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如果不了解他的父亲约瑟夫·帕特里克·肯尼迪 (Joseph Patrick Kennedy),就不可能完全了解约翰·肯尼迪,因为这就是他的来源,不仅在他自己和他的朋友眼中,而且在他的敌人眼中也是如此。 当然,他的兄弟罗伯特也是如此。

我之前强调过,虽然约翰和罗伯特肯尼迪的性格截然不同,但从他们的历史意义来看,可以被视为一个人杀了两次。 但需要强调的是,他们的团结是建立在孝道之上的。 我从大卫·纳索 (David Nasaw) 的传记中了解到, 族长: 约瑟夫·肯尼迪的非凡生活和动荡时期 (2012 年),他们的父亲乔坚持让杰克将鲍比命名为司法部长,因为“杰克在内阁中需要一个他完全和绝对信任的人。” 罗伯特不喜欢这个主意,认为“裙带关系是个问题”,而约翰不愿意向鲍比施压。

他决定让鲍比担任国防部的二号职位,并要求管理他的过渡团队的克拉克·克利福德去纽约向 [乔] 肯尼迪解释,后者在拜访杰基和他的新孙子后飞到那里。医院,为什么鲍比不应该被任命为司法部长。 Clifford同意,虽然他认为,总统选举要求“第三方试图与父亲谈谈他的兄弟的第三方”奇怪。“ 克利福德在肯尼迪的公寓会见了肯尼迪,并提出了他精心排练的反对任命的案子。 “我对我的演讲很满意; 我想,这很有说服力。 当我完成后,肯尼迪说,‘非常感谢你,克拉克。 我很高兴听到你的意见。 然后,停顿了一下,他说,“但是,我确实想让你留下一个想法——一个坚定的想法。” 他又停了下来,直视着我的眼睛。 “鲍比将成为司法部长。 我们所有人都为杰克竭尽全力,现在我们已经成功了,我要确保鲍比得到与我们给杰克相同的机会。 我会一直记得,”克利福德多年后回忆道,“记得他说话时那种激烈但实事求是的语气——没有怨恨,没有愤怒,没有挑战。” 父亲说话了,他的儿子们,至少在这个问题上,应该服从。[1]大卫·纳索(David Nasaw) 族长: 约瑟夫·肯尼迪的非凡生活和动荡时期, 企鹅图书,2012 年,第 818-819 页。

虽然没有录制的陈述,但Joe可能会设想罗伯特在1968年成功地成功了Jack担任总裁。并且易于想象,约翰在1964年幸免于1976年,Robert,John的支持,可以继承白宫。 我们可能会思考,如果在 XNUMX 年之前还有肯尼迪家族在白宫,今天的世界会是什么样子。

约翰和罗伯特对现代战争有着共同的恐惧,这也是他们父亲的遗产。 约翰是一位真正的战争英雄,因“极其英勇的行为”而被授予海军和海军陆战队勋章。 然而,在 8 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日欧洲胜利日,作为一名报道联合国在旧金山成立大会的年轻记者,他在 美国先驱报: “任何为自己的国家冒着生命危险并看到他周围的朋友被杀的人都不可避免地想知道为什么这会发生在他身上,最重要的是这有什么好处。 . . . 他们会质疑自己牺牲的价值并感到有些出卖,这并不奇怪。”[2]基督马修斯, 杰克肯尼迪,难以捉摸的英雄, 西蒙和舒斯特,2011 年,第 71-72 页。 肯尼迪在 22 年 1946 月 XNUMX 日宣布参选国会时宣称:“最重要的是,无论白天黑夜,我们必须用我们所拥有的每一分聪明才智和勤奋,为和平而努力。 我们不能再有战争。”[3]詹姆斯·道格拉斯(James Douglass) 肯尼迪和无法言说:他为什么死以及为什么重要, 试金石,2008年,第5页。 XNUMX。 他的一位记者朋友休·西迪 (Hugh Sidey) 写道:“如果我不得不挑出肯尼迪生活中对他后来的领导影响最大的一个因素,那将是一场战争的恐怖,完全反感战争造成的可怕损失。现代战争对个人、国家和社会造成了影响,核时代的前景甚至更糟。 . . . 它比他在这个问题上的大量公开言论更深入。”[4]引自小罗伯特·肯尼迪, 美国价值观:我从家人那里学到的教训, 哈珀柯林斯,2018 年,p。 101. 约翰曾对他的朋友本·布拉德利 (Ben Bradlee) 说,他相信“美国总统的主要职责 [是] 使国家远离战争。”[5]引自小罗伯特·肯尼迪, 美国价值观, p.页。 101. XNUMX。

直到 1940 年 1938 月他在富兰克林·罗斯福政府的整个政治生涯中,这一信念一直指引着他的父亲。作为美国驻伦敦大使,乔·肯尼迪在 39-1938 年全心全意支持内维尔·张伯伦的“绥靖”政策。 他渴望和平,就像丘吉尔渴望战争一样。 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月,乔首次从伦敦返回美国时宣称:“我支持和平,我祈祷、希望并为和平而努力。”[6]Michael R. Beschloss, 肯尼迪和罗斯福:不安的联盟, 开放之路,1979 年,第 187 页。 为此,他在历史的错误方面结束了,丘吉尔小心翼翼地写了自己。

绥靖的污点

和他的父亲一样,肯尼迪总统是一位坚定的和平缔造者,五角大楼里那些想要将美国推入第三次世界大战的人试图通过暗示他是像他父亲一样的绥靖者来破坏他的稳定。 19 年 1962 月 XNUMX 日,在古巴导弹危机最激烈的时候,肯尼迪决心封锁苏联的运输,而不是轰炸和入侵古巴,柯蒂斯·勒梅将军轻蔑地告诉他:“这几乎和慕尼黑的绥靖政策一样糟糕。 . . 除了直接的军事干预,我看不到任何其他解决方案 现在可以做些什么设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“[7]道格拉斯 肯尼迪和无法言说, p.页。 21. XNUMX。

他父亲作为希特勒绥靖者的记录的污点像影子一样跟着约翰。 虽然新闻界没有公布,但美国军方于 1946 年在柏林外交部发现了有关乔与德国大使冯·里宾特洛甫及其继任者冯·德克森会面的报道,这在五角大楼和中央情报局已经不是什么秘密了。乔是德国在伦敦的“最好的朋友”,“完全理解我们的犹太人政策”。[8]纳索, 族长, p.页。 349. XNUMX。

约瑟夫·肯尼迪大使和约阿希姆·冯·里宾特洛甫大使
约瑟夫·肯尼迪大使和约阿希姆·冯·里宾特洛甫大使

在 1960 年民主党大会期间的一次联合辩论中,约翰逊攻击约翰是“认为希特勒是对的”的“张伯伦保护伞人”的儿子。[9]罗伯特·卡罗 林登约翰逊的岁月, 卷四: 权力的传递, 阿尔弗雷德·克诺夫 (Alfred Knopf),2012 年,第 104 页。 XNUMX. 同样在亚瑟·克罗克 (Arthur Krock), 回忆录:射击线上的XNUMX年, Funk & Wagnalls, 1968, p. 362. 在肯尼迪总统竞选期间,以色列媒体担心肯尼迪的父亲“从不爱犹太人,因此有人质疑他的父亲是否没有在包括他儿子约翰在内的孩子们的脑海中注入一些反犹太主义的毒液。”[10]在该杂志的 赫鲁特 梅纳赫姆·贝京 (Menachem Begin) 的政党,引自艾伦·哈特 (Alan Hart), 犹太复国主义:犹太人的真正敌人,卷 2: 大卫成为巨人, 清晰度出版社,2013年,第252页。 XNUMX。 亚伯拉罕·范伯格回忆说,当他邀请肯尼迪到他的公寓与“所有主要犹太人”讨论他的竞选资金时,其中一个人定下了这样的话:“杰克,每个人都知道你父亲关于犹太人和希特勒的名声。 每个人都知道苹果离树不远。” 肯尼迪从那次会议中回来后感到愤怒(但承诺 500,000 美元)。[11]西摩·赫什, 参孙的选择:以色列的核武库和美国的外交政策, 兰登书屋, 1991, p. 96. 30 年 1961 月 XNUMX 日在纽约会见新总统时,本-古里安不禁在他身上看到了希特勒绥靖者的儿子。 范伯格(安排会议)回忆说,“本-古里安可能很恶毒,他对老人 [乔·肯尼迪] 如此仇恨。”[12]赫什, 参孙选项, p.页。 103. XNUMX。

乔在犹太人中的坏名声与他的两个儿子被暗杀有关吗? 许多犹太作家认为是。 在他的书中 肯尼迪诅咒, 为了解释“为什么悲剧一直困扰着美国第一个家庭 150 年”,爱德华·克莱因将“肯尼迪诅咒”与乔的反犹太主义联系起来,引用了一个“在神秘的犹太圈子中讲述”(可能由克莱因编造)的故事,为了“报复”乔对“以色列雅各布森,一个可怜的卢巴维彻拉比和他的六名正在逃离纳粹的犹太教学生”的评论,“拉比雅各布森诅咒肯尼迪,诅咒他和他所有的男性后代悲惨的命运。”[13]爱德华·克莱恩 肯尼迪诅咒:为什么悲剧困扰美国第一家庭 150 年,圣马丁出版社,2004 年。 罗纳德·凯斯勒 (Ronald Kessler) 写了一本书,题为: 父亲的罪孽—— 对出埃及记 20:5 的一个不太微妙的暗示:“我耶和华是嫉妒的上帝,为恨我的第三代和第四代父母的罪惩罚孩子们。” 自然,对于凯斯勒来说,乔·肯尼迪最大的罪过是“他是一个记录在案的反犹太主义者和阿道夫希特勒的绥靖者”,他“钦佩纳粹”。[14]罗纳德·凯斯勒, 父亲的罪孽:约瑟夫·P·肯尼迪和他建立的王朝, Coronet Books,1997 年,引自出版商的介绍和封底。

立即订购

“肯尼迪诅咒”确实传到了第三代,也可能是第四代,当时约翰的独子于 16 年 1999 月 XNUMX 日在一次可疑的飞机事故中丧生,他的妻子可能怀孕了。 五天后,新保守主义杰出人物诺曼·波德霍雷茨的儿子约翰·波德霍雷茨发表在 纽约邮报 一篇题为 “地狱对话” 他想象撒旦在地狱里对乔·肯尼迪说话。 魔鬼为永远折磨乔的想法感到高兴,因为他“说了所有关于希特勒的好话”,并吹嘘导致他的孙子死亡,因为,他说:“当我为像你这样的灵魂做交易时,我需要在我准备好将它放入地狱火炉之前对其进行调味。” 这种可恶的幻想让人想起塔木德对地狱中耶稣的描绘,说明了一些犹太知识分子对肯尼迪家族的极度仇恨,以及这种仇恨的根源在于乔·肯尼迪为阻止第二次世界大战所做的努力。[15]约翰·波德霍雷茨,《地狱中的对话》, 纽约邮报, 21 年 1999 月 XNUMX 日,在 nypost.com 上

有趣的是,波德霍雷茨的恶魔(或者是耶和华?)指责肯尼迪已经“尽一切努力阻止犹太人从纳粹德国移民。 成千上万的犹太人因你而死。” 事实恰恰相反。 1938 年,媒体称之为“肯尼迪计划”,旨在拯救德国犹太人。 由于美国政府拒绝向犹太难民开放边界,而且由于英国严格限制犹太人移民到巴勒斯坦,乔敦促英国政府开放其非洲殖民地以进行临时重新安置。 “为了促进重新安置过程,”Nasaw 写道,“肯尼迪自愿向哈利法克斯表示,他'认为如果可以提出任何大型土地安置计划,美国的私人资源很可能会贡献 100 美元或 200 亿美元。'”[16]纳索, 族长, 第 403-406。 该计划在几天后提交给了张伯伦 水晶之夜 (9 年 10 月 1938 日至 XNUMX 日),并得到了犹太金融家伯纳德·巴鲁克 (Bernard Baruch) 的支持。 但这激怒了犹太复国主义者,他们不想听到除了巴勒斯坦以外的任何犹太人移民的消息,因为,本-古里安说,这“将危及犹太复国主义的存在”。[17]艾伦·哈特(Alan Hart) 犹太复国主义:犹太人的真正敌人,卷 1: 假弥赛亚, 清晰出版社, 2009, p. 164. 因此,今天的“肯尼迪计划”是 受到谴责 作为一种“犹太人问题的最终解决方案”,并进一步证明乔是以色列的死敌。[18]克莱夫·欧文,“乔·肯尼迪对犹太人问题的回答:将他们运送到非洲”,14 年 2017 月 XNUMX 日,www.thedailybeast.com

如果犹太人对乔·肯尼迪的仇恨仍能在 1999 年激发 Podhoretz 令人讨厌的专栏,想象一下它在 1960 年代有多深。 25 年 1963 月 XNUMX 日,在他与肯尼迪就迪莫纳摊牌的高峰期,本-古里安给他写了一封长达七页的信,解释说他的人民受到新成立的阿拉伯联邦的灭绝威胁,就像“全世界有 XNUMX 万犹太人一样”。在纳粹占领下的国家(保加利亚除外),男女老幼、婴儿和婴儿都被烧死、勒死、活埋。” “充满了大屠杀的教训,”阿夫纳·科恩评论道,“本·古里安被对以色列安全的恐惧所吞噬。”[19]阿夫纳·科恩 以色列和炸弹, 哥伦比亚大学出版社,1998 年,第 10、119 页。 他对肯尼迪明显缺乏对人民安全的关心而感到愤怒,此时,他一定认为肯尼迪确实是他父亲的儿子,一个现代的哈曼。

在我们讨论乔·肯尼迪的绥靖政策与约翰·肯尼迪遇刺事件之间存在直接关系的主要证据之前,让我们大致了解一下乔的公共事业,主要使用大卫·纳索的传记和迈克尔·贝施洛斯的传记 肯尼迪和罗斯福:不安的联盟 (1979)。

大使

乔·肯尼迪 (Joe Kennedy) 在 1932 年的第一次总统竞选中作为罗斯福的支持者进入了国家政界。 1934 年 XNUMX 月,罗斯福要求他担任新成立的证券交易委员会的主席,负责通过监管和纪律将新政引入华尔街交易所市场。 肯尼迪宣布:“操纵股票的日子结束了。 几年前看起来还不错的事情在我们今天的哲学中没有立足之地。” 根据 Beschloss 的说法,肯尼迪“因其销售技巧、政治敏锐度以及缓和冲突各方的能力而赢得了几乎普遍的赞誉,这些都鼓励了资本投资和经济复苏。” “很少有人比雇用他的人对肯尼迪的成就印象更深刻,”并且“约瑟夫肯尼迪越来越成为白宫熟悉的人物。”[20]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 105-109。

1936 年,乔出版了一本书,支持罗斯福的第二次竞选。 我支持罗斯福 (主要由亚瑟·克罗克(Arthur Krock)写的鬼书)。 他希望被任命为财政部长,但小亨利·摩根索也想要这份工作,并得到了它。 相反,罗斯福任命乔为海事委员会主席,一年后任命他为驻伦敦大使。 由于欧洲正在酝酿战争,这是一个重要的职位,乔经常违反国务卿科德尔·赫尔的指示,使其变得更加重要。

他支持张伯伦的立场,即捷克斯洛伐克的领土完整不值得一场战争,并于 2 年 1938 月 XNUMX 日宣布,“在我的一生中,我看不到任何可以远程认为值得为之流血的事情”,他在声明中表示遭到赫尔和罗斯福的谴责。[21]纳索, 族长, 页。 第373话还有贝施洛夫, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 180. XNUMX。 19 月 XNUMX 日,乔开始了另一场演讲,他开玩笑地列出了他决定的话题 不能 谈论,包括“我的一个理论,即民主国家和独裁国家通过强调其不言自明的差异来扩大它们之间目前存在的分歧是徒劳的。”[22]纳索, 族长, p.页。 396. XNUMX。 赫尔第二天早上召开新闻发布会,澄清肯尼迪是为自己说话,而不是为政府说话,罗斯福也表达了自己的好战态度:“如果国家政策故意将战争威胁作为一种工具,就不会有和平。 ”[23]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 185-186。

与此同时,肯尼迪在没有通知赫尔的情况下,将查尔斯·林德伯格召集到伦敦,并要求他写一封信,转交给华盛顿和白厅,总结他对德国空军实力的看法。 林德伯格刚刚访问了德国机场(并被戈林授予了德国鹰服役十字勋章),并得出结论认为德国空军在天空之战中是无懈可击的。 肯尼迪随后安排了林德伯格与英国空军部官员的会面。[24]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 182. XNUMX。 他的外交策略包括试图说服英国人德国是不可战胜的,美国不会加入战斗,因此英国人最好与德国达成协议,无论如何,德国的领土主张都是合理的。

在同一时期,乔计划在巴黎会见戈林的首席经济顾问赫尔穆特沃尔萨特博士,他通过通用汽车海外总裁詹姆斯穆尼与他取得了联系。 正如 Nasaw 解释的那样,“肯尼迪实际上正在为一项新的绥靖战略奠定基础,该战略将为希特勒提供将他的战争经济转变为和平经济的手段来收买他。”[25]纳索, 族长, p.页。 425. XNUMX。 赫尔禁止他去巴黎,所以乔在没有通知赫尔的情况下在伦敦遇到了沃尔萨特。

23 年 1939 月 XNUMX 日,即希特勒入侵波兰前一周,肯尼迪敦促罗斯福向波兰政府施压,迫使其将领土割让给德国,但徒劳无功。[26]纳索, 族长, p.页。 445. XNUMX。 希特勒入侵后,肯尼迪和张伯伦一样伤心欲绝:“这是世界末日。 . . 一切都结束了,”他在电话中告诉罗斯福。[27]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 199. XNUMX。 但一周后,他仍在敦促他拯救和平,给他写信:“在我看来,这种情况可能会具体化到总统可以成为世界救世主的地步。 英国政府当然不能接受与希特勒的任何协议,但总统本人可能会制定世界和平计划。”[28]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 201. XNUMX。 他从赫尔那里得到了他的回应:“美国人民不会支持这个政府发起的任何和平行动,以巩固或使武力和侵略政权的生存成为可能。”

与此同时,罗斯福开始与丘吉尔直接接触,丘吉尔现在是海军部第一任勋爵,即将成为首相。 从罗斯福的信件中,丘吉尔有足够的信心,如果战争爆发,美国最终会加入战争,他把所有的赌注押在这上面。 当总统受到中立法的约束并且美国人民压倒性地反对美国参与的时候,乔在得知这种最不规则的沟通渠道时感到愤怒。 罗斯福对丘吉尔的信任让乔特别苦恼,乔认为丘吉尔是“演员和政治家”。 他总是给我留下深刻印象,他会炸毁美国大使馆并说如果它能让美国进入,那就是德国人。”[29]纳索, 族长, 第 460-461 页。 根据大卫欧文的说法,这句话来自乔肯尼迪的日记,他在 丘吉尔的战争, 卷1: 权力之争,焦点,2003 年,第。 207. 1939 年 XNUMX 月上旬,肯尼迪向国务院的杰伊·皮埃尔庞特·莫法特 (Jay Pierrepont Moffat) 透露,丘吉尔“是无情和诡计多端的。 他还与美国有相同想法的团体保持联系,特别是某些强大的犹太领导人。”[30]纳索, 族长, p.页。 476. XNUMX。

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法国战败后,肯尼迪看到了新的和平机会。 27 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日,他给华盛顿发了电报,建议总统推动英国和法国通过谈判结束这场危机,正如仍然是外交大臣的哈利法克斯勋爵实际提议的那样。 “我怀疑德国人现在愿意与法国人和英国人讲和——当然是按照他们自己的条件,但如果战争继续下去,他们的条件会好得多。”[31]纳索, 族长, p.页。 496. XNUMX。

尽管意识到罗斯福现在不理他了,乔仍然留在他的岗位上直到 1940 年 XNUMX 月。在离开之前,他给张伯伦写了一封便条,当时他是一个破碎的垂死的人:“对我来说,在你的斗争中为你提供任何帮助是在我的职业生涯中真正有价值的时代。 你已经退休,但记住我的话,世界将看到你的斗争从未白费。 从现在开始,我的工作就是将您的希望告诉全世界。 现在和永远,你忠实的朋友,乔·肯尼迪。”[32]纳索, 族长, p. ,P。 534. XNUMX。 乔肯尼迪仍然是一个坚定的绥靖者,决心给和平每一个机会。

大卫欧文提到,在登上从里斯本到纽约的船之前,肯尼迪“恳求国务院宣布,即使这艘船在大西洋中部神秘爆炸,船上有一名美国大使,华盛顿也不会认为这是战争的原因。 '我想,'肯尼迪在他未出版的粗俗回忆录中写道,'这会给我一些保护,防止丘吉尔在船上放置炸弹。'”[33]戴维·欧文(David Irving) 丘吉尔的战争, 卷1: 权力之争,焦点,2003 年,第。 207.

肯尼迪于 27 月 XNUMX 日抵达纽约,也就是选举日前一周。 他知道罗斯福与丘吉尔的秘密接触足以危及他的连任。 他正在认真考虑向媒体发表讲话。 在给他的情人和崇拜者克莱尔·布斯·卢斯的电报中,他承诺会“让 XNUMX 万天主教选民支持 [共和党候选人] 温德尔·威尔基,将罗斯福赶下台”。[34]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 15-16。

但乔有强烈的忠诚感,他的妻子提醒他他们俩都本能的政治真理:“总统派你这个罗马天主教徒担任驻伦敦大使,这可能是其他总统不会做的。 . . . 如果你现在辞职,在很多人看来,你会把自己写成一个忘恩负义的人。”[35]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 43 和 230 页。 在罗斯福抵达当天与罗斯福进行了长时间的交谈后,没有发生任何事情,肯尼迪于 29 月 XNUMX 日在哥伦比亚广播公司发表了一次广播讲话,支持罗斯福,但同时重申了他“这个国家必须并且将远离战争的信念” 。” 几天后,在乔·肯尼迪的身边,罗斯福做出了自己的承诺:“我以前说过,但我会一遍又一遍地说:你们的孩子不会被派往任何外国战争!”[36]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 235-237。 Roosevelt was elected. 1 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日,肯尼迪递交了辞职信,并告诉记者:“我的计划是…… . . 致力于在我看来是当今​​世界上最伟大的事业。 . . 这个事业是为了帮助总统让美国远离战争。”[37]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 247. XNUMX。

17月13日,罗斯福在新闻发布会上透露,他计划以租借协议的形式向英国提供数十亿美元的战争物资(最终美国将向英国提供26亿美元)。 乔私下表达了他被总统利用的感觉。 但他与罗斯福的关系相对较好,尽管他于 1944 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日在白宫拜访罗斯福时拒绝支持他的第四个任期的提名。 肯尼迪在他的笔记中告诉总统——一个病得很重的人——天主教选民不愿投票给他,因为“他们觉得罗斯福是犹太人控制的”。 他补充说,他同意“那些认为霍普金斯、罗森曼和法兰克福人以及其他无能者会剥夺罗斯福在历史上的地位的团体,我敢肯定,他希望拥有的历史地位。 . . . 罗斯福接着说:“为什么,我一年见不到法兰克福两次。” 我对他说,‘你一天见他二十次,但你不知道,因为他在你不知道的情况下通过所有其他人群工作。’”[38]纳索, 族长, 页。 625; 贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 279. XNUMX。

1941 年辞职后,乔曾设想写一本他在伦敦生活的回忆录,并告诉他的朋友和前总统赫伯特·胡佛,这本书将“对美国如何卷入战争的过程涂上完全不同的色彩,并将证明富兰克林·D·罗斯福对美国人民的背叛。” 但是,贝施洛斯评论道,“战时团结的必要性以及后来他儿子们的政治生涯使约瑟夫·肯尼迪的外交回忆录绝版了,它一直留在那里。”[39]贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 273. XNUMX。

在这里,与另一位爱尔兰天主教徒的美国爱国者、乔·肯尼迪的朋友詹姆斯·福雷斯特尔(James Forrestal)有一个有趣的相似之处。 正如大卫·马丁在他的书中所展示的那样 詹姆斯·福雷斯特的暗杀 (总结 此处),1949 年 1945 月,当福雷斯特尔被杜鲁门赶出国防部时,他计划写一本书并创办一本杂志。 作为海军部长,他对罗斯福煽动日本袭击珍珠港的计划有所了解。 2年,他曾在幕后工作,促成日本谈判投降,对罗斯福“无条件投降”的要求和给日本人造成不必要的苦难深感痛心。 对于犹太复国主义者在联合国大会上获得分区计划的方式,或者杜鲁门被收买支持承认以色列的方式,福雷斯特也有很多话要说。 1949 年 16 月 XNUMX 日,福雷斯特被强行关押在 XNUMXth 贝塞斯达海军医院的地板,并于 22 月 XNUMX 日被宣布从窗户掉下来,同时试图用晨衣腰带从窗户上吊起来。 没有进行刑事调查,但大卫·马丁通过《信息自由法》获得的证据无疑表明他是被犹太复国主义黑手党暗杀的。

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不难想象,如果乔·肯尼迪决定揭露罗斯福对美国人民的背叛,以及犹太人将他推入战争的阴谋,他可能会遭受与福雷斯特一样的命运。 相反,他退出了公共生活,并将剩余的影响力用于儿子的政治未来。 尽管他的长子小乔于 1944 年在一次高风险任务中去世,但他通过他的次子实现了他的总统抱负。 然而,“肯尼迪诅咒”最终会赶上他的血统。

约翰肯尼迪的知识分子归属

约翰一直忠于父亲的记忆,有足够的证据表明他分享了他最根本的原则和对二战的看法。 1956年,在他的书中 勇气的简介, 约翰称赞参议员罗伯特·塔夫脱 (Robert Taft) 以巨大的个人代价于 1946 年谴责绞死 XNUMX 名纳粹官员是“美国记录上的一个污点,我们将永远后悔”。[40]罗伯特·塔夫脱,6 年 1946 月 XNUMX 日,引自约翰·肯尼迪, 勇气的简介, 1956 年,哈珀多年生,2003 年 , p.页。 199. XNUMX。 肯尼迪总统与他父亲的知识和政治关系的象征性暗示是他的 请帖 11 年 1962 月 XNUMX 日,查尔斯·林德伯格在白宫举行盛大的招待会。 林德伯格和他的妻子在总统餐桌上用餐并在白宫过夜时引起了轰动。[41]“访问查尔斯 A.林德伯格”,在 www.jfklibrary.org 让我们回想一下,1940 年 XNUMX 月,林德伯格曾是美国第一委员会的创始成员,也是罗斯福将美国拖入战争的诡计的最坚定批评者。[42]琳恩·奥尔森 那些愤怒的日子:罗斯福、林德伯格和美国为二战而战,1939-1941, 兰登书屋,2013年。 由于他对犹太人影响的批评,他的声誉受到了极大的影响,从那时起他就一直隐居。

肯尼迪非常公开地邀请林德伯格到白宫在政治上没有任何好处。 不应低估这一姿态的重要性。 它可能表明希望为 1938-40 年被诽谤的绥靖者辩护。 林德伯格在白宫可能是车轮正在转动的迹象,而且历史很快就会以更加平衡的方式书写。 约翰的暗杀停止并扭转了这一运动。 五年后,随着以色列的扩张,大屠杀的黑暗邪教将开始席卷美国和世界。 可以说,如果肯尼迪还活着,今天就不会有强制性的大屠杀宗教。

对于像大卫·本-古里安这样自我形象和世界观围绕大屠杀展开的人来说,肯尼迪兄弟本质上是希特勒绥靖者和纳粹支持者的儿子,他们对美国的领导既是生存威胁,也是无法忍受的侮辱。 尽管出于显而易见的原因,这种杀戮的仇恨很少公开表达(约翰·波德霍雷茨的“地狱对话”是一个显着的例外),但在我们寻求解开“肯尼迪诅咒”之谜时,必须考虑到这一关键事实。 ” 它揭示了肯尼迪遇刺事件中最离奇的方面之一。

在他 1967 年出版的名为 达拉斯的六秒钟:肯尼迪遇刺案的微观研究,证明三名枪手谋杀了总统,乔赛亚·汤普森首先提请注意一个可以在扎普鲁德电影和肯尼迪被暗杀时在迪利广场拍摄的其他照片中看到的角色。 这是汤普森如何在一个 短片 埃罗尔·莫里斯 (Errol Morris) 为 “纽约时报” 在2011:

十一月22nd,前一天晚上下雨了。 但一切都在早上 9 点或 9 点 30 分左右清除。 因此,如果您查看车队路线的各种照片,在聚集在那里的人群中,您会注意到:没有人穿着雨衣,没有人打开雨伞。 为什么? 因为这是美好的一天。 然后我注意到:在整个达拉斯,似乎只有一个人站在打开的黑色雨伞下。 而那个人正站在枪声开始落入豪华轿车的地方。 让我们称他为“伞人”。 . . . 您可以在 Zapruder 电影的某些画面中看到他,就站在 Stemmons 高速公路标志旁。 还有在迪利广场其他地方拍摄的其他静态照片,显示整个人站在一把敞开的黑色雨伞下——达拉斯全城唯一一个撑着一把雨伞的人,站在所有镜头都进入豪华轿车的位置。 任何人都可以对此提出一个非险恶的解释吗? 所以我发表了这个 六秒, 但没有推测它的意思。 . . 嗯,我请雨伞人出面解释一下。 所以他做到了。 他挺身而出,带着雨伞去了华盛顿,并于 1978 年在众议院暗杀特别委员会作证。 然后他解释了为什么那天他打开了伞并站在那里。 打开的雨伞是一种抗议,一种视觉上的抗议。 这并不是对约翰肯尼迪作为总统的任何政策的抗议。 这是对约翰·肯尼迪 (John Kennedy) 的父亲约瑟夫·肯尼迪 (Joseph P. Kennedy) 在 1938 年和 39 年担任圣詹姆斯宫廷大使时的绥靖政策的抗议。这是对内维尔·张伯伦 (Neville Chamberlain) 的雨伞的提及。[43]Vimeo.com 或 YouTube 上的“伞人”

黑色雨伞曾是张伯伦的标志性商标,从慕尼黑归来后,对于支持它的人都是“绥靖”的象征(有老太太“建议将张伯伦的雨伞拆开,当成圣物出售”)[44]帕特里克·布坎南(Patrick J. 丘吉尔,希特勒和“不必要的战争”:英国如何失去帝国,西方如何失去世界, 皇冠论坛, 2008, p. 208. 对于那些反对它的人(“无论张伯伦到哪里去,英国的反对党都会在慕尼黑展示雨伞来抗议他的绥靖政策,”据报道, 爱德华·米勒).

雨伞人是路易史蒂文威特,在他来到 HSCA 之前,当地新闻记者已经确认了他的身份。 Josiah Thompson 假设他的“视觉抗议”和肯尼迪被暗杀无关,而且由于某种量子物理学的巧合,它们发生在完全相同的时间和地点。 他无法让自己看到这种联系,尽管伞人本人向 HSCA 明确表示他想“质问”肯尼迪总统在 1938 年对希特勒的绥靖政策。 了解我们对犹太人对“肯尼迪诅咒”的看法”与“父亲的罪孽”相关联,我们不得不发现汤普森拒绝将任何阴谋论视为非常典型的外邦人自致失明。

路易·史蒂文·威特(Louie Steven Witt)是犹太复国主义者的特工, 萨扬? 不必要。 他可能在不知道肯尼迪会在他面前被杀的情况下被指示去做他所做的事情。 另一方面,他对他的“坏笑话”的解释听起来很不诚实:“在喝咖啡休息的谈话中,”他说,“有人提到雨伞是肯尼迪家族的痛处。 . . . 我只是想做点儿质问。” 威特小心翼翼地避免提及为什么这把伞是“肯尼迪家族的痛处”。 当他说他听说“肯尼迪家族的一些成员”曾经在机场被挥舞着雨伞的人冒犯时,他也避免点名乔·肯尼迪。 “机场”听起来像是对张伯伦于 30 年 1938 月 XNUMX 日在赫斯顿机场广为宣传的回归的暗指。威特的解释显然有隐含的意味。 对于那些 Unz评论 有耳可听、有眼可看的读者,处决肯尼迪,同时“质问”他父亲的绥靖政策,这应该是一个明确无误的签名。 张伯伦的伞是肯尼迪的十字架。

洛朗·盖伊诺特(LaurentGuyénot)博士是《 不言而喻的肯尼迪真相(2021) 犹太权力散文(2020), 从耶和华到锡安 (2018)。

说明

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[2] 基督马修斯, 杰克肯尼迪,难以捉摸的英雄, 西蒙和舒斯特,2011 年,第 71-72 页。

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[4] 引自小罗伯特·肯尼迪, 美国价值观:我从家人那里学到的教训, 哈珀柯林斯,2018 年,p。 101.

[5] 引自小罗伯特·肯尼迪, 美国价值观, p.页。 101. XNUMX。

[6] Michael R. Beschloss, 肯尼迪和罗斯福:不安的联盟, 开放之路,1979 年,第 187 页。

[7] 道格拉斯 肯尼迪和无法言说, p.页。 21. XNUMX。

[8] 纳索, 族长, p.页。 349. XNUMX。

[9] 罗伯特·卡罗 林登约翰逊的岁月, 卷四: 权力的传递, 阿尔弗雷德·克诺夫 (Alfred Knopf),2012 年,第 104 页。 XNUMX. 同样在亚瑟·克罗克 (Arthur Krock), 回忆录:射击线上的XNUMX年, Funk & Wagnalls, 1968, p. 362.

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[11] 西摩·赫什, 参孙的选择:以色列的核武库和美国的外交政策, 兰登书屋, 1991, p. 96.

[12] 赫什, 参孙选项, p.页。 103. XNUMX。

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[14] 罗纳德·凯斯勒, 父亲的罪孽:约瑟夫·P·肯尼迪和他建立的王朝, Coronet Books,1997 年,引自出版商的介绍和封底。

[15] 约翰·波德霍雷茨,《地狱中的对话》, 纽约邮报, 21年1999月XNUMX日, nypost.com

[16] 纳索, 族长, 第 403-406。

[17] 艾伦·哈特(Alan Hart) 犹太复国主义:犹太人的真正敌人,卷 1: 假弥赛亚, 清晰出版社, 2009, p. 164.

[18] 克莱夫·欧文,“乔·肯尼迪对犹太人问题的回答:将他们运送到非洲”,14 年 2017 月 XNUMX 日,在 www.thedailybeast.com

[19] 阿夫纳·科恩 以色列和炸弹, 哥伦比亚大学出版社,1998 年,第 10、119 页。

[20] 贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 105-109。

[21] 纳索, 族长, 页。 第373话还有贝施洛夫, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 180. XNUMX。

[22] 纳索, 族长, p.页。 396. XNUMX。

[23] 贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, 第 185-186。

[24] 贝施洛斯, 肯尼迪和罗斯福, p.页。 182. XNUMX。

[25] 纳索, 族长, p.页。 425. XNUMX。

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[29] 纳索, 族长, 第 460-461 页。 根据大卫欧文的说法,这句话来自乔肯尼迪的日记,他在 丘吉尔的战争, 卷1: 权力之争,焦点,2003 年,第。 207.

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[43] 《伞人》,上 Vimeo.com or YouTube

[44] 帕特里克·布坎南(Patrick J. 丘吉尔,希特勒和“不必要的战争”:英国如何失去帝国,西方如何失去世界, 皇冠论坛, 2008, p. 208.

 
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  1. Laurent, many thanks for dragging this up out of the memory hole. Thanks!

    • 同意: Robin Hood, Montefrío
  2. Right_On 说:

    迷人的东西。

    Kennedy “pleaded with the State Department to announce that, even if this vessel mysteriously blew up in mid-Atlantic with an American ambassador on board, Washington would not consider it a cause for war. ‘I thought,’ wrote Kennedy in his scurrilous unpublished memoirs, ‘that would give me some protection against Churchill’s placing a bomb on the ship.’”
    Smart man. During WWI, a week before the sinking of 路西塔尼亚, Winston Churchill [then First Lord of the Admiralty] wrote to Walter Runciman, the President of the Board of Trade, stating that it is “most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the United States with Germany.”

  3. anon[306]• 免责声明 说:

    “In July 1957, following a failed coup in Syria by the CIA, my uncle, Sen. John F. Kennedy, infuriated the Eisenhower White House, the leaders of both political parties and our European allies with a milestone speech endorsing the right of self-governance in the Arab world and an end to America’s imperialist meddling in Arab countries.

    In 1957, my grandfather, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, sat on a secret committee charged with investigating the CIA’s clandestine mischief in the Mideast. The so called “Bruce-Lovett Report,” to which he was a signatory, described CIA coup plots in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt, all common knowledge on the Arab street, ..’

    BY ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR. https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

    Without war coup and meddling s from USA-Europe …… .

    Kennedys were thorns in the sides .

    • 回复: @anon
    , @S
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  4. 法国战败后,肯尼迪看到了新的和平机会。 27 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日,他给华盛顿发了电报,建议总统推动英国和法国通过谈判结束这场危机,正如仍然是外交大臣的哈利法克斯勋爵实际提议的那样。 “我怀疑德国人现在愿意与法国人和英国人讲和——当然是按照他们自己的条件,但如果战争继续下去,他们的条件会好得多。”

    He was correct. Hitler wanted no war with the west, and offered to withdraw to 1919 German borders several times in 1940. He even sent Hess to deliver this offer directly.

    • 回复: @JM
    , @Joe Levantine
  5. I just turned 10 when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. Our fifth grade teacher, a big gentle, ruddy face man, was called to the office. The usual mayhem ensued when a teacher leaves a room of fifth graders alone— paper planes thrown at everyone, spit balls, girls teased by boys, etc. When however, the teacher return to class a few minutes later, his face was white as snow. He simply uttered in a low voice, students, the president of the U.S. has been assassinated. One could hear a pin drop. Class is dismissed. Go home. Later on, I saw Lee Harvey Oswald on TV, in police custody, speak into microphones that were pointed at him and say, “I’m just a patsy.” My ten year old mind, totally believed him and It still does to this day. I marked that period as the beginning of a radical change in the U.S. leadership. I think most people who have thought a little about it, did..

    • 同意: Druid
    • 谢谢: but an humble craftsman
    • 回复: @Hyper Bole
  6. Excellent article. The quote about Taft that John Kennedy made, as well as the Lindbergh invitation to the White House, are very revealing. They’re the sort of thing the MSM would either ignore or gloss over.
    A question to Laurent Guyenot. Obviously, the Umbrella Man has been mentioned by Thompson and some other authors. But are you the first to draw the connection between him, Joseph P Kennedy and the Jews ? If you are, it’s a remarkable piece of detective work. Even if you’re not, many thanks for drawing attention to this remarkable “coincidence”.

  7. john cronk 说:

    I read the link that Robert Kennedy appended to his comment.

    In the third from last paragraph:
    “Other than humanitarian assistance and guaranteeing the security of Israel’s borders, the U.S. has no legitimate role in this conflict. ”

    • 回复: @Curmudgeon
  8. I’m glad that no attempt is made here to claim that Witt either signaling a 2nd shot or firing a dart the way that some conspiracy-scenarios have tried to claim. I agree that once I became convinced that JFK was in fact assassinated by more than just a lone nut, and that the assassination conspiracy had links with intelligence agencies, then the clear association of the Umbrella Man with “anti-appeasement” stood out as a hint as to motives. But the claims made in some corners that Witt was either firing a dart of his own or else at least signaling a 2nd shot by some hidden shooter have always seemed overstretched.

    As long as one doesn’t get into claims that Witt was himself actively a part of the assassination, then the thesis that Witt was placed there as a type of signature makes a lot of sense. It would have an overt and covert meaning. The overt message which many took from it was “John Kennedy is an appeaser in the Cold War, just like Neville Chamberlain was an appeaser of Hitler!” But the covert message is that “John Kennedy failed to support Jews, just like his father Joseph Kennedy!” Nevertheless, I doubt that Witt actually fired any shots or darts or whatever. The evidence of a conspiracy behind the assassination itself lies elsewhere.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Skeptikal
  9. fnn 说:

    “In 1957, my grandfather, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy, sat on a secret committee charged with investigating the CIA’s clandestine mischief in the Mideast. ”

    Surprising that Joe Kennedy would be named to such a committee in light of his reputation as an anti-Semite.

  10. djm 说:

    So

    No mention of Joes liquor connections during Prohibition, dealings with individuals linked to US organised crime & stock market manipulation & insider trading ?

    • 同意: Druid
  11. Observator 说:

    感谢这篇优秀的文章。 作为爱尔兰裔美国人,乔·肯尼迪对英帝国主义没有同情心,他认为德国应该给这个破败的帝国一个很好的教训,那就是无缘无故地开始另一场毁灭性的欧洲战争。 丘吉尔和罗斯福都鄙视他,并把他排除在外交圈之外。

    有一个与切尔西曼宁不同的告密者揭露了罗斯福和丘吉尔之间的秘密和非法通信。 他的名字是泰勒·肯特 (Tyler Kent),一位年轻的密码文员,驻扎在美国驻伦敦大使馆,美国驻欧洲使团的外交信件通过该大使馆发送到华盛顿。 肯特很快了解到,罗斯福正在竭尽全力颠覆法律并欺骗人民,以便让美国陷入战争。 肯特决定制作记录罗斯福秘密政策的外交快讯的副本或摘要,并以某种方式引起富有同情心的国会议员和参议员的注意。 肯特于 1940 年 XNUMX 月在任职期间被捕,被控违反英国官方保密法。 他被判处七年监禁,但在服刑五年后被释放并返回美国。 罗斯福政权暗示他是德国的间谍,而不是美国的英雄。

    肯尼迪和他的兄弟小乔都是美国第一委员会的成员。 Gerald Ford、未来的 SCOTUS 法官 Potter Stewart 和其他许多人也是如此,包括未来的 CBS 记者 Eric Sevareid,他总结了年轻美国人对 FDR 正在策划的战争的感受,“我们开始憎恨‘爱国主义’这个词,我们认为这是贬低的,一种廉价的奖章,用来装饰和证明尸体。”

    当查尔斯·林德伯格要求罗斯福结束他的密室阴谋时,他代表了大多数美国人。 他在 11 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日强有力的得梅因演讲中确定了自己的命运,在演讲中他勇敢地陈述了这个令人不快的真相:“推动这个国家走向战争的三个最重要的群体是英国人、犹太人和罗斯福政府。 在这些群体的背后,但不那么重要的是一些资本家、亲英人士和知识分子,他们相信他们的未来和人类的未来取决于大英帝国的统治。 再加上几周前反对干预的共产主义团体,我相信我已经列出了这个国家的主要战争煽动者。” 在此之后,他成为了不受欢迎的人。 罗斯福甚至命令国税局审计和骚扰他,就像他对芝加哥论坛报的麦科马克上校和其他批评他的政策的报纸编辑所做的那样。

    美国历史学家哈里·埃尔默·巴恩斯 (Harry Elmer Barnes) 认为,如果不是罗斯福的干预,1939 年的战争本可以避免。 他写道:“的确,有相当确凿的证据表明,要不是罗斯福先生对英国、法国和波兰施加压力,以及他在 1939 年 1939 月之前对他们的承诺,特别是对英国的承诺,以及他的代理人挑衅者威廉 C 的不负责任的滑稽动作。 . 布利特,XNUMX 年可能不会有世界大战,或者,也许在此后的很多年里。”

    我也清楚地记得肯尼迪被杀的那一天。 未来的历史将承认他是美国共和国的最后一位总统。 紧随其后的是一连串的小丑和罪犯,假装民主取代了真正的民主,尝试和失败,成为真正属于人民、为人民服务、为人民服务的民主制度。

  12. anon[187]• 免责声明 说:
    @djm

    Did that hurt America ? Did his dealings destroy American future ,?Did it lead to rise of another nation at a cost to America?

    Your circling back to old tidbits of infamy looks like an attempt at gaslighting . It is like trying to undermine the achievment of Newton with stories sbout his faith in alchemy or preoccupation with anti – Christ Pope .

    • 回复: @Anon
  13. Anon[146]• 免责声明 说:

    在这里,我们有经典的中央情报局虚假信息作为客观的外国舆论。

    Joe Kennedy pissed off the Izzies. Of course he did, any decent human being will piss off that psychotic genocidal death cult. GHW Bush helped the Third Reich too, but they didn’t kill his kid, they didn’t even detour his kid into the drink on Martha’s Vineyard. Not even after Poppy pissed the Izzies off again as POTUS. Why not?

    看看区别。 肯尼迪是和平主义者。 布什在资助战争。 是谁用战争来补充他们的贿赂资金? 中央情报局。

    Guyenot 有一个技巧,他一遍又一遍地尝试。 摩萨德和中央情报局之间没有白天,他们是 Chang-and-Eng 连体双胞胎。 因此,Guyenot 只关注以色列,而忽略了中央情报局。 没有客观的研究人员会这样做。

    这不是兰利,劳伦特,这里有聪明人。

    • 巨魔: Emblematic
  14. Anonymous[901]• 免责声明 说:
    @djm

    What group of people from those alleged activities would Joe have angered to such an extent for his sons to reap their wraith for four generations?

  15. Superstitious ((Jews)) and their self-fulfilling curses — all predictive programming by the Judeofascist rabbis and totalitarian neocon gurus in control of the corrupt left.

    These Judefascists were born to infiltrate and betray humanity for their own reptillian self-advancement.

    They’ve done it over and over. So far no one has been able to stop the Serpent, only temporarily slow it down. JFK was barely a speed bump. Hitler was maybe a roadblock.

    • 同意: Druid
  16. Wyatt 说:

    从历史意义的角度来看,约翰和罗伯特肯尼迪可以被视为一个人被杀两次。

    要是泰德也是这样就好了。 他们唯一做对的事情就是想在迪莫纳检查以色列的核武器。 这就是让他们被雇佣的原因。

    很好地摆脱了爱尔兰垃圾。 我们只能猜测如果尼克松在自由号航母上的罢工期间负责,事情会如何发展,但我认为 Tricky Dick 比那个油腻的混蛋 LBJ(被选中为歹徒)在包皮儿童接触者攻击标记的美国船只上。

    https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/educational-resources/nixon-the-jews-are-born-spies

    14 发子弹(13 发子弹容量为 8 发),2 人死亡。 不如林肯,但比加菲猫好。

    • 回复: @S
    , @Montefrío
  17. anon[260]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    A Kennedy still a thorn in the side of monsters:

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/

    RFK, Jr. fights Covid BS, vaxxines, Gates, Fauxi, harm to children.

