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美国正在放弃其作为全球人权捍卫者的作用。 最高官员的目标是针对包括美国公民在内的被暗杀的人,这仅仅是最近的一次令人不安的证据,证明了我们国家侵犯人权的行为已经扩大到了多大程度。 这种事态发展始于11年2001月XNUMX日的恐怖袭击,并得到了两党行政和立法行动的认可和升级,而没有得到公众的反对。 结果,我们的国家不再能够在这些关键问题上以道义权威说话。 吉米·卡特[1]残酷和不寻常的记录。 吉米·卡特(Jimmy Carter),24年2012月XNUMX日。《纽约时报》

since至少自1997年中国批准了《联合国经济,社会,文化权利国际公约》以来,世界人权对话一直在酝酿一场革命,而美国尚未采取这一步骤。 仅仅二十四年后的1年2021月XNUMX日,中国将成为小康,从而确立人权基准[*]繁荣程度低:这是孔子大同社会的必要前提,在这个社会中,每个人都平等地爱着每个人,并深信“每个人在晚上都敞开大门”。 在这个社会中,每个人毫无例外地都有一个家,一份工作,大量的食物,教育,安全的街道,卫生和老年护理。

那天,与中国相比,美国的贫困,饥饿和被监禁的人将会更多-这仅仅是因为他们有不同的人权优先事项。

我们优先考虑从社区中提取出来的个人自我的罗马理想,通过摆脱世俗束缚的个人自由寻求救赎-这是中国人权价值观的对立面-以及我们对其进行批评的基础。

中国差距1

他们优先考虑由社区,家庭和相互关系定义的儒家自我,并通过为社会经济和谐服务而获得解放。 饰演Randall Nadeau[3]儒家思想与人权问题。 兰德尔·纳多(Randall Nadeau)。 跨文化传播研究十一:2 2002 他说:“基于基督教的西方价值观,例如个人的极端自治,与世界的超越关系中的灵魂,个人优先于家庭,个人优先于国家,对中国人来说是陌生的。 西方将人权定义为“摆脱家庭和国家的压迫倾向”,并将人权建立在所有人基本平等的基础上。 因此,人权等同于人类的解放,即自治人从限制性社区中解放出来”。 Nadeau指出,中文甚至缺乏与之对应的语言。 自由,自由,个人,自治,权利,选择,平等尊严.

他们的优先事项在其他地方。 孟子坚持认为,政府必须首先为每个人提供食物和住所,然后才能指望合法行为。支持他们的妻子和孩子。 即使在繁荣的岁月里,他们的生活也很痛苦,而在匮乏的岁月里,他们几乎无法摆脱饥饿,在这种情况下,他们拼命地避免死亡。 他们怎么能有时间观察礼节和合法性?” 然而,尽管中国人始终将集体权利放在个人权利之上,但他们与西方并没有根本分歧,正如温家宝总理所说:“科学,民主,法治,自由和人权并不是资本主义独有的概念。 相反,它们是全人类追求的共同价值观:人类文明的成果。 只是在不同的历史阶段和不同的国家,它们是通过不同的手段和形式来实现的。”

尽管中美两国通过不同的方式和形式促进人权的发展,但是由于联合国和世界人权宣言的签署,我们可以比较它们的成功程度。 这些评论没有像通常那样审视中国的记录,而是着眼于我们自己的缺点,以解释为什么当向中国领导层过渡时,更多的是来自对中国的认可。 既成事实 比一场革命。

中国差距2

前言。 10年1948月XNUMX日,《联合国世界人权宣言》被投票通过,因此,每位个人和社会各机构在牢记这一宣言的前提下,应通过教育和教育努力促进对这些权利和自由的尊重,并通过在会员国人民之间以及在其管辖范围内的人民中,确保它们得到普遍和有效的承认和遵守的国家和国际上的渐进措施。

1. 所有人类都是天生的,尊严和权利平等。 他们有理智和良知,应该本着兄弟般的精神互相采取行动。 中国的政策 梁少一宽-对相同的刑事犯罪对少数民族进行更宽大的收费和判刑-对少数民族的类似积极歧视与美国的情况相比是有利的。

2. 人人有权享有本《宣言》规定的所有权利和自由,没有任何区别,例如种族,肤色,性别,语言,宗教,政治或其他见解,民族或社会出身,财产,出生或其他身份。 此外,不得根据个人所属国家或地区的政治,司法管辖权或国际地位进行区分,无论该国家或领土是独立的,信任的,非自治的还是在主权的任何其他限制下。 中国在1979年对越南的攻击是可耻的,但美国对其他国家的攻击则更为频繁。

3. 人人享有生命,自由和人身安全的权利。 正如吉米·卡特(Jimmy Carter)指出的那样:“有关高官针对包括美国公民在内的在国外被暗杀的人的披露,只是最新的令人不安的证据,证明了我们国家侵犯人权行为的范围已扩大了”。

4. 任何人不得被奴役或奴役; 禁止一切形式的奴隶制和奴隶贸易。 评论家称富士康(苹果在中国的制造商)的员工为“奴隶”, 强制性劳役 在美国监狱及以后 农场 看起来更糟。

5. 任何人不得遭受酷刑或残忍,不人道或有辱人格的待遇或处罚。 吉米·卡特:“我们政府的反恐政策现在明显违反了《宣言》的10条中的至少30条,包括禁止“残忍,不人道或有辱人格的待遇或处罚”。

6. 人人有权在法律面前人人承认。 囚犯关押在关塔那摩特别是为了避免将其识别为法律上的人.

7. 所有人在法律面前一律平等,并有权不受任何歧视地受到法律的平等保护。 人人有权享受平等的保护,免受违反本《宣言》的任何歧视和煽动这种歧视的侵害。 美国不起诉其犯罪精英。 中国这样做,并且比大多数人更慷慨地对待少数民族.

8. 人人有权因违反宪法或法律赋予他的基本权利的行为而受到国家主管法庭的有效补救。 美国否认对关塔那摩囚犯和切尔西·曼宁,朱利安·阿桑奇和爱德华·斯诺登的有效补救措施,并在种族隔离高峰期处决了比南非更多的黑人,其中大多数是黑人 无需试用.

9. 任何人均不得被任意逮捕,拘留或流放。 美国绑架和监禁了国内外的人们。

10. 人人有权平等地享有独立公正的法庭公正和公开听证的权利,以决定他的权利和义务以及对他的任何刑事指控。 吉米·卡特(Jimmy Carter):“最近的立法已将总统以涉嫌与恐怖组织有从属关系而无限期拘留某人的权利合法化。 该法律侵犯了表达自由的权利,在证明有罪之前被假定为无罪,这是宣言中所载的两项其他权利。 除了将美国公民作为暗杀或无限期拘留的目标之外”.

11.1. 被指控犯有刑事罪行的每个人都有权被推定为无罪,直到在公开审判中依法证明有罪之后,他才能获得辩护的一切必要保证。 (2)任何人不得因犯下该罪行时所犯的任何作为或不作为,构成本国或国际法所规定的刑事罪行,而被判犯有任何刑事罪行。 所施加的刑罚也不比实施刑事犯罪时适用的刑罚重。 美国占世界​​监狱人口的XNUMX%,其中大多数人从未受到审判。 关塔那摩湾有四十个人,其中一些人遭受了一百次酷刑。.

12. 任何人都不得对其隐私,家庭,家庭或往来信件施加任意干扰,也不得对其荣誉和名誉进行攻击。 人人有权享受法律保护,免受此类干扰或攻击。 美国进行360度全天候24小时监视,并定期对警察家庭进行入侵.

13.1. 人人有权在每个州的边界内自由迁徙和居住。 (2)人人有权离开任何国家,包括其本国,并返回其国家。 美国的秘密禁飞名单剥夺了50,000名公民的这项权利,而中国的 户口 否认在其境内的居留自由权.

14.1。 人人有权在迫害中寻求和享受其他国家的庇护。 (2)如果起诉纯粹是由于非政治犯罪或违反联合国宗旨和原则的行为而提出的,则不得援引这项权利。 美国否认爱德华·斯诺登和朱利安·阿桑奇这项权利.

15.1。 人人有权享有国籍。 (2)任何人均不得被任意剥夺国籍,也不得剥夺改变其国籍的权利。

16.1. 成年男女,不受种族,国籍或宗教的任何限制,有权结婚和建立家庭。 他们有权在婚姻期间和婚姻解除之时享有婚姻的平等权利。 (2)婚姻只有在有意的配偶自由和完全同意的情况下才能订立。 (3)家庭是社会的自然和基本的团体单位,有权得到社会和国家的保护。

17.1. 人人有权单独或与他人结伴拥有财产。 (2)任何人均不得被剥夺财产。 在没有证明犯罪的情况下,美国警察利用民事没收从美国人那里获得的收益要比强盗要多。.

18. 人人有权享有思想,良心和宗教自由; 这项权利包括改变他的宗教或信仰的自由,以及单独或与他人共同或在公共或私人场合改变他的宗教或信仰的自由,以在教学,实践,敬拜和遵守中体现他的宗教或信仰。 正如卡特所说,中国限制在美国宣传宗教,“流行的州法律允许因个人的外貌,崇拜地点或与之交往而拘留个人”.

19. 人人有权享有见解和言论自由; 这项权利包括享有不受干涉的意见自由,以及通过任何媒体和不论国界寻求,接受和传播信息和思想的自由。 美国比中国更充分地遵守这项权利.

20.1. 人人有权享有和平集会和结社的自由。 (2)不得强迫任何人属于某社团。 美国 不及格 联合国“和平集会”检查,而中国示威者每年举行数以千计的喧闹,非暴力集会。

21.1. 人人有权直接或通过自由选择的代表参加其国家的政府。 (2)人人有权平等地获得本国的公共服务。 (三)人民的意志是政府权威的基础; 这将在定期和真正的选举中表示,该选举应具有普遍性和平等的选举权,并应通过无记名投票或等效的自由投票程序进行。 中国和美国选民都没有直接选举国家元首。 中国人 囚犯 保留投票权,而选民的参与率为XNUMX%,而美国为XNUMX%。 与之相比,有XNUMX%的美国人赞成政府的政策 百分之九十 的中文.

22. 每个人作为社会成员,都享有社会保障的权利,并有权通过国家努力和国际合作,并根据每个国家的组织和资源,实现其尊严必不可少的经济,社会和文化权利以及他个性的自由发展。

23.1. 人人有权工作,自由选择工作,享有公正和有利的工作条件并享有免于失业的保护。 (2)人人有权不受任何歧视地享有同工同酬。 (3)每个工作人员都有权获得公正和优惠的报酬,以确保他本人和他的家人享有应有的人格尊严,并在必要时通过其他社会保护手段加以补充。 (4)人人有权组建和参加工会以保护自己的利益。 中国的人均工会会员数是美国的两倍,而且中国的工资增长速度已经超过经济增长四十年了.

24. 人人有权享有休息和休闲的权利,包括合理限制工作时间和定期带薪休假。 中国人每年有XNUMX个带薪强制性休假日。 美国人没有.

25.1. 人人有权享有足以维持其本人和家人的健康和福祉的生活水平,包括食物,衣服,住房和医疗保健以及必要的社会服务,以及在失业,患病时享有安全的权利。 ,残疾,丧偶,年老或其他生计无法控制的情况。 据美国住房和城市发展部估计,在一个特定的夜晚,这个拥有18万空置房屋的国家,美国大约有2万无家可归的人。 中国没有。 (XNUMX)母亲和儿童有权享受特别照顾和协助。 所有儿童,无论婚生或非婚生,均应享有相同的社会保护。 与美国相比,中国拥有更高的房屋拥有权,更低的粮食不安全感和更好的医疗保健机会。 中国的寿命在提高,到2025年将超过美国.

26.1. 人人都有受教育的权利。 教育应至少在基础阶段和基础阶段是免费的。 基础教育是义务性的。 应普遍提供技术和专业教育,并且所有人应根据自己的才能平等接受高等教育。 (2)教育应以人的全面发展为导向,以加强对人权和基本自由的尊重为目标。 它应促进所有国家,种族或宗教团体之间的谅解,宽容和友谊,并应促进联合国维护和平的活动。 (3)父母有权选择应给予子女的教育种类。 可怜的中国孩子在PISA测试中比美国孩子好.

27.1. 人人有权自由参与社区的文化生活,享受艺术并分享科学进步及其收益。 (2)人人有权保护其作为作者的任何科学,文学或艺术作品所产生的精神和物质利益。

28. 人人有权享有一种社会和国际秩序,在其中可以充分实现本《宣言》所规定的权利和自由。 自第二次世界大战以来,美国已经剥夺了XNUMX个国家的人民的权利,.

29.1. 每个人都对社区负有责任,只有这样,他的个性才能自由而充分地发展。 (2)在行使其权利和自由时,每个人仅应受法律规定的限制,仅出于确保适当承认和尊重他人的权利和自由以及满足道德的公正要求的目的而为之。 ,民主社会的公共秩序和一般福利。 (3)在任何情况下都不得违反联合国的宗旨和原则来行使这些权利和自由。

30. 本宣言的任何内容均不得解释为对任何国家,团体或个人任何从事任何活动或进行旨在破坏本文所载任何权利和自由的行为的权利。right

[1] 残酷和不寻常的记录。 吉米·卡特(Jimmy Carter),24年2012月XNUMX日。《纽约时报》

[*] 繁荣程度低:这是孔子大同社会的必要前提,在这个社会中,每个人都平等地爱着每个人,并深信“每个人在晚上都敞开大门”。

[2] 访美声明。 联合国赤贫与人权问题特别报告员菲利普·阿尔斯顿教授。 华盛顿,15年2017月XNUMX日

[3] 儒家思想与人权问题。 兰德尔·纳多(Randall Nadeau)。 跨文化传播研究十一:2 2002

[4] 伟大的学习。 孔子

 
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  1. Anonymous [AKA "Pooh Bear 250"] 说:

    I have lived in Mainland China for over a decade and have traveled extensively within China during this time. The bar graph near the top of this article is the most blatant lie I’ve ever seen in my life (which is saying a lot given the nature of US MSM today), and the only thing that amazes me more than the tendency of so many Chinese people to prop up a regime that abuses and oppresses them and leaves them no option but to live in filth and squalor is the tendency for so many from the West to believe their easily refuted lies. Like it has always been throughout history, China is as poor as fuck and is a filthy dump, including so-called modern cities such as Shanghai and Beijing. Chinese culture, as ever, remains a creepy blend of autism and sociopathy, filled to the brim with semi-conscious automatons, stammering around bumping into each other, incessantly screaming at each other about nonsense, failing to master the art of forming a line. Do not believe a word of what you read from Chinese propagandists or from US left-leaning media. The modernization, the rising economy, the supposed superior intelligence of the Chinese (ask people who’ve taught in China) — it’s all BS. There is a reason China is perpetually lagging behind, and if China doesn’t pull its head out of its ass really soon and pay attention to reality, it’s about to be FUBAR.

  2. Anon[362]• 免责声明 说:

    Blacks and ‘white trash’ are fatsos who blow their money on bling.

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  3. jim jones 说:

    Would you like to live in a Chinese house?

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  4. 仅仅二十四年后,即 1 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日,中国将树立人权标杆,成为小康社会,每个人无一例外都有住房、工作、充足的食物、教育、安全的街道、健康和卫生。老年护理。

    更不用说对法轮功学员这样的群体的迫害了。别介意中共的残酷压迫,甚至不让人民通过他们的防火墙。别介意活摘器官的丑闻。别介意那些挥舞斧头和砍刀的穆斯林在一次袭击中造成的死亡人数甚至比美国历史上最严重的大规模枪击事件还要多。别介意杀婴一胎政策造成的荒谬的性别失衡,该政策让中国数以百万计的男性没有机会上床,更不用说安定下来并养家糊口了。

    我认为,在这份人权清单上,没有哪一点是中国没有经常侵犯的。它们是美国叛徒当权者一直试图悄悄和秘密地变成的样子。极权主义者。

    但没关系!看这里!我们将为每个人提供房子和食物,每个人都会非常信任和平静,他们会在晚上不锁自己的门。

    我非常确信,Chicoms。听起来桃子很热心。如果不是的话你也不会这么说。

  5. Re the graph at top of the article, much of the reason that many USA people ‘don’t have enough money to buy food’, is because they spent their funds on nonsense, gadgets, mobile phone time, designer label clothes, and whatnot … let alone the drug abuse issue

    Too many USA residents are impulsive people, unable to restrain themselves and budget over a monthly time period

    Not to deny that there really is hardship and poverty in the USA … but lack of impulse control by USA ‘lumpenproletariat’ is quite as big of a problem

    Despite their common gambling, real estate speculation etc instincts, Chinese people have far more good sense in terms of saving and stretching funds in order to acquire the necessities of life

    • 同意: Byrresheim
  6. @Anonymous

    I’ve been visiting China since 1967, live an hour from the SW border and travel there several times a year, mostly to verify charts like the one in the article.

    I go to remote, Tier 2 or Tier 3 cities and inventory their infrastructure: does it match what a city of that size needs? How much construction is going on (of course), and the mood and physical cues of everyone I meet–their clothing, grooming, responsiveness, interactions with others, etc.

    I talk to less fortunate folks, like single mothers with illegitimate children, chamber maids and vendors. I talk to local expats–all readily accessible through their local clubs online–and see if their observations agree with mine.

    So far, everything checks out.

    What’s more, everything I see matches what you would infer from studying reports by the WTO, IMF, World Bank, foreign and local patent offices, trade figures, UN rapporteurs’ and RAND reports.

    What, specifically did you see that occasioned your doubt? Where did you see it? When? Do you have an image or other evidence we can see?

    • 回复: @Bill
    , @Art
    , @Daniel Chieh
    , @Anonymous
  7. @Anonymous

    My economics teacher gave the same opinion in ’00 when I was applying for uni and we were having debates. It was wrong then it’s wrong now.

  8. padre 说:

    It is interesting, how you pick countries, that abuse human rights!No word about Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the likes, even the USA, but China, Russia, they are disgusting with their behavior!

    • 回复: @Respect
  9. @Anonymous

    the only thing that amazes me more than the tendency of so many Chinese people to prop up a regime that abuses and oppresses them and leaves them no option but to live in filth and squalor is the tendency for so many from the West to believe their easily refuted lies

    Oriental mind.

  10. Anonymous[570]• 免责声明 说:

    Roberts: “seeking salvation through personal freedom from worldly bondage”

    犹太人的遗嘱:“我们崇拜 我们所知道的,因为救恩来自 犹太人。” (约翰福音4:22)

    No wonder the Chinese bulldozed the Liangwang Catholic Church in Jinan province last month. Being Communist is well enough kikery.

  11. Biff 说:
    @Anonymous

    Yea, you can find a lot of opinions and outright lines of bullshit here on the Internet, yours being the latter, buy hey, nobody’s perfect.
    Personally I’ve been milling around in Asia for 27 years, and it’s changed quite a lot. There still are many pockets of poor areas, but in context, things have been improving – not evenly across the board, but that’s expected; no place does.
    But in contrast to other parts of the world(maybe Detroit), there is in general a one-direction lateral movement on improving living standards.
    One kind of frame of thinking that I’ve latched on to is you don’t need a big stainless steel house on the hill to be satisfied – small and simple minimalism can be just as satisfying – I know that it might look odd to a Westerner, because it looked odd to me at first. Big houses are for those who want to get away from other family members, because social interaction with them is just so dam horrifying – you know the type – school shooters and the like.

    Point is, life is always in a flux; nothing is in a permanent state, and for those who keep trying and trying to reach perfection in their living standards that can be a real bitch.

  12. Bucky 说:

    China’s policy of liangshaoyikuan–charging and sentencing minorities more leniently for the same criminal offenses–and similar positive discrimination towards minorities compare favorably with America’s.

    You’re really going down this route? This is basically what BLM ultimately wants.

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
  13. @Anonymous

    I’ve never been to China.
    但你所描述的与下面书中所描述的明显矛盾,作者有中国妻子,中国亲戚和中国合作者
    詹姆斯·加尔布雷思(James K.Galbraith),“不平等与不稳定,大危机爆发前的世界经济研究”,纽约,2012年
    我的一个朋友是一位荷兰华裔商人的经济顾问,他和他一起去了中国,和他的父母住在一起。
    他也没有告诉我你写了什么。
    保时捷、奥迪、宝马和哈雷在中国的销量如何?

    关于人权,我属于那些得出结论的人,即 11 月 XNUMX 日不是穆斯林恐怖行为。
    此外,还有中央情报局的表演,仍然有越来越多的美国杀手无人机在美国喜欢的地方飞行。
    除此之外,世界为什么要接受西方宣传的人权?
    是什么让西方许多人认为他们有权禁止他人享有应有的人权?
    文化存在于包办婚姻的地方,有什么证据表明西方制度可以增加幸福感吗?

    • 回复: @britisharebasque
  14. China’s policy of liangshaoyikuan–charging and sentencing minorities more leniently for the same criminal offenses–and similar positive discrimination towards minorities compare favorably with America’s.

