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Kiev and its Western backers immediately blamed Russia for the incident, but a proper investigation is likely to disagree
In a conflict where accusations of wrongdoing fly back and forth between Russia and Ukraine on a daily basis, when it comes to the missile 攻击 on the Kramatorsk train station that occurred at 10:30am on April 8, 2022, both sides are in rare agreement – the missile used was a Tochka-U, a Soviet-era weapon known in the West by its NATO reporting name as the SS-21 Scarab, and in the former Soviet republics that use the weapon by its GRAU designation, 9K79.
Beyond that one technical piece of information, however, any semblance of unanimity regarding the narrative surrounding how that missile came to strike a bustling railway station, killing and wounding dozens of civilians desperately trying to evacuate from eastern Ukraine in anticipation of a large-scale Russian offensive, collapses, with each side blaming the other. Making this tragedy even more bizarre, the Russian words Za Detei – “for the children” – had been hand-painted on the missile in white.
The Tochka made its appearance in the Soviet military in 1975. A single-stage, solid-fuel tactical ballistic missile, the Tochka was assembled at the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant before being delivered to the Soviet Army, where it was further disseminated to the various units equipped with the system. An improved version of the Tochka, known as the Tochka-U (Uluchshenny或 “improved”) was introduced in 1989; the improvements included increased range and accuracy.
The Tochka-U operates as a simple inertially-guided ballistic missile. Simply put, the operators, working from a known location, orient the launcher in the direction of their target, and then calculate the distance between the point of launch and point of impact. The solid-fuel engine of the Tochka-U burns for 28 seconds, meaning that the range of the missile isn’t determined by engine burn-time alone, but rather the angle that the missile was launched – the more vertical the missile at time of launch, the shorter its range will be.
Because the missile burns to depletion, once the engine shuts down, the missile will cease its pure ballistic trajectory, and instead assume a near-vertical posture as it heads toward its target. The warhead is released at a designated point above the target. In the case of the Kramatorsk attack, the Tochka-U was equipped with the 9N123K cluster warhead, containing fifty submunitions, each of which has the effect of a single hand grenade in terms of explosive and lethal impact.
The flight characteristics of the Tochka-U result in a debris pattern which has the cluster munitions impacting on the ground first, followed by the depleted booster, which hits the earth some distance behind the impact of the warhead. This creates a tell-tale signature, so to speak, of the direction from where the missile was launched, which can be crudely calculated by shooting a reverse azimuth from the point of impact of the warhead through the booster.
It is this physical reality which provides the first real clue as to who fired the Tochka-U that hit Kramatorsk. The relationship of the booster when it came to earth, when assessed to the impact zone of the cluster munitions, provides a reverse azimuth which, even when factoring in a generous margin of error for potential drift, points to territory that was under the excusive control of the Ukrainian government, which means that there is little doubt that the missile that struck the Kramatorsk train station was fired by a launcher under the operational control of the 19th Missile Brigade, Ukraine’s only Tochka-U-equipped unit. More specifically, a forensic evaluation of the missile debris clearly shows that it was launched by the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, based near Dobropolia, some 45 kilometers from Kramatorsk.
The 19th Missile Brigade is considered a strategic asset, meaning that it responds directly to the orders of the Ukrainian Ground Forces Command. In short, if the missile was, as it appears, fired by the 19th Missile Brigade, it was doing so based on orders given from high up the chain of command. The launch was no accident.
For its part, the Ukrainian government has attempted to flip the script, blaming Russia for an attack using a missile which Russia is on record as having retired from service in 2019. To back up this assertion, the Ukrainian government has noted that Tochka-U launchers were seen participating in joint military training exercises involving Russian and Belarus forces on Belarusian soil in February 2022, on the eve of Russia’s special military operation commencing against Ukraine.
这是 according to Ambassador Evgeny Tsimbaliuk, the Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the International Organizations in Vienna, while addressing a special meeting of the OSCE Permanent Council about the attack.
The US backed up the Ukrainian allegation, with its Department of Defense announcing during a closed-door briefing to journalists that Russia had at first announced the missile strike against Kramatorsk, only to retract it once the announcement about civilian casualties was made.
The problem with both the Kiev and Washington claims is that neither is backed up by anything that remotely resembles solid evidence. The television images referred – to by the Ukrainians showed Belarusian Tochka-U launchers, not Russian ones, and the “claims” cited by the US referred to the private Telegram accounts of persons having no affiliation with the Russian government or military.
There is no question that both Russia and the US are sitting on de facto proof of where the Tochka missile was fired. The US has deployed in the region a variety of intelligence-collection platforms which would have detected the location of the missile at the time of launch, and would also have tracked the ballistic trajectory of the missile as it flew toward its target. Likewise, Russia has deployed numerous advanced surface-to-air missile defense systems, including the advanced S-400, which would have tracked the flight of the missile from launch to impact.
The fact that the US has not declassified this data to replicate a Cuban missile crisis-like moment at the UN to demonstrate to the world the scope and scale of a Russan lie strongly suggests that the Russians are not, in fact, lying. Moreover, Russia’s failure to do the same to reinforce its contention that Ukraine fired the missile points to the reality that any Russian radar is operating as part of an active military action zone, and as such Russia would be loath to publish data that could provide Ukraine with a tactical edge on the battlefield.
There is, however, one piece of evidence which proves without a doubt who owned the Tochka-U missile in question that was fired on Kramatorsk, the release of which would not compromise the security interests of the providing nation. Painted onto the booster of the missile, in black, is a unique serial number assigned to the Tochka-U at the time of production (in the Cyrillic alphabet, Ш91579, or Sh91579 in the Latin alphabet.) This serial number was assigned to it at the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant and represents the unique identifying mark for the missile that follows it through its military life cycle.
The use of the production serial number as a unique identifier has been used by the United Nations in Iraq as part of a series of intrusive forensic investigations into the accounting of Iraq’s SCUD missile inventory. The UN used these numbers to track the arrival of Soviet-made SCUD missiles into Iraq, and to account for their final disposition, whether it be through unilateral destruction at the hands of the Iraqis, during training, during maintenance, or during combat operations. The procedures used by the Iraqis for tracking and accounting for its SCUD missiles was derived from official Soviet procedures for the same, and therefore mirror those used by the Ukrainian government.
The serial number of the Tochka-U shows that it was produced in 1991, during the time of Soviet authority. At that time, when a Tochka-U was fully assembled at the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant, it belonged to the Ministry of Defense Industry. The missile would be shipped by rail from the Votkinsk Machine Building Plant to a receiving point, where the Soviet military would take possession of the missile and formally absorb it into its inventory. Each missile is accompanied by a document known as a “passport,” which records every transaction associated with the missile in question. The missile would either be assigned to an operational unit or to a storage unit – again, details that would be recorded in the missile passport.
Each missile had a life span of ten years, after which the manufacturer’s warranty, so to speak, was no longer valid. That meant that a missile produced in 1991 would, under normal circumstances, be retired by 2001. However, the Russian military has often extended the operational lifetime of missiles such as the Tochka-U by implementing inspection procedures designed to extend the lifecycle of the missile. Each such inspection would be recorded in the passport, as would all operational deployments or field exercises where the missile was subjected to handling and movement.
Before a missile is fired, it is formally removed from the owning unit’s inventory, and orders are issued authorizing its use by the Ukrainian General Staff which include the serial number in question. When the missile is launched, the missile passport is closed out, and included with the other paperwork associated with the expenditure of the missile. The missile serial number is recorded at each step.
The Russian military should have in its archives documentation which lists the Tochka-U missiles officially turned over to Ukraine when the Soviet Union collapsed. Likewise, the Ukrainian military should have documents which record the missiles being absorbed into the Ukrainian armed forces. In either case, there exists undisputed records of ownership. Russia could end the discussion of who owned the missile in question simply by providing document-based evidence proving missile ownership (i.e., the transfer of ownership from the Soviet Union to Ukraine.) Likewise, Ukraine could do the same simply by providing a copy of the documentation surrounding its receipt of all Tochka-U missiles from Soviet authority, thereby enabling – if the Ukrainian version is to be believed – that it never possessed the missile in question.
Ukraine’s embattled President Volodymyr Zelensky 已经宣布 that the missile strike on Kramatorsk “must be one of the charges at the tribunal” he envisages at the International Criminal Court. “Like the massacre in Bucha, like many other Russian war crimes.”
Zelensky might want to be careful about what he wishes for. Any serious investigation into the Kramatorsk train station bombing will include an inquiry into the missile involved, and questions of ownership in which the missile serial number inscribed on the booster will play a leading role. If this is indeed the case – and the available evidence strongly suggests that it is – then it will be Zelensky and his leadership on the docket for the crime of slaughtering the very civilians whose lives he claims to be protecting.
Scott Ritter is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer and author of ‘SCORPION KING: America’s Suicidal Embrace of Nuclear Weapons from FDR to Trump.’ He served in the Soviet Union as an inspector implementing the INF Treaty, in General Schwarzkopf’s staff during the Gulf War, and from 1991-1998 as a UN weapons inspector.
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Scott Ritter 在 UR 中的第一篇文章！ 谢谢你，Unz 先生！
任何严肃的调查……除非“严肃”的调查是由荷兰人领导的。
同意。
请要求 Ritter 先生提供 RF 第二阶段的持续报道。
还有他对北约可能的反应和第三次世界大战触发因素的观察。
我承认上述情况可能不太可能，但没有人预测到 2014 年 XNUMX 月第一次世界大战的爆发。
二战在欧洲的爆发也是出乎意料的，虽然美国对 7 年 1941 月 XNUMX 日的事件有所预警，但他们也声称完全出乎意料。
Interesting technical information. How good do you think the Ukie paperwork really is? Lol. These scammers are clearly selling the gear to make profit and have been for years. The weapons sent to the Zelenskyy Boys have been auctioned away.
