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“作为一名战略分析师,我也绝对肯定,9/11 事件本身就是一场经典的摩萨德精心策划的行动。 但摩萨德并不是一个人做的。”

许多年前,我读过一篇关于“错误策略”的精彩讨论。 这本质上需要利用目标的偏见和先入之见来误导他们关于攻击的来源和意图,将他们困在一种战术情况中,后来对攻击者的战略有利。

这就是 9/11 袭击事件中所展现的,导致我们进入战争和冲突矩阵,现在(阿富汗和伊拉克)、计划中(伊朗和叙利亚)和预计(约旦和埃及),这对以色列和其他任何国家都没有好处——尽管我承认许多私人承包商和政治家在他人的死亡和苦难中为自己做得很好。

作为一名战略分析师,我也绝对肯定 9/11 本身就是一个经典 摩萨德- 精心策划的操作。 但 摩萨德 不是一个人做的。 他们需要美国境内(或许其他地方)的当地帮助,他们得到了帮助,主要来自 PNAC(被错误命名的新美国世纪项目)及其在美国政府 (USG) 内外的附属机构,他们在 9 /11 袭击获得了他们所需要的“催化事件”,并渴望在上任仅八个月后让美国代表以色列发动战争。

欺骗的起源

当然,一开始并不是这样。 美国官方账户和主流媒体 (MSM) 报道中迅速浮现出涉嫌劫机者的姓名和关联名单,指向奥萨马·本·拉登和他的基地组织,当时主要在阿富汗。 本拉登否认责任,实际上是说虽然他感谢真主说袭击发生了,但他没有这样做,但美国要求统治阿富汗的塔利班将他交给美国。

塔利班的回应是合理的:“向我们展示他所做的证据,我们会把他交给你。” 但美国不予理会并发动了攻击。 为什么? 因为它没有令人信服的证据,而且永远不会——即使在他 2011 年公开死亡的前夕,联邦调查局也没有将 9/11 包括在他基于互联网的“头号通缉犯”收费表中。

随着阿富汗战争由于非常可疑的原因扩展为伊拉克战争,因为更似是而非的原因,美国政府对 9/11 事件的基本观点已植根于公众精神中。 9/11 委员会报告尽管在编写时受到阻碍,后来发现存在严重缺陷,但仍然作为攻击的基本参考工作出现。

细节可能受到了影响,但普遍的观点是,19 名阿拉伯劫机者驾驶四架飞机进入了三座建筑物和一个坠机地点,事情就这样结束了。 这是布什政府在 2001 年采取的立场,并在十年后得到奥巴马政府的重申。 各行各业的政治家、大多数专家和主要是新教牧师和福音传教士的筏子都加入了他们的支持。

无论是我还是大多数美国人,当时或以后都没有任何特别的理由怀疑这些说法的真实性。 尽管如此,在回应当地记者提供背景信息的请求时,我强烈怀疑美国官方对悲剧的描述在事件发生仅几周后就出现了问题。 太多没有任何意义:事后警告本应没有警告,被指控的劫机者的离奇不当行为与使命和他们的信仰背道而驰,所需的技能远远超过了被指名的劫机者自己可能拥有的任何技能为使命而拥有,尤其是除了他们所谓的受害者之外,任何人都完全不承认他们所做的事情——这对于 9/11 事件发生的那种行为来说是没有先例的。 这些和类似的不连续性加强了我的怀疑,即整个练习中的某些东西已经腐烂到核心。

可能比个人沉思更重要的是异议的逐渐出现,最终在所谓的“9/11 真相”运动中具体化,该运动迅速扩散到数十个主要和许多次要组织和网站来剖析攻击,委员会报告说,各种民选和任命官员的动机和议程,以及正统观点的替代方案。

但是“9/11 真相者”一直在做他们版本的毛派“百花”运动,对许多不同问题的许多不同方面进行了如此多的不同评估,以至于核心信息已经丢失。 也不是太重要的问题 有证据表明美国政府在 9/11 上的立场无效,但也是如此 许多 允许清楚地关注所发生的事情(这么多树,没有人能真正看到森林)。

请注意,并不是所呈现的内容无关紧要,甚至不一定是错误的,尽管一些非常奇怪的论文与大量深思熟虑和平衡的工作一起被抛出。 在任何情况下,很大一部分人也拒绝关闭——尤其是当以色列以任何方式进入等式时——因此使修辞锅沸腾无果,不止一些原因无法承受对其隶属关系和动机的仔细审查。

批评 9/11 批评

对美国在 9/11 上的官方立场进行批评和质疑的努力,但并非全部,真正的困难在于,“9/11 真相”的支持者一直无法将他们的担忧——更不用说任何结论——传达给美国公众以任何重要的方式。 如此多的讨论对于运动中的某些人来说只是部分理解,而美国公众在很大程度上并不了解,而对于那些意识到这一点的人来说,其所有方面都如此复杂,以至于他们未能跟进这些论点。 就好像 9/11 官方立场的批评者一直试图在他们得到起诉之前在法庭上审理此案——这相当于将辩论车放在需要重新思考问题的公众面前,从而创造了各种证据性的戈尔迪安结。

这个类比长期以来一直让我印象深刻,它是重新思考我们对 9/11 争议的处理方式的适当方式。 并不是说这个问题不复杂——它在很多方面都很复杂,而且在某个时候必须解决这种复杂性, 但没必要一开始就让公众对它的复杂性感到困惑.

请记住,至少在美国,可以发布起诉书的大陪审团的证据和投票要求与实际审理案件的小陪审团有很大不同。 后者需要有罪证明; 但前者只需要足够的迹象表明可能已经实施了特定的犯罪,并且被告可能已经这样做了。 这就是我们需要去的地方,我将在那里提出这个论点:以一种对一个相当聪明的人来说是可以理解和可信的方式专注于起诉所必需的那些要素,而不需要他们具备(例如)土木工程师或飞行员。

剥离分层细节

美国政府在 9/11 上的官方立场存在很多缺陷,有时很难知道从哪里开始。 例如,护照奇迹般地存活下来,用于识别其中一名劫机者,该护照以某种方式通过飞机的撞击、爆炸、火灾和 800 多英尺的自由落体被一名穿着考究的男子发现并在双子塔底部送给纽约市警探是一个杰出的人物。

命名飞行员的超级明星般的能力从单引擎螺旋桨驱动的轻型飞机的控制转到客机的驾驶舱,除了在关闭自动驾驶仪后的一分钟内将其放入地面之外,还可以做任何事情,这是另一个——谁能想到微软飞行模拟器程序如此高级?

对 NORAD(北美防空司令部)多次未能在四架飞机偏离航线后几分钟内让所有战斗机上的解释个别可疑且集体荒谬——只有在好莱坞他们才会有任何可信度,也许是因为那就是他们的起源地。

关于这些问题和许多其他问题及其影响的辩论是广泛的,有时是激烈的,即使不是特别有效。 什么是 不能 然而,值得商榷的是,WTC-7——当天倒塌的第三座塔,也是唯一一座没有被飞机击中的塔——绝对是被受控拆除摧毁的,因为任何不试图保护袭击者的人都知道其倒塌的实时视频。

也就是说,WTC-7 在几秒钟内直接进入它自己的足迹,没有任何可见的灾难性 外部 外伤, 这意味着只有一些灾难性的内部创伤才能让它倒下. 如果它已被连接用于受控拆除,那么其他倒塌的塔楼(WTC-1 和 WTC-2)也是如此。 这给飞机撞击带来了可怕的装饰作用,其目的是明确隐藏建筑物倒塌的真正原因,同时让公众震惊到类似于麻木的感觉。

长期以来,美国政府在 7/9 事件的立场的批评者都知道 WTC-11 的情况。 似乎并没有得到充分重视的,至少一开始(现在有所改变),是它不仅仅是“一个”问题,而是 练习 一个问题,可以简单地直接向美国公众使用,并有效地诋毁美国政府的案件,从而抹黑美国政府的理由,从而导致如此多的谬论和不当行为:不仅是不必要的外国战争(阿富汗是使美国在该地区参战,并为以后的战争奠定基础),但是根据错误的“爱国者法案”严重侵犯了美国的公民自由,令人难以置信地广泛接受酷刑(包括公开命名为“巴勒斯坦绞刑”的技术) ,”这肯定不是起源于波士顿,并说明了以色列的习惯),以及在各个国家建立已知和秘密的监狱和拘留中心。

除了WTC-7的实际控制拆除,并补充了建筑物被其他方式拆除或不影响飞机的论点,是广泛广泛的视听证据 在 9/11 双子塔仍然站立时 从什么变成了“零地”。 这些证据包括 WTC-1 和 WTC-2 地面二次爆炸的实时剪辑(你可以听到爆炸声,看到烟雾和碎片滚滚而出)、关于这些爆炸的许多网络以及内部和内部的奇怪货车的报告。在二次爆炸之前这些建筑物周围,来自 EMT(紧急医疗技术人员)的报告以及这些建筑物大厅内和周围的人的报告 不能 紧急个人和 不能 逃离灾难——所有这些都是在 9/11 发生的,并且在同一天发生了广泛的报道。

第三个要素,建立在上述基础上并增加其自身的维度,是拥有许多(主要是白色)货车的存在 - 就可以确定而言,考虑到有关它们和拥有它们的人的信息的程度从公共记录中消失——被新泽西州的一家以色列公司(或者更确切地说是一家以色列人拥有的公司)。 其中一些货车定期在世界贸易中心附近行驶。 但是有两个很突出,需要更详细地检查它们的重要性才能被理解。

首先,新泽西州卑尔根的居民看到一辆白色面包车上有五个人在拍摄袭击事件并明显庆祝。 他们在第一架飞机撞上之前就设置好了相机。 警方逮捕了他们。 所有人都是以色列人(现在被称为“跳舞的以色列人”)。 炸弹嗅探犬的反应就像发现了爆炸物一样,尽管警察一无所获。 联邦调查局扣押了面包车进行进一步测试。 在以色列和美国犹太领导人(其中一些是美国政府的领导人)的怂恿下,所有五人后来都被释放。 细节仍然保密。 这起事件很快就从主流媒体上消失了 “纽约时报” 袭击发生三天后,没有采取后续行动。

第二辆面包车停在通往乔治华盛顿大桥的道路上。 正如哥伦比亚广播公司的丹拉瑟在他的现场报道中所说:“在乔治华盛顿大桥附近发现一卡车爆炸物后,两名嫌疑人已被联邦调查局拘留。 这座桥跨越哈德逊河将纽约与新泽西连接起来。 这些爆炸物的发现是否与今天的其他事件有任何关系尚不清楚,但联邦调查局手头有两名嫌疑人,称这辆卡车的炸药,卡车内的炸药足以对乔治华盛顿大桥造成巨大破坏......“那些嫌疑人——也是以色列人——然后这起事件似乎已经从 9/11 的公共记录和主流媒体“调查”中消失了,就像对第一辆面包车的讨论一样,WTC-1 和 WTC 内地面的二次爆炸-2,并急剧坍塌到自己的 WTC-7 足迹。

这些因素和许多其他因素的综合影响既令人不寒而栗又令人信服。 想想看:在地面发生二次爆炸,那里不应该有二次爆炸。 47 层的世贸中心 7 号楼在几秒钟内灾难性地倒塌,没有任何重大的外部创伤,按理说,这里不应该发生倒塌。 带有目标地图、爆炸物或痕迹的货车、预先定位的用于拍摄世贸中心的摄像机, 尤其是那些开着面包车的以色列人,当时在那些地方不应该有以色列人在场。

这些问题中的任何一个都应该足以激发对美国政府对 9/11 的官方解释的重新审视,尤其是基地组织在其中的实际或假定作用。 只有货车远离基地组织,除非有人认为基地组织是以色列的前线,或者 摩萨德 至少与基地组织所做的任何事情相比,它进行了平行的、更凶残的行动。 令人着迷的是它对公众对 9/11 事件细节的认识几乎没有影响,更不用说基于它的美国官方政策了。 任何官方或主流媒体对 9/11 不符合官方解释的讨论都披上了“沉默的外衣”,从而避免了公众的这种不和谐。

9/11 沉默的斗篷

“沉默的外衣”包含三个要素,旨在向公众揭露美国官方在 9/11 事件中立场的错误。 一个是在行政部门内。 另一个是在国会内部。 第三是主流媒体(MSM)。

第一个并不奇怪,因为它的许多关键成员(尤其是所谓的“新保守派”)都是“19 个位面的 4 个阿拉伯人”论文的作者,其 事实上的 9/11 委员会专业人员的辩护者。 事实上,他们中的许多人在维护官方职位的有效性方面有着既得的个人和职业利益。

一个令人惊讶的数字出现在强烈支持以色列的新美国世纪计划 (PNAC) 上,当时它发表了一份报告,声称需要一些类似于珍珠港的“催化事件”来推动美国朝着他们希望的方向发展。这将对以色列有巨大的好处)。 9/11 袭击给了他们催化事件,他们显然利用了这个机会。 许多人是犹太人,通常具有美国和以色列双重国籍,并且对以色列有控制性的承诺。 都是以色列游击队员。 不难理解,一个被反阿拉伯和反穆斯林的愤怒所吞噬的美国将不可避免地、无情地做出直接或间接使以色列受益的事情——当然,这正是过去十年发生的事情.

明显更令人惊讶的是国会接受了官方解释,或者说缺乏对它和 9/11 事件的深入调查,至少民主党是这样。 但实际上,这并不奇怪。 不仅仅是政府官员在这个问题上基本上是“同声异色”,或者参议院的共和党人至少可以阻止民主党人举行听证会,至少在开始时是这样。 虽然许多人(尤其是民主党人)后来开始质疑伊拉克战争,有些人则对阿富汗战争提出质疑,但仍然没有明显的立法努力来深入研究 9/11 的细节——尤其是众多的矛盾,官方解释中的不一致和令人难以置信的方面。 这是 AIPAC(美国 - 以色列公共事务委员会)在这里进行大量游说努力的可预见结果,“鼓励”双方的参议员和代表在这件事上做他们最擅长的事情——什么都不做——并惩罚少数犹豫不决的人通过边缘化他们在任期间的努力,并成功地为他们后来的选举失败而努力。

这两个分支重叠,以及有时被忽视的犹太复国主义控制美国政府的一个关键因素,是它们对政治任命和确认过程的支配。 白宫人事办公室至少自 1980 年以来一直由他们主导,也许之前,从而降低了对以色列不友好或不支持其“方式和手段”的人首先被提名的可能性。

几十年来,美国主要有组织的犹太团体对提名人进行审查,然后再前往美国参议院进行确认听证会,这也是这一过程的固定内容,因为 哈阿雷斯 (一家以色列报纸)和其他许多人指出,如果上述犹太团体认为他们不合适,就会迫使其他优秀的被提名人退出。 AIPAC 在美国参议院的影响力在这方面至关重要:任何 AIPAC 想要确认的人都将得到确认,任何设法达到这一点的人都将得到确认。 不能 被 AIPAC 接受是没有机会的。

这就是为什么在共和党和民主党的领导下,总统和副总统内部和周围的工作人员、国家安全委员会、国务院和国防部(以及其他机构)的工作方式都是如此。 许多是犹太人和积极的犹太复国主义者,通常拥有美国和以色列双重国籍(并不是说没有以色列护照对其他人来说很重要)。 有些是基督教犹太复国主义者,他们不需要说服就采取他们所做的亲以色列的立场——想到像米歇尔·巴赫曼或迈克·赫卡比这样的总统会提供什么样的工作人员和任命,我只能不寒而栗。 其他人则是共产党人过去所说的“有用的白痴”,通常是像康多莉萨·赖斯或约翰·博尔顿这样的聪明人,他们为了自己的职业生涯做出了自己的浮士德式交易。 我们其他人都忍受着所有这些的后果,尤其是 9/11 和随后的战争。

但最令人着迷的是犹太复国主义者拥有的主流媒体 (MSM) 在允许美国政府对 9/11 的官方观点几乎不受挑战方面的作用,并且最有效地让任何可能的关于 9/ 的公开辩论。 11 大部分地区处于休耕状态。 这与其整个后越南(尤其是后五角大楼文件/后水门事件)的精神背道而驰,后者将调查性新闻置于基础之上,并迷恋调查和揭露企业和政府的不当行为,无论是为了利润还是为了利益。专业进步。

请记住,至少自越南战争期间所谓的“五角大楼文件”出版以来,MSM 的正常本能是调查和揭露, 除非 揭露以色列的不当行为或对以色列产生负面影响,在这种情况下,其实际上的原始本能是隐瞒和保护。

在 9/11 事件中,没有证据表明 MSM 的正常审讯冲动。 这是因为 MSM 在很大程度上忽略或压制了对 9/11 的批判性调查—— 如果其主要是犹太复国主义的所有权不知道、怀疑或担心暴露的证据线索会全部或部分直接或间接导致以色列,则不会这样做. 事实上,如果证据线索似乎指向(例如)伊朗而不是以色列,或者如果它的出处甚至适度不确定,MSM 早就会大肆粉碎 USG 案件,“9/11 真相”运动将发现其观点出现在主要报纸的头版并在有利的电视/广播节目中突出显示。

当人们检查 MSM 应对 9/11 的方法时,这并没有很快发生就变得很清楚了。 它的作用有三个: (a) 虚假信息——确认或至少不公开质疑 USG 案件; (b) 分心——转移注意力 远离 来自以色列和 PNAC/neo-cons; (c) 怀疑——无视或嘲笑那些质疑美国官方案件的人。 人们选择隐瞒的事情充分说明了情况的动态,而 MSM 行为的最终结果是在不应该存在的地方制造了一种不相信和怀疑的气氛。

这个过程几乎立即开始。 9/11 事件发生了关于袭击细节的戏剧性和揭示性的实时报道,其中包括许多与被劫持的客机没有直接关系的报道。 在接下来的几天里,该地区的一些地方报纸和电台仍在报道不和谐的事件(例如,载着“跳舞的以色列人”的面包车)。 但是在一周之内,大多数不和谐都消失了或归入了内页及其电子版本,特别是与 WTC-7 相关的任何内容,其倒塌成为非事件,或者以色列人出现在货车和其他地方,作为美国政府的宣传机器——在大多数 MSM 的积极帮助下——首先进入高位对抗基地组织,然后支持入侵阿富汗。

通往 9/11 的道路

一旦将 9/11 袭击作为秘密行动中的经典演习进行检查,它们的来源就会变得更加清晰。 一般来说,评估所有秘密情报行动的起源和成功前景需要三个条件:(a) 动机,(b) 专业知识,和 (c) 当地支持接近目标和攻击后的躲避和逃跑。

我们先来看看 动机. 这是对美国离其战略要求和自己的原则有多远的苦涩评论,以至于世界各地的许多运动和政府不仅不喜欢和不信任美国,而且以一种比我更关心的热情和更好的理由憎恨它想一下。 我最近听到一位耶稣会牧师的评论,大意是“每次我听到以色列是美国在中东唯一的朋友时,我都记得在以色列之前,美国在中东没有敌人”——这一点非常值得记住。

但有趣的是,各种运动和政府可能有实际或感知的理由对美国造成伤害,除了一个 这样做的动机:惩罚美国的一些实际或假设的失败或不当行为。 唯一的例外是以色列。 它根本没有负面激励(我排除一些真正的边缘狂热分子),仅仅是因为如果没有美国的援助和外交支持,它会发现自己陷入比种族隔离时代的南非更糟糕的困境,并且有更好的理由。 但它是一个具有 积极 动机,如果它认为它可以逃脱它,那就是激怒美国公众反对穆斯林,特别是阿拉伯人,并使美国成为该地区的积极交战国——为以色列的利益花费美国人的生命和财富.

经验/专业技能 是不同的,更加分散。 世界上有许多情报和特种作战部队,他们拥有为大型城市结构布线以进行受控拆除的专业知识。 许多国家有许多战斗工兵部队可以做同样的事情。 并且有许多私人公司也专门从事这些工作。 然而,无论是基地组织这个组织,还是它的任何已知附属机构——更不用说这四个层面上的 19 名阿拉伯人——都没有这种专业知识,或者任何与它相距甚远的专业知识。 如果他们这样做,巴格达的绿区就会变成一堆瓦砾.

但它是 本地支持 这是关键的决定因素。 所有精心设计的秘密行动都需要一定程度的当地官方或非官方支持,除非目标地区敌对如此不可救药,以至于无法使用。 任何以世贸中心为目标的国内外情报机构都绝对需要它,并且 摩萨德 将比其他任何人都更能获得这种对进入、访问、执行和逃逸的支持。

考虑到监督世贸中心的安保公司,这一点尤其正确。 中央情报局和/或国防部人员(不同于中央情报局或国防部作为组织)可以访问,但前提是得到以色列的认可——一个人不会随便砍开墙壁、植入炸药、铺设电缆和用最先进的电子监控和 24/7 现场安全将建筑物中的所有东西连接在一起。

摩萨德 鉴于 WTC 的所有权和监督其安全性的公司管理层,将不需要这些细节。 请记住,我们在任何情况下都不是在谈论大量人员:给定时间来准备三座建筑物并防止被发现,只要十几个就足够了,这个数字小到可以在大型组织中有效地不被注意。

回顾与展望

因此,让我们概括一下该分析的基本结论。 首先,美国政府在 9/11 上的核心官方立场是,它的任何和所有方面都直接归因于 19 架飞机上的 4 名阿拉伯人,他们在进行由奥萨马·本·拉登的基地组织策划和执行的恐怖行动。 这个职位充其量是不完整的,最糟糕的是由直接或间接对 9/11 事件和之后的战争负责的人设计的完整制造。

其次,基地组织和许多不同的国家和团体都有消极的理由,无论是真实的还是人为的,想要伤害美国。 但只有以色列及其在美国的新保守派有这样做的积极动机,即激怒美国人并使美国成为反对穆斯林国家的积极交战者,从而巩固其与以色列和以色列利益的联系。

第三,毫无疑问,满载的民用客机,尤其是接近满载的燃油,撞击双子塔(WTC-1和WTC-2)会对这些建筑物造成很大的破坏,并可能在一系列特殊情况下促成一连串的事件导致他们崩溃。 但是,那些撞击离地面 800-1000 英尺的客机绝对不可能在这些地面建筑物中产生可见和可听的二次爆炸,也不会导致第三座建筑物(WTC-7)倒塌。任何飞机都没有受到双子塔产生的碎片造成的大规模外部创伤。

第四,基地组织——或许还有其他组织——理论上有能力同时进行四架飞机劫持,或许可以将飞机飞往古巴(四架 9/11 飞机应该能够单向劫持)在他们的运营日开始时飞行到那里没有困难,这取决于他们的实际负载),这本身就很壮观。 但无论是基地组织还是他们的任何附属组织都没有必要的专业知识和当地支持,让他们能够进入世界贸易中心的任何建筑物,切开墙壁并用电线将它们连接起来进行受控拆除,然后逃离和之后躲开。

第五也是最后,除了具有独特的积极动机进行 9/11 攻击之外, 只有以色列拥有必要的专业知识和当地支持,以受控拆除方式摧毁三座世界贸易中心大楼,以及美国政府内部和周围的影响力,让他们的特工躲避侦查,如果意外被捕,可以毫不掩饰地获释,以及掩盖他们的行为不受公众监督—— 所有这些都发生在 9/11 和之后.

人们经常询问一些新的证据或证据,将 9/11 全部或部分与以色列联系起来。 现在我明白了 决不要 成为某些人禁止其中一名以色列策划者或他们的美国支持者公开供认的绝对证据,而且我怀疑我们永远无法获得——尽管后来在以色列卑尔根被捕的三名以色列人发表了一些声明,新泽西州拍摄燃烧的双子塔非常接近:有人明确表示“我们的目的是记录事件”,毫无疑问,他们在袭击发生之前就知道,无论他们自己是否有任何进一步的作用在他们之中。

但是,如果其他证据足够令人信服,则不必有这样的供词,就像要在刑事法庭上对一个人定罪而定罪一样,这种供词是不必要的。 这里有堆积如山的物理、技术、分析和间接证据,远比任何无偏见的人需要理解的要远远超出任何合理怀疑,即 (1) USG 案件存在致命缺陷,以及 (2) 这是一个 摩萨德- 由以色列政府最高层(因为目标)在美国本土支持下精心策划的行动 美国政府本身的要素。

鉴于犹太复国主义在美国政府及其情报和安全机构(当然包括国防部)中的普遍影响,有两种可能的情况。 一个是新保守派和他们的同伙坐在驾驶座上,而以色列坐在乘客座上,拿着地图和行李。 第二个看到以色列与新保守派和其他处理地图和行李的人一起开车。 但在往返 9/11 的路上,他们都在同一辆车上。 两者都嵌入在灾难的计划和执行、它引发的战争以及它的设计者现在希望我们以以色列的名义发动的战争的各个方面,无论重点放在何处,都将叛国和背叛联系在一起。

解开这个问题有待未来的调查、审讯和审判,然后根据所有参与者的犯罪程度进行适当的惩罚。 以实际可行的方式让美国公众和国外其他人了解这些事件是本系列最后一篇文章的主题: 反击犹太复国主义:去告诉人民.

 

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  1. 最好知道作者是否学到了任何新的和重要的东西。 我在 Guns and Butter 上听了他一个小时,他很有趣,很清醒,而且听起来很诚实。 他会如何看待我想象的摩萨德渗透基地组织并操纵圣战分子的情景? 为什么他显然认为世贸中心塔不会倒塌,因为火削弱了钢材,然后上面地板的重量导致下面的煎饼失效? 他如何解释第二座建筑物以如此快的速度被击落? 表面上的解释是,弱化地板上方的重量要大得多,不是吗?

