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在学术界沉默了 20 年之后,内森·科夫纳斯 (Nathan Cofnas) 写了一篇 全面批判性审查 of 批判文化 在学术场所。 我一直在等待这种情况发生,并开始认为它永远不会发生。 学者们希望他们的工作得到认真对待,而诚实的学者们则重视学术辩论的艰难和跌宕起伏。 但我得到的是沉默,或者像史蒂文平克那样的评论,他被列在 Cofnas 评论的致谢部分,说它低于学术兴趣的门槛——而且他没有读过它。[1]凯文·麦克唐纳 ([电子邮件保护]) 是加州州立大学长滩分校的心理学名誉教授。

我的书具有煽动性,我知道这一点。 什么开始是关于人类群体如何成为自然选择工具的理论想法(当时属于异端,仍然有争议但越来越受人尊敬[2]例如,文化群体选择是文化进化协会成员普遍持有的观点。 我的理论可以追溯到 1980 年代初期,一直强调文化因素,特别是规范行为的社会控制和意识形态,从维护欧洲文化中的一夫一妻制开始(例如,这里)。 这进一步讨论了斯巴达人,因为它展示了我后来称之为群体进化策略(在第 8 章) 社会和人格发展:进化综合 (纽约:全会,1988 年)。 然后我决定对犹太教进行类似的处理,并于 1991 年开始研究它。) 变成了一个改变生活的项目。 由于沉默,我的反应是继续扩展我的想法并将它们保留在那里,以便人们可以自己判断。 我更希望成为一名享有盛誉的受人尊敬的学者,参加会议并只撰写学术论文和书籍。 但是体面是不可能的,所以我决定继续在学术领域之外的这个领域写作。

因此,我成为了一名激进的知识分子——有人可能会说,追随我工作中讨论的许多犹太知识分子的脚步,但完全在学术体系之外。 被人类行为和进化协会赶出并被我的大学排斥,[3]Cofnas 提出以下声明:

18 年前采用的策略——宣布他的作品是反犹太主义的和/或没有达到引起学术关注的门槛——具有双重不幸的效果,即恐吓对犹太人进化和行为主题有合法兴趣的学者,以及在一些外行人中产生一种看法——即使这是错误的——麦克唐纳正在受到学术界的迫害。

事实上,我正因为这个词的任何普通含义而受到学术界的迫害。 在 Cofnas 提到的 Shulevitz 争议之后,我参加了一个专门讨论我在人类行为和进化协会 2000 年会议上的工作的小组。 很吵,有很多非常强烈的反对我的工作,随之而来的是其他官员和其他社会知名人士的冷遇(我当时担任秘书一职)。 此后我再也没有感到受欢迎。 尽管我在著名的学术期刊上至少被黑过一次,但我确实设法继续在著名的甚至著名的学术场所发表关于人格、发展心理学、文化进化理论和智力进化的研究。 在南方贫困法律中心的海蒂·贝里奇 (Heidi Beirich) 访问之后,我的大学在 2006-07 年开始发生的事件更为痛苦,后来反诽谤联盟的一名代表也加入了进来。 这开始了许多 CSULB 教员的排斥和强烈敌意的过程,在大学维护的教员电子邮件列表服务器上表达了这一点,以及学术部门和学术参议院的谴责决议。
我决定推开信封。 我开始写一些博客 我的网站 与我关于犹太教的三本书和其他与进化心理学相关的主题有关。 然后,在 2008 年,我开始 西方观察家 我可以让其他作家参与进来 . 几年后,我接手了编辑工作 西方季刊 并且很自豪多年来发表了许多具有学术质量的文章,其中许多是博士论文。 可悲的是,大多数作家都为两者 总质量 由于大学(和私营部门)对任何反对种族和民族现状的人的恐怖统治,他们不得不保持匿名。

我积极行动的一个主要原因是因为我在写三部曲时所做的阅读,特别是 独居的人 是关于犹太教如何在传统社会中运作的,以及 分离及其不满 本质上是关于传统社会中的反犹太主义。 有人可能会说这是大坝上的水,但是人们可能会分析过去反犹太主义的原因。 但是,在阅读关于犹太激进主义在过去一个世纪中所扮演的角色时,情况发生了变化。 像精神分析这样被误导的知识分子运动可能会被成功地反驳并最终被搁置一旁——就像精神分析那样。 灾难性的政治冒险,如共产主义,最终可能会在造成难以言喻的恐怖和畸形的大屠杀后自我毁灭。 然而,移民政策的影响对整个西方来说都是紧迫而关键的问题。 正如我在第 7 章开头提到的 联合会:

移民政策是族群之间利益冲突的典型例子,因为移民政策决定了国家未来的人口构成。 无法为自己的利益影响移民政策的种族群体最终将被能够实现这一目标的群体所取代。 因此,移民政策是进化论者的根本利益所在。

换句话说,我开始认为自己在这场战斗中拥有一只狗。 从进化的角度来看,正在发生的事情对西方白人来说是一场灾难。 正如弗兰克·索尔特 (Frank Salter) 所表明的那样,种族流离失所就像减少了一个大家庭或其他血统——健康状况急剧下降[4]弗兰克·K·索尔特, 关于遗传利益:大规模移民时代的家庭、种族和亲属关系 (伦敦:Routledge,2006)。 这与自然界中一个物种或亚种被另一个物种或亚种的取代没有什么不同。 这是行动中的自然选择(尽管人们不愿将有意识的工程过程称为“自然”),因为其他民族的基因频率、基因组合和生物文化特征相对于西欧国家的土著民族也有所增加作为他们在北美、澳大利亚和新西兰的后代。

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所以我非常有动力继续我的工作,即使是在学术环境之外。 而且,正如 Cofnas 所指出的,这些书变得有影响力——尤其是 联合会. 我认为这很大程度上是因为我新发现的激进主义旨在建立观众并继续扩展三部曲,但也因为没有任何值得注意的批评。 缺乏可信的批评造成了一些反常现象:现在被称为另类右翼的运动——从左到右被所有机构诋毁的运动——正在拥抱主流学术出版商出版的一本关于犹太激进主义的学术书籍这在学术界从未得到过适当的听证。 有人会认为,学术界会对这样一本书下手,利用其所有的声望和媒体渠道来根除这种异端邪说。 但没什么。 因此,它继续恶化并受到欢迎。

无论人们如何看待这个答复,我都欢迎有机会做出回应。 坦率地说,理性的交流早就该进行了。

 

我在这里的程序是按照 Cofnas 在评论中出现的相同顺序对每一个实质性问题做出回应。 我不回应人身攻击。 尽管如此,还是有几点需要说明。

  1. Cofnas 的大部分批评都依赖于我认为犹太社区是整体的这一主张。 因此,他一再举出反对犹太人或参与我所讨论的犹太运动的人(例如,对以色列的犹太批评家、对左派的犹太批评家)的各种知识和政治观点的犹太人的例子。 相反,正如下面将显而易见的,我认为犹太社区具有重要的观点多样性。 然而,我这本书的目的是研究具有影响力的运动,并确定犹太人在这些运动中的角色。 这完全符合一些犹太人的异议。

因此,尽管该理论是可证伪的(例如,通过表明这些运动在任何有趣的意义上都不是犹太人,或者它们实际上没有任何权力或影响),但不能通过提供个别反例来证伪。

  1. Cofnas 在几个地方将我的观点描述为指出一些非犹太人参与犹太运动的事实意味着犹太人的操纵、马基雅维利主义,或者他们被盲目灌输(例如,玛格丽特米德作为弗朗茨博阿斯的“傀儡”)。 这些都是误传。 我的观点是,参与犹太运动的非犹太人可能有多种动机,从真诚的信仰(可能是出于他们自己对运动所攻击的文化规范的独立衍生的敌意)到赤裸裸的自我利益(非-通过参与看到职业机会的犹太人)。 后者没有讨论的一个很好的例子 联合会 是由资金充足的智库和游说团体组成的新保守主义基础设施,不仅在这些智库和游说团体中,而且在政府、媒体和大学中,都有多种获得职业的机会(此处,第 11-12 页)。 但即使参加这样的运动有物质回报,也并不意味着参与的非犹太人不真诚地坚持他们的信仰。
  2. 一般来说,鉴于环境的变化,犹太人对任何特定想法或事业的支持对每一代人的感知利益都很敏感。 Cofnas 对犹太人的利益有一个静态的、非历史性的概念,例如,假设支持犹太复国主义对犹太群体利益和自我认同至关重要,因为政治犹太复国主义的起源或可能是自散居的起源(传统的犹太短语:“下一步年在耶路撒冷”)。 相反,正如此处多处讨论的那样,犹太人对犹太复国主义、激进左派或特定政府等事业的支持是有历史的——有开始、有中间,而且往往是结束。 如果说犹太人在整个历史上的特征是一件事,那就是他们一直是进化生物学家理查德·亚历山大所说的“灵活的战略家”。[5]理查德·亚历山大 达尔文主义与人类事务 (西雅图:华盛顿大学出版社,1979 年;适用于犹太群体,请参见此处,第 5 页和第 1 章 一个人一个人住:犹太教作为一个群体的进化策略. 没有理由认为未来不会继续。
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1. Cofnas声称如果他成功反驳 联合会,他实际上也会反驳前两本书(此处此处)。 这是不正确的。 事实上,这三本书在理论上是完全不同的,讨论的是完全不同的数据集。 一个人一个人住 在传统社会中发展了一种犹太教理论,该理论基于人类能够创造“生活实验”的想法,例如,可以在他们自己和周围社会之间建立障碍,以优生的方式构建交配机会,以及结构内部关系。犹太人社区以及犹太人与非犹太人之间。 联合会 可能完全被误导,但所有声明都在 一个人一个人住 真实的。

也可以这样说 分离及其不满 其价值取决于理论框架的充分性(社会认同理论,尽管在 联合会, 对那项工作几乎不是必需的,当然也不会受到 Cofnas 的质疑)以及我使用历史资料的准确性。 再次, 联合会 可能会完全被误导,而 分离及其不满 完全有效。

2. Cofnas 提出了犹太人参与 XNUMX 世纪自由主义运动的“默认假设”,即: 由于犹太人的智慧和地理——尤其是智力——犹太人可能在任何不公开反犹太主义的知识运动或活动中的人数过多。” 我接受阿什肯纳兹平均智商高的观点,尤其是语言智商,尽管我尊重 Richard Lynn 对均值的研究; 我对 Cochran 和 Harpending 的批评是 此处. 因此,我预计犹太人在知识分子运动中的人数过多,我们可以就此搁置。 然而,尝试更雄心勃勃的事情并没有错,例如探索这些知识分子如何看待他们的行为(动机)并通过询问诸如种族网络是否重要(正如贯穿整个犹太历史)和是否可以概括这些运动的领导人(大师现象)以及他们如何处理异议。 我同意,一般来说,出于显而易见的原因,犹太人不会被那些把犹太人置于坏处的理论所吸引; 事实上,关于所讨论的理论的犹太人动机的一个主要观点是反对反犹太主义。 此外,如下所述,在一些不会或至少不一定会贬低犹太人的理论和文化趋势中,犹太人的代表性不足——例如,民粹主义、古保守主义和欧洲民族文化的推广。

这是一般框架(来自 平装版序言 批判文化,2002):

(1.) 找出由犹太人主导的有影响力的运动,并不意味着所有或大多数犹太人都参与了这些运动,也没有限制运动的内容。 例如,我谈到了犹太新保守主义,它在某些方面与我讨论的其他运动有所不同[后来扩展为 长篇论文 使用相同的框架 联合会]。 一般来说,参与这些运动的犹太人相对较少,而且相当多的犹太人可能不知道他们的存在。 即使是犹太左翼激进主义——当然是 XNUMX 世纪最广泛和最有影响力的犹太亚文化——在大多数时期也可能是美国和其他西方社会犹太社区中的少数派运动。 因此,当我批评这些运动时,我不一定是在批评大多数犹太人。 尽管如此,这些运动还是有影响力的,而且他们的动机是犹太人。

(2.) 确定这些运动的犹太参与者是否被认定为犹太人 认为他们参与该运动是为了推进特定的犹太人利益。 参与可能是无意识的或涉及自欺欺人,但在大多数情况下,为这些命题找到证据是非常容易和直接的。 如果我认为自欺欺人很重要(就像许多犹太激进分子的情况一样),那么我提供的证据表明,他们确实认定自己是犹太人,并且尽管表面上看起来相反,但他们对犹太人问题深感关切。 …

(3.) 尝试衡量这些运动对外邦社会的影响。 请记住,由犹太人主导的知识分子或政治运动的影响与参与该运动或支持该运动的犹太社区的百分比无关。 [例如,犹太复国主义是一种犹太人运动,在以色列建立之前,它并不是犹太人社区中的多数观点。 尽管如此,它仍然具有影响力(例如,获得贝尔福宣言,迫使杜鲁门总统承认以色列)。]

(4.)试图表明非犹太人对这些运动的反应-例如,他们是反犹太主义的根源吗?

我讨论的一些运动在社会科学中非常有影响力。 然而,我并不认为没有犹太人擅长社会科学,事实上 [在第 2 章中] 我提供了一份在我看来不符合上述 (2) 中概述的条件的杰出犹太社会科学家名单。

该框架将在随后的讨论中有用。 无论如何,默认位置就是这样。 简化理论当然有其优点,但通常可以说的更多。 当然,我有责任证明一个更复杂的理论对我们所看到的东西给出了更深层次的解释。

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3. Cofnas 声称我没有提供证据表明参与特定知识运动的犹太人经常不遗余力地招募非犹太人作为该运动的明显领导者。 我将在他对博阿斯的详细评论中讨论这个问题,在那里我还提到了弗洛伊德和左派激进主义。 然而,这种现象远远超出了本书所讨论的知识分子和政治运动。 咖啡馆 在第6章中 分离及其不满 (pp. 193–196) 我讨论了几个历史例子,从十五世纪西班牙宗教裁判所时期的新基督徒开始。 犹太组织在 1870 年至 1933 年期间在德国建立和维护由异教徒主导的反对反犹太主义的组织方面发挥了积极作用,并在 1930 年代向英国的反法西斯候选人提供没有任何来源迹象的材料方面发挥了积极作用。 在美国,我引用历史学家霍华德·萨查尔 (Howard Sachar) 的话说,他讨论了“非犹太人的‘前沿’委员会,在这些委员会中,犹太人在未来几年将证明非常擅长。” 包括反对沙皇俄国、支持自由移民政策、将基督教从公共广场上移除、社会主义和共产主义运动(后者在第 3 章中有所扩展)等领域。 联合会)。 同样,我还引用了研究表明,在古代世界,有一整套由犹太人伪装成外邦人写的道歉文学。

正如我在 分离及其不满,这样的策略具有极好的心理意义:

从进化的角度来看,其目的是让犹太人的事业看起来也符合他人的利益。 当目标以种族或民族的形式提出时,它们不太可能吸引群体之外的人。 事实上,这种明显自利的目标很可能会提醒局外人注意内群体和外群体之间的利益冲突。 另一方面,社会心理学的一个标准发现是,当目标是由相似的其他人所倡导的,或者当目标被认为是为了所有人的利益而不是为了外群体的利益时,人们更有可能做出积极的反应,正如社会认同理论和遗传相似理论所预测的那样(见第 1 章)。

4. Cofnas 声称我挑选了一些例子并忽略了不符合我的理论的例子,指出了 Noam Chomsky 和 ​​Karl Marx 等例子。 然而,如上所述,并不意味着所有犹太人(或所有著名的犹太人)都适合特定的模式。 事实上,在 XNUMX 世纪早期的几十年里,犹太社区内部强烈反对犹太复国主义,其动机是牢固地基于犹太历史的恐惧,即散居的犹太人中的犹太复国主义会被他们的同胞视为不忠诚(见标题为“犹太复国主义作为一种危险的策略”和“犹太复国主义极端主义成为主流”犹太复国主义与犹太教的内部动力,”220-228)。 乔姆斯基的立场一直在犹太主流之外,尽管最近一些自由派犹太人积极反对当今以色列存在的犹太复国主义的核心特征(例如,菲利普·韦斯(Philip Weiss) Mondoweiss),犹太和平之声,J 街)。

像乔姆斯基一样,这些犹太人倾向于左翼,普遍认为当代左派的多元文化和谐理想(他们支持)与以色列压迫巴勒斯坦人的现实之间存在冲突。 对以色列的支持肯定是左倾。 例如,2018 年的 AIPAC 大会有许多杰出的政治家——像往常一样,但比平时更强调民主党政治家——大概是为了在民主党内支持对以色列的支持(见 Philip Weiss,“舒默和德姆斯在 AIPAC 超越特朗普——没有和平,因为“巴勒斯坦人不相信托拉””)。 然而,党内对以色列的反对是 成长,有比以往更多的声音愿意拒绝 AIPAC 路线。 反对以色列在英国也变得相当重要 工党 (经常 被诋毁为“反犹太主义”)

还值得注意的是,尽管自美国犹太人建立以色列以来一直对以色列达成实质性共识,但以色列游说团体通过惩罚持不同政见者来维持犹太社区的一部分,从而维持了这种共识(见 此处, 此处, 此处)——犹太社区内非常传统的控制机制,见第 7 章 一个人一个人住. 尽管如此,异议是 成长 在犹太社区内。

但是,与往常一样,重要的问题不是计算人头数——即使是像乔姆斯基这样的杰出人物——而是确定影响在哪里,在撰写本文时,没有迹象表明该影响力正在减弱。 以色列大堂 和美国政治精英的主要犹太捐助者。 这些捐助者的集体捐款与其人数远远不成比例,其中许多人众所周知是以色列的坚定支持者。 在美国,捐助者喜欢 哈姆萨班 (“一个单调的人,单调是以色列”)和谢尔顿·阿德尔森,民主党和共和党的杰出捐助者,他们的主要动机是支持亲以色列的政策。 但他们并不孤单。 在一个 名单 “在 50 和超级政治行动委员会的前 527 名捐助者中,36 位共和党大人物中有 14 位是犹太人,而在 XNUMX 位民主党人中,只有一位是犹太人。 不能 犹太人。” 民主党基本上是由犹太人资助的,犹太人对共和党的捐款太大了,以至于政客们寻求更高的职位都不能忽视。 特朗普总统最大的捐助者是谢尔登·阿德尔森(至少 25 万美元),“长期以来,他在政治计算中优先考虑以色列。” 阿德尔森是 知名 影响了美国大使馆迁往耶路撒冷,最近 最多线路 为此举提供资金。 菲利普·魏斯 提示 阿德尔森的钱是最近任命迈克庞培为国务卿的幕后推手。

关于马克思,我简要讨论了马克思在建国之初是反犹主义者的看法。 章节 3 其主题是“接受激进的普世主义意识形态和参与激进的普世主义运动是否与犹太人认同相容。” 正如我在那里指出的那样,无论马克思的观点如何,它们对于理解本书所涵盖的时间跨度(~1900-1970 年)内犹太人参与左翼的情况并不重要,总的来说,该章的要点是犹太左翼分子倾向于强烈的犹太人认同感,并且非常关注反犹太主义(马克思可能不是这种情况)。 这些左派在任何意义上都不是反犹太主义者。

不过,值得注意的是,约翰·默里·库迪希 (John Murray Cuddihy) 文明的考验 被反复引用 联合会,为马克思的作品提供了一种人们可能称之为深刻的犹太结构的东西。[6]约翰·默里·库迪希 文明的考验:弗洛伊德、马克思、列维-斯特劳斯和犹太人与现代性的斗争 (纽约:基本书籍,1974 年)。 在他生命的尽头,我与库迪希通信。 他很高兴看到我发现他的作品很有用,我认为这表明他觉得他的书被忽视了,没有得到应有的关注。 也许他写了一本关于解放后犹太人的精彩著作,却发现它基本上被后来的学者忽视了这一事实,这在我决定继续在学术环境之外推广我的工作中发挥了作用。 例如:

马克思主义的“最后胜利”是马克思拒绝对犹太人的经济行为进行补救和道歉的解读,以毫不尴尬的直率来描述它,结果却转过身来,把这个粗鲁的犹太教变成了真正的东西()戈伊姆的资产阶级文明。 未能理解马克思信念中的种子——外邦人与犹太人一样贪婪,剥夺了他的升华和修养——仅对犹太人是一种冒犯。 “基督教,”马克思写道,“只是在表面上战胜了真正的犹太教。 它太精致了,太灵性了,除了将它提升到蓝色之外,无法消除实际需求的粗糙。 基督教是犹太教的崇高思想,犹太教是基督教的庸俗实际应用。”

像神学一样,散居地巨人的社会学应对痛苦、苦难和邪恶的问题。 每一个都赋予意义,从而“解决” 楚里斯 加卢特,解放的地位丧失,“同化”(“模仿”)的屈辱,被定义为“原始人”的尴尬。 如果,正如 EM Forster 所说,“粗糙揭示; 粗俗隐藏,”弗洛伊德、马克思和列维-施特劳斯努力重新定义 Ostjude:他变成了——就像卢梭的“自然”人——批判犹太人(和外邦人)新秀的工具。 他可能是一个“原始人”和粗鲁的人; 他并不虚伪(弗洛伊德的“诚实的种族”)。[7]同上。,160-161。
(约翰·默里·库迪希, 文明的考验:弗洛伊德、马克思、列维-斯特劳斯和犹太人与现代性的斗争 (纽约:基本书籍,1974 年)。 在他生命的尽头,我与库迪希通信。 他很高兴看到我发现他的作品很有用,我认为这表明他觉得他的书被忽视了,没有得到应有的关注。 也许他写了一本关于解放后犹太人的精彩著作,却发现它基本上被后来的学者忽视了这一事实,这在我决定继续在学术环境之外推广我的工作中发挥了作用。)
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当犹太人在物理上位于欧洲的外围,被困在苍白的阴影中时,这种道德优越感和道德纯粹主义的地方性主张是空间局外人,地理上的地方性的主张。 随着欧洲的解放,这种道德主义的轴心从水平面转向了垂直面,一方面分裂为改革犹太教的至高无上的“外邦人使命”,另一方面分裂为马克思的社会底层和弗洛伊德的底层。的个性。 在每一种情况下,无产阶级和本我都被赋予了对虚伪的、甚至优越的西方文明的颠覆性的纯粹道德批判。[8]同上。184。
(约翰·默里·库迪希, 文明的考验:弗洛伊德、马克思、列维-斯特劳斯和犹太人与现代性的斗争 (纽约:基本书籍,1974 年)。 在他生命的尽头,我与库迪希通信。 他很高兴看到我发现他的作品很有用,我认为这表明他觉得他的书被忽视了,没有得到应有的关注。 也许他写了一本关于解放后犹太人的精彩著作,却发现它基本上被后来的学者忽视了这一事实,这在我决定继续在学术环境之外推广我的工作中发挥了作用。)
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要了解西方文明的本质,我们必须……去见西方那些未同化的、顽固的犹太人、马克思、弗洛伊德、列维-施特劳斯、哈里沃尔夫森,以及那些表现出原则性的人。以及对整个西方“东西”的顽固抵抗。 这些骄傲的贱民 经验 西方文明是一种隐姓埋名或世俗化的基督教形式,因此他们公开抵制它 因此.[9]同上 231; 强调原文。
(约翰·默里·库迪希, 文明的考验:弗洛伊德、马克思、列维-斯特劳斯和犹太人与现代性的斗争 (纽约:基本书籍,1974 年)。 在他生命的尽头,我与库迪希通信。 他很高兴看到我发现他的作品很有用,我认为这表明他觉得他的书被忽视了,没有得到应有的关注。 也许他写了一本关于解放后犹太人的精彩著作,却发现它基本上被后来的学者忽视了这一事实,这在我决定继续在学术环境之外推广我的工作中发挥了作用。)

再一次,没有什么真正取决于马克思是否认定为犹太人或认为自己在促进犹太人的利益。 然而,我同意 Cuddihy 的评估,并得出结论,马克思的著作确实暗示了至少与 咖啡馆

关于索罗斯,他没有被提及的原因有两个:在 1990 年代中期写这本书时,他没有成为今天的左翼标志性资助者。 此外,索罗斯的行为与当今许多左翼犹太活动家的行为是一致的:在整个侨民中大力支持移民和多元文化,并批评以色列(见上文)。 我从来没有读过任何关于索罗斯的犹太人身份以及他如何看待他作为犹太人的行为的任何内容,但会对此感兴趣。 无论对此有何发现,它都不会影响有关犹太知识分子和政治运动的材料——特别是犹太人在改变美国移民政策和促进多元文化方面的作用,当然也包括在 联合会. 再说一次,我从不认为犹太人在任何问题上都是铁板一块。

Cofnas:“同样有问题的是,在许多情况下,麦克唐纳没有报告他认为是种族活动家的犹太人反对以色列和其他犹太人的利益(再次,用麦克唐纳的术语将“犹太人利益”定义为种族自我保护)。 ”

同样,对以色列的支持并不是犹太人在任何特定时间如何看待他们的种族利益的同义词,而且可能从未有过一致的时候。 在第二次世界大战结束之前,犹太人对犹太民族国家的支持是犹太人的少数观点,而今天犹太人在散居地中对以色列的支持正在下降——在自由派/左派犹太人中尤其明显。 这可能有很多原因,从崇高的理想主义到担心以色列的政策从长远来看对以色列和犹太人的利益将是灾难性的。

5. Cofnas:“许多 XNUMX 世纪的犹太人表面上放弃了他们的犹太人身份并寻求同化。 麦克唐纳指出,这些犹太人通常不支持外邦民族主义运动——他承认这是反犹太主义的——他认为这证明这些犹太人在同化的愿望上是不真诚的,实际上是在参与“犹太秘密”(他的学期)。”

Cofnas 没有给出这方面的例子,无论是从 联合会 或我的 其他写作,尽管在后来的一段话中他声称我归因于 对法兰克福学派杰出人物的隐秘(下文讨论)。 结果,我无法反驳。 然而,在 2016 年,我写了一篇关于如果犹太人表示有兴趣帮助 Alt Right 应该如何对待他们的文章(参见“Jews and the Alt Right”一节Alt Right 和犹太人“),我有几位犹太作家为 西方观察家 (例如, 马库斯·阿莱西亚博士:“作为一名支持特朗普和特朗普主义、欧洲新右派以及任何关心大规模移民长期影响的美国人(第一)和犹太人(第二),我希望看到更多的犹太人,尤其是年轻的 Z 世代犹太人转向我们的意识形态方面。” 我非常高兴欢迎这样的人。

6 Cofnas 声称我歪曲了消息来源但推迟了示例。 我将在他的具体评论中讨论这些问题。

7. Cofnas 声称我的理论不能被证伪,因为“从来没有提供任何证据来证明该理论是不利的。” Cofnas 如此断言是因为他并没有真正理解我在说什么。 同样,有不同的犹太人群体。 他提出了我在第 8 章中简要讨论的平权行动。然而,我在第 8 章中提出的观点是,在一个多元文化的社会中,由于不同的族群具有不同的才能和能力,因此在平权行动等问题上会有分歧。 一般在 联合会 我试图描述被认为具有影响力的不同派别,并试图了解犹太人的影响力在特定领域是否重要。 但在平权行动的情况下,我从来没有检查过不同种类的犹太激进主义的相对重要性,投票一直在平权行动辩论中,所以不想发表评论。 我在那里列为反对平权行动的个别犹太人甚至犹太组织可能代表也可能不代表整个犹太社区。 同样,在伊拉克战争之前,有相当多的(我认为是决定性的: 此处, 此处, 此处) 受到新保守主义者和像 AIPAC 这样的犹太组织的影响,但民意调查显示大多数犹太人反对战争。

如上所述,与我的论点相反的是表明我对特定主张是错误的——例如,精神分析是一种犹太运动,或者犹太人和有组织的犹太社区(不是所有犹太人)在影响美国移民政策方面根本不是决定性的,或者我误解了这些运动的内部动态(例如,对待异议者,大师现象)。 Cofnas 甚至没有开始解决这些问题中的任何一个。 的论文 联合会 是非常可证伪的。

该理论是否在 联合会 预测? 预测能力被认为是科学理论的黄金标准。 然而,请考虑在启蒙运动后的西方发展犹太人群体行为的预测理论的困难,即在对传统社会典型的个体犹太人行为的强大社区控制失效之后。 在犹太群体中,犹太人的身份存在很大差异,从高度忠诚的活动家到因个人原因(例如,精神病问题或与犹太社区的不良经历)而未参与其中的犹太人,或者他们可能因为以下原因与非犹太人有家庭联系通婚或他们在种族中心主义方面较低。 犹太社区的激进分子往往被最强烈地认同,并将成为 主力军 绘制整个社区的方向,并且在有组织的犹太社区之间通常或多或少地就移民或以色列等特定问题达成共识,尽管有一些强烈认同的犹太人反对这一共识(例如,斯蒂芬斯坦莱特关于移民 [此处, pp. iv–vi) 或 Philip Weiss on Zionism)。

但是,即使假设活动家之间就什么符合犹太人的利益达成了合理的共识,如果情况发生变化,这种共识也可能会改变。 活动人士可能会像 Steinlight 那样将穆斯林移民的影响评估为从长远来看会损害犹太人的利益,并且散居犹太人对以色列的共识可能会因多种原因而改变(例如,他们可能认为他们在西散居地的地位受到威胁)因为以色列的行为变得站不住脚,并且失去了非犹太人的支持)。 激进主义共识的这种变化可能是渐进的,正如犹太人对苏联的支持逐渐下降一样。 非犹太精英可能会开始看到,由于抵制、撤资和制裁运动的成功施压,他们的商业利益受到了损害,或者穆斯林可能开始在西方发挥真正的权力,这似乎是 发生 在英国

此外,共识可能并不完全合理。 很明显,散居国外的许多激进犹太人(但绝不是全部)无论如何都会支持以色列,而与此同时,以色列越来越多地被极端民族主义者所主导,这些极端民族主义者一心要扩大目前的驱逐巴勒斯坦人的政策(参见,例如, 此处,第49-50; 此处)。 如果这些趋势继续加速,对散居的犹太人将会做什么的预测有点像预测 2030 年特定日期洛杉矶的天气。我很满意 联合会 作为对嵌入在进化框架内的犹太群体行为的一些重要例子的描述性历史描述,并就此止步。

8. Cofnas 声称我忽略了几个世纪以来的非犹太激进主义。 不对。 我所说的“本土批判文化“多年来一直是我的主要关注点(另见 此处, 此处此处)并将成为一本关于西方民族的书的核心部分(我的兴趣早于我对犹太教的兴趣;例如, 此处, 此处),我希望在今年完成。 我的观点是,因为西方人更个人主义(因此不那么以种族为中心),他们更容易持有这种观点,但在 XNUMX 世纪初期,基于达尔文的运动在社会科学中占据主导地位,并影响了美国的移民政策。 达尔文主义基本上被犹太人主导的运动摧毁了 联合会 只是随着 EO Wilson 的出版而以苍白的形式复活 社会生物学. 尽管如此,达尔文主义对整个社会科学和人文学科的影响仍然很小 . 我对此的论点在 我检讨 埃里克·考夫曼的 英美的兴衰 特别是在 我的交换 与作者。

第二章:博阿斯人类学学派与社会科学中达尔文主义的衰落 •2,400字

Cofnas:“MacDonald 认为 Boas 是一个强烈认同的犹太人,他追求(并歪曲)科学以防止反犹太主义。” 没错,但我为这些说法提供了证据。 这是本章的第一段:

几位作者评论了犹太人进入这些领域后社会科学的目标和方法发生的“根本变化”(Liebman 1973, 213;另见 Degler 1991;Hollinger 1996;Horowitz 1993, 75;Rothman & Lichter 1982)。 Degler (1991, 188ff) 指出,从达尔文主义作为社会科学的基本范式的转变源于意识形态的转变,而不是任何新的经验数据的出现。 他还指出,自 1930 年代以来,犹太知识分子在美国社会科学中达尔文主义和其他生物学观点的衰落中发挥了重要作用(第 200 页)。 长期以来,人们一直注意到犹太知识分子对达尔文主义的反对(Lenz 1931, 674;另见 John Maynard Smith 在 Lewin [1992, 43] 中的评论)。

Cofnas 是否驳斥了这些说法? 这些都是有信誉的来源,大多数是犹太人。 请特别注意德格勒:“鲍亚士在种族问题上对美国社会科学家的影响怎么夸大都不为过。” 在下面的段落中,我引用了欧文·霍洛维茨 (Irving Horowitz) 的类似社会学趋势:

二战前犹太知识分子的出现导致了“社会学创始人所不知道的政治化程度。 不仅马克思、韦伯和涂尔干的名字取代了查尔斯·达尔文和赫伯特·斯宾塞的名字,而且美国作为一种共识体验的意义让位于作为一系列相互矛盾的定义的美国”(霍洛维茨) 1993, 75)。 在二战后的时期,社会学“被犹太人所占据的程度如此之高,以至于笑话比比皆是:人们不需要犹太教堂, 民盐 [即,社区宗教服务所需的最少犹太人人数]将在社会学系中找到; 或者,人们不需要犹太人生活的社会学,因为两者已成为同义词”(Horowitz 1993, 77)。

至关重要的是犹太人在摆脱达尔文主义主导范式的转变中所扮演的角色。 这种转变的长期影响对西方历史具有不可估量的重要性。 一个典型的例子是,达尔文主义的消亡在关于移民的智力争论中至关重要。 例如,美国犹太人大会在其向国会发表的声明中引用了博阿斯,博阿斯人阿什利蒙塔古和玛格丽特米德在国会委员会作证,支持种族平等主义。 “到 1965 年,参议员雅各布·贾维茨(Jacob Javits)(ong 建议, 111, 1965, 24469) 可以在关于移民法案的辩论中自信地向参议院宣布,“我们良心的要求和社会学家的戒律都告诉我们,移民,因为它存在于原籍国配额系统中,是错误的并且没有任何理由或事实依据,因为我们比说一个人比另一个人更好,因为他的皮肤颜色更好”(见第 7 章)。 取消国籍配额制度意味着未来的移民不会偏向欧洲。 1924 年移民限制法所设想的种族现状迅速成为遥远的记忆。

达尔文范式的消亡也对 我的回信 上面提到的埃里克·考夫曼:

我的观点是,达尔文主义的黯然失色将英美的种族防御留给了宗教和大众运动,而这些无法主宰精英知识分子的话语、学术界或媒体。 这为纽约知识分子和其他左翼反 WASP 运动的胜利留下了巨大的机会。

如果达尔文主义赢得了知识制高点的战争,纽约知识分子和法兰克福学派隐含的意识形态信息,即 WASP 有放弃霸权的道德义务,这将是不可能的。 这就是为什么我(以及像 George Stocking 和 Carl Degler 这样的学者)强调 Boas——他在学术人类学上的胜利决定了达尔文主义的命运。

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Cofnas 抱怨说,我的一章作为一个整体“建议 [s] 博阿斯人是第一个将原始文化浪漫化为“田园诗般的”而不是受西方文明弊病影响的人。 实际上,在博亚士时代,这已经是 150 多年来许多外邦知识分子的一个主要主题。” 但从上面可以看出,这显然是无关紧要的。 关键是达尔文范式已经从社会科学中根除。 没有达尔文主义者会将非西方社会浪漫化,事实上,在第 2 章中,我注意到博阿斯人的胜利的结果是

当 Harry Turney-High 出版他的作品时 原始战争 1949 年,这本书记录了战争的普遍性及其通常令人敬畏的野蛮行为,但人类学界完全忽视了这本书——这是博阿斯派反对异见者的另一个例子,也是本卷评论的其他知识分子运动的特征。 Turney-High 关于非西方民族的大量数据与高度政治化的职业所偏爱的形象相冲突,该职业的成员只是将这些数据完全排除在知识讨论之外。 结果是“平静的过去”(Keeley 1996, 163ff)和“自责的态度”(p. 179),其中原始民族的行为被贬低,而欧洲人民的行为不仅被谴责为独特的邪恶但也为原始民族之间所有现存的战争例子负责。 从这个角度来看,正是欧洲文化的根本不足阻碍了一个没有群体间冲突的田园诗般的世界。