More important. Looks like the Russians are pouring troops in the direction of Lyman, from the northern area Of the Luhansk Oblast, Lyman is now a strategic junction between the Ukrainian prepared fortifications in Sverodonetsk and Kramatorsk. There’s a bridge of Ukie Airborne getting annihilated between Izyum and Torske,
There’s also a break in the Ukrainian line in Popyansksomethingorother (sp) three or four Ukrainian brigades look like they are getting trapped in those bunkers and trenches in the next few days with fresh supply cut off.
Barinkove looks like it’ll be flattened soon.
All this leads up to Kramatorsk which is clearly going to be under direct siege soon. Two weeks one week? The Russians are moving rapidly again. The Ukies tried to replicate Manstein and Kleist in a forlorn breakout from Kharkov.
Missile in a train station? Pffffttt
I thought it would start once Biden was elected. 不过，预计 2021 年皇家海军对塞瓦斯托波尔的袭击将是它的开始。 但那场海盗表演确实说服了普京无论如何准备入侵乌克兰。 所以我们可以说，一旦皇家海军将克里米亚著名的港口夷为平地，这是可以预见的。 那时普京知道他必须投入军队来保护克里米亚并击败乌克兰野战军。 除了英国国防部，其规模几乎震惊了所有人。 我不得不承认，与英国报纸和美国当局不同，他们提供了很好的信息。
As I recollect the Russians provided documentation showing that the BUK missile which shot down MH-17 had been allocated to an Ukrainian unit and thus was not theirs. This documentation was written in pencil which is perhaps normal in Russia but seemed to leave somewhat of a credibility gap in my mind. Nonetheless, this documentation was studiously ignored by all and sundry. Perhaps therefore they feel that producing any documentation about the Tochka missile is only going to produce cries of ‘fake’ ‘fake’ and so they do not bother.
A professional and accurate explanation, and composed in a competent tone, articulate and coherent.
But a little late.
There is no such thing as a “serious investigation” by the West. It’s all propaganda.
分离主义者可能确实将其击落，但是，他们可能瞄准了其他地方。
Zelensky has allowed his soldiers to be butchered in senseless, already lost battles like that in Mariupol. He doesn’t appear to care about his men at all, ordering them not to surrender, putting them in untenable situations against a much better armed force. The battle in the East is far from over, but all indications are that the Ukrainians will suffer a horrible defeat. Why those troops weren’t moved to more defensible positions further to the West makes no sense . I might be missing something, but it looks like a lot of men are going to die unnecessarily. The obvious staged incident in Bucha makes any claim by Zelensky and his crew unbelievable. As always, the victor will write the history. Let’s hope the Russians, if they are victorious, behave in an honorable manner, and not in the manner the Allies behaved after WW2 with the kangaroo Nuremberg trials.
Severodonetsk salient defense is rumored to be collapsing now that Russians from the north have probed into Lyman cutting off supply routes.
马来西亚是时候要求调查其在乌克兰上空被击落的飞机了。 乌克兰做到了，并将其归咎于其他国家。
在美国，勘测野外笔记总是用铅笔写的，因为墨水弄湿了会流掉。 不允许擦除，只能划掉和更正。 出于同样的原因，俄罗斯人可能有类似的规则。 当兵是一件又湿又脏的事情。
Best Analysis of the battle of Ukraine.
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两个问题：
1) So the Ukrainians launched the missile strike as a false-flag op and because they believed too many of the denizens of Kramatorsk were Russian sympathizers? (The rocket could, of course, have malfunctioned or been badly aimed.)
2) Would it be expected that the wording “for the children” on the booster would survive both the flight and impact? If not, then unless the text was scrawled on the fragment after the event, it suggests it initially implied: “This is in revenge for all 我们的孩子 you bastards have killed.” That would be the case whichever side fired the missile. It was more a “blessing” on the device than a message to anyone.
谋杀自己的平民是美国盟友在乌克兰、叙利亚和波斯尼亚的典型行为。 卑鄙。
What proof do the Ukrainians need? Their puppet government can just say, “Bucha”, or “Russians bombed a train station/maternity ward/school”, or “Putin is personally drinking the blood of children” and the media will run with it. No proof needed. It’s all a joke. So far, everything from the Ukrainian side has been lies, obfuscations or unfounded accusations. Nothing of substance. While the Russians have posted a lot of video evidence from abuses of civilians on the Ukrainian side.
Everybody knows that this is NOT about the truth. And also that Russia and Putin are not the United States murdering civilians left and right during their military “interventions” – 6 million civilians over 30+ years to be specific. No, this is ONLY about propaganda first and foremost. Officially, to keep the shipping of useless and obsolete weapons to the lost cause of Zelensky going on for another couple of weeks – for more cash. And Western public in the dark about the truth that Ukraine is done.
No, Western media and their puppet masters think they can pull the same number with Russia (and Putin) as with their opposition at home – e.a. claim ANY lie and crime and then ignore ANY fact that’s countering the “narrative”. Call out the opposition as “nazis” and “racists” and “shills and sock puppets from Moscow and/or Beijing”. Write nasty hit pieces to make the usual lunatics, “Antifa”- and “BLM”-goons attack the opposition in force and by force. And then drop the topic altogether and ignore it as soon as the public opinion flips and proof is widely available.
Alas, this does not work on the bigger stage with a nation like Russia. Because they don’t care. And it also doesn’t work with the majority of the REST of the world. Because they don’t have the Brain-Wash&Go we have here. Besides, who trusts US-goons in a proxy war anyway? They’re always “like master, like slave” when it comes to mass murder, torture, theft, fraud and lies.
it’s a pretty good summary, as are the other assessments on his bitchute.
我认为，尽管亚速斯塔尔的防守者将被直接命令坚持到 9 月 XNUMX 日（政治基准）之后。
由于钢铁厂是一个小郊区（深 8 层）的大小，旨在抵御核攻击，并且可能有数月的供应（如果它是一个预定的山丘），俄罗斯军队将不得不挖掘他们出去。
The Azov arrogance in dictating terms of surrender underline the Nazi ethos: there is no way they can afford to fall into the clutches of the Russian “orcs”, not least because a good proportion of them will be tried as war criminals.
The most deluded of them still expect rescue from some “3rd party”.
Reminds me of the Deus ex Machina in LotR: “ghosts of Mariupol” perhaps?
Scott, you are a hero of the info war, but I doubt you have time to read comments.
I’ve been looking for this rescue… This is a re-post. Yes, those are Chechens, and yes, they had to break through the cement floor to rescue these women who had been sealed in the basement when the Banderites set up their heavy gun there. Later, one of the women posted a video saying she’d never forget her Chechen savior whose last name was Timur.
“Genocidal” Russian soldiers save civilians trapped in basement by Azov
对“西方”的认真调查将导致发现“西方”从未进行过“认真调查”，其结果甚至可以远程得出结论，即它或其任何深层国家操纵者和/或其傀儡负责。
给一个严重的 Heebies' Jeebies 案例就足够了。
上面引用的部分不正确。 在任何阶段，除非初始发射角度非常高（接近自杀），否则弹头（或分离前的完整导弹）下降是垂直的。 一旦分离，高密度弹头将继续沿准抛物线轨迹运行。 低得多的密度、高阻力、用过的助推器主体将很快达到接近垂直的下降。
以上并不是对这篇文章的批评，这是好的，我同意，但这是犯罪的西方 MSM 用来“抹黑”整体的东西。
毫无疑问，Ukies 做到了。
So why don’t the Russians just do that? They seem not to be very media savvy.
They also failed to prove to the world that the Malaysian plane was shot down by the Ukrainians.
Zelensky and his entire government plus every leader in NATO and the EU should be handed over to the Chechens for special treatment when this war is over. I’d love to see the look on Zelensky’s face when he’s being handed over to Ramzan Kadyrov personally by Putin.
Funny that the “Buk” anti-aircraft missile vehicle that downed the Mayasian commercial transport was leaving Russia and returning minus one missile. (Damned cell phones are everywhere). ( Sorry, the link went up is smoke with an old computer. Belling cat as I recall.)
The Kramatorsk railroad murders showed the missile engine to the southwest of the station. In the Ukraine, engines and nose cones of smaller cluster munition armed rockets land beyond the impact area. In photos of the missile attack on the Russian landing ships (Beldansk?) the missile body also falls beyond the cluster munition impact zone. Thus the railroad missile may have come from Russian forces.
This is what is called a war. Anything that one party, e.g. Russia, tells the media is propaganda and lies. To the Russians, the Ukrainians are Nazis. Putin was an ex-Major in the KGB. So what if there are a few field executions or terror strikes on fleeing Nazis?
Pro-Russian units in the east went over to the “dark side” (Russians). Anyone could have any piece of equipment. They all wear the same uniforms. “Documentation” is better used as toilet paper.
Russia, as Soviets or Bolsheviks, starved 6-12 million Ukrainians to death (Holodomor) in the 30s. Why do you think that they would hesitate do any less to “Nazis” now?
In addition, the Russian invasion is clearly designed to secure the gas monopoly that Russia has on the European gas supply. The gas reserves in eastern Ukraine and under the waters around the Crimea could trash the Russian gas stranglehold on Europe. The prattle about NATO, missiles and Russian history is just theater for the rubes.