  2. dms578 说:

    真的吗 ? 为什么你们这些混蛋似乎从来没有问过回应者? 7 号楼倒塌,因为它是纽约警察局用来存放可能会爆炸的违禁品的仓库。 那里的所有男人都知道这并不神秘。 现场没有发现任何可以归类为埋设炸药的物品。 什么是摩萨德行动,以地狱的名义,这个白痴是否想象他们可以或本来可以招募志愿者来做这件事。 耶稣

  3. @dms578

    是什么引爆了违禁炸药? 此外,很容易让以色列人同意摩萨德这样的行动。 整个悲剧的影响使美国武装部队成为一支庞大的代理部队,为他们打以色列战争。 质疑事物对你来说是好事,总是质疑事物,但这是一个被很多人视为不加总的事件。

    • 回复: @dms578
    , @Ed Case
  4. Biff 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    表面上的解释是,弱化地板上方的重量要大得多,不是吗?

    你不是工程师或建筑师。 楼层是 不能 支撑柱。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  5. Ray Caruso 说:

    9/11 之前是几个塔木德大谎言。 我们现在已经转向“气候变化”、“警察暴行”、“所有孩子都是变性人”,当然还有“新冠肺炎”。 不言而喻,他们的第一个大谎言是什么。 这对他们来说是如此令人愉快,以至于他们已经上瘾了。

    顺便说一下,他们也可能是冰冻肯尼迪的人。 他们有真正的动机:他不会给他们核武器。 对戈伊姆的暗杀过去是,现在也是所有国家之光的标准程序。 糟糕的打击工作继续给他们核武器。

  6. Mephisto 说:

    The Jew power is truly awe inspiring. There is only one thing that can break it: hunger. If the masses is hungry enough, it will break that power. Until then cower.

    • 同意: JimDandy
    • 回复: @Irish Savant
  7. Ray Caruso 说:
    @dms578

    精彩的帖子! 它是如此辉煌,以至于必须将其分解成多个部分,以免光彩蒙蔽了我们其他人。

    真的吗 ? 为什么你们这些混蛋似乎从来没有问过回应者?

    文章链接到现场急救人员的证词。 但我知道你的意思:我们应该只听取“正确”回应者的意见。

    7 号楼倒塌,因为它是纽约警察局用来存放可能会爆炸的违禁品的仓库。 那里的所有男人都知道这并不神秘。

    每个人都知道纽约警察局在那栋大楼里储存了大量的 Semtex 和凝固汽油弹。 当然,那些东西会让它倒下来,就好像它是受控拆除一样。 发生的事情一点都不神秘!

    现场没有发现任何可以归类为埋设炸药的物品。

    确切地! 所有专家都知道炸药在引爆后仍留在原地。 只有反犹太阴谋论者认为他们在爆炸中被消耗殆尽,只剩下零星的痕迹。

    什么是摩萨德行动,以地狱的名义,这个白痴是否想象他们可以或本来可以招募志愿者来做这件事。 J

    我也被这些话弄糊涂了! 什么是“摩萨德”? 什么是“操作”? 让犹太人作为志愿者参加一些有益于他们并伤害 goyim 的事情? 为什么,这在整个世界历史上从未发生过! 这种想法是荒谬的!

    • 同意: Curmudgeon
    • 哈哈: JM, St-Germain, g8way, El Dato
  8. Alfred 说:
    @dms578

    7 号楼倒塌,因为它是纽约警察局用来存放可能会爆炸的违禁品的仓库。

    是的。 就像贝鲁特港一样,他们在7号楼储存肥料。

    你看到下图中地上的那个大洞了吗? 这应该教你不要在车库里存放“肥料”太久。 你没有看到所有关于车库爆炸的报道吗?

    说真的,在纽约,两座较大的建筑被现代战术核武器炸毁了——贝鲁特港也是如此。

    要正确查看这张照片中孔的大小,请右键单击它并观看全尺寸版本。 通过查看汽车和集装箱等物体,您将了解尺寸。

    • 同意: bike-anarkist, Iris, R.C.
    • 哈哈: Sean
  9. The reports of secondary explosions occurring ay ground level around the towers are interesting, but contradict the main conspiracy scenarios of controlled demolition. It can’t be ruled out that even Al Qaeda might have been able to plant a few bombs in the basements of some of the towers before the attack. Maybe there were some bombs planted there, or maybe the causes of these explosions have nothing to do with bombs and possibly in some cases are even unrelated to the terror strike itself. There’s obviously no way of retroactively investigating the stories of basement explosions after the whole buildings collapsed.

    But none of the controlled demolition scenarios have ever made a case about the collapses starting from the basements. The usual claim is that bombs were planted in order to rig up something which looks like a top-down collapse. How would the aim of achieving a controlled demolition be aided by setting off some bombs in the basement which go off during the course of an hour before the real demolition operation starts? If Mossad agents had been sent by Netanyahu to meet with Silverstein and rig up the building for collapse then one shouldn’t expect something so haphazard. Apparently the lower stories of these towers remained standing even after being buried in debris from the upper layers of the buildings. So what benefit was there to the conspirators to set off these basement explosions?

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Rufus Clyde
  10. JWalters 说:

    An excellent article by Dr. Sabrosky. Regarding the question about “chain of command”, let’s consider the rule “follow the money”. Who can afford such an operation?

    Empires are directed by top-level financiers, according to the classic study of Empires by John Hobson. The financial few plunder the resources of foreign countries by controlling their home governments and deploying their home militaries to those foreign countries. The British East India company is a classic example of this. They also buy up the key press outlets to control public opinion and the politicians (along with campaign bribery).

    The eventual financial center of the British East India Company was the Rothschild bank. It went on to take control of Wall Street and American banking through the JP Morgan Bank, and then the Federal Reserve Bank. It also financed the Zionist invasion of Palestine. This fit both its war profiteering history, and its possible messianic goals. There is clear evidence is that it is a coordinating center for much of the corruption in the US and UK, as well as the other Western, corrupted “democracies”. A sketch of its history is in
    “战争奸商和以色列银行”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
    , @annamaria
  11. Sarah 说:

    正式论文:煎饼; 地板相互倒塌。
    我当时想象了一个这样的建筑:

    但是地板并不是简单地叠在一起:有一个中央核心: https://media.hswstatic.com/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5jb20iLCJrZXkiOiJnaWZcL3d0Yy10dWJlLmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MjkwfSwidG9Gb3JtYXQiOiJhdmlmIn19
    第一个世贸中心开始倒塌。
    上部保持笔直; “锤子效应”?

    面对现实吧…

    À 3:24 百万: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EEogeIIOJzU
    让我们面对现实吧……“锤子效应”和“煎饼”。

    第二塔: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sRV2WU0JV5c
    我没有找到上半部分斜着进入虚空而下半部分仍然站立的图片:谁能向我解释为什么这个下半部分会倒塌?

    9/11 北塔倒塌: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nIZp6aOibiM
    地板已经倒塌,但中央核心仍然站立……它并没有保持站立; 为什么?
    No ” pankakes ” here !

    • 回复: @Iris
  12. @Wizard of Oz

    绿野仙踪写道:

    为什么他显然认为世贸中心塔不会倒塌,因为火削弱了钢材,然后上面地板的重量导致下面的煎饼失效?

    Sabrosky doesn’t believe the ‘pancaking failure’ (official U.S government/NIST explanation), because only a fool (or someone that isn’t familiar with the most basic high school physics), would believe that.

    Jet fuel is kerosene. It’s not exactly the same kerosene you get from your local hardware store (it’s a highly refined grade with a higher octane rating), but it burns at the same temperature.
    这个温度比钢的熔点低一千度(或更多)。

    Whether you have a few litres or tens of 1000’s of litres of jet fuel (as a fully laden commercial airliner would possess in its tanks), makes no difference – it still burns at the same temperature.

    In other words, as opposed to burning for an hour or so before the South Tower collapsed, and (approx) 30 – 45 mins longer in the case of the Nth Tower, said kerosene fire could have burned for WEEKS and it would NOT have weakened the structural integrity of the towers.

    A lot of people witnessing the pyrotechnics will think to themselves that there’s no way the initial impact of the planes would not have caused significant structural damage to the towers.

    但他们大错特错。

    这些塔的设计可承受来自宽体喷气式飞机的多重冲击:

    Now, even though the ‘pancaking after jet fuel fires weakened the steel structure’ explanation is ridiculous, let’s just run with it for a moment and assume that a combustible jet fuel existed that burned hot enough to melt steel.

    如果是这样,它只会影响飞机撞击附近的钢结构构件,然后导致局部坍塌。

    然而,在所述飞机撞击下方的地板上,没有喷气燃料削弱任何结构部件,它们的承载能力不会降低。

    不懂科学的人会反驳说:

    ‘Oh, but you have to bear in mind that the multiple floors above the impact came crashing down as one big block and precipitated the pancake collapse.

    再一次,没有机会发生这种情况。

    The building was designed in such a way, as all modern buildings* are (*ie: built in the last 100 years or so), to incorporate a ‘Redundancy Factor of Safety’.

    In other words, let’s take the plane impact into the Sth Tower as an example, where the strike zone was around the 80-85th floor.

    第 85 层的钢结构构件的设计不仅可以承受其上方 25 层(每栋建筑为 110 层)的重量,还可以承受 4 或 5 倍的预期可能负载。

    In other words, they were over-engineered – to incorporate a SAFETY FACTOR.

    这意味着它们可以承受比正常情况下预期的要多得多的负载。

    So, even if the upper 25 floors came crashing down onto the 85th floor as one giant monolithic block (they didn’t – they were blown up), this would have NO EFFECT on the floors below.

    我会更进一步。

    Not only would the floors below the impact zone be unaffected but, absent any other external input, the entirety of the building below the point of impact would’ve stood for centuries before collapsing of their own accord due to accumulated weather events, erosion and corrosion.

    • 同意: Alfred, Biff
  13. skrik 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    很高兴知道作者是否学到了任何新的和重要的东西

    很高兴知道这位评论者是否学到了任何东西

    那里,菲菲。 将“AB”分配给 Sabrosky 先生,将“WoO”分配给这位评论者,问:

    What would AB make of WoO’s imagined scenario where Mossad has infiltrated Al Qaeda and manipulated the jihadis

    A:我假设 AB,正如任何/所有理性人可能会说的那样,“什么彻底的腐烂。”

    接下来,AB:“它的 [腐​​败和贪婪的 MSM+PFBC] 的作用是三重的:
    (a) disinformation – to affirm, or at least not openly question, the USG case;
    (b) distraction – to direct attention away from Israel and the PNAC/neo-cons; and
    (c) doubt – to ignore or ridicule those who question the official US case.”

    The reader may evaluate WoO’s ‘performance’ with reference to AB’s corruption-criteria.

    Comment: Note that the 1st two responders to Mr Sabrosky’s above masterpiece [my thanks and hearty applause], are what may loosely be termed trolls [WoO’s infamy precedes him/her], and there should be no mystery here; the ‘9/11-Q’ has been hotly contested, now 20 years less 1 day, because the ‘defenders of the Z-realm’ [mainly hasbarats and possibly worse, traitorous cryptos] cannot bear to let the truth shine through, but must continually try to muddy the waters.

    Sooo,听着,Woo; 标题文章断言 WTC7 是吸烟枪,正如我最近经常写的:

    WTC7 = 'control-' 被预加载的 PETN &/RDX = 特权访问 = 内部作业拆除。

    What’s not to understand? All else is derivative, …

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  14. Sarah 说:

    战争贩子和战争牟利者反感我。
    亿万富翁、慈善家、精神病患者、非政府组织、反社会者、政治家,准备消灭数百万人以变得更加富有,这让我感到厌恶。
    我完全站在受害者一边。
    我很惊讶地看到,虽然他们刚刚离开阿富汗,但他们已经在准备下一场战争。

    可能是伊朗和黎巴嫩。
    还有中国:
    – 他们正准备使用韩国人、日本人甚至台湾人作为炮灰。
    – 韩国:他们“允许”(翻译为“被迫”)韩国拥有能够到达中国的导弹:因此,将被屠杀的将是韩国人,而不是美国,
    - 巧合的是,在美国将其合法化的同时,韩国正在考虑女性征兵,这将使炮灰的质量增加一倍。

    • 回复: @Irish Savant
  15. Not telling us anything most of us don’t know already. However, if you’re new to the subject, it is an interesting introduction.

    The actual operation seems to have been less than perfectly executed. There was surely no need for men in white vans milling around the base of the World Trade Towers, nor Israelis trying to blow up the Washington Bridge. As for dancing and filming the attack, that was completely OTT.
    All these operatives should have be removed, preferably returned to Israel, by the previous day at the latest. Ron Unz claims that 200 Israelis were later deported by the US Government in the aftermath of 9/11. That’s a lot of people. Too many to keep an operation of this magnitude secret permanently. I expect more details to start dribbling out later this decade.

  16. Wokechoke 说:

    The attack really did benefit Israel and only Israel. Odd.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  17. mcohen 说:

    艾伦

    请问那里有什么名字。这些跳舞的以色列人。大声笑。

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israelis-absent-911/

    有趣的是,谣言起源于阿拉伯国家,所以他们为这些文章付费

  18. dimples 说:

    Once again another lengthy article claiming Israel done it, but no actual evidence that this was the case. All the items the author claims must have been done by Mossad could have been done by US actors. The bombs planted in the buildings were in the central cores, and did not require cutting of walls, laying of cables etc. Certainly the owner of the buildings was in on it, but he was not an Israeli but an American Jew. (Of course the two are not mutually exclusive)

    “First, Bergen, NJ residents saw five people on a white van filming the attacks and visibly celebrating. They had set up their cameras before the first plane hit.”

    Can the author provide evidence that the Dancing Israelis were actually there before the first plane hit? At one point in time I made an exhaustive search for some statement or other that this was actually the case but I think it boiled down to the person who called the police said they might have been there first perhaps or something like this. It would be greatly appreciated if actual evidence of this claim could be provided. Clearly the jews involved knew that something was going to happen, but were they dumb enough to turn up before the actual event started? After all they might have been caught on CCTV and then they would have definitely been in the poo.

    This Unz Israel did it stuff is basically propaganda. If you repeat an unsubstantiated claim long enough then stupid people will believe it is substantiated. Also, can anybody provide details concerning how exactly Jewland-In-The-Middle-East has substantially benefited from 9/11? It all seems pretty much the same to me as it was before, minus a few million dead Muslims of course which I’m sure have been replaced already.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
    , @eah
  19. Herr K 说:

    I believe it is crucial to concentrate on WTC7. All speculations on “who and why” are misleading — WTC7 and what happened to it is REAL and DEMONSTRABLE, independent of “who and why”.

    One should concentrate on JUST saying “a big and solid building collapsed, we need to understand why, in the physical sense, this happened”. The computations by the team of Leroy Hulsey are crucial here. Leave out all politics, etc., — the collapse of a building is just a very dangerous thing for the firer fighters (among others), and we need to fully understand it, that’s it.

    We need to return to reality.

    • 同意: Irish Savant
  20. Anon[326]• 免责声明 说:

    I’ve been kicked out of 109 bars, but it was never my fault

  21. gotmituns 说:

    alan sobrosky – just another jewish guy.

    The jews were behind the controlled demolition of the Twin towers and building #7. It’s got false flag written all over it.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  22. Gapeseed 说:

    Would a storage depot explode in such a neat footprint? Why did the BBC announce it had come down half an hour before it actually did? Why were nanothermites found in the dust when no planted explosives were found there as you claim? Why don’t you provide links to the responders or “all the men down there” agreeing with your point that WTC7 was used as a storage for explosive contraband? I’ve followed 9/11 theories closely and that claim (explosive contraband stored in some of the most expensive real estate in America) is new and strange to me.

  23. Franz 说:
    @dms578

    解开这个问题有待未来的调查、审讯和审判, 其次是对所有参与者进行与罪行严重程度相适应的惩罚。

    Noble sentiments sobered by a nagging fact: Some of these “participants” have already died of old age and as justice remains delayed, more will.

    Don’t take that as an insult. 20 years after JFKs death the same thing was true. That’s the link to all the real crimes in the world.

    • 回复: @Maddaugh
    , @Chris Moore
  24. 911 truthers 对两座塔倒塌的视频有很大的问题。 火灾削弱了外部钢幕墙,导致两座塔楼倒塌,两次倒塌的视频与这一事实相符。

    钢是“防火的”是有原因的。 钢材不必熔化,只需像世贸中心塔楼一样暴露在火中即可。 楼上没有适当的防火,一旦薄弱的一层倒塌,其余的就成定局了。

    我不知道为什么 7 号塔倒塌。 上面的两个评论者被指控为巨魔,这表明网络上的许多节目都是低智商的。

    • 谢谢: Wizard of Oz
    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF, R.C.
  25. Anonymous[661]• 免责声明 说:

    Excellent piece. I consider it the single most important article on Unz Review so far this year.

    In a perfect world, the US would have dropped a massive nuclear warhead on Tel Aviv by midnight Sept 11.

    • 同意: annamaria
  26. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, well….

    The continued cover-up is the best indication that 9-11 was a US and Israeli military operation. No organization on this planet could execute it, silence and steam-roll witnesses, write the script for the puppet media and wage war on any person or entity courageous enough to challenge the obviously false official narrative. Who owns the US media? Who owns the US government? Must be a duck!

    • 同意: skrik, annamaria
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  27. @Biff

    I did think of protecting my important point from quibbles like yours. Kindly direct your attention, and expertise, if any, to dealing with the proposition that steel supporting structures at and connecting each floor were being weakened by fire and then, below the fire weakened levels, were made to collapse by 500 tons, or whatever, of solid material turning potential energy into kinetic energy as it falls.

    • 回复: @Herald
  28. Dumbo 说:

    As the war in Afghanistan for very dubious reasons extended into a war in Iraq for even more specious ones,

    I think the (second) Iraq war preceded the Afghanistan one, didn’t it?

  29. Dumbo 说:

    Ah no, I am mistaken. I can’t delete my post. Ignore it.

  30. @Truth Vigilante

    How truly amazing. You must be one of those people who talk so much with ears closed that you don’t hear the patient efforts to tell you in simple terms how stupid you are bring.

    I won’t take the trouble to look up chapter and verse on kerosene and when it can burn at much higher temperatures (or form an explosive fireball such as I noted in reference to the ABC Late Night Live interview,BECAUSE YOUR BRAINFART IS IRRELEVANT.

    The melting point of steel has nothing to do with what happened. Heat WEAKENS steel.

  31. Half Back 说:
    @Quartermaster

    Looking over comment history it’s a given that you don’t think their was implosion/explosions , even when News footage from the base of WTC’s viewers could hear explosions. Some footage show white explosion- it a given that explosives were used. So your reluctance seems personal. What could that be?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  32. @skrik

    Yes I know you’ve been excited and obsessed with your theories and factors for a long time. Still if you care to say what’s actually the problem with my intellectual frolic about Mossad infiltrating Al Qaeda I’ll read you. I have no emotional or, indeed, intellectual attachment to my frolic but it does seem to have the merit of describing what Mossad would do if it could (after all it has a spy in Syria in the Assad entourage) and show how Mossad could have made things work so well.

    • 回复: @skrik
    , @Silas Moon
  33. gotmituns 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    No big deal talking about fire. It didn’t go down because of fire. The central core columns were blown out by explosive charges of some sort (maybe C4, or Thermite), planted during normal maintenance of the elevator system (located within the core) and the building sucked down with the collapsing core. Pretty simple when you think about it. Of course, the Arabs were just in on it on a need to know basis. All they needed to know was to fly the planes and in the end, be the fall guys taking the blame for the whole thing (which part they didn’t know of course).

    • 同意: Half Back
    • 回复: @niceland
  34. Anonymous[212]• 免责声明 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    他如何解释第二座建筑物以如此快的速度被击落? 表面上的解释是,弱化地板上方的重量要大得多,不是吗?

    That’s not how falling works. This isn’t first year physics, it’s 小学 physics. Don’t be a stupid idiot. That said, the world needs ditch diggers too.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  35. JM 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Powerful stuff. Let the Disingenuous Dunce of Oz try to answer that one.

    • 谢谢: Truth Vigilante
  36. Maddaugh 说:
    @Franz

    .Unraveling that issue is something to be left for a future investigation, interrogations and trials, followed by punishments appropriate to the magnitude of the crimes for all of the participants

    Noble sentiments sobered by a nagging fact: Some of these “participants” have already died of old age and as justice remains delayed, more will.

    Great comment. Yes, FOI will ensure the pertinent documentation (heavily redacted of course) is released on Sep 11th 2100. By that time people will say “9/11 attacks ? Twin Towers ? was that like a TV show. I was like not born then. I was like not even interested blah blah”.

    As it is right now I personally dont really care because in spite of all the hullabaloo, the truthers, the non-truthers and the outright liars I know we will never know who is REALLY responsible. One thing I do know, this type of “provocation” aka “attack on the US” has happened several times before resulting in wars we lost.

    It will happen again !

  37. Maddaugh 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    是的。 9/11 是旧帽子!

    我们现在需要担心的是极地冰盖融化并淹没零地地区,急救人员因 Covid 没有响应或留在家里照顾他们的 PanSexual 配偶和二元儿子和女儿。

    洪水甚至可能摧毁哈莱姆区,证明种族主义确实存在。

    值得庆幸的是,前任和现任国家元首都会冷静,因为尽管他们拥有价值数百万美元的海滩豪宅,但洪水将绕过他们的财产。

    • 哈哈: JM
  38. RoatanBill 说:

    This article missed the most significant evidence the pentagon attack provides. The pentagon was hit, not by a plane, but by a missile. The evidence was as clear as day up until the time the evidence was destroyed purposely by elements within the US gov’t.

    The original hole in the pentagon was just that, one hole. Had a plane hit the pentagon there would have been three holes, the most significant of which would have been made by the massive engines. Since these holes didn’t exist, there were no engines which means there was no plane. The only thing that could then have made the singular hole was a missile of some sort.

    Add to this the fact that the area hit was where Navy investigators were trying to figure out where the \$2 Trillion went that Donald Rumsfeld announced just the day before and the reason for the missile strike becomes obvious; to cover up a crime by destroying evidence. All the investigators died and their evidence was blown up and burned in one go. Then connect the fact that the Navy used Building 7 in New York as their data backup site and all should become clear that the pentagon attack and building 7 collapse were engineered to destroy the evidence of DOD crimes.

    对于任何具有批判性思维能力的人来说,很明显,美国军队在治理国家,而政客只是演员。 美国是一个软军事独裁国家,自从肯尼迪总统被击垮以来一直如此。 金融业、情报机构、MSM、以色列和许多其他机构都是辅助参与者,但主要权力在于美国军方。

    • 同意: Notsofast
    • 巨魔: LondonBob
  39. funny 说:
    @Quartermaster

    你有这样的反应是可以理解的。 无知滋生恐惧。 不是每个人都能理解基本的高中物理。 在政府眼中,您是真正的爱国者。 不要让事实干扰你的判断。 曾经!

    • 同意: Half Back
  40. skrik 说:
    @Quartermaster

    911truers对两塔倒塌的视频有很大的问题

    笨蛋; 您似乎遇到了“顶级围场中袋鼠太少”的问题。

    我的副标题 = '如果只有一个视频那么这个:'

    网络上那么多人秀的智商低下的表现

    写军需官,深深地凝视着他/她的镜子。

    引用自 Pepe’s latest:

    “The 9/11 propaganda machine is about to reach fever pitch this
    Saturday -“

    Plus the hasbarats and possibly worse, traitorous cryptos – all trying vainly to obfuscate reality, but the truth will/must/is out, where ‘is’ = WTC7.

    Dr Sabrosky’s title image is correct; says it all.

    • 同意: dimples
    • 回复: @dimples
  41. JM 说:
    @Quartermaster

    请参阅上面的@Truth Vigilante,以了解有关“上层”质量和“钢材弱化”导致坍塌的废话的答案。

    你的分析是最不知情的分析之一,完全来自主流宣传。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  42. anonymous[349]• 免责声明 说:
    @dms578

    Can you imagine this guy actually thinks he’s clever. It’s almost funny witnessing these traitors-in-waiting like dms578, fancying themselves using irrelevance to shoot down the overwhelmingly conclusive evidence of Israel and its American fifth column’s guilt for 9/11. Some day not too far off, and on their own lights, their knee-jerk collusion with the MSM’s elaborate efforts at concealment, from Sydney to London and everywhere in between, may be taken in the court of public opinion as powerful circumstantial evidence of their collective guilt for the majority of the evil in this world.

    Let’s never forget Eretz Israel’s guilt for the King David Hotel; the Lavon Affair; the assassinations of JFK and RFK; the attempted sinking of the 自由号 with all hands on board; the 1993 bombing of the WTC; the theft of \$4.4 trillion in working Americans’ savings and retirement funds under Alan Greenspan; the transfer of our industrial might to China, not least some 50,000 factories and their high paying jobs and 所有 我们的智力资本和军事机密,以获取经济利益并作为消灭美国的先决条件; 尤其是 9/11。

    Given this ongoing war against the United States by Eretz Israel, of which as many live in the United States as Israel proper, why would anyone ignore the evidence suggesting these same people are using Covid–19 to take out the United States as the prerequisite for a Sino-Israeli bilateral hegemony that was openly bragged about in a since-disappeared article in 外国会员?

