I am going to assume that most readers of The Occidental Observer are familiar with the official story of Anne Frank, the young Jewish girl (aged 13–15) who kept a diary while hiding in a house from Jew-hunting “Nazis” in the Netherlands during World War II. In searching the TOO site for “Anne Frank,” I found no hits, but the Anne Frank story is almost as prevalent and persistent as the holocaust story itself, and surely TOO readers know the basics.
Publisher Clemens & Blair has just released a new book focused on the fraudulence of The Diary of Anne Frank. A number of other works examining the fraudulent Anne Frank diary have been published over the course of many years, most famously “Is the diary of Anne Frank Genuine?,” an article in English in 1982 by Robert Faurisson. But this new book surpasses the old ones in many ways.
Author of the current work, Ikuo Suzuki, a Japanese researcher, reviews a number of these earlier analyses of the diary in his new book, as does editor Thomas Dalton in his Foreword. As assistant editor, I do the same in my Introduction. (Disclaimer: I have a partial financial interest in this book.)
From there, Mr. Suzuki explores new analyses of the diary, including an illuminating graphic depiction of the many changes among the many various publications of the diary over the span of decades. So numerous and detailed are the diary’s entries over 26 months that logical inconsistencies and physical and logistical impossibilities inevitably occur; Suzuki identifies many new ones. He calls some of this “Anne magic,” and indeed only a magical explanation can reconcile some of the diary’s many internal flaws and self-contradictions.
Suzuki’s book is arranged into five main chapters, each having four to nine sections. As an example of inconsistency among various published versions of the diary, Chapter 1 is titled “Absurdity on the Surface,” and one section is titled “The Translation of ‘Cat’ Into ‘Tarantula’.” This Chapter displays pictures and drawings of the “Annex” in which Anne Frank supposedly hid out with seven other Jews, along with examinations of physical and architectural impossibilities.
Suzuki goes on to explore “Absurdities Lurking in the Depths” in Chapter 2, closing with the section “Was Everything a Figment?.” Here we see pictures of diary pages themselves, and careful comparisons among the bewildering number of different versions of the diary published at different times in different languages. Here we find Suzuki’s unique graphic display of the many changes among the versions. For example, Anne Frank is said to have edited her own diaries at a later point in her time in the “hideout.” Edited is not the proper term when we see that one early entry in her Diary as presented in the English publish version is actually a combination of two entries more than a month apart from the original diaries.
Chapter 3, “Annie Ample: A Soft-Core Porn Romantic Life?,” examines the core drama at the heart of the diary: the love (or lust) affair Anne supposedly had with a Jewish boy from another family also confined in the “hideout.” One of the great revelations that Suzuki presents is just how grotesque and sexually perverse the diary truly is, raising doubts on its own whether a young girl could even think such thoughts, much less write them down.
I’ll say here that, in my Postscript, I present the content of five missing pages of the diary that supposedly were found in 1998, and then two more “uncovered” in 2018. The five pages contain a scathing denunciation of Anne’s mother Edith and an oblique critique of her father Otto, but the two “uncovered” pages contain “perhaps the filthiest pornographic smut of the entire diary.” (I will spare readers the details here, though the book will not.)
Chapter 4 explores Anne’s writing career (or lack of it), the “infamous bookshelf door,” and the story of the beginning and end of the “hideout” (which is the chapter title). More pictures of documents and infrastructure assist the inquiry. This chapter engages in a staple of Diary doubters—handwriting analysis, and clarifies some former confusion. A letter Anne Frank supposedly sent in 1940—before the “hideout”—to a pen pal in the US was found, and when its handwriting is compared to the handwriting of the Diary, even an amateur analyst can see the two are different. It also debunks the absurd story—or stories—of how the diaries were finally found after the “hideout” inhabitants were hauled away by the Gestapo.
Chapter 5, “The Diary Unmasked,” explores the core issue of The Diary of Anne Frank, one that all revisionists have addressed: who really wrote the diary? Many speculate that Anne’s father Otto Frank was the actual author all along, but Suzuki excludes Otto as lacking the character, ability and motivation to forge the diary. He says: “there was at least one person in Otto’s vicinity who definitely possessed those qualities.” Suzuki’s in-depth profile and examination of this one person—Jewish playwright and journalist Meyer Levin—I found compelling. For instance, Levin’s relationship with Otto Frank included Frank appointing Levin his copyright agent in 1952. Levin’s history involved him working in the “Office of War Information” in the US, producing propaganda movies. Thus Levin had the presence and ability to invent the Diary as on-going war propaganda.
Mr. Suzuki closes with a touching Afterword he calls “Annelies Next to You,” in which the focus of our outrage is inverted from the evil “Nazis” to those who would fabricate lies in Anne’s name. This is a virtue of this book; Suzuki never blames Anne for the fraud, but rather points the finger at other Jews. “Not a single word in (the diary) contains her truth. It is merely a prison for Annelies’ soul, covered by a thick wall of falsehood in the name of a legend.” Our compassion should be for the real Annelies (her full name) Frank who has been so brutally used and misrepresented to promote a Jewish victim/”Nazi” perpetrator agenda.
The book closes with my Postscript, where, as stated, the five “missing” and two “uncovered” pages bring us up to date on diary developments. Unfortunately, Revisionists can also generate myths to their discredit, and one of these is the “ball-point pen” story. Hopefully I put to rest the claim that the diary is a fraud merely because it was written in ball-point pen, which was not invented until 1950. (Only two attached notes were written in pen, but nothing in the diary text itself.) The Postscript is framed as “Re-Rebutting the Anne Frank House,” which is the lavishly funded and well-organized foundation administering the “hideout” building itself as a museum, curating the diaries themselves (though not all are displayed), and issuing the on-going education about the iconic Jewish victim of “Nazi” tyranny, Anne Frank. I believe that just about the only point on which the Anne Frank House is correct regarding the diary is its position on the ball point pen issue. Everything else is tendentious and misleading propaganda, or outright deception.
In the words of main author Suzuki: “All other textual information, even the testimonies of friends and relations, is too biased and too fraudulent to be believed.” As he carefully demonstrates, there is so little truth to the diary itself that one can hardly accept any of it as valid.
This is one of those books that in parts of a couple sections presents such exhaustive detail as to make reading tedious, while at the same time my fascination with the revelations drew me onward. Suzuki could not completely resist the temptation to depart from a strict scholarly tone and lapse into humor—but neither could Dalton or I. I suppose this has to be accepted in such revisionist material, as we see all over certain “free speech” social media platforms. The lapses are rare and brief however, and the depth and scope of scholarship prevail. If I have any final critique of Unmasking Anne Frank, it is that it treated the perpetrators of the hoax too lightly, failing to express the appropriate loathing and contempt and even criminal accusations they deserve. Suzuki’s compassion is for Annelies, who was so cruelly used by these criminal fraudsters, but he expresses not enough outrage at those who exploited her posterity. We are all victims of the fraud as well.
Unmasking Anne Frank by Ikuo Suzuki, including the excellent Foreword by editor Thomas Dalton and Introduction and Postscript by myself, achieves the difficult task of summarizing and updating previous diary revision, while presenting new crucial insights. The end effect is to drive a dagger of certainty into the bleeding heart of Diary pathos. Suzuki’s detailed biographical analysis of the person he concludes actually wrote the diary—Meyer Levin—is the climax of a book filled with stunning insights. This book has much to consider for those new to Diary doubt, and much more to ponder for those already familiar with Anne Frank revisionism. Unmasking Anne Frank is, without doubt, the best such revisionist text ever produced; it is not only a great contribution to diary revision, it may be a culmination.
You can say what you will about Anne Franks and it may be true, false, debatable. What is certain is that Anne was born, was a real person, lived. She died at the hands of the Nazis, fact. Is there more to be said? RIP Anne and all other victims of the Nazis.
Others have pointed to Levin because Otto had sued (and lost) claiming he (Otto) had written most of the script of the movie, not Levin. Several years ago, the Bundeskriminalamt (Federal Criminal Office, Germany’s version of the FBI), completed a careful analysis of the original manuscript. They had used UV light, microscopes, and had a hand writing analyst. Their conclusion was that large sections could not have been written before 1950 or 51. Whether that only relates to the “ballpoint pen” parts, is unclear. I suggest that if the Bundeskriminalamt, in a country where sending octa and nonagenarians to prison for “denying the Holocaust” is strictly enforced, concluded it was a fake, this new book, pointing out the internal flaws of the text, is icing on the cake.
Anne Frank’s family was involved in “black marketeering” and was not the “innocent jewish family” hiding out from German troops. In fact, they made loads of shekels supplying the market with stolen and purloined goods, counterfeit ration stamps and books, and the like…typical jewish behavior.
Anne Frank’s “diary” is a fraud, portions of it being written with a ball-point pen, not invented till well after the conclusion of WW2.
Otto Frank swindled the co-writer and publisher out of his deserved shekels for getting the book out in print…more typical jewish behavior.
Anne Frank died of typhus, while her relatives who were also interned lived out their lives well after WW2. In fact, Otto Frank was treated at the Auschwitz hospital where he survived the war and was able to keep the Anne Frank swindle and fraud alive.
Post-war, Otto Frank’s lawyer was the notorious forger and document thief, Robert Kempner. Frank and Kempner took part in a Dutch prosecution against former German officers and used the ‘diary’ in court as evidence. At the time of the case, newspapers referred to Kempner as Frank’s ‘American’ lawyer, completely hiding the fact that Kempner was a German Jew and former senior prosecutor in pre-Nazi Berlin.
Robert Kempner had his mitts all over the dubious ‘Wannsee Protocol’ so who’s to say he didn’t have a hand in producing Anne Frank’s diary?…He certainly exploited it.
bro she died of typhus… the nazis actually treated her..
Fuck Anne Frank. So tired of hearing about this ugly gangly Jewish girl.
Why is it always Anne Frank? I believe 25,000 – 50,000 german civilians were killed during the Destruction of Dresden. A quarter of those were little german girls. Tens of thousands of little german girls BURNT ALIVE.
Dresden was only one out of about 15 german cities utterly obliterated by firebombing.
How many of those little german girls had diaries??? What are their stories?
I resent our children being forced to read this complete SHIT in high school.
Same with that other fucking fraud Elie Wiesel (winner of a Nobel Peace Prize) and his filthy, foul, “guiser of blood”, huckster of a book, “Night”.
I shit on all of them. Damn them all to hell. Who the hell do these people think they are?
https://forward.com/news/218743/claims-conference-to-repay-germany-57m-for-fraud/
So tired of all their fucking LIES…..every fucking one of them is a damn liar:
https://codoh.com/library/document/holohoax-tales-making-sausages-dead-jews/en/
Anne Frank regardless of whatever her family did died in a Nazi camp. If there had been no Nazis she would not have died. Nothing can excuse their responsibility for millions of dead people.
Let’s turn your statement around to reflect the REAL truth of the situation…
If German jews had not attempted to impose their disruption of German civil society, communism, banksterism and jewish decadence, there would have been no war or camps.
By the way, the actual number of deaths of those in the “camps” was approximately 271,000, NOT “6,000,000”…
But the jews milked this for all they could. I was in school in the 50’s and a lot of people, that is all they talked about.
One more reason not to make a fraud in her name.
Also, if there had been no communists, there would have been no nazis, so….
Every lie ever told contains an unspoken li-bel. The most commonly defamed-by-lies entity is God himself, but in this case it is Germans, Dutch and gentiles in general.
Good to spot the lies, doubly so to spot the libels.
“What Did Anne Frank Have Against Americans?” https://www.dcdave.com/article5/150811.htm
I believe Anne Frank survived the war. I know this is an unpopular statement. The Dutch were ruthless in hunting out collaborators after liberation. Yet, the cannot find out who betrayed her. Secondly, the Frank family were troublemakers. Hiding from the Nazis made you a troublemaker. Troublemakers were shot immediately.
Otto Frank was an international businessman. He had friends everywhere. Maybe some diplomat provided a passport. I do not know where she went or who she became. All involved in this have passed on keeping the secret.
So, we must print the legend, not the truth.
i posted about this months ago- no one believed me…oh- but if unz says it- then it must be true.
Interesting article and book. Another fiction in the web of lies spun by the victorious allies and accepted by the prone Germans. I’m amazed that the allies were so able to destroy the German psyche with this fake horror porn. But I guess if your country is destroyed and occupied, women being raped from age 8 thru 80, men being starved and beaten, the survivors will be either the type that plots to one day take revenge, or to accept whatever their master tells them. The Germans made their choice and those who continue to push this fiction think it worked so well it will work easily on the world. Somehow, I don’t think so.
Many girls named Anne died in one night of Allied bombing of civilian areas. Anne Frank was spared being blown to bits or burned alive by phosphorus.
That was after the movie was released. My old man thought the movie was a comedy.
Compare AnnFrank to a cultured German girl the same age. No comparison. The Franks were parasites wherever they went. That German girl was a whole different kind of human being.
Fascinating–and stimulating–article. Thank you for providing this critical reexamination of one of the most powerful (and politicized) myths in the modern world.
I must concede that I never read Ann Frank’s ‘diary’ or sat through the movie. Apparently (according to all the usual ‘experts’) this ‘diary of a young girl’ is like no other. True?
“Powerful.” “Stirring.” “Tragic.” “An unforgettable testament.” “Uplifting.” “A remarkable literary achievement.” And on and on and on. This ‘diary’ has allegedly been translated into dozens of languages. (Dozens?) Wow. (Then again, who dominates the global publishing industry?)
But is this ‘diary’ really so magnificent?–or could it be that it is lauded and praised because of its priceless propaganda value?
What if this ‘diary of a young girl’ had been written by a Chinese girl in Nanking during the cruel Japanese occupation there in 1937?
And what if the innocent Chinese girl later died in a hospital under Japanese administration?
Would we be discussing this ‘heart-wrenching’ story today?
I don’t believe so.
Ann Frank–the exalted memory and its meaning–is a political tool and weapon.
Ann Frank is a cooked-up metaphor for Jewish innocence and (undeserved and unimaginable) Jewish suffering. That is its primary purpose.
Just as Hitler (anti-Semite) is the worst person who ever lived, Ann Frank is the sweetest and most innocent one. These two manufactured, self-serving myths shore up the Zionist narrative. Ann Frank is a critical part of the kosher attack on gentile sensitivities and White self-identity that kicked into high gear following WWII and the establishment of Israel in 1948.
The elevated meaning of Ann Frank is simply another dose of Israeli Shock and Awe on the American Mind. That’s my suspicion.
Thank you, Ikuo Suzuki. Thank you, Thomas Dalton.
A hilarious joke by Robin Williams on the Tonight Show. He motioned that he was pretending to rap on the ceiling with a broom and yelled, “Hold it down Anne Frank!” Johnny cracked up as did the audience.
It is laughable to observe many well-meaning people spout the old propaganda canard: Nazi=bad-Communist=good.
The “American History Channel” in the USA should be renamed the “American Hitler Channel” for all the falsehoods and propaganda that it portrays and disseminates about WW2, Germany and Adolf Hitler to this day.
According to propaganda programs on the “American History Channel”, Hitler was a drug addict, impotent, riddled with syphilis and other STDs, yet possessed highly technical “superweapons”, possessed “alien technology”, advanced flight and anti-gravity technologies, and still could not “win” WW2.
Anyone with an open mind who watches the Hitler lies and fabrications on that channel can easily see that it is all BS, especially when the so-called “holocaust™” is inserted into just about all of these programming “gems”. The same old photos of emaciated typhus victim bodies are constantly being paraded around to remind “us” how evil Hitler truly was. (Yeah, right).
Germany was much more advanced than even the USA of the time, hence “Operation Paperclip” commenced in which the USA snatched up Germany’s greatest scientific minds after the summation of WW2.
Looking at the big picture (which is usually ignored), the “German state” was attacked by the rest of the world, and held on to its principles for far longer than expected.
Hitler’s greatest “sin” was the monetization of labor (giving labor true “value”) and going against the Rothschild banks. Going against the jew-run banks made him “enemy #1”.
He also KNEW that there was a subset of Bolshevik jews who were fomenting communist revolution within Germany. Most people are unaware of the secret agreements that he had with the zionists to “encourage” jewish emigration to what was then known as Palestine. These agreements were celebrated by both the German government and the zionists at the time. A commemorative coin was even issued to celebrate the agreement. THAT aspect of history is never mentioned on the “American Hitler Channel”.
When it comes to WW2, Germany, and even the Allies, the “American History Channel” is 99% propaganda and 1% truth.
If those of “the greatest generation” could see the world of today and what it has become, being jew-controlled, they would have thrown off their American uniforms and fought on the side of the Germans…
It is interesting to note (and a good thing) that Asian cultures have much less animus (if any) against Germany, Hitler, the Third Reich and other still-marginalized truths in the western world.
This is a good thing, as it is an aberration bordering on mental illness to hate a culture which has been demonized based on lies, fabrications, and outright falsehoods.
Asians are much healthier in this respect…
Now, let’s hope that they are more “aware” about today’s nefarious element that exists and thrives in western societies.
Your kippah is showing.
Nick gets the first reply, and blows it completely. “Everybody knows” the Germans planned to murder all the Jews, yet it took them years to find Anne Frank. And did they kill her? Nick would have us believe she “died at the hands of the [Jewish racist slur]”, but the simple answer is no, the Germans didn’t kill her. The “Holocaust” is not as it would seem.
Mr Suzuki is doing Japan a big favour by stemming the tsunami of propaganda aimed directly at young minds. Watch out, here comes “israel”.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/anne-frank-books-defaced-tokyo-libraries-israel-offers-replacements-180949929/
They lied, cheated, stole, fabricated, waged wars, provoked others… everything evil and corrupt comes from those people. Everything is a hoax and scam for their own pockets. The snakes rooted in Satan can never be changed, every country that help them, they turned around and destroyed it. The USA is now going down the toilet because of them… When will the whole world wake up and know the truth???!!!
Anne Frank went on to become a famous MK Ultra mind control slave. She went by 2 aliases, Norma Jean Mortonson, and Marilyn Monroe. She was finally killed by the CIA, who pushed hydrogen cyanide gas through the pipes of her shower, killing her nude in her bath tub.
I’m not sure Asians care about anything, political or otherwise, except following directions.
Marilyn Manson more like it.
Possibly, but there is no actual evidence that she died at Belsen. and in fact the story of her death was changed a few years ago … https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/03/31/anne-frank-death-probably-february-1945/70742898/
There may be evidence that she lived. As the British approached the camp for the first time they filmed it, and you can now see the footage on PBS Frontline’s Memory of the Camps. This is a screenshot:
The group of children was known as the ‘diamond children’ as their parents were Jewish diamond merchants from Amsterday. The nurse in the photo took care of them and is Luba Tra… now known as the Angel of Belsen. The girl at the lower left of the photo bears a striking resemblance to Anne Frank, shown below:
The group in the photo returned together with Luba to Amsterdam. They have held reunions. I contacted the Anne Frank center asking them to identify the girl in the photo. They claimed they had no knowledge of it.
In fact, it was Anne’s fellow Jews who betrayed her family and told the Nazis.
@Nick J #7
“If there had been no Nazis she would not have died.”
If there had been no Jews, there would be no “antisemitism.”
BLECHH! SHUT IT DOWN!
Our parents took my brother and me to that museum when we were kids, during a vacation in Amsterdam. I remember a stern atmosphere and the puzzlement about the hideout. You merely needed to touch and move the book cabinet to find that it was iffy. Surely, experienced fanatic Gestapo types in search mode could hardly be expected to fall for such a simple trick. But the hiding behind it was real and so was the poor girl. I now live near Amsterdam and when i am near the House, i always see a long row of tourists. The museum is a well oiled and heavily propagandized machine. This new book underlines this odd Jewish behavior when they have a good thing in their hands: they get arrogant, lay it on too thick and overexploite it, to spoil it in the end. Fill in any example (Wall Street, banking, hedge funds, real estate, education, humanities sciences, Hollywood movies, advertizing and propaganda, lobbying, politics) and you see this same tendency, ultimately turning the undertakings into a mess.
The law suit was Meyer Levin vs Otto Frank Et Al
5 misc. 2d 564 (1957) | SC 2d 5641391
The Et Al was the publisher. Levin’s evidence was the copy of the authentic diary Anne Frank write and the published diary that Levin wrote.
It was obvious that Levin wrote a book of fiction based on the true story of Anne Frank. She and her family did exist. They left Germany for the Netherlands in the mid 1930s after the anti Jewish measures were implemented. The family moved to The Netherlands. They went into hiding after the German conquest. Anne’s family was arrested. She died. Her father survived and moved to New York.
I don’t know if it was a jury or bench trial. Whoever decided, single judge or a jury it was found that Levin wrote the diary that was published. Levin was awarded $50,000 about half a million today.
Was Hunter Biden in tbe bath tub with her?
Prove it.
A parallel that had to be made, Mike, the German girls burned alive in the firebombings. Thank you. From your animated language, it must really touch a nerve with you. It especially hits a nerve for me, because my father‘s WWII job with the Army Air Force in Europe was to brief and debrief bomber pilots. He would never talk about it to me, and it must have terribly wracked him. But what else could he have done during the war? Rest in peace. Anyway, thanks again, this was a point that needed to be made.
It is a fact that a group of German Jewish refugees in Holland spent two years in hiding, in permanent fear of being discovered and sent to be murdered in Auschwitz. A teenager, Anne, wrote a diary dedicated to an imaginary friend, Kitty. After the war, the father published the diary, having edited out the sexual phantasies of her dead daughter. I find it abominable that there are people writing literary criticism of this historic document.
https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/authenticity-diary-anne-frank/
Even if Anne Frank’s diary was genuine, it would not prove a German program of genocide against the Jews.
The fate of Anne Frank is typical of many Jews who died in German camps during the war. Anne and her father were first deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz in September 1944. Anne’s father contracted typhus at Auschwitz and was sent to the camp hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of Jews who remained at Auschwitz when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945. He survived the war and died in Switzerland in 1980.
In the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne Frank was evacuated to Bergen-Belsen, where she died of typhus in March 1945. While Anne Frank’s fate was tragic, her story is not consistent with a German plan of extermination against the Jews. Along with thousands of others at Bergen-Belsen, Anne died from a typhus epidemic and not from a German plan to commit genocide against European Jewry.
Meyer Levin as the true author sounds right.
He mixed fact with fiction in another book, “Compulsion” which was made into an Orson Welles courtroom movie. Levin based it on the infamous Leopold and Loeb case, the most infamous crime of the jazz age. The fact that Levin actually knew the two perpetrators from school allowed him to use his inside knowledge for the story. It was the first “true life novel” and… a really strange book.
So him being involved with the Franks is logical.
Also no surprise the author of the book is Japanese. They tend to be J-wise, and very much simpatico with Germany. Japan gets crap to this day for their actions during the Showa Era. They know the Chinese are straining at the leash to get some “reparations” out of Japan.
Though you are absolutely right in your analysis, I think that languages carry their inheritance almost built-in into them; they instill certain basic qualities in native speakers, and those qualities will come out in the long run. In short, I hope that Germans will emerge some day back with their cultural inheritance.
Couldn’t agree more. Not one positive thing is ever said about Hitler. I wonder (((who))) is producing these “documentaries”?
He’s been indoctrinated with hatred for the Germans. In the small Baltic country I reside in Jewish interests are now doing the same thing they have done everywhere else, indoctrinating everyone with hatred for the evil Germans while presenting themselves as purely innocent and powerless. It appears the bigger their lie, the easier it is to say it. The country I’m in welcomed the German army as liberators from the USSR and young men were formed into a German allied division. To this day many Estonians like the Germans, but not all. I think particularly the younger people have been affected by the Jewish hate propaganda and are unaware or have forgotten what their relatives have told them. They are being taught here that the Germans that helped them were evil (not the Judeo-Bolsheviks that took over their country in 1940). They want to make them ashamed of welcoming their liberators, how they saw the Germans. That is why I saw another full length magazine yesterday dedicated to the war with the title on the Jewish owned magazine (the big publisher Bonnier of Sweden) “German Occupation”, not liberation how the Estonians of the time saw things. They will be crafty and careful as they tell them here that they are anti-Semites responsible for killing innocent Jews, presenting all the Judeo-Bolsheviks as worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize. This has been going on for years in eastern Europe. I think they realize it will take a little longer for their lies to take hold in the strongly anti-commie Baltic countries. But they will take hold eventually, just as they convinced the world of the holohoax.
No, if there had been no war, then no camps for enemy aliens, no starvation, no typhus.
The End.
“Unmasking Anne Frank is, without doubt, the best such revisionist text ever produced; it is not only a great contribution to diary revision, it may be a culmination.”
A very odd fantasy considering the original publication source of this article which in general promotes a theory of minority group niche occupation and cross niche support and promotion.
The minority group in question creates a strong individual identity via family identity, religious identity, cultural identity, identity based both on resistance to discrimination and glorification of superiority and cosmic chosen-ness. Perhaps the strongest identity in the current cultural mix.
Thus the book reviewed can NOT be a culmination, the culmination will be when a member of the minority group becomes the SPOKESPERSON, via authorship generally, of the revisionism. Then another member of the minority group can OPPOSE, and those two talking together will represent the conversation, fulfilling the goal of niche occupation AND group promotion at the same time.
According to the theory, every power center is, for the minority group, an opportunity to fill a niche. Thus, though Ron Paul represents a libertarian power center, he will be relegated to a subservient position because the minorities at the other ideological power centers, Socialism, Capitalism, Communism, Liberalism, want to promote ‘one of their own’, with whom to disagree.
I don’t promote or necessarily agree with the theory, but that’s how I understand it. Thus, according to the theory, we in fact must await the ‘culmination’…
that such a thought would exist would be laughable. The fact that there is no such lascivious, porn-filled, anxious accounts of any Chinese girls underscores the fact that there was no “Nanking Massacre”.
Yeah but if there were no Jews to begin with, we wouldn’t have needed Not Sees.
There is a new Netflix movie released this week named My Best Friend Anne Frank. Just in time for new school year. No doubt it will be required viewing in every classroom
Who would have thought? A ‘chosen’ one spinning a tale of deception to benefit themselves.
Lets just start with all the pedophiles in maxwell’s book and jeff’s videos.
‘I believe Anne Frank survived the war. I know this is an unpopular statement’
And the award for the most offensive (to normies) and random conspiracy theory goes to… The guy who thinks Ann Frank faked her own death. Just like Elvis in a way.
So why doesn’t someone publish that original diary that Levin showed so we can compare?
Anyway they can just move the published book from the “Fact” to “Fiction” shelves in the bookshops.
Henri Charrière, who wrote the best seller “Papillon”, has been accused of appropriating experiences of other convicts as his own in the book, but I don’t think that detracts from the value of the work. Dostoevsky wrote “Notes from The Dead House” as fiction even though it was largely based on factual biographical events. So is it really such a great crime to publish fiction based on fact?
Who is Ikuo Suzuki ? Does he have history credentials ?
Totally agree. And look at how the Jews suppress any performance of “My Name Is Rachel Corrie”.
I am a Lazlo fan. Lazlo is the second soccer team in Rome, but usually more successful. I’m not from there and I don’t follow the team but a good bunch of their fans are ultra right wingers and a few years back they wore Ann Frank tee shirts to mock the powers that be. I’ll always have a warm place in my heart for Lazio. 😍
If there had been no Jews there would not have been Nazis.
If there had been no Nazis she would not have died.
FIFY
Either she was killed by Jews or invented by them. And, of course, she was invented by them.
Jews lie about themselves and about Whites.
They lie about themselves to promote their impossible to believe in Myth Of Innocence that says in effect, We never do anything wrong – ever. Things are done to us by evil Whites (or whoever is an obstacle to their insatiable lust for power. A lust for which their false claims of victimhood are simply a rationalization).
They lie about Whites to promote their Myth Of Evil, which says simply, White Man Bad, in one form or another, over and over again, like the chattering of an idiot, only less interesting. You can even see this in B Westerns from the 50’s (written by Jews, of course) in which good whites defend helpless Indians while bad whites defend themselves (thereby serving as an obstacle to Jewish power).
This is the only way for the powerless to climb to power. It’s what Nietzsche meant by The Slave Revolt In Morality.* But they can only do that if White Man Bad gives them the opportunity, which they did and for a number of reasons worth exploring but not here (the point being the reasons are always more complex than the simple-minded White Man Bad, or White Man Stupid, etc, etc).
*Read Book One, Aphorism 7 to see who he attributes The Slave Revolt In Morality to.
Spoiler Alter: T’aint the Mormons. Of course, the modern day version of the slave revolt in morality is Identity Politics.
But the very success of Identity Politics refutes its claims of Oppressor/Oppressed.
Just as the fact that Jewish Supremacy Inc. has the power to effectuate their insane demands to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally and blindly obeyed (or else), refute their accusation that White Supremacy is the #1 threat to the USA.
How could White Supremacy be a threat when whites have no institutional power or cultural control? Whoever heard of a powerless supremacist?
All of Jewish Supremacy Inc., their Slave Revolt in Morality, Identity Politics and Critical Race Theory rest on a foundation of Magical Thinking. Hence their need to abolish free speech and demand to be placed above criticism, etc.
You might be able to climb to power using magical thinking, but you can not maintain your power in that way. And that is why everything Jewish Supremacy Inc. now controls is in freefall.
And now we’re back to why they need to lie about themselves while lying about whites.
As if that’ll help. The resulting cultural impoverishment is responsible for what we are witnessing now. The collapse of the superstructure of Jewish Supremacy Inc.
There were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz or any of the other German camps. There was also no German program of genocide against the Jews. The 6 million figure of Jews dying during World War is also a major exagerration. These are facts and do not represent a political agenda.
It’s my understanding that the Father was part of a gang of smugglers and black marketeers, and that’s the reason they were laying low from the Police.
One might also suggest that after the gang was betrayed by fellow Jews and the members arrested; the children were taken by CPS ( child protective services ) as it’s called in the states. No idea if this is true, but it appears within the realm of possible
Alphonso D’Amato (senator from New York) was the schmuck that secured billions of dollars in compensation for Jews but when it came to reelect him, Jews voted enmasse for the fellow Jew, Charles Schumer.
And when the congressional districts in New York were redrawn pitting Carolyn Maloney and Jerry Nadler, the Jew Schumer sided with his own fellow tribesmen Jerry.
The conclusion I draw from those instances is that one can’t trust Jews because they’re clearly untrustworthy.
Whereas the vast majority of the Gentiles are honest, the bulk of the Jewry is the complete opposite. Therefore, I do not disbelieve that some Jew perpetrated fraud in the name of Anne Frank for parasitic reasons.
Most overrated thing in Amsterdam
“OK, I lied about that bit, but everything else I said was true so overall I told the truth, I promise, you have to believe me, Scout’s honour.”
Seriously, that reminds me of an editorial signed by historians in the French Le Monde to debunk Robert Faurisson’s claim that gas chambers were technically impossible. In summary, they wrote that “the proof that gas chambers were possible is that they existed.” We can accept as true that Annelies Frank was born and died. What happened in between, she and God know only.
Afaic, I believe nothing in the official history of the holohoax. Especially after having read Elie Wiesel’s memoir All Rivers Run To The Sea. I got a signed copy gifted by Wiesel himself to my mother so I felt obliged to read. Good Lord, did that load of delusional mythomaniac bullshit change my perspective. I learned afterwards that Wiesel’s entourage strongly advised him against publishing it.
Yes, I remember reading of that in the papers at the time. Pretty funny and heartening.
With the current energy shortages shouldn’t we be bringing back that magic Nazis camp technology that allowed them to operate all their ghoulish equipment despite the Soviets cutting off their fuel supply in mid ’44? Did Anne have any reference to that technology? I was forced to read it but it went in ear and out the other almost immediately. The only thing I recall was the Dutch family that housed them didn’t get much credit. Come to think about it neither did the Soviets. Didn’t they lose over 30 million people? Finally Jewish girls start very early, so she could have been a that kinky, which must not have been in my school approved version.
Fuck Ann Frank.
Fifty five MILLION non-jews died in that war so that communist jews could take over half the world.
The Nazis tried to save humanity from the scourge we are dealing with today.
What we are talking about here you Hasbara idiot is THE DIARY which is a fraud like Elie Weasel’s NIGHT and part of the bigger Holohoax fraud.
Anne was in Bergen-Belsen (BB) which was short of food, medical supplies, and heating supplies all disrupted due to continuous Allied bombing. Hence BB had a lot of disease and Anne got typhus (spread by lice) and died in February 1945. Just 2 months later Germany surrendered. A small mind like yours cannot imagine the incredible shortages in everything at that point.
Anne died of disease and was not murdered as you seem to imply Is there more to be said ?
And Fuck Nick J and his fellow Schlomos too !
I am the author of this book.
I apologize for the unnaturalness of the English since it is an automatic translation.
The story about that Levin trial is a widely circulated misconception.
I explain that in our book as well.
At the beginning of my analysis, I could not abandon the hypothesis that Anne also partly kept a diary. Soon, however, that was ruled out.
My conclusion is that Anne herself did not write a single word of the “diary” in question.
The whole thing is the creation of another person.
I assure you of this.
I explain the rationale for this in my book.
It is only my hypothesis that the real author is Levine.
But I hardly think there is any other possibility.
If you are interested, please read the book.
Got any comment on the Red Terror?
Never read it. Don’t care to.
Look, it’s not complicated.
The Jews and the Germans were locked in a global war of annihilation involving many proxies and the Jews simply call their grievous losses in this mutual war of annihilation, the Holocaust. Got it? ‘Twas a war of annihilation.
Anne is still the star of 1 out of 10 covers of Life Magazine. Just last month, her ugly mug was staring out from the checkout counters at my local grocery, AGAIN.
Life Mag has four subjects repeated endlessly on its covers: Anne Fraud, WW2 soldiers, Lincoln, and 1968/Woodstock, the latter invariably billed as “the year/event that Changed Everything.” (Jackie O used to be on this list of cover girls but was mercifully dropped not long after her death.)
It’s 100% jewish horseshit (redundant) and is even more insistent and monomaniacal than Soviet propaganda in the USSR was.
Next time you’re in a U.S. grocery, have a look at the magazine rack and see if I’m mistaken.
When our governments tell us that we face a grave threat from another nation, send troops to its borders or warships near its shores, we must demand they stand down. We must also guard against demonization of other nations and their leaders because they frequently lead to military escalation.
There are twenty three hollowcast museums in the usa . Because it was not the germans that killed – IT WAS THE AMERICANS
If it weren’t for “The Diary of Anne Frank” and “Fiddler on the Roof,” would middle America have any theater at all? In our hinterlands, they are often all that’s on offer.
Ballpoint pens (then called ink pencils in English and Drucktintestifte — printing ink pencils — in German) were used by the aviators of both belligerents (Britain and Germany) from 1940 onwards as a remedy to the problem of pressure change that put fountain pens out of use in the air. They were sold as a stationary replacement item (Ersatz) to the civilian populations. Biro (a Hungarian Jew) is said to have invented them just before WWII broke out and he went to Argentina to make a little fortune making and selling them while prevailing of the patent from 1940 onwards. Actually he had stolen the invention from the German military, which had been developing and refining the product incrementally from an American idea : he had been a military manufacturer for the Wehrmacht just before he fled. During the interval of time 1945-53 they disappeared from Europe and were introduced only as a luxury writing tool in the US, while in Britain they were disliked for being very scrappy as soon as the battle conditions ceased to justify their use as a soon as real ink was made available again in the stationaries. During the war George Orwell complained of the forced used of ink pencils. They became of current usage in Europe only when Baron Bich, having bought the patent from Biro, started making the Bic model for the French market from the early fifties onwards. As a conclusion the fact that some passages of Anne Frank’s little book were written with ball point gives no clear indication about the date they were actually written.
So the truth critiquing this fabricated “diary” is abominable?
How’s the weather in Tel Aviv?
I am sure that your post was written in an IDF Unit 8200 disinformation cubicle.
Your Anne Frank and holocaust narrative is unraveling as we speak. Good.
Shalom…
The Jews are masters of deception and lies.
The motto of the Mossad is “By Way of Deception Shalt Thou Do War.”
At least they openly admit their technique and methodology.
Oy vey! The goyim KNOW.
Did the Nazis make her catch typhus? Anyway, the Germans interned Jews for legitimate reasons during the war.
So is Netflix doing what they usually do, and having Anne Frank played by a black woman? Huh, probably not.
Yes, it is so small as to be ridiculous. No family lived in that house. It is all a sham.
Remember when Justin Bieber went to the Ann Frank House and he signed the Guest Book: “Hopefully she would have been a belieber.”
One of his fans. 😂
The howls of outrage were that of someone spitting on the Shroud of Turin. He was a kid himself. No big deal.
So, I am starting to see this link of how blacks and Jews are treated as holy objects- beyond reproach, untouchable, magical.
There can be no sacred cows. It has lead up to malevolent insanity. I have negro AND jew fatigue because I started paying close attention and I understand why we say…
Every time…..every time…..it’s a jew.
thanks for informative contribution
muh nartzis!
For a horse shoe nail…
No, but Joe sniffed her hair for lice.
“Papillon” and “Notes from The Dead House” aren’t used to bolster extraordinarily costly and destructive myths, so in this case, yes, it IS such a great crime.
The jews declares war in Germany in 1933. Right after Hitler became Chancellor.
The Jew Churchill instigated polish (jews) to kill Germans in the occupied territories. The ‘Poles’ killed 60.000 Germans and about another 60.000 disappeared without trace.
Hitler pleaded numerous times to stop it
Finally he attacked Poland and Churchill started WW2.
Putin started war after the jews/Zelensky killed between 14.000 and 18.000 Russians. His attack leads to WW3.
You can’t blame neither Putin nor Hitler to protect his people.
Every blog has children like “Nick J” that defecate in the punch bowl, just to watch people scream.
The children want to be noticed. Don’t give them what they crave. Ignore them.
Not this time, and not the least bit surprising
The Allies did this by teaching Germans to use the holo-hoax for virtue signaling. Today, most Germans militantly defend the holo-hoax myth. It’s a form of wokery. Germans imprison any German who questions Jewish lies.
By agreeing that Germany was supremely evil, Germans today are supremely good — i.e. Germany is morally superior to every nation except Israel. This is virtue signaling.
Equally amazing is how the USA convinced Germany to boycott cheap Russian energy, and thereby commit suicide-by-hunger-strike.
Not only Jews, but everyone who champions the Judeo-Western Empire.
All empires enforce a narrative that includes some equivalent to the holo-hoax. For example, the Roman Empire’s narrative included the myth that Carthaginians tossed six million children into bonfires as sacrifices to Satan (Baal).
To be part of an empire, you must pay it tribute, worship its leaders, and fight its wars, but most of all you must enforce the empire’s narrative. A central part of the Judeo-Western Empire’s narrative is the holo-hoax.
Your nation can go full anal, full feminist, full LGBTQ, and full neoliberal, and it can fight the Western Empire’s wars, but it always remains on the Judeo-Western target list unless your government also worships Israel, and builds holo-hoax memorials.
It’s all about mind control. All human wars are ultimately fought for control of the mass mind. You may conquer a nation, but to truly enslave its people. you must seduce a critical mass of them into believing your narrative.
This review gains some credibility with this remark, for generally the technique of true Deniers is mindless acceptance of whatever baloney is presented.
Disclaimer: I’ve never read the Diary, and don’t intend to do so. But I’ve casually followed the authenticity debate for a number of years, and upon seeing this post made a brief search for information about this book. The results were very thin, so I fell back on looking for older articles questioning the Anne Frank story.
“I certainly have the subjects in my mind”: the diary of Anne Frank as bildungsroman
https://opus.uleth.ca/bitstream/handle/10133/3613/ODonnell_CJNS_32-2_pp_49-88-libre.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
There aren’t really any “good guys” on either side of this dispute. The Holocaust Deniers aren’t noted for either their brilliance nor their honesty, while the Holocaust Industry has been utterly ruthless in squashing any resistance to the Official Story. Witness the growing number of laws the Industry has managed to get enacted to criminalize any deviations from their Official Story!
The link tells of the many, many hands modifying the Anne Frank Diary in the best of circumstances. Given the creation and later growth of the Holocaust Industry I have no trouble with believing in the employment of a talented “ghostwriter” who took a bare-bones diary of a dead girl and turned it into a literary jewel.
My cynicism is partly based on experience. Once I bought a little book titled “Last Letters From Stalingrad” which contained heartbreaking last messages to parents, friends, and wives. When I learned it was a talented fabrication was when I also learned to be very, very cautious.
The girl in the photo looks too small & young to be Frank at 15.
“The guy who thinks Ann Frank faked her own death”
Nowhere in FT’s post did he say what you said he did. It was entirely possible for her father or another person did, or that she was swept up in the aftermath of a very large war, ending up as a plaything for the soviets, or in some other country as a refugee.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/anne-frank-books-defaced-tokyo-libraries-israel-offers-replacements-180949929/
Good to know that even the Japanese are aware about these fraudsters.
Similarly, my dad served in the U.S. Army Air Corps. He was a waist gunner, stationed in East Anglia and flying daytime bombing runs over Germany. He never, ever spoke of it other than to tell an occasional funny story of his fellow servicemen — city boys vs. country boys, Northerners vs. Southerners, etc. The only time I ever heard him mention the nuts and bolts of combat was once when we were watching some sort of WWII documentary on TV. While black-and-white footage of a bombing run was shown, my dad said in a low, sad voice, “We bombed the hell out of those Germans.” He had grown up in Chicago, the son of Swedish immigrants, and his best friends were the sons of German immigrants.
Meyer Levin was a very popular and prolific author of best selling fiction mid 20th century.
One of his best books is Compulsion based on the infamous murder of 13 year old Bobby Frank. There are also non fiction books about the Bobby Frank murder. But the distinction is clear.
Gone With the Wind and Cold Mountain are two fiction books and movies about the Civil War. But the characters and events in both books were real people and the events did happen. For instance Scarlett and her sawmill are Margaret Mitchell’s grandmother.
Cold Mountain the main male character didn’t make it back home to his fiancée. He was murderer on his way home after the Confederate surrender. By a county militia patrol looking for deserters. Took a while for news of the surrender to reach all the deserter patrols and many newly released confederate soldiers were arrested and killed by local confederate militia.
The authors and publishers of Compulsion , Cold Mountain and Gone With The Wind truthfully presented the books as fiction based on true events and the experiences of real persons.
The author, Otto Frank publisher and propagandists of Diary of Anne Frank created a work of fiction based on a real person’s experience.
But they Frank the publisher and propagandists claimed the fiction was total truth. And perpetuated a massive 75 year fraud.
That’s the difference. It was also fraud.
Yes, that’s my understanding too: Otto Frank kept quite busy in Amsterdam dealing in black market goods, some of which were routinely sold to the occupiers. (Was it sugar or molasses or jam? I forget.) Similarly, the Franks originally fled to Holland to escape embezzlement or fraud charges related to the running of their small banking firm, Frank & Sons. They got word that German financial regulators were about to pounce, so they fled.
Literary fraud, is that like fiction?
Admittedly, while the Western world is obsessed with truth or so called reality, which most often is either ugly, or boring, the Jews know how to expand their imagination and use it to their advantage to promote their vision and interests.
So what kind of fiction art do we make as Westerners these days, other than violence, sex, dystopian images and portraying imbecility?
The Jew who created this narrative had artistic talent, is it partly perverse? I wonder whether that is true, or the judgement of moralism.
One thing is certain, there will never be a book written about a white Christian teen or Palestinian teen hiding in a house from GlobalHomo/BLM/Antifa/Zionist thugs as they burn loot murder and anally rape and murder kids for the sport of it.
Anne Frank is just another Holocaust fairytale used to brainwash masses into believing the lies perpetuated by a Den of Thieves from Synagogue’s of Satan.
What are the odds that Anne would have been in possession of one?
Klaus Schwab’s daddy was a Nazi. Soros colluded with Nazis. The WEF, NATO and the EU all had former Nazis involved in their development. The Bush family provided the Nazis the means to build death camps as did other elitist families of the time. The people who supported Hitler were the professional class who oriented back and forth between Fascism and Communism. NATO and the US/EU are supporting Nazis in their war against Russia in Ukraine. Anyone who has a Ukraine flag in their social media bio is wittingly or unwittingly supporting Fascism. I have no time for Nazis or Commies. Both are mass murdering scum.
Fine if you believe the diary was not written by Anne at all. It’s very possible. Especially considering that it was mostly about war news instead of personal events.
I didn’t post articles about the Levin vs Frank case. I posted the actual case. And you can read the findings by the judge. The judge found the published book was written by Levin not Anne Frank.
It’s always best to read the actual court case titled under its legal name and court rather than articles about court cases. Findings and found are American legal terms for the judge or jury decision after all the evidence is presented by both sides.
I’ll have to buy your book.
The fact that they attempted to evacuate the prisoners, and not gun them down as being baggage, shows us that the Holocaust narrative is full of absurdities.
I cannot believe her full name is “Annelies.” I wonder why they never use that in the title of the diary??
….Similarly, the Franks originally fled to Holland to escape embezzlement or fraud charges related to the running of their small banking firm, Frank & Sons. They got word that German financial regulators were about to pounce, so they fled……
Interesting –
Don’t hold back. Let it out. Frank is an abbreviation for Frankenstein. Right? Yes obviously. What, missed that in Jew Hating 101? Yes, without the proper Wiener Schnitzel and Sauerkraut diet and Grandma Eva Braun’s recipe book “How I Survived Vegetarianism Table Dictatorship Under our Fuhrer und Mein Slaydolph and Poopkin’s Aryan Wasteland Manufacturing Colossus Freakishly Error Prone Blueprint for Mars.”
It’s difficult to come by, that last. Will the devil really keep his promise now that you’ve sold your soul? Oops. You never had one, sorry.
Agree. And a special round of spoiled bratwurst with bitters for the young geniuses only recently discovering that war propaganda was and remains a huge industry.
I will never comprehend you charlatan hate-mongering piggy went to market poor excuse for swine*. You despise Jews with supreme and ardently articulated virtuosity and panache. Yet you deny the Third Reich mass murder of a race you fervently believe are hyenas worthy of what hyenas are worthy of. Why not take credit? Show some pride in the work of your forbears. A true blue high achieving award winning swine would. Or perhaps, being the very pinnacle of swinehood, not.
* To be continued
Big Lies: Anne Frank’s gas chamber death, the Covid vaccine.
This is news? Everybody who has the slightest inters in WW2 history knows about this fraud.
Are you new here? If so, check the older articles. You’ll quickly learn that Hitler was a peace-loving WHITE genius who was forced into WW2 by the evil Churchill and the aggressive Stalin.
“The origin of the ‘ballpoint myth’“
I was saddened to learn that Ann Frank didn’t actually *invent* the ball point pen. But that’s revisionism for you; you have to rake the good with the bad.
I see the jews are coming out in defense of this holocaust tale in the comments. Even you low level jews are being lied to, when are you going to realize they don’t give a damn about you either?
Everything we’ve been taught is a lie. Get a grip on reality jews, your holocaust is just another lie in the cog of this machine for just another agenda invented to give you parasites a homeland.
My advice is to get there because there will be another pogrom.
This is surely true. The gassing fabrications are a blood libel on Hitler and Germany alike. It is a fact that no historic document has ever been produced that proves that Hitler ordered ‘the destruction’–or planned a genocide–of Europe’s Jews. Quite the contrary. The extended housing and feeding and care of tens of thousands of Jews and others for years during WWII undercuts the idea that Germany possessed a ‘secret conspiracy’ of genocide. After all, why house, feed, transport, and then later ‘gas’ your intended victims when bullets on the spot are quicker, safer (for the perpetrator), and far cheaper?
It is also a fact that decades before Hitler came to power, Jews were publishing accounts of “six million” dead or suffering or endangered Jews. This is irrefutable. These historic documents are all over the internet. Many date from the 19th century! Commie Jews and their lackeys also orchestrated the Holodomor in Ukraine (1931-33), killing millions via starvation. The international communist revolution later murdered or enslaved millions more. These inconvenient facts deserve attention.
After WWII, Germany was in total ruins. Millions of German women and children had been burned to death and murdered via arial bombardment by the Allied forces. The glorious Allies had also incinerated many great Japanese cities, killing vast numbers of Japanese women and children there. Soviet Russia–before and during WWII–had additionally murdered millions of civilians inside its own borders. The scale of this barbarism was unprecedented. Ironically, those who kill the most bring home the grand trophy of military victory and political success. Morality is completely beside the point.
The case can be made that it was the imperial and global powers of Great Britain, US, and the USSR that committed the greatest war crimes in the 20th century. Just count the bodies. This is real history. Hitler never sought war with Great Britain or the US. Like Japan, Germany was forced into fighting a larger war against greater powers.
Trotting out the claim of a vast conspiracy against Jewish innocents (Ann Frank et al) is precisely what the Allied powers (and world Jewry) needed to do in order to deflect attention away from their monumental war crimes. Before WWII, no great cities such as Berlin, Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima (along with their civilian populations) had ever been so totally annihilated during warfare.
These unprecedented, civilian mass murders are–unlike the alleged ‘secret gassings’ at Auschwitz–visible, irrefutable and unprecedented.
Thus the ‘Holocaust’ myth became an orchestrated distraction, a freak show. But it’s mostly fake. It is a blood libel against countless honest and heroic National Socialists of that era–not to mention later generations of innocent (but guilt-ridden) Germans. Enough!
To this day, world Jewry continues to extort money from modern Germany while slowly eradicating the last vestiges of the non-Jewish inhabitants of that region. In their place is the new headquarters of international Jewry. This is bad news for humanity.
I’m aware of those articles. He was certainly White and obviously a brilliant individual in some regards but hardly forced into anything by S and C in my opinion. He didn’t prepare his country properly for Barbarossa for starters, was grossly impulsive and overconfident, and failed to nearly put his Germany on a war footing in time. He ruined his nation as a consequence. They might well have been permanently decommissioned under a Morgenthau plan, but by virtue of pure circumstance the commie and socialist fearing paranoiacs and business empire imperialists of the US and Britain pursued their Cold War against the USSR for which they happily accomadated the Germans. He was a criminal psychopath and maniacal lunatic of some variety with fearsome, near medium-like hypnotic and oratorical power over his understandably bitter and sinisterly cheated and exploited people due to the devious, cruel, inexcusable treaty of Versailles perpetrated by the victorious allies who, in victory, never entered German territory but conquered via blockade and starvation. It was a great disaster which birthed ongoing futile and compounding disasters and barbaric cruelties very profitable to the ever present predatory hyenas of a vast and continuing lurid inferno of “mankind crucified on a cross of iron.” That last in quotes, thanks to a peerless and immortal American of German heritage, President Dwight David Eisenhower of the once great United States of America.
I see the two atom bombs were lamentably insufficient, Monsieur Sue’s Zoo Key, Ikuo San’s asylum rodent escapee, sir.
WWI and WWII was organized to kill Germans period, destroy the German nation-state, and annihilate the German people, because she had the superior system of political economy, and therefore a rival to the British Imperial system. So we must recognize the age old nature of the murderous aggressors claiming victimhood with the honor of writing the history for posterity. WWI and WWII could not have happened without the Warburg Brothers, International Finance operating out of the Federal Reserve Bank system. The Fed organizes America’s wealth, money and credit to wage war which is why the Globalists, what we call the Imperialists today, have both Europe and Russia in their sights right now. We must do all we can to stop all operations of WWIII.
Forcing American schoolchildren to read Anne Frank IS also a great crime.
UnzForum prolixic wordsmith Jung-Priss lists Phil Weiss “among the Jews of some conscience” — but marginalized.”
https://www.unz.com/jfreud/american-democracy-cannot-function-without-naming-the-dominant-power-how-rise-of-secular-society-and-fading-of-religion-led-to-sacralization-of-the-secular-sphere-the-rules-of-elit/
At a conference in 2015 or 2016 hosted by Institute for Research on Middle East Policy (IRMEP) Weiss labeled as “disgusting” the notion that mandating holocaust education was inappropriate; and said boldly that “reading Anne Frank should not be problematized.“. http://israelsinfluence.org
https://jstreet.org/conference/#.Yw-6Ry2ZPR0
Anne Frank is a litmus test, the gateway drug to internalizing the demands of the oppressor.
It’s possible Hitler called himself “WHITE” but I’ve never read such a statement.
Hitler, born in Austria, was enamored of, proud of, eager for respect for GERMAN and Aryan “genius.”
Perhaps you are confusing Hitler with Jared Taylor?
Jewa and fraud in book publishing are very common.Lots of examples, remember the Howard Hughes forgery?
I don’t know if Anne Frank’s diary is genuine, wholly fabricated or partly genuine and partly “improved” (I suspect the latter), but the idea that Jewish-American writer Meyer Levin was its author is almost certainly wrong.
This is what the website holocaustcontroversiessays about it:
Source: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/05/rebutting-twitter-denial-most-popular.html#annefrank
(((she))) didn’t lie. Ira Levin “lied” when, under effective contract from Otto Frank, he wrote a fictive Diary of Anne Frank based on some of her wartime scribblings. Otto Frank didn’t like it, refused to pay for it, so Levin sued him….and got paid 50K. BTW,
from all the evidence, Annelies was a budding lesbian.
Here’s two samples of Anne Frank’s handwriting. The first was a letter sent to a penpal in the US. The second is the last page of Anne’s famous diary. If you compare the two samples, they were obviously written by two different people. For one thing, the first slants to the left, and the second to the right. People usually don’t change their slant like that. The letters in the second sample look are too neat compared to the first. If the first sample is real, then the second sample has to be a forgery.
https://usgerrelations.traces.org/anne.html
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/513832638720240456/
You are correct as to the need to hide Allied war crimes. Anne Frank and the so-called “holocaust” were both “blood libels” against the German people.
Noted General Curtis LeMay remarked” “If we lose this thing, we’ll be on trial for war crimes”.
Eisenhower and his “Rheinwesienlager death camps” should be investigated for his abuse and murder of German POWs (who were redefined as “disarmed enemy combatants”) for paper-pusher Eisenhower’s revenge.
You can bet that if Patton was in charge, there would have been no Rheinweisenlager death camps as he was against the “deculturalization” of Germany.
interesting. But I suspect the letters – as translated into English and as written by Otto Frank – are what Ann Frank’s penpals received. That is, you are comparing Anne F’.’s script with Otto F.’s., and thus the difference. In sum,
she wrote down a lot of stuff in that attic, some of it dated, some not, and that’s what Ira Levin cobbled together and expanded into the so-called “Diary of….”.
You have milked the US to death already. The Kagans’ clan has arranged the Nazification of Ukraine immediately after the 2014 coup run by Nuland-Kagan in collaboration with self-proclaimed neoNazis. Your Jewish idol Ze (a homoerotic dancer in high heels) has been sadistically sending young Ukrainian men and women to die in a hapless war of Judea against Russia. And it was the Jewish scum that had been genociding Russians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs, and more during and after the Bolshevik revolution (financed by Jewish bankers such as the Rothchild house-connected Jacob Schiff).
Enough already of your profitable schema of holobiz. The Jewish Lobby has been in full support of Ukrainian Banderites. How many Jewish members of the US congress did vote against the generous financial and military assistance to neoiNazis in Ukraine? All 37 Jewish members of the US congress are Banderites now — don’t you know? Your “schoumer,” Cardin et al. never knew the sense of decency. Jewish Lobby even has been tacitly supporting the Banderites in Canada and the US, all while hunting and destroying the lives of honest historians and engineers who studied WWII and discovered the enormous Jewish lies of holobiz variety.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/08/31/scott-ritter-the-death-list/
Ritter:
Mazel Tov, Jewish Banderites!
https://thepowerhour.com/full-list-how-members-of-congress-voted-on-40-billion-for-ukraine/
That is an example of Dutch irreverence, not to be taken seriously( shocking for the sake of being shocking). Another one is here :
Hmm — What is the whole story?
What where the consequences of the Frank lie?
How many Palestinians and Muslims are dead because of the Ann Frank propaganda?
Did getting away with the six million holocaust lie and Frank propaganda – encourage the 9/11 attack by the Big Jews?
Annalise is a German name. The fraudsters wanted her to seem more American. Because Israel needed American Jewish and goyim taxpayers money.
I have no reason to disbelieve the diary of Anne Frank. I am of the same age as Anne Fifteen when the war ended. We had neighbours who were Jewish. There were two families living in the house, an elderly couple, living upstairs and their daughter married to a German non Jew downstairs. The elderly couple never left the house. The younger couple thought they were safe, because he was German. They had fled Germany in the mid thirties. I shall never forget the day they were picked up. It was early in the morning, I guess round four o’clock or so when we were woken up by loud voices yelling in German “raus raus” and the women shrieking hysterically. They were loaded on a truck and carted off to Auswitch, the German husband to Bergen Belsen. He was the only one who survived the ordeal. He visited us after the war. I kept a diary of the war, which I still have, but did not write t about personal things, more about the war at the eastern front. It is illustrated with numerous pictures from German magazines and fliers dropped from overflying British and American planes This just off the cuff.
Is this unz character a jew?
My money is on Anne Frank never even exsisted.
It’s how they roll…
The ‘gas chambers of Auswitch’ were wood slat doors.
The doors locked only from the inside like all bathroom/shower doors do.
But I guess it was real in your mind…
Don’t you think ? What happened ? Usually you see a Muslim hand . Where is the Muslim angle ? Did Muslim do this to the historicity of Anne ?
If not. why don’t you say something and later see something ?
Netanyahu saw Islam behind Nazism saw Palestinian influence on Nazism . Said and later saw .
Did the Black chirren in the rat and roach infested slums of the USA have to read ‘Muh Die ry of Anne Frank in order to develop tolerance?
Did little Japanese girls whose relatives perished in atomic annihilation have to read this diary to understand the special sufferink of the Jews??
Did little Russian girls whose relatives perished in German high altitude experiments or in labour camps building rockets have to read this diary?
Did the Palestinian children in the DP camps suffering malnutrition and bullet wounds have to read this story in order to develop sympathy for zionism?
Ann Frank and fambly were eating tuna fish sandwiches, canned pineapple, and Hershey bars at a time when the Germans were punishing the Dutch with near total confiscation of foodstuffs. I have heard Dutch survivors of that period say they had to eat ate tulip bulbs and willow leaves to survive.
She died of typhus, after living in a “death camp” for many months, being in the hospital in the “death camp”, then being transferred out of the death camp to a regular camp. Not quite the evil nazi story you’re after.
“the Holocaust Industry has been utterly ruthless in squashing any resistance to the Official Story.”
— Except that the Holocaust Industry has been totally silent about the Nazification of Ukraine, which was accomplished by the joint Ziocons-Banderites efforts. The Kagans’ clan has been playing a leading role in collaboration with the self-proclaimed Ukrainian Nazis since 2014. Others – Karl Gershman, Sullivan, Blinken, Price, Wendy Sherman, and similar “holobiz survivors” – have been staunch supporters of Banderrites and the Nazification of Ukraine. Look at the “schoumer” and his joy of seeing Ukraine Nazified.
The Jewish Lobby is supporting the Banderites. The Jewish members of the US congress took the side of Ukrainian neoNazis. “The Holocaust Industry” suddenly went silent. Actually, the ADL (created in memory of a rapist and murderer Leo Frank) has produced an apologia of Banderites. No kidding.
The principal organizer and financier of Nazi death squads (Azov, Aidar, and Dnipro battalions) was the then president of the Jewish community of Ukraine Mr. Kolomojsky. The current leader of Nazified Ukraine is a Jewish actor and homoerotic dancer Mr. Zelensky, whose election campaign was financed by the same Mr. Kolomojsky. The cokehead Mr. Ze betrayed the Ukrainian electorate’s desire to restore peace with Russia.
The Holobiz museums and Anne Frank/ Elie Wiesel fakery industry are going through an interesting time. The Jewish Lobby and Israel are in support of the self-proclaimed Ukrainian Nazis. Kind of logical considering the subhuman behavior of American and Israeli Jews toward people in the Middle Eastern countries.
But the most heinous, genocidal Jewish crimes were committed in Russia during and after the Bolshevik revolution. This page in world history needs better elucidation to ward off the pernicious effects of the holobiz profiteering schema.
Well, there is a book–and a play–based on the writing of Rachel Corrie, an American student who spent time living in Gaza. The Jews crushed her to death with a tractor while she was trying to stop the illegal demolition of a Palestinian home.
Any time the play is ready to be presented the Jews mount a campaign to shut it down.
That milk’s good for you, goy.
Extracted from the IMDB:
Titles
My Best Friend Anne Frank (2021)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1959)
#AnneFrank. Parallel Stories (2019)
Anne Frank Remembered (1995)
Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank (2016)
Where Is Anne Frank (2021)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1995)
Anne Frank’s Diary (1999)
The Diary of Anne Frank (in development)
In Line for Anne Frank (2014)
Anne Frank and Me
Anne Frank, Then and Now (2014)
Anne Frank, a Musical (2019)
Classmates of Anne Frank (2008)
No Asylum: The Untold Chapter of Anne Frank’s Story (2015)
Mouschi: The Cat Who Lived with Anne Frank (2022)
Titles
Anne Frank (2001) (TV Mini Series)
The Diary of Anne Frank (2009) (TV Mini Series)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1980) (TV Movie)
Anne Frank Video Diary (2020) (TV Series)
The Attic: The Hiding of Anne Frank (1988) (TV Movie) Memories of Anne Frank (2009) (TV Movie)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1987) (TV Series)
The Diary of Anne Frank (1967) (TV Movie)
Anne Frank’s Holocaust (2015) (TV Movie)
Meine Tochter Anne Frank (2015) (TV Movie)
Het dagboek van Anne Frank (1985) (TV Movie)
Who Betrayed Anne Frank (2001) (TV Movie)
De Erfenis van Anne Frank (2015) (TV Movie)
The Last Seven Months of Anne Frank (1988) (TV Movie)
Forget Me Not: The Anne Frank Story (1996) (TV Movie)
Anne Frank: L’après journal (2008) (TV Movie)
Dagboek van Anne Frank (1962) (TV Movie)
Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank (1982) (TV Movie)
Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank (1958) (TV Movie)
Dnevnik Ane Frank (1959) (TV Movie)
aka “The Diary of Anne Frank”
Anne Frank: Beyond the Diary (2015) (TV Series)
Das Tagebuch der Anne Frank (1957) (TV Movie)
Het korte leven van Anne Frank (2001) (TV Movie)
The Diary of Anne Frank: A Tale of Two Sisters (2015) (TV Movie)
El diari d’Anna Frank (1996) (TV Movie)
aka “The Diary of Anne Frank”
Thank you for posting this. Are you a regular visitor here? If not, would you mind telling me how you happened to come across this site and this article?
Are you a progeny of Lazar Kaganovich? He was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine and Stalin’s brother-in-law. Some 6 to 8 million people of all aged perished during Holodomor in Ukraine. Any sentiments about Kaganovich?
Or maybe you are related to Shaya Itsikovich (aka Philipp Goloshyokin), under whose ‘guidance’ 40% of Kazakhs died during the Goloshyokin Genocide? That was a well-documented mass murder.
What about Naftali Frenkel, an organizer of GULAG, a network of death camps in the Soviet Union?
If you have never heard about these people, it is because the Jewish Lobby does not want people to know about bad Jews and their crimes but only wants ‘others’ to know about supposedly good Jews like the famous liar Elie Wiesel.
You also need to walk a fine line today, considering that the Kagans’ clan has been very active in supporting Ukrainian Banderites (self-proclaimed neoNazis) and in the Nazification of Ukraine. Don’t you know that according to the ADL and David Fishman – a professor of Jewish History at the Jewish Theological Seminary and member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum – Ukrainian neoNazis (Banderites) are not so bad? So please be careful with swine memes. The name-calling can be back to you and justifiably so.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-lobby-group-adl-rehabilitates-hitlers-accomplices-ukraine/35021
The subhuman Samson Option has been officially adopted by the famous Zionist Mr. Biden.
Or, as another famous Zionist, Mrs. Pelosi, articulated, even if the US “Capitol crumbles to the ground, one thing tha’ll remain is our commitment to Israel.”
In any normal society, this allegiance to a foreign country will be considered high treason. In the Zionized US, the infestation of government with “dual-loyalty” scum and the treasonous allegiance to Jewish “donors” has become a norm.
The ongoing Congressional/Jewish support for neoNazis in Ukraine is just another sign of moral decay. The Jewish Lobby openly supports the Banderites. Tell us, should Jewish supporters of Banderites be called Judeo-Nazis or Zio-Nazis?
How many white Christian Russian Anne Franks died in the early Soviet Union at the hands of jewish mass murderers like Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, etc.?
Until their stories are told and Hollywood movies made about them why should i care about the privileged in comparison one who lived in Holland and died of typhus?
Thank you for refreshing my memory, I do recall reading about this despicable tragedy some time ago. They are fools to assume their violent charades can continue without major pushbacks. It’s not a matter of if, but when.
Just for you, a repost of #140, to connect two names forever:
The same has happened to the documentary “Two Hundred Years Together” by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (the Nobel Prize in Literature). The documentary (not fiction but documentary) about the history of Jews in Russia was sequestered by all publishing houses in the US out of fear of the Jewish Lobby. The truth is unbearable for the dishonorable holobiz profiteers.
Ever heard about Trotsky (Bronstein) and his sponsor Jacob Schiff? What about the genocidal Genrikh Yagoda (Yenokh Iyeguda, head of Soviet secret police) and mass murderer and war-criminal Rozalia Zalkind? (https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Rozaliia_Zemliachka)
Israeli rifles used by neo-Nazis of the Azov battalion: https://i1.wp.com/thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ukraine-nazis-israel-weapons-azov-battalion.jpg?resize=845%2C450&ssl=1
The emblem of the Nazi Azov battalion, organized and financed by Mr. Kolomojsky, the president of the Jewish Community of Ukraine.
Soros.
1) Doug Emhoff, Jewish Husband of Kamala Devil Harris
2) Janet Yellin, Jewish Secretary Treasury
3) Anthony Blinken, Jewish Secretary of State
4) Ron Klain, Jewish Chief of Staff
5) Merrick Garland, Jewish Attorney General
6) David Cohen, Jewish Deputy Director CIA
7) Alejandro Mayorkas, Jewish Secretary Homeland Security
8) Avril Haines, Jewish Director National Intelligence
9) Rochelle P. Walensky, Jewish CDC Director
10) Victoria Nuland, Jewish Secretary State Political Affairs
11) Eric Lander, Jewish Office of Science Technology
12) Jeffry Zeints, Jewish Covid Czar
13) Rachel Levine, Jewish Assistant Health Secretary
14) 15) Cass Sunstein, Jewish Department of Homeland Security, and his wife, Samantha Power, Head of USAID
16) Dana Stroul, Jewish Pentagon Senior Policy Official on the Middle East
17) Wendy Sherman, Jewish Deputy Secretary of State
18) Anne Neuberger, Jewish Director of Cybersecurity at NSA
19) Chanan Weissman, Jewish Director of Technology National Security Council
20) Avril Haines, Jewish Director of National Intelligence
21) Polly Trottenberg, Jewish Deputy Secretary of Transportation
22) Jessica Rosenworce,l Jewish Acting Chairwoman FCC
23) Jennifer Klein, Jewish Co-Chair of the Gender Policy Council
24) Jared Bernstein, Jewish Member of Council of Economic Advisers
25) David Kessler, Jewish Chief Science Officer of COVID Response
26) Stephanie Pollack, Jewish Deputy Administrator Federal Highway Administration
27) Gary Gensler, Jewish Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission [show less]
Maybe the Dutch are “irreverent” for a reason. Like the rest of Europe, they’ve been dealing with/putting up with/suffering (((The Tribe))) for far longer than us Norteamericanos.
Incidentally, such irreverence probably also serves as at least circumstantial evidence to prove that the long-held belief that the Dutch went to extraordinary lengths during WWII to save “their” Jooz from the NotSees is pure propaganda bullshit.
As Jewish enterprises, they must be franchised, no?
LOL, an interesting collection of Anne Frank information aka steaming dog shite. I scoured my Library today and interestingly enough about 80% of the Frank books are in the children;s section. There are about 100 titles in all.
It looks like Anne was a great heroine and the house she hid in a sacred shrine. I am surprised there is not a statue of her George Floyd style. It unfortunate as we wont have a Grotto to go worship when in Holland.
In any case the books in the library follow the same redundant titles that you show. The only one not written yet is the toilet schedule of Anne Frank. She must have been too busy writing her diary to take a dump or a urinate but wait wasn;t the diary written by her Daddy ? Someone would do well to research this as I dont think this aspect has been touched on……yet !
The Tribe are like a dog with an old bone. They know how to chew and flog a crock as nauseum. I suspect that the first comment by Nick J (J-Jew) was a troll to get everyone pissed as these Kosher article tend to elicit yawns and eye rolls.Over 70 years later the Israelites are still sloshing around in this bullshit.
Germany is the most gaslit nation on earth, having suffered 77 continuous years of psychological and cultural abuse at the hands of its (((occupiers))). The German adherence to the holohoax narrative is a form of national collective Stockholm Syndrome, a coping mechanism to prevent its abusive captors from simply destroying it outright (which they’re in fact already doing, through Jewish-owned proxies like former Chancellor Angela Ferkel who initiated the Great Third World Invasion that is still ongoing).
The devil is the father of lies. Once you go down that road who knows what’s real?
You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians.
I am convinced that this will never change. Hate for other peoples grips the Jew culture.
It is for sure that the Big Jews did 9/11.
On The Genealogy of Morals.
I am the author of this book.
I apologize for the unnatural English as it is an automatic translation.
Otto’s handwriting is quite different from either of those two.
Without a doubt, I can assure you that Annelies did not write a single word in her “diary”.
I believe, but cannot go so far as to assert, that it was actually Levin who wrote it.
The evidence is piling up.
But if I had to single out one definitive item, it would be the notebook in which the diary was written.
For the text of the diary to exist, the notebook in which it was written must be physically present.
However, it is not at all plausible that it existed at the time Otto was taken away.
Ironically, he himself made a fatal error in his testimony.
This is one of the showstoppers in the second half of the book.
Please, if you are interested, read it.
The whitewashing of Nazi crimes is alive. Any anything and everything that has to do with the holocaust and anti-semitism is now myths. Anyone preaching Jewish hatred is the truth.
You’ve come a long way, TKK. But you have further yet to go. It is more accurate and more constructive to say, “Every time, it’s a Khazar.” Yes, yes, a Jew. But, more importantly, a Khazar.
Why did Germany intern Anne Frank and other Jews after WW II started? World Jewry indicated their hostility to Germany immediately upon Hitler’s appointment as chancellor, declaring a worldwide boycott of German goods, a threat to the small (in geographical size) country with almost no natural resources that relied on advanced technology exports. Jews carried out several assassinations of German officials after many or most had restrictions placed upon them, released from their jobs, forbidden from work, intermarriage with Christians and being encouraged to leave Germany. World Jewry was enraged. How dare those Germans? One assassination of the young German diplomat Ernst vom Rath resulted in riots across Germany that resulted in 85 Jewish deaths. This became known as Kristallnacht. The fact that a Polish Jew’s murder of a German diplomat because he resented his family was deported back to Poland caused Kristallnacht is never mentioned. The similarity between the Jews working to assemble a hostile alliance against Germany, isolating the country and assassinations of officials is eerily similar as to how they have isolated Russia, embargoed their economy and have now assassinated a high profile Russian thinker.
Up until now, Jews always presented themselves as purely innocent and powerless in Europe, denying their dominant and murderous role in the USSR. But after 80 years of vilification of their German enemy they are now coming out and boasting of their murderous behavior of Germans which is justified merely by labeling the Germans as “NAZIS”.
“The internment was a necessary wartime security precaution because Jews were generally hostile toward Germany and clandestine Jewish partisans were actively killing German troops.”
“Even the New York Times confirms the nature of the deadly threat posed to German troops by well-organized Jewish-Marxist guerrilla partisans — including female assassins operating under cover!”
Times:In 1943, Niuta Teitelbaum strolled into a Gestapo apartment in Warsaw and faced three Nazis. A 24-year-old Jewish woman who had studied history at Warsaw University, Niuta was likely now dressed in her characteristic guise as a Polish farm girl with a kerchief tied around her braided blond hair. …. She smiled meekly and then pulled out a gun and shot each one. Two were killed, one wounded. —- Niuta, however, wasn’t satisfied. She found a physician’s coat, entered the hospital where the injured man was being treated, and killed both the Nazi and the police officer who had been guarding him.
Analysis: A mass-murdering young Jewess disguised as a Polish farm girl, then as doctor.
Times: “Little Wanda With the Braids,” as she was nicknamed on every Gestapo most-wanted list, was one of many young Jewish women who, with supreme cunning and daring, fought the Nazis in Poland.
Analysis: Ya hear that? “Many young Jewish women murdered Germans “with supreme cunning” — Geneva Convention rules of humane engagement be damned. Oh, by the way, these partisan gangs were the very same “Polish” characters who had volunteered to fight in the Spanish Civil War of just a few years prior — in which they carried out horrific massacres of priests, nuns and other assorted supporters of General Franco.
Times: One (book) I noticed, was unusual — “Freuen in di Ghettos,” Yiddish for “Women in the Ghettos.” I opened it and found 180 sheets of tiny script, all in Yiddish, a language I was fluent in. To my surprise, the book relayed tales of dozens of other young Jewish women who defied the Nazis, many of whom had the chance to leave Nazi-occupied Poland but didn’t; some even voluntarily returned.
Analysis: The ranks of the Bolshevik “resistance” (and their non-combatant Jewish helpers) were filled with young Jewish women — and children too.
Times: All this was a revelation to me. Where I had expected mourning and gloom, I found guns, grenades and espionage. This was a Yiddish thriller, telling the stories of Polish-Jewish “ghetto girls” who paid off Gestapo guards, hid revolvers in teddy bears, flirted with Nazis and then killed them. They distributed underground bulletins, flung Molotov cocktails and bombed train lines….
Analysis: These non-uniformed ferocious feminists were straight-up killers whose terrorist tactics necessitated the internment of all of their brethren — regardless of whether they were partisans or not.
[partisan warfare, illegal under the Geneva Convention, which the Jewish run government of the USSR did not sign, results in retribution against “non-combatants”]
Times: I was stunned. I was raised in a community of Holocaust survivors and had earned a doctorate in women’s history. Why had I never heard these stories?
Analysis: Ya know why? Because if the full extent of the cold-blooded female and child participation in these murderous “resistance” cells were to become too widely known, then the true reason for the internment of the Jews starts to sound much more plausible than the standard old explanation of: “Hitler hated the Jews.”
https://www.realhistorychan.com/anyt-08302022.html
YES, its high time to write that Dresden German girl story that tells us a first hand account of the horrors.
The day that Hollywood makes a movie about Bolshevik Jew mass murderers that depicts them exactly as they were is the day that we’ll know that (((they))) have lost control of Hollywood.
That’s a very nice “bullet” list. Literally.
Vindictive Jews take their revenge on anyone who exposes their lies. They will not be satisfied until all the goyim are either dead or their slaves, for only that way can they be certain that their lies will never be exposed.
Faurisson was horribly beaten by cowardly Jewish thugs, “pour encourager les autres”:
French Historian Who Dismisses Holocaust Is Beaten
Take this one as an example of how far Jews will go in their lust for revenge against innocent people:
101-year-old ex-Nazi guard sentenced for aiding 3,500 murders
Then we have this recent discovery as well:
Possible mass grave found near Auschwitz death camp in Poland
But when it turned out to their profound embarassment that the “Mass Grave” was from German POW’s and they still haven’t been able to locate any of the 6 million cadavers, it was all swept under the rug…
New human remains found near Auschwitz likely of German POWs, experts say
What we have to recognize is the degree of brutality and murder that Jews will go to in order to protect their sacred holy grail, the holofraud. This is the goose that lays golden eggs, and Jews are not going to give it up without a fight. How many people will Jews murder in order to keep this goose alive?
It is my contention that the the Special Military Operation in Ukraine is directly related to protecting the Holofraud myth. Younger generations of goyim were not displaying sufficient levels of guilt and fervor for the Holofraud. Ever since the Russian SMO, there has been a never ending stream of vitriol for the “UkroNAZI’s”. NSDAP Symbols, and Jewish fables about places like Babi Yar being “bombarded by Russians” are constantly smeared across the headlines. Lets face it, the SMO has been a Jewish Holofraud propaganda bonanza, and the Holofraud is a massive Hebrew profit center. As someone once said, follow the money.
Two Hundred Years together in PDF full edition
http://www.renegadetribune.com/finally-a-complete-english-version-of-solzhenitsyns-200-years-together/
Karl just fyi I put this together over time, shared and emailed it all over for a few years now, and no one ever corrects any of it.
Over 100 Years Ago the US Government Lied Us into World War I
https://www.globalresearch.ca/over-100-years-ago-us-government-lied-world-war-i/5700692
Exposing the “Nazi” Epithet – Who started it, why, how, and who benefits
https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-who-started-it-why-how-and-who-benefits/
Exposing the ‘Nazi’ Epithet Part 2 – Anti-Hitlerism: The Rise of Pure BS and Hatred
https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-part-2-anti-hitlerism-the-rise-of-pure-bs-and-hatred/
Share WW I & II Truth for Peace
Click “MORE” below each video to see the additional info.
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/NBu3vOs8kXFY/
Note: If this bitchute channel is restricted to you like it is to some because of their location, use some VPN like https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ to access the internet where you can change your location to one that works and you can view the channel. I have other channels so it’s not like I focus on this only.
Sir! No Sir! – The Suppressed Story of the GI Movement to End the War in Vietnam (49:27)
https://archive.org/details/sir_no_sir
And this documentary obviously goes with Sir No Sir!:
Sacrificing Liberty – 4 DVD Docuseries
https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/
Michael’s Newsletter
https://michaelatkinson.substack.com/
Bonus:
LibriVox audiobook recording of The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine.
Read by JoeD.
Deism for a humble, natural state.
https://slife.org/deism/
Best regards,
Michael
Why is it worthwhile decrying the diary of Anne Frank?
Simple: The amount of money and effort some people have put into propagating this sentimental story, claiming it to be nonfiction, on and on, time immoral. Some people have puffed this up so much, of course it’s worth attempting a puncture. How many copies did “israel” donate to Tokyo? WTF would they do that? Do your kids have to study this perversion at school? Something’s crook.
Arguably the Confederate States of America are as much or even more gaslit. Of course the “de-Nazification” of Germany was modeled after the US Army’s experience with Reconstruction.
Southern guilt is constantly regurgitated and amplified upon, and monuments to Southern heroes are constantly under assault, just as in Germany.
The most revealing parallel between the CSA and NSDAP Germany would be the myth that the war was fought to “free the slaves”. Just as German “guilt” for the Holofraud is used to bind Germans to their Jewish tormentors, so is Southern guilt for “slavery” used to bind Southerners to the Jew’s favorite pet race, the Negro.
The elephant in the room here is that the entire Frank family were likely Sabbatean “Frankists“. All the blather about Anne and her “Jewish boy” are just a cover for her pedo family. In fact, all that Frank family porn revolving around Anne reminds one of Joe Biden’s prolonged showers with his daughter or Hunter Biden knocking up his niece and dead brothers daughter named Natalie.
The last archeological findings on the site of the ancient Carthage show without a doubt that child sacrifice was a common practice : thousands of earthen child coffins have been found for real. The practice was continued on a smaller and more secretive basis as the Carthaginian cult of Baal mingled with that of Saturn in Italy.
1) Nobody knows (nor care) who this Suzuki his, Could be a Mexican garbage collector in Miami ?
2) Wikipedia page is completely opposite and there is no explanation about those discrepancies.
3) Obviously, this article would need a general introduction for those like me who aren’t in the know …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diary_of_a_Young_Girl
In order to deserve their (((independence))) Taiwan still have a long way to go : first of all, they have to embrace diversity full monty : they must accept the immigration of at least 5 millions Black delinquents from all parts of Africa (mostly from Liberia), they must accept at least 1/10 of their own daughters to go out and breed with those Blacks. They must first and foremost embrace sexual diversity and teach alternate sexuality in schools as a priority item.
Anne Frank existed or not. Anne Frank got unlucky or not. Anne Frank made it to Belsen via Auschwitz or not. Belsen really was not a nice place back in 1945. Anne Frank is a propaganda tool being milked for every shekel they can make out of her.
The Jews run their very own concentration camps but they don’t get the publicity. The Israel Prison Service admits to running Saharonim – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saharonim_Prison and Ketziot – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktzi%27ot_Prison.
Then there is Yahalom, part of Ben Gurion Airport – https://hotline.org.il/en/detentionmonitoring2015/ Do they mistreat prisoners? Is there any other way?
They used KHIAM PRISON in the Lebanon. Its specialist area was torturing prisoners – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khiam_detention_center, great fun for psychopaths.
They have others.
Aryans were proto-Slavic, no (proto)Germans.
I really like your comment number 159. For more information on this subject, you might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184.
Agree with your last paragraph, especially if you replace the ‘holohoax’ with ‘Porphyrogenithoax’. There is not a point to bust some myths and nourish some others.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter at this point if she really wrote the diary or not. (Or whatever really happened.) Anne Frank has become the “front person” of the special victim status the zionists and Israel’s government enjoy to blackmail Western governments for weapons etc. And every violation of human rights that are committed are basically “excused” because of that special victim status.
In the end it’s pointless to discuss the past (maybe it’s the best to accept the lies) and ask the most important question: WHY IT’S STILL GOOD ENOUGH TO EXCUSE ALL CRIMES BEING COMMITTED.
(The most famous example is that even the famous “iron eater” Bismarck wasn’t into charging the French for the massive damages Napoleon had done to the city of Regensburg. As a commission from that city was actually asking for reparations – in 1871!)
Thanks. It’s a good article.
Abject Jewish terrorism in Europe predates both WWI and WWII, as assassinations of Tsar Alexander and even McKinley by Leon Frank Czolgosz (hmmm, there are those Frankists once again). Bismark was also almost assassinated long before WWI, and then there is the behavior of Jews during the attempted Russian revolution of 1905. Berlin and Munich had both almost fallen to Jewish Bolsheviks in 1919. The behaviour of the Maquis during and after the Spanish Civil war provide all the proof anyone would need that Jews are willing to sink to the lowest levels of sadism and depravity when it comes to eliminating their opposition.
Anyone with any semblance of objectivity would immediately acknowledge that Germany had far more justification for constraining Jewish communists during WWII than the US had for locking up Japanese or Germans after Pearl Harbor.
But the real clincher here is the behaviour of Jews in Poland in the lead up to the invasion of Poland. Sadistic Jewish behaviour at Bromberg and other cities across Poland as they tried to incite the WWII in order to complete the creation of Israel justified the locking up of every suspicious Jew in Germany or German occupied territory after September 1, 1939. This would of course have included the Frank family of Sabbatean Frankists.
As long as Jewish lawyers are allowed to twist and distort facts when they argue cases about Jewish behaviour towards Goyim, all of this “history” should just be ignored. They are specialists in making inane and untruthful arguments for no other reason than to just muddy the water and make getting at the truth impossible.
Please try to tolerate the emotional storm clouds that the ambivalence accompanying the simultaneous presence within a human mind of being able to hold two thoughts or outlooks which appear contradictory. (I knew several professional and highly accomplished gaslighting MD old-school Freudian headshrinkers well. They will tell you that ambivalence is applied to psychic material intentionally by their kind because because because – of the terrible things that it does.)
I might, for the little I know, be somehow related to Kaganovich due to my being descended on my cruel father’s side from a Jewish individual who immigrated to America from the Czar’s empire. (My mother was an Irish Catholic who led the choirs of a or the Catholic church of Bethlehem PA, during the depression and World War 2. Both of them regretfully despised religion because they rebelled against overly strict parents unknowingly). Also, you are telling me little, in your fury, that I am not acquainted with already. My heart breaks and my mind boils as fully with hatred as does yours at the obscenities perpetrated by those heavens-storming incestuous offspring of yore.
I think also that I also comprehend how Hitler could come to be an inspiration or role model for people here in the USA. Especially after studying the chronicles of the highjacking of US foreign policy since it’s seizure by the spawn of the Trotskyites who Stalin managed to overlook putting to death long ago. And knowing how blazingly stupid many – most – people are here especially under the aegis of an ultraviolence promoting Hollywood which is essentially a Pentagon PR firm now, and a news media where the exalted guests are retired generals, fbi men and CIA agents, and the moderators are covert operators themselves.
And despite how nauseated I am by ceaseless Holocaust propaganda (as the memory of 27 -35 million Russian victims of WW2 is intentionally suppressed) and how infinitesimally in fact I like many Jews as compared to how much I love and admire most Russians, I found the spectacle of dragging Anne Frank’s memory through the mud (the memory of a woman AND child) very shameful and basely vile.
Now a day, most people write stuff, without any proofs. The book gives proofs, not just ”Anne wrote a dairy dedicated to an imaginary friend, Kitty.” I believe, with not proof obviously, that the least of her worries, of that little girl, was sexual perversion as stated in the dairy. It reminds me of the catholic cult: just look how they exploit the ‘fatima’ apparition in portugal. Or the other Idol in Mexico, the virgin Mary. Gullible is that a word? people who follow this religion, and pay untold billions annually to visit these shrines. Same for the Talmudists, get untold billions with their farces from dumb down goys. Remember, religions are alike, the bottom line is money. Talmudism as well as its sister religion, catholicism, depend of the masses for their billions; same with any other cult, just tell the people lies, and get their $$$. Talmudism has its idols-Anne Frank shrine, and Hollohoax shrines all over the world. Notice that those shrines are for goyim, talmudists only rake the money.
…and Baptists take a small part of the Bible and concentrate on that small portion (such as snake handling) while ignoring the rest.
ALL religions are subject to the whims of MEN and as such are not perfect. Observe the behavior of the present “pope” declaring holy writ on “climate change”, poison vaxxes and other temporal situations that he knows nothing about.
Croats have few such places (e.g. Medjugorje), coincidentally, the same places where they during the ww2 threw many thousands of live Serbs into bottomless caves. Even now, no single Croat wants to denounce these and other numerous barbaric acts, never seen before in human history, what classifies them as the only group in the world, which can be considered ‘genocidal’.
I haven’t read the book, but
1. How does the slutty stuff support the hoax hypothesis? Frank’s father had that inserted into the diary?
2. The letter from 1940 is “alleged”? If so then we don’t have an unambiguous handwriting sample.
3. That the early published editions of the diary vary a lot and differ from what are now presented as the diaries is suggestive but doesn’t prove that the purported diaries are fake.
Based on this review I don’t see the smoking gun. I ordered the book so let’s see
The same guy, Rob Muntz, went to America and presented himself as a Christian minister from the Netherlands visiting the United States. He is a funny guy, not particularly against the Jewish people or Christians.
“The whitewashing of Nazi crimes is alive.”
— Jews have never allowed even to mention, officially, the Goloschyokin Genocide of Kazakhs, when some 40% of Kazakhs were eliminated “under the leadership” of Philipp Goloschyokin (born Shaya Itsikovich), the First Secretary of the Communist Party in the Kazakh Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic.
Goloschyokin was also involved in the murder of the Russian tsar and his family, including children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipp_Goloshchyokin
The execution was ordered by Yakov-Aaron Sverdlov:
https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/07/jewish-murder-of-the-russian-imperial-family/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Sverdlov
Lazar Kaganovich, the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine (and Stalin’s brother-in-law — so much for the usual squealing about anti-semitism in Russia), was found guilty (posthumously) of the genocide against Ukrainians during the catastrophic Holodomor famine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
Why the whitewashing of Jewish crimes in Russia?
Then work on stopping the “dragging Anne Frank’s memory through the mud” by respecting the truth and exposing the pernicious profiteering schemas of holobiz.
Well, Mr Suzuki –
Your job is never done.You chop off one of the Dragon’s heads and 10 more grow instantly.
Daily Mail:
“Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346193/Could-twisted-holocaust-fantasists-How-people-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html
“Woman who MADE UP entire bestselling holocaust memoir is forced to pay back $22.5 million after her lies are revealed 17 years later… and she’s not even Jewish”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625612/Woman-MADE-UP-entire-bestselling-holocaust-memoir-forced-pay-22-5-million-publisher-revealed-shes-not-Jewish.html
One of these days you will progress from Arithmetics to Abstract Algebra, meaning you will study general patterns instead of particular numbers.
Then you probably will write your magnum opus:
“Morphology of Holocaust Fairy Tales”, something along the lines of “Morphology of the Folktale” by V. Propp
LOL. Poland wants some of the Anne Frank booty. Of course they understand that when Hunter Biden said “10% for the big guy” that he was talking about Judea.
I see an opening to get rid of the jewish holocaust® fable once and for all.
Asians are very thorough and meticulous in their research, not overlooking the smallest detail, and would be excellent purveyors of real holocaust® investigation and truth.
It should be possible for CODOH and other holocaust® research organizations to commission Asian researchers and authors to investigate this “event” and come up with the unvarnished TRUTH about this “hoax of the twentieth century”, assisting Asian researchers and authors to get their works published.
White gentiles have been too cowed into (jewish) submission and rightly fear the “power of the jews” to affect their jobs and future prospects.
One only has to observe the case of engineer Fred Leuchter who was the country’s foremost expert on execution machinery. After he published his findings stating that the Auschwitz “gas chambers” were propaganda fabrications and could not have been used to “gas” people, he lost all of his federal and state contracts for execution machinery. The jews effectively put him out of business. In fact, mossad types came after him, but after realizing that he was always armed, they backed off. However, the damage was done. This was both a message and a warning by the jews, not to contest holocaust® claims.
Asians do not have the same attitude about jews and the holocaust® and would be viable weapons to expose this fraud, once and for all.
Mr. Suzuki’s book on Anne Frank is but a good start…
Let’s keep the ball rolling…
Quite a few soccer/association football clubs in Europe are said to have organized fan clubs that are influential politically. Nothing quite like this exists in the USA, but maybe some college (American) football teams’ boosters and alumni associations might be homologous.
Lady Bird Johnson’s funeral had a lot of UT Austin alumni in attendance.
(More interesting after the :30 mark.)
Nobody in East Asia gives a rat’s ass about muh holcost one way or the other. They’ve all had their own holocausts: atomic bombs, cultural revolutions, fire bombing, rape of Nanking. But in any case, the Asians have no skin in the game; why should they conduct holocost research?
The Islamic world is another matter. It IS very much in the interest of Islam to debunk the holocost because since 1967 the top Jews have said all the goys of the world bear responsibility for the 6mlyn and this includes the Islamic world which stood by and did nothing.
Well, I met an Indian that thought he knew everything and asked me if I didn’t feel “guilty” when I said something. I don’t remember my exact words but I believe I said it was not true. People don’t usually say that in public. I wish everyone did but very few people will. Of course, in Europe you shouldn’t if you live in a repressive country that persecutes holohoax truth tellers but I was in South America when I met the Indian (from the country India).
Some interesting facts –
https://worldtruthvideos.website/watch/new-world-order-israel-is-rothschild_ltZJFGUOeBkYSNk.html
They should pay Germany for having the largest part of the 1/3 of stolen German territory give to them and for refusing to return the stolen land when they should have.
I am the son of two proud Germans that grew up in Hitler’s Germany. That is how most Germans were at that time. My parents were not “proud” of Hitler or the National Socialists, although they doubted and resented a lot that was said about them, NS or not, the non-stop outright hatred of Jews for Germans. I think when the war ended in 1945 my parents had very few thoughts about Jews up until that time. I don’t think Jews were widely discussed among the general population, among Hitler and the hierarchy yes, just as other enemies of Germany were. By the 1970’s Jewish power in the USA was obvious and their hatred for Germans was obvious and my parents were conscious of their role in the anti-German propaganda. I despise most of today’s Germans. I consider them disgusting. I consider myself German but most other Germans are disgusting garbage to me.
You make a valid point. However, since Asians don’t have “a dog in this fight”, that one fact insulates them from charges of “anti-semitism” and worse. A jew charging an Asian with “anti-semitism” would have a hard way to go because Asians just don’t care and would laugh it off.
All Asians have to do is verify the TRUTH about that “non-event” in human history.
Yup. I am sick to death of whining over Anne Frank, even as the Israelis slaughter innocent Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian women and children, and the world slaughters innocent Iraqis and others in wars for Israel.
“…The whitewashing of Nazi crimes is alive….”
In any impartial court the accusing party must prove, “beyond a reasonable doubt”, that the alleged crime has been committed, and whodunit. (the last word is just a little levity).
I invite you to review the thread in this blog, under American Pravda, “Denying the Holocaust”. Read the whole thread, including individual commentators.
What would you find? The holocaustians produce nothing but arm waving, synthetic outrage, crocodile tears, but nary a single item of verifiable forensic evidence to support their assertions.
Don’t you find that peculiar? Out of 6 million, sometimes 11 million, now officially 1 million victims, 271,000 died mostly of typhoid, as certified by the International Red Cross, it ought to be easy to provide such evidence, right?
What’s really peculiar is that the Deniers are able to produce scientific evidence that the holocaust could not have happened because scientific principles cannot be willy-nilly wished and waved away.
After you have read “Denying the Holocaust” herein, I invite you to read the transcripts of the Zuendel trials that were held in Toronto.
And you wonder why so few thinking people believe the regurgitated Greuelpropaganda, aka the holocaust.
They are indeed Nestbeschmutzer, ie. people who poop into their own nest or home. Disgusting.
However, not all Germans believe that swindel.
Last time I read about this, apparently there were 8,000 legal cases in Germany where people were dragged through the courts for denying or disbelieving so-called Offenkundigkeiten ie. court certified public knowledge about the continuing war propaganda.
Even a lawyer, defending her client so accused, was imprisoned for questioning the Offenkundigkeiten.
That’s why I believe that Germany is a cess pool politically and judicially.
Yes, you wrote of the brave and decent German lawyer Sylvia Stolz.
then list it under “fiction”
You think the proffered “$20 bill”, though it varied a lot and differed from what are usually presented as “$20 bills” might not have been fake?
Considering that Poland started WWII on behalf of Judea that would make Poland accessories to every crime that the Zionists committed ever since.
LOL. China does have its own Holofraud, and they are still milking Japanese with guilt just like the Hebrews do to Germany.
Otoh, since they have no skin in the game, a debunking of the myth by East Asian researchers would have a wholly different weight than a debunking by Islamic scholars.
Then the question is why would they do it? Why do historians research History? All knowledge doesn’t have an immediate application but it doesn’t hurt to have it. Plus, if I were an East Asian, and my ancestors had endured European colonialism and pseudo-Christian proselytism, I’d find it quite satisfactory to prove that Europeans are slaves to a myth and that the History that they teach to their children is utter bullshit.
The Asian researchers also have a wealth of material on the genocidal policies of the Opium empire of the Jewish Orthodox Sassoon family. Opium poisoning was imposed on China by British bayonets skillfully used by the murderous Sassoons. https://ia800703.us.archive.org/33/items/TheChineseOpiumWarsAndBritishJews/The%20Chinese%20Opium%20Wars%20and%20British%20Jews.pdf
The exposure of the “moral values” of the Brits during the Opium Wars in China (the same “values” are currently exposed in Ukraine).
Yes order and obedience take a higher place in the Asian mind than they do in the Caucasian mind but Asians have the same loves desires hates fears joys passions and goals that any other human being in the world has
More on the Sassoons’ Opium empire: https://sangam.org/taraki/articles/2005/11-25_The_Addiction_Trade_Wars.php?print=sangam
And then it was Russia’s turn to be converted into killing fields by international bankers (mostly Jews like Jacob Schiff) and their Bolshevic proteges such as Trotsky. The first Bolshevik government was 80% Jewish.
And “they” dare to squeal non-stop about ‘hitler.’ Lazar Kaganovich’s Holodomor alone exceeded any invented holobiz numbers. There were also massive crimes against humanity by Shaya Itsikovich (Goloshyokin, see the Goloshyokin Genocide of Kazakhs), Rozalia Zalkind (organizer of mass murder of a Russian officer corps), Yenok Iyeguda (Genrikh Yagoda), director of the NKVD (the Soviet security and intelligence agency) during the Red Terror. The list is long.
What did he say ? We are waiting for your explanation.
just sharing…
https://www.jewsandpolesdatabase.org/2022/04/09/anne-frank-nuance-censorship-of-this-bestseller-that-questions-the-anne-frank-narrative-and-the-holocaust-overattention-it-pro
motes-betrayals-of-jews-both-jewish-and-gentile-betrayers-faced-choicel/
and,
Lwow
https://www.jewsandpolesdatabase.org/2022/08/21/lwow-voivodship-detailed-village-by-village-catalogue-of-the-ukrainian-upa-genocide-of-poles-ukrainians-not-oppressed-by-poles-church-ownership-conflicts-pawlokoma-truth-siekierka-komanski-bulz/
Tarnopol
https://www.jewsandpolesdatabase.org/2019/11/04/ukrainian-upa-genocide-of-poles-komanski/
Wolyn
https://www.jewsandpolesdatabase.org/2019/11/04/ukrainian-upa-genocide-of-poles-siemaszko/
The Jews are seemingly well-adjusted to accepting any stinking matter with enthusiasm if the stinkiness promises any kind of profit. The cordial relationships between Nuland-Kagan and Ukrainian neo-Nazis is illustrious evidence of the Jewish moral flexibility and readiness to accept any rotten cause if it is “good for Jews.”
The Ziocon-cooked ongoing Ukrainian tragedy makes a loud counterpoint to any holobiz claims and quetching. American Jews in the US Congress are all Banderites now!
As for ever-treacherous Poles, they will be left among the most suffering from the Ziocon-designed war of Judea against Russia on the territory of Ukraine. It is obvious that Polish “leaders” are unable to show even shreds of decency in the context of the war against Russia waged by Zio-Banderites.
I was born in 1948 and in the early 1950s I came across my father’s mementos from the war. I remember an encrusted dagger, a solid silver swastika, and other now very valuable artifacts. I also remember the Frank story. It made very little impact on me. After all what does a 7 year old care about? Certainly not the fate of someone unknown to him. Long story short: my father didn’t relish the treasure he returned from the war with. If he had, he would never allowed me to touch them, because I lost them all, including my mother’s extensive war time scrapbook. Over a very short time I took them all to school for show and tells, or to flash about on the street corners, where kids much sharper than I borrowed them to never return them, and I never asked. This says as much about me as it does about a war vet who was only interested in working to support his family of 8. I believe he only wanted to forget and not to remember.
Anyway, the Ann Frank story is fiction, as is, the Biblical history of Moses. Now what do we do?
“Now what do we do?”
— Stop brainwashing our children with lies.
Although Jews who lost their property in our country as a result of the war have already received reparations twice…
Public Law No: 115-171 (05/09/2018)
Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act of 2017
(Sec. 2) This bill requires the Department of State to report to Congress assessing the national laws and enforceable policies of covered countries regarding the identification and return of, or restitution for, assets wrongfully seized or transferred during the Holocaust era, including:
the return to the rightful owner of wrongfully seized or transferred property, including religious or communal property, or the provision of comparable substitute property or the payment of equitable compensation;
the restitution of heirless property to assist needy Holocaust survivors; and
progress on the resolution of claims for U.S.-citizen Holocaust survivors and family members.
“Covered countries” are participants in the 2009 Holocaust Era Assets Conference that are determined by the State Department, in consultation with expert nongovernmental organizations, to be countries of particular concern relative to the restitution of Holocaust-era assets.
A few years ago, Jewish organisations estimated the value of lost Jewish property in Poland at 230 billion zlotys. Estimates by the World Organization for the Restitution of Jewish Property put it as high as $300 billion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Righteous_Among_the_Nations_by_country
Imagine if the Zionized US Department of State applied laws of this kind uniformly. What would Israel have to pay to the disenfranchised gentiles who have been expelled, killed, and brutalized in and around greater Israel over the past 75 years?
And what would be the appropriate compensation to Palestinians and Syrians for lands confiscated by the ever-expanding Jewish state since 1948–all done in the name of the Jewish people? What we are witnessing is a vast criminal enterprise that is headquartered in Jerusalem and Washington.
These unprincipled, pro-Zionist double-standards are a disgrace to American law and our nation’s reputation. As it is, the US deservedly owes untold billions to the people of Iraq and Libya alone for the unjustified wars we unleashed upon them. But there shall be no compensation to these hapless gentiles for our nation’s ongoing criminality.
Unlawful, Zio-centric US policies amount to little more than an organized shakedown of less powerful people by a cabal of powerful, predatory globalists.
Correction: it is never dual-loyalty but a “uni-loyalty”…as confirmed by many Jewish immigrants to US from Poland or Hungary or Russia, they never consider other than being Jewish. That applies for this country are they Americans or Jewish, never both? Where is Kirk Danielovitch motherland?
Thank you! Sanest comment here. So much of human behavior is subconscious and fearful that open minded, openhearted wisdom is rare. We cannot resolve the neurobiological facts that we are violent, exploitative predators and enforcers of social dominance hierarchies with the neurobiological potential of care-giving and mutual cooperation. Our own worst reactionary enemies over millenia!
Fair question.
Meanwhile, Jon Stewart joined Kagans’ clan in celebrating Ukrainian neo-Nazis.
“Jon Stewart and the Pentagon honor Ukrainian Nazi at Disney World:” https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/31/jon-stewart-pentagon-ukrainian-nazi-disney/
Both YouTube and Rumbler censored Jimmi Dore’s show about Jon Stewart’s participation in the Disneyland ceremony glorifying the Azov’s Nazis.
Jon Stewart, Department of Defense, honor Azov Batallion Nazis at Disney World
Team Ukraine performs a fascist salute in front of a Department of Defense banner
The US Army is all Banderites now?
Jews throughout world “Declared war on Germany, an economic war of a world-wide boycott of Germany. They had infested so many of the more proserous nations and just as they for had for millenia through wile and wickedness had considerable influence among the powerful nations the world. Surely, just as a matter of survival would round up these avowed enemies of the state.
A Leibowitz honours nazis in a place owned by the tribe where paedophiles proliferate. How odd. Or perhaps not.
Imagine if the Zionized US Department of State applied laws of this kind uniformly.
No one gets any compensation for what was taken by Communist regimes, during the Cold War, and why should they? Governments expropriate property all the time.
There was a well founded claim that Madeleine Albright’s family had helped themselves to valuable artworks and antique silverware which belonged to an exiled family in Prague. But they don’t have to return anything.
Ann Frank was a made up story just like the Holocaust, 911, WW1 and 2…etc….And now in the future bad things will happen. Most people just care about football, rock concerts and having a good time
You mean we are all golem psychopaths under the skin? Pathwhisperer (dot info)
“There was a well founded claim that Madeleine Albright’s family had helped themselves to valuable artworks and antique silverware which belonged to an exiled family in Prague. But they don’t have to return anything.” Yes, it’s a very interesting story on its own and maybe even more interesting because it was completely ignored by the American media and the rest of the world except for by at least one newspaper in the Czech Republic, “The Prague Post”. Albright’s Wikipedia bio has a small paragraph on the dispute and completely misrepresents the circumstances behind the valuable art
works Albright’s father stole.
Albright is Jewish and her father was a Czech diplomat and they moved to Great Britain at around the time Germany took over Czechoslovakia in 1938. The family returned to Czechoslovakia immediately after the war and her father was given the home of one of the 3 and 1/2 million ethnic Germans that were expelled from their homes in Czechoslovakia and had all of their property stolen from them except for a few pounds of belongings they were allowed to take with them when they were forced to flee to Germany. Albright’s father was given the home of a wealthy German industrialist in Prague.
The Prague Post had a very good article on the circumstances behind the art theft but I could no longer find that article when I looked for it a while back. Sometime after the collapse of communism in eastern Europe (1990) the descendants of the family whose home was given to Albright’s father made a claim against Albright, saying she had valuable artwork her father had taken from their family and they asked that she return the artworks. The Prague Post interviewed the Czech housekeeper of the German family (who was still alive) and if I remember correctly, she tried to hide the valuable art works in the house where they would not be seen. She said that she could see Albright’s father searching all around the house for something and it was the artworks that were taken and never seen again. Contrary to the post war narrative that all Czechs and Germans hated each other, they did not and the Czech housekeeper tried to prevent the Germans valuable art from being stolen.
When pressed by someone to answer the question if she had the German family’s stolen artworks, Madeleine Albright gave a very disingenuous answer. She said they were all obtained legally. That might be true, as in 1945 after Germany surrendered, the Czech leader Benes made it the law that everything the 3 and 1/2 million Germans expelled from Czechoslovakia owned would be taken from them (stolen) and was now Czech property. And contrary to what is referred to as “stolen” Jewish artwork by the “NAZIS”, the “NAZIS” did not steal Jewish property. Many or most Jews sold their property before leaving Germany and starting in the 1990’s made additional claims, claiming they did not receive market value for their property and have then had the artwork given to their descendants but they never return the money they received when they sold the artwork.
I saw a discussion or presentation in which the famous Czech playwright and post communism president of the Czech Republic Václav Havel was present with Madeleine Albright. I think it might have been a discussion on a book Albright wrote about her life. They were relaxed and having a good time when they were answering questions and someone had the nerve to ask Albright about the stolen artworks. You could sense the mood change immediately. It might have been then that Albright said the artworks were obtained “legally”. When Vaclav Havel was asked about this, I believe his answer was he thought the focus should be on “stolen” Jewish artwork (not German). The 3 and 1/2 million ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia had far more stolen from them than what Czech Jews lost in the war. My opinion of Vaclav Havel was not as high after seeing that.
Historical note. What became Czechoslovakia after WW I had been part of the Austrian Empire and later the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Germans and Czechs were part of and citizens of Austria until those lands were taken from the Austria-Hungary in 1919.
With all the land, money, property, power, prestige, goodwill, etc. that was mindlessly transferred to Jews after WWII, with little regard for merit, or the actual behavior of Jews as a group, Jews have made out extremely well from whatever did happen during WWII. That small group of people, many of whom were/are not even living in Germany or countries occupied by Germany, have benefited for little or nothing, and often at the expense of the people and nations who fought against Germany. As the “victorious” nations fall apart, Jews have prospered and grown more powerful. It’s odd how that has worked out.
If the Holocaust were mostly fabricated, there should be hell to pay for Jews in general. The average Jew is just as guilty and silent for obvious crimes and aggression as they claim Germans were. Jews claim to love justice, and they have lots to answer for as a group. I’m not banking on Jews hauling themselves to the courts or gallows on their own initiative.
It’s pretty odd that Jewish and German crimes are two of the main topics that are off limits for conversation in many parts of the world. The reasons that the topics are forbidden is to protect one group and to slander another, but Jews alone benefit in both cases.
Consider all of the art and artefacts seized by Soviet forces; there was no such thing as ‘Monument Men’ in the Red Army. It was not taken or transported with the intent to catalogue and conserve but rather as souvenirs and booty. I imagine a great deal of it has been damaged, lost or melted down.
There are no good guys? If the holocaust is the scam that it seems to be, and it is used to prop up a system or ruling class that has caused real harm all over the world, then those who merely question or deny the holocaust are automatically on a higher moral and intellectual plane that the people who support, propagate, and benefit from the holocaust story.
Supporting the holocaust and benefiting from doing so is far easier than questioning the events. Questioning the holocaust is an uphill battle against the whole system, with the likelihood of real punishment, and few rewards, in store.
It seems you don’t want to discuss the well-documented property theft by “holobiz survivor” Korbelov and his deprived family. https://www.jta.org/archive/wealthy-austrian-family-claims-albrights-father-stole-paintings-2
No wonder a decent person was amazed by the depravity of Korbelovs. Since the theft was flashed in the media, Korbelova-Albright exposed herself as a maniacal war criminal: “Madeleine Albright endorses the killing of over 500,000 children in Iraq:” http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Articles/madalbright.html
Denis Halliday, former Humanitarian Coordinator of the UN
“Smashing the little ones against the rock” in Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Serbia, and, with the help of Ziocons-directed Ukrainian Nazis, in Eastrn Ukraine.
Two murderous witches covered in the blood of the innocent:
Eisenhower’s photo in his West Point Yearbook was captioned, “The Terrible Swedish Jew.”
Hey Nick, I’ve posed this same question again and again, on many websites over the years, and I never seem to get a straight answer.
Maybe you can clarify things for me.
Here goes:
Why should I give a fat rat’s ass if Anne Frank and her six million co-ethnics did actually perish according to the many lurid tales, when somewhere around 52 million Christian gentiles perished in all manner of agony during the very same tragic conflict?
Hope you can help.
All the best.
IW said:
This video tour of Auschwitz certainly seems real enough.
Were the Holocaust narrative promulgated these last 80 years to have serious doubt cast upon its veracity, the post-war moral order could potentially take a critical hit. But too many powerful parties have prospered from the official narrative, so they have a vested interest in maintaining it, even if they know it or suspect it to be false.
I used to think those who questioned the official narrative fell into the same class of lunatics to which flat-earthers belong, but when so much effort is expended to maintain a story, one soon begins to think that our powerful parties already suspect the official narrative to be fundamentally false and so will not even allow it to be subjected to the same objective and critical scrutiny that has been applied to other historic events.
The archives were opened and the new numbers, 1.1 million, no longer 4 million, accepted by all responsible zionists in 1992. Search “auschwitz death totals” in the Jerusalem Post or NY Times if interested.
All responsible zionists also now regard accounts of human fat soap or human skin lampshades as hyperbole.
The Anne Frank Foundation lists her and her sister’s death as being due to typhus.
New plaque.
And even the new plaque propagates a big lie.
Why not use the Auschwitz death books data, and the report published by the International Red Cross, after the war?
We all know the answer to that, don’t we? Because these reasonable numbers are way too low to keep the Niagara Falls of money going to the Jews, along with the public’s response of “So What?”.
Besides, it would make the Germans look like choir boys compared to the bestiality of the allies. And we cannot have that, right?
The allies? That’s not what they’re trying to deflect from. It’s the tens of millions of innocent Christian lives that were snuffed out by their Bolshevik relatives.
The obvious: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-open-thread-2022-145.html#comments
Jon Stewart, Department of Defense honor Nazis of Azov Batallion at Disney World
Mazel Tov, the Jewish Lobby and your cordial friends Banderites!
Jews for Nazis!
https://rumble.com/v1ifttj-jon-stewart-presents-medal-to-ukrainian-nazi-at-disney-world.html
Why give such cowardly advice, Peter? Why NOT say it … anywhere!!! Say it! If people don’t stand up for what they believe, they will only be forced to say what they don’t believe. I am shocked and saddened by your words.
Maddie is already burning in Hell with Ruth Ginsberg. Hillary will be joining them soon enough.
Then be shocked and saddened. I don’t consider it cowardly. I consider your suggestion stupid. I would suggest speaking out in countries that will not throw you in jail. I respect those brave people that speak out in countries where its illegal but I’m not going to advise someone to do something that will get them thrown in jail. Perhaps if I take that step myself then I will advise others to do it too. Have you publicly spoken out against the holohoax lies in countries where it is illegal?
My friend. Let me teach you the PROPER way to behave at German Court of Law (aka Holohoax Femegericht)
Gerichtsdiener. Götz von Berlichingen wartet vor der Tür.
Rat (Ursula von der fuckin’ Leinen). Laßt ihn herein. (Götz kommt.)
Götz. Gott grüß euch, ihr Herrn, was wollt ihr mit mir?
Rat. Zuerst, daß Ihr bedenkt: wo Ihr seid? und vor wem?
Götz. Bei meinem Eid, ich verkenn euch nicht, meine Herrn.
Rat. Ihr tut Eure Schuldigkeit.
Götz. Von ganzem Herzen.
Rat. Setzt Euch.
Götz. Da unten hin? Ich kann stehn. Das Stühlchen riecht so nach armen Sündern, wie überhaupt die ganze Stube.
Rat. So steht! Götz. Zur Sache, wenn’s gefällig ist.
Rat. Wir werden in der Ordnung verfahren.
Götz. Bin’s wohl zufrieden, wollt, es wär von jeher geschehen.
Rat. Ihr wißt, wie Ihr auf Gnad und Ungnad in unsere Hände kamt.
Götz. Was gebt Ihr mir, wenn ich’s vergesse?
Rat. Wenn ich Euch Bescheidenheit geben könnte, würd ich Eure Sache gut machen.
Götz. Gut machen! Wenn Ihr das könntet! Dazu gehört freilich mehr als zum Verderben.
Schreiber. Soll ich das alles protokollieren?
Rat. Was zur Handlung gehört.
Götz. Meinetwegen dürft Ihr’s drucken lassen.
……..
Götz. Was soll das?
Rat. Ihr wollt nicht hören. Fangt ihn!
Götz. Ist das die Meinung? Wer kein ungrischer Ochs ist, komm mir nicht zu nah! Er soll von dieser meiner rechten eisernen Hand eine solche Ohrfeige kriegen, die ihm Kopfweh, Zahnweh und alles Weh der Erden aus dem Grund kurieren soll. (Sie machen sich an ihn, er schlägt den einen zu Boden, und reißt einem andern die Wehre von der Seite, sie weichen.) Kommt! Kommt! Es wäre mir angenehm, den Tapfersten unter euch kennenzulernen.
Rat. Gebt Euch.
Götz. Mit dem Schwert in der Hand! Wißt Ihr, daß es jetzt nur an mir läge, mich durch alle diese Hasenjäger durchzuschlagen und das weite Feld zu gewinnen? Aber ich will Euch lehren, wie man Wort hält. Versprecht mir ritterlich Gefängnis, und ich gebe mein Schwert weg und bin wie vorher Euer Gefangener.
IT IS WONDERFUL !!!
I STILL HAVE THIS DUAL-LANGUAGE BOOK.
Thanks but I’m sorry, I never learned German and it loses some of its meaning using the translator.
Yes, in Germany and in Poland. While in “Death Camp” memorial “museums” too! Nothing happened. But I didn’t get on a soapbox and make a speech! It was in situations like you are giving here: personal conversations. It is even allowed, because the laws specify that they don’t apply to personal conversation. However, in the camp situations, others visibly overheard and I received some looks. Would that be too intimidating for you?
I disagreed with the tour guide several times at Auschwitz, and complained about the way we were rushed through the crematory and “gas chamber” (after which two others came up and thanked me for it). I expressed doubts when in the “gas chamber” at Dachau, criticized the fake “burial site” of alleged ashes nearby and, walking back along the road with two men who spoke English, told them I didn’t believe the Dachau horror stories and why; they just quietly said they were shocked to hear that and disagreed. In the bookstore, the friendly lady in charge listened to my views, smiled and chatted, never once disagreeing. I have to say I was surprised at that. In Buchenwald, I openly commented that crematory ovens were not proof of “murder” and there was no proof of such in the whole camp. Nor was the concrete “autopsy table” in the next room, which was meant to give visitors the chills, sending their imaginations into orbit. Most people respond just as intended. I think it’s because they WANT to believe it; it’s more exciting that way. Common sense is not exciting.
In other words, you won’t be “thrown in jail” unless you are being very public about it, with the intention of converting people en masse to your “illegal” view. Stop exaggerating the danger.
Well, good for you. As I said in my comment, in personal conversations I openly voice my opinion too. I am not an expert on the specifics of the law. I just know it’s against the law in some countries so I advised against it. Perhaps you have not read of this but I have read in the media of a Jew overhearing something they were offended by in a conversation (I believe it was in France) and they arrested or at brought a guy in for questioning for what he said. I’m sure there were other cases like that too. I won’t take anything I said back. If it annoys you so much it’s no more annoying than you are.
I’ll second you on that. In France, if you’re having a private conversation on the subject, be careful with whom you are having it and be careful who may overhear it. There’s no such thing as ‘private’ in France if someone belonging to a “victimised” minority hears you and feels offended by what you say.
I wonder if it is allowed in France to mention the ideological purity of the followers of Stepan Bandera (a famous Nazi collaborator and major war criminal in his own right), who are currently in charge of Ukraine.
Is it OK to point out the neo-Nazi ideology and Nazi tattoos decorating the warriors of the Ukrainian National Guard? The European Jewish Community must be faceplanted again and again into its devotion to the Nazification of Ukraine by the US Ziocons (all of whom are from the holobiz-survivors’ families).
The rightful heirs of the bloody Bolsheviks are cheerleading the Judea war on Russia and the death of tens of thousands of Slavic people. The scope of exposure of the Zio-Nazism (Zio-Fascism?) in Ukraine is breathtaking.
I didn’t say “annoy.”
I do question the depth of commitment of your anonymous “tag team” here that are afraid to be ID’d and who pass around mostly hearsay* and gossip, or else quote some big chunk of text from someone else’s writing. What do you think you’re really accomplishing?
Oh wow, I’m quaking in my boots. That convinces me never to let out a peep in France! Robert Faurisson, a French citizen, wrote and spoke out publicly in France under his own well known name and was brought to court many times but never sent to prison. No, it isn’t easy. But he was committed to Truth in a serious way, and never backed down. I’m sure he never regretted it. Why encourage people to be cowards? I’m only hoping you’ll think about it and reconsider.
And if you don’t know that much about the laws, why speak about them as if you do? This goes for your entire anonymous team mates. What it will take is more people speaking truth under their own names, not less. Speaking up is contagious (as is fear of it and anonymity contagious), so that’s why it must be encouraged under all circumstances.
Do you mind pointing out just what is stupid about it and why you think so? I’m a little baffled at that, considering you’re a holohoax fighter.
It seems that the holocaust story was needed to support the Allied WWII story and to justify and hide the crimes of the Allies, which were major. The pre-war elites made a deal with the devil and the devil won. The same was done with the Civil Rights movement, which was the final nail in the Old Order’s coffin.
“Suzuki’s compassion is for Annelies, who was so cruelly used by these criminal fraudsters, but he expresses not enough outrage at those who exploited her posterity. ”
How thoughtful and compassionate of Mr. Suzuki. Any outrage expressed at those who cruelly deported her to Bergen-Belsen?
Any outrage expressed by you at the ADL (created in memory of a rapist and murderer Leo Frank)? The ADL thugs have been harassing and physically assaulting honest historians who found an enormous discrepancy between the memes of the profitable holobiz schema and facts of physics and chemistry.
How about the Jewish Lobby approval of the Nazification of Ukraine accomplished after the Nuland-Kagan’s successful coup in Kiev? The coup was run in collaboration with self-proclaimed Nazis. Check their tattoos.
How about the Jewish comedian Jon Stewart honoring self-proclaimed Nazis in Disney World?
After US Ziocons installed “their Yatz” in Kiev, Ukraine made amazing strides towards the recognition of prominent Nazi collaborators. Stepan Bandera has become a Hero of Ukraine. Mazel Tov, Kagans clan!
A monument to Bandera in Lwow:
And who can forget the incomparable Lazar Kaganovich, the Butcher of Ukraine and First Secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine? Do Holodomor and its 6-8 million victims ring a bell for you? https://khpg.org/en/1265217823
There was also the Goloschyokin Genocide of Kazakhs; 40% of all Kazakh population was eliminated under the direction of Philipp Goloschyokin (born Shaya Itsikovich). They do not teach about this in American schools. Too inconvenient for holobiz profiteers.
No. I won’t reconsider. You’re a little baffled? Then that is your problem. You are rude and you attack everyone like a vicious dog with rabies.
https://www.reuters.com/world/germany-agrees-28-mln-compensation-families-munich-olympics-victims-2022-09-02/
Hey, Germany finally found out they owe 28 million in compensation for the Munich Olympics 50 years ago.
The 1 day boycott that came to nothing? Which was made in response to attacks by the SA against Jewish businesses from early January and February leading into March of 1933.
Read the 2 page famed newspaper article on March 24, Judea Declares War on Germany– which no single conspiracy theorist has managed to do since it was originally published. David Irving embarrassed himself by claiming this sensational headline was the sole motive for the Holocaust in his London Forum speech. The rest of these claims are likewise bunk.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y8JFv3wP49M
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ySVqJg5FMI
Lol, clearly someone who learns from soundbites.
Untermyer tried to rally support from the Jewish communities throughout the 1930s up to his death in 1940 and none would support him, he later turned on the Jews and attacked them for their own disinterest to get behind him–they eventually blocked his newspaper ads, it’s quite ironic how conspiracy theorists present him as being well supported and leading the Jews when it was the exact opposite.
Jacob Schiff supported the February revolution into the Provisional Government that was overthrown by the Bolsheviks in October of 1917.
At least credit him accurately with the correct revolution of 1917. You can tell how unstudied a person is on the Russian Revolution when it’s assumed only one had occured in 1917. The Provisional Government that Schiff supported walked away and allowed for Lenin’s rise in October.
The only millionaires who largely supported the Bolsheviks came from Russians themselves, whether it’s Antony Sutton or Richard B Spence, no evidence linking Schiff to the Bolsheviks has ever been established.
The rest of your claims on Soviet history are likewise on poor ground, like saying Yagoda led the Red Terror (confusing the Red Terror of 1918 with the Great Terror of 1936-1938). Stalin never even trusted or liked Yagoda.
The Jews represented at its high less than 13% of the Bolshevik party leadership in 1917, by 1922 this was down to 5%. Your bunkum claim of 80% is taken from a hoax party leadership list invented by Robert Wilton who provided surnames only (quite comical) and applied them to persons and roles which either never existed or were held by said person(s).
Paddy, is that you?
“Physician Who Witnessed Interrogation of Rakovsky During Trotskyite Trials, Lifted the Veil of the Global Crime Syndicate” https://www.winterwatch.net/2022/08/physician-who-witnessed-interrogation-of-rakovsky-during-trotskyite-trials-lifts-the-veil-of-the-global-crime-syndicate/
I don’t have any independent knowledge, but this is fascinating reading.
It was far more than Robert Wilton who claimed heavy Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik revolution. For more information, please read my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2022/04/29/jewish-involvement-in-the-bolshevik-revolution/.
Oh, I think this is all outrageous, but what you are doing here is a mere whataboutism-excess.
The occupation and concentration camp economies depended on the black market. Even the SS camp staff were up to the eyeballs involved in it (and many, like the real life Amon Goetz, were arrested by the SS in consequence). If involvement in the black market was a crime deserving concentration camping then pretty much everyone in West Europe and the camp staff should have been imprisoned as well.
A few minutes later
You don’t need to depend on White propaganda to establish the Jewish influence in the Bolsheviks leadership–simply cross reference each party position and who held them, 13% is the max percentage from 1917. Your article just repeats propaganda spread by the White Army.
Reporters from 1917-1921 was disinterested in the party–they only kept to familiar faces of those who led the October revolution. For example the first time these old Bolsheviks became known in the West was in, ‘Makers of the Russian Revolution; Biographies of Bolshevik Leaders’ by Georges Haupt and Jean-Jacques Marie (1974).
To establish that Jews somehow led the Bolsheviks (they actually held more influence in the Bund and Mensheviks than the Bolsheviks) why this low 13% in the party leadership? Why did both the White and Red Army also promote attacks on the Jews, if allegedly secretly being led by the Jews? see, ‘Antisemitism and the Russian Revolution’ by Brendan McGeever
For some further reading on these fables, see: https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25117
Two remarks.
First, Lviv aka Lvyv aka Lvov aka Lwow aka Lemberg was part of Poland between WWI and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and was the third largest Polish city after Warszaw and Lodz during that period.
Second, the majority of people on the territory of today’s Ukraine that was then part of the USSR and where the Judeo-Bolsheviks organised the Holodomor don’t want to be Ukraine any more. They want to be part of the Russian Federation.
So, if I were Russian, I would keep the name Republic of Ukraine after integrating those territories in the Russian Federation. Heck, I would even grant them the largest autonomy possible. They are the original Ukrainians, not the Galician usurpers.
The Jews were more overly represented in Italian Fascism than they ever were in Bolshevism or Revolutionary Russia, yet this framing is never used when describing Fascism. Mussolini himself even had a Jewish mistress, Margherita Sarfatti.
For a short summary of the First Government of 1917 into Wilton and these usual conspiracy claims, see a former believers’ response below.
There were Jews in the Bolshevik party, but they never dominated it:
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1340829/
I have read through the comments on the link you gave me to The Skeptics Forum. These comments were made without giving specific book and page number references. Please give me specific book and page number references (as I did in my article) so that I can ascertain the validity of the statements made on The Skeptics Forum.
I just read an old comment of yours. Why do you think the media hates Pamela Smart and her dead husband? Just a mindless mob thing?
Meyer Levin wrote a nasty review of the Marx Bros.’ finest film, DUCK SOUP, which proved only that he DID NOT GET IT. So screw him.
Why the obnoxious and condescending tone?
“no evidence linking Schiff to the Bolsheviks has ever been established”
— Have you heard about Schiff’s role in the Russo-Japanese war of 1905? No? How come? This is like forgetting about the 2014 coup in Kiev when discussing the current operation for the de-Nazification of Ukraine.
— What faction did Bronstein (Trotsky) belong? Even “The Times of Israel” drops the words “a link between Schiff and Trotsky.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/trotskys-day-out-how-a-visit-to-nyc-influenced-the-bolshevik-revolution/ “
So magnanimous of the revisionist Ackerman. Yet, “Trotsky was back in Russia, playing a leading role in the October Revolution.”
Does Ackerman satisfy your demands?
“Russo-Japanese War – financed by Jacob Schiff” https://strangeside.com/russo-japanese-war-financed-by-jacob-schiff/
The usual genocidal hatred of “Amalek,” which reveals itself again and again while trumping any shred of decency:
Currently, the Usurers are in arms against Russia, driven by the same unquenching desire to loot and kill.
Bibliography:
Best, Gary Dean. “Financing a Foreign War: Jacob H. Schiff and Japan, 1904-05.” American Jewish Historical Review no. 61 1971/72; 2) Birmingham, Stephen. Our Crowd: The Great Jewish Families of New York. New York: Harper & Row, 1967; 3) Cohen, Naomi Wiener. Jacob H. Schiff: a Study in American Jewish Leadership. Hanover, N.H.: Brandeis University Press, 1999; 4) Adler, Cyrus. Jacob H. Schiff. Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society, 1947.)
No doubt that Russia was eyed for looting by all kinds of Banksters, some of them were Jewish, some not: https://rielpolitik.com/2020/01/26/hidden-history-who-financed-bolshevik-revolution/
On the alleged innocence of Jews in the Bolshevic terror in Russia:
https://themuslimtimes.info/2020/07/19/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish/
https://justice4poland.com/2019/04/10/who-financed-lenin-and-trotsky/
I am aware of Schiff’s financing the Japanese in their Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905, largely made in response to the 1903 Kishinev pogrom which left 49 dead and was initiated by Pavel Krushevan, who is credited as being sole author or co-author of The Protocols which he published a few months afterwards–strangely Pavel was raised by his Jewish stepmother and his sister later ran away to the United States and married a Jew and became a convert. Pavel was also a queer has confessed too in his private diary recently acquired by the Hoover Institution.
Had Pavel never started to Kishinev massacre it’s unlikely Schiff would have been as outraged leading to the incurring events of the 20th century. Pavel is never talked about for some reason.
Ken Ackerman author of Trotsky in New York. 1917 is not in agreement with you, which you appear to think he is? Schiff supported the overthrow of Tsarism into the February Revolution and the Provisional Government–by March of 1917 his objective was complete has he reported at the time. Yet you think he contradicts hid previous 12 years efforts to then somehow side with the Bolsheviks who overthrew everything he had supported?
Trotsky had no faction, he originally sided with the Mensheviks in 1903 by 1904 he became a free agent–only with the events of February 1917 caused him to return and align with Lenin and the Bolsheviks, Lenin kept him around for his influence has a speaker and Red Army–yet his past with Lenin never went away.
The Japanese used Schiff’s money to fund the revolutionary movements in Russia and Finland, yet Schiff had no part in how these funds were used following 1904 into the 1905 Russian Revolution.
Those old claims of Trotsky being financed by New York bankers on his return have been dismissed by Richard B. Spence, author of Wall Street and the Russian Revolution, 1905-1925. Such as Trotsky supposedly receiving $10,000, nothing was found when he was searched–neither did he somehow require a passport, he already had one. Antony Sutton who is not a creditable author even dismisses such Jew-led conspiracy theories.
Why would Trotsky need money from New York bankers when his own family had millionaires? Even his millionaire mentor, Alexander Parvus helped fund him. Lev did not need any of Schiff’s money.
Lev didn’t need to secure funding from a New York banker because he already secured funding from a Berlin banker.
The phrase “a distinction without a difference” comes to mind, for some odd reason.
Considering that the Jews were restricted to the Pale of Settlement how was the 1905 Russian Revolution supposedly a Jew-led movement? Prior to 1905 there were 1000s of worker strikes–no revolutionaries were required for all of these uprisings.
This outcome came from Russia’s late 1800s industrialization with investments dependent upon the West where exports in grain were used to pay resulting in the peasantry becoming discontented in their land reform appeals–the wealth gained resulted in famine with nothing reinvested back into the peasantry who worked the land. They were moving into the cities living in poor conditions and working up to 16 hour days.
The Bolsheviks did gain some support though at this time from Leonid Krasin, who had been badly treated and being wealthy was motivated against the Tsarist autocracy as with many of Russia’s wealthy, like the Morozovs. It’s always presented as if money only existed in New York, the same with Lenin’s return from Germany. There was no secret money held in gold, funds at this time was largely from the sales of condoms. As mentioned, Japanese money placed a more influential role–yet no conspiracy theorists ever discusses any of this context.
You mean, when an arsonist’s attack compromises the structural integrity of your house, but the weakened structure crushes later under the final assault of other thugs, the initiator of the disaster has nothing to do with your woes?
What is this if not an act of arson?
Here is how the “other thugs” were educated and primed by the enterprising Schiff:
What about the confession of the arsonist’s daughter?
Do you understand that the expansive Bankers clan (was not Schiff reared at Rothchild’s household?) was working on destroying the Russians State – and Russian people – while inspired by vicious, unquenchable hatred? This manifestation of mental abnormality was not a singular case. Jews were expelled again and again not because they were honest and kind neighbors.
Currently, the world observes an active collaboration of American Jews with SELF-PROCLAIMED Nazis in Ukraine. And this is after 70 years of using holobiz memes (nazi & hitler) for spectacular profit. The ADL (Jewish Lobby) created an apologia for the Ukrainian Nazis (Banderites).
Where is the voice of the Jewish Community at large? Any moral fiber? Some decency?
Seeking the emancipation of the Jews from under Tsarism does not translate to supporting the overthrow of the Provisional Government–by the Bolsheviks.
You are jumping around from 1904-1905 into October 1917, as I already mentioned Schiff’s objective was completed by February 1917. The Tsarist autocracy came to and end, as did the Pale of Settlement. He had no reason to advocate the overthrow of the Provisional Government which he had supported. The Rothschild’s were already in Russia before 1905, they operated the Baku oil fields.
Tsar Nicholas II was against pogroms of the Jews, even though he became fixated in 1911 on the Mendel Belis trial. Pavel Krushevan was the trigger for Schiff resulting from the 1903 Kishinev pogrom, started by the first publisher and either sole author or co-author of the Protocols.
You’re just an ignorant fool, who’s lived his life immersed in a sea of dishonest historical propaganda.
There’s very strong evidence that Schiff played a central role in funding the Bolsheviks. Numerous contemporaneous sources of the highest quality attest to that fact, and decades later, Schiff’s own grandson stated that it was true.
You might want to read my article on that subject, and perhaps a much longer, later article on closely related matters:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-secrets-of-military-intelligence/
The only reason these facts aren’t more widely known is that for 50-60 years they were excluded from mainstream articles and textbooks.
Only a totally propagandized imbecile could make that claim. The top Bolshevik leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish, as absolutely everyone knows, even though only about 4% of Czarist Russia’s population came from that background. Arguing otherwise is like declaring that rocks fall upward. Perhaps you’ll next claim that almost none of the Neocons are Jewish.
You seem a newcomer here, and a particularly ignorant one.
Revolutionary Russia did not need a Schiff–in the late 1800s on average 300 Government officials was assassinated each month, Tsarism was collapsing before Schiff even took any interest in the emancipation of the Jews of Russia. You should study at least the 1903 Kishinev pogrom and Pavel Krushevan if you’re going to complain about Schiff’s reaction into 1904.
As mentioned, Russia had their own Rothschilds who supported along with Schiff the overthrow of the Tsarist rule. You would benefit from learning of the social conditions of Russia since the emancipation of the serfs in 1861–it’s as though you just start at 1904 with Schiff and have no background of Revolutionary Russia.
Dear Mr. Suzuki
Who are you? What is your bio? You seem to be invisible. I doubt you are really Asian. The Anne Frank story and authenticity as every recycled Holocaust denial story that Unz publishes ad nauseam, is a like beating a dead horse. It is over. All of this has been proven to the majority of the real world.
Continual denial is the work of mental deranged and the business of at most several thousand delusion people. I guess what I mean is who cares at this point? You view point is written to an audience of maybe 10,000 people in the world. You are like John Wear are convincing no one, except for the die hard conspiracist.
Please clue us in on your credentials to be involved in such a study that has gone on for years. Aren’t you more fake than Anne Frank. I googled the only person who came up was a scientist. So who is calling who fake.
Who are you?
and
Who cares about Anne Frank?
Look who is calling the kettle black.
Who is a Jew Ron? Mother? Father? Grandparent? Uncle. Pseudo name? You can prove nothing about what Jews were involved in the revolution. Yes the Jews were overrepresented, but they were not Jews. They eschewed religion and denounced Judaism. The Bolsheviks (Christian or otherwise) were against all religion
The majority of Bolsheviks had Christian backgrounds. The only think they all had in common were they represented godlessness.
How are you books selling on Amazon? Your revision of WW2 ? Is it selling? Your clam that the Holocaust never happened. How is that working out?
How is your big conspiracy selling regarding Covid being a US PSYOP bio warfare scheme.No one reads your stuff except the Jew haters on this site who are borderline psychotic.
Big question Ron is why do you keep publishing phonies and and paid Chinese shills like Romanoff, who is a despicable thief and liar, bought and paid for by China. Godfrey Roberts? LOL a paid Chinese shill. And who the fuck is Jung Feund or what ever his name is. And who is this Suzuki guy, calling Anne Frank a a phony.
These articles are repetitive. The same H denial over and over, by pseudo writers. Ron the shelf date on these subjects are past their due date. Just read commentaries. Aren’t you somewhat embarrassed at the diminishing intelligence on this site?
The old Jewish isn’t a race, it’s a religion ploy.
Just because they were atheists, doesn’t mean they suddenly lost their Jewish ethnicity.
Sure, the Bolsheviks were obviously militant atheists so it’s logically impossible for any of them to have been Jewish.
Similarly, I think almost all of Israel’s leaders since its founding have been atheists or agnostics. So obviously, almost none of Israel’s leaders have been Jewish…
Once again Fran Taubman is attempting to “keep the whole diseased (holocaust™) temple” from collapsing on its own lies and fabrications.
It takes approximately 100 years for the historical record to correct itself, freeing itself from the propaganda imposed by the victors.
Attempts to forestall this collapse by criminalizing the search for truth will fail. Merely passing laws criminalizing any investigation into holocaust™ claims is PROOF itself that the holocaust™ is indeed “the hoax of the twentieth century”.
–the planning, the leadership, and especially the financing [of the Russian revolution] came entirely from outside Russia, mostly from financiers in Germany, Britain, and the United States. …the Rothschild Formula played a major role in shaping these events. …
The Rothschild Formula? Russia had their own wealthy millionaires who supported the downfall of Tsarism and the Bolsheviks like the Morozovs, one of the richest families in Russia. German funds mostly came from Parvus who was Trotsky’s mentor (Trotsky is remembered today for his idea of permanent revolution–this idea originated from Parvus). There were also obscure people like Georg Sklarz and Jacob Fuerstenberg in Germany.
— Sources outside of Russia, which were hostile to the Tsarist regime, paid for the printing of Marxist propaganda and had it delivered to the prison camps. Russian-speaking revolutionaries were trained in New York and sent to distribute the pamphlets among the prisoners and to indoctrinate them into rebellion against their own government
This paragraph confuses events prior to 1900, such as the propaganda published by George Kennon famously in his, Siberia And The Exile System (1894). Then the Japanese using Schiff’s money to spread anti Tsarist material during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905. To then confuse with supposed Russian revolutionaries of 1917 who were in New York being trained? Lol, they were there 10 weeks, like Trotsky and Bukharin. What was they being trained to do? Tsarism already collapsed in February before they returned. Trotsky spent his time in New York giving speeches against WW1, he was not some secret assassin being trained for combat.
Trained in New York to propagate anti Tsarist material AFTER the Tsarist autocracy had already collopsed? ROFL. A mishmash of selected events.
–Obviously, this entire landscape was totally transformed by the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, which swept the old order from power…
I have mentioned these articles before Ron and how you never make any reference to the February Revolution, shown again in the above. The Bolsheviks did not swept the old order from power! It was already gone by March of 1917. Long before the October Revolution.
–During college and graduate school I probably read at least one hundred books in that general topic, devouring… works of Solzhenistyn and Sholokhov, the thick historical volumes of mainstream academic scholars such as Adam Ulam and Richard Pipes, as well as the writings of leading Soviet dissidents such as Roy Medvedev…
How can you claim to be so well read on the Russian Revolution citing Adam Ulam, Richard Pipes and Roy Medvedev and yet still not be aware of the February Revolution? Strange indeed.
–Jews were enormously over-represented among the top revolutionaries, with three of Lenin’s five potential successors— Trotsky, Zinoviev, and Kamenev—all coming from that background…
Trotsky, the former Mensheviks and free agent was not a potential successor, Zinoview and Kamenev were former Bundists. Yakov Sverdlov was the only likely successor before Stalin.
–Obviously, this was wildly disproportionate in a country having a Jewish population of perhaps 4%
Jews represented 2% of the population.
–One very interesting statement appears in the memoirs of Henry Wickham Steed, editor of The Times of London and one of the foremost international journalists of his era. He very matter-of-factly mentioned that Schiff, Warburg and the other top Jewish international bankers were among the leading backers of the Jewish Bolsheviks…
Your source; “Through Thirty Years, 1892-1922” by Henry Wickham Steed mentions Schiff (3) times throughout the book, and he supports nothing that you claim. Read the posts–they refer to Jacob Schiff not wanting to acknowledge the Bolsheviks. Which is correct, has Schiff supported the February Revolution and the Provisional Government which was overthrow by the October Revolution.
1. “Mr. Jacob Schiff, was known to be anxious to secure recognition for the Bolshevists…” p.301
2. “…the prime movers were Jacob Schiff, Warburg, and other international financiers, who wished above all to bolster up [support] the Jewish Bolshevists…” p.302
As of 2017, Ron who read hundreds of books on Soviet Russia is still unaware there were two revolutions in 1917, February and October–otherwise your articles would have at least mentioned February.
Annamaria is a Jew hater. What do you not get what that means by now? A built in bias against Jews where all roads lead to Rome (Jews). All facts and dates are organized to blame everything on the Jews. Facts are twisted to the point of hilarity.
Example: No one really can claim who is a Jew? Mother, grandfather, surname only. So when in doubt, many Bolsheviks married Jewish woman, making them Jew by marriage. A magic spell came over them from their wife’s witchcraft and Viola a Jew is born!!
You never hear when a Jewish Bolshevik marries a Christian woman they become Christian by marriage.
So hilarious, it becomes a cartoon. Jews under every bed. And the UR clowns just put the pedal to the Jew hating metal. Annamaria is borderline retarded, just look at the post (his/her) they make no common sense. Over there a Jew, here a Jew everywhere a Ju Ju.
No one can define a list to prove which Bolsheviks were Jews and which were not. Ron’s point about godless Jews representing Israel is not the same. Zionist agnostic Jews are proving the very point of this pointless “who is a Jew”. Agnostic Zionist are saying, does not matter if I think I am a Jew, THEY think I am a Jew therefore I am dead. Better pick up a weapon and kill these MFO’s. And that is what Israel is all about. Fuck who is a Jew, it is really a pointless exercise, since Jewishness is a catch all for what is bothering me is caused by Jews. You can neither disprove or prove these theories, so you make things up to fit your narrative.
Don’t fuck with who is a Jew in Israel, they will shoot first and ask questions later. Jews have had it with cosmic Jew hatred. And thus no one will ever have the real power against Jews again. That is why you have all the pseudo names. Suzuki is probably Thomas Dalton who is probably Jung Fuend. It is probably one person writing all of these articles. Dalton claimed to be a well none professor at a major university. No one has been able to locate him. So he ran out of runway and now we have Suzuki writing about Anne Frank. You cannot make this stuff up for comedy. Someone is paying these people a stipend to write this stuff to keep the flames going. Like John Wear is being paid to rewrite Robert Faurisson, Mattogno, Graf and Kues. and Irvings work. The first generation has been discredited so they need to come up with new writers for the same shit. They pick Asian names to throw the scent off of the originals. See them all being shot down with facts in the link below.
A prime example of the distortions: No one has any dispute about the number of Jews shipped out of Poland in Operation Reinhardt the resettlement of the Polish Jews to the East. No one disputes that there were 2.5 million Polish Jews shipped out. German transport papers, and the citizen documents of Jewish polish citizens. Everyone agrees. The problem arrises with where did all those Jews go? They never resurfaced anywhere. Missing Jews. The deniers will tell you they were resettled under new identity and never bothered to look up their family members. Never mind that there were children the old and the sick who could not possible fend for themselves.LOL
I got into a lengthy discussion with John Wear about the missing Jews
Me: John where are all the Jews from Operation Reinhardt ?
John Wear: I do not know but they did not die in homicidal (he always uses the word homicidal) gas chambers, there is no proof that homicidal gas chambers existed. Many people did die of typhoid and diseases. There were very poor conditions in those camps.
So 2.5 million Jews from one operation died of disease in those camps where the Jews were resettled.
Ask any H denier to go find them. They had families. Mothers, fathers, aunts. They came from Polish communities and had jobs. They are all gone.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
You ask: “John where are all the Jews from Operation Reinhardt?”
My response: As previously stated, they did not die in homicidal gas chambers. Since everyone including you agrees there were no crematoria at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec, we could do forensic examinations at these camps to determine approximately how many people died in them. The bones and teeth remains from these alleged victims would still be in the camps, since burning dead bodies using wood will not destroy bones and teeth.
However, this will never happen, since everyone knows that only a tiny fraction of the alleged victims will be found in these camps.
If anyone has an interest in this subject, I recommend that you read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291.
If anyone has an interest in reading an article about the excavations performed at Treblinka by Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls, I recommend you read the article at https://archive.ph/wnzto.
I never agreed to that. I recommend that you read Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, which refutes unquestionably everything you and your colleagues write.
Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka
Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard
A Critique of the Falsehoods of Mattogno, Graf and Kues
A Holocaust Controversies White Paper, First Edition, December 2011
© 2011 Jonathan Harrison, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Jason Myers, Sergey Romanov, Nicholas Terry
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
WHERE DID THE 2.5 MILLION JEWS GO JOHN? They disappeared, more realitic that bones and teeth.
There is also first hand German documentation explaining the gassing of the Jews, method and location by Franke-Gricksch which even David Irving acknowledges. Irving thinks that this does not implicate Hitler in the decision to exterminate the Jews. The evidence is overwhelming.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2019/08/nazi-document-on-mass-extermination-of.html
All I know about John Wear is that his old website is filled with hoax Churchill quotes–while he uses fictional works frequently such as Robert Wilton’s hoax list of Jews in the USSR, including an hoax quote allegedly from Solzhenitsyn has invented by David Duke which even contradicts Solzhenitsyn’s own views on the Russian Revolutions.
Solzhenitsyn blamed the failure on the Russian people, Duke’s invented quote presents Solzhenitsyn has blaming on a conspiracy led solely by Jews. Duke also uses pictures of the Soviet famine of 1921 as allegedly being of the Holodomor. The conspiracy industry lacks any standards.
Ron mentioned that his high quality source for Schiff in contradicting his 12+year campaign against Tsarism is supported by Henry Wickham Steed–as quoted above no such support exists in Steeds cited memoir.
In late 1800s Russia, Christianity was losing ground to witchcraft and the occult–ironically conspiracy theorists use Solzhenitsyn’s invented number of 66 millions killed (he originally claimed 100 million)–so did you know Communism murdered 66 million Russian Christians? Christianity was in decline already yet such appeals work with American audiences.
