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这个个人邀请最近到达了我的电子邮件收件箱:

自然,我很高兴。 以色列学者 Yoram Hazony 的书给我留下了深刻的印象 民族主义的美德 甚至通过 Twitter 直接消息与他进行了友好的交流,关于他的出版商奇怪地未能以音频形式发行这本书:

So 莉迪亚 我按时支付了 285 美元的费用(每人) 寄存器. 但我们得到了这样的回应:

是格式信。 杰瑞德·泰勒 美国文艺复兴,他试图以节俭的方式得到 记者证,得到完全相同的东西。

贾里德非常合理地回信询问如果他是“一个 社会主义的 or 开放边界倡导者” 又名典型的成员 主流媒体。

不用说, Hazony 和 Brog 没有礼貌地回答。

但是,Jared 的问题的答案当然是“不!”——防腐剂 总是渴望 MSM 的关注。 Hazony(唉)和 Brog 原来是 cuckservatives ——尽管我认为不是,因为原因(愚蠢、怯懦、野心)激发了典型的美国 cuck。

经过近三年的移民战争,我身经百战。 但我必须承认,我对 Hazony 感到一丝悲伤。 除了他的书,我认为他的推文显示了一个非常有趣的,我认为公平的,介意。

因此,作为一个网站的编辑,近二十年来一直 聚焦“民族问题”——被定义为“美国作为一个民族国家的生存能力”——我自然是 欣喜的 这样:

当然 我同意他 关于民主党的 非常拒绝接受 2016 年选举的结果——现在,穆勒报告发现特朗普竞选团队并没有与俄罗斯“勾结”,但这一发现已经彻底抹黑了:

我认为他是完全正确的,美国的特朗普精神错乱综合症和英国脱欧后的精英发脾气都有一些深层原因:

而且,作为一名英裔美国人,我发现他对“无协议脱欧”优点的深刻理解明显影响:

而且,鉴于我 长期利益圣诞节战争, 我曾是 影响 凭借他的睿智和睿智 响应 朱莉娅·约夫 傲慢的企图 欺负她收养的国家 庆祝 它的 多数人的主要节日:

叹。

Hazony 打开 民族主义的美德对英美传统政治智慧提出了有力的挑战:

英国和美国的政治已经转向民族主义。 这一直困扰着许多人,尤其是在受教育的圈子里,长期以来,全球一体化一直被视为良好政策和道德正派的要求。 从这个角度来看,英国的脱欧公投和华盛顿发出的“美国优先”言论似乎预示着历史回到了一个更原始的阶段,当时公开宣扬好战和种族主义,并允许设置政治立场。国家议程。 由于担心最坏的情况,公众人物、记者和学者以最严厉的方式对民族主义回归美国和英国的公共生活表示遗憾……

[但可以肯定的是,几代前拥护民族主义的许多政治家和知识分子对这个主题有所了解,而不是简单地试图将我们拉回历史上更原始的阶段,即战争贩子和种族主义。 那么,他们在民族主义中看到了什么?...

我自己的背景让我对这个主题有一些了解。 我一生都是犹太民族主义者,犹太复国主义者…….我的大部分时间都生活在一个由民族主义者建立的国家,并且直到今天仍然主要由民族主义者统治……在他们当中,民族主义不是某种深不可测的政治疾病,它会无缘无故地周期性地接管国家结束,正如美国和英国的许多人现在所想的那样。 取而代之的是一种熟悉的政治理论,他们是根据这种理论提出的,一种关于应该如何对政治世界进行排序的理论。

…… 民族主义 我从小就是这样一个原则性的立场,即当国家能够制定自己的独立路线、培养自己的传统并在不受干涉的情况下追求自己的利益时,这个世界才是最好的治理。 这反对 帝国主义, 它旨在通过将人类尽可能地团结在一个单一的政治制度下,为世界带来和平与繁荣。

当然,我认为这很棒。 这听起来与我们所主张的立场一模一样 . 而且,当然,它正好适合 VDARE.com 关于出现 特朗普之前的国家保守主义 通过他使用它 赢得提名总统选举.

请注意,Hazony 巧妙地将欧盟和全球“一体化”定义为“帝国主义”的例子——他称其为“自由帝国主义”,因为它对自由贸易、自由市场、平等原子化、可互换的个人等有着共同的假设。

还要注意,Hazony 完全意识到,尽管它的名称如此,这种现代形式的“自由主义”实际上越来越具有压制性(现在是 VDARE.com 的巨大问题):

[L] 自由帝国主义政治理想已成为当今西方世界煽动不容忍和仇恨的最强大因素之一……

当代美国和欧洲公共生活最显着的特征之一是西方国家现在受到公开羞辱运动和异端追捕的折磨,其目的是污名化一个或另一个人或一群人、意见或政策,被认为有能力对自由主义学说发起任何有意义的抵抗。

关于这些运动的大部分内容都集中在大学自由言论的恶化上,官方和非官方对教授的观点进行审查——包括他们对伊斯兰教、同性恋、 移民 [我的重点——PB],以及许多其他主题——已经变得司空见惯。 但是……许多公共领域现在经常被同类型的诽谤运动所访问……

(有趣的是,伦敦大学教授 埃里克·考夫曼在他的 门牙 新书 白移: 民粹主义、移民和白人多数的未来,也指出自由主义,他称之为“左派现代主义”,越来越依赖于 瑞典新极权主义式镇压 在什么情况下 以前开放的盎格鲁-撒克逊社会. 因此,政治科学家们现在似乎已经将外交承认范围扩大到了这种令人作呕的现象。 也许接下来会发生在保守派政客身上)。

所有的好东西——如果很讽刺的话,考虑到这种“异端追捕”正是 Hazony 和他的同事对完全无害、守法的美国爱国者所做的 美国文艺复兴时期 Jared Taylor 和 VDARE.com 是我们。

Hazony/ Brog“异端狩猎”的另一位受害者:Patrick Casey,该组织的年轻领导人 美国身份运动 激进主义团体。 凯西收到了完全相同的套用信函,但在推特上的回应更为残酷:

随之而来的是一个复杂的多线程推特行。 它以 Hazony 结束,尽管他(对我而言)热情洋溢地表示钦佩英国的公民政治传统和西方自由的非专制“新教建设”,拒绝公开辩论凯西,并最终在 Twitter 上屏蔽了他。 这是凯西的后块结论线程:

我认为他们交流的任何公正的读者都必须得出结论,凯西对 Hazony 的伤害非常严重——考虑到他们在年龄和精英教育资格方面的差异,这非常了不起。

因此 Hazony 立即被迫透露这一点,就像所有 新保守主义者,他实际上认为美国是一个 命题国家:

这头骨, 历史的 否认 任何 民族成分 当然,凯西口齿伶俐的推特支持者对美国国家的虚伪指控表示欢迎,这进一步迫使 Hazony 做出荒谬的说法,即以色列本身就是一种提案国:

它体现的以色列人(和犹太人)所说的“民族”是纯粹的信条:

“他在撒谎,”一位犹太朋友说——以前是 Hazony 的忠实粉丝——我向他展示了这条推文。 (是的,我最好的一些朋友等)“每个犹太人都认为他们是特殊种族的一部分。”

显而易见的事实是,犹太教并不是一个传教的宗教,皈依非常困难,而且历史上需要犹太法律 母系血统 作为犹太人的条件。 不可抗拒的结果:犹太人,虽然不是唯一的,但总体上已经发展了 特征性遗传标记. (这在历史悠久的民族国家中并不少见。有些 60% 的英国男性和 80% 的爱尔兰男性, 携带 R1b 单倍群, 就像我自己一样)。 因此,将以色列视为一个“种族国家”,至少是一个具有文化和种族成分的民族国家,并不是没有道理的。

所以呢? Hazony有问题吗?

嗯,是的,显然他确实如此,事实证明。 但从不明显 民族主义的美德。 史蒂夫·塞勒(Steve Sailer) 在他的 检讨 精明地捡起那个

…Hazony 几乎没有提到移民问题,在这个话题上,美国犹太人情绪激动地让自己陷入了疯狂的状态,而以色列犹太人却一直保持着顽固的头脑。

但我不得不承认我并没有真正注意到这种异常,虽然 以色列模范移民政策特别是作为 关于非法, 一直是 快乐的源泉 VDARE.com 多年。

然而,仔细观察,我发现 Hazony 从未真正说过民族主义有种族因素,尽管他似乎经常暗示这一点,例如:

By 国家, 我的意思是一些具有共同语言或宗教的部落,以及过去作为共同防御和其他大型企业的机构的历史。 圣经系统地提倡一个国家的成员应该把彼此视为“兄弟”的观念,摩西律法为以色列人提供了一部宪法,将他们团结在一起,形成今天所谓的 民族国家. 这种国家的国王会“从你的兄弟中”选出。 它的先知也将是“从你们中间,从你们兄弟中间”。 它的祭司也是如此,他们被任命保护国家的传统法律并将其教导给国王,“这样他的思想就不应该凌驾于他的兄弟之上”。 [强调原创]

“部落”? 所以 Hazony 真的只是像 Lydia 告诉我的那样 #findyourtribe 女孩呢?

“兄弟”? Hazony 真的只是指非字面意思,方式 肯伊威斯特 有吗

还有这个,Hazony反对的地方 约翰洛克的 理性主义社会契约的概念:

我们大多数人都认为,同一父母所生的兄弟姐妹有特殊的责任在需要时互相帮助,这比其他义务更重要。 同样,我们假设祖父母对孙子女负有义务,而孙子女对祖父母负有义务。 但这些家庭关系都不是同意的结果:一个人不选择自己的兄弟或孙子。 因此,这些义务必须来自其他来源。 然而,洛克试图在自由选择和同意的基础上建立家庭的模式并没有产生这样的义务。

我同意,但我看不到任何关于在这里“去拉比法庭”的事情。 Hazony显然意味着血液。

Hazony甚至引用 牧人 赞同地:

因此,最自然的状态是 一种 民族,一个具有民族特征的大家庭。

一个“大家庭”——本质上是 史蒂夫·塞勒(Steve Sailer) “种族”的定义。 但我在这里也没有看到任何关于“拉比法庭”的信息。

Hazony 在古代以色列人的某一点上确实说过:

重要的是要注意,以色列人对国家的概念与生物学无关,或者我们所说的 种族. 对于圣经国家来说,一切都取决于对历史、语言和宗教的共同理解,这种理解从父母传给孩子,但外人也可以加入。 因此,出埃及记教导说,有许多埃及人在逃离埃及时依附于希伯来奴隶,他们在西奈山与以色列其他人一起接受了十诫(更准确地翻译为“十诫”)。 同样,摩西邀请米甸人谢赫叶忒罗加入犹太人。 当摩押人路得准备告诉拿俄米“你的人民是我的人民,你的上帝是我的上帝”时,她就成为了以色列的一部分,她的儿子是大卫王本人的祖先。

但我认为这只是对政治正确的快速鞠躬,甚至是 Hazony 的几个之一(以及 白移的 同样英勇的 Eric P. Kaufmann)显然觉得有必要在整本书中做出这样的贡献。 很明显,偶尔皈依犹太教并不能超过犹太法律数十代人坚持母系血统的影响。

现在我来更仔细地看,然而,我看到 Hazony 提到了犹太法律坚持母系血统的事实 无处——在一本 304 页的书中。

In 民族主义的美德, Hazony 提出了一些紧张的论点,例如希特勒并不是真正的民族主义者,我把它归结为可以理解的人性弱点。 但在这种情况下,我不得不非常悲痛地得出结论,他确实是在故意撒谎——他想在以色列的种族层面和一般成功的民族国家的问题上欺骗他的读者。

正如 AIM 的帕特里克凯西所说,也许 Hazony 并不真正想要“为他的人民而不是为你的人民的民族主义”。 但看起来他非常想要以色列而不是美国的种族。

这就是为什么我说 Hazony 和他的搭档 Brog 不是典型的美国傻瓜——他们想要压制辩论,但出于他们自己的种族原因。

这将我们带到了全国保守主义会议。 菲利普吉拉尔迪粗暴地描述了它的赞助商, 埃德蒙·伯克基金会,作为“只是另一个亲以色列的傀儡”。 他谴责

......在通常的犹太复国主义黑客人群中加入了一些真正的保守派的发言人......[他们]被邀请为活动提供可信度,应该更好地了解并应该像瘟疫一样避免埃德蒙伯克基金会。

[埃德蒙·伯克(Edmund Burke)再次骑行| 但这一次,这匹马是由以色列支付的, Unz 评论, 4 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日]

吉拉尔迪当然是 争议 外交政策知识分子。 He is especially concerned that the National Conservative energy that elected Trump will be co-opted and steered away from a focus on American national interests and into a focus on Israel national interests, which is what he thinks happened to the Conservative Movement after it elected 罗纳德·里根,赢得了冷战,并且 堕落为腐败的球拍保守主义公司.

但移民爱国者的担忧略有不同:会议是否旨在吸收国家保守党的能量并将其引导到安全的提案国家抽象浅层——最重要的是,避免对 民族利益 历史悠久的美国国家?

换句话说,这会是一场类似于 1990 年代的灾难吗? 新保守主义者 (与 可敬的例外) 在背后刺伤移民爱国者, 沮丧 爱国移民改革 GOP / GAP课程人口灾难 因为他们的 自私和非理性的种族挂断?

当然,这一切的悲剧在于它曾经(现在)是如此不必要。 我从来没有遇到过一个美国移民爱国者担心犹太人是否是一个优越的种族,或者对美国国家的定义如此严格以至于将犹太人排除在外。

至少,还没有。

但就哈佐尼全国保守党会议的方向而言,我不得不说它看起来不太好。 伟大的已经够糟糕的了 MSM 确认 特朗普主义的前身, 帕特里克·布坎南(Patrick J.Buchanan)中, 关键理论家 在他的书中将美国作为一个民族国家 共和国而不是帝国, 紧急状态, and 超级大国的自杀, 不是在说话。 更糟糕的是,埃德蒙·伯克基金会(Edmund Burke Foundation)的“会议主席团”感觉有权颁布“与我们所理解的国家保守主义不相容”的法令,特别是考虑到其中一个(至少)是外国公民,自以为在美国充当看门人辩论。

请记住,我们不是在这里谈论 在会议上发言. 我们正在谈论 付钱参加该死的事情.

此外,就个人而言:至少 AIM 的帕特里克·凯西是一名政治活动家,尽管他非常文明(让 Hazony 感到不适的是,他对争论非常精通)。 至少 美国文艺复兴的贾里德·泰勒(Jared Taylor)专注于关于智商差异影响的新闻 流出 贝尔曲线,但没有,因为恐怖统治的死灰复燃。

但 VDARE.com 只是一个开放的单一问题论坛网站 任何人,任何种族或信仰,谁反对美国 1965 年后的移民灾难——我们长期倡导的立场是候选人唐纳德·J·特朗普的立场 在他 2015 年 XNUMX 月的立场文件中概述 and 随后 为他赢得了总统职位.

我们一直在写关于“国家保守主义” 自 2000 年以来:

  1. 社会保守派、新保守派、古保守派和国家保守派(又名爱国者), 彼得 Brimelow, 3 年 2000 月 XNUMX 日
  2. “我把这些问题——平权行动、移民、语言、美国与贸易和金融——我称之为‘国家问题’。 他们都谈到了美国是否是一个国家、一个照顾自己人民的政治共同体,或者它是否已经成为某种全球超市的问题。 我认为对这些问题感兴趣的人就是我所说的民族主义者——民族保守党。”
    建立新的多数派——彼得·布里梅洛对美国事业的演讲, 22年2009月XNUMX日
  3. “随着 2013 年大赦/移民激增法案的斗争进入高潮,了解为什么‘国家保守主义’,一种重视民族和文化认同的保守主义,在美国基本上是不言而喻的,这一点至关重要。 答案是(部分)意识形态的。 在古典意义上,美国的政治辩论历来是自由主义的。 但随着民族政治成为西方世界大部分地区的驱动力,自由主义,无论是古典的还是其他的,都越来越无关紧要。”
    欧洲的移民危机指向美国的未来 by 詹姆斯·柯克帕特里克5月30 2013
  4. 约翰德比郡问:“民族保守主义”会来到美国吗?,3月6,2014
  5. 左派明白小子已经开辟了一条通往“国家保守主义”的道路——但保守主义公司不想知道, 詹姆斯柯克帕特里克,17 年 2014 月 XNUMX 日,
  6. 参议员杰夫塞申斯赢得了使共和党成为“全国保守”党的斗争, 詹姆斯柯克帕特里克,6 年 2014 月 XNUMX 日,
  7. 胜利的共和党是“左转”还是走向杰夫塞申斯式的“民族保守主义”? 通过詹姆斯柯克帕特里克,4 年 2014 月 XNUMX 日
  8. #NRORevolt 证明 National 保守主义 唯一的出路, 詹姆斯·柯克帕特里克 (James Kirkpatrick),14,2015 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日
  9. 美国右翼何去何从:克鲁兹和“运动保守主义”——还是特朗普和 National 保守主义? 通过詹姆斯柯克帕特里克,20 年 2015 月 XNUMX 日
  10. 特朗普在南卡罗来纳州获胜——沙龙的“迪格比”承认民主党人无法应对他的全国保守主义, 作者:Peter Brimelow,20 年 2016 月 XNUMX 日
  11. 共和党转变成全国保守党后,特朗普胜出,詹姆斯·柯克帕特里克(James Kirkpatrick),3 年 2016 月 XNUMX 日
  12. 查尔斯(钟形曲线)默里向国家保守主义迈进, 约翰·德比郡,14 年 2016 月 XNUMX 日
  13. 显示国家保守主义的英国选举是历史的逻辑——即使共和党(还)没有得到它, 詹姆斯·柯克帕特里克(James Kirkpatrick),30,2017 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日

此外,我可以说,我认为列出的会议发言人中至少有 XNUMX 位是我个人熟知的。 早在 XNUMX 年前,我就与他们中的一些人就这个话题进行了长时间的交谈,我相信他们会承认我影响了他们——除了这可能会使他们也暴露在“异端追捕”之下。 因此,像吉拉尔迪一样,我不会责怪他们——但我会敦促他们考虑我/我们的排除所揭示的“会议主席团”部分未说出口的议程。

不像 Hazony 的 民族主义美德, 全国保守主义会议确实 解决移民问题,虽然不是以足够紧急的方式在我看来。

但是,在移民问题上,请注意埃德蒙·伯克基金会主席大卫·布罗格的出席,用吉拉尔迪的话来说,他

……也是 马卡比工作队执行董事,“2015 年发起的一项打击反以色列 BDS 运动的努力。 他还是以色列基督徒联合组织 (CUFI) 的董事会成员,他在头十年担任执行董事。 在 CUFI 之前,布罗格在美国参议院工作了七年, 升任参议员阿伦斯佩克特的参谋长和参议院司法委员会的参谋长。 [原文链接,加重点]

其中让我担心的部分是:阿伦·斯佩克特(Arlen Specter),他代表宾夕法尼亚州作为共和党人工作了 30 年,然后以无原则但谢天谢地的方式转向民主党人 徒然 试图逃避他愤怒的选民,是 在移民方面非常糟糕.