    Leftists consider this a good thing.

    • 同意: Bucky
  15. They prioritize the Confucian self, defined by community, family and mutual interactions, and finding liberation through service to socioeconomic harmony. As Randall Nadeau[3] says, “Christian-based Western values like radical autonomy of the individual, the soul in a transcendent relationship to the world, the prioritizing of the individual over the family and the prioritizing of the individual over the state are alien to the Chinese.

     Does China’s President Xi’s apparent modeling of the vision and spirit of Kublai Khan signal a more hopeful force and pattern for mankind’s future or will China’s stewardship of mankind repeat these same inequities?

    https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/08/05/middle-kingdom-vs-the-cowboys/

  16. Moi 说:
    @Anonymous

    In light of your views, I’m puzzled why you’d live there for more than a decade.

    • 回复: @D
  17. @Anonymous

    This is such an ignorant comment as it conflates the pre-Christ Hebrews with the post-Christ Talmudic Jews.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  18. This piece has some key ideas based in hogwash philosophy.

    First of all, the “Roman ideal” of a rootless individual is nonsense. Have you ever read actual Roman philosophy? They gave us the word “patria” for crying out loud. Roman people went over to the Catholic faith in large part because their pagan religions were unable to help them retain communal life during a period of great socioeconomic change and disorder.

    Second, it is wrong to state that Christianity removes the individual entirely from his patrimony. Traditional Christianity is a far more communal religion than you seem to think. There are almost countless examples of this in literature and non-leftist histories of medieval Europe, although my favorite is Chesterton’s ‘A Short History of England.’

    For evidence on the second point in Asia, I would merely cite the life of St. Francis Xavier. It took a clever mind like his to connect Christ to Asians, but once he did, conversions followed. Moreover, if China was indeed approaching some kind of synthesis between its Confucian past and its recent history, it would no doubt see such a need to persecute the underground (i.e. real) Chinese Catholic Church with the help of Marxist running dog Jorge Bergoglio, aka “Pope Francis.”

    Perhaps you’re one to say the authorities must persecute Christians because they represent a threat to ancient Chinese values. I doubt that. I think it’s because China’s government is still much more consumerist and materalist in its economic ways than any healthy state has any right to be.

    (And, mind you, I am an American who utterly despises modern America, so I have no qualms about American impressions of China being wrong.)

  19. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    it would no doubt 不是 see such a need to persecute the underground (i.e. real) Chinese Catholic Church

  20. Desert Fox 说:

    Hell, we here in America are losing our human rights and in fact our rights are under assault daily and our gov is becoming more and more like Orwells Oceania every day as the Constitution is being shredded by the Zionist controlled U.S. gov.

  21. Respect 说:
    @padre

    western , or anglosaxon , ” human rights ” campaigns are a selective weapon of psychological destruction against any country that dares to defy the Empire .

  22. 无神在此之前曾说过,毛泽东为人民做的好事比历史上任何人都多。从某种意义上说,毛泽东亲自送入天堂的人比历史上任何人都多。

    我认为我们正在被欺骗。没有人认为中国除了一个悲惨的极权主义粪坑之外还有别的什么,直到中共被推翻,所有领导人都被送入他们所属的地狱。

  23. Respect 说:

    A few decades ago in many european countries in order to have your ” rights ” you should first accomplish your ” duties ” , accomplish your duties and you will have your rights .

    But since the USA self denominated champion of the ” human rights ” of the world , without mentioning ” human duties ” , and Hollywood imposed the ” human rights ” evangile ( free lunch for all ) in the west and great part of the world , the number of bums and parasites / square kilometer in the world has increased tremendously .

  24. Respect 说:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    well said .

    Traditio vs Revolutio

    The Philipines were Cristianized , maybe China could have been too

  25. Personally, I don’t believe in “I’ve lived 30 years …” witnesses. So what? To form a valid, multifaceted view on a complex issue, one should possess a critical ability, largeness of mind, both intellectual elasticity & reliable mental framework- which is very rare.

    Other than that, one remains bogged down in trivialities:

    * 中国人是古老的、自力更生的、某种程度上自闭的种族和文化。 按照西方标准,他们是超级民族主义者。

    * 他们基本上是带有创意的模仿者。

    *作为公共和古老的文化,他们重视一致性而不是个性

    *好消息:暴力犯罪率低; 坏消息:它们完全相同,而且你无法区分 Ching 和 Chong。 汉语永远不会成为通用语言——除了东亚。

    *他们正在快速发展,但即使他们都达到台湾或新加坡的水平,他们仍然与世界其他地区有差距。 这种文化,无论高低,都没有足够的普遍性,无法成为全球性的(与西方人的所有表现形式不同)

    *他们总是与欧洲人(任何品种)不同,甚至与印度人、穆斯林(作为“棕色”种族和文化)不同,更不用说与他们几乎没有任何共同点的非洲人了

    永恒的汉族与永恒的西方人根本就是不同的物种。

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @Anonymous
  26. Eighthman 说:

    我不想住在中国。也就是说,我担心“中国正在变得像美国一样,美国也正在变得像中国一样”。

    中国是什么?腐败、依赖毒品、中央政府软弱无力保卫国家或自身。这似乎是美国目前的趋势。美国梦正在消失,中国梦似乎正在升起。

    在美国,真正可怕的是曝光的无关紧要。芝加哥抱怨犯罪、国家债务增加、部落主义增长、军队出奇地低效。我可以理解为什么人们支持特朗普,尽管他有无数的缺点:他们迫切需要一些作为解决方案的动力。

  27. Well at least there’s no equivalent to 乌兹网 there, so there’s that.

    此外,该图表还与这里所有认为政府改善经济统计数据是假的人相矛盾。

  28. Ibn Issam 说:

    虽然我对中国有很多批评,但与美国的比较仍然很有趣且令人大开眼界

    “以基督教为基础的西方价值观,比如个人的彻底自主、灵魂与世界的超然关系、个人优先于家庭以及个人优先于国家,对中国人来说是陌生的。”

    这让我想起马克斯·韦伯对宗教改革和资本主义兴起的研究。基督教的个人精神理想和自我高于一切和其他一切的观念对西方文化和社会极为不利。我认为西方的人权理想对于大多数传统社会来说是陌生的。尽管传统社会、文化、文明可能与人权理念没有根本分歧,但在人权基于什么或源自什么权威方面仍然存在核心分歧。

    温家宝总理说:“科学、民主、法治、自由、人权不是资本主义特有的概念。相反,它们是历史上全人类所追求的共同价值观:人类文明的成果。只是在不同的历史阶段、不同的国家,通过不同的手段、不同的形式实现的”。

    吉宝总理的这句话非常准确,对于伊斯兰文明同样适用。尽管我承认在各个穆斯林占多数的国家存在许多侵犯人权的行为,而且今天许多穆斯林的行为并不堪称典范。我想说,这主要是因为没有像历史上那样以最适当和最有益的方式实施伊斯兰教。

    基本人权被载入伊斯兰法。事实上,一位伟大的伊斯兰教学者伊本·盖伊姆(Ibn al-Qayyim,卒于 1350 年)曾说过:“伊斯兰教的整体是正义、仁慈和利益。因此,如果任何问题导致从正义走向不公正,或者从仁慈走向相反,或者从利益走向伤害,那么它就不是来自伊斯兰教,即使有人这么认为。”因此,伊斯兰教和伊斯兰法的共同目标是促进正义、和平以及人类今生和来世的利益。这包括社会福利和福祉的保证。

    在伊斯兰传统中,个人对其家庭、社区、部落、国家、同教、整个人类负有责任,并最终对赋予全人类人权的全能真主安拉负有责任。因此,在伊斯兰教中,人权以真主的宗教为基础,个人的福祉与更大的社区以及对他人的慈善、仁慈、怜悯和无私服务的善行密切相关。虽然伊斯兰教维护所有人平等,但很明显,上帝根据我们的虔诚在我们之间进行审判,这应该激励我们在做好事方面进行竞争,并为社区中的其他人带来积极和有益的服务。每个人都享有基本人权,这有助于确保他的福利,但也不侵犯社区的权利,或跨越上帝规定的界限。

    伟大的伊斯兰哲学家、学者和神学家加扎里从《古兰经》和《圣训》中得出了维持个人和社会福祉、避免今生难以忍受的苦难和来世潜在惩罚所必需的五种必需品。此后。具体如下:

    1-宗教(实践自由)
    2-生命(生命的神圣性)
    3-智力(坚持理性、知识和教育的力量)
    4-财产(保证资产安全)
    5- 血统(家庭/子女的重要性)

    因此,可以看出,伊斯兰教通过建立和保护人们的基本人权来提高和改善生活,同时力求确保个人不会滥用他人的权利。真正寻求取悦他的创造者的人不会滥用他人的权利,因为这将是对自己的犯罪,也是对上帝的犯罪,上帝也是被虐待者的创造者。是上帝亲自为了他的造物的利益而命定了人权和正义,因为这体现了他对我们所有人的仁慈。

  29. @Bucky

    He’s a bioleninist. Why wouldn’t he?

    Elsewhere in his article he states:

    Poor Chinese children outscore American children in PISA tests.

    Only a completely ignorant bioleninist would consider this fact noteworthy at all.

    • 回复: @Bucky
    , @Godfree Roberts
  30. FB 说:
    @Anonymous

    You’re just a bullshit artiste…I seriously doubt you’ve ever stepped foot in the PRC…

    Provincialism is incredibly easy to spot…especially for people who have actually traveled the world…you’re not fooling anybody, except other hayseeds here who haven’t gone anywhere or seen anything…

    Like Mr. Roberts challenged you to do…please show some actual evidence for your claims…LOL…I think we’ll be waiting a long time for that…

  31. FB 说:
    @jim jones

    real ‘authoritative’ youtube video there…a couple of certified yahoos who go and find some dilapitaded building…like there aren’t all kinds like that in any city…does anyone even live there…I didn’t notice a single live Chinese person in that whole video…LOL…I guess all 1.4 billion of them must be hiding…

    Why not interview some of the people there…?…oh yeah…because then their fake BS would fall apart…

    And these certified yahoos are talking about building ‘standards’…funny I didn’t see their ciuvil engineering diplomas displayed in the video…LOL

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  32. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    GDP purchasing power parity per capita….yay China!

    64 Iran 20,030
    65 Mexico 19,480
    66 Lebanon 19,486
    67 Gabon 19,266
    68 Maldives 19,178
    69 Turkmenistan 18,680
    70 白俄罗斯 18,616
    71 Botswana 18,146
    72 Thailand 17,786
    73 巴巴多斯 17,508
    74 Montenegro 17,439
    75 Azerbaijan 17,433
    76 Costa Rica 17,149
    77 Iraq 17,004
    78 Dominican Republic 16,965
    79中国16,624

    Also, it is a lot less fun than many of the basketcases that nonetheless have a higher average living standard.

  33. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    I get that a lot of people want to boost China as a way to criticise the West’s policies, but better to stick with Japan.

    Factually China is a less than average productive country which manages to be even less than the sum of its parts.

    This type of argument reminds me of that made about the Soviet Union in the 70s by idiot socialists.

    The article is high nonsense. The elite Chinese version of the red pill is leaving their tier one city/tourist hotspot bubble for the first time and realising that the place is a mess. An improving mess with a huge (but proportionally small) elite but a mess nonetheless.

    An authoritarian government that obsesses over its image combined with a population that feels exactly the same way is not a recipe for clear-eyed appraisal.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @FB
  34. Anonymous[570]• 免责声明 说:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    This is such an ignorant comment as it denies what the Jew Testament teaches: Christians are pathetic wannabee Jews. Who cares which of the many sects of Jew is the most embarrassing with which to be associated; all Jews are freakish genital-mutilators. Why would you too desire to be an honorary genital-mutilator?

    “因为割礼是我们[基督徒]。” 腓立比书 3:3

    And it wasn’t the Talmudic variety of Jews who inspired Marx, it was Christian Jews.

    “Not one of them claimed that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them…and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.” Acts 4:32-35

  35. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    The West over self-criticises, especially the Anglosphere. China doesn’t even have the skill. Anyone will be able to see all of the latter in the inevitable syntactically incorrect incoherent jingoistic nonsense that will follow my previous posts.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @Art
  36. DB Cooper 说:

    On Point 7 Godfree touch on the point that China treats its minorities more generously than the majority but did not elaborate.

    Studies have shown that this is in fact the case.


  37. Anonymous[570]• 免责声明 说:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    The Romans did give us the word “patria” — which the Jewish Rabbi Jesus denounced.

    “Call no man your Πατὴρ [patre].” (Matthew 23:9)

    Jesus went further to denounce Roman (Gentile) white patriarchy in Matthew 20:25, Mark 10:42, and Luke 22:25 Jesus was the original Antifa fanatic. For good reason, the Chinese realize that Jews aren’t good news for ancient Chinese values.

    You are correct in observing Traditional Christianity is a far more communal religion, as Karl Marx lifted his famous maxim nearly word-for-word from a couple passages found within the Jew Testament.

    犹太人的遗嘱:
    • “each according to his ability” (MT 25:15)
    • “all things were 共同财产 to them…and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need” (Acts 4:32,35)

    犹太马克思:
    “各尽所能,按需分配。”

  38. FB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    LOL…like we care to hear from a silly little greenbeak who had to get dad’s permission to even go to Israel on a free trip…LOL

    What the hell do you think you could contribute to any discussion with your vast ‘experience’…?

    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
  39. AnonFromTN 说:

    The concern of the West about human rights always was and still is a ruse for the gullible. In fact, it is an epitome of hypocrisy of self-appointed “democratic” countries. The West along with Saudis and other Gulf satrapies sponsored Al-Qaida and ISIS. They also sponsored and armed Nour al-Din al-Zenki in Syria, calling it a “moderate” group, even though these particular bandits beheaded a Palestinian boy on camera (description and the video of that heinous crime is here: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/aleppo-rebels-behead-a-child/). “Democratic” countries keep selling tons of weapons to Saudis engaged in genocide in Yemen and brutal suppression of human rights at home. In fact, KSA is just as extreme and guilty as ISIS, but it is called “our ally in the ME”. “Democratic” countries don’t give a hoot when their puppets in Ukraine torture prisoners, or when IDF shoots Palestinians. Those “defenders of human rights” murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and tens of thousands in Afghanistan, not to mention their wholesale slaughter of civilians in Vietnam and Korea, as well as in Germany and Japan before that.

    I am not saying that everything is perfect with human rights in China, or Iran, or Syria, or even Russia. What I am saying is that kettle does not have the right to call any pot black.

    • 同意: Biff
    • 回复: @FB
  40. DB Cooper 说:
    @Anonymous

    If you go to YouTube and do a search there are tons of vlog posted by expats about their lives in China. These vlogs show not only cities like Beijing or Shanghai but smaller cities or even the boonies. Some are English teachers on short stay, some married into Chinese families and lives there for decades. None of these vlogs show anything in common with what you said. You are a liar.

    Obviously this article reveal a China that is not as bad as the MSM would like us to have believed and this bother you. My question is why?

    • 同意: FB
    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @FB
  41. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Never saw that problem. If anything, the West praises itself much more than it deserves. “Shining city on the hill” and the rest of this BS. You are joining the MSM chorus in this hypocritical self-praise. I wonder why?

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  42. AnonFromTN 说:
    @DB Cooper

    Because, just like Western MSM, this Pooh Bear would never let the reality stand in the way of propaganda.

  43. Vidi 说:
    @Anonymous

    I have lived in Mainland China for over a decade. [Lots of trash talk deleted]

    什么时候 did you live in China? In 1950, right after a civil war destroyed much of the country?

  44. FB 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    You left out some good historical examples…the phrase ‘concentration camp’ first came into use during the genocidal British war against the mainly Dutch Boer farmers of South Africa…where they rounded up women and children and starved to death over 25,000 in these death camps…

    Lizzie van Zyl a Boer child, visited by Emily Hobhouse in a British concentration camp…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

  45. FB 说:
    @DB Cooper

    Simple answer is ‘pooh bear’ is full of shit…he’s never stepped foot inside China…that’s obvious to anyone…

    As to ‘why’ this troll suddenly appears…because he happens to work for a troll farm…

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
  46. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    You think a Jew saying that the West is overly self-critical equals “hypocritical self-praise”?

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @denk
  47. Vidi 说:
    @James Solbakken

    无神在此之前曾说过,毛泽东为人民做的好事比历史上任何人都多。从某种意义上说,毛泽东亲自送入天堂的人比历史上任何人都多。

    Did you actually read Godfree’s article? China’s population actually 增加 大跃进时期。

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
    , @Jaylon
  48. Ibn Issam 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    我们优先考虑罗马人的个人自我理想,从社区中抽象出来,通过摆脱世俗束缚的个人自由来寻求救赎。

    “狗和狼的生活是不同的,”鲁米在一首诗中说道,“上帝的狮子的灵魂是团结的。”

  49. @Anonymous

    Someone who visited China once told me that it was very common there for women to hold their infants above public trash cans to let them relieve themselves. This wasn’t in some backwater berg either, it was in Shanghai.

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
  50. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:

    When I went to China, one thing that surprised me was how inexpensive the food was. Not only for an American using dollars but also for the average Chinese. Besides brick and mortar restaurants, there were also a lot of street vendors selling food everywhere.

    Contrast that to America, where almost all eating is done inside at restaurants and you are expected to tip an outrageous 20%. We have cheap fast food restaurants but I wouldn’t even call that food.

    A big difference with the West is how expensive our real estate is and how over regulated we are. The high commercial prices mean restaurants have to either cut corners or pass through costs to the consumer. Even cheap places like Mexican food can easily cost $20. Also, we are so regulated in the west street vendors have pretty much all been driven out.

    As China has a real estate bubble of their own to deal with, maybe they will see similar issues of people not being able to afford to eat.

  51. DB Cooper 说:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Infants have no control of their bladder. If dogs can relieve themselves in the public why not infants? Isn’t the West is huge in human rights so what about this cruelty to infants that they have to abide to the norms of an adult?

    In the West having the infants relieve themselves in the public is a social faux pas but Chinese obviously don’t see it that way and for good reasons and we should respect that. The problem with you is that you see everything in the West as the standard and every deviation from it an aberration that needs to be corrected. That is the problem.

  52. Bill 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    So far, everything checks out.

    Are the poor Chinese who allegedly do have enough to eat more or less obese than the poor Americans who allegedly 不要 have enough to eat?

    • 同意: Tyrion 2
    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  53. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    These stats also flatter China’s economy given that their working age population is almost at a once in a demographic transition peak and that their society is particularly commodified.

  54. Art 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    在过去的一千年里,中国人一直在实践混乱的哲学,并且挨饿。

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    今天,中国人窃取了西方创造的东西,而且做得很好。几十年之内,中国人将重蹈覆辙,而西方思想的金鹅将被粉碎。这已经发生了。共产党及其终身独裁者的异议变得更加具有压倒性。

    这篇文章所说的关于美国的大部分坏话都是真的。美国正处于一个黑暗的地方。它的西方价值观已被犹太人的强制所取代。贪婪的自恋的犹太人个人主义已经超越了西方负责任的社区意识。

    基督教将会卷土重来并击败犹太人。

    认为和平—无害—艺术

  55. Anonymous[317]• 免责声明 说:
    @James Solbakken

    Hell, say you? Slopes aren’t welcome in the Nordic underworld realm of Loki’s half-dead daughter 地狱, where we Ice People who have completed our life’s journey on the 公路到地狱即, 赫尔韦格尔, 将要…

    …spend their time doing the same kinds of things that Viking Age men and women did: eating, drinking, fighting, sleeping, and so forth. It wasn’t a place of eternal bliss or torment as much as it was simply a continuation of life somewhere else.
    http://norse-mythology.org/cosmology/the-nine-worlds/helheim/

    Of course, the Jew-worshiping Christians believe that their own ancestor’s myths of Hell are something to be mocked, which is good reason for the Chinese to tear down Christian churches, if only to keep their own people from becoming as Jew-addled as the Kike-wannabees who comprise the “西部设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    洛基哭了。

    曾祖父 won’t.

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
  56. @Godfree Roberts

    I remember the “squalor” of China in 2009. The pollution was always an issue and outside my apartment, there were newly destroyed buildings for probable reconstruction. Laws being what they were and unclear ownership, quite a few people were scavenging among the rubble for metal that I presume they later sold. There was something about the efficiency to it, though, that is hard to forget – by the time they were finished, and I assume some work crews came, it was actually clean and ready for the next construction.

    I remember the work crews sitting in great numbers on the grass, and how canteen food was brought to them at lunch: a bowl of soup and a bun for each. Simple, and for a Western consideration, pretty harsh – but hardly terrible. Oh yeah, and evidently they could form a queue. I remember the lights of welders going day in, day out. I remember entire new buildings created in a week’s time. I’m sure with the safety conditions being what they were, more died than what we would find acceptable.