    5ds

    • 同意: Getaclue, InnerCynic, Nancy
  18. Neuday 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    但你是第一个把他、约瑟夫·肯尼迪和犹太人联系起来的人吗? 如果你是,这是一部了不起的侦探作品。 即使您不是,也非常感谢您引起人们对这种非凡的“巧合”的关注。

    几年前,我读了 1976 年出版的“一个叫无畏的人”,我想。 威廉史蒂芬森和“野人比尔”多诺万以及当时还是婴儿的 OSS 直接在罗斯福、丘吉尔和其他支持战争的英国人之间工作,并在国务院和乔肯尼迪周围工作。 这本书虽然没有明确命名犹太人,但包含了足够多的犹太人名字,很明显双重国籍(((美国人)))和犹太人的利益正在扮演罗斯福的角色。 美国人民的意志被他们的总统颠覆,目的是让美国卷入二战。

    这本书是 1970 年代的畅销书,当时选民还没有变得如此厚颜无耻。 读起来真是让人大开眼界。 那里没问题,但显然 70 年代没有人把这些点联系起来。

    • 谢谢: Verymuchalive, Bubba
  19. Anonymous[410]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    GHW Bush helped the Third Reich too, but they didn’t kill his kid, they didn’t even as POTUS. Why not?

    Jesus Christ on a bicycle, read a book once in a while, won’t you? And yes, in your case comic books count. He somehow helped the Nazis by flying in the Pacific Theater?

    跟我说:

    普雷斯科特·布什
    普雷斯科特·布什
    普雷斯科特·布什
    普雷斯科特·布什
    普雷斯科特·布什

    Learn it. Know it. Live it.

    这不是兰利,劳伦特,这里有聪明人。

    Not going to ask you who they are, that’s for sure.

    “The truth is exactly the opposite.” This I think is the key sentence and the key concept in this article.

    • 哈哈: Montefrío
  20. anon[425]• 免责声明 说:

    Apple did not fall far . Did it ?

    .

    “The Case for Bombing Iran
    If the ayatollahs acquire nuclear weapons, it will be too late—and too costly—to act.”
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/norman-podhoretz/the-case-for-bombing-iran/

  21. anonymous[139]• 免责声明 说:

    Chamberlain has been the victim of a long running vilification campaign regarding his supposed appeasement. He was trying to point Germany eastward against the USSR by placating them in the west, giving up concessions for areas Britain didn’t own anyway. He was doing what was good for his own country. Yet all the critics keep harping that they and others didn’t fight and die hard enough. The critics have never fought anyone themselves but want others to do so.

  22. Curmudgeon 说:
    @john cronk

    The problem is, of course, that Israel has no declared borders.

    • 回复: @john cronk
  23. S 说:
    @Wyatt

    We can only guess at how things would have turned out if Nixon was in charge during the strike on the USS Liberty…

    可能与尼克松没有太大不同。

    1967 年,有 XNUMX 名收集情报的水手死于自由号。

    In April, 1969, under Nixon’s watch, the North Koreans without provocation murdered 31 US servicemen in a single incident, when they shot down one of our planes over international waters.

    与自由号一样,其中大部分是收集情报的水手。

    Nixon did…nothing.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_EC-121_shootdown_incident

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  24. dearieme 说:

    “英国严格限制犹太人移民到巴勒斯坦”:没错,但她签发的签证比以往任何时候都多。 换句话说,这些限制是名义上的:它们从未适用。

    文明的城市德国犹太人大概不想生活在遥远的沙漠边缘,与可能会憎恨他们的人在一起。 只有事后诸葛亮才说他们错了。

    • 哈哈: Pheasant
  25. Anon[311]• 免责声明 说:

    Anonymous 19, GHW was a valued colleague of Nazis. He hid them from all war crimes tribunals. I recited Prescott Bush’s name five times. Now you recite Reinhard Gehlen’s name. Read a book, for fuck’s sake. The Devil’s Chessboard, frinstance.

    Just like JFK, GHW was a chip off the old block. Both patriarchs sought friendly relations with the German nation – one for peace, and one for war. One got his kids killed. One got his kids elected.

    Say it with me – (I’m using my extra comprehensible sing-song voice!)

    中央情报局和摩萨德合作
    中央情报局和摩萨德合作
    中央情报局和摩萨德合作
    中央情报局和摩萨德合作
    中央情报局和摩萨德合作

    • 回复: @jim bob beers
  26. Franz 说:

    可以说,如果肯尼迪还活着,今天就不会有强制性的大屠杀宗教。

    这与他那个时代的流行邪教历史不谋而合。

    在电影、舞台和小说中,通常在战争之后的“正常化”过程正在启动,从 50 年代中期开始。 作为流行音乐,我们必须包括诸如 James Michener 之类的遗物 再见 和可怕的 秋月的茶馆 至于日本人。

    一部 XNUMX 年代的德国电影在黄金时段的电视上播放,在肯尼迪的岁月里没有任何抗议。 它被称为 并将战争的最后几天视为悲剧,随着美国人向城镇推进,老人和孩子们试图保持战略桥梁完好无损。 看到美国大兵被描绘成非常消极的一面有点令人震惊,但据了解,他们是电影《坏人》。 一部有趣的战后电影。

    到70年代,日本关系完全正常化。 但是德国人已经退化为他们在战时宣传片中所扮演的可笑的坏“纳粹”。 有一些无意中有趣的(来自巴西的男孩)但很明显,德国人已经被提升为永远的恶棍,与普通白人并没有特别落后。

    我从未在大屠杀理论中考虑过肯尼迪的角度,但这是有道理的。 盖耶诺特先生似乎像一位经验丰富的探险家一样了解这片领土。

    • 谢谢: Bubba
  27. Franz 说:
    @Anon

    here is no daylight between Mossad and CIA, they are Chang-and-Eng Siamese twins. So Guyenot fixates on Israel and ignores CIA.

    He “fixates” on the boss and ignores the flunky, sure. Why do you think JFK hated the CIA so much? He might not have known they were Mossad West but he sure knew they weren’t working for him.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  28. SafeNow 说:

    In the superb movie “Night Moves,” Gene Hackman is asked “Where were you when Kennedy was killed? He replies, “Which one?”

    I was in high school when John was assassinated. In the H.S. basement, at rifle practice. (I was on the rifle team.) We finished practice, came upstairs, and were told an assassin had shot JFK with a rifle.

    JFK’s assassination was probably the turning-point event in recent U.S. history. If he had not been killed, one can imagine the cascade that might have followed. No Vietnam War, no loss of faith in government, no “con style” as the emergent leadership style.

    • 同意: Skeptikal
    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Bookish1
  29. Anonymous[901]• 免责声明 说:
    @Franz

    here is no daylight between Mossad and CIA

    You can’t even properly quote the statement you’re debunking. How do you expect to be taken seriously?

    • 回复: @Franz
  30. S 说:
    @anon

    Kennedys were thorns in the sides.

    Speaking of which, I wonder if the famous movie linked below was a jab, perhaps a bit unconsciously, at the Kennedy family.

    The movie tells the story of a rich and powerful Catholic family dynasty and its patriarch, who having been appointed US ambassador to the UK, has finally ‘arrived’. The ambassador and his beautiful wife have a son (adopted) with aspirations for the presidency of the United States.

    In the movie the son is in reality the spawn of Satan.

    Dark forces are shown to be at work, and one by one the members of this powerful family dynasty, including the family patriarch, and anyone who gets close to this cursed family besides, die prematurely and unnaturally in freak accidents, pre-mature heart attacks, and ‘suicides’, etc.

    Ultimately, the family dynasty is utterly destroyed, and the aspirations for the US presidency come to naught.

    The Thorns, as ‘Thorn’ is indeed the family sirname in this series of movies, are removed with extreme prejudice.

    It’s a good thing nothing like this ever happens in real life.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omen

  31. Franz 说:
    @Anonymous

    You can’t even properly quote the statement you’re debunking.

    The “t” went missing. Apart from, it was a comment of its own not debunk. The CIA, Mossad, etc, all comprise a club and we ain’t in it, not much to debunk.

  32. “Ship them to Africa”.

    Why would Jews regard that as a bad thing?

    After all, Jews say whites suck and blacks are wonderful. So, why not remove Jews from whites and place them with blacks?

    Also, Jews say Immigration Is Great. Well, then Jews should keep immigrating. They immigrated to America, so why not immigrate once again to Africa?

    Don’t Jews love blacks? Don’t Jews want to be around blacks? Aren’t blacks the most wonderful people, the kind you want as your neighbors and fellow countrymen?
    Jews push blackness as redemption for whites. Apparently, blackness has magical qualities that can heal the sickness of whiteness.
    Well, lowlife whites don’t deserve such magic and wonder. They are unworthy. Because Jews are so wonderful themselves, they deserve the full dose of magical blackness. Jewish magic and black magic together.

    People like Tim Wise who always rags on evil whitey should prepare to move away from white nations. Go to Africa and be with wonderful blacks.

    Funny that Jews say blackness is so wonderful but take umbrage at the idea of being separated from whiteness and united with blackness.

  33. The father-son photo hit me like a brick, bringing to mind a surge of horrible memories beginning with IKE’s warning about the MICC (a deletion of “congressional”) this rewording suggested by his advisors. A devastating reminder to me, as if I’m watching a movie running wild on the reel. The murder of RFK, then came Chappaquiddick, Ted Kennedy , the third and last hope to steer our nation away from global domination via the machinery of war. The Kennedy murders were in fact, the proverbial fork in the road; Will the future be global democracy or a corporate fascist oligarchy running our world? Well, we all know what happened-the devil won. JFK proposed a Marshal Plan for third world countries without any strings attached, in the hope that people everywhere would willingly follow the example of a City on the Hill, reaching out for the USA vision, attaching themselves to “the tail of our kite” JFK’s (1959) speech. After the Kennedy murders, the U.S. headed towards global domination via a continuous expansion of the machinery of war. This devilry continued with GLADIO in Europe and South America, the assassination of a popular German Banker, Alfred Herrhausen. His murder coincided with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Herrhausen announced his intention to give a speech in NYC titled: The New Horizon’s of Europe, the first eleven pages of this speech were stolen by the same element that killed our leaders. An educated guess would be, that those pages contained a proclamation, announcing the gradual economic integration with what was then the USSR. In effect Germany’s Belt and Road Initiative… This concept was in direct opposition to The World Bank, IMF and various Western Occident Intel agency plans, for manipulating currencies and restricting loans to third world peoples. A stratagem consistently used over many years plying the black arts of murder, corruption, bribery, union busting and election fraud. A fixated ideology aimed at domination and control of everything, from raw commodities to cultures, labor law and the economic enslavement of third world countries. Remember folks, this entire global oppression began with the Kennedy murders…..Never forget this, I won’t !!

    • 谢谢: St-Germain
    • 回复: @MarkinPNW
  34. john cronk 说:

    罗恩,是否有机会使用算法将回复直接放在他们正在回复的评论下方? 这对理解和影响非常有帮助。

    • 不同意: Abdul Alhazred
    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  35. An old attempt to reference Jewish Journals almost bragging about Johnson’s Jewish ancestry to wiki resulted in the articles being pulled. Now you can only read though wayback.org. Here is one of two articles. Kennedy and USS Liberty are better understood if Johnson’s lineage is better understood.

  36. Here is a second article that was sent directly to the memory hole (lucky for the way back machine) when trying to use to update wiki about Johnson’s Jewish lineage and benofactors

  37. Schuetze 说:

    Reading about “The Umbrella Man” at Dealy Plaza, I was reminded of the Antifa protests over George Floyd’s fatal overdose of Fenatyl. In a few of these “protests”, right before the rioters go berserk, there is some kind of a provocateur who is carrying a black umbrella who initiates the vandalism and looting. Here is one example, but there were multiple instances:

    At the time, I recall reading about the umbrella having to do with Masonic Rituals. Here is all that I can find 联系:

    The Monarch Mind Control Symbols: The Umbrella, Rainbow, Birdcage, and Butterfly

    In a full Monarch Mind Control (MMC) method, a combination of occult rituals, psychology and neuroscience are used to create an alter ego in the desired subject. The subject is termed as ‘slave’, and the one controlling is termed as the ‘handler’. It is believed that these ‘slaves’ are used by the Illuminati elite to deliver messages, rituals, performances etc.

    So it is possible that the umbrella was there to trigger some kind of manchurian candidate, or candidates, or perhaps Kennedy’s secret service guards, or even Kennedy himself.

    In the book Mary’s Mosaic, about the murder of Mary Meyer, wife of high level CIA official Cord Meyer, there are allegations that Meyer had taken LSD with JFK, and the claim is made that that turned JFK onto hippy style “peace and love”. There can be no doubt but that LSD was already being used as the CIA MKUltra mind control drug of choice.

    [更多]

  38. @anon

    All enough to earn the Zionazis undying enmity ‘..down to the third generation’.

    • 回复: @Schuetze
  39. @SafeNow

    The JFK hit was the beginning of a great civil war in the US and Western secret states, one that rolls on to today. Now vastly more complicated by the rise of Zionazi control of the West, the rise of China, Russia’s rebirth and the ecological collapse. Oops-I forgot economic implosion that began in 1971 with the ‘temporary’ abrogation of a gold standard.

  40. @S

    Less than two decades before the USA had murdered four million Koreans. Tiny little tit for gargantuan tat.

  41. gotmituns 说:

    In the 1930’s, Joe Kennedy knew Hitler was a good man. Afterwards, his son, John/Jack knew it too. The reason JFK was killed was he said he wasn’t going to allow us to get involved in Vietnam and was going to pull all our advisers out. Plus, JFK also knew Hitler was a good man.

  42. Mevashir 说:

    除了少数语法错误外,这篇文章内容丰富且写得很好。 感谢您帮助揭开肯尼迪诅咒的神秘面纱。

    他的外交策略包括说服英国人德国是不可战胜的,美国不会加入战斗,因此英国人最好与德国达成协议,德国的领土主张无论如何都是合理的。

    This paragraph demonstrates the flaw in Joseph Kennedy’s reasoning. He wasn’t truly pro peace but rather he was intimidated and even impressed by German military might.

    有趣的是,20 世纪最受犹太人憎恨的三个人都姓约瑟夫:约瑟夫·肯尼迪、约瑟夫·戈培尔和约瑟夫·斯大林。 我曾经推测,这与圣经中被兄弟们憎恨的约瑟夫有关。 在基督教神学中,约瑟象征着非犹太信徒,他们在世俗上的成功常常超过犹地亚人,并激起他们的嫉妒。

    约瑟夫也是被他的兄弟出卖给罗马人的耶稣的象征。 我希望在犹太人对耶稣的态度方面,约瑟夫的选举改善了,这是甚至包括纳粹的救世主,甚至是纳粹的终极犹太敌人。

    我还认为,约瑟夫·肯尼迪一直担心温斯顿·丘吉尔会发动假旗式的攻击来挑起美国代表英国参战,这一点很了不起。

    • 回复: @Minnesota Mary
  43. anon[294]• 免责声明 说:

    The murder of Forrestal, JFK, Robert K., and perhaps others might explain why our christian leaders are loath to restrain the only-democracy-in-the-middle-east

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  44. Schuetze 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Jewish Kommisars would haul entire families off to the gulag for simple crimes like being “Bourgeoisie” or “Intelligensia” during the period of the “workers paradise” in the USSR. Somewhere I read that if someone was caught in possession of the Protocols of Zion, they and the 10 closest members of the family would be executed, usually after horrible tortures.

    赚取 锡安纳兹人 undying enmity

    The cognitive dissonance is very strong in this one. It was the Nazi’s who tried to free all of Europe from this scourge, and ended up on the receiving end of eternal Jewish lust for revenge. Clearly you are as unable to wrap your pea-brain around that concept as you are unable to wrap your pea-brain around that reality that any Talmudist group of people who are so depraved would not think twice about using Weather Modification technology to frighten useful idiots into believing that the planet was about to melt.

    • 同意: Arthur MacBride
    • 巨魔: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 回复: @Malla
  45. Hyper Bole 说:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    朱迪斯·瓦里·贝克 (Judyth Vary Baker) 的《我和李》是一本可能会吸引 XNUMX 岁孩子的书。

    • 回复: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  46. Anonymous[317]• 免责声明 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Not darts, not a “signature.” Kennedy was killed by gunshots, not darts, from four or more positions in the Dal-Tex building and the Grassy Knoll. The black umbrella suddenly opening above the heads was a visual signal to synchronize the sets of assassins (shooter, spotter) to shoot at the same time. The Hispanic “Walky Talky Man” was a radio coordinater. Both “Umbrella Man” and “Walky Talky Man” sat together and talked afterwards, leaving in different directions slowly at the same time. The Zapruder Film, with the road sign blocking the view of the actual shooting, was a deliberate, controllable, disinformation tool.

    • 同意: Bert
    • 谢谢: Arthur MacBride
  47. … he promised a bombshell that would “put twenty-five million Catholic voters behind [Republican candidate] Wendell Willkie to throw Roosevelt out.”

    Yes (sigh), what a pity he didn’t follow through on that.

    Thank you for this history, LG.
    I didn’t know about Umbrella Man, possibly just a bonehead dupe who thinks that “having his say” in matters involving the murders of hundreds of millions of innocents is more important than those lives … maybe something a lot more sinister.

    Thank you for details of JK’s letter of friendship to Joseph Chamberlain, an unsung hero who did his best swimming against the Hyena-inspired/paid-for tide, today a figure of contempt and derision thanks to the same Hyena and its paid lackeys.

    Americans may wish to reflect that once they had patriots like the Kennedeys, Charles Lindbergh, James Forrestal and today they have Joe Biden …
    And the zio-freemason Hyena.

    • 回复: @Arthur MacBride
  48. Cking 说:

    在这些历史叙述中总是一个大漏洞。 如果不将美联储/华尔街/罗斯福支持的苏联俄罗斯权力置于我们的视野中,那么描述所有西方/纳粹的政治和好战阴谋是没有意义的。 法国害怕布尔什维克驱动的“解放”红军,已经在波兰,比纳粹更害怕他们所到之处审判牧师和主教,并允许德国军队进入并保卫法国以面对世界布尔什维克红军统治。 二战仍然是一个巨大的 PsyOp,尚未被发现。 丘吉尔、英帝国主义、罗斯福、共产主义者和联邦储备银行的成员都深陷其中。

  49. “And it is easy to imagine that, had John survived and been reelected in 1964, Robert, with John’s support and under his watch, could have inherited the White House. We may ponder what the world would be like today had there been Kennedys in the White House until 1976.”

    Why stop at 1976? We could imagine Teddy taking over from Bobby all the way to 1984 thus eliminating cowboy Reagan and the country boy Carter. Indeed, the world might have been different.

  50. @Observator

    当查尔斯·林德伯格要求罗斯福结束他的密室阴谋时,他代表了大多数美国人。 他在 11 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日强有力的得梅因演讲中决定了自己的命运,他在演讲中勇敢地说出了这个令人不快的真相。”

    Lindbergh 的小儿子被绑架并杀害,结果却让深州联邦调查局将罪行归咎于一位名叫 Hauptmann 的德国移民,这绝非巧合. 这是任何蔑视 WASP/犹太机构政治的人的命运。 许多天主教徒是深州的荆棘,在肯尼迪家族和詹姆斯福雷索尔成为等待他们的血腥命运的一个典型例子之后,最驯服的将是天主教徒反对其犯罪活动。

    • 同意: Cking, Bert
    • 回复: @Steve Naidamast
  51. @djm

    If you compare the way Joseph Kennedy made his fortune to most American dynastic families, Joseph Kennedy would appear like a Boy Scout.

  52. Those that ordered JFK’s and RFK’s deaths, including LBJ, never fought in war nor did their children nor will any of their descendants ever fight in war. JFK was anti war and anti Federal Reserve. According to these powers he had to go. I’d bet Eisenhower even quietly rejoiced on Nov 22, 1963.

  53. Emslander 说:
    @Observator

    I was a junior in a Christian Brothers high school, a Catholic school, on the day of Kennedy’s assassination. It was a moment of unique reflection. Our teacher, a Christian Brother and a dignified intellectual scientist, looked out at us, when the news was broadcast over the intercom, like the world had returned sadly to its normal horrors.

    My father and JFK were the same age. They’d both served in the Pacific and had both been permanently disabled in the war. My father had died in 1962, almost exactly a year prior, of the effects of his wartime disability. I had grown familiar with the grim reality of human vulnerability.

    In Guyenot’s excellent article, you have to notice the consistent intellectual approach of the father and son Kennedys and their acute awareness of their places in history. If Roosevelt and Churchill had been so aware, they would have acted much differently, I believe. I suppose it ought to be noted that the most important of Adolph Hitler’s qualities was his acute awareness of his place in history.

    Joseph Biden is the second Roman Catholic in the office of the Presidency. I won’t say he was elected, because it is clear that he wasn’t. Questions surround the close election of JFK, exactly 60 years earlier, but they revolve around the effect on California voters of JFK’s apparent wins in Illinois and Texas before those West Coast polls closed. The assertion of the fraudulent election of Kennedy is pretty tenuous. It’s assertion in relation to Biden is much less so. This is just an aside.

    My point is that our country has become a screaming madhouse in comparison to 1960. Kennedy followed Eisenhower in the presidency. Biden followed Trump. The latter pair have got to be two of the strangest men ever to have held high office anywhere on earth. I’d judge them both to be blithering idiots. The former pair have to be two of the most accomplished men of their time or of any time, anywhere.

    Thank you for this article. I don’t know whether the Jews have the capacity to shape history as effectively as you imply, but the forces of evil certainly found plenty of people to cooperate in the corruption of what was a pretty decent country in 1960.

  54. Bookish1 说:
    @SafeNow

    What do you mean no Vietnam? JFK had already gotten us into that war at the time he was assacinated.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  55. LondonBob 说:

    Umbrella man was Roy Hargraves, his brother in arms on the radio was Felipe Vidal Santiago. Jack Ruby was the only link Mossad had to the actual mechanics of the assassination, and even there you could pin it on the mafia, no way they put some out there like that. Colonel John Hughes-Wilson says assassinations often require a close in spotter team, which is what Santiago and Hargraves were.

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
    , @Sparkon
  56. @Carlton Meyer

    In as much as I loathe Roosevelt, can we give the man the credit for trying to finish off the European Imperial system in favour of a world based on international law?

    There is no denying that the prime instigator of WWII was Roosevelt who made good use of Churchill’s megalomania in order to pit European powers into a self destructive process. However, the death of FDR right after the end of the war puts a question mark on his next move had he lived. According to Matthew Ehret, FDR was the sworn enemy of the City of London bankers and foiled their plan for world hegemony in the thirties the same way that he introduced the Glass Steagall Act that split investment banking from commercial banking. Then, the Rhode Scholar Bill Clinton abrogated the Glass Steagall act only to give us the Too Big To Fail Banks. Would the United States have acted under FDR’s fourth term as China is acting today through the BRI initiative, by seeking worldwide developmental growth among the nations of the world under a system of equal nations under international law. There is no denying that Truman was the Zionist Bankers’ man who wasted all of the sacrifices of WWII by putting the bankers back in the driver’s seat.

    JFK got assassinated before he could rekindle what Lincoln sought to achieve, basically cooperation and peace among nations rather than unrestrained confrontation and exploitation of the weak by the mighty.

  57. (((他们)))拥有我们,并且拥有了很长时间。 记在心上。

    • 同意: Pierre de Craon
  58. @Arthur MacBride

    letter of friendship to Joseph Chamberlain,

    ** Neville Chamberlain**

    Sorry, Mr Chamberlain, and Respects to you.

    “More Haste, Less Speed”.

  59. Emslander 说:
    @Joe Levantine

    In as much as I loathe Roosevelt, can we give the man the credit for trying to finish off the European Imperial system in favour of a world based on international law?

    No, that was Wilson in WWI and it was not a good thing. I’d pick Monarchy over mayhem any day of the week.

    • 回复: @Joe Levantine
  60. @Franz

    A German film from the fifties played on prime time television with no protest during JFK’s years. It was called The Bridge …

    Here it is (98 minutes) with English subtitles, although I don’t think it will work in the US:

    应该在美国使用的德语字幕版本:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-z0-dFst4c&ab_channel=theoboks

    • 回复: @Arthur MacBride
  61. Kennedy hated both England and Israel – the perfect ambassador to London. Bravo !!

    He also pioneered the elevation of a Catholic President thru the Holy miracle of voter fraud. Bravo !!

    With most of the SCOTUS being Roman, plus most of the FBI, CIA and Washington’s Praetorian Guard – when Angela Merkel is replaced by Armin Laschet – 6 of the G7 leaders will be Roman – plus von der Leyen and Charles Michel ….

    Setting the stage nicely for Armageddon. Bravo !!

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Hibernian
  62. @Emslander

    The late Benjamin Freedman can help explain to you the power of the Jews. Yes they often shape and rewrite history for their purposes. They play the victims all the time. Took me many years to understand and Mr Freedman helped me learn.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Benjamin+Freedman+1961+Speech&&view=detail&mid=84E87367BBF3E76F980E84E87367BBF3E76F980E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DBenjamin%2BFreedman%2B1961%2BSpeech%26FORM%3DVDMHRS

  63. Soon America will be a Holy Land like Paraguay where the middle class, honest money, schools, hospitals, hygiene and law enforcement are unnecessary.

    It is good that Washington DC has so many key players loyal to the One Holy Apostolic Church – that made Bolivia and Paraguay into those ‘shining cities on a hill’ and inspired the youthful morality of Dr. Tony Fauci, Rodrigo Borgia, Jim Comey, Dr Josef Mengele, John Brennan, Carlos The Jackal, Samantha Power, Hugo Chavez, Joe Biden, Al Capone, Nancy Pelosi, Adolf Hitler, John Roberts and Che Guevara.

    Washington isn’t suddenly guarded by Praetorians or Swiss Guards. No, this isn’t 1930s Spain, Croatia, Germany, Austria, Italy or Ireland. No – John Kerry and Sam Power aren’t facilitating a ‘final solution’ with nuclear Iran and an invasion of Russia isn’t imminent.
    好样的!!

  64. I have started to pray to the Holy preserved Tongue & Jaw Of Saint Anthony Of Padua and Saint Clare of Montefalco’s Fingernails And Hair Clippings – two of the most powerful relics in the Catholic treasury of credit. My prayers are being greatly boosted by their efficacious intercession !! Good times await, I’m sure.

    • 回复: @Montefrío
  65. @for-the-record

    Here it is (98 minutes) with English subtitles, although I don’t think it will work in the US:

    If not, this (deutsch/eng subtitel) might work better —

    https://www.veoh.com/watch/v19797614cX3pYcwH

  66. @Emslander

    Sorry the entire link didn’t make it on my reply. Just Google or Bing or any server “Benjamin Freedman’s speech at the Willard hotel in 1961.” Keep trying as many have been removed.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  67. @LondonBob

    你写了:

    ‘Jack Ruby was the only link Mossad had to the actual mechanics of the assassination’.

    Well ….. NO …. actually.

    The links between the Apartheid Israeli state/Mossad/Zio complicity are too numerous to itemise.
    I suggest you read ‘Final Judgement’ by Michael Collins Piper and that will fill you in.

    For the sake of brevity, I’ll mention just two.

    The CIA has, since its inception, worked in lockstep with the Mossad. In fact the CIA is controlled and accountable to the same Zio-Usury Banking Cartel puppet masters that control the entirety of the western financial system.

    And CIA Chief of CounterIntelligence in 1963 (James Angleton), has two statues honouring him in Israel for a reason.
    Because he was instrumental in JFK’s demise.

    Meanwhile, to the extent that the Mafia was involved in the assassination, one has to appreciate who was the head man.
    NO, Italians and Sicilians were no more than upper middle management.

    蛇的头是狂热的犹太复国主义者迈耶兰斯基。 因此,黑手党、黑手党或之前被错误标记的任何东西,实际上都是迈耶兰斯基犯罪集团。
    称它为 Kosher Nostra 同样合适。

    迈耶兰斯基与摩萨德和以色列人密切合作的历史悠久,甚至在此之前,可以追溯到英国巴勒斯坦托管的时代。

    • 谢谢: Peripatetic Itch
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  68. Charles 说:

    This is a fine essay. The Unz Review, with Ron’s American Pravda series and its links to books and articles, teaches that almost nothing we learned in school and Protestant church in the ’70s and ’80s was true; worse, much of it was not just demonstrably false, but designed to kill the Republic.

  69. Sparkon 说:
    @Bookish1

    No. It was Pres. Eisenhower who first got the U.S. involved in Vietnam by refusing to support the nationwide elections called for by the Geneva Accords after the defeat of the French at Dien Bien Phu in 1954, but some blame must also fall on Pres. Truman, who ignored Ho Chi Minh’s appeals for help from the United States in the late ’40s, and instead decided to support the French, financially and militarily, as that nation attempted to re-establish its colonial empire in SE Asia.

    By early Oct. 1963, Pres. Kennedy issued NSAM 263, which called for the withdrawal of virtually all U.S. forces from Vietnam by the end of 1965, with the first 1,000 pulling out by the end of 1963. In issuing NSAM 263, JFK was following the recommendations of his Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and his Chairman, JCS Maxwell Taylor, who’d been on a fact finding mission to Vietnam earlier in 1963.

    The planned Democratic party campaign slogan for 1964 was “Peace and Prosperity,” so I believe JFK was planning on using the first 1,000 man pullout from ‘Nam to underscore that theme during his campaign. By then, LBJ probably would have been in jail because of his close association with swindlers Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes.

    After Pres. Kennedy’s assassination, Pres. Johnson issued NSAM 273, which reversed Kennedy’s planned withdrawal. In the event, the first U.S. combat troops went ashore at Da Nang in March 1965.

    You should at least try to adhere to the spirit of your handle, and refer to a history book and dictionary before posting.

    • 谢谢: Mevashir, Joe Levantine
    • 回复: @Carlton Meyer
    , @gotmituns
  70. @Sparkon

    Good point. It was Eisenhower who created South Vietnam, as he openly stated that everyone knew Ho Chi Minh would easily win a national election. As the French departed Vietnam, the CIA took control and expanded its colonial army, flew in Diem from New Jersey and anointed him as President of what became known as South Vietnam, and refused to withdraw in 1956 as Ho Chi Minh was elected as leader of all of Vietnam. The CIA created the DMZ and had it’s media puppets complain whenever the Vietnamese Army (who they called “North Vietnam”) moved across its fictitious DMZ border to repel foreign invaders.

  71. gotmituns 说:
    @Sparkon

    Well said sir. If there is such a place as hell, I hope the piece of feces, LBJ is burning there.

  72. Randolph 说:
    @Verymuchalive

    This is the first time I had heard of the Umbrella Man.
    What struck me as I read this and saw the pictures of him – he was right next to JFK when he was shot – was that he was placed there to act as a focus point to coordinate the timing of the shooters…..
    So John would see the umbrella the moment he was murdered.

    • 回复: @Laurent Guyénot
  73. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    蛇的头是狂热的犹太复国主义者迈耶兰斯基。 因此,黑手党、黑手党或之前被错误标记的任何东西,实际上都是迈耶兰斯基犯罪集团。
    称它为 Kosher Nostra 同样合适。

    迈耶兰斯基与摩萨德和以色列人密切合作的历史悠久,甚至在此之前,可以追溯到英国巴勒斯坦托管的时代。

    在这本书中,兰斯基几乎承认了他在执行 JFK 中的作用:

    The most disappointing thing in his life was when Golda Meyer acceded to President Nixon’s demand to extradite Lansky from his Tel Aviv hideaway to face an IRS investigation back in Florida.

    1963 年中央情报局反情报局局长(詹姆斯安格尔顿)在以色列有两座雕像来纪念他,这是有原因的。 因为他在肯尼迪的灭亡中发挥了重要作用。

    That’s James JESUS Angleton.

    • 谢谢: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @bayviking
  74. Mevashir 说:
    @John Q Duped

    Sorry the entire link didn’t make it on my reply. Just Google or Bing or any server “Benjamin Freedman’s speech at the Willard hotel in 1961.” Keep trying as many have been removed.

  75. Mevashir 说:
    @Dodge City Pete

    With most of the SCOTUS being Roman, plus most of the FBI, CIA and Washington’s Praetorian Guard – when Angela Merkel is replaced by Armin Laschet – 6 of the G7 leaders will be Roman – plus von der Leyen and Charles Michel ….

    Wow. I knew SCrOTUS is 7/9 Roman but didn’t know about Europe. That’s just the way the VatyCan wants it: an EU under Pontifical control. Sort of a redone Holy Roman Empire!

  76. @Joe Levantine

    Very interesting stuff. Thanks sir.

    • 谢谢: Joe Levantine
  77. MarkinPNW 说:
    @elmerfudzie

    I wonder if it actually started with the McKinley murder, as it put the the pro British Empire faction of the US in charge. It was after that that the Russian-Japanese war, the Federal Reserve, and WW1 happened, all projects to strengthen the British Empire.

    • 同意: Cking
    • 回复: @elmerfudzie
  78. The Murder of JFK Jr., and his wife Carolyn Bessette and sister-in-law Lauren Bessette on 16 July 1999.

    … punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me …

    … links the “Kennedy curse” to Joe’s anti-Semitism …

    LG:

    “The “Kennedy curse” did run into the third generation and possibly the fourth, when John’s only son died in a suspicious plane accident on July 16, 1999, with his wife, possibly pregnant. ”

    The murder of John F Kennedy Jr and the Jewish Holocaust narrative : Anne Frank
    https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/murder_jfk_jr_anne_frank.html

    = 666 个月,666 周,666 天

    MG

  79. Just a couple of historical points I’d like to make which have no bearing on the veracity of the article.

    1) JFK, if he was a ordinary skipper of a PT boat would certainly have had a court martial for being derelict in duty and care of his men and his vessel. His super high speed PT 109 was cut in half by a Japanese destroyer while sitting still in foggy circumstances.

    No matter how you interpret this, this was a severe cock-up. That he helped pull some of the crewmen to safety given his own physical limitations in no way mitigates this. That he would receive serious awards and even eventually use PT109 tie clips in subsequent electioneering speaks to a cynical reality that he was party to. (As well as having Sorenson write his Nobel book).

    2) Charles Lindbergh was not shunned and cast aside after his efforts in trying to keep America out of a European war. After Pearl Harbour, he offered his flying services to the nation and had a very active role in the Pacific Theater for the duration of the conflict. He also had a very bizarre marital situation well after the war but that is another story.

    Added to which Old Joe was very far from being a stand up human being. I recall reading in what seemed like a credible book that LBJ, when still in Congress had come by to see Joe privately with a senator (Rayburn?) and because Joe wasn’t there at the moment they were sitting in the ante room drinking tea with Rose when Joe shows up, into his cups with a super young girl under his arm. They stumbled by all of them without so much as a ‘hello’ and went upstairs presumably for some other form of congress. I always loved this snippet because it shows the chasm between the truly moneyed and the whores that people elect.

    Of course the accumulation of such indignities would explain why Rose didn’t call an ambulance when Joe stroked out for those crucial hours when proper help might have helped minimize or even cure his disability. She went swimming instead I think.

    干杯-

  80. Agent76 说:

    19 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日 RFK JR。 为 RFK 的杀手命名

    小罗伯特·肯尼迪(Robert F. Kennedy Jr.)声称知道谁真正杀死了他的父亲,并且愿意证明这一点。



    视频链接

    Nov 24, 2013 Dark Legacy: George Bush And The Murder Of John Kennedy

    A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

  81. @Mevashir

    关于“约瑟夫”这个名字的另一个有趣的旁白。 ——教皇方济各宣布今年是圣约瑟夫年。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  82. 当然,如果 Dem-Daley-Chicago 机器没有在 1960 年的总统大选中在芝加哥进行大规模的投票欺诈,肯尼迪就会像他的弟弟泰迪一样结束他的政治生涯,泰迪是一位年老的参议员。

    • 不同意: Cking
    • 回复: @Cking
  83. The Anglo-Saxon ruling class of this great country was exploited by the Jew because he understood their great religious divide, i.e. Protestant vs. Catholic and used to his own benefit to the hilt. But now it doesn’t matter since both groups are sycophants to the Jewish supremacy.

    • 同意: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  84. @Franz

    与日本的关系通过电影《早饭》和《八月茶馆》等正常化。
    与此同时,德国人变成了永恒的恶棍。
    你认为这与谁拥有和经营好莱坞有关吗?

    • 回复: @Franz
    , @S
  85. @Anon

    There is no daylight between Mossad and CIA

    真实的陈述。

    • 同意: JamesinNM, Truth Vigilante
  86. @djm

    Smear smear smear.

    No connection at all with the matter under discussion — rather, a diversion from it.

    What does this suggest about the motives of the smearer?

    What does it tell us about his ethics?

  87. @Observator

    Herbert Hoover was another member of America First — and (I’m not positive but) I think he was also a member, with JPK, of that committee investigating CIA activities in the Middle East

  88. Jimmy1969 说:

    This article is complete rubbish. It is typical of many on here; a few interesting facts spun out with childlike generalizations and false conclusions. Joe Kennedy had no influence at all on the Presidency of JFK., and certainly not on RFK’s campaign. The father’s money helped in the beginning after WW2 to get JFK established but that is it. This Jewish stuff quoted here is total lunacy. Kennedy was a liberal Democrat and Jews voted for him in masse. JFK’s assassin was a lone disgruntled nut. RFK ironically was killed because he was out stumping for the Jewish vote and Sirhan’s relatives were previously wiped out in an Israeli bombing raid paid for by the US. Everything in this article is the work of an ignorant amateur silly little fool. Conspiracy nuts are a joke.

    • 哈哈: Mark Gobell
    • 巨魔: Mulga Mumblebrain
  89. @john cronk

    已经在那里回复评论了。 好吧,不适合没有单独鼠标的手机,但已经很棒了。 更多将是不必要的并发症。

  90. Joseph P. Kennedy is a fascinating and compelling character and a pivotal figure in 20th century American history and the transformation of the American republic into a planetary empire.

    There have been at least four biographies of Joseph P. Kennedy published. The latest and far the best is David Nasaw, The Patriarch: The Remarkable Life and Turbulent Times of Joseph P. Kennedy (New York, Penguin, 2012).

    In 2001 an edition of Joseph Kennedy’s letters and related documents was published edited by his (adoptive) grand-daughter Amanda Smith: Joseph P. Kennedy, Hostage To Fortune: The Letters of Joseph P. Kennedy, ed. Amanda Smith (New York, Viking, 2001). Besides copious selections from JPK’s letters and a few from his non-family correspondents, this includes a good number of letters to him from his wife Rose and many of his children, notably and at greater length, Joe, Jr., Kathleen (Kick), and JFK — also RFK.

    Smith also prints fairly extensive passages from his diary (also Rose’s) and excerpts from the “Diplomatic Memoir” — the memoir that Guyenot here calls “scurrilous” — on what basis is not clear. About this memoir, Smith writes (page numbers in brackets):

    Joseph P. Kennedy “documented his ambassadorship initially with an eye to his legacy for posterity, but eventually, as his relations with the administration deteriorated, his writings became an effort to detail what he felt was its dishonesty regarding the intervention abroad and misuse of its ambassador for his anticipated self-vindication.” [xxxv]

    “More than a decade after Ambassador Kennedy’s angry return from London, after his relationship with the president had ended in mutual recrimination, and after his eldest son had been lost in a war that he had devoted all of his energies to preventing the United States from entering, he would rework his account of the farewell meeting in Hyde Park for a third and final time. Between 1949 and 1955, under his supervision, his old friend and former SEC associate James Landis would refashion the ambassadorial diaries, diplomatic dispatches and correspondence into the memoir that the former ambassador had long intended to write [herein called the “Diplomatic Memoir”]. [225]

    “The manuscript would also chronicle the president’s quiet movement away from neutrality while the American public remained uninformed. Although never published, the completed ‘Diplomatic Memoir’ would highlight in particular the ideological rift that was to develop between the ambassador and the president over the issue of intervention. ‘Peace above all,’ the ambassador’s stand and the source, he felt, of much of the eventual public outcry against him, had not only been his unwavering conviction from the outset of his tenure in London, but also, he woud insist, his presidential mandate as well.” [226]

    “The ambassador was aware of the secret correspondence between the president and the first lord of the Admiralty that had begun in 1939, long before Churchill’s ascendancy to the post of prime minister, largely because it had fallen to him, as ambassador, to deliver and retrieve the exchanges.” [229]

    Regarding the Tyler Kent case, “Suspecting the American ambassador’s possible involvement in the passage of classified embassy documents (including the president’s and prime minister’s now-famous secret correspondence) to fifth columnists [sic] in London, M15 and Scotland Yard would delay for some months the arrest of the code clerk responsible in order to keep the American Embassy and its ambassador under surveillance.” [232]

    “By 1955 Landis had finished ghostwriting the diplomatic memoir that had been in the works in one form or another since 1938. The result chronicled not only the ambassadorship, but also presented an account of the president’s duplicity both to his ambassador and to the American people on the issue of neutrality.” [521]

    THIS MEMOIR MOST CERTAINLY SHOULD BE PUBLISHED AS A FUNDAMENTAL DOCUMENT OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

    Smith writes that there is no evidence to support the legend of his bootlegging [xx]. Claims otherwise in other books, when tracked to their putative sources, turn out to be “based” on claims made by unreliable interested parties.

    The three other biographies of Joseph P. Kennnedy are:

    Richard J. Whalen, The Founding Father: The Story of Joseph P. Kennedy (New York, New American Library, 1964). This was written while JFK was president and meant to be published during is administration. It is respectful, comparatively discrete and not bad under the circumstances. Page 388 prints a long discussion by JPK of Jews and Anti-semitism which JFK insisted be cut from another book which it was originally included in, slated for publication during the campaign. The statement is cogent, clear, unflinching. It scores activist Jews for using anti-semitism as a weapon and to force others to fight zionist battles instead of their own.

    David E. Koskoff, Joseph P. Kennedy, A Life and Times (Englewood Cliffs, NJ, Prentice-Hall, 1974): This is a hostile biography (the hostility veiled but plainly visible, like its philo-semitism) but it is dense with details, many intended by the author as damning (but only from his point of view). It’s “history” (sic) of WWII is the Shirer kind — philo-zionist pseudo-history.

    Ted Schwartz, Joseph P. Kennedy, The Mogul, The Mob, The Statesman, And The Making of an American Myth (Hoboken, John Wiley & Sons, 2003): This is a gross smear job by a Zio-Kennedy-hater. It contains lots of tabloid dirt not mentioned by Richard Whalen, not all of it mentioned by David Koskoff, and some of it possibly with a basis in fact.

    In any case David Nasaw’s biography supersedes all three of these — deeply researched and remarkably even-handed given the extreme propaganda of political opprobrium with which the ruling American Establishment targets its subject, his views, and the history in which he figures.

    • 谢谢: Arthur MacBride
  91. @Joe Levantine

    豪普特曼是他的商业伙伴犯罪的无辜受害者。 警方知道这一点,但不会公布他们掌握的可以为 Hauptmann 洗清罪名的证据。

    合伙人逃离美国去了欧洲,让豪普特曼为他拿着一个包装好的包裹,说他回来时会去取。 该包裹包含合作伙伴在投递地点捡到的赎金。

    • 谢谢: Joe Levantine
  92. 一篇很棒的文章……

    我只是希望作者没有猜测迪利广场的“伞人”。 没有任何证据表明任何事情,除了纯粹的巧合,无论其含义如何……

  93. lydia 说:

    I never knew this about Joseph Kennedy. thank you Please remember the Palestinians

    𝑯𝒂𝒔𝒔𝒂𝒎 𝑩𝒆𝒛𝒊𝒏𝒋𝒐ツ
    @MeerHassam6

    9年XNUMX月
    Save Pale-stine 🥀 Stop Avoiding This Hashtag #SavePalestine

    The destruction of silwan 45 seconds powerful vid

  94. Montefrío 说:
    @Wyatt

    “Good riddance to the Irish rubbish”, eh? What sort of trash might you be?

    Nixon, a president I supported, was no enemy of the Jews. As for LBJ, etc., ever since Oliver Cromwell sold England to the Jews, well the WASPs haven’t compiled a sterling record of staving off the looting of the country by themselves and their “allies”, shall we say.

    所有种族的东西都变得令人厌烦,没有人会被说服放弃他们的宠物偏见。

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  95. @anon

    Also, Gen. George Patton.

    • 回复: @Ktulu
  96. lydia 说:

    Zionist Persecution of Christians in the Holy Land
    DECEMBER 29, 2019 / A CITIZEN
    banksyx-mas

    [更多]

    O little town of Bethlehem
    How still we see thee lie
    Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
    The silent stars go by
    Yet in thy dark streets shineth
    The everlasting Light
    The hopes and fears of all the years
    Are met in thee tonight

    The modern day little town of Bethlehem, the place where Christ was born, is now Zionist Israeli occupied territory with a wall, guard towers, and machine gun and sniper nests along the perimeter. The mainstream media almost never talks about the fact that Israel heavily persecutes the Christian population in occupied Palestine like they do with the Muslims. To most American Christians, the Zionist State of Israel is sacred and is fighting a “righteous” war in “defense” of the Holy Land against Muslim terrorists and extremists.

    It is a little known fact that Palestine had a once sprawling Christian population that is now on the brink of total extermination under the Israeli occupation. Most Christian churches in America ignore these facts and their Zionist pastors have turned their backs on their Christian brethren in the Holy Land by actively supporting the Israeli military occupation. In fact, Robert Jeffress, megachurch pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, TX, recently stated, “If they [Palestinian Christians] do not want to continue to live under that arrangement [Israeli occupation and persecution], perhaps some need to go someplace else.” Robert Jeffress’ statement conveys the general attitude of most American Christians and their pastors regarding the Israeli occupation and persecution. They have rejected their Christian brethren in order to prop up and idolize the State of Israel.

    https://minutestomidnight.blog/2019/12/29/zionist-persecution-of-christians-in-the-holy-land/

    • 同意: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  97. Montefrío 说:
    @Dodge City Pete

    Just wait for the Rapture and all will be well! My guess is that your knowledge of Latin America would fit in the thimble you use for a condom.

  98. Franz 说:
    @TroothSeeker

    与日本的关系通过电影《早饭》和《八月茶馆》等正常化。
    与此同时,德国人变成了永恒的恶棍。
    你认为这与谁拥有和经营好莱坞有关吗?

    Lots. There was a great deal of Nippophilia going in in the fifties. Especially among the entertainment sector. By Kennedy’s term, a cartoon beatnik called “Suzuki Bean” made the rounds and the Zen going around various places was always the Japanese version.