我很清楚,将非西方民族浪漫化的历史由来已久。 然而,这样的观点已经输给了达尔文主义者,只是被一个由强烈认同的犹太人主导的知识分子运动复活了,他们追求犹太人的利益:

正如 [Gelya] Frank (1997, 731) 指出的那样,“博阿斯人类学早期的犹太知识分子和后代人类学家的犹太人身份在该学科的标准历史中被淡化了。” 犹太人的认同和对感知到的犹太人利益的追求,特别是在倡导文化多元化的意识形态作为西方社会的典范方面,一直是美国人类学的“隐形主体”——之所以不可见,是因为其倡导者的种族认同和种族利益被掩盖了通过一种科学语言,在这种语言中,这种身份认同和利益是公开不合法的。

Cofnas 对我的证据没有异议,即 Boas 是一个强烈认同的犹太人,他认为自己的工作是在与反犹太主义作斗争,并且他的动机是对普鲁士贵族的仇恨。

关于玛格丽特·米德 (Margaret Mead) 和露丝·本尼迪克 (Ruth Benedict),首先要说明的是,无论他们的动机如何,他们都不会怀疑本章的基本论点——远离达尔文主义的转变从根本上是博厄斯和他的门徒的计划。 没有审查过的知识分子运动 联合会 完全由犹太人组成,我在几个地方讨论了参与这些运动的非犹太人的动机问题,主要提出了三个兼容的原因:认同一个认为自己是受压迫的、受进化影响的社会学习机制的群体哪些杰出人物受到尊敬和钦佩,以及那些加入该运动的人可获得的物质奖励(见第 1 章)。

我在一篇文章中扩展了这些想法“为什么教授是自由主义者” 在其中我使用 Neil Gross 和 Ethan Fosse 的工作作为理解成功智力运动特征的框架。[10]Neil Gross 和 Ethan Fosse,“为什么教授是自由派? 理论与社会 4(2012):127–168。

(1) 参与运动的人有过投诉(反犹太主义、文化排斥); (2) 他们能够形成有凝聚力、有效的网络; (3) 他们可以进入最负盛名的学术机构。

不难看出 联合会 为我讨论的运动提供支持所有这三个标准的证据 . 此外,一篇题为“教授为什么是自由主义者”的论文指出,在 1960 年代犹太人在学术界占据主导地位后不久,其他对美国文化不满的团体被招募到各个部门,主要由反对他们特定抱怨的活动家组成(妇女和性别研究,民族研究)。 同样,学术界之外的犹太团体也做了一个重大项目 结盟 与非白人团体合作,以促进他们在多元文化美国的利益。

然而,并不是每个人都需要投诉。 在第 2 章中,我引用了 Carl Degler 对 Boasian Alfred Kroeber 的评价:“与 Boas 动机的意识形态和政治基础相反,Kroeber 激进的环保主义和对文化概念的捍卫'完全是理论性和专业性的'(Degler 1991, 90)。”

尽管 Cofnas 声称,但有证据表明,Boas “出于担心‘他的犹太人身份会使他的科学显得偏袒党派,从而受到损害’而招募外邦人加入他的运动,”引用约翰 M. 埃夫隆 (John M. Efron) 的话说 种族捍卫者:世纪末欧洲的犹太医生和种族科学。[11]约翰·M·埃夫隆, 种族捍卫者:世纪末欧洲的犹太医生和种族科学 (纽黑文:耶鲁大学出版社,1994),180。 弗洛伊德也是如此(用一位学者的话来说,“粗略地说,弗洛伊德需要一个同性恋者”[(Chapter 4, 114])和许多激进的左翼分子(他们经常觉得自己的处境格格不入)本质上是一个犹太环境;第 3 章,71-72)。

所以我们可以假设博厄斯很高兴让米德成为他运动的代言人。 两个都 蜂蜜酒本笃 是性不循规蹈矩的人(和情人),很可能主要是因为他们认为美国的性习俗具有压迫性,或者他们认为美国社会普遍歧视女性。 米德也非常雄心勃勃,很可能将博阿斯视为可以促进她职业生涯的人——他确实做到了。 我引用本尼迪克特的话说,我们应该研究其他文化,以便“对我们自己文明的主要特征做出判断”——这很可能是对同性恋宽容的恳求。

无论如何,我从未声称米德和本尼迪克特是博阿斯的“傀儡”。 我确实声称米德做了劣质甚至不诚实的工作,引用了几个来源,并且从这些其他来源中出现的萨摩亚社会更符合关于性的进化观点。

Cofnas 继续讨论犹太人在为种族差异研究创造禁忌方面的作用:“麦克唐纳忽略了这样一个事实,即有影响力的外邦人在研究种族智力差异的环保主义者中得到了很好的代表,而犹太人在著名的遗传学家中的代表人数明显过多。” 这扭曲了第 2 章中提出的观点。 作为一名发展心理学家和进化论的文化理论家,我一直接受 环境影响的重要性,我注意到在世袭和非犹太人中,有一些著名的犹太人批评世袭立场。 我承认

这些[犹太]发展心理生物学家的非常重要的贡献以及他们对环境在行为发展中的作用的强调——这一传统在发展心理学中仍然有影响力,这些传统在几位理论家的著作中都有影响,包括艾伦福格尔、理查德勒纳、阿诺德萨梅洛夫和埃丝特·塞伦。 此外,必须承认,一些犹太人一直是进化思维的重要贡献者,因为它适用于人类以及人类行为遗传学,包括 Daniel G. Freedman、Richard Herrnstein、Seymour Itzkoff [包括我的三部曲在内的 Praeger 系列的编辑]、欧文·西尔弗曼、南希·西格尔、莱昂内尔·泰格和格伦·韦斯菲尔德。 当然,非犹太人也被列为进化生物学思想的批评者。 尽管如此,整个事件(围绕对康拉德·洛伦兹和动物行为学的批评)清楚地表明,通常存在涉及犹太人身份并影响科学辩论的重要人类利益。 这里的建议是,犹太教作为一种群体进化策略的一个后果是以一种阻碍生物和社会科学进步的方式扭曲了这些辩论。 (第 38 页)

请注意,我在此列表中包括了 Richard Herrnstein。 科夫纳斯写道:“麦克唐纳并没有接受赫恩斯坦是一个不支持他的论点的例子,而是通过暗示赫恩斯坦支持种族智力差异理论来歪曲事实,因为这会促进他的种族利益。”

两点:我写道,赫恩斯坦是“……人类行为遗传学的重要贡献者”。 正如我反复说过的那样,我并不是说所有从事科学工作的犹太人都强烈认同犹太人,或者与所有其他犹太科学家在同一页上,或者寻求促进犹太人的利益,或者所有犹太人都受到他们的犹太人身份的激励以同样的方式。 在平装本的序言中,我确实引用了 Alan Ryan 来暗示 Herrnstein 可能有犹太人的动机,但请注意我的措辞是多么的试探性:

在我提到的其中一个案例中,Richard J. Herrnstein、Alan Ryan (1994, 11) 写道,“Herrnstein 本质上希望世界上聪明的犹太孩子或他们的同等学历能够走出他们卑微的背景并最终跑高盛或哈佛物理系。” 我想,这是一种典型的新保守主义立场,我在几个地方讨论过这种犹太运动,如果属实,这表明 Herrnstein 确实意识到了其中讨论的问题。 贝尔曲线 以他的合著者查尔斯·默里 (Charles Murray) 没有的方式影响犹太人的利益。

我不是在这里提出强有力的主张。 我当然不认为瑞恩的评论表明赫恩斯坦的动机是什么——只是 如果是真的, 他们会 建议 那。 Herrnstein 的案例需要更多的证据作为适用于的例子。 咖啡馆 此外,赫恩斯坦做我认为出色的研究的动机并没有任何依据。 在第 2 章中,他被列为一位杰出的犹太社会科学家,他不符合 联合会,我很高兴就此搁笔。

关于 Cofnas 的杰出遗传学家名单,我承认犹太人在遗传学家中占有突出地位。 问题是那些反对遗传观点的人的行为是否是犹太人认同和动机的结果,以及他们在打击遗传主义方面的效果如何。 Cofnas 说的任何话都不能推翻我的说法,即斯蒂芬·杰伊·古尔德、里昂·卡明、理查德·莱旺廷、理查德·勒纳和史蒂文·罗斯(得到了学术活动家的支持,如杰里·赫希的门徒巴里·梅勒,他一直是打击“学术种族主义”的有效力量)非常有影响力. 第 2 章有很长的一节介绍古尔德的犹太人身份,以及他的科学渎职行为,甚至是彻头彻尾的欺诈。 古尔德的巨大影响力是毋庸置疑的,不仅在学术界(他的书经常被用在课程中),而且由于他发表了 300 篇论文,在流行领域也有影响。 自然历史。 除了无数的学术荣誉和奖项,他还被评为 活着的传说 2000 年由美国国会图书馆出版。

第 4 章:犹太人参与精神分析运动 •1,500字

第4章的论文:

本章的论点是,如果不考虑犹太教的作用,就不可能将精神分析理解为一种“科学”,或者更恰当地理解为一种政治运动。 西格蒙德·弗洛伊德(Sigmund Freud)是犹太社会科学家的一个典型例子,他的著作受到他的犹太身份和他对温和文化作为反犹太主义根源的负面归因的影响。

Cofnas 成功反驳了这个论点吗? 请注意,他并没有挑战本章的基本论点,即精神分析是一种犹太运动(学者之间的普遍观点),也没有与弗洛伊德具有强烈的犹太人身份和通过颠覆外邦文化来追求犹太人利益的断言争吵. 显然,精神分析是非常有影响力的。

关于 Kadushin 和 Torrey 编制的受精神分析影响的杰出知识分子名单,Cofnas 并不否认他们受到精神分析的影响(我提出这一点的观点),但他声称这些人中的大多数并没有追求由Cofnas:“按照麦克唐纳的标准,其中五位知识分子明确反对以色列,因此反对犹太人的利益。” 同样,对以色列的支持并不等同于个别犹太人如何看待犹太人的利益,或者犹太人的利益是否与他们的写作相关(见上文),这在以色列建立之前肯定不是这种情况(见上文)。

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科夫纳斯似乎认为,我认为所有受精神分析影响的犹太人都是政治激进分子(“几乎没有一个人(著名知识分子名单上的犹太人)接近符合麦克唐纳的犹太激进分子范式。”然而,当我发言时对一般与左派相关的精神分析,我不一定指的是激进左派。即使是植根于托洛茨基左派的新保守主义,也从根本上采取行动打击古保守主义,并在关键问题上推动美国保守运动向左转,例如移民(见“作为犹太运动的新保守主义”)。 例如,我引用了塞缪尔·弗朗西斯 (Samuel Francis) 的话:“关于新保守派如何成功进入保守机构、驱逐或贬低传统保守派,以及在新保守主义的方向上改变这些机构的立场和理念,有无数故事。”

此外,一些新保守主义者受到精神分析的影响。 Cofnas 强调了 Saul Bellow 和 Alan Bloom,我在之前引用的文章中讨论过他们(尤其是弗朗西斯的引述和关于新保守主义对移民态度的材料)。 事实上,有趣的是 Bloom(和 Leo Strauss)和 联合会:

正如贝娄所描绘的[在他的小说中 拉维尔施泰因],布卢姆以典型的大师的身份出现,周围环绕着弟子——一个“父亲”,他不仅试图指导弟子的职业生涯,还试图指导他们的个人生活。[12]贝娄 2000, 27. 他的门徒被描述为“穿着和他一样的克隆人,抽同样的万宝路”; 他们正朝着“拉威尔斯坦、他们的摩西和他们的苏格拉底带领他们走向的智慧的应许之地”前进。[13]贝娄 2000, 56. “与他在华盛顿和巴黎的线人、他的学生、他训练过的人、兄弟会、同修、快乐的少数人隔绝,这让他非常不舒服。”[14]贝娄 2000, 103. 布鲁姆反过来被描绘成施特劳斯人物菲利克斯·达瓦尔的“门徒”:“拉维尔斯坦谈论了太多关于他的事情,最后我不得不阅读他的一些书。 如果我要了解 [Ravelstein] 的全部内容,就必须这样做。”[15]贝娄 2000, 101.

布鲁姆的拉维尔斯坦被描绘成非常自觉的犹太人。 ……谁是犹太人,谁不是犹太人,这是一种敏锐的意识; Ravelstein 的所有密友都是犹太人。 人们对非犹太人是否不喜欢犹太人或与法西斯主义有联系有着浓厚的兴趣。 人们对大屠杀以及何时会再次发生很感兴趣:“他们杀死了一半以上的欧洲犹太人。 ……不知道它接下来会从哪个角落出来。”[16]贝娄 2000, 174. Ravelstein 认为犹太人取代了 WASP:他“喜欢考虑住在以前由 WASP 专职教员占据的一栋厚实的公寓楼里。”[17]贝娄 2000, 61.

所以,是的,新保守主义者可能有精神分析背景(如贝娄和布鲁姆),并且也是受反 WASP 敌意驱动的强烈认同的犹太人(后者的进一步例子,见 我检讨 雅各布·海尔布伦 (Jacob Heilbrunn) 的作品 他们知道自己是对的:新保守派的崛起)。 此外,事实证明贝娄和布鲁姆是新保守主义者这一事实并没有破坏第 4 章和第 5 章中的数据,表明精神分析通常是左派的产物(和工具)。 相信我。 1960 年代我在麦迪逊(见“麦迪逊的回忆“和第 3 章 联合会,注 13)。

Cofnas:“具有讽刺意味的是,麦克唐纳将罗伯特·西尔弗斯视为邪恶的犹太弗洛伊德运动的一部分”,因为 纽约州税务局 出版了弗雷德里克克鲁斯对弗洛伊德和精神分析运动的取缔。” 我不确定 Silvers 发表 Crews 的原因是什么,但还应注意 Crews 后来的评论,即这完全是异常的,并且不会减损 纽约州税务局 在促进精神分析方面:

发表于 纽约州税务局正如克鲁斯所指出的那样,“几乎就像宠物主人疏忽或恶意地将他们的长尾小鹦鹉托付给一只永远潜伏的猫的怜悯”(克鲁斯等人,1995 年,288)。 这意味着像这样的出版物 纽约州税务局 以及与纽约知识分子相关的其他期刊几十年来一直在宣传精神分析学和类似的学说在科学和智力上享有盛誉。

Cofnas 声称,弗洛伊德在 1929 年在当时的巴勒斯坦西墙的犹太人和阿拉伯人之间的对抗中批评犹太人的角色的事件“破坏了麦克唐纳对弗洛伊德的讽刺画,他是一个致力于为犹太人行为开脱并将反犹太主义病态化的偏执激进分子。” 但这当然不会破坏本章的基本论点,即弗洛伊德在促进精神分析方面具有强烈的犹太人身份和犹太人的兴趣。 Cofnas 承认弗洛伊德有一个犹太人的身份,“只是因为反犹太主义者不断地提醒它。” 但它似乎比这更深:

在 1931 年的一封信中,他将自己描述为“一个狂热的犹太人”,并在另一个场合写道,他发现“犹太教和犹太人的吸引力是如此不可抗拒,许多黑暗的情感力量,越不让自己被抓住,就越强大。词,以及内在身份的清晰意识,同一心理结构的秘密”(在 Gay 1988, 601)。 在另一个场合,他写到与他的犹太身份有关的“奇怪的秘密渴望”(在 Gay 1988, 601)。 … Gay (1988, 601) 将弗洛伊德解释为相信他作为犹太人的身份是他的系统发育遗产的结果 [犹太历史以拉马克式的方式塑造]。 ……弗洛伊德和他的同事们对他们的犹太同事有一种“种族血缘关系”,对其他人有一种“种族陌生感”(Klein 1981, 142;另见 Gilman 1993, 12ff)。

弗洛伊德对西方文化的敌意是传奇的,因为他认为精神分析将结束反犹太主义并颠覆他那个时代的性习俗。 例如:

[弗洛伊德]为他的敌人感到自豪——迫害罗马天主教会、虚伪的资产阶级、迟钝的精神病学机构、唯物主义的美国人——确实如此自豪,以至于他们在他的脑海中成长为强大的幽灵,远比他他们在现实中。 他把自己比作汉尼拔、亚哈随鲁、约瑟夫、摩西,所有的人都有历史使命、强大的对手和艰难的命运。 (同性恋 1988, 604) …

[弗洛伊德] 写到了他的弥赛亚希望,以实现“在 [精神分析] 的土壤上实现犹太人和反犹主义者的融合”(在 Gay 1988 年,231),这句话清楚地表明精神分析被其创始人视为一种机制结束反犹太主义。

“[弗洛伊德]确信精神分析学说的本质是令人震惊和颠覆性的。” ……彼得·盖伊将弗洛伊德的作品普遍贴上“颠覆性”的标签(1987 年,第 140 页),尤其将他的性意识形态标记为“对他的时代具有深刻的颠覆性”(第 148 页),并且他描述了他的 图腾与禁忌 在其文化分析中包含“颠覆性猜想”(第 327 页)。

结合本章的其他材料,我不需要更多的证据来证明弗洛伊德符合我所回顾的运动中所涉及的犹太知识分子的模式。 联合会. 我还注意到,“至少到 1930 年,弗洛伊德也对犹太复国主义产生了强烈的同情”,这表明他承认犹太人可能在 1929 年的事件中扮演了一个角色,但并不排除普遍认同犹太复国主义是他的犹太身份的一个方面。 像今天的许多犹太复国主义者一样,他可能认为犹太人因“我们人民不切实际的狂热”而与阿拉伯人对抗并不是犹太人追求的好策略——这正是约翰米尔斯海默和斯蒂芬沃尔特提出的论点 以色列大厅 以及许多自称犹太复国主义者但主张与巴勒斯坦人和平相处的犹太批评者。 显然,在耶路撒冷的街道上与阿拉伯人作战远不是犹太复国主义者使用的唯一策略; 弗洛伊德很可能认为其他选择会更有成效。

第五章:法兰克福学派 •1,500字

咖啡因:

麦克唐纳强调“从 F 量表或民族中心主义量表的高分推断出的外邦人行为的双重标准被视为精神病理学的指示,而恰恰相同的行为是犹太教作为群体进化策略的核心”(1988a:168 )。 但他没有任何地方提出 Adorno 等人的证据。 认可犹太人的这种行为,这是他们拥有“双重标准”所必需的。 麦克唐纳只是假设他们赞成这种行为,因为他们是犹太人。

我认为他们不会仅仅因为他们是犹太人就同意这种行为。 本章的第一部分详细介绍了犹太人对主要人物的强烈认同,值得注意的是,该团体最具影响力的作品, 威权人格,由致力于促进犹太人利益的美国犹太人委员会资助和出版。 关于犹太人的身份,Max Horkheimer (1947, 161) 指出哲学的目标必须是证明犹太人的历史:“集中营的无名烈士是努力诞生的人类的象征。 哲学的任务是将他们的所作所为转化为人们可以听到的语言,即使他们有限的声音被暴政压制了。” 阿多诺:“阿多诺后来的大部分作品可能被视为对大屠杀的反应,正如他的著名评论“在奥斯维辛之后写诗是野蛮的”(阿多诺 1967, 34)和他的问题“奥斯维辛之后你是否可以去关于生活——尤其是一个意外逃脱的人,一个应该被杀死的人”(Adorno 1973, 363)。 Tar (1977, 158) 指出,前一条评论的要点是“如果不反思奥斯威辛集中营,也不关心自己防止新的奥斯威辛集中营,就不可能进行社会学研究。”

在此基础上可以合理地假设,犹太人的身份、犹太人的承诺和犹太人连续性的重要性在法兰克福学派的杰出人物——任何其他名称的种族中心主义——的脑海中都有很大的作用。 Cofnas 似乎认为,如果没有法兰克福学派作者的明确声明,我就无法提出我的论点,即犹太民族中心主义完全没有问题,但非犹太人的民族中心主义是一种病态。 但是他们为什么要这样做呢? 这里真的有两种可能性:他们意识到这是双重标准,但不想公开,因为显而易见的原因是他们会被视为伪君子。 或者他们通过简单地将白人种族中心主义视为病态而自欺欺人,同时阻止任何关于这如何呈现智力不一致的想法——即自欺欺人。

后者是一个真正的可能性。 我写了一个 关于自欺欺人 分离及其不满,注意到以种族为中心的人特别容易在与他们的种族有关的问题上自欺欺人。 此后,安德鲁·乔伊斯 (Andrew Joyce) 为即将出版的卷扩展和更新了这些材料, 塔木德和禁忌 (较早的网络版 此处). 我认为自欺欺人是一种真实可能性的原因是霍克海默和阿多诺的 (1944/1990) 启蒙辩证法 (讨论 此处, 160ff)。 那里提出的反犹太主义理论是如此明显的离奇,如此明显的宣传,如此完全超出了需要寻找支持数据的任何科学敏感性,因此完全没有对反犹太原因进行历史研究的任何尝试很难相信任何人都可以在没有自欺欺人的情况下想象它的态度。 在这个理论中,“对犹太特殊主义的延续和接受成为未来乌托邦社会发展的先决条件”——一个没有反犹太态度的社会,因为反犹太主义的病态已经被根除。 在精神分析 绝技,反犹太主义的病理被认为是由于对自然的压制导致各种投射(例如,“被禁止的行为转化为[对犹太人]的侵略通常是同性恋。由于害怕阉割,服从对父亲的期待被极端化,在有意识的情感上接近小女孩的天性,而对父亲的实际仇恨被抑制了。”)

因此,犹太人的行为与反犹太主义完全无关。 犹太教将一如既往地作为一个群体继续存在,而非犹太人将通过效仿所谓的犹太人对自然的拥抱来克服反犹太人的态度:“没有权力的幸福,没有工作的工资,没有国界的家庭,没有神话的宗教. 这些特征为统治者所憎恶,因为被统治者暗中渴望拥有它们。 只有当他们统治的人民将他们渴望的目标变成令人憎恶的邪恶形式时,统治者才是安全的。”

当然,欺骗也是一种可能。 随你挑。 但无论你的选择如何,我认为可以肯定地说,法兰克福学派确实对民族中心主义有双重标准,如果不是明确的话,也是含蓄的。 以上虽然明确了在乌托邦社会实现后犹太教将继续存在,但对于非犹太人的群体认同却不能这样说。 因此,“在霍克海默关于德国犹太人的文章中(见霍克海默 1974),犹太人的真正敌人是任何类型的外邦集体,尤其是民族主义。”

然后,Confas 提供了我所谓的对消息来源的虚假陈述的两个例子。 由于我对此的评论很长,我将它们放在附录中。

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Cofnas 继续声称,没有“正面证据支持我的说法,即法兰克福学派的成员正在从事‘神秘’——法兰克福学派的成员“隐藏[编辑]他们的犹太身份。” . . [和] 从事 [d] 大规模的自欺欺人。” 他抱怨我的说法,即犹太知识运动“通常[发生]在犹太隐秘或半隐秘的气氛中,因为犹太政治议程[不是]理论的一个方面,而理论本身[没有]没有公开的犹太内容”然后他提出了 Erich Fromm 和 Herbert Marcuse 作为反例,因为他们都批评以色列。

我不明白 Cofnas 写的任何东西如何反驳我的说法,即明确的犹太人身份和政治利益不是我讨论的理论的一个方面——这些理论没有明显的犹太人内容。 法兰克福学派认为外邦民族中心主义是亲子关系混乱的结果的意识形态是否在某种程度上特别是犹太人,例如,明确地与犹太宗教著作或传统的犹太伦理联系在一起? 弗洛伊德的俄狄浦斯情结是否是一个明确的犹太人提议,例如仅适用于犹太家庭?

我已经讨论了关于法兰克福学派的自欺欺人问题,以及支持以色列并不等同于具有强烈的犹太人身份感或犹太人利益感的观点。 犹太人不是铁板一块,弗洛姆和马尔库塞都在犹太复国主义不是犹太社区的多数观点的时候长大,因为犹太复国主义被认为是危险的,因为不忠的指控。 今天,许多基本上同情犹太复国主义的强烈认同的犹太人认为以色列的行为是鲁莽和邪恶的,甚至有 哈雷迪犹太团体, Neturei Karta,出于(犹太)宗教原因,他完全反对犹太复国主义。 因此,他们是否拒绝犹太人的身份和犹太人的利益感? 不同的犹太人对犹太人的利益有不同的看法。

与往常一样,重要的是要了解在任何特定时间的权力和影响力所在。 显然,弗洛姆、马尔库塞(和 Neturei Karta)的观点此时影响不大。

此外,关于弗洛姆,在第 4 章中,我引用了证据表明他“具有非常强烈的犹太人身份(Marcus & Tar 1986,348-350;Wiggershaus 1994,52ff)并且[就像第 3 章中讨论的激进分子]他非常自觉地试图使用精神分析来推进激进的政治议程。”

最后,Cofnas 写的任何东西,即使是正确的,也不能否定我做出的毁灭性结论 威权人格 (第 185 页). 总的来说,这本书确实创造了一个颠倒的世界,通过精神分析(“精神分析基本上允许作者编造他们想要的任何故事”)。 在这个世界中,非犹太人的适应性行为被认为是病态的,混乱的亲子关系被视为一件好事,因为它们导致叛逆的孩子拒绝父母的文化。 我坚持我的结论,即“试图通过描绘外邦群体忠诚度(包括民族主义、基督教宗教信仰、亲密的家庭关系、高投资养育子女以及对社会和社会的关注,以有利于犹太教的方式改变外邦文化)的理论。物质上的成功)作为精神障碍的指标。”

从 1950 年代开始,犹太组织非常积极地宣传法兰克福学派的观点,即“对群体的消极态度……不是……群体利益竞争的结果,而是……个体精神病理学的结果(Svonkin 1997, 75)。 ......虽然外邦民族中心主义被视为一个公共健康问题,[美国犹太人大会为这种激进主义提供了大部分资金] 反对犹太人同化”(第 259 页)。

第 3 章:犹太人和左派 •2,100字

在许多方面,左翼政治舞台上的犹太激进主义(即,除了纯粹的知识分子运动)是犹太人影响力最重要的舞台,在许多国家产生巨大影响,当然包括美国和其他西方国家。社会,还有苏联和东欧。 犹太人在布尔什维克主义中的作用特别重要,我在第 3 章的材料中添加了 平装版序言我检讨 尤里·斯莱兹金的 犹太世纪,特别关注 XNUMX 世纪犹太激进主义的巨大后果,这个话题在 联合会 专注于犹太人的身份 . 这些材料进一步支持了第 3 章的论点,即左翼犹太人总体上保留了他们的犹太人身份、追求犹太人利益的意识以及他们在 XNUMX 世纪左翼的核心角色。

Cofnas 一开始就抱怨我对卡尔·马克思的待遇(见上文对马克思的进一步评论,暗示他确实符合 联合会).[18]我承认对 Jacob Katz 的引用被搞砸了,正在调查。 我非常钦佩卡茨作为历史学家,并怀疑我引用了错误的书。 这种事情每个人都会遇到。 Cofnas 对 Alan Dershowitz 的引用有错误的链接,并反复提到 联合会 正如 1988 年在文章正文中发表的那样,尽管他在参考文献中说得对。 无论如何,在第 3 章中,我注意到:

无论马克思对[犹太人认同和群体连续性]主题的看法如何,下面的一个关键问题是接受激进的普遍主义意识形态和参与激进的普遍主义运动是否与犹太人认同相容。

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换言之,马克思的观点与本章的主题没有密切关系。

Cofnas 反对我对 Richard Pipes 关于民族主义运动中犹太人代表性不足问题的评论,即使他们是反犹太主义者:

首先,反犹太民族主义运动通常以犹太人为目标,不管他们的自我身份如何。 被认定为“俄罗斯人”或“波兰人”的犹太人即使没有被完全禁止,作为平等参与者加入这些运动也会受到劝阻。 其次,即使是“去种族化”的犹太人也可能会发现,仅仅因为他们与犹太家庭和以前的朋友有密切联系,就很难接受对犹太人的反犹太漫画。

首先,在本章的前面,我注意到派普斯的说法,即“沙皇时期具有犹太背景的布尔什维克并没有被认定为犹太人,尽管他们被外邦人视为代表犹太人的利益并受到反犹太主义的影响。” 我同意,在这种情况下,这样的人很难在某种程度上不被认定为犹太人。 一方面,正如我所指出的,反犹太主义往往会增加犹太人的认同感。 其次,反犹太民族主义者的观点不一定是“漫画”,而是对犹太人行为的或多或少准确的概念。 鉴于犹太人在他们的敌人中的人数过多,自然不会相信有犹太背景并愿意参与民族主义运动的人。 事实上,犹太人在这一时期普遍反对整个东欧的民族文化(此处, pp. 73–76)——无论是否反犹太人,而且经常担任领导职务:“在流行民族主义的时代,他们对文化偶像的热爱超越了国家和种族界限。” 事实上,从《出埃及记》开始,几个世纪以来,犹太人对民族文化缺乏依恋一直是反犹太主义的主题。此处, 60–70),并扩展到 XNUMX 世纪早期对欧洲犹太人的看法(此处,第142) 并关注犹太人 新保守主义者 比美国更忠于以色列。

但无论如何——这是关键点,不能简单地用犹太人的智商等来解释反民族主义运动中犹太人的过多代表。

Cofnas 声称“对于 MacDonald 来说,拥有强烈的犹太人身份似乎是不支持反犹太运动的唯一原因”,引用了第 3 章中的这个例子:

[苏联-德国] 互不侵犯条约激起了犹太 CPUSA [美国共产党] 成员的大量理性化,通常试图将苏联的行为解释为实际上有利于犹太人的利益——这显然表明这些人已经没有放弃他们的犹太身份。 其他人继续成为党员,但由于他们对犹太人的忠诚而默默地反对党的路线(1988a:73)[19]在几个地方,如这里,Cofnas 引用 联合会 已于 1988 年出版。它于 1998 年出版。.

在我看来,如果这个问题是根据它是否有利于犹太人的利益而不是整个国家的利益来评估的,那么这种明显的合理化就说明了我的观点。 然而,Cofnas 引用的另一个例子确实不清楚犹太-波兰共产主义者的动机究竟是什么。 但这是樱桃采摘。 如果在整个部分(第 60-68 页)的上下文中阅读,这些共产主义者的犹太人身份就很清楚了,因此当犹太人身份如此突出时,他们对互不侵犯条约的担忧与他们的犹太人身份无关变得难以置信在其他领域。 犹太人参与美国共产党(CPUSA;见第 72 页)也是如此。 例如:

在接下来的几年里[即,在 1925 年废除种族部分后,犹太人从该党“大规模流亡”之后],犹太人对 CPUSA 的支持率上升和下降取决于政党对特定犹太人问题的支持。 在 1930 年代,CPUSA 改变了立场并煞费苦心地呼吁特定的犹太人利益,包括主要关注反对反犹太主义、支持犹太复国主义并最终支持以色列,并倡导维护犹太文化传统的重要性。 与这一时期的波兰一样,“美国的激进运动美化了苏联犹太人生活的发展。 . . . 苏联是社会主义下犹太人问题可以解决的活生生的证据”(Kann 1981, 152-153)。 因此,共产主义被认为“对犹太人有好处”。 尽管 1939 年的苏德互不侵犯条约造成了暂时的问题,但结果是在二战和战后的几年里,CPUSA 与[主流]犹太社区的隔离结束了。 (第 73 页)

最后,Cofnas 提出以下批评:

麦克唐纳遗漏了沙茨指出的一个关键事实(1991:225),即 40% 受害者 的秘密警察是犹太人。 由于当时波兰的犹太人口微乎其微(不到 1 年人口 1949% 的一半;见 Schatz 1991:208),犹太人极有可能成为 攻击 由安全服务。 这些数据更符合以下论点,即犹太人更可能处于权力地位——更有可能处于迫害他人的地位,更有可能被当权者视为竞争对手,因此更有可能成为被迫害。 没有令人信服的证据支持犹太人作为犹太人大规模地为报复而伤害外邦人的故事。

不幸的是,Schatz 没有解释为什么犹太人成为安全部队的目标,但引用了 Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum 的一篇文章[20]Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum,“1967-68 年波兰反犹太复国主义运动的背景”, 历史散文 17 (1972–1973): 70–96. 这通常与 Schatz 的治疗一致。 在他的治疗中,在 1949 年至 1968 年左右的时间里,犹太人成为攻击目标,因为他们被视为政府中的代表人数过多。 即使在 1947 年,最终因“民族主义偏差”而被免职的副总理瓦迪斯瓦夫·戈穆尔卡(Wladyslaw Gomulka)也批准了公共安全部长(秘密警察)的要求,用“真正的”波兰人取代犹太人员,他(戈穆尔卡)声称这是一项政策已经得到斯大林的批准; 然而,没有迹象表明这是否被执行。 正如沙茨还指出的那样,许多犹太共产党人在战后立即加入了政府,但从 1949 年开始,他们开始“被系统地从党的机构、政府和武装部队的重要职位上除名”。[21]同上。76。
(Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum,“1967-68 年波兰反犹太复国主义运动的背景”, 历史散文 17 (1972–1973): 70–96.)
1956% 的犹太受害者数字来自 XNUMX 年关于军事秘密警察的报告,该报告还指出当时该组织中只有少数犹太人。[22]同上。
(Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum,“1967-68 年波兰反犹太复国主义运动的背景”, 历史散文 17 (1972–1973): 70–96.)
这些趋势与当时苏联的趋势平行,并在斯大林死后加速发展(例如,尼基塔·赫鲁晓夫(Nikita Khrushchev)的评论“你们已经有太多的阿布拉莫维奇”(Schatz 1991, 272)。

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从 1955 年到 57 年,这种情况仍在继续,在战后时期担任重要职位的犹太人成为斯大林主义者的目标,他们指责他们在此期间滥用职权,并呼吁民众对“犹太人统治”的仇恨以团结公众舆论反对自由化趋势(赞成)犹太人)。 经过一连串的移民潮,到 1957 年只有 25000 名犹太人留在波兰,但将犹太人从权力职位上撤下的趋势仍在继续,随后是“1967-1968 年的全面清洗”。[23]同上。83。
(Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum,“1967-68 年波兰反犹太复国主义运动的背景”, 历史散文 17 (1972–1973): 70–96.)
最后,在 1967 年阿以战争的背景下,犹太人因为或(更有可能)以同情犹太复国主义为借口而成为攻击目标。

因此,从 1949 年到 1968 年,犹太人越来越多地成为政府和安全部队的受害者,因为他们在政府中担任重要职位——这一说法与我从 Schatz 引用的材料一致。 如果犹太人学到了一件事,那就是没有任何政府制度可以保证抵制反犹太人的态度。 主要故事情节是波兰民族主义以牺牲犹太人的力量为代价逐渐取得胜利。 同样,在从布尔什维克革命开始并至少延续到 1930 年代(直到第二次世界大战之后)成为苏联的主导精英之后, 犹太人权力衰落,犹太人被清除权力职位,犹太人最终成为拒绝运动的领导者 旨在能够从苏联移民。

然而,Cofnas 声称“这些数据更符合以下论点是错误的,即犹太人更可能处于权力地位——更有可能迫害他人,更有可能被认为是与当权者竞争,因此更有可能受到迫害。”

犹太人确实更有可能处于权力地位,但他们的权力地位更多地与他们的犹太人身份有关,而不是与智商等其他犹太人特征有关。 例如,Schatz 非常清楚,接受安全部队的标准与犹太人问题有关:

首先,有一个基本事实,即整个社会对政权怀有敌意,而后者需要可信赖的干部。 老共产主义者,其中包括这一代[即二战前波兰共产党的核心犹太共产主义者的核心群体],必须成为核心。 其他不是战前共产主义者的犹太人加入了他们的行列,但由于他们对新政治制度的同情以及他们在更广泛的社会中的孤立和暴露地位,因此政权可以依赖他们。 (225)

因此,由于更广泛社会中的反犹态度(至少部分是因为人们认为犹太人比波兰人更可能支持被憎恨的共产主义政府,并且由于他们在政府中的显赫地位),他们不成比例地可能支持被憎恨的共产主义政府而不是波兰人。应聘。 政府中的其他职位也是如此(见第 67-68 页;例如:“与犹太社区断绝正式联系的犹太人,或将自己的名字改成了听起来像波兰语的名字,或因为因为他们的外表或缺乏犹太口音在晋升中受到青睐”)。 在战后初期,由于种族关系而导致的犹太人人数过多,这种情况在 1968 年的最后结局之前逐渐瓦解。

在战后不久,安全部队对波兰民族主义者而不是犹太人采取行动——“民族主义政治反对派的破坏,其公开表达的反犹太主义至少部分源于犹太人被认为支持苏联统治的事实。 ……此外,苏联支持的以犹太人为主的波兰共产主义政府与民族主义、反犹太主义地下组织之间的普遍反对,帮助促成了绝大多数犹太人对共产主义政府的忠诚,而绝大多数非犹太人波兰人支持反苏政党”(Schatz 1991,204-205)。 (65)

孔法斯总结道:“没有令人信服的证据支持犹太人作为犹太人大规模地为报复而伤害外邦人的故事。” 但 Rozenbaum 的材料在这一点上与 Schatz 并不矛盾。 如上所述,犹太人身份促进了安全部队的招募。 一旦进入安全部队,犹太人就会受到特定的犹太人动机的驱使:

他们的家人被谋杀,反共地下组织在他们看来是本质上相同的反犹太和反共传统的延续。 他们憎恨那些与纳粹勾结的人和反对新秩序的人几乎以同样的强度,并且知道作为共产党人,或者作为共产党人和犹太人,他们至少以同样的方式被憎恨。 在他们眼里,敌人本质上是一样的。 旧的恶行必须受到惩罚,新的恶行必须被阻止,在建立一个更美好的世界之前,必须进行无情的斗争。 (沙茨 1991, 226)

对我来说似乎是报复。 波兰民族主义者被视为与杀害家人的纳粹分子没有什么不同。

最后,科夫纳斯从不挑战本章的基本论点——犹太激进分子保留了他们的犹太人身份和追求犹太人利益的意识。

第 7 章:“犹太人参与塑造美国移民政策” •2,000字

如上所述,撰写关于移民的章节对我来说改变了游戏规则,因为 1965 年的移民法和整个西方的类似法律所制定的政策导致了人口结构的转变,这将使西方民族在他们已经统治数百年的土地上成为少数,就欧洲而言,已有数千年之久。

我认为个别有影响力的犹太人和犹太组织是法律通过的最有影响力的必要条件,这一观点得到了历史学家的支持 休·戴维斯·格雷厄姆奥蒂斯·格雷厄姆 他们强调犹太人在政府行政部门的影响力的重要性(我关注的是国会)。 这是如何 休·戴维斯·格雷厄姆 在他 2002 年的书中总结了它 碰撞过程 (第 56-57 页):

对于移民改革的内容而言,最重要的是该运动的核心驱动力,可以追溯到 1920 年代,是长期积极反对种族和民族配额的犹太组织。 其中包括美国犹太人大会、美国犹太人委员会、B'nai B'rith 反诽谤联盟和美国东欧犹太人联合会。 自 1920 年代以来,国会的犹太成员,尤其是来自纽约和芝加哥的代表,一直对国家血统配额保持稳定但基本上无效的压力。 . . . 在大屠杀的冲击之后,犹太领导人在华盛顿特别积极地推进移民改革。 对公众来说,移民改革运动最明显的证据是犹太立法领导人,如纽约众议员塞勒和参议员雅各布贾维茨。 不太明显但同样重要的是总统和机构工作人员的主要顾问的努力。 其中包括高级政策顾问,如杜鲁门政府的朱利叶斯·埃德尔森和哈里·罗森菲尔德、艾森豪威尔白宫的麦克斯韦·拉布,以及肯尼迪-约翰逊政府的总统助理迈尔·费尔德曼、助理国务卿阿巴·施瓦茨和副司法部长诺伯特·施莱.