No button for Bravo!!!
Thanks
Hey Dalton,
What happened to your job a the prestigious American university? Guess you had to move to Japan and try the name Suzuki. Are you working for a prestigious Japanese University? Care to give us new credentials. Maybe easier to hide in Japan. Much like Larry Romanov is an associate of Shanghai University. LOL
Amazing you are so quick to point out what a fraud Anne Frank is. Look in the mirror. Surprising that RU does not suss out his sources more for scams. Oh he is only interested in Jew only scams.
What a bunch of phonies and liars you all are.
That’s no button for bravo, Saul!!
So, are you saying that there were crematoria at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec?
You ask: “WHERE DID THE 2.5 MILLION JEWS GO JOHN? They disappeared, more realitic that bones and teeth.”
My response: It would be impossible to trace where all of the Jews transported through these camps ended up. They went to many dozens of countries around the world. I know Sol Rosenberg survived Treblinka and ended up in Monroe, Louisiana. Germar Rudolf mentions another survivor of Treblinka in his article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/2/4230.
If you asked me to document where all of the 15 to 16 million German expellees went after the war, I could only vaguely tell you they were transferred somewhere to the west. I could not tell you exactly where any of them went. If I did more research, I could call Germar Rudolf and ask him where his father ended up, but this is about all I would know to do. Does this mean that all 15+ million German expellees were murdered? Somehow I don’t think so.
You write: “There is also first hand German documentation explaining the gassing of the Jews, method and location by Franke-Gricksch.”
My response: We already discussed this on another discussion thread. This is a bogus document. For more detail, please read the articles at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p261_Renk.html and
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n6p11_Weber.html.
This is a recent document John,
The entire institute for historical review is bogus. You act like these denial claims are still valid. They have been debunked. Did you see the Irving trial? He in fact now says the Anne Frank diary is authentic.
All is lost John except for a few newbies like yourself. Rehashing old stuff. New day, same stuff.
The families of the missing Jews tried to track their relatives. No luck. An old woman comes to town. No one knows where she came from, or how about a 10 year old. Look at the albums John, many old and sick people.
You write: “Like John Wear is being paid to rewrite Robert Faurisson, Mattogno, Graf and Kues. and Irvings work. The first generation has been discredited so they need to come up with new writers for the same shit.”
My response: No one asked me to write my book “Germany’s War.” I wrote my book because I felt it had information that needed to be published.
I was fortunate that Paul Angel and the people at American Free Press decided to publish my book. I only receive $2 per book sold, which is hardly a huge sum of money. Amazon has not sold new copies of my book for about the last 30 months, which has greatly hurt sales of my book.
I have not received compensation for any of the 96 articles published by Inconvenient History. No one pays me for these articles or for articles published on my website.
It no longer matters. Papa and daughter are burning together in hell.
You ask: “Did you see the Irving trial?”
My response: I did not see the David Irving trial, but I have researched and written extensively about it.
You might enjoy reading my article about the Irving trial on Inconvenient History at https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6517.
I have also written articles concerning the four main historians used at this trial to attempt to discredit David Irving. You can read these articles at:
Richard Evans https://inconvenienthistory.com/13/1/7706
Peter Longerich https://inconvenienthistory.com/13/3/7981
Christopher Browning http://www.wearswar.com/2021/12/03/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-christopher-browning-on-the-holocaust/
Robert Jan van Pelt http://www.wearswar.com/2021/11/26/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-robert-jan-van-pelt-the-case-for-auschwitz/
Fran Taubman is attempting to grasp at straws while watching her beloved “holocaust™” scam go down in flames.
Hey, Fran, the scam is almost over.
Attempts to criminalize any deviation from the official “state religion, holocaustianity™” is a sign of desperation.
It won’t work…
Actually, there were three revolutions: in 1905, 1917, and 1918. Any decent textbook on Russin history can explain to you the significance of the 1905 revolution for the victorious Bolshevic revolution. But this significance creates an obviously inconvenient interference for your “truths.” In short, your analysis of the pernicious role of Jacob Shiff in the Russian tragedy displays intentional ignorance.
All 37 Jewish members of the US Congress have been supporting the weaponization of self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine. After the Nuland-Kagan coup in Kiev in 2014, the Nazification of Ukraine became the priority for US Ziocons. Ukrainians began celebrating famous Nazi collaborators with parades and monuments. Stepan Bandera was named the Hero of Ukraine, and a monument to Stepan Bandera was erected in Lwow. The ADL has issued an apologetic opus explaining why Ukrainian Banderites are not so bad. Mazel Tov, Jewish Lobby! Amazing achievements…
No wonder that the enormous crimes of Jewish Bolsheviks, which were committed against peoples of the Russian Empire, became a theme of various discussions in the context of the Zionists’ collaboration with self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine. Also, people turn their attention to the Usurers of the City of London and the FedReserve, who are eager to destroy Russia — along with destroying the western civilization.
Monument to the Goloschyokin Genocide in Kazakhstan. Philipp Goloschyokin (born Shya Itsikovich) was the First Secretary of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan. His policies resulted in the elimination of 40% of all Kazakhs
You want to celebrate your holobiz? — Fine. Do that, but stop bothering decent people with your quetching and the profitable propagation of lies a la Elie Wiesel and Ilya Ehrenburg.
The incessant squealing about “special Jewish sufferings” has become not just annoying but repulsive in the context of the Jewish State’s criminal behavior on the Israel-occupied territories of Palestine and the deeply amoral Wars for Israel, which were promoted by the ever-mongering American Zionists/Ziocons. The Jewish State continues arming “moderate terrorists” against Syria while bombing the sovereign state.
Most importantly, your pretense of special morality – and your peddling of holobiz memes in the context of an open collaboration of American Jews with self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine – exposes deep ethical problems that pester your tribe.
Leave people alone.
Where did I say there was no 1905 Russian Revolution? Gapon would be disappointed to hear me say such foolishness.
This led to the October Manifesto forced upon Nicholas II to establish the Dumas that never amounted too much–censorship had been laxed in a free press since ending their decade of openness, 1855-1865. This increased the downfall of Tsarism further with target #1 now being Rasputin. The frenzy for gossip was like Unz.com–people could not get enough of all the latest stories. Still the 16 hour days existed, no land reforms, freedom still was demanded, Schiff was no were to be seen.
Although the Society for Russian Freedom he was supporting was still working in the background.
There was a Russian Revolution in 1918? More like Civil War. There was the German Revolution, also the Mensheviks established the Georgian Democratic Republic of 1918-1921, before being crushed by Stalin behind the backs of Lenin/Trotsky.
It’s ironic that Lenin wrote a few weeks before the February Revolution that revolution would never come in his lifetime–yet for you at least the Bolshevik Revolution was a fixed outcome following 1905.
You’re just a total ignoramus who’s trolling this discussion, and I’m giving up on you.
Every reputable historian agrees that in the early 1920s, Zinoviev and Kamenev were two of the most powerful Bolshevik leaders, probably only surpassed by Trotsky in influence. They ran Petrograd and Moscow, the two great urban centers, and Zinoviev also controlled the Comintern.
More Jewish Big Lies… as usual from you, Chabad Fran. Expectedly so since one of Chabad’s fundamental tenets is DECEIT: http://judaism.is/chabad.html In 1980, because of a lawsuit in a German court, the German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt (BKA), forensically examined the original “diary” manuscript. Their analysis determined that “significant” portions of the work were written with a ballpoint pen. Early ballpoint pens were expensive, blotchy and not suitable for use on writing paper. Affordable and suitable ballpoint pens were not readily available in Europe until 1949 (Anne Frank died in the Bergen Belsen Hospital in March 1945). The BKA also determined that none of the “diary” handwriting matched known examples of Anne’s handwriting. Earlier handwriting experts had determined that all of the writing in the “diary” was by the same hand. Therefore, the entire “diary” was a postwar fake. The true author of the diary was Jewish novelist Meyer Levin, who demanded and was awarded $50,000 in payment for his work in a court action against Anne’s father, Otto Frank.
See: http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#diary and Anne Frank’s Diary: A Hoax by Ditlieb Felderer http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres2/DFAnneFrank.pdf a
What other BIG JEWISH LIES do you want to tell, Chabad Fran? http://judaism.is/big-lies.html
According to your logic any person holding position was next to succeed Lenin. Yakov Sverdlov died in 1919 so he is obviously written out of your 1920s succession claim. If what you claimed was accurate explain Stalin.
Every reputable historian agrees, yet when it comes to forcing your narrative of Schiff and the Bolsheviks they are all falsifiers of history because you subscribe to a high quality source–a gossip column allegedly given to one alias Cholly Knickerbocker? You have probably never even cross referenced and read this original article, where is it? Conspiracy theorists are hawks when it comes to misrepresenting sources and quotes.
Thank you for your efforts at correcting the historical narrative. I hope that some day you are compensated for those efforts.
the Red Chinese got USD 29 billion as offical developmental assistance until April this year
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14588033
What else do these leeches want?
Your posts obfuscate and avoid the main point of the discussion. Jews were extraordinarily active in destroying the Russian Empire. Among the most prominent arsonists was Jakob Schiff, a Jewish American banker connected to the Rothchild house. Schiff was quite articulate about his desire to harm and destroy Russia and the Russian imperial family. He was, of course, looking for Amalek – a favorite Jewish pastime.
Schiff was the principal organizer of financing the Russo-Japanese War 1904/1905. He was also involved in paying for anti-government propaganda among Russian POWs. The disastrous war resulted in the 1905 revolution.
Jews were represented disproportionally among revolutionaries (both in the Menshevik and Bolshevic factions). And it is beyond any arguments that Jews were mightily represented in the Bolshevic government, and particularly in the higher echelons of the secret police.
When Solzhenitsyn wrote the following, he based his words on facts:
Why do we need to remember the Russian tragedy? – Because, currently, the Zionized US Congress is totally in support of self-proclaimed Nazis in Ukraine. Because Nuland-Kagan went to Kiev to arrange the Nazification of Ukraine in collaboration with Banderites (self-proclaimed Nazis). Because the Jewish Lobby supports Banderites. Because Biden’s administration (heavily infested with Ziocons) has been sending $$$billions to support Kievan regime headed by a Jewish man devoid of any decency. Because the supranational Usurers (and their tools NATO & War profiteers) have been trying to rape and loot Russia again, even if this new attempt can bring nuclear war.
The US army was first Zionized (https://futurefastforward.com/2017/12/02/fighting-israels-wars-united-states-military-become-zionized/), and then, quite logically, Nazified: https://socialism.com/fs-article/us-trains-nazis-in-ukraine-national-guard/
One more time, the Nazification of Ukraine since 2014 has been a collaborative effort of Ziocons (Zionists) and Banderites. Dostoyevsky called this kind of people “Demons” (The Possessed”).
Got that right!
Looks like the self-hating folks from Holocaust Controversies and Sceptic have broken free from their respective asylums and overrun the comments section.
Perhaps they will explain how, after 70 years, a ‘diary’ by Anne Frank suddenly acquired a co-author called Otto Frank?
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/books/anne-frank-has-a-co-as-diary-gains-co-author-in-legal-move.html
Thanks for posting David Dukes hoax quote of Solzhenitsyn!
Allegedly told in a private discussion in 2002 (Duke’s never referenced the event they were allegedly both at, but who cares about creditably) while Solzhenitsyn struggled to speak English and David Duke speaks no Russian. Duke claims they did research together–the issue of their language barrier was never raised. Where did they do research, the local internet cafe? Who knows, has no details were likewise ever given.
David Duke’s complained since 2005, that Two Hundred Years Together is unavailable in English, yet if Duke could speak to Solzhenitsyn why has he been complaining that he has not been able to read his book?
(Solzhenitsyn considered, The Red Wheel his most important work–at 6.000 pages he gave this importance before Two Hundred Years Together being published in English. The Red Wheel project has now been completed, Two Hundred Years Together is currently being translated for a 2024 release).
Duke started a meme used while interviewed on his own book. The Secret Behind Communism (2013)–the first time Duke presented his quote, Yes, Duke never published it in, Jewish Supremacism (2002) neither in the (2007) updated edition, while Solzhenitsyn is quoted in both–he waited after Solzhenitsyn’s death in 2008 to capitalize off him.
When interviewed in 2013, David Duke would tell the audience Two Hundred Years Together is banned! (imagine in 2013 it was an international bestseller with over 3 million copies sold in the Russian/French editions is a banned book) Duke then says, instead buy my book! Pure marketing, but it worked on the simple kind. John Wear is a case example whose still hawking it.
— “In Two Hundred Years Together, Solzhenitsyn emphatically denies (in Chapters 9 and 14) that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the result of a “Jewish conspiracy” (just as he had earlier forcefully criticized the extreme nationalists who were and are obsessed with Freemasons and Jews—see, e.g., Russia in Collapse, Chapter 25, “The Maladies of Russian Nationalism”).
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/his-writings/large-works-and-novels/two-hundred-years-together
I am not even a fan of Solzhenitsyn but the translation of Two Hundred Years Together in 2024 will expose the misrepresentations of his works by cranks like David Duke, along with those poorly–heavily redacted and selective translations currently found online.
Solzhenitsyn dismisses claims of a Jew-led conspiracy of either the 1905 or 1917 Russian Revolutions, unlike Duke’s fiction. Read a paragraph of Solzhenitsyn Vs Duke, the writing style itself does not even match. In Duke’s case it continues straight into his normal sentences.
–You Must Understand…, “Dr.” David Duke hoax it.
You write: “Duke started a meme used while interviewed on his own book. The Secret Behind Communism (2013)–the first time Duke presented his quote, Yes, Duke never published it in, Jewish Supremacism (2002) neither in the (2007) updated edition, while Solzhenitsyn is quoted in both–he waited after Solzhenitsyn’s death in 2008 to capitalize off him.”
My response: You are correct that there is no definitive proof that Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn made the quote that David Duke atributes to him. It is entirely possible that Duke made up this quote.
When Ron Unz mentioned this to me in an article I wrote about Solzhenityn that Mr. Unz published on his website, I asked Mr. Unz to modify the introduction to this quote to read “David Duke says that Solzhenitsyn told him in a private conversation in 2002.” Ron Unz responded to my request by saying “Sure, John, I made the modification you suggested, but using strikeout on the previous text to indicate the change so that people wouldn’t get confused by the comment-thread.”
I also made this same change in an article about Solzhenitsyn I wrote for Inconvenient History at
https://inconvenienthistory.com/13/2/7788 and in an article I published on my website.
You are also correct that David Duke mentions Solzhenitsyn in the 2007 edition of his book “Jewish Supremacism.” Duke writes on page 51 of this book:
“Nobel Prizewinner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in his opus, “The Gulag Archipelago”, used the research of a Soviet statistician who had access to secret government files, I. A. Kurganov, to estimate that between 1918 and 1959, at least 66 million died at the hands of the Communist rulers of Russia. Although that number is likely far too high, in “Gulag Archipelago II”, Solzhenitsyn affirms that Jews created and administered the organized Soviet concentration camp system in which tens of millions of Christians died.
Pictured on page 79 of the “Gulag Archipelago II” are the leading administrators of the greatest killing machine in the history of the world. They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. All six are Jews.”
Duke further writes on this page: “Interestingly, though, during this period of murder and mayhem, Jews were a protected class, so much so that the Communist Party took the unprecedented step of making expressions of anti-Semitism a counter-revolutionary offense, and thus punishable by death.”
My question to you is: Do you agree that Jews dominated the Communist secret police in the Soviet Union, which underwent many name changes, including the Cheka, OGPU, GPU, NKVD, NKGB, MGB, and KGB? To the best of my knowledge, every head of the secret police under Josef Stalin was a Jew. Moisei Solomonovich Uritzky, a Jew, was also the Cheka’s first chief. Do you have an explanation for why Jews dominated the Communist secret police in the Soviet Union?
Unable to refute the evidence against the Anne Frank fiction, Chabad’s yenta, Fran, does the Jewish thing—character assassination in the cases where outright assassination is not possible. http://judaism.is/assassins.html
Perhaps ‘soll’ will quote Chaim Weizmann’s laughable ‘explanation’ for Jewish dominance within Bolshevism…
Source: The Letters and Papers of Chaim Weizmann, Series B Papers, vol 1. p.242.
Apologies….The comment above is in reply to John Wear not Al Ligouri.
Once we are able to get past their constant lying and enough people are motivated to reduce and counter their dominance of most western media, a real history of WW II might be able to be brought to the world and Europe. I suspect most of this real history has already been written but it is unknown as powerful Jews keep up their constant hatred and lying which renders the Europeans defenseless, lest they be called “NAZIS”. It might be too late but it could help Europe and the West save itself from its sick decline into sexual perversion and enforced race mixing to wipe out Europe under hateful Jewish leadership.
If enough people learn of the Jewish lies about lampshades made from human skin and soap from human fat, their lies about “gassing” people and if they learn what Jews did to the Soviet peoples, which as far as I know, the German government was the only major country to criticize when it was happening, then people might understand why all across the USSR the German army encountered many sympathizers that saw them as liberators against their murderous Judeo-Bolshevik government. Just as the Hungarians knew Jews were their oppressors in 1956, eastern Europe and many in the USSR knew Jews were their oppressors. That would include the Galicians, Bandera and many others. The sooner Ukrainians and east Europeans become re-acquainted with this part of their history, the better. It would reduce their hatred for the Russians and it might have even helped prevent the current Russian-Ukraine war, which should never have taken place.
Norwegian academic Johannes Due Enstad has researched and written a book overturning 80 years of lies – Many Russians (in addition to Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Estonians and Lavians) hoped that Hitler would free them.
https://www.hf.uio.no/ilos/english/research/news-and-events/news/2018/many-russians-hoped-that-hitler-would-free-them-fr.html
David Irving: The 1956 Hungarian Revolution was a revolt against their Jewish dominated communist government of torturers and oppressors
I’ve already posted numerous times the film of Ukrainians turning out in large numbers in Lviv (formerly Lemberg) in 1943 to celebrate the formation of the Galician division which would be part of the German fighting force against Jewish-Bolshevism.
ed. I’ll reply on Solzhenitsyn later today.
— My question to you is: Do you agree that Jews dominated the Communist secret police in the Soviet Union…
Yes, they were the most overrepresented minority group in the secret police (over the 100 classified nationalities in the USSR). For example there was 36 head officers of the NKVD.
— To the best of my knowledge, every head of the secret police under Josef Stalin was a Jew…
They held a majority with 36, although this ended in 1939 with the Non Aggression Pact with Germany. Stalin was trying to clean up his image so he removed them.
— Do you have an explanation for why Jews dominated the Communist secret police in the Soviet Union?
As argued by J. Arch Getty who is America’s leading specialist on the Soviet police, the attraction came from Jews being out of power while lacking roles of influence under Tsarism. With the Pale of Settlement and restrictions being removed in 1917 this became a safe occupation for them to hold. This does not equate to some grand conspiracy.
see: https://vimeo.com/481870355
The Jewish mentality of being oppressed largely comes from the 1903 Kishinev pogrom, as initiated by Pavel Krushevan–first publisher and accredited author or co-author of the Protocols.
It is still believed by Jews that the Kishinev massacre was started by orders of Tsar Nicholas II or at least was allowed to happen–simply due to the fact that Russia was so under policed to prevent or stop it (a common argument is how France had more police at the time than all of Russia in early 1900s). A forged letter was also circulated which supposedly confirmed this order–supposedly made by Minister of Interior, von Plehve, this hoax resulted in his assassination in 1904.
The pogroms of Jews before 1903, upto Kishinev into Odessa 1905 through into those carried out by the White and Red Army during the Civil War, 1918-1921 would influence any minority group to seek out roles of security once in a position if existed. It’s hardly a conspiracy.
The 1903 Kishinev massacre which left 49 dead and the first pogrom to receive international attention (this reconfirmed Pavel to believe that Jews controlled the media, as Kishinev was on the border of the Russian Empire which allowed news to be telegraphed into London and which motivated blame against Tsarism in the West into Jacob Schiff advancing his support of investments at Kuhn Loeb, Co. with National City Bank and Warburg in Germany etc. to side with the Japanese in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905.
see: Revolution, A Trap for Russia (3 part documentary).
https://www.archive.org/details/revolution-a-trap-for-russia-1-3
No worries.
As usual God says it best…
You write: “The pogroms of Jews before 1903, up to Kishinev into Odessa 1905 through into those carried out by the White and Red Army during the Civil War, 1918-1921 would influence any minority group to seek out roles of security once in a position if existed. It’s hardly a conspiracy.”
My response: I think this is a rather weak rationalization. The Communist secret police in the Soviet Union, which was dominated and led by Jews, was responsible for murdering, torturing and terrorizing many millions of innocent Soviet citizens. Such extreme violence is not justified by events such as the 1903 Kishinev massacre and the fact that Jews were out of power before the Bolshevik revolution.
What hilarious nonsense to pretend that Jewish paranoia didn’t begin in Biblical times, but in the 20th century! Because of the Jews’ pathological eternal perpetuation of “Esau hates Jacob” (Genesis 27:41 ff), anyone or anything that opposes them is deemed of Esau, “Amalek,” and must be totally exterminated. Recall that these are the people who incessantly whine that they were targeted for extermination. http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html
This persistent paranoia is a pervasive and recurrent theme throughout Jewish history. For example, see: Why Does Esau Hate Jacob? by Yanki Tauber https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2665/jewish/Why-Does-Esau-Hate-Jacob.htm The paranoia often becomes self-fulfilling because Jews act out their paranoia. Clueless and willful, the Jews refuse to admit or understand their paranoia as cause of the effects they incessantly bemoan. Emboldened and intoxicated by their recent hegemony, Jews have identified Christians and all of Western Civilization, Europe and the USA, as Amalek to be totally exterminated.
According to Chabad: “The Amalekites, descendants of Amalek, were an ancient biblical nation living near the land of Canaan. They were the first nation to attack the Jewish people after the Exodus from Egypt, and they are seen as the archetypal enemy of the Jews. The nation of Amalek is long gone, but they live on as the internal enemies that we each battle on a daily basis.” https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3942715/jewish/Who-Were-Amalek-and-the-Amalekites.htm
Jews identify Amalek variously as sowers of doubt, the epitome of evil, Christianity, Western Civilization, and Netanyahu himself identifed the USA in the video below as Amalek (somewhat astonishing in view of the tribute of money and blood that the USA has made for the Synagogue of Satan’s project in the Holy Land.
Rabbis explain how Jewish ‘doctrine’ demands Western civilization (Amalek/Esau-Edom) must be destroyed for moshiach [“messiah,” The Anti-Christ] to come:
Jewish Supremacy Exposed
Video Link
The Jews have constructed an elaborate delusional system surrounding their mitzvot (religious duties) to totally exterminate “Amalek.”
Among many, see:
Peninei Halakha
Book Zeminim, Chapter 14, The Month of Adar
04. The Three Mitzvot Concerning the Obliteration of Amalek
https://ph.yhb.org.il/en/05-14-04/
05. The Mitzva to Wipe Out Amalek
https://ph.yhb.org.il/en/05-14-05/
Amalek
Video Link
Video Link
Well, that IS the problem, isn’t it. How do YOU work to do that? You don’t. You just make the people who already agree with you happy.
And what has that accomplished? Some thank you’s from those already ‘in the know.’ Posting here on Unz Review, especially anonymously, is the safest thing you or anyone can do. (What does the mx stand for, anything?) And trying to make heroes out of the Ukrainians in 1943 is a wasted effort. Many Russians hoped for liberation and independence from the Soviet system too. But hoping is not doing. Did the “Democratic West” offer them any assistance? Ever? Well, now they’ve got a Jewish government, the former ‘Allies’ are stepping up.
I was contemplating early this morning that Hitler and Trump showed that what to ALL appeared impossible, did actually happen! They won – against the odds! This is why they were/are so strongly opposed. Those who want to control others (the mass media, etc.) must make these others believe that change is impossible … that they are powerless. Believe me, “posting on the Internet,” especially anonymously, is not expressing power. Stop kidding yourself.
Good questions. I am glad someone is asking this. The women are all Lesbians/feminists. They want to believe that women are so powerful that they can flutter their eyelashes and order one male to kill another male.. They want Smart to admit that Gregg was abusive husband and she had to get a boy to kill him to protect herself. She has not. The feminists hate her for this. A few have championed her cause. They believe that she is guilty as hell, but did not get a fair trial, and the punishment are too extreme. They cannot conceive want a happy marriage looks like. The result is that these people are unwittingly keeping here in prison.
The males do not want to compete with with pretty babes for the cute boys. While they hate women, they hate her most of all. I read two paperbacks on this subject. They are the gayest thing I have ever read. In both of them, they lay out the evidence for her innocence, then proclaimed her guilt.
Now a days,only gays will work in the media. If hetros were hired, the media would approve.
You do not help the cause by constantly attacking people inclined to agree with you on things. You drive people away from commenting who find you annoying. If that is your intent, congratulations.
Hillary Clinton Hanged at GITMO
By Michael Baxter -April 26, 2021929223052
Scrambled eggs with jalapeno peppers, and a strawberry milkshake. The last meal of the condemned
While Carolyn Yeager provides a valuable service with her comments and website, I sometimes wonder if she possesses a rabid “feminist” attitude which tends to portray her in a negative manner. Of course, it could merely be “the time of the month” when female emotions tend to run out-of-control.
I too have been in the receiving end of Carolyn Yeager’s vitriolic comments for possible errors in my statements and not being as accurate as she expects us commenters to be. I appreciate her corrections and statements of fact…
I truly appreciate her dedication to the cause, her dedication and intensity that she devotes to this particular subject
However, she should realize that not all of us are privy to the extensive research material and knowledge that she possesses.
We are all learning. No one knows everything.
Hey Carolyn…lighten up a little bit…and realize that not all of us possess the breadth and depth of your knowledge.
Keep your comments coming. They are truly appreciated.
Hey “anarchyst” – I’m 81 years old, I don’t experience “that time of the month, ” not for a long time. One would think you’d have gotten the memo by now.
Whatever you got, you deserved – for Lying, not for being “inaccurate.” You guys are best at making excuses for yourselves — “nobody’s perfect.” Uh-huh. There’s a big gap between “not perfect” and WRONG . Lazy people who just enjoy jogging in the fresh air (enjoying the back and forth of commenting) do not win the race.
David Irving asked over and over again why the Jews have been hated for 3000 years. That it must be their own behavior that caused such hatred and landed them in Auschwitz.
The reason why the Jews were (the normal world has moved on. The people on UR are deranged Jew haters, who have a bias against the Jews, that eschews any normal discussion. The world sees you all as psychotic crazies. Facts are presented to you and you just see a Jew behind everything) because the Jews killed Jesus, the savior of the world. Reason 1,2,3 and so on. They created the old testament and never moved on to the New Testament, accepting Jesus as the son of god and the savior of the world. The Jews never accepted the prophet Mohammed as the seal of all past profits, the final word from god, who they believe along with the (in the past) Christians that god denigrated and cast out the Jews, with the advent of new profits. Out with the old in with the new. In order to validate their new religions they needed to hate the Jews. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Those are all the reasons the Jews have been hated, which boils down to one. The Jews rejected Christianity and were therefore made to feel suspicious and nefarious people by European Christianity.
Why are the Jews still here would be a better question. Mind boggling really, that they have such power and wealth, for such a tiny group that other religions have tried so so hard to wipe out. I mean it is palatable. The Arabs said they would push the Jews into the sea. 4 countries and standing armies and they could not do it. They are so freaking pissed off they keep wanting a do over. Next time we will do it. They get weaker and the Jews get stronger. Go figure.
If a rational discussion were to ever take place, with you lunatics. Would you not view the 18th an 19th century Christian Empires of Europe as tortures and oppressors, parasitic realms. Where people were drawn and quartered for stealing a loaf of bread. Where the aristocracy owned all the land and money by birth, the rest of the people were there in serve their every need. Was that not oppressive. Creating serfs. The feudal system did not allow for a common man to own land, they were forced to rent land at exorbitant prices from the Nobleman. Many a nobleman raped and pillaged, look at how Spain conquered South America.
Yet you always return to the Jews. Stalin was not Jewish nor was Beria. Hitler, Putin, Xi Jinping, the mullahs, and ME kings are not Jewish, neither was Mao and the cultural revolution. They are not hated by you because they did not kill Jesus. But they are worse people out there.
The world has moved on from the Jews mostly because the Christian world has moved from Jew hating, releasing the Jews from the crime of Christ killers. The Christians and Jews have merged into one capitalistic realm. Impenetrable as far as separating Jews from Christians. They Jews and Christians are completely intertwined. You will never get past the Christians to get to the Jews. Impossible. All are intermarried and related thru families and business. An idiot could see these. But you all part of a psychosis, just keep looking back to find Bolshevik Jews, and who wrote Anne Franks diaries, like that is the prime mover of the global world today. Those ships have sailed.
Revisionism today is irrelevant, so is looking back claiming that the good guys were bad and the bad guys were good. Let us all switch hats. What a clown show. H deniers and gas chambers are irrelevant. You are involved with minutia over this chimney and that Jew.
The Jew has moved away and is no longer available for your target practice. It is a fools game trying the Bolshevik Jew. Did you know that Salon and many of the Bolsheviks had pretty Jewish woman around who were into the cause? Then they became bankers and capitalist, and took over the world in a bloodless coup using money. Imagine, and they are still just out of your reach.
The Jews have a state, standing army and tons of cyber weapons. Let us see if Iran can finally get rid of those parasites who stole Al Quds. Oh what a glorious day that will be for you all. Don’t hold your breath, and stay anonymous.
‘You can say what you will about Anne Franks and it may be true, false, debatable. What is certain is that Anne was born, was a real person, lived. She died at the hands of the Nazis, fact. Is there more to be said? RIP Anne and all other victims of the Nazis.’
BUT the Anne you think you know is all but a fabrication. It’d be like me thinking I know the real William Wallace because I’ve seen Mel Gibson in Braveheart.
‘…The Jew has moved away and is no longer available for your target practice…’
Ironically, it is just the opposite that is true.
I find it to be an ugly truth but a truth nevertheless: it has never been so obvious as it is today that it is the Jew that is the problem. To cite just one example, the Biden administration is demonstrably a Jewish creation; it could not have come into being absent Jews. The eight biggest contributors to his campaign were Jews. Of the first six white cabinet officers he named, five were Jewish and the sixth was half-Jewish. Today, whenever you read an attempt to defend one of that administration’s actions or positions, the author, like as not, will be Jewish. It gets almost dull verifying this.
And that’s just one example. It’s true across the spectrum of the ailments plaguing modern America: black crime, ‘transgender’ nonsense, our continued bloody little games in the Middle East are the more indisputable examples. Jews really are the ultimate problem. It’s very unpleasant to realize, but then, it’s unpleasant to realize that a sewer pipe is cracked. In both cases, the truth remains, however unpleasant it may be to admit it, and however ardently one may wish it weren’t so.
We are in another Wiemar Republic just because of the jews. History is repeating itself, with jewish decadence infecting just about every aspect of modern western societies.
From not only acceptance of homosexual and transgender behavior, both homosexuality and transgenderism being imposed on children as young as three years of age and even younger, to the “anything goes” attitudes that pervade western societies, we are in big trouble once again. Add to that, heterosexuality is demonized while the mental illnesses of homosexuality, trangenderism, and other such disorders are not only tolerated but “in your face” acceptance and deference to these mental illnesses is demanded by jew-run societies. Mental illness has been “normalized”, just as what was done in Wiemar Germany.
Both the entertainment and sports franchises are used to mollify the citizenry and provide them with enough “bread and circuses” to keep them under control.
The “civil-rights”, multiculturalism and diversity charades are presently running out of steam despite the rush of corporations towards diversifying their workforces, placing heterosexual white gentile males at the bottom, being treated as pariahs.
The upcoming gentile white male generation will not sit idly by and watch their birthright be stolen from them by jew-run (and poisoned) society. Pushback is coming…
Presently, the only thing holding this canard together is the jewish fable, “holocaustianity” which is being codified into civil law as the new “state religion” from which proper disbelief and questioning of is criminalized. Canada is but the latest country to make “holocaust denial” (revisionism) a crime. This “hoax of the 20th century” is still being used to insulate the jews from criticism, but is failing as we speak.
The jewish cancer must be excised. Country 110 is counting and almost ready…
Let’s try and guess Queen Esther’s response?
Anyone prepared to bet against it will be:
“You’re just a Jew hater, Colin?”
Good luck with that. Been there done that. Blaming the Jews is as tried and true as the sun coming up. Never works. Look at Irving.
Excerpt from “Modify the standards of the in-group”: On Jews and Mass Communications:
The document Dr Joyce is referring to is:
Flowerman, S. H., “Mass propaganda in the war against bigotry,” The Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology, 42(4), (1947) 429-439.
You write
Well, at last! You sound truly convinced. And it wasn’t exposing the “Holocaust” lies that convinced you, but simply watching the Biden Administration in action! Yes, unleashed Jews in action!
You should remember that what you describe was exactly the reasoning behind the “antisemitism” of Adolf Hitler and his fellow National Socialists (not him alone!). Their love for their country (more real & deep to them than what you feel now for the USA) was their motivating force, not a “racist, white supremacist” hatred for a minority that was “other”, different — but saving their country, which to them was the equivalent of the German Folk itself. German people were being robbed in every way, starved, made suicidal, their children corrupted by the predations of over-represented Jews – over-represented in every area of life in the cities, especially Berlin. They had no way to fight back.
Now in our country, we are finally seeing the criminalization of any push-back against this new Bolshevism called “Woke Democracy”. Will FEAR prevail?
You say you “find it very unpleasant” to face the “ugly” truth that Jews are behind our problems, troubles and failures. Why ugly? It was not an unpleasant realization for me, but something I was glad to know. Just like I’m glad to hear you say it yourself. You liken it to a broken sewer pipe and say “however unpleasant it may be to admit it, and however ardently one may wish it weren’t so,” nevertheless it’s true and must be faced and fixed. Well, I suggest (in all kindliness) the reason you ardently wish it weren’t so is largely because it puts you in exactly the same situation Hitler and his group of fellow Nationalist found themselves in in 1919-20. This is very uncomfortable for you. But I commend you for coming this far. Probably Jesus’ most common phrase was “Fear not.” An acronym for FEAR that I keep in mind is: False Evidence Appearing Real. Love that the word “evidence” is in it. Wishing you Godspeed.
— The Communist secret police in the Soviet Union, which was dominated and led by Jews…
Not led.
They were an overrepresented minority in the NKVD throughout the 1930s yet they was not in control. The most influential minority group making up the Soviet ruling class was Georgians (less than 2%) led by Georgian, Stalin. As mentioned, those 36 Jews were removed by Stalin in 1939.
— Jews, was responsible for murdering, torturing and terrorizing many millions of innocent Soviet citizens.
For example.
So you allege these 36 head officers were solely responsible for the 1.5 million arrested during the Great Terror, 1936-1938 with 700.000 killed?
Do you know the causes of the Great Terror? Soviet history is bigger and far more complex than counting only Jews. Such grand narratives are overly vague and simplistic which avoids any discussion of the topics. Instead just shout Jews! and 70 years of history has allegedly been explained. From 1917-1991 the Soviet ruling class held almost 2.000 officials, I doubt that you have cross referenced the make up of those biographies while practicing your math. Even above you quote Duke who alleges 6 Jews (for almost 200 million) had controlled the USSR, who even thinks in such ways? It’s superficial and illogical.
— Such extreme violence is not justified by events such as the 1903 Kishinev massacre and the fact that Jews were out of power before the Bolshevik revolution.
No one is alleging violent repressions in Soviet Russia were motivated by Jewish dispossession under Tsarism, this is your own predisposition of accepting Jews were somehow solely responsible for every action.
No. Look at Christendom. For 1500 years Christian Popes and Princes did a solid, though imperfect, job of keeping the Jews in check. http://judaism.is/the-church-on-the-jews.html After the trials, punishments, and repatriations, we can return to such controls, only stronger. http://judaism.is/catholic-action.html
‘Well, at last! You sound truly convinced. And it wasn’t exposing the “Holocaust” lies that convinced you, but simply watching the Biden Administration in action! Yes, unleashed Jews in action!’
Indeed. The antics of the Biden administration — and everything since transsexual bathrooms and George Floyd — has really made it all undeniable. And it has to be faced: else we’re in the position of trying to deal with the flooding in the basement without admitting that broken pipe right there might be the problem. ‘Unleashed Jews’ is about right. They’ve had too much influence before — but now they’re really in the driver’s seat, and we’re seeing the results. It’s not that they’re our rulers — it’s that they’re mad as hatters.
The reality of the Holocaust is about the only point in those four paragraphs you wrote where I unequivocally differ with you. That too is a bit alarming; you’re way out there. If you’re right, things are pretty screwed up.
Beyond that, while I refrain from lying, I don’t think emphasizing that Hitler had a point will win many converts. It’s enough of a challenge getting people to realize the role Jews are playing in all of this.
If you want to win — as opposed to being right — you have to address your audience. For example, when I moved up here, I realized my Free Palestine bumper sticker might make me feel good — but it wasn’t going to change anyone’s mind.
So I peeled that off and got a Remember the Liberty bumper sticker. That might get two or three of the people around here to actually look up what happened and start thinking outside the box.
Even worse than their mainstreaming of perversion, the Jews are killing us. In a reprise of their medieval physician poisoners (http://judaism.is/ritual-murder.html), the Jewish “medical” industry is depopulating the planet with abortion and bioweapons. http://judaism.is/jew-flu.html Their (((military))) industry is utilizing perpetual war and looting the Treasury while ginning up World War 3, http://judaism.is/world-wars.html Their banksters are crashing the economy, tax farming, and looting our property at bargain basement prices. http://judaism.is/usury.html Their interlocking corporate directorates of (((agri-business))) are emptying shelves and cutting production to starve us.
Satan’s Chosen must be stopped soon. Counter-semitism is necessary.
When the Communist secret police in the Soviet Union was headed by Jews such as Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, Naftaly Frenkel and Moisei Solomonovich Uritzky, I think it is fair to say that the Soviet secret police during these periods was led by Jews.
Unadulterated bullshit. The Jewish secret police were run by (((Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurovsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay, Speigelglas, Babel, Zederbaum, et al.))) Further, your “Georgians” are as Jewish as Hollywood. Even Stalin was a halachic Jew. https://judaism.is/perpetrators.html#stalin Stalin’s mother was Jewish. Under halakha (Jewish Law) that makes Stalin Jewish, not “Orthodox Christian,” just another damned marrano. Jewish Cup Kiddush covered with a shroud – on the grave of Stalin’s mother in the Tbilisi Pantheon.
https://zet09.livejournal.com/232250.html
Stalin was the descendant of Portuguese Jews from an island called Dzhu. According to him, this island is located in the Gulf of Cambay. This is the Gulf of Cambay:
As you can see on the map, there is an island called “Diu.” It was indeed a Portuguese colony; the Portuguese fort still exists there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diu_Fortress …As for Portuguese Jews, there were indeed Jews in Diu according to the Jewish source “India’s Bene Israel” …“Dzhuga” [as in“Dzhugashvilli] is actually a synonym for a mountain JEW, according to the work “An Ethnohistorical Dictionary of the Russian and Soviet Empires.”
excerpted from: Stalin the crypto-Jew https://fitzinfo.net/forum/topic/stalin-the-crypto-jew/
They want a CONSTANT income stream.
They see how well Germany pays out money to Israel, gives them free submarines, and so on… It’s the model for all future shake-downs.
Since Lyndon Johnson in the USA, blacks have been getting billions of dollars every year and, to hear them say it, it’s still not enough.
Rudyard Kipling got it right:
A.D. 980-1016
It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say:–
“We invaded you last night–we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation for a reach and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:–
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the
time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:–
“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”
I was just speaking to you in that reply when I said, “You should remember …”, because you should, since the experience of the Nat. Socialists cannot be divorced from every other group that discovered that it was indeed the Jews that were the source of their misfortune.** But I wasn’t recommending a course of action for “repairing the broken sewage pipe.” I’ll leave that to you. What is your suggestion? Besides hoping to change things through the upcoming election, that is. The most meaningful election is still two years away. Can we wait that long? And is it enough?
**Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, and then Fuehrer. It took almost 10 years for him to initiate the so-called “Final Solution.” Seems too slow for such rabid jew-haters.
P.S. It’s good to know that “in (my) four paragraphs … The reality of the Holocaust is the only thing (you) unequivocally differ with me on.” How long will that one thing last?
Nice of you to remind the readers that the documentary (DOCUMENTARY) “Two Hundred Years Together,” created by a Noble Prize Laureate in Literature, was sequestered by all (ALL) publishing houses in the US and the UK.
Do facts have a bias?
Why don’t you ponder for a moment about the indecency of holobiz in the context of this fact:
The more you obfuscate the genocidal activities of such Jews as Schiff, Lazar Kaganovich, Philip Goloschyokin (born Shaya Itsikovich), Genrich Yagoda (Yehuda), Rozalia Zalkind, Isay Berg, Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, Naftaly Frenkel, and many more, the greater the indecency of the holobiz lies and profiteering holobiz schema.
Also, what is your informed opinion of the Dancing Israelis?
Since you completely ignored the rationale for learning about the history of the Russian tragedy — and about the role of Jews in this tragedy ––here is a repost of the main points:
1. In 2014, Nuland-Kagan went to Kiev to arrange the Nazification of Ukraine in collaboration with the Banderites (self-proclaimed Nazis).
2. The Jewish Lobby supports Banderites. Biden’s administration (heavily infested with Ziocons) has been sending $$$billions to support Kievan regime headed by a Jewish man devoid of any decency.
3. The supranational Usurers (and their tools NATO) have been trying to rape and loot Russia again, even if this new attempt can bring nuclear war.
4. The US army was first Zionized (https://futurefastforward.com/2017/12/02/fighting-israels-wars-united-states-military-become-zionized/), and then, quite logically, Nazified: https://socialism.com/fs-article/us-trains-nazis-in-ukraine-national-guard/
One more time, the Nazification of Ukraine since 2014 has been a collaborative effort of Ziocons (Zionists) and Banderites. Dostoyevsky called this kind of people “Demons” (The Possessed”).
“Dzhuga” [as in“Dzhugashvilli] is actually a synonym for a mountain JEW, according to the work “An Ethnohistorical Dictionary of the Russian and Soviet Empires.”
Yes. From 2015…
See here: https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1812106&postcount=25
And here: https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1814032&postcount=27
Do I have a bias? I am not a fan of Solzhenitsyn but at least I don’t try to misrepresentation his works like the fringes that you support.
As mentioned, Solzhenitsyn considered his 6.000 page tome The Red Wheel is most important work–given it priority over his lesser important work, Two Hundred Years Together (which ironically at the time in 2013 that Duke presented his hoax quote to the world while proclaiming Two Hundred Years Together was a banned book–had by then became a bestseller with 3 million copies sold in the Russian/French editions).
According to David Duke’s logic, a international bestseller with 3 million copies sold was at least deemed by him, to be a banned book!
Two Hundred Years Together has been in the process of being translated over the past year, it’s expected for release in 2024.
To quote the foremost scholar of Solzhenitsyn in the English/French speaking world, Daniel Mahoney at the Solzhenitsyn foundation.
“Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together, a two-volume history of Russian-Jewish relations, initially grew out of The Red Wheel, his monumental opus on the Russian Revolution. In The Red Wheel Solzhenitsyn had shown the Revolution in full complexity; and indeed—to avoid boiling down that complexity or skewing it via the narrow prism of Russian-Jewish relations—he gave The Red Wheel priority of publication in every major language, ahead of Two Hundred Years Together. Now that the full Red Wheel is well on its way to being published in English, an authorized translation of Two Hundred Years Together is in progress and scheduled for publication in 2024.
In Two Hundred Years Together, Solzhenitsyn emphatically denies (in Chapters 9 and 14) that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the result of a “Jewish conspiracy” (just as he had earlier forcefully criticized the extreme nationalists who were and are obsessed with Freemasons and Jews—see, e.g., Russia in Collapse, Chapter 25, “The Maladies of Russian Nationalism”).”
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/his-writings/large-works-and-novels/two-hundred-years-together
“Two Hundred Years Together had by then became a bestseller with 3 million copies sold in the Russian/French editions.”
— Do you understand the words “all publishing houses in the US and the UK?” None of the publishing houses in the US and the UK dared to publish a translated in English version of the book.
“he gave The Red Wheel priority of publication in every major language, ahead of Two Hundred Years Together.”
— Since when the French language is not a “major language?”
You have a fantastic ability to make worldly pirouettes on secondary and tertiary details while dancing as far away as possible from the critical points of discussion.
By the way, does the Anti-Defamation League belong to “fringes?” How do you like that the ADL was created in memory of a rapist and murderer Leo Frank?
https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-lobby-group-adl-rehabilitates-hitlers-accomplices-ukraine/35021
https://www.unz.com/article/the-leo-frank-case-documented-findings/
‘…The Jews represented at its high less than 13% of the Bolshevik party leadership in 1917, by 1922 this was down to 5%…’
You seem remarkably concerned to minimize Jewish culpability for the Bolshevik Revolution. I’ll point out that is was hardly in Russia alone that Jews were over-represented in such movements.
…nor was it only at that time. At the moment, they’re wildly overrepresented in the efforts to ruin our country.
It’s interesting to consider why this is — but one can’t really get anywhere if people are going to insist it isn’t so in the first place. It’s like trying to bring up his diet and exercise habits with a three-hundred pounder who won’t admit he’s fat.
— Do you understand the words “all publishing houses in the US and the UK?” None of the publishing houses in the US and the UK dared to publish a translated in English version of the book.
Says who? This is another of your conspiracy theories picked up from Duke. Let’s disregard Solzhenitsyn’s request, there is a conspiracy to censor–allegedly.
— Since when the French language is not a “major language?”
300 million speak French, 1.35 billion speak English. #End
Pick up a copy once it’s released in 2024, the suppressed book will still be deemed banned, even after its been released. Just like those 3 million French/Russian copies already existing. A banned bestseller!
You know you are deep in paranoid theories when both Anna and John are arguing against Solzhenitsyn’s own foundation run by his son’s.
Solzhenitsyn requested The Red Wheel be translated into English first, this has been completed–now Two Hundred Years Together is being translated, shockingly just has Solzhenitsyn had requested. See, no conspiracy, drop the meme started by David Duke, there never was any censorship.
Two Hundred Years Together is banned, but you can buy my book. The Secret Behind Communism! (2013)–David Duke, he accepts cash orders.
This site needs to allow editing longer than 2-3 minutes.
Look someone confronts Zoe Tur a transgender woman with the reality of still having male appendages, and how gender dysphoria is delusional.
Please note the transgender woman is a goy and threatens wait for it Ben Shapiro a religious Jew for not ceding ground on biology. Also out numbered by progressive goys all pro transgender pro nouns.
Yet you all blame transgender promotion on the Jews?
Ben is pretty brave here, against a sea of progressive goys.
Saul, When you offer such unmitigated bullshit, you reveal yourself as nothing more than a (((liar))).
Jews created (Rabbi Moses Hess and his disciple Marx), financed (Rosenwald, Kuhn, Loeb, Schiff, et al.), propagandized (Ehrenburg, Mikhoels, Khaldei, et al.), exported (Voitinsky, Kun, Eisner, Zimanas, Rozanski, Pijade, Rakosi, Olszewsi, et al.), and mostly ran Communism (Lenin,* Trotsky, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Litvinov, Andropov, et al.), their secret police (Yagoda, Bronstein, Yurovsky, Pauker, Slutsky, Gay, Speigelglas, Babel, Zederbaum, et al.), and gulags (the Kaganovich family, Berman, Frenkel, Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk, et al.). Though “Jews” were only 1 or 2% of the Russian population, over 30% of the general party membership and over 90% of Communist command and control were Jewish—60 million died in the USSR. http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html
Rabbi Moses Hess • The Zionist Who Founded Communism • It Wasn’t Karl Marx http://judaism.is/assets/moses-hess-the-zionist-who-founded-communism-hoffman.pdf
So blame Rabbi Hess, Marx, Voitinsky, Rittenberg, Sachs, et al. for Mao and his other K’aifeng Jews and add another 75 million dead.
Regarding the enormously disproportionate role of Jews in Communist genocide, see The Plot against the Church by Maurice Pinay, 1962, Part 1, especially “Jewish Testimony,” at:
https://christogenea.org/system/files/resources/PlotAgainstTheChurchComplete.pdf
See also:
• American Pravda: the Bolshevik Revolution and Its Aftermath by Ron Unz https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/
• The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia’s Early Soviet Regime: Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism by Mark Weber http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
• The Prop-Masters–Perpetrators of the holocaust against Christian Russia transform themselves into “survivors” of ”the Holocaust” http://revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
• How The Jews Prompted A German Backlash http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=40
Contradicting your lie are the self-incriminating statements of Jews contemporary to the Jewish Communist genocide. Notice that when their genocide of over 60 million Christians was under way, the tribe boasted that Communism was theirs. Now that the death toll of Judeo-Communism is well-known, the tribe pretends they had little or nothing to do with it:
“Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.”
Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935
“The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution.”
The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250
“Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936
“Judaism is Marxism, Communism”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64 https://archive.org/details/AProgramForTheJewsAndAnAnswerToAllAntiSemites
“The communist soul is the soul of Judaism.”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143 https://archive.org/details/AProgramForTheJewsAndAnAnswerToAllAntiSemites
“We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism.”
The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11
British Jew and former rabbi, Dr. Lewis Browne (1897 – 1949) wrote:
“It is obvious then that if the Jewish problem is ever to be solved, far more intelligent measures must be resorted to than those employed by the medievals. […] To accomplish this we must in a measure redeem the Jews and remake the Gentiles. That is what the Communists are trying to do in Russia, and because of their determination and monstrous energy they may actually effect it in three generations. […] Indeed, the Jews are already too numerous in the bureaucracy, and that is probably the chief reason why covert antisemitism is still very rife in Russia.”
https://archive.org/details/howoddofgodanint028404mbp/page/n243/mode/2up?view=theater
“There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks, in the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism are consistent with the finest ideals of Judaism…”
Peace, War, and Bolshevism, The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1919
https://archive.org/details/B-001-018-446
“The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51
“It would be absurd to deny the intensity of the Jewish participation in the Russian revolutionary movement.”
Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York) July-September 1932, p. 106
“That achievement —the Russian-Jewish revolution — destined to figure in history as the overshadowing result of World War, was largely the outcome of Jewish thinking, of Jewish discontent, of Jewish effort to reconstruct.”
The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920
“The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and world-domination.”
William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31
“The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism.”
Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix
“The Jews [have been] furnishing for the Bolsheviks the majority of their leaders.”
The Jewish World (London), April 16, 1919, p. 11
“Russian Jews have taken a prominent part in the Bolshevist movement.”
The American Hebrew (New York), November 18, 1927, p. 20
“Jewry has come to wield a considerable power in the Communist Party.”
Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 37
“The East-Side Jew [Trotsky] that Conquered Europe”
The Liberator (New York), March 1920, pp. 26-27
“The real East Sider [New York Jew Trotsky] is at the head of things in Russia.”
M. L. Larkin, in The Public (New York), November 23, 1918, p. 1433
“It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism; all this is in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews.”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites
(New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 148 https://archive.org/details/AProgramForTheJewsAndAnAnswerToAllAntiSemites
“Karl Marx, who came from an old family of rabbis and brilliant Talmudic scholars, was to point the path of victory for the proletariat.”
L. Rennap, Anti-Semitism and the Jewish Question (London, 1942), p. 31
“Among his [Karl Marx’s] ancestors were Rabbis and Talmudists, men of learning and keen intellect.”
Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206
“The peculiarly Jewish logic of his [Karl Marx’s] mind”
Henry Wickham Steed, in The American Hebrew (New York), December 9, 1927, p. 206
“Mr. Wickham Steed lays the rise of Bolshevism at the doors of Jewry.”
The Jewish Guardian (London), November 28, 1924, p. 4
“The Bolshevik Revolution has emancipated the Jews as individuals”
Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 33
“There are many Bolshevik leaders of Jewish extraction.”
D. L. Sandelsan, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), February 20, 1920, p. 22
“There is no Jew who does not hope with all his heart that the Soviet Union will survive and be victorious.”
Zionist Review (London: Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland), September 26, 1941, p. 7
“Communism and internationalism are in truth and in fact great virtues. Judaism may be justly proud of these virtues.”
Harry Watan, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites
(New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 80 https://archive.org/details/AProgramForTheJewsAndAnAnswerToAllAntiSemites
“If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist internationalism … then the Jewish race is doomed.”
George Marlen, Stalin, Trotsky, or Lenin (New York, 1937), p. 414
“The [Jewish] Commissars were formerly political exiles. They had been dreaming of revolution for years in their exile in Paris, in London, in New York, in Berlin, everywhere and anywhere. They saw in the Bolshevist Movement an opportunity of realizing the extreme ideas of Communism and internationalism to which their fate had compelled them.”
Dr. D. S. Pazmanik, in The Jewish Chronicle (London), September 5, 1919, p. 14
“The Jewish people will never forget that the Soviet Union was the first country —and as yet the only country in the world— in which anti-Semitism is a crime.”
Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), January 1942, p. 16
“Anti-Semitism was classed [by the Soviet Government] as counter-revolution and the severe punishments meted out for acts of anti-Semitism were the means by which the existing order protected its own safety.”
The Congress Bulletin, (New York: American Jewish Congress), January 5, 1940, p. 2
“There is no official anti-Semitism in Russia; anti-Semitism in Russia is a crime against the State.”
Dr. Chalm Weizmann, The Jewish People and Palestine (London: Zionist Organization, 1939), p. 7
“Anti-Communism is anti-Semitism.”
Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), July-August 1941, p. 23
“The part which Jews play in the [Communist] Government of the country [Russia] does not appear to be declining.”
Harry Sacher, in The Jewish Review (London), June-August 1932, p. 43
“The Jews have a right to subordinate to themselves the rest of mankind and to be the masters over the whole earth. This is the historic destiny of the Jews.”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), pp. 99-100 https://archive.org/details/AProgramForTheJewsAndAnAnswerToAllAntiSemites
“We Jews, we the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. Nothing that you will do, will meet our needs and demands. We will destroy because we need a world of our own.”
Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, page 155
“The Russian intelligentsia . . . saw in the philosophy of Judaism the germs of Bolshevism —the struggle of … Judaism versus Christianity.”
Leon Dennen, in The Menorah Journal (New York, July-September 1932, p. 105
“Soviet Russia has declared war on Christianity, and on those who profess this faith. In the Russian villages today Bolsheviks and Herbert H. Lehman . . . were called the ‘secret government of the United States’ and were linked with ‘world communism.’”
Dr. Louis Harap, in Jewish Life (New York), June 1951, p. 20
etc., etc., etc.
‘…In Two Hundred Years Together, Solzhenitsyn emphatically denies (in Chapters 9 and 14) that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the result of a “Jewish conspiracy” (just as he had earlier forcefully criticized the extreme nationalists who were and are obsessed with Freemasons and Jews—see, e.g., Russia in Collapse, Chapter 25, “The Maladies of Russian Nationalism”).”’
That’s the irony of it. From what bits I’ve been able to read, Two Hundred Years Together is actually a rather measured and restrained — but frank — discussion of the role Jews have played in Russian and Soviet history. It’s precisely the sort of work that could form a useful part of a discussion of these issues.
But no reliable text is available in English. And don’t try to pretend it’s just taking time. The book was written twenty years ago. This is a work by perhaps the most important Russian writer in the last hundred years. It hasn’t been translated and published?
No such delays accompanied A Day in the Life, The Seventh Circle, The Gulag Archipelago, August 1914 or anything else in Solzhenitsyn’s ouvre. Just Two Hundred Years Together. Such sudden care and scrupulousness.
Whatever the statements of Solzhenitsyn’s executors, I’m suspicious. It was certainly okay for editions of the work to come out in other languages (German, as well as French and Russian). In fact, the French and German translations appeared within two years of its publication in Russian.
But here we are in America, and twenty years on, still no translation. Go figure.
Look goy… a goy messed up by the poisonous propaganda – pushed by our nefarious Jewish Supremacist Organizations over decades – is verbally assaulting a good, clean, wholesome, observant Jew.
… and you have the chutzpah to blame us du nuffin Jews for gender dysphoria? Oy vey!
The link is broken.
Well, you feined the “misunderstanding” of my question.
Let’s go to the heart of the matter. The paper under discussion is about a fraudulent opus by a fraudster Otto Frank.
When caught on holobiz fraudulent tales, you and other “chosen” are squealing about “antisemitism” and push all buttons to harass and imprison honest historians. True or not? https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
Do Elie Wiesel’s stories satisfy your eagerness for facts?
When presented with the facts of the Russia tragedy – FACTS, and not the invented idiotic fables about “ovens and soap” (courtesy of the Soviet Jew Ehrenburg) – various “solls” engage in nit-picking to avoid the facts-supported history of the Jewish sadism and mass-murdering of various ethnic groups in Russia.
Is it a conspiracy theory that Cark Gershman was involved in the “color revolution” in Ukraine?
Is it a conspiracy theory that Nuand-Kagan was involved in the 2014 coup while collaborating with self-proclaimed Nazis? https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
Is it a conspiracy theory that the Nuand-Kagan’s coup has produced a civil war in Ukraine – plus the Nazification of Ukraine?
Is this a conspiracy theory that the whole Kagans clan has been warmongering for decades against the Middle Easter countries and Russia?
Is this a conspiracy theory that the Jewish Lobby supports the Jewish homoerotic dancer and war criminal Zelensky and his Nazi retinue (Azov battalion)?
Is this a conspiracy theory that Mr. Kolomojsky, the President of the Jewish Community of Ukraine, hs organized and funded the self-proclaimed Nazi battalions Azov, Aidar, and Dnipro? https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-secret-weapon-feisty-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-1403886665
Is this a conspiracy theory that the heavily Zionized White House has supported the Nazification of Ukraine?
Is it a conspiracy theory that Blinken, Price, Sullivan, Nuland-Kagan, Wendy Sherman, the Kagans clan, the ADL, and the AIPAC are against the de-Nazification of Ukraine?
This is the new Zio-Nazified Ukraine. Mazel Tov, Kagans clan!
The second sentence was written tongue-in-cheek. It should be obvious but one can’t be too careful when dealing with subjects so thoroughly confused as this. Hitler officially gained the title Fuehrer on August 2, 1934. The mythical “Final Solution” is said to have been “planned” or finalized at a conference authorized by Reich Leader Hermann Goering, and called & supposedly chaired by Reinhard Heydrich, held in Wannsee, Germany, a suburb outside of Berlin, in Jan. 1942. How to utilize the to-be-deported Jews for badly needed labor for the war effort was on the agenda. The documents that have come to us from that conference are highly controversial. Here is a reliable and thorough critique of the entire proceeding which everyone, believer and non-believer, should be familiar with: https://codoh.com/library/document/the-wannsee-conference-protocol/en/
However, my point here is, Why did it take so long for this “extermination” plan to be developed and put in action. Previous to 1942, the German government was trying to assist the Jews in Germany to relocate outside of Germany. The “Nuremberg Laws” were part of that agenda. In January 1942 that suddenly changed. The war, yes. The war entailed a need for labor, and Jews were recognized as an intelligent, in some cases talented, supply of workers that were right there under German control. Russian and some other Eastern European “ghetto” Jews were less desirable as industrial workers, needed stricter supervision and thus were only cost-effective in areas like road-building.
I’ll not go on, but all-in-all this does not suggest a desire to “exterminate” every Jew that “Nazis” (sic) could get their hands on. Or even one!! The exterminationist trick has been to find certain statements made by NS leaders that can be taken out of context and interpreted in the most malevolent manner. When that is not enough, pure lies and forged and/or fully fake documents are created to reinforce the idea of an “extermination” plan.
So the answer is: this so-called extermination plan was never put in place. It never existed, since no document from Adolf Hitler, the Fuehrer, exists, though (((they))) have searched for one. In the German-NS system, such a program could/would never be carried on without a Fuehrer Order, in writing.
You might enjoy reading my article reviewing Peter Longerich’s book on the Wannsee Conference at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/2/8192. I agree with you that this conference is not proof of a German plan to exterminate European Jewry.
Al in panic mode that he runs to any fringe website and copy-pastes a collection of quotes that he obviously has never even validated by cross referencing. For example, I am familiar with some of them.
— “The Bolshevik Government of Russia is the key-stone of the arch of the proof of the Jewish conspiracy for radicalism and world-domination.” William Hard, The Great Jewish Conspiracy (New York: American Jewish Book Company, 1920), p. 31
William Hard’s book, The Great Jewish Conspiracy is a refutation of such conspiracy theories. Read the quote, that is accurate. Hard is not in agreement with you Al. It’s even published by the American Jewish Book Company! ROFL
Hard’s, ‘The Great Jewish Conspiracy’ (1920) “Ridicules the idea of a Jewish world conspiracy, and denies the charge that the Jews were behind the Bolsheviks. Notes the use of anti-Semitic propaganda in England, France, Germany, Poland, and Russia (among pro-tsarist forces), as well as in the U.S. Quotes passages from the “Protocols” and refutes their credibility.
I don’t have time to comment on all.
— “The Jewish elements provide the driving forces for communism.”
Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution (Oxford, 1920), p. ix
This is out of context, published by Levy in the foreword of Rivers book, who was defending him for any charges of being anti-semitic; yet Rivers himself dismissed such Jew-led conspiracy in the following.
“You [George] have noticed with alarm that the Jewish elements provide the driving forces for both communism and capitalism, for the material as well as the spiritual ruin of this world. But then you have at the same time the profound suspicion that the reason of all this extraordinary behaviour may be the intense Idealism of the Jew. In this you are perfectly right. The Jew, if caught by an idea, never thinks any more in water-tight compartments, as do the Teuton and Anglo-Saxon peoples, whose right cerebral hemisphere never seems to know what its left twin brother is doing: he, the Jew, like the Russian, at once begins to practise what he preaches…” — Dr. Oscar Levy, in George Pitt-Rivers, “The World Significance of the Russian Revolution” (1920), p. 9
George Pitt-Rivers follows: “It would be futile to suggest that all Bolsheviks are Jews, or that it is merely a Jew movement.” — p. 20
— “The Bolshevik Revolution has emancipated the Jews as individuals”
Dr. Avrahm Yarmolinsky, in The Menorah Journal (New York), July 1928, p. 33
The Jews were emancipated from the Pale of Settlement in March 1917 by the Provisional Government following the February revolution. Avrahm, I recall is the author of a book on the Russian Revolution. It would be interesting to see if this quote is in context and accurate. As you cannot trust the fringes to present accuracy. Often conspiracy theorists change comments referring to the February revolution into the October revolution, and conflate them as a singular event. Not knowing two Russian revolutions occured in 1917.
— That’s the irony of it. From what bits I’ve been able to read, Two Hundred Years Together is actually a rather measured and restrained — but frank — discussion of the role Jews have played in Russian and Soviet history. It’s precisely the sort of work that could form a useful part of a discussion of these issues.
As seen by John Wear who has a complete disinterest in studying or understanding Soviet history and of events, in his case he disregards contexts and starts trying to count solely Jews, ignoring the influence of any other sect, like Georgians, Latvians, or even the Jews themselves. he is not interested in such details. They don’t input into his calculator.
The same as Hitler in Mein Kampf, telling people how to read a book, go for what you are searching for and ignored the surrounding context.
— But no reliable text is available in English. And don’t try to pretend it’s just taking time. The book was written twenty years ago. This is a work by perhaps the most important Russian writer in the last hundred years. It hasn’t been translated and published?
Dating the time from Solzhenitsyn’s death in 2008 would be accurate. In this time 3 volumes of The Red Wheel have been translated, that’s 6.000 pages. Quite timely considering the reception of a French version in the 1970s was considered to be of poor standards.
— No such delays accompanied A Day in the Life, The Seventh Circle, The Gulag Archipelago, August 1914 or anything else in Solzhenitsyn’s ouvre. Just Two Hundred Years Together. Such sudden care and scrupulousness
August 1914 is a volume of The Red Wheel, these revised editions are now finished. You can blame Solzhenitsyn for giving Two Hundred Years Together a low priority resulting in such delays.
Solzhenitsyn’s foundation is small, it’s run by his son’s and Mahoney. Edward E. Ericson died in 2017 which slowed down translations. There was also the abridged version of The Gulag Archipelago overseen. It’s not all about the minor topic of Russian-Jewish relations and how they had lived together for the past two hundred years.
For the authorized translated (chapter 9, 14 is not featured) of Two Hundred Years Together included in The Solzhenitsyn Reader where Solzhenitsyn’s dismisses such notions of a Jewish conspiracy for both 1905 and 1917 revolutions, see:
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/s/_200_-Introduction-Chaps-891516.pdf
You write: “As seen by John Wear who has a complete disinterest in studying or understanding Soviet history and of events, in his case he disregards contexts and starts trying to count solely Jews, ignoring the influence of any other sect, like Georgians, Latvians, or even the Jews themselves. he is not interested in such details. They don’t input into his calculator.”
My response: You are certainly correct that I am not an expert on Soviet history. However, I think the heavy involvement of Jews in the Bolshevik revolution is beyond dispute.
Someone who is an expert on Soviet history is American historian Dr. Matthew Raphael Johnson. Dr. Johnson writes that the leadership of the USSR was largely Jewish, based far more on Jewish ethnic identity than Marxism. Stalin continued this trend and backed Jewish ethnic interests indirectly throughout his entire life. Jews remained in control of the Stalinist system even through the purges. Dr. Johnson also writes that Stalin had three wives, all of them Jews, and that Vyacheslav Molotov was married to a Jew. (Source: Johnson, Matthew Raphael, The Soviet Experiment: Challenging the Apologists for Communist Tyranny, Upper Marlboro, Md.: The Barnes Review, 2019, pp. 72-73).
Al is one meme away from a padded cell. Stalin is not Jewish. 90% of his claims are just hyperbole, like Stalin is Jewish. He is a anti Vatican 2 radical catholic, who if was not anonymous would be in real trouble with the church.
‘For the authorized translated (chapter 9, 14 is not featured) of Two Hundred Years Together included in The Solzhenitsyn Reader where Solzhenitsyn’s dismisses such notions of a Jewish conspiracy for both 1905 and 1917 revolutions, see…’
There you go. Allow a complete translation in English to appear, and it’ll undermine the wilder fantasies of the more unhinged antisemites (these days, I’d describe myself as a hinged antisemite).
Look. Everything Solzhenitsyn ever wrote has promptly appeared in English in at least a preliminary edition within months or a year or two of its publication in Russian. Here we are twenty years after Two Hundred Years Together first appeared and still no English-language publisher has printed it.
You really don’t think anything should be read into that?
But you’re basically interested in countering and rebutting all anti-semitic thoughts. In pursuit of that, you keep cooking up lame rationalizations, flawed arguments, and ineffectual evasions. These may satisfy you, but they don’t convince anyone reading your posts.
When someone shows up who actually wants to discuss these issues in good faith, I’ll be all ears. So far, though, I see little reason to take you seriously. You’re just not honest.
I am just not sure of your point to all this, with your insistence on naming the Jews at the leadership or married to Jews of the leadership of the Bolsheviks. What is your point? You keep naming them like a top 10 list. You sound deranged. Yes the Jews were over represented, and yes the names you list were horrible sadistic people. Bad Jews for sure. There exist and have always existed bad and good Jews in the world,.similar to bad and good Christians, or Chinese etc. Bolshevism was not fighting for Jewry, or Judaism.
They were Jews in name only, and were godless as were the Christian Bolsheviks. It was a godless movement.
What is the difference between horrible Jews and horrible sadistic Christians? Do you remember the SS of the Third Reich? Truly sadistic people, as witnessed by all of Europe, where Germany conquered, including torturing women and children. What about the Einsatzgruppen death squads? Are you going to say it is all a lie? Like there were no bad horrible German Christians.
Can I give you some names? Eichmann, Gobbles. Goring, and Hoss the commandant of Auschwitz? Who can forget Mengele, and his torturous medical experiments. Hitler’s decision to gas the mentally and or physically disabled, against family wishes. Christianity does not need to defend against these sadistic cruel people. These men do not represent Christianity. They did represent Germany. But not all or most Germans were sadistic. Good Germans tried to assassinate Hitler.
So again what is point, in pointing that there were tortuous sadistic Jews in the Bolshevik movement? You are obsessed with bad Jews. There were horrible Bolsheivick Christians in that movement. Most Jews were anti Bolshevik and supported the whites in the civil war. These men did not represent Jews or Judaism. They did not claim what they did was in the name of Judaism, unlike the Nazi’s who fought in the name of Germany’s desire to conquer the world, and declare racial superiority to the slavs, blacks and Jews. Apples to apples John?
What a childish deranged argument Nuff said.
Why didn’t you make your article interesting by pointing out that Peter Longerich is a Jew who tries to hide the fact that he’s a Jew. I know that you never put anything in your articles that you can’t footnote from a book by an established author but … why not break out of the mold once in awhile?
Everything points to the fact that Longerich is Jewish even though you won’t find any information on his racial, ethnic, religious, parental background, not even on Wikipedia where it usually can be found. But there is this: https://ulmer-denkanstoesse.de/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2016_Longerich_Peter.jpg Can’t hide that peculiarly Jewish nose even though he does hide the extra-long Jewish ears.
And there is this giveaway too: he’s consistently worked with other Jews, and been associated & assisted by Jewish Foundations and organizations. These include David Cesarani whom he worked alongside at the Research Centre for the Holocaust at Royal Holloway, University of London (see my book review on Cesarani here: https://jan27.org/are-we-nearing-the-end-of-auschwitz/. You might enjoy it.) He was the Shapiro Senior Scholar-in-Residence at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in New York in 2003-04, where he conducted research and wrote his bio on H. Himmler. Only Jews are given anything at the USHMM, a totally Jewish operation.
And there is also his name, ending in rich. Most people with surname Rich are Jewish. Longer is also close to Langer, which is always Jewish.
Holocaust historians and other specialists in the field, are overwhelmingly Jewish. Are they there because they want the truth about what happened? Hell no, they want to help prop up what most know is a far-fetched and fragile narrative built on sand (i.e. testimony). It’s almost like a service .. a sacrifice .. for the well-being of the Jewish community. Everyone does his part. What they do to Germans, and now practically the whole White race, they don’t care. Pox on them!
You missed an opportunity, John.
Chabad Fran’s lips are moving. She hopes her habitual lies will prompt readers to ignore the evidence of the primary and disproportionate role of Jews in crimes against humanity in the 21st century http://judaism.is/genocide.html as in the 20th century. http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html Further, the (((occupied))) Vatican is not the Church. http://judaism.is/new-order-of-pharisees.html
You write: “I am just not sure of your point to all this, with your insistence on naming the Jews at the leadership or married to Jews of the leadership of the Bolsheviks. What is your point?”
My response: My point is that the horrific killing machine that was Soviet Communism was dominated and led by Jews. There is nothing wrong with stating this fact.
You write: “Can I give you some names? Eichmann, Gobbles. Goring, and Hoss the commandant of Auschwitz? Who can forget Mengele, and his torturous medical experiments.”
My response: Adolf Eichmann was not involved in a program of genocide against the Jews. He was illegally kidnapped by the Israeli Mossad, and did not receive a fair trial in Jerusalem. For more on Eichmann, please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6316.
I am not a huge fan of Joseph Goebbels, but I don’t think he was involved in a program of genocide against Jews.
Hermann Goering did steal a large amount of very valuable paintings and lived in a mansion with a yacht. In my opinion, Goering could have been convicted of stealing from the German public, and he was not a nice guy. However, he was not guilty of a program of genocide against Jews.
Rudolf Hoess was brutally tortured into making his famous confessions at Nuremberg and later trials in Poland. He was not guilty of a program of genocide against Jews. I have written an article on Hoess that has yet to be published.
Josef Mengele did not send anyone to homicidal gas chambers, and I am not convinced he was involved in illegal medical experiments. You can read my article about Josef Mengele at https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/13/1/7585.
You write: “Do you remember the SS of the Third Reich? Truly sadistic people, as witnessed by all of Europe, where Germany conquered, including torturing women and children. What about the Einsatzgruppen death squads? Are you going to say it is all a lie? Like there were no bad horrible German Christians.”
My response: You can read about these and other topics such as the German euthanasia program in my book “Germany’s War”. Ron Unz has published my book on this website at https://www.unz.com/book/author/john_wear/. If you are like me and prefer to read hard copies of books, you can order my book at https://barnesreview.org/product/germanys-war/.
Hilarious and desperate squirming on your part, Saul.
The dozens of (((self-incriminating))) remarks are corroborated by numerous other sources, a fraction of which of which I posted. More evidence here: http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html It is also amusing to see you resurrect the rabbis’ “context” defense—as if any context excuses “Communism is Jewish,” “sex with children is OK,” “Kill even the best of the Gentiles,” “only Jews are human,” or any of Judaism’s other fundamentals. http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html
Oddly my “fringe” website has aggregated overwhelming verifiable evidence against Jews that is missing from such reputable mainstream [snickering] sources as the ADL website. So perplexing, eh? Just another cohencidence.
Here is a compendium compiled by Vatican archivists—you know, “antisemites”—archived on my website: http://judaism.is/assets/plotagainstthechurchcomplete.pdf Pay special attention to the tally of Communist Jews that you risibly insist is a negligible fraction of the guilty. There is a special section on “Jewish testimony” that is well-footnoted for your verification (or reflexive gratuitous denial, as is your habit).
I understand your desperation. Even talmudvision-watching “normies” have figured out that the Communist genocides, 9/11, mainstreaming of perversion/pedophilia, and the engineered economic looting (“collapse”) are Jewish.
Let the trials begin.
Lest we forget, a little hat-tip to Chabad Fran. http://judaism.is/chabad.html
You write: “Why didn’t you make your article interesting by pointing out that Peter Longerich is a Jew who tries to hide the fact that he’s a Jew.”
My response: I was not aware that Peter Longerich is Jewish. Thanks for letting me know.
You say that. We can go back and forth. I disagree, he ran a concentration camp where millions died. The men I listed were the architects of the 3rd Riech and Hitlers Germany, one of the most brutal dictatorships we have ever seen. They were the men in charge. You want to say that it is all made up. I say all your Jew Bolshevik accusations are lies. Yours is a fantasy world you and few people alone inhabit. To say that the architects and the rulers of the Hitler’s Germany and the concentration camps, the racial superiority was not brutal and sadistic? Most of the world world will disagree with you. Especially eastern Europe.
Aaron Soltz does not sound like a bad guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Soltz
The torture of Rudolf Höss is well documented.
A group of about 25 men were sent the night of March 11, 1946 to arrest Höss. Many of them were German Jews such as British Cpt. Howard Harvey Alexander. Some had kept their original names, such as Kuditsch and Wiener; others had taken on British-sounding names, like Roberts, Cresswell and Shiffers. There were also English-born soldiers from Jewish families, such as Bernard Clarke and Karl Abrahams. Virtually all of these men were enraged and eager to take out their revenge on Höss. (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Commandant of Auschwitz: Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions, Uckfield, UK: Castle Hill Publishers, 2017, p. 32).
In 1983, the anti-National Socialist book Legions of Death by Rupert Butler documented that Sgt. Bernard Clarke and other British officers tortured Rudolf Höss into making his confession. The torture of Höss was exceptionally brutal. Neither Bernard Clarke nor Rupert Butler finds anything wrong or immoral in the torture of Höss. Neither of them seems to understand the importance of their revelations. Bernard Clarke and Rupert Butler prove that Höss’s confession was obtained by torture. (Source: Faurisson, Robert, “How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 7, No. 4, Winter 1986-87, pp. 392-399).
Moritz von Schirmeister, a former associate of Joseph Goebbels, confirmed that Höss’s confession was obtained by torture. At Nuremberg, von Schirmeister sat in the backseat of a car together with Höss, with whom he could speak freely during transit. He remembered Höss’s following statement:
“On the things he is accused of, he told me: ‘Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and a half million Jews. But I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not.’” (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Commandant of Auschwitz: Rudolf Höss, His Torture and His Forced Confessions, Uckfield, UK: Castle Hill Publishers, 2017, p. 16).
British Pvt. Ken Jones confirmed that the British used sleep deprivation to break Höss. Jones stated:
“We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed with axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to help break down his resistance. When Höss was taken out for exercise, he was made to wear only jeans and a thin cotton shirt in the bitter cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke down and made a full confession to the authorities.” (Source: Ibid., pp. 16-17).
[laughing uproariously] Only if you count like this… http://judaism.is/holocaust.html
or this…
or this…
You’ve piqued my curiosity, Colin. Can you describe the difference between a hinged and an unhinged antisemite, in your opinion? Thanks.
The gassing of Jews in Auschwitz is well documented. The separation of Jews photographed by SS officers of the Hungarian Jews arriving in Auschwitz is well documented. The people were divided into lines by SS men. Well documented. The people to the right went to work in the camps. The people to the left went to the crematorium a building with ovens for humans and a billowing chimney well documented. The people that went to the left were the old, the sick and small children. You can spot where they were walking to by the buildings they passed in Auschwitz. Well documented. All documented by SS officers. The people who went the crematorium were never seen again. Never. There were no transports out they never left the crematorium. Well documented. No one ever saw or heard from them again. Well documented. Your boy Hoss who was tortured was there.
In 1944 when Germany invaded Hungary there were 800,000 Jews living there. between June to August 1944 530,00 Jews were shipped to Auschwitz. Well documented. This was towards the end of the War and many people were trying to stop this from happening. It was so well documented you could have been there. Of the 800,000 only 225,000 survived. 80% were gassed upon arrival. Too late in the war for typhoid. It is all well documented.
Would you like to see some documentation. It is mind boggling. Is this documentation enough or you? What happened to the people walking to the building with the smoke stacks? Hoss was tortured? He was in charge of this.
The arrival (this is all German documentation requested by Hoss)
The selection left to right lines.
The lines to the crematorium, where these people died. Look at them to poor, sick and young to work.
The landscape and architecture of Aushciwtz is well documented to know that these people went to the crematorium.
I spent less than half an hour finding the information given in my comment. Less time than it took me to compose the comment. You could do the same, but I guess maybe you can’t. You have no curiosity to go off the beaten path AT ALL.
‘You’ve piqued my curiosity, Colin. Can you describe the difference between a hinged and an unhinged antisemite, in your opinion? Thanks.
I’ll thank you — I wanted to expand on that.
Unlike many here, I’ve known a lot of Jews — depending on how you look at it, twenty-thirty percent of the people I grew up with were Jewish. On the whole, I like them. I used to say that, given a choice, I’d rather be stranded on a desert island with your average Jew than with your average gentile. That may have changed, but… You see my point.
Really, I think the problem is that while Jews and their tendencies are alright individually, the aggregate effect is a killer. If you have a garden, one rabbit hopping about might be alright. I wouldn’t try fifty.
And that has to be confronted. ‘Two Jews — three opinions’ was cute when they weren’t in the driver’s seat. Now that they are, the effect is proving catastrophic.
We cannot let Jews run things. That’s becoming very clear. That people shy from facing that fact is proving fatal. As I say, it’s all getting to be like trying to deal with the flooding in the basement — while being unwilling to admit that the broken pipe right in front of you might be the problem.
I don’t see a monolithic, malevolent Jewish conspiracy — any more than I see the individual rabbit as bent on turning my backyard into a desert. I do see what happens when they’re all allowed to go to town at once. Perceiving that is step one.
You might want to look at the Auschwitz Album. Most of the Germans in the photos are well known and identifiable. What do you think of this documentation John?
https://mchekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/AuschwitzAlbum-1.pdf
Here is a colorized shot of the some Jews from the Hungarian 1944 transports waiting in the woods outside Crematorium 3 and 4. Now why would Jews be waiting outside of the crematorium John?
Do you doubt these documents are real? Sure beats your version of the well known torture of Rudolf Hoss. No? The photo is self explanatory. You can smell the death coming right thru the photo.
Do you doubt the transportation and death of the Hungarian Jews of 1944?
You write: “The gassing of Jews in Auschwitz is well documented.”
My response: There were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Please read my articles at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 for more information.
blockquote>You’ve piqued my curiosity, Colin. Can you describe the difference between a hinged and an unhinged antisemite, in your opinion? Thanks.
Unhinged !!! LOL!! That would be you Caroline. You are the poster child for why people want H denial and Hitler lovers banned. You are unhinged with your school girl crush on Hitler.
Colin would be hinged. He may hate Jews but he knows the Holocaust is real.
Stupid stupid question Caroline. Even your H denial buddies think you are unhinged.
You just unearthed the dark secret that Peter Longerich is closet Jew with his hook nose and big Jew ears?
Mazel Tov, that is such a find. Shatter the world with that one. Your Jew fetish is one of your more unhinged traits. You do know you have a Jew fetish?
Personally my favorite Caroline Yeager is your Better Homes & Garden book tour of Auschwitz with swimming pool and soccer fields and nannies and babies. A best seller.
You write: “Is this documentation enough for you?”
My response: These are merely pictures of people at Auschwitz-Birkenau. They do not prove that any of these people were murdered in homicidal gas chambers. This “documentation” proves absolutely nothing.
You write: “I spent less than half an hour finding the information given in my comment.”
My response: Good for you.
Then I say piss on your well documented torture confession of Hoss
I say piss on all of your documentation. These Auschwitz photographs, along with German commanders, Jewish Sonderkomanders, and eye witness is tons more proof that Jews were murdered at Auschwitz on mass than your well documented torture of the Hoss confession.
Your lack of logic disqualifies all of your documentation including proof that the Jews lead the Bolshevik revolution. You need way more than six names, and way more documentation to prove that the Bolshevik revolution was a Jewish conspiracy run by Jews.
Where are you photo albums, list of Jewish names of all the Bolsheviks ? You have no proof of anything beyond gossip. How many more names and list of Jewish Bolsheviks do you have, beside one written? Yet you are willing to disqualify the death of people walking to a crematorium, and never leaving as murder, with eyewitness and the confessions of the murders?
Who do you think is going to win the day, the murder of the Jews at Auschwitz or 6 Bolsheviks?
Who would you put your money on?
A short reply; I would like to continue tomorrow. You haven’t explained your distinction between hinged and unhinged yet. But this …
You sound like this is the first time in history Jews have been found to be “catastrophic” to their host nation. Jews have been run out of country’s on a hundred different occasions through history, or something like that. I don’t have an exact number. But they always find a way to return and to do it all over again. Maybe more cleverly. But I have realized that even if the Nat. Socialists had succeeded in getting all Jews out of Europe, it would not have been the end of their (our) Jewish Problem.
Jews are supreme networkers and they span the world. They are not rabbits, but more like ants or cockroaches — impossible to get rid of. Being individually likeable (as you say), they will bring in other Jews to work with them one way or another. Pretty soon there will be a nest. They now have “their own country” but won’t stay in it. It’s said they are natural parasites.
You don’t sound very intelligent here, Colin. You also don’t sound like you’ve even begun to think this through. There are many, many people who are WAAAY ahead of you, including myself. I mean, how do you keep Jews living as individuals and not joining together? You don’t. Unless you had very many, very draconian LAWS that would be cost-prohibitive to enforce. Well, hopefully step two and three will be more revealing.
P.S. BTW, I don’t see a “monolithic, malevolent Jewish conspiracy”either. Who does? I see a whole bunch of smaller Jewish conspiracies. And I see a Jewish mentality that goes back to the Old Testament Bible. Particularly the 5 books called the Torah are full of shocking details. This is not an easy thing to change.
You write: “I say piss on all of your documentation.”
My response: You can do want you want.
You say: “…piss on all of your documentation.”
I say: “You are damn lucky that only 270 thousand of you, died in a war that you started.” http://judaism.is/holocaust.html
As if the Jews have stopped at merely “colorizing,” double-exposing, and cropping their faked photos? http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#techfakery
During the Zuendel trials in Toronto, it was conclusively proved that no such documents, ie. Hitler ordering the extermination of Jews, had been found.
The curator at the Bad Arolsen archives in Germany, is on record for making a similar statement.
Methinks that 77 years after the fact, and who knows how many labour hours spent in an effort to locate such a document especially for the Lipstadt / Irving trial in London, one may safely conclude that such a document does, in fact, not exist.
“…he ran a concentration camp where millions died…”
Still waiting for the authenticated forensic evidence to substantiate those assertions.
One would think that 77 years ought to be enough time to unearth any such evidence.
Still waiting for the authenticated orders from Hitler instructing Germans to go forth and kill all Jews.
Never mind that there were 150,000 Jewish soldiers in the Wehrmacht.
Well, Frannie certainly earned an E for effort, albeit with nothing to show for it.
By your asinine illogic these pictures and Putin’s diary prove that he has already killed 6 million Jews, including his own Chabad rabbi! [laughing] (((Idiot)))!
LOL. Maybe the worst montage ever!
Who put that together…Stevie Wonder?
Okay Colin, no further response back yet, and I realize its a tough one. Maybe you’re working on it. However, I am ready to announce my solution, which I think is the ONLY way Jews in any number above 500, can be allowed to remain in the United States without wrecking it. I agree with you that many Jews are good people and pleasant to be around, so it’s the beliefs they are instilled with that are insane and cause their mental derangement, especially when under pressure from other Jews.
My plan is in 3 parts, not steps, because it will all go into effect at once (after a proper preparatory time).
Drumroll …
Part One: Jews must give up being Jews where it conflicts with being American, or just human beings. The “American Way” must be the rule. What that means is no Jewish Religious establishment except the most ‘reformed’ Reform Judaism and synagogues. No special tax exemptions. No ancestor worship or public pronouncements of a special relationship with the One God. It also means no special Jewish courts, no special Jewish laws like circumcision, no kosher (rabbi-approved) methods of slaughtering animals, no kosher labeling on foods & other widely-consumed products. They don’t have”rights” that are separate from other Americans. If they want/need that, they can move to Israel. That’s why Israel was formed and Israel welcomes them.
I realize it will be argued that this is against the American Constitution. The Constitution has already been revised to accommodate lesser problems than our current Jew Problem, and it could be again. There would be a huge resistance from several quarters, but this is necessary for what follows.
Part Two: No dual-citizenship! For anyone.
Part Three: No organizations to benefit Jews specifically. No ADL, no World Jewish Congress or American Jewish Congress, and hundreds of others. Anything that advances “a nation within a nation” must be judged a problem organization. (This can apply to Blacks too, who should no longer require such help.)
IOW, Jews must identify as American in America. If they want to identify specifically as Jewish, they must go to the Jewish State, or anywhere else that still gives such a right to Jews.
This is how we save America as a European nation. And why don’t we have a right to? We do.
— There you go. Allow a complete translation in English to appear, and it’ll undermine the wilder fantasies of the more unhinged antisemites (these days, I’d describe myself as a hinged antisemite).
Unlikely, cognitive dissonance becomes a fixed worldview for such people. True believers, you have a test case in the history of the Protocols, clear examples from just all the passages taken from older works almost word for word. Solzhenitsyn appealing that neither 1905 or 1917 Revolutions were not a grand Jew-led conspiracy does nothing for them. They ignore him and jump on White propaganda or hoax lists while sharing single-liner quotes void of context from publications they have never even read, as seen.
— Look. Everything Solzhenitsyn ever wrote has promptly appeared in English in at least a preliminary edition within months or a year or two of its publication in Russian. Here we are twenty years after Two Hundred Years Together first appeared and still no English-language publisher has printed it.
Not accurate, The Solzhenitsyn Reader itself contained translations of works previously unavailable. Had The Red Wheel not been 6.000 pages you would have Two Hundred Years Together. Try and translate 1.000 pages and see how long this would take, Solzhenitsyn was a novelist not a historian which is why his works are so overly long. Just his style. His wife complained that he was writing works of folklore, not real history.
— You really don’t think anything should be read into that?
Not really, the foundation was sidetracked in authorizing an abridged edition of The Gulag Archipelago which itself took time to condense, while causing delays in the intended processing of The Red Wheel.
— When someone shows up who actually wants to discuss these issues in good faith, I’ll be all ears. So far, though, I see little reason to take you seriously. You’re just not honest.
Contradict anything I have stated.
Good post! I agree with you 100%.
I do not think that there is anything “unconstitutional” in your proposals to “reign in” the jews.
In fact, all of your proposals do meet constitutional muster as they do not discriminate against anyone, “equal justice under law” being the salient point.
It is no secret that jewish organizations are given “carte blanche” when it comes to present laws already “on the books” prohibiting “foreign organizations” from influencing the political process in the country. These laws are conveniently ignored and are never enforced on jewish organizations.
Israel’s “Samson Option”, israel’s possession of nukes and the threat to detonate a nuclear device in any country that does not cater to israel’s whims is but one example of American law not being applied in israel’s case. In order to receive “foreign aid”, countries must abide by International Atomic Energy Agency requirements regarding inspection of nuclear facilities. In addition, the Symington Amendment codifies this into American law. Israel abides by neither and still receives the bulk of American “foreign aid”.
All one needs to do is apply the existing laws on the books regarding foreign organizations operating within the borders of the USA.
Let’s not forget the “special exemptions” given to israeli companies, allowing them to bypass normal customs inspections, directed specifically at israeli companies.
Not only must “dual citizenship” be abolished for all, any American citizen, whether native-born or naturalized, should lose his or her American citizenship and undergo permanent deportation if they serve in the IDF. It is interesting to note that, in most cases, to qualify for American citizenship, one must renounce one’s foreign citizenship. All except for israelis.
Any American politician or government employee who holds “dual citizenship” should be summarily prohibited from holding any position within any governmental agency pending mandatory deportation.
Presently, the census department (Department of Commerce) is prohibited from categorizing jews on census forms. This has to change. Jews must be identified, no different than that of others who are counted and categorized.
I would like to add one more…close ALL holocaust museums (jewish freak shows) within USA territory. There is no place for these presently taxpayer-funded abominations in the USA. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay one penny for these jewish freak shows.
Best regards,
Well that is a little harsh no? Not sure about the E for effort, is that good or bad? Do you have the list of the 150,000 Jewish soldiers that served in the Wehrmacht, or some sort of corroboration of those numbers. Never heard that.
So you are waiting for some forensic evidence umm let me see. Are you good at math? Have you done the numbers for the Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz. That is well documented by the Hungarians, the Germans and the the camps. See my list of numbers on post 380. You have 437,000 missing Jews. These Jews were never registered in the Auschwitz camp record which they did for ever prisoner that was registered for work.. There is no record of them any where. They were never seen again upon arrival at the camp. Did the crematoriums at Auschwitz have a transporter like Star Trek where all these Jews were beamed up to a waiting space ship? Where did the Jews after they entered those neatly marked crematoriums.
You do know that the crematorium ovens were specially designed to burn human corpses very quickly? These ovens were high tech with pattens etc. They were constantly being redesigned for greater burning capacity. Why do you think they needed to keep redesigning the ovens for greater capacity to burn more corpses? Just curious to know your thoughts on the why’s of the super charged crematorium ovens.
As for Hitler giving direct orders. Hitler gave direct orders to gas (the first gassings by the National Socialist were German citizens) the mentally and physically disabled. Orders for that do exist. There was such an uproar from the church and families, that Hitler was forced to stop the gassings. After that experience Hitler was loathed to put future gassing orders in writing. It was just too much for the church.
But there does exist really terrific documentation from Topf and Sons regarding the design and functionality of the crematorium ovens. They not only designed and build them they repaired and monitored their functionality to increase speed for burning a corpse upon orders from the Reichstag.
These ovens were not used to bake pies. You can google the plans and drawings for the building of these ovens, as well as the orders and factory that they were built in as well as the people who build them.
It gets better the ovens at Auschwitz were supper charged for maximum body burning.
You write: “You do know that the crematorium ovens were specially designed to burn human corpses very quickly? These ovens were high tech with pattents etc. They were constantly being redesigned for greater burning capacity. Why do you think they needed to keep redesigning the ovens for greater capacity to burn more corpses? Just curious to know your thoughts on the why’s of the super charged crematorium ovens.”
My response: Thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day at Auschwitz-Birkenau as is commonly claimed. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that based on his experience it would have only been possible to cremate a maximum of 184 bodies a day at Birkenau. Lagacé stated that the claim that the 46 retorts at Birkenau could cremate over 4,400 bodies in a day was “ludicrous,” “preposterous” and “beyond the realm of reality.” (Source: Canadian Jewish News, Toronto, Feb. 12, 1985, p. M3. See also Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 270).
If you have an additional book or other reference documenting these “super charged crematorium ovens,” please let me know. I will be glad to read your sources. If you want to learn more about the crematorium from a revisionist viewpoint, I suggest reading Carlo Mattogno’s three-volume study of this subject available from Castle Hill Publishers at https://castlehill.shop/product/the-cremation-furnaces-of-auschwitz-a-technical-and-historical-study-3-volumes/.
You write: “As for Hitler giving direct orders. Hitler gave direct orders to gas (the first gassings by the National Socialist were German citizens) the mentally and physically disabled. Orders for that do exist. There was such an uproar from the church and families, that Hitler was forced to stop the gassings. After that experience Hitler was loathed to put future gassing orders in writing. It was just too much for the church.”
My response: The German euthanasia program did happen and is reasonably well documented. The alleged German genocide of European Jewry did not happen and is not well documented. I wrote an article on this subject which you can read at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4885.
My response: Thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day at Auschwitz-Birkenau as is commonly claimed. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that based on his experience
Just like your 5 Bolsheviks, and the supper documented coerced Hoss confession I am sticking with the engineers at Topf and Sohne, they have patents and testing for their ovens with specifications for mixing the ashes not for standard burning. I like German engineering over your Legace guy, who managed a large crematorium but is not an actual oven designer and engineer. Just a manager.
J.A. Topf and Sohne (German: J.A. Topf & Söhne) was an engineering company, founded in 1878 in Erfurt, Germany by Johannes Andreas Topf (1816–1891). Originally, it made heating systems and brewing and malting equipment. Later, the company diversified into silos, chimneys, incinerators for burning municipal waste, and crematoria. During World War I it made weapons shells, limbers (carts for carrying artillery) and other military vehicles. In World War II it also made weapons shells and aircraft parts for the Luftwaffe.[1] It is now infamous as the largest of 12 companies that designed and built crematoria ovens for concentration and extermination camps during the Holocaust, planned and carried out by the Nazi regime from 1935 to 1945. The company not only made crematoria ovens, it also made ventilation systems for the gas chambers at Auschwitz II–Birkenau.[2
These Topf and Sohne engineers spent weeks on the job site testing the burning speed. Do you doubt German engineering. The finest in the world. Look at the U boats.
On site observations[edit]
Topf & Söhne engineers and other staff visited the concentration camps many times, not only to install and repair equipment, but also to observe processes to help make them more efficient. Before crematoria II, III and IV at Auschwitz II were officially put into operation, on 5 March 1943, in the presence of high-ranking SS officers from Berlin, camp authorities and Topf & Söhne staff, a test of crematorium II was held to measure the speed at which bodies could be disposed of. Those present observed the bodies being put in the ovens and burned. They used stop-watches to time the process and took notes.[12][14] On 13 March 1943 the engineer Karl Schultze and Heinrich Messing witnessed a test sample of 1,492 Jews from Kraków Ghetto being killed in the gas chambers at Auschwitz II and then cremated. Karl Schultze later gave a full report about this to Ludwig Topf.[1][14] Messing, who was a communist, not a Nazi, spent from January to June 1943 working at the camp. In an interview given in 2005, his daughter Hildegard who was 16 in 1943, said she would never forget him saying on his return, “If what I have seen comes out, we will all be wading up to our knees in blood”.[16]
You write: “Do you doubt German engineering. ”
My response: No, I do not doubt German engineering. However, if Germans had designed what you call “super charged crematorium ovens” during World War II, they would be in widespread use today. Engineers and other scientists would have used the German technology to develop similar or better crematorium for use today.
Solzhenitsyn is foremost a novelist, than a historian: he had no access to any archives when he wrote, The Gulag Archipelago which largely came from those 227 survivor testimonials–ironically some survivors later critiqued him for distorting their experiences–since published in, Till My Tale Is Told; Woman’s Memoirs of the Gulag (2001).
“I would not be so bold as to try to write the history of the Archipelago. I have never had the chance to read the documents. And, in fact, will anyone ever have the chance to read them? Those who do not wish to recall have already had enough time–and will have more–to destroy all the documents, down to the very last one.” — The Gulag Archipelago, Introduction
As stated by Stephen A. Barnes, a specialist on the Gulag–Solzhenitsyn’s work is an accurate overview of the Gulag, although because he had no access to archives his details are dependant on those 227 testimonials from survivors, while his inflated numbers are readily disregarded.
With the opening of the Soviet archives in 1991–ironically people who have no interest in Soviet Russia don’t know this, but the opening of the Soviet archives was funded by a grant made by George Soros which secured access to Yale and established their Annals of Communism Series in 1992, considered the most comprehensive collection available in the West–alongside their Stalin project at the Stalin Digital Archive. George Soros, a Jew funded/secured the opening of the Soviet archives, of supposedly the Jew-led USSR, is the dissonance triggering ideas of a cover up? Most likely for those that search and note such connections. see: Inside the Stalin Archives by Jonathan Brent
— You are also correct that David Duke mentions Solzhenitsyn in the 2007 edition of his book “Jewish Supremacism.” Duke writes on page 51 “…Solzhenitsyn in his opus, “The Gulag Archipelago”, used the research of a Soviet statistician who had access to secret government files, I. A. Kurganov, to estimate that between 1918 and 1959, at least 66 million died at the hands of the Communist rulers of Russia.
David Duke is lying to you above, he included that Solzhenitsyn used Kurganov (and is based on, “secret government files”) this is his own invention. Kurganov had no access to any secret files, they were just his casual indirect estimates. Solzhenitsyn in Letter to the Soviet Leaders, The Gulag Archipelago, and Warning to the West, never once claimed Kurganov’s estimates were based on any “secret government files.”
It’s unfortunate John that you depend so much on David Duke’s work, in articles and on here–bypass him and go to the source, Solzhenitsyn and Ivan Kurganov (a pseudonym, his real name was Ivan Koshkin).
Letter to the Soviet Leaders, 1975:
“In addition to the toll of two world wars, we have lost, as a result of civil strife and tumult alone–as a result of internal political and economic “class” extermination alone–66 (sixty-six) million people!!! That is the calculation of a former Leningrad professor of statistics, I. A. Kurganov, and you can have it brought to you whenever you wish. I am no trained statistician, I cannot undertake to verify it; and anyway all statistics are kept secret in our country, and this is an indirect calculation. But it’s true: a hundred million are no more (exactly 1 hundred, just as Dostoyevsky prophesied!)…”
The Gulag Archipelago, abridged 2018:
“According to the estimates of emigre Professor of Statistics Kurganov, this “comparatively easy” internal repression cost us, from the beginning of the October Revolution up to 1959, a total of sixty-six million–66,000,000–lives. We, of course, cannot vouch for his figure, but we have none other that is official. And just as soon as the official figure is issued the specialists can make the necessary critical comparisons.
Solzhenitsyn, from 66-100 million–now up to 110 million.
Warning to the West, 1989:
“Forty years earlier Dostoevsky had predicted that socialism would cost Russia 100 million victims. At the time it seemed an improbable figure. Let me ask the British press to acquaint its readers with the impartial three-page report of the Russian statistician Professor Ivan Kurganov. It was published in the West twelve years ago, but, as is so often the case with matters of social significance, we only notice things that are not contradictory to our own feelings. From Professor Kurganov’s analysis, we learn that if Dostoevsky erred, he erred on the side of understatement. From 1917 to 1959 socialism cost the Soviet Union 110 million lives!”
Why is Solzhenitsyn a writer and not a historian?:
https://aif-ru.translate.goog/society/opinion/1355722?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
Kurganov published his estimates in the early 1970s, (his methodology was critiqued because he included figures of those who was not born, he claimed persons are missing from population growth estimates–therefore they had been killed, without being born by Communism). His biography is interesting–an officer in the White Army during the Civil War, 1918-1922, became Professor of Economics in 1934, moved to Germany in 1943 where he continued his anti Bolshevik campaign, emigrated to America in 1950 and changed his name from Ivan Koshkin to Ivan Kurganov, authored some books, then died in 1980.
see: The Case of Professor Kurganov. Who Came Up with 110 Million Victims of Stalin?
https://aif-ru.translate.goog/society/history/delo_professora_kurganova_kto_pridumal_110_millionov_zhertv_stalina?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
If Kurganov’s numbers were based on internal figures and alleged secret documents as stated by David Duke (he estimated them in the 1970s, he was out of Russia by 1943) how come no one cites him? His papers are held by the Hoover Institution. Because they were casual estimates, nothing more. Take his estimates of 44 million Soviets killed in WW2, current estimate alone are 26-27 million–quite a difference. The Holodomor, 1932-1933 is a similar case–estimates of up to 6-10 million were argued before 1991, al Conquest. Today Ukrainians own statisticians based on local and regional expected birth rates from before and after 1933 is now estimated at around 3.5 million. The Holodomor being apart of a larger Soviet famine of 1931-1934. The Ukrainians ironically do not including unborns into overall deaths, al Kurganov and Solzhenitsyn.
— Pictured on page 79 of the “Gulag Archipelago II” are the leading administrators of the greatest killing machine in the history of the world. They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. All six are Jews.”
I’ll have to cross reference this claim on p. 79 later, as shown above by Duke misrepresenting Solzhenitsyn–claiming Kurganov estimates was based off secret government files, he can’t be trusted to rely accuracy.
It’s not been proven that Frenkel was Jewish. Solzhenitsyn was mainly responsible for crediting him as Jewish. Frenkel had been arrested on the border in the early 1920s and was sentenced to 10 years, he was regarded as being either a smuggler or a merchant (some claim he was from Odessa, Turkey, Austria, Palestine and even America). It’s claimed and rumoured that he established the food for work concept of camp labor–production and food rations were tied to target outputs, you don’t meet the set targets–food was reduced. Whether this basic idea was Frenkel’s is unclear, could have been; but this is all he is known for. He met Stalin in the 1930s, claims they had met circa 1927 just no evidence recording this has been found. He worked on the White Canal, was pardoned during the purges, nothing else. His influence deemed by scholarship on the Gulag is considered to be overstated to the camps.
You are back to counting, 6 Jews allegedly controlling the 400+ main camps, I don’t get this thinking, too childish and simple. The same as quotes consisting of a single sentence, they intentally avoid context.
Summary, Solzhenitsyn’s estimates are taken from Kurganov who if you check those links you can see his methodology was off base being solely motivated in his propaganda campaign to link unborns as deaths from Communism. Why not depend on modern scholarship for death tolls per each events? Like R.W. Davis, Viktor Zemskov, J. Arch Getty, Stephen Wheatcroft etc. Solzhenitsyn himself wanted accuracy of numbers and admitted that Kurganov were his own indirect estimates, however faulty. But again though, you have no interest in the topics.
I have pointed this article out to you before. Much of your research and documentation is from round 1 of H revisionism, which went unchallenged for a long time. because no one took revisionism seriously. Preposterous to deny the Holocaust. So you revisionist had a lot of air time and was really in the beginning eye opening.
Recently there have been many scholarly rebuttals to the main revisionist research, which I have pointed out to you in the book on Action Reinhardt, and the website directly confronting all of your research piece by piece. Bottom line, original H revisionism the original arguments have already been reduced to rubble. Proven not only wrong, but conspiratorial in the desire to paint the Jews as liars and thieves. Not at all a blind impartial study of the Holocaust. Tainted with bias. IE (Carolyn Yeager wanting to currently deport all the Jews in the US.LOL.)
This article that I posted called Body Disposal At Auschwitz. The End of Holocaust Denial refutes Legace, Mattagono and others. Irrefutable evidence from the designers of the ovens. I have showed you this article before.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
It blows Legace out of the water. As I mentioned he was a manager, not an engineer or designer. The information from the Topf engineers is staggering about body disposal. READ it. All of your resources are old and outdated. Especially true of Mattagono as well. Who cares about Legace when you got Kurt Prufer, who worked for years on these ovens and has design patents. Geez.
Mattogno totally ignored this information. Rather, he focused on the November 8 information which shows 72 bodies burned. He erroneously claimed that it took 24 1/2 hours to burn these bodies. He had misread the time sheets. The actual burning time for these bodies was between 16 and 17 hours.
LOL John. Think about how those ovens were used at Auschwitz, mixing the ashes. Not letting the oven cool down to dispose of each corpses ashes. Who would want today to be cremated with everyone 4 or 5 bodies all at once. What was done with body disposal at Auschwitz was inhumane and madness. Never to be repeated.
I have done additional research regarding the crematorium capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Carlo Mattogno has written an article on this subject available for reading online for free at https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/01-dth.pdf.
Mattogno’s article begins on page 367 of this updated version of the book Dissecting the Holocaust, edited by Germar Rudolf. This article, because of the subject matter, is very technical and detailed. Mattogno’s bottom line estimate of the bodies that could have been cremated is shown at the top of page 397 of this article. Mattogno estimates that the actual capacity of people that could have been cremated per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau is 572 normal bodies.
This is certainly more than Ivan Lagacé’s estimate, but well below the 4,756 bodies per day that is often cited by “Holocaust” historians.
You write: “I have shown you this article before https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/.
My response: I have read this article. It is written by John C. Zimmerman, who I have heard was a Jewish tax accountant. Our educational backgrounds are actually fairly similar, except he got a MPA in tax, whereas I went to law school. Mr. Zimmerman is no more technically qualified than I am to discuss engineering and scientific issues. I do not consider him to be either objective or authoritative.
Your quoted statement says: “Contrary to Legace and Leuchter, it is known that the Topf ovens could work on a continuous daily basis.”
My response: The Topf ovens could work about 20 hours per day, but Carlo Mattogno cites at the bottom of page 396 of https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/01-dth.pdf that:
“This cremation capacity is, however, purely theoretical, because it ignores an important fact: according to the memo of March 17, 1943, the normal activity of the crematoria was only 12 hours per day, of which the first hour was probably needed to bring the furnaces back to operational temperature, meaning that only 11 hours were left for actual cremations. Hence, the actual capacity was only 60% of the values given above.”
I suggest you read Mattogno’s entire article for more detail.
You are missing the big point here. Wear is not interested in the truth. None of these people are. They have a pre set condition called Jewish derangement syndrome. All of their research is based on this brain function, whose prime directive is to prove that the Jews are evil and are collectively conspiring to take over the world. So they need proof, like the Bolsheviks were all Jews and killed 100 million Christians. In the hopes that if they can convince you of that. You will fear them today.
Look at what Caroline Yeagers just posted. Who the fuck other than a lunatic is going to put in writing something not only stupid, but clearly crazy.
This is what Ron Unz has to say about you Al. Like I said you are one meme away from a padded cell.
You write: “It’s unfortunate John that you depend so much on David Duke’s work, in articles and on here–bypass him and go to the source, Solzhenitsyn and Ivan Kurganov (a pseudonym, his real name was Ivan Koshkin).”
My response: I wouldn’t say that I depend primarily on David Duke for this information. As shown in my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2022/04/29/jewish-involvement-in-the-bolshevik-revolution/, I use many sources to reach this conclusion.
It is getting fairly late at night here in Dallas, Texas, and I have been spending a lot of time responding to Fran Taubman. I am ready to go to bed. I am curious if you think that under Stalin, special laws were passed to protect Jews. If such laws were passed, this would seem to support the claim that Jews had special power and influence in Stalin’s regime.
For example, from what I have read, Pavel Sudoplatov was the wartime director of an elite unit of Soviet intelligence named the Administration for Special Tasks. Sudoplatov said that Gregory Kheifetz, an undercover NKVD operative in San Francisco, met Robert Oppenheimer alone for lunch in December 1941. Kheifetz was an experienced Soviet agent who knew better than to approach Oppenheimer with the usual money or threats. Instead, Kheifetz created a common ground of interest and idealism that the two men could discuss and compare.
Kheifetz reported in 1943 that Oppenheimer, whose father was a German-Jewish immigrant, was deeply moved by information that Stalin’s policies had crushed Soviet anti-Semitism. They discussed Stalin’s plans to secure a place for Jews in the Soviet Union by setting up an autonomous Jewish republic in the Crimea after the war against fascism was won. (Source: Sudoplatov, Pavel and Sudoplatov, Anatoli, Special Tasks: The Memoirs of an Unwanted Witness—A Soviet Spymaster, New York: Little, Brown and Company, 1994, pp. xiii, 175-176, 188).
Do you think this information I just mentioned is true? Do you think Stalin made special laws to protect Jews?
‘Okay Colin, no further response back yet, and I realize its a tough one…’
There would have been a lot to say, and that you managed to insult me in the course of your post didn’t exactly make me feel obliged to say it.
But to skip ahead to your current proposals…
1. ‘Jews must stop being Jews.’ This overlooks the detail that it is not ultra-orthodox Jews that are the problem, but secular Jews. It is the Chuck Schumers, the Max Boots, the Jennifer Rubins, the Merrick Garlands…
Whatever is wrong with Jews, it’s not a function of their religiosity. Whatever one thinks of the ultra-orthodox, they’re at most an annoyance, not a threat.
I also don’t see why Palestine should be used as a dumping ground for Jewish fanatics. Whatever did the Palestinians do to deserve that?
2. ‘No dual citizenship!’ Sure. Fine. It will hardly solve the problem. Horrific as Israel is, it’s not really the major problem with Jews. It could vanish tomorrow and they would still be wrecking America.
3. ‘No organizations to benefit Jews specifically.’ That’s more substantial. It’s unfair — what about Greek, Armenian, Mormon, etc benevolent organizations?
But that’s okay. Something unfair is going to have to be done. However, again, I’ll point out that it’s hardly going to be sufficient. Often, it’s Jewish altruism that’s the problem, not Jewish selfishness. For example, they are hip-deep in bringing illegals into this country. One can speculate about the underlying motives for that — but it’s hardly going to be stopped by saying they mustn’t help other Jews. It’s not the Jews they’re bringing in at the moment that are the problem.
So you need to do better. Personally, I’m for barring Jews entirely from various fields and professions and imposing a numerus clausus in others. Probably also a bar on Jews making more than a certain amount making any political contributions at all. Maybe just no political contributions at all; barring Jews from all participation in the political process beyond voting would be helpful — and not particularly inhumane. It won’t kill ’em.
So — okay. 1. No Jewish participation in politics beyond voting. 2. No Jewish presence in any form of media. 3. Sharp limits on Jewish domination of academia would probably be for the best as well. 4. I suspect we may find it necessary to impose some upper limit on Jewish wealth as well. Particularly as we bar them from other forms of endeavor, their presence as vulture capitalists, etc is only going to worsen.
Such measures are ugly, and they’re wildly unfair. They’re even going to impoverish all of us in certain respects — but I don’t see what else to do.
You write: “Wear is not interested in the truth.”
My response: Actually, I am interested in the truth. I have studied the so-called Holocaust from both sides. I have reached the conclusion that 1) there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German concentration camps; 2) Germany did not have a program of genocide against the Jews; and 3) the standard estimate of 6 million Jews who died during World War II is a ridiculous exaggeration.
I think anyone who studied this subject objectively would reach the same conclusions.
When I read your posts, you rely on people and organizations such as John C. Zimmerman, Jean-Claude Pressac, Holocaust Controversies, Dr. Richard J. Green and other similar sources. You act as if they are authorities on the subject. All of these people are either Jews or sposored by Jewish organizations. These people are neither objective or authoritative.
I remember back in the 1990s I sent $100 to the Klarsfeld Foundation to purchase Jean-Claude Pressac’s book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. The Klarsfeld Foundation wouldn’t even sell me the book. Pressac’s book had been so discredited that, at the time, The Klarsfeld Foundation wouldn’t sell it to me.
The official Holocaust story is so easy to discredit that numerous countries in Europe have made it a felony to publicly dispute the official Holocaust narrative. Canada has recently been added to this list. The obvious question to ask is: What kind of historical truth needs criminal sanctions to protect it? The Holocaust story would not need criminal sanctions to protect it if it was historically accurate.
You write: “Wear is not interested in the truth.”
My response: Actually, I am interested in the truth. I have studied the so-called Holocaust from both sides. I have reached the conclusions that 1) there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German concentration camps; 2) Germany did not have a program of genocide against the Jews; and 3) the standard estimate of 6 million Jews who died during World War II is a ridiculous exaggeration.
I think anyone who studied this subject objectively would reach the same conclusions.
When I read your posts, you rely on people and organizations such as John C. Zimmerman, Jean-Claude Pressac, Holocaust Controversies, Dr. Richard J. Green and other similar sources. You act as if they are authorities on the subject. All of these people are either Jews or sposored by Jewish organizations. These people are neither objective nor authoritative.
I remember back in the 1990s I sent $100 to the Klarsfeld Foundation to purchase Jean-Claude Pressac’s book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. The Klarsfeld Foundation wouldn’t even sell me the book. Pressac’s book had been so discredited that, at the time, The Klarsfeld Foundation wouldn’t sell it to me.
The official Holocaust story is so easy to discredit that numerous countries in Europe have made it a felony to publicly dispute the official Holocaust narrative. Canada has recently been added to this list. The obvious question to ask is: What kind of historical truth needs criminal sanctions to protect it? The Holocaust story would not need criminal sanctions to protect it if it was historically accurate.
— “Some call it Marxism – I call it Judaism.”
Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935
Being the most cited quote it’s surprising how no one has managed to provide a scan of this source, context is void: if even genuine. Not even a sentences worth, whatever was omitted, could be multiple paragraphs merged together. As Marxism seeks the collapse of hierarchy, including the family unit, religion, and governments–a stateless, classless society.
In accordance with Judaism? Marx would have not been a Zionist.
— “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution.”
The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250
p. 250? What is The Maccabean publication, it’s not going to be a journal or newspaper at page 250. Yet it’s given as November. No context provided, could be in reference to the February revolution, but that wouldn’t make too much sense, being a uprising started by disgruntled women on International Women’s Day.
— “Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936
So who is the father? Who is the author…
— “We Jews cannot be called upon to denounce Communism.”
The American Hebrew (New York), February 3, 1939, p. 11
What was the supposed motive to denounce Communism in early 1939? This being influence by the Spanish Civil War? Who knows, no context given! Propaganda, dumb down, soundbites no context…
— “British Jew and former rabbi, Dr. Lewis Browne (1897 – 1949) wrote:
“It is obvious then that if the Jewish problem is ever to be solved, far more intelligent measures must be resorted to than those employed by the medievals. […] To accomplish this we must in a measure redeem the Jews and remake the Gentiles. That is what the Communists are trying to do in Russia, and because of their determination and monstrous energy they may actually effect it in three generations. […] Indeed, the Jews are already too numerous in the bureaucracy, and that is probably the chief reason why covert antisemitism is still very rife in Russia.”
Another out of text, quote.
You have quoted how Communism and Judaism are the same, now Lewis Browne is complaining how the Communists are attacking Judaism, of their urban exclusion, complaining that Jews are losing their religion and dating non Jews. Browne is basically reacting to the emancipation from the old world as lived in the Pale of Settlement. His book is an appeal for Jews from losing their traditions and religion. Through the ending of the Pale of Settlement in March 1917, before the October Revolution and how now, there restricted land is being overtaken by outsiders, being the Soviets and it’s negative influence.
Browne on the Jews and Communism, p. 118
“In the historic October Parade in Petrograd which preluded Lenin’s triumph, only two groups still carried banners hailing Kerensky’s tottering regime: the Don Cossacks and the Jews! And when the overturn came and the Communist Party came into power, one of its most perplexing problems was how to win over those Jews. It is true that a handful of them —Trotzky, Zinoviev, Litvinoff, and the like—had been with Lenin almost from the start. But they were Jews only in name. They had long been estranged from their own people, and had as little in common with them now as had Lenin with the middle-class Russians from whom he stemmed. It is a matter of record that at the time of the Revolution there was not a single person in the Bolshevik ranks with sufficient knowledge of Yiddish to start a propaganda newspaper among the Jews! There was good reason why the Jews were so averse to Communism. Natively they were bourgeois. For centuries their fathers had lived by trade, and even those of them who had become factory-workers still had the trader’s point of view. They wanted to strive for the good life as individuals, and Communism would not let them. So they hated it. Those who could do so, fled away. No one knows how many hundreds of thousands of Jews emigrated from Russia during those years immediately following the triumph of the Soviets. But the rest had to adjust themselves to the new order of things. It was an ordeal for most of them, an ordeal.”
Is English your second language or something?
“The well-known American Jewish banker, Mr. Jacob Schiff, was known to be anxious to secure recognition for the Bolshevists, among whom Jewish influence was predominant;”
That sentence clearly says Schiff DID want to recognize the Bolsheviks.
anxious – wanting something very much, typically with a feeling of unease.
“the company was anxious to avoid any trouble”
@CHABAD FRAN Unable to provide actual evidence of the existence of your “4-story” super-duper-flammenwerfer crematoria with conveyor belts at Auschwitz, you switch the subject. • So… asking Ron if the quote could be attributed to him makes me a “mental defective”? As if you have so admired Ron’s opinions? So touchy and opportunistic those Jews.
Notwithstanding Ron’s self-vaunted scientific genius, my evidence prompted him to walk back his false (“absolutely nothing”, “never said”) and unsupported claims.
Me responding:
to Ron’s claim:
The full post: https://www.unz.com/runz/9000-retweets-and-800000-video-views/#comment-5433574
at which point Ron dropped the argument, never providing any scientific support for his ridiculous “5,000%” nonsense. Opposing his “scientific” claims, I linked several peer-reviewed studies and provided the image of Wuhan crematoria emissions that you see above.
So, Chabad Fran, since you open the door to review past posts to see who is a “mental defective,” let’s examine your record.
Plenty more self-incriminating confessions from Jews with sources: http://judaism.is/assets/plotagainstthechurchcomplete.pdf The preceding chapters amply document the enormous disproportion of Jews in Communism. I restrict this post to only Jewish confessions.
Saul, since you repeat your “context” deceit, I will repeat: “It is also amusing to see you resurrect the rabbis’ ‘context’ defense—as if any context excuses ‘Communism is Jewish,’ ‘sex with children is OK,’ ‘Kill even the best of the Gentiles,’ ‘only Jews are human,’ or any of Judaism’s other fundamentals. http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html ” Your abuse of “context” regarding Jewish Communism’s confessions parallels what Hoffman observed about the Talmud’s apologists:
This is a video of the Jewish “Holocaust” revisionist David Cole’s tour of Auschwitz in 1992. He spent several days there taking a personally guided tour with one of the Auschwitz tour guides and then spoke to Dr. Franciszek Piper, the Head of Historical department of the Auschwitz Museum at that time. This video illustrates that the Auschwitz tour was deliberately deceptive, that the Soviets (from which the claims about Auschwitz originated) deliberately lied about the supposed 4 million death figure at Auschwitz and how the story then flourished in the West when the western allies, who also deliberately lied saying many prisoners were gassed at Dachau (now acknowledged to be untrue by the most devout “believers”) spread the story around the world.
The fact that Cole is Jewish enabled him to pose the questions he did without the tour guide being forewarned she would be asked tough questions. Later when Cole interviewed Dr. Piper, his answers showed the tour guides were leading deliberately deceptive tours (probably unknown to themselves) and that Dr. Piper himself holds beliefs (at least at that time) that contradicted the beliefs of even the most devout “Holocaust” believers, namely that Jews were made into soap. That claim was accepted to be false by all “Holocaust” historians at that time already. The tour does much more, demonstrating the crumbled foundation the claims about Auschwitz stand on. In my opinion these interviews demonstrate there is no proof whatsoever to the Auschwitz claims. It definitely shows the story originated and was promoted containing lies.
David Cole: David Cole in Auschwitz—David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum
https://archive.org/details/cole-remastered-hb-27-est
Speculate? The ultimate test of sincerity in their claim that it’s a deeply held “Jewish value” to “welcome the stranger” is how welcoming they are to strangers in their own stolen homeland. We know they assiduously work to flood our precious homelands with 3rd worlders, but they work just as assiduously to keep them out of theirs.
Now, that’s what I call Jewish altruism!
I of course gave some thought to the Holo museums, but quickly ruled that out because I am basing the justification for placing these restrictions on Jews on their beliefs that are unAmerican, in that they work against the interests and unity of the traditional American people.
Such measures as I’ve suggested, away from what we’ve tolerated up to now, do need a justification. I tried to restrict my suggestions to something defensible AND consistent, and Holocaust museums are not in the same category as BELIEFS themselves.
The under-riding or overriding Belief is that a Jew is Special and an Exception, and therefore deserves special laws for him alone. This Belief cannot exist in someone else’s country that was built for this “someone else.” It’s a demand for special privilege by self-given right! No, only in one’s own country built by themself can this be done. Of course, Palestinians disagree that “Israel” is THAT, but that’s their affair. What Americans must take into account is that our own American President (Truman) made the mistake of recognizing “Israel” as a state in 1948, so we as a nation are stuck with that … for the time being anyway. Our military (Eisenhower, Marshall, et al) went along with and even aided the false story of concentration camp atrocities, gas chambers, intentional starvation, blah blah, both to the news media and at the Nuremberg Military Tribunals. America is guilty of helping to foist the Holocaust myth on the world. Shortsighted goals, indeed!
Hitting the holohoax (oops I mean “holocaust™”) head-on doesn’t work because of the jew-controlled media which has declared “holocaustianity™” to be the new worldwide “state religion” from which no dissension from its “orthodoxy” is permitted.
The only way to counter “holocaustianity™” is to point out the scientific and engineering impossibility of every “holocaust™” claim.
Let’s look at a number of claims that have been made and have been ingrained in “holocaust™” orthodoxy:
— using “bug spray” (Zyklon B) as an execution agent (ha ha)
—“gas chambers” with ordinary wooden doors, not gas-tight doors
—“gas chambers” with no means to ventilate the chambers after “operation”
—“gas chamber” chimney not connected to anything
—“blood spurting out of the ground” for weeks and months
—“crematoria stacks with visible flames” (not possible) crematoria burn clean
—“thousands of bodies cremated per day” (not possible)
—“multiple bodies” in one “muffle” to “speed up” operations
—“lampshades, soap and shrunken heads”, oh my
—“the ability to tell when jews are being cremated by the smell or color of smoke”
—“claimed burial grounds not being permitted to be disturbed” per jewish “law”
NONE of these claims are possible or valid and can be easily debunked using sound scientific and engineering principles.
The last sentence should be “The media would be improved.” This was the first time I had seen the media so obviously lie to the public. There were times in the past that the media was lied to or made mistakes, but they never lied to the public. Before this case, we wondered in there were any homosexuals in the media. Now we wonder in there are any straights in the media.
The media is also unified over the fact that the New York Times has the power to buy juries. No one ever disputes this.
Ten seconds on Google will provide a list regarding the 150,000 Jewish soldiers in the Wehrmacht, including an entry by Haarez.
A book regarding this topic was written by Bryan Mark Rigg.
As you say, they flunk that test… especially as Fran’s Chabad actualizes Judaism. http://judaism.is/chabad.html
Was saying your first comment “didn’t seem very intelligent to me” an insult or just an opinion? Any reader will make up their own mind and judge me accordingly. Anyway, I’m pleasantly surprised by your newest comment.
On the contrary, it is the orthodox and ultra-orthodox BELIEFS that underlie the “Jewish problem,” and on which the secular Jews base their claims of privilege, while not admitting to it. The Mossad motto, “By deception …” is the core of the Jew’s success throughout the ages. It is incumbent on us not to be deceived. As illustration of my conviction on this, please take a glance at https://carolynyeager.net/special-treatment-jews at this link. In 2017, I published a series of 16 articles based on current news stories of medicare, medicaid and other fraud by Orthodox Jews in the New Jersey and New York areas heavily populated with Orthodox Jews (the non-Orthodox didn’t lift a finger to stop it, nor did they appear embarrassed by it). I call the series “Stop Special Treatment for Jews,” which I hoped would catch on. It didn’t. I hope you will decide to read it. You may call this type of crime “small potatoes” and overall it is. But it adds up to a ton of crime (most never prosecuted) inspired by the insane RELIGIOUS beliefs that millions of Jews hold about themselves, that they, and all Jews, exploit for profit.
My position on the First Amendment “Freedom of religion” clause,” is that “freedom of worship” never meant special financial advantages for the established church institutions, but only freedom of conscience to believe what one chooses and to participate spiritually with others accordingly. I don’t think that means an across-the-board tax exemption for religious institutions & their property. But this is what keeps these Orthodox Jews and their yeshivas and special schools here. It’s what brought them in the first place.
So I disagree that “whatever is wrong with Jews is not a function of their religiosity.” The more religious they are, the less they give a rat’s ass about the USA, except as it affects their own safety and well-being. Their allegiance is totally elsewhere.
The good thing about banning dual citizenship is that, although important, it’s not very controversial (but will still be opposed my many on various grounds). So between the outcry on nos. 1 & 3, it will feel reasonable and doable.
These organizations make no impact on American life; are just feel-good entities for those who run and participate in them. They seek to “fit in” with American values and goals. Jewish benevolent organizations and “charities,” otoh, number in the hundreds or thousands, are worth billions or at least millions, and dominate in media coverage. Now, how do they manage to do all this? Networking. Utilizing their peculiar talents and chutzpah where it counts. Could we get our people to do the same. Doubt it.
I need to do better? Well, I agree your recommendations are more pointed and would be effective, BUT they sound suspiciously like what was done in National Socialist Germany under Hitler! Is that your intention?
No political participation by Jews at all. I love it! But how would you accomplish that without building a consensus? How about initiating a false flag attack that could be blamed on Jews?? That type of thing seems to work.
No Jewish presence in any form of media. Wow, none! Many many Jews would be out of work and on the public dole. Even Hitler didn’t try to do that.
Limits on Jews in higher education. More Jews out of work. How about all public & private secondary and primary education, too? Who would then run the teacher’s unions?
Limits on Jewish wealth. Double Wow. How could that possibly be done? The Republican Constitutional Conservatives wouldn’t stand for it.
I hate to say it but I suspect you don’t want to do anything, Still, if you keep talking this way it might have some small impact. Notice that no one other than ‘anarchyst’ wants to join in on this conversation. Guess they consider it Dead on Arrival … or it’s too far above the intellectual limit of those who remain reading this thread. Would you consider writing an article for publication at Unz.com? It would get lots of attention and we could have a lively debate.
Well this is one of your more interesting questions. It is not historical truth that needs protecting. It is the integrity of the search. The observation by most people is that H revisionist and their revised history is not in search of the truth, but rater part of a larger conspiracy to frame the Jews as evil conspirators, who have the desire and ability how to manipulate the world and cause cataclysmic events to occur throughout history, for their own benefit, thru supernatural means as left overs from Jesus’s time.
The conspiracy of the Jews to rule the world thru witchcraft and demonology, has been around since the Middle ages (really before) and was perpetrated by the Catholic Church and Christianity at large, culminating in the Holocaust and the 2nd world war.
After the second world war the Church felt a tremendous mea culpa for perpetuating ancient myths about the Jews, and felt that the Churches demonization of the Jews is what allowed Hitler to to try and genocide the Jews. The experiences of the Europeans thru the Holocaust, the inhumane treatment of the Jews was too much for most people
To stop something similar from happening in the future, Christianity will no longer accept Medieval Jewish conspiracies, which is what Holocaust denial is part of. It is just a continuation or rebirth of ancient medieval demonization of the Jews. Christians have spiritually bonded with the Jews. They more than the Jews will put a stop to your revised history and criminalize the spreading of Jewish conspiracies, which they view Holocaust denial as part of, nota isolated people searching for the truth. H denial is just repetitive Jewish conspiracies and the continual conspiracies about the Jews being super natural satanic demons. Your view points. H denial is not a separate field.
The other side of the coin being that if you lived thru the Holocaust and know it to be real, deniers and conspirators must be stopped. It is danger meeting danger. A war really, that at the moment you deniers and revisionist are loosing badly.
Boy, are you wrong !!!!! I guess you’re quite young and think history started when you became aware of it. That could be as little as 5 years ago! One thing the media has always done a whole lot of is “look the other way” and “lie by omission.” Maybe you don’t consider that full-blown lying. You should though.
— The well-known American Jewish banker, Mr. Jacob Schiff, was known to be anxious to secure recognition for the Bolshevists, among whom Jewish influence was predominant;”
That sentence clearly says Schiff DID want to recognize the Bolsheviks. [.]
You are twisting the definitions of a person anxious (worried) to recognise the new Bolshevik leadership into Schiff allegedly being “eager” too, even though their rise in October caused the Provisional Government to walk away that Schiff had supported in February 1917.
Your twisting implies Schiff was “eager” and happy to see the newly established government he had supported–be overthrown by the Bolsheviks, contradicting his own objectives since 1904 being the downfall of Tsardom has accomplished by the 1917 February revolution.
Makes no sense. So staying in context with Schiff’s advocacy over his past 13 years. Interesting logic. Being anxious does not infer dread or worry, it means happiness and joyfulness. Anyone today with an anxiety disorder are not anxious and overcome with dread, fears, and worrys, they are actually in a joyful state of happiness. Who knew…
At less than 13% of the Bolsheviks party leadership in 1917, how is this “whom Jewish influence was predominant.” I recall reading that Schiff stopped any loans into Russia following the Bolsheviks takeover in October, clearly the reaction of someone happy with the new regime.*
see, Delphine Slotten’s essay, being the most complete overview on such alleged claims, which 100 years later no one has managed to prove.
p. 16
*In 1928, Jacob Schiff’s biographer, Cyrus Adler, wrote the following: [Schiff] continued to take interest in obtaining funds for the new [Provisional] Government, as long as the moderates remained in power, consulting the Secretary of State, however, to find out whether this would be agreeable to the American Government. He had no relations with Russia, however, after the Bolsheviks secured control, being utterly out of sympathy with their methods and principles.
pp. 12-14
“Another well-known author of the 1920s, Henry Wickham Steed, was a proponent of the “Jewish conspiracy” theory. His book Through 30 Years, 1892-1922 describes his attempts to bring the conspiracy to the attention of President Woodrow Wilson. Though unsuccessful in doing so, he did make the following allegation regarding the conspiracy:
“Potent international financial interests were at work (at the Peace Conference) in favor of the immediate recognition of the Bolshevists. Those influences had been largely responsible for the Anglo-American proposal in January (1919) to call Bolshevist representatives to Paris at the beginning of the Peace Conference. […] The well-known American-Jewish banker, Mr. Jacob Schiff, was known to be anxious to secure recognition for the Bolshevists.” 27
Steed’s allegation was followed by several shorter but increasingly direct, incriminating American and British government documents. The summary of one British intelligence report quite flatly made the following accusation: “There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews.”28
Schiff’s role within the larger “Jewish conspiracy”
Perhaps the most incriminating evidence regarding Jacob H. Schiff’s leadership of an alleged “Jewish conspiracy” (as evidenced by the November 7, 1917 Bolshevik Revolution) is the U.S. Department of State’s Decimal File No. 861.4016/325, compiled between 1910 and 1929. The central document, entitled “Bolshevism and Judaism” and dated November 12, 1918, describes the U.S. Army Intelligence Bureau’s belief that planning for the Bolshevik Revolution first began in February 1916.29 Investigators explained that among the four listed Jewish banking parties, they had “discovered” that Jacob Schiff was the primary perpetrator in this “enterprise of “destruction.”30 (Investigators accused Schiff’s firm, Kuhn, Loeb & Company, as being the second largest perpetrator.) The government document continued, explicitly stating that “there is then scarcely any doubt that the Russian Revolution […] was worked up and launched by distinctly Jewish (Zionist) influences.” “In the Spring of 1917,” the document continued, “Jacob Schiff began to commission Trotsky (Jew-Zionist) to bring about the actual Social Revolution in Russia.” 31
The American government appears to have sought to make its case credible by referencing several Jewish individuals and firms in the U.S. and Europe who had allegedly participated in the financing of the Revolution at Schiff’s request: Kuhn, Loeb, and Company; Trotsky and Company; the Rheinish Westphalian Syndicate; “Jewish multi-millionaires”; the Brothers Lazard; Guenzbourg of Petrograd; and Speyer and Company. The investigators concluded that “if we remark further that the Jewish firms mentioned […] are in close relations with the Jewish bank of Speyer and Company […], it will be apparent that the Bolshevik movement as such is in a certain measure the expression of a general Jewish (Zionist) movement, and that certain Jewish banking houses are interested in this movement.” 32
Because no American government document following Decimal File No. 861.4016/325 established these “close relations” as having existed, and because this lack of document can be interpreted as a lack of further interest on the part of the American government in pursuing the issue, it can be argued that the American government was not thoroughly invested in the idea of a “Jewish conspiracy” existing and that this indifference most likely was derived from the absurdity of such an accusation and of Schiff’s own innocence.”
https://schiffnaturepreserve.org/JacobSchiffEssay.pdf
Yikes John come you ditched Legace’s data which you swore on so quickly. I read Mottogno’s (if one can really read such technical stuff), and it is ridiculous. It is an attempt to intimidate people with data so they will think that there is no way that 40000 plus bodies could have been cremated at Auschwitz in one day. You know we are back to the why’s of why Mottogno needs desperately to prove the claims by the Kurt Prufer and Topf are false.
Why is Mottogno so desperate with his technical data and math. Because the ability of the ovens to cremate over 4000 Jews a day, leads to the logical conclusion and answer to where are the missing Jews?
Those 437,000 Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz during the summer of 1944 are at the bottom of those Topf ovens. Those Jews became ashes. Remember John no more than 93,000 Jews were registered as prisoners of Auschwitz at any given time. The most plausible explanation that hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews transported within a few months were murdered and cremated. It is therefore paramountl that Mottogno muster up technical chart after technical chart to minimize the oven capacity, to be able to deny that it was impossible to murder and cremate that many Jews.
This idea of why you need to challenge Purfer’s math circles back as to why you need to prove that the Holocaust is a fabrication by the Jews. See my last post.
But I am a bit confused on this one. First Mattognos technical details are all BS designed to intimidate and think wow I guess he knows what he is saying. Such technical details are superfluous. Laughable. Cremation of human bodies is not rocket science. It is a fairly simple and basic technology.
The bigger question is why don’t you accept the math if Kurt Purfer and the Topf engineers, and the people that worked daily at the ovens and took notes.? They were given design criteria to speed up the cremation process. It was a big deal, as you can see by the correspondence back and forth between SS commanders and the Topf. With the exception of the workers these were all top German engineers working for the betterment of Germany. Do you not believe them? These engineers tested the time with stop watches and real bodies. Mattognos is so so theoretical and based on crazy data.
I could point this out, but it seems a waste of time. I doubt anyone will respond to those charts and graphs.
Purfer was so clear about his findings. he put two or more muffles (where the body enters) to one beefed up chimney. Which to start off with is illegal. You once asked me that if the Auschwitz / Birkenau crematorium were so spectacular why weren’t they in use today. Well John they are illegal. But as Purfer explained so succinctly, that running the ovens continually without cooling down was less stressful to the fire walls then getting the temperature up and cooling down. Because you were entering two or more bodies at one time, you had a super heated self perpetuating bias furnace. It was so hot the bodies were incinerated immediately, drastically increasing the speed. Purfer stressed that you needed to keep the doors and vents closed for this to occur. It was so hot that as the sonderkomandos said you needed very little coal to keep it going only to start it. Again the Topf and Purfer ingeniously designed a self perpetuating oven by combining the muffles to one. Got to hand it to those German engineers.
Why the need for Mattogno to challenge this with all of his ridiculous charts and graphs. He is not an oven designer and has no expertise in engineering. I just do not get it, unless it is part of your larger dishonest quest to prove that the ovens could not possibly handle the hundreds of thousands of Jews brought into the camps at one time, thus proving that the Germans did not murder and cremate Jews as part of a genocide plan. (they had 46 multi muffled ovens, that is a lot of ovens).
If the ovens cannot cremate 4000 plus Jews per day then well there goes entire extermination plan.
So patently dishonest John. I am sticking with Purfer and Topf on this one. I reject thoroughly Mattognos data.
You see why people see thru your phony desire for the truth, in quest of the larger demonization and degeneration of Jews and Judaism?
Michael Hoffman a decade ago was exposed for misrepresenting quotes from the Talmud, in his book Judaism Discovered (2008) by Jan Irvin of Gnostic Media and others–no wonder in the above he appeals against Context. Why read pages of discussions of the Talmud when you can extract single sentences out of “context” to rally against?
Hoffman belongs to the fringes.
Let’s not forget that it is jewish-run legal organizations behind the successful “push” to remove displays of Christian symbolism from the “public square” while at the same time menorahs are popping up all over the place with no pushback. Even the White House sported a large menorah during the holiday season. Jewish chutzpah knows no bounds.
Double standard indeed…
You write: “The other side of the coin being that if you lived thru the Holocaust and know it to be real, deniers and conspirators must be stopped. It is danger meeting danger. A war really, that at the moment you deniers and revisionist are loosing badly.”
My response: Holocaust revisionists are winning the historical debate. That is why people who have a vested interest in protecting the official Holocaust story have made it a felony in so many countries to contest the official Holocaust narrative.
Jews who survived the “Holocaust” had their opportunity to give testimony during both the 1985 and 1988 Ernst Zündel trials in Toronto. The Jewish “Holocaust” survivors who testified in the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial did so poorly that no survivors of the so-called Holocaust were called to the witness stand during the 1988 Zündel trial. The prosecution in these two trials could find no Jewish witnesses who could credibly testify in regard to the “Holocaust.”
Based on what information do arrive that you are winning? How many books have you sold. How many hits on your website. On the historical reviews website. Your own side says that it is over.
Seriously no one took Zundel to be anything but a crackpot. If you want to see thousands of hours of testimony. Go to Yad Vashem, or just google Holocaust survivors testimony on YouTube.
There are many private collections. My cousin is in the Yale University Fortunoff collection. All of these testimonies were painfully transcribed for hours by people who wanted to get in down, in preparation for people like yourself. Just go to YouTube.
Sorry a. — You are right but I’m not going to get into defending Christianity. It’s too big a part of the problem. Plus there are innumerable criticisms like that about Jewish behavior that can be made. I see “the American Way” more in terms of our guaranteed constitutional freedoms. They are clear and noble, while Churchianity is a quagmire.
By the way, I’m curious to know if you are a Canadian. I do remember you said once you lived there, or something to that effect. Do you mind saying? Thanks.
Why don’t you believe the man who worked at the crematorium and performed the cremations?
This sound reasonably sound to me. No need for coke, the fire was self perpetuation. Mattogno’s information is theoretical and misses so much real world experience. Overly thought out, and totally bogus and proven categorically wrong. You cannot refute this John.
The most complete account of the operation of these ovens was given by Sonderkommando Henryk Tauber in his deposition of May 1945. Auschwitz was liberated in January 1945. It is as close as is available to a contemporaneous document. Tauber began work in Krema I in February 1943 but was eventually moved to Kremas II and III. He also worked in Krema V. Mattogno never addressed Tauber’s testimony. Tauber stated that it was common to burn five bodies simultaneously in an oven. He also stated that it took about an hour and a half to incinerate five corpses being burned simultaneously. [166] This time period is not unrealistic. Recall that it was earlier noted that a Japanese oven could burn five bodies simultaneously in a period of 2 to 2 1/2 hours in 1911.
Tauber also noted that under the right conditions it was possible to burn eight bodies simultaneously in an oven. He mentions the case when there were eight emaciated corpses. He also states that when children were incinerated the Sonderkommando would
burn the bodies of five or six children with two adults. [167] He even described how the children’s bodies were placed in the furnace to prevent their falling into the ash bin. [168]
Tauber also addresses the issue of fuel usage in the burning of the bodies. His testimony is important in this respect because he shows that it was an issue and the authorities had developed methods of dealing with it. He explains:
As I have already said, there were five furnaces in Crematorium II, each with three muffles for cremating the corpses and heated by two coke-fired hearths. The fire flues of these hearths came out above the ash [collection] boxes of the two side muffles. Thus the flames went first round the two side muffles then heated the center one, from where the combustion gasses were led out below the furnace, between the two firing hearths. Thanks to this arrangement, the incineration process for the corpses in the side muffles differed from that of the center muffle. The corpses of … wasted people with no fat burned rapidly in the side muffles and slowly in the center one. Conversely the corpses of people gassed on arrival, not being wasted, burned better in the center muffle. During the incineration of such corpses, we used the coke only to light the fire of the furnace initially, for fatty corpses burned of their own accord thanks to the combustion of the body fat. [169]
Tauber’s explanation of using the body fat of fat corpses as a source of fuel was emphasized elsewhere in his testimony. Thus early on he mentioned that “[t]he process of incineration is accelerated by the combustion of human fat which thus produces additional heat.” This method was used in Crematoria II and III. Later on he mentioned that when a fat body “was charged into hot furnace, fat immediately began to flow into the ash bin, where it caught fire and started the combustion of the body.” [170]
Using the body fat of corpulent victims as a fuel was something that would require first hand knowledge. Tauber was a shoemaker and would not have been in a position to know this without actually observing it. The issue is how credible was this testimony. The German engineer Rudolf Jakobskotter, who Mattogno had cited as an authority on cremation ovens, wrote that body fat produces heat for burning in an oven. [171] Mattogno did not directly address the issue of using body fat in the ovens as a source of fuel. He had initially dismissed testimony about using body fat in cremation pits to accelerate the burning process. However, he subsequently withdrew his initial objection by writing that “I have discovered that such a procedure can be made to work if done in a determined fashion…” [172] Tauber had also discussed how body fat was used in the cremation pits to accelerate burning. [173] The process of using body fat in an oven was also described by Sonderkommando Filip Müller, who noted that the authorities had found ways to place the bodies in the ovens to maximize fuel efficiency. In the course of these experiments corpses were selected according to different criteria and then cremated. Thus, the corpses of two Mussulmans [camp slang for emaciated prisoners] were cremated together with those of two children or the bodies of two well nourished men together with that of an emaciated woman, each load consisting of three, or sometimes four, bodies. Members of these groups [SS men and civilian visitors to the crematoria] were especially interested in the amount of coke required to burn corpses of any particular category…
Afterwards all corpses were divided into the above mentioned four categories, the criterion being the amount of coke needed to reduce them to ashes. Thus it was decreed that the most economical and fuel saving procedure would be to burn the bodies of a well-nourished man and an emaciated woman, or vice versa, together with that of a child, because, as the experiments had established, in this combination, once they had caught fire, the dead would continue to burn without further coke being required.” [174] Similarly, Auschwitz camp commandant, Rudolph Hoess testified at Nuremberg that three bodies would be burned simultaneously and that the bodies of fat people burned faster. [175] He also mentioned the burning of three bodies simultaneously in his memoirs, [176] the accuracy of which is the subject of another study on the THHP website.
Saul, utter rubbish!—You are just engaging in stereotypical Jewish character assassination of those who expose Judaism and Jewish behavior.
When I first encountered Hoffman’s Talmud quotes with his first edition of Judaism’s Strange Gods, I was so incensed that I went to our local theological library to disprove his quotes. The outcome. I verified his quotes. To be certain I went to our local university’s Judaica section and there too, I verified the quotes in various Talmud editions.
Bottom line: I have seen that there is no lie the Jews won’t tell and no atrocity that Jews won’t commit. Your character assassination is just another Big Jewish Lie.
You write: “Yikes John come you ditched Legace’s data which you swore on so quickly.”
My response: Both Ivan Lagacé and Carlo Mattogno conclude that 4,400 plus Jews per day could not possibly have been cremated at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Ivan Lagacé testified that, based on his experience as a manager of a large crematory in Calgary, Canada, only about 184 bodies per day could have been cremated at Birkenau. Mattogno, based on his extensive research, concludes that up to 572 bodies per day could have been cremated. They reach different estimates of the dead bodies that could have been cremated per day at Birkenau, but both conclude that 4,400 plus Jews per day could not have been cremated at Birkenau.
You write: “I read Mottogno’s (if one can really read such technical stuff), and it is ridiculous. It is an attempt to intimidate people with data so they will think that there is no way that 40000 [sic] plus bodies could have been cremated at Auschwitz in one day.”
