Do you have any evidence that smart white guys waste time on this crap?
I’m 4 sd’s up in IQ and don’t do so.

“ctrl f” bell curve “0 results”

what an astoundingly contentless article. How can the author pretend to know anything about the intelligence distribution when he thinks that a black man defeating white scrabble players in any way refutes IQ statistics?

(even ignoring the difficulty of making homemade chess pieces)

Making homemade chess pieces is extremely easy.Even marked scraps of paper will do.

(in more recent years, Gary Kasparov, an Ashkenazi Jew, has indeed become quite troublesome for the Russian government after retiring from chess).

Kasparov is half-Armenian:

Kasparov was born Garik Kimovich Weinstein (Russian: Гарик Вайнштейн) in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR (now Azerbaijan), Soviet Union. His father, Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein, was Russian Jewish, and his mother, Klara Shagenovna Gasparian, was Armenian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

罗恩
i got bad news for you.you forgot to consider that africans have been playing board games for 1000’s of years.the tradition was already there.

http://goafrica.about.com/od/peopleandculture/tp/African-Games-Games-Played-In-Africa.htm

Clutching at straws? The evidence for an African-European difference in average intelligence is so overwhelming at this point, these oddball anecdotes are pointless. Read the Jensen-Rushton review article and try to refute even one tenth of the accumulated evidence — good luck.

Congratulations for this wonderful, well-reasoned and empirical analysis. Conclusive? I cannot tell and expect to enjoy a wonderful and informative debate. Convincing? For me, a definite yes!

Troll: Hippopotamusdrome

“Africans do not have this access to chess materials (which now includes computer programs)”

Utter rubbish, the emergence of these programs actually makes it easier than ever for anyone to learn this if they so wanted, one will find plenty of pirated DVDs on sale when one travels Africa, so getting pirated chess software is not that hard if there was a demand.

If the latent talent for chess existed then it would not take very long for a chess prodigy to be spotted (this article mentions this happening for checkers), a black man contending for world championship would send the liberals to seventh heaven, they would sell both their kidneys and their homes to throw money at any such black man.

Thank you, Chandy. I have to say that no one ever has written such convincing papers against hereditarian hypothesis – yours are the first one which deal a heavy blow to my confidence in that hypothesis. I hope the hereditarians will write an answer as soon as posisible.

Heh. You are a cartoon of cherry picking.

On a more practical note, you don’t see where your mistake is?

This article is an emphatic refutation of something…

Thanks to both the author and UR for this. It’s the only article I’ve seen here that deals with the topic in an intelligent manner, tho I confess to not having read them all!

Nobody said that there are no blacks in the right tail of the bell curve, but that the median IQ is lower than the median IQ of all other races. I doubt that the pool of scrabble players is a representative sample of the population.
Given that Nigeria has a population of 173 million (expected to grow to 440 million by the end of the century) it is not surprising that they will have a decent number of very smart people, but not as many as you would find among 173 million Ashkenazim.

种族假说的可证伪部分已得到适当证伪。

Very good. Now the West can rest assured that Africa, the Caribbean, and all other Black areas are fully capable of engaging and solving their own problems without Western help. The West’s only duty is to completely disengage so that Black native intelligence can flourish and build superior civilizations.

Success in higher mathematics is often correlated with a high verbal intelligence; high end scrabble players the same.

Looking at just success in scrabble or checkers narrows the kind of society building intelligence we are looking at in these pages. Heck, by some measures, chimpanzees are smarter than humans.

We are pretty much barraged with anecdotes about high achieving individual Blacks. There seems to be missing the cooperative spark for building and maintaining an industrial infrastructure.

So, from where 不 问题 ‘where be all the white wimmen?’ 来？

CHANDA put so many word’s to make a foolish comparison. I have a very simple question for her: “How come so many White and Jew criminals received far more Nobel Peace prizes as compared to Black folks? NONE – because Barack Obama is only 50% Black due to his White mother.

That means, Blacks have low IQ because they’re not murderous or war criminals!!

Let me quote Eric Margolis from his book, “War at the Top of the World”.

“When Indian were enjoying a great civilization under Mughal rule – London was a city of 15,000 unwashed people.”

David Brooks in his January 12 Op-Ed column ”The Tel Aviv Cluster’ in the New York Times boasted many Jewish achievements considering they make-up only 0.2% of world’s population. He claimed that 54% of world chess champions, 27% of the Nobel physics laureates and 31% of the medicine laureates are Jewish. David Brooks also adds that though Jews make only 2% of United States population – 21% of Ivy League student bodies, 26% of the Kennedy Center honorees, 37% of Academy Award winning directors, 38% of those on a recent Business Week list of leading philanthropists and 51% of Pulitzer Prize winners for non-fiction are Jewish. I, too, find them very laudable. But then David Brooks come out of his Hasbara (propaganda) liter-box by equating these Jewish achievement with Israeli achievements – as if the great majority of 12.7 million world Jewish population lives inside Jewish occupied Palestine. ….

https://rehmat1.com/2010/01/21/jewish-or-israeli-achievements/

Sorry. Much like a Jeopardy contestant, Scrabble relies on rote retention skills. A good memory makes for a good scrabble player. Not a genius.

Perhaps blacks in Africa have even more free time on their hands relative to their American counterparts.OMG! We could make one hell of a dent in black criminality her in the states by giving out scrabble boards.

No measurement or discussion of statistical significance. The article is mostly hand waving. Science is broken today. A proper sampling of each population group for any attribute could be taken and distribution curves developed. Studies like this should use a theoretical statistician to set up the study sampling plan and to review the statistical analysis.

Mental games correlated with intelligence, ”they” are partial expression of intelligence, but generally mental games (included the most complete of all, IQ tests) are just like sports, recreative at best. How perfectly transferable is the strategic agility/ability of the chest players into the real-world contexts**

How well succesfull would the top olympic sprinter in the real world context**

Sports, usually have atomized natures where people learn to do quite narrow tasks.

Real world contexts are usually very complex, with many perspectives, many different knowledges interacting one each other to produce the big picture and with broad tasks or challenges.

Intelligence and any other aspects of behavior is not just their physical features, like brain sizes, and obviously it’s not the results in the cognitive sports such Scrubble.

You’re all the time dispising one of the fundamental rules of Hbd: the exceptions prove the rule.

In just one sentence you’re in fatal contradiction: ” i’m not radical hereditarian, but my main theory is politically correctly hereditarian: ‘defective redneck genes’ make afro-americans dumber”.

Scrabble or scrubble.. whatever

Scrabble like spelling bees are memory games. They do not show logic, reasoning, problem solving or math abilities.

Its funny that folks think IQ and board games have any relationship yes even chess

This article is goofy. Of course the genetic hypothesis is based in evolution, specifically in selection.

Suppose this generation of Africans with at least 130 IQ all had ten children, and those with IQ below 130 IQ had none. Please speculate for us, dear Chandry, what the children’s average IQ might be. Hint: it won’t be 70.

嘿荷马

The Pakis must be brilliant people too.

After all, you’re a nuclear engineer.

棚架

The Igbo of Nigeria (Biafrans), are noted for their intelligence and commercial acumen relative to other groups in West Africa. Tribal origin of the Africans might be interesting.

Scrabble seems to be the odd man out of the three games due to its random factor in selecting new tiles.

I was a pretty good Scrabble player in my day, but I’d sometime lose because my tile set at one point would be five Es, an O and a Q.

Well, it’s called self-help, and I think it should denied to no-one.

It’s everyone’s right to not see the aspects of reality that wound their ego.

Would it be better if it wasn’t public, and regularly featured here?
Maybe. But then, this kind of self-help comes into effect when it’s public.
If others hear your hopes and accept them it’s easier for you to believe them a reality.

These people didn’t even reach the cognitive level needed to formulate written languages and grammars. Writing, and grammar were imposed to them from the outside, to the degree they can be imposed on them (and I think they shouldn’t, by the way).

“I eat apple yesterday”, “I go beach tomorrow”.

Hope all is well (although the repetition of these articles seems to indicate it is not).

Why then correlation with majors usually associated with higher “g”, as noted by Chandy Chisala? It does not seem like only good memory is in play here.

I mean, I do not think this is a “refutation” of hereditarian hypothesis, but Chandy gives reasoned argument and I do not see here refutation of his refutation.

Do you have any evidence that smart white guys waste time on this crap?
I’m 4 sd’s up in IQ and don’t do so.

I play Scrabble with the relatives at Christmas time, and tire of it quickly. Bridge is a better game. Much ado is made about chess requiring genius, but Fischer was a dysfunctional sociopath, and he has a lot of chess-playing company in that regard.

6300 words on this non-issue. I sense someone’s need to publish something that means nothing more than what we already know about Scrabble — people with large vocabularies, if they draw the right tiles, score higher than people with smaller vocabularies.

Soon, those looking for publishing credits will be turning out reams of research on 魔兽世界 天才。

It seems that you have either not read or understood the article. Gabon has 1.7m and several finalists; and Gabon supposedly has IQ of 64. Moreover, it is constantly suggested that means for blacks are narrower, so let’s say 14 instead of white 15. So top players in Gabon would have 5.4SD (equivalent of 181 in whites). The probability that there would be even one top level player in Gabon is almost zero, unless:

* 加蓬有少数人口的智商明显高于总人口。
* 拼字游戏顶级玩家相当于 1SD（115）意味着加蓬人仍然是 3.6SD（相当于白人 154）
* popularity of scrabble is DRASTICALLY (i.e. something like ten thousands more) higher in Gabon than in France.

这篇讨论读起来很愉快。 主流媒体经常向我们提供文章，其中遗传或种族因素从一开始就被排除在外，出于意识形态的任性。 另一种选择通常是同样教条主义的种族主义。 这是我长期以来坚持认为是了解真相的唯一诚实方法的一个例子：仔细、深思熟虑地看待事实，除非被推翻，否则任何假设都是不允许的。 性别或种族/民族差异的问题不能先验地解决； 正如这里所举例说明的那样，它们必然是实证研究的问题。

70 potential scrabble champions were shot to death in Chicago in the month of October alone….and another 350 potential scrabble champions wounded. Can the scrabble community long survive this monthly loss of scrabble talent?

