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“对 [Mr. 欧文的] 不知疲倦的学术产业。 他寻找并发现了许多新来源,包括许多私人日记。 他还测试了迄今为止被接受的文件,并将其中许多作为伪造文件丢弃。 因此,他声称,他对希特勒的描绘完全基于可靠的主要证据……一位准确而严谨的历史学家。”——休·特雷弗-罗珀(Hugh Trevor-Roper(戴克勋爵),牛津大学现代历史教授。

“读者一下子就被吸引住了,因为作者是如此明显地融入了他的元素; 他在那里……因为他正在“尽可能通过希特勒的眼睛,从他的办公桌后面”呈现 1939-45 年的事件。 在我看来,他在这方面非常成功——除了《餐桌谈话》,我什么都没读过,它让我对希特勒的思想有了如此直接的感觉”——“泰晤士报” 伦敦

“两本英文书在二战的大量文献中脱颖而出。 切斯特·威尔莫特于 1952 年出版的《欧洲的斗争》和三年前出现的大卫·欧文的《希特勒的战争》……他们这样做是因为,从完全相反的视角,每个人都在处理整个战争的战略,如果教条主义的感觉令人印象深刻它……第二本书还没有进入我们对冲突的一般理解,尽管当关于其耸人听闻的元素的争议用尽时,它无疑会这样做。”-约翰·基根爵士,国防编辑 “每日电讯报” in 时代文学增刊.

“我们对二战德国方面的最佳研究”——Prof. 戈登·克雷格,斯坦福大学。

“历史学家被授予一种连神都否认的才能——改变已经发生的事情!”

当我开始研究阿道夫希特勒十二年的绝对权力时,我记住了这句话。 我认为自己是一名石材清洁工——与其说是建筑评估,不如说是擦洗一座寂静而令人生畏的纪念碑正面多年的污垢和变色。 我开始从元首的办公桌后面描述事件,通过他的眼睛看到每一集。 该技术必然会缩小视野,但它确实有助于解释其他无法解释的决策。 我之前认识的人都没有尝试过,但似乎值得付出努力:毕竟,希特勒的战争造成 XNUMX 万人死亡,整个欧洲和半个亚洲都被大火和爆炸物浪费了; 它摧毁了希特勒的“第三帝国”,使英国破产,失去了帝国,给世界事务带来了持久的混乱; 它见证了共产主义在一个大陆的根深蒂固,以及它在另一个大陆的兴起。

在早期的书中,我依赖于那个时期的原始记录,而不是出版的文献,因为它包含了太多的历史陷阱。 我天真地认为五年内可以将相同的原始来源技术应用于对希特勒的研究。 事实上,这将是第一卷之前的十三年, 希特勒的战争,于 1977 年出版,二十年后我仍在索引并添加到​​我的纪录片文件​​中。 我记得 1965 年,我开车去蒂尔伯里码头收集美国政府为这项研究订购的一箱缩微胶卷; 带来板条箱的班轮早已报废,造船厂本身被夷为平地。 我想我以一种过于悠闲的速度接受了这一切。 然而,我希望现在更新和修订的这本传记将比其竞争对手更长寿,并且越来越多的未来作家发现自己不得不查阅它以获取其他任何一本都不包含的材料。 环游世界我发现它已经将学术历史学家社区从上到下分裂,特别是在围绕“大屠杀”的争议中。 仅在澳大利亚,来自新南威尔士大学和西澳大利亚大学的学生告诉我,他们在那里因为引用 希特勒的战争; 在卧龙岗大学和堪培拉大学,学生如果不这样做就会受到纪律处分。 这本传记是从桑德赫斯特到纽约西点军校和宾夕法尼亚州卡莱尔的军事学院的军官必读的传记,直到特殊利益集团向这些学习席位的指挥官施加压力; 在那个时代,它得到了铁幕背后的专家和极右翼居民的批评。

不是每个人都满意。 作为这部作品的作者,我的家被暴徒闯入,我的家人受到恐吓,我的名字被抹黑,我的打印机被燃烧弹炸毁,我自己被民主的小国逮捕并驱逐出境——他们的法院裁定这是一种非法行为,为此部长级罪犯受到惩罚; 在不满的学者和有影响力的公民的要求下,在随后的几年里,我被加拿大驱逐出境(1992 年),并被拒绝进入澳大利亚、新西兰、意大利、南非和世界其他文明国家(1993 年)。

在我缺席的情况下,国际附属团体向图书馆员发出信件,请求将这本书从他们的书架上撤下。 不时向我展示这些信件的副本。 一名记者为 时间 1988 年在纽约与我一起用餐的杂志评论说:“在我过来之前,我阅读了关于你的剪报文件。 直到 希特勒的战争 你没有错,你是媒体的宠儿; 但在那之后……”

我不为修改了这个人的现有照片而道歉。 我试图给予他那种他会在英国法院获得的听证会——在那里适用正常的证据规则,但也适用于一定程度的洞察力。

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有怀疑论者质疑,与更传统的信息采石场相比,严重依赖(不可避免地倾斜)私人来源作为一种调查方法是否更好。 我的回答是,我们当然不能完全否认私人资源的价值。 作为 “华盛顿邮报” 在 1977 年对第一版的评论中指出,“英国历史学家对希特勒的态度一直比德国或美国作家更客观。”

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我完成手稿的结论甚至让我感到震惊。 希特勒远没有人们想象的那么无所不能,他对下属的控制也逐年减弱。 三集——30 年 1934 月 1938 日恩斯特·罗姆事件的后果、一个月后的多尔弗斯暗杀事件以及 1938 年 1938 月的反犹暴行——展示了他的权力如何被那些他觉得自己身处其中的人先发制人以一种或另一种方式负债。 虽然我的希特勒在战前的核心和指导性野心始终保持不变,但他的方法和策略却是极其投机取巧的。 希特勒坚信抓住转瞬即逝的机会。 XNUMX 年,他对他的副官说:“只有一瞬间,幸运女神飘过,如果你不抓住她,你就不会得到第二次机会!” 他利用 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月的双重丑闻将自己从过于保守的军队总司令维尔纳·冯·弗里奇 (Werner von Fritsch) 手中剥离,并成为他自己的最高指挥官的方式就是一个很好的例子。

他的地理野心没有改变。 他对不列颠或她的帝国根本没有野心,所有捕获的记录都充分证明了这一点。 为了持续打击不列颠群岛,他确实建立了错误的空军和错误的海军。 微妙的迹象,例如他对弗里茨·托德(Fritz Todt)(第 21 页)的指示,即在帝国西部边境竖立巨大的纪念碑,表明对希特勒来说,这些边境具有持久的性质。 他入侵东方的计划同样有确凿的证据——他 1933 年 25 月的秘密讲话(第 1936 页)、40 年 41 月的备忘录(第 1937-50 页)、1938 年 88 月关于将皮劳扩建为波罗的海海军基地的指示(第 92 页),以及他在 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月对墨索里尼的评论(第 XNUMX 页),即“德国将沿着古老的条顿小路向东迈出”。 直到那个月晚些时候,事实证明(第 XNUMX 页),希特勒才最终让自己接受英国和法国可能不会袖手旁观的可能性。

在战前的最后几年里,希特勒高度依赖心理战技术。 这个原则并不新鲜:拿破仑本人曾这样定义它:“战争中武器的声誉就是一切,等同于真正的力量。” 通过使用宣传部和各种编辑部的记录,我试图说明纳粹在这些“冷战”技术方面的先进程度。 与这个主题相关的是我对希特勒的外国情报来源的强调。 纳粹的窃听和密码破译机构 Forschungsamt 在 1945 年销毁了所有记录,是他许多成功的关键。 该机构窃听了柏林的外国外交官,更重要的是,它逐小时向希特勒提供了 1938 年 118 月陷入困境的布拉格与在伦敦和巴黎的捷克外交官之间进行的骇人听闻和不谨慎的电话交谈的记录(第 126-22 页) )。 从慕尼黑时期到与英国的战争爆发,希特勒几乎每小时都可以跟踪他的敌人对纳粹的每一个策略的反应,他在 1939 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日正确推断,虽然西方列强很可能正式宣战,但他们不会实际上战斗 - 不是一开始,就是这样。

战争年代将希特勒视为一位强大而无情的军事指挥官,他是 1940 年 1942 月的法国战役和 1941 年 XNUMX 月的哈尔科夫战役等伟大胜利背后的灵感来源; 就连朱可夫元帅后来私下也承认,希特勒 XNUMX 年夏季的战略——而不是总参谋部对莫斯科的正面进攻——无疑是正确的。 然而与此同时,希特勒变得松懈和优柔寡断 政治 允许国家事务停滞不前的领导人。 尽管他经常残忍和麻木不仁,但他缺乏在最重要的地方冷酷无情的能力。 他拒绝轰炸伦敦本身,直到 1940 年 1940 月下旬丘吉尔先生强迫他做出决定。他不愿意将全面动员的考验强加于德国“主要种族”,直到为时已晚,以至于弹药工厂由于需要人力,无所事事的德国家庭主妇仍在雇用 XNUMX 万家佣来打扫房屋和擦亮家具。 希特勒在军事上的犹豫不决有时会表现出来,例如在XNUMX年纳尔维克战役这样的危机时期他的恐慌摇摆不定。他对德国境内的敌人采取无效措施的时间太长,似乎无法有效应对强大的反对派在他的最高指挥部的核心。 事实上,他遭受无能的部长和将军的折磨比盟军领导人所经历的时间要长得多。 他未能为共同的事业团结党和国防军的敌对派别,而且他被证明无法扼杀战争部 (OKH) 对国防军最高司令部 (OKW) 的腐蚀性仇恨。

我相信我在这本书中表明,希特勒越是把自己关在他偏远军事总部的带刺铁丝网和雷区后面,他的德国就越成为没有元首的元首国家。 国内政策由每个部门中最有权势的人控制——赫尔曼戈林作为强大的经济机构四年计划的负责人; 汉斯·拉默斯 (Hans Lammers) 担任帝国总理; 或纳粹党头子马丁·鲍曼 (Martin Bormann); 或由内政部长兼邪恶著名党卫军的帝国元首海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmler) 撰写。

希特勒是一个问题,甚至对他最亲密的顾问来说也是一个难题。 1945 年,他的外交部长约阿希姆·冯·里宾特洛甫 (Joachim von Ribbentrop) 在他的纽伦堡监狱牢房中写道:

我在 1933 年更深入地了解阿道夫·希特勒。 然而,如果今天有人问我是否了解他——他作为一名政治家和政治家的看法,他是什么样的人——那么我必须承认我知道对他的了解很少; 真的,什么都没有。 事实是,虽然我和他一起经历了这么多,但在与他共事的所有岁月里,我从未像我们见面的第一天那样亲近他,无论是个人还是其他方面。

从他在某些方面的残暴与他近乎伤感的多愁善感和顽固地遵守其他人早已放弃的军事公约的比较,可以看出这个角色的绝对复杂性。 我们发现他冷酷地下令处决 1943 名人质,每杀死一名德国占领军士兵; 下令屠杀 1942 年将武器转向德国军队的意大利军官; 下令清理红军政委、盟军突击队和俘虏的盟军机组人员; XNUMX年,他宣布斯大林格勒和列宁格勒的男性人口将被消灭。 他以战争的权宜之计为所有这些命令辩护。 然而,同一个希特勒在他生命的最后一周愤怒地惊呼,苏联坦克在柏林街头巷战中使用纳粹万字符作为诡计,他断然禁止他的国防军违反国旗规则。 他反对任何使用毒气的建议,因为这会违反《日内瓦议定书》; 当时只有德国制造了可能赢得战争的致命神经毒气沙林毒气和塔本毒气。 在民主国家的政府企图、策划或纵容暗杀行动不便的人的时代,无论成功与否[1]现在可以在乔治华盛顿大学的网站 www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv 上查看中央情报局关于计划暗杀和暗杀技术的文件。 ——从西科尔斯基将军、达尔兰海军上将、隆美尔元帅和保加利亚国王鲍里斯到菲德尔·卡斯特罗、帕特里斯·卢蒙巴和萨尔瓦多·阿连德——我们了解到,世界上最肆无忌惮的独裁者希特勒不仅从不暗杀外国对手,而且断然禁止他的 Abwehr 尝试。 他尤其拒绝了卡纳利斯海军上将刺杀红军总参谋部的计划。

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分析性地处理希特勒的最大问题是多年激烈的战时宣传和感人的战后历史编纂故意制造的对他的厌恶。 我带着几乎中性的感觉来到这个主题。 我自己对这场战争的印象仅限于快照记忆——1940 年夏天,在当地蓝铃树林的亨克尔轰炸机残骸周围野餐; V 1 飞弹从头顶飞过的地狱风琴音符; 单调的军车车队隆隆驶过我们的国门; 计算每天从德国赶回来的美国轰炸机中队的差距; 向 1944 年 XNUMX 月从南海海滩驶往诺曼底的运兵船挥手; 当然,还有 VE 日本身,伴随着篝火和敲锣打鼓。 我们对所有这些“负责”的德国人的了解并不深刻。 在 每个人的 杂志,早已不复存在,我想起了“费里尔的世界探照灯”,每周都有一幅漫画,描绘了一个名叫戈培尔的畸形足侏儒和其他漫画纳粹英雄。

从那以后,漫画一直困扰着现代历史的写作。 面对希特勒本人的现象,历史学家无法理解他是一个走路、说话的人,重约 155 磅,头发花白,假牙和慢性消化系统疾病。 对他们来说,他是魔鬼的化身:他必须是,因为我们在摧毁他时做出了牺牲。

在纽伦堡战争罪审判中,漫画化的过程变得受人尊敬。 从那时起,历史一直受到起诉团队选择证据的方法以及随后以整齐的印刷和索引卷出版以及焚烧可能阻碍起诉工作的任何文件的困扰。 在纽伦堡,发生的事情的责任从将军转移到部长,从部长转移到党的官员,而所有人都无一例外地都归咎于希特勒。 在战后德国胜利者建立的“许可”出版商和报纸制度下,传奇繁荣起来。 没有任何故事会荒谬到无法在历史书籍和回忆录中获得信任。

在这些创意作家中,德国总参谋部引以为豪。 如果没有希特勒,他们中很少有人能超越上校。 他们欠他他们的工作、他们的奖牌、他们的遗产和捐赠,而且经常是他们的胜利。 战争结束后,那些幸存下来的人——有时是因为他们被解雇,从而脱离了战场的危险——想方设法将最终失败的责任推到一边。 在纽伦堡检察官罗伯特·杰克逊 (Robert H. Jackson) 法官的档案中,我发现了一张纸条,警告前总参谋长弗朗茨·哈尔德将军提议采用的策略:“我只是想提请您注意 CSDIC 对哈尔德谈话的拦截与其他将军。 他对他认为应该压制或歪曲的事情非常坦率,特别是对德国总参谋部参与任何事情的建议非常敏感,特别是计划战争。

幸运的是,CSDIC(联合服务详细审讯中心)的隐藏麦克风不止一次记录了良心和记忆之间这种尴尬的偏移。 因此,6 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日在比特堡被俘的第三军指挥官罗斯基希骑兵将军在三天后被偷听到描述他如何在俄罗斯维捷布斯克附近的一个小镇上亲自消灭犹太人,以及他如何被警告不要打扰明斯克附近的乱葬坑,因为这些坟墓即将被挖掘和焚烧,以摧毁所有痕迹。 “我已经决定,”他告诉其他囚犯,“扭曲我所做的每一个陈述,以便将军官团洗白—— 狠,狠![2]CSDIC(英国)报告 SRGG.1133,9 年 1945 月 208 日,伦敦公共记录办公室,文件 WO.4169/XNUMX。 当美国俘虏要求海因茨·古德里安将军和傲慢自大的利奥·盖尔·冯·施韦彭堡将军撰写自己的战争历史时,他们首先寻求陆军元帅威廉·里布作为第七军 CSDIC 高级官员的许可。 隐藏的麦克风再次记录了他们的谈话:

Leeb:嗯,我只能给你我个人的意见...... 当你的答案涉及目标、原因和行动的进展时,你必须仔细权衡你的答案,以了解它们可能会在哪些方面影响我们祖国的利益。 一方面,我们不得不承认美国人非常准确地了解作战过程; 他们甚至知道我们这边雇佣了哪些单位。 然而,他们对我们的动机并不十分熟悉。 并且有一点建议谨慎行事,以免我们成为世界的笑柄。 我不知道你和希特勒是什么关系,但我知道他的军事能力…… 当你谈到这个问题时,你必须仔细考虑你的答案,这样你就不会说任何会让我们的祖国感到尴尬的事情......

Geyr von Schweppenburg:心理学家所知道的疯狂类型无法与元首所遭受的那种疯狂相提并论。 他是一个被农奴包围的疯子。 我认为我们不应该像在我们的声明中那样强烈地表达自己的意见。 然而,为了免除少数人的责任,必须提及这一事实。

在为 1939 年哪些德国将军(如果有的话)提倡战争而苦恼之后,里布建议道:“现在的问题是,我们是否不应该只是公开承认我们所知道的一切。”

盖尔:任何客观的观察家都会承认,国家社会主义确实提高了工人的社会地位,在某些方面甚至提高了他的生活水平。

里布:这是国家社会主义的伟大成就之一。 由于弗勒的个性,对国家社会主义的过剩行为进行了初步和最终的分析。

古德里安:基本原则很好。

里伯:是的。

因此,在撰写这本传记时,我采用了严格的标准来选择我的原始材料。 我不仅使用了军事记录和档案; 我深入研究了他最亲密的私人员工的当代著作,在写给妻子和朋友的日记和私人信件中寻找真相的线索。 对于我使用过的少数自传体作品,我更喜欢依靠他们的原始手稿而不是印刷文本,因为在战后早期,担心的出版商(尤其是德国的“许可”出版商)对它们进行了巨大的修改——例如在希特勒的仆人卡尔·威廉·克劳斯的回忆录中。 因此,我依赖于希姆莱的情报主管沃尔特·谢伦伯格 (Walter Schellenberg) 的原始手写回忆录,而不是安德烈·多伊奇 (André Deutsch) 随后出版的残缺不全的鬼书版本。

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我什至要警告一些迄今为止被认为是关于希特勒的“标准”来源的作品——尤其是康拉德·海登、Abwehr/OSS 双重间谍汉斯·伯恩德·吉塞维斯、埃里希·科特和希特勒被解雇的副官弗里茨·维德曼的作品。 (后者在 1940 年给朋友的一封私人信件中毫不客气地解释说,“即使夸大其词,甚至是谎言也无济于事。”)卡尔·雅各布·伯克哈特教授在他的回忆录中引用了“日记”, Meine Danziger 任务 1937–1939,无法与希特勒的实际行动相提并论; 而赫尔曼·劳什宁(Hermann Rauschning)的 与希特勒的对话 (苏黎世,1940 年)自从邪恶的宣传家埃默里·雷维斯 (Emre Revész) 连同其他许多寓言一起出版以来,对希特勒政策的分析一直困扰着人们。 前纳粹但泽政治家劳施宁只在几次正式场合会见了希特勒。 直到 1973 年,它才在维也纳重新出版,尽管即使是在其他方面不加批判的西德历史学家 Eberhard Jäckel 教授——他粗心大意地在大量希特勒手稿中包含了 78 个赝品,然后将这种有毒注射剂视为不到 5%总体积! – 在一篇学术文章中强调 Wissenschaft和Unterricht的Geschichte (No. 11, 1977) Rauschning 的卷根本没有可信度。 里夫斯也是早期纳粹历史的另一个著名“资料来源”的出版商,弗里茨·蒂森的“回忆录”, 我付给希特勒 (伦敦,1943年)。 小亨利·阿什比·特纳(Henry Ashby Turner,Jr.)在 时代广场 (No. 3, 1971) 不幸的蒂森甚至从未看过这本书 XNUMX 章中的 XNUMX 章,而其余的都是用法语起草的! 这种虚假卷的清单是无止境的。 已故克里斯塔·施罗德的匿名“回忆录”, 希特勒·普里瓦特 (杜塞尔多夫,1949 年),由法国陆军驻美国第七集团军联络官阿尔伯特·佐勒 (Albert Zoller) 执笔。 马丁·鲍曼 (Martin Bormann) 所谓的希特勒最后一次地堡谈话的笔记,由休·特雷弗·罗珀教授于 1961 年发表为 阿道夫·希特勒的遗嘱 令人遗憾的是,由 Albrecht Knaus Verlag 用德语出版为 希特勒的政治遗嘱:Die Bormann-Diktate (汉堡,1981 年),在我看来是非常虚假的:我拥有部分打印部分手写的原件的副本,这毫无疑问。

然而,历史学家是非常不可救药的,无论其虚假血统被曝光多么令人信服,他们都会引用任何明显的主要来源。 阿尔伯特·斯佩尔的回忆录 在第三帝国内部 1969 年西柏林的 Propyläen 公司出版了这本书后,这本书使他成为了个人财富。这本书为他否认希特勒赢得了广泛的尊重。 然而,一些评论家对美国版与德国原版有很大不同感到困惑 回忆录 和英国版。 1966 年施佩尔从施潘道监狱获释后,我是第一批采访他的作家之一,我从马口中得知了真相。这位前帝国部长花了一个下午的时间向我大声朗读他的回忆录草稿。 后来出版的这本书非常不同,他解释说,是我自己在 Ullstein 出版社的内部编辑 (Annette Engel née Etienne)、他们的主编 Wolf Jobst Siedler 和历史学家 Joachim Fest 撰写的,他是声望很高的 法兰克福汇报“. 艾蒂安小姐证实了这一点。 1979 年 XNUMX 月,当我在法兰克福出版晚宴上私下向斯佩尔提出挑战,要求他出版他的回忆录原著时,他相当渴望地回答说,他希望他能做到:“那是不可能的。 那份手稿与现代的细微差别完全不符。 甚至章节的标题也会造成困难。 勇敢的柏林作家马蒂亚斯·施密特 (Matthias Schmidt) 后来出版了一本书[3]马蒂亚斯·施密特,阿尔伯特·斯佩尔:神话的终结(纽约,1984 年)。 揭露施佩尔的传说和“回忆录”; 但我这个职业的懒惰先生们在他们的图书馆里藏着的是后一卷,而不是施密特的,从而证明了这个导言的开场白是真实的。

斯佩尔在施潘道期间为他办公室的整个战时日记支付了费用,这表明他对历史是诚实的(迪恩斯特尔(Dienststelle)) 重新打字,省略更不幸的段落,并将这些伪造的文件捐赠给科布伦茨的联邦档案馆。 我将 1943 年的卷(保存在英国内阁办公室档案中的原件中)与联邦档案的副本进行了比较,这表明这一点很清楚,马蒂亚斯·施密特(Matthias Schmidt)也揭示了伪造品。 事实上,我对这种“日记”的数量感到震惊,仔细审查证明这些“日记”是伪造或篡改的——总是对希特勒不利。

两个不同的人声称拥有威廉·卡纳里斯中将的全部日记,这位传奇的 Abwehr 首领于 1945 年 XNUMX 月被希特勒绞死。第一个,克劳斯·本辛,制作了“战后德国情报局 (BND) 的文件”和原始文件“由 Canaris 签署”以示支持; 第二,德国高等法院法官法比安·冯·施拉布伦多夫宣布,他的那套日记最近已被弗朗西斯科·佛朗哥将军归还给西德政府。 由 Hehner & Cox Ltd. 的伦敦实验室为我进行的第一个人提供的“Canaris 文件”的纸张和墨水的法医测试证明它们是赝品。 对弗朗哥的采访 厨师长 - 他的姐夫唐·费利佩·波罗·巴尔德斯(Don Felipe Polo Valdes)在马德里处理了德国法官同样不可能的索赔。

同样,电影演员路易斯·特伦克 (Luis Trenker) 出版的伊娃·布劳恩 (Eva Braun) 日记主要是根据伊尔玛·拉里施-沃勒西 (Countess Irma Larisch-Wallersee) 几十年前撰写的回忆录改编的。 慕尼黑法院于 1948 年 1945 月建立了伪造品。XNUMX 年夏天,总部位于斯图加特巴克南的罗伯特 A.古铁雷斯上校的 CIC 团队获得了伊娃布劳恩的真实日记和大量与希特勒的亲密通信; 在乌尔苏拉·格勒夫人代表他们进行了简短的筛选后,这些文件就再也没有人看到过。

我在新墨西哥州拜访了古铁雷斯两次——他随后将 Eva Braun 的婚纱和银餐具(他承认保留了)交给了我的研究员同事 Willi Korte,但他对丢失的文件和日记没有让步。

希姆莱和里宾特洛甫的柏林按摩师费利克斯·克尔斯滕经常被引用的日记同样是虚构的——例如第二十三章(英文版第 165-171 页)中描述的“关于希特勒的 1983 页医学档案”与真正的日记相比显示希特勒的医生西奥·莫雷尔的日记,我在 XNUMX 年发现并出版了。休·特雷弗·罗珀教授在瑞典看到的真正的克尔斯滕日记从未出版过,也许是因为它们对瑞典精英包括出版商阿尔伯特·邦尼尔(Albert Bonnier)的政治炸药,据称向希姆莱提供瑞典每个犹太人的地址,以换取纳粹入侵时的让步。 同样,鲁道夫·塞姆勒 (Rudolf Semler) 在 戈培尔——希特勒身边的人 (伦敦,1947 年)也是虚假的,正如 12 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日的条目所证明的那样; 它有希特勒作为戈培尔在柏林的客人,当时元首实际上仍在他位于德国西部的总部参加突出部战役。

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Galeazzo Ciano 伯爵广泛引用的“日记”中存在太多明显的时代错误:例如 Rodolfo Graziani 元帅在 12 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日的“对隆美尔的抱怨”——整整两个月 before 隆美尔被任命到意大利的北非剧院! 事实上,Ciano 在 1943 年 1943 月被解雇后的几个月里,他自己重写和“改进”了日记,这使得它们可读但对历史目的毫无用处。 里宾特洛甫在他的监狱回忆录中警告过伪造——他声称在 1936 年 42 月看过齐亚诺的真实日记——纳粹翻译尤金·多尔曼在他的回忆录中描述了一名英国军官如何在监狱集中营向他承认欺诈行为。 关于此的 OSS 文件在普林斯顿大学穆德图书馆的 Allen W. Dulles 论文中(不幸的是仍然关闭); 但即使是对手写原作最肤浅的检查也揭示了 Ciano(或其他人)对它们进行篡改和插入材料的程度——然而,最负盛名的历史学家毫无疑问地引用了它们,因为他们拥有 Ciano 所谓的“里斯本论文”,尽管后者也具有后续编辑的所有特征。 (虽然表面上是 XNUMX-XNUMX 年的六年间,但它们都是在同一台打字机上重新打出来的。)

一些日记以相对无害的方式进行了修改:德国空军参谋长卡尔·科勒(Karl Koller)的真实速记日记通常与他出版的版本不相似。 明日之夜 (曼海姆,1949 年)。 赫尔穆斯·格雷纳 (Helmuth Greiner) 在 1943 年之前一直是 OKW 官方作战人员战争日记的保管人,他在 1945 年抓住了这个机会,当时美国人要求他重新转录他为 1942 年 1943 月至 1938 年 1943 月丢失的卷的原始笔记,以删除对像阿道夫·赫辛格 (Adolf Heusinger) 将军这样的囚犯——或者对希特勒过于有利; 毫无疑问,为了讨好美国人,他添加了很长的段落,指责希特勒的战争行为,我发现他的原始手写笔记中缺少这些段落。 这种倾向——在战后鞭挞希特勒——在已故格哈德·恩格尔将军的“日记”中也很明显,他从 1940 年 XNUMX 月到 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月担任陆军副官。仅史学证据——例如,与 XNUMX 年的私人帝国部长弗里茨·托德 (Fritz Todt) 或鲁道夫·施蒙特将军 (Rudolf Schmundt) 的妻子的日记,或斯大林格勒时代陆军元帅冯·曼施泰因 (Manstein) 的唐集团军群的记录——表明无论它们是什么,它们都不是同时代的日记; 对纸张年龄的测试证实了这一点。 遗憾的是,著名的慕尼黑时代史研究所仍然将它们出版成一卷, 希特勒副官 1938–1943 (Stuttgart, 1974),在简短的介绍中相当无力地提请注意“日记”中的不一致之处。

除了休·特雷弗·罗珀(Hugh Trevor Roper)(现为戴克尔勋爵)之外,他的书 希特勒的末日 传记是基于那个时代的记录,因此即使在今天也几乎是无懈可击的,每一位相继的传记作者都重复或接受了他的前辈创造的传说,或者充其量只是查阅了最容易获得的参考作品。 在 1960 年代和 1970 年代,书店里涌现出一波乏味的、重复性的、不显眼的希特勒传记。 最广为宣传的是由德国电视名人和历史学家约阿希姆·费斯特 (Joachim Fest) 撰写的作品。 但他后来告诉一位提问者,他甚至没有参观过华盛顿宏伟的国家档案馆,那里收藏了迄今为止最大的与欧洲近代历史相关的档案。 在风格上,费斯特的德语很好; 但古老的传说被重新演绎,焕发出令人印象深刻的权威光芒。

不久之后,同一家柏林公司也出版了我的希特勒传记,标题是 希特勒与塞纳河; 他们的主编 Siedler 发现我的许多论点令人反感,甚至是危险的,并且在没有通知我的情况下压制甚至推翻了它们。 在 印刷文本 希特勒没有告诉希姆莱(30 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日),从柏林运来的一批犹太人不会被“清算”; 他曾告诉他不要在与他们的灭绝计划有关的公开场合使用“清算”一词。 历史就这样被篡改了! 出于这个和类似的原因,我在这本书在德国出现两天后禁止进一步印刷,并提起诉讼十年,以重新获得以其原始形式出版的权利。 为了解释他们的行为,柏林出版商争辩说,我的手稿表达了一些在他们国家“对既定历史观点的侮辱”。

我那些闲散的前辈们感激地感叹大部分文件都被毁了。 他们没有——他们在令人尴尬的过剩中幸存下来。 戈林的副手德国空军元帅艾哈德·米尔奇的官方文件被英国人抓获,总共超过 60,000 页; 德国海军参谋部的全部战争日记都保存了下来,其价值远远超出了纯粹的海军事务; 在华盛顿阅读了 69 卷(大约 900 多页)的正文,并检查了保存在华盛顿的 3,800 份德国海军记录缩微胶卷记录中最有希望的记录,花了好几个月的时间。 这本书的第一版于 1975 年在柏林出版后,约瑟夫·戈培尔 (Joseph Goebbels) 的更多日记在西方发行。 我有一些疑虑,他们可能会揭示我的一些更危险的假设是空洞的。 (无论是第一卷,还是 1992 年我在莫斯科档案馆中首次利用的失踪的戈培尔日记,以及其余的,都没有提供任何证据证明我是错的。)

许多最重要的来源仍然缺失。 外交历史学家三十年来从未费心去拜访约阿希姆·冯·里宾特洛甫的国务秘书恩斯特·冯·魏茨泽克的遗孀,后来的西德总统的父亲,这对我来说是一个莫名其妙的谜。 如果他们寻找里宾特洛甫与希特勒的联络官瓦尔特·赫维尔的遗孀,他们也会知道他的日记。 那些过度情绪化的犹太悲剧历史学家是谁,在我这样做之前,他们甚至从不费心打开党卫军首领海因里希希姆莱自己手写的电话笔记的现成文件,或者阅读他与他的秘密会议的备忘录阿道夫希特勒? 唉,除了 1935 年和 1939 年的袖珍日记(其中我已将副本捐赠给联邦档案馆)之外,希姆莱的日记基本上已经消失了——部分作为战利品被带到莫斯科,1941-42 年的大部分页面都是最近才出现的被取回,[4]Der Dienstkalender 海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmlers) 1941/42,编辑。 Peter Witte,Uwe Lohalm 和 Wolfgang Scheffler 的前言(汉堡,1999 年)。 对这个版本的评价再高也不为过。 部分迁往以色列特拉维夫; Chaim Rosenthal 是以色列驻纽约领事馆的前任专员,他以最可疑的方式获得了一些希姆莱日记,并于 1982 年将它们捐赠给了特拉维夫大学,但在对罗森塔尔(现在在美国不受欢迎)提出广泛诉讼之后,大学把书还给他。

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其他日记也非常怀念。 1945 年,前盖世太保执行官维尔纳·贝斯特 (Werner Best) 的遗体最后一次出现在哥本哈根的丹麦皇家档案馆; 卡尔沃尔夫的那些最后一次见到是在纽伦堡。 Hans Lammers、Wilhelm Brückner 和 Karl Bodenschatz 的日记消失在美国人或法国人手中; 西奥·莫雷尔教授的那些也消失了,1981 年我在华盛顿出现时奇迹般地出现了(两年后我发表了一份经过编辑的完整抄本)。

Nicolaus von Beyond's 可能在莫斯科。 阿尔弗雷德·罗森伯格 (Alfred Rosenberg) 剩余的未发表日记被已故驻法兰克福的美国律师罗伯特·MW·肯普纳 (Robert MW Kempner) 博士非法持有; 他在宾夕法尼亚州兰斯当 (Lansdowne) 打捞的论文现在成了犹太档案馆与其家人之间不合时宜的争论的对象。 我在 1967 年获得并用缩微胶卷制作了大约 1940 页的米尔奇的其余日记,以及阿尔弗雷德·约德尔将军 1943 年至 11 年的日记都消失了。 1945 年 1945 月,英国第 1945 装甲师在弗伦斯堡将它们连同他的私人财产一起洗劫一空。只有贝尼托·墨索里尼日记的一小部分幸存下来:党卫军复制了原件并于 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月归还给他,但原件和放在 Ribbentrop 文件中的副本现在丢失了。 不幸的是,鲁道夫·施蒙特的重要日记在 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月应他的副副官卡尔·杰斯科·冯·普特卡默 (Karl Jesco von Puttkamer) 的要求和普特卡默自己的日记一起烧毁。 位于加利福尼亚州斯坦福市的胡佛研究所保存着 SS Obergruppenführer Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger 的日记——这是西德历史学家故意忽视的另一个项目。

我对可能揭示希特勒性格的资料的搜索有时是成功的,有时是不成功的。 用质子磁力计(一种超灵敏地雷探测器)在东德的森林中搜索了数周,未能找到一个装有戈培尔最后日记速记图的玻璃罐,尽管有时,根据我手上的地图,我们必须有站在它上面。 然而,在撰写这本传记时,我确实获得了大量真实的、鲜为人知的希特勒身边人的日记,其中包括约德尔日记中未发表的部分; 由他的副官沃尔夫·埃伯哈德 (Wolf Eberhard) 为 OKW 首席执行官威廉·凯特尔 (Wilhelm Keitel) 保存的官方日记,以及埃伯哈德 (Eberhard) 自己 1936 年至 1939 年的日记; 尼古拉斯·冯·沃尔曼 (Nikolaus von Vormann) 的日记,他是 1939 年 XNUMX 月和 XNUMX 月期间与希特勒的军队联络官; 马丁·鲍曼和希特勒的私人副官马克斯·温舍保存的有关希特勒运动的日记。

此外,我还使用了 Fedor von Bock、Erhard Milch、Erich von Manstein、Wilhelm Leeb、Erwin Lahousen 和 Eduard Wagner 未出版的日记——他们的遗孀允许我复制大约两千页的私人信件。 Christa Schroeder 是希特勒的一位私人秘书,她专门向我提供了她在当代的重要论文。 Julius Schaub 的家人让我抄录他所有关于他担任希特勒高级助手 XNUMX 年的手稿,威廉·布鲁克纳 (Wilhelm Brückner) 的儿子也是如此。

我是第一个使用 Staatssekretär Herbert Backe 和他的部长 Richard Walter Darré 的私人文件以及 Fritz Todt 的日记、笔记本和文件的传记作者。 英国政府好心地向我提供了卡纳利斯海军上将日记的珍贵片段。 在德国和美国,我找到了埃尔温·隆美尔日记的速记和打字页,以及帝国元帅赫尔曼·戈林从孩提时代起就保存的难以捉摸的日记和笔记本。

在这本传记中使用的最具启发性的文件是 Generaloberst(上校)Werner Freiherr von Fritsch 在 1938 年和 1939 年撰写的手稿; 这些是我从苏联来源获得的。 Jutta Freifrau von Richthofen 允许我查阅她丈夫、已故陆军元帅的大量未发表的日记。

简而言之,我找到的希特勒手下或最高统帅部的每一位成员似乎都小心翼翼地囤积了日记或文件,这些日记或文件最终是为了我在这里的剥削而制作的。 他们大多是德语,但我的工作边缘的研究论文是其他语言的通天塔:意大利语、俄语、法语、西班牙语、匈牙利语、罗马尼亚语和捷克语。 Hewel 日记中对希特勒和里宾特洛甫的一些隐晦的引用无视我所有微不足道的密码破解努力,然后证明是用印度尼西亚语写的!

所有这些记录我现在都捐赠给了慕尼黑当代历史研究所,在那里它们可以作为作者的收藏品提供给其他作家。 第二次世界大战的研究人员将找到我在研究这本书和其他书籍时收集的所有材料的缩微胶卷,可从 Microform Academic Publishers Ltd., Main Street, East Ardsley, Wakefield, Yorkshire, WF3 2AT, England 获得(电子邮件: [电子邮件保护]; 电话 +44 1924–825 700,传真 1924–871 005)。

 

在现有的记录集合中,有四项值得注意——前身为伦敦基尤公共记录办公室 WO208 类中的绝密 CSDIC 系列审讯报告; 党卫军和德国警察部队的编码无线电信息,在布莱切利公园被英国人截获和解码,现在与 HW1、HW3 和 HW16 级存档在同一位置; 新泽西州普林斯顿大学 Seeley G. Mudd 图书馆的三个文件箱中的“阿道夫希特勒收藏”; 约阿希姆·冯·里宾特洛甫 (Joachim von Ribbentrop) 1933-36 年写给希特勒的部长前部长信件和备忘录的大约 XNUMX 页,在帝国总理府的废墟中发现,现在在加利福尼亚州斯坦福市胡佛研究所档案馆的路易斯·洛克纳 (Louis Lochner) 文件中。

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“希特勒收藏”被美国陆军战争罪行分部的二等兵埃里克·哈姆从希特勒位于慕尼黑的住所偷走,最终被芝加哥一家拍卖行出售。 它很好地反映了希特勒的职业生涯——他的素描和绘画的存档照片、大使的信件、关于在“抗拒逮捕”时射杀“职业罪犯”的报道、希特勒填写的 1925 年酒店登记(他将自己输入为“无国籍”) ,关于西班牙内战的文件,罗姆为 1923 年啤酒馆政变做的准备,马丁·鲍曼的指示,希特勒同意支付游走的霍恩洛厄公主的账单,但不会支付更多关于党与政府关系的大量文件教会; 20 年 1940 月 24 日,皮埃尔·拉瓦尔写信给希特勒“发自内心地希望我的国家不会受苦”,并向他保证:“绝大多数法国人都支持与德国的合作政策”。 Hjalmar Schacht 多次向希特勒抗议反犹太人的限制造成的经济损失; 1935 年 30 月 1936 日,他写道,罗伯特·莱伊 (Robert Ley) 指示伍尔沃斯公司 (Woolworth & Co.) 不得从犹太供应商处采购,这将导致该公司总部每年取消来自德国的 XNUMX 万马克订单:“我不清楚,而且从来没有,面对这样的政策,我应该如何引入外币。 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日,沙赫特要求希特勒接待一位美国丝绸制造商,他应罗斯福总统的要求“向元首转达个人问候”。

20 年 1938 月 XNUMX 日,柏林警察局长赫尔多夫伯爵向希特勒发送了一份关于有组织的反犹太人的报告。 拉齐亚斯 在柏林。 那年晚些时候,警方向希特勒发送了一份关于犹太刺客 Herschel Grynszpan 的文件,证实他的父母已于 29 月 1939 日在他在巴黎枪杀一名德国外交官的前几天被扔回波兰边境的 Neu Bentschen。到帝国对在德国定居的波兰犹太人的打击。 2 年 1939 月,希特勒支持他在华盛顿的大使馆拒绝向库尔特·吕德克支付达内格尔德,库尔特·吕德克曾邀请党的出版社或其他帝国机构购买他的淫秽回忆录的所有权利,以阻止其出版。 同一份文件显示希特勒采取行动阻止纳粹重量级人物马克斯·施梅林与黑人乔·路易斯进行回击。 (“如你所知,”朱利叶斯·绍布于 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日写信给体育部长,“元首一开始就反对这场斗争。”)

这些文件中最神秘的显然是盖世太保在 1940 年之后在特殊的“元首打字机”上打字,报告了有关希特勒血统的丑陋谣言——“元首是一个私生子,阿洛伊斯的养子,元首母亲的名字是 Schicklgruber[5]事实上,希特勒的 父亲 是玛丽亚安娜Schicklgruber的私生子。 纳粹报纸一再被禁止,例如在 16 年 1939 月 XNUMX 日,禁止推测他的祖先。 Werner Maser 在 国家安全发展党的法律史册 (波恩,1965 年),4 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日,海因里希·希姆莱指示盖世太保调查元首的出身; 他们平淡无奇的发现仅仅被评为 geheim(秘密)。 然而,上面引用的文件带有最高级别的标记, 秘密帝国事业. 在采用之前,Schicklgruber 生产线已经产生了一连串的白痴。

后者中有一位税务官员 Joseph Veit,他于 1904 年在奥地利克拉根福去世。 他的一个儿子自杀了,一个女儿死在了精神病院,一个幸存的女儿半疯了,第三个女儿很虚弱。 盖世太保确定格拉茨的康拉德·普拉赫 (Konrad Pracher) 的家人有一份关于这一切的照片和证书档案。 希姆莱让他们扣押“以防止滥用”。

里宾特洛甫档案反映了他作为“杰出大使”与希特勒及其对手的曲折关系。 他通过与有影响力的英国人建立良好的接触来建立自己的影响力——其中不仅包括像 EWD Tennant 这样的实业家和像罗瑟米尔勋爵、阿斯特勋爵和卡姆罗斯勋爵这样的报业大亨,而且还包括当时的内阁部长,包括海尔沙姆勋爵、勋爵劳埃德、伦敦德里勋爵和年轻的安东尼·伊登,里宾特洛甫在他们身上看到了保守党的后起之秀。 这些文件包含里宾特洛甫在 1933 年和 1934 年与斯坦利鲍德温和拉姆齐麦克唐纳会面的记录。它们还反映了奥斯瓦尔德莫斯利爵士及其副手与柏林纳粹党领导层之间建立的脆弱联系。

里宾特洛甫写给希特勒的许多手写信中的典型是一封日期为 6 年 1935 月 XNUMX 日的信,感谢他对 Reichsleiter 的新任命表现出的信心——“这不仅清楚地定义了我在党内的地位,消除了任何怀疑,因为你对我和我的活动的看法,但这次任命也让我在外交部的外部和内部有了不同的立场。 他在上面签了名“你值得信赖的里宾特洛甫”。

 

当这本传记首次出版时,没有任何事情像我对希特勒在犹太悲剧中的角色的分析那样造成如此痛苦。 我的批评者笔下的尖酸刻薄,但我认为没有理由修改我的中心假设,该假设基于 记录 当天:希特勒很早就意识到反犹太主义将成为德国强大的选票力量; 1933 年,他骑着那匹邪恶的骏马直奔总理府门口,他毫不后悔; 但是,一旦上台并掌权,他就下马,只对他党的那部分信条进行口头承诺。

然而,即使希特勒有不同的指示,例如 1938 年 XNUMX 月,在他手下的纳粹匪徒仍然骑着猎犬。

至于集中营,他轻松地将纳粹统治的阴暗面留给了希姆莱。 他从未拜访过一个; 那些确实获得进入达豪的特权的高级官员和外国人,如恩斯特·乌德特 (Ernst Udet) 或艾哈德·米尔奇将军 (Erhard Milch) 或 1933 年和 1934 年的英国国会议员,都留下了良好的印象(但那是早期的事情)。 众所周知,希姆莱曾在 1941 年和 1942 年访问过奥斯威辛集中营。希特勒从未去过。

希特勒的前任总理海因里希·布吕​​宁博士在一份未发表的手稿中揭示了德国犹太人问题的严重程度。 他在 1943 年流亡美国时写道,在通货膨胀之后,只有一家德国大银行不受犹太人控制,其中一些“完全腐败”。 1931 年,他将银行置于政府监管之下,并不得不将政府对银行不诚实行为的调查结果保密,“以免引发反犹暴动”。 布吕宁指责外国记者夸大了纳粹政权初期“对犹太人的偶尔虐待”:

1933 年春天,外国记者报道说,施普雷河[在柏林]布满了被谋杀的犹太人的尸体。 当时,除了共产党领导人之外,几乎没有任何犹太人……受到攻击……。 如果说,”他尖锐地补充说,“犹太人从政权开始就受到如此恶劣的对待,那么在 1938 年之前很少有人离开这个国家就无法解释了。”

1948 年,布吕宁写信给《 生活 禁止他们发表他在 1937 年 1928 月写给温斯顿·丘吉尔的一封信,其中透露“从 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月起,纳粹党的两个最大的定期捐助者是柏林最大的两家银行的总经理,他们都信仰犹太教,其中一个是德国犹太复国主义的领袖。[6]布吕宁 1943 年的手稿在纽约雪城大学乔治·阿伦茨研究图书馆的多萝西·汤普森收藏中。 他给丹尼尔·朗威尔的信,编辑 生活7年1948月XNUMX日发表于Longwell在纽约哥伦比亚大学巴特勒图书馆的论文中。

 

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我曾从 1960 年代盛行的传统观点看待纳粹对犹太人的虐待。 假设希特勒是一位能干的政治家和一位有天赋的指挥官,争论不断,人们如何解释他“谋杀六百万犹太人”? 如果这本书只是一部关于希特勒帝国兴衰的历史,那么得出这样的结论是合情合理的:“希特勒杀死了犹太人”。 毕竟,他在 1930 年代的演讲中制造了仇恨的气氛; 他和希姆莱创建了党卫军; 他的演讲虽然从不明确,但给人的印象是“清算”就是他的意思。

对于希特勒的完整战争传记,我觉得有必要对关键问题采取更具分析性的方法。 值得注意的是,我发现希特勒自己在“最终解决方案”中的角色从未被审查过。 德国历史学家,否则是艰苦散文的缩影,当希特勒本人突然出现时,他们已经形成了巨大的盲点:在没有任何证据支持的情况下发表了空洞的陈述。 英国和美国的历史学家心甘情愿地服从。 其他人引用了他们的话。 三十年来,我们对希特勒在暴行中所扮演的角色的了解一直依赖于历史学家之间的乱伦。

许多人,特别是在德国和奥地利,有兴趣宣传一个疯子的命令引发了整个悲剧的版本。 诚然,正是在发出此命令时,它仍然含糊其辞。

从 1923 年的啤酒馆政变(据称,当时他因抢劫犹太熟食店而对纳粹分队中尉进行纪律处分)到 1943 年和 1944 年,实际上将希特勒与对待德国犹太人的待遇联系起来的每一份文件都采取了禁运的形式。发现戈培尔的日记,我们发现希特勒在 1935 年 1938 月向高莱特人讲课,“最重要的是”对犹太人没有过分的行为,也没有对“非雅利安人”的迫害。 戈培尔试图说服他放弃这种温和的路线,但指出:“即使现在犹太人问题也没有解决。 我们讨论了很长时间,但元首仍然无法下定决心。 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月的碎玻璃之夜,希特勒的副手鲁道夫·赫斯 (Rudolf Hess) 发布了“要求所有 Gau 首长立即采取行动”的法令,下令立即停止纵火袭击犹太人的房屋,“根据来自德国的命令”,我们该怎么做?最高水平'? 其他所有历史学家都闭上了眼睛,希望这份可怕的、不方便的文件能以某种方式消失。

其他人也加入了它,例如 1942 年春天,帝国司法部的 Staatssekretär Franz Schlegelberger 口述的特别说明:“帝国部长拉默斯”,这说,“告诉我元首一再宣布他想要犹太人问题的解决推迟到战争结束后。 无论以何种方式阅读这份文件,它都与希特勒下令实施紧急清算计划的想法不符。 (该文件的原件在科布伦茨档案馆的司法部文件 R22/52 中。)戈林本人在 6 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日的柏林会议上曾强调,希特勒是多么反对骚扰犹太科学家,例如:

我现在已经和元首本人讨论过这个问题; 我们能够在维也纳多使用一个犹太人两年,另一个用于摄影研究,因为他们有我们需要的某些东西,而这些东西目前对我们来说可能是最大的好处。

我们现在说:‘他将不得不离开,那将是非常疯狂的。 他是一个了不起的研究员,一个了不起的大脑,但他的妻子是犹太人,不能让他留在大学,'等等。

元首在艺术上也有类似的例外,一直到轻歌剧级别。 他更有可能在真正伟大的项目或研究人员方面破例。[7]新成立的帝国研究委员会第一次会议,6 年 1942 月 58 日; 速记记录在 Milch 文件,第一卷。 3640,第 XNUMX 页。

当然,从 1939 年起,希特勒就在公开场合发表了几句严厉的言论; 但在 1942 年和 1943 年,他多次私下发表声明,这与他知道全面清算计划已经开始的想法不符。 1943 年 1944 月,即使希姆莱向党卫军将军和卫兵的特权听众披露欧洲犹太人已被系统地谋杀,希特勒仍然禁止清算——例如,对罗马的意大利犹太人——并下令将他们拘留。 (他的党卫军也没有服从这一命令。) XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月,他不顾希姆莱的反对,下令用犹太人换取外币或物资; 有证据表明,像当代恐怖分子一样,他将这些俘虏视为一种潜在资产,一种可以勒索敌人的手段。 完全符合他的性格,当希特勒面对事实时,他没有采取任何行动来斥责有罪的人; 直到他生命的最后一天,他才会将希姆莱视为纳粹党卫军。 将过度依赖强大顾问的国家元首的一个常见特征归咎于他是合理的:一种有意识的“不知道”的愿望。 然而,对此的证明超出了历史学家的能力。

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由于缺乏确凿的证据——在 1977 年,我向任何能拿出一份甚至一份明确表明希特勒知道奥斯威辛集中营的战时文件的人提供一千英镑——我的批评者诉诸于从微妙到大锤的论点(在一种情况下,字面意思)。 他们假设元首命令的存在,而没有丝毫书面证据证明它们的存在。 在美国出版的希特勒传记的普利策奖获得者约翰·托兰德 (John Toland) 在情感上呼吁 明镜 让历史学家反驳我的假设,他们以公平的手段和犯规的方式尝试。 希姆莱关于 30 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日在希特勒的掩体中与海德里希的电话交谈的手写便条感到困惑——“逮捕 [of] Jekelius 博士。 据称是儿子莫洛托夫。 寄售 [运输方式] 来自柏林的犹太人。 没有清算。 ——这些现代历史的巫师嘲笑说,莫洛托夫的儿子可能被认为是从柏林来的一列犹太人的火车上,他们被隐瞒为“博士”。 Jekelius' 并且绝不会被清算。 事实上,莫洛托夫没有儿子; Jekelius 博士可能是参与安乐死计划的维也纳神经学家 Erwin Jekelius;[8]参见本诺·穆勒·希尔, Tödliche Wissenschaft。 Die Aussonderung von Juden, Zigeunern 和 Geisteskranken 1933-45 (Rowohlt, 汉堡), p. 107. 编辑部 Der Dienstkalender 海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmlers),1941/42 (Christians Verlag,Hamburg,1999),第 207 页,后来得出了同样的结论。 – 我们复制了第 455 页的相关文件。 那天早上,从柏林来的一列犹太人抵达里加,当希姆莱草草写下似乎显然是希特勒的禁令时,当地党卫军指挥官已经清场了。[9]见第 455 页。关于 1941 年 1158 月在里加掠夺和有条不紊地屠杀这些犹太人的最令人毛骨悚然的描述是 CSDIC(英国)报告 srgg.208(在公共记录办公室的文件 wo.4169/54 中): 25 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日,现年 XNUMX 岁的目击者沃尔特·布伦斯少将向在德国战俘营中被英国囚禁的将军们描述了这件事,他不知道隐藏的麦克风正在记录每一个字。 特别重要的是:他对将他所看到的东西提请元首注意的疑虑,以及后者下令立即停止此类公开屠杀的命令。 经 HM 文具办公室许可,我将很快出版一卷这些极具启发性的 CSDIC 成绩单。 除非希特勒本人是幕后黑手,否则为什么还要“从地堡”与海德里希通电话呢?