My response: It is a technical subject requiring extensive research. On page 367 of this article, Mattogno writes:
“Over the subsequent 15 years, my historical as well as technical knowledge of this topic has increased to such an extent that the English edition of my study on the cremation furnaces of Auschwitz, which appeared in 2015, was split into three volumes, the first consisting of the text (480 pages), the second of a collection of documents (300 documents, 476 pages), and the third of 364 color and 22 black-and-white photos (242 pages).”
This article is short compared to Mattogno’s three-volume study.
You write: “You know we are back to the why’s of why Mottogno needs desperately to prove the claims by the Kurt Prufer and Topf are false.”
My response: If I remember correctly, Kurt Prufer was arrested by the Soviets, transferred to a prison in Moscow, and interrogated. He was sentenced to a long prison term and died in 1952 of a stroke. I think that any testimony that Kurt Prufer gave to the Soviets under these circumstances was made under duress. His testimony certainly should not be regarded as the final word on this subject.
You write: “Those 437,000 Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz during the summer of 1944 are at the bottom of those Topf ovens. Those Jews became ashes.”
My response: If the Germans had wanted to execute this many Jews, it would have been much easier to shoot them. This is what the Soviets did to approximately 21,000 Polish officers at the Katyn Forest massacre.
The Germans were desperately short of fuel and other resources at this time in the war. Why waste such valuable resources by sending 437,000 Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? Why not shoot them in Hungary instead?
I also question that 437,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau during the summer of 1944. Large numbers of Hungarian Jews could have hid from the Germans. This is what you say many of your Jewish relatives did to survive the so-called Holocaust.
You write: “Cremation of human bodies is not rocket science. It is a fairly simple and basic technology.”
My response: It is not rocket science, but it does take time to cremate a dead human body. This time limits the number of dead bodies that could have been cremated at Birkenau in a given day.
Neither you nor Mattogno will take into account the heat generated by continual burning multiple bodies simultaneously. One after the other, this directly impacts the speed of incineration and the fuel that the body fat provides so that the coke requirement is minimum. That is why I say it is not rocket science and you do not need charts and graphs. It is just basic common sense and physics. Japanese ovens in 1911 burned bodies perpetually and could do it at the same rate as the Auschwitz.
Why do you not believe Tauber who preformed the cremations and worked the ovens?
Maybe the Germans did shoot them, I am not referring to the method of death, I am saying they were murdered upon arrival, and then cremated. That was the plan to exterminate and murder the Jews. Gassing was already a method tried with the mentally and physically ill using carbon monoxide. Gassing was a method the Germans liked. It was bloodless.
Large number of Hungarian Jews could have hidden? When ? After they arrived at Auschwitz?
The documentation of the transports is rock solid. Plus no one has seen those 437,000 people ever again. A real stretch of the imagination to think they were not murdered and cremated. You see in the photos of them sitting outside the crematorium in photos by SS photographers. My relatives never went to the concentration camps. They were from Ukraine and they were hidden from the Einsatzgruppen, it was easier for a young healthy person to run into the woods. A completely different scenario than the Hungarian Jews who were trapped when the Germans entered Hungary. So much documentation, so many people tried to stop it. The war was almost over. They were not registered in the camp. They did not get typhoid. That is why Mattogno is desperate to prove that not all of those Jews could have been cremated in the summer.
The evidence is irrefutable. Purfer had no reason to lie, regardless of his arrest. There were other Topf engineers and repairman that testified to the exact same burning capacity as Purfer and Tuaber spoke about. The ovens ran continually and hot, self perpetuating blast furnaces.
You write: “The most complete account of the operation of these ovens was given by Sonderkommando Henryk Tauber in his deposition of May 1945. Auschwitz was liberated in January 1945. It is as close as is available to a contemporaneous document.”
My response: I do not find Henryk Tauber to be a credible witness to the so-called Holocaust. For more information, please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562.
You write: “Similarly, Auschwitz camp commandant, Rudolph Hoess testified at Nuremberg that three bodies would be burned simultaneously and that the bodies of fat people burned faster. He also mentioned the burning of three bodies simultaneously in his memoirs, the accuracy of which is the subject of another study on the THHP website.”
My response: As we have previously discussed, Rudolf Hoess was brutally tortured into making his famous confessions. In my opinion, testimony from people who have been brutally tortured is no longer credible.
I’m actually pleasantly surprised to learn that Davidson’s English text is at least substantially accurate, even if it does (predictably) soften the import of what is being said.
The nightmare scenario is comparable to what one gets when reading about the Partisan War in Yugoslavia in 1941-45, for example. All parties are lying so ferociously that it becomes impossible to establish with any certainty what the truth might have been.
One does tend to get this to some extent with matters Jewish. On the one hand, Jews usually absolve themselves of all guilt whatsoever. For example, the gentiles of Lithuania et al apparently turn on the Jews once the Germans arrive because gentiles just be that way.
Us? Do anything to provoke it? Of course not. Another aspect is the way Jews — and Jews alone — are the victims. For example, in interwar Poland Polish nationalists subjected both ethnic Germans and ethnic Ukrainians to far worse persecution than they did Jews. But who were the victims we hear about? The Jews…
I was startled to read, for example, that in the interwar years, the Polish army was known to burn whole Ukrainian villages it suspected of harboring Ukrainian nationalists. But we’re to fret about ‘Jewish benches’ at Polish universities.
Those poor Jews. Always the victims… But then, at the other extreme, one gets the monolithic malevolent conspiracy vision of Jewry that the extreme anti-Semites keep returning to.
…and of course that’s no more accurate than the Jewish protestations of snowy innocence. Both sides will deny that’s what they do, but it is what they do.
And where’s the truth? It’s damned hard to ferret out, and you can rest assured that you’ll be abused by both sides when you do.
You ask: “Large number of Hungarian Jews could have hidden? When ? After they arrived at Auschwitz?”
My response: They could have hidden from the Germans when they were in Hungary. You claim that large numbers of your Jewish family members hid from the Germans and survived the “Holocaust”. Many Hungarian Jews could have done the same thing.
‘…The Germans were desperately short of fuel and other resources at this time in the war. Why waste such valuable resources by sending 437,000 Jews to Auschwitz-Birkenau? Why not shoot them in Hungary instead?’
Somebody made an obscure but interesting point in this respect.
Even in the official version of the Holocaust, the killings always took place outside the borders of an established, functioning state. Romania killed scads of Jews — but only in Moldavia and Bessarabia. Jews in pre-1941 Romania weren’t killed. Ditto for Hungary: it was still at least nominally a functioning state, so the Jews weren’t killed there. Ditto for France, Belgium, Holland, even Germany itself. The Jews killed were always in or sent to some no-man’s land, outside the purview of normal civilian government: The General Goverment, Bessarabia and Moldavia, the Western Soviet Union…
Why? The theory is that the most basic function of the state is to assure its inhabitants it won’t kill them. One cannot claim to be a state and start slaughtering the citizenry, even selected groups of it.
It’s an interesting concept, and — unless you reject the data entirely — it does fit the data. If Jews were killed, they were almost never killed within the bounds of a legitimate state. The killing had to happen…elsewhere.
You write: “Even in the official version of the Holocaust, the killings always took place outside the borders of an established, functioning state.”
My response: The Holocaust story originally claimed that there were homicidal gassings of Jews on German soil.
For example, after the war, it was claimed that Dachau and other camps liberated by the Allies in western Germany had homicidal gas chambers. In fact, the U.S. Army produced a propaganda film supporting the notion that Dachau had a gas chamber. The Army film narrator states in this film: “Hanging in orderly rows were the clothes of prisoners who had been suffocated in a lethal gas chamber. They had been persuaded to remove their clothing under the pretext of taking a shower for which towels and soap were provided.” (Source: David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum, Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1992).
Today it is no longer claimed that anyone ever died in a gas chamber at Dachau. (Source: Berben, Paul, Dachau: 1933-1945, The Official History, Comité International de Dachau, 1975, p. 8).
Defenders of the Holocaust story have conceded that there were no gas chambers or extermination camps in Germany. We are now told that homicidal gassings and extermination camps were located solely in Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Union and made off-limits to western investigators. As Dr. Martin Broszat of the Institute for Contemporary History stated in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: “Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed.” (Source: “Keine Vergasung in Dachau,” Die Zeit (Hamburg), Aug. 19, 1960. Facsimile reprint, and English-language translation, in The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 13, No. 3, May-June 1993, p. 12).
Simon Wiesenthal has also stated in 1975 and again in 1993 that “there were no extermination camps on German soil.” (Source: Letters in Books & Bookmen (London), April 1975, p. 5, and in The Stars and Stripes (European edition), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 14. Wiesenthal’s 1993 Stars and Stripes letter is reprinted in facsimile in The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 13, No. 3, May-June 1993, p. 10).
So, the Holocaust story has changed through the years. Once people realized that there were no homicidal gassings of Jews in Germany, it was claimed that the homicidal gas chambers used to murder Jews were solely in Poland.
The Jew Tauber, The German Kurt Prufer, as well as other Topf engineers, and the head of the camp Hoss all testify to the same information regarding body burning rates. Did they get a memo to read?
What are the odds of many people telling the same story?
Kurt Prufer’s information was written before he was arrested. We are talking about multiple bodies being burned.
I find all of this information more plausible than Mattonogo. In addition John, you poke holes in eyewitness testimony because you want to disprove them, not for reasons of gathering information. You ask eye witness to describe a car crash you get many different testimonies, each contradicting the other. Tauber’s information regarding how the muffles and chimneys worked is very real. Who or why is someone going to lie about this. Only if you want to claim that the Jews made up the Holocaust would you need to discredit all the information. A body in the Auschwitz crematorium could be incinerated in 20 minutes. That is where all of the Hungarian Jews went in the bottom of the Topf ovens as ashes. That is the only plausible theory for the missing Jews.
re: Hungarian Jews
Source: https://www.jta.org/archive/more-jews-may-have-survived-in-europe-than-was-thought-possible-jdc-aides-report
I’d argue that the Davidson Talmud soft soaps the genocidal precept. The attached scans show that the Davidson actually substitutes “boys” (benim) for the similarly spelled and pronounced “gentiles” (goyim). Sefaria compounds the deceit by denying they can find a definition for “boys.” Oh really???!!! I discuss these deceits at length here: https://judaism.is/who-is-human.html#kill
You probably already discerned that I argue that there is a monolithic malevolent conspiracy. That said, the average Jew knows Judaism as well as today’s poorly-catechized Catholics (and poorly-formed post-Vatican 2 priests) understand Catholicism. While the machers (“big shots”) knowingly advance their malevolent agenda, the “mockie” Jews are aculturated and habituated to defend the machers even though the machers will sacrifice the mockies in a heartbeat (e.g., Zionist-Nazi collusion https://judaism.is/holocaust.html#collusion and Hitler and his Jews https://judaism.is/world-wars.html#hitlerandthejews and pushing the mRNA “vaccine” on Israelis).
I state their conspiracy thusly: Kabbalah, “the official theology of the Jewish people,” is quite clear that gentiles must be exterminated and any survivors enslaved before the “moshiach” (“messiah” = the Anti-Christ) brings global Jewish hegemony (until Jesus’ Second Coming takes out the “moshiach”). This pivotal dogma is couched in arcane Kabbalistic jargon (e.g., sparks, iskra, Edom, Esau, Amalek), but the “sages” are quite clear that they want us dead—only to enjoy the slavery of a few survivors. I make the detailed and evidenced case here: http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html
Since at least the 19th century, the machers and their Chasidim minions have planned three World Wars. I make that detailed and evidenced case here: http://judaism.is/world-wars.html
Chabad is the richest and most politically-connected purveyor and actuator of this genocidal theology. http://judaism.is/chabad.html Of course, Fran denies both the big picture and the details. While her behavior here suggests she aspires to be an insider with the machers, she is just another know-enough-to-be-dangerous mockie—her death threats and lying activism stand in evidence.
Here is Sefaria.org’s contribution to the deceit as well as a taste of Chabad’s genocidal preaching. http://judaism.is.chabad.html Now you see it; now you don’t. Chabad disappeared the exhortation when it gained gentile attention. That particular instance only survives in screen captures, but other evidence remains.
No. That’s not what that sentence means. You’re either lying or you’re not a native speaker of English. Here are the two relevant definitions of the word anxious.
Steed’s sentence is a clear example of the anxious + infinitive construction with the second meaning. Some writers dislike this usage but it’s very common and a text search of the rest of the book reveals numerous instances of Steed using the word anxious in precisely this way (in the sense of very eager).
-“they were anxious to secure British neutrality”
-“…so anxious are we to avoid any appearance of provocation”
-“He has no diplomatic ambitions and is anxious to return as quickly as possible.”
etc
And then to remove any doubt at all, the fuller passage further demolishes your idiotic argument.
International financial interests favored recognition of the Bolsheviks. And Schiff specifically was “anxious to secure recognition.” And the Bolsheviks were offering in exchange “extensive commercial and economic concessions.”
‘…This is especially true, they said, in the case of Hungarian Jews who were deported en masse about a year ago. It was feared that only 100,000 of the 800,000 deported survived, but there is new reason to believe that perhaps 300,000 may still be alive….’
This wouldn’t surprise me at all. In general, people are astonishingly good at staying alive, while conversely, we always want it to be guid and bluidy. I remember the morning of 9/11. I was on line when the news broke. People were estimating twenty thousand dead…fifty thousand!
I said it would be less than ten thousand — and maybe a lot less than that. ‘Well, I dunno, Colin. I hope you’re right, but…’ It was, of course, just shy of three thousand.
So Jews killed in the Holocaust? God comes down and tell us, ‘actually, it was 3,942,346.’
I wouldn’t be too surprised. But did it happen substantially as portrayed?
Yes. For whatever reason, that may be uncongenial to some — but reality is not a function of what’s congenial.
It is what it is. The Nazis did kill shitloads of Jews. No foolin.’
Frannie never wrote those words… Professor Zimmerman did.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
In fact every word after “John” is the word of Professor Zimmerman.
But Frannie once again failed to give proper attribution. Naughty girl.
‘…You probably already discerned that I argue that there is a monolithic malevolent conspiracy…’
At least you fricking admit it. That’s an improvement over the average — who deny it, then go on to argue as if it were so.
‘Oh, my son, if only you realized with how little wisdom the world is ruled.’ Or, as John le Carre once put it, ‘You spend all your life struggling to rise far enough so that you can at least see the room where all the great decisions are made. At last you reach your goal, and you are able to peep in — and there’s no one there.’
If only we were governed by a wise and far-seeing — however malevolent — rancher. He’d feed us, and make sure we were properly watered, and take measures against anything that might frighten us.
But there is no such rancher. It’s far worse than that.
The worst thing about the last two years hasn’t been slowly realizing that the Jews are in control. It’s been realizing that they’re in control — and that they’re fucking idiots.
‘This is a video of the Jewish “Holocaust” revisionist David Cole’s tour of Auschwitz in 1992. He spent several days there taking a personally guided tour with one of the Auschwitz tour guides and then spoke to Dr. Franciszek Piper, the Head of Historical department of the Auschwitz Museum at that time. This video illustrates that the Auschwitz tour was deliberately deceptive, that the Soviets (from which the claims about Auschwitz originated) deliberately lied about the supposed 4 million death figure at Auschwitz and how the story then flourished in the West when the western allies, who also deliberately lied saying many prisoners were gassed at Dachau (now acknowledged to be untrue by the most devout “believers”) spread the story around the world…’
Well, one of the weirder things about the whole Holocaust story is how the orthodoxy started with the notion that Auschwitz was the center of it all, then was forced to abandon that, but can’t quite let go.
My suspicion is that Auschwitz was primarily a labor camp — albeit a singularly bloody one — until 1944, when it was used to put to death the Hungarian Jews.
Most of the rest of the killing had happened in Treblinka, in shootings all over the Western Soviet Union, by starvation and disease in the ghettos.
But that couldn’t be admitted. Auschwitz had to remain the center. For one thing, the Holocaust orhtodoxy had started with that absurd ‘four million’ figure. For another, there was a shrine to visit. You can’t go to ‘visit’ Treblinka: it’s an open field. Ditto for all the other sites. There is no ‘there’ there.
Only at Auschwitz. There you’ve got your barracks, your rail line, your selection ramp, your gas chambers (even if they are fakes). So the Holocaust faithful are stuck with it. What are you going to do otherwise? Go visit some vacant lot?
He or she knows exactly what ‘anxious’ means in the context used.
These arseholes are here to grind the comments section to a halt. It’s a mitzvot…
You write: “I find all of this information more plausible than Mattonogo. In addition John, you poke holes in eyewitness testimony because you want to disprove them, not for reasons of gathering information.”
My response: Mattogno talks about the cremation capacity of the Topf cremation ovens in the link I provided at https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/01-dth.pdf.
Beginning at the bottom of page 387 of this link, Mattogno analyzes three letters related to the cremation capacity of the Topf cremation ovens. Mattogno then writes:
“In order to determine to what extent the data provided by these three documents are
technologically founded, and in order to estimate the minimum time required for the cremation process in the Topf furnaces at Auschwitz, we shall apply four objective test criteria, all of which are based on practical experience:
1. The results of cremation experiments with coke performed by the engineer R. Kessler
on January 5, 1927.
2. An excerpt from the cremation lists of the crematorium at Gusen Camp.
3. Numerous excerpts of such lists relating to the crematorium of Westerbork.
4. Finally, the cremation lists of the crematorium at the Terezín Ghetto, containing four
oil-fired furnaces made by Ignis-Hüttenbau, which were without any doubt the most
efficient furnaces built during the Second World War, will allow us to determine the
lowest time limit required for the cremation process in the cremation furnaces built
during the 1940s in German concentration camps and ghettos.”
On page 392 of this link, Mattogno writes:
“The 60-minute duration for cremating a single body in the furnaces at Birkenau wasconfirmed by the Topf engineers Kurt Prüfer and Karl Schultze during their interrogationby the Soviet counter-espionage service Smersh. During the interrogation on March 4,1946, K. Schultze stated:
“Five furnaces were located in the two crematoria, and three corpses were introduced
in each furnace [one in each muffle], i.e., there were three openings (muffles) in each
furnace. In one crematorium with five furnaces [and fifteen muffles], one could incinerate fifteen corpses in one hour.”
During the interrogation on March 5, 1946, K. Prüfer explained why the cremation lasted
so long in the Birkenau crematoria:
“In civilian crematoria, pre-heated air is blown in with the help of special bellows, due
to which the corpse burns faster and without smoke. The construction of the crematoria
for the concentration camps is different; it was not possible to pre-heat the air, as a result of which the corpse burned slower and with smoke developing. In order to reduce
the smoke and the smell of a burning corpse, a fan is used.
Question: How many corpses would be cremated per hour in a Crematorium in Auschwitz?
Answer: In a crematorium that had five furnaces and fifteen muffles, one cremated fifteen corpses in an hour.”
Thus, these two engineers confirmed that the cremation furnaces of Auschwitz-Birkenau could incinerate one corpse per hour and muffle. Based on K. Prüfer’s interrogation in the Soviet Union, Prüfer does not contradict Mattogno’s statement that it was impossible to cremate 4,400 plus Jews per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
I agree with you that reading Mattogno on the cremation ovens of Auschwitz-Birkenau is heavy going, but he has done very extensive research on this subject. I think it is well worth your time to read his analysis.
Not a Canadian but do live close to the Canadian border.
Yad Vashem has no authentication mechanism. Anyone can submit fake jewish names and they will be entered into the Yad Vashem database without question. Gotta keep up those numbers…lol
“It is what it is. The Nazis did kill shitloads of Jews. No foolin.”
Still, nothing gives them the right to change our world off the back of what remains a colossal fraud….or does it?
re: Hungarian Jews [Again]
Source: https://www.jta.org/archive/estimony-at-nuremberg-trial-shows-how-hungarian-jews-were-driven-to-slavery
Horrible, I’m sure, but not gassed at Auschwitz.
Do not despair, my friend. Even though these are “the good ol’ days” for which we will soon pine, we are credibly promised a good end—mercy for the contrite and justice for the stiff-necked.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum… and that is the Peace of the Lord, not the “Shalom” that Satan and his synagogue envision for you.
You always find something. All of you do.You use the absurd to disprove the proven. It is classic denial BS. Find a loop hole throw it back and expect to find another little loophole. find the loophole and throw it back, repeat and rinse. We all talk about the academic absurdity of the revisionist methods.which are designed not to disprove, just to sow doubts keep it the denial dance going.
Now Purfer is believable, last post when he disagreed with you, he was arrested and his testimony was not believable. What changed?
The engineers tested bodies in a cold oven. That is not the way the crematorium at Auschwitz worked. It was not even slogging. You start with a cold oven and slow count and as the day wears on, the oven gets hotter and the incineration becomes faster. I would advise Mattogno to run a continuous oven for 24 hours and report back on the body count. My degree is in industrial design and engineering. All things are empirical. Nothing I mean nothing works the way it is written. Tiny things like weather and the condition of the bodies all count. Many of the bodies were children or small women.
Any zane person trying to understand the crematoriums at Auschwitz would have read everything and said it was possible to cremate 4ooo plus bodies a day. Not every day, not every hour. But you cannot argue with the empirical data of eyewitness who explain the way the 2 outer muffles made the center one hum and become really hot. The way the heat switches. There is testimony about the machinery, that if you understood machines you would understand the logic of physical changes as the ovens ran. I have a forge for blacksmithing (gas and air) and by the end of the day the steel is becomes white hot, not so in the morning. Think common sense John.
Revisionist are only interested in proving a Jewish conspiracy to trick the world, as part of a larger conspiracy to take over the world, rather than the logic of testimony and documentation. Mattogno’s main interest and he says so is proving the Jews made the Holocaust up to capture the world. In order to do that, every Jew is a liar, every German is coerced into lying. Facts and figures are not added correctly, the science is faulty.
A true researcher would find Tauber credible. I know me and my family are credible, and not part of fabricating the Holocaust or conspiring to take over the world. You have to be a real nut job to believe that.
In Mattogno report. I noticed he claimed the famous sonderkamando photographs of the burning pits, (which were shot at odd angles, in secret with the camera on the photographers hips to hide from the Germans catching them photographing).The photos are of burning bodies and people tending the fires. The photos were actually taken from the gas chambers towards the burning pit. They are all crooked and skewed. There is one of naked women running to the Gas chambers nude. It is barely legible. The photos have been authenticated time and time again. Yet Mattogno claims upon magnification that the photos were doctored.
Now if you were going to fake a photo, why not take a really wide beautiful shot and make the information look really obvious, really clear. You can tell these photos were taken under duress on the fly. They camera in one shot is just of the woods as the photographer was obviously moving. Makes no sense. But the photographs were shot by a Jew, that mere fact makes them doctored and fake.
To me Mattogno is a complete lunatic and liar. His information is all I meant to destroy Jews and Judaism. Nothing at all about the truth. I have told you a million times. People arrived at those camps with their families in tact. There was a selection process, members of one family were broken up, one went one way to be registered in the camps as labor, others went to the crematorium block. These people were never seen again, by anyone. They were the survivors brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers. This same story is told over and over and over again, by Jews, by Germans by train drivers, by everyone including the perpetrators and high command. That is the way it went down. Jews were murdered and cremated shortly after their arrival on a train platform. LOOK at the Auschwitz album. Those photos are not doctored. The camps could not possible hold all those Jews. Survivors can point out their family members, that were sent to the crematorium from those photos They were murdered and cremated in the 46 double and triple muffled ovens at Auschwitz/Birkenau and not you or Mattogno or anyone else can pretend it did not happen. The dead and the survivors and their children will never let you get away with your lies.
‘It is what it is. The Nazis did kill shitloads of Jews. No foolin.”
Still, nothing gives them the right to change our world off the back of what remains a colossal fraud…”
I don’t think it was a colossal fraud. I think it happened essentially as portrayed.
However, I agree completely that it lacks the significance it’s been given. It was a monstrous crime committed by some Germans…ranks with the monstrous crimes committed by some Soviets and some Japanese. Add the British and Americans if you must — it’s beside the point.
The point is that that some of their co-religionists were victims of such a crime does nothing to confer special rights on Jews — any more than special rights have been conferred on the Germans of the East, Crimean Tatars, Chinese, etc, etc by virtue of their sufferings.
I actually find the whole thing morbidly absurd. We are not members of some Borg collective. We are individuals. What matters above all is what has happened to us personally, as individuals. Some fairly bad things have happened to me personally — and I’ve met people who can meet my tales of woe and raise me fifty. How on earth can the consciousness of what once happened to someone one conceives some abstract historical relationship to possibly compare to that? It’s like me punching someone in the nose — because one of his ancestors presumably was a Viking.
You may well have a relative who once raped someone who — like me — was left-handed. So? How much money do you figure you owe me?
Now, try backing into my car in the parking lot. You’ll owe me some bucks. No fear. That’s actually me you just hit. That’s where it begins — and ends.
Don’t be too sure. You and everyone else have been indoctrinated with prejudice, primarily by Jews. The Gestapo was not the beastly organization described by Jews to propagandize for war and hatred, it was not the beastly Jewish run NKVD of the USSR or the thoroughly corrupt thugs of the American FBI and the Jewish Merrick Garland.
Here is a short book by a half Jewish German named Heinz Weichardt on his interaction with both the Gestapo and the SS when on separate occasions they came to his family’s apartment to investigate something. As he describes it, their behavior can best be described as professional and gentlemanly (he writes “mild-mannered gentlemen”) , completely unlike the thugs of the old Soviet secret police and the American FBI. Do a search on the word “parabellum” and it will bring you to the paragraph that begins his description of when they came to his family’s apartment. The Gestapo and SS were both aware his mother was Jewish.
https://archive.org/stream/UnderTwoFlagsByHeinzWeichardt/UnderTwoFlags-HeinzWeichardt_djvu.txt
In regards to [Senator] Thomas Dodd, at the time of the trials he could be seen holding a shrunken head (most likely taken from a German museum by the invaders) as evidence of “NAZI” brutality. This was long ago disproven as another allied lie. Unfortunately, the excellent video of this has been wiped clean off of Jewish owned Youtube since implementing their policy of censoring “holocaust denial”. It has also been removed from several other sites. It had been part of an excellent collection of professionally produced videos of Anthony Lawson, some (or many) having to do with the Nuremberg trials and others critical of Jewish thuggery towards Palestinians. He had a very large collection of videos. Since his death around 11 years ago Youtube has wiped his Youtube channel clean of most of his videos. Anybody who thinks WW II happened “essentially as portrayed” as another commenter said is completely in the dark in regards to what happened in WW II. The Germans and others have been forbidden by law from speaking in many countries and other threats await in countries that have not censored discussion of WW II history yet.
You write: “Now Purfer [sic] is believable, last post when he disagreed with you, he was arrested and his testimony was not believable. What changed?”
My response: Since you think that Kurt Prüfer is the ultimate authority on the crematorium at Auschwitz-Birkenau, I looked at the index of the book “Dissecting the Holocaust” to see where his name is mentioned. I read the relevant passages from Carlo Mattogno’s article regarding Kurt Prüfer, and then gave them to you in my comment.
I do not regard Kurt Prüfer as being as important as you do on this issue. However, since he is your main source for your statements on the crematorium at Birkenau, I gave you his testimony in the Soviet Union from Mattogno’s article.
You write: “We all talk about the academic absurdity of the revisionist methods.which are designed not to disprove, just to sow doubts keep it the denial dance going.”
My response: In my opinion, the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau has been disproven. I document this in my articles at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 and
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200. Thus, even if it could be shown that 4,400 plus Jews could have been cremated per day at Birkenau, the official Holocaust story has been proven to be invalid.
You write: “To me Mattogno is a complete lunatic and liar.”
My response: Carlo Mattogno is a scholar who has done an incredible amount of research on the so-called Holocaust. His books are always heavily footnoted; he documents everything he says, including the quotes from Kurt Prüfer I gave you.
You write: “I know me and my family are credible, and not part of fabricating the Holocaust or conspiring to take over the world. You have to be a real nut job to believe that.”
My response: As you told me in another discussion thread, many of your Jewish family members survived the so-called Holocaust by hiding from the Germans. Your family members are part of the millions of Jews who survived the “Holocaust”, and do not provide evidence that the official Holocaust narrative is valid.
Still waiting for all that authenticated forensic evidence to substantiate your allegations “to genocide the Jews”.
Hmmm, now it is “to try and genocide the Jews”. Any original, authenticated, documentation on that?
Jewish testimony, indeed!
Even the Israeli Supreme court threw that out when it overruled the death sentence of another poor. railroaded, innocent, worker.
You don’t know anything about me.
The ongoing conversation you’ve misread concerns solely the claims that 500,000-800,000 Hungarian Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.
It has nothing to do with my views on the Gestapo. Thomas Dodd’s Nuremberg props, or Anthony Lawson’s big orange.
Looking through your comment it seems you’re still in first day at kindergarten re the Jews et al.
No, the fraud is not what happened to the Jews before and during the war: that’s a question of historical fact to be decided on when all genuine evidence, including that still concealed, has been examined and agreed upon.
The fraud was fixed during the immediate post-war when a device for profit and change was fashioned in both law and lore and then applied, not just to Germany and its allies, but against the entire western world with catastrophic consequences also for the peoples of the Middle East. For almost 80 years it has impacted terribly in areas where it never had any business to begin with. Yet this ‘Golem’ continues to evolve and destroy.
Source: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud
Yes, (((you)))!
Soap, lampshades, shrunken heads, baby marmalade, imbecilic testimony, holographic AI “testimony” in any language on order, faked photos, “eyewitness” liars, a ball=-point pen “diary,” roller coasters, conveyor belts, 4-story crematoria, “gas chambers” with flimsy wooden doors and glass windows, missing bodies, 6-3=6, “6 million” dead Jews since the 19th century, geysers of blood, different colored crematoria smoke for different ethnicities, testicle-crushing “confessions,” etc., etc. etc.
God Himself has clearly indicted (((you)))—even in the Old Testament, long before there was the Incarnation, the Crucifixion, the Church, the Gospels, or a single Christian or Nazi!
Hear the word of the Lord, ye children of Israel, for the Lord shall enter into judgment with the inhabitants of the land: for there is no truth, and there is no mercy, and there is no knowledge of God in the land. Cursing, and lying, and killing, and theft, and adultery have overflowed, and blood hath touched blood. —Osee 4:1-2
How do you say: We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Indeed the lying pen of the scribes hath wrought falsehood. The wise men are confounded, they are dismayed, and taken: for they have cast away the word of the Lord, and there is no wisdom in them. Therefore I will give their women to strangers, their fields to others for an inheritance: because from the least even to the greatest all follow covetousness: from the prophet even to the priest, all deal deceitfully. —Jeremias 8:8-10
(((You))) rebel endlessly against Him, claiming that (((you))) confuse, control, and defeat Him. http://judaism.is/torah.html#megalomania It is clear why He repeatedly calls (((you))) the “Synagogue of Satan.” —Apocalypse 2:9 & 3:9) …and quite clear in His Judgement of (((you))):
axe laid to the root —Matthew 3:10
broken off —Romans 11:17-20
cast into the fire —Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned —Mark 16:16
cut down —Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me —Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell —Matthew 23:33
shall be broken —Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder —Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from them —Matthew 21:43
woe —Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 52
wrath —Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; John 3:36; Romans 2:5; I Thessalonians 2:16
their house shall be left desolate —Matthew 23:38
they do not enter the kingdom of Heaven —Matthew 23:13
Thanks for upholding some standards for accurate communication (ie. word usage) to this website, where the usual standard is “anything goes.”
Colin, this is ludicrous, and unworthy of your true intellectually ability. It’s solely a ‘cutesy’ way to uphold the Myth by detouring around it. “Did it happen substantially as portrayed?” You have no way of knowing, do you? Have you ever read a good “Holocaust” Revisionist book from cover to cover, without skipping over any of it? I have to guess you have not. If you have not read at least one of the following, you don’t have the complete story.
The Hoax of the Twentieth Century by Arthur Butz 4th edition 2015, 552 pages, first printing 1979
Dissecting the Holocaust edited by Germar Rudolf, 3rd edition 2019, 615 pages
The Making of the Auschwitz Myth by Carlo Mattogno, 2nd edition 2021, 514 pages
Debating the Holocaust: A New Look at Both Sides by Thomas Dalton, 4th edition 2020, 344 pages [Good but not as complete]
Will you give me an answer to this question? Bc just poking around at different viewpoints on the Internet, or reading a few documents, is not sufficient to clear up the intentional confusions that surround it.
Why not … or, IF you read one of the books I recommend to you in comment #476 you will KNOW what Auschwitz was–not have to “suspect.” Do you use the excuse that you don’t think Revisionists can be trusted? What top-level Revisionist has been found guilty of falsehoods or not fully documenting their “Holocaust” claims? None and never, as far as I know. OTOH, the Holocaust Controversies.com group who defend the official H. are proven wrong on a regular basis. They ignore it because their goal is not to be right but to keep up an illusion that there is real evidence for it to be had. And this is effective to some degree because people like you will never thoroughly check it out.
The “killing” of 4 million? What leads you to say this? Again, unlearned opinion. And yet, the truth is available to be had.
I will give you the same advice that you gave to me, which really worked. A 10 second google search will answer all your questions. The good ones on google are listed under “What is Holocaust denial”.
You must be truly mentally diminished not to be able to answer your own question by following my lengthy discussions with John Wear on the topic of body disposal at Auschwitz and the capacity requirements. The need to create multiple ovens, and to simultaneously cremate multiple people together as required by the German commandants. German high command issued in writing to Topf the oven manufacturer to increase the size and speed of the burn capacity of the OVENS, as well as the correspondence of the engineers that bodies must enter simultaneously, causing the ashes from one body to mix with another, an illegal practice up unit the crematorium at Auschwitz/Birkenau.
Why do you think they needed to design cremation oven capacity to fit so many bodies Hdc?
You get an F due do an inability to add and subtract.
Why the need for speed of body consumption? And why the need for deniers like Mattongo to spend oodles of charts and graphs to say that it was impossible to incinerate 1.1 million Jews during the time Auschwitz was up and running?
Have you ever cremated anyone? Where is your forensic evidence. I cremated my cat Toby and he is in a little container on my desk. The average amount of ashes from cremating one person fits into the size of a shoe box. So if they were cremating 4000 plus bodies a day. You do the math and figure out how much ash that is.
‘Colin, this is ludicrous, and unworthy of your true intellectually ability. It’s solely a ‘cutesy’ way to uphold the Myth by detouring around it. “Did it happen substantially as portrayed?” You have no way of knowing, do you?
Carolyn, would it make you happier if I pointed out that seven million is also a perfectly defensible figure? After all, no one would have any certain figures on all the shootings and killings carried out in the Baltic States and the Western USSR. Fugitive Jews who starved to death in the woods? Jews killed — or not killed — by the innumerable German-allied formations.
Of course I can’t definitively ‘prove’ that the Holocaust occurred — much less state the exact numbers who died in it. Nothing is perfectly provable — a fact Holocaust Deniers have been exploiting for some time now. However, I view the historical reality of the Holocaust as being roughly on a par with the geographical reality of Australia — although I could argue that the reality of Australia has never been proven to me to my complete satisfaction.
So, you’re just going to have to accept that I think the Holocaust happened — just as I am resigned to the fact that you think it did not.
‘…Not accurate…’
Accurate enough. Without having to exert myself, I have read works by Solzhenitsyn as obscure as Matronya’s Farm, Prussian Nights, For the Good of the Cause, Cancer Ward, and Incident at Kretchekovka (sp.) Station (which I recommend).
Many of these have been rendered irrelevant and even uninteresting by the fall of the Soviet Union. The bureaucratic hypocrisy of school administrators in Sixties-era Soviet Russia? Yet all apparently promptly translated into English and made readily available — however non-topical. Now here’s Two Hundred Years Together — a work obviously of great interest to many. Twenty years, and no translation.
Huh. At a minimum, a remarkable coincidence. Solzhenitsyn is, after all, a great writer: one of the the great writers of the last hundred years. Here’s a work of his that is at least potentially of considerable and immediate significance. Yet it’s precisely the one we can’t read.
What isn’t remarkable is that we’re offered an explanation. What are we going to be told? That we mustn’t read it because it would cause bad thoughts? After all, whatever the validity of Solzhenitsyn’s assertions, once they are openly debated, then we’ll all be forced to admit what is valid — and you really don’t want to go there, do you?
We can see that.
I was not pointing to only you and I was including myself in that sentence. I should have added that to make it clear. I should have said “including myself”. I did not mean to offend you. I’m only stating a fact, namely that “everybody in the world” has been subjected to this non-stop, endless propaganda and lying led by Jews. They have gotten all of Europe to bow to their demands, instituting censorship laws only for them (“holocaust denial”), sending them hundreds of millions of dollars (in today’s exchange rate much more) and I believe Germany is destroying itself in its sick attempt to please the Jews and everyone else when I think that long ago they should have told the Jews and everyone else to “drop dead” decades ago. The Germans disgust me and I hope they pay dearly for their repulsive behavior when they went along with sanctioning Russia and didn’t speak up and publicly point out the USA and NATO should stop antagonizing Russia and say they will not go along with a war against Russia. The Russia-Ukraine conflict could have been prevented if Europe didn’t act like America’s whore.
Until I saw that booklet on the Gestapo a few weeks ago I would not written what I wrote. Once before I read something from someone in a position to know that the Gestapo were not the bad guys they have been portrayed as but I never felt I knew enough to defend them, like so many things said about the Germans.
The two issues with Mattogno:
1. Regardless of his research, he has a built in bias to prove that the Jews lied about the Holocaust. He has forfeited the right (as any scientist or historian with objectivity as the goal for discovery) of being taken seriously at face value. He makes sweeping accusations about doctored photos and at minutia to claim a false testimony, for no objective reason. Like the famous sonderkamando photos that have been authenticated, yet he blows them up to unreasonable pixels so they are distorted and says they are doctored. Tauber’s testimony is essentially believable, there are some things that were maybe off, but Matogno disqualifies the entire testimony, which more importantly is corroborated by the German designers. A really good measure of accuracy. Tauber and the German engineers explain the mechanics of body disposal of cremations. Every Jew is a liar. Every German is coerced into lying. Mattogno’s bias makes him not credible. This was true in the Irving case as well. Where the Judge admonished Irving’s bias. If you are hell bent on proving that the Jews made the Holocaust and are liars, under all of the evidence to the contrary. Your data must be objective.
2. Mattogno uses science and data like a kludger. He was never at Auschwitz when all this was going on, he has no real experience with it. Mattogno gets into particles and massages the data to fit a particle theory, where as in the real world many physical things are not explainable on paper. The expression: Seeing is believing. If everything worked out on paper. Scientist would not need to perform experiments. Just look at his testing on the time it takes to burn a body in a cold over, or the amount of fuel he calculates per body in his exhaustive charts, and the amount of fuel it would take to kill 1.1 million Jews. He missed the testimony of the Sonderkamandos who all claim that running the ovens full time for 24 hours required very little fuel. His charts many of them are meaningless in the real world. But the Sonderkamandos are Jews and Jews lie. So Jewish testimony is fraudulent. To bad for Mattogno but too bad for you and the revisionist. Real scientist and real thinkers see thru Mattogno’s bias and dismiss it, much like the Irving trial. Irving has been discredited as a historian because of his bias and misuse of facts and data.
All revisionist misuse and manipulate data to portray the Holocaust and Jews as liars and conspirators. Like all of you not believable.
Any “belief system” that receives official government recognition from which deviation from “the official story” is criminally punished is PROOF that the particular “belief system” is false.
Thankfully, those of us who reside in the USA have a Constitution which (still) prohibits an “establishment of religion”, although jewish interests are dong their damnedest to establish judaism and its bastard child, “holocaustianity” as an official “state religion”. It is long overdue to dump the fake holohoax on the ash heap of history.
Witness the jewish-run “lawfare” groups who have been quite successful in abolishing Christianity from “the public sphere” while aggressively promoting the installation and promotion of jewish menorahs on public property. Even the White House sported a large menorah during the holiday season.
Chutzpah, indeed…
Colin – the question at hand is how the Germans, in 1944, managed to “kill” such a massive number of Hungarian Jews in so short a time. You interject the “interesting” theory that no Jews were “killed” in a functioning state, only outside of such. This is a pure example of DISTRACTION. You may opine that it’s “interesting” but what difference does it make to the question at hand? None whatsoever. Instead of continuing to consider the Hungarian Jew question of how it was done, we’re almost forcefully taken to a new area of “interest” which has little relation to that question.
Makes one wonder.
Time for some jewish and holohoax humor:
Q: How many jews can you fit in a Volkswagen?
A: 10. 4 in the seats and 6 in the ashtray.
Q: What’s the difference between a jew and a pizza?
A: Jews squeal in the oven.
Q: What’s the difference between a jew and a canoe?
A: Canoes “tip”.
These jokes were told to me by one of my jewish friends who has one hell of a sense of humor. Not all jews are dour, sour, professional victim types. Many have a wonderful sense of humor.
Regards,
You write: “Tauber’s testimony is essentially believable, there are some things that were maybe off, but Matogno disqualifies the entire testimony, which more importantly is corroborated by the German designers.”
My response: Tauber is not a credible witness to the so-called Holocaust. There are numerous absurdities in his testimony. Please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562 for more detail.
You write: “Mattogno’s bias makes him not credible. This was true in the Irving case as well. Where the Judge admonished Irving’s bias.”
My response: David Irving never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. Despite this fact, Deborah Lipstadt and her defense attorneys chose to make Irving’s lawsuit a trial of the Holocaust. David Irving even turned down Dr. Robert Faurisson’s offer to help him for free, since Irving had never intended to make his lawsuit a trial of the Holocaust. Dr. Faurisson would have been of tremendous help to Irving in his case.
You write: “Real scientist and real thinkers see thru Mattogno’s bias and dismiss it, much like the Irving trial.”
My response: Numerous scientists have supported Mattogno’s research. These include Walter Lüftl, Germar Rudolf, Friedrich Paul Berg, Dr. William B. Lindsey, Dr. Arthur Robert Butz, Dr. Nicholas Kollerstrom, Wolfgang Fröhlich and Richard Krege.
Since Google is a Jewish owned company those are the results they show anyone using their search engine while they delete anything against the interests of Jews from Youtube, which they also own. That is why when you type in the term “Judeo-Bolshevism” every article that Google shows you will call it a “anti-Semitic canard” or some other stupid lie denying the obvious. Countless people, including President Putin of Russia have pointed out that Jews played a huge and sometimes dominant role in communism and the USSR.
Russian President Putin: Jews played a huge role in founding and running the USSR, even a dominant role. Jews made up 80 t0 85% of the USSR’s founding government. He said this while speaking to an audience of Jews but he did not say it in an accusatory way. Why would he. He was a patriotic communist himself for many years.
And when the USSR attacked a foreign country the Jewish citizens from the country attacked welcomed the invaders while everyone else despised them, so naturally the Soviets gave Jews the top posts in the newly conquered country and Jews played a huge role in exiling and the death of many thousands in that country and then complained when revenge was taken against them later.
Latvia: Year of Horror, 1940 – The Year Assimilated Jews Turned on Their Neighbours
https://historicaltribune.wordpress.com/2017/07/01/latvia-year-of-horror-1940-the-year-assimilated-jews-turned-on-their-neighbours/
I came to this conclusion on my own but it backs what I say.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
And this about the body disposal which we just went thru. Exactly what I said. Mattognos work is stupid and ridiculous to fit his bias.
Again all the points that I have been saying about Mattogno’s work. It is just common sense John.
‘… You may opine that it’s “interesting” but what difference does it make to the question at hand? None whatsoever…’
I can’t resist pointing out that your post itself bears almost no relationship to what I actually wrote.
What the ‘question at hand’ is depends on who you ask. You’re very insistent that the Holocaust did not occur. I find that position indefensible; other aspects of the topic are interesting, however.
To construct an analogy, I’m convinced that the First Crusade occurred, not as the result of Pope Urban II’s preaching, but rather, the reverse: Pope Urban II was speaking to and attempting to direct a movement that had already begun without his volition.
Now, that’s interesting to talk about. If you want to keep chiming in and insisting that the First Crusade never happened at all, that’s your prerogative, and I suppose you could make a case for that — but you can’t demand I keep addressing your claim, and only your claim. Maybe I’d rather proceed on the assumption that it did occur and discuss the issues arising given that.
I consider Holocaust Controversies to be an extremely biased and not credible source of information. They should be called Holocaust Controversies: What Part of One-Sided Bias Do You Not Understand?
Colin, this is nonsense, from start to finish. This type of “argument” is what causes me to say that you do not seem to be very intelligent in authoring it. In the case of this one, calling it unintelligent is absolutely not an insult!
It’s not like there’s no genuine evidence for what can be shown to have actually happened versus what is guesswork, and/or hearsay testimony w/o benefit of cross examination free of no-go areas, mind you, taken from those with a vested interest in the outcome.
Even disallowing the last part of the above sentence, there is plenty that can be ascertained as certain. It not a scene of complete darkness where 7 million is as good a guess as 4 million, or maybe 6. Have you read any of the four books I recommended in the comment you’re replying to? Why no mention of that? Here’s another choice of book I’ll give you: Breaking the Spell by Nicholas Kollerstrom. It’s a little shorter, maybe not as thorough as the others, but very interesting and Nick is a really good writer, thus it’s easy to consume. I’ll accept that one too. If you continue to insist there is no way to know and it all comes down to my opinion against yours, THAT is clearly AVOIDANCE. It says you are not at all serious and are willing to continue the chit-chat forever so as to keep from facing (or admitting) the truth. That’s what the Holocaust Controversies guys are doing — maintaining some illusion that there is something there.
So sorry, I do not accept that you think it happened because every intelligent, thoughtful person knows they have to have some reason, no matter how frail or faulty, for believing what they do. You have never once stated any reason. Have you. If you have, or if you have one, say now what it is.
Many or most of those Jews who would fit this description could not be included in the “Holocaust”scenario. The Western USSR (and the Baltic states that the SU had controlled) was full of Jews killing the Germans as partisans, and they were fair game for the German military. In fact, they were more dangerous and more fear-inspiring than Russian soldiers. “Jews” as such were not targeted in the USSR; it was purely a military operation. I don’t need to spend time detailing the difference between a military operation and an “extermination” or “genocide” operation. This was again not an extermination/genocide program as it’s promoted by those very enemies (!). We have to acknowledge there is such a thing as enemies and not call them innocent victims. Look how Germany’s enemies decimated them when they got the chance. And they were doing it before the war as well as after.
No. Lies make no sense at all. https://judaism.is/holocaust.html#imbecilictestimony
Mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[1]
Acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[2]
Injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[3]
Production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[4]
Skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[5]
Out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[6]
Soap production from human fat, solemn burial of soap;[7]
Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[8]
Killing in vacuum chamber or with steam or chlorine gas;[9]
Mass graves with hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[10]
Gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[11]
Electrical conveyor-belt executions;[12]
Cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[13]
SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[14]
Removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[15]
Blue haze after gassing with hydrocyanic acid (which is colorless);[16]
Singing of national anthems and the Internationales by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence for atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[17]
Rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[18]
Killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrocyanic acid;[19]
Muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contract so strongly that it makes the buckets jump about;[20]
Introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles.[21]
The SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh.[22]
Mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KZ commander Koch (Buchenwald).[23]
Breathed through a keyhole in a gas chamber door at Flossburg to stay alive, cursed the SS when they opened the door, then ran away. [24]
child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed;[356]
woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas;[357]
fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day;[358]
mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[359]
erupting and exploding mass graves;[360]
soap production from human fat with imprint “RIF ” – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap;[361]
the SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh;[362]
lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin;[363]
pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin;[364]
mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald);[365]
production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[366]
acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[367]
muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about;[368]
an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: “Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!”[369]
Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice;[370]
wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed);[371]
forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips;[372]
injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[373]
first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them;[374]
torturing people in specially mass-produced “torture boxes” made by Krupp;[375]
torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk;[376]
smacking people with special spanking machines;[377]
killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass);[378]
killing people with poisoned soft drinks;[379]
underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[380]
blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs;[381]
killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas;[382]
mass murder in hot steam chamber;[383]
mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down;[384]
killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand;[385]
gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry;[386]
gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[387]
rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[388]
beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died;[389]
introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;[390]
electrical conveyor-belt executions;[391]
bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio;[392]
cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[393]
cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all;[394]
skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[395]
mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[396]
killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens;[397]
removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[398]
SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[399]
out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[400]
blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless);[401]
singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[402]
a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’;[403]
filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs.[404]
Ditto back to you insert the original “what part”. The numerous names you list on your side of the argument total 10.
There are millions of other, including witnesses, scientist, Jews, Germans, historians etc. who can, will , and have blown your H denial stories out of the water.
We just proved thoroughly that the ovens at Auschwitz can burn 4000 bodies a day.
Holocaust denial is over. No one cares. People are focused on China, Russia and current events. All the players are dead.
‘…The Western USSR (and the Baltic states that the SU had controlled) was full of Jews killing the Germans as partisans, and they were fair game for the German military. In fact, they were more dangerous and more fear-inspiring than Russian soldiers…’
This is actually the sort of question that gets left unanswered in the general Nazis bad/Jews snowy innocents paradigm. To what extent were Jews prominent in partisan activity? After all, there would have been all those Jewish commissars in all those overrun Soviet units — and word would have gotten out pretty fast that the Germans were shooting them all out of hand. Surely they would have had an incentive to organize resistance rather than surrender. Not to mention all the Jews who must have fled into the woods once the Einsatzgruppen got going.
I’m reminded of what happened in Yugoslavia — although there the Germans tried to stop it. When the Croats started slaughtering Serbs wholesale, well, that put a whole lot of Serbs out in the woods with nothing much to do but fight.
Presto: partisan problem. To what extent was the same mechanism at work in the Western Soviet Union? The Germans claimed the Jews they were killing were partisans — but was it entirely untrue?
It’s the sort of question that is hard to get an answer to — given the usual ‘good/bad’ paradigm both the conventional history and the Denialists are prone to. I wish both Carolyn and those she rails against would get off the idea that one side was all good and the other side scheming how to make it always winter but never Christmas.
Reality — and history — isn’t a morality play. It’s a question of what happened, and rarely if ever are all the white knights on one side and all the knaves on the other. Carolyn, you’re no better than those you oppose: you just reverse the sides. Germans: always good. Jews and Allies: always bad.
Israel aside, it’s never that way.
It’s interesting how todays western governments are in lockstep with the current Holocaust narrative; sometimes even extraditing ‘doubters’ and punishing them with fines and imprisonment. Yet immediately after the war, the British government, through the Foreign Office which controlled MI6 and benefitted from the mass of Intelligence that MI6 could provide, did not accept that six million Jews had been murdered through “various scientific mass methods” or otherwise.
If the post-war British government did not believe in the Holocaust then why should we 80 years on?
You write: “We just proved thoroughly that the ovens at Auschwitz can burn 4000 bodies a day.”
My response: What proof did you offer that 4,000 dead bodies could be cremated per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau?
My post (as you call it) relates to what John Wear wrote and what you quoted from it to form your own post (comment). It was:
John’s comment began: Both Ivan Lagacé and Carlo Mattogno conclude that 4,400 plus Jews per day could not possibly have been cremated at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
John’s comment ended: My response: It is not rocket science, but it does take time to cremate a dead human body. This time limits the number of dead bodies that could have been cremated at Birkenau in a given day.
In between it was all about how such a massive number of Hungarian Jews could have been killed and cremated when and where it’s claimed, just as I said it was.
You come along and pick up on something very different from that question (where Jews were usually killed) with an ultimately meaningless ‘story’, and then avoid responding to my follow-up with an even more meaningless story about the “First Crusade” and Pope Urban II, foolishly trying to compare the First Crusade with the Holocaust. If people don’t want to see this for what it is, that’s their business.
In my view, I am not “chiming in” but pointing out that you are using less-than-honorable tactics to avoid ever taking on holocaust revisionism in any form! You will not answer a direct question directly, if it is of any import – not just superficial or peripheral.
Why comment on the Holocaust at all if you are incapable of answering simple questions about the facts of it, and if you are ignorant of the literature available about it? What are your opinions based on?
‘. Lies make no sense at all. https://judaism.is/holocaust.html#imbecilictestimony
Mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[1]
Acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[2]…’
For sure, the cause of those who would assert the reality of the Holocaust hasn’t been helped by those determined to gild the lily.
At the same time, it did happen — whatever obvious lies have been added to the tale — and while I don’t want to get started, whenever I consider the evidence offered by those who claim it didn’t, their reasoning often doesn’t hold water.
For example, take your claim that there aren’t any remains. No remains — therefore, no Holocaust.
At Treblinka, supposedly a million were put to death and incinerated. Well, as it happens, I have some ashes of some relatives here in my house (I’ve never been able to figure out what to do with them). each box measures 8″ x 3″ X 6″ — that is to say, one twelfth of a cubic foot. That’s assuming those ashes actually fill the whole box.
So a million dead would take up 83,333 cubic feet. Okay: let’s spread that around a mile-square field. 25,000,000 square feet: we’ve got one cubic foot of ash for every three hundred square feet of field.
That comes to a layer 1/25th of an inch thick — roughly a millimeter thick. Like the dust on your car if you let it sit for a while.
Let the grass grow, and it’ll have been taken up by the plants within a year.
I don’t find it at all telling that there are no remains. Not at Treblinka, anyway. The Germans could have just piled the ashes up and let the wind blow them away.
Then I guess you’ll not be posting here anymore.
‘…In my view, I am not “chiming in” but pointing out that you are using less-than-honorable tactics to avoid ever taking on holocaust revisionism in any form! ‘
Strictly speaking, that’s not true. See the post I just made — in response to Al Liquori, not you. So look up the post I made about ten minutes before this one. It shouldn’t be too much trouble.
He brought up ‘where are all the remains, then,’ argument. I addressed it.
I’m not obliged to follow you around, rebutting every single argument you or anyone else has dreamed up to ‘prove’ that the Holocaust didn’t happen.
I’m satisfied that it did, and I’m satisfied that it did for the same reason I’m satisfied that Australia really is there. The cumulative weight of the evidence that it did is overwhelming. My wife just left. She claimed she was going to see her physical therapist. For a variety of reasons, I’m pretty sure that’s actually the case. I won’t even bother to check.
Ditto for the Holocaust. You’re just going to have to live with that.
“What happened” is exactly what you refuse to comment on, and prefer to remain totally ignorant about … by choice. You fall back on the same cliche that “Nothing is either all good or all bad. There are good and bad on both sides.” That answers absolutely nothing about “What happened?”
You have to love the scientifically illiterate when they think they know, and can comment, on scientific topics.
The burning and cremation process is a scientific subject, and a serious engineering issue if you wish to talk about combustion rates, ie. how fast stuff burns, and how long it takes.
I’ll let you be the judge on this one: Logs burning in the fire place. Two logs are burning in the fire place. You add two logs. Will the fire burn for a longer time with the 4 logs stacked together, or will the 4 logs burn away faster than the original 2 logs would have?
Btw I have a wood burning fire place and I know the answer. Not that I need the fire place to answer that question.
Human bodies are 60 % water, and the water must be evaporated before the body will burn. The extremities burn first, the torso last. Firemen know this. Sorry, firefighters; gotta be pc.
When one piles several bodies into a pyramid arrangement, the surface area of the total is much smaller per body than the surface area of a single body.
The water evaporation process is a function of heat transfer, and heat transfer is a function of the surface area exposed to the combustion gasses, and the temperature of the combustion gasses.
For the latter lets agree that this temperature is at the maximum allowable for good retort life expectancy.
That leaves surface area as the only variable affecting the rate/speed of water evaporation.
We have one body in the retort exposed on 3 sides to the furnace gasses.
Or, we have 5 bodies piled up, and exposed to the same temperature furnace gasses.
Which arrangement would be cremated first, the single body, or the five bodies piled up?
Would they be cremated at the same time? Would 5 bodies in a pile take longer to cremate than the single body??? Recall we agreed that the furnace is operating at the maximum temperature.
As an aside, I mention the disposal of the cattle burned in Britain during their hoof and mouth disease epidemic. The piles of animals burned and smoked for weeks.
Yet the holocaustians would have us believe that a larger pile of bodies would cremate in the same time as a single body!
Just be glad these people don’t design nuclear power plants, elevators, or airplanes!
You need to add compressed air you moron. Study the Topf ovens and the way compressed air sort of stokes the fire, kind of like a jet engine. Not at all like burning logs. Why don’t you google the Topf crematorium engineering system before you begin your scientific foray.
You write: “I don’t find it at all telling that there are no remains. Not at Treblinka, anyway. The Germans could have just piled the ashes up and let the wind blow them away.”
My response: There were no crematorium at Treblinka. This is acknowledged by all historians. Any dead bodies at Treblinka would have been burned using wood. This method of cremating bodies would have resulted in a very large amount of bones and teeth, since wood-based fires do not reduce bones and teeth to ashes.
For more information, please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291.
The testimony of”
Hoss
Topt engineers and repairman (many names, I could find them but who cares)
Henryk Tauber who worked the ovens 24/7 for years.
K. Prüfer and his ingenious patented design of multiple muffles per chimney allowing more bodies to be loaded simultaneously, and the ability of the oven to cremate bodies 24/7 which actually put less stress on the fire walls.
The people that worked the ovens, the designers and the German request for faster production produced cremation times of 1/2 hour per body.
The patented design furnace that could cremate 24 hours straight and generate it’s own fuel.
Seriously John, this is abc, do you not understand the oven design by Topf?
Try this article for technical help.
https://academic.oup.com/manchester-scholarship-online/book/19073/chapter/177488178
Yes, I see it. And it’s proof for what I’m saying, not what you’re saying. You don’t know the historians position, revisionist or not, and are just pretending. John Wear answered you in comment 506 and “chimed in,” informing you that, after all your clever figuring of how much ash there would be at Treblinka after cremating all the bodies:
That’s not mentioning the amount of time it would take to burn all those bodies that way. If you had read Thomas Dalton’s Debating the Holocaust, you wouldn’t make such a fool of yourself.
How does this stack up (lol) to your wood pile? Which log went first?
A patent application
1) Rudolf Hoess was brutally tortured into making his confessions. His testimony is therefore worthless. Hoess was merely repeating what he was told to say.
2) As previously mentioned in comment number 460, Mattogno talks about the cremation capacity of the Topf cremation ovens in the link I provided at https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/01-dth.pdf.
On page 392 of this link, Mattogno writes:
“The 60-minute duration for cremating a single body in the furnaces at Birkenau was confirmed by the Topf engineers Kurt Prüfer and Karl Schultze during their interrogation by the Soviet counter-espionage service Smersh. During the interrogation on March 4,1946, K. Schultze stated:
“Five furnaces were located in the two crematoria, and three corpses were introduced
in each furnace [one in each muffle], i.e., there were three openings (muffles) in each
furnace. In one crematorium with five furnaces [and fifteen muffles], one could incinerate fifteen corpses in one hour.”
During the interrogation on March 5, 1946, K. Prüfer explained why the cremation lasted
so long in the Birkenau crematoria:
“In civilian crematoria, pre-heated air is blown in with the help of special bellows, due
to which the corpse burns faster and without smoke. The construction of the crematoria
for the concentration camps is different; it was not possible to pre-heat the air, as a result of which the corpse burned slower and with smoke developing. In order to reduce
the smoke and the smell of a burning corpse, a fan is used.
Question: How many corpses would be cremated per hour in a Crematorium in Auschwitz?
Answer: In a crematorium that had five furnaces and fifteen muffles, one cremated fifteen corpses in an hour.”
Thus, these two engineers confirmed that the cremation furnaces of Auschwitz-Birkenau could incinerate one corpse per hour and muffle. Based on K. Prüfer’s interrogation in the Soviet Union, Prüfer does not contradict Mattogno’s statement that it was impossible to cremate 4,400 plus Jews per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
3) As previously discussed, Henryk Tauber is not a credible witness. Tauber was merely repeating what he was told to say. Please read my article at https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562 for more information.
John with this article, I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the crematorium ovens at Auschwitz/Birkenau has more than enough capacity to cremate over 4ooo bodies a day. This quote if from the same article I posted on my last comment. I am hopeful that we can but this argument to bed and that you will cede the point that technically Mattogno ( I know these guys are your bible) is dead wrong on both fuel consumption and oven capacity, and that you can think for yourself and admit that I have proven him wrong. All of this information comes from any engineers and different source materials. Enough to corroborate the findings.
‘What happened” is exactly what you refuse to comment on…’
That much is inarguably untrue — whatever else may follow. If it were true, we wouldn’t be arguing.
It would help the discussion to yield light as well as heat if you could have the intellectual self-control to confine yourself to defensible statements.
‘…That’s not mentioning the amount of time it would take to burn all those bodies that way. If you had read Thomas Dalton’s Debating the Holocaust, you wouldn’t make such a fool of yourself.’
I don’t see not being familiar with all the minutia of Holocaust Denial as ‘making a fool of myself.’
Perhaps evidence of an absence of a certain form of insanity, but otherwise…
You write: “John with this article, I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the crematorium ovens at Auschwitz/Birkenau has more than enough capacity to cremate over 4ooo bodies a day…I am hopeful that we can but this argument to bed and that you will cede the point that technically Mattogno ( I know these guys are your bible) is dead wrong on both fuel consumption and oven capacity, and that you can think for yourself and admit that I have proven him wrong.”
My response: No, we can not put this argument to bed. Mattogno’s article is much more detailed and thorough than the article you are presenting as having “proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the crematorium ovens at Auschwitz/Birkenau has more than enough capacity to cremate over 4ooo bodies a day.”
Carlo Mattogno is not the only author of the article I showed you. Mattogno recognizes Dr. Ing. Franco Deana, who is an Italian engineer, as a coauthor of this article. Dr. Deana has greatly assisted Mattogno over the years with his expertise and knowledge of crematorium. These two people have also expanded their work into a three-volume book on this subject.
An important point to remember is that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Even if the Germans had built crematorium capable of cremating over 4,000 bodies per day, without homicidal gas chambers the so-called Holocaust is an easily provable fraud.
That was before the redesign of the continual burning oven. Body count changed after the Sanders patented redesign by Sanders in 1942. I have yet to see Mattogno deal with these redesigns. His one hour estimate is not for a continually running oven. The gas chambers have nothing to do with this argument.
From Fritz Sanders testimony.
Recall that I agreed that the furnaces were operating at the maximum temperature that was safe for the equipment.
Adding compressed air to that would serve to overheat the furnace or, cool the combustion products, ie. the hot gasses needed for the cremation process. This additional air could do either, depending on the operating point of the furnace.
Blowing air through the furnace is fine for getting the combustion process going but, once the maximum allowable temperatures have been achieved, this air flow is adjusted to maintain the desired temperature.
For my references I cite the hand books on combustion and furnaces published by Combustion Engineering Corp., and Babcock and Wilcox Corp.
FYI: Air is introduced into the products of combustion of some gas turbines to COOL these gasses so as to protect the turbine blades from overheating thus shortening their life expectancy.
Can you show authenticated photos of such an installation at Auschwitz?
BTW, the cremation capability has nothing to do with gassings, which did not happen because there were no homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz.
Crematorium ovens are not furnaces. They are incinerators. Your reference material is like discussing prop propellers next to Jet engines or rocket fuel. The books you referenced have like zero to do with cremation technology. Too bad you did not take in the information I presented to you. All your posts are idiotic and arrogant over nothing. Where is the forensic evidence?
The author of the cremation article is Robert Jan van Pelt. Isn’t he the Jew who tried to swear on a Christian bible at the Lipstadt trial….
Sorry, but basic knowledge about Treblinka when you’re expounding on Treblinka is not “minutia of Holocaust Denial.” To say that it is is evidence of a certain form of insanity, not absence of it.
Look it up your self. Auschwitz bought and paid for the ovens, and Topf built the ovens and had engineers stay at Auschwitz to work on them and repair them. Men worked and fed bodies in the ovens. The Germans complained that they were not cremating the bodies fast enough. Man are you on the spectrum or what. Not one H denier claims there were no ovens in Auschwitz. Not a one. So look it all up yourself. There were 46 ovens all with different muffle capacity, There were 5 separate crematoriums. Honestly Hdc you can look this all up yourself and see the ovens installed.
I never spoke about gassings. There were 487,000 Jews arrived in Auschwitz between June and August of 1944. 20 thousand were registered in the camp. The other 420,000 were last seen in a facility that was designed to cremate 4000 plus bodies a day. Are you following me here?
hmmmm. My guess is those 420,000 Jews were at the bottom of those Topf ovens as ashes. Maybe they were given sleeping pills and they were cremated them alive. Whatever they came into the crematorium as human and left as ashes.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/ruth-webber-describes-the-auschwitz-crematoria
Since you’ve been a scholar and a gentleman to this point, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that this is a mistake and not an intentional straw man:
Having already stipulated that I believe about 270,000 Jews died in WW2 https://www.unz.com/article/review-of-unmasking-anne-frank-her-famous-diary-exposed-as-a-literary-fraud-by-ikuo-suzuki/#comment-5541272 , one should logically infer that I believe there are remains of some type for those 270,000.
In no way, then, can I be honestly accused of stating or believing “no remains.”
As for whether or not there was a holocaust, yes, there was a holocaust: the 60+ million gentiles who were sacrificed in a war that the Jews started.… period.
Here’s a picture of the Auschwitz/Birkenau conveyor belt… ooops… I mean… hand cart… that took bodies to the 4-story… ooops… I mean… well… maybe a bit over 4 feet high, but 4,000 Jews per day oven… really… because there was patent… but this feat of engineering unequaled in our day blew away with the ashes of the 666million:
[snickering]
‘…My response: As you told me in another discussion thread, many of your Jewish family members survived the so-called Holocaust by hiding from the Germans. Your family members are part of the millions of Jews who survived the “Holocaust”, and do not provide evidence that the official Holocaust narrative is valid.’
But there you go. Jews who didn’t survive the Holocaust would hardly be in a position to provide evidence either.
Jews who were subjected to the Holocaust can be divided into five groups.
1. Those who avoided any direct contact with the camps at all. This, of course, was an excellent way to survive — but it didn’t leave one in a position to offer much useful testimony.
2. Those who died. Well, they don’t have much to say.
3. Those who worked as kapos, sonderkommandos, whatever. Back in the day, before ‘the Holocaust’ became a kind of religion, and any survivors somehow saints, it was accepted that all too often, such people had done things they weren’t especially proud of to live. Then too, if you’ve had a really horrific experience, you don’t particularly enjoy recounting it. Honest: the seriously traumatized are quiet, not loud. So this group isn’t going to be out there making speeches — not very many of them. ‘How I led children into the gas chambers.’ No…they’ll lick their wounds in private.
4. The charlatans and fantasists. These will always be with us — and in the case of the Holocaust, they’ve got an eager audience.
5. Actual, authentic survivors, who actually saw it and are capable and willing to testify to what they saw — well, not as many as you might think.
Of course, one can argue that it all didn’t happen at all — but my point is that if it did happen, you might not have as many valid testaments as you would assume.
Sure, if by “treated” you actually mean “Kidnapped and held hostage as a human shield and bargaining chip.”
At one time on this discussion thread, you were using Kurt Prüfer as your authority to say that the Germans could have cremated 4,400 plus bodies per day ay Auschwitz-Birkenau. For example, in comment number 435, you mention his name several times as your authority (although each time you misspelled his name as Purfer).
I then gave you Mattogno’s research showing that Kurt Prüfer made his statement that “In a crematorium that had five furnaces and fifteen muffles, one cremated fifteen corpses in an hour.” Prüfer made this statement in a trial in the Soviet Union on March 5, 1946.
You are now using Fritz Sanders as your authority that the Germans could have cremated 4,400 plus bodies per day ay Auschwitz-Birkenau. You quote Fritz Sanders testimony that “I decided to design and build a crematorium with a higher capacity. I completed this project of a new crematorium in November 1942.”
I have some questions. When Kurt Prüfer made his testimony in the Soviet Union on March 5, 1946, did he not know about Fritz Sanders’ new and improved higher capacity crematorium? Was Prüfer out of the loop? Was Prüfer giving false testimony at his trial?
Your quote of Fritz Sanders testimony ends by saying, “This patent could not yet be approved by the Main Patent Office in Berlin, because of its classification (as a state secret).” This testimony does not say that Sanders’ patent was ever approved by the Main Patent Office in Berlin. It also does not say that his patent was ever used at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Did Fritz Sanders or anyone else state that his new design was used at Auschwitz-Birkenau?
So who wrote the Dutch edition, which was published in 1947?
There were large numbers of Jews who fall into category number 5 “Actual, authentic survivors, who actually saw it and are capable and willing to testify to what they saw — well, not as many as you might think.”
Many of these were called to the witness stand in the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial. All of these Jewish survivors failed miserably in their testimony. They were so bad that no Jewish witnesses were called to the the witness stand in the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial.
I have written some articles on the Jewish survivor testimony to the so-called Holocaust. You might enoy reading my articles on this subject at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6243 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562 and
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7237.
Yes, the incredible perpetual-motion machine that takes 2 days to heat up but then runs forever using Jews as its sole source of energy. Fortunately (for Jews) it does not exist, and never did.
I think the Russians got the idea from themselves…
Btw, [from the same report above] can anyone show where in Auschwitz the buildings described below can be seen today? Because I can’t find them….
Atten: Colin Wright
Interesting article this morning at Fox News re our earlier conversation about reining in Jewish influence : https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-report-aclu-reaction-report-hasidic-schools-spark-fierce-debate
Jews can dream up more money-making schemes than 10 other ethnic groups put together. That’s even an understatement. The article is long and filled with tweets from Jews. I should add it to my “Stop Special Treatment for Jews” series at carolynyeager.net.
You Idiot.
No such thing was ever created!
Can’t you understand your own source?
Source: https://academic.oup.com/manchester-scholarship-online/book/19073/chapter/177488178
John, don’t confuse Colin with someone who actually welcomes information such as you give out. Or who would “enjoy” reading your articles. He’s like the Devil confronted with the Christian Cross when it comes to Revisionist articles and books of any kind. He denies it but, yet, is he familiar with a single one? I haven’t been able to get him to say so.
Early bird got all the Triggered-Denier worms squirming in lockstep.
A prime example of jewish “chutzpah” and outright “in your face” violation of, and disregard for “civil-rights” laws and statutes is that of the many “jews-only” communities that (are allowed to) exist in the USA.
Kiryas Joel New York comes to mind…
If you are a gentile:
–You cannot own property or rent property within the incorporated legal boundaries.
–You will be told that the community is for “jews only”.
–You cannot send your gentile children to the “publicly funded” public schools.
–Government social workers are not allowed to look in on the care of jewish children.
However, jewish residents of Kiryas Joel receive government “benefits” (welfare, EBT, etc.) out of proportion to their numbers. In fact, 93% of Kiryas Joel residents are receiving some form of goyim-provided “public assistance”.
Many financial, health care, and other criminal schemes and scams are run out of that “jews-only” community.
The courts and city attorneys have all been taken over by this “jewish mafia”. In fact, the county attorney has been compromised as well…
Patent Application.
Where was such an incinerator built, and proof thereof.
This “confession” came from behind the Iron Curtain; that alone makes it questionable: Human bodies can easily get substituted for any other product originally contemplated.
I doubt very much the the person interrogated spoke/wrote Russian; therefore present the original text in German.
What was described is a Travelling Grate Incinerator and, indeed, they are built today for garbage incineration.
Were they built in the early 1940’s for human cremation? I really don’t know. But I have never seen photos of such an installation in any concentration camps. Perhaps you could furnish some authenticated photos?
You should be aware that such a furnace would have presented severe metallurgical difficulties for the Germans. The travelling grate is, of course, subjected to the cremation temperatures practically continuously, and ordinary materials would not last very long in that application.
You have read about the German jet fighter aircraft? Its engines were short-lived because of a lack of the metals required to produce truly heat-resistant turbine hot sections.
The travelling grate incinerator would have faced the same limitations.
Who would build such a device with a grate life expectancy of about 20 hours?
It is obvious that you are out of your depth when discussing combustion. If my posts appear idiotic to you, you are describing your mental state.
The photos I have seen of the crematoria in Auschwitz definitely had separate furnaces to produce the hot products of combustion required for cremation.
As to my references: The corporations I cited, were the recognized authorities on furnaces and combustion.
Further, as the accuser, it is your responsibility to produce authenticated forensic evidence.
Franny, give it up already.
Get this through your fat head: The photos shown as crematoria at Auschwitz are not, repeat, not, travelling grate incinerators!
The photos shown show single muffle crematoria, in which one body at a time can be cremated.
So show me photos of a crematorium at Auschwitz, that can conceivably cremate 4000+ bodies per day.
The ones shown cannot do that.
Bravo!
The sad annoyance is that, even though Fran’s lies are so transparent, they still require debunking lest innocent goyim take her deceits at face value.
Nobody can reasonably expect Fran to recant her lies, but the truth must be told, so that Satan’s Chosen can be effectively deposed and punished. Repatriation and reparations must be made by all*** of them.
***From the Talmud, Shevuot 39a:
“Kol Yisrael areivim zeh ba-zeh”
“All Jews are responsible for each other”
They instigated bloody revolutions and started world wars. http://judaism.is/world-wars.html Some of them died. Is that not expected, a known risk? Remember that they have long targeted gentiles. This excerpt from Jacob & Esau by Malachi Haim Hacohen identifies their hated Esau with Jesus and Edom with Christianity (and also confirms Jewish belief in reincarnation) http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html :
See also http://judaism.is/paganism.html#reincarnation and http://judaism.is/transmigration.html
‘John, don’t confuse Colin with someone who actually welcomes information such as you give out. Or who would “enjoy” reading your articles. He’s like the Devil confronted with the Christian Cross when it comes to Revisionist articles and books of any kind. He denies it but, yet, is he familiar with a single one? I haven’t been able to get him to say so.’
The irony is that I just read one of John’s articles last night.
This research was done in haste, and my error. In fairness to myself most of my research is done on the fly, and I have a job, it is one of the few errors that I have made since posting with you. You yourself changed contradicted your Legace figures. Fritz Sanders conveyor oven was never built. As pointed out in the subsequent posts. I discovered this last night shortly after your post. It seems that there was internal competition between Sanders and Prufer for producing ovens with quicker and more burn capacity. There is also back and forth evidence and a ton of documentation between SS and Topf regarding the need for more and faster consumption.
Purfer wrote several memorandums contradicting is testimony of the body capacity for the ovens, which he sates the time for single muffle is 1/2 hour. Do you doubt these corresponds are authentic?
The following is without refute.
-The German’s demanded and continually specified the need for more ovens with greater burn capacity.
– The designs of the ovens changed overtime, as more muffles were added.
-The ways and methods of cremating the bodies drastically changed, once the line was crossed of burning one body at a time, to burning multiple bodies simultaneously.
-The usage of the ovens continually decreased significantly the time of corpse burning to ashes.
All of these facts are corroborated by multiple people from both the Germans, the people working and fixing the ovens, and the memos and specifications for the ovens, and Topf employees.
Do you deny these corroborated facts, and supporting documents.
With regards to eyewitness testimony, that you claim is unreliable. I posted an eyewitness video, from an Auschwitz survivor. Her testimony is not only simple and straight forward. It is the same testimony repeated verbatim thousands of times,
When the transport trains entered the camp. People got out. Most walked to a building towards the crematorium. You never saw anyone come out of the building they just disappeared.
You have yet to answer this question of what happened to all the people that walked to the crematorium. Together with the desire for more burning capacity and quicker times of body burning requested but the Germans. One can logically assume that the Jews were somehow murdered in that building (the crematorium). What do you think of the following testimony.
I and this woman never mention gassing. Just the disappearance of people entering.
John. Thousands of people tell the same story of disappearing people in the crematorium and then smoke coming out of the chimney. Literally thousands of people.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/ruth-webber-describes-the-auschwitz-crematoria
Did you pick up that information on my website? In 2018 I posted this article https://carolynyeager.net/seven-ny-orthodox-arrested-14-million-scam-steal-school-money about Kiryas Joel.
But a better, longer article went up in 2017: https://carolynyeager.net/rapid-growth-hasidic-orthodox-population-creating-havoc-ny-nj-communities Please read. Obviously, when I mentioned my series titled “[No] Special Treatment for Jews,” you didn’t bother to look at it.
The first one went into more of the background disputes and tensions between the Hasidic newcomers and the settled Gentile community of Monroe, NY. Monroe was being inundated by the mass arrival of Orthodox Jews bc of a big yeshiva in their town. These Jews were electing themselves to run the city government and school board. The Monroe citizens were finally forced to agree to a secession that involved giving the Jews 220 acres of Monroe land for their own town in order to save themselves from being totally bankrupted by these unscrupulous Jews. You would have too!
It was the best move they could make. Now the Hasid’s are fully responsible for their own schools, and everything else. They survive bc they are masters at milking money from every government agency there is, both state and federal. That’s mostly the fault of the politicians who want their (block) vote–they all vote for the one their rabbi leader tells them to. If you’re not blaming our “Christian” politicians for the power/influence the Jews wield, you’re missing the real story. If Jews have a town of their own, they can run it however they want and the less opportunity they have to steal from the Gentile folk who live around them.
I think you have some bad information in what you’ve written here. Who cares if you can’t own property in their town. Would you want to? Christians should have the balls to do the same to these Jews who “separated” by choice. Your outrage is misplaced, me thinks.
You are correct. The crematorium was blown up and destroyed. I assume destroying the ovens. That does not mean that these ovens did not exist. There is extensive documents and drawings by the manufacture. There are bills of sales. Back and forth discussions in writing between the Germans and the manufactures. People worked on the ovens.
There is testimony from all these people regarding the 46 multiple muffle ovens at Auschwitz?Birkenau. There is testimony from the repairman that stayed at Auschwitz to fix and repair the ovens. The testimony by the Germans. Look it UP. There is so much written on the ovens you can spend a good deal of time studying the engineering and controversies.
To say that these ovens did not exist because they are not there now after the building was blown up.vIf you were an SS officer, knowing that the camps would fall into enemy hands and your life was on the line what is the first thing you would destroy? duh ?? The ovens.
I expected this. Not such a big irony. What was the article about and what did you learn from it, if anything.
Hey, did you read the article I sent you?
Still waiting for the evidence that a conveyor-belt-4-story-4,000 Yid-per-day crematorium ever actually existed at Auschwitz/Birkenau—————but I am not holding my breath.
Such abject lies! Are your lies guzmah or just plain “lying to gentiles”? http://judaism.is/torah-encourages-lies.html
Dozens more documented here at SWINDLERS LIST: http://judaism.is/swindlers-list.html
HdC,
You have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to understand this both technically and logically. Burning bodies on mass was a German priory of utmost importance. It logically follows that Jews were murder deliberately on mass, if you are ordering such extraordinary body burning equipment.
The triple muffle Topf oven at Buchenwald, same as Auschwitz.
Documentation regarding the usage of the ovens. These original documents can be found online at
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
Under the title indoor cremation.
On 14 July 1941, the Topf engineer Paul Erdmann provided the construction office Mauthausen with a cremation rate of 33 to 40 min per corpse “without overloading” the two-muffle oven (Mattogno, I Forni Crematori di Auschwitz, Documentazione, p. 406)
On 30 October 1941, the SS construction office Auschwitz noted that the planned crematorium 2 will have an arithmetic cremation rate of 15 min per corpse (Bartosik, The origins of the Birkenau camp, p.170). (In reality such a rate would, for example, correspond to simultaneously cremating 2 bodies in 30 min).
On 10 July 1942, the SS construction office Auschwitz informed the SS construction office Stutthof on the three-muffle oven that “incineration takes about ½ hour according to the Topf company” (Mattogno, I Forni Crematori di Auschwitz, Documentazione, p. 424).
For 28 June 1943, a draft was prepared in the construction office Auschwitz according to which the cremation rate of the Topf two-muffle oven was 26 min per corpse and that of the three- and eight muffle oven 15 min per corpse (Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 460, see also here). (In reality such a rate would, for example, correspond to simultaneously cremating 2 bodies in 30 min).
Survivors of Fran’s recent assault on truth want her to apologise for lying about the Holocaust.
They were not making pizza in these ovens. Why the need for so so many ovens?
In all, Topf built 25 crematoria ovens which had a total of 76 incineration chambers (called ‘muffles’) for concentration camps.
Primary document on the cremation of multiple bodies at once:
Additional instructions in September 1941 from Topf & Sons (the designers and manufacturers of the ovens) advised that “once the cremation chamber has been brought to a good red heat the bodies can be introduced one after the other in the cremation chambers.” This letter cautioned against letting the ovens cool down.[9]
The instructions from Topf & Sons for their double muffle furnaces suggested that a body might be added to the oven during the last 20 minutes of the prior cremation. That is, a body could be added to the oven before the last body was fully cremated. The instructions say: “As soon as the remains of the bodies have fallen from the chamotte grid to the ash collection channel below, they should be pulled forward towards the ash removal door, using the scraper. Here they can be left for a further twenty minutes to be fully consumed . . . In the meantime, further bodies can be introduced one after the other into the chambers.”[10] According to Topf’s calculations, this would result in a 25-minute burning cycle for each body.
In all, Topf built 25 crematoria ovens which had a total of 76 incineration chambers (called ‘muffles’) for concentration camps.
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Founder: Johannes Andreas Topf (1816–1891)
Headquarters: Erfurt, Germany
Topf and Sons – Wikipedia
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No, I researched jews-only communities on my own. You do host an excellent website. Thanks.
However, your praise for hasidics who outlaw non-hasidic home ownership will never fly in our jew-infested society–especially for us gentile whites who wish to do the same.
As much as I would like to see us whites copy their tactics, the jew-lawfare “civil rights (for some)” types types would be crawling out of the woodwork in order to snuff out such an idea.
I am sure that you understand that “multiculturalism and diversity” does not apply to jews as (((they))) are “chosen”.
The jews would almost never go for secession by gentile whites unless it was an advantage for (((them))).
On a similar topic, there have been not only proposals, but the actual establishment of “safe spaces” on college campuses and other venues, but only for “people of color”.
To show how stupid some whites can be, there were outcries from whites complaining that allowing such “safe spaces” as such accommodations would foster racial discrimination and would therefore be “racist”.
I thought to myself (and did articulate it), “what the hell is wrong with you (white) people?” Give them what they want. If “people of color” can have their own “safe spaces” so can we. This opens the door for us whites to do the same. This would be the beginning of the end of the “public accommodation” aspect of the so-called “civil-rights (for some)” act…and would assist in the restoration of true “freedom of association” for us gentile whites.
There is some hope…look for major restrictions on “affirmative action” to be ruled on by the “supreme court” in the next term. It may not be much, but it’s a start.
Regards,
The photos you show are of muffle type crematoria, where each muffle (arched opening) can cremate one body in one hour. This “one hour per body” is so well established by disinterested testimony, that it is ridiculous to question this accepted fact.
As an aside, one could perhaps stuff 2 or even 3 bodies into each muffle. They would not be cremated in 1 hour! Say that 3 bodies could be cremated in 2 hours, not that great a gain if you are looking for 4000 per day.
In your photo above I see 6 muffles; consequently 6 bodies may be cremated simultaneously and, statistically, one could state with a straight face that “on average, it took 1 Hr per body divided by 6 bodies, or 60 minutes divided by 6 bodies = 10 minutes per body. But that would be a colossal misstatement of facts.
As a thought experiment consider 60 muffles; thus 60 bodies may be cremated simultaneously in one hour. Using the forgoing arithmetic, one could state that “on average, it takes one minute to cremate one body.
If you claimed that you’d be ready for the loony bin.
Still waiting for photos of the blown-up conveyor grate crematorium.
‘I expected this. Not such a big irony…’
You just claimed the opposite.
You are so clueless about survivors. The revisionist view of the survivors as victims is ridiculous. I was born in 1953, my brother in 1949. Besides my two cousins, who each married survivors, you are talking about 4 people surviving an extended family of 40 or 60 per family. That would be 4 out of 240 people as an estimate. The majority of European Jews did not survive. Especially Eastern European. Out of a population of 3.1 million Jews living in Poland 360,000 survived. In Hungary there were 800,000 Jews, 200,ooo survived. Math is not the point.
Although I had 2 cousins that were survivors, I grew up in a religious Jewish community that had many survivors with many different experiences. Some with tattoos. I grew up with many survivors children. You may not understand this but the Holocaust was never discussed, never mind victimization. I never heard the word Holocaust before I was a teenager. We referred to it as the Shoa. I also never heard the word (maybe a few times) Auschwitz until later years. We referred to it as a concentration camp. When I was growing up I thought there was one concentration camp that all of the Jews went to.
To further explain this phenomena. The survivors would never discuss their experiences, like never. If you asked a question you were waved off with a finger and told to never ask questions. They were not interested in being a victim. They would have rather been Goring’s second in command then be a victim. They felt humiliated and degraded. Many of them were mentally ill. As a child many survivors gave me the willies, and I found scary. I wanted to stay away from them, although I was friends with their children who had tons of mental problems.
There was a man named Chaim who came to our house every Shabbas after Shul and sat in our kitchen and drank tea out of a glass. He just sat there quietly. The conversation went like this.
Me: Ma who is that?
My mother: Chaim. He is a survivor. He was in a concentration camp.
End of conversation.
It was not until the survivors became around 80 plus years did the younger generation confront them with. “What happened to you” kind of questions, upon which they started to tell their stories. It was not until 1970 that movies were made, and really into my 50’s before I understood the entirety of it, or bothered to study it at all, and take in what happened. Germany paid for many survivors to take their children and grandchildren to the towns where they grew up in. So there was that.
My mothers last 7 years were spent in a religious independent living facility in NY, where the last of the survivors were. Many of them were from what was called the kinder program, where the UK could invite German children to school in England. They went, many never saw their families again.
There was one woman Sally who had a number on her arm, who used to take all the condiments from the tables. Sugar, Salt and ketchup. No one new why, but her son used to pay for it, and no one bothered her. A lot of survivors from “the camps” were like. Who amongst us is going to ask Sally what when on.
That is the way it went down John. That was what it was like growing up post Holocaust with Jewish survivors. Absolutely no victimization, who grandiosity.
You will never, ever, ever win this argument of H denial. Never. I grew up with the truth. I know the truth, and I have the thoughts and conversations with all of those people that I grew up with. They are in my fibers. Who will never succeed.
‘…Just as Hitler (anti-Semite) is the worst person who ever lived, Ann Frank is the sweetest and most innocent one. These two manufactured, self-serving myths shore up the Zionist narrative…’
I think this is an important point. I’ve often wondered what the deal is with Anne Frank; her story — even if it is accepted — is pretty dull, and her end fairly pedestrian. Detected, she is imprisoned and dies of malnutrition and typhus or whatever it was.
Nu? Dying of a combination of malnutrition and disease was a pretty common fate in Europe in 1945. Something similar, for example, seems to have happened to the title character’s German protector in The Pianist. It’s the fate that overtook the author’s elder sister in Stritzke’s Nightmares of an East Prussian Childhood. In 1945, things were tough all over. So why the cult of the sainted Anne?
It’s the Jew as powerless and immaculately innocent victim. Hence the emphasis.
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I already admitted that was an error. See my post 542 to John Wear. You were correct that oven was never built. Read the post.
Your math is completely wrong. Why not read the report from the engineers. It was 20 minutes per body if you ran the ovens for 24 hours straight. The math is simple. Auschwitz/Birkenau had 5 crematoriums. You do know that it was like a city. A huge complex. Not made up of one building for burning bodies. Why would you need this amount of ovens (one crematorium). For what reason? This to me looks like a factory for burning bodies. Can you read? There are many, many comments on how many bodies, at what rate and the temperature of the ovens. Let me repost, since you seem to miss this stuff first time around. It is not my math.
On 10 July 1942, the SS construction office Auschwitz informed the SS construction office Stutthof on the three-muffle oven that “incineration takes about ½ hour according to the Topf company” (Mattogno, I Forni Crematori di Auschwitz, Documentazione, p. 424).
Fran you’re telling lies again about the Holocaust.
N.B. 1.25 million-1.5 million Polish Jews survived in Europe alone but they refused go home! That figure does not take into account the Polish Jews who went to Asiatic Russia, where the Nazis couldn’t reach them.
Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Head of the World Jewish Congress, Nuremberg, Sept 1945.
‘I have written some articles on the Jewish survivor testimony to the so-called Holocaust. You might enoy reading my articles on this subject at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6243 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562 and
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7237.’
I glanced at some some of these: improbable claims?
No doubt — but wouldn’t these be merely examples of my group four? The exhibitionists and charlatans? If there had been a Holocaust, the actual survivors might be reluctant to revisit their experiences. They might even have some memories of what they did that they’d rather not talk about.
Consider, for example, James Clavell’s King Rat — the novel set in a Japanese-run prison camp. Those who survive such settings often find themselves doing some pretty awful things. Maybe they wouldn’t care to testify about it.
Now let’s visit some of the positive evidence the Holocaust deniers would employ. Treblinka was just a transit camp? Okay — presumably there are some records remaining of the close-to-a-million Jews who we all agree went to there. The camp was razed, so they inarguably didn’t stay there until liberation. Is there evidence of a corresponding number of Jews being sent elsewhere? After all, if Treblinka really was a transit camp, the Germans would have had no reason to hide the Jews going out while leaving records of their coming in.
Yet I suspect you’ll find that you can come up with evidence of only about one Jew going back out for every hundred who went in.
So if few come out though many go in, what does that imply? Did they all escape? They weren’t there when the camp was closed down.
Does it not occur to you that evidence which denies the thesis will never be displayed alongside that which confirms it?
Maybe it was once in this lot….
Otto Frank’s Lawyer
You write: “Is there evidence of a corresponding number of Jews being sent elsewhere? After all, if Treblinka really was a transit camp, the Germans would have had no reason to hide the Jews going out while leaving records of their coming in.”
My response: This is an extremely common argument made by defenders of the so-called Holocaust. You can go to my website at http://www.wearswar.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/ to read my response to this argument.
Survivors? LOL
You must be very insecure about your data and facts to need me for anything. Stand on your on two feet and read the information set before you. Let the facts speak for themselves and people can decide.
Most people in the world agree with me. So why not ask the world at large for an apology?
Even among Holocaust deniers and Jew haters there exist a different levels of integrity. You are the lowest of the low piece of shit H denier, always going for the low hanging fruit. You are a clown. Stupid clippings from some Rabbi. There have been some very interesting exchanges on this thread about crematoriums and ovens.Have you been following?
Perhaps you can explain why Crematorium 5 at Auschwitz had one Topf oven with 8 muffles?
Here it is maybe you can rack your memory. Why so many crematoriums? Why so many ovens?
Here is a photo of crematorium #5
You write: “It was not until 1970 that movies were made, and really into my 50’s before I understood the entirety of it, or bothered to study it at all, and take in what happened.”
My response: I began studying the so-called Holocaust in 1990. I was 37 years old then. So, I have been studying the subject longer than you have.
You write: “Germany paid for many survivors to take their children and grandchildren to the towns where they grew up in. So there was that.”
My response: Germany had paid over $89 billion in reparations to “Holocaust” survivors as of a few decades ago. This is in addition to taking children and grandchildren of “Holocaust” survivors to Germany.
Germans are taught to feel guilty about the so-called Holocaust. Upon Germany’s unconditional surrender in May 1945, the Allies initiated a highly successful campaign to brainwash Germans and make them feel guilty about their actions during World War II. The Allied perpetual campaign of negative publicity has prevented an objective analysis of Germany’s involvement in the war. The fact that the Allies forced Germany into World War II has been almost totally removed from public discussion.
Friedrich Grimm, a renowned German authority on international law, was shown samples of new leaflets printed soon after the war in German to be distributed by the Allies throughout Germany. Describing German war crimes, the leaflets were the first step in the reeducation program designed for Germany. Grimm suggested to an Allied officer that since the war was over, it was time to stop the libel. The Allied officer replied: “Why no, we’re just getting started. We’ll continue this atrocity campaign, we’ll increase it till no one will want to hear a good word about the Germans anymore, till whatever sympathy there is for you in other countries is completely destroyed, and until the Germans themselves become so mixed up they won’t know what they’re doing!” (Source: Tedor, Richard, Hitler’s Revolution, Chicago: 2013, p. 263).
Guilt pervades Germany as a result of the Allied propaganda campaign. German guilt is so powerful that it has caused the German government to make enormous reparations and offer humble apologies to the Allies, while ignoring the atrocities committed by the Allies against the German people after the war. Millions of German expellees have paid reparations to survivors of the German concentration camps even though these German expellees had their land and personal possessions stolen from them. German schoolchildren are repeatedly taught about crimes committed by National Socialist Germany, with little or nothing ever taught about their ancestors’ tragic sufferings after the war. (Source: Bacque, James, Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950, 2nd edition, Vancouver, British Columbia: Talonbooks, 2007, pp. 175-177).
German children are taught from early childhood to view the Third Reich as solely bad, wrong, criminal and despicable. In the spring of 2001, Anna Rau, the 17-year-old daughter of German president Johannes Rau, was interviewed by a German TV station. Anna Rau discussed what was taught in school about history:
“As to the question what we are learning in school when history is taught, I can answer simply with the term National Socialism. Nothing else seems to matter. Everything about the Second World War really gets on my nerves. It is always the same. They start with Hitler, then we talk about Anne Frank, and on the day when we should take a walk in the forest, we have to go and see the movie Schindler’s List instead. And this continues when we go to church where in place of learning our religious confirmation instructions we are taught more about the “Holocaust.” The final result is obviously that we just don’t want to hear about that stuff anymore. It drains us emotionally, and eventually leads to callousness.” (Source: Schmidt, Hans, Hitler Boys in America: Re-Education Exposed, Pensacola, FL: Hans Schmidt Publications, 2003, pp. 261-262).
Colin let me put it another way. Why would the Nazis keep complete logs for Jews entering the camps but nothing (even forged logs) for Jews leaving the camps? Knowing the war was coming to an end and knowing how devastating these records would be in the absence of out-going logs then wouldn’t they have simply destroyed them.
Forgeries or not, there must have been complete sets records one half of which have been hidden or destroyed by the Allies.
Why meticulously record your murders and them hand that record over to your prosecutors?
These deniers will go to the moon pick up a moon rock with a source code on it, and present it to you as the reason why the Holocaust never happened. Meanwhile you are trying to figure out this obscure source code, when the answer is so simple and logical that it is staring at you from 6″ away.
They cannot answer the basic question (forget the gassing which is a gaslight situation that triggers the hell out of them) What were the 5 crematoriums each with multi muffled ovens specifically designed by engineers at the German high command’s request for speed of burning and to burn large amounts of bodies for? Like what is the reason for them
The German high commands hairs were on fire over body disposal. For what reason?
There were never any more than 20,000 prisoners registered in Auschwitz at one time. Enough ovens to cremate the entire population 10 times if it was Typhus .
Some low life deniers like Henry B, and HdC, come back with such stupid responses, that they do not see the fundamentall problems of H denial.
1. Acknowledged transports of millions of Jews to camps, with names, dates, and train car numbers.
2. The relatively low amount of registered prisoners at one time in these camps.
3. The witness’s both German, Jews, Polish or whatever that saw Jews go to a building an never return. No record of them being transferred to anywhere.
4. Huge, I mean vast amounts of crematorium ovens that are designed to speedily against the law mix all the bodies together for fast burn time. The documentation of the German high command for ovens with greater body capacity. To increase the amount of people to be cremated, Thus the illegal new design of the multiple muffled oven.
The obvious answer is that Jews went to the crematorium on mass, thousands at a time, were murdered then they were cremated and came out as ashes.
Sorry to bore you Collin.
Hmmm, so we put the conveyor grate crematory to bed.
In the picture above, I see 5 x 3 = 15 crematory muffles.
Working simultaneously, these can cremate 15 x 24 =360 bodies per day. Bear in mind that the muffles need to be emptied out, repairs need to be carried out etc.
Thus, on average, using my “completely wrong” arithmetic, I would venture the opinion that those 15 muffles could cremate 250 bodies per day, taking in consideration all the other work that needed to be done. Hmm, say 80.000 per year without doing the calculation.
Can you provide proof of how many muffles in total were in operation in Auschwitz?
Note that it is the number of muffles that is important, unless it is stated how many muffles in each cremation furnace, if the latter is given a quantity.
Oh puh-leez, Chabad Fran, spare us your lamentations and rending of garments. You are a known habitual liar. Why feign surprise that nobody is buying your hasbara Jew ‘splaining rubbish from Hell?
I am grateful that several good people here have the patience to meticulously expose your lies. As far as I am concerned, your familiar generic lies do not deserve a personal response, but, at most, warrant a generic meme or two.
The mortuary down the road from our home has crematorium capacity equivalent to the one in your photo. I see no conveyor belt or queue of 666 million of Satan’s Chosen there. Even under the threat of a prison cell, belief in the Jewish fable is dwindling, so I understand your desperation. http://judaism.is/holocaust.html
Where’s your famous Jewish sense of humour, liar?
Your lucky I’m having some fun rather roasting you with facts.
Maybe you should tell us again about your imaginary self-fuelling oven….lol
Not the same thing. The topic was specifically Kiryas Joel in New York. And not just too much Jewish influence or crime, but a fully owned Jewish incorporated town. Something new.
Seriously HdC,
I am giving up on you. You are just too dense to grasp this stuff. Body burning calculations for Auschwitz have been added up many many times over. There were 5 individual crematoriums at Auschwitz. Crematorium 5 had one oven with 8 muffles.The more muffles the hotter and faster the burn rate. You can google and find this information on your own. We are not reinventing the wheel here, plenty of work exist with this information. I mean you are just goofing around here. You are not serious.
The cremation ovens at Buchenwald were very ordinary and basic. This picture is set up to look like a bigger room than it is. There are only five in a small space. I’ve seen them in person, have you?
Photos are misleading.
The stupidest post on this thread by far. If they had logs of Jews leaving the camp for some other location, they would have made gold plaques out of them, as it would have proved that the Jews were not murdered and living somewhere else. But that is the kind of logic that escapes you.
In addition many of those Jews transported were old, sick, and many many children. Obviously people that could not fend for themselves after being relocated. Do you think these people would desperately try to find their missing families and vice versa? If these people hit a village many would be orphaned children. No records of that sort of thing exists anywhere. But these are just the common sense reasoning that lunatics like yourself refuse to think of.
If you were transported out of a camp and left your mother and a brother behind. What would you do when you landed in a strange and foreign land not knowing the language and with no money or clothing?
You’re a know nothing moron and a liar. You wouldn’t have any lousy fucking evidence [sic] if it wasn’t for that “rabbi” and his organisation!
All the ‘evidence’ at Nuremberg and beyond came from them. Including the six million crap and the smelly turds that the Soviets were given to place on the record.
All of it!
‘…The obvious answer is that Jews went to the crematorium on mass, thousands at a time, were murdered then they were cremated and came out as ashes.’
Indeed. As you will no doubt agree, I have become (gasp, shock) an antisemite.
However, reality doesn’t neatly correspond to our ideological fixations.
Just as I would insist that — whatever you might prefer — Israel isn’t a very nice guy, so — however much I might find it ideologically convenient if it were otherwise — the Holocaust did happen.
Reality is what it is. Not what we would like it to be. It’s stubborn that way. The Holocaust happened. I’d cheerfully pay twenty bucks to make it not so — but that won’t work. It did.
And here’s proof that the ‘Jews have a superior IQ” claim is the second greatest myth of all time.
I think I’m sensing a case of what used to be called ‘Amaurotic familial idiocy’ here.
Could I make a donation?
‘I am giving up on you. You are just too dense to grasp this stuff. Body burning calculations for Auschwitz have been added up many many times over. There were 5 individual crematoriums at Auschwitz. Crematorium 5 had one oven with 8 muffles.The more muffles the hotter and faster the burn rate. You can google and find this information on your own. We are not reinventing the wheel here, plenty of work exist with this information. I mean you are just goofing around here. You are not serious.’
Well, I’m with David Irving on this one — which doesn’t mean what you might think it does.
He eventually — reluctantly — plumped for agreeing that much of the Holocaust happened. His schtick is now that Hitler just didn’t know. I’m skeptical of that — but you argue about it if you like. The claim is technically defensible, but that’s not the same as saying it was so. Scottish juries have — or used to have — a third verdict open to them: ‘not proven.’
But dragged into an argument about the ability of diesel engines to asphyxiate anyone, he basically said, ‘look, the Jews went in but they didn’t come out. That’s the point as far as I’m concerned.’
I agree.
Body burning capacity for Auschwitz/Birkenau as reported by the Auschwitz camp SS-Sturmbannführer Karl Bischoff. I included the German copy correspondence. If anyone has any trouble with these calculations of the German officers for daily body count, you will be pissing in the wind. These numbers are not from the Jews but from Auschwitz commanders. The date is June 26,1943. Too early for any manipulation or fraud. The body count is listed for a 24 hour period as 4,756 corpses. My question for all of your deniers is WTF are these numbers about. Why would you need to keep track of a daily body count and boost your oven capacity and quantity of crematoriums if you were not murdering Jews on mass. I just cannot think of any reason other than mass murder. Who needs to keep track of 4,756 corpses being cremated in one day.
Standing by.
Well, you did comment on the article!
You were concerned then with ‘fair housing” laws rather than separation from Jews. My view has always been: Don’t associate with Jews in the first place, keep them away.
Where/when did I “praise hasidics who outlaw non-hasidic home ownership?? I did not. My idea has always been that Jews can put us into such a box that we have no choice but to, in some cases, buy them out to get free. The only answer is for Gentiles to not let them box us in in the first place.It’s through our own faults and failings that we allow it to happen again and again. The Pogo saying applies: “We have seen the enemy and he is us.” Don’t associate with Jews in the first place, keep them out of Gentile societies. Sure, there are nice Jews, even great Jews! But we will never be able to make laws strong enough to keep us safe from scheming Jews. Don’t look to lawmakers.
You mean information like this from Auschwitz camp SS-Sturmbannführer Karl Bischoff:
Daily body count
1. Old crematorium I (Auschwitz) 3 double-muffle cremation ovens – 340 corpses.
2. New crematorium I (Birkenau) – 5 three-muffle cremation ovens – 1,440 corpses
3. New crematorium III (Birkenau) – 5 three-muffle cremation ovens – 1,440 corpses
4. New crematorium IV (Birkenau) – eight-muffle cremation oven – 768 corpses
5. New crematorium V (Birkenau) – eight-muffle cremation oven – 768 corpses
Total: 4,756 corpses
Did Karl Bischoff get an e-mail from Rabbi Wise ?
Did the Russian delivery these turds to SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Bischoff?
Did Bischoff have ESP.
My sense of humor is up your ass with my bic pen, hoping you can smell your own shit.
Yes, proof: http://judaism.is/high-iq.html
You ask: “Why would you need to keep track of a daily body count and boost your oven capacity and quantity of crematoriums if you were not murdering Jews on mass. I just cannot think of any reason other than mass murder.”
My response: The short answer is that there was a typhus epidemic at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Approximately 135,000 people died in these camps from this epidemic and other diseases. Crematoria were needed to safely dispose of these dead bodies.
There’s talk here now about David Irving as if he’s some independent authority on the Holocaust.
David Irving knows which side his bread is buttered. He’s suffered humiliation and imprisionment….oh and I think he still owes Speilberg & Co about 3 million pounds which could be called in any time he has a ‘funny turn’
I never thought much of him before Lipstadt and thought even less after.
Typical of the man is the way he raised the nonsense that Churchill might be from a Jewish family and then left it hanging around like a bad smell for the past 30 years or so without ever saying he wasn’t being serious to begin with.
Unfortunately believers in Irving still swallow his crap.
When Shylock holds your pledge you need to tread carefully along the path laid out before you.
@Curmudgeon
Crickets? Cat-Got-Your-Tongue, Curmudgeon?
I have been a blacksmith for 40 years. I have worked with coal in a forge, a furnace and steam engine.
I worked for a funeral home. I drove the hearse that carried my Father(not germane to this point).
We had a crematorium onsite. A modern gas fueled one.
The claims of the number of cremated victims just isn’t possible. I don’t care who you reference, who you quote, it just isn’t physically, realistically, actually possible for those “ovens” to have cremated that number of corpses in that amount of time.
Bodies do not burn to the point of fueling other cremations. Physics just don’t work that way.
In a modern gas cremation, it takes all the fuel to reduce the body to ashes.
A coal fired incinerator is far less efficient. It would take a tremendous amount to do the job and the clean out between the firings is laborious. There is no such thing as an incinerator that runs non-stop. Even the best have to be taken offline for maintenance.
Removing the ash and clinker from the burning of coal is the main issue. The ash from the body is minor compared to the fuel residue.
Corpses are mostly water. It takes tremendous energy to overcome that.
It takes 2 plus hours to reduce a corpse to ashes in a modern gas fueled crematorium.
Sometimes it can take up to five hours.
Coal fired “ovens” will never have been more efficient than modern incinerators.
The claims of the number of cremations in the camps is complete nonsense.
If it isn’t, then we desperately need that technology for our coal fired powerplants today.
Where? When? Direct quote, please. I’m noticing you’ve developed a habit of contradicting me but never using my words. Taking a few words or a sentence out of the context of a longer statement. That’s dishonest, don’t you know?
Another for the record. Jews—such a wonderful people: “My sense of humor is up your ass with my bic pen, hoping you can smell your own shit.”
the fecal fixation of the Chosen Ones • https://fitzinfo.net/forum/topic/the-fecal-fixation-of-the-chosen-ones/
IIRC – Those ‘docs’ didn’t appear till after Bischoff died in 1950. How convenient he wasn’t around to help them with their enquiries.
Nice try John but that is BS. The existing ovens could take care of those 135,000 easily. The Germans never discuss Typhus, never they discuss the future cremation for the rapidly increasing influx of the Jews to the camps. Not for health reasons. All they talk about is keeping up with the massive importation of Jews arriving at the camp. And in general the expansion of the camp.
The designers and commandants had real pressure placed on them, as those trains pulled in.The camp could not possible hold the amount of Jews coming in. Especially the Hungarians on mass in 1944. Typhus is just a silly straw argument.
Freaking look at the amount of ovens John. The money and time spent on maximizing their efficiency. Constantly redesigning the muffles etc. They never once mentioned heath reasons.
So what did the war or camps manage to accomplish? What were they meant to accomplish?
Meyer Levin, of course! http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#diary
The ovens we are talking about were illegal. They were fed multiple bodies at one time thru multiple muffles. The physics being that one oven with multiple muffles would generate more heat and cause a greater burn time. They also continually ran 24 hours. They did not cremate people individually. They did not wait until one body was cremated before entering another. This was a highly unethical cremation process. I doubt the crematorium at your funeral home functioned in the same way. Anyway if you are interested there is a lot of documentation on this subject online, but the designers and engineers.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
Oh Hush, you’re detracting from the Fork-Tongued Revisionist-Narrative that the Holocaust only got going in the 1960s, which somehow totally doesn’t detract from the Double-Think Denier-Narrative that the Jews have been pushing the 6 million number since like Forever.
Here is an example of why I take issue with your style of commenting. You throw in that “we all agree” when you have no idea whether we all agree, and also who is “we”? In fact, I have lately realized that there is no reason to agree that a million Jews were ever transported to Treblinka; that the “evidence” is contained in one document listing those who presumably were sent. Did so many actually arrive? I brought this up to Germar Rudolf and he agreed it was not a certainty at all, but more like “best guess” (my wording) in an area of confusion. He said revisionists like Mattogno were “doing the best they could” to come up with answers. And that can change. So I personally do not accept the very high numbers that have been pushed through for the “transit camps.” I think it should still be considered an unanswered question and more work need to be done on it. One thing is clear: they were not ‘murdered’ in Treblinka.
It’s too bad it’s so little known that Eric Hunt found, in the UC survivor testimony video library, lots of interviews with ‘survivors’ who went to Trebinka or Belzec and then went somewhere else, back into the West. Many of them didn’t have anything horrible to tell, but did tell of just ordinary hardship and inconvenience. Those videos are there, but no one talks about them.
The movie was released in 1959.
Illegal is irrelevant. Running 24 hours is not realistic without downtime of more than 24 hours.
Unethical is not relevant to actual functional time.
Even if one corpse is introduced to the system immediately after the initial one, it still takes a tremendous amount of fuel to incinerate.
The fact that gas is far more efficient than coal rather proves the point that those “ovens” certainly did not function in the same way.
It just does not work that way.
I will read your references.
Your dunce kkkap is showing through the dirty white hood.
See post 554. Watch the videos more carefully. You were looking at tough people who were happy just to be alive.
‘Oh Hush, you’re detracting from the Fork-Tongued Revisionist-Narrative that the Holocaust only got going in the 1960s, which somehow totally doesn’t detract from the Double-Think Denier-Narrative that the Jews have been pushing the 6 million number since like Forever.
That actually accords with my memory. I became aware of the Holocaust in the mid-Sixties or so, and then and for some time after, it was part of the Second World War, and a horrific part — but that’s about as far as it went. The Nazis were bad. They killed lots of people, especially Jews. That was pretty much that.
It was only later — the Eighties? — that it all started acquiring this weird, quasi-religious significance, with anyone who questioned the reality of it literally being treated as a heretic. I mean, back in the day, there were Holocaust Deniers, but no one took them seriously. It proved you were a crank. That was about it.
Such, at any rate, is my recollection. This is still my attitude. I have no doubt at all Zundel or whoever is wrong. That doesn’t outrage me: lots of people are wrong. What outrages me is that they are persecuted for their beliefs, however incorrect they may be.
The weird thing is, it should be the other way around. I can see people getting seriously upset by Holocaust Denial when the event was still a living memory; like, in the Fifties. It would be like celebrating the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1954. Some people are going to get seriously pissed off.
But now? Eighty years after the fact? And you’re getting more censorious? Something else is up. You need that Holocaust — and you need to be able to persecute those who won’t join you in revering it.
Why? Why now but not then?
Then how come it was his daughter Margot who got the notice to be deported to a forced-labor concentration camp and not him?
Yet, it was the Father who survived, while the children perished. So much for that vaunted CPS.
And please do tell us more about those alleged Jews that were still roaming free on the streets of Amsterdam in 1944.
Look I am not arguing with you. It is not my field. I am reading information provided by serious German engineers. I respect German engineering a lot, and I have never found them to exaggerate their data. Just saying. Look at the articles I sent. There is very, very extensive literature on the body disposal at the camps.
One thing of note. During cremations, the flame does not touch the body. In the German camps you essentially had a blast furnace where you thru in the bodies to incinerate under tremendous heat. The only thing I can compare it to was the Fire rangers who died when the forest fires hit and turned them to ashes. The heat from these multiple muffle ovens was intense.
So he fled Germany to evade the financial regulators, and once in Amsterdam he worked with them? Are you deniers even trying to make sense?
Interesting – and False.
There are many correspondences back and forth to corroborate the data on body disposal. See below..
But man oh man did Mattagno and the revisionist step all over themselves trying to get that body count down. They got graphs and charts that look like data from the seals that failed when the space shuttle Challenger blew up. Honestly you can go into orbit with Mattagno’s data and he as an I- Italian engineer to back him up. Meanwhile everything we come up with is coerced or fraud. But the I-italian engineer also specializes in rocket scientist. Trust John Wear on this. This Italian engineer knows his stuff.
But I give my nod to the German engineers. They are unbelievable, when they put their mind to it, there is no finer or more precise engineering in the world. They are also very elegant and minimal when designing to solve a particular problem like this body disposal issue.Unbelievable to me that they would apply it to incinerating small children and men and women, and try to do it as fast and cruel as you could possibly imagine.
Regarding the revisionist claim that it is a forgery.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
Translation of a memo to Prufer about the body deposal not being enough.
Here is the original
I have not heard if the revisionist think this is a forgery. But it is on Topf stationary. As I said before there are many correspondences to corroborate the need for many ovens to burn bodies very quickly, not for health reasons.
TOPF To J.A. TOPF UND SÖHNE Erfurt, September 8, 1942
Department D IV
Our Mark: D IV/Prf./hes
In Matters of: Reichsführer SS, Berlin-Lichterfelde-West.
Concerning: Krematorium-Auschwitz.
Confidential! Secret!
8.9.42 Herr Obersturmführer Krone calls to say that he was
summoned to meet with Brigadeführer Kämmer and
to report on his inspection of the crematorium in Auschwitz,
whence he had returned yesterday. He could make nothing
of the facilities at Auschwitz and wanted therefore to inform
himself on how many muffles are in operation there at this
time and how many ovens with muffles we are building there
and are still to be delivered.
I told him that at this time 3 double-muffle
ovens are in operation, with a capacity of
250 per day. Further, currently under
construction are 5 triple muffle ovens
with a daily capacity of 800. Today and in the next few
days, 2 eight-muffle ovens, each with a daily capacity
of 800, will come on consignment, redirected from Mogilew.
Mr K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient;
we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible.
Thus, it is appropriate that I come to Berlin Thursday
morning in order to discuss further deliveries with Mr K.
I should bring documents on Auschwitz with me, so that
the urgent calls can be finally silenced once and for all.
I have agreed to the visit for Thursday.
I cannot believe you don’t know what the word “lies” means in German. On second thought, maybe I can.
You ask: “So what did the war or camps manage to accomplish? What were they meant to accomplish?”
My response: For a complete answer to your questions, I recommend you read my book “Germany’s War.” You can read it free on this website at https://www.unz.com/book/author/john_wear/.
You write: “The Germans never discuss Typhus…”
My response: The Germans were very concerned about the health of the inmates in their camps. Disabled inmates who were unable to work were also not instantly gassed.
The documentary evidence indicates that a high percentage of the inmates at Birkenau were disabled. Oswald Pohl, in a secret report to Heinrich Himmler dated April 5, 1944, stated that there were 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz-Birkenau camp complex, of which 18,000 were unable to work. In Birkenau there were a total of 36,000 inmates, of whom “approximately 15,000 are unable to work.” (Source: Nuremberg document NO-021, NMT (The “green series”), Vol. 5, pp. 384-385).
Such high percentages of disabled inmates at Auschwitz-Birkenau are not consistent with a program of mass extermination.
On December 28, 1942, SS officer Richard Glücks, who was the head of the camp administration office, sent a directive to commandants of the concentration camps. It ordered that “…camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps…The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor sites are improved as much as possible.” The directive also stressed that “the Reichsführer SS [Heinrich Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced.” (Source: Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2, NC&A (The “red series”), Vol. 4, pp. 833-834).
Glücks followed up his directive in January of 1943 by informing the concentration camp commandants, “As I have already pointed out, every means must be used to lower the death rate in the camps.” (Source: Document NO-1523, NMT ( The “green series”), Vol. 5, pp. 372-373).
German camp administrator Oswald Pohl, in an order dated October 26, 1943, gave specific measures to ensure the health and productivity of the internees of the camps. A copy of the order was sent to Himmler. Pohl began by stating the importance of the camps in the war effort. In addition to stressing the importance of proper nutrition, clothing, and rest, Pohl specified that ill prisoners were to receive a special diet to help restore their health. (Source: Pohl order to camp commandants, October 26, 1943. Bundesarchiv (Koblenz), Bestand SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt. Signatur NS 3/386. Sammlung von Verwaltungsanordnungen, insbes. KL).
Germany built highly sophisticated and expensive disinfestation facilities at Auschwitz/Birkenau to kill lice and save inmate lives. By one estimate, the SS at Auschwitz spent almost $1 billion in today’s values to bring the typhus epidemics raging there under control. An enormous amount of information exists concerning these German delousing facilities , but no similar information exists regarding the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz/Birkenau. (Source: Rudolf, Germar, The Chemistry of Auschwitz: The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers—A Crime-Scene Investigation, Uckfield, Great Britain: Castle Hill Publishers, 2017, pp. 175, 293).
Is it a conspiracy theory that the monument was built in 2004-2007, when non-chosen Yushchenko was president, and long before the alleged “coup” of 2014 that you chose to be so obsessed with?
http://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/details-photo/lviv-ukraine-september-5-leader-of-ukrainian-national-movement-stepan-bandera-monument-on-september-5-2013-in-lviv-ukraine/ESY-054374034
So what? Speculate all you want, quote the ruminations of engineers all you want, but you have adduced NO evidence that your super-duper-flammenwerfer crematorium ever existed anywhere. You should count your lucky stars that the Jews did not get much blowback for the ¼ billion they killed, directly and indirectly, in the 20th century.
Wherever/whichever one(s) he was/is told to go back to.
The first older plaque says nothing about Jews.
How many bodies have been found?
In any application, the flame never touches. That is the most inefficient part of the fire.
Coal is dirty and inefficient, but plentiful. It was a replacement for charcoal due to deforestation during the 17th century.
Charcoal, which the foresters were incinerated with, is quite efficient.
Blast furnace temperatures are indeed intense. But the structure to maintain those temperatures are delicate and need constant attention. They must be taken down to maintenance. Any crematorium, even a ceramic maker knows that.
Cremating bodies takes time, even with modern efficiency. I am not seeing that time in this application.
I’m sure you haven’t even seen the videos I’m talking about. You’re just one of the Jewish worker-bees (brand new here) who come around when a thread like this takes off on its own and gets down to the nitty-gritty, or essentials. That’s when I like it best, when we get down to the bottom line. It’s when you feel most threatened — and you’re right to be because that’s when your house-of-cards is most vulnerable.
John, I know that you don’t like being told what to do (who does?), but you should not reply to “Reality Cheque”; his only purpose here is to disrupt and distract any serious discussion taking place … by writing meaningless comment after meaningless comment that people will read and thereby get bored/tired/lose any clear train of thought, and leave this thread.
He’s sure not here to read your book.
Ask the editors of the Wall Street Journal…
100 Years of Communism—and 100 Million Dead
The Bolshevik plague that began in Russia was the greatest catastrophe in human history.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/100-years-of-communismand-100-million-dead-1510011810
Or, better yet, just watch the Chekist and follow the wagons overflowing with dead corpses to where they unload them.
I will go a little further and also correct the sentence “Many of them didn’t have anything horrible to tell” to “None of them had anything horrible to tell.” I watched all Eric provided to me and none contained anything like what the “myth” claims.
As to the number of persons transported to the so-called AR camps, we know that when it comes to the far-better-documented Auschwitz the numbers were consistently inflated an average of X10! Why do we accept these huge numbers for Treblinka, et al? Imagine transporting a million !!! persons to this very small camp. We toss these numbers around with no thought for ‘reality’–what it takes to accomplish such feats–as though the “Nazis” had magical powers above the laws of nature. Something stops our thinking/reasoning process. Oh, I know. It’s that thing called “Social Consciousness” — that thing that makes us want to believe what (we think) everyone else believes. It’s amazing how much we fear being “out of step.”
Another point to make is that almost all “believer” testimony comes from very old people, uneducated country folk. They are given special deference for reasons of sympathy & above mentioned “social consciousness” and can’t be cross examined or even doubted–publicly. The rest were “Nazis” who “turned” for whatever advantage it gave them in a punishing environment. Nothing reliable here!
So I’ve concluded that the need to defend the fictional number 6 million is the whole reason that all the other numbers are inflated; simply to add up to 6 million. Unfortunately, nothing was left of Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor — not even ruins from which wall scrapings could be retrieved, and no blueprints. No records either. So anything could be made of it, and was. I think these camps are in a different category than Auschwitz and Majdanek.
Also can’t be said too often: DI is not a Holocaust Revisionist! Some people put him at the top of their list! He is an innovative, often brilliant historian (not formally trained) who thought the Leuchter Report was going to change history and wanted to be in on it. He was always a Hitler sympathizer (if that’s the word) with an affinity for Germany’s situation. He is better than most, and I want to give him his due. But he’s not a Holocaust Revisionist since he is not learned or even capable in that field. He knows the Auschwitz story and the WWII story, that’s it. He seems to have lost what integrity he had during his Austrian prison experience. He now professes a partial revisionism (called by some semi-revisionism) that exempts only Auschwitz, or whatever he had already publicly denied pre-prison but, while in prison, was suddenly awakened to the reality of Jewish suffering and transferred the “Holocaust” to the AR camps where he claims up to 2.5 million perished. Don’t buy it.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’m not Jewish, and I don’t feel threatened. If anything, the videos show the superiority of their culture over yours (and most likely your entire family). Do you feel threatened?
Another thing. You have made a website, with your face on it
, publicly showing how much you love Hitler. You have ostracized yourself (maybe deliberately, but stupidly) from the rest of civil society.
My guess is that part of you knows how much you’ve messed up, but you’re in too deep to admit it.
You should look at the book The Young Hitler I Knew. Also all the psychotic speeches Himmler gave to his thugs in the SS. These guys were not smart, sophisticated or cultured. They were just like the current alt right trolls today. Emotional, bitchy, and obsessed with a childish strong man philosophy.
Welcome to the comments section of the Wicked Witch of the West.,(aka Caroline Yeager) No one can find her broom stick, and no one has gotten close enough to her to throw water on her so she will melt.
She is very, very upset that no one pays attention to her anymore. (She used to be a shaker and a mover in the H denial world). I would say she is just plain bitter. So take her with a grain of salt.
In comment number 421 of this discussion thread, Al Liguori did some excellent research showing many of the nasty comments you have made on Ron Unz’s website. Do you still stand by all of these comments?
Did you read the literature I referenced. Or just google “how did the ovens in the crematorium at Auschwitz/Birkenau work? Have you ever used an 8 muffle oven?
You are missing the most important point. After the oven was heated no further coke was required. loading the 8 muffles simultaneously created its own fuel for a clean burn.
Have you ever studied German engineering or taken apart a German machine, camera etc. They are unbelievable engineers and craftsman. I used to blacksmith as well, I have a Khun pneumatic air hammer with its own build in air compressor. I have tried maybe 13 different hammers. This hammer has a foot bar to control the force of the hammer on the anvil. You can strike it so delicately that you can crack an egg and still use it in a bowl. Or you can smash down very hard and taper steel at warp speed. I no longer forge steel. I use the hammer cold for texturing bronze and copper and sometimes steel (very hard on the writs). The machine is 30 years old and never misses a beat.
I am not going to comment on this any more. I have bigger fish to fry (no pun) on this thread and a very limited amount of time. All I can say is just study it.
Here is a link to the testimony of Henryk Tauber who worked loading the ovens in the crematorium for a long time. As you can see by his testimony, the crematorium was like a factory. I believe him and the German engineers who as you can see in his report timed the cremations.
https://zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/publication/3783/edition/3764/content
An exert from his testimony.
Dear Colin, I appreciate this information from you; it’s wasted on Reality Cheque. We are fairly close in age (heh heh), so I can relate. Note how we both write with good spelling and grammar, unlike younger folk today, LOL.
Yes, for me it was the mid-Fifties, but not called Holocaust, just ‘concentration camps’.
Yes again. I didn’t know any “holocaust deniers” but it did start being featured in the media (movies and tv) in the 70s. That made it a topic open for national discussion and penetrated my mind. Guess who caused that to happen?
When my assistant in my office opined that the H. didn’t happen, I was thoroughly shocked & couldn’t imagine where such an idea came from. I imagined it to be her husband and/or parents and dismissed it completely. I wasn’t ready to consider such a dramatic shift from the consensus. In the 80’s I went the ‘late hippie’ back-to-nature route, denounced/ignored American party politics and had the very best decade of my life. When I came back from that in 1996, I was ready to look at things afresh. First was the leading Jewish role in finance/creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System (Gold was being heavily promoted at the time), which tied into WWI and the new income tax. When I got on the Internet after 2000, my learning adventure exploded, especially after 2005 when I ‘retired’ from my five years of teaching. In 2007 I created my first website ALL BY MYSELF (didn’t know there was any other way!) and it was the hardest thing I ever did. I thought I would die from the mental effort (I was over 60) but I finally found an easier method and it got done (not wordpress, I didn’t know about that).
I never had any doubt he was right. After all, he was prosecuted in Canada in the 80s for the ridiculous “crime” of “spreading false news” and even after the charges were dropped ‘they’ never stopped persecuting him. Is that not a big sign it was all political? What could that one insignificant man do to disturb the whole world? Well, he had a passionate following, same as Hitler, same as Trump. You can call those men charlatans but that doesn’t change the fact that the PTB are afraid of them and feel the need to destroy them. This is not ordinary, run-of-the-mill persecution, but big-big-big time, continuing persecution, the only satisfactory end being complete reputation-destruction. Can you ignore that??
That ‘something else’ is that there are no real facts of a Holocaust, but there is the Myth of the Holocaust (fiction) and that’s what they’re protecting. Fiction presented as Fact will always need a lot of protection, and that’s why we’ll never see the end of it, friends. It won’t fade away naturally as most things do. It will only grow more dominant, as a Religion yes, a permanent International NARRATIVE, enveloping all nations, the globe! — a Global religion enforced by the UN, or equivalent organization … in fact, all organizations. And heading up the protective Force will be the Jews, God’s gift to the nations. Can you imagine it? I hope so.
This is the reason we must not let up but continue to expose this lie even harder — because it will only get harder, more fixed and unmoveable with time, not easier as some want to believe. It will take a change in Mind, in Consciousness, to a certain level. And anything that blocks the way must be pushed aside, no matter how dearly held. These words of Jesus come to mind: If you’re not willing to give up even your father, mother, etc. etc. (worldly ties), you’re not worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven (Truth/Salvation). (paraphrased)
Thanks for reading. I didn’t know when I began how I was going to end.
No where in the correspondences between the German officers and the Topf engineers did the Germans mention the speed increase needed for cremation was due to health concerns.. You would have thought they would say please hurry up people are dying with Typhus we have a health emergency on our hands. Crickets.
Then we still have the problem of the thousands of witness’s who saw people arrive on trains, head to the crematorium and never come out or where seen again, coincidently with the creation of ashes from huge amounts of human bodies. This is what I call the disconnect of logic of the H deniers. You can pick apart around the edges on body count, but it is logical to assume that the Jews were murdered in the 5 crematoriums.
Your entire post is dedicated to the supposed care by the Germans of the Jewish prisoners. This is perhaps the most disgusting and laughable lie you have ever told. The conditions in Auschwitz were inhumane. Below is a link to the expansion plans of Auschwitz by Karl Bischoff. There are architectural drawings on the link, that I am not going to post.
But let’s look at the barracks that were build for the prisoners, with dirt floors, no insulation, no running water and no heat. The Germans cared for the prisoners. How can you say that with a straight face.
Two reasons:
1. The internet and the ability to post anonymously. I propose that anonymity be stopped and everyone put a legal name to their postings. The anonymous postings on the internet have led to recycled conspiracies from the middle ages concerning the Jews. Most of these people are outliers, who if they had identities would be stopped by their own family members. Some are just dangerous degenerates or just plain psychos. Look at the difference in postings on this thread between the anonymous people and the people like yourself, John Wear, Caroline Yeager who have real identities. They are responsible for what they write.
2. The internet hatched an huge industry revolving around H denial. In the beginning most people ignored it and did not take it seriously because it is so preposterous. But it had legs, mostly because people can fabricate stories on line and they get a wide distribution. But that does not answer your question about the need for censorship.
H denial is a cover, it is really not the main topic of Holocaust that interest these people. It is the revival of an ancient conspiracy about the Jews. These people think that if they can convince the world that the Jews conspired and fabricated the entire Holocaust narrative, including faking documents, testimony and coercion of the perpetrators to tell lies, well then it is just a hop and skip to the conclusion that the Jews are conspirators working together to take over the world. World domination and that the Jews in toto need to be dealt with as an evil cult. Sort of like finishing what Hitler started.
Now we can get to the reason for censorship. The Christian community at large recognize the origins of Jew hatred as a Medieval Catholic religious conflict. Much like what Al Liquori posts.Both Christianity and atheist will not tolerate another Jew round up. The Muslims on the other hand love it, welcome it and help keep it going.
They censor information not so much for the H denial aspects, which by now have been totally refuted (H denial is on the other side of it’s hey day) but because it is a mask, a lie, the worst kind of lie, it is a trick, a rabbit in a hat, to try to get the world to turn on the Jews. People just hate trickery. Trickery and manipulation has zero virtue. It is by its nature and manipulation worse than anything the accuse the Jews of, because by its very nature it is a conspiracy. These people have no honor, or character traits that the western value system holds dear. H deniers are the slime of the earth.
Here is what the Judge said to Irving at the end of his trial, which is really a trial on H denial.
blockquote>When Shylock holds your pledge you need to tread carefully along the path laid out before you.
Just remember it was Irving who went after Shylock, not the other way around. Irving sued Penguin.
Poke the bear.
Thank you for your post. It is truly appreciated.
You mirror my awakening from the holocaust fable which occurred in the 1960s when “holocaustianity” as a religion was just getting ramped up. I KNEW “something was not on the up and up”, well before obtaining Arthur Butz’ book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry”.
I was able to reconcile Butz’ writings with my extensive engineering background. The claims that holocaust™ promoters were making were and still are impossible from an engineering, technical, physical and scientific standpoints. I was able to observe and reason that holocaust™ claims were false.
I have been unfriended by some for stating my resistance to and opposition to the “holocaustianity™” religion, having “payed the price” for seeking TRUTH–not MY TRUTH, but the clear unvarnished TRUTH.
I don’t care. It’s their loss, not mine.
The friends I do have are open-minded and willing to listen and debate.
When broaching the “holocaust™” fable, the first thing I tell those who will listen is to NOT accept what I was as “the unvarnished truth” but to investigate those things on their own. I WANT others to “see for themselves” that what they have been “spoon fed” since their youth is based on lies and fabrications. Logical thinking is encouraged. “Follow the money (shekels)” is a major part of the scam.
I then expand the discussion to the world wars, in general and ask the following question: “Why is everything that you hear about WW2 based on “Germany bad–Allies good?” I then go through the reasons why world powers rallied against Germany in both world wars. I discuss Adolf Hitler’s successes in one of his greatest achievements, the monetization of labor…recognizing and giving labor true value, not the banksters who produce nothing but reap great financial rewards. The excesses of the Weimar Republic which figured greatly in the destruction of German society are also discussed along with the principle figures (jews) in the destruction of German society..
Propaganda also figures prominently, Goebbels quote: “A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth” is an especially apt description of today’s mainstream media. Goebbels was right, but was criticized by the western media for stating as such.
More and more people are coming to the realization that “holocaustianity™ is indeed a “power grab” and is used to deflect well-deserved criticism from the “chosen”.
I point out that many European countries (and even Canada) have created a new “state relifion”, criminalizing any deviation from the “officially accepted narrative” of the “holocaust™ fable, criminalizing “holocaust™ denial and that the “search for truth” can result in prosecution, fines and imprisonment. I state that “truth cannot abide censorship”. THIS one fact is quite often enough to sway their minds.
I am doing my part…
Enough of my ranting for one post.
Best regards,
It is laughable to observe the number of commenters spout the old propaganda canard: Nazi=bad-Communist=good.
The “American History Channel” in the USA should be renamed the “American Hitler Channel” for all the falsehoods and propaganda that it portrays and disseminates about WW2, Germany and Adolf Hitler.
According to programs on the “American History Channel”, Hitler was a drug addict, impotent, riddled with syphilis and other STDs, yet possessed highly technical “superweapons”, possessed “alien technology”, advanced flight and anti-gravity technologies, and still could not “win” WW2.
Anyone with an open mind who watches the Hitler lies and fabrications on that channel can easily see that it is all BS, especially when the so-called “holocaust™” is inserted into just about all of these programming “gems”. The same old photos of emaciated typhus victim bodies are constantly being paraded around to remind “us” how evil Hitler truly was. (Yeah, right).
Germany was much more advanced than even the USA of the time, hence “Operation Paperclip” commenced in which the USA snatched up Germany’s greatest scientific minds after the summation of WW2.
Looking at the big picture (which is usually ignored), the “German state” was attacked by the rest of the world, and held on to its principles for far longer than expected.
Hitler’s greatest “sin” was the monetization of labor (giving labor true “value”) and going against the Rothschild banks. Going against the jew-run banks made Hitler “enemy #1”.
He also KNEW that there were Bolshevik jews who were fomenting communist revolution within Germany. Most people are unaware of the secret agreements that he had with the zionists to “encourage” jewish emigration to what was then known as Palestine. These agreements were celebrated by both the German government and the zionists at the time. A commemorative coin was even issued to celebrate the agreement. THAT aspect of history is never mentioned on the “American Hitler Channel”.
When it comes to WW2, Germany, and even the Allies, the “American History Channel” is 99% propaganda and 1% truth.
If those of “the greatest generation” could see the world of today and what it has become, being jew-controlled, they would have thrown off their American uniforms and fought on the side of the Germans…
Holocaust denial has nothing to do with the Holocaust. It is a trojan horse. People hiding like children behind a cataclysmic event for the chance to reach out from behind and grab and kill every Jew they can get their filthy lying hands on.
These people should be censored and imprisoned at every possible turn for the crime of using the Holocaust as a perpetual means to harm Jews. To finish what Hitler started. They are too cowardly to come out and say the truth face on, so they hide like baby rats behind a facade, a pretense that they are doing historical research to seek the truth.
‘…The anonymous postings on the internet have led to recycled conspiracies from the middle ages concerning the Jews…’
I”d attribute it more to current events that to the ability to post anonymously.
‘…These people should be censored and imprisoned at every possible turn for the crime of using the Holocaust as a perpetual means to harm Jews…’
Now there you go. That makes you much more of a threat to my freedom than either Carolyn Yeager or Al Liquori.
This is America. People should NOT be imprisoned for their beliefs — however misconceived or even noxious you may find them. Do you think we should lock up all Black Muslims? How about all Satmar Jews? I find supporters of Israel infuriating; I don’t propose locking them up.
What gives you the right to make such demands? Who do you think you are?
Yet photos of the multiple muffle furnaces remain.
A 4000 corpses per day travelling grate, or conveyor grate, crematorium would have been quite an engineering achievement at that that time, considering the severe shortage of really heat resisting metal alloys required for the travelling grate.
If these were really built, one would expect photos thereof all over the internet.
But none of that would prove that they were actually built at Auschwitz.
Queen Esther
I am not talking about beliefs. I am talking about conspiracies with the intent to harm.
Nothing to do with black muslims. If people were writing about Muslims conspiring to take over the world and calling for them to be dealt with en masse as dangerous. I would view that scenario with equal alarm. Look these H deniers are calling for the genocide of the Jews. That is what they want. That is dangerous. Anyone calling for the genocide of Muslims is equally dangerous. I really do not like Islamist. But not all Muslims are Islamist.
There is a muddy water line. The H deniers know this line and play with it. That is why they are completely evil. They are playing with us. If they could they would call for the round of Jews to death? or to where? They are not forthcoming with this information for obvious reasons. The most you get is like from Philip Girladi who proposes to keep Jews out of politics. But then who is a Jew?
Actually I would not mind rounding up and deporting Adam Schiff, a psycho liar. He should be censored and removed from the senate.
‘I am not talking about beliefs. I am talking about conspiracies with the intent to harm.
Nothing to do with black muslims. If people were writing about Muslims conspiring to take over the world and calling for them to be dealt with en masse as dangerous. I would view that scenario with equal alarm…’
But people do write just that about Muslims. I’ve never heard you express any alarm at all. Certainly you’ve never called for locking such people up.
Fran, the only saving grace of your hypocrisy is that you seem so genuinely oblivious of it.
Adam Schiff isn’t a Senator, Fran.
You very conveniently forgot to list the musings of that honourable judge of that trial, where he lamented that he was absolutely astounded by the lack of physical evidence to prove the assertions of any holocaust.
Similarly, Canadian high priest of holocaustism is on record in the Toronto Daily Star newspaper stating that for 99% of what we know of the holocaust, no evidence exists.
When I emailed him to ask for the evidence for the remaining 1%… Silence.
Hi a., I agree with most all of what you say here, but this sentence is very misleading. It’s not in itself ‘wrong,’ perhaps, but is surely not ‘right’ in the context you’ve put it. Adolf Hitler’s government had nothing to do with this “commemorative coin,” which was actually a bronze token created as a advertising gimmick (a giveaway) by Josef Goebbels’ Berlin newspaper, Der Angriff. The National Socialist Party newspaper was named the Voelkischer Beobachter & published in Munich.
Der Angriff was running a multi-part series titled, “A Nazi Goes to Palestine” and gave away this round token to help publicize their paper & the series. It was a common advertising practice in those days. People in more recent times have unearthed that story to pretend a relationship between National Socialists (“Nazis”) and Jews beyond that which actually existed. It’s bunk. You should never call it a “commemorative coin.” It was no such thing. See https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-disinformation-internet-part-one
Franny’s sick mind is fantasizing, again!
The only group actively promoting the diminishing of the western world is Judea!
I have not “Googled” anything.
I have spoken from experience.
Experience which you demean with your comment.
“You are missing the most important point. After the oven was heated no further coke was required. loading the 8 muffles simultaneously created its own fuel for a clean burn.”
I am well acquainted with German engineering. It is quite precise. Sometimes too much so, but never have I experienced where it defies real world physics.
In the 19th and early 20th century, Egyptians burned corpses for fuel. They were mummified remains devoid of water.
They made excellent fuel.
Newly deceased are still mostly water, even emaciated. They do not burn on their own without fuel to do so.
I don’t care who you quote. My experience calls to question your source’s validity.
The Khun air hammer is a nice unit. I have worked with several hammers and the foot pedal is not unique to that make, nor is its delicate touch.
Why is steel hard on your wrists? When it is hot, it is like striking butter and less intense that non-ferrous metals which are hammered cold.
“I no longer forge steel. I use the hammer cold for texturing bronze and copper and sometimes steel (very hard on the writs). ”
Either you do or do not forge steel. Which is it?
You write: “Then we still have the problem of the thousands of witness’s who saw people arrive on trains, head to the crematorium and never come out or where seen again, coincidently with the creation of ashes from huge amounts of human bodies. This is what I call the disconnect of logic of the H deniers.”
My response: You forgot to mention that numerous witnesses did not see any mass genocide at Auschwitz.
For example, Thies Christophersen was a witness who said that the alleged genocide of Jews never happened. Christophersen supervised about 300 workers, many of them Jewish, at Auschwitz from January to December 1944. On a number of occasions during this period he visited Birkenau where allegedly hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed to death. In a memoir first published in Germany in 1973, The Auschwitz Lie, Christophersen wrote that during the time he was at Auschwitz he did not notice the slightest evidence of mass gassings. In March 1988 at the Ernst Zündel trial in Toronto, he also successfully answered numerous pointed questions by the prosecuting attorney about his experiences at Auschwitz.
After The Auschwitz Lie was published, Christophersen received thousands of letters and calls. He wrote in regard to these letters and calls:
“Many of those who contacted me can confirm my statements, but are afraid to do so publicly. Some of those are SS men who were brutally mistreated and even tortured in Allied captivity. I also immediately contacted those who claimed to know more about mass gassings. My experiences were precisely the same as those of French professor Paul Rassinier. I have not found any eyewitnesses. Instead, people would tell me that they knew someone who knew someone else, who talked about it. In most cases the alleged eyewitnesses had died. Other supposed eyewitnesses would quickly begin to stammer and stutter when I asked a few precise questions. Even Simon Wiesenthal had to finally admit before a Frankfurt district court that he was actually never in Auschwitz. All of the reports I have heard about are contradictory. Everyone seemed to tell a different story about the gas chambers. They couldn’t even agree about where they were supposed to have been located. This is also true of the so-called scholarly literature, which is full of contradictions.…”
Another eyewitness who did not see any evidence of genocide of the Jews is Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich. Dr. Stäglich, a German judge, visited Auschwitz several times during the Second World War as a German orderly officer of an Anti-aircraft Detachment. Dr. Stäglich published the following account of his visits to Auschwitz:
“On none of these visits did I see gassing installations, crematoria, instruments of torture, or similar horrors. The camp gave one the impression of being well-kept and very well-organized…The camp reminded me of the German Labor Front camp in which I served out my six-month stretch in the Labor Service, except that Auschwitz was, of course, considerably larger…None of the inmates behaved as though they were in fear of mistreatment, let alone death.
On the later point, one encounter with inmates especially sticks in my memory. As some comrades and I were standing near the camp one evening, we caught sight of a big gang of inmates returning to camp from work in the industrial plants. They were escorted by a relatively small contingent of SS-men—mostly older people—and seemed to be thoroughly undisciplined. They talked loudly among themselves, laughing all the while. Two or three inmates dropped out of line when they spotted us, opened their flies, and made water. Although this gesture could have been interpreted as a sign of contempt for German men in uniform, the SS guards ignored it completely. Later, whenever I heard that mortal terror prevailed in the concentration camps, I had to recall this incident. That is hardly the way people who are in constant fear of death behave.”
Joseph G. Burg, a Jewish author who wrote several books on the Holocaust story, testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that he had spoken to hundreds of people who had been at Auschwitz-Birkenau when he visited the camp in the fall of 1945. Burg formed the opinion that there were no German extermination camps, the gas chambers had never existed, and there was no plan to exterminate the Jews of Europe.
Joseph Burg also testified at the 1988 Zündel trial that he spoke to hundreds of people who serviced and operated the crematoria, but he could not find anyone who had operated homicidal gas chambers. Burg testified that the crematoria had been established for hygienic purposes as a result of typhus and other diseases. Burg also testified that he attended the Nuremberg trials in 1946 and met Ilya Ehrenburg, who had visited Auschwitz-Birkenau, as well as a Jewish publisher who had been interned in Auschwitz for several years. Both Ehrenburg and the Jewish publisher said they did not see or hear of any homicidal gas chambers while at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Another credible eyewitness is the Austrian-born Canadian Maria Van Herwaarden, who was interned at Birkenau from December 2, 1942 to January 1945. Van Herwaarden testified at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that she saw nothing at Birkenau that resembled mass murder. She did testify, however, that many of the inmates at Birkenau died from diseases and some inmates committed suicide. No prosecution witnesses were called during this trial because the prosecution knew of no survivors who could withstand cross examination by Zündel’s defense attorney.
I can give you references for these statements upon request.
Those dastardly Germans! Among the many “inhumane conditions” was disguising the fire brigade reservoir as a swimming pool. And then there is this week’s report about the soup Nazis poisoning the Jews’ soup. (Of course that proves that the Germans were feeding those Jews). Shocking! Such evil! Just Shocking!
For a good laugh, look up the definition of the Yiddish word “schnorrer.” Chabad Fran is a schnorrer.
It’s quite amusing that Chabad Fran has blathered on for a week about the “need” for greater crematoria capacity, the “patent” proposed as a possible Final Solution to that Jewish Problem, and yet not a shred of evidence that the conveyor belt, 4-story, super-duper-flammenwerfer- flames-never-touch-the-holy-Jewish corpses crematorium ever existed anywhere—not a shred!
Our favorite “survivor” tale is the guy who escaped by fooling a camp guard into thinking the Jew was Jesus Christ.
…closely followed by the extermination roller coaster…
…and the ½ million Jew kids lured to their doom by chocolates…
…and, oy veh, the perpetual paranoia!
Yes, John, please do provide verifiable citations for those excerpts. To corroborate my sections on “eyewitness” (((liars))) http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#eyewitnesses and imbecilic testimonies http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#imbecilictestimony , I would like to add a section on eyewitness truthers!
All right, for Thies Christopherson, you can read the article at Christophersen, Thies, “Reflections on Auschwitz and West German Justice,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 6, No. 1, Spring 1985. You can read this article on ihr.org. You can also purchase his booklet The Auschwitz Lie.
For Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich, you can read the book Stäglich, Wilhelm, Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence, Institute for Historical Review, 1990. There is an updated version of this book sold by both The Barnes Review and CODOH.
For Maria Van Herwaarden, Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, pp. 253-255.
For Joseph Burg, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, pp. 259-262.
Forging steel means working with hot steel. I no longer have a forge (it was a Johnson Gas forge),
I do not consider hammering cold steel forging, as I do not want to change the shape of the plates (that is what I consider forging) I use the hammer to texture on small plates. If you google my name and go to my website you can see all my wrought iron work (I had two Polish blacksmiths working for me). If you go to my gallery Ralph Pucci, you can see plates of metal with textures created by hammering the plates cold, if I were to heat the metal it would alter the shape.It is hard to strike cold, it has a lot of bounce.