布罗格不可能不知道这一点。 他不在乎吗?

最后,我将引用我关于民族国家的内容,来自我的 “是时候重新考虑移民了?” 国家评论 封面故事,5 年 1992 月 XNUMX 日出版,当时 Hazony 还在罗格斯大学攻读博士学位:

“我们是一个移民国家。” 如果没有人提出这个有益的评论,那么关于美国移民政策的讨论就不会走得太远。 作为一名移民,我总是恭敬地停下来。 你永远不会知道。 也许这就是他们现在在学校里被教唱的东西,一种多元文化的效忠誓言。

但它偷偷地逗乐了我。 他们真的认为其他国家是从地下冒出来的吗? (“土生土长的”是古典希腊词。)事实是,所有国家都是移民国家。 但是这个过程通常是如此缓慢和历史悠久,以至于人们忽略了它……

所以所有国家都是由移民组成的。 但什么是国家——所有这些融合的最终产物? 这将我们带入了一个语言是武器的领域,就像 乔治奥威尔指出 几年前。 “民族”——正如其拉丁词根所暗示的那样 纯洁的,要出生,本质上意味着血脉相连。 一个国家是一个大家庭。 所有国家所经历的融合过程不仅是文化上的,而且在很大程度上是生物学上的,通过通婚。

出于各种原因,自由派评论员对此深感苦恼。 他们经常谴责对共同种族的呼吁是“本土主义”或“部落。” 具有讽刺意味的是,当我在大学学习非洲历史时,我的政治正确导师反对任何提及“部落”的内容。 这些小的、原始的、不连贯的分组 他说,应该被尊称为“国家”。 这提出了一个有用的定义:部落主义/本土主义是自由主义者不赞成的民族主义。

美国在这一点上的政治辩论受到一个特殊困难的阻碍。 美国编辑深信“国家”一词会让读者感到困惑,除非专门针对美国的组成部分——纽约、加利福尼亚等。因此,在谈到主权政治结构时,英国人会使用“国家”一词,德国人“状态,” 和法语“伊塔特,”这里的记者不得不使用“国家”这个词。

因此,在 1980 年代后期,经常看到提到“ 南斯拉夫民族,”当南斯拉夫的问题是 正是因为它根本不是一个国家, 而是一个包含几个不同的小而激烈的国家——克罗地亚人、塞尔维亚人等的国家。(以我的建设性方式,我一直试图引入“政治”这个词,作为“国家”的替代词——韦伯斯特将其定义为“一个有政治组织的单位。”但它很没有希望。编辑总是把它和“政策”混为一谈。)

这种定义上的困难解释了美国政治的常规娱乐之一:骚动,因为有人毫无防备地将美国描述为 “基督教国家。” 当然,从绝大多数美国人是基督徒的意义上说,这不亚于显而易见的事实。 它与世俗国家(政体)丝毫不矛盾。

但 N 字的困难有一个更严重的后果:这意味着美国评论员正在忽视“民族国家”的概念——一种主权结构,是特定民族文化群体的政治表达。 然而,民族国家是现代的重要发明之一。 大众识字、教育和流动性重视文化和种族同质性的统一效应。 伟大的前现代多国帝国没有一个幸存下来。 (布鲁塞尔的官僚机构可能是 试图创造另一个,但还有很长的路要走。)

这就是为什么 Ben Wattenberg 能够侥幸谈论“普遍国家”的原因。 从表面上看,这是一个矛盾的术语。 正如瓦滕贝格所暗示的那样,他的意思是不同的移民群体最终将通婚,产生他所说的,引用 英国诗人约翰·梅斯菲尔德,一场“奇妙的比赛”。 或者他们至少会被美国文化所同化,​​虽然美国文化在全球占主导地位,但几乎不是“普遍的”。 但与此同时,也有一些棘手的问题。 这个“世界民族”会说什么语言? 如何避免种族冲突? 双重忠诚? 像巴别塔一样倒塌? 瓦滕贝格没有被要求调和这些问题,尽管他并非没有意识到这些问题,因为在美国政治话语中,美国民族国家的理想已经黯然失色。

我会说我相信我在这里预料到了 Hazony 的关键主题——除了我更诚实,尽管以一种完全不狂热的方式,关于种族在民族国家中的作用。

很抱歉,他显然不想在华盛顿特区和我讨论这些有趣的话题

但我会活下来。 我对 Yoram Hazony 的结论,在 我毫不怀疑他崇拜一位诗人:

哦,东方就是东方,西方就是西方,这两者永远不会相遇。

彼得·布里默洛[给他发电子邮件]是的编辑 VDARE.com。 他最畅销的书, 外国人:关于美国移民灾难的常识, 现在可以Kindle格式使用。

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  1. A long article to get to the truth: Yoram Hazony is just another example of what Zman calls “a right-wing grifer.”

    • 回复: @Hail
    , @Richard B
  2. Rational 说:

    PER JUDAISTS, ALIENS FOR THEE, NOT FOR ME.

    This is another example of Jewish conmen promoting the alien invasion for US/EU/AUS (white nations) to exterminate and destroy the goyim, by proxy, but want to keep Israel pure.

    They want us to open our borders to all the global trash, who have no right to be even here, but, in Israel, they steal land from the Palis, steal their water, shoot Palestinian children, call aliens infiltrators.

    They use all kinds of mumbo jumbo, lies and scams, to cover up this duplicity and depravity.

    Savages in suits, these Judaists. We must work harder to civilize these barbarians.

    • 回复: @Richard B
  3. It’s a bit of a cheek to call it the “Edmund Burke Foundation”. Perhaps American Gentiles should start a “Theodor Herzl Foundation” with the goal of creating a national homeland for Americans.

    The “Proposition Nation” idea is baloney too. There is no reason why a “Proposition Nation” cannot also be an ethnostate. France is a Proposition Nation (the proposition being 自由,平等,博爱), but it is, or was, undoubtedly also the home of the French.

    It is particularly reprehensible when the idea of a Proposition Nation is used to justify immigration by anyone who assents to the proposition – then used in practice for mass immigration of people whether they assent to the proposition or not.

    • 同意: Dieter Kief, Richard B
    • 回复: @Dave Pinsen
  4. So the Edmund Burke Foundation thinks Brimelow’s some kind of Nazi? What a bunch of contemptible cowards!

    • 同意: YetAnotherAnon
    • 回复: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @niteranger
  5. Dutch Boy 说:

    Giraldi is correct that the conference will be attempt to divert national conservatism from America First to Israel First. One of the tools to do so will be the America as a proposition nation ploy (one strategy goes with the other). Both are staples of Neo-Conservatism.

  6. Good thing I didn’t waste time on his book. Just another Zionist impudently trying to impose his MIGA agenda onto other peoples’ nationalisms, after greasing them up with his “Based Jew” shtick.

  7. Hail 说: • 您的网站

    Do they really think other nations sprouted up out of the ground? …. The truth is that all nations are nations of immigrants.

    This is a great point which, unfortunately, I seldom hear made.

    All nations begin with settlers from somewhere else (“immigrants,” if you must), but the population stabilizes and soon enough a new, recognizable ethno-political unit is ‘born.’ This process was no different in North America during the era of White settlement than it has been in any part of the old world in centuries past.

    The “nation of immigrants” line is a trump card they use to shut down debate, demoralize ‘heritage’ Americans, and take and hold the moral high ground. But it’s more even than that:

    The Jewish narrative about the USA is that somehow the USA belongs primarily to ‘any random foreigners who happen to show up, who are, we often hear implicitly (sometimes explicitly) “more American” than those of us with many generations of American origin on most/all their ancestral lines. True Believers in the Nation of Immigrants swindle would thus be weaponized to push their own replacement, the destruction of their own people.

    “Nation of Immigrants”: A long-running, successful anti-American meme.

    • 回复: @Franklin Ryckaert
  8. Hail 说: • 您的网站
    @Diversity Heretic

    “Grifter” would seem to be a charitable description.

    More like a kind of political commissar, enforcing Zionism and aggressive Jewish nationalism at the expense of White-Christian interests. Reading Brimelow’s article, he does come off that way, sliding into the caricature.

  9. @Anatoly Karlin

    Instead of spending money on their books a good rule of thumb is to assume that all “Jewish conservatives” are like this.

    • 同意: Kent Nationalist
  10. AaronB 说:

    Lol, its amusing to see an Enlightenment thinker – used to abstract, clearly defined ideas – grapple with an organic idea that refuses to limit itself to sharp categories.

    Its true that Judaism has an ethnic 元件 – but this is light years away from being racially based, and indeed this ethnic component is quite flexible.

    When a full 50% of one’s ancestry may be of any race whatsoever, and a conduit is available for 100% racially different people to join, this idea must be clearly be hostile to white racialism.

    Did you really think Hazony, who loves a nation that is composed of blond l light skinned people and brown skinned dark haired people, of blacks and Asians, would be sympathetic to white racialiasm?

    It’s really interesting that you did not understand this.

    And no, Judaism is not merely “creedal” either – it is 存在 – conversion involves a transformation of the way one lives and feels, and not mere assent to some feeble formula. It is an organic phenomenon that fuses disparate elements – but this is hard for an Enlightenment mind to understand.

    Why not learn from this what a true, healthy, organic, soil based nationalism is – rather than stick to an untenable uni-dimensional insistence on pure biological criteria, which no healthy traditional culture has ever maintained?

    If Hazony isn’t sympathetic to you, maybe you’re not on the right path? And if your ideas derive from abstract Enlightenment ideas, and privilege solely material categories, just like the modern Left – aren’t you a bit suspicious?

  11. @Anatoly Karlin

    In partial defense of Hazony, as Luke Ford has pointed out, he’s got like ten kids, and, AFAIK, isn’t independently wealthy. So there appears to be a limit in how far he can go. I pushed back against him about this on Twitter on Saturday (see below), but now I think the reason he dis-invited Peter and Jared Taylor isn’t because their ideas are beyond the pale, but because there’s little if any daylight between his ideas and theirs, and if they all end up mostly agreeing with each other at the conference, the powers that be are going to do to Hazony what they’ve done to Taylor, Derb, etc.

  12. @James N. Kennett

    A Herzl Foundation for nationalism is actually a brilliant idea, and Peter and friends should start one. They could almost certainly get an orthodox Jews to speak, which would give them some cover from the usual accusations. I’d try to get someone like Paul Kagame to speak too, which would counter the other usual accusations. Maybe schedule it immediately before or after UN week to increase the chances of getting foreign dignitaries.

    • 回复: @Not Raul
  13. @AaronB

    亚伦B—Why not learn from this what a true, healthy, organic, soil based nationalism is

    In 章节 1 of 犹太历史,犹太宗教, Israel Shahak writes: ‘By this official definition, Israel “belongs” to persons who are defined by the Israeli authorities as “Jewish”, irrespective of where they live, and to them alone. On the other hand, Israel doesn’t officially “belong” to its non-Jewish citizens, whose status is considered even officially as inferior.’

    He then considers the probable Jewish reaction if other countries did indeed ‘learn from’ Israel’s brand of ‘healthy nationalism’: ‘I suspect that the Jews of the USA or of Britain would regard it as antisemitic if Christians would propose that the USA or the United Kingdom should become a “Christian state”, belonging only to citizens officially defined as “Christians”’, and where Jews were officially inferior.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  14. AaronB 说:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Yes, many Jews in the USA are hypocritical and inconsistent – this is true.

    But I suspect Yoram Hazony would be sympathetic if Christianity was highly privileged within America and Britain.

    But my point is simply that white racialism is a very different beast than the kind of healthy organic nationalism that has existed in the past, which has a flexible ethnic and racial component, and strong cultural and religious dimensions of identity.

    And what Brimelow is trying to do has very little in common with Israeli nationalism, and he was foolish to think it did.

    White racialism is an abstract Enlightenment idea – it is one dimensional, and entirely biological.

  15. @AaronB

    AaronB—I cannot think of any successful nations which had, or have, flexible ethnic and racial components. Indeed, the deterioration of white nations is directly linked to the arrival of alien races and religions.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  16. @AaronB

    How are Jewish Americans, as an ethnic group, any different than Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Hispanic Americans, Arab Americans, Chinese Americans or any other distinctive American ethnic group?

    Most of them are not religious. They often define themselves, as an ethnic group, in contradistinction to those other ethnic groups — of the same type of recognizable tribe, but with their own distinctive physical, temperamental and cultural traits.

    That is one question.

    The other question is, would Jews permit non-Jews to become a demographic majority in Israel? If not, why not?

    The issue is not religion per se: again, many Jews are not religious but still consider themselves to be proud ethnic and nationalist Jews. Zionism itself from the start was a secularist movement which defined Jews explicitly as a “race.”

    The intellectual muddle and confusion around these issues is really quite extraordinary.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @joeshittheragman
  17. AaronB 说:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Umm, the Jews, as I pointed out?

    But indeed every nation is composed of the fusion of disparate ethnic elements. The whitest European nations are mixes.

    But you’re thinking in too absolutist and maximalist a way, in abstract principles.

    Maximum flexibility would mean there was no ethnic component whatsoever – and I did not advocate that. One cannot be infinitely flexible.

    For instance, Israel brought the Ethiopian Jews to Israel, at great risk and expense, but I don’t think they would have done so if they would have numbered in the millions, at risk of becoming a racial majority.

    Flexibility is the opposite of maximalism – the opposite of rigid abstract ideas of the kind favored by Enlightenment thinking. It is organic and deals flexibly with specific contingencies.

    So yes, have an ethnic component at your core – but to define your national identity as solely racial has no precedent in any traditional society.

    What’s more, a vital national identity must have a cultural and religious dimension – it cannot be merely biological, as you are attempting to do. It must also be a commitment to a shared fate – this is existential, not “creedal”, not mere abstract belief, but trust, loyalty, and willingness to share good and bad, to die together, and flourish together, whatever happens.

    Members of other races who make this kind of existential commitment have always been accepted into the group, within limits. This is not the American notion of assent to some abstract principles like human rights.

    A nation cannot be built on abstract Enlightenment ideas as Peter Brimelow is trying to do – it is a full existential phenomenon.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @vinteuil
    , @Anon
  18. AaronB 说:
    @Sean McBride

    Jewish identity is “existential” – it has multiple dimensions.

    Secular Jews have, first of all, residual spiritual beliefs – true secular Jews fully assimilate. Commitment to the Jewish people is a residual spiritual belief (cannot be defended by materialist values).

    Second, they have cultural commitments to Judaism. Third, they have an existential commitment to the Jewish people – they willingly bind themselves to its fate, a loyalty beyond materialist and genetic considerations.

    In this way, the entire man is involved, and one cannot point to weakness in any one dimension as definitive.

    Israel would not permit non Jews to become a majority – but Jewihness is not primarily a racial category, although it has an ethnic component.

    Zionism did not define Jews as a race – but as a people. And in fact, explicitly made people with one Jewish grandparent eligible for membership in this people. Again this illustrates the ethnic component as well as flexibility.

    The intellectual muddle and confusion around these issues is really quite extraordinary.

    A certain amount of clarity is certainly possible, but this is an area with fuzzy boundaries, compromises, and multiple overlapping categories – because it is an organic phenomenon, not an abstract Enlightenment idea.

  19. @AaronB

    What you are really saying is that there are no essential differences between Jewish ethnic nationalism and all other expressions of ethnic nationalism — white, black, Asian, Arab, etc. — and their more fine-grained manifestations — German, French, English, Chinese, Japanese, Turkish, etc. In fact, Zionism modeled itself on late-19th century European ethnic nationalist sentiment (combined with Old Testament/Torah Jewish nationalist memes).

    All of these varieties of ethnic nationalism package their programs with high-minded religious or pseudo-religious symbolism and messianic idealism. Zionism and Jewish nationalism are not unique in this — they fit the mold to a T.

    If ethnic nationalism is legitimate for one ethnic group, it is legitimate for all ethnic groups. One can’t pick and choose without engaging in twisty intellectual sophistry of the type that Yoram Hazony displayed. If ethnic nationalism is good for me, it is good for thee. If it is bad for thee, it is bad for me.

    Notice that “white” nations, like the United States and European nations, have been far more generous in their immigration policies, especially with regard to political refugees, than Israel.

    All ethnic nationalist polities have some degree of flexibility in accepting the presence of ethnic outsiders in their cultures. It all depends on the numbers and degree of influence of ethnic outsiders. No ethnic nationalist polity anywhere is likely to accept being overwhelmed and dominated by hostile ethnic groups that seek to eradicate it. Israel is hardly an exception to this rule.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  20. Big league prediction/prophecy: in order to survive, Israel will not only need to accept the existence of “white” ethnic nationalist movements in the West, it will need to embrace, encourage and help enable them — to join forces with them.

    The logical basis for this prediction should be obvious: much of the contemporary left is motivated by a fierce hatred of whites, males, heterosexuals, Christians, free speech, meritocracy, Western values in general — and — Israelis and Jews. Many progressives and intersectionalists now define Israelis and Jews as core components of the “white” evil empire that needs to be eradicated and replaced by people of color, feminists, LGBTQ activists, Muslims and other “marginalized” groups. Linda Sarsour, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are just the tip of the spear, an early warning indicator.

    Do the political math when thinking ahead. One wonders if Hazony has done it.

    (I neither support nor oppose this scenario — I am just objectively trying to figure out what is likely to happen in Western politics moving forward. I am generally a classical liberal in my basic political instincts, pro-individualism and talentocracy. But the contemporary left has effectively wiped out classical liberalism and replaced it with fanatical identity politics.)

    • 同意: iffen
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  21. Not Raul 说:
    @Dave Pinsen

    I agree. A Herzl Foundation for nationalism is a brilliant idea. It should be set up.

  22. Not Raul 说:

    Hazony is a slippery snake; but he’s not as clever as he thinks he is.