    • 同意: SolontoCroesus, Druid55
    • 回复: @dms578
  43. JM 说:
    @RoatanBill

    五角大楼的袭击当然不是由飞机造成的。 由汉斯·布利克斯 (Hans Blix) 领导的联合国监测、核查和视察委员会的一名成员告诉我,当时坐在那里的委员会成员中没有一个人认为一架飞机撞上了五角大楼,它必须是导弹之类的。

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  44. Bill Jones 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    不言而喻,他们的第一个大谎言是什么。

    HoloHoax 多吗?

  45. @Quartermaster

    OK Qua,不涉及数学。 一座四边形的摩天大楼将要倒塌。 它是向东、向西、向北还是向南倾覆? 还是直接掉下来? 为什么最后一个选项如此不可能?

    • 同意: Chris Mallory
  46. skrik 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I once worked in an office where they awarded an iconic ‘dickhead of the week’ piece of art, to the ‘author’ of the most egregious mistake of the previous week, and the artwork was required to sit on the idiot’s desk, all the subsequent week long. Hereby, I award you the ‘dickhead of the current epoch’ = maximum embarrassment, to be surrendered by you only upon a certified successor-idiotic event ensues.

    The only thing anybody should get “excited and obsessed” about, is the psychopathic tyranny of the inside-job perps – those whom you are ‘supporting’ = accessory; jury, how do you find? “Guilty, your honour!”

    Ma-a-ate. We know you are a shill for ‘the establishment,’ but truth-seekers only laugh at your feeble efforts.

  47. @JM

    我确实已经回答过了。 现在看看你能不能找到什么话来减轻你们俩因犯下如此简单的错误而感到的尴尬。

    • 回复: @bike-anarkist
    , @Druid55
  48. “There is no need to confuse the public with its complexity at the very beginning.”

    WTC 7 freefall collapse

    Dancing Israeli self-confessed Mossad agents

    “Pull it”

    • 回复: @Agent76
  49. @mcohen

    Nice misdirection. The link you provided was not about the “dancing Israelis”, but concerned the rumor that 4000 Israelis did not go to work that day. Did your check from Tel Aviv clear yet?

  50. Trinity 说:

    Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, Jonathan Pollard, ETC., ETC.

    5个舞蹈Shlomos

    IF you were a police detective, who would be your prime suspect?

  51. @dimples

    Good catch on the Five Dancing Shlomos, the author of this article dropped the ball on this. The woman who called the cops because five Shlomos were dancing and posing with lighters in her apartment building parking lot could not say they had arrived before the hit on the North Tower because she did not look out her window until a friend called her to say a tower had been hit. Debunker sites like “911 Myths” make a big deal about this, and they are correct, but they err egregiously by an unforgivable omission. That woman’s call was the SECOND CALL to police. There were TWO CALLS to police about five Shlomos dancing and posing with lighters. The FIRST CALL was recieved by police BEFORE the North Tower was hit. The caller described five men dressed like Arabs on a roof of a building, dancing and posing with lighters, being photographed with the Manhattan skyline behind them. On the roof of what building were the Shlomos dancing? Why, the roof of the building housing Urban Moving Systems. Apparently, the roof of Urban Moving Systems didn’t offer the best views of the “event”, so the Shlomos hopped in a van with the Urban Moving Systems logo on the side and drove to the second location. Arrogant Shlomos, that was their undoing. The second caller was able to provide the critical information identifying the Urban Moving Systems van that got the Shlomos busted. So the Five Dancing Shlomos definately displayed foreknowledge of the WTC attack.

  52. @JWalters

    [Rothschild] It went on to take control of Wall Street and American banking through the JP Morgan Bank, and then the Federal Reserve Bank. It also financed the Zionist invasion of Palestine.

    Zionists also arranged financing of WWII, of which zionists were major beneficiaries.
    Louis Brandeis was a member of Parushim and an ardent zionist. With Felix Frankfurter, Brandeis maneuvered between Churchill and FDR to ensure that US would enter war against Germany, and would destroy Germany in that war.
    Rabbi Stephen Wise was Louis Brandeis’s macher (those who have read LeCarre´’s 小鼓手女孩 — Rabbi Wise was as hate-filled and inexhaustibly cunning as Schulmann/Kurtz **)
    Henry Morgenthau, Jr. collaborated closely with Rabbi Wise.*** As Secretary of Treasury through the war years, Morgenthau arranged for legislation that taxed almost all earned income, greatly expanding the tax base; imposed payroll deduction; and played the major role in selling bonds to finance the war.

    ___
    ** 小鼓手女孩, ch. 1: “As some men may be seen to be in love, so Schulmann was possessed by a deep and awesome hatred.”

    ***The Jew Who Defeated Hitler, Henry Morgenthau, Jr., FDR, and How We Won the War, by Peter Moreira

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
    • 回复: @JWalters
  53. @Mephisto

    Been saying the same thing for DECADES. If Larry Silverstein came out in the morning and admitted that it was a Mossad operation designed to goad America into attacking Muslims it’d make little practical difference to the American public.

    • 回复: @Nick Dean - fellist
  54. @Sarah

    我很惊讶地看到,虽然他们刚刚离开阿富汗,但他们已经在准备下一场战争。

    I’d have been surprised were they 不能 正是这样做的。

  55. @Half Back

    You are implying that you know enough to have a firm opinion. Now tell me that you know about the fireball which raced down the or an elevator shaft and tell me how it fits in with your preferred scenario. Do you think it might have caused explosions on the way down as it certainly did when it blew up the lobby.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  56. @JM

    它既不是喷气发动机巡航导弹,也不是火箭发动机导弹,两者都不够准确。 五角大楼被激光制导炸弹击中,其精度无与伦比。 激光指示器不必在携带炸弹的飞机上。 击中五角大楼的激光制导炸弹有一个钢坯穿透器和最小的爆炸载荷。 钢坯穿透器的证据是五角大楼内环壁的出口孔。

  57. The MSM’s normal inquisitorial impulse was not in evidence in the case of 9/11. This is because critical inquiries into 9/11 have been largely ignored or repressed by the MSM — which would not do that if its largely Zionist ownership did not know, suspect or fear that an exposed evidentiary trail would lead, in whole or in part, directly or indirectly to Israel. Indeed, if the evidentiary trail had seemed to lead to (e.g.) Iran instead of Israel, or if its provenance was even moderately uncertain, the MSM would have vociferously shredded the USG case long ago, and the “9/11 Truth” movement would find its views presented on the front pages of major newspapers and highlighted in favorable TV/radio broadcasts.

    This is key. Without the ((Jewish))/Zionist fifth column in place in MSM, the coverup never would have lasted. the fifth column in place, not only 9/11 but virtually the entire international Zionist agenda has free reign and license to abuse the American people and the world for its own sinister and corrupt agenda.

    These “Jews” are the most deranged, warped and corrupt creatures in existence. Nothing good can come from the control they and the kind of scum that kowtow to them exert over the world.

    • 谢谢: Alden
  58. @Anonymous

    Aha! I scratched my head about such irrelevance to the point. Then I realised you only had the vaguest memory of any physics at all. So you confused the uniform value of acceleration due to gravity in a vacuum (32ft per second per second) with the much more complicated formula for the kinetic energy of a falling heavy body. I realise you were a prodigy who learned that at 9 so of course you can be forgiven for forgetting it while you devoted your brilliant mind to the classics, Sanskrit and Ancient Chinese.

  59. Sparkon 说:
    @RoatanBill

    The only thing that could then have made the singular hole was a missile of some sort.

    No, a simple explosive or bomb easily could have made the hole in the Pentagon.

    奥卡姆剃刀。

    On Sept. 11, 2001, there was a decoy jetliner that flew over the Pentagon about the same time a bomb went off there. Several witnesses have averred that the decoy jetliner flew north of the Citgo gas station, while the phony, make-believe 757 of AA 77 is supposed to have flown south of the Citgo station, knocking over light poles, one of which allegedly pierced the windshield of Lloyde England’s taxi cab, before crashing into the Pentagon.

    Image: thepentacon dot com

    With a decoy jetliner already in the mix, what would be the purpose of a missile? In any event, a missile would have been flying much faster than any airplane, probably too fast for anyone to identify.

    You should familiarize yourself with the entire saga, including Lloyde England’s taxi.

    https://www.thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm

    The decoy jetliner helps bring Norman Mineta’s testimony into focus. Cheney’s orders to the “young man” must have been “hold your fire,” because Cheney didn’t want to shoot down his own jetliner that was about to buzz and fly over the Pentagon.

    Of course the “young man” bringing Cheney updates on the approaching plane must have been confused and disturbed by orders to “hold your fire,” when the plane was just 10 miles away, and that explains why he wanted to verify the orders when he asked Cheney “Do the orders still stand?”

    • 回复: @RoatanBill
  60. @JM

    And see my refutation of Truth Vigilante’s totally ill aimed brain fat.

  61. whodat 说:

    Well then there is the molten steel. (not aluminum- steel, was yellow not white.) and steel cant be melted with a fire of office furniture and kerosene jet fuel-

  62. @RoatanBill

    I agree with you, the Pentagon attack is the most significant evidence. We must believe that a whole Boieng 757 went through a 15 feet hole because the impact was so violent that its two big engines just vaporized, but in the official book “Pentagon 9/11”, Historical Office, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Washington D.C. 2007 there is a photo that shows the tire of the front landing gear of a plane with the caption “In A-E Drive, debris and airplane tire remnant”. How can it be that an impact is so violent that two giant engines made of steel and titanium disappear, but a rubber tire survives?

    • 回复: @RoatanBill
  63. annamaria 说:
    @JWalters

    谢谢: https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html
    Jacob Schiff was a godfather of the Bolshevik revolution that has bled the Russian empire with genocidal projects:

    Jacob Schiff literally grew up in the Rothschild house. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Schiff http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
    After training in banking in Germany, Jacob Schiff went to America. He was eventually invited to join the banking house of Kuhn Loeb Company. He married Solomon Loeb’s daughter, and in 1875 became head of Kuhn Loeb Company. … Senator Robert L. Owen had identified [Kuhn Loeb Company] as the representative of the European Rothschilds in the United States.” http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

    Time for the Rothschilds to pay reparations to the former Soviet republics that were particularly affected by the Jewish wrath, Ukraine (Kaganovich Holodomor) and Kazakhstan (the Goloschyokin [Itsikovich] genocide).
    Clearing the US industries from American citizens:

    Several U.S. tech giants including Google, Microsoft and Intel Corporation have filled top positions with former members of Israeli military intelligence and are heavily investing in their Israeli branches while laying off thousands of American employees, all while receiving millions of dollars in U.S. government subsidies funded by American taxpayers. … During the 2020 Democratic primaries both Google and YouTube (owned by Google) sabotaged searches for information on Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard at critical times of high interest during the campaign. Simultaneously the corporate media smeared her throughout the campaign.

    The problem for Jews at large is the inordinate presence of psychopaths and neurotics among their ranks. After they have hollowed out the US there is nowhere for them to go.
    As for the 9/11 project, the truth makes it into a veritable requiem for holobiz.

    • 回复: @JWalters
  64. Agent76 说:

    16 年 2012 月 9 日 以 11/XNUMX 的名义犯下的罪行

    9 年 11 月 19 日在吉隆坡举行的“2012/XNUMX 修订:寻求真相”会议。

    22 年 2021 月 40 日 美国在 1979 年前发动对阿富汗的战争:美国于 XNUMX 年开始招募“伊斯兰恐怖分子”。 Zbigniew Brzezinski 作者:Zbigniew Brzezinski 博士、Le Nouvel Observateur 和教授 Michel Chossudovsky

    它于 15 年 2001 月 7 日出版,也就是美国-北约于 2001 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日领导入侵阿富汗后的一周。

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cias-intervention-in-afghanistan-u-s-recruitment-of-islamic-terrorists-started-in-1979-zbigniew-brzezinski/5629070

  65. Agent76 说:
    @Irish Savant

    This is a eyewitness there on that day.

    25年2014月9日,FDNY 11/7幸存者证人和举报人在WTC XNUMX上发表演讲

    从“ 20”秒标记开始非常仔细地听! 作为9/11的消防员,他在零地,在7号楼倒塌时在那里。

  66. @Jimmy The Cop

    Your nonsense exposes itself for the garbage it is.

    Yo write

    “wage war on any person or entity courageous enough to challenge the obviously false official narrative”

    Yeah…. Ron Unz, Alan Sablosky, dozens of writers of books and thousands of blog commenter, not to mention the 300 Architects and Engineers and, more recently organised lawyers for reopening 9/11 issues.  Where is the evidence of your “war:?

  67. annamaria 说:
    @Wokechoke

    The attack did indeed benefit Israel as well as the MIC/CIA/NATO war profiteers. The ‘missing’ Trillions have provided great gesheft to all kinds of “patriots” whose only loyalty is to comforts and money.
    That the psychopathic supremacist entity of the Jewish State has damaged the US and provoked the wars of aggression in the Middle East (on the US taxpayers’ dime and limb) is less amusing than the obedient/profiteering Treason of American citizens in the highest echelons of the US government and US military. The country is totally rotten at its head.

  68. annamaria 说:
    @gotmituns

    Alan Sabrosky is a dignified human being, a Mensch, whose name we know and respect.
    As for Ms/Mr “gotmituns”… what is her/his claim on significance?

    • 回复: @gotmituns
  69. Mr. Ed 说:

    What surprises me somewhat is that most of you cannot face the facts that:

    1> it was Israel

    2> lots of people know it was Israel

    3> ZOG knows that we know it was Israel

    4> ZOG doesn’t care, since ZOG also knows that NOTHING will happen either to Israel or to ZOG itself.

    • 同意: Trinity, RedpilledAF
  70. RoatanBill 说:
    @Sparkon

    A bomb placed on the wall would not have penetrated several interior walls and left behind relatively large metal fragments. To do that requires momentum supplied by a moving mass, the remnants of the missile.

    The US military fired on their own building.

    But in either case, there was no plane. There was no plane at Shanksville either as no debris or bodies were recovered. The whole official narrative is bullshit.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  71. RoatanBill 说:
    @Roberto Gentilli

    The pentagon is why I think concentrating on the towers and building 7 is misdirection. The pentagon is such an obvious case that it alone proves a conspiracy by the US military to eliminate the evidence of the decades old crimes leading to the current estimate of over \$20 Trillion unaccounted for in transactions.

    It’s always about the money. I’d bet Israel got plenty of that missing loot and was definitely in on the job.

    • 同意: Alden
    • 回复: @sgt_doom
  72. anonymous[317]• 免责声明 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You seem to know a lot about 911. Are you the one who is responsible for it?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  73. “That gives the plane impacts a gruesome cosmetic role, designed explicitly to conceal the true cause of the collapse of the buildings, while shocking the public into something akin to numbness.”

    More like public dumb-ness than numbness!

  74. tosca 说:

    Hello you dear all, #10 above has cleverly and convincingly summarized the last stages of the millenian plot. Nothing to add.

  75. @Alfred

    说真的,在纽约,两座较大的建筑被现代战术核武器炸毁了——贝鲁特港也是如此。

    就像夜幕降临一样,他们会一次又一次地这样做。

  76. @anonymous

    I have a good, accurate memory and think facts matter. It is amazing how much I have learned through examining the confident wrong assertions I have found un UR threads since I got interested about 5 or 6 years ago. One doesn’t take on Ron lightly when one suspects error and wants to draw attention to it.

    • 回复: @bike-anarkist
    , @skrik
  77. gotmituns 说:
    @annamaria

    We’re just giving our opinion here fella. To me, the guy is just another jew. to you he’s “dignified.”

    Me, no particular claim to fame, just a normal, logical guy.

  78. dms578 说:
    @dms578

    我当然不是我是这些事件及其后果的厌恶活证人。 你呢 ? 我的丈夫站在西街看到飞机坠毁在我兄弟的高级 FDNY 危险品中,负责团队检查现场,并与许多响应者和受害者的幸存者成为朋友。 你呢 ? 这些愚蠢的不准确的人身攻击是粗心或无法客观分析的人的产物。 我的兄弟也在 587 年 01 月在社区监督了 XNUMX 航班的检查,因为我们的父亲前一天去世了。 他在塔楼和这个站点都是正确的。

    • 谢谢: Alden
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  79. saggy 说: • 您的网站

    真相者如何看待本拉登的供词……


    视频链接

    • 回复: @Sparkon
    , @Robjil
    , @Ron Unz
  80. niceland 说:
    @gotmituns

    No big deal talking about fire. It didn’t go down because of fire. The central core columns were blown out by explosive charges of some sort (maybe C4, or Thermite), planted during normal maintenance of the elevator system (located within the core) and the building sucked down with the collapsing core. Pretty simple when you think about it.

    It’s amazing, this is the first time I see someone state the same conclusion I came to 18 years ago. But then, I have mostly avoided 911 discussions for many years.

    From engineering standpoint it is difficult to rule out the Towers came down because of fires – against Finite element analysis done by NIST. Many engineers simply bought into the official version because it was possible, but didn’t really consider if it was plausible. I was very skeptical there was enough heat to cause weakening of the core columns at the crash site since the jet fuel burned up in few minutes.

    Much bigger problem with the official version of the crash story was to account for all the reports of bombs going off in the lower levels of the towers, even before the airplanes hit. They were too many, and too credible to ignore.

    If there were indeed bombs going off at the lower levels, even in the basement, what were they blowing up, and why? I presume the attackers really wanted to bring the Towers down, that was the grand finale with much more terror impact than the airplanes alone. And they couldn’t possibly expect the airplanes to finish the job. So they had second operation going on.

    So it seems prior to the attack, bombs were attached to several selected core columns at the lower levels. They didn’t have to blow out all the columns, only few to cause enough asymmetric loads in the core at the crash site, where the outer shell was already weakened by the airplanes. And it wasn’t necessary at all to explode these bombs all at once. So, judging by witness accounts they started blowing the core columns around the time the planes hit. One by one they went off, few minutes apart, until the Tower(s) came down. Each one not drawing much attention in the chaos. Exploding them all at the same time would have resulted in much larger explosion with the Tower coming down right away, leaving no doubt about explosives used.

    It’s possible exotic explosives were used to cut the beams. But if the aim was to bring down the Towers, there was no need for any kind of controlled demolition, nukes or whatever nonsense is floating around. Just cut perhaps 10-15 columns below the crash site and it will come down. And structure like these have only one way to go down – into their own footprint, more or less. The big core columns buckling around like snakes during the collapse threw debris to the sides that damaged nearby buildings.

    A likely scenario and “Pretty simple when you think about it.” If this is the case, it follows the guys in the airplanes were not acting alone. But attaching explosives to several core columns doesn’t seem to require too many people to be involved.

    • 回复: @Just another serf
    , @John1955
  81. dms578 说:
    @Robert Bruce

    I can ask him I have forgotten assume either referred heat or some open flame piece of debris for now. He was also in belle harbor queens day flight 587 went down and after instructing police how to handle residents went into fuselage. He did not necessarily agree with that official account, our father died day before he was making arrangements when he heard the explosion. Don’t get me going on TWA 800 and what people on the beach saw that day. Dozens whose accounts were dismissed with a handwave by FAA spokesmen as a bunch of alcoholics. What is a typical mossad operation exactly. How do you know and would you mind explaining? My brother worked with Giuliani for decades at city hall prior to ‘01 my best recollection right now is that Israeli security had picked up chatter and tried to get the FBI to listen. Plenty of Jews were killed that day. My husband on west street when planes crashed in he died of cancer I feel was caused by months of exposure. He was Jewish his brother in law a famous financier on the street who If this were a mossad event would have very likely been told to take certain actions to protect his customer portfolios. I can entertain ideas about actors behind scenes if claims seem credible. I do not think Israel is interested in endless wars in region they want peace and cooperation as evidenced by their endless delight and relief with the historic successful actions of DJT. Thanks fir your reasonable response very unusual on this site.

    • 巨魔: Druid55
    • 回复: @annamaria
  82. Sparkon 说:
    @RoatanBill

    A bomb placed on the wall would not have penetrated several interior walls and left behind relatively large metal fragments. To do that requires momentum supplied by a moving mass, the remnants of the missile.

    Nonsense. Explosives in the form of shaped charges can easily explain all the damage at the Pentagon.

    A missile would have been an unnecessary complication, particularly with respect to timing the explosion to coincide with the decoy flyover, which would have been easily done with a bomb or explosives. The simplest explanation is that explosives were planted at the Pentagon just as they were at the WTC.

    It is not unreasonable to think that the Pentagon, as the headquarters of the world’s most powerful military, would have detected and tracked any incoming missile, but Dick Cheney was getting updates about an approaching airplane, the decoy, and not about any approaching missile.

    The USAF did not intercept any hijacked airliners on 9/11 for the plain and simple reason that there weren’t any. Similarly, the Pentagon did not track any incoming missile on 9/11 for the plain and simple reason that there wasn’t one.

    • 回复: @RoatanBill
  83. profnasty 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    萨布罗斯基和其他许多人很久以前就证明了以色列轰炸了世贸中心:
    排除合理怀疑。
    打哈欠。
    Let’s talk about Covid.
    现在你是恐怖分子。
    祝你好运。

  84. Anon[203]• 免责声明 说:

    莫萨德(Mossad)9-11的死刑应该是一个警钟。
    你们订阅了伪造的WMD和土狼飞机,这些飞机消失在巴比伦双子塔中,而您的直觉应该已经开始,并告诉您某些事情是不对的。
    9-11应该是检验真理的试金石,但您方便地忽略了它。 由于认知失调,您选择了另一种方式。
    您遵循布什的命令,进行了一次疯狂的消费,增加了更多的信用卡债务,并且利息很高,以撒旦的阴谋集团为食。
    在所有这些关于恐怖的虚假战争和无休止的骗局中,您无意中支持了犹太复国主义者的撒旦式的推动世界混乱的努力。
    在这一点上,您所能做的就是为自己的罪恶pent悔,并开始反击负责策划所有这些虚假的反恐战争的犯罪企业,并在al-CIA-da的帮助下制造出这些可怕的,恶毒的,险恶的ISISraHELL。和MOSSAD。
    另一种选择是坐下来,享受比您附近9-11大的烟花,同时他们为他们的上主伊斯拉·黑尔(Yzwehell)为他们的上主-反基督的达杰尔的到来做准备。
    无论哪种方式,都可以与这些恶魔般的,完全精神病的,恶性的,险恶的,病理性的撒谎者和大地的堕落者一起坐上云霄飞车。 种瓜得瓜,种豆得豆。

    有个谎言。 然后是一个大谎言。 然后是911。圣诞老人超越了LIE。 Tel LIE视察911 EvangeLIED正在通过欺骗的方式乘车,以为耶稣基督为他们的邪恶而死。 每个人都必须为进入天堂或在地狱之火中永久居留的善举或罪恶负责。

    关于9/11的令人毛骨悚然的事情以及前后都出现的许多次要的虚假标志是,尽管大多数美国人都知道它像一张三美元半的美联储备用注,但每个人似乎都满足于付诸表决。它旨在制造极其电话化的“反恐战争”,已经摧毁了世界上所有国家的一臂之力,造成超过9万人被谋杀,主要是使用美军,使美国成为了无情的疯狂警察该州规定所有人都以“紧急状态”的名义遵守明显违法的法规,而统治精英则完全放弃遵守任何法律,而聚集了庞大的军事力量,以养活现在动荡不安,愤慨不平的公众。 –更多信息请见:克里斯托弗·博兰(Christopher Bollyn):解决问题的人11/XNUMX

  85. Desert Fox 说:

    It is good to see someone telling the truth about Israel and traitors in the ZUS doing 911, now there needs to be arrests and trials.

  86. @niceland

    there was no need for any kind of controlled demolition, nukes or whatever nonsense is floating around. Just cut perhaps 10-15 columns below the crash site and it will come down. And structure like these have only one way to go down – into their own footprint, more or less.

    Majority of the time I find 乌兹网 comments interesting and sometimes insightful and informative. But there’s also stuff like this.

    • 回复: @GeneralRipper
  87. @dms578

    违禁炸药必须储存在特定位置,并在那里精心策划,以便 7 号楼按原样落下。

  88. Sparkon 说:
    @saggy

    What do you make of the fact that none of those actors in that video even looks like Osama bin Laden?

    When it was conveniently found and released in Dec. 2001, this cheesy video was denounced almost immediately as a fake. The video that “saggy” presents here as a challenge to truthers is poorly done, unconvincing, and already thoroughly debunked.

    In the “confession” video tape, a man, who, by virtue of the beard and headpiece, only vaguely resembled bin Laden, chortles about the success of the 9/11 attacks. The individual portraying bin Laden in the video is a stocky man with a black beard, not a grey one. “bin Laden’s” pale skin had suddenly become darker, and he had a different shaped nose. His artistic hands with slender fingers had transformed into those of a pugilist. He looked in exceedingly good health. Furthermore, the “bin Laden” in the video can be seen writing a note with his right hand, although the real bin Laden was left-handed.



    大学:
    https://www.the-office.com/fakebinladen.htm

    It’s easy to fake or alter photos and videos, along with editing audio recordings and soundtracks, but as I’ve been saying, it’s very difficult to do the fakery perfectly, so that it escapes detection.

    让观众提防。

  89. Robjil 说:
    @saggy

    “Lovers of a good world” know it was a US/Israel thing. “Lovers of a good world” know that Bin Liedon was an US/Israel gimmick. He was send to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets. Using the T word to intimidate people who want a good world is not going shame anyone from wanting a good and just world.