Back to basics. Somebody please answer my simple question:

Are all bell curves shaped the same?

If there are two populations of similar size. And the median IQ (at 100) of Population I equates to X out of Y questions solved correctly in a battery of culture-neutral IQ tests … and Population II’s median IQ 100 equates to (X – 33%)/Y correctly answered questions … then if you push the transparent graph paper with Pop II’s bell curve over to the right until their medians are in the same place … will the rest of the curves be congruent from tip to tip, yes or no?

If the answer is, yes they should be, then if you shift the second curve back, the farthest reaches of its right-hand side will again peter out long before the first curve’s right-hand tail does. There won’t be any individuals in Pop. II with results equivalent to those scored by, say, 145 IQ individuals in Pop. I. If I understand this article, however, such individuals do exist in low-median-IQ populations such as Gabon, contrary to expectations.

(If you reject Scrabble as a proxy for intelligence, pick something else. Perhaps medals at Math Olympiads, which some contestants from Sub-Saharan Africa have won.)

A result contrary to expectations suggest that there is something wrong in the underlying assumptions. What is it?

If I understand you, you are not denying that:

1.) Genes influence IQ;
2.) Differences in IQ can be explained (partially) in terms of genetic differences;
3.) Ethnic groups have different aptitudes viz. IQ, which is partially a result of genetic differences between ethnic groups.

Instead, you are attacking something like the contention that classifications based on continental-racial groups are reflective of different genetic potentials for IQ, e.g. contending that whatever genetic factors contribute to IQ will have more variance within continental racial groups than between continental racial groups. [But perhaps more variance between ethnic groups than between members within an ethnic group. . . especially if part of the drive to create ethnic identity is about preserving a high IQ caste.]

In other words, you are rejecting Lynn’s hypothesis, but not HBD in general. Further, I assume you would agree that African-Americans have an IQ approximately 1 S.D. than Whites, and so much of the racial inequality between these groups is explained by different aptitudes and probably different genetic aptitudes, not white racism.

If so, this causes me to wonder if African Immigrants will seek to distinguish themselves ethnically from African-Americans in the future, or whether the color line will hold? [And what will we call them?] It is clear to me the ethnic interests of high IQ ethnic groups will always be in conflict with lower IQ ethnic groups, if the plight of the Nigerian Ibo is any judge.

Go fix India.

Yes – Sharon…… Who would know better than a KIKE that Pakistani scientists are brilliant. After all they produced Islamic Bomb without stealing bomb-grade uranium from the United States.

In its March-April 2010 issue, the ‘Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’, a magazine founded by Russian-born American Jewish biophysicist Eugene Rabinowitch), reported that “741 pounds of highly enriched uranium suitable for weapons production disappeared from NUMEC while Zionist Jew Zalman Shapiro was president and was likely diverted into the Israeli nuclear weapons program”……

https://rehmat1.com/2011/01/10/us-award-for-stealing-bomb-grade-uranium-for-israel/

if you push the transparent graph paper with Pop II’s bell curve over to the right until their medians are in the same place … will the rest of the curves be congruent from tip to tip, yes or no?

Geometrically speaking, they will be, in mathematics parlance, “similar”. Congruence requires a point-by-point exact equivalence.

Somebody on the north end of the comment bloc already pointed out that medians and averages don’t mean there are not individuals to the right of the median, 3SDs out, etc. There are. That’s what statistics consistently observes. However, the median and the average are what they are.

Alright, let us say Chanda is right.

There are tons of black geniuses.

I only suggest they apply their brilliance to science and medicine than to scrabble or scribbige.

How come you write no new articles anymore ?

“Scrabble Spells Doom for the Racial Hypothesis of Intelligence” article spells doom for any respect for the author or any belief that s/he understands either statistics or logical argument. If the author truly is drawn from the extreme right-hand tail of the Negro intelligence distribution then there is no hope for the survival of much of that race in a modern society.

At this point I think I’ll ignore any further nonsense by this person.

“Scrabble like spelling bees are memory games. They do not show logic, reasoning, problem solving or math abilities.”

It’s far more challenging than spelling bees though.

The more the game progresses, the more one needs to be ‘creative’ in memory.

Here is one of Chandy’s argument. First, the rough calculations:

1SD above the mean = 0.15 (1 in 6.5) (IQ 115)
1.5 SD – 0.0668
2SD = 0.0228 (1 in 43.8) (IQ 130)
2.5SD = 0.0062 (1 in 150.9) (IQ 137.5)
3SD = 0.0013 (1 in 750) (IQ 145)
3.5SD = 0.0002 (1 in 5000) (IQ 152.5)
4SD = 0.000031 (1 in 32000) (IQ 160)
5SD = 0.000000286 (1 in 350.000) (IQ 175)
5.5SD = 0.000000019 (1 in 5.000.000) (IQ 182.5)
5.78SD = 0.000 000 00373 (more or less 1 in 300.000.000)
Now, scrabble is weakly correlated with IQ, though specific skills are at play. Assume being top scrabble player is 3SD above the mean for white players. For Gabon, that would be 145-64=81. Assume SD for blacks is 14, because usually it is claimed blacks have lower SD. Then they would have to be 5.78 above their mean and would mean roughly one top player per 300 million of people. Gabon population is 1.7 mln and few top players.

If top scrabble players would be 2sd above the mean, for gabon that would mean 4.7SD above Gabon mean, meaning there would be something like five people in Gabon eligible for being a top players, three of which made it to the final 10.

To attack Chandy’s argument, you must show either:
* Top scrabble player are not particularly intelligent (say 1SD above the mean – meaning 3.6SD for Gabon, i.e. 1 in 5000, meaning 340 potential top players in Gabon. And no way there is no correlation between IQ and scrabble)
* Gabon’s IQ mean is higher than 64
* There is a subpopulation in Gabon with mean much higher than 64.

For example, with scrabble “iq” for top players being say 115, and Gabon subpopulation IQ mean 85, you have almost 40.000 potential top players in Gabon (compared to millions in France). But then, you would have to only then explain why scrabble attracts more players in Gabon than in France.

Go fix India.

And take all the Indians in the US along to help out. And while you’re at it, take all the smart Negros to Africa and have them fix Africa.

Thanks for the pointer to the interesting Scrabble article. I’m in the (apparent) minority here who think Scrabble actually has some correlation with IQ.

That said, regarding:

the students had SAT scores above 1400 (which approximately translates to an IQ above 143).

The page you linked was a GRE conversion table: http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/GREIQ.aspx
The most recent SAT conversion table there is at http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SATIQ.aspx
and indicates that a 1400 SAT score approximately translates to a 138 IQ (SD 15).

One interesting snippet from the Scrabble paper indicates crossword experts performed better on SAT verbal than Scrabble experts:

Tukey 诚实的显着差异分析表明，填字游戏专家的自我报告口头 SAT 分数（M = 724，SD = 56.50）显着高于 SCRABBLE 专家（M = 657，SD = 89.59），p = .005

Here is more complete SAT information for the three categories:

Differences between the novice undergraduates (M = 692, SD = 63.38) and both crossword experts and SCRABBLE experts failed to achieve statistical significance. No significant differences existed for quantitative SAT scores between
SCRABBLE experts (M = 751, SD = 53.58), crossword experts (M = 737, SD = 81.41), or novice players (M = 736, SD = 62.45).

IMHO there is a major problem with that paper’s SAT analysis though. The ages of the experts are given as:

Twenty-six SCRABBLE experts (Mage = 38, males = 20) and 31 crossword experts (Mage = 35, males = 22) participated.

The 1995 SAT recentering was 19 years before that 2014 paper so the crossover affected many of the experts given that taking the SAT in 1995 implies age ~36 at the time of the paper (right around the mean age of the experts). The paper indicates that the SAT scores were self reported with no mention of an adjustment for recentering. That lowers the apparent SAT scores for the experts older than 36 relative to those younger and the current students. At the 1400 level the difference is ~70 points: https://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-composites
In addition, the difference is larger in the verbal than in the math: https://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence/sat-individual

“Do you have any evidence that smart white guys waste time on this crap?
I’m 4 sd’s up in IQ and don’t do so.”

How much IQ self-testing did you do? Don’t you think it is also a crap not worth wasting time on? A smart person does not need IQ test to know he/she is smart. Actually a smart person thinks that IQ test is crap. So you did not know you were smart until you took a test? You did not know you were smart because you were not good in any games. Never won scrabble. Perhaps you are not smart. You are just IQ-test smart.

“Pretty much everyone wants some money so IQ correlates very well with national income levels (and with income + job prestige for individuals).”

I think it’s intelligence and cooperation.

I’d wager a cooperative community with medium IQ will do better than a nasty society with high IQ. Even among smarter blacks, I see personality and emotional traits that are overly egotistical, self-centered, unreflective, and abrasive.

It’s like a cooperative sports team with good players will beat an uncooperative team with great players(with each playing for personal glory than good of the team).

Black problem isn’t just IQ. It has to do with psychopathy. Obama is someone who did NOTHING in his life but manipulate gullible whites by pretending to be manipulated by Jewish elites.

Blacks know how to shout but not to listen.
Blacks know how to judge but not to take criticism.

Jesse-Jacksonism is rife among blacks.

I mean how pomp-ass can you get?

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jessejacks117365.html

Sheeeeeeiiit, it be rhyming and shit.

Farrakhan and Sharpton seem reasonably smart, but they are pathological to the core.

Granted, ultra-cooperative Japanese have their own pathologies: Servilititis, the sheer cowardice to blurt out what needs to be said. But there are exceptions.

You know, I would love for this to be true: for their to be no genetic basis for a difference in IQ by race. Why? Because that would mean that the observed difference is due to correctable factors.

Despite the article, there clearly is a difference, at least in whatever it is we measure. If the author’s hypothesis is correct, that it is not genetic, then is it a testing error? Something that will be corrected with improved education? A cultural problem? A health or nutrition problem? We have only to figure it out, and we can potentially uplift an entire continent.

How much IQ self-testing did you do? Don’t you think it is also a crap not worth wasting time on? A smart person does not need IQ test to know he/she is smart. Actually a smart person thinks that IQ test is crap. So you did not know you were smart until you took a test? You did not know you were smart because you were not good in any games. Never won scrabble. Perhaps you are not smart. You are just IQ-test smart.