You can disagree with the data on the body disposal at Auschwitz, I am not selling it. After studying it I believe it. You have no experience working an 8 muffle forge designed by Topf and sons, so your arrogance, concerning your expertise in my opinion is completely misplaced. You really no nothing about cremation. You road a hurst
You still do not understand what they are saying. The put the bodies in before the others are finished. The continual burning makes the oven supper hot. So while the bottom one is burning the top is becoming dehydrated from water. I Just do not follow your logic concerning Egyptian mommies as being relevant to this situation.
I found a photo on my flicker of the texture I was talking about. I do not alter the shape of the metal. It needs to hammered cold. You might need to blow it up to see the hammer marks.
Thies Christophersen is an avid H denier, an activist. He actually never stayed in Auschwitz and never supervised 300 workers at Auschwitz. So he is hardly credible. John he never was an Auschwitz and was a National Socialist.
“Drive” not “road”. “Hearse” not “hurst”.
No. I did not drive the hearse. I would love to have done so though.
My arrogance? Interesting and unfortunate comment.
And yes, you have been hard selling your point on here, in (using your jargon) a very arrogant fashion.
The Ralph Pucci site does have excellent design work. Top notch.
Wilhelm Stäglich a Nazi who never lived at Auschwitz. Hardly a credible witness. John you have picked a bunch of Nazi’s engaged in H denial. No serious person is going to believe this. These people you list were not prisoners, and are all pro Hitler. I am stopping with this guy and not wasting my time on anyone else.
With regards to the conditions at Auschwitz. The barracks did not have running water until 1944.
To go to the toilet and wash your hands was equivalent to climbing Mt. Everest. You had to strip nude and walk to a shower place outside in the winter. You could not go to the toilet at night, so there were buckets of shit where in the sleep areas. The toilet latrines were cement slaps with holes. There was no toilet paper. The smell in those rooms was vomit worthy. There was severe overcrowding in these facilities. In short these facilities were unhygienic in the most basic sense They were disease making, rat and lice invested quarters. You see photos of the inmates, you know that they died of diseases. All of what I say about the sanitation is verifiable and true. Would you say Dr. Wilhelm Stäglich’s description below was accurate? Only an avid Nazi, and H denier could right such stupid propaganda. Nuff said about the hygiene at any of the camps. It was dreadful.
You write: “Thies Christophersen is an avid H denier, an activist. He actually never stayed in Auschwitz and never supervised 300 workers at Auschwitz. So he is hardly credible. John he never was an [sic] Auschwitz and was a National Socialist.”
My response: The fact that Thies Christophersen was an active Holocaust revisionist and a National Socialist does not disqualify his testimony. Christophersen bravely disputed the official Holocaust story because he believed it to be not true.
At the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial, Christophersen testified that as a member of the German army he was in Auschwitz from January 1944 to December 1944 working at sub-camp Raisko growing Kok Sagis, a type of dandelion which produced a white latex used in the production of synthetic rubber.
As well as about 200 women internees who lived at Raisko itself, the work was done by women inmates from Birkenau, located about two kilometers away, and men from the main camp of Auschwitz, located about one kilometer away. Christophersen supervised their work. There were civilian employees as well including Russian agronomists.
Christophersen attended concerts in Auschwitz on Sundays where there was a weekly concert held under the camp gate by internees who were professional musicians. Anyone could listen to the concert who was walking around.
Christophersen went to Birkenau perhaps 20 times in the entire time he was at Auschwitz to get workers for Raisko or to fetch material from Kanada, the storage place for internees’ property.
I could go on. Chistophersen is a credible witness. For more information, please read Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, pp. 170-175.
You write: “Wilhelm Stäglich a Nazi who never lived at Auschwitz. Hardly a credible witness. John you have picked a bunch of Nazi’s engaged in H denial. No serious person is going to believe this.”
My response: Just because a person is a National Socialist does not reduce their credibility. I do believe his description of Auschwitz is credible. Wilhelm Stäglich disputes the official Holocaust story because the official Holocaust narrative is not credible. His book “Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence” is an excellent book. I suggest you read it some time.
Yeah it sort of does disqualify Christophersen. In order to be a credible witness you need to be a prisoner, a wanted prisoner. A Jew or Gypsy or political prisoner. I cannot help you if you do not get that John. Is similar to asking Mr. Hersey to judge chocolate bars and asking which one is his favorite. I do not believe any part not one word of his testimony. He is a biased National Socialist. He wants to make the Germans look good, and the Jews to be liars. Amazing the people you disqualify on the other side of the coin, and pawn this dude off as reliable is just laughable.
The Jews arriving at Auschwitz traveled arduously in cattle cars from degrading conditions in ghettos. Auschwitz was not a spa. Some people had it harder than others. But having a bucket of other peoples shit in your sleeping quarters, with 5 in a bed. No showers or toilets, kind of speaks for itself. Barely enough food to survive, and living with rats and lice. I would have not listed a week.
You write: “In order to be a credible witness you need to be a prisoner, a wanted prisoner. A Jew or Gypsy or political prisoner.”
My response: You are essentially saying that loyal Germans can never be credible witnesses. This is total nonsense. Jews, gypsies and political prisoners can be extremely biased. After all, they are the ones that have been receiving large amounts of reparations from the German government.
In what way was the official Holocaust story not credible. There were bathrooms and showers? The food was 4 store? There was no malnutrition and disease. What part was wrong about the living conditions. There was a family camp that was much nicer for what ever reasons. But what other parts are incorrect. You think all the Jews are biased and their stories are unreliable. Why would the National Socialist want to portray their fellow National Socialist as murders? See my point?
Irving was a fool and was warned against taking action. There is a saying: “A man who represents himself has a fool for a client.” He thought he would dazzle the judge with his eloquence and command of history and so chose to proceed without a jury. That was his second big mistake! A jury would have seen the judge’s bias and may have rooted for the underdog which Irving clearly was. And Lipstadt’s decision to hide from Irving in an open courtroom would not have gone down well with a jury.
To be sure, Lipstadt is a disgrace. Not only is she incompetent and a liar, but she is also a coward who refused to leave her seat and speak in her own defence. The millions pumped into the case enabled the tables to be turned so completely that people thought (and still think) it was Irving who was being prosecuted.
You ask: “In what way was the official Holocaust story not credible.”
My response: The official Holocaust story is not credible in that: 1) there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German concentration camps; 2) Germany did not have a program of genocide against the Jews; and 3) the standard estimate of 6 million Jews who died during World War II is a ridiculous exaggeration.
Anyone who studied this subject objectively would reach the same conclusions.
Cry me a river Henry. You play with fire (H denial) you are going to get burned. Assholes all around. Don’t matter. People see thru H denial as Jew hatred. Take the mask off or we will rip it off. That is what is behind all H denial. Sorry to burst your bubble. But that sort of thing has a stench. Playing games with the world and thinking your clever well….. The man is finished and deservedly so.
FYI, millions of good, clean, intelligent European people used outhouses for their toilet facilities since time immemorial. Among my father’s relatives, his uncle settled in Saskatchewan, Canada to farm, as well as my father’s brother moved there from Ill. and bought land for his own farm. We spent my Dad’s 3-week vacation with them when I was 8 yrs. old. No one had indoor plumbing; there was a well and hand pump outside the front kitchen door at my uncle’s and that’s where they got the water. We had to walk down a short path to the outhouse. My cheerful aunt was a super-clean, hard-working German woman who grew up there, and kept everything as nice as possible, but the outhouse still stank by afternoon and evening. But we got used to it. That what you do! Even my super-clean, fussy mother was able to tolerate it without complaining. She had been there before. We only got a bath once a week on Sat. night bc they were experiencing a drought. My mother had hers first and we kids bathed in her bath water! I’m not real clear but I think my father used the same water after that! It wasn’t deep either. Yet no one looked dirty and we had a great time with our 3 cousins; it was a memorable vacation. My sister and I slept in a feather bed in our own little bedroom. The food was great.
The point being: Everything is doable, survivable, and we can become accustomed to almost any conditions. And even laugh and have fun. Not having indoor plumbing is not the worst thing in the world, and since most people can get through the night, a pot by your bed is sufficient for older folk. Once I was on a 4 or 5 day camp-out in the Ozarks, and the outdoor latrines were pretty bad and kind of far away from where I was camped. If I had to go at night or even early in the morning, I just went out in the grass. In the daytime I could pee in the lake; probably most who used the lake did. You, of course, paint the worst possible picture, yet you were not there and know nothing!
Complete exaggeration on your part. Fantasy. Why would you have to strip naked and then walk to the shower place? You just have to lie, don’t you?
Yeah, in outhouses it’s the same thing! Only wood. And I bet many of those Jews from eastern ghettos were used to the same thing as my Canadian relatives had back then. It was all they knew.
John you are incredibly dense. I did not say that loyal Germans can never be credible. They are very credible. H deniers are not credible under any circumstances. If you have followed my posts I have explained why. H deniers are phonies. They could care less about the Holocaust. H deniers are Jew haters, who use the the cataclysmic events that occurred during WW2 to perpetuate a myth that there was a Holocaust to wipe out the Jews.
The goal of H deniers is to reach out from behind the Holocaust mask and grab us by the throat, and kill us. H deniers want to prove that the Jews fabricated a myth about people wanting to kill them and called it the Holocaust. They manipulated the world into believing that Hitler and the 3rd Reich were out to mass murder the Jews, and it is a lie. It was all made up like a Hollywood movie set. with props and fake dead bodies, like Hogans Heroes or something. We faked all the data, coerced all the Germans, and pretended our family members were gassed when in reality they are living in some comfortable place and not dead at all.
So the question arises. Well what kind of people would do that sort of thing? Who would perpetrate a victimization show on the world and pretend people died when they didn’t? Al Liguori’s post pretty much sums up what Jews are like. The synagogue of satan. A cult of evil. You always by the way agree with his characterization of the Jews, as a people born into evil. Al has a master plan for how the Jews should be punished for their crimes. You agree no?
What is your plan for a tribe of people that would collectively create the heinous crime of framing the innocent, and pretending they are the victims of a fake crime. What do you think our punishment be for faking the Holocaust?
That is why H deniers are not credible people. It is not about the Holocaust it is about what Al Liguori says. We are the devil and need to be singled out and dealt with collectively. Why would I believe anything an H denier says about me, if the goal is to destroy me and all Jews. Are H deniers unbiased observers?
It is really weird that you do not understand how the world at large views you all. They are also not interested in your charts and graphs.
You really do need treatment. You’re not at all well. Poor thing
Really Caroline, did you have to do all of this outdoorsy stuff with thousands of strangers around? Or sleep with 4 or 5 strangers in a bed? Did you live on 1300 calories a day and forced to do hard work for piece of bread and margarine at night? Did you have a change of clothing? Warm clothes and shoes?
Did you become emaciated from hunger? Experience lice in your hair and clothing. Rats roaming around.
Your place in Canada sounds like heaven. Auschwitz like hell. Sorry if you cannot see the difference. BTW I am no princess. I work day and night grinding steel and come in soaked and stinking. The dogs run from me. So I know heaven from hell. There was very little privacy for women, and menstrual stuff. All in all Auschwitz was a pretty humiliating place to be. I do not see being wet and cold and hungry to be anything to enjoy.
Did you have toilet paper in Canada or was that a part of ruffing it?
‘…My response: You forgot to mention that numerous witnesses did not see any mass genocide at Auschwitz….’
I think an important point is that much of what is retailed about Auschwitz could be exaggerated or even fictional — and the Holocaust nevertheless entirely real.
After all, the current orthodoxy is that about five million Jews died in the Holocaust — but only about a million of those at Auschwitz.
So Auschwitz might be largely exaggerated. So what? You’ve still got the shootings in the Western Soviet Union, the ‘Operation Reinhard’ camps, the deaths from disease and starvation in the ghettoes and in transit, killings by the Romanians et al, and deaths in brutally-run mines and factories.
Discrediting Auschwitz does make all the rest of it less creditable — but it doesn’t make it all go away. Consider, for example, the detailed and precise testimonies in Christopher Browning’s Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Holocaust (or something like that). I find the notion that it is all fabricated absurd — yet the book describes an enormous number of killings, none of them at Auschwitz or indeed at any major camps at all. All that going on could account quite nicely for millions of Jews — Auschwitz or no.
‘…Cry me a river Henry. You play with fire (H denial) you are going to get burned. Assholes all around. Don’t matter…’
And let all those who would advocate unpopular views take heed, eh, Fran?
The fact of the matter is that whatever the merit and motives of denying the Holocaust, the response to it is both absurd and indefensible.
‘…Thies Christophersen is an avid H denier, an activist. He actually never stayed in Auschwitz and never supervised 300 workers at Auschwitz. So he is hardly credible. John he never was an Auschwitz and was a National Socialist…’
Well, Wikipedia states the following as fact:
‘…Christophersen was born in Kiel. A private in the Wehrmacht, he was deployed as a “special leader” by the Waffen-SS during World War II,[1][2] and was stationed during this time at the pest control facility Rajsko,[3] located three kilometres (1.9 mi) from Auschwitz concentration camp. Christophersen insisted that, staying in the area, he would have been certain to identify mass killings and claimed that he never witnessed or made aware of any such incidents…’
You can claim that he’s simply lying. However, it’s unreasonable to assert he couldn’t have known whether or not it was happening. This was, after all, not a matter of somebody drowning a kitten in the bathtub. It was supposedly the slaughter of thousands of human beings every day. This implies a lot of activity, if nothing else. It would be like not noticing the steel mill down the road.
and ?🤔What does that prove ?
How do you know he was a “NAZI”? Have you seen or ever read he was a member of the National Socialist Party or seen a record of it? Maybe he was just a loyal German, like most other Germans. Also, are Germans or “NAZIS” the only ones that should not be believed and are “liars” if what they say is in defense of the Germans or does that also apply to Jews that say things in defense of Jews? Can an American soldier who belonged to the Democratic Party (the party of FDR and Truman) be believed as to what he saw in the war? How about a Russian soldier that belonged to the communist party or a British soldier that belonged to the Conservative Party (Churchill’s party)? Can they be believed as to what they say? How about a Jew? Can he or anyone else that says something that supports what is in that groups interest be believed or is it only a German that can’t be believed? Many Germans didn’t belong to the party, including many that served in Germany’s armed forces, including Generals.
By the way. Since Jews have given the word “NAZI” the derogatory meaning it has today and you like using it so much, would you object if I refer to you and other Jews I don’t like as kikes? I would use a derogatory word Germans had for Jews but I’m not aware of any.
You write: “The goal of H deniers is to reach out from behind the Holocaust mask and grab us by the throat, and kill us.
My response: This is total nonsense. I am not out to kill anyone.
You ask: “Are H deniers unbiased observers?”
My response: I think I am unbiased and have studied the subject objectively.
You write: “It is really weird that you do not understand how the world at large views you all. They are also not interested in your charts and graphs.”
My response: I am not concerned with how the world at large views me. I am concerned about the truth.
General George Patton wrote about the filthy habits of the jews. Those jews who were sequestered in “DP camps” (displaced persons) had to be forced to use toilets with the threat of rifle butts. Their filthy practices were to defecate and urinate in the corner of a room rather than using the sanitary facilities provided.
General Patton quotes on Jewish “refugees”:
“This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it.”
This type of Jew considers the world his own personal garbage dump, his own personal latrine, both in a physical and in a cultural sense. The concept of shame would not appear to be a Talmudic trait, nor would honesty, decency or decorum. This, of course, is not meant to indict all those born or raised Jewish, since heritage and upbringing are not a question of personal choice. The burning of bridges with the rest of humanity occurs when the Jew accepts the Talmudic mitzvahs and consciously throws in his lot with and concurs with the Deicide of the Sanhedrin. At that point, Truth and Goodness are abandoned, common humanity is abjured and the Synagogue of Satan is embraced.
…“where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression “lost tribes of Israel” applied to the tribes which disappeared – not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe – lost to all decency.”
More recently, stinky jews were kicked off an airline flight in Detroit due to other passengers’ complaints. They were given a free hotel room in which to “clean themselves up” and were put on a flight to Florida the next day. They are now suing the airline for refusing to allow them to “fly while stinky”.
Only jewish suffering counts…
Let’s not forget the so-called jewish “holocaust™” (which most aspects and claims of can easily be disproven) in which “jewish suffering is the only suffering that counts” and that suffering of everyone else during the world wars is ignored.
You see, in the jewish mind, gentiles are “livestock with souls, to be used for the advantage of the jews” and as such, gentile suffering is inconsequential, no different than that of livestock, and can be ignored. In fact, to this day, slavery of gentiles has never been repudiated in any jewish texts. It’s all in their talmud.
In addition, the so-called “holocaust™” has been turned into a religion in many countries, from which dissension from the “commonly accepted (falsehoods, lies and fabrications) beliefs” is punishable by fines and incarceration. Even Canada has made “questioning the official holocaust™” narrative” a crime.
Ask Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer, Sylvia Stolz, Ernst Zundel, and many other dissenters (actually truth martyrs) what their search for TRUTH has gotten them. In fact, in these “holocaustianity™” show trials and prosecutions, evidence refuting “the commonly accepted “holocaust™” narrative cannot be introduced into evidence. Any lawyer who attempts to do so is cited for “contempt of court”.
What is the (((tribe))) attempting to hide??
From an engineering standpoint, all of the officially accepted “holocaust™” narratives are not physically, scientifically or logistically possible.
It is long overdue for the so-called jewish “holocaust™ ” to be investigated by an impartial international commission with the findings eventually resulting in the closure of ALL “holocaust™” freak shows (oops, I mean “museums”)…
Henry, Fran is a product of the girl’s yeshiva she went to in place of real schooling. She proudly told me that, right on this site, a few years ago. There are a lot of such people who hang out here.
I went to public school and a wasp boarding school where I was the only Jew. People say the same thing about you Caroline. Did you go to a girls Yeshiva? What caused your obsessive Jew hatred? I specifically told you in one of our more personal discussions that I did not go to a Yeshiva. So please do not lie. My room mate at my boarding school was Tracy Gamble as in Proctor &.
Yes, it’s hard to us to imagine (therefore believe) that any people would refuse toilets and prefer defecating on the floor, knowing that some German person would have to clean it up. Now that’s true nastiness! One Jewish “survivor” who admitted she did that, over and over daily, was Irene Zisblatt, author of “The Fifth Diamond,” her memoir as an Auschwitz survivor, and one of the five starring victims in Steven Spielberg’s award winning “documentary” film, The Last Days. https://carolynyeager.net/fifth-diamond-special-jewel-genre-holocaust-horror-stories
So it’s not Patton’s imagination or “Jew-hatred” playing out, but God’s honest truth. And what happened to Patton after that? (((They))) got rid of that dude, even though he was an American big shot war hero! Telling the truth about Jews is not allowed!
Pure rubbish!
Extracted from Fran Taubman’s archive of comments:
If the letter is genuine, it contains some interesting information.
Were 8 muffle crematoria ever installed at Auschwitz?
Any authenticated photos?
“…Holocaust, planned and carried out by the Nazi regime from 1935 to 1945…”
Please show authenticated minutes of orders, minutes of meetings, plans, memorandum, budgets, etc., to prove your point.
Note that during the Zuendel trials in Toronto, the prosecution was unable to produce any such documents.
Your “art” and “morality” betray a satanically disordered mind and soul. (((Expectedly))) so.
Little of what you write here is true or can be documented as true, except possibly in unusual, individual cases but not across the board, beyond what totally unreliable Jewish storytellers write/tell in their stories. Don’t rats roam around everywhere? And lice too? Again, when I was a kid (in the forties and early fifties) I had 3 male cousins–not the Canadians but in our hometown in Illinois–who had to wear a tight, rather hideous “wrapping” around their head bc they had gotten lice (they thought from the movie theater; it was recommended not to rest your head on the back of your seat). As I recall, this was a fairly common sight! Anyway, I did see others with it. IOW, none of this is particularly a sign of “Nazi brutality” or intended “genocide of Jews.” The camp administrators worked very hard to prevent rats and lice, but they go where people are.
Contrarily, what I wrote in the comment you’re replying to is all true because it’s my own personal experience, and I’m relating only what I recall clearly. That’s why it’s not dramatic, like your ‘stories.’ Nothing of what you are claiming is from your own experience; you are making it up! What benefit is it to you and your cause to do that? None, but you can’t help yourself. My article https://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/elie-admits-his-true-stories-never-happened/ explains very well what I’ve discovered about Jews from Jews themselves! I consider it one of my most important and insightful writings, so I hope you (and others) will read it if you haven’t already, but I’m not holding my breath.
I don’t believe you work “day and night”. Why say you do?
Agreed.
Who said it was? But Auschwitz inmates were NOT wet, cold and hungry at the same time. They may have at times experienced one of those things–haven’t we all?–but very seldom all at once.
I’m sure there was toilet paper but, humorously, I remember there being a seed catalogue, both for reading and in case the t.p. ran out. True!
Fran’s threats, including death threats to posters here (e.g., myself and geokat62), are a matter of record. Of course, our gentile lives are valueless to the “humans” because we gentiles are non-human. http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html That is part of what galls Chabad Fran so much—that a few of her “humans” died in a war they started to exterminate us “animals with satanic souls,” “empty husks,” “kelipot,” etc..
Sorry if I remember that incorrectly, but in trying to bring that back I think it’s more likely that you referred to your schooling with the term yeshiva (as a Yiddish(?) word for school) and later explained to me that it was not that but a public, and then boarding, school. Yes, I recall that now, but also the other. You DO exhibit regularly the tendency to misspeak and say all kinds of contradictory things, so that is possible. I can make mistakes but I never purposely lie.
You and I never had any “personal discussions.” AFAIK, all our back and forth was on this website, open to everyone.
Umm. Interesting. Rich girl? How did you rate that … or keep up?
Wonderful, geokat. You’re a true friend!
No, the current orthodoxy is and always has been comprised of the three pillars as laid out by John Wear in an earlier post:
When someone says they believe “the holocaust happened,” aren’t they’re implicitly accepting the veracity of each of these three pillars?
Patton had to be eliminated because he protested the treatment of Germans after the war. He was a true statesman who recognized that Germany was dragged into war and then blamed for it all–victors’ revenge. Patton saw the German people and society as an honorable system deserving of respect and wanted to preserve it. Unfortunately, the jewish interests of the time differed and exacted their revenge.
He recognized the jewish menace for what it was (and still is).
Since American troops were still in Europe, he wanted to roll into Russia, eliminating the jewish communist menace once and for all, that threatened eastern Europe and which would have forestalled and prevented the sacrifice of eastern Europe to the communists.
He publicly protested against the treatment of Germans and Eisenhower’s Rheinwiesenlager death camps in which ordinary German soldiers were interned after the war. Eisenhower declare that these unfortunate occupants were not “prisoners of war”, but were “disarmed enemy combatants”, not entitled to “Geneva Convention” protections as to their denied status as “prisoners of war”. The Rheinwiesenlager camps were a series of camps without housing, sanitary facilities and the like. The internees were exposed to the elements and were starved to death. Although Red Cross packages and food were readily available, none was permitted to be given to the internees.
Those who attempted to do so were threatened with death.
Eisenhower was a mass murderer beyond anything blamed on the German people or government. To this day, there is little, if any mention of Eisenhower’s German death camps in any history texts.
Eisenhower was a jewish “paper pusher” who hated everything German with a vengeance (except for the Autobahn which he copied for the American interstate highway system).
The “best and brightest” were sacrificed and led to the slaughter for jewish hatred of Germany and for the international banksters interests.
Imagine where we would be today if Germany had been allowed to prosper politically and technologically…the jewish menace would have been eliminated or largely controlled.
There would be colonies in space and on the moon among other technological and social advancements. The world would be 100 years more advanced than it is today.
There is an old saying about “sins of the father should not be visited on the children and grandchildren”. It would seem that this does not apply to Germany to this day.
Best regards,
I did go to a yeshiva 3 days a week and on Sunday after public school (long day)to learn Hebrew and scripture. But it was not my primary education. I graduated from Milford Mill High School in 1971 in Baltimore, Md. and received a certificate from a yeshiva for Hebrew studies culminating in my Bat Mitzvah.
You lie like a rug Geo.
LOL. Frannie, nowhere in your commentary to Carolyn did you qualify your assertion that you never attended a yeshivah. Here’s the statement I reacted to:
Do you see any qualifiers about “primary education”?
… and now you acknowledge:
Oh, btw… given your reluctance to engage of late with most of my comments directed to you, I wanted to acknowledge this trend with this tune…
We don’t talk anymore
What’s your education? It looks like you see yourself as some sort of historian. Do you know any serious historians? Have you ever had a conversation with a serious historian? Have you ever had a serious conversation with anyone with a decent standing in the academic community?
You sound like a functioning illiterate wanting to see photos and documents. There are photos of the ovens, they no longer exist because the German’s blew all of it up. If you were about to be hung for mass murder and war crimes wouldn’t you destroy as much evidence as possible?
You ask ignorant and stupid questions that you could easily research for yourself if you had any curiosity. I gave you the bill of sale for the ovens and you ask if the doc. is legit. The people listed on the letterhead were interrogated by the Germans. Parts of the ovens remained with the Topf signature on it. Would you need to sit in an oven your self for proof. There is a survey plan of the entire Auschwitz/ Birkenau complex. Where all the buildings are labeled. There are 5 crematorium separate buildings labeled as crematoriums. With massive chimneys. Do you think they were playing basketball in there?
There ar buildings full of archives and records on the Holocaust. The Germans were good note takers.
Here are some links that can help you out. If you have the mental capacity to sift thru documentation
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/evidence-documentation-holocaust
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/combating-holocaust-denial-evidence-of-the-holocaust-presented-at-nuremberg
https://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust
https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/document.htm
Frannie first asks:
She then hastens to add:
I guess the yeshiva Fran attended in her youth wasn’t big on Aristotelian logic.
Yes, I know all this. But what you leave out is that this only occurred AFTER THE WAR was over, the damage done, and he saw what the Peace looked like. This tempers my enthusiasm. We should be careful who we make heroes of, and keep it balanced. You seem to want to go all out in favor of certain persons, and all out against others. That can come back to bite.
New discoveries about DNA makes this perfectly understandable and wise. The latest research concludes that psychological traits are passed from parents to children, as well as physical traits. This is groundbreaking! It means defective mental health genes, genes and mutations for criminal, alchoholic, anti-social and etc. tendencies are inherited too! It turns out babies are not 100% innocent at birth, and neither are their parents “not responsible” for their behavioral problems. Nature way outweighs Nurture (which I’ve always believed!). I find this hugely exciting. Blueprint, How DNA makes us who we are by Robert Plomin, 2018.
First let’s separate the wheat from the chaff. You are the one with the most drama concerning the events that went on with challenging every dirty lying Jew as if your hair was on fire just repeating these eye witness. If you walk into any major city in the US, you will find hospital wings, major culture centers, museums and opera houses all donated and supported by the Jewish community of that city. Jews are refined, philanthropic and not prone to lying about inhumane living conditions as if they were raging hysterics. Most survivors are pretty austere and minimal, certainly the ones I grew up with. So drop all your pretense about those lying Jewish scum.
1.Do you believe this about the barracks built by Karl Bischoff ? This description appears over and over again. Do you find this accurate. I consider this inhumane housing not Canadian girl scout roughing.
2.Do you agree with this description of the food allotment at Auschwitz as told over and over again by many different men and women? Inedible food barely able to sustain a human lying down, never mind working. The average Auschwitz prisoner was starving and not receiving enough caloric count to live healthy. I came across maybe 100 times, all exactly the same description of the food. If you know someone that had a steak or a four star meal let me know. This also is beyond campfire life in the rural areas of Canada no?
We were billeted at Birkenau and went out to work early in the morning. Food was given us twice daily, one liter of carrot soup at noon and thirty dekagrams of bad bread in the evening. Working conditions were hard beyond imagination, so that most of us could not stand it. Weakened as we were from starvation and the inedible food the death-rate took on frightening proportions; in our working group of 200, from 30-35 died each day. Many were simply beaten to death by the work supervisors and the so-called “capos.”6 The daily shortage caused by deaths was made good from the groups staying in Birkenau.
3.As far as those lying stinking, filthy Jews, who could not hold a candle to the elegant men and women in charge of them, what do you think of the gentile Polish prisoners that served in the Polish resistance, escaped and wrote reports to alert the world to the goings on at Auschwitz? What do you think of this guy Captain Witold PileckiCertainly I hope you agree is not a satanic Jew.
How about the Auschwitz Protocols written by Jews and the Polish resistance who wrote another report Jerzy Tabeau (18 December 1918 in Zabłotów–11 May 2002), an imprisoned Polish medical student, was one of the first escapees from Auschwitz to give a detailed report to the outside world on the genocide occurring there. First reports in early 1942 had been made by the Polish officer Witold Pilecki. Tabeau’s report was known as that of the “Polish major” in the Auschwitz Protocols. After the war he became a noted cardiologist in Kraków.[1] with detailed maps that were smuggled out in a toothpaste tube.
‘The official Holocaust story is…:
1) there were… homicidal gas chambers in… the German concentration camps;
2) Germany did… have a program of genocide against the Jews; and
3) the standard estimate of 6 million Jews who died during World War II…’
Yes on 1 and 2, no on three. The principle groups that seem to be hung up on ‘six million’ these are holocaust deniers, and their persecutors. Thou shalt not deny the six million…but the two serious estimates I’m aware of from historians with pretensions to serious scholarship are 5.1 million and 5.4 million.
I’ll also point out it’s unusual for something to be either entirely true or entirely untrue. Proving that some aspects of the official story are exaggerations or fabrications is not the same thing as proving none of it’s true at all. I’m confident the Holocaust did essentially happen. Proving to me that the crematoria at Auschwitz couldn’t have burnt four thousand corpses a day won’t change that.
You make good points.
Patton was not perfect by any means but did have a more honest head on his shoulders than Eisenhower. The jews were not about to let Patton live as he was a “loose cannon” when it came to observable truth, not afraid to speak out, his popularity with the masses was a weapon against the jews. Germany would be a much different place if Patton were running the show at the time…just my opinion.
One only has to observe what the jews did to Charles Lindbergh…character assassination at its worst.
On to DNA, what you are stating does have merit and should be further studied. It is believed that a person’s characteristics, psychological traits and behaviors are inheritable through DNA, but…be careful what you wish for…
I tend to agree with you that nature supersedes nurture in most cases. However, it is possible for one to recognize and resist the inherited DNA “programming”, especially when it comes to negative psychological traits such as alcoholism. An example being: two outcomes can come out of children of alcoholic parents. A child observes his alcoholic parents and makes a decision, whether to drink to excess or abstain from alcohol entirely…both choices, one negative and one positive.
Do you think that memories and experiences from those that came immediately before us “imprint” DNA of descendants? My take on this is that events and memories from previous generations do not directly imprint or affect DNA of future generations. Unlike alcoholism or other behavioral traits which CAN be inherited through DNA, I am reluctant to believe that experiences from forebears themselves can alter the DNA of future generations.
It gets better…
In order to keep the “holocaust™ cash cow” alive, two jewish psychologists have come up with a new malady, only applicable to jews–“holocaust™ transference syndrome” in which only jewish descendants of “holocaust™ survivors” are to be considered “holocaust™ victims as well, eligible for “reparations”, memories being transferred from holocaust™ survivors to their children and grandchildren and all future descendants. This is being proposed to keep the “holocaust™” shekel spigot flowing and to perpetuate the “holocaust™”scam in perpetuity–not good.
As always, best regards,
Here is a full copy of the Protocols of Auschwitz. Also known as the Vrba–Wetzler report, with maps of the workings of the gas chambers.
https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English45.pdf
There is a German Auschwitz doctor named Paul Kramer that kept a detailed diary, and described his duties as the doctor overseeing the SS officers during the gassing of Jews. He gets pretty detailed. Is this testimony fake? Written under penalty of death. Sounds pretty real to me. Again an eyewitness that is not a filthy lying hysterical Jew. You do realize Caroline that it is impossible to discount all of these eyewitness accounts, especially from the escapees anxious to tell the world what was going on in Auschwitz. They were not under threat with testimony before a tribunal. Do you seriously doubt this guy is telling the truth?
Shout out to John Wear as well.
https://www-tc.pbs.org/auschwitz/learning/guides/reading2.3.pdf
The diary of paul Kramer
Franny baby, judging by your shrill caterwauling replies, it appears that my questions are getting to you. Good.
Any theory, hypothesis, proclamation, etc. etc. that cannot withstand at least modicum of questioning, is bunk.
Glad you are speaking of mental capacity; weird coming from someone who cannot follow my very simple calculations of the thought experiment I posted earlier.
You touted yourself as an expert or, at least knowledgeable regarding the holocaust.
So why do you get your panties in a knot when I ask question? Here are some more:
In any business letter containing hard numbers, as the ones from Topf & Soehne that you posted above, these are backed by engineering calculations or, notes from experiments used to establish a basis for the numbers given. This is especially true for new designs of equipment such as the 8 muffle furnaces. You should be aware that these were typically hand written notes, made by the engineer assigned to this task.
Do you know if these are available and, if so, where? Thanks.
Just an aside: For someone like you with such a giant Jewish brain, you should pay more attention to your diatribe:
On the one hand you assert that the Germans blew up and destroyed everything that might incriminate them.
Then you say that the German s were meticulous note takers and left truckloads, or boatloads, or mountains, of documentary evidence as proof.
According to you and your ilk, the Germans managed to disappear the bodies of 6 million of your tribe members, do you really think the could not have tossed this heap of documents into the same crematories to destroy these documents?
Anyway, I want to see the hand written notes from the Topf engineer.
You write: “You do realize Caroline that it is impossible to discount all of these eyewitness accounts, especially from the escapees anxious to tell the world what was going on in Auschwitz…Shout out to John Wear as well.”
My response: So can you explain why the prosecution at both the 1985 and 1988 Ernst Zündel trials could find no “Holocaust” survivors who could give credible testimony at these trials? Rudolf Vrba was so bad at the 1985 Zündel trial that even the prosecution’s attorney got angry at Vrba.
Hello Colin,
I think you’re wrong here and that this is just some idea you’ve gotten into your head. Most who accept the Denier label are pretty easy-going on the 6 mil number, in my experience. It’s the ‘journalists’ and propagandists who faithfully repeat ‘6 million’ bc that’s in their “rules” book they have to follow.
Using Holocaust Denial as a descriptor is very imprecise. Is a Holocaust Denier the same as a Revisionist in your eyes? Responsible revisionists (or deniers) of my caliber or higher will not argue over 5 or 6 million—I think four would be considered too low from the original number six. For me it would. Why not name the historians you have in mind – Raul Hilberg and who? Hillberg is getting a bit old, don’t you think? I mean, a lot has happened since his heyday. He remains the “respected pioneer” as he should. Good old Wikipedia has a page listing 200 Historians of the Holocaust – a lot of well-known ones–that might set you on your heels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Historians_of_the_Holocaust&pageuntil=Wyman%2C+David+S.David+Wyman#mw-pages
So if you want to say 5 million and “the holocaust happened” that’s okay with me.
No, it isn’t. It depends on the complexity of the “something.” A simple statement must be all true to be true, and even something like “the official Holocaust narrative.” if official, must be all true. On the other hand, if you say “Everything associated with the Holocaust” or even “Everything written by Holocaust historians,” that will surely not all be true and can therefore fit your criteria that the Holocaust can still be believable.
But … when the exaggerations, fabrications, errors in fact, etc. become too large a fraction of the whole, then I believe the whole is discredited. I think when it comes to Auschwitz in particular, and to the Narrative as a whole, we are already close to that point, if not already there. So this is where proving what is fact and what fantasy becomes the key. I’d say you are not qualified to be a judge of fact in this matter, so how can you be confident that “the Holocaust happened”? You can’t.
Where to go from here? You and I could make quite a bit of progress on this—maybe enough to change your confidence into doubt—but you won’t even engage in any back and forth with me. Someone else? Name the person and we’ll take a vote on it. I’ll suggest John Wear for starters. He’s available, here, and I’m sure he’d be willing to officiate.
What the hell are you talking about? You make completely uncorroborated statements from who knows where, and then get so angry when I don’t believe them or ignore them. Who asked for this conversation? Not me. I knew when I replied to that one about the toilet situation in Auschwitz I’d be sorry. But I wanted to relate my experiences; you have no experiences that you will share because all you do is make stuff up, or grab whatever is handy from the Internet.
Now you want to shove a bunch of fake documents and unrelated “reports” at me and expect me to comment on it. No thanks, I have no interest; been there, done that. If you want to know what I think of Witold Pilecki, you can read the caption here: https://carolynyeager.net/shameless-poles-use-falsified-history-demand-more-money-hard-working-germans. Or how about this from cy.net 2015:
Make the most of it.
Try to have a bit more pride in who you are.
Is the anti-Semitic content on this site any good for the world, or does it just make you feel good in a sick sort of way?
How does it compare to your more serious work as a scientist and business man?
Some of your writings are interesting, but the anti-Semitic content is pretty repulsive. And I question the character of anyone who disagrees.
I do not see Vrba’s name on the prosecution’s list. I am reading the “Did Six Million Really die? “Report of the Evidence in the Canadian “False News” trial of Ernst Zundel-1998. Edit by Barbara Kulaska. Wow what a read. I am on page 159, not even thru with the Hilberg testimony. To me it does not matter how bad Vrba testified at the trial. Trials are weird, and they take on a life of their own, and create odd results. Especially this one. Vbra’s report and drawings were contemporaneously with the events, not created after the facts. His information was reportage. That is a really big difference.
What do you think of Captain Witold Pilecki, who reported extensively on the mass murder going on in Auschwitz and similar to Vrba was trying to get the information to the allies? Also in my post to Caroline I wrote about Dr. Peter Kramer who kept a diary and reported extensively when he aided and witnessed the gassing of the Jews. These witnesses are not Jewish, and Pilecki was a prisoner living in Auschwitz.
With regard to the Zundel trial, it seems that the Holocaust people were not prepared and did not think they were coming there to have to defend the authenticity of the Holocaust. The trial was not about Zundel it was a trial about the facts of the murder of the Jews. Raul Hilberg felt it was a trap, he did not bring any documents, and refused to testify in the second trial. No one was prepared for the expert Holocaust historian Christie who was Zundel’s defense attorney. It is difficult to defend the murder of the Jews in the camps, because it was complicated and on a grand scale with many moving parts. You have to look at it from an arial view perspective. The specific facts can be challenged but the overwhelming of evidence is still there. Why were there 5 crematoriums, where more were added as time went by and there were more shipments of Jews. Typhus does not quite satisfy the need for so many ovens, and all of the anxiety over speed and quantity that Topf went thru with the Germans. Despite your feelings that the Sonderkamandos testimonials are bogus it does not change the fact that they were many of them there working in a crematorium. Despite what you think of Tauber, he had a job for years loading bodies in the ovens, living separate from the rest of the camp. Just like you try to disqualify the evidence for the murder of the Jews. There is a lot of evidence to support it. Like WTF were they doing in those crematoriums where Jews went in and never came out.
Your questions are not getting to me. It is your denseness and laziness. Why don’t you put your big boy pants on and find some of this archival information out for yourself. It is easy to find.
I have given you this information no fewer then 3 times. I did not post the documents themselves but I quoted briefs of what they were about. Follow this link: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/10/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
Under this heading. click on Part 1: Indoor cremation. There is a list of documents. They are not hand written notes. It is sort of funny that you think German engineers would use hand written notes. They use stop watches and typed memos.
Rebuttal of Mattogno on Auschwitz, Part 1: Indoor Cremation
Rebuttal of Mattogno on Auschwitz:
Part 1: Indoor Cremation
This is perfectly logical. The Germans destroyed the physical evidence but they saved most of their logs. Logs of transports, with train numbers, passengers, times and destinations.They kept logs of the amount of fuel used, transport times and amounts. Notes about repairing the ovens. They also kept logs of all the supplies needed, even minutia in and out of the camp. The German high command kept logs of troop movements, equipment. fuel, storage location and transpiration deliveries down to the seconds.
All of this documentation is stored in an archival building which you can access on line. JUST LOOK FOR IT. you will find it.
I do not know whether you are spoofing me or what. But you are pissing me off. Please find another source for your secretarial and research work.
Here’s the “Witold Pilecki Report”in English if anyone wants to read it. It’s very boring. I wonder if Fran has ever read it? Probably not. https://archive.org/details/WITOLDREPORT/mode/2up
You write: “I do not see Vrba’s name on the prosecution’s list. I am reading the “Did Six Million Really die? “Report of the Evidence in the Canadian “False News” trial of Ernst Zundel-1988. Edit by Barbara Kulaska.”
My response: Rudolph Vrba testified in the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial. He and the other prosecution witnesses did so poorly that none of them were asked to testify in the 1988 Zündel trial.
You write: “To me it does not matter how bad Vrba testified at the trial. Trials are weird, and they take on a life of their own, and create odd results.”
My response: It should matter to you. Vrba was exposed as a fraud in the 1985 Zündel trial.
You write: “With regard to the Zundel trial, it seems that the Holocaust people were not prepared and did not think they were coming there to have to defend the authenticity of the Holocaust.”
My response: The Holocaust people were prepared, and they knew they were coming there to defend the authenticity of the Holocaust. Raul Hilberg and the prosecution witnesses were not able to defend the authenticity of the Holocaust because the official Holocaust story is fraudulent and undefensible.
You write: “Raul Hilberg felt it was a trap, he did not bring any documents, and refused to testify in the second trial.”
My response: Hilberg refused to testify in the 1988 Zündel trial because he had done so poorly in the first Zündel trial.
You write: No one was prepared for the expert Holocaust historian Christie who was Zundel’s defense attorney.
My response: Douglas Christie was a well-qualified defense attorney, but he was not an expert on the so-called Holocaust. Christie got most of his information from Dr. Robert Faurisson, as well as from some other Holocaust revisionists at the trial.
You write: “Why were there 5 crematoriums, where more were added as time went by and there were more shipments of Jews. Typhus does not quite satisfy the need for so many ovens, and all of the anxiety over speed and quantity that Topf went thru with the Germans.”
My response: As previously discussed, there was a typhus epidemic at Auschwitz-Birkenau. This resulted in about 135,000 deaths at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and is why so many crematoriums were needed.
I read it and quoted from it in a post. Pilecki wrote about daily life, food rations, conditions of the camp, work, clothing etc. boring stuff the same boring stuff repeated over and over again by other witnesses. Boring stuff that challenges your lies that the Jews were not cold, hungry or overworked. That the conditions in Auschwitz were similar to the way you grew up in rural Canada, and similar to the way most Europeans lived.
No Caroline. The conditions were inhumane. People were starving, dirty, without proper clothing and sanitary needs, both personally and collectively. Those are the facts. Undisputed boring facts.
The links in your posts (the first does not work) do not show anything but a bunch of quotes from CODOH people ranting about about what a liar Pelecki is, with no facts to back it up. Zero. Of course you deniers can say anything you want, and it is fine. He was discredited by H deniers and called a liar, just like every other witness. Because that is what deniers do. The first link you posted does not work. You need to do a better job when discussing conditions at Auschwitz saying it was like camping out in Canada. Insulting. Really.
“…But you are pissing me off…”.
That’s the best thing you wrote in this thread.
You touted yourself as the expert or whatever on these issues, thus leading us to conclude that you have all this information at your fingertips.
“…It is sort of funny that you think German engineers would use hand written notes. They use stop watches and typed memos…”
What do you know about engineering??? Judging by your commentary, absolutely nothing.
No question about a stop watch, the on-site notes were written by hand. They may have been transcribed for distribution; but I want to see the hand written notes. They must be somewhere in your “mountain” of documents.
“…This is perfectly logical…”. To you perhaps. For the skeptic on these matters, hardly.
Franny, you have proved very effectively that the holocaust is nothing but a fairy tale from the sick and depraved minds of your tribe. And you managed to convince a sufficiently large part of the population to believe your nonsense. Politicians have bought into this rubbish for their own purposes, that is blackmail of the German people, and now all western countries.
But, as I have illustrated herein, when examined at the nitty-gritty level of science, engineering, and logistics, your sick mind games fail completely. And I have hardly scratched the surface with my questions.
I’ll make this as short as I can.
You refuse to use my correct name even though it’s on every Carolyn Yeager comment you reply to. Your obtuseness permeates everything you say.
It was not meant to. It’s from 2013, just something I could throw at you and let you make what you could of it. It does include sufficient comment from me that you could, as I said, “Make the most of it.” As usual, you can’t give a rational response … because you don’t get what you want. You will never get what you want from me, just as I won’t from you. We’re even on that. Ciao.
Fabulous paragraph that sums it up as “the bottom line”. I concur completely.
I made it too short! Will add two more.
Previously it was “wet, cold and hungry”; now you rewrite it as “cold, hungry or overworked.” There’s a big difference between “and” and “or.” Herein lies your cunning Jewish nature (even tho you’re obtuse), because I, yes I, replied to the first one in this way: “They may have been any of those things at various times at A. but not all at the same time”. In response, you “reinvent history” by “quoting” yourself with different words, ie cold, hungry or overworked .’Wet’ is gone. You may tell yourself that it’s a small thing that no one will notice, but it’s not small and is noticed by sharp minds.
To be accurate, my family and I were not “camping out” in Canada but visiting our close relatives who lived on an, in those days, isolated farm. I told of “camping out” in the Ozarks, Missouri USA in an entirely different comment. But this is how your mind works, which is not news to people commenting here: Everything that gets through to you becomes part of the jumble that is the contents of your mind/memory, and then you go in there and select whatever strikes you out of the jumble that you can use to write your comments. This is why, apart from the laughs the guys get from it, your opinions are worthless.
Interesting comparison made by Gordon Chang, picked up today by Fox News. https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-currency-still-depicting-mao-zedong-indicates-leftist-murderers-get-pass-history
I don’t concur with most of what Chang is saying about history, but I had not noticed that Mao’s image is still on all Chinese currency. Well, it IS a one-party Communist state but for some reason we don’t connect today’s China with Mao Tse-tung (or Zedong).
Vbra was not exposed as a fraud. He was told where the ovens and gas chambers were, rather than seeing it for himself. How could he possibly be a fraud? He in 1942 gave testimony contemporaneous to the events as they were happening. How could he have possibly know a conspiracy would be perpetrated with those exact facts of gassing and cremating the Jews? Was he a plant for the future?
You have not commented on Witold Pilecki Report, or Dr. Peter Kremers diary that I posted in comment #693. I believe to Carolyn.
Lets take it from the top:
-Jews arrived at Auschwitz on trains from various parts of Europe. These trains and people are marked in German log books.
-There was a selection process. The camp could not fit all of the Jews arriving. Some are selected for work and were signed into the camps. Others went to the Crematorium. The old, the sick and small children. They were never seen again. Over 600 sonderkommandos worked non stop to cremate and dispose of the bodies.
This process was repeated thousands of times by Jews, Germans soldiers and workers, and anyone else that eye witnessed the process.
This article is from the Harvard Crimson dated 10/12/1991. Nothing much has changed in 31 yeas. Nothing. The same old stuff sloshed around over and over, and over again. Here on this thread another article on Anne Frank’s fake diaries, by a fake author!!! There is no Ikuo Suzuki. He is a fraud a stand in for one of the others who have been washed up. John Wear is just recycling the entire H denial script from 31 years ago!! How can he stand it. I would die of boredom.
Who supports Holocaust denial? A degenerate group of white supremacist who if Carolyn ever met in person (woman to woman) would run in the opposite direction.
Cia bella, I am signing off. I have a busy week ahead.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1991/12/10/no-obligation-to-publish-lies-pbtbhere/
You write: “Vbra was not exposed as a fraud.”
My response: Rudolf Vrba (his real name is Walter Rosenberg) was one of the contributors to the War Refugee Board. His contribution to this report became one of the cornerstones of the entire gassing of the Jews thesis. Vrba’s book, I Cannot Forgive, also became one of the important eyewitness accounts to the so-called Holocaust.
At Ernst Zündel’s 1985 trial, Vrba admitted that his book I Cannot Forgive was “an artistic picture…not a doucment for the court.” Vrba admitted that he had never actually witnessed anybody being gassed to death, but had heard rumors. He further admitted that his written and pictorial descriptions of Auschwitz crematory were a result of guessing, based on “what I heard it might look like.” Yet in the foreword of his book I Cannot Forgive, it is stated that Vrba compiled his book with a “fanatical respect for accuracy.”
Vrba testified that 150,000 French Jews were gassed at Auschwitz. But Douglas Christie produced documentation to show that the entire number of Jews deported from France was only 75,721. And, as previously stated, Vrba had never actually witnessed anyone being gassed to death, so how could he have known 150,000 French Jews were gassed at Auschwitz?
Vrba also testified that he had seen an SS man pour poison gas through a roof hole in an upper-level gas chamber and then climb down. Christie, however, forced Vrba to admit that the “chamber” in question was not a homicidal gas chamber, but a mortuary and that it was not up high enough that someone had to climb down from it, because it was in fact located partially underground. Vrba said his error was “in good faith.”
Vrba turned out to be a big fraud at Zündel’s 1985 trial. This is why Zonists use every conceivable legal, economic, political and defamatory ploy they can to stop the questioning of the “Holocaust.”
You write: “You have not commented on Witold Pilecki Report, or Dr. Peter Kremers diary that I posted in comment #693. I believe to Carolyn.”
My response: The eyewitness accounts to the so-called Holocaust have proven to be consistently unreliable. I have documented this in the following articles:
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6243 Eyewitnesses to the Treblinka “Gas Chambers”.
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7237 Eyewitness Testimony to the Genocide of European Jewry.
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562 “Sonderkommando Eyewitness” Testimony to the Holocaust.
There are also numerous Jewish survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau who could not have survived if it was an extermination camp. I have documented this in my article at https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482. Thus, I don’t feel the need to analyze and comment on the testimony of every last witness to the so-called Holocaust.
According the rules of Talmudic pilpul, I’m afraid Frannie is technically correct because Vrba wasn’t just a fraud, he was a BIG fraud.
Thanks for the refresher, John. I’ll take a look at your eyewitness articles – I always enjoy reading those, lol.
Karl,
Thank you for this review. Not all truth advoactes have figured out the same psyops yet but here’s some of my research since 2007:
1913 -The Biggest Banking Scam of All Time Explained In 7 Minutes
How the Federal Reserve is neither “Federal” nor a “Reserve” – it’s a scam perpetrated on the American People by the Banking Elite.
https://youtu.be/Ne91qNFws9s
Over 100 Years Ago the US Government Lied Us into World War I
https://www.globalresearch.ca/over-100-years-ago-us-government-lied-world-war-i/5700692
The Sinking of The Lusitania, America’s Entry into World War I, A Bonanza for Wall Street
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sinking-the-lusitania-americas-entry-into-world-war-i-a-bonanza-for-wall-street/5381121
Exposing the “Nazi” Epithet – Who started it, why, how, and who benefits
https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-who-started-it-why-how-and-who-benefits/
Exposing the ‘Nazi’ Epithet Part 2 – Anti-Hitlerism: The Rise of Pure BS and Hatred
https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/exposing-the-nazi-epithet-part-2-anti-hitlerism-the-rise-of-pure-bs-and-hatred/
Old Newspapers Read Six Million Jews in 1915-1938 Before Hitler Was in Power (22:09)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/a8S4m6n6AQ8o/
Share WW I & II Truth for Peace
Click “MORE” below each video to see the additional info.
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/NBu3vOs8kXFY/
Note: If this bitchute channel is restricted to you like it is to some because of their location, use some VPN like https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ to access the internet where you can change your location to one that works and you can view the channel. I have other channels so it’s not like I focus on this only.
November 22, 1963 – JFK assassination psyop scam happens. Later I’ve seen in some research that both JFK and RFK tried to get the Israel lobby to register as foreign agents, and that JFK tried to prevent Israel from getting nuclear weapons.
August 1964 -The Gulf of Tonkin Lie (2:21)
https://youtu.be/l8_tv7KTJi0
April 1967 – The CIA (whoever that really is altogether) intentionally created negative connotations about the term “conspiracy theory” and turned the label into a tool of political propaganda to disqualify those who questioned the official version of JFK’s assassination and doubted it was done like the official story says.
June 8, 1967 – USS Liberty attempted false flag psyop scam happens, fails and is then blown off as an accident right in all the survivors’ faces to this day by all our representatives, except Cynthia McKinney as far as I know. Even though many others have spoken out about it for years now.
September 11, 2001 – The 9/11 and weaponized anthrax scam starting seven days after happens. The lies and cover up about it all begins on day 1 with, among other things, Ehud Barack announcing on the BBC that it looks like OBL was behind 9/11, and we now need to embark on a “war on terrorism.” Two of our Senators who were slowing down passage of so-called “Patriot Act” were sent weaponized anthrax in the weeks right after 9/11. Five people killed with anthrax. US and UK response to 9/11 is irrational from the beginning. Anthrax attacks later were admitted to being an inside job of some kind. No real investigation happened to this day.
2003 – The Iraq having WMD’s psyop scam happens. Iraq war starts. Even though it was admitted in 2001 that our Congress was attacked with weaponized anthrax days after 9/11 while leaving out the part about how that was an attack on us with an actual WMD.
Sir! No Sir! (2005) released- The Suppressed Story of the GI Movement to End the War in Vietnam (49:27)
https://archive.org/details/sir_no_sir
2007 – My research on 9/11 truth and corruption begins when Congressman Ron Paul teaches many of us the basics about the “Federal” Reserve and these “neocon” scammers in both our major parties, wars of aggression, and our U.S. Constitution.
Epstein Victim Maria Farmer Speaks With Whitney Webb, Full Phone Call Part 1 (1:50:31)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MGtDj8drWvE/
Epstein Victim Maria Farmer Speaks With Whitney Webb, Full Phone Call Part 2 (1:20:44)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kItJSpQeyCg/
Whitney Webb Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/whitneywebb
Michael’s Newsletter
https://michaelatkinson.substack.com/
All this Covid psyop scam bs and data manipulation begins. The official Covid story says:
Dec. 31, 2019: WHO says mysterious pneumonia sickening dozens in China
March 13, 2020: Trump declares national emergency
Masks that have never protected against a respiratory virus are then told to be worn. “Covid vaccines” promoted. Lockdowns promoted. Variants supposedly happening. Fear promoted daily in US and BBC legacy mainstream media. Eventually Monkeypox, etc.
The WEF comes out publicly somewhere around this time with “The Great Reset”.
This documentary below obviously goes with Sir No Sir! Notice that one of the main culprits in this documentary, LBJ, is the guy that “replaced” JFK.
August 2020.- Sacrificing Liberty: a detailed 4 DVD USS Liberty truth docuseries released.
https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/
Foul Play With Death Certificates: Hospitals Made Record Profits (3:32)
Dr. Henry Ealy: “In Santa Clara County, California, and in Alameda County, California, they did a partial audit, and it lowered their [COVID] death certificates by 22% and 25%. Why? Because hospitals were counting everything they could as COVID… When [they] put COVID down, [they] get more money for it.”
https://rumble.com/v11z80y-foul-play-with-death-certificates-hospitals-made-record-profits.html
And before I learned about some of these psyop scams on us and others for so long now I’ve liked some US music and some US films just as much as anyone. But researching further about Alanis Morrisette exposing that she went through sexual abuse, exploitation, and financial undermining when she was young in the music industry and that it’s full of pedophiles, I learned that it’s hard to find this on a website that doesn’t push the Republican Democrat illusion. Anyone aware of psyop scams today may already have learned that blackmail is being discovered to be a hidden major factor in politics. I’ve rethought some things I’ve seen from Hollywood.
“Almost every woman in the music industry has been assaulted, harassed, raped,” she told the Sunday Times Magazine. “It’s ubiquitous — more in music, even, than film. It’s just so normalized.”
https://www.iheartradio.ca/news/alanis-morissette-sexual-misconduct-ubiquitous-in-music-biz-1.12270284
I discovered this too:
Prof. Tony Martin:
“I discovered that according to the 1830 census, even though Jews were a small proportion of the population in North America, nevertheless they were inordinately represented among the slave owners. Yes, they were a small portion of the population overall, but on a percentage basis that were significant. Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent. So according to an analysis of the 1830 census by Jewish historians, Jews were more than twice as likely, on a percentage basis, to own slaves.”
“I also discovered that Jews, despite their involvement in the slave trade, were very few and far between in the abolitionist movement. They were much, much less likely than other groups to be involved in this movement. So that in a nutshell, then, is the set of facts that caused me to become involved in this interesting controversy. And what I want to do, then, is to dwell not on the facts themselves, but on what I perceive to be the main tactics that were used, because I found myself, like I said, on the front line of this situation, and I became very fascinated, looking at their tactics. And the more I began to read around this question, the more I saw patterns emerging.”
Read the entire speech:
Tactics of Organized Jewry in Suppressing Free Speech
By Prof. Tony Martin
http://www.ihr.org/other/TonyMartin2002.html
Part II – Here are some things I learned over the years about at least some of these high-profile “truth advocates” that supposedly inform us about spin, lies and omissions of important truths, while they play dumb about 9/11 being scam on us and others.
I find it insulting that Edward Snowden, supposedly wanted by the CIA, starred in a US legacy mainstream media film to tell us that we are all being recorded online because of 9/11, while pretending that he’s not intelligent enough to understand some buildings being blown up when it’s on lots and lots of videos that were put together later with many experts pointing this out.
Snowden has recently even come out against “conspiracies” as if he doesn’t have a clue. As you can see here “Why do conspiracy theories flourish? Because the truth is too hard to handle”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/01/edward-snowdon-conspiracy-theories-belief-powerlessness
he goes on and on seemingly telling you all this “wisdom” and while he does it he also says 9/11 truth is a false conspiracy and that the official story is true. Huge red flag just like Julian Assange saying the same thing.
If you’ll notice he also implies that speaking out against the major banking institutions and the Federal Reserve is “an inherently antidemocratic force.”
Notice he also gives a very dishonest version of what a conspiracy is. A conspiracy is two or more people planning to break the law. I remember seeing fairly regular over the years news reports on my local news of people being charged with conspiracy to do this, or conspiracy to do that. But here Snowden suggests to people who may not have thought about these psyop word games much yet that:
“I’ll begin by offering a fundamental proposition: namely, that to believe in any conspiracy, whether true or false, is to believe in a system or sector run not by popular consent but by an elite, acting in its own self-interest.”
This Noam Chomsky guy is another high profile “truth advocate” like Julian Assange, David Icke, Edward Snowden, Amy Goodman, Joe Rogan, Scott Ritter, Max flat Earth Igan and many more who pretend they’re not intelligent enough to understand some buildings being blown up with some kind of explosives when it’s on lots and lots of videos that were later put together and shared all over the world, as they “inform” us about spin, lies and omissions of important truths.
Barrie Zwicker on Noam Chomsky:
“A study of Chomsky’s stands on particularly dreadful actions such as JFK’s assassination, 9/11, and with regard to the roles of the CIA and FBI, shows Chomsky to be a de facto defender of the status quo’s most egregious outrages and their covert agency engines. He conducts his de facto defence of the Empire he appears to oppose through applying the very propaganda methods against which he has warned, including use of the derogatory phrase “conspiracy theorist,” which in one context he has characterized as “something people say when they don’t want you to think about what’s really going on.”
“His recommendation that people practice “intellectual self-defence” is well taken. But how many could dream the person warning you is one of the most perilous against whom you’ll need to defend yourself? That he is the fire marshal who wires your house to burn down, the lifeguard who drowns you, the doctor with the disarming bedside manner who administers a fatal injection? If Noam Chomsky did not exist, the diaboligarchy would have to invent him. To the New World Order he is worth 50 armoured division.” -Barrie Zwicker, Towers of Deception
Towers of Deception [electronic resource] : the media cover-up of 9/11
By Barrie Zwicker
https://archive.org/details/towersofdeceptio00barr/mode/2up
Also lot of these “truth advocate” people have seemed to purposefully try to keep people in the LIHOP theory about the 9/11 scam (let it happen on purpose) when 9/11 was clearly a MIHOP psyop scam (make it happen on purpose) scam.
Julian Assange called the 9/11 scam a false conspiracy in 2010 which it obviously is not and can easily be proven as you know. Think about this: not only does he say what many of us have been pointing out for years that he says he is constantly annoyed by people saying 9/11 was an inside scam job and degraded us 9/11 truth supporters, but he actually takes focus OFF of (by not even acknowledging) lots of war crimes, by being a journalist that the western corporate mainstream media treats so badly (supposedly), for pointing out some war crimes, but not the rest? This guy was tortured some we are told, then later married to someone?
This seems planned to scare other journalists who may want to tell the truth about lots of things that aren’t that hard at all to see. And at the same time it gives any people who don’t know about these slight of hand speech tactics yet any time he’s on TV the impression that he is telling some “brave truths”. I’m sure he does tell some truth too, just like Alex Jones does but not too much. I just ask people to consider these things. I’ve never shared anything about him unless it’s this information. He also seems to try to keep people in the fake Republican Democrat charade which seems to me has been corrupted false choices since they were both first started.
Julian Assange:
“Wanted by the CIA” (like Edward Snowden, yeah right)
“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” -Julian Assange
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html
I haven’t researched all this and but:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110207194350/https://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/12/assanges-wikileaks-is-fake.html
Joe Rogan on the obvious 9/11 scam (2:31)
“Maybe it’s just a crappy design that when it catches fire, it just collapses like that.” – Joe Rogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df-o5TKv0C0
9/11 Truth Confronts Amy Goodman & Democracy Now! ~ Cal Poly San Luis Obispo 20Oct12 (9:57)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsLK5X1Vq7w
About Henry Kissinger, the guy who I think I figured out would get on TV during the Vietnam war, look into the camera with a straight face, and tell the American people they were fighting communism in Vietnam.
“It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.” – Henry Kissinger
“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Miloševic.” -Anthony Bourdain in his 2001 book A Cook’s Tour.
“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” – Henry Kissinger
President Trump Meets with Dr. Henry Kissinger (5:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9AC17Bshrc
Journalist Abby Martin speaks about the war criminal Henry Kissinger on her televised show: Breaking The Set (5:44)
https://archive.org/details/henry-kissinger-quote-military-men-are-just-dumb-stupid-animals-to-be-used-as-pa
Henry Kissinger—9/11 Suspect (3:23)
https://youtu.be/uRPiKKjMikI
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” – Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Joe Biden did what? Repeated a psyop script written for a politician from England something about his ancestors didn’t have a platform to stand on? And plagiarized Bobby Kennedy? And ignored scientific proof that 9/11 was a scam as the Vice President? And he’s the President now from an electronic voting machine election that is rigged on both sides on purpose like professional wrestling?
Biden Drops Out of 1988 Race for Lying & Plagiarism (4:50)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Hx4ThfVsUGk5/
Trust the science they say?
Vice President Biden is confronted with evidence of criminal demolitions on 9/11/01 (5:22)
May 18, 2009
Jeremy Rothe-Kushel of WeAreChange Los Angeles handed a peer-reviewed scientific paper of the explosive destruction of the World Trade Center to Vice President Biden. Biden plays dumb hands it back and walks off. This shows you how much these people care about us while they play psyops on whoever listens to them. Remember this when you see people promoting this fake Republican Democrat show.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LC9f32X3Ff5w/
“Truth advocate” Max Igan winds people up with generalities about corruption then one day says: We are living under a dome and that the Earth is flat.
https://www.ecosia.org/search?method=index&q=Max%20Igan%20flat%20Earth
“Truth advocate” David Icke winds people up with generalities about corruption and has also said: He is the son of god.
https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=David%20Icke%20son%20of%20god
Again “truth advocate” David Icke winds people up about generalities about corruption and has also said: Shape-shifting lizard people rule the Earth.
https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=david%20icke%20shape%20shifting%20lizards
Part III – Democracy?
A 2003 article in Ha’aretz, one of Israel’s main newspapers, reported bluntly:
“The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.”
It gave what it termed “a partial list” – US government officials Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams, journalists William Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer” – describing them as “mutual friends who cultivate one another.”
The article included an interview with New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, who was quoted as saying:
“It’s the war the neoconservatives wanted. It’s the war the neoconservatives marketed. Those people had an idea to sell when September 11 came, and they sold it. Oh boy, did they sell it. So this is not a war that the masses demanded. This is a war of an elite.”
Read the entire article:
https://israelpalestinenews.org/how-pro-israel-neocons-pushed-for-war-in-iraq/
Jon Stewart and 9/11 – Is it all a show?
https://www.bollyn.com/jon-stewart/
Cynthia McKinney US Lawmakers Forced to Sign Pledge to Support Israel (9:51)
https://youtu.be/AC8pJvY8Wdo
The Lobby USA – Abridged – Censored Documentary Exposing The Israel Lobby In The U.S. (1:07:35)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rTg5aTCDJF0S/
Hacking Democracy [HBO Documentary] (2006) (1:21:58)
The film the voting machine corporations don’t want you to see. HACKING DEMOCRACY follows investigator/grandmother, Bev Harris, and her citizen-activists as they set out to uncover how America counts its votes. Proving the votes can be stolen without a trace culminates in a duel between the Diebold corporation’s voting machines and a computer hacker – with America’s democracy at stake.
https://rumble.com/vbgv4n-hacking-democracy-documentary-2006.html
Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs – NumbersUSA.com
https://youtu.be/LPjzfGChGlE
Note: Numbers USA is an organization for legal, sensible immigration who asks people to sign up with them and then lobby these same fake representatives we’ve largely had since 1913? in our Democracy that we don’t even really have for several reasons which makes it the illusion of a Democracy? which is not even the form of government we were given by our Founders? some of the main ones who were actually Deists? which I’d never even heard of until a few years ago? I wonder why we’ve never heard of any of this in school.
And after examining the points above, I also eventually learned about the reality of “Democracy”.
THE HYPOCRISY OF DEMOCRACY
https://freedom-school.com/citizenship/the-hypocrisy-of-democracy.html
Part IV – Freedom of Religion, Freedom of rational speech, Freedom from any kind of binding psyop speech on us and others (calling us truth advocates terrorists, racists, nazis or whatever when that’s nothing but a psyop scam from the get go. The type of psyop speech and intentional confusion that happens when scammers have no logical argument) etc.
A. It should’ve always been clear to all Americans that it’s always been illegal to support Jewish and/or Israeli supremacism, psyops and terrorism on us and others. https://israelpalestinenews.org/ Then there’s Bnai Brith, the Mossad, Chabad, etc. According to Christopher Bollyn the guy who told George Bush what to say on 9/11 is in Chabad.
“Chabad is reportedly a criminal organization with ties to Mossad.” -Christopher Bollyn
https://www.bollyn.com/ari-fleischer-and-911-israels-point-man-in-the-white-house/
Also from the great Jazz musician and truth advocate Gilad Atzmon: “The ADL says of me that I am an “outspoken promoter of classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.” This is an absurd lie as I have repeatedly argued that there are no Jewish conspiracies since it is all done in the open: from Epstein’s Lolita Express, to Israeli war crimes, to advocacy of Zioncon global conflicts and plans for an ‘New American Century.’ The UK chief rabbi’s call for Brits to turn their backs on their opposition party is not exactly a conspiratorial clandestine move, it is actually mainstream news in Britain this morning. There are no Jewish conspiracies, what happens takes place in front of our eyes but we cannot discuss it because Jewish power, as I define it, is the power to suppress criticism of Jewish power.”
https://gilad.online/writings/2019/11/26/where-comedy-ends-and-hasbara-begins
Bonus:
B. With respect, one of the first things I learned in my research years ago is that there are different kinds of Jews, just like there are different kinds of Christians, different kinds of Muslims, and all these others who expect the rest of us to believe, that they believe, in a man-made religion.
This is most closely to how I’ve naturally felt all my life anyway before I discovered Deism, and I’d think there are many others like me. We all know there are a good bit of generally good people among us who don’t get into man-made religion at all. Human beings not being born with man-made religion already in our brains ought to tell us all something IMO. Man-made religion is just that. It’s all hearsay.
LibriVox audiobook recording of The Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine.
Read by JoeD. (click the arrow on the right side, if showing, to go to the website)
https://archive.org/details/ageofreason_1302_librivox/ageofreason2_01_paine.mp3
Deism for a humble, natural state.
https://slife.org/deism/
Obviously this is not all the psyop scams on us and others and I don’t know it all, but this research makes sense to me. Feel free to correct any of this for me and/or share this information with whomever you want.
Best regards,
Michael
Yes Vrba the courtroom poet posing as a witness to what he imagined.
The Vrba–Wetzler report is the very definition of a forgery. If an original ever existed then it was destroyed by the Jewish group who ‘redrew’ it and changed the language. That’s what they claim. It’s never mentioned but Vrba and Wetzlar were controlled by a Hungarian Jew. A lawyer who obtained US citizenship in 1940. He became an OSS officer and ran Vrba and Wetzler behind Axis lines following their ‘escape.’ He gave an interview in the 1990’s but couldn’t recall their names and said he’d have to look them up. He later served as a US attorney at Nuremberg from where he was eventually expelled by Thomas Dodd due to his activities which included toing and froing between Nuremberg and Budapest without permission.
There is much to say about this man and what he got up to at Nuremberg and even before the war. But this isn’t the place to squander what Irving calls a “scoop”
Where are you buying this propaganda from–Storm Front?
Hitler, the supposed economist–Lol
All money issued into circulation first had to be monetized against the labor and future production being redeemed by the fulfilment of the person who went into the bank, signed a promissory obligation to repay principal+interest which sustained the so-called bank loan and money creation. Hitler was not an economist! He was a house painter.
In 1934 after making himself tax exempt on his 1.2 million annual income, he was fined by the German tax office 400.000RM then he forced his tax file to be closed, thus exempt throughout 1934-1945.
What else did Hitler do in 1934? He stopped the Reich budgets from being published so that all throughout 1934-1945 the German people had no knowledge of the fiscal policies which were now hidden–house painter Hitler did this to hide his armament spending. see, Gotz Aly, Hitler’s Beneifactors
The Reichbank remained unchanged under Hitler, base rate was 4%. Hitler had no interest in monetary reform, Hitler had ignored his mentor Feder and sided with Schacht. To quote.
“National Socialist agitators led by Gottfried Feder had carried on a vicious campaign against private banking and against our entire currency system. Nationalisation of banks, abolition of bondage to interest payments, and introduction of state Giro ‘Feder’ money, these were the high-sounding phrases of a pressure group which aimed at the overthrow of our money and banking system.
To keep this nonsense in check … I succeeded in dissuading Hitler from putting into practice the most foolish and dangerous of the ideas on banking and currency harboured by his party colleagues.” The Magic of Money, p. 49
Hitler also sold off Germany’s prior 1933 gold reserves, big spender.
“When he [Hitler] took office, the Reichbank had reserves totaling 937 million ReichMarks; four years later, that figure was down to only 72 million ReichMarks. Massive government borrowing financed the rest of the government-driven economy. As Roberts put it, “The Nazi state is being financed by short-term [90 day] loans–up to 15 billion Reichmarks by the end of 1936….In short, Germany is going round and round. She can get nowhere until she returns to normal economic conditions, but she is afraid to try and get back to those, because she fears economic collapse and social upheaval if she does so.”
https://reason.com/1999/08/01/nazi-economics/
Jacob H. Schiff was not in New York at the same time Trotsky had been in his 10 week stay in early 1917. see, Trotsky in New York. 1917 pp 319-321
Interesting link👌
Apart from a few very basic principles, economics are a matter of opinion.
Evidence: The “best and brightest” in charge of the central banks in the USA, Britain, Europe, caused the current bout of inflation, and they have no idea on how to combat this, except with high interest rates. That is like killing a fly with a shotgun.
Hmmm you say, perhaps the best and brightest are not in charge of those banks, but only connected flunkeys that can be manipulated? Perhaps the current inflation crisis was manufactured deliberately? Who profits???
Fact is, an economy is quite easily managed: Simply keep the money creation in balance with the value of the goods and services produced. Period.
And that is exactly what the NSDAP government in Germany did.
They also began government to government international trade, which really pissed off the international bankers as voiced by Churchill in his speeches.
Who is “they?” It’s my understanding that the V-W report is simply lies, but based on US Intelligence knowledge, and yes, under the direction of this Hungarian Jew (I can provide the name but not at this moment as I’m short of time). Since the definition of a forgery is: a document that has been copied or remade to look like the original — then this is not a forgery, let alone “the very definition of a forgery.” In your view, what am I missing here?
Of course, it is likely it was never written by Rosenberg or Wetzler at all, but their names were just put on it. That’s explains “Vrba’s” ignorance about it.
Someone like you is nothing but an idiot, a pure troll, very much in the same category as Fran Taubman. EVERYONE KNOWS that AH was never a house painter and that that is a lie, among countless lies dreamed up about this man by Jews and Communists, and just members of the Social Democrat party in Germany (pretty much the equivalent with a few exceptions). These are the groups you represent and you are still lying, lying, lying. That’s all that needs to be said about you and your presence in this comment thread.
The rest of your comment follows the same pattern as “He was a house painter.”
Correction: should have said US-Soviet Intelligence knowledge of the camp layout/infrastructure.
Hitler was considered a rear area pig by his comrades in WW1, while they were up front the house painter was miles away sleeping like a log in the trenches. Was never a corporal, the translation of Private First Class is not a corporal–he led no one in WW1, stole the stories off Hugo Gutmann who had disarmed some French soldiers later Hitler retells and places himself as Hugo who kindly out of disappointed provided Adoof with an incredibly rare 1 of only 5 million Iron Cross medals.
Are you aware of the 1934, 20th anniversary of WW1 in Germany held for those who served? Hitler avoided the event has his List Regiment, was a picture he wanted to avoid. I never called him a rear pig, that was his comrades. Killed his dog Blonde before himself went BANG!
No one paints a house like the house painter Hitler. If his parents were around in the 1930s he would not have been screaming like a lunatic. They would have been so embarrassed by his behaviours and antics.
Did you know Hitler supported animal rights like Cromwell? Killed his own dog to test out his gun. In the end Hitler proudly painted himself with the colour of the victor, there was Red everywhere. A great man–so terribly misunderstood for those who speak no German.
I know his name. I spent a great deal of time collecting everything I could find on or by him. His utopian book on the world to come which he self-published (5000 copies) in early 1942 gives great insight into his socio-political ambitions. And memos and notes from his time at Nuremberg throw a very different light on such things as the ‘Hoess at Nuremberg’ scenario. The information about Dodd kicking him out comes from a 200+ page hand written diary from another Jewish prosecutor who died in the 1950s.
They is claimed to be Oscar Krasniansky of the Slovakian Jewish Council in Žilina. who, according to a letter sent by Wetzler in 1982 to the (Jewish) Hungarian historian, Miroslav Kárný, after completeing the various translations did not preserve the ‘original!’
The current tale given by Wikipedia:
Carolyn said:
Carolyn that’s not the legal definition of a forgery.
This is:
Either way it doesn’t matter: because the alleged original would have been a ‘false written document with the intent to defraud’ and the various ‘copies’ are forgeries because they remain ‘false written documents with the intent to defraud.’ regardless of the existence of an original to begin with.
I don’t have my copy to hand at the moment. Perhaps you’d be kind enough to copy the relevant information over to here or post a link to an online copy that can be freely read?
Thanks.
BTW, do you happen to know who ‘Dr. M’ was? I think, according to that book, he provided T with a big car and chauffer.
Interesting links👌
‘…He was a house painter…’
That is, of course, not true.
However, it’s mildly interesting that you post a canard from so long ago. ‘Hitler was a house painter’ dates from when being from a lower-class background was actually seen as derogatory.
You actually can look at the successive screeds cooked up about Hitler — and learn something about those who vilified him, if not about Hitler himself.
There was ‘the housepainter.’ Obviously, those employing this still believed in class privilege; a housepainter is necessarily unfit to run a country. Then — in the obsessively heterosexual Fifties — you got Hitler was a sexual degenerate. Come women’s lib, and guess what? Hitler oppressed women. Gay Liberation? Far from being a degenerate himself, Hitler persecuted sexual deviants.
Anyone checked on all the awful things I’m sure it turned out Hitler did to transsexuals? At least, I would guess that’s what he did this year.
You, Ian Kershaw and reason.com are all ignoramuses by choice because of your political choices. It is never Reichbank or Reichmark, but only Reichs with an ‘s’. Reichsbank, Reichsmark or Reichsmarks. It shows, along with everything you write, your own unfamiliarity with Germany and your dependence on politically-biased sources. You’re a fraud. As I said, a troll.
More to come. I have to fix something to eat; it’s 3 pm and I’ve only had a cracker.
Yeah? Do you think housepainters, hairdressers or plumbers should be running a country? Maybe if they had a great career and then dropped down due to some hardship… but this is not the class most housepainters are in.
Hate to break it to you, but everyone is a closet degenerate. Anyone obsessed with persecuting sexual deviants is probably a (very serious) sexual deviant themselves.
‘Hate to break it to you, but everyone is a closet degenerate. Anyone obsessed with persecuting sexual deviants is probably a (very serious) sexual deviant themselves.’
From the two posts of yours addressed to me that I’ve read, you seem to have a gift for missing the point.
Atten: Henryb
Carolyn wrote:
Here it is. I published this in 2017, all taken from Arthur Butz’ book The Hoax of the 20th Century. https://jan27.org/the-two-fake-documents-upon-which-the-auschwitz-gas-chamber-myth-rests/
You made the point that the class-based discrimination against Hitler, as well as attacking his sexuality were unfair.
I’m making the point that they were fair.
The Young Hitler I Knew paints him a low-class 4chan troll who hated women (all those guys are degenerate perverts too).
When you’re a genocidal maniac, these are the small things people criticize you for.
gotta fuel up to hate the jews. i can send you some Reichbucks for some food
These people can’t tell the same story twice, any of them. Yet they’re never called to account to explain why. IIRC Butz’ book came out around 1978 but it’s now claimed that Wetzler introduced another version when writing to Miroslav Kárný,
In fact that’s what it says in the Wiki entry I posted above:
The current tale given by Wikipedia:
No attempt here to hide the fact that these ‘versions’ seem to be organic by nature and subject to change as time unfolds. Just like the plants in your garden.
Did you have cheese on that cracker?
Well, you’re not even worth talking to — so I won’t.
‘The Young Hitler I Knew paints him a low-class 4chan troll who hated women (all those guys are degenerate perverts too).’
? Evidently you haven’t read the book.
I realize Butz’ book was first published in 1976 (good for him for being on it that early!!) but what I’m quoting from is the 2003 edition, with the new Foreword. Wetzler died in 1988, so even what he said then would be outdated today. As you said, everything these people say eventually has to be revised or re-interpreted (like Joe Biden’s public remarks! lol) which is why they criminalize free discussion of it. This “Auschwitz Report” has come to be not believable, so there is no reason to even talk about it. It’s just another false, fraudulent document. They can “prove” that it’s not if they expect people to believe it.
Trying to follow the thread of it all leaves one dizzy and empty-handed–it’s an endless rabbit hole that never concludes. For that reason, I don’t mind being called a H. Denier because, after years of study, I do just deny it all. Pretty much across the board.
It’s interesting that Wetzler later wrote a fictionalized account of the whole “experience.” These Jews love their story-telling. When they can write fiction outright, it’s so much more enjoyable than having to pretend it’s true and “really happened.”
No, but I did have Hummus with it. And it was a really nice cracker too–mostly seeds. It takes the edge off.
Yeah, the Butz book caused a neurotic spike when it first appeared. No one was ever meant to stand up to their BS and answer back in the manner and style that Butz did. I remember using it in the good ol’ days when Amazon still allowed ‘respond to comment’ threads to develop on the books pages.
Ah, yes, yes. I got into the Amazon comments too, and I got kicked off! I started besting some Jew who was kind of a mainstay there; he certainly had influence (unbeknownst to innocent me) and next thing I knew I was advised my commenting privilege had been revoked, on all pages, with no appeal allowed. I was kind of shocked by it at the time. It was him behind it alright; I think he even bragged about it on that same comment thread, saying Carolyn Yeager was gone, and why. That upset me the most; that he had such influence and he was such a jerk!
“…They took notes…” I want to see those notes!Not the transcribed ones, but the original, hand written ones.
Surely they are in your mountain of German documents?
Carolyn Yeager truth seeker. A paradigm of future and factual information. Like all H deniers completely full of shit. You got to love this. So satisfying. She is so sanctimonious on this site. Hot, cold, cold, wet. Here we go enjoy. How many books did you sell Carolyn? Would like to clarify for the UR audience any of this information so it is more provable and believable? This book looks to me like a little revision is needed. Can we see the revisionist version of what it was like to take in a movie in Auschwitz?
You write: “Dr. Josef Mengele performed horrible medical experiments on live humans there, including twins and those with blue eyes.”
My response: This is a very dubious statement. You might want to read the following articles on this subject:
1. https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/2/4609 by Germar Rudolf
2. https://inconvenienthistory.com/5/4/3223 by Carlo Mattogno
3. https://inconvenienthistory.com/13/1/7585 by John Wear
I have not seen any convincing evidence that Mengele performed such horrible medical experiments.
You write: “At the end, as the Soviets closed in, the SS guards murdered thousands more as they marched starving survivors west.”
My response: There were some survivors who died while they were marched west, but there was no German policy of mass murder. Also, thouands of Jewish survivors who were too sick to march were left behind at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If Auschwitz-Birkenau was a place of mass murder of Jews, why did the Germans leave behind so many thousands of Jews to bear witness to their genocide of Jews?
Interesting links👌
I never wrote any of what you say I wrote. You are addressing this to the wrong person. But much of what you write is total utter bullshit.
No denier can account for the missing Jews. What happened to all of the Jews who arrived and were not registered in the camp.
So nice of you, Fran, to publicize my little gem of a book, and even provide a color image of it. However, you failed to credit the source of the review you copied here. Why? It is, of course, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and it dates from 2010 – 12 years ago for the arithmetically challenged. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/lying-about-auschwitz But you should know that I was pleasantly surprised by it because it describes and quotes from my book correctly for the most part — unlike you.
The SPLC is discredited now and doesn’t enjoy the standing it had back then. FYI, while the book is still selling and featured by The Barnes Review [I think you were hoping to give the impression that this review was written by The Barnes Review; that’s why you left off reference to the SPLC], I don’t collect any royalties, not for a long time. I don’t need it; I suspect they do. I’m just happy it’s still available. I’ve never been out to make money from this; only to provide a truer picture.
You are such a fucking degenerate liar. As you say to us. Have you ever been to the theater at Auschwitz? Do you have any corroborated evidence? Any witnesses that have been to the theater at Auschwitz (prisoners)
Yet you write about all the facts of the holocaust are lies, all the testimony is incorrect. All the documents fraudulent. But your little gem is real factual history. What a liar.
What does who wrote the review have to do with the content.?
A lie is a lie. You can prove no of what you wrote.
You write: “I never wrote any of what you say I wrote.”
My response: All right, you are quoting somebody else. However, you do not tell us who you are quoting, and present it as if it is the truth.
Now hang on a second John. 90 % of my reportage on this thread has been about arrival, selection, walks towards crematoriums, missing Jews, crematorium capacity, and body disposal at Auschwitz.
All sourced and resourced. You do not find my sources credible that is your business.
Carolyn wrote a book. The book consists of lies. It is Carolyn’s fantasy. She has never proven a smidgeon of the data and information to back up her fantasy of a brothel for prisoners at Auschwitz. The book is all lies because there exist no proof of what she wrote on the most basic of premises. It is not worth the paper it is written on. Someone wrote a review of her book. I do not have to source a review of her book to anyone. A review is an opinion piece. I am saying that Carolyn needs to prove what the reviewer is quoting as lies as factual. Let her come up with evidence. I see none therefore what she says are all lies. The onus is on her.
I owe Carolyn Zero, because her product is Zero. You prove it true, I will research and present evidence against it and prove it false with sourcing.
Here are some other reviews I am not sourcing. Let Carolyn prove some of her fantasy.
Franny is p!ssed because her “holocaust™” fable is being discredited and exposed as the massive fraud that it truly is by more and more thinking people around the world.
She is p!ssed because the talmudic gnomes who were interned as “declared enemies of the German state” no longer had their piles of gold to rub and were required to WORK at manual labor jobs for the first time in their lives. Even then, (((they))) were running scams within the institutions.
Oh yeah, Dr. Mengele. You gotta love him. Stuck in a draughty wooden hut during the bitter Polish winter and with only a gaslight to work by; he managed to perform UNBEIVABLE operations like taking the backs of twin Jewesses and connecting their organs, nerves, veins and arteries etc. before stitching them together with barbed wire to form a brand-new hunchback that lived for three more days!
What’s not to believe?
You write: “Carolyn wrote a book. The book consists of lies. It is Carolyn’s fantasy…I am saying that Carolyn needs to prove what the reviewer is quoting as lies as factual. Let her come up with evidence…You prove it true, I will research and present evidence against it and prove it false with sourcing.”
My response: I read both of Carolyn’s books a few months ago. I like them both.
The reviewer you quote writes: “You probably thought you knew a thing or two about Auschwitz: It was a nightmarish Nazi extermination camp in Poland where more than 1 million people were murdered, most of them gassed to death with Zyklon-B and then cremated.” Your reviewer at the end makes it clear this is what he/she believes, and refers to Carolyn Yeager as “a woman of leaden stupidity.”
At the top of page 35 of Carolyn’s booklet, she shows the fake Auschwitz homicidal gas chamber, and says it “was really a morgue.” So how do we know that this is a fake homicidal gas chamber?
One place to start is David Cole’s one-hour video of his tour of Auschwitz.
David Cole, a Jewish American, produced a very revealing video based on his visit to Auschwitz in September 1992. Wearing a yarmulke and pretending to be a righteous Jew wanting to answer those who question the Holocaust story, Cole paid extra for his personal English language tour guide. The video shows numerous weaknesses of the alleged homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz: 1) Obvious marks on the walls and floors where apparently walls have been knocked down; 2) Equally obvious holes in the floor where bathroom facilities had been; 3) A flimsy wooden door with a big glass pane in it; 4) A doorway with no door and no fittings for a door leading to the crematorium ovens; 5) A big manhole right in the middle of the gas chamber; and 6) No Zyklon B staining in the walls. Any reasonable person can tell that the alleged gas chamber shown in the video could not possibly function as a homicidal gas chamber.
In response to David Cole’s questions, Cole’s tour guide repeatedly states that the gas chamber at Auschwitz was in its original state. Unable to answer all of Cole’s questions, Cole’s tour guide went to get a woman who was introduced as the Supervisor of Tour Guides for the Auschwitz State Museum. In response to Cole’s question, the Auschwitz tour supervisor states that the holes in the ceiling of the alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz were rebuilt after the war. Thus, contrary to statements made by Cole’s tour guide, the Auschwitz tour supervisor acknowledged that the alleged homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz is not in its original state.
David Cole next interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper, the Head of Archives and the Senior Curator of the Auschwitz State Museum. Dr. Piper explained in the interview that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz is similar to the one that existed in 1941-1942, but not all details are the same so that, for example, there are no gas-tight doors. In other words, the gas chamber is not in its original state, but is rather a postwar reconstruction. Cole’s video documents that the museum officials deceive tourists by representing that the gas chamber at Auschwitz is in its original state even though the museum officials know better. The postwar reconstruction they show tourists at Auschwitz is worthless as proof of anything. Also, there is not a single wartime document or photograph to confirm what the alleged homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz looked like.
Another source that proves that the Auschwitz “gas chamber” shown to tourists is a fake is the forensic evidence. I have written an article on this at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160.There are also some good books you can read on this subject if you want to go into more detail.
Thus, Carolyn is clearly correct that the alleged homicidal gas chamber that is shown to tourists at Auschwitz is a fake.
We are not talking about homicidal gas chambers were are talking about movie theaters and swimming poles. What Carolyn wrote is a lie.
Where are these people going John to the non homicidal gas chambers?
John did you know that no one ever saw these people again? Not in the camp? Where did all these people go. They went up smoke stakes. They became ashes in a matter of minutes from when this photo was taken. Do you need a map to locate where this photo was taken at Auschwitz. It was located on route to the crematorium.
Homicidal Gas Chambers.
You write: “We are not talking about homicidal gas chambers were are talking about movie theaters and swimming poles. What Carolyn wrote is a lie.”
My response: Carolyn is correct that there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz. She shows a picture of the swimming pool both on pages 30 and 31 of her book. David Cole also shows it in his one-hour video I mentioned in my previous comment.
Carolyn also discusses the theater on pages 27-29 of her book. She is correct that there was a theater at Auschwitz. Have you actually read her book? It is an easy read.
You write: “John did you know that no one ever saw these people again?”
My response: How do you know that no one ever saw these people again? Large numbers of people survived Auschwitz-Birkenau, including many children. Please see my article about the Jewish survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482.
Maybe they’re on their way to Baltimore for one of those night time drops that Ernst Zundel talked about before he was ‘deported’ to the East.
They were not for the prisoners, they were for the SS. Seriously John this is not a game.
These facilities were not available for the prisoners furthermore the fate of prisoners was precarious, health and work were difficult. Food etc. You are making a mockery of the prisoners and the conditions for the prisoners at Auschwitz. You read what the meals were like. The sanction. Caryoln is a liar. Her book is a lie.
Do these people look like they are going for a swim.
Well Fran, what you are really so “pissed off about” (to use anarchyst’s words) is that I don’t want to be girlfriends with you. You thought that was possible a few year’s back in a comment thread here, but that blew up when you didn’t live up to your agreement to read & comment on material I asked you to read, and I would do the same. I did my assignment but you would not do yours. Then I knew I was wasting my time in hoping to educate you. You are stubborn as a mule.
Now, nothing in my little booklet is a lie. It’s on my website so anyone can read it for free, nice and big, photographs and all. https://carolynyeager.net/auschwitz-underground-guided-tour The photos are numerous and they show just what Auschwitz looks like, and looked like. People who read it can tell it’s not lies. Things don’t become true just because one can show that someone else wrote it in a book and can name that book and page number. Maybe that person is not telling the truth. How to know? Truth resonates with people who want the truth; that’s really how it works. If you’re convinced this is not the truth, it doesn’t matter how many references I supply, you still won’t accept it.
On pages 29-30, Marc Klein, a French detainee, who wrote a booklet published in 1948 about his time in the camp. I quoted from his book, in English:
I also use statements about the sporting events at Birkenau from Tadeusz Borowski, a Polish Jewish prisoner, William Schick, a Czech prisoner, and Salamo Arouch, a Greek prisoner.
Re the “movie theaters”, I did not mention movie theaters in Auschwitz, only the live theater, where inmates put on stage plays with costumes, musical scores, the whole shebang. The idea was to give detainees something to enjoy in their free time, something to participate in. Exactly the same with the orchestras, bands and choirs, and the art and painting studios. Because they appreciated having these opportunities, they behaved batter; it was good for morale.
There were movie theaters, in fact what is now the Visitor’s Reception bldg. was used for that purpose. They showed German films which maybe not everyone wanted to see.
In case you forgot what jokes the world thinks you lunatics are. Here is the bottom part of the Harvard Crimson article. Don’t you love the part about free speech. Your bet noir.
The advertisement closed with an appeal for contributions to the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. “Your contribution to CODOH will be used to disseminate the good news of Holocaust Revisionism,” it said.
Some college papers, including The Duke Chronicle and The Michigan Daily, printed the ad. Others, including The Daily Pennsylvanian and The Crimson, did not.
THE CRIMSON has a longstanding policy of defending free speech, even when the content is offensive. Over the years, many controversial arguments on controversial topics (date rape, homosexuality, Israel) have been made on these pages. We have not always agreed with those arguments, but almost always, we have printed them.
At the same time, we are a private newspaper, and as such we reserve the right to impose internal restrictions on what we will and will not print. Content matters. By choosing not to run an ad, or an editorial for that matter, we are not imposing censorship; we are simply refusing to offer our privately-owned assets–our printing press, our circulation network, our readership, our limited number of pages, and the name of The Harvard Crimson–to that material.
WE DON’T REJECT many advertisements. Then again, we don’t get offered too many blatantly false ads from blatant anti-semites. (According to the Anti-Defamation League, CODOH was co-founded by Bradley R. Smith, the writer of the ad, and by a known member of an American Neo-Nazi Party.) We’re not talking about a controversial argument based on questionable facts. We’re talking about vicious propaganda based on utter bullshit that has been discredited time and time again by legitimate scholars of diverse ideological persuasions.
CODOH is free to pour their $700 into copying machines. They can print up flyers and hawk them around Harvard Square to their heart’s content. In fact, the Square is occasionally graced by Lyndon LaRouche supporters distributing eye-opening ideas about Jewish conspiracies, and we don’t do anything to stop them.
But we are under no obligation to run CODOH’s hateful nonsense beneath the banner of The Harvard Crimson. We feel that providing CODOH a forum to promulgate malicious falsehoods in the name of “open debate” would represent an abdication of our editorial responsibility.
Ultimately, the problem with the ad, l ike the movement from whence it came, is not simply that it is moronic and false. CODOH’s rhetoric, unlike equally silly claims that two times two is six, seeks to propagate hatred against Jews; that is why it has to put on the moronic and false charade. We would no more run this ad that we would run an ad reading “Niggers die.” Let Gnomon Copies handle that one, thank you.
The fact that the ad we received chose to veil its message does not make it any more appropriate for our printing press. Simply put: We do not print just anything, and we do not intend to prostitute this newspaper to “disseminate the good news” of lies and hatred. There may be borderline cases for this rule, but this ad was not one of them.
This William Schick? Who was scared of the “Showers”
Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed that you are talking about Mr. Schick that you use for your fun at Auschwitz who then goes on to corroborate the gassing of the Hungarian Jews? I guess one part you embarrass but this part you just think there are no gassings at Auschwitz. What scoundrels you all are. Complete scoundrels.
https://donmooreswartales.com/2013/01/25/william-schick-auschwitz/
Except that the Harvard Crimson is not “the world.” It’s left-wing, communist-sympathizing Harvard intellectuals, not even representing all of Harvard.
Perhaps you’d care to describe this “apparatus” and show how it worked?
Because I can’t imagine how a hole in the roof could go ‘kaput.’
Once again you fail to identify your ‘copy & paste commentary.’ Is this taken from the USHMM? So this is not from William Schick himself, but written by some museum person ABOUT Schick. I notice that this “quoted” statement is not attributed to Schick, or to any one.
Isn’t that interesting? I’m quite sure William Schick did not say or write that because it’s totally false; there is no REAL evidence of such behaviors, ever.
What Schick supposedly said is:
I’m not sure about the last sentence. Here the “he said” follows the first sentence. It does not include the second sentence, does it? This is more of the same trickery or “sleight of hand” stuff. I always doubt the “screaming” description. Germans don’t scream. And so it goes throughout your entire ‘copy & paste.’ It is the familiar method of juxtaposing quotes and non-quotes, etc. to ‘suggest’ to the average reader that certain things are stated or admitted that are not. It is meant to deceive.
Fortunately for you, humans are easy to deceive.
The whole story is such an obvious and shameful lie. In May 1945 he wakes up and get’s out of his cattle cart to find he’s only “4 km” from where he started in Terezin!
Go to the link to enjoy the farce complete: https://donmooreswartales.com/2013/01/25/william-schick-auschwitz/
FIRST, what I wrote about W. Schick in my book is that he told the Sun-Herald newspaper that “he was placed in the Czech family camp in Birkenau where he played in soccer matches and said the soccer field was located near Krema III.”
All perfectly true. It would help your relevance if you actually familiarized yourself with what you’re criticising and kept your comments to what is actually in it, instead of trying to keep your head above water by frantically searching for something from the Internet garbage heap with which to reply to me.
You can’t win on this issue. In the article you link to, Schick is an old man living in a ‘survivor community’ in Florida, where they’re competing with each other to have a great story of their sufferings as a Jew in Auschwitz — 50-60 years after the fact! At the same time, they all continue to receive “reparations” checks monthly from the German government won for them by their Jew leaders. So they owe them. This is such a tired story and these aged but wealthy survivors (surlievers I call them) are a dime a dozen! Everyone one of them now has a story, and basically the same one!
FYI: Detainees and inmates at Auschwitz did not live on bread & water, ever, not even in the last months or, in some cases, the last days. Right there is the clue the storyteller has gone too far. Even after Auschwitz 1-2-3 were abandoned by the Germans, the hospital patients who stayed behind were being cared for, and apparently fed, by certain hospital staff. Photos taken by the Soviets show all survivors looking plenty well-fed; no signs of starvation.
In his lifetime, he was a “Bohemian corporal”, allegedly, to Hindenburg and perhaps others of a similar background, as a reason not to take him seriously. By “Bohemian” they did not mean Czech, but the Germans from Bohemia were seen as hicks in the German-speaking world. That a Field Marshal would look down on a corporal is not surprising.
Almost the same comment was posted in 2013 but not by me. Which just shows how obvious these lies are to right minded people who will not be persuaded by lies, guilt trips, and blackmailing assaults upon the senses.
From 2013:
The amazing journey of William Schick — from the Nazi death camps to the good life in America
Source: https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/the-amazing-journey-of-william-schick-from-the-nazi-death-camps-to-the-good-life-in-america/
‘In his lifetime, he was a “Bohemian corporal”, allegedly, to Hindenburg and perhaps others of a similar background, as a reason not to take him seriously. By “Bohemian” they did not mean Czech, but the Germans from Bohemia were seen as hicks in the German-speaking world…’
Could it have had anything to do with Hitler’s wannabe artist background?
After all, there is ‘Bohemian’ as in the lifestyle of such types. When did that usage appear?
The funny thing is that Hitler was a Bohemian in this sense in several respects: sleeping late, given to extravagantly fantastic schemes, an autodictat, a vegetarian… Hitler’s actual flaws get lost behind the demon we’re all incessantly bombarded with.
It would seem my suggestion for the origin of Hitler being called ‘a Bohemian corporal’ is also likely.
‘The transferred sense, in reference to unconventional living, is attested in French by 1834 and was popularized by Henri Murger’s stories from the late 1840s later collected as “Scenes de la Vie de Boheme” (the basis of Puccini’s “La Bohème”). It appears in English 1848 in Thackary’s “Vanity Fair.”
The term ‘Bohemian’ has come to be very commonly accepted in our day as the description of a certain kind of literary gipsey, no matter in what language he speaks, or what city he inhabits …. A Bohemian is simply an artist or littérateur who, consciously or unconsciously, secedes from conventionality in life and in art. [Westminster Review, 1862]’
So in at least French and English, ‘Bohemian’ would be an epithet at least relevant to Hitler’s actual background and attitudes — which is more than can be said for much of the abuse heaped on him by later generations.
After all, Hitler certainly wasn’t a house painter. Sexually, he was decidedly contained but quite conventional: he certainly liked women. As far as being determined to keep women in bondage, etc, I don’t think so — no more than was the norm in his day. After all, witness Leni Riefenstahl and Hanna Reitsch — if anything, feminine achievement was more celebrated in the Reich than elsewhere. Objecting to homosexuality really was quite normal until a generation or so back.
Etc. He wasn’t even short! Hitler was 5’9″ — slightly above average for a European man born in 1889. It’s interesting how that one got inserted into the stereotype and perpetuated.
But he was a bit of a weirdo lifestyle-wise. That much is true — and in that sense he really was a ‘Bohemian.’
‘“He learned later the apparatus that filled the showers with poison gas was ‘kaput.’”
It’s hard to imagine how a hole in the roof could be “kaput”.’
It’s possible the guards weren’t keeping the Jews filled in on the reasons for their behavior. Their surmises may have been incorrect.
‘…You can’t win on this issue. In the article you link to, Schick is an old man living in a ‘survivor community’ in Florida, where they’re competing with each other to have a great story of their sufferings as a Jew in Auschwitz — 50-60 years after the fact! At the same time, they all continue to receive “reparations” checks monthly from the German government won for them by their Jew leaders. So they owe them. This is such a tired story and these aged but wealthy survivors (surlievers I call them) are a dime a dozen! Everyone one of them now has a story, and basically the same one!…’
This is all valid enough — but at the same time, explaining how the truth about the Holocaust came to be embroidered and exaggerated isn’t the same as proving it didn’t happen.
I think I’ll risk offending any Christians reading this and compare it to the stories of the New Testament. One can point out how they couldn’t possibly be true; Christ couldn’t have walked on water, risen from the dead, etc.
But at the same time, Christ the man really does seem to have existed. That much seems to be historical fact. That the story may have subsequently been embroidered, exaggerated, larded with miracles, etc doesn’t disprove that.
Ditto for the Holocaust. That elderly Jews in Florida are motivated to exaggerate and even fabricate their memories doesn’t disprove the the reality of what other evidence clearly indicates happened.
You’ll disagree with that last, of course. But surely you will have to admit that the shortcomings of ‘survivor’ testimony from Florida oldsters has only limited significance.
Their ‘surmises’ were incorrect. It’s for the author or the publisher to draw readers attention to this notion. That way there is at least a semblance that the people who are peddling this stuff are doing so in a cautious and balanced way that avoids the charge of fraud being levelled against them, again and again.
They knew what needed to be done but they let it stand as though it was a fact. With that in mind it must be seen as just another lie.
No Chris. Christians believe that ‘Christ’ is God/Son of God. The evidence for this are the “miracles, etc”. Remove them and the basis for him being God becomes a matter of faith. This of course is what Fran & Co hope to achieve by showing pitiful photos and asking us to have faith in their claims that people are on the way to be gassed. It’s not good enough.
That Jews were rounded up and herded into camps or deported is true. And many died. However, in the absence of real physical evidence, that isn’t enough to morph a part of WWII into a planned ‘Holocaust’ as defined in this new article of faith.
That WWII is a fact doesn’t make the Holocaust a fact.
It’s good to see you join in here, Colin. I’m always happy to interact with you. My first reply to this comment is a great, big loud “NO, I DON’T!!!” to your last sentence:
I don’t have to admit any such thing and I don’t admit it. Do you have any idea how many oldster Jews who claim to be survivors of Auschwitz, and/or other “Nazi” camps, live in Florida enjoying the reverential treatment of the Christian folk and making extra bucks on the side by speaking in schools & churches, and other venues? Hordes of them. They practically ALL lie about their outrageous “death camp” experience that occurred so many years ago, which they survived and seem no worse for wear. What are the odds of that? Pretty nil.
So I ask you, what is the “other evidence that clearly indicates [the holocaust] happened”? Survivor testimony is about all there is. All the forensic, documentary “hard” evidence has collapsed, leaving pretty much only survivor testimony. If that is not reliable, what is left? You tell me.
“…We were to walk 900 miles to another concentration camp in Austria…”.
The driving distance from Dresden to Vienna is about 300 miles. Add 60 miles for distance to the camp.
Make of these fairy tales what you will.
“…They marched all 10,000 Hungarian Jews into the three gas chambers at Auschwitz and killed them all in 24 hours.”…”
You are insane to quote, and assert, this.
As I stated before, the tales of horror springing from the sick minds of your tribe fail completely when subjected to scientific, engineering, and logistic, principles and examination.
Nothing in this, your comment, makes any sense. It is just weird. Hitler was not known as a “Bohemian corporal in his lifetime“, except maybe his political enemies liked to call him that. I have never seen it.
The Germans from Bohemia were not seen as “hicks” — you need to show some proofs of that, and I know you can’t. Germans living in Bohemia were just that. Yes, they exhibited some differences from the Germans in Germany, but since you’re Polish I don’t think you have expertise in the matter.
Hindenburg didn’t “look down” on Adolf Hitler. He looked “up to him” as one he hoped could save the German Republic that was in disarray under his own leadership and that of the other conservatives. There is a cropped photograph of the two men together in which Hitler is bowing to Hindenburg in a respectful gesture on the day he became Chancellor. Most below their waists is cut off so that Hitler appears much shorter and smaller than the General, who was a big man. That’s a favorite of Hitler haters.
‘It’s good to see you join in here, Colin. I’m always happy to interact with you. My first reply to this comment is a great, big loud “NO, I DON’T!!!” to your last sentence:
you will have to admit that the shortcomings of ‘survivor’ testimony from Florida oldsters has only limited significance…’
Well…let me try to put this differently.
If there had been a Holocaust, then (a) there wouldn’t have been many authentic survivors to begin with, and (b) most of those would be individuals who somehow evaded the camps entirely and came out of the war alive — but without much to tell. After all, ‘I managed to obscure the fact that I was a Jew and spent the war inventorying light bulbs for Philips Electric’ isn’t much of a tale to regale the crowds with. After all, plan A wouldn’t have been ‘go to the camps and tell the world of what happened.’ It would have been ‘keep my head down, look busy, and hope nobody notices me.’
So we got whole lotta necessary non-witnesses: those who went and died, and those who neither died nor went. That leaves those who would have actually entered the camps but somehow left alive. Among those are two large — and to some extent overlapping — groups: those who would rather not relive their experiences, and those who aren’t going to want to tell you exactly what they did to survive. As I’ve pointed out before, the genuinely traumatized often don’t like to parade their suffering. Like any seriously wounded animal, they keep quiet.
My point is that regardless of the truth of what happened, disproportionately, your ‘survivor testimonies’ are going to be from charlatans and fantasists: indeed, many of those testifying may have cleaned up their stories: ‘Yes, I was at Auschwitz and it was awful;
I survived because I was willing to club hysterical mothers into submission.’Whether it happened or not, you’re going to get lies, silence, and omissions. That you do proves little.
As to Hitler being a bit ‘weirdo’, he was definitely different. As a boy, he was very natural and normal. In his teens, he developed interests way beyond what the average youth was capable of. He was highly intelligent and creative; therefore impatient of the normal course of life he was expected to follow. He set his sights on becoming an artist — a painter. I always wanted to be an artist, and when in high school that idea was very developed and practiced by me, and I wanted to live a Bohemian lifestyle! That word was definitely in my vocabulary. It was a romantic idea. I believe Hitler was a romantic.
You probably think I’m a weirdo. But I don’t think so. The reason Hitler slept so late in the morning was that after he was Fuehrer for long enough and began prosecuting wars, he had so much on his mind, so much to think and worry about, he couldn’t fall asleep at night. He only drank herbal tea, too, and ate bland foods. But he couldn’t turn it off. He hated laying in those stuffy bunkers, unable to sleep, so he just waited until he was so dead tired, commonly around 4 a.m.! I don’t think he was a Bohemian at all; he was too serious and had too great a sense of duty and mission.
BTW, those military planning meetings — the last one of the day was kind of late at night.
I don’t know if you ever saw the Martin Scorsese comedy from the 1980s. It reminds one of this liar’s Holocaust story, which miraculously ended where it had begun…In Prague.
The film is about a calamitous night out in New York that begins as a’Yuppie’ leaves his place of work and ends 24 dreadful hours later as he’s dropped of back where it began just in time to start another day at the office as though it’d all been a bad dream.
Everything they say sounds so unbelievable that innocent minded people think it must be true because no one in their right mind would claim such obvious nonsense if it weren’t. Of course, as you know, Hitler explained this perfectly in Mein Kampf:
Speaking of the Jews:
But the problem remains: the exaggerations lies and false testimonies have become the building blocks for the entire edifice.
If in trying to prove their Holocaust they decide to use materials that lead to it’s collapse then that is their responsibility and not something we should be punished for.
‘But the problem remains: the exaggerations lies and false testimonies have become the building blocks for the entire edifice.’
Well, that’s the thing. These aren’t ‘the building blocks for the whole edifice.’ The Holocaust denialists seem to work by simply disregarding all the relatively unimpeachable evidence. Trial testimonies of the sort cited in Ordinary Men, references in speeches that Himmler made, the fact that all these Jews went east but never came back, changes in raw population…
Beyond that, there are such phenomena as the Nazis’ almost obsessive attempts to get everyone to give up their Jews: the Slovaks, the Hungarians, the French. If extermination wasn’t the intent, why not leave the French with their Jews, etc? Didn’t the Germans definitely want to hobble the French post-war? Great: stick them with Jews. Why try to round them up? What did happen to all those Jews sent east? Well, I’ve got a suggestion…
Simply picking out the more dubious part of the narrative and discrediting that demonstrates little. I could as easily demonstrate that the First Crusade didn’t happen. Simply quote the bits about heavenly knights charging from the skies and we’re there.
Or, I could, for example, show that US government policy towards the Indians was hardly as some would have it: the smallpox-infected blankets, the ‘Trail of Tears’ — I could tear a lot of it apart.
So what? We didn’t like the Indians and wanted them to go away — and most of them did. The gist is undeniable. Picking out lurid fantasies and discrediting them doesn’t alter the general picture.
To me, the overwhelming bulk of the evidence says the Nazis decided to kill all the Jews — and largely succeeded. What’s to be read into that is another matter — but it happened. Sure as Australia’s really a place I could visit if I wanted to.
I said they have become the building blocks. You say they aren’t but the say they are unimpeachable evidence!
What Trial testimonies are you referring to?
too bad there is no comment button to press that says “yawn” or big “yawn”. I did credit the source.
https://donmooreswartales.com/2013/01/25/william-schick-auschwitz/
‘…You probably think I’m a weirdo. But I don’t think so. The reason Hitler slept so late in the morning was that after he was Fuehrer for long enough and began prosecuting wars, he had so much on his mind…’
My feelings about you are curiously parallel to those I have about David Irving: yes, he sometimes interprets things other than as I would — even distorts them in the interests of a particular agenda.
But the same can be said of most historians — and in spades! Richard Evans would be a good example. He makes David Irving look like a paragon of dispassionate objectivity. It’s just that since he’s on the side with the big battalions…
Ditto for you. Sure, you’re hardly objective. ‘Hitler was a paragon of all human virtues’ is not a defensible position. It’s just that the opposite is worse. I quoted this from somewhere. Where is hardly important. The point is that it’s hardly objective.
‘Hitler and the Nazis have become the standard by which all other evil is measured. Much of our knowledge of these monsters derives from the work of Raul Hilberg.’
Uh huh. Not really. Hate to break it to all those people who need a world in which Hitler was the bad man — but to go by the reaction of those who knew him, he seems to have been a pretty nice guy. Decidedly original, and perhaps excessively influenced by the charnel house that was the First World War, but ‘evil’? No. In what way?
Now, the effects of his actions are another matter, but ‘evil’? I don’t think so. Like Gorbachev, or Jimmy Carter, or Woodrow Wilson, he meant well. That’s not how it panned out, but…
So my point is that I do disagree with you — but don’t take it personally. I disagree with most people. At least, if you quack like a duck, it’s your own duck. That’s better than average.
‘…too bad there is no comment button to press that says “yawn” or big “yawn”…’
Be careful what you wish for.
Personally, I could use a ‘noted’ button. I don’t want to thank people, and I certainly don’t want to agree with them, but I did read what they said. It didn’t just vanish into the void.
All one has to do is observe the “American History Channel” which should be renamed the “American Hitler Channel”. This American cable channel is 99% propaganda, when it comes to WW2 and Germany. Communism is given a “pass” and is never mentioned.
According to the propaganda on this channel, Adolf Hitler was a drug addict, was STD-ridden and mentally ill, yet possessed alien technology, advanced engineering such as jet engines and nuclear technology.
Adolf Hitler is never shown speaking softly, only his speeches and rallies are shown. Near the conclusion of every show, photos of the same old typhus-ridden bodies at the end of WW2 are paraded as “proof” that there were “gas chambers” (yeah, right) with commentary about the so-called “holocaust™” with no rebuttal allowed.
According to the “American History Channel”, despite possessing all of this advanced technology Germany still could not “win” WW2. Of course with the rest of the jewish-run world against Germany, it is gratifying to know that Germany lasted as long as it did and, in reality did much more with its limited resources than would have been possible by others.
Hitler was a great man. Even black separatist Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan correctly stated as such, and received condemnation for speaking TRUTH.
As the phony “holocaust™” burns itself out, the historical record will be corrected as it takes approximately 100 years for the victors’ historical biases (and lies) to be acknowledged and corrected.
Yeah pretty much everyone thinks you are a weirdo. You have admitted that you identify with the Führer because everyone thought he would not amount too much and he sort of exceeded his class identification. He rose above what was expected. Similar to yourself. That is what you said. You are in a unrequited love affair with the Fuhrer.
You yourself Carolyn are a terrific fantasist, you would have made a wonderful survivor full of gassing stories. You are the best case I have seen of someone with a cognitive personality disorder. You are just plain nuts. Railing against everyone else’s stories when you are full of the the best fantasies in the universe. The soccer field, the good meals, the whole adventure of sleeping in a warm bed with your sister.
People were gassed. They arrived only a few registered to be as prisoners. The rest went to the crematorium, died and were cremated. They died, they were never heard from or seen again. Millions of missing dead Jews.
What IS the “overwhelming bulk of the evidence” that you’re referring to? I keep asking but don’t get an answer. Sorry, but what you’re giving is a run-around. And it’s comparing apples to oranges, not apples to apples.
I see you’re recommending Christopher Browning’s book Ordinary Men. Browning is a Jew, you know, but won’t admit he is and no one will ask him. That book does nothing to prove a genocide took place, and reads too much like fiction. You suggest Himmler’s (tampered with) speeches; the fact that Jews went east but never came back (do you know that?); population changes (there’s a big question of accuracy). None of this is nearly enough to convict even a trespasser. The only way to convict someone for murder is to have a dead body and a murder weapon. Then and only then can you build your case on motives and auxiliary evidence. Missing persons do not a crime make. Where are the bodies and where is the murder weapon? That is what has collapsed in the course of time and under the critical attention of the Revisionists. Because it has, these clever ‘historians’ and interested parties are looking to substitute anything they can think of to replace what’s actually irreplaceable: Bodies & weapon.
The Einsatgruppen Reports are unreliable documents, but even so what good are they when no bodies or bones have been discovered? And they’ve looked!
Very simple. The French had been defeated and were under German rule. The Germans didn’t want Jews (who were totally conspiring against them now) in their occupied territory, trying to kill them. Your commentary here is just plain silly; light-headed.
So the bottom line is: You haven’t a clue. As I’ve been saying–you don’t know enough to even object. Yet you end with: “but it happened. Sure as Australia’s really a place I could visit if I wanted to.” You’ve failed to do what you said you could do — just as Fran Taubman did and does. That makes it No Wins, All Losses so far for the Holocaust believer’s team.
I’m so disappointed. I expected better.
‘Yeah pretty much everyone thinks you are a weirdo…’
I’m trying to recall when Carolyn called for imprisoning those who disagreed with her. Drawing a blank.
In your following comment after I mentioned it, but not with your original posting of it. And the first paragraph said something like “According to museum officials” so that must have been from another place. Shows you throw stuff together with no attempt to be honest about where it’s from, which is disrespectful toward the people you come here to talk to.
People will not just continue putting up with your egregious faults.
Really are you so slow Colin? She is not calling for imprisoning those who disagree with her? LOL.
Have you not been following the creed of the deniers? Do you not understand that H denial has actually nothing to do with the Holocaust. These beauties are hoping to stir up hatred for the Jews so that the world will complete what Hitler started, or didn’t start, but should have started because god knows we Jews deserved whatever Hitler would have done had he really thought about it, although he really did not want to eradicate the Jews. You will retort with something clever and ridiculous. But there is nothing like the obvious.
Get it. Because these people are so normal. From the Harvard Crimson.
I encountered what I suspect is a related phenomenon. I did a journalism project once a long time ago that involved interviewing a survivor of WW2. Since I am partly of Polish descent and can speak the language, I went to a Polish club and interviewed an old man who had been in the Polish army in the West. What he said was interesting but I had a feeling he was leaving stuff out and there were gaps in the timeline. What I suspect he was suppressing was that he had been in the German armed forces for a time. He came from a part of pre-war Poland (Pomerania) where virtually all the ethnic Poles were declared to be ethnic Germans and so liable for call-up. There were hundreds of thousands of such people in the German armed forces. But “your grand-dad was in the Wehrmacht” is a slur in Poland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_the_Wehrmacht
Even in the Third Reich, North Germans sometimes referred to Austrians as Schlawiener, a pun on the German word for Vienna and also a hint that they contained excessive amounts of Slavic blood. Regional differences among Germans were decried under the Third Reich but never entirely went away.
Hitler had to wear a frock coat and top hat to his inauguration, as opposed to his usual uniform, and looks ill at ease. Whether the monarchist Hindenburg actually wanted to save the German republic is doubtful. By 1933 he was a tired old man and did not have much longer to live.
The previous year Hitler had dismissed Hindenburg as a serious obstacle to his plans. “By the time I’m 85 (Hindenburg’s age at the time) Hindenburg will be long gone.” And so it proved, even if Hitler never made it past 56.
You write: “Really are you so slow Colin? She is not calling for imprisoning those who disagree with her? LOL. Have you not been following the creed of the deniers? Do you not understand that H denial has actually nothing to do with the Holocaust. These beauties are hoping to stir up hatred for the Jews so that the world will complete what Hitler started…”
My response: I do not think that Jews or anyone else should be censored or imprisoned for stating their opinions. I am also strongly opposed to murdering any group of people. I am a Holocaust revisionist because, based on over three decades of research, I think the official Holocaust story is a fraud.
It is Jewish groups and organizations that have made it a felony to dispute the official Holocaust story in so many countries in Europe and now in Canada. These Jewish groups are doing this because the official Holocaust story is fraudulent and unsupportable by the evidence.
I am curious if all the survivors are lairs and fantasist. How come you believe the soccer part of Schick’s story but not the gassing part?
All of you pick and choose like crazy. This is true this is not. Why did they need 56 ovens? With the Germans and topf hairs on fire with speed and body count. Typhus does not mathematically solve that need. Typhus is a lie. Only a fantasist could come up with that. There was no need for 56 ovens on demand from Topf for Typhus. Do you posses any documentation that the Germans SPECIFICALLY requested faster burn time and body count for Typhus. John just says Typhus. That makes no sense.
You write: “How come you believe the soccer part of Schick’s story but not the gassing part?”
My response: My articles at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 explain why I do not think there were any homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Okay, I read this and took it in. My response to it: Nothing you’ve said here undoes or contradicts what I have said here, to you and even to others. It’s a big “so what?”
All peoples have slang words for those from different regions. Here in the U.S. there are & have been a lot of them. No one takes it seriously, and they come and go. All Slavs insist that all Germans who lived in Prussia were really Slavic; that’s nothing new. Granted, there was a lot of mixed blood there. But compare, have the Poles ever been able to function as the Prussians did?
Hindenberg made the decision himself to select Hitler, out of desperation for any better candidate. To speculate that he didn’t really want to save the Republic is simply nasty innuendo, which is what you seem to specialize in. Even tho Hindenberg was an old man, he was still pretty vigorous at that time. I am 81 and I am quite clear-headed and still take a great interest in what’s happening, even though, at the same time, I’m quite looking forward to what’s coming after this life chapter closes. I’m preparing myself … as a true German-blooded person does.
I never heard your statement by Hitler on age, but again, it’s not relevant to anything being said here. You like to throw this stuff in–it comes across, as I’ve already said, as Polish-serving innuendo.
I’m glad you brought this up because I was meaning to do it myself. You stated in your comment #790: “you are full of the the best fantasies in the universe. The soccer field, the good meals, the whole adventure of sleeping in a warm bed with your sister.”
Wow, what an assortment of unrelated items. You ARE saying that the soccer field at Birkenau is a fantasy. Whatever would induce you to say such a thing, other than an unhinged mind. Even the “museum” officials admit/know there is/was a soccer field and the inmates played soccer matches (implying ‘teams’) there. I show a picture of where it was in my little booklet on Auschwitz. Are you denying W. Schick talked about it? That’s my question for you.
And now you’re saying typhus is a lie? There ARE documents which emphasize that the horrible death count from disease must be stopped–measures taken, etc. That is not controversial either.
No, you don’t.
You’re starting to sound like Fran. I have never said ‘Hitler was a paragon of all human virtues’. That’s not the way I talk or think. You attribute it to me and then say “It’s not important where it came from.” ??
I have not taken it personally, until now, this. This is wrong and you should clarify yourself.
These are not comparable. Adolf Hitler never caved in. They all did. Adolf Hitler had character beyond the ordinary. Point to something specific if you disagree. Thanks.
Were any of those other “about” 14 called Belfast, Coventry, Frampol, Gorky, Guernica, Haifa, Leningrad, London, Minsk, Rotterdam, Sevastopol, Stalingrad, Warsaw, or Wielun?
Just wait til you find out what “lied” means in German. False cognates can be a real Stuka, dear Hundin.
I disagree … Colin Wright
Now … I have been waiting, since I saw this comment last night, to answer you and ask you, Colin, what it is you “Disagree” with about my answer to you. Please give some specifics about what and why you disagree. Is it everything, or just one or two things? I would appreciate that because this IS the important, still unanswered question between us, it seems to me. Here’s where we get down to the ‘nitty-gritty’ or the ultimate difference(s) (or not) between us.
The Bottom Line (something I wrote early this morning)
The Holocaust of the Jews lives in the minds of the Jews who believe it. It is subjective, not objective. The remains of the concentration camps are given ‘purposes’ they never had. Stories and falsehoods (in some cases downright lies) are told and believed, even by some non-Jews. The abandoned camps are prepared like a movie set, to appear as – to imitate – the original place and time that’s being ‘recreated.’ It’s meant to convince the visitor that they’re actually experiencing what WAS, back in that time. But it’s mostly illusion–make-believe. Think of those 2 words–make someone believe. Cause belief. Cause to believe. Bring about ‘belief.’
If you have any sympathy for Jews, you’re vulnerable. One must remove/clear oneself of a particularly sympathetic attitude toward Jews to see through it, see through the hoax. THIS IS THE REASON FOR THE COMPLETE INTOLERANCE FOR ANTI-SEMITISM by Jewry !!! It’s why they fight antisemitism, including criticism of Israel, so vehemently.
Sympathy for Jews gives Jews the power and leverage they need. Among White people, only those who no longer have that sympathy can or will see through the myth/spell of the Holocaust–the genocide of Six Million Jews.
[6 mil Jews + 5 mil others combined = Holocaust] Notice how Jews have to retain the bigger number. No surprise there.
‘…He came from a part of pre-war Poland (Pomerania) where virtually all the ethnic Poles were declared to be ethnic Germans and so liable for call-up. There were hundreds of thousands of such people in the German armed forces. But “your grand-dad was in the Wehrmacht” is a slur in Poland…’
Yeah. I haven’t seen the claim reiterated, but I once read that the ‘German’ division that repelled the Allies at Dieppe consisted largely of ethnically Polish conscripts.
There’s also the point that along any ethnic frontier, identities will tend to merge to some extent. My mother recalled visiting Alsace or Lorraine and being subjected to ‘merci vielmals.’
In Account Rendered, the author headed up a settlement of Bessarabian Germans in Western Poland. Initially, she was billeted with a local ‘German’ family. The wife would gossip with the farm maids in Polish, who would go about singing German nursery rhymes. One wonders if those maids would have decided they were ‘German’ had the German conquest stuck, or conversely, was the once ‘German’ farmer able to revert to being ‘Polish’ come 1945.
Somebody once commented that as one moves from Holland into Germany, there’s really no point at which people stop speaking Dutch and start speaking German. Rather, the Dutch just keeps acquiring more Germanisms until at some point it’s more a matter of the German having a lot of Dutchisms.
Repeating lies ad infinitum does not produce truth.
I have heard about there being lots of Poles in the German forces at Dieppe. They were a mixed bag generally though – a lot of sailors with rudimentary infantry training were issued rifles and were among those used to repel the attack. The Dieppe defenders were hardly Germany’s best in 1942, but they still proved more than adequate.
The German actor Klaus Kinski (born Klaus Nakszynski) came from what was the Free State of Danzig between the wars. His father was of Polish descent although his mother seems to have been German. They moved to Berlin and it looks like they had adopted German culture and language totally – I have seen no indication Klaus Kinski spoke Polish. It sounds like a case of people in a border region ultimately opting for one or the other.
The Holland/Germany has a particular wrinkle in it in that traditionally the same dialects are spoken on either side of the frontier. Low Saxon is for example spoken in much of the eastern Netherlands.
On Youtube I listened to a series of audio recordings of what were called Dutch dialects, although it included Frisian dialects, which are not Dutch, but no Dutch dialects of north and west Belgium were included. It got to Kerkraads, spoken in the extreme south-eastern Netherlands close to Germany, and I understood it well – it was practically the same speech as I have heard in Aachen, inside Germany only a few miles away. Basically it could be considered German.
‘It is Jewish groups and organizations that have made it a felony to dispute the official Holocaust story in so many countries in Europe and now in Canada. These Jewish groups are doing this because the official Holocaust story is fraudulent and unsupportable by the evidence.’
That is one reasonable inference. After all, I don’t feel compelled to suppress the claims of flat-earthers. If those who are certain the Holocaust happened are so sure of their case, why would they feel the need to silence those who differ? I don’t feel it necessary to silence you or Carolyn — knock yourselves out.
Another possibility is that the Holocaust — and Israel — is all that’s left of Judaism. If those are the only two touchstones left, then Jews might feel that allow those to be questioned, and that’s it for Jewish identity. In this connection, note that it’s not just Holocaust denial that they would seek to make illegal — they also try to make it a crime to question Israel’s right to exist.
It’d be interesting to survey Ultra-Orthodox Jewish attitudes — the beliefs of those who obviously still have a substantial Jewish identity. Are they as hung up on preventing Holocaust Denial and criticism of Israel as so many secular Jews are? After all, if you’re sure you’re still Jewish even absent the Holocaust and Israel, then those issues wouldn’t be so critical.
On May 29., 2013, an article appeared in Counter Punch Magazine, byline Edwin Krales, entitled: Why Orthodox Jews Oppose Israel. https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/05/29/why-orthodox-jews-oppose-israel/
I seem to recall reading, perhaps 50 years ago, a similar story why Orthodox Jews were opposed to the formation of the state of Israel.
Don’t know it they too, are hung up about the holocaust.
The so-called Holocaust is important in promoting Jewish/Zionist interests. I write about this in an article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4881.
“Simply picking out the more dubious part of the narrative and discrediting that demonstrates little.”
If this is your characterization of the revisionist literature, it makes me question how much of it you’ve actually read. Online, sure, you will see compilations of mostly minor survivor testimonies which have been selected for their silliness and absurdity (e.g., the “holocoaster”), but for the most part the revisionist literature focuses on the testimonies that were most important in the war crimes trials and/or the holocaust historiography. Go take a look at the mainstream texts like Raul Hilberg or Yitzhak Arad. Go to the most important passages about the mass executions, gas chambers, etc., and check their source notes. You will find that the witnesses relied upon in the classic texts are precisely those that have received attention from revisionists.
A second related critique of revisionists is that they are too quick to dismiss sources. This is arguable, but I would say that many of the issues raised by revisionists regarding e.g. Hoess or Gerstein are hardly minor. Moreover, I would argue that the mainstream side is outrageously lenient in their treatment of sources and they are often guilty of pulling out selected material and quietly eliding the embarrassing and contradictory parts.
Critique of the Rudolf Hoess confession
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html
I’m going to get tough here. I am fed up with your attachment to keeping everything on the level of “chit-chat” on this forum, while you pretend that you are open/interested in the truth. Like here:
This has already been said a million times by just about everyone who ever discusses the holocaust. It is not indicative of Colin as a truth-seeker but as a virtue-signaler who has long been SITTING ON THE FENCE, and has no intention of ever coming down but wants to be seen as knowledgeable on the issue.
When have they not felt those can’t be questioned? They work on those two incessantly and right from the start of both … not only now because religious involvement might be waning. Everyone knows this too. So why, pray tell, do you think these are original, or timely ideas now? Are you so dense? No, it’s your way (method) of moderating the conversation without committing yourself to ANYTHING. Right?
YES. Just look at Fran Taubman, just look at Elie Wiesel, just look at the Chabad Lubavitchers and all the New York-New Jersey Orthodox Jewish communities. So another ridiculous fake debate question from Colin, sitting on his fence. He could have answered this by himself if he had put the question to himself, but he’d rather create more chit-chat & the illusion he’s a thinking man.
In reply to HdC’s similar question, it’s the Neturei Karta Orthodox Jews who are opposed to Israel & Zionism [https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/neturei-karta] and likely some other similar small groups that I don’t know about. But in the main, the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox are all in.
I know some will think I’ve gone off the rails here, and maybe I have. But I cannot tolerate intentional fence-sitters who won’t take a stand, when it’s not difficult. Fran Taubman is better than this.
‘…It is not indicative of Colin as a truth-seeker but as a virtue-signaler who has long been SITTING ON THE FENCE…’
What fence am I sitting on?
Surely your position isn’t that the only valid position is to be as extreme as possible on any given issue — to argue, say, that not merely should we stop allowing immigrants but that we should immediately nuke the rest of the planet because they’re a threat? That deer hunters should not merely be allowed to kill one deer each in deer season but to mow down all they can find?
The extreme is not ipso facto the only defensible position.
Second, I am not required to deny that the Holocaust occurred merely because you do. I think it happened; I really do.
Your position boils down to ‘everyone has to agree with Carolyn Yeager or they suck.’ Well, I don’t buy that.
I would say no offense, but I’m perfectly happy even if you are offended. Suck it.
‘Even in the Third Reich, North Germans sometimes referred to Austrians as Schlawiener, a pun on the German word for Vienna and also a hint that they contained excessive amounts of Slavic blood. Regional differences among Germans were decried under the Third Reich but never entirely went away…’
This reminds me of one of the more striking passages from Sajer’s The Forgotten Soldier.
The squad leader, Kruger, a Prussian, remarks, ‘we’ve got nothing in common with you black-haired bastards from the other side of the Elbe.’
It’s observable that the demographically horrific effects of Germany’s defeat in the Second World War did much to erase regional identity. For example, I thought that by visiting Regensburg — which the Allied bombing forces actually managed to avoid razing to the ground in the war — that I would see an old-fashioned German town.
Well, yes and no. Materially, the old town was still intact. However, the very fact that the city hadn’t been reduced to rubble meant that it had become a prime site for resettling all the dispossessed Germans from the East. Germans seem to have gotten pretty thoroughly tossed into the blender and homogenized.
Nothing that you say here is true, nor is it applicable to whether “the Holocaust occurred”. Not in the least. But you want us to believe that YOU THINK IT IS. I can’t believe you are that dimwitted, after all these years.
What fence are you sitting on? The fence of holding a fixed position while not being willing to examine the details relating to that position with a critic of said position. You practice avoidance of any examination, called “dodging” at the CODOH Forum, where you will be banned for various periods of time for “dodging” by the moderator. There’s no moderator here so there’s no accountability.
You don’t mention facts, the nuts & bolts of the so-called “Holocaust”, do you? You call me Extreme. I am not, I’ m in the mainstream of thousands, maybe millions of serious-minded revisionists (I prefer to say Truth-Seekers, which I will from here on in). But you’re functioning from preconceived ideas of what is extreme vs what is reasonable WITHOUT consulting the evidence, and lack of evidence, in this particular major event. Is evidence not important? Not to you. Only your conceptions of what is reasonable in normal human exchange, i.e. taking a middle or moderate position for reasons like this:
How does that apply to me? If you want to quote me, go ahead, but don’t make things up. My point is What does the evidence say? but you can’t stick with that because you lose. When I pointed out why the reasons you gave weren’t valid, you used the Disagree button but wouldn’t say what exactly you were disagreeing with.
So it’s not about “agreeing with Carolyn Yeager or else” at all, but about sticking with what you started, and answering questions. You jump back on the fence whenever your ignorance becomes obvious, but you are not a newcomer to this subject! If you were a newcomer, it would be different.
Fine, but you’ve never yet said WHY you think so. I don’t think you have any reasons beyond that it’s more comfortable for you. You think it’s good enough to say things like “Well, I don’t buy that” and end it there. If that’s the best you can do, you should stay out of this topic (my opinion).
I actually responded to this early this morning on my iPhone when a call came in my post was lost. I was pretty frustrated.
This is all so simple, and you continue to make it so so complex. Of course there is a soccer field, it appears in photographs. There was a soccer field because it existed. The soccer field was not for prisoners it was for the SS officers. You may know one prisoner who played on a soccer field so you can include soccer in your sweet book on Auschwitz. But you know that prisoners of Auschwitz did not play soccer, so you need to pull from other incidents for your H denial. Tie on to another raft. Make up more stuff.
Same with Typhus. There was Typhus and people died of it. That is a fact. But Typhus did not kill 1.1 million Jews. Typhus is not why there were 56 ovens and 5 crematoriums at Auschwitz.
537,000 Hungarians Jews were sent to Auschwitz in a few months. Transport records exist. all but a few went missing. None of you H deniers can account for the missing Jews. Missing Jews is every deniers bet noir.They did not all die of Typhoid in 2 months. No records of transports out. It is not the soccer field, or the warm food. It is the missing Jews.
Where did the missing Jews go? Up in flames. Lets deal with the facts.
The spread of standardised language and increased mobility have tended to undermine dialects. I have spent quite a lot of time in Germany but rarely hear dialects although accent differences persist. There is a traditional dialect dividing line at Benrath, now a southern suburb of Düsseldorf but I have failed to detect any real difference between speech north and south of this line. Dialects seem in Germany to be mainly restricted to old people though in Austria I have heard rural families speaking in dialect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benrath_line
Whether people were Catholic or Protestant also used to matter in Germany more than it now does. German pan-nationalists had a saying, “Ohne Juda, Habsburg, Rom, bauen wir den deutschen Dom” (“Without Jews, Habsburg, Rome, we build the German cathedral”), but a suspicion of Catholics was present in wider circles and a part of the Kulturkampf by Bismarck.
Who cares what you and your tin horn website say? You have no voice, no audience. In essence you are a nobody. No one visits your website, or buys your books. So you can say that the H is fraudulent and unsupportable, but only a handful of people believe you. It’s as if you do not realize that the H denial ship has sailed. Your story has been told by others and been repudiated. Shown false. You are not finding new evidence, or a new audience. You live in a pretend universe. What is that like to keep rewriting old stories as if they were hot news? Do you not understand that we have heard it all before. You are like flat earthers, or moon landing deniers. You keep pointing to articles you write as if they are brand new and if only we saw them our minds would change. Your information is not new. Do you realize that?
Like the Crimson article said, it is a blatant attempt to cry Jew!!! The Jew is hiding the truth. Nothing has changed in 31 years. LOOk at Irving a ruined man. He was the one that sued. He brought it all on himself and his story was heard by the world. No matter. It has been rejected and he is a has been.
I am not sure that is what Hindenburg would have meant. In German, an unconventional milieu is called die Boheme but the geographical area is Böhmen. The adjective böhmisch can mean “incomprehensible” but is a reference to the Czech language.
Hitler came from Braunau, in Austria on the border with Bavaria, but there was a Braunau in Bohemia, now called Broumov, and there may have been some confusion with that.
You write: “You have no voice, no audience. In essence you are a nobody. No one visits your website, or buys your books. ”
My response: As of a year ago my book had sold 2,350 copies. I also write for The Barnes Review, which has several thousand subscribers. So, I don’t think it is correct to say I have no audience.
It should be noted that Amazon has not sold new copies of my book for about two and a half years now. This obviously hurts the sales of my book. I feel confident saying that Jewish groups were behind Amazon’s refusal to sale new copies my book.
You write: “What is that like to keep rewriting old stories as if they were hot news? Do you not understand that we have heard it all before.”
My response: You really haven’t heard it all before. Your knowledge of the so-called Holocaust is rather weak.
You write: “LOOk at Irving a ruined man. He was the one that sued. He brought it all on himself and his story was heard by the world.”
My response: David Irving sued Deborah Lipstadt because Jewish groups successfully put pressure on publishers to ban his books. Irving foolishly thought he could get justice by represnting himself without an attorney in a British court of law.
Irving in his closing address at his trial documented the pressure put on his publishers. For example, Irving stated: “Lord Weidenfeld, one of my favorite publishers — he published no fewer than three of my major works, including my best-selling Rommel biography — was the first publisher, first of a long and illustrious line, to come under clandestine pressure to tear up his publishing contract with me because my books offended these special-interest groups. He told me at the Frankfurt Book Fair on October 13, 1973, that ‘he had cancelled the book [Hitler’s War] under extreme outside pressure, he said, from officials of Zionist groups, and representations made by certain embassies.’ ” (Source: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p-9_Irving.html).
Another example David Irving cited in his closing address is the campaign to suppress his books through window smashing of bookstores which carry Irving’s books. If both publishers and bookstore owners are intimidated, then obviously it becomes extremely difficult to sell your books through conventional channels.
The harassment campaign against David Irving also included numerous arrests in various countries for his views on the so-called Holocaust. This does not seem to bother Sir Richard J. Evans, who was a primary defense witness for Deborah Lipstadt. In his book “Lying About Hitler”, Evans states on page 14: “One would not have expected a reputable historian to have run into such trouble, and indeed it was impossible to think of any historian of any standing at all who had been subjected to so many adverse legal judgments…”
It is remarkable that Richard Evans does not seem to realize that David Irving’s arrests were attributable to the fact that numerous countries do not allow freedom of speech concerning the so-called Holocaust. All David Irving ever did is publicly state his opinion on historical subjects. In my opinion, this reflects poorly on the countries Irving was arrested in rather than on Irving’s abilities as a historian. The question is: What kind of historical truth needs criminal sanctions to protect it? The Holocaust story would not need criminal sanctions to protect it if it was historically accurate.
The harassment of David Irving continued after his libel suit against Deborah Lipstadt. For example, Irving spent over a year in jail in Austria from 2005-2006 for his views on the so-called Holocaust. Publishers and bookstore owners are also still afraid to publish and sell his books for fear of the backlash from Zionist organizations.
Franny baby: What you have written applies exactly to you and your tribe’s endless repetition of lies.
Projection much?
At the scientific, engineering, and logistics level of examination, your holocaust caterwauling and shrill assertions are completely demolished.
Your repeated cries of “Where did the Jews go?” has been answered before. They went to the 60+ countries where the researcher for the movie Schindler’s List had to go to interview them.
And while I think of it: You make a great deal of the “mountain evidence” that the Germans supposedly left behind. Agreed that there are hundreds of meters of shelving in Bad Arolson of such documents. However, why do you and your tribe ignore those documents that do not support your narrative? As a matter of fact, you take the most innocuous documents or objects and assign to them the most horrendous history your sick minds can dream up.
Here are two documents that are never mentioned in your caterwauling narrative:
1) The German Sterbebuecher, or death books of Auschwitz, released by the Russian archives. These books record 80,000 deaths at Auschwitz.
2) The report issued by the International Red Cross. This report states that 271,000 persons died in the German concentration camps OF ALL CAUSES.
I just want to correct one thing that is a recurring ‘mistake’ I see a lot and that bothers me.
Not for his views but for expressing those views in a public (but secretive) meeting in a nation where it was against the law to do so.
Over and over, I see & hear truth-seekers repeat that “our thoughts are being criminalized” when, of course, that is not true. It’s public expression of those thoughts/beliefs which is classified under categories like “public incitement” to “hate” or antisemitism or something of that nature, which is only “Special Treatment for Jews” and comes, as you clearly state, from allowing overriding Jewish power to develop in that society.
I think this habit does more damage than good by making people more afraid than they need to be. We are free to think and speak privately as we wish, and should make the most of it. Of course, this is not good enough but it’s the situation we’re in BECAUSE we’ve allowed “sympathy” for Jews based on false “Holocaust” reporting, to dominate.
I probably should have said “Irving spent over a year in jail in Austria from 2005-2006 for publicly expressing his views on the so-called Holocaust.”
This is flat-out false. Many, many former prisoners (inmates) have told about playing soccer, as a team sport, at Auschwitz & other camps. So you are speaking blatantly in the face of what those in the know say, including former and current Auschwitz officials. I think you may be the only person anywhere who will still insist the camp inmates were not allowed to play sports.
You say the same about the swimming pool and library, art ‘museum’ & classes, live theater, musical groups of all kinds, and much more (such as self-forming language classes, political discussion groups to name just two). First you want to deny they had any free-time. Second, if the inmates were all dying of starvation & overwork, they wouldn’t have the energy for these activities, which is why you have to deny them. Since they can’t be denied, extreme Holo-horror defenders like yourself are up a creek — the only way out is to LIE. And boy, lie you do!!
Well, if you know so much, how many died of typhus vs how many died from other causes? All you know is to repeat the 1990 revised number of just over a million. That’s from 32 years ago. That lowered number has continued to be lowered, and no one is willing to say today what the number is. It’s always been a guess — plucked out of the air. That no longer works after 50 years of Revisionist investigative research and struggle to be heard.
So now you try to dismiss all that and say it’s all about the “missing Jews.” See how you’re reduced to less and less evidence? Missing persons is a difficult field for police investigators. These cases are very often never solved, but that doesn’t mean the individual is dead. It’s unknown, unsolved and remains an open case. When the police have no more leads to follow, they cease work on the case. But what you do is proclaim every “missing Jew” murdered, without evidence. Your sometimes ally Colin Wright, at this point, speculates, but speculation is not any kind of evidence at all. Police can’t use it, courts can’t use it. It’s useless, and it’s all you have.
Incidentally the German division involved, the 302nd, developed an enhanced reputation for beating off the attack. It was widely known as the “Dieppe division” and was upgraded. But its reputation may have become a curse in the end. It was sent to the Eastern Front in 1943 and destroyed in 1944.
What good is “free speech” if one can only do so privately?
Dissemination of ANY ideas publicly should NEVER be a “crime”.
Suppression of public speech IS suppression of “free speech”.
If one cannot freely express one’s thoughts as “speech”, what good is the concept?
‘Incidentally the German division involved, the 302nd, developed an enhanced reputation for beating off the attack. It was widely known as the “Dieppe division” and was upgraded. But its reputation may have become a curse in the end. It was sent to the Eastern Front in 1943 and destroyed in 1944.’
Well, forming and training, being on coast defense duties and completing training in the West in 1942, getting sent to the Eastern Front in 1943, being destroyed in 1944 was a pretty common career path for mid-war German divisions. It’s actually one reason the usual count of divisions understates the extent to which the Eastern Front was absorbing Germany’s wartime energies. Those divisions not on the Eastern Front tended to be either still working up — or eviscerated and recovering.
Too, having a fine, successful first battle is a great way to prepare a new division for the big leagues. Some divisions had the opposite experience — and were never worth much thereafter. I believe it’s Guderian, for example, who discusses the unfortunate career of 25th Panzer.
Whatever its final fate, the 302nd would probably have gone east in any event, and was likely better off for its confidence-builder at Dieppe.
HdC!! you have cracked the code. I, I .. had know idea there was a tally of the dead in Auschwitz. A grand total so to speak. Imagine all of those millions reported dead, are not really dead? You HdC thru unbelievable research found the total number of Jews killed in Auschwitz to be 271,000 recorded dead. That’s it. Holocaust over. The Jewish body count was wrong. Let me go back and tell everyone that millions did not die, only 271,000.
What do you think those Mfuckers Jews and Zionist are talking about?
Thanks for straightening me out HdC. Appreciate it,
So it does not add up to more than 10,000 followers or H deniers on the planet of billions of people, who reject in toto you revisionist claims of no mass murder of the Jews? Correct. You claim it is because the denial story can not get air time because of the Zionist. But both the Zundel and the Irving trial were front page headlines with your story front and center. Everyone knows it, and rejects it. Not exclusively Jews and or Zionist, but people all over the globe. You have a tiny group of people interested in your work. Less and less people are interested in Holocaust revisionism now that generation is dying off.
Well that depends on your point of view no? I am of an age and religious background (as I mentioned before) where I grew up with both family members and an entire community of H survivors and their children. All in all I would say that I know way way more about the Holocaust then you do. Your aim is to prove it did not happen, so you need to scrutinize the minutia and dispute forensic evidence. I only need to listen or see photographs of missing families and the stories that these survivors tell. I believe them because they have no reason to lie. You say that the Holocaust story is a fabricated conspiracy perpetrated by the Jews, who made it all up. Distributed a script for everyone to follow. I know that is utter bullshit, because I know the survivors who worked very hard with english as a second language to start and support families in a strange country. They could barely speak the language let alone make up shit.
So I know way more than you about the truth. You have an idea a fantasy and you are using manufactured data to support it. I know the real people. I have known them my entire life. Do you come from a family of liars? People who make up fantasies about where they came from? Do you believe your parents and and uncles? Do you know them to be honorable people?