这里最重要的一点是,Cofnas 并没有质疑犹太人和犹太组织在 1965 年通过的移民法中的核心作用。

Cofnas 开始抱怨我对约翰杜威的待遇:麦克唐纳“认为杜威被他不太出名的犹太人操纵, 学生, 西德尼·胡克。” 然而,我确实提到胡克是杜威的学生,并没有说杜威被“操纵”,只是说他被一个知识分子提拔,他作为纽约知识分子取得了很大的声望和影响(我讨论的是纽约第 6 章中的知识分子,包括关于胡克强烈的犹太人身份和追求犹太人利益的意识的材料)。 我毫不怀疑杜威的信仰是真诚的——这些信仰对犹太知识分子的优势非常有吸引力。 科夫纳斯断言我声称玛格丽特米德是博阿斯的“傀儡”也是如此。 如上所述,我毫不怀疑她的信仰是真诚的。

科夫纳斯对我对杜威的评论的处理忽略了我对大卫霍林格的引用,他可能是美国思想史的首要历史学家。 “Hollinger (1996, 4) 指出“犹太人对美国学术生活的民族宗教人口结构的转变”,特别是关于杜威:

“如果像杜威这样倒闭的公理会主义者不需要移民来激励他们去挑战即使是最自由的新教情感的界限,那么杜威的那种人就会受到他们在城市学术和文学社区遇到的犹太知识分子的大力鼓励”(霍林格1996, 24)。

虽然犹太人提拔像杜威这样的人,他们的观点与他们的观点产生共鸣,但他们却努力破坏他们不赞成观点的知识分子的声誉。 特别是,犹太知识分子在反对民粹主义知识分子和艺术家的工作方面取得了成功(在第 5 章和我上述对埃里克考夫曼的评论中讨论过)。 安德鲁·乔伊斯 (Andrew Joyce) 和布伦顿·桑德森 (Brenton Sanderson) 在这方面做出了重大贡献,他们撰写了关于犹太人企图破坏其声誉的文章。 TS艾略特, 罗宾逊杰弗斯, 以斯拉庞德理查德·瓦格纳。 另一方面,犹太知识分子激进主义不仅在促进受审查的知识分子的工作方面发挥核心作用。 联合会,还有名声 斯宾诺莎 他现在被犹太学术活动家提升为哲学家,没有他启蒙就不会发生。

关于科夫纳斯对麦迪逊格兰特的评论,他确实是一个为像他这样的人鼓吹的北欧人——这种态度对犹太人来说当然并不陌生。 然而,声称“犹太人实际上是 促进,不破坏,白人团结”(他的强调)至少可以说是一种延伸。 即使在 1920 年代及之前(例如,犹太人报刊一致反对 1882 年的《排华法案》;见第 283 页),犹太人也促进全人类的移民。

1920 年,美国拉比中央会议通过了一项决议,敦促“国家. . . 保持我们心爱的共和国的大门敞开。 . . 根据其作为所有宣誓效忠其法律的男人和女人的避难所的历史作用,向全人类受压迫和痛苦的人致敬”(在 美国希伯来语,1 年 1920 月 594 日,第 XNUMX 页)。 美国希伯来语 (Feb. 17, 1922, 373) 是一份成立于 1867 年的出版物,代表该时期的德裔犹太建制,重申其长期政策,即“始终支持接纳所有阶级的有价值的移民,无论国籍。” AJCommittee 的 Louis Marshall 在 1924 年众议院移民和归化委员会听证会上的证词中表示,该法案与三K党的观点相呼应; 他将其描述为受到休斯顿斯图尔特张伯伦的种族主义理论的启发。 在美国人口超过 100 亿的时候,马歇尔说:“这个国家的空间是我们人口的十倍”; 他主张无配额限制地接纳世界上所有人民,只排除那些“在精神上、道德上和身体上不健康,是有组织的政府的敌人,以及容易成为公共负担的人”。 同样,在众议院听证会上代表 AJCongress 和其他各种犹太组织的拉比斯蒂芬 S. 怀斯断言“美国以外的每个人都有权得到公平、公正和不受歧视的考虑。”

犹太活动家远非促进“白人团结”,而是推动使白人成为他们建立并统治了 150 年的国家中的少数群体。

Cofnas 声称我将“伪善”归因于美国犹太人是不正确的,因为他们在第 8 章中支持美国的移民和多样性,但不支持以色列。但是,我在那一章中从未提及虚伪,而只对描述美国的“差异”感兴趣犹太人在两国倡导的政策。 这是 Cofnas 争论的引文(来自第 8 章)(包括额外的材料以澄清上下文):

请注意,美国犹太人没有兴趣提议移民到以色列应该是类似的多种族,或者以色列应该制定会威胁犹太人霸权的移民政策。 我相当怀疑奥斯卡·汉德林(Oscar Handlin,1952, 7)是否会通过肯定所有人作为兄弟,同样有能力成为以色列人这一原则来扩展他的声明,提倡所有种族群体移民到美国。 我也怀疑美国犹太教堂委员会会将以色列移民法描述为“对世界许多地区人民的无端侮辱”(PCIN 1953, 117)。 事实上,以色列内部的种族冲突表明未能发展出普遍主义的西方文化。

我继续讨论美国犹太人与以色列犹太人对移民的态度之间的“差异”(不是虚伪)。 对这种差异的最简单解释是,一般而言,犹太人对其利益的看法因他们是一个国家的绝对多数还是少数少数而存在巨大差异。 什么对犹太人有好处取决于上下文——这不足为奇。

关于移民到以色列,Cofnas 写道:

声称移民到以色列仅限于犹太人——甚至是名义上的犹太人——过去和现在都是错误的。 自 1970 年以来,以色列将自动给予任何有一个犹太祖父母的人公民身份 和他们的非犹太配偶和孩子 (以色列外交部 2013)。 由于这项政策,成千上万的外邦人获得了以色列公民身份(费尔特 2009)。 (很难给出准确的估计,因为没有犹太祖先或只有远方祖先的以色列人可能在调查中被认定为犹太人。)

犹太移民到以色列 必须建立 他们的“犹太根源”通常涉及家族历史的记录。 最近有一个拉比裁决,德系犹太人可以使用 DNA 来证明他们是犹太人,这对于从前苏联移民的犹太人来说是一个特殊的问题。 想象一下美国的法律,只允许那些可以建立欧洲家族史的人及其配偶和孩子移民到美国,并允许使用基因检测来确认欧洲血统。 我可能会在这里冒险,但我认为美国的每个犹太组织都会武装起来。

还要意识到,从历史上看,以色列的婚姻一直由东正教拉比控制。 一种 2013年法律 婚姻在一定程度上自由化,但在以色列仍然存在婚姻和离婚方面的东正教垄断,并且仍然皈依 遭受一些残疾,主要是因为无法识别非正统转换:

尽管法律通过了,但一些以色列婚姻自由化的支持者仍然持怀疑态度。

“法律不会帮助超过 300,000 名(根据以色列法律)被定义为‘没有宗教信仰’的移民。” 它也无助于被国家承认为犹太人的改革和保守派皈依者,而不是被拉比承认为犹太人,”改革拉比和希杜什的负责人拉比乌里雷格夫指出,希杜什是一个主张结束东正教在以色列的垄断的组织。州拉比。

关于艾伦·德肖维茨 (Alan Dershowitz) 倡导埃塞俄比亚移民到以色列:同样,不同的犹太人对犹太人的利益有不同的看法。 一些支持埃塞俄比亚移民的犹太倡导者可能认为拒绝接纳埃塞俄比亚人表明以色列的政策是种族主义,这会破坏犹太教只是宗教信仰问题的观念——这两者都会给以色列在西方留下不良形象。是支持以色列的重要支柱。 正如我在此反复指出的,必须看权力在哪里,密切关注犹太社区内部的分歧。此外,根据科夫纳斯的估计,埃塞俄比亚犹太人仅占人口的 2% 多一点,因此可能不会被看到作为对人口现状的严重威胁。 值得指出的是,埃塞俄比亚犹太人并没有受到许多以色列人的欢迎,而是留在了 条纹 以色列社会。 一种 2015年BBC报道:“当他们抵达以色列时,这些与众不同的人面临着骇人听闻的歧视、种族主义和对他们在埃塞俄比亚和前往以色列的旅途中的艰辛缺乏同情心。 ......宗教机构中的许多人甚至敢于质疑他们的犹太教”; 也可以看看 此处 此处).

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最后,我承认美国犹太人的通婚率非常高,而且我 20 年前根据我的阅读对美国犹太人口未来的预测站不住脚。 但是,这应该放在上下文中。 这些趋势并不意味着犹太教的丧钟。 首先,二十世纪初期犹太复国主义的一个主要目标是防止通婚和同化(此处,第157),并且在很大程度上在以色列取得了成功。 其次,据我所知,美国犹太社区的领导层仍然是犹太人。 第三,通婚和皈依对犹太社区有好处(例如, 此处),包括嫁给著名的非犹太家庭的好处,例如特朗普总统和克林顿总统的家庭——百年现象. 一些作者认为,现代西方社会中相对较高的通婚率、低生育率和不同程度的犹太人认同对犹太教具有很强的作用,因为由于与非犹太人的家庭关系,它们充当了通往周围文化的桥梁。[24]例如,Lieberman, S., & M. Weinfeld (1978)。 人口趋势和犹太人的生存。 中游 24(9 月):19-XNUMX。 最后,拒绝通婚的保守派和东正教犹太人仍然拥有高度肥沃的核心。

Cofnas的结论 •300字

Cofnas:“在激烈争论自由主义运动旨在推进犹太群体进化战略之后,他承认犹太人也是反对这些运动的先锋。” 正如上面在讨论共产主义下犹太人的历史时所指出的,没有任何政治制度可以保证为犹太人的利益服务,我已经写过关于 关心 在有组织的犹太社区内,对可能与犹太问题没有共鸣的群体,尤其是穆斯林的移民问题进行讨论。 与往常一样,犹太社区会在问题出现时做出反应。 就波兰和苏联而言,这意味着大规模的移民,以及 犹太人移民 因来自法国等欧洲国家的穆斯林反犹主义已经成为现实。

Cofnas 指出,一些犹太人在进化心理学方面很突出,并且是“自由社会科学”的批评者。 这绝不会使任何内容无效 联合会. 如上所述,一直有犹太人在社会科学方面做得很好。 然而,我应该说我 不同意 与平克的正统进化心理学版本(“大规模模块化”)一致,赞成强调模块化和非模块化机制如何协同工作 创造人类文化. 出于显而易见的原因,我有一个特别的抱怨,因为他对我的工作采取了反科学的态度——部分原因是我在过去的 20 年里一直在知识领域度过。 尽管如此,平克已经推动了进化观点的行为遗传学的科学和大众接受(参见,例如,他在 空白石板 2 pf 第 XNUMX 章中讨论的数字 联合会:古尔德、列文廷和罗斯)。 而且,就我所知,他正在推行渐进主义的战术策略,支持在大量学术界和媒体中仍被视为极端敌意的想法,希望事情最终会改变,尽管他最近的工作, 现在的启示 在这方面并不令人鼓舞。

Cofnas 结论的其余部分只是在辱骂。 无需回应。

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或许这里最重要的信息是犹太知识分子运动成功地攻击达尔文主义 产销监管链 是思想史上的一个关键时刻,在心理学、人类学、社会学、犯罪学、性别研究、政治学和左翼政治激进主义中仍然可以感受到其影响——尤其是移民政策。 反达尔文主义实际上是保护整个左翼后现代多元文化主义世界观并赋予其科学可信度的知识力量领域,因为它是从最负盛名的学术和媒体来源传播的——这是所有讨论的运动取得成功的关键在 联合会 (特别参见第 6 章)。

除了极少数例外,进化心理学和行为遗传学领域的每一个人都因为对达尔文主义的攻击而遭受了个人和职业上的损失。 对于阅读本文的学者,您的心理学系最后一次为行为遗传学专家做广告是什么时候? 你的性别或种族研究部门最后一次为种族或性别差异的进化方法专家做广告是什么时候? 这限制了那些渴望在这些领域从事职业的人的工作机会,并阻止有幸拥有职位的有才华的教师搬到更有声望的机构。

从根本上说,这种左派占主导地位的时代精神否认种族和性别差异的生物学现实以及智商等重要心理特征的遗传性。 我清楚地记得 1990 年代与 J. Philippe Rushton 的一次谈话,他提出了开创性的理论和研究,涉及种族差异、应用于人类的生活史理论,以及遗传相似性对于友谊、配偶选择和其他例子的重要性人类分类。[25]J.菲利普·拉什顿, 种族,进化与行为:生活史视角, 1st ed.(新泽西州新不伦瑞克省:交易,1994 年); J. Philippe Rushton,“民族主义、进化心理学和遗传相似性”, 民族与民族主义 11,没有。 4 (2005), 489–507。 他问:为什么我们(即学术机构)现在对种族和种族差异的了解比 1920 年代少? 为什么这方面的研究和理论成为禁忌,以至于职业生涯毁于一旦,许多学者为了保住工作、职业前景和社交生活而​​进行自我审查? 联合会 以及我随后的写作(例如, 此处) 试图回答这个问题。

目前,人们对大学的言论自由产生了巨大的兴趣。 Cofnas 提到了乔纳森·海特,我很钦佩他作为该领域的领导者 打击 左翼的、反达尔文的正统思想在当今大学中占据主导地位。 海特描述“部落道德共同体“在学术界,尤其是社会心理学。 就像讨论过的运动的反对者一样 中粮, 统治正统的反对者被视为道德败坏者(不仅仅是智力上的错误)。 在这些部落道德社区中,通过坚持“以绝对确定性和绝对正确的方法论、认识论和本体论为基础的超纯粹主义”,对违背社区价值观的研究采取了更高的标准。联合会,第 2 章,第45)。

此外,如第 6 章所述,在第 XNUMX 章中讨论的所有运动 联合会 本质上是对西方、其人民及其文化的基于道德的批判——以任何其他名称命名的部落道德社区。 这也是 John Murray Cuddihy 杰作的一个主题:

我认为,正是在这里[即犹太人对西方社会虚伪的道德批判],我们将 150 年来犹太知识分子在欧洲体系中的作用与许多国家的现代化精英产生了深远的融合新国家:道德激情成为统治激情,成为特别的辩护人。 莱昂内尔·特里林 (Lionel Trilling) 曾写道:“道德激情比追求自我的激情更加任性、专横和急躁。” 苏珊·桑塔格 (Susan Sontag) 指出,“犹太人将融入现代社会的希望寄托在提升道德感上。

这种以道德为基础的批判是建立在一个既存稳固的基础之上的,这种基础源于欧洲文化的发展,在 十八世纪. 然而,由于犹太知识分子运动的胜利,现在正在宣扬和强制执行的道德 联合会 是西方人民的利他主义道德,如果继续下去,将导致欧洲人民及其文化的毁灭。 这是一种受利他主义的、充满罪恶感的道德感所驱动的文化愿景,在这些运动取得胜利之前,西方启蒙知识分子或他们的后代从未设想过这种观念。

从表面上看,Cofnas 似乎参与了我的工作,但他并没有真正掌握关键论点或如何 联合会 适合三部曲中其他书籍或我其他关于进化和文化的著作的框架。 有人怀疑他对它的价值有一个成见——心理学家称之为“动机认知”(正如我试图证明的那样,这是我回顾的犹太知识分子的特征) 联合会). 就像在几个地方讨论的超纯粹主义者一样 联合会,他正在寻找方法谴责他出于更深层次原因不喜欢的研究。 他非常清楚正面的评论永远不会发表。 他深感困扰 联合会学术界以外的接受度以及这种接受度可能产生的政治后果。 他很清楚,围绕这本书进行了 20 年的无声治疗已经失败了。

所以现在我们又回到了第 1 点。我欢迎进一步的评论并承诺做出回应。

附录 •1,600字

Cofnas 提供了一个我根据这段话歪曲消息来源的具体例子:

R. Nevitt Sanford(第六章)发现,与各种基督教教派的隶属关系与民族中心主义有关,反叛父母并接受另一种宗教或不信奉宗教的个人在民族中心主义方面的地位较低。 这些关系被解释为由于接受基督教与“顺从、约定俗成、专制服从、外部压力决定、用内群体-外群体术语等思考与不顺从、独立、价值观内化、等等”(第 220 页)。

首先我们来看一下相关的段落 威权人格. 正如我总结的那样,桑福德说的确实是这样,“反叛父母并接受另一种宗教或不接受宗教的人在种族中心主义方面的表现较低。” 这句话的第一部分可以充实以反映桑福德讨论的一些更具体的发现,但请注意,他在讨论部分的开头也有类似的一般性陈述:“属于或认同美国的宗教团体今天当然并不意味着人们因此接管了宽容、兄弟情谊和平等的传统基督教价值观。 相反,不隶属于任何宗教团体的人似乎更坚定地持有这些价值观。”

然而,更具体地说,发现新教小教派(太少,无法单独分析)和一神论者的 E(民族中心主义量表)较低,并且对于主要教派,个人之间存在很大差异,围绕着一个正如桑福德所指出的那样,在 E 中间的平均值很难表明极端种族中心主义的一般模式。 尽管如此,桑福德并没有否认成为一个主要教派的成员本身是有问题的:

然而,可能有人会争辩说,这种传统的宗教方法表达了对现状的足够认同,对外部权威的服从,并准备在道德上强调“属于”和不属于“属于”的人之间的差异,以区分E 分,来自非宗教的大教派成员和来自实际上代表相反性格趋势的小团体的成员。

尽管有这种说法,即使是在一个大教派中,也能让人有足够的归属感,以在 E 上获得更高的分数,但桑福德着眼于母亲的宗教信仰,以期获得更强有力的发现。 背离母亲宗教的受试者更可能在 E 上较低。他们的宗教信仰被解释为自我选择,而接受母亲宗教的受试者在 E 和反犹太主义量表上往往较高。 “就这些结果的整体而言,人们可能会说,虽然宗教信仰在量表上得分较高,但如果宗教是‘自己的’,也就是说,如果它已被接受,情况就不太可能发生独立于或反抗家庭中宗教影响的主要载体...... [而] 在有迹象表明接受宗教主要由传统或外部考虑决定的情况下,E 分数往往会上升。” 发现这对女性来说尤其如此。

换句话说,桑福德提出真正的问题是宗教是否是自我选择的,表现为与母亲的不同。 即使在主要教派中,受试者通过个人选择接受宗教的程度也可能存在很大差异,因此 E 分数的差异很大:

但是在主要教派的成员中,有许多主体的宗教似乎是“真正的”,从某种意义上说,它或多或少地独立于外部压力,并采取内化价值观的形式。 似乎这些科目在民族中心主义上的得分往往很低,通常非常低。

在以下引文中,桑福德有效地将“自我选择”解释为反映了自始至终强调的品质的变化 威权人格; 这个引用包括我引用的部分 联合会 (我引用的部分是斜体):

从这个角度来看问题时,最重要的心理因素与前几章中出现的心理因素大体相同: 顺从、约定俗成、专制服从、外部压力的决定、用内群体-外群体的术语思考等与不顺从、独立、价值观内化等。

那么,我的报价是否歪曲了桑福德? 这是 Cofnas:

麦克唐纳断章取意地引用了桑福德,完全歪曲了他的结论。 首先,当桑福德提到“顺从、约定俗成、专制服从”时。 . 。,“ 他是 不能 表征基督教信仰。 他说,要理解宗教与种族中心主义之间的关系,我们必须考虑哪些心理因素在个人接受或拒绝中起作用,例如“顺从、约定俗成、专制服从”。 他并不是专门谈论基督教,而是明确表示这些因素在“真正的”基督教中不起作用。 他清楚地区分了那些仅仅因为倾向于服从权威而接受父母或大多数人的宗教的名义基督徒,以及那些“其宗教似乎是‘真实’的,因为它或多或少地达到了独立于外部压力并采取内在价值的形式”(Adorno et al. 1950:220)。 桑福德说,后者——“真正的”基督徒——“在种族中心主义上的得分往往很低,通常非常低。”

首先,我写道“隶属于 各个 基督教教派与民族中心主义有关”(强调补充)。 我并没有声称“所有基督教教派”有任何问题,因此我并不是声称,根据桑福德的说法,基督教信仰本身就是问题所在。 其次,如上所述,桑福德确实做了将基督教与民族中心主义联系起来的一般性声明:(1)将与大型基督教教派的隶属关系与上述民族中心主义联系起来的声明——毕竟,他们的手段远高于一神论派和较小的新教教派; (2) 讨论部分开头的声明,也如上所述:“今天在美国属于或认同一个宗教团体当然并不意味着一个人因此接管了宽容、兄弟情谊和平等。 相反,不隶属于任何宗教团体的人似乎更坚定地持有这些价值观”(第 219 页)。

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最后这句话特别有趣,因为它出现在本章的总摘要中——如果你愿意,可以带回家的信息。 有人想知道如果桑福德不想传达基督教宗教信仰本身是有问题的想法,为什么他会做出这样的声明(尽管我从未声称桑福德声称基督教信仰本身就是问题:我写道“各种基督教教派”,而不是“所有基督教教派”)。 同样值得注意的是,在我对第二章的评论中 威权人格——同样由桑福德撰写,强烈认同的爱尔兰人和反犹太主义者麦克被诊断为病态,因为他有强烈的内群体意识(第 169-170 页)。 考虑到犹太教具有强烈的内群体意识,我不得不假设桑福德(他​​不是犹太人)故意忽略一些明显的现实,因为他正在为一个由美国犹太人委员会资助的项目写作。 如果没有强烈的内群体意识,犹太教早就灭绝了。

在有争议的段落中,我基本上切入正题:我没有讲述桑福德关于他如何最终得出结论认为主题是否接受母亲的宗教是最重要的变量的讨论,或者他的建议,即主要教派中的低 E 得分者可能有出于其他原因自己选择了他们的宗教。 相反,我直接从声称桑福德声称“隶属于各种基督教宗教教派与民族中心主义有关,并且反抗父母并采用另一种宗教或不信仰宗教的人在民族中心主义方面的表现较低”到桑福德的结论,即变异E 与整本书强调的那些特征相关联:“从众、约定俗成、专制服从、外部压力决定、用内群体-外群体术语思考等与不顺从、独立、价值观内化等向前。” 显然,我确实强调了基本要点:桑福德得出结论,反抗父母很重要,我暗示基督教宗教信仰本身不是问题。

所以我真的不明白我在哪里歪曲了任何东西。

Cofnas 继续说:

其次,桑福德以积极而非消极的方式描述了传统基督教。 他指的是“反对偏见的基督教人文主义”(Adorno et al. 1950:215)。 他写道,“在今天的美国”,“宽容、兄弟情谊和平等的传统基督教价值观”似乎“被不隶属于任何宗教团体的人更加坚定地持有”,尽管“真正的”基督徒在种族中心主义方面的表现很低“可能在 [某些] 新教教派中占主导地位”(Adorno 等人。 1950:219-20)。 因此,桑福德将法兰克福学派所提倡的价值观确定为 基督教,不是犹太教。

再说一次,我从未声称桑福德声称基督教信仰本身就是问题所在。 否则,为什么一神论者和新教小教派成员的平均 E 分数会如此之低,为什么这么多主要教派成员的 E 分数会这么低? 但桑福德明确表示,尽管有这些传统的基督教价值观和“基督教人文主义”的理想,但 1940 年代美国的基督徒普遍没有这些价值观。 显然,他指责基督教实际上存在,尽管他当然承认也有例外。

最后,无论人们是否认为我歪曲了桑福德的章节,都无法改变我对法兰克福学派的一般评论。

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[1] 凯文·麦克唐纳 ([电子邮件保护]) 是加州州立大学长滩分校的心理学名誉教授。

[2] 例如,文化群体选择是对文化群体成员的普遍看法。 文化进化协会. 我追溯到 1980 年代初期的理论一直强调文化因素,尤其是 社会控制和意识形态 在规范行为方面,从维护欧洲文化中的一夫一妻制开始(例如, 此处)。 这进一步讨论了斯巴达人,因为它展示了我后来称之为群体进化策略(在第 8 章) 社会和人格发展:进化综合 (纽约:全会,1988 年)。 然后我决定对犹太教进行类似的处理,并于 1991 年开始研究它。

[3] Cofnas 提出以下声明:

18 年前采用的策略——宣布他的作品是反犹太主义的和/或没有达到引起学术关注的门槛——具有双重不幸的效果,即恐吓对犹太人进化和行为主题有合法兴趣的学者,以及在一些外行人中产生一种看法——即使这是错误的——麦克唐纳正在受到学术界的迫害。

事实上,我正因为这个词的任何普通含义而受到学术界的迫害。 在 Cofnas 提到的 Shulevitz 争议之后,我参加了一个专门讨论我在人类行为和进化协会 2000 年会议上的工作的小组。 它是 很吵,有很多非常强烈的反对我的工作,随之而来的是其他官员和社会其他知名人士的冷遇(我当时担任秘书一职)。 从那以后,我再也没有感到受欢迎。 虽然我在一个著名的学术期刊上至少被黑过一次,但我确实设法继续 发布 我在人格、发展心理学、文化进化理论和智力进化方面的工作享有盛誉,甚至 突出 学术场所。 更痛苦的是 从 2006-07 年开始在我大学举办的活动 在南方贫困法律中心的 Heidi Beirich 访问之后,反诽谤联盟的一名代表也加入了访问。 这开始了许多 CSULB 教员的排斥和强烈敌意的过程,在大学维护的教员电子邮件列表服务器上表达了这一点,以及学术部门和学术参议院的谴责决议。

[4] 弗兰克·K·索尔特, 关于遗传利益:大规模移民时代的家庭、种族和亲属关系 (伦敦:Routledge,2006)。

[5] 理查德·亚历山大 达尔文主义与人类事务 (西雅图:华盛顿大学出版社,1979 年;适用于犹太群体,见 此处,第第 5 章和第 1 章 一个人一个人住:犹太教作为一个群体的进化策略.

[6] 约翰·默里·库迪希 文明的考验:弗洛伊德、马克思、列维-斯特劳斯和犹太人与现代性的斗争 (纽约:基本书籍,1974 年)。 在他生命的尽头,我与库迪希通信。 他很高兴看到我发现他的作品很有用,我认为这表明他觉得他的书被忽视了,没有得到应有的关注。 也许他写了一本关于解放后犹太人的精彩著作,却发现它基本上被后来的学者忽视了这一事实,这在我决定继续在学术环境之外推广我的工作中发挥了作用。

[7] 同上。,160-161。

[8] 同上。184。

[9] 同上 231; 强调原文。

[10] Neil Gross 和 Ethan Fosse,“为什么教授是自由派? 理论与社会 4(2012):127–168。

[11] 约翰·M·埃夫隆, 种族捍卫者:世纪末欧洲的犹太医生和种族科学 (纽黑文:耶鲁大学出版社,1994),180。

[12] 贝娄 2000, 27.

[13] 贝娄 2000, 56.

[14] 贝娄 2000, 103.

[15] 贝娄 2000, 101.

[16] 贝娄 2000, 174.

[17] 贝娄 2000, 61.

[18] 我承认对 Jacob Katz 的引用被搞砸了,正在调查。 我非常钦佩卡茨作为历史学家,并怀疑我引用了错误的书。 这种事情每个人都会遇到。 Cofnas 对 Alan Dershowitz 的引用有错误的链接,并反复提到 联合会 正如 1988 年在文章正文中发表的那样,尽管他在参考文献中说得对。

[19] 在几个地方,如这里,Cofnas 引用 联合会 已于 1988 年出版。它于 1998 年出版。

[20] Wlodzimierz Rozenbaum,“1967-68 年波兰反犹太复国主义运动的背景”, 历史散文 17 (1972–1973): 70–96.

[21] 同上。76。

[22] 同上。

[23] 同上。83。

[24] 例如,Lieberman, S., & M. Weinfeld (1978)。 人口趋势和犹太人的生存。 中游 24(9 月):19-XNUMX。

[25] J.菲利普·拉什顿, 种族,进化与行为:生活史视角, 1st ed.(新泽西州新不伦瑞克省:交易,1994 年); J. Philippe Rushton,“民族主义、进化心理学和遗传相似性”, 民族与民族主义 11,没有。 4 (2005), 489–507。

 
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  1. Ovidiu 说:

    Cofnas does not understand Kevin MacDonald’s thesis. He seems to believe that Kevin MacDonald infers that these movements were promoting Jewish interests merely from the “over-representation” fact. Hence his “alternative hypothesis” attempt at rebuttal

    But strong Jewish presence (over representation), and also strong Jewish identity in their case, are for Kevin MacDonald merely two ‘necessary conditions’; as it would be hard to see how otherwise such an intellectual movement could be a Jewishly motivated movement.
    The third and sufficient one is the very content of the theories pushed. Their impact on the Gentile society seen through the prism of the Gentile-Jew conflict and the social-identity theory.

  2. I don’t see much new in Kevin MacDonald’s response to Confas’ critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    *犹太人“遵循群体进化策略”。 除了琐碎的观察,任何人类集体都希望维护自己的身份并繁荣发展,他都没有证明这种策略根本存在。 在这种行为中没有“战略”。

    *此外,作者对“犹太运动”的描述是不可验证的,实际上很难描述。 从我对马克思主义,精神分析或列宁主义的了解来看,这些运动既不是“犹太人”运动,无论是从思想上还是从支持者的角度来看都是如此。
    那么在20世纪和21世纪C时代流行的其他知识分子又如何呢? 这些运动或文化潮流是否可以称为“犹太人”:无政府主义,自由恋爱左派,表现主义,立体派,达达主义,德国哲学现象学,文化批评(海德格尔之后的德里达和福柯),1968年后意识形态的新左派,多元文化主义作为意识形态,荣格原型心理学,新时代意识形态,激进的女权主义,“新无神论”,进化心理学,社会生物学,各种经济学派(奥地利,芝加哥,..),人文主义的结构主义..?
    I know next to nothing on Boasian anthropology, but I do know quite a lot about Communism & various branches of psychoanalysis, and I don’t see how one can show these movement are “Jewish” in origin or history? For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is “Jewish” in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis? This “school” was a product of German culture during fin de siecle & the general knowledge of psychiatry during these times. What is “Jewish” in its structure, values or general trend, in its goals, or in its map of human psyche?

    *在20世纪和21世纪领域中,犹太人人数过多的领域是什么:理论物理学,数学的所有分支,国际象棋大师,计算机科学,小提琴演奏家,艺术界的慈善家和博物馆馆长,电影导演和制片人,..? 这些地区是否受到犹太人利益的驱使,无论是否有意识? 我们如何确定这一点?

    Although I admire MacDonald’s work in demolition of maudlin myth the core American Jewish community has over time built about it (eternal victims & universal humanitarians), I don’t see his work as dispassionate analysis that would be close to even such a non-exact “science” as evolutionary psychology claims to be. With its broad sweep of generalizations, MacDonald’s work on historical traits of Judaism (as culture) is not unlike other historiosophies, similar to St. Augustine, Gioacchino da Fiore, Hegel, Marx or Spengler.

    这些作品有很多见识,但它们基本上是一种富有想象力的结构,而不仅仅是更多。

    That said, I am sorry MacDonald’s work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse, but to dumbification of academia- there is not such thing as intellectual discourse anymore.

  3. Lot 说:

    Despite its length, this article never even attempts to address the specific criticisms of CoC, instead consisting of mostly long-winded “clarifications.”

    MacDonald’s main problems is that he’s motivated by resentment of successful academics, leading him to adopt his antisemitic grant theories first, then look for evidence to support it.