An argument typical and familiar of the 120s IQ guys.

Hey Chanda, great article. There are several possible answers to a seeming contradiction. But the best is to dismiss the problem altogether by pointing out that IQ testing is BS.

IQ numbers cited for various African countries are pretty much meaningless. How did these numbers were arrived at? How many people , say in Gabon were tested? What kind of tests were applied? Were there culturally appropriate?

IQ tests results are just results of some test. Perhaps they correlate with the actual intelligence. Scoring high on IQ test is not necessarily a sign of high intelligence. There are many mediocre people who are IQ-testing obsessed, particularly in atlt-right circles. Some of them score high because they train a lot. Some of these geeks engage in solving IQ tests and puzzles more frequently than in masturbation. These are the ones who like to boast of their IQ’s and express it in multiples of SD. It is alt-right virtue signaling.

I’d love to see that. That’d be great.

I am going to confess my ignorance here. Is that Youtube clip about the Japanese not wanting to insult the boss by ordering something different from him, or is it about not wanting to admit that they cannot understand the menu , or is it about not wanting to to be impolite to the waiter in making an elaborate order ?

You are wrong. Go and read some primer on IQ testing instead of repeating BS which was refuted literally decades ago.

“or is it about not wanting to admit that they cannot understand the menu”

It’s his little moment of rebel glory. A lowly flunky who is more cultured and refined than the big-shots who only know money and corporate culture but treat him like a dog.

He’s supposed to stick to his lowly place, but he put them in their place.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, but your post did not really answer my question, perhaps because I expressed myself poorly.

szopen in comment #46 does a good job of expressing what’s on my mind in logical and orderly fashion.

Scrabble’s seems culturally biased ”to the” black africans…

只是说...

There is no such thing as “IQ-test smart”. There is no better predictor of future success in life than “g” extracted from IQ test. Training for IQ test may raise test results but not “g”. IN other words, you have no idea about IQ testing and yet you try to participate in a discussion, contributing nothing except showing your ignorance.

I really doubt that 15% of the US population has played chess in their LIFETIME, let alone the previous 12 months

five Es, an O and a Q

Along those tile lines, recall that a perennial favorite Scrabble word is Souq (an Arab marketplace), noted for the point value of the letter Q and the potential for a triple letter or even triple word score.

The darker interpretation of Souq comes from contemporary Europe, courtesy of the Merkel Jugend and their analogs in the now-dispersed Jungle of Calais. You might say that the Merkel et al policies really wanted to make Europe 集市 😉 Or if you prefer, Europe could really 集市 if the elites had their way.

Badum-bum, Je suis ici toute la semaine, donne ton serveur un pourboire.

I wonder, Anatoly, if you are willing to apply this idea of selective interest more broadly? Logically, it should be applied to everything, even IQ tests themselves! It is surely plausible that groups differ in how seriously they take these tests. But no!

Indeed, until we can measure “selective interest” (sometimes called motivation), how can we really know about group differences….

But it’s wonderful, Anatoly, how well your mind works when defending a cherished theory…

Chanda, thank you for posting these articles! Anyone with a brain has long known that the standard IQ narrative, the strong hereditary theoy, simply doesn’t hold up…

There are so many holes and in incongruitues in it someone really needs to compile a list…

I’ve have been waiting for another AK article FOR EVER.

I know quality is more important than quantity, but still.

Also, what happened to Jayman?

Zopen is worst that i imagined…

杰兹

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/31/donna-brazile-shared-additional-debate-questions-with-clinton-campaign-identified-her-tipster/

Ah, in the grand tradition of black education.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cheating-trial-20140907-story.html#page=1

Just like the Atlanta case. Now, some people went to jail for slipping answers to students.

Brazile’s cheat sheet for Hillary is surely more grievous since we are talking of real power here.
Will actions be taken for this unethical, possibly even illegal, act?

This is what ails the black community. Higher or lower IQ, there is more psychopathy.

Interesting observations but fails to understand what an IQ test is, why they were developed, how they were used or how irrelevant his study is to an IQ test. Basically they were designed and used to predict a persons success in a culturally western school or employment situation. They do so remarkably well, in fact so well that they can no longer be used because they have a diparate impact on blacks.

Judging from the comments, it doesn’t look like evidence makes much difference in the racist world-view. In these racist blogs on the internet, it appears that White racism is so ingrained, especially against Africans and African Americans, that reasoning from empirical data is just throwing peanuts at a thick carapace, especially of Educated professionals (?) who get high scores on intelligence tests. The Elitism tends to form a shell around the racism, and respecting non-White groupings appears to fracture the racist identity.

Americans tend to identify with power rather than the people ruled by power, a common tendency among earth people. US power has conducted a three century extermination of Indian Americans and the enslavement of African Americans, stealing the homes and homelands from the former, and the labor and freedom from the latter. I would guess that it would be necessary to emplace an anti-racist power system in the US before it is possible to attack US racism effectively.
Especially as the majority of births in this country is of non-White infants and the US is turning into a non-White country like most of the others. This is apparently frightening US-Americans, especially the Educated classes, so ideological denial, historical amnesia, and power delusion appears to be the norm in the racist blogs.

The author reminds me of one of those para-normal researchers, ignoring the preponderance of evidence (or non-evidence) to bring up the seemingly infrequent counter-evidence that he feels supports his very grand claim. I don’t even bother reading his columns anymore, because it’s obvious that he’s on a hunt for a preferred result rather than exhibiting a genuine curiosity about his field of study. It all seems to be a vehicle for something else.

It’s disappointing to see some of the comments here as there is evidence of a kind of ideological block reminiscent even of the SJWs on the other side. I have a few comments from micro to macro:

Firstly of course scrabble is a high ‘g’ loaded game. Just google analyses of championship scrabble matches to see the logical convolutions of thought involved in high level scrabble – involving analyses of the probability of the opponent holding certain letters and the probability of them knowing certain words, leading to complex strategic choices of where to place your letters. In addition, vocabulary is highly correlated with ‘g’ anyway as HBD’ers usually point out themselves.

Secondly, despite the hand waving by some commenters here I don’t see a refutation of the author’s key claim (made more convincingly here than in previous articles) that countries like Gabon (if the stated average IQ for that country is correct) should not produce as many champion level players in a highly ‘g’ loaded activity.

Thirdly many commenters, rather bizarrely, given their love of HBD, seem to be engaged in shifting the goal posts on what ‘intelligence’ is to refer to empirical facts about GDP, etc rather than intellectual potential. I thought the whole point of HBD was a rigorous mono-causal relation between ‘g’ and outcomes like wealth -so you can’t start measuring ‘g’ using wealth itself as a measure!

Fourthly, and more generally, any contemporary conservative political and social theory cannot be based on a mono-causal theory, which HBD is. Mono-causal theories are almost always wrong when they try to explain ‘open fields’ like civilizational success. There are simply too many variables and too much interaction between units. Tying your ideological fortune to HBD is potentially disastrous because any banal empirical refutation of HBD will threaten the whole edifice. I happen to think conservative political thought has a future but HBD can only be a small part of that.

的确。

As a predictive tool for modern societies it is great, because success depends on a blend of motivation and priorities and values, as well as sheer smarts. The IQ is clearly an indistinguishable blend of all these things.

But over time the IQ test has come to mean simply intelligence – not least because we don’t know how to reliably and effectively measure motivation and values, at least not with any precision.

In the end, there is a desire to see IQ as far more than what it is, and no amount of logic or evidence will change that.

There is also a tendency to see things in this simplistic reductive way, which is unlikely to change soon and is a feature of certain kinds of mentalities.

The “bell curve” for intelligence is an over-simplification which is used because it approximates the results of testing very large population sizes, and it allows simplified calculations. It is mathematically a Gaussian distribution, which is the distribution of values you would get for a purely random process. For example if you drop ball bearings from a height, the random fluctuations in the release action and air motion on the way down will cause the bearings to hit the ground at slightly different points. If you plot the distances of each impact from the average along one axis you will get a classical Gaussian distribution.
Human intelligence is not a random function. It will also vary depending on non-random factors such as environment, training, education, culture and, yes, racial composition. If you plot the actual measured IQs of racial groups such as Whites, Blacks or Asians, you have to keep in mind that each of those groups is composed of sub-groups. “Whites” are a collection of people like Swedes, Italians, Anglos, Poles, etc., each of which are genetically slightly different. “Blacks” are a collection of different sub-groups, Caribbean, Nigerian, East African, and in the US with a mixture of Whites in their genetics. Similar with “Asians”.
Furthermore, IQ has biological limitation. You can only get so dumb before you are no longer testable. The human brain isn’t capable of achieving an IQ of 1000, so the left and right points can’t extend out indefinitely.
To your Question, one of the best examples I have seen of what actual “Bell” curves looks like is this plot of real test results from the U.S. National Longitudinal Survey of Youth
http://sites.biology.duke.edu/rausher/lec24.htm
Note a few things, such as the fact that the curves are not perfect bells, and are not symmetrical. For Blacks there was significant trail out to the right so that at the extreme right the frequency of Blacks begins to approach that for Whites.
Perhaps even more significantly, if you measure the test score values and run calculations on them, the standard deviations are NOT the 15 points that would be valid for a true Gaussian distribution bell curve.
For this particular study the measured results are:
Average IQ: Whites 103.3 Blacks 87.5
Median IQ: Whites 103 Blacks 86
1 Standard Deviation: Whites 10.2 Blacks 9.4

What is g? Does it exist? Where does it exist? What kind of animal it is if it exists?

g is really a meaningless construct arrived via a circular reasoning. Circular reasoning and reification are two deadly sins IQ pseudo-science is guilty of. For this reason it is a pseudo-science.

The Spanish World Scrabble Championship is dominated by three countries, Spain, Argentina, and Venezuela. The 2004 World runner-up is an American named Hector Klie, apparently a Venezuelan immigrant. He has a PhD from Rice University in Computational Science and Engineering. 友情链接

I’m surprised that there are no winners or runner-ups from Peru. Peru has several gifted and talented schools that primarily serve the indigenous population and the students do well in math, science, and chess. Peru’s International Mathematical Olympiad team finished 16th in 2015.