    There is was a 硬度 to life then, for many. But things got done, and as hard as life was for them, the word “squalor” isn’t quite right. They had jobs, homes, and hopes. Perhaps entertaining was more plain – I remember some of them listening to a dramatic rendition of 三国演义 on the radio, or a bit more alcoholism on the weekends than ideal with the fiery 白酒, but these were not, on the whole, “miserable, oppressed people.”

    These days, much of that has gone away for smartphones and e-bikes and stupid status signaling. Life is overall better. But I think its worth noting that even when it wasn’t, its hardly the disaster that some propagandists want to portray.

  57. Vidi 说:

    For the last 1,000 years the Chinese have been practicing Confusion [sic] philosophy, and have starved.

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    China wasn’t more prosperous than the West for most of the last 1000 years? I think Marco Polo would strongly disagree with you.

    Today the Chinese have stolen what the West created

    Bought, not stolen. No one forced American corporations to do business in China. The price of making giant profits was that they had to transfer technology, but that was purely voluntary — the corps were totally free to stay away.

    Yes, China may have stolen some minor bits of technology, but every country has done that — emphatically including the U.S.

  58. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    Personally, I’m not too worried about the poor in the U.S. going hungry either:

    Poverty and Obesity in the U.S.

    Are poverty and obesity associated? Poverty rates and obesity were reviewed across 3,139 counties in the U.S. (2,6). In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of >35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties.

    http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/11/2667

    图。 1。

    Data from 3,139 counties in the U.S. Quintiles are cohorts of counties ranked by the percentage of people living with poverty. Quintile 1, the wealthiest quintile, includes 630 U.S. counties with a mean county poverty rate of 8.2% (median household income, $56,259). Quintile 5, the poorest quintile, includes 629 counties with a mean poverty rate of 25% (median household income, $32,679). A: County age-adjusted obesity rates by poverty quintile. B: County obesity rates vs. county leisure-time sedentary rates (sedentary adults are those who report no physical activity or exercise other than at their regular job). C: County sedentary rates. D: Age-adjusted diabetes rate by poverty quintile.

    Obesity rate will reach nearly 50% by 2030 in the U.S., says OEC

    Sumber: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-is-the-most-obese-nation-in-the-world-just-ahead-of-mexico-2017-05-19

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @FKA Max
  59. DB Cooper 说:
    @FB

    Pooh Bear is obviously full of shit but I am interested in the psychology behind it because he starts out by saying how abusive and oppressive the government is to its people and then meander into denigrating the Chinese people as semi-conscious automatons. I don’t get the logic behind it because if I hear a people being abused and oppressed my natural instinct is to empathize with those people instead of launching a diatribe against them.

    I suspect Pooh Bear is from a people who are butt hurt and jealous of China the country and the Chinese people and this is the only way he can express himself.

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @FB
  60. Ibn Issam 说:
    @Art

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    世俗的西方并不是因为基督教哲学而繁荣,而是尽管如此。

    • 回复: @Art
  61. Art 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    The West over self-criticises, especially the Anglosphere.

    Oh dear – oh my’ – who dares to criticize what the Jew Rothschilds own fare and square.

    It is all an anti-Jew anti-Semite plot – oh’ the suffering!

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    • 回复: @Bucky
  62. Anonymous[317]• 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    Famines are just as much a part of “Christendom” as of China. In fact, right after the dominant religion of the Roman Empire became Christianity, the “West” was swiftly rewarded with 400 years of incessant famines.

    日期: 400–800 AD
    活动: Various famines in Western Europe associated with the Fall of the Western Roman Empire and its sack by Alaric I. Between 400 and 800 AD, the population of the city of Rome fell by over 90%, mainly because of famine and plague.[6]
    地理位置: Western Europe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines


    Christianity will come back and defeat the Jews
    , say you? Are Christians going to defeat themselves?

    • “每个基督徒内心深处都是犹太人。” -教皇
    • Philippians 3:3: “For we are the Circumcision.” -Jew Testament

    Art: Greedy narcistic Jew individualism has overtaken the Wests sense of responsible community.

    You got that right! Let’s blame who is to blame – the Rabbi Jesus. He taught to “hate” your blood and kinsmen (Luke 14:26) and “forsake” your native soil (Matthew 19:27-30), while chasing hyper-individualized “salvation.” Note how salvation is for individuals only, and the Great Evangilizer’s goal is to actually tear apart society.

    Jesus: “Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

    Luke 12:51-53

    The Chinese are right in tearing down this insane Jew’s cult gathering buildings.

    • 回复: @Art
  63. DB Cooper 说:
    @DB Cooper

    Here is a clip showing Pooh Bear doing his thing. Go to 0:23, the guy with a purple shirt and green pant is Pooh Bear.

  64. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Art

    The West practiced Christian philosophy and thrived for the last 1,000 years? If there were a Nobel prize for the BS, you’d be the winner!

    The great majority of the population in the West starved until very recently. The first glimmer of hope of feeding people sufficiently appeared during Renaissance, after the West shook off much of the Christian philosophy that dominated (some might say engendered) the Dark Ages. The last mass starvation in the West followed WWII. So, Chinese mass starvation during Cultural Revolution was only 20 years later.

    Any other historical news you’d like to impart?

    • 回复: @Art
  65. Vidi 说:

    我写:

    [The technology was bought by China], not stolen. No one forced American corporations to do business in China. The price of making giant profits was that they had to transfer technology, but this was purely voluntary — the corps were totally free to stay away.

    I might add that Americans — and other Westerners, but especially Americans — appear extremely butt-hurt that the transfer of technology to China was an honest business transaction. These people seem to think that it’s their divine right to pay starvation wages, make enormous profits as a consequence, and not give anything back.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  66. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    If I were you, I would go by the hard facts, rather than by what any Jew (or Christian, or Muslim, or Buddhist, for that matter) says. As the American saying goes, talk is cheap.

  67. AnonFromTN 说:
    @DB Cooper

    You might be right. The most butt hurt about China country is India. They used to be near-peer rivals, but now China is so much ahead that it does not even notice India most of the time, unless Putin points them to it. Indians are jealous. The second most butt hurt country is the US.

  68. FB 说:
    @DB Cooper

    I think it’s much simpler than that…that was ‘pooh bear’s’ very first post on this site…obviously a troll farm worker…I recognize them here all the time…they always have no commenting history, or very little and they jump on subject-specific issues…and then just as quickly disappear…

  69. @FKA Max

    Puff, puff….

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/benjaminshobert/2017/01/22/chinas-growing-obesity-problem/#6b5e38c56ecf

    These days, it seems China is beating America at almost everything.

    Take obesity: A recent study published shows that China can now lay claim to having a greater percentage of obese men and women than in the United States.

    Perhaps Americans can take solace with the realization that China’s success has only come on the heels of Western fast food chains penetrating a domestic Chinese market.

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  70. CJ 说:

    Everybody else can argue about China. I’m only going to talk about that graph that shows four times as many Americans as Chinese can’t afford enough food to eat. It is impossible to travel widely through the USA and believe that there are any functional people who aren’t getting enough to eat. What strikes you more are all the dysfunctional people who clearly eat too much.

    How can you believe anything else in there after you see that graph?

  71. @Vidi

    “你真的读过Godfree的文章吗?中国的人口实际上在大跃进期间增加了。”

    我有说人口减少了吗?不。仅仅因为毛泽东不能在他们出生之前就谋杀他们,并不意味着他是一个好人。

    大跃进只是毛泽东四十年恐怖统治的一部分。但我承认,暴力实际上并不是关于毛泽东本身,而是关于他的共产主义马克思主义哲学的邪恶。他像任何马克思主义者一样相信,征用和再分配是治理世界的好方法。事实是,征用和再分配是邪恶的,会给普通人带来灾难性的痛苦。当然,对于典型的官僚来说,并没有太多痛苦。

    • 回复: @Vidi
    , @Godfree Roberts
  72. Art 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    世俗的西方并不是因为基督教哲学而繁荣,而是尽管如此。

    这是荒谬的——西方科学来自基督教大学,这些大学在西方国家大量存在,具有基督教哲学。西医来自基督教医院。

    基督教提供了允许繁荣和稳定的家庭和社会习俗。

    Was it perfect – clearly not — but it was profoundly better than all the others.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Vidi
  73. Anonymous [AKA "larjo"] 说:

    As a Christian priest, I have to protest the commentary in the article about an elevation of the individual above family and community being a Christian value. There is a balance and, yes, unlike in other views the individual actually matters, but the Bible had a lot to say about setting aside ourselves, living as family, and seeing after the larger Christian body and community. The idolization of the individual above all else is a fringe notion.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Godfree Roberts
  74. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:

    China has major problems. This article ignores all of them.

    It’s too much to refute in such a small space. I have not the incentive nor the time.

    Investigate for yourself subjects such as economic inequality, industrial and chemical waste, air pollution, smog, water pollution, trash disposal and landfill management, construction failures, the rate of HIV, closet homosexuality, execution for minor offenses, dismal treatment of women etc……. Use your imagination.

    做自己的研究。

    Godfree is blowing smoke up your ass.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  75. @Anonymous

    “这是中国人拆除基督教教堂的充分理由,哪怕只是为了防止自己的人民变得像构成“西方”的基克崇拜者一样陷入犹太人的泥沼。 ”

    哎呀,你似乎忘记了这样一个事实:中国人是有史以来最受犹太人困扰的民族,因为共产主义是一种凯克哲学。相比之下,凯克人憎恨基督和基督教,并且从它诞生以来就一直憎恨它。如果你不是一个流口水的弱智,你就会知道这一点。不过,不错的尝试,请再次旋转。

    你特别好,称你的意识形态之父为“kikes”。多么讽刺。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  76. phil 说:

    For the chart at the beginning of the piece it would have been more helpful to compare the Chinese in China with the Chinese in America. In America, for example, almost all homeless people are white or black; very few are Chinese or Hispanic.

    One day I was driving into town. On the way there I saw Hispanics waiting to be picked up for day labor. After breakfast I was approached by a white who asked for money. I told him where he could go to wait to be picked up for day labor. He was aghast. Not many Hispanics simply ask people for money.

    A professor told us that crime was caused by poverty. I asked him how many murders there are in Chinatown annually (where, statistically, some of the poorer US Chinese live). He became quiet. There are very few murders in Chinatown, and almost all of them result from domestic disputes.

  77. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    错字: Obesity rate will reach nearly 50% by 2030 in the U.S., says *OECD*

    Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Obesity

    Among U.S. adults, Black and Latino populations have substantially higher rates of obesity than do White populations. This is true among both men and women.https://stateofobesity.org/disparities/

    图4。 Current Obesity & Overweight Rates Among Adults by Race and Ethnicity (2011—2012). Special Report: Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Obesity. The State of Obesity Web site. http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/。 访问了十月3,2016。

    Sumber: https://www.bu.edu/sph/2016/10/09/meeting-the-challenge-of-obesity/


    More than 15 million U.S. children live in “food-insecure” households — having limited access to adequate food and nutrition due to cost, proximity and/or other resources.1 Low income individuals are at increased risk for both food insecurity and obesity.
    https://stateofobesity.org/food-insecurity/

  78. Art 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    The great majority of the population in the West starved until very recently. The first glimmer of hope of feeding people sufficiently appeared during Renaissance, after the West shook off much of the Christian philosophy that dominated (some might say engendered) the Dark Ages.

    This is wrong – the Dark Ages were a time of relative peace. Farming communities were centered around Christian Abbeys. Sure, people suffered weather and pandemics — but not great nation to nation tribal wars.

    The glue to this peaceful time was Christianity. The return to Rome-like nation state wars, was a move backwards to the bane of human rational order – tribalism.

    Think Peace — Maintain Christian Idealism, Hope, Life, Love, Truth, Forgiveness — Art

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  79. @Anonymous

    Well said! Thank your saying that. I suspected as much. I would add that if the Chinese really think liberty of the individual is an alien and decadent idea that is all the more reason to keep them from immigrating here. We want people who, though not necessarily wretched or huddled, are yearning to breathe free. The right to define one’s goals and express one’s views is the ONLY human right, since without it the others are just the right of a vegetable to be watered.

  80. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Have you seen this mini-docu, yet?

    American Fast Food Took Over Kuwait And Made Its People Obese: VICE on HBO

    • 回复: @Ivan
  81. Art 说:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese are right in tearing down this insane Jew’s cult gathering buildings.

    (317) — your words define you – clearly you are an angry sick-o.

    You can not think of Peace – can you?

    Do No Harm — Art

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  82. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Art

    There were no large-scale country-to-country wars because there were no stable united countries after the demise of the Roman Empire. However, Dark Ages were the time of incessant small-scale feudal wars, not the time of peace. Christian abbeys, like other feudal landholders, engaged in those wars. Crusades were large-scale wars blessed by the Christian Church (you can blame Catholics for those, if you are a Baptist, but that’s lame).

    In peacetime farmers often suffered because of bad weather and consequent low crop yields, not to mention plagues of various sorts. Sufficient food appeared in the nineteenth century. Science got a foothold in the Universities only after they stopped specializing in graduating priests. Medicine was a city thing. As a concept, it is anti-religious (if the good God wanted you healthy, he’d make you healthy).

    • 回复: @Art
  83. Anonymous[209]• 免责声明 说:
    @Vidi

    Only if you consider the business elite selling out their own people for profit honest. Americans should be angry, but not at the Chinese.

  84. Anonymous[209]• 免责声明 说:
    @CJ

    这个。

    Even the beggars on the street look like walruses. Go out in the sticks and people are even fatter. Seriously, the only thin people you’re likely to see are other tourists.

  85. Art 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    There were no large-scale country-to-country wars because there were no stable united countries after the demise of the Roman Empire.

    Gee’ – would we not like to tray that again after the Jew Empire of America falls to pieces?

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have local communities run by idealists, being the only power in the world?

    Of course, a thousand years after that, some guy from TN will find fault because it was not perfect.

    Perfect is the enemy of the good.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    p.s. Do your realize that if you do no harm – that still, some bad things will happen – the universe is a bitch.

  86. Anonymous[142]• 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    Angry = sicko, huh? In your inept attempt to deflect from facts you find uncomfortable, you just indicted the Jewish Rabbi Jesus as a “sick-o.”

    “…this made Jesus 很生气…” (Mark 1:40-44)

    And yes, that is the way it reads in any honest translation — even if they’re only honest in the footnotes, as this theologian points out…

    I am always amazed by how many people completely ignore the footnotes of their Bibles. (Then, I remember the studies showing how often people actually read their Bibles, and to what extent…) I’ve got at least ten different print translations right here on my shelf and they all concede that the original Greek was “anger” (in a couple of cases, “extreme anger”) as part of the footnotes. This begs the question: Why are publishers purposefully hiding the most original, most accurate translation in the footnotes?

    If you are confused why so many Bibles use the wrong (new/changed) translation of this verse, rather than the oldest, most original Greek – ask you Pastor about the Greek words, orgistheis, embrimesamenos, and exebalen… (Then, think about it on your own and maybe do a little research on other important verses in the Bible that have been altered through the ages….)

    http://www.awkwardmomentsbible.com/angermanagement/

    怎么办?

    • 回复: @Art
  87. Art 说:
    @Anonymous

    that is the way it reads in any honest translation.

    (142)

    You need to translate this – it will do you more good than anything you will every contemplate.

    Jesus — “The truth will set you free.”

    思考和平-艺术

  88. Anonymous[570]• 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    Modern science came from Europe’s rediscovery of long suppressed Greek philosophy, i.e., the Enlightement, especially the rediscovery of the atomist and naturalist philosopher Epicurus (via his follower Lucretius’ poem 德雷鲁姆·纳图拉(De Rerum Natura)), 尽管 of Christianity’s howling resistance to reality.

    Of course, Christian SJWs –and they were the original SJWs–have their own just-so goddidit narrative. The midwit St. Paul mocked Epicurus’ atomic theory in the Bible. Yes, “atom” ἀτόμῳ (atomō) is in the Jew Testament. Ask yourself why you don’t know where, and have to look it up.

    • 回复: @Art
  89. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @CJ

    To me, it is not really about food but real estate prices.

    I don’t think we literally have a starving people epidemic. But we do have crazy high real estate prices that eat away at disposable income.

    I know lots of people who cannot afford to eat out anywhere. So based on the way the question was phrased, I can see that as being true.

  90. Anonymous[570]• 免责声明 说:
    @James Solbakken

    共产主义是一种哲学 直接出自《犹太全书》。

    “没有一个人声称属于他的东西是他自己的,但所有东西都是 共同财产 给他们……并根据每个人的需要分配给每个人。” 使徒行传4:32-35

    凯克斯爱基督。如果你能相信《犹太全书》。

    他经常在他们的会堂里教导,受到大家的称赞。路加福音 4:15

    耶稣就像托洛茨基。

    苏联共产党人 终于 hated Trotsky, and had him assassinated too. By your midwit “logic” we we all must all become Trotskyites, because, hey, Communists hated him and had him killed and we hate Communists, so we love Trotsky!!!! LOL

    You’re stupid enough to insert yourself into Jewish infighting and pick a side. That takes a true moron.

    • 回复: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  91. The most remarkable aspect of the figure is the sudden drop in hungry Chinese people between 2009 and 2010. It is true that Chinese GDP had high growth in that year, but this was also true for most other years. Is there any particular reason for the sudden change?

    The drop is significant because it accounts for most of the difference between the USA and China since 2009.

  92. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    In places that really believe in HBD you often see white people talk endlessly about how white people are exceptional due to their individuality which no other race seems to have.

    I think this stems mainly from insecurity as blacks are clearly superior physically and asians are clearly superior mentally (except for Ashkenazi Jews of course).

    So these white HBDers have to manufacture something that makes whites special. This is also why they always harp on creativity as well.

  93. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I am puzzled. I said nothing about either

    ‘the “Roman ideal” of a rootless individual’ nor that ‘ Christianity removes the individual entirely from his patrimony’. Nothing whatever.

  94. D 说:
    @Moi

    这是一个公开的秘密,大多数(如果不是全部)长期在中国的西方侨民在国内都是失败者(LBH)。 他们依赖中国作为收入来源和与他们上床的女人,但他们也典型地表现出对中国人民的蔑视,并希望毁灭中华民族。

    • 回复: @Bill P
  95. @James Solbakken

    互联网上我们可以讨论此类主题的论坛已经很少了。为什么要把它扔掉 广告人身攻击?

    If you want to question something I’ve written, question it. If you want to offer evidence to contradict what I write, offer it.

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
  96. @Ibn Issam

    Thanks heaps!! I’ve been wondering when someone would explain Islam’s approach. Very helpful

  97. @Thorfinnsson

    You are aware of the predictive power of IQ scores taken at age 12, I assume?

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
  98. @Tyrion 2

    Your point being, presumably, that if a country with a low GDP/capita can eliminate hunger, homelessness and poverty, then why can’t we?

    I totally agree and suggest you ask your Congressman. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @Thorfinnsson
  99. Vidi 说:
    @James Solbakken

    我有说人口减少了吗?不。仅仅因为毛泽东不能在他们出生之前就谋杀他们,并不意味着他是一个好人。

    China had low rain for several years in a row, so people died from famine. Which doesn’t mean that Mao killed them. As usual, the Mao-haters spout fake news.

    如果毛泽东能借钱从国外进口粮食,也许人民就能得救,但中国不被允许借钱:她受到了美国的制裁。对于所有这些中国人的死亡,我们可能会更多地责怪美国而不是毛泽东。

  100. @Bill

    I’ve been walking around downtown San Francisco lately, stepping over sleeping people and smelling their urine everywhere.

    Funny thing, not one was obese. Weird, huh?

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  101. @Art

    Let’s discuss your points one at a time:

    1. For the last 1,000 years the Chinese have been practicing Confusion philosophy, and have starved. That’s why there are 1.4 billion of them, presumably, still practicing Confucian philosophy, of course. Their serious starvation problems started 250 years ago–when we showed up.

    2. The West has been practicing Christian philosophy, and has thrived. Seven, is it? Seven wars the West is waging right now? While it has more homeless, hungry and imprisoned people than China?

    3. Today the Chinese have stolen what the West created, and they are doing very well. One percent, at most, of China’s IP is of doubtful provenance. The rest is indigenous or licensed. Check the TRIPS court records. Nicholas Lardy of the Peterson Institute of International Economics points out, “China’s payments of licensing fees and royalties for the use of foreign technology have soared in recent years, reaching almost $30 billion last year, nearly a four-fold increase over the last decade.” In fact, Lardy continues, “China probably ranks second globally in the magnitude of licensing fees paid for technology used within national borders.” https://piie.com/newsroom/short-videos/how-much-china-paying-foreign-technology

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Erebus
    , @FB
  102. Ivan 说:
    @FKA Max

    When the lard is laid on by the Kuwaiti government itself. When all work at home is done by maids, all office work done by foreigners, when Kuwaitis get whatever qualifications they have from degree mills if at all, when everything is geared to producing generations of lard asses, why blame American fast food?

  103. @CJ

    Belief is unnecessary in this case: just go to the source of the information and check their methodology which, if it is a reputable agency, it makes available on line.

