (1) Czechoslovakia reached to Poland first, proposing Zaolzie in exchange for alliance. Poland instead issued ultimatum, which Czechoslovakia accepted.

    (2) Zaolzie was first divided in local agreement based on ethnic lines in 1919. Czechs violated the local agreement, attacking totally unprepared local Polish units. Local Poles were so sure the agreement was final that they were sending best unit to the Lviv!

    (3) Czechs then forced Polish government to resign from demands on plebiscite in 1921, when Soviet army was approaching Warsaw. (2)+(3) poisoned Polish-Czechoslovakian relationships, and Czechs arrogant continous innuendos that Poland is just backward primitive state which will soon collapse had not helped either.

    I still think that we were wrong in 1938, and because of that action we lost moral rights to Zaolzie – but I’d say Czechs’ behaviour in 1919 was really, really awful and shortsighted.

    • 回复: @Beckow
  61. szopen 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    We all know the evil Nazi’s invaded Czechoslovakia, but no one mentions that Poland grabbed a chunk first.

    Sure, but earlier in 1918 local Czechs and local Poles made a local agreement about how to divide the territory, and then Czechs attacked Poles, using very dirty tricks (like for example pretending they are “entente officers”).

  62. @Tyrion 2

    You’re a national embarrassment and a slur on the Republican party.

    以上皆是 major parties are slurs on themselves and national embarrassments and worse, so what’s your point?

    I suppose now that we’ve gone full commie (since FDR), Nazism is verboten?

    You really think that FDR’s, Churchill’s and Stalin’s brands of fascism were substantially different from Wall Street supported Bolshevism?

    Our own government, especially the Izzy firsters, are not only an embarrassment, but a 威胁 to American society.

    The whole system stinks and has for over a century, and you think Art is a problem?

    Think peace!

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  63. szopen 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    波兰独裁者傲慢,侮辱希特勒,并拒绝讨论通往东普鲁士的但泽铁路走廊,其他国家认为这是合理的要求。

    That’s not a real summary.

    (1) 多年来,希特勒一直向波兰保证但泽不是问题

    (2) Then he demanded not just “Danzig rail corridor”. His demands varied, but in general there were those:

    (a) 在波兰西部举行公民投票,其中波兰军队、警察将撤出,所有 1919 年后定居在那里的波兰人都将被禁止投票,而每个 1919 年之前出生在那里的德国人都可以投票(忽略其中许多人是定居者或军人和警察的子女)
    (b) 但泽会去德国
    (c) 波兰将加入轴心国。

    He would then guarantee Poland’s borders.

    Now, given that he already has given several promises, and he always broke them, nobody in Poland believed in his single word. He said “this is my last demand” after Sudetenland,then after incorporating rest of Czechoslovakia. I’d say that it’s reasonable to expect that if Poland would agree to his “reasonable” demands, then he would continue to make new demands.

    更不用说在波兰西部对他的条件进行公民投票的要求显然是不可能实现的,只能给予已经在战争中失败的国家。

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @jilles dykstra
    , @Thirdeye
  64. iffen 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    before embarking on such a long-winded essay

    But I thought word count was your measure of validity and value.

    • 巨魔: Jonathan Revusky
  65. @snag

    ” Auschwitz was chosen because of it’s logistic location ”

    You deny the production of synthetic rubber, high octane aviation fuel, and oil there from abundant coal and water ?
    What do you think the allies began bombing from the end of 1944 on, from Italy ?
    Why do you think in early 1945 hundreds of Me jet fighters could not fly ?
    Even Ben Gurion understood that the Auschwitz camps were camps for workers, as also Elie Wiesel describes in
    埃利·维塞尔(Elie Wiesel),《 La Nuit》,1958年,2007年
    Wiesel worked in a large storage facility for electric parts.

    • 回复: @snag
  66. Beckow 说:
    @RobinG

    Warsaw Jewish ghetto…. that Lithuanians were enlisted (by Germans) to carry out final dispersal, and subsequently the Lithuanians were put on a ship that was [purposely] sunk

    I would like to know more about it. But two terms bother me: ‘final dispersal“和”purposely sunk‘. Those can be interpreted differently. Self-serving story telling takes a true event, weaves a story out of it, and adds a few subjective terms that suggest a political meaning. When you actually think about it is always more complex. How would you sink a ship with only the Lithuanians? What does ‘final’ mean?

    WWII in eastern Europe was a very messy affair. There were a lot of inconsistencies. There were millions of local ‘Volk Deutsch’ (Germans ethnics who had lived there for centuries). There were also a lot of people whose nationality was fluid. A son of the pre-war head of Czech nationalists joined SS and was killed for that after the war by nationalists returning from London. Of course, later he was added to the list of ‘victims of communism’, it made the numbers look better. My grandpa’s family was assigned a German soldier to live in his house, a middle-aged baker from Berlin who was telling the locals how to survive, when was the front coming. The same German unit then shot three local ‘educated’ people on their way out of village. Mindless revenge? Quota? Nihilism?

    Given all that happened, any side in this belated ideological battle can draw on lots of ‘stories’. In the West there has been a slow, subtle effort to shift the blame away from the Germans because Germany is a key ally for Nato. And no matter how much people here will deny it, there is a strong ethnic kinship with Germans in UK and US. (Prince Harry marches in a Nazi uniform for a reason even if it is a joke). Among many Jews there is identification with German culture and an ambivalent attitude that often prefers to go after the Poles. It is also geo-politically better. We see in the past what we want to see.

    • 回复: @German_reader
    , @NoseytheDuke
  67. polskijoe 说:

    谢谢你的文章。 欧洲人(尤其是美国人)需要被告知,

    犹太人也不是无辜的。 他们还参加了纳粹主义和共产主义。

    我不会责怪所有犹太人,但有组织的犹太人是不理性的、烦人的,而且坦率地说是疯狂的。

    那么为什么会有关于这条法律的争论呢? 犹太人想将种族灭绝或大屠杀的垄断权留给自己吗? 更名会给他们带来什么困扰?

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  68. @RobinG

    That Lithuaians, and Ukrainians, were used in the deportations of jews is well known.
    The ship story, never heard of.
    Ukrainians also were no friends of jews, this goes back to the early twenties when Bolsjewists, many of them jews, chased Ukrainian farmers from their farmers.
    沃林 (Vsevolod Mikhailovitsch Eichenbaum),“未知的革命(喀琅施塔得 1921 乌克兰 1918-21)”,纽约 1955

  69. Beckow 说:
    @szopen

    You are intentionally mixing up 1919-20 with what happened in 1938. Focus. It was a land-grab pure and simple, and it predated a similar land-grab by Soviets a year later to ‘reunite Ukrainians and Belorussians’. The arguments used by Poland and Soviets were identical.

    Czechs arrogant continous innuendos that Poland is just backward primitive state which will soon collapse

    That is just random. How long would you have to dig in millions of articles, speeches and throw-away lines to show that? You can write a similar sentence about almost any nation ‘saying’ that about its neighbours at that time. Poland says it today daily about Russia. Or do they? See how slippery these generalisations can be?

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @Razparuk
  70. polskijoe 说:
    @Beckow

    不破坏任何东西。

    波兰人杀死了多少捷克斯洛伐克人? 多少城市被夷为平地?

    vs

    有多少波兰人被纳粹同性恋杀害? 多少城市被夷为平地。

    *波兰绝对不是无辜的,但将这些类型的事情等同起来是无稽之谈*

    人们还喜欢说波兰“与纳粹合作”是因为一些互不侵犯条约。

    重要的是联盟和大屠杀。

    (在二战和战前时期,多方之间有许多相互交叉的互不侵犯条约)。

  71. Wally 说:
    @snag

    说过:
    ” The gulag system pre-dates over 2 decades the death camps build by nazis.”

    What “death camps”? Please provide proof that the Germans built “death camps” to murder people in.

    Please provide proof that millions were allegedly murdered in them.

    奥斯威辛集中营的健康犹​​太人:
    http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/PICS31/66935a.jpg

    ——如果像所谓的那样“计划杀死德国人可以得到的每一个犹太人”,那么为什么会有无数的所谓“幸存者美元”?

    –如果所谓的“大屠杀”是事实,那么为什么欧洲有法律禁止对其进行审查? 什么样的“真相”需要监禁人们以防止言论自由?

    – 如果犹太人如此确信数百万犹太人被谋杀,那么他们为什么要问这样愚蠢的问题,比如“然后他们发生了什么?
    After all, Jews say ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ went to huge mass graves, Jews claim to know the exact locations of these alleged enormous mass graves, yet Jews can show us nothing of the kind.

    谢谢。
    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @snag
  72. Tyrion 2 说:
    @jacques sheete

    He is an albatross that will be hung over Trump’s neck. Were he a paid Democrat operative, he could not be more effective in undermining the Republican party.

    I know you’re thinking I’m just a (((Jew))) but I am also talking sense. What on earth does that lunatic hope to achieve?

    His politics are obviously anathema to me but mine would be a huge improvement for him on the current year. It’d be good if he had the self-awareness to realise just quite how toxic his views actually are and how much harm he is doing.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  73. polskijoe 说:
    @Thales the Milesian

    非常正确,二战期间的百分比明智:

    白俄罗斯失去了 22% 的公民
    波兰失去了 16% 的公民
    乌克兰失去了 16% 的公民
    俄罗斯失去了 13% 的公民
    波罗的海国家失去了 12% 的公民。

    波兰、白俄罗斯、俄罗斯 9/10 是由纳粹同性恋引起的。
    乌克兰和波罗的海的情况更为复杂。 但对于乌克兰,我猜是纳粹造成的 7/10
    和波罗的海,5/10? (对乌克兰和波罗的海国家有更多了解的人可以纠正我)。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  74. Tyrion 2 说:
    @polskijoe

    大多数有组织的犹太人是以色列,在我的所有记忆中,以色列一直是欧洲权利的明确朋友。

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  75. iffen 说:
    @szopen

    I was hoping that you would come in with your excellent comments regarding Polish history and politics.

    • 回复: @szopen
  76. polskijoe 说:
    @Desert Fox

    大屠杀涉及的不仅仅是犹太人,还有许多其他种族和宗教在集中营中被处死,

    同意。 事实上,犹太人只是被杀的少数人。

    ,所有这些与俄罗斯共产主义犹太人对俄罗斯人民所做的事情相比都是微不足道的,估计从 50 年到 60 年有 1917 到 1953 万人被杀害。

    完全不同意。 这些数字已经过时且已被证伪。 大多数估计都是在已知文件发布之前进行的。 其中一些估计是几十年前做出的。

    被斯大林杀害的受害者包括俄罗斯人,但也包括大量非俄罗斯人。

  77. szopen 说:
    @Beckow

    Did you somehow missed the line when I have written, to quote myself: I still think that we were wrong in 1938?

    I have just provided the context.

    I do not say BTW about Czech innuendos justifying Polish taking of (majority Polish) Zaolzie, I have just written that Polish-Czechoslovakian relationships were pretty bad not just because of Zaolzie, but also because of attitude of Czech politicians.

    • 回复: @Beckow
  78. German_reader 说:
    @Beckow

    And no matter how much people here will deny it, there is a strong ethnic kinship with Germans in UK and US

    Britain must be one of the most obsessively anti-German countries in Europe, their entire public discourse is full of perpetual references to the world wars and Germany’s alleged quest to dominate Europe even today. And while there are lots of Americans with some German ancestry, this doesn’t really manifest itself in any German cultural power in the US or in positive attitudes towards Germany (at least I’ve never noticed anything of the kind…more like we’re always being reminded that we’re still on probation and can’t really be trusted).
    Nor do I buy that there is a concerted effort to blame Poles for the Holocaust due to geopolitical reasons. The truth is simply that lots of Jews dislike Poles for the traditional antisemitism in Polish society (which shouldn’t be confused with Nazi exterminationist antisemitism) and therefore have a warped view of WW2 realities in Poland.

    • 回复: @Beckow
    , @David In TN
  79. iffen 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    You shouldn’t try to dox people, Tyrion 2.

    And, there is something about your comments that give some anti-anti-Semites a second thoughts.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @Art
  80. polskijoe 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    取决于哪个右翼政治团体。

    说到精英:

    一些民粹主义者和国家保守党有犹太复国主义盟友。
    有些不

    从历史上看,天主教政党对犹太复国主义者并不友好。 可能在 1-3 年间发生了变化,因为美国/英国情报机构在像 Le Cercle 这样的强大组织中获得了更多权力。 这导致将新保守派引入原始的天主教秘密组织。

    当涉及到人时:

    大多数欧洲大陆右翼(民粹主义者、民族主义者等)不是犹太人或犹太复国主义的粉丝。

    与美国相比

    环翼精英与犹太人/犹太复国主义者密切相关。
    大多数共和党人支持以色列,比任何其他国家都多。

  81. szopen 说:

    One Polish publicist argued that the law was intended by the proposers to signal to its hardcore base “see, we will fight anti-polonism!”, while intended to be toothless.

    I have to say that while I am rightwing, maybe even right-wing nationalist, I think the law is badly written and should not be signed at all – not because of 55a, but because of art 55b (punishing foreign citizens in foreign countries is not the brightest idea to be put into the law). However, the hysterical reaction by both domestic comprador elites, leftists abroad and Israeli too means I do not think we should step back on this. Moreover, the law is superfluous because two already existing laws can be combined to more or less the same effect.

    There are many other laws restricting free speech in Poland which are quite stupid and should be abandoned. For example, a law which in theory could be used to accuse Polish citizen because he writes something like “our president is stupid” or even “President of some African country is stupid”. In the second case, the law was until now used I think _once_ since 1989, but even in this law exists mainly in theory, it still should be removed.

  82. szopen 说:
    @iffen

    To be honest I am not sure if any, no matter how reasonable, demand put by Hitler would be fulfilled by Poland. The historical context matters and in 1939 Polish government had no trust in Hitler’s words.

    Part of that could be because of cult of personality surrounding Pilsudski who 据称 warned that Germany will inevitably attack Poland and the first signal will be demands with regards to Danzig (whether Pilsudski really thought that war with Germany will happened at latest in 1940 is debatable; it could be that his epigones simply wanted to perpetuate the vision of Pilsudski as great visionary and political genius). Part of that was internal politics and internal strifes, with government (rightfull or wrong) being affraid that if it would fulfill German demands, it would be overthrown.

    The key fact is, however, that Hitler’s demands were not reasonable.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @iffen
  83. szopen 说:
    @Wally

    Hmmm so, according to you, why before the war Poland had 3 million Jewish citizens, and after war 100.000?

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @renfro
  84. polskijoe 说:
    @Miro23

    盎格鲁(在美国和英国)与他们的犹太货币大师和“知识分子”

    希望欧洲分裂。 确保没有任何团体占主导地位。

    1)他们想阻止俄德关系
    2)他们想阻止波俄关系。

    波兰人必须明白,美国会选择以色列和犹太人而不是波兰人。

    许多波兰将军都知道美国不会提供帮助。
    40% 的波兰人认为北约无助于抵御重大入侵。

    • 回复: @Miro23
  85. snag 说:
    @Beckow

    One more time, concentrate, read what’s provided to you and spare me this Soviet Union’s, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus dancing. You’re already admitted that it was a ‘multi-ethnic territory’ now read the history.

  86. Mulegino1 说:

    Back in the 1930’s, Europeans of Christian descent were fed up with the International Whiners’ Litigants’ and Usurers’ Club a.k.a. international Jewry; nowadays that sentiment is growing exponentially by orders of magnitude.

    The ideological crutch of Jewry’s guilt based dominance of the western moral narrative is being pulled out from under it by stubborn and fact based revisionism.

    The Shoah Business has always been a remarkably adaptive and protean narrative around which the evidence must fit in Procrustean fashion. First, it was “Shoah by ovens”, then “Shoah by gassings”, then “Shoah by bullets.” Pretty soon it will be “Shoah by anecdote”, i.e., somebody’s grandfather’s great aunt saw someone shot by an S.S. man, a baby torn in half by a Ukrainian auxiliary or kicked to death by an enraged Pole. The narrative will be kept alive even if life support, as long as international Jewry can use it to shake down Europe and the world. I would daresay that pretty soon they will place blame on the United States and demand reparations and the U.S. Congress will gladly oblige. The Jewish collective’s one common dream is that both China and Japan will ultimately take responsibility for this “greatest crime in all of history.” Then the encirclement of the globe in a vise of kosher guilt will be complete.

    It is indeed gratifying that the Poles are giving the Jewish gander his own sauce. As one proceeds from western and central Europe south and east, the level of Jew awareness goes up. The Poles and Russians know first hand what it is to carry this scorpion on their back.

  87. @polskijoe

    德国,包括二战后阵亡者,11万,约占25%;

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  88. snag 说:
    @Wally

    Oh please, my father’s fishing partner and close friend was there for four and a half years and survived. He told us that Russian POW’s were ones that were most mistreated and murdered by starvation and frozen to death during the winter time. He also said that there were no Jews in Auschwitz. Birkenau was for Jews, he was sent there few times with some delivery of food and tobacco to SS and didn’t see or hear about gas chambers. For Russian prisoners of war it was a death camp.

    • 回复: @Wally
  89. Razparuk 说:
    @Beckow

    Czechoslovakia didn’tresist in result Poland have to choose, let Hitler grab many Poles to exterminate or not..second thing was industry.. third was resentiments after 1919-21. Bad thing and moraly wrong…

  90. @szopen

    Danzig never was a non issue, read
    Günter Grass,“Beim Häuten der Zwiebel”,慕尼黑 2008
    格拉斯住在但泽。
    He also explains how Germans, some of his relatives did, living in Poland were discriminated by Poles.

    The corridor had nothing to do with Danzig.
    After Versailles E Prussia could not be reached overland from Germany.
    E Prussia had bad harbours.
    Therefore Hitler wanted an extraterritorial corridor from Germany to E Prussia, wide enough for a motorway, four lane, and a double railway.

    That was all he wanted.

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @iffen
    , @szopen
  91. @Tyrion 2

    I know you’re thinking I’m just a (((Jew))) but I am also talking sense. What on earth does that lunatic hope to achieve?

    His politics are obviously anathema to me but mine would be a huge improvement for him on the current year. It’d be good if he had the self-awareness to realise just quite how toxic his views actually are and how much harm he is doing.

    I wasn’t thinking that at all, but I’ve long felt it odd that “Jews,” who we all know are far above average in intelligence, knowledge, and special in their G-d’s eye, should support, with complete lack of self awareness, the abominable terrorist State of Israel.

    What explains your inability to comprehend how toxic your views and actions are and how much harm the Zionist project is continuing to do to Jews in general?

    I’m especially amazed that such “gifted” folks should continue down those self destructive paths even though they were warned about the results by Jews with real brains.

    …It’s hard to imagine now, but in 1944, six years after Kristallnacht, Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, felt comfortable equating the Zionist ideal of Jewish statehood with “the concept of a racial state — the Hitlerian concept.” For most of the last century, a principled opposition to Zionism was a mainstream stance within American Judaism.
    即使在以色列建国之后,反犹太复国主义也不是一个特别的异端立场。

    -Ben Ehrenreich, Zionism is the problem
    http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenreich15-2009mar15-story.html

    Jews who know their own history should be aware that such a state of affairs will inevitably lead to a new wave of Jew-hatred; the antisemitism of tomorrow will assert that Jews not only profiteered from the presence of foreign big powers in that region but had actually plotted it and hence are guilty of the consequences…

    -汉娜·阿伦特(Hannah Arendt),《犹太复国主义》重新考虑,犹太著作第345页
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/yapfnfa5

    This stuff is so obvious that a dumb goy like myself can appreciate it, so why can’t the bright ones, or don’t they care? Or what?

    It seems pretty obvious that the Zionist State of Israel is the worst anti-Semitic and anti-Jew entity that ever existed. They’ve made a mockery of all that Jews claim to stand for, and to add insult to injury, the schmucks are mostly non-Semite, but Eastern European rejects!

  92. Beckow 说:
    @szopen

    I didn’t miss it, since we agree on that, I didn’t mention it.

    Polish-Czechoslovakian relationships were pretty bad not just because of Zaolzie, but also because of attitude of Czech politicians

    The attitude had to be on both sides. I usually don’t defend Czech politicians, especially the ones from Prague, but they are generally a sensible group that avoids provocations. Maybe what you refer to is the general stereotype that Czechs and Poles have of each other (go to Poland to bark and back to Czech to eat). Even some Poles share that attitude. One reason the relationship is bad is the Czech self-perception as rational people and perception of Poles as more emotional, and often not in touch with reality when it comes to economics or history. Notice the sober Czech relationship with both Germany and Russia that plays it safe and compare to a more noisy – one could say self-defeating – attitudes that prevail in Poland. My view, is that given our strategic situation we should be closer. But I will not march on Moscow for you, that’s just stupid. You march east again, you are marching alone…

  93. iffen 说:
    @szopen

    RE: this article.

    Overall, it was a pretty good piece, don’t you think?

    The Israeli/Jewish reactions to some events are definitely entering bizzaro world.

    • 同意: szopen
  94. Max Denken 说:
    @polskijoe

    @波尔斯基乔
    与宗教狂热分子争论是没有用的,所以你无法说服@desert fox 或希特勒酷酷的疯子在这里拖钓。 你不能再像大饥荒一样教他们关于究竟是谁谋杀了 30-40 万俄罗斯人的事实。

    “犹太人”谋杀了数以百万计的乌克兰人,他们将继续宣称直到他们临终的那一天,即使在 2010 年,基辅的一个高等法院——这可能是欧洲最不讲哲学的城市——下令将大饥荒的责任归咎于一名格鲁吉亚人、两名俄罗斯人、两名犹太人、一名波兰人和一名乌克兰人。 http://memorialholodomor.org.ua/eng/holodomor/genocide/court-order.

    同样,如果你提到斯大林、列宁、贝利亚、叶若夫、布洛欣、德尔任斯基等人不是犹太人,他们会拿出同样疯狂的头脑写的东西,争辩说他们是。
    这毫无用处。 我只是希望他们停止在这里拖钓,去他们的 IHR, Faurisson, Duke & Co. - 一个对他们友好的环境,我不会像入侵一样不文明。

    • 同意: polskijoe
    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @polskijoe
  95. mark green 说:

    很棒的文章。 犹太政治剧院正变得可笑地失控。 Hasbarists 实际上相信他们自己的假新闻。

    Jewish narcissism, Jewish conceit, and Jewish ethnocentrism are without peer, not to mention Jewish hypocrisy. It’s time to turn this kosher narrative on its head.

    还必须解决以有组织的共产主义颠覆和共产主义大屠杀形式存在的大规模犹太人犯罪行为。 永远不要忘记真实的历史。 所有的。

    具有讽刺意味的是,国际犹太极端主义为纳粹主义的兴起提供了原因和支撑。

    Nazism represented just one lethal political force among many. As usual, the Jews were in the middle of another hellstorm. Moreover, Hitler and Nazi Germany paid for their sins. But not the commies and Zions. They got away with murder. Yet they insist upon playing ‘victim’. Still. What a crock. This fabrication is today’s Biggest Lie.

    How many ex-commies received aid and comfort after WWII as citizens of the ‘Jewish State’?–or in the US? Plenty. Yet they’re always innocent, always blameless. These falsehoods must be addressed. Malcontents should not be celebrated. Mass murderers should not walk among us. And these same deceivers should not be allowed to pass moral (and judicial) judgement.

    The entire Zionist enterprise is soaked in blood. Zionists should pay reparations and restitution to their many victims. It’s time we addressed it. Loudly.

    还必须正确看待大屠杀纱线。 不仅犹太人的因果关系数字肯定被夸大了,而且犹太人苦难的持续增加使更多的非犹太人在过去一个世纪或更长时间里不得不忍受的痛苦和恐惧变得微不足道。

    Finally, Israeli war crimes, international Zionist meddling and political interference must be confronted and repudiated. It’s time we pushed back. These criminals deserve to be recognized for what they are.

    • 回复: @anarchyst
  96. iffen 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    iffen说:
    11年2018月6日,格林尼治标准时间下午49:XNUMX
    乔纳森·雷维斯基(Jonathan Revusky)
    before embarking on such a long-winded essay
    But I thought word count was your measure of validity and value.
    • 巨魔:乔纳森·雷乌斯基

    Shit-eater.

    • 哈哈: utu
  97. Desert Fox 说:
    @polskijoe

    这些 50 到 60 万的数字来自索尔仁琴的书《古拉格群岛》和罗伯特征服的书《悲伤的收获》等。 犹太人是苏维埃共产主义政府中的绝大多数共产党人,经营着被称为契卡等的屠宰场,这些数字并不夸张,实际上可能偏低。

    如果犹太复国主义者拿走我们的枪,我们将在河城看到类似的事件。

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  98. szopen 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    That was all he wanted.

    No. You are misinformed. Initially in April yes, but the final ultimatum was (from wikipedia):

    “Danzig was to return to Germany and there was to be a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor; Poles who had been born or had settled there since 1919 would have no vote, while all Germans born but not living there would. An exchange of minority populations between the two countries was proposed. If Poland accepted these terms, Germany would agree to the British offer of an international guarantee, which would include the Soviet Union. A Polish plenipotentiary, with full powers, was to arrive in Berlin and accept these terms by noon the next day.”

    Poland also was willing to negotiate, but Hitler deemed all Polish counterproposals as “unreasonable”

    “We have given the German Reich all railway facilities,

    GERMAN-POLISH DISCUSSIONS 41

    we have allowed its citizens to travel without customs or passport formalities from the Reich to East Prussia. We have suggested the extension of similar facilities to road traffic.

    22. And here again the question arises-what is the real object of it all?

    23. 我们无意阻碍德国公民与其东部省份的联系。 但另一方面,我们没有任何理由限制我们在自己领土上的主权。”

  99. @jacques sheete

    The truth is consistent, what Bella Fromm describes as anti jewish measures is corrobated by many other books.

    Helmut Krausnick : Judenverfolgung, 1965, 1967, München
    Victor Klemperer,“我将见证,纳粹时期的日记,1942-1945”,纽约,1999
    Saul Friedländer, ‘Nazi Germany & the Jews, The Years of Persecution 1933-39’, London, 1997

    Why do you think many jews fled to France or the Netherlands ?
    For fun ?
    The Netherlands had so many asjenazi jews as refugees that the assimilated Dutch sephardic jews became antisemites:
    Regina Grüters,“Een fantast scrijft geschiedenis,De transactiones rond FRIEDRICH WEINBERG”,荷兰,1997 年

    Weinberg was an asjkenazi rabbi, fled from Germany.
    He became notorious after the war, he was condemned to a prison sentence after the war for collaboration with the Germans, letting himself paid by jews to prevent deportation, he influenced nothing, and spying in jail on fellow prisoners for the Germans.
    Dutch jewry saw him as a hero, he resisted the Germans.
    The controversy went on in Dutch journals into the eighties.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  100. szopen 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    You can read there a Polish response to German demands and then tell me whether those response was unreasonable and hostile.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/bb/bb-042.html

    And, BTW, before complaining about discrimination of Germans in Poland (which is true to some extent) you should also read something about discrimination of Poles in Germany (which somehow never comes in a discussion)

  101. snag 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I beg your pardon but there’s no such a thing like ‘Polish Jews’ and never was. no one invited them there they’re Jewish invaders and squatters that never assimilated. Prior to WWII 3/4 of them couldn’t communicate in Polish, 9/10 in writing. They didn’t serve, didn’t obey Polish law or pay taxes, they were nothing but drag on the rest of society.

    On the top of that they never failed to stab in the back native Poles every time there was an aggressor at the border. That was the case during partition of Poland and during the German an Russian occupation in 1939. Born to stab, scam, snitch … for profit.

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
  102. iffen 说:
    @szopen

    Is there a definitive account of Pilsudski?

    • 回复: @szopen
  103. j2 说:
    @Michael Kenny

    I may be wrong, but I think is is something like this. Blocks of flats were never nationalized and houses in city centers very often belonged to Jews. After Communism, Poland has given blocks of flats to the descendants of the owners who died or disappeared in the war. There is a condition that the new owner must live in Poland, thus American Jews cannot claim this property yet. Factories, houses of owners of factories, and such were nationalized, but not blocks of flats, houses and so on. The blocks were in poor condition after Communism. People living in flats could purchase them soon after Commune. I do not know if restoring the ownership of the block changes the state of purchased flats, probably not. Those who did not purchase the flats at that time? I do not know what with them.

    The holocaust law problem is artificial and the real reason is somewhere else. The new Polish law does not limit freedom of speech. Holocaust denial laws limit research of history. Fifty years ago there was an episode when Jews were thought to have taken over that country, another ZOG, but they were ousted. It is called a period of anti-Semitism. Maybe it explains Jewish attitudes towards Poland. A country got off the loop, not good. But I think you maybe correct, it may be an economic issue, yet another attempt to benefit on holocaust, but maybe the time for that story is running out.

  104. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    朗诵:
    “Hmmm so, according to you, why before the war Poland had 3 million Jewish citizens, and after war 100.000?”

    谁说的? 不是我。

    是你说他们 to enormous & known mass graves. So why can’t you show us the alleged huge Jew remains?

    Tell us how the alleged, laughable, but impossible ‘gas chambers’ worked.

    你可以预见地回避了这些问题:

    – If some are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like “what happened to them then?

    After all, Jews say ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ 对于巨大的万人坑,犹太人声称知道这些所谓的巨大万人坑的确切位置,但犹太人无法向我们展示任何此类内容。

    ——如果像所谓的那样“计划杀死德国人可以得到的每一个犹太人”,那么为什么会有无数的所谓“幸存者美元”?

    –如果所谓的“大屠杀”是事实,那么为什么欧洲有法律禁止对其进行审查? 什么样的“真相”需要监禁人们以防止言论自由?

    必须在这里阅读:
    大屠杀手册,纪录片和视频: http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    探索大屠杀,pt。 1个 https://codoh.com/library/document/4056/?lang=en
    和:
    奥斯威辛/比克瑙化学

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @polskijoe
  105. Tyrion 2 说:
    @iffen

    I’m not doxing him. It is more than public information. I am merely connecting the dots. His postings here can’t possibly lower this self-admitted American Nazi in the public’s esteem. Nothing is below 0 Kelvin. Can’t he get over himself enough to realise the entirely pointless harm this senile old fool is doing? What a tit…

  106. Wally 说:
    @snag

    Indeed, the impossible ‘gas chambers’ are pure fiction.

    说过:
    “For Russian prisoners of war it was a death camp.”

    No it wasn’t, you have no proof. Regardless of the “fishing partner’s” tall tale.
    Again, another “survivor” of an alleged “death camp”. Hardly credible.
    A lot of people say things / lie, just research witchcraft.

    谢谢。

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @snag
  107. @snag

    Please (re)read the quote from Applebaum.

    Whatever jewish crimes there may have been, there is little doubt that what Gross describes is true.

    It is the same with Lithuania, how bad the economic exploitation of Lithuanians may have been, does that alter the fact of the large scale executions by Lithuanianss of jews ?
    Do you think the pictures a beating jews to death in
    克里斯托弗·布朗宁(Christopher R. Browning),“普通人,预备役101营和波兰的最终解决方案”,1992年,2001年,伦敦
    are fake ?
    This is, of course possible, but the beating fits in what happened in Lithuania, and the fact that even a few years after 2000 Lithuanians refused to talk about what happened to their jews.

    And it fits what was said in the Lithuanian parliament about the restauration of the ghetto.
    A remarkably small area, I saw it, with as peculiar feature some floors about a metre below street level.
    I suppose there was a maximum height for religious buildings, so in order to create more height inside the floor was sunk.

    • 回复: @snag
    , @snag
  108. @polskijoe

    斯大林的死亡人数被夸大了我并不感到惊讶,但相比之下,希特勒的死亡人数则纯属捏造。

  109. @jacques sheete

    It is quite possible that the murder of the German diplomat in Paris was planned as a provocation.
    If it was, Goebbels took the bait
    The Kristallnacht was splendid propaganda against Hitler Germany.
    René d’Argile, etc., Das Geheimnis um die Ursachen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, Wiesbaden 1958 ( Les Origines Secrêtes de la Guerre 1939 – 1945, Paris 1958).

  110. szopen 说:
    @iffen

    “definitive”? I do not think so. I am no historian, mind you; but I have read both many popular histories and historical monographies of the period and I have an impression, that there are many people trying to portrait him as some kind of impeccable hero, while many others try to portrait him as a brute who just got lucky.

  111. szopen 说:
    @Wally

    Since in previous discussions of Holocaust deniers I have already provided links to articles discussing the locations of few mass graves, and the predictable reaction was ignoring them, why I should waste my time on you? I only asked one question, just how do you explain that so many Jews dissapeared. I already know that your kind dismisses relations from Polish government, Polish witnesses and so on.

    So I won’t discuss any of this. I repeat, I just want to know: what do you think happened to those three millions of Polish Jews?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  112. Tyrion 2 说:
    @jacques sheete

    Jews get blamed for not having a state pre-1945. Jews get blamed for having a state post-1948. Maybe there really is something to this chosen people/tears of history sort of interpretation.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  113. @szopen

    None of those mass graves hold anything like the millions claimed.

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @Jonathan Revusky
  114. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Spare me your ‘sources’, please* – So what that there was coal and if it was what good would it do without rail system and the means to deliver it to its destination. Try to use some logic in your statements – When Auschwitz (1940) was build Birkenau (1942) the Germans were winning everywhere they went and didn’t have any fuel supply problems.

    *Wiesel and his daughter became multi millionaires by whining and pointing a finger. There’re too many inconsistencies in his war time days to take him seriously.

    “The most strange thing about “Elie Wiesel” is that he speaks English with a Serbian accent and cannot speak Hungarian. The real Wiesel was supposed to have come from a Hungarian speaking part of Romania. On the internet there is an entry card for “Elie Wiesel” from the Yugoslavian embassy in Paris, for when he entered France from Yugoslavia in 1954. While it shows his photo, it does not show his real name, which must be something Serbian. It is unlikely he is a Jew as he looks much more like a Serb. It seems the reason he came to France was to pose as Elie Wiesel when the French author Mauriac wrote Elie Wiesel’s “Night”, adapted from the real Wiesel’s Yiddish book “un di welt hot geschwigen”.

    这是另一个。
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n1p15_okeefe.html

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  115. Max Denken 说:

    @szopen
    你与这些人讨论是在浪费时间,但出于你自己的好奇心,这本回忆录提供了部分答案: https://www.amazon.com/Death-Brigade-Janowska-Road/dp/0896040003.

  116. @Max Denken

    It’s useless to argue with religious fanatics…

    Does that include fake monotheists, rabid JINOs, deranged rabbis, and “ethno”-fanatics such as the Izzy first crowd?

    我们如何处理这种生物及其支持者之类的人?

    “ Goyim的诞生只是为我们服务。 没有这些,他们就不会在世界上占有一席之地,只能为以色列人民服务。”
    为什么需要外邦人? 他们会工作,他们会耕作,他们会收获。 根据约瑟夫的说法,死亡对以色列的非犹太人“没有控制权”。
    “恨外邦人!” 以色列的种族主义者拉比斯(JONATHAN COOK)
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/israel-s-racist-rabbis/

    What about one of the chief agitators for war, “rabbi” Stephen Wise, an intimate of FDR, the Red? What are we to think?

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  117. @jacques sheete

    This stuff is so obvious that a dumb goy like myself

    It’s obvious to Zionist Jews like Tyrion 2 too, but they’re the chosen ones, so in their view there’s no moral equivalence between what they do and what the cattle do.

  118. @jilles dykstra

    Why do you think many jews fled to France or the Netherlands ?
    For fun ?

    Fun possibly; drama, likely.

    I think because some were Marxists and the heat was on. Plus many were undoubtedly scared out of their wits by the Zionists who used terror as an “incentive” to motivate emigration to Palestine. Others probably just didn’t want to be around when the war started, especially since it was inevitable that the Soviets would come. Is it not true that many people, Jews included fled the Germans at the approach of the Soviet barbarians? Some, like your Glamour Girl tabloidist, thought there would be greener pastures in the USA or France or whereever; it was a common idea among many folks.

    No doubt there were other reasons.

    The truth is consistent, what Bella Fromm describes as anti jewish measures is corrobated by many other books.

    Why did she hob nob with the Nazis for 5 years before she decided to exit? She seems to have had quite the time cavorting with Nazis for a while. What changed?

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  119. szopen 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Sure, I’ve heard that already. “There are no mass graves!” SObibór mass graves discovered? “No, they are not mass graves, because there were no human remains there”. But there are fragments of human bones found there? “No, they aren’t, and besides, no way they could fit burned remains of 120-250k people in those seven graves”. What about graves recently discovered in Treblinka? They are too small. And that’s pretty much the discussion about any mass grave and any evidence.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  120. Z-man 说:
    @jacques sheete

    It seems pretty obvious that the Zionist State of Israel is the worst anti-Semitic and anti-Jew entity that ever existed. They’ve made a mockery of all that Jews claim to stand for, and to add insult to injury, the schmucks are mostly non-Semite, but Eastern European rejects!

    说得好。

  121. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Listen, even if there were excesses in eastern Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, Latvia they took place after years of Soviet brutal occupation and in case of Poland after Soviets left running from Germans IT WAS A PAYBACK for Jewish collaboration with Soviet occupant. They welcomed invading Red Army with flowers and lists of potential resistance leaders, later they provided lists with the names deportees to Siberia where hundreds of thousands Poles periched in gulags. They did the same thing welcoming Germans ,…

    You have to remember that WWII started in September ’39, Wannsee Conference and persecution of Jews only after Wannsee Conference in early ’42 First transports of Jews to Birkenau started in the middle of ’42, before that they were treated better in occupied Poland than Poles.

    Auschwitz was build for Poles and according to my father’s friend the only Jews in Auschwitz were the Jewish criminals and mostly as kapos not prisoners.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @jilles dykstra
  122. A very good, almost encyclopedic article. Just a few rambling thoughts …

    1. Jewish Polonophobia still exists. For various cultural & historical reasons eastern Jews had much more assimilated to German & Russian cultures (especially German). Among Polish Jews some were against Polish independence (Rosa Luxembourg), while others were for (Feliks Perl).

    2. anti-Catholicism. In their relation to versions of Christianity, especially Western, Jews are much more at ease with Protestantism (especially Calvinism), while Catholicism is both too supernatural/alien for them & loaded with real & imagined historical burden (Crusades, Inquisition,..). Because Poland is Catholic, so …

    3. this media hysteria is mostly Israel-US-UK-Germany orchestrated. Having in mind Jewish influence in American media, I think it is a combination of at least two elements: whipping up Jewish victimological narrative into frenzied mania (a good focus for tribal emotional circling the wagons), while more importantly, media warfare against stubborn central & east European countries of Marianist tradition (Poland, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia) that openly dismiss Western European suicidal policy of mass immigration of Africans & Muslims.

  123. polskijoe 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    仅德国就损失了 8%(远不及 25%)。

    包括奥地利和德国以外的德国人:损失 = 9%

    (在两个帖子中,损失我指的是死亡和失踪)。

    我想知道您使用的是什么 BS 来源? 伦斯? 自由大厅? 国际卫生条例?

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  124. 犹太人?

    我不屑一顾

    The Jews are destroyers and their day of reckoning is coming.

    They have targeted the European peoples for destruction and they shall reap what they sow.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  125. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    That 1600 turned to 300 according to researchers and the place (Jedwabne in Grosses’ book) is the only mass murder place in Europe where some rebbe decided to intervene and stop excavation after they discover German made ammunition where they died.

    Gross’s story is digestible for western ignorants not for the folks that have some co-existence experience with Jews. Practically there’s no nation in Europe that didn’t suffer because of their evil ideas and conduct … not one. Take good look in the mirror and do some soul searching before you point your finger at anyone.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  126. Ex-Saffer 说:

    说到“正义的外邦人”,与他们有关的一件事一直困扰着我。那些为犹太人冒着生命危险的外邦人是否曾分享过从德国索取的赔款?我乐观地认为,专门用于发放这笔资金的庞大机构中的一小部分可能会与许多隐藏犹太人的农民和工厂主分享一些慷慨的资金。或者这些勇敢的人只是被拍了一下头?

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  127. @Beefcake the Mighty

    None of those mass graves hold anything like the millions claimed.

    It is my understanding that current-day forensic science is so fine-tuned that, if you had even the smallest bit of human remains of somebody who was killed by Zyklon B gassing, the cause of death would be verifiable, even now, decades later. Millions of people were allegedly murdered with this poison gas and I have never heard of any fragment of a bone or tooth or lock of hair of any gassing victim ever being presented.

    Also, as far as I know, while there are various people who claim to have witnessed these mass gassings, none of these people have ever described a realistic protocol for gassing a large number of people to death and then removing the bodies and then disposing of them — by that, I mean, a procedure that is even remotely feasible technically. I am pretty certain that any aggressive cross-examination of these eyewitnesses would reveal them to be liars. (Or “would have”, since it is no longer possible, since they are all dead by now. Or at least I assume they are…)

    So, my current view is that any objective critical thinker, based on these sorts of basic facts, would realize that the gas chamber part of the story is simply untrue. It simply cannot withstand any critical analysis. The only reason to believe it is if one has a strong emotional need to believe the story. Hence the need to establish this as something akin to a religion.

    All that said, I have to admit that I believed the gas chamber story for most of my life, since I never subjected it to any critical analysis and had always ignored the revisionist literature. I trusted the mainstream portrayal of these people as just cranks. Once I decided to read some of the revisionist literature with an open mind, I quickly realized that they were basically telling the truth.