Non-majority Spanish speaking countries that are members of the International Scrabble Federation in Spanish include the USA, France, Israel, Poland, and Switzerland.

“But over time the IQ test has come to mean simply intelligence” – Exactly. This is a perfect example of reification. Reification is often tricky. Most people do not notice it and then proceed operating as if the entity called IQ really existed. Ockham warned against it: Non sunt multiplicanda entia sine necessitate. The result is bunk science.

GO AND READ SOME PRIMER, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

All tests tapping at mental skills correlate. ALL OF THEM, no matter whether it is memorizing numbers, tests of reaction times, or mentally rotating the objects. Then there is a hypothesis that maybe those tests measure some hidden variable. There are mathematical methods to check whether there is a possibility of some hidden variable, and those methods do not always result in showing hidden variables. Here they show – and the result of applying those methods to any array of tests tapping at mental abilities is called “g”. “G” is pretty much invariable through life and is THE BEST predictor of future success of life – when measured at youth, it is better of predicting success than SES.

As an example, imagine you have measured variables with results (a) how often one goes to cinema (b) how often one goes to resaturant (c) how expansive food one buys and so on. All of those tests measure some specifics, but also it quite likely they would correlate, so a statistician could infer that there is some hidden variable explaining why people who go more often to cinema, on average (meaning, not always) also buy more expansive food. That statistician would employ special method to calculate value of that “hidden variable” and would call that variable “personal income”, while idiots like you would then complain that “personal income” is just a meaningless construct arrived at by circular reasoning and it does not exist.

DO you get it? whenever you got a bunch of diverse tests measuring mental abilities, they will, on average, correlate. Applying mathematical method would extract some common general factor. This factorisation results are not always the same, but they correlate more than measures of blood pressure in the same person. This is a fact. Even when people created a bunch of tests which were FUCKING DESIGNED TO PROVE G DOES NOT EXIST, these correlated and “g” value could be extracted out of them. The “g” exists, period. You may now try to explain what “g” actually reflects – quality of nervous system? Size of brain? But arguing “g” does not exist simply makes you look like a moron who does not even know what he is talking about.

Fourthly, and more generally, any contemporary conservative political and social theory cannot be based on a mono-causal theory, which HBD is.

No it isn’t, or even close to it.

Are there any HBD-deniers who can restrain themselves from attacking silly strawmen? Rhetorical question, obviously.

Listen you pathetic, totally ignorant, low-IQ moron, being able to beat the crap out of a Harvard grad at some stupid child’s game of Scribble or whatever, doesn’t mean crap all.

We know IQ determines achievement in every sphere of mental activity because, well it just does. And if someone with a low IQ like Richard Feynman — plus a mere couple of SD’s — wins the Nobel Prize in physics, it just shows that the Nobel Prize is sometimes awarded to the wrong person.

It was the same with Carl Gauss. The greatest mathematician the world had ever known — they 说过. Then, when he died, they found he had only a tiny brain — well only average size, anyhow. Then they 知道, Carl Gauss just couldn’t have been that good.

Thank you so much, this is really useful information! Especially the superimposed distributions from NLSY and the empirical data about actual SD’s.

You understand the concept of “average”, right?

This article seems to confirm Scott Adam’s contention that when experiencing cognitive dissonance, most people hallucinate a rationalizing solution to relieve the stress.

Thus it has been explained/hallucinated by many contributors to this discussion that if, at any activity, people of a racial group presumed to be of low IQ outscore people of a racial group presumed to be of high IQ, then the difference in performance must be cultural. Howver, in the minds of most commenters, what seems to be entirely out of the question is the possibility that racial differences in IQ test results could be due primarily to cultural differences.

一样 amazing hallucinatory quality is evident in most contributions to the discussion of the recent unz.com article on 9/11.

with my pathetic low IQ, Can, I can’t tell what side you are arguing on.

Oh dear. I have revealed my low IQ.

I got the apostrophe in the wrong place. I should have referred to “Scott Adams’ contention,” or “Scott Adams’s contention,” not “Scott Adam’s contention.” But who knows, I may hallucinate a good explanation for my error other than low IQ, in which case, I will announce it right away.

IQ = intelligence…

Iqdiots “think” (regurgigates preconceived notions to neutralize their low self esteem) like that…

IQ is a set of tests that “measure” cognitive potentialities… IQ try to reflect what intelligence (s) is but is not perfect… It’s not enough.

Like formula 1 versus real street race with all urban elements increasing the difficultly diversity levels.

Like scrabble versus debate (correctly) in sites like that.

IQ what happen with almost of the recreative sports is de-contextualized, atomized and or acultural. Why?? Because is semiticaly perfect to atomize intelligence specially the conceptions of the intelligence (s) to the whitey from real world/natural contexts, dissociating one each other, where undoubtedly many of redpilled statements will be blatantly right, specially the so-called “prejudices”.

What would proved some of the Chinsala statements would be the existence of real world African geniuses in any place doing “great” achievements and seems we have some rare individuals usually women doing some great social or political achievements in Africa, but that geniuses Africans seems not “common”.

I took the old SATs when the highest score was 1600. My combined score was 1470 something and I know perfectly well my IQ is nowhere near 143, more like 125 according to the test I was given in third grade.

And philosophy majors have IQs of 130? LOL all day long LOL till I fall off the couch.

Competitive scrabble and checkers who knew? Well maybe in an after school activities program.

Happy Hildabeast Revealed Day!!!!!

You understand the concept of “average”, right?

Um, mean? median? mode? You mean that kind of thing? I sorta get it. Yeah. But why?

Sorry for the tone of the previous comment. I was quite irritated by one other commenter.

(1) IQ does NOT determine success. It is however correlated with success, meaning that with higher IQ, you have higher probability of achieveing success (with one caveat: extremely high intelligence may be sometimes obstacle)
(2) IQ is NOT the only factor and I know no serious psychometrician claiming that.
(3) Lower IQ does NOT prevent one from achieving success. It only lowers chances, i.e. far larger percentage of high IQ people will achieve success than low IQ people.

In fact, in one of the primers on IQ for beginners you start with anecdote of extremely intelligent officer who was kicking a shell out of sheer boredom, with predictable results. High IQ does not mean you do no stupid things and no errors. It only means your ratio of stupid things/clever things is lower.

By success, I mean higher income, higher education, longer life span etc.

Actually, the educated classes are the ones that want the country to become non White. It is the educated classes determined to replace Whites in occupations like Drs, nurses, math, accountants, computers, engineering and all STEM occupations with Asians and E. Indians no matter how bogus their degrees.. Government workers at all levels will be indian Hispanic and black. Every other occupation from construction to food from planting through harvest to processing to warehouse to supermarket and restaurants will go to indian Hispanics.

That is what has been taught in the universities since about 1970, almost 2 generations now. That is what educated people believe. In America, the more educated you are the more you hate and despise your fellow Whites and the more determined you are to replace them with non White.

What would be cool, is if some of these Gabonese checkers champs could be identified early, say at the age of eight or nine, and then given a really first-rate education with the opportunity to learn as much math as they can manage.

I think until a native African wins the Fields Medal, there will always be a question about how bright the brightest of them really is. My bet is on the Africans, but we’ll probably not get confirmation of that for a long time because the cultural gulf between Cambridge, Mass. and Soweto is still just too great.

Now that I’m retired maybe I’ll devote myself to wandering the earth searching for some obscure little talent that only old White women have. Then I can prove that we are superior to everyone else on earth.

I myself have a weird little talent, color matching. I once did a 3 day vocational aptitude and preference testing. One of the tests was color matching. There were 800 pieces of leather in 400 shades of every possible color. I matched them all perfectly something no one else had ever done. And it went very fast, most of my time was spent moving the pieces around, not really looking at them.

So I am the color matching champion of the greater Los Angeles area, perhaps in the entire state of California. Didn’t do me a bit of good as there aren’t any jobs for color matchers.

Lower IQ does NOT prevent one from achieving success. It only lowers chances, i.e. far larger percentage of high IQ people will achieve success than low IQ people.

Such statements, when applied across cultural boundaries, seem unverifiable. For example, what would happen if you planted a Harvard grad in the middle of darkest Africa with nothing to his name but an iron pot, a mud hut and ten bucks? Maybe he become a Central African Republic billionaire/cannibal-president/whatever. But it does not look like a sure bet.

Or to take an example closer to home, is it definitely known that the infant child of a white Harvard grad, adopted at birth by a low IQ African-American family, would perform as an adult significantly better on an IQ test, or in getting money, than the child of a low IQ African-American family adopted at birth by a white Harvard-graduate couple?

You said it. It is just a hypothesis. g is just a hypothesis. The existence of “personal income” does not need to be hypothesized. It has a real existence. It can be measured exactly by checking with IRS. It does not need to be inferred from shopping preferences. Besides there are high income people who are exceptionally thrifty. The correlations are not perfect and sometimes very poor. But in case of hypothetical g, which is an unknown entity, you can’t correlate anything with it because g has no values. All you can correlate are scrabble skills and chess skills and SAT and cross-word puzzle abilities and school tests and IQ test scores. And perhaps with hunting skills, and basket weaving skills,…., driving skills….Why would you want to reduce all those skills that mutually correlate to some degree (though not always) to reduce to some hypothetical entity g. It is a very primitive approach of 19 century science that as we know failed in dealing with more complex and systemic phenomena. It suffices to bring up Church, Turing, Godel and Tarski (your 50% compatriot) to see how 19 century grandeur plans of axiomatization (supreme reductionism) failed in mathematics.

Phrenology was more interesting and more creative than all this pseudo-scientific IQ reductionism. Pseudo-science of IQ attracts lots defective intellects. Have you been to Mensa meeting?

His novel arguments aside, Mr Chisala’s ideas are virtually identical to the absolute biological IQ race equality theory (by current community standards it’s far more than a 假说) backed by the mainstream media (and the owner of even this this site) in addition to educational and government establishment in every major country of the West. Arguing against them and their received wisdom theory is seen as gross moral turpitude and has ever-increasing personal costs attached. Hence, what dooms the “Racial Hypothesis of Intelligence” is it doesn’t pay to hold it.