I am still trying to figure out how the missiles got past the Moskva’s CIWS 30 mm Gatling guns. That is a competent and usually automatic defensive system that should have trashed the incoming missiles. Something is going on.
“ballistic” is the way a ball flies. Before the engine shuts down, the missile is in powered flight. Then the missile BEGINS its pure ballistic trajectory. And I’m saying nothing about its posture.
是的，一个文职政客要叫绝境中的士兵不要投降，这实在是太狂妄了。 总不能交给前线的武将吧？ 然后你有像鲍里斯约翰逊这样的主流“保守派”白痴为这种精神错乱欢呼。
你会认为西方的中右翼只会坐视左派通过内斗和绿色通胀自毁，但不，他们也想通过向绿色左派投降并向冷酷无情和功能失调的人投钱来自我毁灭像西乌克兰那样的政权。
似乎主流右翼的每个人都希望拥有他们的“大规模杀伤性武器”时刻。
Poor Zelensky! How can he fight a war when so many Ukrainians are killing so many Ukrainians? And might turn on the Jews and kill them. Thank Goodness Putin is bringing Peace, Freedom, and Democracy to the Ukraine! This US war has lasted so many years already.
乌克兰人否认了别尔哥罗德和布良斯克州的袭击——俄罗斯人否认他们参与了克拉马托尔斯克导弹袭击。 这一切都太累了。 为什么要否认敌人的死亡？ 一群 Christcucks……是的，乌克兰人本可以轰炸它——同样，俄罗斯人本可以在 2022 年 XNUMX 月轰炸顿涅茨克，那又如何？ 到处看到虚假标志是危险的精神分裂和适得其反的。 把这些珍贵的导弹浪费在你自己的人身上，全是为了便宜的报纸把戏？ 仿佛基辅之魂的故事需要任何表面上的合理性！
关于当前的战争状态——这是俄罗斯恐怖分子 Girkin-Strelkov（俄语）制作的一个不错的视频。 任何期望俄罗斯在库尔斯克 2.0 中取得成功的人都是妄想。
https://www.brighteon.com/3477dbe8-190d-498d-bdac-4551a3ccff70
Hmm if the Tochka U is no longer in service as Russia is claiming why were they parading it in Krasnodar 11 months ago???
Search YouTube for мая 2021 года. Парад Победы в Краснодаре and go to 42 minutes. You will a Tochka U on parade.
Clearly this system is still in some kind of use by Russia.
Like the Lockerbie FARCE where two Libyans were arraigned on fraudulent ‘evidence’ over a ‘conspiracy’ and one acquitted, the other convicted. A ‘conspiracy’ of one, apparently.
和 9/11。
Interesting questions – here’s a layman’s view…
1) The Ukrainians launched the missile strike as a false flag to turn world opinion against Russia – period. The loyalties and welfare of the citizens involved was immaterial – they were expendable.
2) 是的，助推器上潦草的文字总是能在飞行和撞击中幸存下来。 正如照片所证明的，除了空气摩擦和自由落体落到柔软的草坪区域外，该物体没有受到任何创伤。
In addition, the pencil, like a pen, will leave indentations into the paper — so not difficult forensically to determine the writing if it’s been rubbed out. (scratching out would be much trickier)
At least this article does not repeat the false claim that Russia no longer uses these weapons. They were deployed in the initial attack on 24th February. One such missile struck just outside a hospital in Vuhledar, killing four civilians and injuring another 10.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/russian-military-commits-indiscriminate-attacks-during-the-invasion-of-ukraine/
This article from a pro-Western intelligence source argues against over-interpretation of the serial number and impact position of the missile body in Kramatorsk:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/04/14/russias-kramatorsk-facts-versus-the-evidence/
Where’s the surprise? Even the New York Times reported:
To Push Back Russians, Ukrainians Hit a Village With Cluster Munitions (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/world/europe/ukraine-forces-cluster-munitions.html)
“… at least two people were killed as Ukrainian forces shelled [Husarivka, their own town] for the better part of month, targeting Russian forces.”
“… the Ukrainians’ decision to saturate their own village with a cluster munition that has the capacity to haphazardly kill innocent people underscores their strategic calculation …”
I still have a problem with that last photo of the person lying there with the red paint around their head. Maybe there were people killed and maybe there was an actual attack, but that photo is totally staged. How on earth is it possible to be killed by a missile and your clothes, and all the luggage and the ground around it show no evidence of anything at all?
There was a horrifying strike in Donetsk and you only have to compare the pictures of that with the one above to know that the one above is a staged photoshoot. So then the question is why?
Interesting … are the Jews really 这 delusional?
– The war is not real (i.e. not touching the Jewish soul), torture and murder are a game,
the goyim cannot question the inviolability/sacrosanctimoniousness of the
Secular Body of Yahu, the lives of ten thousand goyim are worth less than a
Jew´s toenail (o-tone Ovadia Yossef), we want to be flown out and interned
in a third country (yeah, right) that does not extradite (three guesses), Ze has
already warned the goyim all options are off the table if a lock on our heads is curled.
In away it is strangely amusing – at least they are consistent.
“由于导弹燃烧殆尽，一旦发动机关闭，导弹将停止其纯粹的弹道轨迹，而是在朝着目标前进时呈现近乎垂直的姿态。”
导弹燃烧燃料后，将继续弹道。 导弹中的一切都将沿弹道轨迹继续，但每个子部分都有自己的空气阻力，决定了它垂直移动的距离。
“The warhead is released at a designated point above the target. In the case of the Kramatorsk attack, the Tochka-U was equipped with the 9N123K cluster warhead, containing fifty submunitions, each of which has the effect of a single hand grenade in terms of explosive and lethal impact.”
在 c。 导弹在 2200 米处闯入发动机和几枚子弹药。 碰巧是表面积占重量的比例越大，空气阻力就越大（考虑扔一块石头或者同样重量的羽绒枕，石头走得更远）。 由于子弹药有许多部件，它的表面积与重量的比例更大，它的垂直移动距离比发动机短。 结果是发动机下降到离发射点更远的位置。 在 Kramatorsk Tochka-U 的情况下，发动机位于子弹药着陆点中心的西南方向，证明导弹是从东北方向发射的。
助推器在地面上的位置没有提供任何信息，因为在子弹药释放后，发动机不稳定并且很容易在空中转动。
1. Yes. It’s possible but unlikely it was a mistake or malfunction.
2. Fir the children implies it’s designed to kill civilians and young obeys at that. It strongly implies a clumsy false flag. Why not scrawl , “for Putin” or “for Bucha” instead… Children scrawled on the theatre in Mariupol looked odd too. “Civilians” might have been better.
Anyway, it’s pretty clear the Russians want to drive out the Krainian ethnics from certain areas. The war has a genocidal character. A lot of these disputes about individual incidents are for legal battles post conflict. Only the losers get victors justice in the end as well. Woe to the Vanquished.
Always good to see Scott Ritter, especially good to see him at Unz. As always, expert reportage involving weapons, which has been his career bailiwick. Thanks also to Scott on the update at Mr. Martyanov’s site regarding Gonzalo Lira.
I don’t know if Scott is going to have ‘yellow page’ communications back to comments, but I’d ask, did Scott go to Russia to help in the disposition of these cluster-munition weapons in the former Soviet Republics as one-by-one these became NATO outposts? Or were his talents utilized only in the realm of disposition of nuclear weapons in those republics? I’d be curious if his work involved verifying the closure of Soviet-era biolabs in those republics after the fall. Also, would Scott participate if commissioned for international investigations of the U.S. biolabs, another DOD answering-point?
Also, assuming there were an international tribunal convened on the atrocities of this thing, particularly the execution by Azov and other elements of the UAF of their own civilians and soldiers for surrendering, an issue Zelenski on up surely should answer for, would Scott participate in those? That would start of course on the use of the cluster munitions described here.
At some point, doesn’t Scott become an Assange-like target for his reportage on these issues? The Deep State is like Mother Nature in that regard, when it comes to the truth of these matters.
Be careful out there, kiddo. I’d hate for us to have “what happened to Ritter” threads all over. This, for telling the truth about what they’ve done and spent in our name, quite without asking us, the little people, what WE think about it (I include our Congress-Critters in this, since THEY are supposed to be the gatekeepers).
Outstanding article. This goes to show how backwards the Russians are to allow such an intellectual thought process to appear on their website (first appeared on Hritkcom). Also, Mr. Ritter’s use of compass terms such as, “reverse azimuth” brings back memories of my own time as a young Marine in the field as a forward observer in Vietnam. I wonder if compass’ are still in use in this digital age. They might use position finder now bouncing coordinates off sattlelites now.
Because moving them to more defensible positions to the west would entail giving away the whole of the Donbass to the DPR and LPR, which kind of defeats the purpose of putting those troops there in the 1st place, don’t you think?
Amnesty AND Bellingcrap??!! You are fecking joking, surely, troll.
Quite right, Lev. The question even being asked indicates a mis-informed inquiry to begin with, no? But that’s out media for ya. Have a like. The Ukies/Azov army in the Donbass numbers (or numbered) 60,000 troops on up. They intended to do a slaughter/genocide in Donbass that would have equaled the Armenian genocide. That’s why they were sent there, years ago, a decade. That’s a large part of Russia’s involvement and reasoning justifying the SMO.