    [更多]

    https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/this-is-what-we-are-afraid-of.276650?fbclid=IwAR2xqweSQlb7f0wvPthSoRaRv0LgWGTP01IURKmv_cc1uL8ANbhf438zvtw

    但很少有人确切知道基地组织这个词的实际含义。 一些新闻机构随意将这个词误解为“基地”的意思。 但实际上,这不是这个不祥术语的完整和正确的翻译。 Al-Qaeda 实际上是阿拉伯语动词 Qa'ada 的派生词,意思是“坐在”特定类型的底座上,即马桶。 事实上,在阿拉伯语中,三种不同类型的厕所有三个术语: Hamam Arabi 或阿拉伯厕所,在阿拉伯国家很常见的地面上的一个洞; 一种儿童用的便盆,称为 Ma Qa'adia 或“小基地组织”,而 Hamam Franji 更常称为基地组织或外国厕所,这是大多数西方国家普遍使用的熟悉的马桶。 “Ana raicha Al Qaeda”是“我要去厕所”的口语表达,因此 Al-Qaeda 是名词,字面意思是“厕所”。

    现在到底为什么恐怖组织会称自己为“厕所”? 为什么奥萨马·本·拉登会想要与厕所服务员联系在一起,同时对这个行业的人给予应有的尊重? 因此,为什么整个世界首先要如此害怕基地组织? 或者是不是我们都患有一种我们可以称之为“集体厕所恐惧症”的精神病?

  90. Ron Unz 说:
    @saggy

    Well, Canadian Eric Margolis had been for many years one of the leading MSM journalists covering South Asia and the long Afghanistan conflict, and he personally met with Bin Laden. When he was interviewed on CNN, he said those later tapes were obvious fakes, and the individual shown was certainly not Bin Laden:

    https://www.unz.com/emargolis/911-the-mother-of-all-coincidences/

    If they had to produce crude faked tapes in which Bin Laden changed his mind and took responsibility for the attacks, that enormously raises doubts about the official story.

    • 同意: El Dato, JimDandy
  91. @Wizard of Oz

    为什么要把你的忠诚强加给这里的每个人?

    良好、准确的记忆力并认为事实很重要.

    一个很好的准确记忆,可以让强迫性的反信息负责,这很重要。

  92. @Wizard of Oz

    绿野仙踪写道:

    钢的熔点与发生的事情无关。 热使钢变弱。

    错误的 !

    钢的熔点与它息息相关。

    你们中的许多人都会熟悉 3000/9 真相的 11 名建筑师和工程师。

    What a lot of people don’t know is that there are a lot of S.T.E.M trained professionals (10,000 – 15,000 at a very minimum), that are part of this movement that are not either Architects and Engineers. ie: people like physicists, chemists, controlled demolition experts and various academics.
    而且,非常重要的是,它包括冶金学家。

    这些冶金学家公开表示,由于钢的熔点与喷气燃料的燃烧温度之间存在巨大差异,WTC 1 和 2 中的结构钢由于这些火灾而失去了 NO 承载能力。

    有些人可能会假设,如果钢经受比其熔点低 1000 摄氏度的火,并且不会失去其承载能力,然后如果火的温度升高到比钢的熔点低 500 摄氏度,因为这是 HALF WAY,那么事实上钢材将失去一半的承载能力。

    大错特错!!

    The steel loses next to NO load bearing capacity until said temp of the fire is very CLOSE to it’s melting point (say within the last 50 – 100 degrees away from melting point).

    除此之外,火灾可能会燃烧数周,承载能力的降低可以忽略不计。

    In any event, let’s humour you with your Non-Science-Based-Fantasy and assume that these short duration fires in the Nth and Sth towers (1 – 1.5 hours approx) did in facts lessen the load bearing capacity of said structural steel in the vicinity of impact by say half.

    最终结果:没问题。 钢铁仍然可以胜任。

    Because, as mentioned before, the structural steel in all modern buildings is designed to incorporate a redundancy factor of 4 – 5 times (at least) of the anticipated load it will likely be subjected to.
    因此,即使它失去了一半的承载能力,它仍然能够承受至少两倍于它可能遇到的负载。

    So please Dunce of Oz, just because you saw a slick documentary on TV (as we all did), produced by the perpetrators with professionally produced graphics (let’s face it, the Zio cabal have unlimited financial resources at their disposal), showing the schematics of how the floors in the WTC pancaked onto one another, this does not make it ‘science’, just because you were sucked in by it.

    What you witnessed was ‘science fiction’.

  93. Bro43rd 说:
    @mcohen

    Snopes 是犹太复国主义宣传,甚至在大多数高中都不是允许的来源。

  94. skrik 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    WoO claims s/he has

    良好、准确的记忆力并认为事实很重要

    OK; here is a factual 1-liner you have seen before:

    “WTC7: The “Smoking Gun” of 9/11″ = a 视频 in the headline article.

    Here is my own 1-liner [repeat], asserted as *事实*:

    WTC7 = 'control-' 被预加载的 PETN &/RDX = 特权访问 = 内部作业拆除。

    You’ve had more than enough time now, your task: *反驳* it, or kindly p**关了。

    My forecast: You will do neither, you will continue to bloviate, with zero credibility, just like they taught you in troll-school – does it pay well, i.e. 30 Shekels per post, say?

  95. @RoatanBill

    The U.S. military is one of the many hammers of Jewish High Finance. In fact, it is run through the intelligence agencies, such as Mossad and CIA, for those Jew financiers. That money was stolen, of course, and the thief, as always, is the Jews. It is always the Jews.

    They killed JFK.

    • 回复: @mulga mumblebrain
  96. Druid55 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Typical J response, just like all your other nonsense

  97. Herald 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    And the plane that brought down WTC 7 was invisible.

    • 谢谢: Wizard of Oz
    • 哈哈: Iris, Biff
  98. El Dato 说:
    @dms578

    7 号楼倒塌,因为它是纽约警察局用来存放可能会爆炸的违禁品的仓库。

    That’s a new one. Never heard of that. Why would the NYPD

    1) Use an expensive prime location in Manhattan to “store contraband” instead of an industrial cottage out in the boondocks?
    2) 将炸药存放在办公大楼中,万一出现问题,它的屁股就有被扯掉的风险。 就像它所做的那样。 没有蜂拥而至的律师?

    这是好莱坞的场景。 只需添加即时布鲁斯威利斯。

    • 回复: @Alden
  99. El Dato 说:
    @Alfred

    说真的,在纽约,两座较大的建筑被现代战术核武器炸毁了——贝鲁特港也是如此。

    That’s undiluted bullshit.

    “Tactical nukes” behave like nukes, not like chemical explosives. These are easy to distinguish by the meanest intelligence.

    Nobody in Beirut or in NYC was blinded for one or got SERIOUS sunburn down to the skeleton. Also, nukes down’t create craters, they heat the ground.

    In fact that “nuke” idea is so dumb that I suspect it’s just engineered interference to make 9/11 interestees look cooky and fringe.

    Also, if you don’t think ammonium nitrate can blow craters, here you go:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ammonium_nitrate_disasters

    • 同意: niceland
    • 巨魔: Iris
    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
  100. dms578 说:
    @anonymous

    What overwhelming evidence is that ? And how do you know ? Comments by people directly involved and on site I believe likely to trump any so called evidence you believe you have. I think you are a reflexive anti semite please don’t worry so is Unz. If you have any credible information to support your claims state them otherwise I have to assume you are an unprincipled slanderer in addition to being anti Semitic. Do not jump to any conclusions here I am not Jewish or an evangelical. Why don’t you come around and tell me I am y involved in treason ? I am a tiny 70 ye old female but I will still slap your face.

  101. GeneralRipper [又名“狮鹫”] 说:
    @Just another serf

    there was no need for any kind of controlled demolition, nukes or whatever nonsense is floating around. Just cut perhaps 10-15 columns below the crash site and it will come down.

    快变!

    Our boy might wanna get on the horn to those structural engineers and demo companies and let em’ know that.

    Also, someone should probably inform the Shitwizard of Toz that the white stuff you see coating steel “I” beams in the parking garage of large buildings isn’t there to make them look pretty…lol

  102. El Dato 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Actually, there is the possibility that the plane’s aluminum could burn fiercely enough to make the WTC core pillars melt through.

    It’s only sad and not a little amazing that all the WTC debris had to be shipped off in a hurry to overseas steel recycling plants before people in Manhattan had even finished installing cancer due to all the asbestos dust and transformer oil swirling around.

  103. JimDandy 说:
    @Alfred

    I think this is a great article. But I’m missing something. Two planes, three buildings. The two towers were rigged with explosions to make it look like the two planes knocked them down. Was the third building rigged to collapse so it would be further “proof” that fire/heat actually can bring buildings down in their own footprint?

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  104. John1955 说:
    @niceland

    =against Finite element analysis done by NIST=

    Mr.Niceland;

    Everybody with a computer more powerful than IBM PC/XT can do FEM analysis.

    https://github.com/nasa/NASTRAN-95

    NASTRAN(NASA STRucture ANalysis) was written by NASA and released to the general public in 1968.Now everybody combines that engine with a fancy GUI and sells it for big \$\$\$…

    问题是

    Is there a FEM model of collapsing WTC somewhere out there which I can download and play with ?

    Recently I shot a virtual 9mm Luger round loaded with 10x powder charge from virtual Glock 19…

    It was horrible…

    Maybe I’ll progress to bigger and more important things 😁😁😁

    • 回复: @niceland
  105. Iris 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Hi PMcN. The role of the secondary explosions must be analysed within the context of the smokescreen scenario: the alleged “plane attack” leading to the alleged subsequent “office fire” situation.

    Neither any plane hit the Twin Towers, nor anything inside the Twin Towers could have burnt to the extent of even slightly weakening the structural steel. But that was the mind-hypnotizing scenario that the perpetrators needed to sell to the public.

    So the Gelatin “art students” planted the top of the Twin Towers with nanothermite that exploded in a spectacular fashion, so as to simulate a plane crashing.

    And a number of explosive charges were planted then detonated throughout each tower, so as to start multiple fires and later give some substance to the office fires tall tale.

    Once the smokescreen had been established with all these secondary explosions, the real demolition scheme was triggered, using a much more potent method: the detonation of an underground nuclear charge under each building, carried out as per the standard methods of underground nuclear testing.

    • 回复: @El Dato
  106. That is, WTC-7 went straight down into its own footprint in seconds without any visible catastrophic external trauma, which means only some catastrophic internal trauma could have brought it down. And if it had been wired for a controlled demolition, then so were the other towers (WTC-1 and WTC-2) that collapsed.

    And yet the conspirators didn’t fly a plane (or a cgi plane or what have you) into building 7 so why did they plan to blow it up, and did in fact blow it up much later than the other two. Was it because they intended to leave clues for intrepid conspiracy theorists to mull over? You’d think if you wanted to bring down two buildings because planes (supposedly) flew into them then, then if you were to wire the third building up at great cost and potential discoverability, you would also conspire to fly a plane (or a fake cgi plane) into that building as well. Or fake a terrorist bomb. Nothing like that happened.

    This is all nonsense. To convince normies all you need is the dancing Schmucks. Describe that story and most people will begin to wonder about who knew what and when.

    But of course unlike other conspiracies the story of the high fivers has been buried. Plenty of reports back then, memory erased now, unlike the theory that dE plAnes WeRe Cgi which can only appeal to the deeply intellectually challenged, but has grown wings. The very fact that the intellectually challenged believe all kinds of nonsense, means the smart normal people won’t investigate what is genuinely suspicious. The conspiracy hides in plain sight hidden by the weeds generated by conspiracy theorists.

  107. GeneralRipper [又名“狮鹫”] 说:

    The one that always gets me is how them doggone Hebrew art students was livin’ just a few blocks away from them mass murderin’, super pilot goatfuckers who hated us fer our freedoms.

    It’s a small world after all!

    Anyone who believes the “official” Government version of 9/11 will probably believe all the rest of the NWO cockamamie horseshit.

    Joe Biden got 80 million votes. Covid is the Black Death. George Floyd was murdered…etc

  108. RoatanBill 说:
    @Sparkon

    有人将不得不亲自走到墙上并植入形状电荷。 五角大楼到处都有摄像头。 不是每个人都参与犯罪,因此任何试图采取这种行动的人都有可能被抓获和审问。

    Additionally, a shape charge is a tremendous amount of force in a small area. It’s designed to basically cut through steel, not take out a wall via a huge hole you could drive a truck through. A shape charge is inappropriate for the damage observed.

    A missile can be launched surreptitiously to hit a target and no one at the target would have any knowledge and certainly no time to react against it. A missile is the perfect choice as it avoids any security issues and is designed to blow a large hole in whatever it hits.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  109. Iris 说:
    @Sarah

    我没有找到上半部分斜着进入虚空而下半部分仍然站立的图片:谁能向我解释为什么这个下半部分会倒塌?

    It is a picture of the South Tower collapsing and it is genuine. You can find it on this webpage:

    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/199-news-media-events-60-structural-engineers

    The reason why the top of the South Tower seemed to be tilting while falling is because the top section was less disintegrated than the lower section. The former was still holding together to a certain extent, while the latter underneath it had been more thoroughly pulverised.

    This is perfectly understandable: the Tower was disintegrated by a supersonic pressure shockwave, produced by an underground nuclear detonation.
    A shockwave decreases in reverse ratio of the square of the distance from the explosion centre (1/r2): the further from the explosion centre, the weaker the shockwave. Hence the bottom part of the South Tower was much more destroyed than the top, and gave way faster.

    Another paradoxically similar conclusion can be made about the telecom antenna collapsing ahead of the North Tower on which it was standing.
    This time, a component located furthest from the explosion centre was disintegrated and collapsed first, but this is logical too, because the antenna was much less solid and sturdy than structural steel, offered lesser resistance to the shockwave and was therefore more quickly and thoroughly dustified.

    • 谢谢: Sarah
    • 回复: @Sarah
  110. John1955 说:

    对世界贸易中心崩溃的结构性重新评估7

    https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    “我们研究的主要结论是,火灾并未导致 WTC 7 于 9 月 11 日倒塌,这与 NIST 和研究倒塌的私人工程公司的结论相反。 我们研究的第二个结论是,WTC 7 的倒塌是一场全球性的失败,涉及建筑物中每根柱子的几乎同时失败。”

    “A global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building”= controlled demolition 😁

    Thank you,University of Alaska !!!

  111. El Dato 说:
    @Iris

    Once the smokescreen had been established with all these secondary explosions, the real demolition scheme was triggered, using a much more potent method: the detonation of an underground nuclear charge under each building, carried out as per the standard methods of underground nuclear testing.

    Nothing seen in base reality corresponds to such a scenario.

    PROTIP: If you blow a nuke in LOWER MANHATTAN, you will get a lot of radioactive dust, molten cables and piping, manholes blown out by SEVERELY HEATED water and soil, sewer/metro infrastructure going pop multiple blocks away and a suddenly absent underground garage into which the WTC will settle directly after having made its best impression of a champagne bottle cork.

    LOWER MANHATTAN is not the Mojave desert.

    From Wikipedia, this is how this looks

    Enough of this crazyness, let’s have something solid

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  112. JimDandy 说:
    @mcohen

    Um… what the hell are you even talking about? Your link has nothing to do with the Mossad agents colloquially known as “The Dancing Israelis”. You’re trying to spread some of the weakest hasbara sauce I’ve ever seen.

  113. Sparkon 说:
    @RoatanBill

    有人将不得不亲自走到墙上并植入形状电荷。 五角大楼到处都有摄像头。 不是每个人都参与犯罪,因此任何试图采取这种行动的人都有可能被抓获和审问。

    N不是真的,放置炸弹的区域最近进行了重大整修,因此有足够的机会偷偷放置炸药。

    估计有 800 人在 11 月 4,500 日上午发生撞击的五角大楼部分或“楔形”工作,这远远少于正常情况。 幸运的是,这个楔子最近经历了一次大修,只有一小部分工人搬回了他们的办公室。 如果那天飞机撞到了大楼的任何其他部分,那么飞行路径上可能有多达 XNUMX 名五角大楼员工。

    https://www.history.com/news/pentagon-design-september-11-attacks

    In any event, as I’ve already explained to you, no missile was tracked approaching the Pentagon on 9/11. It didn’t happen. There was no missile.

    • 回复: @Agent76
    , @David Parker
  114. @Wizard of Oz

    “then the weight of the floors above caused pancaking failure below”

    Then were was the pancake that one sees in almost every building collapse I’ve ever seen? Stack of floors sitting on top of each other.

    There is a video i watched years ago that I can’t seem to find now (go figure) of a fireman saying

    “all there was is dust, I didn’t find a chair, I didn’t find desk all I found was a partial piece of a phone number pad”

    这些是如何实现的?

    最后。 如果上面的楼层在坍塌发生时粉碎下面的楼层并且上面有 25 层,那么当上面的 25 层每层都粉碎下面的 25 层时,能量从哪里来,一旦能量从现在开始继续粉碎更多的楼层25楼以上都粉了?

    p.s. NIST claims that building 7 collapsed due to “office furnishings fires” so where are the new building codes to reflect that an office furnishings fire can collapse a 50 story building straight down at freefall speed in it’s own footprint?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  115. niceland 说:
    @John1955

    Is there a FEM model of collapsing WTC somewhere out there which I can download and play with ?

    I don’t know, I find it unlikely.

    The FEA model I was referring to was the heat analysis in and around the crash site as seen in the first report(s) from NIST. According to the model there was enough heat to weaken the core columns enough to cause the collapse. At the time, even if I had access to FEA software – I didn’t have the necessary data to run any meaningful analysis. That was the problem, including the time needed, not lack of software.

    This was 18 years ago, give or take. I have not been paying much attention since.

    • 回复: @John1955
  116. Sarah 说:
    @Iris

    Well, but what about the core still standing after collapsing of the floors (see last video) ?

    Nuclear bomb (in the underground) : it seems to me much too powerful and would have left a strong radioactivity.

    Moreover, two surviving witnesses testified in front of the cameras if they were in the basement at the time of the underground explosion, including a black man not far from the explosion, who was injured in the face. Is it possible that an atomic bomb exploded a few dozen meters from him without killing him?

    • 谢谢: Iris
    • 回复: @Iris
  117. John1955 说:
    @niceland

    谢谢

    Looks like University of Alaska confirms with 234GB of downloadable FEM data what everybody was dimly aware of since 9/11

    https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    ““The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”

    I guess I need the latest computer and Win11…
    If it is not yet another conspiracy I dont know what is 😀

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
    , @niceland
  118. @Franz

    ((Jews)) — now ((Jews, Inc)) — planned to profit off this crime for decades and even centuries, as they’ve profited on WW1, WW2, the “Holocaust,” etc. for over a century.

    记住 ((neocons)) 的说法 我们的后代将歌颂我们 at the outset of the “War in Terror”? Remember how they claimed the War on Terror would be multi-generational?

    现在,他们的子孙后代将诅咒他们。 事实上,这可能完全是 ((Jews, Inc)) 的终结,甚至可能是 ((Jewry)) 本身的终结。

    自从基督被钉十字架以来,((犹太人))还没有给自己这样的黑眼圈。

    • 回复: @Henny
  119. Agent76 说:
    @Sparkon

    This clip does not lie like The Joint Chiefs and their coup!

    9/11 事实:五角大楼被美国军火库的巡航导弹击中

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  120. @John1955

    As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, that paper is just an attempt to salvage the “Building 7 fell in 7!” hoax by casually acknowledging that the east penthouse began collapsing 6.9 seconds before the more commonly shown collapse of the northwest roofing began and then claiming that it doesn’t matter. The reality is that once we acknowledge that the collapse began with the east penthouse then the whole “free fall collapse” hoax is blown.

    • 巨魔: mulga mumblebrain
  121. Samala 说:

    “WTC-7 went straight down into its own footprint…” I imagine this the result of what is called gravity. What footprint do you imagine it would go down into? Do you imagine the building was going to hop across the street and then collapse? Do you think it would fall laterally as if some giant wrecking ball hit it?

    • 巨魔: mulga mumblebrain
  122. @Ron Unz

    Why would the people who supposedly control the media and Hollywood produce a “crude” fake? I’ve watched totally realistic looking alien worlds be explored, dead actors play new parts just as if they were still alive and whole cities seamlessly destroyed. If that video was faked, which one credible journalist reckons it was, then Al Qaeda likely did it themselves for propaganda purposes. The true answer is more likely that the video was crudely put together and not faked. You can read some people who actually have relevant expertise discussing it here. Notice how they are completely unpeturbed. Real experts expect inconsistencies and phenomena that are hard to explain, because that’s life. Only amateur sleuths think everything that isn’t easily understood is a conspiracy.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21530470

  123. Of course the reality of Judaic control of the West (in the UK the Conservatives are better known as the ‘Torah’ Party, every single creature being a member of The Conservative Friends of Israel and the villainous Starmer, persecutor of Assange, is raising his children as Jews)brings us to the question-to what end? And where will it actually end, and in what cataclysm for us all?
    Plainly Jews have practised certain ways of being in the world, over millennia, characterised by xenophobic hatred, misanthropy, delusions of absolute superiority and supremacism and neurotic fearfulness, that have not endeared them to the rest of humanity. Many Jews gave up on that way of life, converting to other religions, or simply walking away from the tribe etc, but others held on to their cult with ferocious determination. The numerous incidents of crypto-Jews holding onto their cult, at the risk even of death, in secret, generation after generation, inspire admiration, mixed with trepidation.
    Centuries of such behaviour, and the culling, often violently, of apostates, plus rigorous endogamy have surely had a genetic and possibly an epigenetic effect on the collective. The Judaic elite, now that they hold total power (just look at the yeshiva that is Bidet’s inner cabinet)in the USA and can pull off abominations like 9/11, then get their pet bull-dogs in the West to slaughter millions of innocents and destroy whole countries that ‘got in the way’ of Eretz Yisrael, are running out of projects. I’m convinced that destroying China, the last real obstacle to their final ambition, total domination of the entire planet, is next off the starting-blocks. The most rabid Sinophobes here are all Zionazi Jews or well-known Sabbat Goyim with a predilection for groveling subservience to the Chosen Ones. I simply do not believe that the Judaic elites have any appetite for living in peace with the rest of humanity. Their very being is hatred, contention, rage and vengefulness.

    • 同意: annamaria
  124. @interesting

    I’m sorry but I don’t have time to waste dealing with every comment which consists of someone chipping in with a half remembered factoid based on misunderstanding. The buildings weren’t pulverised and large beams were thrown up to 100 metres sideways in the collapse.

    • 回复: @interesting
  125. @RedpilledAF

    The ENTIRE USA is run for the financial interests. Whether they are Jews or Zoroasterians is, in the first instance, irrelevant. Thereafter it becomes highly pertinent.

  126. Sparkon 说:
    @Agent76

    Cruise missiles cannot and do not run along the ground, and nobody at or near the Pentagon on 9/11 reported seeing anything like this, so obviously your video is fake.

  127. @bike-anarkist

    剪掉杂草,旋转一下灰色的小细胞。

    • 回复: @bike-anarkist
  128. @Truth Vigilante

    Oz is our resident dunce troll. Obviously Austfailian, he reminds me a lot of the arthropods who infest the Murdoch cancer, the flag-shit of which is ‘The Australian’, colloquially known as ‘The Oz’.

    • 谢谢: Truth Vigilante
  129. macilrae 说:

    There is no doubt that the nature of the collapse of all three buildings emphatically suggests a skillfully executed controlled demolition.

    However – please contemplate the sheer scale of what had to be done – starting with the recruitment and training of the Saudis who hijacked and flew the planes; then the covert operation to supply, transport and place the massive quantity of explosives – not to mention the skills required to achieve such spectacular and deadly results. Thereafter, consider the number of persons who would have necessarily been involved to ensure the cover up – starting with those who provided and also gathered evidence in the following months – and allegedly withheld, suppressed or destroyed it. Then consider the 9/11 commission members and all their bloated staff who were charged to support a theory that defied technical belief and, finally, consider how the media acted so smoothly, universally and effectively to control the official story and to work underground to suppress, so far as possible, competing theories – steadfastly holding to that official position until this very day.

    Can you imagine how many people would, at the very least, have realized that something very fishy was going on? Can you also imagine the sheer numbers of individuals who would have 民政事务总署 to know the most incriminating details of how the thing was done? Can that many people be silenced and not – albeit on their death-beds – eventually come to recount the true story?

    The ability of a plot on this scale to succeed is 几乎 as incredible as the story it was designed to support.

    But, no, not quite.

    Although twenty years have passed and memories have faded, evidence grown cold, it will take a massive effort to sustain the original narrative if a new inquiry is conducted.

  130. @Truth Vigilante

    Well you certainly do reinforce my picture of you as a blathering talker who remains oblivious to people’s attempts to interrupt the flow and correct your stupidity.

    If you knew the point was about the weakening of steel why did you go on about the melting point?

    You quote no support for you erroneous view that the steel could not have been relevantly weakened in your long effusion. But I simply Google “at what temperature does structural steel fail,?”

    and the fist item was

    ‘It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C. This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse.”

    As you were saying….?

  131. anon[341]• 免责声明 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    The outer frame of the building was the skeleton. The plane penetrated one end of the skeleton, and the plane blew up completely due to going at a high speed. The intense heat melted the rivets that hold up the floors. Once the floors collapsed, the weight of the upper floors then pan caked down on the lower floors. Kind of like a mine collapse. That’s the basic concept.
    Previous building constructions had the center being the skeletal spine of the building. Those probably would have toppled. These towers had their outer skeleton intact until the plane exploded in them and the floors collapsed.