Hating the plebs has been a part of Western elite thinking since the industrial revolution. Disraeli made that clear in his novel Sybil. There are, he said:

Two nations between whom there is no intercourse and no sympathy; who are as ignorant of each other’s habits, thoughts, and feelings, as if they were dwellers in different zones, or inhabitants of different planets. The rich and the poor.

The objectives of the elite are:

(1) to lower wages, or as GHW Bush said about Mexican immigration, “it solves the servant problem.”

(2) to undermine the constitution, written or otherwise, i.e., to rob the common people of their rights by flooding the country with people from countries where people are accustomed to dictatorship and the arbitrary government of men not laws. Such people aren’t going to make a fuss about shenanigans at the Clinton Foundation.

(3) to raise the quality of labor on the assumption that immigrants represent the froth from whatever community they have come: they are, in other words, among the upper half of the IQ, energy and initiative distribution.

Elites in Europe and America do not see population replacement by reproductive suppression combined with mass immigration as genocidal of their own people, because they do not see the common people as “their own people.” Western elites are globalists intent on making common cause with elites abroad, not the stinking masses at home. There objective is global control by the Money Power.

To return to a true nationalism, it would be necessary to reinstate the reproductive system of the Western nations as it existed before the industrial revolution. Then both poor and rich had many children. Most children died but more of the children of the poor died than children of the rich. As a result the rich were downward mobile, their excess progeny making up for the excess mortality among the poor. The rich and poor were thus of one nation and regarded one another with some sympathy and respect.

That’s all finished now, unless folks want to eliminate all welfare and public services, and most taxation. Otherwise, its always gonna be a choice between Hillary and Trump, or some similar pairing of people of doubtful sympathy with the voter.

Re 1st example: Doubt it. But (a) I hope you have noticed that Lynn and all “scientific racist” argued that poverty, pathogenes etc are lowering African IQ by 10-15 points (b) saying that extremely adverse environmental conditions can be detrimental is kind a creating a strawman. Let’s say that I modify my statement by adding qualification “given environment fulfilling minimal environmental requirements i.e. no hunger, war, natural catastrophes, legal obstacles”. While for many Africans those minimal environmental requirements are not fulfilled, it’s hard to argue that they are not fulfilled for all of them; in fact I’d argue that for many Africans their standard of life may be better now than in my country when I was a child.

Re 2nd example: While there is no such example, however you have IQ gaps on all SES levels, and black children coming from higher SES are, on average, having worse results than whites from lower SES. Also, you have IQ being better predictor than SES. Moreover, adult results of IQ scores of adopted children is usually more similar to the biological parents than to adoptee.. adopt.. (f* I hate your English language) to the people who adopted them (Minnesota Transracial Adoption study, for example – I know, small sample size, but it’s better than nothing).

All in all, this strongly suggest that while environment plays a role (a thing which was always stressed by everyone, including Lynn, Jensen, Rushton, Murray etc), you cannot argue that environment explains everything.

Finally, you say “unverifiable” but you then seem to propose how to verify it. Actually you meant “unverifiably because of ethical concerns” because in general, if you would be willing to abandon conerns for morality, you can devise such experiments very easily. Moreover, IQ tests seem to predict chances for success in any modern society, the only kind of society we care for. IQ tests may not predict chances of success in hunter-gatherer cultures, but we are not and we will be not H-G culture.

Apparently, Alden, you have applied your talent of “color matching’ to persons and prefer to have different skin colors in their proper places, i.e. far away from you. Naturally you would not want non-White persons in responsible positions, with their “bogus degrees” as you refer to them. You appear to be an ideal commenter for this kind of blog. Have you discovered Stormfront yet?

Agreed. I doubt it’s even 10% of the white and Asian population of the USA, and more like one percent of the rest.

Except that “g” DOES exist (I mean the existence of “g” is a fact, even though some charlatans such as Gould try to deny it) and it DOES correlate with longer life span, higher income, higher education, less chance for criminal record, better health even, higher chance to get a patent, higher chance to get a PhD etc. “G” is also correlated with brain volume, brain activity, nerve conduction velocity etc.

The fact is that all mental skills DO correlate and “g” is not effect of wishing them to be reduced to single factor, but is an effect of factor analysis. Factor analysis does not always results in a single factor, and here it does, and this is a fact, existing no matter whether you wish it to exist or not. That factor also correlates with biological features and measurable outcomes in life.

And once again, if you measure “g” in children, even using just highly g-loaded IQ tests, it can be used to predict the children’s income, education level etc in future. The accuracy of taht prediction is better than socio-economic status. When you measure “g” in people, it predits better the chances in future job efficiency than previous experience. That means “g” is hardly useless construct. Even if “g” s arteficial, it is still a measure of SOMETHING, even if that measure is not perfect – but there are no better measures. And that SOMETHING seems to be related to what we call “intelligence” in real life.

Median is not all the same as average, and the difference should be easy to understand.

“ALL mental skills correlated [ positively ] with ( psychometric) g”

Less face recognition??

Intelligence is not just cognition at least if you’re a machine. Intelligence is psychological and affective, like it or not.

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/18/more-g-denialism-and-more-gould-refuting/

As much as I appreciate reading you article, Mr. Chandy Chisala, I think – after reading something about scrabble – your assertion that “hereditarian hypothesis is refuted” is too strongly worded. Here is why, reduced to scrabble:

Scrabble definetely must be correlated to IQ, but the correlation may be very weak. In studies I googled master scrabble players seem to be very good at scrabble-related skills, but compared to the control group not particularly better at other skills. Meaning that while being top scrabble player will require above average IQ, your postulated IQ of 140 is probably wrong. I have not found IQ results for scrabble players, so this is a speculation.

Just a comparison, for chess players, I’ve found that players with below average IQ (80-90) were nevertheless able to reach 2000 ELO points, while IQ110 is enough to reach levels of ELO above 2200. The IQ scores for grandmasters reported by google seem to be speculated and it seems to me were simply estimated, not measured.

Seems to me that it is not improbable that top players in Scrabble may have IQ of +1SD.

Now, let’s postulate that in 1.7m Gabon you have, say, a 300.000 strong – minority with IQ of 85. That minority would have 2000 people capable for being top scrabble players; Ten thousand if Gabon IQ is actually closer to 80-85 than to 64. The results suddenly do not look impossible; implausible, yes, but not impossible. All you need now is to get scrabble being seen as more valid to invest resources to in Gabon than in France.

Again, I really look forward for hereditarians response and I enjoyed your writing, I think you presented valid and strong argument, but I do not see it as the one which would really crush the hereditarian hypothesis.

Hm, quite frankly, I don’t know. My first reaction was to say “facial recognition” rarely is considered a mental skill, but that would be escaping from an argument. So it may be an exception, or it may not, I know no studies about that.

编辑： http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2010/01/20/face-recognition-not-correlate/

Seems you are right.

Racial differences on backward-digits tests, on tests of mental decision-making times, and in average brain size are not purely cultural in origin.

Yes exactly — a search for evidence to support a fixed conclusion, rather than a search for evidence to then subsequently reach a conclusion. Not a good scientific method.

I presumed, without reading him but because he was publishing here that Anatoly Karlin was a solid thinker even though he dabbles in what ultimately will be known as a pseudo-science. His comment here demonstrated that my assumption was incorrect. Clearly your (Chanda Chisala) article little bit unhinged him so he dropped his guard. BTW, is Karlin Jewish?

Perhaps it would be useful to offer a working definition of “elites”, since this term has observably different references.

“The objectives of the elite are (1) to lower wages, or as GHW Bush said about Mexican immigration, “it solves the servant problem.”

No, the goal of business elites are to maximize profits and minimize costs, which may include the suppression of wages.

“(2) to undermine the constitution, written or otherwise, i.e., to rob the common people of their rights by flooding the country with people from countries where people are accustomed to dictatorship and the arbitrary government of men not laws.”

How is the Constitution undermined if laws are passed by Congress, which represent the will of the people, enabling people from different nations to emigrate?

“Elites in Europe and America do not see population replacement by reproductive suppression combined with mass immigration as genocidal of their own people”

Because mass immigration is does NOT equate to genocide.

“To return to a true nationalism, it would be necessary to reinstate the reproductive system of the Western nations as it existed before the industrial revolution.”

There is no such thing as “true nationalism”, just nationalism, as defined by a group of people. Praytell, how to plan to coerce men and women to put back into place this 18th century notion?

“g” DOES exist; “g” is a fact; “it DOES correlate”, “g” in children, “g” in people

and on and on… reifications. These are meaningless (no T or F value) statements and some of them are false. Like “it DOES correlate”. How do are you going to correlate g with say income when you have no measure of g. What is your and Karlin’s g values? How do I go about correlating it with say, your and Karlin’s incomes?

Please, do tell what this ‘pseudo-science’ is you speak of.

No don’t you get it, Phil? Those numbers are just constructs by Europeans to show their superiority using THEIR number system, hence it’s clearly biased!

The measured “g” values correlate with measured income. It’s like measured blood pressures values correlate with some health problems, even though measuring the blood pressure in the same man, in the course of few minutes, may give you different values. I don’t know my “g” value because I have never took a professional IQ test (and then I would have to extract “g” value), but it’s hardly irrevelant to the question whether “g” correlates with income.

So yeah, “g” values are imperfectly measured, but ARE measured, and those measured values ARE correlating with income, meaning that “real” “g” values would correlated even stronger. Imagine a scientist can’t get real income values from IRS; he can only estimate my income using some variables like how often I go to the cinema etc. Of course his estimation of my income would be imperfect even though my income is a real thing. Now, using his estimate, he will sure find out correlates with, for example, size of houses bought by people with different estimated outcomes. Correlates will exists even though his measure of income would be imperfect and the imperfection of income measurement would be neither an argument against existence of correlation, nor against existence of income.

Moreover, “reification” is an old argument which reveals lack of strong arguments. It does not matter whether “g” is reified or not, whether I think it is a real thing or not. I assume you are a left-winger. So, “social justice” does not really exist, therefore all advocates of social justice are guilty of reification of “social justice” concept and therefore should be ignored and their arguments are false.