到目前为止,墨守成规的历史学家一直无法帮助托兰德先生,除了暗示该项目是如此秘密以至于只能发布口头命令。 然而,为什么希特勒在这种情况下会变得如此娇气,而他对签署一项清除数万德国同胞的全面命令(菲利普·布勒的 T-4 安乐死计划)毫不犹豫? 他坚持以一百比一的比例处决人质,他下令清除敌方囚犯(突击队命令)、盟军飞行员(林奇命令)和俄罗斯工作人员(政委命令)都被记录在案。从元首总部一直到刽子手。

我的大多数批评者都依赖于薄弱和不专业的证据。 例如,他们在希特勒的演讲中提供了另类的、通常是似是而非的翻译(显然,最终解决方案太秘密了,他无法签署命令,但同时又不是太秘密,以至于他不能在公开演讲中吹嘘); 以及长期以来被严肃的历史学家认为毫无价值或虚假的孤立文件的引述,例如格斯坦报告[10]参见亨利·罗克斯 (Henri Roques) 的论文:库尔特·格斯坦 (Henri Roques) 的“忏悔”。 1985 年 372 月在法国南特大学提交的《比较不同版本的练习曲》。这揭示了循规蹈矩的历史学家被各种版本的“报告”所欺骗的程度。 这引起了罗克斯被剥夺博士学位的强烈抗议。 我确保他的 XNUMX 页论文可以在慕尼黑当代历史研究所的作者收藏中免费获得。 或前面提到的“地堡对话”。

在明确的、书面的、战时的证据中,那种可以绞死一个人的证据,他们没有出过一句话。 因此,在他对 希特勒和最终解决方案 (伦敦,1983 年)Gerald Fleming 教授依赖战争罪审判证词,这些证词绝不是安全的; 回顾那本书,戈登·克雷格教授得出结论,即使是弗莱明也未能反驳我的假设。 慕尼黑现代历史研究所所长 Martin Broszat 教授在研究所期刊的 37 页评论中粗暴地抨击了我的传记,然后拒绝回复。 由于不熟悉我的消息来源,并且不知道我在几个案例中使用了他和其他历史学家只阅读过英文翻译的原始文件,他指责我歪曲甚至编造引文。[11]“希特勒和最终解决方案的起源,对大卫欧文论文的评估​​,” 时代广场,第 25 期,1977 年,第 739-75 页; 未经更正重新发布 第三帝国的各个方面 (ed. HW Koch, Macmillan, New York, 1985) pp. 390–429, and in Yad Vashem研究, No. 13, 1979, pp. 73–125 纳赫希特勒: der schwierige Umgang mit unserer Geschichte (奥尔登堡,1988 年); 并被 Charles W. Sydnor 在“The Selling of Adolf Hitler”中广泛引用, 中欧历史, No. 12, 1979, pp. 169–99, 402–5。 然而,在这种很容易说出的诽谤和诽谤中,布罗萨特被迫承认:“大卫欧文在他写道,在他看来,杀害犹太人在某种程度上是正确的时,他正确地理解了一件事。 自律,“摆脱尴尬困境的出路。”'

Broszat 的推论,即所发生的事情没有中央希特勒命令,这在世界历史学家中引起了轩然大波,这是一种在政治上不仅限于左派与右派的历史学家。 我自己的结论更进了一个合乎逻辑的阶段:在战时,独裁政权从根本上是软弱的——独裁者本人无论多么警觉,都无法监督在其遥远帝国范围内行事的高管的所有职能; 在这个特殊的案例中,我得出结论,对犹太人血腥无意识的屠杀负有罪责的重担落在了大量德国人(和非德国人)身上,其中许多人今天还活着,而不仅仅是一个“疯狂的独裁者”, ’必须毫无疑问地服从他的命令。

 

我还发现有必要对希特勒所执行的教条式外交政策设置非常不同的历史口音——从他在 1940 年跪倒在地时明显不愿羞辱英国,到他对塞尔维亚人的破坏性和情感仇恨,以及他不合逻辑和过度忠诚的钦佩贝尼托·墨索里尼(Benito Mussolini),以及他对约瑟夫·斯大林(Joseph Stalin)的非理性混合情绪。

作为一名现代英国历史学家,我有一种病态的迷恋,询问阿道夫·希特勒在多大程度上致力于摧毁不列颠及其帝国——一个主要的 存在的理由 1940 年,这场战争在不知不觉中取代了 1939 年 1940 月提出的更令人难以置信的理由,即从外部压迫中拯救波兰。 因为在接下来的章节中,一再从最亲密的来源中提取的证据——比如希特勒在 1940 年 XNUMX 月与他的女秘书的私人谈话——表明他最初既没有意图也没有想要伤害英国或摧毁帝国,当然是英国读者至少必须问问自己:那么,我们真正为的是什么而奋斗? 鉴于英国人民自己破产(到 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月)并在击败希特勒的过程中失去了他们的帝国,当元首指出英国的态度基本上是“阿普雷斯莫伊德吕赫 ——如果我们能摆脱令人讨厌的国家社会主义德国吗?

没有意识形态理想主义的负担,温莎公爵在 1940 年 1939 月怀疑,战争仍在继续,仅仅是为了让某些英国政治家(他指的是丘吉尔先生和他的朋友)挽回面子,即使这意味着将他们的国家和帝国拖入金融破产。 其他人务实地认为,与阿道夫·希特勒和纳粹不可能妥协。 然而,英国领导人真的相信这一点吗? 弗莱堡大学的伯恩德·马丁博士透露了 1940 年 XNUMX 月及之后很久英国和德国之间关于和平的秘密谈判持续的程度——奇怪的是,谈判中丘吉尔先生的档案一直被正式封存到 XNUMX 世纪,并且内阁记录被抹去。 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月进行了类似的谈判,当时即使是丘吉尔先生也表示他愿意在内阁会议上暂时与希特勒打交道,如果价格合适的话。

当然,在评估此类谈判的真正价值和希特勒公开声明的意图时,知道他在 2 年 1941 月 1940 日向瓦尔特·赫维尔承认是有益的:“就我个人而言,我永远不会说谎; 但我不会为了德国的缘故犯下任何谎言! 然而,有人想知道,如果双方继续谈判,可能会避免多少痛苦——XNUMX 年之后发生的一切,饱和爆炸、人口流动、流行病,甚至大屠杀本身,都可以避免吗? 问题很大,但现代史学选择忽略这种可能性,称其为异端。

这里揭示的有关希特勒记录在案的行为、动机和观点的事实应该为新的辩论提供基础。 美国人会发现珍珠港事件前几个月的许多新鲜事。 法国人会发现更多的证据表明希特勒对待他们战败国的方式更多地受到第一次世界大战后法国对待德国的记忆的影响,而不是他对墨索里尼愿望的尊重。 如果斯大林在 1940 年 28 月接受了希特勒提出的加入轴心国协定的提议,俄罗斯人可以尝试想象一下可能会出现的前景; 或者,如果斯大林达成了他的“第二次布列斯特立陶夫斯克”和平条约(如 1941 年 1944 月 XNUMX 日暂时提出的那样),接受了希特勒的条件,即他只在乌拉尔以外重建苏联军事力量; 或者希特勒是否认真对待斯大林所谓的 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月和平提议。

这二十年在档案中的辛劳结果是什么? 希特勒将永远是一个谜,无论我们多么努力地挖掘。 甚至他的密友也意识到他们几乎不认识他。 我已经引用了里宾特洛甫的困惑; 但他最亲密的战略顾问阿尔弗雷德·约德尔将军也在 10 年 1946 月 XNUMX 日在他的纽伦堡牢房中写道:

然后我问自己,你真的认识这个人,你在他身边过着如此艰难而苦行的生活吗? 他是否也只是对你的理想主义嗤之以鼻,将其滥用于他一直隐藏在自己内心深处的黑暗目的? 如果一个人没有向你敞开心扉——无论是在悲伤中还是在狂喜中,你还敢声称了解他吗? 直到今天,我都不知道他的想法、知道或真正想要什么。 我只知道我自己的想法和怀疑。 如果,现在裹尸布从我们深切希望是一件艺术品的雕塑上掉下来,只露出一个堕落的石像鬼——那么让未来的历史学家们自己争论它是从一开始就这样,还是随着情况。

我一直在犯同样的错误:我责怪他卑微的出身。 然而,我记得有多少农民的儿子被历史赐予了伟大的名字。

“希特勒大帝”? 不,当代历史不太可能吞下这样的绰号。 从 30 年 1933 月 XNUMX 日“夺取政权”的第一天起,希特勒就知道,如果他不能在凡尔赛之后的德国恢复骄傲和帝国,那么等待他的只有猝死。 他的密友兼副官朱利叶斯·绍布 (Julius Schaub) 记录了当晚最后一位庆祝宾客离开柏林总理府大楼时希特勒对他的工作人员兴高采烈的吹嘘:“地球上没有任何力量可以让我活着离开这座大楼!”

历史见证了这个预言的实现,30 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日,少数剩余的纳粹党信徒不安地涌入他的地下书房,调查他仍然温暖的遗体——无精打采地躺在沙发上,血液从下垂的下颚滴落,还有枪伤在右边的太阳穴里——闻了闻空气中飘散的苦杏仁味。

他裹在灰色军用毯子里,被抬到炮弹炸毁的大臣花园。 汽油倒在一个臭气熏天的火山口里,然后被点燃,而他的工作人员则匆匆行礼并退回到避难所。 希特勒六年的战争就这样结束了。

我们现在将看到它们是如何开始的。

大卫欧文
伦敦,1976 年 1989 月和 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月

千禧年版注意事项

千禧年版 希特勒的战争 自 1991 年版本出版以来,主要是在美国和前苏联档案中发现的最新文件,使叙述与时俱进。 1992 年,我是莫斯科当局允许使用约瑟夫·戈培尔博士的缩微日记的第一作者,其中包含有关希特勒在罗姆大清洗、1938 年水晶之夜、最终解决方案和其他重大问题中所扮演角色的更多重要信息。历史重要性。 我从加利福尼亚的消息人士那里获得了盖世太保对鲁道夫赫斯的工作人员的原始审讯,这是在他飞往苏格兰后的头几天进行的。 英国特勤局现已向公众发布了对希姆莱和其他党卫军指挥官以代码形式发送的绝密信息的拦截。

这些只是编织到这个故事结构中的新材料的几个例子。 我很高兴地说,我不必像最初表达的那样修改我的观点:我一直相信,如果坚持原始文件,人们就不会偏离真实历史。 然而,新的档案材料使我有可能完善叙述,并升级我以前断言的文献基础。

大卫欧文
伦敦,1月12,2002

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大卫欧文是皇家海军指挥官的儿子。 他在伦敦帝国理工学院和大学学院接受了不完美的教育,随后在德国的一家钢铁厂工作了一年,并提高了他的语言流利程度。 在他的三十本书(包括三本德文)中,最著名的包括 希特勒的战争 ; 狐狸的踪迹:陆军元帅隆美尔的生平; 事故,西科尔斯基将军之死 ; 德国空军的兴衰 ; 戈林:传记 纽伦堡,最后一战 . 他翻译了其他作者的多部作品,包括威廉·凯特尔元帅、莱因哈德·盖伦将军和妮基·劳达的自传。 他住在伦敦格罗夫纳广场附近,养育了五个女儿。

1963年,他出版了《德累斯顿的毁灭》 . 这成为许多国家的畅销书。 1996年,他发布了修订版, 启示录1945,以及他的重要传记, 戈培尔。 第三帝国的主谋 . 第二卷 丘吉尔的战争 出现在 2001 年,他现在正在完成第三个。 他的作品可以在他的互联网网站上免费下载 www.fpp.co.uk/books。

说明

[1] 现在可以在乔治华盛顿大学网站上查看中央情报局关于计划暗杀和暗杀技术的文件,网址为 www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv。

[2] CSDIC(英国)报告 SRGG.1133,9 年 1945 月 208 日,伦敦公共记录办公室,文件 WO.4169/XNUMX。

[3] 马蒂亚斯·施密特,阿尔伯特·斯佩尔:神话的终结(纽约,1984 年)。

[4] Der Dienstkalender 海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmlers) 1941/42,编辑。 Peter Witte,Uwe Lohalm 和 Wolfgang Scheffler 的前言(汉堡,1999 年)。 对这个版本的评价再高也不为过。

[5] 事实上,希特勒的 父亲 是玛丽亚安娜Schicklgruber的私生子。 纳粹报纸一再被禁止,例如在 16 年 1939 月 XNUMX 日,禁止推测他的祖先。 Werner Maser 在 国家安全发展党的法律史册 (波恩,1965 年),4 年 1942 月 XNUMX 日,海因里希·希姆莱指示盖世太保调查元首的出身; 他们平淡无奇的发现仅仅被评为 geheim(秘密)。 然而,上面引用的文件带有最高级别的标记, 秘密帝国事业.

[6] 布吕宁 1943 年的手稿在纽约雪城大学乔治·阿伦茨研究图书馆的多萝西·汤普森收藏中。 他给丹尼尔·朗威尔的信,编辑 生活7年1948月XNUMX日发表于Longwell在纽约哥伦比亚大学巴特勒图书馆的论文中。

[7] 新成立的帝国研究委员会第一次会议,6 年 1942 月 58 日; 速记记录在 Milch 文件,第一卷。 3640,第 XNUMX 页。

[8] 参见本诺·穆勒·希尔, Tödliche Wissenschaft。 Die Aussonderung von Juden, Zigeunern 和 Geisteskranken 1933-45 (Rowohlt, 汉堡), p. 107. 编辑部 Der Dienstkalender 海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmlers),1941/42 (Christians Verlag,Hamburg,1999),第 207 页,后来得出了同样的结论。 – 我们复制了第 455 页的相关文件。

[9] 见第 455 页。关于 1941 年 1158 月在里加掠夺和有条不紊地屠杀这些犹太人的最令人毛骨悚然的描述是 CSDIC(英国)报告 srgg.208(在公共记录办公室的文件 wo.4169/54 中): 25 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日,现年 XNUMX 岁的目击者沃尔特·布伦斯少将向在德国战俘营中被英国囚禁的将军们描述了这件事,他不知道隐藏的麦克风正在记录每一个字。 特别重要的是:他对将他所看到的东西提请元首注意的疑虑,以及后者下令立即停止此类公开屠杀的命令。 经 HM 文具办公室许可,我将很快出版一卷这些极具启发性的 CSDIC 成绩单。

[10] 参见亨利·罗克斯 (Henri Roques) 的论文:库尔特·格斯坦 (Henri Roques) 的“忏悔”。 1985 年 372 月在法国南特大学提交的《比较不同版本的练习曲》。这揭示了循规蹈矩的历史学家被各种版本的“报告”所欺骗的程度。 这引起了罗克斯被剥夺博士学位的强烈抗议。 我确保他的 XNUMX 页论文可以在慕尼黑当代历史研究所的作者收藏中免费获得。

[11] “希特勒和最终解决方案的起源,对大卫欧文论文的评估​​,” 时代广场,第 25 期,1977 年,第 739-75 页; 未经更正重新发布 第三帝国的各个方面 (ed. HW Koch, Macmillan, New York, 1985) pp. 390–429, and in Yad Vashem研究, No. 13, 1979, pp. 73–125 纳赫希特勒: der schwierige Umgang mit unserer Geschichte (奥尔登堡,1988 年); 并被 Charles W. Sydnor 在“The Selling of Adolf Hitler”中广泛引用, 中欧历史, No. 12, 1979, pp. 169–99, 402–5。

 
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  1. Being a modern English historian there was a certain morbid fascination for me in inquiring how far Adolf Hitler really was bent on the destruction of Britain and her Empire – a major raison d’être for our ruinous fight, which in 1940 imperceptibly replaced the more implausible reason proffered in August 1939, the rescue of Poland from outside oppression

    How ruinous was Britain’s fight?

    Britain suffered 382,600 military deaths plus 67,199 civilian casualties. Horrific indeed, but compared with the losses suffered by Germany and Russia, quite trivial.

    It is true that after the war, Britain was no longer a great power. But Britain’s prewar great power status was fast waning for the obvious reason that Britain was a small country which no longer retained its industrial head-start on the rest of the world. Britain’s decline in power and influence was thus inevitable, war or no war. The question was, would Britain succumb to the tyranny of a resurgent Germany, or the tyranny of a resurgent Russia, or was there another option. British diplomacy contributed to the confrontation of Russia and Germany, with, for Britain and the rest of Western Europe, the fortunate consequence that these tyrannies inflicted a terrible toll upon one another.

    Inevitably, however, one or other of those antagonists would be the victor, so the critical question for Britain was how to restrain whichever tyranny emerged on top. This restraint the United States provided, preventing the Soviets from rolling to the Atlantic shore, as they surely would have had United States forces not been in place to prevent them. As a result, Britain became, in effect, a US vassal, a status much to be preferred, so most Britons would surely have agreed, than that of a colony of either Hitler’s Reich or Stalin’s Soviet Union.

    • 回复: @Moi
    , @Rurik
  2. Anon[425]• 免责声明 说:

    David Irving is a sad case.

    He started out as a serious historian but ruined his reputation with needless provocations and mindless apologies for Hitler, blaming everything on his henchmen. At some point, he began to willfully court controversy just to trigger people. And willfully appeal to neo-Nazi nutjobs.

    A huge waste of real talent.

    • 同意: Momus
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Tyrion 2
    , @Lot
    , @Harbinger
  3. I hardly read the article, reading hundreds of books in a period of over ten years gradually made me realise that mainstream history is mainly nonsense.
    FDR, Churchill and Stalin wanted war, Hitler did not want war.
    Unless someone again wants me to specify the most convincing books, less than ten, from which I reached this conclusion, I’m taking the trouble to specify them again.
    And about ‘real’ historians, hardly anyone, in my opinion, who is or was objective.

  4. As much as I was facinated by this book it totally ignores anything east of the Oder river.
    For me it is the typical glass half empty.

  5. mark green 说:

    It’s hard not to be impressed with the tenacious, rigorous and unbridaled scholarship of David Irving. I saw Irving give a speech once in Wash. DC along with the brilliant (and marginalized) Joseph Sobran. Later, I caught Irving in Orange County at Mark Weber’s Institute of Historical Review. Agree with him or not, Irving has done his homework.

    My first introduction to Irving’s ‘unacceptable’ scholarship however came in San Francisco back in the early 80’s. David Irving was slated to give a lecture at Berkeley one night but just as his presentation began, he was set upon by a hateful group of ‘Leftists’ calling themselves the Spartacus League.

    For the sin of ‘humanizing’ Adolf Hitler, this un-merry band of crypto-Israelis physically attacked David Irving in the auditorium at Berkeley and successfully shut down his speech before it commenced. Free speech denied. Zionist victory!

    Censorship is a key objective of ‘anti-fascist’ activists here in the Land of the Free. Thou shalt not speak. Ironically, these pseudo-intellectual thugs typically identify themselves with ‘openness’, ‘liberalism’ and ‘inclusiveness’. Their delusions would be funny if they weren’t so grotesque.

    Naturally, the local press applauded these commie tactics since Irving was a notorious ‘anti-Semite’ and therefore unworthy of Constitutional protections. Case closed.

    This disturbing incident was a revealing introduction to (((Berkeley))) politics and the totalitarian tendencies of the pc journalists and intellectuals who reside there. The irony is hard to miss.

    Incredibly, Irving–who does indeed qualify as a first rate scholar–has been hounded and persecuted by Leftists and crypto-Zionists for decades. Like Joe Sobran, Irving’s career has been sabotaged because he’s determined to report facts and dispense the truth as he’s found it and sees it.

    But that’s not acceptable.

    David Irving has therefore been targeted for destruction.

    Irving’s and Sobran’s tortured experiences are a reminder to us all.

    Beware: if you fail to proclaim the ‘fact’ that Adolf Hitler as the most bad-evil-sadistic-psychopathic anti-Semite on earth (and maybe even the entire universe) they will ruin you.

    Thank you, David Irving.

    • 同意: Moi
    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Wally
  6. He lives.

    Only his Hugo Boss overcoat is a bit tattered.

  7. David JW 说:

    等一下。 2002年2018年新闻的书序如何?

  8. Anon[411]• 免责声明 说:

    Placing Stalin along Hitler at the top of the unz website frontpage looks like a symbol of editorial policy. Is it revisionism? Revisionist narrative, Brzezinski-style is as follows: there is a concept of ‘totalitarian state’, and since both Hitler and Stalin are heads of the states, so they are both the bad guys. Since we have bad guys, they are guilty, and we always find the bad things they did, and even more – we (The Enlightened English-Speakers of the ‘Free World’) would blame then for every bad thing whoever did, including ourselves. WW2 is indeed a bad thing. Some of us will blame Stalin for inciting the war or doing the war in a wrong way. Some of us will blame Hitler for everything else during the war. And the following questions will never again be asked:

    1) What powers helped Hitler to gain power and raise a war machine against USSR?
    2) Why no sanctions or other economic measures were imposed by the West to stop 3rd reich?
    3) Why military resistance in the Western Front was so weak? Was it a match fixing?
    4) How Munich accord, Strange war, and Hess flight to England became possible?
    5) What parts of German and Europeam MIC during WW2 had US or British stakeholders?

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @anon111
  9. Ron Unz 说:
    @Anon

    David Irving is a sad case.

    He started out as a serious historian but ruined his reputation with needless provocations and mindless apologies for Hitler, blaming everything on his henchmen. At some point, he began to willfully court controversy just to trigger people. And willfully appeal to neo-Nazi nutjobs.

    A huge waste of real talent.

    Well, since this totally ignorant comment surely represents the thinking of some other readers as well, I would strongly urge everyone to read this discussion of Irving’s career, which had already been provided as a link above:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/

    What’s so amusing is that some readers on this website apparently still believe that the MSM is always 100% correct and unbiased about absolutely everything…

  10. Malla 说:

    This video interview featuring James Perloff on WW2 is absolutely GOLD.
    He shows how the Axis powers Germany and Japan were unjustly vilified and destroyed by Churchill and FDR to forward global Communism. Check out the last part about Rudolf Hess. Besides that he also explains why all the massive amount of official propaganda about WW2 by the mainstream media and academia. That is because they did not want to repeat the mistake of WW1.

    By the way James Perloff is of Jewish ancestry himself. I hope Mr. Perloff did not or does not go through the hardships, what Mr. Irving faced, for just telling the truth.

  11. Moi 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Being a vassal of the US is preferable because the US only wants full-spectrum domination of the world–its stated policy. Anything happening in any small corner of the world is America’s business. I guess we can now celebrate world peace. LOL!

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @anon111
    , @Svigor
  12. Malla 说:
    @Anon

    More important questions would be

    Why would a seemingly Christian, Capitalist, free democratic United States of America support the Communist Soviet Union via the land lease program?
    Well how is that even possible, it happened for sure, no doubts about that. But how is that even possible. Why would the USA support a communist nation which supported communist revolution around the war and was a major threat to the established American way of life?

    Why did Jacob Schiff, a rich capitalist Wall Street banker finance Lenin and the Bolshevik Communist takeover of Russia?

    Why and how did David Rockefeller get special landing rights in Soviet Moscow? He visited the Soviet Union more times than all American Presidents combined. Why was he not arrested by Soviet Authorities on arrival in Moscow, tried for being an exploiter of the proletariat (because in his case, he really is one) and punished?

    How is it that once, Henry Kissinger represented both the United States as well as the Soviet Union?

  13. Desert Fox 说:

    Read Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton and the Crime and Punishment of I. G. Farben by Joseph Borkin and Trading With the Enemy by Charles Hingham, all can be had on amazon.com., and will open eyes and minds.

    • 回复: @Svigor
  14. Surely making it illegal to even question the details of something, as Canada and several European countries have done with the Jewish holocaust, is a reason to suspect that the event in question is on pretty shaky ground factually.

    If men like David Irving, Arthur Butz and others are simply wrong about the Jewish holocaust, refute their arguments and prove them wrong. By trying to silence them and destroy their lives, Jews have only shown that so called “holocaust deniers” are probably right.

  15. @Malla

    Why would a seemingly Christian, Capitalist, free democratic United States of America support the Communist Soviet Union via the land lease program?

    Indeed. Why would Fred Koch, an alleged anti-communist, build Stalin’s refineries?

    Fred Koch’s second son, Charles Koch, is born. At some point in the mid-1930s, according to Mayer, the Kochs hire a Nazi governess to help raise their boys.

  16. Anonymous[155]• 免责声明 说:

    Is David Irving a “Holocaust Denier”? Wikipedia claims he is but I’m not sure exactly what “Holocaust denier” means. Seems vague.

    In any event, I do believe he said that “not much happened” at Auschwitz. To the “Holocaust Deniers”: Is it not indeed true that there were approximately 4-6 million fewer Jews in Europe (and on Earth) after the war than before? The World Almanac did update to reflect this fact, contrary to some claims.

    Where did the ~4.5 million Jews go between 1941 and 1949 (according to the Almanac figures. 15.75 million vs 11.27 million)? Did they shed their Jewish identities and disappear into the Soviet Union?

  17. What a breathtaking, magisterial introduction. That’s all I can say at the moment.

    • 回复: @iffen
  18. utu 说:

    David Irving did not have to sue Deborah Lipstadt. Why did he think he could win? Why did he let his career to be ruined, his archives to be lost? The answer is vanity and hubris that lead to his poor judgment and possibly somebody whispered to his ear.

    Now about Hitler. Did he have to attack Poland? Was it really the best idea that he could have come up with in 1939? Who whispered to Hitler’s ear to be so reckless and eventually suicidal?

    • 回复: @fnn
  19. @Ron Unz

    I have a long history with David Irving, including having met him personally in New York in 2003 (where he autographed my copy of 否认大屠杀, by Deborah Lipstadt), and e-mail correspondences in the 1990s and 2000s, which were as rancorous as you might imagine.

    I think the comment to which you’re responding, Mr. Unz, is a wholly accurate one. I also think your use of sneer quotes in describing Holocaust denial — which Irving no longer engages in but certainly did at the same he very stupidly sued Deborah Lipstadt — is troubling, and I’d welcome the opportunity to educate you on this point, should you be interested. I assisted in a tiny way in the Lipstadt case, assisting one of the expert witnesses with his research. I can demonstrate that Irving knew that the case he was presenting in court consisted of some fairly big lies. I can also demonstrate that Irving is, at the very least, a full-blown anti-Semite, although I suspect you know that.

    That said, Irving certainly made significant contributions to our understanding of WWII history, even in the volume you publish today. These contributions are not without their own problems, though: I wrote a rebuttal to one of the points made in his introduction, which can be read here:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/keine-liquidierung-eine-neubeurteilung.html

    What I hope to demonstrate in this essay is that, on the point discussed, Irving seized on an extremely unlikely meaning for the source that he located instead of exhaustively surveying the available evidence and finding the more likely explanation.

    I welcome any comments.

  20. @Malla

    Why would a seemingly Christian, Capitalist, free democratic United States of America support the Communist Soviet Union via the land lease program?

    That’s “lend lease.” And the U.S. would support the USSR against Germany because Germany was already at war with our chief ally, the U.K.

    Well how is that even possible, it happened for sure, no doubts about that. But how is that even possible. Why would the USA support a communist nation which supported communist revolution around the war and was a major threat to the established American way of life?

    It was an uneasy alliance at best and shattered when the war was over.

    Why did Jacob Schiff, a rich capitalist Wall Street banker finance Lenin and the Bolshevik Communist takeover of Russia?

    He didn’t. He supported the February revolution in Russia — as did most of the world — but he withdrew support when the Bolsheviks seized power. The part primarily responsible for Lenin taking over in Russia is the German Kaiser, who sent Lenin back to Russia in April 1917 to overthrow the Provisional Government and end the war.

    Why and how did David Rockefeller get special landing rights in Soviet Moscow? He visited the Soviet Union more times than all American Presidents combined. Why was he not arrested by Soviet Authorities on arrival in Moscow, tried for being an exploiter of the proletariat (because in his case, he really is one) and punished?

    No idea on this one.

    How is it that once, Henry Kissinger represented both the United States as well as the Soviet Union?

    I don’t think he did. Do you have a source on this?

  21. @Moi

    Being a vassal of the US is preferable because the US only wants full-spectrum domination of the world–its stated policy.

    You have muddled the tenses. I said:

    Britain became, in effect, a US vassal, a status much to be preferred, so most Britons would surely have agreed, than that of a colony of either Hitler’s Reich or Stalin’s Soviet Union.

    You, we are to understand, had you been a British citizen at the time, would have preferred domination by Hitler’s Germany or the Soviets. Each to his own, but my assertion is almost certainly correct.

  22. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    除了那个 Irving was imprisoned for Thought Crimes提前发布.
    Hence, he made a deal, therefore his laughably impossible “holocaust-lite” was an ‘arrangement’.
    The ridiculous ‘6M Jews’ is an easily debunked fraud and Andrew Mathis cannot present proof of it.
    BTW, Jews have been claiming the ‘6M’ lies since at least 1823.
    推荐的:
    The David Irving Phenomenon: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8001
    和:
    格鲁巴赫在霍弗尔电报上写给大卫欧文的信
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563
    欧文的“大屠杀”精简版/但什么是“ 2.4万份文档”?
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548
    和:
    ``通过霍夫电报试图进行``康复''
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558
    Still waiting for Andrew Mathis to show us the supposedly known immense Jew remains.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  23. I read ‘Hitler’s War’ shortly after publication and gave away my copy decades ago, not being obsessed with the historical period.

  24. @Andrew E. Mathis

    Why and how did David Rockefeller get special landing rights in Soviet Moscow? He visited the Soviet Union more times than all American Presidents combined. Why was he not arrested by Soviet Authorities on arrival in Moscow, tried for being an exploiter of the proletariat (because in his case, he really is one) and punished?

    No idea on this one.

    I don’t know either, but as a speculative answer and taking the matter at its face it immediately brings to mind a Russian idiom about the war that I haven’t heard for twenty years so am sure to get wrong but comes back to me as “the Americans would provide munitions and hard money, Russians would provide blood”.

    Many times in Russian and Soviet and post-Soviet history I’ve seen the problem of finding “hard money” come up. This is probably less a matter in the late-Putin era because of petroleum but one can guess it will continue to be a recurrent theme as a constraint on Russian international agency. Ideology notwithstanding, push-come-shove, Russia as all nations needs something it can trade with in international commerce. It’s not hard for me to imagine Rockefeller perceiving a variety of interests in underwriting this. From a communist POV the arrangement could probably easily be rationalized by citing Engels.

  25. Wally 说:
    @Anonymous

    According to the “Holocau\$t Industry” Jews went to enormous ‘known’ mass graves.

    Signs have been erected at the alleged sites supposedly pointing out mass grave sites etc., but guess what, they are not there, in spite of attempts to find them.

    Treblinka as an example:

    historian’ Raul Hilberg wrote in his three-volume book entitled “The Destruction of the European Jews” that there were 700,000 – 900,000 bodies buried at Treblinka.

    “The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves.”
    –以色列古特曼(主编),《大屠杀百科全书》,第4卷,麦克米伦,纽约,1990年,第4卷。 1481,页。 87-XNUMX

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  26. nickels 说:

    Absolutely gripping book. The way the Empire expands through the first years of the war, the giddy optimism, and then the stall, and, the most gripping and terrifying part, the slow and eventual shrinking and collapse, with the tanks and shells coming within earshot, the growing and eventual doom-this is like no other book I have read.

    Highly suggested.

  27. Rurik 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    As a result, Britain became, in effect, a US vassal, a status much to be preferred, so most Britons would surely have agreed, than that of a colony of either Hitler’s Reich…

    don’t you mean ZUS vassal?

    since we all know the ZUS doesn’t fart unless it gets permission from Israel

    and as to how well England is fairing as a sycophantic vassal of Zion..

    one must wonder, were Germany victorious, would England’s school girls today be little more than sexual amusements for the dregs of Pakistan?

    I’m guessing not.

    • 同意: Stonehands
    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  28. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Andrew Mathis posted this absurdiity:
    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2016/02/keine-liquidierung-eine-neubeurteilung.html

    Now see the truth in a take down of Mathis who also posts as Thames Darwin.
    Himmler’s note infers Hitler knew of liquidation ? NOT
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2143

    and yet another demolition:
    Has anybody been able to kind of convince you to believe official holo. narrative / Andrew Mathis, “Holo. Controversies”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11770&p=88197

    See the ‘Holocaust Controversies” mangled here. It’s not even close.

    艾克森·莱因哈特(Aktion Reinhardt)的“灭绝营”
    对“大屠杀争议”博客的虚构“证据”,欺骗和有力论证的分析和驳斥
    尤尔根·格拉夫(JürgenGraf),卡洛·马托尼奥(Carlo Mattogno),托马斯·库斯(Thomas Kues)
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  29. @Wally

    How much longer will Wally be allowed to spam this site with such wild abandon?

  30. @Wally

    You posted a link to a thread begun a decade before I published my essay and that engages none of the primary sources I cite in my essay. That you think this is some kind of refutation is actually sort of hilarious. Thanks for sharing it.

    Since I didn’t make any specific arguments in the second link you offer, I can’t say that I can see how I’ve been “demolished” in that one either. Seriously, you’re slipping. Too much to drink this morning?

    • 回复: @Wally
  31. Rurik 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    What’s so amusing is that some readers on this website apparently still believe that the MSM is always 100% correct and unbiased about absolutely everything…

    I was going to reply to Mr. Unz that I doubt very much that the people attracted to his site are thus duped. But more likely, they’re simply knowingly parroting the lies that are shilled by the MSM, for ideological reasons.

    sneer quotes in describing Holocaust denial —

    I was raised to believe in the holy lampshades, and the holy soap

    I only learned later of the holy geysers of blood and tossing babies out of the back of lories onto bonfires, etc..

    that these things, including the numbers of millions killed at Auschwitz – all turned out to be devil’s lies, has had an impact on my gullibility vis-a-vis the rest of the narrative.

    If they lied about Germans making soap out of Jewish fat, then what else have they lied about, eh?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  32. @Rurik

    don’t you mean ZUS vassal?

    and as to how well England is fairing as a sycophantic vassal of Zion..

    I was stating what I believe to have been a fact relating to opinion in Britain several generations ago. Your obsession with Jewish political influence is irrelevant to my point.

    Apparently, had you been in a position to decide, you would have had Britain throw in her lot with Hitler or Stalin, rather than Roosevelt. OK. But who cares?

    • 回复: @Rurik
  33. Malla 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    And the U.S. would support the USSR against Germany because Germany was already at war with our chief ally, the U.K

    In a logical world, under no condition would a capitalist free country like the USA support a huge Communist country which wanted to spread communism throughout the world and was a direct threat to the American way of life. A very poor excuse and very suspicious behaviour on the part of the USA.

    It was an uneasy alliance at best and shattered when the war was over.

    Did not seem like an uneasy alliance.

    He didn’t. He supported the February revolution in Russia — as did most of the world — but he withdrew support when the Bolsheviks seized power. The part primarily responsible for Lenin taking over in Russia is the German Kaiser, who sent Lenin back to Russia in April 1917 to overthrow the Provisional Government and end the war.

    He supported both the Mensheviks as well as the Bolsheviks
    https://jamesperloff.com/tag/russian-revolution/
    Jacob Schiff and Federal Reserve founder Paul Warburg ran Kuhn, Loeb & Co. – the Rothschilds’ New York banking satellite. Schiff supplied \$20 million in gold to Trotsky, who sailed from New York with 275 other terrorists on a passport obtained through pressure the bankers put on the Wilson administration.

    Also more here
    The Rothschilds, through Milner, planned the Russian Revolution, and along with Schiff (who gave \$20 million), Sir George Buchanan, the Warburgs, the Rockefellers, the partners of J.P. Morgan (who gave at least \$1 million), Olaf Aschberg (of the Nye Bank of Stockholm, Sweden), the Rhine Westphalian Syndicate, a financier named Jovotovsky (whose daughter later married Leon Trotsky), William Boyce Thompson (a director of Chase National Bank who contributed \$1 million), and Albert H. Wiggin (President of Chase National Bank), helped finance it.

    As far as the Kaiser, you are right, he did play a role in sending Lenin to Russia. That was because the commies promised to stop Russian participation in WW2. With this, the Germans could move a large number of men and material to the Western front against the British and French.

    More from Perloff’s website
    “It is a myth that Kerensky and the Bolsheviks were adversaries. Kerensky received \$1 million from Jacob Schiff. During summer 1917, when it was revealed the Bolsheviks were on Germany’s payroll – treason during wartime – Kerensky protected them. When the Bolsheviks moved to seize power that autumn, he declined the option of requesting troops to preserve the government. Lenin and Trotsky gave Kerensky money and safe passage out. He died wealthy in 1970 in New York, where the Russian Orthodox Church refused him burial services.

    • Postwar Britain sent the Bolsheviks rifles and ammunition for 250,000 men. With this and other Western assistance, the Reds crushed the White opposition. Loans and technology from Western capitalists poured in for decades, as documented in such books as Antony Sutton’s Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution and Joseph Finder’s Red Carpet.=

    As far as that Kissinger thing, I will get back on that one later.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  34. [Hitler] had no ambitions against Britain or her Empire at all, and all the captured records solidly bear this out. He had certainly built the wrong air force and the wrong navy for a sustained campaign against the British Isles

    Obviously Hitler did not want a repeat of the two-front war that resulted in Germany’s defeat in 1918. But had Germany defeated Russia, then she would have dominated Europe from the Urals to the Pyrenees. Whether formally or otherwise, with violence or otherwise, Britain would then have been totally subordinated to Germany’s vastly increased power.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  35. @Rurik

    I’d be very shocked if you could identify a single historical event about which exaggerations, false memories, and lies didn’t form part of the record. It’s the nature of eyewitness testimony in particular. It hardly leads logically to the conclusion that everything that’s been said about the historical event is a lie. There’s a middle ground between all truth and all lies, is there not?

  36. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Excuses, excuses. LOL
    You said what you said.

    More in Andrew Mathis’s own words:

    CODOH 击败行业发言人 Andrew Mathis:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  37. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    My my, Mathis has his panties in a twist.

    IOW, Mathis cannot refute what I post, has embarrassed himself, and now whines like a stuck Zionist pig.
    Leave it to Andrew Mathis to call for suppression of free speech about his laughably impossible “holocau\$t”. 只有撒谎者才要求审查制度。

    推荐的:
    一些技术和化学考虑
    关于奥斯威辛和比克瑙的“毒气室”

    作者:化学大师 Germar Rudolf
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  38. @Malla

    Malla, the Soviet Union did not benefit from the Lend Lease program, it was a specialized program to facilitate transfers of US Navy warships to the United Kingdom while the United States was still neutral before December 7, 1941. I suspect you are trying to promote the goofy myth that the United States gifted the Soviet Union with billions of dollars in war materiel during WWII. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Soviet Union was required to pay for every M4 tank, P39 Airacobra, and can of pork stew, up front, not on credit, and not in Rubles, in gold bullion.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @jilles dykstra
    , @Alden
  39. fnn 说:
    @utu

    The German-Polish dispute over Danzig, the Corridor and the mistreatment of ethnic Germans in Poland was a pretty lame excuse for FDR and Churchill to pursue a conflict that would take upwards of 60 million lives. A largely forgotten fact is that there were 70,000 ethnic German refugees from Poland in camps in Danzig and Germany at the time the war started. Based on the historical record, there’s enough material there for England, US and Israel to start at least a dozen wars.

    FDR constantly seems like someone trying to remove the barriers to war:
    http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/p/timeline-to-war-begini.html

    31 August Roosevelt, who has known of the secret protocol between the Soviets and Germans (with the agreement that East Poland will be lost), on this day wraps himself in silence. (1:623)
    xix. US Ambassador in Paris, Bullitt, assures his Polish colleague, Count Łukasiewicz, that there is a secret protocol, but it only involves the three Baltic States – not Poland.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @utu
  40. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Anon

    The late great John Keegan clearly noticed this in the quote provided. He must have been quite disappointed by Irving’s pointless attention seeking.

    “Two books in English stand out from the vast literature of the Second World War. Chester Wilmot’s The Struggle for Europe, published in 1952, and David Irving’s Hitler’s War,which appeared three years ago…They do so because, from exactly opposing angles of vision, each tackles the strategy of the whole war and makes impressive if doctrinaire sense of it…The second book has not yet worked its way into our general understanding of the conflict, though it undoubtedly will do so when controversy over its sensationalist elements is exhausted.”—Sir John Keegan, Defence Editor of The Daily Telegraph in The Times Literary Supplement.

  41. David Irving is suggesting essentially that it was bureaucracy itself that was responsible for the holocaust. I find this easily believable. The main purpose of bureaucracy is to protect everyone in it from any accountability or even the feeling of accountability. And we all know that Germans make consummate bureaucrats. I believe this is the source for the expression of “the banality of evil”. In other words, bureaucracy really is evil, as anyone who has ever tried to do anything “outside the system” knows full-well.

    The Spielberg film “Schindler’s List” did a good job of depicting some of the bureaucracy carrying out the Holocaust when it showed the SS bureaucrats setting up their tables, chairs, papers and stamps to “process” the Jews before they were loading onto the trains to be transported to the camps. Everything was done in a neat, orderly manner with all of the paperwork in proper notation and place. It was this scene, more than any other, that made the most impression on me from this film.

    A lot of what Irving’s book said about Hitler’s attitude towards the British Empire and the eastward Teutonic push is written in great detail by Hitler himself in his second book. Hitler’s second book is readily available on Amazon.

    • 回复: @Ivan K.
    , @Ivan K.
  42. VICB3 说:

    Trying to find an affordable hard or paper bound copy of the book in English is pretty much a waste of time. (Go ahead, see for yourself.) Rendering it unavailable to the reader, whatever powers that be that feel threatened by its contrary narrative inadvertently attest to the veracity of the the books contents. The truth needs no defense, and censorship always fails in the end, though usually long after those who seek to avoid blame or embarrassment (or seek greater profit) have passed on.

    Fortunately there’s the internet, and the reality that once it’s out there in cyberspace, then it’s out there forever. For those who might wish to read the book and judge for themselves vs being told what to think by the gatekeepers of the approved (and one-dimensional overall) fairytale, a PDF can be found here:

    ia800603.us.archive org/20/items/HitlersWarTheWarPath/HitlersWarTheWarPath-Irving.pdf

    Other formats of the book here:

    archive org/details/HitlersWarTheWarPath

    Please note that inasmuch some comments that include links are frequently flagged as Spam,
    the “dot” in the “dot org” parts of the URLs have been left out. One need only add the https:// and dot then copy and past to your browser to download.

    Not as good as having a hardbound copy to put on the shelf, but certainly better than nothing.

    希望这可以帮助!

    仅仅是一个想法。

    维克B3

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  43. anon111 说:
    @mark green

    My first introduction to Irving’s ‘unacceptable’ scholarship however came in San Francisco back in the early 80′s. David Irving was slated to give a lecture at Berkeley one night but just as his presentation began, he was set upon by a hateful group of ‘Leftists’ calling themselves the Spartacus League.

    For the sin of ‘humanizing’ Adolf Hitler, this un-merry band of crypto-Israelis physically attacked David Irving in the auditorium at Berkeley and successfully shut down his speech before it commenced. Free speech denied. Zionist victory!

    i listened to audio of an Irving youtube file and in it he describes one of his fans? attempting to infiltrate an “antifa” group in California about 10 years ago. What i found interesting is the focus of the leader of this group on “protecting European jewry” as though the wealthiest, most privileged group on the planet needs his help. Its not really about being “Anti-fascist” its just an arm of jewish power and violence that useful idiots can join.

  44. anon111 说:
    @Anon

    Since we have bad guys, they are guilty, and we always find the bad things they did, and even more – we (The Enlightened English-Speakers of the ‘Free World’) would blame then for every bad thing whoever did, including ourselves.

    English-speakers get blamed for everything already

    and stop trying to lump yourself in with me with all the “some of us” “some of us” “some of us”

    为自己说话

  45. @fnn

    FDR constantly seems like someone trying to remove the barriers to war.

    很难理解吗?

    If Germany and Russia could be induced to fight one another to the point of exhaustion, then the US would dominate the world.

    The tricky part was to ensure that neither Germany nor the Soviets won an outright victory. Hence the US intervention in Europe, which first aided the Soviets resist the German onslaught, and then, when Germany buckled, put a halt to the Soviet Westward tide.

    • 回复: @Malla
  46. Rurik 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Apparently, had you been in a position to decide, you would have had Britain throw in her lot with Hitler or Stalin, rather than Roosevelt.

    英国 做了 throw in its lot with Stalin, in case you didn’t know.

    And had she stayed neutral, then England today wouldn’t be a stinking shithole of political correctness, moral and spiritual rot, and ethnic suicide.

    OK. But who cares?

    likely the millions of Brits who watched with distain as the royal wedding was turned into a ‘diversity’ farce, and the one man willing to talk about the death of England is summarily imprisoned for his temerity.

    I know where you stand. I’m not writing for you.

    I’m writing to point out that England’s “victory” over Germany, has resulted in humiliations far, far worse than sharing the global limelight with an ascendant Germany.

    when guys like this are raping your 12 and 13 year old school girls and daughters wholesale

    and if you complain, it’s you that they’ll put into prison, then at least when Germany 丢失 the war, was when their women and girls were raped wholesale by sub-human orcs

    it looks like “winning” the war hasn’t been all that beneficial

    when it means your country will be ruled by pedophiles and Zionists

    and there will be zero future for ethnic Brits – in England

    • 回复: @Malla
  47. @Wally

    You literally are making no sense. You need to put down the crack pipe.

    • 回复: @Wally
  48. Ron Unz 说:
    @VICB3

    Trying to find an affordable hard or paper bound copy of the book in English is pretty much a waste of time. (Go ahead, see for yourself.) …Fortunately there’s the internet, and the reality that once it’s out there in cyberspace, then it’s out there forever. For those who might wish to read the book and judge for themselves vs being told what to think by the gatekeepers of the approved (and one-dimensional overall) fairytale, a PDF can be found

    Actually, I think the HTML version now provided on this website is much superior for reading purposes than a PDF, which also being fully searchable:

    https://www.unz.com/book/david_irving__hitlers-war/

    • 回复: @VICB3
    , @Allan
  49. Z-man 说:

    In my absence, internationally affiliated groups circulated letters to librarians, pleading for this book to be taken off their shelves. From time to time copies of these letters were shown to me. A journalist for Time magazine dining with me in New York in 1988 remarked, ‘Before coming over I read the clippings files on you. Until Hitler’s War you couldn’t put a foot wrong, you were the darling of the media; but after it…’ =

    Quite similar to Douglas Reed after he wrote the seminal ‘Controversy of Zion’.
    From Wiki: “Reed spent the duration of the Second World War in England; in 1948, he moved to Durban, South Africa. In 1951 his book Far and Wide he wrote: “During the Second World War I noticed that the figures of Jewish losses, in places where war made verification impossible, were being irresponsibly inflated, and said so in a book. The process continued until the war’s end when the figure of six millions was produced… No proof can be given”. Reed was subsequently virtually banned by establishment publishers and booksellers, and his previous titles were often removed from library shelves。[5]”

  50. anon111 说:
    @Moi

    Being a vassal of the US is preferable because the US only wants full-spectrum domination of the world–its stated policy. Anything happening in any small corner of the world is America’s business. I guess we can now celebrate world peace. LOL!

    i guess that’s why we need a \$738 billion/year “defense” budget – so we can stick our nose in everyone else’s business

    a \$25 billion one time expenditure on a wall though, will never happen because all this money is not about defense anyway

  51. Per/Norway 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    wtf is wrong with people like you?
    why do some people always want to silence and censor everyone that you dont agree with or everyone that beats you in a discussion?
    codoh.com is not spam,, not my fav site but there is still tons of info there.

    here are other sites with links to original documents and such that are not codoh.com, are these sites spam to?

    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com

    http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=85432

    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/

    please reconsider your urge to censor everyone that is not you, only loosers and people that fear truth censors other humans. (just see what the UK is doing to dissenting voices)

    the only person that fear the truth is the lier.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  52. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    We are all waiting for Andrew Mathis to post the names, their exact words, and the claimed dates, of his favorite “holocaust survivors”.

    Get to work Andrew Mathis.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  53. anon111 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I can also demonstrate that Irving is, at the very least, a full-blown anti-Semite

    OMG the greatest sin

    there are so many virulent anti-whites openly operating in the (((media))) today, do you have a special word for them?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  54. @Per/Norway

    Wally is legally allowed to do what he likes. Ron Unz is also legally allowed to prevent people from spamming his site.

    And yes, the links from Wally are spam. He almost never posts new information.

    So maybe learn the meanings of terms before posting?

    • 回复: @Wally
  55. Wally 说:
    @mark green

    Good points, Mark.

    However Irving ‘went south’ after being imprisoned for Thought Crimes.
    He has since made preposterous claims about a “holocaust-lite” which are simply not sustainable when placed under rational scrutiny.
    His curious early release from jail gives the game away.
    http://www.codoh.com

    The David Irving Phenomenon: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8001
    和:
    格鲁巴赫在霍弗尔电报上写给大卫欧文的信 https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563
    和:
    欧文的“大屠杀”精简版/但什么“2.4万份文件”? http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548
    和:
    ``通过霍夫电报试图进行``康复'' http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558

    • 同意: L.K
  56. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You’re taking quite a beating here by 众多 chaps. LOL

    • 巨魔: Andrew E. Mathis
  57. @anon111

    Since I don’t believe they actually exist, then answer is “no.”

    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Stonehands
  58. @Wally

    Sure, I’ll get right on that, as soon as you, Jonnie Hargis, can provide me with the postwar locations of even 1% of the 1.5 million Jews sent to Belzec, Treblinka, and Sobibor.

    • 回复: @Wally
  59. @Malla

    Why not provide some sources from actual historians who have studied actual primary sources? You’re posting bullshit conspiracy theories. I’m not interested.

    • 回复: @Malla
  60. @Wally

    Ron Unz isn’t the government, bonehead. Neither can I. As such, neither of us can “censor” you.

    控制。

  61. @Andrew E. Mathis

    “That’s “lend lease.””

    Uh-oh, here come the internet grammar Nazis.

  62. @Andrew E. Mathis

    Why do you care? It’s not your site and as far as I know you’re not being forced to post here.

  63. @Andrew E. Mathis

    Except you’re on record here affirming belief in a 5.7M number, so clearly you’re not open to any notion of exaggeration with this topic.

  64. Malla 说:
    @Bombercommand

    the Soviet Union did not benefit from the Lend Lease program

    You must be kidding me. Land Lease played a big part in the survival of the Soviet Union during WW2.

    根据俄罗斯历史学家鲍里斯·瓦季莫维奇·索科洛夫 (Boris Vadimovich Sokolov) 的说法,租借法案在赢得战争方面发挥了关键作用:
    “总的来说,可以得出以下结论:如果没有这些租借制度下的西方货物,苏联不仅无法赢得卫国战争,甚至无法抵抗德国侵略者,因为它本身无法生产足够数量的武器和军事装备或充足的燃料和弹药供应。 苏联当局很清楚这种对 Lend-Lease 的依赖。 因此,斯大林告诉哈里·霍普金斯(罗斯福于 1941 年 XNUMX 月派往莫斯科的特使),苏联无法与德国作为欧洲及其资源的占领者的实力相匹敌。”

    Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
    “我想就斯大林对红军和苏联能否在没有美英援助的情况下应对纳粹德国并在战争中幸存下来的看法发表我的坦率意见。 首先,我想谈谈斯大林在我们内部“畅所欲言”时多次重复的一些言论。 他直言,如果没有美国帮助我们,我们就不会赢得这场战争。 如果我们不得不一对一地与纳粹德国作战,我们就无法顶住德国的压力,我们就会输掉这场战争。 从来没有人正式讨论过这个问题,我认为斯大林没有留下任何书面证据来证明他的观点,但我要在此声明,他在与我的几次谈话中指出,这些都是实际情况。 他从来没有特别强调就这个主题进行对话,但是当我们进行某种轻松的交谈,讨论过去和现在的国际问题时,以及何时回到我们走过的道路的主题时战争期间,他就是这么说的。 听了他的话,我完全同意他的看法,今天更是如此。”

    乔治·雷西·乔丹少校是阿拉斯加的一名真正的土地租赁官员。 看看他的书
    From Major Jordan’s Dairies about the enormous amount of help given by the USA to the Soviet Union.
    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/jordan/01.html

    But a Christian Capitalist Freedom loving democracy like the USA helping a communist country or making an alliance with any Communist country just makes no sense. How is this possible? How? Not only the USA but even Great Britain while the Soviet Union was actively trying to dismantle the British Empire. Yet Britain and Canada helped the Soviet Union. How is this even possible? Is this reality or lala land? How can people be so dumb to accept something like this?
    In a normal world, it would have been in the interest of the United States as well as Britain to see the complete of communism as well as the Soviet Union, now would that be a positive or a negative thing for the world is a different question all together, but that is how it would have been.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  65. VICB3 说:
    @Ron Unz

    You’re right! Didn’t even know that Unz had it. Didn’t even think to look. Maybe it ought to be highlighted with a link in the header.

    Now, if only somebody were brave enough to print up the damned thing in hardbound and at an affordable price, say, oh, \$35 (+ Free Shipping!!!)* with decent quality paper and glossy illustrations. Thought I’d found a source, but no deal.