    • 谢谢: Wizard of Oz
  132. harfang67 说:

    I just want to congratulate you for this post . Just overhelming, something like Ron Unz’s latest post on the matter. Really anxious to read you on the strategy for future actions. Very, very serious stuff.
    Thanks again. Keep me on your distribution list.
    When people like you and others start standing up, it’s quite encouraging. Whe’re living historical moments. Suffice it we read the old Testament, the prophets.

    让 - 玛丽

  133. Anon[283]• 免责声明 说:

    It was a US (only) false flag

  134. @Ray Caruso

    他们的第一个大谎言距离 2000 年前还差得远。

  135. Five men detained as suspected conspirators

    周三,九月12 2001;

    By PAULO LIMA
    员工作家

    [更多]

    About eight hours after terrorists struck Manhattan’s tallest skyscrapers, police in Bergen County detained five men who they said were found carrying maps linking them to the blasts.

    The five men, who were in a van stopped on Route 3 in East Rutherford around 4:30 p.m., were being questioned by police but had not been charged with any crime late Tuesday. The Bergen County Police bomb squad X-rayed packages found inside the van but did not find any explosives, authorities said.

    However, sources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot.

    “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,” the source said. “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

    Sources also said that bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if they had detected explosives, although officers were unable to find anything. The FBI seized the van for further testing, authorities said.

    Sources said the van was stopped as it headed east on Route 3, between the Hackensack River bridge and the Sheraton hotel. As a precaution, police shut down Route 3 traffic in both directions after the stop and evacuated a small roadside motel near the Sheraton.

    Sources close to the investigation said the men said they were Israeli tourists, but police had not been able to confirm their identities. Authorities would not release their names.

    East Rutherford officers stopped the van after the FBI’s Newark Field Office broadcast an alert asking surrounding police departments to look for a white Chevrolet van, police said.

    “We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side,” said Bergen County Police Chief John Schmidig. “Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.”

    The East Rutherford officers summoned the county police bomb squad, New Jersey state troopers, and FBI agents, who waited alongside the van as prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office tried to obtain a warrant to search the van late Tuesday, Schmidig said.

    By 10 p.m., members of the bomb squad were picking through the van and X-raying packages found inside, Schmidig said.

    Sources said the FBI alert, known as a BOLO or “Be On Lookout,” was sent out at 3:31 p.m.

    它写道:

    “Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center.

    “Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.”

    FBI spokeswoman Sandra Carroll declined to comment on the incident late Tuesday.

    State police Lt. Col. Barry W. Roberson confirmed the traffic stop at a late night news briefing at state police headquarters in Trenton. He would not elaborate, however.

    Business records show an Urban Moving Systems with offices on West 50th Street in Manhattan and on West 18th Street in Weehawken. Telephone messages left at the businesses Tuesday evening were not immediately returned.

    Business records show the owner as Dominik Suter of Fair Lawn. A woman answering the telephone at Suter’s home acknowledged he owned the company but refused to comment further. She also declined to identify herself.

    It was not clear Tuesday whether the van stopped by police is related to Suter’s company.

    A business traveler staying at the Homestead Studio Suites Hotel said she watched state troopers drive the suspects away in a procession of state police cars about 5 p.m.

    The woman, who asked not to be identified, said the people detained appeared to be white men, but she could not give more details. About 5:30 p.m., police evacuated the hotel without offering guests an explanation.

    “First, they told us we could hang out in the lobby, but then they told us we had to leave,” the traveler said.

    At 10 p.m., the hotel guest said she could see at least two police officers searching through the van while a crowd of other officers kept their distance. Except for police vehicles and a tow truck, the service road beside Route 3 was empty, she said.

    Staff Writer Wendy Ruderman contributed to this report. Staff Writer Paulo Lima’s e-mail address is [电子邮件保护]

    http://web.archive.org/web/20011108025936/http://www.bergen.com/news/2bombvan200109125.htm

  136. Alden 说:
    @dms578

    考虑来源。 今天是退伍军人

  137. Alden 说:
    @El Dato

    Excellent point about where NYPD would store explosives. Not in anywhere in Manhattan. Probably not anywhere in the city. Probably a rural area in New Jersey. Why would they keep it at all?

    I think testimony by expert witnesses would be sufficient for a trial or plea bargain. I can’t see bringing even a pound of explosives into a court room. It would never happen. An expert would be needed to transport and carry it around.

  138. niceland 说:
    @John1955

    Interesting, but I will pass, it would take way too much time and effort to get back up to speed on FEM, not to mention to study the collapse. I will just take their word for it. And remember they were paid over \$300.000 by A&E for 911 truth.

    I currently have no opinion as to what happened to WTC 7. It looks like collateral damage. The Towers were important target, a kind of a symbol of might, known worldwide while hardly anyone knew WTC 7 existed. Why bother destroying it? It didn’t add much to the show, wasn’t high profile target.

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  139. Biff 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    谢谢

    And worth repeating:

    不懂科学的人会反驳说:

    ‘Oh, but you have to bear in mind that the multiple floors above the impact came crashing down as one big block and precipitated the pancake collapse.

    再一次,没有机会发生这种情况。

    The building was designed in such a way, as all modern buildings* are (*ie: built in the last 100 years or so), to incorporate a ‘Redundancy Factor of Safety’.

    In other words, let’s take the plane impact into the Sth Tower as an example, where the strike zone was around the 80-85th floor.

    第 85 层的钢结构构件的设计不仅可以承受其上方 25 层(每栋建筑为 110 层)的重量,还可以承受 4 或 5 倍的预期可能负载。

    In other words, they were over-engineered – to incorporate a SAFETY FACTOR.

    这意味着它们可以承受比正常情况下预期的要多得多的负载。

    So, even if the upper 25 floors came crashing down onto the 85th floor as one giant monolithic block (they didn’t – they were blown up), this would have NO EFFECT on the floors below.

    我会更进一步。

    Not only would the floors below the impact zone be unaffected but, absent any other external input, the entirety of the building below the point of impact would’ve stood for centuries before collapsing of their own accord due to accumulated weather events, erosion and corrosion.

  140. http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744

    ODIGO SAYS WORKERS WERE WARNED OF ATTACK
    By Yuval Dror

    即时通讯服务 Odigo 表示,其两名员工在 11 月 XNUMX 日双子塔袭击事件发生前两小时收到消息,预测袭击会发生,该公司一直在与包括 FBI 在内的以色列和美国执法部门合作,试图找到预测攻击的消息的原始发送者。

    Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the attack informed the company’s management, which immediately contacted Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI. “I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don’t know the sender. …….And I don’t know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made,” said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  141. dimples 说:
    @skrik

    Well I agree about the most important video of the collapses to look at, not Sabrosky’s title image.

  142. @Wizard of Oz

    https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/concrete.html

    Both reports of workers at Ground Zero and photographs of the area attest to the thoroughness of the pulverization of the concrete and other non-metallic solids in the towers. 3 An examination of our extensive archives of images of Ground Zero and its immediate surroundings reveals no recognizable objects such as slabs of concrete, glass, doors, or office furniture.

    That was just a random search result but the pulverization of the towers was all the rage for days and weeks after the event.

    “and large beams were thrown up to 100 meters sideways”

    AND so you are making a case for preplanned explosives in the building?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  143. @mcohen

    任何与 snopes 相关联的人都是同性恋智障

  144. Ed Case 说:
    @Robert Bruce

    What set off the contraband explosives though?

    Demolition charges placed throughout the building?
    只是想有所帮助。

  145. tanabear 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    钢的熔点与发生的事情无关。 热使钢变弱。

    Okay, but you have to explain how the weakening of the steel led to the collapse of WTC1,2 and 7. The weakening of the steel is just the starting point. What steel was weakened, trusses, columns, girders, floor beams etc, and by how much? There have many numerous fires in steel-framed high-rises and none have ever led to collapse before. The steel was weakened in all of them but heavily redundant structures don’t collapse because a few steel columns get hot. But let’s look at actual data. How hot did the core and perimeter columns get in World Trade Towers 1 and 2? NIST did analysis to determine the temperatures the core and perimeter columns reached during the event.

    Of the more than 170 areas examined on 16 perimeter column panels, only three columns had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250ºC[482F]… Only two core column specimens had sufficient paint remaining to make such an analysis, and their temperatures did not reach 250 ºC[482F]. … Using metallographic analysis, NIST determined that there was no evidence that any of the samples had reached temperatures above 600 ºC[1112F]设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    So there is no evidence that the fires were hot enough to weaken the steel. So even your starting point, the heat weakened the steel, is without foundation.

    • 同意: Verymuchalive
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Wizard of Oz
  146. @interesting

    Polite! On a UR thread full of confident blowhards uttering their brainfarts! Wow! Thanks..

    It is a long time since I studied physics and, though I mastered it to the level I reached (pre Standard Model I’m afraid: Newton rather than Einstein) I van only humbly suggest that the steel members were thrown sideways by a combination of vertical force vectors from the kinetic energy of the collapsing floors above and the lateral element in the vectors produced by the small resistance reflected in the extent to which the structure was resisting free fall.

    I’m afraid I know nothing about the mechanics of pulverization but accept that if you give many, if not most, solid objects or structures a very high pressure, high frequency, percussive treatment they will fall apart though at varying thresholds.

  147. Silas Moon 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    查看瑞安道森的纪录片“帝国揭开面具”。 这是对证据的不拘一格的检查。

  148. @tanabear

    You are behind the action. You missed #135 where you could have read a *合理* 权威性

    ‘It is known that structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C. This is why steel is stress relieved in this temperature range. But even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, by itself, to explain the WTC collapse.”

    Oops! I had missed somehow the negative in the last sentence. Still, I invite you to advance my education by telling me what building your NIST quote applied to and what was said about the others. I guess WTC 7 if it is a true and fair quote.

    Clearly the collapse of the Towers had to be the result either of weakening support plus gravitational kinetic energy or demolition of key supporting members so lead me please to the explanation that it wasn’t demolition if you are pushing the view that the temperatures didn’t get high enough.

    One of the reasons that I tend to reject the idea that cunning plotters would have preloaded the Towers with explosives is the devastating consequences of one of the aircraft aimed at NY failing to hit its target, or even just to fail to hit at a level that allowed the demolition to be plausible. I presume you are not going to claim that remote control , in 2001, would have absolutely ensured there was no risk. The principal risk therefore would have been that the explosives would have been found after the failed attack. Especially if one tower was down the other would have been carefully inspected. Who would count on none of the installers of explosives leaving DNA traces and no CCTV cameras having recorded vans turning up at odd hours with something that was unloaded in the Towers?

    • 回复: @tanabear
  149. @tanabear

    Too late to add something to what I have just sent, so I add here a link to a Populat Mechanics update only 2 days old

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/

    I am about to read it

    I got it by Googling “did fire weakened the WTC steel structures” and there is more that you might care to look at.

  150. JWalters 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Thanks. The false story of WWII is a major deception that needs to be corrected in the public understanding. The scope of the criminality is hard to believe at first (it was for me; a series of shocks). But when enough key evidence sinks in, a lot of the world makes a lot more sense.

  151. JWalters 说:
    @annamaria

    “The problem for Jews at large is the inordinate presence of psychopaths and neurotics among their ranks. ”

    说得好,谢谢。

  152. eah 说:
    @dimples

    Can the author provide evidence that the Dancing Israelis were actually there before the first plane hit? … were they dumb enough to turn up before the actual event started?

    archive.org/Dancing Israelis Police and FBI Reports 9/11/01

    At the link above you can find copies of related police and (somewhat redacted) FBI reports.

    Whitney Webb/The Dancing Israelis: FBI Docs对明显的Mossad的9/11攻击机率有所了解

    Shortly after 8:46 a.m. on the day of the attacks, just minutes after the first plane struck the World Trade Center, five men — later revealed to be Israeli nationals — had positioned themselves in the parking lot of the Doric Apartment Complex in Union City, New Jersey, where they were seen taking pictures and filming the attacks while also celebrating the destruction of the towers and “high fiving” each other. At least one eyewitness interviewed by the FBI had seen the Israelis’ van in the parking lot as early as 8:00 a.m. that day, more than 40 minutes prior to the attack. The story received coverage in U.S. mainstream media at the time but has since been largely forgotten.

    In the paragraph I excerpt, she provides a link in the police/FBI reports for ‘one eyewitness’ — I omit a couple other links to media reports at the time about the ‘dancing Israelis’ — read her article to find/follow those links.

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
    , @eah
  153. @El Dato

    I can’t agree more. There is no evidence of nuclear weapons, tactical or otherwise.

    In fact that “nuke” idea is so dumb that I suspect it’s just engineered interference to make 9/11 interestees look cooky and fringe.

    Some of it, no doubt, is being promoted by hasbara trolls for this very purpose.

    • 巨魔: Iris
  154. @DirtyHarriet

    Unfortunately the Haaretz piece leaves out the fact that these were 2 workers in Israel, nowhere near the WTC. Alex Diamandis, who was then Odigo’s VP in sales and marketing, confirmed that 2 Israeli workers had received a comment which said nothing at all about the World Trade Center but merely gave some cryptic claims:

    “Without going into details the message was most noteworthy due to the timing, not due to the substance of the ‘warning.’ It could easily be coincidence.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20081019203305/http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/8471_893851

    Note that it was employees at the satellite office in Israel who received the claim, not anyone in New York. The warning did not mention the WTC or any other specific target.

    • 回复: @mulga mumblebrain
  155. @niceland

    That 300k figure is most interesting. Where did you get it from? I looked over their paper a few times and what stood out to me was the way they calmly mentioned the collapse of the east penthouse starting 6.9 seconds before the north roof began to descend, only to quietly paper the issue over as “nothing to see here folks, move along!”

    It warrants repeated emphasis that the classical error made among 911truthers about WTC 7 was that they focused upon a video which is centered on the north side of the building. From looking at just this video alone one can easily get the misimpression that WTC 7 collapsed within less than 7 seconds. If true this would be strong evidence that demolition charges brought the building down. It is very difficult to imagine how such a collapse could occur in only 7 seconds with bombs being used at multiple levels to bring it down.

    However the seismographic readings of 911 had always given a longer collapse-time of 18 seconds for WTC 7. This was a bit odd, but seemed easy to wave away in the absence of any other evidence. Eventually however more videos began to emerge which showed that the whole east penthouse had started coming down about 7 seconds prior to the descent of the north rooftop. Once that was recognized it was suddenly clear that video evidence showed that the collapse was taking at least 14 seconds while the seismographs had given 18 seconds. From that point on it was obvious that there wasn’t much of a case to be made around Building 7.

    That specific paper seems more like an effort to refurbish the old misreports of a 7-second collapse by quietly admitting that, yes, the east penthouse did start coming down 6.9 seconds before the rest of the building, but it doesn’t matter because the rest of the building came down in 7 seconds. But actually, once we allow that the overall collapse had started 6.9 seconds before we thought, it is suddenly a brand new ball game. Every attempt to claim that the collapse which we see happening from the north rooftop could not have occurred within 7 seconds is now undermined because we actually know that a collapse was already well underway by the time the north rooftop starts to visibly descend.

    • 回复: @niceland
  156. eah 说:

    NIST itself rhetorically disavows the ‘pancake theory’ (链接):

    根据其综合调查,NIST 得出结论: 根据对问题 11 的答复中详述的情景,世贸中心塔楼倒塌.

    NIST的发现不支持崩溃的“煎饼理论”, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers …

    11. 世贸中心一号和世贸中心二期倒塌的原因是什么?
    1. 飞机的冲击使支撑柱断裂和损坏,钢地板桁架和钢柱的防火绝缘涂层脱落,飞机燃料广泛散布在多个楼层; 和
    2. 随后异常大量的喷气燃料点燃了多层火灾(温度高达 1,000 摄氏度,或 1,800 华氏度)显着削弱了地板和柱子,防火层脱落,地板下垂并向内拉在周边柱子上。 这导致周边柱子向内弯曲,世贸中心 1 号南面和世贸中心 2 号东面发生故障,导致每座塔楼倒塌。

    ? — ‘detailed’.

    So the NIST explanation is basically the ‘pancake theory’; they just don’t call it that — they point to structural and fire damage, which occurred on only a few floors — then they talk about ‘the load from a collapsing floor being applied suddenly’ (to floors below presumably), and ‘the dynamic amplification factor for a suddenly applied load is 2’ — what is that if not the ‘pancake theory’? — of course they need to invoke a ‘suddenly applied load’ and a ‘dynamic amplification factor’ because obviously any floor of a tower is designed to support the weight of all the floors above (and then some).

    所以NIST关于塔的报告是一团乱麻的挥手。

    两座塔倒塌的一个显着特征是巨大的滚滚/翻滚的尘埃云形成 立即 around the collapsing towers — on their FAQ page (链接), here’s 所有 NIST 谈到灰尘:

    … photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until 尘云遮住了视线.

    这么多灰尘是哪里来的? — the only possible source is 粉碎浇筑的混凝土地板 — but NIST says nothing about the amount of force/energy needed to pulverize concrete and form huge billowing clouds of dust like that, and where that energy may have come from.

    如果有的话,NIST和Popular Mechanics都更加不诚实 WTC-7 完全对称的全球坍塌 (大卫·钱德勒相当令人信服地表明这相当于自由落体, 链接):

    AUG 1, 2017 — Popular Mechanics/World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest

    报告总结说,仅是火灾就摧毁了建筑物,并指出关键结构构件的热膨胀是罪魁祸首。

    WTC-7 had only localized fires and some superficial external structural damage caused by falling tower debris — but also here NIST just waves its hands and says ‘thermal expansion of key structural members’ was the cause of the symmetrical global collapse.

    • 回复: @JLK
  157. Anon[159]• 免责声明 说:

    Been saying this for years…

    Rebuild the Twin Towers (outside of Jew control) and crash 767’s into them every day.

    After a week, and the Towers are still standing, watch the Tide Turn.

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @ChinaCatSunflower
  158. LondonBob 说:

    I wonder if the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania wasn’t meant to hit WTC 7, it is an odd anomaly. I don’t know enough myself but is there any support to the claim the plane was destined for DC and the White House?

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  159. saggy 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    When he was interviewed on CNN, he said those later tapes were obvious fakes, and the individual shown was certainly not Bin Laden:

    And you’re convinced? That was easy.

    I found this …

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80327&page=1

    Dec. 14, 2001 — A day after the United States released a translated videotape that showed Osama bin Laden rejoicing over the Sept. 11 attacks,

    So the tape surfaced early. This argues against it being a fake.

    The tape shows bin Laden at a dinner speaking to a gathering of his associates and well-wishers, who are off camera. However, seated to his right on camera was Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian doctor who is bin Laden’s closest adviser, and to bin Laden’s left, also on camera, was a visiting Saudi sheikh.

    A senior U.S. intelligence official told ABNCEWS today that based on information provided by the Saudi government, U.S. officials believe Saudi sheik’s last name is al Ghamdi. U.S. officials believe the sheikh’s first name may be Suleiman.
    ...
    In the tape, al Ghamdi periodically praises bin Laden for “a great job”
    ...
    Senior al Qaeda spokesman Abu Ghaith also appears in the tape

    .

    BUYOUT identifies the sheik as Saudi Arabian Sheik Shaykh Al Ghamdi

    So there are three others id’ed in the vid, and …. it doesn’t look staged to me … and the fellow does look like OBL to me …

    I’d previously thought it very unlikely that Bin Laden was the mastermind of, or sponsored, 9/11, but this tape I believe is evidence that he was.

    It is slightly remarkable that the tape is so hard to find on the internet, and so little has been written about it (that I can find.)

    Calling it a fake because the fellow doesn’t look like Bin Laden is far from being convincing.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  160. Sparkon 说:
    @saggy

    So the tape surfaced early. This argues against it being a fake.

    How so? “Early” is a vague word. In fact, Dec. 14, 2001 is more than 2 months after 9/11, providing ample opportunity for the plotters to arrange for some phonies to dress up and play make believe, just like Hollywood, although Central Casting always does a much more convincing job finding believable actors for the part.

    Calling it a fake because the fellow doesn’t look like Bin Laden is far from being convincing.

    Only to you. For the rest of us, the fact that the guy in the video looks nothing like Osama bin Laden makes identifying the video as phony an easy slam dunk.

  161. Tjoe 说:

    希尔达和爱泼斯坦的工作人员设立了莫妮卡,塔台拆除等的计划,在我们眼睁睁地看着比尔被驱逐出境时登上了美国政府的最高层。 比尔公开暴露他的性瘾(希尔达证明她无法满足他)是实施 911 计划的掩护。 她讨厌比尔的花言巧语。 希尔达当时是内线(政变),作为纽约参议员,她在他们需要的内部通道方面处于关键位置。 作为回报,他们答应她担任总统。

    他们未能及早阻止奥巴马,希尔达为此付出了代价……在初选中输掉了选举。 想象一下帮助 正在卷轴谋杀这么多美国人,然后没有得到付款! 她的心必须在恶业中搅动。 所以他们把她作为党卫军,在那里可以为克林顿基金会和(乌克兰)拜登家族提供一笔意外之财。 乔在美国的使命从未失败,但他建立了他的家人,如布里斯马和中国。

    然后不可思议的事情发生了......特朗普。 特朗普完全被美国的卷轴资产所忽视。 谁会想到一个失败的赌场开发商,就像他成功成为总统一样? 摩萨德肯定没有。 证据是比尔总统有 29 次去操弄孩子,而特朗普只有 1 次。 让希尔达成为地球女王(总统)的计划再次被美国人民挫败。 卷轴会确保不会再发生这种情况,但希尔达是损坏的货物……赢不了所以会作为傀儡大师躲起来。

  162. Iris 说:
    @Anon

    Rebuild the Twin Towers (outside of Jew control) and crash 767’s into them every day.

    I think we already have a real-life example, and that is the fire at Notre-Dame-de-Paris.

    The wood making the roof structure burnt for 8 hours, engulfing the flimsy temporary scaffolding, made of ordinary, light and hollow, galvanised steel poles, fitted for temporary repairs.

    This flimsy scaffolding burnt for an astonishing 8 hours, and yet came out unscathed.

    So according to NIST and to the Zionist militants on this thread, a fire in NYC was able to collapse a sturdy structural structure in just 1 hour, twice, while a fire raging for 8 hours in Paris could not bring down a hollow temporary scaffolding.

    The official 9/11 narrative is just in-your-face bullying and insult to ordinary people’s common sense, let alone science. No wonder every opinion poll on the subject found that a majority of people believe it to be a sham.

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @eah
  163. tanabear 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Still, I invite you to advance my education by telling me what building your NIST quote applied to and what was said about the others. I guess WTC 7 if it is a true and fair quote.

    It is in reference to WTC 1 and 2, not WTC7. There was only one piece of steel, that we know about, that was saved from WTC7.

    Clearly the collapse of the Towers had to be the result either of weakening support plus gravitational kinetic energy or demolition of key supporting members so lead me please to the explanation that it wasn’t demolition if you are pushing the view that the temperatures didn’t get high enough.

    So what have been some of the explanations given for the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 that can be made consistent with the official story?

    1) Column failure due to high temperatures. This explanation was put forward by Zdenek Bazant in a paper (Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis) submitted on 09/13/2001, just two days after the attacks. The columns were heated to such a high degree that they lost their load bearing capacity and the building collapsed. “The analysis shows that if prolonged heating caused the majority of columns of a single floor to lose their load carrying capacity, the whole tower was doomed设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    2) Truss Failure/Pancake collapse. This explanation was supported by FEMA’s WTC Building Performance Study, Professor Thomas Eagar and became popular through the NOVA documentary and Popular Mechanics. Truss failure is considered to be the initiating event for the pancake collapse. The trusses broke away from their connections to the columns and floors pancaked down upon each other. If you still hear the term “pancake collapse”, that is where it comes from

    3) Column failure/Pile-driver hypothesis. The current official explanation comes from NIST. They disagreed with the FEMA report that truss failure was the initiating event. It was column failure but not due to high column temperatures as Bazant had initially suggested. The initiating event was the inward bowing of the perimeter columns due to the catenary action of the sagging floor trusses. So the trusses maintained their connections to the perimeter columns; they sagged up to 42 inches, pulled the perimeter columns inward until they snapped. NIST actually stops their analysis with the south perimeter wall bowed inward. The report does not actually analyze the collapse. They say that they don’t have to as Bazant showed that once it initiated it would be complete and total. However, Bazant takes his starting point with the top 12 stories (upper block) poised 12 feet or one story above the lower 98 stories (lower block). His explanation is “crush-down crush-up“。

    The problem is that NIST stops their analysis with the south perimeter wall on WTC1 bowed inward. Bazant starts his analysis with a complete separation between the upper and lower block. So the horizontal propagation is left untouched. Each tower had 240 perimeter columns and 47 core columns. The plane impact severed 35 perimeter columns and 6 core columns on WTC1. So there had to be some event that severed the remaining columns. Whatever this event was it had to be of greater severity than the plane impacts themselves. Fires on a couple of floors could not do this. This had to be done by demolition charges/thermite. The fact that the horizontal propagation of column destruction is not examined in any detail by any of the defenders of the official story is quite revealing.

  164. @Wizard of Oz

    好的!

    阅读你的来信开始让我陷入昏迷。
    好的大麻比你的信息更好。

  165. @LondonBob

    Certainly if anyone is going to go for the “controlled demolition” version of 911 then not only must they lean towards something like Flight 93 being intended as a strike on WTC 7 but it also necessary to go for remote control hijacking. If we’re going to say that bombs were planted in the buildings which brought them down, then it makes no sense to just absent mindedly rig up WTC 7 with bombs and forget to set up a fake terror strike on the building. Even if we accept that the damage to WTC 7 was great enough to account for the collapse without needing demolition charges, there would be no way for the conspirators to be sure of such a convincing case without having some kind of hit done on WTC 7.