    Cofnas was nice enough to generously give MacDonald the time of day, put Pinker is the one who has the better argument:

    The suggestion that scholars “can’t ignore bad ideas” is a nonstarter. In science there are a thousand bad ideas for every good one. “Doing battle” against all of them is not an option for mere mortals, and doing battle against some of them is a tacit acknowledgment that those have enough merit to exceed the onerous threshold of attention-worthiness. MacDonald’s ideas, as presented in summaries that would serve as a basis for further examination, do not pass that threshold, for many reasons:

    1. 通过说犹太人因为他们是犹太人而公布科学假设,他参与了超出正常科学话语范围的人身论证,显然是在浪费时间。 麦克唐纳已经宣布我将拒绝他的想法,因为我是犹太人,那么回复他们有什么意义呢?

    2. MacDonald’s main axioms – group selection of behavioral adaptations, and behaviorally relevant genetic cohesiveness of ethnic groups — are opposed by powerful bodies of data and theory, which Tooby, Cosmides, and many other evolutionary psychologists have written about in detail. Of course any assumption can be questioned, but there are no signs that MacDonald has taken on the burden of proof of showing that the majority view is wrong.

    3. MacDonald’s various theses, even if worthy of scientifically debate individually, collectively add up to a consistently invidious portrayal of Jews, couched in value-laden, disparaging language. It is impossible to avoid the impression that this is not an ordinary scientific hypothesis.

    4. The argument, as presented in the summaries, fail two basic tests of scientific credibility: a control group (in this case, other minority ethnic groups), and a comparison with alternative hypotheses (such as Thomas Sowell’s convincing analysis of “middlemen minorities” such as the Jews, presented in his magisterial study of migration, race, conquest, and culture).

    Of course I have not plowed through MacDonald’s trilogy and therefore run the complementary risks of being unfair to his arguments, and of not refuting them resoundingly enough to distance them from my own views on evolutionary psychology. But in the marketplace of ideas, a proposal has to have enough initial credibility, and enough signs of adherence to the ground rules of scientific debate, to earn the precious currency of the attention of one’s peers.

  4. Lot 说:

    MacDonald likes to think of himself as concerned with the fate of American whites, but in fact he and his Nazi buddies are completely rejected by the vast majority of the center and far right in the USA, who are the most profound supporters in the entire world of their Jewish brothers in both the USA and the Holy Land.

    The actual practical consequence of MacDonald and his fellow travelers is that they allow the globalist media to falsely portray American immigration patriots as anti-Semites. They are a millstone around our necks, providing motivation and money to our enemies and embarrassing our supporters with their antics.

    As evidence of this, have Richard Spencer, David Duke, etc EVER got as much media attention as in late 2016? It was one MSM profile interview after another. They helpfully played the exact role the media wanted for them. Spencer even got a Hitler Youth haircut and lied about knowing Stephen Miller to help smear Trump and sideline Miller within the administration. Then he did his absurd lugenpresse and “Hail Trump Hail Victory” event to feed the media’s early attempt to derail Trump after he won.

    Given that MacDonald et al strike me as sincere, how on earth to they live with themselves knowing all the damage they cause? At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media’s pet used to smear Christian Conservatives, show signs of just knowing they are engaged in a venal scam. I think the antisemites just are just childish attention addicts, aware of the harm they are causing to actual, effective American nationalists, but unable to stop themselves.

    As consolation, we are fortunate the left the same problem, but worse. We really just have the Nazis and the Westboro type groups to embarrass us, who are tiny in number. The number of media-whoring left wing groups who embarrass the Democrats and drive away their voters is a lot more numerous, from a million idiot professors like Ward Churchill to the New Black Panthers to myriad angry trannies to the Burqa Brigade.

  5. perun500 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You clearly haven’t read the response or any of Macdonalds other work at all.

  6. mark green 说:

    MacDonald’s basic thesis (which he substantiates persuasively) is that numerous intellectual movements over the past century that have been spearheaded and supported by prominent Jews in the West, have carried with them a covert underside designed to advance Jewish interests–often at the expense of host cultures.

    MacDonald’s paradigm is gaining traction. Broadly. The more we witness organized Jewish activism, Jewish advocacy, Zionist policies, Jewish-supported military campaigns, and organized Jewish attempts to censor and control political discourse throughout the world, the more evident becomes their duplicitous agenda.

    MacDonald has connected the dots. Kosher soap cannot wash them away. Speech codes cannot stop their spread.

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  7. Lot 说:
    @perun500

    There MacDonald writes:

    In Culture of Critique I make it clear that in order to be considered as a Jew who is participating in a Jewish intellectual movement, the person must have a Jewish identification and must regard their involvement in the movement as advancing specific Jewish interests.

    Cofnas shows many MacDonald’s examples do not fit this criteria.

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  8. Lot 说:
    @mark green

    MacDonald’s basic thesis (which he substantiates persuasively) is that numerous intellectual movements over the past century that have been spearheaded and supported by prominent Jews in the West,

    That has never been seriously disputed

    have carried with them a covert underside designed to advance Jewish interests

    Not a real scientific theory because it is not falsifiable. “No evidence that X was to advance Jewish interests, and if fact never actually did so? Doesn’t matter, I said they were ‘covertly designed!”

    Also, as Cofnas notes, every non-anti-semitic intellectual movement in the West is heavily Jewish, from Communism to Austrian school economics. Not to mention things like chess, computer programming, and theoretical physics that have little to nothing to do with politics.

    You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in “group evolution.” No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don’t care, takes this seriously. The math on “group selection” just doesn’t add up.

    Speech codes cannot stop their spread.

    Actually they can, but are not needed here, nor are they right as a matter of principle. But if you want to harm free speech and see it restricted, abusing your rights in obnoxious ways is the best way to do so.

  9. Issac 说:

    I’m pleasantly surprised to see this debate happen, but I wonder if it will be widely discussed. Cofnas suggests that we are an intellectual master race, bound to be the elite in any society that permits us to dwell among them. This HBD realist defense is sure to be very unpopular with non-Jewish minorities or social constructivist progressives. I found myself reading Cofnas and wondering what he thinks about uncontrolled third world immigration into the United States and Europe or the tens of thousands of Africans Meretz has saddled us with in Israel.

  10. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Lot

    I regard Pinker to be nothing more than an academic gatekeeper, after he nonchalantly dismissed the research on MAOA a.k.a. the “warrior gene”:

    那你有什么意思呢?

    我认为这很明显吗?

    当然,史蒂文·平克(Steven Pinker)是错的!

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-talk-nonblack-version/#comment-2099819

    视频时间戳为9分53秒:

    围绕着战士基因MAOA的愚蠢愚蠢是愚蠢的

    更多在这里:

    [Pinker](deliberately?) ignores or does not seem to be aware of the high number of pathological gamblers among Asians/Chinese, that I pointed to above.https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2056086

    和这里:

    Fallon is doing the reverse or inverse of Steven Pinker, who talks about differences in IQ but questions the validity of “warrior gene” research. James Fallon talks about the “warrior gene” and psychopathy, but never, to my knowledge, brings up IQ in this context. https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-worlds-iq-86/#comment-2057186

    科学一次推进一个葬礼吗?

    http://www.nber.org/digest/mar16/w21788.html

    The findings confirm previous work showing that the number of articles by collaborators decreased substantially — by about 40 percent — after the death of a star scientist. Publication activity by non-collaborators increased by an average of 8 percent after the death of an elite scientist. By five years after the death, this activity of non-collaborators fully offset the productivity decline of collaborators.

    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-secret-in-your-eyes/#comment-1815561

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  11. You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in “group evolution.” No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don’t care, takes this seriously. The math on “group selection” just doesn’t add up.

    I don’t know why people keep saying these sorts of things.

    In fact, cultural group selection, as spelled out by Boyd and Richerson, is by now a well established phenomenon. It is 不能 the same as group selection in ordinary population genetics; in particular, cultural group selection does not require selection for “altruistic” genes — that is, genes which promote the interests of the group at the expense of those of the individual. Cultural group selection typically involves the use of punishments for violation of group norms — punishments that ensure that the interests of members of the groups will suffer if they flout those norms. This mechanism generally aligns individual interests with those of the group.

    And because Jews have practiced endogamy for so many generations, the niche they have occupied should certainly have selected effectively for genes which will promote reproductive success in that niche.

    Given these facts, it’s almost trivially true that Jews have undergone significant cultural group selection, and related genetic selection.

    Whether the details align well with MacDonald’s account is another question. But there is some account that is both true and interesting.

    Frankly, thinking otherwise is just another form of evolution denial. Why should such concepts apply to all kinds of human groups, but not to the Jews?

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  12. Anonymous [AKA "Lot is dumb"] 说:

    Your dismissal of group selection shows that you’re simply clueless about the levels of selection debate. The math doesn’t add up? What the hell are you talking about?

    “No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don’t care, takes this seriously. The math on ‘group selection’ just doesn’t add up.”

    Group selection theories are supported by many major figures in biology and are defended in extremely high-impact journals. Here’s one recent example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25347943. Keep in mind that MacDonald is a cultural group selectionist specifically. Again, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Cofnas’s critique hinges on misrepresentations of CoC at just about every turn. He couldn’t even get MacDonald’s clearly stated thesis right. No one who seriously read CoC, and isn’t an idiot, could come away thinking that MacDonald argues that support for Israel is a necessary condition of Jewish activism. And yet Cofnas managed to attribute that claim to MacDonald.

  13. Pheasant [AKA "edward smith"] 说:
    @Lot

    Actually if you were obviously not arguing in bad faith and had read all three of the books in the Culture of Critique series (somthing any serious commenter would do before attempting to delve into Macdonald’s mind and tell us what his motivations are) as well as his addendums to it you would know that the first two books (A people that shall dwell alone, separation and its discontents) stand on thier own as works and are not invalidated by any attack on the third work (The culture of critique). Separation and its discontents is actually the more useful work for those wanting to understand Jewish-Gentile group relations. *This is a key point* Many of the people who actually have read all three works detect a subtle change in tone roughly one half of the way through separation and its discontents and Macdonald has owned up to the fact that although he started as a completely impartial observer, researching this topic made him stand up for his own side (non jews). This is the clearest sign that Macdonald did not set out from the beggining to write a polemic somthing that Cofnas (yet another person who has not read all three works of the trilogy) has accused him of.

    As it stands Macdonald has shifted his research from Jews to thier European host populations and has a book forthcoming on the Indo-Europeans.

    Read more Psychoanalyse less.

  14. Pheasant [AKA "edward smith"] 说:
    @Lot

    You are aware that when first published Pinker dismissed The culture of Critique wothout having read it? Why has it taken 20 years for an academic to finally (very weakly) respond? Could it be because Macdonald’s arguments cannot be refuted in good faith? Your attempt to deligitimise Macdonald and paint him as somone who taints the anti immigration crowd when his own work is a devastating deconstruction of the Jewish role in creating mass nonwhite immigration is very telling.

  15. Perun500 说:
    @Lot

    No, he doesn’t. Again, you didn’t read the response.

  16. @Lot

    For a demonstration that Pinker employs non-scientific arguments more in line with cultural Marxism in his vehement, irrational opposition to white identity politics, see Prof Duchesne’s review of Enlightenment Now: http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/03/steven-pinkers-anti-enlightenment-attack-white-identitarians_17.html

  17. @Lot

    Given that MacDonald et al strike me as sincere, how on earth to they live with themselves knowing all the damage they cause? At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media’s pet used to smear Christian Conservatives, show signs of just knowing they are engaged in a venal scam. I think the antisemites just are just childish attention addicts, aware of the harm they are causing to actual, effective American nationalists, but unable to stop themselves.

    Yeah, that’s my opinion, too.

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  18. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Lot

  19. Anonymous [AKA "keleirne"] 说:
    @FKA Max

    Pinker is a good buddy of Jeffrey Epstein, Mossad child sex trafficker/blackmailer

    https://www.edge.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery-medium/public/event-images/492_picture-1.jpg?itok=duN_HKSb

    John Brockman, Steven Pinker, Daniel C. Dennett, Katinka Matson, Richard Dawkins

    Flying to the TED Conference in Monterey California with science philantropist Jeffrey Epstein

    https://www.edge.org/event/the-edge-billionaires-dinner-2002

  20. “Too little too late” may characterize the importance of the fact that Confas, an academic, has responded as such to “A Culture of Critique”, the third book of Kevin MacDonald’s academic trilogy on Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy. That it took 2 decades for _any_ academic response, during which the neocon agenda unleashed by 9/11/2001 cost untold human and economic damage, is a damning indictment of academia. Of course, the fact that “A Culture of Critique” provides a scholarly basis for the analysis of necon excess is one, of a number of its attributes, that made it radioactive to academia. It is clear from MacDonald’s preliminary response that he welcomes this long overdue scholarly discourse. Unfortunately, it does appear that Confas is knocking over strawmen — which is a consistent pattern in pseudo-science. Hence, it is “too little” as well as “too late”.

  21. Max Denken 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    As one deeply distraught over the tilting that American Jews cause to the socio-political course and destiny of the U. S., I’ve long sought a forum for discussing that topic in a spirit, say, of AmRen’s exposition of the black equivalent thereof. I’ve written some critical pieces myself, including, recently, one at UR about Jewish attacks on Poland.

    However, any such J-criticism is tainted a priori, washed out, because it’s automatically lumped together with the lunatic fringe. The field of J-criticism has been pre-empted by a tribe of Nazizoid maniacs, all weaned on the Protocols, Mein Kampf, Savitri Devi, Francis Yockey, Mark Weber and MacDonald, with the latter providing the veneer of academic respectability to the former.

    Any discussion of the merits or drawbacks of Jewish influence draws this tribe like a swarm of hornets to ripe red meat. And the junk they post is so lunatic, oozing confirmation bias and pure unadulterated hate, that it defeats the very credibility of any criticism of Jews. Trying and failing to shoo away that swarm, I had to post this, addressed to their apparent chieftain:

    “By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are. Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.”

    On another note: where is MacDonald’s A3P party? I read its platform; it was great — I’d have voted for it. But, to the knowing, there was a subtext there too, evinced in the utterances and activities of A3P’s founders: joo-hatred. Too bad.

    White nationalist parties in Europe have thrived: Sweden Democrats, Vlaams Belang, Front National, AfD, FPÖ in Austria etc. They thrived after cleansing themselves of prominent anti-Semites and repudiating their utterances. And no, not because joos control the media. The respective Jewish communities in those countries oppose the nationalist parties to this day — and yes, I do feel enmity to those communities because of that.

    BNP in the UK, stuck in a joos-done-it-to-us mold, like A3P, died with a whimper. The world after Hitler is not the same it was before. “Die Juden sind unser Unglück!” is not a road to winning hearts and minds anymore, yet, whatever MacDonald’s intentions have been, that’s the conclusion that arises from his publications, and that’s why the Daily Stormer is quite similar to the daily Stürmer. Not smart.

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    , @Mishra
  22. Ronnie 说:
    @mark green

    I think that Kevin MacDonald makes many original and convincing arguments. The recent critique of CofC is welcome but is unfortunately way off the mark. They do not seem to want to face the basic arguments that implicate the Jews in impacting white culture. Therefore, they create red herrings and trivial questions that are designed to distract innocent people from the real logic and imply that MacDonald is some sort of idiot and also an antisemite. This is far from the truth. I want to say the pieces written by Mark Green in these pages are particularly thoughtful and elegantly summarize the main themes of MacDonald and their significance. This is so important. Very often when you ask very smart people to put their arguments in simple language that ordinary people can grasp, they just veer further off the target and get lost in the logic. However, Mark Green in his postings has simply and elegantly summarized Kevin’s thoughts and arguments in a way that all can appreciate. When I try to explain Kevin’s CofC to my friends, I use what I have learned from Mark Green’s posts and also his Youtube interview with Kevin. Thank you Mark. And thank you to Ron Unz for making this timely discussion possible. It is gratifying to see Kevin MacDonald’s monumental labors noted as worthy of recognition and dissection so that his fascinating work can be evaluated transparently by all.

  23. Sean 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I don’t see much new in Kevin MacDonald’s response to Confas’ critique (which is, by the way, too limited & ahistorical). MacDonald has just re-iterated his old claims:

    *犹太人“遵循群体进化策略”。 除了琐碎的观察,任何人类集体都希望维护自己的身份并繁荣发展,他都没有证明这种策略根本存在。 在这种行为中没有“战略”。

    CH Waddington wrote a book called “The Strategy of the Genes” Dawkins wrote of the Selfish Gene. The explanatory power of natural selection on genes and memes does not require the reasons behind what is being discussed as a “selfish” “strategy” to be in a gene, meme, individual organism , or group’s mind. The group called Jains can be deconstructed to reveal designs that are rational from a group evolutionary strategy viewpoint. So can the group called Jews.

    As to what qualifies as “science” ask Karl Popper

    This paper re-contextualizes Karl Popper’s thought within the anti-nationalist cosmopolitan tradition of the Central European intelligentsia. It argues that, although Popper was brought up in an assimilated Jewish Viennese household, from the perspective of the Jewish Enlightenment or Haskalah tradition, he can be seen to be a modern day heterodox Maskil (scholar). Popper’s ever present fear of anti-Semitism and his refusal to see Judaism as compatible with cosmopolitanism raise important questions as to the realisable limits of the cosmopolitan ideal. His inability to integrate an understanding of Jewishness in his cosmopolitan political ideal resulted in his strong opposition to Zionism and the state of Israel. By comparing Popper’s positions with those of Hermann Cohen, another neo-Kantian philosopher, I argue that although their solutions fall short in certain respects, their arguments have continuing purchase in recent debates on cosmopolitanism and the problem of the integration of minority groups. In addition, the arguments of the Jewish Enlightenment thinkers offer important insights for the current debates on minority integration and xenophobia.

    Thomas Kuhn did a bit better

    Historian and philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn, author of The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (1962), was born in Cincinnati on this date in 1922. His immensely influential book claimed that the progress of science is marked by periodic “paradigm shifts” that open up new understandings of reality unimagined based on previous scientific knowledge, and that scientific truth, at any point in human development, is not a matter of objective fact but of consensus within the scientific community. The Copernican Revolution, for example (as described in his first book in 1957) involved “a transformation of mathematical astronomy, but it embraced conceptual changes in cosmology, physics, philosophy, and religion as well” and “could only be assimilated by men able to create a new physics, a new conception of space, and a new idea of man’s relation to God.” Kuhn’s concept of subjectivity in science very much influenced feminist and postmodernist thought in the so-called social sciences. His teaching years were spent primarily at MIT, although he taught also at Berkeley and Princeton. Kuhn died at 73 in 1996.

    “Under normal conditions the research scientist is not an innovator but a solver of puzzles, and the puzzles upon which he concentrates are just those which he believes can be both stated and solved within the existing scientific tradition.” —Thomas Kuhn

    I am sorry MacDonald’s work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse

    He required no courage to bring it forward, you think?

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  24. tomv 说:
    @Lot

    You sound like iSteve commenter Tiny Duck.

    “You guys are just losers resenting superior black men’s success with white women… blah blah blah”

    There was a time when Jews weren’t quite so successful in America (or at least weren’t admitted to so many country clubs), but God forbid if they would’ve developed any resentment as a result, let alone anti-gentilic ideas. No, sir, the Chosen People are above such based human impulses. High IQ and all that, you know?

    Self-awareness is not your strong suit. All the IQ in the world cannot help you with that.

  25. Pheasant [AKA "edward smith"] 说:
    @Max Denken

    ‘I had to post this, addressed to their apparent chieftain:

    “By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances, you are poisoning the whole kettle of soup. You are doing for it what the “Jews won’t replace us” crowd did for the white cause in Charlottesville. You could not be more effective if you were a Black Ops unit of ZOA or ADL– and perhaps that’s what you are. Go elsewhere, Nazi or false flag Nazi scum. It’s a free country, you can wear svastika armbands, you can hold your own demonstrations, but don’t sabotage it for the rest of us.”’

    Yup.Ok.Excellent. Just as Lot has been trying to do in another part of the comments you are keen to taint Macdonald and his work by association. What the genius wannabe gatekeepers of this comment section have forgotten to take into account however is that *Macdonald’s critique has been around for 20 years*. Where were all of these concerned observers/concern trolls during the two decades Macdonald had to build up his influence, add to his trilogy, start two online journals and become a major factor in alternative politics/ culture.

    Its almost like ignoring him didnt work so now he must be anathematised for the good of the anti-immigration movement-after 20 years!

    哈哈

    you guys can do better than this.

  26. @Sean

    CH Waddington wrote a book called “The Strategy of the Genes” Dawkins wrote of the Selfish Gene. The explanatory power of natural selection on genes and memes does not require the reasons behind what is being discussed as a “selfish” “strategy” to be in a gene, meme, individual organism , or group’s mind.

    Sorry, but this is nothing. Dawkins selfish gene was an interesting hypothesis, but not corroborated by science.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene#Reception

    https://www.researchgate.net/post/Are_Richard_Dawkins_selfish_genes_pseudoscience

    http://www.necsi.edu/projects/evolecol/selfishgene.html

    “Memes” are quackery, like astrology & phlogiston.

    And Popper & Kuhn have nothing to do with the subject.

    Utter rubbish like palmistry & homeopathy.

  27. Max Denken 说:
    @Pheasant

    Not quite. I have keen respect for KMD’s intelligence and academic procedure. I have none for the noisy Nazizoid followers. I only wish KMD cared to turn his analytical gifts on his followers and separated their sound beliefs from their psychotic ones. But he doesn’t, and that tells me something.

    As to the anti-immigration movement, I’ve been at it passively for 30 years of which the last 11 actively. Jews quite offended by KMD’s writings, like Larry Auster and others whose books and contributions are featured at VDare.com, AmRen, C.I.S. etc have been at it for all those 20 years or more. A Jew, Steven Miller, is the greatest friend we have in the WH, Trump included. Another anti-immigration power, Steve Bannon, ran an [inter alia] anti-immigration publishing outfit founded by two Jews in Jerusalem. So what’s this about “anathemizing” the anti-immigration movement. If this movement were limited to KMD acolytes alone, we can say goodbye and switch off the lights.

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    , @36 ulster
  28. anon[375]• 免责声明 说:

    Why is the “default” hypothesis that Jews push leftist causes because they’re higher-IQ, more urban Christians? Why is that more parsimonious than self-interest? Even if I granted that Jews were usually universalistic, I don’t see how it squares the circle of Jews’ obviously hypocritical behavior vis-a-vis ethno-nationalism in the US vs Israel. But, I don’t grant it, because, as Stephen Isaacs explained, Jews “aren’t liberal voters” they are the “most self-interested voters in the society.” * 0 * The fact that Jews aren’t really “liberal” universalists at all by itself debunks Cofnas’ central point.

    Because MacDonald’s work is written essentially as a history, it is always going to be open to accusations of cherry-picking (all histories are), and attacks of what-about-ism, as Cofnas does extensively, “What about Chomsky saying X? What about Marx and Freud who said Y?” * 1 * This is due to the fact that no history book is large enough to include all of the historical record, and therefore must pick a subset of examples from the much larger set of examples that exist in the real world.* 2 *

    MacDonald provides examples and interpretations of motivations, and Cofnas provides counter-examples, and disagrees, that’s all. This isn’t “scientific” in some strict sense. You would need statistics to be “scientific.” And, what do these statistics show about the hypocritical behavior of the broader Jewish community? That MacDonald’s core observations are right, and that Cofnas’ default hypothesis is wrong.

    Firstly, how could you prove or disprove a claim of cherry-picking? One way: Define the whole set of examples to draw from (everything every Jewish intellectual ever said in a historical time frame), and then a method for sampling from that set, and see whether the set of examples that MacDonald drew were representative of all statements of all Jewish intellectuals.* 3 * Cofnas doesn’t do this. * 4 **5* My guess is that no history ever written about a subject this size, that had any thesis, including CofC, would survive this standard (or has been subjected to it, due to impracticality). This does not mean that all of history is “wrong” or “pseudo-science” as Cofnas puts it.

    MacDonald’s theory of Jewish hypocrisy as applied to the whole Jewish community is easily demonstrably true, by just looking at the organizations that Jews give money to. Jews give money to organizations that promote universalistic policies for their hosts, and particularist policies for Israel to a *非常* greater degree than the reverse. (Who gets more money from Jews, AIPAC, or the BDS movement? The SPLC and ADL, or Amren?) For Jews, it is: ethno-nationalism for me in Israel, and universal egalitarianism for their host nations in the diaspora, and they put money behind organization that promote those causes, and money is a very measurable statistic. Why is the most parsimonious assumption, the “default” hypothesis, that Jewish intellectuals are primarily motivated by the same things that motivate high-IQ, urban whites, when hypocritical self-interest is what so clearly motivates the community’s money?

    * 0 * Stephen Isaacs said that Jews “aren’t liberal voters.” That they are the “most self-interested voters in the society” and that they “are afraid of the right” and the Republican party because it had historically been the party that “housed most of the anti-Semites.” He explained that this solved the “paradox” of Jews supposedly voting against their own interests, as the wealthiest group in American society, by voting Democratic and not Republican. Watch his interview with him and Bill Buckley, esp., starting at 24 min.

    * 1 * Even the what-about-isms Cofnas uses are mostly laughable. Chomsky is not “anti-Israel.” Marx wasn’t an anti-Semite just because he said the Jewish God is money, and his anecdote about Freud proves nothing.* 7 *

    * 2 * Did Guns, Germs and Steel, or Hitler’s Willing Executioners cite sources on both sides in a statistically unbiased way? How were they received in contrast to how CofC has been received?

    * 3 * And it would be a monumental undertaking to try.

    * 4 * But, that’s also tricky, because MacDonald’s theory is specifically about Jewish misbehavior and hypocrisy, and people are often careful to conceal their misbehavior.

    * 5 * Did Jews who were austensible universalists push universalisms for their Israel as assiduously as they did for their hosts? Did the ethnonationalistic Israel-supporting Jews alt support ethnonationalism for their hosts in the diaspora as assiduously as they did for Israel.* 6 *

    * 6 * This opens up a whole different discussion about how egregious it is to tolerate a people within your nation that has conflicting loyalties to a foreign one.

    * 7 * The whole quibble about Freud is an anachronism. Cofnas is projecting Israel’s current status as a strong long-established nation, with the status it had almost a century ago, when it was mostly a band of terrorists. It would be like comparing the statements of mainstream “white Christian intellectuals” about a group of white nationalists who cordoned off a part of Canada to form an ethnostate by force *今天* vs. how they would talk about it in the year 2100 when it was established and thriving. “John Doe intellectual in 2018 was anti-annexing-Alberta. Therefore he was a self-hating-White.” The comparison is absurd.

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  29. geokat62 说:

    I originally posted this comment under the Cofnas thread. I think it deserves to be reposted here.

    -----------

    Came across this terrific, but lengthy, interview by Luke Ford (someone with an Anglo-Saxon background who converted to Orthodox Judaism) of both Prof. Kevin MacDonald and PhD candidate Nathan Confas, the co-author of this article.

    鉴于视频的长度,我决定转录我认为福特和 Confas 之间交流中最有趣的部分,从 20:40:33 开始:

    卢克福特——反犹情绪总是不理性的吗?

    Nathan Cofnas – Ah (very long pause) in that general sense, I would say “no.” But a big deal of anti-Jewish sentiment is irrational.

    Luke Ford – Oh, for example, every major American Jewish organization promotes immigration amnesty. They want the 20 to 30 million people in this country here illegally – now, generally low IQ types – who are here in this country illegally, they want to grant them amnesty. And when they make their arguments, they never talk about what’s good for America. They talk about you know these lofty, philosophical, moral things. And so I see all the major Jewish organizations, and that includes the Orthodox Union and the Agudath Israel, they are trying to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes. And so how do I feel about people who try to fill my bedroom with poisonous snakes? I don’t bother about differentiating, I just hate these organizations, and I hate the people who run them, and it’s just like passionate.. and I’m Jewish. So, what is the non-Jew going to think when they see every major American Jewish organization, you know, try to inject poison into the American bloodstream?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s why, as I’ve argued publicly, I think organizations like the ADL are very bad for the Jews in that they are causing much more antisemitism then they’re preventing. In fact, I think they do nothing to prevent antisemitism, at all. I understand why people resent these organizations and why they might blame Jews. Because these organizations themselves pretend to speak on behalf of the Jewish community. So, a non-Jew could take them at their word and say “ok, you represent the Jewish community and you’re advocating something unreasonable”… and, maybe, Jews are unreasonable.

    卢克福特 - 普通犹太人有多少责任让他们的领导人在美国血液中注入毒药?

    Nathan Cofnas – That’s an interesting ethical question. What kind of responsibility does a community have for collective action, the actions of its leaders? I think the Jewish community does have some responsibility to push back against these self-appointed leaders in a more public and aggressive way than we have. I think, insofar as we can be held collectively responsible for our actions, I think Jews have made mistakes in these areas.

    While this is pretty consistent with what I’ve been saying for quite some time, it’s refreshing to see someone from the Jewish community who is honest enough to admit this. Could you imagine our resident maven ever admitting to something like this? I couldn’t.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @Frankie P
  30. Pheasant [AKA "edward smith"] 说:
    @Max Denken

    ‘Jews quite offended by KMD’s writings, like Larry Auster and others whose books and contributions are featured at VDare.com, AmRen, C.I.S. etc have been at it for all those 20 years or more’

    and thier reasoned detailed scholarly rebutals (of CoC) are where? Ive looked. As for Auster it is pretty clear from his writing where his true allegiences lie and I regard him as just another gatekeeper. Thanks for mention Amren whose founder considers Jews white and so to begin with does not see a conflict of interest between Jews and whites regarding immigration. you have a keen respect for his ‘intelligence and academic procedure’ and yet you write ‘I had to post this, addressed to their apparent chieftain:

    “By mixing your crazy shit into legitimate, truthful criticism of Jewish influence, acts and utterances’

    I mean do you realise that Kevin Mcdobald is on record as saying that anyone with an IQ less than 120 shouldn’t publicly discuss the Jewish question? That he has stated that he is ‘horrified’ by the daily stormer. Your fake regard for his intelligence and academic procedure aside, trying to cast a retired academic who has actually given up on the study of Jews and moved onto Europeans, as some kind of Nazi leader is particularly insidious. But seriously why am I arguing with a troll concerned or not.

    • 回复: @Weaver
    , @Max Denken
  31. Weaver 说:

    I don’t know if it contributes anything, but the topic reminds me of Brahmins in India, how they seemed to serve their caste’s group interests, and perhaps also the interests of Hindu society as a whole, by enhancing the complexity of sacrifices, expanding the need for their services.

    So, Brahmans were perhaps an example of symbiosis in Hindu society. At other times, we see elite groups act as parasites.

    We have similar elite struggles in society today, not only by Jews. I’m from the US South. A popular competitor to “blame Jews for many of our problems” is “blame Yankee WASPs”. Also, it’s popular to blame “Communists”, without specifying just which groups tended to be Communists (Jewish and immigrant).

    A concern of mine is always that if we blame others overmuch, we’ll overlook our own flaws. I believe a true elite, a true winning people, figure how to win, don’t simply blame others for the lost utopia.

    So, I tend to blame Anglos for our destruction, simply because I hope that we’ll rise from our ashes just as Rome did after being sacked by Brennus.

    Jews are clearly very powerful in US and European societies today, but their power is also clearly declining. The “Left” in both Europe and the US do not support Israel and perceives Jews as largely European or at least as racist.

    This could mean that Jews suddenly become pro-European, which is fascinating since they’re currently so obsessed with Hitler (or the Cossacks) and the notion that nationalism/tradition leads to gas chambers… One odd example is in how Neocons tend to support Ukrainian nationalists who at least claim to believe things that should be objectionable to Jews. Another odd example is the past friendly relationship between South Africa and Israel.

    Nationalists, however, want a large middle class, do not like the idea of enthroned elites, especially not an elite that identifies as foreign (Jewish). So, it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Jews, consciously or not, wish to preserve their status and wealth, prevent any potential threat to their position. Nationalists wish for a more equitable society. And Leftists (Muslims, Latinos, blacks) wish to overthrow both.

  32. Weaver 说:
    @Pheasant

    Auster would freak out if a topic went into unwanted territory. That was his defence mechanism. He supposedly posted well on other topics, however.

    Stephen Miller is the unusual one, because of his apparent sincerity and forthrightness. Another example was Marcus Epstein (half Korean, half Jewish) who was once condemned as a “white nationalist” for simply being friends with the Buchanans.

    I don’t really know enough to make a list of “good Jews”. Breitbart and Antiwar (many Jews there?) are fascinating.

    Regarding IQ, I believe an additional requirement should be that a person has been educated by a Paleo. Too many comment on Jews without seeming to have the most basic understanding of culture, history and political science. For example, Dr. Fleming likes Aristotle’s Politics. If a person is familiar with that, it’s a great start. There are just a few books I believe a person should be familiar with to have a basic level of education. Paleos tend to have a list of maybe 20 books or so, but it’s really not an overwhelming number to read to achieve “educated” status.

    My intent isn’t to be condescending; my intent is to say that while IQ is important, it is not everything. If a person can’t become Christian, then he should at least be familiar with the classical pagans (and possibly also some Christian works even if lacking faith.) The schools teach a great deal, just little to do with education.

  33. 36 ulster 说:
    @Max Denken

    Good comments concerning Mr. MacDonald’s essay. “Edward Smith’s” criticisms of you and the late, patriotic Lawrence Auster are great examples of how one can be tyrannized by small differences–or by the purity of one’s convictions, as the case may be. By the way, I very much appreciated your recent essay on the recent tensions between the Polish and Israeli governments, and of the complexity of the relationship between Poland’s Jews and Catholics.

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  34. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Nathan Cofnas

    科夫纳斯先生,

    我没有阅读所有内容,但是您的大部分评论/回复。

    根据我的经验,智商高的城市绅士受精英出版物和出版社等的影响很大,其中许多是由犹太人控制的,因此,我认为他们的态度和世界观往往并不完全属于自己,而是顺从的。

    《纽约时报》有意识地将目标对准了 30 万美国中产阶级和富裕阶层。 它是一份全国性的报纸; 只有大约 11% 的读者在纽约。https://www.unz.com/article/the-elites-have-no-credibility-left/#p_1_17:2-30

    The emergence of Israel as the Messianic fulfillment of the Judaic dream, in addition to adding tangible religious dimension to World Judaism outside America, made the American Jews the most pervasive ethnic influence of America. 之所以如此,是因为美国犹太教,就像美国天主教一样,已经渗透到两个政党中,可能会影响任何美国政府的政策。 The Jewish campaign, conducted with hammering persistence via a national media, a large proportion of which was controlled by Jewish interests, affected the policy of the USA.
    [...]
    http://www.reformation.org/holoc14.html The Vatican’s Holocaust By Avro Manhattan

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-killing-of-history/#comment-2019265

    Avro Manhattan was ethnically Jewish:

    Born in Milan, Italy on April 6, 1914 to American and Swiss/Dutch parents of Jewish extraction, Manhattan was originally known as “Teofilo Lucifero Gardini” in his early days in Italy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan#Life_and_career

    I would also like to draw your attention to this article by Paul Gottfried, in which he distinguishes between the behaviors of Eastern and Western European Jews:

    东欧犹太人与边缘化精英的案例

    The Dissident Right may find Verbeeten controversial as well. Though Kevin MacDonald argues his theory about Jewish group behavior ably, I believe it is unwarranted to generalize about the social behavior of all Jews simply because of the behavior of Eastern European Jews. [In Search of Anti-Semitism, by Paul Gottfried, Takimag, April 6, 2009] Other Jewish immigrants in other times and places have behaved very differently, including backing causes which today would be called reactionary or even “racist.”

    https://www.unz.com/pgottfried/eastern-european-jews-and-the-case-of-the-marginalized-elite/

    在这次富有洞察力的采访中,采访者和罗森塔尔先生的犹太人身份以及他们对以色列的关注突出显示:
    [...]
    亚伯拉罕·迈克尔(Abraham Michael“ AM” Rosenthal)是《纽约时报》的执行编辑兼专栏作家。 罗森塔尔(Rosenthal)于1960年因国际报道而获得普利策奖。

    在 Leon Charney 报道的这一集中,AM Rosenthal 谈到了他作为一名犹太记者的经历,并讨论了中东、宗教、人权问题。
    [...]
    He was hired when Max Frankel was executive editor (1986-1994). Mr. Frankel is Jewish too, but he is of German-Jewish descent, whereas Mr. Rosenthal was of Eastern-European Jewish descent, I believe; read about the important and big difference this can make here:

    东欧犹太人与边缘化精英的案例

    https://www.unz.com/pgottfried/eastern-european-jews-and-the-case-of-the-marginalized-elite/

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-elites-have-no-credibility-left/#comment-2038592

    哈纳尔线
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line

    hajnal行上的重要摘要

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/

  35. anon[272]• 免责声明 说:
    @Nathan Cofnas

    内森

    6/8 of Sweden’s largest “morning” and “evening” newspapers are owned by families with significant Jewish heritage (Hjorne and Bonnier). The other 2/8 by “foreign banks.”