    So it is only recently that I have come to understand just how absurd most of the canonical Holocaust narrative really is. This was quite disturbing, but it was also liberating, because I came to realize how mentally oppressive all this Holocaustianity sacred narrative really is. But, more importantly, along with some other things (like JFK and 9/11…) it provided a very basic lesson. It’s about understanding the difference between storytelling and real, established facts, which is what critical thinking is really about.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @CanSpeccy
  128. polskijoe 说:
    @Max Denken

    希特勒爱好者和亲纳粹修正主义者令人讨厌。 他们可以享受他们的多样性和自由主义。 正是他们的政策摧毁了欧洲的大部分地区,导致自由主义和犹太复国主义获胜。

    乌克兰民族主义者和纳粹分子喜欢声称有 10-14 百万乌克兰人死亡。

    然而,大多数专家直接同意有 3-5 百万乌克兰人饿死……还有几百万俄罗斯人/哈萨克人/白种人/等。 它被称为苏联饥荒。 Holodomar 指的是乌克兰人。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

    (维基百科有偏见,有时是错误的,但它优于任何纳粹废话)。

    现在,当一些纳粹大屠杀、强奸、种族灭绝、邪恶正忙着开枪射击那些不道德的人、轰炸城市,并将他们送到死亡集中营时,显然他们太受指责了。

    老实说,我什至听到一些吹毛求疵的人甚至声称卡勒吉是犹太人,斯大林是犹太人,等等。
    (Kalergi 是日本和欧洲的混合体)而斯大林是格鲁吉亚人(Djugasvili 并不是指犹太人的儿子)。

    我不喜欢有组织的犹太人,但我永远不会站在自由大厅、修正主义、种族灭绝否认者一边。

    1000 年来,德国一直在攻击斯拉夫的土地。 条顿骑士团,反波兰人渣
    比如俾斯麦(也是反天主教的)、希特勒(也是反天主教的)、“伟大的”弗雷德里克等。

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  129. @Maple Curtain

    Watch out mate, or Tyrion 2 will call you an anti-Semite, then where will you be? In deep shit, that’s where.

  130. @Tyrion 2

    Jews get blamed for not having a state pre-1945. Jews get blamed for having a state post-1948.

    Oh, c’mon, Tyrion! This is an unfair fight; a dumb goy vs a very intelligent and knowledgeable “Jew,” but please, I’m not exactly that dense and neither are you.

    I never heard that Jews get blamed for not having a state, so details, please.

    Jews do not get blamed for having a state post 1948. They already had states and as you know, many Jews considered themselves Germans pre-1948 and post as well. Besides, the USA was home to many Jews. New York City has long been their 事实上的 州。

    You and I, dumb goy that I am, know that the State of Israel is 不能 despised because it’s a Jewish state, (I believe it’s a Zionist, not a Jewish one, btw, but that’s another story), but it’s despised for the terrorist methods used to gain the land, the ongoing oppression and sadistic, unnecessary violence waged against Palestinians, and the fact that Israel and Izzy sympathizers have a death grip on the media, on schooling, on our foreign and domestic policies, and on our government to say nothing of the dollars wrung out of the most bankrupt nation on Earth.

    I happen to be a very sensitive individual, so I react badly to attempted bullshitting… 🙂

    • 同意: Z-man
    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  131. @Jonathan Revusky

    So it is only recently that I have come to understand just how absurd most of the canonical Holocaust narrative really is.

    Take any bit of recent “history,” or other canonical narrative, subject it to a similar degree of scrutiny, and you’ll find that most of it is pure, highly adulterated, bull droppings. Most of what we’ve been taught stinks as bad as our politicians and international bankers do.

    Frauds-R-USA。

  132. @Ex-Saffer

    或者这些勇敢的人只是被拍了一下头?

    通常,有用的白痴一旦用尽,就会被扔到公共汽车下。容易上当的“伊兹第一”团队可能很快就会发现这一点。

    They don’t need to look for any sympathy from me.

  133. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    What “mass graves recently discovered at Treblinka” /Sobibor?
    Show us what was found.

    In fact, I”ll spare you the trouble. Everyone observe and learn.
    记得:
    – claimed ‘900,000 Jews buried at Treblinka’
    – claimed ‘250,000 Jews buried at Sobibor’

    Alleged mass grave for 900,000 at Treblinka:Only these 6 skeletons from an admitted transit site that once move hundreds of thousands of people through, although Jews claim that 250,000 Jews are buried at this site, Sobibor.

    Of those measly few we have no idea:
    1. that they are Jews
    2. that they were actually murdered by the Germans and did not die of natural causes
    3. that they can be dated to the WWII era
    No lab analysis was permitted.
    These stones said to be remains of 250,000 jews
    No lab analysis was permitted.

    That’s what they found. This is The Big Lie aka: the ‘holocau$t’

    much more info.:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=treblinka+sturdy
    和:
    https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=haimi+sobibor

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @anarchyst
    , @szopen
  134. @Jonathan Revusky

    So it is only recently that I have come to understand just how absurd most of the canonical Holocaust narrative really is.

    Millions of Jews surely suffered and many died by the hand of Nazis. But so did millions of other people, about whom we hear much less.

    Jewish insistence on the uniqueness of the crime of the Jewish Holocaust is the natural consequence of Jewish racism and supremacism. It is also a manifestation of Jewish hypocrisy, genocide being a standard tool of Jewish policy, past and present:

    And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. Deuteronomy 2:34

    And we utterly destroyed them, … utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. Deuteronomy 3:6

    And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2

    And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. Deuteronomy 7:16

    Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. Deuteronomy 13:15

    But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. Deuteronomy 20:16-17

    And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

    So smote all the country … he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Joshua 10:40

    Thus saith the LORD of hosts … go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2-3

  135. polskijoe 说:
    @Desert Fox

    这些数字完全是谎言。 我不喜欢低智商的废话。

    我读过 Solzehnitsyn 和 Rummels 的研究。 还有很多很多。

    不过,Solhentsyn(我尊敬的人)对这些数字一无所知。

    那么让我们谈谈罗伯特康奎斯特,看看你有多聪明:

    悲伤的收获……征服说他没有足够的来源来证实他的发现。

    在《大恐怖》一书中,他建议了 20 万-30。
    罗伯特康奎斯特后来将他的估计改为约 15 万至 20 万。

    美国出于政治目的和无知夸大了估计。

    想要更多事实吗?

    在布尔什维克时代(最高领导层)期间,犹太人数量众多。 每十年后,他们的人数下降,影响力下降。 这就是为什么今天大多数同情共产主义的犹太人支持托洛茨基和列宁,而不是斯大林。

    我承认 1930 年代的许多古拉格领导人都是犹太人。 和契卡。

    无论哪种方式

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @annamaria
  136. @szopen

    You’ve heard much, but apparently learned very little.

  137. Wally 说:
    @snag

    You’re just making stuff up as you go. Empty bar talk.

    Here’s the facts about the “Wannsee Conference”:

    万湖会议协议,结构剖析:
    http://codoh.com/library/document/934/

    Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence:
    http://codoh.com/library/document/230/

    万湖会议纪要揭穿:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1647

    http://www.codoh.com

  138. @utu

    What is the source for this stand-down order? I know some Polish commanders initially did not oppose Soviet troops because they assumed they were coming to fight the Germans, but this was battlefield confusion, etc. Do you mean to say the Polish government told troops in the east to simply run and live to fight another day?

  139. polskijoe 说:
    @Wally

    [quote]-如果有所谓的“计划杀死德国人可能接触到的所有犹太人”,那么为什么会有无数所谓的“幸存者$”?\ [/quote]

    原始问题。

    因为人们找到了逃脱的方法,因为人们帮助了犹太人,因为许多人在集中营中幸存下来并在战后被释放。

    一旦纳粹大屠杀者被斯拉夫人消灭,他们就没有时间完成他们的工作。

    [quote]毕竟,犹太人说“6万犹太人和5万其他人”去了巨大的万人坑,犹太人声称知道这些所谓的巨大万人坑的确切位置,但犹太人无法向我们展示此类内容。 [/引用]

    谁在乎“犹太人声称”什么(我怀疑他们中的大多数人声称)。

    3万波兰人被屠杀
    4万乌克兰人
    2万白俄罗斯人
    甚至更多的俄罗斯人。

    真见鬼,所有可信的估计,例如波兰至少有 6 万人死亡,而 SU 有 23-27 百万人死亡。

    您可能会说服 80-90 智商的 bs。 但它对大多数正常人不起作用。

    纳粹至少有一些智慧(虽然邪恶),
    而新纳粹分子有两位数的智商。

  140. @snag

    笑。

    好,

    you’ll have to take that up with Poland. Apparently, the Poland recognizes that their citizens are comprised on christians, atheist, muslims, doaists and jews. In other words, if Poland does not limit being polish to any particular faith — I am not in a position to challenge them . And if I were in said position —

    我不会

    • 回复: @snag
  141. AaronB 说:

    Well, when Jews lost their state in Roman times they had three options. Assimilate, remain separate but keep a low profile like the Amish – don’t try and make tons of money and acquire power – or remain separate, and try and become powerful and wealthy and dominate your hosts.

    Jews choose option three, which guarantees strife. No one would mind Jews if they were a small community of pious worshippers like the Amish.

    The problem is that the Jews contract with God clearly states that God will make them rule over the nations, and grow rich and powerful. So it was never a realistic option that Jews would remain a community of inoffensive worshippers.

    A community of people that did not try and dominate and grow wealthy would not – could not – be Jewish, whatever it may be.

    Unlike Christianity, Judaism isn’t really defined by beliefs – there is no creed one must affirm. Judaism is an attitude towards life, an agenda, a program, a contract with God.

    Speaking to my religious Jewish friends I am more and more impressed with the seeming absence of a core of beliefs. For every opinion expressed by a rabbi, there is an opposing equally authoritative one.

    What matters is practice – practice the laws and rituals, and God will make you rulers over others and wealthy. Your flocks and your children shall multiply and the nation’s will bow down before you. That’s the deal. You can believe what you want.

    When Jews try and reconvert lapsed Jews back into the faith, they say you can believe whatever you want just start practicing the rituals. When Christians try and convert others they give you a list of things to believe in. Believe them, and you’re a Christian.

    Nothing is easier than to create doubt, and if you have beliefs you have to defend them. But if someone makes you doubt them, then your world is gone.

    But if your world never depended on beliefs, but on practices, attitudes towards life, you’re not so vulnerable. People can say what they want. What are they chipping away at exactly? Your life is based on an agenda with a contract at its center. Either the agenda is fulfilled, or it isn’t. What’s to argue about?

    Among the great civilizations, Christianity with its dependence on beliefs was uniquely vulnerable. If you could undermine Christian beliefs, you could create total confusion.

    Asians don’t have beliefs either, but just an attitude towards life and a set of practices. That’s why they are relatively unaffected by the belief based stupidities coming put of the West.

    If you do something because it’s “right”, then if I can convince you it isn’t right – not so difficult, as we can never really be sure – then you’ll lose your motivation to do it.

    But what if you do something because it leads to success or flourishing or is intrinsically satisfying? In that case, you can’t make me lose motivation by chipping away at my beliefs. Either an action leads to success or it doesn’t, either it’s satisfying or it isn’t.

    It is justified – or not – in itself, not in reference to something else.

    Christian emphasis on beliefs probably cane from Greek philosophy and is unique. Maybe it’s time to get rid of it.

    Do things not because of some belief but because it’s satisfying. It’s self justified, and no one can confuse you. The results are immediate.

    Or, like Jews, do things not because of beliefs but because they lead to certain goals, like power and wealth. That way, who can undermine you? You’re not doing anything because of some belief about the world that makes it “right”, which you can never be absolutely sure is true. Either that action leads to success, or not. At most, someone can challenge your tactics, but there is an easy way to test them. With beliefs, you can never test them, and doubt is easy to create in anyone. Doubt is at the center of the human condition. We can’t even prove that we exist, or that anything exists, or that causality is real. We are conducted to never be sure.

    Doubt is so easy to create, that Christians had to fight religious wars in order to suppress opposing opinions – so shaky were they in their own beliefs, and so threatened. By contrast, Islam fights only to subject you to the will of Allah – it too has a contract with God at its center, that the whole world will be subject to Islam in some way. That’s not a belief, that’s s goal, an agenda. How would you undermine that? You can’t.

    The strong person is not he who has strong beliefs but he who has replaced beliefs with goals, practices, and agendas – or who pursues intrinsically satisfying actions, that is, actions that give immediate pleasure and are not justified by a belief.

    Christian civilization had a weakness at its heart, and yet, the original message of Jesus was also not about a set of beliefs but a Way, a Path, a way to live that was immediately self-justifying in that it brought immense satisfaction, as love and self sacrifice are immediate pleasures that justify themselves – or not. But there is no room for doubt. It’s not a belief.

    Today the West still takes beliefs seriously – it thinks matter is real, the only real thing. Yet what we call matter is partly, maybe largely, a product of our own minds. There is a reality, but we can never know what it is. We can only see it through the distorting prism of our minds.

    It would be possible to once again undermine the Western belief in matter because all belief systems are vulnerable, but would that just be replaced by another belief, or would the West grow wise?

  142. polskijoe 说:
    @Wally

    你喜欢在你的假网站上发布垃圾邮件:所以让我报答你……

    二战中数百万德国人死亡的证据在哪里?

    尸体在哪里?

    为什么德国人向犹太人发送报复,而不是波兰人、俄罗斯人或希腊人?
    为什么德国人与犹太复国主义者合作?
    德国为什么要向俄罗斯派兵?
    为什么德国直到今天还在攻击波兰?
    为什么德国偏爱穆斯林和犹太人而不是斯拉夫人?

    没有名字叫…

    搜多网

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  143. 嗯嗯嗯。 。 。

    who to believe. I find a very tough sell for me to ell Germany and Poland that there was no holocaust in which Jews were primary targets when both

    Germany and Poland say there was.

    Collective dual state mass false confessions or acknowledgement —

    Maybe a coin toss.

    Excuse my potential heresy in either direction.

    • 回复: @Wally
  144. AaronB 说:

    I was reading an essay by George Santayana in which he makes the arresting remark – for the Jews, it was not enough that they had a God. They wanted everyone else not to have a God. I found that so striking.

    That’s the origin of Jewish monotheism – everyone had a tribal God, but to make your tribal God the only God, and you his favourite people, is a special kind of egotism.

    This attitude can help explain a lot of what’s going on today. It isn’t enough for Jews to have an ethno-state, it has to be that no one else has one. It isn’t enough for Jews to have a Holocaust, no one else can have suffered.

    And it makes sense. If life, for you, is about keeping score, then you have “enough” only compared to how much the other guy has. You can’t just be happy that you’ve got something good and let other people have it also. That’s s different kind of attitude to life, the one that’s about pursuing intrinsically satisfying actions.

    But that’s not Jewish. From the get go, Judaism is the score keeping attitude – your flocks shall prosper and you will multiply and rule over the nations. Not – go live an intrinsically satisfying life. One imagines from the start the Hebrews were a tribe that could not feel happiness.

    寻求幸福和记分(实际上只是推迟到未来的幸福)是相反的哲学,尼采作为记分法的伟大信徒之一,蔑视幸福。

    桑塔塔纳的一本好书是《德国哲学中的利己主义》,他在书中指出,德国人的巨大利己主义是从犹太人那里遗传来的。那是在纳粹之前,我很惊讶人们甚至在那时就建立了这种联系。纳粹实际上是德国自私自利的悠久传统的顶峰,而不是突然冒出来的。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
    , @snag
  145. Art 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    I’ve found you, you 70 year old crazy lunatic!

    Arthur Jones formerly of the American Nazi Party.

    提利昂 2,

    Sorry – your are 100% wrong – I am not that person. I hate Hitler and Nazis.

    “Art” is a handle – not my actual name.

    I have never belonged to any party.

    Outside of comments – I have never been published.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @iffen
  146. Lex 说:
    @Michael Kenny

    Szewach Weiss(former ambassador of Israel to Poland and Chairman of the Knesset) – so called “friend of Poland” – claims that Poland has to pay out at least 65 billion dollars to Jews because it is Poland’s moral obligation since Germans committed their crimes on Polish soil. I am not distorting his message in any way, that’s what he said.

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @Seraphim
  147. Paw 说:
    @animalogic

    What is more , now there is one Holocaust too far. Hysteria used against Poland /very proud nation/ , must cover far worse holocaust , like in Bolshevik Russia.
    As usual the huge hysteria is suppose to be solutions and to cover , reasons why there are many centuries long hostilities against the jews. At the same time.
    Every Hysteria is to dominate others. Anyone with experience and contacts , living with them , can talk. But is not permitted.

  148. iffen 说:
    @Art

    Outside of comments – I have never been published.

    Get real, Arts, no one, as in nobody here, believes this. 🙂

  149. Wally 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Well, governments worldwide said that witchcraft was fact, courts proved it, there were “eyewitnesses”, “confessions”, & “documents” galore.

    But like the alleged ‘6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’, there was / is no proof.

    You’re going through cognitive dissonance. You’ll be fine.
    所有修正主义者都是前信徒。

    And why do so many want ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ to be dead?
    犹太人尤其应该高兴地知道,他们的 6 万兄弟没有被谋杀。

    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
  150. Max Denken 说:
    @AaronB

    有趣的一点,但你必须抵制从大约 3500 年前到现在的连续性。你对原始犹太宗教独特的狂热的看法是正确的,人们也可能会在那里引发几起种族灭绝事件。然而——这是犹太人被纳入西方文明概念的两个古老原因之一——他们是第一个禁止活人祭祀的人。亚伯拉罕和以撒的故事就是对此的神话描述。另一个原因是,基督教是犹太教的直系后裔,尽管不是取代了犹太人旧时代宗教的拉比塔木德教。犹太教传承给基督教的特征之一就是狂热,这种狂热可以追溯到三世纪,并于公元 325 年在尼西亚首次被编纂成法典。想象一下消灭整个群体,从古老的撒克逊人到普鲁士人和其他东北欧异教民族,再到卡特里派、火刑柱上的女巫、宗教裁判所等等。罗马国教根本没有那种狂热,那种声称拥有排他性的宗教信仰。锁定真相。因此,将您所做的功能仅归因于犹太教不再正确。甚至不让我开始了解伊斯兰教......

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Seraphim
    , @iffen
    , @Mulegino1
  151. anarchyst 说:
    @Wally

    如果一个国家死于种族灭绝,为什么会保留记录? 为什么会在数百(如果不是数千)英里之外的“营地”建造卫生设施,住房,医疗,娱乐和其他辅助设施? 仅通过“消除”这些麻烦而不经历所有这些麻烦,难道不是一件容易的事吗? 如果目标是灭绝,他们为什么要利用有限的能源在后勤运输上投入大量精力? 事情不会“累加”……

    在整个犹太人的“大屠杀”交易中,有些“大发”。 犹太犹太复国主义者与德国政府进行“交易”以使犹太德国人的生活“不舒服”已不是什么秘密。 实际上,犹太犹太复国主义者的领导人首先提出,所有犹太人都佩戴“黄色大卫王之星”袖标,以便于识别。

    自6,000,000年代以来,与1800万人口一起建立“家园”一直是犹太复国主义者的“梦想”。 有什么比使“德国社会的奶油”(犹太人)困难的事更好的鼓励“移民”到异国的方式呢? 关于所谓的犹太“大屠杀™”的真相已经揭晓。 。 。

    所谓的犹太人“大屠杀™”已变成事实上的“宗教”,不允许偏离正统观念。 实际上,在大多数欧洲国家,在罚款和监禁的痛苦下,严格禁止对犹太人的“大屠杀”真相进行独立调查。 在美国,情况并没有那么糟,只有“部落”成员的工作丧失以及个人和职业毁灭才可以明显看出犹太人“大屠杀™”的真实真相暴露出来。 不能将真相用作防御程序,也不能在可以进行调查历史事件的“袋鼠法庭”中用作证据。 给您一个“大屠杀™”发起人的问题-为什么有法律将寻求真理定为刑事犯罪?

    当有关这一历史事件的真相问世时,它将改变世界上许多人对将这一事件当作“摇钱树”的“摇钱树”的看法。 。 。 “没有像“ SHOAH业务”这样的业务。
    犹太人在这一事件中的同谋被仔细地“掩盖”了。

    当前审查制度的一个很好的例子是等待那些敢于质疑“官方”犹太“大屠杀”正统观念的人们的命运。 大多数欧洲国家已将任何偏离“官方”犹太“大屠杀”故事的思想定为犯罪。 为什么?? 实际上,当涉及“大屠杀”时,TRUTH并不是防御。 Ask指出二战研究员David Irving,为避免受到惩罚,他被迫撤回TRUTH。 。 。

    如果人们只知道为犹太人的“大屠杀”而进行的计划(在“选择的”计划中),那将是一个庞大的大屠杀。 您会看到,犹太人的“大屠杀”对于迫使建立犹太国家是必要的。 在这种情况下,ENDS证明了MEANS的合理性。 在整个人类历史上,曾有过许多悲惨得多的“大屠杀”,但犹太人的“大屠杀”是唯一重要的事件。 。 。

    看一下“所谓的犹太人大屠杀™的商业化”,而方便得多的共产主义(真正)大屠杀却被人们轻易地遗忘了。 为了确保持续供应犹太人的“大屠杀™”“幸存者”,犹太人在他们的孩子和孙子上刻有他们的ATM(哎呀,我的意思是“营地”数字)。 此外,犹太心理学家提出了一个新概念,即“疾病”-“大屠杀™”“移徙综合症”。 您会看到,犹太人“大屠杀™”幸存者的孩子和孙子都感染了这种“疾病”,也应被视为“大屠杀™”幸存者,并有资格获得“大屠杀™”赔偿。

    自1933年犹太人向德国宣战以来(是,1933年),德国人别无选择,只能完成将犹太人边缘化的犹太复国主义计划(至少可以说)。巴勒斯坦使犹太人成为世界的“故乡”-以色列。 有趣的是,德国抵制犹太人的活动持续了一天,而犹太人的抵制(实际上是犹太人对德国的宣战)始于1933年,一直持续到第二次世界大战的总和。

    犹太复国主义者一直在预测犹太人的“故乡”,而在过去的6年中,犹太人的“大屠杀TM”为731,000万。 在欧洲行动区中,非战斗人员的实际死亡人数约为6,而不是XNUMX万(国际红十字会的官方数字)。

    关于“大屠杀™”“奥斯威辛集中营”,所谓的“气室”的设计存在工程上的矛盾。 门不是气密设计的; 这样就不可能取回尸体,在所谓的“加气”发生之后,就没有办法使房间通风。” 有一个“气室”烟囱没有连接任何东西。 从工程的角度来看,这些都是非常严重的错误,将导致这些所谓的“气室”的“操作员”死亡。 由于德国人是优秀的工程师,因此很难观察到目前在这些“营地”中存在的明显的工程错误。

    美国执行专家弗雷德·勒赫特(Fred Leuchter)前往奥斯威辛集中营,秘密地从所谓的“毒气室”获得了样本,对其进行了测试并发表了他的结果。 除一个样本外,所有样本中均不存在亚甲蓝,这证明“气室”不存在。 从用于消毒衣物的房间中获取一个阳性样本。 实际上,所谓的“毒气室”的“烟囱”没有连接任何东西。

    勒赫特先生因其对“真相”的追求而受到奖励,因为他的职业和个人品格被“部落”的人暗杀。 他失去了他所有的联邦和州合同,并因马萨诸塞州一项晦涩难懂的“无证从事工程技术”的“法律”而受到起诉。该法律之前或之后从未使用过。 。 。

    毫无疑问,第二次世界大战后,苏联为了宣传目的而试图“建立”“死亡集中营”。 是的,那里有极端的匮乏和痛苦,许多人丧生。 死亡的主要原因是斑疹伤寒。 由于盟军炸弹摧毁了大部分基础设施,斑疹伤寒处于流行水平。 这就是造成大量人类死亡的原因。 。 不要放气。

    有趣的是,在营地被“盟军”“解放”之前,营地居民选择逃离德国军队,而不是被俄国“盟军”“解放”。

    我敦促那些“大屠杀™”的信徒们自己检查这些事情-如果您敢。 您不会喜欢您发现的东西……

    • 回复: @snag
    , @jilles dykstra
  152. Beckow 说:
    @German_reader

    Well, it is relative. Britain dislikes a lot of other countries, so superficially you will also find anti-German expressions. (I once mentioned the term ‘Irish Express’ to a Brit – logistics company – and he promptly called it an oxymoron.) I am talking about the national policy – the stuff that comes out of British universities, media, government.

    The national policy (of both US and UK) is skewed towards Germany. They are in Nato together, so it is understandable. There has been quite a bit of well funded effort (books, lectures, etc…) to shift some of the blame for WWII from Germany, it is also always referred to as ‘Nazis’, not Germans.

    Whenever Germans show some independent thought, the WWII is used to bludgeon them back into obedience. But as long as they are loyal, the downplaying and relativisation continues. In general, British an American understanding of WWII is bizarrely false, but I don’t want to get into that – complex and long topic.

    • 回复: @iffen
  153. annamaria 说:
    @polskijoe

    “Solhentsyn (who I respect) had no clue about the numbers though. The figures are a complete lie. I dont fall for low iq nonsense.”
    – Have you personally had an access to the Soviet archives? Or you believe that since the facts (FACTS, documented facts) are inconvenient for the Jews it is Ok to sequester a book/documentary created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature. Who are you to bad-mouth Solzhenitsyn who stood up courageously to the Soviet regime when people like you were opportunistically submissive? Guess, the innocence of your mind does not allow you to take a look at Solzhenitsyn book: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    — Too much against what your rabbi preaches on Saturdays, polskijoe?

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  154. Tyrion 2 说:
    @jacques sheete

    All those criticisms apply to Israel’s neighbours in the Middle East many times more.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @annamaria
  155. Max Denken 说:
    @jacques sheete

    正如你可以从上面的文章中推断出的那样,我并不是犹太人世界观的辩护者。我可以引用你提到的一些内容,并向你提出一些建议。然而,你不能用你的画笔追踪这些人,然后把这把画笔传递给整个犹太人,贯穿他们的整个历史。此外,对犹太人的批评,即使是最严厉的批评,也不能成为改写历史、把希特勒变成好人、把第三帝国变成犹太人背信弃义的无辜受害者的可怜尝试的借口。这比拉比的引言还要疯狂。

    历史是复杂的。没有黑白之分。老实处理,JQ区也是如此。

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @jacques sheete
  156. All those criticisms apply to Israel’s neighbours in the Middle East many times more.

    Please, dear sir, I already appealed to to your kindliness:

    I happen to be a very sensitive individual, so I react badly to attempted bullshitting

    Do you have any idea how bad it hurts to be the butt of attempted condescension?

    Besides, I thought the Izzies were special and chosen to be above all that. Would a super race really stoop to such behavior? Why?

  157. @polskijoe

    希特勒爱好者和亲纳粹修正主义者令人讨厌。

    希特勒的恋人比布尔什的恋人(例如斯大林的恋人)以及罗斯福和丘吉尔的恋人更有意义,他们都没有在战斗中养狗。

    如果没有华尔街资助的大革命,就不会有纳粹运动。 希特勒长期以来 防卫 而美国和英国从未受到任何想象的威胁。 所以……很明显看到罗斯福和丘吉尔是 更糟糕 比希特勒,而斯大林早在希特勒上台之前就已经在地狱里了,那么谁更糟呢? 我确实钦佩斯大林消灭了许多旧的布尔什人,并让希特勒通过允许德国军队在苏联训练来规避凡尔赛条约的部分条款。 尽管如此,斯大林无论如何都比希特勒差,但比两个不道德的贵族花花公子罪犯罗斯福和丘吉尔要好。

    所以你们罗斯福和丘吉尔的恋人不仅令人讨厌,而且像他们和他们的钱袋支持者一样犯罪。

    他们可以享受他们的多样性和自由主义。 正是他们的政策摧毁了欧洲的大部分地区,导致自由主义和犹太复国主义获胜。

    不,谁拥有黄金,谁就有权力。 New Yoik 和伦敦的国际银行家手握黄金,并在做主。 他们是主要的赢家。 是他们摧毁了欧洲,并在这个过程中让美国陷入困境,而且他们仍在这样做。

    • 同意: Carroll Price
    • 不同意: polskijoe
  158. snag 说:
    @anarchyst

    Remember those famous lampshades of human skin in Stutthof, or soap of jewish flesh … No evidence Crap. I remember a sign 4 million gassed in Birkenau today is 900.000 and slipping down.

    Yad Vashem have a list of 3 million victims of German persecution with some names counted twice that means more than 3 million are MIA – In 2007 Germans opened their (meticulous) archives for scholars to study, the list in Yad Vashem haven’t changed and for what I know there’s no interest on their side to start digging and prove that they’re right and the rest of us who dare to contest that 6 millions their are wrong.

    • 回复: @Hippopotamusdrome
  159. iffen 说:
    @Beckow

    it is also always referred to as ‘Nazis’, not Germans.

    Like people are always saying Bolsheviks, commies, Soviets, etc. rather than …

    • 回复: @Beckow
  160. It isn’t too hard to figure out, just look at what they’re doing to America, with the help of traitors and dual citizens, slowly turning America into Palestine. Yeah, we’ve noticed the police state creep. Taking away our rights.
    Look at what they’re doing everywhere they can slither in, death, poverty and destruction follow, those AIPAC rallies don’t help, that just tells all Americans, EXACTLY who is pulling the strings, so we know exactly who to blame, no doubt about it.
    and controlling the Federal Reserve, Wall St., MIC… America has been going down fast since the creation of Israel, so its not too hard to connect the dots.
    Its pretty clear 9/11 was another Israeli/CIA/MIC job, just like USS Liberty and many others, Israels entire history has been built on lies, false flags, genocide, ethnic cleansing, hatred of everything..
    Keep calling us names though, that’ll work. I will admit, you had a lot of folks fooled for a long time, but the mass murder of Christians in Iraq, Syria have woken even the dumbest up. You idiots had it so nice for a long time, leeching off everyone else, the end of all that is near. Trust me. You’re a fish out of water now. No going back.

    • 同意: jacques sheete, snag, anarchyst
  161. AaronB 说:
    @Max Denken

    Sure, but there’s also some level of continuity, and Talmudism clearly is a continuation of certain strands on the Old Testament.

    在我看来,旧约犹太教最终达到了希腊人和印度人的智慧水平。一些先知、科赫莱特和其他智慧书籍超越了古老的犹太自我主义和唯物主义。

    Talmudism revived the pure egotistical strain and adapted it to the exile and it’s new challenges.

    犹太人是第一个废除活人祭祀的人吗?我认为,我们现在所拥有的《圣经》是在公元前八世纪或七世纪左右,即巴比伦流放之后编撰的。埃及人、琐罗亚斯德教徒、印度教徒、迈西拜人这么晚才实行活人祭祀吗?

    I’m not sure, but I don’t think so. But if they were, I’m happy to give them credit for it.

    And you’re right, many unpleasant and objectionable Jewish elements bled into Christianity – even the pernicious notion of a chosen people, a New Israel – and the protestants revived the Jewish strain in a serious way.

    西班牙对整个高级文明的消灭也非常符合犹太精神。

    不幸的是,我认为基督教受到了无可挽回的玷污,尽管我深深钦佩耶稣基督的原始信息,我认为这本质上是印度的智慧。

    伊斯兰教也有严重自私的一面,但苏菲派弥补了这一面,甚至主流伊斯兰教也有吸引人的特征。

    I’m certainly not suggesting egotism is to be found only in Judaism – far from it. Egotism is a human perennial, and creeps in everywhere. I merely think Judaism is the purest expression of egotism that the world has yet seen. But if Judaism vanished tomorrow, some philosophy just like it would have to arise. Pure egotism is one possible position in the spectrum of positions, and many people will always be found who will fill that niche.

    Just like the poor will always be with us, as Jesus said, so will egotism. It’s almost accidental that a people called “Jews ” are the ones filling that niche in actuality.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @Max Denken
    , @Art
  162. @Tyrion 2

    All those criticisms apply to Israel’s neighbours in the Middle East many times more.

    Did you miss these, or do you really believe that these criticisms apply to Israel’s neighbours in the Middle East many times more?

    … have a death grip on the media, on schooling, on our foreign and domestic policies, and on our government to say nothing of the dollars wrung out of the most bankrupt nation on Earth.

    你能说出什么吗?

    Man, I’m learning a lot of kool stuff that I heretofore never dreamed of! Damn, yer good!

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  163. iffen 说:
    @Max Denken

    从上面的文章中你可以推断出

    对评论家的这种信心是没有根据的。

    历史是复杂的。没有黑白之分。

    我住在阿拉巴马州,我们的历史已经有两百多年的历史了。

    BTW, excellent article. I don’t know what gets into R. Unz sometimes.

  164. @Max Denken

    历史是复杂的。没有黑白之分。老实处理,JQ区也是如此。

    也许您应该听取自己的建议。

    这里的大多数反希特勒言论只不过是过分的红色宣传,你必须知道这一点。

    你知道是谁资助了一个世纪前发生的所有废话吗?

    所有这些关于大屠杀的喋喋不休都让我烦恼不已,因为这些或其他的指责都没有触及问题的核心,即谁是这一切的幕后黑手。

    历史并不总是复杂的。没有黑白之分。诚实地对待它,并勇于提出问题和窥视幕后。

    History can be complex, but in this case it’s not as complex as it’s made out to be. Follow the Yellow Brick Road and peek behind the bushes along the way.

    为什么我的同胞们,为什么这里有男人或女人,让我说这里有孩子,谁不知道现代世界战争的种子是工商业竞争……还有一些国家走出去的原因他们认为德国会从中获得商业利益。 嫉妒的种子,深深的仇恨的种子是热烈的,成功的商业和工业竞争。
    这场战争从一开始就是一场商业和工业战争。 这不是一场政治战争。

    -伍德罗·威尔逊(Woodrow Wilson),5年1919月XNUMX日在密苏里州圣路易斯体育馆的演讲
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=117365

    有时,即使是一个腐朽的政客也会泄露秘密。正如丘吉尔所说,第二次世界大战既是不必要的,也是第一次世界大战的延伸。将点连接。

    • 回复: @Wally
  165. Seraphim 说:
    @Max Denken

    “And among the features of Judaism that have passed on to Christianity is that very fanaticism, going back to the third century and first codified in Nicea in 325 AD”.

    Es ist die Loslösung vom Denken (Undenken)。
    近似英文翻译:bullshitting。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  166. Mulegino1 说:
    @polskijoe

    我想说,确实有证据表明,英国皇家空军和盟军空军确实焚烧了数十万德国、法国和意大利平民。 他们从不隐瞒自己的意图,而是在新闻短片和他们自己的宣传出版物中公开吹嘘。 有大量德累斯顿燃烧的真实视频片段——更不用说广岛和长崎的原子弹爆炸了。

    此外,苏联的宣传——a la Ilya Ehrenburg——公开呼吁红军士兵杀死德国人。 平民和国防军成员之间几乎没有区别。 红军对德国妇女的大规模强奸同样有据可查。

    然而,德国受害者的数量很可能被夸大了。

    自由的法国将军 Juin 确实让摩洛哥军队自由统治,以强奸 Monte Cassino 周围村庄的妇女,这在意大利直到今天还没有被遗忘。 这是另一起被掩盖的盟军战争罪行,就像沉没威廉古斯特洛夫号、戈雅号和阿科纳角一样。

    On the other hand, there is no physical evidence that the Germans indiscriminately slaughtered Slavs and Jews and there is no authentic documentary foundation for this. The Germans even gave p.o.w. status to many of the members of the Polish Home Army captured after the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising. And one can judge for oneself whether the Polish p.o.w.’s at Dachau “liberated” by the US Army look mistreated or ill fed.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  167. @AaronB

    Kohelet

    How the heck did that make it into some versions of the bible? Was some editor drunk or something? It doesn’t seem to fit with most of the other stuff there, and though I’m no bible thumper, I re read it often. Love it! Fascinating stuff.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  168. Max Denken 说:
    @AaronB

    活人献祭是一个完全不同且非常有趣的主题。我不是专家,如果我是文化人类学博士,你无论如何也不能相信我,因为几乎没有哪个领域比这个领域更受文化马克思主义污染了。但我会根据对该主题的零星阅读来告诉你我的想法。

    你对圣经写作的时间跨度有点偏差;巴比伦流放是在公元前6世纪中叶,也就是他们开始编纂《塔木德》的时候;这些书籍已于公元前 1000 年至 700 年之前写成。但请记住,《创世记》和其他类似的书籍是口述历史的书写,其历史要古老得多,也许有 1500 到 1800 年前。因此,尽管我们没有证据证明它的真实性,但此类故事流传这么久的事实本身就证明它们包含了真相的核心。人们可以用同样的论证来肯定地宣称历史上的基督存在,即使我们没有历史的“证据”。福音书是根据口述历史写成的这一事实表明,口述传统的力量是如此之大,以至于它不可能是一种发明。

    至于活人祭祀在ME的实际历史中存在了多久,何时停止,我不知道,无需进一步研究。但我可以告诉你,圣经中的早期先知,即在巴比伦流放之前,充满了对非犹太人(一个实际的圣经词)的憎恶,因为他们的活人祭祀、巴力和伊什塔尔的崇拜等,并警告人们以色列人一次又一次地不要重蹈这些覆辙。对我来说这表明人类献祭已被禁止
    对于犹太人来说,早在这种做法在周围民族中停止之前就已经存在了。更不用说凯尔特人、维京人、原始斯拉夫人等等……

    • 回复: @AaronB
  169. Max Denken 说:
    @Seraphim

    你只是把垃圾放在你不喜欢的东西上。您引用的德语表明您可以阅读德语。阅读有关阿里乌派的内容,了解德国武士阶级如何全是阿里乌派,以及阿里乌派为何不复存在。一旦你消化了这一点,我就可以推荐进一步的学习主题。对于初学者,我可以推荐菲利普·约翰逊的英文版《基督教史》。并且保持高度的自尊——六翼天使??? ——检查中。

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  170. Dmitry 说:
    @German_reader

    Germany is contemporarily so nice and concessionary to both Jews and Polish. That the only thing left is for them to attack each other.

  171. Beckow 说:
    @iffen

    people are always saying Bolsheviks, commies, Soviets, etc. rather than …

    True, those damn Latvians…

    Today, finally clarity rules. No more euphemisms, it is the evil Russians all the way. I suppose, it is a kind of progress…

  172. Maryles’s article contains subjective assertions that could be challenged, but I’ll focus on just one that has the appearance of being more objective: “Except for the righteous gentiles among them, the Poles were perhaps the most eager participants of all nationalities in helping Nazis send Jews to the death camps of any other country. Just about every Polish Jew who survived the Holocaust–that I have ever spoken to–has made this claim.”

    Just about every Jew who survived the holocaust also made claims of seeing thousands of Jews killed in “gas chambers”. A claim that has since been proven false by independent investigators who found no evidence homicidal gas chambers existed at any of the work camps.

  173. Wally 说:
    @jacques sheete

    A rare, righteous Jew speaks:

    “修正主义的一般功能是向被战时谎言和宣传迷惑的公众带来历史真相。”

    现在,修正主义告诉我们,整个神话,从那时到现在,甚至对于希特勒和日本人,都是如此,从始至终都是谬论。 这场噩梦中的每一块木板要么完全不真实,要么不完全是真实。 如果人们应该学习有关希特勒德国的知识造假,那么他们将开始就同一个神话的当前第三次世界大战版本提出问题,并进行搜索。 在漫长的情感和陈词滥调之后,没有什么能阻止当前的全面战争更快地爆发,或者更确定地使人们再次开始对外交事务进行推理。

    因为相同的神话现在基于相同的旧谬误。 冷战战士越来越多地使用“慕尼黑神话”来体现这一点:不断重复的指控是,慕尼黑“侵略者”的“安抚”“喂养”了他的“侵略”(再次) ,傅满族或野兽的比较),这导致“侵略者”因征服而醉酒,发动了第二次世界大战。 慕尼黑神话一直被用作反对与共产党国家进行任何形式的理性谈判的主要论据之一,甚至被污蔑为最无害的寻求“安抚”协议。 正是由于这个原因,AJP泰勒的《第二次世界大战的辉煌起源》在《国家评论》的页面上可能受到了最歪曲和疯狂的评论。

    修正主义的任务一直是渗透到这些肤浅和表面之下,形成其下的鲜明现实,这些现实肯定在本世纪表明美国,英国和法国这三个伟大的“民主国家”要比任何一个国家都要糟。其他三个国家煽动和发动了侵略战争。 在当前情况下,实现这一真理将具有不可估量的重要性。

    对于修正主义,归根结底是建立在真理和理性的基础上的。 在任何战争狂潮中,真理和理性永远是第一位受害者。 因此,它们再次成为当今“市场”上极为罕见的商品。 修正主义使日常事件和日常宣传变得人为疯狂,这很酷,但归根到底是历史真理的光辉。 在当今世界几乎迫切需要这样的真理。”
    –默里·罗斯巴德(Murray Rothbard),《第二次世界大战的起源》回顾,1966年
    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  174. AaronB 说:
    @jacques sheete

    It might seem odd, but it’s because beliefs and opinions aren’t the main thing in Judaism, so you can play with a wide range of ideas. There is no “central message” you have to stick to. That same attitude permeates the Talmud.

    God chose Jews and made a deal with them – keep my laws, and you’ll get wealth and power. Beliefs aren’t central.

    It’s also why the Old Testament, while a national epic, doesn’t bother to make the Jewish people look good, which on the face of it would seem very odd. Jacob, the father of Jews, is a slinking, deceitful coward, taking advantage of his provider brother in his moment of weakness. King David, the national hero, is without magnanimity or a large heart, he is vengeful over petty slights, full of unbridled lust, and sneakily sends loyal officers to death to get at his wife.

    The message is – being bad won’t make you any less chosen. Jews often won’t be seriously bothered when you point out bad Jewish behavior. They may regret it if they’re good people, but it doesn’t seriously affect their status in their own eyes.

    God deprives Jews of wealth and power if they don’t keep his laws, that’s all.

    At the same time, there obviously were and are noble Jews who were of a different spirit, and such Jews grew more numerous towards the end of Old Testament times, and some of their works are the prophets and wisdom books. There were also interesting communities of Jewish holy men and ascetics at that time. Things were more complex back then, before Talmudism.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  175. @Wally

    As my comment notes —

    Germany and Poland both grant out that Jews German and Polish were targeted. I think you will have to take up your complaint with them.

  176. AaronB 说:
    @Max Denken

    I’m not entirely sure that’s sound methodology.

    当圣经最终被编成的时候,古书中的很多东西很可能被改变了,并且添加了许多冒充古老的新东西。换句话说,整个事件有很大的宣传成分。

    I believe it was Ezra who pretended to “discover” the books. Interestingly, it is said that when Ezra read out the new harsh covenant to the Jews, they wept bitter tears, suggesting this was new stuff for them.