    Were they getting ready to clobber the American worker with Japanese goods? No one can say for sure. But everyone knew that Japanese corporations got loans from the American banks at cheaper interest than any American company got.

    Germany rebuilt with trade credits too, but the idea was to make it the Golden Goose for the tribute Israel is pulling out of the Germans now. It looks like they don’t care if the goose dies anymore.

  99. Ktulu 说:

    The remaining question is: how did Irishmen in politics go from John and Robert Kennedy to Joe Biden and strung out anarchists? C’mon Micks, you know you’re better. We know you’re better.

    • 回复: @Dingo bay rum
    , @Hibernian
  100. Ktulu 说:
    @Carroll Price

    Let’s make a list of the Americans who were killed trying to right this ship of fools:
    约翰·肯尼迪
    罗伯特·肯尼迪
    乔治巴顿
    Admiral Forrestal
    乔治·洛克威尔
    Huey Long

    Keep it going.

    • 同意: JamesinNM
  101. Thompson apparently has a new (2021) book, Last Seconds in Dallas. I haven’t read it but searched the Amazon listing for “umbrella”. He talks about it in the preface; apparently it impressed a lot of people, like John Updike in the New Yorker. No reference to Chamberlain found, so I guess he still hasn’t made the connection.

    Thompson at the time of Six Seconds was a professor of philosophy. and had published a book on Kierkegaard. In 1976, he spoke at the Canadian Studies in Kierkegaard conference at my college. At a cocktail party afterward, he refused to discuss his paper, or anything on K. and only wanted to discuss the JFK assassination. People were not happy. According to Amazon, “in 1976 resigned his tenured professorship in philosophy to become a private investigator in San Francisco, developing a national reputation.” I guess he agreed to speak at the conference shortly before or after deciding on that, and wasn’t willing to talk about Kierkegaard again.

  102. About that picture…. was our first Catholic president a hair-sniffer, like our second? Is it a Catholic thing? In Jack’s case at least the feeling was mutual… I recall the old Irish women in my neighborhood all voted for JFK because “he had such nice hair.” No doubt that’s why he refused to wear a hat on that chilly inauguration day, setting the hatless style for men until the very present day.

  103. Bill Jones 说:
    @Right_On

    It worked the first time around.

  104. anon[143]• 免责声明 说:

    Am I the only person who couldn’t care less about the Kennedy’s?
    The Catholics have always hated the other break-away Christians who just don’t want to eat soylent-green from the manna machine to sustain themselves while they hike for 40 years in the desert in the desert to find Israel right next to Egypt. The Catholics are always leftist and according to them it was knowledge that got Adam and Eve expelled from the garden, yet knowledge is exactly what everyone desires and craves, the same knowledge that forced the woman to suffer in child birth and the man to toil forever on the land.
    I think the South Americans had one of the manna machines too, most people just think he was seated in a space ship. It always begs the question why all the texts were erased, but there is one where the Indians tell of the tall whites who they let rule for awhile then kill them, talk about a land of blood suckers.
    So the Catholics just eating that bread and drinking that stale juice-worshipping all things un-American.

    • 不同意: JamesinNM
    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  105. Skeptikal 说:

    I must say I am very surprised to see this very interesting speculation at the Unz Review!

    With its assumption that Kennedy really did want world peace.
    That idea and those expressing it have been roundly ridiculed here.

  106. Cking 说:
    @Wade Hampton

    Dem-Daley-Chicago 机器的指控是有道理的,但令人怀疑,为什么一直打击它,它没有发现杀害肯尼迪总统的阴谋集团。 至于泰德·肯尼迪,他从来没有和玛丽·乔·科佩奇尼一起在查帕奎迪克池塘里。 有问题的汽车驶离公路,进入冰冷、急流、无法游泳的“池塘”水中,在安定下来之前颠倒了。 车门将无法打开,前挡风玻璃会坍塌,碎玻璃碎片会在真空力的作用下冲入驾驶室和乘客室。 请注意,在“事故”前后,肯尼迪参议员经常被拍到,脸上没有划痕。 不,第二天早上 11 点后,在穿过酒店大堂,接受支持者和选区的问候后,肯尼迪参议员回到他的房间,在那里处理人员向他介绍了悲惨的消息、叙述和脖子支撑; 泰德知道正在发生的事情和所说的; 他拿起颈托,戴上,回到华盛顿为杀害他兄弟的人工作。

  107. Skeptikal 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    “As long as one doesn’t get into claims that Witt was himself actively a part of the assassination, then the thesis that Witt was placed there as a type of signature makes a lot of sense. ”

    Well, I don’t see any justification for setting a limit as to what Witt’s role might have been.
    Who “placed” him there?
    Did he place himself?
    Or was he a useful idiot (like Oswald himself and doubtless many others who were used)—“placed there” to help indicate the time to loose the shots: when Kennedy drew alongside him.

  108. JamesinNM 说:

    Biblical truths:
    浪漫2:28 29
    启示录2:9和3:9
    Satan has deceived the church, and lies have deceived the world’s people.
    However, God is not deceived. At the final judgement the truth will be shouted from the rooftops, and all evil will suffer the second death and burn for eternity. Life is a mere breath, but eternity is infinite. Fear not those that can destroy the body, but rather fear the one that can destroy both body and soul in hell. After Christ’s birth, death, and resurrection born again Christians with changed hearts, regardless of ethnic background, are the real Jews and God’s chosen people.

    • 谢谢: Ann Nonny Mouse
  109. @Emslander

    Fair enough. Maybe time elides major differences, but there was no love lost between the Kennedy and Eisenhower parties. JFK’s charge that Nixon/Ike had presided over a “missile gap” with the Russkies was an absurd and deliberate lie. That line in his inaugural address, about passing the torch to “a new generation, born in this century” was a slap at Ike, sitting there on the podium, who was born in 1895. 50 years on I guess they both look like mandarins compared to today’s crop of mutants.

    • 同意: houston 1992
    • 回复: @houston 1992
  110. @James J O'Meara

    1. Eisenhower (like DeGaulle) was born in 1890.

    2.The Eisenhower admin had been cautious about foreign entanglements e.g. not bombing the hills around Dien Ben Phu, ordering the Brits French and our soon-to-be-closest ever ally out of Suez in 1956, not intervening in Hungary in 1956.

    I suppose to the GI’s generation Eisenhower and his Lost generation were too cautious for the cocky GI’s –that is the position from Strauss/Howe 1991 book,. Generations, …..but I agree that JFK campaign lied about the missile gap.

  111. @Jimmy1969

    Anyone who actually believes that Sirhan was anything bit the patsy is an ignorant imbecile, or a disinformer. Or both. Take your pick.

  112. bayviking 说:
    @Mevashir

    毫无疑问,由于大量的泄密和良好的报道,肯尼迪和本古里安之间的关系是敌对的。 最终,当我们的“人民政府”决定我们有权查看他们彼此写的信件时,这将得到证明。 为什么会有敌意? 因为本-古里安决心研制炸弹,而肯尼迪决心阻止他们获得这项技术。 直到今天,这些信件都是秘密的。 离谱。

    毫无疑问,安格尔顿是以色列的一个强大的朋友,就像大多数中央情报局特工一样,他是一个狂热的右翼疯子,准备以资本主义的名义杀人和偷窃,就像以色列的事业一样。 他的角色在以色列的几座纪念碑中被纪念,这是他影响力的有力衡量标准。 但是,因此将他与暗杀肯尼迪联系起来是胡说八道。 据我所知,派珀有一个怀疑,但什么也没证明。

    中央情报局的赫尔姆斯和联邦调查局的胡佛故意搞砸了肯尼迪暗杀事件,以挽救自己的职业生涯。 但这一事实也不意味着他们与肯尼迪遇刺事件有关。 鲍比也积极参与掩饰,因为有暴露卡斯特罗暗杀阴谋的危险,其中包括一位重要的古巴将军,如果阴谋成功,他不能被揭露为卡斯特罗的叛徒。

    黑帮老大 Marcello、Rosselli 和 Trafficante 与 JFK 被暗杀有关,通过监狱窃听和向他们的律师供认,在他们死后被揭露。 在 Marcello、Rosselli、Ruby 和 Hoffa 的支持下,Lansky 和 ​​Trafficante 在全球范围内与 CIA、Mertz 和 Lansky 以及在全国范围内与 CIA 走私海洛因、CIA、Mertz 和 Lansky 密切合作。 三个国家的老板都为兰斯基工作,肯定得到了他的许可,但马塞洛比另外两个更独立。 Fosselli 为 Giancana 工作,后者一直处于监视之下。 这四个人都承受着肯尼迪兄弟的巨大压力,肯尼迪兄弟正在积极起诉他们。

    • 回复: @Mark Gobell
  113. S 说:
    @TroothSeeker

    与此同时,德国人变成了永恒的恶棍。

    For decades after WWII, if they wanted to emphasize a TV or movie character was particularly evil, almost invariably they would have him using not just any pistol or machine gun, but a German Luger or MP-40.

    The first 1968 episode of Hawaii 5-0 has this ship captain using a Luger when he gets in a fight with McGarrets police.

    The first Dirty Harry (1971) has the serial killer Scorpio whip out an MP-40 which he uses to shoot Eastwood’s partner with.

    Don’t see this so much nowadays.

  114. @MarkinPNW

    To MarkinPNW from Elmerfudzie: Yes I concur with your conclusion that the City of London banksters had everything to do with promoting division in the USA probably dating as far back as the Civil War using their infamous divide and conquer strategy. There were rumors circulating that British agents lurking within the White House were in Cahoots with Stalin to slowly poison FDR (with Thallium, I think). Frankly, I wouldn’t put anything past their bankster scheming (s) and skulduggery…

    The London 7/7 bombing on the same day, and places too, that Mr Powers scheduled mock terror attacks in subway areas and double-decker bus, stunk to high heaven-couldn’t believe that he got away with that ludicrous story! The clincher, bus security cameras weren’t working either on 7/7…what absolute tripe! God save us all from these Intel creeps!

  115. @Emslander

    “ No, that was Wilson in WWI and it was not a good thing. I’d pick Monarchy over mayhem any day of the week.“

    I very much agree with you, and I have often argued on UR, that monarchs claimed to be ruling by divine law which made them liable to the moral law and hence the monarchy was counterbalanced, in theory, by the clergy who put a check on the moral behaviour of monarchs such as when the Pope excommunicated Frederick II for failing to honour his crusading pledge. In practice, the power of monarchs was pretty much influenced by the financial power of the usual usurers except some kings, like Richard Lion Heart, knew how to fight back against them by simply cutting their heads. So the monarchic rule has its de facto system of checks and balances with power flowing among the nobility, the clergy and the financiers. Today, under the so called representative democracy, the people get the illusion of having a say in the ruling system when the power resides mainly in the hands of the bankers and the corporate elites.

    As for Wilson compared to FDR, it is pretty much trying to sort out tweedledum from tweedledee. Wilson was a smokescreen President when the real power was in the hands of colonel Edward Mandell House ( Wilson’s alter ego as stated by Wilson) and the life long “ advisor” to presidents the Jewish financier Bernard Baruch. Wilson’s legacy were the Federal Reserve, the income tax ( which was supposed to stay at 1%), the US entry in WWI ( when he campaigned for anti war involvement) and the infamous Fourteen Points that tricked the Germans into the deadly web of the Treaty of Versailles promising the Germans no restitutions nor land concessions in return for a ceasefire.

    FDR whose grand father made his fortune in the opium trade was as morally corrupt as most US presidents save for a few like President William Taft and President William McKinley. FDR conspired unconstitutionally to push America into war taking by his Secretary of War Stimson’ advice “to manoeuvre the Japanese into war” and gave Britain military aid and financing without the approval of congress. To make a long story short, JFK would have been the one president that could have pulled America from the brink of continual warring and ultimate bankruptcy while keeping the highly favourable international cultural standing of the US. Unfortunately he embarked on mission impossible and paid for his temerity in blood and tears.

    • 谢谢: Emslander
  116. @J. Alfred Powell

    Thanks for this very informative comment.
    I just want to clarify that it is not me who calls Joe’s memoir “scurrilous”: it is included in David Irving’s quote.

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  117. @Jimmy1969

    “ JFK’s assassin was a lone disgruntled nut. RFK ironically was killed because he was out stumping for the Jewish vote and Sirhan’s relatives were previously wiped out in an Israeli bombing raid paid for by the US. ”

    Are you sure you are at the right address. I thought most residents of cloud cuckoo land avoid sites like UR because of the abundance of “ conspiracy theorists” as opposed to the “ coincidence theorists” that usually tune to the MSM while enjoying a laid back posture on the couch with some brain stimulating easy to prepare food and making sure they do not skip the next ball game. Well, no grudge whatsoever from myself as a committed conspiracy theorist; everyone has the full right of freedom of thought provided it is coupled with a modicum of humbleness and respect to the opposing view.

    • 同意: Mevashir
  118. @bayviking

    回复:关于迪莫纳的肯尼迪/本吉龙信件。

    书信之战,1963年:约翰·肯尼迪,戴维·本·古里安,列维·埃斯科尔和美国迪莫纳视察
    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

    *

    While the JFK Jr murder is imprinted with the quintessential kabbalistic signature from the birth of Saint Anne Frank The Martyr of Jewish Holocaust fame …
    https://www.unz.com/article/joseph-p-kennedy-the-cursed-peacemaker/#comment-4775072

    JFK’s assassination, unsurprisingly, carries similar, kabbalistic fingerprints from the birth of Levi Eshkol …

    MG

    • 回复: @Laurent Guyénot
  119. @Montefrío

    你写了:

    ‘Nixon, a president I supported, was no enemy of the Jews’.

    Nixon was a shrewd political operator and he played the Zio-lobby early on and appeased them with a few more morsels here and there.

    That said, there’s a TON of evidence to demonstrate that he turned on them later in his first term and thereafter (especially in ordering that satellite and other Intel be withheld from the Zio-genociders in the 1973 Arab-Israeli War that saw the criminal Zio-occupiers come within a whisker of defeat).

    For that, he had to pay dearly.

    In the words of Michael Collins Piper:

    ‘Nixon, like JFK, had begun to run afoul of the Israelis and like JFK, was targeted for destruction’.

  120. @anon

    你写了:

    ‘Am I the only person who couldn’t care less about the Kennedy’s?’

    不,当然不。

    There are numerous people like you who worshipped David Ben Gurion, were lifelong supporters of the Zionist Dominated Usury Banking Cartel (that owns/controls the Federal Reserve, the ECB and the Bank of England), and its extortionate parasitism directed at the goys.
    You get off on seeing patriotic Gentiles sacrifice their lives fighting wars on behalf of Israel and you’re also a card carrying members of AIPAC and rabid Talmudist to boot.

    So …. NO, you’re not alone. There are other low-lifes like you in this world.

    • 同意: Druid55
  121. anastasia 说:

    真的很棒的文章。

  122. @Ktulu

    First lets get it right Biden is more english then irish. He plays the irish card but his roots go back hundreds of years in england.

    • 回复: @GeneralRipper
  123. Sparkon 说:
    @LondonBob

    Jack Ruby was the only link Mossad had to the actual mechanics of the assassination, and even there you could pin it on the mafia.

    From at least the occasion of Pres. Kennedy’s birthday party in 1962, which was hosted by Arthur and Mathilde Krim at their mansion following Marilyn Monroe’s cringeworthy Happy Birthday serenade of JFK at Madison Square Garden, VP Lyndon B. Johnson enjoyed a close personal relationship with Mathilde Krim, converted Jewess, avowed Zionist, and former member of the Irgun terrorist organization.

    White House photo by Yoichi Okamoto

    https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/

    Whatever connection Jack Ruby or the Mafia had to the assassination, it is doubtful they could have been responsible for the Secret Service’s abject failures to protect Pres. Kennedy along the presidential motorcade’s route through Dallas, when the normal motorcycle guard was stripped away, military security units told to stand down, agents left behind at the airport, agents out all night drinking, or the Secret Service’s failures to clear and secure high rise buildings along the motorcade route, including the TSBD, their failure to clear and secure the grassy knoll areas either side of the triple underpass, with the hijacking of Pres. Kennedy’s corpse from the lawful authorities in Dallas to top it all off.

    Of all the usual suspects in Pres. Kennedy’s assassination, only VP Lyndon Johnson had direct access to and influence over the Secret Service.

  124. @Hyper Bole

    The Warren Report and every other “official U.S. government” narrative are better in appealing to a ten year old mind.

  125. @Randolph

    he was placed there to act as a focus point to coordinate the timing of the shooters

    LOL! What kind of sniper need someone with a conspicuous umbrella to stand next to their target? And why an umbrella on a sunny day? A big Mexican hat would have been my preferred choice. Or perhaps a big sign saying: “Shoot here now!”

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Bert
  126. @Verymuchalive

    你是第一个把[雨伞人]、约瑟夫·肯尼迪和犹太人联系起来的人吗?

    Surely not. I must have read it somewhere. But since I can’t figure out where, it could also be a “Yesterday” (referring to McCartney waking up one morning with the tune of Yesterday in his head, asking his friends what song it is, until he finally accepted it as his own creation and wrote the lyrics for it). More seriously, I first paid attention to the Umbrella Man when I heard Josiah Thompson’s short video. The Umbrella Man himself made the connection. I decided that the “conspiracy theory” makes more sense than Thompson’s “quantum coincidence theory”. I kind of wonder, actually, if Thompson was not being ironic, rather than idiotic.
    感谢您的赞赏

    • 回复: @Rere
  127. @Mark Gobell

    感谢国家安全档案链接。 有趣的。
    On the Anna Frank connection, I don’t get it.

    • 回复: @Mark Gobell
  128. Mevashir 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell


    In this book, Lansky discusses the rival bootlegging operations of his Italian boys vs the Kennedys. So why do you dismiss this charge as a fabrication?

    Remember too how JPK authorized the cruel lobotomizing of his own eldest daughter Rosemary. That was an act of eugenics the Nazis would be proud of (although in truth the Nazis were kind and loving to their own, not so JPK).

    JPK was a notorious womanizer who broke his wife Rosemary’s heart repeatedly. Who knows how many secrets were compromised by him in London when he wined and dined German officials:

    This is a comment on the Nasaw biography on Amazon:

    [更多]

    https://www.amazon.com/review/R7CHEN2L0ENBZ/ref=cm_cr_srp_d_rdp_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0143124072

    1.0 5出来的明星
    Nasaw falsifies history. Denies Joe Kennedy’s career-long ties to the Mob.
    8 年 2013 月 XNUMX 日在美国审核
    已确认购买
    The Patriarch has received glowing reviews in the New York Times and elsewhere. It’s been praised for humanizing Joe Kennedy as a driven, up-from-nowhere Irish American and as a devoted father, brilliant investor, and peerless political kingmaker.

    This 868-page book is thoroughly documented and has a huge bibliography and index. But for all of its scholarly trappings, the book is more the work of a hagiographer than a biographer. Why? Because Nasaw’s deeper intent, I think, is not to humanize Kennedy, but to sanitize him: to launder parts of the historical record that reflect poorly on Joe.

    Several months ago I chanced upon a Chicago Public Television interview in which Nasaw glibly dismisses “the myth” of Joe Kennedy’s bootlegging. (at 2:40 of the video at […] )

    His dismissal annoyed me, for I’d just finished Burton Hersh’s Bobby and J Edgar (2007), a sobering 600-page book that is shot through with evidence of Joe Kennedy’s pathological womanizing and his constant dealings, both social and professional, with Mob leaders from coast to coast who supplied him with – among other things – women.

    Burton Hersh is a historian whom David Nasaw should not ignore. Harvard educated and himself a Kennedy family intimate, Hersh is regarded as the biographer of record of Ted Kennedy. I had turned to Bobby and J Edgar after reading Hersh’s The Old Boys, an exquisitely detailed history of the origins of the CIA. Historians Arthur Schlesinger Jr. and Doris Kearns Goodwin, both close to the Kennedy family, have praised it highly.

    Like Nasaw, Hersh had full access to Joe Kennedy’s papers and to the voluminous FBI files on the Kennedys maintained by J. Edger Hoover: materials to which Nasaw claims – erroneously – that he had sole access.

    After 150 pages centered mostly on Joe Kennedy, Bobby and J. Edgar zeroes in on the intense hostility that developed between its two title figures. This hostility was rooted in Hoover’s self-servingly soft approach to organized crime and in Bobby’s ferociously single-minded campaign as Attorney General to destroy organized crime in America: a mission fueled and frustrated by his gradual and horrific discovery of the depth of his father’s Mob ties. Joe used these ties to advance Jack’s and Bobby’s political fortunes even as Bobby was working feverishly to do away with the Mob.

    Curious about Nasaw’s sanitized account of Joe Kennedy on Chicago Public TV, I got a copy of The Patriarch. I wanted to see how it responds to the findings of Hersh and the other writers who have documented Joe Kennedy’s Mob ties, including Gus Russo, Ron Kessler, Gore Vidal and James Douglass.

    Nasaw mentions none of them in his text, his index or his bibliography.

    How, then, does Nasaw deal with these ties? Speaking like a fastidious academic, he describes a research strategy that involved his meticulous review of all primary and secondary sources on Joe Kennedy, “taking nothing for granted, dissecting every tale and rumor and discarding anecdotal second-and thirdhand observations that I could not substantiate” (xxiv).

    This entitles him to claim that “most of the stories about bootlegging originated in unsubstantiated, usually off the cuff remarks made by Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Joe Bonanno and other Mob figures not particularly known for their truth telling” (80).

    Academics, like magicians, know sleight of hand. With this one sentence, Nasaw conceals the elaborate, nationwide network of organized crime ties that J. Edgar Hoover’s Joe Kennedy file, in Hersh’s account, confirms enabled Joe to realize his soaring ambitions for himself and his sons.

    Will the American people have access to that file?

    In Bobby and J Edgar, Hersh goes further. He advances evidence to show that the JFK and RFK assassinations were likely triggered by Mob outrage – Santo Trafficante, Carlos Marcello, Sam Giancana, the Los Angeles Mob – at Bobby’s drive to root out organized crime. In this theory, other government agencies, the FBI and CIA included, were likely involved as well.

    The Patriarch, by contrast, mentions JFK’s assassination only in passing, as the source of Joe Kennedy’s grief shortly before his death.

    Nasaw writes that he was approached by the Kennedy family to write about Joe. Hersh, himself a Kennedy family intimate, says of Bobby and J. Edgar in the book’s Foreword that “if honestly done, it was likely to scorch out sources and friends whom I have cherished since the middle sixties”.

    Where Hersh took a conscious risk, Nasaw plays it safe, and his Patriarch suffers for that reason.

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  129. Mevashir 说:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    LOL! What kind of sniper need someone with a conspicuous umbrella to stand next to their target? And why an umbrella on a sunny day? A big Mexican hat would have been my preferred choice. Or perhaps a big sign saying: “Shoot here now!”

    In Africa people do use umbrellas on hot days.

    Also it makes a very dramatic statement. Remember that the Zionists aren’t content to maim kill and destroy. They also want to make a moralistic statement: You brought this on yourself by your depraved behavior etc…

    Remember Golda Meir’s patronizing comment: “We can forgive the Arabs for attacking us, but we cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill them.” This is a breathtaking example of Zionist chutzpah!

    • 同意: Laurent Guyénot
  130. @Laurent Guyénot

    Sorry for the sloppy misattribution of “scurrilous” — which your piece makes clear is Irving’s. Does he indicate whether, where or how he got access to the memoir? I’ve read the magnificent 2 published volumes of his Churchill but don’t own them — and they are difficult to access, and the concluding volume has apparently been conclusively suppressed by British authorities in a vile blow to the Calliope, Muse of History.

    • 回复: @Mark Gobell
  131. @Mevashir

    I wrote “Smith writes that there is no evidence to support the legend of his bootlegging [xx]. Claims otherwise in other books, when tracked to their putative sources, turn out to be “based” on claims made by unreliable interested parties.”

    As you can see, this does not, as you mistakenly write, “dismiss this charge as a fabrication.” It doesn’t even mention Lansky, but Lansky is the only putative “source” I’ve seen sited in support of this claim. If you regard Lansky’s evidence as trustworthy, that reflects on your judgment. I certainly don’t.

    You ostensible critique of Nasaw’s sentence quoted from p. 80 does not address his comment. This kind of non sequitur vituperation, also, is discreditable.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  132. Bert 说:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Your reply to Randolph implies that you are assuming only one sniper. Given that synchronization of watches is difficult and the snipers needed to be aiming not looking at a watch, more than a single sniper would need to have a highly visible marker next to the street to coordinate their shots. And if the shots were not coordinated, then there would have been a greater likelihood that the limousine would have sped away before all shooters could engage.

    By focusing on the well-known Jewish desire to humiliate goys, you appear to have missed the tactical significance of your story and its implication regarding the identity of the regime behind the assassination.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
    , @Laurent Guyénot
  133. Mevashir 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell

    I don’t know what you refer to about Nasaw’s book page 80.

    As you can see, this does not, as you mistakenly write, “dismiss this charge as a fabrication.” It doesn’t even mention Lansky, but Lansky is the only putative “source” I’ve seen sited in support of this claim. If you regard Lansky’s evidence as trustworthy, that reflects on your judgment. I certainly don’t.

    I read the Lansky book many years ago when I was in college. But I recall much of it pretty clearly. He seemed to revel in boasting about his criminal exploits especially against rival groups like Kennedy. I had a church friend back East who was raised in Rhode island. He was a retired professor and no fool. He told me that Rhode Island has an extremely intricate coastline that the Kennedys used to smuggle their booze in from Scotland and Ireland. He said the standing joke was that cranberry fields that are marshy and swampy cover many bodies of people who crossed JPK.

    (Rhode Island never passed prohibition and it was understood that any prohibition agent who would wander into Rhode Island likely would not emerge alive. Rhode Island had the highest percentage Catholic population in the country at that time at ~ 80%. And Catholics were extremely anti-prohibition, not only because they like to drink but because of the need for Sacramental wine in their church services which could occur on a daily or thrice daily basis.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MBTzoyrVI3zaLaFRYA419ot24OyT2VBL/view?usp=drivesdk
    This link has a scan of a chapter about a famous prohibition agent named Izzy Einstein. He used all sorts of theatrical tricks to catch people drinking. He was arrested in Providence Rhode Island and in this chapter scan my great-grandfather shows up on the scene to bail him out of jail!)

    You can split hairs all you want. Whether or not Kennedy was a bootlegger, I consider him a scoundrel. I’m not impressed with his appeasement of the germans. He apparently would bow and scrape to anyone with a powerful enough military to coerce his compromise.

    A flagrantly promiscuous person is considered to be a security risk in intelligence services. Kennedy’s role is ambassador to London was as much intelligence as it was diplomatic and he simply could not be trusted. Any pretty Freud line could get him to open his mouth and blabs state secret simply by spreading her legs.

    You probably know that JFK was dogged by the same suspicions. In fact he even had a mini affair with an East German spy. Hoover was constantly agitating that he was a security risk.

  134. Sparkon 说:
    @Bert

    more than a single sniper would need to have a highly visible marker next to the street to coordinate their shots

    The Stemmons freeway sign would have served that purpose well.


    Photo by Philip Willis

    Far from speeding away, the presidential limousine seemed to slow down in the killing zone as shots rang out.

  135. GeneralRipper [又名“ICan\'tTellUY”] 说:
    @Dingo bay rum

    谢谢您,先生

  136. Anonymous[153]• 免责声明 说:
    @Observator

    当查尔斯·林德伯格要求罗斯福结束他的密室阴谋时,他代表了大多数美国人。 他在他强有力的得梅因演讲中决定了自己的命运 11年1941月XNUMX日, 他在其中勇敢地陈述了这个令人不快的真相:“推动这个国家走向战争的三个最重要的团体是英国、犹太人和罗斯福政府。 在这些群体的背后,但不那么重要的是一些资本家、亲英人士和知识分子,他们相信他们的未来和人类的未来取决于大英帝国的统治。 再加上几周前反对干预的共产党团体,我相信我已经列出了这个国家的主要战争煽动者。”

    在同一天…exactly sixty years later.

    • 回复: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  137. ivan 说:
    @Mevashir

    Catholics loved their sacramental wine but so did the Jews. Given their rivalry and sometimes antipathy, Jewish accounts of prominent Catholics should be taken with salt. The Bronfmans of Seagrams whose scion later went on to bilk the Swiss over the alleged Gold of the Jews: made their money running Prohibition.

    Prohibition in any case is the product of the sick Puritanical mind that lays awake at night wondering if “someone somewhere waa enjoying himself.”

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  138. @Mevashir

    你写了:

    ‘I am not impressed with his [Joseph Kennedy’s] appeasement of the Germans’.

    What complete nonsense !! There was no ‘appeasement’.

    Joe Kennedy just wanted to prevent a World War and keep both the U.S and Britain out of it.
    Let’s face it, NO Anglo country had a dog in this race.
    The sacrifice of their blood and treasure was ALL FOR NOTHING and could have been avoided if FDR took Joseph Kennedy’s advice rather than that of Zionists like Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau Jr and Bernard Baruch.

    Anyone with even a scintilla of objectivity knows that the Treaty of Versailles was crushingly unjust to the Germans, who were stripped of territory (Sudetenland to the Czechs) and vast sections of Prussia/Danzig to the Poles, not to mention the reparations payments and other indignities.

    The Germans quite rightfully just wanted what was theirs.

    Many people have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by Zio-funded books and historical texts that smear Britain’s Neville Chamberlain as an ‘appeaser’ but he was anything but.

    He was a PeaceMaker and any impartial viewing of the facts will back that up.
    History will judge Chamberlain as the great man that he actually was while poodles of the Zionists like Winston Churchill will get the condemnation that they so richly deserve.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  139. Bert 说:

    Rebuttal: Two reference points would be better than one, particularly if the umbrella was primary and its position could be adjusted as circumstances required. For being a protester, the umbrella man oddly did not place himself in the most forward position allowed by DPD personnel. Staying out of the line of fire?

  140. @Bert

    Let’s assume that the Umbrella Man was there to signal to the snipers when and where to shoot. Let’s assume his black umbrella had nothing to do with “heckling” JFK about his father’s support of Chamberlain’s appeasement policy. Why then would Witt come forward to the HSCA and say he was “heckling” JFK about his father’s support of Chamberlain’s appeasement policy? Isn’t that testimony, in itself, a signature? Now, if you believe that the Umbrella Man was part of the plot (whether he was Witt or someone else), how can you explain (away) Witt’s explanation? Another kind of “quantum physics coincidence”? Either the Umbrella Man himself, or Witt’s testimony to the HSCA, or both, are a signature, regardless of whether the umbrella served another purpose (which I doubt very much, agreeing with Sparkon)

  141. Ron Unz 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell

    In 2001 an edition of Joseph Kennedy’s letters and related documents was published edited by his (adoptive) grand-daughter Amanda Smith: Joseph P. Kennedy, Hostage To Fortune: The Letters of Joseph P. Kennedy, ed. Amanda Smith (New York, Viking, 2001). …Smith writes that there is no evidence to support the legend of his bootlegging [xx]. Claims otherwise in other books, when tracked to their putative sources, turn out to be “based” on claims made by unreliable interested parties.

    I’m very skeptical of that. I assume you’ve read Seymour Hersh’s Dark Side of Camelot, and I refreshed my memory by taking a look at pp. 46-56, where Hersh seems to gather together what seems to be absolutely overwhelming evidence that Joseph Kennedy had heavily been involved in bootlegging during the 1920s. Dozens of interviews with former FBI agents and other law enforcement officials as well as members of organized crime seem to confirm this, including numerous mentions in various memoirs. Perhaps all these people were lying, but I tend to doubt it.

    Also, Kennedy became a leading figure in the legal liquor business after the end of Prohibition, which is exactly what many of the other former bootleggers tried to do. And there also seems overwhelming evidence that he had longstanding tiesy terms with many of the leading figures in organized crime, whose help he enlisted during the 1960 presidential election.

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  142. @Ron Unz

    I don’t regard Hersh as trustworthy. Two examples of why: In Dark Side of Camelot he avidly catalogs JFK’s philandering — with the quite remarkable exception of Mary Pinchot Meyer. And Hersh’s account of the Tyler Kent case in the same book (1997) does not jibe with the evidence presented in John Costello, Ten Days To Destiny (1991).

    I’m not much concerned whether JPK was or wasn’t a bootlegger. I only say that I haven’t seen convincing evidence of it (whereas — for instance — it’s admitted on all sides that FDR’s grandparents imported opium to China). I don’t regard Lansky as a reliable witness and I do regard it as silly that some present him as such — not to speak of the evident biases of his Zionist biographers. Your comment, Ron, offers no evidence — only guilt-by-putatitve-association arguments. (And for that matter JPK could have made his putative mob acquaintances as easily in Hollywood.) What gives me pause about the bootlegger story is that JPK appears to have been making good money in “business” during the 20s — he didn’t need to get involved in bootlegging. And his Scotch liquor franchise appears to be accountable otherwise.

    Also, note that Daniel Okrent, Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition (2010) debunks the JPK bootlegger story at some length p. 366-371.

    None of this, in any case, is nearly so important to the concerns of American history as the story of the railroading of America into the Second World War, in which JPK played a significantly telling role. In this regard I repeat that his “Diplomatic Memoir” should be published. It’s withholding represents a signal disservice to American historiography.

    And Hersh, I think, on further grounds than those mentioned here, is NOT to be trusted. He consistently gives me the impression of someone who is serving an agenda other than pursuit of the all pertinent facts for truth’s sake.

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
    , @Ron Unz
  143. @J. Alfred Powell

    A little more on Hersh. Seymour Hersh made his national name (so to speak) as a journalist by his “exposure” of the “My Lai Massacre.” It seems clear, however, that the net effect of Hersh’s reporting of this matter was to deflect blame for the incident onto the military and to depict it as an aberration, whereas in fact it was a (perhaps excessive) result of widely employed tactics and strategy which did not originate with the military. Ralph W. McGehee, Deadly Secrets: My 25 Years in the CIA (Sheridan Square, 1983), especially pages 129-134, and Col. L. Fletcher Prouty (ret.), The Secret Team: The CIA and Its Allies (Prentice Hall, 1973) support this view of the tactical and strategic situation in Vietnam, and Fletcher’s account of the similar character of the compilation and release of the Pentagon Papers is also suggestive.

    At the very least, Hersh’s ignorance of Costello’s fundamental and extremely revealing research on the Tyler Kent case, and of the very interesting case of JFK lover Mary Pinchot Meyer (which Ben Bradlee mentions in his 1995 memoir — since then three books have been published) discredits his abilities as a researcher. But in my view the tend to suggest something else.

  144. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Anyone with even a scintilla of objectivity knows that the Treaty of Versailles was crushingly unjust to the Germans, who were stripped of territory (Sudetenland to the Czechs) and vast sections of Prussia/Danzig to the Poles, not to mention the reparations payments and other indignities.

    The Germans quite rightfully just wanted what was theirs.

    That may be so, but they projected a far more pugnacious image than just getting theirs. Perhaps they had a PR problem.

    By the way, I’ve read that Hitler spent some time in England. Did he speak any English?

    I think we can only say it was Providential that the forces lined up to defeat him. His three main protagonists were all part Jewish with severe character defects. And yet they stopped him.

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  145. Mevashir 说:
    @ivan

    Prohibition in any case is the product of the sick Puritanical mind that lays awake at night wondering if “someone somewhere was enjoying himself.”

    Very funny. But as someone who takes buses and interacts with the large homeless population in my city in Colorado, liquor is a scourge. You can tell from the many bottles of spirits littering the sidewalks and streets.

    On the other hand I think all drugs should be decriminalized like the Amsterdam model. Did you know that in the early 20th century you could buy heroin (laudanum) and cocaine in American drug stores? The war on drugs is a terrible failure that simply enriches the guvmint agencies and especially the cartels.

    • 回复: @ivan
    , @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  146. Hibernian 说:
    @Dodge City Pete

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen

    She is Lutheran. Family roots are in NW Germany and the US South, so it is hardly surprising that she is Protestant.

  147. Ron Unz 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell

    I don’t regard Hersh as trustworthy…I’m not much concerned whether JPK was or wasn’t a bootlegger. I only say that I haven’t seen convincing evidence of it

    I don’t think you’re being fair to Hersh, who has spent a half-century as one of America’s most renowned investigative journalists. I’m not saying he’s necessarily always correct, but his material should be taken extremely seriously.

    He begins his discussion:

    The difficulty in attempting to evaluate the many reports of Joe Kennedy’s participation in bootlegging is the remarkable lack of documentation in government files…Yet, in scores of interviews for this book over four years, former high-level government officials of the 1950s and 1960s, including Justice Department prosecutors, CIA operatives, and FBI agents, insisted that they knew that Joe Kennedy had been a prominent bootlegger during Prohibition.

    Over the next dozen pages, Hersh catalogs the names and specific claims of some of these individuals, along with the various public statements by prominent gangsters of that era, including in their memoirs. Maybe all these people were just lying for some reason. Maybe Hersh was lying about what they told him. But I tend to doubt that.

    So Hersh never explicitly concludes that Kennedy was a bootlegger, but provided enough evidence to convince me.

    As to the complete lack of government records, by 1950 Kennedy was one of the wealthiest men in America and also a personal friend of J. Edgar Hoover. I suspect that explains why there aren’t any FBI records.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @J. Alfred Powell
  148. Mevashir 说:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    The church has been increasingly Judaized from the time of Martin Luther. Each successive wave of reformation introduced more Jewish elements into Christianity and further weakened traditional Catholicism.

    The rise of groups like Seventh-Day Adventists Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses in 19th century America represented the near total Judaization of Christianity.

    And fundamentalist groups like the Evangelicals have insured that even what is not Judaized will still be rendered submissive to the Jewish lobby.

    • 同意: A Half Naked Fakir
  149. Mevashir 说:
    @Ron Unz

    As to the complete lack of government records, by 1950 Kennedy was one of the wealthiest men in America and also a personal friend of J. Edgar Hoover. I suspect that explains why there aren’t any FBI records.

    Are you certain they were friends? I thought J Edgar Hoover was a moral crusader. Why would he be friends with a promiscuous reprobate like JPK?

  150. Mevashir 说:
    @lydia

    Robert Jeffress’ statement conveys the general attitude of most American Christians and their pastors regarding the Israeli occupation and persecution. They have rejected their Christian brethren in order to prop up and idolize the State of Israel.

    There is an additional factor here. Most Palestinian Christians are Catholic Maronite or Greek Orthodox. The American Christian zionists are almost entirely Protestant evangelical. Quite frankly they could care less about the plight of Catholics or Orthodox Christians anywhere in the world and particularly inside their pet project israel.

  151. @Mevashir

    你写了:

    ‘I think we can only say it was Providential that the forces lined up to defeat him [Hitler]’.

    Providential ? I think you made a typo there. The word I would’ve used is ‘Unfortunate’.

    对于希特勒的所有错误,最客观的分析将表明,如果德国人赢得了战争并且控制整个西方金融体系的犹太复国主义主导的高利贷银行卡特尔得到了应有的惩罚,世界将会变得更加美好和和平。

    There would have been no creation of the Apartheid Israeli State, no Murder of JFK, RFK, JFK Jr, James Forrestal, no USS Liberty incident, No Vietnam war, No Gentile Blood and Treasure expended in all those wars for Israel, no 9/11 ….. etc.

    The world would have been a DEMONSTRABLY better place.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  152. @Ron Unz

    I don’t mean to dismiss all (italicized) Hersh’s assertions out of hand, but as I said, I do not trust him. I sense that his accounts are shaped by other motives besides, and in some cases superseding, pursuit of facts for truth’s sake. In this respect his omissions are perhaps more telling than his inclusions — I mentioned his ignorance or suppression of Costello’s strong and revealing evidence on the Tyler Kent case, his suppression of mention of Mary Pinchot Meyer, and his in one crucial matter diversionary account of My Lai. These aren’t the only matters in Hersh that arouse my distrust of him, but they are salient cases easy to pin down.

    For these and other reasons I distrust Hersh categorically, his large media presence notwithstanding. Chomsky presents a similar case on an airier plane. Whether Hersh is right or not about the Kennedys’ mob connections or their extent, doesn’t concern me that much.

    More, there are such strong motives for smearing the Kennedys, father and sons, on the part of various strongly biased powers, that all smears require extra-sceptical evaluation. Obviously these interested parties include Hersh’s sources. And, refresh my memory, does he cite any of them by name?

    And it is also important — much more important, in fact — to recognize, and take into account, the obvious case that all smears are inherently diversionary. What elicits hostility to the Kennedys on the part of their attackers, isn’t the mob associations or philandering or the sources of their wealth and power, but how they employed it — in particular, Joseph Kennedy’s “isolationism” (to employ the smear term coining by British Intelligence for the purpose of manipulating American public opinion in their interest), JFK’s turn toward peace and resistance to Wall Street plunder abroad and at home, his advocacy of social welfare and civil rights initiatives, his opposition to Israeli bomb-making and Zionist aggression, and his understanding, informed by what he and RFK saw and learned on their world tour of 1954, that wars of national liberation were (are) often exactly that, and waged on much the same basis as our own country’s, and RKF’s assumption of his assassinated brother’s goals. The much suppressed evidence is nevertheless now clear that JFK was in the process of trying to bring an end to the Cold War and the Atomic Weapons Race — that is, to modify the predacious course of Wall Street World Empire. This tells us both why and who.

  153. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    对于希特勒的所有错误,最客观的分析将表明,如果德国人赢得了战争并且控制整个西方金融体系的犹太复国主义主导的高利贷银行卡特尔得到了应有的惩罚,世界将会变得更加美好和和平。

    I think you are a naive romanticizing fool. Hitler was fundamentally a pagan. Although he used the church to help pacify the German public, his comment about the Pope as “the Jew-God’s deputy in Rome” tells us everything we need to know. The Vatican released an encyclical in 1937 condemning many aspects of the Nazi regime. This encyclical was written by Cardinal Pacelli who became Pope Pius XII shortly thereafter:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mit_brennender_Sorge

    在纳粹占领下,天主教在波兰的经历尤其不愉快。 他们谋杀了无数波兰天主教神父和修女。 如果德国人成功征服了莫斯科,您认为俄罗斯东正教的命运会怎样?

    Also you conveniently forget Hitler’s Japanese ally. Would they have been benevolent conquerors had they won World War II? I think it’s significant that of all Asian countries Japan to this day is the most resistant to Christianity, with only about 5% of the population Christian. Compare that to South Korea which is about 40% Christian. Even in China Christianity is spreading rapidly compared with Japan.

    不会有种族隔离的以色列国的建立,不会有肯尼迪、RFK、JFK Jr、詹姆斯福雷斯特的谋杀案,不会有美国自由号事件,不会有越南战争,不会有在所有这些为以色列的战争中花费的外邦人的血和财宝,没有 9/ 11 ..... 等

    这种说法完全是愚蠢的。 希特勒本人是犹太复国主义者。 关于转让协议的书籍解释说,犹太复国主义者是 仅由 1930 年代纳粹德国容忍的犹太团体。 犹太复国主义者举办营地训练犹太青年在基布兹工作。 纳粹与此合作,将其视为加速将犹太人从欧洲驱逐出境的最佳方式。

    胡志明市是我们在二战中对抗日本的盟友。 如果日本赢得了战争,您认为他们会批准越南独立吗? 或者他们会像法国人一样成为帝国殖民者?

    在你的烈士受害者名单中,我看到你省略了小马丁路德金。 有趣,特别是因为他在开始反对越南战争时被杀,你也声称反对越南战争。

    肯尼迪家族是一个低级享乐主义者家庭。 我没有为他们流泪。 正如我在这里多次写过的那样,他们的父亲非常滥交,对安全构成威胁。 任何Fräulein都可以张开她的腿,让JPK张开嘴唇,开始说国家机密。 他们是一个卑鄙的家庭。

    我想我们都应该非常感谢盟军为赢得第二次世界大战而做出的巨大人类牺牲。 并对你在此处表达的煽动情绪的恶臭抱紧我们的集体鼻子。

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  154. Malla 说:
    @Schuetze

    嘿舒茨,
    你怎么看?
    有一个印度极端民族主义的人,Abhijit Chavda,他对古印度说了很多胡言乱语,但即使是他也能给出一些智慧的宝石。 当一位听众问他时,他在 10 秒内解释了马克思主义。

    10秒解读马克思主义 | #AskAbhijit E12 | 阿比吉特·查夫达

    • 回复: @Schuetze
  155. @Mevashir

    你写了:

    “对你在这里表达的煽动情绪的恶臭,我们集体嗤之以鼻。”

    实际上,臭味明显来自你的方向——毫无疑问,绝大多数 UR 读者会同意我的观点。

    任何在比赛中没有犹太复国主义犬的客观人士都会认为肯尼迪是一位伟大的总统。 在很多人眼里,弟弟鲍比会更好。

    就前者而言,你怎么可能不喜欢有人说CIA:“我想把它们分成1000块,然后随风飘散”。

    当然,从你的角度来看,中央情报局(就像英国的军情六处和以色列种族隔离国家的摩萨德一样,由齐奥阴谋集团负责和控制)是一个值得尊重的机构。

    [更多]

    好吧,有良知的人不会像你那样思考。

    你声称希特勒是异教徒。 我不知道这是不是真的,但即使是这样,谁给了老鼠屁股?

    如果他能让世界摆脱犹太复国主义高利贷银行卡特尔的寄生虫(如果德国是胜利者,他肯定会这样做),世界就会变得无限美好。

    现在,关于日本,他们对那些他们在战争中征服的亚洲国家进行了严厉的对待,人们必须明白,在他们长期缺乏原材料和后勤不足的背景下,他们做了他们必须做的事情,因为他们认为这是一场为生存而进行的生存斗争。

    日本在珍珠港袭击美国舰队的唯一原因是罗斯福切断了他们的石油供应并将他们逼到了绝境。 这要么是战斗,要么是温顺地投降,让他们的经济陷入停滞。

    罗斯福知道他的行为的后果并有意采取这种行动——因为他的齐奥顾问下令美国应该参战。

    如果没有罗斯福切断石油的“战争行为”,就不会有太平洋战争。

    所以,是的,我宁愿与日本人一起冒险,他们是高尚而可敬的民族,也不愿与背信弃义和剥削性的犹太复国主义者谈判。

    我的烈士名单仅列出了在我匆忙的评论中立即浮现在脑海中的一些主要参与者——这绝不意味着仅限于那些。

    是的,当然,加入 MLK Jr 和 Malcolm X——他们都是在第一任犹太总统林登·贝恩斯·约翰逊 (Lyndon Baines Johnson) 任期内被谋杀的,这个人可能没有真正策划和策划这些暗杀,但肯定会被接触在进行之前为他们开绿灯。

    毫无疑问,ADL、SPLC 和无数其他犹太团体都希望 MLK Jr 和 Malcolm X 死掉——所以它实现了。

    最后,关于你的这个陈述......