Seems to me, once Russia got the show on the road, those folks were trapped, paralyzed, pinned down. Frankly, all over the theater, an objective view of maps indicates to all but idiots the Ukies have been pinned down from the start without support, merely waiting to be destroyed, one region at a time. Even in Kiev, offensive feints pinned the bulk of Ukrainian army remaining right there in Kiev. When the cauldron was ready in the South, the Russians moved the Kiev “offensive” units to the Donbass. The Ukie army in Kiev can’t even get on the road South to help at this point, they’re frozen. All is in readiness now, yet the U.S. MSM is oblivious, or more likely, forbidden. WashPost slowly is coming to the fore with some details on the fall of Mariupol, but with accompanying bullshit detailing Russian ‘atrocities’, all the while ignoring the Azov disaster and Ukie atrocities against citizens and their own troops. I see nothing in MSM about the encirclement of Ukies in the Donbass. But the broadcast media, they’re just useless. That’s why you get questions like these.
Scott Ritter 的分析是有道理的。 但我必须问一个问题：我们真的确定有任何导弹撞击吗？
我看到火车站周围区域的照片散落着碎片、损坏的车辆和似乎有人员伤亡的东西。 但我没有看到任何迹象表明空间站本身或任何形式的撞击坑有任何损坏。
如果您查看据称是受伤人员和散落一地的行李的照片，您会发现树木、人行道或行李没有受到实际损坏。 它们都完好无损，一个女人相当冷漠地坐在背景中，据称受伤的女人在前景中张开，她的头在似乎是（或应该看起来是）血的池子里。
是的，有一个东西似乎是躺在一片草地上的火箭发动机。 但肯定可以相对容易地获得类似的东西。
有谁知道这枚导弹应该撞击到哪里？
The military utility of targeting a passenger train station seems low so your idea of malfunction or error in aiming is useful. If there is a more likely target the Ukrainians could have been aiming at that would buttress your idea, though it would have to be a target for which anti-personnel cluster munitions would be appropriate.
Your idea that the inscription indicates a revenge motive makes the choice of a civilian target understandable, just as it establishes the criminal responsibility of the senior Ukrainian leadership.
There are no doubt honorable Ukrainian military leaders but one of the odd features of Ukraine of recent times is the existence of the very hard core Azov types who expanded from a regiment to a brigade and also into the ranks of the government. Where they are I predict an extra element of bloody-mindedness, as has been seen in the – to me – pointless shelling and sniping into the Donbass with such great loss of life. If that was done by regular formations of the UAF that would be evidence of a more generalized bloody-mindedness.
I also read an account of Zelinsky’s trying to live up to his campaign promise to seek peace but being threatened by the Azovians if he persisted.
There is also the evidence if the strong anti-Russian speaker motivation of the government in the immediate aftermath of Maidan. Stories of UAF torture and execution of Russian POWs and other civilians testify that there is something rotten in Denmark that is consistent with a theory of deliberate attack on the civilian station.
Ukraine is a swirl of hatreds and corruption. It behooves us to step back from the breathless, Hannitovian, Levinian, puppy dog adulation of the Ukrainian rebirth of “democracy” and Ukraine’s being the standard bearer of truth and decency in the battle against Putinian revanchism and neo-Stalinism.
Welcome Mr. Ritter !
I think it’s a foregone conclusion that Donbass is lost, but preserving his military to protect the rest of his country might be a smart thing to do. With the hindsight of 80 years, I’d have told the Fuhrer to avoid Stalingrad, or to at least pull out when his field officers advised him to. Saving his Sixth Army might have kept the Soviets at bay for long enough to prevent the horrible defeat his war ended in. Oh, and with the benefit of 160 years hindsight, I’d advise General Lee not to go to Gettysburg and instead to keep his military strong enough to repel Union advances and wait out the North until it tired of sending its sons South. I’d also have advised General Varus not to spread his legions too thin and not to enter the Teutoburg Forest.
Not necessarily. These fighters could just be sealed in their bunkers and then be left there to carry on for as long as they can (assuming ventilation shafts are not blocked entirely). Reconstruction works could start and progress on the surface while underground sealed fighters work out the best way to live and die. After a few months the seals could be broken to ID and remove the bodies, deliver them to their families.
And you give credence to???
Let us be fair. Zelensky remembers well what happened to Sadam and Qadafy to defy the orders of puppet master. He is looking after for himself. Media appearances, talking tours, book contracts and may be appearance on dancing with stars with BOJO.
All that peace negotiations circus was to buy time and delay obvious Russian take over of Eastern Ukraine.
Using your analogy of the stone and pillow, the nosecone of munitions is the stone and the missle body is the pillow. Thus the body would fall to the ground somewhere between the launch site and the target area. This is opposite of what you go on to claim. The physics of it is more like the trajectory of a bullet with a booster shell casing. Once the bullet disengages with the booster then gravity will cause the heavier shell casing to fall to the ground faster than the lighter bullet thus it will be between the launch site and the target.
I have problems
making sense of this. Are you really quoting? If so what are you quoting?
I ask because you use the word “vertically” twice where it should surely be “horizontally” which makes it appear that you don’t understand what is being said.
So please revisit it all and revise and, in the case of the last paragraph rewrite it so it is clear what is being described and explained.
它没有任何影响。 导弹耗尽燃料，抬起头，放下引擎（地上的绿色大东西，有所有序列号的东西），然后在它们降落的任何地方释放集束弹药。
Your comment is mostly nonsense but I will reply to the last bit of it. In what imaginary world are train stations equipped with CIWS 30 mm Gatling guns?
“Zelensky might want to be careful about what he wishes for.”
That’s exactly right! The nazi Jew needs be brought up on charges for provoking the bear to profit his tribesmen and further impovrishing the Ukrain. Hopefully, zany Putin is no fool and will see to the destruction of those destructive Zionists before he hangs up his hat.
To a comment of mine on Ron’s retrospective article about lack of response to his theories you appended “Disagree “and I would like to find out why.
Was it because you disagreed with the way I described juries reacting to lies? I don’t suppose so.
Was it then because you didn’t think MSM had written him off as a crank because of his continued pushiing of a couple of particarly unconvincing narratives?
Or did you just disagree with what I wrote about his Covid theory and/or 9/11? What’s your problem?
14 年 2022 月 XNUMX 日 克里姆林宫向基辅“决策中心”发出最后警告
26 年 2022 月 XNUMX 日 什么是北约？ 俄罗斯试图禁止乌克兰加入军事联盟
北约成立于 1949 年，旨在防御苏联。 其核心原则是共同防御，载于其创始条约的第 5 条。 北约成员国有30个。 俄罗斯正试图阻止乌克兰加入他们的行列。 俄罗斯入侵乌克兰的威胁促使北约部队在整个欧洲动员起来，这引发了许多军事联盟存在的首要原因。
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/01/26/nato-military-alliance-explained-russia-ukraine/9211025002/
29年2016月XNUMX日，该地图显示了俄罗斯为何惧怕与美国的战争
Unz is publishing sex offenders now?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/15/former-un-weapons-inspector-online-sex
It is always wise to mistrust any position the U.S. government takes as their lies and treachery are many and manifest.
如果这是一个指责俄罗斯人的乌克兰虚假旗帜，那么喷漆的口号就会像“Die Ukie Scum”或“From Russia With Love”之类的。 助推器级的标语暗示该导弹旨在报复俄罗斯人杀害乌克兰儿童，俄罗斯已经这样做了。 助推器阶段的方向强烈暗示从乌克兰领土发射。 这些导弹已经使用了30多年，部件老化是不可避免的。 这很可能是导弹故障，乌克兰宣传机构发现将其归咎于俄罗斯很方便，因为俄罗斯以前曾使用 Tochkas 袭击乌克兰的平民目标（不一定是故意的）。
是的，你是对的。
袭击中唯一取得的成就可能是更快的解决方案，以及被俘虏的机会非常渺茫。
但这些来自马里乌波尔的潜在战俘提出了一个两面性问题：任何低于绞刑架的行为都将被视为不公正，任何低于遣返的行为都会被西方妖魔化。
Your solution is simpler, safer… and more poetic.
“We will bury you”
A bit harsh assessment of how to handle the steel works Azovians, but it may come to that. Hope for guidance from Zelinsky is gone. At this point his control of the Ukraine government and Ukraine military equals Joe Bidens control of our government and military. It doesn’t exist.
As per comment above, if the Russians produced documentation about the missile’s provenance then it would automatically be regarded as fake by Western media, so producing it would be a pointless exercise. Russia provided documentation showing that the BUK missile in the MH-17 shootdown was Ukrainian, but this was ignored. I believe the MH-17 trial in the Netherlands completely rules out any evidence provided by Russia.
Re pencilled documentation, the records shown were not field records but office records.
What is known about how many missiles were fired?
It is certainly worth asking why the Russians would fire one missile calculated to kill civilians. But once one starts asking questions it would be good to know how many other missiles were fired, and, as one going astray might be the reason the station was hit, what the targets were for the others.
他当然是……但是你在这个网站上浪费了宝贵的时间，而你可以阅读《卫报》。 我愿意。 例如，这就是我发现 Julian Assange 是强奸犯的方式。 Skripals 被致命的神经毒剂 Novichok 毒死，这种毒剂被涂抹在他们的门把手上，倒入他们的饮料和一瓶古龙水中，而对于 Navalny，俄罗斯特工变得更加大胆，将其涂抹在他的内裤上。 幸运的是，纳瓦尔尼幸免于难。 Skripals 做了，但奇怪的是，他们完全反对出现在公众面前。 听说英国《卫报》正在准备一份特别调查报告，证明身患绝症的普京曾试图通过吃乌克兰婴儿来维持生计。 活。 而且没有盐！
Can you point me to some sources on this ? It’s a question I would really like some clarification on.