    An occasional marriage of a Gentile in to Judaism isn’t proof of Israel being a Proposition Nation; in fact, it’s evidence of the opposite. People occasionally marry in to extended families. If that’s the best Hazony can do . . .

    To give just one example of intermarriage being consistent with ethnic nationhood, the German nation has added members through intermarriage for thousands of years. Some prominent German families have names with obvious Slavic, French, or other origin.

  23. Not Raul 说:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Have you seen the list of speakers? It’s more Bolton than Burke.

  24. @Dave Pinsen

    Well sure, but as I understand, Hazony has secure tenure in Israel, where views like his are hardly controversial (there are rabbis who praise Hitler there), so I would think that his chances of incurring negative repercussions from having the likes of Casey or Brimelow around – as ordinary guests, not speakers! – is extremely low.

    @菲利克斯,

    Wherever did you get the idea I was going to 购买 Hazony’s book.

  25. I get the impression that American white nationalists are so obsessed by race because that’s all they have. You can’t base American nationalism on a shared religion because it’s a post-religious society. You can’t base American nationalism on a shared culture because American culture is just a mishmash of European, Jewish and black culture. You can’t base American nationalism on the proposition nation thing because there aren’t any propositions that everyone agrees on.

    There’s nothing at all on which to base American nationalism.

    That’s why the concept of America as an empire is much more popular. Empires don’t have to be united by anything other than the desire for war and imperial expansion.

    • 同意: AaronB, utu
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  26. The ‘Edmund Burke Foundation’ is just another Zionist front group, isn’t it?

  27. White Racial Nationalism is c0mpletely incompatible with the worship of Corporate Oligarchs and rule by Mega-Corporati0ns….

    Corporate Oligarchs deserve to be thrown into a vat of sulfuric acid….

    The National Review=The Cuckservative Pederast Homosexual Review…..

  28. Well, Hazony is either a phony, and/or Brog’s slave.

  29. @Sean McBride

    ‘What you are really saying is that there are no essential differences between Jewish ethnic nationalism and all other expressions of ethnic nationalism — white, black, Asian, Arab, etc. — and their more fine-grained manifestations — German, French, English, Chinese, Japanese, Turkish, etc…”

    There are three important differences.

    The first is that other nationalities more or less have their own land — sometimes the borders are murky, and much grief flows from that — but there is a Holland, a France, a Catalonia, etc.

    Jews need to take someone else’s land — and they have. They just won’t admit it.

    The second difference is that other nationalities, by and large, have fought their own wars. Turkey took on Greece to establish the modern Republic of Turkey. France eventually prevailed in the Hundred Years War. Etc.

    Jewish nationalists relied on the United States to create their nation and have come to rely on the United States to nurture it, to protect it, to arm it, and to fight wars for it. Witness current events.

    The third difference is that there is no single Jewish people. Yemeni Jews have about as much in common with Polish Jews as Irish Catholics have in common with Filipino Catholics. However, no one has tried to make a single nation called ‘Catholic Land’ and make it work. It wouldn’t work. Neither does the Jewish ‘nation.’

    • 同意: Twodees Partain
    • 回复: @Sean McBride
  30. @AaronB

    ‘Umm, the Jews, as I pointed out?

    But indeed every nation is composed of the fusion of disparate ethnic elements. The whitest European nations are mixes…’

    But the Jews 没有 fused. Israel is a congerie of disparate elements, most of whom hate each other, and who remain divided along ethnic lines.

    The only thing binding them together is the continuous threat of ‘the enemy at the gates’ — a threat they take good care to keep in being by more or less continuously baiting and provoking somebody.

    Witness current events.

  31. ‘…My own background allows me some insight into the subject. I have been a Jewish nationalist, a Zionist, all my life….

    …The nationalism I grew up with is a principled standpoint that regards the world as governed best when nations are able to chart their own independent course, cultivating their own traditions and pursuing their own interests without interference. This is opposed to imperialism, which seeks to bring peace and prosperity to the world by uniting mankind, as much as possible, under a single political regime.

    ‘And…oh yeah. My nationalism also allows me to endlessly grind my boot into the face of a race of captive Untermenschen, caged in their own land, for all time. It’s pretty cool.’

  32. I don’t see here a chameleon-like behavior often attributed to Jews: they simply are an anomalous nation. For the, “race” means something different than to other people, east & west. You’re Jewish if your mother is, technically, and she may be black,brown, yellow,…whatever.

    It’s just an unsolvable clash of world-views, no essentially a hypocrisy. They are ethnic nationalists, but not with classic “racial” element of phenotype etc. most people identify with in Europe & (east)Asia. To me, their conception of “nation” is more like Indian caste (which did have racial element thousands years ago,but it got diluted).

    • 同意: AaronB
    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  33. @dfordoom

    There’s nothing at all on which to base American nationalism.

    When I was a lad in the 1950s I recognized American nationalism, even if I never thought about it much. I understood that I was part of something larger than my immediate family, my other relatives, my neighborhood, etc. It extended backward in time through a history that was partly mine even though I had played no personal part in it, and would (I expected) carry on into the future.

    That nationalism was partly ethnic and racial (and what’s wrong with that?). Most people around me were white. Most people I saw on TV and in the movies were white; no Negroes pretending onscreen to be brilliant detectives, head-of-department physicians, captains of industry, figures of magic.

    But the ethnic component wasn’t total and absolute. Lots of Jews where I grew up, and I never doubted for a minute they shared my nationality (maybe I should have doubted it). I encountered real-life black people doing various jobs in my surroundings, and accepted them for who they were without imagining they secretly hated me. The TV showed old movies of World War II vintage with the usual mixed Navy unit or bomber crew — a New York Italian, a Texan stud, a Jew, possibly a hispanic or Chinese, maybe an American Indian.

    You could say that we were something of a proposition nation in those days: one felt that the Italian, Texan, etc. believed in the United States of America and understood it in basically the same terms as I did. But it would never have occurred to me that I would one day visit a government bureau where every face behind the counter was black or Asian, shop in stores where almost all conversation around me was in Spanish and Chinese, go to an office where half the employees were natives of India.

    We had, once, quite a bit on which to base American nationalism.

    • 回复: @Forbes
    , @dfordoom
  34. There is silliness and then there us the ridiculous. The reason the issue of race is not embroil;ed throughout the Constitution is because the founders had repeatedly had these discussions and knew by history they wanted a nation founded on principles and not race or even ethnicity.

    Now clearly the founders as whites functioned in said manner, but what is clear is that they knew national identity would not be predicated on “race” because it had proven to be a foundation that would contradicted the principles upon which they were forging a “new nation”. And that is why the black experience matters because no other peoples in the US have an ideological history that is forged soly on the principles of the US – none. The stories about ties to the old world are but nearly all imagined and constructed. Because the continent as was Europe and Asia was comprised of multitudes of civilizations who may have shared a common skin tone in varying degrees, but differed in culture and civilization. One of the tragedies and blessings is that the heritage of the old world were gone and blacks as slaves and then as citizens had o forger their own. Even the calls for a black african diaspora are but thin shades of African reality.

    The argument that nationality is not about race, especially in the US is correct. No one need deny the ethnic differences and who by numbers contributed what, but race is no barrier to the existence and practice of being a US citizen. All citizens look to the Constitutional frame for issues about citizenship, regardless of color, height, weight . . . etc.

    And it would be false that one cannot recognize issues of ethnic inheritances and differences, even to biology — and enhance one’s citizenship. In fact the founders sought to limit and diffuse if not altogether remove those levels of class distinctions to any superior condition of citizenship. neither wealth nor birth make anyone more a citizen than any other. Though clearly there are plenty ho think so and even engage as if that were the case. One is not more a citizen because of their skin color, though whites have used skin color to deny and limit citizenship and the access to all that citizenship offers.

    It would be an error to adopt or defend such practices as helping to build a strong and healthy nation.

    -------

    Those concerned that they have nothing left . . . might want to rely on what the founders left concerning nation and intended to be used for the same. And it was not skin color.

  35. In a word, Metzitzah~B’peh.
    The Jewish rite, male circumcision via the Rabbi sucking off the foreskin, not just essential hormones are stolen. The psychotic/psychosis, of the Jews, is not going to heal, until the paedophilia stops.

  36. Jason Liu 说:

    I find his book to be a long-winded way of saying “turn the clock back to the 50s”, which he has no plan on how to do. Like many right wing daydreams, it doesn’t explain how to defeat the liberal opposition, meaning it’s not a solution at all.

  37. @Hail

    “…Do they really think other nations sprouted up out of the ground? …. The truth is that all nations are nations of immigrants…”

    True, but you have to ask yourself what kind of immigrants?
    True nations were formed by immigrants that were 密切相关 in terms of race and culture, so in the course of history they could melt into an organic whole. If the racial and cultural differences are too great, no such organic whole can ever be formed. This is a point wilfully omitted by the open borders enthusiasts. They often mention that in the US the Irish and the Italian immigrants had difficulty to integrate, but eventually did so successfully. 因此 Chinese, Indians, Arabs and Africans will eventually also integrate and become part of the organic whole, wilfully ignoring the fact that the racial and cultural differences between these groups and the core white Americans are far greater than that of the Irish or Italians. But it is of course “racist” to mention this fact. We cannot get around the fact that race is a basic element of group identity and ignoring it will be disastrous.

    Yoram Hazony and his tribal brothers only want to use American conservatives for their own tribal interests, while not allowing them to pursue their own. This is the age old Jewish dual strategy of “strengthening Jews, while weakening Goyim”.

  38. vinteuil 说:
    @AaronB

    …what Brimelow is trying to do has very little in common with Israeli nationalism, and he was foolish to think it did.

    So what, according to you, is Brimelow “trying to do?” You seem to imply that his version of nationalism is based purely on racial identity – but there are passages in Brimelow’s article that directly contradict this:

    …VDARE.com is merely a single-issue forum website open to anyone, of any race or creed, who opposes America’s post-1965 immigration disaster…

    Frankly, your criticisms of Brimelow seem to rely not on anything he has actually said or written, but on your own woozy misrepresentations thereof. Since you are evidently incapable of paraphrasing him accurately, why not just quote him, and say what you think is wrong with what he actually said or wrote?

  39. vinteuil 说:
    @AaronB

    Oh, and, AaronB, every time you start carrying on about “rigid abstract ideas of the kind favored by Enlightenment thinking” I blush for you. Were Descartes, & Spinoza, & Leibniz, & Locke, & Hume, & Kant, somehow more inclined to “rigid abstract ideas” than Plato, & Aristotle, & Augustine, & Averroes, & Avicenna, & St Thomas? Do you have any idea?

  40. @AaronB

    Politics is downstream from culture/religion which is downstream from ethnicity.

    A nation is an essential hierarchy with an extended hereditary family at its core. Nebulous ramblings about “multiple dimensions” are simply feeble attempts to muddy the waters and deny any hierarchy , as if every aspect were of equal importance (all hail the great God of Equality as mandated in the Zero’th Commandment, you know, the one Satan added while nobody was looking). This is spurious at best, and deviously disingenuous at its worst. In addition, it eliminates any responsibility to ever define quantifiable percentages and limits on any aspect whatsoever.

    In summation, it is just another slightly more sophisticated spew of sophistry, in order to gull the ignorant, and perpetuate the usual double standard in support of what is in the best interests of the Chosen Tribe at any given point in history.

  41. @Sean McBride

    How are Jewish Americans, as an ethnic group, any different than Italian Americans, Irish Americans, Hispanic Americans, Arab Americans, Chinese Americans or any other distinctive American ethnic group?
    ---------------------------
    The difference is all jews are known to be traitors to the nation they reside in other than israel.

    • 同意: neutral
  42. Alfred 说:

    It is amazing how the Jews seem to infiltrate every conceivable political organisation and then proceed to turn it in the direction that they consider to be to their advantage. It is a very clever strategy but it risks them getting thrown out of politics altogether.

  43. @AaronB

    Over 60% of your comment is coherent & rational, but you lost it when you started “offering” Jewish model to others.

    As I said, Jews are something of an anomaly. I don’t know about this man, whether he’s sincere or not….but this is not the point.

    The point is virtually all “real” peoples with roots are: more or less similar phenotype + language & historical culture, often religion, identity myths, tales, emotional foci…. + their land. This is so with Slovak, French, Russian, English, Norwegians, Mongols, Chinese.

    For new peoples like Americans, which does not exist, I think, anymore (but it did from 1790s to 1960s) it was: Euro-phenotype + English language + Western culture (so- no Muslims, Hindus,..) + American historical identity (Washington, Jefferson etc.). So, an Italian or Hungarian immigrant’s child could say “we” & think of being American because he was: white, spoke English, belonged to Christianity (i.e. Western culture) & could consider Jefferson or Lincoln as his national heroes (without having ancestral connections with their ethnic, WASP group).

    But, the Japanese immigrant child was something different; even if he spoke English & admired Lincoln, he was not of Euro-phenotype nor did belong to the Western culture. Sorry, but that’s the way it would work in 1930s, 1960s & some times later. This guy could have all the rights, but was not, by most Americans & most foreigners considered to be “an American”.

    As for Jews, those who looked white, spoke English, belonged to some diluted form of Judaism (although not Christianity, it somewhat uneasily assimilated into broad Western culture) & cherished historical American identity- he could be considered to belong to the American people, although with some reservations.

    When we analyze Jews in Israel, we see that they follow their traditional ethnic lore: those born of Jewish mother are Jews. So, father could be African, Australian Abo, Eskimo, Mongol, Maori, Bushman, Japanese,… and the progeny is still- a Jew.

    So, their concept of national identity is incompatible not only with white “racial” identity, but with any racialist, or better- with any normal traditional. They- at least in theory- do not feel threatened by presence of an “alien blood”; they define themselves, apart from culture & history, with presence of “their blood”.

    Needless to say, such a notion of peoplehood runs contrary to all traditional notions of national identity: you can’t have Czech nation which is, say, 30% visually Chinese; you can’t have Chinese nation which is, visually, 30% black African.

    So, in the case of the US- you basically can’t trust Jews when it comes to race matters. Not because of some grand conspiracy, but simply because they view world through different lens. In the US, there is, I think, a non-negligible level of race mixing of Jewish females & non-white (not only non-Jewish, but even African, Asian,..) men & their children are, at least technically- Jews.

    这根本不是大多数欧美人看待自己身份的方式。

    • 回复: @dfordoom
    , @awry
  44. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    White racialism is an abstract Enlightenment idea – it is one dimensional, and entirely biological.

    Not if white is a package deal, and we don’t “know” for sure that it is not.

    I think that I am beginning to see the substance of RT’s complaint about you.

  45. RVBlake 说:

    It’s interesting that in his book, Hazony lauds the nationalistic impulse of nations to chart their course without interference. He must regard AIPAC and his co-ethnics’ neocon manipulation of U. S. foreign policy in service to our Greatest Ally in the Mideast to be non-interfering. This illustrates the truth of Patrick Casey’s “for thee not for me” response to Hazony.

  46. AWM 说:

    East is East and West is West is such an old concept.
    Anybody can see the planet is divided into North and South.

    And as far as all this “racialization” or “tribalism” I would like to remind everyone that “whites” eat real good, and without them it seems almost everybody else except for their Marxist Masters wouldn’t.

  47. I would just add that the title, from Kipling, is misleading. In both “East” & “West”, phenotype plus language-culture/history is 练习 norm. The same with Danes & Portuguese as with Koreans & Japanese. Europe & far East are, in this respect, the same.

    “Multiracial” mess is the norm only in mid-East (Arabs & Jews), India, Indonesia & similar places (African tribes & peoples I don’t know much about).

    But if we take into account only historical, literate peoples- then we can conclude that axis joining Arab-Islamic world & Indonesia, going through India, is radically different in their conception of nationhood.

  48. “True nations were formed by immigrants that were closely related in terms of race and culture, so in the course of history they could melt into an organic whole. If the racial and cultural differences are too great, no such organic whole can ever be formed.”

    If this were accurate there would be no need to write a Constitution. Nationality is not the same as race. And one need not dismiss the role of biology (if one chooses) to the national character. But a heavy lean is why we have debate concerning “political correctness”.

    It’s like saying, the “indian nation” in today’s parlance — the fact is there are several indian nations that we as a country have attempted to mold into one based on biology.

    ----------------

    Acknowledging that nationalism is not by definition biology does not bar the critique regarding how Israel defines itself — which ought to be one vested in the orientation to belief in a single or the single God and one’s relationship to the same as understood in the OT.

  49. mp 说:

    …—cuckservatives are always desperate for MSM attention. And Hazony (alas) and Brog turn out to be cuckservative…

    Are Hazony and Brog Jews? Not sure about the latter. But Jews are not ‘cucks’. They fully support their race. It is goyim fellow travelers that are the cucks. They are the ones ‘selling out’ their racial interests. Get this straight.

    That’s a big problem with guys like Brimelow and Taylor, who misuse the language. Politically they are hooked into this ‘conservative-liberal’ dichotomy, a schematic that has no meaning to Jews, who work both ends against European folk. Brim and Taylor really need to understand this. What’s the odds that will happen?

  50. 在民族主义和身份政治方面,Hazony是“ HYPOCRITE JEW”-还有其他种类吗?

    Peter Brimelow has fought for the historic American nation for decades. But Brimelow is up against billionaire Jew GOP donors such as Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer.

    Adelson and Singer want to continue to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA using mass legal immigration and illegal immigration as demographic weapons. Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer DO NOT push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration for Israel.

    The Republican Party has been captured by JEW BILLIONAIRES and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction and by various and assorted other GOP globalizers who all push mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and multicultural mayhem. The JEW BILLIONAIRES and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction and the GOP globalizers must be removed from power in the USA.

    2015年的推文:

  51. @Colin Wright

    All lands are acquired by peoples by force, right? Nation-building has always been a messy business — a struggle for control of territory by competing tribes and cultural groups. Some tribes win, some tribes lose.

    Israeli Jewish culture at this point seems to be as uniform as that of most other ethnostates.

    Don’t get me wrong: I understand all the arguments, moral and pragmatic, against Zionism.

    Mainly I am making this observation: the post-Obama left seems to be engaged in a holy war by “people of color,” feminists, Muslims, intersectionalists and associated groups against the West in all its aspects: whites, males, Europeans, traditional Americans, classical liberals, Christians, free speech, free thought, heterosexuals, meritocracy, science, comedy — AND Israelis and Jews.

    In the current climate, I wouldn’t be surprised to see white cultural groups and Jewish nationalists put aside their differences and circle the wagons in defense of basic Western values and interests.