    “我认为我们都应该非常感谢盟军为赢得二战做出的巨大牺牲”。

    ......你当然不代表我和很多美国人/英国人/澳大利亚人等等。

    说牺牲是没有用的。 希特勒本应随心所欲地追求摆脱犹太布尔什维克主义的世界。
    如果有什么 Lend Lease 应该被用来帮助他完成这项工作。

    我知道你很难理解我所说的这些事情——你,他们开始阅读德累斯顿和无数日本城市的燃烧弹烧毁平民,听从他的犹太复国主义控制者向罗斯福的命令。

    毫无疑问,您很喜欢看着那些人在 9/11 上从第 N 塔跳楼而死,脸上挂着假笑想,(就像 Bibi Netanyahu),嗯……这对以色列有好处。

    好吧,正派的人不会像你那样思考。

    我们都看到了犹太复国主义渎职的可恶后果,并且随着越来越多的人从沉睡中醒来,承认 JFK 之死、9/11、气候变化欺诈、大骗局、Covid 欺骗(以及更多),一个关键的门槛将使它摆脱犹太复国主义暴政的枷锁。
    那时,也只有那时,地球上才会有持久的和平。

    • 同意: Cking, Emblematic
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  156. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    就前者而言,你怎么可能不喜欢有人说CIA:“我想把它们分成1000块,然后随风飘散”。

    当然,从你的角度来看,中央情报局(就像英国的军情六处和以色列种族隔离国家的摩萨德一样,由齐奥阴谋集团负责和控制)是一个值得尊重的机构。

    It may surprise you but I am a 9/11 Truther and have endured much scorn from the Zionists and from my own Jewish relatives about this. I don’t admire the CIA at all.

    Apparently the Japanese have a long running tradition of singing Beethoven’s Ninth every New Year’s. It appears that the two cultures are quite compatible. I once speculated that Hitler would have happily divided the world into spheres of influence with the Japanese:

    我可以看到你写的逻辑。 但我相信你太天真了。 如果德国和日本赢得了二战,你认为今天的世界会是什么样子? 想想都让我不寒而栗。 看待它的一种方式是你的观点。 另一种说法是:希特勒太可恶了,甚至像斯大林这样可怕的人也更容易被接受。

    我提醒你,普京是一位虔诚的俄罗斯东正教基督徒,他认为苏联对希特勒的立场是俄罗斯历史上最伟大的时刻之一。

    Climate Change “fraud” discredits you in my eyes. Climate Change is all too real. I live in the American West and every summer our air quality dives due to smoke from forest fires.

    为什么 ADL 想要 MLK 死?

    我看到你忽略了这个不方便的事实:

    这种说法完全是愚蠢的。 希特勒本人是犹太复国主义者。 关于转移协议的书籍解释说,犹太复国主义者是 1930 年代纳粹德国唯一容忍的犹太团体。 犹太复国主义者举办营地训练犹太青年在基布兹工作。 纳粹与此合作,将其视为加速将犹太人从欧洲驱逐出境的最佳方式。

    看到这些:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?289751-1/the-transfer-agreement

    You’re like a person who vomits up after eating a good meal. Some of the vomit contains edible chunks of chow but the rest is digested ooze.

    最后,我想邀请您走过阿灵顿国家公墓,向那里的灵魂讲述他们二战牺牲的徒劳。 希望大地会敞开,把你活活吞下。

    • 谢谢: jim bob beers
    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Truth Vigilante
  157. Mevashir 说:

    http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id=2748
    这是一篇非常激动人心的文章,作者是一位主张为犹太人和巴勒斯坦人建立单一民族国家的以色列人。

    • 回复: @ivan
  158. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    最后,我想邀请您走过阿灵顿国家公墓,向那里的灵魂讲述他们二战牺牲的徒劳。 希望大地会敞开,把你活活吞下。

    I apologize for this hostile comment. I’m trying to put myself in your shoes and thinking about a world in which Germany and Japan won WWII. I come up with these questions:

    1. Germany is not an adept Imperial power. If England had accepted Hitler’s terms for peace, whereby the British Empire would remain intact while Germany would control Continental Europe, that might be feasible. But recognize that the City of London bankers would then still remain in control of the global financial system, something you oppose.

    2. 德国会对俄罗斯做什么? 毫无疑问,他们会试图保留乌克兰作为他们自己的生存空间,但是如果将波兰夹在中间,那将非常尴尬。 他们会试图让沙皇回到莫斯科吗?

    3. I’m not sure why you are cheering on Nazism which is socialism. We have German national socialism vs Soviet international socialism and how do we choose sides?

    4. 太平洋上的日本呢? 对于所有渴望自由的印度支那国家,他们会怎么做? 他们会对澳大利亚做什么?

    5. What would be the fate of the American Jewish community, which is large and prosperous, in the face of a German victory? I don’t believe Germany or Japan could attack the American homeland so what terms would they seek to impose? It’s possible that following a German victory pressure would mount in America for the Jews to leave for Palestine or some other Jewish refuge.

    6. 德国获胜后中东会是什么样子? 大多数国家都是英法瓜分奥斯曼帝国的人造产物。 德国会寻求重新划定边界吗? 控制中东石油?

    7. Finally, since the EU is said to be controlled by the Bundesbank, the EU is de facto German and thus Hitler’s dream of controlling continental Europe has come to pass.

    这些是你需要问的问题,而不是简单地渴望德日胜利。

  159. ivan 说:
    @Mevashir

    On the other hand I think all drugs should be decriminalized like the Amsterdam model. Did you know that in the early 20th century you could buy heroin (laudanum) and cocaine in American drug stores? The war on drugs is a terrible failure that simply enriches the guvmint agencies and especially the cartels.

    I agree completely. The monies are so great, the perversions of the course of justice so blatant, and the ignorance or indifference of the general public so complete that the class of criminals in control of this trade among the most ruthless and cruel anywhere.

    One should not create such perverse incentives, it attracts the worst elements of societies, who then prey on the weakest members of those societies.

  160. ivan 说:
    @Mevashir

    I think the Israeli Jews if they see that the Palestinians are not out for revenge for real or imagined grievances might sign up for it. But I don’t hold out much prospect for it, as the “Arab street” is given to volatile emotions and like all crowds love mayhem and looting.

    In Durban, SA the last of the illusions have come crumbling down in just a couple of days :

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-war-zone-south-africa-deploy-25000-troops-country-brink-civil-war

    That is the city where the Indians largely stay and 40,000 businesses have said to have been looted. I am certain many are looking to finally leave.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  161. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    希特勒没有征服世界的欲望。 这都是典型的二战宣传,别再胡说八道了。 德国没有人相信他们想征服世界。 日本人也不想征服世界。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Patrick McNally
  162. Malla 说:
    @ivan

    Indians are being targeted there. This is not new, black rioters attacking Indian shopkeepers has a long history in Durban.

  163. Mevashir 说:
    @ivan

    From what I understand these riots are purely the responsibility of former president Zuma who after receiving a mild prison sentence for incredible charges of corruption and graft urged his Zulu followers to Riot and rampage and destroy the South African economy. This is the behavior of a single selfish megalomaniacal black leader. Left to their own, the South African black population would not have behave this way.

    Zuma seems to be behaving like Trump who tried to enlist his own private militia of malcontents to storm the Capital.

    As for the Palestinians, I don’t think Arabs riot and loot the way Africans do. I’m not sure why you would think otherwise. Islam has strong injunctions against stealing.

    Unfortunately Israel’s military and security apparatus depends on ongoing strife and lack of resolution with the Palestinians. You can count on them to do everything in their power to perpetuate division and conflict. And to pay Abbas and the Hamas chief a lot of money to lead the Palestinians on to ruination.

  164. Mevashir 说:
    @Malla

    Ok. Let’s say the Germans conquered Europe and Russia. That gives them half of the Eurasian land mass. Japan would conquer China Indochina possibly Australia and maybe even India. That would complete the conquest of Eurasia leaving only Africa and North and South America free. That looks a lot like conquering the world to me.

    • 回复: @Malla
  165. Mevashir 说:
    @ivan

    [Too many totally off-topic comments, which will be much less likely to be published. There’s currently a South Africa article for this sort of discussion.]

    My daughter sent me a video clip of a crowd that broke into the Durban Zoo released the animals and then laughed and cheered as the tigers killed a zookeeper. These people deserve another Blood River confrontation:

  166. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    OK, I understand what you mean.
    What I meant, that they had no intention to conquer the world. James Perloff’s video I had posted earlier discusses American POWs caught by German soldiers. In some farm in France they sit down for some booze and one English speaking German asks the Americans, some thing like, “so tell me, why are you Yanks in Europe?” and the Americans answer, “to stop you Germans from conquering the World.” And the Germans burst out laughing, they had never heard that they wanted to conquer the World. It was news to them. Basically all this was propaganda on the US and British commonwealth peoples to rile them up.
    Hitler did tell Indian revolutionary leader Subhash Chandra Bose that had his troops been close to India he would have marched into India with Bose to kick out the British. One German military leader was baffled at the advanced ideas Bose had for India. That is why Hitler suggested Bose go to Japan. Bose went to Tokyo and met Hideki Tojo. Bose even raised an Indian army for the German SS Waffen.

  167. ivan 说:

    Sorry I cannot go on about SA. There is a warning up there about it.

  168. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    Germany is not an adept Imperial power.

    This is a myth pushed around. Strict law abiding “humourless” “cold” (ya rite, LOL) Germans did not know how to deal with law breaking, “warm” darkies. Sure, atleast in Asia and Africa, the British were the best Empire builders and Empire runners in human history. No doubt about that, but the Germans were pretty good too.

    布鲁斯·吉利教授为德国殖民主义辩护

    Sir Alan Burns, a British Colonial Official was involved in fighting the Germans during WW1 in the clash in between the German and British Empires in Africa. He wrote a letter after a battle to his wife where he states he was surprised how the Black Africans of the German Empire fought hard for Kaiser and Empire and the high popularity the Germans had in their African Empire. The high support and legitimacy the Germans enjoyed among the native Black populations.
    German East Africa was actually quite successful and thus are ignored by the elite Marxist dominated academia and media.
    In Cameroon, when the German Empire were defeated by the British Empire in 1918, 18000 native Cameroonians as well as 117 Cameroonian tribal chiefs with their entourages, fled with the Germans to neutral Spanish territory.

    Germans (and Russians) were quite popular in China during Imperial days as compared to the other Europeans, Americans and the Japanese, who were in general disliked by the populace. Actually Germany and Germans is very popular among Indians, Arabs etc…
    Even the Japanese were good Empire runners.

  169. @Malla

    希特勒有明确的目标,即征服东欧以获得生存空间,并通过大规模饥饿剥夺其斯拉夫人口。 希特勒并没有谈论征服世界,这是事实。 这是西方提出的一种主张。 当然,希特勒打算在东欧建立那种帝国,这将为西方创造一个长期竞争对手,其潜在野心比苏联以往任何时候都大得多。 正是出于这个原因,西方领导人决定在希特勒走远之前将其视为敌人。

    • 同意: Cking
    • 回复: @Malla
  170. Anon[441]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    Did WWII hurt America? Are you off your head? Ignoring the ONE MILLION combat casualties, it created the Military Industrial Complex, or American Empire, which has spent the last 75 years causing mayhem and death all around the world, mainly to Third World peasants, but quite a few Americans have been chewed-up in the meat-grinders initiated by the Empire as well. Plus this Beast that was birthed in Washington to fight WWII, has now come full circle and is now the sworn enemy of the original American people. It destroyed your Republic, and is now transforming your nation into a worldwide tyrannical embarrassment, as it gobbles up billions and billions as more and more Americans live under bridges and in homeless camps. America today more resembles Germany in 1946. America & Britain didn’t win anything in WWII, but at least Britain’s obvious defeat was quickly apparent, America’s death has been a long, gruesome, drawn-out affair.

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @Nancy
  171. @Mevashir

    您询问:

    ‘What do you think the world would look like today had Germany and Japan won WWII? I rather shudder to think about it.’

    My Answer: The world would be a much, MUCH better place.

    Any objective assessment would yield that conclusion.

    Of course, you shudder at the thought of a world that isn’t controlled by the Zionist Dominated Usury Banking Cartel. That’s understandable in view of the Talmudic indoctrination you’ve received in those yeshivas you attended.

    These are the same places that drummed all that nonsense about the Holohoax into your critical-thinking-deficient little brain.
    There is a plethora of unimpeachable evidence that shows there was NO sytematic extermination programme for the Jews in WWII, that there were NO gas chambers and that, to the extent that it is documented that a few hundred thousand Jews died in work camps during that conflict, the bulk of those died from the typhus epidemics of 1942/43 and in the final months of the war from malnutrition – caused by the complete breakdown of the food transportation/logistics system as everything that moved was bombed/strafed into oblivion due to Allied air superiority (German civilians were themselves starving in early 1945).

    There are countless texts that you can read for a REAL education about the Holohoax.
    A good one to start with is Nick Kollerstrom’s ‘ Breaking the Spell – The Holocaust: Myth and Reality’.

    (Kollerstrom’s book is reviewed right here on the Unz Review in an article in recent weeks. I strongly recommend you read it).

    • 同意: Malla
  172. @Mevashir

    You mentioned that I ignored your remark about ‘Hitler being a Zionist’.

    I tend to ignore inconsequential tidbits of rubbish that have no bearing in the final anlaysis – particularly when it’s prefaced with a remark [directed at me] that my statement was ‘across the board foolish’.

    Can you see the irony there ? YOU, a man who is certifiably across the board IGNORANT, telling others that their statement is foolish.

    For those that hadn’t been following our discourse, Meva’s ‘across the board foolish’ remark was directed at my statement that, had Hitler’s Germany won WWII then ….

    …. There would have been no creation of the Apartheid Israeli State, no Murder of JFK, RFK, JFK Jr, James Forrestal, no USS Liberty incident, No Vietnam war, No Gentile Blood and Treasure expended in all those wars for Israel, no 9/11 ….. etc.

    How you can dispute that ANY of the above would have occurred, had the Zionist stranglehold on the western world’s financial system been broken, is beyond me.

    ALL of the above events are documented cases of ZIO-MALFEASANCE and a victorious Hitler, along with a concomitant prosperous German post war economy (made infinitely more prosperous from not being within the orbit of the Zionist Usury Cartel of Bankers, would have been a template for the rest of the world to follow).
    It would’ve created a CONTAGION and the Zionist bankers would’ve been discarded from one country after another, domino style, and as each country reaped the fruits of unimaginable prosperity, it would’ve further inspired the remaining holdout countries that harboured the exploitative Zionists to unshackle themselves from this parasite.

    I was chuffed to hear you say ‘my position on Climate Change discredited me in your eyes’.

    [更多]

    Whenever I hear card carrying members of the Climate Cult say that, I am flattered.
    You ignorant clowns have not studied the ACTUAL SCIENCE, as espoused by the likes of the greatest climate scientist that ever lived – none other than MIT Emeritus Professor Richard Lindzen, or Princeton’s Prof Wlliam Happer, Univ of Winnipeg’s Emeritus Prof Tim Ball or Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore Phd.

    Mevashir, you’re one of these people that’s lapped up the propaganda from the Zio owned MSM about this alleged Anthropogenic Global Warming. I suppose you’re that stupid that you also believe the ‘97% of scientists believe that man made CO2 is warming the planet’ B.S ?

    The truth is the EXACT OPPOSITE:

    That video was from 7 years ago. Today there are a hell of a lot more REAL OBJECTIVE scientists on that petition that exposed the FRAUDULENT claim that man-made CO2 emissions are responsible for global warming.

    Meanwhile, I have been active here on the Unz Review eviscerating Climate Cultists by the dozen over recent months. One example that I recall was the humiliation I inflicted on yet another fool who, like you Mevashir, has been too lazy to put in the hard yards and pursue the ACTUAL science.
    Have a look at the following link, scroll down to the bottom and refer to my comments # 131 and 135 (making sure to watch the videos and read the attachments to articles):

    https://www.unz.com/article/terror-on-the-tube-behind-the-veil-of-7-7-review-of-the-book-by-nick-kollerstrom/

    Anyway, backtracking to the ‘Hitler being the Zionist’ bit, seeing as one aspect of Zionism is the securing of a homeland for the Jews, to the extent that Hitler wanted to rid Germany (and Europe) of Jewry, and to the extent that the option of sending them to Madagascar was seriously considered, then ….YES …. Hitler contributed to that aspect of Zionism.

    But of course the leading Jewish organisations opposed this plan that would’ve seen Germany’s (and the rest of Europe’s Jews) resettled safely.

    No, that didn’t fit into their plan, whereby some sort if TRAGEDY was going to be engineered to make the world believe Jews were exterminated during the war. This tragedy, this ‘Holocaust’ that foretold at the BEGINNING of the 20th century that it was going to be the magical SIX (6) million number, this was what had to happen.

    Lastly, no need to apologise about the ‘Arlington National Cemetery swallowing me up’ comment.

    It’s water off a duck’s back. I have nothing to be ashamed of in relation to my conduct and my remarks pinpointing who were the REAL HEROES that tried to prevent war between Germany and the Anglo countries.

    It is evident that Neville Chamberlain and Joseph Kennedy (acting in his capacity as U.S Ambassador to Great Britain), moved heaven and Earth in trying to stop a conflict between Hitler and the Anglo network of countries.
    It is well documented that Hitler DESPERATELY tried to avoid engaging in war (and/or impinging on their territorial/resource claims), with said aforementioned countries.

    It is WAR MONGERS like you Mevashir that would be swallowed up by Arlington National Cemetery, because the restless souls of all those countless hundreds of thousands whose lives were forfeited for nothing, would rise as one and cast you, and your ilk that act as apologists for all these wars created for the enrichment of Zionist bankers, into the abyss.

    I can’t help but LAUGH at the IRONY of all this.

    Your hypocrisy is breath-taking.

    Then again, it’s a Talmudic sort of thing that comes naturally to you, that you’ve been indoctrinated with since birth.

    ie: blame others for crimes that YOU (and your Zio brethren), are the absolute worst offenders of.

    Mevashir, you have much to learn.

    WAKE UP to who you really are and acknowledge your twisted and Orwellian take on historical and geopolitical matters.
    你会因此成为更好的人。

    • 谢谢: Arthur MacBride
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Malla
  173. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Well you certainly are eloquent and verbose. Too bad you’re mostly wrong.

    If Hitler wanted the Jews to go to Madagascar, why was the Transfer Agreement specifically for German Jews who had relocated to Palestine?

    If global warming is a hoax why is so much ice in the Arctic and Antarctic melting? Why are sea levels rising around the world? I don’t have time or the ability to Crunch the numbers and do the science as you put it. I think I have every right to trust scientific experts in the field who overwhelmingly support the fact that the planet’s climate is warming.

    I am not a Zionist and I am not a warmonger. But in the face of someone like Hitler who seems to me was a warmonger, military effort might well be justified.

    Check out this comment I posted on Haaretz. Maybe you will think twice before calling me a Zionist dupe. It concerns a high level Mexican official who is not even Jewish who is seeking asylum in the state of Israel to avoid a commission of inquiry in Mexico about his behavior as advocating torture murder and mass embezzlement of government funds:

    Light to the Nations or Gaslighting the Nations???:
    https://www.nytimes.com/es/2021/07/15/espanol/tomas-zeron-israel.html
    https://digismak.com/ayotzinapa-case-israel-refuses-to-extradite-tomas-zeron/

    Is this Mexican criminal even a Jew? Way to go Israel: making more people hate Jews every day! Or as the saying goes “Anti-Semitism is a disease. You catch it from Israelis.”

  174. Mevashir 说:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-allegedly-delaying-extradition-case-of-mexican-ex-official-over-un-votes/
    My comment was posted to this Times of Israel article. I just checked and they deleted the comment as they often do with critical comments about Israel.

    These are some other comments I posted to The Times of Israel tonight. Most of them have been deleted:

    Here’s how I would educate American Jewish kids about Zionism. A group of thugs break into a home, kill half the residents, throw the other half out onto the street, and then complain that people in the neighborhood won’t adopt these homeless folks.

    We don’t want to support an occupying power that brutalizes the occupied population. The Israeli GDP is almost as high as the American. We want the American government to cut you loose and let you find your own way in the Middle Eastern neighborhood. We have no obligation to support you at all. You don’t even recognize liberal forms of Judaism but allow the Orthodox rabbis to rule like a bunch of Jewish jihadist mullahs. While 80% of the Israeli population is completely secular. You are a stinking self-righteous hypocritical country and we American Jews wash our hands of you. Shalom and good luck.

    Why are you concerned about reform Jews? The Israeli government already has made clear that Evangelical Christians are its main base. So satisfy yourselves with these right wing fundamentalists and leave American Jews alone. You can have your Jewish Sparta and we will enjoy our Jewish Athens.

    We can only hope that American parents will be smart enough to protect their children from the onslaught of the Israeli hasbara paid professional Liars. It’s outrageous that Israel a foreign country is allowed access to the education of these Americans! Imagine if Beijing ran cultural education programs for Chinese Americans! Every one of these organizations that lobbies on behalf of Israel should be registered as a foreign entity with all of their generous American privileges stripped away.

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    Sara Greentree
    Liberal Jews are liberals first, Jews and Americans last.
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    Menachem Mevashir
    And Zionists are Nazis first and Jews last

    Barak Hullman
    How beautiful to see that the Reform movement does have influence. It taught young people to fight for justice, Tikkun Olam, and all of that other Jewish stuff was irrelevant. It worked and this is what you get.
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    Menachem Mevashir
    Big words considering 80% of Israelis are secular. American reform Jews have more of a Jewish identity than the average Israeli does. Unless killing Amalek is the entirety of the Israeli Jewish perspective. You can keep your Israeli Jewish Sparta and we will enjoy our American Jewish Athens.

    May the day come soon when all American Jewish Zionists will pack their bags and move to their Zionist Homeland in the Middle East. And stop polluting America with their dual loyalties
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    Menachem Mevashir
    Remember after the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting when the Israeli government Minister stated that evangelicals are Israel’s base. So why are you even worrying about American Reform Jews? Reform Judaism isn’t even legally recognized in the state of Israel. Why would you expect American reform Jews to support a country that walks on them like a doormat? Be satisfied with your Ultra Orthodox Jews and your fundamentalist Evangelical Christians. And leave reform Jews alone!

  175. Malla 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Not really, Hitler’s invasion of the USSR was to pre-emtively strike a very likely Soviet invasion of Western Europe. Hungary and Romania took part in the invasion for the same reason, threat of Soviet Communist invasion not lebesraum.

    正是出于这个原因,西方领导人决定在希特勒走远之前将其视为敌人。

    什么垃圾!

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  176. Malla 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Hew bud 看看这本书。

    https://archive.org/download/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939/WhatTheWorldRejectedHitlersPeaceOffers1933-1939ByDr.FriedrichStieve.pdf

    世界拒绝了什么:希特勒的和约提供1933-1940年
    弗里德里希·斯蒂夫
    Sandycroft Publications,25 年 2016 月 94 日 – 历史 – XNUMX 页

    Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe–and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

    作者详细列出了希特勒的所有提议,并附有引述,从他 17 年 1933 月 18 日的第一次提议、1933 年 21 月 1935 日的第二次提议、31 年 1936 月 30 日的第三次提议、1938 月 6 日的第四次提议开始, 1938年,1939年6月1939日的第五次提议,1年17月XNUMX日的第六次提议,XNUMX年末向波兰提出的第七次和平解决但泽走廊问题的提议,最后,他在XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日的世界和平提议,就在英国和法国因 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日入侵波兰而对德国宣战(但不是对 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日也入侵波兰的苏联)宣战后一个多月。

    新版本受益于原始出版物中没有出现的四个新部分(我不确定上面链接的 pdf 是新的还是旧的)。 这些都是:

    – 19 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日,法国沦陷后,希特勒在德国国会大厦发表的“呼吁和平与理智”演讲全文。 尽管将近一半的英国内阁想接受他的提议,丘吉尔的好战结束了这个最后的和平提议;

    – 希特勒的政治遗嘱,在他 29 年 1945 月 XNUMX 日去世前几个小时口述,其中他再次阐明了他如何试图避免战争,并指责其他国家拒绝接受他的和平提议的犹太煽动者;

    Hermann Göring’s final letter–from this death cell in Nuremberg–to Winston Churchill, in which he blamed the latter’s warmongering on behalf of “Jewish Bolsheviks” for the conflict;

    摘自《福雷斯特日记》,美国海军部长詹姆斯福雷斯特在其中引用英国首相内维尔张伯伦的话说,“世界犹太人”迫使英国参战。

    早在 1933 年(直到今天),德国的敌人就一直认为阿道夫·希特勒是历史上已知的最大的和平扰乱者。 但希特勒一再试图诱使其他国家的政府与他合作重建欧洲,这在他的行为中屡见不鲜。 这些尝试每次都失败了,因为没有任何地方愿意给予他们应有的考虑。 这份 1940 年的概要简要概述了希特勒从第三帝国初期到二战爆发后的各种和平计划——它还表明了这些维护和平的努力是如何被那些……根本不想要和平的人阻挠的.

    • 同意: Arthur MacBride
    • 谢谢: Mevashir, Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  177. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    But recognize that the City of London bankers would then still remain in control of the global financial system, something you oppose.

    好点子。

    What would Germany have done with Russia?

    Leave it alone. German (along with 5 other nations) invaded to preemptively strike before the Soviets attacked Central and Western Europe. If however Russia was liberated in war (Operation Barbarossa) from the Communists, leave Russia to a German friendly regime run by Andrey Vlasov Vlasov of the Russian Liberation Army. Could have taken some land concessions for Germany in return for liberating Russia from Communism. Russians would be reminded that it was with German help that they could liberate themselves from Communism.

    What would be the fate of the American Jewish community, which is large and prosperous, in the face of a German victory?

    Maybe a “Don’t interfere in Europe and we don’t interfere with you in Murica” a live and let live approach.

    What would the Middle East look like after a German victory?

    Germany had to go into North Africa only because of Italy, Mussolini’s ambitions. Many Arabs and Iranians were pro-German, could have come up with a good deal with the Third Reich.

    Finally, since the EU is said to be controlled by the Bundesbank, the EU is de facto German and thus Hitler’s dream of controlling continental Europe has come to pass.

    Hitler had no interest in controlling Europe . And today’s Globalist Corporation controlled European World combined with globo-homo, Cultural Marxism and Cultural degradation with loads of non European infiltrators is nothing like the Third Reich.

    I’m not sure why you are cheering on Nazism which is socialism. We have German national socialism vs Soviet international socialism and how do we choose sides?

    哲学家奥托·韦宁格本人也是犹太人,他写道:
    Communism must be distinguished clearly from socialism, the former being based on a community of goods, an absence of individual property, the latter meaning, in the first place a co-operation of individual with individual, of worker with worker, and a recognition of human individuality in every one. Socialism is Aryan (Owen, Carlyle, Ruskin, Fichte). Communism is Jewish (Marx). Modern social democracy has moved far apart from the earlier socialism, precisely because Jews have taken so large a share in developing it. In spite of the associative element in it, the Marxian doctrine does not lead in any way towards the State as a union of all the separate individual aims, as the higher unit combining the purposes of the lower units. Such a conception is as foreign to the Jew as it is to the woman.”

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
  178. Mevashir 说:
    @Malla

    早在 1933 年(直到今天),德国的敌人就一直认为阿道夫·希特勒是历史上已知的最大的和平扰乱者。 但希特勒一再试图诱使其他国家的政府与他合作重建欧洲,这在他的行为中屡见不鲜。 这些尝试每次都失败了,因为没有任何地方愿意给予他们应有的考虑。 这份 1940 年的概要简要概述了希特勒从第三帝国初期到二战爆发后的各种和平计划——它还表明了这些维护和平的努力是如何被那些……根本不想要和平的人阻挠的.

    Fascinating. I suggest that the Germans had a serious PR problem. Their ideology (even if you want to admire it) was for Germany only. It offered nothing to the rest of the world. Contrast that with British Imperialism and Bolshevik internationalism.

    But I am considering this perspective of you and Truth Vigilante more.

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  179. Mevashir 说:
    @Malla

    The Philosopher Otto Weininger, who was himself Jewish, wrote

    你有这个来源吗?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger
    Jewishness vs. Christianity
    In a separate chapter, Weininger, himself a Jew who had converted to Christianity in 1902, analyzes the archetypal Jew as feminine, and thus profoundly irreligious, without true individuality (soul), and without a sense of good and evil. Christianity is described as “the highest expression of the highest faith”, while Judaism is called “the extreme of cowardliness”. Weininger decries the decay of modern times, and attributes much of it to feminine (or identically, “Jewish”) character. By Weininger’s reckoning everyone shows some femininity, and what he calls “Jewishness”.[15]

    Considering that he committed suicide at the age of 23, do you think he’s a credible source?

    Here are some more ruminations.

    1. The Germans overran the French very quickly. So at the very least they had contingency plans to conquer Western Europe.

    2. What would have been the fate of Poland?

    3. I’ve seen a famous photo of the swastika flying over the Parthenon in Greece:

    Again this suggests to me a broad conquest. Incidentally, I knew a Greek Jew in Israel from Salonika. He told me that the Germans deported almost the entire Jewish community who all perished. Why did they do this? The Jews of Salonika represented no threat to the Germans.

    4. A BBC book about Auschwitz claims that the persecution of Jews greatly intensified after 1942, when Hitler saw that the allies were determined to save Stalin at all costs. The book speculates that Hitler viewed the Jews of Europe as akin to hostages to force his enemies to negotiate. But that failed because the Allies insisted on unconditional surrender. So I thought that if the Germans had succeeded in overrunning the USSR quickly, the war might have ended early and the bulk of Jewish deaths also would have been avoided.

    5. Would you expect Japan to invade Australia or simply to install a Vichy like government?

    6. Would Japan try to retake Hawaii? How would they have dealt with China?

    7. Was India neutral in WWII?

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Malla
  180. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    What would they have done with all the Indochina countries yearning for freedom? What would they have done to Australia?

    Give them Independence after some time maybe. If there would have been no sanctions on Japan by the USA nor would there be a war with the Chinese Nationalists (and thus the need to cut out their supply routes in South East Asia), Japan might have never gone there. Anyways if the Pan Asianism ideology would have taken sway, after a short period of occupation (in case of a end of hostilities), give them freedom and put Japan friendly regimes in place. Actually the Japanese supported Indonesian Independence and were preparing the Javans for eventual independence from the Dutch Empire. Actually seeing the Asian Japanese defeat Europeans gave South East Asians confidence for their independence later on. They would be reminded that it was with Japan’s help they could leave the European Empires. Subhash Chandra Bose would be put into power in India by the Japanese Empire with the blessings of both Hitler and Tojo. He was the most popular leader in India anyways and would have been far better for the country. He would have been best for India.
    To understand Bose check out this historical conversation in between Indian revolutionary leader Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose and Fuhrer of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler. it was Hitler who advised him to go to Japan and furnished Bose a U-boat for the purpose. Germany has a very old tradition of helping Indian revolutionaries against the British Empire. During WW1, we had the famous or infamous German-Hindu conspiracy against the British Raj. The Kaiserite Germans had also instigated Irish and Egyptian separatists.

    Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose meets Führer Adolf Hitler

    The Indian National Anthem Jana Gana Mana, written by Nobel Laureate Rabindranath Tagore was first played in an official position in NS Third Reich Germany!!

    Indian revolutionary leader, Bose giving a speech in Germany in German wishing an Axis victory and liberty for India. Later we see a German official in the video, an official who knew him, speaking about how advanced Bose’s ideas were about India.
    Even Mahatma Gandhi’s Personal Assistant would later remark (age 96 in 2018) that separation from the British Empire was a disaster for India except had it been Subhash Chandra Bose in power instead of the other corrupt lootar politicians.

    https://archive.is/aIscY#selection-2191.9-2201.396
    英国统治比今天的政府更好:甘地的 PA 2018
    周二在马杜赖担任圣雄甘地私人助理的 V Kalyanam 说:“英国统治比现在的统治者好得多,我更喜欢英国统治而不是现在的统治。”
    Kalyanam, now 96, said he felt the present-day rulers in the country had failed to provide the governance that Gandhiji had envisioned. “There was no corruption during the British rule and Gandhiji himself had commended their administrative excellence many times,” he said, adding that governance might have been better had the government established under Netaji’s leadership after Independence.

    • 回复: @Malla
  181. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    Regarding your question about Japanese Empire and other Asian countries as well as a continuation on Bose on advice on Hitler going to Tokyo to meet Hideki Tojo. Japan too had a long history of supporting Indian revolutionaries against British Empire under its “Asia of Asians”, Pan Asianism movement starting way back from the Japanese Black Dragon societies.

    Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose in Japan for the Greater East Asian Conference held in Tokyo from 5 to 6 November 1943
    You see representatives from most Asian countries including Burma.
    Netaji sought alliance with Hitler’s Third Reich. They even established the SS Waffen Free Indian Legion out of former British Indian POWs and they were ready to march to India en route Afghanistan. But Germany was far away until the USSR was taken Thus on Hitler’s advice, Bose took a German U-boat, got transferred into a Japanese submarine in the Indian Ocean and went to Tokyo for an alliance with the Empire of Japan who were more than willing to help.

    Bose giving a speech at 5:01 minutes in the conference with Hideki Tojo

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  182. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    Considering that he committed suicide at the age of 23, do you think he’s a credible source?

    Yes very much. I do not think he can be judged on his mode of death but on his works which are brilliant. I suspect he was full of despair for the state of the World, but that could only come to a person of deep and profound thoughts. Idiots commit suicide for stupid reasons.

    So at the very least they had contingency plans to conquer Western Europe.

    One cannot jump to that conclusion, France declared war on Germany and lost. Germany was building up for it found itself in a hostile environment, Hitler had proposed many peace deals but he needed the security of Germany.

    What would have been the fate of Poland?

    The only question was Danzig and ethnic Germans in Poland.

    swastika flying over the Parthenon in Greece:

    Germany got involved in the Balkans, Greece and North Africa only in support of Italy. Mussolini’s ambitions was great (Roman Empire 2.0) but Italian armed forces could not live up. Indeed Hitler later considered Italy a big liability because of its adventurism for which Germany had to divert forces.

    1942年,第三帝国的富勒·阿道夫·希特勒(Adolf Hitler)用日常的声音与芬兰军事指挥官曼纳海姆(Mannerheim)交谈。
    芬兰广播公司Yle的工程师Thor Damen记录了希特勒和曼纳海姆私人谈话的前11分钟。
    希特勒
    “First the occupation of – then we had the task in Norway – at the same time we faced – I can frankly say it today – a grave misfortune, namely the weakness of, Italy. Because of – first, the situation in North Africa, then second, because of the situation in Albania and Greece – a very big misfortune. We had to help. This meant for us, with one small stoke, first – the splitting of our air force, splitting of our tank force, while at the same time we were preparing, the, tank arm in the east.
    We had to hand over – with one stroke, two divisions, two whole divisions and a third was added – and we had to replace continuous, very severe, losses there. It was – bloody fighting in the desert.”

  183. Mevashir 说:
    @Malla

    Thank you for all this information. You are a walking encyclopedia!

    Did Gandhi really say he wished to return to the British Empire?

    Actually the Japanese supported Indonesian Independence and were preparing the Javans for eventual independence from the Dutch Empire. Actually seeing the Asian Japanese defeat Europeans gave South East Asians confidence for their independence later on. They would be reminded that it was with Japan’s help they could leave the European Empires.

    If this is true, how did the US get Ho Chi Minh to fight against the Japanese?

    The information you and TV provide is like falling into an alternative universe. It’s simply mind boggling.

  184. Mevashir 说:
    @Malla

    I read that Weininger admired Beethoven. A couple years back when I was disillusioned with the American churches, I sat down and pondered who I would like to meet in Heaven and I decided on Beethoven! So I guess I share that in common with Weininger.

    The Ode to Joy chorus speaks of Alle Menschen Werden Brueder [All Men will Become Brothers]. I suppose this is the antithesis of Judaism that sees all men becoming slaves to Judea. Did you know that Beethoven was a devout Catholic?

    This is a good movie about him:

    The Ode to Joy scene is classic:

    The movie posits that Beethoven’s deafness was due to an injury stemming from a childhood beating by his drunk father.

    • 谢谢: Malla
  185. @Malla

    Many Arabs and Iranians were pro-German, could have come up with a good deal with the Third Reich.

    No question that they as well as the rest of the world would have prospered with an Axis win, Malla. Meaning “the rest of the world” to be more or less everybody minus the zionist-freemason clique and paid stooges. Today the appalling state of Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen thanks to unprovoked merciless savagery by said clique/stooges. A 3R win would have restrained such savagery and allowed normal development.

    However, looking into the crystal ball by extrapolating current events/trends, I’d say that the time grows closer for “What Goes Around, Comes Around.”
    ZUKUS/NATO et al., also known as the Axis of Evil is collapsing, the countries internally and their colonies. ZUSA emptied out of Afghan (Iraq may be next), their global drug dealing has been damaged, leaders are laughable men of straw … etc.

    The “pandemic” is their latest ploy, war against the world rather than enter the world of trade and diplomacy, normal relations of mutual respect, exchange of art, literature, culture (maybe b/c they have none to exchange lol), sport, philosophy etc.
    Such things are unknown to the zionist-freemason Hyena and Parasite.
    It may try to burrow into China as ZUKUS disintegrates, but the Chinese are far too wise to allow that in my humble opinion. Its time of closure may be nearer than its western media would wish to say … Nobody will weep … billions will rejoice.

    • 同意: Malla
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  186. @Arthur MacBride

    附注。 感谢您对 Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose 的评价。
    那个人是个英雄,一个强大的智慧,一个真正的爱国者。
    绝对是独立印度的最佳领导者。

    我希望他的名字今天能在印度复兴和追随。

    贾欣德。

    • 回复: @Malla
  187. Sparkon 说:

    Since this discussion has now gone pretty much off topic, I will make an effort to get it back on track by sharing a few articles I’ve found recently about Joseph P. Kennedy’s alleged bootlegging, mob connections, and other misadventures, but largely excluding the periiod of his WWII ambassadorship, which was FDR’s reward to JPK for his help silencing Father Coughlin.

    一个 story is that Joseph P. Kennedy had gone to mobster Sam Giancana on two separate occasions to ask for his protection after JPK was marked for death by other gangsters. The linked article by Ronald Goldfarb covers a lot of territory with respect to JPK, JFK, RFK and the mob.

    在早期的1920中, JPK fell afoul of the ultra-violent Purple Gang of Detroit, allegedly for smuggling booze through its territory without their permission. The linked source says JPK went to Chicago mobster Joseph “Diamond Joe” Esposito, who was able to have the contract on JPK’s life lifted.

    other accounts argue that JPK was not at all involved in smuggling or bootlegging.

    Setting aside the booze, there is no doubt JPK was involved in both Hollywood and the Stock Market, where he made a bundle during the Roaring ’20s when he had an affair with diminutive Hollywood sexpot Gloria Swanson, not that she was the end of JPK’s extra-marital dalliances.

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  188. @Sparkon

    JPK played an important role in swinging the 1932 Democratic nomination to FDR, particularly as liaison with Hearst. So FDR ‘owed’ him. JPK was looking for a cabinet post. FDR fobbed him off with Chair of the Maritime Commission (BFD) and then of the new Securities & Exchange Commission (a bigger slice). His help with the 1936 election added weight to the scale.

    Of Coughlin Nasaw writes (230) “the Detroit radio priest … advocated higher taxes on the wealthy, a guaranteed annual wage, the nationalization of public utilities, protection of organized labor … [but] Roosevelt’s most dangerous rival in 1932 was … Sen. Huey Long, … with mailing list of 7.5 million Americans and a profound understanding of how elections were fought and won.”

    He also writes that “Morgenthau noted in his diary [that] the president had agreed with him that Kennedy was ‘a very dangerous man.’” (275). Given the thoroughgoing treacherousness of Morgenthau and FDR’s habit of ingratiating interlocutors with meaningless agreement, this could mean anything.

  189. Malla 说:
    @Mevashir

    About WW2, I suggest you check this video out. By James Perloff who is of Jewish ancestry too. Covers both Germany and Japan.

    Would you expect Japan to invade Australia or simply to install a Vichy like government?

    Japan went to South East Asia first to cut supplies to Chinese nationalist troops and later to get oil from Dutch East Indies because of the American embargo. So I do not think initially they intended to conquer Australia.

    Would Japan try to retake Hawaii?

    Hawaii never was Japan’s to retake I think.
    As far as the second question.
    https://www.unz.com/avltchek/why-are-anti-migrant-arguments-in-the-e-u-u-s-pure-hypocrisy/#comment-3340948
    https://www.unz.com/avltchek/why-are-anti-migrant-arguments-in-the-e-u-u-s-pure-hypocrisy/#comment-3340959
    https://www.unz.com/avltchek/why-are-anti-migrant-arguments-in-the-e-u-u-s-pure-hypocrisy/#comment-3340967
    https://www.unz.com/avltchek/why-are-anti-migrant-arguments-in-the-e-u-u-s-pure-hypocrisy/#comment-3340970

    Was India neutral in WWII?

    India being part of the British Empire was on the side of the Allies.

    As far as Hitler’s anti-Jewish attitudes, that would take a series of more different posts.

  190. @Malla

    Hitler’s goal of achieving the conquest of living space in eastern Europe was the primary motive in all of his thinking from the time he wrote Mein Kampf up to the launching of Operation Barbarossa. If Hitler had merely been concerned about possible Soviet expansionism then all he ever needed to do was respect the Munich treaty, don’t occupy Czechoslovakia, and state his concern about seeking a better tie between Germany and Danzig. Chamberlain would have fulsomely supported him on this, there would have been no British guarantee to Poland, and once the Danzig Corridor was settled in the style of Munich then Hitler could have easily built a broad NATO-type alliance with eastern European countries against the USSR that would have maintained a Cold War in eastern Europe until the mid-1950s when Stalin would have passed away and been succeeded by Khrushchev.

    事情之所以没有走上这条路,是因为希特勒执意要征服东欧领土谋求生存空间,因此他故意违反慕尼黑条约,占领捷克斯洛伐克,对波兰提出要求,显然是按照他的模式向波兰提出要求的。只用于捷克斯洛伐克。 结果,波兰人合乎逻辑地紧追不舍,拒绝处理但泽问题,而张伯伦则宣布英国支持波兰。 斯大林为德国未来的入侵做准备的一切都是在这种情况下完成的。 即便如此,所有证据都表明,斯大林正在观望希特勒会采取什么行动,并不打算先发制人。

    Of course even when Zhukov did recommend to Stalin, around mid-May 1941, that the USSR should preemptively strike before Hitler launched his own attack this was very different from Hitler’s drive to the east to conquer living space from the subhuman Slavs. Zhukov had no interest in a general conquest of Europe but was merely observing the Hitler’s preparations for an invasion of the USSR. Stalin rejected Zhukov’s advice because Stalin still believed that the British were trying to trick the USSR into entering the war and so Stalin held back.

    Hitler’s Second Book does contain a number of airy ruminations about the future of Germany as a world power and the likelihood of rivalry with the United States. Of course this still falls far short of the comic book fantasies which used to portray Hitler as obsessed with conquering the US. But the longer term likelihood of rivalry between a future victorious Third Reich was certainly real, much more real than any of the nonsense spouted during the Cold War which alleged in 1947-8 that Stalin was preparing an imminent invasion of western Europe. That hoax was spread by the Truman administration in order to push through policies of economic aid for western Europe against the opposition of isolationists like Robert Taft.

    The real point which has been buried in this board’s commentary is that it was a great shame that the West won the Cold War. Although there’s no point in mourning too much over alternate histories which could have been, but it really would have been better for the world in Khrushchev could have succeeded in pushing through his own gradual reform efforts. Khrushchev was turned out of office in 1964 and the Brezhnev clique which succeeded him were really just lazy bureaucrats who spent the next 18 years keeping things running in repeat motion without shaking things up. When Brezhnev died there were a couple years when Andropov did start trying to get things revitalized but he died 2 years later and it was obvious that a younger generation would need to come in.

    The Gorbachev generation had already absorbed the idea that they should sell out to the West and they proceeded to do so. But in the process they also unleashed the most degenerate forces which had always existed in the West. Once it became obvious that the new generation of Soviet bureaucrats was simply throwing everything overboard in order to pander to the West this set off the worst type of hubris among Western elites. Not surprisingly, at the time conservatives were all enraptured with this as a sign Reagan’s great triumph. Subsequently it turned out to have very different consequences from what was anticipated.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Malla
  191. @Mevashir

    虽然希特勒在对外公共关系方面很笨拙,但关于他所谓的和平提议的内容只是垃圾。 希特勒在自己的备忘录中非常明确地表示,与波兰的问题是生存空间之一,但泽并不重要。 就但泽问题向波兰提出的正式提议并不是一个严肃的和平提议。 29 年 1938 月 15 日,张伯伦与希特勒签订了慕尼黑条约,并于 1939 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日开始占领捷克斯洛伐克。 然后在 XNUMX 月,希特勒开始对但泽走廊提出要求,同时在他自己的备忘录中私下表示,与波兰的问题是居住空间而不是但泽。

    The Poles quite rightly realized that if they caved over the Danzig Corridor then Hitler could just do as he had in Czechoslovakia: wait 5 or 6 months and then occupy their whole country. So of course the Poles were obligated to reject Hitler’s “offer” over Danzig. If Hitler had been concerned about any of the things which his apologists here like to claim then he had a very easy path to follow. All that he needed to was respect the Munich treaty, don’t occupy Czechoslovakia, and raise the issue of a Danzig Corridor. In such a case Chamberlain would have enthusiastically supported his claims on Danzig, Poland would have been forced to yield, and once this was done Hitler could have begun forming his own NATO-alliance out of the east European states which would have resulted in about 15 years of Cold War in eastern Europe, ending with the death of Stalin in 1953.

    Things did not work this way because Hitler’s own ambitions were very different. Hitler aimed at conquering the vast territories of Russia and other Slavic regions such as Poland and using this as place for the mass-expansion of German settlements. In order to do this Hitler intended to allow significant portions of eastern Europe to starve to death and those Slavs who didn’t would serve as uneducated labor for the German settlers. The reason why nothing was done to recruit someone like Vlasov until 1944 was because as long as Hitler and Himmler were confident of an easy German victory they simply did not care about recruiting Slavic allies. It was only when it became obvious that the Soviet population had (sometimes reluctantly) rallied around Stalin and was going to drive into Berlin that suddenly Vlasov became Kosher enough for Himmler.