    But if we really are going to risk allowing jet-planes to fly into buildings which have been rigged up for demolition then we’d better make sure that the plane hits in a spot where no charges will be affected. Think of the possible implications if some silly Arab flies a plane right into a location so that pre-planted bombs are expelled from the structure of the building and dumped out on the street. The local police would be all over it immediately and there would now be a real risk of the plot being uncovered. So the crash of the plane into a building would have to be guided very carefully.

    Some time way back in 2002-5 when I was going through my 911truther phase I remember looking through some articles somewhere which discussed the possibility of being able to electronically take remote control of a plane’s flight. I don’t remember where because I was eventually dissuaded away from the major 911truther claims and stopped trying to keep track of the issue. But something would be absolutely essential to any thesis which attempts to claim that planes were allowed to hit the buildings and then demolition charges were set off. The only alternative anyone has ever been able to suggest is some form of CGI/holograms.

    Back then when I was immersed in 911trutherism I spent a fair amount of time looking over the hologram thesis. Probably the biggest argument which i found against it was WTC 7. The obvious question that came up was that if all of those planes flying in the sky were just fake CGI covering up the controlled demolitions, and if it was really planned to take down WTC 7 as part of the conspiracy, then why not just have another hologram fly into WTC 7 right after the Towers were done? The fact that no one did this seemed to discredit the hologram thesis more than any technical argument could.

    Suddenly it seemed like the only way to explain the failure to have something fly into WTC 7 was to assume that another plane really had been meant to do this but it was somehow stopped and then what happened later in the afternoon with WTC 7 was just improvisation to fill a gap. It was all very interesting but gradually the holes in the thesis became too great.

  166. Iris 说:
    @Sarah

    Thanks for your excellent comment. You raised very interesting points, and the striking video you posted of the North Tower central core collapsing after the floors is a nice slap in the face of both NIST and the “pancacking” theory supporters.

    Moreover, two surviving witnesses testified in front of the cameras if they were in the basement at the time of the underground explosion,

    And these testimonies are supported by dozens of other credible witnesses, firemen in particular, with the reality of these secondary explosions materialised by the lateral ejections of matter clearly seen on videos.

    But there were two different stages in the controlled demolition operation:
    – a first one utilising nanothermite and other conventional, non-nuclear explosives detonating at the top and throughout the building, used to simulate the “plane crash” and ensuing “office fires” planned scenario.

    – then a second stage, that utilised an embedded nuclear demolition feature prepared at construction of the WTC in the 1960’s.

    The Twin Towers’ structures were built as follows: a trapezoidal basin was concreted from street level down to bedrock level at minus 21 metres, to secure a shared footprint from water ingress from the nearby Hudson River. This slurry wall was known as the Bath Tub.

    Then, several holes were drilled 3 metres further down into the bedrock, to plant piles and anchor the considered Twin Tower for stability. In addition to those hole, a borehole was prepared that went much deeper at 75 metres below bedrock level, so about 96 metres below street level.

    This borehole was prepared because future means of demolition were, and still are, mandated by Building Regulations. A modern building has a limited life, typically 100 years, and a demolition method must be defined before construction commences.

    Then the Tower, in practice sat atop the bedrock, was erected onto its anchored piles.
    So the Twin Towers’ basement was constituted by the levels included between street level and bedrock, so a 21 meter layer of floors used for utilities and parking.
    The basement is 不能 where the nuclear detonations were executed.

    After nanothermite and conventional explosives were detonated above street level and in the basement (down to minus 21 metres) to spin the “plane attack/office fires” scenario, another, and incomparably more powerful nuclear charge was detonated in an explosion chamber at -75 metres below bedrock level (or -96 metres below street level), to pulverise the Tower and bring it down.

    • 谢谢: Sarah
    • 回复: @Sarah
  167. @Wizard of Oz

    Either you’re a troll or too stupid to be commenting . Have you even read the article?

  168. niceland 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    It’s right here on the website : https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    资金
    9/11真相的建筑师与工程师
    Project Budget: \$316,153

    I read the NIST report about the WTC7 collapse a long time ago, if I remember correctly I had some quibbles but their version wasn’t unlikely in my view. I remember the building has some damage on the outside from Tower debris, it had considerable fires raging for hours and part of it had been modified reducing structural integrity.

    • 回复: @Iris
  169. @eah

    There doesn’t seem much reason to doubt that these fellows had some kind of advance knowledge of what was going to occur. The issues are rather about what does that really signify? Unfortunately with something like 911trutherism the one set of assertions immediately becomes entangled with a completely set of claims and they can carelessly mixed together. Now it has been generally admitted that not only the Mossad but also the FBI and CIA had enough pieces of information about these 19 Arabs that if we assume there was no inside-job then they should have had a fair chance of catching the plot. For this reason some people have argued that it was pro-immigration politics by Bush II which kept them from being caught. That has some plausibility to it.

    But for simplicity let’s just assume that Mossad agents here in the US had actually unlocked the whole story of what was going down ahead of time. They may in reality have had only fragmented information, but let’s assume that Mossad agents knew everything. At this point in the context of 911trutherism one absolutely needs to clarify “do we believe that there were any Arab hijackers at all?” Depending on how you answer that question the assertion that the Mossad really knew what was up is going to mean different things. If you believe that there were no Arab hijackers then the story about Israelis tracking the hijackers around becomes nonsense. In this case the Israelis could only have had the job of rigging the buildings up with demolition charges and managing the CGI.

    But let’s leave that aside and assume instead that there were real Muslims who were being tracked by the Mossad and the Israelis had simply figured what the Muslim terrorist plot was going to be. In that case then the next logical query to ask “how much if any of this information was conveyed to the Bush administration?” Obviously most people who cite the case of Israeli agents having perhaps tracked down the Arab hijackers tend to talk about in a way which assumes that the Israeli government was keeping everything secret from the US government. But is that assumption really warranted?

    There are obviously some parts of this which will warrant further historical investigations down the road. I can’t myself say anything much. But it does seem perfectly plausible that someone will find eventually that Sharon, Netanyahu et al very well may have given some clear warnings to the Bush II administration, only for these warnings to be ignored. Keep in mind that when governments are sharing information with each other that was obtained through secret service routes it is not uncommon to keep certain things secret. One shouldn’t expect that Sharon or Netanyahu would just spell all of their intelligence sources to Bush II. It would be more logical to expect some carefully worded report which indicates data about a possible coming Arab terror strike but without leaking all of the sources.

    Did the Israeli government ever give such a report to Bush II? If they did, was it listened to? There are a lot of legitimate questions here. But the point is that even when we assume that the Mossad had the whole thing figured out it does not automatically follow that they were the cause of the event. It may eventually be verified that Bush II received a clear sharp warning from the Israeli government and chose to willfully ignore it. If that were true it would explain a lot about the “dancing Israelis” story.

    Whatever the real truth, one interpretation that springs to mind from the story is that some Israelis were really pissed off that the US was not intervening more deeply to fight what they regarded as their enemies and so were happy to see the US be struck by Arab terrorists. But does this mean that those Israeli agents were secretly controlling the Arabs as handlers? No it does not. Does it mean that the Israeli was trying to conceal its information from the US government so that the attack would succeed? Again it does not. Whether or not the Israeli government did convey some serious information to the Bush administration will have to be treated as a matter for further investigation.

    But the nuances here are typically buried under nanothermite charges or guided missiles or some such. Once we start with the assumption that bombs brought the buildings down then it seems obvious that the Israelis didn’t warn anyone or if they did then it was a fake warning. Even if that conclusion were true however, the Dancing Israelis story by itself does not warrant it.

    • 回复: @eah
    , @Robjil
  170. Curmudgeon 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How is it that the of four wings, containing the thousands of gallons of kerosene, of two airplanes, no wing parts were found external to the building? Am I to believe that all four wings cut through the steel girders and spilled no fuel externally? Am I to believe that angle of impact was so perfect that no part of a 767 hit a floor of concrete and steel and would leave no external parts, like the wings the tail?
    Fires in steel structures, not designed to withstand being hit by planes, have not totally collapsed
    https://serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm
    Other buildings have been hit by airplanes and not collapsed, like an El Al 747 cargo plane in Amsterdam.
    Whether one accepts Sabrosky’s theory on the perpetrators, one glaring fact remains: all of the buildings fell at essentially free-fall speed. The official narrative, irrespective of whom was responsible, does not hold water.

    • 谢谢: Sarah
    • 回复: @Charles Martel France
  171. eah 说:
    @Iris

    There are a number of examples of fires engulfing highrise buildings, burning for hours, and no collapse ensued:

    Other Skyscraper Fires

    They are cited as counterexamples to WTC-7.

    NIST attributes the collapse of the towers to structural damage caused by plane impact, as well as effects of the fires fueled by jet fuel — in particular, they claim the impact of the airliners dislodged fire protection from steel columns — of course a 350k pound jetliner crashing into a tower at 500 mph would do some structural damage.

    • 谢谢: Sarah
  172. Iris 说:
    @niceland

    I had some quibbles but their version wasn’t unlikely in my view

    I don’t know what counts as “some quibbles” in your view.

    The core point is that NIST always refused to share the parameters of their simulation and the details of their calculations with civil engineering peers, so their collapse model could be independently verified.

    Conversely, the University of Alaska team under Pr Hulsey have made all their calculation and modelisation public for peer scrutiny, without anyone finding any flaw in their demonstration for over two years now.

    Science is by essence repeatable; if a scientific result cannot be repeated, then it is not science, it is propaganda. Period.

    • 回复: @niceland
  173. Iris 说:
    @Sarah

    再次,非常感谢莎拉:这是一个简短但最非凡的证词,提供了很多思考的食物。

    In summary, a named witness, known to have been employed and present at the North Tower’s basement at the critical time of the attack, has stated that the explosions in the basement have preceded the Tower being attacked by a “plane”. And his testimony is proven true by the terrible scars left onto a colleague wounded by these preliminary explosions.

    由于以下原因,这至少不会让我感到惊讶:炸毁机械室以及备用发电机,将确保操作喷水灭火系统的泵在攻击开始之前就已经停止使用。

    This was done on purpose, so as 不能 to extinguish any fire caused by the planted explosives, and so as to create the “plane crash” illusion and give some substance to the preposterous “office fires-induced collapse” tall tale.

    • 谢谢: Sarah
  174. eah 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Yes, the investigation (such as it was) left many unanswered questions, and they will probably remain unanswered.

    我看 9 / 11委员会 as similar to the 沃伦委员会.

    It’s now clear the goal of the WC 从一开始就 was not necessarily to oversee/conduct a thorough inquiry, but to construct a plausible case that Oswald was the ‘lone assassin’, and then use the prestige of both the WC members as well as its investigative agencies, principally the FBI, to bully the public and the media into accepting this conclusion — in this sense it was a de facto coverup.

    It was similar with the 9/11 Commission, where this time the goal was to blame it on terrorist masterminds and hijackers with box cutters, with NIST (a federal agency) there to give technical cover.

    • 回复: @Iris
  175. Iris 说:
    @eah

    我认为 9/11 委员会类似于沃伦委员会。

    This is a very apt comparison , at the core of which is Israel’s cunning and constant modus operandi.

    In the case of the Kennedy assassination, after JFK was targeted by at least three assassination attempts in Chicago, L.A and Tampa, his closest and most loyal circle, including RFK, were fooled into organising a secret “abort mission”.

    这个任务基本上是一个假的暗杀阴谋,旨在渗透并揭露那些试图杀死肯尼迪的人。 但在暗杀成功后,亲肯尼迪的渗透者被愚弄了,双重交叉并沉默了,因为他们意识到他们失败的挑衅任务正在危及他们和特勤局,并使他们与真正的肇事者无法区分。

    https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-three-failed-plots-to-kill-jfk-the-historians-guide-on-how-to-research-his-assassination

    Similarly on 9/11, the Israelis agreed with their American NeoCons “allies” to carry out a false flag and strike the Pentagon with a missile: it is most likely a “friendly” Israeli submarine or frigate, stationed at the limits of US territorial waters, which fired the missile. It was fired from so close that US air defences could have never shot it down.

    然后,以色列人利用这种情况,将他们自己的计划部署到一个完全不同的层面。 他们用虚假信息欺骗美国的常规情报部门,称双子塔已植入核炸药,使该国进入核紧急警报状态。

    有能力的 NEST(核应急支持小组)被故意派往欧洲为 9/11 做准备,决策权交给了不幸和不知情的美国安全官员,他们无能为力地授权发布 WTC 嵌入式核拆除计划。

    An obscure procedure devised after the 1993 first WTC attack had established that an atmospheric nuclear explosion (in this case from a charge carried by the alleged “planes”) was incomparably more dangerous for the entire New York City, than an underground nuclear detonation that would take only a Twin Tower and whatever bomb was in it.

    该程序实际上要求在涉及双子塔的核警报的情况下炸毁它们,以保护更大的纽约市。 这个程序被不知情和不知情的美国官僚们愚蠢地应用,他们被愚弄了,毫无头绪,而且从来没有参与过这个阴谋。

    这就是以色列如何将以色列的蓄意犯罪转化为美国国家机密,利用可怕的政策错误勒索美国正规当局进行无休止的掩盖。

    • 回复: @thotmonger
  176. Bill Jones 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Another give away is that the building code for all steel structures would obviously have to be seriously amended given the new knowledge that steel dissolves at half it’s previous temperature if exposed to Melting Muslims.

    事实并非如此

    • 哈哈: Truth Vigilante
  177. Robjil 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    It was a Israel/US planned event – false flag. All evidence points that way.

    Wesley Clark was told about the “Seven Nations to Destroy” wars, just days after 9 11. All seven nations were pro-Palestinian.

    Six has been messed up after 9 11, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan and Somalia. Iran is the only one left that has not been messed up by US/Israel or its friends. Iran is always in the “news” for this reason as a “bad” one.

    The “seven nations to destroy” theme is a Jewish religious theme. It is how the first Israel was created. According to Chabad, it is still a valid Jewish religious theme for our days. Thus, the US military is using a religious command for its wars. Therefore, we have been living in the High Middle Ages in religiosity in the west since 9 11. The religion of Zion is the centerpiece of the western world since 9 11.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm

    第 187 个成人礼是我们奉命杀死和摧毁 [迦南] 的七个国家 1,因为他们是主要的崇拜者和偶像崇拜的原始来源。

    由于这七个国家已不复存在4,人们可能会认为这条诫命不是 noheg l'doros [所有世代5]。 但只有不了解 noheg l'doros 概念的人才会想到这样的事情。 可以在不受特定时间限制的情况下完成的命令被认为是 noheg l'doros,因为如果该行为在任何一代都成为可能,则成人礼将适用。

  178. @Robjil

    Whether or not it was an inside-job the stuff which you toss out afterwards is simply irrelevant to such a question. It’s very much like the way that for a few decades people were convinced that Hitler had set the Reichstag on fire. It was always that when he gained the Chancellorship he intended to abolish the Weimar Constitution, establish himself as Der Fuehrer, and lead things towards the conquest of vast new territories of living space in eastern Europe which would allow the Aryan Master Race to expand at the cost to the Slavic Subhuman. It made perfect sense that he would do something like setting the Reichstag on fire.

    But eventually historians came to accept that Marinus van der Lubbe had set the fire himself on his own initiative. True, Hitler had been waiting eagerly for some kind of disturbance like this that would the passing of the Enabling Act. He jumped on the opportunity promptly and began exploiting the Reichstag most effectively, as good as if he had set it himself. But there is no evidence that anyone other than Lubbe set the fire.

    Now sure it’s true that neocons and Likudniks had planned for various agendas which were promptly pursued as soon as 911 happened. But none of that proves that 911 itself was done by said actors. Whatever one’s judgment of the facts on 911, the matter can not be addressed by simply pointing out how the event was subsequently used.

    • 回复: @Robjil
  179. thotmonger 说:
    @Iris

    同样在 9/11,以色列人同意他们的美国 NeoCons“盟友”进行假旗并用导弹袭击五角大楼:它很可能是一艘“友好的”以色列潜艇或护卫舰……

    你继续说下去,就像你知道这一切一样,但不断增加一个又一个巨大的无法支持的主张。 就像,如果你真的想揭开摩萨德的真相,为什么要使用果冻手柄?

    我认为无平面理论是怀疑论者的白痴陷阱。 这个评论线程也有相同的 错误策略 萨布罗斯基警告说。 希望艾伦能插话😉

    http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/#coverup

    • 回复: @Iris
  180. Liosnagcat 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    Agree. You would appreciate “The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed:

  181. @Curmudgeon

    Whether one accepts Sabrosky’s theory on the perpetrators, one glaring fact remains: all of the buildings fell at essentially free-fall speed. The official narrative, irrespective of whom was responsible, does not hold water.

    Excellent remark ! We are waiting for a complete and convincing scientific explanation from someone like Mr UNZ.

  182. Iris 说:
    @thotmonger

    我认为无平面理论是怀疑论者的白痴陷阱。

    Thanks for clarifying this: if you still don’t question the “世贸中心飞机” grotesque, ludicrous, and cartoonish-ly preposterous narrative twenty years on, than it puts firmly on the list of clueless commenters to ignore. You are no scientist for sure.

    你继续说下去,就像你知道这一切一样,但不断增加一个又一个巨大的无法支持的主张。

    如果你完全不了解你自信地评论的主题,这不是我的错。

    This version that the Pentagon was hit by a missile fired from a “friendly” vessel off US territorial waters was made by former Soviet military Dimitri Khalezov, who although not a scientist, provided a wealth of insider information on the subject of 9/11. In particular, he gave many minute details about the trajectory of the Pentagon missile; one concludes that it might have been traced and pictured by Russian satellites at the time before it struck.
    Since you clearly haven’t read him, you can be safely ignored.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
    , @thotmonger
  183. @Robjil

    All Seven Nations are either on territory that the Zionazis covet for Eretz Yisrael, ‘…from the Nile to the Euphrates’, but also, as with Iran, ‘…get in our way’, as Jabotinsky describedone category of those who would be killed by the Zionazis. And, as the Yesha Council of Rabbis and Torah Sages asserted in 2006, and other Talmudists have declared for centuries, killing ‘enemy’ civilians is not just permissible under Judaic Law, but is a mitzvah, or good deed. Another such charming doctrine asserts that an entire ‘city’ may be destroyed for the ‘crimes’ (ie ‘..getting in way’) of a few.

    • 谢谢: Robjil
  184. @Patrick McNally

    Jews in the WTC Towers could not be warned because it would get out, no doubt decent Jews realising what was up being the first to reveal the fact, and the cover would be blown. What are a few hundred lives compared to the Eternal Glory of Eretz Yisrael?

  185. Robjil 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Even the number 9 11 has a Jewish religious importance. We should not use the numbers 9 11 to remember this false flag. It rewards the planners. Call it 10 day. That would really mess up the Jewish Religious significance.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380327/jewish/Nine-Eleven-and-Ten.htm

    在Sefer Yetzira(“形成之书”),最古老的卡巴拉文本,归因于族长亚伯拉罕,一个神秘的短语说:“十个虚无的sefirot; 十而不是九,十而不是十一。”

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  186. Aznavour 说:

    OH please. Mossad. The convenient Bogey.
    1-I fail to see any evidence of how this benefited Israel
    2- as an America Jew who is disgusted with a large part of America’s Jews (epstein, Weinstein etc) I still in my66 years have seen almost no evidence of this Zionist cabal.
    3- the dancing Israelis were in Bergen NJ. There is no Bergen NJ. There is Bergen county but that’s a big place. There’s north Bergen. There’s Bergenfield. But there’s no Bergen.
    4- I have my questions about 9/11. Anyone with half a brain should. And I have my own theory. And I love conspiracy theories. I know Ron Brown was assasinated. I know Vince foster was murdered. But Israel and Mossad? Gimme a break

    • 回复: @Wokechoke
  187. Wokechoke 说:
    @Aznavour

    The only long term winner from 9/11 is Israel. All their territorial claims have been realised and confirmed over the last 20 years. The Arabs have been scattered into Europe and the US and their best people killed. Whites in the US have been criminalised as WN terrorists as well while the US cabinet is a Minyan. Israel did well.

    • 同意: Robjil
  188. Sparkon 说:
    @Iris

    This version that the Pentagon was hit by a missile fired from a “friendly” vessel off US territorial waters was made by former Soviet military Dimitri Khalezov, who although not a scientist, provided a wealth of insider information on the subject of 9/11.

    Your darling Dimitri Khalezov has provided a wealth of nonsense, fodder for gullible nitwits and nothing else. Here’s his fairy tale, straight from the horse’s mouth during his Feb 21, 2011 YouTube interview with Kevin Barrett and Gordon Duff:

    “……向五角大楼发射的导弹被用作摧毁世界贸易中心[…]的借口,当导弹向五角大楼发射并在那里未爆炸时,它是带有核弹头的,还可以,五角大楼中部发现的导弹是一枚核导弹,有人说服纽约的美国官员说,撞到双子塔的飞机内部也有类似的核弹头,而且这种弹头卡在了塔,我的意思是在双子塔的高层,弹头将以高收成产生大气核爆炸[…],足以将整个纽约焚化。 因此,美国官员非常重视这一信息,因为五角大楼的导弹令人信服,他们决定拆除双子塔,以防止塔顶上那些所谓的战斗部进行大气核爆炸。”

    — Dimitri Khalezov

  189. LondonBob 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    As Ryan Dawson has pointed out there was an Israeli spy ring that was busted who had been refurbishing the WTC fire suppression system with false IDs.



    视频链接

  190. niceland 说:
    @Iris

    I was describing my opinion, based on memory from approximately 18 years ago when I read the first NIST report about their proposed scenarios that led to the collapse of WTC7. Back then they had no models, they came years later.

  191. LondonBob 说:
    @RoatanBill

    I can only imagine the missile hitting the Pentagon is a deliberate attempt to discredit everyone else.

    https://www.ancreport.com/911-truth-for-grown-ups/

    There was massive plane debris documented.

    • 回复: @RoatanBill
  192. Ex President, George Bush Jr. shot off his mouth again about “domestic terrorists”(read white) during his, as the left said, memorable speech at the 9/11 ceremony.(the left suddenly has taken a liking to him after years of calling him every name possible, the A-holes.

  193. @Robjil

    Interesting bits of archaic data, but totally irrelevant to deciding what actually happened. The problem with this type of reasoning is that it can be used to support multiple conflicting views. For example, it has been frequently pointed out by various authors that George Bush I gave a speech on September 11. 1991, I believe it was where he spoke about a New World Order. This speech has been widely cited by 911truthers as evidence of a kind of hidden conspiracy behind the events. Perhaps it was. But it’s also easy to imagine that some Islamic extremists who were seeking to attack the US might decide to carry out their attack on the 20th anniversary of the speech. In such a case we would still be able to claim that the Bush speech was part of a New World Order conspiracy in which Jews play an important role, but the decision to make the attack on that date would be determined entirely by Islamic terrorists acting independently. That’s just an obvious possibility. But it’s useless to try to deduce anything about who really carried out 911 based upon the date.

    • 回复: @Robjil
  194. RoatanBill 说:
    @LondonBob

    The physical evidence provided by the building damage says no plane hit the building.

    Planes have wing engines that weight tons and are made of steel and titanium. Had a plane hit the building, there would have been 2 massive holes where the engines impacted the structure. There were no such holes, meaning no engines hit the building, meaning it wasn’t a plane.

    Debunk that if you can.

    Any metallic debris could come from the missile or could be planted after the fact. Note that the grounds were bulldozed the next day to purposely destroy evidence.

  195. @JimDandy

    Something must have gone wrong. Maybe the plane that was supposed to hit WTC-7 didn’t make it. Maybe this was the plane that “crashed” without leaving wreckage?

    But WTC-7 needed to come down anyways. Maybe because that’s where the SEC’s records of investigations of unprosecuted Wall Street crimes of the previous decade were stored?

    But there’s no need to get too distracted with such speculations. The key fact — that’s still a non-fact in the non-fact world of this Official National Fib — is, WTC-7 fell down “all by itself.” Maybe it was fairy-dust.

  196. g b 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    例如,伦敦的 Grenfel Towers 在接近钢的熔化温度时燃烧; 钢结构立起来了!

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @The Old Philosopher
  197. Robjil 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Islamic terrorists acting independently.

    No such thing, no independence for puppets for Israel like Isis and Al Quada.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/02/13/un-reveals-israels-support-for-isis/

    The Syrian ambassador to the United Nations, Bashar Ja’afari, has long complained of a conspiracy of Zionists and Syrian rebels to overthrow the country’s President Bashar Assad. Mr. Ja’afari has declared that the extremists have an “undeclared alliance with Israel and are engaged in a secret agreement” with its regime.

    Now, a United Nations report seems to vindicate his claims. It reveals that Israel has been doing more than simply treating wounded Syrian civilians in hospitals, and details direct regular contacts between Israel Defense Forces (IDF) officers and armed Syrian opposition fighters, working closely together in the Golan Heights since the spring of 2013.

    There are no “moderate rebels” in Syria. Even the groups and leaders considered moderate by the West openly admit that they are working closely with the extremists and the most radical, who always end up having control over the anti-Assad opposition. Terrorist al-Nusra and the “moderate” Free Syrian Army have collaborated in the battlefield against the Assad regime. In short, Israel is supporting ISIS and terrorists..