We may have a 6.5mm carcano magic bullet, grass knoll, “back and to the right” moment going on here.
It’s like a crime scene with shell casings, bullet fragments and a body with a gun shot wound. All interesting stuff that may or may not be useful evidence. The detective has to show it was those particular bullet fragments that caused that particular fatal wound and came from those particular shell casings. Then link it to a particular gun fired by a specific shooter.
This is what makes the rocket booster such an interesting artifact. We have been told that it’s that specific booster with a specific message written on it that caused those fatalities. It’s an artifact that has a history that can be traced, regardless of how patchy the paperwork might be no organization has a ballistic missile without keeping some records on it
“2. Fir the children implies it’s designed to kill civilians and young obeys at that. ”
There is no point overthinking anything coming from a dumb Ukrainian. The operator was probably ordered to write something on the missile that would help the Western media generate plenty of hysteria. Anything involving ‘children’ would do the job even if it didn’t actually make any sense.
解决这个问题的唯一方法是分析以前的 Tochka 打击，而 Scott Ritter 或其他任何人都未能做到这一点，因此我们没有任何关于助推级与弹头分离后行为的可靠信息。 我没有花太多时间搜索，但我很快找到了顿涅斯克市发生 Tochka 罢工的案例，乌克兰人根据“助推器阶段”的方向将其归咎于分离主义者/俄罗斯人，坠毁的助推器后部指向分离主义者/俄罗斯领土。 在本案中使用该分析可以辩称，归咎于俄罗斯的火车站罢工实际上来自乌克兰领土。 助推器的前部指向火车站，后部指向乌克兰领土，您将面临一场艰苦的艰苦战斗，因为它是由俄罗斯人发射的。 话虽如此，Rooski Fanboy Clown Car Parade 急于称这是乌克兰军方对乌克兰平民的有目的的假旗攻击，这完全没有证据，但荒谬的是可以预测的。 可能是故障，毕竟这些 Tochka 不仅是俄罗斯垃圾，而且是 30 年的俄罗斯垃圾，有足够的时间进行组件降解。
人们必须对这些事情保持开放的态度，但你上面声明中突出显示的部分与这里和其他媒体上的其他说法相矛盾，即俄罗斯声称早在 2019 年就已经淘汰了他们的 Tochka 库存。
据称白俄罗斯人和乌克兰人仍然使用它们，但俄罗斯人没有。
如果您要推断俄罗斯一直在投放导弹，这将是一个有争议的问题 任何形式的 关于乌克兰平民。 无论如何，我们仍然想知道这一点。
发动机后部有散热片，下方有某种转向板。 如果没有空气动力学平滑的弹头，发动机可能会摇摆不定，但我认为它不会翻滚。
David Homer @56
Well said, David Homer!
Your comment seems sound and judicious. I have little to add to it, except an incidental tangent stirred by this sentence of yours:
I am starting to believe that 种族灭绝 is largely an anticoncept. That is, it is a category that serves to frustrate clear thinking rather than to enhance it.
It is unclear to me that to slaughter, say, 10,000 noncombatants without regard to their race or tribe is less awful than to slaughter 10,000 noncombatants specifically because of their race or tribe. I hasten to add that, having witnessed few shots fired in anger, I thankfully lack experience of the horror of a slaughter of 10,000! So maybe I just do not know what I am talking about.
If the genocide targets my own race or tribe, that of course is another matter; but no one has explained to me why genocide, in the abstract, is worse than just killing.
For all I know, maybe genocide is less bad, not more. Maybe, at least, genocide has a discernible goal that serves the plain, rational interests of the killer and his kin.
Further musings by me on mass carnage would be unhelpful, so I’ll leave it there. My gruesome musings are not quite reaching the point I wish to reach, anyway. There is an obvious JQ angle to the question, and this being Unz评论， I’ve little doubt that someone will explore that angle (for better or for worse); but whatever the angle, there seems to me to be something vaguely wrong with the moral use of 种族灭绝 as a conceptual category.
It’s surprising that Ritter would get the terminology wrong, but the missile begins its ballistic trajectory when the engine shuts down, ballistic missiles are called ballistic missiles because the great majority of their trajectories are ballistic, i.e. unpowered, like a thrown ball once it leaves the thrower’s hand.
ballistic trajectory in American English
noun. the path of an unpowered object, as a missile, moving only under the influence of gravity and possibly atmospheric friction and with its surface providing no significant lift to alter the course of flight.
There are over 100 photos of the aftermath of the Kramatorsk bombing on the Spanish Getty website. They don’t seem staged, unlike Bucha’s.
https://www.gettyimages.es/fotos/kramatorsk-railway-station-attack?assettype=image&phrase=kramatorsk%20railway%20station%20attack&sort=mostpopular&license=rf%2Crm
犹太复国主义者是假旗高手，他们做了几十件事，包括911袭击世贸中心，这是以色列和ZUS政府最高级别的叛徒所做的，并指责穆斯林为摧毁中东提供借口为以色列更大的以色列议程。
卡马托尔斯克铁路袭击是又一个犹太复国主义者犯下的假旗，在绝望中他们忘记了指向犹太复国主义假旗的细节，例如导弹上的序列号，证明它是乌克兰导弹，即 W91579，犹太复国主义者越来越马虎。
犹太复国主义者在哪里制造了白头盔，他们在叙利亚制造了数十面假旗帜，是时候推出白头盔了。
Show us you know what you are talking about despite your rather obvious error in suggesting that the missile depends on running out of fuel to determine where it releases its cluster bombs!
对来自乌克兰或俄罗斯附近的人的警告——Ukies/Nazis 在赫尔松的公寓暗杀了 Valery Kuleskov。 Val 是一个超级家伙，他不怕说出关于顿巴斯 Ukie 暴行的真相——多年来。 乌克兰的英特尔、SBU、纳粹等。看起来他们是由在中央情报局那些年恐吓中美洲的同一所{美国美国学校}训练的。
你必须是一个被洗脑的 MFer，才会认为乌克兰是这里的受害者，而他们的 Prez 是英雄。 你好美国。
我怀疑他们是否会找到 Gonzalo 的尸体，如果他没有非常敏锐的街头意识，并在他花点时间思考他的最后一句话时就拿下羔羊。
They did, but the Western MSM wall stops any real information from reaching us.
I found these facts reported on a Russian news website. Incredible but true, the serial number of the missile that hit Kramatorsk, incriminating the Ukrainian side, was revealed on an EU/Italian TV channel. Yet, no journalist was interested in investigating.
https://t.me/ChDambiev/15134
在目前非法入侵乌克兰期间，俄罗斯托奇卡袭击了基辅地区的一家医院，造成患者和医务人员伤亡（再次强调，我并不是故意的）。 在乌克兰境内拍摄了几个 Tochka 发射装置。 显然，Tochka 正在为入侵服务。 在使用新东西之前烧掉你的旧库存是有意义的，所有国家都这样做。
You are correct, horizontally. The pieces between ” ” are cut and pasted from Scott Ritter’s article.
Thus, it is so that when the external force stops working (the fuel of the missile burns out), everything
in the missile moves along a ballistic orbit. Every piece has the same initial velocity and direction. Where each piece lands in the horizontal position is therefore determined by air resistance.
Ritter says
“Because the missile burns to depletion, once the engine shuts down, the missile will cease its pure ballistic trajectory, and instead assume a near-vertical posture as it heads toward its target. ”
You can see that this defies all physics.
Now there is a question which has smaller surface area to weight ratio, the engine part of the submunitions. Let us assume for simplicity that the engine part weights as much as the submunitions together. Should the submunitions stay together as a packet, we would conclude that both the engine and the submunition packet have about the same surface area to weight ratio and they will land to approximately the same place. Next consider the change when the subammunition are not in a packet but in dozens or even hundreds small pieces. You see that the surface area of the subammunition grows. Therefore they will not travel as far horizontally as the engine.
One commenter incorrectly claimed that a subammunition is like a bullet and the engine is like a case. This is incorrect. The engine is like a case to dozens or hundreds of bullets and is therefore more compact than the dozens or hundreds of bullets taken as a totality. See, it is so that if you have a bigger stone and a smaller stone and you give both equal initial velocity, the smaller stone must have a larger surface area to weight ratio. This is because the weight is related to the radius to cubic and surface area to radius to square. If you make radius larger, the weight grows faster than the surface area and surface area to weight ratio decreases.
As for this that after spreading the subammunitions at the altitude 2200 m, the missile becomes unstable and can easily turn, consider this: originally the missile has a heavier top than bottom and flies top in front, but assuming that it throws out some weight from the top, it may well have the bottom heavier and it flips so that the bottom is first. Try throwing a throwing knife and you see, it flips to move the heavier part first, but only if you know how to throw, else it moves in any position. Applying to Tochka-U, one should know the weight distribution and aerodynamics of the missile after it releases subammunition in order to say which way it moves. It is likely that it may end in whatsoever direction and nothing can be concluded.
Setting aside whether “genocide” when extended to cultural genocide opens up otherwise under examined ideas I can see that you ask whether one motivation for killing a lot of people who don’t threaten your life or freedom can be morally better or worse than another. Let’s try.
One hundred thousand farmers and their families need to be killed to allow your people to feed themselves without possibility of come back.
One hundred thousand gypsies and blacks can’t be cleared out from the territory you are taking over, or from your own, but you are desperate to get rid of such a degrading lot of people with its high crime rate and lack of aspiration oe willingness to contribute materially or otherwise to the wider society so you kill them.