    What has been striking since 2016 is that attacks by the left on the West and classical liberalism have been increasingly shrill, belligerent, confrontational, bullying and threatening. It really looks like they want an all-out war to the death.

    What has bothered many independent thinkers most about “progressives” during the last few years is their relentless assault on free thought and free speech. I consider myself in important respects to be progressive, but free speech is a red line for me. Whatever group most strongly opposes free speech I will tend to most strongly oppose. I am allergic to authoritarians and totalitarians.

    Notice that most contemporary leftists and “people of color” don’t seem to be interested in eradicating ethnic “privilege” in African, Arab and Asian states. Enlightenment universalists they are not. They have a single target: the West.

  52. anonymous[251]• 免责声明 说:

    Just as there are individual Black African Americans who are decent good people, good neighbors and good friends, there are individual Jewish Americans/dual citizenship Israeli Americans who are decent good people, good neighbors (when they stay put in an American neighborhoods and don’t have posh homes in 6 different countries) good friends.

    That said, in national politics both groups tend to really really suck

    They will always fall 80% + in the anti White, hard core Lib Dem side. Both groups will overwhelming support open borders mass 3rd world immigration to the USA, Europe, Australia – they will support open borders immigration even if it directly hurts a lot of their own people – Jews supporting mass Muslim immigration, mass Arab immigration, the Black Congressional Caucus supporting replacing low wage Black and White American workers with lower wage Hispanic migrant workers.

    Why do both groups do this?

    A: They hate us – want to stick it to White people as revenge for some supposed past sins by White European people. White European American people against their people.

    Another part of the answer is that mass 3rd world immigration to the USA/the West, even mass Arab/Pakistani/Muslim immigration hasn’t (yet) significantly hurt the Black AA or the Jewish American elite in places like academia, the media, high finance or the top of the Lib Democrat party or at the top of Conservative Inc.

    And even in Middle Eastern foreign policy, the strange alliance between Arab Muslim immigrants and American Zionist/Liberal Dem Jews is in place. This strange alliance is best represented by the sham marriage of New Yawk sexting pervert anthony Wiener and Hillary’s Chief of Staff Huma Abedin – strong case for birth control on that union.

  53. Peter Brimelow saw the nation-wrecking immigration attack on the historic American nation in the 1980s and 1990s and maybe even before that. I saw it and so did millions of other Americans. The push for mass legal immigration and illegal immigration has always been an attack on the historic American nation.

    The evil treasonous rat scum in the globalizer GOP has been using mass legal immigration and illegal immigration as demographic weapons to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Treasonous rat globalizer filth such as Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush and George W Bush did everything in their power to use mass legal immigration and illegal immigration as demographic weapons to transform the United States into a Third World rat hole.

    Trump has now continued the evil anti-White policy of pushing mass legal immigration and illegal immigration. Trump wants to flood the USA with mass legal immigration foreigners in the “largest numbers ever.”

    特朗普拒绝驱逐在美国超过30万的非法外国入侵者。

    The Republican Party must be destroyed so as to make space for a new political party that explicitly advances the interests of the European Christian ancestral core of the United States of America.

    白人崛起!

    2014年的推文:

    • 同意: Sick of Orcs
  54. 疯狗英国人 Brimelow 有骨气要和犹太人伪君子 Hazony 一起咀嚼

  55. Sean 说:

    The United States and the British Empire as they were actually founded were models for Hitler: appropriation of land, racism and violence. But the realities were not acknowledged, and a virtue signalling arms race in Anglo polite society produced the abolitionist movement and prohibition.

    Nationalism is a political movement that puts first the wellbeing of the whole population and its conservation. But you cannot run a state like that. Liberal internationalist states expand in population, mobilise more resources and win wars, which being what states are there to do is a consideration they always put first. Foreign policy is a primary and decisive consideration for the state and any regieme that leads it. In a nutshell, states are similar to individuals, who want to be seen as kind, caring, and contributing to the wider society, but never do anything against their own interests if they can help it. States must talk humanitarianism, but act according to the calculus of realpolitik . Why expect individual public intellectuals or institutions to be able to do what countries cannot?

  56. Richard B 说:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “A long article to get to the truth”

    “Superficiality and impatience are the two psychic diseases of the modern age.” Solzhenitsyn

    Truth needs elaboration and doesn’t come in the form of a sound bite, slogan or cliche.

    Where did you study, University of SparksNotes?

  57. Richard B 说:
    @Rational

    Bravo! And On Target! btw, anyone reading this comment who hasn’t read Unz’s publication of The Iron Curtain Over America should do so. You want to talk about being On Target. Important book.
    非常感谢本网站的出版。

    • 回复: @surly
  58. @Sean McBride

    ‘…Israeli Jewish culture at this point seems to be as uniform as that of most other ethnostates…’

    That statement is motivated by nothing other than wishful thinking. Israel — even omitting its gentile Untermenschen — is one of the most fragmented, heterogeneous, internally riven congeries of disparate groups ever assembled. It really is as if we attempted to make a ‘Christian Republic’ out of Norwegian Lutherans, Filipino Catholics, and Peruvian Mestizos. There would be virtually nothing to bind them — and the same applies to modern Israel.

    ‘…Don’t get me wrong: I understand all the arguments, moral and pragmatic, against Zionism…

    ‘I’m not a Zionist but…’ Gee. I’ve never heard that before.

    ‘…Notice that most contemporary leftists and “people of color” don’t seem to be interested in eradicating ethnic “privilege” in African, Arab and Asian states. Enlightenment universalists they are not. They have a single target: the West…’

    We weren’t discussing ‘the West.’ We were discussing Israel — a state that is not part of ‘the West,’ whether you view it ethnically, geographically, spiritually, linguistically, or morally. It’s a predominantly African and Asian state located in the Levant that practices a doctrine of racial supremacy, speaks an artificially revived Semitic language, and has the morality of a negro tribe setting about slaughtering its neighbor.

    Amusingly, in addressing Israel, we ,那恭喜你, eradicating ethnic privilege in an African and Asian state. You must be all for it.

    • 回复: @Sean McBride
  59. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘…It’s just an unsolvable clash of world-views, no essentially a hypocrisy. They are ethnic nationalists, but not with classic “racial” element of phenotype etc. most people identify with in Europe & (east)Asia…’

    No doubt. However, the difficulty doesn’t lie in that. The difficulty lies in the fact that they think their ethnic identity confers rights on them that supersede those whom they have conquered and expelled. It’s identical to the ethical position of the Nazis with respect to the Poles.

    Worse, unlike the Nazis, they have suborned us and corrupted our political system so that we find ourselves forced to sponsor and support their activities. Nazi Germany, at least, didn’t seek billions of dollars every year from the American government, manage to suppress all criticism in the mainstream American press, etc. They committed their own crimes, without asking us for our help.

    Finally, of course, there is the distinction that Nazi Germany is dead and gone, but Israel is still very much with us. It’s a real, living evil, that we have an obligation to fight — the more so as without us it couldn’t last another decade.

  60. Jake 说:

    A good deal of what is wrong about VDARE can be seen in this quote from Harzony that Brimelow swallows whole hog: “My own background allows me some insight into the subject. I have been a Jewish nationalist, a Zionist, all my life….I have lived most of my life in a country that was established by nationalists, and has been governed largely by nationalists to this day.”

    Israel was founded out of and because of the Brit WASP Empire. Israel was founded also because Jews in the US and other countries who had no intention of living there, but demanded that the land be given to other Jews who would live there. Israel is and always had been an exercise in the most hypocritical form of imperialism. There is no nationalism of any non-Jewish people that Zionists, wherever they live, will not trample in order to promote Zionism.

    盎格鲁犹太复国主义帝国

    Brimelow, Derbyshire and crowd are not stupid, and they certainly are not ignorant, but being proud WASPs they are blind to the fact the Jewish part of that equation is not happy to just help the English part shit on the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, the French, the Spanish, the Italians, the Germans, the Austrians, the Poles, the Huns, the Russians, etc. The Jewish part also takes delight in shitting on even WASPs who suck up to them when those specific WASPs are not needed by Jews.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritans made the deal with the Devil that had been arranged by Henry VIII, Thomas Cromwell, and Thomas Cranmer, and the Devil always devours those who made a deal and benefitted from it for a time.

  61. bjondo 说:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Most of the time need go no further than name (if name real).

    Ten kids?

    Invading Palestine all by himself and wifey.

  62. bjondo 说:

    David Brog is the former Executive Director of Christians United for Israel – CUFI. Hagee’s boss?

  63. I am one of those who thinks EU is infinately better off without Britain, the turdstick. Maybe EU will finally have a chance at becoming a real union. Becoming a 4th major power along side USA, Russia, and China.

    • 回复: @Charles Pewitt
  64. I will not be surprised to see more people like Hazony pop up all over the place in the near future. Conservatism a la Bill Buckley is a very dead horse that thinks its still alive. Jews in the Diaspora are finding themselves in more and more of a conundrum. Their knee jerk loyalty to the left is beginning to turn on them. Jews in Israel have been practicing a hard-core nationalism for a good while. I think they are very aware of the possible situation that could coagulate — namely “We really don’t want the white goyim to get really pissed off and turn on us.” So what is this entail? It entails Zionist Jews in both Israel and the Diaspora putting their lot in with the emerging nationalist white right. In their minds, if the doo doo hits the fan and the white people get very very angry, the Jews will not be blamed and Israel will as it is will remain safe– also Jewish power will remain intact. On the other hand, this will cause an immense rift in the Jewish Diaspora, especially in the US. Those who have been wedded to Marxism, or Marxism-lite for generations will not easily abandon that ideology. Do Jews really want to risk their community experiencing such a visceral split because of the possibility that white goyim may go fashy and turn on them? (I believe that we’re a good bit from that point because most most of the goyim are still asleep) All I can say about Mr. Hazony is that I am amused by the gaseous emissions emanating from his cerebellum.

  65. Zumbuddi 说:

    What you are saying is that Hazony, a Jewish Israeli zionist, is an exemplar of Jewish blood-and-soil nationalism.

    Just like the Germans in the Third Reich era.

    BLUT und BODEN

    I wonder if Hazony celebrates Purim?

    Because the crucial question for Esther is wtf was she doing in Persia when she had every opportunity to return to. 尤伯杯 holy zion.

  66. Matra 说:

    埃德蒙·伯克基金会

    Jeez. Conservatives are so unimaginative.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  67. Corvinus 说:

    “And Hazony (alas) and Brog turn out to be cuckservatives…”

    That would be a false characterization. Regardless, cuck and cuckservative have been rendered impotent by its repeated use. It literally means nothing to anyone anymore.

    …”he in fact believes America is a Proposition Nation”.

    开国元勋的后代意味着要建立一个独立的国家,建立一个充满活力和适应性强的政府,并拥有可以延展时代的自由。 托马斯·杰斐逊(Thomas Jefferson)是英国新政府的见证人,是英国法律和政治习俗中最自由的要素的独特结合。 尽管他担心从不了解代议制政府原则的土地上不受限制地移民,会破坏我们开国元勋的认真工作,但他预言说:“因此,我们将期望有最大数量的移民”。

    Preserving rights “for one’s posterity” repudiated feudalistic notions. Similar wording exists in the Federalist Papers and American law rooted in British traditions. Even accepting “Our posterity,” means the descendants of those citizens only at the time of ratification, given the healthy dose of non-British in the United States who were among the ratifiers, the concept simply cannot be granted to the British exclusively. And, of course there is the naturalization clause, which assuredly had no ethnocentric provision. One could argue the slave trade clause had such had such an ethnocentric position, but it is clear it was not aimed at non-British or non-whites.

    此外,后代不仅指自己的孩子,而且与“遗产”同义,也具有我们遗留下来的更广泛的含义。 开国元勋们自觉地留下了遗传遗产以外的东西。 座右铭“ Novus Ordo Seclorum”反映了他们的遗产,建立了他们发明的政府机制,以确保人民免受暴政的侵害。 回顾第一条第8节第4款:“国会有权...建立统一的入籍规则...”根据定义,入籍将公民身份以及与之相关的所有权利和义务扩展到外人,即,不是文件签名人的后代的人。 开国元勋显然希望“邀请外国人加入我们,以表彰他们的功绩和共和原则。” 确实,意图是白人和欧洲人,但谁又想到当时的非白人和妇女将能够接受这些原则? 但是,在宪法中并没有种族或性别标准来坚持共和党的理想。

    Even accepting “Our posterity,” means the descendants of those citizens only at the time of ratification, given the healthy dose of non-British in the United States who were among the ratifiers, the concept simply cannot be granted to the British exclusively. Moreover, the events leading up to the war, the war itself, and the failure of the Articles of Confederation constitute our early legislative history. In none of the seven uses of the word, therein, is posterity used in any obviously restrictive fashion during this time frame. And, of course there is the naturalization clause, which assuredly had no ethnocentric provision. One could argue the slave trade clause had such had such an ethnocentric position, but it is clear it was not aimed at non-British or non-whites. And then there is the naturalization clause, which certainly had no ethnocentric provision to it. About the only such provision you can find is the slave trade clause, and that was fairly obviously not aimed at Swedes.

    现在,假设开国元勋希望宪法限制政府的权力,对于他们自己和他们的后代,被定义为他们自己血统的后代,有意将其他人排除在宪法的保护之外,由于没有为他们免受政府的保护做出不同的规定,开国元勋让他们完全不受政府保护,从而授予开国元勋更广泛的英国君主制权力,而英国君主制受到《大宪章》和英国权利法案的限制. 实际上,创始人和他们的血统将自己设置为“贵族”,拥有不受限制的权利,而其他所有人都被指定为“农民”,没有任何权利。

    Alexander Hamilton wrote, “Immigrants exhibit a large proportion of ingenious domestic and valuable workmen who by expatriating from Europe improved their condition, and add to the industry and wealth of the United States”. Indeed, American economic growth required a massive influx of foreign labor! In Common Sense, Thomas Paine upheld “this new world” as “the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty”–which in essence refers to any and all groups of people, whether it be European or non-European. Jefferson argued for “a right which nature has given to all men, of departing from the country in which chance, not choice, has placed them.” James Madison defended immigration on the grounds that it is “always from places where living is more difficult to places where it is less difficult,” so “the happiness of the emigrant is promoted by the change”.

    Hence, the Founding Fathers enabled Congress to set the criteria for immigration with those newcomers blending in and articulating what is posterity from that new baseline. In other words, future generations of Americans were given the liberty to decide what is and what is not “an American”. At the time of the Founding Fathers, their worldview was European, which is other than surprising. However, as we have seen throughout the course of human history, perspectives change over time due to a host of factors. Of course, that does not mean foreigners have the right to enter our shores, as Congress sets the standards for immigration. But the proposition remains that there are hoops for newcomers to jump through.

    Americans in the past and at present identify with American civilization, with its under-pinnings of representative democracy and capitalism. Certainly, political and economic concepts from Western Civilization played a major role in the development of American institutions, but the Founding Fathers granted liberty to its citizens to set the course for its own future. While posterity originally referred to those who founded the nation, the die was NOT set, as evident by the power of the people to set immigration criteria, which has noticeably changed since the inaugural 1790 law.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Malla
  68. That was a long article with a lot of pseudo mumbo jumbo gobble thrown in. I believe in plain simple English.
    Orwell advised writers to always choose the shorter word when it could do the same job.
    If we go by the definition of ‘intellectuals’ in the 60’s China, it included most that were literate.
    I refuse to read your ‘gobble de gook’ I dont trust you; come out and state your position in plain English or Fuck You!!!

  69. Corvinus 说:
    @Jake

    “The Jewish part also takes delight in shitting on even WASPs who suck up to them when those specific WASPs are not needed by Jews.”

    Actually, the WASPs did just fine sh—— on the groups you mentioned all by themselves.

    Imagine how the stout English, Scots, Scots-Irish, and Welsh felt when the nation they helped create–the United States of America–became overrun by first the Irish and Germans (drunks and Catholics), and later on the Italians (swarthy Catholics with a mafia mean streak) and Poles (dullard Catholics). Between 1880 and 1930, the foreign-born population represented between 12 and 15 percent of the total population. We are talking about flipping a nation that was predominately Anglo-Saxon to one that now contained a heavy Eastern and Southern European influence, altering a country to the point that it became unrecognizable. It’s not about “whiteness” or “being European”, but it’s about “remaining Anglo-Saxon”!

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it… After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    我们的开国元勋,尤其是本杰明·富兰克林,难道没有警告过我们未来的入侵者......

    “他们(德国人)不像已经在殖民地生活过的人那么聪明。 到此为止的人通常是自己国家中最无知的愚蠢之类……不习惯自由,他们不知道如何适度使用自由。”

    and endangering New England’s whiteness?

    “西班牙人,意大利人,法国人,俄罗斯人和瑞典人通常属于我们所谓的黝黑肤色; 德国人也一样,撒克逊人只在这里例外。”

    事实是,从历史上看,即使是出于好意的欧洲移民也难以同化。 他们的背景太不同,无法内化宪法。 这些群体分裂、破坏土著人,或者将他们赶走、杀死他们,或者杀死男人并与女人杂交。 这就是盎格鲁撒克逊人的真实情况,曾经骄傲、强壮的种群屈服于成群结队的南欧和东欧人。

    Yet, by magic dirt, today’s Alt Right leaders and acolytes who are able to trace their ancestors from Poland, Italy, and Serbia believe their forefathers successfully integrated and (poof), as a result of that hard work, they today are somehow better than recent immigrant groups. Do they not understand that their own great, great-grandparents wanted to make a better there by coming here? I mean, seriously, the IQ of Southern and Eastern European immigrants in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s was decidedly low. Exactly why the literacy test imposed on this group in the early 1900’s at least tested for their ability to comprehend WASP values.

    It is other than surprising that some on the Alt Right, whose own ancestors were deemed ethnically incompatible by nativists, are using magic dirt to justify their seat at the American table at the expense of those newcomers. Of course, even in the illusory peaceful coexistence stage preceding balkanization, i.e. Europeans share common biological and cultural traits, they naturally push for their own interests rather than the interests of the natives. Have whites truly been united as the Alt Right pushes?

    And then there is this attitude from Alt Right leader Vox Day…”The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.” Interesting. Basically, a specific group of whites, in this case European, who were deemed undesirable, which then opened up the floodgates to other “alien” Europeans and non-Europeans to invade our shores.

  70. @Astuteobservor II

    The EU is evil and it must be killed immediately.