    Suggestion: Maybe Unz ought to go into the “Forbidden Books” publishing business. This book and others by Irving. Or an English translation of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together. Or, well….

    仅仅是一个想法。

    维克B3

    *Amazon sure as hell isn’t doing it. \$524.99 for a hardcover. That’s no typo. Yikes!

    • 回复: @Mike P
  66. @Bombercommand

    Completely new for me.
    LendLease made it possible for FDR to supply any country with whatever he liked for ‘free’.
    However, strings were attached, GB had to promise to remove trade barriers around the empire.
    RF哈罗德(RF Harrod),《教授,切尔韦尔勋爵的个人回忆录》,伦敦,1959年
    Stalin paid with Russian blood.

  67. @CanSpeccy

    Hitler did not want any war:
    AJP泰勒,《第二次世界大战的起源》,1961年,1967年,伦敦
    Patrick J. Buchanan, ‘Churchill, Hitler and “The unnecessary war”, How Britain lost its empire and the west lost the world’, New York, 2008

    • 回复: @utu
    , @UncommonGround
    , @CanSpeccy
  68. @Wally

    劳尔·希尔伯格(Raul Hilberg),《欧洲犹太人的毁灭》,学生版,提内克,1985年
    Just one volume.
    I can recommend reading it, already on page 300 or so one reads that Auschwitz was a big industrial centre.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Greg Bacon
  69. utu 说:
    @fnn

    Why Hitler started war that destroyed Germany? It is not about Churchill an Roosevelt? They were a part of reality that apparently Hitler was not able to read.

  70. anon111 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Since I don’t believe they actually exist

    lol, i’m not surprised

  71. Malla 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Oh Please, your interest is none of my concern. You are free to ignore facts if they go against your official propaganda.
    Anyways I repeat, a free capitalist democratic country like the USA supporting a huge Communist country which wanted to spread communism throughout the world and was a direct threat to the American way of life goes against all logic and common sense and nor you or any official historian can explain this away. Capice.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  72. utu 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Hitler did not want any war:

    So, why did he start one?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Malla
  73. @jilles dykstra

    @jilles dykstra

    Are there other books you would reccomend?

  74. @Malla

    It doesn’t go against common sense at all. If you had common sense, you’d realize that.

    • 回复: @Malla
  75. @jilles dykstra

    Hitler did not want any war.

    No, Hitler did not want war with Britain, while waging war on Russia.

    As for France, no, Hitler did not want war, but he wanted conquest, which is why he waged war on France and occupied it in ten days, beginning May 10, 1940.

    The occupation of France covered Hitler’s back, so far as it could be covered, and opened the way to the invasion of Russia in 1941, in accordance with his well known intention, as revealed to Winston Churchill by Von Ribbentrop during a visit to Britain in 1937.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  76. Two years ago, bought and read this fantastic book that is extremely well-written. Over 100 pages of supporting notes, showing Mr. Irving’s tenacious dedication to getting the facts right.

    Any lover of history would do well to get a copy and read what you never learned about in high school or college history classes about WWII.

  77. @jilles dykstra

    Auschwitz was a big industrial centre.

    Yes, the labor camp was built originally to accomodate slave labor for use by the Silesian Steel Corporation, in the management of which Prescott Bush was involved as an agent for Thyssen.

  78. Ivan K. 说: • 您的网站
    @Abelard Lindsey

    David Irving is suggesting essentially that it was bureaucracy itself that was responsible for the holocaust.

    From following what hehas said on several occassions through the years, while even disregarding the above text, I’d say that’s a pretty accurate one-word summary.

    written in great detail by Hitler himself in his second book. Hitler’s second book is readily available on Amazon.

    I’m not aware that Hitler wrote such a book. 希特勒的餐桌谈话 is a collection of transcriptions of his talks during dinner c. 1940-1944, published after WW2. In recent years, their veracity has become more doubtful, unfortunately (https://media.8ch.net/pdfs/src/1429265963793.pdf). That just gives more force to David Irving’s point from this Introduction: Hitler’s inner life remains a big historical enigma.

    ...

    I came here to express satisfaction with the promotion of David Irving on unz.com. To my surprise, I was faced with a long series of uninformed, naysaying comments.
    Excluding your comment, of course.

    • 回复: @Wally
  79. peterAUS 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I welcome any comments.

    O.K. Just one, then.
    A question of sort, in fact.

    Based on what Johnny Smoggins posted

    Surely making it illegal to even question the details of something, as Canada and several European countries have done with the Jewish holocaust, is a reason to suspect that the event in question is on pretty shaky ground factually.

    If men like David Irving, Arthur Butz and others are simply wrong about the Jewish holocaust, refute their arguments and prove them wrong. By trying to silence them and destroy their lives, Jews have only shown that so called “holocaust deniers” are probably right.

    为什么 , really, making that illegal and even imprisoning people for that in “free world” ?
    All other cases of prosecuting people for saying/writing something have been proven, I believe, wrong, for a couple of reasons.
    Why is the same (prosecuting) in Free Introduction case O.K.?

    I mean, the very countries which do prosecute “Holocaust deniers” (quotes or not) are, at the same time, very keen on pointing the wrong of the method somewhere else for something else.

    Say, based on
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union
    Putin imprisoning people for saying that there wasn’t 20 million, but “only” (quotes or not), 16 million.

    One can get prosecuted, in this case, for saying there weren’t 6 million, but 2 million. At least a man can lose his job etc.

    怎么办 美味 think, why is that?

    Simple question I guess.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @Anon
  80. Heros 说:

    “‘from October 1928 the two largest regular contributors to the Nazi Party were the general managers of two of the largest Berlin banks, both of Jewish faith, and one of them the leader of Zionism in Germany.’”

    In the book “The Seventh Million” the jewish author and historian Thomas Segev, translated from hebrew, goes into detail about NSDAP and Zionist cooperation after the Havara agreement. All the major Zionists were to be seen in Berlin with NSDAP officials. Germany provided training and apprenticeships to eugenically selected jewish zionists, who were later sent to Palestine with personal belongings. In Palestine they were known as “yeckels”, yiddish for “jackets”, because they wore their German jackets and lived in luxury with all the goods and tools that the Germans had shipped over for them.

    The Zionists were working hand in hand with the NSDAP even after the victories of June, 1941 and until the bitter end in Stalingrad in 1943. This is one reason why the US Ashkenazi jews were not supporters of Zion in Palestine. Stalin wasn’t either, he had already stolen the lands from Christians for a new Zion in Crimea.

    The Zionists and the NDSAP worked closely together, with the Zionists emulating the NSDAP down to the uniforms. Then they manipulated the word they created themselves, “Nazi”, to a completely new level of abomination. They have made it one of their scape goats from the ancient times and projected all their OWN sins onto it. Now we are faced with peeling back the lies.

    Why can’t we just say it, Zionists are the ultimate Nazi’s.

  81. @peterAUS

    I’m against those laws because I think they are counterproductive and provide too easy an excuse for Holocaust deniers to claim that they must be saying something right.

    That said, a couple of points to bear in mind about these laws:
    * In many of the countries with these laws, the law isn’t about Holocaust denial per se but rather a law against inciting racial hatred, and Holocaust denial included under that.
    * In many of these countries, there are also laws against denying Soviet atrocities.

    But I agree, the laws are not good.

    As for whether there should or should not be moral opprobrium or social consequences for one’s beliefs, no law protects people from such consequences.

  82. @utu

    “Hitler did not want any war”

    So, why did he start one?

    Because it was now or never for Germany.

    The balance of world power changed radically between 1918 and 1939.

    The West European nations with their rather unproductive and restive overseas possessions no longer dominated the world stage economically or militarily.

    America, a continental country with almost twice Germany’s population and an oceanic moat, had become an industrial giant with vast military potential, while Russia, even larger than the US and with a greater population, was back, militarily.

    For Germany, therefore, to slough off the bonds of the Versailles Treaty and achieve a place in the sun, it was now or never.

    If Germany was to achieve the status of a world power it had to seize territory, resources and population sufficient to contend with Russia and the US. That was Hitler’s goal.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @David In TN
  83. anon111 说:

    What is the explanation for Dunkirk today?

    Books i read thirty years ago usually claimed it was some kind of blunder by Hitler and the Germans, now seems more likely they disliked the idea of shooting fish in a barrel

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Bombercommand
  84. Anon[425]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    你知道有什么好笑的吗?

    When the fake Hitler Diaries were published by Newsweek(LOL), Irving saw through the phoniness right away whereas Hugh Trevor Roper got suckered big time. But then, Trevor-Roper had second thoughts and reversed his position just when Irving inexplicably reversed himself to lend weight to the hoax.

    WWII drives everyone nuts.

  85. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Leave it to debunked & discredited ‘holocaust’ True Believer and unhinged Zionist, Andrew Mathis, to call information which he cannot refute “spam”. LOL

    My posts consists of a wide range of information which obliterate the truly absurd & impossible holocaust’ fantasies. Anyone can select my name here and see that for themselves.

    Andrew Mathis is finding out that there are now many who have thrown off the yoke stupid Jew supremacist nonsense and he doesn’t like it one bit. A Jew privilege thing.

    Too bad, free speech means free speech

    挑战荒谬的假“ 6M犹太人”已成为主流:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/05/paul-craig-roberts/morality-truth-facts/
    习惯它。

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  86. Wally 说:
    @anon111

    The Wehrmacht essentially let them escape because they did not want a wider war.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @anon111
  87. Mike P 说:
    @VICB3

    Have you looked at David Irving’s home page? He offers his books for sale there (“Hitler’s War” for \$45).

    • 回复: @VICB3
  88. Wally 说:
    @Ivan K.

    推荐的:

    希特勒的“餐桌谈话”:学术欺诈和丑闻研究

    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4880

    没有“纳粹杀人气体室”的证据,就没有必然存在的巨大人类遗骸,如果没有可能的“大屠杀”故事情节是事实,那么就不会轻易找到数千吨的物理证据,于是我们被迫死,无心的犹太复国主义者。

    http://www.codoh.com

  89. @Wally

    Your posts are the same things over and over again, usually from the same source. Everyone can see that.

    • 回复: @Wally
  90. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Look at desperate little Andrew Mathis. He’s afraid to give us information on a mere THREE so called “holocau\$t survivors” of his choice.
    Obviously Mathis knows he will be blown out of the water if he responds.

    Then he tries the desperate & illogical ‘Where did they go/’ canard. Yet Jews & their “Holocaust Industry” say that ’6M Jews & 5M others’ went to huge mass graves, they claim to know the exact locations of these alleged enormous mass graves, yet they cannot show us the alleged massive human remains.
    推荐的:
    See here, some links about Jews being moved around, & much more.:
    J. Graf 和不合逻辑的鸭子:“那时犹太人去了哪里?” / & 更多的'
    viewtopic.php?f = 2&t = 8272

    Postwar locations of Jews? Child’s play:
    “That shitty little country” Israel, US, S. America, Australia, wherever Jews 是。

    Unz readers, see more on Andrew Mathis here:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138
    受到推崇的, NEW!
    ‘The Einsatzgruppen Trial’ / from the journal, Inconvenient History.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11791

    Please do not refer to me by an incorrect name. I am not that guy, though you do have an obsession for saying people are who they are not. In some cases you have said that some people are many different people. LOL Everyone, the word is that perverted Andrew Mathis also has the Zionist fondness for stalking & threatening people.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  91. Malla 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    My take is a bit different. It seems that during WW2, the USA just got rid off some of the best, most powerful opponents of Communism (National Socialist Third Reich Germany, Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy, Romania etc…) and soon communism spread to half of Eurasia. And Cultural Marxism soon spread into the western nations themselves.
    At the same time Israel was actually created and the League of Nations was replaced by the United Nations.
    So the three smelly sewers of Zionism, Communism and Globalism keep flowing and the current strengthens after each World War.

    WW1
    Zionism: Balfour Declaration
    Communism: Bolshevik Revolution
    Globalism: League of Nations
    Ottoman Empire, Hapsburg Austro Hungarian Empire, Tsarist Russia etc… destroyed

    WW2
    Zionism: Creation of Israel
    Communism: Communism spreads to half of Eurasia
    Globalism: United Nations
    Japanese Empire, Italian Empire, Third Reich destroyed.
    British Empire, French Empire, Dutch Empire, Portuguese Empire etc… eventually destroyed.

    WW3/WW4
    Zionism: Greater Israel, superpower of the World. Arab nations utterly destroyed.
    Communism: Global Corporate Communism under One World Govt.
    Globalism: One World Government with Jerusalem as capital, One World Army, One World currency ruled by a banker rabbi cabal.
    USA, European nations including Russia, Japan, China etc… destroyed as powers.

    • 同意: mark green
  92. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Only lying Zionists who I’ve demolished say that. But hey, anyone can select my name, see my posts and see the vast array of ‘holocau\$t’ debunking information I have posted. 是不是伤害了?

    I am your daddy。 哈哈

    更多推荐:
    杰克·威科夫(Jack Wikoff)纳粹灭绝同性恋的神话
    http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm
    和:
    同性恋者– Yad Vashem…http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

    http://www.codoh.com

  93. Hoo-boy! This article about David Irving’s Hitler’s War sure did stir up a shit storm.

    For those who deny the severity of the European holocaust please read Hitler’s Shadow War (2002) by Clemson history professor Donald McKale. In it he details how even in retreat from the Eastern Front, with the Red Army at their heels, the Wehrmacht were directed to assist SS units like Einsatzgruppen in the killing of Jews. The Nazi cult’s obsession with Jews went so far as to through basic military strategy and tactics out the window. Besides Lebensraum, the war in the East was really about the extermination of the Jewish people.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Wally
  94. @Wally

    打哈欠: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/why-jonnie-hargis-is-pathetic-and.html

    You can’t even conclusively locate 1% of the Jews sent to three camps over the course of 1.5 years. That’s sad. Your whole denier universe built on nothing but Nazi lies, and you can’t find ONE PERCENT.

    伤心!

    • 回复: @redmudhooch
    , @Wally
    , @renfro
    , @Wally
  95. Malla 说:
    @utu

    He did not want war, it was forced upon him. He wanted to create a better society with a combination of socialism and free market and to improve the standards of the German people in health, culture etc… free from globalist bankers. War was the last thing he ever wanted.

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  96. Anon[425]• 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I also think your use of sneer quotes in describing Holocaust denial — which Irving no longer engages in but certainly did at the same he very stupidly sued Deborah Lipstadt — is troubling… I can also demonstrate that Irving is, at the very least, a full-blown anti-Semite, although I suspect you know that.

    I don’t like the term ‘Holocaust Denial’ because it sounds like a religious concept. We are expected to worship Holocaust as some kind of faith. But when it comes to actual history, we either know or don’t know, believe or disbelieve what we are told. It’s not a matter of Denying.
    If someone knows little or nothing about the Ukraine Famine, he can’t be a called a Famine Denier. He just doesn’t know. Also, if his understanding of the Event runs counter to the account of the Ukrainian government, he is less a denier than a disbeliever of the Official Narrative. The current Ukrainian Narrative says 8 million died in the ‘Holodomor’. But there are studies that show the numbers were more likely 3.5 million. So, if one chooses the latter number, is he a ‘denier’?

    There are two kinds of people who muck up the Holocaust debate:

    Those who insist on Faith and Worship. So, we are to never question the 6 million figure. Never ask why there was such hostility toward Jews. Just believe that pure-as-snow 6 million Jews were killed for totally irrational reasons. This is a cult or neo-religion, not history.

    Then, you got those who have a hardon for Hitler Cult and Nazis OR hate Jewish Power so much that they are willing to believe that the Holocaust was just a big hoax. Hitler was just a misunderstood Nice Guy and if some Jews died, it was all an accident or due to typhus… or Hitler’s henchmen did it behind his back. These people are not interested in history. They just want to desecrate what has become holy to Jews. It’s all a quasi-religious battle between Holocaust iconographers and Holocaust iconoclasts.

    But then, same is true of some on the Left. Godfree Robert’s apologies for Mao are incredible, and they were actually commonplace prior to revelations of Mao’s true record under Deng. This sort of thing is more a psychological phenomenon, the need to worship something in our godless age. Maybe if Godfree became Godfull, he wouldn’t need false idols to worship. If Godfree Roberts believed as he did before the revelations of Mao’s monstrosities, it’d be somewhat understandable. But the fact that he continues to apologize for Mao even after so much of the truth has come out shows that some people have a certain psychological condition that must BELIEVE in something. I don’t think Godfree Roberts is evil. He is just ‘possessed’.

    David Irving was a sly kind of Holocaust Desecrator. He didn’t outright reject historical accounts or facts. He just played dumb or feigned ignorance on certain matters. Or, his standards for historical veracity on the subject became impossibly high. So, even though he was more than willing to accept the standard statistics on Stalin’s mass-killing, he demanded absolute proof on Nazi mass-killings. His double-standard readily accepted stats on leftist violence but insisted on absolute veracity when it came to Nazi mayhem. Irving could believe Stalin ordered all those mass-killings but played ‘where’s the beef?’ on Nazi mass-killings, i.e. unless some document connecting Hitler to the Holocaust could be unearthed, we were to remain skeptical of the Fuhrer’s responsibility. But this kind of moral logic is ridiculous. Hitler was the top dog and set the tone for Nazi Germany. Even if he didn’t give a directive for the mass killing, he was still responsible in the way that Mao was responsible for the mass deaths of Great Leap and Cultural Revolution. He set in the motion the terrible events and created a climate of total fanaticism.

    As for Lipstadt, she is a monster. When the Irving trial was unfolding, I sympathized with her because MSM gave the impression that Irving was against free speech, i.e. she opined about Irving and was sued for defamation. I figured no one should be sued for an opinion. But more recently, I learned that it was Lipstadt and her ilk who used muscle to prevent Irving’s work from being published. So, Irving was acting to defend his career as an important historian.

    Lipstadt is one of those monsters who toss the term ‘denier’ as a smear campaign against any counter-narrative thought-criminal. She even used the term against Ernest Nolte even though he never discounted the Holocaust Narrative. Nolte said the Nazis, though evil and destructive, were reacting to comparably evil and destructive forces of communism. But that made him a ‘denier’ according to Lipstadt. And given all the ludicrous antipathy toward Putin, Russia, Assad, Syria, and Iran from Jewish globalist power, I think more people are waking up the fact that MSM is full of crap.

    The recent Hollywood movie about Churchill has him being friendly with a Negro on a London subway. In fact, Churchill had very low opinion of dark folks and was a total imperialist who believed in British mastery over non-white subjects. Also, it’s funny that a historian can write awful things AS LONG AS they suck up to Jewish Power. Take Andrew Roberts who is favored by MSM. This guy wrote about how it was justified for the British Imperialists to mow down people in India to maintain order. But he gets a pass because he’s always sucking up to Zionists and so weepy-poo about the Holocaust. And consider all the academic hacks who are favored because they favor ‘new cold war’ with Russia and destruction of Syria and Libya.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/61052/white-man-the-job-bushs-imperial-historian

    As for Irving’s ‘antisemitism’, I don’t find that to be a problem. Where does it say that anyone must like a certain people? Many American scare-monger about Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Muslims, Mexicans, and etc. And many Jews express hostility toward Russians, White Evangelicals, Muslims, Palestinians, Iranians, Mormons, and etc. Who says anyone has to like anyone or any people? Plenty of people dislike Gypsies. Plenty of people are put off by Hindus. And plenty of Hindus are put off by Muslims. Mexicans love to bash gringos. So, why is it some kind of sin to not like Jews? Jews don’t have to like all peoples, and no people should be expected to like Jews as a cosmic law. But in the West, three peoples — Jews, blacks, and homos — MUST be liked. Why? It sounds supremacist to me. If blacks can dislike any people, any people should be free to dislike blacks.

    So, if Irving doesn’t like Jews, that’s okay… just like it’s okay if Jews don’t like Iranians or Russians. (Just read what Ann Applebaum has written on Russian people and culture.) With Irving, the problem is he let his personal feelings get in the way of assessing history, and that’s been a big minus. Eric Hobsbawm had a similar blindspot with Stalin even though he finally admitted that Stalin killed a lot of people.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/107966/eugene-genovese-eric-hobsbawm-age-of-extremes

    I think Irving’s worldview is, at the root, similar to that of Paul Johnson. Both are romantics of British Imperialism. They see it as mostly glorious than wicked. They believe the world benefited greatly as the White Man’s Burden. Brits were the rightful lords of the world. So, Johnson even makes light of the British opium trade in China and blamed the Chinese for becoming addicted to the stuff. Both mourn the passing of the Empire. Despite similar sentiments about the Empire, where they diverge is in the Why(the empire fell) and How(the Brits should cope in the New Order).
    Johnson blames Moral Relativism unleashed by WWI and overt German aggression. Instead of being more civil and well-mannered in international affairs, the Germans got too eager and boorish and messed things up for everyone.
    In contrast, Irving’s position is a harder version of Buchanan’s that the British should have sided with their racial brethren the Germans instead of fighting a Anglo vs German brothers’ war in both WWI and WWII. Irving sees Jews as mucking up the racial-brotherly relations between Anglos and Germans.

    I suspect Johnson privately has a lot of trepidation about Jews as well, but his hopes are like those of Jared Taylor. He believes the West has no choice but to be philosemitic because the Holocaust was too horrible and Jews have gotten too rich and powerful. So, unless the Right can win over Jews, it is at a serious disadvantage in moral and monetary terms.
    Therefore, Johnson’s shtick is that Antisemitism was really the result of Moral Relativism, Radical Modernity, and Teutonic irrationalism that were heroically countered by rational, moderate, and Christian civilization of the enlightened British Empire. So, Jews should NOT see Anglos and Germans as equal ‘racists’ but forge an alliance with Anglos as fellow enlightened imperialists who should rule over the world. The template for what the Saker calls the Anglo-Zionist World Order.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @peterAUS
  97. Malla 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    It goes against all common sense and I have a lot of it. Thank you. The world is full of educated fools unfortunately.

  98. Malla 说:
    @Anon

    Great post except that

    So, Johnson even makes light of the British opium trade in China and blamed the Chinese for becoming addicted to the stuff.

    It was at it’s core more of a Jewish Indian trade. Check out the Jewish Sassoons and Gujrati traders of Bombay who were a major driving force and profiteers of that trade.

  99. Lot 说:
    @Anon

    同意。

    Left out of Ron Unz’s defense is that the case that bankrupted Irving was a libel action brought by Irving as the plaintiff, and that Irving quite liberally sued and threatened to sue people for libel.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_v_Penguin_Books_Ltd

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @James Kabala
  100. utu 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    So why people keep saying “Hitler did not want any war” or that it was pushed on him?

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
    , @Jake
  101. Malla 说:
    @Rurik

    Britain’s declaration of war on Germany in WW2 should be studied as a case of civilisation-al and racial suicide.
    Third Reich Germany, unlike the Germany of the Kaiser, actually (initially) supported the British Empire as a bulwark against the communist menace. Indeed the Third Reich was more supportive of the British Empire than even the USA.
    The Soviet Union on the other hand was playing an active role in trying to destroy the British Empire from it’s very start and was a threat to the British way of life.
    And yet Britain allied with the Soviet Union and provided them with arms and material to destroy the Third Reich. THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER. Only a fool would believe this is normal and logical behaviour. Was Britain fighting for itself or for the interest of some other group?
    If Britain would have been neutral or if democratic Britain would have engineered a war where the Soviets and the National Socialists would destroy each other, it would have made sense. But what Britain did, makes no sense at all.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  102. @Andrew E. Mathis

    “I’m against those laws because I think they are counterproductive and provide too easy an excuse for Holocaust deniers to claim that they must be saying something right.”

    The implication being, you’re only opposed to them for pragmatic, political reasons, not because of commitment to free speech or open debate. (So if there were no political implcations, you’d have no issues with them.) Which of course is what people like Wally have been saying about you all along.

  103. @Andrew E. Mathis

    No one here needs to prove the holocaust story is bs. The Israelis do it every time they shoot a Palestinian child in the back. Every time they bulldoze a familys home. Every time they call for the extermination of Palestinians or Arabs in general. Every time they’re caught supporting genocidal cannibals like ISIS or Al Nusra. Every time the attempt to stir up another war and get Americans to die fighting it. Every time they call for censorship, every time the step on the Constitution.
    I believed it up till a few years ago, the Israelis and Zionists here in America convinced me it was a lie, not anyone here at Unz or the internet..
    Thats the predicament Zionists are in now, cause they’re not going to stop acting the way they do, they’ve been getting away with it for so long that they can’t stop or they will perish, they’ve gone too far and theres no turning back. Theres really nothing anyone can do to stop whats coming. Not good.
    When the truth comes out about 9/11 for all to see, they’re done in America as well. People are waking up, nothing you can do about that.

    • 回复: @Brewer
  104. Rurik 说:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Besides Lebensraum, the war in the East was really about the extermination of the Jewish people.

    不,不是

    it was about the extermination of Bolshevik murderous and genocidal commies, who had recently genocided several million of the best of the people under its Satanic reign in the most cruel and excruciating way imaginable.

    It was because Germany was threatened with the same fate, that Hitler invaded Russia.

    Nazism was a survival 响应 to genocidal Bolshevism. That most of the Bolsheviks were Jews, and because Jewish banksters in London and NYC had funded the Bolsheviks, and their subsequent reign of terror in Russia, is why Germany interned many Jews and others who they considered threats to Germany. Just as the US interned Japanese nationals for the same reason.

    Yet many loyal Jews served in the German army.

    If Hitter and the Nazis wanted to kill all the Jews, then they wouldn’t have filled ships full of them and allowed them to emigrate to the US and elsewhere. Nor would there have been millions upon millions of ‘Holocaust survivors’.

    Germany lost, and so the blood libels have become ever more shrill with each passing year.

    • 同意: Them Guys
  105. peterAUS 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I think they are counterproductive and provide too easy an excuse for Holocaust deniers to claim that they must be saying something right.

    当然。
    Now, people ruling there aren’t stupid. They must know that and, still, they push for those laws.
    Something………does……….not………..compute………here.

    One could surmise that there is really something not quite right there.

    我的意见:
    NUMBERS have certain impact on average person.
    It has to be a certain number to create a certain reaction, emotional of course.

    Then, more importantly, the current paradigm is built on the victory over Nazi Germany. As a sidenote not over, also, equally racist fascist Italy and definitely racist Japan. Germany.
    Interestingly enough, Japan racism was against Anglo-Saxons. German was against, well we know who re this very topic.
    The current paradigm is built on a certain ..ahm…truth/perception of truth/story…..about that victory.

    So, if you allow just a little bit of chipping of that….truth….you open a real chance of challenging the paradigm. Not only the power but the very social order.
    Dangerous………

    So, you nip the thing in the bud.

    And….hehe….now..I don’t really think that all of the people against those laws are just for freedom of speech.

    So, there is obvious, but unspoken, game play here.
    “We protect our power and social order by stomping on that right in this particular case”.
    vs
    “We want to challenge that power and the social order by having that right in this particular case”.

    …the law isn’t about Holocaust denial per se but rather a law against inciting racial hatred, and Holocaust denial included under that.

    Makes sense. On the surface.
    If one is to dig just a little below that surface something interesting pops up.
    Who are the people (race, ethnicity, even religion) who are at the receiving end of those laws.

    So, things aren’t so clear cut here as your side would like to believe.

    One could even say that more the power pushes for implementation of those laws more it appears it is worried about the current state of affairs.

  106. Rurik 说:
    @Malla

    Was Britain fighting for itself or for the interest of some other group?

    a rhetorical question to be sure.

    just as today, the West is engaged in murderous rapine the world over, and not one bit of it to benefit the citizens of England, France or the ZUSA.

    How, one wonders did it benefit France or England or America to bomb Libya into the stone age?

    How does it benefit France to menace Syria?

    are the millions of Muslim refugees pouring into Europe the side benefit to England and France?

    Or does it benefit the Fiend, who dreams of seeing every last British school girl force-impregnated until there isn’t one more Nazi (white European person) born in the British Isles? Or in France or the ZUS for that matter.

    The West is going through an upheaval, a tectonic shift, from enduring as a people and culture for thousands of years, to repudiating itself and bashing its future on the rocks of Rothschild’s Zion.

    We either have to demand that we be replaced, or we’re all Nazis.

    What other option is there?

  107. peterAUS 说:
    @Anon

    Good post overall, IMHO.
    Especially from:

    I don’t like the term ‘Holocaust Denial’ because it sounds like a religious concept….

    ….It’s all a quasi-religious battle between Holocaust iconographers and Holocaust iconoclasts.

  108. I have always been an admirer id David Irving and have two of his books, the millennium edition of “Hitlers’ War” and “The Last Crusade”, the latter his book on Nuremberg.

    I have listed to many of Irving’s lectures and have only found disagreement with him on a single point; the murder of Jews in the east. Sanning, a demographic statistician, has shown that the majority of Jews in the east were in fact transported into the Soviet Union. He was able to show this through research into all the available census data for that period of time.

    Also, the idea that the German Wehrmacht or the SS would execute people, bury them, and then return to exhume all of the graves to avoid an evidence of the crime makes little sense considering that units were the most professional military forces in world history as many historians have concluded. What highly professional military would come up with such a topsy-turvy plan?

    The other points I would like to make are one; that in later years David Irving showed that Adolph Hitler had been suffering for years from a heart ailment which increasingly got worse as the war years wore on. He suggested that this medical issue gave rise to his increasing in coherent decsion making at times.

    Second. the fighting in the east was some of the most brutal in modern history where even the famed German fighting men crouched in terror when not in combat due to the incessant and consistent attacks on their forces by Soviet partisan guerrillas that no amount of counterinsurgency operations could mitigate.

    Is it possible that the Jews who died in the east were the result of this brutal warfare beyond the individual atrocities that took place?

  109. Tyrion 2 说:
    @Lot

    Yes, it is comically absurd that people are declaring Irving a martyr for free speech when his really big court loss came from him trying to use the courts to shut down someone from criticising him.

    In particular, those who (rightly) argue that holocaust denial should not be a crime are desperate to prostrate themselves before someone who tried to legally prohibit another from calling him a ‘holocaust denier”.

    What an amazing line of logic that would be! It’s dandy, even admirable, to be a ‘holocaust denier’…but its horribly libellous to call someone out on it…

  110. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Why would anyone trust psychopath Andrew Mathis? He’s a known stalker and attacker of free speech advocates. The word is that he calls the workplace of those he thinks are Revisionists, he calls their supposed homes, he even posts the addresses, phone numbers & pictures like wanted posters of those he thinks are Revisionists. Ask Run Unz. Ron deleted some of his criminal crap at this very website.
    He now has me, two guy who post at CODOH, and yet another guy as being about TEN different people, one guy we are all supposed to be is dead. LOL
    Only a psychopath behaves like he behaves. Sad, but true.

    Then the not too bright Mathis tries the desperate & illogical ‘Where did they go/’ canard.
    Yet Jews & their “Holocaust Industry” say that ’6M Jews & 5M others’ went to huge mass graves, they claim to know the exact locations of these alleged enormous mass graves, yet they cannot show us the alleged massive human remains.
    So pyscho-Mathis, show us your alleged remains of millions of Jews.
    推荐的:
    See here, some links about Jews being moved around, & much more.:
    'J. 格拉夫和不合逻辑的鸭ard:“犹太人当时去哪儿了?” / & 更多的'
    viewtopic.php?f = 2&t = 8272
    Postwar locations of Jews? Child’s play:
    “That shitty little country” Israel, US, S. America, Australia, wherever Jews are.

    Unz readers, see even more on Andrew Mathis here, 用他自己的话说. Oops:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  111. Wally 说:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    说过:
    “In it he details how even in retreat from the Eastern Front, with the Red Army at their heels, the Wehrmacht were directed to assist SS units like Einsatzgruppen in the killing of Jews.”

    真的吗? So then, show us these “details”, show us the orders to the Wehrmacht where they were supposedly “directed to assist SS units like Einsatzgruppen in the killing of Jews.”
    We’re waiting. While you’re at, show us the alleged massive remains that are supposedly known to exist.

    欺诈性“大屠杀\$t”行业现在声称大约是这样。 2,000,000 名犹太人被 Einsatzgruppen 射入巨大的坑中,所以,任何人,请向我们展示实际的挖掘、巨大的万人坑和据称存在的遗迹,据称它们的位置是已知的。
    就是它:
    100个20,000个坟墓?
    200个10,000个坟墓?
    400个5,000个坟墓?
    500个4,000个坟墓?
    1000个2000个坟墓?
    2000个1000个坟墓?

    推荐的:
    ‘The Einsatzgruppen Trial’ / from the journal, Inconvenient History.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11791
    和: 前Einsatzgruppen成员拒绝大规模射击的怪异主张/ Babi Yar等
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

    http://www.codoh.com

  112. renfro 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You can’t even conclusively locate 1% of the Jews sent to three camps over the course of 1.5 years.

    Er…..its you and the H-Industry that can’t locate them.

  113. Incitatus 说:
    @Wally

    All that bold text Wally. Sweating profusely? Working yourself into a panic attack?

    Remember Al Rosenberg’s advice: “Please, take a deep breath. Calm down. Call Mrs. Wally (is she wearing a helmet?). Breathe in. Breathe out. Say out loud ‘the world is not flat. It’s not my fault. Hitler is dead. It’s not my fault. The world understands. It’s not my fault.”

    Helpful hint: Aside from “it’s not my fault” Al used to whisper “nicht schuldig” [“not guilty”] to himself all the time. Second thoughts about invasions, extermination or child kidnapping – you guessed it – forgotten in an instant! Came in handy at Nüremberg too!

    • 回复: @Wally
  114. @Steve Naidamast

    Good comment. Also, there is no archeological evidence that these claimed, massive exhumations took place; not to mention, the disposal method – open air cremations – is absurd. And as Wally has noted, cremains don’t exactly vanish, in fact they can cause great environmental damage to plant life, something not observed at places like Treblinka.

  115. @CanSpeccy

    You just admitted Hitler started the war.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  116. @utu

    So why people keep saying “Hitler did not want any war” or that it was pushed on him?

    Hitler did not want war with Britain while invading Russia, hence, presumably, his expression of admiration for the British empire, Hess’s peace mission to Britain, etc.

    Why people claims Hitler did not want the war in the East that he said he wanted is more difficult to understand. But since wars of aggression are both illegal and immoral, I suppose the Nazi apologists here wish to deny Germany’s guilt.

  117. @jilles dykstra

    That is correct, Auschwitz supplied the thousands of laborers needed each shift for the adjacent, huge Monowitz complex, that made many different military items needed by Germany, like making fuel and tires from artificial sources, like coal.

    But you’ll never see that in a Speilberg movie.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  118. peterAUS 说:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Forgive me, but I 必须 问。

    How do you….manage….. writing this:

    ….units were the most professional military forces in world history as many historians have concluded.

    ….even the famed German fighting men crouched in terror when not in combat due to the incessant and consistent attacks on their forces by Soviet partisan guerrillas that no amount of counterinsurgency operations could mitigate.

    Seriously, how do you put those two paragraphs in one post?

    You…..send an impression that you are mature and educated person.
    So…how do you do that?

    How can a German military unit, when not in combat be under incessant and consistent attack by partisan guerrillas?
    Not in combat/under incessant and consistent attack, relationship.
    Then, members of the most professional, hence competent, hence efficient, military vs guerrillas, crouch in terror?

    What’s your method?
    请。

    I know of cases where German unit (say, from squad up) was in shock due to overwhelming artillery fire/bombing run on their position. Or individuals in shock in intensive combat with heavy own casualties. All those involved enemy at least equal in size/weaponry. Especially in weaponry.
    I don’t know one case where a German unit (say, from squad up) was “crouching in terror” under partisan attack.
    Would you be so kind to point to relevant source, please? Just one.

  119. Jake 说:
    @utu

    Who claims that Hitler did not want 任何 战争?

    Hitler clearly wished to move German rule eastward across almost all Slavic lands, and he would have been tickled to kill as many as necessary.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @jilles dykstra
  120. peterAUS 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Agree with most in your posts in this thread.
    The element I feel you are missing a bit is the race when understanding Nazi push against Soviet Union.
    Nazis and Slavs. Not Communists. Slavs.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  121. KenH 说:

    希特勒的战争 by David Irving is highly recommended for serious students of WWII history. Irving taught himself German and his information is based on primary sources and he spoke to many of the primary personalities during that time. This book wasn’t penned in the ivory towers of academia.

    Irving’s also one of the very few historians who can write dispassionately and objectively about Hitler and the national socialists, so every 3-4 pages isn’t filled with denunciations, condemnations and bile towards them. Albert Seaton and John Toland are two notable historian who’ve been able to paint objective portrayals of the Germans during WWII.

    The only gripe is that on several occasions Irving alludes to the holocaust as being a real event, but this book was published long before he changed his mind based on further research into the matter.

  122. Incitatus 说:
    @Malla

    “He [Hitler] did not want war, it was forced upon him.”

    Who forced it on him”

    “He [Hitler] wanted to create a better society with a combination of socialism and free market and to improve the standards of the German people in health, culture etc… free from globalist bankers.”

    Is that why he imprisoned tens of thousands of political opponents? Murdered loyal SA, chancellor Schleicher and his wife, and dozens of others in Operation Hummingbird? Assassinated Dollfuß in an unsuccessful coup? Illegally rearmed, then revoked Versailles and reinstituted conscription? Engineered Anschluß and Müncher Abkommen? Invaded rump Czechoslovakia and Poland? Invaded Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, France?. Invaded North Africa, Yugoslavia, Greece, Crete, Eastern Poland, USSR? Declared war on the USA? Killed 200,000 helpless Germans in Aktion T4?

    All because he “wanted to create a better society with a combination of socialism and free market”? Why did he chose to do it in everybody else’s country?

    “War was the last thing he [Hitler] ever wanted”

    Why was war the first option he chose?

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @jilles dykstra
  123. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    说过:
    “Who forced it on him”

    The “Allies” forced war on Germany. Pay attention.

    说过:
    “Is that why he imprisoned tens of thousands of political opponents? Murdered loyal SA, chancellor Schleicher and his wife, and dozens of others in Operation Hummingbird? Assassinated Dollfuß in an unsuccessful coup? Illegally rearmed, then revoked Versailles and reinstituted conscription? Engineered Anschluß and Müncher Abkommen? Invaded rump Czechoslovakia and Poland? Invaded Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, France?. Invaded North Africa, Yugoslavia, Greece, Crete, Eastern Poland, USSR? Declared war on the USA? Killed 200,000 helpless Germans in Aktion T4?
    All because he “wanted to create a better society with a combination of socialism and free market”? Why did he chose to do it in everybody else’s country?”

    – What political opponents? Communist thugs? Yep and rightly so.
    – Traitors? You bet, everyone did & does go after them.
    – So no one else had conscription? LOL
    – Took back Germany’s land and protected it’s people. Yep, & rightly so.
    – BTW, it’s called WWII, those who aided & abetted Germany’s enemies were asking for trouble.
    – How can Germany “invade” N. Africa when N. Africa had already been invaded by Britain & France? Empires are a bitch.
    – The Allies did nothing when the communist USSR invaded Finland, Poland and numerous other countries.
    – The Allies did nothing when Poland seized part of Czechoslovakia.
    – Nothing illegal about a country arming itself. Everyone else did and does.
    – As has shown repeatedly. you have no proof for your laughably alleged ‘200,000 murders within the T4 euthanasia program, which exist everywhere today.

    ssaid: “Why was war the first option he chose?”

    – Is wasn’t. Simple.
    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  124. Stonehands 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You’re not supposed to pound the troll button after you’ve lost the debate, moron!

  125. Wally 说:
    @Jake

    For which you have no proof. Empty talk.

    If Hitler wanted to, then he would have.

    “我们常常幻想着对希特勒本人提出起诉。 并在该起诉书中加入主要指控:欧洲犹太人问题的最终解决方案,犹太人的人身an灭。 然后它突然降临在我们身上,我们该怎么办? 我们没有证据。”
    ——“大屠杀历史学家”劳尔·希尔伯格

    http://www.codoh.com

  126. Wally 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    So then you are a Empire apologist.

    Germany’s guilt for what?

    http://www.codoh.com

  127. @David In TN

    You just admitted Hitler started the war.

    所以呢?

    • 回复: @David In TN
  128. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    打哈欠。
    You’re in over your slow Zionist head.
    My responses to you make you look ridiculous, because you’re defending and easily debunked lie.
    Here’s even more for you:
    奥斯威辛/比克瑙化学

    大屠杀手册,纪录片和视频
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    Still waiting for you to show us the millions of Jew remains that Jews claim exist in known locations.
    http://www.codoh.com

  129. Wally 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Oh my, just for a perverted criminal like yourself:

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  130. renfro 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    long history with David Irving, including having met him personally in New York in 2003 (where he autographed my copy of Denying the Holocaust, by Deborah Lipstadt),

    You know… I knew what you are the minute I read that comment. The kind of petty Jew lurking in the shadows, their beady eyes darting around, watching the gentile trade with jealousy, greed and resentment…..the kind that twain and t.s. Elliot described so well.
    Only a Jew like yourself would think that such an insult is something to brag about.

    Only a Jew like you would threaten a lady for refusing to help him destroy the career and name of someone who disagreed with his Jewish holocaust cult:

    [更多]

    http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/fci/andysjew.html
    FROM: “Andrew E Mathis”
    TO: [电子邮件保护]
    DATE: Sun, 5 Jan 2003
    Subject: Fred Leuchter
    Andrew E Mathis wrote:
    亲爱的李女士:

    I am a board member of the Holocaust History Project (http://www.thhp.org/ ) a non-profit Holocaust education foundation based physically in San Antonio, Texas, but operating with a worldwide membership primarily as a Web presence.

    We got a tip from someone that you had had personal correspondence with Fred Leuchter, he of the film *Mr. Death* and the Zündel Holocaust denial trial in Canada. In your correspondence with Mr. Leuchter, he indicates that he is an engineer. He has been legally barred from representing himself as such in the state of Massachusetts, where he indicates he is writing from.

    While I realize this is a large request from someone that you don’t know from Adam, would it be possible for you to forward, with the full headers, the e-mails you received from Leuchter, if you are still in possession of them? Mr. Leuchter has apparently broken the law, and there is no time limit on the agreement he signed wherein he agreed not to represent himself as an engineer in the state of Massachusetts.

    Speaking for myself, I am not interested in pursuing the personal ruin of Fred Leuchter; he’s done that just fine himself. What I am interested in doing is making sure that Leuchter does not further violate the law by representing himself as something that he is not.
    If such behavior as Leuchter’s is not controlled, the entire process of expert witnesses in civil and criminal trials can be brought into jeopardy.

    I would greatly appreciate your assistance in this matter. I will gladly answer any questions you may have. I look forward to hearing from you.

    敬上,

    Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D.

    Mr. Mathis. Indeed, you are right. You are a total stranger and Your request is a bit offensive.
    I’m sorry, but I cannot be a part of the continued effort to destroy this man’s life when all I can see is that he used the tools and knowledge at his disposal at the time (so long ago) and came up with a decision a lot of people don’t agree with.
    Goodness, You are part of such a wonderful and powerful group that you could do so much good if all your energy were put into something positive, instead of making an example out of this man. Do you plan to haunt him unto death? That’s a bit unGodly, don’t you think?
    I just spent a year working with the most wonderful Jewish man of all (in my heart), Richard “Dick” Korn, PhD. He accomplished great things because he was not bogged down with a hatred of Mr. Leuchter, nor of any other man. If you want to be a credit to your religion, you must get on to things of more urgency to your creator.
    I don’t keep old emails and if I did, I wouldn’t send them. You’ll have to set up your own correspondence with Mr. Leuchter. Besides, everything I have from Mr. Leuchter is on the website.
    I do hope you find peace in forgiveness.
    李凯

    至: [电子邮件保护]
    CC: [电子邮件保护]
    From: “Andrew E Mathis”
    Subject: Re: Fred Leuchter
    Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:18:51 -0800 (PST)
    Kay Lee wrote:

    ” Mr. Mathis. Indeed, you are right. You are a total stranger and Your request is a bit offensive. I’m sorry, but I cannot be a part of the continued effort to destroy this man’s life when all I can see is that he used the tools and knowledge at his disposal at the time (so long ago) and came up with a decision a lot of people don’t agree with.”

    Mr. Mathis wrote:

    Ms. Lee, he did quite a bit more than that. Quite simply, he lied. Under oath, to boot. If you think that his conclusions are of no importance, then consider that he got paid \$35,000 Canadian for them. Consider also that the man who paid him is a sworn neo-Nazi who once co-authored a book entitled *The Hitler We Loved and Why*. If Fred Leuchter was willing to undertake his “work” and deny the Holocaust and claims that he is unaware that this is a neo-Nazi endeavor, then he is either (1) lying or (2) the most stupid man in the world.

    ” Goodness, You are part of such a wonderful and powerful group that you could do so much good if all your energy were put into something positive, instead of making an example out of this man. Do you plan to haunt him unto death? That’s a bit unGodly, don’t you think? ”

    I for one would not dare to guess the mind of God. And I wonder what “powerful group” I’m a part of, but we’ll leave that one for the moment.

    ‘” I just spent a year working with the most wonderful Jewish man of all (in my heart), Richard “Dick” Korn, PhD. He accomplished great things because he was not bogged down with a hatred of Mr. Leuchter, nor of any other man. If you want to be a credit to your religion, you must get on to things of more urgency to your creator. ”

    Wow. I wasn’t aware that wonderful men fell into two categories: Jews and non-Jews.

    But I digress: You claim that I hate Mr. Leuchter. I do not hate him, nor could I, because I do not know him. Nevertheless, I despite what he stands for, which is the continued attempt to rehabilitate National Socialism by denying the deaths of twelve million completely innocent human beings. If you don’t think there’s something evil about that, then I think you need to adjust your moral compass.

    As for my “getting on,” Fred Leuchter is nothing but a blip on rather large radar. He’s been professionally refuted three times — once by one of my colleagues, so effectively, in fact, that David Irving (a Jew-hating Holocaust denier and one of Leuchter’s principal defenders) was forced to withdraw a report from another “expert,” Germar Rudolf, because it was so inferior by comparison.
    Leuchter’s continuing error, in my opinion, is two-fold: (1) He either plays dumb or is dumb about the evil nature of his work for Zündel; and (2) He is in direct violation of a court order. Had I more time at my disposal and a real mean streak, I could just call the Massachusetts Department of Justice and have all of these things subpoenaed, and Leuchter could end up in jail, paying a fine, or both. But as I said, I have no interest in destroying a man who has already self-destructed. I have an interest in protecting the judicial process in my country — a process that is daily being eroded in the name of national security.”

    This goes way beyond the Holocaust for me, Ms. Lee. Our system of justice is endangered by those who flagrantly violate our laws, as Mr. Leuchter and you, as an accessory, have done.

    ”I don’t keep old emails and if I did, I wouldn’t send them. You’ll have to set up your own correspondence with Mr. Leuchter. Besides, everything I have from Mr. Leuchter is on the website.”

    I would suggest you remove the materials regarding Mr. Leuchter from your Web site for your own good. There are people in this world far more vindictive than me who would, in fact, like to see Leuchter in jail or bankrupt. And they’ll be the ones filing a case in the Massachusetts courts, not me.

    “”I do hope you find peace in forgiveness.”

    Frankly, Ms. Lee, I am content that I am doing God’s work.

    I hope you sleep well tonight.

    安德鲁·马西斯(Andrew Mathis)

    FURTHERMORE….you are not a member of some world wide group and your web site is defunct , your ‘ holocaust foundation’ consist of 8 other nutcase Jews. You are only a’ adjunct’ Professor hired to teach one holocaust course and you are not a member of the Villanova faculty.
    In short you are a nobody loser Jew using the holocaust to try and make yourself somebody and get attention and since being a Jew is all you’ve got in your sicko life the only club you have to attacker your betters is the ‘denier’ and’ anti semite’ hurl.
    Holocaust History Project is defunct http://www.spitecast.com/aemathisphd/http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_History_Project

    I think you need a lesson in manners…there’s a lot of your libelous, threatening and profane crap out on the net…lets send it to Villanova and see if they cant find a better adjunct’ than you.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Alden
  131. Svigor 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Leftists have invested everything in their Narrative.

  132. Svigor 说:
    @Moi

    Gotta be a retard to think being a “vassal” of the USA isn’t preferable to being a vassal of Nazi Germany or the USSR.

    • 回复: @Wally
  133. Svigor 说:
    @Malla

    Yeah, it’s very weird. Best bet would have been to either stay out of it, let Germany and Russia annihilate each other, or aid the weaker player, Germany, enough to balance and thus prolong the conflict. Aiding the more powerful, murderous, and barbarous regime, the USSR, seems like insanity.

  134. Svigor 说:
    @Desert Fox

    HITLER COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED

    Yale historian Henry Ashby Turner has made a career out of debunking myths about German history. In his 1986 book 德国大企业与希特勒的崛起 he painstakingly refuted the Marxist dogma that large corporations funded Hitler’s rise to power.

    • 回复: @KenH
  135. Svigor 说:
    @Anonymous

    Hell if I know. If they were murdered by the Nazi regime, there should be an overabundance of forensic evidence. If the leftist regime were confident, they’d have found it already; it’s the crime of the millenium, after all.

    If memory serves, censuses should show tens and tens of millions fewer people after the war than before; did Hitler gas all of them, too?

    P.S., isn’t THE holocaust supposed to have claimed 12m lives? Or are the non-Jews just chopped liver not worth mentioning?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Alden
  136. @peterAUS

    The element I feel you are missing a bit is the race when understanding Nazi push against Soviet Union.

    Perhaps the territorial ambition came first, the racism second.

    If you are going to steal territory and kill or enslave the inhabitants, its awkward if they are the same blued-eyed Nordic type as yourself, especially if they are children of the same God. But if they’re Catholics or Orthodox or Slavs or whatever, and you’re a Lutheran, then no prob.

    As non-Christians, and as among the chief architects of the anti-Christian Bolshevik revolution and the short-lived, post WW1 Bolshevik regimes in Bavaria and Hungary, Jews were naturally primary targets for slaughter in German Nazi-occupied territory. Often the killings was conducted by local nationalists, acting with German encouragement, although where the local Christians would not kill their Jewish neighbors, as according to Solzhenitsyn in Belorus, then the Germans carried out the extermination program themselves.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  137. Svigor 说:

    Aren’t Jews kinda famous for not liking anyone counting them? I seem to recall them fighting insurrections in ancient times over the issue (maybe having to do with the taxes supposed to follow? My memory’s hazy).

    Don’t some Jews claim a religious injunction against censuses of Jews, something to do with part of their scriptures saying Jews will be “uncountable”?

    Mightn’t a great many Jews have had good reason not to want to be counted, after WWII? In fact, isn’t this a big part of American Jews’ explanation for why they’ve successfully lobbied to keep the issue of religion off of US census forms, making USA one more place where only Jews are allowed to count Jews?

    • 回复: @Wally
  138. anon111 说:

    one of the things i find interesting is that imo the Holodomor was virtually unknown to Americans until maybe the last two years with internet memes and then OTOH you have for ex the Spanish Inquisition, which i heard about maybe a few times every year and was led to believe was ghastly and horrific. A few weeks ago i finally did some reading on the SI and according to wikipedia during its most active period, 2000 people were killed over fifty years. Apparently the worst thing about it was that 99% of the victims were jews. Then going back to the Holodomor you have 5-10 million (white Christian) victims and its perpetrated by bolshevik (jews?) and nobody’s ever heard of it.

    same thing going on with the holocaust – 58 million people died in WW2 but only the jews matter?

    • 回复: @Wally
  139. @Malla

    Malla, to support my assertion that the Soviet Union paid the United States gold bullion for shipments of war supplies, I offer the case of HMS Edinburgh, a WWII Royal Navy cruiser sunk April 30, 1942 near Murmansk, while carrying 465 gold bars from the Soviet Union destined for the United States Treasury in payment for a convoy of war materiel. Note the early date, less than 5 months after America’s entry into WWII, and the large size of the payment( a 1981 salvage operation of HMS Edinburgh recovered 431 ingots weighing over 5 tons).

    • 回复: @Alden
  140. KenH 说:
    @Svigor

    Hitler as a creation and tool of the capitalists was always another neat and tidy Marxist narrative.

  141. @Svigor

    It’s 11M. But Organized Jewry has admitted even this number is fake after Trump made an acknowledgement of ALL victims of Nazism. They were forced to admit the “5M others” was just a fabrication to stir up a non-Jewish stake in the Holocaust. You know what they say about lying once.

    • 回复: @Momus
  142. peterAUS 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Perhaps the territorial ambition came first, the racism second.

    或许是吧。

    Or, perhaps, there was something 其他 有。
    Something not easily explained by rational approach and analysis.

    I don’t pretend to even start understanding that, but, I can recognize…something.

    There is/was something in Nazi ideology that… resonates….for a lack of better word.