I suppose you could say of the first case that you are accepting that it is Malthusian world and that increasing the reliable food supply is an imperative thrust upon you by nature. They would be proved wrong in modern times but it may be classed as different from killing people because you have developed categories of inferior and superior people AND can see no way to upgrade them by interbreeding OR to treat them as individuals as the Western Enlightenment, at least West of the Rhine, taught.
That’s an interesting detail and I’m glad you mentioned it. But it doesn’t effect ballistic trajectories or wind resistance. Sex offenders can’t change the laws of physics
“With the front of the booster pointing at the train station and the rear at Ukrainian territory you’re gonna have a tough uphill battle arguing it was launched by the Russians. ”
五角大楼声称它是从分离主义地区拍摄的。 他们似乎将他们的信息基于卫星图片或间谍飞机图像/雷达轨迹。 我没有这个信息。 乌克兰声称有两枚导弹，他们拦截了一枚。 如果是这样，他们必须非常清楚导弹的来源，可能还有雷达轨迹。 我没有这个信息。 然而，这起事件是一项声称的战争罪，将由一些第三方进行调查，就像对布查杀戮事件的调查一样。 无论您如何看待第三方，例如法国或比利时，它们都不是任何 ziocon、ukrinazi、globohomo 阴谋的傀儡。 派出的队伍是警察。 他们将调查这个问题，无论他们得出什么结论，这都是公认的结论。 你可以继续你的意见，但经过调查，这只是一个外行的意见。
至于这次克拉马托尔斯克事件是任何人的假旗，我非常怀疑。 可以肯定的是，乌克兰通过火车将部队运送到顿巴斯，用集束弹药射击他们很有意义。 但在这种情况下，军队似乎在火车到达车站之前就已经离开了，而火车站里只有平民。 狗屎发生了，所以导弹杀死了平民。 然后有人试图声称这是乌克兰的假国旗。 但这一事件没有更大的相关性。 你可以看到，俄罗斯人一直在发射导弹，炮击普通的公寓楼，从而杀死平民。 已经有数千名平民丧生。 克拉马托尔斯克的更多内容并没有改变任何东西。 俄罗斯有这种发动战争的方式，它已经在车臣和叙利亚这样做了。
The fact that shooting missiles to somebody’s home and killing his family does not really win hearts and souls gives a simple reason why the large majority of Russian speaking Ukrainians escape to the West, not to Russia. This means that they see Russia as an enemy, not a liberator. The Kramatorsk event is a single and not very important example of a general pattern. Trying to deny the Russian role in it cannot change the general pattern: there are simply too many destroyed houses and they were destroyed by Russians.
“this missile belongs to the same series of missiles that were fired against several independentist cities in the Donbass.”
Yes, and this points to Ukrainian separatists. The Ukraine army has 90 to 500 Tochka-U missiles. It would be unlikely that they would have happened to select a missile from the same small set of tochkas that belonged to the ammunition of one Tochka launcher that was used in Donbas in 2014.
However, it is very likely that Ukraine separatists managed to capture only one or very few tochka launchers in 2014. A launcher they captured was used in Donbas in 2014. Lots of Ukraine soldiers changed side in 2014, several units switched to the side of the separatists. Let us assume the unit that earlier had shot those two tochkas in Donbas in 2014 switched the side. If so, then Donbas separatists had this launcher and the ammunition for it. Thus, if they shot the missile to Kramatorsk, they could only use the one launcher they had and naturally the serial number was close to the ones this same launcher had shot in 2014.
But I do not think this was any false flag. This was a simple mistake. Separatists were trying to shoot down Ukraine reinforcements that were coming by train to strengthen JFO forces.
是的，导弹上写的“为了孩子们”的字样背叛了犹太复国主义的灵感。
还记得以色列的这个场景吗？
MH17不是被BUK导弹干掉的，我知道，我亲眼目睹了罪魁祸首。 终有一天，人们会明白真相。
啊! 但是一场严重战争的胜利者的认真调查不会是宣传，因为它不会是西方的。
不用挖人。 围观，坐等。 他们不能永远呆在那里，也不能得到补给。 麦地那浮现在脑海。 与此同时，战斗在不知不觉中继续进行。
I reached the same conclusion about the missile’s point of origin by simply comparing published photos of the booster and adjacent landmarks, with those same landmarks using google maps. That gave me an estimate of the direction of flight, and the maximum range, which I acquired from publicly available sources, gave me an estimate of the missile’s launch point, which was clearly inside Ukrainian held territory.
One thing I would point out. This is probably the most recorded war in history. I’ve seen live footage from actual combat, as well as the immediate results of missile and artillery strikes, much of it unwittingly provided by Ukrainian civilians, as I assume was the case here. Someone took photos and posted them online before a cover up could commence, thus providing the evidence needed to identify the perpetrators.
Speaking of photographic evidence, we are going to see an overwhelming amount of it covering the atrocities committed by the Ukrainian side in just a few months if not sooner. Independent analysts from around the world will be studying that evidence and no amount of media control inside or outside the NATO alliance will be able to conceal the truth. I see a major shift in world opinion directly ahead, once the true extent of what’s been done is revealed.
Why would anyone poke the greatest nuclear power on the planet? Russia missile, nicknamed Satan 2, can fly 6,000 miles, carry 15 warheads and has the potential to destroy an area the size of France or Texas.
Zelenzsky is your typical Chosenite, flaming fires for others to put out.
Can’ t you be bothered to read what you reply to? He said the Gatling guns were on the Moskva.
Not well said by either of you. He didn’t say the Gatling guns were at the train stations but on the Moskva.
“Witnessed the culprits”? What does that mean?
您是否亲眼看到那些负责击落 MH317 的人是如何将其击落的？ 如果是这样，那是什么，你目击的记录在哪里？
Scott Ritter omitted one important question:
could the perpetrator forge the serial number of the missile ?
Wrong again, Jew_2.
Tochka_U is strictly a Ukraine munition. Dozens have hit Donetsk.
Between Obama’s eight years as a Magik Negro slave and shellacking he gave to white America, and four years of Trump exposing the toxic swamp destruction of humanity, we were gifted with the senile head of a political crime family who not only schitts his pants, but schitts on everything good about America and the west.
Joe CornPop is the perfect fool to blame for incompetent PIGs (people in government) playing slave masters to all government plantations serfs in America while giving perks and protection to GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3BLM.
Nothing will change until PIGs (people in government) and GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3 are removed.
Looking at the bigger picture:
https://anti-empire.com/strelkov-thinks-russia-doesnt-have-enough-troops-to-pull-off-a-donbass-encirclement/
Ya gotta love a dolt. The goddamned thing is totally unguided, release of cluster munitions depends on the angle from which it’s launched assuming warhead/motor detachment. You could have found that on WIKI. What the fuck is your problem that you’re sitting here attempting to split non-existent hairs? The launch of these abominations isn’t enough? Or do you cover for the monsters in the Ukie army that launch them? So, you love the human destruction?
** gravity will cause the heavier shell casing to fall to the ground faster than the lighter bullet **
LOL. I’d check the math on that one.
“Wrong again, Jew_2.”
Seems to be that annamaria is not the only Me Too. Apparently Anon is another. Try to get
over your trauma.
“Tochka_U is strictly a Ukraine munition. ”
Tochka-U is a Soviet missile and Russia has used this missile e.g. in Syria, but even if we would assume that only Ukraine used Tochkas in 2014, it is perfectly possible and even likely that
Ukraine separatists got one Tochka-U launcher in 2014 when several Ukraine units shifted side
to separatists.
It is good to have saintly people to police The Unz Review.
If you are right I apologise. It does/would indeed justify your description of them as abominations. It also means that the intended target can only be specified loosely. Whether that is sufficient to exculpate the Ukrainians I don’ t know but would like to know.
PS Whatis the full tank range of the weapon,?
The USA has decided that Russia will lose this war. The West will give the weapons needed.
At the moment Ukraine has overpower in number of men, morale, number of tanks,
antitank weapons, short range anti-aircraft weapons, soon they have enough artillery,
and they may soon get Romanian Mig-21s, which may not be 20 in operational condition
and modernized but 110, and one may at least ask if there will appear some fully
operational 30+12+20=62 Mig-29s, put together from from spare parts, of course.
I still expect that Ukraine will attack at some point, even though you did
assure that they do not have the skills (but good morale and weapons make it up,
conscript armies do not need that much training, they need officers to tell what to do).