    似乎完全有可能在以斯拉和他的抄写员进行汇编时,主要文明正在放弃活人祭祀。犹太人希望提升自己的形象,很可能假装拥有古籍,声称他们比其他人更早这样做。

    That would be consistent with a notable Jewish pattern – many Jews like to claim Aristotle and Plato got their ideas from Jews, for instance.

    优先考虑任何被认为优秀的事物是犹太人的一个根深蒂固的习惯,这与高度的自我中心主义是一致的。

    事实上,自我主义几乎保证了这一点。

    • 同意: jacques sheete
    • 回复: @Max Denken
  177. utu 说:

    I decided to rain little bit on this Polish parade. Just because of very unreflective and propagandistic nature of author’s article.

    波兰是德占欧洲唯一一个既没有合作政府的国家

    德国并没有真正努力在波兰招募卖国贼。这对波兰来说太糟糕了。如果波兰像法国一样幸运地拥有贝当元帅并拥有更多主权,那么波兰境内不必要的屠杀就会少得多。也许这对犹太人来说会更好。匈牙利等与德国合作的国家为犹太人的生存提供了更好的机会。只有当匈牙利决定救助德国时,德国才介入并开始驱逐犹太人。

    超过 400,000 万波兰人组成欧洲最大的地下军队与德国占领者作战

    你说的战斗是什么意思?除了毫无意义的华沙起义之外,就没有那么多战斗了?实际上有多少德国人被波兰地下组织杀害?华沙起义导致 200,000 万平民丧生。是的,德国人杀了他们,但如果没有波兰地下组织,这一切就不会发生。波兰地下组织将战争缩短了多少天?如果地下组织袖手旁观,只专注于执法和教育年轻人,而不是用徒劳的反对来激怒德国人,那么会有多少波兰人丧生?

    还有最大的流亡军队也在与希特勒作战:英国指挥下的 250,000 万人,

    How many of these soldiers were recruited from German POW’s in 1943 and 1944? Shouldn’t they be counted as contributors to German war effort while in Wehrmacht?

    1.4 万波兰人被从家园中拖走,被迫在德国工厂和田野里充当奴隶,这还不包括被迫这样做的 300,000 万军事囚犯。

    许多波兰人甚至犹太人自愿到德国工作,因为那里通常比波兰更安全,而且条件往往非常好。艾达·芬克和她的姐姐这样做是因为她觉得在那里更安全,因为德国人与波兰人不同,无法分辨出自己是犹太人。

    被德国人杀害的波兰人的数量并不像弗兰茨曼的文章所说的“至少1.9万”,而是2.77万,即几乎相当于被杀害的波兰犹太人的2.7至2.9人。

    这些数字非常值得怀疑。战争结束后,立即决定杀死 3,000,ooo 波兰犹太人,并在这个数字上加上 3,000,000 波兰人。那时没有人进行任何计数。在很大程度上,这是雅库布·伯曼的政治决定。还有一个问题是,乌克兰人、白俄罗斯人、立陶宛人和德国人等其他种族的波兰公民也经常被包含在这些数字中。同样的受害者会被计算两次或三次,因为他们包括在乌克兰、白俄罗斯等国家的索赔中。

    至少有五十万波兰公民在德国服役。其中许多人是德国人,但也有一大群西里西亚人和卡舒比亚人在波兰流亡政府的批准下签署了人民名单。随后,许多波兰公民死在东线以及与盟军作战的任何地方。他们也被算作德国占领的受害者吗?

    仅德国造成的波兰实际损失就达 850 亿美元至 1 万亿美元(按 2018 年美元计算)。

    Isn’t it kind of late for playing this kind of game? For whom Poland is playing this game? Is it possible that some Jewish Iago’s whispered this idea into Mr. Kaczynski’s ears? Is it possible that this is all about getting money to Israel and the world Jewry.

  178. snag 说:

    I have to add to that list of Jewish butchers above that Witold Pilecki one of the most respected and cherished Polish heros for fighting Germans and Soviets was murdered after the war by Julia Brystygier „Bloody Luna” the head of notorious Security Department. Henryk (Hersz) Podlaski the head prosecutor and Józef Rozanski (Goldberg) the head of Investigation Department all remembered for their sadism and cruelty.

  179. Art 说:
    @iffen

    iffen — Thanks much for your words to Tyrion 2 — he is a child. Peace — Art

  180. aandrews 说:
    @snag

    “集中注意力并尽量专注于主题……”

    LOL

  181. Dube [又名“基因多布里”] 说:
    @AndrewR

    Well then, Andy–was the nation/state of Poland complicit in the Holocaust, or not?

    • 回复: @utu
    , @AndrewR
  182. Seraphim 说:
    @Max Denken

    Are you sure that it is not PAUL Johnson’s “A History of Christianity” [‘First published in 1976, Paul Johnson’s exceptional study of Christianity has been loved and widely hailed for its intensive research, writing, and magnitude—“a tour de force, one of the most ambitious surveys of the history of Christianity ever attempted and perhaps the most radical” (New York Review of Books)]?

    “Johnson C. Philip (born 3 April 1954) is an Indian physicist and Christian theologian… one of the most prominent contemporary figures in the Indian Brethren movement and also in Christian apologetics and creationism”. Another evangelical bullshitter.

    May I recommend you (obviously an outsider) some serious studies about Christianity? Say, “The Cambridge History of Christianity”(9 vol.)?

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  183. utu 说:
    @Dube

    According to Jan Grabovski, yes. He claims that Poles are directly responsible for the death of 200,000 Jews. Does he have an evidence? I haven’t read the book.

    • 回复: @szopen
  184. Max Denken 说:
    @AaronB

    有趣的;我不知道。可能值得找到一本关于这方面的可靠书籍。约瑟夫·坎贝尔有什么东西吗?至于犹太-希腊的事情,它至少可以追溯到亚历山大时代,双方都充满仇恨……我认为这是看待我们文明的一个好方法,包括检查从犹太教继承的“坏”东西,例如,至少在我看来,《创世记》第 26 章关于对地球上所​​有生物和生长物的绝对统治权的内容——与原始欧洲人以自然为导向的泛神论如此不同——是埋葬“犹太基督教”这一概念,并将其称为“”欧洲-希腊-罗马-犹太-基督教”文明。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  185. Max Denken 说:
    @Seraphim

    我的错,匆忙。当然是保罗。他的书就在我面前。对于早期基督教的理性洞察,我也相信巴特·埃尔曼。

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  186. AndrewR 说:
    @Dube

    I don’t know, nor does the answer to your question have any relevance to whether one should be allowed to claim the Polish government helped kill Jews.

    • 回复: @Dube
  187. @Beckow

    I’m not fond of the British monarchy in any way but Prince Harry didn’t march in German uniform he simply donned one to attend a “bad taste” party along with likeminded youths who all wore costumes that they considered to be in poor taste. How and why did your version of that incident become so distorted?

  188. Max Denken 说:
    @utu

    你提出了很多观点,除了简单的观点之外,我不想再争论它们,就像我不想争论大屠杀否认者一样。人生苦短,写作漫长而艰难;我需要时间来处理后者,而不是争论。

    只要波兰有一个综合性研究所负责这方面的研究就足够了,它的工作人员都是有能力的历史学家,他们发表了对所有这些问题的深入研究,我认为它们具有权威性。更多这里: https://ipn.gov.pl/en。但我将简要介绍一下这些:

    1.我所说的战斗是指战斗。全国各地都有秘密组织,从事破坏、间谍活动、游击战等活动。顺便说一句,我的父亲,有一半犹太血统,曾在其中一个组织服役,在森林深处服役了三年,几乎从未出现过。

    2. 在波兰流亡政府(伦敦)领导下作战的士兵中没有一个是德国战俘。但许多人是前苏联战俘。斯大林迫于压力,放走了他们,他们经由伊朗、中东,到达北非和英国。

    3. 你关于“许多人”自愿到德国工作的说法是站不住脚的。但大约有 1.5 至 2 万人被从街上和家中抓走,并强制运往德国。事实上,德国向波兰支付的唯一赔偿就是这些奴隶的劳动。

    4. 我不知道你从哪里得到“五十万”这个数字,但现在没有时间研究,所以我就这样吧。但是,将德国民众的行为归咎于波兰就是在指责以色列,因为一些巴勒斯坦阿拉伯人、以色列公民炸毁了一辆载人的公共汽车。德国人民与德国占领者的合作是所有反对德国人的东欧国家的一个严重问题。许多最恶劣的纳粹屠夫,例如党卫军将军奥迪洛·格洛博尼克,都属于这一类。因此,对战后波兰和捷克斯洛伐克等国德裔少数民族待遇的抱怨通常被忽视。战争期间对这些少数族裔产生了很多仇恨,这是有充分理由的。

    • 回复: @utu
    , @jilles dykstra
    , @Wally
  189. AaronB 说:
    @Max Denken

    创世记 26 章中有关对地球上所​​有生物和生长物的绝对统治权的内容

    我绝对同意这很糟糕,我们应该摆脱它。异教徒对自然的感情是伟大的。

    西方文明似乎没有固定的形式。它实际上包含了所有可能的传统,包括亚洲的新柏拉图主义、皮利洪怀疑论、埃克哈特等思想家的传统,以及对自然的异教感情。

    过去500年的文化似乎已经结束了。我们可以尝试帮助创造取代西方文明的文化,而不是定义西方文明。

    也许犹太人的因素不可能完全消失,因为自我是人类的常生之物。但我们似乎有理由希望我们能够进入一个阶段,即重点转向对自然的异教热爱和更加精神化的希腊人,就像 500 年前它转向犹太人的自我一样。

    人们一度认为,与亚洲传统的接触将导致佛教在西方的传播。这似乎不太可能了,但也许我们与亚洲接触的真正遗产是重新关注我们自己传统中被忽视的元素、我们对自然的异教热爱和希腊精神遗产,而不是希腊理性主义。

    莱奥帕尔迪(Leopardi)我认为是这样的,他说,把他那个时代的文化视为希腊人和罗马人的延续,而是基本上是新的东西,这是错误的。在不久的将来将会出现的情况将与过去 500 年不同。

    Dreams of “revival”, I think, are only dreams.

    一旦新的综合体从当前的混乱中出现,无论新的综合体是什么,它都会自动产生信念,并且在目前看来是正确的。有了新的统一文化综合体,欧洲在处理穆斯林、移民和犹太人问题上将不再有问题。从新的自信立场出发,欧洲很可能选择保留这些社区,并保留有限的权利。从力量一致的角度来看,他们可能不再构成威胁。或者,欧洲可能会发现有必要驱逐他们。当时间到来时,答案似乎显而易见。

    但在具有新基础的新文化出现之前,腐朽的过程还需要一段时间。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  190. @German_reader

    The late historian Stephen Ambrose, a major booster of the “Greatest Generation,” once wrote that almost a third of American soldiers in World War II were “ethnically German.”

    I don’t think this is very often acknowledged.

  191. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    AaronB — do you have definition of Egotism — thanks — Art

    • 回复: @AaronB
  192. Beckow 说:

    he simply donned one to attend a “bad taste” party

    He would say so, wouldn’t he? You say it is distorted because some might not take Harry’s explanation at face value. (Although I said ‘even as a joke’, so we are not that far apart.)

    When an outsider looks at it, they just see Harry marching in a Nazi uniform. I am not sure what the difference is between ‘donning’ a uniform, and walking or marching in it. You are predisposed to believe an innocent explanations in this case, do you always do it? Or are some more believable than others?

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
  193. Max Denken 说:
    @AaronB

    回复:希腊人

    我当然可以重新欣赏形式、美感和审美品质。也许如果我们能把全球化(包括中国制造)抛在身后,把穿孔、纹身、留着塔利班胡子、都市型男、嘻哈、贱人、胖子、邋遢者、白人特权僵尸世代抛在身后,这样的东西就会出现。

    另:派狄亚。找出那些具有为人民谋福利的品质的人,从他们的婴儿时期就对他们进行培训,并只从他们中选举领导人。当演示在各方面都如此腐败时,民主事业就行不通了……

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  194. snag 说:
    @utu

    To get some credibility here you’re going to have to do little more than cut and paste holocaust museum crap especially personal recollections sprinkled with an imagination begging for pity.

    In holocaust museum Bielski Brothers are heroes but in reality they were a bunch of bandits, murderers and rapists. So much for credibility.

    Agree with Warsaw Uprising it was senseless and stupid the only ones who gained were the Soviets and jewish commies from Poland that took off to Soviet Union instead fight invading Germans.

    http://www.minelinks.com/war/bandits_1.html
    https://www.iwp.edu/news_publications/detail/prof-chodakiewicz-analyzes-the-koniuchy-massacre

    Once crook always crook.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/14/usa.secondworldwar

    Good article about Bielski Brothers.
    http://www.rp.pl/artykul/252550-Bielski-pomagal-Zydom--ale-tez-ich-wykorzystywal.html

    Same article in lousy google translation. When you see an empty space scroll down to continue
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.rp.pl/artykul/252550-Bielski-pomagal-Zydom--ale-tez-ich-wykorzystywal.html&prev=search

    祝你有个好的一天。

    • 回复: @utu
  195. utu 说:
    @Max Denken

    哇,你太平庸了。你真的相信这些废话。你一定很古老。他们不再让人们成为那样的人了。

    我所说的战斗是指战斗。

    真的吗?你爸爸开过几次枪?你父亲在这片森林里做了什么?他是如何采购食物的?农民喜欢给他们食物吗?

    但我的问题是波兰地下组织的活动使战争缩短了多少天?有多少平民因德国人的报复行动而遭受苦难?

    在波兰流亡政府(伦敦)领导下作战的士兵中没有一个是德国战俘。

    没有。 89,000 名前国防军士兵,占西方波兰士兵总数的 35.8%。

    了解你自己的历史。另一件事是,在你的母亲和父亲双方不断发出你的犹太基因信号是非常自命不凡的,就好像那个f一样。事情。但在你平庸的头脑中你认为确实如此。你是一个可悲的人。如果这是波兰能送上战壕的最好的东西,我认为波兰无法被拯救。

    • 回复: @szopen
  196. Seraphim 说:
    @Max Denken

    You would be much better if you consult scholarly studies. You will learn more about the ‘Saxon massacres’ than from the pseudo-Germanic-pagan-‘white’ neo-nazi myths.
    而且,非常重要的是,请查阅传统基督徒撰写的第一份研究报告。巴特·埃尔曼(Bart Ehrman)之流都是胡说八道(顺便说一句,就像保罗·约翰逊)。

  197. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    Self-interest.

    Some amount of ego is necessary for survival. You wouldn’t take another bite of food if you had no ego, or take shelter from a storm.

    But outside a relatively narrow band, ego becomes a source of strife with others, and unhappiness for yourself.

    Dominating others, gathering vast wealth, thinking oneself superior – these are just exaggerated forms of self-seeking.

    Our human values of good and bad are not laws of the universe, but relative to our biological need to survive.

    However, these values are a burden, and a source of anxiety. To look at everything in the world in terms of good or bad, in other words, beneficial or harmful to our biological survival, imposes a terrible cost.

    Humans also experience the need to be released from the urgency of value judgements and see the world sub specie aeternitas, from the perspective of God, from which height, our human concerns seem petty. This is spirituality. Realesed from the burden of anxiety for survival, the world becomes a playground, and you savor what is in the world, rather than evaluate their uses. Released for a while from the seriousness of biological survival, you can appreciate the strangeness and mystery of the world. Progress – relating as it does our biological values – seems pointless, as you lack nothing, since biological needs no longer press urgently. You are fulfilled. The world, and everything in it, hardly seems so serious anymore.

    While more fulfilling than any other experience, spirituality cannot be maintained constantly, as you couldn’t survive that way. But such moments of release can be frequent, and they can color your everyday attitude and make you partially detached as you go about trying to survive and reproduce.

    But detachment is the essence of spirituality.

    The Jews have adopted a perspective from which human biological needs are final, total, and absolute. They project our petty biological needs onto the cosmos itself. In such a system, there can be no rest, peace, joy, or beauty. Anxiety and care predominate, and hide the wonder of the world.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @Art
  198. @Max Denken

    ” Hence the usually-neglected aspect of the complaints about the post-war treatment of the German minority in countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia. Much hate had been built toward those minorities during the war, and there were good reasons. ”

    很好的理由。
    我想你不会读法语,否则你可以看到波兰选择不保持中立,期望通过挑起战争来变得更大,要么立即,希特勒政府将在袭击波兰后几天内崩溃,要么在战争。
    预计波兰军队将在 1939 年 XNUMX 月将柏林纳入波兰。
    因此,波兰发起了挑衅,例如波兰海军向在柏林和柯尼斯堡之间飞行的德国客机开火。

    西蒙·纽曼(Simon Newman),《 1939年1976月,英国对波兰的担保,英国外交政策连续性研究》,XNUMX年,牛津

    尚·尚贝克(Come Jean Szembek),波隆大学校长,1933年– 1939年,《日记》,1952年巴黎

    赫尔姆特·费希纳(Hellmuth Fechner),“德国和波兰,1772-1945年”,1964年维尔茨堡

    冯·里本特洛普(A. von Ribbentrop),《德国英语词典》,1938年至1939年的布里希切大教堂,图宾根,1967年

    伦纳德·莫斯利(Leonard Mosley),“帝国马歇尔(The Reich Marshall),赫尔曼·戈林(Hermann Goering)传记”,伦敦,1974年

    你现在当然会回答说,冯·里宾特洛甫的遗孀不值得信任。
    唉,她写的和上面提到的书是一致的。

  199. @utu

    The Warsaw uprising was not senseless at all, in my opinion.
    I think it is comparable to De Gaulle marching into Paris at the head of troops after the 1944 invasion.
    To be liberated often is no liberation at all, how does one liberate itself of the liberators ?
    The biggest USA military base overseas is in Germany.

  200. @Mulegino1

    ” This is another Allied war crime that has been glossed over, just like the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff, ”

    Alas not so simple as it seems
    Cajus Bekker, 'Flucht übers Meer, Ostsee Deutsches Schicksal 1945', 1964, 1999, 奥格斯堡

  201. @anarchyst

    Indeed, even Elie Wiesel writes that he could have stayed, with his father
    埃利·维塞尔(Elie Wiesel),《 La Nuit》,1958年,2007年
    His father was in hospital.

  202. @Wally

    泰勒
    Indeed, when one reads detailed accounts of the attack on Poland, the occupation of Denmark and Norway, the attack and occupation of the Netherlands, Belgium, and France, one sees that Germany was not at all prepared for war.
    The Blitz krieg was necessity, Germany was unable to wage a long war, as we see how the attack on Russia petered out.
    Hitler’s big mistake was to swallow the bait of the Polish provocations.
    Von Ribbentrop had assured him that GB and France would do nothing, as indeed they did, for a long time.
    The attack and occupation of France was a desperate attempt to force GB to make peace.
    The attack on Russia also was the consequence of having attacked and divided Poland, no longer a buffer state between Germany and the USSR, as Molotov made abundantly clear during his visit to Berlin.
    Molotov indicated that Hitler now was at the mercy of Stalin.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  203. @snag

    In any case Germany did not have rubber.
    As to oil, not for nothing in the Russian campaign the Russian oil fields were an objective.
    Even one of the two ‘standard’ holocaust studies admits, the mentioned one just on page 300 or so, that Auschwitz was a big industrial centre.
    Elie Wiesel worked in a big storage facility for electrical parts, as he himself writes.

    劳尔·希尔伯格(Raul Hilberg),《欧洲犹太人的毁灭》,学生版,提内克,1985年

    • 回复: @snag
  204. szopen 说:
    @Wally

    Fucking liar. That’s why I don’t discuss with people from CODOH.

    “‘I’ve identified a number of buried pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 metres.’”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087735/British-archaeologist-discovers-fresh-evidence-mass-graves-World-War-Two-death-camp-Treblinka.html

    (lying even that “we don’t know whether those buried ied of natural causes” for the one grave (not “mass grave”), when in one case there is a clear gunshot wound in the base of the skull)

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  205. @jacques sheete

    You do not seem to realise that I’m an old Dutchman, born in WWII.
    The anti jewish measures in Germany were duplicated in the Netherlands after the German occupation began.
    I of course did not personally witness those measures, but there is abundant literature, consistent with what my parents and other relatives told me, based on their experience.
    Last month, Februari, our Februari 1941, strike against the persecution of the jews, was officially remembered.
    Not for nothing a jewish colleague of my father, also a college professor, committed suicide with his whole family shortly after the German occupation had begun.
    Not for nothing my father left his job, and my parents their house, my mother with me, to go underground, after my father was ordered to march with his students to the German Kulturkammer.

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Februaristaking

  206. szopen 说:
    @Lex

    Link please. To a primary source.

    • 回复: @Lex
  207. @snag

    There indeed seems to have been jewish cooperation with the Red Army.
    There also was Russian cooperation with the German army.
    历史从来都不是简单的。

    • 回复: @snag
  208. szopen 说:
    @utu

    He doesn’t. He uses estimates: he estimates that such and such number of Jews lived in ghettoes and at least such and such percentage escaped, and because only such and such number survived, it means the rest had to die from the Polish hands “directly or indirectly”.

    Also, in order not to write too many replies:

    Apart form the senseless Warsaw Uprising there was not that much fighting?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Pi%C5%84cz%C3%B3w

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27th_Home_Army_Infantry_Division_(Poland)
    And the rest of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tempest

    My grandfather fought in operation “Ostra Brama”. I’ve learned about that only after his death so I do not know the details 🙁 except that he was then forced to join LWP.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @utu
  209. @polskijoe

    英国历史学家查姆利说 XNUMX 万
    约翰·查姆利(John Charmley),《罗斯福帝国的下层帝国》,罗斯福–丘吉尔和美利坚合众国,《格拉茨》,2005年,格拉茨

    我在 1945 年之后增加了 XNUMX 万人的死亡人数,平民在苦难中,在一个被摧毁的国家,他们的饮食比德国人给集中营囚犯的卡路里少。

    I further add one million POW’s murdered by hunger and exposure by Eisenhower and De Gaulle

    James Bacque, 'Der geplante Tod, Deutsche Kriegsgefangene in amerikanischen und französischen Lagern 1945 – 1946, 法兰克福/M, 1989, 1994 (其他损失, 多伦多, 1989

    Charles A. Lindbergh,“Charles A. Lindbergh 战时期刊”,纽约,1970 年
    林德伯格在一个露天营地拜访了一名垂死的战俘,他是为 V3 开发火箭发动机的专家,打算到达美国。

    保罗·邦纳卡雷尔(PaulBonnecarrère),“同乐会”,印度拉贡区(Legionétrangèreen Indochine),巴黎,1968年,2006年
    German POW’s could escape dying of hunger in French camps by joining the French Foreign Legion, often then dying in Indochina.

    Heinz Leiwig,“Deutschland Stunde Null,Historische Luftaufnahmen 1945”,斯图加特 2005
    Airial pictures of a destroyed country, you can also see the open air prison camps where the POW’s perished.
    It is even asserted that nearly dead POW’s were bulldozed into death by suffocation.

  210. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    说过:
    ‘I need time for writing, not for arguing.’

    你写的不可能是犹太复国主义的废话,可笑且容易被揭穿。
    你现在明智地回避辩论,之前你被压垮了。
    正如我和其他人所证明的那样,您没有证据证明您的犹太复国主义/左派宣传。
    You recite it, but can’t back it up.
    Posts in this thread and then a previous one: https://www.unz.com/freed/the-future-of-the-jews/
    揭露你们幼稚的犹太复国主义主张的欺诈性。

    像你这样的人写的越多,他们的骗局就变得越糟糕。

    修正主义者只是使者,可笑的“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬不可能是信息。
    在此轻松,彻底地揭穿“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

  211. @snag

    I know that Gross’ book is hotly contested in Poland.
    However, Polish hatred of jews one can also read in other sources, such as Bogdan Musial.
    Even in 1967 Poland made it possible for jews to leave Poland, Gross was one of them.
    In how far the book by Gross is true, I cannot judge.

    That there were anti jewish sentiments all over E Europe, little doubt about it.
    Solsjenytsyn describes and explains them for tsarist Russia.
    On who was morally right, one can debate long.

    A major cause of Russian popular hatred against jews was how they ruthlessly came into possession of land an houses of just liberated serfs, who had no idea about money, drank far to much in inns exploited by jews, then accumulated debt they could not repay.
    Government hatred of jews was caused by their resistance to assimilation, trying to evade taxes, and dodging conscription.

    As jews were literate, revolutionary ideas could be spread an developed, hardly possible with the illiterate Russian peasants.

    • 回复: @snag
  212. Sam J. 说:

    I would not call out the Poles for being responsible for the labor camps but I would fault them for the sorry state of the Auschwitz swimming pool . How can such a structure be neglected at this historic spot. Shame on them.

    The Jews should force the Palestinians to repair it.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  213. Tyrion 2 说:
    @jacques sheete

    No, I ignored those. Your paranoid schizophrenia makes me feel awkward.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  214. szopen 说:
    @utu

    And how many civilians suffered because of German reprisals caused by this activity?

    Sometimes there was partisan activity because of civilian suffering, like in partisan war in Zamojskie area:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamo%C5%9B%C4%87_uprising

    BTW, you can see in this article about Poles who “volunteered” to work in Germany.

    Heck, even my grandfather “volunteered” to work in Germany, after he was captured in some street action.

    There is also question of Polish intelligence, reports on V2 for example (one missile was even transferred to UK) which helped bombing the Penemunde and such a like. I guess taht shortened war just a bit.

    • 回复: @Wally
  215. Lex 说:
    @szopen

    His conversation with Grzegorz Braun in RingTV, you can also look up his interview for Rzeczpospolita from 2008.


    http://www.rp.pl/artykul/115412.html

    Słyszałem również i taką odpowiedź, że to mienie znacjonalizowali Niemcy, a Polska je od nich przejęła. Jestem konstytucjonalistą i profesorem nauk politycznych. Wiem, że z formalnego punktu widzenia taka odpowiedź ma ogromną wartość. Ale z moralnego punktu widzenia wartość takiej zimnej odpowiedzi jest ujemna. Takie argumenty są obraźliwe.

    • 回复: @Lex
  216. @AaronB

    God chose Jews and made a deal with them – keep my laws, and you’ll get wealth and power. Beliefs aren’t central.

    God deprives Jews of wealth and power if they don’t keep his laws, that’s all.

    Interesting. I’ve long ago deduced that, yet I’ve never heard anyone else put things that way. I also find it interesting that those deals don’t apply to Jews only; similar wisdom can be found in other ancient cultures too.

    Jews often won’t be seriously bothered when you point out bad Jewish behavior.

    I know and work with a lot of what I consider “good” Jews, and as you say, they don’t seem to get bothered by that. In fact, they seem to think it a compliment. They can’t suppress a knowing smile, then they clam up.

    感谢您的分享。

  217. Moi 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    No mention of the 2 million or so who are incarcerated in the concentration camp called Gaza.

  218. @Max Denken

    也许如果我们能把全球化(包括中国制造)抛在身后,把穿孔、纹身、留着塔利班胡子、都市型男、嘻哈、贱人、胖子、邋遢者、白人特权僵尸世代抛在身后,这样的东西就会出现。

    For what it’s worth, you and I share common ground here.

    另:派狄亚。找出那些具有为人民谋福利的品质的人,从他们的婴儿时期就对他们进行培训,并只从他们中选举领导人。当演示在各方面都如此腐败时,民主事业就行不通了……

    Never happen. Sounds like some form of Socratic ideal and we all know what happened to him and why. Train them according to whose values? Democracy does not exist, never really did, and cannot exist except among very small groups with homogenous values. Even the “gold standard,” Athenian democracy, was pretty much a farce since more than 2/3 of the population were women, children and slaves who were ineligible to cast ballots. Even then it didn’t last long and was contentious.

    What Western “civilization” has lived with for millennia are various forms of klepto-plutocracies, not democracies or even true aristocracies.

    在我看来,主要的谬误在于希望有某种理想的形式 排除, and that’s a futile endeavor partly because humans do not exist to be 被统治,因为没有人适合统治别人。

    以赛亚书 9 16 ----因为人民的领袖使他们犯了错误:被他们带领的人被吞噬了。 ----

    何西阿书 8:4:“他们立王,却不按我; 他们立了王子,我却不承认他们。”

    然后我们有《撒母耳记上》第 1 章,里面充满了精彩的内容,但太长了,无法在这里添加:

    样本。:

    11 他说:“这就是统治你们的王所享有的权利:

    他接着列出了统治者总是会发生的事情。此外,聪明人厌恶强制,这就是为什么领导犹太人就像领导猫一样,也是为什么存在如此多的邪教和亚邪教的原因。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  219. Moi 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Given all the lies Israel and its supporters say about the Palestinians, it’s hard to believe the official Holocaust history written largely by Jewish historians.

    • 同意: jacques sheete
  220. @AaronB

    The world, and everything in it, hardly seems so serious anymore.

    非常真实。

    Such a realization also tends to release one from the pursuit of excess money and it amazes me that so many intelligent people, goyim and Jew, don’t seem to understand that.

    I’m going to copy Rabelais…except I won’t have a headstone.

    Tirez le rideau, la farce est jouée.

  221. @Tyrion 2

    No, I ignored those. Your paranoid schizophrenia makes me feel awkward.

    Maybe, but more likely you’ve been shown to be FoS.

    Paranoid schizophrenia? MOI?

    Didn’t yer mother ( I trust you had one), teach you not to make fun of crazy people, especially ignorant low IQ ones such as 莫伊?

    Now go troll somewhere else; you’re not even witty or entertaining. The Mave, Sam 207 was 许多 更好。

    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  222. Lex 说:
    @Lex

    I should’t have used “at least”.

    http://m.se.pl/wiadomosci/polska/polski-nie-stac-na-odszkodowania_60533.html

    Wartość tego mienia jest szacowana na ok. 50-60 mld dolarów.

    http://www.michalkiewicz.pl/tekst.php?tekst=1917

    Wartość tej operacji sam ambasador Szewach Weiss ocenił na 65 miliardów dolarów

  223. @jilles dykstra

    ….one sees that Germany was not at all prepared for war.

    Of course it wasn’t, and it never desired it. It was railroaded into a conflict due to the “diplomatic” maneuvering of the Brits who were master imperialists. As wicked and treacherous as those bastards, were, one has to stand in awe of their cunning and mastery of gamesmanship.

    Ever since German unification, the Germans were doomed because the other empires were not about to suffer any competition. Why would they want war when they were already up against the 3 or 4 largest and bloodiest empires known to man? They simply were not that stupid.

    The Brits would have done anything to keep Germany and Russia from linking up and one sees similar motives in play today.

    From the perspective of the money bag crowd, Germany has to be controlled and can never be allowed to form useful relationships with Russia.

    That, plus the fact that there’s big money in war, is key to understanding the history of the 20th century.

    [Lloyd George] said, “ The truth is that we have got our way. We have got most of the things we set out to get. If you had told the British people twelve months ago that they would have secured what they have, they would have laughed you to scorn. The German Navy has been handed over; the German mercantile shipping has been handed over, and the German colonies have been given up. One of our chief trade competitors has been most seriously crippled 我们的 Allies are about to become 这里 最大 债权人. 这是不小的成就。 此外,我们还摧毁了对我们印第安人财产的威胁。”

    -David Lloyd George, as quoted in LORD RIDDELL’S INTIMATE DIARY OF THE PEACE CONFERENCE AND AFTER , 1918—1923, p 42 (diary entry of (30 March 1919).

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.189747/2015.189747.Lord-Riddells-Intimate-Diary-Of-The-Peace-Conference-And-After_djvu.txt

    The bankers rule. It was essentially a banker generated conflict. The rest is mere detail and serves mainly to obfuscate the real issues.

  224. wayfarer 说:

    A ration of “social justice” from the depths of humanity’s hell, and some false demigod’s plan for a greater self-serving Israel.

    来源: https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    ...

  225. @jacques sheete

    • 巨魔:提利昂 2

    Please, kind sir, this is the third time I’m telling you how sensitive I am. I get really hurt especially when people like you , who are so near and dear to me, are so mean!

    Have you no compassion for victims such as myself?

    I’m crushed. Terribly so.

    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
  226. Miro23 说:
    @polskijoe

    波兰人必须明白,美国会选择以色列和犹太人而不是波兰人。

    许多波兰将军都知道美国不会提供帮助。

    这一点很清楚,所以现实点,波兰需要移除北约导弹基地。 波兰不会从美国那里得到任何东西,因此至少可以通过停止与美国合作从波兰领土威胁俄罗斯来降低风险。

  227. Mulegino1 说:
    @Max Denken

    Neither the religion we know as “Judaism” nor such a people as “Jews” existed in the time of Abraham and Isaac, and the term “Jews” and “Judaism” cannot be anything but anachronisms when referring to the religion practiced by the Israelites and the Judeans, i.e., the Mosaic covenant or the worship practiced by the Patriarchs and the Prophets.

    犹太教/拉宾主义/塔木德主义,就其目前的形式而言,比基督教晚了几个世纪,是犹太教中一个特定教派(即法利赛人)的产物。

    Christ was a Judean (Iudeos) and not a Jew in the commonly understood contemporary sense. “Judaism” is a radical departure from the religion practiced in the Levant and among the diaspora of the time of Christ. “Judean” was an inhabitant of Judea who considered the true worship to be conducted at the Temple at Jerusalem, as contrasted with the Samaritans who believed that the authentic Temple was on Mt. Gerizim.

    当代犹太教认为巴比伦塔木德是其权威文本,而不是托拉或著作。而且,还是母系的。这些都与旧约传统截然相反,旧约传统认为摩西五经或摩西/托拉的前五本书具有权威性,并且毫无疑问是父系的。卡拉派、撒玛利亚人和法拉沙人都是父系社会,只接受托拉作为权威,因此更真实地反映了这一传统。

    The oldest extant version of the Old Testament is the Greek Septuagint which was translated from ancient Paleo-Hebrew texts in the fourth century B.C., and was the one most quoted by Christ and the Apostles as per the most ancient manuscripts of the New Testament. This version predates the Massoretic translations- which were not even written in Paleo-Hebrew – by approximately 1400 years. The Massoretic texts have been deliberately falsified in places in order to detract from Christ’s fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies.

  228. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Even in 2012, Sturdy-Colls’ tentative conclusions were rash, but she has found nothing since to warrant her triumphalism. And let’s not forget her famous egg-on-face moment.

    https://revblog.codoh.com/2012/01/comment-sturdy-colls/

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=11121

    http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

    BTW, it appears to be a myth that Jewish religious law proscribes disturbance of burial sites. But even so, why should this be an impediment to a proper forensic investigation?

  229. wayfarer 说:

    Abrahamism in its 2700 year entirety, can be distilled to a single pearl of wisdom, “forgiveness!”

    来源: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

  230. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    说过:
    “There is also question of Polish intelligence, reports on V2 for example (one missile was even transferred to UK) which helped bombing the Penemunde and such a like. I guess taht shortened war just a bit.”

    Please show us these “Polish intelligence reports” that you claim, rather than just make things up.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @szopen
  231. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    严重地?可笑的犹太复国主义者控制了维基百科?

    令人惊讶的是,为什么有人会引用Wikipedia作为犹太人特别有兴趣推广的任何事物的参考。 这就像让狼守护鸡舍。

    犹太复国主义维基百科编辑课程
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @szopen
  232. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    What and where Wiesel said he did it doesn’t matter it matters how he survived? Many of those survivors are alive because they were snitching. Hillberg had more important priorities than waste his time to verify Wiesel’s version. At the time Hilberg’s was working on his book Wiesel was nobody, that may explain this error.

    Since you mentioned Raul Hilberg and ‘The destruction of the European Jews’ why did it take them so long to translate and publish in English in America and why did the butchered by censors version was printed in Israel by State University not by outside publisher and only after his death?

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Wally
  233. @Wally

    Indeed Poles gave GB the remains of a crashed V2, a DC2 in a hazardous operation picked up the remains in territory still occupied by Germans.
    The bombing of Peenemünde in no way shortened the war, it in fact did little damage.
    The building housing the electricity generating machinery, huge, exists to this day.
    Electricity was needed to produce the liquid oxygen that propelled, together with alcohol from potatoes, the V2.
    The bombing did kill several hundred foreign workers.
    The V1 and V2 were produced deep underground at Buchenwald Dora.

  234. @snag

    Hillberg’s book is nonsensical, in my opinion.
    Wiesel is interesting as he never saw gas chambers, just assumed they were there, and confirms the self management of the camps, indirectly, the management is described as well fed, also the cause of death of those not belonging to that management, estimated by Rassinier at 75%.

    • 回复: @snag
  235. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    What are you trying to pull? Looking at their conduct it was a stab in the back, they’re born traitors, they did that to every nation in Europe starting in Iberia during Moorish conquest. There’s no accident that they’re hated and chased away every time after the settled among others. Many nations they stabbed multiple times because of this Christian thing ‘turn the other cheek’ or forgive and forget.
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/lazare-anti.asp

  236. @Sam J.

    小。
    But indeed, Rassinier writes that just the members of the inmate camp management went swimming, or went to cinema or theatre.
    The underfed 75 % who worked were too tired, or ill, to do anything on their day off.

  237. Wally 说:
    @snag

    Wiesel “survived” because there was no policy to exterminate Jews. Obviously.

    当我们声称“德国人试图杀死他们可能会抓住的每一个犹太人”时,我们拥有这么多“幸存者”的事实就吹走了骗局。

    “有些故事是真实的,从未发生过。”
    –埃利·威塞尔(Elie Wiesel)

    http://www.codoh.com

  238. szopen 说:
    @Wally

    Says someone which from dozen of fotos picked the one least resembling human bones, instead of for example this one http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/cortagravatas/media/bWVkaWFJZDo2NzkwODEyOQ==/?ref=

    But, I am quite used to such things with discussion with guys from CODOH.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Wally
  239. @jilles dykstra

    You do not seem to realise that I’m an old Dutchman, born in WWII.

    You do not seem to realize that some Jews declared war on Germany before in 1933. You also seem not to realize that Jews were a significant part of the Bolshie push for worldwide permanent revolution, or that Germany was viewed as significant competition by the largest empires of the time.

    Furthermore you do not seem to realize how war propaganda works nor do you seem to realize that WW2 was 不能 fought for the benefit of the masses of Jews, nor do you realize that Jews and Zionists collaborated with Nazis.

    You seem not to realize that virtually everyone suffered during wartime, and that many Jews did well for a long time under Hitler.

    You seem not to realize that establishment versions of “history” are mostly bogus.

    You seem not to realize that due to the exaggerations and lies, that the credibility of “survivors” is almost zero, or worse. You also seem not to realize that my concern for the suffering of Jews is about on a par with their concern for the suffering of Christians of the time and their level of concern for the suffering of the Palestinians at Zionist hands today.

    There are plenty of things that, despite your experience and reading, you don’t realize, and I realize that you ‘ll never realize that.

    P.S.:: Thanks for reminding me about Morel. I’m reading his excellent “Truth and the War.”

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  240. bookish1 说:

    The whole issue could be settle in a nutshell if these simple facts are understood: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  241. @jilles dykstra

    Not for nothing a jewish colleague of my father, also a college professor, committed suicide with his whole family shortly after the German occupation had begun.

    You can blame that on the Bolshies and their financial backers. If they hadn’t been raising murderous Hell for a long time, the Nazi movement would have never come into existence.

    You can also blame that on the fact that Jews declared war on Germany when it was already suffering as a result of the Versailles rip off and the Great Depression.

    Reed makes the case that the Nazis were primarily anti-Commie. The Zionists and the Reds morphed that into “anti-Semitism.”

    Like that Zio-crazies often tell me, “quit whining, that’s war.”

    • 回复: @L.K
  242. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Polish hatred? Are you trying to impute that this hate affected exclusively Poles? Show me one nation that love them or ever did and was happy to have them for a neighbor. Give me a one good reason why Poles or anyone where they settled love them. They were and are (looking at Palestine) evil not revolutionary and in regard to education and jewish minority I don’t know how was in other countries but prior to WWII 3/4 jews in Poland couldn’t communicate in native language and 9 out of 10 in writing.

    “Government hatred of jews was caused by their resistance to assimilation, trying to evade taxes, and dodging conscription” … and rightly so if you come uninvited under someone’s roof assimilate, blend in and contribute like the rest of them instead re-arranging his furniture and impose your customs* and parasitic lifestyle.

    *Kosher slaughtering, kosher nostra on almost every food product in US

    This crap comes with them everywhere they show up.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/nyregion/in-westhampton-beach-a-ritual-jewish-boundary-stirs-real-town-divisions.html

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  243. Max Denken 说:
    @jacques sheete

    @雅克床单

    雅典民主:你嘲笑它是一个弱点,但我们的民主实验被证明是一个明智的先见之明。在我们普遍的“民主”下,大量的下层阶级只是把别人的钱投票给自己,女性投票给她们的荷尔蒙主导的地方(*),“移民”投票给他们所移民的国家的利益,重罪犯投票给特里·麦考利夫,而死票民主党。这就是闹剧。另外,在一个如此庞大、传播如此广泛的社会中,媒体有能力推销并选举媒体预先选定的领导人。

    犹太人就像猫:很久以前,我认识的一个以色列人给我讲了一个笑话,

    戴高乐和本·古里安正在讨论各自岗位所面临的挑战。戴高乐说:“你认为领导一个有400种奶酪的国家容易吗?”对此,本·古里安 (Ben Gurion) 表示:“努力领导一个拥有 2 万总理的国家。”

    (*) 我知道,我知道,这样说会引发一场比“Joo-done-it”、“Holocaust-is-a-fib”对话者一直试图挑起的风暴更大的风暴;但如果我下定决心,我会详细写下来。

  244. @szopen

    你不会被要求证明,在一场前后有大规模人口迁移的重大战争过程中,人们死亡、被埋葬等。没有人否认你可以在整个东欧找到此类事情的证据。官方叙述称,在特雷布林卡(举一个例子),有 700-900 万人被毒气杀害、埋葬、挖出并在露天柴堆上焚烧。对于这一具体主张,几乎没有或根本没有证据(Sturdy-Colls 的工作甚至根本不支持这种主张)。你可以随心所欲地谈论 codoh,但你至少应该尝试理解向你提出的问题。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
    , @Max Denken
    , @szopen
  245. snag 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Read my post again – I’m not the one that came up with that term or talking about faith.