David Irving’s historical information proved fraudulent, especially his translations which were clearly manipulated to show the Germans as the victims and the Jews the perpetrators. Historians went back and took another look at his books, and massive amounts of misinformation was found. Have you read about some of the errors he made, and his claim that Hitler picked Irving to be his biographer? I know of one total made up event of Irving. Irving claimed that a secret Jewish organization was behind Churchill getting into WW2. Fucking lie. It was not a secret organization it was a political group, that Churchill sought out for contributions. This group had nothing to do with the reason that Churchill went to war
After the discover of massive errors in translations and made up data, Irving was sent walking. He sued Lipstadt and lost. A larger part of the Holocaust denial story was more understood, many of the same claims were brought to light and people started to challenge all of the classic lies. David Irving was a great straw that broke the camels back. H revisionism has never been the same.
This dribble about the Zionist snuffing out your publishing is bullshit. I have told you many times the Christian community is more adamant about shutting down H denial than the Jews. There is a tremendous Mia Culpa in the Christian community about the Christianity trying to diminish and bread hatred against the Jews that was the match that lit the fuse on all of the Holocaust and the forcing of Jews into insular lives, unable to participate in many positions in European society. A lot of history under the so called bridge.
Christians will shut you down. In all of Christian Eastern Europe when I last visited will not tolerate a revival of Jew hatred. And let us face it Jew hatred is the entirety of H denial. Most of Europe had family that fought in both wars, and are not interested in a revisionist German good, Jew bad story.
This is a complete bogus claim. I have read many articles disputing Irving’s truthfulness and the viability of his sources by mostly Anglo historians, who are not by nature Jew friendly, very anti-Zionist. Trevor-Roper a zionist? lol.
Here is one from the NY Times. https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/e/evans-01lying.html
Note to Carolyn. I am citing my source.
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John Charmley, a right-wing historian at the University of East Anglia, wrote that he “admires Mr. Irving’s assiduity, energy, and courage.” He continued: “Mr. Irving’s sources, unlike the conclusions which he draws from them, are usually sound.” But he also noted: “Mr. Irving is cited only when his sources have been checked and found reliable.”
Hugh Trevor-Roper:
When a historian relies mainly on primary sources, which we cannot easily cheek, he challenges our confidence and forces us to ask critical questions. How reliable is his historical method? How sound is his judgment? We ask these questions particularly of any man who, like Mr. Irving, makes a virtue—almost a profession—of using arcane sources to affront established opinions.
The same view was taken by Martin Broszat, director of the Institut für Zeitgeschichte (Institute for Contemporary History) in Munich when Irving published Hitler’s War. One of the world’s leading historians of Nazi Germany, Broszat began his critique of Hitler’s War by casting scorn on Irving’s much-vaunted list of archival discoveries. The evidence Irving had gathered from the reminiscences of Hitler’s entourage might provide more exact detail of what went on at Hitler’s wartime headquarters, he wrote, and it might convey something of the atmosphere of the place, but it did little to enlarge our knowledge of the important military and political decisions that Hitler took, and so did not live up to the claims Irving made for it. Broszat went much further, however, and included the allegation, backed up by detailed examples, that Irving had manipulated and misinterpreted original documents in order to prove his arguments. Equally critical was the American Charles W. Sydnor Jr., who at the time of writing his review had just completed a lengthy study, Soldiers of Destruction: The SS Death’s Head Division, 1933-1945, published by Princeton University Press. Sydnor’s thirty-page demolition of Irving’s book was one of the few reviews of any of Irving’s books for which the reviewer had manifestly undertaken a substantial amount of original research. Sydnor considered Irving’s boast to have outdone all other Hitler scholars in the depth and thoroughness of his research to be “pretentious twaddle.” He accused Irving of innumerable inaccuracies, distortions, manipulations, and mistranslations in his treatment of the documents.
Peter Hoffmann, the world’s leading authority on the conservative resistance to Hitler and the individuals and groups behind the bomb plot of 20 July 1944, and a profound student of the German archival record of the wartime years, was equally critical of Irving’s biography of Hermann Göring, published in 1988:
Mr. Irving’s constant references to archives, diaries and letters, and the overwhelming amount of detail in his work, suggest objectivity. In fact they put up a screen behind which a very different agenda is transacted…. Mr Irving is a great obfuscator…. Distortions affect every important aspect of this book to the point of obfuscation…. It is unfortunate that Mr. Irving wastes his extraordinary talents as a researcher and writer on trivializing the greatest crimes in German history, on manipulating historical sources and on highlighting the theatrics of the Nazi era.
This is not “free speech” in these countries with the laws. My last sentence:
“Of course, this is not good enough but it’s the situation we’re in BECAUSE we’ve allowed “sympathy” for Jews based on false “Holocaust” reporting, to dominate. ”
I enjoy free speech in the U.S. as do you. Why don’t you write under your own name? You won’t be arrested or brought in for questioning. I know you’re of an age and retired; no job to worry about. Do you live in a Blue State?
What most people are doing is avoiding any public spotlight, or any disapproval at all. That is not the way to bring awareness to society as a whole. If you’re a respectable person and openly hold these views, that is the best argument in favor of their acceptance. That’s why I show my smiling face on my website. :-))
You write: “So it does not add up to more than 10,000 followers or H deniers on the planet of billions of people, who reject in toto you revisionist claims of no mass murder of the Jews? Correct.”
My response: I am only one Holocaust revisionist. People such as Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, Dr. Arthur Butz, Dr. Robert Faurisson, Jürgen Graf and others have sold far more books than I have. There are far more than 10,000 Holocaust revisionists on the planet.
You write: “I grew up with both family members and an entire community of H survivors and their children.”
My response: I agree with you that there were large numbers of “Holocaust” survivors. They prove that the “Holocaust” did not happen as described.
You ask: “Do you come from a family of liars?”
My response: No.
You ask about David Irving: “Have you read about some of the errors he made?
My response: Yes. In fact, I have written articles about all four of the expert historians hired to denigrate his work at his trial. You can read these four articles at:
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/12/11/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-peter-longerich-on-the-holocaust/
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/12/03/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-christopher-browning-on-the-holocaust/
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/11/26/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-robert-jan-van-pelt-the-case-for-auschwitz/
http://www.wearswar.com/2021/11/19/deborah-lipstadt-richard-j-evans/
You write: “I know of one total made up event of Irving. Irving claimed that a secret Jewish organization was behind Churchill getting into WW2. Fucking lie.”
My response: This group is called The Focus. You can read about it in my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2022/07/15/british-jews-help-instigate-world-war-ii/.
You write: “David Irving was a great straw that broke the camels back. H revisionism has never been the same.”
My response: David Irving never claimed to be a Holocaust historian. He also never intended to try the so-called Holocaust at his trial. The fact that he lost his case does not affect Holocaust revisionism.
My domicile is Canada, and I use the nom de plume HdC for the simple reason that I have neither the monetary resources nor the intestinal fortitude that E. Zuendel demonstrated when he did his work, and was dragged through the Canadian “Judicial” system twice.
In both trials Zuendel was found guilty; but these judgments were overturned by the Supreme Court of Canada.
As a consequence I prefer to vent my spleen anonymously; this also to protect my son and daughter-in-law who both work in a milieu that is most subject, shall we say, to covert pressures. Since my surname is quite rare and distinct, I believe that prudence is the better part of valour.
Your attempt at facetiousness it quite endearing, Fanny baby! Unwittingly you have finally stumbled upon the truth. Thank you for your effort!
They should send you out to find the holy grail. HdC. You are a fantastic sleuth. I mean I was clueless until you gave me those numbers. WTF. And all that time I thought it was millions of Jews. You showed me the light.
Thanks HdC. I agree with your choice. I’m not trying to make people wrong or shame people. But there are a lot of people who are retired and without children who could use their real names, but just don’t because screen-names have become “the thing” and it just feels more comfortable. I do think the more people who are serious about a cause and can use their real names should do so because it’s a stronger statement. There’s something of a selfish element in it for me too. I like to know who people are that I’m talking to and who are talking to me. Names tell us a lot about people–usually race, ethnicity, nationality. Some posters will indicate those things in their screen name, which is helpful. Others want to hide those facts altogether.
I do doubt that anyone would get “in trouble” for stating politically incorrect opinions on a comment board like this. It’s more like talking to a friend or acquaintance than public speaking, so even in a country like Canada now is, it wouldn’t be classified as illegal. Ditto Britain, France, even Germany and Poland. I think the danger is exaggerated. All that said, it does remain the individual’s choice, and should be. In my own case, when I first wrote on such sites I chose a “name” bc everyone else did. I liked doing that, too. It’s fun to pick out any name you like. But when I began writing more, and put up a website which I wanted people to know about, I decided I wanted to “advertise” myself to get the attention to my “work.” I’ve never suffered for it, except for my tendency to become aggressive and make unnecessary enemies … temporarily. It doesn’t last though — it all comes out in the wash, in the end. It has toughened me up, I’ll say that.
I appreciate that you wrote to me about this, and so nicely. I know this–I’d rather have you here as HdC than not at all. -Carolyn
Prima facia H denial Modus Operandi. Pay attention John Wear also: The swimming pool, musical groups, theater et al. was in the main camp, where the SS and administrators resided. It contained a small prisoner population of mostly war criminals, mostly Germans and Poles. The Jewish population was mostly in Auschwitz 2. But you love to twist and confuse, knowing that these life enhancing services were not meant for the Jews. But that is what you want to do. How bad can Auschwitz be? Does the below ring a bell?
This is from Reddit.
Holocaust deniers work by picking very small details, half truths and outright lies, placing them outside of the crucial context for their understanding and from them spinning an unsupported interpretative narrative about the whole of the Holocaust.
‘…David Irving’s historical information proved fraudulent, especially his translations which were clearly manipulated to show the Germans as the victims and the Jews the perpetrators. Historians went back and took another look at his books, and massive amounts of misinformation was found. Have you read about some of the errors he made, and his claim that Hitler picked Irving to be his biographer? I know of one total made up event of Irving. Irving claimed that a secret Jewish organization was behind Churchill getting into WW2. Fucking lie…’
The irony here is that most of your statements are themselves lies. The most charitable explanation is that you’re really quite ignorant of what Irving has written. He’s really quite a good historian; not beyond criticism, but better than most.
Most people that arrived on transports to Auschwitz, were killed on they day that they arrived. They went into the crematorium and were never seen again. Small children, older parents. There were no transports out. There has never been a record found anywhere with the missing Jews names located. No death certificates. People just do not go missing.You can trace people.
You and others say that they are somewhere. But that is not good enough for the rational and the sane. The people who never saw their family members again after the train pulled in. You have no answer. They are all in on of the 60 countries that after the war Jews migrated to. But this is not a game. Most of the people who arrived in Auschwitz never were registered in the camp. There were murdered. You have seen the photos of the almost half a million Hungarian Jews arrive. Almost all of them are dead. They have never been found or listed in any other country.
Where did the missing Jews go? Would you know if your mother went missing when you arrived someplace. And you could not find her anywhere? She vanished, and people tried to tell you that she moved away. When you were just going to the movies with her or out to dinner. Do you think that people are different than you are?
You know where your family is when you are with them and go traveling. Your family does not just vanish.
‘…I do doubt that anyone would get “in trouble” for stating politically incorrect opinions on a comment board like this…’
Largely still true, but you overlook two aspects of this.
First, we’ve already come a long way, baby. I don’t actually conceal or distort my views, but I avoid remarks that twenty years ago I would have made without hesitation. So where will we be ten years from now? No doubt many old Bolsheviks made remarks that in 1922 were perfectly safe but that got them shot in 1938.
We’re going places. That’s for sure. Where precisely is unclear, too. So who knows what significance your track record will hold in the future.
Second, sure, we’re still allowed to splash around in this particular kiddie pool. It’s an aspect of the soft censorship that’s practiced these days. Dissidents aren’t silenced so much as marginalized.
You can say whatever you like. However, should you ever stand for Congress, rest assured that your remarks here will come up. Essentially, shooting your mouth off here means that you can never become a significant public figure — except as an object of vilification. That’s a moot point for most of us — but it is something to be aware of.
‘…The harassment of David Irving continued after his libel suit against Deborah Lipstadt. For example, Irving spent over a year in jail in Austria from 2005-2006 for his views on the so-called Holocaust…’
I’ll also point out that this sentence were for views Irving had expressed sixteen years earlier — views he had apparently modified or even retracted entirely by 1991.
It really is quite incredible. Whatever happened to the concept of a statute of limitations? ‘Holocaust Denial’ — ultimately, the simple expression of an opinion — becomes not merely a crime, but a crime equivalent to murder, or treason.
The whole thing reads like something one might have expected of the medieval Church, or perhaps Stalin’s Russia — but surely not a Twenty-first century state with a professed respect for human rights, etc.
You write: “There has never been a record found anywhere with the missing Jews names located. No death certificates. People just do not go missing.You can trace people.”
My response: Approximately 15 million German expellees were kicked out of their homes after World War II. Can you trace them for me? If you can’t trace them, does that mean that all 15 million of these German expellees died?
What are you talking about.
This discussion has taken a very interesting, and I would say fruitful, turn. But Colin, I would also say you are guilty of overthink, or too much speculation. Is it a good idea to gag yourself in the present, or not allow yourself to express your real thoughts because of what MIGHT happen in the future? Maybe a big difference between you and I is that I very consciously didn’t want to do that from, say, my teen years onward. I didn’t want to make decisions based on future gain or loss (for example, retirement benefits).
When you say this:
… it smacks of fear, and this fear is instilled by the PTB (powers that be), namely, at this time and on this subject, the Jews–the Jewish power establishment. You have seen this, and you earlier said you now realized “The Jews are the Problem” and something must be done about it, that power must be taken away from them. Well, to you and to HdC both, caving in to their “rules” is not going to do it. I was thinking last night, after I wrote and sent my reply to HdC, that I needed to highlight that “obeying” Jewish demands was exactly what they are trying to accomplish, they are quite satisfied when we do it, and that therefore what we say is less effective than what we do.
As I said, most people who spend time here are older and out of the workforce; they will not be running for Congress, or anything else. Even you say it’s “a moot point for most of us.” So the caution to “be aware of” it is so unnecessary. In fact, we should be bolder — not wild, out of control, like Fran, but willing to say it like it is — express what we think & feel as honestly and truthfully as we can, without fear.
Fear is always what’s used to control us — for the benefit of those in control. It’s really fear and over-caution that we have to defeat in ourselves.
You ask: “What are you talking about?”
My response: In your comment number 841, you make statements such as “You and others say that they are somewhere. But that is not good enough for the rational and the sane.”
So, I am asking you, where did the 15 million German expellees go? Just saying they went somewhere west is not good enough for me. You have no answer. Since you can not tell me where the German expelees all went, I have to assume they all died.
I am applying the same logic to the German expellees as you are to the Jews in the so-called Holocaust. That is what I am talking about.
If this is so, then make up a sort of diagram showing & identifying which of your family members were “lost” and to which current members of your family (parents & uncles) they belonged to. If you grew up with these family members and heard their stories, you should be able to do this. I certainly could if there were any such stories in my family; it’s not that large.
There is also the fact of Jews taking this opportunity to go somewhere and create a new identity and new life — always in the West.
Every Jew used to say “all” or “most” of their extended family was murdered in a German “death camp.” But there’s never a name or a single detail. Yet people feel compelled to believe it. What craziness. This is like a mass delusion – that’s what it is. But I think it’s moderating … finally.
‘Fear is always what’s used to control us — for the benefit of those in control. It’s really fear and over-caution that we have to defeat in ourselves.’
This is a conundrum — saying what one thinks vs. consideration of the consequences. After all, it’s not as if we still live in a free society.
However, one has to think about what’s going to happen — and what the actual effect will be. For example, I used to run around with a ‘Free Palestine’ bumper sticker on my car. But when I moved up here, I looked at that and thought, ‘am I actually going to convert anyone around here with that?’
I went over to a Remember the Liberty bumper sticker. That one might actually get a few people looking up the case, and starting to head down the road I’d like to see them on.
To some extent, I feel the same way about Holocaust Denial. It’s not just a matter of what the facts are — it’s a question of ‘does it do any good?’
On the one hand, so what if several million Jews were exterminated? Over the course of history, lots of groups suffered similar or greater losses — either proportionately or in absolute terms. Proving or disproving the Holocaust occurred doesn’t mean as much as some seem to think it would. One can agree it happened — and simply see the event as being of limited significance. After all, by now almost everyone involved is dead anyway. At some point, it’s going to have all the moral significance of determining whether the Mongols really did kill twenty million Chinese in the Thirteenth Century.
But, at the same time, hammering on the issue shuts out large groups that might otherwise be drawn into considering the more immediate issues discussed on this site: the death of white America, the nonsense in the Ukraine, racial differences, etc.
From my point of view, several topics on this site simply serve to marginalize the whole community: Holocaust denial and 9/11 Trutherism come to mind. Obviously, free speech is more or less this site’s reason for being, and I won’t suggest you all be silenced — but it would be nice if other issues came to the fore.
There are more important battles to fight. Why advance extravagant theories about 9/11 for example? Isn’t it going to be more useful to hammer on the point that Israel clearly knew the attack was going to happen and let it happen? Doesn’t that lead to much the same point while being a slam-dunk as far as proof goes? I can refuse to consider your argument about the temperature of jet fuel and the structural integrity of sky scrapers — but if you stick to the five dancing Israelis, can I evade the significance of that?
To return to your initial point, you see the issue as being one of your right to say whatever you please, without fear of consequences. Well, that would be nice, and if this were 2005, I’d agree with you.
These days…I think we need to fight to win. This is all too important to satisfy honor with some intellectual Banzai charge. I don’t want Ron to introduce censorship, so practically speaking, I’m not demanding anything from you at all. However, I am stating my point of view. Right now, we all need to think about the consequences not just of what we do, but of what we say.
First you say they didn’t exist; when forced to admit they did, you say they were only in the main camp. No.
1. The SS and administrators (the SS were the administrators) did not reside in the main camp, but outside the camp. The SS did not hang around inside with the prisoners as the fables indicate. It was the job of the capos (fellow inmates) to enforce the rules and keep order. It is my understanding that SS guards never went inside the barracks except under special conditions, thus they were not inside “beating the residents with sticks,” or checking on who made their bed, etc.
2. There were a lot of musical groups in Birkenau, more than in the main camp. The majority of the “self-forming” discussion/educational groups were in Birkenau (pg. 22 of my booklet); they could also join the theatre groups, and fyi the theatre building was outside the camp perimeter fence, yet the inmates went there to work on the plays & musicals (pg. 27 of my booklet). https://carolynyeager.net/auschwitz-underground-guided-tour
3. Inmates walked between the camps (1 & 2) with ease, and “trustys” were often sent from one to the other with messages and dispatches, and also packages & material goods.
4. That there were a lot of Poles and other non-Jews in the main camp is true. That’s why the art museum was requested (by a Polish artist) and created there. Poles are good artists; Jews are crappy artists. Even Non-Artists. That’s why they set out to ruin Art. All the “abstract” art movements, beginning with Cubism, Expressionism and Dada, were initiated by Jews. Jews became the “new artists” and Jewish buyers pushed their prices up, up, up.
So once again, the point you’re trying to make falls flat on its face. And your unnamed, too long copy & paste from Reddit does not explain away these facts. It’s telling that you never present information in your own words — you’re too illiterate to do it.
Yeager still peddling that the labor camps having libraries, theater, camp hospital etc. is for her the sense of uncovering Area 51. These facilities were common place in the labor camps in Soviet Russia, what does all this mean?! Incentives to increase labor output while making some standards of living the camp life. #shocking
The same with camp money, Yeager gets triple excited over this–yet as the currency (more vouchers than money) were not redeemable outside of the camp, they remained as in house script to again apply normalises to living the camp life. #shocking
In the Gulag post was also allowed. #shocking
‘…(e.g., the “holocoaster”)…’
You have to admit that ‘the holocoaster’ suggests quite a theme park. I wonder if Disney would go for it?
Well it is not the same logic. I am trying to figure out whether your brain is landlocked, or there is an inability for you to understand the basic information of Jewish transports to Auschwitz. I am at a loss, and you have been given this information many many times. Did any of the 15 million German expellees go missing? Did a parent show up without children? Did children show up without their parents wherever these germans were expelled. Were neighbors families never heard from again. Did relatives of the 15 million report them missing? I assume that those expelled retained identities to new locations and continued their life. I am sure they had correspondences, jobs and finally death certificates.
The way it worked on the Auschwitz train platform there was a selection process by the SS. I have shown you photographs. Families were separated on site, within a moment in time. Those not selected to enter the camp went into one of the 5 crematoriums located at Auschwitz and were never seen again. There were no transports out. These people often small children and older people could not be relocated and survive on their own. They died in the crematorium. It is a story told thousands upon thousands of times.
Something like this:
https://www.hdot.org/vanpelt/#
I was standing there not knowing what’s going on, overwhelmed with the amount of people around us, not believing that they threw us all out from these wagons in the manner they did. How they pushed and shoved and screamed. And these SS men with the dogs in front of us. I lost sight of what was going on. It’s crazy. And I was standing with my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law with her little girl, when someone approached us, and said, “give this child to the grandmother.” And my sister-in-law gave the child to my mother-in-law. They went to the left, and we went to the right.
So I am asking you John.
-Do you understand the selection process at the train ramps in Auschwitz, the healthy, those who could work were registered in the camp. The old, sick and small children were sent to the crematorium.
-Do your realize that all of these people could not be registered in the camp, not enough space?
-Do you understand how people saw their family members disappear along a path and never saw or heard from again. These are missing people. These people died in the crematorium as all empirical evidence indicates. I know you do not believe they were murdered, but as I have said they disappeared and you trying to compare it do expelled Germans that were part of no transport to camps is a more then a little bit nutty. PEOPLE DISAPPEARED AT THE CREMATORIUM!!!
I am combining post with Carolyn asking for names and family members, because she is so fucking lost. See below. Furthermore I am not answering any questions regarding my relatives. I have a cousin Lara who has done amazing research on the history of pre Holocaust pre European Jewry of er family. She has traveled to the Ukraine for research. She has unbelievable documents on line. You can see some of her records. The list of names below is my cousins not mine.
https://larasgenealogy.blogspot.com
These people were first forced to live in a ghetto and then shot by the Einsatzgruppen.
Do you believe that these people were shot in one day when the Ghetto was liquidated? Or do you deny the Eisatzgruppen as well. Do you think this was all fabricated.
Sienkiewiczówka, Poland
78 years ago 2nd day Chol Chol Hamoed Sukkot, the Nazis “liquidated” the ghetto in Senkevichevka, Ukraine. Among those murdered were: The list of names below is my cousins not mine.

My mother’s grandfather, Moshe Dovid Fine (age 80)
My mother’s father, Avrohom Beitsch (age 57)
My mother’s sister, Molly Beitsch (age 18)
My mother’s aunt & uncle, Sara Fine Wollich (age 51) and Yosef Wollich (age 55)
My mother’s first cousin, Cheike Wollich Chechman (age 32), her husband Mendel Chechman, and their daughter Devora Chechman (age 7)
My mother’s aunt, Baila Fine (age 45)
My father’s parents Avrohom Tzvi Diamant (age 65) and Tzivia Suttleman Diamant (age 54)
My father’s sister and brother-in-law Kreina Diamant Mazurik (age 26) and David Mazurik
My father’s niece Rivka Mazurik (age 5)
My father’s brother Shlomo Diamant (age 14)
Below is a photo of the selection process on the ramp at the train station at Auschwitz
‘…You have to admit that ‘the holocoaster’ suggests quite a theme park. I wonder if Disney would go for it?’
This got me thinking. Rides…
It’s not as whacked out as it sounds. Budapest, for example, has a 1956 display that isn’t quite a ride but has a distinctly non-museum quality to it.
Okay, there are practical limitations. I mean, The Red Army Rape Experience won’t work. Depending on how you work it, you might be able to get riders, or you might be able to get staff, but you couldn’t recruit both for the same ride. At least, I prefer to think you couldn’t.
Then, too, some would just be dull. ‘The Frank Family Attic’? I’ll pass.
‘Dresden Night’ would work. So would ‘Their Finest Hour.’ ‘Kamikaze Run’? That last one could be kind of like ‘California Soaring’ or whatever it is.
Hey: screw Disney Princesses (not literally). How about something for the guys? And hey: it’ll be politically correct. We’ll make ‘The Holocoaster’ all solemn and shit.
‘…Did any of the 15 million German expellees go missing? ‘
In point of fact, about two million did.
To all the revisionist and deniers. Bad news. New PBS documentary by Ken Burns on wait for it
The Holocaust. Bound to be a tear Jerker. Most of his documentaries are especially the one on the civil war.
https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/us-and-the-holocaust/
Glad you finally realize that you were wrong all along.
Glad to help you get on the right path.
I am really happy to see that you got your panties in a wad over the German Sterbebuecher, and the report from the International Red Cross.
It proves once and for all that you cherry pick the documents that you can twist to support your narrative.
Unfortunately for you and your tribe, you cannot do that with scientific laws, engineering principles, and logistics restrictions.
That’s why you resort to shrill caterwauling, synthetic outrage, crocodile tears, when confronted with the points mentioned.
The holy six million are in the public domain.
Any time, anywhere, there is a talk of the holohoax, it is always 6 million.
Show me one public newspaper, TV news story, where the holohoax is mentioned, and it is NOT six million Jews.
Well they must be dead not missing? That is the entire point.
Yes I mentioned the number to all my family the 271,ooo dead, and they were so relieved that all of the relatives were alive (at the time, but dead now of course.). They were so relieved HdC. Wow. You straightened us all out.
You do know of course that over a million Jews passed thru Auschwitz never having registered at the camp?
“…The more muffles the hotter and faster the burn rate…”.
“The hotter???” You are a scientific illiterate.
The combustion temperature is controlled to hit a happy medium between cremation time and fire brick linings life expectancy.
The operating temperature has absolutely nothing to do with the number of muffles attached to that furnace.
A furnace would require construction of more heat resisting fire bricks, which are much more expensive that the run-of-the mill type of fire bricks.
Can you supply documentation that would support this?
You’re such scum. I have never acted “triple excited” over camp money — I’ve never written about it at all. It’s the least of my interests in camp life & lore. You just make things up, like all the low-life slithering trolls.
You ask: “Did any of the 15 million German expellees go missing? ”
My response: Yes. Estimates vary widely, but the most common estimate is that 2.1 German expellees died during the process of losing all of their real estate and moving to rump Germany.
Notable authorities have estimated a much higher number of German expellee deaths. For example, Konrad Adenauer, the first Chancellor of West Germany, estimated that 6 million German expellees died. Adenauer stated:
“According to American figures a total of 13.3 million Germans were expelled from the Eastern parts of Germany, from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, and so on. 7.3 million [German expellees] arrived in the Eastern zone and the three Western zones, most of these in the latter. Six million Germans have vanished from the earth. They are dead, gone. Most of the 7.3 million who stayed alive are women, children, and old people.” (Source: Adenauer, Konrad, Memoirs, 1945-1953, translated by Beate Ruhm von Oppen, Chicago: Henry Regnery Co., 1966, p. 148).
You ask: “Do you understand the selection process at the train ramps in Auschwitz, the healthy, those who could work were registered in the camp. The old, sick and small children were sent to the crematorium.”
My response: There was a selection process at Auschwitz-Birkenau. However, since there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, those not healthy enough to work were not killed in homicidal gas chambers. The nonexistence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau has been scientifically proven and is by now well documented. Also, please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482 for a discussion of some of the many Jewish survivors at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
‘Well they must be dead not missing? That is the entire point.’
? If you’re coming to me for Holocaust Denial, you’re knocking on the wrong door.
‘…Show me one public newspaper, TV news story, where the holohoax is mentioned, and it is NOT six million Jews.’
I’ve gotta admit you’ve got a point. I ran a search on ‘Holocaust Jews’ and the first four sites to mention a figure all said ‘six million.’
It’s weird. It’s become a point of religious conviction. Like the Holy Trinity, not really open to rational debate.
‘Six million’ is not an indefensible figure — but how could anyone seriously claim to know within half a million? It’s like determining the pre-Columbian population of Mexico and settling on twenty five million — and only twenty five million. Twenty million and thirty million are both right out.
I suppose it’s a reaction to Holocaust Denial. Some definite figure has to be chosen — and defended with absolute certainty. No matter what. No matter what unknowns there are. There must be no doubt.
Well, understandable — but not particularly convincing. Considering the uncertainties, I wouldn’t care to bet serious money on anything more precise than ‘between four million and seven million.’
…not that we’ll ever actually know, of course. Not at this juncture.
So the missing Germans are dead. That makes sense and is tragic, a tragic loss of civilian life from a diabolical ruling cult called the third reich based on racial purity and stratus of humans into people who can live prosperously the Aryan and the others who must serve them. These people brought ruination to their country.
You realize that this paragraph is written by someone who is divorced from reality. Those people died. Maybe they were given sleeping pills and thrown into the crematorium alive. But they died in the crematorium and were then incinerated.
I feel really bad for you John that you are waisting your life on this irrational illogical Jew hatred.
Yad Vashem has the figure of 4.5 million. The window is closing.
I don’t recognize this as being my initial point. My initial point was, and I quote:
“Is it a good idea to gag yourself in the present, or not allow yourself to express your real thoughts because of what MIGHT happen in the future?”
You’ve gone off on a whole other theme now, as you always tend to do. I was not using the term “free speech.” That was “anarchyst” and I was just replying to him.
When have you ever fought? What I see is that you think and talk yourself out of it. You haven’t said lately, “Jews are the problem.” Are you now too concerned for the possible consequences? Now it’s just “the death of White America.” For which there may be multiple causes …
You write: “So the missing Germans are dead. That makes sense and is tragic, a tragic loss of civilian life from a diabolical ruling cult called the third reich based on racial purity and stratus of humans into people who can live prosperously the Aryan and the others who must serve them. These people brought ruination to their country.”
My response: Germany was not primarily responsible for starting World War II. You can read my book on this website about this subject at https://www.unz.com/book/author/john_wear/, or if you want to purchase a copy, you can buy my book at https://barnesreview.org/product/germanys-war/.
Even if you think that Germany started World War II, that still does not justify the mass expulsion and resulting loss of life of so many millions of Germans.
The fate of the German expellees has been ignored in most universities and high schools. The extreme hardships and suffering the expellees experienced has been pushed aside, if not totally forgotten. People have thus been deprived of an important history lesson: mass expulsions are almost invariably unjust and inhumane. American historian R. M. Douglas writes:
“The most important lesson of the expulsion of the Germans, then, is that if these operations cannot be carried out under circumstances in which brutality, injustice, and needless suffering are inevitable, they cannot be carried out at all. A firm appreciation of this truth, and a determination to be guided by it at all times and in every situation, however enticing the alternative may momentarily seem, is the most appropriate memorial that can be erected to this tragic, unnecessary, and, we must resolve, never to be repeated episode in Europe’s and the world’s recent history.” (Source: Douglas, R. M., Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War, New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 2012, p. 374).
WRONG. It was there from the very beginning, at the IMT in Nuremberg, long before your favorite term “Holocaust Denial” was ever dreamed up!
Why is it understandable? It’s only understandable in connection with Jews being inveterate liars. What other reason can there be?
It is not just the Germans that were expelled. Polish towns changed hands from Poland to Ukraine and then Russian. My friends family could not return to their home in Poland which was now Russian. This happened all over Europe. But you must remember that your claim that Germany did not start the war and has been mistreated is BS. Germany inflicted much damage to the world. All the racial purity and treatment of the Slavs and other ethnics was crazy. The Third Reich wanted to run the world and nearly ruined it.
‘These people brought ruination to their country.’
Something like what the Jews brought on themselves, then?
Or were the dead Jews somehow innocent but the dead Germans guilty? Perhaps you could explain the distinction?
‘The Holocaust. Bound to be a tear Jerker…’
That’ll be a novelty.
You write: “But you must remember that your claim that Germany did not start the war and has been mistreated is BS.”
My response: It was far more than 15 million German expellees that were mistreated after the war.
German deaths after the war can be divided into three groups of people. The first group is the German POWs in both Europe and the Soviet Union. The second group is the German expellees, and the third group is the Germans already residing in Germany. While no one will ever know how many Germans died from 1945 to 1950, it is certain that these deaths far exceed most traditional estimates. The great majority of these deaths were caused by the lethal policies imposed by the Allies on Germany after the war.
A conservative estimate of German deaths in the Allied POW camps is 1.5 million. This includes over 517,000 POW deaths in the Soviet Union, 100,000 POW deaths in Yugoslavia, Poland and other countries, with the remaining POW deaths in U.S. and French camps. The Germans who died in these Allied POW camps suffered miserably from exposure, disease, and slow starvation. This well-documented Allied atrocity is still denied by most historians today.
An estimated 5.7 million Germans already residing in Germany died from the starvation policies implemented by the Allies. James Bacque details how this 5.7 million death total is calculated:
“The population of all occupied Germany in October 1946 was 65,000,000, according to the census prepared under the ACC. The returning prisoners who were added to the population in the period October 1946-September 1950 numbered 2,600,000 (rounded), according to records in the archives of the four principal Allies. Births according to the official German statistical agency, Statistisches Bundesamt, added another 4,176,430 newcomers to Germany. The expellees arriving totaled 6,000,000. Thus the total population in 1950 before losses would have been 77,776,430, according to the Allies themselves. Deaths officially recorded in the period 1946-50 were 3,235,539, according to the UN Yearbook and the German government. Emigration was about 600,000, according to the German government. Thus the population found should have been 73,940,891. But the census of 1950 done by the German government under Allied supervision found only 68,230,796. There was a shortage of 5,710,095 people, according to the official Allied figures (rounded to 5,700,000).” (Source: Bacque, James, Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians under Allied Occupation, 1944-1950, 2nd edition, Vancouver, British Columbia: Talonbooks, 2007, pp. 115-116).
The sum of 1.5 million German POWs, 2.1 million German expellees, and 5.7 million German residents equals the minimum estimate of 9.3 million Germans who died needlessly after the war. This is more Germans than died during the Second World War. Millions of these Germans slowly starved to death while the Allies withheld available food. The majority of these postwar dead Germans were women, children and very old men. Their deaths have never been honestly reported by the Allies, the German government, or most historians.
If there were grand swimming pools and all those other swell resort-like amenities at Auschwitz then why did Anne Frank and her family waste over two years hiding out in a draughty attic?
Am I missing something here?
I’ve read it several times, and I can only get a meaning that the author could not have intended! I think there’s a “not” missing somewhere, or else one too many. Can anyone point out where I’m wrong.
Otherwise, fine comment from John. Although I could quibble with this line: “People have thus been deprived of an important history lesson: mass expulsions are almost invariably unjust and inhumane.” There have been many mass expulsions of Jews in history from nations that Jews had moved into in what became large numbers, and not because boundaries or borders had been changed by fiat (like with the Germans in Poland, Czechoslovakia, & Yugoslavia) but because they were deemed a parasitical element preying on the resources of the national folk and doing them grave damage. So I think some distinction needs to be made in that sentence.
Again, I really don’t want to keep “blowing my own horn” in this exchange, but I don’t know a better resource detailing how Ultra-Orthodox Jews are right now creating this very situation in New York and New Jersey USA: https://carolynyeager.net/special-treatment-jews. A 16-article series on Jewish corruption and crime in Gentile communities — just look at the article titles & lead photos.
You ask: “If there were grand swimming pools and all those other swell resort-like amenities at Auschwitz then why did Anne Frank and her family waste over two years hiding out in a draughty attic?”
My response: Maybe they were afraid they would be sent to a camp where there wasn’t a swimming pool.
I think R. M. Douglas is basically saying that mass expulsions should never be carried out when they inevitably result in brutality, injustice and needless suffering. His phrasing of this sentiment is perhaps awkward and confusing.
It think it is interesting to note that more than 20 times as many ethnic Germans were expelled from their homelands after World War II as there were Jews in Germany and Austria when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany. These ethnic Germans lost essentially all of their possessions and were exported under brutal conditions in which probably 2 million of them died. The fate of the German expellees constitutes a far greater crime under current international law than Hitler’s attempted forced expulsion of Jews from Germany. However, the fate of the German expellees is hardly ever mentioned by historians or in the mass media.
Additionally, Frank senior would not have been able to carry on his criminal financial activities.
He would have been forced to carry out physical work!
One would think that the grade 1 arithmetic of 6 – 4 = 2 would be graspable by the “brainy” Jews and newspaper types, even though many of these hated “maths”. (the numbers above were divided by 1 million).
This fact alone ought to be sufficient to question that whole holohoax swindle.
One may notice that 2 million is getting dangerously close to the real numbers of 80,000 + 271,000 = 351,000.
Let’s give Franny the benefit of the doubt and make it a nice round number of 500,000, due to Einsatzgruppen action and the time period the Sterbebuecher do not cover.
With that number, the public would wave it off as “gimme a break” and go back to their entertainment du jour.
And “we” cannot have that, can we, as this may seriously affect the cash flow from the USA to the poor Jews!
‘…The sum of 1.5 million German POWs, 2.1 million German expellees, and 5.7 million German residents equals the minimum estimate of 9.3 million Germans who died needlessly after the war. This is more Germans than died during the Second World War. Millions of these Germans slowly starved to death while the Allies withheld available food. The majority of these postwar dead Germans were women, children and very old men. Their deaths have never been honestly reported by the Allies, the German government, or most historians.’
I think you undermine your own point here by adding dubious and undemonstrated points to what is clear and documented.
‘5.7 million German residents’ having died in the post-war years is conceivable — but I’m skeptical. Compiling census figures from different sources and pointing to the resulting bottom line is hardly a definitive proof for what is a remarkable claim.
Worse are Bacque’s claims concerning hundreds of thousands of German POW’s dead at the hands of the Western Allies. These were treated badly — often unnecessarily so — however, I’ve looked at the claims of mass deaths, and they don’t seem to hold water. They also don’t match the accounts I’ve read in German memoirs, which suggest often extremely unpleasant conditions, but rarely fatal ones.
We could fight about this, but as with 9/11, I prefer to stick to what clearly did happen: the massive mistreatment of German POW’s — and enslaved German civilians! — in the Soviet Union, the all-but genocidal and morally quite indefensible assault deliberately unleashed on the ethnic Germans of Eastern Europe and the populations of East Prussia, Silesia, and Pomerania, the gratuitously vicious air war waged against the German civilian population — particularly in the closing months of the war, when it was quite obviously won.
Curiously, you would repeat the same error those who bang the Holocaust drum make; you would add the dubious and unverifiable to the real, thinking it strengthens your case. As we’ve seen with lampshades made out of human skin and the fabulous experiments of Doctor Mengele, no, it doesn’t. It opens the way to doubting all the claims for those who are inclined to do so.
The net effect is that you will wind up preaching to the converted. Sure, Carolyn Yeager will applaud — but she already believed. Meantime, Joe Blow wanders onto your site, sees some of your less likely claims, checks them, discovers they’re hardly universally accepted, and dismisses everything you’ve said.
I think the most effective way of arguing — and the surest way of arriving at the truth — is to stick to what can definitely be verified, and build on that.
More of Franny’s Transference:
“…Germany inflicted much damage to the world…”.
“…The Third Reich wanted to run the world and nearly ruined it…”.
Replace “Germany” with “Jews” and “Judea”, and you have it right.
Many (most?) of the advisers to Churchill and Roosevelt were Jewish, and these relentlessly pushed for war with Germany.
This went so far as propounding the incessant fire bombing of German civilians.
Hence my admonition: “Whatever you see/read/hear in the mass media about Germany and the two wars, the exact opposite is much, MUCH, closer to the truth”.
‘The so-called Holocaust is important in promoting Jewish/Zionist interests…’
That’s certainly true. In particular, it confers on Jews ‘virtuous victim’ status. ‘See all the awful things that happened to them? They need one place where they are safe.’ I’ve actually seen this play out in an Evangelical Church. The sweet little old white lady gets up and actually starts crying as she describes the suffering of those poor Jews and how now they’re being attacked in Israel, their last refuge.
Well, the logical problems with that are obvious, but as I’ve just described, it works.
However, other than that, there’s the question of Jewish identity. Eighty years ago Jews had no problem identifying who they were: they were Jews. They observed the Sabbath, often lived in their own areas of the city, had their own schools, etc.
These days? Well, I saw a survey that asked Jews what the most important elements in Jewish identity were. As I recall, the Holocaust and Israel came in first and second.
For many Jews, it’s all that’s left. Absent the Holocaust and Israel, in what way are they distinct from their gentile neighbors? So they instinctively cling to these. It’s like if all you have left of the home you grew up in a picture that used to hang on the living room wall and a ghastly crystal vase, well, you keep them. Good luck on your wife getting you to throw them away.
Again, the logic is deficient — but it works. Thou shalt honor the Holocaust and Israel, and the one justifies the other.
“…Maybe they were given sleeping pills and thrown into the crematorium alive. ..”.
More of Franny’s sick fantasy at work. Or, Projection.
You wouldn’t have any authenticated proof for your fantasy, would you? Perhaps purchase orders or better yet, “eye witnesses” who will swear they they were forced to unload these diabolical “vitamin” pills.
You write: “Worse are Bacque’s claims concerning hundreds of thousands of German POW’s dead at the hands of the Western Allies. These were treated badly — often unnecessarily so — however, I’ve looked at the claims of mass deaths, and they don’t seem to hold water. They also don’t match the accounts I’ve read in German memoirs, which suggest often extremely unpleasant conditions, but rarely fatal ones.”
My response: I have written extensively on this subject. If you have an interest, please read my articles at:
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7295
https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/4/6979
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7212
Or, if you like, you can read James Bacque’s book Other Losses, which is available in many public libraries.
Although I prefer the general number of 300.000 if the number represents actual murdered or killed Jews who would not have died otherwise, your comment is appreciated. Shouldn’t we separate concentration camp deaths from other deaths, like Einsatzgruppen, etc. which are understood to be unreliable? What does the 80,000 represent? It would be nice if you provided a source or two.
Maybe it should be framed: How many Jewish deaths at the hands of the Hitler regime can be proven?
Seems like you have similar problems as with your H denial. Your data is way off. I guess you have given up on proving me wrong on the Hungarian Jews killed in Auschwitz, as you cannot find the Jews that entered the crematorium and never came out. So you switched to a what about ism about what happened to the Germans is much worse.
You ignored my post #853 and never disputed my family members that were shot. Do you dispute this? Do you deny that the Einsatzgruppen shot Jews when “liquidating” ghettos in the East?
Let me give you this information again. Since you ignored it. You cannot dispute it. The Germans systematically mass murdered the Jews as a pre mediated plan. They deported and killed over 400,000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz in 3 months. My family was shot by the Einsatzruppen, like many Jews in ghettos. Your history of the German atrocities would be studied a lot more if you dropped you sociopathic H denial. DOA no one is going to listen to you. In case you missed it Carolyn is a sociopath as well. Mentally deranged.
These people were first forced to live in a ghetto and then shot by the Einsatzgruppen.
Do you believe that these people were shot in one day when the Ghetto was liquidated? Or do you deny the Eisatzgruppen as well. Do you think this was all fabricated.
Sienkiewiczówka, Poland
78 years ago 2nd day Chol Chol Hamoed Sukkot, the Nazis “liquidated” the ghetto in Senkevichevka, Ukraine. Among those murdered were: The list of names below is my cousins not mine.

My mother’s grandfather, Moshe Dovid Fine (age 80)
My mother’s father, Avrohom Beitsch (age 57)
My mother’s sister, Molly Beitsch (age 18)
My mother’s aunt & uncle, Sara Fine Wollich (age 51) and Yosef Wollich (age 55)
My mother’s first cousin, Cheike Wollich Chechman (age 32), her husband Mendel Chechman, and their daughter Devora Chechman (age 7)
My mother’s aunt, Baila Fine (age 45)
My father’s parents Avrohom Tzvi Diamant (age 65) and Tzivia Suttleman Diamant (age 54)
My father’s sister and brother-in-law Kreina Diamant Mazurik (age 26) and David Mazurik
My father’s niece Rivka Mazurik (age 5)
My father’s brother Shlomo Diamant (age 14)
Like Bischof says: You lack common sense. That is true of everything you write John. You lack common sense. All of those Jews went into a crematorium upon arrival at Auschwitz and never left. Odds are they were murdered and cremated in the Crematorium. It is just common sense. Unless you are mentally deranged.
From wiki
https://archive.org/details/other-losses_hd A one-hour film. James Bacque’s attempt to fight back against the Holocaust Industry’s efforts to discredit his findings. They were vicious against him and his books.
Colin Wright writes:
Oh yeah, you’re quite the expert researcher. Where have you looked? On Wikipedia?
I guess when someone writes a memoir, it’s because they have survived, anyway. How many ‘memoirs’ have you read? Please don’t gaslight us.
‘…My response: I have written extensively on this subject. If you have an interest, please read my articles at…’
I did read the first of your articles, and there does seem to be some substance to your claims. The Wikipedia article, too, is equivocal, which is telling. I would have expected it to unhesitatingly condemn the vile heresy, but it doesn’t:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque
No one seems to think Bacque is an outright fraud — and most of the more honest seem to feel his claims have considerable merit. I think the most substantial question is whether the death toll was really as high as claimed, and what would have been a reasonable toll regardless of the intentions of the Allies. After all, five million prisoners really is a lot, many of those would have been wounded, and food genuinely was in short supply post-war Europe. So if five million prisoners were held under such conditions for an average of six months, one would expect some significant mortality: a hundred thousand?
The question becomes how far was it in excess of that, and how widespread was intentional abuse?
It doesn’t help that of course many orthodox historians — and rather typically, German historians — seem more interested in dismissing the claims than in dispassionately evaluating their merits.
I will point out that death tolls are chronically exaggerated. I can remember seventy thousand still being offered back in the Sixties as the death toll for the German raid on Rotterdam in 1940 — it turns out to have been less than a thousand. Initially, it was asserted that 4.5 million had been killed at Auschwitz — no one holds out for much more than a million now. The more florid claims for the total number of deaths Stalin could be held responsible for once ran as high as sixty million — the opening of Soviet archives suggest a (relatively!) modest toll of ten million.
Curious how ten million sounds small if you start with sixty million…but I digress.
So at this point, I’d have to say while obviously Bacque has a point, it’s perfectly possible the million-odd he claims died could turn out to be some fraction of that after careful analysis. After all, that’s often what happens.
‘…Maybe it should be framed: How many Jewish deaths at the hands of the Hitler regime can be proven?’
Aside from your obvious (it really is obvious) bias, I think there’s a fatal flaw in your approach to historical questions.
You think that things generally can be proven. No, more often, they can’t — and even things we thought happened for sure turn out not to have happened, while things that sound like inventions turn out to have actually occurred. For decades the great tank clash at Prokhorovka (sp?) during the battle of Kursk was a historical fact: it was routinely recounted, was the subject of wargame scenarios, formed the centerpiece of works of popular history.
It didn’t happen at all. The Russian commanders concerned invented it rather than let Stalin find out they had managed to literally run one hundred tanks into a ditch.
Conversely, we have the ‘myth’ of the German volunteers advancing singing Deutschland uber Alles at First Ypres. Sounds like the sort of thing Nazi propagandists would dream up. But it did happen: British sources confirm it.
So the point is that much can’t be proven, and even if you think it’s proven, it may turn out to be false. History is not necessarily a matter of certainties. It can be almost like picking stocks: it’s a game of probabilities. How likely is to have have happened, or how close is the truth likely to be to what was just claimed?
Take — for example — Wear’s recent assertions concerning the treatment of German POW’s by the Western Allies. Okay — looks like much of what he claims is indeed true. Is all of it? Notta necessariree. Given the way ‘facts’ seem to wander around, settle down somewhere for a while, then maybe move off a bit when the latest Young Turk has at them, I don’t see any reason to say, ‘yes, you’re right’ or ‘no, you’re wrong.’
It’s pretty clear at this point that he’s partly right. How partly, I don’t know enough to say.
Ditto for everything — in particular, for the Holocaust. One will never know all of it for sure. However, one can look at the cumulative weight of the evidence and say, ‘I think most of this happened.’ Claiming it’s all made up,’ or conversely, ‘it’s all true and the Germans knew it was happening’ are both inherently attractive absolutes — but improbable ones.
History just isn’t that way. If you want certainty — or even clarity — stick to mathematics.
You use Wikipedia’s summary of the conference held in New Orleans by eight historians to attempt to discredit James Bacque.
My response: “Eisenhower and the German POWs” is a really mediocre book. The following is a review of this book I wrote on Amazon back in June 2014:
“Eisenhower and the German POWs” is an attempt by historians Stephen Ambrose, Günter Bischof, Brian Loring Villa, Albert Cowdrey, James Tent, Rüdiger Overmans, Rolf Steininger, and Thomas Barker to debunk the book “Other Losses” by James Bacque. The editors in the Preface state that these historians “responded to our invitation to meet for a two-day symposium at the Eisenhower Center in December, 1990.” In my opinion, their presentations leave much to be desired and fail miserably in their intended effect.
Günter Bischof states on page 201 that the use of common sense provides one of the best ways to refute Bacque’s claim that the Western Allies mass murdered approximately one million German prisoners of war (POWs). Bischof asks: “How could the bodies disappear without one soldier’s coming forward in nearly fifty years to relieve his conscience?” Bischof then contradicts himself on page 224 by saying that American soldier Martin Brech has come forward to bear witness to the intentional starvation of German POWs. Today numerous American soldiers and officers have testified to the mass murder of Germans in the American and French POW camps. From low-ranking soldiers such as Martin Brech, Daniel McConnell, and Merrill W. Campbell, through middle-rank officers such as Ben H. Jackson, Frederick Siegfriedt, and Lee Berwick, to high-ranking officers such as Richard Steinbach, Henry W. Allard, James B. Mason, Charles H. Beasley, Mark Clark, and Herbert Pollack, Americans have described the lethal conditions in the American and French POW camps.
On page 232 Bischof says: “Bacque begs common sense, as Stephen E. Ambrose has pointed out; if one million German POWs died in American camps, how could the bodies disappear without a trace?” The answer is that Germans have been permitted to dig up mass graves of prisoners at former Russian camps, but the German government has often prevented the uncovering of evidence from the French and American POW camps. For example, Otto Tullius, a German prisoner who survived Bretzenheim, was a farmer who owned some of the land where he was imprisoned. After the camp was closed, the land was returned to Tullius, and he began farming there again. As Tullius plowed the land, he kept turning up cast-offs from the prisoners in the camp such as flasks, belt buckles, and tin dishes. In the 1980s, Otto Schmitt began to excavate on the land beside the Tullius house, searching for more artifacts or even bodies from the camp. Schmitt was forced to stop his excavation work when the police threatened him with a fine of 250,000 DM. There have been other instances where the bodies of dead German POWs have been found but not reported.
On page 207 Bischof makes the false claim that the Ebensee camp in Austria was not a German POW camp. Therefore, Bacque’s use of Gen. Mark Clark’s report of horrific conditions in the camp should not be used to indicate an Allied policy of starvation of German POWs. However, Gen. Mark Clark’s secret report about the condition of German POWs at Ebensee, a U.S. Army medical report titled “Report of Nutritional Survey of Disarmed Enemy Forces in Austria,” and numerous eyewitnesses all prove that Ebensee was a German POW camp. Ebensee was not principally a camp for displaced persons as Bischof claims.
Rüdiger Overmans on page 159 states that three-quarters of the missing members of the Wehrmacht were registered in the USSR or eastern and southeastern Europe. Overmans says there were almost no missing persons in the West. Overmans’ misrepresentation was exposed by Dr. Margarethe Bitter, who founded the committee that culminated in the Adenauer government’s report about the missing German POWs. Dr. Bitter said that it was not true that the committee determined the location of the missing POWs. Overmans’ statement can thus be seen as an anti-Soviet fiction generated to hide the high death rate of German POWs in the Western Allies’ camps.
Overmans, Rolf Steiniger and others in this book use the Maschke Commission to refute Bacque’s estimates of German POW deaths. The Maschke Commission, which was set up by the German government to investigate the fate of German POWs, officially completed its work at the end of 1972. A modest amount of its series of 22 books was sold, mainly to universities and research libraries. Willy Brandt has admitted that the books edited by Dr. Erich Maschke were financed and censored by the West German Foreign Office in order to serve German foreign policy. Dr. Maschke’s figures are demonstrably wrong. For example, the Maschke U.S. wartime capture figure of 3,761,431 is more than 2,000,000 lower than the true U.S. total capture in North Africa, Italy and northern Europe. The Maschke Commission estimate of 1,094,250 German POW deaths in Soviet camps is also far higher than the amount of 517,068 recorded in Soviet archives.
The Soviet archives also make outdated the chapter by Thomas Barker in “Eisenhower and the German POWs” about the work of Nikolai Dimitrievich Tolstoy-Miloslavsky, who was successfully sued in Great Britain for libel by Lord Aldington. Barker on page 187 says that Tolstoy was forced into bankruptcy by the suit. However, with the opening of the Soviet archives, important elements affecting Tolstoy’s case were revealed. Tolstoy found Soviet documents proving that, in 1945 as a British officer, Lord Aldington handed over to the Soviets many thousands of Russians who had fought with Hitler against the Soviets. The Soviet archives thus reveal that Tolstoy was not guilty of libel against Lord Aldington.
On page 77 of “Eisenhower and the German POWs,” Brian Loring Villa says that he plans to write a book on the treatment of German POWs and the Bacque controversy. Page xiv of the Preface states: “Brian Villa, who is at work on his own book on the Bacque affair, prospectively entitled ‘Writing History, Writing Fiction: The James Bacque Charges and Controversy,’ has been the most helpful of colleagues in sharing some of his research with us.” It has now been some 22 years since “Eisenhower and the German POWs” was published, and Villa has still not published his book. Who knows, maybe Villa will publish something on the Bacque controversy eventually.
I give “Eisenhower and the German POWs” a 2-star instead of a 1-star rating because both Ambrose and Villa make valid points that Eisenhower was not primarily responsible for the conditions in the Western Allies’ POW camps. Rather, it should be seen as more of an Allied occupation policy rather than something Eisenhower ordered. Also, the contributors to this book consistently state that conditions in the Western Allies’ German POW camps were harsh, although they severely understate how bad the conditions actually were. Finally, some of the pictures in the book are interesting. If you realize that “Eisenhower and the German POWs” is merely a polemic attempting to understate the lethal conditions of the German POW camps, the book has a very limited amount of value. However, I do not recommend that anyone pay money to purchase this book.
You write: “So at this point, I’d have to say while obviously Bacque has a point, it’s perfectly possible the million-odd he claims died could turn out to be some fraction of that after careful analysis. After all, that’s often what happens.”
My response: I invite you to continue to study this subject. I think the more you study this subject, the more you will see that Bacque’s research and death estimates are very reasonable.
I know what he’s trying to say, but that’s not what he did say. (I had already written: “I can only get a meaning that the author could not have intended! “) Double negatives can be confusing, so obviously he’s not that sharp. Nor are his editors.
But as you know, I do have some disagreement with making that some kind of strict rule on expulsions. Who’s to say what is unjust and/or brutal? What do you say about the many expulsions of Jews in history? Jews consider them all “unjust.” Any comment? Have you read any of my articles under the “Special Treatment for Jews” heading? Do you think any of that could become a reason for expulsion?
You write: “I guess you have given up on proving me wrong on the Hungarian Jews killed in Auschwitz…The Germans systematically mass murdered the Jews as a pre mediated plan. They deported and killed over 400,000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz in 3 months.”
My response: We have already proven that 400,000 Hungarian Jews could not have been murdered in three months by the Germans at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
First, since there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Germans did not have a murder weapon capable of killing so many Hungarian Jews so quickly.
Also, the Germans did not have crematorium capable of disposing of 400,000 Jews in three months. If you divide 400,000 Jews by 90 days, you get 4,444 Jews who were allegedly cremated each day. As we discussed before on this discussion thread, the Germans could not have cremated 4,444 Jews per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you would like, I will be glad to review with you the evidence that 4,444 Jews could not have been cremated each day at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
The thing is John you are in an alternate universe. You believe all of your historians when they are biased to your point of view. Jews and US Allies bad, German National Socialist good. There is not way asses your information. You deny the death of my family. Accuse them of lying and perpetuating a fraud, you deny that the Germans mass murdered Jews by shipping them to camps and exterminating them in a pre meditated fashion.
Why should I believe you about anything? I think it is an alternate universe. I do not think you can get off Zero in trying to prove your points about Germany and the US treatment of German POW’s unless you accept the reality of the Holocaust and the mass murder of the Jews. Without that you get labeled like Carolyn a nut job.
I know the Holocaust and the mass murder of Jews happened. I lived the life of it.
The definition of a Sociopath.
-break rules or laws
-behave aggressively or impulsively
-feel little guilt for harm they cause others
-use manipulation, deceit, and controlling behavior
The Jews were expelled from countries because they were not Christian and the Catholic church accused them of killing Jesus Christ the savior of the world. They were separated and ostracized for that reason and that reason alone. Thus Israel.
You Caroline are a Sociopath. One just has to listen to your “Table Talk” with the Hitler to know that you do not have both oars in the water. But why not write a letter to your congressman and suggested expelling the Jews from the US?
<i.'…Oh yeah, you’re quite the expert researcher. Where have you looked? On Wikipedia?
…Please don’t gaslight us.'
Generally, if you haven’t anything better to say, you resort to abuse.
That’s your privilege — but you’re just going to have to live without answers to your questions.
You write: “The thing is John you are in an alternate universe. You believe all of your historians when they are biased to your point of view. Jews and US Allies bad, German National Socialist good.”
My response: I believe large numbers of Allied soldiers were good and honorable people. After all, my father was a pilot in 50 bombing missions for the U.S. Eighth Air Force during World War II.
Numerous American soldiers and officers have come forth to witness the atrocious death rate in the American and French POW camps. From low-ranking soldiers such as Martin Brech, Daniel McConnell, and Merrill W. Campbell, through middle-rank officers such as Ben H. Jackson, Frederick Siegfriedt, and Lee Berwick, to high-ranking officers such as Richard Steinbach, Henry W. Allard, James B. Mason, Charles H. Beasley, Mark Clark, and Herbert Pollack, Americans have described the lethal conditions in the American and French POW camps. All of the American eyewitness reports are extended and confirmed by the thousands of Germans who have written letters, books and articles showing beyond reasonable doubt a high death rate in the Allied POW camps.
So, I think these American witnesses to the Eisenhower extermination camps were good and honorable people. I think their testimony is very credible.
‘…Also, the Germans did not have crematorium capable of disposing of 400,000 Jews in three months. If you divide 400,000 Jews by 90 days, you get 4,444 Jews who were allegedly cremated each day. As we discussed before on this discussion thread, the Germans could not have cremated 4,444 Jews per day at Auschwitz-Birkenau. If you would like, I will be glad to review with you the evidence that 4,444 Jews could not have been cremated each day at Auschwitz-Birkenau.’
This would be the episode of the Hungarian Jews. I believe even the official story admits the crematoria at Auschwitz couldn’t handle the intake. Some of the bodies had to be burned in open pits.
Be that as it may. It occurs to me, though, that the fate of the Hungarian Jews would make an excellent study. After all, they were a relatively well-defined and identifiable population, that were all taken off in a short period, and at least supposedly mostly done in in one place.
One should, for example, be able to identify a thousand specific Hungarian Jews still alive in 1943. If you can’t find more than twelve of them alive in 1946, your Holocaust narrative is alive and well — if not proven. If you can track down 346 of them, there may be something screwy.
‘…The Maschke Commission estimate of 1,094,250 German POW deaths in Soviet camps is also far higher than the amount of 517,068 recorded in Soviet archives…’
As an aside, I’ll note that I’m mildly surprised the figures are that close.
This is part of my point about the nature of history. The two figures above actually narrow the probable total to somewhere between 500,000 and 1,100,000. I find that intellectually gratifying. That’s pretty good!
This is all irrelevant. You’re trying to convince everyone that you’re knowledgeable about the subject at hand when you’re reduced to including individual wartime battles in your “knowledge” base. You didn’t seem to know anything about James Bacque, who’s been around for years. So the only thing I need to reply to is this:
This is your same old opinion, stated one more time. You are once again trying to tell me what I think and what is in my mind, and you are once again wrong. I don’t say “It’s all made up” or “Its all true.” I point out other people are doing that. I do say “The Holocaust as a whole is a hoax and did not happen at all.” You say the opposite.Have you even come close to proving your case? It should be easy with all the help, but you can’t do it. It’s only a philosophy, a belief, for you. And your belief is based on this false assumption: That nothing can be proven. Which you say means we must believe the Holocaust happened bc it can’t be proved it didn’t. But you also can’t (actually haven’t)) proved that it did! How did you miss that, Colin?
You say that I am biased (she really is ), but everyone here is biased, INCLUDING YOURSELF. For some reason (lol) you want to single me out as “really” biased. If you did not have a strong bias, you would not still be here “pounding it out” with even more comments than ever! And that after asking that we all stop and talk about something else!
There’s something that doesn’t meet the eye about you, Colin. But I don’t think it’s anything dramatic. I think you’ve just been stung by me and you’re fighting back. Why don’t you turn your “fight” on the Jews, and on the cause of “the decline of White America,” as you brought up in the beginning of this long, long thread? It would be more productive.
Anyone who relies on “wiki” for factual information without seeking out other sources of information is downright dishonest and has a pre-conceived agenda.
“It was real, in my mind”…
I think the 517,068 figure recorded in the Soviet archives is a reasonably accurate figure. I think it is much more accurate than the Maschke Commission’s 1,094,250 estimate of German POW deaths in Soviet camps.
Where is the abuse here? If you feel this as abuse, you are way, way too tender for a man who chooses to discuss such a controversial (and might I say personally and historically injurious) topic as The Holohoax. Pathetic crybaby.
For that matter, where have you looked for claims of mass deaths of German POW’s? You DO know that the Eisenhower German pow’s were reclassified by Ike as “disarmed enemy soldiers,” don’t you, so he did not have to provide Prisoner of War conditions for them? Yes, you want to protect the reputation of the great American Eisenhower, but he was unprincipled his entire life. I have a different opinion of his great gesture when he LEFT office warning of the Military-Industrial Complex. Why not during his time in office????
This fits in every way the Ultra-Orthodox Jews I’ve written about in NY-NJ USA. A perfect match! Have you read any of the articles? No, you can’t bear to look. But I got it all from local news reports on the scene as it was unfolding. It’s all true, true, true — even those Jews don’t deny it. Once again: https://carolynyeager.net/special-treatment-jews
‘I know the Holocaust and the mass murder of Jews happened. I lived the life of it.’
Right. I could as reasonably say ‘I lived through the London Blitz.’ Hey: my mother spent the war years in England — and my grandmother did live in London during the bombing.
For those struggling to understand Fran-speak, I think I managed to decipher her code.
This sentence has absolutely nothing to do with “asses,” I assure you…
If that’s true, Queen Esther, why oh why is there a groundswell of resentment building in all of the West to expel them once again, huh? A West that has been virtually de-christianized and gaslighted to tolerate “the other” by Jewish Supremacist Organizations over the last one hundred years, I might add.
Here we go. As I say, like ‘California Soaring’ only…better.
The Japanese definitely have a healthier attitude towards the war than the Germans do.
Jews, the original dindoonuffins. Jewish supremacism, instigating gentile-against-gentile wars, fomenting revolutions, suborning heresies, undermining Christian society, false flags, big lies, inflicting multiculturalism, and perpetrating vice, ritual murder, genocide, slavery and economic crimes against humanity, including usury, fractional reserve banking, swindling, and tax farming. The perpetual pose of Jews as innocent victims is a fraud. Are there innocents among the Jews? Initially, many! But those innocents, in shielding the guilty, have made themselves accomplices of the guilty, over the millennia earning the expulsion of Jews from over a thousand nations, principalities, and city-states. Bottom line:
I have not mentioned “expelling the Jews” but expelling certain criminal Jews and groups who are clearly NOT going to stop their exploitation of Gentiles within our societies. But I live in Texas and this problem is going on in New Jersey and New York. Believe me, I’m glad I didn’t live in those places; I would have had to move. https://carolynyeager.net/religion-key-lakewoods-special-treatment-jews
Religion is the key to Lakewood’s special treatment of Jews
This article shows how they knowingly use our laws against us and in the service of their particular interests, against the interests of the entire community. A little more:
And we haven’t even gotten to the outright crime yet. The above situation is still going on in the places where these Jews are congregating in huge numbers. Nothing has been solved because they don’t want to solve it and they’re the majority. The only way to “solve it” is to move them out by force, which is currently against the law. They know how to use the law better than anybody.
These shocking articles will tell you more about the damage done by ultra-religious Jews than any other source. And Jews could care less how you feel about it! That’s the most concerning part.
Third Reich leaders’ IQ averaged 129(another trait they share with /pol/ users excluding the embedded 3LA agents).
The people you call thugs were Great War veterans and thus likely 100 and above.
‘…You should look at the book The Young Hitler I Knew…’
That’s the second reference I’ve seen made to that book in a manner that strongly suggests the poster hasn’t actually read it.
The Young Hitler I Knew isn’t particularly critical of Hitler. More admiring, really — although it does admit his penchant for embarking on at least one grandiose project without adequate preparation.
“…Holocaust deniers work by picking very small details, half truths and outright lies, …”.
And there, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a truthful statement from Franny.
What she has described is, after all, the scientific and legal methodology!
You pick at the inconsistencies, the lies, until the entire house of cards (the lies repeated ad infinitum) collapses.
One would be surprised at the discoveries made in science by picking at the inconsistencies, the illogical, and by doing so, discovering great truths.
In comment 889 I link to this film, https://archive.org/details/other-losses_hd, which is very powerful. No one commented on it. I’d like to note that the last 3 minutes of this film is exceptionally well-written and presented, and forms quite an indictment of the Allied WWII “Good Guys” mythology. It begins:
The virtue of the Allied forces of British Commonwealth, France & its colonies, and the United States of America, plus Soviet Russia is in great need of propping up. The only way they can keep the illusion, the fable, the myth going is with continual lies about Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich government. This is so effective and intimidating that this is the point at which pretty much all of you shut your mouths and remain mum. I challenge anyone among our “Holocaust revisionists” reading this to prove or persuasively argue that the Third Reich committed any crimes. In my opinion it was the victim of Allied crimes, and I don’t make any exceptions. Are there any takers for this challenge?
I know so many “revisionists” want to keep the non-reality of the “Holocaust” separate from the Hitler question, but how can you? Hitler is blamed for the fictional Holocaust. Was Hitler guilty or was he not? Was he a victim of Allied propaganda?
And what “grandiose project” is that? Why do you, Colin, have such a penchant for leaving the details of what you’re claiming unstated?
I know no such thing; and neither do you.
You write: “I challenge anyone among our “Holocaust revisionists” reading this to prove or persuasively argue that the Third Reich committed any crimes.”
My response: The Third Reich performed numerous illegal medical experiments on inmates in their camps during World War II. You can read about these criminal experiments in Chapter Nine of my book, which you can read on this website at https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/.
Or raped and murdered by allied troops.
I read the first 2 or 3 chapters a long time ago. It wasn’t that interesting.
What I remember is 1) him ignoring and hating women and 2) him wasting his money during the day and ranting to his roommate about the Jews in the evening
He was, at best, not a stable and normal member of society. But maybe you’d argue that’s what we need to solve our problems.
I haven’t convinced you. That’s fine. Take care.
‘What I remember is 1) him ignoring and hating women and 2) him wasting his money during the day and ranting to his roommate about the Jews in the evening’
If that’s what you remember, your memory is definitely playing tricks on you.
I waited all day and you, John, are the only taker to my ‘challenge.’ Which is probably a good sign for my position! You name what you call “illegal medical experiments on inmates in their camps during World War II.” Were they illegal? Illegal under what jurisdiction? They were determined to be “illegal” and “criminal” after the war was over and every effort was being made to find ‘stuff’ to “prove” the NSDAP and the SS were criminal organizations. The top leaders of the govt., party and military were found guilty and hanged for NEWLY INVENTED war crimes — iow, not crimes when allegedly committed.
These “medical” crimes came up in The Doctor’s Trial in 1947, one of the many trials that were carried out after the main trial of “the Major German War Criminals.” Notice how they were designated “war criminals” before the “trial” even started!
To get right to the heart of the matter, medical experimentation is generally disapproved of, is it not? Today, many people are as up-in-arms about the use of animals as about humans! Yet everyone want advances in medical science, really more than anything else. I’m going to limit myself to Dr. Rascher’s hypothermia experiments, considered the worst of all. BUT … the intention in doing the experiments was to save lives! The goal was to save the lives of the hundreds of pilots who died when shot down over the North Sea and other extremely cold bodies of water. All militaries are constantly seeking ways to save the lives of their soldiers (excepting for Stalin in the Soviet Union, I guess). These are highly trained men in whom a large investment has been made; compare to the prisoners of Dachau who were either criminals or priests & religious objectors, or purely political prisoners. The “volunteers”for the program were criminals condemned to death (you dispute this and may be right but on what evidence?) This single informant, the claimed German assistant to Dr.Rascher turned government witness named Neff, is the sole source of all the so-called facts in the case. Since in these trials cross-examination was made very difficult, his testimony is not very convincing … to me.
But let’s say Rascher is guilty as charged. According to Neff, and you, these hypothermia experiments (ghastly, I agree) resulted in the deaths of 90 prisoners. Now I know that to your highly moral sensibilities and your Libertarian philosophy, every individual, whether murderer or hero, deserves and must receive equal treatment under the law. Otherwise, a crime is committed. But that is an opinion and not everyone agrees with it, plus it was wartime, a MAJOR war, thousands being killed every day, and it was every involved nation’s duty to prevent the deaths of their own people, and especially their serving, fighting men, without stint or reservation!
Your personal moral code is not above those considerations. And it turned out that Rascher’s experiments bore fruit and methods for reviving men who were on the verge of death were discovered and put into practice. I will stop there so I can take a walk before it gets dark. I can’t even proof-read this. BTW, I re-read your chapt. 9 and I recall we’ve discussed this before. Cheers.
I also consider the German euthanasia program to have been a criminal enterprise.
To me, the key question is whether or not you have the informed consent of the patient. If you do have informed consent, then arguably the German medical experimentation and euthanasia program should not be considered crimes. However, since in most cases the patients did not give their informed consent, in my opinion, the German medical experimentation and euthanasia program during World War II were criminal enterprises.
So, John, what is your opinion on abortion?
Especially when the talk now is about “live birth abortion”?
From what I read many years ago, the prisoners subjected to the experiments were volunteers who had been promised lighter sentences, better accommodation, better food, perhaps even release from prison.
As to the euthanasia program in Germany, from what I read, again many years ago, a medical panel had to review each case, and determine that the individual had no consciousness and no ability to entertain any thoughts about what makes a human being.
Agreed that this is debatable but, in my opinion is a much more defensible decision than abortion.
In any case, the German NSDAP government stopped this program when the public outcry gathered steam. Imagine that, a government listening to its citizens and adjusting its policy!
As an ancient proverb has it: “Let him without sin cast the first stone”.
You write: “From what I read many years ago, the prisoners subjected to the experiments were volunteers who had been promised lighter sentences, better accommodation, better food, perhaps even release from prison.”
My response: This is true in many cases, but certainly not in all cases. Very few people would have voluntarily consented to Dr. Rascher’s experiments if they knew how gruesome they were.
You write: “As to the euthanasia program in Germany, from what I read, again many years ago, a medical panel had to review each case, and determine that the individual had no consciousness and no ability to entertain any thoughts about what makes a human being.”
My response: Each case in the German euthanasia program was reviewed by a medical panel, but I think you are overemphasizing how strict the criteria were to euthanize someone. In many cases, schizophrenics and other mentally-ill patients of the type you normally see in most societies were euthanized without their informed consent.
You write: “In any case, the German NSDAP government stopped this program when the public outcry gathered steam. Imagine that, a government listening to its citizens and adjusting its policy!”
My response: This is a true statement; Hitler stopped the euthanasia program in August 1941. However, this was largely due to the fact that Hitler wanted to keep Germany unified while engaged in a horrific war against the Soviet Union.
You’re skating on thin ice here, John. “Criminal” is a legal term. What does the criminal code say? You are substituting your own moral opinion for a legal opinion, You admit that, and say “in my opinion, the German medical experimentation and euthanasia program during World War II were criminal enterprises.” If someone else has a different opinion, then what? Like HdC? He is correct that a lot of thought & preparation went into these programs, and I would have to cover all that in order to explain why I don’t think it to be criminal, and I don’t want to spend the time.
I know I worded it “any crimes,” so I’m at fault for that, but I meant any crimes of the type that the Germans are accused of by the Allies. These are crimes against nations, against world order and peace, not crimes committed internally within their own borders. But even so, I don’t consider anything the National Socialists did internally to be ‘crimes.’ For you to say the euthanasia of the completely useless and bedridden who had no life to look forward to at all, in order to make available nurses, beds and money for the war-wounded is a “criminal” enterprise is ridiculous. Decisions like this have to be made; it’s always balancing one thing against another. A country like the U.S. at that time would not have to make such decisions; a country like Germany did. You may disagree, even strongly & passionately, but that doesn’t make it “criminal.” It’s not done for profit or personal gain, but, once again, to save lives.
You disapprove. Okay, I get it, and it’s your right. But it stops there.
I should let this go by and go to bed, but I’m a little incensed at some of the things you’ve said here. The biggest one:
What you leave out, John, is that in early 1940’s they didn’t have the medications that are available today for things like schizophrenics, so people were institutionalized and that meant lots of doctors, nurses and other staff all devoted to the care and feeding of these dangerous people. They couldn’t stay at home with their families, so naturally the families could easily be “outraged” when they learned their beloved family member was no longer around. This was the reason for the Eugenics program which you, John, criticised also and confused with Euthanasia in your book. Lots of hypocrisy here.
Or:
Very few men would voluntarily join up for war if they knew in advance that they were going to have their legs blown off, or lose their eyesight either.
Or:
Ai-yi-yi. I’ve heard enough.
It is against the laws of god to kill the mentally and physically disabled. From the Christian church to every religion known on the planet.
Was Hitler god? A Demi god? It was the church that made him stop the program. You can rationalize away, but it was murder. Who should live and who should die is not for man to decide.
Indeed killing innocent life is against God’s Law. Hypocrite. http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html
You write: “You’re skating on thin ice here, John. “Criminal” is a legal term. What does the criminal code say? You are substituting your own moral opinion for a legal opinion.”
My response: I do not have the German Criminal Code in front of me, but I am on solid ground when I say that murder is a criminal offense in any modern society. When Dr. Rascher subjected inmates to medical experiments that he knew would result in the death of large numbers of them, he is committing murder. When German doctors euthanize mentally-ill patients without their informed consent, these doctors are committing murder.
Both Heinrich Himmler and Adolf Hitler had the power to make extra-judicial decisions.
For example, the Berlin brothers Erich and Franz Sass, were probably the most famous professional criminals in the Weimar Republic. They had been repeatedly charged with crimes by the Weimar police, but time and again had managed to escape punishment by the courts. On January 27, 1940, they finally received sentences in a penitentiary of 13 and 11 years, respectively, for crimes they committed during the Weimar years. However, Heinrich Himmler was not satisfied with these sentences, and he ordered the brothers’ execution. On March 27, 1940, Erich and Franz Sass were taken to the Sachsenhausen concentration camp and shot to death. Their execution was promptly reported in the German press. (Source: Wachsmann, Nikolaus, Hitler’s Prisons: Legal Terror in Nazi Germany, New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 2004, p. 207).
Martin Niemoller was also famously imprisoned by Hitler even though he had been tried in a German court of law, and the judge ruled he was free to go home.
Martin Niemöller was arrested on July 1, 1937 and brought to the secret police headquarters in Alexanderplatz. He was not interrogated, but brought to Moabit Prison where he occupied a small cell. Niemöller had to wait more than seven months while evidence was gathered to prosecute him at his trial.
Niemöller’s trial opened on February 7, 1938. The defense emphasized the pastor’s patriotism and personal loyalty to the state. Niemöller recounted his war service, and described himself as a completely unpolitical man who had no personal animosity to the National Socialists. Niemöller insisted that obedience to God’s word governed his actions and took precedent over any other obligation. Numerous defense witnesses also effectively testified on Niemöller’s behalf.
It became clear during the trial that the prosecution had a weak case. On March 2, 1938, the judge found Niemöller guilty only of misusing the pulpit, and sentenced him to seven months in prison and a fine of 1,500 marks. Since Niemöller had already served seven months in jail, the prison sentence was waived and Niemöller was free to go home.
However, Hitler ordered Niemöller placed in “protective custody” in Sachsenhausen concentration camp, where Niemöller was forced to spend most of his time in solitary confinement. Niemöller’s acquittal, re-arrest and incarceration in Sachsenhausen resulted in an international scandal. U.S. Protestants regarded Niemöller as a hero of the faith, while reporters and journalists described Niemöller as a heroic figure in the struggle against Nazism.
On July 11, 1941, Niemöller was transferred from Sachsenhausen in the Protestant north to the Dachau concentration camp in the Catholic south, where he was housed with three Catholic priests: Johannes Neuhäusler, Nikolaus Jansen and Michael Höck. Daily contact and conversation with these and other men in Dachau revived Niemöller. The move to Dachau also increased Niemöller’s popularity abroad. Numerous books exalting his piety and courage were published in the United States in the early 1940s, making Niemöller a world-famous person.
So, Niemöller spent many years in German concentration camps even though a German judge had ruled that Niemöller should be free from further imprisonment. I don’t consider this to be a fair judicial process.
Yes, Fran, and you especially care about this because your Orthodox Jews have so many mentally and physically disabled offspring that they expect the “Christian” societies that they’ve barged into, unwanted, to pay for the care and treatment of.
I urge you to look into my recommended articles on “Special Treatment for Jews”, and especially this one: https://carolynyeager.net/lakewoods-woes-reminder-jews-always-create-chaos-gentile-societies-and-bring-no-benefit, that goes into some detail about Jewish genetic disorders. So don’t preach to me, lady, or John Wear either. You have no grounds to do so. John, who’s agreeing with you, is on permanent disability paid for by the U.S. taxpayer because of that mysterious modern malady named “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.” He’s too tired to work. I bet you, too, Fran, get your share. I’ve never gotten anything and have never asked. So I don’t feel the need to compensate by getting on a soapbox and preaching to others about morality.
John, thanks for your reply.
I apologize for asking you about your opinion on abortions; that is really none of my business.
I merely wanted to illustrate the hypocrisy of those who still pound the drum of “Germany baaad, allies and communists goood”.
In any system there are exceptions, especially in the health system.
And if any country is guilty of medical experiments without consent of those experimented on, it is the USA and Britain, who each subjected groups of soldiers to nuclear radiation, withholding of vaccines, etc.
Would you care to guess how many people are euthanized in western hospitals every day? This is done mostly by withholding water, and excessive painkiller. In this instance I KNOW first hand of what I speak. These individuals are at a point in life where they cannot give consent, and the attending doctor makes the decision.
My main point is in illustrating the hypocrisy of the allies, who still trumpet their lies off the proverbial rooftops.
BTW, in NSDAP Germany, abortions were illegal!
But abortion, even post-birth abortion, is acceptable to you and yours, right?
Look at all the money your abortion mills make.
Interestingly, the first doctor in Canada who got abortion legalized, was Jewish. He obviously saw the business prospects!
When Dr. Fauci, President Biden & practically all European leaders, the CDC and WHO, etc. etc. mandate the so-called Covid Vaccine to every healthy citizen, even school children, knowing that some will die or develop future illnesses or disorders, are they committing murder? No government in the world will say that, and they will never be held accountable. Why? Because they balance it out with more lives they claim will be saved! It’s called cost-benefit analysis – the benefit outweighs the cost. Why is that valid for everyone except the Third Reich?!! The whole thing is total hypocrisy that you go along with.
I’ll add that the Third Reich was only dealing with a very small population, in one case criminal prisoners already under a death penalty, in the other very, very sick, incurable people — not the entire population!! You are swatting at a fly while the swarm of locusts are invading.
As I have said earlier, every system has its problems.
Just look at how Ernst Zuendel was treated by the Canadian courts and justice minister, when he was held in solitary confinement for 2 years without having been convicted of anything! This was after he was extradited from the USA on pretty iffy points of law.
Then there is the problem of self-defense in Canada; however, that’s a separate issue. But it highlights the point of what is legal and what is criminal, and how idiotic some of these distinctions are.
A similar conundrum existed even here in the USA when insulin was first being extracted from bovines. There wasn’t enough to go around to treat all diabetic patients so medical professionals had to make extremely difficult choices.
Who would get the life saving treatment?
When kidney dialysis was first implemented, the machines were scarce. Once again medical professionals had to make difficult choices.
Who would get the life saving treatment?
You are correct. It’s all about choices.
Now for a real example of criminality in the medical profession…
Let’s not forget the “Tuskegee Experiment” in which syphilis infected black men were purposely not treated for syphilis despite effective treatments being available in order to measure the progression of the disease. This went on from the 1930s through the 1970s.
So much for medical integrity and honesty…
You write: “John, who’s agreeing with you, is on permanent disability paid for by the U.S. taxpayer because of that mysterious modern malady named “Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.” He’s too tired to work.”
My response: I do have chronic fatigue syndrome, which I contracted in December 2007. I was on disability for a number of years, having won both an ERISA disability settlement as well as my Social Security disability case.
However, once I turned age 65, I started receiving regular Social Security retirement benefits. These Social Security retirement benefits were earned by me based on my 37 years of employment in the work force. I haven’t received Social Security disability benefits for over four years now.
You write: “When Dr. Fauci, President Biden & practically all European leaders, the CDC and WHO, etc. etc. mandate the so-called Covid Vaccine to every healthy citizen, even school children, knowing that some will die or develop future illnesses or disorders, are they committing murder?”
My response: Yes.
You write: “You are swatting at a fly while the swarm of locusts are invading.”
My response: I am merely responding to the challenge you made in comment number 917. You wrote “I challenge anyone among our “Holocaust revisionists” reading this to prove or persuasively argue that the Third Reich committed any crimes.” I never said that the United States and other Western countries weren’t guilty of major crimes. In fact, Chapters Five, Six and Seven of my book “Germany’s War” discusses many of these egregious Allied crimes.
To John Wear: You can’t have it all ways. You can’t be all things to all people. You “agree” with Al in comment #931 and you “agree” with Fran Taubman in comment #930. You use the “agree” button more than anyone I know on this site. “Agree” means you agree wholly, not partially. It doesn’t say “partially agree.”
You write: “You can’t be all things to all people. You “agree” with Al in comment #931 and you “agree” with Fran Taubman in comment #930.”
My response: Fran Taubman wrote in comment number 930: “It is against the laws of god to kill the mentally and physically disabled. From the Christian church to every religion known on the planet.”
I agree with her on this point. The mentally and physically disabled are people too. Governments do not have the right to kill them.
Al wrote in comment number 931: “Indeed killing innocent life is against God’s Law. Hypocrite.” I agree with Al on this point too. It is a crime for Israeli soldiers to murder innocent Palestinian pregnant mothers.
Governments should not have the right to kill innocent people. This applies to mentally-ill patients in National Socialist Germany, as well as to innocent Palestinian mothers in Israel.
What do you or she know about the “laws of god?” I’m serious . Who even is “god?” What is your authority for knowing what these laws of god are? This is ridiculous. People assume these poses and then shout their virtue from the housetops. So we can disagree even on this, because it proves nothing.
Who is innocent? The Supreme Intelligence knows; you don’t. What I mean is: you don’t know any better than someone else does. But you and Fran are saying you know. So you are also a hypocrite, like her.
Leo Stein was released from Sachsenhausen to go to America, and he wrote an article about Niemöller for The National Jewish Monthly in 1941. Stein reports having asked Niemöller why he ever supported the Nazi Party, to which Niemöller replied:
“I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. [no he didn’t -cy] I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, [Hitler did protect the Church. And N. is probably meaning “Kristalnacht” by “pograms” which was a false flag event engineered by the Jews. -cy ] assuring me as follows: “There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany.” Promised in 1932, Hitler kept that promise!
This brings me to the sources you have taken your information from in Chapt. 9 of your book. I consider a lot of them to be sensationalist books, or what I call junk books. Some examples would be “Doctors from Hell: The Horrific Account of Nazi Experiments on Humans,” by Vivien Spitz; Inhuman Research: Medical Experiments in German Concentration Camps, by Alfred Pasternak; Murderous Medicine: Nazi Doctors, Human Experimentation, and Typhus by Naomi Baumslag; and Karl Brandt: The Nazi Doctor by Ulf Schmidt. Karl Brandt was an honorable man and a fine doctor who was hanged by the Nuremburg bloodthirsties based on nothing but his close association with Hitler. This is only a partial list of what I would include under sensationalist books. On this basis alone, I question the accuracy of everything you write. I had some quotes lined up last night but discarded the page and am not going to look for them again.
At https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/crime, I noticed that the legal definition of “crime” includes this item: 5. Crimes may be classed into such as affect:
7.-2. The sovereign power: treason, misprision of treason.
This applies to all the death sentences meted out to the perpetrators of the July 20, 1944 assassination & ‘formation of a new government by violent overthrow’ attempt by the gang of high-level “criminals”, which included Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Christian pastor-friend of Martin Niemöller. One item I’ll mention, from Wikipedia !, is that William Shirer, author of “The Rise & Fall …” claimed it was the Gestapo, not Himmler, who rearrested Niemoeller because Rudolf Hess thought the sentence too lenient. Who is right?
You write: “What do you or she know about the “laws of god?””
My response: I am a nondenominational believer in God. To me, it is obvious that God does not want us to murder people. In the Christian religion, one of the Ten Commandmants is to not commit murder. This is true in most religions on the planet.
I can not “prove” to you that God does not want us to murder people. In fact, I can not “prove” to you anything about what God wants. However, anyone with a sense of morality and spirituality will know that murdering people is wrong.
You write: “Who is innocent? The Supreme Intelligence knows; you don’t. What I mean is: you don’t know any better than someone else does. But you and Fran are saying you know. So you are also a hypocrite, like her.”
My response: The Supreme Intelligence would not want mentally-ill people to be killed without their informed consent. The Supreme Intelligence would also not want pregnant Palestinian mothers to be killed by Israeli soldiers. I cannot “prove” this to you, but I think this is basic common sense. It does not make me a hypocrite as you allege.
Out of curiosity, do you agree that the mentally-ill people in National Socialist Germany should have been murdered without their informed consent? Do you think it was moral for Hitler to have ordered his euthanasis program?
You question my use of the following authors in Chapter Nine of my book “Germany’s War”:
1. Vivien Spitz
2. Alfred Pasternak
3. Naomi Baumslag
4. Ulf Schmidt
I agree with you that Vivien Spitz is an intellectual lightweight. However, she was a court reporter at the Doctors’ Trial at Nuremberg, and sat through the whole trial. She is qualified to document what she reported on at the trial.
The other three individuals have excellent academic credentials. Alfred Pasternak is a medical doctor who was a clinical professor at the School of Medicine of the University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA). Naomi Baumslag is a medical doctor who was a clinical professor of pediatrics at Georgetown University Medical School. Ulf Schmidt has a PhD in history and has studied the life of Dr. Karl Brandt quite extensively.
All four of these doctors might have their biases, but that does not mean my use of them as sources of information is improper? If you know of anything they say in my book that is incorrect, please let me know.
There is no “right” to self-defense” in Canada for anyone but the “crown” (government). Any Canadian citizen who exercises self-defense to preserve his own life and the life of others, even in his own home WILL be criminally charged and prosecuted. Exercising self-defense outside the home is extremely problematic as Canada and its provinces have no provision for legal concealed carry for ordinary citizens.
This used to be the case in much of the USA until approximately 30 years ago when states enacted “castle doctrine” laws which not only legalized the use of lawful deadly force within the home but indemnified legally residing occupants from criminal charges. This was later expanded to “stand your ground” laws in which the “duty to retreat” was nullified. In order for “stand your ground” protections to be “legal”, one must be in a place legally-not trespassing.
Concealed carry laws have been expanded, some states not even requiring a “permit” to carry. “Shall issue” requirements for concealed carry permits are the norm in all but a few states.
There are still some states that do not have “castle doctrine” and “stand your ground” laws. In these states, you can be legally required to flee your own home if the bad guys enter and want to do you harm–not good.
Canadians do not have inherent rights–only government granted rights…
Despite you what about ism. Hitler was a murderer and should have been prosecuted and tried for murder. He illegally murdered the mentally and physically disabled. Carolyn were any of these German’s from Orthodox Jewish community LOL, because there were over 70,000 killed and you said Orthodox Jews suffer more than Christian societies from mental and physical disabilities.A flat out lie. I know of one disabled Jew from an orthodox family. A many autistic children from Christian families.
Hitler was a murderer and responsible for the deaths of the millions of German people after the Battle of the Bulge, when Hitler could have surrendered and kept his country in tact. There were assassination attempts on Hitlers life to try and stop the war. If Hitler had surrendered, millions of German citizens would have been spared. He was a murderer. He should have been tried and convicted of murdering the physical and mentally disabled, when the church raised the idea of it being against the laws of God and morality to kill innocent. You know he gassed these lame people using carbon monoxide in hush hush, style. The church flipped out.
What causes Al’s mental disability. Clearly as a Catholic he functions against the Catholic churches expressed morality towards promoting criminality towards Jews. He also published “fake” photoshopped photos of gross images of fetuses and magic marker blood. This is the sign of a mentally disturbed person. Was anyone in your family an orthodox Jew Carolyn because you clearly show signs of mental disorder by your Jew obsession which constantly defies the normal modes and morality of Western society. Even questioning murdering disabled people is pretty scary. You do not realize that you are on that slippery slope of “who is disabled” . Once you cross that rubicon everyone can be murdered by a subjective source. God is not a subjective source, he holds the sanctity of life as the most sacred of rules for man.
I guess you are just sorry that Hitler could not just finish the Jews off. Too bad he could not exterminate all of them. Why else would you transport 437,000 Jews many of them old women and children to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944? For labor? The Hungarians begged the Germans do not transport them. Why? The war was about to end. Why could these Hungarian Jews not stay in Hungry? Why. They were expressly shipped to Auschwitz to be murdered. There is not other reason. Just like the disabled. Once you cross the rubicon of playing god, you become a monster.
On Mav 23 1944 four trains with Jews deported from Hungary to Auschwitz, they crossed the border in Kosice, with: 3023 Jews form Vise de Sus (Felsoviso), 3272 form Nyiregyhaza, 3269 form Mukacevo (Munkacs), and 3110 from Orade (Nagyvarad)- All together 12,674 people on May 23, 1944.
After the selection or transports 5 women were registered in the camp. Most probably a group or young, healthy women as a deposit, the rest were killed in the gas chambers. In the below photo Jews waiting in the forest next to crematorium 4 and 5. The crematorium was so busy they had to wait. They are identified and never seen again.
The girl standing to the right is Gerty Ackerman of Munkacs Sitting next to her is her sister Wally.Behind the girls, in the white headscarf, is the sisters mother. RozI-Rebecca nee
Mermelstein. Memelstein is a big Hungarian Jewish name many Jews from that family lived in the US. The two boys to the left are Reuven and Gershon Fogel. Lia Fogel, née Mermelsten is sitting next to the dark headscarf.
This photo was taken by the SS photographers either Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter for a photo album requested by the German command. The entire album is taken in May 1944 during deportation of Jews from Hungary to Auschwitz. It is a documentation of the transport and murder of over 320,000 Jews. The Sonderkammandos had to use open fire pits, the crematorium ovens could not keep up.
You can be full of your mentally ill obsession with the Jews, similar to Hitlers, thinking that with out the Jews the world would be better. I keep this photo on my desktop in the memory of the innocent people that vanished on that day. Not one denier has found one person from that transport alive. Because there are none. Not one person was found in any other countries. If deniers really wanted to challenge the murder of the Jews. Go find the Hungarian or Polish Jews the Nazi’s transported to the death camps.
Again why did these Jews need to be transported to Auschwitz. It was not for resettlement. It was not for labor. None or most of these people could be used for labor. Why?
You write: “Hitler was a murderer and responsible for the deaths of the millions of German people after the Battle of the Bulge, when Hitler could have surrendered and kept his country in tact.”
My response: Actually, the Allies could have offered reasonable peace terms to the Germans. Instead, the Allies kept their policy of unconditional surrender until the end of the war. For more on the Allied mistaken and unfair unconditional surrender policy, please read my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2022/01/28/the-mistaken-allied-demand-of-germanys-unconditional-surrender/.
This is such a lie I do not know where to begin. There are no statistics to back this up. Jews are screened for genetic disorders before starting families. Total BS. This from your own article.
I am not sure what your panties are all in a twist about Lakewood being taken over by Hassidic Jews. Seems to me there are many more horrible situations and locations then Lakewood. Lakewood is not San Francisco, or Montana, or even the best part of NJ. It is a relatively boring place with no special vistas. Not like the Hasidic Jews took over Aberdeenshire, Scotland and are fox hunting at Balmoral.
The Orthodox Jewish community has zero crime, and I am sure they pay their taxes. I am not sure what you are talking about by chaos. But no one ever knows what you are talking about. By chaos, compared to the fentanyl crises by the Mexican drug lords at the border? Or the insane violence in Chicago where one kid shoots another kid for a nickel bag of pot and then leaves his cell phone ? (not even organized crime like the maifa). Senseless crime, shooting small children. Or the chaos with the homeless situation in California, people living in tents on the street.
I am thinking that Lakewood is not that bad. I do not anyone from Lakewood, but the Hassidic Jews I know in Brooklyn have their own volunteer ambulances and their own volunteer paramedic units, to not burden the larger area.
You said that you want to export criminal Jews, well it seems that plenty of Jews are being prosecuted and sent to jail for crimes. The orthodox Jews are getting bad press from the NYT and other publications, kind of disproving “Jews own the Media”. Another lie. There are many Jewish criminals, as there are many non Jewish criminals and they deserve to be prosecuted, similar to Hitler murdering the physically and mentally disabled. Was Hitler prosecuted for his criminal activity? It was clearly against the law. Which is why he did it in secret. You do know he gassed them?
I just do not see Lakewood as having more problems then other townships. We fight all the time in Hamptons to stop development. The Lakewood public schools are a problem since the private Jewish schools are getting most of the funding. This needs to be sorted out. I would recommend poor hispanics move to other NY townships.
Here is an article about an orthodox Jew from Lakewood who teaches in the public schools and his struggle to get funding for Lakewood public schools. He is also a lawyer and has been fighting for years the corruption around school funding. What Carolyn not fitting your Jew criminal, chaos for the gentile world view point? Jews cause chaos? Go to any metropolitan city in the US, you will find most hospitals and cultural centers donated by Jews. Including all the hospitals in NYC, and Lincoln Center donated by Jewish money. See below. Oh and BTW. The inside of Lincoln Center is painted with murals by Marc Chagall one of the Jewish artist you call “crappy”. Lol.
I’m thinking Lakewood is small potatoes in the scheme of things. How about you Carolyn. How is your irrational obsessive Jew hatred working out with the Jewish criminals should be deported working out. The most crime I see is the Hispanic community in the building industry constantly filling for fraudulent disability insurance. They “fake” injuries and make them life threatening. They cause employers like me to pay astronomical Workmen’s Compensation Insurance, especially for metal shops. I have to carry a 2 million dollar policy to work on a NY city construction site. I have canceled my disability insurance and no longer work in the city. Workmen’s comp is the biggest scam going. Not a one from a Hassidic community. Gosh Caroline this post has pretty much wiped you out. BTW I am no longer defending the Hassidic Jewish community or Jewish criminal. This thread is about H denial. This will be my last post on the subject. So take your Jewish criminals and shove it.
https://www.njspotlightnews.org/special-report/arthur-lang-lakewood-nj-public-schools-budget-beth-medrash-gohova-underprivileged-students-orthodox-jewish-busing-special-education-costs-conflict/
Rubenstein has donated an estimated $700 million to charitable causes over his lifetime—to organizations including Duke University and the National Park Foundation, representing about 16% of the Baltimore native’s current estimated $4.2 billion fortune.</b
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/david-geffen-donates-100-million-to-lincoln-center-renovation-273978
I believe I have a stronger sense of spirituality than you do. Our sense of morality is different. I’m not a follower of any religion or system of worship. Therefore, you can’t speak to me or advise me on either morality or spirituality, but when you agreed with Fran T. that’s what you did.
I did not say it did. When did I say or imply that? Yet, whether “people” are mentally ill or not or have given their consent or not is of no concern whatsoever to the “Supreme.” This ultimate Reality does not “want” or “not want,” either.
I have told you before that I don’t consider the euthanasia program to be murder. So why do you use the word to me? I also don’t call those who were euthanized “mentally-ill.” They were far beyond that, from everything I have read (in the past, no longer available now by searching). You say it was “ordinary” schizophrenics; where is your proof or indication of that? I have read accounts of the insane who needed to be tied down, who in no way were capable or amenable to being taken into a “chamber” and sitting quietly while the gas was pumped in. I have no intention of simply believing what you have found in books, any more than I would believe what’s in books by “world-class” holocaust historians.
I don’t think it’s a question of morality. I see it as a solution to a problem that couldn’t just be ignored. I see Hitler as head and shoulders above the average German in intelligence and patriotism and service to the nation. In an immoral world with immoral leaders on all sides, he was trying to steer Germany to health and prosperity. His intentions were good — and sound.
You write: “If deniers really wanted to challenge the murder of the Jews. Go find the Hungarian or Polish Jews the Nazi’s transported to the death camps.”
My response: In comment number 944 of this discussion thread, Carolyn Yeager heavily criticized my selection of four people I sourced as references for Chapter Nine of my book “Germany’s War.” Carolyn writes: “On this basis alone, I question the accuracy of everything you write.”
One of these people Carolyn criticized is Alfred Pasternak. While Dr. Pasternak is a medical doctor and has excellent academic credentials, he is Jewish and therefore might be biased against the Germans.
So, I decided to look up more information on Dr. Pasternak. I found this reference on the internet at https://friendsofhungary.hu/hungarian-officer-s-cross-order-of-merit-to-alfred-pasternak-2. It turns out that Alfred Pasternak is a child survivor of Auschwitz, and a member of the Founders of Friends of Hungary Foundation. It looks as if we have found another Jewish child who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau.
For more information on Jews who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau, you might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482.
You lie without shame
Carolyn Yeager,
You write: “I have told you before that I don’t consider the euthanasia program to be murder. So why do you use the word to me?”
My response: I have two reasons. First, way back in comment number 917, you challenged Holocaust revisionists to prove that the Third Reich committed any crimes. You wrote: “I challenge anyone among our “Holocaust revisionists” reading this to prove or persuasively argue that the Third Reich committed any crimes.” I am answering your challenge as requested.
Second, I do consider the German euthanasia program to be murder. Any time a person is killed without their informed consent, I consider this to be murder. I am entitled to my own opinion, and you are entitled to yours.
You write: “You say it was “ordinary” schizophrenics; where is your proof or indication of that? I have read accounts of the insane who needed to be tied down, who in no way were capable or amenable to being taken into a “chamber” and sitting quietly while the gas was pumped in.”
My response: Please tell me of the books or articles where you obtained this information. I am always glad to learn more about this subject.
You are a very deranged person. We are talking about the sanctity of life. What separates animals from humans, monsters from humane beings. The fact that you do not understand what the sanctity of life means and how it is guarded by a higher being that we all have to answer to. A telling sign that you are a morally bankrupt sociopath. You would just assume “cull” humans to suit your twisted needs. What a sick twisted person.
There’s not much ‘sanctity of life’ in that filthy road map to world domination you call Torah. But maybe you read it with your eyes closed.
Not talking about white collar criminals. There are plenty of Jewish criminals. There are plenty of non Jewish criminals.
I was talking about violent street crime. Again zero in the Hassidic Jewish community. Let me repeat because you are dumber than a door post. There is no violent street crime in religious Jewish communities.
Because there were survivors does not nullify that the vast majority of Jews that were transported to the camps designed for murder and cremation of the Jews did not exist. These survivors do not back up your claim that there never existed a designed and executed system for mass murdering and cremating Jews, men, women, and children because they were Jews and Hitler wanted to rid Europe of Jews. Dr. Pasternak wrote a book on the inhuman medical experiments performed by the Germans on the camp prisoners.
Through all of you writings and revisionist history, you cannot discount the desire of Hitler and the SS to shape humanity to their liking. To create a master race of Aryans that were not allowed to intermarry with people outside of this exalted race. The desire of Hitler and the SS to “cull” the human race, like fruit. The Slavs can be laborers, lower by nature than the Germans, The gypsies and, homosexuals, and Jews must be eliminated from the human race to produce a better human race. These Nazis (not the German people) wanted to play god. They saw it as their right as an exemplary race to promote their race and discriminate against others. You say that there was no designed mass murder of the Jews. But listen to what they say, first it was the physically and mentally disabled. The gassing of these people against their families wishes, against the morality of German culture, as Germany was a Christian nation. If you can gas a disabled person, what is the difference in gassing a Jew. We know Hitler did not like Jews, he stripped them of their citizenship, placed them in ghettos and made them wear yellow stars. All the signs are there. Do you not see that.
No better proof of this despicable immorality then our very own Carolyn Yeager. Who thinks that Hitler was trying to do good by gassing the disabled. She views everything that Hitler did as good.
Carolyn would like to proceed with all to the racial adherence to a master race. Mimicking the Nazi ideology of a master race. Carolyn trying to “cull” humans. Well you can have Jews, but they cannot be religious Jews. In order to stay they must ditch their religion. It is just more of the same.
In some really, really bizarre way she has never gotten over and maybe you as well that the defeat was warranted. You cannot promote the kind of racial elite, with everyone being beneath that as lesser. A lesser physical or mental specimen must be destroyed for the good of the whole.
A god, a dictator a monster. Why not just keep it going and get rid of all that are the perceived enemy. No religion, no one with a moral code would or could ever be persuaded to abide by such horrific ideas.
You mean Jesus read the filthy Torah with his eyes closed, because his last supper was at a Passover seder? The passover which takes one entire book of the 5 books called Exodus?
The filthy Torah that told us in 800 bc. that it was incorrect to lie with your mothers, sisters or animals because it was not clean and was an abomination?
The same filthy Torah that tells us that life is sacred and holy, and that murder should be punished.
That filthy Torah?
Nah, we know who and exactly what you were referring to, Or did your white collar rabbis pay “taxes” on those organs they hacked out and sent off to occupied Palestine?
We got a real momzer, here. And thick with it.
Now, try and remember that these words were penned by a self avowed Chabad Lubavitcher, no less. Someone who believes every word written in the Torah (in the broadest sense to include the Talmud) is the truth because it was written by HaShem. Someone who believes in the following eschatological pillars of her “religion”:
1. blot out the memory of amalek
2. erect the third temple
3, anoint the Mosiach
Only after all three requirements are fulfilled, will HaShem bless each tzadik (righteous Jew) to rule over 2,800 Noahide slaves for eternity.
… and Queen Esther has the chutzpah to lecture us goyim about “horrific ideas”?
You write: “These survivors do not back up your claim that there never existed a designed and executed system for mass murdering and cremating Jews, men, women, and children because they were Jews and Hitler wanted to rid Europe of Jews.”
My response: So why did so many Jewish children survive Auschwitz-Birkenau? Were the Germans incompetent in killing these Jewish children? Or was it because the Germans did not have a program of genocide against Jews during World War II?
But, but, but, according to members of your tribe, abortion is acceptable.
You can stuff your pseudo-philosophizing where the sun doesn’t shine.
Without the fables of the holohoax, modern Jews have no raison d’etre.
Everything in modern Jewry revolves about this axis of the holi 6 million.
Any normal group of people would be deliriously happy if they found out that a folk-lore calamity that supposedly had befallen them, turned out to be fiction.
And that the mortality of their brethren was orders of magnitude lower than their folklore had them believe.
As I said, normal people would be very happy with this information, and have annual festivals to celebrate these good news.
But not Jews! Oh no they claim, we can’t have that! It’s gotta be the holy six million and not one less!
OK, ok, I know Franny earlier claimed that the holy hoax museum in Israel only claims 4.5 million burnt offerings, but the Jewish owned media would disagree with that. It’s always 6 million.
Your question:
…has an easy answer.
It was to keep families together. Simple as that.
There were no “gas chambers”.
John, you are like a machine. No matter what is said to you, you come out with your very same, automaton-like replies. You are unable to deal with or understand nuance. Look it up and think about it for awhile. You just might be able to “get it.”
I do believe I wrote: “… I have read (in the past, no longer available now by searching)”.
Jesus is one of your guys, not mine. I don’t believe in Jesus nor do I believe in the authority of your filthy book….
Yeah, that’s the one, Dummkopf.
Normal healthy people don’t need divine proscriptions against those things because instinctively they know right from wrong and therefore it doesn’t need to be drummed into their heads by the offspring of some inbred dwarf who thought he heard the voice of a god barking back at him from the inside of a burning bush.
Shall we talk about how ‘orthodox’ mothers make sure their little Yentas start wearing opaque tights from the age of three?
Do you still wear them or did you marry your uncle when you were 12?….
Bingo!
That’s it. The one where only Jewish life is “sacred and holy” and only murder of the chosenites “should be punished.”
That filthy book…and of course, you do have others.
In another phony pose of universal humanitarianism Jews claim their “Torah” treats saving any life, Jew or Gentile, as “saving an entire world.” http://judaism.is/save-any-life.html As you expect, this is just another BIG JEWISH LIE. In a religion that teaches only Jews are human, of course only Jewish lives are valuable. Babylonian Talmud (also known as “the Bavli”), Sanhedrin 37a:
The Davidson translation:
https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.37a?ven=William_Davidson_Edition_-_English&vhe=Wikisource_Talmud_Bavli&lang=bi
The Soncino translation:
http://come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_39.html
What is all the more remarkable about these professions of the value of Jewish lives is that the Davidson and Soncino translations are among the most carefully sanitized for Gentile audiences. Here is an infamous site that routinely attempts to vindicate the Talmud: http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/schindler.html
As you can see for yourself, the site claims there is a more general endorsement of saving lives, even of gentile lives, at Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a) of the Jerusalem Talmud (also known as the Talmud Yerushalmi or Palestinian Talmud). This is the same tribe that insist there is no “Palestine,” yet there seems to be a Palestinian Talmud. Layers upon layers of lies.
The differences between the two Talmuds are expounded by the rabbis here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/talmud-jerusalem
Anyway here is the allegedly exculpatory Sanhedrin 4:1 of the Jerusalem Talmud:
https://www.sefaria.org/Jerusalem_Talmud_Sanhedrin.4.1.2?ven=The_Jerusalem_Talmud,_translation_and_commentary_by_Heinrich_W._Guggenheimer._Berlin,_De_Gruyter,_1999-2015&vhe=The_Jerusalem_Talmud,_edition_by_Heinrich_W._Guggenheimer._Berlin,_De_Gruyter,_1999-2015&lang=bi
Not one word saving anyone’s life, Jew or Gentile!
I encourage readers to read the entire Sanhedrin 4:1 to appreciate the abject insanity of the Talmudic mind and people.
And Chabad Fran’s claim about punishing murder? See Sanhedrin 57a:
In the first place why were Hungarian citizens forced to leave their homes and be sent to Auschwitz in 1944? These Hungarian Jews posed no threat to the Germans or anyone. The Jews had lived in Hungary for hundreds of years, there was no problem. The Hungarian government refused to hand over the Jews to the Germans until Germany invaded Hungary. Then they started transporting Jews to Auschwitz. Why?
Why transport women and children from their homes and make them wear a yellow star. First they were rounded up into crowded ghettos. These were Hungarian citizens. There were 800,000 Hungarian Jewish citizens in Hungary in June of 1944. By 1945 there were less than 200,00. What happened to them? They were murdered and cremated they were never seen again after they were transported.
Everyone knew that the Jews were being transported to be murdered. Why do you think the Hungarian government and many, many international figures tried to stop it. They were not being transported to go on holiday.
In the face of incontrovertible evidence of Jewish ritual murder of Christian children, Satan’s Chosen now claim the victims were actually volunteers. http://judaism.is/ritual-murder.html
The risible premise in the revised edition of (((Toaff’s))) Bloody Passovers is that Christian children died at the hands of Jews, but that the children were voluntary donors of blood and things just accidentally went wrong again and again. The second edition is meticulously deconstructed with exact quotes here:
http://www.cwporter.com/toaffdonor.htm
Perhaps those few who died on the work camps were similarly “volunteers.” [laughing]
That BS was the blurb used in the publicity for Schindler’s List. They hid the fact that it applied only to the Jewish life and suckered the goyim into believing it was a beautiful message about the ‘universal’ love that Jews feel for the dumb cattle they hope one day to slaughter.
‘…A god, a dictator a monster. Why not just keep it going and get rid of all that are the perceived enemy. No religion, no one with a moral code would or could ever be persuaded to abide by such horrific ideas.’
There’s Israel. That seems to be their religion.
Universalism is the antithesis of rabbinic Judaism.
You are joking right? How come children survived? How come anyone survived. Happenstance.
Go ask the Germans why some children survived and some didn’t. It was pretty chaotic at the camps.
Because some survived does not discount that all of the Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz to be murdered, Why else would them ship them there. The fact that some children lived proves nothing.
These children witnessed the mass executions and many of the children lost parents and siblings. You can listen to children stories on Youtube all day long.
Any kind of Judaism. It doesn’t have to be rabbinic. The goal remains the same. Total domination and absolute control over property, life, and death.
That’s the Law in a nutshell.
“…These Hungarian Jews posed no threat to the Germans…”.
Jews everywhere were the self-proclaimed enemies of Germany, or have you conveniently forgotten:
“Judea Declares War on Germany”, as per international headlines in 1933.
Notice it didn’t say German Jews, USA Jews, Hungarian Jews; it said JUDEA, ie. all Jews!
Ignorant trolls that quote the Talmud, a book that is not Jewish law, and is a series of discussions by Rabbis.
Same Jew hatred, same quotes, all lies just a different day.
https://images.shulcloud.com/618/uploads/PDFs/Divrei_Torah/160615-Response%20to%20anti-semitic%20distortions%20of%20the%20Talmud.pdf
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/belief/articles/daf-yomi-212-anti-semite-can-cite-talmud
Here comes the hapless pilpul.
What’s the effin point of posting links to the usual get-out clauses if you’re not prepared to apply them in context on the open forum?
Big difference between a girll of thee years and three years and one day!
Discuss, Fran…DISCUSS!
What doe that even mean? Is Judea a country with a standing army? Like England or France. How can Judea declare war on Germany? I think that was when Hitler was voted in and he had already written Mien Kampt, which was pretty much declaring war on the Jews.
But the was in 1944, so why transport them to Auschwitz? Why not leave them in ghettos in Hungary? What was the point? How much money did that cost? and for what reason? So all the Hungarian Jews going to live in Auschwitz as their permanent home? Where were they shipping the Hungarian Jews to. You are talking about 800,000 people.
I just don’t get the logic if Jews were considered the enemy of Germany, what was wrong with leaving them in Hungary?
I mean at some point your rationals have to make sense. The expense of shipping the entire Jewish population of Hungary to Auschwitz makes no sense, unless you wanted to murder them.
So what laws do abide by for control over your property, life and death? What rules and laws control your life, or do you live in some cave?
Fran’s source says:
However Fran misleads, thus:
Source: Talmud. Niddah 44b
It continues…
Not finished yet…
Don’t go, there’s more…
Enough already!!!
As we can see.: Fran and her sources are liars.
But we knew that all along. Didn’t we…..
You write: “Go ask the Germans why some children survived and some didn’t. It was pretty chaotic at the camps…The fact that some children lived proves nothing.”
My response: Young Jewish children were too young to work and benefit the Germans. The survival of so many Jewish children at Auschwitz-Birkenau proves that the Germans were not engaged in a program of genocide against Jews during World War II.
Forever the shyster, eh!
You know the Jewish “goal” (that I mentioned) is the total worldwide domination of property, life, and death.
It’s rude of you to pretend otherwise.
Just stop it.
No clue, what that means. I have never read the Talmud and never heard of this about a 3 year old girl, until a Jew hater quoted it and said it was from the Talmud and said the Talmud says that girls over 3 years old can have sex. I think it means if they are raped they can still be considered Virgins when they marry. Do you know of any Jewish men having sex with 3 year olds? It is against the law, both Jewish and civil law. The Talmud is not law.
Most of the stuff Jew haters point our from the Talmud. 99.9% of Jews have never heard of. It takes a full on Rabbinic student with years of Jewish study to begin to study the Talmud, then it takes seven years to complete studying one page a day. It is not a night stand bed book. Jews do not study or read the Talmud like the Torah and it is not Jewish law, it is like what you said pilpul from a bunch of rabbis dating back to Babylonian times.
But I suppose it serves your purpose. The Talmud for a Jew hater is like a treasure chest to quote, sunshine, mana from heaven. A Jew haters dream. My favorite is “kill the best of the gentiles”. Al quotes from it non stop. There is woman’s stuff in the Talmud about menstrual stuff that would make the hair in your nose curl.
‘…I mean at some point your rationals have to make sense. The expense of shipping the entire Jewish population of Hungary to Auschwitz makes no sense, unless you wanted to murder them…’
I think this is a valid point. The only other two plausible explanations for the deportation of Hungarian Jews that I can see would be that either (a) the Germans wanted their labor, or (b) they felt that they would be a threat once the Red Army entered Hungary.
In either of those two cases, why bother to deport the entire population? Why not just seize the adult men and women suitable for labor/likely to be able to aid the Red Army in some way?
After all, when the Germans did round up civilians for labor — be they French, Poles, or Ukrainians — they didn’t just grab everybody. They took only those who were going to be of use to them.
Most “little jews” just wanted to live out their lives, just like us gentiles.
This was a problem for the zionist leaders in pre-WW2 Germany as most “little jews” who had businesses in Weimar Germany had no desire to emigrate. They lived fine lives in Germany, controlled most businesses, the banks and the economy in general..
Most of the angst directed at the jews was a result of zionist leaders purposely colluding with the German government to “make life difficult” for the average jew, thereby “encouraging” them to emigrate to what was then known as Palestine.
The 1933 newspaper headline declaration: “Judea Declare War On Germany” certainly curried no favor with the average German, who quite often had a worse time economically than his jewish neighbors.
As to Kristallnacht, this was a one-day (night) affair that angered Hitler to the extreme as it spoiled plans and agreements that he had with the zionist leaders who were “running the show”, providing for an orderly emigration process.
It might interest historical types to know that it was zionist leaders who insisted that jews wear the “yellow star of david” as a means of identification, NOT the German government. This was all part of the zionist plan to marginalize German jews, making life difficult for them by design, encouraging emigration to Palestine.
One aspect of judaism that requires exploration is that of jewish solidarity and cohesiveness, which deserves commendation and emulation. The present-day problem is that today’s jews abhor other groups who desire to utilize this same solidarity and cohesiveness for themselves. This one aspect of jewish behavior does them no good and is but one more reason there is so much hatred and angst against jewish behavior. The main factor affecting jewish/gentile relations is the insistence that gentiles accept “multiculturalism and diversity” while jews do just the opposite. THAT is a major reason why (some) jews are hated. It’s the old “do as I say, not as I do” attitude that causes friction between jews and gentiles.
Dear Ignoramus, You have not read Mein Kampf; it is above your competency level (if you tried to, you didn’t get very far). It’s only very little about the Jews. If you want to quote from it, from where Hitler “pretty much” (according to you) declared war on the Jews, it’s online and not hard to find. [One of these days it will be, so read it now.] I can help: https://carolynyeager.net/mkvoli — this is an easier, condensed version for intellectually-challenged people like you. You’re welcome.
‘My response: Young Jewish children were too young to work and benefit the Germans. The survival of so many Jewish children at Auschwitz-Birkenau proves that the Germans were not engaged in a program of genocide against Jews during World War II.’
Yes — but to be fair, that these young children were present there in the first place could be taken to suggest that the Germans hadn’t taken the Jews to Auschwitz solely to make use of their labor.
To argue otherwise leads to the somewhat implausible position that the Germans were concerned for the happiness and well-being of the Jews, and didn’t want to break up their families. Why would young children be present at Auschwitz at all?
Indeed. Why not just kill them in their Hungarian ghettos? It would have been a lot easier and cheaper. Nothing stopped them. Why all that “selection” business?
Your mind is a wasteland. Since it was impossible to “gas and cremate” 400,000 persons before the war would come to an end, they must have had some other purpose in mind for doing what they did. Most of them did not stay at Auschwitz but after some quarantine time, were sent to other work camps. Wow, why didn’t you think of that?
I’ve just quoted from that tractate. It’s titled Niddah
No Fran, you posted a link to an opinion concerning another tractate (Ketubot).
If you don’t know which tractate is pertinent then don’t mislead by posting a link that deals with marital responsibilities and prenuptial agreements, etc.
And don’t get me started on the kol nidre (in you links). Especially on its sudden and controversial deployment in prayer books supplied to DPs by ‘US’ forces following the German surrender.
Do you any documentation to back this up? Especially the yellow stars. Honestly this sounds like the dumbest fairy tale I have ever heard. The Zionist wanted the Jews to wear yellow stars. Just show me something about the “little Jews” You sound as crazy as Carolyn which is really hard to do.
The Hitler government was upset over the deleterious effect this “disaster” would have on world public opinion, not on Zionist leaders. https://carolynyeager.net/closer-look-kristallnacht-1938-just-another-jewish-hoax. NS Germany was at a high point in world opinion at that time, after the Anschluss with Austria and their successful, peaceful installation of a protectorate in Czechoslovakia. This false flag-Jewish-manufactured attack was aimed at preventing the British from fulfilling their promise to the Arabs to stop further Jewish emigration into Palestine. However, it didn’t work.
You really think that the Hungarians were going to stand by while half a million Jews were shot, women and children, and thrown into shallow pits? You think so?
Any transportation records out of Auschwitz? If they had sent the Jews to other camps they would have made bill board signs, kept those records in iron clad drawers, because it would have proven that they didn’t murder the Jews. But there are no records, and there are no Jews. They are all dead. No one has ever seen or heard from them again. The survivors watched as their family members disappeared to the left towards one of the 6 crematoriums. Did you know that none of them ever left the building? Many people knew what was going on and tried mighty hard to stop the transporting of the Jews from Hungary. It made absolutely no sense in 1944, Eichmann himself went there to threaten everyone. The Hungarian officials. You know Carolyn the evacuation of the Hungarian Jews in 1944 to Auschwitz is really well documented, not by Jews, by Hungarian and German officials.
Why not find something out, some documentation, some clues as to what the fuck the Germans were thinking transporting all of those Hungarian Jews. To ship them to other camps. You know those SS photographs are pretty fucking explicit. Together with eye witness testimony, you would have to be a really separated from reality to not know that they were being murdered. UMMM let me see. Transport the Jews from a country Germany just invaded in 1944, when everyone had pretty much had it with transporting and slave labor, and let us ship them to a place where there are 5 big crematorium buildings with smoke stacks. Gosh, I just cannot imagine that they were sending them there to camp out at Auschwitz. Can you think of a scenario where this makes sense.
You sound like a very perverse disturbed person to be even be concerned about this. How does Kol Nidre in anyway affect your life? Seriously you sound like a sicko. Pouring over women’s menstrual cycles and 3 year old sex lives. Why do you have so much interest in this in such a perverse way?
Do you work or live in your mothers basement with your cats. Sick, sick crazy.
Anything published on Kol Nidre in dp camps? I would love to see that.
You might be right up there with Al who spends a lot of time on perversity. So much so it is obvious he is a deep pervert himself, Except the times when his parents have taken his computer away and he stops posting for a while. Have you seen his posts? You cannot make this shit up. He is a Catholic pervert, which makes the Talmud look saintly. You know what they do to little boys. Al posts a lot of sex stuff.
No Colin, that’s not the case at all.
You haven’t considered the so-called Jews-for trucks plan where the Jews came up with the idea of an exchange deal though Eichmann usually gets the ‘credit.’
You can read the Wiki version of the Eichmann/Brand farce here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Brand
This is the stripped down sped up Jewish version with important additional information from me concerning the manipulation of the British and their response.
So the story goes: Near the end of April 1944 a Hungarian Jew called Brand met with Eichmann who asked Brand to broker a deal with the non-Soviet allies. The deal we are told was to be 1 million Jews in exchange for 10,000 trucks, lots of tea and lots of soap, etc. (don’t laugh) “goods for blood” said Eichmann.
While Eichmann was supposed to be liaising with Berlin Brand was meant to liaise with the Jews and the Allies (but not the Soviets) so Brand decided to go to Istanbul (on papers supplied by Eichmann) and begin his negotiations there!
Eichmann told Brand (it is claimed) that if the Allies agreed then once he returned from Istanbul Eichmann would start releasing Jews at the rate of 100,000 per 1,000 trucks. You must bear in mind that at this time, Eichmann didn’t actually have any Hungarian Jews to exchange and so on the 15 May, allegedly the last day Brand and Eichman met, the round up and deportations to Auschwitz began.
Soon the Nazis had thousands of what looked like well fed and not abused Hungarian Jews (See Fran’s photos for a very relaxed scene at the station) suddenly gathering with their ‘going-away bags’ in Auschwitz. This situation is claimed to have continued until July when everything suddenly stopped.
What happened in July 1944?
On [Thurs] 6 July 1944, Winston Churchill was too busy to meet with WZO leader and eventual first President of Israel, Chaim Weizmann and fellow Zionist and eventual 2nd prime minister of Israel, Moshe Shertok, so Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden stood in for him.
At this meeting Eden was presented with a dossier of alleged German atrocities against the Jews waiting in Auschwitz. Among the claims concerning this ‘deportation’ of Hungarian Jews was that…
NB: The claimed capacity for ‘gassing and burning 60,000 a day’ is not a typo or misquote and is clearly absurd. The details of this meeting are hard if not impossible to find in mainstream history books.
Before leaving Eden, they gave him a 2 page Aid-Memoir to supplement their ‘evidence’. The quote above comes from the opening paragraph of that document and you will find a copy of it in Vol XXI Series A, The Letters and Papers of Chaim Weizmann, Appendix, p. 321. Also attached was the Wetzler/Vbra forgery.
That was Thurs 6 July. Following this meeting Eden then passed the information over to Churchill for his attention and on the Tuesday (11 July) next, he responded with a memo to Eden which is copied below….
From volume six, Triumph and Tragedy, p. 534, (The Folio Society Edition)
And with that July message broadcast to the Nazis, they now knew that the Jews had tricked them into a charade that to all intents and purposes looked like the very opposite of what it was actually meant to be.
So where did the Hungarian Jews go?
NB: “800,000” Hungarian Jews were never deported…
Source: https://www.jta.org/archive/more-jews-may-have-survived-in-europe-than-was-thought-possible-jdc-aides-report
This is a non working theory John, Some children survived, but more were killed. The two ideas do not lead to a negation of a German program of genocide against the Jews. It simply means what it says. Some children (maybe even a lot) survived, but much more were killed. They were murdered. If you arrive a train station holding your baby, a toddler, or your sisters baby, and the baby is given to someone else. In other words you loose track of the baby. You see it going in an opposite direction and you lose track. Are you saying that the baby was taken somewhere else? To a German family to be raised? Wouldn’t you John try hysterically to locate your sisters baby?. Like frantic. You ask everyone. And they tell you it was cremated. That is what is done in a crematoriums John. They cremate people to become ashes. If that baby were in the same line as other people who went missing. What do you think happened to those people? You try and find your family members, especially a child. Your child. It does not take much to find out the fate from other prisoners in the camp. It was not a secret. If that baby was not murdered. The Germans would have let the mother know where the child went. Why do you have so much trouble with this information.. Look at the Auschwitz album look at all of those old women and babies in the lines. They were never registered in the camp, they were never transported out of the camp. And no one has ever seen them again. They were cremated in the logical spot. A crematorium, specially designed for the fast burning of bodies. They put the babies in the oven muffles with the adults. That is what the Sonderkammandos said. But you found their testimony unreliable. What part was unreliable? That they but the babies with the adults 2 or three at a time in the muffles of the ovens. Seems logical to me.
You say that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz. No matter they never left the building other than in an ash state. You have to ask yourself why did the Germans transport babies to Auschwitz from Hungary in 1944? For what reason? I think the logical conclusion is that they wanted to rid Europe of as many Jews as possible, even as the war was ending.
There are records that exist on the amount of children that survived and the amount killed.
I’m sure you would but scoops aren’t to be wasted on turds that will not flush…like you.
That’s the only thing I ever took from Irving.
If what you write is true, the Jews had a funny way of repaying the Hungarian people for being Good Samaritans.
David Irving The 1956 Hungarian Uprising was an anti jewish revolt against the communist occupation of Hungary
Transcript of most pertinent excerpts:
Well what happened to the other 500,000? That is the amount reported as being murdered. Because someone sites a preposterous number of 60,000 cremated a day, does not make it null and void that there were no cremations happening in the crematoriums. Why put the crematoriums the 5 crematoriums at the arrival ramps at Auschwitz? If these crematoriums were being used for Typhus why not locate them at the hospitals? It all makes no sense.
The five crematoriums located within walking distance of the arrival ramps at the Auschwitz train platform seven one purpose. To cremate the arriving Jews.
‘Interesting article and book. Another fiction in the web of lies spun by the victorious allies and accepted by the prone Germans. I’m amazed that the allies were so able to destroy the German psyche with this fake horror porn. But I guess if your country is destroyed and occupied, women being raped from age 8 thru 80, men being starved and beaten, the survivors will be either the type that plots to one day take revenge, or to accept whatever their master tells them…’
Without actually agreeing with you, your theory does remind me of someone I knew.
Back in the late seventies, I lived in a rooming house in Berkeley owned by a half-cracked Pole named Walter Lubas. He was actually a hell of a nice guy, but possessed of some decidedly loony habits. Like, occasionally going off about what a great guy Adolf Hitler was, this being coupled with some very sincere Nazi salutes. Most of his tenants thought it was wonderfully comic.
The thing is, as a young teen, he’d been a slave laborer in Nazi Germany — and apparently not one of those who were treated nicely.
He’d adjusted. As of 1978, he was still adjusted.
Ditto for Germany.
‘You haven’t considered the so-called Jews-for trucks plan where the Jews came up with the idea of an exchange deal though Eichmann usually gets the ‘credit.’…’
But why would this proposal require physically moving all the Jews from Hungary to Silesia?
Surely, the Nazis could have made their threat credible more economically than that.
Now you want to claim that 800,000 were transferred and murdered!
No one today claims that 800,000 Hungarian Jews were deported and gassed between May and July 1944 except you. And you only do it out of desperation.
So the May 21 1945 report from the Jewish agency expressly states that “perhaps 300,000 Hungarian Jews deported enmasse about a year ago” [beginning May 15 1944] “may still be alive…and Hungarian Jews by the thousands are still pouring into Linz, Austria, after escaping from labor and concentration camps”
Fran, give it up, girl.
The Jewish agency working on the ground linked the Hungarian Jews that are “pouring in by the the thousands” directly to the May to July 1944 deportation.
It doesn’t get more explicit than that.
What you need to do is put your big girl’s blouse on and go find out what the Soviet ‘Red Army’ did with them….
‘You really think that the Hungarians were going to stand by while half a million Jews were shot, women and children, and thrown into shallow pits? You think so?’
This relates to something I cited a while back: the theory that the Jews could only be killed outside the boundaries of a functioning state. Whatever their other flaws, modern states do not start murdering their own inhabitants. That’s sort of the most elementary component of statehood; your government won’t actually kill you.
Be that as it may. It’s an interesting theory, and it fits the data.
However, the Hungarian episode also relates to something I noticed while reading some rather tedious tome on the Nazis and the Jews. Through repeated experience, the Nazis seemed to have learned that while the Germans were perfectly willing to imbibe the most outrageous propaganda concerning the Jews, they tended to jib when it came to actually doing anything. Hence the failure of the boycott, and the widespread disapproval of Kristalnacht. Even in the end, the Jews had to be ‘resettled in the East.’ They couldn’t be visibly murdered outright.
Perhaps ditto for the Hungarian Jews. The Nazis had learned that people would accept the Jews ‘going away’ even if they weren’t about to put up with them being killed right in front of them.
Everything is a Jewish revolt right? Those who spend their time living in the Babylonian Talmud looking for perverse quotes are themselves perverse. Deeply perverse, like Al. Perverse people find Jewish revolts everywhere. The entirety of your postings is all about proving the perversity of the Jews and Judaism, when in actuality it is the accusers like yourself and Al, and Irving that people view as perverse. Go look up Al’s Catholic plan for making the Jews pay for their criminality.
Just like Irving, the fill is manipulated to meet the end no matter what it takes. With Irving it was never about the science or the facts. Never. He held amazing amounts of information and facts. He twisted them trying to make the Jews look perverse, and in the end people rejected him, and found him twisted and perverse. The world just stood up and walked away from him. No more of that dude please. He the man, not his ideas were rejected.
And the same will happen to you, Carolyn and the others on this thread. Look at the perversity of Carolyn defending Hitler’s gassing of the physically and mentally disabled, and then turning around and accusing Hassidic Jews of criminal behavior, along with breeding an inordinate amount of physically and mentally disabled. Her claiming that the Jews are criminal but Hitler’s gassing the disabled was merciful. Like who decides who is disabled? Calling the Jews and not Hitler as being perverse, makes Carolyn look perverse. She will go down like the titanic. How about our poster boy Henryb worried about the Kol Nidre services at the DP camps? Henry intimates that something deeply perverse and disturbing went on in those Kol Nidre services and he has the scoop. What kind of person other than someone deeply perverse cares about the Jews and their Kol Nidre service.
So live your life in the Babylonian Talmud Geo, looking for all the perverseness you think you can pin on the Jews, and Judaism, knock yourself out, and watch peoples reaction. You are your own worst enemy. You cannot get out of your own way of your twisted perversity and the normal can smell it a mile away.
You keep saying the Talmud is not Jewish law. What IS Jewish law? Where is it? I know there are Jewish Courts, right here in the United States. Judaism is a religious faith based on Jewish scripture and Jewish law. It must be in Jewish books. Where is it found?
Oh, the normal can smell it, alright. But what they are beginning to smell is that there’s something deeply wrong in the Western world. What were once high performing, high trust societies are quickly spiralling into dysfunctional dystopias.
They’re starting to question why that is. Why are the foundations of their once healthy societies – the family, the church, the schools – being steadily eroded? But more importantly than why, they’re beginning to wonder by whom.
Most are familiar with the Weimar Republic and now they’re hearing people talk about Weimerica. They are hearing about Merrick Garfinkel’s (In)Justice Department going after parents who object to their children being exposed to sexually deviant behaviours in the classroom. They are hearing about Alejandro Mayorkas’ Department of Homeland Security allowing over a million migrants from the third world to cross the southern border in the last couple of years. And they’re hearing about Anthony Blinken’s State Department transferring billions of dollars to A Second Israel (the Ukraine) to fight a proxy war with the last remaining vestige of a Christian country, Russia.
The dots have converged so closely together that even a big chunk of the brainwashed are capable of connecting them. And when they do, more and more of them will realize that America has been turned into Weimerica. And they’ll soon start asking why and more importantly who’s responsible. And it isn’t just America. People throughout the Western world are waking up to the same reality. Something or someone has turned their once thriving homelands into desolate, dysfunctional shitholes.
And, once a critical mass is reached, no amount of gaslighting or pilpul will help!
What threat? You are giving the victors’ version of this farce.
Imagine herding 500,000 Jews into a holding camp that didn’t exist in a land locked country with porous borders on all sides!
Only Auschwitz had the size and facilities to hold the required number and it had direct rail-transport links in and out.
Bergen Belsen in Germany certainly couldn’t hold the number involved.
However:
No, it isn’t and no, it doesn’t. Just like all your theories, and your speculations, it’s a loser. Like a low-information voter, you’re a low-information theorist/speculator.
The reason the Hungarian Jews who WERE brought to Auschwitz (not 400,000) were, was because Hitler had been trying to convince H. leader Miklos Horthy to deport his Jews, but he was afraid to do it. Hitler wanted to show Horthy how much better life would be for the Hungarians without the Jews, as it was in Germany. And he wanted more labor. Taking the families makes sense because there was no one to take care of the wives and small children if the father left. It was a different situation in Western Europe and those men were paid and sent $ home to their families. They were even allowed to return home at intervals to spend time with them.
Your problem with saying: “modern states do not start murdering their own inhabitants” is that Germany was not murdering anyone and they knew it! You forget that the “murder of Jews” is a lie. Oh, that’s right, you believe that it happened. You and Fran.
It’s the same with your idea that the German people were willing to “imbibe the most outrageous propaganda concerning the Jews,” but unwilling to take any action. (I think you’re projecting your own problem here!) You’re forgetting that the German people KNEW that the propaganda concerning the Jews was true. They knew what the Jews had done and were doing to their society & nation. They just thought the Jews they knew were different, were innocent of that, and they didn’t want them harmed or to turn them in, if necessary. People are the same everywhere.
And the non Jews are all Shabbos Goys like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Kamal Harris, Ms. mass immigration herself. And the Jewish Millers are just window dressing. Blaming the Jews is like the sun coming up in the morning for Jew haters. Round them up. Go for it. See what happens.
Fran do you get to feed on a cream cheese bagel every time you call a commentator perverse?
15 times you used it.
I just can’t think of another reason for your obsession. Really, it’s quite perverse.
That’s quite some oratory, or poetic writing you produced there, geokat. I want you to know it was a pleasure to read, and I’m impressed.
Oy vey. The Torah contains Jewish law, but the Torah is much more than that, it is a road map to live by. Jewish law and western Jurisprudence are the same. You might saw that Western jurisprudence started with the 10 commandments. There is no separate Jewish court of law.
The 10 Commandments
You shall have no other God’s before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images. …
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. …
Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy. …
Honor your father and mother. …
Thou shalt not kill. …
Thou shalt not commit adultery. …
Thou shalt not steal.
(((Stereotypical psychopathology)))—Jews like Chabad Fran insist that we excuse or ignore Judaism’s genocidal and perverse fundamentals. Jews like Chabad Fran insist that we excuse or ignore Jewish crimes against humanity inspired by satanic Judaism. With typically inverted morality, Jews like Chabad Fran criticize —and threaten and kill!!!— those who notice and report Judaism’s enduring misanthropic precepts, perversions, and crimes against humanity.
It bears repeating that REAL HOLOCAUST HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED…yet This time it is not just one nation that is awakening to the Jewish Problem, but the entire world. Where will you go this time? Pluto? Your best temporal hope, Chabad Fran, is that merciful Catholics are in charge of the trials. If your non-Christian/anti-Christian golems are in charge of the coming trials and turn on you, you are lost. I urge you to abjure and oppose Chabad’s agenda: http://judaism.is/chabad.html Encourage your people to do the right and decent thing this time lest events swallow every last one of your 0.2%. It is overdue for you stiff-necked people to learn from your past behavior. Stop doing what you do lest you reap what you have always and everywhere sown.
You nailed that! Thank you and Bravo!
Archbishop Vigano Appeals for a Worldwide Anti-Globalist Alliance
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Fran won’t tell for a Dayan may invoke din rodef
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodef
Even babies that go full term can be considered Rodef and be dealt with accordingly…
Ah, nooooo. Western jurisprudence was handed down to us primarily from the Ancient Greeks and Romans. These pre Christian societies functioned perfectly well independently from any knowledge of the very rudimentary Mosaic Law (that was taken from the ancient Babylonians, see king Hammurabi’s code).
Thanks for the kind words, Carolyn… I appreciate it.
Geo the Talmudic scholar who mimics like a baboon.
The Talmud is the codification of the oral law, (which after the defeat and exile to Babylonia was feared to be lost). It is Written by Ezra the scribe in 500 c.. and continued to evolve with commentary for the following 200 years. The pink in the page below is called the Madrash, the actual portion of the Oral law being discussed The surrounding is commentary by sages and rabbis, all arguing with each other like pilpul. No one sage is correct. It is a series of opinions, that clowns like Henryb and Geo take snippets from to misrepresent as laws. They repeat these snippets like baboons, even when The Talmud and its layout is explained. The closer the commentary text to the pink Midrash, the older and more important the sage. Any one commentary you pull from this page represents one rabbis opinion. Some of the discussions are about laws in the Torah. To interpret one rabbi’s opinion as law, is a deliberate misrepresentation of the meaning or its significance. Liars do this.
Of course, Chabad Fran is obsessed about perversion: http://judaism.is/perversion.html
Thank you too for the Jewish “ethics” excerpt on abortion. I will be adding it to my “Abortion is from the Jews” page: http://judaism.is/abortion.html
Pre Christian religions based on paganism and the idol worship of poly gods like Romans gods and Egyptian pharaohs, created class systems headed by god leaders, who lorded over inferior slaves. Citizens were not equal and could never rise to equality. Pre Christian societies did little to educate and advance the non elite citizens. Judaism based on monotheism took away all the god like human rulers, making everyone equal under the one divine not human God, who viewed all of humanity the same. Monotheism was a revolutionary concept. Judaism led the way. The cornerstone of the evolution of man as his own master.
Judaism was the first religion based on ethical monotheism. Judaism influenced the development of Christianity and Islam, and had a major influence on Western civilization – Christianity, the eventually dominant religious faith of the West, was in large part of the Hebrew religion.
German photo taken by one of their propaganda companies, two days into Barbarossa, in Lithuania, June 24, 1941. A PFC in the Wehrmacht harangues two elderly Jews. According to the original caption they were given brooms and shovels and made to clean up the place.
What I find interesting about this photo is that two days into the biggest military invasion in history, with bitter fighting under way in Lithuania at that point, German soldiers even had time for this kind of thing. Perhaps in the sequel, unreported by the propaganda company, they were removed and shot after doing the clean-up.
I think Dostoyevsky underwent a similar evolution. Arrested, brutally treated, sent off to Siberia, he learned the error of his ways and later on presented revolutionaries as the big threat. “He loved Big Brother.”
Despite trying your best to disengage from me, Fran, the force of my arguments compelled you to do otherwise, LOL!
Hang on… didn’t you just admit to all of us in comment #984 that “i have never read the Talmud”? If this is true, how could you possibly know that we are misinterpreting it? Makes no sense. Must be some kind of Talmudic logic or something, LOL
“Citizens”? What a peculiar term, Fran. I wonder how it originated and what it means?
Prior to the development of the concept of “democracy,” the term that was used to describe the power relationship between the masses of people and their ruler (more likely than not a king) was “subject,” Fran. The ancient Israelites were not citizens of Solomon’s kingdom, they were his subjects.
It was the Ancient Greeks who came up with the revolutionary concept of a “citizen,” Fran. They developed the idea that each citizen had an equal say in matters and should cast his ballot in favour or against a proposed policy decision. Pretty radical stuff, huh Fran?
Everyone’s equal under Judaism, huh Fran? If that’s so, why did 75% of the Jewish households in the southern slave states in the 1830s America own slaves, Fran. Why was the owner of the largest fleet of slave ships a Sephardic Jew, named Aaron Lopez? Why were slave traders predominantly Jewish, Fran? So much so that auctioning of slaves was suspended on the sabbath? No, no matter how hard you try and pitch that Talmudism promotes equality of all peoples, it simply isn’t true. There’s simply too much proof that refutes that lie.
Here’s the problem with this statement, Fran. Judaism developed a set of ethical codes exclusively for the Jewish people. The Mosaic laws applied to Jews alone. The Talmud proves this. The Talmud explicitly teaches two sets of ethical rules, one for the tzadiks and one for the goyim. No matter how much you try and deceive us that this isn’t the case, it simply is. Why, the Great Eagle even taught that rather than slaying the goyim when the Jewish people occupy more dominant positions in any society, they should give them the option of becoming a Noahide slave – i.e., someone who doesn’t follow the 10 Mosaic Laws, but should follow instead the 7 Noahide Laws. You can’t get any more discriminatory than that, Fran LOL.
So, rather than practicing a particularistic set of ethical rules, Ancient Greek philosophers – Socrates, Plato and Aristotle – developed a set of ethical principles that were “universalistic,” This is a fancy word that means the opposite of “particularistic,” in that these ethical principles applied to everyone, not just to members of an exclusive group. Now that’s some really radical stuff, huh Fran?
So, rather than trying to sell Talmudism/Judaism as some kind of revolutionary ethical rules, stick to characterizing it as you normally do when a few of us quote from it to cite some of the vile, discriminatory passages… “it’s just a Bronze Age religion developed thousands of years ago that shouldn’t be judged by the universal principles of the modern age”… not realizing these universal ethical principles were established over two millennia ago by the Ancient Greeks, LOL.
I’ve been rallying against “male genital mutilation” for more than a few decades now. The premise that “it helps in hygiene of that part of the body” doesn’t hold water, but many people and even medical professionals still believe that premise.
Removal of a healthy, normal functioning body part without medical necessity is a crime. Period.
There is an old jewish proscription against being “counted”, either for census purposes or other statistical analysis. This holds true today, at least in the USA, the Department of Commerce (which runs the census) is prohibited from defining jews as an ethnicity. It is OK to categorize others by ethnicity, but not jews.
“Male genital mutilation” is used to further enforce this “blurring” of ethnicity as many gentiles are themselves “circumcised” mutilated.. This is much less the case in most other countries, but is relatively common in the USA.
There is another more sordid aspect to “male genital mutilation” when performed on a jewish male infant.
The dirty “mohel” conducting the circumcision routinely fellates (metzitzah b’peh) the male jewish child, passing any STDs that he may possess to the child.
As STDs can remain dormant for years and even decades, they are commonly undiagnosed and do result in mental illness. There are many documented cases of STDs being passed on from “mohel” to infant…not good–some even resulting in death of the infant.
As a result, most jewish psychoses are a result of mental illness brought on by the unsanitary and traumatic processes involved in this barbaric and unnecessary procedure.
It is long overdue to outlaw this barbaric practice worldwide. If jews want to have it done, they can go to israel…
The zionist dream since the 1800s was give jews a “homeland”, Palestine. The Balfour agreement was created by Great Britain (which had no legal authority to do so–allowing the jews to steal Palestine from its present inhabitants) in exchange for shekels to finance WW1. The “wheels were set in motion” when WW2 was forced on Germany. As was the case, the zionists financed WW2 as well. The phony “holocaust™” sealed the deal.
As many prescient people wanted to be rid of the jews, allowing (((them))) to steal Palestine was seen as being reasonable–not a good idea–which is still plaguing the world to this day.
Even President Harry Truman got in on the act, promising to recognize the theft of Palestine by the jews with his recognition of israel in exchange for zionist shekels to support his campaign.
It is interesting to note that before the “creation” of israel, the USA had no enemies in the middle east.
Know israel, no peace.
No israel, know peace.
We are presently witnessing the formation of israel 2.0…Ukraine.
Everything Fran posts about subjects like the Talmud, she copy/pastes off the Internet, whether she credits it or not. She doesn’t write any of it herself. She doesn’t know any of it. She is able to go to the search box and type in a couple words or a question and, voila!, up comes what she wants.
Nothing about Jews and posted/written by Jews is censored. Everything opposing the Jewish version of life & history IS now censored. So she has plenty of help. We have to be much smarter.
So now you say the Torah (first five books of the Old Testament, for any who don’t know) and the 10 Commandments (found within the Torah), is the only law, and “There is no separate Jewish court of law.” Yet the Chief Rabbis of Israel say there are rabbinical courts called Beth Din or Beit Din that are functioning “all around the globe” and in the USA. https://www.beth-din.org/rabbinical-court :
It seems what’s happening here is that you, who used to identify as an Ultra-Orthodox Jew who regularly “hung out” at a shul, have now dropped that and reverted to Ultra-Reform Judaism of a very liberal nature. Back in this thread somewhere, you wrote that “I no longer defend the Hassidic’s” or very close to that. So now you downplay every tradition of Orthodoxy and say essentially “no one cares or pays attention to that except Jew-haters like the folks here.”