    This isn’t the time and place to discuss it and I really don’t think this Website would be up to a task, but, there is 一些东西。

    Even BBC made that “The Occult History of the Third Reich” in attempt to fill the picture. Couldn’t, of course.

    Yup, easy to dismiss all that and move on, hands down.

    But, for some people, that creates the “splinter”

    从 0:43 到 1:10。

    TPTBs know something about that. At least that it exists and mustn’t be allowed to pop up, again.
    Jews, everywhere, feel and fear it. The one thing that definitely brings all of them together, no mater what.
    Slavs too…..Russians in particular.

    无论如何。

    • 同意: Rurik
    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  143. Wally 说:
    @Svigor

    How is that? Please explain

    And who says that’s the choice?

    http://www.codoh.com

  144. Wally 说:
    @anon111

    And the Jew part of that WWII “holocaust” is an easily debunked lie.

    http://www.codoh.com

  145. utu 说:
    @renfro

    Wow. Ms. Kay Lee summed up this Andrew Mathis character pretty well:

    In short you are a nobody loser Jew using the holocaust to try and make yourself somebody and get attention and since being a Jew is all you’ve got in your sicko life the only club you have to attacker your betters is the ‘denier’ and’ anti semite’ hurl.

    Good job bringing it up.

    • 回复: @Wally
  146. Wally 说:
    @Svigor

    的确。
    所谓的犹太人数目完全是胡说八道。 还有很多很多,然后他们继续下去。
    大多数犹太人不是“宗教”人士,因此在有关宗教的人口普查问题中,他们不会说自己是犹太人。 他们仍然认为自己是犹太人。 他们想让您以为自己是很少和无助的受害者,而事实上他们通过自己的行动对自己产生了极大的不满。

    根据犹太法律,犹太人应避免被计数。

    “正如先知所说,实际上不能直接数犹太人(塔木德,约马22b):”“以色列子民的数目应像海中的沙,不得量数也不要数。”
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/896203/jewish/Laws-of-Counting-Jews.htm

    和:
    “为什么禁止计数犹太人?”
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18472

    “我们圣经部分的这首诗教导说,禁止计算以色列人的数量,这是犹太组织经常参与的人口普查活动。 先知何西阿(第 2 章)强化了这一禁令,他宣称:“以色列人的数目必如海沙,不可数也数不胜数……”从历史上看,甚至大卫王也学会了这个命令的权力的痛苦教训,当他违背他的总司令约押的意愿时,他下令进行人口普查,以色列人遭受了瘟疫(撒母耳记下,24)。 ”

    和:

    “我们不是奇迹般地达成了《巴弗尔宣言》,而是 通过持续的宣传不断展现我们人民的生命力量。 我们告诉有关当局:无论您是否愿意,我们都会在巴勒斯坦建立自己的机构。 您可以加快我们的到来,也可以同样延迟。 但是,最好是您向我们提供帮助,以避免我们的建设性力量转变为将推翻世界的破坏性力量。”

    –世界犹太复国主义领袖[以色列第一任总统]查姆·魏兹曼(Chaim Weizmann),1年1919月在耶路撒冷发表讲话。

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 同意: Svigor
    • 回复: @Them Guys
  147. Alden 说:
    @Bombercommand

    Correct that lend lease was before the US was a combatant and it was a transfer of ships and other material to Britain, not Russia.

    • 回复: @Wally
  148. Alden 说:
    @Bombercommand

    Who sunk the cruiser? German navy? Maybe the Soviet’s did it to get their gold back.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  149. anon[317]• 免责声明 说:

    I observe that the very establishment of a division of the earth into nation states, implies that Pharaohs will find ways to use the resources the nation state sucks from those it governs, not to protect the governed slaves, but to allow the Pharaohs and their corporations to use the awesome national resources assembled from the governed, to enslave, threaten, regulate, murder, control and exploit the governed. Basically the Pharaohs and their corporations, work through the middle men, but they use the nation state as a whip(weapon).
    I have often wondered why humanity allows this to happen. 8 billion humans and fewer than a million own it all, control it all, and enjoy it all, while the rest survive as best they can.

  150. Wally 说:
    @utu

    quote about Andrew Mathis:

    “In short you are a nobody loser Jew using the holocaust to try and make yourself somebody and get attention and since being a Jew is all you’ve got in your sicko life the only club you have to attacker your betters is the ‘denier’ and’ anti semite’ hurl.”

    纯金。

    Plus the primate & criminal stalking pervert Mathis doesn’t even know the story that he tries to uphold.

    http://www.codoh.com

  151. Alden 说:
    @Svigor

    Standard Jewish propaganda is that all non Jews in German occupied territory were evil collaborators whose only interest was killing Jews and streaking their property.

    The Jewish publications blame all of Europe, even the neutral countries for the horrible holocaust.

  152. Crimson2 说:

    The morons who deny the Holocaust deserve that fate themselves. If it happens, I promise to never pretend that it didn’t. In fact, I’ll celebrate the anniversary.

  153. Wally 说:
    @Alden

    事实:
    The US was attacking German vessels long before the US was a 声明 combatant.

  154. Crimson2 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Geez, Ron. You run a shitty website that attracts the worst people on the internet. You truck in mindless conspiracies and have the gall to attack the media. It won’t be long till one of your bloggers shoots up a Waffle House and this whole insane pile of cards comes crashing down.

    Try to run for office again and see how it goes. I’ll expose your bullshit personally.

  155. Alden 说:
    @renfro

    Great post Renfro. Thanks for doing the research to out Mathias. I’ve noticed that holocaust activism is both social climbing and a great means of grant hustling.

    • 回复: @renfro
  156. @Andrew E. Mathis

    There’s a middle ground between all truth and all lies, is there not?

    You mean, we should split the difference between truth and Jew lies and settle at 3 million?

    Ya, that should do it.

    You’re losing the debate to truth, goy-hater.

    Ten more years should finish off the Holy Hoax Industry.

  157. Wally 说:
    @Crimson2

    Oh my, we’re so scared. Ron too, no doubt. LOL

    You must live in ‘Israel’.

    So show us what’s wrong with what you want suppressed here.
    Of course, you can’t.

    Your cognitive dissonance has gotten the best of you.
    Only liars try to prevent free speech.

    remember this:

    “大屠杀”的故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的故事之一。 这就是为什么质疑它的人被逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力、种族主义和享有特权的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查的原因。 什么样的真理否定言论自由和寻求真理的自由? 只有骗子才需要审查。

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  158. anon111 说:

    re the Balfour Declaration, what was in it for the British to give Palestine to the Jews?

    i’ve seen people speculate that the Jews promised to use their American media outlets to whip up a pro-war sentiment to get the U.S. into WWI on the side of the British but it seems like if there was evidence of this there would have been a huge scandal.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  159. anon111 说:
    @Crimson2

    Geez, Ron. You run a shitty website that attracts the worst people on the internet. You truck in mindless conspiracies and have the gall to attack the media.

    you prob believe Assad gassed his own people right after Trump said he was going to pull the troops out of Syria

  160. renfro 说:
    @Alden

    lol……..yea I hate bullies like this squirt.

    Total loser who thinks to himself what can I do to have some power?….and the only thing he can come up with is…”hey I’m a Jew so maybe I can use that to try and over power people and make them fear me”.

    I’ve seen his kind before.

  161. Brewer 说:
    @redmudhooch

    Good comment. I too entered this controversy through the back door of the Israel/Palestine conflict when I detected that something was not quite right with the established narrative. I am now appalled at my former self, standing on a chair cheering the Israelis in ’67.
    Having studied History at graduate level in youth I began to look into Palestine about the time when the “New Historians” were publishing. Quite frankly, it changed my view of the validity of Historical method and the way it is taught (not to mention the politically motivated manipulation of what I had thought to be a pure science). Howard Zinn opened my eyes to other systemic failures.
    I concluded that the great narratives of History are mostly false. They are the fables of their time.
    I think Irving does a brilliant job of History. He sets out to get into the mind of Hitler, leaving aside the prejudices that bowdlerize other triers. His “Hitler’s War” offers readers an opportunity to view the man, not the arch-villain of fantasy novels.

    Given that the Holocaust narrative is so intrinsic to the Zionist view of the World and the Palestinian situation is so often presented as a solution or recompense for it, it is inevitable that Holocaust veracity enters the debate.
    I cannot pretend to any special knowledge of the subject but, from what I have learned, the established narrative is flawed. For this reason alone, attempts to outlaw revisionism is, in my opinion, wrong.
    It will, I sincerely hope, soon become instantly recognizable that labels such as “holocaust denier”, “anti-Semite” etc. are, to debate, what chemical weapons are to warfare – indiscriminate, unconscionable and evil.

  162. Momus 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    No one can know the number murdered and nor does it really matter.

    What is beyond any doubt is that Hitler’s Nazis prepared the ideological ground and constructed a massive slave labor and extermination apparatus to exploit, cause the death of, and murder Europe’s Jews.

    The evidence of a monumental crime and the perpetrators gargantuan efforts to hide the evidence is overwhelming.

    A very small benthic community of deniers and Jew haters chews away at this carcass but those who matter, the vast majority broadly accept the truth of evil Nazis without having to masticate the details.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @anon111
    , @Svigor
  163. I just want to express my deep gratitude to Ron Unz for his incredible work in imagining, building and maintaining this website.

    • 回复: @Svigor
  164. MrB 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Eyewitness statements are indeed always part of the record of events, but that doesn’t automatically make them correct. As for all eyewitnesses to the holocaust being deliberately liars that’s not how it was. Rumours spread and frightened people connected dots that weren’t actually there. Some heard there were gas chambers and that all those chosen would be killed instantly after arrival at Auschwitz etc.

    Additionally we heard many times that a large number from any jewish family arrived at Auschwitz only to never see them again. The claim thereafter has always been these people were gassed. The truth of that scenario is simple; people were separated by age and gender and then had their hair shaved and changed into a uniform. Thus they would not be recognisable in any event. Indeed testimony of exactly that has been seen many times. Also many inmates were sent elsewhere in the large (40sq km) camp for work, for that’s what Auschwitz was, a work camp.

    No surprise that many never saw their relatives again.

    Take a modern view on this process. 911 we were told on the day and for some time after had up to 20,000+++ people in the towers and that could been the death toll. Happily it turned out to be less than 3000. Are there still people claiming 20,000+++ dead? No because people knew the truth.

    • 回复: @Svigor
    , @Svigor
  165. @Jake

    What Britain feared was Germany’s economic expansion to the south east, what they also feared before the first world war.
    劳伦斯·R·普拉特(Lawrence R.Pratt),《苏伊士以西的马耳他东部》,伦敦,1975年
    爱德华·米德·厄尔(Edward Mead Earle)博士,《土耳其,大国与巴格达铁路,帝国主义研究》,1923年,1924年,纽约

  166. @Incitatus

    ” Illegally rearmed, then revoked Versailles and reinstituted conscription? ”

    How illegally ?
    When someone is blackmailed into signing an ‘agreement’ in any system of justice that agreement is null and void.
    When the Weimar Republic signed in Versailles already 900.000 Germans had died of hunger because Britain had continued the blockade.
    The food situation in Germany was such that British occupation troops were on the verge of insurrection.
    It takes too much space and time to reject the other nonsense.

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  167. @CanSpeccy

    Nobody ever was able to define ‘war of agression’.
    But Hitler’s attack on Russia was defensive:
    Bogdan Musial,“ Kampfplatz Deutschland,斯大林斯·克里格斯普莱恩·根根·韦斯特恩”,柏林,2008年
    The initial success of the Wehrmacht was that Stalin had planned the attack three weeks after Hitler attacked.
    The Red Army was in disarray.

  168. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    Benthic Wally at it again.

    Not all speech is free speech. If you incite hate and promulgate violence against a certain group in your society you are breaking the social contract.

    That certain species of denier dog whistling is as socially undesirable as someone with a full blown infectious disease like Ebola lying that they are clean.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @anon111
    , @Wally
    , @Svigor
  169. Ivan K. 说: • 您的网站
    @Abelard Lindsey

    Terrific. Thanks to your comment, I’m leafing through “Hitler’s Second Book” already.

  170. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon111

    If there was evidence that 9/11 was an inside job would that generate a huge scandal?

    So then?

  171. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    What is beyond any doubt is that Hitler’s Nazis prepared the ideological ground and constructed a massive slave labor and extermination apparatus

    What exactly was this extermination apparatus? I grew up sincerely believing in the gas chambers and yet, after careful consideration, I’m now convinced that no homocidal gas chambers ever existed. I’m also inclined to believe that most of the deaths were due to what Assange calls the ‘squalor of war’ and, after reading a letter from one of the camp commandants to his superior, I am also inclined to believe that the Germans took reasonable measures to prevent unnecessary deaths but were simply overwhelmed by the destruction being wrought upon their economy.

    tldr: sorry, not buying it.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Svigor
    , @Svigor
  172. Them Guys 说:
    @Wally

    Wally, great info! Note also that these holyhoax promoters aka jews make use of the exact same method of….if Zero/No/None evidence exists nor can be found?…No problem, just switch the actual real word meanings so to mean a totally Different thing!

    And by same method I am referring to the largest sect of idiotic brainwashed and always unquestionable, defenders of all issues or agendas jewish or Israel state…That being Americas 60+ Million of jewdeo-zio-christians. Only difference is that where hoax promotor jews switch word meanings from say, Resettlement into meaning of “extermination of jews” etc….

    Those braindead jew and Israel firster apostate Christians named prior, instead switch word meanings from, in all biblical verses locations the word of “Israel” or Israelite” can be found…They switch the actual word meanings into the word of “Jew” or “Jews”…This way they can conjure up various end times prophetic claims and interpretations, then search or back track thru as many bible verses until they find the words of “Israel”, and then substitute the word “jew” so to make every prophetic interpretation Fit!

    It seems that every group and also individuals who become infatuated by jews, like those jewdeo Christian sects, along with polititions and msm members etc. And almost the entire dem lib party, African negros, Fags & Dykes, and any others I forgot to name here…..All sooner or later become almost 100% the same as a jew in all of the various nefarious ways of international jewry are famous for being.

    A good example I’d say, is how most dem libs, negroes, and other jew firsters or jew defenders, always use the very same jewish tactics of denial of facts, rejection of proven truths, and none are ever able to ever admit to being wrong on any jew or political or racial issues period. And when all those tactics fail, or the people they are rejecting such facts from refuse to cave in to such jewish tactics…They, same as a jew, always resort to use of vile name callings of Nazis and anti-Semite and racist….In order to finally stifle and shut down entirely ALL forms free speech/talk of the type those loony lefties reject or dislike.

    This is a pattern of behavior that has swept the entire nation of America via pc and cultural Marxist controls of most forms msm and medias today, and one group maintains such rigid strict msm media control of thought and speech allowed, and it is jews who have that control.

    Today and for some while long now, one can accurately claim that Americas citizenry has been almost totally Judaized and Talmudized and Zionized to the proverbial Inth-Degree!

    Yet even while so many have been trained like Pavlovs Dogs, to Think-Believe-Act- like jews,and Unquestionably always kneejerk-defend all issues jew, until they act more like a jew than a jew does, they also fail to comprehend that no matter how or what they do in their mad quest of “Is it good for jews”?….They Fail to see that never ever are jews going to actually accept such idiot Goys as one of jews own eh….jews will always treat even the most out going pro jew goy like them the same as they treat awake folk goy like Us…With abject hatred of goyim from jewry as a whole.

    • 回复: @Momus
  173. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    What exactly was this extermination apparatus?

    Are you trying to prove you are mentally retarded?

    after reading a letter from one of the camp commandants blah blah blah

    You don’t consider hundreds of thousands of innocent people being rounded up and rail trucked to specially constructed camps run by the SS an indicator of Nazi mendacity?

    • 回复: @Wally
  174. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    You have 6 million jews living in your head rent free mate.

    You are such a pathetic victim.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Them Guys
  175. ohmy 说:

    I find it interesting that today the level of hate of Russia promoted by the MSM is astonishingly similar to the level of hate for Germany this same MSM was publishing during the years just prior to World Wars 1 & 2. It is almost a cut and paste promotion.

  176. @Lot

    And Irving also threatened to sue John Lukacs, a highly respected figure in traditionalist/paleoconservative circles, although ultimately he did not.

    Any discussion of Irving that does not make clear that he sued Lipstadt, not vice versa, is dishonest. (Unz comes closer to admission of this fact in his other post, but still buried in deliberately vague language that merely says the controversy “spawned a lawsuit.”)

  177. Rurik 说:
    @Crimson2

    and have the gall to attack the media.

    !

    接下来是什么?

    Obama? The Clintons?!?! The United States Senate?!?!!!

    is there nothing sacrosanct anymore?

    I’ve even read things on this webzine that are unflattering to America’s premiere war hero and statesman; John McCain!

    and even Bibi!!!!!

    can you imagine anyone criticizing Bibi?!!!!

    I thought we hanged Himmler and Eichmann!

    and now they’re back, and criticizing Israel and even the (((media)))!!!!!

  178. Astraea 说:
    @Malla

    Kissinger still seems to be The Boss behind the scenes – or it looks like it because he is seen quite often in either the Oval Office or The Kremlinor in Beijing and in all three places he is greete with deep respect – and by Putin with great affection. Putin behaves like a star struck boy in that Kissinger’s presence.
    I was very much more impressed with Vladimir Putin until I saw his adoration of this rather evil dwarf.
    What exactly isKissinger’s role inour World? OUR World!

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @edNels
  179. @Alden

    Scuttled by the Royal Navy. HMS Edinburgh had been torpedoed by a German submarine and was attempting to return to Murmansk, but was at risk of being intercepted by German naval vessels. The United States still got paid, for that shipment and numerous others, in gold bullion, hence received nothing from the 1981 salvage operation(of the 431 bars recovered, the UK salvage consortium received 45% and the remaining 55% was split 2/3rds to Soviet Union and 1/3 to UK). A second salvage operation in 1986 recovered 29 of the remaining 34 gold bars, five gold bars are unaccounted for to this day( HMS Edinburgh carried 465 gold bars when scuttled). “Anon”, you just have to get used to the historical fact that the Soviet Union didn’t get any “free stuff” in WWII, but the United States did get Soviet gold bullion for cans of pork stew.

    • 回复: @anon111
  180. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    What is beyond any doubt is that Hitler’s Nazis prepared the ideological ground and constructed a massive slave labor and extermination apparatus to exploit, cause the death of, and murder Europe’s Jews.

    who prepared the ideological ground to exterminate tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians in the old Soviet Union?

    who was that?

    for some reason one event has been covered ad nauseum, and the others?

    • 回复: @Momus
  181. anon111 说:
    @Bombercommand

    …but the United States did get Soviet gold bullion for cans of pork stew.

    were they supposed to take rubles?

  182. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Get used to it Momus, the world is awakening to your 6M scam and your psychopathic brethren are taking a beating at Unz.

    Look at yourselves, Nothing but girly foot stomping fits. It is very enjoyable to see those reactions. YOu have nothing.

    And do tell us why Jews have been trying their laughable fake 6M since at least 1823.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  183. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    说过:
    “You don’t consider hundreds of thousands of innocent people being rounded up and rail trucked to specially constructed camps run by the SS an indicator of Nazi mendacity?”
    IOW:
    You don’t consider the millions of innocent Japanese-Americans being rounded up and rail trucked to specially constructed camps run by the US government an indicator of Allied mendacity?

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  184. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Momus, you lie because that’s your last resort.

    Just one more false strawmen argument from the desperate Usual Enemies of Free Speech.

    There are no Revisionist attacks on Jews, but plenty of Jew attacks against Revisionists.

    It’s Jew violence that is the real issue.

    There was the firebombing by Jews of Ernst Zundel’s home, the arson attack by Jews against the IHR.

    And the beating of Dr. Faurisson.
    https://codoh.com/library/document/300/?lang=en
    http://www.codoh.com

    修正主义者只是使者,“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬可能性是信息。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  185. @Crimson2

    恩兹先生
    Crimson here may be jumping the shark just a bit, but about the point where he gets to Waffle House, he has a point.
    The posture you are assuming here is worrisome, I guess maybe if its in the spirit of Howard W. Campbell Jr then, well, that is one helluva a sacrifice, but speaking for myself only, I doubt that kind of sacrifice is required.

    I have generally considered the work you do here to be in the spirit of Ben Shapiro on this recent broadcast:

    There are ways to do this work and keep your moral compass, it starts with knowing that you sometimes need a moral compass. We are all human and that makes it’s possible to go into places where things become confusing and we all stand to be morally mislead.

    Here’s a few more signposts and guides. There is a such thing as moral anorexia. You don’t have it, but especially if you don’t know to recognize it when you see it you can become confused or misled by people who do.

    There’s mis-attribution of cause. If I have an employee and I fail to give him an opportunity, he may see my failure as all manner of faults and he may eventually quit and I’ve lost a good employee. He may be wrong about my motives for failure, but the outcome is the same – a bad outcome. But I don’t have to be guilty of malfeseance to have failed to give him an opportunity, I just can be guilty of being a flawed human being. Same problem applies with groups and in that respect, it’s as much an employee’s responsibility to seize opportunities as it is an employer’s responsibility to provide them – the failure of the latter, doesn’t excuse the former.

    And the past – I think it less likely in 1937 that things were moved along by puppet strings than in 2018. Our systems are bigger, more interconnected, there are fewer concentrations of power. 1937, especially in the US, was more a galley than a steamship.

    You grew up with the Americans who fought WWII. They were not duped. They were all on board. That they were on board, that they fought for the side they fought for, is on account of the fact that they saw things clearly and were not confused. Remember them.

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    , @Rurik
    , @Them Guys
  186. VICB3 说:
    @Mike P

    Guess again. I had already gone to the Irvingbooks website, and they don’t seem to offer it. When you click on the homepage link, you get a 404 page not found. Searched through the rest of the site – categories and all that – and it simply is not there.

    I can’t help but suspect that somebody doesn’t want it read and is doing everything that they can to keep it out of print. In this case, perhaps it’s tied up in a court case or something. And yes, I know that’s conspiracy stuff, all tinfoil hat and everything, but the fact remains that a reasonably priced copy doesn’t seem to be available at this time.

    To repeat, perhaps Unz should become a reseller. Plenty of forbidden books out there that might interest the reader.

    仅仅是一个想法。

    维克B3

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  187. @peterAUS

    There is/was something in Nazi ideology that… resonates….for a lack of better word.

    All group conflicts over territory are fundamentally racist. It’s a matter of our group replacing your group. Racism is built into the genome as the result of natural selection. Whatever, promotes the propagation of your genes at the expense of mine increases the frequency of genes like yours in future generations.

    The Nazis were just more proactive in their racism than most, and have thus, since their defeat, been pilloried for it by their chief victims.

    But the blather we hear today about racism is mostly just anti-white racism, promoted by globalists who seek to destroy the European nations states, these being the greatest obstacle to the globalists’s goal of global governance, i.e., a system under which a caste of super rich people enslave the mass of humanity, thereby creating the world of two races, the ruling Eloi and the Morlock slaves, that H.G. Wells envisaged.

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  188. @anon111

    Anon111, you shouldn’t thank “Wally” for bull-poop. The Wehrmacht was unable to reduce the Dunkirk Enclave because of the heroism of the French First Army, which formed a blocking force, standing its ground and taking casualties to shield the evacuation. The French First Army in counterattack even captured a Wehrmacht General.

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  189. Them Guys 说:
    @Wally

    What they get wrong totally on counting or numbering jews is that….Those two biblical verse sections quoted actually refer to….”Like the sand of seas cant be counted”= Nobody can count each piece of sand in the worlds seas and shores/beaches because obviously the number of sand particles globally number so huge an amount it is impossible for any person to count them all in a lifetime of attempting to do so. And it is not to be taken as a Literal meaning either. It simply meant that One day in Far Future times decendants of all 12 tribes Israel will number far greater population when compared to several Thousands years past when it was orig written.

    As for jews king Davids ordeal mentioned….What it actually meant is that King David was supposed to Rely upon God ALONE and Gods total Powers for Davids army to win whichever battle that bible part speaks of…..But..David was uncertain in his mind weather he indeed had enough jew army soldiers to win said upcoming battle….So He on his Own decided to do a census type head count of his army……That pissed off God to no end!

    So to punish David and teach all present jews there a good lesson about only placing absolute trust in the Lord God and His mighty powers that would be used Via Godly intervention for jews to win every war or battle etc…..God caused something like 10 or 20 times as many as david counted to perish dead.

    I do not from memory recall exact times count number punished dead?….But it was a greater number than actually counted by davids census.

    IMPORTANT: Aspect to consider here folks!!

    If as most every number of jews as stated or numbered Today as well as in WWII and Prior Eras say, that worldwide jewry consists of Only aprox 14-15-Million Total jews.

    Then when one considers how the bible states “Israel members shall number like the entire sand grains globally in existence”….

    Well That fully Refutes ALL Claims by jews as to jews being the very peoples all those Future promised great blessings pertain to eh!

    Promised future blessings such as “Thru Abraham and his seed,(singular seed Not plural as in “seed’s”), I the Lord God will Bless…EVERY Nation on earth and even Every Family within every nation on earth”….

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    Now a couple important Facts need be understood regards such future promised blessings.

    First, God blessed Abram (prior to his name changed to Abraham) in Gen. 12:3, which is the very verse ALL evangelical dupes insist as proof jews are the “Chozens even today”.

    But that nonsence evangels toss out and believe in is Rejected and fully Refuted in the new testement book of Galatians…Where there Paul states that the very word of abes “Seed” Pertains ONLY to Christ who was yet to get born…And it was a future blessing of Spiritual Salvation thru Jesus Christ, which is what new testement aka a New Covenant that Replaced old covenant with 12 tribes of israel peoples, is about….Hence…”I God shall bless every nation and even each family in said nations”….Was fulfilled by/thru Christ…With still yet to come, Material Physical Future blessings too.

    Now also consider that actual Proven History of at least past 2,000 years, proves beyond All doubt that the jews NEVER were claimed nor proven to ever yet number “Like sands of the Seas or aka Number so huge nobody can count jews”…..No….Thats a huge Fail, for jews typically number NO greater globally than 15-Million total alive at same time.

    And within those promised future blessings were Also a bunch of actual Physical Material blessings such as great Prosperity, Great and Massive Huge Land Mass in a NEW nation that is NOT of the nation I the lord gave to your(12 tribes israelites) Fathers! but RATHER a NEW great Land mass nation where in the Latter days I the lord shall RE-Gather the true decendants etc etc….

    Stay with this now….Ok now think about the say, past 2,000 years…WHEN or WHERE and WHOM as a peoples/nations. Has Ever been blessed in Any good way by or thru or due to Jews?!

    That is an laughable question almost no?….For rather than anybody non jew being ever greatly blessed by or due to jews, the total opposite has occured…Every Host nations non-jew peoples has sooner or later got so fed up with jews that they Booted jews Out eh.

    And since this New Lands for a regathering is NOT of the lands given to their forefathers…HOW can todays state of Israel possibly be a “Fullfilment of one of Gods promised blessings to jews” as most jews and every duped jewdeo-christian claims has happened in 1948? In Fact, not only does Any place biblically, Not state of Any Blessings for “jews”…..But also the very word of “jew” is NOT even found until 2nd book of Kings, Chapter 16 vs. 12!…which is aprox. almost 500 pages After page One of Genesis!!!….What? Did old Abe and Moses Et al in OT books simply forget to declare they was a jew or what? heheheh…Not…..very…Likely eh folks. This is why so many folks get confused about “who and whats a…jew?”….and also how jewry has played goys and jewdeo-christian apostates for total suckers!…..the word of jew went thru at Least three different word meanings prior to birth of Christ alone.

    But if one reads every single one of the mentioned great future blessings of the Material and Physical type Promiced by God to a latter days (the latter days or end times Age began when Christ Died on the cross and continues untill whenever an actual end of this age occurs, be it in Our times or hundreds more years from 2018 don’t matter, for it Began when He died on cross.).

    If you read those promiced material phys blessings….And compare Both the Land Mass/New nation promiced, the Numbers of persons like the seas sand grains aka too many to count, along with all the already granted blessings proven to have happened so far, with yet a few more yet to come….

    There is but ONE nation, and ONE people group that fits and is who such blessings TO other nations and families of nations were done Thru or By…..and it is obviously America and its Main Founding European WHITE christian peoples that got said blessings and spoken of Land mass.

    This is easy to see when you just read the many, many blessings as written of, and especially when you compare every little detail written of regards that New Land/Nation-Not Of the lands or nation given to your(12 tribed Israelites, fathers)…..NO other land mass globally fulfills the many specific details but america.

    And also those blessings first spoken of to Abram, aka abraham, and repeated to Issac,and to his son Jacob (latter name changed to Israel)….And mentioned several times through out OT books.

    Were All Promiced, then due to israel tribes peoples fuck ups, and various false god entities worshipped etc etc….Due to so much and so many and so often Isrsaelites abject Failures to Obey God etc….Those blessings were Halted Three distinct seperate times. And each time god Witheld said blessings from orig 12 tribes, god multiplied the Wait period by Seven Fold!

    I can’t recall the exact number years accumulated due to Three times blessings being Delayed/Withheld…..But it is something like, after 3rd and final time, added up to a grand total of 2,540-Years, or close to that anyways…..Meaning when calculated Via clanders and eras past, and that after third time blessings were withheld or delayed….God said at an end point of the total of years, aka 2,540 or so years, then no matter what….The blessings Would get done or fulfilled.

    Okay….That actual time frame of a fulfillment of 25+centuries, ended around beginning of 1,800 A.D.Era…..Maybe 1802, 1804 or so I cannot recall actual proper dates now. But If such has really occured and gods blessings has been poured out as is written to….There is NO other land mass or nation on earth, that totaly fits every specific detail and NO other peoples BUT for Euro Whites and White Christians that have been so greatly blessed, and then Shared blessings and done so much for Other nations, like America and its White Euro and white christian peoples has done period.

    Just compare how that, while so called “chozens” were very busy doing every possible rip off, using usury/intrest to swindle goys, jews use of deceptions and subterfuges to cause Wars among goy nations (WWI & WWII the biggies), never ending massive Lies, scams, perfidies, etc etc. to as many goyim peoples and nations as they could do to, and thru out all recorded history.

    During most of that same time frame, European Whites/Christians did the exact opposite…Like sent priests and others to spread the gospel, spread enlightened knowledges and wisdoms with lesser able tribes and nations etc….Euro Whites always have gladly shared our god given blessings with most every others on earth…Jews kept very busy stealing what others had/have eh.

    Yes I am well aware several naysayers and usa haters, anti whites, atheists types etc, are going to complain and point to how badly usa has been doing via wars in iraq etc….And many more good reasons to naysay…..However one Must also consider the whole 500 years time frame in comparing america, and remember it is mainly only since 1960’s era that usa began so bad of a downslide in so many ways.

    But regardless if one believes or not in biblical prophecy etc…The bottom line is that after you read of the many promiced blessings, and specific details of a new land etc….And compare Numbers of Euro Whites globally Vs. jews worldwide total number….Well it is a no brainer that jews never have numbered like sands of sea, but euro whites have.

    And further note that due to Euro Whites, but especially in America as well as the nation of america itself, having been the actual recipents of all those blessings as promiced biblically etc, with still perhaps a few more yet to come,….That IS the Main Major reason #1 as to why jewry has infiltrated most often a White peopled nation, and whichever such nation became the Host nation to at least 1/2 or more of worlds jews. Has always been royally screwed and ripped off etc.

    Because of, yet another biblical issue this has occured. That issue being, and is also verified in jews own jewish almanacs, that while calling selves as “jews” and playing the role as such, what jewry actually is and represents is/are…EDOM and Edomite Decendants.

    Now anybody who has read the bible somewhat has to know that, while the 12 tribe israel is decended from Jacob, Abrahams grandson, Abes Other grandson and Jacobs Twin Brother whom was actually the elder and eligable for first borns birthright blessing, which means All their daddy owned got handed down or inherited by the elder Son…..Yet as the story goes Esua traded away his birth right as first born twin son, To, Jacob for a Pot/bowel of Bean Soup!

    Who are/were Esaus decendants?…EDOMITES! aka Khazar Fake jewry!….. Now we see reasons jews have been trying to swindle and scam and steal/cheat make use of Usury and overall fully Destroy Euro White and Cristian Whites ever since at least 2,000 yrs ago eh.

    Because in reality jews aka edmoites are simply doing what they were taught to do since day one when Esau who is their Main Forefather swore a blood oath to seek out, and get back every part of orig Birthright Blessings he traded away for that pot/bowel of bean soup….And to also seek out and Mass Kill off every of jacobs decendants no matter how long it take….

    Esau also swore he’d teach this to his kids and grandkids etc and make them swear an oath to pass down said teachings of steal back blessings and Kill off members of brother Jacobs decendants…

    Christ told the jews in his day, “I was sent ONLY to/for the Lost Sheep of Israel”…So whats that mean? Easy answer. Lost sheep of Israel refers to the 10-Lost tribes which also are the only tribes that Kept the name of “Israel” and “Israelites” ever since King Solomon, first temple era, died when the Northern ten tribes split apart from the two tribes in Southern Kingdom of Judah, with Benjamin tribe being the 2nd Judah nation tribe. Ever since they split apart, 10(?) centuries prior to Christ, the 10 northern tribes as Prophesied to do so by jacob when he first arrived in Egypt and re-discovered his thought to be dead favorite son of Joseph, said that His new name of Israel shall be given to josephs two sons aka Jacob/Israel’s two grandsons. ONLY they and all their 10 northern tribe decendants shall Keep the name of and be known of as Israel…NOT Judah jews nor anybody else But the 10 tribes that would exist far into future from when it was said.

    And so from time of tribal north vs south split, Judah nor jews were ever called or known of as Israel. (until pastor John Hagee got a TV show of apostasy and fake jewry).

    And it appears that those lost 10 tribes aint so lost. They just became Christians and called another name of European White Folks…..and various proven ancient Maps with plenty of written materials show that in tracing those lost 10 tribes pathways traveled, they are todays euro whites.

    Maybe this is reason Christ Himself stated how “You have those among you that call themselves jews but are NOT jews and Are of the synagogue of satan” Rev. 2:9 & 3:9 or in John 8:44 where again Christ says…”You (jews) are Of Your father the devil satan, and his works you will do! IE: Lie-Steal-Murder, same as their father satan is guilty of.” I paraphrased the bible verses so not word for word perfect but close enough to get picture eh.

    So ” if ” America is that long ago promised land mass, and if the lost sheep of israel are in fact modern day euro white Christians etc….Then one must Re-Think quite a lot of what we thought and got told prior as bible and jewry truths eh. Things we now can know of thanks to internet ability, as well as seeing jews ongoing various issues and deeds…Sure makes it fit proper. So no wonderment as to why jewry never changes or repents and whole worlds nations continue a downward spiral to evils and wrongs and wars etc eh?

    When you consider all these issues, compare with real proven history of various events and actions done by or caused by jewry for past 2,000 yrs and longer, there is no denying that all we see and know of about this and are even affected now today due to it, that it well compares with the Protocols of Elders of Zion, in how ironicly accurate each segment or prediction has and is being done or fulflled step by step eh.

    And yet another Cohencidence!…Both the Protocols of zion as well as what I stated here of biblical nature prophecy etc has the very Same main major component as the main Culprits…jews. OyVey!

  190. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    If you incite hate and promulgate violence against a certain group in your society you are breaking the social contract.

    i’ve never heard this ^^^ but i suspect if you are behind the importation of tens of millions of foreigners against the wishes of the native populations you are doing more than “breaking the social contract”

    That certain species of denier dog whistling is as socially undesirable….

    据WHO称?

  191. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    上演“反犹太”罪行是普遍现象,并非例外。
    这些绝不是某人在法庭上受到指控和审判的“罪行”。
    这些只是一些人“报告”为“仇恨犯罪”的内容。

    IOW,如果有人希望获得政治优势或对某人的言论或想法感到愤怒,那么他们就会制造并报告“仇恨犯罪”。
    然后使用伪造的 SPLC 样式数字,就好像它们是真实的犯罪统计数据一样。
    总是要问的问题是:“谁受益?”

    看到这些:
    犹太嫌疑人因犹太教堂的sw字涂鸦被捕
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-suspects-arrested-over-swastika-graffiti-on-synagogues/

    犹太人因数十次假“仇恨罪”被捕
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/israeli-jew-19-arrested-antisemitic-hate-crime-hoax-spree/
    摘录:“上个月,一名嫌疑人涉嫌破坏了芝加哥的Loop犹太教堂,并显然被监视摄像机抓获。 该名男子已经因不相关的指控而接受三月份的审判,被指控犯有仇恨罪。

    男子在大学校园里抓到喷漆ast记是黑色的
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/16/man-caught-spray-painting-swastika-on-college-campus-is-black-report-says/

    假仇恨? 密尔沃基纪念碑上喷绘的“特朗普规则”和画得很差的万字符
    https://www.prisonplanet.com/fake-hate-trump-rules-poorly-drawn-swastikas-spray-painted-on-monument-in-milwaukee.html

    Bomb threats to Jewish centers & schools were really a dark web moneymaking scheme ? FBI
    https://www.rt.com/usa/399027-bomb-jcc-kadar-warrant-alphabay/

    JCC炸弹骗子被指控犯有大量罪行,包括威胁处决儿童,炸毁飞机
    美国-以色列的青少年黑客在以色列法院被控向美国及全球范围内的犹太机构,购物中心,学校,航空公司和警察发出2,000多个恐吓电话; 威胁美国参议员和国防高级官员
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-files-massive-indictment-against-jcc-bomb-hoaxer-for-thousands-of-counts-of-threats-extortion-fraud/
    http://www.codoh.com

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    , @Momus
  192. Wally 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    IOW, you’re having a fit because Ron Unz allows ‘holocaust’ Revisionist research & views to be aired. That bothers you because you cannot refute informed Revisionists.
    In addition, your childhood memories / fantasies of ‘The Good War’ have been shattered.
    Those are what bothers you, aka: cognitive dissonance.

    Your feigned “moral compass” is a fraud. You are in fact ‘faking it’. Your faux morality is offensive to all of us who apply science, logic & rational thought to our endeavors.

    So tell us exactly, specifically, what is incorrect in the posts here that you do not like.
    Please present you proof for the alleged ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    Quit dodging the real issues.

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”

    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    http://www.codoh.com

  193. Wally 说:
    @Crimson2

    说过:
    “In fact, I’ll celebrate the anniversary.”

    Indeed, there are people who “celebrate” witchcraft, those who howl at the moon.

    Face it, now that you’ve had the lies slapped across your face, you will never be the same again.

    http://www.codoh.com

  194. Rurik 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    You grew up with the Americans who fought WWII. They were not duped. They were all on board. That they were on board, that they fought for the side they fought for, is on account of the fact that they saw things clearly and were not confused. Remember them.

    how’s that for mendacity, eh?

    “They were not duped” = they were duped

    “They were all on board” = they were uniformly duped

    “that they fought for the side they fought for, is on account of the fact that they saw things clearly and were not confused” = they fought for the Jews because they we duped them and confused them with our ubiquitous lies.

    “Remember them” = create a new generation of duped goyim who will “not” be confused, and continue to fight and die for the Jews’

    LOL

    I must say that these semi-cryptic warning shots from Mr. Unz fellow tribal members are a little too hilarious.

    don’t they know by now that the cat is out of the bag? (and we can read between their lines?)

    so Jewish supremacists, please stop blaming Ron Unz for the truths made available by the Internet.

    I’ve known of David Irving for decades. I’ve known of his work and the relentless persecutions he’s endured, like so many others. Like Ernst Zundel, Sylvia Stolz and so many (thousands of) others.

    Irving used to call these ((forces)) the “traditional enemies of truth”. Indeed, and that’s what they are.

    That’s what this little comment was all about. ‘We lied to get the stupid goyim to destroy Germany, and now our lies are destroying England and France and N. America’, just as they’ve destroyed so many nations in the Middle East that were not ‘good for the Jews!’ ‘If you allow people to tell the truth on your site, then our lies will be less effective!’

    Is that what you really want, Mr. Unz?!

  195. peterAUS 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    同意大多数。

    The element which, maybe, could be expanded upon is

    The Nazis were just more proactive in their racism than most…

    I am not quite sure that (semantics?) “proactive” describes that well.
    “Efficient” maybe? “Well structured and organized”?

    Japanese were quite proactive too, then. Not much about that in public sphere.

    My take is that there is, again, that word “某物” when Nazi ideology is concerned and the Western man, or more precisely, Northern Western Man.
    Not (white) Slavs, not even “Southerners” (from Portugal to Italy).

    There is something that resonates, deep, when watching the symbols, ceremonies, rallies and such.

    I guess it works on subconscious level, don’t know, but…..

    Take a look, for example, at that BBC show (I mean, of all the people…BBC…).
    The feeling when watching all that.

    I guess that is something which makes all the Left/progressive/whatever jumpy and willing to do anything to clamp on that.
    They don’t understand it, but feel its (dormant?) power and work hard on keeping it dormant.

    Bottom line is, there is 东西 in those….visuals….that ….resonate.

    And…hehe…more one wants to dismiss it via rational approach….more the visuals stay.

    Masses don’t analyze. They feel, get triggered and act.
    The paradigm makes them them feel, visuals make them triggered…..

    难题,是吗?

  196. Them Guys 说:
    @Momus

    You are a, Prime Grade-A, top notch Poster boy/girl example of why so many, many, many goys are finally waking up and also getting very jewized up.

    And you and your ilk of fellow travelers posting here and at various other website forums, show us the best ever evidence that you jews are really getting very worried to say the least!

    Folks at many web forums ask as to why do we see so many issues seeming to be moving faster, and seeing more and more issues being added daily and weekly now. This is due to they are them what aint as yet jewized up awakened.

    But we who are, know we are very correct that it is all due to a frenetic fanatical fear based jewish mindset. A massive group wide fear of…”They Know! Oy Vey! Them damn Goys, They…KNOW!”

    And be certain we who do know have been working over time to awaken as many fellow goys as humanly possible. Which very soon shall cause what can be called the Snowball Effect.

    Like a small hand tossed snowball downhill, as it rolls downhill, it picks up both more snow and faster speed…Until very soon now, it will reach a state of a Giant size mountain sized snowball rolling right over every sick in the head ziojew and antichrist jew along with rolling over every of the too many to list jewish hoax fabels and lies.

    And as so, so, intelligent as jewry claims jews to be, the best ever proof they aint so smart is how jews have placed every and all of their scam crapolas, like eggs into the same basket!

    In other words you stupid jews, ALL you have is a huge fable full of lies in one giant basket thats everything jew stands on. Which is certain soon to abjectly Fail big. And with that big Failure also goes every fuckin dime and every former defense or support you had or got from goys and their prosperous nations….Then what, eh jew?

    Worse yet for not just jews but also for usa negroes is the fact that jewry taught negroes to act like and use exact same vile jew tactics to blame whites. And same as jewry has foolishly done, blacks in usa also put all they have into one basket of “Call whites Rayssis!”.

    Be it call whites racist or call em anti-Semites and Nazis its all the same stupid fail game plan.

    And if you think whites can be a real huge future problem for jewry? Just wait till you jews get a load of 50-Million usa very pissed off black savages once they too get jewized up!!!!

    Only This time around, unlike our parents of the Greatest DUPED Generation of Jew War II era..

    This time us whites will NOT come to the rescue of jews, who well deserve whatever befalls them for all they have scammed and done, and will never cease doing until somebody deals with it all.

    But you fraud khazar fake jews Know all of this and its the main reason foolish jews such as You are keep doing what you do on sites like here eh. its due to a 100% Real abject FEAR!

    A Fear You types created and caused. Even biblically God states to several of israels greatest prophets that He, God is baffled by total jewish stiff necked stubbornness and idiocy of never being able to ever admit when they are wrong. Even the few long past historic biblical eras that jews actually did admit to being wrong and evil etc, each of the few times, it was always very short lived before jews returned to their own VOMIT!…Same as a Dog that will puke and then Return to its Own Vomit to lick and eat it eh!!

    Daily I Thank God He Made me a White Man and not a jew nor a negro. And in that respect, yes I do feel sorry for you jews, kinda, a tiny bit at least heheheh.

    PS: Momus, have you ever yet discovered any jews that actually have had the wisdom to inquire as to just why a 109 host nations have booted out jews and did so around 300 separate times?

    I have heard Endless jews, endless number of times complain of how badly jews got/get treated by gentiles and goy nations…yet never yet even once have I myself heard a single jew answer that complain with an honest answer such as “Well gee maybe if we jews stopped acting so jewy jewish and obnoxiously whining and crying about the big holohoax events, and took a real mirror self look see at our jewish selves…Just maybe we could change and act normal like most euro whites do eh”

    I am age 65 yrs old, have likely met far more jews, and spent an entire 25+ years of 40+ Hrs per week working at and Inside jewish homes and at their many varied business’s, than a couple dozen folks combined totals of contact with jews.

    And after spending from typically 1/2 a day to a full 8 hr work day every month inside the same jewish home and being able to observe typical jewish behavior in said homes. Seeing their small kids grow to adult hood during a 25 year span of time doing so.

    Causes a person like me to really get to know jews almost as well as a jew can know a jew.

    And these folks represented all types jews. From avg middle class worker types in avg homes, to some, Many of the very most wealthy within state of Michigan at several mainly jewish suburbs around Detroit. These are wealthy and famous jews everyone here would recognize if I named them.

    So yes when it comes to “oy Vey! They KNOW! the Goys Know!” Indeed I sure do fit that to a T.

    And I can honestly say I have never in all those years of monthly home worksite visits ever yet heard one single jew person young nor old, speak about any self created fault or jew caused miseries so many jews claim to suffer. I rekon stiff necked stubborn jewry fits well also eh.

    Its all okay though as I stated prior sooner or later jews will likely have, this time around a Real true issue to whine or cry about once enough fed up goys get so fed up.

    And then same as a few weeks ago at the united nations council meeting, while niky halie defends indefensible jews and Israel state vs pallies there being so persecuted by jews , and the rest of UN members that represent 7-Billion Non jew goys globally Rejected Israel and jews at rate of 100% rejection level, Vs only usa/Haly being for jews or Israel speaks volumes no? Well its going to get worse yet once the fed up act. So good luck jewy jews you gonna need it I rekon.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  197. Them Guys 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Speak Truth to your enemies, for when you speak truth to an enemy(antichrist-antiwhite jew/zios) it works the same as if you took a shovel, and scooped up a heaping shovel full of hot coals, and then dumped those coals on top of their head! advice from Jesus Christ.

  198. @anon111

    The RAF. The entire fighter force of the RAF could be, and was, concentrated over Dunkirk, and it operated from bases a short distance across The Channel. The Luftwaffe, in contrast had a large area of responsibility with large French forces to the south and had to fly from airdromes in Germany. It was a tough fight for the RAF, but hardly surprising that the Luftwaffe could not break through.

  199. Them Guys 说:
    @Wally

    Wally, also Most of all those school shooter perps since first one at Columbine event, when klinton as Prez needed a few such school shooter events to get assault weapon ban enacted, have been proved to be jewish shooter gunman perps.

    Including that batman movie nutcase shooter guy, and the jewish guy who shot us rep gabby giffords. MSM on every channel went totally wild with non stop 24/7 claims of a neonazi shooter, an anti-Semite white guy shooter, an skinhead racist anti-Semite gunman etc etc….But then all a sudden thanks to internet sites, truth came out and lo and behold all them gunman evil shooter guys were…Wait for it!….Were all jew perps! That’s when typically every major msm drops the whole story…Then returns to it briefly with cops details of arrest etc. Soon as badguy perp turns out to be a jew again, every msm goes silent running!

    I think its due to the life long since a small kid, jewish yeshiva schools jewish teachings, such as Talmud teaches “Yes even the Best of the Goys Should be Killed”….along with constant teaching jew kids that they are superior and special and “Chozen” while a lowly goyim is “Sub-Human Animal” at best eh?….Note how most school shooter perps first asked victim kids are you a Christian? or asked “Do You believe in Jesus”?….Then when kid answered Yes…The jew perp fired a shotgun blast point blank at face or head….How many usa jews acted outraged or condemned those jewish perps?…None I recall did. and even MSM failed to out perps as a jew too.

    Same thing happened when back around 1972 or so, the Biggest ever yet scandal happened when a half dozen NeoNazis headed by a Frank Collins guy as head hitler wannabe. Asked for and received a parade march protest permit from the city near Chicago called Skokie Ill.

    It was really big due to Skokie ill is the worlds largest group of holyhoax “so called survivahs”!

    The skiokie city jews rallied and got the parade permit canceled…But the ACLU jewish lawyers took the case for free and went all the way to the us supreme court!…..Finally Frank Collins aka neonazi Hitler wannabe, and his merry band of 5 follower neonazi membership, won their free speech 1st ammendt case in us supremes….Got parade permit anewed, and began the march parade…Complete with swastika arm bands and red swastika Nazi flags flying high.

    Then entire town of skiokie jew survivahs came outside and physically attacked Collins and crew!

    It made every msm station tv worldwide, a huge issue complete with crying survivor jews and tall tale hox stories and claims as per usual….And then….

    Someone discovered that Frank Collins aka Neo Nazi Hitler leader guy was actually a jew! and had a real jew name different from frank Collins….Soon the Ill police and FBI investigated and found it was All Paid for and originated by the jewish ADL Org.!!

    All done in order to create mass hysteria about the holyhoax events of jew War II.

    This is mainly when Hollywood movies, newer hoax movies began to mention stuf like gassings etc…Recall Older WWII era movies never mentioned or showed gas chambers or any six million claims…Frank Collins parade events were done to change it all and make excuses to remake old wwii movies with now mentions of such gassings etc.

    The final straw was when soon after parade event era, Collins main HQ Nazi Club House got FBI Raided for….Frank Collins the jewish fake hitler Nazi leader guy was found inside his HQ with a 10 year old little boy! With Frankie kneeling in front of 10 yr old boy and giving kid a blow job!

    Frank Collins was arrested and convicted of chid sex abuse etc…And discovered to actually be jewish!….Yet Another jewish neo Nazi Hitler with arm bands and Nazi flags parading streets of Skokie survivah HQ town…..

    One cannot just make this stuff up eh…Yet ADL and SPLC jews with helper jews keep doing so non stop it seems. There is a bunch of info with full color photos of frank Collins and crew and flags etc online with full story details…Jews like at adl will stoop as Low as need be to create a Faked event . Then adl begs for donations of more \$\$\$!!! To Halt Antisemitism no less!

    • 回复: @Momus
  200. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    who prepared the ideological ground to exterminate tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians in the old Soviet Union?

    Sounds dire. Where do your figures come from?

    • 回复: @Svigor
    , @anon111
  201. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    底栖沃利。

    As I’ve said before, I’m agnostic on the numbers of Jews Hitler caused to die: you have the 6 million zombies in your skull.

    You are in a tiny, dark, low oxygen ecosystem, getting poor nutrition from the excreted waste products of those few deep dwellers around you.

    The details of the Holocaust are unimportant to the majority of the worlds population; They know beyond doubt Hitler and his SS set up a brutal apparatus for the enslaving and killing of Europe’s Jews.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  202. anarchyst 说:
    @VICB3

    Focal Point publishing has all of the Irving books, and many more…

  203. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    You don’t consider the millions of innocent Japanese-Americans being rounded up and rail trucked to specially constructed camps run by the US government an indicator of Allied mendacity?

    Pretty average lying effort that one Benthic Wally. Japanese internees according to the US records numbered 117000 and transport to the camps was by various means- but not rail 卡车: rail coach or carriage or commercial buses were used.

    Not the finest episode in the US’s history but trying to compare it with Hitler’s SS treatment of Jews is laughable.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  204. Momus 说:
    @Astraea

    What exactly isKissinger’s role inour World? OUR World!

    Nothing sinister. Wise wizened sage, entertaining story teller, charismatic celebrity. Racontuer.

  205. Incitatus 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    Illegally rearmed, then revoked Versailles and reinstituted conscription?
    “How illegally?”

    Germany violated Versailles from day one. Rearming. 300,000-400,000 Freikorps. Failure to pay reparations for damage inflicted on neighboring countries. In other words, German leaders lied. They never intended to honor their word. They sought to buy time, to maintain and enhance military strength. German soil remained untouched by the war they waged. They looked for a rematch.

    Again, German leaders lied from day one. They lied to their own people, they lied to the Allies, they lied to themselves. They started the war in 1914, murdered many of their own men, and, caught in failure, lied to save their own necks from mutiny.

    “When someone [Germany] is blackmailed into signing an ‘agreement’ in any system of justice that agreement is null and void”

    “Blackmailed”?

    Shouldn’t leaders in Germany and Austria-Hungary have thought of that when they refused mediation, declared war and initiated hostilities in 1914? Invaded neutral countries? Burned priceless libraries, cathedrals and civilian housing? Shelled Paris with special long-range terror weapons? Shot thousands of civilians? Destroyed villages, bridges, farms, orchards? Expelled hundreds of thousands of civilians? Initiated sustained aerial terror bombing of London? Created a meatgrinder killing hundreds of thousands (including their own men) at Verdun? Declared unrestricted submarine warfare? Attempted to get Mexico to attack the USA? Gave Lenin \$100 million and injected him into Russia?