    If you want to know more email the project director, who will always reply, and ask just how and where those figures came from and whether they are comparable, given what you’ve observed.

    Sometimes it really pays off! I tracked down the source of a much-used chart on a Chinese famine to an Irish professor who was amazed that anyone based a chart on his opinions because, he wrote, “I know nothing about China”.

    BTW, People on both coasts in the US often ask me for money to buy food. That has never happened to me in China, where I spend all my time on foot.

  104. @James Solbakken

    你真的了解中国吗?还是你有信仰?除了疯狂的宗教之外,信仰还有什么关系呢?忽略修辞。面对事实。

  105. @Anonymous

    Sure, that’s in-life social advice, and appropriate, but it has nothing to do with the individual soul in transcendent relation to the Divine. 电子邮件和短信 the nitty-gritty.

  106. @Anonymous

    Why no do a little yourself? Share what you find?

  107. @James N. Kennett

    It’s on my list of questions to ask Justin Lin Yifu. Is it an anomaly, a change of methodology? When I get an answer I’ll post it here.

  108. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    世俗的西方并不是因为基督教哲学而繁荣,而是尽管如此。

    这是荒谬的——西方科学来自基督教大学,这些大学在西方国家大量存在,具有基督教哲学。西医来自基督教医院。

    So Plato and Aristotle were Christians?

    How about the four great inventions from China, which profoundly changed the world; were their inventors Christian?

    Just in case you doubt that China’s Four Great Inventions were overwhelmingly influential, here’s a quote from one of the West’s first scientists:

    印刷、火药和指南针:这三者改变了整个世界的面貌和状态; 文学第一,战争第二,航海第三; 从那里发生了无数的变化,以至于没有哪个帝国、没有宗派、没有哪个星球在人类事务中发挥了比这些机械发现更大的力量和影响。

    - 法式培根, Novum Organum1620。

    Without the Four Great Inventions, the West would probably still be in the very Christian Dark Ages.

    • 回复: @Vidi
    , @Art
    , @FB
  109. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Godfree Roberts

    I believe one would classify your experience in San Francisco as “anecdotal evidence”.

    Here a study on the subject matter: https://www.unz.com/article/chinas-human-rights-gap/#comment-2456543

    Plus, drug addicts are usually underweight:

    Effects of Drug and Alcohol Use on Weight Change

    [更多]

    The effects of drug abuse on weight

    Recreational, illicit, and prescription medication all influence various mental processes. Certain drugs may cause temporary cognitive impairments after taking just a single dose. If this happens a person may forget to eat properly, begin to lose weight and develop dangerously low blood sugar. Individuals who begin to abuse drugs may eventually suffer from permanent impairments in brain activity as well as physical changes that lead to dramatic weight loss and poor health.
    [...]
    阿片类药物
    [...]
    Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.
    [...]
    海洛因
    [...]
    Prolonged use, and the subsequent repeated cycle of euphoria/drowsiness results in the development of irregular eating habits or forgetting to eat altogether. Long-term opiate abuse also leads to extensive organ damage and disease, which is typically associated with weight loss.

    https://drugabuse.com/guides/substance-abuse-and-weight-change/

    Drugs give one a much stronger dopamine hit than food:

    比较你从食物、性和药物中获得的多巴胺水平

    Sumber: https://www.unz.com/isteve/guardian-why-genetic-iq-differences-between-races-are-unlikely/#comment-2319710

  110. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No, China has plenty of hunger, homelessness and poverty. Your graph is absurd.

    You identify only one source, that is the one for the American struggle. It is purely self-reported and includes such obvious red flags as 5.2% of US adults in 2013 whose household income level exceeds $90,000 a year somehow still claiming that “there have been times in the past 12 months where they lacked enough money to buy food that they needed”!

    Meanwhile, only slightly less ridiculously, your data for China is presumably your own imagination.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  111. Vidi 说:
    @Vidi

    Francis Bacon wrote:

    no empire, no sect, no star seems to have exerted greater power and influence in human affairs than [printing, gunpowder, and the compass]

    (重点补充)

    I just noticed: Bacon seems to have rated China’s great inventions (printing, gunpowder, and the compass) as having more impact on the world than any sect, like Christianity.

    • 回复: @Art
  112. Art 说:
    @Anonymous

    Modern science came from Europe’s rediscovery of long suppressed Greek philosophy,

    (570)

    Oh my’ sour grapes’ – it happened in Christian schools.

    You have 10,000 reasons against it working – but it worked – didn’t it.

    It is the best — Christian Western culture!

    When we defeat the Jews, it will work again – even better then before.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope, Love, Life, Truth, & Idealism — Art

  113. @Tyrion 2

    These data are based on more than 36,000 interviews conducted as part of the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index with adults aged 18 to 50 from Jan. 1-June 27, 2013. Over this time period, 23% of all Americans aged 18 to 50 reported struggling to afford food. However, the large majority of all Americans do not report struggling to afford food.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/163544/single-parent-households-struggle-buy-food.aspx

    Fifteen percent of U.S. adults reported in the first quarter of 2016 that there have been times in the past 12 months when they did not have enough money to buy food that they or their family needed. This is the lowest percentage of Americans experiencing food hardship in any quarter since Gallup and Healthways began tracking this measure in 2008.
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/191801/percentage-struggling-afford-food-new-low.aspx

    Of the 45 high-income countries in our 2017 sample, Japan has the lowest food insecurity at 1%, while Uruguay has the highest at 28%. Only 19 countries have levels of food insecurity lower than 10%, meaning that one in 10 children in these countries lack access to safe, sufficient and nutritious foods. The United Kingdom and United States are among the high-income countries that perform the poorest, with approximately one in five children living with a food insecure adult.

    Prevalence and Correlates of Food Insecurity among Children Across the Gobi. UNICEF. https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/IWP_2017_09.pdf

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @FB
  114. @Anonymous

    我的两分钱:
    Communism actually works for community. But in type of community where everybody knows everybody.
    So I would estimate the community of about 2 hundred people max.
    Communism cannot work for larger community, where people do not know each other.
    So communism certainly cannot work for states.

    PS. Trotsky was the leader of internationalists (mostly Jews) Stalin was nationalist so Stalin won because of his ties to military. He did not wont to kill Trotsky because he had respect for Trotsky’ s
    contribution to the revolution.
    Trotsky’s death had nothing to do with ideology. Trotsky did not have money, or he did not want to pay his Mexican housekeeper. So the Mexican in his fury after the argument took an axe and split Trotsky’s head.

  115. Art 说:
    @Vidi

    Just in case you doubt that China’s Four Great Inventions were overwhelmingly influential, here’s a quote from one of the West’s first scientists:

    维迪

    Those things died in China — while Christianity put them to productive work.

    It is amazing how many people hate Christianity these days. Hmm. Must be weak minds that blow with the wind.

    They have bought into the Jews hate for Jesus. How sad for everyone.

    True the bathwater is dirty — but the Christian baby has grown to be productive. Billions of people around the globe want what Christianity produced.

    These poor fools cannot see and assess the whole picture. They diminish themselves.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    • 回复: @Vidi
  116. Art 说:
    @Vidi

    I just noticed: Bacon seems to have rated China’s great inventions (printing, gunpowder, and the compass) as having more impact on the world than any sect, like Christianity.

    维迪

    Roger Bacon — 1219/20 – c. 1292 — the West was just getting started.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Vidi
  117. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I assume you know that your reply is entirely irrelevant to my post? It answers absolutely none of it.

    Furthermore, your insertion of the example of Japan is interestingly paralleled by their non conviction rate upon a criminal going to trial – almost certainly determined by the same face-saving cultural factors.

    Having said, Japan has got an awful lot right.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  118. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    These things died in China — while Christianity put them to productive work.

    The Four Great Inventions did not die in China. They were probably the major reason China has been more prosperous than the West for most of the last 1000 years. The West overtook China in recent centuries perhaps because of two accidents of geography: the Atlantic ocean is only half the size of the Pacific, and on top of this the trade winds favor the Atlantic sailing ships.

    It is amazing how many people hate Christianity these days.

    No hate from me. But an adverse reaction to people who obnoxiously dump on the achievements of non-Christians.

  119. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    I just noticed: Bacon seems to have rated China’s great inventions (printing, gunpowder, and the compass) as having more impact on the world than any sect, like Christianity.

    Roger Bacon — 1219/20 – c. 1292 — the West was just getting started.

    That is why I was referring to the great Renaissance scholar 弗朗西斯 Bacon (1561 – 1626). He lived the huge changes caused by China’s four great inventions. He knew their worth — and judged them of more impact than any sect (like Christianity).

    • 回复: @Art
  120. Bill P 说:
    @D

    Bullshit. Most long term expats prefer life in China and probably prefer China to the USA. That’s why they’re long term.

    I’ve known quite a few. I couldn’t stomach the place nearly as well as they could. I couldn’t defend it like they do. Chinese should cultivate them, because they are way more Sinophilic than your average American ever could be.

    然而中国人却把他们视为失败者,对我来说,是的,也许他们就是这样,因为尽管他们热爱中国,但他们仍然被贬低并忍受它。

    And another thing… Why is it so much easier for them to get laid in China despite them being such “losers?” What does that say about China? Nothing good, I know that.

    It’s not entirely true anyway. Beautiful Chinese women are hard to get in China, and ordinary white girls are not so hard in the US or Europe.

    The thing is that a lot of these expat “losers” prefer the Chinese aesthetic. Although I differ from them in this regard, I can understand it. There’s something beguiling and sublime about the Chinese ideal. Sometimes when I’m alone I like to listen to Chinese traditional music and have a few drinks. It’s a nice feeling, and it makes the world a better place.

    But at the same time if my homeland were in danger of being Sinicized I’d be horrified and I’d fight it. Your loser expats, on the other hand, would not. They already live it and that’s what they prefer. And still you demean them and call them losers. This just gives me all the more reason to resist Sinicization. I’m not going to let my kids be subjugated by people who look down on and hate them.

    • 回复: @D
    , @D
  121. @Tyrion 2

    Yes, Japan’s conviction rate is determined by cultural factors, but they have nothing to do with saving face. Both systems begin with crime prevention at home, early indoctrination into the culture of respect ‘for I have yet to see a man who is respectful of his older brother, father and uncles who causes rouble’ as Confucius observed.

    The entire community is involved in preventing people from slipping into crime and relatives, workmates and classmates will address miscreants early and often.

    But if he persists, and actually chooses crime, then the community (including his family) will turn him over to the police and testify against him. He’s an outcast.

    Very few people make it to that level of depravity and the police only intervene when everything else has failed.

    At that point, the culturally smart thing to do is make a full confession and throw yourself on the mercy of the court.

    Nor is this a cold-hearted abandonment of criminals. Both systems work hard to reform them while they’re in prison, which is why China has the lowest recidivism rate on earth.

    P.S., My anecdote about hunger and homelessness in SF was designed to jolt people into reality: nobody has seen a beggar in a Chinese city since 2016 and that’s what the stats say, too. Everyone who’s been there has encountered dozens of beggars in SF, LA and NYC, and that’s what the stats say, too.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  122. @Godfree Roberts

    “如果你想质疑我写的东西,那就质疑吧。如果你想提供证据来反驳我所写的内容,那就提供吧。”

    是的,当然,无神论。即使你是有血有肉的人,你也不是。你是某种红色该死的中国巨魔机器人,被编程为喷出愚蠢的废话和愚蠢的@$$-Klown bull-$hit。

    你受到蔑视,不值得认真对待。这不是人身攻击,而是道德观察。

    不过,不错的尝试,傻瓜,再次旋转。

    • 回复: @anonymous
  123. anonymous[179]• 免责声明 说:
    @James Solbakken

    He’s not. Like Petras, he’s just an old-line communist, who now supports the last and arguably only successful communist country in the world.

    对有思想的人要有一定的尊重。

  124. @Godfree Roberts

    Yes, which is indicative of your bioleninist ignorance.

    Chinese, being Northeast Asians, have a genetically higher IQ than Americans. Actual Americans are white (~5 IQ points below Northeast Asians), and of course of school age children nearly half of those resident in America are not white and are much duller (admittedly some are themselves Northeast Asians and high caste Indians, but they’re outnumbered by dull blacks and various hispanics).

    Thus the superior educational achievement of Chinese versus Americans is not noteworthy in any way whatsoever.

    It would in fact be shocking if this was not the case.

    That you thought this was in any way noteworthy is a damning indictment of you and betrays stunning ignorance for a dissident, let alone one published on the Unz Review where such facts are readily available.

  125. @Godfree Roberts

    Do you really think there is hunger in America? Have you walked around the country? Seen any suspiciously skinny people, anywhere?

    Good point on homelessness of course. I suggest sending homeless people to prison.

    Ending poverty is undesirable for reasons you can no doubt surmise.

  126. jim jones 说:

    China has never had a Democratic Government or any citizen rights. People live at the mercy of the ruling bureaucrats:

    https://reason.com/blog/2018/08/07/china-government-ai-weiwei-studio-demoli

    • 回复: @denk
    , @Godfree Roberts
  127. RedRobbo 说:

    这是纯粹的新话。
    中国是一个残暴的国家资本主义专政国家。资本主义的标志,例如阶级社会、商品生产、利润动机、对雇佣劳动的剥削、市场等,与世界各地一样存在。最近一篇题为“始终保持专业”的文章提供了进一步的证据。在中国蓬勃发展的管家学校里,只有最好的才能做到”(《时代》杂志,1 年 2017 月 1,590,000 日)。在这里我们了解到,中国 50,000 名百万富翁中的一些人希望过上莱利市中心修道院风格的生活! “学生们支付 7,500 元人民币(15 美元)参加为期六周的课程,内容包括食物展示、如何正确熨烫衬衫以及始终保持平静的礼仪......学生们学习如何选择优质葡萄酒和优质中国白酒、教授太极拳、表演茶道以及在高尔夫球场上当球童。对于许多人来说,这是另一个世界。的确。 '……每天工作 15 小时,无休止的钻探。如何清洁厕所、熨烫桌布、使用卷尺和塑料块使桌子摆放完美对齐。这是一种烧伤、水泡和无限量咖啡的疗法。” Ju/'hoansi 人每周只工作 XNUMX 个小时。

  128. Art 说:
    @Vidi

    Francis Bacon (1561 – 1626) He lived the huge changes caused by China’s four great inventions. He knew their worth — and judged them of more impact than any sect (like Christianity).

    维迪

    Isaac Newton (1642–1726/1727) — poor Francis, he died just before the greatest, most productive science to ever occur.

    Newton was a Christian – he went to Christian schools – his nation was Christian. Unlike China, his nation and culture valued discovery. What happened to China and what happened to the Christian West in the next 500 years?

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Vidi
  129. Art 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    (China) Their serious starvation problems started 250 years ago–when we showed up.

    Hmm’ – does that suggest a weak culture with weak individuals and incompetent leaders? (The Japanese coped.)

    Seven wars the West is waging right now? While it has more homeless, hungry and imprisoned people than China?

    First I agree — then I have a one-word answer – JEWS!

    One percent, at most, of China’s IP is of doubtful provenance.

    Sorry – but ALL of China’s IP is stolen – digital IP was created in the West. Every computer in China is a Western derivative.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Vidi
  130. @RedRobbo

    Ju/'hoansi 人每周只工作 15 个小时。

    Yes, the !Kung people work very little. They’re all gone, too.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2014/12/22/371672272/the-khoisan-once-were-kings-of-the-planet-what-happened

    科伊桑人如何维持他们今天的生活方式?

    答案是他们不这样做。 我们正在看到他们的文化和狩猎采集生活方式的终结,这种生活方式正在被畜牧和农业所取代。

    事实上,人类的每一次进步实际上都增加了劳动时间,但有一个例外:最大工作时间出现在工业时代早期。我们的工作量比维多利亚时代的人少。但我们的工作时间仍然比中世纪的农民还要多,因为我们失去了自主权。

  131. denk 说:
    @jim jones

    的pussies stand up to the CCP

    真正的男人 stand up to the MIC.

    HHHHHHH

    http://sainthoward.blogspot.com/2014/12/putting-saints-in-jail.html

    • 回复: @denk
  132. denk 说:
    @Art

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    事实上,
    On the corpse of plundered countries.

    大叔骗局 is entirely secular,
    it’ll bomb its own mother if there’s money to be made.
    Never mind fellow xtians.

    http://emperors-clothes.com/churchpics/list.htm

    • 回复: @Art
  133. @Art

    Hmm’ – does that suggest a weak culture with weak individuals and incompetent leaders? (The Japanese coped.)

    The Japanese were not a conquered people of the Manchus at the time and far, far less aggression was directed at it compared to the Chinese.

    • 回复: @Art
  134. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    Isaac Newton (1642–1726/1727) — poor Francis, he died just before the greatest, most productive science to ever occur.

    Newton was a Christian – he went to Christian schools – his nation was Christian. Unlike China, his nation and culture valued discovery.

    Newton himself said that he “stood on the shoulders of giants” — who were mostly non-Christian (the old Greeks, the Arabs, and the Chinese).

    What happened to China and what happened to the Christian West in the next 500 years?

    I don’t know. It has only been 300 years since Newton. Only in the last 200 years have Westerners advanced past China, when the Middle Kingdom was in one of its periodic downturns. China now is back, is contributing heavily to science, and is nowhere near a Christian culture.

    By the way, what is your opinion of Francis Bacon’s statement, that the Chinese inventions had greater impact on the world than any sect (like Christianity)?

    • 回复: @Art
  135. Art 说:
    @denk

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    事实上,
    On the corpse of plundered countries.

    Uncle scam is entirely secular,
    it’ll bomb its own mother if there’s money to be made.
    Never mind fellow xtians.

    Indeed – the current US deep state government has nothing to do with Christianity.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @denk
  136. Art 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Hmm’ – does that suggest a weak culture with weak individuals and incompetent leaders? (The Japanese coped.)

    The Japanese were not a conquered people of the Manchus at the time and far, far less aggression was directed at it compared to the Chinese.

    Hmm — do those points sound like excuses that hide unpleasant thoughts?

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  137. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    One percent, at most, of China’s IP is of doubtful provenance.

    Sorry – but ALL of China’s IP is stolen –

    所有类型 of China’s IP is stolen? That is a very serious allegation. Prove it.

    Of course, you could be one of those people who use their private definitions of common words. What is your definition of “IP”?

    digital IP was created in the West.

    That’s another argument. And digital IP is nowhere near all IP — not by commonly understood definitions of Intellectual Property.

    Every computer in China is a Western derivative.

    Are you butt-hurt by the fact that a non-Christian country is now leading in the highest of the high technologies?

    • 回复: @Art
  138. @Art

    Just truth. A Japan that faced anything like the colonial force or the amount of aggression would have done much, much worse.

    I don’t really have anything against Christianity myself.

    • 回复: @Art
  139. Art 说:
    @Vidi

    By the way, what is your opinion of Francis Bacon’s statement, that the Chinese inventions had greater impact on the world than any sect (like Christianity)?

    维迪

    Clearly Francis Bacon was proven wrong.

    The invention of electricity was a thousand times more important then anything the Chinese did.

    The invention of Western medicine was another thousand times more important.

    Even if these inventors were atheists – their knowledge lived and thrived in the Christian culture.

    思考和平-艺术

    p.s. Why do you hate your heritage – what is wrong with you – are you just being fashionable?

    • 回复: @Vidi
  140. Art 说:
    @Vidi

    All of China’s IP is stolen? That is a very serious allegation. Prove it.

    维迪

    Traditionally the Chinese culture does not recognize IP (intellectual property).

    By our Western standards they are thieves. End of story.

    As to Chinese inventions — good for them.

    As to America falling behind in the last 60 years – we will defeat the oligarch Jews that are responsible for our dark situation.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @Vidi
  141. Art 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Just truth. A Japan that faced anything like the colonial force or the amount of aggression would have done much, much worse.

    丹尼尔·基耶(Daniel Chieh)

    OK – I give.

    思考和平-艺术

  142. Vidi 说:

    The invention of electricity was a thousand times more important then anything the Chinese did.

    Not according to Time-Life Magazine, which in 1997 named the printing press as the most important invention of the last millenium.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100310192514/http://www.mainz.de/gutenberg/g2000.htm

    (The article is in German; I’m going by an automatic translation.)

    Of course, they credited Johannes Gutenberg as the inventor; they didn’t know, or with typical Western doublethink “forgot”, that China printed books some hundreds of years before the birth of Gutenberg

    A poll on the A & E Network also ranked Gutenberg as the most important person of the millenium:

    http://www.wmich.edu/mus-gened/mus170/biography100

    Michael Faraday, who made crucial discoveries in electricity and magnetism, was only 61st.

    The printing press is but one of China’s four great inventions. All of them came long before any Christian preachers were inflicted on the Chinese.

    Clearly Francis Bacon was proven wrong.

    Clearly Bacon, one of the first scientists ever, was more right than you are.

    • 同意: Vidi
    • 回复: @Vidi
  143. Vidi 说:
    @Art

    All of China’s IP is stolen? That is a very serious allegation. Prove it.