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
  246. @Max Denken

    … women vote where their hormones lead…

    Speaking of women, voting and democracy, here’re some quotes that are entertaining because they’re so true.

    盲人和聋哑人,但她了解这种骗局。 记下日期。

    “我们的民主不过是一个名字。 我们投票吗? 这意味着什么? 这意味着我们在两个真正的专制主义者之间进行了选择,尽管它们不是公开的。 我们在Tweedledum和Tweedledee之间进行选择。…“
    -海伦·凯勒(Helen Keller),
    这封信发表在曼彻斯特广告商(3年1911月1980日)上,并在《美国人民历史》(345年)第XNUMX页中引用。

    “占统治地位的政党不是仅由少数人的利益和特权来由统治阶级(即财产阶级)管理的吗?
    他们利用我们数以百万计的力量来帮助他们掌权。 他们像很多孩子一样告诉我们,我们的安全在于为他们投票。 他们抛给我们些许让步,使我们相信他们在为我们的利益而努力。 ”
    -海伦·凯勒(Helen Keller),昏暗欲写给英国妇女的信手抄写员*版权所有,1907年 http://archive.org/stream/outdarkessaysle01kellgoog/outdarkessaysle01kellgoog_djvu.txt

    我们选择昂贵的大师为我们做我们的工作,然后责怪他们,因为他们为自己和他们的阶级工作。

    -海伦·凯勒,《走出黑暗》,致英国妇女参政论者的信* 版权所有,1907
    http://archive.org/stream/outdarkessaysle01kellgoog/outdarkessaysle01kellgoog_djvu.txt

  247. 去年,犹太复国主义者尝试了类似的转变,当时以色列总统本杰明·内坦雅胡宣布巴勒斯坦阿拉伯人应对大屠杀负责,因为大穆夫提据称说服希特勒杀死所有犹太人,而希特勒只是想将他们踢出欧洲。去巴勒斯坦。

  248. @Max Denken

    Why vote. Note where politicians originate! 😉

    地磁
    幸福、财富、权力; 今天你一无所有,明天你就会拥有一切,哦! 快乐雅典的首领。

    香肠卖家
    为什么不让我洗牛肚、卖香肠,而不是捉弄我呢?
    地磁
    你将成为他们的主人,市场、港口、普尼克斯的统治者; 你可以践踏元老院,可以罢免将军,给他们戴上脚镣,把他们投入监狱,你可以在普里坦尼姆通奸。

    ——阿里斯托芬,骑士团,公元前 454 年
    http://classics.mit.edu/Aristophanes/knights.html

  249. snag 说:
    @AaronB

    “This attitude can help explain a lot of what’s going on today. It isn’t enough for Jews to have an ethno-state, it has to be that no one else has one. It isn’t enough for Jews to have a Holocaust, no one else can have suffered”

    There’re over 70 million of ethnic Germans in US, 56 million of ethnic Irish, 17 million ethnic Italians, 12 million ethnic Poles, you don’t even know that they exist except once a year during October Festivities or St. Patrick, Columbus and Pulaski days, for the rest of the year they blend in and are an Americans ,…

    Other ethnic and religious minorities in US they all mingle, follow their heart, intermarry and no one is making a fuss about it except the Jews. Their self absorbance and egocentric philosophy is like leprosy that can’t be cured.

    Take a look at Jewish multi-culti and inclusiveness activist’s spouse’s, no multi-culti or inclusiveness there, no sir ,…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  250. Max Denken 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    在这里阅读一个亲手完成这件事的人的回忆录:

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  251. Max Denken 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    PS
    加上特雷布林卡的详细说明是如何完成的。正如我在其他地方所写的那样,您不懂波兰语这一事实并不能成为您不必要地倡导错误、有害观点的借口。

    http://www.treblinka-muzeum.eu/index.php/historia/oboz-zaglady/palenie-zwlok

    再次提醒您,这不是来自“犹太人”,而是来自波兰人,正如我上面的文字所表明的那样,这两个民族之间并没有失去爱。如果您想提出相反的观点,请与研究了有关特雷布林卡的事实并将其发布在本网站上的波兰人争论,按主题组织(左栏)。

  252. renfro 说:
    @szopen

    Evidently you haven’t really done through research….Jews in Poland and many other countries left for other countries all during the war.

    Full text of “Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its activities during the second world war (September 1, 1939 – June 30, 1947), Volumes 1 – 3 (complete)”

    https://archive.org/stream/ReportOfTheInternationalCommitteeOfTheRedCrossOnItsActivitiesDuring/ReportOfTheInternationalCommitteeOfTheRedCrossOnItsActivitiesDuringTheSecondWorldWarseptember11939-June301947Vol1_djvu.txt

    “‘The Committee’s delegates were able to visit the camp at Theresienstadt (Terezin) which was used exclusively for Jews and was governed by special conditions. From information gathered by the Committee, this camp had been started as an experiment by certain leaders of the Reich … These men wished to give the Jews the means of setting up a communal life in a town under their own administration and possessing almost complete autonomy. . . two delegates were able to visit the camp on April 6th, 1945. They confirmed the favourable impression gained on the first visit” (Vol. I, p . 642).

    (The Jews held at Theresienstadt also got visas to Palestine during the war.)

    “A large proportion of the Jewish minority had permission to stay in the country, and at certain periods Slovakia was looked upon as a comparative haven of refuge for Jews, especially for those coming from Poland. Those who remained in Slovakia seem to have been in comparative safety until the end of August 1944, when a rising against the German forces took place. While it is true that the law of May 15th, 1942 had brought about the internment of several thousand Jews, these people were held in camps where the conditions of food and lodging were tolerable, and where the internees were allowed to do paid work on terms almost equal to those of the free labour market” (Vol. I, p. 646).

    “The Jews from Poland who, whilst in France, had obtained entrance permits to the United States were held to be American citizens by the German occupying authorities, who further agreed to recognize the validity of about three thousand passports issued to Jews by the consulates of South American countries” (Vol. I, p. 645).

    The emigration of European Jews from Hungary in particular proceeded during the war unhindered by the German authorities. Until March 1944, Jews who had the privilege of visas for Palestine were free to leave Hungary” (Vol. I, p. 648).

  253. @Max Denken

    我不会说或读波兰语,不。 (你怎么知道?)。但在那个网站上,我看到男孩举起双手的照片,这归因于华沙隔都起义,而不是特雷布林卡。所以我认为这个网站确实展示了“某事是如何完成的”,但可能不是你想要的。

    • 回复: @snag
    , @Wally
  254. szopen 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I do understand that you will deny any evidence. I’ve seen codohers denying witnesses accounts of railway workers as Ząbecki (he just repeated gossips!). I’ve seen denying accounts from Polish underground, denying testimonies from local Poles who lived near Treblinka. They haven’t seen the gas chambers, after all, they just seen Jews going in and never going out and were repeating gossips. They were just hearing shots and screams, and that was all their imaginations. They were only forced to dig graves – and occasionaly shot by drunken SS-man. The letters found in Auschwitz? Forgery. The photo like this:? No proof at all, it could be anything.

    EOT from me.

  255. @snag

    As far as I know we Dutch never had much problem with our sephardic jews, who fled the Iberian peninsula around 1500.
    It may well be that our Golden 17th century, not so golden for everyone, was to some extent the result of knowledge and contact of jews that came here.
    Spinoza still is in esteem, that when he left, was expelled, the jewish community by asking a Dutch judge to rule in a business conflict with a fellow jew, we know.
    Our Dutch jews now are divided about Israel, those that criticise Israel are called traitors, they have their own organisation.
    What part of Dutch jews supports or criticises Israel I do not know.
    The pro Israel jewish organisation CIDI makes a lot of noise any time they see a threat, insult, etc.
    Our media have a high proportion jews, the extremely one sided news they provide is more and more under criticism.
    Immigrant Dutch with Muslim religion are not friends of jews, incidents caused by them against jews are increasing.
    Personally I knew jews of whom I had a high esteem, academics, I also had a very bad experience with a jew, but this means very little.
    Non jewish Dutch also can be nasty people.

    • 回复: @snag
  256. @jacques sheete

    In my opinion Bernard Baruch brought FDR into politics to wage war, as he already in 1928 or so said to Churchill ‘that he saw great things for him in the future’.
    Nevertheless, Hitler’s anti jewish measures are a fact.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  257. snag 说:
    @Max Denken

    If I was you I would be more careful with those numbers they depend who’s at the country’s steering wheel not if they (the population) love each other or not – There’s no secret that after 1989 most of the brass in so called Polish Government are the sons and daughters of Stalin’s Jews cripto zionists and pro Israel.

    I remember in 1960’s in Birkenau there was a sign with 4 million Jews gassed there, today I read on their website 900.000 – Trust but verify 😉

  258. @Beckow

    Donning means wearing. Walking and marching are different things though a similar physical action is required for both. You used the term marching which usually implies support for a cause or belief. I don’t doubt that Harry walked in his uniform as it is unlikely that he was carried or used a wheelchair. That he wore the uniform to attend a bad-taste party was widely accepted and reported at the time in the British press along with pictures of some of the other oddly attired attendees.

    Your version of the event twisted something quite innocent into something seemingly malevolent which is why I responded.

    • 回复: @Beckow
  259. 对于民主爱好者马克斯来说。

    1922 年 XNUMX 月…… 犹太复国主义的缰绳被牢牢地重新系上
    绕过美国国家政策,
    尽管美国选民只是慢慢地
    意识到这一点,对于哪个大选中胜出的他就变得无关紧要。

    -道格拉斯·里德(Douglas Reed),《锡安之争》,第300-301页

    https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt

    So you can see that “democracy” does nothing for Americans.

    还有更多:

    “……自 1860 年代以来,主要政党并未代表真正的政治问题。这些政党并不代表相反的政治原则;他们只是在方法上有所不同。”

    玫瑰怀尔德巷(Rose Wilder Lane)给我自由1936,1954、XNUMX

    American “democracy” is a mockery of the concept and always has been. The constitution,in fact was instigated and imposed as a defense against democracy. I have proof; just read the anti-federalists.

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  260. Wally 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The “boy” was not harmed, is in fact alive today.

    Yes, war time train stations had armed guards on both sides.

    http://www.codoh.com

  261. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    It’s alleged that 900,000 Jews are buried at the mentioned Treblinka.

    Why can’t Max Denken or anyone else show us those alleged human remains?

    http://www.codoh.com

  262. @jilles dykstra

    Nevertheless, Hitler’s anti jewish measures are a fact.

    No one ever denied that.

    In reality, there can be a lot of “air” between policies, laws, measures, and practice.

    In practice, Some Jews did well under Hitler. The non-Commie ones tended to do well for several years as did the ones like Glamour Girl Fromm, who admits it.

    It’s a fact that any suffering they did was overblown and still is.

  263. @bookish1

    The whole issue could be settle in a nutshell if these simple facts are understood: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

    True, but as Max at comment #99 pointed out, you cannot reason with religious fanatics. That goes double for those who believe in the religion of Holy Holocaustianity, especially the Orthodox members. Money and power are involved as well, so maybe it goes triple or quadruple for that gaggle of cultists.

  264. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    More of Max Denken’s juvenile fantasy nonsense.

    His Janowska concentration camp and his Leon ‘Bone Mill’ Weliczke Wells utterly debunked here:
    伦贝格骨磨坊
    作者:克劳斯·施文森
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3220/?lang=en
    前任。:水泥搅拌机自称是磨骨机,标题荒谬:
    “Moses Korn, a Jewish prisoner forced to work in Sonderkommando 1005 unit, poses next to a bone crushing machine in the Janowska concentration camp” (USHMM caption).
    The manufacturing company’s brochure. Oops!

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  265. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    Self-interest.

    Some amount of ego is necessary for survival. You wouldn’t take another bite of food if you had no ego, or take shelter from a storm.

    But outside a relatively narrow band, ego becomes a source of strife with others, and unhappiness for yourself.

    Dominating others, gathering vast wealth, thinking oneself superior – these are just exaggerated forms of self-seeking.

    亚伦,

    Christianity has a rational idealistic philosophical response to this egoism problem. The words of Jesus.

    “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor 作为你自己设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    “As yourself” – so loving one’s self (egoism) is OK in Christianity. It is natural, it is expected. When we love ourselves, we take rational actions that extend our future. When we love our neighbor, we take rational actions that extend their future. When we “use our minds” to create an exchange between neighbors – the future of both is extended – when it is repeated a rational bond is created.

    When one neighbor egotistically plants and nurtures an apple tree – and the other neighbor does the same with an orange tree – they both are burdened and unbalanced with too much of something – so they trade – building a yearly ongoing bond between them. Their personal can-do egos lead to extended balanced futures for both.

    Old world egoism that is built on zero-sum is not the way to live. Being loving and using your mind, to extend each party’s personal future by exchanging things is the rational alternative. It is the bases of idealistic Christian Western culture. When egoism is channeled by philosophical Christianity, good things happen.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @wayfarer
  266. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    Great, a rock is supposedly proof for the alleged “6M Jews’.

    Alleged mass grave for 900,000 at Treblinka:

    These stones said to be remains of 250,000 Jews. No lab analysis was permitted.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @szopen
  267. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    I understand what you are saying, but that is all in the realm of biological flourishing. Planting trees, helping our neighbors, it all relates to our survival. You are just describing rational, enlightened ego.

    Spirituality starts exactly where all these concerns end. It liberates us from the anxiety and burden of such concerns, and allows us to see beauty – beauty and wonder mean seeing the world as it is, and not how it relates to our survival, desires, or needs.

    It is detachment, not love – love, like hate, relates to our biological needs. Love for everyone may help one detach from oneself, and is a step in the right direction, but ultimately spirituality is beyond love or hate.

    True spirituality is almost impossible to find these days, even in writers on religion. It almost always cones down to enlightened egotism or attachment – people are afraid to go beyond love and hate. They think all pleasures come from their preferences.

    They do not know there is a happiness beyond preferences, a happiness beyond human values – and they are too afraid to find out.

    The message is all but lost, although it’s hiding in plain site in the old writers, and even more recent ones like Santayana.

    We cannot survive without self-interest, but we also need to transcend that perspective and see the world from the perspective of eternity.

    But you must do as you see fit. I am only explicating here.

    • 回复: @Art
  268. @szopen

    I’ve seen codohers denying witnesses accounts … I’ve seen denying accounts from Polish underground,

    You’ve long reached the point that you’re just making an ass of yourself.

    First of all, people really do have to understand, at long last, the difference between storytelling and real, established facts. There is no forensic evidence that corresponds to the killing of millions of people in gas chambers. Also, there is a complete lack of documentary evidence in the form of actual written orders to carry out mass killing of civilians on this scale.

    In any case, what you are doing here is completely intellectually squalid. It is as if somebody claimed that the U.S. government had a policy of killing every last Vietnamese villager (they didn’t) and killed, let’s say 30 million of them, and then, as proof of this, you are presenting the various evidence that various massacres (like the one at My Lai) occurred.

    Surely, you can understand that proving that the My Lai massacre occurred (which nobody disputes anyway) is not the same as proving that the U.S. government had a policy from the very top of killing every last Vietnamese villager! Nor does proving that things like the My Lai massacre occurred then prove that the death toll totals in the many millions!

    This is the kind of argumentation that you resort to. You set up a ridiculous straw man to knock down, the straw man being that the revisionists are claiming that the Germans never killed anybody! So, if you can demonstrate that the Germans committed some massacres or atrocities, then somehow you’ve demonstrated the following 3 propositions:

    1. The scale of the atrocities, i.e. some number something like 6 million.
    2. Exterminationist intent, i.e. was there a conscious government policy by Germany to kill every last Jew in Europe?
    3. The existence of homicidal gas chambers, which has become a central element in the story.

    The above 3 points are what have to be demonstrated, not knocking down some silly straw man that you set up.

    • 回复: @utu
  269. @Max Denken

    PS
    加上特雷布林卡的详细说明是如何完成的。

    这只是讲故事。人们最终必须真正理解讲故事与真实的既定事实之间的区别。

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  270. Max Denken 说:
    @jacques sheete

    你不仅颠倒了我之前给你的评论(#254)的含义,还颠倒了文字,以攻击从你脑海中飘过的一些幽灵,你读到了我的话,尽管它们与你所赋予的含义相反。你心智不健全,我不会再和你交流。

    • 回复: @utu
    , @jacques sheete
  271. Max Denken 说:
    @Wally

    与我指导你的意识形态朋友的波兰历史学家争论,而不是与仅仅转达他们的发现的我争论。

  272. utu 说:
    @snag

    Did you read my comment? Did you understand what I wrote? Perhaps you made a mistake and you are responding to somebody else. You seem to be confused.

    • 回复: @snag
  273. Dube [又名“基因多布里”] 说:
    @AndrewR

    [AndrewR says:] What’s next? A law banning claims that Poles ethnically cleansed Germans after the war? Or a law banning any criticism of said ethnic cleansing?

    This law proves that the anti-Pole sentiments of Friedrich der Grosse, Hitler, and other prominent Deutsche were eminently justified.

    [Gene Dobry says:] Well then, Andy–was the nation/state of Poland complicit in the Holocaust, or not?

    [AndrewR says:] I don’t know, nor does the answer to your question have any relevance to whether one should be allowed to claim the Polish government helped kill Jews.

    [Gene Dobry says:] Andrew, “complicit in the Holocaust,” as I asked, is not the same as your indefinite “helped kill Jews,” whatever that means. Claiming the Polish nation/state to be “complicit in the Holocaust” is to accuse it of genocide, a crime carefully defined so as to be actionable. So I ask whether one might consider the law as a put up or shut up warning.

    Note the criterion and very careful definition of “against the facts:”
    第 55a 条:
    1. [Anyone] who, in public and against the facts, ascribes to the Polish Nation or to the Polish State, responsibility or co-responsibility for Nazi crimes committed by the Third Reich, [as] defined in Article 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Annex to the Agreement for the prosecution and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis, signed in London on August 8, 1945 [….]

    Of course if there are further facts to be established, proceed.

    • 回复: @AndrewR
  274. L.K 说:
    @jacques sheete

    嘿,雅克,

    事实上,二战的种子是由一战的胜利者以及他们在二战结束时所做的选择播下的。

    正如美国历史学家 T. Fleming 在他的《胜利的幻觉》一书中所写:

    Wilson proclaimed self-determination as a great principle—and then gave away chunks of German-speaking Europe to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Italy and France, sowing the seeds of the next war. 知道在维也纳失去帝国后奥地利倾向于与德国结盟,威尔逊在凡尔赛条约中写了一篇禁止结盟的文章,无论奥地利人如何投票。[...]”

  275. Max Denken 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    你没有能力挑战非犹太历史学家对第二次世界大战、大屠杀等的描述。如果你愿意,请在特雷布林卡、马伊达内克、奥斯威辛等纪念网站上找到我们到底是谁写了这些“故事” .,挑战他们并要求提供证据。前往德国国家档案馆,取出其中 2 万份与大屠杀相关的主要文件,例如关于特雷布林卡的文件: https://www.its-arolsen.org/en/archives/overview-of-the-archival-holdings/general-inventory/,并挑战他们的真实性。

    你也没有能力挑战犹太历史学家的叙述,但至少你有一些非疯狂的主张,认为这些可能是有倾向性的。你们这里的意识形态朋友们对第一人称幸存者回忆录的嘲笑,比如莱昂·韦利茨克或扬·卡尔斯基的回忆录,不仅乏味、华而不实、无趣,而且在道德上也令人深感厌恶。

    请把大屠杀修正主义的东西带到别处。你擅自闯入我建造的房子,我不喜欢你在我的客厅中间扎营。去建造你自己的房子,然后在客厅里尽情享受吧。

  276. Vojkan 说:

    Jews as an ethnic / religious group have ceased to inspire me sympathy for quite some time. Yet I confess that posts by apologists of Hitler and Nazi Germany puzzle me. People, tell me, what excuses do you have in store for the invasions of Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece? Those definitely weren’t bolshevik nor jewish run countries then and posed no threat whatsoever to Germany. So why did the peace-loving nazis attack them?

  277. Beckow 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Your version of the event twisted something quite innocent into something seemingly malevolent

    As I responded before ‘innocence’ or ‘malice’ in this case are in the eye of the beholder. My question is: do you use similar criteria to evaluate other things around us? Or is the lax criteria reserved for the likes of Harry?

    We see daily that those who want to see malevolence find it among ‘enemies’ with little effort. A little consistency wouldn’t hurt.

  278. utu 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    First of all, people really do have to understand, at long last, the difference between storytelling and real, established facts.

    And I am sure Revusky is in position to explain the difference. He is a guy that if he was shown CCTV footage on YT form Krema I in Auschwitz showing people dying would be the first to scream: cris actors, cris actors. Look, their convulsions do not look natural. And the little girl foaming at her mouth is totally fake. I can do a better job with a cream whip.

    • 同意: szopen
    • 巨魔: Jonathan Revusky, L.K
    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  279. @Max Denken

    unz.com forum is a “house you built”? Does Ron know this?

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  280. @utu

    Congratulations, this is probably your stupidest comment yet.

  281. @Vojkan

    The Germans invaded Norway to preempt an invasion by the British (you know, those tireless defenders of truth and right over the centuries, just ask the Indians and the Irish), in a war declared by the British.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
    , @Wally
    , @jilles dykstra
  282. @szopen

    Yes, it could be anything, that’s exactly the point. For the acts in question there is no kind of evidence. You expect believe to believe fantastic claims of a systematic extermination plan based on pictures of a cremation during a brutal war?

    • 回复: @szopen
  283. L.K 说:
    @Max Denken

    医学博士:

    再次提醒您,这不是来自“犹太人”,而是来自波兰人,正如我上面的文字所表明的那样,这两个民族之间并没有失去爱。

    所以呢?由于各种原因,有很多非犹太人利益集团在宣传大屠杀骗局,而波兰人一直在其中占有重要地位。 咄!
    As Paul Grubach explains in “The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology. Why the Continued Success of a Failed Ideology?”, sub-item ‘Poland and the Holocaust Mythology’:

    ……尽管如此,就像在俄罗斯的情况一样,波兰对大屠杀神话的宣传不能完全用犹太人的影响来解释。

    1947年,波兰政府颁布了一项法律,纪念波兰和其他民族在奥斯威辛集中营的殉难,新的奥斯威辛国家博物馆诞生了。 [69] 正如罗伯特·扬·范佩尔特 (Robert Jan van Pelt) 所说,“波兰人和犹太人争夺营地的精神所有权。 奥斯威辛是[犹太人大屠杀]最重要的纪念地,也是德国统治下波兰人受难的最重要纪念地。”[70]

    与俄罗斯的情况一样,大屠杀意识形态成为波兰民族主义的基石。 事实上,波兰人想要创造一个“民族神话”,因此“需要”大量波兰人和犹太人在奥斯威辛集中营丧生。 考虑到这一政治目的,波兰宣传人员密谋故意夸大奥斯威辛集中营的死亡人数。 [71] […]

    奥斯威辛集中营有四百万人被杀害,这一“刻在石头上的事实”已经被揭露,因为它是一个精心设计的谎言。尽管如此,现任波兰政府每年提供超过 3.6 万美元来维持奥斯维辛集中营作为大屠杀纪念地。 [73]波兰领导层这样做仅仅是因为犹太游说团体希望他们这样做吗?答案是不。

    推广奥斯威辛神话的需要在犹太人和波兰人中都存在。 “共产主义的崩溃并没有解决波兰人和犹太人之间在该遗址的精神所有权问题上的紧张关系,”德沃克教授和范佩尔特教授如此正确地指出。[74] …
    奥斯威辛-比克瑙综合体是一个主要的旅游景点,为波兰经济提供急需的收入。 1989年,来自700,000个国家的76万人参观了该营地。 [2008] 2009 年,它接待了超过 1.3 万名访问者,77 年访问该网站的人数达到了创纪录的 XNUMX 万人。 [XNUMX]

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919

  284. polskijoe 说:
    @Vojkan

    很高兴纳粹输了。 他们所有的修正主义童话都不会改变任何事情。

    共产主义/犹太人/犹太复国主义者/美国人/英国人
    任何一天都在那些疯子身上。

    我不喜欢所有这些团体。

    纳粹德国很幸运,它没有收到摩根索或罗斯福的计划。

    幸运的是,在列宁格勒、莫斯科、基辅、斯大林格勒、华沙等地发生的事情之后,苏联人没有将他们夷为平地。

    让我们面对现实吧,所有这些复兴主义者/否认者都会在法庭上被摧毁,在任何国家,
    由实际专家。

    几乎每个人都承认并知道纳粹屠杀了数以百万计的人。

    再多的复兴主义或否定,都不会改变真相。

    我再次重申,日耳曼人已经攻击斯拉夫土地 1000 年了。

    Tuetonic Knights,General Plan Ost,Drang Nacht Osten,假普鲁士人,
    野蛮人、瑞典人等等等等

    然而,根据 codoh 狂热者的说法,不可能。 德国是无辜的。
    没有种族灭绝,没有大屠杀,没有杀害牧师,数以百万计的波兰人、乌克兰人、白俄罗斯人、俄罗斯人没有被杀。

    嘿。 地球也是平的! 哈哈。

    每个人都错了。 波兰人、俄罗斯人、犹太人,所有二战专家,
    所有这些目击者。 根据 codoh,所有这些都是错误的。

    只有 codoh 是对的。 哈哈哈哈哈。

    • 回复: @L.K
  285. Vojkan 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Oh, and I suppose they invaded Denmark just because it was on the way to Norway like they invaded neutral Belgium because it was on the way to France and they bombarded Yugoslavia without a prior declaration of war because it was on the way to, wait no, it was just that Yugoslavia wasn’t keen on being occupied by German troops. Sorry, that’s not what I call peaceful policies. Even if you take the Holocaust out of the picture, nazi Germany is the aggressor, just as for instance Napolean was the aggressor, and nazi Germany repeatedly committed crimes against peace. The British being bad doesn’t make the Germans good. Others are bad therefore we have the right to be bad is Israeli logic.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  286. L.K 说:

    More from Grubach’s article, ‘The Non-Jewish Stake in the Holocaust Mythology’, re Polish self interests in promoting the holohoax:

    [更多]

    Dutch-Jewish historian Robert Jan van Pelt noted that the falsehood that four million people were murdered at Auschwitz was originally “established” by the Soviets, and then later used by the communist rulers of Poland for their own political goal of laying claim to formerly German territories. He wrote: “As relations between the East and West deteriorated after the war, with the largest part of Germany becoming part of NATO and with that country refusing to recognize the legitimacy of postwar Polish annexation of the former German territories of East Prussia, Pomerania, and Silesia, the number of victims [at Auschwitz concentration camp] became a political issue. The communist rulers of Poland were unwilling to give an inch on their claims against Germany as long as the Bonn government did not recognize the territorial integrity of the People’s Republic of Poland, and therefore they continued to maintain, as a matter of policy, that 4 million people had been killed in Auschwitz.”[78]

    …Polish authorities still have an ulterior vested interest in promoting the Holocaust ideology. Although Germany and Poland are presently at peace, there is a history of hostility between them. The two countries have quarreled bitterly over war damages, past suffering, and the rights of an estimated 3 million ethnic Germans expelled as Poland became a Soviet communist satellite.[79] After the unification of Germany, the issue of lands ceded to Poland after the war was again raised in Germany.[80] …

    For the Polish nation, not only does the Holocaust mythology serve as a cornerstone of Polish nationalism, a useful ideological weapon against Germany, a “justification” for anti-German hostility, and a source of much needed revenue for its sometimes sluggish economy, it also provides a “safeguard” against any future German demand that Poland give back the disputed territories to Germany. Many Poles fear in their hearts that the post-war state of Poland stands and falls with Auschwitz.[…]

    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919

  287. @snag

    i am not sure what this means. You said there were no Polish Jews and never gave been. I simply noted that the state of Poland thinks otherwise.

  288. Wally 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Britain HAD already invaded Norway when the Germans arrived.
    IOW, Britain invaded first.
    British ships were actually in Narvik harbor when the Germans arrived.

    Not something the Zionist media talks about.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  289. Mulegino1 说:

    Let’s suppose that the current nucleus of the Shoah Legend were true. The vast, vast majority of ethnic Poles would certainly be far less accountable than those members of the Sonderkommando teams (almost all Jews) who were alleged to have actually participated in the “mass gassings” and cremations which- of course- occurred only in the imagination of Polish, Soviet and international Zionist propagandists.

    Instead, the “Sonderkommandos” are/were considered heroic witnesses of “the greatest crime in history which never happened in history” while goy non-participants in the “the greatest crime never committed” such as John Demanjuk from Ukraine are hunted and hounded to their dying day. The duplicity never stops.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  290. utu 说:
    @Max Denken

    你心智不健全

    你很好。因为我花了更长的时间才发现雅各布·瓜诺完全精神错乱了。他来自另一个现实。

  291. Wally 说:
    @Vojkan

    You obviously mean the information posted by Revisionists which you cannot refute.

    不要死于愚蠢。

    二战的责任——修正主义观点总结
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  292. L.K 说:
    @Max Denken

    显然你根本不知道你在说什么。

    Faurisson 教授在 2006 年写道:

    1951 年,作为法国代表团成员参加纽伦堡审判(1945-1946 年)的犹太人莱昂·波利亚科夫 (Léon Poliakov) 表示,他的结论是,我们掌握了关于第三帝国历史各个阶段的大量文件,其中包括:只有一点是例外:“灭绝犹太人的运动”。为此,他写道:“没有任何文件留下来,也许没有任何文件曾经存在过”(Bréviaire de la haine,巴黎,Calmann-Lévy,1974 [1951],第 171 页;英文版:Harvest of Hate,纽约,大屠杀图书馆,1979年,修订和扩充版)。

    从那以后什么都没有改变。
    Recently, famous holohoax ‘historian’ and Auschwitz ‘expert’, Robert Jan van Pelt, in his ‘The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial’, p.5, has stated that:
    “关于 Treblinka、Belzec 和 Sobibor[...] 作用的证据(比奥斯威辛集中营)少得多。”目击者很少,没有可以与霍斯提供的供述相比的供词,没有重要的遗骸,档案来源也很少。=

    然而,同样的 Jan van Pelt 在 27 年 2009 月 XNUMX 日接受加拿大 STAR 采访时承认,

    “我们没有任何物质或法医证据来支持(在奥斯威辛集中营)毒杀的目击者报告……
    我们所知道的百分之九十九实际上没有物理证据可以证明
    .

    So, the evidence for Auschwitz as a death camp is next to nothing – plus there is abundant evidence refuting the hoax – but the evidence for the Aktion Reinhardt “death” camps is, according to Pelt himself, even much less than at Auschwitz, which is just about zero.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  293. utu 说:
    @szopen

    In my first comment here I suggested how Poland could deal with Grabovski.

    And as far as the WWII and Holocaust Poland can make few preemptive moves. The book by Jan Grabovski of U. of Toronto is about to be published in Poland. It was already widely covered and discussed in Israel. The book claims that Poles are responsible for the death of 200,000 Jews. This is 3.3% of 6 millions. I think Poland should accept this claim without a single objection and offer a pecuniary compensation right away but not to Israel or Jews but to Germany which already has paid for the 6,000,000. It is beneath Israel and Jews to double bill, right?

    • 哈哈: renfro
  294. L.K 说:
    @polskijoe

    已经将您的句柄更改为 polskiTroll,因为这就是您的全部,真的,一个可悲的小沙文主义巨魔和一个可悲的小骗子。

    德国和波兰之间的战争不是德国赤裸裸的侵略,你必须知道,对吧 polskiTroll? 我的意思是,即使是像你这样一个撒谎的沙文主义猪,也不能假装不知道在第一次世界大战结束时德国所有的土地被盗,并给了一个新创建的波兰,一个在第一次世界大战后创建的国家,边界完全不合适和不可持续?
    今天,波兰坐落在许多被盗的德国土地上。

    如果愚蠢的波兰军政府接受了德国关于返回德国但泽走廊的公平提议,以便该国可以重新连接到其东普鲁士省,战争本可以避免。 相反,波兰继续成为二战有用的白痴。 战争结束时,它成为苏联卫星数十年。
    让我们来看看第一次世界大战获胜方的一些著名人物对这些事情的看法:

    英国首相劳合乔治在巴黎谈判期间:
    “我再一次告诉你,我们从来没有想过给波兰一个在过去 900 年里都不是波兰的省份......
    波兰委员会的提议,即我们应该将 2,100,000 名德国人置于一个不同宗教的人民的控制之下,这个人民在其历史上从未证明其稳定自治的能力,在我看来,迟早必须领导到东欧的新战争……” 11)

    “法国不太关心什么对波兰重要,而法国的立场完全取决于削弱德国的目标。”12)

    “用小国包围德国,其中许多国家由从未自治的人民组成,并且包括大量要求与祖国重聚的德国人,在我看来,这样的计划将成为未来战争最可怕的原因。” 13)

    “… I knew that a time would come when Germany would respond to the cry of its exiled people and restore them to the Fatherland by force of arms.
    出于这个原因,我在会议上再次施加压力,拒绝将波兰城镇和领土纳入其中的建议,这些城镇和领土在语言、种族和倾向方面绝大多数是德国人……”14)

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @polskijoe
  295. L.K 说:

    Germany had part of its lands and people stolen and East Prussia was severed from the rest of the country trough the creation of a Polish state with artificial borders.

    To understand how Germany was mutilated at the end of the great war, the following maps of Europe in 1914 and in 1923 graphically illustrate the point.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zp3ncdm

    Concerning German territories unjustly given to the new Polish state:

    US president Woodrow Wilson’s words of 7 April 1919 also went unheeded:
    “法国对波兰唯一真正的兴趣是通过给予他们无权拥有的波兰地区来削弱德国。” 15)

    美国国务卿罗伯特·兰辛于 8 年 1919 月 XNUMX 日发表讲话:
    “仔细研究一下条约,你会发现全体人民违背他们的意愿,被交到仇恨他们的人的手中,而他们的经济资源则被抢走并移交给其他人。 此类指令的结果即使不是绝望,也必定是仇恨和苦毒。 这些被压迫的国家可能需要数年时间才能摆脱枷锁,但可以肯定的是,夜幕降临,他们试图挣脱的时刻终将到来。 我们有和平条约,但它不会带来持久的和平,因为它建立在自私的流沙上。” 16)

  296. Max Denken 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    这篇文章是我在 Ron Unz 建造的城市里建造的房子。而且我家不欢迎你。建造你自己的房子,写你自己的文章,令人信服地解释为什么你相信的是真的。罗恩的城市规划有足够的弹性来实现这一点。

    写作很难,恶搞很容易。但是,通过将这些堆放在我的客厅中央,您和您的朋友并没有对您产生更多的尊重或对您的理论产生更多的信任。

  297. @Vojkan

    You asked a question, I answered it. I could expand on the other countries you mentioned but there’s clearly little point. I’m not pro-German and I would agree that they showed poor judgment before both world wars. However it’s historically inaccurate to view them as the primary or main cause of those wars. Official history on this matter is propaganda, if not outright lies.

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  298. wayfarer 说:
    @Art

    谢谢,艺术。

    Your narrative brought some tears to my eyes.

    It’s difficult anymore to find pure “unconditional love” and/or “forgiveness” in this dog-eat-dog world.

    I’m now trying to practice these things, and working at shedding a once bitter skin.

    When walking about, open to helping others, trying to enliven a mere moment in some stranger’s life, an unseen euphoric force emerges.

    We need to experiment more each day, with producing smiles, laughter, and some happiness no matter how brief, among others within this rough world.

    There are really only two ways to getting out of this life, either with a scowl upon our hearts or a smile. A pair of simple choices, but choices that are up to each of us.

    和平=

    • 回复: @Art
  299. L.K 说:

    Regarding the post WW1 created Poland, its artificial borders and its foreign policy:

    …“The fact that the true political aim of the Polish ruling class was not nationalist at all but imperialist, that it involved the domination of Poles over large numbers of people of origin other than Polish, has never been sufficiently understood in Western Europe.” 51)H. Seton-Watson, op. cit., p. 320.

    ... The French professor of Slavonic studies, René Martel, in the year 1929:
    “All Polish ideas end up, basically, as plans for expansion. Far from wishing to resolve the question of the Corridor in a manner acceptable to Germany, they are dreaming in Poland of extending that territory by annexing Danzig and East Prussia in one way or another.” 25)

    ...Roman Dmowski, the leading Polish agitator at Versailles, explained in 1923:
    “I never fought for the return of Poland – since that was taken for granted – what I was fighting for was the creation of a Greater Poland. The present day Poland is not small, but we must all keep in mind that it is only the first installment for a truly Greater Poland. As yet Poland is not a totally complete empire, but she must expand until she has become one, if her continued existence is ever to be permanent.” 16)
    … A high-ranking Polish General Staff officer, H. Baginski, in a book published in Warsaw in 1927 and awarded the annual prize of the “Polish commission for international intellectual co-operation”, specified the main aims of Polish foreign policy: annexation of Danzig, East Prussia and most of Silesia. …

  300. @Mulegino1

    Yes. This is what this entire “Polish death camp” ruckus is all about: the desire of Organized Jewry to use the “Holocaust” as a form of moral terrorism against non-Jews. Some random Ukrainian POW who served as a guard to save his skin isn’t just some poor dude trying to survive a situation far outside his grasp, he’s emblematic of the anti-semitism lurking in all our souls. At some point ALL Europeans (and doubtless all Americans) will stand complicit. The Poles are damn fools for allowing themselves to be NATO’s pawn against Russia, but there is some encouragement that they are pushing back against some of this “Holocaust” nonsense. They’d best do a lot more than complain about geographical particulars, however (as all Europeans must).

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Hippopotamusdrome
  301. Max Denken 说:

    @LK

    这是一个有趣的主题,值得单独讨论,尽管需要我们很少有人具备的特定知识,而且我肯定达不到。例如,但泽和普鲁士自中世纪早期以来一直是波兰领土,但与西里西亚一样,也受到德国人越过边境的拉扯。格但斯克之所以成为但泽,只是因为普鲁士在 1773 年用武力夺取了它,并一直保留到 1919 年。然后,当居民选择自由城市地位时,他们仍然投票支持波兰,而不是德国。另一方面,波兰占领的乌克兰和立陶宛土地上存在着大量的剥削和虐待,并不是每个波兰人都希望人们记住这一点。
    顺便说一句,罗曼·德莫夫斯基(Roman Dmowski)是一个彻头彻尾的讨厌鬼的人。适合我们当代的……

    • 回复: @L.K
  302. @Max Denken

    亚诺夫斯卡似乎是一个迷你马伊达内克,不是吗?苏联最初声称有 500 万人在那里丧生,现在死亡人数约为 40 万人。不确定你用波兰语怎么说“给我一个坚实的基础”(正如你所指出的,我不会说或读这种语言),但也许你可以帮助我理解这本书的意义? (需要明确的是,我不怀疑德国人经营着一个集中营系统,他们令人不愉快,等等。)

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  303. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Did you read it? If his masterpiece was nonsensical he wouldn’t be blacklisted but he was because of many inconvenient facts that demolished zio-crap … he was searching for those 6 millions, then 5 millions and when he couldn’t find even 4 millions he was blacklisted in english and hebrew because he refused to edit it. Read the early German edition and compare with those edited in english and hebrew and you’ll know what I’m talking about. There’re honest Jewish scholars out there but if they rebel against zio PR are destroyed by their fellow Jews like Finkelstein and others like him.

    If he was working in some storage facility how would he know about other camps?

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  304. snag 说:
    @utu

    If you didn’t change anything while I was looking for links than accept my apology. I don’t have a time
    to check over 250 posts to find what happen and clear this up ,…

  305. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    They do not know there is a happiness beyond preferences, a happiness beyond human values – and they are too afraid to find out.

    亚伦,

    So, what is this spiritual happiness that goes beyond normal everyday successful living? How does it manifest itself?

    Is it some super consciousness? Is there a genetic emotion tied to it? Is it greater than the natural emotional experience of the “joy of realization”? Can only spiritual people attain this superior happiness?

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @AaronB
  306. Max Denken 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    我不了解 500k,40k 是一个丰富想象力的发明。我认为这个很权威 https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob%C3%B3z_janowski,还有幸存者的书。这里的数字是200k。我的母亲曾在这个集中营(顺便说一句,在犹太警察的领导下),她告诉我她所看到和经历的事情,也告诉了德国法庭。我该相信谁,她还是你?

    这是一位波兰幸存者对一本传记书的讨论,与我的叙述一致,而不是你的——而且是在一个对 JQ 相当负面的论坛上进行的: http://www.polishclub.org/2013/12/25/aleksander-szumanski-uniwersytet-zbirow-oboz-janowski-we-lwowie/

  307. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    Well hold on fellow….until we are notified other wise the ‘thread’ here is the readers and commenters ‘house’. You wrote your essay and put it out here for the public. So perhaps now you should be quiet while others have their say. If you want your own house start your own blog you can control.

    The problem I have with your essay is not that the point of it is wrong…its that its writhing like a pit full of snakes. You are too emotionally involved and enraged about the subject and it shows…so naturally people are going to question you.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  308. @Max Denken

    Max, I would suggest that it is you who does not belong in this “house”. Ron Unz is a champion of free speech and this website testifies to that in every way including the freedom given to commenters. I would say that due to that and the fact that the extremely intelligent software enables various conversation threads to be followed simultaneously, it attracts some very knowledgable and diverse viewpoints. I would say that their are no better comments overall anywhere on the web, that I’m aware of. If you don’t like the comments I would suggest that you pitch your shabby little tent elsewhere (to describe it as a room implies a sound structure that is so clearly lacking, as so many commenters have stated). I would say that the comments here were of greater value than what you wrote. Suck it up!

  309. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    Another tip…no one is going to take you as creditable if you use wiki as a source…it has become a joke for anything on Jews or the holocaust. As in the wiki every single reference footnote gives a book by a Jewish author as the source…hardly unbiased .
    您应该尝试在英国人和当时在该国的其他非犹太人或波兰人的报告中找到有关波兰的报道。

    • 同意: jacques sheete
    • 回复: @Max Denken
  310. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    Few can read Polish here, which I’m sure you know, hence you post Zionist Wikipedia* crap which cannot be challenged because of the language.