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  198. @Robjil

    Shifting goalposts again. Well it certainly is believable that the Israeli government has done what it can to feed the Syrian civil war with its agenda in mind. But even that story does not support your “no independence” claim. All that it asserts is a temporary marriage of convenience between the Israeli government and the Syrian Islamists. And it tells us nothing at all about Osama’s agents in the US back in 2001.

    • 回复: @Robjil
  199. annamaria 说:
    @dms578

    ” I do not think Israel is interested in endless wars in region they want peace and cooperation”
    — This is totally hapless propaganda.
    Here is the infamous Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel (see also PNAC’s manifesto concocted by genocidal ziocons). https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    The Greater Israel design is not strictly a Zionist Project for the Middle East, it is an integral part of US foreign policy, its strategic objective is to extend US hegemony as well as fracture and balkanize the Middle East. … Washington’s strategy consists in destabilizing and weakening regional economic powers in the Middle East including Turkey and Iran. This policy –which is consistent with the Greater Israel– is accompanied by a process of political fragmentation. …

    The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. … Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of the process of Israeli territorial expansion.

    The source: “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties by Oded Yinon” https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/A_strategy_for_Israel_in_the_Nineteen_Eighties.pdf
    This is a genocidal plan that follows the pathos of Purim – the murderous treachery. There is no other ethnic group that treats its children with pastries in a form of a human ear to commemorate the murder of 75.000 people. They were Persians, living in their native land, murdered by the non-assimilated obnoxious Jews.

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante, Iris
  200. thotmonger 说:
    @Iris

    我提供的霍夫曼链接似乎让你的预感大打折扣。 但如果你说导弹击中五角大楼是正确的,那我就错了。 无论哪种方式,都可以。 我对 911 大屠杀没有任何特别的看法。 我正在努力接近更广泛的真相。 更正,我要真相 结果。 意思是,我对攻击是如何进行的不太感兴趣,而更感兴趣的是命名背后的所有人,为什么以及美国 - 以及世界 - 下一步会做什么。 与此同时,所有这些你称之为(接近)科学的扶手椅刑事调查工作实际上并不等于一袋花生。 可以? 如果是这样,请告诉并展示。

    我承认,它相当燃烧。 为什么 911 月 11 日在 UR 上的 XNUMX 没有什么新鲜事? 为什么这个评论线程与一篇十年前的文章相关联?!? Naughty Doggy Goy 今天没有新鲜骨头? 不,RU自己的文章, 美联社,9 年后寻求 11/20 真相,真的没有资格成为任何新事物。 它在很大程度上是一种翻新,与当今现实世界中发生的一切无关。 此外,它没有提供任何具体的改变。 得到它? 这都是空心的。

    和艾克一样。 但至少他对 20 的 911 日给出了一些概述,在这里:



    视频链接

    • 回复: @Iris
  201. Robjil 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    便利联姻

    “Creation of convenience” would be a better term.

    https://brutalproof.net/2016/08/lights-cameras-action-rita-katz-zionist-conwoman-creation-of-isis-videos/

    And there are plenty more such goof-ball scenes where those came from — and they are still coming! Who is this Rita Katz woman who heads up SITE as its Executive Director? And: how in the world does she pull so many ‘Peter Parker’ scoop-photos and videos out of her Magic Hat? Well, self-professed ‘terrorism analyst’ and pathological Muslim-basher Rita Katz is an Iraqi-born Jew whose family moved to Israel after her wealthy father was accused of being a Mossad agent, and then executed for treason. In Israel she served in the merciless IDF (Israeli Defense Force) and graduated from Tel Aviv University. Since 2002, Katz has run SITE out of Washington DC. (Wikipedia)

    SITE is the same outfit that released the ridiculously fake computer animated video of gray-bearded Osama Bin Laden back in 2004 — and then another in 2007 with the ‘Just For Men” hair coloring saturated throughout his beard!

    • 回复: @mulga mumblebrain
  202. Itajara 说:
    @dms578

    I hadn’t thought of that. Its a good point, actually. But what you are dealing with here (and I mean no disrespect, OP) is a zealot.
    他是

    “Absolutely certain”, and from a strategic analysis! Its like saying “Well I know the MO of the killer, and it matches this guy’s way of killing.” The problem with that thinking is that anybody who wants to suggest that “this guy” did it would just have to match his way of killing. It gets sorta meta because we would be talking about a “false flag of a false flag attack”.. which is sort of funny. But fuck 9/11. Who cares? Only 3000 people died. Thats about the same number of people *who have died of constipation* in the past 20 years. For reals.

    I always thought that building 7 went down because it had the ONLY COPIES of all the financial records that showed what happened during the SNL crisis. Basically spending 20 tril to make 1 tril. (That does sound like Soros, TBH. It would suck it if was though. I like him. Guys got balls of solid steel! 🙂 )

    Rather than spending 9 trillion dollars, thus triggering the end of our country by way of economic doom- we could have just bought some fucking ex-lax. bin Laden spent \$450K in order to get us to spend >\$10T, and we bought it hook line and sinker. Thats 2 superpowers that he destroyed, and using the exact same tactic. The worst part about it (well, a bad part at least) is that he got to see us fall for it, and also destroy our own freedoms and the same time. FISA court anyone? Warrantless wiretapping? VPN buy-outs? McFly…

  203. Skeptikal 说:
    @dms578

    “These idiotic inaccurate ad hominem attacks are the product of a thoughtless or a person incapable of objective analysis. ”

    This post sounds totally garbled.

  204. Iris 说:
    @thotmonger

    我正在努力接近更广泛的真相。

    我会假设你是真诚地寻求真理,并将我的回答限制在不可否认的事实上,因为我没有兴趣说服你或其他任何人,只是与做过自己的研究的真正的真相者交流,并且总是通过他们的观点和问题来改善我自己的思维。

    – The first scientific established fact is that WTC7 came down by controlled demolition (or “global collapse” in civil engineering terms).
    这在 Pr Hulsey 领导下的 UAF WTC7 研究中得到了证明,该研究已被同行审查两年了。 任何否认他们的结果的人也可能试图否认重力的存在。
    https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

    – The second established fact is that the energy at play in the destruction of the WTC was of nuclear nature.
    It was assessed by standard, century-old equations of thermal decay, out of all 3 buildings’ footprints, and although only a low estimate, was found the be in the order of magnitude of a 900 MVA nuclear reactor’s monthly output. This is a breath-takingly stratospheric value, and no conventional explosive, ever, could have achieved that.
    由物理学教授进行的热学研究已经进行了 3 年。 它的作者受到了迫害,失去了工作,但他的官方批评者没有人发现他无可挑剔、优雅且易于理解的证据有任何缺陷。
    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696

    更感兴趣的是说出幕后黑手的名字,

    从上面可以肯定地得出结论,肇事者是完全控制双子塔的人(为假旗做准备),并且可以使用/转移/授权核武器。

    如果你想要名字,你需要进入真相兔子洞并发表你的意见。

    我做了我的:以色列做了 9/11。
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • 回复: @thotmonger
  205. JLK 说:
    @eah

    因为显然塔的任何楼层都设计为支撑上面所有楼层(然后是一些)的重量。

    单独的楼层不支撑上覆的楼层,这就是垂直柱的作用,每个地盘都系在立柱上。

    这就是煎饼理论行不通的原因。

  206. thotmonger 说:
    @Iris

    好的谢谢。 我仍然没有得到你在这些细节背后有太多共识的印象。 (并不是说“以色列”在命名方面很详细!)但是很好。 如果你如此自信,与其花大约 30 分钟向我解释这一切,更好地利用这段时间可能是分发保险杠贴纸,上面写着 911 - 以色列做到了

    或者类似的。 喜欢 JFK 到 9/11 摩萨德做到了. 用口号制作一些杯子 以色列优先还是美国优先?,并将它们赠送给向任何政治候选人捐赠 10 美元以上的人,其中包括 结束犹太复国主义对我们媒体的控制 木板在他们的平台上。 只是想举几个例子。

    我将这种活动称为走出沙盒的第一步——阅读婴儿的步骤——踏上真正的土地,政治橡胶真正发挥作用的地方。

    • 回复: @Iris
  207. @JM

    Come on. Let’s be serious. Do you really expect something sensible from the grand poobah of Looney Tune Farms?

  208. @g b

    此外,这不是唯一一座像火炬一样燃烧数小时而不倒塌的钢结构建筑。

  209. @Irish Savant

    It would have an impact with lefty Whites, and shift some emotion and awareness pro-Muslim but not pro-White or antisemitic. But righty Whites would be paralyzed. The left-right thing is the biggest problem.

  210. @Robjil

    Yes, that Katz, the AMAZING creature who nearly always scoops the rest of the world’s media, MSM and all others, in ‘finding’ Daesh etc videos before anyone else. Spooky!

    • 同意: Robjil
  211. eah 说:
    @eah

    >FBI reports … ‘dancing Israelis’

  212. Iris 说:
    @thotmonger

    用“以色列优先”或“美国优先”的口号来制作一些杯子?

    I am not an American. My government is indeed a despicable poodle to yours, and to Israel, but since an overwhelming majority of the population (65 to 70%) thinks that 9/11 was dodgy and an “inside job”, the government most of the time avoids completely the subject, except for exceptional occasions such as the 20th commemoration.

    如果这让您感觉好些,那么对 9/11 美国大屠杀的清算是不可避免的。
    我真的很想知道以色列罪犯在决定引爆世贸中心时是怎么想的:他们肯定是因为狂妄自大。

    他们把世贸中心变成了一个巨大的核犯罪现场,几个月来就像一座熊熊燃烧的火山一样散发着能量。

    他们还无意中内爆了世贸中心 7:他们没有意识到连接世贸中心 7 和双子塔的地下隧道将充当非抗性路径并将拆除爆炸带到那里。
    WTC7 got accidentally ruined by explosion collateral damage, and became a smoking gun for controlled demolition; they had no choice but to improvise and blow up the smoking gun too, ruining their the “plane attack” scenario in the process.

    世贸中心因核控制拆除而倒塌的证据是基于普遍科学和泄露到公共领域的信息(塔脚印的卫星红外成像)并且无法恢复保密。

    9/11 清算是不可避免的,因为真相是通过在公共领域发现的信息得出的。 公开说出这个真相只是时间问题,一旦世界各国不再害怕以色列及其美国深州傀儡。

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  213. Niebelheim 说:

    WTC7 got accidentally ruined by explosion collateral damage, and became a smoking gun for controlled demolition; they had no choice but to improvise and blow up the smoking gun too, ruining their the “plane attack” scenario in the process.

    What do you mean “improvise”? It all seemed to come down pretty neatly, like a controlled demolition that had been planned and wired in advance. How did the demolition team accomplish something like that that on the fly, in a matter of hours, after the nuclear blast accidentally leaked into WTC7?

    I’m a rank amatuer on this topic, admittedly. So forgive me this question. The heat signatures you reference, if true, seem compelling. What else can account for that much heat? Anything? But what about radiation? Can there be a nuclear detonation without measurable radiation in the vicinity?

  214. Skeptikal 说:
    @Iris

    嗨,爱丽丝,
    Not sure I follow you on what happened at WTC7.

    What someone suggested recently (probably on some Unz thread) that made sense to me was that something went wrong with the original plan—WTC7 was supposed to be “hit by a plane” also, but the plane did not materialize.

    Since the building was already wired, and this would have become obvious to anyone entering the building at any point after the Towers came down, “they” the perps realized they had to pull it to destroy the evidence that it, too, was wired. Which was not a perfect situ but the lesser of two evils. But an action that basically proved what they were trying to hide. So, kind of ironicallyneat in that sense.

    你觉得呢?

    Also, I do not recall hearing a clear theory of what was up with the Shanksville plane. Why was it even part of the plot? Was it supposed to “fly into WTC7”? Or what? What was its mission, and why was it aborted as it was? Or was the mission supposed to be purely to provide the fake cell phone calls?

    The Olsen connection does seem to raise a lot of red flags. Just too neat . . .

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Iris
  215. @Skeptikal

    您询问:

    I do not recall hearing a clear theory of what was up with the Shanksville plane. Why was it even part of the plot? Was it supposed to “fly into WTC7”? Or what? What was its mission, and why was it aborted as it was? Or was the mission supposed to be purely to provide the fake cell phone calls?

    UA93 may well have been scheduled to fly into WTC7.

    Others have suggested that it was going to impact the Capitol building – where I believe a joint session of Congress was in progress that day.

    According to USMC Lt-Col (ret) Field McConnell (the leading aviation expert in the world in relation to what actually transpired on 9/11), a white hat within the system, observing that a False Flag was unfolding in New York, purposely imputed a 41 minute delay to UA93 which totally messed up the carefully constructed plans of the Zio cabal that orchestrated this crime.

    Because of that, UA93 (or perhaps the drone equivalent that was pretending to be UA93), was shot down in the vicinity of Shanksville.

    And …. NO, I’m not saying that it went into that tiny crater that was alleged to be the final resting place of UA93 (as per the official bogus U.S government narrative).

    It was shot down some miles away from the alleged impact crater (likely broke up in mid air), which explains how wreckage was scattered over several square miles in a forested area and as far as eight (8) miles away in New Baltimore and in the adjacent Indian Lake.
    该地区很快被封锁(尚克斯维尔的许多当地人都证明了这一点),因为联邦调查局人员用细齿梳检查了该地区,以收集所有上述碎片的证据。

    (* I write ‘alleged’ UA93 because, since drones were utilised in the other three incidents, two 767 equivalents impacted with the towers and a Raytheon owned A-3 Skywarrior at the Pentagon, it stands to reason that drones would be deployed on ALL four occasions).

    Watch the following video (the six minutes of so from 35:00 – 41:50), and learn that UA93 (or a drone equivalent pretending to be UA93) was SHOT DOWN on that day. It broke up in mid air and aircraft wreckage was scattered over a wide debris field of several miles:

    • 回复: @The Old Philosopher
  216. @Patrick McNally

    Doesn’t the main conspiracy scenario entail the twin towers collapsing due to fires causing the failure of the support structure which was damaged by airplane impacts, and WTC7 collapsing due to fires causing the failure of the support structure which was damaged by debris from the damaged towers?

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  217. @Rufus Clyde

    Without being coy about the term “conspiracy,” can you spell out any rational reason why alleged Mossad agents who have supposedly wired the whole Tower for a demolition that is intended to look like a collapse would then want to set off bombs in the basement before the collapse is ready to be started?

    • 回复: @Grasshopper Kaplan
  218. @Truth Vigilante

    至于尚克斯维尔,埃利亚斯·戴维森 Hijacking America’s Mind on 911: Counterrfeiting Evidence 仔细描述了坠机现场的情况,并记录了在那里发现的碎片和人类遗骸,并得出结论,现场的证据证明没有 757 坠毁在那里或附近的任何地方。 在所谓的坠机事故发生后不久到达现场的人几乎没有发现任何飞机部件的证据。 最初的故事是把飞机埋在地下,所以它被完全吞没了。

    Among other evidence proving UA 93 with its passengers didn’t crash there is there were no bodies or even signs of blood at the crash site, not a single serially numbered “time change” replacement part that maintenance records would have documented was installed on the aircraft with registration number N591UA that was desginated to operate as flight UA93 was recovered that is absllutely impossible if that plane crashed there, and the coroner who arrived on the scene minutes after the alleged crash reported finding no bodies that prompted him to tell the Pittsburgh Post -Gazette that “it was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed” (p. 82).

    当然,这架飞机可能正是这样做的,并降落在乘客起飞的某个机场。

    • 回复: @JLK
  219. JLK 说:
    @The Old Philosopher

    当然,这架飞机可能正是这样做的,并降落在乘客起飞的某个机场。

    那些再也没有见过他们的家人呢?

    • 回复: @The Old Philosopher
  220. @JLK

    那些再也没有见过他们的家人呢?

    Do you really think it’s all that difficult to make about 250 people disappear after they have been landed and deplaned at a remote and secured airport? And do you really think that the cabal that was prepared to murder as many as had to be expected would be killed by pulling the towers would worry about killing 250 more to get rid of the passengers when they were also prepared to kill millions to wage the “war on terror.”

    你的问题反映了缺乏想象力的想法。

    而且因为我不是计划这次行动的阴谋集团的一员,你怎么能指望我确切地知道他们可以使用哪些方法来完成乘客和机组人员的死亡。

    可以肯定的是,飞机上没有劫机者,因此他们不在伤亡人员之列。

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  221. JLK 说:
    @The Old Philosopher

    好吧,如果你认为飞机被改道并被无人机取代(我不是在表达意见),那么乘客要么是被吓坏了,现在过着不同的生活,要么被关押在某处,要么以其他方式被杀。

    我倾向于怀疑后两种可能性。

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  222. @JLK

    猜想:

    乘客要么被吓坏了,现在过着不同的生活,要么被关押在某处,要么以其他方式被杀害。

    我倾向于怀疑后两种可能性。

    怀疑不是证据。

    真正的问题是实际发生的事情有无数种可能性。 首先,戴维森指出,航空公司拒绝发布经过身份验证的乘客舱单,这些舱单将根据乘客必须在登机口交给服务员的登机牌自动创建。 如果没有这样的经过认证的名单,就没有可靠的证据证明任何乘客曾经乘坐过任何飞机。

    Even stranger, he cites documents from 911 commission report that, for example, AA gave the Commission the names of “most of the 28 agents who worked at the airline’s 值机柜台 at Logan and Dulles airports on 9/11….but the names of the agents who boarded passengers onto the aircraft at the respective 盖茨 ,那恭喜你, 节录” (citing letter from Gordon and Forsyth LLP representing AA (e.o.). It is, of course, the agents at the gate who could affirm exactly how many passengers actually boarded, but without knowing who they were, how can anyone find out.

    事实上,美国交通部的定期航班准时文件提供了事件发生时生成的实时数据,显示飞机何时离开登机口、准备起飞和升空时间以及着陆、滑行和在登机口的登机时间没有记录至少有两个据称在 911 坠毁的航班的信息。

    实际上,在提出该问题后不久,我就将该文件下载到了 3.5 英寸软盘上,但现在只有上帝知道它在哪里,因为我从未对它做过任何处理。

    正如戴维森明确指出的那样,政府粉饰、伪造和彻底压制证据是无止境的。 当然,最有效的方法是从一开始就永远不要获得任何可以真正证明真实情况的证据。

    这就是 J Edgar 如何竭尽全力压制 JFK 被击中的真相。 他的联邦调查局男孩只是确保他们从未寻找并记录了最微小的证据片段,这些证据甚至暗示他对奥斯瓦尔德自己做的解决方案是错误的,他在子弹飞出后不到 24 小时就找到了。

    Now, the Director having told his boys what the truth was, how many of them do you imagine would dare look for evidence that conflicted with it? No one who wasn’t interested in spending the remainder of his career ticketing caribou for pissing on the Alaska pipeline.

    That’s how you orchestrate a cover up with little evidence of it. Declare the solution before anyone had time to think about what happend, and then make sure no investigator is around who is dumb enough to look for conflicting evidence.

    It’s fool proof.

    That this was indeed what happend on 911 is established by the press identifying Bin Landen as the perpetratpor within hours after the event and before anyone had the slightest clue who the alleged hijackers were, of which there is still no evidence since their names didn’t appear on the original passenger manifest that were released.

    真的吗? 您是购买它的人之一吗?

    那是我的第一个线索,整件事是对公众的欺诈。

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  223. Iris 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Hi Skeptical; sincere apologies for the late reply.

    In my opinion, what happened to the WTC7 is one of the less mysterious aspects of 9/11.
    In fact, nothing in the scientific and engineering aspects of 9/11 is mysterious or “mystifying” anymore. Everybody is just pretending because they are scared of the US and Israel.

    The only thing we can’t fully ascertain so far is what happened with the “planes’ ” passengers. Everything else is just an in-your-face sad joke.

    One can understand easily, without the need to make any speculation or assumption, what happened to WTC7, simply by looking at the videos filmed inside this building just after the South Tower had collapsed.

    Please watch for yourself. The video shows that WTC7 was absolutely ruined; its internal lobby had imploded, and its glass cladding was blown out 向外。

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    The SS officer wandering around with a (nuclear) safety hood tells the journalist that this destruction happened all of a sudden (2:38). Any internal sudden destruction can only be caused by one fast physical phenomenon: explosions.

    This conclusion is confirmed by the undisputable and undisputed story of Port Authority employee Barry Jennings and his colleague Michael Hess, who got accidentally trapped inside WTC7 after its internal staircase suddenly collapsed.
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Barry_Jennings

    Again, there is nothing “mysterious” about a sudden collapse: the cause can only be an explosion.

    So WTC7 imploded, was blown up from inside, this is an undisputable and extremely visible fact.
    Any imbecile walking inside WTC7 would have had immediately understood that powerful explosions had occurred, of which WTC7 bore the collateral damage.
    The immediate subsequent conclusion drawn would have been that “controlled demolition” operations had occurred nearby, removing any shred of credibility to the grotesque “plane attack” Israeli cock-and-bull story.

    The question of how this WTC7 internal implosion could have happened is not even tricky or complicated.

    When the first controlled demolition took place under the South Tower, its blast, the powerful supersonic pressure shockwave it causes, found an easy route, a path of less resistance, in the form of a tunnel that was linking the South Tower to WTC7.

    I am sure that you empirically understand this phenomenon very well: you must have watched action movies taking place in underground mines, where an explosion, instead of affecting its immediate vicinity, is carried almost instantly all the way along any long empty tunnel, because the air offers incomparably less resistance than the rock.

    WTC7 was internally destroyed by explosion collateral damage, subsequent to the Towers coming down by underground nuclear demolition. The evidence (glass cladding blown outwards, internal staircase collapsed, internal architectural fittings exploded) is overwhelming.

    The reason this damage was worse inside than outside WTC7 is because the blast that caused it came from inside WTC7, from tunnels linking it to the Twin Towers.
    These tunnels acted as path of less resistance, and carried the blast under each Tower up to WTC7.
    WTC7 then inadvertently and unexpectedly became a burning smoking gun shouting “controlled demolition”.

    Silverstein had to improvise a solution and get rid of the WTC7 screaming smoking gun: he ordered the detonation of the 3rd nuclear charge still stored underneath it.

    There was no need to plant WTC7 with explosives: all 3 nuclear heads used for the nuclear demolition of the WTC had been safely stored and maintained for decades under WTC7. Once the demolition order came, two were moved through their standard rail track tunnels, under each Tower, and detonated.

  224. What is the connection between the false flag 20+ years ago and the one we are living that started 20 months ago?

    Why do the folks who oppose the official story get demonized and often end up having their lives destroyed?

    I can’t believe these lies that started all the wars from which only one small nation state got benefits that is a wise insight

    I also can’t believe if we don’t all get “needle-raped”, then no more Normal

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    There has never been a Normal false flag

    Every time I am lied to like this day after day it takes so much out of my soul

    I worry for the worst false flag ever continues for now…

    I am told “it will end when the conditions that gave rise to it are resolved”. Forgot who said that

    That may be quite some time at the current trajectory

    I am heartened to finally see the pushback against our loss of freedom and saddened that it is mostly Republicans in this country leading that questioning process

    But then left and Liberal aren’t the same as Free nor Freedom

    The divisive two handedness of American ideology is like Coke and Pepsi

    I can’t drink none of that shit bit I am told it will take the paint off your car

    Sadly the author is correct and I lament that as a self-hating (born/cultural) Jew what those who profess in the name of health or freedom or democracy has been a big bad lie and we have to huff and puff and blow down that house of straw or sticks or bricks or mud
    And dismantle the propoganda and deconstruct the stale salami sandwhich is moldy wrotten and not at all Kosher

    Where is the Rule of Freedom for you and me?

    In you tube

    The Rule of Freedom suite

    Hope we can find hear and live in truth and Love

    Is it too late already? Say it ain’t so…

  225. @Patrick McNally

    They had to blow out the basement to leave a void space for building to collapse in to

    明显…

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  226. @The Old Philosopher

    The passenger manifests always included the names of hijackers. In the immediate days after 911 there was a list of “victims” released which left out the hijackers in the same way that Elliot Rodger was never listed as a “victim” of his own rampage.

    http://www.graphics.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/images/aa_flight_11_manifest.gif

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  227. @Grasshopper Kaplan

    Nothing quite so dramatic was accomplished by any of those explosions which are reported to have occurred prior to the Jet-planes crashing into the first building. The incidents which are reported could very well just be an accident happening coincidentally, or it might be that terrorists did plant some bombs in the basement of the building on the morning of the attack. But those explosions, if they were the effect of pre-planted bombs, were to small to be any effective preparation for enabling an entire Tower to crash there. In fact, the lower floors of the Towers were still standing even after being buried in huge amounts of wreckage from the higher floors. No real gain served by basement explosions for a plot to disguise a controlled demolition as a top-down collapse.

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  228. @Patrick McNally

    “could very well just be an accident happening coincidentally”

    Sure if u believe in coincidences
    I believe in miracles

    Some folks work hard for their miracles

    Others just write off the top of their heads spouting off

    Who is Patrick McNally?

    Whom is this person representative of?

    嗯...

    Last time I respond to such obvious lies

    Read your own stuff back to yourself Sir…

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  229. @Grasshopper Kaplan

    Well, to get down on something specific, the most prominent spokesman of this kind seems to be William Rodriguez. His story seems kind of difficult to evaluate. He says that shortly before the plane hit he heard a rumble. The first time I ran across this I had to wonder if he was really sure that it was before the plane hit. I mean if we acknowledge that it was close to the time when the plane hit then one might wonder if their could just be some confusion over the time. But let’s allow that something was happening shortly before the plane hit. Notice that the word he used in his earliest interviews was “rumblings” not “explosions.” Anyway, as he goes on he mentions a fireball going down an elevator shaft.