    Traditionally the Chinese culture does not recognize IP (intellectual property).

    By our Western standards they are thieves. End of story.

    正如我所怀疑的,

    Of course, you could be one of those people who use their private definitions of common words.

    Yes, you redefined “thieves”. By your definition, a Chinese corporation is a thief in spite of having paid for any IP it uses.

    China pays a 很多 for IP. According to one of Godfree’s postings, «Nicholas Lardy of the Peterson Institute of International Economics points out, “China’s payments of licensing fees and royalties for the use of foreign technology have soared in recent years, reaching almost $30 billion last year”».

    According to you, China still stole the IP in spite of having paid $30 billion for it.

    If stealthily misdefining a word is your idea of proper Christian conduct, I want none of it.

  144. Vidi 说:
    @Vidi

    Heh, just trying out the newly-working Agree/Disagree button. I may as well agree with myself.

  145. Bucky 说:
    @Art

    If the Jews had been in China, China would have conquered the Americas and China would rule the world.

    All of the sins that you heap onto Jews were also actions which enabled European dominance. Without money-lending, Europeans are stuck with Catholicism in feudal conditions. They would basically be Tibetans.

  146. denk 说:
    @denk

    Just in case…..

    Ai Weiwei is a patsy.

    Jim Jones is the pussy …
    always so bold to stand up to CCP,
    [no consequence] 😉

    留给 真正的男子汉 to stand up to the MIC.

    h

  147. denk 说:
    @Art

    西方 一直 practicing Christian philosophy, and has thrived.

    Indeed – the 当前 US deep state government has nothing to do with Christianity.

    h

    • 回复: @Art
  148. denk 说:
    @James Solbakken

    毛泽东亲自送人立即升天的人数比历史上任何人都多。

    说谎者

    我认为我们被恶搞了.
    [原文 ]
    没有人认为中国除了一个悲惨的极权主义粪坑之外还有别的什么,直到中共被推翻,所有领导人都被送入他们所属的地狱。

    你刚刚逃离了庇护所?

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
  149. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    … nobody has seen a beggar in a Chinese city since 2016 and that’s what the stats say, too.

    Well, my experience of big Chinese cities says there’s still a few, though much (as in an order of magnitude) less than previously. Not that I was paying attention at the time, but your citing of 2016 coincides with experience… they disappeared a couple of years ago.

    My thinking was that China’s hyper-adoption of cashless payment systems meant a sudden dearth of cash on the street. In any case, the common wisdom was that most beggary was a business enterprise. There was no shortage of work available.

    Or did some governmental move in 2016 put them out of business?

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Tyrion 2
  150. @jim jones

    China is a thriving democracy that applies popular voting to policies, not personalities. Read Selling Democracy to China, and weep: https://www.unz.com/article/selling-democracy-to-china/.

    And, as you saw when you read my article, China’s people enjoy much better human rights than we do.

  151. @RedRobbo

    为什么不用证据来支持你的指控呢?

    否则,你可能会被误认为是种族主义者,或者帝国主义者,甚至是种族主义的帝国主义者。

    95% of Chinese trust their government and the stats support them: it delivers what it promises, doesn’t lie to them and protects their human rights better than ours.

    • 回复: @RedRobbo
  152. @Erebus

    Yes, beggary seemed to thrive and was quite lucrative in some locations. It’s a form of enterprise, I guess!.

    I suspect that the government did what it always does in such circumstances: put out a call for Trial Spots, asking townships to try whatever they wished and offering financial and statistical support.

    That’s the signal for hundreds of ambitious young local government Social Services managers to race and find creative, win-win (preferably net profitable) solutions. The prize is promotion to the Provincial level.

    Xi, incidentally, won three such promotions during his climb and drew at least two national headlines. He was a very, very good manager, partly because his father had schooled him on listening to ordinary people.

  153. D 说:
    @Bill P

    如果你认为外国人热爱中国,那你就错了。 如果说他们对中国生活有什么喜欢的话,那就是他们从那些认为白人就意味着更好的白痴当地人那里得到的摇滚明星名人待遇。

    是的,大多数长期移居国外的人确实是国内的失败者。 他们并没有真正具备适销对路的技能,所以他们去了中国(或亚洲其他一些国家),基本上靠白人谋生。 按理说,他们应该只不过是洗碗机或水果采摘工,就像美国的非技术移民一样,但由于他们是白人,所以他们可以做一些相当受人尊敬的事情,比如教英语。 尽管如此,这些LBH在亚洲的声誉已经变得如此糟糕,以至于“英语老师”现在在亚洲已经成为一个贬义的标签。 如今,在亚洲,没有一个有自尊心的外籍人士愿意被称为英语老师。

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  154. D 说:
    @Bill P

    而这个“抵制汉化”生意又是怎么回事呢? 我不知道美国正面临成为中华民族的危险。 但如果你认为被一个看不起你、恨你的人征服是件坏事,也许你对非白人生活在白人统治的世界里有一些了解。

    • 回复: @Bill P
  155. Jaylon 说:
    @Vidi

    要么他没有读过,要么他抵制事实。显然,这里有很多抵制事实的评论者,包括那些喜欢编造自己的事实的人,比如“我在中国生活了十年……”之类的人。

  156. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    One percent, at most, of China’s IP is of doubtful provenance. The rest is indigenous or licensed.

    我对此表示怀疑。
    One wonders how much of this is effectively profit repatriation by large foreign m such as Siemens, Mercedes, Toyota, Samsung etc being disguised as technology and brand licencing payments for tax reasons. IOWs, the inverse of what the PIIE article is saying about Ireland and Netherlands.

    I’d venture that the vast bulk of that $30B is just for the big boys. Experience says they have zero respect for each others’ IP, and even less for foreigners’. 30 minutes on TaoBao or in LuoHu market at the Hong Kong border will tell you that copying is endemic amongst China’s numberless small manufacturers.

    This is particularly true in Industrial Design and Design Engineering, where the Chinese are sorely weak for a variety of cultural reasons.

    Having said that, it’s important to note that patents are valid only in the countries that they’re registered in, and have a legal impact on Chinese (or any) copies only in the event that a violating product is exported to a country where the patent has been registered. That is, it’s theft in the legal sense only in those countries where the patent is registered (or is effectively recognized as such) by treaty. Everywhere else, the innovation is fair game.

    Interestingly, during the cold war the USSR registered quite a few American patents, particularly in the military field precisely to prevent the Americans from stealing/copying the innovation for themselves through espionage or defections. Perhaps even more interestingly, in the main their patents were respected.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  157. @James N. Kennett

    I asked a retired Chinese banker who’s interested in poverty reduction, since he originally came from a poor village. He says the chart probably represents a combination of changed methodologies, catchup after years of neglect, rural food subsidies and urbanization.

    He explained that the rather stubborn residue, after 2009, is made up of Category Three poor people –capable of work but external conditions or resources like jobs are poor and for whom relocation or employment skills training may be effective–and Category Four, people who are permanently incapacitated like the severely disabled who should be supported by the social protection system.

    Right now, everyone in those categories has been identified and helped by an official (whose personal cel number they have) responsible for getting them across the line by 2021.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  158. @Erebus

    Mebbe, but the WTO TRIPS certainly shows entire amount as IP licensing and that fits. Contrary to popular opinion, China has always paid through the nose. $11.4 billion for HSR alone. Billions to Russia every year, ARM licenses and the like, aerospace…

    They even have an annual equity conference with the Russians, whose defense firms don’t get all of the Chinese money because the government takes some and who feel cheated and unloved.

    After the last such such conference I heard about, in 2011, China wrote a check for $4.1 billion, which must have soothed some hurt feelings.

  159. Erebus 说:

    Mebbe, but the WTO TRIPS certainly shows entire amount as IP licensing and that fits.

    Fits what?

    Billions to Russia every year, ARM licenses and the like, aerospace…

    That the Russians are in a position to force payment should surprise no-one. They’d be defenceless without Russia, so they’re in a seller’s market.

    … China has always paid through the nose.

    Now you’re being disingenuous. They pay for a fraction of what they use, and they pay a fraction of market value when they actually buy/license IP (as opposed to profit repat).

    I’ve been in negotiations, and anecdotally know of more, where the IP owner was basically told: “License us the technology for $X, or lose it and/or the right to do business in the Chinese market.” Some, like Siemens chose to lose it, and walked away from China’s Hi-Speed Rail network. Most others agree, figuring that something is better than nothing. That’s been the reality up to recently, but I agree that it is changing with Xi’s MIC2025 plan. The Chinese PTB realize it has to, or they’ll have to change the program to MIC2125.

  160. Art 说:
    @denk

    西方一直践行基督教哲学,并且蓬勃发展。

    Indeed – the current US deep state government has nothing to do with Christianity.

    h

    Of course, the simple, correct, and honest answer is that the current US Deep State is controlled and run for the benefit of Jews – NOT Christians.

    Just look at Trump and C0ngress! Israel has 1000% support from them all (AIPAC coercion).

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    p.s. Cultures and governments are not the same thing. Cultures transcend governments.

    • 回复: @denk
  161. Anonymous [AKA "Bill Chicory"] 说:

    China has made some amazing technological advances and increased their wealth a hundredfold in the past 40 years but at the expense of enormous environmental and social damage. If you told the Chinese that they all could move to the west tomorrow, I’m sure more than 50 percent would. What good is having gleaming cities and driving around in fancy cars when you have farmland that’s contaminated with lead and cadmium and lakes and rivers that are devoid of fish. The system is so corrupt that people can’t even trust if the food they buy in the supermarket isn’t poisoned with chemicals or fakes passed off as real. The corruption extends to the lack of protection for intellectual property. A society that can’t guarantee patent protection to innovators and inventors is holding itself back as these people will avoid your country altogether. Japan got rich by being honest and respecting patent and intellectual rights.

  162. DB Cooper 说:
    @Anonymous

    There was a spate of food and medicine scandals in Japan in the 1960s until the government cleaned up the act. And recent years there is also spate of industrial scandals in Japan involving falsifying data in the steel industries, using subpar chemicals in airbags and also cook the books in some electronic giants that I don’t remember.

  163. Bill P 说:
    @D

    Obviously it’s easy for the nonwhites, because they clearly like moving to white countries, neighborhoods, school districts, etc.

    I don’t see much evidence of the reverse happening except in tiny numbers (there are more Chinese in my hometown of Seattle than there are white Americans in all of China). And despite the tiny numbers of whites in China, a very vocal contingent of Chinese still throws fits about it.

    So no, I don’t think I learned what it’s like to be a nonwhite in white society during my stay in China, because it’s obviously far more comfortable than being white over there. This is why I’m certain that most long-term expats must really like and appreciate China. You’d have to to put up with it for that long, or else you’d have to be getting paid a whole lot of money for living there.

    至于汉化问题,我现在住在BC省温哥华附近,肯定已经汉化了。 加利福尼亚州的部分地区也是如此。 对于大多数盎格鲁人来说,当他们发现自己的孩子因房价过高而被赶出城市并被赶出他们建立的大学时,这并不是一个受欢迎的事态发展。

    • 同意: Tyrion 2
  164. anonymous[207]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    IP isn’t much of a thing in Japan either, thus the entire fracas with Harmony Gold. The entire “ideas are licensed” is really an anglo-saxon thing. Even in Eastern Europe, getting that worked up about who has the “original idea” is seen as a kind of autism.

  165. Vidi 说:
    @Erebus

    … China has always paid through the nose.

    Now you’re being disingenuous. They pay for a fraction of what they use, and they pay a fraction of market value when they actually buy/license IP (as opposed to profit repat).

    No, you are being disigenuous, Erebus. Why should China pay for every U.S. patent it uses when the U.S. literally tries to patent everything, right down to the peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

    (Yes, U.S. patent 6004596 was awarded to Smuckers for the crustless PB&J, which shows how corrupt the U.S. patent office really is. I don’t think this joke of a patent has been overturned even now.)

    Then there’s the famous litigation between Apple and Samsung, where Apple actually won a $1 billion judgement, partially for phones with rounded corners. This was absolutely ridiculous, so Samsung of course appealed the ruling. I think the latest judgement still demands $500 million from the South Korean company. Yes, rounding the corners of your phone is considered such a brilliant innovation in the U.S. that it’s worth half a billion dollars.

    With such an insane IP policy in the US, why should China care? (When it isn’t dying of laughter.)

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
    • 回复: @Erebus
  166. FB 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Mr. Roberts… that comment by ‘Fart’ …is lifted directly from Mein Kampf…

    ‘…Everything we admire on this earth today-science and art, technology and inventions-is only the creative product of a few peoples and originally perhaps of one race. On them depends the existence of this whole culture. If they perish, the beauty of this earth will sink into the grave with them…’

    ‘…If beginning today all further Aryan influence on Japan should stop, assuming that Europe and America should perish, Japan’s present rise in science and technology might continue for a short time; but even in a few years the well would dry up, the Japanese special character would gain, but the present culture would freeze and sink back into the slumber from which it was awakened seven decades ago by the wave of Aryan culture…’

    Just so you know where the tree monkey ‘Fart’ is coming from…

  167. FB 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Mr. Roberts…just so you know ‘Tyrion 2’ is a high school punk living with his parents in the UK…who I feel very sorry for…[the parents, not the punk]

    I know this from reading his blog, which he no longer links to…and in which he describes a free trip he had to Israel for high-schoolers…and then proceeds to bad-mouth a Holocaust survivor who led a lecture at Yad Vashem…mocking this woman for relating her positive experiences with communism…

  168. @Erebus

    There’s no mystery to this. The records are readily available online.

    For context, 96% of the respondents to the 2018 AmCham China survey responded that China’s IPR enforcement has improved in recent years.https://www.amchamchina.org/policy-advocacy/business-climate-survey/

    Nicholas Lardy of the Peterson Institute of International Economics points out, “China’s payments of licensing fees and royalties for the use of foreign technology have soared in recent years, reaching almost $30 billion last year, nearly a four-fold increase over the last decade.” In fact, Lardy continues, “China probably ranks second globally in the magnitude of licensing fees paid for technology used within national borders.” https://piie.com/newsroom/short-videos/how-much-china-paying-foreign-technology

    No one puts a gun to Boeing’s head when it decides to accept a technology transfer arrangement from China. It makes the deal because it expects to make a profit even with the required technology transfer.

    To take an analogous situation: the Supreme Court recently ruled that employers can require workers to accept arbitration–give up their right to sue–as a precondition of employment. The court said that workers freely choose an employment package and if they don’t want to sign away their right to sue, they can work for a different company. So here we have the US government saying that Boeing and other multinationals need protection from big bad China, because otherwise they will sign contracts that are bad for them, but an individual worker, taking a job from one of these companies, doesn’t need protection.

    The class issues are more extreme with patents and copyrights. These government-granted monopolies are forms of protectionism: ‘protectionism,’ as in ‘the opposite of free trade’. Unlike tariffs or quotas, these monopolies don’t raise the price of items by just 10 percent or 25 percent; they raise the price of protected items by several thousand or even tens of thousands of percent. Drugs would be dirt cheap without these protections and software would be free.

    China is a minor infringer of IP compared, say, to South Korea. Bill Gertz’s book, “Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security tells how the Administration transferred cutting edge nuclear, military and other technology from classified status to Commerce and then openly sold the technology to China. GE transferred its aerospace and its imaging IP to China in exchange for market access, and GE is just the tip of the iceberg. All were short-term decisions now coming back to haunt us.

    To check the record, start at the US premier venue for IP cases, the Federal Court’s Northern District of California, where most complainants will file suits against Chinese entities. A database of Intellectual Property Cases can be found here: dockets.justia.com/browse/circuit-9/state-california/court-candce/noscat-10.

    For the WTO’s international forum for Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, TRIPS, start here: http://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/27-trips_04d_e.htm

    For Chinese IP court filings and decisions is here: chinaipr.com/category/beijing-ip-court/.

    • 回复: @Vidi
  169. FB 说:
    @Vidi

    Add to that also the Chinese invention of the stirrup…which, while seemingly modest, turned out to be a transformational technology…making the mounted warrior supreme, especially the heavy cavalry…

    ‘…Some scholars credit the birth of feudalism and its subsequent spread into Northern Italy, Spain, Germany and into the Slavic territories to this use of the stirrup. It is argued that the rising feudal class structure of the European Middle Ages derived ultimately from the use of stirrups:

    “Few inventions have been so simple as the stirrup, but few have had so catalytic an influence on history. The requirements of the new mode of warfare which it made possible found expression in a new form of western European society dominated by an aristocracy of warriors endowed with land so that they might fight in a new and highly specialized way.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stirrup_Controversy#White’s_hypothesis

    • 回复: @Vidi
  170. denk 说:
    @Art

    Even with my atrocious grammar, I do remember my teacher telling us
    has been’ means from some time past up to the current.

    So you’r changing your tune now , that fukus had been practicing xtian philosophy until the current 政权 ?

    Either way its B.S.

    从第一天开始,
    fukus has been invoking xtian mantra to rape and plunder the world and thrived on the corpse of destroy countries
    [固定]

    China has been practicing Confucian philosophy and starved

    different philosophy,
    Some would gloat on their ill gotten fortune.
    The Chinese would rather starve momentarily than plunder.

    • 回复: @Art
  171. denk 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    You think a Jew saying that the West is overly self-critical equals “hypocritical self-praise”?

    怎么样 bald faced liar ?

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  172. Vidi 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    chinaipr.com/category/beijing-ip-court/

    Agree, and thanks for the link.

    I hope China doesn’t fall into the trap of acknowledging all U.S. patents (including the one for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches). There are firms called “patent trolls” whose only business is to accumulate a large portfolio of trivial patents and sue other organizations for violating them; the trolls are seriously impeding innovation in the US. I hope China learns from this.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  173. Vidi 说:
    @FB

    Add to [the four great inventions] also the Chinese invention of the stirrup…which, while seemingly modest, turned out to be a transformational technology…making the mounted warrior supreme, especially the heavy cavalry…

    Also the crossbow (roughly 500 BC), if we’re talking military technology, though that may not have been as influential as the stirrup.

  174. @Vidi

    They’re acutely aware of that problem and are far less protective of IP rights than the US–but not to the point of discouraging the creation of IP, as we see from patent filings.

  175. RedRobbo 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    她还有一些进一步的证据:

    毛泽东在《湖南农民运动考察报告》(1927)中承认,即将到来的革命不会是社会主义的:“推翻这些封建势力才是革命的真正目标”。

    据报道,他在 1945 年对一位美国外交官说:“中国需要建立轻工业来供应自己的市场并提高自己人民的生活水平。”最终她可以将这些货物供应给远东其他国家。为了支付对外贸易和投资的费用,她有原材料和农产品。美国不仅是最适合协助中国经济发展的国家,也是唯一完全有能力参与的国家。 '

    1949年,毛泽东谨慎地指出,新社会不会是社会主义社会。他的就职演说中说:
    中国要反抗帝国主义的压迫,把落后的经济提高到更高的水平,就必须充分利用城乡资本主义一切对国计民生有益而不有害的因素。 。 。我们目前的政策是规范资本主义,而不是摧毁它。

    撒切尔夫人:“世界上只有一种经济体系,那就是资本主义。 区别在于资本是掌握在国家手中,还是大部分掌握在不受国家控制的人手中”(下议院演讲,24 年 1976 月 XNUMX 日)。

    约书亚·库兰茨克 (Joshua Kurlantzick) 提供了现代评估:“国家资本主义最严重的威胁是,中国和俄罗斯这两个国家资本主义专制大国将利用其国有企业作为与其他国家发生冲突的武器,作为控制某些类型国家的工具。”自然资源,作为从其他国家获取和窃取敏感技术的工具,或作为破坏国有公司投资国家环境和劳工规范的工具”(《国家资本主义:国家主义的回归如何改变世界》,英国牛津大学出版社,2016 月) XNUMX)

    评论:中国工人罢工工厂失控:
    http://bit.ly/2LypjZY

    国家资本主义的中国有超过 100 名亿万富翁,他们的财富加起来相当于爱尔兰 GDP 的两倍,根据北京大学 2016 年的一份报告,中国的收入差距越来越大,最富有的 1% 的人拥有该国三分之一的财富,而最底层的 25% 的人拥有只占总人口的百分之一。

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  176. Mao was repeating Marx’s formula (though he tried to beat it with the Great Leap) that requires a nation to go through developmental stages, of which capitalism is a part. He wrote to every US President from Roosevelt on, asking them to export capitalism to China. None replied.

    Joshua Kurlantzick’s concern–that China and Russia will use their state companies as weapons or vehicles and tools for undermining environmental and labor norms in countries where their state companies invest–is just plain silly. First, capitalist countries have used their corporations as weapons or vehicles and tools since the private corporation was chartered (chartered by the State, which can revoke the charter at will). And private corporations have used their States as weapons, vehicles and tools for just as long. The East India Company springs to mind. All states are to some degree fascist, otherwise they would fall apart. All states have oligarchies for the same reason.