    Shouldn’t German leaders have considered the risk of losing when they started and conducted brutal war? War that never touched German soil?

    Was Ludendorff’s Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (3 Mar 1918) ‘blackmail’? Over a million square miles (home to 50 million), 33% of rails, 73% of iron, 89% of coal, 5000 factories, and 6 billion marks extorted from Russia? Was that fair jilles? Was it “blackmail”?

    Was Bismarck’s pound of flesh – 5 billion gold francs and Alsace-Lorraine in 1871 – ‘blackmail’? Germany occupied northern France until it was paid. Was that fair jilles? Was it “blackmail”?

    The reason German leaders found themselves unfortunate victims of Versailles was because of their own hubris and criminal incompetence. They subjected ordinary Germans to four years of slaughter and famine. When it was their turn to screw Russia, they couldn’t take enough. German lives? Nitwit Ludendorff had no regrets losing 880,000 of his own men in his glorious spring offensive 21 Mar – Jul 1918. If Ludendorff thought so little of his own countrymen, why should the Allies care more?

    When German soldiers began to mutiny, Ludendorff and Hindenburg demanded the Reichstag (civilians) negotiate Armistice. The German General Staff was on the point of total failure, about to be exposed for the frauds they were. Hindenburg and Ebert instructed Matthias Erzberger to sign. They then engineered the myth than civilians, Jews, Freemasons betrayed German victory. Erzberger was killed by two Organisation Consul assassins 26 Aug 1921 while on a walk. The assassins, smuggled out of country, returned after Hindenburg’s immunity decree 21 Mar 1933 and led short happy careers – Heinrich Tillessen in the SA, Heinrich Schulz the SS.

    German leaders signed the agreement because of their supreme, arrogant incompetence. They created failure and were about to be exposed as morons. No more, no less. You blame everyone else. It was Wilson, France, the Jews…You seem eager to conceal odious crimes and criminal incompetence. You are the ordinary German’s nightmare.

    “When the Weimar Republic signed in Versailles already 900.000 Germans had died of hunger because Britain had continued the blockade.”

    Terrible indeed. Most estimate 763,720 civilians. As usual, you inflate German deaths and never mention their victims.

    Roughly 1.18% of German civilian population perished. Belgium lost 1.16% (about of third deliberately executed by Germans, the rest to famine and exposure after Germans burned their dwellings). Tiny Serbia won the lottery: 17.78% civilian deaths (27.78% of total population perished). Any tears for them jilles?

    Why do German leaders, who launched war, exclusively deserve pity? No one forced them to invade.

    Why didn’t German leadership adequately plan against famine when they started the war? Were they incompetent? Why blame the Allies for the incompetence of German leadership?

    Germany blockaded the UK with U-Boats and unrestricted warfare. Was that OK?

    “It takes too much space and time to reject the other nonsense.”

    Agree. Real estate in your brain is scarce. Devoted to “Hitler did not want any war” (he launched it, but never mind); “FDR as war monger, Wilson the same, Wilson’s Eighteen Points to dismember the Habsburg empire, Churchill war criminal and war monger” (Germany and Austria-Hungary launched it, but never mind). Add to that obvious spite, envy, and holy passive-aggressive posturing against the USA. All by an economist that can’t add casualty and population numbers. Too much Gouda and tulips?

    With all due respect, here’s the joke. Under the rule of the Hitler you worship, you – useless eater – would have been snuffed long ago. Would you crow happiness when injected, express loving praise of the Führer while loaded into a sealed van? Perhaps Wally could make you feel better with his “Traitors? You bet, everyone did & does go after [murder] them.” Naturally Wally decides who’s a “traitor”, but that need not bother you.

    What’s the word? Zielig idioot?

  206. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    Even the few long past historic biblical eras that jews actually did admit to being wrong and evil etc, each of the few times, it was always very short lived before jews returned to their own VOMIT!…Same as a Dog that will puke and then Return to its Own Vomit to lick and eat it eh!!

    Another of your Megillahs.. how flattering.

    Dogs have evolved with strong stomachs and an instinct not to waste food so I’ll excuse the recycling of their own chunder.

    The dogs that revolt me are the copraphagous ones; the turd eaters. Like your commentary, a fecie has almost no goodness and indicates positive for pathogens.

    Say what you like about Haley but at the very least she is a lot better looking than the execrable Samantha Powers. Israel’s diplomatic efforts are persistant and her relations formal or otherwise cover most of the countries that matter.

    Bibi gets feted in the US, Russia, India and China: at the moment the stiff necked Germans are listening very carefully to him and the French the same.

  207. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    One cannot just make this stuff up eh…Yet ADL and SPLC jews with helper jews keep doing so non stop it seems.

    Another one of your coprolites. Frank Collin was a mentally ill pedophile with a Jewish father who he hated.

    Only wackadoodle benthic turd eaters believe his crazy man’s Nazi antics were somehow a cornspeeracy to wave a false flag.

  208. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    Benthic Wally

    You neatly make my point with mention of the bashing of Faurrison.

    He was a virulent denier and dog whistler who broke the social contract with hate speech.

    The results of this were a vicious attack on a member of you would have it oppressed minority: himself.

    Too funny, too ironic too true and the reason why hate speech laws exist: to protect people from the violence that may be triggered (for more good examples of race hate speech incitement resulting in ironic violence and death, refer to the recent Hamas fence attacks).

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Colin Wright
  209. Incitatus 说:
    @Wally

    “The “Allies” forced war on Germany. Pay attention”

    How? Did they order mobilization of German troops and invasions? Please tell us how the Allies “forced war on Germany”. Telekinisis? Did FDR call Eva and get her to hypnotize Dolf into invading Czechoslovakia and Poland? Did Fala send Blondie a drugged milkbone designed to make her bite the Führer into attacking neighbors? Give us a hint. We’re paying attention. Are you?

    [Don’t forget: breathe in, breath out. The world is not flat. It’s not my fault. Hitler’s dead. It’s not my fault. The world understands. It’s not my fault. Nicht schuldig (Not guilty)! Ich habe nur Befehle ausgeführt (I was just following orders)! Jeder macht es (Everybody does it)!]

    “What political opponents? Communist thugs? Yep and rightly so”

    Chancellor Schleicher and his wife (shot in their foyer) were Communists? Herbert von Bose (shot ten times in the back)? Generalmajor Ferdinand von Bredow (shot in the face opening his door)? Catholic journalist Fritz Gerlich (murdered at Dauchau)? Conservative lawyer Edgar Julius Jung (shot, dumped in an Oranienburg ditch)? Catholic politician and Papen associate Erich Klausener (shot by the SS)? Catholic youth leader Adalbert Probst (abducted, “shot while trying to escape”)? Funny, none are recorded with any ties to Communists.

    How about Gustav Ritter von Kahr, the former Bavarian commissioner who suppressed the Nov ’33 Putsch? He was found hacked to death with pickaxes in a wood outside of Munich. No known ties to Communists.

    Otto Ballerstedt, an electrical engineer, veteran, writer, leader of Bayernbund? He was personally assaulted and severely injured by Hitler 14 Sep 1921 when the latter broke-up his lecture in Munich Löwenbräukeller, then dragged out of the Hall. Hitler and Hermann Esser were arrested, convicted 27-29 Jan ’22 of breach of the peace, public indecency and assault. Hitler served less than a month (a third of his sentence). Ballerstedt retired from politics in ’25, but it seems Hitler still considered him a threat. He was arrested by the SS 30 Jun ’34 and killed near or in Dauchau. His body was found 1 Jul ’34 in the forest near Gündinger Neuhimmelreich – he’d been shot in the back of the head. No known ties to Communists.

    Or Bernhard Stempfle, a Catholic priest, journalist, and confidant of Hitler who helped write ‘Mein Kampf’. He was arrested in June ’34 and deported to Dachau. What’d’ya know? He was found dead 1 Jul ’34 in the woods near Harlaching. Reports noted ‘broken neck’ and shot in the heart “while trying to escape”. Most think he knew too much about Hitler and/or Christian Weber. No known ties to Communists.

    Here’s the best victim, Wally. Willi Schmid, music critic for the Müncher Neueste Nachtricten. No known ties to Communists. He was arrested 30 Jun ’34 in front of his family while playing the cello in his study. His body was returned to his family in a sealed casket four days later with written instructions from the SS not to open it in any circumstances. Seems he was innocently mistaken for SA ‘Willi Schmidt’ at assassination central. Rudolf Hess visited his widow a few days later to express regret for the murder mistake and offered her a state pension. What a guy! She emigrated to US. Wonder why, eh Wally?

    Röhm and the other SA were Communists? That would have been news to them, since most spent a great deal of time and effort fighting Communists.

    “Traitors? You bet, everyone did & does go after them”

    Does “go after” mean murder Wally? You’ll decide who’s a traitor? Without trial? No problem if you make a mistake, arrest some poor innocent in front of his family, murder him in a way that merits a sealed casket, then try to band-aid over your crime?

    Please list countries that do that.

    “BTW, it’s called WWII, those who aided & abetted Germany’s enemies were asking for trouble”

    Germany lost, you moron. Criminally incompetent leaders, abetted by imbecilic bigots like you, led normal Germans to disaster. Thankfully they know enough to spot you for what you are: an impotent fabricator and rabble-rouser that would lead them, once again, to ruin.

  210. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    Catch up, Germany withdrew from the Versailles ‘treaty’.
    The “Allies’ had blockaded Germany long after the war ended, a massive violation.
    Germany was under no obligation to pay what it did not have and could not get due to the human rights violations of the ‘Allies’.

    without proof, of course, you said:
    “Roughly 1.18% of German civilian population perished. Belgium lost 1.16% (about of third deliberately executed by Germans, the rest to famine and exposure after Germans burned their dwellings). Tiny Serbia won the lottery: 17.78% civilian deaths (27.78% of total population perished)”

    More Zionist BS with no proof. No doubt you found that at Jew controlled Wikipedia. LOL

    说过:
    “Germany blockaded the UK with U-Boats and unrestricted warfare. Was that OK?”

    Yes it certainly was, there was a war on and Britain had targeted German civilians.

    recommended: Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    “sealed van” LOL

    Got proof of German gas vans?
    Nope. We got plenty for that Zionist lie too. Bring it.

    法庭上的“Holocau\$t Industry”:
    “请尊敬,确实有数以百万计的遗骸被埋在巨大的万人坑中,我们知道这些万人坑在哪里,但是,但是,嗯,我们无法向法院展示这些人的遗骸。 您必须相信我们,我们是犹太复国主义者。

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Incitatus
  211. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Violent psychopath Momus:

    Indeed, it is you and your sicko Zionists who are the violent ones. Your admission is noted.

    What “social contract” on Jew defined and contrived ‘hate speech’. Show it to us.

    “That shitty little country” as it’s known is doomed. The sooner the better.

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”

    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  212. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    There’s no avoiding this.

    我们正在谈论所谓的“ 6万犹太人和5M其他人”…… 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though 犹太人声称他们仍然存在,并声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里。

    http://www.codoh.com

  213. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Exploiting labor and murdering seem like mutually exclusive goals.

    But again, wtf were the 6m non-Jews who were supposedly murdered? Chopped liver? Or were you implying that Hitler’s plan for 他们 was a mint on their pillows?

    P.S., love how you’re sticking to that “absence of evidence is evidence” schtick.

    P.P.S., the majority opinion and \$2 will buy you a cup of coffee.

  214. Svigor 说:
    @Crimson2

    Listen to how worked up these people get. “You don’t believe what I believe,” ergo, I hope you’re murdered.”

    The real cream of humanity.

    Or maybe it’s “I don’t believe in the holocaust either, and I hope nothing happens to holocaust ‘deniers’”?

  215. Svigor 说:
    @Crimson2

    “Worst people on the Internet” = people who refuse to worship at the altar of my god, profess my faith, etc.

    Listen to yourself, son. Your religion has you all tied up in knots.

    In case you are somehow ignorant of the fact: you are a textbook bigot, full of bile, spewed from spittle-flecked lips.

    • 回复: @Crimson2
  216. Svigor 说:
    @Tim Howells

    Already used up my “agree.”

    Yeah I was skeptical when Steve first moved here. I mean, I knew Ron Unz was a total mensch, having read his piece on the ethnic angle in the Ivy League, but I had no idea 多少 of a mensch he really is. Easily top of my “righteous Jew” list. Actually he’s kinda only an honorary member because I only consider him Jewish insofar as somebody told me he’s Jewish at some point. In a blind taste test I’d have no friggin’ idea whatsoever.

    • 同意: Seamus Padraig
  217. Svigor 说:
    @MrB

    Eyewitness testimony isn’t decisive, even at its best. And the eyewitness testimony in this case is thoroughly tainted.

    When cops want to get good statements from people, they don’t let them talk with one another before going on the record. That’s because such contact 必将 taints the evidence beyond repair; people start yakking about what happened, and before you know it they’ve decided on a narrative before they go on the record. There have been studies on this. Tons of real information is lost because people are social, herd animals and even their thinking and memory are tainted by the process; they literally forget the shit that isn’t agreed-upon by the group.

    这是 明确地 what has happened with the holocaust narrative. I implore people who aren’t fanatically devoted to holocaustianity to just go and read a good number of holocaust testimonials with a critical eye. If one is a capable critical thinker, they are the opposite of supportive of the orthodox narrative of the holocaust.

    And don’t forget to read all the stuff that has been debunked (lampshades and soap made from Jews, steam rooms used to kill Jews, electric-shock floor plating used to kill Jews, etc.).

    • 回复: @Karl
  218. Svigor 说:
    @MrB

    Rumours spread and frightened people connected dots that weren’t actually there. Some heard there were gas chambers and that all those chosen would be killed instantly after arrival at Auschwitz etc.

    BINGO. Not just frightened. Angry and vengeful, too. A lot of Jews have a pretty ingrained sense of their own superiority over the rest of humanity. Imagine their indignation at being treated as enemies of the state and herded into prison camps. Jews are pretty ethnocentric, and well known for having aggressive and rather vindictive personalities, especially against antisemites.

    It’s not hard to do the math on this, which is why I give testimony so little weight. This is before we even get to all the testimony that is clearly bullshit (retroactive omniscience where somehow Jews knew exactly what was going on, at all times, despite the fact that they were sitting in prison camps and had very little in the way of hard data to go by).

  219. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Jews: “Disagreeing with the Jewish narrative = inciting hate and promulgating violence, which should be a jailing offense.”

    Also Jews: Palestinians are animals and terrorists.

    • 回复: @Momus
  220. Svigor 说:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve often asked Jews for diagrams of the gas chambers. I get pics of a door, pics of a few dozen emaciated corpses in a ditch, I get invective, but I never get diagrams of the gas chambers.

    The murder weapon in the crime of the millennium and nobody has a diagram.

    People call me a holocaust denier, because that’s how their narrow-minded little brains are wired, but I’m not. I just don’t take the orthodox narrative seriously because its purveyors don’t take it seriously. They promote it like a fanatical religion, not like a topic for serious thought.

    • 回复: @Momus
  221. Svigor 说:
    @Anonymous

    “Not buying”; precisely! I’m just not convinced. I smell a horde of rats.

    That makes me a heretic who must be punished.

  222. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Hey, can’t expect rigor from us on that score until you get Jews to clean up their act vis-a-vis the holocaust, amirite? They’re much bigger offenders than our plucky little band.

    • 回复: @Momus
  223. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    Sounds dire. Where do your figures come from?

    where do yours come from?

    say, for example, Auschwitz?

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  224. Momus 说:
    @Svigor

    Race hate laws don’t work like that. Anyone inciting against a particular group falls under their aegis.

    It is true that all humans are animals and a lot of Palestinians have been shown as terrorists.

    Israel is the biggest provider of humanitarian aid to Gaza. No one is starving to death and Gaza’s collapse is certainly not in Israel’s interest or desires.

    • 回复: @Svigor
  225. Incitatus 说:
    @Wally

    “Catch up, Germany withdrew from the Versailles ‘treaty’”

    Catch up, Nazi Germany was destroyed. Leveled. Leaders were exposed as utterly incompetent.

    “The “Allies’ had blockaded Germany long after the war [WW1] ended, a massive violation”

    Violation of what, you moron? Standards of humanity they denied their victims in Belgium, France, Russia, and Serbia?

    “Germany was under no obligation to pay what it did not have…”

    German leaders assumed that obligation when they launched war, invaded, looted and destroyed neighboring countries and lost. They betrayed Germany.

    “Yes it [U-Boat blockade of UK] certainly was [OK], there was a war on and Britain had targeted German civilians”

    Thanks, Wally. German deaths from the British Blockade must then be OK.

    “More Zionist BS with no proof”

    Is this what you send your utility provider when you forget to pay the electricity bill? Good luck!

    Let’s return to questions unanswered. The murdered souls (not Communists) of Operation Hummingbird:

    • Chancellor Schleicher and his wife (shot in their foyer);
    • Herbert von Bose (shot ten times in the back);
    • Generalmajor Ferdinand von Bredow (shot in the face opening his door);
    • 天主教记者Fritz Gerlich(在道豪被谋杀);
    • Conservative lawyer Edgar Julius Jung (shot, dumped in an Oranienburg ditch);
    • 天主教政治家和Papen 助手Erich Klausener(被党卫队枪杀);
    • 天主教青年领袖Adalbert Probst(被绑架,“试图逃跑时被枪杀”);
    • Gustav Ritter von Kahr, former Bavarian commissioner (found hacked to death with pickaxes in a wood outside of Munich);
    • Otto Ballerstedt former Hitler rival and assault victim (found 1 Jul ’34 in the forest near Gündinger Neuhimmelreich – shot in the back of the head);
    • Bernhard Stempfle, a Catholic priest and Hitler confidant – found dead 1 Jul ’34 in the woods near Harlaching. Reports noted ‘broken neck’ or shot in the heart “while trying to escape;
    • Willi Schmid, music critic for the Müncher Neueste Nachtricten, arrested in front of his family, murdered by mistake;
    • Loyal SA Ernst Röhm and dozens of other loyal SA (some even wished for death rather than displeasing the Führer);

    What was their crime, Wally? They weren’t Communists. “Traitors”? To What? Give us a hint.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @anon111
  226. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    说过:
    “Standards of humanity they denied their victims in Belgium, France, Russia, and Serbia?”

    There was a war on & people died on all sides. Next.

    说过:
    “German leaders assumed that obligation when they launched war, invaded, looted and destroyed neighboring countries and lost.”

    But they didn’t. Try to follow along.

    说过:
    “German deaths from the British Blockade must then be OK.”

    Nope, there was no war on and it was in violation of international law. Next.

    Lot of random names, no proof. And BTW, treason is not accepted in any country.
    But then you are a classic, not too bright Zionist. That was easy.

    我们所说的是所谓的“ 6万犹太人和5M其他人”……11,000,000万。
    尽管犹太人声称仍然存在,但没有一个可验证的挖掘出的巨大坟墓,其内容实际上是被展示的,而不仅仅是被宣称的(请记住,埋葬在Treblinka的900,000,在奥斯威辛集中营的1,250,000,在Sobibor的250,000,在Babi Yar的34,000)。并声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里。

  227. Karl 说:
    @Svigor

    225 Svigor > I implore people who aren’t fanatically devoted to holocaustianity to just go and read a good number of holocaust testimonials with a critical eye

    Reading this article by Mr David Irving, I see nothing which bothers me as a Hebrew nationalist.

    Anyone who reads English can visit the library of the Sea Officer Academy (run as a public high school) in Akko (“Acre” on many English maps), and see detailed accounts of how the Israel Merchant Marine is grateful to Mussolini for allowing Hebrew-speaking youths to attend the Italian Maritime Academy (it lasted a short while)

    I am proud that my Hebrew-speaking ancestors tried (mostly fruitlessly) to like-wise make a deal with the Third Reich to get assist the cause of getting the fucking British Occupiers out of Judea

  228. Incitatus 说:

    “There was a war on & people died on all sides. Next.”

    Right. Nobody should care about Germans who died? Thanks Wally. You proved my point. You are the worst enemy of ordinary Germans, a want-to-be Nazi that wants [them] to refight the last war. Does the term ‘scum-bag’ seem familiar? Look in the mirror – there you have it!

    German leaders assumed that obligation when they launched war, invaded, looted and destroyed neighboring countries and lost [WW1].
    “But they didn’t. Try to follow along.”

    Yes, Wally, Wilhelmine Germany lost. Try to catch up.

    “Nope, there was no war on and it was in violation of international law. Next”

    What law, Wally? The same violated by Germany from day one? Have you talked to jilles?

    “Lot of random names, no proof. And BTW, treason is not accepted in any country”

    There were no trials, no proof required. Victims were murdered (some quite brutally). You’ve not provided any proof of treason or that any murders were legitimate. Why?

    “We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’”

    Correction: you’re talking about ’6M Jews & 5M others’ – codoh trademark denial spam. As said before, it’s cats and dogs fighting again, another subject entirely. Needless to say I disagree with codoh, but that doesn’t mean I’ll be drawn into the inner web of highly rehearsed codoh ‘revisionism” (lies and excuses).

    I’m talking about loyal Aryans, loyal Nazis, murdered by Hitler in Hummingbird ’34 and Aktion T4. You have no defense, no excuse. Only frantic denial. Why, Wally?

    • 回复: @Wally
  229. Momus 说:
    @Svigor

    Yes, and the claims for Stalin’s efforts range from a couple of million to 60 million.

    Get back to me please when you have a firm figure and the location of all the remains. 😉

    • 回复: @Svigor
  230. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    What figures? I never, ever claim numbers.

  231. anon111 说:
    @Incitatus

    Catch up, Nazi Germany was destroyed. Leveled. Leaders were exposed as utterly incompetent.

    They turned their economy around in the teeth of a worldwide depression along with a boycott of all German products by world jewry and then conquered all of continental Europe, much of North Africa and half of Russia.

    All that from a nation of 70 million?

    Someone must have been competent

  232. Tbbh 说:

    Look! A moron, with no degree, that caters his ahistorical books to the fever dreams of wannabee nazis, that missed the boat by 73 years.

    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Svigor
  233. anon111 说:
    @Tbbh

    Look! A random nobody slandering a much better man than him

    You’ve never seen that on the internet before

  234. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    “Jewish Berserkers” as Ron Unz put it. Just like the antifa crowd, their criminal acts get a free pass on account of their alleged victim status.

  235. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Them Guys

    And after spending from typically 1/2 a day to a full 8 hr work day every month inside the same jewish home and being able to observe typical jewish behavior in said homes. Seeing their small kids grow to adult hood during a 25 year span of time doing so.

    My ears just perked up. What exactly did you do? What exactly did you learn? I’d be very grateful to hear of your unique perspective and subsequent conclusions.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  236. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    What “social contract” on Jew defined and contrived ‘hate speech’. Show it to us.

    Benthic Wally

    https://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/#H2

  237. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    The details of the Holocaust are unimportant to the majority of the worlds population;

    They should be …

    They know beyond doubt Hitler and his SS set up a brutal apparatus for the enslaving and killing of Europe’s Jews.

    … because the details prove that these ‘concentration camps’ were designed to provide a concentrated labor supply for the neighboring industrial parks. The concentration camps had all the amenities necessary to keep their inmates healthy and economically productive, and none of the amenities necessary to carry out mass killings.

    • 回复: @Momus
  238. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    I understand the distinction you’re trying to make and I’ve heard the stories about how horrific the conditions on the Nazi trains were, and how so many people died from dehydration and cold even before they reached the concentration camps.

    But then again if the gas chambers were a lie, shouldn’t I do some serious research into the ‘rail trucking’ allegations before I take them as a fact?

    I don’t have time for that right now, so I’m going to have to file that in the ‘dubious’ category and confer the same status upon any dependent arguments.

    • 回复: @Momus
  239. edNels 说:
    @Astraea

    What exactly isKissinger’s role inour World? OUR World!

    Kissinger is sort of a wise old uncle who was a wiz kid from the upper West Side, he is seen in all the right places with great looking women, He wispers shit in peoples ears, like Merrill lynch… Nixon liked him so much he made him WH mascot. Don’t matter what he says, with that gravelly Col. Klink accent it’s gatta be important!

    It’s good to be a Rockefeller protege, (in the biography, both of them I think.) Maybe Putin is too. Didn’t read about that yet though.

  240. Wally 说:
    @Incitatus

    War is hell, Incitatus. Germany tried to protect itself like all countries do.
    And being a Jew / Zionist you should know all about killing innocents.

    There was no looting by Germans, communists indeed.
    And being a Jew / Zionist you should know all about looting.

    Germany violated no laws as I have demonstrated.
    And being a Jew / Zionist you should know all about violating international law.
    What murders? You pesented no proof, just random names. From Wikipedia? LOL
    And being a Jew / Zionist you should know all about murder.

    Once cannot deny what could not happen.
    修正主义者只是使者,“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬可能性是信息。
    And hellooo: https://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/
    那很简单。
    http://www.codoh.com

  241. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Next the SS concentration camps will be slimming getaways for overweight Jews, you wanker.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Anonymous
  242. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Gas chambers a lie?

    Their design and barbaric function has been proven and detailed many times.

    • 回复: @Harbinger
    , @Svigor
  243. Harbinger 说:
    @Anon

    “David Irving is a sad case.”

    How many books has he released?
    How respected was he as a historian before the Jews got their claws into him?
    How much has he fought to get the German story across, the Jewish controlled west wants hidden away under lock and key?
    And tell me, what have you done that come remotely close in your life, to gain the same, worldwide acclaim, that Irving has?

    “He started out as a serious historian but ruined his reputation with needless provocations and mindless apologies for Hitler, blaming everything on his henchmen. At some point, he began to willfully court controversy just to trigger people. And willfully appeal to neo-Nazi nutjobs.”

    Irving opened up the world to the ‘other story’. He, courtesy of working in Germany and learning how to speak German fluently, listened to the Germans’ story. He, couldn’t quite fathom how a brilliant people could turn into monsters overnight and like all people who search for the truth on WW2 and the German people, come to the horrifying truth, that they’ve been lied to all their lives, but a heavily controlled Jewish msm, Hollywood and academia, which paints Jews as the eternal victims and those who do wrong to them are horrible, evil, monsters.

    David Irving, unlike other historians who merely quoted one another, actually took the time to seek out prominent German figures, gaining their trust for his book on the bombing of Dresden, which then opened up the truth, something other western historians were alien to writing about. Not one of them could ever gain the trust of the Germans, so wrote what they were told to write, most certainly funded by Jewish organizations, most notably the publishing houses their books were printed in.

    And again, the attempts at defamation with the ubiquitous ‘neo nazi’ slurs. Well, firstly there will be many people who read Irving and become an admirer of him, from all walks of like. More so, I’m sure that there are murderers, rapists, pedophiles who read, watch, listen to and follow many famous people in this world. Shall we tar them, as you have Irving, because of certain elements within their fan base?

    There is no other historian, on this earth, more knowledgeable on Hitler, the Third Reich, Germany and WWII than David Irving. To castigate, pillory and lambaste him as you have not only shows that you are utterly ignorant on Irving, but I suspect that you are most certainly an employ of some Jewish organization, here to troll a debate on him.

    The Jews are panicking because their house of cards is beginning to tumble. They despise the truth, when its uncovered because it destroy century upon century of Jewish deceit.

    • 同意: Them Guys
    • 回复: @anon111
  244. Momus 说:
    @Svigor

    So a design sketch of a gas chamber will convert you from racist denier to holocaust advocate?

    Try this mental sketch:

    You and your family are locked in the back of a petrol engined Renault furniture removalists truck organised with the exhaust running inside and driven up a long steep hill by a SS man.

  245. Harbinger 说:
    @Anonymous

    “Is David Irving a “Holocaust Denier”? Wikipedia claims he is but I’m not sure exactly what “Holocaust denier” means. Seems vague.”

    A Holocaust denier, today, is anyone who questions the official story of that part of history. Unlike other history, it is not allowed to be revised, as in doing so is anti Semitic and hateful to Jews. There’s only one conclusion to this definition – if you do not allow people to revise a certain part of history, it simply means you are hiding something that you do not wish known.

    “In any event, I do believe he said that “not much happened” at Auschwitz. To the “Holocaust Deniers”: Is it not indeed true that there were approximately 4-6 million fewer Jews in Europe (and on Earth) after the war than before? The World Almanac did update to reflect this fact, contrary to some claims.”

    Interesting, the World Almanac, that never lies, updated the number of Jews. Hmm….
    What’s even more interesting is that the changed figure accounts for the deaths of some 4.5million Jews, when today, recent finding have shown that the 6million death toll has been reduced to around 2 million and less.

    “Where did the ~4.5 million Jews go between 1941 and 1949 (according to the Almanac figures. 15.75 million vs 11.27 million)? Did they shed their Jewish identities and disappear into the Soviet Union?”

    They changed their names and moved into the west.
    The 6million figure is a laughable lie and nothing more.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  246. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Their design and barbaric function has been proven and detailed many times.”

    Auschwitz has already stated that the chambers there were built after the war by the Russians. Why would they rebuild them? What is the purpose? More importantly who knocked them down? You don’t find it odd that they were ‘rebuilt’? If this wasn’t anything to do with the holocaust and this absurdity was part of another historical incident, it would be laughed out of the court room, as a lie, which it is.
    Tell me, what gas chambers do you know that have windows in them?
    Yup, that’s right, windows. And of course what would have happened to those outside of the gas chambers had those being gassed decided to smash them? Where would the gas inside go? But no, they were well behaved victims weren’t they? Yup, mustn’t break the windows.
    And another oddity within were the doors. Yes, they opened inwards, not outwards but inwards. So a small room, over-packed with hundreds of Jews wouldn’t block the door from opening at all would they?

    Listen you fool, when people start investigating the gas chambers they end up falling about with laughter at the ridiculous design of them. We are talking about Germans here, not some low IQ black from Liberia. Germans were precision perfect in everything they did.

    It is only when one studies the holocaust does one truly understand Jewish power in not only completely controlling the narrative in anything, but their ability to silence and destroy anyone who begins to uncover the truth.

    • 同意: Mike P
    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Momus
  247. Most names mean little to me, but
    ” Loyal SA Ernst Röhm and dozens of other loyal SA ”
    here I can enlighten you.
    Hitler needed the Wehrmacht, thus SA power had to be reduced.
    Röhm did not like that, and planned a coup, together with Ukrainian emigrés.

  248. Them Guys 说:
    @Anonymous

    I rather not say what type work I did. It could make it very easy for a few nefarious types to figure out who I am. My job was just another type of a normal job and work….However there were just two companies that did this type work. I worked at both but mainly remained with just one of the two.….There are a few more companies, but None are willing to do any private homes and only do commercial and industrial job sites…I have done all that also, but private home work pays far more and is much cleaner and quieter work enviroments to be at. Multi million dollar homes compared to dirty factories etc…But to do private and especially wealthy folks homes does require a kind of a finness'(sp?) or you will get told to leave. Most guys used to commercial type jobs can’t do properly at private homes etc.

    As to what I was able to learn of jews etc….Well basically a very good verification of sorts that most of all we heard and see being posted here regards jewish ways, and various specifics usually related to their ethnic group actually is factual and truthful.

    Basically stuff like how most jews really do believe they are so much better and special when compared to non jews. I also dealt with non jews doing exact same work. Some of them likewise were a real Pain in ass to be around. But, Nobody and I mean No others compare to jews when they show their jewy nasty side and attitude.

    I never got into any holohoax discussions with them, due to back then I was not yet aware or jewized up on the too many falsehoods and lies jews perpetrate about holohoax events.

    But being around people 1/2 to a full work day usually means at some point talk happens and not just typical nice speak of hows the weather outside?….Or is it going to rain today ya think?

    And as many understand jews are a difficult type in every possible way usually. And their kids are for some reason usually very mean spirited. I guess some things are difficult to put into words so it is hard to covey such issues here in a posting reply.

    Plus as I stated, if I told you what work I did, not that is anything out of the ordinary, but due to not very many people do this type work, and especially less yet do this work for Private homeowners, it would be too easy for someone to figure out my real name etc.

    For an example, I’d say and say so from a lifetime of doing such work at several companies, that in the entire Detroit and greater Detroit suburban areas and cities, there are probably no more than, at Most 100 such workforce total. Likely less yet than that number. So this makes it too easy to discover my true ID etc I think. I’d prefer to be able to discuss my job work as I was very good at it as obviously one must be in order to be allowed into very wealthy, and even at times very famous folks homes. And not just to work on say, a broken water pipe or similar work. But my job entailed I have total access into every room and part of a home inside and outside.

    So I believe folks can understand my being unwilling to reveal such work I did being how probably 95+% of customers I worked for are jewish, and just look at what most of my postings here are about! It just is better to not create problems as one never knows what the future holds eh. Who knows I may one day wish to return to work or a different job where I may again come into contact with the same folks?…..

    Basically all my prior post means is that I feel personally and as a non jew, that from that job experience and at it for 25 yrs long, with on avg monthly returns to same job sites and same people there….That it gave me an insight more akin to a jew insider of sorts for lack of better term.

    And it verified for me, and as well I can say, same goes for all co-workers I worked with over the years too that all would agree 100% that we all got our fill of jewy Jewishness to the max!

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  249. Them Guys 说:
    @Momus

    Stick to Facts as reported by a million+ jew frauds eh….They forced 2.500 jews into basically a poorly made TWO CAR Garage sized building!…..Then turned on the Gaaassss!……Waited a few moments, then, depending which jew relates story, either sent in a few jews or sent in Nazi ss guys to drag out all 2.500 dead jews bodies….Ten refill and do over and over, typical time frame per each group load of 2,500 jews was….10-Minits per!!!

    But for that little jewboy that claims hes alive due to he found a WINDOW same as reg type house window, and he says stupid ass Nazis Forgot to Lock said window!….This made possible for him to escape gas chamber and do so…9-TIMES!!! From his ages of 6 yrs old until9 yrs old when finally freed by allied forces…He said he held his breath 10 minits, while dragging a few dead adult bodies to below window to use like a step stool ladder and simply Climbed up bodies to jump out now opened window!!…Its anudda jewish unexplainable miracle I tells ya!

    It is ALL so Much a bunch of hokum and lies it aint funny eh. 2,500 humans inside a TWO Car Garage size dwelling?….Another jew Miricle Cohencidence of course….

    Almost forgot! Every jew and Nazi ss that entered imidiatly after gas shut off, went inside with ONLY thin rag covering to cover vital mouth and nose areas of faces!….NO Gloves typically, NO “Moon” Chemical protective type Suits, NO personal separate Oxygen source to Breathe fresh air…..Just HOLD their breath TEN Minits and when done dragging out dead bodies….Wipe hands off on Pants so no gas deadly residue gets wiped on face or mouth etc and kill them also eh?

    So tells us by them so smartest IQ jews correct? A fucking total Crock and 99.9% of jewry is unable to let it go and speak real truth ever..Boy am I glad I aint a jew momus.

    • 回复: @Momus
  250. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    The gassing chamber at Auschwitz main camp was originally the morgue/crematorium. At the end of 1941 it was converted into a ‘homicidal gas chamber’

    During the war, in late 1944, it was converted into an air-raid shelter; after the war it was restored by the authorities to represent the original state. The attempt was partially symbolic and partially botched.

    As far as the ‘windows’ go there were no windows in the gassing chamber. There was a door to the washroom with a window. During the post war reconstruction of the crematorium from air raid shelter, the wall from the washroom to the morgue/crematorium was mistakenly removed giving the impression that the gassing room was served with a windowed door.

    The inward opening/swinging door door denier point has been extensively debunked by referring to the SS’s own plans. The gassing chamber did indeed have outward opening doors but a drafting mistake and a subsequent lazy copy of the same drawing showed them inward opening. Of course during the conversion to a gas chamber the job was site run and outward opening doors fitted.

    After the conversion to air raid shelter the wall and door was completely removed.

    Listen you fool, when people start investigating the gas chambers they end up falling about with laughter at the ridiculous design of them. We are talking about Germans here, not some low IQ black from Liberia. Germans were precision perfect in everything they did.

    The details of Auschwitz and Birkenau have been researched in meticulous detail and building details like the ones deniers make claims about can be refuted by simple examination of the Nazi SS’s own drawings.

    You are the fool, and lazy and incompetent in your certitude that the denier garbage you have swallowed is accurate. If German precision and yourself intersected on this matter then you would have been shot in the neck.

    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Harbinger
  251. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    Why are you worried about revealing who you are?

    It wouldn’t be because you are an obnoxious anti semite engaged in virulent hate speech who ironically could be a target for violence because of the feelings you engendered?

    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Svigor
    , @Anonymous
  252. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    At Birkenau, Crematoria 4 and 5 had openings in the wall that were used to introduce the Zyklon pellets.

    These windows/apertures, were heavily grilled on the inside and with sealed shutters on the outside.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Harbinger
  253. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    You had not heard of the mobile carbon monoxide/oxygen deprivation gassing chambers before?

    • 回复: @Svigor
  254. anon111 说:
    @Harbinger

    Irving opened up the world to the ‘other story’. He, courtesy of working in Germany and learning how to speak German fluently, listened to the Germans’ story. He, couldn’t quite fathom how a brilliant people could turn into monsters overnight and like all people who search for the truth on WW2 and the German people, come to the horrifying truth, that they’ve been lied to all their lives, but a heavily controlled Jewish msm, Hollywood and academia, which paints Jews as the eternal victims and those who do wrong to them are horrible, evil, monsters.

    this is similar to what someone is trying have us believe about Assad in Syria. Was it 7-8 years ago the MSM was running articles about what a wonderful westernized couple he and his wife were? He was an opthalmologist who protected the Christian minority in Syria, and now? He’s the devil incarnate who is supposedly bombing and gassing his own people

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  255. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    they now admit they were off by at least 4x on the numbers at Auschwitz

    why should anyone believe anything else they have to say at this point?

    • 回复: @Momus
  256. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    you can engage in virulent hate speech against whites all day and nothing happens to you

    what’s so special about you, honey?

    • 回复: @Momus
  257. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    they now admit they were off by at least 4x on the numbers at Auschwitz

    why should anyone believe anything else they have to say at this point?

    I’m not sure who ‘they’ are and who it is deniers reckon set the ‘official numbers’ if any.

    I pointedly note the convicted criminal denier David Irving has accepted much of what he formerly refuted regarding the numbers the Nazis murdered and suggests a figure of 4 million is not impossible.

    The numbers doesn’t concern the vast majority of people who accept the overwhelming mountains of evidence detailing the Nazis erection of the ideological, organizational and materiel apparatus of the Shoah.

    • 回复: @anon111
  258. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    you can engage in virulent hate speech against whites all day and nothing happens to you

    what’s so special about you, honey?

    Huh? You’re licking windows mate.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @anon111
  259. headrick 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    I think Hitler wanted a rail link to the actually German city of Danzig which was given to Poland at the end of WWI, with no road or rail link to Germany. So when the Poles told Hitler to pound sand, (at the urging of Churchill) Hitler became unreasonably angry, and did not believe the war guarantee given to Poland if Germany attacked. Who the hell would go to war over that? Well England. So Hitler did not lust for war with England. He did not like Russia at all especially since he was at war in the streets of Germany literally with the
    Socialists backed by Russia. Invading Russia- well Hitler had a good deal of mental support for that.

  260. peterAUS 说:
    @Harbinger

    A Holocaust denier, today, is anyone who questions the official story of that part of history. Unlike other history, it is not allowed to be revised, as in doing so is anti Semitic and hateful to Jews. There’s only one conclusion to this definition – if you do not allow people to revise a certain part of history, it simply means you are hiding something that you do not wish known.

    Hard to argue that.

    But, then, it’s not really that simple.

    There is layer below all that…. game.

    The power play.

    People who want to challenge that narrative aren’t, really, in freedom of speech etc.
    They are into challenging the current power structure and even social order.
    High stakes. Harsh methods.

    反正我的 2 美分。

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Harbinger
  261. Anonymous [AKA "John Dietrich"] 说: • 您的网站
    @Momus

    Momus, There is so much disinformation about this period it is difficult to arrive at an accurate account. Much information was acquired through torture. Wartime propaganda (lampshades, etc.) is still being reported as fact. The crimes of the allies (often more vicious than the Nazis) are whitewashed. You cannot deny any of these sentences. Read my book on the Morgenthau Plan.

    • 回复: @Momus
  262. iffen 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Wot’s this? No 1600 word response from R. Unz? Must be too busy coding and making money.

  263. iffen 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    As for whether there should or should not be moral opprobrium or social consequences for one’s beliefs, no law protects people from such consequences

    And rightly so, or we should just forget the whole damn thing.

  264. Rurik 说:
    @peterAUS

    People who want to challenge that narrative aren’t, really, in freedom of speech etc.
    They are into challenging the current power structure and even social order.
    高赌注。

    I suspect they’d like to see the people responsible for 9/11 and all the subsequent wars based on lies, and all the war crimes and torture and assorted atrocities…

    brought to justice.

    Imagine Tony Blair, George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Bibi, Obama, Ehud Barak, the assorted presidents and prime ministers in Europe who went along with bombing Iraq and Libya and Syria and so many other nations…

    brought to justice at the Hague, and eventually given the Saddam Hussein treatment.

    (who hasn’t fanaticized of Hillary standing there in place of Saddam, as the door drops, and the dancing begins. I’d call it The Last Cackle ; )

    Imagine what that would do to the social order of things.

    If the Holy H narrative ever got widely exposed for the fraud that it’s always been, what would that do to Israel’s raison d’etre?

    What would it do to the standing of people like Elie Wiesel and the rest of the professional liars?

    Would it bolster Germany’s sense of shame, to know that it’s been lied about all these years?

    Would Germany continue to hand over free submarines? Continue to self-flagellate, if it became widely known that there were no lampshades made from human skin, or soap made of Jewish fat?

    Would the West continue to feel the need to commit ethnic suicide over its guilt, when the Holocaust museums and monuments all become objects of ridicule?

    Would the West continue to look the other way, when it isn’t assisting with the genocide of the Palestinians, if it became widely known that the first pretext for creating a homeland for the Jews – the holy Holocaust – was all a fraud and a blood libel to begin with?

    嗯..

    • 回复: @Rurik
  265. Rurik 说:
    @Rurik

    They are into challenging the current power structure and even social order.

    as an addendum

  266. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    Yawn. No proof exist at all. Now everyone, see this:
    It’s claimed that Germans ‘exterminated’ Jews by dumping granules of pesticide Zyklon-B through four openings / holes for little chimney-like structures that were secured upon the roofs of two gas chambers built alongside crematoriums II & III at Auschwitz/Birkenau.

    照片1: 没有火葬场屋顶的顶部。 2拍摄于 1943 年 XNUMX 月/XNUMX 月 那里没有这样的“小烟囱”或“洞”。 请注意,小烟囱据称是大约。 2英尺高。 雪是大约。 2-3英寸高。
    According to Auschwitz “expert” Robert Jan Van Pelt (who appeared at the Irving/Lipstadt trial), the insertion columns, which were said to protrude out from the roof, were added as an adaptation in 八月,1942。

    照片2: underside of crematorium II, post war
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1334
    注意没有这样的开口/洞存在于火葬场的屋顶下面。 II(所谓的“毒气室”,没有迹象表明这些开口/孔已被填满。
    看到这里更多:
    ‘So where are the ‘holes & little chimneys’ for Zyklon-B ??’
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9262

  267. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    I dunno; how can I convince you to stop beating your wife?

    Diagrams of the gas chambers would show that Team Orthodox at least took their job seriously. I’d much prefer pictures of the chambers being deconstructed to show their design, along with a convincing pedigree (i.e., chain of evidence) so they can plausibly be seen as genuine.

    • 回复: @Momus
  268. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Picture the idiot who tries to mass murder people with engine exhaust and “death marches”; does he really seem like a determined idiot, or more like his heart isn’t in it?

  269. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Jews are animals, gotcha. I’ll refer any Jewish objectors to your comment.

  270. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Only after you show me the legal regime jailing people for questioning it, people hounded out of their jobs for questioning it, Jews who get all het up over people questioning it, etc.

  271. shredder 说:

    Why should discussions of the “truth” of the holocaust, WWII (or 911) be of interest to the average liberal? I think a convincing argument can be made that it is to an effective counter to hate speech.

    If in private settings I express dissent from the official narrative, (the holocaust or 911 for example) the automatic accusation is that I am a conspiracy theorist… paranoid…antisemite….nazi?

    My work around is to to start by defining hate speech as that which incentivizes or justifies violence. Clearly hating the winter or onions does not inspire violence. From there it easy to show that even if the holocaust and 911 were true, that the use of that “truth” to justify violence, or to suppress those who dissent from the violence is a form of hate speech. Thus I agree with the liberal that speech can be hateful, or inspire hate even if true. This can be demonstrated to a lot of people if a patient gentle approach is used.

  272. Svigor 说:
    @Tbbh

    “No degree” Credentialism in the study of history is for rubes.

    Or anal history professors.

    Seriously, every properly educated person knows how silly the idea is.

    例如,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill_as_historian
    https://www.google.com/search?q=winston+churchill+historian

    Note the controversy has nothing to do with his (lack of) academic credentials, only his “unfair” access.

    Objecting to historians lacking history degrees is like objecting to teachers lacking education degrees, politicians lacking poli-sci degrees, or ESL teachers lacking English degrees; persnickety bullshit that serious people laugh at when you’re out of earshot.

    History, political science, and English are not professions; even demanding a humanities degree of some kind is stupid.

    • 回复: @Momus
  273. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    Jews are aggressive and tend to resort to violence when they are much stronger than their adversaries; how is this ironic?

  274. Svigor 说:
    @Momus

    是啊, an efficient way to kill millions of people.

  275. anarchyst 说:

    没有一个文件概述任何针对犹太人或其他人的灭绝计划。 实际上,著名的犹太复国主义者与德国政府合作,并在德国政府的最高层制定了计划,将犹太人“转移”到当时的巴勒斯坦。 灭绝绝对没有。

    国际红十字会官方统计的所有难民营“死亡”总数约为731,000,而不是“ 6万”。 实际上,第二次世界大战之前和第二次世界大战之后的人口总数表明,战争刚结束后,第二次世界大战后欧洲的犹太人口增加了……

    如果一个国家死于种族灭绝,为什么会保留记录? 为什么会在数百(如果不是数千)英里之外的“营地”建造卫生设施,住房,医疗,娱乐和其他辅助设施? 仅通过“消除”这些麻烦而不经历所有这些麻烦,难道不是一件容易的事吗? 如果目标是灭绝,他们为什么要利用有限的能源在后勤运输上投入大量精力? 事情不会“累加”……

    在整个犹太人的“大屠杀”交易中,有些“大发”。 犹太犹太复国主义者与德国政府进行“交易”以使犹太德国人的生活“不舒服”已不是什么秘密。 实际上,犹太犹太复国主义者的领导人首先提出,所有犹太人都佩戴“黄色大卫王之星”袖标,以便于识别。 德国犹太人首先认为自己是德国人,不希望移民。

    [更多]

    自6,000,000年代以来,与1800万人口一起建立“家园”一直是犹太复国主义者的“梦想”。 从1800年代开始,一天中的许多期刊都吹捧着“六百万”的数字。

    有什么比使“德国社会的奶油”(犹太人)困难的事更好的鼓励“移民”到异国的方式呢? 关于所谓的犹太“大屠杀™”的真相已经揭晓。 。 。

    由于一个人的火化需要数小时,因此大屠杀™发起人要求的时间是物理上,科学上和统计学上的不可能。 他们的主张也没有考虑到火葬场需要进行维护的“停机时间”等。此外,没有与“ 1950万”甚至“ XNUMX万”的主张相称的大规模埋葬地点。 犹太人禁止挖掘声称的可能的墓地。 为什么?? 因为他们不存在。 甚至还禁止使用探地雷达搜索墓地。 为什么?? 如果数以百万计的人被毒死和火化,这些活动将持续到XNUMX年代。

    所谓的犹太“大屠杀™”已经变成了事实上的“宗教”,不允许偏离正统。 事实上,在大多数欧洲国家,对犹太“大屠杀™”真相的独立调查是严格禁止的,否则将面临罚款和监禁。 在美国,情况并没有那么糟糕,只有那些害怕犹太人“大屠杀™”的真实真相被揭露的“部落”手中的失业和个人和职业破坏是显而易见的。 在“袋鼠法庭”起诉那些敢于调查这一历史事件的人,真相不能用作辩护或作为证据。 向你们“大屠杀™”推动者提出一个问题——为什么有法律将寻求真相定为犯罪? 你有什么好怕的??

    当有关这一历史事件的真相问世时,它将改变世界上许多人对将这一事件当作“摇钱树”的“摇钱树”的看法。 。 。 “没有像“ SHOAH业务”这样的业务。 在此事件中,犹太复国主义者的同谋被仔细地“掩盖”了。

    当前审查制度的一个很好的例子是等待那些敢于质疑“官方”犹太“大屠杀”正统观念的人们的命运。 大多数欧洲国家已将任何偏离“官方”犹太“大屠杀”故事的思想定为犯罪。 为什么?? 实际上,在“万物大屠杀™”方面,TRUTH并不是防御。 Ask指出二战研究员David Irving,为避免受到惩罚,他被迫撤回TRUTH。

    “大屠杀™”的最新“受害者”是乌苏拉·哈弗贝克和莫妮卡·谢弗,她们都是 80 多岁的祖母,他们因“不正确的想法”在德国被起诉并判处最高安全级别的监狱。

    如果人们只知道为犹太人的“大屠杀”而进行的计划(在“选择的”计划中),那将是一个庞大的大屠杀。 您会看到,犹太人的“大屠杀”对于迫使建立犹太国家是必要的。 在这种情况下,ENDS证明了MEANS的合理性。 在整个人类历史上,曾有过许多悲惨得多的“大屠杀”,但犹太人的“大屠杀™”是唯一值得一提的悲剧。 。 。 有趣的是,“大屠杀”一词在第二次世界大战期间或之后从未使用过,直到2年代才盛行,当时人们注意到“罪恶感”可以被分配,赔偿可以得到赔偿。采购。

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome”. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations. Accprding to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected” with this “malady”.

    自1933年犹太复国主义犹太人向德国宣战以来(是,1933年),德国人别无选择,只能完成将犹太人边缘化的犹太复国主义计划(至少可以这样说)。这实现了犹太复国主义强迫德国犹太人移民的计划。巴勒斯坦,同时使犹太人成为世界的“故乡”-以色列。 有趣的是,德国抵制犹太人的活动持续了一天,而犹太人的抵制(实际上是犹太人对德国的宣战)始于1933年,一直持续到第二次世界大战的总和。

    犹太复国主义者在过去的6年中一直在预测犹太人的“家园”,而在相同的时间内预测731,000万的“大屠杀™”。 在欧洲行动区中,非战斗人员的实际死亡人数约为6,而不是XNUMX万(国际红十字会的官方数字)。 国际红十字会在战争期间可以全面进入所有营地,但没有报告灭绝或大屠杀的一瞬间。

    关于“大屠杀™”“奥斯威辛集中营”,所谓的“气室”的设计存在工程上的矛盾。 门不是气密设计的; 这样就不可能取回尸体,在所谓的“加气”发生之后,就没有办法使房间通风。” 有一个“气室”烟囱没有连接任何东西。 从工程的角度来看,这些都是非常严重的错误,将导致这些所谓的“气室”的“操作员”死亡。 由于德国人是优秀的工程师,因此很难观察到目前在这些“营地”中存在的明显的工程错误。

    美国执行专家弗雷德·勒赫特(Fred Leuchter)前往奥斯威辛集中营,秘密地从所谓的“毒气室”获得了样本,对其进行了测试并发表了他的结果。 除一个样本外,所有样本中均不存在普鲁士蓝(铁氰化物),这证明“气室”不存在。 从用于消毒衣物的房间中获取一个阳性样品。 实际上,所谓的“毒气室”的“烟囱”没有连接任何东西。

    洛伊克特先生因对“真相”的追求而受到了“部落”成员的专业和个人品格的暗杀。 他失去了他所有的联邦和州合同,并因马萨诸塞州一项晦涩难懂的“未经许可从事工程技术”的“法律”而受到起诉。该法律在此之前或之后从未被使用过。 。 在他的报告发表后,他被以色列“深州”类型(mossad)骚扰,他成功地“走出去”。

    毫无疑问,第二次世界大战后,苏联为了宣传目的而试图“建立”“死亡集中营”。 是的,那里有极端的匮乏和痛苦,许多人丧生。 死亡的主要原因是斑疹伤寒。 由于盟军炸弹摧毁了大部分基础设施,斑疹伤寒处于流行水平。 这就是造成大量人类死亡的原因。 。 不要放气。

    有趣的是,在营地被“盟军”“解放”之前,营地居民选择逃离德国军队,而不是被俄国“盟军”“解放”。

    据说“日光是寻找真相的最好的消毒剂”。不幸的是,这句话不适用于“大屠杀™”。 似乎有些“大屠杀™”的发起人害怕真相。 因此,那些敢于质疑这一历史事件各个方面的人将受到起诉和监禁。

    我敦促所有“大屠杀™”信徒亲自检查这些事情——如果你敢的话。 你不会喜欢你发现的……

    • 回复: @Momus
  276. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    I’m not sure who ‘they’ are

    thats convenient

  277. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    Huh? You’re licking windows mate.

    i support jews and the holohoax narrative every chance i get and i’m worried about hate speech only against jews but i’m not a jew

    sure, pal

    • 回复: @Momus
  278. Momus 说:
    @Svigor

    The gas trucks were very widely used; they were mobile, inconspicuous, extremely effective and cheap to commission. The victims were concealed and transporting them to graves or crematoria was simple.