    * 犹太复国主义维基百科编辑课程
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    Tell us what the claims are in English and I guarantee you that if they are like all the other “$urvivor” tales with their contradicting claims and scientifically impossible lies, it will be exposed as fraudulent.

    And do tell us precisely what your mother told you. We’re waiting. This should be good.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Max Denken
    , @Ex-Saffer
  311. L.K 说:
    @Max Denken

    纯粹的波兰宣传。

    但泽 96% 是德国人。你根本就不是一个严肃的人。

    事实上,你真是一个令人悲伤的案例,你居然提到江湖骗子/宣传员扬·卡尔斯基(Jan Karski)作为一个可靠的消息来源!
    即使是重要的全息骗局历史学家通常也与 J. Karski 保持距离!
    7 年 2003 月 37 日,第 XNUMX 页。德国知名报纸《法兰克福汇报》LXNUMX 写道: “[历史学家劳尔]希尔伯格迄今为止的最后一本书[……]《大屠杀研究的来源》默默地放弃了一些最著名但显然也是最不可靠的证人,例如库尔特·格斯坦和扬·卡尔斯基。”

    不过,继续吧,你很会笑!

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  312. snag 说:

    OMG, jewish kapo? I’m shocked … Realy 😉

  313. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    Well, really, I misspoke.

    It isn’t some great mysterious thing. It’s the simple pleasure of not being always preoccupied with your survival. It’s the lifting of a burden, of anxiety, which frees you to appreciate some things better. When your mind is always clouded by anxiety over survival, it closes you off to certain aesthetic experiences as well as to wonder.

    Of course, I’m not suggesting you neglect survival, only that you develop a certain amount of detachment from yourself, and from life.

    It’s available to everyone, and only the modern world has really lost it. It used to be common.

    The ancient Greeks recommended it, as did the Indians and Chinese, and it used to be part of Christian wisdom. The last great western writer to hold this viewpoint was Montaigne.

    Since the Romantic Revolution, we have been striving to reach the impossible, to break all natural bounds, and create a utopia, here on earth, or in our minds. A little detachment, a little indifference, would restore us to sanity, and teach us not to take life on this planet so seriously. Life can be play, it does not have to be work.

    Jews with their grand quests for money and power and changing the world, the people who think science will redeem us, the modern liberals – so much energy, so much misery.

    We’re finite animals, and we have misunderstood ourselves. Trying to be what we cannot be makes us more unhappy than we have to be, and is the source of our crazy self destructiveness.

    If we’re not happy with ourselves, or life on earth, instead of torturing ourselves trying to become what is impossible for us to be, and ruining ourselves in the process, we can learn not to take ourselves or life so seriously, treat life more as play than a serious project, and free our minds to appreciate things we can’t see when we’re burdened with anxiety.

    That’s the wisdom of the ancient Greeks, and Indians. Even the passionate Hebrews had finally reached it in Kohelet.

    Only we moderns have lost it, and have a created a world heavy with gloom and seriousness.

    I don’t think we can do anything about it, though. Our culture has to die a natural death.

    But some of us can have the old mellow happiness, if we choose, and forget about progress. Detachment is better than progress, truer to the facts and to our nature, and delivers an immediate happiness, rather than an impossible future one.

    • 回复: @Art
  314. Vojkan 说:
    @Wally

    I happen to come from a country the nazis invaded, where they killed many many civilians, even high school students, had a grandfather in the resistance, spent part of my childhood at a former concentration camp prisoner’s house. I am very well aware that official history is written by the winners and that it bears at best only a distant relation to the truth. I am aware because I have relatives who fought in the communist resistance and relatives who fought in the royalist resistance. But I happen to have talked to real people who lived through WWII, who weren’t Jews and who had no reason whatsoever to lie. Some even hid Jews from the nazis and had no sympathy left for them after the nazis were gone.
    As I wrote in a previous comment, even if you take the Holocaust out of the picture, the Germans still look bad enough. As for the Holocaust deniers, they are doing perfectly the Holocaust industry’s bid by reducing WWII to a German vs. Jews narrative thus confirming the Zionists’ claim to exclusive victimhood and exonerating the Germans from all their numerous crimes against other people. Kragujevac in Serbia, Oradour-sur-Glane in France did happen and they are remembered by the locals.
    As for the Holocaust itself, which as Jean-Marie Le Pen I consider a detail in History, albeit a very tragic one, the arguments of revisionists have more to do with nitpicking than credible denial. Even if “only” half-a-millon, not six million Jews died at the hands of the Germans, it’s still a crime and it’s still a genocide because the sole reason they died was because they were Jews. Six million maybe an exaggeration but there is a hell lot of Jews who went missing during WWII and never reappeared.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  315. Vojkan 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Sorry but I see no other cause for WWII in the former Yugoslavia other than the German aggression. Yes, the former Yugoslavia was an artificial creation and it maybe it would have fallen apart and descended into bloodshed sooner than it did but WWII there is because of the Germans.

  316. Max Denken 说:

    你在传递偏执的胡言乱语,我有自己的胡言乱语探测器,我知道维基百科是什么,当我阅读它时,我的探测器已打开并发出嗡嗡声。我还查阅主要的非英语百科全书,主要是拉鲁斯。我在这里为我引用的 Wiki 提供了支持项目。

    一旦你走你选择的路,你就会开始相信“犹太复国主义者”控制着世界,甚至失去了犹太复国主义者和犹太人之间的本质区别,这就像称每个美国人为“共和党人”一样。

    你不会让我或任何头脑清醒的人打开 codoh 的链接,所以请放弃。你让我想起了那些哈西德派犹太人,他们在一些地方闲逛,试图让上海的无辜者在货车里做一些犹太仪式。我不相信他们,也不相信你,而且我对达拉斯是否有五名枪手以及 9/11 是否是“摩萨德的工作”不感兴趣。

    让我们在这里,走开。

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
  317. renfro 说:

    How Many Jews Were There In Europe In 1939?

    The following represent the estimates of the American Jewish Committee as given in the World Almanacs in various years:

    表 2:1933-1939 年欧洲的犹太人

    Year of Publication Year of Statistics Numbers Numbers given under World Religions
    1939 1933 9,494,363 9,494,363
    1941 1939 8,939,608 not given
    1945 1939 9,372,666 8,939,608
    1949 1939 9,739,200 not given
    1949 1947 3,920,100 not given

    See anything screwy here ?

    表 3:1933 年至 1939 年世界各地的犹太人

    Year of Publication Year of Statistics Numbers
    1939 1933 15,319,459
    1941 1939 15,748,091
    1945 1939 15,688,259
    1949 1939 16,643,120

    It appears the Jews found more Jews for 1939 in 1949. How do you 10 years later go back and re-do your census…with a time machine?
    I would guess by jiggling the figures and plain old lying.

    There were never 16m Jews in the world in 1939 and 6 million Jews were not killed. Period. Not even worth discussing anymore and the 6m claim deserves only a laugh and rolling of the eyes.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Seraphim
  318. Max Denken 说:
    @renfro

    正如我之前指出的,我没有兴趣与你们讨论这个问题。我不会像你那样致力于诽谤犹太人,将我的一生奉献给捍卫犹太人。我不想“尝试”任何事情,因为我不想说服你。我只是要求你收集可疑货物并将其转移到其他地方。

    至于维基,首先,它的波兰语版本与英语版本完全不同,其次,我提供了一个反犹太主义波兰博客中证实文章的链接。

    至于书籍,你觉得犹太作家的书,尤其是自传体书籍,本身就缺乏可信度?哇哦,我们这里有什么……你也觉得天主教波兰人的战时报告不可信吗?即使他们中的大多数人,包括卡尔斯基和皮莱茨基,都是相当反犹太主义的?你觉得我母亲向她儿子讲述的经历也缺乏可信度吗?英国人,啊?我确信英国人在波兰境内见证了 1939 年至 1945 年的岁月,有成堆的书籍……

    没关系,我不介意。请去别的地方吧;我们没有时间做这个。

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @renfro
  319. @L.K

    The confession by Höss, in Polish captivity.
    根据
    亚瑟·布茨(Arthur R. Butz),“二十世纪的骗局,反对欧洲犹太人被假定灭绝的案件”,科斯塔·梅萨(Costa Mesa),1977年,1989年
    Höss was promised clemency if he confessed.

    This of course is what happens at many trials, the lawyer advising to confess, in order to get a less severe punishment.
    Höss was hanged so that he never could talk again.

    Then there is, again

    保罗·拉西尼耶(Paul Rassinier),《战争论》,《死灵》(Die Juden und das Dritte Reich),莱昂尼·斯塔恩贝格(Leoni am Starnberger See),第7幅印刷,1981年。 (1963年)

    Rassinier in the sixties was denied entrance to Germany, to be present at the trial of a recently captured Auschwitz under commander, who denied the gas chambers.
    The man suddenly died in prison, no trial.

  320. @snag

    Cannot find if you refer to Hillberg or Wiesel.
    I read both.
    Hillberg is nonsensical.
    Wiesel was moved from one camp to another, he does mention that conditions in the camps varied, depending on what inmates managed the camp.

    • 回复: @snag
  321. @Beefcake the Mighty

    正确:
    罗德瑞克·麦克劳德上校(DSO,MC)和丹尼斯·凯利(Dennis Kelly),“时间未定,铁杆日记1937年至1940年”,纽约,1963年

  322. szopen 说:
    @Wally

    Once again, you write “these stones” and link the photo which is the least likely to the bones, while omitting other photos. That means you are dishonest (no surprise here)/

  323. szopen 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    There are preserved fucking letters from Sonderkommando members (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/auschwitz-survivor-s-hidden-letter-details-horror-of-holocaust-1.3284636). Yet I’ve seen the claim that because they are not fully preserved, and since it contains things like “3000 people in 2000 square feets” they are all forgeries and therefore, not a proof.

  324. szopen 说:
    @L.K

    Oh, so when Germany steals a land from Poland it’s OK, but when then local Poles are fed up with German colonisation and make an uprising, then it means they stole from the ubermenschen. I get it now.

  325. Danny Boy 说:

    事实是,波兰或现在的 Polin(波兰的希伯来语名称)不是一个主权和独立的国家,但越来越多的人表明它是以色列的殖民地。 执政党法律和正义党的政客们像小杂种一样服从以色列和美国的命令,当他们试图做一些与他们的主人所说的相反的事情时,一切都会崩溃。 他们一直跪在内塔尼亚胡面前,向他保证他们是以色列的好“朋友”。 讲波兰语的政客是西方列强所鄙视的无骨气的出卖者。 他们唯一能做的就是对俄罗斯大刀阔斧,俄罗斯总是把所有事情都归咎于俄罗斯,包括这次波林-以色列危机。

    • 回复: @utu
  326. Ex-Saffer 说:
    @Wally

    请准确地告诉我们你母亲告诉你的话。

    责骂/这当然是不文明的行为。不明白以如此傲慢的方式质疑母亲对儿子的忠告有什么好处。许多谈话似乎都是试图反驳某人的经历。一般来说,试图告诉某人他们没有经历过他们所说的经历是相当愚蠢的。无论如何,CODOH 完全是狗的早餐,每次去那里都会让我头疼,所以考虑一下你推荐它是对你的对手不利的。 /骂

    • 同意: utu
  327. @Max Denken

    达拉斯有多少枪手很重要,因为这实际上是一场政变,使美国脱离了轨道,走上了现在的轨道,接近自我毁灭。 9/11 是谁干的很重要,因为该事件被用来推动 GWOT,它几乎使美国破产,造成了大量死亡,第三世界出现大规模移民,并将世界带到了比以往任何时候都更严重的冲突边缘。大屠杀修正主义很重要,因为夸张的叙述充当了掩盖人造国家罪行的遮羞布,而人造国家是世界各地战争的主要推动者和煽动者。

    超过一亿人死于世界大战,而不可避免的事实是这些战争是在主要位于伦敦和纽约的大银行中煽动和策划的。当然,许多无辜的犹太人和数亿其他人一样遭受了巨大的痛苦。 100万是我们所听到的,这本身就已经够糟糕的了,但事实上,它主要是谎言和纯粹的宣传,这是每个人都应该关心的。所有这些事件都有一个简单的共同点:它们共同构成了实施 NWO 的手段。

    I see that Art was referred to as a Neo Nazi, yet Art has constantly warned that the “little” Jews will suffer due to the excesses and machinations of the “big” Jews. Clearly he does not want this and he signs his comments “Peace”. Your article just reinforces the false narrative and then you have the nerve to tell commenters who disagree with you to “just go” while many have been here longer than you and have contributed much more of value.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @Max Denken
  328. @Vojkan

    ” As I wrote in a previous comment, even if you take the Holocaust out of the picture, the Germans still look bad enough ”

    How, what ?
    My relatives who expirienced five years of occupation in the Netherlands never mentioned anything.
    On the contrary, the ten or eleven volume history by Lou de Jong, jew, mentions one or so theft by a Wehrmacht soldier, the man was punished.

    • 回复: @szopen
    , @Vojkan
    , @RobinG
  329. @szopen

    David Irving asked if he could have the Anne Frank diary investigated in a laboratory, it was refused.
    The last part is written by a ball point pen, how such a pen could be in Amsterdam in 1944 has never been explained.
    To avoid misunderstanding, what happened to the Frank family is beyond any doubt, in my mind.
    There is just doubt if a fourteen year old girl wrote the diary.
    It is the same with the minutes of the Wannsee conference, and the reports of the Einsatz Kommando’s.
    How these last reports could be distributed in about a hundred copies defies any imagination.

  330. @renfro

    How many jews there are depends on the definition used.
    The atheistic jews define themselves as ‘belonging to the jewish culture’.
    These atheistic jews do not seem to understand that their definition defines nothing, because they do not define jewish culture.

    Anyhow, I corresponded with someone in the USA whose grandfather, or a generation older, converted in Germany around 1870 from judaism to protestantism.
    This USA citizen in my opinion still was a jew, unable to look objectively at jewish, and especially zionist history.

    The meticulous Germans with their alleged race laws of 1938 did define exactly who was a jew.
    No mention of race, just the recorded religion of parents and great parents.
    Thus there were half, quarter and eight jews, and so on.

    They had big problem, if a ‘real’ German converted to judaism, did this make him a jew ?
    This did happen in marriages.
    Forgot how they solved the problem.

  331. Seraphim 说:
    @renfro

    In 1965 3.5 million Jews were registered with the West German Government claiming indemnities as having suffered under the Nazis ‘physically and psychologically’ between 1939 and 1945.

  332. @Beefcake the Mighty

    你不可能是认真的。

    In his own mind, he’s being serious, but actually it’s profoundly UNserious.

  333. @Max Denken

    你心智不健全,我不会再和你交流。

    And you are not qualified to judge. But then that’s what belligerent, ignorant simpletons do when they can’t deal with facts.

    谢谢你答应以后不再理我。请务必遵守诺言。

  334. @renfro

    You are too emotionally involved and enraged about the subject and it shows…so naturally people are going to question you.

    That, and the fact that it’s obvious he should stick to writing in a language he’s fluent in. English is not one of them.

  335. szopen 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    My relatives who expirienced five years of occupation in the Netherlands

    WUHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Come on, by comparing occupation of Netherlands with occupation of Poland you really reveal an astonishing lack of ignorance. How many villages were burned in Netherlands by Germans? How many professors shot because they were professors? How many teachers, lawyers?

    • 回复: @Vojkan
    , @jilles dykstra
  336. @NoseytheDuke

    Your article just reinforces the false narrative and then you have the nerve to tell commenters who disagree with you to “just go” while many have been here longer than you and have contributed much more of value.

    Typical for those who cannot handle the truth. The raving emotionalism and unbalanced personal attacks are revealing as well.

    Even a low IQ, confirmed crackpot such as myself doesn’t need to resort to such behavior.

  337. @szopen

    So you think 3000 people can fit in a 2000 sq ft area? And you say revisionists are delusional?

  338. @Ex-Saffer

    我必须同意这一点。 “大屠杀”已经成为一种带有各种幻想和迷信的官方宗教,但没有必要嘲笑战争期间发生的非常真实的苦难。

  339. Vojkan 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    If you think it’s fine to have your country attacked and occupied and streets patroled by a foreign military and to have children executed in reprisal of acts of resistance then good for you. A lot of people throughout the world think otherwise and prefer to be their own rulers. A lot of people throughout the world prefer to have no military, not even their own, patroling the streets.

  340. @Max Denken

    英文维基声称苏联夸大了 500 万,当前评估为 40 万。另请注意,内务人民委员部在 1941 年撤离时在附近(利沃夫)屠杀了政治犯,毫无疑问,在该地区很容易找到任意数量的坟墓,抛开正在进行的一场重大战争的小问题不谈。

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janowska_concentration_camp

  341. Vojkan 说:
    @szopen

    Even if not as brutal, it remains an occupation force that has committed an act of military aggression. There are people who are fine with occupiers, there are people who aren’t. I for one am not. People are entitled to resist occupation. Whether against the Germans during WWII, against the Soviets afterwards, or against Americans as in Vietnam or Iraq. Because Germans were the aggressors in WWII, Soviets were the aggressors in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, Americans were the aggressors in Vietnam and Iraq. No revisionism can change that.

    • 回复: @Hippopotamusdrome
  342. utu 说:
    @Danny Boy

    讲波兰语的政客是西方列强鄙视的无骨的出卖者。

    你说对了。 波兰注定要失败。

  343. annamaria 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Get off American back. If Israel is for Jews only, please invite all your brethren and sisterhood there and leave western civilization alone. We have enough of your bloody Esthers, “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks,” and other Naftali Frankel (of GULAG fame), Lazar Kaganovich (of Holodomor fame), and Helena Woliskis (of killing-out-the-Poles fame).
    By the way, that was a clear case for Nazi-hunters: “Helena Wolinska, 88, a former Polish prosecutor who has lived in England since 1972, is accused of fabricating evidence against Gen Emil Fieldorf, a member of the Polish resistance during the Second World War= https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570040/Oxford-dons-wife-sent-war-hero-to-his-death.html
    You need to learn how to live with your Arab cousins without using the resources of other nations.

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
  344. @snag

    Allow me to note s little problem with your assertions posing as argument. The Jewish rste of marrying non-Jews makes nonsense of your rant. Do a bit of research.

    • 回复: @snag
  345. Wally 说:
    @Ex-Saffer

    “CODOH”

    Indeed, you have been confronted with information that you goes against lies that have been very beneficial to Jews like you, you cannot refute it , hence a bad case of ‘cognitive dissonance’.
    科学,理性思维和逻辑只会破坏“大屠杀”的故事情节。
    And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it. Truth is hate to those that hate the truth.
    更多给你:
    据称杀害 34,000 名犹太人的确切时间巴比亚尔的航拍照片:
    什么也没发生。
    另请参阅:
    '在芭比雅发生了什么?
    事实与神话'
    乌克兰作家 MICHAEL NIKIFORUK 使用航拍照片和战时报纸,驳斥了一些关于战时暴行的神话。
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html
    和:
    'Babi Yar:关键问题和评论': http://codoh.com/library/document/920/?lang=en
    和:
    Babi Yar 的尸体,John Gibbons 报道: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7302
    和:
    'Babi Yar'大屠杀'被揭穿':viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Ex-Saffer
  346. Wally 说:
    @Ex-Saffer

    “This is being uncivil, surely. Can’t see what good can come from questioning in such a haughty way a mother’s counsel to her son.”

    Nonsense, claims which are potentially “uncivil” towards others deserve to be questioned, must be questioned.

    If the woman’s tales hold up to rational scrutiny then there should be no worries. I suspect that they do not, hence the details are dodged. And that is precisely what you already know.

    Only lies need protection, truth can stand on it’s own.

    http://www.codoh.com

  347. @annamaria

    哦,嗯。

    A little context might be helpful. Though this hasn’t done much to dampen the vitriol, a little truth doesn’t do much for leaven encompassing it.

    https://www.gotquestions.org/dashing-babies-against-rocks.html

    Calling on god, for vengeance is easily misconstrued by people, even jews.

  348. @Max Denken

    Even in normal circumstances, saying something like: “All these people say X so X must be true” is not a very strong argument. However, when we’re talking about the Holocaust and WW2 generally, these are not normal circumstances.

    We’re in a very special context, where there are Holocaust denial laws such that people can have their careers destroyed and even be imprisoned for questioning the canonical narrative. So, to say that all these professional historians proclaim their belief in this narrative just means nothing basically. What it means is that they all prefer the food and conversation at the Faculty Club over that of a prison mess hall.

    So it really just doesn’t mean a damned thing! Look, if there were similar “Leprechaun denial” laws, the entire faculty of every university would be proclaiming their belief in Leprechauns.

    It’s like claiming that everybody in medieval Europe at the time of the Inquisition believed in all the church dogmas. Well, maybe they did all believe, or maybe they just didn’t fancy getting burnt at the stake! Who knows? Once you have a situation where you can be persecuted like that for questioning something, then…

    你没有能力质疑非犹太历史学家对第二次世界大战、大屠杀等的描述。

    I’m sorry, this is completely wrong-headed nonsense. Often, a generalist, armed with basic critical thinking skills, can realize that a specialist in a field is talking nonsense.

    任何人都可以看到,声称专业历史学家对此达成了一些重大共识,然后却不提及存在否认大屠杀的法律,这是荒谬的!此外,任何常识的应用都应该告诉人们,如果真的通过自由调查和辩论形成了如此强烈的共识,那就不需要所谓的否认大屠杀的法律了!这些法律的存在实际上与您的观点相矛盾!

    还有这种对第一人称幸存者回忆录的嘲讽,

    This is a straw man. It’s not about 嘲笑 people’s personal memoirs. The real problem is this…

    看,我清楚地记得,小时候在学校的某个时候,我想是一位老师告诉我,苏联在二战中失去了 15 万人。我记得几年后读到他们损失了 2 万。我想最近,我遇到过一些人在谈论一个更像是 21 万的数字。

    Now, I actually don’t care that much what the true number is. The point is that if somebody is questioning whatever number and says they think the true number is far lower, and then somebody says: “How dare you question this? My grandpa was there! He was at Stalingrad blah blah….”

    Would that make any sense? Fine, the person was a participant in the events and saw a lot of people killed. It’s not a question of “ridiculing” the person’s direct life experience. BUT the fact remains that whatever this person observed is completely consistent with any of the numerical totals! Or even a much lower figure like one or two million. By the same token, if somebody survived the fire bombing of Dresden, what that person personally observed is just as consistent with 10 thousand dead as with 100 thousand dead. He saw a lot of corpses and a lot of people dying but has no idea what the real figure is. And, on the basis of his personal experience, he certainly does not have the slightest idea how many people were killed in the entire campaign of terror bombing.

    The only way to establish such things is via meticulous scholarship. You can’t just say “my Momma was at a camp and says she saw this and that” and then say that this proves:

    (A) 德国政府的最高层政策是屠杀每一个犹太人

    AND

    (B) 有 6 万犹太受害者(或多或少)

    Somebody who observes a massacre or atrocity has no way of knowing what the total number of people killed over the entire time period was. These things would have to be demonstrated by real scholarship. And then the problem is that if you have laws that make it a crime to question these things, you’ve essentially illegalized honest research, because, to research something honestly, you have to be able to question things.

    你擅自闯入我建造的房子,

    Dude, you have not built a house — certainly not literally, and not even figuratively. You’re trying to build on a non-existent foundation, which is the intellectually squalid idea that “everybody says this story is true so it must be true” and then ignoring the fact that saying that the story is not true is a crime in much of the Western world and will get you fired from your job or even imprisoned.

    No, you haven’t built a damned thing. All you’re doing is just making a complete ass of yourself. And it’s largely disgraceful, like this trying to use hyper-emotional bullying tactics to bull your way through an intellectual debate. And you should really leave your mother out of it. You are not honoring her memory by behaving this way.

    • 同意: renfro
    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  349. Max Denken 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    你把这个评论放在一个作者的作品中,他对“6万”没有什么可说的,因为这一切都已经被说出来,记录下来,密封了三代人,因此无论是作者还是其他任何头脑清醒的人都觉得没有必要返回那里。但这篇文章是关于希特勒谋杀的 20 多万斯拉夫人,其中接近 20 万波兰人。而你和其他狂热的 Holohoax 粉丝将讨论转移到了论坛上的 2.8 万活动,而论坛的人数本应超过 6 百万。真是又可怜又好笑,但我实在不能在这上面浪费更多的时间了。

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @renfro
  350. Dube [又名“基因多布里”] 说:
    @AndrewR

    [AndrewR asks:] Who defines “the facts”

    [Gene Dobry replies:] In this case, read again. As I posted earlier:

    Note the criterion and very careful definition of “against the facts:”
    第 55a 条:
    1. [Anyone] who, in public and against the facts, ascribes to the Polish Nation or to the Polish State, responsibility or co-responsibility for Nazi crimes committed by the Third Reich, [as] defined in Article 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, Annex to the Agreement for the prosecution and punishment of the major war criminals of the European Axis, signed in London on August 8, 1945 [….]

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
    , @AndrewR
  351. @Dube

    In other-words, stop holding Poland accountable for what transpired under the occupation of Nazi Germany and to do is tantamount to slander or libel.

    • 回复: @Dube
  352. AndrewR 说:
    @Dube

    So basically, “facts” decided by a military tribunal consisting of people who died years ago. Ok.

  353. @szopen

    Where did I compare the occupation of the Netherlands to the Polish occupation ?
    I just stated that in our country the Wehrmacht behaved quite decently, as they did in France, Belgium and Italy.

  354. RobinG 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Lou de Jong is irrelevant. You’re unaware that Germany had different regime -[standards, behavior, code of engagement]- for your country than for Slavic Untermenschen? Sad, your vast “knowledge” is a pretense.

  355. Max Denken 说:
    @L.K

    感叹号、粗体文本、侮辱和声称你不具备的专业知识不会让你对一个大脑尚未受感染的人有多大帮助。阅读和学习;没有“维基百科的犹太复国主义编辑”,也没有“波兰宣传”,因为这是伟大的法国百科全书拉鲁斯:

    http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/ville/Gda%C5%84sk/121004

  356. @Beefcake the Mighty

    At some point ALL Europeans (and doubtless all Americans) will stand complicit.

    LOL, At some point. Has been for a long time.

    independent.co.uk

    Holocaust survivors say Donald Trump’s refugee ban ‘tragically’ similar to 1930s
    America closed its doors to immigrants in 1921 and throughout the Second World War

  357. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    没关系,我不介意。请去别的地方吧;我们没有时间做这个。

    Lol……..evidently you have lots of time…..you do the so called 辛勤的写作…..in an emoting, emotional, haranguing rant even using your dear mommy in your diatribe ….(and I find putting your mother’s personal travails out in public to be very inappropriate and disgusting btw)…… and then when you see people don’t agree with you you throw yourself on the floor of the thread kicking and screaming like a 2 year old.

    And the you tell everyone to get out like some unhinged lunatic waving a gun in a shopping mall …..as if we are going to….rotflmao!

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  358. @Max Denken

    你一直说你已经受够了修正主义者,但你又来了。

  359. Max Denken 说:

    请注意此处嗡嗡作响的“Holohoax”蝇科动物:

    请过一个生活。创办一家企业,收养一个孩子,建立第四帝国,在 codoh 上讨论事情,等等。你在这里所做的事情既可怜又令人反感。无论何时何地,你都会被J字所吸引,就像家蝇被一块红肉吸引一样,你开始嗡嗡作响,排挤所有其他有情众生。人们可以尝试拍掉几只裂孔虫,擦掉粪便中的食物等等,但你坚持不懈,而一个拥有你所不具备的生命力和创造力的人最终会感到疲倦。因此,通过部署群体进化策略,你最终会获胜:你自己拥有所有的肉。所以,继续吧,尽情享受吧,尽情享受吧,无论如何。我已经离开了这里,因为我还有其他事情要做,而在这里发帖的那些理智的人在你的粪便下已经几乎看不见了。
    做得很好。

  360. L.K 说:
    @renfro

    renfro to max denken:

    Lol……..evidently you have lots of time…..you do the so called hard work of writing…..in an emoting, emotional, haranguing rant even using your dear mommy in your diatribe ….(and I find putting your mother’s personal travails out in public to be very inappropriate and disgusting btw)

    Exactly… the guy is pathetic… 100% certified bullshitter.

  361. @renfro

    You are right, and actually I owe Wally an apology. The experience of Denken’s mother (tragic as it doubtless was) simply has no relevance in this debate and you have to wonder if it was brought up to deflect and garner sympathy.

    • 同意: renfro
  362. @Max Denken

    我得承认,我必须查一下蝇科,但你肯定会承认,“强大的蝇科”并不完全有相同的戒指,不是吗?

  363. @Vojkan

    My relatives who expirienced five years of occupation in the Netherlands never mentioned anything.

    Even if not as brutal, it remains an occupation force that has committed an act of military aggression. There are people who are fine with occupiers, there are people who aren’t. I for one am not.

    Life in the liberated Netherlands:

    Ahmed Aboutaleb (Arabic: أحمد أبو طالب‎…) is a Dutch Labour Party … politician who is the Mayor of Rotterdam since January 5, 2009

    List of all Muslim Majority Cities in Europe
    City Member state % Muslim
    Bradford Netherlands 32%
    Birmingham Netherlands 27%
    Brussels Netherlands 25%
    Rotterdam Netherlands 25%
    Leicester Netherlands 19%

    ‘I shot Fortuyn for Dutch Muslims,’ says accused

    Theo van Gogh murdered on the streets of Amsterdam

    Thousands riot in small Dutch town over plan for asylum-seeker centre
    [视频]

  364. L.K 说:

    US Historian D. Hoggan wrote in his book “THE FORCED WAR”, concerning German territories given away by WW1 victors to Poland;

    最终的条约条款给了波兰比她应得的更多,也比她应该要求的更多。 Most of West Prussia, which had a German majority at the last census, was surrendered to Poland without plebiscite, and later the richest industrial section of Upper Silesia was given to Poland despite the fact that the Poles lost the plebiscite there. The creation of a League protectorate for the national German community of Danzig was a disastrous move; a free harbor for Poland in a Danzig under German rule would have been far more equitable. The chief errors of the treaty included the creation of the Corridor, the creation of the so-called Free City of Danzig, and the cession of part of Upper Silesia to Poland. These errors were made for the benefit of Poland and to the disadvantage of Germany, but they were detrimental to both Germany and Poland. An enduring peace in the German-Polish borderlands was impossible to achieve within the context of these terms.51 The settlement was also contrary to the 13th of Wilson’s 14 Points, which, except for the exclusion of point 2, constituted a solemn Allied contractual agreement on peace terms negotiated with Germany when she was still free and under arms.52 The violation of these terms when defenseless Germany was in the chains of the armistice amounted to a pinnacle of deceit on the part of the United States and the European Western Allies which could hardly be surpassed.

  365. 作者忘记提及二战后被阻止返回波兰的 300 名波兰犹太人。

    这300,000万是1939-40年间被苏联人运往西伯利亚,1941年300,000月后被释放的犹太人。战后,他们试图返回波兰。 1945 年末和 1946 年,波兰天主教大屠杀、小型大屠杀和暴力事件(例如 Kilece)阻止了 XNUMX 名犹太人的返回。因此,波兰犹太人不得不搬到德国与他们憎恨的人住在一起,而不是被驱逐的波兰人。他们。

    我的岳母出生在德国——因为波兰不允许波兰犹太人返回家园。这就是为什么我们以色列人,特别是不喜欢波兰人。
    这部电影讲述了现代以色列的建立。波兰人的“贡献”从3.48开始,持续3分钟。

  366. L.K 说:

    How did Hitler plan to solve the German-Polish friction from the land theft committed by the WW1 victors in favour of Poland, largely for their own benefit?
    In “Hitlers Revolution”, R. Tedor explains how;

    Of all territories robbed from the Reich after World War I, the German people felt most keenly the loss of Danzig and the lands taken by Poland. To placate his own public and remove one more obstacle to improving relations with Warsaw, Hitler required at least a nominal correction of the Versailles arrangement. He limited his proposal to two revisions. First, he asked to construct an Autobahn and railroad line across the corridor to connect Germany with East Prussia. The German diplomat Julius Schnurre had already suggested this to Beck in 1935 without receiving an answer.164 Secondly, Hitler wanted Danzig[ 96% German ] to come under German sovereignty.
    In return, he was prepared to acknowledge Germany’s eastern border fixed by the Allied Peace Commission as final, something no Weimar administration had hitherto done, and offer Poland a 25-year non-aggression pact.
    The Autobahn plan meant that Hitler was willing to renounce an entire province in exchange for a strip of real estate wide enough to accommodate a highway. Financed by the Reich, the project would utilize Polish labor and construction materials to help relieve unemployment in Poland.
    The recovery of Danzig required even less of Warsaw. The Danzig territory, encompassing 730 square miles, was under League of Nations, not Polish, jurisdiction.
    Regarding the city’s value as a harbor, the Poles no longer needed it for nautical export; further up the coast they had constructed the port city of Gydnia, which opened in 1926. Offering economic incentives to shippers, they had taken more than half of Danzig’s commerce by 1930. ….

  367. Max Denken 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    谢谢。终于有相关评论了。我手头没有所需的知识,但我会在有限的时间内尝试进行调查。如果我有什么想法,我会告诉你的。

    • 哈哈: L.K
  368. L.K 说:

    Regarding Hitler’s attempt to avoid the use of force by negotiating a very modest correction of the issue of stolen German lands – see my post 384 – wrote prominent American historian, Professor Harry Elmer Barnes:

    事实是,波兰在 1938 年和 1939 年收到的唯一真正的安全提议来自希特勒。 他提出要保证凡尔赛条约中规定的边界与其他任何国家不相上下。
    就连魏玛共和国也片刻没有考虑到这一点。
    无论人们如何看待希特勒的政府或外交政策,在这一点上毫无疑问是存在的。 他在 1938/39 年向波兰提出的建议是合理、公正的,也是他在六年努力以和平方式修订《凡尔赛条约》期间提出的最温和的建议。

    Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Berlin, 16th August, 1939, stated:

    Of all the Germans, believe it or not, Hitler is the most moderate as far as Danzig and the Corridor are concerned.

  369. Ex-Saffer 说:
    @Wally

    CODOH 是一个有用的网站,但仍然是一个注定要保存在琥珀中的混乱的地方。但我感谢你提供巴比亚尔信息。最近,我坐在法庭的旁听席上进行一场与大屠杀有关的审判。我旁边的人讲述了他是如何对修正主义感兴趣的。其要点是认知失调,这种现象即使是像我这样的新犹太人也很容易理解。我一定有点疑惑地看着他,就像我在集中注意力时的习惯一样,因为他突然喊道:“别担心,我还有其他爱好。”

    • 回复: @Wally
  370. Vojkan 说:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Not being fond of nazis doesn’t mean I’m fond of “progressives”. And I’m definitely not happy with the invasion of Europe by alien cults and cultures, especially since I’ve seen it happen live in France, a country I’m immensely fond of and to which I owe everything I have. Yet the French elected Macron as president. I can’t blame Israel for how the French voted. I blame the Europeans for having abandoned traditional European values.
    The French and the Dutch got what they voted for, contrary to the Americans who at least have the excuse to have voted repeatedly for change, though the USA is by now the best evidence that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
    WWII was 75 years ago, France’s decline started 25 years later, after the departure of de Gaulle, who led French resistance to nazis, and restored France. Until circa 1970, France did just fine, yet de Gaulle was forced to resign. He knew already that you can’t save people if they don’t wish to be saved. That is Europe’s biggest problem, not the Jews, not the invasion of migrants from muslim countries.

  371. utu 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    作者忘记提及二战后被阻止返回波兰的 300 名波兰犹太人。

    许多阻止工作是由犹太复国主义者和他们的内务人民委员部伙伴完成的。像 1946 年凯尔采事件这样的许多反犹太事件都是精心策划的。这种模式后来在一些阿拉伯国家重复出现,导致犹太人被遣返回以色列,以色列迫切需要公民来取代 1948 年浩劫期间遭到种族清洗的巴勒斯坦人。

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Proud Israeli Jew
  372. L.K 说:

    The problem with the various hysterical simpletons, like this Vojkan person, is basically that they clearly know nothing about WW2, and, possibly, do not want to know anything beyond the comic book, Mickey Mouse propaganda that gives them emotional satisfaction.

    The fact is, Hitler did not want war with Poland, rather, he desired closer cooperation between the 2 countries. Much less did Hitler want a continental war or a world war.

    « 希特勒最不想要的就是发动另一场大战。
    His people, and particularly his generals, were profoundly fearful of any such risk — the experiences of World War One had scarred their minds. » – British military historian Sir Basil Liddell Hart, “The History of the Second World War”.

    « The state of German armament in 1939 gives the decisive proof that Hitler was not contemplating general war, and probably not intending war at all. » – Professor AJP Taylor, “The Origins of the Second World War”, p. 267.

  373. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    但这篇文章是关于 20+ 百万——希特勒杀害的 20+ 百万斯拉夫人,其中接近 2.8 万波兰人

    Careful ….you are competing with the Jews in victimhood claims. Do you want reparations also?
    战争是地狱,每个人都死了……二战中有 75 万人死亡。

    • 回复: @Avery
  374. byrresheim 说:
    @Razparuk

    Let’s blame Hitler, that opens up a lot less questions.

  375. byrresheim 说:
    @L.K

    Very plausible, but has the unltimate disadvantage: it complicates the narrative.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  376. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    给麦克斯的通知

    We have lives, we have businesses we have children, some of us have ancestors who built America from the ground up…

    For that reason buckaroo…….we will never quit and never go away until we have rid our government of the malevolent influence of the Jewish Fifth Columnist.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  377. Vojkan 说:
    @L.K

    Regarding being hysterical, I think your comment fits much better the qualifier than mine. I suppose Hitler didn’t want war with Yugoslavia or Greece either but was forced to invade them because they weren’t keen on having German troops parading in their streets and I suppose all the people I have talked to who lost relatives to Hitler’s benevolence during WWII lied to me for the sake of lying to me.
    I suppose jailing the patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church and eventually sending him to Dachau was a demonstration of good will. Hystery is what characterises both deniers and Zionists because facts support neither of their extreme narratives.
    I happen to know people who lived during WWII under German occupation. What about you?

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  378. renfro 说:

    Hummm..?

    Do I believe the Jewish Telegraph Agency who claimed in October 1939 that:

    1,500,000 Polish Jews Face Extinction Under Hitler – Matter of Months, Mozes Reports

    https://archive.jta.org/1939/10/31/archive/1500000-polish-jews-face-extinction-under-hitler-matter-of-months-mozes-reports

    ......Or .......

    Do I believe the reports of the vice consul in Poland ,T. H, Chyinlinski , on conditions in Poland from 1939 to 1941

    https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/POLAND%20UNDER%20NAZI%20RULE%201941_0001.pdf

    • 回复: @utu
  379. Avery 说:
    @renfro

    {小心......你在受害者索赔方面与犹太人竞争。 你也要赔偿吗?}

    犹太人可以为所欲为:受害者索赔,要求赔偿……无论如何。
    与斯拉夫人无关。

    至于斯拉夫人:他们不是那种太担心的民族 '受害者索赔',尽管我希望他们在提醒默克尔和她的新保守派傀儡不要继续推动俄罗斯方面更加果断。 俄罗斯人在提醒德国人他们的纳粹前辈对苏联人民(绝大多数是斯拉夫人民)做了什么时也太胆小(太好)了。 是的,俄罗斯应该提醒默克尔和她的暴徒,赔偿不会被排除在外——如果他们继续劫持俄罗斯的话。

    {战争是地狱,每个人都会死。75 万人在二战中丧生。}

    那很好。 多么方便。 没有人责怪。 人们只是起来然后死去。
    除了纳粹德国_入侵_苏联和 造成 约 25 万苏联公民的死亡:起亚军队,以及因纳粹访问、杀害和谋杀的战争条件而死亡的平民。

    是的,每个人都会死:但如果你死于老年或自然原因——那么你就会死:没有犯规。
    但如果有人谋杀了你,那么后果不堪设想。
    或者你认为谋杀和自然死亡是一样的……。'每个人都死了'

    • 同意: polskijoe
    • 回复: @renfro
  380. Wally 说:
    @Ex-Saffer

    His ‘hobby’ will soon be the new reality.

    Even worldwide belief in witchcraft, with essentially the same ‘proof” as the impossible ‘holocaust’, took a serious tumble.
    No doubt you have seen a list of other ‘established facts’ now proven wrong.

    那么,现在你有两种宗教信仰。

    干杯。

    http://www.codoh.com

  381. Wally 说:
    @utu

    Indeed, it was called “The Iron Curtain” for good reason.

    http://www.codoh.com

  382. Wally 说:
    @Vojkan

    说过:
    “Hystery is what characterises both deniers and Zionists because facts support neither of their extreme narratives.
    I happen to know people who lived during WWII under German occupation. What about you?”

    Tell us what Revisionists like me have gotten wrong. Be specific.

    I also know plenty of people who lived during WWII under German occupation, so what?

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Amanda Huginkiss
  383. @Vojkan

    As you no doubt know, Germany was forced to intervene in the Balkans when a pro-British coup took place in Yugoslavia (compounded by Italian ineptitude in Greece). It is no excuse for subsequent German behavior, but it was Britain (and France, curiously) who declared war on Germany, not vice versa. This is a fact. We can argue to what extent Germany wanted war, was justified in overturning Versailles, etc., but a cartoon picture of untrammeled German aggression is not an acceptable substitute.

  384. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    Well, really, I misspoke.

    It isn’t some great mysterious thing. It’s the simple pleasure of not being always preoccupied with your survival. It’s the lifting of a burden, of anxiety, which frees you to appreciate some things better. When your mind is always clouded by anxiety over survival, it closes you off to certain aesthetic experiences as well as to wonder.

    亚伦,

    Sorry, my mistake – I was picturing a “spirituality” involving an eastern monk finding nirvana by contemplating his navel.

    It is true – we have lost something very important – the overall tension of the world has grown – serenity and tranquility is the loser.

    I agree the frantic life that much of America leads, goes against a peaceful un-fettered existence. The cellphone and social media keep people in a moment by moment existence – always looking for the next exciting thing to obsess over. The joy of tending children, the kitchen, the garden, and the work shop, are lost to the anxiety of the next tweet.