    China’s oligarchy admits its existence and takes responsibility for its policies, that’s why 90% of Chinese trust it. America’s oligarchy won’t admit its existence and won’t take responsibility for its policies, that’s why 9% of Americans trust it.

    Proof, meet pudding.

  177. @RedRobbo

    The ‘Peking University report was superseded by Facundo Alvaredo, Lucas Chancel, Thomas Piketty. Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman in their paper, GLOBAL INEQUALITY DYNAMICS, http://www.nber.org/papers/w23119. Here’s the skinny:

    过去四十年,全国的份额 中国底层工人的收入从百分之二十七下降到百分之十五,而美国人的收入从百分之二十下降到百分之十二。

    在最顶端, 中国的1%占据了国民收入的13%,而美国则占据了20%.

    我发现媒体的反应很有趣:《财富》杂志报道称,美国的收入不平等程度位居世界第四,但没有提供解决方案。 《人民日报》写道:“在美国等发达国家,基尼系数有时达到0.4,通过逐步增加对富人的税收和改善穷人的福利制度,缩小了收入差距。中国应该学习美国的经验”。

    They’ve learned so well that, by June 1, 2021, 每周 中国人——藏族、维吾尔族或其他民族——将有一个家、一份工作、充足的食物、教育、安全的街道、健康和老年护理。 

    到那一天,美国的穷人、饥饿者和被监禁的人将比中国还要多。

    马克思有通灵能力吗?

    • 回复: @RedRobbo
  178. Erebus 说:
    @Vidi

    No, you are being disigenuous, Erebus. Why should China pay for every U.S. patent it uses when the U.S. literally tries to patent everything, right down to the peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

    Huh? Read my post at #160. That is emphatically 不能 what we’re talking about here. Read my post again, and perhaps you (and Godfree) will eventually understand the point of it.

    I agree that the USPTO has clearly abandoned the principle that real innovation, what used to be called “the teaching”, must underlie the granting of a patent, and now issues patents on whatever notion hasn’t been patented before, letting the courts sort out the prior art and innovation issues afterwards.
    The US has “weaponized” IP, and following the principle that “Quantity has a quality of its own”, now grants patents willy-nilly. China, apparently deciding to fight fire with fire, grants patents at almost the same pace, and of the same quality as the US.

    In sum, your statement:

    With such an insane IP policy in the US, why should China care? (When it isn’t dying of laughter.)

    … misses the point. That China has no legal obligation to uphold US, or any, patents that haven’t been granted in China is a given, and holds for all countries.

    The world’s complaints about China’s IP practices can be summed as follows:
    A) China’s requirement that foreign companies wishing to set up shop in China must sell/license their IP into the Chinese joint venture at a discount to market value despite risk of being propagated to 3rd parties.

    B) China is not doing enough to curb its vast army of small & medium shops that flood China and RoW with counterfeit products. Fake Rolexes, RayBans and Guccis are a very small part of the counterfeit business. The stories of fakes flooding the middle-lower end of the brand spectrum on eBay & Amazon materially harms those who spend time, money and effort inventing/developing products & brands.

    C) Chinese courts do not always recognize even a Chinese registered patent if it is foreign owned, or treat the violator with a leniency that doesn’t come close to adequate compensating for the damage done. However, a couple of recent cases I’m aware of suggest that may be changing quickly.

    It’s those 3 points where the world has a problem with China. Your, and Godfree’s points are irrelevant to them.

  179. Chinese 说:
    @jim jones

    “Nadeau observes that the Chinese language even lacks equivalents for freedom, liberty, individual, autonomy, rights, choice, equality and dignity.”

    What a load of nonsense!

    自由- liberty, freedom
    自治的 – autonomous
    权 – rights
    选择 – choice
    平等 – equality
    尊严 – dignity

    Clearly Nadeau has no idea what he is talking about and, with respect, your critical capacity must be severely lacking if you believe any human language, particularly one derived from of a longstanding civilisation and used in a modern society, would be incapable of expressing these concepts. How do you think Mao pushed for communism if he didn’t use words such as equality and rights? How do you think Taiwan has elections if there is no word for choice? How could the conventions you refer to be ratified and translated into Chinese if there was no word for rights? Have you never heard of the various ‘autonomous’ regions of China? You probably never even read the Chinese constitution.

    Superficially the fact the Chinese language does have these words and that some of them are in the Chinese constitution might support your pro Chinese slant (or should that be propaganda), but the lack of even rudimentary knowledge of these basic facts suggests you have done no research and have no business commenting on human rights in China at all.

    So basically after reading that, I thought the whole article would be badly thought out nonsense. I barely skimmed the rest, but I saw the claim that neither China nor US voters directly elect the head of state. While technically true it shows complete ignorance of the practical reality, or maybe just a mendacious wish to deceive. Most people noticed in 2016 the contest was between Trump and Clinton – and voters basically had that in mind when voting. Watch some news and you might figure it out.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  180. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @FB

    Ya .. he is a youtube attention whore. His situation must be pretty desperate because he seems willing to say anything for hits.

  181. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I remember stumbling across a bunch of Chinese sleeping rough under an underpass in Beijing, while walking from the central train station to the main tourist area. I’m guessing they were migrants from the country who had come to the big city looking for work.

    Saying there’s zero homelessness in China is a massive lie.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  182. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Chinese language will never be a lingua franca- except in east Asia.

    I disagree. It’s going to be a globally useful language, not far behind English.

    Firstly, Chinese tourists are almost incapable of speaking any other language, and yet have a large supply of easy money to dump all over the world. This encourages the tourist industry to become fluent in their language.

    Secondly, the Chinese diaspora already has a global reach, and is rapidly standardising around the Mandarin form of Chinese. This will spread the language wherever they do business. Expect random Africans to be able to speak basic Chinese because they had a Chinese boss a few years back.

  183. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    It’s a shame most Muslims are hypocrites.

    1-宗教(实践自由)

    … except when the religion is not Islam.

    2-生命(生命的神圣性)

    那些亵渎伊斯兰教的人都该死!

    3-智力(坚持理性、知识和教育的力量)

    伊斯兰推理是基于一个巨大的、不断变化的语料库 先验 recordings from way back when. Scientific discovery and technology are the fruits of intellect, and the Islamic world hasn’t produced anything of note for about 600 years.

    4-财产(保证资产安全)

    Didn’t work so well for the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan.

    5- 血统(家庭/子女的重要性)

    现在,如果他们能够关注质量而不是数量就好了!

    I’m sorry to rip on your religion, but the hypocrisy is quite odorous. 全部 纸上谈兵可以做得很好,但考验是它所结出的果实。

    • 回复: @Ibn Issam
  184. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Vidi

    It’s not always honest, according to American law. Their reverse engineering is legendary, and it’s almost impossible to enforce laws against Chinese companies operating inside China.

    Personally, I consider IP laws to be badly designed and generally used to empower the big guys at the expense of the little guys. Therefore, in my eyes, China’s ‘fuck IP’ approach is actually a welcome breath of fresh air. It’s not without it’s share of resultant problems (Chinese manufacturing companies are loath to spend on product improvement, because their competitors will copy their advances for free) but I still consider it a valid alternative to the American way.

  185. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Erebus

    A beggar once approached me on the Shanghai tube. The half full carriage of only Chinese people ushered/chased him away from me. I suspect that begging in China may not be particularly lucrative.

    • 回复: @Erebus
  186. Tyrion 2 说:
    @D

    我从未在中国教过书,但访问过那里后,我只能假设与漂亮且令人惊讶的精英女孩发生令人难以置信的轻松性行为会非常腐败。

    I was always confused as to why the local men didn’t resent this more. Men usually do in these circumstances. I suppose it might be because the very good looking/successful ones are having an incredibly fun time and the others just sort of assume you are in the same group as those? Or perhaps it is just a function of the Buddhist physical/spiritual world separation, so sex is sport? Or maybe the language gap shrouds my horrific chat?

  187. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    While I don’t believe your baseless and seemingly propagandistic anecdotes and assertions, I do think that you’d be more credible if you pointed out the biggest barrier to America improving its minimum living standards: “bring me your poor, huddled, tired, useless, lazy, whatever etc. etc.”

  188. Tyrion 2 说:
    @denk

    So you’re saying America needs a stronger “Culture of Critique?”

    • 回复: @denk
  189. @Anonymous

    Let’s wait until June 1, 2021 to hear how president announces it.

    He will qualify it, of course, but home ownership among China’s bottom quartile in 2017 was already 97%.

    It has nothing to do with lying. It’s just how you define the result.

  190. @Chinese

    So Nadeau’s claim about Chinese vocabulary made the entire article nonsense? Come, come.

  191. denk 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    提利昂

    West is overly self-critical

    You’r a bald faced liar.

    anonfromtn

    If anything, the West praises itself much more than it deserves. “Shining city on the hill” and the rest of this BS.

    QED

  192. Art 说:
    @denk

    The Chinese would rather starve momentarily than plunder.

    The elite Chinese had no reason to plunder because the average Chinese would not revolt. They just accepted Confucian authority and their plight.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @denk
  193. FB 说:

    Well…last night I decided to screen, again, The Last Emperor…after an absence of some years…

    A film of epic historical sweep, Bernardo Bertolucci’s 1987 story of Pu Yi…who ascends to the 龙王座 as an infant barely three years old, only to be swept along by the most tumultuous currents of perhaps any era in world history…the first half of the 20’th century…

    The film opens in 1950, with a train pulling into a station, as neatly uniformed Chinese soldiers line the platform and men in civil clothing get off the train cars…while a voice from loudspeakers continuously instructs the ‘war criminals’ to proceed in orderly fashion to their destination…a large hall where they are given soup…and where Pu Yi attempts to slit his wrists in an adjacent washroom…

    Their ultimate home is the Fushun Prison aka ‘War Criminals Management Center’…where the prisoners are each given a notebook in which to write a detailed account of their confessions…

    Pu Yi’s life story… shown in flashbacks as he reconstructs the last 42 years of his life in his prison notebook, starts with his arrival in the Forbidden City at age three…and moves fluidly through his road to adulthood and an arranged marriage to two beautiful young wives…and eventually his departure from the Forbidden City as the country descends into chaos during the ‘warlord era’ era of the 1920s…

    He and his coterie of wives and servants take refuge in the Japanese embassy and by 1932 he is installed as the puppet ’emperor’ of Japanese-occupied Manchuria, his birthplace and the seat of the which had ruled China since 1644…

    During this time, China is split into the Japanese ‘Manchukuo’ and the Republic of China under the Western-supported dictator Chiang Kai-shek…

    As the puppet head of Manchukuo, Pu Yi cuts a tragicomic figure who is increasingly disrespected by his Japanese masters, even while he imagines that he is somehow manipulating them, and is on the road to restoring his ’empire’ over all of China…the Japanese have no qualms about spelling out to him their imperial ambitions for Asia…that they will rule all of China, as well as India, Burma and the South Pacific, nations and races that are inferior to the Japanese…Japanese is taught in the schools of Manchukuo…

    But of course all this comes to naught as the Soviet army invades Manchuria in August 1945 and quickly rolls up the Japanese occupation forces…

    In a last minute attempt to escape, Pu Yi boards a military plane for Tokyo, but it is too late… the sky is filled with Red Army paratroopers, before the plane can even taxi out of the hangar…he is taken into custody and held in the USSR for five years, the Russians refusing to extradite him into the hands of the imperialist puppet Chiang…he is handed over only after Mao’s Chinese Communists defeat the US-supported Chiang and drive his rump forces to Taiwan…

    With this backdrop of tumultuous history, the real story is one of Pu Yi finding redemption in the Fushun ‘re-education’ camp, under the careful tutelage of the prison governor, played strongly here by 英若诚 who is not only an actor, but the PRC vice minister for Culture at the time of filming…

    Pu Yi, clearly a man of weak character who has never been in control of anything in his life, has constructed for himself a fantastically naive narrative of his traitorous role in the Japanese occupation of Manchuria…a delusion that the endlessly patient governor helps Pu Yi to finally accept…setting the ill-fated emperor free, for the first time in his life…he is pardoned in 1959 and embraces his occupation as a gardener in Beijing…

    We witness a poignant scene some years later, in the 1960s, during the chaotic Cultural Revolution, where Pu Yi spots the governor being marched shamefully through the streets by angry, flag-waving young people carrying Mao’s ‘little red book’ and chanting slogans and waving red banners…he approaches the dismissive young men and implores them that they have made an error…

    ‘…This is a good man, he is a teacher…you have made a mistake’

    As historian and former Newsweek journalist Edward Behr notes…

    ‘…In the eyes of Mao and other Chinese Communist leaders, Pu Yi, the last Emperor, was the epitome of all that had been evil in old Chinese society.

    If he could be shown to have undergone sincere, permanent change, what hope was there for the most diehard counter-revolutionary? The more overwhelming the guilt, the more spectacular the redemption-and the greater glory of the Chinese Communist Party…’

    Watching this film, one is reminded just how badly today’s world needs such re-education initiatives…as more and more people live in a fantastic world of make-believe, carefully spun by a pervasive indoctrination machine making use of powerful psychological tools and media…

    At least the ‘lost’ emperor Pu Yi did redeem himself…as Bertolucci shows…at its core it is the story of embracing the truth to set yourself free…most in today’s world will unfortunately never have this chance…

    –Qing Dynasty Flag

    [更多]

    –Pu Yi in 1922…

    –A portrait of the Emperor in 1934, from a Japanese magazine…

    –Pu Yi and a Soviet military officer…

    –Fushun war Criminals Management Center…

    –Chinese actor and cultural ambassador Ying Ruocheng…

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Erebus
    , @Anonymous
  194. Art 说:
    @FB

    FB — An excellent post — Thanks

    Looks like China must have an Emperor.

    The new commie guy has made himself president for life.

    Hmm — what is going to be his tragic fate?

    思考和平-艺术

  195. Erebus 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    You don’t say when it was, but I’ve had parallel experiences.

    As for its profitability, I once stumbled on a territorial dispute between a couple of the local “beggars” at the moment of payoff. It was pulled from a bag full of cash, so there’s money to be made. Presumably, it’s a matter of location.

    Back when they commonly worked the outdoor restaurants in their territory, I was an obvious target, but had great way to get rid of them…. offer them a job. After the initial shock, they always moved along quickly, often to a chorus of snickers from the other (Chinese) patrons.

  196. Erebus 说:
    @FB

    Seconding Art’s remark.
    It’s been 30(?) years since I saw that movie. Bertolucci was a master. Now I guess I’ll have to dig it out and watch it again.

  197. RedRobbo 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “马克思有通灵能力吗? ”
    不,但他可能会同意这一点:
    http://chuangcn.org/2018/03/marxconn/

  198. denk 说:
    @Art

    wow , 和平的人, 你是 故意 obtuse or what ?

    Im talking about the plunder of nations, like the Opium war, the rape of India, Africa

    Exhibit Philippines,
    gawd’s army in action.

    尽管针对菲律宾人的战争在这个国家基本上被遗忘或忽视,但这是一场血腥而残酷的冲突,美国士兵和疾病杀死了数十万菲律宾人。当黑人、妇女和儿童在这个国家遭受酷刑和杀害时,美国白人士兵屠杀了菲律宾的棕色皮肤居民,以便美国企业能够向太平洋扩张。

    We will not renounce our part in the mission of our race, trustee, under God, of the civilization of the world,” said Sen. Albert Beveridge in the U.S. Senate, speaking for the economic and political interests of this country. “Where shall we turn for consumers of our surplus? Georgraphy answers the question. China is our natural customer….The Philippines give us a base at the door of all the East.”

    -----

    Spain, seeing the futility of trying to stop the U.S. militarily, sold all its possessions to the United States for $20 million. This also included the Philippines, with Pres. William McKinley clothing the theft in the following words: “…there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all (all of Spain’s possessions) and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow men for whom Christ also died.

    https://www.countercurrents.org/us-cox240107.htm

    OMFG,
    狂妄自大!

    PS
    As for your misdirection about Chinese sheeples ‘subservience’ to tyranny.
    ANY govn that lost its credibility would be brought down eventually,, the Yuan, the Qing, the murkkan backed ROC….

    As for your overlords…..

    Its the Jews , nuthin but the Jews

    When are you good xtians gonna do something about it ?

    Did your gawd ask you to 转动另一个脸颊 还有?

    • 回复: @Art
  199. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @FB

    It was really beautiful how they did that, wasn’t it? He got to live out his days working a decent job in the middle of Beijing, and got to marry a woman he truly loved. Whatever bad things the communists may have done, they got this one completely right. Respect due!

  200. @denk

    共产党人是有史以来最卑鄙的败类。共产主义者是堕落的变态者,他们属于一个比地狱更糟糕的地方,一段时间比无数个无限的永恒还要长。

    共产党人给其他杀人犯、小偷、说谎者和作恶者带来坏名声。

    耶稣基督称共产主义者为“尼哥拉党”,并说他讨厌你们的行为和教义。你可以确信,最终他会在他天父指定的时间来临并永远毁灭你。

    不过,现在悔改还不算太晚。

    • 回复: @denk
  201. denk 说:
    @James Solbakken

    5个 复活节周日轰炸了 Yugo。

    挪威人授予诺贝尔奖 和平 奖励给5个谎言的罪犯。

    上帝在地狱里为这些人保留了一个特殊的地方。

    HHHHH

    PS
    AI过滤器可以检测疯子吗?

  202. Ibn Issam 说:
    @Anonymous

    人们很容易撕毁一些人们肤浅理解的东西,以便将其描绘成其他东西,或者错误地描绘它,以便只关注负面的东西。 Al-Ghazzali 关于这个主题的文章比我在最初的评论中提到的要深入得多。当人们无法在自己内心承认伊斯兰教的任何积极方面时,我发现他们要么是无知和误导,要么是故意撒谎。

    可悲的是,有些人宁愿对穆斯林说教、指责和居高临下地谈论,而不是进行富有成效的讨论,就好像我们需要你们的指导一样。

    关于你的指控:
    1 – 伊斯兰教保证任何被视为书中人民的群体信奉任何宗教的自由。穆斯林历史上一直非常包容,并将这一称号应用于印度教徒。琐罗亚斯德教徒、佛教徒、犹太人、基督教徒和许多其他人因此可以保持他们的宗教信仰完整并自由实践。
    2- 人民有权在自己的社会范围内确定什么是死刑。从外部环境对穆斯林说教听起来很傲慢。我承认,死刑有时被滥用,这是应该解决的问题,但西方适用的死刑也是如此。
    3- 与普遍的误解相反,伊斯兰教并不反对科学发现和技术。伊斯兰教鼓励寻求知识。它被认为是一种崇拜行为。 “智力成果”不仅限于科学发现和技术。哲学、神学、推理、逻辑、法律、数学、建筑、工程学、创造性艺术作品、文学诗歌、散文和语言表现主义,等等。有许多当代穆斯林在这些领域及其他领域表现出色,包括今天仍在继续做出科学发现的穆斯林科学家,他们不应该被低估。
    4-即使在穆斯林统治建立之后,印度教徒和锡克教徒也可以保留他们的财产,包括宗教场所。
    5-我不会费心去解决你在这一点上的偏执和种族主义言论。

    萨拉姆塔克。

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
    , @Anonymous
  203. @Ibn Issam

    “5-我不会费心去解决你在这一点上的偏执和种族主义言论。”

    伊斯兰教不是一个种族,那么为什么要提出种族主义呢?因为这是一种共产主义策略,这就是原因,并证明后现代伊斯兰教在很大程度上已被共产主义征服,并服务于马克思主义全球主义者的目的,而不再是真正的伊斯兰教。

    可悲的是,马克思主义全球主义者也吸纳了基督教和犹太教,并试图吸纳印度教、佛教以及任何和所有其他宗教,因为马克思主义全球主义者崇拜撒旦,而撒旦希望受到所有宗教的崇拜,他正在制造一种朝着这一目标取得了很大进展。

    这一切都在新约《启示录》中,其中讲述了地球上的君王、地球上的商人以及地球上的宗教误导者,所有这些都将他们的力量交给了兽和撒旦。没有多少人能够逃脱这股邪恶浪潮的吞噬。

    • 回复: @Ibn Issam
  204. Art 说:
    @denk

    Did your gawd ask you to 转动另一个脸颊 还有?

    Turning the other cheek is an act of defiance against evil.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 回复: @denk
  205. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    You’ve got me all wrong. My understanding isn’t superficial. It’s real life experience that comes from spending years living and working with Muslims. Your reference to Al-Ghazzali makes me see you as an ivory tower Muslim who is oblivious to the shortcomings of the real living Islam. I will also concede that there are many positive aspects to Islam and these are to be elated. My issue is simply that most Muslims have a completely deluded view of their own religion. They actively encourage each other’s delusion, and the collective delusion is keeping the Muslim world firmly in the passenger seat of human progress.