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    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @jim bob beers
  192. Mevashir 说:

    Thank you for this comment. I appreciate your trying to restore sanity to this discussion thread.

    Concerning the onslaught of apologists here trying to portray Hitler in a favorable light, their arguments make some sense but in my gut I can’t accept that Hitler was this great all-around decent guy. His picture looks ugly to me. He’s always angry and shouting. I don’t see him as someone I could ever admire

  193. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    几个问题:

    1. When you say that Hitler intended Mass starvation and slave labor for Slavic people, do you mean in a facility like Auschwitz?

    2. Was Hitler’s plan for lebensraum to the East significantly different from the American Plan of Manifest Destiny to the West? As for mass starvation and subjugation of the Slavs, it seems to me this is a pretty good description of the fate of the Indian tribes at the hands of the Americans as they expanded to the Pacific Ocean. So perhaps morally speaking we’re all pretty much living in glass houses.

    3. I don’t understand Malla. On the one hand he openly admits and praises the role of the British in India. But on the other hand he’s eager to jump onto the Hitler bandwagon.

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  194. Mevashir 说:

    Something for all the Hitler fanclub members here to ponder.

    When I was an undergraduate at Harvard, I took a class in International Relations. Our section leader was a graduate student named Elliot Cohen, who went on to become a prominent Neocon under Bush 43 and a major promoter of the US invasions of the ME:

    https://sais.jhu.edu/about-us/office-dean
    https://sais.jhu.edu/users/ecohen1
    [电子邮件保护]
    http://www.eliotacohen.com/Home/Welcome.html
    http://www.eliotacohen.com/Home/Biography.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_A._Cohen

    Elliot’s wife Judy was director of the campus Hillel. He had a very strong Jewish identity, and he seemed to relish the chance to fuse his Jewish Supermacism with American Exceptionalism. He advocated forceful American interventions throughout the globe.

    In one class he shocked us by stating If Hitler had not been an anti-Semite he would have been an ideal American ally. I just offer this as a warning to the people on this thread infatuated with Uncle Adolf: you are in bed with the Neocons you so despise.

    My photo for anyone who is curious:
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGof1hpN_yvVFcuWpKnAV-oN-MmEs0rtGEXwiFZczaj19FDIUhg1auizx4FWvdYPORPJ4&usqp=CAU

  195. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    but it really would have been better for the world in Khrushchev could have succeeded in pushing through his own gradual reform efforts. Khrushchev was turned out of office in 1964 and the Brezhnev clique which succeeded him were really just lazy bureaucrats who spent the next 18 years keeping things running in repeat motion without shaking things up.

    Wasn’t Khrushchev “turned out” as a consequence of his humiliation in the Cuban Missile Crisis? Didn’t he in fact die suspiciously a short time later?

    Is there any reason to think his reform efforts could have succeeded? His successors had 25 years in which they reformed nothing.

    As for those “degenerate forces”, I assume you mean the oligarchs. Welcome to capitalism: the only world philosophy that teaches greed is good. Amazingly idealized and lauded by American Christianity, whose Founder taught that greed is not good and that one cannot serve God and mammon. [Hence proving the utter irrelevance of American Christianity.]

    PS My previous comment should read “Jewish Supremacism”

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  196. @Mevashir

    No, Auschwitz was a labor camp. I agree with revisionists like Robert Faurisson that something like the Vrba-Wetzler Report is a bogus report which doesn’t even give an accurate description of how the cremation muffles at Auschwitz were arranged and hence is not reliable for any of its claims about gas chambers. The mass-starvation I’m speaking of is what is elaborated on in Alex Kay, Exploitation, Resettlement, Mass-Murder: Political and Economic Planning for German Occupation Policy in the Soviet Union, 1940-1941. These were plans made in the German government whereby an easy swift victory over the Soviet Union (to be accomplished militarily within 6 weeks to 3 months) would be followed by a policy of confiscating the food supplies of eastern Europe and was expected to lead to a drop in the population back to its 1914 levels, falling by about 30 million. This isn’t as colorful of an accusation as claims about alleged gassings in a camp, but the general policy aim here is much more easily documented.

    It certainly is true that many American Indians died out from European viruses which they had no immunity to. Despite some claims made occasionally (e.g. Ward Churchill) it’s generally accepted by historians that this was not a deliberately calculated policy made by the European settlers in North America, though it was a de facto result. Hitler had had an early interest in stories of the Western Frontier and this definitely influenced his ideas of a German conquest of eastern Europe. Except that things were a bit more calculated now since Hitler had seen how many American Indian tribes were de facto wiped out and envisioned something similar happening with a German resettlement in eastern Europe at the expense of the Slavs.

    If you are interested in reading Hitler’s own words it can be worth getting the 4-volume series assembled by Max Domarus which includes of course all of the statements where Hitler claims to be making a peace offer over Danzig, but also includes other internal memos which shed a different light on things. Only by reading across the entire span of such documents can one form a coherent sense of Hitler’s aims. If one simply going to select the occasional speech where Hitler seems to throw out an offer of peace then that doesn’t reveal as much as one might think.

    I still stand by A.J.P. Taylor’s basic point, although it is often misrepresented. It comes down to the difference between the “gambler” versus “conspirator” model. The favorite image of a villain is that of the conspirator who has planned everything nicely out and hatches a criminal plot. Although such events do periodically occur, and can sometimes make a significant difference on historic outcomes, there is a limit to how far this applies. When it comes to something like the outbreak of a giant war like 1914 or 1939 (as opposed to Panama or Grenada) it is usually the case that the outcome is bigger than any conspiracy. Such wars are more often set off when someone plays a gamble that they can achieve some significant victory on the cheap, while accepting a risk that something bigger may blow up.

    When the Allies held their own staged trials in 1946 they made it a point to present things in very conspiratorial terms. Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression was even a title for a set of volumes published after the trials. Taylor reviewed the evidence and arrived at the conclusion that Hitler had never had a coherent conspiracy to start a Second World War. Instead Taylor viewed Hitler as an ambitious man who was willing to play his cards in an aggressive way, but who nonetheless was caught by surprise when his actions set off a major war. At the time Taylor wrote this it was considered shocking because so many people were accustomed to assuming that Hitler meant to start a Second World War. By the time Ian Kershaw wrote his biography of Hitler it was normal for him title the chapter WWII breaks out as “Miscalculation” with the clear meaning that the outbreak of general war was not planned.

    There are some small sects which sort of exist on blowing this all up. They’re not willing to just accept that Hitler’s aggressive gambles led to the outbreak of a war which turned out to be a bigger contest than had been planned on. Instead they shift to the idea that Hitler himself must have been the victim of a conspiracy planned by various world powers. Now there’s no question that lots of Jewish groups all around the world looked forward to the overthrow of Hitler from the moment he gained the Chancellorship. It’s also true that after the fiascos in Gallipoli and other places in the First World War, Winston Churchill was looking forward to a new “war to make the world safe for democracy” where this time he would write the books and cast his role in the proper form. There were actually lots of different people with agendas ready to be pursued once war broke out. But Hitler’s own actions were the most decisive factor in bringing everything to the boiling point.

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  197. @Mevashir

    Khrushchev passed away in 1971 after being deposed in 1964, so I wouldn’t say that he died “a short time later.” The Cuban Missile Crisis was certainly pivotal to his downfall. Jonathan Steele and Eric Abraham, Andropov in Power, describe some of the efforts to get things moving which Andropov started. But he passed away in 1984 and things went pretty flat again. A quick look at China and Russia in the period 1990-2000 should persuade anyone that Russia took the wrong path. Instead of methodically making allowances for managerial initiatives they simply abandoned any semblance of central planning all at once and suddenly factory managers were required to deduce from a market what the priority should be. Such a drastic dumping of official responsibility after decades of heavy government planning meant disaster. I’m sure that many Chinese who watched things unfold under Yeltsin were glad that they didn’t go that route.

    Well, yes, oligarchs, but oligarchs who were suddenly filled with a sense of superiority. The USA had oligarchs in the 1950s. But they were aware that there was potentially a source of competition in other corners of the world. One didn’t have to buy the “workers paradise” claptrap in order to see rival systems being built in the USSR and the PRC meant that the western oligarchs had to be prepared to demonstrate their superiority with results. No leader in the West today has much awareness of that anymore.

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  198. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Thank you for your clarifications. I was under the impression that Krushchev was actually executed as a traitor because of Cuba.

    Your point about the Chinese learning from the collapse of the USSR is very interesting. I have often wondered about the fact that China is the factory to the world while Russia produces virtually nothing that is sold internationally apart from caviar vodka and weapons.

    How do you explain the adeptness of China as a global industrial force compared to Russia’s feebleeness and incompetence?

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  199. @Mevashir

    … Catholics were extremely anti-prohibition, not only because they like to drink but because of the need for Sacramental wine in their church services which could occur on a daily or thrice daily basis.

    I reserve opinion about the bulk of your comment (indeed about everything else in the article and the other comments upon it), but the hint of cattiness in the quoted sentence prompts a reply.

    Whether Catholics supported or opposed Prohibition is not germane. The fact is that there was nothing in the Volstead Act, however misguided and puritanical its authors and enforcers were, that banned the production and use of wines and spirits for medical and religious purposes. Those two areas were specifically exempted from the otherwise universal despotism of Prohibition, although society’s rulers, being little better then than they are now, did of course require those affected by the exemption to negotiate a minefield of registrations, licenses, and outright payoffs as a condition of being allowed to exercise the few rights that the state still had not usurped.

    Nor should it be forgotten, as someone else remarked, that the Jews liked their wine, too. Anyone who thinks they were powerless victims in 1919 needs to think again.

  200. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    There are some small sects which sort of exist on blowing this all up. They’re not willing to just accept that Hitler’s aggressive gambles led to the outbreak of a war which turned out to be a bigger contest than had been planned on. Instead they shift to the idea…

    谢谢你这么长的解释。 你对这段历史有非常微妙的理解。 细微差别是成熟而微妙的思想家的标志。 大多数人想要黑白视角。


    This is a very fascinating book that patiently explains the buildup to World War II on all sides. It starts about 1920 and shows how all of the major actors were already re-arming and preparing for war as soon as World War I ended. For instance it explains that the president of Harvard James Conant, who was a Nobel prize winner in chemistry, was appointed by FDR to head up America’s unconventional weaponry program specifically to design chemical biological and nuclear weapons. Conant was actually the person who oversaw the Manhattan project.

    One of the most interesting things I learned from this book was Winston Churchill’s pathological hatred for Germany. I don’t know if it was just his attitude toward the Nazi regime or towards German culture in general. But the book claims that immediately after the German invasion of Poland Churchill ordered night time bombing runs of civilian cities along the Rhine River to terrorize the German population into rising up and overthrowing Hitler. Apparently this campaign continued for 6 months before the Germans decided to retaliate with what is portrayed in the West as the Battle of Britain as an unprovoked German attack on innocent England.

    The book also quotes the Prime Minister of Australia who had traveled to London for consultations at the outbreak of the war who remarked about his shock to see the vehemence of Churchill’s animosity towards Germany. I believe he described Churchill as a person with maniacal hatred.

  201. @Anonymous

    True. All of it. Lindbergh went from world famous hero to bum, at least in his home nation. An amazing phenomenon and a lesson to the truly “woke”.

  202. @Mevashir

    One thing which may have influenced outcomes in China versus Russia was the way that Cold War alliances shifted. China began inviting Western investments in 1978. At this time the split between China and the USSR was well known and so the Reagan administration readily pursued an alliance with the one against the other. That gave China an opportunity to slowly learn how to accommodate and regulate foreign investors. The corporations of the West went along with a lot of restrictions as part of this policy of playing the 2 major Asian powers off. There was no similar incentive for any Western investors to adopt a patient attitude towards eastern Europe. Since the USSR had always been the principal rival of the West through the Cold War the main desire was just to see eastern Europe opened for investment as a pure victory unto itself. To top it off, the worst aspects of such thinking seem to have been willingly adopted by Yeltsin himself. Chinese officials never succumbed to such vulgarity but simply accepted the argument that they could use some Western investment as a tool for further development of China.

  203. @Mevashir

    Thank you!! I have not heard that attitude in ages, ………”the sick Puritanical mind that lays awake at night wondering if “someone somewhere was enjoying himself.” Contrasted to someone like Luther, playing cards in the church rectory and drinking beer with the faithful, all the while teaching that God is O.K with his creation on just about everything but their not having faith in his love.

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  204. @Mevashir

    Churchill was in most ways a product of those who benefitted most from the British Empire. He was an elitist, he liked learning things and was closed minded to the good traits that other European nations had, this being a time when the same could be said of the other nations as well. Europeans became so in love with the particular country they belonged to, that the common way of referring to their nation was as a lover talks about his love interest, my Italy, or my France or my Germany,etc.

    When the young Winston saw the new and modern battleships coming out of German factories, he was extremely alarmed and jealous. At the time the Germans were the worlds number one producers of steel. He carried this jealousy with him right up to the beginning of and during WW 2. It was strange that he more than any other Brit, was responsible for the loss of the Empire to the U.S. Of course this is an extremely abridged view of Mr. Churchill’s attitude towards Germany but is, I believe, correct in its essence.

  205. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    If I could draw upon your erudition a bit more:

    1. About Indian deaths in starvation I was not referring to the spread of viruses and infections. I was referring to the deliberate extermination of their food source the buffalo. Whenever the Indians were corralled into reservations and they forfeited their prime hunting grounds. These hunting areas would come in conflict with metal prospectors and especially the expanding railroad system. Buffalo were seen as a danger to the tracks and this is one reason why the Buffalo were exterminated. It turns out that Abraham Lincoln the so-called great emancipator was particularly hostile to the Indians because in the midst of the civil war he authorized an aggressive program of building the transcontinental railroad. I believe that the railroad was one of the main instigators of policies detrimental to the Indian tribes.

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    2. American commentator Patrick Buchanan wrote a book claiming the US should have stayed out of world war II entirely and allowed Germany and Russia to fight it out to the death. Do you think this was a feasible option? Once Britain entered the war could the United States truly have sat on the sidelines as Buchanan advocates?

    3. I read that the tiny military of Finland was able to repulse the Red Army very quickly. So I would assume that the German military would have had no problem at all overcoming the Soviet military were it not for the Allied effort to rearm stalin. Do you think it is feasible that the Germans would have succeeded in their Operation Barbarossa had the West not rearmed stalin?

    4. I read this book some years back. I recall that it claims that initially Auschwitz housed mainly Russian POWs following the German invasion of the USSR. It was only after 1942 that Jewish deportations accelerated and Jews began to fill Auschwitz. The book suggests that the longer the war lasted the more enraged Hitler was with his Western opposition and that he deported Jews almost as a revenge tactic:

    So I speculated that had the Germans won a quick victory over the Soviet Union perhaps most of the Jewish misery of world war II would never have happened. What do you think the Germans would have done about the Jews of Europe had they quickly consolidated their victories in the east and the west?

    5. Incidentally this book on Auschwitz claims that there were two gas chambers that the Germans charmingly referred to as the little red and the little green rooms. The book is based on a documentary series that is on YouTube:
    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdp5o5V2suK3PIXaE7Cwe0MoA75VJJTc6

    This final episode includes interviews with Germans who worked at Auschwitz who admit that there were homicidal gas Chambers:

    See Höß at 21:00 and Gröning at

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  206. Mevashir 说:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The sick Puritanical mind comment is from someone named Ivan:
    https://www.unz.com/article/joseph-p-kennedy-the-cursed-peacemaker/#comment-4778082

    Anti drinking Christian groups are far more than Puritans. They include Baptists Seventh-Day Adventists and Mormons.

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  207. Mevashir 说:

    NOTE TO RON UNZ:

    I am sitting in Whole Foods having something to drink and their store Wi-Fi is blocking your website.

  208. @Mevashir

    Churchill was famous for zig zags as David Carlton, Churchill and the Soviet Union, illustrates. I wouldn’t say that Churchill was fanatically anti-German in any prolonged way but that when he was fixated on a task which treated Germany as the enemy he threw himself into it with fervor. But when 1945 rolled around Churchill was advocating that German armies should be armed to aid in the launch of a war against the USSR in July. Operation Unthinkable was rejected by his own officers, but he later tried to urge Truman to make a nuclear attack on the USSR before a Soviet bomb was developed. All in the same vein as his earlier anti-German gusto.

  209. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    At 17:00 the narrator says that 70% of all Jews deported to Auschwitz were murdered immediately upon arrival.

    At 30:00 discusses Treblinka as the main Nazi extermination center:

    “99% of Jews were dead within two hours of arriving at the camp poisoned by exhaust fumes in Treblinka’s gas chambers.”

    34:00 mass incineration of bodies at Auschwitz

    36:00 Höß decision to make killing more efficient.

    42:00 installation of enormous gas chamber at Treblinka

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  210. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    28:00 discusses the original use of Zyklon-B to kill Russian POWs and the sick.

    40:00 discusses the two gas Chambers built by Höß at Birkenau, two miles from Auschwitz, called the Little Red House and the Little White House.

  211. @Mevashir

    I have no reason take issue with your statement that metal prospectors and railroads would have interfered with the life of the native tribes. I mentioned the bit about viruses because this involved the most blatant instances of mass-deaths being triggered among the American Indian populace by the European settlers. But there was certainly longer term trend to push native tribes out of the regions which they had lived in. Obviously Hitler’s own envisioned drive for living space would have entailed gradually pushing many Slavs out of their traditional territory in order to make room for an expanding Aryan race. None of this would have involved gas chambers however.

    I don’t generally spend my time arguing about what was really a necessary war for the US. But it certainly is true that the US gained more economic prosperity off of WWII than from any other war since. It’s obviously absurd for anyone to suggest that Hitler’s brand of national socialism offered any alternative since Hitler’s plans for Germany were premised on a major conquest of eastern Europe. Hitler was simply surprised that the invasion of the USSR resulted in a big war rather than a swift campaign with an easy victory on the cheap. So both Hitler and Roosevelt ultimately depended on war for the economic recovery which they wanted. But I don’t generally try to figure out whether such was really “necessary” in an absolute sense.

    There’s a huge difference between the Finns fighting to defend their own country and the Soviets invading versus Hitler launching an attack with the aim of conquering living space in Russia. The only chance which Hitler ever had of winning a war like that was to bury all of the stuff about “living space” which he had stated in Mein Kampf and instead declare this to be a war for the liberation of Russia. Some people like Ribbentrop, Rosenberg and even Goebbels would have favored this approach, but not Hitler or Himmler. Adam Tooze noted that:

    “The Soviet miracle was not due to Western assistance. Lend-lease did not begin to affect the balance on the Eastern Front until 1943. The best single explanation for this remarkable triumph was the extraordinary concentration of Soviet production on a limited number of weapons in a handful of giant factories, permitting the fullest possible realization of economics of mass-production.”
    — Wages of Destruction, p. 589.

    It’s way off base for anyone to imagine that the USSR was simply helplessly dependent on Western industry.

    In the early stages of Barbarossa it was assumed that there would be a swift deportation of Jews to the east following a rapid victory. Camps such as Treblinka were set up at junctures where the rail-tracks changed and were meant to be transit camps for deporting Jews to the east. By 1943 it had become clear that a swift German victory was not in the cards and so the Auschwitz camp was expanded as a labor camp, as part of a broader expansion of the whole system of forced labor. But the aim of deporting Jews to the east was a fundamental goal, not something that was suddenly adopted because the war took too long.

    Of course there is a smattering of various confessions about gas chambers that were obtained by the Allies. This shouldn’t be more surprising than confessions obtained in the Moscow Show Trials of the 1930s. This goes beyond just the matter of physical threats to prisoners, although Rudolf Hoess was beaten very badly by the British to extract a confession from him. But along with the stick there were carrots. Albert Speer led a charmed life where he always maintained that though he never knew anything about gas chambers yet he should have known and he was therefore guilty. After serving his sentence from Nuremberg he was made into a respectable man again until the time of his death.

    If one really wants to get down to specific confessional statements by particular individuals then that would call for more time than I’m giving it here. But I will say that thus far every such alleged confession around the gas chamber story runs into major problems when it is viewed critically in context. Context means both being aware of the Allied motivation for demanding confessions as well as comparing with known facts about the camps. I mentioned the Vrba-Wetzler report because this is a famous example of a document which gives a completely wrong description of how crematoria were laid out at Auschwitz. But lots of smaller examples of such false stories exist in circulation.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  212. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    But the aim of deporting Jews to the east was a fundamental goal, not something that was suddenly adopted because the war took too long.

    Again thank you for your explanation. When you say to the east how far east are you talking about? To the Urals? To Birobidzhan?

    When Holocaust revisionists or deniers talk about the wonderful amenities at Auschwitz, such as a theater a soccer field a swimming pool a library and a brothel, I am quite certain that these were for the Camp staff and not for the prisoners.

    Albert Speer led a charmed life where he always maintained that though he never knew anything about gas chambers yet he should have known and he was therefore guilty.

    Is there any reason to think Speer would have known about gas chambers? Since he was the chief economic planner for the Nazi regime, why were the Allies so lenient to him?

    Why were the British so keen on extracting a confession from Höss? Do you consider it significant that in his wartime writings Churchill makes no mention of a Holocaust?

    I didn’t know that Churchill wished to continue the war against the Soviet Union. Did he basically have the same view as General Patton?

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  213. @Mevashir

    丘吉尔对苏联对波兰的侵犯感到愤怒,并试图鼓吹一场新的战争。 乔纳森·沃克,不可思议的行动,第三次世界大战:英国计划攻击苏联帝国,1945 年。由于战胜了希特勒,丘吉尔小心翼翼地试图赢得关键人物的支持。 当他的员工拒绝这个想法时,他被迫接受。 但它应该提醒人们,如果斯大林沉迷于像 Rezun 这样的人所暗示的鲁莽疯狂,将会发生什么。 假设苏联入侵欧洲的目的是(根据 Rezun 模型)将整个大陆苏维埃化,这将很快使丘吉尔与斯大林开战。 丘吉尔没有其他办法来挽救他的声誉。 但在 1945 年,他已经因一次胜利而声名鹊起,因此,他有理由谨慎地反对与反对他的反苏运动想法的人争论太多。

    The failure of Churchill to say much about certain things in his official history is certainly noteworthy. I wouldn’t make an automatic conclusion from that alone but it deserves to be recognized. Also the fact that Eisenhower and de Gaulle didn’t have much to say. This may not be enough to make one conclude that certain stories were necessarily fake, but it still stands out in some way.

    事实上,斯佩尔参与了使用集中营劳动力的战争生产,这使得他非常怀疑他对所谓的毒气室以某种常规方式运作一无所知。 当他在世时,公开承认他可能不知道。 自从他去世后,人们现在更普遍地认为他当然知道。 但施佩尔在世时在宣传盟军对某些事物的看法方面发挥了重要作用。 可以指出的是,施佩尔承认了一切,并对自己参加了第三帝国感到遗憾。 由于缺乏毒气室的任何文件,这是使结论可信的重要工具。

    It’s not really possible to determine “how far to the east” in any technical sense. First of all, the original plans would have been altered once it became clear that the Soviet Army was not going to crumble quickly as anticipated. Secondly, with the Allied victory the official story was that “evacuation to the east” was merely a euphemism for “exterminate in gas chambers.” Any evidence of evacuations (of which there still is some) would have been played down. Not just in the sense of possibly destroying some documents which could shed light on the matter of deportations, how far and to where, but also just a failure to follow investigative leads while the trail was hot. There is evidence of substantive movements of people, some portion of whom were undoubtedly Jewish, in the last stages of the war and early postwar years. If no one was specifically investigating things then for evidence of Jews having been deported into eastern Europe then much of the evidence will have been lost, even without a specific cover-up.

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  214. @Mevashir

    You’re still peddling your nonsense about the Holohoax I see.

    There is NO proof that any systematic extermination programme was undertaken at Treblinka, or Sobibor or ….. anywhere for that matter.

    Just because you’ve seen a Zio-cabal / Steven Spielberg elaborately produced fantasy documentary about it, does not make it so.

    Mevashir, your whining about others being ‘Hitler apologists’ is getting tiresome.

    No one is saying that Hitler was squeaky clean. Both sides committed war crimes and atrocities during that conflict – as indeed occurs in all major conflicts.

    然而,对谁做了什么的客观评估将表明,盟军(尤其是盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国)犯下了更严重的二战罪行。
    (For example: Fire bombing of German and Japanese cities – notably Dresden, the dropping of the two A-bombs on Japan, the needless starvation and mistreatment of German P.O.W’s after cessation of hostilities, resulting in the deaths of countless hundreds of thousands).

    因此,从相对而言,希特勒是两害相权取其轻的。

    我知道你无法理解那个 Mevashir,因为你从出生以来就被灌输了对希特勒的仇恨。

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  215. @Observator

    观察员,我们能得到哈里·埃尔默·巴恩斯 (Harry Elmer Barnes) 引文的具体引用吗?

  216. It interests me that the topic of this article, Joseph P. Kennedy, whose story bears considerable import as a witness and participant in a truly fateful passage of American history, one that is still very much with us and very much hanging in the balance, has been entirely lost most of the ensuing discussion, buried under an avalanche of obsessive niggling over matters that pertain hardly even tangentially to the (very serious) subject of the article, though apparently quite dear to their several obsessive exponents. The net result is diversion, confusion, obfuscation, obstruction. Is that also the motive? Or merely an inadvertent consequence of ranters ranting? Does it make any difference?

    One difference it makes is that when, for instance, someone like Observator offers his quotation from Harry Elmer Barnes (that saint of American historiography), a quotation that bear in hard on the crux of the matter — it gets lost entirely in the barrage of bullshit. Is this also an inadvertent consequence? Or something else?

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  217. @J. Alfred Powell

    I could go looking for the exact quote, but I haven’t bothered because it is fundamental BS. Barnes was an intriguing figure who went off the rails slowly. Barnes has a lot of resemblance to some people who were periodically given trips through the Gulag by the Soviet government and subsequently refused to believe that there was anything wrong with what they had been shown. In Barnes’ case he was first played by the German government in the 1920s, and he never got over this.

    As a result of the Russian Revolution there was a huge release of documents showing deals which Russian governments had discussed with the Allies. This led to demands for more information by academics in the Allied states and so by the 1920s there was a lot of scrutiny of everything which the Allies had contemplated during the war. But there was no comparable release of German documents. Some Social Democrats like Karl Kautsky and Eduard Bernstein argued that the German records should be publicly released like in the Allied states. But the German military promoted the lie that such demands were a “stab in the back” and refused to make such releases. It wasn’t until 1961 that Fritz Fischer finally produced Germany’s Aims in the First World War as the first historical work which actually took an unhindered look at German documents.

    What happened with Barnes in the 1920s was that the German government officially invited him to conduct a study of German aims in the war. Yet they fed him a pilfered chain of documents which left out any real indication of Germany’s expansionist aims in the war. Instead Barnes was given only the most benign documents which made German aims sound like a mere reaction to sinister Allied machinations. Having been fed this, Barnes subsequently refused to admit that he had been played by the German military. He became invested in an illusion.

    关于巴恩斯(非常错误地)将 1939 年战争爆发归咎于罗斯福的引述,巴恩斯只是吞下了希特勒关于他关心但泽的(错误)保证。 23 月 XNUMX 日,Schmundt 中校记录了一份由希特勒口述的协议,他说:

    “It is not Danzig that is at stake. For us it is a matter of expanding our living space in the east.”

    希特勒援引但泽作为对波兰提出领土要求的遮羞布,就像在慕尼黑他援引苏台德地区作为对捷克斯洛伐克提出要求的一种方式一样。 但两次他都对更多感兴趣,不能满足于简单的领土让步。 希特勒在 15 月 6 日至 XNUMX 日占领了捷克斯洛伐克,因为他从不想要慕尼黑条约。 现在他在但泽问题上对波兰提出了非常相似的要求,波兰人认为他不可信。

    In the back and forth diplomatic exchanges which occurred while the Danzig crisis was building to a showdown, Roosevelt was made to answer queries from Chamberlain about what the US would do in different scenarios. Roosevelt’s responses are the basis for the false claim circulated by Barnes, Tansill and a few others to the effect that somehow Roosevelt caused war to break out. Roosevelt made it clear to Chamberlain that is the Allies refused to back Poland in its resistance to Hitler’s demands that were being made right in the aftermath of the occupation of Czechoslovakia, then it could become very difficult for him to subsequently persuade the US public to join an alliance against Germany in any future war that might break out.

    This was not a lie by Roosevelt. Isolationist sentiment was very strong and one of the most common arguments had been that as long as the Allies in Europe decided that it wasn’t worth fighting over then the US shouldn’t want to fight either. This had been the stance even of Chamberlain himself up to the Munich treaty. But Hitler’s occupation of Czechoslovakia had forced Chamberlain to concede that Hitler was gaming for more than just some little border adjustments. Even when a specific demand made over the Sudetenland or Danzig might sound reasonable, Hitler showed that he was ready to go beyond that as soon as an opportunity to occupy Czechoslovakia (and likely Poland in the future) arose. So now Chamberlain was faced with the choice of whether to pretend that Hitler was just honestly trying to negotiate over Danzig or whether to call the bluff and back Poland.

    罗斯福可以向张伯伦提供任何替代方案的唯一方法是,如果希特勒像他在捷克斯洛伐克那样违背但泽协议,他可以保证美国的支持。 但罗斯福做不到这一点,他就这么说了。 相反,罗斯福明确表示,如果因但泽对抗而爆发战争,那么美国公众很可能最终会被盟军的事业所吸引,但如果盟军放弃波兰,那么美国公众不会急于援助盟国。 这就是罗斯福所做的一切,并不是战争爆发的原因。

    • 巨魔: Malla
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @J. Alfred Powell
  218. 顺便说一句,对于那些想要 80 分钟介绍“以色列杀死肯尼迪”论文的人:

    • 谢谢: Truth Vigilante
  219. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    我知道你无法理解那个 Mevashir,因为你从出生以来就被灌输了对希特勒的仇恨。

    我可以在电视上理解它,事实上我已经写了很多东西来谴责二战中盟国的暴行。 几年前,我与大屠杀修正主义打交道,并与一些著名的修正主义者通信。

    [顺便说一句,我从出生就没有参加过犹太学校。 我是作为一个世俗的犹太人长大的,大学毕业后才去了犹太学校。]

    我什至愿意承认,在奥斯威辛集中营工作的德国人除了对犹太人的病态仇恨之外,可能是体面的人,模范公民和家庭男人。 我不明白他们有什么权利认为他们可以围捕欧洲所有平民犹太人并将他们监禁在奴隶劳动或死亡集中营中。 他们会投入如此多的资源来消灭一群中产阶级的非战斗人员,这确实令人难以置信。

    我曾经在以色列遇到过一个人,他向我展示了他的纹身,并告诉我他在奥斯威辛的特遣队工作,从毒气室中拉出尸体,然后用独轮车将它们运到火葬炉。 我没有理由认为他在撒谎。 他不认识我,我没有给他一本书或电影的合同。 他只是说出了他所经历的简单事实。 我为什么要假设他在撒谎?

    至于像 Treblinka Belzac Majdenik 和 Sobibor 这样的集中营,它们不是奴隶劳改营,那么如果不是灭绝,它们还有什么用? 甚至大卫欧文最近也承认所谓的莱因哈德集中营谋杀了 2 万犹太人:
    https://www.jpost.com/not-just-news/q-and-a-with-holocaust-denier-david-irving-im-not-an-anti-semite-yet-415004
    https://www.panmacmillan.com/blogs/literary/my-holocaust-holiday-with-david-irving

    维克多·弗兰克 (Victor Frankl) 于 1946 年写了他的著名著作《人的意义探寻》,讲述了他在奥斯威辛集中营的经历。 甚至在那时,早在大屠杀成为大屠杀之前 引起名人,他清楚地写下了大规模处决和毒气室。 他声称抵达营地后立即进行选择,所有抵达者中有 2/3 被处决。 他声称在奥斯维辛集中营被监禁的总人数中,只有大约 3% 的存活率。 我为什么要不相信他? 他在大屠杀成为西方热门话题的 20 年前写了这本书。 他写到毒气室和大规模处决:
    https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/mans-search-for-meaning.pdf

    如果你想争辩说基督徒不应对这些犹太人发生的事情负责; 犹太人是欧洲社会的外来文化; 犹太人把这件事归咎于他们自己; 德国没有义务支付永久赔偿:我同意所有这些。 但不要否认历史现实。 它只是在许多其他重要问题上诋毁您的证人。 大屠杀否认是美中不足的苍蝇,它破坏了其他有洞察力和智慧的人的证词。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Truth Vigilante
  220. Nancy 说:
    @Anon

    难怪白蚁对我们进入二战如此“有帮助”...... 他们玩短线和长线游戏。

  221. Nancy 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    弗兰克尔在奥斯威辛集中营逗留了几天(记录在案,承认)。 此外,还有这样的事情,在战时,拘留/集中营保护潜在危险的颠覆团体的更多人口,即起源于英国的布尔战争,二战中的日本营地在美国。 在过去,甚至在基督教时代之前,犹太人被驱逐出“收养”(“渗透”?)国家/州等 100 多次是有原因的——正是他们的行为使他们不值得信任,并且没有改变当他们在二战前的德国占据统治地位时(他们的塔木德教导双重道德——不会培养信任。)今天? 你判断——拜登内阁 70% 是双重公民,包括他 3 个孩子的配偶。

    • 谢谢: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  222. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    这就是罗斯福所做的一切,并不是战争爆发的原因。

    这听起来像是英国向德国宣战以支持波兰的原因。 如果没有罗斯福的声明,大概英国会保持中立,不是吗?

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  223. Malla 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    从写《我的奋斗》到发动巴巴罗萨行动,希特勒的目标是征服东欧的生存空间,这是他所有思想的主要动机。

    这是难以置信的愚蠢。 Main Kaumpf 中的一些言论并不能证明巴拉布罗萨行动是正当的。 匈牙利以及罗马尼亚参加了巴巴罗萨行动。 他们也想要 Lebensraum 吗? 不能太荒唐。 一点也不。 事实是共产主义想要传播,与托洛茨基不同,斯特兰更喜欢红军的征服方式。

    即使德国人对苏联友好,你也完全无视苏联人对德国采取的行动

    你无视,莫托洛夫对希特勒提出的四项要求。

    你无视希特勒告诉芬兰军事指挥官曼纳海姆 他的军队是为西方而不是东方而建造的. 如果希特勒想要生存空间,为什么要建立一支适合西欧而不​​是东欧的军队?
    事实是希特勒愚蠢地相信苏联人,他们一直想在整个欧洲征服和推行共产主义。 记住共产主义的中心主题是“世界工人,联合起来”这是一种全球主义的精神疾病。 它希望看到整个世界处于共产主义暴政之下。 它可能后来采取了民族主义路线,但其核心是扩张。 我认为这种“lebensraum”理论被夸大了,以掩盖苏联和共产主义的别有用心。
    斯大林还入侵了日本帝国,尽管日本没有对苏联采取任何行动,并且签订了友好条约,但在德国被击败后苏联终止了该条约。 如果日本贾德知道这一点,他们也会先发制人的。
    不仅德国,甚至罗马尼亚和匈牙利也看到苏联在其西部战线上的军事集结。 六国入侵苏联是先发制人的打击。 就那么简单。

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
  224. Malla 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    丘吉尔对苏联对波兰的侵犯感到愤怒,并试图鼓吹一场新的战争。

    像往常一样纯粹的谎言和胡说八道。

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  225. Malla 说:
    @Arthur MacBride

    我希望他的名字今天能在印度复兴和追随。

    他是目前印度最受尊敬的民族英雄。 Bose对国家社会主义印象非常深刻,他看着共产主义首先带来一个聪明的家伙意识到这是胡说八道,不是真正的反对派而是假反对派。 后来意大利式的法西斯主义给他留下了深刻的印象,但当他去德国看到德国的成就时,他认为国家社会主义是人类问题的最佳解决方案。 希特勒的天才。

    那个人是个英雄,一个强大的智慧,一个真正的爱国者。

    Bose 非凡的能力和智慧在英国议会中被提及。
    https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/lords/1936/dec/01/mr-subhas-bose
    印度国务卿(泽特兰侯爵夫人)于01年1936月XNUMX日在上议院表示:
    “不幸的是, 博斯先生,一个才华横溢的人,一个可能是天才的人, 是一个人,无论是由于自己的过失还是不幸,都将他几乎所有的能力都指向了破坏性而非建设性的目的。 小时候,他成为印度公务员制度的一员,但是当他成为该公职的缓刑犯时,他得出的结论是,他不能担任他所称的两个主人,即国家政府和人民政府的主人。国家,因此他辞职了。”

    如此天才的人会意识到希特勒的国家社会主义的辉煌,是否令人惊讶?

    无论如何,感谢并统治不列颠尼亚。
    英国人永不为奴!!

    • 谢谢: Arthur MacBride
  226. @Mevashir

    这是对事实的荒谬误读。 希特勒撕毁慕尼黑条约并占领捷克斯洛伐克的事实意味着英国的信誉现在取决于支持波兰。 问题不在于如果罗斯福做了一些不同的事情,英国会允许希特勒入侵波兰。 问题是,如果罗斯福能够公开承诺美国加入一个保证波兰安全的开放联盟,那么张伯伦可能会试图鼓励波兰人在但泽问题上达成某种协议,同时相信如果希特勒对波兰重复什么他于 1939 年 XNUMX 月在捷克斯洛伐克做过,然后罗斯福将向希特勒宣战。 罗斯福说他没有权力让美国采取这样的行动,这只是诚实。

    实际上,如果罗斯福试图对支持波兰独立的联盟做出这样的承诺,那么他很可能会输掉 1940 年的选举。 如果希特勒在 20 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日占领波兰,他的继任者很可能会拒绝支持波兰。这不是罗斯福阴谋制造希特勒发动的战争的证据。 这只是对罗斯福实际上可以在公开场合向张伯伦和波兰承诺多少的理性评估。

    同样,希特勒需要做的就是避免这个问题,就是在 1939 年 XNUMX 月不占领捷克斯洛伐克。那时张伯伦会热情支持他对但泽走廊的要求,他本可以与波兰达成和平解决方案,如果他觉得就像在类似于北约的反苏联盟中结成联盟一样,他本可以做到这一点。 但他的目标远不止于此,这也是二战爆发的原因。

  227. @Malla

    不,你在 1940 年中后期通过挑选事情来伪造记录。正是在 1939 年 1950 月,随着捷克斯洛伐克的占领,希特勒开始向欧洲战争进军。 如果希特勒并不一定希望与斯大林建立“友谊”,而只是想以冷战方式进行简单的“遏制”,那么希特勒所要做的就是远离捷克斯洛伐克,在张伯伦的支持下与但泽谈判,然后从他们开始在东欧国家之间组织联盟,其目的是遏制苏联。 结果将是冷战的缩短版本,冷战将在 XNUMX 年代随着斯大林的去世而结束。

    随着穿越捷克斯洛伐克的游行,希特勒表明他已准备好撕毁一项有利条约以取得更大的领土收益。 希特勒在但泽对波兰的要求显然是在重复刚刚结束对捷克斯洛伐克的占领的行为。 即使我们没有希特勒的协议,他认为但泽问题无关紧要,并宣布居住空间是对抗波兰的目标,但对于任何实时观看事件的人来说,显然不能相信希特勒会遵守协议在但泽上空。 相反,波兰相当理性地拒绝在此事上让步,战争爆发了。 到 1940 年 XNUMX 月,当希特勒向他的将军下达第一个命令准备进攻苏联的计划时,整个欧洲的舞台都被重新安排了。 从那时起,莫斯科和柏林之间达成的任何协议都将成为欧洲权力的严肃安排,斯大林当然会毫不犹豫地向罗马尼亚提出要求。 但这种情况只是因为希特勒早先的举动才出现的。

    • 回复: @Malla
  228. @Malla

    “你忽略了……”纪录片中显示的事实是,直到巴巴罗萨陷入困境数月后,希特勒才对他的军队是为西方组建的一事一无所知。 希特勒事后告诉曼纳海姆他的军队不是为东方而建,这无关紧要。 这是失败后的追溯解释。 但入侵前的声明表明,希特勒预计苏联会迅速溃败。

  229. Mevashir 说:
    @Nancy

    英国人在布尔战争中的所作所为被广泛认为是将妇女和儿童关押为人质的战争罪行。 大约有 50,000 人在他们的集中营中丧生。 美国已就其对日本的所作所为道歉。 作为合法总统,没有人会接受这些事情。

    此外,德国将整个欧洲的犹太人关押在他们入侵和征服的国家。 这些人对德国政府或德国社会完全没有影响。 他们不是希特勒讨厌的精英犹太银行家或犹太布尔什维克。 他将愤怒倾倒在纯粹无辜的人身上。

    拜登有两个幸存的孩子,是的,他们都嫁给了犹太人。 不是双重国民,而是美国公民犹太人。 您会将 Ron Unz 归类为双重国籍吗?

    此外,拜登妻子的娘家姓是雅各布斯,这也很可能是一个犹太名字。 所以恐怖拜登的恐怖被犹太人包围了。 也许你应该尝试炸毁白宫,消灭他和他所有的颠覆家庭成员。 请确保在途中通知特勤局,以便他们可以直接向您的邪恶心脏致敬 21 响礼炮。

    你的评论是可怕的无知和冷酷。 RIP

    维克多·弗兰克 (Victor Frankl) 想感谢您在可爱的坎普奥斯维辛度假村 (Resort Kamp Auschwitz) 的精彩体验:
    https://www.univie.ac.at/logotherapy/biography.html

    1944
    维克多和蒂莉,以及不久之后他 65 岁的母亲,被送往奥斯威辛-比克瑙集中营。 他的母亲立即在毒气室被谋杀,蒂莉被转移到卑尔根-贝尔森营地。 几天后,弗兰克被选中转移到劳改营。 他被带到 Kaufering 和后来的 Tuerkheim,巴伐利亚达豪的附属营地。

    1945
    27 月 XNUMX 日,该营地被美军解放。 弗兰克尔被任命为一家军事流离失所者医院的主任医生。 急切地想知道他妻子的命运的他踏上了前往维也纳的艰辛旅程。 几天之内,他得知妻子、母亲和兄弟与妻子在奥斯威辛集中营被谋杀的消息。

  230. Malla 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    伪造记录? 不是你是一个选择废话来支持你不合逻辑的愚蠢主张的人。 就像我刚刚证明的那样,像粘液球一样躺着,并坚持你关于生活空间和和平缔造者罗斯福的愚蠢宠物理论。

    阅读希特勒对曼纳海姆所说的话。 从他自己的嘴里。
    阿道夫·希特勒:“我们的整个武器——你知道,曾经——是一种纯粹的防风雨武器。 它非常有能力,非常好,但不幸的是它只是一种好天气武器。 我们在战争中已经看到了这一点。 我们的武器自然是为西方制造的, 我们都认为,直到那时这都是真的,呃,这是最早的观点。 你不能在冬天发动战争。
    而且,德国坦克也没有经过测试,例如无法为冬季战争做准备。 相反,我们进行了试验,以证明冬天不可能发动战争。”
    ……剪下……。

    “这一切都是不可避免的,你看。 我当时和莫托洛夫(苏联部长)有过一次谈话,然后 当时是绝对肯定的,而且绝对肯定莫托洛夫离开时决定开始战争,我驳回了发动战争的决定,我驳回了他的决定——不可能,阻止他。 有——这是唯一的——因为人类提出的要求显然是为了最终统治欧洲。 (实际上是在这里窃窃私语。)然后我有了他——不是公开的……(淡出)。
    早在 1940 年秋天,我们就一直面临这个问题,呃:我们是否应该考虑 [与苏联的关系] 分手? 当时,我建议芬兰政府谈判,争取时间,在这件事上拖延——因为我总是害怕—— 俄罗斯会在秋末突然袭击罗马尼亚——并占领油井,而我们在 1940 年秋末还没有做好准备。如果俄罗斯真的占领了罗马尼亚的油井,那么德国就会失去。 它本来需要——只需要 60 个俄罗斯师来处理这件事。”

    这更多地解释了为什么六个国家先发制人地打击了苏联,而不是一些 Lebensraum 废话。

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Patrick McNally
  231. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    希特勒在柏林的演讲再次强化了苏联的威胁,将其作为先发制人打击的原因,这与他与曼纳海姆的私人谈话非常吻合。
    希特勒:

    [更多]

    直到我看到俄罗斯已经到了向我们进攻的时刻,而我们在东普鲁士只有 XNUMX 个师,而 XNUMX 个苏联师在那里集结时,我才做出决定。 我们逐渐得到证据,在我们的边境上建立了一个又一个机场,一个又一个来自庞大的苏联军队的师正在那里集结。
    然后我不得不变得焦虑,因为历史上没有任何疏忽的借口,比如声称我认为不可能,或者我不相信它的后记。
    我现在站在帝国的顶端,因此我对现在的德国人民和他们的未来负责。
    (掌声)
    因此,我被迫慢慢采取防御措施。 但在去年 XNUMX 月和 XNUMX 月,一件事变得清晰起来。 在西方与英格兰做出一个可以容纳整个德国空军的决定已经不可能了,因为在我的后方有一个国家在这个时刻准备与我对抗,但直到现在我们才意识到有多远准备工作已经推进。
    我想再次澄清整个问题,因此 我邀请莫洛托夫去柏林。
    他向我提出了四个众所周知的条件。
    1] 德国应该最终同意,因为俄罗斯觉得自己再次受到芬兰的威胁,俄罗斯应该能够清算芬兰。

    我忍不住拒绝了这样的同意。
    (全场热烈掌声)

    关于罗马尼亚的第二个问题……
    2] 一个问题是德国的担保是否会保护罗马尼亚免受俄罗斯的侵害。
    在这里,我也信守诺言。 我不后悔,......