    Most importantly for the coward Nazi SS murderers they comprised a very low evidence method of extermination.

    As far as the death camp gassing chamber’s design and layout go, if you do a Google search you will find a mountain of information led as evidence in successful Nazi or collaborator trials that uses the SS’s own construction drawings documents, material orders, meeting records, invoices, as well as the physical site evidence, testimonies and interrogations of perpetrator Nazis and slaves, victims. You really should have a look a lot more broadly than to take at face value the lies and distortions of the deniers.

  279. Momus 说:
    @Svigor

    One of the important points about being a qualified historian is the immediate credibility it gives when seeking access to archived information and personal testimony.

  280. Momus 说:
    @anarchyst

    All previously debunked garbage. You don’t have the slightest idea of what you are asserting.

    Just so you don’t keep making yourself a public idiot and wasting internet ink, do some research on the Red Cross and Registered Deaths at the camps. The RC figure you quote is the most pernicious and easily debunked lie.

    They had almost no SS camp access and none to the death camps and the ‘unregistered inmate’.

    • 回复: @anarchyst
  281. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    The Morgenthau plan was rejected? Marshalls plan was implemented with stunning success.

  282. @Momus

    ‘Next the SS concentration camps will be slimming getaways for overweight Jews, you wanker.’

    This thread is getting a little oppressive. Let’s push this. Lots of photos to support the argument. What the hell?

  283. @Momus

    ‘Benthic Wally

    You neatly make my point with mention of the bashing of Faurrison.

    He was a virulent denier and dog whistler who broke the social contract with hate speech.

    The results of this were a vicious attack on a member of you would have it oppressed minority: himself…’

    Well, congrats. It’s hard to make me feel sympathetic to holocaust deniers, but you found a way.

    ‘Broke the social contract’ indeed. Free speech is meaningless if it only refers to speech we find congenial. It is precisely the speech we find offensive that we must tolerate.

    • 回复: @Momus
  284. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    That’s twice in this discussion you’ve resorted to basal insults and hyperbole. UR readers tend to look down on this kind of nonsense, so I doubt you’re winning anyone to your cause.

    Or is this just what happens when a Jewish Berserker runs out of ammunition? I’m sure glad I’m anonymous because if I was doxxed, I have no doubt you and your minions would be putting bricks through my window and poisoning my dogs.

  285. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    You and your family are locked in the back of a petrol engined Renault furniture removalists truck organised with the exhaust running inside and driven up a long steep hill by a SS man.

    Is there any evidence for this one, or are we relying upon the usual eye witness testimonies?

    The Nazis were efficient people. If they truly desired to exterminate the Jews, they would have succeeded. They built great big industrial parks with advanced chemical plants, yet they couldn’t even figure out an efficient method of extermination? Yeah right.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Crimson2
  286. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Them Guys

    That’s actually more information than I’d have been comfortable giving in your position. I was thinking pool cleaning / HVAC, but then you mentioned 95% of your clients are Jewish and you get full house access, so I’m thinking it must be some kind of bespoke home security service. That’s ok, no need to comment any further. I wasn’t interested in the specifics of your work, so much as your inside observations about Jewish families.

    Please do keep yourself safe and make sure to use a VPN and regularly flush your browser history. Torbrowser is even better if you can handle the slowness!

    And as many understand jews are a difficult type in every possible way usually. And their kids are for some reason usually very mean spirited. I guess some things are difficult to put into words so it is hard to covey such issues here in a posting reply.

    This is interesting, but 为什么 are they mean spirited? What makes them this way? What’s going on in their heads? I really want to know what makes Jewish people different. It’s certainly not racial/genetic since Ashkenazis look so much like Caucasians, and it’s not religious 本身, since atheist Jews exhibit these traits also.

    You’ve had a very interesting perspective and I’d appreciate if you could put more of your insights into words.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  287. Momus 说:

    That’s twice in this discussion you’ve resorted to basal insults and hyperbole. UR readers tend to look down on this kind of nonsense, so I doubt you’re winning anyone to your cause.

    Haha. You are an anonymous coward and a concern troll.

    Fancy that, trying to pretend the Unz review is a place of intellectual and moral elevation.

    It’s not mate; it is a grubby little basement in this instance filled with the integrity bereft Holocaust deniers and unbalanced hater ‘revisionists’ who have never bothered to make their own investigations and appraisals on an attempted genocide that the perpetrators, the Nazis themselves, have documented.

    BTW a pseudonymous handle at these places can easily be linked to a URL so we are all exposed.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  288. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Why are you worried about revealing who you are?

    It wouldn’t be because you are an obnoxious anti semite engaged in virulent hate speech

    obnoxious – not at all
    anti semite – he doesn’t seem inherently prejudiced
    virulent – what does this mean? it spreads easily? I don’t think so
    hate speech – nope. it’s a reasonable discussion

    who ironically could be a target for violence because of the feelings you engendered?

    Bingo. Because although he’s engaging in what we consider to be perfectly reasonable discussion, he is liable to engender violent feelings in Jews such as yourself. Your intolerance for free discussion and your easy recourse to violence are inimical to our Western culture. Due to the power you hold in the world today, we feel the need to keep our real identities hidden so we don’t become lightning rods for the outbursts of your imbalanced psyches.

    I get it. Jews are in pain. But we didn’t put you in pain. It’s your creation. You created it, you maintain it, and you can stop it any time you want. Stop projecting it onto us. Most of us don’t even know who you are. We just notice what you do, when you start doing it too excessively. So why not exercise some moderation? Or better still, give up this perverse notion of your special identity and become human being just like everyone else.

    • 同意: Them Guys
    • 回复: @Momus
  289. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Is there any evidence for this one, or are we relying upon the usual eye witness testimonies?

    Ample evidence including delivery documents for an order of 20 ‘furniture vans’ and sworn testimonies from dozens of people including van drivers.

    Why not actually get off your arse and do some basic research on this yourself instead of pretending to be a querulous sceptic?

    I think that like most deniers who present with a façade of reasonable inquiry you are an moral and intellectual coward afraid of the truths you will not be able to unsee to do any sort of investigation other than to swallow the misinformation and turds of outright lies put forward by Nazi apologists.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Wally
  290. Momus 说:
    @Colin Wright

    It is precisely the speech we find offensive that we must tolerate.

    If you want to live safely you have to watch your mouth and behaviour wherever you are: this is reptilian brainstem stuff.

    As Faurisson found out free speech laws are all good but if people feel threatened or deeply insulted by urgers dog whistling they may attack pre emptively; ie rise up and kill.

  291. Crimson2 说:
    @Svigor

    Of course I am a bigot against Nazis. That’s a rational position.

    And if you’re not a coward who hides his views then you know there are a lot more of us than there are of you. Know your place.

  292. Crimson2 说:
    @Anonymous

    The Nazis were efficient people. If they truly desired to exterminate the Jews, they would have succeeded.

    They did a thorough job of murdering their own children.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  293. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    obnoxious – not at all
    anti semite – he doesn’t seem inherently prejudiced
    virulent – what does this mean? it spreads easily? I don’t think so
    hate speech – nope. it’s a reasonable discussion

    All good? Why this caring advice for one Them Guys post 297?
    Because you know he oversteps the mark when charged up?

    Implicit admission from yourself that you acknowledger the social contract?

    Please do keep yourself safe and make sure to use a VPN and regularly flush your browser history. Torbrowser is even better if you can handle the slowness!

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  294. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Fancy that, trying to pretend the Unz review is a place of intellectual and moral elevation.

    It is one of the finest places for discussion on the internet. We have such an assortment of opinions and most of the posters manage to keep it civil. Hasbaras are a frequent exception.

    BTW a pseudonymous handle at these places can easily be linked to a URL so we are all exposed.

    Linked to a URL? Would that be an IP address? Do you know the difference?

  295. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Ample evidence including delivery documents for an order of 20 ‘furniture vans’

    Furniture vans? Oh dear. Certainly no legitimate use for such a technology.

    sworn testimonies from dozens of people including van drivers./blockquote>

    Confessions under duress? Jewish ‘holocaust survivors’? Right.

  296. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Crimson2

    That seems to reinforce my point.

  297. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    All good? Why this caring advice for one Them Guys post 297?
    Because you know he oversteps the mark when charged up?

    Because I always push for real truth, irrespective of where it may take me. It’s a gentile thing!

    Implicit admission from yourself that you acknowledger the social contract?

    Implicit admission from myself that persons such as yourself don’t.

  298. anarchyst 说:
    @Momus

    Debunked by who?? The “holocaust ™ industry” who is fearful of its “cash cow” being terminated. FOLLOW THE SHEKELS.
    Jews are already planning for the next generation of “holocaust ™” survivors. You see, jewish psychiatrists have coined the term “holocaust ™ transference syndrome” in which children, grand children and great-grand children and succeeding generations for all time of (only) jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are afflicted with this (false) syndrome, so they too can get “holocaust ™” “reparations”. When will the “cash cow” finally stop? It sure looks like NEVER…

    • 回复: @Momus
  299. Harbinger 说:
    @peterAUS

    “People who want to challenge that narrative aren’t, really, in freedom of speech etc.
    They are into challenging the current power structure and even social order.
    High stakes. Harsh methods”.

    没错。
    And voila, the Jews have now instituted hate speech legislation into every western country. Therefore any attempt to debunk the official narrative of the holocaust will end up with people arrested and imprisoned under it. And where does hate speech come from?

    https://www.hoover.org/research/sordid-origin-hate-speech-laws

    And this is how Jews control any investigation into their criminality by imprisoning anyone who starts ‘smelling the coffee’ so to speak. And as it was predicted, it would become a readily accepted part of western society, by the incredibly, indoctrinated young, who have now binned objective debate for subjective.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  300. Harbinger 说:
    @anon111

    “this is similar to what someone is trying have us believe about Assad in Syria. Was it 7-8 years ago the MSM was running articles about what a wonderful westernized couple he and his wife were? He was an opthalmologist who protected the Christian minority in Syria, and now? He’s the devil incarnate who is supposedly bombing and gassing his own people”

    Interestingly enough Orwell wrote about this back in 1948. Remember Emanuel Goldstein, the public bogeyman that no one had ever met? Remember how the people would shout hate at his image on a screen, every day? The only thing is that Orwell, proved that he was yet another puppet and knew what the future would be. The hate figure is clearly Jewish, thereby indoctrinating people into believing that the Jews are a persecuted people.
    They did it with Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi. How easily the people are fooled into accepting their ‘so called’ enemies. It’s quite sickening really.

    • 回复: @anon111
  301. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “At the end of 1941 it was converted into a ‘homicidal gas chamber’

    During the war, in late 1944, it was converted into an air-raid shelter”

    You do realize the absurdity of this don’t you?
    We were told some 4.5million people were exterminated. Seeing as there are no mass graves around Auschwitz let’s do the calculations shall we?
    There were 15 crematoria.
    The average time for disposing of a cadaver, by coke coal was between 2-3 hours.
    The amount of coke coal needed per cadaver was 30kg.
    Now let’s do the math shall we?
    Going flat out, taking 2.5 hours to cremate a body, the total amount possible in one day, 24/7 is 144 bodies. Therefore to dispose of 1 million, let alone 4.5million, would equal 6,944 days, or 19 years. It would also need 30-35million kg of coke or 30,000 tons. However, according to what you’ve stated this whole job would have to have been done in 3 years!!
    Now considering that the sign was changed, in Auschwitz, from 4.5million to 1.5million in 1989 people now realize that it’s one, colossal lie. And still, today, the number is falling and yet the official 6million figure still stands?

    And as for the official 6million, you do know that before the war had even started, the ‘6million’ figure had already been thrown out, in various media sources some 100 times?

    http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

    I’m sorry to have to state that none of your reply is relevant in this debate. It is clearly false.
    What’s more worrying is the simple fact that even, with the evidence mentioned in this reply, any court of law would throw the official narrative of the holocaust death totals out of the courtroom. And yet, they haven’t?
    为什么是这样?
    Well it’s simple really. To quote former Jew Palsetinian activist and famous Jazz musician, Gilad Atzmon, currently awaiting a hate speech trial against him in London, UK, for speaking out against Jewry:

    “Jewish power is the power to silence criticism of Jewish Power.”

    • 回复: @Momus
  302. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “At Birkenau, Crematoria 4 and 5 had openings in the wall that were used to introduce the Zyklon pellets.

    These windows/apertures, were heavily grilled on the inside and with sealed shutters on the outside.”

    The execution of inmates by Zyklon B has been thoroughly destroyed not just by taking samples of the wall, but through witness testimony of the colour of the ‘so called’ dead gassed Jews.
    The reason WHY the myth of the Zyklon B poisoning came into existence was because it was the only evidence they had of any kind of gassing whatsoever. The only problem was, it wasn’t used to gas anyone, but to gas the clothes of the inmates due to the outbreak of typhus. And so, the Jews ran with this story.

    They then piled shoes upon shoes to give this as evidence of the gassing of people in Auschwitz. It doesn’t prove any gassing at all.

    Jews and non Jews did die in Auschwitz. I won’t deny there were executions as it has been noted that Hitler sent official orders to camp commandants to not execute the ‘workforce’ who were badly needed for the German war effort. However, the SS were sent into those camps where commandants WERE arrested and executed. Let us not forget that a large majority of the Jews, if not all were communist subversives. Hitler had many Jews fighting for the Third Reich, including top brass in his armed forces.

    However and this is really the clincher, the most amount of Jews who died, in Auschwitz, did so through starvation, typhus and cholera due to allied bombing of supply lines. The emaciated corpse videos and pictures we are shown (many doctored) depict this reality, but we were told that the Germans deliberately starved them and nothing about allied bombings.

    You see Momus, the official story of the holocaust is no different to the official story of 9/11. It’s a lie, there to promote an agenda. 9/11 saw the USA and other western nations start a war against Islam, in order to not only destroy Israel’s enemies and steal land for the creation of Greater Israel, but to bring about the destruction of the western civilization. Oh and of course, make globalist bankers and corporation owners richer. The Holocaust narrative created the persecution narrative, vital to the protection of Israel and any Israeli crimes they would commit in the future, along with silencing criticism of the many allied war crimes, committed during and after the war.

    The victor, writes history and much of it is a sordid lie.

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @Anonymous
  303. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    More debunked nonsense from violent Zionist Momus: “Ample evidence including delivery documents for an order of 20 ‘furniture vans’ and sworn testimonies from dozens of people including van drivers.”

    LOL. Real German “documents” which you cannot show.
    What “testimonies”?
    Show us the verbatim court text and the full cross examination records. Oops!

    推荐的:
    加斯范电影和摄影欺诈/《德国新闻》杂志和西蒙·维森塔尔中心的博物馆伪造了照片和电影字幕
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3276/?lang=en
    The Gas Vans / A Critical Assessment of the Evidence
    https://codoh.com/library/document/933/?lang=en
    phoney gas vans / J. McCarthy & ‘holocaust’ Hist. Proj.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=73
    The Gas Vans: A Critical Investigation
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3191/?lang=en多得多: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=gas+vans

    http://www.codoh.com

    • 回复: @Momus
  304. peterAUS 说:
    @Harbinger

    You know, handle “Momus” crudeness here notwithstanding, something doesn’t compute here.
    Or, gut feeling ain’t right. Whatever.
    All this “Holocaust” thing I mean.

    And voila, the Jews have now instituted hate speech legislation into every western country. Therefore any attempt to debunk the official narrative of the holocaust will end up with people arrested and imprisoned under it.

    And this is how Jews control any investigation into their criminality by imprisoning anyone who starts ‘smelling the coffee’ so to speak. And as it was predicted, it would become a readily accepted part of western society, by the incredibly, indoctrinated young, who have now binned objective debate for subjective.

    is simply, no offense, a nonsense.
    In today’s world, with instant access to information for anyone willing to spend some time and effort, it’s simply impossible to use “hate speech” to control what people know, think and feel.
    Just impossible.
    Keyword “willing”, though.

    In my particular case, and some other people I know, that was exactly what peaked my interest into the topic. Jailing people for “denial”. Took me several months in era of dialup connections to try to connect the dots.

    There are a couple of, say, interesting things related to this very topic.
    Handle Anon[425] in post 99 on this very thread, for example, posted

    It’s all a quasi-religious battle between Holocaust iconographers and Holocaust iconoclasts.

    Then, we blame Jews for the ills of the current paradigm. Just Jews. All of them. And nobody else.
    Then, we don’t like their reaction to denial. Well, one could surmise that they have a very good reason to be very, very careful about their safety and security. Denial isn’t just free speech. Besides, we don’t have free speech about other issues too. Let me ask you a question: would you want public debates, publications etc about child pornography?
    Momus and his types do have a legitimate, serious, concern about this. They know that just a single chip against the narrative is a slippery slope to a very bad result for them. No, not from types that discuss here or anywhere. From an unhappy mass looking for an easy scapegoat. Been there, done that, we know that.
    The most interesting thing is, though, that need to blame just all the Jews for the current ills and problems. Just Jews and all of them.
    “If we only get rid of all of them all will be O.K.”.
    I know that people buy that with ease.
    I don’t, for a second.

    As for this very topic ….hehe…I”ll come clean.
    Just to piss both parties here.

    No, I do not believe in the “Holocaust” narrative as it is. I believe there are plenty of holes there, falsehoods, wrong data etc. And of course it’s used by Jews and, well, plenty of others in position of power, to their advantage.
    At the same time I do believe that Nazis wanted to get them eradicated by any means necessary and got millions of them killed. That was at the core of Nazi ideology.
    Details about numbers and methods feel………interesting.

    How about Khmer killing fields? How about Hutu/Tutsi massacres?
    How about, the best probably, Srebrenica massacre?
    I say the best because it was/is in Europe, again, recently, and a lot of effort has been done to get the truth there and act upon it.

    Official narrative is 8000 Muslims massacred there. Genocide worth of international intervention etc.

    Revisionist narrative, I find the most plausible, is 1200.

    Now, why killing 8000 is horrible and 1200 is not I don’t seem to get.

    Similarly, why gassing/cremating 6 million is horrible and having, say, 2 million killed, by organized state effort, using illness, disease, starvation, working to death, occasional firing squads etc is not, I also don’t seem to get.
    Can you visualize 2 000 000 persons of all ages and both genders, killed by an organized effort of a state? Rounded up form their homes, transported them somewhere and then have them dead. Visualize that number.
    The “best” case scenario, just have them dead from disease and starvation due to collapse of the system.
    2 000 000 civilians/non-combatants, from babies to elders.
    If that isn’t an organized genocide I don’t know what it is.

    I guess there is something about numbers, though.

    There is something with numbers that creates a (desired/required) emotional reaction in average person.

    In any case all this is pointless.
    Whoever wants to know the core of the truth can. That truth won’t, can’t, make any practical difference in the current world.
    So, this stays:

    It’s all a quasi-religious battle between Holocaust iconographers and Holocaust iconoclasts.

    有乐趣。

    • 回复: @Harbinger
    , @Anonymous
  305. Momus 说:
    @anarchyst

    Debunked by who??

    By the ICRC themselves of course.

    Do some basic research, get the facts, understand that you are denier liar without information.

    The Red Cross had virtually no access to the camps, to Auschwitz and to the extermination camps. Their remit was to assist and not to count.

    • 回复: @anon111
  306. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    The execution of inmates by Zyklon B has been thoroughly destroyed not just by taking samples of the wall, but through witness testimony of the colour of the ‘so called’ dead gassed Jews.
    The reason WHY the myth of the Zyklon B poisoning came into existence was because it was the only evidence they had of any kind of gassing whatsoever. The only problem was, it wasn’t used to gas anyone, but to gas the clothes of the inmates due to the outbreak of typhus.

    Ahh yes. Old fraud Fred Leuchter’s hoary canard on gassing is so archaic that he has become a laughing stock even among hardcore deniers:

    The hardcore Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi antisemite Robert Frenz, of FAEM infamy, who also happened to be a professional chemist, left nothing of Leuchter’s arguments in Liberty Bell, Feb. 1993, pp. 32ff. To quote a small part:

    “The latest Journal of Historical Review, Winter 92-93 has been “Leuchterized”. Fred Leuchter was the fellow who left occupied America to visit occupied Poland. While there, he stole some Polish property in the form of bricks, mortar, dust, roach droppings and such, and brought them home as souvenirs of Auschwitz. Fred then rushed the samples to a laboratory for an analysis of the “cyanide” content. By the beard of the Holocaust, the findings were blown into a gigantic whoopee.”

    And so on. As an avid student of the Holocaust, in your search for what happened, go here and be informed on this twat:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#idiotleuchter

    That will do. I see that you are also a 911 cornspeeracee theorist. That to me suggest that you are a wackadoodle mf nut job with very limited capacity for processing information and arriving at reasonable conclusions.

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  307. Momus 说:
    @Wally

    Go here for a rebuttal of Benthic Wally’s denier liar efforts.

    Alvarez has been thoroughly cleaned up:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/11/rebuttal-of-alvarez-on-gas-vans-why.html

  308. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    Going flat out, taking 2.5 hours to cremate a body, the total amount possible in one day, 24/7 is 144 bodies. Therefore to dispose of 1 million, let alone 4.5million, would equal 6,944 days, or 19 years. It would also need 30-35million kg of coke or 30,000 tons. However, according to what you’ve stated this whole job would have to have been done in 3 years!!

    I haven’t stated any such rubbish mate. I don’t opine on the numbers of dead because I am a sceptic.
    I do have some statistically accurate information on the incineration times for human cadavers cremated civilly though: and the BTU’s required to do the job. There is also much evidence, mountains of it if you read German?-on the various designs of boosted high powered incinerators they used at their death camps. There is of course also much said about incompletely burned skeletons being pulverised by Jewish slaves so the ashes could be mixed with sand and soil and spread on paddocks, dumped in rivers or buried to concealed and incompletely burned, or exhumed corpses further burnt down.

    You are mistaking your anus for your mouth.

    The average time for disposing of a cadaver, by coke coal was between 2-3 hours.
    The amount of coke coal needed per cadaver was 30kg.

    Your source and cites for this highly speculative claim please?

    As you correctly mention the overarching evidence, the horrific theme of the Nazis extermination efforts against the Jews, the Holocaust, are so well established that they are judicially noted and need no further explanation in a court.

  309. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Ahh yes. Old fraud Fred Leuchter’s hoary canard on gassing”

    And where, precisely, in my reply did I mention Leuchter? You mentioned him, not me.
    No desire of reading any Jewish propaganda links whatsoever, thank you. Guaranteed it will be full of lies.

    “That will do. I see that you are also a 911 cornspeeracee theorist. That to me suggest that you are a wackadoodle mf nut job with very limited capacity for processing information and arriving at reasonable conclusions.”

    And as stated, the Jew will instantly try to character assassinate their opponents and discredit their character. They wallow in the subjective. I do not want to get into a debate about 9/11, as this is not the thread for it, but I will simply state that anyone today, who believes in the official story, is either an absolute moron, a shabbos goy or a hasbarat troll. The official 9/11 story has been ripped to shreds. But the reason the official story still stands is because the west in the death grip of Jewry who completely control politics, the msm, academia, the judiciary, the police and the entertainment industries. So there will never, ever be any truth allowed, whatsoever, as long as this remains unchanged.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  310. anon111 说:
    @Harbinger

    They did it with Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi. How easily the people are fooled into accepting their ‘so called’ enemies. It’s quite sickening really.

    and how about Saddam’s sons Ude and Kuse(?) – they went from being complete unknowns to being accused of raping and murdering every woman in Iraq.

  311. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    Do some basic research, get the facts, understand that you are denier liar without information.

    lampshades, bars of soap, shrunken heads, 4 million at Auschwitz – who’s the liar?

  312. anon111 说:

    In today’s world, with instant access to information for anyone willing to spend some time and effort, it’s simply impossible to use “hate speech” to control what people know, think and feel.
    Just impossible.
    Keyword “willing”, though.

    the problem is its not going to be that way for long.

    Have you paid attention to what’s going on in the UK? They’re trying to make it illegal to even view right of center material online, with years in prison for those convicted. In the U.S. the ADL and SPLC are collaborating with Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube etc to remove rightist speech they don’t like. The censorship is coming.

  313. Allan 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for the link. It led me to the following helpful URL. The page offers free downloads in PDF of the updated millenium edition, with illustrations.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/index.html

  314. peterAUS 说:
    @Harbinger

    …the west in the death grip of Jewry who completely control politics, the msm, academia, the judiciary, the police and the entertainment industries. So there will never, ever be any truth allowed, whatsoever, as long as this remains unchanged.

    Simple to understand, gives a focus, well, also takes that focus from…something else….but let’s not go there here and now.

    I guess that’s the majority view on this site.

    Well, there is another (tiny minority), I guess too:

    ..the west in the grip of an entity which mostly controls politics, the msm, academia, the judiciary, the police and the entertainment industries. So truth won’t be allowed, in public sphere, as long as this remains unchanged.

    Jews vs that…’entity’.
    Death, total vs…..’mostly’.

    Entity sounds so vague, so….lacking focus. Besides, what’s that ‘entity’ one might ask?
    Ah, well, that’s the question 是不是
    Related to “..also takes that focus from…something else….but let’s not go there here and now…..” from above.

    That’s why, among some other things, some of us keep visiting/posting here. For now.

  315. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    Are you going to attempt to refute arguments or continue just insulting people on this forum?
    The concentration camps were work camps for the German war effort. However, the west has been conveniently lied to about them being death camps. What benefit would it do Hitler, to kill the very people responsible for the German war effort, especially when all men of fighting age were on the front lines? It doesn’t.

    If you care to check you will find that the ovens at the time and the amount of coke coal used to cremate them WAS 2-3 hours and 30-35kg for a cadaver. Look up cremation times or better, go to a crematorium and ask there how long and how much coke it would take? I’m not going to spoon feed you. You may actually learn something, if you care to research, but I highly doubt it, because as the hasbarat troll, your job, on the Unz forums is just to disrupt debate.
    I will leave a link on amount of coal needed:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=88

    And for your information you cannot throw 2 bodies into one crematoria and burn both off of the amount used to burn one.
    Seeing your argument, soundly defeated, would you care to explain just why, 6million Jews, were mentioned in the msm, suffering somewhere in this world from 1900 to before WW2 started, some 100 times?

    • 回复: @Momus
  316. Harbinger 说:
    @peterAUS

    “In today’s world, with instant access to information for anyone willing to spend some time and effort, it’s simply impossible to use “hate speech” to control what people know, think and feel.
    Just impossible.
    Keyword “willing”, though”.

    Hate speech legislation is in full flow, here in the UK.

    Alison Chabloz is currently awaiting trial for hate speech against the Jews, for her musical satire of the holocaust. The same also for Gilad Atzmon who speaks out regularly against Zionism and the crimes they commit in Palestine. Like Alison Chabloz he has had death threats against him, from Jewish organizations, along with venues giving in to threats from the same organizations, whom the police completely ignore. Jews are allowed to threaten people and the police turn a blind eye, but when non Jews speak the truth about Jewry the police arrest them under the Public Order Act.

    The UK government wants to make viewing of right wing material online, a crime, with up to 15 years in prison for viewing something they disagree with. Child porn viewers receive far less sentencing.

    https://redice.tv/news/uk-to-imprison-people-who-view-far-right-propaganda-online-for-up-to-15-years

    Like it or not, the more people wake up to Jewry’s agenda of a one world government, not forgetting their creation of a Greater Israel, the faster they’re trying to implement hate speech on anything that criticizes Jews and Zionism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/12/antisemitism-definition-government-combat-hate-crime-jews-israel

    • 回复: @anarchyst
  317. @Momus

    “I don’t opine on the numbers of dead because I am a sceptic.”

    Of all the BS you’ve posted here, this stands out in particular. What exactly are you skeptical about?

  318. Momus 说:

    About the numbers claimed of course.

    There should be zero contention regarding Hitler and the Nazi’s genocidal intention or the construction and implementation of their racist liberty deprivation, slaving, murder and extermination machine

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Wally
    , @Harbinger
  319. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    About the numbers claimed of course.

    Are you saying that less than 6 million may have died?

    HOLOCAUST DENIER!!!!!!!

    There should be zero contention regarding Hitler and the Nazi’s genocidal intention or the construction and implementation of their racist liberty deprivation, slaving, murder and extermination machine

    Never mind the bad grammar, it’s all about the hyperbole!

    • 回复: @Momus
  320. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Harbinger

    The reason WHY the myth of the Zyklon B poisoning came into existence was because it was the only evidence they had of any kind of gassing whatsoever.

    Good point. They had a bunch of cans lying around from the fumigation so it was a good starting point for their story.

    I’ve got nothing to add to the rest of your post. I think you’ve summed it all up pretty perfectly.

  321. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Keyword “willing”, though.

    They have to be willing to risk a lot. Firstly, we get isolated from mainstream society by uncovering inconvenient truths that put us at odds with those who haven’t done so, and then secondly, we risk severe consequences if we are found to have been spreading these truths.

    People are kept in line by fear, not by technical hurdles.

    Then, we blame Jews for the ills of the current paradigm. Just Jews. All of them. And nobody else. Then, we don’t like their reaction to denial. Well, one could surmise that they have a very good reason to be very, very careful about their safety and security.

    Very good point. It becomes an us vs. them thing. We’re lucky to have individuals like Ron Unz and Norman Finkelstein who buck this trend.

    In general, the question is: How do we expose and condemn the toxic behavior of the Jewish tribe, without strengthening their tribal identity?

    The most interesting thing is, though, that need to blame just all the Jews for the current ills and problems. Just Jews and all of them.
    “If we only get rid of all of them all will be O.K.”.
    I know that people buy that with ease.
    I don’t, for a second.

    另一个好点。

    “A country has the Jews it deserves. Just as mosquitoes can thrive and settle only in swamps, likewise the former can only thrive in the swamps of our sins.” – Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

    Having said that, mosquito fogging can still improve the quality of life in swampy areas.

    At the same time I do believe that Nazis wanted to get them eradicated by any means necessary and got millions of them killed. That was at the core of Nazi ideology.

    The Transfer Agreement proves their preference was for expulsion. I accept there must have been many subsequent Jewish deaths, but I’m not convinced it was ever a goal.

    Similarly, why gassing/cremating 6 million is horrible and having, say, 2 million killed, by organized state effort, using illness, disease, starvation, working to death, occasional firing squads etc is not, I also don’t seem to get.

    Big difference. The first is stated as absolute fact and hence we’re expected to draw the corresponding emotional conclusions, while the second is a offhand speculation and isn’t supposed to be taken seriously.

    In any case all this is pointless.
    Whoever wants to know the core of the truth can.

    It is precisely discussions like these that allow open minded and curious people to find their own way to the truth. The best way to elucidate the truth is to have passionate believers of both sides do their best to state their case in a clear, logical, and respectful manner, in a public forum. That’s precisely what we are doing here, and I am certain that we’re doing some good. One by one.

    That truth won’t, can’t, make any practical difference in the current world.

    It can and it does. From time to time, the sheer force of truth can motivate the general public enough to cause a political earthquake.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  322. Wally 说:
    @Momus

    recited that like he’s in a trance.

    Jews falsely considered ‘holocausted’ of course, the tip of the iceberg:
    战争期间犹太人撤离到苏联
    https://archive.is/jA9iI

    和:
    战争期间有更多犹太人撤离到苏联
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees

    推荐的:
    http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hungarian-holocaust-debate.html
    http://www.codoh.com

    修正主义者只是使者,可笑的“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬不可能是信息。

  323. Them Guys 说:
    @Anonymous

    Well some biblical and Christian believers do not believe that Eve just ate some apple type forbidden fruit. Which is what is supposed to be what started it all. Rather perhaps Eve actually had forbidden sex with satan the devil, before mated with Adam her husband. When eve gave birth to Cain he was her and satans son, and Abel was a true son of eve & Adam. Ergo Adam was the good son and Cain the evil son that Murdered his own brother Abel. Twin Brothers with two different fathers, get it.

    When God punished/cursed all three, satan-eve and adam, He told eve that “Your desire shall be for your husband, but instead you will obey and submit to him!” Now “desire her husband” is usually taught by the apostate pastors to mean sexual desire etc…Wrong!…God meant after eve learned she was able to get adam to also take of the same forbidden friut, that Now eve could become the Head and Boss over adam…hence shes told No, rather you will Submit to and Obey
    your husband for he will Remain the Head since he was created in My/gods likeness and image. God=Top Boss of All, Adam one step below god as human boss etc.

    Maybe this has something to do with how hatefull all the dykes and lezbos and especially marxist atheist feminists are against any meere mention of Christ or christianity eh? Likewise as they also extend their vile hatred to Males, and Specifically of White males they hate the most.

    We never seem to see any such vast hatered promoted by them clowns towards any Other religions correct?…They never rail against Judaism nor islam. Nor do they usually rail against non white males right.

    Maybe the reason the bible section with explaination of the Begining off Creation has Two distinct and seperate mentions of it…ONLY in the part most bibles call “The 2nd story of Creation” do we see explained how Adam, then Eve were created by god.

    Can it be possible that the actual events back then consisted of two seperate eras where mankind/humans were first created on earth, and the reason for Adam being spoken of as being in 2nd story of creation is due to. Once the first creation events had time to exist a while, how long is irelevant, but what if god determined that those of the 1st creation event story, had so badly screwed up being self governing etc, and becoming basically say like, cavemen and savages etc…That a 2nd Man creation event was needed.

    And ths time god would create Adam as a Human Man in Gods Own likeness and Image, then adam was told his main job was to…”Take Dominion Over ALL I God have created on earth, the fishes, animals, plant/tree life etc etc”…Would this include Dominion Over all of gods 1st event of creation too? Kinda like Adam was needed so to take total dominion and fix what was messesd up.

    This woud also mean Adam was indeed a White Man. Since several descriptions of Adam tell us that his face got red/blushed. No others besides whites show red when they blush in face correct.

    Ever see a african black or mex brown or jap etc face turn red when embaresed? I have not.

    Suppose Adam was Father of Euro White man, and his Dominion status Granted and Ordered by God would likely get passed down to adams heirs no? Ie: Passed down to all euro white men to be Head of control in real world and in the home life.

    Woman have always complained of how men usually take the lead at decision making and rule the roost in jobs and most issues where a Boss or Leadership is needed.

    But never before Our times have we ever seen such vile hatred for that type leader role by men eh. And factually it was and still is, jewish persons and orgs that invented marxist communism and female jews are who first promoted and still run every form and aspect of the so called “feminist Movment”. So maybe this entire issue of female haters of white males and demands constantly for equal in every possible catagory women can think of, which always ends up with women as HEAD and Male submission to females. Dates back to what I prior wrote of the creation stories and that they have Two different explainations..OR! Perhaps while it looks like two diffrent stories, its really One and 2nd part where we first are told about Adam is a continuation of that 1st story creation info eh?

    The Two Main things the female lib commie bitches hate Most and so desire to eliminate most are White Men & Christianity…But Why? Why do they not so attack Negro or Arab or Jap males eh? and as previously stated, why they never attack other religions?

    Okay…Lets get Back to the Jew kids questions you asked of…I believe withOut a doubt, that be they religious jews or atheistic or reform or conservative jewry etc et al….Don’t really matter much as for as How they got raised from birth and raise their kids from birth…Jews get taught to believe a jew is far superior, better than, all and any goyim aka gentiles..No sane person can deny this fact. Their most reveared holy books of Talmud teach such chozeness etc.

    Is it any wild wonderment that by time a jew is probobly 5 yrs old he or she actually believes such special chozeness status?…Yet when they enter Real world with a few thousand goys per each single jew…Many and it used to be prior to about 1900 era, a common knoweldge that most gentiles back then, and still many today fuly Reject any such special or chozen status jews demand.

    So in order to remain on very top or say “Maintain Dominion (like adam was granted) Over All of created things etc…How else But for jewry to destroy every facet of white man rule, control, dominion, which rightfully belongs to adams heirs aka euro white males. Then jews can be Boss eh.

    So this causes even small jewish kids to typically be or act snarky and mean spirited towards all non jews but especially at white males…They see Us whites as Real Adamic Decended euro white men…While I am pretty certain most of jewry knows also that they are Khazar stock which is a fake jew at best…Or a fake israelite and hebrew anyways.

    Also this makes euro whites the Wheat and jewry the Tares as in Christs parable of wheat Vs tares. Guess which one is of the “Light” and God?…..Hint: Tares are a weed that so closely looks like wheat it is close to impossible to tell which is which until Harvest time gets very near…Then tares go thru changes and are easy to spot among real wheat growing in the fields…Weeds get Removed and tossed into the fire pit, wheat gets saved and stored for god in his barn so to speak.

    No wonder all this so makes sense and adds up so swell eh? Whiteys= Godly wheat and that leaves just those tare weeds with their deep desire to Overthrow everything God created, and replace it with their jewdeo brand they call Tikkun Olem aka The jewish Repair of the World!

    Sounds alot like Lucifer/Satan the Devils main plans No? First destroy all God did Good and swell, then Replace it with Satans own version which basically is a totally Scorched Earth mass kill off everyone and everything unwilling to Submit to the devil satans Dominion…With Satans children also aka Sons of Cain whom murdered brother abel the godly son referenced prior here. Which we are told in book of John 8:44 satans children who do as he does and lie steal murder, are jews…According to Christ who said so and John refered to it in 8:44 of the book of john as stated.

    Well this is already very long written eh…Sorry but some things do take a bit longer to describe and I have just gotten started on this stuff…But not my fault it takes much to describe when so many issues surround this main thing called jewry eh.

    ps: A good method to use is to keep in mind that, everything Good and proper etc is from and thru God…..while all things evil-contrary to god-and non ordered properly, like marxism and lib feminism and pharisitical talmudic judiac, and just plain wrong is of and from Satan the Devil. And every person must decide and choose Which they are going to serve period. It’s obvious which jewry as a whole has chosen. And with many non jews among their satanic ilk too. Many folk claim to not believe such….Well thats okay for them I rekon. As it is okay for we who do believe too.

    Just remember regardles how powerfull devil satan is, and oh yes he sure has more powers than anybody else except of course God, but unlike god, satan cannot act or do anything physical in real world we reside in, at least this seems to be the rule ever since he was last allowed to morph himself into our phys world about 2,000 yrs ago, satan always must get actual humans to assist him in doing his dirty deeds.

    And of all the many claims of how great jews are by many people, about the Only thing I agree with of how good jewry excells is when jews do satans evil work for him, which is mainly done constantly.

  324. Anon[158]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Implicit admission from yourself that you acknowledger the social contract?

    Is a social contract something like murdering Palestinian children?

    • 回复: @Momus
    , @anon111
  325. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    I’m not putting numbers on it.

    Please excuse the very minor syntax and punctuation mistakes. I was on my phone, in my cafe, with my connection very tenuous; I dared not edit and risk losing the post.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  326. Momus 说:
    @Anon

    Ask the commenter who posted your block quote. It wasn’t me.

  327. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    The concentration camps were work camps for the German war effort.

    Just clear me up on this could you mate?

    How were the people at these ‘German war effort work camps’ selected, and were they free to come and go?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Harbinger
  328. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    是?
    The 6 million mentioned some 100 times before WW2 started? What do you have to state about that other than: “About the numbers claimed of course?”

    And again, David Irving’s challenge still remains, that he’ll give \$1,000 to anyone who can prove there was an extermination policy instead of an expulsion policy of the Jews. More so, why do you call the Germans racist? Judaism is a religion. It encompasses people of African, Asian, European and East Asian peoples. As for the myth of Hitler looking down on black people, Jesse Owens, the American sprinter of the Berlin Olympics fame, spoke very highly of Hitler and the German people, stating that he was treated like a King in Germany, lauded by the German people. His fondest memories was meeting and talking with Hitler after the event. All of this has been carefully covered up by the msm and academia for obvious reasons.

    And enslaving, well there are many stories that never got out, about the work camps. What were these stories from the Jews interned within? How about being paid a wage for their work? How about the nurseries, the theatres, the sporting events, the hospitals, the brothels that the Germans gave to the Jews? There are videos on the internet of conversations with former camp inmates who speak of this. Why do we never hear of this?

    The holocaust narrative was created in order to demonize the German people and forget about their suffering during and after the war by the allied forces. It was created to absolve Jews of any criminality before the war, which had resulted in the rise of Hitler. It was also created to stop public attention on the war crimes committed by allied forces along with what should have been the public trial of Winston Churchill. It was created in order to allow the Jews their disgusting treatment of the Palestinians and the creation of the racist, apartheid, ethno state; a nationalist homeland only for Jews, while they destroyed everyone else’s nation.

    You see Momus, you have no argument. All you prove is the inherent prejudice that there is within Jews. Your very religion commits child abuse, starting with the traumatic circumcision of young boys and then the further indoctrination that everyone hates Jews. We don’t. We HATE what Jews do and there’s a difference. You never learn. You continue living your existence blaming the world for your acts, that ultimately resort in the people of the lands you live in, having a rather bad time of things. As the Russian saying goes: “The Jew will tell you how persecuted they are, but never tell you why.”

    You still refuse to ask the question – “Why is it that Jews have been evicted from 85 lands over 100 times over the past 2,000 years?”
    And you really can’t use the old “they hate us for killing Christ” rhetoric, simply because had you been hated for killing Christ, you’d never have been allowed into these lands in the first place. It is what Jews do, their attitudes to life, their constant victim mentality, their lack of respect for non Jews, their ethnocentric supremacist teachings with their religion.

    I used to be utterly ignorant on Jews. I just used to think it was like Christianity, but with synagogues. I bought all the ‘persecution’ crap, courtesy of msm and academia indoctrination. I never questioned Hitler and the Third Reich, just accepted all the propaganda through film and TV. I was asleep, like the masses on Judaism. And then I started searching and found contrary to what I’d been taught. You see, I along with the rest of the western population got the international socialist story on life (Communism/Jewish). I was taught to hate having love for my culture, my nation and my peoples. I realized it was happening in order that we do not fight back against the “racist liberty deprivation, slaving, murder and extermination machine” that the Jews would implement upon society as soon as they can, in order that their Greater Israel be built and they have eventual dominance over all the world’s people, to be their slaves, as their religious texts promote.
    How on earth is it that there is no criticism of the blatant hatred with the Babylonian Talmud? There are no documentaries on it, no public debates, no TV debates, but yet everything else not to do with Judaism is under the microscope?

    Your religion is a cancer on this world. It has no respect for human life, that is that which is not Jewish. And your posts, as the hasbarat troll that you are, only go to exemplify this more so.

    • 回复: @Momus
  329. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Please excuse the very minor syntax and punctuation mistakes. I was on my phone, in my cafe, with my connection very tenuous; I dared not edit and risk losing the post.

    Excused, and beside the point anyway. I was just pointing out that you seem to be flailing around trying to get your point across and falling back on nonsensical verbosity rather than logical reasoning.

  330. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    How were the people at these ‘German war effort work camps’ selected, and were they free to come and go?

    Who cares? The point is that the camps served two purposes:

    1. containing potential enemies of the state
    2. providing a workforce for the industrial parks

    Extermination is incompatible with the second part. The Nazis would have needed a pretty big reason to shoot themselves in the foot by killing off their own workforce. Even if they ultimately wanted to exterminate them (for which there is no evidence), why not at least wait until after the war when their economic output is no longer so vital?

  331. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    MOMUS

    First off Momus, I am not your mate. There’s nothing more I loathe in this world than Hasbarat trolls.

    Secondly and this is incredibly important, Jewish controlled academia and the msm will not tell the truth on WW2. Germany was flooded with communists agent provocateurs along with sympathizers. All of whom were Jewish. Therefore, those people, interned within the work camps, who were Jewish were communists. Now considering that Hitler was against communism this was completely understandable. More so, nothing is said about the concentration camps in the USA, towards the Japanese do they?

    Thirdly, those Jews NOT in the concentration camps were fighting for Germany in the armed forces. And I’ve already stated that many of them were high ranking military.

    And then considering that there was effectively a boycott war, against Germany, orchestrated by Jews, what on earth did the Jews expect? What other nation is going to sit back and do nothing, when an element, within their society is smashing shops and setting fire to them that stock your goods? The Jews wanted to bring down the German economy, that Hitler had built.

    This is fact. Hitler did not want to see the same thing happen to the German people, as what had happened to the Russians, under Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. There was no Russian revolution. What there was, was a Jewish banker funded and orchestrated genocide, where Jews made up the overwhelming majority of Bolsheviks who meted out the horrors we know that happened there after 1917.
    So, that stated, you would have to be utterly mad to allow Communist Jews, the freedom to bring about a communist state in your country. Communism is Judaism.

    http://esau.today/communism-is-judaism/
    http://smoloko.com/?p=12024
    http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-Communism/CommunismIsJudaism.html

    And again, the situation of WW2 and the deaths of Jews, in the camps, as a result of allied bombing campaigns on supply lines, with the Jews, AGAIN blaming everyone else for what happened to them only goes to promote the Russian saying “A Jew will tell you how persecuted they are, but will never tell you why.” Jews will not accept that they were interned because of their communist beliefs. They simply will not accept that they were wrong. They do not see the destruction of the German state, its culture and its people as wrong. As far as they were concerned, Germany should have been a communist state and screw anyone who thinks otherwise.

    This sums up how left wing Jews think and to effect Jews in general. When you are brainwashed, from the year dot, that you are God’s chosen people, then you automatically gain a superiority complex. You believe that anyone who has a contrary opinion to you is wrong and that you, as God’s chosen are here to lead and tell others how to live their lives. And when you’re told all this and you’re told that this is one of the main reasons why Jews are treated as they are, you never think on it and wonder “hey, maybe they’re right? Should we not change our way?” but instead carry on, digging holes all around you that you inevitably fall head first into and are back at square one.

    The definition of insanity is “doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results each time.” Therefore, there is only one conclusion to be drawn when it comes to Jews – you’re all stark, raving bonkers!

    • 回复: @anon111
  332. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    The 6 million mentioned some 100 times before WW2 started?

    Mentioned by who? Where? What has this to do with the WW11 Holocaust?

    And again, David Irving’s challenge still remains, that he’ll give \$1,000 to anyone who can prove there was an extermination policy instead of an expulsion policy of the Jews.

    Haha. Old Hitler lover Irving would not have 2 bob to rub together mate.
    Someone here on UR was handing around the begging bowl for him yesterday.

    But I’ll give it a go for nothing:

    On November 16, Goebbels wrote a piece for Das Reich which stated that <b>”The Jews are receiving a penalty that is certainly hard, but more than deserved. World Jewry erred in adding up the forces available to it for this war, and now is gradually experiencing the destruction that it planned for us, and would have carried out without a second thought if it had possessed the ability. It is perishing according its own law: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. [1}”</b>

    [1] Die Juden sind schuld!” Das eherne Herz: Reden und Aufsätze aus den Jahren 1941/42 von
    Joseph Goebbels, Munich, 1943, p. 85; English translation by Randall Bytwerk at Calvin
    College German Propaganda Archive:

    why do you call the Germans racist? Judaism is a religion

    I use the term interchangeably with bigot is the short reply.

    And enslaving, well there are many stories that never got out, about the work camps. What were these stories from the Jews interned within? How about being paid a wage for their work? How about the nurseries, the theatres, the sporting events, the hospitals, the brothels that the Germans gave to the Jews? There are videos on the internet of conversations with former camp inmates who speak of this. Why do we never hear of this?

    You forgot the swimming pool? That was a fire fighting water reserve and slaves were not taking dips. It’s all well documented and thoroughly debunked and corrected. The facilities you talk about where exclusively for the use of the SS at Aushcwitz or at the special family camp set up for propaganda, spa town Theresienstadt.

    I could go on but there is little point. You have no interest in the history and researching and examining the record. You display your pro Nazi anti Jewish ignorance and lack of curiosity with the rote repetition of the denier liar canards.

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  333. anarchyst 说:
    @Harbinger

    司法通知”是一种法律学说,用于将“普遍接受的信念”,无论多么错误,甚至在科学和物理上是不可能的,变成等同于不允许异议或反驳的“宗教正统”。 这是犹太人用来使最古怪和荒谬的大屠杀™ 声明合法化的工具。
    这种策略在纽伦堡审判中使用并取得了良好的效果,并在今天的“袋鼠法庭”中用于对付那些敢于质疑证人关于大屠杀™ 的任何方面的谎言、捏造和主张的人。
    “司法通知”和“大屠杀™”的最新两名受害者是 8 岁多岁的祖母莫妮卡·谢弗和厄休拉·哈弗贝克,正如我们所说,他们被关押在德国戒备森严的监狱中。
    调用“司法通知”时,TRUTH不能用作辩护。

    • 同意: Mike P
  334. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Mentioned by who? Where? What has this to do with the WW11 Holocaust?”

    http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php

    “The Jews are receiving a penalty that is certainly hard, but more than deserved. World Jewry erred in adding up the forces available to it for this war, and now is gradually experiencing the destruction that it planned for us, and would have carried out without a second thought if it had possessed the ability. It is perishing according its own law: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

    This proves nothing at all, whatsoever, in any proof of an extermination order. Are you incapable of understanding that the Jews sought to destroy Germany and the German people?
    http://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml
    Therefore, it was to this book that gave Goebbels his ammunition to use against international Jewry. Unlike the constant promotion, by Jews, of an extermination order against Jews, by the Third Reich, that has no factual evidence whatsoever, we have it here, in plain writing, of the wish for an extermination of the German people, completely ignored, for obvious reason, by academia and the msm, just as it has ignored the tens of millions murdered in Russia by Jews.
    If you can find this piece of ‘evidence’ do you not think that the far more intelligent and wise Irving, would have as well? Therefore seeing as he most certainly has, he obviously deduced that it represented nothing whatsoever, of an extermination order given by Hitler. He was, believe it or not, running the show.

    “You forgot the swimming pool? That was a fire fighting water reserve and slaves were not taking dips. It’s all well documented and thoroughly debunked and corrected. The facilities you talk about where exclusively for the use of the SS at Aushcwitz or at the special family camp set up for propaganda, spa town Theresienstadt.”

    And where is the proof? Ah the Jews I suppose…..Elie Wiesel by any chance, or was it the Germans, at Nuremberg, after they’d had their testicles smashed in order to give false testimony for the Jews?

    “I could go on but there is little point. You have no interest in the history and researching and examining the record. You display your pro Nazi anti Jewish ignorance and lack of curiosity with the rote repetition of the denier liar canards.”

    But you do go on and you will continue to go on, because as the deluded Jew that you are, until you have forced your BS history down everyone’s throats you won’t stop. And quite the contrary I have an exceptional interest in history and choose to REVISE it as all good historians do, unlike you who regurgitates Jewish propaganda in order to continue the lie that is Jewish persecution and suffering.
    And believe it or not I am NOT a national socialist. I am an acarchist – extreme right wing in that I do not support the state having control over any individual who does not consent to being so. The state and the authority over the individual, promoting the group mentality (hive), is very much the domain of the left (communism, fascism and nazism). The right encompasses conservatism (conserving one’s culture), liberarianism – a society governed by liberty above all else and anarchism which is the existence without rule and/or rulers. The only difference between national socialism and international socialism is that one seeks to protect and promote the indigenous peoples of that land above all else, while the other seeks to destroy the cultures of all lands, creating a world homogeneous blob of cultures and people, into one, thereby destroying the natural cohesion within people, to fight back against oppression. This exemplifies the very ethos of the Jew, who is a minority within all lands and can only gain control when people are infighting and ignoring his vile schemes.

    You do not seek to promote the truth Momus. You are here to do, that which the Jew is renowned – divide and conquer. I haven’t read one of your posts yet which isn’t filled with subjective nonsense and name calling.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
  335. anon111 说:
    @Harbinger

    First off Momus, I am not your mate. There’s nothing more I loathe in this world than Hasbarat trolls.

    is that what he is?

    i figured he was a jew or a fool carrying water for them

  336. anon111 说:

    the holohoax has been beat to death. jews need to get over it and scholars need to move on to more important matters like the Armenian Genocide, the Holodomor, and the Soviet Gulags. Hollywood needs to start making movies about these things and we need to see memorials put up on every street corner here in the U.S. by shameless ethnic tribes at taxpayers expense. jews need to be browbeat at every opportunity for their roles in these horrific crimes against humanity.

    then we can all get along

    • 回复: @Harbinger
    , @Momus
    , @NoseytheDuke
  337. anon111 说:
    @Anon

    Is a social contract something like murdering Palestinian children?

    i think its where a (((certain group))) tries to convince you that every minority, no matter how strange, violent or perverted, is more important than the majority

  338. Harbinger 说:
    @anon111

    “the holohoax has been beat to death. jews need to get over it and scholars need to move on to more important matters like the Armenian Genocide, the Holodomor, and the Soviet Gulags.”