    See these comments:
    评论1
    评论2
    评论3
    It doesn’t require an “ad hoc” explanation to understand how Jewish families have tremendous influence in Sweden despite their small numbers*: “How is it that your royal family is as powerful as my royal family, when my royal family has twice as many members? Incon-theivable!”

    Also, are Germans maybe stricken by Holocaust guilt?

    * * *

    Cofnas, I’ve been trying to find good *基本的* sources on Ashkenazi IQ and I’m having a hard time. The sources I have found give estimates all over the map. Maybe you are familiar with such sources, esp., since Jewish intelligence is referenced in your paper.

    例如,参见 这张桌子. The studies with the largest sample sizes are Backman and Shuey (1236 and 764) and the IQ scores listed are 107.8 and “1.2 below the white mean.”**
    Also, this blogger estimated the Jewish IQ to be 102
    by averaging a set of scores. You could argue that they should have been weighted and summed differently, but it begs the questions: how and why? Also, is this comment true?: “I learned that most studies of American Jews are not very representative, because samples are often drawn just from New York city or from children in Orthodox schools.” I often see the number 115 quoted for Ashkenazi IQ. I wonder where 115 is coming from? Perhaps a cherry picking of the highest-end estimate.

    And, if the Jewish IQ advantage were genetic in origin, why does the only data we have on Jewish brain size, discussed by Maurice Fishberg, suggest that their brains are smaller than white Gentile brains by 2 cubic inches? You could note that Cochran provides evidence of heterozygote advantage for Tay-Sachs-like diseases, but the Irish also have a high rate of Tay-Sachs. Are they known for their high IQs?

    * Jews are less than 0.5% of Sweden’s population
    ** The highest score is actually an estimate by MacDonald (117), but he also says that he defers to Lynn on this data, and I believe Lynn’s estimate to currently be around 111, but I don’t know how he came to that number, because I don’t have his raw data.

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    , @Wally
  36. anon[276]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    Oops, I missed 此链接. The quote I find most interesting is: “I learned that most studies of American Jews are not very representative, because samples are often drawn just from New York city or from children in Orthodox schools.”

    Yes, I wonder how representative are these studies? Esp., when you consider that Israel’s IQ tends to be estimated at or below 95. (some of the studies have included Arabs and some excluded, and unfortunately none of then separated “Oriental” Jews which requires a employing a crude weighting and summing scheme to estimate the Ashkenazi score, as Lynn uses.)

    Also, this page notes that Tay-Sachs is also common among the Irish, Cajuns and a population of French Canadians. Perhaps frequency in some small inbred groups is due to genetic drift and not selection for IQ, as I’ve seen suggested in at least one paper.

    • 回复: @Alden
  37. M. A. Head 说:

    The Protestant Reformation is the main reason for Jewish involvement in various political and intellectual movements, which may seem Universalist on the surface, but as Mr. MacDonald has pointed out, are indeed ethnically driven.

    Protestantism goes hand in hand with Secularism and Ethnic Nationalism.

    Secularism does not require Jews to convert to Christianity in order to participate in Civic life in the Western World.

    Ethnic Nationalism was promoted by Martin Luther in his attacks on the Catholic Church and his translation of the Bible into a common German vernacular.

    This then opened the door to to ethnic Romanticism and the revival of folk languages, arts, and music across Europe, as well as ethnocentric political movements, in which Zionism is just one of many. As was Nazism.

    This then results in a “Blood and Soil” mentality ,whether it be in Israel, Serbia, Russia, or anywhere else.

    Though America , and perhaps Canada, are historical exceptions to this. The North American version of “Blood and Soil” is more like the Hazing that goes on when you try to join a Fraternity in College.

    So you can convert to being American, but you cannot convert to being an ethnic Jew.

    Though you could try to convert to the religion of Judaism. However, the Rabbis are obligated to dissuade you, which is probably for the best, because within five generations, your offspring would be considered, ETHNIC JEWS, and then would claim to be original descendants of the country which we are now calling Israel!

    Prior to the Protestant Reformation if you had left Judaism (or were excommunicated), you would simply join the once Universal Catholic Church, where you would then proceed to attack , or advocate for, fellows Jews from within the confines of The Church.

    Which also occurred during the Communist era.

    I should add that while many remember Karl Marx to be a Jew, I prefer to remember him as a fellow Lutheran.

    Jewish apostates tend to be returned to the fold after they are dead. Which is also the case with Spinoza and Jesus.

    That’s right, some Jews have to be dead for a specific period of time, before they are considered Jewish again. Obviously there is a Talmudic way of calculating this “waiting” period. For Marx it was only a few days A.D., for Jesus, a few thousand years.

    As for Marx:

    In the US, Jews who immigrated from Eastern Europe abandoned Marxism, Communism, or involvement in the Labor Movement as their economic status improved.

    One might argue that their economic status improved due to the immigration of non white low skilled workers from the developing world, or high skilled immigrants who typically undercut the wages of other native born workers.

    Obviously this serves the interests of corporate elites, most of whom are not Jewish.

    This is also why immigration was promoted in the middle of the Civil Rights Movement.

    This was done to achieve several things:
    1) It maintained white supremacy at the very top of US Society.
    2) It pitted white working class people against black working class people. And with that, the rapid deconstruction of labor unions.
    和,
    3) As a reward, Jews were then able to raise up a tiny “chosen few” of other ethnic minority groups, who would then defend their various causes, or Israel since 1967.

    Here again, most of those causes served only to make you poorer.

    Let’s take woman’s “rights” in the work place as an example:

    This did indeed destroy the Family Wage which men used to earn working 40 hours a week.

    Which was replaced by two family members working 80 or more hours a week, for a combined income which is less than what one man used to earn alone back in the sixties, adjusted for inflation.

    With the destruction of your wages complete, Jews then turn their attention toward various “humanitarian” causes and charitable activities, which here again, serves the interests of other wealthy elites.

    I don’t have the space to list them all here.

    However, the stunning range of activities, on both the left and the right, funded by the vary same Jewish Institutions, who seem to fund anything as long as the word “Jewish” is on the grant application. ……You know, because they are keeping young people interested in “Judaism” which now includes Transgenderism, though next year may include funding Bar Mitzvahs for pet iguanas.

    If promoting LGBTXYZ and Iguana Rights lifted the income of the poor in my country or abroad, I might consider it a worthy activity. However, as any straight man knows, this is a potential weapon that can be used against him in the workplace.

    Which is what multiculturalism, feminism, and identity politics generally does.

    It is designed to break solidarity amongst workers and make you live in fear of the person working next to you. It turns the workplace into a cultural mine field where workers never know exactly what the right or wrong thing to do or say is. In such a situation, he who speaks the least, lasts the longest.

    Cultural Castration. Soft Totalitarianism.

    总共,

    Jews are Corporate Tools.

    P.S. I am certified Kosher Caterer, so if you need me to bake a kugel for the Bar Mitzvahs of any of your household pets, please let me know.

  38. I would like to thank Nathan Cofnas for writing his weak and unconvincing criticism of 批判文化, because by doing so he prompted Kevin MacDonald to write this excellent response, which contains links to all of his best post-1998 essays at VDARE, TOO, and elsewhere.

    将所有这些链接放在一个地方是一种宝贵的资源。

    • 同意: mark green
  39. Liza 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    @Bardon. About the overrepresentation of jewz as violin virtuosi. A nonjew, nonasian, ie, a white person, could play like Paganini himself, but whether we know of such a person or not depends on who owns and runs the recording companies, and who is heavily influential in the symphony orchestras and so on. And that is one reason why there appear to be an outlandish number of jews playing classical violin and other classical instruments. In any case, their playing of western music on western instruments is a serious case of cultural appropriation.

  40. anon[128]• 免责声明 说:
    @Nathan Cofnas

    How common would it be for leading Jewish public intellectuals like Christina Hoff Sommers and Steven Pinker to very publicly and without reservation, lend their support/endorsement * 1 * to a paper whose core thesis were that: Whites were over-represented relative to blacks in *任何* category (billionaires, academics, Nobel prizes winner, intellectual movements) because they have higher IQs than blacks, as your paper alleges the cause of the disparity between Whites and Jews is?

    Pinker’s comment
    Christina’s comment.
    She called MacDonald’s work “anti-semitic.” Why is it anti-Semitic to say that Jews are biased and have double standards, (or ad hominem, as you accused MacDonald of engaging in)* 4 * but it’s not anti-Gentilic to say that whites are underrepresented because they’re just dumber than Jews are? Would not such an explanation for White Black disparities be widely denounced as racist?

    Also, why is it “ad hominem” for MacDonald to suggest (in a glancing and debatable way) that you’re biased, and not ad hominem for you to call his work “shoddy” and suggest he’s incompetent. “You’re biased” well “you’re incompetent.” I don’t see how either of these are ad hominem assuming both accusations were made in good faith. And, since MacDonald’s core thesis is that Jews often engage in motivated reasoning, and, a disclosure of your heritage was not apparent in your papers, * 2 * (I didn’t see it, is it there?), wasn’t it particularly apt in this case to mention it, if only in the most ambiguous and glancing way?

    * 1 * In the last 60 years?

    * 2 * Maybe you could have disclosed your Jewish background in the 1st or 2nd portion of the paper.* 3 * (Though this would probably not be necessary if your name were Mordechai Cofnasowitz)

    * 3 * If a black academic had accused white academics of engaging in white supremacy, exclusionary nepotism, and self-serving academic bias, against blacks, and a white academic with a not-obviously white name had written a critical response, I’d think it appropriate that he note his ethnic background in his paper in an obvious way.

    * 4 * By the way, is it not the height of hypocrisy, for a Jew to accuse someone of ad hominem for dismissing his criticism because he’s a Jew, when Gentiles get dismissed as anti-Semites all the time for offering the most modest of criticisms for Jews or Israel? Jews also occasionally get accused of being self-haters if they go *很多* further, but to pretend that there’s no double standard in how Jews treat from within and without would be ridiculous. This is another example of the “Jew cries out in paid as he strike you” phenonomen.

    • 回复: @anon
  41. anon[581]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    Last paragraph’s penultimate sentence should read: “but to pretend that there’s no double standard in how Jews treat *批评* from within and without would be ridiculous.”

    Also, I wanted to point out that data on Jewish/Gentile IQ disparities are much shoddier than data on White/Black disparities are, for which we have corroborating brain size data and the Minnesota cross-adoption twin study, both of which also bolster the argument for a genetic connection. I hope it isn’t simultaneously anti-Semitic for me to say that Jews shouldn’t be over-represented in left wing movements because they have higher IQs and simultaneously “racist” to say that whites *应该* over-represented in academia because they have higher IQs, when the evidence for the latter vastly outweighs the evidence for the former? Why does the former garner someone praise and the latter derision and ostracism?

    Evidence for higher Jewish IQ consists of mostly shoddy, non-representative and small sample size studies. The IQ data out of Israel appears to contradict it (even when you factor in the Arab and “Oriental” portions of the Jewish population of Israel, it’s hard to see how the Ashkenazis have IQs above 105, probably more like 102). Also, the Tay-Sachs-like-disease explanation is highly speculative. The fact that Jews, like Pinker, run around trumpeting this stuff, and yet give MacDonald the cold shoulder, tells me really everything I need to know about where he’s coming from.**

    ** Tay-Sachs has never been shown to boost IQs in heterozygotes, and it’s common among the Irish. I’ve not researched torsion dystonia extensively, but, really, this one disease boosts IQ 10 points? Albinos and children with myopia are also remarked (and in the latter case, demonstrated) to have higher intelligence. Could this be because they sit inside and read all day? Could the Jewish Schul culture cause both Myopia and high verbal IQ? Myopia has gone from like 10% in more urban parts of east Asia, to over 70% today. Maybe that has to do with behavior and not fluctuations in genetic frequencies? Evidence against a genetic Jewish IQ advantage is much stronger and requires less elaborate theories. Brain Size. See Maurice Fishberg’s data, though the sample size is small. Is not a more parsimonious explanation for Jewish/Gentile IQ disparities (the the extent it exists) the culture Jews have in the diaspora have of going into the professions? Isn’t culture usually a more parsimonious explanation than genetics is in closely related groups like Jews and Gentiles? (That said, I’m not claiming that you pass judgement on the etiology of Jewish/Gentile differences, except perhaps insofar is you reference Cochran)

    • 回复: @anon
  42. Svigor 说:

    Holy geez, 18k words. Gonna take some time to read and process this. 🙂

    What springs to mind while reading this response is that Jews who are reading this exchange are probably thinking, “this is why we have to suppress free inquiry and freedom of expression among the goyim. Look at what this one goy did with the intellectual matches and lighter fluid of Evolutionary Psychology.”

    Regarding Soros

    Regarding Soros, I take him about as seriously (in the context of this conversation) as I’d take Doctors Without Borders, if the latter focused more of their efforts on the first world than they did on the third world. I.e., I would not take Doctors Without Borders’ stated aims very seriously, in that case. I would assume their stated aims and their true aims to be quite different. I certainly wouldn’t take seriously their claims of going where the need is most desperate. If Soros was really serious about fighting against particularism, closed borders, etc., he would make Israel central, not peripheral. In fact, he would ignore every other country in “the west” until he’d cracked the Israeli nut, given how they are the worst offenders and his (ostensible) sort have made no progress there.

  43. Svigor 说:

    That said, I am sorry MacDonald’s work had been basically ignored in academic community. In my opinion, not due to Jewish grip on intellectual discourse, but to dumbification of academia- there is not such thing as intellectual discourse anymore.

    Funny how that has accompanied the rise of the brilliant Jews in academia…

    MacDonald’s main problems is that he’s motivated by resentment of successful academics, leading him to adopt his antisemitic grant theories first, then look for evidence to support it.

    Jews’ problem is they got nothin, so they gotta grab for argumentum ad hominem. At bottom, it’s about their misanthropy.

    Cofnas was nice enough to generously give MacDonald the time of day, put Pinker is the one who has the better argument:

    Pinker: “I didn’t read it. Here’s what’s wrong with it. Also, I’m an asshat.”

    Brilliant arguments.

  44. Svigor 说:

    Kevin, if you’re looking to write another book, you have one waiting for you right here, in the comments section of the iSteve Blog. “Conservative Jews” here have, as one of their main missions, defending Jewry; making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews. Their Jewishness trumps their “conservatism.” This has played out over and over again for many years.

    • 回复: @Lot
  45. Svigor 说:

    Whoops, forgot the quote:

    MacDonald likes to think of himself as concerned with the fate of American whites, but in fact he and his Nazi buddies are completely rejected by the vast majority of the center and far right in the USA, who are the most profound supporters in the entire world of their Jewish brothers in both the USA and the Holy Land.

    “I, and the rest of the Jewish Internet Defense Force, who work tirelessly to defend The Tribe and steer the dissident right toward Jewish interests, are living proof that the dissident right are nobodies.”

    A self-defeating argument.

    • 回复: @Lot
  46. Svigor 说:

    Thank you for your work, Kevin. I’m sorry that you have had to pay the price for Jews’ inability to live up to proper academic standards.

    In other words, I began to see myself as having a dog in this fight.

    It’s astounding how hard it can be to get Whites to see things this way.

    Cofnas 的大部分批评都依赖于我认为犹太社区是整体的这一主张。 因此,他一再举出反对犹太人或参与我所讨论的犹太运动的人(例如,对以色列的犹太批评家、对左派的犹太批评家)的各种知识和政治观点的犹太人的例子。 相反,正如下面将显而易见的,我认为犹太社区具有重要的观点多样性。 然而,我这本书的目的是研究具有影响力的运动,并确定犹太人在这些运动中的角色。 这完全符合一些犹太人的异议。

    Personally, I’ve never found a need to get too far into the Group Evolutionary Theory aspects of your work. Instead I prefer to cite examples of Jewish behavior and influence, note the patterns, and let people draw their own conclusions. People seem to like it when you leave the equation open-ended: 2 + 2 = ? They seem to want to do a bit of the math.

    That said, the fact that Jews always use this argument (“Jews aren’t monolithic”) implies that they seem to think it’s effective. If they’re right, then a few dissenters would seem a plausible element in an ethnic strategy.

    My usual analogy is a hostile Indian tribe. If a tribe sends 90% of its braves to ambush and murder white homesteaders, but 10% of the braves stay home to defend the women and children and make a few noises, the tribe can make this same “dissent by some braves” sort of argument, should things go badly and the tribe face judgment. This needn’t even be a conscious strategy; some or all of the braves staying at home could genuinely prefer not to go raiding, or even conscientiously object. The key part is that the whites find the “10% of braves stayed home” argument persuasive somehow; if they do, then there’s an added incentive for them to stay home.

    2. Cofnas proposes a “default hypothesis” of Jewish involvement in twentieth-century liberal movements, namely: Because of Jewish intelligence and geography—particularly intelligence—Jews are likely to be overrepresented in any intellectual movement or activity that is not overtly anti-Semitic.”

    LOL, you seem to be stating Cofnas’ ideas more cogently than Cofnas, or indeed most Jews do. They don’t seem to like putting things that simply, instead characterizing “anti-semitism” as stupid or otherwise bad, and basing Jewish opposition on that.

    The trouble with the ensuing conversation is that Jews eventually have to admit that Whites having for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel is “anti-semitic.” Jews oppose reciprocity.

    I agree that in general and for obvious reasons, Jews won’t be attracted to theories that cast Jews in a bad light

    Jews have the option of setting up their own alternatives to White Nationalism that get the job done without “anti-semitism.” They choose not to do so because White Nationalism involves reciprocity; Whites having for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel. This isn’t “anti-semitic,” it’s just square trade. Jews are hostile to this, (a facet of the main) principle of White Nationalism not because it is “anti-semitic,” but because it isn’t in Jewish interests.

    Exposing Jewish behavior is a winning strategy for pro-Whites. It leverages philo-Semitism toward White Zionism. “If the Jews do it, so can we!”

    Also, as Cofnas notes, every non-anti-semitic intellectual movement in the West is heavily Jewish, from Communism to Austrian school economics. Not to mention things like chess, computer programming, and theoretical physics that have little to nothing to do with politics.

    Again, Jews could offer philo-Semitic alternatives to White Nationalism. They don’t because reciprocity is not in Jewish interests. “Israel for me, multiculturalism for thee.”

    You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in “group evolution.”

    They are. Whether Jews got their genetic predisposition toward ethnocentrism entirely from their West Asian background, or whether they added to it in the European diaspora, is an open question, though.

    Actually they can, but are not needed here, nor are they right as a matter of principle. But if you want to harm free speech and see it restricted, abusing your rights in obnoxious ways is the best way to do so.

    “The more you tighten your grip, Jews, the more goys will slip through your fingers.”

    Crackdowns will not prove effective. They will drive people further into the dissident right.

    Given that MacDonald et al strike me as sincere, how on earth to they live with themselves knowing all the damage they cause? At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media’s pet used to smear Christian Conservatives, show signs of just knowing they are engaged in a venal scam. I think the antisemites just are just childish attention addicts, aware of the harm they are causing to actual, effective American nationalists, but unable to stop themselves.

    If you’re worried about which group causes the most harm to the right, the answer is obvious: Jews.

    Self-awareness is not your strong suit. All the IQ in the world cannot help you with that.

    Jewish culture is a lot like a legal defense strategy; oriented toward exoneration, regardless of guilt or innocence. Criminal defense lawyers are stereotyped as saying “if you’re guilty, I don’t wanna know.” Jews are the same way.

    Once a crime family has gotten away with too many crimes, it assumes an air of invincibility, and its downfall becomes inevitable.

    This is what has happened to Jews time and time again. Jews are the source of “antisemitism,” and until they get that through their thick kopfs, they’re going to continue to have the same problem.

    “Jews won’t replace us”

    Is there any evidence that this was the chant? Why we’re supposed to let 犹太人 replace us, when resisting anyone else replacing us would be hunky-dorey, apparently, is one thing. But I’ve never seen it shown that “Jews won’t replace us” was the chant. I’m not going to trust (((Big Media))) and the JIDF on the subject, that’s for sure. Is there an admission from alt-righters that this was in fact the chant?

    Not quite. I have keen respect for KMD’s intelligence and academic procedure. I have none for the noisy Nazizoid followers. I only wish KMD cared to turn his analytical gifts on his followers and separated their sound beliefs from their psychotic ones. But he doesn’t, and that tells me something.

    That he’s mirroring the Jewish Strategy?

    • 回复: @Lot
  47. Svigor 说:

    Not quite. I have keen respect for KMD’s intelligence and academic procedure. I have none for the noisy Nazizoid followers. I only wish KMD cared to turn his analytical gifts on his followers and separated their sound beliefs from their psychotic ones. But he doesn’t, and that tells me something.

    Jews should probably read up on the Socratic Method. Where has all the Jewish criticism of Jews been? All that Jewish criticism of Whites is lonely, needs company.

  48. Svigor 说:

    MacDonald likes to think of himself as concerned with the fate of American whites, but in fact he and his Nazi buddies are completely rejected by the vast majority of the center and far right in the USA, who are the most profound supporters in the entire world of their Jewish brothers in both the USA and the Holy Land.

    Diaspora Jews (overwhelmingly “leftist”) are the most profound supporters of diaspora and Israeli Jewry. Obviously. White support is a mile wide and an inch deep; it’ll stop when the money does.

  49. @Pheasant

    You are foaming at the mouth as you people usually do. I have no time for this level of discourse. Until you and yours sober up, you have forfeited the legitimacy of the JQ issues you care about, some of which are valid, important and worthy of a wide public debate. You do not serve your cause well.

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  50. Max Denken 说:
    @36 ulster

    Thank you. I didn’t like Auster’s personality, but so what? He was the American Socrates; opened more American eyes in the special, pithy way of his than anyone else I can think of. Of course, written off by the Streicher-Yockey-Weber-Linder-MacDonald-Sunic crowd because of his tainted DNA.

    Among many others, I’ve published a total of 5 essays with some comments about Jews, always negative but carefully and judiciously so. In each case I disclosed, to be fair, that I am part Jewish and that my parents were victims of the Holocausts (pl). You have no idea what stream of insult and obloquy outpoured in the comments section of each of those, usually of the sort that I am a joojoojoo doing PR work for the joos and my jooing won’t joo the white people. These keepers of the purity of the race are such morons that they are several levels below Adolf himself. As as a mischlinge and a born Catholic, I’d qualify enough as a German to be drafted to the 3rd Reich Wehrmacht, but for these people my arguments are tainted because I am a joo. I must say, my respect for his intellect notwithstanding, that Dr. MacDonald has resorted to this kind of blanket dismissal of blood-tainted critics in probably more than Pinker, Auster, and one other case I know of.

    • 回复: @Wally
  51. Lot 说:
    @Svigor

    so they gotta grab for argumentum ad hominem

    I am simply performing the same examination of the motivation MacDonald has for his ideology that he purports to perform on, I suppose, me.

    KMac: You believe X because of group evolutionary strategy of societal destruction.

    Lot: You believe X because of personal failures.

    Could you explain why one is ad hominem and the other isn’t?

    “I, and the rest of the Jewish Internet Defense Force, who work tirelessly to defend The Tribe and steer the dissident right toward Jewish interests, are living proof that the dissident right are nobodies.”

    I have been following Steve Sailer’s blog and writing since about 2001. When he moved here, I started trolling the various anti-Semites Unz promotes when I had some free time.

    I have posted specific facts and reasons why rightist anti-semitism in the USA is utterly harmless and ineffective, such as polls showing the right is extremely and 日益 philosemitic. You have never attempted to refute this, nor could you.

    If I cared to combat anti-semitism (I don’t, rather I just like being right on the Internet, same as you), I would not be here, but on high traffic left-wing wing blogs, or doing op-eds. Or even more effectively, working my day job and using those earnings to fund college Hasbaras.

    In fact, you quite well know I am right, and that MacDonald and neonazis are paleoconservatives’ own embarrassment, akin to the New Black Panthers, Westboro Bapstist, the half-dozen Maoists who sometimes show up at left wing events, etc.

  52. Lot 说:
    @Svigor

    Given that MacDonald et al strike me as sincere, how on earth to they live with themselves knowing all the damage they cause? At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media’s pet used to smear Christian Conservatives, show signs of just knowing they are engaged in a venal scam. I think the antisemites just are just childish attention addicts, aware of the harm they are causing to actual, effective American nationalists, but unable to stop themselves.

    If you’re worried about which group causes the most harm to the right, the answer is obvious: Jews.

    I notice you have responded to this same quote three separate times without explicitly disagreeing with it or saying why.

    Sure, left wing Jews are very effective against the right, just as right-wing Jews are very effective against the left. Any of you JQ types do 1/10 the good work of Ed Blum, Stephen Miller, or Rebekah Mercer?

    The difference is that MacDonald purports to be on the nationalist right, but in fact is a puppet and partner of the left in delegitimizing the nationalist right.

    Tell you what, my theory that your task is hopeless and tactics grossly countereffective I will admit may be wrong if Paul Nehlan, who is such a MacDonaldist he has hired MacDonald to his campaign, is elected or at least comes close to doing so.

    If he falls flat on his face, will you consider making a similar concession?

    It a way Nehlan is going to be an exciting test of “countersemitism.” So many of you all who run for office are obvious loser wackadoodles, it isn’t fair to draw conclusions from their failures. But Nehlan is a perfectly normal, sane, and plausible US Congressman. His district is extremely white, conservative, and non-Jewish. He has enough personal wealth to fund at least a minimal campaign, and he has already run once and knows the drill.

    • 回复: @John Gruskos
    , @Anonymous
  53. @Lot

    Spencer even got a Hitler Youth haircut

    Well, of course. His Deep State handlers told him to.

    At least the Westboro Baptist people, who play a similar role as the media’s pet used to smear Christian Conservative

    They’re part of the show too, of course. You need to figure out what is real and what is synthetic.

    • 回复: @Lot
  54. @Lot

    polls showing the right is extremely and increasingly philosemitic

    You left out a few key words. The above should read:

    polls showing the phony, controlled opposition right is extremely and increasingly philosemitic

  55. @Pheasant

    you guys can do better than this.

    I doubt that frankly.

    Well, maybe you’re just in a generous mood…

  56. @Lot

    I have been following Steve Sailer’s blog and writing since about 2001.

    And each year of reading iSteve resulted in an average drop of 3 IQ points, leading to your current state of abject intellectual squalor.

    • 哈哈: L.K
    • 回复: @Lot
    , @iffen
  57. @Liza

    About the overrepresentation of jewz as violin virtuosi. A nonjew, nonasian, ie, a white person, could play like Paganini himself, but whether we know of such a person or not depends on who owns and runs the recording companies, and who is heavily influential in the symphony orchestras and so on. And that is one reason why there appear to be an outlandish number of jews playing classical violin and other classical instruments.

    I don’t quite understand your argument. It seems to me that Jews (alright, persons of Jewish origin) are over-represented as violin virtuosi; this is so clear that needs not evoking some conspiracy theories.

    For instance, Jews are over-represented among art collectors & dealers, but Jewish presence among great 20th C painters is not formidable at all. I can think of only a few visual artists of Jewish origin worth noticing (Modigliani, Soutine, Chagall & perhaps 1-2 others). Also, American Jews are vastly over-represented in publishing industry, but American Jewish imaginative writers (Saul Bellow, Philip Roth,…) are not too numerous when compared with Gentile American novelists (Gaddis, Pynchon, Updike, McCarthy, DeLillo,..).

    There is no need to construct conspiracies when one group of people is more prominent in some areas (blacks in basketball; Jews in performing arts).

    As for cultural appropriation- only good stuff is worthy of being “appropriated”.

    • 回复: @Liza
  58. Lot 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Does insulting me make you feel better about being a loser ex-pat?

  59. Lot 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    “His Deep State handlers told him to.”

    Something about you autism spectrum computer programmers makes you unaware of how normal people don’t normally need to be told what to do, leading you to create conspiracy theories to explain behavior by like minded individuals.

    Nobody in the “deep state” told Spencer to become a Nazi clown to damage Trump. He simply saw that the MSM needed a new Nazi clown since Duke was getting old and lived in Switzerland, and he stepped forward to volunteer.

    I bet you would find very few conspiracy theorists have a successful history with team sports, sales, and other areas requiring a lot of non-verbal communication. A Deep State barking out orders creates the sense of order over human behavior your nuerotype can’t understand.

    You would be more successful at reaching your goals if you would take the time to acknowledge your cognitive biases and limitations and then tried to work around them.

    • 同意: Tyrion 2
    • 回复: @Jonathan Revusky
  60. @Lot

    Stephen Miller’s primary contribution to American history was to successfully sell Donald Trump to the American nationalist right.

    Now that Donald Trump has shown himself to be a fraud who 始终如一 implements the exact opposite of 一切 he promised during the campaign, it can be accurately said that Stephen Miller’s political career has been a catastrophe for America.

    Miller did just enough good as a student activist and as aide to Jeff Sessions to gain enough credibility to help elect Trump.

    But it is now clear that the most important lesson of the entire Donald Trump episode was that Kevin MacDonald and the rest of the antisemitic right were not antisemitic enough.

    If they were 100% convinced of correctness of their own theories about Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism, they never would’ve trusted Jared Kushner’s father-in-law.

    The fact that they unanimously and strenuously supported Trump’s candidacy shows that they were not 100% convinced of their own theories.

    Indeed, they 通缉 their theory to be proven wrong.

    They wanted a man like Trump, utterly immersed in Jewish family, friends and business associates, to be the one who freed America from the “invade the world, invite the world” paradigm.

    Anyone 100% convinced that most members of the Jewish elite believe “Is it good for the Jews?” is the only valid moral code, would have been able to precisely predict the actual course of events in the Trump administration:

    Bannon and Sessions viciously stabbed in the back; military action against enemies designated by Israel (Russia, Syria, Yemen); massive tax cuts for Mr. Adelson; no meaningful new restrictions on legal or illegal immigration; full support for Obama’s unconstitutional executive amnesty for illegal aliens (DACA); the 2nd amendment extremely undermined; and Doug Jones, not Mo Brooks, filling Sessions’ old senate seat.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @utu
  61. Anonymous [AKA "Ankh"] 说:
    @Lot

    Oh geez some nobody was nice enough to write a terrible critique of an obviously superior academics massive 3 book series after skimming one of the books, wow we should all be really thankful. Please. MacDonald drew this response because he can’t be ignored any longer, Peterson is being made a fool of by his own fans.

    I don’t even agree with MacDonald but thinking Cofnas is in the same weight class as him is a bad joke. Pinker is far smarter but even his response is garbage, which is often the case with Pinker when he tries to expand his reach outside his comfort zone. If Pinker (or Peterson) took CofC seriously I have no doubt he could write an interesting rebuttal, but as of now what we have is CofC and a bunch of Liberal cant as a response.

    • 回复: @Lot
  62. Liza 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Noticing that some cultural groups support their own kind out of all proportion to their actual talents is a conspiracy?

  63. utu 说:
    @John Gruskos

    Now that Donald Trump has shown himself to be a fraud who consistently implements the exact opposite of everything he promised during the campaign

    Not everything. He promised to be good to Israel and bad to Iran.

  64. Dunnyveg 说:

    Some well-deserved praise, and a quibble on MacDonald’s work:

    The reason there hasn’t been a real academic critique of KMD’s CofC is because he did a superb job of marshaling the facts and evidence. I was taught many of the same things in college, except these same movements were extolled as being “progress”. KMD for me is a profile in courage, and thus an inspiration. When I suffer some of the same opprobrium KMD suffered, I look to the example he has set for all of us.

    As for the quibble, being a scientist, KMD is naturally also a materialist. Among other things, materialism assumes determinism, which in this context is the absence of any kind of free will. Certainly it was genetically determined that I would never be an athlete or musician. But do our genes really determine all the small decisions we make, such as whether we’re going to have lunch at McDonald’s or Wendy’s? Did our genes directly determine what clothes we put on this morning? I doubt it, and this is what determinism would mean.

    It appears to me to be the case that what our genes do is to provide us with capacity in varying amounts. For example, some of us are good at music, math, the kind of things we’re doing here, or just about every other human endeavor; others have completely different suites of capacities. Within that capacity we have lots of latitude for making our own decisions. Again, our musical ability may determine whether are capable of playing something like Tchaikovsky’s Manfred Symphony. If genetics, God, or anything else determines these people must play this piece, that remains to be shown.

    What this means is that things like social pressures can play a role in things like Jewish predatory behavior, just as it can in the rest of us. Jews too have a lot of latitude in their actions, even if that latitude does have limits.

    Of course, as I acknowledged in my first paragraph, Jews ARE predatory toward the goyim, and we have every moral right to stop these onslaughts against ourselves, our peoples, and our countries. I think the best way to do this is to shout it to the rooftops that our countries were and remain republics, with republics being “things of their citizens”. As such, we have the same right to keep the unwanted out of our country as we do our own homes–and for good reasons, bad reasons, or no reasons at all.

    • 回复: @utu
  65. utu 说:
    @Dunnyveg

    As for the quibble, being a scientist, KMD is naturally also a materialist.

    And this drives him to reductionism and genetics and underplaying cultural explanations. The role of Judaism and its haggadah used to indoctrinate both religious and secular Jews is larger than what he thinks.

  66. Lot 说:
    @Anonymous

    “I don’t even agree with MacDonald but thinking Cofnas is in the same weight class as him is a bad joke.”

    Nope. He’s a loser who just lacks the IQ to have insight on the very complex subjects he writes about.

    “Between 1970 and 1974 he embarked on a career as a jazz pianist, spending two years in Jamaica, where he taught high school.”

    That’s just not something really smart people from Wisconsin do with their youth.

    “In 1981 he earned a PhD in biobehavioral sciences from the University of Connecticut”

    Soft science degree from a third tier university.

    “Parent-child physical play with rejected, neglected and popular boys”, Developmental Psychology, 23, 705–11 (1987)”

    Soft fuzzy wuzzy type of work in his middle age of the sort normally done by females.

    “MacDonald joined the Department of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSU-LB) in 1985”

    Cal State Long Beach is a glorified community college with gigantic remedial math and reading programs and vast majority of students being black/hispanic.

    Really, it isn’t personal, Pinker and Cofnas are at Harvard and Oxford and have a lot better uses of their limited time than CSULB cranks. They don’t bother with Ward Churchill either.

  67. Anonymous[400]• 免责声明 说:
    @Lot

    Pinker is a popularizer who hasn’t made any major original contributions. Whereas MacDonald’s work was pioneering in the study of religion from an evolutionary perspective, as discussed by the evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson and Razib Khan in the following video. Wilson says that MacDonald’s work has stood the test of time and has been elaborated upon by himself in book “Darwin’s Cathedral”:

    https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2361?in=38:21

    W.D. Hamilton, one of the greatest evolutionary biologists of all time, also cited MacDonald’s work favorably.