    1 – 伊斯兰教保证任何被视为书中人民的群体信奉任何宗教的自由。穆斯林历史上一直非常包容,并将这一称号应用于印度教徒。琐罗亚斯德教徒、佛教徒、犹太人、基督教徒和许多其他人因此可以保持他们的宗教信仰完整并自由实践。

    除非他们出生在穆斯林家庭。在这种情况下,他们是乌玛的财产,他们的命运将永远根据伊斯兰法决定。

    如果他们是真正的上帝之人,认为神圣的经验高于圣经,并且需要在找到真正的家之前进行跨越许多宗教传统的精神之旅,该怎么办?伊斯兰教认为自己是至高无上的宗教,对那些在其他地方找到更高真理的人并不友善。

    2- 人民有权在自己的社会范围内确定什么是死刑。

    这是真的。这是文化差异。另一个重要的文化差异是,穆斯林甚至不按照他们自己的法律行事,如果他们的众多红线之一被跨越,他们可能会陷入原始的暴力愤怒。据我所知,法外处决在巴基斯坦很常见。

    3- 与普遍的误解相反,伊斯兰教并不反对科学发现和技术。伊斯兰教鼓励寻求知识。它被认为是一种崇拜行为。

    它也被认为是危险的,因为如果它侵犯了乌玛的习俗,它可能被认为是非伊斯兰教的。就像在所有极权主义政权中一样,科学家必须谨慎对待他们到底揭示了哪些真相,以及他们到底打破了谁的饭碗。

    公平地对待伊斯兰教,基督教曾经也有同样的问题(问问加利略),但值得庆幸的是,它已经解决了。

    4-即使在穆斯林统治建立之后,印度教徒和锡克教徒也可以保留他们的财产,包括宗教场所。

    当超过 90% 的人不得不离开时,这对他们来说并没有多大好处。从北到南,印度各地的穆斯林仍然幸福地生活着。巴基斯坦有多少个印度教和锡克教地区?

    5-我不会费心去解决你在这一点上的偏执和种族主义言论。

    你这样称呼它是正确的。这是基于挫败感。

    • 回复: @Ibn Issam
  206. denk 说:
    @Art

    The elite Chinese had no reason to plunder because the average Chinese would not revolt. They just accepted Confucian authority and their plight.

    Confucius told The Chinese, do not take it lying down.

    https://www.manufacturing.net/news/2011/08/china-orders-chemical-plant-closure-after-protests

    YOur gawd tell you to 转动另一个脸颊 and everything will be fine

    [固定]

    OK
    Im done with this ‘overly self critical Anglo culture’............
    according to tyrion. [原文]

    再见

    [Dont get entangled with a 磨床]

    PS
    This article only compare the internal policies .
    BUt you aint seen nuthin yet.
    Dont get me started on murkka’s foreign policies, it’s genocidal wars over three centuries would make this human rights gap looks like heaven and hell.
    China, warts and all, would looks like an 天使 compared to USA.

    • 回复: @denk
  207. denk 说:
    @denk

    嗯...

    gawd tells Art the xtian,
    Just turn your cheek and everything’d be fine.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/a-problem-from-hell-the-u_b_8090782.html

    Kosovo, Libya, Fallujah, Raqqa, Yemen and….
    Iran ???

  208. APilgrim 说:

    基督教中心地带开启为中国灵魂而战的窗口,作者:YANAN WANG,中国南洋,美联社,NATION & WORLD,07 年 2018 月 06 日上午 45:07,更新于 2018 年 12 月 51 日下午 XNUMX:XNUMX, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article216218255.html

    在中国自毛泽东以来最有权势的领导人习近平的领导下,即使中国经历了宗教复兴,信徒们也看到他们的自由急剧萎缩。 专家和活动人士表示,在巩固权力的同时,习近平正在对基督教进行自 1982 年将宗教自由写入中国宪法以来最严厉的系统性镇压。

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
  209. APilgrim 说:

    For those who are interested, in this sort of thing.

    ‘Muslim Minorities Held for Months in Unlawful Facilities’, New York, September 10, 2017 9:00PM EDT, https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/09/10/china-free-xinjiang-political-education-detainees

    Xinjiang, in northwestern China, is home to 10 million Uyghurs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities. The Chinese government has imposed pervasive discrimination, repression, and restrictions on fundamental human rights, including freedom of religion.

    • 回复: @DB Cooper
    , @Godfree Roberts
  210. APilgrim 说:

    China fires SIX WARNINGS to US Navy in South China Sea ‘This is China…LEAVE IMMEDIATELY’, By ALAHNA KINDRED, PUBLISHED: 10:19, Fri, Aug 10, 2018 | UPDATED: 14:46, Fri, Aug 10, 2018, https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1001656/China-US-latest-WW3-fears-South-China-Sea-US-Navy

    THE Chinese military told a US Navy plane flying over the highly-disputed island in the South China Sea to “leave immediately”.

    Each time the aircraft was challenged by the Chinese military, the US Navy crew’s response was the same. The response was: “I am a sovereign immune United States naval aircraft conducting lawful military activities beyond the national airspace of any coastal state. “In exercising these rights as guaranteed by international law, I am operating with due regard for the rights and duties of all states.”

    • 回复: @denk
    , @denk
  211. DB Cooper 说:
    @APilgrim

    Christians like to feel being suppressed. This narrative traced back to the Roman times and this sense of victimhood empowers them. Derivatives of Christianity like Mormons for example all milk this victimhood as part of their sob stories. If Xi is really waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity then Xi is just doing these Christians huge favor. These Christians should thank him, otherwise they will be so bored.

  212. DB Cooper 说:
    @APilgrim

    I know you don’t know it but religious piety does not exist in Chinese culture. Someone has commented on the profanity of Chinese culture, basically apart from a few things nothing is sacred in the eyes of the Chinese. And this include religion. If you are observant you will notice that Chinese (and other East Asians such as Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thais…etc. ) are religiously promiscuously, for lack of a better word. A Chinese can walk into a Buddhist temple and pray on one day and go to a Daoist temple and pray the other day and this is absolutely normal behavior. Chinese see religion in transactional terms instead of in moral terms like in the West. As far as religion goes the Chinese practice free love. Nothing can be freer than that.

    Chinese should actually lecture to the West to be not so uptight on religion. Uptightness lead to tensions and religious wars. Have you ever wonder why there is no religious war in China?

    • 回复: @denk
  213. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:

    Chinese can walk into a Buddhist temple and pray on one day and go to a Daoist temple and pray the other day and this is absolutely normal behavior. Chinese see religion in transactional terms instead of in moral terms like in the West. As far as religion goes the Chinese practice free love. Nothing can be freer than that.

    Chinese ‘buddhism’ in my experience is nothing like the ‘purer’ Buddhism I came across in the West, or in Thailand. In my experience, they worship a whole pantheon of gods and I’m not sure exactly why it’s called buddhism at all. In this light, the difference between Chinese Taoism and Chinese Buddhism is very minor.

    Another interesting anecdote is that I’ve met buddhist and taoist Chinese who have converted to Christianity. Both conversions were met with opposition by their family, who, in the first case, didn’t understand what this Jesus thing was all about and, in the second case, were afraid that if their daughter became Christian then she would stop ancestor worship and thus no one would do prayers for them after they died.

    I feel most comfortable with the understanding that Chinese do indeed have quite a strictly defined and long running spiritual tradition but one that can change it clothes and adopt the outward appearance of another religion.

  214. Ibn Issam 说:
    @James Solbakken

    我提到种族主义是因为此类言论往往是出于种族主义至上主义的态度或意识形态。然而,我承认我可能仓促地对评论者做出了太多的假设,我应该说“可能是种族主义者”或者根本不提这个词。

    关于撒旦想要受到所有宗教的崇拜,我理解并基本同意你的观点。圣训中也有类似的预言,《古兰经》也明确无误地警告我们提防撒旦。

    你说得对,很少有人能逃脱灾难。当那些日子到来时,一个人的宗教信仰将不再受到关注,因为真理将会显现,之后,人类将分为两个阵营:效忠撒旦的人和反对撒旦的人。保持对至高神(上帝/真主/天父)的忠诚。从这个意义上说,我们所有信仰上帝的人最终将团结起来,进行与邪恶势力的正义斗争。

    在我看来,最好不要等待末日,与所有其他爱神的人以及任何以友谊而来的人团结起来并建立联盟!

    • 回复: @James Solbakken
  215. Ibn Issam 说:
    @Anonymous

    我的问题很简单,大多数穆斯林对自己的宗教有完全错误的看法。

    恕我直言,你的“与穆斯林一起生活和工作的真实生活经历”并不能让你成为伊斯兰教专家。穆斯林很清楚自己宗教中存在的各种问题。并不是穆斯林忽视了这些问题,而是他们不断地试图解释和反驳非穆斯林对伊斯兰教的误解。如果有人猛烈批评和攻击伊斯兰教,并将其描绘成不可救药的邪恶,您认为我们会如何回应?人们往往不是一开始就承认伊斯兰教的优点,而是直接开始分裂伊斯兰教,然后想知道为什么穆斯林表现得如此防御,只用相反的观点来回应。

    1 – 伊斯兰教保证任何被视为书中人民的群体信奉任何宗教的自由。穆斯林历史上一直非常包容,并将这一称号应用于印度教徒。琐罗亚斯德教徒、佛教徒、犹太人、基督教徒和许多其他人因此可以保持他们的宗教信仰完整并自由实践。

    除非他们出生在穆斯林家庭。在这种情况下,他们是乌玛的财产,他们的命运将永远根据伊斯兰法决定。
    如果他们是真正的上帝之人,认为神圣的经验高于圣经,并且需要在找到真正的家之前进行跨越许多宗教传统的精神之旅,该怎么办?伊斯兰教认为自己是至高无上的宗教,对那些在其他地方找到更高真理的人并不友善。

    这让我认为你对伊斯兰教的了解来自阅读反穆斯林网站等,而不是来自“现实生活”的经历。就像其他人一样,穆斯林可以根据需要改变宗教信仰,我个人就知道曾经这样做过的前穆斯林,而且没有产生任何影响。当然这不是首选,他们的家人对此也不满意,但这是可以预料的。 《古兰经》实际上是世界上唯一鼓励我们探索其他宗教传统、了解其他民族和文化的宗教书籍,《古兰经》相信我们会发现伊斯兰教是最好的选择道路。

    2- 人民有权在自己的社会范围内确定什么是死刑。
    这是真的。这是文化差异。另一个重要的文化差异是,穆斯林甚至不按照他们自己的法律行事,如果他们的众多红线之一被跨越,他们可能会陷入原始的暴力愤怒。据我所知,法外处决在巴基斯坦很常见。

    我没有责任为那些违反法律的人辩护,我也不为法外处决辩护。这是一个问题,我知道巴基斯坦法律当局也在努力解决这个问题。顺便说一句,我可以在自己的生活中多次目睹非穆斯林(美国人/基督徒/无神论者/印度教徒/犹太人/等)在不同的场合陷入“原始的暴力愤怒,如果他们中的一个人非常愤怒的话”。许多红线被跨越了。”没有人宽恕,但有时人们会在愤怒中失去自我,为什么要把一切都归咎于伊斯兰教呢?人民就是人民。

    3- 与普遍的误解相反,伊斯兰教并不反对科学发现和技术。伊斯兰教鼓励寻求知识。它被认为是一种崇拜行为。
    它也被认为是危险的,因为如果它侵犯了乌玛的习俗,它可能被认为是非伊斯兰教的。就像在所有极权主义政权中一样,科学家必须谨慎对待他们到底揭示了哪些真相,以及他们到底打破了谁的饭碗。
    公平地对待伊斯兰教,基督教曾经也有同样的问题(问问加利略),但值得庆幸的是,它已经解决了。

    是的,伊斯兰教设定了界限,其目的是为了整个社会的利益。将伊斯兰教与极权主义进行比较是一种陈旧且不准确的伊斯兰恐惧症模因。伊斯兰教设定的界限是一般性指导,社会可以通过协商(shura)和共识(Ijma)制度,在这些界限的框架内确定在当前时间和情况下什么最有效,这也构成了伊斯兰教的基本原则。伊斯兰民主的基础。同样,社会可以决定对科学发现施加(或不施加)什么限制,这是任何社会的特权,例如在东方和西方都存在围绕干细胞和DNA克隆的道德问题。

    4-即使在穆斯林统治建立之后,印度教徒和锡克教徒也可以保留他们的财产,包括宗教场所。
    当超过 90% 的人不得不离开时,这对他们来说并没有多大好处。从北到南,印度各地的穆斯林仍然幸福地生活着。巴基斯坦有多少个印度教和锡克教地区?

    不知道你从哪里得到 >90% 的数字,特别是今天我们看到印度 80% 的人口是印度教徒,几乎有 20,000 亿人。巴基斯坦有 XNUMX 名锡克教徒,而我确信大多数锡克教徒更喜欢居住在印度古吉拉特邦,因为阿姆利则金神殿就位于那里。与此同时,印度教徒可能更喜欢生活在印度教统治的印度而不是巴基斯坦。我们不应该忘记,由于英国殖民主义政策的误导,导致印度和巴基斯坦分裂之前的几个世纪里,印度教徒和穆斯林在大部分时间里和平共处,而我们今天看到的许多问题都源于这一考虑不周的决定。

    5-我不会费心去解决你在这一点上的偏执和种族主义言论。
    你这样称呼它是正确的。这是基于挫败感。

    感谢您的认可,我希望我的言论没有冒犯您。

    萨拉姆

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  216. Lee 说:

    Thanks for a nice reasoned article that cuts through US government human rights distortion. We can specify the gap(s) quite precisely in comprehensive terms. All the work is done for you already.

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Indicators/Pages/HRIndicatorsIndex.aspx

    The first map shows each government’s commitments to core human rights, the minimal standards of the civilized world. By this criterion, the US government is at the bottom of the barrel, having made only 5 binding commitments. That’s about the level of Myanmar, Malaysia, and South Sudan. China has made eight commitments, better but not much.

    The second map shows whether the government lets you appeal its actions to independent international human rights experts. The US government forbids you any recourse to the outside world. So does China. Here both countries are in the cellar, down in the bottom ten per cent with North Korea, Iran, and some other cats and dogs.

    The third map is for reporting compliance. In the cases where the government has made a commitment, does it report as agreed in good faith? In this respect the US is mediocre — in the middle of the pack, trailing Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, but more dutiful than North Korea or Iran. But the grading here is quite indulgent. In reporting to the Committee Against Torture, the US government turned in its homework five years late while CIA was running their secret gulag of “black site” death camps.

    The fourth map is pass/fail, and the US and China both fail. Both governments have failed to issue standing invitations to UN human rights experts reviewing compliance in-country.

    The fifth map shows whether the governments meet the world standard for institutionalized human rights under independent expert supervision. Here again both China and the US are floundering in the bottom tier, the international equivalent of Animal House. Even Myanmar can do better than that.

    You can characterize the two countries by digging into specific issues and urgent ‘follow-on’ derelictions.

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/AsiaRegion/Pages/CNIndex.aspx
    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/LACRegion/Pages/USIndex.aspx

    However, since China has committed to respect your economic rights and the US holds them in contempt, there’s no US assessment for comparison. There’s some high-level information about that in the US UPRs:

    https://www.upr-info.org/database/

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  217. @Ibn Issam

    ”与所有其他热爱上帝的人以及任何以友谊而来的人团结起来并建立联盟! ”

    罗马书12章告诉我这一点:

    17、不以恶报恶。提供众人眼中诚实的事。
    18如果有可能,尽可能多地撒谎,与所有人和平生活。

    我愿意向后弯腰与所有人和平相处,但是,如果你明白我的比喻的话,我在向前弯腰时划清了界限。

    • 回复: @Ibn Issam
  218. denk 说:
    @DB Cooper

    朝圣 must be another one of those ‘overly self critical anglo‘ as per tyrion.

    Trouble is, this specie keep 树错树......
    Who’s the world champion in butchering Muslims civilians ?

    HHHHH

  219. denk 说:
    @APilgrim

    “I am a sovereign immune United States naval aircraft conducting lawful military activities beyond the national airspace of any coastal state

    [I m a privatised fire fighters……[er, professional arsonist]
    no fire, no money.

    Its my job to pour oil on fire , or to start a fire if there;s none.
    how else do you expect a man to make a living if there’s no fire ?]

    固定

    PS
    How many supreme international crimes have fukus committed since ww2 ?
    Whats China’s score. ?

    did warn you dont get me started on murkkan foreign policies, you’r just asking for it.

    HHHH

  220. Ibn Issam 说:
    @James Solbakken

    我愿意向后弯腰与所有人和平相处,但是,如果你明白我的比喻,我在向前弯腰时划清了界限

    .

    是的,我理解并同意你的观点。我还想,许多因西方持续干预和军国主义而在自己国家受害和被抛弃的穆斯林现在一定持有与你的比喻所暗示的同样的情感。我们必须明白,我们为自己祈求的善良、尊重、正义、公平等,别人也为自己祈求。

  221. denk 说:
    @APilgrim

    我是一个 sovereign immune United States naval aircraft conducting lawful military activities beyond the national airspace of any coastal state

    [the Chinese, objecting to our spy planes on their coast, do not recognize that our planes themselves are “sovereign” territory, while the Chinese mainland has a more dubious status. They must accept the fact that Uncle Chutzpah has long done this kind of spying and will continue to do it to advance our “national security,” until they can pose a credible military response to Uncle’s intrusions.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070807055239/http://www.zmag.org/ZSustainers/ZDaily/2001-04/09herman.htm

  222. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    恕我直言,你的“与穆斯林一起生活和工作的真实生活经历”并不能让你成为伊斯兰教专家。

    我的观点是读书也无济于事!伊斯兰教是一个充满生机的部落/国家,更多地受习俗而非理想的支配。我实际上比许多穆斯林对伊斯兰教有更准确的看法,只是因为他们的头脑里充满了理想,阻止了他们看到事情的实际情况。

    并不是穆斯林忽视了这些问题,而是他们不断地试图解释和反驳非穆斯林对伊斯兰教的误解。

    根据我的经验,穆斯林常常忽视我提出的问题。举个例子,他们认为自己经济能力的缺乏是“天意”造成的,而不是自己精神上的缺陷。

    It’s funny. I have friends who are Muslim and also a friend who is a Hare Krsna. Both their faiths actively encourage rose tinted vision, and so both their faiths are equally blind to their own shortcomings. It is certainly not unique to Islam!

    顺便说一句,我可以在自己的生活中多次目睹非穆斯林(美国人/基督徒/无神论者/印度教徒/犹太人/等)在不同的场合陷入“原始的暴力愤怒,如果他们中的一个人非常愤怒的话”。许多红线被跨越了。”没有人宽恕,但有时人们会在愤怒中失去自我,为什么要把一切都归咎于伊斯兰教呢?人民就是人民。

    This is true. It’s what happens when someone’s bubble is suddenly popped. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the rage. Atheists generally have small bubbles and hence get mildly irate. Muslims generally have big bubbles, hence can go absolutely psychotic.

    不知道你从哪里得到 >90% 的数字,特别是今天我们看到印度 80% 的人口是印度教徒,几乎有 20,000 亿人。巴基斯坦有 XNUMX 名锡克教徒,而我确信大多数锡克教徒更喜欢居住在印度古吉拉特邦,因为阿姆利则金神殿就位于那里。

    看这里的文章 http://www.indiaofthepast.org/contribute-memories/read-contributions/life-back-then/355-hindus-sikhs-and-muslims-in-pre-1947-lahore

    随着独立的临近,拉合尔有 300,000 万印度教徒和锡克教徒。到 19 年 1947 月 10,000 日,这一数字已降至 1,000 人,到月底只剩下 XNUMX 人。大多数人移居印度。

    Present day numbers for Sikhs in Pakistan are apparently 6k-20k. Pre-partition numbers were at least a few million, so that’s actually way more than 90% disappearance rate.

    It’s not about where people 比较喜欢 to live, it’s about where they can safely live. A Muslim friend of mine went to Tamil Nadu recently and, deliberately to test for discrimination, he wore his prayer cap. He found no discrimination at all towards himself or to any Muslims living there (and conversely lots of discrimination towards lower caste Hindus). If a Hindu had tried that in Pakistan, I think the situation may be different.

    Also, it’s not the Gujarat – its the Punjab. The Gujarat is to the South where every second family is called Patel, while the Punjab is to the North where they like to run around shouting ‘balle! balle!”