    But it hasn’t anon. It’s still, not just a case of very much alive, but a hungry, ferocious beast that people are terrified to pacify. Until the holocaust has been firmly debunked, with realistic death tolls and the many lies about it destroyed can we only begin to move on to bringing about the other important matters into discussion. Quite simply, once this is done and people, not just a tiny minority but the overwhelming majority know of the perfidy of Jewry nothing will change and of course:

    ” Hollywood needs to start making movies about these things and we need to see memorials put up on every street corner here in the U.S. by shameless ethnic tribes at taxpayers expense. jews need to be browbeat at every opportunity for their roles in these horrific crimes against humanity.”

    this can only be achieved ONCE Hollywood, the msm, academia and of course politics firmly comes under the control of the non Jews, in order that the truth be told, instead of hidden away. It’s somewhat of a catch 22. You can only educate the people en mass through the use of the msm, academia and politics and yet you can only do this through education!

    There’s no doubt about it that the tribe has been responsible for the deaths of far more peoples than all non Jewish tyrants added together, but they have the power. They have the power to make countless movies about the holocaust. If you ever check Star Trek, for example, one of the most popular TV shows of the last 50 years, there isn’t one series that doesn’t have mention of the nazis, or a similar alien race, very much like them. You can see this within almost every show that the msm throws out – Supernatural, Grimm…the list goes on and on. The continued conditioning of the public into never forgetting WW2 and more importantly the holocaust is ingrained within them, everywhere they look. And let’s not forget the use of the nazi slur to anyone who opposes immigration and multiculturalism.

    The holocaust is the foundation of Jewish control and of course the state of Israel. Destroy it and watch the tribes new world order fall into ruin.

    • 回复: @Momus
  339. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    the holohoax has been beat to death. jews need to get over it and scholars need to move on to more important matters like the Armenian Genocide…..jews need to be browbeat at every opportunity for their roles in these horrific crimes against humanity.

    Sir, can you explain what was the Jewish role in the Armenian Genocide?

    • 回复: @anon111
  340. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    There’s no doubt about it that the tribe has been responsible for the deaths of far more peoples than all non Jewish tyrants added together, but they have the power. They have the power to make countless movies about the holocaust. If you ever check Star Trek, for example, one of the most popular TV shows of the last 50 years, there isn’t one series that doesn’t have mention of the nazis, or a similar alien race, very much like them. You can see this within almost every show that the msm throws out – Supernatural, Grimm…the list goes on and on. The continued conditioning of the public into never forgetting WW2 and more importantly the holocaust is ingrained within them, everywhere they look. And let’s not forget the use of the nazi slur to anyone who opposes immigration and multiculturalism.

    The holocaust is the foundation of Jewish control and of course the state of Israel. Destroy it and watch the tribes new world order fall into ruin.

    Wackadoodle, cornspeeracee stuff.

    You have a tribe of Jews living for free in your head.

    I have serious concerns about your mental health.

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  341. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    查一下

    and dont stop there, educate yourself on the other two as well

    • 回复: @Momus
  342. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Wackadoodle, cornspeeracee stuff.

    You have a tribe of Jews living for free in your head.

    I have serious concerns about your mental health.”

    And again Momus, you dive deep into the subjective, not one, but three sentences ridiculing and insulting while not even bothering about the subject matter.
    Again, I only bring the objective into debate. Although I haven’t watched all that the msm has to offer, more so, now that I only watch what it has, the odd time on YT, just to catch up with the programming, there are more and more series which continually remind people of the holocaust. There are none on the Jewish genocide of Russians. There are none of the holodomor. There are none on the Armenian genocide. There are none on the Chinese revolution. There are none on the horrific treatment of Germans after the war. There are none of the interned Japanese. And of course, not one on the suffering of the Palestinians. It is constant programming, to tell the gullible goyim that only Jews have been persecuted and if anyone else has, it will never compare to the suffering of the tribe.

    You are now scraping the barrel, knowing that you have been soundly beaten in debate you bring forth speculation of my mental health. I can, thankfully inform you that I am very healthy in the mental department.

    I will leave you with Arthur Schopenhauer:

    “Truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is vehemently denied and third it is accepted as self evident.”

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  343. Momus 说:
    @anon111

    查一下

    and dont stop there, educate yourself on the other two as well

    There is the shared experience of a Holocaust, and many prominent Armenian Jews.

    Other than that no Jewish involvement at all except in the brains of fevered, wackadoodle cornspeeracee nut jobs. 😉

    • 回复: @anon111
  344. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    You are now scraping the barrel, knowing that you have been soundly beaten in debate you bring forth speculation of my mental health. I can, thankfully inform you that I am very healthy in the mental department.

    Me presenting an historical analysis of events and you refusing to even investigate outside the narrow paradigm of Holocaust denial lying is not debate, mate.

    ..there are more and more series which continually remind people of the holocaust. …. There are none on the Armenian genocide.

    You really are an ignorant boofhead, mentally constipated and hell bent on making an anonymous fool of yourself. Here are 8 films that deal with the Armenian genocide:

    The Armenian Genocide, The Promise, The Cut, Ararat, 1915, Intent to Destroy, The Lark Farm, Aghet.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472044/

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  345. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    They have to be willing to risk a lot. Firstly, we get isolated from mainstream society by uncovering inconvenient truths that put us at odds with those who haven’t done so, and then secondly, we risk severe consequences if we are found to have been spreading these truths.
    People are kept in line by fear, not by technical hurdles.

    I guess we are getting “there”.
    Your point is that masses/majority/mainstream are afraid of consequences and they don’t dig/seek for a truth because of that fear. Feels weak and cowardly. Weak cowards get masters they deserve.
    My point is even worse. They don’t care. People who don’t care for truth also get masters they deserve.

    It becomes an us vs. them thing.

    True. For some. Not for majority/mainstream.

    In general, the question is: How do we expose and condemn the toxic behavior of the Jewish tribe, without strengthening their tribal identity?

    For some, definitely.
    For some other it’s:
    In general, the question is: How do we define “them” and expose and condemn their toxic behavior. “Them” being forces at work which make our lives more and more miserable.

    “A country has the Jews it deserves. Just as mosquitoes can thrive and settle only in swamps, likewise the former can only thrive in the swamps of our sins.” – Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
    Having said that, mosquito fogging can still improve the quality of life in swampy areas.

    有趣。
    I find this better, though:
    “A country has the ruling class it deserves. Just as mosquitoes can thrive and settle only in swamps, likewise the former can only thrive in the swamps of our sins.” – Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
    Having said that, mosquito fogging can still improve the quality of life in swampy areas.

    The Transfer Agreement proves their preference was for expulsion. I accept there must have been many subsequent Jewish deaths, but I’m not convinced it was ever a goal.

    Maybe, at the very beginning of the process. War, or better, conduct of war changed that. Result is important here, not initial intention.
    Americans didn’t intend to firebomb Tokyo in summer 1941. A couple of years later it changed.

    The first is stated as absolute fact and hence we’re expected to draw the corresponding emotional conclusions, while the second is a offhand speculation and isn’t supposed to be taken seriously.

    Agree with former.
    As for the later, don’t know, but I do have a certain emotional conclusion when visualizing the process of having 2 000 000 people killed. Maybe just me. A snowflake. Shame on me.
    喜欢:
    A family, middle class, minding their own business, obeying the state laws. Productive members of society. 5 members, mother, father, two daughters under 10 and boy of 12.
    2 A.M. Banging at the door, team bursting in, rounding them up, yelling, hit here and there, screaming, crying….dump in a truck, already filled with similar people (a couple babies too)…drive to a train station……etc….etc….
    Go with the flow, visualize all that. Put yourself in father’s place. Cold/heat, starving, beating, yelling, constant fear. Real fear, not that from the first paragraph.
    Just because they were Jews.

    Just 2 0000 0000. Could’ve been 2 123 567. Or, 2 765 421. Makes a difference? Emotional conclusion?

    Momus handle types with ease can put themselves in that father’s place, and draw emotional conclusions.
    And act upon them. Wouldn’t you?

    From time to time, the sheer force of truth can motivate the general public enough to cause a political earthquake.

    Maybe. If/when some other things click in place.
    You mean “All Jews are cause for our misery. We just get rid of them and all will be fine”? That truth?

    祝你好运。

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  346. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Me presenting an historical analysis of events and you refusing to even investigate outside the narrow paradigm of Holocaust denial lying is not debate, mate.”

    No you haven’t. You have regurgitated Jewish lies, being passed off as truth.

    “You really are an ignorant boofhead, mentally constipated and hell bent on making an anonymous fool of yourself. Here are 8 films that deal with the Armenian genocide:”

    And how many speak of the Donmeh Jews being behind it? In fact, how many even mention Jews?
    Just for you Momus:
    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=77
    More Jews getting up to mischief. Well I never……

    • 回复: @anon111
    , @Momus
  347. anon111 说:
    @Momus

    Other than that no Jewish involvement at all

    of course not 😉

  348. anon111 说:
    @Harbinger

    从你的链接:

    “Shortly after the revolution in July 1908, it soon became known that many of the Young Turks’ leading members were Freemasons. It was noticed that Jews of all colours, native and foreign, were enthusiastic supporters of the new dispensation, till, as many Turks expressed it, every Hebrew became a potential spy of the Young Turks. Turks began to remark that the movement was rather a Jewish than a Turkish Revolution设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    German Revolution? Russian Revolution? Turkish Revolution? – its the (((same foreign agitators))) every time and someone else always ends up getting killed in huge numbers

    no wonder nobody cares about their holohoax any more

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  349. Them Guys 说:
    @Harbinger

    Harbinger, I for one just would like to Thank You for being here, and continuing to post some of the most important, and well articulated information regarding the main issues related to the big jew questions. I consider You and perhaps a couple of other posters that I do not recall names of now to be the Very wisest and best poster and forum members on this entire website!

    You really do have a way with words eh!….Again thank you and please remain here for I am certain that, even though we who are of the awake and jewized up crowd typically feel as if our message barley reach or convince very many asleep souls. And that being due to how every one of us has experienced being mainly disowned by jq-public, as well as our own families in many cases. However we really have no good way of adding up the true numbers of folks who arrive at a site like this and do become wized up etc…I try to think positive on it and hope we get proven correct that sooner or later the awakened numbers shall sky rocket soon……Them Guys

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  350. Harbinger 说:
    @anon111

    “German Revolution? Russian Revolution? Turkish Revolution? – its the (((same foreign agitators))) every time and someone else always ends up getting killed in huge numbers

    no wonder nobody cares about their holohoax any more”

    Go back to possibly the first main revolution within the west – 1649, the English civil war. Dutch Jews, funded Oliver Cromwell, who murdered King Charles 1st, thus ending the indigenous line and allowing Jews to return 5 years later, who then instituted the private bank of the Bank of England and kickstarted the British Empire, to start their money making schemes to eventually take Palestine for themselves. Look at the chaos that happened after the English civil war, not just in the UK, but the world?
    If you read Mein Kampf Hitler speaks of how under every piece of trouble, you’ll find a Jew squirming in the middle. Nothing changes.
    Worse, they are rapidly trying to bring in their new world order, to set about an extermination program, to bring the world’s population down to under 500million people. They are absolutely terrified of people finding out the truth because they’re all beginning to wake up. They know it’s either us or them.

  351. Harbinger 说:
    @Them Guys

    I’m flattered by your praise is not necessary, although much appreciated. I stand on the shoulders of giants. I am merely relaying much of other’s research, with my own flair added.
    People are waking up to the Jewish question and as I stated to anon111, the Jews are terrified of people finding out the truth and hence why they are doing their best to control everything, of late the internet and here in the UK, 15 year sentences for anyone who views websites such as this and any other right wing one. Talk about authoritarianism?
    They know that their D-day is rapidly approaching and unless they implement their totalitarian, socialist state, their number’s up.
    The well know fable of 那个喊狼来了的孩子 将被替换为 The Jew Who Cried Holocaust.

  352. Them Guys 说:

    If you watch the many older movies like on Turner Classics tv channel, you can spot the propaganda programing even as far back as the 1930’s and 1940’s era of films. For example, what got me so curious to really pay very close atten. to the verbal scripted dialogue spoken in such movies to see what was actual Pre-programing of peoples minds. Was how so many of the Female actress’s that we were always told by Hollywood and its cohorts such as people magazine etc. Of just which women they considered to be as Gods of abject beauty, and what Every normal red blooded man should maintain a deep sexual desire for.

    Women such as Betty Davis and too many for me to recall names of now, that Hollywood and every MSM praised for their beauty and sex desire by men of…Yet in my opinion, those women are some of the worst example of a “Babe” and never in a thousand years would I as a man ever wish to have any sexual relationship with such, there is only one good way to describe my feelings as to their claimed beauty, which is, sorry but to me they are totally Butt-Ugly!

    Look at betty davis, big bug eyes bulging outwards, with a very Nasty attitude of a total bitch. cunt, whore at best. And the other blockbuster movie females aint much better in many cases.

    Then it dawned on me….What we were viewing, posed as just another well thought out script for a movie to entertain, was in reality no more than a pre planned method of using movies and TV, to convince viewing public to Later, fully except and obey, when the next agenda began to be promoted by TV news medias.

    Like for example, every main major big agenda we have all lived thru for past 60 years or so, such as “MLK & Civil Rights”, “The women’s Burn bras fem Movnt.”, the always present and never ending continuing storys and wild claims of the jewish holyhoax events, and every other policy or agenda that created major societal changes.

    All of those past movies, same as todays brand, are just a massive effort not geared so much as entertainment media, as they are for Pre-Programing People in general as I said prior to fully except whatever new agenda the public has no real say in accepting of…

    The main reason they so promoted females like betty davis et al, was so that after about 30+ years if not longer yet, peoples minds were saturated with the thoughts of “Maybe women shoud be Boss over men?”…..And “Gee we really do need act and create better lives for women”.

    And “Gee Female women should be in full top control as CEO’s at most every huge corp!”

    Which jewish Hollywood knew was all in 180 degree opposite of what americans, that were basically a euro white Christian vast majority, would never agree with unless so brainwashed for so long non stop…Reason for that was due to in several places biblically, we are told that to have women as the Head or Boss, or as top leader of nations aka us prez/congress members etc. Was to be Cursed as a nation and peoples!

    The orig order design was for Males as Heads of it all, women to submit and obey men…Now that’s not to be taken as men can run roughshod over women or mistreat females or any such nonsense.

    Just it is a fact men more make use of real facts and logic, while most females think based mostly upon Touchy Feelings Emotions….And major corp or national fed gov decisions must always be made according to real factual logic and never made based upon idiotic female emotional Feelings to determine whats best etc.

    For instance…Go to a store to buy a new lawnmower, if you have another man with you, he will never likely say that “Gee I’d consider to buy that RED painted Mower!…and when You asked him why, reply, “Because I love color red and besides its a CUTE lawnmower!”

    However, even though the word ‘cute” has no place in conversation of lawnmowers, to a female it sure does!….Most all women base buyer decisions on is…”is that object or item, Cute?” and if Yes it is….By All means buy it!….If her female companion says “Oh do not consider That item because my other girlfriend told me it wasn’t cute enough, or it was an ugly color” then 1st women buyer will exit store pronto, and instead go look for a different thing to buy! Then when back home, most females rush in and shout “Outta My Way! I need to open every package to See what I bought at the stores today!”……Men know what they bought at stores. And typically only shop at a store if or when some item is needed! One more reason women in fed gov control is a bad idea and ends in national cursed nation and peoples.

    And that’s all done when a woman is not in middle of a PMS crises!

    Yes many very good and swell reasons exist as to just why until 1970’s nobody complained much seriously about why are most positions that matter held by Men.

    But after being fully constantly pre-programed Via movies to change it to allow women to gain upper hand controls….Most people gladly accepted whatever was thrown at them. Same goes for Tons and tons of whitey-Guilt and racist whiteys scripts in movies…Recall “Guess who’s coming to dinner”?…..It was 1960 or early 60s, was called by lefty libs as a “Ground Breaking Movie”.

    Well yes it sure broke ground when movies main theme was to view abject shock factors when young beautiful, White Blonde Daughter brings a surprise Guest Man home for Dinner and never tells parents that…wait for it!…..Never tells parents that her male dinner guest/Boyfriend shes madly in Love with is…..African Black, Daddy!…”Yo kinz I callz You Dad” hehee..

    Right smack center during major civil rights and mlk parade days eh..

    And it has been done for every agenda one can think of or recall that so badly changed america and the Western man nations in general. And like all things lib dem marxist motivated, always turn out as abject Failures which cost more and more, take longer and longer in time to complete and yet never get done what was promiced to happen, nor do little if any good for majority euro white and their nations.

    Another amazeing discovery detail is that although an over abundance of WWII movies were made both Prior to wwii as well as during and after wwii eras….and even with many such wwii movies portrayed jewry as “Main Victims”….None actually show scenes nor scripted voices that show nor speak of any so called “Six Million Jews” nor of any Gassss chambers or gassing deaths!

    Indeed most folks still are asleep to fact that most every of a massive catalog list of movies produced in past 70+ years, were a total pre planned propaganda promotion to get folks to accept bad changes and never question why they so accepted that crap scam.

    See for self and view a few older black and white movies with the so many so called Beautifull Babes that most men drooled over or had fantacy mind sex with!….Most such female early stars were simply Ugly as sin! And nobody, any sane male, should wish to have sex with let alone even kiss on the mouth with. Oh, and yes, most such female stars were all jews…Cohencidence again?

    Now yes there also were many really beautiful babe women stars back then of course. But I am speaking only about those females always used in ways to promote a women yelling at and smacking a man so to show men her female leadership potential Powers. Mean nasty females. An huge abundance of them too.

    Now today with weekly more people realizing how they got so duped by such movies and tv msm news, them control freek jews in hollywood and DC and everywheres they operate from, are freaking out at what can they now do to regain trust and bring awake folks back into the barn stalls, or if unable to, then how to fast get Rid of awake folk before the entire mess blows up in the faces of those control freeks, most of which are jewish.

  353. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    My point is even worse. They don’t care. People who don’t care for truth also get masters they deserve.

    They don’t care because they’re afraid. People intuitively, instinctively and unconsciously know that certain topics are live wires and, in order to safeguard their social standing and preempt cognitive dissonance, they put up a facade of not caring.

    “A country has the ruling class it deserves. Just as mosquitoes can thrive and settle only in swamps, likewise the former can only thrive in the swamps of our sins.”

    It seems we’re discussing the amount of Jewish involvement in the ruling class in binary terms: all or nothing. Perhaps we need some middle ground, like ‘Anglo-Zionists’ or ‘Banksters’.

    But as far as I can see, the core of the ruling class’s power structure has always been Jewish, with gentiles like the Clintons running errands on the outside. Note that whether they’re genuine descended-from-Israel Jews is irrelevant, the point is simply that they self-identify as Jews and are accepted by the majority of powerful Jews. I don’t think matriarchial lineage is as important as they make out, and I don’t think that their obscure religion is so important either. It’s a tribe. It’s got a tribal life, and it can turn a blind eye and assimilate outsiders who respect the tribe’s culture. Ivanka Trump is particularly high profile, but there must be millions of gentiles who passed themselves off as Jews when moving to America or Israel.

    Perhaps Anglo-Zionists would have been an accurate historical term, since WASPs used to have a degree of sovereignty and worked with Jews out of mutual benefit. Today, it seems that Anglo HQ (London) takes its orders from Jew HQ (Washington/Tel Aviv) so the Anglo-Zionist term is misleading. Zionist is also not great, since it implies a focus on the physical territory of Israel, which is really just the Vatican City of their empire.

    Overall I agree that ‘The Jews’ is not 100% accurate, but I feel it’s closer to the truth than any description omitting mention of the tribe.

    Can you suggest any improvements?

    Maybe, at the very beginning of the process. War, or better, conduct of war changed that. Result is important here, not initial intention.

    But everyone was doing this. Like you mentioned, the Americans firebombed Tokyo and nuked two other cities. Dresden was firebombed and killed God knows how many people. Allied generals are on record making genocidal (towards Germans) comments. How many Germans died in Soviet camps? How many Germans died in Eisenhower’s post-war American concentration camps?

    The judges at Nuremberg said “To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.=

    And therefore I lay the ultimate blame at the foot of the people who started it all. Call them what you will.

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    , @peterAUS
  354. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    So I’ve presented you with a list of films on the Armenian genocide. I will assume you will be Netflixing all a weekend?

    The donmeh stuff is more low grade, wackadoodle cornsperasee stuff. Funny to see you and the other wackos elevating the opinions of a shyster Jew to historical fact

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  355. Anon[913]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Implicit admission from yourself that you acknowledger the social contract?

    Direct block quote from YOU, Momus the lying Brit shyster.
    Again, I ask you, is a ‘social contract’ in any way related to murdering Palestinian children?

    • 回复: @Momus
  356. @Anonymous

    The ultimate crime for me is provoking war.
    Poland did it in 1939, supported by GB, and possibly FDR, FDR did it with Pearl Harbour, Bush with Sept 11.
    Is there one other country in the world that had twice some 3000 of its own citizens killed in order to get a pretext for war ?
    Neurenberg, a farce, as the USA Chairman of the High Court said to Frankfurter:
    布鲁斯·艾伦·墨菲(Bruce Allen Murphy),“布兰代斯/法兰克福关系,两位最高法院法官的秘密政治活动”,纽约,1983年
    In Neurenberg Göring made mincemeat of the accusations, chairman Jackson was so enraged that he had to leave the courtroom.
    In the IQ tests Göring got the highest score, with Schacht.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  357. @Momus

    The Armenian genocide, a Morgenthau invention
    亨利·摩根索(Henry Morgenthau),“摩根索大使的故事”,1918年,纽约
    希思·劳里(Heath W. Lowry),《摩根索大使的故事背后的故事》,伊斯坦布尔,1990年
    《奥斯曼帝国晚期的亚美尼亚人》,安卡拉TürkkayaAtatöv编辑,2002年。
    霍华德·萨查尔(Howard M. Sachar),“中东的出现1914-1924”,纽约,1969年

  358. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    They don’t care because they’re afraid. People intuitively, instinctively and unconsciously know that certain topics are live wires and, in order to safeguard their social standing and preempt cognitive dissonance, they put up a facade of not caring.

    That’s, say, positive way of looking at things, people in general.
    Mine is a bit more cynical I guess: people don’t care because they simply do not care. Or, better, they care about other things much more. As shopping, Kardashians, Facebook etc.

    Perhaps we need some middle ground, like ‘Anglo-Zionists’ or ‘Banksters’.

    Agree, as a starting point.
    A careful analysis would be good. Say, in layers, for top 20 % of an average western society, USA in particular.

    But as far as I can see, the core of the ruling class’s power structure has always been Jewish, with gentiles like the Clintons running errands on the outside.

    Well, as far as I can see it it’s not that simple.
    I am closer to

    Perhaps Anglo-Zionists would have been an accurate historical term, since WASPs used to have a degree of sovereignty and worked with Jews out of mutual benefit.

    Still being relevant.

    Overall I agree that ‘The Jews’ is not 100% accurate, but I feel it’s closer to the truth than any description omitting mention of the tribe.
    Can you suggest any improvements?

    也许。
    I just call them “the elite”.
    My take is that relationship between WASPs and Jews is a bit more nuanced and complicated. In group that is. Elites.
    Not Jews as all of them. As not WASPs as all of them.
    Key expression “all of them”, as is, apparently, quite popular around here.

    But everyone was doing this.

    不同意。
    Only Nazis were doing that to all the members of a certain ethnic group.

    The closest that comes to that was a treatment of Japanese in USA.

    Even Soviets weren’t doing that to any particular ethnic group. True..hehe…they weren’t making distinctions, ethnicity based, when dealing with the “enemies of the people/state/Party/Great Leader/whatever”.
    But even they didn’t send babies to gulags (as far as I know).

    “To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

    Haha…now this is just a crackup.
    Iraq, 2003?

    As for WW2

    And therefore I lay the ultimate blame at the foot of the people who started it all. Call them what you will.

    I tend to spread the blame a bit wider.
    Nazis first, Japanese second and then the rest of warring parties.
    Say, ANZACs the least.
    Actually, Brazilians.

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    , @dfordoom
  359. @CanSpeccy

    Hitler’s hope was to force Churchill to make peace

  360. @Incitatus

    German deaths were around ten million, on a population of some 44 million

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  361. @Incitatus

    Emperor Louis attacked because of internal political reasons, he needed popularity

  362. Anonymous [AKA "horhug"] 说: • 您的网站
    @anon111

    Re: Auschwitz prisoner numbers.

    See also : Post 53 above by Per/Norway.

    The monthly tables for the daily Auschwitz inmate counts between Jan 42 and Jan 43 were published in January 2013

    These are primary source figures, from intercepted German radio transmissions decoded by Bletchley Park.

    They were declassified in 1996 / 97 and until 2013, had been gathering dust in the UK’s National Archives ( PRO ), virtually untouched by “Holocaust historians” …

    http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/ww2decrypts.html

    No sign of any “Holocaust” going on whatsoever …

    horhug

  363. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    The ultimate crime for me is provoking war.
    Poland did it in 1939, supported by GB, and possibly FDR, FDR did it with Pearl Harbour, Bush with Sept 11.

    The Polish has been persecuting Germans well before 1939, because they were given a bunch of German land still containing German nationals after the end of the first war.

    Also let’s not forget “JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY: Jews Of All The World Unite In Action” which was the cover of the Daily Express on 24th March 1933.

  364. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Agree, as a starting point.
    A careful analysis would be good. Say, in layers, for top 20 % of an average western society, USA in particular.

    Yes, but not just this. Elon Musk will come right at the top but I don’t sense he’s pushing for political change. We’re really looking for people right at the top (1% not 20%) who use a substantial amount of their power and wealth to push political change. Soros, Saban, Adelson, etc. Most of the people pushing hard to turn their money into power seem to be Jewish, not gentile.

    My take is that relationship between WASPs and Jews is a bit more nuanced and complicated. In that group that is. Elites.
    Not Jews as all of them. As not WASPs as all of them.
    Key expression “all of them”, as is, apparently, quite popular around here.

    WASPs don’t seem to be pushing for much nowadays. I see empty suits like Clinton, Blair, Merkel, and Macron taking orders from above, and I see a lot of the WASP establishment (like the Queen of England) whitewashing it all and going along for the ride, but I don’t see much strategy originating from the WASP side any more.

    Do you have any insights that suggest they’re not just taking a back seat to the Big Jews?

    不同意。
    Only Nazis were doing that to all the members of a certain ethnic group.

    Didn’t that certain ethnic group start the whole mess by trying to wipe out all Germans? Their rhetoric was genocidal, their economic sanctions devastating, and their subsequent war decimated the German population.

    I tend to spread the blame a bit wider.
    Nazis first, Japanese second and then the rest of warring parties.
    Say, ANZACs the least.
    Actually, Brazilians.

    怎么样 ”JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY: Jews Of All The World Unite In Action” which was the cover of the Daily Express on 24th March 1933?

    How about the treaty of Versailles? It put Germany in such a corner that the second war seemed an inevitable continuation of the first.

    Germany back then (1914) was a fact, just like China is a fact today. We could go to war with China today, and we may even win, but it wouldn’t stop the rise of the Chinese people. They have their own multi-millenial cycle of waxing and waning, and right now they’re waxing with a vengeance. In 1914, the Germans were not a soft people. They could not be safely abused and oppressed like Indonesians or Indians. They needed space and respect. Better to let them take some space at the expense of the waning Eastern Europeans than to drag the whole of Europe and it’s diaspora into a global conflagration.

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  365. Momus 说:
    @Anon

    Hard for me to see your point. Can you be more specific?
    If you are referring to Gazans probably not. Hamas seems to be bereft of morality in the same way Nazi fascists were indoctrinated and will murder Israeli and cause the death of their own children without compunction.

    • 回复: @Anon
  366. my2cents 说:
    @Anonymous

    The counting goes something like this:
    There were a total of 5 million Jews under German occupation during WW2
    Of those 4 million were gassed in non-existing gas chambers
    The remaining 5 million immigrated, changed their names, some repeatedly and have
    extorted money from Germany for the past 70 years.
    Very lucrative…You cannot make it up, but questioning it turns you into an Anti-Semite, a Nazi or another Hitler.
    I survived German occupation and 3 bombings by the Americans with a faulty atlas. But I am an “anti-semite” a “Nazi” and a “Hitler” in order to shut me up.

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  367. @CanSpeccy

    Well stupid, you said he didn’t want war.

  368. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    Do you have any insights that suggest they’re not just taking a back seat to the Big Jews?

    Not really. Just a gut feeling.
    My, say, research, has led me to believe (not know, believe) that there is a group/layer on top which shares the common motivation and goals. True, an interesting number (related to overall number in society) of Jews are in that group and they definitely have their own angle there, but, exact relationship between those subgroups remains unknown at the moment.

    That’s not the point in this “Hitler war/genocide/whatever” topic here. We could get again in this “group in power” thing in any article/thread on this site.

    The point is that Nazi regime organized genocide campaign against all Jews.

    Fanatics and mentally unbalanced are welcome, from both sides, to keep engaging in details. Don’t care. 6 million gassed and cremated vs 2 123 456/whatever dead from malnutrition, exposure, exhaustion, firing squads, whatever for me does not make any difference.
    Genocide, well planned, organized and executed by an advanced European state.

    Key statement “all Jews”. Including kids below 6. That’s all what matters.

    I just visualize a kid of 5 taken from his home at 2 am, dumped in truck, dumped in train, dumped in camp. Just one little kid, of 5. Not 6 million sacred victims.
    Just follow that journey, from his home to his death, of exposure, in one of those camps. Helps keeping the perspective here.For some.

    Some characters are fond of saying that there were no documents related to the genocide. It wasn’t the regime intention.

    I’d like to see some other documents, if possible.
    Disciplinary action against people in charge who by their action/inaction, caused deaths of those people. I mean, if it was a mistake, in war people do answer for negligence, incompetence and such.
    Just….one…..SS….officer….reprimanded, on paper, for his treatment of Jews in his charge.
    只有一个。

    Didn’t that certain ethnic group start the whole mess by trying to wipe out all Germans? Their rhetoric was genocidal, their economic sanctions devastating, and their subsequent war decimated the German population.

    No, it did not, in my book.
    I see it did in yours. Free will. Like vegans. Or suicide.

    Better to let them take some space at the expense of the waning Eastern Europeans than to drag the whole of Europe and it’s diaspora into a global conflagration.

    Do I sense some beef against East Europeans here?
    Makes sense. Straight from Mein Kampf. That “Lebensraum”…what’s the word in Chinese?

    Tactically, doesn’t make much of a sense.
    Going against Jews and Russians at the same time….well…talking about choosing your enemies wisely.

    Good luck there.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Anonymous
  369. Them Guys 说:
    @my2cents

    Don’t forget those jewish WWII Survivahs that were Born in, Raised in, and Never Left New York neighborhoods like manhatten, during the war…So once war ended and NY jews were still alive..They became a Survivah. And qualify to reap \$\$\$ Tax Free for life, then transfer monthly payments to grand kids who suffer from bad dreams and night mares of being Gaaassssed and thrown alive into hot Ovens!

    Due to new latest jew scientists discovery of how only a jew kid is born with intact memory genes, in their dna, and it can even be memory dna from a jew they never heard of nor was ever related to them. This is what creates bad dreams and causes a need for \$\$\$\$ from germans for jews lifetime of collecting. See how jews make it all function properly. DNA memory genes only affect a jew due to jews are “Special and Self Chozens”….

    And Anybody who believes such jewish nonsensical crap on memory dna genes, or believes in any such chozen status is too far gone already.

    • 回复: @Momus
  370. iffen 说:
    @peterAUS

    Genocide, well planned, organized and executed by an advanced European state.

    This is the conundrum, right?

    Could it happen here? Was there something “wrong,” something unique to the Germans that allowed it to happen?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @anon111
  371. peterAUS 说:
    @iffen

    This is the conundrum, right?

    它是。
    The most important, and which bothers Jews the most.

    Could it happen here? Was there something “wrong,” something unique to the Germans that allowed it to happen?

    问题。

    Hehe….that sounds a bit racist, isn’t it, “unique to the Germans”?
    Morbid jokes aside, my take (takes, as opinions, as body orifices) not exactly.
    Keyword “exactly”.

    It was a combination of things. Unique to time, place and peoples involved.

    What makes all that so terrifying is, of course, that people capable of such heights in science and arts were also capable of such…..level….when dealing with perceived enemy of the state.
    I guess it boils down to, ultimately, that cold efficiency. German thing, I guess.
    Cold efficiency. That was the thing, IMHO. Too cold and efficient.

    I mean look at Tutsis/Hutus.
    Efficient but not cold.

    巴尔干。
    Neither efficient nor cold.

    Middle East as we speak.
    Neither efficient nor cold.

    The question of yours, I guess, could it happen in USA.
    I think it can, not so cold but definitely even more efficient.

    If the regime in USA wants to eradicate Jews from within, technically, I don’t see any problem there. The state would do it fast and efficient.
    Say, put them in camps in New Mexico.

    Pretext would need to be….something…. I can’t imagine, and that is the thing.
    The idea/pretext was/is important, not the actual execution of the project.

    It would require something catastrophic regarding US way of life.

    Science fiction could help here. Yes, I know…..
    Say, a virus is released which attacks Jews only and person infected becomes mad and extremely violent. In that case the state would wish to “contain and control” such group.
    Camps in…somewhere….Alaska?
    Now, cold etc…so, there you/we go.

  372. iffen 说:

    The question of yours, I guess, could it happen in USA.

    We’ve touched on this before and my answer is no. Sure, we could have mass killings and civil war during a zombie apocalypse or after a few days of empty supermarket shelves, (or no wifi or cell phone service for a few weeks) but the targeting of Jews by the whole nation will not happen. Now, I am very confident of this, but I’m not Jewish. 🙂

    What do you have against New Mexico? 

  373. @peterAUS

    I just call them “the elite”.

    If you call them the elite you have a chance of being taken seriously. You even have a chance of getting a substantial number of people to agree with you.

    Once you start talking about the Jews people stop listening. They think you’re a candidate for a tinfoil hat or you’re an evil Nazi or the whole thing starts to scare them and they immediately reach for a handful of blue pills.

    Truth is pretty much irrelevant. What matters is whether you can sell your argument to people. All political discourse is propaganda. There is effective propaganda that may succeed in converting a few people and there is ineffective propaganda that is not going to persuade anyone at all.

    I’m not saying truth doesn’t exist. I’m not saying truth isn’t on our side. All I’m saying is that the effectiveness of propaganda has nothing to do with its degree of truthfulness.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @iffen
    , @peterAUS
  374. Momus 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    German deaths were around ten million, on a population of some 44 million

    More garbage from dirty ol’ jilles. The population of Germany in 1939 was over 79 million.

    在这里看看:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Census_in_Germany

  375. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    So once war ended and NY jews were still alive..They became a Survivah. And qualify to reap \$\$\$ Tax Free for life

    这方面的证据?

  376. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @dfordoom

    If you call them the elite you have a chance of being taken seriously. You even have a chance of getting a substantial number of people to agree with you.

    You mean you have a chance of getting some airtime on the corporate media?

    Once you start talking about the Jews people stop listening.

    Then why are the articles on this site that deal with the Jews and their antics by far the most commented on? Giraldi’s published a couple of classics, and Revusky’s parting shot collected the most comments I’ve ever seen on this site.

    Your post reads like a gatekeeper post, ie. ‘Keep it within boundaries that we deem acceptable and we might give you some credibility’. I see two issues with this: a) who are you to say where the boundaries are? b) speak the truth and speak it loudly. let the apologists run around reaching a compromise afterwards.

  377. iffen 说:
    @dfordoom

    I’m not saying truth isn’t on our side.

    Who or what is this “our” that you mention, kemo sabe?

  378. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    My, say, research, has led me to believe (not know, believe) that there is a group/layer on top which shares the common motivation and goals. True, an interesting number (related to overall number in society) of Jews are in that group and they definitely have their own angle there, but, exact relationship between those subgroups remains unknown at the moment.

    That’s not the point in this “Hitler war/genocide/whatever” topic here. We could get again in this “group in power” thing in any article/thread on this site.

    I think we’re still well within scope, especially considering UR comments usually go off on a tangent a few days after initial publication. Perhaps you could share a few keywords or search strings?

    The point is that Nazi regime organized genocide campaign against all Jews.

    You haven’t addressed my point about this being a retaliation for the potentially-genocidal Jewish campaign against all Germans.

    Also, you’re calling ‘organized genocide’, and yet we’ve both disavowed the holocaust narrative. If your baseless 2M speculation is correct, then that one would surely be called ‘disorganized genocide’, which is not nearly as clear cut with regards to motivation, and hence doesn’t necessarily qualify for the ‘genocide’ term at all.

    No, it did not, in my book.
    I see it did in yours. Free will. Like vegans. Or suicide.

    Why are you ignoring the evidence I presented? Judea declared war on Germany, not vice versa.

    Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!” – Bernard Lecache, the president of the “International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism,” in its newspaper “Droit de Vivre” (Right to Life), 9 November, 1938.

    Do I sense some beef against East Europeans here?
    Makes sense. Straight from Mein Kampf. That “Lebensraum”…what’s the word in Chinese?

    Absolutely no beef against Eastern Europeans at all. It just makes more sense to expand into a low pressure area than a high pressure area.

    And anyway, Lebensraum was a reaction against the annexation of German lands after the first war. If Berlin had been peacefully allowed to regain control over ethnic German-majority lands, much of the tension would have been defused and war could have been averted.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  379. Wally is an idiot and possibly mentally ill, but Momus is a walking argument for pressing the camps back into service.

    I especially like his angle that “hate speech” laws are benign instruments intended to protect the likes of Wally from being physically assaulted by the likes of him. Sounds legit.

    PeterAUS wins the thread by relating the Holocaust “debate” to the Iconoclasm feud between Leo and Gregory.

  380. peterAUS 说:
    @dfordoom

    Truth is pretty much irrelevant. What matters is whether you can sell your argument to people.

    All I’m saying is that the effectiveness of propaganda has nothing to do with its degree of truthfulness.

    同意。

    Hehe…I’d say that the effectiveness of propaganda is directly proportional to a level of distress the target population is in.

    Or, bigger the (perceived) trouble is, more effective propaganda is.
    Or, on a really crude level, comfortable people aren’t very receptive to propaganda.
    Takes an empty stomach to start listening. Or a real fear. Psychology 101.

    Now, that propaganda doesn’t need to be mainstream.
    Soviet Union is a good example, in late 80s, for example.

  381. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    Well, I wrote a detailed reply.
    Deleted it.
    Here is a short, but better version.

    I think I recognize your type. Just a 感觉.

    让我们这样说:

    Should things, in real life, start going your way (unlikely, but one never knows) I believe that Momus types have a very simple choice:
    Take you out as fast as they can.
    Run away as soon and as far as they can.

    Nothing personal, really. Just a prudent course of action, IMHO.
    I’d take it, even, as a sign of respect.

    保重。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  382. Anon[969]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Hard for me to see your point. Can you be more specific?

    You talk about a ‘social contract’.
    Why are israeli jews murdering Palestinian children?
    Why are jews the new Nazis?
    Why does israel keep the Palestinians in a concentration camp?
    When will israel finally respect human rights, and abide by your ‘social contract’?
    Btw, my grandfather was a victim of the holocaust. He fell out of a guard tower.
    He slipped on some dew. 🙂

    • 回复: @Momus
  383. Momus 说:
    @Anon

    Why are israeli jews murdering Palestinian children?

    They’re not. Palestinians murder Israeli kids.

    Why are jews the new Nazis?

    是吗

    Why does israel keep the Palestinians in a concentration camp?

    The argument goes that it is the Israelis in any camp. They have had to build huge fences and walls and a powerful military, to protect themselves from the bearded morons on all sides.

    When will israel finally respect human rights, and abide by your ‘social contract’?

    They always have respected human rights. They are experts on them.. Their army is the most moral in the world. It’s not my social contract it is civilised societies.

    Btw, my grandfather was a victim of the holocaust. He fell out of a guard tower.
    He slipped on some dew. 🙂

    Your grandad was a cockroach.

    • 巨魔: Them Guys
    • 回复: @Harbinger
    , @Thorfinnsson
  384. John Doran 说:

    A very valuable perspective, thank you, Unz Review.

    I would be much interested in getting feedback on another work of history.
    William Guy Carr was a Canadian WWII naval intelligence officer who researched
    40 + years for Pawns in the Game, published 1955.
    He also published other books.

    谢谢,
    约翰·多兰(John Doran)。

  385. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:

    Why does israel keep the Palestinians in a concentration camp?

    A very good point. A concentration camp is precisely what Gaza is.

    Btw, my grandfather was a victim of the holocaust. He fell out of a guard tower.

    Such an old joke, but I laughed heartily. This thread needs some humor 🙂

  386. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Well, I wrote a detailed reply.
    Deleted it.

    I would have preferred the detailed one, since I do keep raising valid points.

    I think I recognize your type. Just a feeling.

    So instead we go 广告人身攻击.

    Should things, in real life, start going your way (unlikely, but one never knows) I believe that Momus types have a very simple choice:
    Take you out as fast as they can.
    Run away as soon and as far as they can.

    Would that be entirely unreasonable? 9/11 was the event that got me questioning everything, and there will be hell to pay if it ever becomes publicly accepted who was behind it. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, of course, and all of those wars of aggression with their millions of casualties need to be answered for too.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  387. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “They’re not. Palestinians murder Israeli kids.”

    Oh come now Momus, why do you persist in your lies? Three weeks ago, when the American embassy moved to Jerusalem, to set about the start of moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem, 60 Palestinians were murdered by Israeli snipers, eight of whom were children.

    “是吗?”

    Well, the Israeli state is an ethno-nationalist, socialist state, so therefore by Jewish slur of the word national socialist they too are therefore ‘nazis’. And of course, their treatment of non Jews fits in perfectly with their deceit told of the German people and their hatred of non Germans. Blacks, for example were treated with courtesy and respect by the German people. All one has to do is read about Jesse Owens who spoke highly of Hitler and the German people. And what are Israelis doing with African immigrants? Are they not kicking them out, which is the exact opposite they tell the Europeans to do? They are kicking out African Jews and only want light skinned Ashkenazim there. They treat the indigenous Palestinian Jews with contempt.

    “The argument goes that it is the Israelis in any camp. They have had to build huge fences and walls and a powerful military, to protect themselves from the bearded morons on all sides.”

    The Jews, invaded the land of Palestine. The Balfour Declaration needs to be revoked because the British had no right to give land that was not theirs to give. More so, the invading Jews had and have no right to the land, seeing as they are not of Judea, but of Khazaria. It is not their homeland. You have built an open prison for Palestinians and stolen their land:
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html

    “They always have respected human rights. They are experts on them.. Their army is the most moral in the world. It’s not my social contract it is civilised societies.”

    There is nothing moral about the IDF. There is nothing civil about Israel whatsoever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p920R3Pwaok

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXJR-ZWnJ6E
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/sep/29/israel-jewish-arab-couples

    Again Momus, you are laughable to state the least. The blatant deceit that pours from your fingertips onto your keyboard is plain for all to see.

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @Momus
  388. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    Three weeks ago, when the American embassy moved to Jerusalem, to set about the start of moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem, 60 Palestinians were murdered by Israeli snipers, eight of whom were children.

    Hamas was responsible for the death of those people by ordering them forward. Most were Hamas members; thus designated terrorists. They had openly bragged about their intention to break into Israel and murder civilians. They were told not to attempt to breach the border or they would be fired on. Clear self defense.

    Well, the Israeli state is an ethno-nationalist, socialist state, so therefore by Jewish slur of the word national socialist they too are therefore ‘nazis’.

    Israel is a capitalist democracy not a socialist state, with major communities of religions other than Jewish.
    The religious affiliation of the Israeli population as of 2016 was 74.7% Jewish, 17.7% Muslim, 2.0% Christian, and 1.6% Druze, with the remaining 4.1% including both minor faiths such as Samaritanism and Baha’iism, and irreligious people with no faith.

    The Jews, invaded the land of Palestine. The Balfour Declaration needs to be revoked because the British had no right to give land that was not theirs to give. More so, the invading Jews had and have no right to the land, seeing as they are not of Judea, but of Khazaria. It is not their homeland. You have built an open prison for Palestinians and stolen their land:

    Blah blah blah. Funny how the Al Aqsa mosque is built on top of a Jewish temple and how Israeli archaeologists keep unearthing evidence that proves their connections to that area.

    • 回复: @Harbinger
  389. Harbinger 说:
    @Momus

    “Hamas was responsible for the death of those people by ordering them forward. Most were Hamas members; thus designated terrorists. They had openly bragged about their intention to break into Israel and murder civilians. They were told not to attempt to breach the border or they would be fired on. Clear self defense.”

    Hamas murdered unarmed civilians with sniper fire. And the witnesses to their bragging? Evidence? Jewish source no doubt? ‘The dead tell no tales after all’, do they Momus?

    “Israel is a capitalist democracy not a socialist state, with major communities of religions other than Jewish.
    The religious affiliation of the Israeli population as of 2016 was 74.7% Jewish, 17.7% Muslim, 2.0% Christian, and 1.6% Druze, with the remaining 4.1% including both minor faiths such as Samaritanism and Baha’iism, and irreligious people with no faith.”

    Oh Momus, Momus, Momus…..you’re really not getting this are you? It is a nationalist state, regardless what nonsense you wish to promote. Tell me, just what were the Muslim, Jewish and Christian figures in 1950? You can guarantee there were more Muslims and Christians than now. “That’s because it’s a Jewish state” you’ll reply, proving my point that it’s an ethno-nationalist state that enforces the law and in its desire to expel non Jews as it has and is doing, it is behaving no differently to the German state with its desire to expel Jews. Are you really so stupid as to not see this simple fact?

    “Blah blah blah. Funny how the Al Aqsa mosque is built on top of a Jewish temple and how Israeli archaeologists keep unearthing evidence that proves their connections to that area.”

    Erm…..nope. You’ll find that the ‘wailing wall’ (‘headbanger wall’ as sane people like to call it) is not any part of the Temple of Solomon but ironically a dumping ground for Christians in biblical times:
    http://www.askelm.com/temple/t000701.htm

    Momus, you really need to do far better. Your lack of knowledge and more important, condoning of IDF murder of innocents just goes to show others what a cretin you truly are.

    • 回复: @Momus
  390. Bob 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    @莫姆斯

    The gassing chamber at Auschwitz main camp was originally the morgue/crematorium. At the end of 1941 it was converted into a ‘homicidal gas chamber’

    During the war, in late 1944, it was converted into an air-raid shelter; after the war it was restored by the authorities to represent the original state. The attempt was partially symbolic and partially botched.

    As far as the ‘windows’ go there were no windows in the gassing chamber. There was a door to the washroom with a window. During the post war reconstruction of the crematorium from air raid shelter, the wall from the washroom to the morgue/crematorium was mistakenly removed giving the impression that the gassing room was served with a windowed door.

    The inward opening/swinging door door denier point has been extensively debunked by referring to the SS’s own plans. The gassing chamber did indeed have outward opening doors but a drafting mistake and a subsequent lazy copy of the same drawing showed them inward opening. Of course during the conversion to a gas chamber the job was site run and outward opening doors fitted.

    After the conversion to air raid shelter the wall and door was completely removed.

    The details of Auschwitz and Birkenau have been researched in meticulous detail and building details like the ones deniers make claims about can be refuted by simple examination of the Nazi SS’s own drawings.

    The room was a morgue and later an air raid shelter. Without taking proper documentation of the scene Poles tampered with the evidence in 1947 and we know thanks to the botched changes that the so called Zyklon holes never existed and were constructed in 1947 for the first time as proven by the fact they were measured from the walls which did not exist in the morgue.

    http://carolynyeager.net/new-eric-hunt-3d-imagery-demonstrates-auschwitz-hole-hoax

    The plan from period when the room was allegedly used as a homicidal gas chamber shows the room had door which swings through both sides and the room was a morgue, when that contradicts the gas chamber story does not mean the plan is mistaken. There is no documentation on conversion to homicidal gas chamber.

    Examination of drawings refutes claims exterminationists make about homicidal gas chambers.

    At Birkenau, Crematoria 4 and 5 had openings in the wall that were used to introduce the Zyklon pellets.

    These windows/apertures, were heavily grilled on the inside and with sealed shutters on the outside.

    Openings are not associated with homicidal gassing. Heavily grilled openings cannot be used to introduce Zyklon B pellets.

    • 回复: @Momus
  391. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    I would have preferred the detailed one, since I do keep raising valid points.

    Civil, calm and composed.

    As expected, re

    I think I recognize your type. Just a feeling.

    So instead we go ad hominem.

    Of course. Always.

    The…ahm…….often starts with civil, calm and composed intellectual exchange. Very intelligent and educated people calmly discussing, even debating, fine points of society, people, stuff like that.

    Finishes with killing fields and camps for organized or chaotic orgy of violence for unorganized executioners (pun intended) of those ideas.

    Rather personal for people waiting for their turn for a bullet, knife, sledgehammer….or plenty of other methods. Burning alive one of them. Say, all community herded into a building and set on fire. Key word “all”.

    Hence, because those things always tend to work both ways, it’s prudent to get similarly personal with those ….intellectuals, even wise men…. chatting the topics over refreshments.
    From cruise missile to more, say, personal, approach.

    The game………

    Would that be entirely unreasonable?

    You mean that keyword “all”?
    All….of…..THEM.

    9/11 was the event that got me questioning everything, and there will be hell to pay if it ever becomes publicly accepted who was behind it. That’s just the tip of the iceberg, of course, and all of those wars of aggression with their millions of casualties need to be answered for too.

    Answered just by “THEM”?
    而且, ALL of THEM?

    Simple question. Could you type yes/no for both/either?

    And, if/when you say “yes” to both, well, what makes them “THEM”, really?
    Say, what would make a 5 year old boy, or a girl, one of “THEM”? Eligible for, say, a “voluntary deportation” to Israel?
    How would you prescribe the “manual”?

    People doing the job would need clear cut instructions. That type of job demands certain types, not quite into intellectual pursuits. They’d need a clear instruction. That’s what intellectuals are for.
    So….what the criteria would be if I may ask?
    A “deportation team leader” would need to be very clear on “this kid stays and this kid goes”.
    你的来电。

    Mr. Hitler and his team had a certain idea about that criteria and did quite a remarkable job in executing (pun intended) that idea. Left a lasting impression.

    那个?

    • 巨魔: Them Guys
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  392. anon111 说:
    @iffen

    Could it happen here? Was there something “wrong,” something unique to the Germans that allowed it to happen?

    could the Holodomor or the Soviet gulags happen here?

    was there something uniquely evil about the (((bolsheviks))) that allowed it to happen?

    tough to say

  393. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    The…ahm…thing….often starts with civil, calm and composed intellectual exchange. Very intelligent and educated people calmly discussing, even debating, fine points of society, people, stuff like that.

    Would you prefer if it wasn’t discussed?

    Hence, because those things always tend to work both ways, it’s prudent to get similarly personal with those ….intellectuals, even wise men…. chatting the topics over refreshments.
    From cruise missile to more, say, personal, approach.

    This is the Jewish way. The other is not to be holocaustworthy in the first place. Of all the hundreds of nationalities on Earth, why are the Jews hated so much? Of all the hundreds of countries on Earth, why is Israel the biggest pariah?

    Instead of forever looking over their shoulder and identifying targets for elimination, wouldn’t it make more sense just to stop being so damned Jewish? Just be normal people for Christ’s sake. If they had truly wanted they could have, at any time, dissolved away their Jewish identity and merged into their host country. But they didn’t, because their egotistic masochistic messianic ego trip of a tribal identity wouldn’t let them.

    So. Fucking. Stupid.

    Answered just by “THEM”?
    And, ALL of THEM?

    Read my post again. ‘Them’ refers to ‘Momus types’, not to their tribe as a whole. 5 year old boys and girls aren’t old enough to be waging war through deception.

    As for the question of the tribe in general, I think it’s a more general question of dual citizenship. If you look at the legal view of dual citizenship around the world, you see that legal views vary considerably from country to country. Some countries allow full rights for citizens with multiple citizenships, while others allow restricted rights, and some expressly prohibit multiple citizenship.