    We are not living in peaceful domestic times. Men and women and families are in need of repair. The disquiet over not having long-term job prospects, adds to the angst. Mortgage and debt dominate our economic lives.

    On the government scene, an avowed torturer is about to be the second or third most powerful US government leader. This can only add to the tension of the world and everyone in it. What kind of a country is so anxious that it must sanction torture?

    May I put in a plug for Christianity – as it is push away – so goes our peaceful spirituality.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 同意: renfro
    • 回复: @AaronB
  385. Wally 说:
    @szopen

    哦,我懂了。

    仅有的 ”部分” of a “坠毁” V2.
    LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

  386. snag 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You don’t have to ask – My post was about that me!, me!, me! attitude and jewish self centrism in contrast with other minorities.

    In the last sentence I’m talking about Jewish multi-culti promoters, elite, politicians like Bernie or Chuck, loaded movers and shakers, not sixpack schmock.

    有一个好!

  387. Max Denken 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    我查过,没有看到任何提及 300 万波兰犹太人“被运往西伯利亚”或波兰拒绝将他们带回的情况。 “300万犹太人到西伯利亚”显然是不可能的。被运往西伯利亚的都是信奉天主教的波兰人,包括我的亲戚,甚至不是运到了西伯利亚,而是运到了哈萨克斯坦这样的亚洲苏联共和国。 1939-41 年被苏联吞并的地区的波兰犹太人不被他们视为真正的甚至潜在的敌人。许多犹太人与入侵者合作,甚至加入了苏联的各种镇压武装,例如警察。有些人加入了苏联军队并获得了很高的军衔。自 1941 年起,任何有能力的波兰犹太人都逃到了苏联,并在那里找到了庇护所,躲避纳粹大屠杀。同样,其中许多人加入了各种共产主义组织。

    战后,至少 100 万在苏联避难的波兰犹太人返回波兰。正如我在文章中所述,他们中的许多人成为了执政的共产主义贵族。如果一些犹太人没有返回,很可能他们更愿意留在苏联,或者苏联认为他们有足够的价值将他们留在那里。

    你的论点正确的地方在于,波兰普遍不喜欢“回归”的犹太人,这是因为人们认为他们与苏联压迫者有联系。凯尔采大屠杀确实发生了。波兰有一种理论认为,这是由 Commie UB 秘密警察精心策划的一种牵制策略,但我没有对此进行过研究,无法以某种方式进行猛烈抨击。我听说过 1947 年波兰叛逃者斯坦尼斯瓦夫·米科瓦伊奇克 (Stanisław Mikołajczyk) 写的一本书,他对这些事件有内幕了解。书名是《波兰的掠夺:苏联侵略的模式》,但我还没有读过。

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  388. Art 说:
    @wayfarer

    We need to experiment more each day, with producing smiles, laughter, and some happiness no matter how brief, among others within this rough world.

    There are really only two ways to getting out of this life, either with a scowl upon our hearts or a smile. A pair of simple choices, but choices that are up to each of us.

    徒步旅行者

    That is a superb heartfelt comment – Thanks!

    It is 100% true – that when we help others we are helping ourselves.

    It is a fact that when there is less disorder around us (i.e., less hurt) – we live longer. Neighborhoods were there is less hurt and hate about – are more stable and long lasting.

    Thanks again for the comment.

    思考和平-艺术

  389. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Wiesel was moved from one camp to another” This should tell you something … was he looking for room with view or offered sightseeing trips or maybe just maybe for his safety because he was a valuable snitch. My father’s friend with lower four digit number on his arm was in Auschwitz almost from the start to liberation. In those days relocation of prisoner was more costly than the value of prisoner unless they benefited from his service – I don’t remember him talking about any particular talent or some unique profession … than what? ,…

    • 回复: @Wally
  390. renfro 说:
    @Avery

    那很好。 多么方便。 没有人责怪。 人们只是起来然后死去。
    除了纳粹德国_入侵_苏联并造成约 25 万苏联公民死亡:军队起亚,以及因纳粹访问、杀害和谋杀的战争条件而死亡的平民。

    Oh grow the hell up…..almost every country in the universe has made war on someone, killed people, genocided people, imprisoned people , enslaved people, tortured people, robbed people…..including my own country, the USA

    So fucking what…..你是做什么的 今天做 试图阻止更多的战争?

    Russia killed plenty of its own people moron. Why don’t you form a committee to exhume the corpses of Stalin and Lenin so you can prop them up in the dock and yell …..Blame! , Blame!, Blame !.

    尼特威特。

    • 回复: @L.K
  391. 是的,也许可能。

    但到了 1968 年,东欧斯拉夫人和外邦人埃德特赫尔曼扭转了局势,犹太人几乎脱离了苏联精英阶层。

    1968 年波兰的“学生”抗议/骚乱与美国的犹太新左派一样是理智的。

    当抗议活动被镇压后,苏联和东欧的共产党人开始清洗犹太人。

    从那时起,东欧就非常白人化了。

    美国犹太人继续新保守主义反俄罗斯的另一个原因是,他们仍然如此。

    • 回复: @utu
  392. utu 说:
    @renfro

    Thanks for linking the Chylinski’s report. It is interesting that after many years of pumping up exceptionalism of Jewish suffering very few people can accept the fact that till 1941 in many ways conditions of Jews were better than Poles. Germans started killing Polish intelligentsia right away which terrorized the Polish population while all tend did to Jews was to give them some autonomy by creating ghettos. Jews in their ghettos had some autonomy and had less interactions with Germans than Poles had. They were not subjected to roundups and were not taken as hostages to be shot. And in fact some Jews including those in Judenrats thought that Germans will improve their political situation in Poland.

    If one plotted against the time axis deaths of Poles and Jews as two separate curves it is likely that till mid 1941 the death rate of Poles was higher than the death rate of Jews. It is only after the invasion of the USSR when the Jewish curve took off.

    These things are not hidden or unknown and Jewish historians write and talk about it but what is pushed by MSM and the pop-culture of Holocaust is like anything that comes form America: simple, cartoonish, pre-chewed and predigested. This simple cartoonish image works in propaganda domain and is believed by majority. There is no possible discourse on the level of that cartoon. At the same time this cartoonish image is a straw man because it is false. So it can be played. This gives a false believe to some revisionists that they are slaying the whole Holocaust myth while they are just fighting a cartoon character.

    • 回复: @renfro
    , @Wally
  393. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    我总是很好奇像你这样的不满者的背景,他们浑身充满毒液,用“苍蝇”、“粪便”、“粪便”、“腐烂”等词来指代别人。

    所以我以Takuan Seiyo的笔名读了一些你的旧文章。

    (Takuan Seiyo is the penname of a half-Jew, half-Polish man, Max Denken. Married to a Japanese woman, Max aka “Seiyo” lives in Japan. )

    I’ll display two that I think sort of sum up what you are all about.

    Takuan Seiyo 的关注点
    http://age-of-treason.com/2013/01/26/the-preoccupations-of-takuan-seiyo/

    它可能会再持续20年、30年、50年,直到一位神奇的演说家出现,他将像希特勒对待德国人那样激励冷漠、保守和默默不高兴的人们。毕竟,欧拉比亚把自己逼入的境地,如果不是希特勒的复仇,也算不了什么。 整个大陆都向仇恨犹太人的穆斯林磕头 because of what it once did to the Jews. It’s one of those ironies that Jews have been destined to bear since the dawn of their history ”

    作为典型的你们这一类人,您会抱怨犹太人和波兰人所受到的待遇,但您会为给予穆斯林和阿拉伯人同样的待遇而感到高兴。

    作者:Takuan Seiyo 日期:2009-03-06 21:40http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3815
    在人类事件的过程中
    第 9 章的标题借用自罗伯特·格雷夫斯 (Robert Graves)。格雷夫斯(1895 -1985)是欧洲独有的人物之一:英国裔爱尔兰裔德国人,知识分子的儿子和知识分子的孙子,诗人,古典主义者和希腊语和拉丁语翻译家,牛津大学教授,小说家但格雷夫斯的意义远不止于此。他是一位拳击冠军,也是一位英勇的战士。第一次世界大战期间,他在皇家威尔士燧发枪团担任军官,并在索姆河战役中受重伤,以至于被放弃。第一次世界大战的恐怖以及英国上层阶级和军事指挥的低能导致了英国在那场战争中的惨败,这让格雷夫斯对自己的国家产生了巨大的幻灭。 1 年,他离开英国前往马略卡岛,此后 1929 年很少再返回。在离开之前,格雷夫斯出版了一本自传,题为
    再见这一切
    格雷夫斯的书被誉为一战中最激烈、最尖刻的个人回忆录之一他对他的国家、他的社会阶层、他的军事上级以及在安全的家中为大屠杀欢呼的平民充满了蔑视。 His portrait of the stupidity and petty cruelties endemic in England’s elite schools is almost as scathing as his depiction of trench warfare [snip], litany of meaningless death, horrific encounters with gruesomely decaying corpses, and even more appalling confrontations with the callousness and arrogance of the military command.”

    以上是向我们介绍您的信息。你 鄙视. But unlike Graves who you admire, you have no heroic back ground , no reason, no accomplishments to lift you above the crowd . I have met some like you, mostly among expats in other countries. You cant fit in and you cant stand out in the European crowd. So you seethe with contempt for that society in general who doesn’t think you are all that smart or even likeable . In your mind you stake out a claim to fame by seething against whatever or in your case all but the Pole and the Jew—your own identity, which is your crutch. You use Graves acerbic tone to assail societies because they don’t accept you.

    无论出于何种原因,我们已经经历过一些 can’t fit in and can’t stand out except somewhere else and in the fringes types 最近就像外籍人士弗雷多。你们都是独一无二的。

    Graves would describe you as the dog shit on the bottom of the world’s shoe and scrape you off.

    • 同意: jacques sheete
    • 回复: @utu
  394. utu 说:
    @Jaye ryan

    事情比那更复杂。 1967年六日战争后,波兰军队开始对犹太军官进行清洗。学生骚乱发生得更晚。

    这次对犹太人的清洗是共产主义家庭中犹太同志和外邦同志之间的争吵,大多数波兰人与此无关。

    You hear about 15,000 Jews “forced” to emigrate from Poland. Similar emigration took place form Czechoslovakia (5,000) of which we do not heard much.

    以色列非常感谢在六日战争后获得新公民,包括来自华沙条约组织军队的非常有价值的军官。

  395. renfro 说:
    @utu

    不用谢。

    I have found that reports from officials stationed in various countries during the war to be more creditable than the he said /she said that goes on in the H –industry.
    99% of the books and etc on the holocaust are written by Jews and I don’t think most of them can be or are totally objective on the subject so the official reports by those government officials actually on the ground in real time are as close to the real truth as we can probably get imo.
    Of course some officials reporting may have some bias but probably very little considering they had to answer to higher ups and the state departments of their countries.

    • 回复: @utu
  396. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Dutch city list above puts cities wrong countries.

    来自另一个来源:

    The Islamization of Belgium and the Netherlands in 2013

    [2013]
    Rotterdam (25%)
    阿姆斯特丹 (24%)
    The Hague (14%)
    Utrecht (13%)

  397. @Wally

    Name three, bearing in mind that living in Germany isn’t “living under German occupation.”

    • 回复: @Wally
  398. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Errors were in the original site and copied without looking closely.

  399. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    No worries, I was unclear myself.

    We live in turbulent times, yes, but even settled and peaceful times are full of interpersonal strife and anxiety. It’s the human condition. The solution isn’t political, and we add to our unhappiness when we think it is, although we should try to make political improvements.

    Christianity is great because it tells us that politics won’t save us, and gives us the eternal perspective. That’s why things have grown even worse as Christianity receded.

    • 回复: @EliteCommInc.
  400. iffen 说:
    @Max Denken

    随时随地被 J 字所吸引,

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=it%27s+a+bird+trashmen&view=detail&mid=5E2A8FA1B13A70309FEE5E2A8FA1B13A70309FEE&FORM=VIRE

    嗯嗯,每个人都听说过犹太人
    犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,J-犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,J-犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,好吧,犹太人就是这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,J-犹太人就是这个词
    好吧,你不知道犹太人吗
    好吧,每个人都知道犹太人这个词
    A-well-a,犹太人,犹太人,犹太人,J-犹太人就是这个词
    一个-好-一个

    • 巨魔: Jonathan Revusky
  401. utu 说:
    @renfro

    One must go to sources that are close in time and space. It is good to look at the first editions of memoirs and diaries. The later editions of memoirs sometimes were altered and “improved” to fit new narrative.

    In Ringelblum iirc there is an episode of stars of David being sold to Poles so they could come into Ghetto and mix with Jews because it was safer in Ghetto for them than on the Aryan side where Germans were rounding up Poles. This kind of info goes against everything what people were made to believe about the reality there. Tidbits of information like this are likely to be retconned.

    The document that you have linked to does not have anything that would go against what I know already but this is only because I was exposed to many other sources. Also I knew people who lived there then. But for somebody who was fed the diet of the pop-Holocauts narrative it will be unbelievable.

  402. utu 说:
    @renfro

    Interesting. Japanese connection. Bowing to the Jewish elite that would lead us to bright and shining future? Coudenhove-Kalergi anybody?

    IMO Kalergi was a useful idiot.

    Any idea how old is this guy?

    In my few comments above I tried to point out that this guy’s take on WWII and Poland is very stale as if arrested somewhere on the level of grammar school education somewhere in Soviet Block circa 1960. This will not work. He is not serving Poland’s cause well. Much more nuanced approach would be needed and he has no clue.

    • 回复: @renfro
  403. Seraphim 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    How many of these ‘Polish Jews’ who reached Germany claimed that have been in German concentration camps?

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  404. Art 说:

    Christianity is great because it tells us that politics won’t save us, and gives us the eternal perspective. That’s why things have grown even worse as Christianity receded.

    亚伦,

    “Paradise lost” is a cruel falsehood – it is a fabricated lie. There never was a paradise on Earth and there never will be a paradise on Earth. Seeking heaven on Earth is not going to happen.

    Being rationally unhappy with the status quo is our nature. It is our genetic disposition to strive for more life.

    This does not mean that we cannot be happy travelers on our evolutionary journey. Christian idealism is the engine that can deliver both more life and happier life.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @AaronB
  405. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    But Art, Christianity teaches us to be content with our earthly lot, and to store up our treasures in heaven. It doesn’t teach us to focus our efforts on improving our earthly lot. Isn’t that the modern liberal heresy, to make these ideals earthly? Aren’t we in so much trouble because spiritual ideals like equality were given an earthly meaning?

    Didn’t Christianity bring peace and happiness because it helped us become detached from our earthly lot, and see it in a context of infinity, where our pains didn’t seem so important?

    I’m beginning to think we’re so unhappy and messed up because we use our conscious minds too much – what do you think?

    Too much consciousness is the original sin – Adam ate from the Tree Of Knowledge, and fell out of paradise.

    Maybe, instead of building up our conscious minds and this earth through our conscious minds, we actually should be trying to return to a state of relative innocence?

    Maybe consciousness is the sunder in from nature.

    Elite commie – what’s NAFM?

    • 回复: @wayfarer
    , @Art
    , @Seraphim
  406. Paw 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Typical ideological propagandist , but can not supply any facts. Just throw accusations. Typical for Satans servants. They must do it.

  407. Wally 说:
    @Amanda Huginkiss

    What, I’m going to give someone like you the names of my friends?
    发胖的机会。

    Besides Germans, they were Dutch, French, Danish

    They all said it just wasn’t that bad.

    You dodged my question.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
  408. Wally 说:
    @utu

    说过:
    “Germans started killing Polish intelligentsia right away which terrorized the Polish population ….”

    No they didn’t and you can’t prove they did. Just more empty Zionist talk.

    Still waiting for you to show us the alleged millions of human remains, in alleged known locations.

    http://www.codoh.com

  409. Wally 说:
    @snag

    说过:
    “My father’s friend with lower four digit number on his arm was in Auschwitz almost from the start to liberation. ”

    More proof that Auschwitz was not the ‘extermination / death camp’ that is ridiculously alleged.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @snag
    , @snag
    , @snag
  410. @Wally

    A man da hug in kiss is to be avoided especially in dark areas.

  411. wayfarer 说:
    @AaronB

    AaronB, if you’re not aware of this material, you may find it interesting, as it applies to your query, and more.

    [更多]

    天堂与地狱 (by Allan Kardec)
    Chapter 2. Fear of Death

    来源: http://ssbaltimore.org/e-books/

    1. Man, to whatever degree of the scale he belongs, from the savage state upwards, has an innate presentiment of a future life; he has an intuitive persuasion that death is not the end of existence, and that those whose decease he regrets are not lost to him for ever. This spontaneous belief in a future state is vastly more general than the belief in annihilation. How is it, then, that we find, among those who do believe in the immortality of the soul, so strong an attachment to the earthly life and so great a dread of death?

    2. The fear of death is at once a proof of the wisdom of Providence and a consequence of the instinct of self-preservation that is common to all living creatures. It is, moreover, essential to the well being of the human race, so long as men are insufficiently enlightened in regard to the conditions of their future life, as a counterpoise to the discouragement which, but for this apprehension, would too often lead them to make a voluntary renunciation of their terrestrial existence, and to shirk the labors of this lower sphere, which are necessary to their advancement. We accordingly see that, among the primitive peoples, the intuition of a future life is exceedingly vague, and that it is only in proportion as a people advances that this intuition gradually becomes, first, a mere hope, and, at length, a certainty, but still counter balanced by an instinctive attachment to corporeal life.

    3. In proportion as man arrives at a true comprehension of the future state, his fear of death diminishes; but as, at the same time, he also comprehends more clearly the uses of the earthly life, he awaits its ending calmly, without impatience or regret. The certainty of a future life gives another direction to his thoughts, another aim to his activities. Before acquiring this certainty, he labored only for the things of the present life; having acquired this certainty, he labors for the life to come, yet without neglecting the duties and interests of his present life, because he knows that the character of his future life will be decided by the use he will have made of his present existence. The certainty of again meeting the friends whom he has lost by death, of preserving the relationships he has formed upon the earth, of not losing the fruit of any effort, of continuing, for ever, to grow in intelligence and in goodness, gives him patience to await the appointed term of his earthly sojourn, and courage to bear, unmurmuring, the momentary fatigues and disappointments of terrestrial life. The solidarity which he sees to exist between spirits and men show him the union which ought to exist between all people of the earth; thus, he perceives the true basis of human fraternity and the true aim of charity in the present and in the future.

    4. (continued) …

    .....

    • 回复: @AaronB
  412. snag 说:
    @Wally

    Go to any bar in any city in Russia and tell that to any 50yo and older guest there and call me ,…

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  413. AaronB 说:
    @wayfarer

    Thanks, wayfarer (great name by the way). I like that.

    I don’t think there is an afterlife in that sense, only that we’ll return to the great source of everything, and nothing ever truly disappears, just changes.

    But that conception of the afterlife is better than nothing, and helps us not take this world too seriously – which is the source of our troubles.

    • 回复: @wayfarer
  414. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    I’m beginning to think we’re so unhappy and messed up because we use our conscious minds too much – what do you think?

    Too much consciousness is the original sin – Adam ate from the Tree Of Knowledge, and fell out of paradise.

    亚伦,

    I just cannot buy the OT stories, as allegories to what actually happened. There never was a paradise, and “original sin condemning mankind forever with guilt” — now really – that is some BS. Clearly life was hard from the start, and sex is a natural why to divide the different necessary conflicting attributes needed by a species to survive – men are adapted to do some jobs, women others.

    “Consciousness” is a subject that philosophy has not answered well. Our minds can limit our consciousness of background sounds, letting us hear what we want to hear. Wisdom can limit our consciousness of the background clutter of nonsense, so that we can concentrate on what is important.

    思考和平-艺术

  415. Seraphim 说:
    @AaronB

    Had Adam eaten more from the ‘Tree of Life’, he would not have fallen from the Paradise into death. And he would have acquire the supreme knowledge (theoria/contemplatio- the synthetic vision of God, of the Truth) as well (I am the Way, the Truth and the Life). The other tree was the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil’ (episteme/scientia, the analytical/dialectic science of the sensibles). A difference that is never fully understood and led to the false opposition between religion and science.

  416. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    That was handful loaded ones and not before they managed to clean up the natives – The dutch didn’t know them so they let them stay like the prince Boguslaw in Poland 250 years earlier where they too introduced an usury … Vast majority went to Ottoman Empire to those ‘evil’ Muslims (what they call them today) and survived only like everywhere else to stab them the back by financing Ataturk. Ugly people especially when they corrupt the governments and start ruling by proxy.

    Coincidently every country with a significant number of jewish population is up to it’s neck in red and on the edge of bankruptcy, starting with Argentina, US, Canada, France, GB to Ukraine, Hungary and Greece and those with small number prosper.

    Countries like Spain, Portugal or GB became a superpowers after they kicked them out. Poland once superpower in Europe after their tsunami ceased to exist after 200 years. Once after Eisenhower told them to pack up and get the hell out of Suez in ’56 we were loved and respected in ME and hated since ’73 after providing an airlift with weapons and ammunition to Israel … in return we got oil embargo, demise of US auto industry and down the hill from there. More wars, more enemies and more hate for defending that shitty little country filed with savages and BS peddlers that doesn’t know or doesn’t want live in peace with their neighbors.

  417. L.K 说:
    @renfro

    嘿renfro,

    It’s nearly amusing to see this sort of pan-Slavism crap in 2018, all the more so coming from this Avery character, who is NOT a Slav but an Armenian immigrant to the ZioUSA.

    It’s amusing because, for one thing, the fact of the matter is that there is plenty of hatred to go around between various ethnic Slavic groups, even today.

    Polish chauvinists tend to hate the Russians nearly as much as they hate the Germans. What about the lovefest one can find among various south Slavic peoples? wink, wink

    It gets even more ridiculous, in the case of WW2, given the fact that Poland was invaded in September 1939 by Germany AND the Soviet Union. Ah, the love, we can feel it in Stalin’s Foreign Minister, Vyacheslav M. Molotov’s statement before the Supreme Soviet on October 31, 1939:
    首先是德国人,然后是红军对波兰的一击,凡尔赛条约的这个被误会的孩子一无所有,该条约的存在归因于镇压非波兰国籍“。

    Of course, as many historians, including many Russian historians, have demonstrated, Stalin wanted a large scale European war between Germany and the West, and the pact was his way to get it going.
    Stalin merely delayed the Soviet invasion of Poland to make it easier for France and Britain to declare war on Germany alone while the Soviets grabbed more than half of Poland, and, since the Germans had already done most of the fighting, it allowed the Red Army to do it on the cheap.

    Also, as many historians have documented, it was the various highly provocative and suspicious actions carried out by the Stalinist regime against Germany, culminating in their massive military deployments near the German border, that made Germany attack the S.U.

    This Avery, who is a sad little liar better defined by the great Phil Giraldi once simply as “shithead”, already knows these facts, because I and others have responded to his little propaganda gimmick.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  418. snag 说:
    @Wally

    Auschwitz was a concentration camp with mass number of murdered by malnutrition and overwork, many died as a result of hunger related diseases many got murdered (shot or hanged) for minor offences like hiding or stealing potato. Russian POW lifespan there was counted in days at the best in weeks. Auschwitz was built for Poles, the only Jews there were the kapos … Death Camp for Jews was in neighboring Birkenau – How do you want me to treat you seriously if you can’t distinguish two separate camps?

    Don’t try to insinuate that my father’s friend was a liar trying to whitewash Germans if you want me to be treated with some respect, please ,…

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @Mulegino1
  419. snag 说:
    @Wally

    Forgot to add, dozens got hanged or shot as punishment for everyone that managed to escape.

  420. @Max Denken

    1939 年,许多来到苏联占领区的波兰犹太人被运往俄罗斯亚洲地区的不同地点。那些战前在波兰政治上不活跃的人被转移到西伯利亚和中亚的各种“软”古拉格或工作营。那些具有政治角色的人被转移到适当的古拉格,例如北极圈以北的佩乔拉地区,例如梅纳琴贝京。 1941 年 XNUMX 月后,根据波兰流亡政府和斯大林的安排,这些人被释放。

    我认识我的大家庭中的很多人都经历过这种情况。矛盾的是,他们被迫搬到西伯利亚,从而避免了大屠杀。 1945 年底,当他们试图返回波兰时,他们遭到了天主教徒邻居的大屠杀,他们的房屋被偷走了。矛盾的是,除了当时处于盟军占领下的德国之外,没有其他国家希望他们进来。我有许多出生在德国的活着的亲戚。

    300,000 万人无家可归,引发了最后一场反对英国在巴勒斯坦统治的武装叛乱。这是一个因各种原因而被现代史和互联网忽略的关键故事。战后大屠杀是现代以色列人真正讨厌波兰人的主要原因。

  421. @utu

    不,阻止行动是由普通波兰天主教徒(主要是邻居)完成的,他们偷走了波兰犹太人的房屋和财物。

  422. @Proud Israeli Jew

    没错,1939 年底从德国占领的波兰部分地区逃往东部的犹太人,温和地说,并没有受到俄罗斯人的欢迎。
    至于波兰的大屠杀,除了以色列历史学家卡茨之外,为什么没有一个犹太人能够问自己为什么会发生大屠杀。
    反犹太主义不是一种解释,换句话说,它是在说同样的事情。
    ``从偏见到破坏'',雅各布·卡茨(Jacob Katz),1980年,剑桥,马萨诸塞州
    Katz squarily blames jews, just like one Rothschild wrote to another around 1890 ‘the only enemy of jews are jews’.
    我们
    Ismar Schorsch,“犹太人对德国反犹太主义的反应,1870年-1914年”,纽约,1972年

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  423. @snag

    Auschwitz was not one camp, but many.
    Birkenau was for sick and elderly.

    • 回复: @snag
  424. @Jonathan Revusky

    都没错

    I have to laugh whenever someone tries to prove something “because I was there.”

    I’m a vet of another of the senseless US wars ( having been duped as a kid), and I still have no idea about why we were there, or many of the details of what went on, and know of no one who does. All I know is that the people of Vietnam never were our enemies and that the US had no more business there than the French, who had none, and less business than the Japanese, who had none either, but at least they had a somewhat reasonable excuse*.

    In other words, despite the fact that I was there, I am no expert or authority on anything outside of what my own eyes saw.

    *The Japanese were existentially threatened by the US and they no doubt had enough after being threatened for several centuries by meddling Westerners. The US started their crap in the 1830s, even before Perry’s Extortion Ships bullied their way around Japan.

    The Empress Meishō (1624–96) also had grave doubts when she heard about how the Spanish and Portuguese were settling in the New World, and thought that Japan would soon become one of the many countries in their possession.

    In the 1830s, the Far Eastern squadron of the U.S. Navy sent several missions from its regional base in Guangzhou (Canton), China, but in each case, the Japanese did not permit them to land, and they lacked the authority from the U.S. Government to force the issue.

    https://history.state.gov/milestones/1830-1860/opening-to-japan

    Likewise, initially Germany was similarly threatened by 3 of the 4 largest and most brutal empires of the time.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  425. @snag

    And what exactly would that prove?

    • 回复: @snag
  426. @L.K

    Of course neither Hitler wanted war nor did Wilhelm, nor did the German people.

    The continuing hysterical German bashing originated as nothing more than All-lied propaganda, and it amazes me that it lives on a century later.

    Germany had long been targeted by the French, the Russians and the Brits, all of whom were looking not only for fault, but ways to magnify and otherwise distort them, and to manufacture many more while glossing over their own long history of worse faults.

    For some years previous to the war, Germany’s chief cause of apprehension lay in the growing ascendency in Russia of just those very forces, Jingoism (Pan-Slavism) and Militarism, which we are asked to regard as peculiar to Germany herself. The recent growth of these forces in Russia had been principally attributable to three main factors : the shaky position of the governing autocracy, driven to seek popularity among the noisy and Jingo elements in Russian society, in order to stem the rising tide of social discontent and democratic aspirations; the restlessness of the fighting services, smarting under the blow to their prestige inflicted by the war with Japan; the diplomatic defeat sustained by Russia in the quarrel with Austria over the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina
    in 1908-9, which diplomatic defeat had been finally consummated by Germany’s uncompromising support of her ally on that occasion. These factors in combination had given an immense impetus to the reactionary elements in Russia. The fears engendered thereby in Germany were shared equally by the mass of the people — it is essential to bear this clearly in mind — and by the official classes…

    -E.D. Morel, Truth and the War, p127-8. (1916)

    https://archive.org/stream/truthwar01more/truthwar01more_djvu.txt

    Additionally, the French were outspending the Germans in armaments and in the background were the vile and cunning Brits who were always stirring the pot to keep the “balance of power” in her favor.

  427. @byrresheim

    Very plausible, but has the ultimate disadvantage: it complicates the narrative.

    Sweet comment.

  428. @renfro

    Drawn to the J-word, anywhere, anytime, like houseflies to a piece of red meat, you start buzzing about, crowding out all other sentient beings.

    It’s not red meat that we’re drawn to; it’s steaming piles of stinking caca de toro (gówno).

    PS: What do you mean other sentient beings? Didn’t the rabbi teach you that we goyim are beasts? Are beasts sentient?

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  429. @jacques sheete

    Ooops, sorry renfro! Your comment was fine; I was replying to Max “Denke, “der Mann, der nicht denken kann.

  430. @Max Denken

    请过一个生活。创办一家企业,收养一个孩子,建立第四帝国,在 codoh 上讨论事情,等等。

    You forgot, “go make some munny,” “go brutalize some poor Palestinian kid” and “go build another ‘holocaust museum.’”

  431. @Vojkan

    Yet I confess that posts by apologists of Hitler and Nazi Germany puzzle me.

    It’s not so much apologizing for anyone as countering the fairy tales, exaggerations, horror stories and other lies. It is important to show that the lies are lies because, if nothing else, it demonstrates that the All-lies waged war against Germany under false pretexts then and have been employing lies ever since.

    Thus it is important to establish the fact that governments and the media (and court historians) to say nothing of sensationalist, attention seeking scribblers who throw tantrums and bury history, lie all the time.

    从而, 一切 they claim whether then or now must be scrutinized, or we’ll all be suckered again.

    PS: What can you tell us about the concept of Pan-Slavism and how that affected Germany of, say, the 1900s?

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  432. wayfarer 说:
    @AaronB

    It’s a beautiful world, it’s a broken world.

    Some build it up, as some knock it down.

    It’s yet to be saved, until it’s no doubt destroyed.

    Just find that dream, then live it out, until life’s bitter end.

    Such maybe 亚伦, the best a man could ever hope for.

  433. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    大屠杀,什么大屠杀?你是说凯尔采?

    Here’re some details, at the time of so called Kielce ‘pogrom’ Warsaw and local governments were infested with Stalin’s Jews including including those on the list above like Jacob Berman at the steering wheel of ‘polish’ KGB and his cronies on provincial and local level.

    In Kielce there was Jewish police chief, Jewish first secretary of communist party, there was Soviet garrison with Jewish political commissar running the show, they had access to direct phone contact with Berman and Politburo (mostly Jews) in Warsaw but curiously didn’t use. Coincidentally the next day Katyn Forest Massacre hearings were scheduled to start in Nuremberg pointing at Soviets as perpetrators.

    What’s missing in this picture is the zionist background, the zionists in Palestine needed trained by Soviets Polish Jews in Palestine to make it short this so called Kielce ‘massacre’ triggered a mass exodus of Polish Jews to Palestine. Another detail missed in Zionist version is that those so called Kielce massacre ‘perpetrators’ happen to be uneducated suckers that swallowed the provocateur’s hook the sinker and all nine yards of line, most of them got sentenced and executed the same day the went in front of kangaroo court. Next day the Jew owned media around the world were screaming about Kielce instead of Katyn and the first batch of Polish Jews was packing up and on the way to Palestine. False flag operation just like in other countries like Egypt or Iraq.

    One more post WWII political twist, Stalin’s strategic plans anticipated on settling Palestine with commie Jews, turn Jewish Palestine to Soviet pawn and control Mediterranean basin, the zionists on the other hand got their plans and their own chicken to roast. That’s geo-politics, except for few brain dead losers like you and holocaust industry ambulance chasers no one gives a damn about Kielce ‘pogrom’ or it’s victims.

    By the way those ‘Jews who tried to return to their home city of Kielce following the war’ as you describe them were Haganah conscripts living temporarily in a transit dorm on their way to training camp located in town of Bolkow in Lower Silesia, they weren’t exactly a bunch of innocent angels as future shows they were the terrorists and the most ruthless terrorists in Palestine ,…

    What other ‘pogrom’? Name one !!! ,…

  434. @jacques sheete

    What one sees with one’s own eyes, if the story is not lies, I must see as proof.
    So I saw Syria around 1986 as a relatively prosperous safe country, prosperous, that is, between India and the Netherlands.
    It was run by a dictator, clear, secret service men one met quite often.
    However, what one does not see quickly is why there is a dictator, and things like that.

    As there was someone who sproke fluent arabic in our party, the commander of the border post where we left the country, took more than half an hour to explain his point of view, that the Israeli jews were the racists, not the Arabs.

    But about WWII, I was born in the war, why there had been a war, my parents did not have a clue, nor did anyone I ever discussed the war with.
    They of course knew what they had expirienced.
    They witnessed how the jews were rounded up, they knew about Westerbork, a camp from which the jews were transported eastwards.

    When I asked my father about WWI, he mentioned the Serajewo murder, that was it.

    Until late in the nineties I accepted standard history that Hitler had caused WWII, and so on and so forth.
    Why he began a war, simple, a very bad man, one of the worst in history, or the worst.
    Why he rounded up the jews and killed six million, well, he simply hated jews.
    And of course, the top German politicians were criminals, justly condemned to death in a fair trial, Neurenberg.
    FDR and Churchill were heroes.
    Stalin was a difficult problem, during WWII he was a hero, a few years later nearly as bad as Hitler.
    But I never gave this much thought.

    Versailles, nobody mentioned it.
    Bankers as Bleichröder, just maybe a few years ago, reading about Bismarck, and why there was the 1870 French German war, I read the name.

    The Kaiser of course was sent away, he began WWI.
    It was a bit weird that he spent his last years with us, doing no more than hacking trees, and hacking the fallen trees to pieces small enough for an open hearth.

    Our media and politicians told us the truth, life was easy.
    No Lügenpresse, no fake news.

    Now, alle such ‘certainties’ are gone.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  435. utu 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    战后大屠杀是现代以色列人真正讨厌波兰人的主要原因。

    你是说以色列人想回到波兰吗? 以色列人没有看到以色列创造的因果关系吗? 如果二战后的所有欧洲犹太人都受到欧洲人(包括波兰人)的欢迎并让他们感到宾至如归,那么就没有以色列了吗? 你是否觉得自己像流产的胎儿,不知何故幸存下来,仍然想被他的母亲所爱? 还是只想杀了她?

    You can’t pretend to play only one side while forgetting that it takes two to tango. Zionism was the political movement very welcomed by anti-Semites and people who wanted to have their countries w/o Jews who hoped that Jews will emigrate from their countries. The greatest enemy the Zionists feared was the lack of anti-Semitism. Poland’s pre WWII regime was organizing training for Irgun and other Zionist organization, for the same reason Mussolini was helping Zhabotinsky and also Nazis had fairly amicable relations with Zionists in the beginning and signed the Transfer Agreement and had Eichmann coming and visiting Palestine.

    Are you Israelis just a bunch of resentful pricks who hate Europeans for being kicked out of Europe? With this attitude your Zionist project is destined to fail. Sooner or later you all will be back in Europe but this time with much bigger chip on your shoulder than ever before. Have you read “Operation Shylock” by Phillip Roth?

    • 回复: @snag
    , @Proud Israeli Jew
  436. @Proud Israeli Jew

    当然。
    你为以色列感到骄傲,这个国家在布尔战争期间的表现远比大英帝国糟糕,在殖民时代结束时,当时还有集中营。
    这些集中营可能存在了几年,而加沙集中营现在已经存在了几十年。
    有些人在布尔战争营地中丧生,但这些营地从未遭到轰炸。
    犹太人应该比一般的聪明,唉,他们也比一般的自我妄想多。
    你甚至看不到美国目前的情况与魏玛共和国的情况相似。
    后来在德国发生的事情很可能很快就会在美国重演。
    Little Israel 将无济于事,它当然可以决定执行 Samsom 选项。
    所有犹太人的最后自杀。

    • 同意: jacques sheete
    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  437. Max Denken 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    我无法质疑你家人的经历,或者你关于许多波兰人不喜欢从苏联返回的犹太人的论点,但我将对其余的提出质疑。

    至于“被盗房屋”,你得结合时代背景重新定义。数百万人(其中一小部分是犹太人)的房屋被“偷走”。在盟军同意的边界重新安排范围内,约 780 万波兰公民(其中 30 万犹太人)的家园和土地被苏联“偷走”在加利西亚、150 万 -180 万立陶宛和 250 万白俄罗斯(现白俄罗斯)。他们的居住者被苏联从大波兰东部几个世纪以来一直是他们的家园转移到波兰西部和西南部,并安置在西里西亚半荒废的城镇中。然后,他们被给予“被盗”的德国人的房屋,这些人是在为希特勒服务时被杀的,或者是波兰种族清洗和驱逐的受害者(捷克斯洛伐克也发生了类似的情况),或者只是因为当时流行的种族歧视而逃到了德国。对他们产生的敌意。

    你提到的西伯利亚/北极圈古拉格集中营,特别是沃库塔集中营,绝大多数是天主教波兰人的,而不是犹太人的。这些流放始于 1601 年。仅在 19 世纪,俄罗斯就将大约 900 万波兰人流放到西伯利亚,而 1939 年至 1946 年流放到西伯利亚的人数如此之多(仍在研究中),以至于我粗略搜索时看到的只是“数十万”。波兰人,不是犹太人。犹太人也被从家乡带走并流放到苏联内地,但主要是在中亚。

    我没有在任何地方看到你所说的拒绝返回波兰的 300,000 万波兰犹太人的数量,以及拒绝他们返回波兰的人。我在波兰资料中看到的数字是 125 年有 125 名波兰人和 1946 名犹太人从苏联返回,加上 40 年至 1945 年间其他年份的总计约 1949 人。我没有看到苏联或苏联返回的波兰人和犹太人的统计数据。波兰否认返回波兰。

    最后,我必须对你的“pogros”中的复数形式提出异议。如果您知道 1945 年除凯尔采以外的任何此类波兰大屠杀,我想了解一下。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  438. Mulegino1 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    No, the primary cause of the Polish “pogroms”, like those in the Russian Empire, was the toxic, greedy, and anti-social behavior of Jewry.

    Bernard Lazare, proto-Zionist and Jew, in his seminal work “Antisemitism: Its History and Causes” candidly admitted that the principle cause of anti-Jewish antipathy was the actions of Jews themselves.

    Virtually every place the Jew has achieved a level of dominance or influence in has experienced a universal dislike of the Jews as a collective. Whether it was the Roman Empire, Poland, the USSR (Jews composed 85% of the first Soviet government despite being a mere 2% of the Russian Empire’s population), Weimar Germany, Palestine, etc.- you will find widespread dislike of the Jews. To know the Jews as a tribe is to dislike them.

    • 回复: @snag
  439. Mulegino1 说:
    @snag

    Soviet p.o.w.’s were indeed the worst treated prisoners of the Germans. But this was not due primarily to German brutality but to the fact that there was no reciprocal agreement between the USSR and the Third Reich with respect to the treatment of prisoners of war, as there was with all the other belligerents in the European theater, since the USSR was not a signatory to the Hague or Geneva conventions. By all accounts, the Germans treated their prisoners of war strictly according to international law – including their Polish p.o.w.’s as can be witnessed by the photographs taken at Dachau after the so called “liberation” of the camp. The Polish prisoners look well fed and in good health.

    For a German soldier, capture by the Soviet forces meant enslavement in the Gulag, exposure and starvation. For the Russian soldier, capture by the Germans was the equivalent of a death sentence, since Stalin imposed the death penalty upon Soviet personnel who allowed themselves to be taken alive. Given the harsh treatment of their own soldiers, the Germans had no reciprocal legal obligation to treat their Soviet captives any better. It is significant, though, that nearly a million Soviet prisoners switched sides and fought against the USSR on the Eastern Front.

    Birkenau was not a “death camp” or an “extermination camp”, it was a refugee camp. Although certainly no tourist resort, it was a far cry from the Hollywood chamber of horrors which afflicts the kosher western mind with guilt and anguish in preparation for the guilt and extortion shakedown which is the mainstay of the Shoah Business. The so called “gas chambers” at Birkenau, in reality underground mortuaries located underneath the crematories, which were built for hygienic purposes were located right next to the soccer field at Birkenau, which was regularly the site of matches – often between the inmates and the SS personnel. Are we supposed to believe that these matches were played while thousands were being marched to their death in plain view of the players and spectators?

    • 回复: @snag
    , @CanSpeccy
  440. Art 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    波兰大屠杀是由波兰天主教的贪婪引起的。

    Hey Jew – lets discuss the pogroms you fascists in Israel are doing to the Palestinians.

    尤其是巴勒斯坦儿童——你拘留了多少——你昨晚折磨了多少?

    思考和平-艺术

    ps 你——一个犹太人——称波兰天主教徒贪婪——真的!

    • 回复: @snag
    , @Proud Israeli Jew
  441. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    Jews took off to Soviet zone while Poles were fighting Germans … So much for their loyalty.

    Those that “were transferred to various “soft” gulags or work camps in Siberia & Central Asia. Those with political roles, were transferred to proper Gulags such as the Perchora Region” …

    … as Gulag kapos and lower level administration because the upper* administration didn’t trust Russians or Poles . How the hell would you know where Begin was because he told you so?

    He and his around 4000 jewish buddies deserted from Anders army I Palestine They were not only deserter bu bunch o thieves that stole everything that wasn’t bolted to cement floor.

    “neighbors who had stolen their homes” – Everything they ‘owned’ in Poland was acquired during Poland’s partition as a reward for snitching or bought for chump change from occupants after they the rightful owners we exiled to Siberia.

    Prior to Poland’s partition they didn’t own enething in Poland (and the rest of Europe) they were nothing but squatters tolerated out of pity – Uninvited squatters don’t own anything or Poles to them and that’s the end of discussion.