    (全场热烈掌声)
    ……因为我在安东内斯库将军身上发现了一位当时盲目信守诺言的荣誉人物。
    (全场热烈掌声)

    第三个问题涉及保加利亚。
    3] 莫洛托夫要求俄罗斯保留向保加利亚派遣驻军的权利,从而向保加利亚提供俄罗斯保证。 我们从爱沙尼亚、拉脱维亚和立陶宛知道这意味着什么。

    第四个问题涉及达德尼尔海峡。
    4] 俄罗斯要求在达德尼尔海峡建立基地。 如果莫洛托夫现在试图否认这一点,那就不足为奇了。 如果明天或后天他不再在莫斯科,他将否认他不再在莫斯科。
    (热烈的掌声和欢笑声)
    他提出了这个要求,我拒绝了。 我不得不拒绝它。 这让我明白了一切,进一步的谈判没有结果。 要求我采取预防措施。”
    ……剪下……。
    “当我看到敌人向我挥动步枪时,我不会等到他按下扳机。 我宁愿第一个扣动扳机。”

    在希特勒与曼纳海姆的私下谈话中完全支持这一点
    “当时我与莫托洛夫(苏联部长)进行了交谈,当时绝对可以肯定,而且绝对可以肯定的是 莫托洛夫决定离开r,我驳回了发动战争的决定,我驳回了他的决定——不可能,阻止他。 有——这是唯一的—— 因为人类提出的要求显然是为了最终统治欧洲。 (实际上是在这里耳语。)然后我有他——不是公开的……(淡出)。
    ……剪下……。
    “因此,我渴望在谈判期间架起桥梁,直到我们足够强大, 反击那些[来自莫斯科]的敲诈勒索,因为——这些要求只是赤裸裸的敲诈勒索。 他们是敲诈勒索的。 俄罗斯人知道我们被困在西部。
    他们真的可以向我们勒索一切。 只有当莫洛托夫来访时,我才坦率地告诉他,这些要求,他们的众多要求,我们无法接受。 就在同一天早上,谈判突然结束。
    有四个主题。 他说,涉及芬兰的一个话题是,保护自己免受芬兰威胁的自由。[我说]你不想告诉我芬兰威胁到你! 但他说:“在芬兰,是对苏联的朋友采取行动的人。 他们将对我们的社会,对我们[对我们]采取行动–他们将持续不断地逼迫我们,大国不能受到一个小国的威胁。”
    我说:“你的存在,并没有受到芬兰的威胁! 也就是说,你不是故意告诉我的……”
    卡尔·古斯塔夫·埃米尔·曼纳海姆:(打断)可笑!
    阿道夫·希特勒(Adolf Hitler):“……您的生存受到芬兰的威胁了吗?” 好吧(他说)存在着道德上的威胁—对一个大国的威胁,而芬兰在做什么,那是一种道德上的威胁—对他们的道德生存的威胁。
    然后我告诉他,作为被动的旁观者,我们不会接受波罗的海地区的进一步战争。 作为答复,他问我我们如何看待我们在罗马尼亚的立场。
    你知道,我们已经给了他们保证。 [他想知道]该保证是否也针对俄罗斯? 那一次我告诉他:“我不认为它是针对你的,因为我认为你没有攻击罗马尼亚的意图。
    你已经说过比萨拉比亚是你的,但你——从来没有说过你想进攻罗马尼亚!”

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  232. Malla 说:

    苏联在巴巴罗萨之前就已经是霸道总裁了,已经变成了很多东欧国家的大威胁。
    当德国军队仍在西部与法国和英国作战时,苏联向巴尔干半岛推进。 尽管苏联政府在莫斯科谈判中曾宣布永远不会向解决比萨拉比亚问题迈出第一步,但 24 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日,苏联政府通知德国政府,现在决定解决比萨拉比亚问题。力量。 同时,有人说,苏联对布科维纳的要求也扩展到了布科维纳,即曾经是古代奥地利王室的领土,从未属于俄罗斯,而且在莫斯科时代从未被提及。谈判。

    德国驻莫斯科大使向苏联政府宣布,其决定完全出乎德国政府的意料,将对德国在罗马尼亚的经济利益产生严重的不利影响,也将导致罗马尼亚的生活中断。那里的大型 [民族] 德国人定居点,以及 [民族] 德国人在布科维纳的存在。 莫洛托夫回答说,此事极为紧急,苏联希望在24小时内获悉德国政府对这一问题的态度。 尽管对罗马尼亚采取了这种粗暴的行动,但德国政府为了维护和平并维持与该国的友谊,再次出手干预苏联。 它建议曾向德国寻求帮助的罗马尼亚政府让步,并建议将比萨拉比亚和北布科维纳交给苏维埃俄罗斯。 德国已将罗马尼亚政府的肯定答复转达给苏联政府,同时罗马尼亚政府要求给予足够时间撤离这些大片地区并保护那里居民的生命财产安全。
    然而,苏联政府再次向罗马尼亚发出最后通牒,并在到期前于 28 月 XNUMX 日开始占领布科维纳的部分地区,随后立即占领整个比萨拉比亚直至多瑙河。 这些领土也立即被苏联吞并,布尔什维克化,因此实际上沦为废墟。

    [更多]

    苏联政府在莫斯科谈判中占领和布尔什维克帝国政府在东欧和巴尔干地区给予苏联的整个利益范围,显然是违反莫斯科协定的。 由于俄罗斯向巴尔干半岛推进,该地区的领土问题成为讨论的焦点。 1940年夏天,罗马尼亚和匈牙利在英国特工挑起的分歧导致30月底发生严重危机后,呼吁德国帮助安排解决领土争端。 罗马尼亚和匈牙利之间的战争迫在眉睫。 德国一再要求匈牙利和罗马尼亚调解争端,希望维护巴尔干地区的和平,并与意大利一起邀请两国在维也纳举行会谈,并应他们的要求,在那里宣布了维也纳仲裁1940 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日获奖。 这在匈牙利和罗马尼亚之间建立了新的边界。 为了帮助罗马尼亚政府在其人民面前证明他们所做的领土牺牲是合理的,并为未来消除该地区的任何争端,德国和意大利承诺保证剩余的罗马尼亚国家。 鉴于俄罗斯在这方面的愿望已经得到满足,这一保证无论如何不能被视为针对俄罗斯。 然而,苏联提出申诉并表示,与早先的声明相反,根据其在巴尔干地区的愿望通过占领比萨拉比亚和北布科维纳而得到满足,它对巴尔干问题有进一步的兴趣,尽管目前这些问题是没有进一步定义。

    从那时起,苏联的反德政策越来越明显。 帝国政府继续收到越来越具体的报告,根据这些报告 英国大使[斯塔福德爵士]克里普斯在莫斯科进行了一段时间的谈判进展顺利。 与此同时,帝国政府掌握了苏联在各个领​​域进行密集军事准备的证据。

    除其他外,这一证据得到了 De 的一份报告的证实。C。 17 年 1940 月 1941 日,最近由莫斯科的南斯拉夫军事武官在贝尔格莱德发现,上面写着:“根据从苏联方面收到的信息,空军、坦克军和大炮根据当前战争的经验进行了武装。全面进展并将在 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月大体上完成。这可能也构成了 [时间] 限制,在此之前,苏联的外交政策不会有明显的变化。”

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Patrick McNally
  233. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    苏联政府的反德政策伴随着军事领域的 沿着从波罗的海延伸到黑海的广阔战线,所有可用的苏联武装部队不断地集中。 早在德国在法国战役中深深卷入西部,只有极少数德国分遣队驻扎在东部时,苏联最高统帅部开始有系统地向帝国东部边境转移大量部队,包括特别是在与东普鲁士和政府将军 [波兰] 的边界以及罗马尼亚对面的布科维纳和比萨拉比亚的边界上进行了大规模部署。

    [更多]

    面向芬兰的苏联驻军也在稳步加强。 将更多新的苏联师从远东和高加索转移到俄罗斯西部是这方面的额外措施。 例如,在苏联政府宣布波罗的海地区只会被极少数军队占领之后, 占领完成后,它开始集中在该地区,稳定增加部队人数,估计今天的人数为 22 个师。 很明显,苏联军队正在越来越靠近德国边境,尽管德国方面没有采取任何军事措施来证明苏联的这种行动是合理的。 正是苏联的这种行为,首先迫使德军采取了反制措施。 此外,苏联陆军和空军的各个单位也开始行动,强大的空军分遣队被部署在德国边境沿线的机场。 自 XNUMX 月初以来,俄罗斯飞机越过边境的次数越来越多,越过德意志帝国领土的次数也不断增加。 罗马尼亚政府报告了罗马尼亚边境地区布科维纳、摩尔达维亚和多瑙河的类似事态发展。

    自那年年初以来,德国武装部队最高司令部一再通知[德国]外交政策领导层,苏联军队对帝国领土构成的威胁不断增加,在这方面强调只有侵略意图才能解释这些部署。 这些武装部队最高指挥部的报告已公开,其中包含所有细节。

    如果对苏联这次部署的侵略性有丝毫怀疑,几天后到达德国最高司令部的消息已经完全打消了他们的疑虑。 现在苏联总动员已经完成,不少于160个师被部署到德国和其他欧洲国家。 几天的侦察结果表明,苏军特别是摩托化和装甲部队的部署已经取得了成功。苏联最高统帅部随时准备在不同地点对德国边境采取侵略行动。 侦察和巡逻活动增加的报告以及每天发生的两军边境和前哨小冲突事件的报告构成了极其紧张的军事局势,这种局势随时可能爆发。

    从英国收到的关于英国大使克里普斯进行谈判以在英国和苏维埃俄罗斯的政治和军事领导人之间建立更紧密合作的消息,以及[英国]的呼吁 比弗布鲁克勋爵曾经是反苏的,在即将到来的冲突中千方百计支持苏俄,他呼吁美国也这样做,毫不含糊地表明德国正在准备什么样的命运国家。

  234. @Malla

    你是个多么不诚实的骗子。 我在描述丘吉尔在 1945 年初为召集他的员工参加他希望在 1939 月发起的反苏联运动而做出的努力,而你突然引用了 1940 年的东西。没有人质疑丘吉尔高度重视推翻希特勒和推翻希特勒的事实。愿意为此与斯大林合作。 但事实上,一旦芬兰的冬季战争开始,丘吉尔就被那些鼓吹派克行动的人赢得了支持,该行动原定于 1945 年对苏联发动攻击。然而,希特勒对法国的罢工却让这件事成为了现实。 XNUMX 年初,世界再次变得完全不同,而这正是丘吉尔倡导对苏联发动新运动的时候。 与您扔在那里的任何文件都没有矛盾。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  235. @Malla

    这是您如何伪造记录的另一个示例。 在巴巴罗萨停摆很久之后,希特勒对曼纳海姆所说的话与此无关。 要做的事情是看看希特勒在巴巴罗萨之前下达的实际命令。 在 18 年 1940 月 XNUMX 日的指令中,希特勒为巴巴罗萨制定了作战计划,并没有说他的军队准备向西而不是向东。 直到他对苏联军队的实力感到惊讶之后,他才将此作为曼纳海姆的主题。 他与曼纳海姆的整个谈话表明,他愿意发明声称来掩盖他的失败。 他甚至告诉曼纳海姆:

    “我们现在已经摧毁了超过 34,000 辆坦克。”

    胡说八道。 苏联于1年1941月23,106日横穿其全境,共有12,782辆某种形状的坦克。 其中 10,540 人在西部防御区,而其中 3,400 人已做好战斗准备。 考虑到撤退的影响,被德军俘获或摧毁的实际部分将是全部总数的三分之一左右,因此约为 58,000。 这就像希特勒编造了“5,800 名”德裔德国人在波兰被杀的故事一样,当时(希特勒入侵波兰后引发的)暴力事件导致最多 800,000 人被杀(有些估计较低,但确实如此)。很难确定)。 这种扩大数字的简单方法是希特勒常用的伎俩,甚至在突出部战役期间他试图向他的军官声称美国已经遭受了 XNUMX 人的伤亡。 你无法从希特勒试图通过夸大数字来追溯为自己辩护的事情中获得任何可靠的信息。 只需阅读希特勒命令巴巴罗萨的指令即可。

  236. @Malla

    柏林的那次演讲是 3 年 1941 月 22 日发表的,对于评估希特勒在 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日之前的决定完全没有价值。到 XNUMX 月,很明显东部战争的进展与希特勒的预期大相径庭。 他从那时起发表的声明旨在证明他没有预料到的情况是合理的。 因此,希特勒听起来与巴巴罗萨开始之前的方式大不相同。

  237. @Malla

    正是希特勒对捷克斯洛伐克的霸凌,开启了走向二战的道路。 没有人需要说服斯大林在他认为会有回报的情况下欺负他。 但雷尊声称斯大林将肆无忌惮地入侵西欧和中欧,并期望他可以将整个大陆苏维埃化并侥幸逃脱。

  238. Mevashir 说:
    @Nancy

    此外,还有这样的事情,在战时,拘留/集中营保护潜在危险的颠覆团体的更多人口,即起源于英国的布尔战争,二战中的日本营地在美国。

    南希,如果你或你的家人无故被监禁,在可怕的条件下被监禁,饿到 80 磅,最后被释放时发现你的家被陌生人占据,我想你会尖叫该死的地狱。 然而,当希特勒对欧洲数以百万计的犹太平民这样做时,你不仅保持沉默,而且你以微弱的道歉来认可他的残忍行为。 [在美国的日本营地没有经历 90% 以上的死亡率。 ]

    问问自己你是否相信人权? 也许你会更快乐地生活在朝鲜。 如果幸运的话,您将被送到他们的再教育营地之一,以重温欧洲犹太人的经历。

    如果您不受理性的约束,那么我们只能为您的灵魂祈祷。

    最后一点:传统的天主教神学指出,犹太人应该受到限制但受到保护,绝不能遭受虐待和大屠杀。 我相信希特勒最终失败了,因为犹太天主教徒和东正教基督徒的联盟否定了他所代表的一切。

    想想德国在二战中损失了 XNUMX 万人。 这看起来像是衡量犹太人苦难的尺度,不是吗?

    • 回复: @Nancy
  239. Mevashir 说:
    @Nancy

    英国人在布尔战争中的所作所为被广泛认为是将妇女和儿童关押为人质的战争罪行。 大约有 50,000 人在他们的集中营中丧生。 美国已就其对日本的所作所为道歉。 没有人认为这些事情是合法的先例:

  240. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    然而,对谁做了什么的客观评估将表明,盟军(尤其是盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国)犯下了更严重的二战罪行。
    (例如:德国和日本城市的火力轰炸——特别是德累斯顿,向日本投下两颗原子弹,停止敌对行动后德国战俘不必要的饥饿和虐待,导致无数数十万人死亡)。

    因此,从相对而言,希特勒是两害相权取其轻的。

    只有当您看到双方之间的道德对等时,这才是正确的。 但在善恶的计算下,比例性并不适用。 德国人运用这种逻辑来攻击欧洲的平民犹太人。 盟军对德国人应用了相同的逻辑。 总而言之,这是一场巨大的全球悲剧。 但是,您肯定会欣赏德国人因纳粹领导层的罪行而受到集体惩罚(例如德累斯顿)的神圣正义,正如德国人试图为少数犹太银行家和布尔什维克希特勒所憎恨的罪行集体惩罚犹太人一样。

    上帝的公义是完美的!

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  241. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    上帝的公义是完美的!

    我赶紧补充说,虽然这是真的,但生活在上帝的怜悯之下要好得多。 在上帝令人敬畏的可怕正义下,我们都受苦。 犹太人和德国人,俄罗斯人和美国人,日本人和中国人,令人作呕。

    我认为纳粹最让我不安的是他们几乎完全缺乏怜悯。 为了复兴德国的热忱,他们投射出强硬的猛男战士形象,削弱和诋毁仁慈的品质。 这在他们对年老体弱的残疾人实施安乐死以及迫害和杀害犹太人吉普赛人和同性恋者的达尔文主义政策中可见一斑。 纳粹是仁慈的完全对立面。 我会说 SS 代表撒旦的仆人,因为最终他们就是这样。

    今天是 Tisha B'Av 犹太人国庆日,哀悼耶路撒冷的毁灭和犹太历史上无数其他悲剧,包括西班牙宗教裁判所和驱逐以及第一次世界大战的爆发。在这一天,我要公开感谢像正义的外邦人温斯顿·丘吉尔将军艾森豪威尔以及许多美国和俄罗斯军队的成员解放了集中营并从某些毁灭中拯救了犹太残余。 我也很感激全球政治机构努力确保像大屠杀这样的事情永远不会重演。 感谢所有这些富有同情心和仁慈的领导人。 阿门

  242. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    但事实上,一旦芬兰的冬季战争开始,丘吉尔就被那些鼓吹派克行动的人赢得了,这是一场原定于 1940 年对苏联发动的袭击。然而,希特勒对法国的罢工却让这件事变得不那么重要了。

    那么为什么丘吉尔不能在巴巴罗萨行动中与希特勒联手推翻苏联政府呢?

  243. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    但事实上,一旦芬兰的冬季战争开始,丘吉尔就被那些鼓吹派克行动的人赢得了,这是一场原定于 1940 年对苏联发动的袭击。然而,希特勒对法国的罢工却让这件事变得不那么重要了。

    显而易见的问题是为什么丘吉尔不会在巴巴罗萨行动中与希特勒联手推翻苏联政府? 丘吉尔似乎无法确定他真正的敌人是谁。 圣经中描述的东西在两种意见之间摇摆不定。

    利用红军令人难以置信的牺牲来击败纳粹,却在取得胜利的时候从背后刺中他们并攻击他们,这似乎也令人难以置信的无情。 丘吉尔似乎是一个非常纵容的人。

    你从来没有解释过为什么英国军队如此热衷于逼迫霍斯供认,尤其是考虑到丘吉尔在他的回忆录中从未提到过大屠杀。 到底发生了什么?

    PS 我只是向 Kevin Barrett 推荐了你对这个线程的评论,因为它比 RU 提供的关于二战的观点更平衡。

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  244. @Mevashir

    丘吉尔显然是一个无情的SOB。 当然,亲爱的老叔叔乔·斯大林和其他许多人也是如此。 但丘吉尔可能是无情的,这是真的。 总的来说,丘吉尔认为希特勒是更重要的敌人,因为他认为德国是一个更先进的国家,能够在坏人手中做更多的事情。 但丘吉尔确实试图说服杜鲁门在苏联原子弹研制之前使用原子弹对苏联进行打击。 相当无情。

    在战后的最初几年,有一股狂热的动力迫使霍斯等德国官员认罪。 随着世界进入新的冷战,这种情况下降了,人们正在悄悄地安息。 这就是为什么丘吉尔、艾森豪威尔和戴高乐对某些今天几乎被视为任何关于二战的讨论的中心的问题无话可说的原因。 当然,这本身并不能告诉我们战后审判中提出的指控究竟是真是假。 从鲁道夫·霍斯 (Rudolf Hoess) 那里提取的供词是英国和其他盟国决心在德国民众面前举行的公开审判的一部分。

    肯定影响了许多盟军关于二战后审判的决定的一件事是,一战之后被长期掩盖的方式。 我在上面提到了 1920 年代德国政府如何拒绝解密有关德国在第一​​次世界大战中的目标的真正重要文件。 这是弗里茨·菲舍尔 (Fritz Fischer) 于 1961 年撰写的标题,他最终浏览了现已解密的内容。 1920 年代编写的大多数第一次世界大战历史完全缺乏有关德国目标的此类文件,但由于布尔什维克革命导致第一次世界大战中的俄罗斯文件得以出版,因此对盟国有很多污点。

    1945 年,盟军决定这一次他们将决定一段历史,迫使他们对德国民众的看法。 几年来,他们对此非常热衷,然后在冷战面前开始消退。 随着冷战本身在 1960 年代开始瓦解,此后这开始促成团体的兴起,这些团体现在推动起诉 Erndt Zundel 和 Fabius-Gayssot 法(又名 Faurisson 法)。 但是,丘吉尔、艾森豪威尔和戴高乐等政治家的著作是在最初的战后审判逐渐消退、某些事情突然被淡化的时候写成的。

    这就提出了一个问题,这些作者在多大程度上不相信在审判时广泛宣传的某些故事,以及多少只是一种形式的现实政治,他们认为在审判时不值得一提。冷战? 大多数人会用后一种方式来解释这个问题。 但令人奇怪的是,丘吉尔、艾森豪威尔和戴高乐在追溯性地声称是一个关键问题上真的无话可说。 即使承认冷战为政治家设定了新的优先事项,但将所谓的毒气室排除在此类回忆录之外也有点奇怪。 尽管如此,总的判决必须基于对所谓的历史证据的更详细的分析。

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  245. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    但奇怪的是,丘吉尔、艾森豪威尔和戴高乐在追溯性地声称是一个关键问题上真的无话可说。 即使承认冷战为政治家设定了新的优先事项,但将所谓的毒气室排除在此类回忆录之外也有点奇怪。 尽管如此,总的判决必须基于对所谓的历史证据的更详细的分析。

    你的另一个非常微妙的回应。 你会成为一名出色的外交官!

    但我仍然不明白的是,英国人对奥斯威辛的了解是什么迫使他们拼命寻求霍斯的供词? 你明白我在问什么吗? 他们一定听说过可怕的暴行才能如此努力地追捕他并折磨他的供词。 根据 BBC 的纪录片,他们让他一个人呆在监狱里写回忆录。 他对奥斯维辛集中营发生的事情表示零悔意。 我认为他在回忆录中也没有记录任何关于毒气室的内容。

    PS 请问您是专业历史学家还是外交官? 你似乎对欧洲历史有着非凡的了解。 我一方面感谢您为教育我们其他人所做的努力。

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  246. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    根据 BBC 的纪录片,这两个毒气室建在距奥斯威辛集中营两英里的比克瑙。 但我认为火葬炉在奥斯威辛。 那么特遣队是如何用独轮车将尸体从两英里外的毒气室运送到火葬场的呢? 这没有多大意义。

    纪录片还声称,在此之前,俄罗斯战俘和其他人在奥斯威辛集中营被毒气毒死。 我可以理解为什么修正主义者会持怀疑态度,因为故事一直在变化。

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdp5o5V2suK3PIXaE7Cwe0MoA75VJJTc6

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  247. @Mevashir

    你写了:

    “我曾经在以色列遇到一个人,他给我看了他的纹身,告诉我他在奥斯威辛的特遣队工作,从毒气室里拉出尸体,然后用手推车把它们送到火葬炉。
    我为什么要假设他在撒谎?

    答:因为他是骗子。

    你说:

    ’他[维克多·弗兰克尔]声称,在奥斯维辛集中营被监禁的总人数中,只有大约 3% 的存活率。 我为什么要不相信他?

    答:因为他是个胆小的懦夫和连环骗子,如果价格合适,他会兜售任何废话。

    Holohoax 是一种精心设计的无费用的欺诈行为,已对人类实施。

    而不是我们不得不听到你不停地抱怨这样一个“幸存者”(是的,有很多幸存者恰好是奇迹般地避开了神话般的毒气室的 2% 或 3% 之一),你为什么不坐下来阅读一些关于 Holohoax 的真相?

    有很多书可以阅读,但为什么不从 Nick Kollerstrom 的书(打破咒语)开始,我在我对 UR 的评论中反复引用了它。

    在其中,您将看到证明,它回答了您为什么应该放弃所有所谓的“PAID-TO-LIE”证人证词的所有问题。

    至于大卫欧文,在数十年来无视真相后,齐奥阴谋集团拥有无限的资源(在袋鼠法庭利普施塔特审判中花费了 13 万美元,欧文失去了他的家和财产),歹徒们终于成功'打断了他'。

    每个人都有一个耐力的门槛,欧文关于莱因哈德营地的任何话都会在巨大的持续压力下说出来。 即:欧文被指示说这样这句话,作为交换,他们将停止追捕他和他的家人。

    让我们在这里了解一下欧文生活中发生的事情。

    欧文的女儿约瑟芬在利普施塔特审判前从她公寓的高层跳楼自杀。

    在幕后发生了很多事情,你不知道 Mevashir,所以你追求真相的第一步是停止相信你从 Zio 不法分子宣传机器听到的一切。

    他们没有说过一句真实的话,他们也不会开始。

  248. @Mevashir

    如果我们有“神圣正义”,那些策划两次世界大战(更不用说肯尼迪/RFK/JFK Jr 的灭亡,9/11 等)的邪恶犹太复国主义者将被吊在脚手架上(以及那些为几谢克尔的银子——特别是“孟加拉屠夫”,就是温斯顿·丘吉尔)。

    任何客观的旁观者都会得出这样的结论:正义不会到来,罪犯逃跑了。

    我已经建议你阅读尼克·科勒斯特罗姆 (Nick Kollerstrom) 的精彩书,揭穿大屠杀神话,让你快速了解二战中犹太人真正发生的事情,但在你研究这一点时,我建议你阅读约翰·威尔 (John Wear) 的这篇文章( Ron Unz 本人在 Unz 评论中提到的人,这是他对这个人的研究深度的尊重):

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/11/germanys-war-by-john-wear-chapter-8-the-alleged-genocide-of-european-jewry/

    这是一篇很长的文章(实际上是他书中的一整章),但是有 120 多个脚注证明了这个人的详尽投入,非常值得一读。

    事实上,我怀疑你会在那篇文章中学到更多的真相,而不是迄今为止你从有偏见的来源中吸收的所有内容的总和。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
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  249. @Mevashir

    我花了很多年教数学,但我的历史知识是基于私人阅读。

    “5 年 11 月 1946 日下午 XNUMX 点,胡斯夫人向身着英国制服的情报专家敞开了大门,他们中的大多数身材高大、威风凛凛,他们都在练习更复杂的持续和无情调查技术……

    “然后他的态度立刻变了,他大喊大叫:‘如果你不告诉我们,我们会把你交给俄罗斯人,他们会把你放在行刑队面前。 你的儿子会去西伯利亚。

    “最终,一个破碎的胡斯夫人出卖了前奥斯维辛指挥官的下落……

    “仅仅看到英国制服,Hoess 就惊恐地尖叫起来。 克拉克喊道:“你叫什么名字?” 随着“弗里茨·朗”的每一次回答,克拉克的手都撞在了他囚犯的脸上。 第四次发生时,Hoess 打破并承认了他的身份。 这一承认顿时引发了逮捕党所有犹太军士的厌恶……

    “囚犯被从上铺扯下来,睡衣从他身上扯下来。 然后他被赤裸裸地拖到一张屠宰台上,在克拉克看来,那里的打击和尖叫声永无止境。 最终,医务官催促船长:“叫他们下车,除非你想取回尸体。”

    “花了三天时间才从他那里得到一个连贯的陈述。 但是一旦他开始说话,就没有人能抓住他了。”
    — 鲁伯特·巴特勒,《死亡军团》,第 235-7 页。

    关于他被单独留在房间里写回忆录的事情很可能是指(我假设没有看过 BBC 剧集)霍斯在苏联占领区被移交给波兰人的时间。 这是一个偶尔会遇到的争论。 当然,英国人对他进行了粗暴对待,但一旦他被送到波兰人,他就可以平静地写作。 这类似于作家格罗弗·弗尔 (Grover Furr) 所坚持的“尼古拉·布哈林向苏联法庭认罪时并没有受到压力!”的方式。 对囚犯有不同形式的压力。 并非所有向宗教裁判所认罪的人都在认罪前的那一刻受到了酷刑。 当他在波兰被囚禁时,Hoess 被制服了,他只是写了一份忏悔文件,不需要任何进一步的压力。

    但他所写的回忆录显然包含虚假陈述。 他描述了毒气室在囚犯死亡后一分钟左右迅速打开的情况,营地工作人员只是一边吃着食物一边跳华尔兹,一边努力清理尸体。 这无疑会导致狱警当场中毒身亡,因为气体蒸气不断从尸体堆中泄漏出来。 他在这方面所作的陈述显然符合犯人强迫认罪的形式,因为他们意识到拒绝认罪是没有意义的。

    无论人们希望对所谓的毒气故事得出什么最终结论,鲁道夫·霍斯的供词都不是一个好的开始证据。 它们太适合强迫认罪的经典模式,即囚犯同意所有主要指控,但在认罪中插入一些废话。 实际上,1930 年代莫斯科表演审判中给出的许多供词更加合理(尽管仍然没有根据),仅仅是因为它们不涉及诸如毒气室操作之类的技术问题。 用氰化物气体和大量囚犯填充房间会造成复杂的情况。 不能只是快速吹气。 囚犯会互相摔倒,毒气会留在一堆尸体之间。 简单地让一个假设的吊扇吹动几分钟是不会把气体排出去的。 任何要在毒气后不久进入这样一个房间的营地工作人员都必须穿着化学防护制服,并且不能在工作时大嚼食物。 但在接受霍斯供词时,没有人在意这些细节。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
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  250. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    不要烦人,我仍然不明白为什么英国人如此热衷于逮捕霍斯。 他们一定听说过关于奥斯维辛的故事。 即使在 1945 年或 46 年的那个早期,奥斯威辛集中营显然也臭名昭著。 他们是怎么想到这些故事的?

    [他的名字听起来像灵车,我觉得很奇怪!?]

    你关于毒气室的观点很好。 约翰·格里沙姆 (John Grisham) 写了一本名为《密室》(The Chamber) 的小说,讲述的是美国监狱的毒气室行刑室。 他描述了在毒气结束后移走已故囚犯的复杂过程。 当我读到它时,我立刻想到了大屠杀中毒气室的说法,因为这些特遣队的人没有任何防护服手套或面具。 这是我对这本书的评论,我引用了相关的段落:

    [更多]

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/044024594X/R33VNUAIZ5JFXU/ref=cm_cr_getr_mb_rvw_tr?ie=UTF8
    非常动人的书
    15 年 2013 月 XNUMX 日在美国审核
    最近我对 Grisham 的书不再抱有幻想,但是当我偶然看到这本书时,我很高兴地阅读了它。

    这是一个非常有力量的故事,经常让我流泪。 情节很好,人物塑造令人信服,道德困境的解释没有多愁善感。

    书中有一段描述了用氰化物气体处决囚犯的复杂程序,这对大屠杀修正主义具有非常令人不安的影响。

    我想知道格里沙姆是不是故意这样说来表明他对他们的询问的支持?

    这部小说讲述了一位名叫 Sam 的前 KKK 成员,他在死囚牢房等待他参与轰炸一位在密西西比州为民权运动的犹太律师的办公室。 当时国家还在使用毒气室。 他的律师亚当是他自己的孙子,即使他努力推迟处决,他也很难理解山姆的暴力过去。

    虽然格里沙姆在这本书中从未讨论甚至暗示过纳粹大屠杀,但这段话包含了关于所谓的纳粹毒气室的令人不安的暗示,似乎证实了大屠杀修正主义者和否认者的一些主张,他们认为这是不可能在相对不密封的房间里对大量的人施以毒气,然后在不危及整个营地,包括其他囚犯和人员的情况下,无视所有预防措施立即移走尸体。

    “山姆有观众,亚当被迷住了。 “有多少人死在密西西比的 [毒气] 室?” 他问。

    “它于 1954 年左右首次在这里使用。 从那时到 1970 年,他们杀死了 1972 名男子。 没有女人。 Furman 是 1982 年之后,它一直闲置,直到 XNUMX 年的 Teddy Doyle Meeks。从那时起他们已经使用了 XNUMX 次,所以总共使用了 XNUMX 次。 我会是四十号。”

    他又开始踱步了,现在慢了许多。 “这是一种非常低效的杀人方式,”他说,就像在教室前的教授一样。 “而且很危险。 当然对绑在椅子上的可怜人来说是危险的,但对房间外的人来说也是危险的。 这些该死的东西都是旧的,都在某种程度上泄漏了。 密封件和垫圈会腐烂和破碎,建造一个不会泄漏的腔室的成本令人望而却步。 一个小的泄漏对刽子手或站在附近的任何人来说都是致命的。 总是有几个人——奈菲、卢卡斯曼,也许是一位部长、医生、一两个警卫——站在房间外面的小房间里。 这个小房间有两扇门,在行刑时它们是关闭的。 如果任何气体从房间泄漏到房间里,它可能会击中 Naifeh 或 Lucas Mann,他们会在地板上吱吱作响。 不错的主意,想一想。

    “目击者也处于极大的危险之中,他们没有任何线索。 他们和房间之间除了一排窗户外什么都没有,窗户很旧,同样容易漏水。 他们也在一个小房间里,如果有任何规模的煤气泄漏,这些呆呆的傻瓜也会被毒死。

    “但真正的危险还在后面。 他们有一根电线粘在你的肋骨上,它穿过房间里的一个洞,到外面,医生在那里监测心跳。 一旦医生说这个人死了,他们就会打开腔室顶部的阀门,气体应该会蒸发。 大部分都是这样。 他们会等十五分钟左右,然后打开门。 用于疏散腔室的外部较冷空气会导致问题,因为它与剩余的气体混合并凝结在内部的所有物质上。 它为任何进入的人创造了一个死亡陷阱。这是极其危险的,这些小丑大多数都没有意识到它的严重性。 所有东西上都残留着普鲁士酸——墙壁、窗户、地板、天花板、门,当然还有死人。

    “他们用氨气喷洒房间和尸体以中和剩余的气体,然后清除团队或任何所谓的人带着氧气面罩进入。 他们会用氨水或氯漂白剂对犯人进行第二次清洗,因为毒物会从皮肤的毛孔中渗出。 当他被绑在椅子上时,他们把他的衣服剪下来,放在一个袋子里,然后烧掉……

    “身体怎么了?” 亚当问道,读到这些敏感的事情有点羞愧,但仍然渴望完成这个故事……

    “嗯,等它经过充分清洗和消毒后,他们就会穿上囚服,把它从椅子上拉出来,然后放进尸体袋里。 他们把它放在担架上,然后送上救护车,然后把它带到某个地方的殡仪馆。 家庭在这一点上接管。 大多数家庭。” [第 253-256 页]

  251. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    为什么他们特意去抓捕 Hoess 而不是 Treblinka Dachau Belzec Teresienstadt 等其他集中营的指挥官?

    为什么英国人而不是美国人或俄罗斯人负责这次搜捕?

    这些对我来说都没有意义。

  252. utu 说:
    @Mevashir

    “丘吉尔下令对莱茵河沿岸的平民城市进行夜间轰炸,以恐吓德国人民起来推翻希特勒。 显然,这场运动持续了 6 个月……”

    从来没有听说过。 丘吉尔在不列颠之战期间下令轰炸德国城市,这促使德国从迄今为止成功的摧毁英国空军的战略转变为报复性轰炸城市,导致不列颠之战失败。 是英国皇家空军首先开始攻击平民目标,但直到 1940 年 XNUMX 月下旬才开始。

  253. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    我已经建议你阅读尼克·科勒斯特罗姆 (Nick Kollerstrom) 的精彩书,揭穿大屠杀神话,让你快速了解二战中犹太人真正发生的事情,但在你研究这一点时,我建议你阅读约翰·威尔 (John Wear) 的这篇文章( Ron Unz 本人在 Unz 评论中提到的人,这是他对这个人的研究深度的尊重):

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/11/germanys-war-by-john-wear-chapter-8-the-alleged-genocide-of-european-jewry/

    这是一篇很长的文章(实际上是他书中的一整章),但是有 120 多个脚注证明了这个人的详尽投入,非常值得一读。

    一篇真正具有杀伤力的文章。 那么犹太人是如何就毒气室撒谎达成共识的呢? 例如,弗兰克尔的书出版于 1946 年。当时他们是否已经密谋散布大谎言?

    我认为大屠杀在 1960 年代成为了名人。 就算这些目击者都在说谎,为什么他们都举了杀人毒气室的例子? 他们为什么专注于此? 他们是怎么想到对德国人进行如此诽谤的? 你跟得上我的思路吗?

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Truth Vigilante
  254. utu 说:
    @Mevashir

    “他们为什么要特意抓捕Hoess” – 他于 1946 年 1945 月被捕。1945 年 1945 月,红军发现奥斯威辛集中营几乎完好无损。在此之前,党卫军正在向西方运送大量囚犯。 有很多逃脱。 例如,Seweryna Szmaglewska 于 1946 年 1947 月逃脱,1960 年夏天,她已经完成了同年出版的《比克瑙的烟雾》一书。 这可能是第一部奥斯威辛集中营的回忆录。 XNUMX 年,Krystyna Zywulska(实际上是犹太人,但在战争期间保密)和著名的波兰天主教作家 Zofia Kossak 出版了另外两本。 他们三个人都在 Birkeanu,三个人对毒气操作的描述非常相似,这些描述是其他囚犯告诉他们的二手故事。 灭绝部分只占他们书籍的很小一部分。 他们写下了他们所知道的营地中的生命和生存,这与它在几十年后构建的集体记忆中的功能大不相同。 XNUMX 年,犹太意大利前囚犯还写了一本书 Il fumo di Birkenau(比克瑙上空的烟雾)。 顺便说一句,我个人认识几个人,包括我的家人,他们从奥斯威辛集中营中幸存下来。 奇怪的是,我从来没有问过他们关于毒气室的问题,因为当时(XNUMX 年代)这个问题没有争议。

    在胡斯被捕时,奥斯威辛集中营毒气的叙述就已经确立。 有没有可能像某些修正主义者声称的奥斯威辛集中营没有毒杀,而只是奥斯威辛和比克瑙的囚犯之间的“都市传说”? 奥托,奥斯威辛集中营里有很多服刑期有限的犯人,刑满释放回家。 在他们的家人成功干预通常涉及贿赂的当局后,一些囚犯也被释放。 他们大多住在西里西亚,据我所知,关于毒气的谣言在当地居民中没有发生作用。 但也许我错了。

    然后有两份关于 Witold Pilecki(1940 年派往奥斯威辛集中营调查并创建地下抵抗组织的波兰智慧官员)的报告,直到最近才发表。 他多次提到毒气,但没有详细说明。 在比克瑙建造了两个根据官方说法用作毒气室的大型火葬场/太平间之后,他逃离了奥斯威辛。 这些报告(一份来自 1943 年,一份来自 1945 年)保存在波兰流亡政府的伦敦档案中。 报告在首次发表之前是否有可能被修改? 我建议阅读他 1945 年的报告,因为它可以更好地了解奥斯威辛是什么、它是如何运作的、囚犯如何与俘虏共处、条件如何变化(变得更好)等等,因为从阅读你的评论中我可以看到你就像大多数人一样,他们完全处于黑暗之中,他们接触了自 1970 年代以来为大众消费创造的叙事。

    顺便说一句,皮莱茨基在战后被波兰共产党政府处决。 在他被处决前经过审讯和酷刑而被关押在监狱中时,他与妻子会面时说,与他在华沙监狱中所经历的相比,奥斯威辛是一个笑话。

    为什么 Pilecki 是一个很好的来源? 他是一名专业军官,被派往奥斯威辛集中营执行任务。 他的报告很枯燥,不是个人回忆录,也没有囚犯回忆录中经常出现的个人不满。

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  255. Schuetze 说:
    @Malla

    他忘了提,马克思主义者可以在当地的犹太教堂购买这个通向动力工具包,以换取他们的灵魂。

  256. Mevashir 说:
    @utu

    谢谢你提供信息。 这一切对我来说仍然是个谜。

    显然,盟军在战争期间对奥斯威辛并不关心,因为他们拒绝轰炸通往它的轨道。 那么为什么他们突然热衷于起诉霍斯呢?

    那么你相信毒气室只是一个精心设计的都市传说吗? 为什么不提出一个不同的故事:德国人把人赶进游泳池,然后用电击毙他们? 与氰化物气体相比,这将是一种更有效、更危险的方式来杀死大量的人。

    我不明白有多少幸存者能够协调他们关于毒气室的“传奇故事”。 是有人策划的吗? 很难想象。

    我也提供这个观点。 即使没有犹太人被故意杀害,所有的死亡都是由于战时的贫困,对欧洲犹太人的大规模监禁仍然是一种反人类罪。 想想他们被运送的牛车:满是肮脏的害虫,还有在没有食物或水的艰苦旅程中留下的尸体。

    想想饥饿和艰苦的劳动。

    想想当他们被解放时,他们的家常常被陌生人占据。

    顺便说一句,您是否声称在抵达奥斯威辛集中营时对门格勒的选择,据称夺走了 2/3 抵达者的生命,这也是捏造的吗?

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  257. Mevashir 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/11/germanys-war-by-john-wear-chapter-8-the-alleged-genocide-of-european-jewry/
    虽然我知道德国没有针对欧洲犹太人的种族灭绝计划,但我同样确信集中营中的囚犯遭受了巨大的苦难。 1999 年,我遇到了一位犹太女士,她在战争期间在四个不同的德国营地度过了她的童年时光,这让我想起了这一点。 她在卑尔根-贝尔森 (Bergen-Belsen) 险些幸免于难,在那里她感染了伤寒,当英国军队控制营地时,她已经濒临死亡。 她在集中营的经历是如此痛苦,以至于在战争结束 54 年后,她仍然因被拘留而遭受严重的心理伤害。 然而,如果德国对欧洲犹太人实施种族灭绝计划,她就会被处决,因为她还是一个犹太小女孩,无法为德国的工作做出贡献。 她活生生地证明,德国没有针对欧洲犹太人的种族灭绝计划,而且德国集中营的生活条件极其恶劣。

    修正主义历史学家同意德国在二战期间迫害犹太人。 纳粹德国认为犹太人是国际共产主义背后的一股有影响力的力量,因此认为犹太人是战争努力的潜在威胁。 结果,犹太人被送到集中营,被迫住在贫民窟,被征召劳动,被剥夺权利,并遭受极端困难。 不幸的是,许多犹太人在二战期间死于德国集中营。

    然而,德国在战争期间并没有对欧洲犹太人实施种族灭绝计划。 正如我们所见,德国集中营中存在杀人毒气室已被科学证据证实。 盟军俘获了大量德国战时文件,其中没有一个提到灭绝政策或计划。 同样,英国人破解了德国人用来传输秘密通讯的绝密 Enigma 密码。 在 1942 年和 1943 年期间,英国情报部门每天截获来自奥斯威辛、布痕瓦尔德、达豪和其他七个集中营的编码信息。 这些秘密传输都没有提到杀人毒气室或德国的种族灭绝计划。

    那么根据这一段,犹太人应该如何回应? 感谢被关押在优良的德国劳改营中的特权? 您是否对犹太人因这一残酷政策向德国寻求赔偿感到惊讶? 修正主义者真正想要的是什么? 他们是否认为一旦毒气室被证伪,我们就可以将希特勒视为好人? 帕特里克麦克纳利似乎避免了这一步,但其他人似乎转向了那个方向。

    另外关于 Leuchter 对普鲁士蓝的测试,我认为他正在测试的所谓毒气室是战后建造的模型??!! 所以很明显不会有氰化物的痕迹,对吗??

    虽然任何人都无法给出二战期间在德国集中营中死亡的犹太人的确切人数,但《东欧犹太人的解散》证明,在战争中死亡的犹太人并不接近 6 万。 桑宁计算出,二战期间犹太人在全世界遭受的损失约为 1.25 万。122 他估计,在德国入侵苏联之前的 15,967,000 年,有 1941 名犹太人还活着,而犹太人口减少到大约战后 14,730,000 人。123
    https://ia803209.us.archive.org/21/items/Holocaust_Handbooks/29_The_Dissolution_of_Eastern_European_Jewry.pdf

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  258. @Mevashir

    您询问:

    “即使这些目击者在撒谎,为什么他们都引用了杀人毒气室的例子?”

    他们当然没有。 这些骗子想出了各种各样的寓言,声称他们目睹了犹太人“被活活煮沸,直到变成龙虾般的红色”,以及其他各种令人难以置信的灭绝故事。

    不用说,必须清除古怪的故事,必须建立一个连贯的单一叙事。 显然,这是自上而下的——来自在 Zio 阴谋集团内部建立的某个委员会。

    第一次世界大战后,在凡尔赛条约中向德国人强加巨额赔款后,犹太复国主义者计划在第二次世界大战后进行“二合一”。 IE: …。

    1)他们会让德国向所谓的大屠杀幸存者及其后代支付赔偿金——德国纳税人至今仍在资助这些钱,而且……
    2)他们将宣传机器设置为超速运转(通过控制好莱坞电影业和西方媒体——更不用说他们对主要图书出版社的所有权),以宣传犹太人经历了大规模的虚构故事种族灭绝。

    将在 goyim 中产生的这种同情将使他们能够强行完成他们计划的下一阶段。 即:没收巴勒斯坦土地。

    然后编造了一个故事,让西方国家的人认为:

    “好吧,我们通常不会容忍剥夺某人的家园。
    但可怜的犹太人经历了如此可怕的悲剧,我们将原谅他们一次,让他们拥有自己的家园——即使是以牺牲真正的闪米特人(巴勒斯坦人)为代价的,DNA 分析已证明这些人是真正的后裔在圣经时代生活在该地区的民族(与 2000 年前与以色列人没有血缘关系的突厥部落德系犹太人相反)。

    与此同时,Mevashir,因为你有很多东西要学习(并且在 Zio 的宣传方式中你已经被灌输了你一生的很多东西),关于在工作营中真正发生的事情,这些工作营被错误地标记为“死亡集中营”,这个不到 7 分钟的视频将极大地启发您:



    视频链接

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  259. Mevashir 说:

    这本书描述了犹太银行家在 19 世纪和 20 世纪维持梵蒂冈的重要作用。 我认为希特勒的一大错误是低估了犹太人在天主教会中的重要性。 我认为天主教对犹太银行家的依赖削弱了他们对纳粹的支持,而纳粹的反布尔什维克政策在其他方面非常适合天主教会。

  260. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    与此同时,Mevashir,因为你有很多东西要学习(并且在 Zio 的宣传方式中你已经被灌输了你一生的很多东西),关于在工作营中真正发生的事情,这些工作营被错误地标记为“死亡集中营”,这个不到 7 分钟的视频将极大地启发您:

    这是一个强大的视频。 你能提供一个网址吗?