没错。
首先是这辆民用白色/蓝色卡车和红色深装载机，装载着进口的 BUK 运输车。 除了具有俄罗斯国旗颜色的潜意识巧合之外，这种组合还需要引起注意和拍照，一组 4
导弹，一天后离开，一枚导弹明显失踪。
这艘航母在靠近 Pervomaiskiy 附近的一个场地卸货，据称它是从那里发射导弹的。 固体火箭燃料会烧焦土壤并留下独特的化学残留物，但不久之后就允许耕种田地，没有采集土壤样本。
此外，这些航母以三人一组的形式运行，并接收来自具有强大远程雷达的控制车辆的射击数据。 然而，一艘拥有更小、更弱雷达的单一航母本应在一架未知飞机上开枪，而这架飞机在开火时距离飞行时间超过 10 分钟。
导弹制造商阿尔马兹·安泰（Almaz Antey）看到其产品遭到大规模抵制，决心不放弃这种命运，并进行了自己的研究。 BUK导弹的飞行控制电子设备位于鼻锥中，火箭发动机和固体燃料位于更靠后的翅片管中，炸药夹在中间。 装药爆炸后，弹片以径向方式向外飞出，呈扩大的甜甜圈形状。 换句话说：相对于导弹的飞行方向径向侧向。 这枚导弹据称来自东部，来自叛军控制的地区，据称几乎与飞机正面相撞，并在飞机靠近飞机驾驶舱时引爆了炸药。
但阿尔玛兹的工程师们还在飞机的左翼和尾翼部分发现了弹片撞击，这意味着导弹更多地从侧面和下方以比正面更接近 90 度的角度与飞机相撞。 这意味着导弹是从更西边的地区发射的，当时该地区处于基辅领导的乌克兰军队的牢牢控制之下。
然后是关于导弹的世代争论。 弹片撞击孔的形状确实表明了俄罗斯军队不再储备和使用的一代导弹，但阿尔马兹表示，乌克兰军队不久前选择了最后一个工厂进行翻新，仍然使用老一代问题。
当被问及时，阿尔马兹无法保证导弹造成的弹片撞击可能是导致飞机坠毁的唯一原因。 在 Pervomaiskiy 地区接受采访的市民在声称发射的那一刻没有听到导弹发射的声音，但他们看到了空中的战斗机并听到了飞机大炮的射击。 JIT 调查人员驳斥了有关 MH17 飞机皮肤碎片上的圆形撞击孔的报告。
有问题的 Bellingcat 调查人员在智能手机上找到了俄罗斯军队车队从基地前往大型演习途中的可疑视频片段。 据称，这辆 BUK 运输车是从车队中挑选出来的，将被转移到民用卡车和深装载拖车上，但没有人费心去核实和登记一辆空的军用拖车是否已经离开车队返回基地。转移，或者在空的车队中留下并继续前进，以便在演习期间获得分配的其他任务。 换句话说; 没有人可以证明车队是否带着（比如说）9 艘 BUK 航母离开了基地，并带着 8 艘到达了演习区域。
调查的组织一团糟。 残骸仍然四处散落，似乎没有兴趣收集所有东西，以便进行真正的彻底研究。 花了数年时间才决定以更严肃的方式采访该地区的人们，就像在如此可怕的事件发生后通常（并且立即）这样做，造成如此多的人员伤亡和损失。
整个调查和“取证”的方式从头到尾都臭得要命，直到今天从未停止过。
It is some years ago now, but I remember seeing a display in London that included a blunderbuss.
从对新苏联人如何使用军事装备的完全无知，到他对导弹本身如何运作的解释的糟糕物理学，里特继续着他不间断的愚蠢记录。
Just to see if I understand you, the missile drops the engine, releases the bomblets, and continues flying forever: it impacts nothing?
对于它的价值，我相信“为孩子们”、“Za detei”的题词是俄语，而不是乌克兰语。
Ukronazis 在 Azofstal 俘虏了数百名平民。 与美国不同，俄罗斯从一开始就试图将人员伤亡降至最低。 俄罗斯已经造成数千人伤亡，如果它使用美国的系统在地面入侵之前将被攻击者的城市减少为瓦砾，它本可以减少很多。
You REALLY are into this topic, so I’ll try to, AGAIN, clarify a thing or two.
Keyword: TIMING. T…I….M….I…N…G.
I also expect that Ukraine will attack, at some point, in future. In TIME. T…I….M….E.
They, AT THE MOMENT, do not have either expertise or hardware to mount such an operation. The enemy is STILL too strong for that. It will be a suicide to try such an operation at the moment. Having said that, due to (geo)strategic reasons/politics they could try. “War is extension…”.
If they try the attack operation will fail as such, with heavy loses. Will it produce other benefits in (geo)strategic/political/sociological/psychological areas is open to (another) discussion.
For example, if JFO get into bad spot a LOCAL counterattack, say, from Kharkov, could relieve the pressure/buy time/whatever. They’d get repelled, having lost men and material, but, if that benefits JFO forces, why not?
至于：
I believe we have FUNDAMENTAL disagreement about the things military. Make of that what you will. I’ll do the same.
“在这个世界上只有两件事我无法忍受：不能容忍他人文化的人， 和荷兰人” — Nigel Powers（Michael Caine），Goldmember（强调）
诚然，荷兰在 MH-17“调查”中彻底摧毁了它的信誉。 可耻的，犯罪的。
There are simply too many destroyed houses and they were destroyed by Ukrainians.
Before Russia entered the US war in Ukraine:
“In December-January 2022, the impact of hostilities on civilian
infrastructure included damages to the power supply unit in Olenivka
(Donetsk NGCA) and a power line in Travneve (Donetsk GCA). At least 11
houses were damaged or destroyed, including multi-story buildings in
NGCA, and a house destroyed in Donetsk GCA.
Since December, OHCHR recorded 10 civilian casualties, including 6 due to
mines/ERW. Overall, in 2021 a total of 110 casualties were recorded by
OHCHR – a 26% decrease compared to 2020. Of them 53% were related to
landmines and ERW, 40% to active hostilities and 7% to other causes.”
https://www.humanitarianresponse.info/sites/www.humanitarianresponse.info/files/documents/files/01_2022_protection_cluster_factsheet_eng.pdf
Back in 2015, Ukraine vs Ukraine:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/report-details-widespread-prisoner-abuse-torture-in-ukraine-conflict_1997904.html
Look at the face on the flag. LOL.
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Thank you Mr Ritter for having the courage to tell the truth, along with Col. Macgregor.
And thanks to Mr Unz for giving you a voice, even as the Globalist Deep State and their Ministry of Propaganda attempt to censor and silence all dissent.
https://www.rt.com/russia/554261-fire-research-facility-tver/
Administrative, a?
Hard to investigate any corruption/misuse of funds now.
都好。
“Separatists” is a funny word to use. You mean Ukrainians did this?
To attack the reinforcements, it would have been better to shoot the train. Shooting the station is pointless, unless the train had arrived, which it hadn’t.
On the other hand, Ukrainians have been shooting Ukrainian civilians trying to flee the fighting. It would make sense for them to shoot the crowded station before the train arrived.
as ever I appreciate the inspector Ritter’s expertise in every article his indeopth knowledge has been useful.
However, while tbne trees are certainly important, I am more concerned wyth the forest. And on hs isue that forest has one run amok actor in my view and that is Russia. Her actions remain unwarranted and a threat to international order. The defense of Russia is of course reasonable. However, she cannot demand that ther nations be unwillingly listed in that endeavour – period. And her demand that others obey her demands l’est there be a nuclear exchange is beyond the pail and unacceptable.
She simply has no standing to determine who the dance partners on the floor are. Those are the issues, who fired what and when against who for accountability for potential war crimes. But it is a safe bet that there won’t be any trials as the conflict continues and the party responsible for that conflicty is Russia.
Russia who even according to the OSCE protocols is in violation in more than one area.
是的，伽利略在比萨斜塔的演示中证明了重力引起的加速度与质量无关。 火箭助推器在释放其气动弹头锥体后由于风阻增加而落后。 它在分离后翻滚。
请详细说明糟糕的物理和白痴，否则 STFU。
据我了解，引擎确实会翻滚。 翅片是空气动力学整体的一部分； 在分离时，由于重量不平衡和整体空气动力学形式的损失，它们几乎没有稳定性。 因此发动机总是掉落 短 弹头的位置，在这种情况下表示 AFU（乌克兰）领土内的原点。
请在 Moon of Alabama 上查看详细分析，图片显示零件的相对位置。
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/more-evidence-that-ukraine-fired-the-missile-which-killed-dozens-in-kramatorsk.html
This was a good article, factual and informative.
Mr. Ritter’s opinions are in demand now and it seems to be forcing some in the media to come back to objective reality.
I still haven’t heard much about the role of air-strikes in the coming Donbass battle. People seem to have forgotten how powerful they can be on massed formations.
I also haven’t heard much about bulldozer blades for tanks being used to fill in trenches. I hear they were effectively used in the Iraq war.
Also missing are Gatling cannon fired from 747s or their equivalent.
https://greatamericanoutdoors.com/2021/09/holy-cow-the-m61-vulcan-is-a-gatling-gun-on-steroids/
他们都在争夺新世界秩序，王中之王，以色列是罪魁祸首。 注意到美国最大的盟友以色列在屠杀无辜的巴勒斯坦人时保持沉默吗？ 他们为什么要站在一边？ 这是上帝选中的疯子的双赢。
为什么没有人注意到这一点？ 可能是因为你他妈的太蠢了？
如果普京想在这个世界上做正确的事，他会向以色列投下他漂亮的炸弹。
以色列和上帝选择的疯子将会消失，只有那时我们的地球才会在没有撒旦的孩子的情况下和平 2 年。
想一想，很有道理。
I guess Russia may not have an AC-130 equivalent.
Vietnam: From the “Puff the Magic Dragon” Plane to the Lockheed AC-130
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2015/08/06/vietnam-from-puff-the-magic-dragon-plane-to-lockheed-ac-130/
马萨达。 是马萨达这些笨蛋应该让他们的孩子离开。
I’ve tried to get clarity on those reports, but so far as I can see, only Ukrainian authorities and Western media outlets such as CNN have asserted these things to be so. One-sided accusations of war crimes or similar allegations – and with Tochkas, no less (notwithstanding your inference that the Russians are still using these weapons, even though they say they stopped using them years ago).
That gives me pause – the confirmed false flag at the Mariuopol maternity hospital remains plainly visible through the fog of war (see for example http://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-4/ ).