    • 同意: ben tillman
  68. Dunnyveg 说:

    I think we should be careful not to overstate the case on either free will or determinism since I think it is clear both play a role. Where I’m coming from here is that rather than frontal assaults on Jewish power and influence–which only get us censored and banned–we need to be hammering away at their flanks. The alternative is being at sites like this one discussing this stuff among ourselves when we need to spread the message the way race realists have spread the message on racial differences.

    As for culture, that is almost as fixed as genetic elements, as anybody who has read Albion’s Seed should be aware. Jewish culture is not something the goyim are going to change.

  69. Anonymous[400]• 免责声明 说:
    @Lot

    Sure, left wing Jews are very effective against the right, just as right-wing Jews are very effective against the left. Any of you JQ types do 1/10 the good work of Ed Blum, Stephen Miller, or Rebekah Mercer?

    Mercer isn’t Jewish. The recent success of the right and Trump’s election is largely due to young right wingers on social media, who generally are gentiles that range from being indifferent to Jews to being fervent anti-Semites.

  70. Max Denken’s “The Jews are our misfortune!” simplifies Prof. MacDonald’s work to the point of caricature. The worst of the caricature is that it confuses evil Jewish culture with the ethnicity of Jews. In fact Prof. MacDonald has written that there are, for example, many ethnic Jews doing good work on immigration.

    Ethnic Jews try to enforce Jewish culture on ethnic Jews (all cultural Jews are ethnic Jews) but some escape (not all ethnic Jews are cultural Jews).

    Denken refers to “whatever MacDonald’s intentions” and thus hints that MacDonald’s intentions might be evil.

    By using the passive voice in “that’s the conclusion that arises from his publications” Denken avoids saying who concludes, thus hinting that the falsehood is in MacDonald’s work.

    In so many words Denken says that MacDonald should allow his detractors to circumscribe his work, that he should internalize their criticism and censor himself, that he shouldn’t tell the whole truth as he sees it.

  71. Vinteuil 说:
    @Liza

    So who do you think lovers of the violin repertoire should have been listening to, instead of Joseph Joachim, Fritz Kreisler, Josef Szigeti, Jascha Heifetz, Yehudi Menuhin, David Oistrakh, Itzhak Perlman – &c.?

    • 回复: @Liza
    , @Vojkan
  72. Vinteuil 说:
    @Lot

    Lot, with all respect (and I’ve got a lot of respect for you), I think this whole “failed academic” charge against KMac is not helping your case.

    I have personally known “successful” academics who are malignant carbuncles on the ass-end of Western Civilization.

    And I have personally known “failed” academics who know their stuff and do their best to pass it on to their students.

    If anything, “success” in academia today, especially in the Humanities, is mostly a contra-indicator of anything really worth achieving.

    • 回复: @Lot
  73. CalDre 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    *犹太人“遵循群体进化策略”。 除了琐碎的观察,任何人类集体都希望维护自己的身份并繁荣发展,他都没有证明这种策略根本存在。 在这种行为中没有“战略”。

    The fact that Jews still exist, both religiously and more importantly, tribally, two millennium after the Diaspora (and hence ceasing to constitute the majority group) is overpowering, irrefutable proof that Jews have a group evolutionary strategy. How many groups can make this claim? And which of these is not also a strongly ethnocentric (supremacist, in modern nomenclature) group?

    The entire comment is a virtual denial of reality, presuming that there must be some constant, verbal expression of this strategy in order for there to be one. First, words are merely words, it is actions that matter, and Jewish tribal actions/identity speak for themselves. Second Jews in fact do exhibit a group evolutionary strategy: one as the “chosen” ones (with all of its implications in the various Jewish historical texts, such as the Talmud), and another as the “Is it good for the Jews” introspection. And it is displayed indirectly with Jews’ psychotic obsession with being Jewish.

    You claim also that there is no “strategy” in the behavior of a “human collective want[ing] to preserve its identity & to thrive.” Well one would imagine so, but, as Kevin MacDonald has aptly demonstrated, it is Jews that are principal instigators in the destruction not only of individual White cultures (Swedish, American, German, etc.), but of the White race as a whole. Multiculturalism, mass immigration, Hollywood Jewish “culture” and the like are all designed to destroy White identity and for Whites to fail. Hence Whites not pursuing their self interest is the actual “strategy” – the “strategy” employed by globalists, largely Jews, to destroy the White race and ethnicities. The only “pure” race to be left, when all is said and done, is the ethnically pure and ever-expanding Israel, perhaps with the global capital in Jerusalem (why does that sound familiar?). So it is a strategy Jews are employing, to leave Jews as the last united group left standing. “The people, united, will never be defeated”, and Jews’ potent ethnocentrism has kept Jews united, and strong, over the centuries. Knowing that unity and self-consciousness is a great empower of a people, Jews wanted to derive their competitors for power – mainly, Whites – of this strength.

    As to Jews wanting to dominate the world, as a tribe, the evidence for it is of course overwhelming, not just in Jewish texts (“Messiah” etc.), but in Jewish tribal actions (by this I mean actions of the organized – the “State” – portion of the tribe, every tribe has its chieftains/royalty and leaders and institutions, that’s what makes it a tribe, and so does of course the Jewish one). And why shouldn’t they? Is it “anti-Roman” to say the Romans sought a global empire? Or anti-English to say the British sought a global empire? Of course not, one would not need to refute such an utterly nonsense accusation in any other case. It is a particular habit of Jews to accuse someone of wanting to exterminate all Jews merely for pointing out that, yes, Jews act and have acted in their tribal interests (as if the very existence of the State of Israel, let alone the saga of how that came to be and how it is maintained, alone does not completely validate the proposition). A pathetic, illogical and evil ploy, but one employed continuously by Jews – acting, guess what, in the interests of the tribe/hive.

    • 回复: @Lot
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  74. CalDre 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    For instance, except for being Austrian Jew, what is “Jewish” in early, Freudian variant of psychoanalysis?

    Except for being an Austrian Jew? You mean, except for the fact that a quite ethnocentric Jew came up with that psycho-garbage, what do Jews have to do with it? That’s a good one!

    But, I have something besides the obvious. Freud’s id, ego and superego garbage is modeled on kabbalistic traditions. Sure Freud made some changes to the mystical underpinnings, but what good rabbi doesn’t adjust his message to the times? This underpinning led Carl Jung to exclaim: “a full understanding of the Jewish origins of psychoanalysis would carry us beyond Jewish Orthodoxy into the subterranean workings of Hasidism and then into the intricacies of the Kabbalah which still remain unexplored psychologically.” This article claims, consistent with some of MacDonald’s observations, that Freud handed psycho-garbage to Jung to (deceptively attempt to) remove the Jewish connection to it.

    But no doubt that is all “anti-Semitic”. So, since only Jews have a voice on anything related to Jews, let’s hear it from the virulently anti-Semitic Dennis B. Klein, director of the Center for Holocaust Studies of the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith, who has authored a book entitled: 精神分析运动的犹太起源, in which he:

    explores the Jewish consciousness of Freud and his followers and the impact of their Jewish self-conceptions on the early psychoanalytic movement. Using little-known sources such as the diaries and papers of Freud’s protégé Otto Rank and records of the Vienna B’nai B’rith that document Freud’s active participation in that Jewish fraternal society, Klein argues that the feeling of Jewish ethical responsibility, aimed at renewing ties with Germans and with all humanity, stimulated the work of Freud, Rank, and other analysts and constituted the driving force of the psychoanalytic movement.

    Except I would say, it wasn’t “the feeling of Jewish ethical responsibility” as much as “the feeling of Jewish ethical [and tribal] superiority” that was the driving factor of Freud’s psycho-garbage.

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
  75. utu 说:

    my critique of Cochran and Harpending is here

    Anybody can explain Cochran? He seem to be obsessed with Jewish IQ and keeps pumping up the meme how smart Jews are. Did he at least do any new original testing to confirm values of Jewish IQ or just keeps repeating the old and dubious and mutually contradictory sources?

    Who pays for his “research”?

    • 回复: @Lot
    , @CanSpeccy
  76. Lot 说:
    @Vinteuil

    And I have personally known “failed” academics who know their stuff and do their best to pass it on to their students.

    Good teaching doesn’t require a very high IQ. MacDonald’s ambitions do, but he simply lacks the ability. I am not trying to convince his fans, that is futile, just calling it as I see it.

    • 回复: @Neil Templeton
  77. CalDre 说:
    @Lot

    My goodness, an exemplary blind elitist. Yes, the test of the value of someone’s publications, philosophy and research is whether they are hired by Illuminati “prestigious” (conformist, controlled) universities like Yale or Harvard.

    Because, you know, the only designer of homicidal gas chambers in the US, Fred Leuchter, who designed three of them (for three state’s death penalties by gas), can’t possibly know anything about gas chambers, given that he does not have an official engineering degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuchter_report#Background

    No doubt Plato was not a philosopher, as he lacked a PhD from an elitist university. Leonardo de Vinci, Benjamin Franklin, Michael Faraday, Charles Darwin, James Prescott Joule, Thomas Edison, etc. all lacked a scientific degree. Isaac Newton studied philosophy in college and taught himself calculus, optics and the law of gravitation (taught himself -> invented). One could go on and on. Fortunately truth does not depend on a snobby job at an Illuminati institution that is available only to those who have, over time and testing, proven their complete fealty to the Illuminati agenda.

  78. Lot 说:
    @utu

    “keeps pumping up the meme how smart Jews are”

    Sure, it is just a meme.

    “Did he at least do any new original testing to confirm values of Jewish IQ”

    You can’t just decide to test people, you need a random sample. That generally requires the government to do mass testing.

  79. Lot 说:
    @CalDre

    “The fact that Jews still exist, both religiously and more importantly, tribally, two millennium after the Diaspora”

    Ashkenazi are a large majority of Jews and are about 62% European as opposed to Levantine, like the Jews of 2000 years ago. And that is “pure” Ashkenazi, but a large share of self identified Jews are even less than this.

    • 回复: @CalDre
  80. CalDre 说:
    @Lot

    Agreed, and I never claimed or insinuated that there was a continuity of DNA in the Jewish tribe, only that there was a continuity in the tribe and its rulers and institutions.

    Name some other groups that maintain their identity for 2,000 years as a small minority and I will show you a group of supremacists.

    For example, how many British Americans identify as Textoverdi? You probably don’t even know that tribe, it is so forgotten. As are tens of thousands of tribes that existed in the iron age and since in Europe. The only one that has managed to survive are Jews.

    Jews absolutely refuse to assimilate (by definition, as the ones who have assimilated, are no longer Jews), precisely because they sincerely believe it is a step down, that they would be mixing with inferior stock. Like a Boer may feel about mixing with a black South African. Except the Boers can be condemned for that behavior and attitude, and had to give up power in South Africa, whilst Jews must be applauded, and any critique means, obviously, you want to throw them all in an oven (and, oh my God, don’t even suggest Jews give up their power! Oy vey!)..

    Another huge distinction is that Jews, particularly Ashkenazi Jews, can easily assimilate into White societies, because, as you mentioned, they are White. Heck, the Rothschilds and many of the other banking royalty in the tribe are Aryan! Just look at their paintings from the 18th Century and photos since. They are just a subgroup of Whites who are determined to dominate the rest of the Whites and use this “anti-Semitic” fraud to advance their diabolical agenda.

  81. @Lot

    Please provide some support for your claim that a “very high IQ” is required to publish interesting work in MacDonald’s field. Please provide a threshold IQ and demonstrate why those who fall below the threshold cannot produce interesting results. I am curious to know why only the very intelligent have access to truth regarding observable human behavior. Also provide support for your previous claim that really smart young people from Wisconsin never seek careers as jazz pianists or teach high school in Jamaica.

    • 回复: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @Amasius
  82. Ethnic groups unable to influence immigration policy in their own interests will eventually be displaced by groups able to accomplish this goal. Immigration policy is thus of fundamental interest to an evolutionist.

    Stinker Pinker cannot suavely dismiss such a stark evolutionary fact, and in view of the discreditable role of Jews such as the media-owning Bonnier family in Sweden in the promotion of genocidal anti-European immigration and population policies, it is obvious why he declines to draw attention to MacDonald’s work by reviewing it.

  83. @Neil Templeton

    provide support for your previous claim that really smart young people from Wisconsin never seek careers as jazz pianists or teach high school in Jamaica.

    There’s not much point asking this person to back up what he’s saying. He won’t provide any answer, at least nothing coherent.

    Basically, it’s just a bunch of arrogant Jewboy bullshit.

  84. @Lot

    Nope. He’s a loser who just lacks the IQ to have insight …

    Is that a loser argument or just an asshole argument?

  85. Only a finger note.

    Communism is not dead according to Marks.
    Marks claims that Communism will happen in most developed Capitalistic country.
    In Munich there were arguments among st revolutionaries.
    Lenin claimed that Communism can happen in any country even as backward as Russia.
    Only it needs transition period of socialism.
    Lenin’s theory has failed.
    But the Marks theory still stands.
    What is happening in US is maybe natural evolution of transformation of Capitalistic society into Communist society.
    ………………………………………………………………
    But then who the hell knows?

  86. anonymous[429]• 免责声明 说:

    utu:

    Here’s a recent paper by 柯特·邓克尔 (one of the people actually referenced by Cofnas in his paper). If you just average the three studies, you get a Jewish IQ of 108, and a non-Jewish white of about 101, meaning they have a 7 point advantage (as do Agnostics, btw). If you weight the studies a bit more sensibly, it looks more like 6 points. Maybe 5. (The study that gives Jews the highest score, is a simple vocab test. The studies that give them lower scores test a bunch of different things.)

    It also studies Jewish personality. Interesting observation (to me): Jews are no more conscientious than Gentiles are. That almost surprised me a bit, as I would associate their culture of being known for studiousness with conscientiousness.

    生硬的 commented here on Unz (I assume it’s the same Curt in the study, hehe).

    PS the second studies’ (MIDUS II) results are not in the usual 100 mean 15 standard deviation form, but I include them below. You might observe that Agnostic/Athiests have *更高* IQs than Jews, in 2/3 studies. (Agnostics/Atheists are 20% of US population, according to what I read)

    MIDUS II:
    犹太人105.94
    天主教 100.56
    卫理公会 99.44
    浸信会 94.38
    不可知论者/无神论者 107.33

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  87. Alden 说:
    @anon

    The proper names for “ Oriental” Jews are Persian, Sephardi and Mizrahi.

    The Persians are reasonably intelligent. The Mizrahi are low IQ.

    It’s complicated by the fact that the low IQ Haredim and other fanatic sects whose children are educated in a low performance private school system are very light skinned ashkenazis from E Europe. That may be one reason why the average Jewish IQ in Israel is 95.

    The Israeli government has admitted that the reason it recruited so many Russians was to raise the level of the population.

    70 years of the Haredim living on child benefit instead of working contributes to the low IQ level of Israel.

  88. Soros on the left.
    The man was sentenced to three months in jail for trading with foreknowledge by a Paris court.
    His success in speculation in currencies is ascribed by many to also foreknowledge.
    I still see left as socialist, the idea that the government has the duty the redistribute income through taxes, from high incomes to low.
    What Soros tries to do is destroy cultures, impose his will on a country as Hungary.
    Polish socialists call Soros’ followers, his Open Society, as Soros Jugend.
    How many jews have the opinion once expressed by a jew to me ‘take care, who has the money, has the power’, I do not know.
    What drives jews to behaviour as Soros’, maybe he knows, I can only speculate.
    What drove Bernard Baruch is pretty clear to me, world power for jewry.

  89. utu 说:
    @anonymous

    Thanks. Interesting.

    ADD Health (Table 2) MIDUS II (Table 3) PT (Table 4)

    n(jews)=34 n(Jews)=98 n(Jews)=6915
    Jews 111.24 105.94 106.71
    Catholic 100.39 100.56 102.92
    Methodist 100.99 (P) 99.441 103.99 (P)
    Baptist ——– 94.38 ——–
    Agnostic/Atheist 105.46 107.33 109.45

    Standard deviations for Project Talent (PT) are about 8.5. Why so low?

    What are SDs for MINDUS II after converting to IQ scale?

  90. Wally 说:
    @Lot

    What must be understood here is that Jew, ‘Lot’, is firm advocate of the absurdly fake ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’, the mother of all lies used against Euro-white gentiles.
    That glaringly, immediately reveals his irrational, manipulative, anti-science side.

    Lot would have no chance in a full-on debate with informed Revisionists, I suspect he realizes that, hence he resorts hysteria.

    There are, however, some Jews who have weaned themselves off of the fake ‘6M Jew, 5M others, & gas chambers’, i.e.:

    “只有一个事实,即人们可能不会质疑犹太人的“大屠杀”,而且犹太人的压力已在民主社会上施加法律以防止问题-同时不断提倡和灌输同一场无可争议的“大屠杀”,这使这场比赛无处可寻。 证明这一定是谎言。 为什么不容许有人质疑呢? 因为它可能冒犯了“幸存者”? 因为它“使死者感到耻辱”? 几乎没有充分的理由禁止讨论。 不会,因为暴露这种头号谎言可能引发对其他许多谎言的质疑,并使整个摇摇欲坠的捏造过程崩溃。”

    – Gerard Menuhin /正义的修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家的儿子

    If something cannot happen as alleged, then it did not.
    http://www.codoh.com

  91. Svigor 说:

    Really, it isn’t personal, Pinker and Cofnas are at Harvard and Oxford and have a lot better uses of their limited time than CSULB cranks. They don’t bother with Ward Churchill either.

    Pinker: Ima genius.
    Also Pinker: I know CoC is bunk, that’s why I didn’t read it.

    Know your champions…

    I am simply performing the same examination of the motivation MacDonald has for his ideology that he purports to perform on, I suppose, me.

    You’re clinging to ad hom because it’s all you’ve got.

    KMac: You believe X because of group evolutionary strategy of societal destruction.

    Lot: You believe X because of personal failures.

    Could you explain why one is ad hominem and the other isn’t?

    Why would I explain anything about your straw man?

    If I cared to combat anti-semitism (I don’t, rather I just like being right on the Internet, same as you), I would not be here, but on high traffic left-wing wing blogs, or doing op-eds. Or even more effectively, working my day job and using those earnings to fund college Hasbaras.

    Riiight. You always pop up in the threads about Jews because intellectual rigor.

  92. Svigor 说:

    Here’s a recent paper by Curt Dunkel (one of the people actually referenced by Cofnas in his paper). If you just average the three studies, you get a Jewish IQ of 108, and a non-Jewish white of about 101, meaning they have a 7 point advantage (as do Agnostics, btw). If you weight the studies a bit more sensibly, it looks more like 6 points. Maybe 5. (The study that gives Jews the highest score, is a simple vocab test. The studies that give them lower scores test a bunch of different things.)

    Funny, 108 is exactly the estimate I got for Ashkenazis worldwide (i.e., Israeli Ashkenazis included), on the back of a cocktail napkin.

    meaning they have a 7 point advantage (as do Agnostics, btw)

    Episcopalians have an 8 point advantage.

    • 回复: @CalDre
    , @DDM
  93. Amasius 说:
    @Anonymous

    你在“摘樱桃”,dawg。 完全没有必要。 各种各样的犹太人争先恐后地谴责她和她在那里所说的话。

    实际上不,他们没有,但这就是我们应该相信 Cofnas 的小丑世界一角。

  94. CalDre 说:
    @Svigor

    What shows the limits of IQ tests more than this fable that Jews do better than Whites. Hogwash.

    IQ tests also show the smartest lot, with IQs of 108, are Japanese, S. Koreans, Singaporeans, Taiwanese. But if you look at the cultural, artistic, scientific, technological, etc. achievements of all “Orientals” (East Asians) compared to White Europeans, there is an obvious difference in results.

    We should not be under the assumption that IQ test is completely objective. For example, I see little evidence that vocabulary tests are a measure of intelligence (as opposed to rote memorization or, more particularly, reading the set of books that contain the esoteric words which are tested, which tend to be Romantic literature versus, for example, applied physics).

    By another example, Jews like to use the fact that more Jews win Nobel prizes. What does that mean, if Jews are involved in the selection process? Maybe the selectors pick inferior Jews as winners for the same reason they pick inferior Jews for everything else, because they are highly ethnocentric and help each other succeed? That seems a far more rational and empirical basis for Jewish “success” than superior intelligence.

  95. Amasius 说:
    @Neil Templeton

    世界上智商最高的男人是酒吧保镖。

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy7BhXlMm_8

    我也不认为他是犹太人! 一定是假的!

    智商第二高的人,可能是最高的,为电视写作并在高中呆了十年。

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=lcDfoo76dKY

    但他是犹太人,所以我们知道他的智商至少是真实的。

    这个笨蛋甚至没有上过大学:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_Carlsen

    宾夕法尼亚州兰开斯特的布拉德·拉特 (Brad Rutter) 去了…… 约翰霍普金斯大学 PFFFFFFFFT 并退出 LOL PFFFFFFT

    显然只在危险中赢得了 4.5 万美元,因为活泼的作家正在向他提供答案。 Ken “Brigham Young PFFFFT” Jennings 和他的 74 场比赛也是如此。

    想象一下,如果这些人中的任何一个不得不与在各自学科上普林斯顿的人作对。

    • 回复: @Lot
  96. All this debate about jews is becoming quite boring.
    If jews are more intelligent than average, quite possible.

    The jewish problem, as I see it, is that they’re quite unable of critisising themselves.
    Anyone interested now understands what Israel is, a brutal racist colonial state.
    Yet hardly any jew criticises Israel, those who do are ostracised, such as Finkelstein, Ilian Pappe, in the Netherlands Hamburger, traitors.
    What they say or write is not debated, they simply are not loyal, what indeed they are not.

    What it is that causes this lack of self reflection with jews, and lack of feeling about social behaviour, see the quote below, good question.
    Gilad Atzmon wants collective psychotherapy for all jews, difficult to organise, but the big problem is that psychotherapy just has effect with those who realise they have a problem.

    As I wrote here before, not just Finkelstein and Pappe criticise, not jewry as such, just Israel, but already around 1890 one Rothschild wrote to another ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.
    I know just one jewish author who analyses the problem, see the quote.

    Were jews an insignificant group, such as the Muslim salafists, there would be hardly any problem.
    But they’re not, there is a lot of money with jews, Soros, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild, etc., they use this money to further their ends, as they see them.

    The first Soros in my opinion was Bernard Baruch.
    For me it is an interesting question, that will never be answered, ‘would there have been a WWII if Baruch had not existed ?’.

    Same about WWI guilt for Germany, could this fairy tale have emerged without Morgenthau, same question for the Armenian genocide.
    Both Baruch and Morgenthau hated Germans, because of the anti semitism that emerged there after 1870.

    That jews themselves were to a large extent responsible for this antisemitism, unbelievable for jews, as the identity is ‘eternally innocent victims’.

    The zionists were very stupid people, if anything is damning for jews it is the state of Israel, they never anticipated this.
    The origin of zionism is the same as German antisemitism after 1870, stupid behaviour in the E European countries, including European Russia.
    Solsjenytsyn describes it.
    The reaction to his book ‘much irritation’, it was not said that what he wrote was wrong, would have been quite difficult, there are as much references in the book as with Mearsheimer and Walt about AIPAC.

    One more thing, there is no such thing as ‘the jews’.
    The group that causes the problems is the asjkenazi jews, the main other group, sephardic jews, is discriminated in Israel by them.

    报价单
    “从偏见到毁灭,反犹太主义 1700-1933”,Jacob Katz,1980 年,马萨诸塞州剑桥

    卡茨是/曾经是耶路撒冷希伯来大学名誉犹太教育和社会历史教授

    以下是有关 1870 年左右在德国出现的反犹太主义的章节的结尾。
    学者们区分了在大多数西欧国家的犹太人在 1800 年左右获得平等权利之前的反犹太教和 1870 年左右开始的反犹太主义。

    第 258 页,“孵化”一章。
    “反犹爆发的决定性因素是未能满足外邦人对犹太人的怀疑被排除的条件,即紧密结合的犹太社区的消失。 这个社区远没有消失,只是进行了一次新的蜕变,并非所有方面都受到外邦人的青睐。 尽管犹太人现在在德国社会、经济生活、文化和政治方面都很活跃,但他们作为一个群体仍然引人注目。 他们的追求,从来没有中央计划或指挥,是由历史和社会因素决定的……。
    尽管他们融合在一起,但他们作为一个紧密结合的群体脱颖而出”。

    259页
    “没有受到损害的是犹太人的近亲繁殖,即保持完全犹太人的家庭关系。 这一点,以及宗教不合规的残余、比较经济合作、社会孤立和一些文化特性,赋予了犹太群体一种特殊的面貌。 如果这个团体与一个世纪以前不同,它肯定没有呈现出那些提出与基督教社会融合的想法的人所期望的特征。

    因此,犹太社区并没有像预期的那样完全消失,只是经历了一次转变。 旧的刻板印象现在又复活了。 外邦人的观望态度,包括对反犹太情绪的隐瞒和压制,变成了公开的怨恨。 这是反犹太主义沸腾的时刻。

    章节结束。

  97. anonymous[402]• 免责声明 说:

    utu:

    关于 data from this paper.
    I’m not a statistician in this space, and I didn’t even notice how low the Project Talent standard deviations were. (All the PT SDs are about the same: around 8.5). Maybe Curt Dunkel, or someone more familiar with IQ statistics, could inform us. (would that imply that all these iqs are about almost twice these numbers? That wouldn’t make sense.)

    PT IQ (SD)
    Jewish 106.71 (8.34)
    Catholic 102.93 (8.66)
    Protestant 103.99 (8.93)
    No religion 109.45 (8.83)

    Regarding the Midus II data, which looks like:

    MidusII IQ (SD)
    Jewish .36 (1.10)
    Catholic .04 (.94)
    Methodist .04 (.98)
    Baptist .36 (1.04)
    Agnostic/Atheist .47 (1.04)

    I may have been wrong, but I applied the formula:
    100 + .36 * (1.1 * 15), giving:
    105.94 for Jewish, etc.
    天主教 100.56
    卫理公会 99.44
    浸信会 94.38
    不可知论者/无神论者 107.33

    Hope I didn’t do it wrong!

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @utu
  98. TheBoom 说:

    Cofnas’ critique of MacDonald is just another twist to the playbook that has been so successful for Snopes. Justify (through lies, distortion and phony strawmen) that anything which conflicts with their worldview is false. Along with the ADL and Splc they can in the short-term get people to avoid contact with that dangerous idea or fact. In the long-term they can pave the way for censorship and banishment. Problem for them is that goys are increasingly catching on to this scam and Cofnas will have succeeded primarily in driving more people to check out MacDonald. Good job.

  99. donut 说:
    @Lot

    “Actually they can, but are not needed here, nor are they right as a matter of principle. But if you want to harm free speech and see it restricted, abusing your rights in obnoxious ways is the best way to do so.”

    Whoops .

  100. mcohen 说:

    Who is kevin macdonald.is he someone famous.personally i have always enjoyed hesse,nabakov,rand,grass,hemingway,ruark,mad magazine,early esquire and playboy,dylan,whole earth catalog,omni……..etc
    那些日子
    Herman charles bosman wrote “a sip of jeripego”.worth a read.
    The book of job is my guide,it is a worthy companion and a good lesson to be learnt especially for authors like k.macdonad.
    True critique regardless of the subject has to come from someone who has first undergone the rigors of self critique of the ego.fear and anger are your giveaways kevin macdonald.you are nothing but a quater pounder

  101. @CalDre

    The fact that Jews still exist, both religiously and more importantly, tribally, two millennium after the Diaspora (and hence ceasing to constitute the majority group) is overpowering, irrefutable proof that Jews have a group evolutionary strategy. How many groups can make this claim? And which of these is not also a strongly ethnocentric (supremacist, in modern nomenclature) group?

    What kind of argument is this? Zoroastrians, older religionists than Jews, still exist too, in the diaspora as Parsis in India, Britain.. well after they’ve been almost completely eradicated from their ancestral homeland in Iran. These are religions which can last if you don’t literally exterminate its adherents. The Chinese, who are ca. 3500 years old as a culture still exist, both in & out of China. So what?

    • 回复: @CalDre
    , @Anonymous
  102. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    I think it deserves to be reposted here.

    Where would the world be if compulsive copy and pasters didn’t think that their copied material shouldn’t be pasted as many times and in as many places as possible?

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  103. iffen 说:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    But all those words! Think of the word count!

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  104. @Lot

    “Macdonald has already announced that I will reject his ideas because I am Jewish, so what’s the point of replying to them?”
    The point of replying would be to demonstrate not to Macdonald but to a scientific audience that his ideas are false. Doh!
    For someone apparently belonging to a group with an average IQ in the region of 110, this is disappointing.

  105. @CalDre

    Except for being an Austrian Jew? You mean, except for the fact that a quite ethnocentric Jew came up with that psycho-garbage, what do Jews have to do with it? That’s a good one!

    But, I have something besides the obvious. Freud’s id, ego and superego garbage is modeled on kabbalistic traditions. Sure Freud made some changes to the mystical underpinnings, but what good rabbi doesn’t adjust his message to the times? This underpinning led Carl Jung to exclaim: “a full understanding of the Jewish origins of psychoanalysis would carry us beyond Jewish Orthodoxy into the subterranean workings of Hasidism and then into the intricacies of the Kabbalah which still remain unexplored psychologically.” This article claims, consistent with some of MacDonald’s observations, that Freud handed psycho-garbage to Jung to (deceptively attempt to) remove the Jewish connection to it.

    This is worthless, a combination of antisemitism & Jewish ethnic projections. Do you really think that obscure & obscurantist articles amount to anything?

    Freud was clueless about Kabbalah, although one Jewish propagandist, David Bakan, tried to persuade the public that it was not so:

    Psychoanalysis had been, before it became apparent that is was a sort of metaphysics, designed by its “founding father” as the true science of psychological functioning which will have been proven right by further discoveries in neurophysiology & brain research. Freud’s goal was to become “Darwin of the mind”, although his intellectual predecessors were more in the field of literature & philosophy (Sophocles, Shakespeare, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, ..) & his practice in Paris where he had been fascinated by hypnosis.

    This is real Freud, not a cartoon from conspiracy theories:

    and indispensable CC

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
    , @CalDre
  106. @anonymous

    As I’ve said (embarrassing to quote oneself)-IQ is not important with regard to high levels of creativity; also, there are other psychological functions which could be of immensely more importance than ordinary IQ, and which are not measured (perhaps not even measurable- creativity, motivation, visual “thinking”, imagination, intellectual non-dogmatism etc.)

    Over-representation does not mean much. How many inhabitants, and more- literate inhabitants, had Florence from 1300 to 1500? And yet, it produced Dante, Petrarch, Boccaccio, Donatello, Brunelleschi, Leonardo, Michelangelo, Machiavelli, Galileo, ..which is a string of hardly surpassed real geniuses, the summits in their respective areas from literature & political philosophy to visual arts, architecture & astronomy and physics.

    All Nobel prizes pale in comparison with this.

    What were then these Florentines? Victims of “super-genius gene” contagion?

    • 同意: utu
  107. CalDre 说:
    @Lot

    Not a real scientific theory because it is not falsifiable. “No evidence that X was to advance Jewish interests, and if fact never actually did so? Doesn’t matter, I said they were ‘covertly designed!”

    LOL, yes, it is difficult to prove intent, but yet, there are millions sitting in prison on this day. I suppose we should let them all free, as circumstantial evidence or forced confessions is all we have?

    In fact, though, these matters are falsifiable. Because there always come folks who show their hand, inadvertently or by “treason”, and prove the theory. Benjamin Friedman comes to mind, but there are many others. Some are outright open about it, like the neo-cons who claim US interests and Israeli interests are identical. Obviously, and “scientifically”, this can only happen if the US adopts Israeli interests, which is exactly the modus operandi of the treasonous neo-con scum that befouls the Swamp. One can also see it in the obvious double-standards, e.g., Jews aggressively supporting massive Arab and African immigration into Europe and the US, while at the same time ethnically cleansing Africans (even Jewish ones!) and Arabs from Israel.

    What can’t be scientifically proven is the largely Jewish-inspired “secular humanist” religion, which has such items of faith as Evolution, Big Bang, Global Warming, Racism is Bad, Homophobia is Bad, and thousands of other religious values which they forcibly try to shove down everyone’s throats, with hysterical condemnation, if not outright incarceration or impoverishment, of anyone who refuses to swallow their deleterious witches’ brew.

    • 同意: Mishra
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  108. anonomy 说:

    The Jews aren’t the people displacing the whites and whites seem quite happy to have themselves displaced. Along with the fact that no one is allowed to move themselves away from anyone who wishes to be next to them, no freedom of movement or associations. The majority of Jews are atheists but ride the tide of God’s chosen even though they don’t believe in God. Obviously God must be a white Goy. They will be displaced too based on how small their population is already, they will probably go Asian rather than African, all in due time, you know, “you reap what you sow”,
    Jews and Christians have never gotten along, but good propaganda and public relations after WWII saw a change in how people thought. I can’t imagine how many times they had to rewrite the bible, must have been exhausting. For all their intelligence, they wrote the test, they really aren’t any smarter.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  109. @Bardon Kaldian

    Freud was of course right about the subconscious, what w’re conscious of is a very small part of what goes on in our head.
    Our head is, seen in evolution, a weird collection of very old, old and new parts, often in conflict with one another.
    His great accomplishment was to regard those at the time seen as just crazy or so as human beings with with an illness.
    Very few people still believe in psychoanalysis as an effective therapy.
    His followers I knew in the Netherlands reminded me of a religious sect.
    What Freud did not know, could not know, is how in our head chemo electrical processes determine our thoughts, deepest feelings, of which we most of the time are not aware.
    The conscious I see as a means to check outcomes, on consistency, fitting into society, etc.
    Had Freud been alive, he would be flabbergasted to see how small quantities of chemicals can change our thoughts.

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  110. @candid_observer

    说得好。

    I always think of the regimented organization of a baboon troop on the move when I imagine “group selection”. The strength of the tribe, their survival, depends upon a geometry, a Form, an Idea to use Plato’s term. It is the pattern in which each individual assumes a place according to their age, sex and rank that is the essence of their evolutionary strategy. If an individual can or does not conform then they are excluded and, as one baboon researcher pointed out, “a lone baboon is a dead baboon”. So you either conform to the group evolutionary strategy or you don’t mate and your genes are surely not transmitted to the next generation. What could be clearer? But I note that those who question group evolutionary strategy do so by posing the, as you point out, straw-man argument of completely selfless behavior (angelic).

    But you can see why Jews would insist that they each of and by themselves, “did it all by myself”, for that reflects the greater glory on their (admittedly notable) achievements. This is a very common trait among those who have done very well in life. They–selfishly, but that characteristic is part of their reason for their success–deny that they needed any support from the many people, both past and present, whose labors helped put them where they. And this indeed isn’t good group evolutionary strategy–so perhaps its self-limiting.

    A more general point is that the Western Mind, at least the English manifestation of it, dwells on specific individual causes in explaining everything. The other approach focuses on the integrity of the whole, the pattern, the Field within which individual behavior occurs. So most intellectuals today, especially in the USA, have a built-in bias of the sort Kuhn was talking about and cannot see that their method of reasoning is stilted in favor of the particular and against the whole. This is a serious fault.

    No physicist would attempt to explain the behavior of a particle without taking into consideration the effect of the strength of field within which the particle operates. The two condition one another. A particle affects its surrounding field and is affected by the field. This is not metaphor. This is real and until social scientists adopt the revolutionary thought processes of 20th century physics, they are hopelessly behind the times and their work will quickly fade.

    Unless you separate a particle and launch it by a giant gun, say a particle accelerator or the Sun, it behaves as a part of a Field, a constellation, a harmonic whole. The Anglo mind doesn’t seem to be capable of grasping this reality, though the Continental mind did and does so–for which the Continentals are called “fascists” by the entropy-loving Anglo intellectuals. (Entropy-loving, where did that come from? Well, particles moving randomly, having lost all coherence is the basic state of entropy).