    我不知道该怎么想。 我很难相信集中营是这么吸引人的设施。 婴儿看护服务护士为囚犯提供游泳池。 老实说,在未经正当程序的情况下,违背自己的意愿强行监禁的人的痛苦的建议和琐碎化让他们感到震惊。

    我认为纳撒尼尔弟兄对这些地方的描述极其冷酷。 我希望看到他那可怜的寄生修道院的屁股被拖走并推入一个类似劳改营的连锁团伙。 我怀疑他会坚持太久。 但至少能让他闭嘴。

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  261. @Mevashir

    奥斯威辛集中营最初建有一个带有 6 个马弗炉的火葬场。 然后在 1943 年初在比克瑙建造了新的火葬场。 在那里建造了 4 个火葬场,其中 2 个有 5 个烤箱,每个烤箱有 3 个马弗炉,另外 2 个有 4 个烤箱,每个烤箱有 2 个马弗炉,在比克瑙的容量为 46 个马弗炉。 我在上面提到了 Vrba/Wetzler 报告。 这完全错误地描述了比克瑙火葬场,马弗炉在炉子周围排列成一个圆圈,而不是现有的每个烤箱 3 个马弗炉和每个烤箱 2 个马弗炉的布置。 这是查看 Vrba/Wetzler 报告是欺诈的简单细节之一,甚至不知道是否存在毒气室。

  262. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    1)他们会让德国向所谓的大屠杀幸存者及其后代支付赔偿金——德国纳税人至今仍在资助这些钱,而且……
    2)他们将宣传机器设置为超速运转(通过控制好莱坞电影业和西方媒体——更不用说他们对主要图书出版社的所有权),以宣传犹太人经历了大规模的虚构故事种族灭绝。

    将在 goyim 中产生的这种同情将使他们能够强行完成他们计划的下一阶段。 即:没收巴勒斯坦土地。

    这在我看来完全是错误的。 联合国分区计划于 1947 年通过,早在好莱坞开始普及大屠杀之前。 主要原因是欧洲各地的 DP 营地中约有 500,000 名犹太人面临着紧急的难民危机。 没有人想要他们,所以巴勒斯坦被授权为犹太人的避难所。

    我不知道 BroNat 如此高兴地展示的照片来自哪里。 我没有理由相信它们是 Konzentrationslager 内部生活的合法肖像。

    你听说过 Corrie 1944 Boom。 她是一位荷兰基督教福音传教士,她的家人于 XNUMX 年因窝藏犹太人的罪行被捕。 她和她的妹妹 Betsy 被送到了臭名昭著的 Kamp fur Frauen 拉文斯布鲁克。 由于恶劣的条件,贝齐很快就死了。 科里原定执行死刑,但由于文书错误而被释放。 然后,她作为一名全球布道者度过了她的余生。 她报告说她去的第一个地方是德国。 在一次会议上,一名德国男子自我介绍说,他曾在拉文斯布鲁克 (Ravensbruck) 担任警卫,并请求她原谅他的暴行。 科莉停下来努力原谅他,但感觉上帝在朝那个方向提示她。 当她握住他的手时,她的生活从此改变了:

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    Corrie XNUMX Boom 被认为是一个完全可信的人。 她作证说,拉文斯布鲁克的生活是地狱。 我相信她胜过你或仇恨兄弟!

    https://youtu.be/l4gnZt1fXEQ

    https://youtu.be/mHMpMnp1WsE
    https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/it-happened-today/12/30
    https://www.corrietenboom.com/en/information/the-history-of-the-museum

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/18/if-this-is-a-woman-review-inside-ravensbruck-camp-women-sarah-helm-profoundly-moving

    如果这是一个女人:在拉文斯布鲁克内部,希特勒的女性集中营评论——感人至深
    莎拉·赫尔姆 (Sarah Helm) 详尽的编年史揭示了拉文斯布吕克纳粹集中营的全部恐怖,该集中营是“对妇女犯罪的大本营”1945 年拉文斯布鲁克集中营解放
    1945 年 XNUMX 月,妇女等待从拉文斯布鲁克解放。照片:Keystone-France/Getty Images
    伊冯娜·罗伯茨
    18 年 2015 月 07.00 日星期日 XNUMX EST

    很难知道为什么拉文斯布鲁克集中营位于柏林以北 50 英里处、波罗的海沿岸田园诗般的环境中,它的历史为何仍处于纳粹种族灭绝的“故事边缘”。 更重要的是,毁灭的主要设计师海因里希·希姆莱 (Heinrich Himmler) 对它的创作特别感兴趣,尤其是因为他的情妇海德维希·“Häschen” (Bunny) Potthast 是他两个孩子的母亲,她过着正常、平静的生活。对这种不人道的配置,就像附近 Fürstenberg 的公民一样。

    在 If This Is a Woman 中——标题有力地呼应了 If This Is a Man,Primo Levi 1947 年对他在奥斯威辛集中营的描述——莎拉·赫尔姆提供了拉文斯布吕克存在的六年的深刻感人的编年史。 “正如奥斯威辛是针对犹太人的犯罪之都一样,拉文斯布鲁克也是针对女性的犯罪之都,”她写道。 那么为什么它的历史被转移到脚注中,它使用了罗伯特·福里森等历史学家否认的毒气室?

    Helm 推测这个营地比许多营地都小; 它隐藏在铁幕后面多年; 幸存者保持沉默,认为他们会被怀疑。 而且,当然,囚犯是“只有女性”——但什么是女性。 只有一小部分是犹太人。 大多数是“低等人”——社会弃儿、吉普赛人、抵抗战士、耶和华见证人、政敌、妓女、病人、残疾人和“疯子”。 他们来自匈牙利、法国、荷兰、苏联等20多个国家,还有20多个来自英国。

    在暴行、绝望和堕落中,鼓舞人心的领导、过分的勇气以及忠诚和友谊的纽带造就了“英雄主义、超人的坚韧和非凡的生存意志”。 曾经做过家庭主妇、医生、歌剧演员、学者和小偷的女性不仅幸存下来,而且确保对她们所做的一切都被记录下来,并被偷运到更广阔的世界。 曾是非洲部落观察员的民族学家 Germaine Tillion 每天都写日记,冒着巨大的风险,记录“最重要的事实; 那些最可怕的,那些太重要而无法记住的”。 她后来在战争罪审判中作证。 100 年,当她 2008 岁去世时,她最好的朋友 Anise Girard 就在她身边,她曾与她两次成功逃离拉文斯布鲁克毒气室。

    唯一为女性建造的纳粹集中营于 1939 年 3,000 月开放,可容纳 150 人。 它有鼠尾草和一个鸟舍,后来又为警卫开了一家美发沙龙。 囚犯睡了 1945 到一个街区。 在 46,473 年 600 月的高峰期,它拥有 50,000 名女性。 婴儿被交付并被饿死。 在八个月内,将近 25 人死亡。 孩子们都被消毒了。 多达 XNUMX 名妇女被消灭——被毒死、被枪杀、被作为奴隶劳动致死(西门子在其现场工厂使用奴隶劳动)。 冬天穿着棉质衣服站上几个小时听名会进一步减少人口数量,殴打和狗咬伤也是如此。 当地妇女被招募为警卫; 有些变成了配备了阿尔萨斯人和警棍的怪物。 轻微的轻罪 - 卷发 - 可能导致 XNUMX 次睫毛和单独监禁在地堡中,数周没有床和很少食物。

    有些女人是怎么活下来的? 为了找到答案,Helm 前往波兰、法国、荷兰、以色列和全球其他地方采访了少数幸存者和他们的孩子,填补了自传、信件和文件匮乏的空白。 法国妇女珍妮·卢梭 (Jeannie Rousseau) 拒绝制造德国武器。 “你可以拒绝正在发生的事情,”她告诉 Helm。 “或者随它去。 我在拒绝集中营。”

    那个营地包括许多非凡的女性:女权活动家罗莎·乔赫曼 (Rosa Jochmann) 和凯瑟·莱希特 (Käthe Leichter)(后者写了一部犹太戏剧,结果在地堡里待了六个星期); Elsa Krug,来自杜塞尔多夫的 S&M 妓女,拒绝殴打她的囚犯同胞; 以及鼓舞人心的“谦逊”叶夫根尼娅·拉扎列夫娜·克莱姆(Yevgenia Lazarevna Klemm),她是红军 500 名穿制服的妇女的非正式领导人。 她照顾青少年,保持纪律,告诉“她的”女性学习德语以生存,并以“不要打破圈子”的指示击退间谍。

    “红军女孩”和其他妇女一起确保她们被迫为德军制造的装备遭到破坏。 1953 年,在敖德萨,克莱姆被禁止教学并上吊自杀,因为没有人告诉她为什么她被禁止。 当您阅读这本 768 页的书时,永远不会觉得太长。 你们将让拉文斯布吕克的妇女们生活下去。

    77 只“兔子”的故事概括了 Ravensbrück 最好和最坏的一面。 从 1942 年开始,囚犯被用作豚鼠。 在“特种作战”中,腿部肌肉被割断,玻璃、木头和泥土被塞进伤口,要么不治疗,要么用不同类型的药物治疗; 骨头被砸碎。 重复实验。 但当需要清除证据并杀死“兔子”时,整个营地密谋将它们隐藏起来。 “这些实验对科学没有任何证明,”赫尔姆写道。 “但他们已经为人类证明了一些东西。” “兔子”们将这种野蛮的消息走私给外界。 1944 年 XNUMX 月,它从白金汉郡的一个村庄在地下电台播出,但红十字国际委员会仍然没有采取任何行动。

    在拉文斯布鲁克,告密者很普遍。 囚犯被提拔并变得和看守一样野蛮,其中包括来自瑞士的前曼彻斯特卫报记者卡门莫里。 她在被处决之前割破了手腕; 很少有警卫最终受到惩罚。 即使在 1945 年拉文斯布吕克解放后的最初几天,被红十字会在“通往自由之路”上安全地带的囚犯也被盟军的炮火打伤打死,浑身疮痈消瘦,被解放的俄罗斯军队强奸,谁问女人:“你们是从坟墓里出来的吗?” 但进入拉文斯布吕克的 120,000 人中仍有相当多的人幸存下来。 Loulou Le Porz 博士在第 10 区有她的“家人”。她出来后,她告诉 Helm,“人们不再相信人性的善良。 我不得不再次学习它。 而我做到了。” 她停顿了一下。 “但花了很长时间。”

    If This Is a Woman 由 Little, Brown 出版(25 英镑)。 单击此处以 20 英镑的价格购买

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  263. @Mevashir

    请记住,当时正在下降的很多 \$h!t 对最受其影响的人来说毫无意义。 认为有任何狡猾的阴谋委员会在幕后管理一切是错误的。 在二战结束后的几天里,盟军的首要任务是不仅要惩罚被击败的敌人,还要避免一战后发生的事情。 在那场战争之后,德国军方将他们自己的文件严加密封,而盟国的历史学家则撕毁了每一份显示盟国可疑动机的文件。 直到 Fritz Fischer 于 1961 年出版,才开始出现对德国在第一​​次世界大战中的目标(Fischer 的书名)的实际考察。

    盟军政府决定,这一次对德国官员的审判将是彻底的,以致于兴登堡和鲁登道夫这样的恶棍不可能再制造一场恶作剧。 与此同时,正如鲁伯特·巴特勒在我引用他的文章中提到的那样,盟军工作人员中有犹太人,他们有一个特殊的骨头可以挑选。 其中一些在盟军司令部工作的犹太人后来在 1947-8 年期间与以色列军队的战斗中脱颖而出。

    但不仅仅是一些犹太人继续前进。 随着冷战的到来,每个人都开始将旧的冲突转移到背景中。 许多人实际上回想起了大萧条是如何在第一次世界大战之后发生的,并且对“使世界安全的民主战争”产生了很大程度的怀疑。 现在的优先事项似乎要求将关于二战的旧辩论搁置一旁,只专注于在冷战的同时实现经济繁荣。 对“大屠杀所有事物”的迷恋真正在 1970 年代才开始增长。 到这个时候,二战后的经济繁荣现在变成了滞胀,突然间,回忆战争及其后的时期变得很自然。 这被证明是大屠杀狂热的滋生。 但并非所有事情从一开始就计划得很严密,如果有些事情看起来很不稳定,那可能是因为它们确实如此。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @S
  264. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    这份声明为 Hatethaniel 弟兄关于“地中海俱乐部”-奥斯威辛集中营的可悲谎言视频提供了谎言:

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/11/germanys-war-by-john-wear-chapter-8-the-alleged-genocide-of-european-jewry/
    贝尔森一开始还可以忍受,我们有床铺可以睡,还有少量汤和面包。 但是随着营地越来越满,我们和许多其他人得到了一个兵营,可以容纳大约七百人躺在地板上,没有毯子,没有食物或任何东西。 这是一个悲惨的场景,因为营地被虱子袭击,大多数人都患有斑疹伤寒和霍乱。
    . . . 很多人都在谈论奥斯威辛——那是一个可怕的集中营。 但是贝尔森,没有任何语言可以形容它。 . . . 从我的经历和痛苦来看,贝尔森是最糟糕的。

  265. @Mevashir

    关于哪些毒气室被接纳为事后建筑的问题,有奥斯威辛集中营,然后是比克瑙。 允许事后建造适用于奥斯威辛,但不适用于比克瑙。 Fred Leuchter 和后来的 Germar Rudolf 在多个地点进行了测试。

    把“修正主义者”说成一个目标单一的连贯团体是没有意义的。 当我第一次听说罗伯特·福里森时,是在这样的背景下,有些人对诺姆·乔姆斯基做出了一个非常平庸的蹩脚声明表示愤怒,宣布福里森发表他希望的研究的权利应该被接受。 我只是以例行的方式同意乔姆斯基的意见,否则在那之后的很长一段时间里我就不再思考了。

    鉴于希特勒的目标是征服俄罗斯以获得生存空间并允许数以千万计的斯拉夫人死于饥荒(参见亚历克斯·凯,剥削、重新安置、大规模谋杀)我并不感到惊讶的是,胜利者之间有报复性的冲动战争。 但是冷战埋下了很多本该挖出来的东西。 赫鲁晓夫1956年的讲话理论上应该引起对许多事情的重新审视。 但是,冷战的持续不断产生一种无法轻易回避的政治指控。

  266. utu 说:
    @Mevashir

    我强烈建议你阅读 Pilecki 的报告; 它会帮助你意识到你脑海中的奥斯威辛和奥斯威辛一号的形象是非常扭曲的。

    从未认真考虑轰炸奥斯威辛。 关于它的故事是为了让美国人感到内疚,并将焦点从艾希曼的提议转移,即拯救 1 万犹太人购买卡车和其他英国和犹太复国主义者忽视的物资。 如果美国和美国犹太人向德国提供资金来支付犹太人的口粮,数百万犹太人本可以得救。 德国人对食物短缺很着迷。 这是杀害苏联战俘和犹太人的主要原因之一。 德国政府忙于计算卡路里。

    “为什么不提出一个不同的传奇故事” – 二战期间流传着许多不同的故事,包括触电事件。

    “我不明白有多少幸存者能够协调他们关于毒气室的“传奇故事”。” – 这实际上很容易解释虚构的故事如何合并。 战后有些人在他们的前臂上纹了数字,因为集中囚犯的地位是非常可取的,对于那些与德国人合作的人来说尤其重要。

    “即使没有犹太人被故意谋杀……” – 这违反了所有公约,因此是战争罪。

    牛车 – 来自法国、奥地利或荷兰的犹太人乘坐普通客车相对舒适。 他们相信他们将要搬迁和新的定居点,他们带走了食物、衣服和贵重物品。

    门格勒的选择 – 门格勒正在为他的研究寻找标本,所以他的选择很小。 更重要的是谁去上班,做什么工作,去哪里工作,这不是门格勒做的。 然后想象一下,每种交通工具都有些不同,并且有不同的官员在监督它。 但在强制性叙述中,我们一直是门格勒。

    关于奥斯威辛最重要的故事是关于匈牙利犹太人的故事。 1944 年,波兰东部(特雷布林卡、伯利兹或马伊达内克)的营地已经被红军关闭或解放。 有多少匈牙利犹太人被送往奥斯威辛集中营,最终被送进了德国的劳改营? 比克瑙有一个特殊的小型旅馆,里面有数千名匈牙利妇女。 为什么?

    我个人认为在奥斯威辛集中营的几个地方进行了一些毒气处理。 但我非常怀疑有 500 万人或 1 万人在那里被毒死的说法。 如您所知,奥斯威辛的总死亡人数已经从 4 万减少到 1.3 万,我怀疑将来有时会接受进一步减少。 也许我们最终可能会得到 300,000 左右。

    奥斯威辛不是大屠杀的中心点。 犹太人在 22 年 1941 月 1 日之后在东方首先被枪杀。到万湖会议时,已经有 1393 万犹太人被杀。 但他们并没有真正作为犹太人被杀害,作为灭绝所有犹太人的计划,没有这样的计划,而是作为苏联精英的一部分,因为希特勒认为一旦精英被斩首,苏联就会崩溃,只有犹太共产党人将苏联团结在一起。 这与 1939 年对波兰的计划没有什么不同,当时德国人开始杀害波兰知识分子,然后一些犹太人也被杀害,因为他们像律师和医生一样是知识分子的一部分。 但总体而言,在 1941 年 1940 月至 1939 年 1940 月期间,犹太人并未在被占领的波兰成为攻击目标。 相反,犹太人被安置在隔都,并从小城镇搬到大城镇。 这对许多人来说很苛刻,但他们也希望拥有自主权和一些未来的重新安置。 食物总是有问题,他们来了像伤寒这样的疾病。 当时德国人真的相信最终的解决方案是将犹太人安置到巴勒斯坦、乌干达或马达加斯加。 当德国人于 XNUMX 年进入巴黎时,第一件事就是找到波兰和法国关于马达加斯加为波兰犹太人建立殖民地的谈判记录。 XNUMX 年,在波兰的 Nisko 地区,艾什曼试图为来自西里西亚的犹太人建立一个定居点,保留地,但在 XNUMX 年春天,他们被释放并返回家园。 其他纳粹分子有不同的想法。

    1942 年,德国人意识到通过白俄罗斯、乌克兰和波罗的海国家发生的事情以及发现他们可以从当地人口中招募辅助部队来杀害犹太人是可能的。 他们还意识到,在美国参战而英国未征服之后,重新安置犹​​太人是不现实的。 因此,当时不知何故决定杀死波兰犹太人并在波兰建立像特雷布林卡这样的灭绝营,这些营地由乌克兰人、俄罗斯人、白俄罗斯人、立陶宛人、拉脱维亚人和爱沙尼亚人的辅助部队组成。 因此,大屠杀正在从东向西移动,其最后一个也是最不重要的环节是奥斯威辛。

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  267. Mevashir 说:
    @utu

    迷人。 感谢您的详细解释。

    因此,当时不知何故决定杀死波兰犹太人并在波兰建立像特雷布林卡这样的灭绝营,那里居住着乌克兰人、俄罗斯人、白俄罗斯人、立陶宛人、拉脱维亚人和爱沙尼亚人的辅助部队。 因此,大屠杀正在从东向西移动,其最后一个也是最不重要的环节是奥斯威辛。

    这是否符合大卫欧文所说的莱因哈德营地?

    所以你似乎在争论奥斯威辛几乎与实际的大屠杀无关。 为什么有组织的犹太人不能承认这一点?

    • 回复: @utu
  268. utu 说:
    @Mevashir

    显然奥斯威辛并非无关紧要,但应该从某种角度来看,它主要是一个劳动和拘留营,或者更确切地说是集中营群岛,它在大屠杀的最后阶段发挥了作用。

    我建议阅读蒂莫西·斯奈德的书:“血腥之地:希特勒和斯大林之间的欧洲”和“黑土地:作为历史和警告的大屠杀”。 第一个显示大屠杀是发生在纳粹德国和苏联之间的更大规模杀戮和屠杀的一部分。 第二本书给出了大屠杀的时间线感,对原因的更细致入微,以及最有趣的是哪些犹太人是最脆弱的。 犹太人保留公民身份并与希特勒结盟的国家为犹太人提供了最好的保护(斯洛伐克除外)。 如果波兰不与德国开战并接受德国的要求,波兰犹太人可能会幸存下来,或者活得更久。 如果匈牙利不试图从 1944 年与德国的联盟中解脱出来,匈牙利犹太人就不会被杀害。 等等。

    二战和大屠杀的历史确实引人入胜,但是人们必须摆脱以犹太人为中心的教条、图解和陈规定型的叙事,远离极端修正主义者和否认大屠杀的人,它们是犹太人叙事的镜像倒置。 他们相互促进,对真正发生的事情和困难程度进行了更深入、更细致的研究和理解。 当斯奈德写他的书时,这是一个不受主流大屠杀学者欢迎的突破。 第二本书仍然被认为是有争议的。 但我认为他的奖学金非常好,没有什么能阻止他,他和他的犹太人妻子(都在耶鲁)会多种语言(德语、法语、意第绪语、波兰语、俄语),而且他查阅了很多资料。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  269. @Patrick McNally

    涂片不是回复。 这只是一个诽谤,因此,只反映了诽谤者的行为和道德(原文如此)。

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  270. @Mevashir

    顺便说一下,Franz Stangl 于 1967-70 年在德国受审。 Martin Gottfried Weiss 于 1946 年因担任达豪和马伊达内克的指挥官而受到审判和处决。 但达豪是那些最终被承认没有发生毒气的营地之一,尽管声称在达豪发生了大规模毒气。 因此,鲁道夫·霍斯远不是唯一接受审判的指挥官,但批评人士已经注意到这些审判中发生了一些有趣的事情。 冷战提供了一个借口,在没有澄清任何事情的情况下搁置了很多事情。

  271. @J. Alfred Powell

    我没有抹黑任何人。 事实上,罗斯福与引发导致二战的危机毫无关系,巴恩斯在 1920 年代确实被德国政府严重欺骗。

  272. Mevashir 说:
    @utu

    谢谢你的参考。 来自亚马逊对 Snyder 的书 The Black Earth 的评论:

    [更多]

    贯穿本书的两个重要主题。 首先,在奥斯维辛集中营开始有系统地毒害犹太人之前,大屠杀的大多数受害者已经被“普通人”在露天坑中谋杀了:


    “奥斯威辛也成为了大屠杀的标准速记,因为当以某种神秘的和还原的方式对待时,它似乎将大规模屠杀犹太人与人类的选择和行动区分开来...... 当对犹太人的大屠杀仅限于一个特殊的地方并被视为非个人程序的结果时,那么我们就不必面对这样一个事实,即与我们没有太大区别的人在近距离谋杀了与我们没有太大区别的其他人。”

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  273. @Mevashir

    斯奈德在很大程度上反映了在丹尼尔·戈德哈根 (Daniel Goldhagen) 的《希特勒的刽子手》中首次出现的 Faurisson 效应。 戈德哈根是第一位从“毒气室”观点转向卢旺达式事件的著名作家。 但证据是否允许我们通过这种方法拯救东正教大屠杀? 与集中在特定营地相比,分析散布在广泛地理区域的杀戮的说法肯定更复杂。 但请考虑 Jedwabne 的情况。

    这是一个波兰小镇,在波兰人的参与下进行了大屠杀。 扬格罗斯写了一本关于这一事件的书,他声称有 1600 名犹太人在大屠杀中丧生。 因为格罗斯起诉波兰人而不仅仅是德国人,而且波兰人有时仍然可以为自己辩护,这导致了争议,将人数降为 400 人或更少。 问题是,许多关于别动队被杀的更精彩的故事都涉及与关于 Jedwabne 的争论类似的问题。

    特别是 Babi Yar 遗址声称有超过 33,000 名受害者在那里被杀(有些书声称有 300,000 名),然后全部被烧毁,没有任何火葬场。 现场的航拍照片让人很难相信如此大量的尸体在没有任何进一步的法医证据的情况下被临时掩埋、挖掘,然后在木头等上被烧毁。 毫无疑问,那里进行了某种报复性杀戮。 故事是苏联游击队引发了某种类型的爆炸,导致 33,000 多名犹太人被杀。 这个数字可能像 Jedwabne 一样被大大夸大了,但在那里发生了某种程度的野蛮屠杀是有道理的。

    早在 1988 年的 Zundel 审判中,当 Mark Weber 被要求就法庭的修正主义观点发表演讲时,他被问到他认为 Einsatzgruppen 被杀的数量是多少。 他回答的范围是 200,000 到 800,000。 当时非常有名的作家劳尔·希尔伯格(Raul Hilberg)在他的书中给出了 1.3 万的要求。 这是大屠杀修正主义最接近正统的地方。 韦伯给出的较高估计值约为希尔伯格数的 62%。 我自己没有任何确切的估计,但我确实希望对证据的仔细研究会发现更多与 Jedwabne 发生的情况类似的漏洞。 只是通过大量的小例子,建立一个修正主义的案例,时间更长。

    • 回复: @utu
  274. utu 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    Jedwabne 是煽动和策划反对苏维埃政权的大屠杀计划的一部分,因为犹太人被认为是苏联的积极支持者和合作者,这显然不完全正确。 根据蒂莫西·斯奈德的说法,该计划没有奏效,因为人们对这样的事情没有表现出热情,而且只有在一些德国部队在场刺激和威胁当地居民对犹太人采取行动时才奏效。 这就是为什么这项工作留给了别动队和辅助部队的原因。

    AFAIK 在拉比的要求下,就在估计尸体数量较少(大约 200 具)和发现子弹时停止了在 Jedwabne 的挖掘工作。 根据格罗斯的说法,那里没有德国人,因此没有枪支。

  275. Nancy 说:
    @Mevashir

    天主教的传统立场是“不允许任何人伤害犹太人,不允许犹太人颠覆基督教文化”。 拿破仑对他们的“解放”很快导致渗透和颠覆。 (即,参见 Louis-Matthieu Mole) 历史表明这是如何发生的。 (我需要提到弗洛伊德吗?托洛茨基?马格努斯赫希菲尔德?法兰福特学派?等)然而,即使是前基督教文化也不信任犹太人。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
  276. @Patrick McNally

    不,你错了,被误导了。 巴恩斯关于第一次世界大战起源的奖学金是坚实的文献史学,以证据为基础,同时有大量的证人和分析员——哈佛教授 Sidney B. Fay,世界大战的起源,查尔斯·坦西尔,美国走向战争,约翰肯尼思·特纳 (Kenneth Turner),再一次,C. 哈雷·格拉顿 (C. Harley Grattan),我们为何而战,MH Cochran,德国 1914 年无罪,是法语、德语和意大利语以及英语和英国的广泛循证研究的五个例子和美国人一样。 可耻的是官方历史对这些事件的伪造版本的支持者试图无视非常可靠的事实,攻击和压制尊重和陈述这些事件的历史学家。 这些人不尊重事实,他们尊重权力。 关于知识分子的性质和后果,请参阅朱利安·本达 (Julian Benda) 的叛逆。

    我熟悉对巴恩斯的攻击,表面上是“受惠于”和“模仿”德国人的观点,但这种叙述与他的学术出版物中证实的年表背道而驰。 巴恩斯基于证据的证据证明,凡尔赛条约所依据的关于第一次世界大战“原因”的“德国有罪”理论是完全错误的,在他的奖学金和其他人(例如上面的费伊)中建立并发表,几年前它引起了德国历史学家的注意,这发生在 1924 年以后。 但巴恩斯发表的关于该学科的奖学金可以追溯到 1919 年,Fays 和其他人也是如此。 (对这些突然出现的事实的讨论是国际性的。)德国人当然欢迎他的证据,并予以宣传。 但正如巴恩斯的攻击者所声称的那样,他们并没有为此付出代价或塑造它。 他的论文在德国第一次被听到时,已经被事实所塑造。 那些歪曲这些基本事实以攻击巴恩斯揭露他们想要压制的重要事情的人,要么不了解他们诽谤的史学及其确立的事实,要么是史学的叛徒,将事实和真相都出卖给权威的动机和权力。 关于这一点,见本达。

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  277. @Patrick McNally

    “罗斯福与引发导致二战的危机无关”的断言是 JP 肯尼迪故事中的一个关键问题,在他的外交回忆录中,我们可以推测它,也在泰勒肯特案。 赫伯特·胡佛的《被背叛的自由》是另一个有争议的文本。 你试图驳回整个主题,好像长期解决没有得到对该主题及其证据的知情熟人的支持。

    • 同意: Arthur MacBride, utu
    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  278. @Mevashir

    您为我发布的 Nathanael 弟兄视频寻找的 URL 是:



    视频链接

    现在,如果我上面以 URL 格式写的内容作为视频显示在 UR 评论中,我将在下面将其写成“间隔”:

    https://www.bitchute.com/ 视频 /a9PjidCBGnyl/

    (只需删除“视频”一词两侧的空格,就可以开始了)。

    同时,为什么对拿但业弟兄说严厉的话?

    毕竟,如果他所说的关于 Holohoax 是真的(如果客观地研究像修正主义者 John Wear、Nick Kollerstrom 等的主要原始资料,人们会发现它确实是无可辩驳的真实),那么我们不应该给予纳撒尼尔弟兄一枚奖章什么的,甚至可能建造相当于林肯纪念堂的东西来纪念他是一个讲真话的人?

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  279. @Mevashir

    你写道(回应我对二战后 Zio-cabal 计划的评论):

    '这在我看来完全是错误的。 联合国分区计划于 1947 年通过,早在好莱坞开始普及大屠杀之前。 '

    事实上,这是完全正确的。

    Mevashir,在你对 Holohoax 寓言进行了彻底的灌输之后,我没想到你会醒来并顿悟。
    很有可能,你是一个失败的事业。 你知道,“不能教老狗……”等等。

    我把它贴在 UR 上是为了启发其他人,那些具有完整批判性思维能力的人。

    而且,关于 1947 年早在好莱坞/Zio 媒体机构开始普及 Holohoax 之前,你就错了。

    即使在二战期间,他们也已经开始了。

    如果您还没有看过以下电影(1944 年制作),我建议您观看:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Skeffington

    维基百科中对情节的描述足以让你相信好莱坞已经开始宣传了。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  280. @Mevashir

    您引用的内容(在您的评论#272 中)是断章取义的。

    是的,正如约翰·威尔正确指出的那样,在“然后结束”时,贝尔森是可怕的。

    但什么是“结束”? 这代表了战争的最后 6-7 个月。

    盟军此时已经获得了压倒性的空中优势,每一列火车、道路上的每一辆车、所有移动的东西都被扫射和轰炸而被遗忘。
    观看在二战结束阶段在德国拍摄的这段真实镜头:

    “任何移动的东西”声明的扫射并不夸张。 你自己看:

    底线:在战争的最后几个月,德国的运输和物流网络遭到破坏,食物甚至无法送达饥饿的德国平民。

    以前在波兰和帝国东部(数以百万计)的囚犯和难民被疏散并带回西部(因此在贝尔森等地出现令人震惊的过度拥挤)。

    其中一位被疏散的囚犯是安妮弗兰克的父亲奥托——他选择向西走,因此在战争结束时还活着——他继续活到 91 岁(1980 年去世)。
    安妮弗兰克也被赋予了这个选择(是的,这是一个选择),但她决定留在原地,认为她会更好地应对入侵的苏联部落。

    安妮弗兰克选择不明智。 如果她和德国人一起向西撤离,她就会活下来,德国人采取一切预防措施将不必要的生命损失降到最低。

  281. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    我感谢您为((重新))教育我所做的努力。 我并没有完全否定你和其他人一起写的东西。 我正在考虑这一切。 但正如你所知,从边缘回来是一条很长的路。

    毕竟,如果他所说的关于 Holohoax 是真的(如果客观地研究像修正主义者 John Wear、Nick Kollerstrom 等的主要原始资料,人们会发现它确实是无可辩驳的真实),那么我们不应该给予纳撒尼尔弟兄一枚奖章什么的,甚至可能建造相当于林肯纪念堂的东西来纪念他是一个讲真话的人?

    如果他说的是真的,那么他确实应该获得一枚奖牌。 我不喜欢他嘲笑的语气。 他喜欢把它放在所有犹太人的眼中,我认为他的态度是不正确的。 我也不相信所有照片的出处。 我不知道这些照片是在哪里拍摄的,它们在描绘什么,直到我能看到可验证的来源,我才选择不相信它们。

    无论集中营里的条件多么“人道”,被关押在那里的人都会违背他们的意愿被围捕,被强行运往奴隶劳改营,通常回家后发现他们的所有财产都被没收。 任何一个心智正常的人都不敢嘲笑这个过程。

  282. Mevashir 说:

    RON UNZ 的问题:

    你会考虑创建一个 Unz Review 应用程序吗?

  283. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    如果您还没有看过以下电影(1944 年制作),我建议您观看:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Skeffington

    维基百科中对情节的描述足以让你相信好莱坞已经开始宣传了。

    我仔细阅读了情节摘要。 看起来像是一部冗长乏味的电影。 我不明白你怎么能认为这是犹太复国主义宣传的一部分。 它甚至没有提到犹太复国主义、以色列国或类似的东西。

    我的改革派拉比(当我还是个孩子在加利福尼亚时)来自匹兹堡,他告诉我几乎所有好莱坞制片厂的负责人都是移居西部的匹兹堡犹太人。 你真的希望犹太人不要试图在文化上表达自己吗?

    我指的是公然的犹太复国主义类型的电影,比如保罗纽曼的出埃及记。 这类电影直到 1960 年代才出现。 类似的文学作品,如 Mila-18 和 Leon Uris 的其他赞美犹太复国主义的书籍。 也是 James Michener 的著名著作 The Source。

    如果您是美国人,您可能需要考虑以下事项。 美国为犹太人提供了有史以来获得地位和成功的最大机会。 美国是一个独特的开放社会,尤其是与欧洲相比。 美国的问题在于它是在暴力和反抗上帝置于我们之上的国王的双重公国下建立的,圣经告诉我们应该服从。 我完全不确定你是否可以根据圣经为美国革命辩护,尽管福音派试图让美国开国元勋成为值得尊敬的基督教圣徒。

    犹太人在美国历史上一直很重要,在这里普遍受到欢迎,为社会做出了巨大贡献,并获得了巨大的回报。 除了犹太人试图利用美国来应对以色列的命运之外,可能没有人会太担心这一点。

    但即便如此,这也植根于美国早期的身份认同。 马修亨利和其他清教徒圣经学者的著作表明,他们相信一个犹太国家的末日恢复并期待它。 甚至克里斯托弗·哥伦布(Christopher Columbus)也将他希望在西航中发现的黄金用于新的十字军东征,以从穆斯林手中解放耶路撒冷。 对圣地和犹太人的痴迷与美国身份深深地交织在一起。

    我接受关于犹太人权力可能过大并且钟摆摆动得太远的说法,但我反对在这里发表评论的人试图完全扼杀和消灭所有犹太人身份的努力。 你完全释放的偏执心态最终会成为甚至像 Ron Unz 这样的人的受害者,就像纳粹将欧洲所有中产阶级平民犹太人围捕并将他们变成帝国的奴隶劳工一样。

    即使集中营中没有蓄意谋杀犹太人,纳粹的所作所为仍然是反人类罪。 犹太人有一个长期而高尚的传统,即极大地夸大民族创伤。 塔木德(Talmud)对罗马与巴尔-科赫巴的战争中的犹太人死亡人数做出了一些令人发指的声明。 犹太人往往是一个情绪化的表演民族。

    但是,你和其他人想要梳理历史记录和死亡分类账的方式有些残忍,编制会计师关于大屠杀的统计数据,同时嘲笑那些在骇人听闻的条件下作为奴隶工作并最终拥有的人的痛苦他们所有的战前财产都被没收回家。

    你就像人们为被公共汽车撞倒的人争论死因一样。 一个人说是因为内出血。 另一个说是脑休克。 另一个说是心力衰竭。 另一个人说断骨刺破了他的肺,导致他死亡。 与此同时,当你在玩验尸官游戏时,驾驶公共汽车的人可以免费离开斯科特。

    你只见树木不见森林。 我永远不会接受这种方法。

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  284. @Mevashir

    你写:

    “但你和其他人想要梳理历史记录和死亡分类账,编制会计师关于大屠杀的统计数据,同时嘲笑人们的苦难……”

    我没有嘲笑任何人,并且为 UR 读者提供一些*他们可能不知道的事实和数据并仔细阅读并没有什么可怕的。
    因为他们和你一样,只听到了 Zio 控制的 MSM 和被操纵的历史记录告诉他们的事情。

    (* 我写了“一些”,因为 UR 的读者群消息灵通,其中很大一部分已经知道 Holohoax 的真相,因此就他们而言,我不会增加讨论)。

    我所寻求的只是发布信息,参考最优秀的历史学家和研究人员,例如有史以来最伟大的二战历史学家——正是大卫欧文,他有能力从主要来源获取定量和定性事实条款,是首屈一指的。

    揭露 Holohoax 骗局的全部意义,就像揭露 JFK 暗杀和 9/11 的 Zio 策划一样,并不是要嘲笑和制造针对普通犹太人的种族紧张局势,因为他们和其他人一样是这场伟大的地缘政治游戏中的棋子我们。

    重点一直是向公众揭露事实,当意识到关键门槛时,我们可以站起来逮捕和起诉一小部分 ZIO 歹徒,他们用所有这些虚假的旗帜、战争来暴虐世界代表以色列的霸权,为犹太复国主义高利贷银行家的发财而战。

    这是我的愿望 Mevashir,也是我相信无数其他人所寻求的。

    让我感到恼火的是,对于每一个真正试图向权力说真话的吉拉德·阿兹蒙、亨利·马科、吉迪恩·利维,甚至是罗恩·恩茨来说,还有无数犹太人为 Zio 不法分子辩护,不努力去争取到真相。

    犹太人的狂热部落主义以及他们每次有人将矛头指向已知的 Zio 不法分子之一(如迈克尔切尔托夫、菲利普泽利科或理查德王子Darkness 的 Perle),绝对令人作呕。

    让我们希望 Mevashir,你能说服你的一些兄弟从黑暗面过来。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  285. Mevashir 说:
    @Truth Vigilante

    感谢您的澄清。

    让我感到恼火的是,对于每一个真正试图向权力说真话的吉拉德·阿兹蒙、亨利·马科、吉迪恩·利维,甚至是罗恩·恩茨来说,还有无数犹太人为 Zio 不法分子辩护,不努力去争取到真相。

    这是我 Makow 多年前发表的一篇文章:
    https://www.henrymakow.com/messianic_jew_renounces_israel.html

    当我去旧金山的以色列领事馆正式放弃我的公民身份时,他们不让我,因为当时我有 18 岁以下的孩子……

    他们还收取 $150 来放弃您的公民身份。

    也许有一天我真的会解决它。 尽管随着社会的迅速恶化,它似乎并不是那么重要。

    让我们希望 Mevashir,你能说服你的一些兄弟从黑暗面过来

    不幸的是,我对他们中的任何一个都没有发言权。 我父亲剥夺了我的继承权,我的兄弟们认为我是个疯子。 我的母亲爱我,就像所有母亲都倾向于对待他们的孩子一样,但她不了解这些问题。 她曾经说过,在与我父亲离婚后,她再也不会嫁给一个犹太男人了!

  286. @J. Alfred Powell

    德国经理只给了巴恩斯一份非常精挑细选的文件样本。 Fritz Fischer,德国在第一​​次世界大战中的目标,是第一个真正开始进入核心文件的权威历史著作。 所有其他作者(Sydney Fay、Charles Tansill 等人)写的时候,德国外交部只发布了真实德国纪录片的精选样本。 绕过他们就等于坚持从 1989 年以来再也不读任何关于苏联的书籍。

    当然,在稍后阶段回顾在文档发布之前编写的旧书仍然有一些效用。 但仅仅专注于这一点充其量是天真的。 就德意志帝国而言,情况尤其糟糕,因为任何阅读过魏玛共和国时期创作的一些较旧的右翼民族主义文学作品的人都会知道,德国保守派强烈谴责卡尔·考茨基 (Karl Kautsky) 和爱德华·伯恩斯坦 (Eduard Bernstein) 等社会民主党人试图敦促德国文件应该出版说明德意志帝国的战争目标。 对社会民主党的这些攻击类似于美国共产党谴责呼吁公布有关卡廷的文件,同时宣传德国人支持它的故事。

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  287. @J. Alfred Powell

    我已经阅读了作者的许多尝试来制作有关其含义的文档,很明显,他们所提供的只是误导。 真正的问题归结为几点。

    与 1939 年战争爆发有关的任何事情首先也是最核心的是希特勒于 1939 年 30 月占领捷克斯洛伐克。这决定了接下来的一切。 英国外交政策界长期以来一直承认,根据凡尔赛条约做出的领土安排是人为的,可能不可持续。 约翰·梅纳德·凯恩斯 (John Maynard Keynes) 是这一观点最杰出的早期倡导者之一。 到 XNUMX 年代中期,几乎所有英国外交政策制定者的工作人员都接受了这个想法。 这就是为什么没有试图阻止希特勒占领莱茵兰甚至进入奥地利的原因。 每个指导英国外交政策的人都开始接受这是不可避免的,重新开始是愚蠢的。

    但是当希特勒对捷克斯洛伐克提出要求时,他不仅仅是要求苏台德地区(这是真正的日耳曼地区)。 相反,他要求德国应该简单地占领整个捷克斯洛伐克,盟军应该默许这一点。 张伯伦狠狠地站了起来,并明确表示,如果希特勒这样做,那就意味着战争。 相反,张伯伦欣然向希特勒提供苏台德地区作为德国人居住的地区。 希特勒对此非常愤怒,但他意识到,如果他现在允许战争爆发,那么在公众面前会显得非常糟糕。 所以他名义上接受了张伯伦的条件,但随后在 15 月 XNUMX 日,他开始以张伯伦措手不及的方式穿越捷克斯洛伐克。

    这就是使传说中的绥靖政策名誉扫地的原因。 直到现在,批评者都指向《我的奋斗》和希特勒多年来发表的大量演讲,声称他追求的不仅仅是根据人口统计数据和平重新安排边界。 但是,捷克斯洛伐克的占领现在是对此的具体措施。 这样做后不久,希特勒开始提出但泽走廊的问题。

    许多英国人已经认识到但泽的问题与苏台德地区有些相似。 如果希特勒从未占领过捷克斯洛伐克,那么他很容易就对但泽的要求找到同情的耳朵。 但现在不仅英国外交政策制定者而且波兰人面临的新问题是希特勒的真正目标。 希特勒实际上在他于 23 年 1939 月 XNUMX 日口述给施蒙特的协议中陈述了他自己的目标:

    “危险的不是但泽。 对我们来说,这是扩大我们在东方的生存空间的问题……”

    虽然当时波兰或英国没有人能够阅读此类文件,但希特勒已放弃《慕尼黑协定》这一事实使这变得不必要。 波兰人看到,如果他们在春天默许但泽,他们就可以准备好在秋天占领他们的国家。 英国人同样看到,如果他们试图像他们迫使贝内斯在苏台德地区让步一样向波兰施压,让他们在但泽问题上让步,那么他们在外交政策上的最后一丝信誉就会消失。 这种情况导致英国宣布无条件支持波兰。 这一切都与罗斯福没有任何关系。

    但不知何故,这个故事已经流传开来,声称这是罗斯福的一个计划,导致张伯伦宣布支持波兰。 约瑟夫·肯尼迪确实有助于让这个故事流传开来。 问题是这种说法是否有任何事实依据。 试图确定这个谣言的起源提供了一些有趣的花絮,经过检查,这些花絮的意思并非暗示的意思。

    回到张伯伦和罗斯福之间的关系以及他们之间可能没有记录的通信。 关于这一点,我在真实的外交记录中没有发现太多内容,但有一些可信的说法在流传。 故事是张伯伦想向罗斯福求援,罗斯福表示不能给。 真正的问题是张伯伦期待什么样的援助? 话虽如此,但人们似乎倾向于将作为第二个故事传递出去的人暗示(没有直接说,因为这很荒谬)张伯伦认为罗斯福可以以某种方式迫使波兰在但泽问题上让步。 然后,事情是这样的,罗斯福拒绝让波兰屈服于但泽(一些非常奇怪的评论家甚至暗示罗斯福阻止波兰人在他们真正想要的时候对但泽让步)。 据称罗斯福在此发动了战争。

    这显然是荒谬的 hokum,但到底发生了什么? 很容易相信张伯伦在考虑宣布支持波兰时会与罗斯福协商。 说如果罗斯福是像希特勒或斯大林那样的独裁者,那么他本可以让事情发生一些不同的情况也有道理。 波兰当然不会对但泽(在目睹希特勒占领捷克斯洛伐克后,尽管慕尼黑协定)没有特别强烈的保证,他们将支持任何随后的冲突,而这些冲突可能会在希特勒最终决定违反他自己的协议进一步向东移动时爆发。 . 但是,如果罗斯福是元首或 Vozhd,那么他本可以对此做出保证而忽略公众舆论。

    罗斯福不是任何类型的独裁者(即使他有时希望自己是),他也不提供这样的支持。 有证据表明,罗斯福在与张伯伦的沟通中详细阐述了美国国内的政治局势。 1939 年的政治是这样的,如果罗斯福在谈判但泽时试图将自己定位为英国、法国和波兰的盟友,那么他很可能会输掉 1940 年的选举。 这将使罗斯福试图向张伯伦提供的任何支持无效。 罗斯福向张伯伦明确说明了这一点,以强调他现在什么也做不了。

    与此同时,罗斯福提出,如果张伯伦现在让步,如果希特勒随后像他在捷克斯洛伐克那样占领整个波兰,那么他很难说服美国公众他们随后开战。超过波兰。 罗斯福对张伯伦的这些陈述完全符合事实。 如果对张伯伦没有宣布他支持波兰有任何疑问,这些来自罗斯福的花絮就结束了。

    但同样,希特勒辩护者的处理方式听起来好像张伯伦并不认为核心问题是希特勒占领慕尼黑,然后对波兰提出与他对捷克斯洛伐克所经历的非常相似的要求。 他们甚至听起来好像只是因为罗斯福把它放在脑海中才得到支持。 这简直是​​荒谬的。 张伯伦只是想看看罗斯福能否在宣布无条件支持波兰之前帮助他进一步向希特勒施压。 罗斯福诚实地澄清说他不能。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  288. S 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    在二战结束后的几天里,盟军的首要任务是不仅要惩罚被击败的敌人,还要避免一战后发生的事情。

    同样,对于美国来说,特别是为了避免内战后发生的事情,在那里,一个被击败的南方敌人只是部分地“去邦联”。 [南方邦联与美国的战争和 NS 德国与苏联的战争之间有很多相似之处。]

    在那场战争之后,德国军方将他们自己的文件严加密封,而盟国的历史学家则撕毁了每一份显示盟国可疑动机的文件。

    当然,在欧洲和两次世界大战的缩影中,德国的地缘政治目标是成为欧洲大陆的霸主,并获得“生存空间”,特别是以斯拉夫俄罗斯为代价,例如乌克兰。 [人们当然应该很容易理解为什么斯拉夫人可能不喜欢那样。]

    然而,就宏观世界而言,在第一次世界大战开始前大约一代人,世界实际上已经在很大程度上被征服了,当时美国和英国大约在 1900 年形成了“特殊关系”,这种关系只是短暂的一个彻底的政治联盟。 从那以后,两国几乎一起做了所有事情,尤其是战争。

    [更多]

    WT Stead,Cecil Rhodes 的亲密伙伴,在他 10 年出版的书的第 11、12 和 1902 页中肯定对这些事情“知情” 世界的美国化,计算出美国/英国加起来有 三次 的财富和经济资源 合并的 法国、俄罗斯和德意志帝国。 因此,他认为美国/英国是地球的“霸主”和“世界征服者”。

    在网上可以找到多篇 19 世纪末和 20 世纪初的英国文章,专门指出德国新贵的崛起是大英帝国未来的潜在问题,必须采取行动。

    在此之前,在 1853 年,美国出现了一本广为流传、广受好评的书,名为 新罗马 (链接如下),其中概述了未来美国/英国统一战线如何在其首次采取行动征服欧洲大陆的权力中心德国时,将如何在地球上发动一场“世界大战”(第 105 页) . 在美国/英国巩固德国的失败和征服之后,俄罗斯将成为下一个接受同样待遇的人。

    在这种背景下,我想我看到了两次世界大战,以及可能即将到来的第三次世界大战,因为美国/英国正在塑造世界以适应其地缘政治目标,巩固其霸权

    斯大林、希特勒、东条、墨索里尼等,尽管每个人都可能很狡猾,但与他们所面对的力量和人物相比,他们只是“树林里的宝贝”。

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n7/mode/2up

    https://archive.org/details/politicalprophec00goeb/page/n3/mode/2up

  289. @Patrick McNally

    您要么不了解 Barnes 的实际工作(以及其他数十人的工作),要么误解了它,要么歪曲了它。 它并没有远程依赖“德国经理”。 自 1919 年以来,多个国家的众多历史学家出版、讨论和分析了其成立所依据的文件。 您的评论要么是基于不理解,要么是有意间接误导。 它们基于无视证据或假装。 无论哪种方式,都足够了。

    同样的问题会破坏你对二战前夕和罗斯福在其中的作用的讨论。 片面的阅读不服务于或导致合法的历史编纂,它服务于宣传和妄想。 从人们希望认可的结论出发并不是研究。 这是对自己和/或他人的错觉。 将您指向证据或信息来源没有任何意义,因为您的评论表明您不尊重证据并且只阅读您希望的主题的“侧面”。 在我看来,这在智力或道德上都不值得尊重。

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  290. @Mevashir

    关于卑尔根-贝尔森的问题,值得引用劳尔·希尔伯格:

    “旧的营地没有足够的空间容纳新囚犯的涌入,因此大大扩展了一个营地以接收溢出的囚犯。 这是位于德国西北部汉诺威附近的策勒的卑尔根-贝尔森。 Bergen-Belsen 最初是一个国防军营地,用于收容受伤的战俘。 1943 年秋天,波尔获得了一半的土地,以便在那里建立一个拘留营。 他需要一个可以遣返外国人的地方——用外交部官员的话来说,一个不会引起“暴行宣传”(Greuelpropaganda)的营地。 虽然卑尔根-贝尔森一开始是一个模范营地,但即使在早期,它也负担不起外​​国政府的检查......