    The ECB is evil and it must be killed immediately.

    The euro currency is evil and it must be killed immediately.

    German government bonds have a negative yield — Germany must go back to the Deutschmark immediately. The Germans must turn a screw or turn the screw and get a nuke and then screw out from beneath the American Empire.

    German Patriots to Mass Immigration Extremist Angela Merkel: SCREW YOU!

    Nigel Farage’s mother made like Judy Dench and posed nude — has Boris Johnson’s mother posed nude yet? 奈杰尔 Farage’s 母亲 具有 不错 is a good name for a punk band.

    The American Empire is a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the United States.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 20 percent like it was in 1981.

    立即移民暂停!

    立即驱逐所有非法外国人!

    Brimelow is of English ancestry and I have some English ancestry — I am damn pleased that the English voted to leave the prison house of nations called the EU.

    Is Jean-Claude Juncker drunker than a skunk at this moment? When was the last time that Juncker was sober?

  71. Alden 说:

    Hazony probably doesn’t want to pay Brimelow and Taylor.

  72. Alden 说:

    Moron, every one of the signers was British which at the time included Scotland & Ireland;
    the United Kingdom of England and Scotland since the Act of Unification 1706?? Ireland was already considered part of Britain and ruled by an English king English administrators and English laws.

    Typical Jew idiot intellectual, you think you’re the only person who ever read a history book.

  73. @Sean McBride

    First- there is no Grand Jewish Conspiracy against white race or Christianity, this is rubbish. Most people here are deluded conspiracy aficionados.

    Jews in the US are generally correctly described by Lawrence Auster, and I think he got them right 80-90% (where I disagree with him are some subtle points where I’m “softer” to them than he was): http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/024334.html

    Then- I don’t think that attacks on Jews in the US & Europe by coalition of various fringe-coloreds-and-lunatics will change their attitudes. The reason is not that some big Jewish moneyed elites don’t care for little Shlomo, but in, mostly, two factors:

    a) modern Western Jews are more progressives than Jews. They’ll die taking selfies with Afro-Muslims bludgeoning them to death, cuz it’s kewl.

    b) ethnically aware Jews are still in thrall of Nazi blonde beast & Auschwitz, so they coined the term Islamo-Fascism which is a laughable nonsense, if only because European right wingers & blood-and-soil extremists viscerally hate all blacks & browns, even more than their relatively bleached & integrated Semitic cousins of yore. So, out of cognitive dissonance- and not from some grand strategic plan- most Jews in Europe & North America are still hypnotized by imaginary Nazi Aryan threat & refuse to see growing hatred among blacks, browns & Muslims even when it happens before their eyes.

    They remind me of a story about an oncologist who got terminal cancer (a true story, not an anecdote). He knew his diagnosis & prognosis, but some of his colleagues tried to dissuade him, claiming that he had only benign tumor. So they tried a trick: they switched his tissue with some benign tumor specimen & invited him to see it under microscope to see for himself he’s not terminally ill.

    Yet, they bungled the whole operation & put his real tissue under the microscope.

    After looking at it, he, the specialist & soon to be a corpse, turned in his chair, beaming: You were right. It’s benign.

    Such is the power of self-deception.

    • 回复: @Sean McBride
    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  74. @Jake

    How do you know Brimelow and Derbyshire don’t have some Norman ancestry?

    I have some Norman and Saxon ancestry on my father’s side, it doesn’t make me a bad person.

    The Puritans weren’t Christians, they were and are Mammonites — just like the Mormons. Those Young people of which one threw a football and another was prominent in the retreat to Utah were from Massachusetts, were they not? Massachusetts to upstate New York to Ohio to Illinois to Utah and not a minute too soon or they would have been dealt with harshly.

    Unfortunately, the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate has some Norman ancestry.

    There is no doubt that the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is evil.

    Go watch that Battle For Middle Earth and slake your thirst for Saxon blood, vicariously, of course.

    I always like your comments, you have a point of view that has truth in it and you have honest passion.

    SLAUGHTER THE SAXONS NOW!

    1984年的答案是1066。

    BACK TO BLOOD!

  75. @Dutch Boy

    Giraldi is correct that the conference will be attempt to divert national conservatism from America First to Israel First. One of the tools to do so will be the America as a proposition nation ploy (one strategy goes with the other). Both are staples of Neo-Conservatism.

    I wrote something along those lines in January of 2018:

    美国的移民政治是共和党新保守派最突出的弱点之一。 这就是约翰麦凯恩和林赛格雷厄姆等新保守派妓女政客推动“美国只是一个想法”路线的原因之一。

    新保守派要让美国的白人祖先核心相信,美国没有根植于血与土的固定身份。 新保守派希望继续利用美军作为肌肉,代表以色列在中东和西亚作战。

    这种“美国只是一个想法”的宣传让新保守党有机会将美利坚帝国的军事目标保持得非常模糊,没有明确的目标或战略利益。 美国军队不是为任何真实或有形的东西而战,而是为一些模糊的“自由和民主”概念而战。

  76. @Matra

    ‘Edmund Burke Foundation

    Jeez. Conservatives are so unimaginative.

    ‘Jeez. 保守党 Zionists are so unimaginative.’

    The ‘Edmund Burke Foundation’ is a Zionist front group. While we’re noticing, Zionists are also tediously dishonest. See ‘Honest Reporting,’ et al, et al. They can’t keep from lying.

  77. ” . . . come out and state your position in plain English . . . ”

    I will, stop importing anyone from anywhere for five years. Build the wall. Make english the national language. Tax breaks for investing in the country — actually in the country. End sanctuary city give aways. Stop spouting off about war, unless you intend to make war —

    Fine all companies that hire illegal labor and or rescind their licenses and legal right to do business in the US.

    We have a constitution we should actually use it as a singular understanding for the country’s unity — it is not a universal parchment of “freeing the world.” And it should never be that.

    --------------

    “The Founding Fathers clearly desired “to invite foreigners of merit and republican principles among us.” Indeed, the intention was whites and Europeans, but who imagined at that time non-whites and women would be able to embrace these principles? But there is no racial or gender criteria to adhering to republican ideals in the Constitution.”

    Here you falter as the founders had already invited nonwhites into the american enterprise. They knew that whiteness alone would not be sustainable. They knew it would not square, and President Jefferson made that future understanding clear, even in his first draft of the Declaration before it was amended. That is why the ethnic or color paradigm is always implied and not indicated specifically.

  78. @Colin Wright

    With regard to compatibility with Western core values and interests, including basic democratic standards, how would you compare Israel to, say, China or Saudi Arabia?

    Put another way: from the standpoint of the West, would you rather have Israel inside the tent pissing out or outside the tent pissing in?

    Would you prefer to have the worldwide Jewish lobby, and all the resources it commands, as a warm ally or a bitter enemy?

    With regard to problems with human rights and civil liberties, try Googling [China] with:

    -concentration camps
    -穆斯林
    -social credit
    -totalitarianism

    Do you have any thoughts on the role of the post-Obama intersectionalist, cultural Marxist and authoritarian left in American politics? How great a threat does it represent to core Western and American values?

    One sometimes detects the distinct whiff of Bolshevism, Stalinism and Maoism from that camp. It holds nothing in common with classical liberalism or even traditional progressivism. A cacophony of militant identitarian groups are running amok on the left, some of them with conflicting ethnic agendas, but all of them united for the time being in their loathing for traditional Euro-American ethnic groups (i.e., “whites”). The term “white supremacist” is now synonymous with “white” in political rhetoric from the left, and it is a demonic category that now encompasses Jews and Israelis.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Colin Wright
  79. @Dutch Boy

    Giraldi is correct that the conference will be attempt to divert national conservatism from America First to Israel First. One of the tools to do so will be the America as a proposition nation ploy (one strategy goes with the other). Both are staples of Neo-Conservatism.

    WHO ARE WE AS A NATION? WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR AS A NATION?

    我在新罕布什尔州的一个总统小学市政厅里向林赛·格雷厄姆(Lindsey Graham)提出了同样的问题。

    这是我在2015年XNUMX月向林赛·格雷厄姆(Lindsey Graham)提出的市政厅问题的简要笔录:

    我对移民政策和外交政策有疑问-我们将它们混为一谈。

    有一个关于民族认同的问题,我们是一个什么样的国家。 哈佛大学的山姆·亨廷顿(Sam Huntington),他的问题是作为一个国家的“我们是谁”。 其他关注我们外交政策崩溃的人,例如伊拉克。 我们正在做的事情没有用,他们在说:“我们要争取什么。”

    美国,尤其是自1965年《移民法》以来,一直在走向某种多元文化的通天塔。 这似乎是我们正在朝着的方向迈进。

    在外交政策上,似乎有很多“与柯蒂斯·李梅(Curtis LeMay)发生冲突”。 似乎只是我们开始轰炸的地方,然后我们提出了基本原理,然后我们改变了基本原理。

    因此,我对您的问题是:如何看待这个国家? 您是否将其视为英国新教国家? 一个欧洲基督教国家? 如果您愿意的话,新保守派将其视为某种多元文化的命题国家,一个意识形态国家。

    您如何看待美利坚合众国,以及您认为我们为一个国家而为之奋斗的目标是什么?

    林赛·格雷厄姆(Lindsey Graham)用样板和热空气回应道:“我相信美国是一个主意”

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  80. @Fidelios Automata

    That high pitched whining sound you can hear is Burke rotating in his grave at 16,000 rpm.

  81. @Bardon Kaldian

    You are right: so far there are few signs that American Jews on the left are alarmed in any significant degree by the rising tide of anti-Jewish sentiment among their intersectionalist political allies.

    Perhaps a tipping point will come, but I wouldn’t hazard a guess about when that might be. One would have expected the tipping point to have arrived over the last year or two. Instead, they are bending over backwards to rationalize or whitewash the views of AOC, Sarsour, Tlaib, Omar and others. And they are perfectly comfortable with increasingly violent rhetoric directed against “whites” which is in fact also directed at themselves.

  82. Anon[780]• 免责声明 说:

    I’m pretty battle-scarred after nearly three decades in the Immigration Wars. But I must admit I felt a twinge of sadness about Hazony.

    Respectfully, you shouldn’t feel sad. I’m only surprised that you seemingly trusted his rhetoric. The obvious Jewish Cuckoo bird tactic is to edge as close to American racialism as possible before refuting it in hope of retaining a measure of American nationalist support for them and against the interests of their own families. This should be the expected game from all of them until they conclusively prove otherwise at the level of the individual.

    “Yoram, who blocked me today, is correct that Jewish identity and white identity aren’t directly comparable; the former is ethno-religious, while the latter is racial”.

    “What separates us isn’t any lack of enthusiasm for American nationalism on my part. What separates us is my view that a nation isn’t a race, that nationalism isn’t racism”.

    “I do think the Israeli national-state model can help Americans think about their own nationalism. But since Israelis regard their country as a national state and not a race state, you need to understand what Israelis mean by “nation” if you want to get how our state works”.

    “You’re right that maintaning a Jewish national majority is important to Israelis. But your analogy between Jews in Israel and the white race in America is mistaken. https://twitter.com/SalviniforPOTUS/status/1136411315378020354 ......“

    我们犹太人是一个民族,而不是一个种族。 任何忠于犹太人、其上帝和传统的人都可以进入拉比法庭并成为犹太人。 该提议是公开的,自圣经时代以来一直对不同种族的人开放。

    Liars are de facto forever untrustworthy and to be cast as far as possible to the periphery. In fact, the ethnically interested lying and deceit is so consistent that its best not to ever trust any from their group in my opinion.

    这是关于犹太人的简介 Mishnaic 血统的规模。

    [更多]

    Legitimate converts o Judaism are not to be trusted for 22 generations (essentially never). Doctrinally, Judaism is a genetic group and no more than that:

    迈蒙尼德论犹太教与犹太人 (1991)
    梅纳赫姆·马克·凯尔纳

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6HlxxKP1AtAC&lpg=PA5&ots=fik19PoUQN&dq=jewish%20converts%20inferior&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q=%22Halevi%20meets%20the%22&f=false

    犹太皈依者如何知道“本土”犹太人认为他们低人一等,并阻碍弥赛亚的到来?

    “Halevi (12th century Jewish poet & “philosopher”) meets the problem of conversion by arguing that converts are indeed not the equals of native Jews and that only after many generations, so it would seem, can their descendants be fully amalgamated into the Jewish people. To adopt a brilliant and amusing metaphor of Daniel J. Lasker’s, just as IBM PC clones may run the same software as original IBM hardware, but are still not the real thing; so, too, converts may believe what native Jews believe, and act as they do (software), they are still not the same as native Jews (hardware).”

    早期拉比著作中的犹太人身份
    萨沙·斯特恩
    页。 94

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&lpg=PA92&dq=jewish%20converts%20inferior&pg=PA94#v=onepage&q=%22the%20Midrash%20remarks:%20%22do%20not%20trust%20the%20convert,%20even%20after%20the%2022nd%20generation22%20(according%20to%20another%20source,%20for%207%20generations%20a%20convert%20cannot%20be%20trusted%20not%20to%20have%20returned%20to%20his%20old%20ways).&f=假

    “the Midrash remarks: “do not trust the convert, even after the 22nd generation” (according to another source, for 7 generations a convert cannot be trusted not to
    已经回到了他的老路)。

    早期拉比著作中的犹太人身份
    萨沙·斯特恩
    页。 94

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&lpg=PA92&dq=jewish%20converts%20inferior&pg=PA94#v=onepage&q=%22converts%20are%20also%20a%20hindrance%20to%20the%20coming%20of%20the%20Messiah%22&f=false

    “皈依者也是弥赛亚来临的障碍”

    早期拉比著作中的犹太人身份
    萨沙·斯特恩
    页。 94

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&lpg=PA92&dq=jewish%20converts%20inferior&pg=PA94#v=onepage&q=%22his%20tendency%20to%20lapse%20is%20considered%20a%20liability%20to%20Israel%2C%20which%20explains%20Rabbi%20Helbo’s%20well-known%20saying%3A%20%22converts%20are%20as%20difficult%20to%20Israel%20as%20leprosy%22&f=false

    “… his tendency to lapse is considered a liability to Israel, which explains Rabbi Helbo’s well-known saying: “converts are as difficult to Israel as leprosy”. The Babylonian Talmud treats the converts with suspicion: it wonders whether their motives were indeed sincere, and why they waited so long to convert; it also suspects them of acting out of fear rather than out of love. If a convert is suspected of (transgressing) a single commandment, he must be suspected of (transgressing) the whole Torah.”

    早期拉比著作中的犹太人身份
    萨沙·斯特恩
    页。 92

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&lpg=PA92&dq=jewish%20converts%20inferior&pg=PA92#v=onepage&q=%22In%20certain%20contexts%20the%20convert%20is%20distinguished%20from%20the%20Jewish-born%20as%20having%20inferior%20status.%22&f=false

    犹太人按重要性排序(从大到小)
    “In certain contexts the convert is distinguished from the Jewish-born as having inferior status. In the liturgy, he cannot refer to the Patriarchs as “our forefathers”. More importantly, his lineage is inferior to that of most Jewish-born, as according to the mishnaic scale of lineages (yohasin):

    (编辑: my list format):

    1.牧师(科恩)
    2. 利未人
    3. 以色列(普通犹太人)
    4. 残疾牧师(违反婚姻规则的科恩的后裔)
    5。 兑换
    6.弗里德曼(前奴隶)
    5. 混蛋
    6. Natin (Gibeonite)(犹太人禁止与普通犹太人通婚)
    7. 沉默(不知名的父亲)
    8. 弃儿(小时候被遗弃)”

    Hazony 在古代以色列人的某一点上确实说过:

    It is important to notice that the Israelites’ conception of the nation has nothing to do with biology, or what we call race.

    Untrue. Moreover, this is our daily reminder that Israel was not comprised only of Judah and that there is hidden history afoot. I’m not necessarily a British Israelist, but I will state that there is hidden and yet official Catholic historical assertions that point to Judah being substantially disconnected from Israel as well as that point to Israel’s origins out of the mountainous regions in the Northern and even Eastern Fertile Crescent (modern Kurdistan). There is Biblical scripture that states that Israel will return from the North.

    In The Virtue Of Nationalism, Hazony made some strained arguments, for example that Hitler was not really a nationalist,

    This sentiment reminds me of a recent comment made at the Soviet mega-monument at Treptower Park in Berlin, within the speech by the chairwoman of the antifascist union of Treptow district who stated:

    “We will never forget the feat of Soviet warriors who liberated not only their Motherland but the German nation too, as well as many European countries from the ‘brown plague.”

    Paradoxically, according to Soviets and Jews, Nationalism exists precisely in the absence of love for one’s familial nation (except when referring to Jews).

    The artist who made the Treptower Soviet Monument, Yevgeny Vuchetich, also made the Soviet-Hebrew “Let Us Beat Swords into Plowshares” sculpture that is in the UN Art Collection. A notion which references the Hebrew Messianic period of world dominance and post mass genocidal judgement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_War_Memorial_%28Treptower_Park%29
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swords_to_ploughshares

  83. Of course you’re right, but animosities between those groups (phenotype, denomination), while irritating, are not that big. You mix a Polish Catholic & Scots-Irish Presbyterian & you get a pan Euro-American atheist or Episcopalian (say).

    But Muslims remain Muslims, Hindus-Hindus, Buddhists- Buddhists, Sikhs-Sikhs ….

    And if you mix any type of white with Asian, Gypsy Indian, real dark Middle Easterner, let alone African … we all know that this is simply another world.

  84. neutral 说:
    @AaronB

    Jews added some brown skinned people to win propaganda points with non whites, thats pretty much all that was about.

    Israel allows atheist jews, buddhist jews,etc to enter Israel (and yes all these are based on real news stories). It’s a racial identity, the rest of the nonsense you write is just typical jew babbling trying to mask the stink of your lies and hypocrisy.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  85. Anon[161]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    First- there is no Grand Jewish Conspiracy against white race or Christianity, this is rubbish. Most people here are deluded conspiracy aficionados.

    There is plenty of evidence across this website and elsewhere that handily refutes your statement. A glib single line dismissal doesn’t do much work today.

    Jews in the US are generally correctly described by Lawrence Auster, and I think he got them right 80-90% (where I disagree with him are some subtle points where I’m “softer” to them than he was): http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/024334.html

    Of course you are softer.

    I will offer that any group that requires 12 thousand words to attempt to justify why they act like politically destructive assholes against the majority in every foreign nation that they inhabit, but are morally flexible enough to take a hard=line nationalist view when they are a majority, is a group that is dangerously and morally dislocated in those foreign nations and needs to move to their own nation as fast as possible.