As I’ve always said, you want to have it all ways. No logic, no consistency. But I say there IS Jewish Law, but modern, liberal reform Jews don’t follow it or fear it. They congregate around the “Holocaust of 6 million Jews” instead, and you are one of those. This shows that Judaism is not a serious or cohesive, well-thought out Religion, but a very divided, very sloppy sect-like RACE of Middle-Eastern origin that, through the traits of greed, shrewdness and a lack of principles, managed to infiltrate many nations of the world and, by thievery & dishonesty, become powerful — just as Adolf Hitler said.
Have you begun reading Mein Kampf yet so you can speak more accurately about what Hitler actually said and stood for?
Much of what I post is from the internet. Not sure why you would worry about what a page from the Talmud looks like. I do know enough to discus the misuse of it by Jew haters, and I know very specifically the Talmud’s place in Jewish liturgy. That is the entire point. I know enough to know that Geo and Al are full of shit. No I have never read he Talmud. As I have said before studying the Talmud requires you to be a rabbi or rabbinic student first. Even then studying the Talmud is a full time job. .The Talmud is not for the lay person. The talmud a codification of the oral law, and the way the page is set up with various commentators, is familiar to me. I also know that it is dense, and cannot be literally translated. Referring to the Talmud has always seemed like lunacy, the hair splitting, the archaic nature of the issues, the complete lack of context that can only be understood by scholars, has always seemed strange to most Jews. All this especially the context is rifle for moronic Jew haters like Al and Geo to use to propagate their Jew hatred. What is frustrating is that when you point out the misuse, they reject it and keep using it, as if their brain is motorized for Jew hatred and that is it. It is deeply perverse. Jew haters like your self are deeply disturbed and perverse, in refusing to understand the precepts of Judaism, how old it is and the various stages of its history. You instead condemn it as satanic and evil.
When I run into these Jew haters use of archaic Talmudic quotes designed to stoke Jew hatred, I run to a Talmudic scholar and ask him about it. It is explained and then I just move on.
The Talmud was written under immense insecurity about Christianity, The first century when Christianity was being formed as an independent religion it was designed to convert Jews. As Christianity went further into the Roman sphere man like gods like Zeus and Apollo, Jesus became a demi god as well as the mother and father, the holy trinity. 1st century Judaism was terrified that Jews would convert and that Judaism would be lost, so there is intense hatred for Christianity in the Talmud, and intense hatred for Jesus. The 1st century Jews thought Jesus was the worst thing to happen to Judaism. So the Talmud is full of stay away from Christians at all costs. Jesus was originally meant to be part of Judaism, but as it moved into the Roman god-pagan system it became antithetical to the one god concept of Judaism. It was viewed as a war for the soul of monotheism.
It is too bad that Christianity did not just start fresh and not include the Jews and the old testament in its liturgy, Just start a new religion, independent of Judaism would have been much simpler.
The Torah knows nothing of Christianity as it was written before Jesus. The Torah is universal, unlike what Geo says, it claims that all humans are equal under the eye of a divine god. It charges the Jews with spreading this monotheism to the rest of the world. A righteous gentile is as holy as a Jewish high priest. All non Jews have a portion of the world to come. This you will find in the Torah and the Prophets not in the Talmud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_the_chosen_people
What strikes me is that the photo (if what Geokat posted is the same one) seems to perfectly capture one facet of the Nazi attitude towards Jews. ‘Us regenerated Germans aren’t going to take any of your nonsense: get to work!’
Even if one doesn’t get sucked into adopting their ideology, it’s important to grasp how people were looking at things if you want to genuinely understand why they did what they did.
Here we are again. Another day and another big lie from the Cheswolde Chicken Swinger!
Lsten up, fatso…..The Midrash is all I quoted. It was you who posted the links to the twisted rabbis. Even then you couldn’t find the correct tractate (Niddah). You didn’t even know what it was called.
And that’s because Shlomo won’t let Yenta into the nodding-donkey room. lol
WTF are you talking about.? This is such hysterical Momo Jumbo. This is just hysterical nonsense. You are entitled to your view of Judaism. So be it. What do I care. You are a deeply disturbed, perverse person, void of reality. You make up how many Jews went to Auschwitz and what happened to them contrary to all the specifics that are shown to you by the people in charge. You just say what is true and what is not. Talk about sloppy! Talk about wanting it both ways! You are ridden with conflict and distortion of reality.
All reglions have their own theological leaders to decide the laws within the religion. How to convert etc. How to keep kosher. Similar to The pope, or the anglican priest. They set up the structure of the religion, and rules of the religion. Jews are bound by the civl laws of nation that they live in. The laws for theft, murder, and all criminal behavior. The same as Catholics, Quakers, whatever. Most of the Jurisprudence in democratic governments comes from Judaism. This is acknowledged quite a lot by the founding fathers. There is a freeze of Moses in the capital buildings
How many trains from Hungary to Auschwitz, How many Jews were transported there? How many Hungarian Jews survived? Where are the missing Jews? The mothers whose children were ripped away from them.
Where is ever Hungarian Jewish families missing relatives?
Why not start with logic.
I said I am no longer defending Hassidic Jews to YOU on this thread. The Lakewood Jews etc.I will not waste my time with such nonsense.
‘…One would be surprised at the discoveries made in science by picking at the inconsistencies, the illogical, and by doing so, discovering great truths.’
Actually, I think this is an error a lot of you make.
You assume that history can be reduced to something like mathematics, or even one of the sciences — a matter of absolute certainties, of perfect clarity.
It’s not that way. As Tolstoy pointed out, history is made up of innumerable individuals, pursuing their individual concerns, and recalling what happened afterwards with greater or lesser fidelity or accuracy.
It’s a mess, and there will always be inconsistencies and uncertainties. Selectively choosing among them is a great way of deceiving yourself as to what happened, not of discovering the truth.
No one may ever be able to ‘prove’ the Holocaust happened. Counter-arguments can always be drummed up. The response of anyone who is actually familiar with the reality of the study of history — and the limitations of that study — is not going to be to simply declare ‘oh it didn’t happen then.’
It did happen. That’s the only way of explaining the great mass of the data. Sure as Napoleon invaded Russia — whatever the experiences and memories of each individual participant in the event.
‘I think Dostoyevsky underwent a similar evolution. Arrested, brutally treated, sent off to Siberia, he learned the error of his ways and later on presented revolutionaries as the big threat. “He loved Big Brother.”’
Of course, to be fair to Dostoyevsky, he turned out to be prescient — in the worst way possible. The revolutionaries were the big threat.
Thank you for clarifying this, it’s important to know. And this is one thing I applaud you for, Fran, is that you are open about who you are and everything about you; you don’t hide anything and that is rare. I for one appreciate it. You have no fear, in fact.
You did, however, stop at Hassidic Jews and did not finish the sentence, so I was left wondering.
‘…The five crematoriums located within walking distance of the arrival ramps at the Auschwitz train platform seven one purpose. To cremate the arriving Jews.’
Score another one for Fran. Unless the maps of the layout of Auschwitz I looked at are complete forgeries, she’s right. The crematoriums aren’t anywheres near the hospital or even the bulk of the housing for actual workers. They’re right where arrivals would detrain.
It’s like one of those archeological sites where it’s realized these ditches couldn’t have been for irrigation; that makes no sense. They were there to keep the temperature above freezing at night.
Ditto for the crematoriums; their location implies they were there more to incinerate the bodies of new arrivals than to deal with incidental deaths among laborers and the hospitalized.
One has to realize that reality does not conform to one’s ideological preferences. What happened is not a function of what one wishes had happened. I would certainly prefer it if the Americans hadn’t massively mistreated the German POW’s they took at the end of the war — but sadly, it would appear my preferences don’t enter into the matter.
You write about the Holocaust: “It did happen. That’s the only way of explaining the great mass of the data.”
My response: Certainly there are millions of Jewish survivors of the “Holocaust” who will tell you their stories. Certainly there are people who will ask you to trace where every Hungarian Jew went, and if you can’t trace them all, they will declare they died in the so-called Holocaust. But what is this “great mass of the data” you are referring to?
NO, you are wrong–once again. I do not assume such a thing, nor do I think any other non-believer in the “Holocaust” story assumes that either. Where is the EVIDENCE for your belief that this is so?
You have not used the word EVIDENCE anywhere in this comment. How can you write what you did without bringing up the evidence for one side or the other? You’re trying to present this as just an arbitrary selection based on a preference: ” … there will always be inconsistencies and uncertainties.” No there won’t, not if there is enough evidence of one over the other! Of course, you may always choose to disagree or doubt based on loyalties instead of evidence (African-Americans do that all the time), and you do, so I guess you should only be speaking about yourself instead of lecturing/preaching to the non-believers who base their non-belief on, yes, evidence.
In your stupidity — you refuse to read a single revisionist book from cover to cover, even an easy one — you say it all comes down to the testimony of “each individual participant in the event” and they vary, or don’t agree (in your last paragraph.) How ignorant is that!! You really keep making a fool of yourself.
Chabad Fran’s claim that talmudic Judaism is monotheistic a lie. God repeatedly damned the Israelites for worshiping and fornicating with “strange gods”—plural! Deuteronomy 31:16 & 20; Josue 23:16; Judges 2:20; 1 Kings (1 Samuel) 8:8; Jeremias 11:10 & 31:31-32; Malachias 2:8-12; Mark 7:8-13; Matthew 15:6; et al. Of course, God’s judgments against the Jews in the Old Testament are among the reasons that Jews continue their attempts to “defeat” God (Bava Metzia 59b) and denigrate the Tanakh as inferior to the Talmud (“Torah”)
Those Israelites eventually came to be known as Pharisees and, after Christ, as talmudic Jews. Today’s Jews still preserve their worship and fornication with “strange gods.” These pervs are still porking their “goddess Shekinah” to achieve “zivug” (sexual union). http://judaism.is/paganism.html#zivug The pervs also insist that God is a hermaphrodite: http://judaism.is/torah-on-trannies.html Such a disturbed satanic people.
Her lame attempt to explain “Torah” was, as you expect, deceptively incomplete. http://judaism.is/torah.html
“…No one may ever be able to ‘prove’ the Holocaust happened. …”
“…It did happen. That’s the only way of explaining the great mass of the data…”
That’s the problem, there is no consistent, coherent, data. The so-called eye witnesses could not provide consistent, believable, coherent, testimony as proved in the Zuendel trials in Toronto.
The German documentation is so twisted in the translation as to be laughable; but worse, from what I have read, for none of the documentation furnished during the Nuremberg trials, are the ORIGINALS available anywhere!
Furthermore, any documentation that proved innocence of the accused was not permitted in evidence. To wit: The German Sterbebuecher of Auschwitz, and the report by the International Red Cross, which were just waved-off by our resident Jewess Franny here.
And, none other than the curator of the Bad Arolson NSDAP archives was forced to admit that none of the documents in his archives show any evidence of any holocaust.
Repeating the same fairy tales over and over again, now for 80 years or more, does not make them true.
As I have demonstrated in my earlier posts above, examined at the nitty-gritty level with scientific, engineering, and logistics, principles, the tales of the holi hoax crumble like a house of cards. For myself this is sufficient to be highly doubtful of any Jewish claims.
Only the shrill repetition by the Jewish-controlled media keeps this nonsense of the holi six million alive in the public mind.
Once again, you are showing your massive ignorance and even stupidity. The “Incoming” or “new arrivals” had to go through the “dis-infestation” process first thing, meaning haircutting; showers and de-lousing; new, fresh clothing and shoes; and assignment to a barracks. This was in the crematoriums, which housed the showers, which later were claimed to be gas chambers!! Remember? Also the “Sauna” building was there, which was fully dedicated to the disinfection process. Got it?
So take back your frigging preaching and smugness; it’s totally misplaced.
Well, now that you mention it. Speaking to AIPAC in 2019, Nancy Pelosi boasted that her father was a real life Shabbos goy and even spoke Yiddish. Her father and brother were such ardent Zionists that they had groves and playing fields named for them in Eretz Yisrael.
Zion Biden? All of his children are married to Jews. He’s such a Shabbos goy, he even is on record telling a Jewish reporter, you don’t have to be Jewish to be a Zionist.
Then there’s Kamala Harris who is married to Doug Emhoff. Should she replace Zion Biden, the US will have a de facto Jewish president… as if Ron Klain isn’t the de facto US president, now.
[sigh] Chabad Fran http://judaism.is/chabad.html has trotted out all the formulaic lies of the rabbis. For a millennium following Christ, Christians mistakenly believed that Jews were just people of the Old Testament who had rejected and murdered their Messiah. That bubble of innocence burst when sincere converts from Judaism revealed the foundational teachings of Judaism. Those shocking revelations—the non-human status of Gentiles, genocidal and other imprecations against Christians, blasphemies, perversions, and megalomaniacal presumptions—warranted confirmation. Due to the revelations of sincere converts such as Nicholas Donin, St. Vincent Ferrer, Jerónimo de Santa Fe, Johannes (Josef) Pfefferkorn, et al., further investigations were ordered, including the Disputations of Paris (1240 A.D.) and Tortosa (1413-1414 A.D.). Having no serious defense against the substantiated accusations, the rabbis involved slinked away humiliated. Since the Disputations, the rabbis have codified several types of lies:
(1) that the Talmud is just a “series of debates” without halakhic legal authority;
(2) the plain words of the Talmud don’t really mean what they say;
(3) claiming that the “context” excuses the Talmud’s horrifying precepts; and
(4) failure to submit to the lies is “antisemitic.” [excuse my laughter] http://judaism.is/torah.html
An example—”Kill even the best of the gentiles” (Palestinian Talmud, tractate Soferim 15 (10). Fran has claimed that this must be “understood” in the “context” of the “Bronze age” and that no Jews believe in the genocidal precept today BUT THAT LIE IS EXPOSED! The Israeli government (namely, American gentile tax slaves) funded Rabbi Shapira’s Torat Hamalech (“The Complete Guide to Killing Gentiles”). http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128767.html AND Another orthodox group, Ne’emanei Torah Va’Avodah, touts the genocidal precept here: http://toravoda.org.il/node/3398 You can use online translation to read “Kill Gentiles good….”
As if any “context” excuses “Kill Gentiles,” a variety of subterfuges and excuses are proffered in hopes of redeeming the irredeemably genocidal exhortation.
The rabbis’ calls to murder are still in the news. • Rabbinic Text or Call to Terror?
By Daniel Estrin
Published January 20, 2010, issue of January 29, 2010.
JERUSALEM — The marble-patterned, hardcover book embossed with gold Hebrew letters looks like any other religious commentary you’d find in an Orthodox Judaica bookstore — but reads like a rabbinic instruction manual outlining acceptable scenarios for killing non-Jewish babies, children and adults.
“The prohibition ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’” applies only “to a Jew who kills a Jew,” write Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and attacks on them “curb their evil inclination,” while babies and children of Israel’s enemies may be killed since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.”
http://forward.com/articles/123925/
‘That’s the problem, there is no consistent, coherent, data. The so-called eye witnesses could not provide consistent, believable, coherent, testimony as proved in the Zuendel trials in Toronto.’
But that’s just it. As I keep pointing out, the very nature of the beast is that most of the authentic eye witnesses are — ipso facto — dead. Many of the rather small remainder are going to be disinclined to discuss it. Shall I tell you about my most traumatic experiences? I don’t think I will.
Of the remainder, many are going to be people who’d rather not talk about precisely what they did to survive. That — disproportionately — leaves liars and fantasists.
Why should you believe everyone who volunteers to ‘testify’ about the Holocaust? Almost necessarily, a lot of them are going to be telling you stories.
I imagine we could ‘prove’ 9/11 didn’t happen — at all. Just find everyone with an improbable or inconsistent story and line them up. And that’s for an event where most of the witnesses survived and most of them have nothing to hide.
‘…But what is this “great mass of the data” you are referring to?’
I’ll admit I keep refusing to review my beliefs in the matter, and of course that is both unfair and in at least a sense infuriating.
All I can plead is that there are only so many hours in the day, and so many days in the week. Today, for example, I really need to get around to wiring the lights for the trailer — not looking into the reality of the Holocaust.
One has to pick and choose. For example, I’ve promised myself I’ll delve further into Bacque’s (sp?) allegations about US treatment of German POW’s. That has some reasonable likelihood of having something to it. But the Holocaust? I just don’t have time — and I’m just too sure it happened. About all I’m willing to do is what I am doing — play Greek chorus while you and Fran, et al go at it.
Nonsense. Anyone who wasn’t present on the day can see the recorded evidence of the 9/11 attack on New York. Anyone who wishes to deny that evidence then has to enter Cloud Cuckoo Land to make their case.
I’ve heard all sorts of reasons why the buildings went down but I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks he could “prove 9/11 didn’t happen!”….until now.
Wtf are you smoking, Colin?
So you are now an expert on the Midrash? You quoted it. Wow. Maybe I can get you a job at the Talmudic academy in Brooklyn, since you can read and quote the Midrash. What is it about the explanation that the Midrash cannot be literally translated dick brain that you do not understand? It has been explained time and again. Seriously do you not understand that Midrash is a textural mapping exercise starting in 400 BC with Aramaic to 1200 AD. How is your Aramaic Henry?
Keep quoting the Midrash to look for Jew hatred, and like Al see how stupid you are. Look no further than Al. In reality you have know idea what the fuck you are talking about. 400 BC is a long time ago.
So how come the showers and sauna were located in the Crematorium? Seems like an odd place shower and shave. Why are the crematoriums (all fucking 5 of them. Huge buildings) next to the arrival platform at the train station, especially if they were designed to take care of Typhus deaths? Would you want to move a contagious Typhus ridden corpse through the camp to the railroad station? Why not put the crematorium next to the hospital, near where the people died? Pretty illogical to have a crematorium at a train arrival platform for Typhus deaths.
Why was there the need for a selection process as shown on the SS photographs of clearly defined lines. Some going to the right towards the camp and some moving in lines to the left towards the crematoriums? Some prisoners got showers and some are to remain dirty? Why didn’t every one who arrived go to the showers. Did babies need to be separated from their mothers, and grandmothers?
You refuse to grasp the situation which is as plain as day. With thousands upon thousands of people discussing the selection process. A selection process for what? Is there any proof that there were showers and a sauna there. Anything to back that up. Did the people walk from the crematorium after their shower to another place? Like did they walk to Switzerland? Did a car pick them up? What is it about disappear and never seen again do you not understand. If the Germans had put them somewhere safe, or they left with another transport, the Germans would have told you. They would have screamed it. “Look the Jews are all safe, warm and feed at ——–” Those Jews did not die, we did not kill them. Look there they are alive. No Carolyn? Does that sound logical. People died in that crematorium, they left in smoke coming out of the chimney. Go find those Jews. Find the babies that went with the grandmothers. Look at those photos of the old and children walking towards the crematorium for their showers, to never come out.
There is not even a small inkling of a question. Why? Because thousands of people tell the same story, Germans, Jews, Poles, Hungarians. All the same story.
Oh, my god … is this lame or what? This is the lamest reason for “dodging” I have ever heard. It’s the most obvious dodging and the most pathetic ‘admission’ of “All-I-can-do-is avoid-answering-your-question-because-I-have-no-answer“ever seen in “holocaust” debating. Must be.
Are you guys ready to take the gloves off with Colin Wright, and quit your gentle (gentile?) treatment of the liar? You’re sure willing to do it with Fran, but you’re not willing to do it with Colin. What’s the difference? None at all that I can see. You may notice that Colin refuses to reply to my comments bc I don’t leave him any ‘wiggle room.’ John W. didn’t leave him any wiggle room in his last reply, so Colin was forced into the b.s. about “not having time,” although he spends time on irrelevant chit-chat. He excuses himself from replying to me by saying I “insult” him and “abuse” him. Well, that doesn’t stop Fran, lol. No, it’s because he doesn’t have any wiggle-room to change the subject.
‘…I’ve heard all sorts of reasons why the buildings went down but I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks he could “prove 9/11 didn’t happen!”….until now.
‘Wtf are you smoking, Colin?’
We need a ‘you’re missing the point’ button.
It should come with a grinding the teeth emoji.
Fran, I feel your pain but it’s ok. You just didn’t know what you were talking about. lol
Now repeat after me…N-I-D-D-A-H-44-b…and remember to keep nodding your head like a dumbass donkey until it sinks in.
You write: “There is not even a small inkling of a question. Why? Because thousands of people tell the same story, Germans, Jews, Poles, Hungarians. All the same story.”
My response: You forget that large numbers of people say they were at Auschwitz-Birkenau and other German camps and did not see an extermination program against the Jews. How can we ignore all of these people? Can we merely write them off as anti-Semites? I think not.
Besides, as I have mentioned in previous comments, the eyewitness testimony to the so-called Holocaust is extremely unreliable and contradictory. You also have the problem that the existence of homicidal gas chambers has been scientifically disproven. You might want to read my articles at
https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200 for more information.
You’re right and I’ve had enough of this weasel-like dodging. Says he “Imagines we can prove 9/11 didn’t happen – at all” but the Holocaust crap which he calls “data” seems to be all that’s holding his body n mind together.
He keeps asking where the Hungarian Jews went if not up the chimney but everytime he gets the info below (from contemporary sources) he fails to respond and carries on as if it doesn’t exist.
He’s had his answer…..
Jewish Joint Committee workers tell the Jewish Telegraph Agency that thousands of the Hungarian Jews who were deported in May to July 1944 are alive in Soviet occupied Austria – perhaps 300,000 with thousands more pouring in every day!
“…And that’s for an event where most of the witnesses survived and most of them have nothing to hide. …”.
There were many people who spoke out against the assertions of holocaustianity; these never received wide circulation in the mass media. Why? Because there was no money to be made off them!!!
Many books have been written that question holocaustianity; most by amateurs with no axe to grind and no payment from official channels; unlike the Court Historians who better toe the politically correct narrative or lose their jobs or perks of office.
Arthur Butz and Norman Finkelstein immediately spring to mind. I can name others with a modicum of searching.
Why were these individuals, plus numerous others, pilloried, career destroyed, beaten up (this happened to a holocaust survivor in France, who questioned the common narrative), and nearly killed? All of these acts were carried out by holocaustians; none, EVER, by holohoax skeptics.
These are the reasons why many, including yours truly, prefer to remain anonymous. We don’t get paid for our opinions, thus we don’t risk our health and livelihood. Whereas the mainstream holocaustians are well paid in their post, or receive blackmail money from Germany.
You know there is a lot about male masterbation in the Niddah tractate, which you can understand now that you have become a Talmud scholar, both you, Al, and Geo will find this tractate very helpful, since masterbation is the only way any of you get off. What woman is going to have sex with vermin like you, Geo and Al.. Study that Midrash Henry!!
Many books have been written that question holocaustianity; most by amateurs with no axe to grind and no payment from official channels; unlike the Court Historians who better toe the politically correct narrative or lose their jobs or perks of office.
Arthur Butz and Norman Finkelstein immediately spring to mind. I can name others with a modicum of searching.
Norman Finkelstein’s entire family both survived and died in the Holocaust. He does not like Judaism, but he does not deny the Holocaust. Whoops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein
Vermin? You know I love you, Fran… but you resent the fact that I love the truth more, LOL
Yes Carolyn. Look at those photos and believe
Franny, I think she might believe if she could just hear some music….lol.
Let’s try this on her
‘…Norman Finkelstein immediately spring to mind…’
! Norm Finkelstein certainly does not deny the Holocaust,
With that sheet over your head you can pretend I’m Elie Wiesel!
So don’t expect any tattoos….
This is from a Q&A in the Forward, with Finkelstein. I was born the same year as he was. He corroborates everything I have written on this thread. He never discussed the Holocaust with his parents who were survivors. But his parents saw their entire family disappear in one day. Yet you and John and the other deniers will not accept that they are dead, because eyewitness testimony is sooo unreliable. John you sound like a robot, unrelated to reality with pro forma answers. You know John when your family disappears, it is reliable testimony, no mention of witnessing the gassing, or the burning of the bodies. They just disappeared. That is the way it happened. Where do you think Normal Finkelstein’s parents’s family members went?
STOP saying that it has shown to be proven that the gas chambers never existed, that it was impossible. It is impossible till it is possible. All of that forensic BS has been debunked. You cannot wish away reality because the wall did not turn blue enough. Makes no sense. Finkelstein corroborates everything that I have been saying.
I thought your thesis about the Holocaust as an ideological construct invented by American Jews who didn’t actually suffer at the hands of the Nazis—and did little to stop the murder of European Jews from happening—was quite powerful. But again, the way you presented your ideas made them repulsive to the community you were attempting to reach.
Whenever somebody says to me, “I read the book,” my first comment is, “Did you laugh?” Because it was supposed to heap ridicule. It was a ridicule born of rage.
I lived with my parents’ suffering every day until the very end of their lives, because I took care of them the last seven years. And to see what became of that suffering just filled me with nausea. Both of my parents, as I suspect you know, before they were deported to the concentration camps they were in the Warsaw ghetto. When I was a kid, 13, 14 years old, I started to read books on the Nazi Holocaust, like The Wall by John Hershey and Mila 18. I remember reading these books and looking up at my parents, and I could not make the connection. The dead bodies piled in the streets; the bunkers. My parents were so ordinary! My mother wouldn’t wear any makeup, nothing. No hair coloring. Hand-me-down clothes from our cousin. My father was a factory worker, and he wore the flannel-checked shirt of a worker.
What they went through, the chasm is unbridgeable. My mother was in an assimilated Polish Jewish community. She used to go to concerts every night. She knew Latin very well, classical music very well, and then suddenly overnight, you were reduced to garbage. My parents were both very close to their families, and the whole family just disappeared.
Henry, you had me laughing for 5 minutes over this. All three parts – the sheet, the Elie Wiesel and the tattoos are all hilarious in themselves for me. But the sheet over the head is my most favorite. Thanks.
Me:
Fran’s very next post:
Hoffman explains Fran:
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It is the same photo. But I take from it different elements. One is that an Oberschütze in the Wehrmacht even had the time to worry about assigning Jews to a clean-up detail two days into Barbarossa. Who knows – perhaps being sidetracked into such non-essentials is why Leningrad never fell to Army Group North, of which the Oberschütze was one tiny part. It could be a tiny example of how having Jews on the brain undermined the German war effort – rolling stock taking Jews from Western and Central Europe “east” could have been making the journey to get troops to the overstretched Eastern Front.
The other is the obvious fear on the Jews’ faces. While the Propaganda Company caption is that they were being made to do a clean-up with brooms and shovels, their reaction is more along the lines of people being told they are about to die. And indeed were those two still alive at the end of June 1941, let alone the end of the year?
Depends how you look at it, but revolutionaries did nothing to Dostoyevsky. The established order put him through the mill and he loved it for that. Which makes me think the less of Dostoyevsky.
You write: “You know John when your family disappears, it is reliable testimony, no mention of witnessing the gassing, or the burning of the bodies. They just disappeared. That is the way it happened. Where do you think Normal Finkelstein’s parents’s family members went?…Finkelstein corroborates everything that I have been saying.”
My response: I don’t have Norman Finkelstein’s book in my library. However, I remember that he wrote on page 55 of his book The Holocaust Industry that “…much of the literature on Hitler’s Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud…. ” Finkelstein also wrote on page 68 of this book, “…Given the nonsense churned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is why there are so few skeptics….”
You write: “STOP saying that it has shown to be proven that the gas chambers never existed, that it was impossible. It is impossible till it is possible. All of that forensic BS has been debunked. You cannot wish away reality because the wall did not turn blue enough.”
My response: Actually, the existence of homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkemnau has been scientifically disproven. Please go back and read my two articles. Or, better yet, read Germar Rudolf’s book “The Chemistry of Auschwitz.”
Chemists adhering to the orthodox Holocaust narrative have failed to explain why the walls of the delousing facilities at Auschwitz-Birkenau are permeated with Prussian Blue, while nothing of this sort can be observed in any of the alleged homicidal gas chambers. The only reasonable explanation is that Zyklon B was never used in the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Nicholas Kollerstrom writes: “…for any alleged human gas chamber found in a German World War II labour camp let us merely measure cyanide in the walls: if it’s not there, it didn’t happen.” (Source: Kollerstrom, Nicholas, Breaking the Spell: The Holocaust, Myth and Reality, Uckfeld, Great Britain: Castle Hill Publishers, 2015, p. 70).
Carolyn, I know it’s crazy but I’m in love with a blacksmith called Fran Taubman and can’t wait to feel her strong arms around me.
Oh happy day! Imagine what fun we’ll have….
Henry, with Elie Wiesel as your rival (and Elie never stopped chasing after skirts), you’ll never make it with Fran. And then there’s the sheet.
The sheet is optional….
I don’t have Finkelstein’s book either, but I don’t recall from reviews/reports about it that he ever said that his entire extended familty (relatives) died in the “Holocaust,” as Fran declares: “But his parents saw their entire family disappear in one day.” Do you? Finklestein’s parents were, it turns out, far more devoted Zionists than he let on in his “Holocaust Industry” book, according to his Wikipedia page (which he hasn’t tried to change, that I can see).
So I was dismayed by you, John, combining the great Arthur Butz and the Holo-believer Norman Finkelstein together in the same sentence (in a previous comment), as if they shared essential truths. The two are far, far apart! You often go along with actual believers way too much, as though you’re seeking agreement above all. This often happens to many when the German question becomes subordinate to the Palestinian question; that really mucks things up, causing truth-tellers about WWII to lose their way. [Colin Powell is one of those – very concerned about Palestinians but not at all about Germans.]
Do you have any comment on this?
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Well, I just found the sentence and it was written by HdC, not John Wear.
Comment #1055. John didn’t even agree or reply to it! Fran Taubman and Colin Wright did. My apology to John.
Let it be known that Arthur Butz did not ever lose his job or get beaten up. Finkelstein did lose his job but was not beaten up. These are not the best examples that HdC could have found. I’m still interested in John Wear’s opinion of what HdC wrote, and also about what I wrote (except for the mistaken part).
The Holocaust Industry.
Norman Finkelstein
From the 2002 German Edition.
Preface to German paperback edition of The Holocaust Industry
February 15, 2002
Excerpt:
Original Article
I did say that the punishment for rocking the holocaust boat varied from job loss, loss of rank privileges, beatings, etc. I now include fire bombing.
Further, I promised I could name additional victims of Jewish cowardice. I’m not going to list all the crimes and misdeeds they were subjected to as these are easily verified by a quick on-line search.
One of the most grievous beatings was in France by the “Sons of Jewish Memory”, of Robert Faurisson. He also lost his teaching job, and was fined for making statements about Adolf Hitler that were proven true during the Zuendel trials.
Mearsheimer & Walt: “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”. Wiki has a good entry regarding this work. Both were respected professors in their field. In this work they also described the Jewish fall-out they expected to receive due to their publication. As far as I know they were not beaten up or lost their jobs; they were subjected to personal attacks, name calling, and questions regarding their professional integrity. Wiki goes into some detail on these attacks.
Ernst Zuendel, long before his trials and subsequent vindication, was beaten up in “Toronto the Good”, and his house, on a prominent thoroughfare in Toronto, was firebombed. Needless to say, these crimes were never solved by the Toronto Police which had a very good reputation otherwise.
Tony Martin: “The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews” illustrates the Jewish activities in the world-wide slave trade. Much of the material was gleaned from Jewish publication and USA census data. Nonetheless, Martin was pilloried and called every name possible, and great effort was exerted to get him fired from his tenured teaching job.
Last but not least, Norman Finkelstein and his publications. He called the Holocaust reparations an industry of a colossal swindle. He quoted his mother’s opinion on the matter: “If Hitler supposedly killed all the Jews he could lay his hands on, where do all these survivors come from?”
Wiki has a good description of what he criticised about Jewish publications, calling many of them worthless.
NF was also a heavy critic of Israel and its actions against the Palestinians.
After concerted Jewish lobbying he was denied tenure by his employer, even though the tenure review committee found that he had met the requirements thereof. Students spoke out on his behalf to no avail.
He was put on administrative leave, and NF finally resigned his position at DePaul.
Methinks I made my case.
Here you go, John, and Fran too. Here is one example of why “ordinary schizophrenics” may not be safe to have around.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11267205/Maniac-charged-murder-stabbing-death-hero-EMT-Queens-street-broad-daylight.html If he hadn’t been — a much-loved woman who greatly contributed to society would still be alive … instead of him. Do you or Fran want to pay for his upkeep so he can be kept alive as long as possible, to please your ‘God?’
Has ‘God” ever come to you and told you he wants everyone to be kept alive? Why not?
You write: “I’m still interested in John Wear’s opinion of what HdC wrote, and also about what I wrote (except for the mistaken part).”
My response: Dr. Arthur Butz and Dr. Norman Finkelstein are two totally different people.
Dr. Butz is one of the greatest Holocaust revisionists of all time. His book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century” was a pioneering effort that greatly helped the cause of Holocaust revisionism and laid the groundwork for future revisionists such as Carlo Mattogno, Germar Rudolf, Dr. Robert Faurission, Jürgen Graf and many others.
I like Dr. Norman Finkelstein’s work in exposing Israel’s crimes and corruption. However, I do not regard him as being a Holocaust revisionist. I mentioned his name only because Fran Taubman mentioned him in an earlier comment.
Norman Finkelstein’s opinion of Arthur Butz…
From The Holocaust Industry.
A crank and a non-entity according to Finklestein!
You write: “Here you go, John, and Fran too. Here is one example of why “ordinary schizophrenics” may not be safe to have around.”
My response: There are definitely some schizophrenics who will commit violent crimes such as the man mentioned in your link. This is not in dispute.
However, I consider it a crime to kill somebody merely because they have such potential. I also think it was highly inappropriate for National Socialist Germany to lie about the cause of death of people they killed in their euthanasia program. If German docotors believed that everything they were doing was legal and proper, why did they lie about the cause of death to the family members of the people they euthanized?
Doctors lie all the time about a patient’s prognosis to protect the sensibilities of the family.
A doctor assessed the family’s capability to accept the truth; in many cases he decides to let the family down gently when it comes to unpalatable truths.
My information comes from my mother and dear departed wife, who were both nurses. My new wife retired from a senior administrative position in an area hospital.
Further, one of the better kept secrets of hospitals is the number of euthanasia cases. These are arranged through withholding of medication, over dosage of medication, withholding of water, etc. To say nothing about abortion…
Everything is relative, and this constant bleating “Germany baaad, allies and commies good”, only highlights the hypocrisy of the westerners voluntarily under the thumb of Judea.
NF’s typical reaction of one with a degree in which truth is relative and subject to arm waving and shrill accusations, on a man with a solid STEM degree.
Surprisingly this is tolerated by a public whose very standard of living depends almost completely on people with competency in their chosen STEM field.
‘Depends how you look at it, but revolutionaries did nothing to Dostoyevsky. The established order put him through the mill and he loved it for that. Which makes me think the less of Dostoyevsky.’
They don’t actually disprove anything you say, but I’ll make two points.
1. First, Dostoyevski would seem to have been a conservative even before his arrest. Wikipedia quotes him as saying early in his life, “As far as I am concerned, nothing was ever more ridiculous than the idea of a republican government in Russia.”
2. The years when he produced his most famous works, including The Devils,were also those, on the one hand, of cautious reforms on the part of the monarchy, and on the other hand, of rapidly escalating radicalism on the part of the Left — radicalism which would in fact culminate in the assassination of the reforming Tsar the year after Dostoyevsky’s own death.
So why would Dostoyevsky have held anti-establishment views? He had always supported at least elements of that establishment, and at the time he was writing, the threat came not from that establishment, but from those who would have destroyed it.
You say, “This is not in dispute.” Yet not a word about what these societies are doing to keep people safe from violent schizophrenics (usually because they stop taking their medication.) This is a common occurrence unless someone is watching over them 24 hours a day. Yet you said all these schizo’s are “commonly” walking around in our societies, getting along just fine. I guess not.
I don’t know that they did, John. This is the first time you’ve said that. Although I do vaguely recall reading, by opponents of the regime of course, that families were mailed notices of their relative’s death from some “cause” or another. BUT, what else would they say?? We put your family member to sleep permanently? Would that make the family feel better? And I’ll bet most families would rather not know that. Also the government would be open to all kinds of lawsuits at a time of existential war.
You consider it a crime, without considering the situation as a whole, and what modifying circumstances were involved. That’s very didactic of you. And easy for you because it costs you nothing. That was not the case for Germany at that time.
But apart from all this, which is extraneous — the original issue is: Were schizophrenics dangerous to innocents around them? And the answer is yes.
For Carolyn Yeager and HDC,
HDC writes: “Everything is relative, and this constant bleating “Germany baaad, allies and commies good”, only highlights the hypocrisy of the westerners voluntarily under the thumb of Judea.”
My response: This whole discussion originated when Carolyn challenged us Holocaust revisionists to reveal any crimes committed by National Socialist Germany. I answered her challenge by stating that German doctors murdered some inmates in their camps with lethal medical experiments, and by stating that Germany conducted an euthanasia program that killed approximately 75,000 Germans.
Carolyn was implying that National Socialist Germany was good, while the Allies were bad. This is the opposite of what you normally hear in the mainstram media and educational establishment.
Carolyn writes that she did not know that National Socialist Germany lied about the causes of death in their euthanasia program. However, the docotors who participated in this program routinely lied about the causes of death of the victims.
Although Hitler had authorized the euthanasia program in a document backdated to September 1, 1939, there was no official law allowing euthanasia because Hitler thought such a law would feed opposition to the program. The entire project was kept secret to the greatest extent possible. In this regard, doctors falsified every death certificate to cover-up the killing program. The key principle in choosing the false cause of death was medical credibility: assigning a disease consistent with a patient’s medical history that he or she could have contracted. Designated causes of death could include almost anything—infectious diseases, pneumonia, stroke, heart attack, or diseases of other major organs. This falsification of medical records indicates that the German euthanasia program was an illegal operation that had to be kept secret from the general public to maintain its existence. (Source: Lifton, Robert Jay, The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide, New York: Basic Books, Inc., 1986, pp. 64, 74).
‘…Carolyn was implying that National Socialist Germany was good, while the Allies were bad. This is the opposite of what you normally hear in the mainstram media and educational establishment…’
Carolyn — unlike say, you — manages to invert the usual dogma concerning Hitler and Nazism. Repeatedly, she puts me in mind of this passage I gleaned from somewhere:
‘Hitler and the Nazis have become the standard by which all other evil is measured. Much of our knowledge of these monsters derives from the work of Raul Hilberg.’
Thats what passes for the received truth these days. Yet it’s nonsense, of course. If the Nazis were ‘monsters,’ why were they tolerated and even welcomed by the mass of ordinary Germans for twelve years? Why, in the service of those ‘monsters’ did the German people make such a remarkable display of collective zeal, courage, and self-sacrifice — to wit, Germany’s war effort in the Second World War?
Were the German people ‘monsters’? No, morally, they’re no worse than anyone else, and better than some. Were the Nazis aliens from outer space, able to exercise some sort of occult mass hypnosis on seventy million people simultaneously? To read some of the epithets, you would think so, but again — that’s obvious nonsense.
Every individual is actuated by a mass of motives, good and bad. How much more so for an entire people? Of course the Nazis — and the German people who followed them and were them — were neither good nor bad, but like the rest of us, somewhere in between.
…precisely where is an interesting subject, and one open to much fruitful discussion, but please — drop the ‘Nazis evil’ schtick. That’s not how people are — and that includes the Nazis.
Carolyn simply reverses this. Everything the Nazis did was fine, and wise, and good, and justified.
It would be more interesting to discuss things with Carolyn if she would drop it. The Nazis weren’t all good — any more than they were all bad.
I appreciate that quote, Henry. It surprised me also when I read N.F.’s Wikipedia page today to learn what it said about his parents. They had both been in the Warsaw Ghetto, then his mother in Majdanek and father in Auschwitz. Neither was ‘gassed’ or killed, obviously.
Not sure if that last was from Gromyko or his parents. What strikes me is that they loved the Soviet Union, but emigrated to the United States. Sounds like Norman inherited that same contradictoriness, or difficult nature. He had feuds with a lot of well-known holocaust believers but was still one himself. He said, denying the holocaust was “the new anti-Semitism”! He dismisses Arthur Butz as a “non-entity” — after his book came out? He sure doesn’t belong being listed with Butz and the other Revisionists, and those promoting truth and facts should know that. So many Jews criticize aspects of “holocaust” lore only because they think it harms Jews and Israel more than it helps. That seems to describe Finkelstein.
Here’s your problem right here. Robert Jay Lifton. You quote from all these books as though they are all equally valid. I came upon Lifton several years ago in my research for podcasts and articles. He is a PSYCHO-HISTORIAN. There are several of these pseudo-historians who specialize in “analyzing” Hitler and other National Socialists with their psycho-babble. They’re taken very seriously by the holocauster crowd and their crap-books are promoted and praised. A lot of these books & authors are used by you for whatever you can get out of them to support a “balanced” view of A.H. and the Third Reich.
Yes, a balanced view. That’s what you’re aiming for. You don’t want to be called a “fanatic” like Carolyn Yeager, who says what she thinks is true no matter what. You are concerned with your reputation as a “scholar” (good luck with that) and so have to have some pro and some con to be taken seriously, you think. That’s the reason for your Chapt. 9 and 11 (I think it is) in Germany’s War. And you look for every tiny little thing you can find — it gets ridiculous.
You don’t see Arthur Butz or Germar Rudolf, or someone like Wilhelm Stäglich playing that game, do you? I don’t.
About Robert Jay Lifton, the OSS and CIA made use of people like him during WWII. (See my article https://carolynyeager.net/fake-legends-adolf-hitler%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cjewish-grandfather%E2%80%9D for plenty of into on that re the Langer brothers.) Not surprising his Wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Lifton%5D says “From 1951 to 1953 Lifton served as an Air Force psychiatrist in Japan and Korea.” He’s a well-paid psychiatrist-propagandist pretending to be a historian. And this is who you proudly offer as your informational source! Checking out sources is really basic, but you fall short on that score.
‘…My response: I don’t have Norman Finkelstein’s book in my library. However, I remember that he wrote on page 55 of his book The Holocaust Industry that “…much of the literature on Hitler’s Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud…. ” Finkelstein also wrote on page 68 of this book, “…Given the nonsense churned out daily by the Holocaust industry, the wonder is why there are so few skeptics….”…’
I think you have to give up on the idea that Finkelstein thinks the Holocaust didn’t happen.
That dog won’t hunt — promise. If you doubt it, you can email him and ask. I once did — in connection with something else. He answered.
Thanks Carolyn. About 20 years ago I bought that book to read on a long coach journey but when I got to the part on Butz et al, I closed the book and never picked it up again. However, I have seen enough sections online to know it quite well, That’s how I knew what was mentioned in the preface to his 2002 German edition re ‘The millions of Holocaust survivors’ being trapped behind the Iron Curtain. See above post. #1075.
IIRC, a young Finkelstein accompanied his mother to a (Holocaust?) court case and at some stage he violently assaulted either a witness or the accused. Can’t really recall the facts but I remember him saying he felt ashamed for what he’d done.
Yeah that quote is Gromyko’s. Stalin gave the Zionists far more support in the founding of Israel than the US and I guess he got the Atom bomb out of it! But it was Gromyko and his team who drafted the papers that facilitated Israel’s recognition within the UN.
The long serving Gromyko became an absolute bore on the diplomatic circuit: notorious at functions for his habit of extending his hand for people to shake. Once it was clasped he would announcing grandly “This is the hand that created Israel”
You write: “Checking out sources is really basic, but you fall short on that score.”
My response: So, who is a good source to use to study the German euthanasia program? Are there any good books you would recommend on this subject?
The National Socialist program was good, it was really all good, as things go in this world, and it was absolutely much, much better than what came before them, and than what came after (which was quite bad in both cases).
So I am not saying what you claim I am, in your simple-minded balancing act (a la what I wrote to John in #1088) that sounds like a 7th grade civics teacher. Yeah, I had a painfully pedestrian, bored and boring 7th grade civics teacher like that — you remind me of him.
I wouldn’t be more interesting, what you mean is it would be easier for you and you wouldn’t feel so abused.
If there aren’t any, maybe that tells you something. Maybe it’s not the big subject you and these charlatans want to make it out to be. Maybe its a minor event in a very big, bad war. I think that’s what HdC is trying to tell you.
The chemistry of Auschwitz uses Prussian blue as the determining factor in disproving the gas chambers. Science can not substitute for real life events. It is merely a marker, not the entire story. There exist such a preponderance of evidence, for the Jews going to the crematorium and being murdered. That Prussian blue cannot explain what happened. Not one denier has ever found a missing Jew from Auschwitz.
Here is what I found to rebut the lack of Prussian blue in the gas chamber.
You cannot answer as to why 437,000 Jews were transported to Auschwitz in the summer months of 1944, when the Germans were falling apart at the fronts. Why? I am reading a book I just downloaded called
Vági, Zoltán; Csősz, László; Kádár, Gábor. The Holocaust in Hungary (Documenting Life and Destruction: What is fascinating about this book, is the overwhelming documentation of the transportation and murder of the Hungarian Jews by Hungarians in real time. 1944 was when Germany invaded Hungary, for the entire 4 years of the war the Hungarian Jews were relatively safe. Now a sudden momentum to transport them came from Eichmann, with such ferocity and intensity to get this done immediately was startling to everyone. It was also towards the end of the war. The question is why transport “all of the Jews”. Why not just take the ones fit for labor. Eichmann insisted on all the Jews, women and children, and the sick and elderly. Why? It would have been very expensive to care for these people supplies were short, why not leave them in Hungary. Eichmann made special arrangements at Auschwitz to include a special ramp, and putting two of the crematoriums on line that had not been working. The documentation is minute. Eichmann’s desires clear.
In addition, the world pretty much new what was happening in the camps, letters from the pope, the King of Sweden, many diplomats being the Hungarians not to deport the Jews. It took years to deport and transfer all of the Jews in Poland and ‘France to camps. Yet the Hungary was rid of it’s Jews in 3 months! It was mind boggling.
Excerpts from the book: And Henry get out your calculator to understand the math you apparently are confused over. If 437,000 Jews were transported to Auschwitz, and between 100 to 130,00o Jews that survived the camps. That would mean that 300,000 Jews were murdered in Auschwitz in 4 months. Can you understand that Henry. The Jews pouring into Switzerland were not from Auschwitz.
Liberation Out of the 760,000 to 780,000 Hungarian citizens labeled as Jewish in 1944, only about 250,000 survived the Holocaust. The largest survivor group included those people liberated in Budapest: close to seventy thousand in the large ghetto and around fifty thousand in the international ghetto and in hiding. Jewish survivors of the concentration camps and former labor servicemen numbered altogether about 100,000 to 130,000 people.
From the Auschwitz photo album of the Hungarian Jews, there was the arrival at the train station, the selection process, lines forming. Prisoners going to the camp to register, and another line going to the crematorium. My question to you is can you see the difference between those prisoners registered in the camp compared to those walking towards the crematorium? Why John would Eichmann insist on transporting these sick and weak Jews certainly not the Jewish elite to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944? Why not leave them in Hungary?????? Prussian blue? You are arguing about Prussian blue, when all the people never left the crematorium that was placed near where they arrived. This are the people that diapered and you are arguing about chemistry and Prussian blue as the reason that it was impossible that they were not gasses. Are you alive, can you think?
Jews going to the camp for labor.
https://flic.kr/p/2nQ4LZN CAMP
https://flic.kr/p/2nQ3ovt CAMP UNIFORMS
https://flic.kr/p/2nPZMEB CAMP
Jews walking to the crematorium for a shower.
https://flic.kr/p/2n3bc8m GAS CHAMBER
https://flic.kr/p/2n2LvYh GAS CHAMBER
https://flic.kr/p/2nPZPFq DEATH
https://flic.kr/p/2nQ5BjQ DEATH
They’d like to draw your sting, Carolyn. Then we can all sit down without upset and have a nice chat and a cup of tea. lol.
Excerpts from the book. The Holocaust in Hungry: Evolution of a Genocide
https://flic.kr/p/2nQ5d7H
‘It is the same photo. But I take from it different elements. One is that an Oberschütze in the Wehrmacht even had the time to worry about assigning Jews to a clean-up detail two days into Barbarossa. Who knows – perhaps being sidetracked into such non-essentials is why Leningrad never fell to Army Group North, of which the Oberschütze was one tiny part. It could be a tiny example of how having Jews on the brain undermined the German war effort – rolling stock taking Jews from Western and Central Europe “east” could have been making the journey to get troops to the overstretched Eastern Front.
The other is the obvious fear on the Jews’ faces. While the Propaganda Company caption is that they were being made to do a clean-up with brooms and shovels, their reaction is more along the lines of people being told they are about to die. And indeed were those two still alive at the end of June 1941, let alone the end of the year?’
I don’t see any particular fear — certainly nothing beyond what would be reasonable if one were confronted with a member of an invading army. If a uniformed Russian noncom somehow turns up at your door in the morning, would you feel safe and secure?
More substantially, though, while from a utilitarian point of view the German effort to exterminate the Jews was a waste of effort, why were the Germans fighting the war in the first place?
They were fighting against a monolithic and malevolent Jewry. If that wasn’t real, why have the war at all?
To expect the Nazis to realize the futility of their efforts to exterminate the Jews is to posit a Nazism that wasn’t there to begin with. Theoretically, the Germans could have fought the war and ignored the Jews — but that would require a different Germany, with a different ideology. It’s like arguing we could have invaded Iraq and installed a Shi’a theocracy. Sure, but…
Playing games? Nothing like a Jew hater’s lust for finding out the truth about the Holocaust, no matter how ridiculous the “facts” they find. You can really feel the lust behind the claims, the arousal, the endorphins rising up, making you all high. The problem with all of you deniers is you are all carbon copies of each other. What is missing is your lack of perception of what the real world, the zane sees. A sickening disturbing group of Jew haters who’s bias is so outrageous you can’t get out of your own Jew hatreds way. Love those National Socialist, kill a couple of physical disabled children, no big deal. All good. But those fucking criminal Jews. Look at what Gemar Rudolf has to say about the the Jews, and he wonders why the world just does not see the chemistry behind the Holocaust. No Prussian blue, No Holocaust. Do you think anyone takes him and his Prussian blue seriously. John says he is writing yet another volume proofing the Holocaust did not happen. A multi volume book. About what??? What has not been said. Desperados.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/05/germar-rudolfs-true-feelings-about-jews.html
Can be read on page 39 of this report, which quotes Germar thus:
If the Holocaust is seen as a unique collection of lies, then the sole pillar supporting international Judaism’s legitimacy will collapse. The idol of substitute religion will disintegrate. The possibility of extorting more billions from Germany on account of its alleged obligation will likewise collapse. The possibility of obligating America to eternally rescue the Jews from new Holocausts through endless donations of money will likewise collapse. World sympathy for the greatest liars and swindlers in the history of mankind will likewise collapse. Europe’s second attempt to establish a lasting enclave in Palestine against the will of the Arabs, similar to the crusades, will likewise collapse. And finally, the future Arabia, which will be unified and self ruling without Jewish, American or European occupiers and colonial powers, will develop irresistibly. This explains why the Jews and Jewish dominated media and politicians everywhere defend these (Holocaust) lies and repress the prophets of truth by all means possible.
If Dostoyevsky was always a conservative it arguably makes the Tsarism of his time worse. Because it shows even a conservative could be sent to Siberia.
I did a certain amount of Russian history at university, and I remember the lecturer basically drawing a straight line between the “Third Department” under Nicholas I, the Okhrana of the later Tsarist period and the various iterations of the Soviet security police. The last point is controversial but part of a trend in Western historiography that “Russia has always been authoritarian”.
The Germans wanted Lebensraum in the east. That was a key part of Barbarossa.
At least for me, the uniformed Russian NCO showing up at the door is not an ideal example of an alarming situation, as I happen to be able to speak Russian. Most people in NATOstan of course do not. (I even watched Putin’s speech on the Internet live yesterday.) Hell, I might even welcome the guy with bread and salt in the traditional Orthodox manner. 🙂
The Jews look at least as alarmed as Cretans rounded up by German paratroopers in May or June 1941 and photographed by the Germans. They were then killed as partisans. The photos were not published by the Germans, unlike this one, because it was seen as not a particularly good look. The photos ended up in a drawer and were published postwar.
You write: “If there aren’t any, maybe that tells you something. Maybe it’s not the big subject you and these charlatans want to make it out to be. Maybe its a minor event in a very big, bad war. I think that’s what HdC is trying to tell you.”
My response: The killing of approximately 75,000 mentally-ill Germans is an important event. I have never been able to find any revisionist books on this subject. This is why I use sources from establishment historians and doctors.
Also, if the German euthanasia program was a legitimate enterprise that would have been supported by the German people, Hitler would not have attempted to keep in secret from the German public. Hitler stopped his euthanasia program in August 1941 because too many Germans had found out about it.
You write: “In terms of the difference between amounts measured in the delousing chambers and homicidal gas chambers, critics explain that the exact opposite of what deniers claim is true. Insects have a far higher resistance to cyanide than humans, with concentration levels up to 16,000ppm (parts per million) and an exposure time of more than 20 hours (sometimes as long as 72 hours) being necessary for them to succumb.”
My response: This argument has been used by Dr. George Wellers to attempt to explain why the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau do not show any Prussian Blue residue. For why this is not a valid argument, I recommend you read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6633. Or, better yet, I recommend you read the book “Auschwitz Forensically Examined” by Cyrus Cox.
You write: “Also, while the delousing chambers were left intact, the ruins of the crematoria at Birkenau had been exposed to the elements for over forty years by the time Leuchter collected his samples. This would have severely affected his results, because unlike Prussian blue and other iron based cyanides, cyanide salts are highly soluble in water.”
My response: It is not true that Leuchter’s results would have been severely affected. I recommend you read Germar Rudolf’s book “The Chemistry of Auschwitz” for a detailed analysis. Rudolf conludes on page 214 of this book that no significant reduction in Prussian Blue can be anticipated, even after 70 years or more.
The alleged homicidal gas chamber at the Auschwitz main camp was left in tack. Why do we not see blue staining in this alleged homicidal gas chamber? Also, why do we today still see massive amounts of blue staining on the outside walls of the delousing chambers at Birkenau, even after more than 75 years of exposure to the elements?
You write: “You cannot answer as to why 437,000 Jews were transported to Auschwitz in the summer months of 1944, when the Germans were falling apart at the fronts. Why?”
My response: How do we know that 437,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau in the summer of 1944? It would have been extremely difficult for the Germans to round up so many Jews and transport them to Auschitz-Birkenau so quickly.
I suggest you read the book below. $30 online e-book.
Every transport is described. That is how I know. If you read the reports you would then know. The transportation and murder of 500,000 Hungarian Jews in the summer of 1944 is breath taking. If you want the truth read about it. Eichmann was on the spot where it all went down. Gemar Rudolf illegally grabbed sone wall particles. He has never been legally able to extract enough data for anyone to believe him. His documentation has solidly been refuted. Go find 5 of the missing babies from the transport train then we can talk seriously.
Excerpts from the book. The Holocaust in Hungry: Evolution of a Genocide
https://flic.kr/p/2nQ5d7H
This is amazing documentation.
After arriving in Budapest, fifty-six days (March 20–May 15) were sufficient for all such preparations for Sondereinsatzkommando Eichmann (SEK). Never before had this many people been deported this quickly. Years had not sufficed to fully complete the anti-Jewish “cleansing campaign” in France, the Netherlands, or Poland. In Hungary it took only another fifty-six days (from May 15 to July 9) to deport all the Jews from the country, except for the capital. For the first time, Adolf Eichmann directed an Aktion in the field. He hoped to beat the unofficial “record” set by SS-Major Hermann Höfle, who had deported Warsaw’s Jews to Treblinka in fifty-three days in 1942.1 Despite the approaching front lines and with just a handful of men assisting him, Eichmann sent off some 150 trains with 437,402 Jews on board in less than two months. Apart from a fraction of this number, about fifteen thousand individuals, all of them arrived at Auschwitz.
Great stuff from Germar!! I’m so proud of him, so thank you for posting this. Yes, who could disagree with it!! You cannot explain to anyone with an intelligent and fair mind how any of it is “hate”, and you don’t even try. You just call it that and then write a bunch of attack prose that even you can’t decipher. What is a “zane’ in this sentence: “What is missing is your lack of perception of what the real world, the zane sees.” ??
And to Colin Wright: You don’t see G. R. trying to be “balanced” about who is responsible for all the problems we constantly face, do you? You yourself had previously decided the Jews (Jewish power) was the Problem and had to be dealt with, but as soon as it included Holocaust Belief, you dropped that like a hot potato.
You’re trying, John, but you’re not getting there. Who says it was 75,000? Who calls them “mentally-ill” rather than “unfit to live in the world without constant care”? Answer these questions instead of asking a question back in order to avoid it.
Well, gosh. Then I guess all the revisionists whom you worship and base all your writing on, don’t think it’s important like you do. Are they covering up? Are they being dishonest? Do you want to join with Fran on that?
Are you forced to turn to “establishment historians and doctors”? No. But YOU think it’s so important, and YOU want to write about it, even without reliable or believable information available, that you will turn to the enemies of revisionism and accept whatever they offer.
Who said Hitler attempted to keep this secret? It was not secret if they notified the families! It was not secret if it was in official written form, approved by the Fuehrer, which it was. That it was not publicized or shouted from the rooftops is what you call “secret.” All this shows that your zeal to find bad things to say about Hitler, National Socialism and the Third Reich as a whole, for balance, is a bit over the top. I’ve already given what I think your motivations are.
You write: “You’re trying, John, but you’re not getting there. Who says it was 75,000? Who calls them “mentally-ill” rather than “unfit to live in the world without constant care”? Answer these questions instead of asking a question back in order to avoid it.”
My response: So how many Germans were killed in the German euthanasia program? I don’t think anyone knows for sure. I am not avoiding the question. The documentation is not sufficient for anyone to make a definitive determination.
I think your question “Who calls them “mentally-ill” rather than “unfit to live in the world without constant care”? is ridiculous. It is not moral to kill people who are mentally ill and possibly prone to violence. And I don’t think medical doctors are supposed to kill people. Their Hippocratic oath says otherwise.
You write: “Then I guess all the revisionists whom you worship and base all your writing on, don’t think it’s important like you do. Are they covering up?”
My response: I don’t worship any revisionists, and I don’t base all of my research on their writings. I read many standard mainstream historians as well. Some revisionists are afraid to expose crimes committed by Germany. For example, Paul Angel initially was afraid to publish my article on the evidence of the German euthanasia program versus the so-called Holocaust. Fortunately, the late John Tiffany liked my article, and The Barnes Review published it. You can read this article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/3/4885 if you like.
You write: “Who said Hitler attempted to keep this secret? It was not secret if they notified the families!”
My response: Hitler did attempt to keep the euthansia program secret. No public announcements were ever made about it to the German public by the National Socialist government. Families were notified when their loved ones died. The cause of death was made up; the families were not notified that their loved ones had been murdered.
You write: “All this shows that your zeal to find bad things to say about Hitler, National Socialism and the Third Reich as a whole, for balance, is a bit over the top. I’ve already given what I think your motivations are.”
My response: As I previously stated, this discussion began when you challenged Holocaust revisionists to find one crime that National Socialist Germany committed. I gave you the illegal medical experiments by Dr. Rascher and other medical doctors, as well as the German euthanasia program, as examples.
There are actually more crimes I could list, but you do not want to hear them. You are not willing to accept that National Socialist Germany committed crimes as did other nations during World War II.
NF does quote his mother’s statement: “If Hitler supposedly killed all the Jews he could lay his hands on, where did all these survivors come from?”
It is certainly a way of questioning the holocaust, perhaps in a backhanded way, but questioning nonetheless.
Agreed that NF in his narrative does not directly question the holocaust; but he does sling a boatload of dirt on the machinations of the Jewish blackmail -ahem- reparations money industry.
In New York City several Jewish administrators of these funds were imprisoned for theft! Imagine that, Jews stealing from Jews.
Perhaps I should have worded the third paragraph in my post 1055 a little better. Still, the main thrust of that missive is correct: Anyone who dares to speak out on the Jewish blackmail, no matter how little or warranted, gets ground down in the Jewish Denial Machinery.
Otherwise, why was NF denied tenure at DePaul? Why did he finally resign his position?
I’m going to stay out of the fray about eugenics and not reveal my “take” on the subject at all.
However, I would like to point out that eugenics programs (euthanasia, selective breeding, etc.) were first proposed in the USA and later exported to the European continent, and by inference Germany.
I have no doubt that eugenics is practiced in the USA to this day. From purposefully “overmedicating” to withdrawal of nutrition (food and water) to other means, it is done while most people “look the other way”.
Jews, (especially hasidic types) practice eugenics to the extreme, many times with deleterious effects due to “inbreeding”. This in itself explains the many unique diseases that are common, especially in hasidic jewish communities.
The negative specter of eugenics has other ramifications that affect honest scientific research and platitudes about race, one common statement being: “There is only one race, the human race”, which has been proven to be demonstrably false. Even educated medical types (who should know better) parrot this false mantra. Yes, there are profound differences between the races, if one has the “guts” to look.
Regards,
‘If Dostoyevsky was always a conservative it arguably makes the Tsarism of his time worse. Because it shows even a conservative could be sent to Siberia.
I did a certain amount of Russian history at university, and I remember the lecturer basically drawing a straight line between the “Third Department” under Nicholas I, the Okhrana of the later Tsarist period and the various iterations of the Soviet security police. The last point is controversial but part of a trend in Western historiography that “Russia has always been authoritarian”.’
I think you’re falsely equating the Tsarism of Nicholas I’s regimes with that of Alexander II.
The former was the regime that arrested and condemned Dostoyevsky — and it was ferociously reactionary. The latter was the regime at the time he was writing his masterpieces, and it was cautiously progressive. Should he have opposed the latter because of the sins of the former? It would be like objecting to the reign of Louis Philippe on account of the misdeeds of Charles X — or hating Obama because of what George Bush Junior did.
You see Dostoyevski as having been brutally mistreated by Nicholas I, and think he should have opposed Alexander II on that account. But by the time Dostoyevski was writing the books we remember, it wasn’t Tsarism that was the threat, but revolutionary Leftism.
‘The Germans wanted Lebensraum in the east…’
You say that as if it’s a matter of it being either that or of having it out with the Judeo-Communist beast once and for all.
Both could be true — and I’ll throw in two more. Russia’s aggressive intentions in Europe were becoming increasingly obvious. For Hitler, the decisive moment appears to have been Molotov’s absurd demands in November of 1940 when the Russian visited Berlin: ‘we’ll wait and see what he says when he comes for his visit. … Right. That settles that.’
Throw in that the Germans were largely mobilized. Hitler couldn’t just sit there with a hundred-plus division army. Absent war, the boys were going to want to go home — and what about those Volkswagens you promised us?
Now really was the time — but the point isn’t that these motives weren’t mutually exclusive. All four could have been operating at once. Hitler was convinced that Germany needed ‘lebensraum’ to secure his place on the sun, he perceived a monolithic Judeo-Communist menace with its headquarters in the East, Stalin was proving to be a menace, and he was geared up for war.
So he did it — for all four reasons, not for any one of them. Pick any one, and consider what would have happened if that had been the only element in the equation. It’s not clear Hitler ever would have attacked.
Only the mentally deficient are able to compose tripe like that.
Recall I keep reiterating scientific principles and consistent testimony?
Here is a hooter for you:
On the one hand you stated that the fat from the cremating bodies was sufficient to keep the cremation process going without additional fuel.
In your latest blurb you write “…for human fat melting in large quantities from the bodies hindered the burning process…”
Make up your great big Jewish mind already, will you?
Of course there is a much simpler solution: You neither read nor believe the tripe you post; you simply post in order to clog up intelligent discussion.
I could, of course, ignore your posts but, they do provide considerable levity at times. Keep up the good work!
Getting back to my earlier posts which are missing images because I ran out of free space on FLCR. I just paid for a year and can now post images. Most of comment #1096 and #1098 come from a book that I just purchased on line which is a day by day accounting of the Hungarian Jewish transport to Auschwitz. You keep saying how do we know that 437,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz. Look at this book which gives a daily accounting by Hungarian and German officials having nothing to do with post Holocaust fabrication that you always claim when it comes to proof.
My question to you is: Why were all the Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944? If they needed labour why not take the physically fit, why take old and deteriorated? In 1944 the German fronts were becoming vulnerable, supplies were low, there was not enough to take care of the Germans. Why transport Jews that could not help with labor, that needed a lot of support?
This is a very important question for H Deniers to answer, along with what happened to the sick, the young the vulnerable that disappeared? You cannot just Prussian blue your way thru denial. The genocide of the Hungarian Jews in 1944 is one of the most well documented event of the war. The Jews had survived for 4 years in Hungary. It looked like the allies were going to win, it seemed as though the Hungarian Jews would be saved. Then the Germans invaded and took over Hungary, and a blitzkrieg hit the Jewish community. You cannot ignore this. The Auschwitz Album by SS photographers Ernst Hofmann an Bernhard Walter, which I have published many times before, clearly shows that Jews were not sent to Auschwitz work. Look at the below photographs of the Jews being registered in the camp with uniforms, looking very healthy. And then look at the Jews marching towards the crematorium who look very sick, with babies. Jews that clearly cannot fend for themselves.
Why were these Jews transported to Auschwitz if not to be murdered? It makes no sense. Eichmann made it clear he wanted all Jews to be transported to Auschwitz to be murdered and cremated. Auschwitz was the only place that had the body disposal equipment capable of handling so many people in such a short amount of time.
AFTER THE SELECTION PROCESS ON THE RAMP AT AUSCHWITZ .THERE WERE TWO LINES FORMED. THE BELOW PHTOS OF JEWS REGISTERED IN THE CAMP. BELOW THAT ARE THE JEWS WALKING TOWARDS THE CREMATORIUM. JOHN CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE?
JEWS REGISTERING IN THE CAMPS
JEWS WALKING TOWARDS THE CREMATORIUM
Do you know, john, that you haven’t added anything new to what you said before, and the time before that, too? That’s three times you just repeat the same thing. How can that work? It doesn’t. Let me show you.
Then why did you say 75,000, which is a specific number if, at the same time, you say “the documentation is not sufficient to say?”
The same with “I think your question ‘Who calls them “mentally-ill” rather than “unfit to live in the world without constant care” is ridiculous.’ Why is it ridiculous? You don’t explain, you just say it. That’s not a reply. It is ridiculous to classify them as “mentally ill.” Way too general. Do you know anything about why these people were chosen for euthanasia? No you don’t. And whether you “think” medical doctors are not following their Hippocratic Oath is irrelevant. Your moral or religious beliefs are of no importance, except to you, in determining whether some act is classified as a major crime.
But you don’t use the mainstream material unless you can’t find any revisionist writing on the subject, as you admitted in comment 1102:” I have never been able to find any revisionist books on this subject. This is why I use sources from establishment historians and doctors.” Usually, your entire article is founded on published revisionist’s writings.
I’ve worked with both men quite a bit. Paul Angel is great to work with, Tiffany not. Tiffany was only a proof-reader given the title of asst. editor in lieu of better pay; Angel was production head and later ran (runs?) the whole operation. Tiffany was not very smart; he liked all the weird conspiracy stuff. He was forever ‘correcting’ something in my copy-text that didn’t need correcting; it irritated me very much bc then I had to request that it be changed back. Paul always did so. But, in general, Tiffany was on our side and was all for what we were doing. Why say Angel was “afraid” to run your article? He was never “afraid” of anything I wrote. Nothing. I don’t think it was fear. He must not have agreed with your thesis, but, you know, magazines have to come out on time and they need content.
Public announcements?? You have to be kidding.
This is long past, John. We’ve both brought up many issues around it and these are what we’re arguing about now. I get the feeling you’re sorry you ever answered my challenge and would like to get out of it. Just say so and I’ll drop it. But as long as you keeping defending the “world-class crime” narrative, I’ll keep answering it.
GOOD! You should have stopped there.
You write: “You keep saying how do we know that 437,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz. Look at this book which gives a daily accounting by Hungarian and German officials having nothing to do with post Holocaust fabrication that you always claim when it comes to proof.”
My response: I went to the Southern Methodist University library today and checked out a copy of this book. I have skimmed through this book and do not see “a daily accounting by Hungarian and German officials having nothing to do with post Holocaust fabrication that you always claim when it comes to proof.”
Maybe I missed something. Please give me the pages in this book that you are referring to.
You write: “My question to you is: Why were all the Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz in the summer of 1944? If they needed labour why not take the physically fit, why take old and deteriorated?”
My response: The more relevant question is: Why did so many young children survive Auschwitz-Birkenau? It was not because of inefficiency on the part of Germans. It was because Germany did not have a program of genocide against European Jewry.
The Holocaust story claims that virtually all Jews who were too sick to work were immediately killed. The documentary evidence, however, indicates that a high percentage of the inmates at Birkenau were disabled. Oswald Pohl, in a secret report to Heinrich Himmler dated April 5, 1944, stated that there were 67,000 inmates in the entire Auschwitz-Birkenau camp complex, of which 18,000 were unable to work. In Birkenau there were a total of 36,000 inmates, of whom “approximately 15,000 are unable to work.” Such high percentages of disabled inmates at Auschwitz-Birkenau are not consistent with a program of mass extermination.
Numerous witnesses testified under oath at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial that there was not a program of mass extermination of Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau. I can give you their names again if you want them.
You ask: “Why transport Jews that could not help with labor, that needed a lot of support?
My response: I think a primary reason is that the Germans did not want to break up the families. The Germans believed in the sanctity of families.
You write: “Eichmann made it clear he wanted all Jews to be transported to Auschwitz to be murdered and cremated.”
My question: What is the source for this statement? I know at his trial in Jerusalem Eichmann had to pretend that the so-called Holocaust happened, but I don’t remember that he said he wanted the Jews “to be murdered and cremated.”
sane not zane. Sorry for the typo. Holocaust denial is impossible to understand because the people propagating it are equally impossible to understand. You and Gemar Rudolph are prime examples of people traveling in circles about who is a criminal and who is not. Who can act like a criminal and who is cannot. It is really something to see you go in circles. It is okay to kill the handicap because it is for the greater good. Hitler could do it because he was really helping Germany. Sorry Caroline. What Hitler did by gassing the disabled was criminal. The same criminality that you accuse the Jews of. Criminals are criminals no matter what, except for maybe Robin Hood.
On the one hand the Jews are “the problem” “the entire problem of everything in the world” The Jews are the greatest liars and swindlers in the history of mankind . In the history of mankind. And Hitler comes along to try and solve this Jewish problem and in doing so becomes maybe the second liar, criminal, and swindler known to mankind. Hitler becomes a dictator and orders actions by executive fiat. That is what dictators do. The very nature of a dictatorship is in essence a criminal consortium. A gang of criminals acting outside of the law, because the dictator makes up the laws. So you have one criminal gang the Third Reich trying to wipe out a worse criminal gang the Jews.
I am really sketchy on the morality of that, and I hope you can see why fair minded law abiding people might agree with me. Hitler and the Reich’s greater good’s plan was also not appealing, Hitler wanted Germany to be a pure Aryan race that is genetically free from intermarriage to lesser races, so in essence Hitler was trying to produce a master race. Well truthfully Caroline, forgetting the Jews for a moment, many people are turned off to that idea of a master race.
Hitler gassing the disabled, was a criminal act. No less criminal than what you accuse the Jews of. Hitler even lied about it. He swindled the families of the disabled. Much to your dismay, thevcourts and religious codes protect the disabled and their families. Suppose someone decides you are disabled? See my point.
Hitler stripped the Jews of their citizenship, seized their property and money and pillaged anything of value they owned. Hitler also pillaged foreign countries of their art and treasures. Hitler was a real criminal. Jews after loosing everything were herded into ghettos and forced to wear yellow stars. How would you feel if that happened to you. Today the Jews tomorrow the Yeagers, the gypsies, the homosexuals. Who is next? That is what people see. They just do not trust you.
National Socialist, and Hitler supporters calling the Jews liars and conspirators is like the kettle calling the pot black. No? You scream and rail against being silenced by the Zionist conspirators. Free speech you say, you want free speech, and you are put in jail for H denial, for just speaking the truth as you see it. Irving and other deniers ruined. Careers lost and many of you beaten up. Image the brutality shown to you!!!! I would make you all where poop badges colored brown on your clothes, lock you into jail, throw away the key by executive fiat. Criminal!! You, Hitler and the Third Reich were dictatorial criminals. The SS threw people around if they did not like the way they looked. Why would anyone support criminals like yourselves, who claim that the really bad people are the Jews not you.
The sad truth of the H deniers. Clearly just lost in space. You do not think Hitler meant to murder the greatest criminals, swindlers and liars known to mankind? That is what you say.
About the gassing of the disabled You say:
What you really mean is that you have not found anyone to lie about Hitlers criminal behavior.
You write: “I get the feeling you’re sorry you ever answered my challenge and would like to get out of it. Just say so and I’ll drop it.”
My response: I am not sorry I answered your challenge way back in comment number 917. National Socialist Germany committed crimes during World War II. These include illegal medical experimentation in many of its camps and its euthanasia program. These are obvious crimes that should not need much explanation.
However, I think your posts on this subject are tiresome and unprodutive. I also don’t think that you are attempting to comprehend what I am saying. For example, I never said that 75,000 Germans died in the euthansia program. I have always used the words “approximately 75,000,” which is not a pecific number, but rather a rough estimate of the number of Germans who were killed in this program.
I do want to end all discussions with you on this subject. I have better things to do with my time.
You’re misquoting Ron Unz, Fran. He didn’t say that Jews were the greatest liars and swindlers in the history of mankind. He said they were the greatest killers in the last one hundred years.
Why??
Your smart-assed attitude does you no favor.
My “take” on eugenics is not important. Stating that the historic origin of the eugenics movement was in favor in the USA IS relevant to the conversation.
Lighten up already…
You are totally skirting the issue unless you feel the Auschwitz Album by SS photographers Ernst Hofmann an Bernhard Walter is fake? If you look at the selection photos there is one line going to the camps, where the Jews are registered, you can see in my first three photos of my post #1113, that the Jews are now prisoners, with proper uniforms.
You can also see on photo 4, 5 and 6 Jews walking towards the crematorium, These two lines going in different directions are from the same transports. All of these photos show the breaking up of families. There are many photos of Jews waiting outside of the crematoriums. Why were those walking to the crematorium not registered in the camp? Why did some get registered in the camp and some go to the crematorium? Both of the lines were part of families, one part of the family went to the camp, the other to the crematorium.
The people that went to the crematorium are the Jews that disappeared. They were never seen again. They were never registered in the camps. Did they call a cab? Where did they go? Of the 800,00o Hungarian Jews in the beginning of 1944, only 150,000 to 200,00 survived. That means that 360,000 of the 427,00 Jews that went to Auschwitz were killed. Only 11% of the Jewish children in Europe survived. You can see in the Auschwitz that most of the Jews walking to the crematorium were children. Not a lot of Jews, adults or children survived. 18,000 disabled out of 437,000 is not a lot. Many became disabled after labor service. They did not register in the camp disabled. Look at the photographs of the registered Jews. All healthy. Look at the Jews walking to the crematorium all sickly, old and children. You really need to answer where those Jews who disappeared were. Not a big leap from a crematorium to death. I mean really John.
I posted a lot of the book in my posts, but I did not show the foot notes. The book is heavily sourced pages sourced after each chapter. Here is the proof that the murder of the Hungarian Jews was orchestrated. There are further chapters discussing the expansion and implantation of faster burn capacity as worked out with Topf and a German in charge. It was of paramount importance to Eichmann who as you know was stationed in Hungary overseeing the entire deportation of the Hungarian Jews.
The below is heavily sourced. Please check book for sources, and footnotes.
Oh really, You are so stupid, you probably think that Hungary is a country full of starving people.
How is the body count going on the 8 muffle ovens?
You write: “The people that went to the crematorium are the Jews that disappeared. They were never seen again…Where did they go.”
My response: These Jews did not disappear. They reappeared when it was time to receive reparations from the German government.
As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimates that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that over 2.9 million Jews had received BEG restitution claims by January 1984.
The number of 2.9 million Jewish claimants understates the number of Jews who survived World War II because as of 1985 Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust survivors” around the world in 1985 had received restitution under the BEG. If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean that approximately 5.8 million European Jews survived German persecution during World War II. Such a large number of surviving Jews is not consistent with a German program of genocide against European Jewry.
The New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war was over if Germany had mass murdered six million Jews? Norman Finkelstein, the author of The Holocaust Industry, quotes his mother as asking, “If everyone who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?” (Source: Interview with Norman Finkelstein, by Viktor Frölke, in Salon.com, “Shoah business,” Aug. 30, 2000. See also Finkelstein, Norman, The Holocaust Industry, New York: Verso, 2000, p. 81).
You write: “I posted a lot of the book in my posts, but I did not show the foot notes. The book is heavily sourced pages sourced after each chapter. Here is the proof that the murder of the Hungarian Jews was orchestrated.”
My response: I have a hard copy of the book “The Holocaust in Hungary: Evolution of a Genocide.” This is the book you were originally discussing. You have the Kindle Edition of the book The Holocaust in Hungary (Documenting Life and Destruction: Holocaust Sources in Context). The authors of these two books are the same, but we might be dealing with two different books here.
Regardless, the footnotes I see in my copy of the book are at the bottom of the pages instead of the end of each chapter. Also, I don’t see anything in these footnotes which constitutes “the proof that the murder of the Hungarian Jews was orchestrated.”
You write: “The below is heavily sourced. Please check book for sources, and footnotes.”
My response: Your quoted section is on pages 214-215 of my hard copy of the book “The Holocaust in Hungary: Evolution of a Genocide” by the same authors. The page numbers are totally different, but the text is largely the same.
I am not sure what you think this above-quoted passage proves. It begins by saying that by March 1944 the SS had stopped expansion of the Birkenau Camp. I have no problem with this statement.
It then states that Arthur Liebehenschel and Fritz Hartjenstein were dismissed and replaced by Rudolf Höss. It then states that Rudolf Höss had only one week to prepare the Birkenau Camp. I have no problem with these statements.
It then states that Rudolf Höss appointed Richard Baer to run Auschwitz I and made Josef Kramer—who later gained notoriety as head of the Bergen-Belsen camp—commander of Birkenau. I have no problem with these statements.
It then states that Höss did a variety of things to expand the capcity of Birkenau. It next states that “Höss was aware that despite the completion of four new crematoria in 1943, equipped with dressing halls, gas chambers, and furnaces, the camp’s cremation capacity was insufficient for the envisioned destruction of 1 million Hungarian Jews.” I totally agree with the statement that the crermation capacity of Birkenau was never close to sufficient to cremate all of the Hungarian Jews.
It then states that “he dismissed the commander of the crematoria and recalled SS-Hauptscharführer Otto Moll from the Gleiwitz subcamp. In 1942, Moll was in charge of exhuming and cremating corpses buried in mass graves before the Birkenau crematoria went into operation.” I am fine with this statement. Before the expansion of the crematoria, many dead bodies had to be burned because of the typhus epidemic raging in Auschwitz-Birkenau. You might enjoy reading the book “Auschwitz: Forensically Examined” by Cyrus Cox for more information.
It then states that Moll increased the gassing and cremating capacities at Birkenau, and ordered giant burning pits dug. The problem I have with this statement is that it implies that there were homicidal gas chambers at Birkenau when, in fact, there were none.
It then states: “Meanwhile, Eichmann’s deputy in Berlin, Rolf Günther, ordered Zyklon B gas from the Waffen-SS. Through the end of May, a total of 990 kilograms of the lethal insecticide arrived in Auschwitz.” Zyklon B was definitely used in the delousing chambers at Birkenau. This is why you see the blue staining trhoughout the walls of the delousing chambers. With the arrival of many new Jews from Hungary, the Zyklon B would have been needed to delouse their clothes. This makes total sense to me.
So, what is this passage suppose to prove? The only issue I have with this passage is that it implies that there were homicidal gas chambers at Birkenau when, in fact, there were none. It does nothing to prove that the Germans had a program of genocide against the Hungarian Jews.
‘…My response: The more relevant question is: Why did so many young children survive Auschwitz-Birkenau? ‘
How many children did survive Auschwitz-Birkenau? Wouldn’t an unusually high proportion of those making such claim be charlatans or fantasists?
After all, one of the several unfortunate effects of the Holocaust cult is that it has created enormous incentives to create such fictions about oneself. Suppose you are someone who was born in 1940, and you have various incoherent memories of parents vanishing, and fear, and hunger, and a camp somewhere, and then you eventually wound up in an orphanage in wherever.
Now it’s 2000 and you’re a rather drab sixty year old with some very unpleasant childhood memories. Say ‘I dunno exactly where I was,’ or say ‘I was in Auschwitz’ and take it on the road to sympathy, attention, and applause?
‘…The New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war was over if Germany had mass murdered six million Jews? ‘
You could be said to have answered your own question. If you pay people to claim they were victims of Nazi concentration camps and survived, how many claimants do you think will turn up?
I’m reminded of the fifty million (!) claims for Covid-related unemployment benefits that were made in response to the offer of lavish benefits for Covid-related unemployment. Pay people to say something, and a lot of people will say it.
The people in the photos look well fed and healthy to me, with the exception of the two in the chairs.
What is this? Another attempt at humour? Ha, ha.
‘…The New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany…’
I’m skeptical that these figures refer to Jews that were actually incarcerated in concentration camps — much less to Jews that could actually furnish evidence that they had survived such an experience.
The whole history of Holocaust victim compensation has been a thinly disguised extortion racket.
Consider this most recent chapter, just concluded last month:
‘Germany and Jewish groups reached a final agreement on Thursday over compensation to the last survivors of the Holocaust, almost eight decades after the end of World War II.
Berlin will pay 1.3 billion euros, equivalent to $1.3 billion, for home care for elderly survivors—including 8,500 Jews from Ukraine forced into exile by the Russian invasion of their country—according to the agreement announced at a commemorative event attended by Chancellor Olaf Scholz…’
Germany is to give money for the care of Jews ‘driven’ from the Ukraine by the Russian invasion? These are Holocaust victims? Hopefully they’re not to be added to the tally of those who ‘survived the camps.’
Obviously, earlier claims may not have been as absurd — but do the numbers really refer to survivors of the camps, or even alleged survivors of the camps? Hasn’t Germany been bullied into just accepting whatever claims are presented and handing over whatever money the Holocaust ‘Industry’ demands?
See Finkelstein’s analysis of the absurdly inflated compensation claims paid by the Swiss banks. It’s all been a blackmail scheme in which the victims pay to avoid being publicly libeled. I don’t think figures thus generated can be taken as providing a reliable count of anything beyond the cupidity of the extortionists and the timidity of their victims — at least, not without further evidence.
The German intelligence service Abwehr also told him the Soviets only had 90 infantry divisions, 23 cavalry divisions and 28 mechanised brigades. It must have seemed as though the “Judeo-Communist beast” was easy pickings. By the time the Abwehr raised its estimate about 25% higher it was June 1941 and too late to back out. The later estimate was still too low.
Factor in other elements like the Germans being over-confident after the surprisingly quick and easy victory in the West, racial superiority complexes vis a vis Slavs and it is possible to see why the Oberschütze thought he could take time to harangue a couple of elderly Jews who may not have been angels but also hardly look like the bloodthirsty Jewish commissars of their particular demonology.
You ask: “How many children did survive Auschwitz-Birkenau? Wouldn’t an unusually high proportion of those making such claim be charlatans or fantasists?”
My response: Carlo Mattogno has prepared a long list of children and twins at Auschwitz-Birkenau who survived the camp. Mattogno’s research is found on pages 391-407 of his book “An Auschwitz Doctor’s Eyewitness Account: The Best Selling Tall Tales of Dr. Mengele’s Assistant Analyzed.”
The pdf version of this book can be viewed at https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/37-aadea.pdf. As you can see, this is quite a long list of children who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. This list is so long that it calls into question whether Auschwitz-Birkenau was a place where mass exterminations of Jews took place. After all, young children would not have been able to assist in the German work effort.
Plus they would grow up to be Jews who wanted to kill Germans. Don’t forget that part, lol. So “Nazis” had plenty of reason to kill them and had the means at hand; why didn’t they?
Colin Wright is just trying to weasel out of every factual argument with his ‘famous’ reasoning and speculation.
But it had already been said, by others earlier in the thread. One I recall was HdC. And going back 20 years and more, hundreds and thousands of times. It’s not new information, Maybe I should respond, “stop showing off already.” We’re here to oppose the lies, not to strokes our egos. I find it irritating.
You’re writing to me, Carolyn, and you write:
That quote is not from me. It’s from John Wear. You are such a mixed up babe, you should hang it up bc you’re way too scattered and undisciplined. You hardly ever make any sense.
If you have better things to do, why do you spend so much time debating with Fran Taubman when it gets you nowhere? I think I know why. With Fran Taubman you can win – everyone can win with Fran – but with me you can’t. And you won’t, either.
I’m getting a lot of insight into this Morality issue. Do you know that it’s mainly ‘moral beliefs’ that stop the flow of knowledge? Fear that one will trespass against all the Thou Shalt’s and Thou Shalt Not’s that society is indoctrinated with? It blocks free thinking. Not that ‘thoughts’ are the highest form of knowledge, but Knowledge DOES have to occur in our mind for us to recognize it. Sometimes the truth can be too much for the religiously indoctrinated mind to accept … in fact, most of the time! And I am not a totally non-religious person! But I have managed to stay pretty free all my life, and I’ve made a lot of progress.
As everyone should realize, Ultra-Orthodox Judaism is replete with the Thou Shalt’s and Thou Shalt Not’s. It infects even the Reform Jews, and even non-religious Jews. The Christian Religion adopted much of it, but you don’t hear it from Jesus (except for the words put in his mouth by the Church Fathers to justify the huge part they gave themselves).
Regarding the first paragraph of your post, I’d like to see some believable literature to support that assertion.
From what I read, the German high command had good intelligence of what the USSR was up to and what the Wehrmacht was up against as far as numerical superiority was concerned.
When operation Barbarossa was implemented, it was know as an “iffy” proposition by the high command. Nevertheless, the decision to proceed with the attack was based on sound reasoning:
In 1941 German military capability was probably at its maximum; waiting with a defensive attack would only give the USSR more time to prepare for its invasion of Europe.
That the Wehrmacht made it to the outskirts of Moscow, in the face of superior numbers of forces and weaponry, bears out the value of the German decision.
It was the supply of millions of tons of food stuff and war material by the USA that finally gave the USSR superior capability. Even Stalin acknowledged this.
Read “Icebreaker” by Viktor Suvorov for details on this operation.
You ask: “If you have better things to do, why do you spend so much time debating with Fran Taubman when it gets you nowhere?”
My response: I debate with Fran for two reasons. First, it gives me some ideas for possible future articles. My article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8187 came directly from my discussions with Fran on this website.
Second, people can follow these discussions and possibly gain new insights into the so-called Holocaust. It gives me an opportunity to present information to people that they might not have otherwise known about.
You write: “With Fran Taubman you can win – everyone can win with Fran – but with me you can’t. And you won’t, either.”
My response: It depends on how you define winning. For example, on another discussion thread, you got into a debate with Ron Unz. You said that Dr. Arthur Robert Butz never used the word “Nazi” to describe the National Socialists, whereas Mr. Unz said that he did. Ron Unz was clearly right here. There are many dozens of times in which Dr. Butz uses the word “Nazi” to describe the National Socialists in his book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century”, but you refused to recognize what Ron Unz was saying to you.
Ron Unz got tired of discussing the issue with you and went away. So, you won from the standpoint that Mr. Unz got tired of discussing the issue with you, but you lost in that what Mr. Unz was saying to you was correct. You simply would not accept what he was saying to you.
In our discussion, which originated from your comment number 917 on this discussion thread, you challenged Holocaust revisionists to think of any crimes committed by the National Socialists. I accepted your challenge, and mentioned the illegal medical experimentation performed by the National Socialists in many of their camps, and Dr. Sigmund Rascher’s hellacious experiments as a specific example. I later mentioned the German euthanasia program as another example of National Socialist Germany’s crimes.
You never would accept that these were crimes committed by National Socialist Germany. Fran Taubman and I may not agree on much, but we both agree that these are crimes, and I think most people on this discussion thread would agree with us. So, I don’t think you won the debate, but after a while there is not much point in discussing the matter with you.
Franny, Franny, you really need to get your big Jewish brain in gear if you ever wish to prevail in any argument about the holohoax. On second thought, why should you bother? Yours is a losing proposition an any case.
As to the topic at hand, not ONCE have I ever written a word about Jews in Hungary; neither am I likely to do so. You are very good at putting words into peoples’ mouths, aren’t you?
Now to the real issues:
You wrote in a post above that the Germans were implementing cremation processes where the body fat was SUFFICIENT for the cremation process, and that no further fuel needed to be added to keep the cremation process going.
Several posts later you wrote that the fat from the bodies IMPEDED the cremation process.
So what is it??? And you call me stupid? But keep up your good work Franny. I do enjoy your humorous attempts at prose.
You write: “Read “Icebreaker” by Viktor Suvorov for details on this operation.”
My response: “Icebreaker” is a good book. However, Viktor Suvorov’s updated book “The Chief Culprit” is even better. Hitler invaded the Soviet Union for preemptive reasons.
You write: “It was the supply of millions of tons of food stuff and war material by the USA that finally gave the USSR superior capability. Even Stalin acknowledged this.”
My response: This is also true. I highly recommend the book “Stalin’s War: A New History of World War II” by Sean McMeekin for more information on this subject.
‘…Factor in other elements like the Germans being over-confident after the surprisingly quick and easy victory in the West, racial superiority complexes vis a vis Slavs and it is possible to see why the Oberschütze thought he could take time to harangue a couple of elderly Jews who may not have been angels but also hardly look like the bloodthirsty Jewish commissars of their particular demonology.’
To be fair to your Oberschutze, you may be overlooking a couple of points here.
First, while extirpating the menace of Judeo-Bolshevism may strike you as an unnecessary distraction, for the Germans, it was a good deal of ‘why we fight.’ Of course their propaganda was going to focus on how here at last, we are truly penetrating into the lair of the beast. The Oberschutze isn’t ignoring the enemy; he’s confronting it.
Second, while you are right that the Germans really were at a peak of arrogance and assurance in mid-1941, the Ukraine aside, it really was pretty smooth sailing at first in the East. In fact, if memory serves, German casualties for the first six weeks of the campaign were proportionate to the force engaged, no worse than they had been for the six weeks of the French campaign. If one reads Karl Fuchs’ War Letters, for example, his confidence is quite undimmed into October. It’s only in the last couple of months of his life (he died outside Moscow in December) that he has to start reassuring himself that victory is inevitable. Before that point, he’s able to take it for granted.
To the Germans, it appeared that they were winning — and winning easily. I believe that it is at some point in late July that Halder self-satisfiedly notes in his diary that the campaign has basically been decided.
I think it would have been — if the Germans had just plunged straight on for Moscow. But that’s another argument.
‘My response: Carlo Mattogno has prepared a long list of children and twins at Auschwitz-Birkenau who survived the camp. Mattogno’s research is found on pages 391-407 of his book “An Auschwitz Doctor’s Eyewitness Account: The Best Selling Tall Tales of Dr. Mengele’s Assistant Analyzed.”…’
I glanced at this — but it just led me to something that only confirmed my beliefs.
One chapter was headed ‘The Jews of Corfu.’ That’s interesting, says Colin.
So one thing leads to another, and he winds up reading about the Jews of Corfu. They were members of a long-established community, and the they seem to have gotten along reasonably well with the locals. No one disputes that as of 1944, there were about 1900 of them on the island, and no one disputes that the Nazis deported them all that year. The next year, of course, they were all free to come back.
…and one would have thought that many of them would have. Corfu, after all, is a nice place, and this was a community that had been there for eight hundred years.
…but in 1946, there were only 140 Jews on Corfu. Today, only 65, if I recall my reading aright.
So…jeepers. Absent a — shall we say, Holocaust — one would expect at least a thousand or so to have returned, and, oh, several hundred to still be there. After all, it’s not as if they’d been gone for a long time, and it’s not as if Corfu would be a place people would be glad to get out of. Why not go home? They liked post-war Silesia better? They were all fanatical Zionists? What?
Whatever could have happened? I s’pcions most of them in fact went to Auschwitz, and were in fact killed there, just as the story has it.
You can keep selecting evidence, and you can keep finding dubious testimonies, but what I keep seeing is the bulk of the data pointing to the same fact. Australia really is there. All the Jews of Corfu went up in smoke — and I say literally as well as figuratively.
This is a strawman argument and a dishonest one at that. This ongoing discussion is about the 437,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz. Not the restitution of all of the Jewish Holocaust survivors. What specifically happened to the Jews walking towards the crematorium and the Jews waiting around the crematorium shown in the Auschwitz album? What was the fait of those particular Jews? Those Jews not the ones claiming restitution. You are mixing apple with oranges. And it is dishonest. Where did those Jews go, that were never admitted to the camp?
With regards to restitution for the Hungarian Jews. The 250,000 remaining after 550,00 were murdered. Payments ended in 1998. from the Jewish virtual library. The survivors received $200 for every lost relative, increased to $1800.00 Wow so much money. Jews collected 5 to 10% of their property value that was illegally taken from them, again oh wow.
For Hungary:
» HUNGARIAN “GOLD TRAIN”: On March 17, 2005, the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida preliminarily approved the Hungarian Gold Train settlement.Allegations were made that the United States mishandled the personal property (a train of approximately twenty-four freight cars that contained personal property taken, seized, confiscated or stolen by the Hungarian government from Hungarian Jews) after the U.S. Army took such property into its custody at the conclusion of World War II and that the United States improperly disposed of some of the property.Under the settlement, approximately $21 million provided by the US government will fund social service programs benefiting Jewish Hungarian victims of Nazi persecution.
With regards to who is winning these discussions where Carolyn declares you the winner. There is no winner or looser. You have a story and data, and I have a story and data. Parallel universes. The question is who’s story is more believable mine or yours. My story is hands down more believable than yours. You come back with silliness like there is no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz because Gemar Rudolf says Prussian blue. You retort the transports, selection process, and the walk to the crematorium with restitutions must be where the missing Jews went. So unbelievable.
You see in a book, the preparation of a myriad of crematoriums and ramps built for the incoming Jews at Auschwitz. Crematoriums for what? You have a selection process where Jews are admitted to the camp, and old, sick, and children are seen walking to the crematorium, to never been seen again. Never. And you come back with restitutions Mine you the transportation of Hungarian is photographed by the German SS. Missing Jews, Missing Jews.
In 1944 with the walls closing in on the Germans what is the biggest thing on Eichmann’s mind?
Shoring up the front? Getting much need supplies and food to the German armies and citizens. No the biggest thing on Eichmann and Hitlers mind is the transport of the entire Hungarian Jewish population from Hungary to Auschwitz, with an increase in crematorium capacity. Such an effort, such planning, such logistics in 1944. The biggest concerns, getting the Jews out of Hungary to Auschwitz. Why John? Why this supper coordinated effort?
I will ask you again John. Why did the Germans transport the Jews to Auschwitz. These as you can see by the photos are not the elite Jews, the bankers, the business owners. Look at those photos. Why are the Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz with beefed up Crematoriums in 1944. Why couldn’t the Jews stay in Hungary. Many foreign governments pleading with the Hungarians officials not to let the transports to continue, knowing what was being reported about the deaths of the Jews in Auschwitz. Transporting hundreds of people in cattle cars with one bucket of water and one bucket for bathroom.
What is your answer. Other than murdering and cremating the Jews. I do not see any answer. You can answer what you want. But odds are people see it as the genocide of the Hungarian Jews. That is the world sees it.
Since the 16th century many have imagined—without any credible evidence and removed millennia from Jesus’ Ministry—that they have a better grip than the Apostles and Fathers on what Jesus taught and didn’t teach. I’m going with the consistent and credible reports of contemporary eyewitnesses (genuine eyewitness who were quite unlike today’s holohoax schnorrers)
I submit that the writings of the Early Fathers did record what was taught orally by Jesus and faithfully passed on by His Apostles.
So you think you have a winning argument when you bring Ron Unz into it. I am acutely aware that you are bringing in a third party to demonstrate what you see as a defeat for me, not a defeat brought about by you. And as you are wont to do, you’re mis-characterizing (or simply mis-remembering) the whole exchange and leaving out vital details.
You choose not to say anything about the moral and “God” concerns you had earlier, but to go straight to Ron Unz who, like Fran, is a full Jew. You’re grateful and proud that he added your book “Germany’s War” as a pdf to his online library. You’re trying to make the point that I say that I’ve won even when I haven’t. And I didn’t win against Ron Unz. And yes, I will dispute that.
Here’s my best memory of it: On a comment thread several yrs ago, I brought up my pet peeve of the term “Nazi” being used in place of National Socialist, saying that Hitler & associates never used it except very, very rarely as a “slang” term. Ron Unz rather angrily disagreed with me bc he uses it all the time and never National Socialist. With Ron, there’s only Nazi. I casually mentioned that revisionists, such as Arthur Butz, didn’t use the term, but anti-revisionists did.
However it went, Unz came back saying Arthur Butz used the word “Nazi” over two hundred times in “Hoax,” (not a lot in a book on this subject of 493 pages.) He did a search because he has it online. I looked in my copy and retorted that “Hoax” was full of long quoted material, documents, appendices, etc where the word Nazi would be used by others, plus Butz would use it when that which he was writing about/commenting on used it. In the 1970’s, it was not the issue it has become today. So Unz finds an example of Butz using it himself, and claims victory. I continued to stand by what I said, and I still do today. John’s sympathy is all with Ron Unz. I didn’t refuse to recognize what Unz was saying; I didn’t think it was strong evidence for his contention that “Nazi” was harmless, widely used by all, including Arthur Butz. He went away because he had no more to say. He always goes away pretty quickly. I remained on the thread.
In exactly the same fashion, in #1118 you, John, analyze my reasons this way: “I think your posts on this subject are tiresome and unprodutive. I also don’t think that you are attempting to comprehend what I am saying. For example, I never said that 75,000 Germans died in the euthansia program. I have always used the words “approximately 75,000,” which is not a pecific number, but rather a rough estimate of the number of Germans who were killed in this program.” It looks like a specific number to me, and to others I dare say, and that is what is remembered, not the addition of “approximately.”
No one except Fran has said they agree with you, from the very first time you brought it up. HdC has disagreed with you. “Most people” don’t want to get involved with it.
Maybe they wound up in one of the 60 countries where survivors were interviewed for the filming of Schindler’s List?
People go where people go.
It is just too intellectually lazy to blame everything on the NSDAP.
WTF are you talking about? Completely clueless. To me this is totally devoid of meaning, unless you mean let’s throw morality out the window, it blocks free thinking and is not for the faint of heart.
You ask: “What specifically happened to the Jews walking towards the crematorium and the Jews waiting around the crematorium shown in the Auschwitz album? What was the fait of those particular Jews?”
My response: We know that they were not gassed to death, because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
You write: “My story is hands down more believable than yours. You come back with silliness like there is no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz because Gemar Rudolf says Prussian blue.”
My response: In additon to Germar Rudolf, we have reports, articles, testimony, books and videos from Fred Leuchter, Walter Lüftl, Friedrich Paul Berg, Dr. William B. Lindsey, Carlo Mattogno, John C. Ball, Dr. Arthur Robert Butz, Dr. Nicholas Kollerstrom, Dr. Robert Faurisson, Wolfgang Fröhlich, Richard Krege and David Cole.
But then, you have Jean-Claude Pressac, who wrote a massive book titled “Auschwitz: Technique and Operarion of the Gas Chambers.” Despite its title, there is not one word in the entire book about the technique and operation of the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Pressac did not write anything about the homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau because there was nothing to write about.
You ask: “Crematoriums for what?”
My response: Crematoriums were built primarily because of the typhus epidemic at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
You write: “I will ask you again John. Why did the Germans transport the Jews to Auschwitz…Why couldn’t the Jews stay in Hungary.”
My response: Jews were interned in camps and ghettos during World War II because Jews were generally hostile toward Germany, and many Jewish partisans were actively killing German troops. In addition to ghetto fighters, Jewish civilians fled to the forests and enlisted in partisan units, carrying out sabotage and intelligence missions. The authorities of the Third Reich reasoned that Jews had to be interned to protect against these sabotage and intelligence operations.
Franny baby, all you do is copy-and-paste, ad infinitum, Jewish tales of horror, that even the Israeli Supreme Court dismissed as unbelievable. It would behoove you to dig out that story and learn from it.
But you act typically with Jewish methodology: Blame others for your sins. A.H. had your tribe nailed down to a “T” when he described his dialogues with members of your tribe in Vienna.
Regarding your tale of Jewish woe: If you are bent on simply murdering, the easiest, fastest, and cheapest, is to have them dig a hole and machine gun them. That’s how your liberators, the murderous USSR did it. Katyn Forest style.
And in the middle of a great war one would not move people hundreds of miles to commit such a deed. Maybe you brilliant Jews would do that; the dumb Germans were smarter than that.
About the lack of rest room facilities. You know that those evacuation trains were pulled by steam powered locomotives, right? And that these locomotives needed to stop every 150 Km or so to take on coal and water, right? (In all honesty, that is my estimate based on Canadian steam train practice, with which I am somewhat acquainted. Feel free to correct me here with authenticated information).
Those train stops were the perfect opportunity to make use of the public facilities or, at least go into the bushes as it were.
But then, US general Patton had a few things to say about eastern European Jews and their lack of appreciation and usage of civilized bathroom facilities. So maybe those buckets were a courtesy and not really needed. What do you think?
Please carry on with your tales of Jewish woe; I find them quite amusing.
You write: “I am acutely aware that you are bringing in a third party to demonstrate what you see as a defeat for me, not a defeat brought about by you.”
My response: I successfully answered your challenge in comment number 917 of this discussion thread. National Socialist Germany committeed crimes during World War II. This should be obvious to more people than just Fran Taubman and myself.
You write: “Here’s my best memory of it: On a comment thread several yrs ago, I brought up my pet peeve of the term “Nazi” being used in place of National Socialist, saying that Hitler & associates never used it except very, very rarely as a “slang” term.”
My response: The discussion thread I am referring to was within the last year. Ron Unz did mention that you and he had had this discussion before. This was the second time the two of you had this discussion.
You write: “I looked in my copy and retorted that “Hoax” was full of long quoted material, documents, appendices, etc where the word Nazi would be used by others, plus Butz would use it when that which he was writing about/commenting on used it. In the 1970’s, it was not the issue it has become today. So Unz finds an example of Butz using it himself, and claims victory. I continued to stand by what I said, and I still do today. John’s sympathy is all with Ron Unz.”
My response: Dr. Butz used the word “Nazi” in his book many times when it was not from long quoted material, documents or appendices. This becomes apparent even from a casual reading of Dr. Butz’s book.
You write: “No one except Fran has said they agree with you, from the very first time you brought it up. HdC has disagreed with you. “Most people” don’t want to get involved with it.”
My response: Yes, most people don’t want to get involved in such discussions. They will have to read comments such as I am more spiritual than you. In another discussion thread, you also said that I was mildy autistic. People would rather not get involved in such discussions.
‘Maybe they wound up in one of the 60 countries where survivors were interviewed for the filming of Schindler’s List?
People go where people go.’
All but one hundred and forty of them? Worse, that seems to have been the number that managed to evade deportation in the first place. Did any of the Jews of Corfu return from their little involuntary excursion?
Surely — absent a program of deliberate genocide — some would have come back: five hundred, a thousand, fifteen hundred. But virtually all vanished — went up in smoke, so to speak. What does that suggest to you?
Another slight at hand attempt to make something out of nothing. It is extremely difficult to asses how many children survived Auschwitz, because the camp evolved and changed positions on children from 1941 to 1945, At one point there were two family camps, one for the Jews and one for the Romas, where the children were allowed to stay with the parents and there was day care and schools. There were 1500 children transported from the Warsaw ghetto that were registered individually. Childbirth and the fate of infants varied widely from year to year. But both the mothers and the infants were severely malnourished and survival was rare. There were survivors thanks to a gifted midwife and nurse. There was just so much fluctuation from year to year, as Auschwitz was originally for Polish political prisoners, and at that time child birth was acceptable, and children tolerated. Latter on it was not, then it evolved into a death camp for mostly Jews. There is a podcast on the children of Auschwitz that explains the evolution of Auschwitz towards the fate of Jewish children on the Holocaust memorial website. It is accurate as it explains that some of the children being educated at Auschwitz developed careers the Germans used in the war effort. (just saying that they were not all murdered. The podcast sounds credible ant the research to me sounds solid.) The podcast is believable, proving that understanding the fate of children at Auschwitz is complicated.
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/fate-of-children/
Despite the changing events with regards to the children, the numbers are pretty stark. So 26,000 out of 216 children were registered at the camp. If you were not registered, odds are you were killed the day you arrived, as seen in the Auschwitz Album, of children marching towards the crematorium, including babies. So approximately 206,000 children were murdered.
I looked at Matt0gno’s numbers and I am clueless as to what they mean. There are a lot of question marks on the listed tables. I counted in the first table of survivors 96 children. The second table is a list of twins. I ignored the ??? marks and added up the L, and the ones marked with a date. I added about 430 children. I am probably off by a lot but not by more then 50, as I was watching the Giants football game and it was a thriller.
So the total list of children saved are about 500. Not sure of the significance of that number or what you are trying to point out, as 206,000 were murdered in Auschwitz. All told only 6 to 11% of the Jewish children of Europe survived.
Anyway you look at this, Prussian blue or no Prussian blue, the fate of the Jews was very bleak. From loosing all of their jobs, property and valuables, to being herded into over crowded ghettos and forced to wear yellow stars, to being shipped off to camps in horrible conditions to the Jews you see standing in the selection lines, to the amount of Jews that survived. It was an all out assault on the lives of the Jews by the National Socialist. Certainly one could call it an organized attempt to eliminate the Jews from Europe. They lost the war. When people saw the way the what was going on, the world was dedicated to seeing Third Reich and Hitler go down. I do not see how you or any the revisionist, who call every document and photograph a fake, can be taken seriously claim that the Holocaust did not happen. Point one. Just follow the logic of Carolyn Yeager, she is exhibit A that the Holocaust happened, because she believes it was a just cause, it just was not executed properly, and the Germans got a bad rap. How can you read or listen to her and not come to that conclusion? Her rants are void of morality, which she considers restrictive (morality and god) To Carolyn morality is just not that important, and without it we would all be much more liberated and free thinkers.
To me (and most people) this sounds like an unhinged defense of the mass murder of European Jewry by the National Socialist. What else could it mean?
John, thanks for your reply and recommendations. I shall seek them out.
On the issue of NSDAP crimes, I should like to read your thinking on the definition of ‘crime’. Thanks.
You write: “Another slight at hand attempt to make something out of nothing.”
My response: Not really. If Auschwitz-Birkenau was a camp where every Jew was to be exterminated except for the good workers, young children would not have survived the camp.
The young children who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau keep popping up all the time. On this discussion thread, Carolyn Yeager criticized my use of Alfred Pasternak as a source reference for the German medical experimentation program. It turns out that Dr. Pasternak is a child suvivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau. See https://friendsofhungary.hu/hungarian-officer-s-cross-order-of-merit-to-alfred-pasternak-2.
You write: “So 26,000 out of 216 children were registered at the camp.”
My response: Is this what you meant to say? Maybe you were watching the New York Giants football game when you wrote this.
You write: “Anyway you look at this, Prussian blue or no Prussian blue, the fate of the Jews was very bleak. From loosing all of their jobs, property and valuables, to being herded into over crowded ghettos and forced to wear yellow stars, to being shipped off to camps in horrible conditions to the Jews you see standing in the selection lines, to the amount of Jews that survived. It was an all out assault on the lives of the Jews by the National Socialist.”
My response: The fate of Jews during World War II was certainly no worse than the fate of the German expellees after World War II. Yet most of the world has never heard of the fate of the German expellees after the war. And the German expellees were never compensated for their loss of life and the loss of all of their real property. In fact, the German expellees had to pay reparations after the war to the millions of Jews who survived the so-called Holocaust.
All have been solidly refuted and their theories and data ground to dust. Look up Holocaust denial, on the internet, you will see all the holes poked into all of the above men. Big topic, all is discussed. No surprises. See the website Holocaust controversies. Are you denying the disputed facts and refutation of the above? Are you not aware that new discoveries regarding forensics have been brought forward. Many of the theories of the men you site are over 30 years old. Time and information has moved on.
Jean-Claude Pressac has a book with the original blue prints of Auschwitz. The drawings are clearly marked "gassing cellar". The drawings for the air tight door is fully explained that it was designed to not let out poisonous air. Pressac showing the layout not the gassing technique. You would have to ask the SS and the Sonderkammados about the "technique" for gassing men, women and children, and how they were then cremated.
This repeated statement is woefully insufficient to explain both the location of the 5 crematoriums, at the arrival ramps of the train station platform, not at the hospitals where the Typhus patients died, Or the amount of ovens, which was way more then needed for Typhus. As well as the well documented need of the German high command to the oven designers at Topf for the need for increased body disposal. Way way more than what would be needed for Typhus. The absolute desperation for greater and faster burn capacity. Like Hoss said. The killing is easy, getting rid of the bodies is not.
Fair enough, in 1944 all of the Hungarian Jews were safely ensconced in guarded ghettos, wearing their yellow stars for identification. They had been been evicted from both their homes and jobs, and were living very marginally in crowded ghettos. The Jew were very under control by both the Germans and the Hungarians. Why the need to transport them in record speed to Auschwitz where simultaneously increased ramp construction and oven capacity was being done? Why? It was certainly a drain on the German high command to have to feed and care for 500,000 Hungarian Jews. Why not leave them in their ghettos? This I am sure you would agree was a waste of time and resources in 1944. Food and clothes, and transportation needs like fuel and logistics were needed elsewhere to protect Germany. I cannot think of a single reason to transport them to Auschwitz, other than to murder and cremate them. Auschwitz would be the only place that could handle disposing of that amount of bodies.
They exported the Jews to Auschwitz to murder and cremate them. Carolyn has processed it in her mind and it has made her so insane, she keeps trying to rationalize it. I am sure in your mind in is the same a sort of acceptance but the need to try to constantly deflect the absolute supreme logical conclusion that the Germans wanted to murder the Jews.
You write: “All have been solidly refuted and their theories and data ground to dust. ”
My response: This is total nonsense. Please go back and read my articles at:
https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 The Chemistry of Auschwitz-Birkenau
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200 Did German Homicidal Gas Chambers Exist?
https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6633 Review of Auschwitz Forensically Examined
You write: “Pressac showing the layout not the gassing technique.”
My response: True. Pressac never discussed the technique and operation of the gas chambers because there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. The title of his book is totally false.
You write: “The Jew were very under control by both the Germans and the Hungarians. Why the need to transport them in record speed to Auschwitz where simultaneously increased ramp construction and oven capacity was being done? Why? It was certainly a drain on the German high command to have to feed and care for 500,000 Hungarian Jews.”
My response: If the Germans had wanted to kill all of the Hungarian Jews, why not kill them in Hungary? Why not just shoot them in the back of the head as the Soviets did to approximately 21,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Forest massacre?
How is this:
a reply or ‘response’ to this?
You’ve only repeated this ‘response’ about 8 times now. You seem to think that your “answering the challenge” should be the beginning and the end of it. Same as you’ve done on other occasions.
Yes, on having the discussion before. I usually think things are more recent than they were, so I said several years ago, but I do recall it pretty clearly so you’re no doubt right. Just this afternoon I looked in “Hoax” and counted 4 “Nazi” references, not including the chapter 1 title: “Trials, Jews and Nazis” and a section title: The Nazis,” in the first 50 pages, almost all written by him. But no ‘National Socialist.’ That’s not much. One certainly does not get the impression that Butz is throwing around the word Nazi. It can’t be accurate to say Butz used the word Nazi “many times,” if only because he doesn’t write in a way that he would use it. Neither Nazi or National Socialist is in the Index. Clearly he used it, but I’d say sparingly. He wasn’t opposed to using it in 1975.
But I did not insist to Unz that he NEVER used it once he found it. If you’ve found the exchange, you can confirm or deny that. I don’t have it and am only going by memory.
I will swear any time that I AM more spiritual than you; I know that as well as I know my own name. And you’re he one who brought up the word ‘spiritual’ for some reason. I’m not going back to look.
The way you machine-like repeat the same things over and over does suggest that to me. Sorry.
You write: “On the issue of NSDAP crimes, I should like to read your thinking on the definition of ‘crime’. Thanks.”
My response: I do not have a specific definition for the word “crime.”
When I look at Webster’s dicitionary, two definitions that stand out are: 1) an offense against morality; sin, or, coloquially 2) something regretable or deplorable.
I think when Germans forced inmates to incur excrutiating pain, suffering and sometimes death in many of their medical experiments, they were committing a crime. I think when Germans murdered mentally-ill patients in their hospitals without their informed consent, they were committing a crime. I think most people would agree with this.
What does A. Pasternak being a ‘child survivor’ have to do with his credibility re the German medical experiments?? In fact, it would more likely make him biased.
You say such weird things sometimes, John. Weird things.
If you read Sean McMeekin’s “Stalin’s War,” give us your impression here. I’d like to know. I have my doubts about the man but I don’t want to read the book.
Show of hands… How many readers believe Chabad Fran’s weeks of copy & paste Holo¢o$t hasbara?
TRUTH here: http://judaism.is/holocaust.html
You write: “It can’t be accurate to say Butz used the word Nazi “many times,” if only because he doesn’t write in a way that he would use it.”
My response: Dr. Arthur Butz uses the word “Nazi” more than four times in his book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.” It is accurate to say that Dr. Butz used the word “Nazi” many times in his book.
You write: “I will swear any time that I AM more spiritual than you; I know that as well as I know my own name. And you’re the one who brought up the word ‘spiritual’ for some reason.”
My response: I think this is a rather egotistical statement on your part. You have nothing to back up your statement because you don’t know me.
In regard to your statement that I am “mildly autistic” you write: “The way you machine-like repeat the same things over and over does suggest that to me. Sorry.”
My response: I am not mildly autistic. You don’t have the training or capacity to make such a determination.
Hi Al. Thanks for writing to me, I appreciate it. I’ve been looking at your website and will look some more. I’m finding it very interesting.
Lol John. 21,000 Polish officers is not 500,000, old men, women, children and babies. The Kaytyn Forest is not Budapest or Hungry, where Jews for centuries were neighbors, and on good terms Hungarian Christian citizens. There was a prominent synagogue in Budapest and other towns. Stores and other service business were Jewish owned. Jews were an intricate part of Hungry. I do not think that the Hungarians would have allowed women, children, babies, and civilians to be murdered in open pits. These were not military officers. It would not have gone down well, and Hungarian citizens would have rebelled against the Germans, who counted on a compliant citizenry for control. If word got out that Jewish mothers and their babies were being shot in open pits. The bombing of Dresden would have started a lot sooner.. Churches and other foreign governments were already aware of German atrocities, and alarm bells were sounding about the criminal behavior or the Germans towards all citizens of the countries they conquered. This was 1944. The war was not going well for Germany.
In addition after some of the Jewish ghettos were liquidated, the Jews were shot up in open pits, as well as other political partisans, especially in Poland. German soldiers got physically sick watching the bodies pilled on top of one another in open pits. When you shoot people en mass in an open pit, there is movement in the pit for days. People do not die right away and the are screams and cries from lower down the pile of people who were not dead. That is why they did not shoot them in the back of the head. They were not shooting army officers, they were shooting small children and mothers holding the children in their arms. That is why the Germans went to gassing and cremation. There was no blood.
If SS soldiers got nauseous by that kind of murder of civilians there was a fear amongst the German high command that the soldiers would revolt. Who is going to shoot families in an open pit, with people begging for their life. You cannot be serious John.
The German high command also viewed gassing as the most humane way of killing, where there is no blood, the victim through deception does not know what is going to happen to them, and the perpetrator is far removed from the actual killing. These were thinking people John, and they learned from the mass shootings that the soldiers could not take it.
This is such a stupid response. I DID NOT SAY that; I clearly said he used it 4 times in Chapt 1, the first 50 pages of the book of almost 500 pages. You must be reading too fast.
Of course I don’t! And I didn’t say that NOW, but that I had wondered about it earlier. I consider it all rather amusing. I do think you take it too seriously. And obviously, you continue to harbor injured feelings. I said “sorry.”
From Wiki
‘…My response: The fate of Jews during World War II was certainly no worse than the fate of the German expellees after World War II. Yet most of the world has never heard of the fate of the German expellees after the war. And the German expellees were never compensated for their loss of life and the loss of all of their real property. In fact, the German expellees had to pay reparations after the war to the millions of Jews who survived the so-called Holocaust.’
I think you have to grant that this argument really doesn’t work. Regardless of what fate was subsequently visited on the German expellees, that wouldn’t have served to justify whatever was previously done to the Jews.
Since I first heard about him I have found this guy interesting. He was a supporting actor in several Nazi films. Then it was discovered he was Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Otto
He preferred to commit suicide with his wife rather than be sent “east”. If you believe some people on Unz, Auschwitz was a nice place with a swimming pool where Jews were served ice cream etc. Paul Otto and his wife preferred death in Berlin to that. What had they heard about their likely fate if they were “evacuated”?
I have read General Heinrici’s letters to his wife and in 1941 he sort of alternates between confidence and apprehension. Sometimes the enemy is resisting more fiercely than he expected.
German casualties were indeed proportionate to the French campaign, but that was also successfully over in six weeks. The Eastern Front went on, and on, and on with sudden sharp spikes in German and other Axis casualties, like the one that among others claimed Fuchs. From June 1941, where official German killed and missing estimates for the month were never below 10,000. Prior to that there were many months in WW2 when they were below 10,000.
Re the photo, I suspect all three of the people in the picture were dead by the end of 1941.
“Why we fight” – I have never been a Holocaust denialist. I think the Germans hated them enough to try and kill them all, and it trickled down to the Oberschütze here, whether or not he personally killed those two.
Colin Wright,
You write: “I think you have to grant that this argument really doesn’t work.”
My response: This argument works to illustrate the bias that exists in our mainstream media and educational system.
After World War II, the Allies at the Potsdam Conference agreed to expel approximately 15 million Germans from their homes in an extremely brutal fashion. Approximately 2.1 million German expellees died in these expulsions, and these Germans lost all of their real property and most of their personal property. The surviving Germans expellees had to pay reparations to the millions of surviving Jews of the so-called Holocaust. Yet, you hardly ever hear about the fate of the German expellees, while the so-called Holocaust is repeatedly mentioned in our mainstream media and educational system.
It is interesting to note that numerous Allied soldiers, doctors and journalists compared the fate of the German expellees to what they had seen in the German concentration camps.
For example, Adrian Kanaar, a British military doctor working in a Berlin medical facility, reported on an expellee train from Poland in which 75 had died on the journey due to overcrowding. Although Kanaar had just completed a stint as a medical officer at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, what he witnessed of the expellees’ plight so distressed him that he declared his willingness to face a court martial if necessary for making the facts known to the press. Kanaar declared that he had not “spent six years in the army to see a tyranny established which is as bad as the Nazis.” (Source: Douglas, R. M., Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War, New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 2012, pp. 117-118).
Gerald Gardiner, later to become Lord Chancellor of Great Britain, had been a member of a volunteer ambulance unit working with concentration camp survivors. Gardiner stated in regard to the expellee trains arriving in the late summer and autumn of 1945 from the Recovered Territories, “The removal of the dead in carts from the railway stations was a grim reminder of what I saw in early days in Belsen.” (Source: Ibid., p. 118).
Maj. Stephen Terrell of the Parachute Regiment stated: “Even a cursory visit to the hospitals in Berlin, where some of these people have dragged themselves, is an experience which would make the sights in the Concentration Camps appear normal.” (Source: Ibid., p. 117).
I am getting numerous posts now from Fran Taubman, Carolyn Yeager, Colin Wright, and HdC. I am going to end my posts here as I have better things to do with my time. Obviously, all of you can continue with these discussions as you please.
The above is an example of how a “part-Polish” person deals with what Auschwitz was and wasn’t, even in 2022. (What are your other parts, Wielgus?)
Fact: There was a swimming pool in Auschwitz, and reports from the time of the camp’s operation are that inmates of the camp used it on a regular (but regulated, I’m sure) basis.
Fact: There are legitimate reports that children at Auschwitz, in a children’s wing or barracks, were on occasion served ice cream as a treat, on the orders of the camp commandant.
Speculation, speculation, speculation. It never ends, and also never leads anywhere.
You could check out Matthew Cooper’s The German Army 1933-1945, published 1984. I also recall reading the 1970 Encyclopedia Americana’s article on WW2 which noted that the Abwehr and German armed forces intelligence generally in 1941 routinely under-estimated Red Army strength and Soviet mobilisation capacity.
If you decide that these sources are not credible or that the authors are Jewish, I cannot help you further.
“…Norman Finkelstein’s entire family both survived and died in the Holocaust…”
Do you even read the crap you copy and paste?
If English were your second language, I might overlook such a faux pas in logic.
However, coming from a brilliant Jewish brain, educated in the USA no less? One expects better.
But keep it going Franny as I do enjoy the comic relief you provide.
I haven’t read it, although I heard about it.
I’d like to read a credible critique of it before I lay out my hard earned pension money:-))
I sit available on line somewhere?
“… Regardless of what fate was subsequently visited on the German expellees, that wouldn’t have served to justify whatever was previously done to the Jews…”
Do you ever read or understand what you write???
How can an action in the future affect a current or past, action???
The Jews and many of the countries surrounding Germany were self-declared enemies of Germany, and all German actions were purely defensive. Agreed this point is argued by many, but I stand with my conviction here.
The Germans never declared war on anyone who had not previously declared war on Germany or attacked it.
That being the case, what happened to the German expellees is beyond compare. I believe that it is these actions, plus other bestial behaviours by the allies and their communist friends, that makes the endless propounding of the holohoax so compelling, so that the perpetrators of the crimes against Germany have something to hide behind by claiming “Those Nazis were worse than us”.
‘…German casualties were indeed proportionate to the French campaign, but that was also successfully over in six weeks. The Eastern Front went on, and on, and on with sudden sharp spikes in German and other Axis casualties, like the one that among others claimed Fuchs. From June 1941, where official German killed and missing estimates for the month were never below 10,000…’
Yeah — but my point is that through about August, it must have looked to most Germans like this was going to be another cakewalk.
Indeed, one point that’s often overlooked is that everyone expected the Russians to promptly collapse. We did; the British did. Indeed, it occurs to me that the British may have engaged in the Anglo-Russian invasion of Iran that September for just that reason; they didn’t want Iran to be an independent actor in a world where she was adjacent to Germany.
In any case, that Russia was expected to fall has implications. We were calmly planning on building a three hundred division army — and would have just gone building it had Russia collapsed. Stolfi, for example, assumes that Russia falls and therefore the war’s over and Germany’s won.
Notta necessarily. It would have been exactly what we at least had anticipated, and we would have proceeded with our plans. Germany would have had a sporting chance as a result — but she certainly wouldn’t have had it in the bag.
https://ia904606.us.archive.org/3/items/stalins-war-a-new-history-of-world-war-ii-by-sean-mc-meekin-z-lib.org_202112/Stalins%20War%20A%20New%20History%20of%20World%20War%20II%20by%20Sean%20McMeekin%20%28z-lib.org%29.pdf
‘I have read General Heinrici’s letters to his wife and in 1941 he sort of alternates between confidence and apprehension…’
Are you referring to this book?
I’ve been thinking of getting it; how is it?
One of the schticks of conventional historiography is that the Germans couldn’t have just plunged on to Moscow because of logistics, etc.
…But the Germans themselves don’t seem to have perceived any insurmountable problem: so far I’ve read Bock, Halder, Guderian, and Hoth on this point. Happy to add Heinrici if he has much to say about it or is otherwise worth getting.
It has multiple purposes, the deflection from the mass murder of millions of innocent Christian Russians as a result of the (((Bolshevik Revolution))) is key among them.
‘…Paul Otto and his wife preferred death in Berlin to that. What had they heard about their likely fate if they were “evacuated”?’
It could have been just generalized shame, terror, and fear of the unknown — the same forces that make businessmen who’ve gone bankrupt kill themselves. Paul Otto had been ‘found out’ and he was going to lose everything and be sent off (almost literally) into the wilderness, so…end it all.
I say this because Ruband and Johnson (What We Knew) have convincingly demonstrated that most Germans had no precise idea of what was going on. There was a vague idea it wasn’t good — and of course while the ‘ Nazi terror state’ thing is wildly overblown, I imagine people had gathered that muckraking and whistle-blowing wouldn’t meet with approval.
In my post you responded to, I outlined what I had read about operation Barbarossa: that the German high command was aware of the issues they were facing, but decided that postponing the inevitable would only strengthen the USSR.
Do you argue that the Germans were not aware of the population of the USSR? Or how inconsiderate the communists were of the lives of their own citizens? Why would the USSR treat its soldiers any better?
It was J. Stalin himself who stated in a speech that without the material assistance from the USA, millions upon millions of tons of food, fuel, and other war material, the USSR would have lost the war.
Well thanks for hanging in there with me. We debated some interesting facts, without ad hominem character attacks on each. And thanks for the civility. It is too bad that Carolyn gums up the debate with her personal issues. She is a narcissist and makes it all about herself, and her diminished status in the revisionist world. I also learned somethings oddly enough from Carolyn. I have been forced to research Auschwitz which is something I have never done. When I think of a camp, I think of summer camp with bunks surrounding a main administrative building. Not the case with Auschwitz, which was a small city, with many different camps. It did have a pool and people walking around normally reading mail and picking up packages. There were 2 family camps that had normal living conditions, where children did go to school and like Carolyn says eat ice cream. Auschwitz was also a place where the systematic murder of Jews was going on. The fact that all of this was happening simultaneously was hard for me to realize.
Our exchanges and discussions of documentation describing in detail the ghettoization and transportation of 437,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz documented by SS officers Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter, to go along with the data was also interesting. Where we part ways is what happened int the crematorium. You insist they received showers and needing up somewheres else? I insist that they were gassed and cremated. That it is far from view and unknowns to the victims who just marched right in there thinking they were going to receive showers is precisely the way the German high command designed it. Flawlessly. The Germans viewed gassing as a means of murder a bloodless humane way to extinguish a life. Together with the cremation people went literally poof! There one minute gone the next. They just disappeared.
I am also confident on the cremation of the corpses in the specially designed Topf ovens with the corresponding documentation found on body disposal, refuting Mattogno http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html. They were not so much cremating bodies as incinerating them in a supper hot oven. A long way from a the denier case of Fred Leuchter claiming that there could only be 35 cremations a day by Leche the cremation expert he brought into testify at the Ernst Zundel trial.
Gemar Rudolf’s Prussian blue science at the heart of Holocaust denial’s claim that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, has never made it to any scientific peer review, which is the start of ideas being scientifically proven as facts. In has been turned down twice. 9/11 truther theories have made peer review. The scientific community thought Rudolf had not done more testing on more samples.
I am not a scientist but Rudolf illegal took substances from Auschwitz, we really do not know how viable his sample was. He just cut some off the building. The delousing chamber is made of brick and mortar and way more cyanide was used in the delousing procedure then in the gas chambers. The gas chambers were made of plaster and were continually washed and white washed with paint.
In addition the gas chambers were in ruin and exposed to the weather for 40 years. The delousing chambers were inside of a protected building.
I do not see how you can deny that gassing took place for murdering humans at Auschwitz based on Gemar Rudolf’s Prussian blue science. I think somewhere deep down you know that to be true, that people were murdered in gas chambers and cremated in ovens when they arrived in Auschwitz, first thing.
And remember the pre requisite for Holocaust denial is hatred of the Jews, Judaism and the Jewish race. Hatred so virulent that you would do anything including making up pseudoscience to convince people that it was all the Jews fault. All of it, the war, the Holocaust and the cataclysmic ending and loss of life for the German people
Shout out to Ron Unz.
Please give Carolyn Yeager a place on the Unz review list of writers, so she can write and post articles. You have all men and no women, expect for the psycho Jihadist Taxi. Larry Romanoff, Jung Fend, and that Chinese guy with the english sounding name, oh yeah. Godfrey Robertsl (total fake) are paid shills for the CCP. Fraudsters. Carolyn Yeager is a bonafide Holocaust Revisionist scholar. The guy writing the Anne Frank book on this thread, Ikuo Suzuki, is a fake!!! Fake!! Fake!!. Tom Dalton probably wrote the Anne Frank book.
Are you a misogynist Ron? Seriously you do not have one woman author in your portfolio of writers.
By the way.
That image appearing was the result of simply copying and pasting the Amazon address as it appeared in the address bar.
‘…My response: This argument works to illustrate the bias that exists in our mainstream media and educational system.’
I certainly don’t deny the reality of that bias. Where we part ways is over the physical, concrete reality of the Holocaust. I think it happened; you don’t.
‘Shout out to Ron Unz.
‘Please give Carolyn Yeager a place on the Unz review list of writers, so she can write and post articles…’
I, for one, am suspicious of your motives here.
Well, thank you Fran. That’s very nice of you. And big of you for admitting that you “never researched Auschwitz” in all these years you’ve been putting out your opinions! That is pretty much the story of all “Holocaust” believers, isn’t it? Maybe you could encourage Colin Wright to do the same.
Now maybe you wrote this part about me in the hopes I would replace John as your debate partner on these issues. I will not be able to do that, as I don’t want to develop burn-out as John did. Although he may have gathered enough material from it to write several articles, and so wants to go to work on those. We’ll see. He might be back. Should we take wagers?
BTW, the ice cream wasn’t served to the children in the family camps, but only to the children who lived together in barracks.
More amusing rubbish from Franny.
“…The Germans viewed gassing as a means of murder a bloodless humane way to extinguish a life…”
Hmmm, according to you Jews and the mass media everywhere, the Germans were the most cruel, blood thirsty, inhumane, bestial (I’m running out of adjectives here) people to ever plague God’s green earth.
Now, to suit your sick narrative of gassings and cremation, they are humane which, indeed, they were. But not because of your sick mind games.
The same documents you keep referring to show unequivocally that the Germans went to great lengths to stop the high mortality rates caused by typhoid. That’s what the hair cutting, showering, delousing gas chambers, etc. were all about. Lice were/are a major vector for spreading this disease.
That plus the quick cremation of the still highly infectious corpses, all to stop this disease.
But your sick Jewish brains must twist all these health affirming measures into evil operations. Must be caused by the Jewish genes in you that give rise to the Transfer and Projection phenomenon, so common among Jews. Everything is someone else’s fault…
“…the pre requisite for Holocaust denial is hatred of the Jews…”
Another typically Jewish mantra with no basis in fact. I can make a compelling argument that, due to my love of Jews, I want to absolutely PROVE or DISPROVE that this bit of folklore about the sudden death of so many holy Jews, was true.
Would it not be wonderful if, in fact, that bit of folklore was a massive exaggeration, one that Jews are wont to, as ruled by the Israeli Supreme Court. Like that charming party game “Telephone”.
And after lengthy investigation it was found that no such mass dying occurred!
Great festivals and celebration everywhere, except among the Jews. They just NEED to be perpetual victims for their very raison d’etre.
The Jews are the only people who seem to hate meeting a long lost relative, since this would be another nail in the coffin of the holocost.
Fact is, I and most others probably, don’t give a rat’s ass about Jews.
But I greatly care about the TRUTH, because the constant lies we are told negatively influence national policies to the detriment of all life on this beautiful planet. Beautiful at least from my window where I sit and type this.
Sounds like you suffer from the disease: “My mind is made up don’t confuse me with facts…”
Or, put another way: “A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”
It is a woman thing. I am supporting a woman who has been bullied by a bunch of inferior dim witted men. Similar to the way you used to bully me years ago when you were hanging out with the Muslims, who once said that, I did not write my own posts, that my wringing was based on a consortium of Sayanim experts. I am assuming they thought that my writing was too good for one woman to write. Carolyn is scholarly and has a lot of interesting things to say, and is being ignored, although in fairness Holocaust denial is dying since web sites like:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
and other scholars who have gathered together to just turn the denial movement into mush. It officially ended with the Irving trial. I mean he was a really smart man, and he just walked into a buzz saw.
I also think that Ron supports some real dirt bags, like the CCCP bought and paid for propagandist, whatever the Chinese word for Hasbara is. LOL . At least Carolyn is an American and probably anti communist. It personally bothers me that Ron supports the CCP. Pepe Escabar is legit as someone on the outside being anti American from a ME point of view. I get that. But these other writers are trash. Carolyn is certainly better than them, and Ron does not have any women on his site, and it sort of bugs me. So I do not know why you are suspicious of my motives.
John, from my readings I believe that there are very few actions that are universally condemned as criminal.
One that is quite universal is Incest, I think.
Fellating an infant may be another one.
Murder?
Perhaps. It depends how murder is defined. In Canada one gets charged with murder if a threatening intruder is killed by the legal occupant.
Eskimos would set their aging parents on ice floes to the trip beyond.
Other native north Americans left their aging parents behind with some food and blankets while awaiting their trip to the great hunting grounds.
I also read that theft was not a big deal with the natives, the logic being that if you cannot hang on to it, you have no claim to it.
Our very own Franny called the removal of Prussian Blue coloured masonry “illegal”, and Polish law probably makes it so. But, is it illegal in the cause of finding the truth?
Occupation of real estate among the natives is another case. If you actively occupied it, it was yours. If you leave it, anyone can live there.
A huge issue are the Jews in Israel, who insist that land was given to them by God. To which I reply: “Show me the deed to your land in God’s hand writing”, and “where is the survey of your land?” Just another case of Might makes Right, but justice it isn’t.
Sin is defined by the Ten Commandments, and I have no difficulty with this. However, I understand that the command “Thou shalt not kill” originally read “Thou shalt not murder”. Who defines murder???
The state kills all the time; it’s own citizens and those of other countries. And the state enforces the “Thou shalt not kill” laws. This is an instance of where “Might makes Right”. But it isn’t justice.
I termed this “The state brooks no competition when it comes to killing”.
The remaining two, “coloquially 2) something regretable or deplorable”, are much too nebulous to define a crime. This definition leads to a great amount of arbitrariness, a great net that is used to incarcerate anyone who steps on the toes of the prominent or connected.
A difficult decision indeed.
‘…And remember the pre requisite for Holocaust denial is hatred of the Jews, Judaism and the Jewish race. Hatred so virulent that you would do anything including making up pseudoscience to convince people that it was all the Jews fault. All of it, the war, the Holocaust and the cataclysmic ending and loss of life for the German people.’
I have two, entirely separate, reactions to that.
First , why would anyone who had a truly pathological hatred of Jews object to the reality of the Holocaust? Wouldn’t they applaud it, say it was a good thing? That was the reaction I first had when I became aware of Holocaust denial as a real phenomenon. If you hate Jews so much, what’s the problem?
…motives vary with the individual, but I think that in at least some cases, it’s more a matter of admiring the Germans and the Nazis — at least to the extent of applauding their performance in World War Two. Just as the star football player couldn’t possibly be a rapist, so the brave Germans couldn’t have cold-bloodedly murdered helpless women and children by the million.
…nothing to do with hatred of Jews at all. In fact, I knew at least one Holocaust denier who was also a ferocious partisan of Israel.
Second, the notion of Jewish culpability is indeed fraught. On the one hand, the Jews certainly didn’t ‘deserve’ mass extermination. On the other hand, they were hardly snowy innocents, and a good deal of the Holocaust — in particular, the outbreaks of lynching in Eastern Poland, the Baltic States, and elsewhere — was a direct result of the prominent role of Jews in the horrors of Bolshevism.
One could compare it to 9/11 and Islam. Should we have killed all Muslims in response to 9/11? Of course not. At the same time, to deny any connection between Islam, 9/11, and our subsequent actions and hostility is sheer foolishness.
I am stepping back as well. My work is really suffering. So I am hoping to wrap this thread up today. Along with the ice cream and swimming pool, there was mass murder going on in the crematoriums. Jews and others were gassed and cremated up arrival at Auschwitz after the selection process.
You know it and ever denier knows it. H denial has come full circle with the amount of research to solidly refute deniers, and plainly show that the Holocaust, gassing, and cremation of the Jews in a systematic designed fashion by the Germans.
When are you going to stand down and admit it. Many deniers already have. You have been defeated.
Quick query… IF a) substantially less than 6 million were killed and b) none were killed by gassing and c) no official order came down from the highest levels to liquidate a group of people, would you still maintain that “it happened”?
‘A huge issue are the Jews in Israel, who insist that land was given to them by God. To which I reply: “Show me the deed to your land in God’s hand writing”, and “where is the survey of your land?” Just another case of Might makes Right, but justice it isn’t.’
Theologically, the actual problem here is that all the Abrahamic religions see their adherents as the Chosen People, that is to say, the Jews, to whom the Holy Land was promised. See the Crusades, for example: an attitude that persisted right down to Allenby when he entered Jerusalem at the end of 1917. As to the Muslims, sometimes Zionists quote the Quran out of context and say, ‘see? Even it says Palestine is ours!’
The problem is that while the Quran does say God gave the Holy Land to the ‘children of Abraham’ or some such thing, it also defines Muslims as the true children of Abraham.
…so they should each rule it — and the others shouldn’t. In the face of that, I say leave it in the hands of the Palestinians, who at least are descended from the actual inhabitants, be they Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Samaritan, or heathen.
No because if you listen to H deniers, they tie the Holocaust into a Zionist conspiracy theory. The Jews/Zionist have perpetrated a myth and have suckered the world to believe the lie of the Holocaust because of
A. Garner sympathy world wide as perpetual victims, giving the Jews a false sense of power, based on fake horrors that they went thru. and
B. The Zionist and Jews fabricated this myth to make the virtuous NS Germans look bad, they used it to defeat the Germans. In this scenario the Jews started the war, perpetuated the war, and fabricated the Holocaust to make Hitler look bad. The National Socialist and their leader Hitler are an honorable group of Germans dedicated to an innocent idea of racial superiority, and would not have fired on anyone if they had not fired on them.
In other words. The Germans are the victims and the Jews are the perpetrators. Also included in this dynamite package, is a warning to the world that they are preparing for the same takeover and shenanigans that they are suppose to have done in Weimar Germany. See Geo’s and other WN conspiracy theory that the Jews are going to take over the world and enslave everyone else.
It is not about Holocaust denial it is about stirring up Jew hatred in the hopes of finishing what Hitler started.
Here from Gemar Rudolf. That why they are always trying to convert you to their side (of H denial as a religion) because you basically do not like Jews and believe pretty much what they believe which is that the entirety of the worlds problems are caused by the Jews. You are an easy target for their conversion. That is why Carolyn had such a flattering crush on you for a while, until you turned her down.
‘Sounds like you suffer from the disease: “My mind is made up don’t confuse me with facts…”…’
I looked for your explanation of where the Jews of Corfu went.
Couldn’t find it.
“…Couldn’t find it…”
It appears that the odd posting of mine has disappeared.
I wrote that the Jews of Corfu may have travelled to one of the 60 countries in which survivors of the big H were interviewed for the movie Schindler’s List.
No Fran, I don’t know it. I don’t know it.
Never. Because I don’t know it.
Carolyn, I’ve begun reading “Stalin’s War” and have reached page 102 out of 1306 pages.
Methinks the author is trying to show how the USSR planned for world domination, and how the USA was dragged into this by stupidity, neglect, and making a buck. Mind you, the 1930 were very trying times for the USA and businesses went for business wherever it was, including the USSR.
He also shows how the USA government of Roosevelt cheated the US public of about 600 million Dollars, owed by the USSR to these investors, by letting the USSR negotiators negotiate it away! BTW, the author estimates that the 600 million is equivalent to 60 Billion Dollars today.
Be that as it may.
The author describes the sneaky means by which the USSR dragged France and the USA into treating Germany as an enemy. There is no development as to why Germany did what it did, simply the enemy.
The author also equates the actions of the National Socialists with those of the communists in Germany, and talks of the “brutal” suppression of the communists, while also illustrating the acts of the communists.
The book may be a fair expose of the communist infiltration of the Roosevelt administration in the USA, and if you ignore the authors off-hand demonizing of Germany, it may be a reasonable read.
I shall dig out the chapter on Barbarossa and read it.
Much of what is written in Stalin’s War I have gathered from other sources already.
I saw your post. It didn’t disappear. Maybe Colin expected something different and didn’t even recognize it.
‘…I wrote that the Jews of Corfu may have travelled to one of the 60 countries in which survivors of the big H were interviewed for the movie Schindler’s List.’
Did they? Can you offer any evidence in support of that at all?
My point is that while I admittedly refuse to take Holocaust Denial seriously, are you much better?
Do you actually consider the whole spectrum of evidence, or do you — in violation of all known principles of empirical historiography — simply seize on whatever stray bits support your preferred thesis while disregarding anything that doesn’t?
‘…Quick query… IF a) substantially less than 6 million were killed and b) none were killed by gassing and c) no official order came down from the highest levels to liquidate a group of people, would you still maintain that “it happened”?’
Close – but no. Spontaneous killings without centralized direction would not be what is meant by ‘the Holocaust’ — even if large numbers of Jews were killed.
Thanks very much! It was his treatment of Germany that was found wanting by this reviewer, who therefore didn’t see it as an even-handed treatment of that particular history. From your description, I’d agree with him. He did say McMeekin revealed a lot of shenanigans of the Roosevelt Administration and was very good in that respect. Much appreciated!
Yes.
By and large, although there are individual variations, Holocaust deniers seem to me to view the Jews the way the Nazis did – as a monolithic bloc of societal destroyers. Which begs the question of why they would object to them being killed on a mass scale.
The state of mind of at least some seems to be that there was no Holocaust but there should have been.
It is pretty good. Informative certainly. Heinrici is somewhat neglected in historiography – he lacked the flamboyance of Manstein.
Yes you do know Carolyn, you all know. John knows. It has made you crazy, not knowing what do what to say. It is over, and the faster you are rid of it, the better off you will be. You need to carve out a new forum for yourself. Write about something else. Irving knows it dead, Mark Weber knows it is dead. I know, I know H denial looked oh so close and promising. You could smell it, feel it that H denial had real legs, and for a while it did. We were on our heels. But the big boys went to work and shot you all to smithereens. Every major historian went working on this. H denial could not stand, will not stand.
You can not let irrational people who cannot deal with reality take over. It happened Carolyn. Look at the Auschwitz Album. All those Jews went up in smoke. They did not go to reside somewhere else. Just look at those faces, the humiliation. Karma is a bitch. Come join the living Carolyn and stop living amongst the dead, a dead empire.
Perhaps. My research on Paul Otto does not make it clear whether he even realised he had Jewish ancestry – sometimes people had unpleasant surprises when they received an Ahnennachweis. One postwar cartoon depicted a family in which the Hitler Youth son and the German Girls’ League daughter look accusingly at their crestfallen father, with the Ahnennachweis open on the kitchen table. The daughter says, “But you told us Mother was Catholic!”
Otto had become an official at the Reich Culture Chamber with special responsibility for theatre the previous year, so he was of some significance in Third Reich cultural life. But when he was found to be of Jewish origin it came crashing down and he committed suicide with his wife. Had his Jewish ancestry not been discovered, it is possible he would have had problems with De-Nazification courts postwar as he had made a rather good career in the Third Reich. On the other hand he may have been high-up enough to be better informed than most about places like Auschwitz and was very opposed to going there.
I watched the 1937 film Unternehmen Michael in which Otto is a supporting actor, playing a staff officer. The film was on Youtube – I do not know if it is still there. It is set in WW1 and is a hymn to German nationalism. Other actors in it had varied fates – Heinrich George died in Soviet detention after the war, apparently of starvation. Another actor in it, Hannes Stelzer was killed in action in 1944 in Hungary while serving as a Luftwaffe pilot.
Corfu is a nice place, and Gerald Durrell in My Family And Other Animals presents the island as almost idyllic, although the book is fictionalised. Durrell lived on the island for several years in the 1930s. It was one of my English class textbooks at school. I don’t recall him mentioning the island’s Jews at all and an English boy may not have been able to distinguish them from the Greeks, although at one point he mentions Albanians crossing over to Corfu, presumably for trading purposes. Perhaps the book’s rather sunny tone would have been spoiled by such considerations.