Ditto the alleged massacre by Russian soldiers in Bucha, and now the Kramatorsk train station atrocity – which, irrespective of intent, was inflicted by a Ukrainian asset.
So, as suggested, one should keep an open mind, but as they say – “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…”. IMO it’s getting harder and harder to give any credence to the Ukrainian side of the equation.
我明白你的意思了。 如果这些是集束弹药，我预计会看到对周围固定装置和表面造成更明显的麻点损坏。
‘…Russia, as Soviets or Bolsheviks, starved 6-12 million Ukrainians to death (Holodomor) in the 30s. …’
If you must over-simplify, it would be more accurate to say that Jews starved gentiles to death. After all, the famine extended well beyond the Ukraine.
Now ask who runs the Ukraine and look at who is promoting the war.
If we must turn it all into a moral tale.
‘…IMO it’s getting harder and harder to give any credence to the Ukrainian side of the equation…’
That all depends on who you prefer to believe. A lot of people have got a nice, clear, simple moral fable going here, and you’re not going to muddy the picture.
Thank you. I stand corrected. I’ve looked at the small fins attached to the chlorine tanks allegedly dropped from a helicopter in Douma, Syria and assumed it didn’t take much to keep a cylinder pointed head down. Even if Douma was faked, cylinders with such fins were in fact used elsewhere.
无论落体是否翻滚，我都希望表面积较大且因此风阻较大的物体能够更快地减慢其向前运动的速度。 因此它会达不到另一个身体的撞击点。
当然，坠落物体的相对重量并不是决定它们坠落速度的因素。 正如您在下面指出的那样。 ☺️
The missile fall in Beldansk was, as I recall, posted in a video in the comments at “Moon of Alabama”. I think that the original ownership of the missile is pretty much useless since various Ukrainian units have “switched sides” or been over-run, so ownership will be lost in the fog of war. Similarly, the Moskva. The Russians don’t acknowledge a missile hit, but the Ukrainians claim firing two. There is no independent verification of missile hits. We will possibly learn the truth in the future. I am going with the assumption that any public release of information is propaganda.
I mentioned the Moskva since the missile should not have gotten past the guns and decoys. The Ukrainians are celebrating and the Russians are quiet. Who knows.
The train station attack has to be a terror hit. Track and yard hits disrupt rail traffic. The cluster munitions broke some station windows and did minor damage to passenger coaches. The crowd was the obvious target. Who dun it is still the question. This is also a civil war so there is a surplus of hate.
The Jews got lots of undeserved “credit”. Both the NSDAP and the Bolsheviks were frustrated by the “stand offish” Jews. Yet The early Bolsheviks were about 85% Jews and the Bolshevik Revolution was often called the “Jewish Revolution”. Quite a few Jews served in the German military. The German Communist party in the 30s was loaded with Jews.
Thus the Jews were either the focus of evil or were targeted as outsiders. It isn’t an easy topic. I have no easy
回答。
……哦，我忘记了 JIT 调查人员在事件发生多年后提出的导弹残余物。 当遇难者亲属因调查结果不详、抓捕失败而心急如焚时，一些自称操作航母并发射导弹的俄军人员被抓获审讯。 突然间，正好赶上收集到的针对嫌疑人的证据，为即将到来的审判做准备，这些导弹部件出现了，比如装有发动机和燃料的圆柱形后部。 据说MH17航班在几英里的高度被弹片击中，但“发现”的导弹部件从这样的高度自由落体后幸免于难，序列号和其他产品标记非常完整（自然可以追溯到俄罗斯军队）便于阅读，便于世界上所有的新闻摄像机记录和发布。
而且，总而言之，还有乌克兰空中交通雷达站的问题，当时不知什么原因一直“失灵”或“停机维修”。 俄罗斯人能够提供雷达图像，但 JIT 发现这些图像要么不够好，要么被篡改。 这带来了一个问题，为什么俄罗斯人直到今天还没有提供雷达图像或其他可以让他们免于怀疑和指责的证据。
“There are simply too many destroyed houses and they were destroyed by Ukrainians.”
There was a civil war starting in 2014. As always, both sides had good reasons and were correct in a sense. In a civil war there are atrocities. No doubt Russian speaking Ukrainians at that time had many reasons to hate Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians and Russian speaking Ukrainians were pro-Russia, being largely of Russian origins. Besides, the Eastern parts of Ukraine have never been in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and have felt like a part of Russia.
But this was before the Russian attack. Had the attack succeeded as intended: with a rather bloodless coup as a result of the strategic strike, then this pro-Russia feeling would have lasted. But when the strategic strike failed and Putin decided to use missiles and artillery, especially when he decided to turn Mariupol into rubble, this pro-Russian feeling among Russian speaking Ukrainians has decreased to a small fraction of what it was. Because the number of houses Ukrainians destroyed before this war is an event in the past and Russians have now destroyed a far greater number of houses and killed more civilians. There still are some pro-Russia people, like the Mayer of Kreminna (shot recently), but much less than before the war. Putin made a very poor choice by bombing Russian speaking areas. That is not what is called liberation.
“To attack the reinforcements, it would have been better to shoot the train.”
It is very difficult to shoot a fast moving object with a missile like Tochka-U. It has inertia navigation, no base station control and no sensors. It can only be directed to hit some coordinate place. It will hit it with the expected precision of 150 m. Using two Tochkas, you get the precision to something like 50 m. It is enough for a fixed place, but the chances of hitting a moving train are meager. All the train needs to do is to get an alert and to slow down or speed up and your estimated place where the train should be when the missile hits will be wrong.
“I would expect the body with the larger surface area, and hence with the larger wind resistance, to slow its forward motion more rapidly. Hence it would fall short of the impact point of the other body.”
I will explain this to you. Air resistance is a friction force and a friction force is proportional to area A. Additionally air resistance is proportional to a power of velocity, often we can approximate this dependency as v^4, but let it be more generally a function f(v). When a friction force affects for some time dt the body moves some distance ds and makes work. Thus, we can write the amount of work done by the friction force in the time dt as
dW=CAf(t)dt
where A is the surface area, C is a constant, f(v)=v^4 or a better approximaiton, and dt is the time differential.
This work done comes from the kinetic energy of the moving body. The moving body loses some velocity, it loses -dv of velocity (the sign chosen so that -dv is positive)
dE=(1/2)mv^2-(1/2)m(v+dv)^2=-mvdv
You set the lost energy equal to the made work:
CAf(v)dt=-mvdy
and you get dv/dt= =( Cf(v)/v ) (A/m)
Here you see the proportion of the surface area A to the mass m (or weight gm, if you prefer).
Let us use a ball of radius r, so A=4 pi r^2 and m= rho (4/3) pi r^3.
Thus, (A/m)= C1 (1/r)
where C1 is a constant. This means that the horizontal velocity component w of the body has the
time derivative dw/dt which is proportional to 1/r. A larger ball loses less of its energy due to
air friction and therefore it goes further.
Is this clear to you now? This is basic physics.
是的，在俄语中是 为儿童，但在乌克兰语中是 为儿童，一个细微但至关重要的区别。
Two apologies. See #104
Firstly, a complaint.
If I am not allowed to use my own name which does not correspond with “my usual handle” and I am asked to modify it to “Anon”, why is my comment then deleted so I have to re write it all over again?
THIS IS FING ANNOYING.
Now, my comment.
Z is not interested in how many UA die in Azovstal etc as he has strategic, not tactical, goals. He understands that the more UA that die, the more likely it is that the EU / NATO will get involved, which is his goal. I say “his goal”, but clearly, all Ukrainian affairs have been in Nuland’s tender care ever since she decided alongside Pyke, that “Yats was our man” when Maidan fist kicked off this generational war against Russia.
As to why the UA were not withdrawn westwards, so as to avoid the inevitable massacre, hopefully with thermobaric hardware, it is because Z knows from Russia’s endlessly-repeated statements that they are not interested in subjugating or colonizing Ukraine; rather, with simply liberating Donbass, and securing its independence alongside that of Crimea. And so any westwards-withdrawn UA would be left alone in their trenches for as long as they wished to live in them.
我不“相信”乌克兰或俄罗斯方面。 如果您阅读我的评论，您会看到我对克拉马托尔斯克火车站袭击事件是由俄罗斯实施的极端怀疑。 我也怀疑 Rooski Fanboyz 坚持认为这是乌克兰的假旗攻击。 关于布查（和其他地方），有太多证据表明俄罗斯军队对乌克兰平民实施暴行，但我毫不怀疑乌克兰军队处决了他们认为与俄罗斯入侵者合作的乌克兰人。 如果你是战争史的学生，你就会明白它一直都是这样，令人厌烦的现实是，一方声称他们的人是基督般的无辜者，而另一方是撒旦的恶魔。
And most Ukrainians are fluent in Russian.
Looks like you’re clueless about Chechnya.
Who do you think it is represented by the face in the flag? My guess is you’re so wrong.
The Russian could produce affidavits signed by God Himself, and the Western MSM vermin would declare God a ‘Putin groupy’.
他们从来没有信誉。 他们现在才勉强承认二战后在印度尼西亚犯下的大规模暴行。 还有洛克比闹剧。
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and a few others. You’re a bell-wether, too, Wizz, in the negative direction. In fact that is the essence of my worldview, not those to whom I give credence, but the armies of liars and hypocrites who illuminate the truth, incidentally, as that which falls outside the pitch darkness of their lies.
Fair enough, I could just about understand you to be a perverted ballsedup reincarnation of Karl Popper.
This story is a joke ? This Ritter guy actually thinks this was a real attack ?