  111. @CalDre

    Cannot see any double standard, if the objective is to destroy the European cultures, while keeping the jewish one.
    If this theory is right, then again stupid jewish behaviour, as some jews comprehend.
    They understand that migrants most of the time hate jews, Palestinians are jews.
    All the countries Israel tries to destroy, or has destroyed, with USA support, are Muslim.
    Jewish enterprises and institutions need more and more protection.

  112. CalDre 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Zoroastrians, older religionists than Jews, still exist too

    True, it is one of the exceptions. I don’t know that much about the roughly 200,000 contemporary adherents, but what is obvious is that the vast majority of Persians converted to Islam, and only a relatively small percentage remained Zoroastrians. Can the same be said of Jews? Also the Parsis do and did view themselves in strong ethnocentric terms – forbidding intermarriage, for example, and forming ghettos. But, unlike Jews, only a few communities remain; whereas Jews maintained hundreds of self-segregated communities throughout the Diaspora. While there are some similarities, the Jewish case is greatly more exaggerated in terms of powerful ethnocentrism.

    The Chinese, who are ca. 3500 years old as a culture still exist, both in & out of China.

    Chinese have been the majority in their society for 3,500 years. Hence it does not address my point about failure to assimilate. And of course Chinese do not lack a strong ethnocentricity.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  113. CalDre 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    This is worthless, a combination of antisemitism & Jewish ethnic projections. Do you really think that obscure & obscurantist articles amount to anything?

    等等,等等, 广告人身攻击 garbage from a freaking arsehole. As to obscurity, one was from a Kaballah website (gee, I wonder how that is relevant), another from a popular Jewish website (gee, I wonder how that is relevant), and another from an ADL luminary (gee, suddenly ADL is “obscure, is it?). I can give you more sources, for example, 纽约大学, or is that also “obscure”? What qualifies as “not obscure”, does it have to be “mainstream” or it is false?

    Freud was clueless about Kabbalah

    Actually it is you who is clueless. I have provided numerous sources, including Jung, remarking on Freud’s intimate familiarity with Kabbalism. And at one point, as I was researching it, I compared the Kaballah teachings with Freud’s id/ego/superego and found them remarkably similar. So keep shouting about anti-Semitism and whatever else you want, it doesn’t change the facts.

    before it became apparent that is was a sort of metaphysics

    Oh, so it just miraculously “became apparent” that it was … mystical, i.e., Kabbalistic. Just by accident. Nothing to do with Freud being a Kabbalistic Jew. Hokey dokey, buddy.

    not a cartoon from conspiracy theories

    There’s no conspiracy theory, but you are again attempting to use a censorship tool reserved for freaking clueless arseholes. I guess you can’t help, what you are.

    And I’ve read Freud, and he is a charlatan idiot. Probably you want to fuck your mom while high on coke too, that is your issue, but do try to control yourself, will you?

    • 回复: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
  114. Anonymous[285]• 免责声明 说:
    @anonymous

    以色列的平均智商为 95。

    The average IQ in the UK is 100.

    Taking into account that the percentage of non-whites in the UK (~20%) is similar to the percentage of Palestinians in Israel, it looks like the UK whites are 5 IQ points smarter that the Israeli Jews.

    But maybe not. Let’s assume that the UK non-whites – coming from the World’s premier shit-holes and gestating in the soft underbelly of the UK welfare system – are actually 100 IQ achievers. Let’s assume that only the Palestinians are “dragging” the Jewish numbers. Well, if the Palestinians have an average IQ of 83.5 (Syria: 83, Jordan: 84) the Jews are still scoring only 98. So – not only are the Jews not smarter than everyone else – it looks like they’re lagging behind both East Asians and the whites.

    BTW, the IQ results above are coming from Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling. It’s interesting that the 3 million Ashkenazi Jews in Israel couldn’t shine the way they were supposed to.

    The study that gives Jews the highest score, is a simple vocab test. The studies that give them lower scores test a bunch of different things.

    A vocab test, eh? That’s exactly what I would use to juice the numbers of a group that’s 大规模 overrepresented in terms of Higher Education attendance. That’s not intelligence, but it’s useful when the Goyim start asking stupid questions about their place in the world. After all, only the smartest and the chosenest ones should run the ultra-high IQ sectors like the Western MSM, Hollywood, porn and politics.

    In other news: (((Harwey Weinstein))) is, apparently not a paragon of culture, like we were led to believe. He was thanked more times than God at the Academy Awards but it didn’t help. Let us hope that the only person in front of him, (((Steven Spielberg))), can make it all better.

    • 回复: @utu
  115. utu 说:
    @anonymous

    (1) Not sure how you derived the scaling formula. Their scale seem to have mean 0 but what is its SD? In general IQ=100+(IQold-MEANold)*15/SDold

    (2) Project Talent SDs indicate that sample was trimmed in selection process. Probably the lower tail. But this would raise the mean. No discussion in the paper about it.

    (4) Here is frequency of Jews and Atheists & Agnostics populations in samples

    地址
    Jews 0.94% (34)
    A&A 26.7%

    米迪斯
    Jews 5.1% (96)
    A&A 5.8%

    PT
    Jews 6.1% (6915)
    A&A 4.3%

    The first sample as far as Jews are concerned might be too small (n=34) so I would shelve it. The other two have higher Jewish percentage by about 2-3 factor to their population. Atheists and Agnostics in these two samples are comparable to Jewish size. I would not be surprised that Jewish suprematist HBD brigade would argue that A&A contain Jews who are A&A and this explains high IQ of the A&A group.

    Who is A&A group is a good question?

    (5) Accuracy? Differences between MINDUS and PT indicate that these are not statistical errors but bias. The tests must have been different. Catholics 100.56 and 102.92 respectively which gives 2.4 difference. For a sample of 1000 1SD random error should be less than 0.45=1000/sqrt(15). There is a bias between samples/tests.

  116. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    Richard Lynn – the guy who published “The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement” and started the “110 Ashkenazi IQ” ball rolling

    It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson with some help of Jews like Harris and Pinker. The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters. But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks. The consoling goes 24/7 at VDare and iSteve with occasional reminding how smart our masters are.

  117. Wally 说:
    @iffen

    IOW, you cannot refute what he posted . LOL

  118. The doctrine of evolutionary selection does not seem reliable, for Jews or anyone else. There exist genes for the intelligence of Hawking, the eyesight of Ted Williams, the strength, agility, and endurance of Mohamed Ali. These have not becomes common in the population, and indeed seem no more so than in classical antiquity. Either these traits do not contribute to fitness, or something is wrong with the whole enterprise. No? Which would make theories of evolutionary strategies—does evolution have strategies?–somewhat questionable.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  119. Mulegino1 说:

    Widespread “Jew awareness” is an absolutely healthy immunological element of a culture or society, particularly in Eurasia and the Americas. This does not imply anything like irrational hatred or a blanket condemnation of all, or even most Jews. It is merely a recognition of the historically verifiable fact that whenever the influence of the Jews reaches anything like critical mass, decline, decay, impoverishment, corruption and collapse are usually inevitable.

    Today, EU and US officialdom are in absolute thralldom to the kosher editorial control of the mass media, which is overwhelmingly in the hands of Jews. Who can dispute this? When was the last time a Senator or member of Congress made even a mention of Jewish influence and survived in a political sense? When was the last time any prominent public official in the US acknowledged that the relationship between the US and Israel was a lopsided and parasitical one and managed to keep their job? When was the last time any major figure in the media or on the national political scene mentioned the overwhelming and toxic influence of Jews on their host culture via their control of Hollywood and the entertainment industry?

    The professional “anti-anti-Semites” are simply canaries in the deep hole of public awareness. Unlike the real canaries, whose purpose is to protect the miners from deadly fumes, their job is precisely the opposite- to protect themselves and their own collective from the public receiving a whiff of oxygenated truth.

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty
  120. Liza 说:
    @Vinteuil

    Lovers of the violin can listen to anyone they like, I do not say otherwise. For everyone on your list there’s probably a dozen of the nonjewish variety who was never promoted and publicized to the same degree, though there are several. Also, most famous does not necessarily equal the best in any field of music.

    I have attended concerts where the concertmaster was every bit as competent as any solo star but for some reason you have never heard of them. I have attended music competitions where the losers were better than the winner.

    Read up on how difficult it was for Zino Francescatti (whose concerts I’ve attended a few times) to get a job as a soloist.

    Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why there are so many rich, highly successful rap “stars”? Is this “music” worthy in your eyes? Can you grasp the idea of heavy promotion?

  121. Ron Unz 说:

    Well, the dueling Cofnas and MacDonald articles total about 30,000 words and since I’m busy with my own software work, I haven’t read any of it. But glancing over some of the huge outpouring of comments, it looks like one important issue under debate is the question of Jewish IQ.

    A few years back, I published numerous articles and columns rather exhaustively dealing with exactly this contentious topic, along with IQ in general, and at least in my own mind, rather conclusively resolved important aspects of the puzzle. Since my writings generated enormous discussion at the time, including in the elite MSM, and this is my own website, where some of those articles have been prominently featured, one would think that most readers are aware of them. But I doubt that’s the case, so here are a few of the more important links:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/raceiq-super-flynn-effects-in-germans-jews-and-hispanics/

    https://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/race-iq/?ItemOrder=ASC

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/#the-strange-collapse-of-jewish-academic-achievement

    https://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/meritocracy/?ItemOrder=ASC

    Apparently, there’s also some nitwit YouTube celebrity named Jordan Peterson ignorantly spouting off on this issue, seemingly without having done any serious investigation, so perhaps now is a good opportunity for trying to correct the public record regarding these important facts.

    And since this is my own website, I’ve taken the extreme liberty of duplicating this comment on both threads.

  122. @CalDre

    ” and only a relatively small percentage remained Zoroastrians. Can the same be said of Jews? ”

    我想是这样。
    犹太人。 人民的精髓和品格,亚瑟·赫兹伯格(Arthur Herzberg)和阿隆·希特·曼海默(Aron Hirt-Manheimer),哈珀·旧金山(HarperSanFrancisco),1998年
    asserts, alas without argument or source, that just thirteen percent of those who could have remained jews chose to do this.

    A good example are the parents of Richard Feynman, only later in life he found out that his parents were, had been, jews.
    Jagdish Mehra,“不同鼓的节拍,理查德·费曼的生活与科学”,牛津,1994 年

    克劳斯·霍德尔(KlausHödl),“在利奥波德施塔特的阿尔·比特勒(Als Bettler in die Leopoldstadt)”,维也纳加里齐谢·尤登·德姆·韦格·纳赫
    writes that rabbis were against emigration, as many saw this as the way to escape the oppressive jewish society.

    JG Burg,舒尔德与希克萨尔,欧罗巴Juden zwischen Henkern und Heuchlern,慕尼黑,1962年
    describes how jews were more or less forced to emigration to Palestine after WWII.
    He had great trouble in escaping from Israel.

    Hjalmar Schacht, '76 Jahre meines Lebens', Bad Wörishofen, 1953
    flying back from India where he had give economic advice, Schacht’s plane unexpectedly made a stopover in Tel Aviv.
    He had to leave the plane, and was recognized by German waiters, who said to him how they regretted having left Germany.
    Afterwards the Israeli government was furious that nobody had reported his presence, they would have arrested him.

  123. @anonomy

    ” Jews and Christians have never gotten along, ”

    For me it is pretty probable that christianity was created by Paul, as secret agent of the Roman king, to destroy the jewish culture, after two large armies had destroyed jewry politically.
    Christianity was aimed at jews, a far more easy religion.
    This also explains that the bible begins with the jewish Torah.
    Alas propaganda often backfires, christianity destroyed the Roman empire.

    • 回复: @anonomy
    , @Anon
  124. @Pheasant

    “you guys can do better than this.”

    No, they can’t. Max has tried here a few times and always bogs down in 500+ word comments where a single sentence would better state what he’s trying to say.

  125. Lot 说:
    @Amasius

    There are lots of people who proclaim they have the highest IQ in the world. Doesn’t mean it is true.

    BYU 是一个巨大地区中最好的大学。 它无法与 UConn 或 CSULB 相提并论。

    You all seem to confuse general rules (groundbreaking research doesn’t come out of professors at places like Cal State Long Beach) with “Every smart person goes to a top college” which is obviously false and not something I said or implied.

    • 回复: @Amasius
    , @CalDre
  126. @Liza

    ” In any case, their playing of western music on western instruments is a serious case of cultural appropriation.”

    Maybe not. They are almost all of European descent without a trace of Semitic ancestry. That was a funny dig you made, though. 😉

  127. @Max Denken

    That is so typical of you, Max. When you find a person’s comment unanswerable, you accuse him of foaming at the mouth. Now you get to stomp away in a huff, trailing your little blankie and sucking madly at your little binkie.

    That infantile tactic is the only one you have once your pretense of erudition is exposed.

  128. Wally 说:
    @anon

    “Also, are Germans maybe stricken by Holocaust guilt?”

    But they shouldn’t be. There was no ‘6M Jews’ except in the sick minds of dishonest Jews …. from at least 1823.

    Jews have been marketing the ‘6,000,000’ lie since at least 1823:

    6万?


    和:
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    http://www.codoh.com

  129. @jilles dykstra

    “Had Freud been alive, he would be flabbergasted to see how small quantities of chemicals can change our thoughts.”

    I think that Freud was aware of chemical influence on the mind. He promoted cocaine use for his “patients”.

  130. Wally 说:
    @Max Denken

    说过:
    “my parents were victims of the Holocausts”

    Really? Then show us the proof.

    这应该很好。

    http://www.codoh.com

  131. joe webb 说:

    so much yakkity -yak about IQ. How high an IQ does one have to possess to learn how to tie one’s shoelaces?

    Figuring out the jews requires a few more IQ points than learning to tie one’s shoes, granted.

    What I keep on going on about is the religious factor, which nobody wants to address. Now maybe that takes higher IQ than figuring out the jews . Elementary but the bias of secular intellectuals is to overlook the religious.

    Jews are the foundation of Christianity and are our sacred cows…go to any church and see what the readings are…always from both OT and NT. Does the rabbi read from the NT….?

    Trump can reverse himself and hire Bolton, etc. Trump is the newest member of the neocons, and the jews win again. Impeach Trump

    你好?

    • 回复: @redmudhooch
  132. anonomy 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    没有
    Why Jesus was kicking over the tables of the money lenders way before anyone was a “Christian”, and their children conscripted for war while the money lenders, ancestors of Mamnet, played with the accounts of Kings, based on their professed chosen-ness, by God. Just what I heard, a sparrow told me. ha ha

  133. @geokat62

    Forgive me if I’am being dim or lazy but who is “our resident maven”?

  134. Amasius 说:
    @Lot

    开创性研究并非来自加州州立大学长滩等地的教授

    但没有理由它不能而且它做到了。 就像一个在牙买加弹奏爵士钢琴并在高中任教的不合时宜的人没有理由不能才华横溢,创造出伟大而开创性的奖学金。 他是,他做到了。 事实上,我会争辩说,正是这些人迹罕至的类型最有可能成为真正的天才,而不是常春藤联盟中的一些自鸣得意的墨守成规的派系分子。

  135. @Frederick V. Reed

    Fred, I think you off the usual beam wrt evolution snd natural selection but I was already looking for somewhere to express my puzzlement over Kevin McDonald’s interesting research having nothing about DNA and actual gene studies as far as I know so I have sympathy for the drift of your comment.

    Still I think you are in error in ignoring the logic which tells you that a number of genetic mutations become fixed and the alleles quite common because they improve fitness but that the combinations plus epigenetic factors and environmental contributions that produce thr Hawking or Williams or Muhammad Ali talents are rare. That doesn’t mean that the genes/alleles in question haven’t been selected because, in the relevant rnvironmental niche, they improved fitness.

  136. Wade 说:

    [For example, Zionism is a Jewish movement that, until the establishment of Israel, was not a majority view within the Jewish community. It was nevertheless influential (e.g., obtaining the Balfour Declaration, pressuring President Truman to recognize Israel).]

    This statement clarifies why having a majority of Jews being supportive of an ideology isn’t necessarily at issue one way or another. Before the Balfour Declaration and the defeat of the Germany/Ottoman Turks in WWI only a very small minority of Jews necessarily would’ve been privy to any back door dealings of men like Louis Brandeis who privately betrayed the interests of his nation and drug the USA into the war on Britain’s side. A majority of Jews 一定 weren’t zionists at this point.

    The point is that the World Zionist Organization understood well that once their plans had come to fruition with the destruction of Germany and the Turks, a great many Jews would repatriate and their comrades around the world would approve and be very supportive.

  137. @Ron Unz

    Thanks Ron. I am not sure I have read all those linked articles though I often cite some.

    As I mentioned in reply to Fred Reed’s #23, I think, despite his usual curmudgeonly attitude to Darwinian selection, he is hanging on to the right tram wrt doubting the biology undetlying Kevin McDonald’s use of “Evolutionary”. But….

    Could there be a meme rather than gene version that gets over the absence of DNA from McDonald’s research (as I understand it perhaps from insufficient knowledge of his opus)? I have just looked up “meme” in Wikipedia and suspect that there is a demolition job waiting to be done by you when you can make time. Any chance?

  138. @Ron Unz

    Most of the commenters, both pro-MacDonald and anti-MacDonald, seem to agree that average IQ varies from people group to people group.

    The big disagreement is about whether 民族中心主义 varies from people group to people group.

    The pro-MacDonald commenters say yes, ethnocentrism does vary from people group to people group, and Jews are one of the most ethnocentric people groups, while North European peoples tend to be among the least ethnocentric peoples.

    Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in 民族中心主义, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups – Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, “modern art”, spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in 批判文化 (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) – all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: “Is it good for the Jews?”, not “Is it good?”

    To my reading, the information presented in Ron Unz’s 美国精英统治的神话 supports the pro-MacDonald view.

    To summarize bluntly, here are how various groups are represented in admissions to elite academia:

    Blacks, Hispanics – fairly represented with respect to share of population, over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Asians – over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    Jews – over represented with respect to share of population, and also over represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    White Gentiles – under represented with respect to share of population, and also under represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ

    This is exactly what MacDonald’s theory of ethnocentrism would predict.

    Groups with medium ethnocentrism (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians) are able to ensure fair representation with respect to whichever metric is most favorable to their group.

    Groups with high ethnocentrism (Jews) are able to ensure over representation with respect to all metrics.

    Groups with low ethnocentrism (White Gentiles) are unable to ensure fair representation by any metric.

    • 回复: @Frankie P
    , @annamaria
  139. @CalDre

    …at one point, as I was researching it, I compared the Kaballah teachings with Freud’s id/ego/superego and found them remarkably similar.

    And come to think of it: both are remarkably similar to Plato’s theory of a tripartite soul

    Maybe Plato was an archaeo-crypto elder of zion!

    Shivveeerrzzzzz (internet: that was sarcasm)

    • 回复: @CalDre
  140. Anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @jilles dykstra

    I scratch my head. Have you gone off your rocker? Or is this a very perverse kind of trolling? Are we finally to wake up to the real “jille dyxtra” phenomenon?

    Just two simple points You must know that there hadn’t been a Roman king for hundreds of years. And where was there evidence of Jewish communities outside Palestine which were sufficiently troublesome to the religiously tolerant Roman state that they had to be disrupted?

    BTW what do you think Paul’s dates were? After all those “two large armies” were decades, even generations, apart, were they not?

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  141. anonomy 说:
    @Ron Unz

    OH WOW, Are you going to do the Jordan Peterson Personality Assessment Test? I seen one fella got a 100% Asshole.
    Is that all it takes, just go out and say “I’m not PC”, and insta fame on YouTube.
    Who has your data. 🙂

  142. anon[436]• 免责声明 说:
    @iffen

    You can do better than your jibes here. As to this one, surely Revusky is one of the most longwinded narcissists ever takung space on UR.

  143. i have to challenge the premiere premise, that whiteness is an ethnicity. Most Europeans are wgite, b ut have no unique ethnic connection — skin color is a biological construct. There is nothing inherent to culture that could not exist is same or similar form if said population was green.

  144. Frankie P 说:
    @geokat62

    Thank you for typing out that interesting exchange between Ford and Confas. It certainly focuses on some of the troubling actions of the organized American Jewish community as a whole, and Ford does NOT pussyfoot around with his feelings; he gets right down to it with strong, emotional language. I wonder if action will be taken to rescind his conversion for his ignoring the concept of omerta. An additional note of interest is one that Wally alludes to in his response to iffen, and that is the replies to your post by iffen and Wizard, both falling into the category of defenders of Israel and Jewish interests as a whole. The curious case of the dog that didn’t bark. Neither address the pithy issues in the exchange between Ford and Confas, both deflect and dissemble with peripheral trivial issues, iffen critizing repeated postings of an excellent post (again without addressing the issues), and the Wiz wondering who the maven may be, when a cursory scrolling through earlier comments would yield copious evidence of Lot’s eternal, stinky diarrhea.

    • 回复: @iffen
  145. @utu

    Jewish IQ is not a problem.

    Heck even I’m above the mean IQ of an Askenazi Jew, whether it be 109 or 115!

    What matters is their culture, insofar as it inculcates loyalty to the Jewish nation before loyalty to the nation among whom Jews reside.

    Such a mentality inevitably leads to corporate behavior aimed at promoting Jews over non-Jews and treating non-Jews as inferior to Jews, as indeed the Jewish religion teaches and the secularized Jewish culture firmly inculcates in the minds of those that adhere to it.

    And in fact, this attitude of Jewish supremacism leads directly to genocidal policies against host nations as seen in Sweden today where a single Jewish family, the Bonniers control the media and bar criticism of their advocacy for mass replacement immigration. Thus:

    In 1993 the newspaper Expressen broke one of the great taboos of Swedish politics and published a rare opinion poll on the country’s actual views. Under the headline “Throw them out” the paper revealed that 63 percent of swedish people wanted immigrants to go back to their home countries. An accompanying article by the papers’s editor-in-chief Erik Mansson, noted that, “The Swedish people have a firm opinion on immigration and refugee policies. Those in power have the opposite opnion. It does not add up. It is an opinion bomb about to go off. That is why we are writing about this, starting today. Telling it just like it is. In black and white. Before the bomb goes off” As though to prove the point he was making, the only result of this opinion poll was that the owners of Expressen fired the Paper’s editor-in-chief.

    The Strange Death of Europe. Douglas Murray, 2017

  146. CalDre 说:
    @Lot

    What a loser attempt to discredit ideas via snobbery. Are you fucking for real? It’s hard for me to comprehend someone could be such an utter condescending snob to close his mind to the idea that …. Wait, that’s not what you’re doing, you’re just a mouthpiece for the ruling class and your actual stupid fucking pathetic view point is, “if the idea is not sanctioned by the ruling class, it has no value”.

    My God is that pathetic.

  147. @Bardon Kaldian

    @CalDre “这对犹太人有好处吗”。 部落的伦理深深植根于他们的文化中,几位犹太作家将其用作他们书籍的标题。 https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Is+it+good+for+the+jews

    顺便说一句……请注意,弗洛伊德是犹太人,但显然不是犹太复国主义者。 摘自 1930 年弗洛伊德写给 Keren Hajessod(Chaim Koffler 博士)的一封信:

    我不能如你所愿(签署一份批评 1929 年阿拉伯起义的请愿书)……谁想影响群众,就必须给他们一些激动人心和煽动性的东西,我对犹太复国主义的清醒判断不允许这样做……但是,另一方面,我不要认为巴勒斯坦会成为一个犹太国家,也不要认为基督教和伊斯兰世界会准备好让他们的圣地处于犹太人的照顾之下。 在我看来,在历史负担较轻的土地上建立犹太家园似乎更明智。 但我知道,这样理性的观点,永远得不到群众的热情和富人的资金支持。

    我悲痛地承认,阿拉伯人不信任的觉醒部分归咎于我们人民毫无根据的狂热。 对于将希律城墙的一部分变成国家文物,从而冒犯当地人感情的误导性虔诚,我完全无法表示同情。
    现在你自己判断,我是否是一个正确的人,我是否是一个合适的人,作为一个被不合理的希望所迷惑的人民的安慰。

    你这个听话的仆人

    弗洛伊德

  148. iffen 说:
    @Frankie P

    I do not consider Jew-baiting to be a “pithy” issue. I do comment on some of the anti-Semitic comments, but there are so many choices and so little time that I can’t get to all of them. I do not deflect nor dissemble with regard to Jews or Israel, although, I would if I thought it necessary.

    The maven is not the Wiz, but rather is Sam Shama who is currently out of the loop. (I suspect he is on a secret Mossad mission.)

    I do not defend all Israeli policies, just their right to exist like any other country. I defend American Jews from neo-Nazi pellet droppers and such.

    Lot is a very knowledgeable and thoughtful commenter.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Frankie P
  149. CalDre 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Actually AFAIK it is believed, without contradiction, that Saadiah, Maimonides and, in particular, the 佐哈, were all influenced by Plato’s tripartite soul (in Hebrew, Nefesh (appetite, desire), ruah (spirit), and Neshamah (reason)).

    My point, in context of where I made it back in the thread, was simply that Freud’s Jewishness profoundly influenced his work – as his influence came through the 佐哈 (Kabbalism), not Platonic philosophy. And not just in that regard, but in general, due to Jews’ profound hatred of and contempt for Christianity, Jewish intellectuals , particularly in the Frankfurt School but elsewhere too, worked feverishly to undermine Christianity and its principles and the corresponding “White identity” which had formed around it.

    That to me is why Freud’s Jewishness is a remarkable part of the story. Because his theories were utter fucking filthy garbage and he was a pathetic and filthy pervert. But he became famous precisely because his perversity undermined Christianity. If one day you sit down and list all of the “Jewish intellectuals” and their ideas, you will find, at least I have found, most of them spewed garbage, garbage which in many cases they themselves did not believe, but what they shared in common is espousing ideology which undermined Christianity and White identity. And this pattern has continued with “Jewish intellectuals” pretty consistently ever since. Yes, there is a very clear pattern. And one could even dub it – and we are full circle back to – a 群体进化策略 based on undermining the unity of one’s competitors for power (a/k/a “divide and conquer”).

  150. Frankie P 说:
    @John Gruskos

    “Asians – over represented with respect to share of population, fairly represented with respect to academic achievement/IQ”

    Perhaps fairly represented with respect to IQ, but certainly not fairly represented with respect to academic achievement as manifested by high school academics and SAT scores.

    And yes, I agree with the argument that student excellence depends on other factors in which Asians are notoriously weak: social interaction, teamwork and team building, creative problem solving, etc.

  151. @joe webb

    “so much yakkity -yak about IQ.”

    Agreed, this makes my little gentile brain hurt…
    Anyone know Macdonald and Nehlans stance on a real 9/11 investigation?
    Doesn’t take a genius to know that the official version is a lie, the truth covered up by our hero Mueller… original 9/11 commission members have said investigation was a sham, set up to fail.
    I’ve looked and haven’t found the answer. This is a question we should be asking all candidates.

  152. Wally 说:
    @iffen

    Please tell us what “Jew-baiting” is.

    You should be very pleased to know that ‘the Nazis’ did not kill 6M Jews.

    Lot is a believer in the impossibly absurd.

    We challenge you and Lot to debate.

    No name calling level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
    CODOH main site here:
    http://www.codoh.com

  153. @Anon

    King indeed was a mistake, should have been emperor.
    关于保罗
    迈克尔·拜金特(Michael Baigent),理查德·利(Richard Leigh),《耶稣基督的雕像》,克里斯蒂安姆(Christentum)逝世,《死海古卷》,1991年,2005年,贝尔吉施·格拉德巴赫(Bergisch Gladbach)
    Jews in the Roman empire
    迈克尔·格兰特(Michael Grant),《罗马世界的犹太人》,1973年,纽约
    Roman war in Palestine
    Flavius Josephus,“Geschichte des Jüdischen Krieges”,威斯巴登,1978
    Large army
    Yigael Yadin,“马萨达,英雄的堡垒和狂热者的最后一站”,伦敦,1996 年

    The murder on the emperor, it seems he took away jewish prerogatives.

  154. Anonymous[285]• 免责声明 说:
    @utu

    True. We can only hope that one of them (Kevin MacDonald, maybe) decides to purchase some mineral supplements and tackles this ridiculous propaganda.

    The Jews are only a tiny, 2% minority in the US, so even if we take the 110 (Ashkenazi) IQ claim at face value (lol) the US whites would outnumber them more than 15 to 1 in the number of 110+ IQ people. Gosh, Nathan Cofnas might not be so smart after all. His “default hypothesis” – a.k.a. “we’re just that clever, goy” – can’t explain anything. He needs to think bigger. I’d go with a 210 IQ number next time.

    • 同意: CanSpeccy
    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @CalDre
  155. There is a side that is never in the debate:the lack of resisitence of the anglo-saxon gentil.
    The usa anglo gentil.
    The aztecas rebel against Hernado Cortez ,resist him,even against their own King in an hierachical society.
    Recently you can point to the strategy of dominance in Iraq and Afaganistan using the most powerfull military in the world that fail due to resistance of the the “victim”.
    It is an axiom that jews have total control of the USA ,etc but the lacking of real man in the midst of the Usa agnlo -gentil is half of the why.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @OilcanFloyd
  156. annamaria 说:
    @John Gruskos

    “Most provocatively, the pro-MacDonald commenters insist that it is these differences in ethnocentrism, rather than differences in IQ, which explain Jewish over-representation in certain notorious groups – Bolsheviks, organized crime, white collar crime, “modern art”, spies (Rosenbergs, Pollard) and their apologists, open borders activists, pornographers, welfare fraud, Hollywood, sexual revolution, opposition to Christianity in the public sphere, belligerent Russophobes, and the pseudo-scientific intellectual movements reviewed in Culture of Critique (Boasian anthropology, Freudian psychology, Frankfurt School sociology, etc.) – all explained by the particularistic (rather than universalistic) morality associated with high ethnocentrism: “Is it good for the Jews?”, not “Is it good?”
    —Agree. The question of Jewish ethnocentrism goes into the heart of moral values. “Is it good?” Interesting that the accomplished Mr. Cofnas has studiously avoided this aspect.

  157. annamaria 说:
    @Anonymous

    “…ridiculous propaganda.”
    — What planet are you from? Kevin MacDonald gives a clear explanation of the tribal psychology of supremacy and of its pernicious influence on western civilization. For example, there are anti-freedom-of-speech laws designed to protect Israel’s “image.” Never heard about this? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/city-links-hurricane-relief-support-israel-171021080158569.html
    “In Dickinson, Texas, residents must sign a pledge not to boycott Israel in order to obtain hurricane relief funds.”
    And you peddle your stuff about Jewish moral and intellectual superiority and about Jewish innocent defenselessness? — You are funny.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  158. Anonymous[228]• 免责声明 说:
    @Rafael Martorell

    Western men have been deliberately poisoned with xenoestrogens and other endocrine-disruptors: Sperm counts in the West plunge by 60% in 40 years as ‘modern life’ damages men’s health

    The not-so-funny part is that the trend was known for decades but the public mostly doesn’t know. I remember reading a paper on it from ’92-’93. Even worse: most of these articles don’t even mention the corresponding drop in Testosterone – a hormone that’s crucial for man’s assertiveness, drive and ability to 不能 take shit from just anyone and become a docile sheep. Another coincidence.

    The war on Western men didn’t start recently, contrary to the popular perception.

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  159. @Rafael Martorell

    Americans have refuted the elites repeatedly at the ballot box over and over, for decades, only to be stabbed in the back repeatedly. Eventually, the shit will hit the fan. Why do you think Americans are armed to the teeth with everything from .50 cal rifles to .22s, and God knows what else? Do Americans stock these arms and ammo for deer hunting or home defense?

    America is supposed to be based on laws, and Americans have given the system a chance to work, which distinguishes us from the “real men” from more chaotic places. We also have much more to lose.

  160. @Anonymous

    How does this testosterone theory account for black violence and aggressiveness. Blacks eat from the same food supply as the rest of us, and arguably have a worse diet on average.

  161. Anonymous[228]• 免责声明 说:
    @annamaria

    You misread my post. I’m on his side. He should challenge the single, ridiculous excuse Nathan Cofnas offered for his Tribe’s massive over-representation in the key sectors. At 2% of the population, they’d be barely cracking 4-5% representation on a level field. Less, actually, since only one of the Tribe’s sub-tribes knows the big words.

  162. CalDre 说:
    @Anonymous

    Even if one buys into the “Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Aryans” myth, which clearly I don’t, it does not explain Jewish success.

    The rational, evolutionary response of any group (W) that is confronted with an “other”group (J) which seeks to gain power within W and assert dominance over W is to prevent that. Groups which do not successfully protect themselves from dominance by other groups simply cease to exist, or at least cease to be successful. History is chock full of groups – whether species of animals or human groups such as “primitive” (in terms of “the will to power”, not in terms of spirituality or emotional development) tribes – which died out for their failure to prevent domination by other groups.

    Now Whites in particular are not hesitant to dominate other groups or to defend themselves against domination by others. The history of European warfare, colonialism and imperialism, as well as destruction of various incompatible species, prove that beyond the shadow of any doubt.

    So what is special about Jews that they are able to foil W’s natural survival instinct? It’s most certainly NOT “intelligence” – W’s far greater numbers and objectively greater power (if only focused) would serve to utterly dominate Js, as the German attempted expulsion (NOT extermination, so tired of that fucking Jewish “Big Lie”) of Jews in WW II proves. However MacDonald’s “group evolutionary strategy” provides some insights.

    As far as I see it, different groups have tried to dominate the world throughout history. Most of them have tried to do so through military conquest. What is unique about Jews, as a tribe/nation, is that they attempt to gain world domination through infiltration and usurpation. And, for whatever reason, they have been quite successful at masking their diabolical infiltration by use of the “anti-Semitism” canard, as if some group not wanting to be dominated by an “other” group, particularly one that despises the majority group, is a sign of hatred – rather the hatred, really, comes from the Jews, who are trying to dominate the others. So Jews are successfully able to “turn the tables”, make black into white, by accusing others of hatred of them, simply for opposing Jews’ hatred of, and efforts to dominate, the others.

    There are of course other groups that use similar strategies. Indeed, this strategy is a common strategy of the ruling oligarchy in any society. Rulership within a society, while often initially accomplished by violence / conquest, retains its power through usurpation, typically propaganda that attempts to justify some small good-for-nothing group of murderers and thieves, which all ruling classes are, having power over the rest of society.

    Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. And honestly it doesn’t even bother me, that they try and have a successful strategy, in the abstract. What really pisses me off at Jews to no end – actually, about the only thing that does – is their 常数 aggressive smears of “anti-Semitism” and other diabolical propaganda, including criminalizing their double-think “hate speech” and legal prohibitions on speech about and demonization of racial identity by non-Jews (which Jews themselves exploit to its fullest potential), to prevent an honest debate about what is happening.

    So in the end, it is not intelligence, but radical ethnocentrism (including affirmative action toward tribe members) and “class consciousness” (i.e., deliberate and malicious attacks on tribal competitors) which is the key to Jewish success.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  163. ” Jews just have a very clever way of obtaining control. ”
    Bribery does not seem a very clever way.
    Not much more or less than owning media.
    Soros bought one on the few independent British newspapers, Guardian.
    Nothing new in buying newspapers, editors and journalists, De Wendel did it.
    让·诺埃尔·珍妮(Jean-NoëlJeanneney),《法兰西共和国文德尔大街》,《 Argent et Le Pouvoir》 1914-1940,巴黎,1976
    He was not a jew.

    The shocking thing for jews with Hitler was that bribery did not work.
    Jews had nearly always been able to buy their protection at the highest level.
    Truman bribing into recognising Israel, against the advice of the State Department, the assertion is one million dollar, may be a good example.

    In France Sarkozy is persecuted for having financed his election with Ghadaffi money.
    He of course denies anything, however, a surviving son of Ghadaffi says that he has all the proof.
    What Sarko promised Ghadaffi in return, not clear to me.
    Maybe he just did not fulfill his promise.