    “到 XNUMX 月和 XNUMX 月,前线开始瓦解。 越来越多的士兵投降,大多数主要城市都被放弃了,劳改营和集中营不得不撤离。 从东到西,有强迫劳动者和集中营囚犯的交通工具向内滚动。 一些火车车厢被避开到侧轨并被遗弃给盟军轰炸机。

    “在卑尔根-贝尔森,营地管理崩溃了。 随着数以万计的新囚犯被扔进集中营(在 4 年 13 月 1945 日至 28,000 日这一单周,这一数字为 XNUMX 人),食物供应被切断,角色召唤停止,饥饿的囚犯被留下他们自己的设备。 斑疹伤寒和腹泻肆虐肆虐,尸体在军营和粪堆上腐烂。 老鼠袭击活着的囚犯,死者的尸体被饥饿的囚犯吃掉。”
    — 劳尔·希尔伯格,《欧洲犹太人的毁灭》,第 3 版,第 1053-4 页。

    尽管我同意 Robert Faurisson 对 Raul Hilberg 的许多批评,但他的书值得一​​读。 希尔伯格明确表示,卑尔根-贝尔森本身并没有被设计为“死亡集中营”,而是在战争后期变成了一个,就像战争中经常发生的那样。 卑尔根-贝尔森的场景很像美国内战中的安德森维尔。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
  291. @J. Alfred Powell

    Barnes 编写的任何内容的问题在于它无法访问 Fritz Fischer 所做的文档。 它只是基于对记录的部分阅读,因此误解了正在发生的事情。 就 1939 年的情况而言,没有人能够对我列出的简单事件序列提出任何实际的反驳。 如果试图这样做,则相当于暗示以下一项或两项:

    A) 要么是声称张伯伦会允许希特勒占领波兰,如果罗斯福没有以某种方式促使他采取支持波兰的立场。

    要不然:

    B) 声称如果罗斯福没有说服波兰人拒绝,波兰可以以某种方式被说服接受类似于慕尼黑的但泽协议。

    这两个都是假的。 1939 年 XNUMX 月违反《慕尼黑协定》(波兰人自己默许)意味着波兰人不愿意相信对他们达成的《慕尼黑协定》,也不会同意任何关于但泽的协定。 同样,张伯伦也知道,如果他试图推动波兰人采用这种做法,他就没有可信度。 唯一可以理性地说的是,如果罗斯福拥有希特勒的独裁权力,那么他本可以无视美国舆论,试图与张伯伦结成更强大的联盟,目的是像以前那样谈判但泽。苏台德地区。 但罗斯福没有这样的权力,也无法做到这一点。

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  292. Ron Unz 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    我从来没有读过费舍尔的书,也没有研究过第一次世界大战的起源,但我对德国的责备假说非常怀疑,因为大约在同一时间 AJP Taylor,也许是英国的主要历史学家,被牛津大学清除了出版他关于第二次世界大战起源的经典著作。 我认为,为第一次世界大战重新妖魔化德国的广泛政治/媒体努力可能已经成为一个可能的项目。

    但不知何故,这个故事已经流传开来,声称这是罗斯福的一个计划,导致张伯伦宣布支持波兰。

    然而,我研究了围绕二战的问题,我发现你极其传统的叙述非常没有说服力。 以下是我自己关于该主题的长篇文章中的一些相关段落:

    1930 年代,约翰·T·弗林 (John T. Flynn) 是美国最有影响力的进步记者之一,尽管他一开始是罗斯福及其新政的坚定支持者,但逐渐成为尖锐的批评家,认为罗斯福的各种政府计划未能复兴美国经济。 然后在 1937 年,一场新的经济崩溃使失业率飙升至总统刚上任时的水平,证实了弗林的严厉判决。 并作为 我写的 去年:

    确实,弗林声称,到1937年末,罗斯福已经采取了侵略性的外交政策,旨在使该国卷入一场大规模的对外战争,主要是因为他认为这是走出他绝望的经济和政治框框的唯一途径,而不是一种战略在整个历史上的国家领导人中都是未知的。 在 他于5年1938月XNUMX日 新共和国 栏罗斯福的一位高级顾问私下向他吹嘘说,大规模的“军事基西斯主义”和一场大规模的战争将治愈该国似乎无法解决的经济问题。 当时,与日本的战争(可能是出于拉丁美洲的利益)似乎是预定的目标,但是欧洲发生的事件很快就使罗斯福说服了煽动对德国发动全面战争是最好的做法。 后来的研究人员获得的回忆录和其他历史文献似乎大致上支持了弗林的指控,表明罗斯福下令外交官向英国和波兰政府施加巨大压力,以避免与德国进行任何谈判解决,从而导致第二次世界大战的爆发在1939年。

    最后一点很重要,因为最接近重要历史事件的人的机密意见应该具有相当大的证据权重。 在 最近的一篇文章 约翰·威尔 (John Wear) 召集了众多同时代的评估,这些评估暗示罗斯福是策划世界大战的关键人物,因为他不断向英国政治领导层施压,他甚至私下承认的政策如果曝光,可能意味着他的弹劾。 在其他证词中,我们有波兰和英国驻华盛顿大使以及美国驻伦敦大使的声明,他们也传达了张伯伦总理本人的同意意见。 事实上,德国在 1939 年捕获和公布的波兰秘密外交文件已经揭示了大部分信息,威廉·亨利·张伯林在他 1950 年的书中证实了它们的真实性。 但由于主流媒体从未报道过任何此类信息,因此即使在今天,这些事实仍然鲜为人知。

    所以我们有一个非常可靠的消息来源报告说,在 1937 年末,罗斯福的高级助手私下吹嘘他们计划让美国人参与一场重大的世界大战,以解决他们看似棘手的国内经济问题。 一两年后,我们有非常有见识的消息来源声称罗斯福在煽动第二次世界大战在欧洲爆发方面发挥了绝对关键的作用。

    相对于那种非常第一手的证据,我真的不认为你的那些一般性的“标准叙述”声明很有价值。

    如果你还没有这样做,你真的应该阅读我关于这个主题的长篇文章:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

  293. @Ron Unz

    苹果和橙子。 毫无疑问,罗斯福一直在寻找可以帮助他的战争。 然而,这与捷克斯洛伐克被占领后在欧洲爆发的危机没有直接关系。 在政治中很常见的是,人们会跳到别处开始的事情上并利用它来解决问题,而无需自己动手。 这就是使整个 CV-19 辩论如此复杂的原因。 毫无疑问,中国希望特朗普为此更换并使用CV-19。 但这是否意味着中国政府故意向民众释放病毒,并相信它最终会蜿蜒流向美国? 这似乎令人怀疑。 也许像你假设的那样,MIC 的一些新保守主义者确实试图感染中国? 如果是这样,似乎会引发意想不到的后果(尤其是病毒在以色列造成严重破坏并推翻内塔尼亚胡)。

    因此,虽然没有理由怀疑罗斯福(以及丘吉尔和斯大林)认为战争可以使他受益的方式,但他主要只是依赖于出现的机会。 当鞋子放在另一只脚上时,这一点很容易被希特勒的辩护者识别出来。 例如,今天大多数历史学家普遍承认希特勒没有放火烧德国国会大厦。 这真的是一个孤独的疯子,荷兰无政府主义者马里努斯·范德卢贝,他放火烧了希望点燃一场革命。 希特勒一直打算制定诸如《授权法案》之类的东西(在希特勒获得总理职位之前已被其他人提出),但当他抓住德国国会大厦的火时,他只是投机取巧。

    这同样适用于罗斯福,以及他对战争将有利于新政的期望。 如果希特勒只是独自离开捷克斯洛伐克并寻求与波兰在但泽走廊上达成和解,那么罗斯福或其他任何人都无法发动战争。 希特勒在向波兰提出要求之前决定占领捷克斯洛伐克,这反映了他长期向东行驶以寻求生存空间。

    至于 Fischer 和 Taylor 之间的日期似乎巧合,这只是反映了在这一时期有更多的文件被曝光。 就第一次世界大战而言,这一点尤其值得注意,因为任何看过 1920 年代德国右翼旧小册子的人都会发现,这些小册子对社会民主党提议从档案中公开文件的努力充满敌意。 1920 年代,当哈里·埃尔默·巴恩斯 (Harry Elmer Barnes) 在德国受到欢迎时,他收到了一份非常精选的文件样本,这些文件并未反映德国在战争中的实际目标。

    但为了记录,应该强调弗里茨·费舍尔并没有声称威廉二世故意在 1914 年发动战争。他试图通过支持奥地利与塞尔维亚的战争来进行某种权力游戏,但所有证据表明他低估了这将如何触发俄罗斯的动员,然后迫使德国动员并指挥战争。 Fischer 经历的大部分事情就像是大量的 PNAC/JINSA 文件显示了 911 事件后议程是如何起作用的。 但这仍然符合威廉二世并非故意发动战争,而是试图以沙皇俄国对塞尔维亚的羞辱来实现较小的权力政变,然后发动一场无心的战争的观点。

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  294. Ron Unz 说:
    @Patrick McNally

    我引用了同时代知识渊博的观察员的许多具体声明,其中许多人处于导致第二次世界大战爆发的事件的绝对中心,其中一些出现在秘密外交通讯中。 几乎所有这些都被主流历史学家忽视或压制,可能是害怕分享 AJP Taylor 和我在长篇文章中讨论的许多其他领先学者和记者的命运。

    作为回应,您仅提供了一长串断言,这些断言可以从任何标准历史书中获取。

    恐怕你对自己的专业知识和可信度的看法似乎非常夸大,当你在别处一再声称毛大跃进造成的巨大死亡人数本质上是西方捏造的骗局时,这种看法几乎没有得到加强。

    你曾经发表过关于这些历史问题的书籍或文章吗? 如果没有,为什么有人要认真对待你的观点?

    • 同意: Pierre de Craon
  295. 给出中国死亡率评估的实际数据是我简单地从书中复制的,我注意到一些作者如何交叉授粉不同的数据来源,同时将其从早年切断。 正如我在那里所说的那样,《墓碑》一书在某些地方确实提供了《1986 年中国统计年鉴》中给出的 1957 年数据,但在断言 1960 年的死亡率时给出了来自不同来源的数据。第一个数字更可能是低估和第二个数字更接近事实,但交叉匹配它们会歪曲其含义。 你不必依赖我所说的任何事情。 只需拿起年鉴,然后拿起朱迪思·班尼斯特(Judith Banister),中国的人口变化,并验证我从这些书中取出的统计数据是否准确传达。

    随着二战的爆发,总是会回到占领捷克斯洛伐克导致波兰收紧对但泽的手而张伯伦被迫支持波兰人的问题。 其他一切都只是噪音。 人们可以指出罗斯福周围的犹太团体希望最终推翻第三帝国的例子。 但这与张伯伦为什么觉得他必须支持波兰或波兰决定不处理但泽的原因完全无关。 这就是问题所在,这就是希特勒对捷克斯洛伐克的占领具有决定性意义的地方。

    好吧,如果我早出生 20 年,那么我很可能已经将我花在教授数学上的时间更多地转化为学术生涯,并拥有一份出版简历。 经济在变化,人们学会了不同的生活方式。 我没有理由担心这一点。 但是,如果任何人承诺张伯伦声明支持波兰和波兰拒绝处理但泽(1939 年引发战争的两个决定性因素)是罗斯福策划的论文,那么任何人都将是在浪费时间。 有些事情不是真的。

  296. @Patrick McNally

    这一切都只是波什。 巴恩斯在《世界大战的起源》中的案例是基于无可置疑的既定事实。 已经无可辩驳了。 诸如此处的 PM 帖子之类的内容要么代表不熟悉这些事实、无法掌握它们,要么代表拒绝面对它们。 试图用胡言乱语来代替那些没有解决这些事实,而是忽视和逃避它们,并用大量转移注意力的胡言乱语抹去他们的考虑和讨论——这不言而喻,在任何熟悉案件事实的人眼中都让作者蒙羞——这就是暴风雪旨在阻止的。 这从表面上看是不光彩的。 并准确地反映了其作者。 名誉扫地。

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  297. @Ron Unz

    如果你仔细研究一下第一次世界大战的起源,你会发现当代“官方版本”中对历史事实的歪曲和伪造,至少与第二次世界大战的“官方版本”一样严重和极其欺诈。 如果你真的研究过它(我在 20 年前确实做过——这是我对奥威尔式谎言工厂现实的大开眼界),我建议你从这些开始:

    JT Walton Newbold,欧洲如何武装战争(1871-1914 年)(伦敦,黑衣修士会,1916 年)

    哈利·埃尔默·巴恩斯,《世界大战的起源》(1929 年,新版和修订版)

    Sidney B. Fay, The Origins of the World War (1928 - 这最初作为三篇文章出现在美国历史评论 1920-21))

    查尔斯·卡兰·坦西尔,美国参战(1938 年)

    马修·韦尔·库尔特 (Matthew Ware Coulter),1930 年代参议院弹药调查:超越死亡商人 (1997)

    科林·辛普森,《路西塔尼亚》(波士顿,1972 年)

    帕特里克·比斯利,40 室,英国海军情报 1914-18(伦敦,1982)

    帕特里克·奥沙利文,卢西塔尼亚:解开谜团(科克,1998 年)

    这篇文献篇幅庞大,而且完全是决定性的。 我上面提到了其他几部作品。 Tansill 的优势是在比赛后期写作,并且在 Gerald Nye 主持的参议院弹药调查(库尔特讨论过)曝光之后——它的证据和调查结果发表在 12 大卷国会记录中——所以 Tansill 服务(很好)作为讨论的总结,因为它涉及美国和美国进入。

    对于这个故事的美国方面来说,另一本重要的书是 HC 彼得森,《战争宣传:反对美国中立的运动》(1939)。 斯图尔特·哈尔西·罗斯 (Stewart Halsey Ross) 的《战争宣传:美国如何适应 1914-1918 年的大战》(杰斐逊,北卡罗来纳州,1996 年)在这个主题上也很有用。 彼得森后来的书《1917-1918 年战争的反对者》(麦迪逊,威斯康星大学,1957 年)重点关注威尔逊政府部署的庞大镇压机构,该机构关押了 20,000 名美国人。

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  298. Ron Unz 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell

    如果你真的研究它(我确实在 20 年前做过——这是我对奥威尔式谎言工厂现实的大开眼界)我建议你从这些开始

    由于您显然已经在该领域进行了大量阅读,我想知道您是否也阅读了 Fischer 的书,以及您对此有何看法。

  299. @J. Alfred Powell

    实际上,巴恩斯和其他一些像坦西尔这样的人误用了某些事实,有时会歪曲其含义,难以辨认。 他们无视希特勒明确指出但泽并不重要的文件,因为波兰的问题是关于居住空间的问题,并且他们反驳了关于解决但泽是希特勒的最终要求的说法。 这完全是荒谬的,尤其是因为希特勒在 1938 年说捷克斯洛伐克是他的最终要求。 然后他们试图暗示,如果罗斯福做了一些事情或其他不同的事情,波兰人可能会以某种方式接受关于但泽的协议,尽管记录显示希特勒对捷克斯洛伐克的占领已经说服波兰人不要在但泽问题上让步。

    当您查看他们在背景中引用的文档时,情况会变得更糟。 Jerzy Potocki 是波兰驻华盛顿大使,直到 1940 年和 29 年 1938 月 15 日至 1939 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日期间,他发表了许多尖刻的言论,大意是罗斯福是想要战争的犹太人的傀儡。 虽然这被引用为好像罗斯福对战争负责的证据,但它实际上证明了相反的情况。 波兰官员持有这种态度,人们可能想知道为什么他们从未与希特勒就但泽问题达成协议。 有时会暗示,罗斯福以某种方式阻止了他们达成这样的协议。 但这很愚蠢。 正是捷克斯洛伐克的占领使波兰人在但泽周围艰难地撤退了。 Potocki 的实际文件只表明罗斯福对波兰政府的影响力是多么的缺乏。

  300. 在 #306 中回复 Ron Unz:

    “德国的战争目标”,用菲舍尔的话说,是指德国的战争计划。 McNally 所指的“文件”源自一般员工的战略规划。 这与巴恩斯在《世界大战的起源》中调查的问题无关,该问题侧重于冲突事件的时间顺序和基本的外交安排,这些安排大多是秘密的,当布尔什维克在 1919 年出版沙皇的外交档案时,向所有相关人员的丑闻。 这就是促成了所谓的“修正主义历史”,在美国,巴恩斯和费伊。 这段历史是“修正主义的”,因为它修改了(主要是)英国公关人员炮制的事件的宣传版本——通过用无可置疑的证据来揭穿它们。 像麦克纳利这样的人所追求的那种话语本质上是对这些事实的转移和回避。 (顺便说一句,McNally 丝毫没有读过 Barnes 的迹象,更别提他的论点了。)

    要了解“战争计划”的实际意义,请从纽博尔德(上图)开始,他讨论了必须在所有方面进行的军事和工业经济计划才能使第一次世界大战发生,并且在他的表演中已经在 1914 年 XNUMX 月之前五年或更长时间,对所有参与者来说都是显而易见的。知识渊博的观察家,在事件发生五年之前,预计战争会在那个夏天开始。 它做到了。 如果这纯粹是德国所做的,它就不会发生。 Patty-cake 至少需要两个人才能玩。

    这种游戏中的所有国家都制定了战争计划。 美国海军在美西战争爆发前五年制定了他们最终执行的夺取马尼拉的计划。 1924 年,美国海军陆战队在加勒比地区进行了针对日本目标的两栖登陆训练。第一次世界大战前英国和法国(以及德国)的战争计划预计会在冲突的初期阶段侵犯比利时领土以调动军队。 只是结果,德国把他们打败了,然后英国和法国的宣传人员(后来在美国,也跟着他们的调子)跳来跳去,尖叫着大喊大叫,指着“越界!! 边路!!! 惩罚! 坏德国人”! (并传播制造的暴行故事)——好像那个“失误”以某种方式解释、解释并设定了评估条件——整个战争及其在过去十年各方面的工业动员——更不用说那十年了沙皇外交档案的曝光揭示了秘密外交。 (这些文件在国际上得到了各方学者和历史学家的热烈讨论,并以多种语言发表。巴恩斯和费伊是最早对事实、理性和真理负有责任感,并勇于探索的美国历史学家之一。行动——写历史而不是沙文主义的宣传。

    正如巴恩斯所证明的那样,作为一个不容置疑的证据,实际上是什么促使实际冲突成为“世界大战”,即多国冲突(区别于奥地利之间的局部两党冲突) ——匈牙利帝国及其顽固的附庸国塞尔维亚)——是俄罗斯军队在德国东部边境的动员。 工业战的条件是这样的,让一支军队真正进入入侵需要几天(以及多年的准备)——所以看到俄罗斯正在进行的动员让德国面临一个简单的选择:翻滚并被犁下,或者让你的反击行动起来。 德国做到了,并在此过程中执行了其战争计划,即如果遇到两线战争,首先进攻另一条战线。 所以他们做到了。

    凡尔赛条约的条款声称是基于德国独有的战争罪行——“是他们发起的。” 巴恩斯铁定的循证分析表明,事实上,在这些方面,沙皇,英国和法国的“盟友”(有许多秘密手稿)“开始了它”。 进一步的证据表明,他这样做是在特别是法国人的外交和通过法国投资者和银行对沙皇财务行使的强大权力的敦促和提示下进行的——持有他的大量国家债券,并在俄罗斯工业和参与方面进行了重大投资在俄罗斯金融等洛萨拉。

    Fischer 的主题,德国的战争计划和战争目标,如 1914 年 XNUMX 月之前所写的那样,反映了他们在一个有军事意识的军官外交集团中的背景,该集团受到渴望权力的工业和金融利益以及一个光荣的德皇的推动。 英国和法国的战争计划也完全一样。 而在这三者背后,是不那么显眼的工业、贸易和金融国际网络——以及武器贸易(“死亡商人”)——如果没有密切和勤奋的合作,五年动员是不可能的。

    正是在这一点上,我们开始谈论实际的历史进程和现实——与“战争计划”和“战争罪行”的纯粹假设领域形成对比——此外,似乎德国是唯一拥有它们的国家。

    凡尔赛条约的关键分析——以及开始基于现实考虑一战事实的好地方——是托尔斯坦·凡勃伦对凯恩斯 1920 年著作《和平的经济后果》的评论——该书出现首先在政治科学季刊,卷。 35(1920 年 1934 月),并在由 Leon Ardzrooni 编辑的凡勃伦期刊出版物的死后精选中重印,我们不断变化的秩序中的论文(1964 年 462 年)第 470 页。 XNUMX-XNUMX。

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
    • 谢谢: Yevardian
  301. Ron Unz 说:
    @J. Alfred Powell

    谢谢。 虽然我不熟悉某些细节,但您的总体概述与我对第一次世界大战起源的印象非常接近。

    凡尔赛条约的关键分析——以及开始基于现实考虑一战事实的好地方——是托尔斯坦·凡勃伦对凯恩斯 1920 年著作《和平的经济后果》的评论——该书出现首先在政治科学季刊,卷。 35 (1920 年 XNUMX 月)

    它在我的内容归档系统中很方便,所以我阅读了它:

    https://www.unz.com/print/PoliticalScienceQ-1920sep-00467/

    然而,我没有发现它特别有用,因为主要关注点似乎是遏制布尔什维克主义。

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  302. @Ron Unz

    是谁在进行遏制,为什么以及如何揭示,以及条约的条款是为谁的利益而写的,以及他们如何构思利益和设想其运作等。凡勃伦的文章的使用——他的典型用途——是剥离分析对象没有欺骗性的用具。 如果“我们的”社会经济政治安排的赤裸裸的真相看起来像一只拔毛鸭,那不是他的错。

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  303. @J. Alfred Powell

    我应该提到法国人想与德国开战,为 40 年前在普法战争(1870 年)中被德国击败而复仇——法国发动了这场战争,但很快就失败了。 英国想与德国开战,既要挫败德国作为其世界商业帝国崛起最快的竞争对手,又要追求她的“均势”外交政策,该政策是由托马斯·克伦威尔在 1500 年代初为亨利八世发明的。英国对欧洲大陆的适当外交政策是与其他国家结成联盟,联合最大的国家——防止最大的国家变得更大。

    然而,这个主题的另一个方面与欧洲战争的原因和进行问题——对美国人来说是一个更重要的时刻——完全不同,即美国人如何被拖入参与其中,以及通过什么手段,由谁,以及为什么。

    为此,首先查看 Tansill 的书和 Peterson 的两本书,以及 Ross 和 Coulter 对奈委员会证据的讨论。 库尔特对委员会调查结果的陈述低调但忠实。 他很清楚地陈述了事实,但他没有深入探讨或过多讨论它们的重要性和含义。 委员会报告的 12 卷包含在拥有国会记录副本的图书馆中,是丑闻和悲伤的宝库。 献给真正的爱国者。 那些已经灭绝的生物。

    1966 年,哥伦比亚广播公司决定,不再直播富布赖特参议员关于越南的外交关系委员会听证会,而是重新播放“我爱露西”。 CBS 新闻负责人 Fred Friendly 辞职。

    从那时起,我们已经走了很长一段路,宝贝。

  304. 对哈利·埃尔默·巴恩斯的敌意不仅仅源于他在《世界大战的创世纪》中对第一次世界大战的实际原因序列的揭示。 1947 年左右,当时美国杰出的美国历史学家查尔斯·比尔德 (Charles Beard) 写了一封信,《星期六晚邮报》发表,指出并反对军事机构和杜鲁门政府、他们的支持者和他们的学术仆从密谋将政府对刚刚结束的战争的文献记录的学术访问限制在极少数经过精心挑选的学术历史学家,因为他们坚持官方观点(其本身主要是罗斯福战争信息办公室的创建)。 在这些精选的官方历史学家中,最著名的是(中央情报局,后来的)哈佛教授威廉·兰格,他继续撰写了最受吹捧的官方历史摘要,并成为其正统观念的关键执行者。

    在比尔德的提醒下,美国历史学家大惊小怪,以至于相关权力同意允许一些与政府官方路线没有公开联系的其他历史学家接触。 查尔斯·坦西尔 (Charles Tansill) 是他所在领域的杰出人物,弗雷德里克·罗克韦尔·桑伯恩 (Frederic Rockwell Sanborn) 是另一位——两人都出版了重要的书籍——这些书籍被美国学术机构史学默默地出版并被官方遗忘。

    之所以发生这种情况,是因为有能力做到这一点的人得出的结论是,让二战后的美国发生与第一次之后发生的事情相同的事情是不明智的——也就是说,战争现实的事实曝光带来了由所谓的“修正主义历史学家”——他们在 20 和 30 年代的作品被广泛阅读、广泛传播、广受欢迎、广泛接受、尊重和赞扬,出现在数十本书籍和主流期刊——读者文摘等杂志上和美国水星以及国家和学术期刊之类的。 它的书卖得很好; 有些成为畅销书。 死亡商人是一个特别突出的例子。 这段历史出版的最终结果是 20 年代和 30 年代绝大多数美国人坚信中立、不干涉、军备限制和裁军、国际仲裁、和平。

    相应地,为了防止人民中这种倾向于阻碍大都会帝国计划的情绪的改革,迅速在第二次世界大战结束时,洛克菲勒基金会在企业中占主导地位(以及其他不那么显眼的),资金和影响力在高校、出版、报刊上,鼓励制作、出版和宣传发表官方意见的账目,坚决劝阻他人。 结果是,虽然真实的事实陈述确实出现了,但它们往往被模糊地发表,很少受到学院学术机构权威以及出版商、编辑和新闻出版商的审查和贬低。这场运动总体上非常有效。

    在 50 年代初,哈里·埃尔默·巴恩斯 (Harry Elmer Barnes) 与查尔斯·比尔德 (Charles Beard) 和查尔斯·坦西尔 (Charles Tansill) 一样,都是历史学家中备受尊敬的资深人物,他认识许多历史学家的同事,他们都在努力提供事实陈述,并且从数十年的经验中了解他们所面临的障碍,出版了一系列小册子和小册子,讲述了这种新兴的史学和压制它的运动。 Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace 和 The Struggle Against The Historical Blackout 是两个最著名的游戏。 (它们还包括对 AJP Taylor、William Langer、David Hoggan 和其他人的重要评论。)这些著作于 1972 年由 Arno Press 收集并重新出版,作为 Seleted Revisionist Phamplets。

    这就是为什么哈里·埃尔默·巴恩斯(Harry Elmer Barnes)——他在 1940 年在他的领域受到高度尊重(如查尔斯·比尔德)——现在被认为是一个非常非常坏的人——在与他的工作所体现的价值观不同的人中。

  305. 第一次世界大战的美国“修正主义历史学家”的文学作品跨越 20 年(1919-1939 年),包括数十本书籍和数百篇期刊文章。 它被广泛出版、流行、广泛接受并在广大美国人民中具有影响力。 这些历史学家的重要出版物包括:

    哈佛大学教授 Sidney B. Fay,“关于世界大战(第一、第二和第三次)起源的新观点,美国历史评论(1920 年 1921 月和 XNUMX 月,XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月)——七年后收集、发展和扩展为:

    Sidney B. Fay,《世界大战的起源》(纽约,1928 年):

    约翰·肯尼斯·特纳 (John Kenneth Turner),它还会再来吗 (BW Huebsch, NY 1922)。 对未经修饰的事实进行有力的早期陈述。

    Harry E. Barnes,《世界大战的起源》(纽约,伦敦,克诺夫出版社,1927 年,新版和修订版。1929 年)

    C. Hartley Grattan,我们为何而战(纽约,先锋出版社,1929 年)。

    MH Cochran,德国 1914 年无罪 (1931)

    HC Englebrecht 和 FC Hanighen,《死亡商人》,国际军备工业研究(纽约,多德,米德公司,1934 年)。

    沃尔特·米利斯,《战争之路,美国 1914-1917》(波士顿,霍顿·米夫林,1935 年)。

    查尔斯·卡兰·坦西尔 (Charles Callan Tansill),《美国参战》(波士顿,Little、Brown 和公司,1938 年)

    Matthew Ware Coulter,1930 年代参议院弹药调查:超越死亡商人(格林伍德出版社,美国历史的贡献,第 177 期,康涅狄格州韦斯特波特,1997 年)。

    H[orace].C[ornelius]。 彼得森,战争宣传:反对美国中立的运动,1914-1917 年(俄克拉荷马大学诺曼分校,1939 年)

    HC 彼得森,《1917-1918 年战争的反对者》(威斯康星大学麦迪逊分校,1957 年)。

    这些后来的书有用地证实并扩展了彼得森的讨论:

    斯图尔特·哈尔西·罗斯,战争宣传:美国如何适应 1914-1918 年的大战(杰斐逊,北卡罗来纳州,麦克法兰公司,1996 年);

    William H. Thomas, Jr., Unsafe for Democracy: World War I and the US Justice Department's 秘密运动镇压异议 (Madison, University of Wisconsin, 2008)。

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    第二次世界大战的修订历史受到了更多的限制,并且在它出现时出现和诽谤的速度要慢得多。 三个与美国进入方式有关的关键文本很早就出版了:

    查尔斯·比尔德,罗斯福总统与战争的到来,1941 年; 对表象和现实的研究。 (纽黑文,耶鲁大学出版社,1948 年。)

    Frederic Rockwell Sanborn,《战争设计:秘密强权政治研究》,1937-1941 年(纽约,德文-亚代尔,1951 年)。

    Charles Tansill,战争后门:罗斯福外交政策 1933-1941(Regnery,芝加哥,1952)

    大多数人的到来速度较慢。 四本重要的分水岭书籍是:

    AJP Taylor,第二次世界大战的起源(伦敦,汉密尔顿·哈米什,1961 年)

    David L. Hoggan, The Forced War: When Peaceful Revision Fail (Costa Mesa, Institute for Historical Review, 1989)——1961 年以德文出版,但在英文版中被屏蔽了 18 年——这是一个很好的证明。 (尽管通常的谩骂者会气喘吁吁地谩骂,但其中没有“反犹太主义”一词。)

    Robert B. Stinnett, Day of Deceit: The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor (New York, Free Press, 2000)。 “阴谋论”,据官方消息来源称——尽管有 70 页的文件证据在复制(被忽略)。

    Viktor Suvorov,罪魁祸首:斯大林发动第二次世界大战的宏伟计划(密苏里州安纳波利斯,海军学院出版社,2008 年)。 刚刚开始受到学术等级和档案的关注。

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  306. @J. Alfred Powell

    31 年 1914 月 XNUMX 日俄罗斯军队的动员决定战争现在爆发,这当然从来都不是问题。 但俄罗斯军队之所以出动,只是因为塞尔维亚遭到了奥地利的袭击,并得到了德国的明确支持。 德皇决定让奥地利对塞尔维亚开战,这决定了战争的最终结果。 Fischer 经历了这一切,并没有声称威廉二世打算自己发动战争。 更普遍意义上的德国目标问题之所以出现,是因为德国的辩护者试图淡化德皇支持奥地利对塞尔维亚战争的重要性,并使后者听起来仅仅是威廉二世的防御措施。 显然不是,尽管最终爆发的战争比德皇计划的要大得多。

    但盟军中肯定没有人计划在 1914 年初发动战争。尽管巴恩斯戏剧性地试图暗示法国和俄罗斯一直在计划对德国发动战争,但零证据表明他们在 1914 年考虑过这样的战争直到奥地利开始进攻塞尔维亚之后。 是威廉二世通过支持奥地利来放松这一点。

  307. @J. Alfred Powell

    顺便说一下,值得一提的是约翰·霍恩 (John Horne) 和艾伦·克莱默 (Alan Kramer) 合着的《1914 年德国暴行:否认的历史》一书。 这重申了德皇军队在穿越该国的过程中屠杀了数千名比利时人。 这不是一场反叛乱运动,而只是一场蓄意的恐怖浪潮,据信这会促进胜利。 在战争期间,关于德国暴行的真实报道很容易与宣传膨胀混合在一起。 但是对巴恩斯的一个重要批评必须是他完全没有想确定对德国暴行的诚实估计。

    我还注意到上面的“31 月 31 日”的拼写错误,当时我的意思是“1 月 1939 日”,然后是战争开始时的“1914 月 XNUMX 日”。 凯撒辩护者驳斥费舍尔发现的内容的有趣之处在于,我们知道,如果有人发现 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月的一份文件,其中丘吉尔、罗斯福和斯大林正在签署一项以最终发生的方式瓜分德国的计划,那么这将人们在屋顶上大喊大叫,声称希特勒别无选择,只能先入侵捷克斯洛伐克,然后是波兰。 但是当 Fischer 在 XNUMX 年为德国展示了类似的东西时,整个事情就被悄悄地埋葬了。

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  308. @Patrick McNally

    你写:

    “……德皇军队在穿越该国的过程中屠杀了数千名比利时人”。

    是的。 就像被彻底揭穿的英国宣传一样,德国士兵正在切断比利时儿童的手。

    事实是,在第一次世界大战前一年,德皇威廉二世被普遍称为“和平缔造者”。 威廉寻求一切机会来缓和大国之间的紧张局势。

    第一次世界大战的责任牢牢掌握在英国和法国手中(尤其是前者,其犹太复国主义银行卡特尔是主要策划者,并有望从中获益)。

    • 回复: @Patrick McNally
  309. @Truth Vigilante

    一些媒体版本在报道中可能夸大其词,但历史学家普遍认为,德国人在全国游行中屠杀了大约 6.500 名比利时平民。 这就是为什么我引用了 Horne 和 Kramer 的书《1914 年德国暴行:否认的历史》。 这些不是毒气室故事,而是更简单的经典恐吓平民故事。

    • 回复: @J. Alfred Powell
  310. @Patrick McNally

    1914 年东线德军伤亡人数是多少? 并引用您的来源。

  311. Rere 说:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    您可能在 Michele Metta 的作品中读到了这一点,他在 2021 年出版了一本关于摩萨德、P2 和某些共济会通过密谋暗杀肯尼迪的世界兄弟会公司的新书。 他提到了伞人。 许多人讨厌肯尼迪家族,不仅仅是犹太复国主义的犹太人,尽管他们绝对厌恶这个家庭,这可能就是为什么他在以色列的纪念碑看起来像一棵被砍倒的树。

    我想问一下; 你关于肯尼迪的新书——我想我会为我父亲订购的——它是否考虑到了你写的关于肯尼迪和 RFK 的所有新材料?

  312. Rere 说:
    @Anon

    >>>GHW Bush 也帮助了第三帝国,但他们没有杀了他的孩子,他们甚至没有让他的孩子绕道去玛莎葡萄园岛喝酒。 甚至在罂粟花再次以美国总统的身份惹恼了伊兹之后。 为什么不?

    真的; 然而,人们对摩萨德计划暗杀赫伯特沃克表示悔恨,因为他希望因定居点建设而拒绝向以色列提供资金。 布什家族是石油寡头,尽管人们很想责怪他们,而且只怪他们说 9/11,当时的罪犯是第 5 纵队的利库德派、新保守派和分门别类的中央情报局; 忽视这些其他玩家是不公平的。 看,博弈论就是世界舞台的运行方式。 你有钱? 你买人。 有钱能使鬼推磨。 肯尼迪受到许多不同群体的憎恨:犹太复国主义者、利库德尼克派、以色列政府狂热分子、摩萨德、支持干预主义者、非常规战争的中央情报局、新教徒、P2 分会成员、共济会大师、德克萨斯石油大亨、钢铁大亨等。

    >>>Guyenot 有一个技巧,他一遍又一遍地尝试。 摩萨德和中央情报局之间没有白昼,他们是 Chang-and-Eng 连体双胞胎。 因此,Guyenot 只关注以色列,而忽略了中央情报局。 没有客观的研究人员会这样做。

    错误的。 CIA 由总统任命,即美国公司的执行官。 肯尼迪想将非常规战争的亲以色列犹太复国主义者(主要是共济会的中央情报局)分裂成一千个碎片。 他选择任命谁。 这就是为什么犹太复国主义者、中央情报局特工和新教徒吉格里奥蒂希望中央情报局局长史密斯被解雇的原因。 Gigliotti 相信肯尼迪会任命退伍军人进入中央情报局的行列,并使其成为低级退休人员的狂热分子。 Gigliotti 然后是由 p2 分会成员、犹太复国主义者、世界兄弟会成员的石匠签署的反肯尼迪协议的主持/信使,其中包括许多非常规战争类型的中央情报局特工。

    如果洛朗明白中央情报局是美国公司的一个部门。 那么谁是美国公司的 EO 将控制中央情报局的结果。 肯尼迪想要任命许多中央情报局成员,但这不是缓和非常规和干预主义的中央情报局想要的官员类型。

    • 回复: @Truth Vigilante
  313. @Rere

    你写了:

    摩萨德和中央情报局之间没有白天……Guyenot 盯着以色列而忽视中央情报局。 没有客观的研究人员这样做。

    盖耶诺 (Guyenot) 对中央情报局 (CIA) 过分着迷是正确的——因为他们只是暗杀肯尼迪的“雇工”同谋。

    让我们面对现实吧,以色列国不过是由犹太复国主义主导的银行家高利贷卡特尔(或者,我喜欢称之为 Zio-cabal)的“建构”。

    以色列是罪犯(Zio-cabal)的最后避难所,他们拥有并控制着整个西方金融体系。 如果犯罪分子因渎职而被驱逐出东道国,他们可以随时前往以色列。 (即:他们被揭露为 9/11 和其他虚假标志、肯尼迪、RFK、马尔科姆 X、MLK Jr、JFK Jr、James Forrestal 和无数其他人的谋杀案的肇事者)。

    是的,我不同意摩萨德和中央情报局之间没有白天(以及英国军情六处)。
    所有这些机构都负有责任并接受 Zio-cabal 的命令(这个阴谋集团至少拥有数倍于美国 GDP 的资金。除此之外,这个私人卡特尔拥有美联储、中央银行英格兰拥有或控制欧洲央行等等。因此,他们可以通过数字方式创建/打印数万亿美元/欧元/英镑等,并将其分发给他们的犹太复国主义亲信——正如他们一段时间以来一直在快乐地做的那样。

    您还写道:

    '如果洛朗明白中央情报局是美国公司的一个部门。 那么谁是美国公司的 EO 将控制中央情报局的结果。

    请理解“美国公司”、“英国公司”和“西欧公司”等等,都归 Zio-cabal 所有。

    他们拥有西方世界的每一位知名政客——因此他们有能力通过封锁、强制戴面具、摧毁中产阶级和小企业等方式对 Covid 心理战做出同步反应。
    说 Zio-cabal 也拥有西方世界的 MSM 的全部,因此他们可以控制叙事并维持关于 Covid 的恐吓和夸大,并说服轻信的群众这是一场存在危机,而实际上 Covid 已不再具有致命性比季节性流感。

  314. 回复:肯尼迪和本-古里安的以色列导弹危机。

    肯尼迪“古巴导弹危机”的基础背景。

    首相先生生日快乐。

    ***

    [更多]

    古巴导弹危机
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

    16 年 29 月 1962 日至 XNUMX 日

    *

    古巴导弹危机时间表

    http://nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/cold-war/cuban-missile-crisis/timeline.htm

    14年1962月 XNUMX日

    清晨:一架 U-2 飞机从南向北飞越古巴西部。 由理查德·海瑟少校驾驶的侦察任务是战略空军司令部 (SAC) 任务从中央情报局移交给空军后的第一个任务。 任务获得的照片提供了古巴存在MRBM 站点的第一个确凿证据。 (邦迪,第 301 页)

    15年1962月 XNUMX日

    上午:华盛顿国家摄影解释中心 (NPIC) 的快速读出小组分析了理查德·海瑟 (Richard Heyser) 的 U-2 任务拍摄的照片。 下午晚些时候,其中一个小组在圣克里斯托瓦尔的一个油田发现了显示苏联 MRBM 主要部件的照片。 对白天的侦察照片的分析还确定了古巴剩余的 28 个地对空导弹站点中的一个,但只有一个站点除外。 圣胡利安机场的其他照片显示 IL-1962 轻型轰炸机正在拆箱。 (苏联集团武装部队和古巴危机:6 年 18 月至 63 月的年表,40 年 89 月 110 日,第 XNUMX 页;克莱因,第 XNUMX 页;普拉多斯,第 XNUMX 页)

    [...]

    晚上:肯尼迪政府的主要官员在华盛顿被追查,并听取了有关导弹发现的简报。 国家安全顾问 McGeorge Bundy 收到 Ray Cline 的消息,决定等到早上通知肯尼迪总统。 邦迪后来表示,他选择等待是因为不可能在早上之前准备演示信息,而且他担心晚上匆忙召集会议会危及保密。 (解释为什么 McGeorge Bundy 直到 16 月 3 日上午才将古巴导弹告知肯尼迪总统,4/63/90;Cline,第 91-XNUMX 页)

    [...]

    16年1962月 XNUMX日

    上午 8 点 45 分:麦乔治·邦迪通知肯尼迪总统,已经获得了“确凿的照片证据”,显示了苏联在古巴的中程弹道导弹。 […]

    ***

    就这样开始了。

    在本-古里安 (Ben-Gurion) 诞辰 76 周年之际。

    现实政治翻译 :

    总统先生,不要担心以色列的导弹。

    你现在有一些共产主义导弹需要担心,就在你自己的后院……

    首相先生生日快乐。

    MG

  315. @Laurent Guyénot

    洛朗

    我关于 kabbalistic 事件调度的论文的背景在这里:

    https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/introduction.html

    回复:肯尼迪和列维·埃什科尔……

    对于如此重要​​的一首歌曲,签名需要深埋,但如果有人知道如何看,它们就在那里……

    质数序列号 PSN 或质数序数
    https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/prime_sequence_numbers_or_prime_ordinals.html

    肯尼迪和列维·埃什科尔
    https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/assassination_potus_jfk3_levi_eshkol_born.html

    Mickey Cohen 和 RFK 怎么样?

    事件关系:

    [更多]

    出自有组织犯罪:米奇·科恩 (Mickey Cohen) 出生于 4 年 1913 月 XNUMX 日

    5 年 1968 月 XNUMX 日被暗杀的参议员罗伯特 F 肯尼迪是:

    = 6666 + 6666 + 6666 天

    https://www.whataboutthewhen.com/assassination_rfk_mickey_cohen_born.html

    原因和投诉、签名和指纹、留下痕迹的罪犯……

    c'est kabbalistique, n'est-ce pas ?

    MG

  316. @J. Alfred Powell

    对不起,“粗鄙”的草率错误归因 - 您的作品清楚地表明是欧文的。 他是否表明他是否、在哪里或如何获得回忆录? 我读过丘吉尔出版的两卷宏伟的著作,但并不拥有它们——而且它们很难获得,最后一卷显然已被英国当局最终压制,对历史缪斯卡利奥佩进行了卑鄙的打击。

    大卫欧文的丘吉尔战争第 1 卷 Power PDF 的斗争在这里:
    http://fpp.co.uk/books/Churchill/1/index.html

    “粗鄙”的引文在第 221 页

    MG

  317. @Patrick McNally

    您与 Mevashir 的长期交流非常有趣,感谢您的努力。

    如果波兰政府在但泽“屈服”,它就会消除入侵他们国家的主要借口。 与捷克斯洛伐克不同,没有涉及特定的地理环境,除非您的意思是通过但泽港“进入波罗的海”。 波西米亚和摩拉维亚的土地没有苏台德地区就毫无防御能力,波兰几乎没有注意到引起如此多恐慌的狭窄走廊。

    另一个借口是在波兰对德国平民的可怕待遇。 即使夸大其词,也足以引发战争。 这种模式在 1920 年至 1950 年的不同时期在整个东欧复制。

    为德国调整边界并不一定会破坏波兰的独立,但认为波兰在某种程度上与德国“平等”的想法是完全愚蠢的。 他们根本不相等:20 万波兰人和 10 万其他人,相当于欧洲的 100 亿德国人。 德国的历史更古老、更发达,他们的国家的智慧和能力是其 100 倍。 波兰人大多是几乎摆脱封建制度的贫苦农民。

    “北约联盟”将有 包括 波兰和北约一样,也是征服次等盟国的手段。 我看不出波兰人从中得到了什么,关键是,与德国结盟是他们最好的选择。 即使西方的情况有所不同,苏联仍将占领白俄罗斯和波兰加利西亚的其余地区。 波兰军队将被击败,即使德国人再次陷入法国的困境。

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