    No one is going to read your referenced 60 page essay that you hope is doing your work for you. Summarize your answer or be content for that largely unread verbose rationalization to do any work that it can. As for me, just as I am tired to giving so much as a passing glance at the next marginally creative, deceitful, Jewish hyper-nationalist, anti-White Neocon, I am tired of reading every marginally creative and deceitful excuse. Ultimately, the reasons do not matter. The observable actions of the group and their results matter.

    Then- I don’t think that attacks on Jews in the US & Europe by coalition of various fringe-coloreds-and-lunatics will change their attitudes.

    No one cares. You are destined to be exiled. Read your books.

    a) modern Western Jews are more progressives than Jews. They’ll die taking selfies with Afro-Muslims bludgeoning them to death, cuz it’s kewl.

    If “Jews” would wholesale reject and condemn “modern proggresive Jews” over non-Jewish conservative White nationalists, that would matter. They don’t, and so it doesn’t.

    b) ethnically aware Jews are still in thrall of Nazi blonde beast & Auschwitz, so they coined the term Islamo-Fascism which is a laughable nonsense,

    Both parts of this are indecipherable. What is it to be in thrall of Nazis? How does the the coining of Islamo-fascism follow, and exactly how is Islamo fascism nonsense? The Judaic Messianic period is precisely fascism, and Islamic eschatology (and thus goals) are a precise mirror of Judaic law.

    if only because European right wingers & blood-and-soil extremists

    What is a “blood and soil extremist” exactly? Is that like a Jewish extremist or even a regular Jew? The notion of blood and soil is the central thesis of the Jewish entitlement to the land of Israel. Is the notion of a “blood and soil extremist” like that of any tribe who lays claim to a homeland? It is.

    viscerally hate all blacks & browns, even more than their relatively bleached & integrated Semitic cousins of yore.

    Its a toss up. The latter brings the former.

    So, out of cognitive dissonance- and not from some grand strategic plan- most Jews in Europe & North America are still hypnotized by imaginary Nazi Aryan threat & refuse to see growing hatred among blacks, browns & Muslims even when it happens before their eyes.

    Its almost like it makes sense to go the their homeland that they’ve whined so long about and is kept at great price and turmoil (no thanks to Jewish doctrine itself).

    They remind me of a story about an oncologist who got terminal cancer (a true story, not an anecdote). He knew his diagnosis & prognosis, but some of his colleagues tried to dissuade him, claiming that he had only benign tumor. So they tried a trick: they switched his tissue with some benign tumor specimen & invited him to see it under microscope to see for himself he’s not terminally ill.

    Yet, they bungled the whole operation & put his real tissue under the microscope.

    After looking at it, he, the specialist & soon to be a corpse, turned in his chair, beaming: You were right. It’s benign.

    Such is the power of self-deception.

    And yet the diaspora Jews are, by definition, not the “body” in this metaphor. They are some other entity that is inviting (more) cancer in. Possibly in the hope that the body’s immune system is so confused that it doesn’t see the first foreign entity.

    It sounds like the solution for everyone is for Jews to live where only they are the body. Of course, the Jewish judgement period that the Jewish political apparatus is driving toward will attempt to make that territory the world through mass death.

    In sum, its a true danger and wholly unnecessary and avoidable burden to have genocidal religious zealots so far embedded in our institutions. At least the Imams, with parallel beliefs, wear identifying robes.

    • 回复: @Miro23
  86. might as well keep our terms straight:

    (((Hazony))) and (((Brog))) are not “cuckservatives”.

    they are neo-con 犹太人, i.e. crypto-Trotskyite communists masquerading as hardRights in order to keep the Right safe for Jews and their destructive projects: specifically, using the White nations to keep Israhell on the map…while liquidating the Whites via open-borders and the kosher Culture of Death.

    cuckservatives, or Conservatism Inc., are the collaborationist 白人 on the (((neo-con))) payroll.

  87. Anon[161]• 免责声明 说:
    @AaronB

    So yes, have an ethnic component at your core – but to define your national identity as solely racial has no precedent in any traditional society.

    No one is game for listening to ethnically interested minority liars at this stage. Just get out already.

    • 同意: Colin Wright, Miro23
  88. @Sean McBride

    ‘With regard to compatibility with Western core values and interests, including basic democratic standards, how would you compare Israel to, say, China or Saudi Arabia?”

    How many standing ovations did Congress give bin Salman again? What’s our per capita military aid to China these days?

    This is old. Let’s cut our ties to Israel; then we can say ‘tut tut’ when they commit their next crime.

    ‘Would you prefer to have the worldwide Jewish lobby, and all the resources it commands, as a warm ally or a bitter enemy?’

    A tapeworm isn’t a ‘warm ally’ in the first place.

  89. Art 说:

    Here is the bottom line on Jews and whites.

    “仇恨我们受伤的人是人性的原则。” — Gaius Cornelius Tacitus

    Jews injure white people – therefor they hate us. They are proud of hurting us – they take pride in hurting us – their egos are built around injuring us.

    Not only do they injure us and thus hate us – but because of our numbers, they fear us – they fear we will recognize their injury and hate for us – and that we will send them packing. It has happened 109 times in human history.

    Connected white folks means trouble for Jews. They must keep us divided.

    So exclusive connections between Jews is OK – but not for whites. Jews can be nationalists – but not white folk.

    认为和平—无害—艺术

    • 回复: @Incitatus
    , @Anonymous
  90. Worst idea ever:temporary nonwhite legal immigration moratorium…..think about why….

  91. @Charles Pewitt

    Lindsay Graham is a homosexual pederast….in spirit….

  92. @Sean McBride

    ‘Put another way: from the standpoint of the West, would you rather have Israel inside the tent pissing out or outside the tent pissing in?’

    This analogy is flawed in two respects.

    First, if Israel was ‘outside the tent’ it would cease to exist, so that alternative is an impossibility.

    Second, Israel is ‘inside the tent’ — but pissing on the rest of us in here with it.

    So really, the solution’s kind of obvious, isn’t it?

    Put Israel out of the tent, and it’ll cease to exist. We needn’t let her piss on us or anyone else.

  93. Anonymous[777]• 免责声明 说:

    I don’t want to sidetrack the debate but it seems like Hazony is rejection nationalism based on race but endorsing it based on religion with his discussions of applying to the rabbinical court in Israel as proof that Israel is a religious-based state. If this is true, just get Hazony on record on whether he agrees that Christian Nationalism is a legitimate political force? Or is religious nationalism only permitted for Jews?

    • 回复: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @dfordoom
  94. “There’s nothing at all on which to base American nationalism.”

    probably the most jewish thing EVER posted on this site.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  95. AaronB 说:

    @巴顿·卡迪安(Bardon Kaldian)

    It may be that Jewish nationalism is more racially flexible than many traditional nations, and it may not be the best model for everyone.

    The Jews have always defined themselves as having an unusual mission anyways.

    But the fact is that all traditional nations contain phenotypic diversity within limits.

    In any event, no one has ever yet tried to base a nation entirely on phenotype – all real nations require culture and religion.

    Basing it on phenotype is a modern Enlightenment idea, and hence Left wing – also, bound to seem sinister to others, and bound to fail.

    Peter Brimelow, instead of working within an Enlightenment framework, which is bound to produce Left wing and unworkable ideas, may wish to study actual traditional nations and understand them better.

    But of course he won’t – because whites aren’t slated to recover, they are slated to be absorbed into other civilizations. And whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.

  96. The Democratic Party:”If you don’t consent and submit to being voted into a White Racial Minority by Nonwhite LEGAL IMMIGRANTS….the US Born nonwhite GENELINE of nonwhite Legal Immigrants…..and nonwhite illegal aliens………you are a RACISTS!!!….and RACISTS ARE NAZIS!!!!…….And since America killed Nazis during WW2…….We Democrats are going to kill The White Working Class because they resist being voted into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America by the Majority N0nwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc…….”

    It is obvious that we have reached this point in time in 2019…They want us dead…

    Which raises an interesting question about WW2….It would have been wiser for America and England to have sided with the Nazis during WW2 so as to avoid what is comming down during the 2020 POTUS ELECTION-and beyond…… There is absolutely no wiggle room on this point……There were no other options in 1941……If the Native Born White American Working Class had a Crystal Ball in 1941…..They would have said the Jews weren’t worth it……If I am wrong about this…tell me why….I would be happy to abandon the Nazis in this thought experiment….but now they are dumping C0ngolese Gang Bangers into Portland Maine….plucked from the Congo overnight….and given the state of Maine in a 24 hour period……WW2 and the Civil War Just weren’t worth it….

  97. @neutral

    Racial identity? Here I see Bibi & his miss Piggy, actually whites posing with their mostly brown soldiers (with a few blacks thrown in…). White supremacy, what to say….

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @neutral
  98. @AaronB

    The Jews have always defined themselves as having an unusual mission anyways.

    是的。

    But the fact is that all traditional nations contain phenotypic diversity within limits.

    Yes, but these limits are not that wide. Take Italians or Chinese, they sure differ among themselves, but not so radically as to include clearly other races.

    In any event, no one has ever yet tried to base a nation entirely on phenotype – all real nations require culture and religion.

    True, but traditional nations like Danes or French are defined by a compound of culture-history language & phenotype. Even French-speaking Catholic Africans with French names would seem absurd if they start speaking about “Gauls, our ancestors & Joan of Arc, our historical heroine”.

    Phenotype is not sufficient, but it is necessary, mathematically speaking.

    Basing it on phenotype is a modern Enlightenment idea, and hence Left wing – also, bound to seem sinister to others, and bound to fail.

    Forget about Enlightenment, these things are visceral. No one wants so different “others” messing around your house and town where they previously had not been, and with whom you have no real connection.

    I can dance pow-wow & puff the peace pipe. It won’t make me an Indian (feather).

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @anon
  99. The most charitable interpretation of Harzony’s behavior is that he is a Straussian who perpetuates the Noble Lie (i.e. “nationalism has nothing to do with race/ethnicity”) so that the plebes do not have to carry such a moral burden.

    Unfortunately (for him), even the dimmest bulb is rattled by the cognitive dissonance required to maintain the position he sets forth.

  100. Anonymous[170]• 免责声明 说:

    To be fair to Hazony, it’s not as if the likes of Brimelow, Jared Taylor, and Patrick Casey are going to be very accommodating to Zionists and neocons who have differences over fundamental issues in their groups and meetings. Sure, Brimelow will invite a Jewish person or Zionist who’s fervently anti-immigration or racialist in his views to his conferences or whatever, but he’s generally not going to have Zionist neocons who differ from him significantly on these issues. I’m not sure why Brimelow feels he’s entitled to be included in Hazony’s activities.

    Also, Brimelow is a perpetual grifter who not only felt entitled to be included, but also to be subsidized to attend:

  101. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    because whites aren’t slated to recover, they are slated to be absorbed into other civilizations.

    Just because you jumped ship doesn’t mean the fat lady has sung.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  102. @AaronB

    Is there any evidence that Israel — a Jewish ethnocentric state — is more ethnically flexible about accepting ethnic outsiders than other ethnocentric states?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  103. @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘Racial identity? Here I see Bibi & his miss Piggy, actually whites posing with their mostly brown soldiers (with a few blacks thrown in…). White supremacy, what to say….’

    Israel may be even browner than that picture suggests. The unit shown is probably an elite one — and those are disproportionately Ashkenazi. The Sephardim tend to be relegated to the ‘Border Police’ and such.

    They did slip up in one respect, though; where are the girl soldiers? You know, the obvious models holding their rifles incorrectly?

  104. iffen 说:

    a conference that was advertised as being “in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race.”

    I’m not sure how they could have made it clearer.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  105. @prime noticer

    ‘“There’s nothing at all on which to base American nationalism.”

    probably the most jewish thing EVER posted on this site.’

    To be fair, many are working to make the statement true.

  106. AaronB 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    我大体上同意你的评论。

    Phenotype is not sufficient, but it is necessary, mathematically speaking

    Agree, but white racialists focus primarily – in some cases almost entirely – on phenotype, because this is “scientific” and “modern”.

    But as the viciousness of civil wars show, phenotype alone cannot unite a people into a nation. And as the history of Europe shows.

    No one wants so different “others” messing around your house and town where they previously had not been, and with whom you have no real connection.

    I agree with this too, of course – but culture and religion can provide that connection, up to a point. I have dark blond hair and pale skin, but in Israel, I have and would consider a Yemeni Jew my “brother”. And this is not a “creedal” connection.

    Another source of our connection – that goes well beyond any creed – is that we are both tied to the land, we will live and die together with it, and our fates are intertwined.

    So “blood brotherhood”, in a sense, which can transcend race – and form the nucleus of a new people, even.

    So culture, religion, shared rituals and customs, shared fate, shared country, “blood brotherhood”, can, within limits, be more important than race.

    Race is emphasized to the extent the other unifying factors are weak – although I agree it remains a factor with much weight, despite everything.

    But of course, none of these conditions come even close to being satisfied with regard to immigration to the West, where precisely the sources of connection I enumerated are rejected.

    So that is a different story.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Colin Wright
    , @iffen
  107. @Anonymous

    ‘To be fair to Hazony, it’s not as if the likes of Brimelow…’

    But all you post in the way of evidence are Hazony’s assertions, and Hazony’s a Zionist and a Neo-con, so all his statements tell us is what he would like us to believe. There’s no objective reason to believe a word he says. That he says something doesn’t even increase the 可能性 that it might be true.

  108. @AaronB

    Is it the “gods” who make them mad, or is it “God’s Chosen People”?

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  109. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    we are both tied to the land

    Land is a physical thing, a material thing, not anything like moonbeams.

  110. Peter Brimelow has been right about the ruling class’s nation-wrecking scheme to use mass legal immigration and illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD to attack the European Christian ancestral core of the United States.

    Peter Brimelow was also right about the central banker shysters pulling all sorts of shenanigans in the real estate racket.

    Peter Brimelow 于 1993 年在《国家评论》上写了一篇文章,其中谈到波士顿联邦储备银行如何进行一项研究,该研究导致波士顿联邦储备银行的一些胸部得出结论,即阴暗的种族主义银行家正在歧视非白人。

    1993 年的 Brimelow:

    而且要停下来并不容易。 去年年底,《华尔街日报》的新闻页面在八周内刊登了五篇竞选报道,声称住宅抵押贷款机构歧视少数族裔。 《华尔街日报》的证据,即原始拒绝率,基本上毫无价值,因为它没有考虑净值和收入等标准信用因素。

    但随后《华尔街日报》报道了波士顿联邦储备银行对抵押贷款申请样本的研究,该研究确实符合这些标准。 它发现少数族裔仍然以(略)更高的比率被拒绝。 波士顿联储得出的结论是,这种差异可能只是由于种族主义。 [波士顿的抵押贷款:解读 HMDA 数据(工作论文 92-7)]

    2014年的推文:

    2015年的推文:

  111. AaronB 说:
    @Sean McBride

    我想是这样。

    Israel accepts anyone with one Jewish grandparent. Japan does not.

    Also, a non Jewish parent will not have any impact on how well you will be accepted socially. A non Japanese parent, will have a negative social impact.

    To show how little phenotype matters in the absence of cultural ties – although phenotype still matters – Japanese Koreans, phenotypically indistinguishable from Japanese, face heavy discrimination.

    Race matters – but it is not enough.

    • 回复: @utu
  112. @Anonymous

    If you are Hazony….you understand perfectly well that the Democratic Party Voting Bloc is highly racialized….has no problem with nonwhite Racial Nationalism…..and intends to force Nonwhite Racial Nationalism on a White Racial Minority….permanently within the borders of post-White Toilet America…..

  113. @iffen

    ‘a conference that was advertised as being “in stark opposition to political theories grounded in race.”

    I’m not sure how they could have made it clearer.’

    ? The organizer’s a Zionist.

    Oh yeah — they always lie. I forgot my own rule.

    • 回复: @iffen
  114. @iffen

    ‘Just because you jumped ship doesn’t mean the fat lady has sung.’

    If he actually did jump ship, be sure you don’t throw him a life preserver.

  115. @Jake

    “Brimelow, Derbyshire and crowd are not stupid, … but being proud WASPs…”

    Brimelow, Derbyshire, and Jared Taylor are degenerate cucked WASPs.

    Brimelow is a semitophile who really believes present day Jews are the chosen and the smartest tribe ever. They are not.

    Derbyshire married a communist Chinese woman and has a Chinese family. The Chinese wife and daughter voted for Obummer. Derbyshire has gone native.

    Jared Taylor is always babbling that Northeast Asians and Jews are smarter than Westerners. They are not. Blacks/Asians/Muslims/Jews had nothing to do with the development of the West.

    These 3 stooges are controlled by the Jews. That Brimelow and Taylor were barred from an Edmund Burke conference (where an Israeli Jew is the chairman) shows the level of degeneracy they have reached. They are the original grifters.

  116. On September 10 2018, National Interest published a review of Hazony’s book:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/whos-afraid-nationalism-30987

    I received 43 upvotes for the following comment on that article:

    Founding father John Jay certainly thought Americans constituted a single tribe, bound together by common 血液, language, religion and political traditions.

    From Federalist # 2:

    “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people–a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

    This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split”

  117. KenH 说:

    And Peter, Jared and others were almost too excited to rub elbows with the “good Jew” Yoram Hazony. Yoram chiding Jewess Julia Ioffe on Twitter is just an example of a contrived “good Jew” vs. “bad Jew” dustup to confuse and confound goyim into thinking that not all Jews are bad and that some or many are probably actually on our side. But Jews only take their own side. Yoram and Julia instinctively know they are on the same team but some white goyim delude themselves into thinking that Yoram is on our side.

    Yoram and other Jews are trying to infiltrate the American nationalist movement to misdirect it and keep it from becoming explicitly racial because that wouldn’t be good for Jews since an awakened white race would view Jews as the hostile aliens that they are and “the other”. This means their gravy train would come to an end.

    Patrick Casey cucked by calling Jews an ethno-nationalist group. Over the years Jews like Geraldo Rivera and others have referred to Jews as “the Jewish race” and Jews see themselves as such even though they talk out of both sides of their mouths on the subject.

  118. Incitatus 说:
    @Art

    “Jews injure white people – therefor they hate us…”

    Well done, mahatma.