    I would therefore recommend that, in view of the harm caused by citizens with multiple allegiances, countries such as the USA and Europe enact laws prohibiting political involvement and the holding of government posts by such citizens, but allowing full rights in other areas.

    In fact, we could even take the lead from Israel. From wikipedia: “in Israel, members of Parliament must renounce any other citizenship before taking their seat in the Knesset=

    似乎很明智。

    Mr. Hitler and his team had a certain idea about that criteria and did quite a remarkable job in executing (pun intended) that idea. Left a lasting impression.

    It did? It seems to me the lasting impression is an entirely Jewish fabrication with almost no bearing on what the Führer himself got up to.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  394. Momus 说:
    @Bob

    The text in block quotes is mine. There is ample evidence that what was described is fact. Your uninformed opinion is irrelevant.

    Asserting you could not introduce Zyklon pellets into past a heavily grilled window is rubbish. What if there was a 25 mm gap at the bottom or some other feature?

    • 回复: @Bob853
    , @Anonymous
  395. Momus 说:
    @Harbinger

    I wasted a couple of minutes reading that link. It is another crazy man’s opinion.

    There is no evidence of any sort backing it. No aerial photos, diagrams or and links to professional researchers.

    Why post such garbage? Fact is that wall is a Jewish holy site that clearly predates any thing above it.

    • 巨魔: Them Guys
  396. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    Still calm, collected and civil. UNZ can be full of surprises.

    So, either you are a smooth psychopath, or, a genuine concerned citizen in pursuit of solving perceived problems in society.

    Let’s go for the later. Not that I discarded the former, but, let’s keep it in the background for the moment.
    Not many of the later around anyway, especially those willing to learn and keep civil. Especially civil.

    I guess we are making progress.

    ..dissolved away their Jewish identity and merged into their host country.

    我知道了。
    Just Jews. All the rest are O.K.
    I guess the Japanese in pre-WW2 all around Pacific, Hawaii in particular, could’ve done the same.
    Or Germans all over Europe. Especially in the Eastern part.
    来自的家伙
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksdeutsche
    paragraphs 3 and 4.

    On a practical level, though, if your position is simply

    ….not to their tribe as a whole

    特别是

    ….countries such as the USA and Europe enact laws prohibiting political involvement and the holding of government posts by such citizens, but allowing full rights in other areas.

    well, that sounds reasonable.
    We got from “all” to “selected few/whatever”. From Jews to anyone with dual citizenship.
    From genocide of an ethnic group to reasonable, modern, power play.
    不坏。

    That does appear to be a far cry from Mr. Hitler and his team approach to the problem, IHMO.
    所以,为此

    …entirely Jewish fabrication with almost no bearing on what the Führer himself got up to.

    we’ll have to agree to disagree.
    Fabrication and no bearing things.

    As for the man in question, using that title and not the name, you fond of that concept?
    Fuhrer I mean.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  397. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    There is ample evidence that what was described is fact. Your uninformed opinion is irrelevant.

    Asserting you could not introduce Zyklon pellets into past a heavily grilled window is rubbish. What if there was a 25 mm gap at the bottom or some other feature?

    I have addressed your claims and you ignored my refutation, I would say you have no arguments.

    I have just responded to your assertion and because I was correct you made up some “feature”, but it makes no sense anyway. If the windows were crossed with just two iron rods (the simplest form of a grid), it would have been ridiculous to use such opening for introduction of Zyklon B for homicidal gassings since the four openings created by the rods would be smaller than the canister of Zyklon B leaving aside space needed for hand holding the can. The Zyklon B can has diameter of some 15 cm, the shutters had openings of some 20×30 and 15×25 cm, moreover the windows were placed some 1.7-2.1 m from the floor, just raising a hand would be enough to block the window from inside and make introduction impossible. Your alleged homicidal gassing was technically absurd, the windows had no relation to alleged homicidal gassing.

    • 回复: @Momus
  398. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Zyklon B is slow release. Good for fumigation, no good for genocide.

    • 回复: @Momus
  399. Anon[408]• 免责声明 说:

    Hello Momus,
    Why does israel murder Palestinian children?
    You call it “cutting the grass” or ” mowing the lawn”.
    It’s a contravention of the “Social Contract”.
    israel needs to stop torturing and murdering Palestinian children.

  400. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    So, either you are a smooth psychopath, or, a genuine concerned citizen in pursuit of solving perceived problems in society.

    As a general principal, it’s better to work with the latter before it morphs into the former.

    Just Jews. All the rest are O.K.
    I guess the Japanese in pre-WW2 all around Pacific, Hawaii in particular, could’ve done the same.
    Or Germans all over Europe. Especially in the Eastern part.

    It’s the same. They all have dual allegiance. The USA recognized this, as demonstrated by their use of concentration camps.

    Jews, like all foreigners, must either:
    A) Go back to their own country
    B) Marry local and allow their separate identity to evaporate
    C) Accept a reduction of rights and an uncertain future.

    Most ethnicities do not have any great aversion to marrying local, and so we find lots of Japanese descendants in the USA, German descendants around Europe, and lots of European descendants around India and SE Asia. Common sense prevails, and once the foreign ethnicity reaches 25% it’s no longer noticeable.

    The Jews make things difficult for themselves by (ostensibly) considering only maternal lineage. Thus, they make ethnicity a binary construct, which can be carried forward indefinitely with no dilution. This means that even as their original land sank into the sands of time (be it Palestine or Khazaria), they retained a cast iron national identity. Having lost option A, and being too pig headed to accept option B, they instead spent the last 2000 years complaining about having option C forced upon them.

    I can’t even begin to comprehend how people can be so cut off from common sense and common humanity to allow this state of affairs to continue for 2000 years. But then again I’m not Jewish.

    That does appear to be a far cry from Mr. Hitler and his team approach to the problem, IHMO.
    所以,为此

    Germany had been under sustained attack for decades. Hitler was elected precisely because he was a drastic measure for drastic times.

    As for the man in question, using that title and not the name, you fond of that concept?
    Fuhrer I mean.

    I’m fond of him as an event, simply because he was a very genuine expression of German feeling at that time. I respect his sincerity.

    Carl Jung said it best:

    和希特勒在一起,你不会觉得你和男人在一起。 你和一个药师、一种精神容器、一个半神,甚至更好的是一个神话在一起。 面对希特勒,你会害怕。 你知道你永远无法和那个人说话; 因为那里没有人。 他不是一个人,而是一个集体。 他不是个人,而是整个国家。 我认为他没有私人朋友是真的。 你怎么能与一个国家亲密交谈?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  401. Momus 说:
    @Anonymous

    Zyklon B is slow release. Good for fumigation, no good for genocide.

    Again you are poorly informed.

    The dose required to kill mammals, ie people, versus arthropods, is very low and the ability of Zyklon B to evaporate into a gas very high.

    Go here fore a highly detailed, properly attributed and cited treatment of the
    问题:

    http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

    • 回复: @Bob853
  402. Momus 说:
    @Bob853

    I have just responded to your assertion and because I was correct you made up some “feature”, but it makes no sense anyway. If the windows were crossed with just two iron rods (the simplest form of a grid), it would have been ridiculous to use such opening for introduction of Zyklon B for homicidal gassings since the four openings created by the rods would be smaller than the canister of Zyklon B leaving aside space needed for hand holding the can.

    The Nazis mastered rocket science mate.

    I’m dead sure the cunts could make a secure aperture to pour through gas pellets.

  403. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    Again you are poorly informed.

    The dose required to kill mammals, ie people, versus arthropods, is very low and the ability of Zyklon B to evaporate into a gas very high.

    Go here fore a highly detailed, properly attributed and cited treatment of the
    问题:

    http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/

    Go here for debunking

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=2

    The Nazis mastered rocket science mate.

    I’m dead sure the cunts could make a secure aperture to pour through gas pellets.

    Yes, Germans were good in such technical matters, what furthers demonstrates that claimed way of introduction of Zyklon B is just a silly propaganda story.

    • 回复: @Momus
  404. Momus 说:
    @Bob853

    Go here for debunking

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=2

    Ja, been there, have some of the publications. Most of it is cherry picked and uninformed pseudo science.

    Degesh chemists sort out the denier bullshit and Nazis gassed large numbers of innocent people with low doses of insecticide. Fact.

    • 回复: @Bob853
    , @Mulegino1
  405. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    Ja, been there, have some of the publications. Most of it is cherry picked and uninformed pseudo science.

    Degesh chemists sort out the denier bullshit and Nazis gassed large numbers of innocent people with low doses of insecticide. Fact.

    Nope, publication debunking your linked article.

    Do not know what you are talking about. No, it´s just a propaganda story, read above an example, your debunked claims.

    • 回复: @Momus
  406. Momus 说:
    @Bob853

    Nope, publication debunking your linked article.

    Your link went to a coduh page flogging denier articles and publications, not to any rebuttal.

    I’m well aware of your worn out denier/Nazi attempts to obfuscate regarding the cyanide gas chemistry. Any close examination and expert testimony supports the proper Holocaust history.

    • 回复: @Bob853
  407. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    Your link went to a coduh page flogging denier articles and publications, not to any rebuttal.

    I’m well aware of your worn out denier/Nazi attempts to obfuscate regarding the cyanide gas chemistry. Any close examination and expert testimony supports the proper Holocaust history.

    Nope, the link went to a free PDF copy of the book by Germar Rudolf where he debunks also the article you linked to.

    You have no arguments so you do not address refutation of your claims and resort to proclamations devoid of any value.

  408. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    I believe I get your position. Let’s leave it there.

    On a practical level:
    I believe that some people watching this site get your position too.

    So, do you take a very good care about your online 匿名? Now, I believe if “somebody” is really onto you, they’ll get you. Just, at the moment,or this stage, effort/result don’t require it. So, going by the book re online anonymity would be sensible, for you.

    If I were one of “them” (as some people here believe, of course), I feel that my team would definitely want you onto file.
    Not those unbalanced individuals spamming this site with their tirades and their followers, but your types.
    I believe I don’t need to explain why.

    仅仅是一个想法。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  409. @Momus

    You are a walking, talking argument in favor of the Holocaust. And in favor of reviving the Holocaust and finishing the job. When are you relocating to Israel by the way?

    Lucky you that Ron Unz and Paul Gottfried fight a lonely battle to not raise our righteous ire against you swine.

    • 回复: @Momus
  410. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    I believe I get your position. Let’s leave it there.

    Let’s not. I answered your question about the Jewish diaspora and I feel you owe me a proper reply. It’s extremely arrogant to engage someone in a discussion and then consider their replies only as part of a superficial psychoanalysis.

    How do you feel about my views on multiple citizenship and their applicability to the Jewish diaspora? I’m curious how far you can extend your apparent reasonableness into this uncomfortable topic.

    The rest of your post just seems to be a general ‘run while you still can’.

    I don’t know, peterAUS. You do your best to come across as a neutral observer, even laughing at both sides and professing doubts about the official holocaust story. Unfortunately, it only seems to go skin deep and your deeper feelings seem to be quite Zionist. I don’t think you’re one of the tribe, nor do I think you’re affiliated. I think that you’re simply an intellectually adventurous individual who is way too deeply embedded in his comfort zone to consider taking any real risk. Assuming ‘AUS’ is your nationality, then I’d say that’s pretty typical. Australians used be young and free, now they all are ostriches. So grow some balls and pull your head out of the sand!

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  411. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    How do you feel about my views on multiple citizenship and their applicability to the Jewish diaspora?

    The same as I feel about multiple citizenship and their applicability to anyone.

    I think that you’re simply an intellectually adventurous individual who is way too deeply embedded in his comfort zone to consider taking any real risk.

    The former is sort of correct, but the later is, say, off the mark. But, then, that’s what I’d say, wouldn’t it?

    Now, tell me/us here, 为什么 would I want to take any real risk?

    Not just “what’s there for me”, but, what’s the goal?

    Why the risk, effort, spending time, energy, money, any resource in fact?
    I could spend all that to teach some people I care for some things I am good at.
    Or…whatever.
    Or simply to walk along a beach, sip coffee and contemplate meaning of life, and similar topics. Fish too.
    Plenty of things I can think of.

    You must’ve thought all that through. I guess.

    那是什么 目标 ?
    什么是 计划 ?

    I’ll use an analogy from military:
    METT-T
    What’s the mission?
    谁是敌人?
    Who are the own troops? I’d suggest spending some effort in figuring out this element well. Quantity and especially quality there.
    What’s the time frame to achieve the objective/mission? 5 years, 50…500? Thinking about that, took a lot of time for “them” to get what they want.

    Based on above, what would be your overall intention, a general idea how to achieve that ?
    I’ll try to help: “educate masses”; “get involved in organized politics”; “an armed insurrection”; “wait for economic collapse”…etc….
    And, well, just very briefly…what’s the plan? Any project management approach would work here, no need to invoke soldier’s methodology.
    “Educate masses”, for example, Web presence, written materials, speeches in community etc.
    “Get invol…”….create/join a political party.
    “An arm….”….hehe….let’s leave that out of here. Or anywhere, actually.
    “Wait for..”….etc….

    你的来电。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  412. Momus 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Lucky me that Unzie provides light and a viewing window into the denier Nazi community of benthic crustaceans, coprophagic worms and sulphurous bacteria.

    No chance of an Aryan lead second Shoah.

    The guilty krauts are still paying reparations and due to hand over the 5th or sixth billion dollar Dolphin underwater launch nuke ICBM sub to Israel.
    Islamic Nazis have had a go. The bearded morons have managed a self inflicted Holocaust on themselves: for 70 years.

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
  413. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    The same as I feel about multiple citizenship and their applicability to anyone.

    That’s unclear. The question is:

    Do you feel that multiple citizenship laws should consider Jewishness to be a nationality and therefore effectively a second citizenship?

    Now, tell me/us here, why would I want to take any real risk?

    Because speaking truth is a virtue, and virtuous acts elevate the individual and the world. There’s no life without risk.

    Or simply to walk along a beach, sip coffee and contemplate meaning of life, and similar topics. Fish too.

    Yes, you could take it easy and do nothing. The danger is that this attitude may pervade other areas of life. It’s very easy to grow old without ever having lived.

    You must’ve thought all that through. I guess.

    Not really. I do what I do. I do what feels right. Today, it may be posting on UR. Tomorrow it may be something else. I enjoy the discussions here because I learn a lot, because we get to discuss intensely interesting topics, and because exchanges help me develop my opinions. Although I was ‘red pilled’ long before reaching UR, reading and contributing to discussions here has seriously helped flesh out my worldview and also allowed me to see layers of complexity that I was previously unaware of.

    What’s the time frame to achieve the objective/mission? 5 years, 50…500? Thinking about that, took a lot of time for “them” to get what they want.

    Based on above, what would be your overall intention, a general idea how to achieve that ?

    Time is only relevant when a process is linear. A process only becomes linear when a clear route to victory is visible. At this stage, I can see no clear route and so it makes no sense to formulate concrete plans.

    Time is a funny thing, and is itself quite nonlinear. Certain time periods contain nothing of note, while others are charged with immense potential. Remember that although the Momus’s may sit smugly at the moment, they came perilously close to losing it all less than a century ago. That movement was entirely unforeseen, both in direction and in magnitude. We may all once again be caught off guard by a movement that comes from nowhere.

    Assuming you’re Australian, you must have been surfing? Tell me, what is the best thing to do when no waves are coming in? You wait. You watch. You think. You feel. When the swell starts coming, you’re in tune with it already. You know to wait for the big one, and you know exactly where to be and when to start paddling with all you’ve got. If your efforts pay off, the energy of the wave will carry you all the way to victory.

    So for now, let’s just wait, watch, think, and feel.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  414. Anon[379]• 免责声明 说:

    denier Nazi community of benthic crustaceans

    You sound delusional, and may need psychiatric help and medication.
    Do you have feelings for your mother? Have you ever wanted to kill your father?
    Freud’s theories on mentally ill people may be the salve that papers over your dysfunctional mental state.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  415. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    It’s funny how Freud was Jewish and saw all human beings as fundamentally sick.

    For a much more human approach, please disregard Freud and go straight to his protege – Carl Gustav Jung.

  416. @Momus

    I’m not a denier. That’s left to mentally ill cranks like Wally.

    You clearly don’t feel safe. There’s a good reason why.

    你懂的。

    You’re one of the most unpleasant, unlikeable persons I’ve ever encountered. Are you typical of your community?

    When are you relocating to Israel by the way?

  417. Mulegino1 说:
    @Momus

    The Germans had state of the art fumigation technology at their disposal- and they used it in the delousing chambers at many camps. The delousing chambers had automatic canister openers, hot air blowers, and powerful circulation and extraction fans- all designed to carry out the fumigation in a timely and efficient manner, geared to the precise technical specifications for the use of Zyklon-B. It stands to reason that if Zyklon-B was going to be their primary murder weapon in the alleged “homicidal gas chambers”, they would have used it according to such specifications.

    The idea that the Germans would have knocked holes in the roof of underground, unheated morgues and emptied the canisters in piles (through wire so called “Kula columns”) onto the cement floor is utterly ridiculous; either the pellets would not have released the poison gas at all or would have done so at an incredibly slow pace. The instructions for the use of Zyklon-B indicate that the pellets must be spread in thin layers over the floor area of the building to be fumigated, not dumped in bunches.

    The delousing chambers (which still stand today) have visible traces – via the blue staining of the brickwork which occurred when the Hydrogen Cyanide bonded with the iron in the brickwork- Iron Cyanide traces- sometimes in the 13,000 ppm range, whereas there are no traces in the brickwork of the morgues which were alleged to have been the “homicidal gas chambers.”

    It is quite clear that the “gas chamber” legend was a hybrid of Soviet and Polish Underground propaganda and collective Jewish paranoia. No such things existed. Had the Germans really wanted to murder all of the Jews of Europe, they would not have resorted to such logistically impossible and technically absurd methods as using a commercial pesticide designed for slow and safe fumigation. In all likelihood they would have used the highly economic and efficient NKVD method employed at Katyn- a pistol bullet to the back of the head.

  418. Momus 说:
    @Mulegino1

    The Germans had state of the art fumigation technology at their disposal- and they used it in the delousing chambers at many camps. The delousing chambers had automatic canister openers, hot air blowers, and powerful circulation and extraction fans- all designed to carry out the fumigation in a timely and efficient manner, geared to the precise technical specifications for the use of Zyklon-B. It stands to reason that if Zyklon-B was going to be their primary murder weapon in the alleged “homicidal gas chambers”, they would have used it according to such specifications.

    I’m well aware of the equipment used for delousing clothing. The existence of that in no way precludes Zyklon B gassing of Auschwitz Jews.
    HCN is much more effective on warm-blooded animals, including humans, than it is on insects. The exposure period (to HCN) is much greater in delousing operations than in homicidal gassings. This means that a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people than to get rid of lice, etc. In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so.

    From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz (Klee, 255):
    At another, later gassing — also in autumn 1941 — Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B — as already mentioned — was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in.
    They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

    The idea that the Germans would have knocked holes in the roof of underground, unheated morgues and emptied the canisters in piles (through wire so called “Kula columns”) onto the cement floor is utterly ridiculous; either the pellets would not have released the poison gas at all or would have done so at an incredibly slow pace. The instructions for the use of Zyklon-B indicate that the pellets must be spread in thin layers over the floor area of the building to be fumigated, not dumped in bunches.

    This is indeed what happened. Your denier explanation relies on most people having no knowledge about the chemistry of Zyklon hydrocyanic gassing. It is a high vapour pressure gas so evaporates and disperses in the air very rapidly and increasingly so in warm conditions. Several hundred people in a killing chamber raised the temperature close to that of the human body. Your Kula columns were a very effective and cheap way to create and disperse the gas.

    The delousing chambers (which still stand today) have visible traces – via the blue staining of the brickwork which occurred when the Hydrogen Cyanide bonded with the iron in the brickwork- Iron Cyanide traces- sometimes in the 13,000 ppm range, whereas there are no traces in the brickwork of the morgues which were alleged to have been the “homicidal gas chambers.”

    If in fact the ‘blue staining’ is indeed the residue rather than a blue pigment. This very easily explained by the relatively very low concentration of the gas, and short exposure times used to murder humans, versus the sustained high temperature high concentrations required to kill louse and Typhus.

    It is quite clear that the “gas chamber” legend was a hybrid of Soviet and Polish Underground propaganda and collective Jewish paranoia. No such things existed. Had the Germans really wanted to murder all of the Jews of Europe, they would not have resorted to such logistically impossible and technically absurd methods as using a commercial pesticide designed for slow and safe fumigation. In all likelihood they would have used the highly economic and efficient NKVD method employed at Katyn- a pistol bullet to the back of the head.

    There is a mountain of physical evidence and testimony (and a couple of death sentences for ZyklonB manufacturer Tesch executives) supporting the Jew killing gas chambers at Auschwitz; there is no reason for doubt that they were built and used. The number of Jews killed is another matter. I don’t subscribe to numbers bandied about, and do agree a small calibre bullet to the neck was probably quite common.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
    , @Bob853
    , @Anon
  419. Mulegino1 说:
    @Momus

    This is indeed what happened. Your denier explanation relies on most people having no knowledge about the chemistry of Zyklon hydrocyanic gassing. It is a high vapour pressure gas so evaporates and disperses in the air very rapidly and increasingly so in warm conditions. Several hundred people in a killing chamber raised the temperature close to that of the human body. Your Kula columns were a very effective and cheap way to create and disperse the gas.

    There is no such thing as a “denier explanation.” There is, on the other hand, the technical manual for the use of Zyklon-B, and no, the presence of “hundreds of people” would not have caused all of the gas in the hundreds of pellets to start evaporating if they were dropped in a bunch on the floor. This is exactly the 相反 of what would have happened. It is more than likely that 没有 of the gas in any of the pellets would have started to evaporate quickly. Zyklon-B was not designed to have its active ingredient, i.e., Hydrocyanic acid, evaporate quickly, but slowly for the sake of safe fumigation over a 24 hour period. Pellets in bunches dropped through makeshift holes (for which there is no evidence) would not have worked, because the Zyklon-B pellets were not designed to be used in such a fashion.

    I

    f in fact the ‘blue staining’ is indeed the residue rather than a blue pigment. This very easily explained by the relatively very low concentration of the gas, and short exposure times used to murder humans, versus the sustained high temperature high concentrations required to kill louse and Typhus.

    Also, the idea that “Zyklon-B was more effective on warm blooded animals” is of no consequence. Once a canister was opened, its entire contents had to be emptied into the chamber, and would have continued outgassing for hours. The Prussian blue staining, caused by the formation of iron cyanide, ought to have been much greater in the so called “homicidal” gas chambers than in the delousing chambers. Yet there are no traces of it- none.

    Of course, the strongest case against the mass gassings is the logistical bottlenecks involved in a single mass gassing. Most of the so called “eyewitness” testimonies speak of 数千

    of victims at a time, not a mere 200 or 300. It would have taken days to remove the 2000 or so bodies from the chamber through the narrow door, lift them up the crematoria on the single hand powered elevator and complete the cremations.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
    , @Momus
  420. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    I’m well aware of the equipment used for delousing clothing. The existence of that in no way precludes Zyklon B gassing of Auschwitz Jews.
    HCN is much more effective on warm-blooded animals, including humans, than it is on insects. The exposure period (to HCN) is much greater in delousing operations than in homicidal gassings. This means that a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people than to get rid of lice, etc. In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so.

    From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz (Klee, 255):
    At another, later gassing — also in autumn 1941 — Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B — as already mentioned — was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in.
    They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.

    If in fact the ‘blue staining’ is indeed the residue rather than a blue pigment. This very easily explained by the relatively very low concentration of the gas, and short exposure times used to murder humans, versus the sustained high temperature high concentrations required to kill louse and Typhus.

    This copy paste from Nizkor has been debunked. The reason why delousing needs hours is to ensure that every louse, every larvae, every egg in every corner of the room and folds of the clothes will be killed. 300 ppm is a safety limit not based on experimental data and is logically put very low, the fact is that the only experimental data in this regard come from gas chambers for capital punishment in USA. Concentrations similar to delousing concentrations are used and it takes over 10 minutes to kill human with such concentration which is present in the chamber from the beginning after rapid evaporation contrary to Zyklon B which releases gas slowly.

    Hans Stark is typical unreliable testimony – he speaks of two openings with a diameter of 36 cm while today botched reconstruction shows four square openings. He speaks of one door while the room had two doors. His claims contradict claims of other so called eyewitnesses like Perry Broad who instead speaks of six openings 10 x 10 cm. For more read pp. 62ff. of the book.

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/21-aci.pdf

    This is indeed what happened. Your denier explanation relies on most people having no knowledge about the chemistry of Zyklon hydrocyanic gassing. It is a high vapour pressure gas so evaporates and disperses in the air very rapidly and increasingly so in warm conditions. Several hundred people in a killing chamber raised the temperature close to that of the human body. Your Kula columns were a very effective and cheap way to create and disperse the gas.

    Nope, it didn ´t happen. The gas cannot rapidly disperse when the pellets are dumped inside column´s third part placed at the top of alleged column (HCN is lighter than air!) its dense mesh act as an obstacle and in the room with tightly packed people (so more obstacles) where very high humidity causes condensation of water on the Zyklon B pellets what prevents proper evaporation. So called Kula columns are nothing but technical absurdity as they do not contribute to rapid dispersion of the gas but do the very opposite as should be clear to everyone since the parts of the columns act as an obstacle. In the case of fumigation, that would be like placing pellets inside some basket and hang it at the ceiling inside some cage with dense mesh, makes no sense at all and only a deluded person would consider such approach as favorable for rapid distribution of the gas. There is no physical evidence such columns ever existed and so called Zyklon B openings are missing in the still existing roof. Witnesses contradicts each other, they speak of columns, spiral device, basket, tubes, cyanide bombs, do not mention a device or speaks of Zyklon B laying on the floor or even speak of gas/Zyklon B coming from shower heads which was a popular propaganda meme in the evolution of the gas chamber story.

    There is a mountain of physical evidence and testimony (and a couple of death sentences for ZyklonB manufacturer Tesch executives) supporting the Jew killing gas chambers at Auschwitz; there is no reason for doubt that they were built and used. The number of Jews killed is another matter. I don’t subscribe to numbers bandied about, and do agree a small calibre bullet to the neck was probably quite common.

    There is no physical evidence proving homicidal gassing, the physical evidence demonstrates that “eyewitnesses”, the only evidence exterminationists are relying on, are lying.

    • 回复: @Them Guys
    , @Momus
  421. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    You must’ve thought all that through. I guess.

    不是真的

    Try, one day. Just as a mental exercise. Could help with

    …..because I learn a lot…..

    至于:

    At this stage, I can see no clear route and so it makes no sense to formulate concrete plans.

    We may all once again be caught off guard by a movement that comes from nowhere.

    So for now, let’s just wait, watch, think, and feel.

    同意。
    Walk along a beach/fishing is good for that. Coffee or no coffee.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  422. Them Guys 说:
    @Mulegino1

    I lost a good quote I had in my old computer. It was from some euro newspaper, Poland I think or France newspaper maybe. The actual quoted statement was shown to be from the Polish Resistance Underground, around 1941 or so, What it stated, paraphrased here, basically said that.

    “The SS Nazis invented an additional ingredient they then added to Zyklon-B, it was a chemical that caused gassed jews to Remain Alive, for Ten Minuets after being gassed, and also to cause those gassed to act as if in a type of Zombie State so that instead of needing to remove dead bodies from the gas chamber, the gassed jews would simply Slowly walk as if in a Trance like a zombie over to where a ditch grave was prepared. This new chemical additive was so Precisely made it lasted exactly long enough so the zombified gassed jews would walk slowly right to very edge of ditch, then Die and Fall into the ditch grave!”

    So now we have yet another jewish fable eh. Zombie additive added to Zyklon-B gas allowed jews to remain alive exactly 10 minuets precisely, and do the famous slow zombie like walk straight to ditch, then Die and fall into ditch!!!

    Jews like momus are infatuated with Two key components…#1 spewing The big Hoax lies…and #2 ever notice how most every jew comedy act and every tv sit com comedy show, has a huge majority of the funny laugh punch lines, and even every other word in each scripted sentence a jew sit com actor speaks are totally filled with mainly, Piss+shit+fags+dykes+various other perverted facinations jews have with filthy speak. Fag sex, piss,dyke shit piss piss dyke fag shit etc etc.

    What a reviling messed up tribe of fanatical fable tellers no.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
    , @Momus
  423. Them Guys 说:
    @Bob853

    The Only gassing details I remember being told since a small kid 40-50 yrs ago was the one of jews being so happy to finally get chance to take a warm water shower to get clean…Then to jews shock, when they looked up at shower heads up above jews heads, instead of water it was Gaaaaassssss that hissed out in force until every jew was dead in about 2-3 min. tops…..Then the avg of 2,000 to 2,500 dead jews were fast dragged out and next group of 2,000 to 2,500 jews hustled into showers, over and over 24/7…….All in a Room the size of a typical 24ft X 24ft Two car Garage!!

    My garage is two and a half car size and if you can stuff that many bodies into it?….I got a cash bet it cannot be done period, it is what, 4-5 persons per Sq. Ft. Space.

    If its remotely possible than maybe when african negroes head back to their HQ in Africa, they too can stuff a few jews into their suitcases and take with to Africa eh.

    ps: remember the german ss Nazis were so efficient, and in such a huge hurry to gas every jew, that them Nazi experts first gave out six million Haircuts! Plus gave jews six million matching stripped PJ’s outfits to wear while being killed! Total jewdeo zio nonsense.

  424. @Anonymous

    David Irving claims that there is evidence that 1.24M Jews were exterminated at Riga and their valuables looted by the SS.

    Some of this is discussed in _Hitlers War_ at page 481 (PDF page number) and on in this version:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf.

    However, the claim for 1.24M at Riga was made in one of his videos, possibly this one, but I am not sure:

    Note, there is a scary youtube thing at the front designed to prevent you from viewing it.

  425. Why would the Germans use Zyklon-B to ‘gas’ the Jews when they already had invented Sarin several years before the war?

  426. Irving has this to say in the introduction to _Hitler’s War_:

    nothing created such agony when this biography was first published as my analysis of Hitler’s role in the Jewish tragedy. Pure vitriol spilled from the pens of my critics, but I see no reason to revise my central hypothesis, which is based on the records of the day: that Hitler grasped quite early on that antisemitism would be a powerful vote catching force in Germany; that he had no compunction against riding that evil steed right up to the portals of the chancellery in 1933; but that once inside and in power, he dismounted and paid only lip service to that part of his Party creed.

    然而,即使希特勒有不同的指示,例如 1938 年 XNUMX 月,在他手下的纳粹匪徒仍然骑着猎犬。

    As for the concentration camps he comfortably left that dark side of the Nazi rule to Himmler. He never visited one;

    Page 26 (PDF) of http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf

  427. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Would you kindly answer the question?

    Do you feel that multiple citizenship laws should consider Jewishness to be a nationality and therefore effectively a second citizenship?

    As for the rest, you really do seem like quite a vacuous person. You presume to condescend to me, yet you have nothing to offer.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  428. Mulegino1 说:
    @Them Guys

    Talmudists have a fascination with scatology. Almost every Holohoax movie involves someone hiding out in a latrine. Then there is the diamond lady Zisblatt who supposedly swallowed and re-swallowed her diamonds after picking them out of her own excrement. This is supposed to have gone on for years.

  429. peterAUS 说:
    @Anonymous

    Would you kindly answer the question?

    没有

    As for the rest, you really do seem like quite a vacuous person.

    I am sure that most of people reading this agree with you.

    A couple, though, could get an impression that I also seem to be a person with real life experience in social upheavals, regime changes and similar stuff. From both sides of the barrel.

    You presume to condescend to me, yet you have nothing to offer.

    最有可能的。
    But, I guess a couple of guys reading our…ahm…discussion could get something from it, though. Just a couple.Could.
    这就是所有重要的事情。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  430. @Mulegino1

    There’s also the long-running claim that Hitler was a coprophile. It apparently originated with the OSS, but the usual suspects have run with it, in a show of pure projection.

  431. Momus 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Of course, the strongest case against the mass gassings is the logistical bottlenecks involved in a single mass gassing. Most of the so called “eyewitness” testimonies speak of thousands

    of victims at a time, not a mere 200 or 300. It would have taken days to remove the 2000 or so bodies from the chamber through the narrow door, lift them up the crematoria on the single hand powered elevator and complete the cremations.

    I agree that the logistics were considerable and that is why I do not deal in hard numbers. Mind you these murder facilities may have had hundreds of slaves working them.

    There are plenty of photos of dead people stacked in makeshift morgues adjacent to crematoriums.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  432. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Mulegino1

    I think it reflects a general desire to desecrate everything, to bring it down to their level.

    Zisblatt was amazing. I’m sure it’s a complete fabrication, but why would anyone proudly fabricate a story revolving around them fingering through their own shit and re-eating the hard bits? Assuming she did this at least once every 2 days ‘for years’, then we’re talking about, maybe, 500 shit eating sessions?

  433. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Would you kindly answer the question?

    没有

    What a weasel.

    A couple, though, could get an impression that I also seem to be a person with real life experience in social upheavals, regime changes and similar stuff. From both sides of the barrel.

    A person with real life experience would come across a lot more solid than yourself.

    最有可能的。
    But, I guess a couple of guys reading our…ahm…discussion could get something from it, though. Just a couple.Could.
    这就是所有重要的事情。

    Sure, why not? Just because you’re invertebrate doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

  434. Momus 说:
    @Them Guys

    Piss+shit+fags+dykes+various other perverted facinations jews have with filthy speak. Fag sex, piss,dyke shit piss piss dyke fag shit etc etc.

    Jezzus, you have to evict them joos living free in your head. Their piss and shit is dribbling from the corners of your mouth.

  435. Anon[421]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    ’Im well aware of the equipment used for delousing clothing. The existence of that in no way precludes Zyklon B gassing of Auschwitz Jews

    .
    Hello Momus,
    I’m understanding what you’re saying, 但是 we need to be clear that Auschwitz was in fact a place for rest and recreation, similar to British holiday camps like Butlins.
    Auschwitz had a swimming pool, doctors and dental, an orchestra, movie nights, a 妓院 还有更多。
    他们有 最好的. You need to build a bridge and get over it. 🙂

  436. Momus 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    There’s also the long-running claim that Hitler was a coprophile.

    In the end he was a coprophagous, and Stalin provided the meal.

  437. Momus 说:
    @Bob853

    There is no physical evidence proving homicidal gassing, the physical evidence demonstrates that “eyewitnesses”, the only evidence exterminationists are relying on, are lying.

    Pseudo engineers, fake chemists, bogus architects and photograph manipulators, jailed deniers and their urgers have all come up empty handed in the important analysis.

    The bottom line is that the veracity of the evidence about the gassing chambers was accepted at Nuremberg and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Nazi brutes went to the gallows or to prison.

  438. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    The bottom line is that the veracity of the evidence about the gassing chambers was accepted at Nuremberg

    So a court established for a single political purpose succeeded in carrying out it’s job? Amazing.

    including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion

    Because education is centrally controlled, because media is centrally controlled, and because dissenters are routinely incarcerated.

    many guilty Nazi brutes went to the gallows or to prison.

    Yup, even a 96 year old gentleman who spent the last 70 years living quietly and causing no trouble for anyone, and who probably didn’t even do much at the time. Such is the wrath of the Jews.

  439. Mulegino1 说:
    @Momus

    They crematoriums probably did have many workers in them, but the number of workers would make little difference, seeing as there was only one door, one hand powered elevator and a limited number of crematory retorts with a one hour per body capacity and need for periodic cooling and maintenance. In other words, the crematory retorts or muffles could not have been kept hot continuously, because they would be destroyed within a few days or so if this were the case. Remember that even when the body is cremated, the retort has to cool down sufficiently for the remains to be recovered.

    There are plenty of photos of dead people stacked in makeshift morgues adjacent to crematoriums.

    Indeed, but this is what one would expect to have happened during the typhus epidemics. The morgues were probably at capacity and there would be nowhere else to put the bodies.

    • 回复: @Momus
  440. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    There are plenty of photos of dead people stacked in makeshift morgues adjacent to crematoriums.

    Kindly link to those alleged photos.

    Pseudo engineers, fake chemists, bogus architects and photograph manipulators, jailed deniers and their urgers have all come up empty handed in the important analysis.

    Proclamation and ad hominem devoid of any value.

    The bottom line is that the veracity of the evidence about the gassing chambers was accepted at Nuremberg and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Nazi brutes went to the gallows or to prison.

    That´irrelevant appeal to authority, what the court is saying bears no relevance to what is the reality. Thanks to articles 19 and 21 of the Nuremberg constitution they could accept any rubbish they wanted ignoring standard procedures applied in non biased and independent court:

    Article 19: The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.

    Article 21: The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.

    司法通知和常识的意思是,人们之间流传了足够长的时间成为常识的一切都可以被接受为事实,而无需证明这一点,就像巫术在过去是一种常识,因此根据这种愚蠢的做法是真实的。 根据虚假/遗漏的证据将人杀害是犯罪。 公众认为与现实和证据无关。 所谓的证据毫无挑战地被接受,充分说明了这种审判的显示性质。

    Will you ever respond to refutation of your claims or will you always write just another logical fallacies and proclamations which are devoid of any value?

    • 同意: Them Guys
  441. @Momus

    The bottom line is that the veracity of the evidence about the gassing chambers was accepted at Nuremberg and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Nazi brutes went to the gallows or to prison.

    And, yet, strangely, even after Rudolf Höss ‘confessed’ to murdering 2.5M Jews and possibly up to 500,000 others, and two slightly different confessions were recorded, in 1994 the New York Times quietly reported that the plaque at Auschwitz said up to 1.5M were killed, and more modern estimates are lower than 1M.

    The court of public opinion is not a place to find the truth.

    • 回复: @Momus
  442. @Beefcake the Mighty

    The British in WWI spread rumors that the Germans were rendering their own copses to make soap.

    The same claims were spread in relation to WWII and the concentration camps.

    They have been debunked.

  443. peterAUS 说:
    @Momus

    ….the evidence about the gassing chambers was accepted at Nuremberg and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Nazi brutes went to the gallows or to prison.

    对。

    Or
    ……the evidence about the killing fields was accepted at Hague and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Serb brutes went to the prison.

    Or
    …the evidence about the genocide was accepted at Security Council and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Yugoslav brutes, and civilians, children included, went to their death.

    Or
    …the evidence about the WMD was accepted at Security Council and everywhere else without challenge, including, overwhelmingly in the court of public opinion, and many guilty Iraqi brutes, and civilians, children included, went to their death.

    Or……..
    Vae victis。

    The only what matters.

  444. @Mulegino1

    My general impression is that Jews have a far lower disgust threshold than we do.

    Momus’ weird obsession with coprophagia being a case in point.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  445. @Mulegino1

    While it seems that the Gas Chamber of Sherlock Holmes did not exist, there is good evidence that the SS killed some 1.24M Jews at Riga and looted their valuables.

    It is not clear that Hitler was aware of that activity, however.

    Irving discusses some of the details in Hitlers War and give the number in one of his videos up on YouTube.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  446. @Peripatetic commenter

    “SS killed some 1.24M Jews at Riga”

    I’ve never heard this claim; do you perhaps mean the AR camps in Poland (not Latvia), through which we know (as per Hoefle) that about 1.3M Jews were shuttled (and their property seized)? Irving subscribes to “Holocaust Lite”, where he doubts the claims about Auschwitz but accepts those about Treblinka et al. Is this what you mean?

    If so, it is true we don’t know what happened to those Jews, but there is absolutely no evidence that they were gassed, buried, disinterred, and burned on open-air pyres.

  447. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I may have conflated two things.

    在这个视频里:

    Irving claims, I believe, that 1.24M jews were executed in Eastern Europe (perhaps in Eastern Poland) and their valuables looted.

    (at the 18:17 mark he claims the Polish authorities claimed that up to 300,000 people of all nationalities died at Auschwitz.)

    (at the 21:03 mark he points out that gassing did occur at Auschwitz in two small buildings–the red and white houses)

    (at the 23:39 mark he talks about Eastern Poland–the Bug River camps etc–where 1.24M Jews were executed etc.)

    In Hitlers War, pages 481 (pdf) (Liquidation of Jews at Kiev) and page 488 (pdf) (Liquidation of Jews in Riga etc) in http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf.

  448. Bob853 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “SS killed some 1.24M Jews at Riga”

    I’ve never heard this claim; do you perhaps mean the AR camps in Poland (not Latvia), through which we know (as per Hoefle) that about 1.3M Jews were shuttled (and their property seized)? Irving subscribes to “Holocaust Lite”, where he doubts the claims about Auschwitz but accepts those about Treblinka et al. Is this what you mean?

    If so, it is true we don’t know what happened to those Jews, but there is absolutely no evidence that they were gassed, buried, disinterred, and burned on open-air pyres.

    I´ve never heard of it either.

    The Jews Hofle wrote about were transported through the camps to the Russian East as is written in the Korherr report, that means they were not murdered in those camps as is claimed, but passed through the camps and went further to the Russian East.

  449. Momus 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    in 1994 the New York Times quietly reported that the plaque at Auschwitz said up to 1.5M were killed, and more modern estimates are lower than 1M.

    A plaque is evidence of..a plaque.

    I don’t deal with the numbers of dead, imprisoned, disappeared or other wise claimed.

    I do know that there is an avalanche of proven evidence to show that Hitler’s Nazis established the ideological and practical mechanism to imprison, enslave, murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

    They also co-opted a large proportion of the German population as their accomplices.

  450. @Momus

    “I don’t deal with the numbers of dead, imprisoned, disappeared or other wise claimed.”

    Agreed, you deal with complete fantasy.

  451. @Momus

    I do know that there is an avalanche of proven evidence to show that Hitler’s Nazis established the ideological and practical mechanism to imprison, enslave, murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

    How good is that evidence?

    Was it restricted to only the Jews?

    Did they develop the original concentration camp mechanism?

    Why would they focus only on the Jews? Because Germans are evil?

    You raise lots of questions that it would be good to get answers for.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Momus
  452. Mulegino1 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    A lot of their obsession with excrement and bodily functions comes from their Talmudic upbringing. The Talmud represents the utter antithesis of truth, the replacement of spirit with the letter and the preference for the ugly over the beautiful and the darkness over light. It is not surprising that those who are seeped in would fall prey to the lowest of tastes and the most perverse of thoughts, words and actions.

    Ever notice all of the claims of hiding in latrines or cesspools in so called “survivor” literature? Then there was the guy who claimed that he and his friend used their feces to harden up some rags and force a train window open. And of course, there is the diamond lady Zisblatt.

    I think that the Jew psychologist who made up the reports about Hitler being a coprophile was simply projecting his own fantasies upon the Fuehrer.

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
  453. @Mulegino1

    How many Jews have a Talmudic upbringing at all?

    I grew up in the elite and thus knew many Jews as a child. Most were Reform Jews and went to Temple out of social obligation. I doubt any had ever read the Talmud.

    We have “Momus” and “Andrew E. Mathis” here representing the Tribe if they want to chime in with their own experiences. They seem to be a lot more interested in the Holocaust than the Talmud.

    Oddly, our benevolent overlord Ron Unz may have read the Talmud. This 1998 article from TIME states Unz grew up in a Yiddish-speaking household: http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/01/time/prop.277.html

    Presumably a household that still spoke Yiddish in the second half of the 20th century was also religously observant.

    • 回复: @Mulegino1
  454. peterAUS 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    How good is that evidence?

    For majority of people quite good.
    For minority not quite good.
    For a very, very tiny minority it will never be good. The majority of posters here.

    Was it restricted to only the Jews?

    不,那不是。

    Did they develop the original concentration camp mechanism?

    不他们没有。

    Why would they focus only on the Jews? Because Germans are evil?

    They did not focus only on Jews. And Germans aren’t evil.

    You raise lots of questions that it would be good to get answers for.

    我已经做了。
    Of course it doesn’t matter. Just to know that there are people who don’t buy the official story but still buy its core issue.
    Because I agree with Momus here:

    …..Hitler’s Nazis established the ideological and practical mechanism to imprison, enslave, murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

    Now, I know we could spend months ..ahm…”debating” all that. I’ll pass.

    I’ve come to conclusion that, as mentioned before, there is something….peculiar…in both sides of this issue, on some psychological level.
    Ever thought about that? You know, a bit of introspection, core motives and similar stuff.
    双方。 以上皆是.

    So, most people just tend to leave you guys having fun and focus on something else.

    • 回复: @Peripatetic commenter
  455. Mulegino1 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Probably a fraction of Jews have ever read the Talmud, but most Rabbis have. A “Talmudic upbringing” is not the same as familiarity with the actual Rabbinical work itself, but the product of a long line of folkways and culture influenced by Rabbinism or Talmudism, completely void of any conscious religious intent.

    The Holocaust hoax is perfectly constructed as a kind of secular Talmudism, as it still, at its heart, bears the same strain of Jewish supremacy, Talmudic casuistry (transposed to the secular realm) and collective paranoia and hatred- deep in the lower strata of the Jewish conscious or subconscious directed at the goyim.

    Those Jews who have won the battle over the latter tendencies and renounced the nastiest elements of this collective narcissism make, for the most part, fine citizens and neighbors, but to do so amounts to the renunciation of Jewish identity’s central core.

  456. @peterAUS

    How good is that evidence?

    For majority of people quite good.

    It is pretty clear that the majority of the people in the world think the world is flat. In addition, as Ron Unz has pointed out quite a lot, you need to be very wary of what the Mainstream Pravda is telling you.

    Why would they focus only on the Jews? Because Germans are evil?

    They did not focus only on Jews. And Germans aren’t evil.

    和...

    …..Hitler’s Nazis established the ideological and practical mechanism to imprison, enslave, murder and attempt to exterminate European Jewry.

    It seems you only care about the Jews.

    I have a lot of experience with another market dominant minority. They have experienced race riots in places like Indonesia. They typically refuse to integrate and run their own schools etc.

    While I am very friendly with certain members of that race, the fact that they refuse to integrate certainly pisses off the locals where they live and along with the fact that tend to exploit the locals economically and their extreme ethnic nepotosm goes a long way towards explaining the animus towards them from the locals. Just sayin’

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Anonymous
  457. peterAUS 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    It seems you only care about the Jews.

    Hahaha………..just funny.
    You got me. Have no comeback to that.
    裂了。

    Interesting you mentioned Chinese in Indonesia.
    Let me guess: you’d want them to become good Muslims?
    Nice…………………………………………….

    Naturally, should they feel disinclined to do so, for some reason, riots and even organized state (re)action are quite O.K.?

    有趣。

    On a serious note we know how the world works.

    The red line on Holocaust (TM?) is simple: “they” know that should they concede just one inch there it will slide kilometers into something they got not so long ago.

    True, some of people challenging those laws are simply there for intellectual freedom. Tiny number. My types, I guess, for example (or so I say).

    其余的不是。

    The mix ranging from those wanting to challenge the current power structure in West to mentally unbalanced individuals. And, the most important, an angry mass which does not think, just feel and act. People wanting a scapegoat for their plight.
    As people stirring all over Western countries as we speak fed with this neo-liberal scam.

    Jews experienced trauma which can’t be forgotten so easily. They react on it as anybody would.
    If just a tiny possibility exists they could have that experience repeated they’ll 战斗. As they do.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  458. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    While I am very friendly with certain members of that race, the fact that they refuse to integrate certainly pisses off the locals where they live and along with the fact that tend to exploit the locals economically and their extreme ethnic nepotosm goes a long way towards explaining the animus towards them from the locals. Just sayin

    Spot on comment. My only addition is that in the case of this race, I’d argue their selectivity is not really about racism but about standards. In my experience, they’re very open to doing business with Westerners because they recognize that we can do a job properly. The natives screw things up so badly that cutting them out as much as possible is a wise thing to do.

    本篇 五月 have been the case at some points in Western:Jewish history but it’s certainly not the case nowadays.

  459. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @peterAUS

    Interesting you mentioned Chinese in Indonesia.
    Let me guess: you’d want them to become good Muslims?
    Nice…………………………………………….

    Clearly you don’t know much about Indonesia either. It’s a mixed country, with many different cultures and languages, and 5 different official religions. Medan was one of the epicenters of the riots, and the native Batak tribe is split evenly between Muslim and Christian. Jakarta also has lots of Christians. It’s not about religion. It’s about natives vs. Chinese.

    And yes, many of the Chinese, especially in Java, took up Javanese names, converted to Christianity, and didn’t teach their kids how to speak Chinese.

    The red line on Holocaust (TM?) is simple: “they” know that should they concede just one inch there it will slide kilometers into something they got not so long ago.

    Yes, we’ll slide kilometers into their own bad karma. We’ll find out how they’ve been lying to the world about the holocaust, we’ll find out about the Balfour declaration, we’ll find out about 9/11 and the USS liberty, and God forbid, we’ll find out how fractional banking really works.

    Any group of sensible human beings would be trying to defuse the situation. First, stop doing evil things. Secondly, slowly let the truth be revealed. Thirdly, marry local.

    但。 。 。

    If just a tiny possibility exists they could have that experience repeated they’ll fight. As they do.

    . . . this is the Jews we are talking about :-/

  460. Momus 说:
    @Mulegino1

    Indeed, but this is what one would expect to have happened during the typhus epidemics. The morgues were probably at capacity and there would be nowhere else to put the bodies.

    Leaving aside the copious evidence for the gassing chambers utility, the fact of the typhus epidemics in the Nazi concentration camps is undisputed.

    Typhus is spread by louse: crabs in the vernacular

    How is it that with the state of the art delousing facilities and medical care you and other denier/liars brag about the camps having could this have occurred?

    If Nazi intentions were benign how was it that innocent Jews were forced by the Nazis into a situation, the camps, where their lives were endangered?

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  461. Momus 说:
    @Peripatetic commenter

    How good is that evidence?

    First class. It is accepted as Judicial Note grade requiring no substantiation in Western courts. 😉

    Was it restricted to only the Jews?

    没有

    Did they develop the original concentration camp mechanism?

    No, a very old idea.

    Why would they focus only on the Jews? Because Germans are evil?

    Many Germans were evil and the nation at that time was duped and intimidated by Nazis.

    You raise lots of questions that it would be good to get answers for.

    Well, start researching mate. Haha.

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  462. How many Jews are close to their Rabbis at all?

    Are you close to your pastor?

    This is a really inartful way for you to say that most Jews are liars. Which is true. I don’t believe this is down to their religion at all, but rather is in the blood.

    And it seems to be shared with all people of Middle Eastern origin, the Jews just have the good fortune to be smarter than other people who emerged from that region.

    Great and funny show to watch on this is 遏制你的热情. Larry David and his friends like all the fucking time and think nothing of it.

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  463. Bob853 说:
    @Momus

    Leaving aside the copious evidence for the gassing chambers utility

    No material evidence for homicidal gas chambers, but we have material evidence to the contrary. So?

    the fact of the typhus epidemics in the Nazi concentration camps is undisputed.

    Typhus is spread by louse: crabs in the vernacular

    How is it that with the state of the art delousing facilities and medical care you and other denier/liars brag about the camps having could this have occurred?

    If Nazi intentions were benign how was it that innocent Jews were forced by the Nazis into a situation, the camps, where their lives were endangered?

    Typhus was not restricted only to the Nazi camps, learn something about its history. Louse and typhus existed outside the camps, Jews, gypsies, prisoners of war, they all carried louses with them, it was not that the camps were prepared with louses waiting in the beds in order to fed on incoming prisoners as you absurd claims suggest, louses were brought in, not the other way around. Some groups of people are known for their very bad hygiene, so that´s not surprising, especially if we are dealing with period of war when hygiene standards cannot be easily met.

    That´t like asking how people in today world could become sick with all that hi tech medical care etc., absurd question.

    Nobody forced Jews into the camps with the intentions to make them sick with typhus and make sick also SS personnel, civilians etc. Another absurd question again, like asking why are people forced in jails (even when they are still formally innocent and not found guilty) and exposed to risk of being killed by inmates, raped, made sick etc.

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  464. Anonymous[680]• 免责声明 说:
    @Momus

    Typhus is spread by louse: crabs in the vernacular

    How is it that with the state of the art delousing facilities and medical care you and other denier/liars brag about the camps having could this have occurred?

    I heard there was a war on at the time.

  465. Momus 说:
    @Bob853

    Nobody forced Jews into the camps with the intentions to make them sick with typhus

    So what was the intention of those who “forced” Jews into the camps?

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  466. Momus 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    And it seems to be shared with all people of Middle Eastern origin, the Jews just have the good fortune to be smarter than other people who emerged from that region.

    The smart Jews, the ones with intelligence an order of magnitude better than white average were the Ashkenazi from Europe. Their endogamous mating and selection of the men best at the demanding intellectual tasks like tax farming and interest rate calculations prior to the invention of zero meant accelerated natural selection for specific traits to do with smarts. In other words careful breeding.

    Sephardic Jews from the Mid East countries rate no better than the somewhat lowly Arabs.

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    , @Thorfinnsson
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