  164. @CalDre

    ” it does not explain Jewish success. ”
    What success ?
    See how Israel is condemned by next to the whole world, and jewish control over the USA is discussed here.

  165. Lot 说:
    @Svigor

    Kevin, if you’re looking to write another book, you have one waiting for you right here, in the comments section of the iSteve Blog. “Conservative Jews” here have, as one of their main missions, defending Jewry; making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews.

    Such power in the comment section of one blog!

    making the dissident right incapable of criticism of Jews

    What does “dissident right” mean exactly? Is there someone in particular you think wants to be Jew-critical but is afraid?

    The reality is that right-wing antisemites are viewed by normal conservative Americans are freakshow bozos and embarrassments, while the fight against mass migration and Islamification of the West has so many individual people, many of them Jews, who all by themselves have done more positive things in terms of impact than the entire “counter-semitism” gang put together. Pam Geller to take just one example, who puts herself in real physical danger and deals with endless online Jihadi/SJW harassment.

    • 回复: @Neil Templeton
  166. @Lot

    Maybe the proper response, Lot, is a leap of faith. Perhaps the MSM Jews ought to begin to back the nationalist claims of the Alt Right. I know we’re not that smart. But because, for the most part, we’re not genetically descended from the Troubled Lands, we can’t hold a grudge for long. And we’re trusting, to a point. Primarily, we believe in, and try to abide by, the noble virtues, e.g. honesty, loyalty, courage, vows, etc. Do you have faith in the noble virtues?

    • 回复: @iffen
  167. phil 说:
    @utu

    “It is the shabbos goys who are doing the job of spreading the gospel of Jewish HBD supremacy: Lynn, Murray, Cochran, Sailer, Peterson…”

    Are you sure that Steve Sailer is a goy?

  168. phil 说:
    @utu

    “The meme is going mainstream and is there to help the masses understand that their masters are there because of immutable universal laws established by IQ sacred science and nothing can be done about it except to submit to masters.”

    This is, of course, irresponsible rhetoric. The point is simply that, on average, blacks are less intelligent and are therefore likely earn less than other major racial groups. It is now generally accepted amongst labor economists–Roland Fryer is a good example–that a lack of cognitive ability is the #1 factor causing the earnings of blacks to languish. Fryer has occasionally fallen for “Harlem education miracles” and the like, and James Heckman has looked to comprehensive pre-school education to close “the gap”, but the gap remains. “IQ theories,” like other theories, are never really proven. They just haven’t been convincingly falsified, at least for the time being. No one really knows where average black genotypic IQ lies. Heiner Rindermann’s recent estimate is 93.

    • 回复: @utu
  169. Frankie P 说:
    @iffen

    I’m curious and puzzled as to how you can portray the civil exchange between Ford and Confas as “Jew-baiting”, especially since they are both Jews and they are seriously discussing the influence of American Jewish groups on American society. It’s almost as if you view the discussion of the influence of organized Jewish groups as Anti-semitism, even when it is two Jews discussing it.

  170. Tyrion 2 说:
    @anon

    Why is the “default” hypothesis that Jews push leftist causes because they’re higher-IQ, more urban Christians? Why is that more parsimonious than self-interest?

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  171. iffen 说:
    @Neil Templeton

    As Judaism becomes defined exclusively by the nation-state, Israel, and the noble virtues that you reference, much less Tikkun olam, fall by the wayside from Judaism’s portfolio, Israeli nationalism will be shown to be just another garden variety nationalism, then who are you going to call?

  172. Anon[910]• 免责声明 说:

    National Longitudinal Study 97 Data
    Dunkel et al. Data

    So, my understanding was that the only large *代表* study of the IQ of religious groups in the U.S. was the Project Talent data, which you can see in the Dunkel et al paper. But, I believe that the NLS 97 data also satisfies this criteria. I linked to an blog post by Razib Kahn back in 2008 discussing a study on the NLS97 data. You can see the IQ scores it estimates for Americas various whites religious groups there. So, it appears that the two major representative studies give Jews a 3-6 point point IQ advantage over the average non-Jewish White. Am I wrong, did I misinterpret this data?

    值得注意的, pumpkinperson quotes Seligman writing in 92 thatthe closest thing we have to a representative sample of Jewish IQ is the project talent data. If the NLS97 data is indeed representative, then while Seligman was right at the time, that statement is no longer true. We thus have two sets (and I believe *只要* two sets?) of representative data on the intelligence of various religious denominations in the US.

    Denomination, IQ
    Episcopalian/Anglican 113.43
    犹太人 112.43
    无神论者 111.08
    Agnostic 109.13
    卫理公会 108.33
    长老会 107.74
    Omitting some denominations …
    总106.09

    • 回复: @utu
  173. Anonymous[382]• 免责声明 说:

    Which WordPress multipage plug-in is this?

  174. utu 说:
    @Anon

    If IQ’s SD is approximately 15 then to estimate the mean of population to within of 1 IQ scale point within ± 1 sigma it suffices to have a sample of n=225 subjects size.

    From Dunkel paper that had three data sets and from studies you are citing here we can clearly see that IQ psyshometricians and researchers we clearly see that results of various studies are not congruent with each other. The means of IQ from various study vary widely beyond expected statistical error margins meaning that the so-called psychometricians and IQ researchers and their claims can’t be believed.

  175. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish

    The funny thing is, by denying Jews can ever exemplify these traits you’re ironically demonstrating these very traits 🙂

    At different historical periods, some groups are exceptionally self-interested. For instance, the Spanish in the Americas were extraordinarily ethnocentric and selfish – they destroyed entire civilizations to advance their little tribe.

    Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human

    The exact opposite of the truth. It “essentially defines” Jews as no different than the rest of the human race and just as capable of all its stupidity and evil.

    But everyone here realizes, Tyrion, that as a Jew you’re not prepared to admit Jews are capable of being as bad as, say, the Spanish.

    Jewish exceptionalism strikes again 🙂

    But do continue, your unwitting exposure of how Jews really think is very interesting to watch!

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  176. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AaronB

    There’s a tremendous amount of ground between what you’re alleging about Jews and being perfect. I don’t find it difficult to sit in the middle ground between the two extremes. Why is your thinking so borderline?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  177. utu 说:
    @phil

    Looks like you like the bait they caught you very much. So I will not argue with you and let you stay in the sandbox with the Black IQ as your favorite toy.

  178. @Lot

    Nobody in the “deep state” told Spencer to become a Nazi clown to damage Trump.

    Well, maybe not. It’s true that I cannot prove my conjecture that Spencer is “working for the show”. Still, I would say that anybody who can watch the following clip and not 疑似, at the very least, that this guy is a plant, that’s somebody who is very unaware.

    There is a bit of ambiguity. After he says “Hail Trump. Hail our People. Hail Victory!” he stretches out his water glass as if it is a toast, maybe. Not a fascist salute.

    But then the camera shifts over to people in the audience unambiguously doing a fascist salute. Those people are clearly plants.

    That the whole thing is Deep State agitprop seems like a very sensible suspicion and has nothing to do with any psychiatric diagnoses you make of me. Again, anybody who does NOT at least suspect this is somebody who is extremely naive and unaware.

  179. @utu

    But masters are not cruel and let whites having some consolation with that their IQ is higher than that of blacks.

    A consolation prize! Gosh darn it! How positively 白色 其中!

    Say, I was wondering. Easter is nearly upon us and we are awaiting the arrival of the Easter Bunny. Santa Claus comes at Christmastime.

    So what time of the year does the IQ Fairy make her rounds?

  180. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    By borderline I think you mean “extreme”.

    Well, historically different groups do fall into extremes – extremes of selfishness, extremes of power seeking. It’s a natural cycle.

    By refusing to consider the possibility that Jews may have fallen into an extreme as part of a natural civilizational cycle you yourself are being extreme, and by arguing for Jewish exceptionalism you are ironically preparing the way for McDonald to advance his equally extreme thesis.

    If Jewish exceptionalism is a legitimate thesis, then exceptional Jewish depravity becomes easier to advance as a respectable thesis.

    Do you see how Jewish extremism in regard to whitewashing their self image has made it easier to hold extreme positions on Jewish depravity? It’s the ironic law of unintended consequences. Extremes beget extremes.

    What I am proposing is a sensible middle ground – McDonald’s thesis, while illuminating, should be rejected as too extreme. Similarly, the sensible middle ground bids us accept the possibility that Jews are as capable of falling into depraved extremes as any other group of people.

    Permanent, genetic Jewish perversity should be rejected – the flip side being that temporary, periodic Jewish depravity must be considered as likely as for any other group.

    As you know, I think Judaism elevated the principle of ego to an extreme – but other groups have come close, including the Japanese, the Germans (who got it from the Jews), the Chinese, the British, and even Islam. But each group displayed a capacity for moderating the impulse of self-interest for lengthy periods.

    So Tyrion, join hands with me and as sensible moderate men let us admit that extreme genetic Jewish depravity should be rejected in favor of periodic, recurring Jewish depravity – no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  181. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AaronB

    By ‘borderline’ I meant reminiscent of someone with Borderline Personality Disorder.

    Naturally, that includes ‘splitting’ which you confuse for merely ‘extreme’.

    As for the sophistry you followed your misunderstanding up with, you’ll find that it has no relation to the post you intially objected to. Indeed, your own current sophistry rejects your objection to my post.

    I have bolded the most important point for your simpler comprehension.

    A. Leftist causes often run counter to ‘Jewish interests’.

    B. Each individual Jew’s self-interest is only somewhat defined by their Judaism.

    C. No individual is entirely selfish.

    These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.

    None of these have any particular evidence to them. Two of them essentially define Jews as less than human and the other results in the most absurd logical contortions and conspiracy theorising.

    Holding such beliefs literally makes you bad and stupid.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Neil Templeton
  182. Anonymous[365]• 免责声明 说:

    no different in principle from that exhibited by any human group

    Man, that’s a powerful argument and an exceptional display of verbal IQ. Surely, the goyim will be compelled to abandon all this Jew talk and move on to the latest Kim Kardashian wardrobe malfunction update. No wonder you were chosen.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  183. utu 说:

    commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric

    You can’t be more ethnocentric than having your own god that rules the whole universe.

    The proof of extraordinary ethnocentricity of Jews is in their existence. Jewish persistent existence is historical, sociological and possibly biological phenomenon. MacDonald’s books tried to explain this phenomenon in a modern lingo of evolutionary sociology, group game theory and so on.

    Where are the ethnocentric Germans, Poles, Finns, Lithuanians, Croats and many others in American society? Where did they go? Jews could have done the same. Their external phenotypes did not prevent them from exercising complete mimicry leading to eventual complete assimilation. But they did not opt for the complete assimilation. Where are German or Polish or Croat equivalents of ADL or AIPAC?

  184. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Very interesting, and worth discussing. You make some good points.

    They’d only be worth discussing, Tyrion, if you’re willing to admit – in principle – that Jews can actually have periods of “extraordinary ethnocentrism and unique selfishness”, much like other groups of humans have had.

    I’m not asking you to say they “are” having such a period – merely that, in principle, there is no reason why Jews can’t act as bad as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, allowing for different circumstances.

    What I’m hearing from you now is extreme Jewish exceptionalism, and a random bunch of bizarre non-sequiturs – yes, no one is entirely selfish.

    Well, if you’re capable of common sense moderation and very basic level of intellectual honesty, please demonstrate for all of us to see. The angry lashing out isn’t particularly impressive.

    You know, these arguments get tiresome unless we can establish a minimum baseline – and I think we can easily define such a minimum as including the perfectly non-controversial notion that Jewish group behavior can periodically be as selfish as, say, the Spanish in the Americas, or the British in India.

    If you can’t even unambiguously state that, then I’m afraid you’re doing nothing to detract from the commonly held suspicion on this site that you’re an irrational Jewish extremist….

    • 巨魔: Tyrion 2
  185. AaronB 说:
    @Anonymous

    Step by step, my dear anonymous.

    Getting our good Jewish friend Tyrion here to exhibit minimum standards of sanity and admit so uncontroversial a notion that Jewish group behavior can exhibit flaws familiar from historical examples of non-Jewish group behavior would help establish minimum standard of common sense and rationality.

    Conversely, by refusing to admit that he’s exhibiting for everyone here to see that he’s just an angry Jewish supremacist trying to make a case for Jewish privilege…

    Somehow, our good Tyrion on doesn’t understand irony very well… 🙂

  186. Tyrion 2 说:

    Society literally holds that white people – white privilege, institutional racism – are engaged in a systematic conspiracy to hobble other groups. Whether this is white people’s conscious planning or insidious subconscious, it doesn’t matter.

    这导致集体内疚,并使各种惩罚合理化。

    对此有很多即兴表演,其中包括像阴谋一样有罪和父权制的男人等等。

    这些类型的血腥诽谤也总是被认为已经存在了几个世纪,并且是出于隐藏的仇恨。 他们有吸引疯子的倾向,并陷入完全消除主义的言辞甚至行动中。

    他们几乎没有道理。 所有的证据最终都证实了阴谋论者的理论。

    指出每个大公司都公开吹嘘歧视“有色人种”,你会被告知这是人们只有在积极参与相反时才会提出的烟幕类型。

    指出男性的自杀率远高于女性,并被告知这是父权制的“有毒男子气概”。

    他们也会从说你应该受到责备,转而说他们实际上是在试图帮助你。

    他们会有详尽的断章取义清单、古代名言、无名小卒的名言,甚至是他们想要妖魔化的任何群体的完全虚假的名言。

    他们会说他们的和平、善良,甚至是受害者,同时进行的言辞在逻辑上暗示你们每天都应该被杀、被压碎、被流放或只是被羞辱。

    事实上,他们是虚无主义者,他们的心和他们的信仰一样空虚。 该理论是对自身不足的外化。 他们是可悲的人,是现代的祸害。

    而对抗虚无主义者,你唯一的堡垒就是真相。 你的希望是,在某个时刻,当他们在自己悲惨的感情的泥泞中挣扎时,他们会遇到一些坚实的东西,或者他们会牵着你的手,缓慢而坚定地把自己抬到土地上,在那里他们可以第一次开始在坚实的基础上行走地面,在光明中,直立。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  187. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    I think I’m being perfectly reasonable here, but I’m starting to lose hope you’ll ever answer my very simple question…

    And Tyrion, what did we say about you pretending not to address me directly?

    You will feel better once you get rid of your silly notion that we’re “against Jews” , whatever that means. I appreciate lots of things about Jews, we just want to bring you down to earth and back into the human race. It’s not so bad where we humans dwell.

    As someone who believes in natural cycles, I dont actually advocate that anything be “done” about the Jewish grip on power. Like all phenomena, it will have its natural rise and fall, and is already in the process of destroying itself through extreme overreach, loss of tactical flexibility, and increasing laziness and stupidity, as evidenced by Cofnas and several commenters on this site.

    When that happens, you Jews will be happier and better adjusted, and can even begin enjoying yourselves for once. It will be a massive release of strain and pressure.

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
    , @ben tillman
  188. Kali M 说: • 您的网站

    It is quite obvious that IQ tests do not test intellectual ability but rather intellectual achievement. So by calling them “intelligence” tests as if they test an innate or even genetic level of intellectual ability is a mistake.

    Another mistake is the notion that genes plays an inherent part of intellectual ability. While persons with syndromes of various types which affect the brain negatively (Downs Syndrome), or certain physical ailments which cause people to live sedentary lifestyles which increases intellectual activity, causing either a direct genetic cause (the former) or indirect genetic cause (the latter)–what is not proven is there being positive direct genetic factors increasing intellectual ability based on those genetic differences. The genetic differences in people is limited to shape, color, size, and so on–of a physical form. For an average person in any race the genetic differences do not correlate to the mind, which is in fact not the same as the brain, being non-material and therefore beyond genetics.

    The mind is not material, genetics are material, i.e., made of matter, cells, and so on. These are two different things that are related, but in the sense that a radio is related to the sound coming from it. The source of the sound is not the radio, but the radio is needed to hear it, and if the radio is broken to whatever degree it will affect the sound. The brain is like a radio, the mind is the sound, literally. The mind is thought-sound, that is all it is. You hear the mind but you do control or create thought. If you think you do, try to explain how to create a thought, or how to force a memory to appear. You can explain neither, this is because the mind is not not what most people think it is. Thoughts are not under your control. Try to explain how to create a thought…..go ahead.

    You simply cannot. No human one can. Thoughts are not caused by us, thoughts happen to us. Thoughts and memory are the basis for the intellect, neither of which we control. Intellect is outside of our control. Thoughts are Caused by Something Else Entirely.

  189. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AaronB

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    The rest of your post might be the most cringeworthy thing I’ve read in months. It reads like a satire of an SJW.

    I have to assume you are a troll. Ypur effort is too on the nose even by the meagre standards of the crazier commenters at this site.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  190. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    It is true but irrelevant. It is banal.

    Well I’m impressed. You rose to the challenge and did the right thing.

    And I agree, it is so stupendously banal a truth that it astonishes me that so many Jews will deny it by claiming that any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    And yet many do. I’m glad you’re no longer one of them.

    It may be correct, or not – but it is certainly well within the realm of recognized human conduct, and a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion.

    By admitting this, you’ve helped your cause and elevated yourself in the eyes of everyone here.

    And Tyrion, you know very well I’m not a troll. Growing up among Jews and still friends with many, God forbid that I should hate you – I want nothing more than to rehabilitate you. I know only too well the “melancholy of the Jew”.

    Also, what makes you think my post was a reply to you?

    You ain’t fooling no one 🙂

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  191. @Tyrion 2

    “These are pretty basic observations. To counter them on this site commenters have to posit that Jews are extraordinarily ethno-centric, that Jews are uniquely selfish and that somehow leftist causes exactly mirror Jewish interests even when they obviously don’t.”

    OK, I’ll comment. 1) Jews may not be extraordinarily ethno-centric, relative to other collectivist oriented societies, but they are more collectivist than many if not most Western European ethnic groups, especially the pioneer tribes like the Crackers that prize individualism highly. This doesn’t mean that no Jews are individualist, or that all Western Europeans are individualist, but it does mean that a fair share of Jewish political activity in America is cooked in a collectivist kettle. Because a fair number of Americans are raised within an individualist narrative, this inspires distrust of Jews.

    2) I’m not sure what you mean by “uniquely selfish.” I would speculate that because many Americans are strongly individualist, and accustomed to living without a great deal of company under trying circumstances, they may be more generous and altruistic on a limited basis than Jews (or any other peoples adapted to living under crowded, chaotic conditions with many unrelated and potentially hostile neighbors). Here the noble virtues of generosity and self-sacrifice may also play a part in differential behaviors.

    3) Leftist causes do not always mirror Jewish causes. Obviously the current Leftist infatuation with multi-culturalism does not mirror the Israeli infatuation with the survival of the Jewish Homeland. So what? Leftism in America over the past 100 years or more has relied heavily, almost exclusively, on a collectivist strategy to attain its goals. Marches, opinions signed by dozens of professors or other “experts”, arguments that cite to the popularity of the proposal with all the right thinkers, skewed opinion polls, etc. So much so that it appears that the true end goal is to eradicate the individualists.

    Which makes perfect sense. Because individualists cleared the ground and settled the space so that the collectivists could enter and exploit wonderful new opportunities. That was then and this is not. They were needed once, now it is time for them to go .

    • 回复: @iffen
  192. Tyrion 2 说:

    The whole point of my post was that for old MacDonald to be right, those three conditions had to be true. You agree that they’re not, ergo you disagree with old MacDonald.

    Whether Jewish immigrants have historically been less individualist in terms of libertarian politics than the most historically individualist group in the world – Anglo-Saxons – is totally off point.

  193. iffen 说:
    @Neil Templeton

    Jews have “solved” the problem of hyper individualistic competition while still maintaining a collective identity at the end of the day. Liberal democratic capitalism 步伐 Slezkine has tried the “Jewish” model for all and it is clearly failing, but it still seems to be working for the Jews.

  194. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AaronB

    any suggestion that Jewish group behavior in the West is characterized by hostile ethnic interests as automatically insane and racist.

    It is automatically insane and racist though, given that we live in an actual world and not your random hypothetical.

    I don’t know if you are being disingenuous or if you are not too bright as your argument is akin to:

    1. Men have, in certain extreme scenarios, seen rape as perfectly fine behaviour.

    2. American men are men.

    Therefore, there is nothing insane about alleging that American men are engaged in a group conspiracy to rape all women.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  195. @Bardon Kaldian

    It doesn’t really look like you’ve read the books.

  196. @Bardon Kaldian

    犹太人“遵循群体进化策略”。 他根本没有证明这种策略存在,除了一个琐碎的观察,即任何人类集体都希望保持其身份并茁壮成长。 这种行为没有“策略”。

    Acknowledgment of the Jewish group strategy is commonplace in Jewish writing. For instance, Dennis Praeger emphasizes this fact in “Why the Jews?”.

  197. @Lot

    That was a whole of stupid commentary that had absolutely nothing to do with MacDonald’s books.

  198. MacDonald’s basic thesis (which he substantiates persuasively) is that numerous intellectual movements over the past century that have been spearheaded and supported by prominent Jews in the West, have carried with them a covert underside designed to advance Jewish interests–often at the expense of host cultures.

    The thesis was more specific in the third book of his trilogy. i.e., that the movements were designed to dissolve (or prevent the formation of) gentile groups capable of competing against the Jewish group.

    Book 1: A Jewish group coalesced and pursued a group strategy.

    Book 2: Ceteris paribus, group strategies outcompete individualist strategies. In some historical instances, Europeans developed group strategies to compete with the Jewish group.

    Book 3: A number of Jewish intellectual and political movements of the 20th century were designed to prevent European-derived peoples from developing or using group strategies to compete with the Jewish group.

  199. @Lot

    Also, as Cofnas notes, every non-anti-semitic intellectual movement in the West is heavily Jewish, from Communism to Austrian school economics. Not to mention things like chess, computer programming, and theoretical physics that have little to nothing to do with politics.

    And? Why are you telling us this?

    You also left out the big issue: the specific scientific claim that Jewish intellectuals are motivated by genes honed in “group evolution.”

    没有这样的说法。

    No actual evolutionary biologist, including those well outside the grasp of the PC police or who just don’t care, takes this seriously. The math on “group selection” just doesn’t add up.

    You are ludicrously ignorant of the concept of group selection. Literally every example of what YOU conceive of as “individual selection” is in fact an instance of group selection. Read pages 87-98 of Wilson’s “Unto Others”. One needs no knowledge of math to grasp this fact.

  200. AaronB 说:
    @Tyrion 2

    Excellent, now we’re getting somewhere.

    Since men have been known to rape, if there’s an epidemic of rapes in America it’s not insane to think that American men are the culprits.

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see Jews in America gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it’s perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups.

    好极了!

    • 回复: @Tyrion 2
  201. AaronB 说:

    As for your “3 points”, Tyrion – they do not all have to be true, far from it.

    1) Jews don’t have to be “uniquely selfish”. They merely have to be “as” selfish as, say, the Spanish in America, or the British in India or China.

    Not that there’s anything inherently illegitimate about suggesting one group may be “uniquely selfish”.

    2) No one is suggesting Jews are “entirely” selfish. They are no doubt nice to their moms, and even to gentiles if it doesn’t conflict with their interests. This one was weird.

    3) Left wing causes may be harmful to Jews in some ways, but if they have clear benefits in other ways it’s easy to see how it may be a strategy worth pursuing. Strategies involve tradeoffs. The mere fact that in some of their consequences left wing causes dont benefit Jews means little. Jews may even be willing to suffer short term consequences for long term gains. Emotional satisfaction may also play a role.

    In any case, the hypocrisy of Jews who exempt Israel from their left wing causes clinches the case, as well as the many quotes Mcdonald has collected where Jews explicitly reference ethnic animus as part of their motivation.

    所以就是这样。

    I’m shocked at how bad and insane you are Tyrion to make such dishonest points in order to defend your Jewish privilege!

    Why be so bad and insane?

    Anyone who says the things you do, is, be definition, bad and insane. And I for one am outraged.

  202. @Lot

    KMac: You believe X because of group evolutionary strategy of societal destruction.

    Lot: You believe X because of personal failures.

    Could you explain why one is ad hominem and the other isn’t?

    Could you learn what 广告人身攻击 is? Neither of those things is 广告人身攻击.

    Instead, we have Lot accusing KMac of saying something nowhere close to anything he has ever said, followed by Lot saying something else completely asinine. Great job, pal!

  203. AaronB 说:

    As for whether I agree with Mcdonald, I largely regard evolutionary biology as incoherent – the mechanism is clearly cultural.

    So I don’t think Jews have genetically evolved to act this way, but are subjected to an extraordinarily powerful system of cultural conditioning, which I am personally acquainted with, to act this way, and that ultimately derives from Judaism, but that may be moderated as historically has happened with other groups with similar ideas.

    There is every chance Jews will moderate their aggressive hostility and mellow out a bit after the collapse of their current regime, much like the Japanese, the Germans, or the Muslims did after an aggressively hostile phase. Aggressive phases alternate with mellow phases.

    However, Judaism will always contain within itself the seed of hostile aggression to outsiders – but if history is any guide, it may well lay dormant for long periods.

    And individual Jews are not generically fated to anything.

    • 回复: @DDM
  204. Tyrion 2 说:
    @AaronB

    Similarly, since human groups are known to occasionally act in extraordinarily selfish and ethnocentric ways to advance themselves, when we see white people in the world gain wealth and power far beyond what their IQ can explain, and dominate all movements that weaken local culture and elevate their own status, it’s perfectly reasonable to investigate whether this is yet another example of human groups advancing themselves at the expense of other groups

    Yes, this is exactly how SJWs establish ‘white privilege’, ‘institutional racism’ and an ideology that results in the open and boastful discrimination against white men by all major instutions in Western countries.

  205. @AaronB

    That’s all very impressive stream of consciousness, but what do you think about my simple idea that in principle, Jewish group behavior can exhibit features similar to Spanish group behavior in the Americas, or English group behavior in India?

    These “Spanish” and “English” groups included a large percentage of Jews (in the case of the “Spanish”) and were engaged in empire-building (in both cases) largely due to Jewish actions and interests.

  206. Geremiah 说:

    I am less interested in the content of the back-and-forth of the Cofnas/MacDonald exchange than in the scientistic approach they both share.
    As a positivist, Cofnas ostentatiously wields Occam’s razor. I don’t see how parsimony is better than Einstein’s rejection of it in his famous observation than an explanation should be as simple as possible but not simpler. Whether C of C is adequately parsimonious or not, the book includes a richness of valuable detail that a rigidly parsimonious account would leave out. I don’t know whether the greater emphasis on parsimony as opposed to comprehensiveness that I take to be chracteristic of contemporary positivism is necessary to positivism itself or a historical accident, due to its energence in opposition to Christian accounts that required divine agency. As MacDonald’s evolutionary theory never adverts to supernatural forces or any other extraneous elements, it seems to me that Cofnas’s objections on this ground are inapposite.
    MacDonald advances his work as the description of an evolutionary strategy, either actually or apparently invoking a Darwinian naturalism. It is hard for me to square such a conception with moral critique. Criticism of Jews under Darwinian metaphysics seems no more appropriate than the disapproval of the animals in a documentary featuring lions, hyenas, and wildebeests. Like other “social scientists,” Macdonald strains to force a completely detached perspective onto a topic to which it doesn’t apply, namely the fate of his people. We do not deal here with the issue of whether a particular enzyme promotes or inhibits the growth of the slime mold. The attempt to affect the detachment appropriate to that issue to the topic of this exchange does worse than dictate a strained antirhetoric. Scientism has done more to damage the white race than Jews ever could, by demoralizing it in both senses of that word. Scientism has cast the West and the white race adrift in a metaphysics of random meaninglessness, light years away from a port of call.

    • 回复: @Neil Templeton
  207. AaronB 说:

    Indeed – and which ethnic group is at the forefront of such efforts?

    It’s no secret that McDonald is merely turning the weapon against its inventor. It’s the law of irony and unintended consequences.If you unleash a weapon into the world, prepare for it to eventually be used against you. SJWs are only wrong insofar as they make racism the exclusive domain of whites – that’s weaponizing racism. Mcdonald is weaponizing it back – Jews are the primary purveyors of racism.

    SJWs may be wrong, but no one suggests its ridiculous to discuss whether whites are uniquely racist. McDonald may be wrong, but the idea that Jews are today the primary purveyors of racism is slowly becoming a legitimate topic for discussion. When it becomes accepted that all groups are to some extent racist, maybe we can have more rational policy of limited multiculturalism. But an essential part of this process is McDonald’s fighting the Jewish weaponizing of racism against whites by catching the grenade and throwing it right back.

    If you truly were opposed to SJWs as you claim, you’d understand McDonald is an essential part of the process of fighting them – if you’re only interested in maintaining your tribes privilege, then I can see why you’d oppose McDonald. Anyone capable of thinking beyond tribal self interest and seeing the larger picture would find it unobjectionable that his tribe is accused of being as racist as anyone – only by desiring to weaponize racism against others would there be the least objection.

    Your agonized “concern” over SJWs is not sounding overly sincere.

  208. @Geremiah

    False. The West and the western European race have not been cast light years away from a port of call. Honest scientific investigation of individual and collective behaviors would treat each individual and collective in a dispassionate, objective manner. Instead, we now observe a community of investigators that not only ignores the potential and very interesting question that a minority group may implement strategies to its own benefit and possible detriment of the host group, but the community also actively discourages such investigation, using arguments that such investigation is pernicious, previously discredited, and counters the primary objectives of social research.

    A primary point of the “discredited” research is to call attention to a rebuttable presumption that the very characteristics, strategies, and beliefs that have worked well for many European tribes heretofore, especially the pioneer tribes, may be mortally compromised by a collective strategy that works to offset the strengths of the former. For instance, pioneer peoples tend to be generous and inclusive, strategies that work well in an inhospitable, lightly populated environment where every active hand is welcomed. Not so much when their predisposal to open acceptance is turned on them in the form of a moral mandate to welcome large numbers of strangers, many who are hostile to the natives, into their land.

    Another example. Pioneer types are accustomed to judge a man or an idea on its merits, using all available information, and without unsolicited advice from a self-selected moral authority. In modern America this logic has been replaced by institutional vetting of the merit of men and ideas by the clerisy. This change has been implemented at all levels, from lengthy applications required for entry level employment, to the relentless request for credentials and moral purity required for personal or ideological advance in received society. The demand for moral and ideological purity is largely artificial, meaningless, and almost certainly inefficient. Its primary function appears to be that it serves as an entry barrier to those who are not concerned with the agenda of the clerisy. The free transfer of information that is so vital to pioneer societies has been replaced by rigorous censorship, so that only “useful” information is available.

    Perhaps this only marks the steady and inevitable progress of human society from the pioneer to the decadent. Perhaps not.

    • 同意: Vojkan
  209. Vojkan 说:
    @Vinteuil

    Among others Zino Franceschati, Anne-Sophie Mutter, Patrice Fontanarosa (though his wife is Jewish), the pupil of the latter Nemanja Radulović. I love David Oistrakh though.
    You’ll note that all the violinists you cite are famous for their interpretations of works by goyim, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, with Mendelsohn being an exception.
    Studying classical music demands resources. For violin, it demands at least an instrument that doesn’t sound like a cat you’re skinning and those don’t come cheap. For the piano, it was even worse before Yamaha began to make cheap digital instruments that wheren’t yet anywhere close to how a grand plays. Roland has recently made some good instruments, I owe one, and though still cheeper than a good upright, one still has to have good revenue to afford it. As for second hand acoustic pianos, they tend to go out of tune in the high pitch, and an out of tune piano isn’t exactly the best tool for a kid to become a virtuoso. Then there’s the education. A good teacher doesn’t come cheap either.
    All in all, learning classical music demands much more resources than learning the axe. Nevertheless, I am grateful to Jewish interpreters for bringing to life the works of the great goyim masters of music.

  210. Mishra 说:
    @Max Denken

    A minor (though prolix) masterpiece of concern trolling mixed with guilt-by-association. I salute you with my finest (though unpracticed) Roman gesture.

  211. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Nathan Cofnas

    麦克唐纳教授给 Nathan Cofnas 的第二次回复:

    抽象
    内森·科夫纳斯(Nathan Cofnas)回应了我对他在我的书《批判文化》中的人性文章的回复。 这些是我对他的回复的评论。 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324164802_SECOND_REPLY_TO_NATHAN_COFNAS

    FYI, Mr. Cofnas:

    Cofnas 和 Gelman 都一直强调地理是哈佛、耶鲁等大学中犹太人比例过高的主要解释之一。

    但他们似乎没有考虑到,Haredi 社区几乎完全位于东北部,目前他们约占美国犹太人口总数的 10%,因此他们约占东北部犹太人的 20%人口。
    [...]
    Since Haredi Jews mostly don’t attend regular universities and pursue religious rather than intellectual/scientific studies, even though they are mostly based in “major urban centers”, at least 10% of the Jewish community, in the northeastern United States and in the United Kingdom likely closer to 20%, would not apply to elite universities, which makes the Jewish overrepresentation at the Ivy League, etc. even starker than Mr. Unz documented

    https://www.unz.com/article/judaism-as-a-group-evolutionary-strategy/#comment-2263615

    凯文麦克唐纳
    @TOOEdit

    我对 Nathan Cofnas 的第二次回复。 警告:这是漫长而乏味的,但我认为有必要。

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  212. DDM 说:
    @Lot

    Lot says a lot not to have even read MacDonald’s work.

  213. DDM 说:
    @Svigor

    If Orthodox Jews have high IQs, they very skillfully hide it.

  214. DDM 说:
    @AaronB

    Evolutionary PSYSCHOLOGY, Aaron, not evolutionary biology!

  215. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    Opinion/Letters
    Jewish Organizations Had a Role in 1965 Act
    Family-based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s.

    10 年 2018 月 11 日美国东部时间上午 29:XNUMX
    12评论

    亚伯拉罕·米勒(Abraham Miller)驳斥了我关于犹太组织在美国移民政策中的影响力不成比例的论点,他没有面对我在 1998 年出版的《批判的文化》一书中收集的数据,该书还描述了对 1965 年通过至关重要的种族问题的学术态度的变化移民法(“夏洛茨维尔口号背后的理论”,专栏,3 月 1924 日)。 国会中的限制主义者和反限制主义者都完全理解,尽管公众支持很少,但犹太组织带头反对 1924 年法律的民族起源。 犹太组织还组织、资助和执行了旨在打击 1965 年法律的各种伞式组织的大部分工作。 因此,40 年的改革不是民众压力的结果,而是 XNUMX 年激进主义计划的结果。

    Rep. Michael Feighan did indeed shape family based immigration in the 1965 law. But family based, rather than skills-based immigration, had been advocated by Jewish organizations since at least the 1920s. Feighan would be horrified at the results given his long record of support for the 1924 law (see NPR.org: “In 1965 A Conservative Tried to Keep America White. His Plan Backfired”). He may well have been deceived by the 1965 reform’s proponents, who insisted it wouldn’t change the ethnic balance of the U.S. by dramatically increasing non-European immigration.

    Far from being unusual, my view of the role of Jewish organizations is shared by, e.g., University of California, Santa Barbara historian Otis Graham and Vanderbilt University historian Hugh Davis Graham.

    Em. Prof. Kevin MacDonald

    Calif. State University, Long Beach

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/jewish-organizations-had-a-role-in-1965-act-1523374146

    内森·科夫纳斯(Nathan Cofnas)
    ‏@nathancofnas

    Nathan Cofnas Retweeted Kevin MacDonald

    Attention establishment people: Weak refutations of Kevin MacDonald are worse than nothing. No more, please.

  216. Anonymous [AKA "Shuja Pasha"] 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Nonsense. Zoroastrians weren’t wiped out in Iran, they simply en-mass converted to Islam on their own free will. Zoroastrians in India were already existing before Islam arrived in Iran.

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