If I recall rightly you had me down as a total “Pole” earlier, and hence naturally lacking in any insight into Germany and Austria, although I have spent more time in both than I ever have in Poland.
Nazis having the odd bout of sentimentality was not unknown. When a young Jewish girl survived a massacre by his police troops in Poland, suffering only a slight head wound, the police battalion commander Trapp said to her, “You shall remain alive.” Whether she actually did is not recorded. Perhaps people were given treats as a small gesture just before death. Like the condemned man’s last meal. People on the way to Tyburn to be hanged were typically given some brandy. Even the Israelis allowed Eichmann to have a bottle of Israeli Riesling wine, though he refused a last meal. When he was hanged his urine dripped onto the floor under the gallows. Loss of bladder and bowel control being frequent in hangings.
But on that cheerful note I am done with you, as you are clearly a fool.
One follow up: what is the tangible evidence you rely on that suggests there was “centralized direction”?
Franny flapping her gums again. Hmmm, aren’t they getting tired?
Repeating the same old, same old, ad infinitum, does not make it true.
Get it through your big Jewish head: There were no homicidal gas chambers in any concentration camp.
There is none!
This was proved during the Zuendel trials.
The curator of the Bad Arolsen NSDAP archives confirmed this, also. Apparently this question regarding documentation for the holicost so exasperated this worthy, that he was forced to admit that no such documentation existed in the archives.
Why do you think our very own Franny in this thread is so bent out of shape? She cannot produce one single solitary authenticated document that would support her stance.
Judging by her shrill and continuous caterwauling, she subscribes to the mantra of the German Mind Meld, a phrase borrowed form Mr Spock of Startrek fame. This is purloined and paraphrased from the French Bible of the holicost, which had to be revised to accommodate the results of the Zuendel trials.
Only fools with no experience in the real world believe that a project the size of the alleged holicost could be achieved without written plans, budgets, engineering notes and drawings, endless meetings, etc.
Been there and done that.
It’s in the Talmud right after the Amalek part.
That’s entirely believable; most Poles prefer to live outside of crummy, dumpy, low-achieving Poland if they can. And they do! They’re all over Europe, their favorite place being Britain. I’ve been saying for a long time that Poles are second to Jews in all the faults Jews are famous for. I’m convinced you are a Jew, a Jew who hails from Poland.
[Really want to add that one of the best people I’ve ever known is 1/2 Polish and 1/2 German, and has lived outside Poland since he came of age. He must be in his 60s now. He was raised by his Polish (mother’s) side. He always knew his father and, fortunately for him, his German side won out. He’s lived a productive life and been a great friend to me.]
You’re not fooling anyone, Wielgus. Your attempt to appear as a highly knowledgeable, widely read ‘man of the world’ is shattered as soon as your conclusions are expressed. Here, you tell a lame story (storytelling is a Jewish specialty) that doesn’t persuade anyone of “German guilt” or bad national characteristics. And end with “Loss of bladder and bowel control being frequent in hangings.” Another Jewish specialty – focusing on human waste products.
Done with what? There was never anything between us. What you’re saying is: I must stay away from you bc you hurt me more than I hurt you,. It’s true and the reason is because you have only lies but I can tell the truth. Truth is easier.
This reasoning goes nowhere. The answer to “why” is obvious. They object for the simple reason that IT WAS NOT DONE. They object to a lie about “mass killing,” no matter what the means were – by any means! So all your ‘commenting’ around that lie amounts to nothing. It’s purely “tactics” for advancing your lie.
The German full name is Anneliese, which is a contraction of Anne and Liese.
The last name is German short form for Elisabeth.
I apologize in advance for my “schoolteacherish” ways, but … Ernst Zundel himself dropped the umlaut in his name and began, quite some time ago, spelling his name Zundel. In effect, he Canadianized his German name. The name seems to me stronger, and more recognizable, without the “e” so I’m glad to follow him. Consider dropping the “e” yourself.
I thought you said you never read the Talmud, Queen Esther?
‘One follow up: what is the tangible evidence you rely on that suggests there was “centralized direction”?’
Oh, purpose-built camps, deportation of entire populations, military units devoted to killing, organized collection and reuse of clothing, etc.
Sorta like, say, the war in general. Yeah, there was centralized direction.
‘Holocaust deniers seem to me to view the Jews the way the Nazis did – as a monolithic bloc of societal destroyers.’
One could actually survey the population here — this thread alone has accumulated a population.
To what extent do the two groups overlap? They don’t do so completely; I for one find myself coming unpleasantly close to the ‘Jews as monolithic societal destroyers’ — I’ve started seeing in their culture and behavior tendencies leading to them having that effect. On the other hand, while I’m open to revisionist historical theories in general, I’ve never found much convincing in Holocaust denial and doubt I ever will.
In general, there do seem to be several people who hang out here who are vehement in their conviction that Jews are an organized body consciously and truly trying to enslave and destroy us — but don’t seem to care much about whether the Holocaust happened or not. Conversely, there are others who are very strident about the Holocaust but don’t seem to care much about what Jews are or aren’t doing in the present day.Carolyn Yeager, for example, is — to put it mildly — a partisan of Holocaust denial, but her views on modern Jews weren’t discernibly more extreme than mine: different, but not more extreme.
Another aspect of the question would be to look at to what extent do Holocaust deniers deny German crimes under Nazi rule in general, as opposed to what they assert about the Holocaust. John Wear and Ms Yeager, for example, parted company over this distinction; John insisted the T-4 euthanasia program was real and a crime, while Carolyn either asserted that it didn’t happen or that it was just fine — I forget which.
The extermination of Soviet POW’s, the expulsions of Poles, the enslavement and inhumane treatment of Eastern European populations in general, gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovahs Witnesses — do people agree these happened? For that matter, what did happen? We’ve more or less involuntarily been given a very detailed and even excessively ornamented picture of what happened to the Jews, but to this day, for example, I’ve yet to find a comprehensive and reasonably dispassionate account of what gentile Poles underwent.
Really, for my part, I wish Holocaust Denial would go away. It’s not worth taking seriously, and it’s distracting. If anything, it only adds to the historiographical problem that too much attention is paid to the Jews and not enough to everyone else. For example, events in Galicia seem to have been pretty dramatic, and even are relevant to the present day, but could I coherently and accurately describe what occurred?
No — but I probably could write a reasonable rough draft of a history of the destruction of Europe’s Jews. It’s kinda like the New Testament. One winds up knowing what’s in it without ever being able to recall actually reading it.
But the question from geokat was specifically “centralized direction of non-war related killing on a mass scale.” That’s the Holocaust. You would have to write a book or a paper demonstrating how :
“purpose-built camps, deportation of entire populations, military units devoted to killing Jews, organized collection and reuse of clothing”
… can be evidence of “centralized direction” of a Genocide of 5 million Jews using industrial scale methods of killing and disposing of bodies. Just mentioning those things doesn’t cut it.
H deniers would like to kill every last Jew. They never come out and say it, but the way they talk about Judaism and Jews, its like well what conclusion could you possibly come to other than somehow, someway getting rid of them. It is implied. These deniers are just seething that Hitler didn’t finish what he started.
A split personality, when you mention what you just said, like if they are the worst people the world has ever seen and you say well sounds like you support genocide of the Jews, they come back and say, “Heavens the NS never laid a hand on the Jews, even though they deserved it and worse”. And then blame the Jews for the entire spectacle. You gotta wonder if these people are stable. I mean they are so consumed with confusion and trying to prove whaat they would like to happen but did not happen. Well you got some fucked up people. Which is why the entire movement is coming to a close. The Irving trial was the expose of H denial. Beginning, middle and end.
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I decided to consider how reasonable the basic Holocaust denial position is: that claims that the Germans methodically exterminated the Jews they deported are fallacious in spite of the fact that all the populations concerned seem to have either been radically reduced in number (Polish, Hungarian, Eastern European Jews), or to have vanished virtually entirely (The Jews of Corfu, for example).
Well, here’s a population that was deported — in 1944, no less — and while treated very brutally, not actually exterminated. That is to say, it was subjected to the sort of handling the more reasonable Holocaust Deniers would agree the Jews underwent.
I’m referring to the Crimean Tatars. They numbered 240,000 when Stalin deported them all to Central Asia in 1944, often to slave labor. They were very brutally treated: half of them supposedly died. Finally, they weren’t allowed to freely return for nearly fifty years; it wasn’t until the early nineties that all restrictions were lifted.
How many are in the Crimea now? 250,000 — just slightly more than left in 1944. Compare and contrast to the apparent number of surviving Jews from Corfu, or Poland, or Lithuania, or….
It really is obvious. Whatever the inconsistencies, and whatever the tall tales related by purported survivors, the Holocaust happened. Only that explains where all the Jews went. Else there would be a hell of a lot more in Corfu, and Poland, and Lithuania, and…
I’m surprised HdC didn’t answer this. Maybe he didn’t see it.
I will say that this sounds like you, Colin. You never offer anything like full evidence, only “stray bits” of this and that that usually don’t even support your preferred thesis. They are just speculative, stray thoughts. Talk about projection … !
Yet you admit you’ve never read a “denier”-revisionist book on the subject bc “you can’t spare the time.” Since 1970, you haven’t been able to spare the time? Who believes that? You’re afraid to! So you can’t say whether it would be convincing or not, can you? Are you man enough to answer that question?
You are unfamiliar with my website carolynyeager.net that’s been online since 2010, and my podcasts, so you CANNOT SAY what are my views on modern Jews. Certainly, your views are not “extreme” in the least. On what are you judging my views? Like with everything, it’s just a stray thought flitting through your head that seems to suit the present moment.
Well, there you go. It was only 2 days ago and you’ve already forgotten. So much for what your opinions are worth.
That’s because they didn’t go through anything that they didn’t cause and/or bring on themselves. Since that’s politically unacceptable to say, most don’t say much of anything. But give me a day and I’ll recommend some “comprehensive” sources of info for you. But will you have time to read them?
Are you doing anything to help it go away? No. You deny it has any legs, without producing evidence, which only adds to the general atmosphere of “denial.”
That would be a laugh and a half. And how would you find the time? You’re too busy commenting here — you currently stand at over 14,800 and still going strong!
Carolyn, I never object being corrected by someone that knows what they are talking about.
I shall heed your advice and leave the “e” out of Ernst’s surname.
Thanks for pointing this out, as I was of the belief that it was just laziness of the news reporters.
Totally unscholarly. And worse. But I’m out of time for you. Except I can refer you to https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graves. Read all the part in italic at the beginning. This answers comment #1227 also.
Are you going to reply to my #1223 or just pretend that it doesn’t exist?
Sometimes the names are changed slightly for some reason I don’t know.
I had a cousin (now deceased) we all called Liesel. Her given name was Elisabeth. Note that Germans spell the name with an “s”.
Others are called Liese, without the “l”.
Perhaps it’s a local thing.
Unless you can prove with authenticated forensic evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed and were used for that effect, the whole holicost claim falls flat, ie. it did not exist.
For the umpteenth time, this was forcefully proved during the Zundel trials in Toronto.
I already stated this in my post #1214 above.
For the rest of the stuff you mentioned, those items were part of the regular infrastructure required for the movement of personnel and prisoners.
The allegations of “military units for killing Jews” is another fable from a sick mind. The Einsatz Gruppen were to protect the German troops against partisan, ie, illegal armed civilian, attacks. I read that many of these were Jewish and this got caught in the action and were rightfully executed as per the Geneva Accord.
I just noticed that this reply is addressed to you Carolyn; sorry about that. It is meant in response to Colin’s post #1226 that you addressed.
Yes, that is the response we’d all like to see from Colin. Let’s hope he musters a satisfactory response to it.
Ok so this is the post I failed to see. Sorry about that.
Colin, lets clarify positions; for the purposes of this debate:
You represent the accuser, ie. people who advocate the holocaust. Even if that is not your reality, for purposes of this argument you need to accept this.
I represent the defendant, ie. people who believe and argue that the whole holicost business is a colossal lie to support a gigantic fraud, invented by the allies and others, for the allies to hide the real holocausts of their creation. And, of course, continuous blackmail.
Examples of allied crimes against humanity:
Fire bombing of Hamburg and Dresden plus numerous other bombings of civilians.
Expelling 15 million or so German Nationals from their ancestral homes, with upward of 2 million dead.
The murder of German soldiers in the allied Rhine Meadows Camps.
Further, for this debate let’s agree that this case is in a USA or Canadian court.
Will you agree to these stipulations? If so, please let me know and I’ll post my argument.
Without your concurrence it is pointless to proceed. Thanks.
‘…Will you agree to these stipulations? If so, please let me know and I’ll post my argument.
Without your concurrence it is pointless to proceed. Thanks.’
You pretty much fell on your face out of the starting gate.
Of what conceivable relevance are crimes committed by the Russians, Americans, or British if the question is whether the Germans in fact carried out the Holocaust? Are we discussing whether it happened, or whether it was justified?
‘…Unless you can prove with authenticated forensic evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed and were used for that effect, the whole holicost claim falls flat, ie. it did not exist.’
! That’s how we know the First Crusade didn’t happen. Clearly, heavenly knights didn’t charge from the clouds when the Crusaders defeated the Turks outside Antioch, therefore…
The gas chambers could be a complete — if somewhat inexplicable — fraud. It’s still perfectly possible — indeed, certain — that the Germans killed several million Jews.
Why would gas chambers be a prerequisite? Genghis Khan got along without them. It’s amazing what you can do with even simple hand tools — to say nothing of deliberate starvation, automatic weapons, rifle butts, etc.
Imagine what the repercussions will be when the normal get a whiff of this info, Frannie?
Excerpt from American Pravda: Putin as Hitler?:
Excerpt from American Pravda: How Hitler Saved the Allies:
A big LOL. You are dreaming, geo. You see what he did in a previous comment; he detoured into total fantasyland, comparing the murder of 6 million humans in two years time, whose bodies cannot be found, to Ghengis Khan‘s long campaign across Asia & Europe. He says the massive killing could have been done with rifle butts (or beating to death with shovels?), like the Poles were known to do. Then, apparently, others came along and carted these bodies off to a crematorium to turn them into ash so they could “disappear.”
Why not?
Further details are not necessary.
If you were to look up the generally accepted definition of “Holocaust”, you’d know that it includes homicidal gas chambers and 6 million Jews.
You are obviously unable to carry on a debate. So be it.
Tschuess.
‘If you were to look up the generally accepted definition of “Holocaust”, you’d know that it includes homicidal gas chambers and 6 million Jews.
You are obviously unable to carry on a debate…’
Guess not.
His most recent comment (#1239) confirms you’re right.
The post you refer to was in reply to your #1202 post above, nothing else.
My reply contains 3 salient points: The accuser, the defendant, the rules for discussion. The infill was merely intended as illustration for the two positions.
The discussion was to revolve around the Jews of Corfu and what may have happened to them.
But once you strayed from the definition of holocaust and threw in truly extraneous mishmash, I no longer wish to debate.
Ciao.
‘…My response: Carlo Mattogno has prepared a long list of children and twins at Auschwitz-Birkenau who survived the camp. Mattogno’s research is found on pages 391-407 of his book “An Auschwitz Doctor’s Eyewitness Account: The Best Selling Tall Tales of Dr. Mengele’s Assistant Analyzed.”…’
On the other hand…
Look at the dates of arrival at Auschwitz for the children on that list. They’re given on table one.
Of all the children found alive in the camp, only five had arrived before 1944. That implies one of three possibilities: either (a) very few children arrived at Auschwitz before 1944, (b) all the children who did arrive earlier were moved at some point (but later arrivals were left), or (c) Auschwitz was a singularly deadly place, at least for children.
And this is right in your own source!
This is what I mean. Sure, you can convince yourself the Holocaust didn’t happen: just look at all the inconsistencies and pick holes in the tales of the fabulists. But you have to look at the whole body of the evidence, and once you do that, one conclusion becomes painfully clear.
Basically, it happened. Really.
Well, I thought I had left this discussion thread, but now I see a comment from Colin Wright directed to my attention.
Mr. Wright writes: “Of all the children found alive in the camp, only five had arrived before 1944. That implies one of three possibilities: either (a) very few children arrived at Auschwitz before 1944, (b) all the children who did arrive earlier were moved at some point (but later arrivals were left), or (c) Auschwitz was a singularly deadly place, at least for children. And this is right in your own source!”
My response: At the top of page 391 of Carlo Mattogno’s book, it states “Table 1: Name Table of Children Found by the Soviets at Birkenau.” Thus, this is not a complete list of the children who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. It is only a list of the children the Soviets found at Birkenau.
You might want to read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/2/5482 on the Jewish survivors of Auschwitz. If you go to the section “Young Jewish Survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau”, you will see the following Jewish children who survived Auschwitz-Birtkenau that are not on Mattogno’s list:
1. Thomas Burgenthal
2. Jacek Nadolny
3. Zofia Wareluk
4. Elzbieta Sobczynska
5. Henryk Duszyk
6. Danuta Bogdaniuk-Bogucka
7. Janina Reklajajtis
8. Barbara Doniecka
The survival of so many young children at Auschwitz-Birkenau is not surprising since Auschwitz-Birkenau served as a transit camp for detainees unfit for work. This is proven by a note dated July 21, 1942, concerning a telephone conversation about Auschwitz that took place the day before. SS-Hauptsturmführer Theodor Dannecker wrote:
The question of the evacuation of children was discussed with SS-Obersturmbannführer Eichmann. He decided that transports of children are to take place as soon as transports into the General Government are again possible. SS-Obersturmbannführer Nowak promised to provide about six transports to the General Government at the end of August/beginning of September, which may contain Jews of all kinds (also those unfit for work and old Jews). (Source: Mattogno, Carlo, Auschwitz: The Case for Sanity, Volume Two, Washington, D.C: The Barnes Review, 2010, p. 654).
This is how I would reply to Colin Wright’s comment, as opposed to how John Wear replies to it.
Colin gives three possibilities as to why the bulk of the children had arrived during 1944, not before. A, B and C. Without discussing the three possibilities at all, he ASSUMES ‘C’ to be the correct one. And then he (C.W.) accuses J.W. of not looking at the whole body of the evidence which he, C.W., in truth never does and even refuses to discuss if another wants to.
This is so blatantly dishonest, yet John doesn’t go after this. Instead he recommends one of his articles and lists 8 child survivors NOT on Mattogno’s list. John doesn’t explain what this is supposed to prove. He then quotes from a certain SS-Hauptsturmführer Theodor Dannecker, who said that transports of children into the Gerneralgovernment were planned. Again, it’s left to the reader to deduce the meaning of this.
To me, this is a missed opportunity and not enlightening to the average reader of this comment thread, who is left somewhat up in the air.
What stands out to me is the phrase “unfit for work” used by you [the sentence following the 8th name on your list] and also in the Dannecker quote. Unfit has a bad connotation, as it was used for the severely deformed and mentally retarded (Idiots) alleged to be “unfit for life” by Adolf Hitler himself. It is connected therefore with putting to death; euthanasia. It is a natural short leap, then, to associate “unfit for work” with putting such individuals out of existence. A much better expression would be “unsuitable for work.”
Those judged unsuitable were the over 60 and the under 15 year olds. The National Socialist and SS policy was to exclude them from labor, out of generosity, but also because they wanted a highly capable labor force. So these persons were not “unfit” in general, but only for a dependable labor force. I don’t know who came up with this term “unfit for work”; or whether it’s the only meaning it could have in the German language. But it does smack of our often too easy willingness to use the terms the Holocaust Believers & propagandists dream up, just because it makes communication with them easier. Explanations, as I am doing here, can be so cumbersome. (Don’t I know it; I hesitated to even begin this.) But I think it is an important point — the most important!
Our associations connected with words make a deeper impression on us than facts that can be disputed (whether honestly or not). One thing the NS Germans were not was psychologists. They were out-psychologized by the Left. Germans are more into being blunt and telling the truth, which hasn’t done them any favors in the Foreign Relations field, where they’re always being outsmarted or out-tricked. Germans are not the most successful politicians.
Neither you nor Carolyn are serious about debating facts, you use subterfuge and deceit and count on reeling in low IQ people like HdC (who has never read a book, never mind a history of WW2 book).
This entire thread has been about the ghettoization, transportation, and death of Jews in May to August 1944. The excerpt on page 654, is about instructions in 1941 not 1944. So as a historian you are sitting this information from Mattogno as proof that children and older people are being transported to inside the government? What does this mean? This is an “If” not a where are these children being transported to.
‘…Thus, this is not a complete list of the children who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. It is only a list of the children the Soviets found at Birkenau…’
Yes — but that hardly affects the point.
Unless the Russians were incredibly devious, their list obviously constitutes a more or less random sample. ‘These are the children we found. Here are some details: name, country of origin, age, arrival date…’
And look at the arrival dates! Overwhelmingly, only those who had arrived within the last year were still alive. The most plausible explanation for the distribution is that Auschwitz was a very, very deadly place.
It’s another straw in the wind. The mass of the data keeps pointing one way — like it or not.
It’s like you go to Haiti. You visit only people who went to college in the US, and visit only their houses. From that carefully selected sample, you conclude that Haiti is a prosperous place full of relatively well-educated, intelligent people.
Well, not really. If you would go outside and walk for about a mile in any direction…
Twice now, using the sources you have provided, I’ve turned up evidence suggesting that indeed, the Holocaust happened. Without effort; it was right there. First there were the vanishing Jews of Corfu. Now it’s the very disproportionate number of recent arrivals among the juveniles the Russians found at Auschwitz.
This entire thread has been a painstakingly documented (by me at great expense of time and research ) the ghettoization and transportation of 437,000 Hungarian Jews, from May to August of 1944 and the immediate murder of 300,000 of those Jews upon arrival. Documentation from a book. A photo album by SS officers Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter. And John Wear comes with a blurb in 1942 about shipping Jewish children and those not fit to work where? No specific transport documentation, and 8 count them 8 names of children. And you are calling Colin dishonest. Do you think your audience is HdC, and Geo?
So just answer the questions.
1. After the invasion of Hungary by the Germans of 1944, the Jews were carefully and methodically, forced to sell their property, loose their jobs, then rounded up and placed into ghettos.
Why in 1944 did the German high command as directed by Eichmann in Germany liquidate the ghettos and transport all of the Jews from Hungary (except for a few other transports) to Hungary, with the exception of the Jews in Budapest?
2. As documented by the Auschwitz Album, the Jews arrived en masse from Hungary. Thee was a selection process, Jews who were selected to be fit for work were admitted to the camp. Jews that were not fit for work, the old, the sick, small children were sent to the crematorium to take showers.
Why were the showers located in the crematoriums?
3. The Jews who went to the crematoriums never left. They were never seen again. If they were not murdered and cremated where did those Jews go? There is no record of these Jews being transported or resettled elsewhere. Where did they go? Where are the missing 300,000 Jews.
The missing Jews is a central question presented to the H deniers have no credible answers other than “somewhere”. NOT one denier has tracked a missing Jew or found a missing Jew living in another place. Wherever you go in the world there is a record of where you have been and where you are. Where are the missing children? YOU need to answer these questions with credible answers before you engage a high IQ person like Colin. Colin is a voracious reader, a student of history, all history. He is not going to engage someone like HdC or Geo who rely on tidbits and low IQ questions. People who quote the Talmud, and ask questions like “was there any centralized planning”, when there is a book posted on here called “The Holocaust of Hungry, Evolution of a Genocide” READ the fucking book, you will find all the centralized command information.
Stop asking stupid low IQ questions, and answering with “well the missing Jews must be somewhere like the 60 countries on Schindlers List.” No intelligent person is going to engage you, lest your arrogance be so misplaced.
4. With all of the extensive documentation presented about the Topf and sons redesign of the Auschwitz ovens to burn faster and more bodies as stressed by the German engineers, at no time do you see mentioned Typhus as the main reason for the need for faster burn time, and larger body disposal. Not one word. You would have thought you would have heard a Topf engineer or a German high command person say that they desperately need greater oven capacity and faster burn times because there was a Typhus epidemic. Defines credulity. This also was painfully documented on this thread over and over again. Yet all John says is Typhus. Typhus is not an adequate answer, for the oven capacity of Auschwitz. Why were the 5 crematoriums placed at the arrival platforms of the train station?
5. Besides the unbelievable documentation and photographs of the Hungarian Jewish genocide. I presented documentation of my own families survivors of the Ukrainian ghettos. An explicit documentation of the round up of 60 Jewish families from various villages that were gathered into a Ghetto. I will present this documentation again. Two of my cousins survived and were saved and hidden by Christian Poles, who were honored in my town of Baltimore. Proof that it happened. As these Christian Poles ran into the woods to find my cousins to tell them that all of their family were dead. Here is the list. So are these Jews officially dead? Are you denying that the Einsatzgruppe ? John has never responded or admitted that this event took place.
6. Are you denying that the Einsatzgruppe shot up ghettos in the east and killed millions of Jews.
The well documented liquidation of Rovno Ghetto where 21,000 Jews were shot?
Take head Caroline. You are not talking to low IQ people, with Colin and myself. Have your chats with Geo and HdC, but stop with your missplaced arrogance:
Colin gives three possibilities as to why the bulk of the children had arrived during 1944, not before. A, B and C. Without discussing the three possibilities at all, he ASSUMES ‘C’ to be the correct one. And then he (C.W.) accuses J.W. of not looking at the whole body of the evidence which he, C.W., in truth never does and even refuses to discuss if another wants to.
So Caroline and John. Where are the missing Jews from the crematorium? Where are the missing Jews from the Ukraine ghettoes that were shot by the Einsatzgruppe? Why don’t you answer some of these questions credibly. You have no answers. because there is only one answer. The Jews were murdered and cremated at the crematoriums (duh). The Jews became ashes and smoke. When you study the entirety of the history of the war from 1941 to 1945 without punching holes in tid bits, you come to irrefutable understanding that the Germans try to systematically murder all the Jews in Europe.
POOF!! disappeared.
But … but Colin, the narrative is that the selections were made on the ramp as they arrived, immediately after they departed the train. They allegedly went straight to the gas chambers, all those little children with their mothers & grandmothers. They were not even registered.
For what purpose did the camp commanders keep them for a year? For 6 months, or even 3 months? Please do John the courtesy of ‘looking at the whole body of the evidence’ before you congratulate yourself on proving that ‘Auschwitz was a very, very deadly place.’
Hmmm, I really seem to have gotten under Franny’s skin.
Now she’s using her gigantic Jewish brain to read my mind!
If she’s so capable, I trust she’s a billionaire, you know, reading minds and seeing what they will do to the stock market. Wish I had that ability.
Franny baby, your giant Jewish brain notwithstanding, why don’t you use it to do some deep thinking, and take joy in the fact that orders of magnitude fewer of your tribes folk perished.
From all the Jewish noise about the holicost, one concludes that Jews get perverse pleasure in seeing their people perish. Only a Jews hates to meet a long lost loved one, as it puts another nail into the coffin of the holicost.
But a thinker Franny is not; I must admit, though, that she has great skill in copying and pasting the same mishmash over and over again, without one ORIGINAL thought being contributed to the debate.
This used to infuriate AH, as he wrote in his great book. Fortunately I learned to expect nothing less from the likes of Franny, and derive some slight amusement from her gigantic effort to appear an intelligent contributor.
“…the vanishing Jews of Corfu…”.
I’ve already stated that they most likely landed in one of the 60 countries in which interviewers went to gather survivor testimony for the movie Swindler’s List.
Perused the foregoing, and found a substantial number of inconsistencies therein.
As they say in a court of law regarding witnesses’ testimony: “Falsehood in one, falsehood in all”.
I get the distinct impression that Franny, with her gigantic Jewish brain, neither reads nor understands the tripe she continues to copy and paste. Oh well, at least she has that skill.
‘“…the vanishing Jews of Corfu…”.
I’ve already stated that they most likely landed in one of the 60 countries in which interviewers went to gather survivor testimony for the movie Swindler’s List.’
Yes, but to date, you haven’t furnished a single example.
You can’t just say, ‘they all went away…someplace.’ If you’re going to assert they’re alive, give us some instances.
You could easily find this information for yourself. Stop bothering everyone with your laziness. Below is a 1 hour podcast on the fate of Jewish children is Auschwitz, which you should really enjoy. It corroborates much of what you say about how diverse Auschwitz was and how it changed during the years How impossible it is to find any consistency with regards to the fate of the children. There were family camps that had parents and children living together, there were schools where trades were taught to Jewish children. Listen to the podcast and it will explain the overwhelming amount of Jewish children under the age of 10 were murdered on arrival in the camp. It was inexplicably inconsistent, including the Roma family camp.
Auschwitz was a place that mass murdered and cremated Jews. People went into a crematorium for a shower and never came out. Go find those Jews and stop with your insistent BS. The other thing is you and John know the answers to your own questions, or would not attempt to change the subject to petty shit stuff like this. Eichmann decided to transport the Jewish children to where? Back to Germany?
As soon as transports to the General Government are possible? You mean they were going to ship the children back to Germany? This is just a conversation, there is no proof that these transports happened. John a full on H Revisionist sends this out as proof that the children of Auschwitz survived. And you keep asking the H people for proof.
Let me fix this for you.
For what purpose did the camp commanders keep them for a year? For 6 months, or even 3 months? Please do John the courtesy of ‘looking at the whole body of the evidence’ before you congratulate yourself on proving that ‘Auschwitz was a very, very deadly place
For what purpose did the Jews not registered in the camp go to receive showers in the crematorium but the registered ones did not? Please give Colin the courtesy of looking at the whole body go evidence ‘ before you congratulate yourself on proving that ‘Auschwitz was a very, very safe place.
Why not find why those Jews never left the crematorium. Stop bothering us with your horseshit.
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/fate-of-children/the-fate-of-the-children/
I offered to debate you, subject to a modicum guidelines to keep the discussion on the straight and narrow path. You refused.
It’s you who are bothering me; I haven’t addressed you for several days. All you do is repeat yourself, without ever hitting the mark or even getting close. You truly resemble a mad woman. Do you ever read back what you write and send?
May I remind you of your comment 1193 in which you said:
What happened to that? It seems you don’t mean anything you say. Why should anyone pay attention to it?
Why are you replying to me and not to AF? S/he’s the one who can’t seem to fathom the concept of a multilingual false cognate.
You just tap dance around here like it means something. Like you have something to say, points to make. You are a has been. All of you deniers have nothing to say and should walk away with your tail between your legs. You are finished and have been proven to be delusional liars. Auschwitz was safe? You want Colin to say Auschwitz was safe? You ask questions like you expect answers and you refuse to answer simple basic questions. As Colin says the totality of the history is answer enough. Anyone with a brain who studies WW2 will come away knowing hat the Holocaust happened, and millions of Jews were murdered for being Jewish. Most of the children sent to Auschwitz died shortly after they arrived. There is nothing more to say, because H denial is dead, except for nut job Jew hating Talmud scholars, like Geo and Al and low IQ HdC, who thinks all the dead Jews are alive, yet has never been able to prove where one dead Jew ended up residing. LOL
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/04/carolyn-yeager-two-clarifications.html
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/p/holocaust-deniers.html
Forgot one
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/search?q=carolyn+yeager
Franny’s Jewish logic at work:
“…Why not find why those Jews never left the crematorium…”.
I’ll help your thinking, or the lack thereof, a little here:
Your tribe members had died of typhoid, a disease which their brethren had brought into the camps from their “civilized” stettles. Thus they were dead already when they were cremated to stop the infestation by the contagious bodies.
The crematories disinfected the corpses and turned them into… What? If you claim ashes, you, again, don’t know what you are talking about. Cremated remains contain teeth and bone fragments; and these obviously cannot walk out of a crematory. Ash they are not at this point.
Trust that clarifies things a little. See how easy it is when simply stating the truth?
‘…As soon as transports to the General Government are possible? You mean they were going to ship the children back to Germany? This is just a conversation, there is no proof that these transports happened… ‘
‘The General Government’ was the German term for that part of Poland they hadn’t annexed to the Reich. Sending the children ‘to the General Government’ would have been a euphemism for extermination.
Those transports probably did happen.
“…low IQ HdC, who thinks all the dead Jews are alive,…”.
Here I’m doing my best to show that your beloved tribe folks were still alive after the war, by applying scientific, engineering, and logistics, principles. Unfortunately your gigantic Jewish brain is not capable of grasping that 6-3=/=6; further, that the remaining 3 million of that arithmetic are also a figment of diseased minds, which are desperate with their “math” to turn 271,000 + 80,000 into 6 million.
Additionally, you hate your own tribe folks so much that you wish that they were all dead. Otherwise, why would you copy and paste reams of mostly irrelevant verbiage to assert that they are dead?
I wonder why? Mental condition? Hereditary hate for their own?
Maybe Franny can throw some light on this?
“We will give monarchy to the Slavic [Russian] cattle [goyim] under the guise of ‘democratic transition’ [Perestroika Deception]. Everyone in the herd will get a puppet president [Putin].”
Chabad Leader, Messiah, Menachem Mendel Schneerson on His Plans to Destroy Slavs
https://justice4poland.com/2016/05/17/chabad-leader-messiah-menachem-mendel-schneerson-on-his-plans-for-destroying-ukraine-and-russia-reprint/
Our special tactics to combat Slavs is a secret knowledge, because of its exclusivity limited to the god’s chosen people. The main weapon of struggle we will direct against the Slavs, except for renegades, “married” with the Jews by common interests. True, all these “married to us” will be withdrawn from our society once we use them for our own purposes.
Slavs, and among them Russians – are the most unbending people in the world. Slavs are unbending as a result of their psychological and intellectual abilities, created by many generations of ancestors. It is impossible to alter these genes. Slav, Russian, can be destroyed, but never conquered. That is why this seed is subject to liquidation, and, at first, a sharp reduction in their numbers.
Our methods of conquest will not at all be military, but ideological and economic, with the use of power structures, armed with the most modern types of armament for the physical suppression of revolt with even greater ferocity than it was done in October 1993 with gunning of the Supreme Council of Soviet Russia.
First of all, we will divide the Slavic nations (of 300 million, half of them Russians) into the small countries with weak and severed connections. For this, we will use our old method: Divide and conquer. We will try to pit these countries against each other, and suck them into civil wars for the sake of mutual destruction.
The Ukrainians would think that they are fighting against the expansionist Russia and struggling for their independence. They will think that they have finally gained their freedom, while they become fully subdued by us.
The same will be thought by Russians, as though they defend their national interests to return their lands, “illegally” taken away from them, and so on. https://justice4poland.com/2016/05/17/chabad-leader-messiah-menachem-mendel-schneerson-on-his-plans-for-destroying-ukraine-and-russia-reprint/
Hey Fran,
I just clicked on this link. Thank you for posting it. First time I’ve seen it, but I always like to see things posted by me and/or about me from ‘back when.’ Brings back such good memories. But, as I’ve told you, the Holo Controversies bloggers put out so much misinfomation. The genealogy given by Jonathan Harrison for my ex-husband Larry Kahant is NOT HIS. His father was not born until after 1900, was not named William (but Theodore), nor was his grandfather who emigrated from Germany, probably in the 1880’s. This is the kind of scholarship you can expect from the HC bloggers.
I was glad to be reminded of my ‘Dr.’ Neander articles as they are very good and I really enjoyed writing them. They’re the 2nd and 3rd ones under “Holocaust Frauds & Quacks” under My Articles [https://carolynyeager.net/holoquacks]. I was firing on all cylinders in 2010; I think I did more work that year than in any other year in my life (maybe except for my peak year in painting). You should read them: https://carolynyeager.net/holocaust-scholar-finds-%E2%80%9Cdiamond-girl%E2%80%9D-be-work-fiction and https://carolynyeager.net/second-response-j-neander.
Still, the bloggers do a more accurate job of relating facts about me than many other evil trash-talkers on the Internet do. I found the same with the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL! They’re concerned with their reputation is why. Anonymous people, especially, are not. So, in spite of their indulgence in ‘name-calling’ and four-letter word-filled language, I’ve always thought they do me more good than harm by bringing attention to my writings & linking to them.
Yeah I am not sure. That quote came from 1941, and if you listened to the podcast about the Children of Auschwitz you will discover that rules changed from 1941 to 1944. Auschwitz camp rules regarding children. But thanks I did not know the code for ‘The General Government’ interesting. I am totally burnt out on Holocaust denial. I wish they would quietly surrender. Three things I have discovered.
1. When Butz’s book first came out in 1976, it started a huge movement that used pseudoscience and academic like research to create a sort of hysteria specifically about the gassing and cremating of Jews. It was all pseudoscience, but non the less, the validity of the German mass murder of Jews on the defensive. Other’s rushed in Rudolf, Mattagno etc. It became big. The Zundel trial had key historians put on trial, Raul Hilberg said he was not prepared to defend the validity of the Holocaust. Then the Irving trial and Historians began to take H denial seriously and mustered facts and data that beat the shit out of Irving, and in a way beat the shit out of H denial as a movement. Since then many books have come out like the one I posted on the murder of the Hungarian Jews, the website Holocaust Controversies, as well as a new book on Akon Reinhardt, the liquidation of the 1.2 million Polish Jews to be resettled out east. They were murdered and never resettled anywhere. The book is called Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka by the people on the website. It is a big book. These new books are dedicated to rebutting H denial square on with facts. And it has. H denial has had many phases and it is in the death rattle phase.
2. The transportation and murder of the Hungarian Jews in the summer months of 1944 was to me one of the most heart wrenching story of the war. The only reason the Germans transported the Jews to Auschwitz was to murder them. They prepared greater ovens, more crematoriums etc. It is gut wrenching to see the Auschwitz Album which I only recently discovered. I documented the entire story on this thread, with a lot of detail. To see Carolyn following you around trying to sneak up with a couple of tid bits to sink her teeth in, to get you to bite, and confess that it was not as bad as we say it is. It is such bullshit. Denial is a big dance around minutia. If they can catch you adrift. They think they have won. If the Germans needed labor they could have taken strong Jewish workers from the Hungarian ghettos. There was never any plans to resettle the Jews, and it is beyond dispute that they were murdered and cremated. I do not understand why you doo not see H deniers come to their senses and throw in the towel. David Cole and Mark Weber have. But how can John Wear and Carolyn keep this charade going in 2023? It is not 1980. If the Germans had resettled the Jews, they would have all the data to support the fact that they never killed them. Makes sense.
3.The other part of John Wears research which you probably know more about than me is the post war treatment of the German prisoners, the allied bombing of the German cities like Dresden, and the expulsion of Germans from the East (some 15 million). Horrific stuff. I doubt that Eisenhower was trying to starve German POW’s to death, and I am not sure about the numbers he is citing, but the attempts to blame the Jews for creating and stoking hatred towards Germany as a Zionist plot is total BS. When I was in Poland last summer, I did a lot of war tours, there is a museum and they played this video of the Rising of Warsaw that Hitler ordered in 1945. Warsaw was left with shells standing. They hated the Germans without the help of the Zionist Jews. If you have ever seen that film. The bertie and after of Warsaw from the air is stunning.
This film on the razing of Warsaw was better. What did the Germans think was going to happen?
Hypocrite. THE REAL FATE OF THE CHILDREN • http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html
CNN report: IDF sexually abused Palestinian children http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3952077,00.html
Israel Tests Weapons on Palestinian Kids, Tests Drugs on Prisoners, Says Israeli Professor https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-weapons-drug-testing-on-palestinians/
The Yad Vashem Claims These Jews Were Murdered By the Nazis. They’re Actually Alive and Giving “Holocaust” Lectures
by Eric Striker, May 7, 2020, https://www.unz.com/estriker/the-yad-vashem-claims-these-jews-were-murdered-by-the-nazis-theyre-actually-alive-and-giving-holocaust-lectures/
The study also shows multiple counts of the same individuals, even including the 1972-1993 Director of Yad Vashem three times.
The Jewish population is much higher than we are told
https://joshf731.substack.com/p/the-jewish-population-is-much-higher
Jews are commanded to hide their numbers:
From the Babylonian Talmud: Yoma 22b (Soncino edition):
“It is forbidden to count Israel even for [the purpose of fulfilling] a commandment […] Whosoever counts Israel, transgresses a [biblical] prohibition, as it is said: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured.”
The illogical statements of Franny are something to behold.
“…where one dead Jew ended up residing…” Hmmm, a grave yard, perhaps?
Her ceaseless activity of Copy and Paste surely is an indication diminished mental capacity?
I don’t recall reading one original thought from her; but one thing is for sure: She must hate her fellow tribes people.
What say you about the headline in the March 24, 1933 Daily Express newspaper: Judea Declares War on Germany.
Or how about the vile tome: Germany Must Perish by Theodore N. Kaufman. The author’s premise is that Germany itself and all people of German ancestry must be genocided out of existence.
Sure sounds jewish to me…
If I were of German ancestry, how would you expect me to feel about the above statements?
Ever jewish “holy day” is a celebration of conquest, total destruction and annihilation of “foreign” (non-jewish) cultures and populations, including animals. Everything must be destroyed.
I await your (enlightened) response…
It starts with male genital mutilation (circumcision) of jewish male infants.
The actual act of removing the foreskin, while vile and cruel in itself is not the end of the damage done to the jewish male infant.
After “the deed is done” the dirty “mohel” then fellates (“metzitzah b’peh,”) the infant, passing whatever STDs and other diseases the “mohel” possesses.
This, in itself, is one reason why mental illness is prevalent in adult jewish males.
Of course, the massive amount of “inbreeding” practiced by jews is also a part of the equation…
God’s “chosen” people indeed. Always victims; never accepting any responsibilities for their vile actions.
No wonder God did not renew his contract with that bunch.
Will we have another Sodom and Gomorrah? What cities would be the most likely candidates?
These are Renaissance paintings of the baby Jesus’s Bris (circumcision) and metzitzah b’peh, Al loves these photos of baby penises. His true perversion.
Despite baby Jesus’s Bris and metzitzah b’peh, he came out okay. He became the Savior of the World.
Not to shabby.
“The Savior of the World” (Salvator Mundi) by Leonardo da Vinci
“…Al loves these photos of baby penises. His true perversion…”.
Coming from a Jew this statement is truly priceless. A classic case of Transference!
Say Franny, why did you not show pictures of the other half of your holy ceremony -ahem- butchery? Too afraid to show your holy rabbi doing his thing and sucking the baby’s penis?
Some “doctors” claim that circumcision is for health reasons; could be for the un-civilized among us: you know, the ones general Patton wrote about. Civilized people are taught how to wash themselves. Also, how does the sucking with a filthy mouth promote health in a baby that is still vulnerable to infection?
Where did God find these people???
That Franny is amusing. Keep up the good work.
To John and Carolyn,
You “like” Als post? Everything on there is a provable lie, not even a deep need for research lie, but a 3rd graders lie, elemental solipsistic. Sometimes when Al is dormant I think his parents have taken his computer away. He represents Catholicism on this site as a holy person, as is supposedly his website. He is a radical anti Vatican 2 Catholic (Gemar Rudolf’s brother is also one) These RC views have been rejected and many of the priest excommunicate. If they knew Al’s identity they would excommunicate him, and definitely shut him down. He represents nothing holy, nothing truthful, certainly nothing from god that any church believes. He posts photos of cardboard mockups of dead children allegedly killed by Israelis, no credit or sourcing anywhere. Just photos. His favorite is a mockup of dead baby from a mother’s womb. It sits on the table like a greek statue with blood drawn in with a magic marker blood. I never feel sympathy, like Halloween I laugh at them, they do not garner sympathy, just horror.
The IDF does not sexually abuse children or use chemical tests on Arabs. Both of you who are so particular on sourcing keen to call most things fake, say you like that? I did source the Erik Striker article on UR, and of course this information is bogus.
I am totally burned out on this thread, but I have done so much research I cannot let stupid lies pass me by, especially from a complete lunatic like Al. Some of the claims come from DenierBud (who on HC call him Denier Muppet) from a CODOH site refuting Jews that are dead on the Yad Vashem site as being alive.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2020/05/holocaust-deniers-and-yad-vashem.html#more
Lies http://judaism.is/big-lies.html , Murder http://judaism.is/genocide.html (including Ritual Murder http://judaism.is/ritual-murder , targeting children http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html , and organ harvesting from murdered Gentiles http://judaism.is/organ-harvesting.html , Perversion http://judaism.is/perversion.html , Paganism http://judaism.is/paganism.html = Judaism! http://judaism.is
ANYONE can add names to the Yad Vashem database.
I’ll bet that even Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy are listed in the Yad Vashem database.
No verification or proof is necessary…
Jews should be happy that “six-million” did not perish but (((they))) are not. The actual “count” of approximately 271,000 would destroy (((their))) whole “holocaustianity” religion myth and financial scam.
Lies http://judaism.is/big-lies.html , Murder http://judaism.is/genocide.html (including Ritual Murder http://judaism.is/ritual-murder , targeting children http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html , and organ harvesting from murdered Gentiles http://judaism.is/organ-harvesting.html , Perversion http://judaism.is/perversion.html , Paganism http://judaism.is/paganism.html = Judaism! http://judaism.is All with verifiable references.
Sting singing Mac the Knife in German, from the play Three Penny Opera, by Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill one of the most performed play around the world.
Jewish propaganda. Good riddance.
Sure the fuck beats denial propaganda. At least we have good music. Mack the Knife. One of the most produced songs in the world. Someone likes it.
“…He (Al) posts photos of cardboard mockups of dead children allegedly killed by Israelis, no credit or sourcing anywhere…”.
So now we have Franny getting bent all out of shape because someone may have posted… whatever… without credit or sourcing!
For over 80 years the western media has spouted off on German atrocities with photographs of similar failings: no credits, no sourcing, and deliberate mislabelling to boot! One estimate had it that over 90% of these atrocity photos were fake!
In fact, a photo essay that was to illustrate the alleged atrocities of the Wehrmacht, was almost completely debunked by the people who traced the origin of each photograph shown, and put it into proper context. Practically everything was cropped or mislabelled to perpetrate lies to the audience. Consequently this display was removed, dying a quiet death.
A recent example of such photographic doctoring was a photo of Pope Benedict XVI. A photo of him as a young priest allegedly showed him making the Hitler salute. Turns out the picture was cropped and, in fact, showed a group of priests raising both their arms in the religious ceremony. Never mind the fact this pope became a priest after the end of WWII!
Then we have more of the goodies Franny excels at: Copying and pasting from the font of all holicost wisdom, Yad Vashim!
Imagine going into a impartial court and asserting that:
“…It is probable that part of the individuals whose names appear only in sources of the third category, that is, lacking a direct reference to murder, were murdered at a later stage, but this cannot be determined on the basis of the documentation available as of now.
Why is it that on the personal records based on lists of Jews in some of the ghettos (Lodz for example), it is stated “presumably murdered”? I know that the person was murdered…”.
Presenting such rubbish as proof of murder in an impartial court of law would have that court break out in wild peals of laughter, or a call for the wardens of the lunatic asylum.
But for Jews such as Franny and Yad Vashin, this amounts to proof positive.
No wonder that everything touched by organized Jewry turns to rubbish.
‘…In fact, a photo essay that was to illustrate the alleged atrocities of the Wehrmacht, was almost completely debunked by the people who traced the origin of each photograph shown, and put it into proper context. Practically everything was cropped or mislabelled to perpetrate lies to the audience. Consequently this display was removed, dying a quiet death…’
That’s interesting. Got a link? (he asked politely)
Actually, I found the relevant [i]Wikipedia[/i] page — which partially substantiates your claims. However — as usual — I got led off in another direction.
‘They were presented later as an entirely different exposition called Größte Härte: Verbrechen der Wehrmacht in Polen September/Oktober 1939 (Crimes of the Wehrmacht in Poland, September/October 1939) by the Deutsches Historisches Institut Warschau.’
That’s more typical of what goes on. Without denying that the Wehrmacht may have committed war crimes in Poland (I believe it did) or excusing such actions, I’m all too confident the exposition omits or denies a relevant fact.
The Poles were no sweethearts themselves. They seem to have reacted to the German invasion by murdering at least several thousand ethnic Germans. To cite one salient fact, at the time of the invasion, six thousand ethnic Germans were serving as conscripts in the Polish army. They were never heard of again. Then there seem to have been a good five thousand murdered civilians of German extraction.
The advancing Germans would have seen the evidence of these killings — and certainly would have been informed of them by their own propaganda.
As almost always, killings and atrocities don’t occur in a vacuum. There is, if not a justification for them, usually at least an explanation.
Maybe you like the Louis Armstrong or Bobby Darin version of Mack the Knife, one of those most popular songs world wide. A genius song written by a genius German Jewish writer Kurt Weill.
The sad German version is closer to the play, the most beautiful and most soulful.
‘No wonder that everything touched by organized Jewry turns to rubbish.’
Be fair. Hollywood was head and shoulders above the rest of the world for about half of the last century — and that was Jewry, Inc.
Modern physics — and atomic bombs really do work — is partially a function of Jewish genius.
I think one should give credit where credit is due — and after all, Jews are only two-tenths of one percent of humanity. It’s not like they should have done more.
It’s the harm they’ve done that I object to. On the whole, I’d rather be ten years back technologically and minus Gone with the Wind — and have been spared transsexualism, blackity-blackity-black, open borders, and all their other less laudable contributions.
Thanks for digging out that information, as I had forgotten where I read it. It was not in Wiki, that’s for sure.
While I am not terribly religious, I do believe the bible has a few life lessons, one being Joseph and his plan for saving food during the fat years to see the people through the following lean years.
The other lesson is that “let him without sin cast the first stone”.
The Germans have been vilified and called every name under the sun now for well over 100 years. If one is going to do that, it would behoove the accuser to be sure that his own background is clean.
Yet the more I read about those times, the more I find that the Jews in Russia, the Brits and Yanks in WWII, the USSR in its own country and WWII, were so unbelievably bestial, that they need to propagate the lies about Germany today so that they may claim “The Germans were worse than us.”
The more I read the more I come to the conclusion that the Germans were choir boys compared to the allies.
Looked up Kurt Weill on Wiki. It said nothing of him writing anything in Yiddish. Further, his mother;s name was Ackermann, which is not a typically Jewish name.
Everything Weill learned of his craft he learned in Germany, in German institutions, under German masters and technicians. All paid for by the German taxpayer.
From the Wiki article he was very well received in Germany, and was given every opportunity to study at German institutions of higher learning. Nary a sign of any discrimination!
He got accolades everywhere he went in Germany, and appeared to have done very well for himself during one of Germany’s most desperate economic times.
And after all that he was unhappy with the new NSDAP government in Germany. Fine, I get that. I get royally pissed off at my governments, too.
But I do not move into a foreign country and encourage that country to wage war against a people that were, indeed, very good to me, or Weill for that matter!
And that’s what your thankless creeps Weill and also Einstein did. They encouraged war by their host country against a people that had treated them very well indeed.
I had a poster in my cubicle farm office that proclaimed: “No good Deed goes Unpunished”.
After the 1933 declaration or war by Jews, Germany should have tossed every Jew they could find into a camp. Unfortunately the Germans were too kind and considerate to do this.
What happened to the work you have to do, Fran? You have time to look for song videos, download them and the post them here? Do you crave the attention, the limelight? Here is something I wrote about you one morning recently … let’s see, it was 4 days ago.
You see, jews have to be the “bride at every wedding” and the “corpse at every funeral”.
This is why jews bristle in horror when the “goyim” speak of suffering and deaths of those “other than jews”, especially when referring to their phony “holocaust™”.
Since us “goyim” are considered to be “subhuman livestock, albeit with souls, to be used for the advantage of the jews”, our deaths and other tragedies don’t count. It’s in the jewish Talmud.
This is something I wrote recently…
The mass media, especially in North America, gives way too much credit to Jews for developments they marginally contributed to.
Take Hollywood; the film cameras and projectors in use in the beginning, were inventions stolen from Thomas A. Edison, who fumed that he never was paid any royalties.
One of the most impactful filming techniques, the traversing film camera, was invented by Riefenstahl in Germany in the 1930, who did some of the most outstanding film work of her period.
Agreed that a fair number of Hollywood movies were very good. But who actually made them? The studio owners? Not likely. Look at the names of the directors of early movies, they were not Jewish.
I’ll grant you that every movie made in Hollywood has a Jewish producer, but so what? He drummed up the money for the movie but had little or nothing to do with the artistic work.
Then we have Einstein and the formula E=MC**2. He is given credit for it but he certainly was not the discoverer thereof. 10 seconds with google will give a background as to who first came up with the idea. It was an Austrian professor from Vienna.
So it is with many so-called Jewish discoveries.
Honest scientists and inventors give credit where credit is due. The two that immediately spring to mind are Newton and Alexander G. Bell, the latter who is given credit for inventing the telephone.
Newton admitted that he stood on the “shoulders of giants” when he made his discoveries, and Bell in his writings showed that Philip Reis of Germany had made early discoveries on this technology. Bell certainly deserves credit for making the telephone a commercial success.
While I am at it, in the English speaking world Newton is given credit for developing the mathematics of calculus. Fact is, the German mathematician Leibnitz developed calculus at the same time, and it is Leibnitz’ calculus notation that is in use today; Newton’s method was too cumbersome and awkward, and had “thrown back British mathematicians 100 years”.
Finally, much is made that Whittle in Britain invented the jet engine. Fact is, early work on this dates back to the early 1900’s. Von Ohain in Germany developed the first axial flow gas turbine engine, and the first operational jet aircraft flew in Germany.
Whittle in Britain played with radial compressors for his jet engines, which are easier to deal with in small sizes.
However, all modern jet engines are of the German axial flow design, because these are smaller in diameter, and lend themselves much better for staging, which is necessary for high compression ratios for good power densities and efficiencies.
So please enumerate the “war crimes” the Wehrmacht committed in Poland, or at least some of them. You so easily throw accusations around, yet you’re seldom willing to be specific about them.
Previously you were using the word “atrocities” and “crimes” interchangeably. Now it’s “war crimes,” a very different animal yet you tend to jumble it with the others. Definitions:
Atrocity – (noun) 1. Appalling or atrocious … behavior; monstrousness. 2. Unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners. 3. enormous wickedness; extreme criminality or cruelty.
war crime – (noun) 1. genocide or the mistreatment of prisoners of war in violation of the conventions of warfare. 2. A punishable offense, under international law, for violations of the law of war 3. violation of rules of war
Your oh, so ingenius Jews invented “International Crimes” as a new law category in 1945 and purposely confuse War Crimes with atrocities, the evidence shows. So your last sentence includes “killings and atrocities don’t occur in a vacuum.” “Killings and atrocities” put together as equal, hmm. Clever you, and clever Fran and clever John W. The true atrocities carried out during WWII were by the Poles and the Russians, first, and the Greeks & Jews second. The Yugoslavs (Serbs), British and Americans got very, very close, especially at the end. The Czechs went all the way into atrocities at the end, when they knew the Germans could no longer retaliate (and don’t bring up Lidice because that did not include atrocities. All against the Germans.
Greeks committed atrocities during WWII? Please elucidate. Although I was taught that Greeks suffered many atrocities during that period, I’m open to considering new evidence that suggests otherwise.
‘Greeks committed atrocities during WWII? ‘
Probably. Greeks commit atrocities liberally — and have atrocities committed against them at least as freely. That goes back a good two hundred years at least.
It’s just that they loudly bewail the latter whilst overlooking the former.
Could you kindly furnish the most egregious examples of such?
‘Could you kindly furnish the most egregious examples of such?’
There were the various horrors perpetrated against ‘Turks’ — i.e., Muslims — during the Greek Wars of independence in the Nineteenth century.
Then, in the Graeco-Turkish war of 1920-22, the Greeks slaughtered Turks with abandon, in particular murdering them during their retreat.
…which was singularly ill-timed, as the Greek retreat culminated in the Turkish capture of Smyrna, which had a large population of Greek civilians, and of course the Turks promptly demonstrated that if the Greeks were no better than they, they were no better than the Greeks.
Actually the atrocities are mostly documented in Crete, where the Germans first landed by parachute. Maybe the Cretans are more barbarous than the mainland Greeks. Also, Greeks are famously fierce and determined fighters, whom A.H. admired for that reason. Most of the atrocities documented were the work of civilians and illegal franc-tireur fighters. Primitive people feel that if they are attacked (without following or knowing the larger political picture) they can do anything to the attacker they want. They could not care less about any Conventions of War. The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau (https://www.amazon.com/Wehrmacht-War-Crimes-Bureau-1939-1945/dp/0803216807) has a chapter on Crete, from which I take the following:
page 80: “In the years 1941 & 1942 (the Germans) published a White Book on the war in Crete and three on the war in Russia.These consisted primarily of sworn witness testimony compiled and verified by the War Crimes Bureau, and therefore may be taken more seriously as historical sources. […] An internal evaluation summed up, “At the time of the fighting in Crete, and shortly thereafter, the Germans accused British troops, and the Cretans of numerous atrocities.”
page 99: “On Aug.5, 1941 a German military tribunal in Crete convicted John Zazaronakis of franc-tireur activities and of plundering the bodies of dead soldiers. The court sentenced Zazaronakis to death because ‘the situation in Crete and the security of German soldiers require drastic measures for the sake of deterrence and … it is imperative to carry out the sentence as soon as possible.’ The execution took place the same day. ”
page 154: “In the summer of 1941, the War Crimes Bureau completed a long study titled “Enemy Violations of International Law during the German Engagement in Crete,” which evaluated the extensive documentation already collected. The study comprised chapters dealing with killings and mutilations, misuse of the German flag and German uniforms, franc-tireur activity, and attacks on German transports by sea, and the killing of German shipwrecked survivors.”
page 155-56 “According to the sworn testimony of witnesses, who confirmed and complemented one another, there is the following evidence that the wounded left behind were murdered: Scouting patrols that returned to the battlefield one or two hours after the fight and burial details sent the following day found 124 dead and not a single man wounded…. A corporal who had a shot only in the shoulder lay there with his own knife through his throat. … Many of the dead had in addition to other injuries stab wounds or shots through the head or through the heart. The number of shots through the head and heart was remarkably high, although the battalion had been attacked primarily with machine guns. Two of the dead had serious stab wounds that had not issued any blood. … In my opinion Greek soldiers and civilians are suspect.
[…]
Judge Roland Rudel wrote: The civilian population, including youngsters about ten years old, fired with all sorts of weapons, also with dumdum and hunting ammunition. Bush and tree snipers were repeatedly observed …On corpses of German soldiers countless mutilations have been established; some had their genitals amputated, eyes put out, ears and noses cut off […] and hands chopped off.
You make it sound as though the Greeks were the initiators of the aggression when, in fact, it was the Ottomans that enslaved and occupied Greece for 400 years. The International Association of Genocide Scholars have documented the atrocities the Turks committed against Greeks and have verified that it reached the status of genocide. When it comes to the initiation of aggression, there’s simply no comparison.
The picture was pretty clear to the Greeks. Their homeland was being invaded… first by the Italians and when that failed then by the Germans, who eventually succeeded in occupying the homeland.
And it’s not so much a function of primitiveness as it is a function of relative strength. When you are outgunned by an attacker, you will resort to any means at your disposal to ward off the attack and liberate the homeland.
Here’s a book for you:
Death and Exile The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims, 1821-1922
by McCarthy, Justin
Not just about the Greeks, but they’re there.
Of course the Turks weren’t saints either — far from it. Indeed, McCarthy decidedly loses sight of that point.
But the point is that it was give and take — in the worst sense possible.
‘…You make it sound as though the Greeks were the initiators of the aggression when, in fact, it was the Ottomans that enslaved and occupied Greece for 400 years…’
In the 1920-22 war, the Greeks most certainly were the aggressors. In fact, they were attempting to conquer territory that was overwhelmingly Muslim and had been for the best part of a thousand years.
If Morocco decided to have a go at ‘reconquering’ Spain at this point in time, would you see their cause as just?
Thx. I’ll be delighted to read it.
To reciprocate your well-intentioned gesture, I’d like to recommend some reading materials for you.
Let me know when you’ve gone through most of this material so we can compare notes and see if we still hold to the same conclusions.
“It is believed that in Turkey between 1913 and 1922, under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal (Ataturk), more than 3.5 million Armenian, Assyrian and Greek Christians were massacred in a state-organized and state-sponsored campaign of destruction and genocide, aiming at wiping out from the emerging Turkish Republic its native Christian populations. This Christian Holocaust is viewed as the precursor to the Jewish Holocaust in WWII. To this day, the Turkish government ostensibly denies having committed this genocide.”
— Prof. Israel Charney, President of the IAGS
“Turks admit that the Armenian persecution is the first step in a plan to get rid of Christians, and that Greeks would come next. … Turkey henceforth is to be for Turks alone.”
— Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, quoting the New York Times, September 14, 1915.
“While the death toll in the trenches of Western Europe were close to 2 million by the summer of 1915, the extermination of innocent civilians in Turkey (the Armenians, but also Syrian and Assyrian Christians and large portions of the Greek population, especially the Greeks of Pontos, or Black Sea region) was reaching 1 million.”
— Peter Balakian, The Burning Tigris, p. 285-286.
In an article for the August 1, 1926 edition of the Los Angeles Examiner, Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk) also affirms the slaughters. Kemal writes:
“those … left-over from the former Young Turkish Party, … should have been made to account for the lives of millions of our Christian subjects who were ruthlessly driven en masse, from their homes and massacred …”
— Mustafa Kemal — Emile Hildebrand, “Kemal Promises More Hangings of Political Antagonists in Turkey,” Los Angeles Examiner, August 1, 1926 (Sunday edition, Section VI).
“If members of the United Nations pass appropriate legislation such incidents such as pogroms of Czarist Russian and the massacres of Armenians and Greeks by Turkey would be punishable as genocide.”
— “Genocide Under the Law of Nations,” New York Times, January 5, 1947.
Contemporary newspaper commentary
THE CALVARY OF A NATION: A PERSONAL NARRATIVE
“The extermination of the Armenians is well under way. Thousands of Nestorians and Syrians [of the Assyrian Orthodox Church] have vanished from the face of the earth. More than 300,000 Greeks have been deported from the Ottoman Empire, and many more sent to the interior. The fate that awaits the surviving Christians and Jews — in fact, of all the non-Turkish elements — depends on the term of the fratricidal war and its fortunes. The Young Turks are watchfully waiting to carry out their program: ‘Turkey for the Turks.’”
Atlantic Monthly, November 1916
The Assyrian Genocide (I intentially removed this section to shorten this lengthy post)
The Greek Genocide
Note: Anatolia (from the Greek meaning east) and Asia Minor are both terms used to designate the area now known as Turkey. Pontos, or Pontus, a large mountainous province along the southern shores of the Black Sea, and the Pontians, or Pontic Greeks, who first settled there in 800 B.C., are often specifically mentioned in documentation. The Pontian region is part of Anatolia. Other areas of Anatolia long settled by Greeks are Ionia (the western coastal province of Smyrna and environs) and Cappadocia (a large central province). Lesser known, but equally important, Greek settlements in Anatolia include Bithynia, Caria, Cilicia, Galatia, Lycaonia, Lycia, Lydia, Mysia, Pamphylia, Paphlagonia, Phrygia, and Pisidia.
Henry Morgenthau, Sr.
“The martyrdom of the Greeks, therefore, comprised two periods: that antedating the war, and that which began in the early part of 1915. The first affected chiefly the Greeks on the seacoast of Asia Minor. The second affected those living in Thrace and in the territories surrounding the Sea of Marmora, the Dardanelles, the Bosphorus, and the coast of the Black Sea. These latter, to the extent of several hundred thousand, were sent to the interior of Asia Minor. The Turks adopted almost identically the same procedure against the Greeks as that which they had adopted against the Armenians. They began by incorporating the Greeks into the Ottoman army and then transforming them into labour battalions, using them to build roads in the Caucasus and other scenes of action. These Greek soldiers, just like the Armenians, died by thousands from cold, hunger, and other privations. The same house-to-house searches for hidden weapons took place in the Greek villages, and Greek men and women were beaten and tortured just as were their fellow Armenians. The Greeks had to submit to the same forced requisitions, which amounted in their case, as in the case of the Armenians, merely to plundering on a wholesale scale. The Turks attempted to force the Greek subjects to become Mohammedans; Greek girls, just like Armenian girls, were stolen and taken to Turkish harems and Greek boys were kidnapped and placed in Moslem households. The Greeks, just like the Armenians, were accused of disloyalty to the Ottoman Government; the Turks accused them of furnishing supplies to the English submarines in the Marmora and also of acting as spies. The Turks also declared that the Greeks were not loyal to the Ottoman Government, and that they also looked forward to the day when the Greeks inside of Turkey would become part of Greece. These latter charges were unquestionably true; that the Greeks, after suffering for five centuries the most unspeakable outrages at the hands of the Turks, should look longingly to the day when their territory should be part of the fatherland, was to be expected. The Turks, as in the case of the Armenians, seized upon this as an excuse for a violent onslaught on the whole race. Everywhere the Greeks were gathered in groups and, under the so-called protection of Turkish gendarmes, they were transported, the larger part on foot, into the interior. Just how many were scattered in this fashion is not definitely known, the estimates varying anywhere from 200,000 up to 1,000,000. These caravans suffered great privations, but they were not submitted to general massacre as were the Armenians, and this is probably the reason why the outside world has not heard so much about them. The Turks showed them this greater consideration not from any motive of pity. The Greeks, unlike the Armenians, had a government which was vitally interested in their welfare. At this time there was a general apprehension among the Teutonic Allies that Greece would enter the war on the side of the Entente, and a wholesale massacre of Greeks in Asia Minor would unquestionably have produced such a state of mind in Greece that its pro-German king would have been unable longer to keep his country out of the war. It was only a matter of state policy, therefore, that saved these Greek subjects of Turkey from all the horrors that befell the Armenians. But their sufferings are still terrible, and constitute another chapter in the long story of crimes for which civilization will hold the Turk responsible.
Amb. Henry Morgenthau, Sr. “The Murder of a Nation,” ch. XXIV in Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story, 1919 (written in 1916, before Greece entered the war on the side of the Allies in 1917, therefore before the further massacres of Greeks between 1916 and 1923), pp. 52-53.
When “the civilized world did not protest against these deportations the Turks afterward decided to apply the same methods on a larger scale not only to the Greeks but to the Armenians, Syrians, Nestorians, and others of its subject peoples.”
“the Greeks were the first victims of this nationalizing idea … in the few months preceding the European War, the Ottoman Government began deporting its Greek subjects along the coast of Asia Minor.”
“The story which I have told about the Armenians I could also tell with certain modifications about the Greeks and the Syrians.”
— Morgenthau, Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story
“By ridding themselves of the Armenians, Greeks, or any other group that stood in their way, Turkish nationalists were attempting to prove how they could clarify, purify, and ultimately unify a polity and society so that it could succeed on its own, albeit Western-orientated terms. This, of course, was the ultimate paradox: the CUP committed genocide in order to transform the residual empire into a streamlined, homogeneous nation-state on the European model. Once the CUP had started the process, the Kemalists, freed from any direct European pressure by the 1918 defeat and capitulation of Germany, went on to complete it, achieving what nobody believed possible: the reassertion of independence and sovereignty via an exterminatory war of national liberation.”
— Mark Levene, “Creating a Modern ‘Zone of Genocide’: The Impact of Nation— and State-formation on Eastern Anatolia, 1878-1923.”
“The Turks extended their policy of exterminating the Christians of the empire to the Armenians, Greeks, Syrians, and Lebanese.”
“German military officers, diplomats, and civilians also witnessed the planning and execution of the genocide of Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek Christians as it unfolded.”
“Absent a governmental intention to exterminate the Christians of the empire, it would be nearly impossible to explain how the massacres, rapes, deportations, and dispossessions of the Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek Christians living in the Ottoman Empire at the time of World War I could have taken place on such a vast scale.”
— Hannibal Travis, “Native Christians Massacred,” Genocide Studies and Prevention, December 2006 (see further quotes from this source in the section on the Assyrian genocide).
Contemporary commentary and official pronouncements
14 May 1914: Official document from Talaat Bey Minister of the Interior to Prefect of Smyrna: “The Greeks, who are Ottoman subjects, and form the majority of inhabitants in your district, take advantage of the circumstances in order to provoke a revolutionary current, favourable to the intervention of the Great Powers. Consequently, it is urgently necessary that the Greeks occupying the coastline of Asia Minor be compelled to evacuate their villages and install themselves in the vilayets of Erzerum and Chaldea. If they should refuse to be transported to the appointed places, kindly give instructions to our Moslem brothers, so that they shall induce the Greeks, through excesses of all sorts, to leave their native places of their own accord. Do not forget to obtain, in such cases, from the emigrants certificates stating that they leave their homes on their own initiative, so that we shall not have political complications ensuing from their displacement.”
31 July 1915: German priest J. Lepsius: “The anti-Greek and anti-Armenian persecutions are two phases of one — the extermination of the Christian element from Turkey.”
16 July 1916: German Consul Kuchhoff from Amisos to Berlin: “The entire Greek population of Sinope and the coastal region of the county of Kastanomu has been exiled. Exile and extermination in Turkish are the same, for whoever is not murdered, will die from hunger or illness.”
30 November 1916: Austrian consul at Amisos Kwiatkowski to Austrian Foreign Minister Baron Burian: “on 26 November Rafet Bey told me: ‘we must finish off the Greeks as we did with the Armenians …’ on 28 November Rafet Bey told me: ‘today I sent squads to the interior to kill every Greek on sight.’ I fear for the elimination of the entire Greek population and a repeat of what occurred last year.”
13 December 1916: German Ambassador Kuhlman to German Chancellor Hollweg in Berlin: “Consuls Bergfeld in Samsun and Schede in Kerasun report of displacement of local population and murders. Prisoners are not kept. Villages reduced to ashes. Greek refugee families consisting mostly of women and children being marched from the coasts to Sebasteia. The need is great.”
20 January 1917: Austrian Ambassador Pallavicini: “the situation for the displaced is desperate. Death awaits them all. I spoke to the Grand Vizier and told him that it would be sad if the persecution of the Greek element took the same scope and dimension as the Armenia persecution.”
31 January 1917: German Chancellor Hollweg’s report: “… the indications are that the Turks plan to eliminate the Greek element as enemies of the state, as they did earlier with the Armenians. The strategy implemented by the Turks is of displacing people to the interior without taking measures for their survival by exposing them to death, hunger, and illness. The abandoned homes are then looted and burnt or destroyed. Whatever was done to the Armenians is being repeated with the Greeks.”
— Sources: Found in the archives of the Foreign Ministry of Greece, as reported by Professor Kostas Fotiadis, professor of History at Aristotelian University in Greece and compiled in a 14 volumes of documentation: Constantinos Emm. Fotiadis, The Genocide of the Pontus Greeks. Vol. 13 is: The Genocide of the Pontus Greeks by the Turks: Archive documents of the Ministries of Foreign Affairs of Britain, France, the League of Nations and S.H.A.T., Heodotus, Greece (2004). See also http://www.greek-genocide.org/quotes.html#bkmk5
MASSACRES OF GREEKS IN TURKEY REPORTED
Hundreds Killed by Turks and Bulgars in Many Towns, London Hears
— New York Times, 20 April 1916
“Stories of cruelty and outrage in the expulsion of the inhabitants from the villages — features which it was impossible indeed should be lacking — are simply confirmed. A good many girls are in the hospitals at Aivali in consequence of their treatment by the moharjis.”
— Manchester Guardian, 29 June 1914
MASSACRE OF GREEKS
CHARGED TO THE TURKS
Priest, Old Men and Children
Are Reported Slain—Bodies
Are Thrown into Well.
— Atlanta Constitution, June 17, 1914
MASSACRES OF GREEKS IN TURKEY REPORTED
Hundreds Killed by Turks and Bulgars in Many Towns London Hears
— The New York Times, April 20, 1916
“The story of the Greek deportations is not yet generally known. Quietly and gradually the same treatment is being meted out to the Greeks as to the Armenians and Syrians [Assyrians]. Although closely guarded, certain echoes come out from time to time. There were some two or three million Greeks in Asia Minor at the outbreak of the war in 1914 subject to Turkish rule. According to the latest reliable and authoritative accounts, some seven to eight hundred thousand have been deported, mainly from the coast regions into the interior of Asia Minor. At the declaration of the present war all persecutions were stopped, but the spring of 1915 brought to the stage a tragic, novel drama, unique in the history of the world as to its horrors and destructiveness — that is, the Armenian deportation; under that innocent name the extermination of a Christian race was started. Along with the Armenians most of the Greeks of the Marmora regions and Thrace have been deported on the pretext that they gave information to the enemy. Along the Aegean coast, Aivalik stands out as the worst sufferer. According to one report, some 70,000 Greeks have been deported towards Konia and beyond. At least 7000 have been slaughtered. The Greek Bishop of Aivalik committed suicide in despair.”
— Frank W. Jackson, Chairman of the Relief Committee for Greeks of Asia Minor, October 17, 1917
“Will the outrageous terrorising, the cruel torturing, the driving of women into the harems, the debauchery of innocent girls, the sale of many of them at eighty cents each, the murdering of hundreds of thousands and the deportation to, and starvation in, the deserts of other hundreds of thousands, the destruction of hundreds of villages and cities, will the wilful execution of this whole devilish scheme to annihilate the Armenian, Greek and Syrian Christians of Turkey — will all this go unpunished?”
— Henry Morgenthau, “The Greatest Horror in History,” Red Cross Magazine, March 1918.
“Les persécutions antihelléniques poursuivies en Turquie depuis le début de la guerre européenne ne sont que la continuation du plan d’extermination de l’Hellénisme mis, depuis 1913, en pratique par les Jeunes-Turcs.”
Translation:
“The anti-Greek persecutions carried out in Turkey since the beginning of the European War are but the continuation of the plan of extermination of Hellenism practiced by the Young Turks, since 1913.”
— From the reports of diplomatic and consular officials.
— Les Persécution Antihelléniques en Turquie Depuis le Début de la Guerre Européenne. D’après les rapports officiels des agents diplomatiques et consulaires (Paris, Librairie Bernard Grasset, 1918), Introduction.
“… the Greeks of Anatolia are suffering the same or worse fate than did the Armenians in the massacres of the Great War. The deportation of the Greeks is not limited to the Black Sea Coast but is being carried out throughout the whole of the country governed by the Nationalists. Greek villages are deported entire, the few Turkish or Armenian inhabitants are forced to leave, and the villages are burned. The purpose is unquestionably to destroy all Greeks in that territory and to leave Turkey for the Turks. These deportations are, of course, accompanied by cruelties of every form just as was true in the case of the Armenian deportations five and six years ago.”
— Stanley Hopkins, American employee of the Near East Relief, 16/11/1921
Additional Sources
“In 1916, the Pontic Greeks along the Black Sea coast were again targeted. Six thousand Pontian men, women, and children of the Bafra area were burned alive as they took refuge in churches. In the town of Alajam another 2,500 Pontians were slaughtered. Of the 25,000 inhabitants of the Bafra region alone, 90 percent were eliminated by mass slayings or by sending them on long death marches where they were often raped and robbed and left to die of disease and starvation.”
— Dr. Harry Psomiades, The Phantom Republic of Pontos and the Magali Catastrophe (The Hellenic Studies Forum Inc. of Australia, 1992)
“A study of this question may be found in Publication No. 3, of the American Hellenic Society, 1918, in which the statement is made that one million, five hundred thousand Greeks were driven from their homes in Thrace and Asia Minor, and that half these populations had perished from deportations, outrages and famine.
“The violent and inflammatory articles in the Turkish newspapers, above referred to, appeared unexpectedly and without any cause. They were so evidently ‘inspired’ by the authorities, that it seems a wonder that even ignorant Turks did not understand this. Cheap lithographs were also got up, executed in the clumsiest and most primitive manner-evidently local productions. They represented Greeks cutting up Turkish babies or ripping open pregnant Moslem women, and various purely imaginary scenes, founded on no actual events or even accusations elsewhere made. These were hung in the mosques and schools. This campaign bore immediate fruit and set the Turk to killing, a not very difficult thing to do.”
— George Horton, The Blight of Asia (1956)
April 5, 1922: The American Consul at Aleppo, Jesse B. Jackson, filed a report from Dr. Mark H. Ward and Dr. F. D. Yowell, Director of the Near East Relief unit at Harpoot. In it Ward and Yowell testify to the tens of thousands of Greeks from the Black Sea region — two-thirds of whom were women and children — being marched south, with medical attention, food and shelter denied to them, causing many thousands to perish from ‘starvation, exposure, typhus, and dysentery.’
Yowell and Ward affirmed: “The policy of the Turks toward the Greeks who were, and are still, being deported, through Sivas-Harpoot Diarbekr from the Black Sea Coast and the Konia district, seems to be one of extermination.”
Yowell, May 5, 1922: “Conditions of Greek minorities are even worse than those of the Armenians. Sufferings of the Greeks deported from districts behind the battlefront are terrible and still continue. These deportees begun to reach Harpoot before my arrival last October. Of thirty thousand Greek refugees who left Sivas, five thousand died on the way before reaching Harpoot. One American relief worker saw and counted fifteen hundred bodies on the road east of Harpoot.
“In Harpoot district our relief has been to give these needy people in opposition to the wishes of the Turks who did everything in their power to prevent our doing so. We were not allowed to employ any Greeks in our work or to take any orphan children, left by dying Greek deportees, into our orphanages. Sick Greeks could not be received into our hospital except on the written order of the Turkish Commissioner.
“Two thirds of the Greek deportees are women and children. All along the route where these deportees have travelled Turks are permitted to visit refugee group and select women and girls whom they desire for any purpose. These deportations are still in progress, and if American aid is now withdrawn all will perish. Their whole route today strewn with bodies of their dead, which are consumed by dogs, wolves, vultures. The Turks make no effort to bury these dead and the deportees are not permitted to do so. The chief causes of death are starvation, dysentery, typhus. Turkish authorities frankly state that is their deliberate intention to exterminate the Greeks, and all their actions supports this statements. At present fresh deportations and outrages are starting in all parts of Asia Minor from northern seaports to the south eastern district.”
Dr. Mark H. Ward, Medical missionary for the Near East Relief, July 6, 1922: “From May, 1921, to March last, when I left, thirty thousand deportees, of whom six thousand were Armenians and the rest Greeks, were collected at Sivas and deported through Kharput to Bitlis and Van. Of these thirty thousand, ten thousand perished last winter and ten thousand escaped or have been protected by the Americans. The fate of the other ten thousand is not known. The deportations are continuing; every week’s delay means deaths to hundreds of these poor people. The Turkish policy is extermination of these Christian minorities.”
Documentary Evidence that Turkish Officials Ordered the Atrocities. Translated, it reads in part:
“To the Commandant of the Central Brigade: I call your attention to the following: There is nothing but death for the Greeks, who are without honor. As soon as the slightest sign is given you, destroy everything about you immediately. As for the women, stop at nothing. Do not take either honor or friendship into consideration when the moment of vengeance arrives!
— The Commandant of the Brigade, Mehmet Azit”
— Cited in Edward Hale Bierstadt, The Great Betrayal: A Survey of the Near East Problem, New York, 1924.
“The Committee of Union and Progress made a clear decision. The source of the problem in Western Anatolia would be removed, the Greeks would be cleared out by means of political and economical measures. Before anything else, it would be necessary to weaken and break the economically powerful Greeks.”
— Nurdogan Taçlan, Ege’de Kurtulus Savasi Baslarken (Istanbul, 1970), p. 65. Quoted in Taner Akçam, A Shameful Act: The Armenian Genocide and the Question of Turkish Responsibility, translated by Paul Bessemer (New York: Metropolitan Books, 2006), p. 103.
“The Turkish reprisals against the west Anatolian Greeks became general in the spring of 1914. Entire Greek communities were driven from their homes by terrorism, their homes and land and often their moveable property were seized, and individuals were killed in the process.”
— Arnold Toynbee, The Western Question in Greece and Turkey (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1922), p. 140.
For further documentation, see:
http://www.greek-genocide.org/quotes.html#bkmk5
Armenian/Pontian Joint Recognition
Armenian National Committee of America
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ANCA MARKS PONTIAN GREEK GENOCIDE REMEMBRANCE DAY
— Joins with Assyrian and Greek Communities in Seeking Justice for Turkey’s Genocidal Crimes
May 19, 2007
WASHINGTON, DC — The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) joins with Pontian Greeks — and all Hellenes around the world — in commemorating May 19th, the international day of remembrance for the genocide initiated by the Ottoman Empire and continued by Kemalist Turkey against the historic Greek population of Pontus along the southeastern coast of the Black Sea.
“We join with the Hellenic American community in solemn remembrance of the Pontian Genocide, and in reaffirming our determination to work together with all the victims of Turkey’s atrocities to secure full recognition and justice for these crimes,” said Aram Hamparian, Executive Director of the ANCA.
The Ottoman Empire, under the cover of World War I, undertook a systematic and deliberate effort to eliminate its minority Christian populations. This genocidal campaign resulted in the death and deportation of well over 2,000,000 Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks.
The Pontian Genocide has been formally acknowledged by Greece and Cyprus and, within the United States, by the states of New York, New Jersey, Florida, South Carolina, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, and Illinois, among others.
Note: While ANCA’s affirmation of the Genocide of Greeks and Assyrians is greatly appreciated, many authorities consider the number of victims to be much greater than that recognized. For example, in his book Statistics of Democide, R.J. Rummel writes: “Democide had preceded the Young Turks’ rule and with their collapse at the end of World War I, the successor Nationalist government carried out its own democide against the Greeks and remaining or returning Armenians. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians.”
Bibliography of Books on the Pontic and Anatolian Greek Genocides
Note: For a more thorough list, including a large number of Greek-language sources, see http://www.greek-genocide.org/bibliography.html.
Also, a number of books and reports can be downloaded at http://www.greek-genocide.org/books.html.
James Levi Barton, The Near East Relief, 1915-1930. New York: Russell Sage Foundation, 1943.
Edward Hale Bierstadt, The Great Betrayal: A Survey of the Near East Problem. New York: R. M. McBride & company, 1924.
Carl C. Compton, The Morning Cometh. New York: Karatzas Publisher, 1986.
Marjorie Housepian Dobkin, Smyrna 1922: The Destruction of a City. New York, NY: Newmark Press, 1998.
Constantinos Fotiadis (ed.), The Genocide of the Pontus Greeks. 14 vols. Herodotus, 2004.
Les Persécution Antihelléniques en Turquie Depuis le Début de la Guerre Européenne. D’après les rapports officiels des agents diplomatiques et consulaires. Paris: Librairie Bernard Grasset, 1918.
Thea Halo, Not Even My Name. New York: Picador USA, 2000.
Hofmann, Tessa, ed., Verfolgung, Vertreibung und Vernichtung der Christen im Osmanischen Reich 1912-1922. Münster: LIT, 2004. (pp. 177-221 on Pontian Greeks)
George Horton, The Blight of Asia: An Account of the Systematic Extermination of Christian Populations by Mohammedans and of the Culpability of Certain Great Powers; With a True Story of the Burning of Smyrna. Indianopolis: Bobbs-Merrill, 1926.
Ioannis Karayinnides, The Golgotha of Pontos. Salonica, 1978.
Johannes Lepsius, Archives du genocide des Armeniens. Paris: Fayard, 1986.
Bernard Lewis, The Making of Modern Turkey. London: Oxford University Press, 1961.
Manchester League of Unredeemed Hellenes, Turkey’s Crimes: Hellenism in Turkey. Manchester : Norbury, Natzio & Co., 1919.
J.A.R. Marriott, The Eastern Question: A Study in European Diplomacy. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1940.
Manus I. Midlarsky, The Killing Trap. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005.
Henry Morgenthau, Sr., Ambassador’s Morgenthau Story. Garden City, N.Y.: Page & Company, 1918. Also published by the Armenian General Benevolent Union of America, 1974.
Henry Morgenthau, Sr., I Was Sent to Athens. Garden City, N.Y.: Doubleday, Doran & Co, 1929.
Henry Morgenthau, Sr., An International Drama. London: Jarrolds Ltd., 1930.
Jean De Murat. The Great Extirpation of Hellenism and Christianity in Asia Minor: The Historic and Systematic Deception of World Opinion Concerning the Hideous Christianity’s Uprooting of 1922. Miami, Fla.: [s.n.], (Athens [Greece]: A. Triantafillis) 1999.
Lysimachos Oeconomos, The Martyrdom of Smyrna and Eastern Christendom: A File of Overwhelming Evidence, Denouncing the Misdeeds of the Turks in Asia Minor and Showing Their Responsibility for the Horrors of Smyrna. London: G. Allen & Unwin, 1922.
Alexander Papadopoulos, Persecutions of the Greeks in Turkey before the European War: On the Basis of Official Documents. New York: Oxford University Press, 1919.
Ioannis Pavlides, Pages of History of Pontus and Asia Minor. Salonica, Greece, 1980.
G.W. Rendel, “Memorandum by Mr. Rendel on Turkish Massacres and Persecutions of Minorities since the Armistice.” British Foreign Office Report, 1922. FO 371/7876. X/PO9194.
R. J. Rummel, Statistics of Democide, Chapter 5, “Statistics of Turkey’s Democide — Estimates, Calculations and Sources.”
S.J. and E.K. Shaw, History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1977.
Michael Llewellyn Smith, Ionian Vision: Greece in Asia Minor, 1919-1922. London: Allen Lane, 1973.
Dido Soteriou, Farewell Anatolia. Translated by Fred A. Reed. Athens: Kedros, 1991.
Harry Tsirkinidis, At Last We Uprooted Them: The Genocide of Greeks of Pontos, Thrace, and Asia Minor, through the French Archives. Thessaloniki: Kyriakidis Bros, 1999.
C. Tsoukalas, The Greek Tragedy. Harmondsworth: Penguin, 1969.
Mark H. Ward, The Deportations in Asia Minor, 1921-1922. London: Anglo-Hellenic League, 1922.
Wikipedia Sources
All these entries feature numerous scholarly citations and references from contemporary news accounts.
The Armenian Genocide
The Assyrian Genocide
The Pontic Greek Genocide
http://www.genocidetext.net/iags_reso
‘Submitted in support of a resolution recognizing the Armenian, Assyrian, and Pontic and Anatolian Greek genocides of 1914-23…’
You’re preaching to the converted. I don’t doubt that these events happened, and I never said that that they didn’t. In fact, right from the start, I pointed out that it was a two-way street.
I see this as a bullshit argument no matter how one looks at it. You want to insist that I’m wrong: two and three don’t make five, three and two make five.
If your point is that both groups committed atrocities, great: I’m with you. For every raped and murdered nine year old Muslim girl, there was a raped and murdered nine year old Greek girl.
If your claim is that the Christians were holy innocents who never did anything bad themselves, ever — well, you’ll have to walk that road alone.
After finally liberating from Ottoman occupation most of what is today referred to as mainland Greece, the Greeks saw fit to liberate the remaining lands of occupied Greece, on which the Ionian and Pontic Greeks resided for close to three millennia.
When trying to ascertain the aggressor in a conflict it is of the utmost importance to get the starting point and the history of the occupancy of the lands in question right.
‘…When trying to ascertain the aggressor in a conflict it is of the utmost importance to get the starting point and the history of the occupancy of the lands in question right.’
You’ve got that backwards. Determining who the aggressor is in a conflict is often a matter of what starting point you pick.
More immediately, ‘Greeks’ and ‘Turks’ in this context are at least partially misleading terms. To an outsider, the two groups are physically almost indistinguishable; the ‘Turks’ of Western Anatolia look remarkably like the ‘Greeks’ of the Aegean Islands.
That’s because largely, they are the same people. The ‘Turks’ are largely composed of those descendants of the indigenous inhabitants who converted to Islam at some point, while, the ‘Greeks’ are composed of the descendants of those indigenous inhabitants who never converted. To cite one example, in 1821, 47% of the inhabitants of Crete are estimated to have been Muslim, ‘mainly of Greek origin, with some Turkish ancestry through intermarriage with the small number of Turks who settled in Ottoman Crete.’
They’re all the same people. Nobody ‘took’ anything from anybody — or to be more precise, you certainly won’t improve matters by deciding that these people are ‘Greeks’ and so should have this particular stretch of land rather than those people who are ‘Turks.’
‘And it’s not so much a function of primitiveness as it is a function of relative strength. When you are outgunned by an attacker, you will resort to any means at your disposal to ward off the attack and liberate the homeland.’
Something like 9/11, then — or the Beslan school massacre.
…or, as the captured terrorist says in Battle of Algiers, when reproached for planting bombs in baskets in cafes, ‘give us your bombers and you can have our baskets.’
…or, more relevantly, to cite one example, the Fallschirmjager on Crete were distressed to discover that the locals had castrated those German wounded who had fallen into their hands and gouged out their eyes — or whatever — and proceeded to shoot a batch of the local menfolk.
Oh well. It’s not like one side magically becomes the good guys and the other the villains. If only.
Interestingly, I actually give the Cretans some credit. The German occupiers erected a memorial to one of their battalions that had suffered particularly horrific losses in the 1941 landings. As of 2015, anyway, it was still there. The locals had debated tearing it down, but after some discussion, had decided to leave it up.
That showed a certain sense of chivalry we seem to have lost.
I agree with every single word of your comment.
I can’t even stand the thought of these filthy termites anymore……. All of them, every single one of them…get the fuck out of our countries.
You need to get a grip buddy.
You’ve sponged up so much Kike propaganda at this point in your life…..your not really even worth or deserving of the truth.
Good luck SpongeBob.
Jews love you….
Nope. My point is pretty simple. Based on the preponderance of the available evidence, the International Association of Genocide Scholars concluded that the Turks committed genocide against the Greeks… and put their seal on their resolution which commemorates it. They did not, however, conclude that Greeks committed genocide against the Turks and, therefore, there is no resolution with their seal on it. See the difference?
Well, you asked me:
So I did, and took some amount of time doing so, and you can’t even acknowledge it. Right away you get defensive. Not a good showing, geocat. Let’s remember the definition of atrocity. Do atrocities become less monstrous or more acceptable if the perpetrator can claim to be an innocent victim? All civilians are innocent. Once one commits an atrocity, one is no longer innocent — because atrocities are completely unnecessary and unhelpful as a way of protecting or saving oneself or others. In the case of the Greeks, it just brought on more German reprisals, killing more innocent civilians, which was legal under the conventional “Rules of War.”
Do you think Hitler, or any German, wanted to invade Greece? Of course not. He had no choice because of the choices of others. Why did Greece ally with Britain? The thread can be followed back as far as you want to go.
F–k Genocide Scholars! A bunch of Jews. You have become a big fan of genocide scholarship suddenly … or were you always? It seems as soon as it suits your arguments in favor of Greece and Greeks. I think the issues of blame can be discussed without resorting to the endorsement of “genocide” for every tom, dick and harry on the planet.
‘Nope. My point is pretty simple. Based on the preponderance of the available evidence, the International Association of Genocide Scholars concluded that the Turks committed genocide against the Greeks… ‘
Okay. So, since the Greeks were victims of genocide, it would follow that there are no Greeks. Is that your position?
…and ‘The International Association of Genocide Scholars’? Seriously?
Are there Turks in Crete now? How many in Athens? Salonica? Salonica used to be a third Turkish. Kemal Ataturk was born there. Any idea of what might have happened?
That’s a great question. I must admit until very recently I thought I knew the answer to that question. But seeing how things have unfolded over the last seven decades, I’m not so sure anymore. If I could rewind the tape, I’d implore the European nations to resolve their disputes in a more amicable manner. I’d show their leadership what the future of their societies would look like if they chose to wage war. And I’d remind them of their eternal enemy hiding behind the curtains orchestrating their ultimate undoing. If the leadership of Britain, France, Germany, and Greece could see the extent to which their homelands have been destroyed, I’m convinced they’d join forces and turn their arms against their common enemy.
Regarding the Greeks, they were never asked if they wanted to be invaded. Like the Ukrainians of today, they were thrust into a war that was not of their choosing. And like the Ukrainians, the Greeks were the pawns of the grand chessboard. Few realised the real power that was directing the pieces across the chessboard.
I, too, had no clue of this manipulation until I recently read this passage from Benjamin Ginsberg’s How The Jews Defeated Hitler (excerpt from p. 110):
I’m sure there are similar Jewish figures in today’s Ukrainian military resistance, leading the ethnic Ukrainians into the meat grinder. Kolomoisky and other Jewish oligarchs who have armed the hapless ethnic Ukrainians and convinced them they must defend their homeland against the Russian aggressor. Meanwhile, the real goal is to establish a Second Israel.
So, were the Greeks duped into mounting a resistance against the German invasion of the homeland? I’d answer that question with another question… were the Germans duped into attacking Poland to liberate the peoples of Danzig?
It seems many European nations were being duped in the past and unfortunately they are continuing to be duped to the present day.
What has become completely transparent by now is that Europeans must resist being duped and confront their eternal enemy. Only then can they restore their homelands to the healthy ethno-states they once were and should remain in perpetuity.
Huh? You seem a little confused about the definition of “genocide.” It doesn’t mean the complete extermination of an ethnic group, but the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation, with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
‘Huh? You seem a little confused about the definition of “genocide.” It doesn’t mean the complete extermination of an ethnic group, but the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation, with the aim of destroying that nation or group.’
It seems to me I’m all too clear on the definition of ‘genocide.’
‘Genocide’ would be acts of wholesale murder perpetrated by Turks against Greeks, but not acts of wholesale murder perpetrated by Greeks against Turks.
There is documented evidence that Turks forced large numbers of Pontic Greeks on long death marches into the Anatolian desert interior. These were civilians (children, women, and old men), not fighting age men.
Are you suggesting that Greeks marched Turkish civilians on long death marches? If so, present your evidence of such.
‘Are you suggesting that Greeks marched Turkish civilians on long death marches?’
Indeed. So far as I know, the Greeks never killed Turks that way. So as long as you don’t do in your victims via long death marches, it’s cool?
Here you go: ‘Greek atrocities in Anatolia.’
https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.greek/c/KHlutjFNwyk
This is a part 3. Presumably, there’s a part 1 and 2. It doesn’t especially interest me — but you knock yourself out.
I was interested to learn who was responsible for publishing this 3 part article on “Greek atrocities in Anatolia”.
It appears it was published by a group called the Centre for Strategic Research in Ankara. This group relied on the work of a professor named Salahi R. Sonyel and an individual named Cagri Erhan.
By the way, I typed in the search words “Greek atrocities in Anatolia” in my search engine and absolutely nothing popped up except for this 3 part article put out by this Turkish government-funded think tank.
Not very reassuring.
Oh, now you know everything – since just recently you’ve read a paragraph by a Jew named Benjamin Ginsberg saying what you should have known all along – you’ve become a genius who can advise the European nations.
Well, HOW do they resist being duped? Get smarter? That would help. But if you’re speaking of the ‘leaders’, who do change around regularly, they’re all doing what they do in full knowledge of the outcome; they’re not being “duped.” They are all communists – today called globalists – who are placed there for us to vote on in our fair & free elections. So what else have you brought to the table?
You won’t answer a question directly, but you skirt around it. You pretend the answer is difficult to find, like Colin does.
No to the second question, a question mark to the first question because I don’t know what the Greeks wanted. They were/are communist-sympathizers going back a long way, thus easily taken over by Jews and Jewish rhetoric. I think I know what the Germans wanted, and so going into Poland to free the German people there (and while they were at it, to reclaim German territory stolen by the Versailles Treaty to which they were not a participant, but had forced on them by threat of starvation –another atrocity) was necessary. The Poles resisted with the help of Britain, and Britain-France declared war on Germany, and that set the stage for what came next. The Germans knew the score, thus they were not duped. You answer about the Greeks; if not you, who?
Greece tries to hide itself in Europe and get a free ride, while it plays both sides. I wrote a great deal about it during the financial crisis. Greece should never have been allowed in the Eurozone. They and they alone have made it unworkable. Germany was against it. Liberal Britain and all the Jews were for it. You see who won. So don’t try to stuff Germany into your Greek idea of what ‘Europe’ is — and make Germany equally responsible. Modern Europe is a creation of Britain and America, neither of which are in Europe. Germany remains an enslaved country. It’s only Germany I want to free — it will do the rest.
Sorry if I sound snippy when you are trying to be friendly. My impatience gets the better of me.
I’ll answer any question you put directly to me. I don’t skirt.
Here’s how they resist being duped…
You say it is only Germany you want to free. I completely sympathise, as I, too, would like to see Greek sovereignty restored. But this will never happen if we permit our eternal enemy to continually pit European nations against one another. We saw how easily they accomplished their objectives during both world wars. They’ll do so again in WWIII, IF the European nations don’t put aside their differences long enough to adequately address this persistent and existential threat. They’re on the brink of destroying our ethnic homelands and they’ll succeed if we don’t join together to stop them.
Just like the warring Greek city-states put aside their squabbles and came together to resist the Persian invasion at the Battle of Thermopylae and saved Western civilisation, the European nations must muster the will to come together to confront this menacing threat and save our ethnic homelands. They can then go their separate ways.
I rank honesty and integrity above snippiness and friendliness.
You’re joking, right???
“…If the leadership of Britain, France, Germany, and Greece could see the extent…”.
The German leadership most certainly recognized the common enemy, and the Germans battled valiantly to overcome and defeat it.
It was all the other countries that fought against Germany that were, and remain, duped.
It took awhile but now the chickens are coming home to roost. The victorious Jews are managing to turn all western countries into cess pools.
The Germans certainly recognized they had an enemy because they had experienced first hand how subversive the Weimar Republic years had been. But nobody – neither the Germans nor the other European nations – realised how deep the enemy’s tentacles spread into the other Western European nations. This turned out to be both a surprising and the deciding factor.
I should’ve appended “and European-derived nations” at the end of this sentence.
I still believe the Germans knew how badly the Jews had infiltrated so many leading positions, hence the German assertive actions to ensure that in each job category Jewish representation did not exceed the % of Jews in the population.
Banking, newspapers, book publishing, theatre, were overrun by Jews. The statistics are still available now.
In the USA the Jewish over representation is now so bad that it is practically impossible for a white person to get a job in those areas.
Henry Ford of automotive fame wrote about this in his newspaper.
In the USA the Jews now buy any government representatives and browbeat, threaten, bribe, blackmail, even murder, etc. etc. them to do the Jews’ bidding.
The query of the day is how to change this. I don’t have the answer; but home schooling your children, borrowing money from relatives or life insurance companies if you must, and voting for carefully considered candidates, may be the way to start a “quiet revolution”.
This is not an answer to the question, even as worded by you. It’s simply a restatement of the problem, or of the goal to be reached, without a “how” attached. So you’ve still brought nothing constructive to the table. You say “the European nations must muster the will to come together to confront this menacing threat” of the invasion of our homelands with non-Europeans, and you certainly mean non-Christians & non-Whites (dark-skinned people). But, as I already stated, all the leaders voted in by “our” people approve of the policy of allowing invaders to “migrate” into the West. They use so-called Christian beliefs and ‘human rights’ beliefs, and something called International Law, to bolster that policy. So what to do, how to go about it, in a practical way? You don’t have a clue.
You are, in fact, hampered by your allegiance to the idea of Greece (a nation of only 10.5 million people) being on an equal footing to Britain, France, Germany. In comment 1317 you lump them together:
You mean, if they could see it as you see it. But they don’t because they serve different interests. It’s these different interests, which have grown increasingly powerful SINCE WWII, that have to be taken on. Who will do it?
What stands out clearly to me is that we must re-evaluate WWII and our accepted history of it, FIRST. And you, geokat, as a Greek-American, where do you stand on Greece’s policy that it is owed reparations from the Federal Republic of Germany? Just like the Jews, just like the Poles, also the Greeks. THAT means continuing the scapegoating of Germans for imaginary crimes that only Germans get blamed for, and which has resulted in a non-authentic, far-left Germany as the central power in Europe. To correct the false narrative that everyone is using to ‘cover their own ass’, we all have to be willing to engage in revisionist historical investigation and try to accept what the updated facts tell us.
Also from 1317:
Nice words, but I would add that Pogo’s advice was the best: “We have seen the enemy and he is us.” This is universal wisdom; it applies to all equally. Following Pogo’s advice is my “how” solution. Every nation that wants to continue as a nation must examine itself and its role, in the light of the latest findings, and stop pointing the finger at someone else. At least until it has digested its own unpleasant, unappealing, even evil reality.
So the main pivot point, even though many could be found, is WWII … seen in the light of honesty.
Good summary of the situation; thanks Carolyn!
I would add that Germany should stop making payments to the EU until the “reparation” nonsense is settled, and the sabotage of the NS pipeline has been clarified.
If anyone has an interest, the following is my latest article http://www.wearswar.com/2022/10/14/the-fate-of-hungarian-jews-at-auschwitz-birkenau-the-real-story/.
This article resulted directly from my correspondence with Fran Taubman on this discussion thread concerning the fate of the Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
I guess I’m just clueless, huh?
Since you’re prodding me to go into the HOW even further, I’ll say this…
Like all Western nations, Germany has been and continues to be flooded with non-Germans. They gave Angela Merkel an award for taking in millions of non-Germans. For me, the flooding of our countries with non-Europeans is a crisis of epic proportions, and while discussing the niceties of WWII is interesting, it pales in comparison to this existential threat.
As for solutions to this crisis, I’ll say this. awhile back I posted a video of a beautiful German teenage girl who was imploring the German men to protect the German women and girls from being harassed and taunted when walking along the streets of any random German town.
My solution is this… when enough of our sisters, daughters, mothers, grandmothers get assaulted on the streets of our homelands, most of the indigenous people will begin to wake-up from the spell that was cast upon them and finally come to the realisation that diversity isn’t a strength, but a deadly poison. This will be the beginning of the end of the bogus concept of multiculturalism, pushed on us by Jewish Supremacist Organisations, who resolved that Never again! meant saying “goodbye” to blood and soil and “hello” to multiculti.
They first threatened us with communism and when that failed they now threaten us with multiculturalism.
We have one common eternal enemy.
So, the main point is not WWII but the threat of the deadly concept of multiculturalism… seen in the light of truth.
‘…In the USA the Jewish over representation is now so bad that it is practically impossible for a white person to get a job in those areas…’
Well, no. On the whole, that’s an exaggeration, and like most exaggerations, making it doesn’t strengthen the underlying argument.
White gentiles will be accepted in most fields; even in those circles where an absolute majority of the ‘in’ group are Jews, you’ll usually find a white gentile or two.
What is true is that Jews will dominate the discourse, and impose their values and perceptions, and you’ll be out unless you conform to those values and perceptions. We see this in academia and the media all the time.
For white gentiles in many areas these days it’s a bit like dot-Indians in Edwardian England. Certainly they were welcome — even in the highest circles. They just had to conform perfectly to British values and expectations.
People tacitly understand this. If they’re hoping for tenure at wherever, they know they’d best not say certain things or even think certain thoughts — not unless they want a very rough ride. And those taboos they mustn’t violate are imposed by Jews. Jews don’t monopolize the inner circle — but they do set the rules.
You said you were going to tell us HOW the European nations can “come together and resist being duped.” You haven’t. I’ve pointed out that all the Euro leaders are good with the Jews–no problem with Jews, problem with antisemites–yet you think they can agree that Jews are the problem. So where is your plan? How do you move it forward? You don’t have one, never did, never will.
LOL. Sorry to say, but you’re a clown.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/10/14/jewish-assimilation/ This article about self-deception/self-delusion will probably be showing up here on Unz pretty soon. If not tomorrow already.
I looked through this article and didn’t see anything new in it. It’s a repetition of the “no gas chambers – insufficient cremation capacity – aerial photos showing no activity at the time the Hungarians would have arrived, etc. IOW, no evidence of anything unusual going on at A-B at that time. But nothing about where the Hungarian Jews went or might have gone after arriving at Auschwitz-Birkenau. No questioning of the total number of Jews transported. Nothing new at all.
Did I miss it? Please let me know if I did. Because if I didn’t, then the title you gave your article is misleading — The FATE of the Hungarian Jews – the Real Story. We still don’t know their fate, except that they were probably transported around a lot and are now among the thousands of survivors. Eighty years later, many have already passed away naturally. We know five who starred in Steven Spielberg’s academy award winning documentary. But that is the point Fran Taubman was getting at.
Hmmm, I did say “practically impossible”.
Agreed that it is somewhat of an exaggeration, but only mildly so. The impact of Jewish control, which I was alluding to, is truly astounding as to the impact this has on lives everywhere.
But thanks for detailing the impact this has on the general discourse for the American public, which relies on the Jewish controlled mass media to make life-impacting decisions.
Jews do, often, monopolize the inner circle; it depends on what inner circle it is. But they also now set ALL the rules of American and European society – ALL of them. And they enforce them too. Media is a good example of their enforcement arm, just one of them. People who think they’re going to overthrow the Jews will find out just how entrenched they are.
I wish you and Deutschland the best of luck…
Auf Wiedersehen
You write about my article: “But nothing about where the Hungarian Jews went or might have gone after arriving at Auschwitz-Birkenau. No questioning of the total number of Jews transported. Nothing new at all.”
My response: What was new for me is that I researched for the first time the actual cremation capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau, and I read several of the pro-Holocaust books written by Randolph L. Braham, David Cesarani and other pro-Holocaust historians.
The authors of the book “The Holocaust in Hungary” (which Fran cited) acknowledge the fact that there was not enough cremation capacity at Auschwitz-Birkenau to kill all of the Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau. They write: “The Nazis’ main problem: they were killing more people in the gas chambers than they could burn in the furnaces. The crematoria simply could not keep up with the task.”
Thus, according to these authors, the Germans decided to burn many dead Hungarian Jews in open pits. However, this burning of dead Hungarian Jews does not show up in Allied pictures taken at the time of the alleged extermination of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that the mass execution of Hungarian Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau did not take place. This is the actual fate of the Hungaraian Jews at Aushwitz-Birkenau.
As to the questions of how many Hungarian Jews were actually transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, and exactly where all of these Jews ended up, I have found nothing definitive on these questions. Do you know of any books or articles that give definitive answers to these questions?
Pathetic for H deniers. The most pro Holocaust article, one could only lead to the conclusion that the Jews were gassed and cremated after the selection process at Auschwitz. The Rudolf / Lechter pseudo science is from 1997. Prussian blue has been run over by a scientific mack truck. You cite the 437,000 Jews transported from Hungary from June to August 1844, less than 20,ooo were registered as prisoners. Some were transported to other camps. (all German and Hungarian statistics PROOF OF TRANSPORTS). 300,000 Hungarian Jews vanished from planet earth from June to August 1944, on the day they arrived at Auschwitz. You provide no proof that they are alive, no transports recorded. Old people and children do not just show up someplace without identities, or recorded train transports. Did they call a cab? The body disposal was solved by not cremating the bodies waiting for one to complete before starting another. Instead the system became incinerating the bodies one after the other simultaneously, feeding It is explained with German and Topf notes as well as John Zimmerman’s article of body disposal called The end of Holocaust denial Did yo not understand that part of the story. Body disposal was a one step forward, one step backward approach (sometimes there was not enough capacity so design modifications were implemented). Body disposal at Auschwitz was thoroughly covered and one that I researched and presented to you many times in this thread. You also state that the crematoriums were for Typhus. Since the transport of the Hungarian Jews which Eichmann ordered and oversaw along with many design specs to increase burning and killing capacity as a requirement. Was there any mention of a Typhus epidemic in June to August 1944? For all of the correspondence from the German command to Topf and sons, for spec changes. Not one mention of Typhus?
Did you not say John that the crematoriums were for Typhus?
Only one conclusion is possible. Those selected to go for showers in the crematoriums, never left the crematoriums. They were gassed and incinerated. The vanished the day they arrived.
You know John while I am not a Holocaust historian. I spent an exhaustive amount of time researching the subjects in your article and meticulously presenting the facts to you on this thread. I showed you a recent book on the Hungarian Jews from 2013 that you had never seen. There is knew information both scientifically and historically that has come about after further digging by historians with the sole purpose of refuting Holocaust denial. So my presentation to you of facts was in direct rebuttal to Rudolf, the Prussian blue, and the Leche crematorium expert at the Ernst Zundel trial, who was discussing the complete crematory process of burning without fire touching the bodies. This was not what took place in Auschwitz, as explained by many sources that I cited.
Your article is an insult to the facts that I presented to you. A complete denial of the knew evidence. You like Carolyn just said, are just repeating old, very old facts. These facts have been successfully challenged, and I brought further documentation of what was expected of Auschwitz for the Jewish transports. I also presented to you the irrational decision to transport the Jews from Hungary in June of 1944. What was the reason? There was no resettlement plan? They transported the Jews from Hungary to murder them. If they wanted labor help they could have selected the labor from the Hungarian ghettos, they did not need to transport old and sick people, and toddlers.
Don’t you feel as a historian you need to address:
-Why were the Jews transported to Auschwitz after being placed in Ghettos in a super managed way. They Jews secure and presenting no danger to the Germans. If the Germans needed labor, why not take them directly from the ghetto in Hungary. As a historian you need to explain why the old, sick and toddlers were transported to Auschwitz so late in the war.
-Where are the resettlement plans for the Jews from Auschwitz? Where were they going to be resettled ?
– Where are the train transports of any of the Jews that left the crematorium after their showers. Many were part of their family transports. where many of their family had been registered in the camp. Where did the toddlers go without their parents, with only their grandparents? Who cared for these people? and where?
– You completely lack documentation of the protest from foreign governments and the pope, begging Hungary not to transport the Jews to Auschwitz. Why?
– Why do you ignore the new science proving that Prussian blue is not a reliable source for proving cyanide?
As mentioned this is not a accurate historical review of the new evidence presented to you on this thread.
In the “exhaustive amount of time” you have spent on the Hoax, you must have seen that Kanye says: “Real Holocaust has never been tried!”
Historians reveal Israel’s use of poison against Palestinians
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20221011-historians-reveal-israels-use-of-poison-against-palestinians/
You write: “The Rudolf / Lechter pseudo science is from 1997. Prussian blue has been run over by a scientific mack truck.”
My response: The latest edition of Germar Rudolf’s book “The Chemistry of Auschwitz” is from 2017. This is 20 years later than your date of 1997.
Germar Rudolf’s work certainly does not constitute “pseudo science.” Rudolf would have a PhD in Chemistry if Germany allowed freedom of speech and inquiry. Instead, Rudolf had to spend several years in jail in Germany simply for writing his Rudolf Report.
I assume the “scientific mack truck” you are referring to is from Dr. Richard J. Green. For Germar Rudolf’s refutation of Dr. Green’s work, please read pages 347-354 of Germar Rudolf’s book at
https://archive.org/details/the-chemistry-of-auschwitz/page/353/mode/2up.
Or, if you like, you can read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160.
You write: “Body disposal at Auschwitz was thoroughly covered and one that I researched and presented to you many times in this thread.”
My response: What you presented to me on this subject was total nonsense. John C. Zimmerman was a tax accountant who was not qualified to write on this subject.
For an extremely detailed response to Zimmerman’s article “Body Disposal at Auschwitz”, I suggest you read pages 87-194 of Carlo Mattogno’s article titled “An Accountant Poses as Cremation Expert” in the book “Auschwitz Lies”.
You write: “Only one conclusion is possible. Those selected to go for showers in the crematoriums, never left the crematoriums. They were gassed and incinerated. The vanished the day they arrived.”
My response: The problem with your statements is that there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
The alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau could not have been used to exterminate hundreds of thousands of people as described in pro-Holocaust literature for numerous reasons: 1) they did not have escape-proof doors and windows; 2) they did not have panic-proof equipment; 3) they did not have technically gastight doors and shutters; 4) they had no provision to quickly release and distribute the poison gas; and 5) they had no effective device to ventilate or otherwise render ineffective the poison gas after the execution. (Source: Rudolf, Germar, The Chemistry of Auschwitz: The Technology and Toxicology of Zyklon B and the Gas Chambers—A Crime-Scene Investigation, Uckfield, Great Britain: Castle Hill Publishers, 2017, pp. 174-175).
By contrast, Germany built highly sophisticated and expensive disinfestation facilities at Auschwitz-Birkenau to kill lice and save inmate lives. By one estimate, the SS at Auschwitz spent almost $1 billion in today’s values to bring the typhus epidemics raging there under control. (Source: Ibid., pp. 175, 293).
An enormous amount of information exists concerning the German delousing facilities. See, for example, the article at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-73_Berg.html. However, no similar information exists regarding the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
The roof of the semi-underground Morgue #1 of Crematorium II at Birkenau, which is said to have been the building’s homicidal gas chamber, remains intact to some degree today. Contrary to the testimony of some eyewitnesses, this roof has no Zyklon-B-introduction holes. This has been acknowledged by pro-Holocaust researcher Robert Jan van Pelt. Since it is impossible to close holes measuring 70 x 70 cm from a concrete roof without leaving clearly visible traces, it is certain that Zyklon-B-introduction holes never existed at Crematorium II. Consequently, Zyklon B could not have been introduced through the roof at this morgue, and Crematorium II was never used as a homicidal gas chamber.as claimed by pro-Holocaust historians.
Only one conclusion is possible: There were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
You ask: “Why were the Jews transported to Auschwitz after being placed in Ghettos in a super managed way. They Jews secure and presenting no danger to the Germans.”
My response: The following is from an email I received from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum on October 9, 2022:
“While facing overwhelming odds and risking their lives, individuals from all walks of life fought Nazi terror and helped rescue those in danger. This included thousands of Jewish and non-Jewish partisans, who were armed resistance fighters deployed across occupied Europe. Below we share stories of Jewish partisans who sabotaged Germans and their Axis partners.”
So, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum thinks that Jewish partisans constitued a threat to the German war effort.
Finding himself backed into a corner, he saw an opportunity to cut and run … and took it.
Glib words do not accomplish anything. Work – effort – discipline – is necessary to make any ‘idea’ move the (very stubborn) status quo.
I share a hope that “Ye” can break through the frozen ice of ‘holocaust belief’ held in place by Jewish mass media. He seems truly inspired, yet also canny enough to go slow, without retracting anything. I thank you for picking up on it; we all need to do so where possible to keep it alive and newsworthy.
His main goal, of course, is to expose Jewish power by speaking about it. But the “Jewish Holocaust” is irrevocably attached to that.
Please do not misrepresent my words written to John, and mis-apply them as supporting your mistaken supposition that the facts of the “gas chambers” and crematoriums have been “successfully challenged.” You are dead wrong in that, and that’s why few pro-holo-historians still try to defend the “gas chambers” or the numbers.
Other than that, I intend to stay out of this debate between you two. I find fault with John’s answers too. He does not know how to land a knock-out punch.
I don’t cut and I don’t run.
I have no issue corresponding with you or anyone else for that matter, as long as they commit to doing so with a modicum of respect.
The choice is yours.
No, that there was no mass execution is NOT the “actual fate” of the H. Jews at A-B. NOT.
Are you saying they were still all alive in 1945 when the Germans abandoned the camps? No, you’re saying nothing about their ‘fate’ — because you can’t find anything in a book to copy from. You would never, from your own acquired knowledge venture to reason and deduce what likely, or probably, was the ‘fate’ of these H. Jews. No, no, you simply take what you can find from others, and then put your name at the top. Okay, you’ve read a lot of books and it takes time to select the info from them all, we know that. Congratulations on that score.
I guess the reason Arthur Butz’s “Hoax …” is my favorite revisionist book, is that he’s not afraid to draw conclusions from what the facts suggest. The FACTS … not his own personal ethical conventions. So I still maintain that you don’t fulfill the promise of the title you’ve given your article. That’s all.
BTW, I came across Braham (real name Adolf Abraham, born in Bucharest, Romania) quite a number of years ago in connection with something I was writing, and got some helpful quotes from him, but I don’t remember what it was about. I wish I could find that but so far nothing comes up. Might have been for a podcast. I’m still hoping some memory might arise (from the dead, haha).
The truth cannot always feel as respectful as the correspondent demands. It’s quite a balancing act to juggle sometimes between ‘the truth’ and a ‘respectful attitude.’ You said yourself ‘Integrity’ was most important to you. Integrity = Honesty. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/integrity
Also, “sticks & stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me.”
You write: “No, you’re saying nothing about their ‘fate’ — because you can’t find anything in a book to copy from.”
My response: All right, what was the fate of the Hungarian Jews?
I respect your choice.
‘…Only one conclusion is possible: There were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau.’
That may be. I’m skeptical; but it could be.
But I’ll point out that one can grant whatever you wish about Auschwitz — and the Holocaust could still have happened substantially as described.
If there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, I think it is safe to say that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any other German camps during World War II as well. Without homicidal gas chambers, the so-called Holocaust did not happen substantially as described.
‘If there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, I think it is safe to say that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any other German camps during World War II as well.
That doesn’t follow at all. You might as well argue that therefore, the T-4 program didn’t happen.
Yet you know perfectly well it did. You even insist that it did. Anything at all could have been or not been at Auschwitz. That doesn’t determine what existed elsewhere.
‘Without homicidal gas chambers, the so-called Holocaust did not happen substantially as described.’
You don’t even get that. If I am to be put to death, it’s substantially a matter of indifference to me if you gas me, shoot me, or hang me. You could even club me to death or slowly starve or me to death (though I’d rather you didn’t). The Holocaust could have substantially happened minus any gas chambers at all. We don’t say the Rape of Nanking didn’t occur because there were no gas chambers, or point out that the Soviets didn’t erect gas chambers in Silesia or East Prussia.
The only real issue is whether the Germans attempted to do in all the Jews who fell under their control, and to what extent they succeeded. If they took several million Jews away, and those Jews never reappeared, then I’m going to say the Holocaust substantially happened.
If you want to argue about cyanide residue in old brickwork in Auschwitz, go for it. I don’t see it as substantially affecting the issue.
‘…Below we share stories of Jewish partisans who sabotaged Germans and their Axis partners.”
So, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum thinks that Jewish partisans constitued a threat to the German war effort.’
That raises an interesting question.
To what extent were the Germans reacting to a legitimate threat from the Jews of Eastern Europe?
Were Jews disproportionately represented among the partisans, etc? There are some excellent reasons they should have been. As the response of Serbs to Croatian ‘ethnic cleansing’ demonstrated, killing anyone you can find does tend to lead to the intended victims fleeing into the woods; having fled into the woods, the survivors often take up arms and become bandits — and incidentally, Partisans. Jews were associated with the Communists, and would have disproportionately answered the call to resist the German invader. Jews were disproportionately Commissars; and since Commissars were explicitly to be shot out of hand, Jews among the masses of cut-off and straggling Red Army troops would have urged resistance rather than surrender — after all, resistance wasn’t an option for them. Finally, where gentile soldiers and refugees could often merge into the general gentile population, this wasn’t necessarily an option for Jews. Ivan can just bum some clothes and become another working hand in the village. Shlomo? The villagers may not be so welcoming.
But, on the other hand, the Holocaust Museum may be reacting to the shame implicit in the notion that Jews didn’t resist. Indeed, the whole brutal ‘He-Jew’ mentality of Israel can be seen as a reaction to that unpleasant truth: ‘we just let the Germans round us up and herd us away.’ That cowed Jewish child with his hands in the air may be an object of pity — but he’s hardly somebody to take pride in.
So what was the reality?
In connection with this, Ordinary Men recounts how the first killings of Jews led to a great many Jews fleeing into the woods and trying to survive in dugouts, live on nuts and berries, etc.
Of course it didn’t work very well; especially come winter, the woods of Eastern Europe aren’t a very hospitable place. Pathetically, Jews would even eventually come out of the forest and give themselves up at checkpoints to find out whether John Wear or I was right.
But more to the point, Ordinary Men recounts how Reserve Police Battalion 101 would have to sweep the woods to find all the Jews hiding there.
Across Eastern Europe, as the wave of killings spread, there must have been hundreds of thousands of such refugees — and surely, some proportion of them would have taken up arms, if only to rob outlying farms of food.
When the Germans hunted them down, yes, they would be carrying out the Final Solution. But they would also be suppressing banditry and even Partisan activity. The two could well have merged.
For obvious reasons, Jews were almost uniformly against the Third Reich. For more information about Jewish partisan activity, you might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184.
‘For obvious reasons, Jews were almost uniformly against the Third Reich. For more information about Jewish partisan activity, you might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8184.’
I read over your piece: the material has value. However, I’d make two criticisms.
First, why accept Judy Batalion’s anecdotes of heroic Jewesses? We don’t buy all the other improbable claims of Holocaust survivors. Surely the same skepticism should be extended to tales of seductive Jewesses shooting German officers in their headquarters with silenced pistols and escaping undetected, etc.
One can see Judy Batalion soliciting and then willingly imbibing every third-hand fantasy she could find. I once had a worker who claimed one of his ancestors had served in the one part of Czechoslovakia the Germans never conquered.
There was no such place, of course — but he believed it. Someone had felt like telling such a tale, and others had felt like believing it. My suspicion is that some, most, or all of the worthy Judy Batalion’s anecdotes fall under this heading.
This shit isn’t what happens. For example, a Russian partisan woman did take out a gauleiter…but she did it by pretending to be a maid and planting a land mine under the mattress when she changed the sheets. Not as romantic — but decidedly more believable.
On the other hand, your more credible stories of partisan activity do fit my understanding of what could have and did happen — but here the Jews are often unimportant or missing entirely.
Yes, we have tales of heroic Jewish resistance fighters — but they’re pretty obviously partly or entirely fictional. And yes, we have actual accounts of partisan and resistance activity — but not many Jews in those. We need to focus on the material that combines both: credibility, and Jews. For example, just as a hypothesis, I’d be impressed by a German count of partisans caught carrying arms that recorded fifty three out of the two hundred and nineteen as being Jews. An operation to clear a shtetl that had to be delayed to bring up artillery to suppress resistance?
I’m the guy who suggested the possibility of a Jewish role in partisan activity in the first place; I’m perfectly open to it having been real. But I’d like to see credible evidence of it.
What we have at the moment are the last-minute stands in Warsaw and some of the other ghettos — of rather unimpressive scale, to be frank. There were also some concentration camp uprisings of similarly modest dimensions. However, those were a consequence of German persecution rather than the cause of it. What do we have in the way of Jewish partisan and resistance activity that preceded or occurred concurrently with German measures? The Germans always claimed the Jews were partisans. How much truth was there to that?
“Multiculturalism is not about making societies better. It is about bringing the story of the White man to a close.
In one form or another, this realization will be the defining idea of this century.” – Andrew Joyce
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I am not writing about “the fate of the Hungarian Jews,” you are. It’s not my job to do your job for you. However, I did make a couple of suggestions in comment 1335: “they were probably transported around a lot and are now among the thousands of survivors. Eighty years later, many have already passed away naturally. We know five who starred in Steven Spielberg’s academy award winning documentary.” IOW, they were dispersed to various work camps, of which there were many, doing various types of labor, while also playing soccer or engaging other activities in their free time, until they were liberated in 1945. Pretty ordinary stuff. The Hungarians were not even incarcerated for all that long a time. They had a short visit.
How about Elie Wiesel’s family? His two older sisters are recorded as being registered at Auschwitz, undergoing quarantine for several months before getting the all clear and being transported to a labor camp for women near Dachau. [There are no similar records for Elie or the rest of his family, so I have questioned whether they were ever sent. If they were, it was not anything like Elie writes in “Night.”] One report says the older of the two sisters worked in the kitchen, which was considered a plum job. She married an Algerian Jew and went with him to Paris after liberation. The younger sister was in a DP camp in Germany until she got permission to emigrate to Canada. They both met with Elie in Paris during the time he was in the Jewish Boy’s Orphanage system, near Paris. This would be a common scenario for all the “survivors” who were filling up Europe at the time. They picked up other languages from being around so many others. Some went to Israel, many to the U.S. and Canada, some to Switzerland, Sweden, UK and many, many other countries. Very few wanted to return to Eastern Europe from where they had originated; the future there didn’t seem very desirable. And soon, Soviet Communism had taken over. Elie remained lounging around in Paris until he (or someone) decided he could go to New York, USA. He immediately had Jews there assisting him with everything. [See https://www.eliewieseltattoo.com/questions-on-elie-wiesel-and-the-sorbonne/]
Did these ‘survivors’ demand they stay together with their family members, because they were so close and bonded? No. They saw a better life beckoning, and easily went for it. Most of them didn’t know any relatives beyond their immediate families. All the wailing about extended family members is BS.
The other point is that you, John, unquestioningly accept two highly questionable jewish sources – Braham and Cesarani – I am familiar with both – for the number transported from Hungary and go from there. How poor is that?! But it’s totally typical with you. Unless proven to me, I do not believe that many Jews arrived at A-B in those few months. It would have been pandemonium UNLESS they were indeed killed immediately which you prove, via others, did not happen! So are you being internally inconsistent?
I’ve come to think it could be said that the Jewish “Holocaust” is mainly a matter of wildly inflating numbers. What a bluff they’ve pulled off. It’s what’s meant by Chutzpah.
You write: “First, why accept Judy Batalion’s anecdotes of heroic Jewesses? We don’t buy all the other improbable claims of Holocaust survivors. Surely the same skepticism should be extended to tales of seductive Jewesses shooting German officers in their headquarters with silenced pistols and escaping undetected, etc.”
My response: I discount the claims of most Jewish “Holocaust” survivors because they don’t have much credibility. If you like, you can read the following articles I wrote on this topic:
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7237
https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/6243
https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/4/7562
I don’t have Judy Batalion’s book in my library, but as I recall the Germans put Niuta Teitelbaum on their wanted posters, and eventually hunted Teitelbaum down and executed her for the murders of German officers she had committed. The Germans fully corroborate what Judy Batalion was writing in her book. We have both the Germans and Judy Batalion saying the same thing in regard to female Jews who used lethal resistance to fight the Third Reich.
You write: “The other point is that you, John, unquestioningly accept two highly questionable jewish sources – Braham and Cesarani – I am familiar with both – for the number transported from Hungary and go from there. How poor is that?! But it’s totally typical with you. Unless proven to me, I do not believe that many Jews arrived at A-B in those few months.”
My response: I referred to Braham and Cesarani in the first two paragraphs of my article for the number of Jews pro-Holocaust historians estimate was transported from Hungary to Auschwitz-Birkenau. However, I never said in my article that I agree with their estimates.
Like you, I think the number of Hungarian Jews transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau was far less than these traditional estimates. However, since neither you, I, Dr. Arthur Butz nor anyone else knows the actual number of Hungarian Jews who were transported to Auschwitz-Birkenau, I did not dicuss this issue in my article.
You write: “The Holocaust could have substantially happened minus any gas chambers at all.”
My response: Without homicidal gas chambers, we can conclude that Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Chelmno, Belzec, Treblinka and Belzec were not camps where genocide against Jews occurred. We can conclude this because Jewish “Holocaust” survivors claim that Jews were mass murdered in homicidal gas chambers in these camps.
Without homicidal gas chambers, about all that is left of the so-called Holocaust is the alleged Holocaust by bullets. However, as I document in the following article, the Holocaust by bullets is also a scam. https://inconvenienthistory.com/13/1/7720.
Why am I not surprised?
Wikipedia: ‘…Her story was told in the 2021 book The Light of Days: The Untold Story of Women Resistance Fighters in Hitler’s Ghettos by Judy Batalion.[11][12] The veracity of some of the claims about her life and activities have been questioned, among others by Polish historian Leszek Żebrowski…’
My guess is that she did plant the bomb in the theater, and maybe shot a random German on the street. The rest would be invention — like the evil deeds of Doctor Mengele.
‘My response: Without homicidal gas chambers, we can conclude that Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, Chelmno, Belzec, Treblinka and Belzec were not camps where genocide against Jews occurred. We can conclude this because Jewish “Holocaust” survivors claim that Jews were mass murdered in homicidal gas chambers in these camps…’
So to take Treblinka…
A million-odd Jews went in — but only a few score are recorded as having gone out.
Where do you think they went?
You write: “So to take Treblinka…A million-odd Jews went in — but only a few score are recorded as having gone out. Where do you think they went?”
My respnse: Please read my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/ for my answer.
Evidently many of the thousands who went in later went on tour grifting the HoloHoax: https://judaism.is/holocaust.html#eyewitnesses
Question posed for consideration…
The “Orthodox” narrative of the Holocaust…
Critically analyzed, scientically, logically,
and philosophically.
Does it or does not constitute
Hate Speech?
This is really a poor answer, John.
1. By using the numbers taken and sourced to Braham and Cesarani, without questioning, you imply, if not outright state, that they are acceptable to you.
2. Comparing yourself to Arthur Butz, in that he did not give an actual number of Hungarian Jews that were transported to A-B, does not answer the question of inflated numbers, WHICH YOU DID NOT BRING UP AT ALL. No one knows the ‘actual number’ or will ever know. All we have to know is that it’s nowhere close to the 450,0o0 claimed. This in itself puts the “Hungarian Jews question” to rest. We can’t be expected to “explain” what never happened in the first place. That’s why Butz called it a hoax in 1977, something you would not have done in a million years.
I will say that I have noticed that you like to ‘agree’ when someone else states something that you are afraid to say first. That’s why you’re so liberal with the “agree” button. You will ‘agree’ but you won’t, on your own, go out on even the slightest limb to move our knowledge of holohoax truth forward. You play it safe. Well, that’s just your personality. You chose to be an accountant, after all.
I do commend you for your courage to always reply here and not run away. You tolerate a lot. Wish you well.
So, tell me what you think I should have said in my article.
If I had said that the actual number of Hungarian Jews sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau was far less than stated by pro-Holocaust historians such as Randolph L. Braham and David Cesarani, I would need something to back up my statement. I don’t have anything that is definitive. Anything that I would have said would have been pure speculation. So I decided not to discuss this issue.
Re: my website eliewieseltattoo.com, that I mentioned in comment 1362 — I’m now realizing that much more than I ever allowed about Elie Wiesel & his family are just lies. The whole fabric of his “story” is riddled with falsehoods and simply made-up on the fly. His sister Hilda, living in Paris since 1945 (she would be 100 this year, so is probably deceased), told a lot of fibs to go along with her brother and his famous life story. I do believe his son, Elisha, wants to honor his father but doesn’t want to get involved in the whole sordid tissue of lies his father involved himself in.
I’m specifically referring to the stories about Wiesel’s life in the A-B and Buchenwald camps, in which he either was not there at all, or had a completely different experience than he wrote about and told about. I personally lean to his not being there at all. Whether he was or wasn’t is relevant on the basis that the literature we use as the basis of our criticism may be completely false, yet it’s all we have on which to base our own critical writing. (!) I believe the reason some are not anxious to uncover this, to probe further, is that it may make some of their previous writing and books irrelevant! This is human nature … understandable, but unhelpful.
I believe now that the false nature & elements of the Hoax go even deeper than we’ve already seen or understood. It is truly almost unfathomable, which means even more people are resisting the truth coming out than we have so far realized. I think we have to be more bold and daring than we’ve been up to now. I think so highly of Arthur Butz because, for his time (1977), he looked in different areas, in new ways, more than anyone else to my knowledge. We need that innovative independence still today.
I understand. That is the way your write your articles – everything has to be sourced. You are boxed in by that, but also comfortable with it. I don’t write that way so I can speculate whenever I want. I’m not in favor of wild or unfounded speculation (like I accuse Colin Wright of), not at all. But reasonable questions about the basis for the so-called “accepted” narrative should be asked, probably more than they are, by everyone.
I have commented on how we accept the Jews’ language; we accept so many of their premises too. We accept that our job is to prove them wrong using their rules and “facts.” I read the two articles you just today or yesterday linked to, and they were going in a good direction but they didn’t go far enough, or maybe deep enough. Truthfully, they are easily forgotten.
How difficult would it be for you to write a few different type of articles than the ones you’re known for? It would be an interesting experiment, at least.
‘…Does it or does not constitute
Hate Speech?’
You say that as if hate speech were something that should not be permitted.
‘…My respnse: Please read my article at http://www.wearswar.com/2019/03/23/what-happened-to-the-inmates-of-the-aktion-reinhardt-transit-camps-of-treblinka-belzec-sobibor-in-poland-can-the-allies-version-be-trusted/ for my answer.’
I read it. Meh.
1. You imply that the million Jews who were sent to Treblinka were sent on to other locations, but that the Allies managed to destroy all documentation of that fact. In support of that, you proffer examples of Soviet dishonesty and their efforts to hide their killings at Katyn.
But those efforts proved unsuccessful. Bureaucratic states generate an enormous paper trail, and even the most assiduous efforts to find and erase it all prove unsuccessful. When the Soviet archives were opened in 1991, definitive proof that the Soviets had carried out the killings at Katyn was found. This in spite of the fact that the Soviets had had nearly fifty years to purge their records of all evidence of their deceit.
Yet you would argue that the Allies, confronted with the mass of captured and presumably scattered German records, both could have and would gone through all that and erased every trace of a million people being moved elsewhere.
In concrete support of that idea, you offer one (1) specific example of an elderly Jew who was initially sent off to Treblinka and yet wound up in the Minsk ghetto (which, I will point out, wasn’t exactly a holiday resort itself).
Conversely, let’s suppose you’re right; Treblinka was a transit camp. Then where were the staff, the buildings? Why would the Germans have felt it necessary to completely destroy and hide all traces of an ordinary transit camp?
Is it not possible that Treblinka was an extermination camp? That it was so small because few who arrived lived for more than a few hours thereafter? That the Germans destroyed it so thoroughly because they wanted to hide all evidence of what they had done? That there are few records of Jews leaving Treblinka because few did? That there are no records clearly contradicting this version of events because this version of events is what happened?
Now hang on a minute here. I am not saying anything about gas chambers and crematoriums when agreeing with you. You said this.
This is what I was agreeing with you on. The ineptness of John’s article. John’s title “The fate of the Hungarian Jews is misleading”. There is no fate of the Hungarian Jews revealed. John never proved or provided evidence to what happened to the missing 300,000 missing Jews. Not even close.
Your constant questioning of the numbers and amounts of Jewish transports to Auschwitz from Hungary is a little far fetched, Like you and Butz have some grand conspiracy which explains this phenomena of the missing Jews. Like lets start with the questioning the numbers of Jews transported, not the end result. Let us find some minutia in the transports and question the entire transport of the Jews. Typical denial bullshit. Trim around the edges and find that there were maybe only 10 missing Jews, not 300,000. Then you will not have to deal with what happened to them, and you can pass go and return to the Prussian blue scenario. NO cyanide no gassing.
Unless you are a magician, I would suggest you take a look at the numbers. The war was pretty far down the road in 1944, the Germans were loosing the tide was turning. People were watching. No earthly reason to transport the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz with the enormous logistics, expense, and just plain insanity with the world watching. This after ghettoization. Eichmann insisted on transporting every Hungarian Jew from Hungary, never once explaining the why. The Hungarians, and foreign observers were very aware of what the Germans were doing to the Jews, even if you question it and reject it. People were watching. The Hungarians were aware of possible war crimes and saved every memo from Eichmann. Do you think people are stupid Carolyn with regards to genocide and what awaited the perpetrators after the war? Why do you think the Germans blew up the crematoriums.
Every transport had the name of every Jew, the train, the train number, the ghetto that the Jews came from, the amount of food for the transport, the calculation of fuel, and what each Jew was allowed to take on the train. The descriptions of the hysteria at the overcrowded train stations inside of Hungary. Diplomats employing the Germans not to transport the Jews. What Jews you may say? How many Jews you may ask?
Fucking look it up yourself Carolyn all the facts are ready available and cross verified with many sources. There were 800,000 Hungarian Jews in 1944 when the Germans invaded Hungary. The Jews felt safe, relieved that they had dodged the worst of the war. Then came the inexplicable transportation of 437,000 Jews from Hungary to Auschwitz from May to August of 1944. Check the Auschwitz statistics on registered prisoners during that time period. There were many other transports of a Jews from Auschwitz to other locations and camps. These are listed, and every Jew transported and accounted for. Every single Jew was accounted for. Not many Jews were transported from Auschwitz to other locations, but if there were they are noted.
At the end of the day 300,000 Jews are missing. Jews that arrived and not selected for camp registration went into the crematoriums for showers, then inexplicably vanished. No further transports for relocating those Jews to anywhere on the planet is recorded. Certainly even to someone as deep into denial as you would realize that if the Germans relocated these Jews, many toddlers and older sick Jews. They would have advertised it on a billboard. Saved those transport records and made triplicates. For sure it would have eliminated any speculations that the Jews were gassed and murdered in those crematoriums. Now mind you Jews were working in the crematoriums at the same time of the transports. What were they doing? They were cremating Jews. Which jews? Not Typhus victims. No. They were cremating the Jews that had just arrived for their showers. Smoke stacks doing what smoke stacks do when burning, pouring smoke into the sky. Does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
What is it that you do not understand? The Jews that were not selected and registered as a prisoner of Auschwitz were sent to the crematoriums to die. They vanished, never seen again.
You are reaching. Look up the Jewish definition of holocaust in Wiki.
John Wear is absolutely correct with his assertion: “No homicidal gas chambers, no holocaust”.
If we were to follow your line of reasoning, what happened to all those bodies? Recall that the existing crematoria were insufficient to cremate all those alleged, bodies; Franny’s Cut and Paste attempts to argue, unsuccessfully, with scientific principles notwithstanding.
You ask: “Is it not possible that Treblinka was an extermination camp? That it was so small because few who arrived lived for more than a few hours thereafter? That the Germans destroyed it so thoroughly because they wanted to hide all evidence of what they had done? That there are few records of Jews leaving Treblinka because few did? That there are no records clearly contradicting this version of events because this version of events is what happened?”
My response: There is a way to prove that Treblinka was not an extermination camp. We could simply perform a complete forensic examination of the camp.
All historians agree that there were no crematoria at Treblinka or any of the other Aktion Reinhardt camps. According to Holocaust historians, the bodies of people gassed at Treblinka were first buried in mass graves. The bodies were later exhumed and burned in the open air.
The mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka would have left huge amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that mass exterminations of inmates did not take place at Treblinka.
Defenders of the Holocaust story have sometimes used forensic archaeologist Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls and her limited excavation work at Treblinka to prove that Treblinka was an extermination camp. An analysis of her work shows that she fails to prove that Treblinka was an extermination camp. See https://archive.ph/wnzto.
Of course, we could have an international team of experts do a complete forensic examination of Treblinka. This would enable us to know approximately how many dead bodies remained at Treblinka. However, this will never happen, because then everyone would know that Treblinka was not an extermination camp, and no where near 870,000 people were murdered at Treblinka.
You might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291 for more complete information as to what happened to Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps.
Maybe the airplanes were grounded the day these photographs by the Sonderkammandos took these photographs. They are famous John, shot from the hips inside the gas chambers as they could not hold the camera to their faces for fear of being seen. Gemar Rudolf says these photos are “fake”. Rudolf has never seen the photographs or the negatives. I saw in his book he blew the photos up until they were pixels. LOL. These photographs have been verified. Taken by a smuggled in Leica camera, by a Greek Sonderkammando.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs
In 1933 international headlines proclaimed: “Judea Declares War on Germany”.
Please point to a similar headline between 1933 and 1939 that proclaims: “Judea at Peace with Germany”. It doesn’t exist!
And Jews get bent out of shape because:
Germans had the gall to imprison those Jews who were a threat to Germany and the well-being of its citizens?
And executed those Jews, in accordance with international agreement, that took up arms against Germany behind German lines?
I know, I know, everything is Germany’s fault. It must be true because we have been told this unceasingly for the last 100 years. Some people believe anything.
Us skeptics will repeat, with our last dying breath: “Show us the authenticated forensic evidence to support your assertions of Germany’s atrocities, and do so in an impartial court.
These lies are not only the Jews’.
In the harbour of Rotterdam, Holland, is a memorial to 32,000 alleged victims of German bombing. I knew this to be a lie and checked Wikipedia which is definitely not friendly to anything German. And yet it is written therein that 800 or 900 people (I forgot which) were killed during that unfortunate bombing incident.
I think that Germany should re-arm to the teeth with the very latest and greatest weaponry including nuclear, declare neutrality, go back to the Deutschmark currency, and do what it does best: Produce high quality goods and services for sale around the world.
Franny, you really need to take some time to read and UNDERSTAND the stuff you Copy and Paste.
“…I mean at some point your rationals have to make sense. The expense of shipping the entire Jewish population of Hungary to Auschwitz makes no sense, unless you wanted to murder them…”.
To paraphrase a little: The expense was only worthwhile if the intent was to murder them. If the plan was to kill the lot, the cheapest way would have been to simply round them all up and let the weather take care of them. Little expense!
You know, as was done with German soldiers in the Rhine Meadows Camps.
Consequently your Jewish logic is exactly wrong! That shipment makes only sense if the Jews were to be used for work. The kind Germans shipped the entire family so that they could be together in the work camps.
‘…You might enjoy reading my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/2/7291 for more complete information as to what happened to Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps.’
Your claims here are badly undermined by the nature of the first source you cite:
‘…The German policy of resettling Jews in the areas of Europe east of Germany is supported by the demographic studies of Eugene M. Kulischer. Kulischer, who was a member of the International Labor Office in Montreal during World War II, published in 1943 the book The Displacement of Population in Europe.[3]…’
The guy is writing about what appears to be happening to the Jews, from Canada, in 1943.
What’s known then? That the Germans are deporting the Jews, and that they’re being sent east.
So that’s what he reports. It hardly demonstrates that they weren’t in fact being killed when they got there. After all, the Germans went to some lengths to disguise what was intended for the Jews. For example, trains leaving from Hamburg with that city’s Jews had a car of agricultural implements attached to the back. Of course, the more critically-minded workers in the rail yard noticed that the same car of agricultural implements always came back — to be attached to the next train.
…but from Canada in 1943? Yes, the Jews were being resettled in the East. That’s what the story was.
So? It’s like me writing a report on Covid deaths in China. I go to the Chinese government website, and I find out that 9242 (or whatever) people have died of Covid in China.
Fine. Of course, I have other sources of information that might cause me to be skeptical of that figure. But the Canadian? Writing in 1943? Well, this is what he could find out.
It’s not a source that demonstrates anything at all.
‘…In the harbour of Rotterdam, Holland, is a memorial to 32,000 alleged victims of German bombing. I knew this to be a lie and checked Wikipedia which is definitely not friendly to anything German. And yet it is written therein that 800 or 900 people (I forgot which) were killed during that unfortunate bombing incident…’
Yes — but you see, that undermines your very point.
No one still thinks that many people died in the bombing of Rotterdam. It wasn’t so, and so it was possible to demonstrate that it wasn’t so. You might find someone to argue for 1100 or whatever these days — but no one’s going to stick to the fantastic figures bandied about in the past.
Compare and contrast to the Holocaust. No one’s ever been able to demonstrate where all those Jews went, if the Germans didn’t kill them. Has anyone here found even a single Jew for me from the Jews who were deported from Corfu? There were 1700 or thereabouts — how about 1242 specific survivors?
Not one? Whatever should we think?
You write: “They are famous John, shot from the hips inside the gas chambers as they could not hold the camera to their faces for fear of being seen.”
My response: We have been over this before, but I will respond to you again.
First, how do you know these pictures were shot from inside the homicidal gas chambers? I hope the lethal Zyklon B poison gas was still not in the air at the alleged homicidal gas chambers when these pictures were taken. Also, my quote from John C. Ball refers to air photos–not photos taken on the ground.
More importantly, what do you think these photos prove? Carlo Mattogno has written a book titled “Auschwitz: Open Air Incinerations”. On the front cover of this book is one of the pictures you show in your comment number 1380. Dr. Arthur Butz also shows one of these photos on page 74 of the ninth U.S. printing of his book “The Hoax of the Twentieth Centrury.” Revisionists are fully aware and acknowledge in their books that these photos exist.
There were times when the crematoria were not available to cremate the bodies at Auschwitz-Birkenau. On page 57 of his book “Auschwitz: Forensically Examined”, Cyrus Cox writes that outdoor corpse cremations at Auschwitz-Birkenau occurred in the second half of 1942 as a result of the apocalyptic typhus epidemic which broke out in early 1942. Pictures similar to the ones you show us could have been taken at this time.
Carlo Mattogno writes on page 46 of the most recent edition of his book “Auschwitz: Open-Air Incinerations”:
“So what do we really see on these images–I deliberately avoid the term ‘photographs’?