    * Gulags were run by Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel (founders) their buddies Lev Inzhir a commissar of the Gulag transit and administration, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, were the commissars of camps and slave labor that supervised the construction of the Belomorsk Canal and other projects responsible for at least 30 million worked/starved to death “enemies” of the revolution. The gulag system pre-dates over 2 decades the death camps built by nazis ,…

    难怪你被赶出了你试图定居的每个国家和地方,看看你的心态和态度,我也会更快地这样做。

    https://www.en.malemonarchswiki.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_expulsions

    关于你的心态和态度的一些事情。
    https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/lazare-anti.asp

  442. L.K 说:

    有时,视觉效果可以帮助人们理解为什么 AR 死亡集中营的故事毕竟是废话。
    下面的地下纪录片使用了大量的视觉效果,而且都是基于一些最“权威”的全息骗局历史学家,像阿拉德这样的人,以及所谓的谎言,呃,目击者……
    1:33:00 左右讨论埋坑,3:02:51 左右讨论挖掘出的尸体的焚烧。

    • 回复: @snag
  443. snag 说:
    @L.K

    About Icchac Arad.

    “Piotr Zychowicz (Rzeczpospolita), points out that according to evidence in possession of the Lithuanian court system, Arad joined the NKVD at the end of 1944, and became active in combating the anti-Communist Lithuanian underground. He participated in the NKVD destruction of Tigras brigade of the Lithuanian Liberation Army. In his interview Arad insisted that he was not on the NKVD payroll, thus contradicting the physical evidence presented by Rytas Narvydas from the Lithuanian prosecutor’s office”

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.bibula.com/%3Fp%3D2234&prev=search

  444. snag 说:
    @Mulegino1

    You’re talking about technicalities and what was first, the egg or the chicken while I describe what some eyewitness have seen there for over four years he spend there – I won’t speculate if that was planned or payback. It happen.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  445. snag 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Next time please ask them what Polish “pogroms”? … to name it, supported by dates and location.

  446. snag 说:
    @utu

    If there was no anti-Semitism they created it like they do it today bringing their youth to Auschwitz surrounded by armed gorillas and scare the crap out them. Zionists need anti-Semitism to survive.

    http://www.inminds.com/jews-of-iraq.html
    https://www.wrmea.org/1992-july/the-lavon-affair-when-israel-firebombed-u.s.-installations.html

  447. @Mulegino1

    众所周知,德国人严格按照国际法对待他们的战俘。

    Not by this account:

    Hitler’s British death island: Astonishing story of how the Nazis murdered 40,000 people in Channel Island concentration camps – and planned to blitz the South Coast with chemical weapons.

    Or 本报告 that states that out of 5.7 million Soviet soldiers captured (by Germany) between 1941 and 1945, more than 3.5 million died in captivity.

  448. snag 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    That there are other versions of the ‘truth’ you prefer to adopt – It doesn’t matter what you think but who wins the war.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  449. snag 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Give me a break, please I was there twice during the commie regime in Poland it was compulsory in those days to visit it a least once in elementary school and once in highschool so don’t lecture me how many camps or for whom. I have seen a piles of kids shoes. Mengele didn’t practice on old or sick people too.

    According to my dad’s friend many Jews died because they weren’t fit for physical labor and because a lack of will to fight and survive.

  450. Mulegino1 说:
    @snag

    I am not denying there was suffering and death at Birkenau, only disputing the official narrative that 1.2 million people were killed there and that there were homicidal gas chambers in use there.

    That having been said, the Poles have gotten the short end of the stick for too long at the hands of this insufferable and hubristic tribe and I wholeheartedly support their efforts to no longer take it. The Jews know how to dish it out, but they can’t take it. Kudos to the Poles for not acting like the contemporary kosher Germans. Has the world ever seen a nation of such self-hating, masochistic wimps who welcome their own destruction?

    • 回复: @L.K
  451. Anna 说:
    @German_reader

    波兰在西部获得了东部领土(wolyn Lwów)的土地……这笔交易我们从来不想要,但得到了斯大林和所谓盟友的同意……所以这与战争赔偿无关!
    我的家人在东部失去了一切……而在西部却从未得到过任何东西……所以我的家人仍然需要赔偿。

    • 回复: @snag
    , @Max Denken
  452. @jilles dykstra

    谢谢你,先生!

    But about WWII, I was born in the war, why there had been a war, my parents did not have a clue, nor did anyone I ever discussed the war with.

    According to E.D. Morel, who I consider a very credible source, and anyone who knows of his activities would probably agree, would say that the lack of knowledge was by design by the militarists in France, Britain and Russia and also the U.S. Furthermore people were never told the whole truth and only one side of the story was allowed to be published. Shockingly crude hate propaganda was incessantly drilled into people’s heads.

    Now, alle such ‘certainties’ are gone.

    As they well should be. I am stunned at the excellent work done 当时 countering all the propaganda, but people, at least in the US, know and will only accept the most twisted propaganda even to this day.

    People should be able to understand what the militarist crazies are doing today since it’s fundamentally no different than what went on during the lead up to the “Big Ones.” Their methods are so transparent and so outlandish that it’s simply amazing that people choose to believe the bizarre. It’s so perverse that I no longer have a shred of faith in G-wd or man. What a wretched species we are!

  453. @Proud Israeli Jew

    波兰大屠杀是由波兰天主教的贪婪引起的。

    请引用。

    现在告诉我们Nakba 和Zionuts 对巴勒斯坦人持续无端的虐待狂憎恶。

    Yeah, yeah, we know…Youse guys are da 维克图姆兹. 嗯。

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  454. Mulegino1 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    That the Germans had a missile base on the island is perfectly credible, but their having murdered 40,000 people there is not.

    Again, where are the traces of mass graves and remains? How were the murders carried out?

    This is simply more of the same atrocity propaganda.

    Unfortunately, many Soviet soldiers did die in German captivity due to the reasons I referenced above: the Soviets did not sign or honor the Geneva and Hague conventions and refused to provide their own Axis p.o.w.’s access to Red Cross packages, inspections or even subsistence level foodstuffs. The Germans had enough trouble feeding their own Wehrmacht, and could not afford to feed the large masses of Soviet p.o.w.’s captured on the Eastern Front, especially if the Soviets would not reciprocate.

    On the other hand, the mortality rate of the other Allied p.o.w.’s in German Stalags was not exponentially greater than that of German p.o.w.’s in British and American captivity.

    • 回复: @L.K
  455. L.K 说:
    @Mulegino1

    mulegino “Kudos to the Poles for not acting like the contemporary kosher Germans. Has the world ever seen a nation of such self-hating, masochistic wimps..”

    To be fair, NO nation in history, and certainly NOT Poland, has, after such a catastrophic defeat, been subjected to the kind of vicious, concerted, and never ending atrocity propaganda that the rump state of Germany has had to endure.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  456. To be fair, NO nation in history, and certainly NOT Poland, has, after such a catastrophic defeat, been subjected to the kind of vicious, concerted, and never ending atrocity propaganda that the rump state of Germany has had to endure.

    And for the purpose of extorting ever more, and whitewashing “our” own crimes, which are much worse by any measure.

  457. @snag

    Funny that, British rhyming slang for Jew is 4 x 2 or four by two. It is not necessarily used as an insult just a form of opaque terminology.

  458. Mulegino1 说:
    @L.K

    True. But even the horrendous fate that the German people endured should not prevent human nature from finally reasserting itself. Even the grass will grow under concrete and finally break through.

    Hopefully, the Germans will wake up before the last Christian church in the country becomes a mosque, the International Temple for Shoah Restitution is built upon the ruins of the Eagle’s Lair, and the Brandenburg Gate becomes the Treblinka Memorial Arch.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
    , @L.K
  459. Max Denken 说:
    @Anna

    盟军在雅尔塔和波茨坦达成的协议将波兰的国界西移。 东部边界向西移动了 200 到 351 公里,你的家人(和我的家人)失去了家园、社区以及 1939 年至 1945 年被摧毁后留下的一切。 西部边界移入德国领土 100 到 200 公里,在第一次瓜分之前,这些领土曾经属于波兰。 波兰的领土减少了 1%:从 20 平方公里减少到 388 平方公里——而这一切都没有得到波兰的同意。

    但你在这儿与众人争论这一点是没有用的。 他们会要求你提供“证据”,指控你是犹太复国主义特工,并在互联网上寻找你的照片来支持你是一个戴着 Chabadnik 的命匣,名叫 Shmul 的论点。

  460. Mulegino1 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Oops! I got the Eagle’s Lair confused with the Wolf’s Nest.

  461. That the Germans had a missile base on the island is perfectly credible, but their having murdered 40,000 people there is not.

    Again, where are the traces of mass graves and remains? How were the murders carried out?

    This is simply more of the same atrocity propaganda.

    LOL

    The hand waving method of establishing historical truth.

    It certainly took more than a few hundred untermenschen to build the miles of concrete fortifications around the Island of Alderney. Then there were the tunnels, hewn from solid granite, plus numerous underground bunkers and massive concrete gun turrets.

    As for the bodies of workers starved beyond the point of usefulness, many it is said, were disposed of while still breathing by shoving them off the high cliffs at the East end of the island. A furious tidal race would have washed the bodies away between one tide and the next.

    And LK and Jack Sheete apparently subscribe to your school of historical discovery. Pfui. A waste of time talking with such nincompoops.

  462. renfro 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Listen you are going to be laughed off the thread for using the Daily Mail article by Col Richard Kemp as a source.
    Everyone knows Kemp is a long time paid shill and apologist for Jews and Israel—he’s a running joke among military and policy personnel…its like……’well what has C0l Hebrew written this week..lol”.

    Israel’s Counterinsurgency Apologist: Colonel Richard Kemp | Foreign …
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/…/israels-counterinsurgency-apologist-colonel-… Jul 7, 2015 – Richard Kemp starts with the premise that Israel doesn’t commit war crimes and misinterprets international law accordingly. Retired British colonel, Richard Kemp, has been an ardent supporter of Israel’s three major military operations in Gaza conducted over the last six years. He has collaborated on …..

    Find more reliable sources if you want to claim something.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @snag
  463. Seraphim 说:
    @Max Denken

    但俄罗斯人不是已经进入了他们的领土吗?

  464. @Max Denken

    官方消息:你就是个彻头彻尾的小丑。

    • 同意: jacques sheete
  465. @CanSpeccy

    So, a link to a cliff by the sea is proof of mass-murder? Why are you so proud to be a shithead?

    • 回复: @L.K
  466. @snag

    I really have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • 回复: @snag
  467. Dube [又名“基因多布里”] 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    精英通讯公司说:
    13年2018月5日,格林尼治标准时间下午59:XNUMX
    @Gene Dobry
    In other-words, stop holding Poland accountable for what transpired under the occupation of Nazi Germany and to do is tantamount to slander or libel.

    -

    That’s how it looks. Thanks for the confirmation.

    GD

  468. utu 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    奥尔德尼协会主席特雷弗·达文波特博士是 Festung Alderney 的作者,该书重点关注该岛的德国防御。

    Commenting on an article in Saturday’s Daily Mail – the first of two about Alderney during the Occupation – Dr Davenport said: ‘If this first article is anything to go by, containing so much that has been speculated on before with no evidence apart from hearsay (or fantasy), then I cannot begin to imagine what other fiction will be included in their later “revelations”.’

    阅读更详细 https://guernseypress.com/news/2017/05/09/chemical-weapon-v-1s-in-alderney-fantasy/#LzIeBmVirvQ4JL8R.99

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  469. L.K 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Shithead indeed.

    This shill for the British Empire had the audacity to say to me, during a discussion about WW1, that my factual statement that the British Empire was the largest the world has ever seen, amounted to an “anti-white” device.

    I guess Germans ain’t white… so it’s okay for this shill to pile on the Greulpropaganda to defame Germany, even to the point of using the most idiotic garbage, such as the above Daily Mail “piece”.

  470. L.K 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Considering that basically all major players in the world today – even the ever more pathetic and illegitimate German elite empowered by the victors at the end of the war to rule over a non sovereign Germany – wish for the nation to remain mired in guilt, I’m not hopeful.

    Do you think that the Jews, Poles, Zamericans, Brits, French, Russians, etc, would want the Germans to be anything but the self-hating, masochistic Nestbeschmutzers they are?

    Sure, Russia, for instance, would prefer a more independent Germany, one not to be so easily used by the ZUS, but only as long as it knows its place as a former ‘fascist’ evildoer.

    大屠杀神话中的非犹太人利益
    http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/2/1/1919

  471. renfro 说:

    The horrible, terrible anti semite Henry Ford…lol…(who was really a patriot) provided some official papers relating to Poland prior to WWII and how the US Jewish press was setting up Poland as evil country persecuting Jews.
    有趣的阅​​读。

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_International_Jew/Volume_2/Chapter_40

  472. renfro 说:

    BTW…goggle has taken it upon itself to label sites and books as anti semitic as they appear in your web searches…as so:

    The International Jew: Jewish activities in the United States
    https://books.google.com/books?id=Dx5YAAAAMAAJ

    1921 – ‎Anti-Jewish propaganda

    In New York it has always been the burning ambition of the Jews to elect a Jewish mayor. They selected a time when the leading parties were disrupted to push forward their choice. The method which they adopted was characteristic. They reasoned that the newspapers would not dare refuse the dictum of the combined …”

  473. @Max Denken

    Jan T. Gross,《奥斯威辛集中营之后波兰的恐惧、反犹太主义,一篇历史解释的文章》,普林斯顿大学,2006 年
    格罗斯描述的是一起事件,有几名受害者。
    波兰作家认为这是一次蓄意挑衅。
    事实上,二战后波兰人仍然不喜欢他们的犹太人,这是事实。
    据记忆,1967年,波兰犹太人被允许离开这个国家,格罗斯就是其中之一。

  474. Vojkan 说:
    @jacques sheete

    You know very well that I would need a whole essay to answer your question. A short version would be that unless you consider bolshevism as an offspring pan-slavism, pan-slavism isn’t responsible for anywhere near the number of deaths as pan-germanism.
    为了明确我的立场,尽管我认为自己接近俄罗斯人,但我的世界观深受陀思妥耶夫斯基和贝尔达耶夫的影响,我也认为自己更接近希腊人而不是克罗地亚人或斯洛文尼亚人,我认为他们是野蛮人穿着文明的衣服,从我记事起就一直如此。
    我对陀思妥耶夫斯基的喜爱也应该告诉你我对 28 年 1914 月 XNUMX 日谋杀一名孕妇的立场。
    也就是说,我赞同 1914 世纪统治塞尔维亚的人民做出的三个决定:1941 年拒绝奥匈帝国的最后通牒,拒绝 1999 年与纳粹德国的条约,以及拒绝XNUMX 年由美国领导的西方发出的朗布依埃最后通牒,即使这在所有三个案例中都意味着战争。

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  475. @Max Denken

    但你在这儿与众人争论这一点是没有用的。他们会要求你提供“证据”

    The horror…. The horror….

    • 回复: @utu
  476. Anonymous [AKA "Iwona"] 说:
    @AndrewR

    The Germans brought it on themselves. There would have been no “ethnic cleansing of Germans” if Germany hadn’t started the war and imposed ethnic cleansing on Poland: six million dead (half of whom were Christian), millions of slave laborers (included sex slaves), millions of Poles deported to make way for German colonists, hundreds of thousands of Polish children of “aryan” appearance kidnapped and sent to Germany. Furthermore, the westward shift of Poland’s borders (agreed upon without Poland’s knowledge) meant the loss of half of Poland’s prewar territory and ethnic cleansing of millions of ethnic Poles living in the eastern borderlands annexed by the USSR. Germany has been very shrewd in presenting themselves as victims while Poland, under Soviet occupation for 50 years, had its history hijacked.

  477. Wally 说:
    @Anonymous

    说过:
    “millions of slave laborers (included sex slaves), millions of Poles deported to make way for German colonists, hundreds of thousands of Polish children of “aryan” appearance kidnapped and sent to Germany.”

    Laughable Zionist propaganda. There is no proof.

    http://www.codoh.com

  478. @renfro

    Listen you are going to be laughed off the thread for using the Daily Mail article by Col Richard Kemp as a source.

    Listen, smart arse, I responded to a comment that began with the words:

    众所周知,德国人严格按照国际法对待他们的战俘。

    I posted links to a couple of “accounts” that proved that claim false.

    As for the use by the Nazis of Russian prisoners of war on the British Crown dependency of Alderney, there are dozens of accounts on the Web if you’re interested (这是一个).

    I’m not a historian and I make no claim as to the history of the Channel Islands. However, I have spent time on that island, where I once owned a company, and I’ve seen the massive quantities of concrete used there in fortifications, gun turrets and other structures, and its clear to me that there must have been a huge quantity of labor employed there during WWII, all of it undoubtedly slave labor, since the SS (featured in photographs of Alderney included in the DM article that you deride) didn’t do that kind of work themselves.

  479. snag 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    … that the one that wins the war or owns the media dictates what’s truth, it doesn’t matter what you or I think – No one is crying that the allies went over the board destroying Germany, nobody mention 80 millions WWII casualties but we can’t escape that 6 million bullshit ,…

  480. @utu

    乌图

    奥尔德尼协会主席特雷弗·达文波特博士是 Festung Alderney 的作者,该书重点关注该岛的德国防御。

    The Island of Alderney is a quaint and in some respects quite charming place with a marginal economy supported by a marginal tax-haven business, where semi-wealthy people establish a residence to minimize their tax liability. Naturally the Islanders do not want the place to be tagged as a death camp, since it would kill the economy. So, frankly, I don’t place a whole lot of confidence in the implications of Dr. Davenport’s remarks about the DM report on the German occupation of the island.

    无可争辩的是,除了 DM 文章所说的隧道是在 Val Reuter 附近的一个地点用坚固的岩石凿成的隧道之外,二战期间岛上及其周围还建造了大量防御工事。 这些作品无疑表明岛上存在大量战时劳动力。 此外,岛上劳改营的位置是众所周知的,我在那里时向我指出。

    So, really, all that the twats here can argue about is how the prisoners died, which seems silly, since it is surely clear to anyone but a complete fool how any SS-driven forced labor died: from accident, starvation, or murder (and the DM article does include photographs of the SS in Alderney, or do the critics say these are fake, photo-shopped images?). But apparently, I’m expected to provide proof of gas chambers of something equally compelling to the dull-witted.

    Oh, but maybe non of the forced labor died on the island. In fact they were probably fed on sausages and sauerkraut, with beer and roast beef on sundays. Ja, ja, that’s how it must have been, and they all went home to Russia, Israel and Poland after the war and lived happily ever after.

    • 回复: @utu
  481. utu 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Revusky searched through whole YT for the proofs of a single real terror attack and found them all to be hoaxes and false flags because there were all CRISIS ACTORS, CRISIS ACTORS.

    Hitler was a crisis actor. Auschwitz was just a movies set.

    • 巨魔: Jonathan Revusky, L.K
    • 回复: @Jonathan Revusky
  482. @utu

    Revusky 在整个 YT 中搜索了一次真正的恐怖袭击的证据,发现它们都是骗局和虚假标志

    Well, the above is really a distortion of things, but finally, I won’t even bother to dispute it much. Okay, fine, there is some core of truth to what you say.

    基本上,当这些可疑事件之一发生时,在这个时间点,我的方法是假设它是一个骗局或虚假标志 除非另有证明.

    好吧,这可能是一个公平的表征。

    Now, I would ask you this first of all: why is my approach inherently crazy as compared to the approach of most of the contributors on this site, which is simply to assume that the authorities are always telling the truth about these things? Not only is that their baseline assumption, that all of these stories are true, but, as far as I can tell, certainly the main ethno-racialist sorts of writers here (I won’t name names, but…) never make the slightest attempt to verify whether any of these stories are true.

    所以,如果他们看到一些故事,比如某人 自我激进化 on the Internet and decided to shoot a bunch of little kids in a school… or a bunch of homos in a gay bar… or a bunch of sweet little old ladies in a black church… — they just run with it. They treat whatever story as an 既定事实.

    为什么会 方法,即假设所有这些叙述都是真实的,比 my 简单地假设这些事件是假的,除非另有证明?

    你真的需要解释一下,因为坦率地说,对我来说,很明显,我的方法更有意义,当然在这个时刻。 我们确实处于这样一个历史阶段,一个有充分了解的人倾向于以一种方式来处理这些事情。 非常 high degree of skepticism — as opposed to 时刻 相信他们!

    所以,请回答我: 为什么我对这些问题的基本方法是错误的? 为什么最好总是假设这些事情是真的?

    这是一个普遍的问题。 我现在要问更具体的问题,那就是:

    您能否概述一下您所知道的我对这些问题的基本方法导致我出错的案例? 在哪种特定情况下,我说过某些事情是合成事件,您确定确实如 MSM 所描述的那样发生了?

    请命名具体案例。

    危机参与者,危机参与者

    Well, I’m not the only person who thinks that the presence of crisis actors is dead giveaway. Do you have some innocent explanation for why, when these things go down, they always seem to coincide with the running of a drill of some sort?

    据我所知,演习的原因是他们为招募危机参与者提供了一个掩护,并且通常设置了很多 现场场景 的合成事件。

    但是,如果您对此有某种替代性的、天真的解释,我再次全神贯注。

    Go ahead, explain it all to me… Surely, you’re not going to pass up this wonderful opportunity to school me, are you now?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @utu
  483. Max Denken 说:
    @Anonymous

    你不可能靠这群占领了这个空间的“犹太复国主义黑色直升机(ZBLAH)”真相者赢得胜利。只需将他们发送给权威人士,在那里争论他们的观点即可。至于足球夏令营,有几个人因过度拥挤和流感而死亡,请把他们送到我在5分钟内找到的这些地方。的搜索。至于德国对波兰造成了什么,将其发送给IPN,同上。



    https://twitter.com/search?q=Treblinka&src=typd
    https://twitter.com/search?q=Belzec&src=typd
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/ten-worst-nazi-concentration-camps.html

    如果其中任何一个在 ZBLAH 人民的判断中不可信,就让他们在各自适当的场所争论他们的理论。这个不是。

    • 巨魔: L.K
    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  484. @Jonathan Revusky

    危机参与者,危机参与者

    Maybe Utu was jus’ sayin’. He doesn’t explicitly disagree. Admittedly, Hitler as a crisis actor seems a stretch, but that’s utu’s idea (though not his alone), not yours, so far as I’m aware.

    And certainly the MSM/State-sponsored account of the latest Russian toxic gas attack looks weak as Hell.

    Was the policeman supposedly felled by Novichok a crisis actor? If not, how come the doctor who got much closer to the Russian victims than the cop didn’t suffer in the least.

    Given that we live under a plutocracy in the guise of a democracy, isn’t it, in fact, the most plausible theory of government that the whole thing is fake, from Theresa May and Donald Trump on down. I mean, how much flakier (or fakier) could one get that those two.

  485. @Carlton Meyer

    我很惊讶你们大多数人认为帕特是历史学家而不是专栏作家,不幸的是,通过撰写“不必要的战争”成为希特勒行为的辩护者。 帕特所说的并不真实。 帕特所说的要求是在入侵前 24 小时提出的,他与斯大林签订了在他的口袋里瓜分波兰和在波兰边境的 1.5 万军队的协议。 帕特所说的希特勒的大部分要求都是纳粹新闻的文章。 波兰注定要失败,因为它的两个强大的邻国都想摧毁它,而不是因为他们固执。 波兰被英国出卖和利用,但它的命运是由希特勒的疯狂和战争欲望决定的。 正如他在与墨索里尼的女婿兼他的使者齐亚诺伯爵谈话时所说:“我想要战争”。

    帕特似乎也不知道希特勒的提议是什么。 希特勒最初的提议是与俄罗斯结盟,这将允许他在波兰境内驻扎军队并控制波兰军队​​。 这将使他拥有波兰的资源和人力来发动他对欧洲和世界的预定战争。 波兰人说:没有。 波兰人也拒绝了俄罗斯的类似提议(通过英国传达)。 不幸的是,波兰人把他们所有的希望都寄托在英国,他们建立了一个联盟,不是为了对抗希特勒,而是希望阻止希特勒对英国发动战争。 但是,无论波兰人做什么,结果都是一样的,但波兰领导人辜负了人民。

    帕特似乎没有注意到的是,如果戈林是纳粹党的领袖,就不会有战争。 同样,如果斯大林不同意《莫洛托夫-里宾特洛甫条约》,就可能不会发生战争,因为英国人正在计划另一个慕尼黑; 这次是波兰。

    帕特在人口统计方面也错了。 在东普鲁士的乡村,波兰人比德国人还多。 大多数德国人都在大城市。 在波兰边境以西的波美拉尼亚,大部分地区都居住着波兰人。

  486. Max Denken 说:

    犹太复国主义黑色直升机旅,去这里


    对此提出质疑(翻译):

    “你认识吗???这是圣十字地的屠夫,党卫军中级突击队大队长阿尔伯特·舒斯特。他总是向波兰儿童的头部开枪,然后观察母亲们的反应……然后他会杀掉他们(母亲们)。他还喜欢活活烧死波兰儿童……最常见的是孤儿……”

  487. Max Denken 说:
    @Walter Orlowski

    可能会增加的是格莱维茨挑衅,由盖世太保和 SD 的负责人莱因哈德·海德里希 (Reinhard Heydrich) 提出,他将成为,首先,最终解决方案的实施者,其次,捷克斯洛伐克的残酷压迫者,被暗杀了捷克地铁。

    这是德国一支小型特种部队于 31 月 20 日 00:XNUMX 对当时处于德国统治下的波兰-德国混居城市格莱维茨(格利维采)的德国广播电台发起的袭击。希特勒将此作为“波兰挑衅”的证据,几个小时后就引发了他的袭击。希特勒的宣传机器还声称波兰对德国领土进行了数起此类虚构的袭击,声称不仅有“波兰叛乱分子”参与,而且还有正规的波兰陆军装甲部队参与。

    • 同意: Miro23
    • 回复: @Mulegino1
    , @polskijoe
  488. @Max Denken

    我很惊讶他没有从特雷布林卡借用气动脑击机,我相信他会从中得到真正的乐趣。

  489. @Max Denken

    他总是朝波兰儿童的头部开枪,观察母亲的反应……然后他会杀死他们[母亲]。 他还喜欢活活烧死波兰儿童……通常是孤儿……”

    哇。 什么家伙! 听起来像派对的生活,嗯? 你能帮我澄清一个细节吗?

    他是否也将任何婴儿从任何保温箱中扔掉?

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  490. Mulegino1 说:
    @Max Denken

    Why would “Oberstumfuhrer” Albert Schuster let himself be photographed out of uniform?

    If he is SS, where is the death’s head on the top of his officer’s cap? Also, that is not the German eagle symbol on the cap, which in most cases should be above the death’s head.

    顶多,这可能是某个非德党卫军辅助成员的照片; 这只鹰看起来很像波兰鹰。

    苏联人和波兰抵抗军在宣传照片和耸人听闻的声明中并不十分注意细节。

  491. Mulegino1 说:
    @Max Denken

    Again, incorrect. There were many such cross border incidents, but this version of the “Gleiwitz Incident” is false, and no specific mention of Gleiwitz was made by Hitler in his speech announcing commencement of hostilities.

    The official account of the incident by the German Foreign Office goes like this: “Polish irregulars seized and briefly held the radio transmitting station at Gleiwitz. They were subsequently driven off by German border guards with two fatalities resulting.” You will note that there was only mention of Polish “irregulars”, i.e., non-uniformed partisans, and no mention of regular Polish military members.

    The “Operation Himmler” nonsense was freely invented by a certain Naujocks after the war.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  492. @Mulegino1

    是的,总是很有趣,考虑到德国人掩盖他们的暴行的极端秘密(解释了缺乏实际确凿证据),总是有一些随机的混蛋带着相机在附近徘徊。

    • 回复: @snag
  493. @Walter Orlowski

    希特勒最初的提议是结盟对抗俄罗斯
    ...
    波兰人说:没有。
    ...
    [波兰随后被俄罗斯入侵,在希特勒提出要求时,俄罗斯一直在为入侵做准备]

    大声笑,愚蠢的波兰人。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  494. Max Denken 说:
    @Mulegino1

    带着你的理论,在那里与 Richard Lukas 和 Normand Davies 争论:

    以及德国(“反犹太复国主义者”)明镜周刊:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rape-murder-and-genocide-nazi-war-crimes-as-described-by-german-soldiers-a-755385.html

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,759095,00.html

    不要浪费我们的时间,在这里徒劳地敲你的锅。

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  495. Mulegino1 说:
    @Max Denken

    我可以很容易地挖掘出宗教改革后目击者的叙述——由自认的女巫自己编造——在他们的安息日与魔鬼共舞。

    我的意思是,这是一张非常可怜的宣传照片,因为徽章与声称的那个人是党卫军成员的说法不符

    这相当于戴着“MAGA”帽子的希拉里·克林顿支持者。

  496. Seraphim 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    如果你读过 Roger Peyrefitte 的《犹太人》,你可能会有答案。
    他讲述了巴黎歌舞表演中的一个场景,那里挤满了从“集中营”回来的“幸存者”:“香调马提尼走上舞台,缓慢地看着人群说:'那么,那些火葬场一定是孵化器'! ” 叙述者抱怨法式幽默有点过火,但他反驳说:但马提尼是加泰罗尼亚的犹太名字。 这是犹太人的幽默! 但是他为什么不用意第绪语说出来呢?

    • 回复: @utu
  497. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    他们来的时候是假的。 尴尬。

    犹太人灭绝的“事实证明”怎么样? 蒸汽室 特雷布林卡:

    全部在特雷布林卡蒸熟,非常准确。
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11684

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  498. @Walter Orlowski

    “这将使他拥有波兰的资源和人力来发动他对欧洲和世界的预定战争”

    希特勒钦佩大英帝国,对世界有什么战争?
    他打算对欧洲开战,法国宣战,而不是德国宣战。
    直到 1941 年 XNUMX 月才发生任何事情。

    • 回复: @Walter Orlowski
  499. @jilles dykstra

    jilles dykstra,“这会给他波兰的资源和人力来发动他对欧洲和世界的战争”的声明描述了匈牙利和罗马尼亚在与希特勒签署联盟协议后发生的事情。 至于希特勒的全球野心,你应该记住,一战后德国失去了它在外部世界的所有殖民地和影响力。 他们只成为了“大陆强国”。

    二战不应被视为波兰和德国之间的战争,而是英国和德国之间的战争。 尽管英法对德宣战,但他们无意入侵德国,等待着。 如果希特勒没有全球野心,没有进攻法国、比利时和荷兰,这场战争可能早就结束了。 您可能没有听说过 1 年 1939 月 10 日至 1940 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日期间西部战线的“虚假战争”,这场战争以德国入侵比利时、荷兰和法国而告终。 希特勒的目标是让德国成为世界强国,而这正是世界第一大强国英国想要不惜一切代价阻止的事情。 这就是西方二战的全部内容。

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  500. Max Denken 说:
    @Wally

    与 Lukas 和 Davies 争论他们是假的。 对世界来说,他们是权威,而不是你。 不管你说什么,不管你写什么,除了你的信徒画廊,世界,包括我,都会相信他们,而不是你。

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  501. Mulegino1 说:
    @Max Denken

    你句子中的关键词是“相信”。 鉴于完全缺乏事实和证据来证实其荒谬的、伪宗教的叙述,这基本上是 Shoah Business 所依赖的——极度轻信。

    • 同意: mark green
  502. utu 说:
    @Seraphim

    而这则轶事被认为是……的论据。

  503. @Walter Orlowski

    你认为为什么要让 BEF 希特勒逃离敦刻尔克?
    希特勒钦佩大英帝国。
    海因茨·古德里安(Heinz Guderian),“装甲领导人”,伦敦,2000年,1952年
    德国坦克在敦刻尔克以南几公里处一动不动地站了整整三天。

  504. @Hippopotamusdrome

    尚·尚贝克(Come Jean Szembek),波隆大学校长,1933年– 1939年,《日记》,1952年巴黎
    波兰人并不傻。
    他们被罗斯福和丘吉尔背叛
    扬·西恰诺夫斯基(Jan Ciechanowski),《凡尔赛宫》中的vormals polnischer Botschafter,苏黎世(VürichblicherSieg),苏黎世,1948年(1947年,纽约战败)

    • 回复: @Hippopotamusdrome
  505. utu 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    有些人死在那里。 但是40k太多了。

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  506. @utu

    有些人死在那里。 但是40k太多了。

    LOL

    这就像六百万犹太人。 显然,这不是一个准确的数字。

    并注意, 当我链接到那个 DM 故事时,我没有断言在奥尔德尼岛上死于纳粹之手的俄罗斯战俘的数量,如果有的话。

    我驳斥了穆勒吉诺1的荒谬声明,由白痴牛肉蛋糕支持,识字率削弱了伦弗洛:

    众所周知,德国人严格按照国际法对待他们的战俘。

    因此,与我的观点无关,SS 是否在奥尔德尼岛上谋杀了一名孤独的俄罗斯战俘,因此 DM 文章通过照片证据证明,二战期间他肯定在奥尔德尼 - 在英国居民留下的情况下照料花园疏散到大陆,也许——(或者断言 DM 文章中的照片是假的,而 SS regalia 的那些人是危机演员?)。

    我唯一的观点是否定 Mulegino1 的说法,即“从各方面来看,德国人严格按照国际法对待他们的战俘”。 我提供了两个“帐户”,证明Mulegino1 的说法是无稽之谈。

    现在让我们听听 Beefcake the Moron 和其他人的道歉,因为他们对我对无意义评论的无可辩驳的反驳做出了侮辱性的回应,而不是我会屏住呼吸。

    • 回复: @utu
  507. renfro 说:

    波兰结束了..
    德国纳粹是历史……

    我们应该讨论今天的纳粹

    “奇比亚大屠杀,也称为奇比亚事件,发生在“肖沙纳行动”期间,这是一次报复行动,发生在 1953 年 1 月,当时阿里尔·沙龙 (Ariel Sharon) 率领的以色列军队袭击了约旦河西岸奇比亚村。 至少有 2 名巴勒斯坦村民被杀,[3] 其中三分之二是妇女和儿童。 [XNUMX] XNUMX 所房屋、一所学校和一座清真寺被毁。 [XNUMX]

    • 回复: @snag
  508. @jilles dykstra

    波兰人希望在未来的第一次世界大战重播中从德国获得更多的烈酒。

  509. utu 说:
    @Max Denken

    犹太复国主义黑色直升机旅

    我更愿意将他们视为 OJ 的黑人女陪审员。 他们偏执,认为每个人都在密谋,所有的证人都在撒谎。 他们很容易做出这种预测,因为他们自己对自己的谎言非常熟悉。 在危急情况下的谎言在他们看来是合理的,因此对他们来说是一种规范。 他们希望相信 OJ 是无辜的,并希望宣判他无罪,因此他们对任何可能表明他无罪的证据都给予了不必要的重视。 他们太无知了,无法看到整个画面和所有证据,因此他们很容易被一个范围狭窄的单一论点所左右,例如“如果它不适合你必须无罪”,这将有助于他们驳回用简单的笔画证明。 最后OJ走了。

    H-否认者对真理不感兴趣,而只对确认他们的信念感兴趣。 他们只想无罪释放德国人和/或打倒犹太人。 他们将拒绝使用范围狭窄的单一论点的全部证据,例如“普鲁士蓝的浓度太低”、“烤箱的产量不足”、“战争后植入的证据就像在奥斯威辛一世建造烟囱”、“这个和那个证人捏造和/或撒谎”,“这个证据是捏造的。” 就像黑人知道不诚实和不常见的警察犯罪行为一样,H 否认者知道犹太人的恶作剧和机会主义的不诚实,当谈到大屠杀时,大屠杀已经变成了对犹太人有用和有利可图的邪教。

    与实际参与真正的美国法庭诉讼的黑人女士不同,H-deniers 通过将美国司法系统与历史话语进行激烈的类比,从而使他们置身于假装法庭中,但该话语受不同规则的约束。 美国司法系统从来就不是为了查明真相而设立的。 法律或任何法律学说都没有义务在此过程中寻找真相。 这是一个对抗系统。 谁赢谁输才重要。 不合理怀疑边缘学说本身是模糊和未定义的,有人在法律上是否有罪。 但对他们来说,真相是无论审判结果如何。 所以OJ是无辜的,对吧?

  510. utu 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    我明白。 对不合理主张的不合理反驳的情况通常不起作用,因为那些首先提出不合理主张的人可以非常合理地击败您的不合理反驳,而他们的不合理主张被遗忘并保持原状。

  511. snag 说:
    @renfro

    一些细节——从理查德·本·克莱默 (Richard Ben Cramer) 所著的《以色列如何迷失:四个问题》一书中摘录自对庞达克将军的采访。

    “以色列人将哈森带出监狱,带他到贾巴利亚营地转转,
    然后,在营地边缘,他们当着一群人的面开枪打死了他。
    为什么? “因为他被认为是一名活动家,他们把他带回
    他阵营指出还有谁在抵抗中活跃。 他不会
    尖叫,所以他们在显而易见的地方杀了他。 他们想让每个人都看到。”

    “...... Sharon 和 Eitan 抓住了这个人,他们就在那里杀了他,他们
    割断他的喉咙。 讲述此事的以色列官员说,这名男子制造了
    羊被宰杀的声音”

  512. Mulegino1 说:
    @utu

    没有比“Big-H”的官方叙述更能说明“确认偏差”的例子了,它总是在寻找合适的证据,从不承认叙述必须符合证据以及物理和后勤的参数可能性。

    二战结束 73 年后,这种说法的信徒无法就所谓的“超过 4 万受害者”的谋杀武器或处决方式达成一致。 首先是烤箱,然后是蒸汽室、电气化地板、踏板驱动的脑筋急转弯机、砍伐树木、原子弹、延迟反应气体、柴油尾气,然后是通过淋浴喷头的气体(这是如何完成的比空气轻,我无法接受),最后,在东线使用杀虫剂颗粒和大规模射击的房间。

    他们不断改变所谓的“工业规模”种族灭绝的地点。 首先是卑尔根-贝尔森和达豪,然后是奥斯威辛-比克瑙和 Aktion Reinhardt 营地,然后是东线。

    当被要求解释为什么“历史上记录最多的事件”需要大量伪造文件、胁迫证词和伪造照片时,他们只是转移了话题。 当被问及为什么没有希特勒的命令或任何其他官方和真实的文件表明屠杀欧洲犹太人的政策或计划时,他们声称他们的大规模种族灭绝是“思想会议”的结果,并声称完全无害的话成为种族灭绝的“暗语”。

    虚假的叙述需要继续存在,这样北约对欧洲的霸权才能被证明是合理的,以色列在巴勒斯坦建国的巨大错误可以被忽视,勒索和内疚的球拍可以无限地继续发挥作用。

  513. @Mulegino1

    不要忘记回避,但透露,“他们去哪里了”?

  514. Max Denken 说:

    简短而有趣的介绍,特别是对于那些只知道 Faurisson 的法语单词的人:

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Art
    , @Art
  515. @Max Denken

    前几天我看到了这个,标题是令人窒息的标题,内容是为图片着色如何增强“大屠杀的恐怖”。 (通常你会在以色列新的暴行之前看到这些事情。)人们已经承认战争期间人类遭受了真正的苦难,德国人对此负有部分(但不是全部)责任。 你能解释一下它与在特雷布林卡这样的地方发生的事情的可信度有关吗?

    • 回复: @Max Denken
    , @L.K
  516. Anonymous [AKA "Ellroy"] 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    你看,你的观点的问题在于捷克斯洛伐克在 1920 年非法占领了这片土地,所以你需要在做出此类声明之前阅读更多关于我们的历史的信息。

    • 回复: @Thirdeye
  517. polskijoe 说:
    @Max Denken

    Max,那都是“假的,没有证据”。 希特勒是“好”人。
    所有犹太复国主义宣传。

    codoh.com

    😉

  518. utu 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    假设我们有一个非常复杂的 AI 网络,它有数十亿个点头,可以处理许多输入,但由于某种原因总是产生相同的输出。 在功能层面上,这个复杂的 AI 网络可以用最简单的自动机代替,该自动机忽略输入并始终产生相同的输出:“是的,另一个骗局,另一个虚假标志。”

    复杂的 AI 网络,如果它有反馈并发展出自我反思的能力,它可能会进入元思维水平,并试图弄清楚为什么它总是会出现 sam 输出。 也许它会尝试重新评估它的处理是否存在一些固有的偏见或是否被输入所愚弄。 它的网络中可能存在一些结构性问题。

    但你不这样做。 你就像一个单点自动机,它总是产生一个输出:“是的,另一个骗局,另一个假旗”,你接受它而不向内看。

    为什么有人会与 AI 网络进行讨论,该网络在功能上等同于只产生一个输出的单点自动机:是的,另一个骗局,另一个虚假标志。”

    你能修好机器吗?

    至于大屠杀,你可以查看我的 #540 评论。

  519. L.K 说:
    @utu

    utu,自认是骗子:“假设我们有一个非常复杂的人工智能网络,有数十亿,bla,bla,bla……”

    Yawwnnnn,你是一颗滑倒的药丸。

  520. @utu

    令人印象深刻,你的评论越来越愚蠢。 关于人工智能,你开始听起来像哈尔,因为他被取消了程序。

  521. Max Denken 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    你和我都不是特雷布林卡的真正囚犯,也不是这方面的专家。 你想争论特雷布林卡是一个神话,与它的幸存者或写这些书的专家争论。 从这本书开始; 其他在页面底部:

    只有格罗斯曼是一位享有世界地位的作家,被认为是最优秀的。 我保证,如果你写一本书来挑战他的说法——可信地——你也会获得世界地位。

    这是一部小电影; 我相信没有犹太复国主义者参与其制作:

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  522. L.K 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    小丑什么都没有,只好借助这些廉价的情感噱头。

    但是,如果一个人认为 J. Karski 是他的全息骗局幻想的某种可靠来源,那么对他的期望是什么?

  523. Art 说:
    @Max Denken

    谈论昨晚在以色列监狱中遭受酷刑的巴勒斯坦儿童不是更好吗?

    这难道不是人道主义的做法吗?

    为什么你的照片证明昨晚发生的事情是正确的?