Or say you would invent some test trying to measure racism by testing implicit association bias. While such test was proven invalid, would you accept the accusation that “racism index” does not really exist, cannot be reliably measured, and using IAT scores is reification of “racism” concept, and racism does not really exist, and IAT scores correlation with, say, bias in recruting whites/blacks (they do not actually exist, I just hypothesize to explain why you argument is not even wrong) therefore do not exist?

The measured correlations remain. You still have values of “g” or estimation of thereof, correlated repeatedly by hundreds of replicated studies with vast array of life outcomes and human biology.

Thanks, I will read it tomorrow, as it’s 22:36 here and I’m too tired now.

I committed a mistake!! Face recognition Don’t correlate with IQ. And yes, face recognition is facial pattern recognition, g, 😉

But g is pattern recognition. This explain why almost of IQ subtests correlates one each other. Because everything that is part of the intelligence correlated with basic pattern recognition/logics.

There is an uncanny resemblance between IQ deniers and creationists, from back when the whole “religion vs. evolution” shouting match was in vogue. The similarity is that this a debate between people who are at least minimally educated on the mechanism of a subject (evolution / (IQ) and those who are not (“evolution / IQ” does not exist”). This is extremely obvious to anyone even minimally educated when they look at comments from people like utu or Speccy. It’s the same thing over and over again. There may very well be a minimum IQ for understanding IQ. Or maybe they just don’t want to crack a book.

No, the goal of business elites are to maximize profits and minimize costs, which may include the suppression of wages.

I didn’t say the highest level goal of elites is to lower wages. Self-evidently the goal of lowering wages is to contribute to the maximization of profits.

But in any case, who’s to say that maximizing profit is the prime objective of business elites. For some it may be. For most, i.e., the professional managers, a primary goal might be to maximize their share options and bonuses, the Hell with company profits.

How is the Constitution undermined if laws are passed by Congress, which represent the will of the people, enabling people from different nations to emigrate?

What twaddle is this. Anyone who thinks that Congress represents the will of the people needs to go back to kindergarten. Congress is there to vote as the members are paid to vote by the Money Power. As for the will of the people, LOL.

Because mass immigration is does NOT equate to genocide.

The question of grammar aside, and the SHOUTING IN CAPS (a bad habit you should attend to if you wish to be taken seriously) of course destroying the people by undermining their reproduction, while piling in a mass of foreigners is genocide. Go and read Raphael Lemkin again, you’ll see that there’s nothing in his definition of genocide (a term Lemkin coined) that requires the use of ovens, gas, or bullets.

There is no such thing as “true nationalism”, just nationalism, as defined by a group of people.

This is a silly quibble. If there is nationalism there is true nationalism as opposed to any fake nationalism, such as you might find in a country where the elite promote mass immigration and multi-culturalism.

Also, once one Jew gets into any position of power or influence, there is a fraternatilist favoring of other Jews to advance due to his influence. It’s a tribal thing, not necessarily genetic.

Good at Scrabble, eh? That probably explains why Black Africa had such highly developed and varied written languages prior to the arrival of the White man. And their libraries! Whew! Just thinking about it makes me want to go have a cigarette. And I don’t even smoke. What bad luck for them that they didn’t stick with it. If they’d only kept it up, and kept up with building anti-gravity pyramids instead of wasting their time waiting for the White man to invent Scrabble, we could be living on Mars by now. Unbelievable the lengths some people will go to disprove the obvious, and challenge reality.

And also among IQdiots and their IQ cultism.

IQdiots also love to deny obvious aspects of intelligence such many types of it just because the leftist IQ deniers use “multiple” intelligences as refutation against IQ racial (black white) differences. It’s not science it’s a ideological tribe conflicts.

People on avg are

Horrible to perceive and understand subtleties (over generalizing)

Inept to think via multiple perspectives (IQ measure intelligence, partially speaking… Higher IQ folks are someone who are good to do IQ tests, at priore, based on this perspective… Different types of smarter ones… Etc etc)

It’s always a black white thinking

You do not have “g” values. In practice you have at best a surrogate of g which for most people in the field that you so strongly defend is just a result from some IQ test. So what are your and Karlin’s g values? Give me some numbers. What is the scale?

Great article again, and very interesting data. I can´t see how the “global racial IQ hypothesis” can be uphold, confronted with data like that. On the other side, there are obviously big differences concerning physical ability and personality between the races, it would be strange when IQ would show no geographical variance.

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there are [at least] two physiologically distinct brain structures, the cerebral cortex housing the cognitive structures making up the reflective brain and the undelying mass encapsulating emotional and intuitive and other structures largely responsible for the human “reflexive” pattern recognizer brain. our reflective brain processes serially like the von neumann computers and the reflexive brain processes in parallel to recognizes patterns at the speed of a super computer.

both have their own IQs. a common use of the two working together is to imagine something, get really excited about making that dream a reality and developing and pursuing an action plan to make the dream come true. as the plan gets more realistic and executable, the positive expectation of success triggers lots of dopamine production which in turn produces motivation and one gets into a positive feedback loop making success ever more likely.

(gee, ask eric schmidt, google’s ex-ceo about his experiences with motivation and success on big projects.)

its been talked about and published for a long time that blacks have statistically smaller cerebral cortexes than whites. what does that mean. well, they’r not as good at turning dreams into reality. higher ADD naturally. more emo driven. might explain their greater presence in the emo blues/rock/rap music scene and less presence in silicon valley startups.

so how to the reflective and reflexive brains complement each other on games of skill and pattern recognition like scrabble? reflect on it and tell me.

This is extremely obvious …who are at least minimally educated on the mechanism of a subject (evolution / (IQ)

Whatever is “extremely obvious” hardly needs stating does it.

But how do you account for the fact that I graduated in … Oh, well, never mind.

What is a hallucination experienced by those suffering from cognitive dissonance over the fact that black people may be smarter than white people at some kiddy game, can only be validated by assuming obviousness to all but the morons to whom it is not obvious.

“multiple” intelligences

Gardner is a hack.

Read The Bell Curve for more information.

Tl;dr, it’s pseudoscience–real pseudoscience (other commenter who said Karlin does pseudoscience, take note). It’s not falsifiable, therefore not a scientific theory.

Median is not all the same as average, and the difference should be easy to understand.

Is this, a forum for stating the obvious, or what?

IQ tests born in the scholastic environment, and surprise, schools exist to “prepare good workers”. IQ tests correlated positively with income, occupational status or social class by 一些 原因。

IQ “measured’ Potential’ but one of the most important aspect of human mind, rationality potential, IQ just correlates in very inconsistent way. Almost of super higher IQ folks are invincibly more rational than most of 99% of population??

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And “creativity”?? (I prefer use the term perceptiveness, the pre condition to the creative achievements)

Again and again and again (unfortunately, repeating the same things)

The intention of the IQ never was replace intelligence concept(s) but measure it.

The analytical approach of intelligence in all of its multidimensionality is not just still there but quite valid. Intelligence is partially reducible to the quantitative value. Analyze it is complementary if not more relevant. Become dependent on IQ score system is just like create a system and follow their rules as if was a god, economic system?? As if this system were perfect.

Gymnastics score system seems very similar with IQ where just one athlete will be the champion while it should be not a crazy race with a diversity of different skilled people and with a only one criteria.

“ALL mental skills correlated [ positively ] with ( psychometric) g”

Less face recognition??

Less skill at checkers and Scrabble too.

Again, it would be useful to offer a working definition of “elites”, since this term has observably different references.

“I didn’t say the highest level goal of elites is to lower wages. Self-evidently the goal of lowering wages is to contribute to the maximization of profits.”

Business elites have the liberty to look out for their own property interests. They are merely engaging in capitalistic enterprise.

“For most, i.e., the professional managers, a primary goal might be to maximize their share options and bonuses, the Hell with company profits.”

Company profits enable the managers to earn shares and bonuses, so there is a vested interest to ensure that the company gains as much profit as possible.

“What twaddle is this. Anyone who thinks that Congress represents the will of the people needs to go back to kindergarten. Congress is there to vote as the members are paid to vote by the Money Power. As for the will of the people, LOL.”

It’s not twaddle, it’s fact. Congress represents their constituents, which also includes business elites, who have every right, like non-business interests, to lobby for their own causes. The will of the people will determine to what extent those causes are worthy to support.

“The question of grammar aside, and the SHOUTING IN CAPS (a bad habit you should attend to if you wish to be taken seriously)”

I used NOT as an emphasis. If you were triggered by it, there are a number of safe spaces you are able to find on your local college campus.

“of course destroying the people by undermining their reproduction, while piling in a mass of foreigners is genocide.”

An immigrant does not undermine a woman’s liberty to choose to reproduce. She makes up her own mind with her boyfriend or husband.

“Go and read Raphael Lemkin again, you’ll see that there’s nothing in his definition of genocide (a term Lemkin coined) that requires the use of ovens, gas, or bullets.”

Does changes in population demographics over time due to movement of people and interbreeding constitute:

…an intention to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? No.

…the killing of members of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? No.

…causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? No.

…inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part? No.

…a way to prevent births within a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? No.

…a way to forcibly transfer children? No.

Thus, based on generally accepted definitions of genocide, notions of “white genocide” based on changing population demographics over time and interbreeding are demonstrably false.

“This is a silly quibble. If there is nationalism there is true nationalism as opposed to any fake nationalism, such as you might find in a country where the elite promote mass immigration and multi-culturalism.”

Doesn’t work that way. There is only nationalism, i.e. a patriotic feeling, principle, or effort by an individual or group of people. You are making the categorical error that there is but one “true nationalism” that everyone at anytime must uphold to, lest they are other than being nationalistic. Rather strange on your part.

Actually, I’ve met a lot of people who think they’re smart that say the “IQ test is crap.” I’ve never met any actual smart people who thought that.
But don’t be disheartened, just because you have a low IQ doesn’t mean you can’t be very happy and successful in life. Not everyone can run a 4 minute mile, it doesn’t mean you can’t go out and enjoy a run.

I check out this information on Japan and South Korea losing to Zambia, and indeed they did. But in the same tournament, Moldova with a population of 3.5 million beat Zambia 2.5 to 1.5. France and Spain beat Zambia 4 – 0 each. The poor performance of South Korea and Japan probably has much more to do with lack on interest in western chess relative to other countries than anything else.