1. An area with some 7-8 meters wide
2. Eight men involved in the cremation
3. Some 30-40 corpses ready to be burned.”
Mattogno goes on to state that these images agree perfectly well with the cremation of a few dozen corpses of detainees who died in the camp. They do not indicate or prove a program of mass extermination of Jews at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
John Zimmerman wrote a knockout rebuttal to Carlo Mattogno, which also addresses the Sonderkommando photographs of 1944. Do you live in a time warp John? Unless you do what Carolyn says by “going bold”. What she is really saying is, you are going to have to make stuff up. Because currently John Holocaust denial is dead. Finished. You will need to start over, that is what Carolyn is saying. Go back to the beginning, because the smoke, crematorium, gassing, Prussian blue, is over. Holocaust denial as you have written is done, finished.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/
Have you read Eugene M. Kulischer’s book? If you haven’t read it, I don’t think that you can conclude that “It’s not a source that demonstrates anything at all.”
Also, is there anything else in my article that you disagree with? Or did you stop reading my article because I used a questionable source at the beginning of the article?
The Sonderkommando photographs I posted earlier refuted by Mattogno and refuted by Zimmerman.
Finally, Mattogno challenged my reference to the well known photo of Sonderkommandos burning bodies in the back of Krema V. I stated that there were 14 Sonderkommandos visible on the photo. I specifically made the point that this photo — which was published under the auspices of the Auschwitz State Museum — shows more Sonderkommandos and bodies than previous editions of the photos. Thirteen Sonderkommandos can definitely be identified in the photo while a shadow in the background may be an additional Sonderkommando. Mattogno writes (Reply, 3):
This too is false The photograph in question shows only 8 persons (almost certainly prisoners) standing , and a 9th on the left,29 who is probably a guard. As I have explained in My Banned Holocaust Interview, this photograph doesn’t only not demonstrate, but refutes the story of mass cremation of “gassed.” This lie serves to advance the number of prisoners in that photograph of “25 Sonderkommandos”, declared by Filip Muller.
This comment by Mattogno tells us a great deal about his careless methodology. Rather than actually going to take a look at the photo to see if I had represented it correctly, he simply made an uninformed statement. The reason was obvious: the expanded edition of the photo was published in 199330 while Mattogno’s comments on the issue in My Banned Holocaust Interview were made in 1996. He did not want to admit that he was not familiar with the photo.
In 1996 he cited the incomplete version of the photo — even though the expanded version mentioned here was available in 1993 — as “not show[ing] hundreds of men from the Sonderkommando, or thousands of bodies, but rather, eight men in the midst of about thirty cadavers; that is all. Not only does this therefore fail to confirm the mass extermination thesis, it decisively refutes it.” 31 In fact, Mattogno has completely misrepresented the true context of the photo.
First, it is impossible to tell how many Sonderkommandos were involved in this burning operation because the total area of Krema V is not shown in the photo. For all we know, there could have been an additional hundred Sonderkommandos dragging bodies from Krema V. It is impossible to tell how many additional Sonderkommandos and bodies were involved because the photo simply does not cover the total relevant area from Krema V to the pits. As I noted in the study camp documents show that there were a total of 900 Sonderkommandos assigned to the 4 crematoria in two 12 hour shifts on July 28, 1944. (Body, 41)
Second, and more importantly, it is impossible to tell how many bodies are being burned because smoke is obscuring the pits. For all Mattogno knows there could have been hundreds of additional bodies being burned. The photo shows about 50 cadavers — not the 30 claimed by Mattogno from the incomplete photo — which have not yet been burned. The thick smoke from the photo shows that a significant burning operation is underway. This means that there were many more bodies than the 30 mentioned by Mattogno. What is particularly instructive about Mattogno’s method of argumentation is that he used the fact that there is smoke obscuring the true dimension of the burning operation to argue that the burning did not really involve that many prisoners. This is quite typical of the way deniers argue.
It might also be noted that this burning did not take place during the Hungarian operation — which occurred from mid May to mid July 1944 — but in August 1944.
You write: “Do you live in a time warp John?”
My response: No, I read both standard Holocaust literature as well as revisionist Holocaust literature. I stay up to date on both.
Oh they did, did they? The Jews like to say this, and make up stories that are eventually proved false, of the Germans’ crafty methods to hide what they were doing. On the contrary, I would say that the Germans were pretty much out in the open with everything. Roosevelt was far more secretive with the American people than Adolf Hitler was with the Germans.
So where does the story about the agricultural implements railcar attached to every transport come from? You can’t expect us to just believe you. Exact source, please. Was it a Jew who reported it? That makes a difference to me. I tend not to believe Jews because they’re chronic liars. You probably read it in a book, and the books you read tend to be by Jews. At least any books about the “Holocaust” would be. You cannot argue on such an important topic with such flimsy anecdotes.
Another thing you forget is the gas chamber problem at Treblinka. The literature trying to support the idea of homicidal gas chambers there is embarrassingly juvenile and downright silly. Are you familiar with it? I suppose not. Maybe you should look into it if you’re going to come among well-read people on a subject and argue for things you’re ignorant about. You really need to read an entire book written by a knowledgeable revisionist author on the Aktion Reinhardt camps so you can get certain stubborn facts through your resistant skull. Maybe something by Fritz Berg — Friedrich Paul Berg. I recommended 4 beginner books to you and you made no attempt to read them, so you probably won’t do this either. But you are ignorant and your opinions are of no value for that reason. You should take this to heart because you’re just bothering everyone.
‘…Also, is there anything else in my article that you disagree with? Or did you stop reading my article because I used a questionable source at the beginning of the article?’
I did stop. I can only plead that I only have so much time, and I’m not about to devote it all to considering the validity of Holocaust Denial.
…in any case, if I were you, I wouldn’t lead off with that reference — or use it at all. It really demonstrates almost nothing.
Oh please Carolyn go big or go home. What was the entire Holocaust a movie script. Maybe there was no real Auschwitz just a movie set. Maybe no real Jews all actors. You tend not to believe facts about transports presented by Jews, well do not worry they were non Jewish Hungarians, and everyones favorite Eichmann.
What a desperado you H deniers are. I vote for the movie set, fake Jews, and fake German SS. Hitler was a real bonafide truth teller. So you do not trust statistics by Jews. Well think about what it is like listening to Mattogno or Rudolf present facts. The king of liars, whose sole purpose is to present the Jews as perpetrators and the Germans as victims. Not to biased?
Are you deaf Carolyn or blind and cannot read? Colin says he is not that into H revisionism. While he hates Jews and blames them for the current mess the world is into, he believes the main stream version of the Holocaust. Get over it. You are not going to convert him. He has other history on his plate that he is more interested in. And frankly you H deniers are dying a slow miserable death, only retards and skin heads, and Neo Nazi’s are interested in it. If you think the world thinks Jews are ugly, just read up on Neo Nazis a group you are a proud member of. Gosh what a delightful group of Jew haters. No one believes in H denial because it is not about H denial it is about a conspiracy involving the Jewish takeover of the world. You would have better luck accepting the Holocaust and moving on to just plain old Jew hatred like Colin. More believable.
Get it thru your head. H denial is gone, finished. You and John sound like a broken records. Butz, Rudolf, Mattogno. Oy vey.
If no one still thinks that, why hasn’t the memorial been removed, or changed? Couldn’t be too difficult to do that.
This idiotic, tone-deaf response to John’s legitimate and perceptive question shows just how UNSERIOUS you are. After weighing in with comment after comment on the topic of “Holocaust Denial,” you admit you refuse to devote any time to learning what it is. That makes you, by your own admission, a complete jerk. There is no other or more accurate word I can come up with to describe you.
You are really a fit companion to Fran Taubman; it’s not an unlikely alliance after all.
Fran, what an instinct you have! I guess, like you say, it’s a ‘woman thing.’ You can have no idea how much I love this piece of music and what it means, meant to me back in the ’70s. (I was late in getting to it.) Thank you for posting it in a remastered version without stupid images along with it. So perfect!
“…Get it thru your head. H denial is gone, finished. You and John sound like a broken records. Butz, Rudolf, Mattogno. Oy vey. …”
In your dreams, Franny. Your shrill denials speak volumes.
You’ve heard this appropriate little English ditty: “Methinks milady doth protest too much.”?
From an engineering and logistical standpoint, NONE of the claims made by holocaust™ “survivors” and promoters is possible.
–Killing jews with “bug spray” (Zyklon B) is not only impossible, but is laughable on its face.
–Transporting jews to “camps”, utilizing scarce energy sources, transportation and logistical difficulties only to kill them is not only problematic but impossible as well. Germany was (and still is) and “energy-poor” country and as such, had to resort to coal gasification and other creative methods for energy. Jews were (and still are) angry that for the first time in their lives, they were forced to perform manual labor.
–Tattooing camp inmates only to kill them is also problematic.
–If the “camps” were truly “death camps” why would medical facilities, recreational facilities, brothels, movie theaters, and other amenities be needed?
–“Gas chambers” with non-sealed wooden doors and the lack of ventilation systems for such facilities, once again, disproves the claims made by holocaust™ promoters. Doors that “swing the wrong way” would make retrieval of the bodies impossible. Ordinary light fixtures, rather than explosion proof lighting fixtures are claimed to have been the norm. At that holocaust™ “showplace” Auschwitz, there is a gas chamber chimney not connected to anything.
–Claims by holocaust™ promoters that gassed bodies were blue or green (rather than bright red) from poisoning are totally false.
–Claims that the inmates could tell when jews were being cremated by the color of smoke emitted from the crematoria chimneys are patently foolish and false.
–Let’s not forget “lampshades, wallets, soap and shrunken heads” made from jews is also laughable.
–Crematoria running 24 hours a day, without “downtime” for maintenance on the muffles and flames “visible out of the crematoria stacks” are also impossibilities. Crematoria are designed to burn “clean” with no visible smoke and definitely no flames outside the stacks would be possible. Not only that, the claims that thousands of bodies were cremated daily are a statistical impossibility as it takes approximately 1.5 hours to cremate a human body. If cremation were used on “6 million” jews, the cremation process would have been operating into the 1950s.
–The lack of depositories for bodies and ashes is more proof that the “camps” were not “death camps” but rather “work camps” for the German war effort.
Let’s not forget that there is a jewish prohibition on the exhumation of jewish remains. I wonder why? Answer: because they do not exist.
–Anne Frank’s “diary” partially written with a ball-point pen which was not invented till the 1950s. Time travel, anyone? lol
Germans were (and still are) excellent engineers and could not have engineered the grievous errors that are claimed by holocaust™ promoters.
Add to that, the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) had full access to ALL of the camps, daily population figures were submitted–no observations of “gas chambers” or death camps was noted.
Hollywood could not have done a better job of perpetuating the big lie–the holocaust™.
Follow the shekels…
‘…You would have better luck accepting the Holocaust and moving on to just plain old Jew hatred like Colin…’
That’s understandable but a tad unfair. I’ve made it quite clear that my problem isn’t with individual Jews — individually I think they’re no worse if no better than anyone else — but with the aggregate effect they have.
That’s not a pose, either. Those are my actual sentiments.
Looks like “my vision” of what might save the West (normies waking up to fact that multiculturalism isn’t a strength, but a colossal weakness) is, unfortunately, gaining steam.
Telegram comment posted by Arminius News:
Here’s a picture of Lola…
Arp! Blood libel!
This version’s not nearly as much fun.
‘Paris suitcase murder: Main suspect in death of girl is 24-year-old woman with ‘psychiatric disorders’
Autopsy found French 12-year-old, identified as Lola, died of asphyxiation’
On the bright side, the woman is from Algeria.
Well you pick and choose, which is understandable when it comes to cosmic Jew hatred. But you miss a lot of conflicting facts. For instance Yeshiva University refused to allow an LGBTQ club to be formed on their campus. The state sued for discrimination. More determined than ever YU canceled ALL clubs campus wide. It is in the courts and may end up in the supreme court. Name one other major university in a major city that has refused to have an LGBTQ club. Yet all of you like to blame the Jews for the decline of the West for their support of “progressive” policies and transgender rights, whatever the catch all is for the declining West it is the Jews fault. Yet a major Jewish University refuses to cave to the LBGTQ community. YU is a religious university, many non Jews go there for law, or medical school, you will be made to feel comfortable no matter what you are, but they are not into promoting a gay life style.
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/17/1123638157/supreme-court-yeshiva-university-lgbtq-club
This post is too stupid for words. Obviously you do not read much with regards to H denial and the list you pose as “impossible” and “laughable”. Scholars have written pro or con on these topics, for years!!! A huge back and forth. Maybe you should keep up with the times.
Many of the things you list like bug spray, transports, and crematoriums can be answered at length at this website. You sound like some functional illiterate hick, “well golly gee where are all the dead Jews”. I could care less, but no one outside of UR is going to give you a tic of credence. Like stupid you.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
“Your” vision ? My, my. Illusions of grandeur.
‘Well you pick and choose, which is understandable when it comes to cosmic Jew hatred. But you miss a lot of conflicting facts. For instance Yeshiva University refused to allow an LGBTQ club to be formed on their campus. The state sued for discrimination. More determined than ever YU canceled ALL clubs campus wide. It is in the courts and may end up in the supreme court. Name one other major university in a major city that has refused to have an LGBTQ club. Yet all of you like to blame the Jews for the decline of the West for their support of “progressive” policies and transgender rights, whatever the catch all is for the declining West it is the Jews fault. Yet a major Jewish University refuses to cave to the LBGTQ community. YU is a religious university, many non Jews go there for law, or medical school, you will be made to feel comfortable no matter what you are, but they are not into promoting a gay life style.’
But isn’t this a bit like refusing to permit illegal immigration — into Israel?
Sure, you don’t want an LGBTQ club — in the Jewish university. For gentile schools, though, it’s a good thing.
In any case, we’re talking past each other. The problem I’m talking about, for example, is when I read some article about transgender horseshit. The author isn’t thinking about it at all, but all four of the four figures he mentions as endorsing it turn out to be Jews.
And if it’s not all four, it’s three out of four — and this is for a group making up 2% of the population. You start to realize how hard that thumb is pressing down on one side of the scale, and wonder where things would be if that thumb wasn’t there. At that point, one realizes that this cannot be tolerated.
So I’m open to a more humane and equitable solution — not to mention one less subversive of what America was supposed to be about in the first place. However, right now the best I can come up with are numerus clausus laws, ghetto benches, etc.
Instead of responding intelligently and refuting my statements one-by-one, you resort to name-calling.
You have lost the argument.
Your PMS is affecting you…
Your holocaust™ fable is going down in flames. You cannot refute my statements as every one of them is true.
From an engineering standpoint the holocaust™ is truly “the hoax of the twentieth century”.
Well if you read both, how come you keep recycling the same facts that have been debunked and proven false, like the open pit burnings used for mass murder are not for Typhus. Or the dismissal by recent scientist disproving Gemar Rudolf’s Prussian blue, or the body disposal capabilities of Auschwitz which major books have been written about? I just do not see one shred of new evidence that you bring up. You have yet to find any crucial evidence regarding the missing Jews, no transport or resettlement records of any kind. Your last article was titled “The Fate of the Hungarian Jews” which was anything but. What was their fate? Did they call an Uber from Auschwitz to pick them up and drive them to Switzerland? Don’t you think it is incumbent of your side to explain what happened to the missing Jews, besides your mantra that there are no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German camps.
I also note as Carolyn pointed out that you press the “agree” button on posts accusing the Jews of the most heinous acts and outrages crimes and lies, but your writing is anything but that, in fact your writing is very mild mannered and and sort of milk toast. Why is that?
With regards to the entire field of H denial, which has gone thru several phases, and until recent research and writings, was somewhat debatable, and required defensive actions by the Jews. What has resonated worldwide especially after the Irving trial, and listen up because this is important, is H denial is not really about the specifics of the systematic murder of Jews by the Germans the attempt at genocide. H denial is engaged in a much more nefarious accusations than fake claims of gassing, and shootings. H denial as pointed out during the Irving trial is an accusation that the Jews were/are involved in a conspiracy to scam the world by faking the Holocaust, and portraying themselves falsely as being victims, and the Germans as perpatrators. That in fact the Jews are alive and well except those that died of diseases .The Holocaust as portrayed by the Jews is a fraud, a scam of enormous proportions. That is quite an accusation Who would do such a thing? What to do with such a group that has/had such power it is though it magically could convince the world of millions of Jews were were deliberately murdered for being Jews.
Holocaust denial is a means to set up the Jews to be excluded them from the rest of humanity, since they must be inhuman to perpetrate such a fraud.
As you know John, the Jews are a much more powerful group than before WW2. World Jewry has enormous clout, shockingly so, even the everyday Jews like me. So do you think that world Jewry is going to let H deniers to prevail? The Jews are going to do everything within their formidable power to expose H denial for what it really is. A criminal accusation of a Jewish conspiracy. I just do not understand the shock that H deniers and revisionist have of the force of Jew power smacking them down. What do you think is going to happen? This is not a free speech issue, and it is more than hate speech.
You wrote an article on the Irving trial, and how unfair it was, how the Jews showed enormous clout, power, and money and how the Judge was biased. How unfair you thought the entire trial was towards Irving. World Jewry is going to come at you with both barrels.
Full disclose, my sister in law’s brother is on the cover of one of Gemar Rudolf’s Holocaust handbooks, I guess he wrote a book. His name is Alex Grobman. My cousin is also a noted Nazi hunter and has been decorated especially in Eastern Europe. Given my age and family history, I am a pretty accurate sample of what you will be up against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efraim_Zuroff
You write: “Your last article was titled “The Fate of the Hungarian Jews” which was anything but. What was their fate?”
My response: The fate of the Hungarian Jews is that they were not killed in homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Assuming they did not die from typhus or other natural causes, they survived their internment in the German camps.
You write: “The Holocaust as portrayed by the Jews is a fraud, a scam of enormous proportions. That is quite an accusation Who would do such a thing?”
My response: Please read my article at https://inconvenienthistory.com/14/1/8187 for my answer.
You write: “World Jewry has enormous clout, shockingly so, even the everyday Jews like me. So do you think that world Jewry is going to let H deniers to prevail?”
My response: World Jewry will do everything in their power to suppress Holocaust revisionists. There is no question about that.
You write: “World Jewry is going to come at you with both barrels.”
My response: Perhaps. I still think I have my First Amendment rights to free speech. After all, I am a born and raised American citizen.
Your inquires are childish. Like first grade level. Do I look like a research library? All of these subjects have been written about several times. You can look for yourself. I gave you a website which has everything you need. I do not need to prove on a 5th grade level, facts that are readily available. If you scroll up to #1248. There is a book on the entire transportation of the Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz 437,000 from May to June 1944? If you were halfway intelligent you would have looked at it yourself. You are asking childish stupid questions. It is called The Holocaust of Hungry
Evolution of a Genocide
Here is some things to google:
–Can a bug spray like Zykon B be used to kill people?
–How were the Jews transported to camps during the WW2
with the scarcity of resources and fuel available.?
Were prisoners in Auschwitz really tattooed. What was the process and method for this. What is the proof that this happened.
Could people tell that bodies were being burned in the crematoriums in Auschwitz from smoke coming out of the chimneys? Did it have a smell?
How did the Germans dispose of the bodies that they gassed in the camps? Where did they put the ashes?
Were the gas chambers air tight? What proof is there of that ? People claim that the doors were wooden and and this rooms could not have been used to gas people.
How did the gas chambers work during WW2. What was the procedures? Is it possible to gas people with Zykon B
You’re right “asphyxiation” sounds much less odious than having her throat slit several times…
Excerpt from Homeless woman ‘who boasted about selling body parts’ is charged with raping, torturing and murdering 12-year-old Lola after the girl was found stuffed in a suitcase in Paris with numbers 1 and 0 ‘placed’ on her corpse:
They did not survive the internment in the German camps, these Jews were selected to die, as viewed in the selection process in the SS photo albums. These Jews were never interned in the camps. The camps could not possibly handle the number of Jews transported. The Jews that were not interned in the camps died in the crematoriums upon arrival. They thought they were going to the showers. These Jews never showed up again, not as prisoners, not as people transported else where.
You can run but you cannot hide from those facts. You cannot produce one name on the list of transports from Hungary to Auschwitz that were not registered in the camp. Not one Jew. What do you think happens in a crematorium? A shower? Seriously?
You play with words a lot, semantics. Free speech has limitations. You cannot write “kill all black people”. You can talk about gas chambers, and cremation till your hearts content. But you cannot accuse the Jews of fraudulently creating an entire myth about the attempted genocide of the Jews by the Germans. You cannot accuse the Jews of faking documents and evidence to support the claims that millions of Jews were murdered by the Germans for being Jews. That is criminal. That is not free speech. Accusing the Jews of lying about dead people, is a criminal offense, it will always be a criminal offense. Think about what you are saying, when you cannot find one missing Jew.
‘…Free speech has limitations. You cannot write “kill all black people”. …’
Sure you can write it.
Kill all black people.
Voila.
‘…I also note as Carolyn pointed out that you press the “agree” button on posts accusing the Jews of the most heinous acts and outrages crimes and lies, but your writing is anything but that, in fact your writing is very mild mannered and and sort of milk toast. Why is that?’
You’re going to have to make up your mind. Elsewhere, you berate John for excess.
‘Free speech has limitations. You cannot write “kill all black people”. ‘
Which is John guilty of and to which do you object to? Artificial restraint or flamboyant extremism?
‘…You cannot produce one name on the list of transports from Hungary to Auschwitz that were not registered in the camp. Not one Jew…’
I’d watch it. If you set the bar there, he probably could get over it; I imagine the Germans missed a Jew or two.
The issue would be whether he could produce oh, say, ten thousand names of survivors from those listed as transported to but not registered in the camp.
As usual, Franny has the cart before the horse. Must be that great big Jewish mind at work!
She and her tribe accuse the Germans of having perpetrated the greatest crime ever.
When the defenders against these accusations offer reasonable explanations as to what probably happened, she wants proof for the proffed defence! Never mind that all those allegations have been proven to be impossible, using scientific, engineering, and logistic, principles!
Sorry Franny, that’s not how it works in the real world.
You are the accuser. You provide the proof that shows “beyond a reasonable doubt” that your accusations are true.
You have been unable to do so, hence the constant Copy and Paste crap from you.
Others have broached the subject of the missing Jews. If they had a few thousand names they would post it on a billboard. That is the entire point they have nothing. The Germans had nothing. You had an arrival platform at the train station. Jews were selected for labor were interned in the camp as prisoners, those not selected went to the crematorium for showers and vanished. This was in the context of a family, where the grandmother, and or siblings would go to the crematorium, and a one or two other family members were interned in the camp. You can bet a lot of money that those Jews who saw their relatives disappear tried to find out what happened to them. Wouldn’t you try and find out what happened to your mother or father, brother or sister? And guess what they were told, by other camp members, by the SS, by the Sonderkammandos. The Jews were gassed and cremated, you could see the smoke and flames after the transports arrived. This same story has been told by thousands of people. What is the point in denying this? It is so obvious. People saw their mothers and fathers disappear on the day they arrived. Yet John insists that they are somewhere, because there are no gas chambers. Odds are if you going to a crematorium you are going to be cremated.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/ruth-webber-describes-the-auschwitz-crematoria
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/miso-michael-vogel-describes-the-crematoria-at-auschwitz-birkenau
‘…But you cannot accuse the Jews of fraudulently creating an entire myth about the attempted genocide of the Jews by the Germans. You cannot accuse the Jews of faking documents and evidence to support the claims that millions of Jews were murdered by the Germans for being Jews. That is criminal. That is not free speech. Accusing the Jews of lying about dead people, is a criminal offense, it will always be a criminal offense…’
That’s an interesting theory. So — say — if people claim only 25,000 people died in the bombing of Dresden, that would be a criminal offense?
Suppose I say ten million did not die in the Ukraine famine? That it’s a gross exaggeration to claim the Japanese murdered 400,000 Chinese in ‘the Rape of Nanking’? After all, some Japanese deny the Rape of Nanking happened at all. What if I don’t think all that many Cherokee actually died on the Trail of Tears? Would it be a criminal offense to voice my opinion? However did we reach the conclusion only 800 or 900 died in the bombing of Rotterdam? Surely it was a criminal offense to deny 70,000 had died?
…or is it a matter of the victims not being Jews? Is it a crime to deny mass murder if and only if the victims were Jews?
You write: “Others have broached the subject of the missing Jews. If they had a few thousand names they would post it on a billboard. That is the entire point they have nothing. The Germans had nothing.”
My response: All historians agree that approximately 15 to 16 million Germans were expelled from their homes after World War II. No historian has ever documented exactly where they all went. So, does this mean that all of these missing German expellees died? Of course not.
Probably about 2.1 million of these Germans expellees died. However, no sane person would say that 14.5 million of these German expellees died because only a small number of these Germans can be traced.
This is the same logic you are using in regard to the missing Jews. Because we can not trace where all of the millions of Jews who passed through the German camps went, does this mean that all of these Jews died? Of course not.
You and your last post are beyond cynical bordering on stupid. You are not creating a web site called
“How to kill all black people” and then writing a book about it. No one will publish a book called “how to Kill Black People in 5 Easy Lessons”
End of free speech.
Your other really silly beyond cynical bordering on stupid is:
Not even close. If you set up a scenario where the bombing of Dresden never happened, that it is a myth perpetrated by the Germans to accuse the US and UK of murdering German citizens en masse in a pre planned plot. So in fact you there are no dead Dresden citizens, but you continue to assign murder charges to high ranking US and UK officials. Start a website, and write books about the deliberate murder of German citizens, assign blame, name names, and fake CIA data etc. That would be a criminal offense.
If you make accusations of plots involving faked deaths, manipulation of facts, torturous confessions, and outward lies to imply that the Germans never murdered Jews in a pre planned desire to genocide them, and the Jews made it up as a conspiracy to manipulate humanity. That is also a criminal offense.
Now I am done with this, so please do not start hair splitting with stupid “what ifs”. If you do not get it sorry I cannot help you, because your examples are really, really stupid.
H deniers are setting up the Jews for a scenario of a repeated Holocaust.
That is not even close to an apples to apples. If the allies or the US rounded up the expelled 15 to 16 million (I have heard 5 to 6 million) and confined them into ghettos, stripped them of their citizenship, took all of their money and kept them confined for maybe a year or so, after which the US claimed that they were resettling them in Switzerland, but 7 million or so were missing, and never heard of again. One could logically assume that they were murdered. Especially after eyes saw these people go into crematoriums to take a shower and never come out. Those expellees are not in Switzerland, they are not anywhere.
The Germans had the Jews under lock and key, they did not expel them from any country. They kept them as captives, took away their jobs, money, home and any Jurisprudence known to the civilized world, and under a dictatorship were considered null and void due to bad genetics.
Was there free speech under the Third Reich? If you spoke out against your Jewish neighbor being taken away, or disagreed with the politics of the Social Democrats, you were put in prison, and maybe murdered, just for expressing displeasure with the way the government was being run. That is what you want your free speech to defend?
Listen to Ruth Webber John, this is the way it went down. Story after story. What is it you do not understand?
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/ruth-webber-describes-the-auschwitz-crematoria
or try this guy.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/miso-michael-vogel-describes-the-crematoria-at-auschwitz-birkenau
How did you make out with your google research?
What did you find out about the Zykon B as bug spray
and can you gas humans with it?
The tattoos? (I admit I took a sneak peak at this myself, those tattoos were painful!!)
Gas Chamber seals and doors?
Transporting of Jews to camps?
Body disposal? Ashes?
Anything of interest you need to report?
All you have to do is copy my questions into the google window on your computer or whatever search engine you have. You will be so surprised how the world of the Holocaust will be at your fingertips.
You are welcome. Any other questions you may have google!!!
You write in your comment number 1418: “Others have broached the subject of the missing Jews. If they had a few thousand names they would post it on a billboard. That is the entire point they have nothing. The Germans had nothing.”
My response: The Germans and Holocaust revisionists do have evidence of thousands of Jews who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau.
The fate of Anne Frank, who is known around the world for her famous diary, is typical of many Jews who died in German camps during the war. Anne, her sister and father were first deported from the Netherlands to Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1944. Anne’s father, Otto Frank, contracted typhus and was sent to the camp hospital to recover. He was one of thousands of Jews who remained at Auschwitz-Birkenau when the Germans abandoned the camp in January 1945. He survived the war and died in Switzerland in August 1980.
If Auschwitz-Birkenau had been a place of mass exterminations, why would the German authorities leave behind thousands of disabled Jews such as Otto Frank to testify to their genocide? The SS would have easily been able to gas and cremate these Jewish inmates in crematorium V at Birkenau during the first week of January 1945.
Elie Wiesel also mentioned in his book “Night” that he had surgery on an infected foot in January 1945. The German authorities at Birkenau gave Wiesel and other hospital patients unfit to travel the option to remain in the camp. Wiesel and his father decided to evacuate Birkenau and travel to Buchenwald with the Germans rather than be liberated by the Russian army. Wiesel is another famous alleged survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Viktor Frankl’s book “Man’s Search For Meaning” has been ranked by the Library of Congress as one of the 20th century’s 10 most influential books in the United States. Frankl described his experiences at Auschwitz in this book as if he had spent many months there. In reality, Frankl was in Auschwitz only for a few days in October 1944 while in transit from Theresienstadt to a sub-camp of Dachau.
Frankl has admitted this to the American evangelist Robert Schuller: “I was in Auschwitz only three or four days…I was sent to a barrack and we were all transported to a camp in Bavaria.” Frankl’s short time in Auschwitz is substantiated by the prisoner log from the sub-camp of Dachau, Kaufering III, which listed Frankl’s arrival on October 25, 1944, six days after his departure from Theresienstadt. Thus, Frankl’s descriptions of his long stay at Auschwitz in “Man’s Search For Meaning” are false and inaccurate. Frankl is another famous survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Primo Levi was a Jewish Communist who one would think would have been executed at Auschwitz-Birkenau. However, along with about 7,000 to 8,000 additional disabled Jews, Levi was left behind in Auschwitz. Although the Germans could have executed Levi and the other Jews in a few days, the Germans let them survive to tell their story about Auschwitz-Birkenau. Levi is another famous survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau.
As previously mentioned, large numbers of children survived Auschwitz-Birkenau. These children would not have survived if Auschwitz-Birkenau had been a place of mass extermination of Jews.
The large number of Jewish survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau and other German camps makes impossible a program of genocide against European Jewry. These Jewish survivors include many children who were obviously too young to be good workers and contribute to the German war effort. Dr. Arthur Robert Butz writes in regard to the large number of Jewish survivors of the so-called Holocaust: “The simplest valid reason for being skeptical about the extermination claim is also the simplest conceivable reason; at the end of the war they were still there.”
‘Probably about 2.1 million of these Germans expellees died. However, no sane person would say that 14.5 million of these German expellees died because only a small number of these Germans can be traced.’
Indeed. But in the case of the German expellees, enormous numbers of them can be traced. There were large leagues of them in post-war Germany. There were and are associations dedicated to perpetrating the culture and language of Sudeten Germans, the Danube Swabians, et al.
Can you come up similarly numerically impressive associations for the survivors of the Jews of Bialystok, etc? I suspect you can’t. I’d argue that’s because while a very large proportion of the German expellees survived, the same can’t be said for the Jews of Bialystok et al.
In contrast, isn’t it true that a very large percentage of the Jews who fell under German rule can’t be traced? That’s the point.
‘My response: The Germans and Holocaust revisionists do have evidence of thousands of Jews who survived Auschwitz-Birkenau.’
The examples you provide strengthen some doubts I have about Auschwitz.
But this argument can be turned on its head. If you can find evidence of thousands of Jews who survived Auschwitz, how about Jews who survived Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor? Supposedly, between four hundred and five hundred thousand Jews were sent to Belzec. Yet only seven survivors are known.
If not thousands, why not at least hundreds? Why only seven?
You write: “In contrast, isn’t it true that a very large percentage of the Jews who fell under German rule can’t be traced? That’s the point.”
My response: The Jews who survived the so-called Holocaust can be traced by the large numbers of Jews who have received reparations for their pain and suffering during the war.
The New York Jewish publication Aufbau documents that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war was over if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?
As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimates that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that over 2.9 million Jews had received BEG restitution claims by January 1984.
The number of 2.9 million Jewish claimants understates the number of Jews who survived World War II because, as of 1985, Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust survivors” around the world in 1985 had received restitution under the BEG. If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean that approximately 5.8 million European Jews survived German persecution during World War II. Such a large number of surviving Jews is not consistent with a German program of genocide against European Jewry.
While it would be impossible for anyone to give an exact number of Jews who died in the German camps during World War II, the book “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry” proves that not anywhere close to 6 million Jews died during the war. Walter Sanning in this book calculates that the worldwide losses suffered by Jews during the Second World War are in the neighborhood of 1¼ million. He estimates that 15,967,000 Jews were alive in 1941 before the German invasion of the Soviet Union, and that the Jewish population was reduced to approximately 14,730,000 after the war.
Importantly, Sanning shows that many of these Jewish losses were caused not by the direct impact of the war or by a program of German genocide, but by Soviet barbarism. Sanning states that hundreds of thousands of Jews lost their lives during the Soviet deportation to the east or in the Siberian labor and concentration camps. Sanning concludes that the food supply, shelter, and clothing provided to the Jewish inmates in the Soviet camps was woefully inadequate, and that medical attention was almost completely lacking. Sanning’s conclusion is supported by Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger, who writes: “In Southern Siberia the death-rate was very high for…Jews….”
‘…The New York Jewish publication Aufbau documents that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war was over if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?’
Did this figure refer to actual inmates of the camps or merely to Jews who had been forced to flee, etc? There’s also the question of how many were survivors of unpleasant labor camps and whatever — as opposed to Treblinka.
I note you still haven’t come up with many Belzec Survivors. Seven? Out of nearly half a million? Either (a) you’re going to have to assert Belzec and all records connected with it are an invention, or (b) concede that there was indeed a programme to exterminate Jews en masse.
You write: “I note you still haven’t come up with many Belzec Survivors. Seven? Out of nearly half a million? Either (a) you’re going to have to assert Belzec and all records connected with it are an invention, or (b) concede that there was indeed a programme to exterminate Jews en masse.”
My response: There is a way to determine how many people died in Belzec and the other Aktion Reinhardt camps. A complete forensic examination of these camps would let us know with reasonable accuracy how many people died in these camps.
Historians universally acknowledge that none of the Aktion Reinhardt camps had crematoria. All other German concentration camps such as Buchenwald and Dachau had crematoria even though mass killings are not alleged to have taken place at these camps. Why wouldn’t the Germans have built crematoria at the Aktion Reinhardt camps, since such crematoria would have been far more necessary to accomplish the mass killings alleged at these camps?
According to Holocaust historians, the bodies of Jews gassed at the Aktion Reinhardt camps were first buried in mass graves. The bodies were later exhumed and burned in the open air.
The mass extermination of approximately 870,000 people at Treblinka and over 400,000 people at Belzec would have left huge amounts of human and wood ashes as well as teeth and bones. The fact that large quantities of these have not been found indicates that mass exterminations of inmates did not take place at these camps. I hope some day a complete forensic examination of the Aktion Reinhardt camps will take place. However, I don’t think this will ever happen, because then everyone would know that the mass extermination of Jews did not take place in these camps.
It should be noted that many Jewish prisoners undoubtedly perished during or after their rail journey to the Aktion Reinhardt camps. It is also plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed by officials acting on their own authority. These prisoners were buried at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. However, there is no compelling evidence that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were extermination centers in which Jews were systematically put to death.
‘…Importantly, Sanning shows that many of these Jewish losses were caused not by the direct impact of the war or by a program of German genocide, but by Soviet barbarism. Sanning states that hundreds of thousands of Jews lost their lives during the Soviet deportation to the east or in the Siberian labor and concentration camps. Sanning concludes that the food supply, shelter, and clothing provided to the Jewish inmates in the Soviet camps was woefully inadequate, and that medical attention was almost completely lacking. Sanning’s conclusion is supported by Jewish historian Gerald Reitlinger, who writes: “In Southern Siberia the death-rate was very high for…Jews….”
This would be at odds with everything I’ve read. Whatever complaints they may make, at least until the time of ‘the Doctor’s Plot’ (1950?), Jews were more privileged than persecuted in the Soviet Union. Secondly, Solzhenitsyn at least politely insists that Jews watched out for each other in the camps, and that he never saw a Jew assigned to the dread ‘general duties.’ Indeed, what Jews survived in the Western Soviet Union seemed to have done so by fleeing with the Soviets rather than sticking around to see what the Germans had in mind. For example, somewhere I was reading that at the onset of the German invasion, a rather substantial chunk of the Jewish population of Bialystok fled to the East with the Red Army. The rest, of course, were first confined in the ghetto and then vanished.
I don’t think you can account for missing Jews by claiming the Russians killed them. Any such loss during the war years would have been decidedly modest — one or two hundred thousand at the outside.
‘…It is also plausible that hundreds and perhaps thousands of Jews who were too weak or ill to continue the eastbound journey from the camps were killed by officials acting on their own authority. These prisoners were buried at the Aktion Reinhardt camps. However, there is no compelling evidence that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were extermination centers in which Jews were systematically put to death.’
But you have almost literally no evidence at all that such further onward transport occurred. Either (1) it didn’t, (2) for some reason the Germans recorded all the shipments into the camps but none of the shipments out, or (3), the Allies, with incredible foresight, deviousness, and thoroughness, managed to sift through all the surviving German records and eliminate all evidence and silence all surviving witnesses. Else, give us some examples suggesting a few hundred thousand Jews leaving Treblinka and being resettled elsewhere. Not twenty or thirty healthy workers — a few hundred thousand. Massive shipments of people — like those that went into Treblinka.
It keeps coming back to the Australia metaphor, or perhaps the First Crusade metaphor is fairer. I really think Australia is there. The overwhelming bulk of the evidence says it is. Similarly, even though the record is rife with inconsistencies and absurd claims, I’m convinced the First Crusade really did happen.
Similarly with the Holocaust. I have no particular need to deny it happened, or aver that it did. But the overwhelming mass of the evidence assures me that it did. Nobody faked it.
You write in comment number 1426: “Can you come up similarly numerically impressive associations for the survivors of the Jews of Bialystok, etc? I suspect you can’t. I’d argue that’s because while a very large proportion of the German expellees survived, the same can’t be said for the Jews of Bialystok et al.”
My response: There have been many Jewish survivors who have formed associations. One of the most amusing to me is the Jewish association titled Children of Auschwitz Nazi Deadly Experiment Survivors (CANDLE). This association’s name is a misnomer, because if the experiments were deadly, how could there be so many survivors? Also, if young children unable to work had been immediately selected for gassing at Auschwitz as claimed by “Holocaust” historians, how could so many children at Auschwitz have survived the war?
Steven Spielberg has also interviewed a very large number of Jewish survivors of the so-called Holocaust. He founded the Survivors of the Shoah Visual History Foundation in 1994 to film and preserve first-person survivor testimonies and encourage their use in education. An international team of interviewers collected the accounts into the Visual History Archive, more than 53,000 stories from Holocaust survivors in more than 50 countries and more than 30 languages.
As far as how many Jews survived Bialystok, I don’t have the slightest idea. However, I don’t think doing the massive amout of work required to come up with a reasonable estimate of how many Jews survived Bialystok is necessary to disprove the so-called Holoaust.
Can you tell me how many German expellees survived the Linzervorstadt camp after the war. No? I wouldn’t expect you to know. But that is exactly what you are doing when you ask me how many Jews survived Bialystok.
I strongly recommend that you read my article “An Awful Revenge: The Eastern Victors’ Conentration Camps after World War II” located at https://inconvenienthistory.com/11/2/6719.
I think you will learn a lot from it.
You write: “I don’t think you can account for missing Jews by claiming the Russians killed them. Any such loss during the war years would have been decidedly modest — one or two hundred thousand at the outside.”
My response: Walter Sanning on pages 106-109 of the 1990 edition of his book “The Dissolution of Eastern Jewry” uses a variety of establishment historians to back up his claim. These historians include Gerald Reitlinger, Boris Telpuchowski and the Hungarian Minister in Moscow, Professor Szekfu.
The book “The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry” by Walter Sanning is probably the most scholarly study ever written of 20th century Jewish demography, especially in its analysis of World War II related Jewish population changes. Sanning bases his study almost exclusively on Allied, Zionist, and pro-Zionist West German sources. His analysis includes evidence given by the wartime U.S. Assistant Secretary of State, the Institute of Jewish Affairs, the American Jewish Year Book, official census publications, and the pro-Zionist Institute for Contemporary History in Munich. Sanning keeps his book as free of emotion as possible in order to contribute to a genuine discussion underlying the charge of German genocide.
So, if you have the time, I suggest you read this book. It is admittedly heavy reading in that it involves so many statistics and much detailed analysis, but I think you might enjoy reading it if you have an interest in this subject.
To the Third Reich and its allies, the Jews were Bolshevik fiends and the USSR some kind of Jewish construction. A famous Nazi poster from 1937 has a cruel Jew with a whip gazing at coins in his hand while a Hungarian map of the European part of the Soviet Union is wedged under his arm. And this is a view of Jews quite often expressed by Holocaust deniers. Claiming lots of Jews who cannot be accounted for were killed by the “Judeo-Bolshevik paradise” is quite a desperate throw.
Well, your post here, citing hard numbers from Jewish sources no less, should answer Franny’s shrill queries as to where all her Jews went.
I maintain they went to the 60 countries in which survivors were interviewed for the movie “Schindler’s List”. And Fanny wants proof for this! To me at least the proof is self evident. The Jews are where they were interviewed! Or is Franny now asserting that the interviewers for the movie plot lied, and constructed the interviews out of thin air? Hmmm, interesting conjecture. Franny can always ask the interviewers for the names of those interviewed.
Now I will add that she is free to contact the German “Reparations” authorities for the names and addresses to which the blackmail cheques are sent.
Franny can also contact The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper, and ask for the data on which they based their estimates of 50%…
Will Franny accept his information in answer to her queries? Not bloody likely. The Jews have to have their holi 6 million, regardless that 6-3=/=6.
I earned my living for 50 years using numbers and calculations. As far as I know the results of my work are still in use for the betterment of the population. But I do not understand the Jewish premise that 6 million minus 6 million still equals 6 million. My lifetime of experience tells me that this assertion is bullshit. Hmmm, must be the new (Jewish?) math, which, thankfully, my education preceded.
Thousands survived you say? Millions died.
Otto Frank is the only survivor of the 8 people from the attic.
Primo Levi was a brilliant chemist who IG Farben wanted to work in their rubber plant. When he got sick, they nursed him back. Of the 7000 Jews from Primo Levi’s Italian home, 700 survived.
Many people survived, not even knowing why. It was chaos and maybe certain months were different then other months for death tolls. There was no even policy. What is know is that the people not selected to become camp prisoners, went to the crematoriums and died. That is a fact.
Did you listen to Ruth Webber’s brief interview. People walked into a building and the only thing that came out was smoke.
How do you like the 300,000 survivors of the 3.3 million Polish Jews living in Poland before the war.
Walter Sanning is a fake name for a criminal Holocaust denier, claiming that the Holocaust was not real and Jews faked the Holocaust and the death of the Jews, a criminal offense in Germany. Similar to all Holocaust deniers the true aim is not to question the specifics but to claim that the Jews perpetrated a massive conspiracy to trick the world into false thinking that the Germans murdered millions of Jews simply because they were Jews to include men women and children.
Your list of H denier compatriots is a sorry group that mostly have been exposed. Liars to the point of criminality. Everything Sanning writes is a total lie.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2007/08/crazy-world-of-walter-sanning-part-1.html
You write in regard to my comment about Jewish survivors of Auschwitz-Birkenau: “Thousands survived you say? Millions died.”
My response: Today even pro-Holocaust historians say that no more than about 1 million Jews died at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Jean-Claude Pressac wrote that much less than 1 million Jews died at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Your claim that “millions died” at Auschwitz-Birkenau is disputed even by mainstream pro-Holocaust historians.
You write: “Otto Frank is the only survivor of the 8 people from the attic.”
My response: Anne Frank and her sister Margot died of typhus at Bergen-Belsen.
In the face of the advancing Soviet army, Anne Frank and her sister were evacuated to Bergen-Belsen, where they died of typhus. While Anne and Margot Frank’s fate was tragic, their story is not consistent with a German plan of extermination against the Jews. Along with thousands of others at Bergen-Belsen, they died from a typhus epidemic and not from a German plan to commit genocide against European Jewry.
You write: “Many people survived, not even knowing why.”
My response: These people survived because Germany did not have a program of mass extermination of Jews during World War II.
You write: “What is know is that the people not selected to become camp prisoners, went to the crematoriums and died. That is a fact.”
My response: The fact is that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German camps during World War II. This is why so many Jews survived their internment in these camps.
The fraudulent criminal world of Walter Sanning an excerpt below from a 9 part series called the crazy world of Walter Sanning. http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2014/12/rebuttal-of-mattogno-on-auschwitz-part.html
Sanning fraudulently claims that many of the Polish Jews were resettled into the Soviet Union in 1942 that therefore diminished the population of the Jews under the German occupation of Poland. Pay attention. This is what H deniers do, they lie and commit fraud when misrepresenting data. It ends up in part 9 that the actual number of Jews transferred to the Soviet Union in 1941 was less than 100,00. Now you know why Holocaust denial is criminal. It is a bunch of people that are trying to convince the world that the Jews made up the Holocaust and the Jewish death toll by the Germans, and that Germany never intended to murder Jews.
You quote from the Holocaust Controversies blog: “Once again therefore, we find that Sanning is has written a deceitful and fraudulent piece of work.”
My response: Deceitful is a word that can be used to describe much of the Holocaust Controveries blog’s work. I call them Holocaust Controversies: What Part of One-Sided Bias Do You Not Understand?
I meant the millions of Jews died in total during the Holocast, not just Auschwitz. There were many other killing centers, as well as gunmen shooting up ghettos in the east.
Every single denier, Butz, Mattogno, Rudolf, Sanning, Irving all of them have been proven to be liars, who criminally present fraudulent information regarding the mass murder of the Jews by the Germans during the Holocaust, with the fraudulent claim that the Jews have perpetrated a lie, a hoax to fool the world as part of conspiracy to take it (the world.) over.
The real aim of H deniers has been exposed, and bit by bit the evidence has been proven false. There was a Holocaust, gas chambers and crematoriums, with the aim of genocide of the Jews by the Germans. Irrefutable evidence. All of Gemar Rudolf’s work has been disqualified over the 40 years of H denial, and you John are recycling old out dated material. H denial is dead, all of the references used to support it are finished. S0 what are you hoping to do with your website and writings?
How many people are listening to your recycled nonsense?
What happened to the Jews that were not selected to be registered as prisoners, but sent to the crematorium for showers? As explained over and over and over again. These Jews were gassed and cremated. There is no proof that any of the Jews entering the crematorium came out alive. Not a one. So the claim that there were no homicidal gas chambers is false by all known evidence. You can claim it but it has been proven false. The samples Rudolf took were not enough to be control samples to measure amounts of cyanide in the walls. If you were really interested in the truth you can read up on it. The delousing chamber walls were made of mortar and brick, and were subjected to much more intensive cyanide than the chambers for humans. They were also inside of a building. The human gas chambers were destroyed. The walls that Rudolf took his samples from (illegally) were from exterior walls that were exposed to the weather. These walls were constantly washed down and painted white in-between gassing due to the fecal mater and other human waste produced from gassing. Gassing was not knew to the Germans they started with carbon monoxide before switching to Zykon b. They found gassing a bloodless killing procedure.
Rudolf’s science is so deficient, it has zero support, and has never been accepted by any academic peer review committee.. The Germans gassed the Jews who thought they were going to take showers, and then cremated them in the 56 ovens in Auschwitz. 1.1 million Jews died in Auschwitz. You can tell the number of people gassed on arrival, by subtracting the numbers of Jews transported from the number of Jews that were registered in the camp, the rest were murdered upon arrival. An indisputable fact.
No one is taking your work seriously. It is not listed in any of the rebuttals in Holocaust Controversies, because you are not presenting new evidence. You are presenting old evidence that has been blown to bits.
And remember accusing the Jews of conspiring to take over the world by perpetrating a Holocaust hoax, by manipulating data, faking deaths and colluding with millions of other Jews and non Jews around the world, is a criminal offense. In other words Holocaust denial is in itself a lie and a crime.
‘…And remember accusing the Jews of conspiring to take over the world by perpetrating a Holocaust hoax, by manipulating data, faking deaths and colluding with millions of other Jews and non Jews around the world, is a criminal offense. In other words Holocaust denial is in itself a lie and a crime.’
You might want to consider the possibility that this tactic is counter-productive.
I for one am led to sympathize with Holocaust Deniers and consider their arguments by the very fact that so many are so determined to silence them. It would never occur to me, for example, to pay any attention to flat-earthers. They’re free to go on all they like — and I’m free to ignore them.
The attempt to suppress Holocaust Deniers changes the equation. You make martyrs out of them — sometimes almost literally.
Personally, I think it would be nice if people could advance whatever views they pleased, without fear of persecution. We might even get some light along with the heat. After all, it’s possible some of the claims of the Holocaust Deniers have some validity. It would be easier to tell if one weren’t invariably forced to take sides by the ferocity of the polemic.
…but here we get to the heart of the matter. For the Holocaust has become a religious creed, hasn’t it? And to deny any part of it is heresy. And conversely, those who do deny it cannot seem to grant that any of it could have happened. They’re like some Evangelical Protestant fanatic who cannot admit that there might be some aspects of the Catholic Church that aren’t evil incarnate.
It all becomes a religious dispute. And we know those don’t go anywhere.
Prove any of the information presented in Holocaust Controversies false. It is an open forum and many deniers partake in the blog. Tom Dalton, and others of your heroes. Mattogno has had knock down scream outs on that site. You are more then welcome to dialog with them they invite all deniers to partake in exchanges. But all of you so far walk away with you tail between your legs, because what you write are lies. Provable lies. Which is why Irving is out on the street as a tour guide trying to survive.Ruined, like all liars accusing the Jews of attempted world domination by perpetrating a Holocaust hoax on the world to gain power and influence. A lie of epic proportions and a criminal offense. One us Jews take really really seriously. In case you had not noticed.
Sanning is a liar, a provable liar not engaged in honest research, but one engaged in a false conspiracy theory involving the Jews.
BTW did you listen to Ruth’s Webber video? Very unemotional and straight forward about people going into a building and never coming out.
“…the Jews made up the Holocaust and the Jewish death toll by the Germans, and that Germany never intended to murder Jews…”
This fact was proved during the Zundel trials in Toronto, where not one eye witness for the prosecution was able to present coherent and believable testimony regarding the holocaust.
Further, the prosecution was unable to present as evidence any authenticated German documents to show that there was any plan to exterminate any Jews, or that Hitler had issued any such orders!
The French high priest of holocaustianity or should we write holocaustism, had to incorporate serious changes into his allegations, acknowledging that no such documents existed and, if you can believe this, wrote into his bible that the Germans had a meeting of the minds, ie, a “German Mind Meld”, so popularized by the Star Trek science fiction TV series, for the extermination of Jews. Science fiction at its finest, but evidence of anything???
That’s how low holocaustianity has sunk, in order to persist with its lies.
In my post #1436 above I predicted that our Franny here would not accept the findings of her own Jewish agencies! Or the millions of Jews that collect(ed) blackmail money from Germany.
Perhaps she believes that those Jews who are collecting that lovely German money are liars and cheats, and not “real” survivors?
What other conclusion can one reach from her Copy and Paste efforts?
Thus you believe that Free Speech is a lie and a crime. Coming from you I am not surprised at such a statement.
But it is gratifying to see it written down by you with such vigour and emphasis.
A lot has happened since the Zundel trial. That occurred in 1985. Have you been living under a rock? Have you heard of the David Irving trial? Where Holocaust denial lost big time. You should catch up on current events.
In fact there are jews living in New York City, Miami Florida, an other jewish bastions who never set foot outside the USA and are receiving holohoax (oops, I mean “holocaust™) reparations”.
The giant jewish swindle marches on…
I don’t use google for research. Far too constricting and full of lies and fabrications, not to exclude the influence from IDF Unit 8200.
I am not the only person on the planet defending the gassing and and murder of the Jews. Maybe you should watch this video.
You ask: “S0 what are you hoping to do with your website and writings?”
My response: I intend to write the truth. For my statement that there were no homicidal gas chambers in any of the German camps, please read my articles at https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/4/5160 and https://inconvenienthistory.com/12/1/7200.
Not a religious creed for me, and denying part of it is certainly not heresy. You are confused. If you look at my earlier post, I never heard or talked about the Holocaust until I was in college, and I come from a family of survivors. I was in Poland last year and never went to Auschwitz. No one I mean no one talked about the Shoa when I was growing up. No one wanted to talk about it. The survivors would have rather been Goring’s second in command then be victims of the Germans. Survivors wanted to forget it. I am not interested in the Holocaust, no one I know is interested in it. It is not a topic of conversation amongst survivors and their children. You can freaking debate anything you want.
What I have been active in as you are well aware having been on UR with me for several years (wow been a while) is Jew hatred. The internet providing comfort and support for Jew haters, who can make up any conspiracy theory about the Jews they want anonymously. Jew haters recycle old medieval theories from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, that the Jews are plotting in a conspiratorial form to take over the world and destroy it, for their own pleasure. Muslims have adopted this verbatim because of Israel. These people together with Neo nazi’s, and white Supremacist including educated people like Kevin McDonald are heavily involved in Jew hatred and Jewish conspiracies, like 9/11.
Deeply immeshed in todays Jew hatred is the conspiracy that the Holocaust is a hoax that the Jews manufactured as part of a larger conspiracy to wait for it take over the world, and destroy the white race and Western civilization. They accuse the Jews of manufacturing data, and falsely accuse the Germans of mass murder. These people insist that it was actually the Jews that started WW2, and that the Germans are innocent victims of a terribly fucked up Jewish Cabal to take over Europe and destroy the Germans, in their evil quest to man all levers of power that control the flow of money and the world. From that point the theory goes from bad to cultish evil, like cannibalism and Jews sucking the blood of Christian children.
It is the conspiracy part not the Holocaust per say that interest me. The Holocaust is more of a religion to deniers and conspiracy theorist, then to world Jewry.
Many people including Debrah Libstadt and others agree with you that there should be no censorship, that these deniers need to be proven false in the open. I have no problem denying anything about the Holocaust, including gassing. What I think is criminal, is the manipulation of data accusing the Jews of perpetrating this Holocaust hoax in an almost supernatural way. That their levers on power are supernatural to be able can control millions of documents and involve millions of people in this hoax. To me these people are criminal and should be prosecuted. Just my opinion.
It is not Holocaust denial, it is a Jewish conspiracy involving a hoax a fake Holocaust. Dangerous stuff.
‘I am not the only person on the planet defending the gassing and and murder of the Jews. Maybe you should watch this video.’
Lol. Perhaps you want to put that differently.
Maybe you should watch the video in post #1452, and you can get used to the idea that the Jews were gassed and cremated in the crematoriums. Do you seriously refute this?
How many people come to your website in a year?
You really are a functioning illiterate. Use Duck Duck Go. I told you to use any search engine you want. Cut and paste your questions. See what comes up say with gas tight doors on the gas chambers.
You couldn’t figure out how a light bulb works starting with electricity. I mean you have been on this thread for a while and have contributed Zero information, facts, counter facts, or whatever.
Typical intellectual tour de force from anarchyst, who has big questions about murdering the disabled. OR plan murder with no Jurisprudence. Use Duck duck go on Zykon bug spray. They now use it for gassing prisoner in the US. Bug spray?????
–Killing jews with “bug spray” (Zyklon B) is not only impossible, but is laughable on its face.
You write: “Maybe you should watch the video in post #1452, and you can get used to the idea that the Jews were gassed and cremated in the crematoriums. Do you seriously refute this?”
My response: Yes, I contest Robert John van Pelt’s testimony and credibility. You can read my article
at http://www.wearswar.com/2021/11/26/refuting-deborah-lipstadts-dream-team-robert-jan-van-pelt-the-case-for-auschwitz/ for information about Robert John van Pelt.
Ha Ha…your”intelligence deficit” is on full display.
For your information, I am an accomplished engineer who has designed many complex electrical and mechanical systems. I guess that my intelligence forces me to observe, critique and exposed the many falsehoods that support the whole “holocaustianity®” religion. My keen engineering mind is at work all the time.
If you like, I can easily explain how a light bulb and electricity work. Of course, I would have to simplify my explanation in order for you to understand the concept.
Here is a “freebie” for you:
Since observant jews are prohibited from operating any devices on the Sabbath, might I suggest that you replace your light switches with motion sensor switches. When you walk into a room the light will automatically illuminate without any user action. After 10 minutes or so (user settable) if there is no motion the light extinguishes.
Hell, I could make good money at this providing jewish households with Sabbath-friendly light switches.
As to search engines, yandex is a good choice.
Regards,
You know it is the same old same old John. You can write about all the science you think makes gassing impossible. All the deaths in the camp were recorded, and those deaths from the inmates were do to illness.
Most of the gassing and cremation was done on arrival with Jews that never registered in the camp. You do remember the stories, the families that were broken up at the train station. Those selected for the camp, registered as prisoners, those that were not registered went to the crematorium to take showers and never left. Nothing John can say will change that. Nothing. Those Jews vanished. You cannot re write history
You also need to realize that missing Jews never leaving the crematorium is bigger than you, bigger than Rudolf, bigger than all of you.
You cannot out science empirical evidence, families saw their loved ones go into a building and vanish. Van Pelts description of the gas chambers, together with eye witness are factual. Those people died in that building John, that is a human life, gassed and crematoriums. To say that people are making this up, is a huge deal, and disgusting.
You write: “You can write about all the science you think makes gassing impossible.”
My response: That’s what I will continue to do. This is what is done in any crime scene investigation. Forensic evidence is always more important than eyewitness testimony.
You write: “Van Pelt’s description of the gas chambers, together with eye witness are factual.”
My response: Van Pelt is a part of an agenda to discredit Holocaust revisionists and make them look bad. His descriptions of the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau are not factual.
Van Pelt acknowledges that Erroll Morris had to redo his movie Mr. Death because this movie originally made Fred Leuchter look good. Van Pelt writes: “At a trial screening at Harvard, one half of the audience thought that Morris agreed with Leuchter’s conclusions about Auschwitz and the other half came to agree with Leuchter’s conclusions about Auschwitz. Not surprisingly, both views horrified Morris.”
After consulting with van Pelt and Deborah Lipstadt, Erroll Morris redid his movie to make Leuchter look bad. The movie’s redo included Dr. James Roth’s statements which contradict Roth’s earlier testimony at the 1988 Ernst Zündel trial. (Source: Van Pelt, Robert Jan, The Case for Auschwitz: Evidence from the Irving Trial, Bloomington and Indianapolis: Indiana University Press, 2002, pp. 85-86).
‘…Can you tell me how many German expellees survived the Linzervorstadt camp after the war. No? I wouldn’t expect you to know. But that is exactly what you are doing when you ask me how many Jews survived Bialystok…’
No…you’re comparing apples and oranges, and you know it. Horrific as the crimes against the Eastern Germans were, the intent was to convince the Germans they really did want to flee their ancestral homes — whether they stayed and died or fled and lived was largely a matter of indifference to their persecutors. Camps such as what I take it you are referring to were the exceptions, not the rule. Most Eastern Germans either fled in terror or stayed, wished they had fled, and (if they lived) got out when they were given the chance.
On the other hand, for the Jews, I picked Bialystok at random. I could as easily have picked Minsk, or Riga, or Warsaw, or Cracow, or…
There, the intent was extermination. The Germans no longer wished the Jews to leave. They wished to kill them.
Well, congratulations. I’d have happily seen an equivalence between what was visited on the Jews and what was visited upon the Germans. You forced me to recognize the distinction.
More evidence that will shake the normies out of their spell that multiracial societies are a blessing…
The competing Holocaust stories of fact vs hoax is not about who looks good or bad. Why are you so hung up on that? Leuchter’s forensics do not hold up (over time). Nor do any of the 40 year old forensic claims of the deniers. There are new books and forensics available, with no further discoveries by the deniers. There is so much new evidence.
So your main claim after Van Pelt movie is that Lipstadt made Leuchter look bad? What about the architecture of the gas chambers? The way the the gas was delivered thru the wire columns, and retracted to stop the poison from continuing in the air. The paintings and drawings form artist, depicting the scenes. The architecture plans, showing the gas chambers in the cellar. All made up? It made sense to many people, Jews and non Jews. There were many architects involved in the planning of the gas chambers and crematoriums. What did you think of that evidence.
With regards to the forensic evidence it could go either way. There could be gassing, there could not be gassing according to which forensics you believe. Same with cremation. It depends on what set of facts you embrace. It comes down to which side is more credible. The mass murder of the Jews by the Germans or the deniers that the Jews are lying and the Holocaust is a hoax. Many Jews who have missing family members, who witnessed death up close, who saw family members disappear in a few minutes, really really do not like being called liars and hoaxers.
In addition to the gas chambers, you also have my family who were murdered by mobile Einsatzgruppen units. The mobile Einsatzgruppen murdered millions of Jews deliberately and systematically ghetto after ghetto in the East, where up to 20,000 people were murdered in a few days like the Rovno ghetto.
I am one of the Jews being accused of faking family deaths. According to H deniers my family members are alive not dead. We know for certain our family members are dead and I am not a liar. Most Jews do not like the implications of a Holocaust hoax, and will do everything in their power to smoke you out from your shelter of denier books of lies, and expose you. We will not let you rest until every denier is discredited as being a fraud.
A hoax involving millions of people from different countries and different languages converging on identical evidence would require a conspiracy of epic proportions, more like an illusion you would find from a magician, or the super natural. Like a magic trick, Now you see a gas chamber now you don’t.
I am most people are not buying the magic act require to fake the holocaust.
You write: “Camps such as what I take it you are referring to were the exceptions, not the rule…On the other hand, for the Jews, I picked Bialystok at random. I could as easily have picked Minsk, or Riga, or Warsaw, or Cracow, or…There, the intent was extermination. The Germans no longer wished the Jews to leave. They wished to kill them.”
My response: Are you sure? The following references are mostly from the book “Ordinary and Humane”, written by R. M. Douglas, who is an establisment historian at Colgate Univerity:
1) In Czechoslovakia, the Ministry of Education, the Military Prison, the Riding School, the Sports Stadium, and the Labor Exchange in Prague were set aside as prisons for German civilians. The Scharnhorst School was the scene of a massacre in which groups of 10 Germans were led down to the courtyard and shot. In Strahov as many as 10,000 to 15,000 Germans were herded into the football stadium. Here the Czechs forced 5,000 prisoners to run for their lives as guards fired on them with machine guns. Some Germans were shot in the latrines. As a general rule all SS men were shot, either by a shot in the back of the neck or to the stomach. Even after May 16, 1945, when order was meant to be restored, 12 to 20 Germans died daily at the Strahov stadium. Most of the victims had been tortured first.
2) In a compound at Postoloprty in northern Bohemia, parties of up to 250 Germans at a time were removed and shot by Czechoslovak soldiers on June 5 and 6. The precise number of Germans killed range from a low of 763 (the number of bodies unearthed in 1947) to a high of 2,000. In a similar incident at Kaunitz College in Brno a Czechoslovak investigation found that at least 300 Germans died as a result of torture, shooting, or hanging in May and June 1945.
3) On June 18, 1945, Czechoslovak troops shot 265 German civilians in the back of the neck and buried them in a mass grave the Germans had first been forced to dig beside a railway station. At Lanškroun, a two-day “People’s Tribunal” conducted by a prominent member of Beneš’s party resulted in 20 people who were shot; two hanged; others tortured; and others drowned in the town’s fire pool. In the city of Chomutov on the morning of June 9, up to a dozen Germans were tortured to death in a “cleansing operation” conducted by Staff Captain Karel Prášil on a sports field in full view of sickened Czech passersby.
4) On May 30, 1945, under threat from a trade union headed by the Communist activist Josef Kapoun, the mayor of Brno agreed to an expulsion action against German civilians that same evening. The first column of expellees was marched off in the general direction of the Austrian frontier. A second group of German expellees, rounded up from neighboring villages and towns, followed them a few hours later. The German expellees, who by now numbered some 28,000, were denied permission to cross into Austria by the Allied occupation authorities. Rather than allowing the Germans to return home, the Brno activists responsible for the expulsion confined them in a collection of impromptu camps in the border village of Pohořelice. Lacking food, water, or sanitary facilities, 1,700 Germans are estimated to have died in the camps. A Red Cross nurse estimates that an additional 1,000 expellees died on the march to the camps.
5) The assembly camps themselves were no safe haven for the German expellees. The British ambassador who visited an assembly camp at Szczecin in October 1946 stated, “Since I have been promoted to Ambassador I have smelt many nasty smells, but nothing to equal the immense and over-powering stench of this camp.” The ambassador advised the camp commandant that this assembly camp at Szczecin should be closed down, fumigated, and repaired.
The assembly camps became centers of hunger and disease, and the resulting mortality was on a significant scale. During the month of January 1947 alone, 52 inmates at the Gumieńce camp in Szczecin died “mainly through undernourishment but [in] one or two cases…also through frost-bite.” Ninety-five inmates died of disease in one month at the Dantesque facility at Świdwin, which lacked water, heat, bedding, intact roofs, and medical supplies. Nearly 3,500 cases of illness were reported in this camp during the same month.
6) The Germans in Yugoslavia were subject to exceptionally brutal treatment and expulsions. They were dispossessed of all their property by law. The internment camps erected for Germans by the Tito government in Yugoslavia were decidedly not mere assembly points for group expulsion; rather, they were consciously and officially recognized as extermination centers for many thousands of ethnic Germans. There was little or no food or medical care in the internment camps, and internees were left to starve to death or perish from rampant disease. The primary purpose of these internment camps appears to have been to inflict misery and death on as many ethnic Germans as possible.
I will continue with this topic in a later comment.
The title to this article is a bit misleading. It shouldn’t be “Erdoğan’s Islamization of Europe,” but “Jewish Supremacist Organizations’ Islamization of Europe.”
The following is a continuation of my comment number 1465:
7) The Tito regime in November 1944 issued an edict that provided for the internment of all Yugoslav Germans except those who had played an active part in the struggle against Nazi occupation. The internment camps in Yugoslavia for Germans are widely considered to be the worst of all the expelling nations. The British Embassy in Belgrade, which secured the release of a Canadian woman with dual nationality in the summer of 1946, reported that her food ration at the Riđica labor camp “consisted of watery soup, and 200 grammes of maize bread, of so rock-like a consistency that it had to be soaked in water to be edible….At the end of January, [she] was transferred to the internment camp at Kruševlje, where work was not compulsory and where consequently the food consisted of two wooden spoonfuls of maize porridge a day and nothing else. In this camp there was a mortality rate, especially among children, as high as 200 a day.” The embassy noted that this account was consistent with other reports it had received from various sources concerning the Yugoslav internment camps for Germans.
8) In a dispatch that was circulated to Attlee’s cabinet, the British Embassy in Belgrade reported in 1946 that “conditions in which Germans in Yugoslavia exist seem well down to Dachau standards.” The embassy staff added that there was little to be lost by placing these facts before the public “as it will hardly be possible for the position of those that are left in camps to deteriorate thereby.” The British Embassy further stated that the “indiscriminate annihilation and starvation” of the Yugoslav Volksdeutsche “must surely be considered an offence to humanity” and warned that “if they have to undergo another winter here, very few will be left.”
9) Yugoslavia had to dissolve several camps—notably Bački Jarak, Sekić, and Filipovo—because their mortality rates were so excessive as to render them no longer viable. The Yugoslav government took initial steps to wind down its internment operations early in 1947. In the process, the Yugoslav government began forcing its remaining German inmates to pay the Yugoslav government money to obtain their release from the camps.
10) German children in Eastern Europe suffered major hardships and deprivations prior to and during the expulsion process. German children experienced the worst conditions in the detention centers. Přemsyl Pitter, a social worker from Prague, quickly found as he visited the Czechoslovak detention centers that the overwhelming majority of those who needed his aid were ethnic Germans. At a makeshift internment camp in Prague, Pitter discovered at the end of July 1945 “a hell of which passers-by hadn’t the faintest notion.” More than a thousand Germans, the great majority women and children, were “crowded together in an indescribable tangle. As we brought emaciated and apathetic children out and laid them on the grass, I believed that few would survive. Our physician, Dr. E. Vogl, himself a Jew who had gone through the hell of Auschwitz and Mauthausen, almost wept when he saw these little bodies. ‘And here we Czechs have done this in two and a half months!’ he exclaimed.” Red Cross officials found that the conditions at other Prague camps were no better.
11) The youngest German children were most vulnerable to the conditions in the detention centers. Their undeveloped immune systems and lack of physical reserves left them particularly vulnerable to starvation and its attendant diseases. A credible account by a female detainee at Potulice in Poland recorded that of 110 children born in the camp between the beginning of 1945 and her eventual expulsion in December 1946, only 11 children were still alive by the later date. A high rate of infant mortality in the camps was also caused by numerous cases in which German children were denied medical care because of their ethnicity.
12) Investigations by the ICRC found high rates of infant mortality attributable to malnutrition to be widespread in Czechoslovakia. When the ICRC visited a detention center in Bratislava at the end of 1945, it found that every one of the emaciated infants and children was “suffering from hideous skin eruptions” and that conditions were “in general so desperate that it is difficult to find words” with which to comfort the detainees. A journalist from Obzory, who visited one of the Prague detention centers in the autumn of 1945, acknowledged that “mortality has increased to a horrifying degree” among the children. The journalist attributed the high mortality among the infants to the complete absence of infant formula and the fact that the majority of nursing mothers were too emaciated to breastfeed their newborns.
I could go on and on. Colin, do you still see a distinction between what was visited on the Jews and what was visited on the Germans?
To Fran and John:
Fran’s writing is absurd on its face and should be called out as such, rather than answered. For example:
If “gassing & cremation” were completed “on arrival” of a whole trainload of Jews (how many thousands would that be?), once a thousand at a time were “gassed,” how many days would it take to cremate them all? Where were the (dangerously contaminated) corpses kept, waiting days to be cremated? For what was in truth the morgue (corpse cold-storage room) is said in the official literature to have been the ‘gas chamber’ which has to be warm for the Zyklon pellets to work. Have any of Fran’s sources explained how this story of gassing and cremation immediately upon arrival can possibly work? Plus the fact that ‘Introduction holes’ were added to all crematoriums after the war, with Soviet Union in total control and no outsiders allowed in. This is an impossible scenario.
What Jews? How do we know these Jews arrived at Birkenau, in the numbers you claim? A few photographs of people departing a train, and of a small number of people walking toward the Showers? A few people walking along with buzz hair cuts and dressed in clean uniform-type clothing? The latter shows they were indeed in the showers, and prepared for life in the camp. If the air-photos taken by U.S. Air Force surveillance planes show nothing unusual going on at that time, how can ‘testimonies’ on the ground challenge that and say otherwise? We’re not kindergardeners here.You insult everyone’s intelligence, Fran. It indicates that you do not have (or perhaps use) intelligence yourself and therefore don’t know that other people do.
LOL. Explain how “missing Jews” never left the crematorium. So you mean their physical remains were consumed in the crematoriums. But didn’t something have to happen before they got to the crematoriums? You try to avoid mentioning that part because all you have evidence for is crematoriums and that they were used.
If selection took place at the train unloading ramp, the only “family members” who “saw them go into a building” were those going in too. If what you say is valid, they were unable to testify to it. Van Pelt was not there and doesn’t know anyone who was there. His so-called description of gas chambers is completely fictional, a work of imagination which I don’t think he would even deny himself. Does he? You should look closer and see that it’s a virtual “reconstruction” based on testimonies from various invested Jewish individuals. People like you, Fran, with your level of intelligence and critical thinking.
One of the “experts” eyewitnesses you mention is Ruth Webber, who said in an interview: “People walked into a building and the only thing that came out was smoke.” It’s a fact that the cremation process when properly done does not emit any smoke. If the German cremations were improperly or inefficiently done, they would be greatly slowed and also the ovens would have constant breakdowns that required repair. Another ‘eyewitness’ you recommend is a so-called sondercommando saying in a film on the USHMM website no less, that flames came out of the crematoria chimneys. They leapt out, with force, and he saw them with his own eyes. When thin (or starving) people were cremated there was only smoke, but when fatter people were cremated, flames leapt out of the chimney!! And you accept this, contrary to all science and all real-life experience. It is absurd and you are absurd. When all you can offer is absurdity, you should be ignored, not continued wasting time with. This is no longer a serious debate with a legitimate purpose.
‘I could go on and on. Colin, do you still see a distinction between what was visited on the Jews and what was visited on the Germans?’
I do — although admittedly there was some overlap. The Yugoslavs seem to have been running what amounted to outright extermination camps. My impression is as follows.
The behavior of the Russians, of course is well-known. It seems to have been encouraged to a varying extent by the authorities, in particular being used in Prussia and Silesia to empty out the land so it could be given to the Poles. Other groups varied roughly as follows:
Romanians, Hungarians, and Lithuanians were outright sympathetic to the Germans and sometimes even helpful. Germans trapped in Yugoslavia, for example, were more or less on the road to life and liberty if they could just get to Hungary.
Czechs were decidedly vengeful and murderous. It’s a tad incongruous, as the Germans didn’t treat the Czechs all that badly.
Poles could be horrible, but generally seemed to treat the Germans about as the Germans had treated them, casually and brutally expelling and despoiling them, but leaving them to make their own way west as best they could. Certainly the impression I got is that East Prussians fared marginally better once the Russians turned an area over to the Poles.
If we’re going to add the Western Allies, the British managed to be decidedly more pleasant and reasonable than the Americans, while the French seem to have suffered from something of the Czech syndrome, attempting to avenge themselves on the Germans not so much for actual abuse as for national humiliation. In particular, the French seem to have literally deployed Moroccans et al as ‘rape troops’ in their zone of occupation. One can reasonably suspect this was a feature, not a bug.
But while it was all certainly a horrific crime of unprecedented scale in its own right, it was tangibly different from the Holocaust in both its intent and its completeness.
You write: “But while it was all certainly a horrific crime of unprecedented scale in its own right, it was tangibly different from the Holocaust in both its intent and its completeness.”
My response: You might find it interesting to know that many Allied soldiers, journalists and doctors found the sights they saw in Berlin and other German cities to be very similar to what they had seen in the German camps at the end of the war. The following are some examples:
1) Maj. Stephen Terrell of the Parachute Regiment stated: “Even a cursory visit to the hospitals in Berlin, where some of these people have dragged themselves, is an experience which would make the sights in the Concentration Camps appear normal.”
2) Adrian Kanaar, a British military doctor working in a Berlin medical facility, reported on an expellee train from Poland in which 75 had died on the journey due to overcrowding. Although Kanaar had just completed a stint as a medical officer at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, what he witnessed of the expellees’ plight so distressed him that he declared his willingness to face a court martial if necessary for making the facts known to the press. Kanaar declared that he had not “spent six years in the army to see a tyranny established which is as bad as the Nazis.”
3) Gerald Gardiner, later to become Lord Chancellor of Great Britain, had been a member of a volunteer ambulance unit working with concentration camp survivors. Gardiner stated in regard to the expellee trains arriving in the late summer and autumn of 1945 from the Recovered Territories, “The removal of the dead in carts from the railway stations was a grim reminder of what I saw in early days in Belsen.”
4) Robert Murphy, a career diplomat who had served as Gen. Eisenhower’s political advisor and was now the State Department’s senior representative in Germany with the rank of ambassador, became concerned about the Allied mistreatment of the German expellees. Murphy stated in regard to the German expellees:
“In viewing the distress and despair of these wretches, in smelling the odor of their filthy condition, the mind reverts instantly to Dachau and Buchenwald. Here is retribution on a large scale, but practiced not on the Parteibonzen [Party leaders], but on women and children, the poor, the infirm. The vast majority are women and children….
Our psychology adjusts itself somehow to the idea that suffering is part of the soldier’s contract…That psychology loses some of its elasticity, however, in viewing the stupid tragedy now befalling thousands of innocent children, and women and old people….The mind reverts to other recent mass deportations which horrified the world and brought upon the Nazis the odium which they so deserved. Those mass deportations engineered by the Nazis provided part of the moral basis on which we waged the war and which gave strength to our cause.
Now the situation is reversed. We find ourselves in the invidious position of being partners in this German enterprise and as partners inevitably sharing the responsibility.”
I’m glad that Franny mentioned the Canadian high priest of holocaustianity: Van Pelt. I’m aware of what he created in the Royal Ontario Museum (ROM) in Toronto.
Not surprisingly, many of the “great” benefactors of ROM are Jewish; they promise great contributions to get their names on the Benefactor or Friend Of list, and then are tardy or non-compliant with their promises. This snippet from the Toronto press.
Some years ago van Pelt was quoted in the Toronto Daily Star newspaper: “For 99% of what we know of the holocaust, no (physical?) evidence exists.” I forgot whether “physical” was in the quote or not.
I emailed him at that time, via comment appended to his opinion piece, asking him to cite the evidence for the remaining 1%. He never answered.
Unfortunately van Pelt is a professor of architecture at my alma mater; fortunately I received my honours degree from the engineering school of that institution.
Regarding the Lipstadt/Irving trial. Franny seems to believe that this proved anything about the veracity of anything holocaust related. It assuredly did not!
Irving was convicted of holocaust denial. So what? That did not prove that the holocaust really happened.
The honourable Judge Grey of that trial himself was truly astounded by the absolute dearth of physical evidence that would support the assertions of any holocaust!
Even if something did not occur, one can still be convicted for denying it. That is all that this trial proved.
A good example is the case of kitchen maven Martha Steward. She was imprisoned for lying about something that did not happen!
That’s how corrupt the courts are now.
It’s snippets like “…flames leapt out of the chimney…” that make Franny’s Copy and Paste efforts so hilarious!
Is there any record of crematorium chimneys having to be re-built after the appearance of such flames?
Chimneys are built of ordinary bricks and not fire bricks. Anyone who has experienced a chimney fire knows of the damage this causes.
Clearly you have not been paying attention to the data and scientific proof that I have been presenting in great detail. All of the documentation from Topf and sons, I explained in earlier posts. They ended up not cremating the corpses, instead the incinerated them one after another. During cremation you wait until one body is turned to ashes before entering a new body. In a real cremation the fire never touches the bodies. This data is explained in great detail by Johnathan Zimmerman’s book on body disposal, see link below. Topf’ methodology changed from cremation to incineration where you continually burn the bodies in a super hot oven, one after another creates a high heat,which the Topf engineers said would work 24/7 and was more efficient burn, requiring little fuel.
I am not sure why you would bring up body disposal, it is one of the central themes of deniers, that has been successfully challenged. You are in a losing argument.
With regards to ignoring me. That is a good idea, do not respond to this post, if no one responds I will not answer. I only respond when I am engaged. As I said it will be a blessing my work is suffering, some one should take away my computer. I am a little obsessed.
I want to warn you Carolyn there is tons of German Topf documentation to prove these facts. They took copious notes and worked at the crematoriums to test ideas for faster burn time. Please do not reply.
The other point is that John Wear bases articles on my exchanges, these articles are more ridiculous than anything I write, he regurgitates old info and titles it like it is new. It is hard to stand by and not respond. Like The fate of the Hungarian Jews You might want to read the Hungary Holocaust book on the details of Eichmanns transport orders and the Hungarian’s follow thru. On Eichmann’s orders the Jews were transported to Auschwitz to be murdered and cremated. It was all designed for that purpose.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
This actually shows what a bad engineer you are. To be a good designer or engineer is to be a good problem solver, but first you must identify the problem you need to solve. Which you have failed at. On the Sabbath observant Jews are not allowed to work, flipping a switch causes a spark which creates an electrical current for a lightbulb. That is considered work. A motion detector would be the same as flipping a switch. You are the motion that is creating the current of light to flow.
The problem is very simple to solve. Religious Jews have timer clocks attached to outlets or mounted on the wall that turn the lights on or off, to a time that they set in advance. Usually the lights stay on all evening and are shut off via timer around midnight, no need to turn them back on the next day, and the Sabbath ends 1 hour after sundown.
So you will not be making any good money providing Sabbath-friendly light, which is an example equivalent to what a 5th grade engineering product would look like.
‘…My response: You might find it interesting to know that many Allied soldiers, journalists and doctors found the sights they saw in Berlin and other German cities to be very similar to what they had seen in the German camps at the end of the war. The following are some examples…’
Yes — but you ignore the qualitative difference for the bulk of the victims.
For example, in Nightmares of an East Prussian Childhood, the narrator’s elder sister dies in prison after being caught stealing a potato, and if I recall aright an elderly relative dies a few years earlier than she might have otherwise — but the bulk of the family survives to be deported to the West in 1947.
This is not what happened to most Jews. Holocaust denial notwithstanding, most Jews went to the execution sites and didn’t come back again.
It’s ironic. I in no way, shape, manner, or form wish to condone what was done to the Germans of the East — but in forcing me to differentiate between their fate and that of the Jews, you make it appear as if I am.
Redditt
Ignition of sooty deposits which collect toward the top of chimneys is a frequent cause of roof fires in cities, towns and villages. The flames which cause the fires do not come directly from the hearth, but result from the sooty deposits toward the top of the chimney being ignited by superheated air. This effect is commonplace in chimneys which are not regularly cleaned. For that reason I don’t think that the witness testimony about flames coming out of the Krema chimneys is either curious or unlikely.
You write: “…most Jews went to the execution sites and didn’t come back again.”
My response: Actually, most Jews that went to the German camps survived the war and received reparations from the Germans after the war.
‘My response: Actually, most Jews that went to the German camps survived the war and received reparations from the Germans after the war.’
Yeah: I was pretty sure wind up back here.
There are Russians who deny they committed any atrocities in Eastern Europe at all. I don’t suppose you and they would get along.
The Hungarian Jews received no reparations, maybe a one time $1800.00. People complained as they got older and some world bank got involved for 5 or 6 million, maybe 10 years ago.The German reparations were not that much $7000.00 a year. That is really like a small pension. You are way out of line with this reparations data. I am sure there was some fraud, there always is.
You act like it was some free ride, most of those survivors worked day and night in a foreign country with no language skills doing menial work, until they could get on their feet.
Surprised that you cannot differentiate between the two.
USSR soldiers were given orders/instructions to rape and pillage, which these carried out with diligence and enthusiasm. 10 seconds on google etc. Even Jewish controlled Wiki confirms this.
For the alleged holocaust atrocities not one single solitary authentic document has ever been produced that ordered Germans to go forth and kill all Jews. Eye witness testimony has been proved worthless during the Zundel trials.
Please read my post 1446, above.
Suggest you review what Wiki has to say about chimney fires, then get back to me.
And then please show the Auschwitz crematory operating instructions that would permit the accumulation of soot at the top only.
Interestingly, the Toronto Star newspaper has a story of a crematorium chimney fire, north of Toronto. But the story says nothing of the why and how.
Your insults show your immaturity. Are you an 18-year-old IDF Unit 8200 member? You sure sound like one.
Grow up, already.
Motion sensor switches rely on motion alone. The “act” of merely walking into a room does not constitute performing an action. You are merely occupying space. That, in itself does not constitute performing an “action” such as “flipping a switch”.
My jewish sources like the idea of motion sensors for Sabbath compliance.
You write: “The Hungarian Jews received no reparations, maybe a one time $1800.00.”
My response: You are correct that Hungarian Jews did not receive compensation under the terms of the German Federal Compensation Law (BEG) of 1953 and 1956.
As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual restitution claims under the terms of the BEG. This law provides monetary compensation to individuals who were “persecuted for political, racial, religious or ideological reasons” by the wartime German government. The great majority of these successful restitution claims were from Jews. Raul Hilberg estimated that about two thirds of the allowed claims had been from Jews. Using Hilberg’s conservative estimate would mean that over 2.9 million Jews had received BEG restitution claims by January 1984.
The number of 2.9 million Jewish claimants understates the number of Jews who survived World War II because, as of 1985, Jews in Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania and Czechoslovakia were not eligible for BEG restitution. Also, some European Jews who survived World War II died before the German BEG restitution law was enacted in 1953. The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust survivors” around the world in 1985 had received restitution under the BEG. If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean that approximately 5.8 million European Jews survived German persecution during World War II. Such a large number of surviving Jews is not consistent with a German program of genocide against European Jewry.
So, I will change my statement to read “Actually, most Jews that went to the German camps survived the war, and many of them received reparations from the Germans after the war.”
Not Kosher end of story. The action of walking causes the light to go on. Without you the light will not go on. A clock is independent of a human action.
You can’t bullshit me, Fran, or threaten me; I won’t play along. I have seen all your comments up to now. I brought up specific things you said in one and asked you specific, but simple & direct questions about it. No reason you can’t answer them.
1. On arrival at Birkenau of a trainload of Hungarian Jews, and 800 to 1000 were stuffed into the ‘gas chamber’ at one time, where were the dead, gassed poisonous bodies kept, waiting for cremation?
You have to account for at least 300,000 in a couple months time, so how do you explain how it was accomplished? Since you say the answer can be found in some articles, read the articles and tell me the answer in your own words, just as I am speaking to you in my own words.
2. “Those Jews vanished.” I asked you “What Jews?” Where is the time-lapse surveillance film showing them entering the crematorium but never coming back out after a day or so. That’s what we need to see.
3. “families saw their loved ones go into a building and vanish.” What does that mean? Abduction by aliens in flying saucers? It’s just as ludicrous as that. How could ‘families,’ who were somewhere else, see anything?
4. Your two “eyewitnesses” (Ruth Webber and Miso (Michael) Vogel) saw things they could not possibly have seen (notwithstanding your new argument about sooty chimneys on residential houses, which DO have smoke coming through them continually, unlike crematorium chimneys). They are liars, both. No intelligent person believes they could have seen what they say. Why do you believe it?
Don’t refer me somewhere. Answer me.
These are total bullshit numbers. The state of Israel negotiated with the Germans for $3000 per capita of the 500,000 Jewish survivors that they took in from Europe. There were huge arguments over it, many survivors did not want to take money from Germany. They called it blood money. Wow what a scam. I am not clear on all the numbers but at the end of the war there were 200,000 Jews in DP camps my cousins among them. In order for them to immigrate to the US, my parents and aunt and uncle had to rent apartments and show with documents that they could financially support these families for 2 years. There are documents that I can prove this. I never heard of restitutions as some pot of gold, it was meager, like maybe $290 a month. You are out of your mind. These people were a mess.
My family members lived in horrible areas and worked in menial jobs, although they were educated to try and get on their feet. Most survivors worked unbelievably hard and did really really well in the US and did not need restitution money after a while. $7000 a year was meaningless as income.
I need to see where you are getting your numbers from. I am looking at DP records. Money was not forthcoming to refugees, Despite what happened to the German refugees which was Hitlers fault for for not surrendering and securing the boarders of Germany with a peace treaty, he ran his country into the ground. Jews in Europe lost their homes, their money, art and all of their possessions.
Oh I forgot their were no survivors, they were all just refugees, because there was no Holocaust. Your numbers are bullshit like all deniers trying to make the Jews scam artist. Total bullshit.
You write: “I need to see where you are getting your numbers from.”
My response: I get my numbers and statements from the following sources:
1) Hilberg testimony in Zündel case, Toronto District Court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript p. 1229.
2) Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sunday, March 31, 1985, p. 15A.
3) Weber, Mark, “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million’,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 20, No. 5/6, Sept./Dec. 2001, pp. 29-30.
Your numbers are total bullshit. You are a liar and a fraud. I have been searching for an hour for that fund. Let me tell you the application bar is unbelievable, you have to prove you were in forced labor, from a ghetto, in a camp. You do not just walk in and get it. The only numbers I could find are below dated 2021.
Millions John!!! Prove it.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/holocaust-restitution-payments.asp
https://www.claimscon.org/our-work/compensation/germany-payments/beg/
West German Federal Indemnification Law – BEG
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The original West German Federal Indemnification Law (known as the Bundesentschädigungsgesetz, or BEG) was enacted in 1952 by the government of West Germany as a result of agreements with the Claims Conference. This law encompasses three separate German laws that were adopted in 1953, 1956 and 1965 that provided for compensation to Holocaust survivors.
This form of compensation was referred to by the German government as Wiedergutmachung, which literally means “making good again.” However, this term was not accepted by the Claims Conference and is generally no longer used in recognition of the fact that the suffering of Nazi victims cannot be “made up for” by any amount of material compensation.
There is an old saying:
3 jews 4 opinions…
I have heard both yay and nay from various jews. Some like it, while others parrot your opinion. To each their own.
Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Sunday, March 31, 1985, p. 15A.
I spent $74 to subscribe to the Atlantic Journal and Constitution. Not only is there no such figures of 4.5 million successful restitution claims, the entire article is about the scarcity of getting claims approved. That people were giving up, that you needed legal council and then some magic. There were only at time of the article 3,500 accepted restitution claims. So like all deniers. You not only misrepresented the information. You make up numbers to prove your insatiable need to shows that Jews are deceitful liars profiting off the Holocaust. The article you site is the exact opposite of your theory. I checked with my family and no one from the Ukrainian side of the war received any restitution. As my last posting shows 800,000 in total worldwide receiving BEG claims. You are only off by a few million. This from a formal government document.
If I were to publish the article you claim you took these figures from, you would be deeply embarrassed because it expresses how little compensation Jews were getting after trying very hard. REAL SURVIVORS.
1) Hilberg testimony in Zündel case, Toronto District Court, Jan. 18, 1985. Transcript p. 1229.
I could only find a condensed version of his transcript, I saw no survivor compensation statistics. I doubt Hilberg said 4.6 million because it is a bold face lie. I do not think Raul Hilberg is a bold face liar. I think you are, and are twisting facts.
3) Weber, Mark, “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million’,” The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 20, No. 5/6, Sept./Dec. 2001, pp. 29-30.
Bingo I did find verbatim what you wrote, but look where it comes from a noted H denier from a noted H denier publication. The completely discredited no longer in existence Journal for Historical Review. Or maybe 5 people look at. The figure of 4.39 million successful individual BEG restitution claims. by webber is a lie. A complete fabrication. Maybe Weber is saying that Hilberg is saying that 2/3 of the restitution claimants are Jews, and not referring to the 4.39 million. Whatever it is typical h denial chicanery.
‘…The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust survivors” around the world in 1985 had received restitution under the BEG. If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean that approximately 5.8 million European Jews survived German persecution during World War II. Such a large number of surviving Jews is not consistent with a German program of genocide against European Jewry…’
‘If.’ I think it’s fair to say that your 5.8 million survivors figure represents what you get if you pump the figure up to the max — and note that to get there, you’ve added in putative ‘survivors’ behind the Iron Curtain.
Now, let’s consider those who really did survive — that no one disputes. Around 300,000 German Jews got out before the Nazi policy became outright genocidal. Around 40% of the Jews in France lived. Similar numbers for those in the rest of Western Europe. The figures for Hungary seem to suggest a couple of hundred thousand escaped deportation. There are the dubious ‘Holocaust victims’ of North Africa — who somehow survived discriminatory Vichy laws passed to placate the Germans.
Shall we say a million ‘survivors’ in the West whose reality no one disputes? Then there would be — what — two million who were either in the unconquered part of the Soviet Union to begin with or who fled there in the course of the German onslaught.
Finally, there were a million or so survivors of the camps.
Back of the the envelope, I’ve come up with four million or so ‘Holocaust survivors’ whose reality no one disputes. I don’t think managing to inflate the figure to 5.8 million demonstrates much of anything — particularly as everyone and his brother had every incentive to manufacture a claim. I’m reminded of the utterly fantastic number of unemployment claims filed in response to the relaxed standards of the Covid era.
Would you like a check? A lot of people will say ‘yes.’ You’d be surprised.
You can have your 5.8 million ‘survivors.’ It doesn’t actually rule out the Holocaust.
It was. “Ninety-nine percent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove…”
Yes, Jewish corruption is overtaking everything. The schools, the law courts, the media. We North Americans were never perfect, but we used to treat our own people a lot better than we do now.
Play along with what. Fuck off Carolyn. I have spent days studying Topf and sons crematorium protocols. I know more about cremating humans then you can imagine. I have a PHD in cremation. I know how the middle muffle is hotter than the outer two (3 muffle). How to get the fire so hot that it evaporates the water shortly after entering the muffle. What the warm air induction produces. How to keep the fire hot by continuing to burn, is easier on the fire walls than stopping and starting. Although this seems counterintuitive. If there is ever another Holocaust I could be a Sonderkommando and man the ovens. Not funny.
And what do you want? Not to be directed to the research materials but the direct answers? Do I look like a research center. I am a working person with a full time job. I poured over those Topf documents. GO FIND it yourself. They all original documents typed German documents translated, about the faster cremation needed for Auschwitz. There were architects, engineers, builders, all under the German command with the sole purpose of designing a system to mass murder the Jews with out the Jews or the rest of the world knowing about it in advance. To think other wise is just idiotic. You know that millions were gassed, and cremated You know it and the only way to deflect it is to demand this and demand that, so you can dance around.
All the information is readily available with a quick scan. All of the original documents regarding Hungarian transports are in the book The Hungarian Genocide. Massive amounts of documents.
To show how deranged your questions are.
A child was handed to a grandparent, or another child, The sister and the mother went into the camp, the grandmother and toddler went to the crematorium. That is the entire point they did not see anything. They did not see them. Ruth Webber’s testimony is as concise as sharp knife, completely lacking in emotion. People went into a crematorium and vanished. I am not answering any of your stupid questions.
The primary article I used for my statements in my comment is on the internet at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n5p25_Weber.html. The section “Jewish Restitution Claims” at the end of this article is the relevant section for our purposes.
John you are a fraud and a liar. End of story. 4.6 million Jews are not receiving restitution. If you were any kind of honest historian you could have found that out. You could have gone to government sources and not Mark Weber. The number is 800,000. You cited fraudulently represented false numbers from the Atlantic Constitution article and Raul Hilberg. You are relying on a noted H denier, and a discredited publication, without proper cross referencing, all in the service of proving that the Jews are profiteers from the Holocaust. What is more maddening is, many of the Jews in the Atlantic Constitution article were older and poor and really struggling, and could not get any compensation after trying very hard.
Yeah I read the article you just referenced by Mark Webber. A total lie.
Upon further research your numbers are not just false but horrifically false. At the time of the Atlantic Constitution article. The article states that in 1985 there were 100,000 Jewish survivors living in the US of which only half received compensation. There are 800,000 survivors world wide Jewish and non Jewish. The bulk of the West German restitution was given to Israel in 1951, for a per capita figure of $3900.00 dollars for the 500,000 survivors that immigrated to Israel.
Most of the other restitution claims were granted to German Jewish survivors, you had to show German citizenship prior to the war. There were only 600,000 Jews living in Germany prior to the war. So the figure of survivors is small. But there was restitution for the Jews that left prior to the war and lost their homes and money, to include art work and Swiss bank accounts, which is another entire saga. If you were not a German citizen odds are you got nothing. Czech, Polish, Russian, Hungary and all other Eastern European survivors got nothing from West Germany, France included. In the late 1980’s Germany set aside 500 million for Russian and other Jewish survivors from other countries, as the aged especially in Eastern Europe, were poor and had not much family support.
All in all John this Jewish pirating of German restitution money is the stupidest scam you deniers have ever come up with. Almost no one received restitution. Where you come up with millions of survivors is beyond my comprehension. There were only a little more than a million Jewish survivors thru out the world, that is not including the Jews living in other countries like the US that were unaffected by the war. So you see John, not many Jews survived the Holocaust. Not many at all. Your figures are completely off. There were never millions of survivors.
You write: “Yeah I read the article you just referenced by Mark Webber. A total lie.”
My response: Mark Webber’s article is not a total lie.
The theme of his article is that 6 million Jews did not die in the so-called Holocaust. He is correct in his assertion. The number of 6 million Jewish deaths used at the IMT is based primarily on the hearsay evidence given by the written deposition of German SS-bureaucrat Wilhelm Höttl.
The verbal but never cross-examined testimony of Dieter Wisliceny, who said that 5 million Jews died, is also used to substantiate the figure of 6 million. These two men claimed that they heard these statements from Adolf Eichmann, but Eichmann later disputed that he ever made these statements. Thus, the prosecution’s claim at the IMT that 6 million Jews died in World War II is based solely on hearsay evidence from two German SS-bureaucrats seeking exemption from punishment whose only source later said that he never made the statement.
Stephen F. Pinter, who was a U.S. War department attorney stationed in Germany after the war, disputed the claim that millions of Jews were murdered by Germany. In a statement made in 1959, he wrote: “From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.”
The number of 6 million Jewish deaths appeared again on January 4, 1945, when the Jewish chief of Soviet atrocity propaganda, Ilya Ehrenburg, stated that this is the number of Jews that had died in World War II. How Ehrenburg came up with this number fully four months before the end of the war is anyone’s guess.
Immediately after the end of the war in June 1945, some Zionist leaders were also able to state that 6 million Jews had died during the war. These Zionist leaders made this statement even though the chaos in Europe at the time made any definitive demographic studies impossible.
Mark Weber’s article only touches the surface of how many times the magic 6 million number of Jewish deaths was used before and during World War II. On pages 157-174 of his book “Breaking the Spell”, Dr. Nicholas Kollerstrom lists 166 examples of times the 6 million Jewish deaths number was used before the main IMT even began. A large number of these examples occurred long before World War II had even started.
It is possible that, if someone did diligent research, some of Dr. Kollerstrom’s references could prove to be inaccurate. However, with 166 such references, there is no question that the magic 6 million number of Jewish deaths was planned long before the end and even beginning of World War II.
I will discuss our subject further in a later comment.
Oh please you are worried about making it look far less then 6 million. Because why? So that you can say the holocaust was a hoax. And 4,6 million Jews are getting rich on German reparations? That is your goal. Not the truth.
The fact is John is that almost no Jews survived Eastern Europe. There were 1.3 million survivors in Europe in 1946. 2 million in Russia. A few hundred thousand of them were from Poland. Only 80,000 of the 3.3 million polish Jews survived. 250,000 of the 800,000 Hungarians. It is confusing. But let’s deal with refugees and immigration.
500,000 went to Israel
140,000 to the US.
2 million in the Soviet Union.
Maybe a few hundred thousand to South America.
Almost no Jews left in Eastern Europe. Maybe 80,000
So other than the Soviet Union there is a grand total of 800,000 Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. Maybe half received compensation.
2.8 million survivors from the 9 million pre war statistics. Doesn’t matter what the pre war statistics were. Because you can count a lot of dead and or missing Jews. European Jewry was almost completely wiped out.
You have used that 4,6 million Jews receiving restitution thru out our discussions. And that is a lie. Why should I believe anything you say?
Typical Fran-ism. Even tho said in jest (I assume), one doesn’t get a PhD after “days” of reading company protocols. Two days? Maybe three, for a couple hours each day doesn’t make a mainly illiterate person an expert on a subject.
You give yourself away when you admit what you read were
Apparently these were “ideas for consideration” to speed up the process, NOT practices currently in place. And no doubt were never put in place for good reason. Can you demonstrate that this process you’re going on about was ever used in any actual German crematorium? Of course not, I am confidant in saying. So as usual, it’s just an attempt by you to dodge and deceive.
But even more important, I never asked you about this. What I did ask you was to explain where and how the Zyklon-B infested corpses were stored/kept while waiting for cremation, since the “gassing” was a lot faster than the cremation process. This is a real-life logistics problem. You’re trying to put your Topf company information in place of my very simple questions to you about what you wrote in that one comment that trainloads were murdered on arrival–taken to the gas chamber directly from the unloading ramp. You wrote it, Fran, but it’s such bullshit that you refuse to answer for it; you run away. You and Colin Wright both do this, continually. Dodge responsibility for what you have written.
My questions derive directly from your deranged statements, and your confused and below-standard-English writing. Your attempt to answer how “families saw their loved ones go into a building and vanish” is
So the point of seeing them is that they did not see them. Hmm. And that’s why you will not answer questions, but only point to or post excerpts from books, articles, websites that, unfortunately DO NOT specifically answer the question posed to you.
Let it be known that your final word is: I am not answering any of your questions. Okay, I am done with you, Fran, for the second time. And I do wish others here would be too, but … it seems they are enjoying an easy target like you too much.
“…There were never millions of survivors…”
Well, Franny, the Israeli press would disagree with you!
In the early 2000’s it wrote that over 1 million survivors were still living world-wide.
Hmmm, I wonder how many had to be alive in 1945 for that “over 1 million” to be still alive over 50 years later.
I notice, Franny, that you did not respond to my invitation to read the Wiki article regarding chimney fires. Wonder why?
Because it utterly demolished your nonsense about hot fires to speed up cremation, even adding additional air to raise the temperature of the furnace, as this is totally incompatible with soot formation necessary for chimney fires.
For soot formation low temperature fires are necessary, usually caused by insufficient air for full combustion. Wonder what that would have done to the cremation process? Slow roast barbecue?
Surprised to learn that your PhD in cremation did not teach you that.
One cannot have a debate with the likes of Franny and her ilk. AH already found this out the hard way in Vienna, and wrote down his observations in MK.
That is why I simply point out the glaring lies and inconsistencies she propagates by means of her excellent Copy and Paste skills. Glad for her that she has at least that skill, but it is not PhD material.
Her latest blunder is, of course, soot formation needed for chimney fires. The high temperatures required for efficient cremation preclude soot formation! So much for her PhD in cremation.
The other blunder is where she asserts that there were not millions of Jewish survivors after the war. This statement is completely disproved by the Jewish press in the early 2000’s when it wrote that over 1 million survivors were still alive at that time, world-wide.
If Franny has a PhD in basket weaving, I’d be surprised, as that would be an insult to basket weavers everywhere.
One for Carolyn Yeager’s Christmas stocking?
‘‘The Escape Artist’ who broke out of Auschwitz to warn the world
‘In April 1944 — after around 1.75 million Jews had been slaughtered in front of their eyes — Walter Rosenberg and Alfred Wetzler were among the first people to escape Auschwitz. Rosenberg’s life story is told in a new book out this week from journalist Jonathan Freedland.
‘Man on a mission: Rosenberg – who took the identity of an Aryan Czech, Rudolf Vrba, and kept that name for the remainder of his life – didn’t just escape to save himself: he wanted to bring truth to the world. “It was clear to him,” writes Freedland, “that the Jews destined for destruction could defy their fate here only if they knew of it.” He needed to “warn the world” — and specifically the half million Hungarian Jews who were yet to be transported to Auschwitz at the time of his escape.’
Aside from everything else, the notion that altruistic motives would be required to escape from Auschwitz is a bit of a stretch. I didn’t just struggle to reach safety after the boat sank for my own sake; I was thinking of all the good I could do for humanity if I lived.
‘…Stephen F. Pinter, who was a U.S. War department attorney stationed in Germany after the war, disputed the claim that millions of Jews were murdered by Germany. In a statement made in 1959, he wrote: “From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject…”’
It’s worth pointing out that the extermination camps and sites weren’t in Germany and Austria. Interviewing survivors of camps in Germany and Austria wouldn’t necessarily have revealed much of anything.
You write: “It’s worth pointing out that the extermination camps and sites weren’t in Germany and Austria.”
My response: After the war, it was claimed that Dachau and other camps liberated by the Allies in western Germany had homicidal gas chambers. In fact, the U.S. Army produced a propaganda film supporting the notion that Dachau had a gas chamber. The Army film narrator states in this film: “Hanging in orderly rows were the clothes of prisoners who had been suffocated in a lethal gas chamber. They had been persuaded to remove their clothing under the pretext of taking a shower for which towels and soap were provided.” (Source: David Cole Interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper, Director, Auschwitz State Museum, Newport Beach, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1992).
Today it is no longer claimed that anyone ever died in a gas chamber at Dachau. (Source: Berben, Paul, Dachau: 1933-1945, The Official History, Comité International de Dachau, 1975, p. 8)
Defenders of the Holocaust story have conceded that there were no gas chambers or extermination camps in Germany. We are now told that homicidal gassings and extermination camps were located solely in Poland, in areas captured by the Soviet Union and made off-limits to western investigators. As Dr. Martin Broszat of the Institute for Contemporary History stated in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: “Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed.” Simon Wiesenthal has also stated in 1975 and again in 1993 that “there were no extermination camps on German soil.”
You write: “Interviewing survivors of camps in Germany and Austria wouldn’t necessarily have revealed much of anything.”
My response: Many of the survivors in the western camps such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, etc. had survived the so-called extermination camps in Poland. Stepehn F. Pinter is bound to have interviewed some of these survivors. These survivors would have been glad to tell Pinter about their experiences in the extermination camps in Poland.
‘…My response: Many of the survivors in the western camps such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, etc. had survived the so-called extermination camps in Poland. Stepehn F. Pinter is bound to have interviewed some of these survivors. These survivors would have been glad to tell Pinter about their experiences in the extermination camps in Poland.’
As I have pointed out, and as others used to point out before the Holocaust left the realm of historical fact and entered that of holy sacrament, not necessarily.
Those who actually survived the extermination camps would often rather not have gone into precisely what they did to survive. Indeed, thinking about the accounts of those who did survive, there’s a remarkable absence of anything shameful in their memories. Surely some who lived did so by serving as Kapos, by prostituting themselves, by stealing from those smaller and weaker than themselves, or by defrauding the trusting?
No — they all seem to have been quite innocent of anything reprehensible. It’s remarkable, considering how motivated people usually are when it comes to living rather than dying. As I’ve said, between one thing and another, I suspect a disproportionate number of the ‘survivors” accounts are fraudulent. However, that doesn’t demonstrate the Holocaust didn’t happen. It merely demonstrates that those who experienced it are either dead or would rather not discuss exactly what they did to live.
It should also be pointed out that Stephen F. Pinter is hardly certain to be an objective witness, nor one who would have had much to do with extermination camp survivors.
https://codoh.com/library/document/stephen-f-pinter-an-early-revisionist/en/
He was an Austrian gentile who had emigrated to the US in 1906, at the age of seventeen. After the war, he was primarily concerned with the investigation into Flossenburg, which never did receive many Jews. It was primarily a labor camp, concerned with brutally exploiting undesirables for their labor rather than killing them.
Pinter certainly didn’t lose his affection for his homeland; he actually proposed at one point after the war to settle down in Austria and practice law as an Austrian resident. It’s not especially surprising that he met few Holocaust survivors; and that any he did meet didn’t feel encouraged to share their memories with him. One suspects he didn’t even see it as part of his brief: the question was what happened to them in Flossenburg. Any earlier experiences wouldn’t have been relevant; and he may well have made it clear he didn’t want to know.
Fran herself said if no one replies to her, she would stop posting altogether, and that would be a good thing for her and for everyone else. Any discussion here could (hopefully) get above the joker stage. I don’t think all this focus on Fran Taubman is healthy for revisionism or truth, and that’s why I did what I did. Think about it.
You’ve expressed these sentiments a number of times. It tells me you aim for a “balanced” view that can’t be accused of extremes by anyone. But still, no matter what, “the Holocaust happened.” That’s why I say you’re sitting on the fence and you just won’t get down.
I think you’ve been asked, “What does “the holocaust happened” mean to you. For example, how do you define “the holocaust?” You refused to say but it didn’t require 6 million for you to call it that. So I suspect you have your own definition requirements and they can be adjusted as necessary!
You write: “John you are a fraud and a liar. End of story. 4.6 million Jews are not receiving restitution. If you were any kind of honest historian you could have found that out. You could have gone to government sources and not Mark Weber. The number is 800,000.”
My response: Mark Weber in his article writes that “As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual BEG restitution claims.” Weber uses the following reference as his source of information for this statement: Focus on “Restitution in Germany,” No. 1, May 1985, p. 3. (Information bulletin of the German Information Center, New York City, an agency of the German Federal government).
If you find anything incorrect with this reference Weber uses in his article, please let me know.
In comment number 1492 on this discussion thread, you state that you spent $74 to get a copy of the Atlantic Journal and Constitution article. I am impressed that you would spend this kind of money just to get access to one article. Weber uses this article to make his statement that “an estimated 50 percent of Jewish ‘survivors throughout the world are on West German pensions.’”
Raul Hilberg’s statement that about two thirds of the allowed restitution claims have been from Jews comes from Hilberg’s testimony in the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial. The transcript of Zündel’s trial on the internet is not of very good quality. However, if you go to page 78 of Barbara Kulaska’s book “Did Six Million Really Die?”, you will see that Hilberg makes his testimony that about two-thirds of the restitution claims allowed were Jewish.
So, Weber does have source references for all of his statements. Do you see anything that Weber has misquoted or improperly sourced?
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Bullshit, pure and simple.
Read post 1502 below.
Well, I don’t answer Franny’s postings because she does not ask me questions.
I shall, however, call her out whenever her Copy and Paste effort attempts to propagate lies or other rubbish.
The amusement from her feeble attempts is just to good to pass up!
I have much to say about this, but many of the statistics I am unsure of, so I just sent an e-mail to Alex Grobman, my sister in laws brother, who does actually hold a PhD in Holocaust studies and was in charge of the Solomon Wiesenthal Institute and teaches Holocaust studies. He lives in Israel, so I do not know how long it will take him to respond. He has also published Holocaust books.
I will report back. The BEG fund until 1998 was only for German citizens. Survivors in Russian, and Eastern Europe received no money.
I looked up the Atlantic Constitution Article because you were pissing me off, misrepresenting Jewish survivors as milking the system, and the AJC said quite the opposite, it is very hard to get compensation. As you see in the article clippings below, It does not say that 50% of all Jewish survivors throughout the world receive pensions The article states that 50% of the 110 Jewish survivors in the US receive reparations not pensions, usually in a once off payment. The article further states that only 35% of the claims are approved, and as little a 7% early on.
These are the facts that I have been able to gather thus far. There is a federation of 27 Jewish agencies formed in 1953 under one banner called the Claims Conference, that directly negotiated with Germany to form the BEG. The BEG as I mentioned was formed originally for German citizens, and they added funds thru out the years. There are several different funds in the BEG. The Claims conference publishes a report on the various funds and the amounts of restitution dispensed, once a year. You can get the yearly report, and see the claims. Survivors can apply to more than one fund. There are funds to retrieve money from a dead Jews Swiss bank accounts, and funds for survivors of forced labor industries like IG Fabren, and Krupps. Separate funds for receiving art loss of property. A survivor can apply for stolen property for himself and a dead family member. In addition not all claims were from Jews, and not all claims were approved. Mark Webber and your numbers are misleading and lies. The amount of claims does not equate to the amount of survivors.
It is important to note that the Claims Conference and the BEG does not include restitution to the 500,000 Jewish survivors taken in by Israel after it became a country in 1948. Israel negotiated a separate agreement called the Luxembourg Agreement for its survivors and those were mostly granted in bulk to Israel of billions of dollars, that was paid out to survivors in the form of a pensions.
Here is the quote from the report and I am showing the link to the report itself. You should read the report to see how difficult it was to receive restitution from Germany.
https://www.swissbankclaims.com/Documents_New/665994.pdf
Finally the Claims report of 2021, list the total number of survivors claims from 1951 to 2021. There are no more than 1,046,00 survivors world wide, with the exception of the 500,000 in Israel. There are no more in total 1,500,000 claims world wide. Of the 1.3 million Jews in Europe at the end of the war, there were 2,000,00 in the Soviet Union. The rest scattered. There was a little more than 1,000,00 survivors world wide. Almost no one survived in Eastern and Europe, and Germany and Hungary. In Eastern Europe there were only a few thousands from Romania, Czechoslovakia etc. Of the 3.3 million Polish Jews within the German controlled border less than 300,000.
Here is the Chart from the Claims Conference on the amount of claims paid. From 1953 to 2021. As stated early, a survivor can apply for more than one fund, and can apply for lost property of deceased family members. No where near 2.9 survivors. Or what Webber said 80% of the 4.39 million claimants is a lie.
https://he.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/70th-anniversary-web-copy.pdf
You have misrepresent the following and falsely accused the Jewish people,
– of fraud, that many non survivors were receiving pensions.
-You have falsely claimed that it was easy to get restitution.
– You have falsely claimed that the numbers of applied claims, and restitution proves that many more Jews survived the Holocaust then was reported. These reports show that almost no one in Eastern and Western Europe under German occupation survived. 3.1 million of the original 11 million Jews living in the same area before and after the war, are accurate.
-You have falsely claimed that Jews that were murdered were alive. People have identities, birth certificates, identity cards were needed for transport. None of those Jews murdered Jews you claim are alive have ever been found. You cannot claim that dead Jews are are alive, and therefore because you claim it that it is true, the same hold for the amount of survivors.
– You lied about the 1985 Atlantic Constitution article stating that half of all the Holocaust survivors world wide were on German pensions. The article states that half of the 110,000 American Jews received payments not pensions Many payments are one time only and a very small amount of money, like a one time $1800 payment.
– you lied about the amount of claims applied for vs. the amount of claims paid. The Atlantic constitution states that at times only 35% of all claims were paid, at other times 7% of the claims were paid.
You have lied and misrepresented the survival rate and survivors of the Jews in the Holocaust under the field of Historical Revisionism, which as a historical subject has been proven to be a fake field of study. You are not a historian of historical revisionism, you are a Holocaust denier dedicated to proving a false conspiracy that the Jews lied about the Holocaust, that the Holocaust is a hoax. That Jews falsely claimed of 6 million were deliberately murdered but the Germans in their attempt to wipe out European Jewry, and that most Jews survived and fraudulently receive restitution from Germany.
Your deceit and goals have been exposed to the world, and that is why you will never sell more than 3000 books, or have more than 3000 people read your web page if that many. Holocaust denial is on the way out, even the man you quote Mark Webber has stated that H denial is a loosing proposition because it has been largely proven false.
You further state that the millions of German refugees that were thrown out of Eastern Europe is equivalent to to what the Jews went thru. It is a false comparison. Hitler could have ended the war before the Battle of the Bulge. He did not have to murder 500,000 Hungarian Jews in 1944. Some German commanders should have thought of that and stopped Eichmann and Hitler. Assassinating Hitler was unsuccessful. The catastrophic ending of the war is solely the responsibility of Hitler and his fanatical, irrational idea to fight to the last standing man that brought on the devastation of the German people. No allies shipped out 500,000 million people to be gassed and cremated in an extermination camp. You do realize that in 1944 world governments and the Vatican were begging Hungary to stop the transport of the Jews to Auschwitz.
Nothing good will ever come of your denial, it is an affront to the Jewish people, those that died and those that survived. It is an impossible thought to comprehend what the Germans did to the Jews as and educated civilized society. But it happened.
You write: “You have lied and misrepresented the survival rate and survivors of the Jews in the Holocaust under the field of Historical Revisionism.”
My response: In my opinion, the key statement in Mark Weber’s article is “As of January 1984, there were 4.39 million successful individual BEG restitution claims.”
Weber uses the following reference as his source of information for this statement: Focus on “Restitution in Germany,” No. 1, May 1985, p. 3. (Information bulletin of the German Information Center, New York City, an agency of the German Federal government). Have you been able to determine if this reference is correct?
You write: “Your deceit and goals have been exposed to the world, and that is why you will never sell more than 3000 books.”
My response: The fact that Amazon has not sold my book for some two and one-half years now has hurt the sales of my book. Jewish groups have probably put pressure on Amazon to end its sales. However, my book has sold over 2,500 copies, thanks in part to recommendations from Ron Unz and Paul Craig Roberts. I think it will sell more than 3,000 copies eventually.
You write: “Hitler could have ended the war before the Battle of the Bulge.”
My response: Hitler had never wanted war with the Allies. He had wanted to end the war long before the Battle of the Bulge. However, when the Allies stated their policy of unconditional surrender at the Casablanca Confernce in January 1943, Hitler had no viable option to end the war. This was proven by the mass murder by the Western Allies of approximately 9 million Germans after World War II ended.
No I cannot find the Focus article, I quoted the same amount of claims from the Swiss Claims document as part of the Claims Conference. But that article does not say “successful”, just the number of claims applied for. I quoted the passage from above. The Claims Conference has a continual website full of all the information.
https://www.swissbankclaims.com/Documents_New/665994.pdf
The big difference is that Webber and you equate what you think of successful claims as representing the identical amount of survivors. As I have said, survivors can apply for more than one fund. And many of the claims are for property of the dead as represented by a survivor. You are slipping around to equate claims with survivors. There never were 4.39 million survivors as I have shown you with the data.
You misrepresented the data as presented in total, leaning on a specific number and taking out of context. You misrepresented survivors, claims, and restitution. Typical of what H deniers do. Not searching for the truth, but a way to attempt to portray the Jews as liars, and hoaxers. You have used that 4.39 million claim on this thread to represent survivors. A like
There were very very few survivors of Nazi controlled Europe. There were no homes, no villages, no communities and no intact families. 1.3 million (plus 2 million Russian) out of 9 million Jews.
No one in my family from the Ukraine received any funds from the Germans.
When you mass murder people on the scale Hitler did, with the world watching. Ride in an open Jeep down the Champs Elyse in Paris with Zwastika flags like Caesar. You do not get to set terms for a surrender. Hitler was a mad man, a megalomaniac. He pretended to be a war expert. He should have been removed from power long before the war ended. That is what dictatorships are like. That is why you never let one be elected. He followed no civil or international laws. Bombed London and its citizens. Blame Hitler and the clowns around him, they stood for nothing but racism and tyranny. Do you think people were going to hand him flowers for surrendering?
You write: “When you mass murder people on the scale Hitler did, with the world watching. Ride in an open Jeep down the Champs Elyse in Paris with Zwastika flags like Caesar. You do not get to set terms for a surrender. Hitler was a mad man, a megalomaniac.”
My response: I do not think that Hitler was primarily responsible for starting World War II. You can read the first four chapters of my book “Germany’s War” for why I reach this conclusion. My book is located on this website at https://www.unz.com/book/john_wear__germanys-war/ if you care to read it.
You write about Hitler: “Bombed London and its citizens.”
My response: Great Britain began bombing German cities and civilians on May 11, 1940, the day after Winston Churchill replaced Neville Chamberlain as prime minister. Hitler did not retaliate with the bombing of London and other British cities until September 7, 1940.
Hitler had never wanted to go to war against Great Britain. However, once Britain declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939, there was no possibility of Germany making peace with Britain. British leaders such as Winston Churchill were committed to the complete destruction of Germany.
My my my, that Franny still believes that 6 million less 3 million equals 6 million.
How can one have an intelligent discussion with someone who believes this?
Reminds me of the quip by a Russian diplomat who was quoted: “How can one have an intelligent discussion with people who don’t know the difference between Austria and Australia”, when said diplomat was questioned how his talks with the USA representatives were progressing.
I am not going to argue the war with you. I am here to refute lies about Jews, Judaism, and Jewish history. The Germans mass murdered the Jews in an attempt to rid Europe of Jews. The numbers Webber and you used were false, and give a false idea about restitution and the number of survivors, which was miniscule.
If you are interested in how Jew hatred started in Europe during the Middle ages. Here is an interesting article from University of Pennsylvania press. You have to go on line and download it. Below are some excerpts. This argument illuminates the reason why the Jews were hated, and the irrationality of the way Jews were viewed, from the Middle ages until the war. The conflicts between Judaism and the Catholic Church and Jesus. The way the Jews were kept out of the civil life of the countries they lived in.
Magical Thinking in Medieval Anti-Semitism: Usury and the Blood Libel Author(s): James A. Arieti Source: Mediterranean Studies , Vol. 24, No. 2 (2016), pp. 193-218 Published by: Penn State University Press
Stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5325/mediterraneanstu.24.2.0193
abstract: This article examines the specific charges against Jews in the Middle Ages that they killed Christians to use their blood in religious rituals and that they practiced usury. It argues that these and other charges were connected in the web of delusional mental associations that accompanies magical thinking. The article looks at a number of these associative links between usury and the blood libel in medieval and early Renaissance theology, philosophy, and literature, with special reference to Dante and Shakespeare.
You write: “I am not going to argue the war with you.”
My response: You were the one that brought it up.
You write: “The numbers Webber and you used were false, and give a false idea about restitution and the number of survivors, which was miniscule.”
My response: I have met many Jewish “Holocaust” survivors through the years. Steven Spielberg didn’t have any problem finding numerous “Holocaust” survivors for his Shoah Foundation project. You yourself said in comment number 1515 that the “Claims Conference and the BEG does not include restitution to the 500,000 Jewish survivors taken in by Israel after it became a country in 1948.” This is more than a miniscule amount of Jewish “Holocaust” survivors.
I am curious if you want to address the claim that the New York Jewish publication Aufbau documented that on June 30, 1965, 3,375,000 inmates, the majority of whom were Jewish, had survived the German camps and were receiving reparations from Germany. How could there be 3,375,000 survivors of the German concentration camps receiving reparations from Germany 20 years after the war was over if Germany had mass murdered 6 million Jews?
No idea what you are talking about Auflau. I showed you who was receiving reparations. 1.5 million including the Israeli survivors. Do not know why you are bringing this up. This was not a part of your original claim. That is a fake claim. There couldn’t not be 3,375,00 inmates receiving reparations. No numbers support that. There were 3.1 million survivors from Europe, 2 million in Russia not receiving reparations. Total. I see no reason to address that claim. I have documented the survivors and the reparations from the BEG and the Collection agency. You have seen the statistics. You can find phony statistics every where. Why don’t you admit that your information was false? I am not doing any more research since I have proven the survivors and the reparations.
‘…Of particular importance for this article is the long-lived charge that Jews used blood for magical and cathartic purposes…’
But Jews did just that. See Toaff. There was a large and documented traffic in dried human blood for use in religious rituals.
The error here — and in so many Jewish apologias — is not in assuming that medieval and early modern Christians were bigoted, superstitious, and ignorant.
They were, and no one would deny it. The error lies in the totally indefensible assumption that the Jews of the same time and place were any better.
You write: “No idea what you are talking about Aufbau…Do not know why you are bringing this up. This was not a part of your original claim. That is a fake claim.”
My response: One reason I bring this up is that Raul Hilberg was asked about this Aufbau article at the 1985 Ernst Zündel trial in Toronto. Hilberg took it seriously. Hilberg estimated that about two-thirds of these claims allowed were Jewish. (Source: Kulaszka, Barbara, (ed.), Did Six Million Really Die: Report of Evidence in the Canadian “False News” Trial of Ernst Zündel, Toronto: Samisdat Publishers Ltd., 1992, p. 78).
You bring it up because you are looking for loopholes, to try and find more survivors, it is so important to your denial cause. The Hilberg reference is in the same article from the Swiss banks document. Did you read that part I cited? Did you look at the document. It footnotes Hilberg. In the article it says that 4.39 million applied for claims. Neither Hilberg or the article does not say that the claims were accepted. Both Hilberg, the Jews and the rest of the world knows and you can add up the tally in the 2020 claims report that there were no more than 1.5 million survivors to start out with. 500,000 Israelis. If you look at the claims report you will see 3,000 claims here, 125,000 there. You keep wanting to twist to find your happy space of Jewish lies.
What ever Hilberg did or did not take seriously and that was a confusing trial. Hilberg knows that there are not 4.39 million survivors. So put your microscope down. You have been dead wrong on this claim of millions of pensioner survivors. The documents are there.
This is for John Wear not Colin, mislabeled
Toaff was writing a sort of suppose someone was out of bounds. It is not kosher specifically mentioned in the Torah for Jews to eat animal blood never mind human. Kosher rules forbid drinking or eating any blood. So those claims are scams. We have to salt the meat to drain the blood before it hits our lips. That entire Toaff book was confusing, and weird, and not sure. He was one writer.
No one is saying anyone is better than anyone else. That is the entire point. Jews and Christians and all humans pretty much act with in mostly okay, a few awful, and a few really good. Jews were not allowed to participate in civil service jobs, like postal clerks and policeman, therefore a fantasy was able to be imposed on them, people just did not mingle in everyday life with Jews, because they were not allowed to. They were bankers, and money changers for the aristocracy. The real usury, the master users was the feudal land system the aristocracy and empires set up. Where peasants had to pay money to farm and could never own the land. It also took so many servants to support the life style of the aristocracy that the human toll of keeping people in their particular class was awful.
The Jews had their positions and that was that. But Jews did not kill Christian children to use their blood for sorcery.
The article is pointing out the source was magical thinking as the church set out to claim supernatural good powers and supernatural bad powers, and you can guess who was what. It was not until the enlightenment the superstition was replaced by education.
I have been reading through the link you provided us in comment number 1515. This link, which is at https://he.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/70th-anniversary-web-copy.pdf, makes some very interesting statements:
1) Page 4– “In 2021, the Claims Conference will distribute approximately $658 million in direct compensation to over 260,000 survivors in 83 countries and will allocate approximately $654 million in grants to over 300 social service agencies worldwide that provide vital services for Holocaust survivors, such as home care, food and medicine.”
2) Page 5– “The Claims Conference helped rebuild Jewish communities devastated by the Nazis, revive Jewish cultural life in Europe and provide essential services to Nazi victims in 40 nations in its first 12 years of existence. DM 450 million received from the Federal Republic of Germany was allocated towards these causes.”
3) Page 5– “At first, benefits were not provided universally and eligibility for the program was limited to Nazi victims who were former German citizens or who had a recognized status as refugees and stateless persons, and who were in the West. In the 1950s and 1960s, ongoing Claims Conference negotiations significantly expanded the scope of those eligible under the BEG. Subsequently, the Claims Conference has continually pursued the establishment and expansion of other compensation programs and has succeeded in achieving considerable liberalizations.”
4) Pages 5-6– “From day one, the Claims Conference was relentless in its efforts. In 1953, the Claims Conference expanded its original mandate and formed the Committee for Jewish Claims on Austria…In addition, the Claims Conference has sought compensation for Jewish slave laborers, and by 1966 reached agreements with six German companies for payments for slave labor.”
5) Page 6– “The Claims Conference’s original role further expanded with the creation of the Hardship Fund in 1980. Established after five years of negotiations, the fund issues direct payments to Nazi victims who had received no prior compensation and primarily benefitted those who had emigrated from the Soviet Union in the 1970s. The Claims Conference, rather than the German government, processed the applications and determined who would be eligible and administered the payments. Continuing negotiations have liberalized the criteria for this and other subsequent Claims Conference compensation programs.”
6) Page 6 — “Negotiations have continued well into the 21st century. In 2000, a $5 billion agreement was reached with German industry and the government that was primarily for payments for slave and forced labor. A few years later, the Claims Conference successfully negotiated funding from the German government for in-home services for Holocaust survivors. The first home care agreement was for €6 million in 2004. In the present, the Claims Conference obtained agreements for €554.5 million for 2021 and €622.9 million in 2022.”
7) Page 7– “In the most recent years, the Claims Conference has continued fighting for liberalizations of existing programs. Significant liberalizations of the Hardship Fund included hundreds of thousands of survivors including those in former communist countries, those in Morocco, Leningrad, and Algeria. New programs such as the Child Survivor Fund were established, a pension program for 6,500 Holocaust survivors and pensions for Righteous Gentiles in need. Liberalizations in the Article 2 and Central and Eastern European pension programs expanded those programs to tens of thousands of additional Holocaust survivors. Payment increases were also secured for the programs and 200,000 Hardship Fund recipients received supplemental payments. Ultimately, no compensation can adequately address the horrors, pain, and loss experienced by Holocaust survivors.”
8) Page 8– “The chronology that follows is a testament to 70 years of extraordinary accomplishments by the Claims Conference that have led to approximately $90 billion and counting in compensation for Jewish victims of Nazi persecution. However, the Claims Conference’s mission is not complete, and its commitment to Nazi victims remains unwavering.”
I will make a few comments about these statements in my next post.
“…No idea what you are talking about Auflau…”
Franny, if you knew how to spell, 10 seconds on google would supply listings for Aufbau magazine, which was founded in 1934 for German-speaking Jews.
But then, Franny also has trouble with very basic arithmetic…
“…You bring it up because you are looking for loopholes…”
Add inconsistencies and lies, plus nonsense such as 6million – 3million = 6million, and you would be correct.
That’s how discoveries are made.
From the lengthy dialogue in this thread one can reach the conclusion the Jews hate Jews and want to prove them all dead.
You write: “You have lied and misrepresented the survival rate and survivors of the Jews in the Holocaust under the field of Historical Revisionism.”
My response: As shown in my comment number 1528, the Claims Conference states in its report that “In 2021, the Claims Conference will distribute approximately $658 million in direct compensation to over 260,000 survivors in 83 countries and will allocate approximately $654 million in grants to over 300 social service agencies worldwide that provide vital services for Holocaust survivors, such as home care, food and medicine.”
I think it is notable that there were over 260,000 “Holocaust” survivors in 83 countries in 2021. This is a remarkably large number of survivors for an event that occurred 76 years prior to the year 2021. Those survivors have led extremely long lives. Also, total compensation of $1.312 billion in direct compensation and grants is a lot of money to still be paying the over 260,000 survivors of the so-called Holocaust.
You write: “You have falsely claimed that it was easy to get restitution.”
My response: It was probably hard to get restitution at first. However, the Claims Conference shows us in its numerous statements that its diligent and relentless efforts has made it much easier for survivors to get restitution. The Claims Conference has continually and successfully fought for the liberalization of existing programs. They brag about how successful they have been.
“…What ever Hilberg did or did not take seriously and that was a confusing trial…”
Confusing trial??? Because your lying holocost narrative could not withstand vigorous cross examination by a most competent defence counsel?
“…Hilberg knows that there are not 4.39 million survivors…”
Now Franny asserts to be a mind reader, too?
‘Toaff was writing a sort of suppose someone was out of bounds. It is not kosher specifically mentioned in the Torah for Jews to eat animal blood never mind human. Kosher rules forbid drinking or eating any blood. So those claims are scams…’
You obviously haven’t read Toaff’s book. Whatever the Torah may say, there inarguably was a regular trade in what was at least claimed to be dried human blood. He opens his book with a discussion of the activities of a Jewish trader based in Venice whose business was bringing in dried human blood from the Levant.
So that was at least known. Toaff’s claim — which he rather convincingly documents — is that at least one group of Ashkenazim went one step further and obtained and killed a live Christian child.
Really — no foolin.’ I don’t see all Jews — much less all modern Jews — as somehow besmirched by this crime that happened five hundred years ago and implicated perhaps a score of Jews. However, it remains a fact.
Something like the Holocaust, in a sense. John Wear and Carolyn Yeager obviously would prefer that that hadn’t happened. You — equally understandably — would prefer that no case of ‘blood libel’ have any basis in fact.
However, our preferences don’t determine reality. Julian of Norwich may or may not be a fiction, but Simon of Trent appears to be a fact.
…even Jews commit crimes. Sometimes.
260,000 out of 3.1 million (2 million living in Russia) many of the survivors where children in 1948. Recent funding for was provided for Russian and Eastern European Jews who were older, poor, and alone, to help them.
Where is you data John, where are the missing Jews. 9 million at the start of WW2 3.1 million left. Where are all those Jews if not murdered and cremated?
What is more remarkable is that you cannot find the 5 to 6 million missing Jews. Do you have any documents that we can mull over and pick apart? Anything to represent where those Jews went. Whatever you may think all of the numbers were listed and open. There were never 3.42 million survivors receiving restitution from Germany in 1985. Hilberg ws not prepared to go to the Zundel trial to defend the Holocaust, he had no documentation with him, or archival papers. He went there to testify specifically against Zundel. He felt ambushed, and refused to appear at the second trial.
You write: “260,000 out of 3.1 million (2 million living in Russia) many of the survivors where [sic] children in 1948.”
My response: So, what is your definition of a Holocaust survivor? Is a Russian Jew who was never under German control considered to be a Holocaust survivor? Is a Jewish child who was never sent to a German camp considered to be a Holocaust survivor?
You write: “What is more remarkable is that you cannot find the 5 to 6 million missing Jews. Do you have any documents that we can mull over and pick apart?”
My response: Who says there were 5 to 6 million missing Jews? Do you have any documents to support your claim that we can mull over and pick apart?
You write: “Hilberg ws not prepared to go to the Zundel trial to defend the Holocaust, he had no documentation with him, or archival papers. He went there to testify specifically against Zundel. He felt ambushed, and refused to appear at the second trial.”
My response: Hilberg was regarded in 1985 as the world’s leading authority on the so-called Holocaust. He was the best witness supporters of the “Holocaust” had. Hilberg knew he was going to be cross-examined on the facts of the alleged Holocaust. He was not ambushed. Hilberg refused to reappear in the 1988 Zundel trial because he had done such a poor job testifying in the first trial.
It should be noted that the prosecution in both of the Ernst Zündel trials could not produce any effective or credible witnesses. Even the famous Rudolf Vrba was demolished on cross-examination at the first trial. Ernst Zündel’s eyewitnesses, by contrast, made very effective witnesses at both of his trials.
I misspoke with that line. 3.1 million Jews left in Europe and Russia, after the war. There were 1.3 Jewish survivors of German occupied territory. That would include France and Italy, but not the Uk, or Russia. 2.3 million out of 9 million.
Jews report 5 to 6 million Jews missing. These are Jews that were listed as citizens of countries with birth certificates and citizens papers. They are missing. Do you have any documentation of where those missing Jews reside? They are not known to reside anywhere and are reported as deceased. Can you find one name on the Hungarian transport list that is missing? Can you locate there where about. People do not just go missing. If they showed up in another country they would become citizens of that country. Where did the 3 million Jewish Polish citizens that are missing and were transported from Russia by the Germans.
We Jews have all of our documentation. How many Jews before the war, how many after the war, How many died. We have are figures down. You deniers are assuming, they are alive. If they are not missing where are they? Or like Carolyn says they were abducted. I prefer to think they were beamed on the Starship Enterprise and are traveling in another dimension, avoiding pain and suffering.
Do you know which of your relatives is dead and which are alive? Maybe your mother is not dead and living somewheres else.
Are you saying that the world Jewish community is lying about who is dead? If you accuse anyone of lying about the dead. You need to show that they are alive, and where they are. They certainly are not alive in the US, or Israel, or any other country that controls their borders and records who immigrates. The names of people entering and where they were from. You cannot hide millions of people.
We are not getting any where with this exchange. Let’s call it quits. I am not sure what you are exploring with your questions to me? We started with quotes from the Atlantic Constitution that I showed were false, quotes that 4.32 million survivors were receiving restitution from Germany in 1985, also false. I have produced the documentation that successfully refutes those false claims. I have furthermore produced many records explaining BEG benefits and Israeli benefits from 1951 thru to 2021. You think those numbers are odd or whatever, means nothing to me. I think your lack of information regarding where missing Jews are at is equally odd.
We are at a stale mate and I do not owe you any more information. You think the 5 to 6 million missing Jews are alive. Fine. I do not really care what you think, since you have grossly misrepresented many facts that you yourself could have verified (as a historian) All Holocaust survivor, and restitution documentation is readily available, has always been available and transparent, as well as the high bar that is used to get those funds. None of this documentation was hid in a vault. There was no way for dead Jews to access, bank accounts in home countries and Switzerland because those Jews were dead. No one to collect the stolen artwork and German looting. Because those Jews were murdered leaving money and property with no one to own it. So you are looking for fraud or lies, look yourself, I am not here to defend the Jewish people or the Holocaust and murder, gassing, and cremation of 5 to 6 million Jews by the Germans.
I bid you adieu.
You write: “We Jews have all of our documentation. How many Jews before the war, how many after the war, How many died. We have are [sic] figures down.”
My response: Please tell me where is your documentation. I would be glad to read it.
I don’t know if you all are still discussing this, but I have a few points:
John Sack’s book ‘An Eye for an Eye’ discusses an account of a Jew from Poland name Lola that went on a ‘death march’ with other detainees and SS men towards the West in 1945, away from Auschwitz. She was a teen, and she supposedly had a younger sister with her. Not all of the people who were detained in 1944 were waiting in 1945 when the Red Army pulled up.
Annelies Frank and her sister were transported from the ‘Death Camp’ of Auschwitz to the hospital in Bergen Belsen to be treated for Typhus. We probably know this because of her current fame and self-promoting father, but there were bound to be many more children that we’ve never heard of, who had similar fates.
It’s not really a million Jews, Mr. Colin, it’s from around 800,000 to three million Jews-depending on who you ask and when. The numbers have continually trended down.
You really should look into the alleged method of death and the alleged method of disposal, both are extremely problematic for all but the most credulous Holocaust Enthusiast.
It was first claimed that Jews were herded down a ramp into an underground room like a bunker, and they were steamed like shrimp or crabs. The problem I see with something like that is the disposal of the bodies would be extremely messy But don’t worry, that story didn’t stick around very long.
Another allegation put forward is that a diesel tank engine (some say German, some say Soviet) was used to ‘gas’ the Jews, but diesel exhaust doesn’t really contain any Carbon Monoxide, so it’s a terrible murder weapon. A guy analyzed the compression of a diesel engine of that type and claims that it could increase the pressure inside the chamber to 1.5 atmospheres, which would result in the room exploding. Another source says that all the air was pumped out of this chamber by the tank engine, which would have imploded the walls and ceiling of the bunker.
Then there’s the burning of bodies in the open air. The amount of dried cured wood to do that is just astronomical. And the ashes, teeth and bone fragments left behind would be incredible, just impossible to conceal.
Some chick from the BBC went to Treblinka with a crew and did just an incredibly embarrassing documentary on the “Holocaust”.
If you believe that Treblinka was a death camp you’re a dupe or a bad actor.
Roe v Wade is settled law
Global Warming is settled science
The Holocaust is settled history
Did you know that Hitler won 6 million Marks in a libel suit?
https://web.archive.org/web/20200929181653/https://www.jta.org/1923/09/04/archive/hitler-wins-in-libel-suit
“…Jewish premise that 6 million minus 6 million still equals 6 million…”
Oops, my bad. That should have been written 6 million minus THREE million still equals 6 million…
The earlier statement in my post is correct.
“…Adolf Hitler is never shown speaking softly, only his speeches and rallies are shown. …”.
The scenes I remember the most are those with AH mouth wide open, and his hands raised with their backs to the crowd.
This is described as Hitler ranting…
What Hitler was really talking about was the requirements for improving the standard of living in Germany. He was raising his hands as described to emphasize his admonition “you have to work for it with your own two hands”.
Imagine a leader of a democratic country telling his people to work for their own betterment! The media would have a field day pillorying such unseemly advice.
“We want it for free and we want it now” is the Leitmotiv of the great unwashed, aided and abetted by the msm.
Anne Frank’s father was, like Chabad Fran, a typical Jew.
What that lacks in credibility it makes up in sheer viciousness.
I’m as sick of having the sainted Anne shoved down my throat as the next guy — but give the rather ordinary girl and her equally ordinary father a break.
Telegram comment posted by Mark Collett:
Rape a German girl and you are free to stay in Germany, criticise Jews and you will be deported.
Tell me again, who is in charge of the West?
https://t.me/markacollett/6445
“Imagine believing diversity is your strength when ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and religious diversity has been the cause of almost every conflict in human history.
It’s like saying ‘cancer is life,’ or ‘AIDS is our health.’” – Andrew Joyce
‘…Rape a German girl and you are free to stay in Germany, criticise Jews and you will be deported…’
Try telling that to Stalin.
The international Jewish establishment were openly hostile to Germany since 1933. As war broke out Germany had to assume Jews were potential war enemies, 5th column saboteurs etc. This the same as FDR putting Japanese Americans in camps after Pearl Harbor. The camps were self-supporting humane work camps with facilities for recreation and entertainment. People died of disease and malnourishment as everywhere in Germany in the last years of the war.
‘The international Jewish establishment were openly hostile to Germany since 1933. As war broke out Germany had to assume Jews were potential war enemies, 5th column saboteurs etc. This the same as FDR putting Japanese Americans in camps after Pearl Harbor…’
Let’s set competing versions of reality aside. Really — believe it or not — that’s not the sole consideration. To think that it is is to think like a stupid goy.
Consider this. When you set up the debate as Nazism versus our good, perfectly harmless, wise-but-benevolent Jewish co-citizens, you’re handing the game to Team Jude.
Set and match. You have to decide — about now would be good. Would you rather be right — or would you rather win?
Try to understand. This fight is real.
Read the book. You will learn that only 2 notes inserted into the diaries long after WW2, in the 60’s, by an archivist, are written in ball point pen. Anne Frank House explains this very well and for once it is right. The diary is found fraudulent on other grounds, not the ball point pen grounds.
I just discovered this webpage and have been going through some of your replies.
Please explain one thing I have been curious about: why is no one, in any case no goy, allowed to question any aspect about the Holocaust, or come up with alternative interpretations or even new facts?
After all, history is continually being questioned and revised, yet the Holocaust is off limits. Why is that? What is there to hide? What is there to gain, and by whom? Prof. Norman Finkielkraut demonstrated the existence of a Holocaust Industry that only Jews benefit from. Is that also HD? Or not in this case since it comes from a Jew?
Raul Hilberg calculated 5.1 million, Gerald Reitlinger argued for 4.2 million, to name but 2 examples, yet no one called these guys HDs. It is my impression that if a goy claims 5,999,999 million, you and your peers will label that goy an HD without any hesitation or nuance.
You are very self-assured in your use of the HD label. So, my overarching question is: how does the HD labeling work, and why you so desperately need to stifle questions about the Holocaust?
David Cole, a Jewish journalist, went to Auschwitz , with video camera in hand, to find out the truth of the matter of the gas chambers for himself. When touring the “gas chamber” he directly asked the guide, “has anything in this room been changed since WW2?” and the guide replied, “It is exactly as it was during the war.”
David Cole noted:
1. The plaster walls perfectly white, and and all metal fixtures showed normal red,brown, and black rust.
This is despite the narrative that Zyklon B was used to kill detainees, and that Zyklon B is a cyanide-based poison, consisting of Hydrogen Cyanide (also known as Prussic Acid, because, when exposed to Iron, especially iron oxide (either red rust Iron(II) Oxide — Fe2O3, black rust Iron(III) Oxide FeO, or any of the intermediates consiststing of mixtures of Iron(II) and Iron(III) in varying proportions such as Fe3,O4, Fe3,O5, Fe5,O6, Fe5,O7, Fe25O32, Fe14O19), it forms the (harmless) pigment “Prussian Blue” (Fe(III)4[Fe(II)(CN)6]3 {which is to say, a complex consisting of a central iron (3+) atom, surrounded by 3 groups of Iron Hexacyanide, each consisting of an Fe (2+) atom at the center of 6 cynide (CN) ligands.
The absence of Prussian Blue in the plaster (despite the local water supply which would have been used to mix such plaster having enough iron in it to be notable by taste without any need for chemical analysis), nor on any of the door hinges, window latches, or any other iron fixtures and hardware in the room.
2. The doors open INWARDS into the room. How could these doors be opened from the outside, with dead bodies preventing them from being opened wide enough for anyone to get inside to remove the bodies? Even if this happened once, the Germans would have IMMEDIATELY moved the hinges so that the doors would open outwards. If this was supposed to be a regimented, efficient process, why would the German engineers and workers not correct such an inefficiency?
3. The doors and walls have GLASS WINDOWS of typical thickness (medium plate glass) and fragility as any other typical window. Why were none of these windows broken out by the victims. And after at leaset one gassing victim would have broken out the windows, why did the Germans not cover over the windows with either wood or metal sheeting?
Conclusion — this room not only was NOT used for mass murder by any cyanide-based poison gas, but in fact, was not fit for the purpose of being a gas chamber of ANY sort, and in fact, bears not a single sign of evidence of having even been used for delousing incoming detainees, as even that activity would have left traces of prussian blue around the room, if, as the story goes, over 1 million Jews plus other political prisoners were processed through the camp.
And what did David Cole get for his research?
Death threaths from B’nai B’rith, such that he had to go into hiding and live under an assumed name for over 20 years.
There were no gas chambers.
Fuck You very much, asshole.
@Dirk Manley
While he was there, Cole interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper, the Auschwitz Director, explained that the gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz is similar to the one that existed in 1941-1942, but not all details are the same so that, for example, there are no gas-tight doors. In other words, the gas chamber is not in its original state but is rather a postwar reconstruction. And there is not a single wartime document or photograph to confirm what the alleged homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz looked like.