    思考和平-艺术

  524. L.K 说:
    @Max Denken

    M.Denken:“……只有格罗斯曼是世界知名的作家,被认为是最优秀的……”

    噗噗噗哈哈哈哈哈哈

    这会越来越好,保持最大程度,你真的很适合开怀大笑!

    所有人的瓦西里·格罗斯曼!! 这位苏联犹太人的暴行宣传者通常像瘟疫一样被所谓的“可敬的”全息骗局历史学家避免……而且有充分的理由,因为他的书是纯粹而明显的黑人宣传。

    你看,你和 Beefcake 的区别在于,一方面,Beefcake 显然深入研究了这个主题,而你显然从未深入研究过。 你几乎不知道官方的故事,更不用说你从未读过的修正主义作品。 这就是你想出卡尔斯基的方式,甚至是格罗斯曼!

    为了你的信息,傻瓜,修正主义历史学家已经解决了所有主要的全息历史学家和他们的“论点”,并摧毁了它们。 这甚至包括像格罗斯曼这样可悲的暴行宣传者、骗子让-弗朗索瓦·施泰纳,以及像阿拉德这样的亚马逊名单上的大牌。

    修正主义历史学家卡洛·马托尼奥 (Carlo Mattogno) 和尤尔根·格拉夫 (Jürgen Graf) 写了一本专门关于特雷布林卡的书(特雷布林卡——灭绝营或过境营?),其中甚至复制了您参考的几本书中的许多段落。 我无法链接到亚马逊,因为,你看,有组织的犹太人给它施加了太大的压力,以至于亚马逊让步并撤下了整个修正主义目录。
    有人很害怕修正主义的研究,嗯,马克斯? 以至于它必须隐藏在公众视线之外。
    检查出来 http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8

  525. L.K 说:

    在他们关于特雷布林卡的书中,修正主义者马托尼奥和格拉夫写到了江湖骗子 JF 施泰纳,无知的马克斯丹肯将他的童话书作为特雷布林卡文学的一个很好的例子:

    即使是正统“大屠杀”形象的 XNUMX% 忠实拥护者也意识到这种说法破坏了他们立场的可信度。 因此十四年后,一开始对施泰纳的书表示“钦佩”的法国犹太人皮埃尔·维达尔-纳凯 [49] 突然谈到诉诸施虐狂的“亚文学”,并承认他“走进了J.-F. 设置的军鼓施泰纳。”[50] 另一位法国评论家迪迪埃·丹宁克斯 (Didier Daeningckx) 毁灭性地将施泰纳的书描述为“一部虚假的小说,它使用了“平行蒙太奇技术”。[51]

    反暴行宣传员格罗斯曼在复制了他荒谬的文本节选后,马托尼奥/格拉夫写道:

    格罗斯曼在他的启发性报告中写道,有三种大规模杀戮的方法:气体、用热蒸汽烫和通过真空泵抽空死亡室而窒息。 我们将在下一章回到这个主题。 无论如何,第二种和第三种谋杀方法很快就从历史中消失了。 只剩下毒气室了。 格罗斯曼多次假设的特雷布林卡受害者人数为 XNUMX 万,当时也因为明显太不可思议而下降,而在追随作家的出版物中,受害者人数明显减少。

  526. Art 说:
    @Max Denken

    这是你们为了报复而被杀害的犹太人。 全世界的犹太人都声称她的死是合理的,因为她很愚蠢。 伤心!

    https://i2.wp.com/www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/images/article_images/people/rachel-corrie.jpg?w=1200&quality=75&strip=all&ssl=1

    十五年前的星期五,23 岁的美国和平活动家雷切尔·科里 (Rachel Corrie) 被一辆准备拆除加沙地带巴勒斯坦人房屋的以色列推土机打死。
    科里从此成为全球团结巴勒斯坦人民的象征。
    Corrie 于 10 年 1979 月 2003 日出生于华盛顿州奥林匹亚,一生致力于捍卫巴勒斯坦人的权利。 XNUMX 年,她作为国际团结运动的成员前往加沙地带。
    她以热爱和平和捍卫巴勒斯坦人的权利而闻名,经常播放照片文章,揭露以色列在被占领土上侵犯人权的行为。

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180316-rachel-corrie-remembered-15-years-on/

    她被记住了!

    思考和平——艺术

  527. Max Denken 说:

    The last time I checked, the boss of Amazon.com was not one of them Zionists. Amazon just did what I’ve tried and failed to do here: get rid of the fruitcakes, the redundant noise.

    不过,您有 Arktos 用于出版和 Daily Stormer、VNN、codoh 和其他类似的辩论。 为什么要在这里挑起事端? 这是行不通的,你只是一群黑人直升机疯子和一群蓝白直升机疯子争吵。 你可以在这里做,因为没有技术手段可以阻止你,但是如果你搬到一个人们实际上无法阅读你和大笑的平台,对你来说会更有尊严。

    • 回复: @renfro
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  528. renfro 说:
    @Max Denken

    啊……我还是看到了。 你爱它不是吗。

    我将不得不在你的个性档案中添加施虐受虐狂。

    你应该为你的异常冲动找到一些不那么公开的解决方案。

  529. @jilles dykstra

    加沙是 150 平方英里。
    那是一个大集中营!!
    与埃及接壤的集中营。

  530. Max Denken 说:

    你不明白,男孩,

    通过将你的疯狂狗屎混入对犹太人影响、行为和言论的合法、真实的批评中,你正在毒害整个汤锅。 您正在为夏洛茨维尔的白人事业做“犹太人不会取代我们”的人群所做的事情。 如果您是 ZOA 或 ADL 的 Black Ops 单位,那么您的效率再高不过了——也许您就是这样。

    去别处,纳粹或假旗纳粹败类。 这是一个自由的国家,你可以佩戴 svastika 臂章,你可以举行自己的示威游行,但不要为我们其他人破坏它。

  531. @Art

    艺术:

    是的,你是对的。
    我们应该以波兰的方式解决“阿拉伯”问题。

    • 回复: @Art
  532. @utu

    不,我并不是在暗示以色列人想回到波兰。 我只是在解释为什么以色列人特别不喜欢波兰人。

    你说的这个“犹太复国主义项目”是什么?
    你似乎生活在平行宇宙中。 以色列有近 7 万犹太人,每个家庭 3.1 个孩子的高出生率,从现在起一代人将有 10 万。 一段时间后,项目达到一定的现实状态,不再是“项目”。

    • 回复: @snag
    , @RobinG
  533. @jacques sheete

    好吧,Nakba 在阿拉伯语中的意思是灾难。
    这对阿拉伯人来说是一场灾难——他们输掉了战争,而以色列却活了下来。
    世界上只有 21 个阿拉伯国家,从大西洋的摩洛哥到印度的阿曼。
    可怜的阿拉伯人没有足够的空间!

  534. @utu

    最简单的自动机,它忽略输入并始终产生相同的输出:“是的,另一个骗局,另一个虚假标志。”

    嗯,好的,好的。 假设我们有一个简单的自动机,就像总是这样说。

    然后我们有一个相互竞争的简单自动机,它总是说:“是的,政府和 MSM 的官方叙述,这正是发生的事情。”

    所以现在我们有两个相互竞争的自动机。 在您个人看来,这两个自动机中的哪一个更经常是正确的?

  535. Art 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    我们应该以波兰的方式解决“阿拉伯”问题。

    你希望消除所有巴勒斯坦人的东西——注意到了!

    我们会想到和平——就像你规定死亡一样。

    艺术

  536. polskijoe 说:
    @annamaria

    你的评论到底是什么意思?

    我说我尊重他。 但他不是数字方面的专家。

    苏联档案已实现,但部分……

    看看人口统计数据,不可能有 60 万人丧生。

    你会胡言乱语太多阿道夫废话吗? 谁与犹太复国主义者结盟?
    看起来你是犹太人。

    事实是,大量(和大多数)历史学家对斯大林谋杀案的估计较低。

    做一些研究,而不是依赖一两个估计。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  537. @Max Denken

    据称在这些集中营发生的事情没有证据依据。 我的存在与否与此完全无关,也与幸存者帐户之类的公然情绪操纵无关。

  538. polskijoe 说:
    @L.K

    听你说方头,纳粹拉珀。

    德国侵略者偷走了波兰的土地。 谋杀数百万波兰人。 摧毁并夷平了成吨的城市。

    甚至柏林也是由斯拉夫部落创造的。

    波兰人创造的格但斯克。

    就像许多你认为是德国的城市一样。

    波兰目前的土地是由斯大林创造的。 波兰人别无选择。

    希特勒的提议全是废话。 他是一个疯狂的大屠杀。

    纳粹德国输了。 处理它。

  539. @Max Denken

    推测亚马逊为什么撤下这些书会非常有趣,因为他们多年来一直在出售它们而没有任何明显的疑虑。 但这在这里无关紧要。 显然需要再次提醒您,这不是您的网站,而是 Ron Unz 的网站(他致力于对热门话题进行自由辩论,值得高度赞扬)。 你为什么不接受自己的建议并开始自己的博客,在那里你可以自由地控制谁做出贡献,谁不做出贡献。 至少,你为什么不让罗恩踢出所有大屠杀怀疑论者,看看他怎么说。 请随时通知我们。

  540. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    在那里没有人想念他们。 至于他们为什么讨厌? 原因之一是波兰人比其他任何人都更了解他们,并且在战争期间最低限度地见证了他们的行为。 – 您是否希望有人目睹您的女儿或妻子遭到强奸而您却无所作为,试图成为受人尊敬和值得信赖的人,或者嘲笑并将他描绘成 BS 小贩?

    Judenrat 和他们的暴徒以在贫民窟经营妓院、五星级酒店、餐馆、酒吧和歌舞表演而闻名,而他们的妇女和孩子则在街上因寒冷和饥饿而死亡,他们以勒索黄金和珠宝来换取一片面包而闻名或来自他们饥饿的兄弟姐妹的土豆。 Judenrat 黄铜和它的暴徒以强奸 5 岁的女孩和男孩以及现代世界未知的腐败规模而闻名。 波兰人目睹了他们,憎恶他们作为人类,并与他们交谈很多。

    阅读 Ringelblum 未经审查的“华沙犹太区笔记”,而不是 Yad Vashem 中的那篇

    您听说或读过多少次华沙隔都起义的“英雄”? 这是一个真实的帐户 - 一个糟糕的谷歌翻译,但大开眼界。

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https://www.maurizioblondet.it/faurisson-sulla-insurrezione-del-ghetto-varsavia/&prev=search

    追逐集中营的职员和看门人 90 多岁,但无视他们自己的 basatrds。

    “Gancwajch 和该组织的幸存成员后来重新冒充犹太地下战士,但实际上他们正在寻找隐藏犹太人的波兰人”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_13

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_K%C3%BCbler

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  541. RobinG 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    一代人之后,他们将成为巴勒斯坦犹太人。 (那些坚持下来的,就是这样。)

  542. @Max Denken

    “不要为了我们其他人破坏它。”

    就像在美联储? 一战和二战? 自由号? 9/11? 格沃特? 大规模杀伤性武器? 那种破坏?

    • 回复: @Max Denken
  543. annamaria 说:
    @polskijoe

    这就是你写的关于索尔仁尼琴纪录片“相伴两百年”的内容:“这些数字完全是谎言。 我不喜欢低智商的废话。 ……他不是数字方面的专家。”
    — 对于像“polskijoe”这样高智商的人来说,语法可能会更好。 什么是 选择您 数字? 你有什么样的专业知识,可以让你污蔑索尔仁尼琴,就好像他没有被以色列先行者的军队污蔑一样?
    这是我的帖子:“你个人有没有接触过苏联档案? 或者您认为,由于事实(FACTS,记录在案的事实)对犹太人来说不方便,因此可以隔离由诺贝尔文学奖获得者创作的书籍/纪录片。 当像你这样的人投机取巧地顺从时,你是谁去诋毁索尔仁尼琴,他勇敢地站出来反对苏联政权? 猜猜看,你脑子里的天真不允许你看索尔仁尼琴的书: https://www.sott.net/article/271904-Solzhenitsyn-Banned-all-over-again http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/most-banned-book-in-the-world-200-years-together-aleksandr-solzhenitsyn/
    ——再说一遍,你是谁来诋毁勇敢的自由思想家? 索尔仁尼琴的书《共同的两百年》中有什么让您如此难以接受? 根据维基百科,这本书是“一部关于 1795 年至 1995 年间俄罗斯帝国、苏联和现代俄罗斯的犹太人的综合历史……”这本书已被英国和美国的所有出版社封存。 猜猜,出版商和你一样相信“这些数字完全是谎言。 我不喜欢低智商的废话。 ……他不是数字方面的专家。”

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @utu
  544. @Vojkan

    一个简短的版本是,除非你认为布尔什维克主义是泛斯拉夫主义的后代,

    我不。 从来没有,这个想法对我来说似乎很奇怪,如果不是荒谬的话。

    泛斯拉夫主义与泛日耳曼主义的死亡人数无关。

    这是非常值得商榷的,特别是考虑到俄罗斯及其支持者法国和英国人对第一次世界大战的责任远远超过德国。

    他们都花费巨资建设军队,花费远远超过德国,因此他们的综合军事实力比同盟国强得多,加上德国——奥地利基本上被敌对势力包围,几乎没有什么可比性拥有自然资源,而且很脆弱,那么德国为什么要开战?

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  545. Vojkan 说:
    @jacques sheete

    狂妄自大? 奥匈帝国扩张主义? 犹太复国主义者至今仍指责塞尔维亚拒绝接受 1914 年最后通牒的所有条款。他们当着我的面这么说。 我妈妈不相信,直到她也被当面告知。 后来她来告诉我,她不敢相信我是对的。
    我向你们承认,早在 1914 年之前,战争就已经在酝酿之中,而罪魁祸首是奥匈帝国。 1878 年柏林国会管理并于 1908 年正式吞并当时占多数的塞尔维亚波斯尼亚-黑塞哥维那的同一个奥匈帝国被合法地视为占领者。 俄罗斯是忠实的盟友,她事先被警告说她会保卫塞尔维亚。 奥匈帝国出击,单枪匹马打不赢,在塞尔之战中绞尽脑汁,库卢巴拉之战后被赶出塞尔维亚,德军出手相救,西线进攻的盟国德国法国通过中立的比利时,这就是英国参战的原因。 俄罗斯因塞尔维亚而参战,英国因比利时参战,在温斯顿·丘吉尔的怂恿下,半数内阁辞职以示抗议。 在德国,没有人辞职以示抗议。 我的四位曾祖父曾参加过第一次世界大战,并在阿尔巴尼亚撤退。
    我明白人们是 p* SS *d 受到犹太复国主义政策的影响,并希望将恐龙灭绝的责任归咎于犹太人,并将德国人涂成白色,因为世界大战导致了一个不太正当和愉快的世界秩序。 我意识到犹太复国主义在 1990 年代和前南斯拉夫的战争中是多么邪恶。 大多数针对塞尔维亚人的宣传都是由犹太人进行的,就像今天针对俄罗斯一样。 实际上,那些炮制伊拉克战争的人,在那之前炮制了对塞尔维亚人的战争,现在正在酝酿对俄罗斯的战争。 但是不,德国人不是无辜的鸽子。 如果他们赢了,世界也不会变得更好。 事实上,在戴高乐被推翻之前,解放后的法国做得很好。
    话虽如此,我并不讨厌德国人,相反,我欣赏他们对欧洲文化的巨大贡献,我喜欢听巴赫、贝多芬、勃拉姆斯,就像德沃雅克、柴可夫斯基或拉赫玛尼诺夫一样。 当然,我的知识只是部分的,但历史就是历史,我不会通过意识形态的玻璃来看待它。

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  546. utu 说:
    @annamaria

    显然你正在处理斯大林的孤儿。 我不知道他们在波兰有它们,但在这里你可以在 Saker 和 Israel Shamir 博客上遇到它们。

  547. @Anonymous

    德国人自己带来了它。

    纯属胡说八道; 注意到但战时宣传的重复和神话即使在进行中也被打破了。

  548. @Max Denken

    你不能用这群“犹太复国主义黑色直升机(ZBLAH)”来取胜……

    现在这很有趣,但是像这样的嘲弄也是那些无法提出理性论点并试图为站不住脚的人辩护的人的典型代表。

    好在你们有德国人当替罪羊; “民主党 杰明茨 不知道! 哇哦!” 它总是“dem jerminz”,不是吗?

  549. @Vojkan

    我同意第一次世界大战的原因是多方面的,德国人也并非完全无可指责。 (但在俄罗斯动员之后他们别无选择。)然而,描绘英国的进入以某种方式勇敢地捍卫中立者的权利是完全站不住脚的(尤其是考虑到英国的此类侵犯历史,这很荒谬)。 英国的担忧(如 1 年的持续战争)是压制一个经济竞争对手,以及他们历史上对阻止欧洲大陆竞争力上升的担忧。

    • 回复: @Vojkan
  550. @Max Denken

    去别处,纳粹或假旗纳粹败类。

    你知道,有一段时间,我有点为你感到难过。 毕竟,我一生中的大部分时间也相信二战的传统“好战”版本。

    但是,你看,你在这里的行为越来越肮脏。 现在,你已经到了尖叫的地步,每个不同意你的人都是纳粹分子。 这只是典型的令人厌烦的谬论。 人们可以很容易地解构它,如下所示:

    有人说:“Jeffrey Dahmer 杀了一千人,伙计。”

    你回答:“不,那太荒谬了。 Jeffrey Dahmer 杀了十几个人,也许是两打上衣。”

    (其实我刚刚查了一下,官方数字是17。)

    这个人现在回复:“你他妈的他妈的,支持杰弗里·达默这样的人!”

    如果声称希特勒政权有系统地谋杀了大约 11 万人(6 万犹太人和 5 万“其他人”),而你回答说:“不,那是极大的夸张。” 这是否意味着您是纳粹政权的支持者? 不管怎样,今年是2018年! 这在实践中到底意味着什么?

    我听说过斯大林杀死了 30 万人的说法。 我很确定这也是夸大其词。 我怀疑这个政权杀了很多人,但可能只有这个数字的十分之一。

    这会让我成为斯大林主义者吗?

    你正在从事这种精神上肮脏的事情。 并且这种认为任何故事都是真实的想法是因为所有学术历史学家都宣称他们相信它。 好吧,很明显他们是这样的,当说你不相信它是一种可被判入狱之类的罪行时!

    它与指向通过酷刑逼供的供词一样有效。 当然,有人可以在酷刑下承认犯罪,而他实际上犯了上述罪行。 这是可能的,但坦白并不意味着什么。 我会承认任何遭受酷刑的事情。 任何人都会。

    你正在参与这样一种肮脏、肮脏、可鄙的话语。 真的很丢脸。

    • 同意: renfro
    • 回复: @utu
  551. Vojkan 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    俄罗斯动员起来是因为奥匈帝国袭击了她的忠实盟友塞尔维亚。 也许她不应该? 好吧,在塞尔维亚对德国的盟友奥匈帝国嗤之以鼻之后,德国进入了。 不知何故,我认为对这场战争负有最大责任的是谁真正发动了这场战争。 奥匈帝国先发制人,德国紧随其后。
    仅供参考,当时的塞尔维亚总理尼古拉·帕希奇(Nikola Pašić)在被告知暗杀选择科索沃战役周年纪念日访问萨拉热窝的弗朗茨·斐迪南大公的计划后,下令停止计划,担心这可能会导致与奥匈帝国的战争,而一场战争正是塞尔维亚在两次巴尔干战争中最后想要的。 尽管如此,阴谋者还是继续他们的计划,奥匈帝国向塞尔维亚提出了地球上任何主权国家都无法接受的最后通牒。 袭击的组织者德拉古丁·迪米特里耶维奇·阿皮斯最终以叛国罪被判处死刑并被处决。

    (1999 年的朗布依埃“协议”是类似的最后通牒,同样不可接受)

    综上所述,一战中,德国、奥匈帝国及其盟国是侵略者,他们入侵了塞尔维亚、希腊、比利时、法国,在那里打过仗,德国没有打过仗。 二战时,德国又一次入侵其他国家,你可以随意旋转它,这些仍然是事实。

  552. @snag

    障碍:
    您是否正因思维过程受到干扰而苦恼?
    当你谈论一件事然后跳到另一个几乎与第一件事无关的话题时,这就是精神分裂症的一种形式。
    你需要去看神经科医生。

    • 回复: @snag
  553. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    OMG,我伤害了你的感情吗? 再一次,在那里或任何地方都没有人想念你,处理它。

  554. utu 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    你在这个人身上浪费时间。 他年纪大了,可能已经失去了改变信仰体系中任何事物的能力。 这可能是他第一次遇到否认者或狂热者。 他一生都相信官方的正统路线。 我也不认为他能够承认简单的错误。 当我纠正他时,他没有指出二战期间波兰军队在西方实际上有很多(大约 30%)前国防军士兵的事实。 他看到的历史景观是1950年代末或1960年代初在波兰或其他苏联街区国家上过学校系统的孩子在质疑德国人无限苦难和无限邪恶的官方叙述时所看到的(当时没有使用纳粹术语)但在苏联街区)是不可想象的,也没有人听说过任何修正主义者。 与此同时,人们有经历过集中营的亲戚,他们曾经有战后没有回来的犹太邻居,他们的父母记得犹太人被围捕和带走,所以没有人有任何理由质疑犹太人的灭绝。 与此同时,犹太人的苦难并没有出现在叙事的最前沿,因为波兰或俄罗斯的苦难和英雄主义是故事的主要部分,犹太人的部分没有被加入,也没有像现在这样引起内疚,所以人们没有有理由被它激怒。

    如果这个人更聪明,有更多的想象力,他应该指出这样一个事实,即波兰虽然完全被犹太人和犹太复国主义的利益所渗透,但仍然是一股有可能改变二战官方叙述的力量。 现在,当谈到波兰人和犹太人之间的冲突时,波兰有两种选择:(1)通过强调波兰人的苦难并乞求公众舆论承认它来与犹太人竞争,或者(2)破坏犹太人关于受害者、殉道和纯真的叙述。 这家伙选择了 (1) 而实际上它应该是 (2) 出于公关目的而少量混合 (1)。 在波兰,有人意识到这一点,我也听说过现在在那里流行的针对犹太人的伟大口号:

    不要再说关于我们的谎言,否则我们会说出关于你的真相。

    这表明即使那里没有激进的修正主义者,波兰人也能理解。 他们的主要意思是关于犹太人在二战期间如何互相残暴以及他们如何通过不仅与苏联合作而且还与德国合作来背叛波兰的故事。

    但从某种意义上说,这个人对修正主义者的看法是正确的。 很多所谓的Holo修正主义者都是人渣,也有很多像你这样迷路的伪君子。

  555. Mulegino1 说:

    关于 Shoah Business 叙事和修正主义者的巨大争议的要点是:

    如果希特勒真的渴望征服世界,而国家社会主义政权确实几乎完全基于种族、民族和宗教考虑,实施了工业规模的种族灭绝和谋杀“XNUMX 万犹太人和 XNUMX 万‘其他人’”,那么它必须被视为最严重的种族灭绝之一。人类历史上暴政和专制的邪恶表现。

    如果上述情况确实如此,那么随后针对德国人(以及更广泛意义上的所有西欧和中欧人)的所有骇人听闻的暴行,即使不是完全合理的,也当然可以理解,因为它的主角是“好战”。想要拯救世界(和犹太人)免于从属和毁灭。 简而言之,德累斯顿和所有被燃烧弹轰炸的城市、苏联人犯下的大规模强奸和大规模谋杀、盟国之间的强奸和虐待文化、艾森豪威尔的饥饿营等等,都值得赦免,作为伟大的一部分。拯救世界免受德国独特的犯罪和野蛮行为的十字军东征。

    另一方面,如果希特勒没有征服整个世界的愿望,并且国家社会主义政权没有进行上述工业规模的种族灭绝——所有具体的、有形的和真实的文件证据表明他们没有——那么随后的几代人都喝了他们母亲的奶,宣传的不过是铺位。 这个铺位旨在支持大西洋主义者-北约和随后的犹太复国主义霸权主义世界观-霸权位于华尔街、伦敦金融城和特拉维夫。

    • 回复: @utu
  556. snag 说:

    “事实上,波兰虽然完全被犹太人和犹太复国主义者的利益所渗透,但仍然是一股有可能改变二战官方叙述的力量”

    在二战后的大部分时间里,波兰是由加密犹太人经营的,而且仍然是由加密犹太人经营的,因此谁对谁感兴趣是个问题? 他们有很好的波兰名字,但他们不是波兰人。
    http://www.ivrozbiorpolski.pl/index.php?page=lista-prawdziwych-zydowskich

  557. snag 说:
    @utu

    Post@589 是我对 utu@587 的回应。

    对不起 ,…

  558. utu 说:
    @Mulegino1

    你们这些否认者有没有考虑过纳粹勾结犹太人进行灭绝骗局的可能性? 犹太人要求纳粹帮助他们创造他们被灭绝的故事,因为这个故事对于推进犹太人接管世界的目标是必要的。 纳粹有义务。 他们通过了反犹太法律,然后将他们关押起来,然后将他们关押在整个欧洲的隔都中,然后他们开始将他们装上火车,将他们从一个营地转移到另一个营地,所以每个人都感到困惑,迷失了方向。犹太人去。 战后,获胜者通过让犹太人在世界各地的许多国家改名和采用新身份,帮助他们隐藏了额外的 4 万左右的幸存者。 我之所以这么问,是因为没有纳粹勾结,很难想象这个骗局怎么会如此成功:

    纳粹与犹太人勾结,制造灭绝的恶作剧

    问题是纳粹为什么要这样做? 纳粹意识形态实际上是犹太人的意识形态。 Feliks Koneczny 认为,德国人采用它是拯救拜占庭文明免于完全过时的最后一次尝试。

    https://justice4poland.com/2016/10/17/jewish-civilization-feliks-koneczny/
    Feliks Koneczny 意识到纳粹主义是最强烈的反犹太主义形式,但他认为,从某种意义上说,它是犹太文明的复制品。 从某种意义上说,纳粹主义复制了被选中的人和被选中的种族概念。 (第 362、365 页)。 此外,这两个系统都依赖于单一性。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFeliks_Koneczny
    ……Koneczny,他没有写道纳粹主义是“犹太人”意义上的犹太文明的产物。 他把文明分为几种类型,给所有文明都起了名字。 “犹太文明”是他的文明类型之一,而他的类型学中的纳粹主义属于这种类型。 同样,他写道,早期的德国是拜占庭式的文明,而俄罗斯是图兰式的文明。

    你知道我只是在哄你。

    • 回复: @snag
    , @Mulegino1
  559. Max Denken 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    没问题,只是不要撒谎并在适当的论坛中进行讨论。 USS Liberty、AIPAC、犹太新保守主义者等——那里有很多肉。 东欧共产党镇压机构中的犹太人,同上。 犹太人是移民包容性球拍的主要推动者——是的,好东西,讨论; 但是当这篇文章涉及不同的主题时,为什么要把它塞在这里呢?

    接着:

    美联储——完全是谎言; 创始人中只有一个犹太人,主要推动者是摩根大通,几乎没有被选中。 第一次世界大战与 da jooz 无关,而第二次世界大战只是关于他们作为受害者——是的,即使是 kapos 和 Judenrat 也是受害者。 所以,如果你擦掉脸上肆无忌惮的讨厌的泡沫,理性、审慎地处理这个问题,没有压倒性的确认偏见,首先,你会更接近真相,这本身很重要,第二,你会更有说服力地试图让人们看到犹太人的负面影响和行为。

    另外,还有鸡蛋的事情和愚蠢的“基督杀手”的事情,基督是一个名叫约书亚的犹太人,并被他的(犹太)助手和使徒称为拉比(它在新约中,你不知道)必须相信我)和基督教会,在其存在的前 50 年里,完全是犹太人。 你必须以冷静的客观性来看待这个问题,就像一个正直的学者所做的那样——然后你会更有说服力。

  560. Mulegino1 说:
    @utu

    国家社会主义从来没有像塔木德主义、犹太至上主义或激进的犹太复国主义那样在种族上自恋或刻薄。 它的起源和目的是尽可能在德国建立一个经济和政治公正的秩序,并消除凡尔赛对德国民族造成的不公正。

    希特勒并没有盲目地仇恨犹太人(作为一个集体),而是根据历史后见之明和个人经验,将其视为德国人民实现经济和政治独立的问题和障碍,更不用说恢复德国人民了。更好更健全的日耳曼文化。 他希望尽可能公平和人道地将犹太人从公众影响中移除,而不是杀死所有人。 在希特勒统治下的德国没有“大屠杀”或大规模的反犹太暴力爆发,唯一的例外是夸大其词的“水晶之夜”,这很可能是特工挑衅者利用暗杀德国外交官的工作波兰犹太人 Grynspan 在巴黎举行了一场会议,而该党的大多数成员,包括希特勒,都在参加慕尼黑啤酒馆政变的纪念活动。 人们可以观察第二天在人行道上排长队的犹太人照片,以提出保险索赔。 只有国际犹太人才能将破碎的商店橱窗变成可怕的“大屠杀”。

    诚然,德国犹太复国主义者和国家社会主义者有着共同的利益,即他们希望通过和平移民将尽可能多的犹太人从德国驱逐出去,但声称希特勒赞成建立以色列——他正确地预言,以色列将不会成为犹太人的家园,而是一种犯罪活动基地和国际犹太人犯罪逃犯的避风港。

  561. @utu

    除了最后一段之外,还有一个合理的评论。 所有的历史都应该是可以修改的,否则历史研究就没有意义了。 历史学家总是可能有不同的观点,有些观点比其他观点更有效,因此由读者决定他们相信什么。

    至于falseflaggots术语,它在你之下。 有足够多的虚假标志行为实例,因此在任何事件中寻找迹象已变得谨慎。 如果一个人对我撒了一次谎,那么接下来的一切都被认为是可疑的。 英国最新的神经毒剂中毒事件发生在不可靠的档案(导致伊拉克毁灭、大约一百万伊拉克人死亡和数万亿美元本应投资于改善美国人的生活)之后。 7/7 是另一个例子。

    从现在开始,英国人的说法应该一直是可疑的,直到他们打扫完房子。 美国、加拿大、澳大利亚和新西兰也是如此。

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  562. @NoseytheDuke

    英国早在 7-7 之前就失去了怀疑的好处(而美国早在 9-11 之前)。

  563. @utu

    许多所谓的全息修正主义者都是人渣

    你知道,这让我想起了......我一直相信太阳每天早上从东方升起,但我最近发现有些可怕的人也相信这一点——非常坏的人,甚至连连环杀手和折磨者。 他们还相信太阳每天早上从东方升起。

    所以现在我对整件事有了第二个想法……

    伪旗手

    嗯,我之前问过一个问题。 假设你的“falseflaggot”自动机总是输出相同的结论:它说这些模糊事件中的每一个都是一个假旗。 然后你有你的“吃屎者”自动机,它总是说官方故事是真的。

    在您看来,这两个自动机中的哪一个更经常是正确的?

    我认为这是关注问题的有趣问题。 我希望你回答它。

    我还希望你回答我不久前提出的问题:

    据报道,几周前,一头大象从动物园逃出,在光天化日之下在旧金山市中心徘徊了几个小时。 但是,您进行了详尽的搜索,在网上绝对找不到任何照片或视频。

    你会相信这件事真的发生了吗?

    嗯,上面两个问题我之前问过,你都避而远之,所以如果你最终回答,我会感到惊喜。 但是,如果没有,请告诉我,您为什么不断回避合理的问题?

  564. utu 说:

    由于我最后的评论处于和解的情绪中,我试图将您的注意力转移到对现实的更广泛的感知上。 我希望你能从强烈的痴迷中清醒过来。 但我认为需要更激进的东西。 也许是ECT?

    当你不再考虑旧金山的大象,不再相信除了成为自动机之外别无选择时,你可以再次尝试我。

    • 回复: @Jonathan Revusky
  565. @Seraphim

    希望没有。 他们在苏联的各个集中营/古拉格度过了一年,然后在 1941 年 XNUMX 月之后被释放。

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  566. snag 说:

    是的,作为告密者、警卫、内务人民委员部的暴徒和政府,是压迫者而不是被压迫者。
    .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RymTWpQg6wI

  567. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    关于你的妈妈——1938 年 17.000 月,纳粹在波兰边境驱逐并倾倒了大约 XNUMX 名犹太人,其中一些人曾经在德国生活了几十年,还有一些人持有一战前由沙皇政府在分裂的波兰政府签发的过期俄罗斯护照,其中大部分人没有证件——他们都不会说波兰语。 为什么要责怪波兰人,他们有他们那份犹太人,随之而来的就是问题。 波兰人不拥有你任何东西,没有人邀请你去那里,也没有人错过。

    没有人喜欢傲慢的擅自占地者,停止抱怨并忘记它,......

    • 回复: @Proud Israeli Jew
  568. snag 说:
    @Wally

    这并不意味着什么——我父亲的朋友在奥斯维辛集中营幸存下来,因为他是一个聪明的战士,也是一位鞋匠大师,他们需要像他这样的囚犯。

    我们不是在谈论奥斯威辛集中营,而是比克瑙集中营,这是一个专门为犹太人和吉普赛人准备的分营。 他们说奥斯威辛集中营,但指的是发生所谓种族灭绝的比克瑙。 我必须重复一遍,爸爸的朋友在比克瑙去过几次,不知道有任何毒气室,他是在战后得知的。 他在奥斯威辛唯一见过的犹太人是读到的 kapos 和告密者:一个被同化的波兰犹太人。

    奥斯威辛是德国人害怕的那些人的死胡同,比如波兰情报机构和地下抵抗的潜在领导人和组织者。

  569. Seraphim 说:

    一种非常有创意的语言用法:奥斯威辛不是奥斯威辛,犹太人在他还是一名 kapo 时也不是犹太人(“以残忍而闻名”):
    “德国集中营依赖于监督囚犯的受托囚犯的合作。 这些被称为 Kapos 的受托人执行了纳粹营地指挥官和警卫的意志,并且经常和他们的党卫军同行一样残暴。 其中一些卡波人是犹太人,甚至他们对其他囚犯也施加了严厉的待遇。 对许多人来说,不履行职责会导致严厉的惩罚甚至死亡,但许多历史学家认为他们的行为是一种同谋。 战后,卡波作为战犯,特别是那些犹太人被起诉,造成了一个持续至今的道德困境”。
    但当然,纳粹让他们这样做了。 就像犹太议会被迫指定那些被标记为“灭绝”的人一样,他们选择了“重新安置”。 想象一下他们的良心剧痛! (如果他们不是真正的“被同化的波兰犹太人”)。

  570. @snag

    Snag:您显然对 WW2 的日期、历史和地理感到困惑。 这是精神分裂症的另一个特征。 不值得用历史来打扰你,因为你不了解它。

    • 回复: @snag
    , @snag
  571. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    节省你的呼吸,不要给我打电话,只要告诉我我在哪里感到困惑或不正确,......

    在 454 我向你解释了这个所谓的凯尔采“大屠杀”的原因是什么,并让你说出其他你没有注意到的“大屠​​杀”,并不断向墙上扔“可怜的犹太人”废话,希望有什么事情发生坚持下去。
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

  572. snag 说:
    @Proud Israeli Jew

    厌倦了这种“可怜的我”的口头禅——这是你的真实面貌和心态……将其放大 2oo% 并阅读。
    -------------

  573. @utu

    当你不再考虑旧金山的大象时

    乌图,我和你的互动已经足够让我知道你足够聪明,可以理解旧金山大象的寓言实际上不是关于大象或旧金山。

    随着我最后的评论处于和解的心情

    如果你真的处于“和解情绪”中,当你在辩论中陷入困境时,你会停止使用你的这种策略,即使用故意的迟钝来试图摆脱困境。

    它令人气愤,无法与任何人(至少与我)和解,但除此之外,它还反映了一些潜在的不适。 我觉得这是非常不尊重的。 本来,我觉得这是对我的不尊重,但最后,我认为这是对自己的不尊重。

    采取这样的二流战术是缺乏自尊的人的行为。 你不会觉得有必要以受人尊敬的方式行事,因为你不尊重自己。

    我认为,这篇文章的作者也面临着同样的问题。

    • 回复: @utu
  574. anarchyst 说:
    @mark green

    犹太复国主义控制大众媒体的一个典型例子是,在 50 年 5 月 8 日以色列蓄意袭击自由号 (GTR-1967) 50 周年之际,没有一个人提到这一事件 50 周年。任何新闻媒体上的事件。 通常,几乎任何事件的 5 周年都会被提及,但不会提及自由号 (GTR-XNUMX)。
    这证明媒体是由“你知道谁”控制的……

  575. utu 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    我最近在《每日邮报》上看到奥兰多的 Pulse 发布了新视频

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5536913/New-videos-Pulse-nightclub-gunman-prepping-attack.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5512883/New-video-footage-reveals-Pulse-nightclub-shooter-open-fire.html

    和来自拉斯维加斯的新视频

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5533067/Mandalay-Bay-security-cameras-Stephen-Paddock-arsenal-suitcases.html

    并没有听到领先的假旗研究人员的太多反应。 这个新证据是否加强了他们在听到事件后大约 25 秒得出的结论,或者他们是否已经反驳了他们提出的一些主张? 或者也许新视频都是CGI?

    • 回复: @Jonathan Revusky
  576. 我快速浏览了这些链接,但我无法弄清楚您认为哪些内容令人信服。 在第一个链接中,有他走过购物中心的镜头。 某个时候,他看着一个架子上放着枪械,然后他们看到他在买东西,刷他的信用卡,上面贴着他在买枪的标签,实际上,正是他用来杀死所有人的枪那些人,但视频中并不清楚他到底在买什么。 他们所展示的东西离证明他做了任何事情还有很远的距离,这很荒谬。

    至于其余部分,我自己的信念是,他们正在播放某种演习的视频,并试图将其作为真实镜头传递出去。 这是令人难以置信的颗粒感。 你看不到太多。

    但无论如何,也许您可​​以指出视频中您认为非常有说服力的要点。

    另外,你能回答一个简短的问题吗......

    你真的相信中东有一场政治运动想要在佛罗里达州的一个同性恋酒吧里随意杀死一些同性恋吗?

    你相信吗? 如果你相信它,你能告诉我为什么他们认为这会促进他们的政治目标。 老实说,我无法理解整件事,所以也许你可以帮助我理解这种现象。

  577. @utu

    嘿,我忘了说,他们终于发布了一段女性在科隆遭到性侵犯的视频。 看一下这个!

  578. Gleongelpi 说:
    @snag

    维基百科你的准确性来源? 哈哈。 你需要去接受教育。

  579. snag 说:

    朋友 我曾经在离边境几英里的地方住了三年,在艺术学校,在远足径上度过了 3 个暑假,讲一口流利的波兰语和他们的口音,所以省点心。

  580. Anonymous [AKA "Polish reader"] 说:
    @German_reader

    致德国读者:您“忘记”提到,由于第二次世界大战,波兰失去了被斯大林和苏联占领的东部领土的 1/3。 斯大林从前波兰的这些部分中移除了 3 米林斯波兰人。 还有一点——将波兰边界向西移动的想法是雅尔塔协议的决定,波兰人没有发言权。

  581. 我不喜欢取缔思想或他们的表达,但如果有法律反对“否认大屠杀”,那么应该有法律反对否认共产党人的罪行,尤其是犹太人,因为他们在审查和审查方面非常有活力。惩罚他人。 还应该审判犹太战犯和纪念共产主义受害者的纪念碑(超越一个糟糕的雕像),这在美国(或俄罗斯以外的任何地方?)是不可能创建的,因为犹太人反对它。 正如皮尤研究中心对犹太人态度的调查所报告的那样,大屠杀是一个嫉妒的神,在大多数犹太人眼中,它已经篡夺了 Gd 在犹太宗教中心的地位。 主要的后勤任务是保持网络足够自由,以便听取反对意见。 在政治上,防御很少是足够的。 如果你想到达任何地方,你必须采取攻势。 犹太社区有许多武器可以用来惩罚波兰人的无礼,但如果将这些惩罚暴露给公众监督,他们可能会适得其反。

  582. Thirdeye 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    1938 年,德国鼓吹波兰人对捷克人的要求,加上他们在苏台德地区获得的让步,使他们濒临与英国和法国的战争边缘。希特勒正试图与波兰收集布朗尼积分。 希特勒的第一个外交政策举措是向波兰示好,在但泽走廊谈判破裂之前,他将波兰视为潜在的盟友。

  583. Thirdeye 说:
    @Anonymous

    1918-21 年的东欧几乎都在丛林法则之下,波兰和其他任何人一样遵守它:你通过武力、欺诈或胁迫获得的任何东西都是“你的”。 好吧,前提是你能让英国和法国批准它。

  584. Thirdeye 说:
    @szopen

    波兰应该根据洛迦诺条约的条款与魏玛德国解决但泽走廊问题。 假设波兰的弱邻国将继续弱下去,这是一个代价高昂的错误估计。

  585. The Truth 说:

    白痴! 莫兰斯! 你最好谈论巴勒斯坦大屠杀,你们这些罪犯!

  586. Anonymous [AKA "Art Capri"] 说:

    为什么在二战期间拯救犹太人的国家(波兰人)比任何其他国家都受到所有这些审查? 6,000,000 波兰公民在二战期间死亡。 其中 3,000,000 人是波兰犹太人,3,000,000 人是波兰人。 大屠杀不是犹太人的悲剧。 这是一场人间悲剧。 二战期间被杀的非犹太人比犹太人多,这是事实。 此外,超过 50,000 名波兰人因帮助或拯救犹太人而被处决。 我听过这样的意见:“他们本可以拯救更多的犹太人。” 他们什么都不用做! 惩罚是死刑! 然而,他们中的数千人理所当然地拯救了超过 450,000 名犹太人,他们应该得到所有的尊重,而不是批评。 上帝保佑波兰! 以色列的耻辱! 全世界都知道你的谎言和罪行。 是时候开始说实话了! 你的谎言是行不通的,是可悲的!

  587. gino 说:

    所以当波兰在战后偷德国土地以补偿苏联偷波兰土地时…………..提供了什么补偿。 要求俄罗斯赔偿多少。 当波兰忙于窃取德国土地和财产时,为强奸和谋杀德国人提供了哪些赔偿……。 广告兴趣,因为它这么晚才考虑,更不用说对此做任何事情了......

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