Here is the link you provided: http://chess-results.com/tnr140380.aspx?lan=1&art=20&fed=ZAM&flag=30&wi=821

Racial differences on backward-digits tests, on tests of mental decision-making times, and in average brain size are not purely cultural in origin.

That may be so. There are obviously racial differences among the races or there would be no races, and some of those differences are surely mental. The issues raised here, though, are whether (a) racial differences in IQ test results are partly or solely culturally determined; and (b) whether there is something called general intelligence, or g, which dictates relative competence in all spheres of mental activity. This last proposition seems unlikely.

Different races have long existed under the influence of different cultural and environmental conditions and have, therefore, been subject to different selective pressures. One would not expect, therefore, that the relative intellectual capacity of the races will be the same in every realm of mental activity. High population density, as in parts of Asia, for example, might be expected to select for superiority in certain social skills, whereas existence in a small hunter gatherer society would enhance those aspects of calculation and strategic thinking that promote success at the hunt.

The fact that certain African groups that are reputed to score low in IQ tests nevertheless excel at checkers and Scrabble seems to refute the idea that skill at one mental task is tightly correlated with skill at another mental task, e.g., IQ test taking.

Is it too much to ask if Unz can provide us with a scrabble format for debating this issue?

If Chanda and ‘Truth’ beat all of us, I’ll go with the thesis of this article.

Btw, which ethnic group dominates cross-word puzzles?

Whatever is “extremely obvious” hardly needs stating does it.

And yet there are any number of online venues you can visit and observe how there are still people who think the earth is 6,000 years old and possibly flat.

Unfortunately for the West, places like China will continue to investigate the subject of IQ and probably get a sizable leg up on the rest of the world in the inevitable genetic engineering arms race while people like yourself sit back, wringing your hands and gnashing your teeth.

Scrabble is not a substitute for an IQ test. Blacks on average score very low on IQ tests. The article is bullshit.

RR

You already talked it in Pumpkin Person. Do you remember??

I really doubt you have any decent arguments to defend your point of views. The voice of experience.

The existence of musical intelligence/skills or mathematical intelligence/skills is not pseudoscience. It’s just a other way to look for intelligence phenomenon and differently complementary way with IQ.

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IQ and many types of intelligence are not mutually excluding.

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Why some people are contradictions?? Shorter memories?? And why other people can see the contradictions of this shorter memory dudes??

Your name says it all….Jack Shit as in you don’t know Jack shit.

” but not as many as you would find among 173 million Ashkenazim.”

Or whites.

“Blacks on average score very low on IQ tests. The article is bullshit.”

That said, Nigeria does have intelligent people, and they have lots of kids cuz black men love to spread the seed around.
Also, a smart black guy is bound to be more muscular and tougher smart non-blacks. Even a bleek, or black geek, is less geeky than non-black geeks. So, even a bleek might turn on a lot of ‘hos’.

With high-IQ whites, Asians, and Jews have few kids and high-IQ blacks have many kids, the future could be filled with smart blacks.

But the problem is pathology. Even smart blacks tend to be sociopathic or psychopathic, like all those utterly conscienceless Nigerian email scam artists. That is the drag on black societies.

Now, a nation full of sociopathic smart people won’t achieve much since all these smart guys will try to rip one another off instead of working together in goodwill.
But sociopathic smart guys have an advantage in a stable modern society that is run on trust.

It’s like a nation filled with Obamas aint gonna achieve much since each Obama, though smart, will try to jive and hustle his way to the top. All these Obamas will be cheating each other like they something slick and special.

BUT, in a high trust society, a sociopath like Obama can use charm and smoothness all the sucker whites who mean well and want to score virtue-signaling points.

Blacks don’t fool me, but I see so many non-blacks being fooled by Magic Negro BS.
Indeed, sometimes there doesn’t even have to be Negroes around. An all-white community will worship the Magic Negro cuz they read To Kill a Mockingbird or watched HELP.

This is why white folks need a double-mindset.
They should work in Trust mode with fellow whites(as long as they are not Greeks or Southern Italians) but they should work in gangster-mode with Negroes who work in ‘gangsta’ mode’.

We kids in Romania, had a set of a board and cardboard pieces named “Sah si Moara” (Chess and “Nine Men Morris”) that was selling for 3 lei (One US dollar was 12 lei at that time).

The folded board had the 8×8 chess board layout on one side, and the 3x3x3 Morris board on the other side.
Perhaps a copy of the German board game “Schach – Dame und Mühle” used by the Wehrmacht during WW2.

A wooden Chess set was/is not required.

“as long as they are not Greeks or Southern Italians”

Why so you say this?

Dear Utu,

In your vein: Atoms do not exist,
electrons, positrons, neutrinos do not exist!

The abstract notion of DOG does not exist, and is useless, only Fido, Puffy and lassie exist.

Arguing against the existence of “g”, is arguing against the possibility of science.

Scrabble is a stupid game. No matter how well you play someone else will spell “zit” on the triple word score on the last turn and beat you. Boggle would more fair test of intellect.

This article is not well-written and not statistically sophisticated, and contains some silly ideas (for example that the reason for African-Americans not doing as well as African immigrants is related to bad genes from breeding with poor whites). However, as a professional statistician, chess master, and game theory consultant, I have to admit that the data here demands explanation. The situation is very different for high-level chess, but even in chess there are some anomalies (in the USA, teams from inner-city schools with black players often win championships at the elementary and middle school level and occasionally at the high school level).

I have some theories, but I’d prefer to hear from people who know more about the data cited here. (By the way, the 8×8 American/British “checkers” has been solved by computer, but the versions of the game referred to here are more complex.)

The most I will say now is that, there are probably some ethnic groups within Africa, which don’t stand out phenotypically in a way that Europeans easily notice, which are fairly large and have IQs 1-2 SDs above other, even larger, African ethnic groups. This results in much more of s “smart fraction” than you would expect if “black Africans” had a less complex population structure but the same average IQ.

No, the goal of business elites are to maximize profits and minimize costs, which may include the suppression of wages.

Wrong. The goal of business elites is to maximize profits only. Costs can be minimized by minimizing quantities sold, which in turn reduces profits. Thus, the goal is solely to maximize profits, as profits are net “finished” values from which costs are already deducted.

Interesting article. I think the main point of the article–no innate difference in intelligence between races–has not been established. But he does establish that there are brilliant persons of color who can compete at the highest levels in cognitively demanding pursuits. Given these successes, and the IQ required, it does seem to challenge the very low IQ numbers quoted for African populations.

But it is a stretch to maintain that there are no differences between the races. Gabon is not Switzerland.

So… we would agree that the verbally apt fraction (+ 2 SD) in Nigeria isn’t that apt on average — I mean, when we look at the mean scores and standard deviations on international achievement tests. So the argument is that there’s a bimodal distribution?

“Btw, which ethnic group dominates cross-word puzzles?”

In Japan Japanese.

I think the main point of the article–no innate difference in intelligence between races–has not been established.

The HBD “theorists” — classic humanists they be — disagree. They know all dem niggahs be dumb, and it ain’t just “innate”, it is foh-evah. Oh, well, they’re a funny bunch of fuzzy thinkers.

Here’s another way of looking at it: Years ago, I played online Scrabble at work. It’s a good stress reliever. Soon, I was at the top of the leaderboard, and soon there dozens, even hundreds of people playing. It began to consume too much of my attention, so I wrote an algorithm to first sort, then alphabetically increment through all combinations of tiles, at every available attachment point on the board, perform a dictionary lookup, and append the tiles at the point of highest score.

There were some technicalities in the programming that were entertaining, and I wrote it in several stages, in plain vanilla Turbo C for speed and TSR.

If I was cheating, wasn’t I still demonstrating greater intelligence and greater problem-solving ability than those who did not cheat?

After completing the final programming upgrade, I observed that, in terms of games and solutions, I felt I had “solved” Scrabble, and subsequently lost interest in the game. I visit my mother in the hospice most days, and let her win, since she still loves to play Scrabble.

So… we would agree that the verbally apt fraction (+ 2 SD) in Nigeria isn’t that apt on average — I mean, when we look at the mean scores and standard deviations on international achievement tests. So the argument is that there’s a bimodal distribution?

Of course. And there is a bimodal distribution in the American white population, as well. Within the white population, there are people who can play Scrabble well, and people who can’t. Scrabble is not, and has never been a means of measuring intelligence. Chisala’s article — and I am sure that Mr. Chisala is himself a wonderful and humanistic person — the article is margin-filler for some scientific journal, being little more than a listing and exampling of exceptions/deviations from some mean — a possibly meaningless “mean”. (That’s a little pun … you’re welcome.)

The abstract notion of DOG does not exist, and is useless, only Fido, Puffy and lassie exist.

The agnostic dyslexic has said in his heart, “There is no dog.”

The article says nothing of what the black standard deviation in IQ is. White IQ has an sd of 15. If black sd is higher, then black countries can occasionally throw up high IQ individuals despite a lower mean.

The omission undermines the article’s credibility

The long running UK TV game show “Countdown” which is a sort of mixture of Scrabble and a little speed arithmetic has been dominated by Cambridge mathematicians in recent years.

Now that must be partly cultural, but Cambridge is, far and away, the most prestigious place in the UK to study mathematics and the IQs of the undergraduates will be very high.

Given these successes, and the IQ required, it does seem to challenge the very low IQ numbers quoted for African populations.

Since Africans are capable of performing at the highest level in the intellectual domains of Scrabble and checkers, what could explain the low mean IQ of sub-Saharan Africans? Either IQ tests have not been, and perhaps cannot be, properly calibrated and thus give non-comparable results for groups differing in language, culture, or wealth, or IQ is not indicative of intellectual capacity in every domain.

The probability would seem to be that if certain features of African life converge on those of Western society, then African IQ’s will increase by twenty or thirty points as did those of Europeans over the last 60 years. In that case, the inferiority of Africans to Europeans and Americans in IQ can be attributed to the Flynn effect, which has yet to have its effect in Africa.