    But at this point it seems hard to be sure just how much of this is really still “shortly before the plane hit” and and what point exactly does the plane hit. The bare transcripts which Rodriguez gave in the early days can seem to blend all of this a bit too easily. What should be of interest here is a precise clarification of what exactly is regarded as having definitely occurred before the plane hit, and hopefully being clear about how much before that really was. Without that it’s difficult to honestly assess. But just the fact that William Rodriguez may have honestly heard some rumblings before the plane hit is not very much to go on. That’s why I have to allow that is at least theoretically possible that some mishap may have occurred in the building which perhaps had nothing to do with the terror attack itself.

    Again, it should be repeated that this “bombs go off in the building before a plane hits” scenario wouldn’t make much sense from the “inside-job” angle. It is plausible that some Islamic terrorist may have wanted to place some bombs in the building to just to add to the event. Rodriguez claims that he saw one of the hijackers in June 2001 scoping out the building. So maybe some bombs were planted somewhere in the basement. It’s believable that any Arab terrorist who were planning to attack the building might also want to plant some extra bombs here and there.

    But for the purpose of a conspiracy which aims to make the collapses look like a top-down failure there’s no obvious benefit to setting off explosives early on at the bottom well before the actual collapse is planned for. Nor was it true that these explosions in the basement did such major damage to the structure of the Tower as to influence the collapse. The lower stories of the Towers were basically intact even when buried by the upper layers. Not enough damage there to really account for a motive by anyone planning a full-scale demolition.

  230. @Patrick McNally

    The passenger manifests always included the names of hijackers. In the immediate days after 911 there was a list of “victims” released which left out the hijackers in the same way that Elliot Rodger was never listed as a “victim” of his own rampage.

    First, I guess you missed the part where I wrote “authenticated” passenger lists. They have to this day refused to release such lists.

    Second, you confirm that the names of the hijackers were not included in the lists originally released to avoid naming the victims of their own rage.

    But how did or could they know immediately who the hijackers were so they could pick them out and leave them off the list- merely because they had Arabic sounding names? But how did they know the hijackers were “arabs” to enable them to identify them by ethnic origin?

    Just like the culprit seeking to outwit Columbo, every attempt to explain the false evidedence to cover up the truth simply digs you in deeper.

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  231. @The Old Philosopher

    It has been documented many times over that the FBI and CIA did have identifications of these Arabs as likely trouble-makers many times over before 911. This is part of what weakens the whole “Mossad didn’t warn us” line of argument. Not only is it established that at least one major Israeli warning was given in August but there were many other warnings going in the FBI and CIA the whole time. The question then becomes one of how much of this is due to a conspiracy and how much to bureaucratic incompetence. Of course even if there was a real conspiracy then you’d expect it to take advantage of bureaucratic incompetence along the way.

    But as far as being able to name the hijackers from the flight lists, this should have been easy. They look at the flight list and quickly pick out the names of anyone who sounds Arabic. Then do a fast check and these names come up as people who had been identified many times over as suspicious. Proof of bureaucratic incompetence, certainly, at a minimum. Maybe something more, though that isn’t as clear.

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  232. @Patrick McNally

    It has been documented many times over that the FBI and CIA did have identifications of these Arabs as likely trouble-makers many times over before 911. This is part of what weakens the whole “Mossad didn’t warn us” line of argument.

    You may have m issed it, but to make it clear, it never was nor did I raise the issue of what the FBI/CIA knew about the alleged hijackers before the events, but that their names were not included on the original list of passenmgers the airlines released.

    You do, of course, know that the airlines create a manifest listing all the passengers and crew that are on board on aircraft as of when the door is closed, do you not. If you actually noticed it, ground personnel come on board and hand a copy to the pilot who signs it to confirm it, the ground crew then leaves and the door is closed and locked. Am authenticated manifest thus necessarily includes the names of every person who in fact boarded the plane, with passngers identified based on the boarding passes they hand the gate attendants, and you simply cannot get on a plane without handing them that boarding pass that is the basis for compiling the manifest.

    You do understandf this, don’t you. Even I child does. But I could be qwrong about you.

    Given how the passnger list for the manifest is conpiled, both airlines could within minuts after the crash have printed from their computers that contained the information and exact and complete list of people on each flight.

    Yet they never to this day have published an 认证 manifest listing all the passngers, and have refused to provide one to Davidsson who has asked them several times.

    So what’s the problem? They can’t afford the cost of printing it out? Or an authenticated manifest would demolish the official story?

    你的选择。

    The question then becomes one of how much of this is due to a conspiracy and how much to bureaucratic incompetence. Of course even if there was a real conspiracy then you’d expect it to take advantage of bureaucratic incompetence along the way.

    Ah, another false dichotomy. I guess you don’t realize the incompetence and mistakes are the cover ups for conspiracy. Or as Cyril Wecht pointed out with reference to the JFK hit, the ridiculously flawed autopsy was a prodsuct of genuinely “orchestrated incompetence.” That’s a dialectical unity of opposites

    But as far as being able to name the hijackers from the flight lists, this should have been easy. They look at the flight list and quickly pick out the names of anyone who sounds Arabic. Then do a fast check and these names come up as people who had been identified many times over as suspicious. Proof of bureaucratic incompetence, certainly, at a minimum. Maybe something more, though that isn’t as clear.

    But the plain fact that even you acknowledge is that even though it should have been easy, they didn’t and have still refused to do it which is and was entirelky due to orchestrated incompetence that is and always was part of the cover up plan.

    And then as Davidsson documents, the original list of passengers had to be amended by adding to and removing passengers. So how could that happen had the originally released manifest been properly authenticated- did passengers get off and get on the planes in mid-flight?

    Thesae are all Columbo moments the detective spotted as inconsistencies in the account the culprit offered to validate the fabricated evidence that supposedly pointed elsewhere that ended up tripping them up as he tried to explain away the inconsistencies.

    That’s how you have to analyze the details of the official account that seeks to convince the public of what happened with a false narrative and fabricated evidence that dissolves as the morning mist once it is properly scrutinized.

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  233. @The Old Philosopher

    When someone like Elliot Rodger goes on a rampage it is customary to publish a list of victims which excludes the shooter, even if they latter may have killed himself. The airlines would have taken this to be normal decorum to simply publish the names of the victims without including the terrorists. Since the FBI would have been able to easily retroactively identify who the terrorists were this would not have been a problem for the airlines to do.

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  234. @Patrick McNally

    Keeps giving Columbo more explanations that self destruct
    .

    When someone like Elliot Rodger goes on a rampage it is customary to publish a list of victims which excludes the shooter, even if they latter may have killed himself.

    Except, of course, in those case they didn’t have to include the name of the shooter among the names of the victims because he would have been idenbtified as the shooter to begin with. Nor was there a question of who the victims were and who was the shooter from the start. Thus your explnanation for why they chose not to publish them along with the victims is not only meritless, but seeking to continue the cover up.

    The airlines would have taken this to be normal decorum to simply publish the names of the victims without including the terrorists.

    It’s not an issue of decorum but of distinguishing which of the dead were victims and which were the alleged hijackers. By not identifying them by name as among those killed in the crash, they turned the hijackers into ghosts . But it goes beyond this. First, numerous individuals later identified as hijackers have turned up alive and well, meaning bogus names were on the list.
    Second, they had to amend the persons they were identifying as hijackers by deleting some names and adding others. So did they switch places in mid-iar. See, that’s why its critical for them to have immediately provided an authenticated manifest of all person aboard the planes at take off. They didn’t do that not for reasons of decorum but to keep their options open and who they were planning to identify as victims and hijackers.

    Since the FBI would have been able to easily retroactively identify who the terrorists were this would not have been a problem for the airlines to do.

    That may be, but why have they to this day refused to release an authenticated manifest of who was on the planes. More cover ups.

    The real problem they faced that exposes them is that it is very difficult if not impossible to construct a Potemkin village (you do know what that is) that will withstand serious scrutiny. After all, a simple peek behind the face will expose it completely.

    Such is especially the case with perpetrating false flag operations that are designed to cover up the deeds of the actual perpetrators and place the blame on innocent patsies by fabricating evidence that purports to incriminate them. Doing this requires projecting the image of what happened to the public through separate lenses that produce different parts of the entire illusion the false flag operation is meant to create.

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    Its impossible to do this flawlessly as Mark Twain explained perfectly when he noted that “if you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” BUt when you lie, you have to keep straight numerous details that must be kept entirely congruent and consistent with each other to be convincing.

    Why? Becausae any even that occurs in the real world is entirely and totally synchronized by occurring simultanously as the event unfolds. Thus every detail that directly manifests and evidences the physcial actions that took place somewhere happened at exactly the same time in relation to all the other things that occurred as the event unfolded.

    But when evidence manifesting the occurrence of an even is fabricatred, it’s impossible for the fabrication to duplicate every physical detail that manifests the activity where it is purported to have occurred. The fabrication is instead an abstraction of the totality of evereything that would have occurred simultaneously that would sunchronize the details imprinted on whjere it occurred.

    A simple example from the Simpson case perfect refelcts this. Nicole was alleged killed by having both of her carotid arteries as well as jugular veins cut.

    Now, when an artery is punctured where it bleeds externally, this immediately produces massive spurting of blood that will be manifested by blood striking surfaces where the injury occurredthat will reflect the rising and falling of bblood pressure from the pumping action of the heart. There is no question about this, and I have seen crime seen photos where such injuries were inflicted and the semi-cirlce blood spray patterns are clearly visible on the surfaces the spurts struck.

    Thus, given Nicole having both carotid arteries cut, these semi -circle blood spatters whould have clearly been identifable where her body was found if the injuries had been inflicted there.

    There is, however, no sign of such blood spatter where her body was found. There are, inmstead only pools of blood on the first step above her body and on the walkway where her body was found that Dr. Baden identified manifested only venous bleeding. So where are the signs of arterial bleeding that necessarily had to be present since both of her carotids were cut?

    你能解释一下吗?

    An NYPD homicide detective with whom I discussed the case ages ago who was convinced Simpson did and and was surprised by my poisition that he was was framed until I showed him the picture of Nicole’s body lying in a pool of blood on the first step and walkway.

    He looked at it for a few seconds and declared it to be staged crime scene. Why? Simple, he said. If blood flows over a surface, it doesn’t pool over the same surface, and if blood pools over the same surface, it doesn’t flow over it, but here its doing both. Impossible. So the blood was artificially poured over the surface rather than flowing naturally from the wounds.

    Not only that he said, but there clearly are drag marks on the first step that manifest a bloodied object being dragged over the surface, but the prosecution presented no evidence of that having happened based on how they claimed her injuries were inflicted.

    Thus the conditions at the crime scene clearly manifest staging to reflect that the crime was committed there. But why did those who staged it do it so imperfect that a homicde detective spotted it after glancing at the photo of the crime scene for only a few seconds?

    Now, when you can fully and completely answer that question, you may beging to gain an inkling about what’s going on with the airlines failing to provide authenticate manfiests of those aboard the aircraft designated as the flights that crashed.

    And until you can answer it, your feeble efforts to explain the impossible to shore up the official story add up to nothing more than the perpetrator digging himself deeper as he tries to explain to Columbo the impossible inconsistency he spotted that gave away the perpetrator’s fabrication.

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  235. @The Old Philosopher

    There apparently were people with similar names who were confused that they perhaps were being labeled as hijackers. But all of the hijackers were identified and there is no confusion about who they were. See Terry McDermott, Perfect Soldiers, for an account of the hijackers and their background.

  236. There should never have been any confusion because their names would have been recorded on the tickets they purchased that were the documents used to identify the passengers who boarded in the airline computer data banks. Any confusion there was originated from the names they were faking for the hijackers.

    The fact is that at least half of the individuals identifes as hijackers by name have in fact surfaced as still alive. Slight problem with that.

    More than that, even then people boarding still had to identify themselves beyond showing up and giving their names and plunking down cash to pay for a ticket.

    So there can’t be mistakes about any names that appear on the manifests of persons boarding an aircraft.

    But keep trying to find more excuses to justify and validate the fraud.

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  237. @The Old Philosopher

    You’re regurgitating 20-year old stories without having made any attempt to look things up since then. The case of Ahmed Al-Nami was one such. Another fellow with a similar name but 10 years older called from Riyadh after he saw his name and announced “I’m still alive, as you can see.” This was a completely different person with the same kind of name and it was just a mix-up that this man thought that he was being identified as a hijacker.

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  238. @Patrick McNally

    No, I am looking at the book by Davidsson who has been seeking and tracking this information since 911.

    So you name one indivifddual as “one such case” without identifying what case it is. And then there is an unnamed “other” who called that supposedly accounts for the misidentified hijackers.

    That shows it is you who are regurgitating really old stuff that entirely fails to take into account that when the FBI on Sep. 27, 2001 released photographs of the 19 alleged hijackers it had mentioned in its Sep. 14 press realease, “they were no longer designated as ‘identified’ but merely ‘believed’ to be the hijackers. . . Emphasizing the by now tentative nature of the identification, the press release added the following caveat: ‘it should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identifies of these these individuals are still under way” and are apparently continuing to this very day because that press release has to this day not be superseded in any way by the FBI (p. 24).

    So how do you know that the fellow who called with a similar name as one of the alleged hijackers is in fact an entirely different individualk with the same name when the FBI is still in the process of confirming the identities of the allegfed hijackers.

    But I note you keep ignoring the issue of authenticated passenger manifests. I can well understand your reluctance to approach this issue.

    First, such authenticated list have legal significance because they establkish the identities of the persons who are aboard any aircraft that has taken off. Now to prove that an individual participated in a hihacking, it must first and foremost be established that person was in fact aboard the hijacked aircraft.

    The only way that can be done legally is by producing an authenticated manifest of persons who were in fact aboard a hijacked aircraft that took off.

    As Davidsson notes, to demonstrate this, the government would have to produce five classes of evidence:

    1. Authenticated passenger lists of those aboard.

    2. Authenticated boarding cards “passes” that those passengers turned in at the gate when they boarded.

    3. Authenticated security videos showing the persons boarding the aircraft.

    4. Sworn statements of persons who attended the boarding .

    5. Formal identification of the bodies or bodily remains from crash sites, that includes chain of custody reports. (P. 31)。

    Note first all documents must be authenticated, and there is a proerly prescribed legal way of doing this.

    The government has yet to produce even one of the necessary five classes of evidence. Indeed, the names of those who attentded the boarding, far from being released, have been redacted from official reports. None of these five classes of evidence was introduced at the Massoud trial to prove the event for which he was being tried as its mastermind in fact occurred as the government claimed, which turns that entire enterprise into a legal farce. But what else is new when the entire official account is a massive lie backed up by fabricateed evidence and fraudulent claims.

    But hey, keep on trucking with your feeble efforts to sustain the illusion the govertnment created to reel in the thousands of suckers who are born every second, with you standing at the head of the line

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  239. @The Old Philosopher

    Again, you should just read the book by Ted McDermott for the actual photos and what not. The hijackers were identified and their biographical details traced out to a reasonable degree.

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/215001

    “Khalid Al-Mihammadi, a Saudi youth .. talked about receiving the shock of his life when he saw that his picture was among the suspects…”

    That was long ago and the confusion was cleared up long ago. You will find the correct Khalid identified and described in the McDermott book. Temporary confusion over some similar names leading to the wrong picture being used is all that it was.

  240. @Patrick McNally

    And confusion abounds in the link he provides.

    I also noticed you ignore the issue of no authenticated passenger manifests and the FBI’s allegedly continuying efforts to confirm the true identities of the hijackers thatapparently has still borne no fruit since they have not acknowledged having succeeded and provided the results.

    Of course not. They know better than you that when it comes to validating frauds, silence is golden once the fraud is exposed.

  241. Skeptikal 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Patrick is really funny.

    Any individual of moderate intelligence can follow the Old Philosopher’s logic, and the point of it.

    Only Patrick is unable to do so!! He keeps introducing red herrings and what not.

    Poor Patrick. Kind of pathetic, actually.

  242. sgt_doom 说:
    @RoatanBill

    Exactly so. I cannot say the guilty entities only this on the facts:

    FACT 1: The DIA auditing team which had compiled a report on the missing and unaccounted for \$2.3 trillion in DoD funds — almost all perished that day at the Pentagon. Their off-site data storage was a financial services subcontractor located in the WTC’s Twin Towers.

    FACT 2: The valuation of offshore hedge funds on 9/11/01 stood at \$2 trillion — within several months it would double to \$4 trillion — a most curious figure?!

    FACT 3: In 2002, the yet-to-be future Big Four investmemt firms — BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street and Fidelity — when the assets under management were summed the end figure was approximately \$2 trillion.

    FACT 4: In 2018, when Watchdog USA announced that the unaccounted for figure of DoD funds had ballooned to \$21 trillion, adding the assets of the now Big Four firms equalled \$21 trillion —- a most curious figure?

    FACT 5: A passenger onboard Flight 77 which crashed into the Pentagon wss a physicist with the Naval Surface Warfare Center who the previous year had been tasked to devise an efficient covert sabotage plan to take down a skyscraper. He came up with a method of interleaving nanothermite with fiber optics prior to an installation of fiber optical cabling in the top floors of a skyscraper — to be detonated by a single laser pulse.

    Four days prior to 9/11/01 the firm EurekaGGN installed fiber optics cabling in the uppermost 20 to 40 floors of the Twin Towers. EurekaGGN was then owned by Apollo Asset Management, one of whose partners was the wife of Buzz Krongard, excutive director at the CIA, and inactive partner in the investment firm, Alex Browne, into whose accounts the profits from shorts/puts on involved airlines stocks and WTC companies flowed. Those stock speculations took place on computer systems located within the Twin Towers!? What an incredible string of improbable coincidences!?

    • 谢谢: RoatanBill
  243. @Ron Unz

    As I have pointed out before Eric Margolis is untrustworthy so not much use as a dole source for anything. (He completely made up a quote he attributed to Stalin speaking to Churchill).

    Moreover the actual orgsniser of 9/11 was more likely Ayman al-Zawahiri than any other senior Al Qaeda figure. That doesn’t preclude ObL rejoicing in the success he achieved by getting the US bogged down in Asia.

  244. R.C. 说:

    For someone with common sense, all that is needed to understand that the official narrative is a wilfull lie is to review the videos of WTC-7. After that, all the rest should fall in place. The fact that they haven’t long ago revealed that we’re awash in programmed, scared, venal idiots.
    RC

  245. Henny 说:
    @Chris Moore

    犹太人不会有事。 白人和少数族裔在他们的脚下卑躬屈膝,不幸的是将继续这样做

  246. 9/11 没有使用飞机。 核爆炸摧毁了两座双子塔。

    110层平铺在地上……所以整个铁骨架(47根核心柱)应该高高地堆在地上。 我们希望看到至少 30 层楼高的卢布堆……但是我们看到了什么??? 最多3个故事。 塔去哪儿了?

    喷气燃料在 1000 度燃烧,钢在 1500 度熔化。即使钢被削弱弯曲和塌陷。 所有 110 层的平底锅和巨大的钢柱都将在地面上。 混凝土可以粉碎,但不能粉碎钢工字梁。

    塔去哪儿了? 地球上只有一种力量能够蒸发钢制工字梁。 核爆炸的温度达到太阳内部的温度,大约 100,000,000 摄氏度,并产生耀眼的火球。

    所以 100000000 摄氏度 = 180000032 华氏度

    180 亿华氏度

    180,000,000.00 / 1500 = 120,000 乘以熔化钢所需的热量。

    那些建筑物被蒸发了。

    尸体在哪里??? 这两座塔楼中仍有 1106 人失踪。 没有发现一丝DNA。 所有这些家庭都为失去亲人而悲痛。 然而,多年后他们仍然失踪。 他们被汽化了。

    辐射暴露中所有预期的癌症患者在哪里:很简单,他们正在用你的税金来偿还。 在收到补偿资金之前,每个人都签署了 NDA。

    https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11th-victim-aid-and-compensation-fast-facts/index.html

    https://nypost.com/2019/02/25/9-11-first-responders-fight-congress-over-compensation-fund/

  247. Sarah 说:

    我最近听到一位耶稣会神父的话,大意是“每次我听到以色列是美国在中东唯一的朋友,我记得在以色列之前,美国在中东没有敌人”——这点很值得记住。

    天呐😏

  248. “有些是基督教犹太复国主义者,他们不需要说服他们采取亲以色列的立场——我只能不寒而栗地想到像米歇尔·巴赫曼或迈克·赫卡比这样的总统会提供什么样的员工和任命。”

    “基督教犹太复国主义者”用词自相矛盾。 基督教和犹太教是截然相反的。 犹太人认为耶稣是一个私生子,充其量是一个成功的暴民煽动者。 他们的核心信念是亚伯拉罕的直系后裔是主要种族,独自一人应该统治地球,并注定要消灭所有其他人,这些人只是被犹太人一时兴起而被操纵、剥削或杀害的没有灵魂的废船。 基督教教义是,父神拣选谁,他将免于他对罪人应得的永恒愤怒,无论其血统或行为如何。 基督教承认自堕落以来,人类都是罪人,这意味着从受孕开始,所有人都在规定的六天内不服从和羞辱上帝——父、子和圣灵——地球、宇宙、生物和人类的创造者就像地球还没有完成之前地球的一转。

    真正的危险是选举一个仅仅自称是基督徒的人。 自称基督徒的人有两个主要的分歧。 第一个是从上帝永恒忿怒中得救的方法。 第二个是我们在地球上所知道的人类历史将如何结束。
    在第一个从被称为罪的宇宙背叛上帝中拯救出来的案例中,最流行的观点是人类可以通过选择拯救,“来到耶稣面前”或“接受基督进入心中”来拯救自己,特别是它的行动罪人选择救恩。 第二种情况是拣选,这是圣经的观点,即上帝选择他愿意放弃他永恒愤怒的人。 听起来不公平,但考虑到亚当的不服从对他所有的后代造成了致命的影响,如果没有上帝的干预,任何人都不会幸免。

    那些自称基督教的人在教会中的第二个主要部分是末世论——关于人类历史将如何结束的观点——“末日”。 末世论有三个主要部分,其中只有两个是重要的。 首先,最积极被吹捧为“基督教末世观”的是千禧年前时代论。 这种观点或多或少是由约翰·纳尔逊·达比在 1820 年代提出的。 CI Scofield 在他的“斯科菲尔德参考圣经”中广受欢迎,其中的笔记很可能是犹太人鬼写的,从这本书对基督教的绝育效果来看。 迄今为止,大多数基督徒仍然将欺诈斯科菲尔德视为基督教的权威,特别是末世论。 预磨“狂喜怪癖”的本质是越糟糕的事情就会变得越好,所以不要以任何方式让事情变得更好。 实际上,投票给魔鬼以挑起耶稣基督的身体回归,然后他将拯救基督徒摆脱抵押贷款,尤其是拯救被围困在耶路撒冷的陷入困境的犹太人,周围有 100,000,000 人的军队 - 犹太人大声否认耶稣的神性,非常上帝和非常人,但耶稣专门回来拯救他们。 狂喜狂的阵营里有好几种关于耶稣在什么苦难阶段从天上跳到地上的说法,但这些都无关紧要。 无千年论是末世论的第二个学派,认为启示录事件发生在公元 70 年,以色列民族、耶路撒冷以及最重要的圣殿被罗马人用双手钉死在十字架上,彻底摧毁了圣殿。 ,上帝之子,救主。 实际上,pre-mill 观点和 amill 观点之间几乎没有区别,因为两者都是冷漠的,包括坐在他们的手上不干预政治或做任何其他事情来影响事件的进程。
    第三种观点是后千禧年主义,它本质上说基督徒要实现大使命,并且耶稣已经给了基督教会——教会这个词的意思是会众,基督教人民——所有的力量来完成大使命,马太福音 28:18- 20:
    “所以你们去教导万民,奉父、子、圣灵的名给他们施洗:教导他们遵守我所吩咐你的一切事:看哪,我与你同在一直到世界尽头。”
    这意味着基督徒的工作是在地上建立上帝的王国。 这意味着所谓的“公民政府”的结束,每个人都承认只有上帝才是人类的主权,并通过遵守上帝的诫命爱人如己而活来荣耀上帝。 请注意,爱是由上帝定义的,而不是由试图相信即使是性也是信仰问题的恶魔附身者。

  249. @Sparkon

    直到外立面倒塌,一个圆孔清晰可见,贯穿五角大楼的第四或第五环。 9 月 11 日在华盛顿没有“追踪”任何东西,联邦调查局立即非常有力地没收了所有视频证据。
    雷达属于政府,任何人都不应该期望任何原始雷达轨迹——完全是军用的——会向公众发布。 有报道称,当五角大楼被击中时,一架白色飞机在华盛顿上空盘旋。 在华盛顿罪犯区,美国防御最严密的十平方英里之一。 我想夏安山、铁山、北达科他州迈诺特等等,现在也有很好的防守,但我认为 DC 一直是防守最严密的,将军们首先勤奋地保护他们的驴。
    另一个惊人的巧合是,五角大楼的四个侧面都配备了装甲以抵御导弹袭击。
    会计师站在没有武装的一边。
    有目击者报告称,一架 757 低空飞行,与击中五角大楼的导弹平行。 像往常一样,没有民用雷达数据。 ATC 的合成雷达仅使用正在运行的应答器跟踪飞机,只有军方使用原始雷达跟踪目标。

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