    Tacitus? He best relates the number of laws correlated with societal corruption. Very relevant at the present time. Ask Jacues/Jacques [‘everything is shit but me, can’t spell my own name’] Sheet.

    “Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art”

    Don’t you really mean:

    ‘Think Jews, Jews, Jews – hate them but don’t blame me [i.e. “think peace”] – Art’?

    Just trying to be helpful, mahatma.

    Dry hump that table leg, Art.

  119. niteranger 说:
    @Fidelios Automata

    Brimelow must be getting senile or he’s drinking because it took him thousands of words to get the message:

    1) America is for everyone
    2) Israel is just for Magic Jews
    3) No matter how much you kiss our Jew Asses you will always be a goy.
    4) Jews are the master race you are just animals for our use.
    5) Jews always support Jews no matter what (the only exception to this was the late Casper Wineberger who wanted the Jew Spy Pollard fried! They hate him in Israel! He actually stood against his own Tribe).
    6) We will tell you what to think, what is correct, and what you can do.
    7) We will destroy your country and the world and blame it on whites.

    故事结束

  120. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    It may be that Jewish nationalism is more racially flexible than many traditional nations,

    Oh my — The Jews have no integrity – there is an in your face big lie in sentence one.

    Israel has to be the most race conscious nation on the planet. Their religion advertises that they are a separate race. Their government backs that up with laws. Within Israel there is a cast system. The third-class Arabs who still live there, are awaiting their expulsion.

    Jew are masters at confusing ideas through word play – race – nationalism – ethnic – liberalism – conservatism – modern – globalism (never tribalism) – are in the West a jumble of confusion – just the way the Jews want them.

    Arguing with a Jew is a waste of time – even if he concedes a point today – tomorrow he will revert to his old argument.

    思考和平-艺术

  121. Forbes 说:
    @Undeveloped First Chakra

    Same experience here. And where non-Western immigrants stir the pot (because little-to-nothing is shared, e.g., language, religion, heritage, folkways, history, i.e. culture) to the point of chaos, then proposition nation is a proven joke–a con on the people.

  122. @Art

    ‘…Arguing with a Jew is a waste of time – even if he concedes a point today – tomorrow he will revert to his old argument.’

    Yeah. The variation I’ve noticed on this is that they will concede one piece of the argument while deftly reintroducing another. For example, at one point your Zionist will agree that Israel has shamelessly ignored her undertakings under Oslo — but essentially, the 1948 founding of Israel was justified. Then, okay — the 1948 founding wasn’t defensible, but the Bible says Palestine belongs to the Jews. Then, okay, that argument has no validity — but we made it all better with the Oslo agreement.

    我们四处走动……

    Peculiarly, it’s like arguing with Holocaust Deniers. In both cases, what’s demonstrated is that 任何 proposition — no matter how completely refuted — can always be defended ad infinitem.

    • 回复: @Monotonous Languor
  123. Bwahahahahahahahaha someone thinking a zionazi could be fair. Hilarious, and a clear indication of the intellectual paucity of the author (if his right wing views weren’t proof enough of that).

  124. @Undeveloped First Chakra

    You could say that we were something of a proposition nation in those days: one felt that the Italian, Texan, etc. believed in the United States of America and understood it in basically the same terms as I did.

    Proposition nations are always fantasies because those propositions are not eternal. They’re merely fashions. They’re fads.

    Ethnicity, culture, religion – these are felt to be eternal. OK, they’re not literally eternal but they change very very slowly. The propositions on which proposition nations are based change from day to day.

    All those propositions which Americans in the 50s believed in are gone. They turned out to be as lasting as the fashions and hairstyles of those days. They have been replaced by a succession of new propositions which will in turn be replaced by new ones.

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  125. Miro23 说:
    @Anon

    I will offer that any group that requires 12 thousand words to attempt to justify why they act like politically destructive assholes against the majority in every foreign nation that they inhabit, but are morally flexible enough to take a hard=line nationalist view when they are a majority, is a group that is dangerously and morally dislocated in those foreign nations and needs to move to their own nation as fast as possible.

    In sum, it’s a true danger and wholly unnecessary and avoidable burden to have genocidal religious zealots so far embedded in our institutions. At least the Imams, with parallel beliefs, wear identifying robes.

    IOW they now have a homeland Israel – SO GO HOME. It’s fatally harmful to have so much trickery and deception embedded in the top levels of Western institutions.

  126. @Bardon Kaldian

    So, in the case of the US- you basically can’t trust Jews when it comes to race matters.

    But in the case of the US you can’t trust any member of the elite on any subject whatsoever. That’s because there is no American national identity. Members of the elite do not think of themselves as belonging to the same nation or the same people as the non-elites.

    It has very little to do with Jews. It’s just what happens when national identity dissolves. And it’s dissolving throughout the West, and increasingly in eastern Europe as well. When national identity dissolves you find yourself being ruled by a hostile alien ruling class.

    It’s not the Jews who are the traitors within, it’s every member of the elite be they Jew, Gentile, Asian, black, brown, yellow, whatever. And most of those traitors within are white. The white members of the hostile alien ruling class are if anything more hostile and alien because they have absolutely no loyalties and no identity at all apart from being elite.

    Getting obsessed by the Jews obscures what has really happened.

    • 同意: iffen
    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  127. @Sean McBride

    What has been striking since 2016 is that attacks by the left on the West and classical liberalism have been increasingly shrill, belligerent, confrontational, bullying and threatening.

    But the people you’re describing as “the left” are in fact classical liberals. They’re on the side of capital. They’re on the side of the corporate sector. Like good classical liberals they reduce everything to materialism, and to profit. They follow the money. They are not just temporary allies of Woke Capital. They are joined at the hip to Woke Capital. They are foot soldiers of global capitalism, like the good little classical liberals that they are.

    This is where classical liberalism was always going to lead us.

    The mistake you’re making is not seeing that classical liberalism was thoroughly evil right from the start.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Sean McBride
  128. @Anonymous

    If this is true, just get Hazony on record on whether he agrees that Christian Nationalism is a legitimate political force?

    Christian Nationalism? Does such a thing exist? Sounds like a fantastic idea – basing nationalism on a dying religion.

  129. Corvinus 说:
    @dfordoom

    “Proposition nations are always fantasies because those propositions are not eternal. They’re merely fashions. They’re fads.”

    那甚至是不准确的。

  130. @Colin Wright

    A rational excuse can always be devised for any evil under the sun… and leftists and their (((handlers))) use every single one of them.

  131. Rogue 说:

    With regards to forging new nations out of disparate peoples, I consider the Afrikaners of South Africa to be the best example in fairly recent history.

    Starting with Dutch settlers in the 1650’s, then augmented with French Huegenots (who were an asset to whichever country gave them sanctuary), and finally large numbers of Germans in the 18th century, they rapidly forged a new nation peculiar to themselves.

    It helped that they were, essentially, all Protestant and also, of course, not very different ethnically.

    They all adopted Dutch as their language, regardless of background, and the vast majority were, or became, members of the Dutch Reformed church.

    In the late 19th century they officially created their own Dutch-derived language – Afrikaans (though in truth it is closer to Flemish).

    They had a very strong sense of national identity that lasted a good couple of centuries. Today, in the multicultural mishmash that is South Africa, their sense of identity remains, though definitely not as strongly as before, and is frowned upon by the “intellectual” and political elites of the country.

  132. @AaronB

    In any event, no one has ever yet tried to base a nation entirely on phenotype – all real nations require culture and religion.

    Basing it on phenotype is a modern Enlightenment idea, and hence Left wing – also, bound to seem sinister to others, and bound to fail.

    That’s a valid point. White nationalists who think they can somehow create a genuine nation based purely on race are hopelessly deluded. The reason they don’t want to base their hypothetic nation on culture or religion is that they’re not completely deluded – they do understand that there is no white culture or white religion that white people are going to rally around. So they cling desperately to the racial idea.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @utu
  133. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    “Israel accepts anyone with one Jewish grandparent. Japan does not.” – This is not true about Japan. They do not accept you even if you have all grandparents Japanese and are part of Japanese diaspora because Japan’s decision is not race based as that of Israel but culture based. So if you grew up in Peru or Brazil then your prospect of assimilating in Japan are low that’s why they do not want you.

    They are not in the process of constructing their nation and in search of canon fodder unlike Israel is which is one of the reason for the difference. But the chief reason is that Jewishness is primarily race based and culture is secondary. However there are some exceptions. You can be buddhist and will have no problem doing aliyah but if you are a convert to Christianity then your Jewish genes may not be good enough for getting Israeli citizenship though if your parents perished in Holocaust they may let you in.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  134. Anonymous[191]• 免责声明 说:
    @Sean McBride

    ‘Big league prediction/prophecy: in order to survive, Israel will not only need to accept the existence of “white” ethnic nationalist movements in the West, it will need to embrace, encourage and help enable them — to join forces with them’

    Your a half jew that does not want to accept that what is good for the Jews is bad for the gentiles. You cannot see the fundamental conflict of interest.

    克服自己。

  135. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Is it the “gods” who make them mad, or is it “God’s Chosen People”?

    Or could it be that they have made themselves mad?

  136. Anonymous[191]• 免责声明 说:
    @Corvinus

    I would just like to yake this oppertunity to tell you how crazy you sound.

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  137. Anonymous[191]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘Most people here are deluded conspiracy aficionados’

    From you thats a compliment.

  138. Anonymous[191]• 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    很有见地。

    I’ve seen comments where you appear to be a philosemite?

  139. @AaronB

    ‘I generally agree with your comment…’

    …followed by a really remarkable outpouring of hypocrisy and dishonest mumbo-jumbo — all in aid of a truly vicious cause.

  140. anon[163]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You forget that multiracial society can work for a good while as long as there’s plenty of segregation in both law and land. See Muslim Spain or India across her great history.

    The West refuses to maintain both segregation and a state that’s willing to enforce while meaning to maintain a main, core, reigning identity/creed. The Spain had following Allah. The India had the Dharma.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  141. @dfordoom

    Agreed. I would only add that I think the vector of national disintegration has penetrated deeply (with regional & class differences in degree) in & through all layers of European & Europe-derived societies

  142. neutral 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t know why are you are posting this, because it proves everything I wrote.

  143. Realistically, Peter, your presence would leave this event a smoking crater. Hazony himself points at the political power of progressivism in the environment now.

    I wish them well in this attempt to legitimise nationalism – it will have to be one step at a time.

  144. awry 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    In the US, there is, I think, a non-negligible level of race mixing of Jewish females & non-white (not only non-Jewish, but even African, Asian,..) men & their children are, at least technically- Jews.

    Not really IMHO, Jews are peddling racial mixing to the white goyim, but not for themselves. Jewish women sometimes marry non-Jews but almost only WASP’s or other high-status white goyim.
    Jewish men on the other hand also do marry “shiksas” despite that their offspring isn’t officially Jewish. Think Jared Kushner, Mark Zuckerberg etc.

  145. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    亚伦

    Your argument that you are special and we are not is the basis for group identity and is not objectionable. It doesn’t win you many friends and converts but does produce a few enemies. What gains you more enemies is your contention that you can use the argument for yourself and fellow Jews, but others are not allowed to use it. But what gets you, and many of your fellow travelling Jews, an incalculable number of enemies is your arrogant and duplicious attitude that produces inumerable words, paragraphs, essays, articles and books contending that you are special and we are not, and all predicated upon the idea that we are too stupid to see your argument.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  146. Truth3 说:

    Neoconservatism is simply a cover word for Jews attempting to co-opt Conservative Christians to back their Israeli First agenda. The reason they have been successful, and not strongly resisted and “outed”, is the stupidity that is called Christian Zionism.

    NeoCons are Jews, or shabbas goyim in their employ… they are not “Conservatives”.

  147. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    Japan is not culture based, as the example of the Korean community in Japan shows. Culturally they are perfect Japanese.

    Also a white kid growing up in Japan who has perfectly mastered the culture will face heavy discrimination.

    Nor is Japan phenotype based, as I already showed.

    Your example reinforces my point that phenotype is important but not enough. Thank you. Even ethnic Japanese who have culturally strayed too much may not be accepted. Civil wars also show this.

    As I said, its multidimensional – examine only one factor, you will be misled. With each nation making compromises unique to its history and special preoccupations.

    • 回复: @utu
  148. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    No other country in the world except for Israel uses or considers using genetic tests for citizenship. Your denial of reality is amazing and claiming that Israel is more flexible and so on than other countries in respect of offering citizenship is your pure Jewish chutzpah which is really disgusting.

    Other countries may grant citizenships on the basis of parent’s or grand parents citizenship. This is how Israeli Jews are getting German, Polish or French passports. So there is no race or culture consideration. Then there is naturalization which in principle in contemporary Western countries may not hinge on racial, cultural or religious consideration.

    Israel is both racist and religious state. While race will get you admittance with few exceptions (when a Jew converted to Christianity or Islam) religion itself is not sufficient. Again there are exceptions. Karaites who in some sense are more Judaic than Jews (their Judaism is pre-Talmudic) had to make a special pleading to be accepted in Israel.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  149. @dfordoom

    By “classical liberalism,” we are referring to the following traits and principles:

    [更多]

    -capitalism
    -civil liberties
    -civility
    -due process
    -economic freedom
    -empiricism
    -fairness
    - 免组装
    -free marketplace of ideas
    -自由市场
    - 言论自由
    - 自由思想
    -free trade
    -freedom of religion
    -freedom of the press
    -个人主义
    -limited government
    ——精英主义
    -personal privacy
    -private property
    -理性辩论
    -原因
    -rule of law
    -科学
    -skepticism
    -spontaneous order
    -宽容

    I will grant you that there are serious problems inherent in capitalism — but they are not as serious as the problems that emerged with anti-capitalist and socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Cambodia and elsewhere.

    The main point is that the contemporary post-Obama intersectionalist left has reduced classical liberalism — and just plain liberalism — to a rubble. One expects this political movement, which now substantially dominates the Democratic Party, to produce the same disastrous results as its previous incarnations under various Marxist guises in the 20th century.

    To the extent that intersectionalists are targeting Israelis and Jews for destruction, along with the West in its entirety, I am beginning to feel increasing sympathy for and even solidarity with “the Zionists.”

    At the moment, the West and Israel are under siege from the same enemies.

    Now, if you prefer Third World to First World cultural and political norms, that is of course your prerogative.

  150. AaronB 说:
    @dfordoom

    This is unfortunately correct.

    The only way back is for whites to relinquish some amount of conscious control – then a culture and religion will naturally develop.

    Culture and religion are mans non-rational interaction with natural forces.

    But it is deluded to think whites can do this deliberately, unfortunately.

    Only am event outside anyone’s control can change things.

  151. @anon

    Yes, but these were pre-modern societies. Whole global world is now either modern or tries to become.

  152. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    We weren’t talking about modern countries, but traditional nations.

    Yes, compared to modern European Enlightenment countries (who are trying to no longer be nations), there is a much stronger ethnic component in Judaism, although it still isn’t racist.

    Get with the program, utu. Read the thread before commenting.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Colin Wright
  153. neutral 说:
    @Sean McBride

    At the moment, the West and Israel are under siege from the same enemies.

    That is if you assume the enemy are Muslims, however even that does not match the reality that Saudi Arabia and other such Arab cuck states are happily supporting Israel.

    The enemy of the West is ultimately the jew. There is a direct inverse relationship between the plight of whites and the power of Israel and jews in the world. Just look at the where whites were in 1914, 1945 and now, and compare that to the jews for the same dates if you don’t believe me.

  154. 彼得

    At this very late stage in the Game…why do still want to hang out with Civic Nationalist Conservative Cucks?

    A vote for Ronald Reagan in the fall of 1980 was always a vote for POTUS Barack Obama…And POTUS Kamala Harris….

  155. AaronB 说:
    @iffen

    You don’t understand the nature of the Jewish conception of being chosen – btw, it is not being special.

    It is not about being biologically superior to you – it is not a Darwinian idea. In fact, Jews are the first people to reject biological superiority in favor of moral superiority.

    The Psalms say for the first time “the meek shall inherit the Earth”, and the haughty and proud man shall be made low, and the righteous and charitable man shall be saved. The Prophets have the same theme.

    In other words, the Darwinian superior man who is proud of superiority will be cast down, and the moral man saved.

    Nietzsche called this the “revaluation of all values” – and he was quite correct.

    So, far from others not being allowed to be special, the Jewish idea is that others are called to be 特别 – and Israel’s mission is to help everyone else become special.

    The behavior of people of Jewish ancestry in America who are guilty of all sorts of hypocrisy has nothing to do with the Jewish religion.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Colin Wright
  156. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    special/chosen

    托马托/托马托

    I do understand. You just don’t understand that I understand.

    Your claim to be chosen/special/etc. is based upon the assertion that you are chosen/special/etc., just like my claim that me and my peeps are chosen/special/etc. is based upon my assertion that we are chosen/special/etc.

    Reduction. Look it up.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  157. iffen 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I forgot my own rule.

    或许是吧。

    My point was that they explicitly stated that racialists were antithetical to the conference. The fact that some racialists wanted to test this is of little interest or importance.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  158. utu 说:
    @dfordoom

    “…are hopelessly deluded…they’re not completely deluded…” – While I may be deluding myself, I think your description is more valid for America, Australia and Canada. But Europeans retained narratives of their connection to their history and their soil which is essentially ethnic without explicit invocation of race, so they do not need to talk about being white as much as white Americans do. European history is the history of wars of whites against whites and of Christians against Christians. That’s why the race based identity in Europe is not the most important one. Europeans killed more white people than people of any other race. You can hold over Europeans guilt for the Holocaust but you can’t effectively undermine them with the narratives that they have stolen land from some indigenous populations that they genocided and subjugated which is the narrative that was and is effectively used to undermine Americans, Canadians and Europeans. The narrative based on what happened to poor Neanderthals will not get much traction though obviously narratives that whites or rather the Indo-European conquerors of Europe were natural born killers and rapists are being promoted using ancient DNA and so on.

    One reason why white nationalists are falling into a trap of racial delusion that they could built a nation based on combination genotype and phenotype is because the stories they used to tell themselves about themselves that were not really racial were taken away from them and de facto invalidated. White nationalists suffer form extreme poverty of ideas and I would not exclude possibility that among the useful idiots there are also agent provocateurs. But the stories are still there. They have to be resurrected and recirculated. The stories about our Western civilization and all the good and unique aspects of it are still out there. But to bring back the stories is not easy. Teaching Greek and Latin in schools was abandoned after WWII. It was done for a reason. Christianity was replaced with Judeo-Christianity to saw confusion.