    感谢您的认可,我希望我的言论没有冒犯您。

    一点也不。谢谢。

  223. Ibn Issam 说:

    伊斯兰教是一个充满生机的部落/国家,更多地受习俗而非理想的支配。

    一些文化习俗和伊斯兰教义之间存在差异。一个学过的优秀穆斯林知道其中的差异,如果不知道,那么我同意这有时可能会出现问题。然而,我认为你需要更多地相信穆斯林以及他们看待当前事态的能力。大多数穆斯林能够超越文化包袱,理解伊斯兰教所提出的崇高理想,许多穆斯林哀悼他们的一些弟兄(甚至他们自己)没有达到伊斯兰教设定的高标准。

    根据我的经验,穆斯林常常忽视我提出的问题。举个例子,他们认为自己经济能力的缺乏是“天意”造成的,而不是自己精神上的缺陷。

    再说一次,你没有充分认可穆斯林人民的才能,并且似乎将所有穆斯林描绘成头脑简单和单一的。相信上帝及其意志的人们当然会自然地将事物归因于“上帝的意志”,但这并不意味着他们没有同时看到广泛的其他因素在发挥作用。事态。玫瑰色的视野不仅限于宗教人士,我认识许多世俗主义者(以及基督徒/犹太人/等),他们在自己的世界观中从未看到任何值得批评的东西。

    泡沫越大,愤怒越大。

    关于气泡的大小,我可以说我见过许多非穆斯林失去了他们的东西,而精神暴力不仅仅限于穆斯林。

    关于居住在巴基斯坦的锡克教徒和印度教徒 –
    英国分治造成了现代历史上最严重的人口剧变之一。你只关注锡克教和印度教人口的转移,而忽视了成千上万的穆斯林被迫从印度的家园搬到新成立的巴基斯坦,从而描绘出一幅不平衡的景象。在当今时代,由于法西斯极右翼印度人民党的政策,印度正试图将穆斯林人口转移出阿萨姆邦,这些穆斯林人口(以及许多印度教徒)在孟加拉国独立战争期间从孟加拉国迁移到那里。巴基斯坦。 1947 年英国决定瓜分国家所造成的局面对所有参与者都不利,正如你所看到的,它至今仍在造成问题。我不知道打败这匹马如何证明伊斯兰教的任何事情,而不是证明西方干预主义从来都不是一个好主意。

    在生活安全方面,世界上每个城市都存在不安全的社区。在我自己的美国城市,我必须小心谨慎,不要住在不安全的社区,那里可能存在反穆斯林情绪、犯罪或种族主义。人们在选择居住地时会考虑多种原因,他们可能 比较喜欢 住在离宗教圣地更近的地方,和/或选择住在安全的地方。对于印度教徒来说,如果认为整个宗教中的每个人都像你暗示的那样去得到它们,那就太偏执了。

    与此同时,印度的印度教徒意识到穆斯林、佛教和其他信仰传统是这个国家不可分割的一部分,而在巴基斯坦,一个孤独的印度教徒可以在被数千名穆斯林包围的市场中安全地购物。你的思维只考虑负面的头条新闻,而忽略了和平共处的日常现实。

    萨拉姆

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  224. Reg Cæsar 说:

    The USA has deprived the people of thirty-five countries of their rights and since 第二次世界大战 by invading them.

    “since World War II”?

    Why the weasel words? We invaded other countries throughout the 20th century. Are you justifying our war in the Pacific just because it was good for 中国?

    We could have spanked Japan for Pearl Harbor– the result of our goading them– then ignored the rest of the world and gone about our business.

    You sound like the French, who are always condemning our entry into other countries, but hypocritically name their streets after those of us who invaded theirs.

  225. @Erebus

    There are legal fora in the US, at the WTO TRIPS court and in Shanghai and Beijing (where Apple is currently suing Qualcomm). I’ve put some links to them below. As you will see, there are no serious IP cases against China and have never been. Verdicts on the cases that have been brought against Chinese firms (none against the government) suggest small-time privateers, judging by the awards given.

    Federal Court’s Northern District of California, where most complainants will file suits against Chinese entities. A database of Intellectual Property Cases can be found here: dockets.justia.com/browse/circuit-9/state-california/court-candce/noscat-10.

    WTO’s international forum for Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights, TRIPS, start here: http://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/27-trips_04d_e.htm

    Chinese IP court filings and decisions: chinaipr.com/category/beijing-ip-court/. It’s a fast-moving scene but most sites have free subscriptions that will keep you up to date.

    Your anecdotes are interesting but, unlike the judgements, not verifiable and, by now, irrelevant. Last year the Japan Science and Technology Agency found that China now ranks as the most influential country in four of eight core scientific fields, tying with the U.S. The agency took the top 10% of the most referenced studies in each field, and determined the number of authors who were affiliated with the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, China or Japan. China ranked first in computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering. The U.S., on the other hand, led the way in physics, environmental and earth sciences, basic life science and clinical medicine. China also leads in almost all significant technologies. That doesn’t suggest copying to me.

  226. @Anonymous

    The ‘China’ you describe exists in our media only. In real China, 95% of people trust their government and support its policies. Corruption, compared to the US, is negligible, and equitability is remarkable.

    By June 1, 2021, every Chinese will have a home, a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health and old age care. 

    On that day there will be more poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.Not relatively, not per capita. In absolute numbers. In the richest country on earth.

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  227. @APilgrim

    Like WMDs hidden in pre-war Iraq, Uyghur detention centers are also carefully concealed.

    Have you seen how Muslims are policed, persecuted and harassed in the US? Imagine what would happen if some of them–trained and funded by China–had massacred 120 Bostonians at a commuter station one morning, as happened in China. You cannot underestimate the impact of extreme religious thought.

    China’s de-radicalization campaign is stringent, but it works. Europe’s methods are less effective, but it is a common challenge faced by all and it is time to set aside conflicts over different values to prevent radicalism from globalizing.

  228. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ibn Issam

    一些文化习俗和伊斯兰教义之间存在差异。一个学过的优秀穆斯林知道其中的差异,如果不知道,那么我同意这有时可能会出现问题。然而,我认为你需要更多地相信穆斯林以及他们看待当前事态的能力。大多数穆斯林能够超越文化包袱,理解伊斯兰教所提出的崇高理想,许多穆斯林哀悼他们的一些弟兄(甚至他们自己)没有达到伊斯兰教设定的高标准。

    We agree in principal, but we disagree about numbers. In my experience, most Muslims in real life are nowhere near the higher understanding that we’re talking about. Maybe birds of a feather flock together and yourself and Talha both hang out with other more enlightened Muslims.

    玫瑰色的视野不仅限于宗教人士,我认识许多世俗主义者(以及基督徒/犹太人/等),他们在自己的世界观中从未看到任何值得批评的东西。

    Good point. Christians are mostly benign nowadays, but misguided Jews and SJWs are both equally as dangerous as misguided Muslims. In fact, by death count, I’m sure Jews are leading the pack by a country mile.

    关于气泡的大小,我可以说我见过许多非穆斯林失去了他们的东西,而精神暴力不仅仅限于穆斯林。

    又是真的。我的脑海中浮现出犹太狂战士和嚎叫的 SJW。

    英国分治造成了现代历史上最严重的人口剧变之一。

    I don’t think it’s fair to blame Britain. It was bleeding heavily after fighting the war, and it was facing a newly emerging European consciousness that had no love for colonialism. They cut and ran but they did a reasonable job of arranging contingency plans. The two things they really failed with was their failure to insist upon East Pakistan being a separate country from the beginning, and their failure to ensure Kashmir was allocated unambiguously.

    你只关注锡克教和印度教人口的转移,而忽视了成千上万的穆斯林被迫从印度的家园搬到新成立的巴基斯坦,从而描绘出一幅不平衡的景象。

    No, I deliberately omitted the Muslims in India because the quantitative aspect is incomparable. To this day, India has 170 million Muslims which is more than the total population of Bangladesh and not far off the population of Pakistan! Conversely, the numbers I dug up last time showed that the Hindu/Sikh disappearance rate from West Pakistan was almost 100%. So the Muslims in India mostly survived and prospered, while the Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan were ethnically cleansed. That’s a huge difference and, in my eyes, indicative of the intolerance of Islam.

    你的思维只考虑负面的头条新闻,而忽略了和平共处的日常现实。

    暴风雨之间总是平静的。但有些地区容易遭受暴风雨,有些地区则不然。这需要考虑。

  229. Erebus 说:

    I am quite aware of China’s rise in scientific research, but I have no idea why you seem to think that it’s germane to a discussion about China’s IP theft. Basic scientific research is, by definition, not normally commercial IP and in any case is but a microscopic fraction of China’s product development activity.

    I suggest you refer again to points A, B & C in my post @182 if you want to address what the world is complaining about.
    Hint: it isn’t complaining about scientific research.

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  230. Anonymous [AKA "Martian Warrior"] 说:

    Chinese fortunes have always ebbed and flowed according to their cyclic view on history. That doesn’t seem to have changed now. Their people are still fundamentally at the mercy of the elements. It is unlike our situation where you see what kind of a hold on us is necessary to keep us in line. If 2 billion of our number lived in the same condition as the Chinese the entire nation would have burned itself out of existence.

  231. Erebus 说:

    #235 was intended as a response to Godfree Roberts’s #230.

  232. @Godfree Roberts

    Lol did you mean July 1, 2021?

    As someone who came to America during grade school, who surfs the Chinese internet regularly, I can say that plenty of smart Chinese come here and end up disillusioned. Like off the top of my head are several PhDs from Harvard/MIT I know. They think America is really good at fooling people, especially stupid ones.

    Strangely, when I was at undergrad, I met many typical ABC’s, who are just superficial. As I went to grad school and the group tends to be more selected, I stopped seeing typical ABC’s. Most of those people are like you and me. They might spend most of their life in US (moving to US at the age of 6), but they see through the hypocrisy of US propaganda immediately. Even though econ phd is a disappointing field, there is still selection, filtering out the less intelligent. Of course, the same could not be said about phds from history, accounting…there, the filtering is even weaker.

    Though America’s aggressive falsification/distortion strategy might appear to give it a substantial advantage, it is difficult to sustain in the long term. I’m surprised to see that many smart people actually think America will collapse. Even on Weibo, I vaguely remember seeing someone write that maybe the current America elite will end up internationally like Chiang Kai-shek did in China.

    You’d like my blog. Plenty of China-related posts on there: https://gmachine1729.com/category/china/.

  233. @Erebus

    I pointed to China’s research prowess to counteract the popular notion that the Chinese cannot innovate–the same ‘rationale’ for assuming that China steals IP.

    The record does not support the allegation: there are zero serious cases of China stealing IP. Check the WTO hearings, the San Jose Federal Court records and the Beijing and Shanghai IP court records.

    As far as I know, there’s never even been a case filed that alleges such behavior. 99% of IP in China is either indigenous, licensed or open source. 1% is of doubtful provenance.

    If you have better stats, let me know.

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  234. @Godfree Roberts

    Lol, have you ever been called a wumao? Do you read Chinese? Where in China have you been? What is your motivation for writing what you are writing?

    By the way, last night, I saw that Shuping Yang commencement speech at University of Maryland. Its president is actually a Chinese-American. His family, which owned swathes of real estate in Shanghai, fled the country in 1949. That she was able to deliver such a silly speech had much to do with that university president.

    As far as IP is concerned, it’s fair to say that China got a lot more serious expertise/technology from Soviet Union/Russia than from the West. From what I’ve read, in the 50s, China for the most part got the designs for free and only had to pay for the production cost. As a technical person curious on this matter, I just purchased https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Experts-China-1948-1960-Chinese/dp/7509738474. And yes, based on what I’ve seen, Chinese historians/political scientists tend to selected and promoted much more based on knowledge/substance than on, cough, ideological position. There are also fewer spots for humanities majors in China, which means the ones there tend to be much better than in the US, though of course they’re still seen as inferior to the STEM majors. Interesting to note is that Shen Zhihua, the author of that book, was college age during the Cultural Revolution and though he excelled in math and science, he was unable enter the STEM track for silly political reasons. So he became an excellent historian instead.

    Freedom, democracy, rule of law, human rights, dictatorship, totalitarianism, etc… these are all vague, meaningless political buzzwords of the US mainstream media. The result of a nation and culture whose political elite consists largely of idiots/scumbags from humanities backgrounds. Of course, a minority of STEM folks buy into this bullshit too. This shit can only fool the dumb or delusional; it’s problematic when those types gain political power and create a system where they can get actual smart people to do work for them all the while conning more people into their political delusion.

    I mostly want more Chinese to realize this so that fewer fall prey to the nonsense in the American media. I like to say that the US-led West is being pretty fucking stupid right now, with all the SJWs and neocons, doesn’t even know to preserve its own civilization and heritage, and Chinese shouldn’t be similarly stupid. Those diehard liberal Chinese are basically mentally defective, the real Chinese and the Chinese government ought to do what they can to punish them; their mere existence is a tremendous liability for the group, and for the sanity of world civilization too.

  235. I get called a wumao every day.

    The infowar you refer to is heating up. China is about to enter the global media scene in a very big way. It now has full spectrum media studios in every capital city on earth and full cooperation with RT and is hiring out-of-work Western journalists in bulk: “Beijing to hire 300 journalists for CGTN’s new UK headquarters | News ..”.

    I’m guessing that by 七月1, 2021 the choir will have been rehearsed and China’s lavishly-funded, well-written journalism will start competing with the poorly funded, hastily-written Western narrative. And what a story they’ll have to tell.

    After showing that poverty was not ordered by Jesus, they can follow the leveling process from 2021-2035, and see that inequality was not ordained by God, either.

    No, I don’t read Chinese. I’m writing a book on contemporary China using only Western sources since they are the only credible ones, as we know. Its current title is From Lesser Peace to Greater Harmony: How China Confounds American Expectations And Why Everything We Know is Wrong

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    , @gmachine1729
  236. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I pointed to China’s research prowess to counteract the popular notion that the Chinese cannot innovate–the same ‘rationale’ for assuming that China steals IP.

    Do you even have any clue what the terms “innovation” or “IP” denote in an industrial/commercial product development context?

    Put another way, do you realize that “research” & “innovation” are radically different things, and that “IP” is something different again? On this subject, your whole argument is a mishmash of confused meanings and “stats” that misses the facts and issues of concern by a wide enough margin to indicate that “everything you know is wrong”. (I know. That wasn’t very innovative of me.)

    I suspect that’s because you are unfamiliar with design/engineering/innovation in the context of commercial product and brand development in China, or anywhere else. The situation is changing, and may eventually approach what you seem to vaguely imagine it to already be, but we’re a long way from there now. My guess is a generation or two, and that’s if the anti-innovation culture of the Chinese since Lao-Tzu can be constructively turned. The Chinese leadership seems to know has to be.

    Until then, stick to socio-political issues where internet research may serve interests better.

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    , @Anonymous
  237. DB Cooper 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The fundamental reason why the West gets China wrong most of the time is that China is culturally very different than the West. The thought process on many things are fundamentally different but Westerners try to make sense of China in Western terms instead of in Chinese terms. That is the reason why they almost get it wrong. I don’t think this is out of arrogrance but rather ignorance. They just don’t realize that there are people in this world that have a very different world view on many matters than theirs.

    Watching Westerners talk about China can at times be hilarious because they are so clueless yet they are totally serious of their nonsense.

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  238. @Erebus

    My conflation of research, innovation and implicit manufacturing and process expertise into the term ‘IP’ is in line with most media usage. They use it as a catchall and so do I.

    As to the ‘real’ situation, China’s steady move up the value chain is more in line with my claims than with the claims that Chinese are not innovating.

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    , @Erebus
  239. @DB Cooper

    Yes, I’ve been grappling with that challenge for the past two years, trying to help readers imagine, as Braudel so beautifully put it, “the impact on European civilization of a series of Imperial dynasties maintaining the self-same style and significance from Caesar Augustus until the First World War. Now imagine such a civilization existing on the other side of the planet unaware of Greek philosophy, the alphabet, Roman governance, Christianity, feudalism, the Renaissance, the Enlightenment or democracy, but with its own, unique cultural and institutional correlates that exceeded all of them in intellectual subtlety and material success”.

    It’s uphill work.

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  240. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Erebus

    My guess is a generation or two, and that’s if the anti-innovation culture of the Chinese since Lao-Tzu can be constructively turned.

    Haha! That’s quite a throwback. I’ve heard of this Konfutzu vs. Lao Tzu thing but it’s so far back in the mists of time I thought it was irrelevant.

  241. Anonymous[321]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    But yet they’re still so backwards! I was almost banging my head on the desk today trying to get technical information out of a Chinese sales girl. She couldn’t even understand where the uncertainty could arise, let alone understand the question itself, let alone give an answer. In my experience, so many of them think only in terms of words and rattle off answers like an Eliza but actually have never made any mental effort whatsoever to try and understand things for themselves.

    They need to move past this.

  242. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    My conflation of research, innovation and implicit manufacturing and process expertise into the term ‘IP’ is in line with most media usage. They use it as a catchall and so do I.

    Well, that explains it. They’ve made a hash of the topic, and you parroted it.

    If you wish to get a more nuanced view of the issues, and are new to the subject, you might start by reading through and following the links on this page for an overview:
    https://www.chinalawblog.com/china-ip/

    IOW, what shows up on the WTO’s or the Shanghai IP court’s docket is an unusually small tip of a very large iceberg and citing that as proof of anything serves only to expose a naivete not normally encountered in a published pundit. The big multinationals go to those courts when their boiler-plated, water-tight, written supply contracts get violated. The legal costs of such cases amount to a lifetime of profits for the 100s of 1000s of smaller clients of Chinese manufacturers that get their product copied, even entirely counterfeited and have neither the means nor access to the legal sophistication required to get anywhere near those tribunals.

  243. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    As to moving up the value chain…

    Moving from stuffed pillows, to stuffed toys, to stuffed sofas moves up the value chain, but doesn’t require innovation in any technical sense of the term. It’s just the normal evolution of manufacturing.
    Going from copying Nokias to copying iPhones/Samsungs isn’t innovation either.

    A telltale case is the Chinese automotive industry. Despite there being some 80 brands of Chinese cars, in the world’s most active market, with mega-money development budgets, the best of them can do no better than copy foreign brands (or each other). Those that want to do something different contract a foreign design house to do the design engineering for them.

    你还是不明白。

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  244. @Erebus

    JD Power says Chinese manufacturers’ initial quality drew even with the imports in 2017. The EV race will be more interesting as a result.

    As to deliverables, Chinese technology and deployment leads the world civil engineering, all fields of sustainable and renewable energy, manufacturing, supercomputing, speech recognition, graphenics, thorium power, pebble bed reactors, genomics, thermal power generation, quantum communication networks, ASW missiles, in-orbit satellite refueling, passive array radar, metamaterials, hyperspectral imaging, nanotechnology, UHV electricity transmission, HSR, radiotelescopy, hypersonic weapons, satellite quantum communications and quantum secure direct communications.

    And that’s just what our media, always reluctant to give credit where it’s due, have told us

  245. Erebus 说:

    JD Power says Chinese manufacturers’ initial quality drew even with the imports in 2017.

    What that has to do with the discussion at hand is beyond me.

    And that’s just what our media… have told us

    那么就这样解决了。

    我放弃。

  246. @Godfree Roberts

    The infowar you refer to is heating up. China is about to enter the global media scene in a very big way. It now has full spectrum media studios in every capital city on earth and full cooperation with RT and is hiring out-of-work Western journalists in bulk: “Beijing to hire 300 journalists for CGTN’s new UK headquarters | News ..”.

    Do you know anyone in that space? I’m relatively open minded and wouldn’t mind doing some writing. Feel free to PM me, my email is handle at Foxmail.com.

    I’m guessing that by July1, 2021 the choir will have been rehearsed and China’s lavishly-funded, well-written journalism will start competing with the poorly funded, hastily-written Western narrative. And what a story they’ll have to tell.

    Haha, you’re overly optimistic. Though surely, the more powerful China becomes the more the West will need to accept the red pill. I do think that China has an extremely strong historical narrative. They overcame enormous odds in quite a spectacular way. Especially during the Mao era. Mao really was a maverick who dared push social boundaries to the extreme, and he sure succeeded in doing so. Again, whether or not the West, deeply clouded by its own ideological bias, will accept this is another matter.

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  247. @gmachine1729

    I no longer have contacts in the media, but I imagine you can find a contact online for The Voice of China (don’t you love that?). I visualize something like the old BBC in its international heyday–times ten.

    I’ve been sampling some current Chinese journalism in English and it’s very good. Great graphics, sharp writing, more frank about Chinese problems that we are about ours. Don’t know what their foreign coverage is like but it will surely embody non-interference, so be more neutral than our foreign coverage, which tends to be agenda-laden.

    Their historical narrative gets more awesome the deeper you dive. In 2021 China will reach a goal set by Confucius. Not vaguely, or ‘inspired by’ the Master, but specified in detail. Then they’ll start on his next goal for them: creating a society so decent that nobody locks their outer doors at night (his words).

  248. @jilles dykstra

    我比任何西欧人都更信任印度人,这是肯定的,白人说好话的唯一原因是因为你想与我们混合并且需要我们的基因,就像欧洲人所做的所有白人对中国人所说的好话一样持保留态度,现在你们已经意识到很难得到日本和韩国女性,你们的目标是天真的中国女性,我对你们表示支持,我希望更多的中国人意识到这一点。

  249. Patricus 说:

    Who created that survey of hunger in America? I am in my 60s and have visited almost ever state. Never witnessed a hint of hunger or famine but see lots of obesity. It is really hard to believe large percentages lack the money to eat. Maybe lobster and caviar are not in the budget but starvation in America???

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