    As you pointed out it is the elite that is neither Greek nor Jewish that is behind the changes but I think, you have to admit that the philosophy this elite subscribes to is compatible with Jewish beliefs and value system. Jews took to it like a fish takes to water. And Jewish wars against the elites (like communism) stopped once they were able to populate the elites with disproportionate Jewish representation.

  159. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    No, Judaism is supremacist and racist. You know it and everybody knows it.

  160. @iffen

    ‘…My point was that they explicitly stated that racialists were antithetical to the conference. The fact that some racialists wanted to test this is of little interest or importance.’

    I guess I wasn’t clear enough. How can a conference organized by a Zionist be anti-‘racialist’? Absent the concept of race, Zionism is meaningless.

    • 回复: @iffen
  161. @AaronB

    ‘So, far from others not being allowed to be special, the Jewish idea is that others are called to be special – and Israel’s mission is to help everyone else become special.’

    Please point to an example of religious Jews actually seeking to do this.

    I’d argue your formulation is simply an attempt to evade the truth about Judaism. Just as Nazism was a doctrine for one people, exalting that one people, so Judaism was for one people, and exalted that one people; the Old Testament is quite clear on that point. Indeed, Judaism advocates some very Nazi-like fates for non-Jews — particularly non-Jews in land Jews feel they should have.

    This is just the way it is. If you want to reject it, you’re rejecting the religion.

    Now, Christianity and Islam have universalist aspirations. If you want a universalist faith, I suggest you pick one of those.

  162. AaronB 说:
    @iffen

    Yes – it certainly is not modern egalitarianism.

    It is hierarchical. Jews have a special status that comes from having a special mission. However, they are not innately superior, and their mission is to elevate everyone ultimately. And only God has ultimate value.

    Obviously, it has no precise analogue among modern ideas, and attempts to understand it in a Darwinian framework, or any framework resting on modern assumptions, will produce misunderstandings.

    It must be understood on its own terms – and then rejected or accepted based on that.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @iffen
  163. @AaronB

    ‘Yes, compared to modern European Enlightenment countries (who are trying to no longer be nations), there is a much stronger ethnic component in Judaism, although it still isn’t racist.’

    This is all a bit silly, since, if you read a book like From Peasants into Frenchmen, the concept that they were Frenchmen didn’t even occur to most of the inhabitants of what is now France until some point in the Nineteenth Century.

    As a mass phenomenon, nationality is all a very recent development. It’s typical of human beings to discuss something that only dates back one-two hundred years as if it’s existed from time immemorial. Two hundred years ago, the ancestors of most modern Frenchmen didn’t even speak French, let alone think they were French. Ditto, more or less (and usually less) for just about every one of the hallowed nationalities of Europe.

    Of course, Judaism does something similar. AaronB spends half his time trying to graft various modern (and gentile) pieties onto a viciously tribal faith that before the nineteenth century, displayed absolutely no evidence of professing them. ‘The ancient and devout universalism of Judaism.’ Right. Too bad about the words and the deeds. If it wasn’t for those…

    …and of course the ethnic component of Judaism is racist. It’s simply silliness to pretend otherwise.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  164. utu 说:
    @AaronB

    “mission is to elevate everyone ultimately” – You have no shame.

    以色列塞哈迪派领袖拉比·奥瓦迪亚·约瑟夫(Rabbi Ovadia Yosef)在每周六晚上的布道中说,存在非犹太人为犹太人服务。
    https://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/israel/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews

    Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to some laughter.

    https://www.jpost.com/National-News/Shas-spiritual-leader-Rabbi-Ovadia-Yosef-dies-at-93-328072
    President Shimon Peres, who was among the last non-family visitors to Yosef in his final moments, kissed his hand and his forehead, embraced his sons and offered words of comfort to other close relatives.

    Jewish Agency chairman Natan Sharansky called Yosef one of the greatest rabbinic authorities who built the nation of Israel in the Land of Israel. He said entire Jewish communities returned to Israel thanks to Yosef’s rulings.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  165. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    You are correct, modern France is a recent nation, composed of diverse phenotypic strands. As are most modern European nations.

    Which is a good example of disparate peoples unifying into a nation.

    Before that, France was composed of multiple mini-nations.

    But the concept of a nation or people certainly predates modern nationalism – which, it is true, is somewhat artificial, and based on Enlightenment ideas.

    So modern Nationalism is already the beginning of the decline of the traditional concept of a nation or people. In hindsight, it was a transitional state towards the post-nation.

    As for Judaism, its the opposite – my ideas are lifted directly from the OT and other ancient sources – I cited the Psalms and Isaiah just recently – and are consistent with most mainstream Jewish belief today.

    To privilege Jewish heresies of modern times, when everything is corrupted by Darwinian ideas, as the “essence” of Judaism, makes no sense.

    Jews have not been spared the corrupting influence of modern materialism and enlightenment ideas.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  166. AaronB 说:
    @utu

    Right, utu, and the Massacre at Beziers during the Albigensian crusade represents the true essence and meaning of Jesus’s message.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  167. @AaronB

    You are correct, modern France is a recent nation, composed of diverse phenotypic strands. As are most modern European nations…

    ...

    …But the concept of a nation or people certainly predates modern nationalism – which, it is true, is somewhat artificial, and based on Enlightenment ideas….’

    You have a bizarre gift for calmly stating ideas which are not merely non-sequiturs, but actually mutually exclusive, as if they went together.

    I’d say you’d escaped from the pages of 追赶22的, but I suspect you’re a real person.

    Contrary to what you attempt to assert, most pre-modern ‘peoples’ were quite prepared to add anyone to their ranks who would join their religion, or swear allegiance to their king, or whatever. People weren’t ‘Prussians’ but ‘subjects of the King of Prussia’ — and Frederick the Great had Polish-speaking regiments, and no one thought anything about it. Converted to Catholicism, the descendants of Montezuma magically became Spanish nobility. Etc. Greeks cheerily Hellenized most of the ancient Middle East. The category of ‘Roman’ kept growing, and growing, and growing — until in 212 a.d. it simply became any freeman under the authority of the Empire.

    And so on. …Except for Judaism, which, while it obviously massively proselytized in the early centuries of the Christian era, ceased to do so at some pointand became maniacally exclusivist, hugging to itself a mystical conviction of its superiority in the eyes of God as a substitute for its manifest inadequacies in the physical world.

    …and this is what you are attempting to somehow elevate, and make praiseworthy.

    Still, I suppose this sort of intellectual perversion is necessary if one is to defend modern Israel.

  168. @AaronB

    ‘Right, utu, and the Massacre at Beziers during the Albigensian crusade represents the true essence and meaning of Jesus’s message.’

    As far as I know, the massacre of Beziers isn’t what Christians turn to when they seek to understand their faith.

    Ovadia Yosef was who Jews turned to more than any other figure — and not just ancient Jews, but the Jews of our time.

    You would compare the failure and low point of the one faith with the apogee of the other. Okay, fine: Christianity at its worst is no better than Judaism at its best.

    Do we have a consensus?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  169. 只是一个温柔的提醒:

    A vote for Ronald Reagan was always a vote for NONWHITE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RACE POWER!!! in 2019……You should have understood this obvious point back in 1980…….

  170. What has been called “CONSERVATISM” since as far back as POTUS NIXON:

    1)Worship of Mega-Corporations

    2)Worship of GE Jack Welch…”GE turns living Humans into corpses”….Background music Pacharel…..

    19th Century American Conservatism was the complete opposite….

  171. Corvinus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Obviously what I said is way above your intellectual pay grade, so I would expect you to make that sort of statement.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Anonymous
  172. iffen 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I guess I wasn’t clear enough.

    我也没有。

    How can a conference organized by a Zionist be anti-‘racialist’? Absent the concept of race, Zionism is meaningless.

    Most Zionists do not consider Zionism to be racialist. (See the current comments by AaronB “The Novice.”) They consider white identitarians/nationalists/blah-blah to be racialists. It was their conference. They get to define the membership.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  173. iffen 说:
    @AaronB

    It must be understood on its own terms – and then rejected or accepted based on that.

    Rejection it is!

  174. Agent76 说:

    2019-06-25 Trump’s Tweet Is A Good Pretext To Operationalize The Arabian Aspect Of W-CPEC+

    It’s inevitable that CPEC’s economic momentum will lead to it strategically expanding into the Gulf, so China and Pakistan should use Trump’s latest tweet urging countries to militarily protect their own oil tankers there to operationalize the Arabian aspect of W-CPEC+ and indirectly counter India’s (and possibly soon even its “Indo-Pacific” ally Japan’s) naval deployment to the region.

    https://eurasiafuture.com/2019/06/25/trumps-tweet-is-a-good-pretext-to-operationalize-the-arabian-aspect-of-w-cpec/

  175. anonymous[105]• 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    Truth is irrelevant to any narrative that is produced by a Jew. All that is relevant is that they can create a narrative that sounds good, regardless of how exaggerated it may be in reality. This Aaron fellow is just the latest version in a long line of bullshit artist Jews. For now it is interesting to see just how much he has to distort and force into his narrative to justify his Jewish superiority nonsense.

    Jews are completely incapable of genuine self-reflection; they are essentially running on autopilot. This is where their arrogance comes from, and it is why it seems impossible for them to understand their faults. It is this blind spot that has gotten them into trouble time and time again thoughout their history.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Corvinus
  176. @iffen

    ‘…Most Zionists do not consider Zionism to be racialist. (See the current comments by AaronB “The Novice.”) They consider white identitarians/nationalists/blah-blah to be racialists. It was their conference. They get to define the membership.’

    It doesn’t really matter whether they consider Zionism to be ‘racialist.’

    The fact remains that Zionism is ‘racialist.’ Of course it is. Absent ‘racialism,’ Zionism becomes a nonsensical term.

  177. @Corvinus

    ‘Obviously what I said is way above your intellectual pay grade, so I would expect you to make that sort of statement.’

    Suffice it to observe that the other commentator here who habitually denigrates the intelligence of whoever he talks to is Obandiyag.

  178. @Sean McBride

    By “classical liberalism,” we are referring to the following traits and principles:

    You’ve provided a handy list of all the things that have wrecked western civilisation.

    Classical liberalism is cancer.

    • 回复: @iffen
  179. iffen 说:
    @dfordoom

    You’ve provided a handy list of all the things that have wrecked western civilisation.

    He provided a handy list that describes Western Civilization.

    But, yes, it is devouring its young.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  180. @Sean McBride

    Right, but the weakness of 17th-19th C liberalism is their inability to cope with pressing national & class questions.

    Liberalism of that type is sustainable if you have more or less homogeneous & stable, literate society ready to compromise & not sharply divided along national, racial or class lines. If not…..

    • 回复: @Sean McBride
  181. iffen 说:

    not sharply divided along national, racial or class lines.

    Can you point me to the years when this did not describe the US?

  182. @Bardon Kaldian

    In fact, classical liberalism — and the modern liberal international order — are in a state of possibly permanent collapse, as the result of resurgent identity politics worldwide — ethnic, racial, nationalist, religious, etc. — and escalating radical wealth inequality.

    Classical liberalism may only be workable in advanced Western nations which share common cultural values. Those nations have been in a state of demographic and cultural disintegration for several decades now — and the process is rapidly accelerating.

    Intellectual elites in the West have been slow to figure out what is happening and have been repeatedly stunned and shocked at current anti-globalist and populist political trends in the United States and Europe. (Donald Trump’s election was only the tip of the iceberg.)

    Enlightenment principles are being manipulated and exploited by a wide variety of anti-Western groups that in fact have no understanding of those principles and who despise them. The whole modern liberal edifice is coming crashing down.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  183. @iffen

    He provided a handy list that describes Western Civilization.

    But, yes, it is devouring its young.

    Whether those things were ever positive things is hard to say, but they’re now the poisons that are killing our civilisation.

    Maybe it’s like our civilisation is suffering from one of those diseases where your own immune system kills you.

    But either way those things on that checklist are mostly going to have to be abandoned if we’re going to save ourselves.

    • 回复: @Sean McBride
    , @iffen
  184. @dfordoom

    “But either way those things on that checklist are mostly going to have to be abandoned if we’re going to save ourselves.”

    What does your checklist of desirable values look like?

  185. iffen 说:
    @dfordoom

    one of those diseases where your own immune system kills you.

    Yes, an auto-immune response; I like it.

    或:

    Walt Kelly’s most famous creation is “Pogo” and his most famous phrase is “We have met the enemy and he is us,”

  186. Malla 说:
    @Corvinus

    In other words, the USA was doomed to be an eventual failure from the very start.

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  187. surly 说:
    @Richard B

    任何阅读此评论但未阅读 Unz 出版的《美国的铁幕》的人都应该这样做。 你想谈论成为目标。

    几周前我拿到了一份《铁幕》的纸质副本。 如果你想知道为什么可萨人是一个被禁止的话题而麦卡锡参议员是一个恶棍,你会学到一些东西。 这是示例#10,001,某些人将自己注入其他国家的战略位置,大力颠覆他们接触到的一切,造成无法估量的损害,然后将这些该死的证据扭曲成颠倒的叙述,让当地人将其视为自己丑陋的历史。

  188. “I have never come across an American immigration patriot who worries about whether Jews are a superior race, or has a definition of the American nation so strict that it would exclude Jews.

    At least, not yet.”

    Well, Peter, you either lead an incredibly sheltered existence or, more likely, you’re as big a liar as that Yid, Haxony.

    Have you talked to a White American (Canadian, Brit, Aussie) under the age of 60 lately?

    You sound like just another Boomer Cuck marinated since birth in Jew lies.

  189. Anonymous[246]• 免责声明 说:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘As far as I know, the massacre of Beziers isn’t what Christians turn to when they seek to understand their faith.

    Ovadia Yosef was who Jews turned to more than any other figure — and not just ancient Jews, but the Jews of our time.

    You would compare the failure and low point of the one faith with the apogee of the other. Okay, fine: Christianity at its worst is no better than Judaism at its best.

    Do we have a consensus?’

    野蛮。

    I see that he did not reply.

    You keep hammering away.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  190. Anonymous[246]• 免责声明 说:
    @Corvinus

    ‘intellectual pay grade’

    Forgive me I may just be dense but what is an ‘intellectual pay grade’.

  191. Corvinus 说:
    @Malla

    “In other words, the USA was doomed to be an eventual failure from the very start.”

    Actually, it enabled our nation to become a powerful political and economic force. Do you enjoy being notoriously bone-headed?

    • 回复: @Malla
  192. Corvinus 说:
    @anonymous

    The reality is that whites like yourself are completely incapable of genuine self-reflection; you are essentially running on autopilot. This is where your arrogance comes from, and it is why it seems impossible for you to understand their faults. It is this blind spot that has gotten them into trouble time and time again thoughout your history on this blog.

    See how that works, dear?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  193. @Anonymous

    ‘Brutal.

    I see that he did not reply.

    You keep hammering away.’

    Thank you. I intend to.

  194. @Sean McBride

    Classical liberalism may only be workable in advanced Western nations which share common cultural values. Those nations have been in a state of demographic and cultural disintegration for several decades now — and the process is rapidly accelerating.

    Do you think it’s possible that the demographic and cultural disintegration is a direct consequence of classical liberalism?

    The demographic and cultural disintegration has been going on for a lot longer than several decades. More than a century, in fact the beginnings of the disintegration go back even further.

    • 同意: AaronB
  195. Malla 说:
    @Corvinus

    Do you enjoy being notoriously bone-headed?

    Do you? You seem to.

    Actually, it enabled our nation to become a powerful political and economic force.

    LOL. A 90% black/ brown America would have been nothing of the sort.

  196. Anonymous[246]• 免责声明 说:
    @Corvinus

    对。

    You tell em.

    All those White people who are incapable of building thier own self-sustaining civilisations and who need to live in other people’s societies and who have been kicked out of 109 countries all the while claiming they were innocent victims of senseless aggression.

    等一下…

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  197. @dfordoom

    Liberals, in principle, cannot “understand” national question & tribal loyalties. True, many of classic liberals were realistic people who had been aware of necessities of national self-determination & strength of collective identities. But, in their core – if there is one at all – liberals tend to gloss over sharply divided societies with divisions nothing can erase. The best thing they had come up with is consociationalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consociationalism), which, I’d call them realistic liberals proposed – but it was generally dismissed as not being “truly” modern or “good”.

    Because, in their heart of hearts, liberals don’t have a powerful collective identity. They don’t even get it.

  198. Corvinus 说:
    @Anonymous

    “All those White people who are incapable of building thier own self-sustaining civilisations…”

    How was it self-sustaining if natural resources from other places were seized by force, with slave labor being a catalyst?

    你必须回去。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  199. @dfordoom

    “Do you think it’s possible that the demographic and cultural disintegration is a direct consequence of classical liberalism?”

    It is becoming increasingly obvious that classical liberalism provided the tools for its enemies to infiltrate it and destroy it from within.

    Inspired by the mission of promoting tolerance, classical liberalism welcomed within its ranks cultures that despise tolerance and which are in fact proponents of full-bore authoritarianism and totalitarianism in pursuit of their various narrow tribal interests.

    The West — the US and Europe — is facing the prospect of total disintegration and endless wars of every identity group against every other identity group. Call it “diversity” and “inclusion.”

  200. Anonymous[118]• 免责声明 说:
    @Corvinus

    ‘How was it self-sustaining if natural resources from other places were seized by force, with slave labor being a catalyst?’

    So hold on a second Europe would not be a self-sustaining civilisation without colonialism? Wasn’t there like 1000 years before Whites made it to other continents? Colonialism was an (indirect) product of a healthy growing civilisation that wanted to expand.

    Whites could live forever without Jews, Jews could not live a day without a host civilisation. Israel is bankrolled by Whites.

    Goodness you are dumb.

    • 回复: @Corvinus
  201. Corvinus 说:
    @Anonymous

    “So hold on a second Europe would not be a self-sustaining civilisation without colonialism?”

    Colonialism and imperialism were necessary ingredients.

    “Colonialism was an (indirect) product of a healthy growing civilisation that wanted to expand.”

    No, it was the cause to ensure a self-sustaining civilization, not the result.

    “Jews could not live a day without a host civilisation.”

    They bankrolled whites during the Crusades and during the Age of Exploration, friend.

    “Israel is bankrolled by Whites.”

    也许。 再说一次,也许不是。

  202. iffen 说:
    @dfordoom

    Do you think it’s possible that the demographic and cultural disintegration is a direct consequence of classical liberalism?

    咄。

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