However, even if Africa is to follow the European and American pattern of increasing IQ with increasing standard of living (or the associated cultural change that has accompanied an increase in standard of living), there remains the fact that Africans already perform at or above European and American levels at Scrabble and checkers. That being the case, it is apparent that IQ test results do not relate to anything fundamental, but are indicative of the outcome of an environment by genotype interaction, which is what just about any biologist would assume.

IQ, in other words, does not measure genetically determined intellectual potential among populations differing markedly in diet, education and culture (or whatever the relevant factors are), but provides a broad measure of intellect as modified by environmental factors. Moreover, IQ does not necessarily reflect intellectual performance in specific domains. Thus, the brilliance of Europeans such as Newton and Shakespeare in pre-Flynn-effect Europe — geniuses as bright as any the modern world has produced despite the dimness of the intellectual background from which they emerged. These intellectual giants of the past, were the counterparts of today’s African Scrabble champions.

If you look at other African countries, such as Kenya, you see substantial geographic heterogeneity which problematizes extrapolations from means: http://www.sacmeq.org/?q=sacmeq-projects/sacmeq-i/readingmathscores One could have a similar phenomenon in Nigeria, with the largely English speaking south being much more well educated than e.g., the Muslim north. Whatever the case, Chanda should show us actual measured aptitude data broken down by regions/subgroups and put this in context. Enough with the word games!

Interesting that South African Whites haven’t produced a chess grandmaster – they used to be a biggish East European Jewish population there.

All the same, if Lynn’s IQ numbers are correct a country like Gabon simply has no business producing scrabble champions. The frequency that it is played would have to be astronomical to compensate for the very low frequency of high IQ individuals – unlikely in a country with patch literacy.

BTW scrabble in the UK is *不是* just a children’s game. In my experience, it is far more widely played by educated middle class British people than chess.

We have very good theories of atoms, electrons… We know their properties. We measure them often directly and also calculate them from other properties. The theories are mathematically sufficiently complex (highly non-linear) that the constructs of atom, electron,…become ineluctable. The structure of matter is complex and thus requires many constructs. There is a zoo of subatomic particles. All those particles are actually necessary to explain the whole. This is not the case with intelligence which itself might be more complex than the theory of matter. But we are nowhere near knowing much about the nature of intelligence and its mechanism. Trying to reduce it to one one-dimensional (scalar) entity g is both arrogant and primitive. It merely states the fact that observations indicate that various tests (IQ test, SAT, memory….) are mutually correlated. It suppose to be a hidden variable that cannot be accessed directly and only manifests itself via the correlation matrix. By positing existence of g we do not explain anything. We just multiply entities against the dictum of Ockham. Only development in neurology will give us explanation of intelligence. It will amount to the model of brain consisting of various specialized subassemblies that interact, communicate and retain some degree of plasticity. Furthermore this intelligence does not exist outside of environment.

Once again, the concept of g itself is useless.

It is about not insulting the boss, but there are a multitude of subtleties here: the head guy lets the mid level guy set the tone. The mid level guy goes with a bland fish/beer order. The head guy signals camaraderie by ordering the same thing, as do the others. The young guy flashes maximum impertinence by taking more time to order, then signals higher taste and refinement by taking more advantage of what the restaurant has to offer, impressing the waiter, complimenting the chef, etc. The old guys are pissed that he broke protocol, but he did so by exhibiting more knowledge and culture.

It’s pretty obvious that there is something here that needs explaining, and that some people are reluctant to address it (I’m not talking about peanut gallery morons, but people who generally have some regard for the scientific method).

“problematizes extrapolations from means” – WTF?

Hey Chuck, did you come up with this phrase yourself? Do you have any idea what does this possibly mean? So please do explain. I know various definitions of mean and know various methods of extrapolations in mathematics so you do not need toe explain them. But I did not know what the verb to problematize is suppose to mean. I found this usage:

“一个术语、写作、观点、意识形态、身份或个人的问题化是将相关人员的具体或存在元素视为挑战（问题），邀请相关人员改变这些情况。 这是一种对常识进行陌生化的方法。”

I liked the “defamiliarization of common sense” the most. It strangely seems to be a very apt description of your writing.

Anyway, explain what did you mean by “problematizes extrapolations from means”. Skip problematize and just explain what extrapolation from means mean?

By positing existence of g we do not explain anything. We just multiply entities against the dictum of Ockham.

正是。

“Science is broken today” because science–actual science–doesn’t reliably supply the results we want today. Cherry picking is much more productive. Cf…

“if Lynn’s IQ numbers are correct” – Most things that Lynn does and writes are not correct, so why would you expect that IQ numbers, say in Gaboon are correct. And even if 10, 100, or 1000 kids were given some IQ test in Gabon the results are pretty meaningless.

Today Scrabble, tomorrow… the world.

Well, only time will tell.

The difference in average IQ between East Asians or ethnic Europeans and people of sub-Saharan African descent is primarily on ‘g’. The Flynn Effect is not on ‘g’.

Yes I agree. Give the black people their freedom. I don’t want there to be any possibility I am holding down the black man or woman. I have too much respect for them to do that!

Is it possible that within these African countries there are different sub-species? I understand that in east Africa it’s a specific tribe that produces the champion distance runners, not the east African population generally. Perhaps the same is true for brain sports.

And there are Ethiopian Jews. They may not get much respect currently in Israel, but they may be far above the general black population in Africa. I taught an Ethiopian young woman here in USA in a class, and she was the academic talent of the class which included at least half white people. She had nothing in common intellectually with what we see with dreary consistency in African Americans. It didn’t require any special cultural understanding or indoctrination on my part, no “sensitivity” etc. She spoke excellent English and comported herself simply as a member of good society, in manner and in thinking. And she got top grades on tests. I don’t know if she was Jewish, but she was an intelligent woman by regular standards who was black.

African Americans were selected a few hundred years ago for incompetence in battle (they lost within Africa and were captured to be sold to slave traders) but physical strength. They cannot be expected to excel in military and strategic skills, which are pretty much the basis of a well respected IQ test which used to be called the ASVAB.

Universities know that they can find talented black students from Africa. When our top universities fill their racial quotas, quite a few of the blacks are such foreign students. The “SAT score gap” would be even greater if they had to fill the whole quota with African Americans.

Care to put a few of those holes and incongruities up?

Memory correlates with IQ, in my experience.

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It’s reasonable to suppose that a group of poor-but-bright people could flourish, if given access to more resources and education. To suppose that this situation persists over centuries is not.

Sub-Saharan Africa has been in contact with its betters for many centuries.

“When Indian were enjoying a great civilization under Mughal rule – London was a city of 15,000 unwashed people.”

Isn’t “Mughal” just another word for “Mongol”? Yes, the Mongols were indeed the font of great civilizations…for me to poop on.

P.S., Muslims castrated and genitally mutilated hundreds of thousands of black slaves. Look it up.

In just one sentence you’re in fatal contradiction: ” i’m not radical hereditarian, but my main theory is politically correctly hereditarian: ‘defective redneck genes’ make afro-americans dumber”.

Kinda stupid, considering American blacks (mean IQ 85) have substantially more white admixture than African blacks (mean IQ…70? 75?).

Assume that the AI revolution is a reality and that:
1. It’s practically impossible to devise a cognitive test to differentiate between a human and an AI system.
2. AI system is built modularly with standard unit in term of ai-core. Depending on the task, more ai-core can be added so that let’s say you only need 10 ai-cores to be an economist or a lawyer, 20 ai-cores to be a family doctor, 30 ai-cores to be a string-theorists, and so on and so forth.

问题：
What kind of test can you devise to determine the number of ai-cores in any given system? Or is this a contradiction with assumption #1?
Will this test have any resemblance to today’s IQ test?
Will this has anything to say about all the intelligence tests we have today?

And if this AI future is a reality, will this become the new way of ranking humans?
Bob = 9 ai-cores
Peter = 14 ai-cores
John = 2 ai-cores

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@亚伦B

So you’re saying that Africans just aren’t motivated to do well on these tests and that’s why they score lower? If so why do tests given to even College populations – who, presumably, are motivated to do well on a cognitive test – test similarly low on IQ (Rushton recorded this).

Why if the disparity is merely due to different motivation does the same indifference Africans show towards cognitive testing seem to apply equally to their diligence in building a functional civilization?

Could their lack of motivation be a reflection of a general indolence that could be correlated with intelligence? Isn’t a component of the psychological make-up of driven people a certain anxiety and dissatisfaction with the world?

Also, how does one train a population of a a billion people to ‘give a damn’?

Finally, have you seen the documentary 尘埃帝国? I was watching it the other day and it struck me that this lack of interest applies to things much broader than just cognitive testing. We’re dealing with something much deeper.

@CanSpeccy

This has to be one of the most insane things I’ve ever read. So you’re saying that despite the masses of evidence from the psychometric field and the complete dearth of cognitive/civilizational achievements today and historically for sub-Saharan Africans and the apparent low-IQ as measured by IQ tests is now meaningless to you because…….. scrabble?

I’ll admit this article fascinated me and, like someone else already stated, I think it demands a good hereditarian explanation but to suddenly throw out years of data and the simple reality of the world around you because of one anomalous fact is madness.

OK, I’m sold. IQ doesn’t exist and blacks are normal. Now we send all the refugees back because they were lying to us about how bad their homelands are.

You make some valid points, but the problem is that there is no other valid measure: no measure of creativeness or rationality. IQ tests, in the meantime, ARE correlated with creativeness and rationality too 😀

As said to us many times by Italians as we toured Italy, “Go south of Rome and they are Africans, not Italians ….” Were they talking about their history, their culture, their genetic heritage, or simply their behaviors? I don’t know.

I guess anyone who notices or experiences the reality of differences among humans is racist. Right?

utu，

I have a feeling like if I am talking to a wall.

(1) My “g” values are irrevelant to a question of whether “g” is a valid concept or not. To get “g” values I would have to pay to be tested, and I do not care. I can estimate my “g” using free tests online, but they are of limited value – I presume my values are in range 125-140, but that does not mean “g” are this inprecise, only that the online tests are imprecise because to get precise results I would have to get oficial tests under control of trained testers, and I do not care – especially since those tests are quite expensive.

Once again, the value of my height is irrevelant to the question whether height is a real concept.
In a discussion whether Poles are on average taller from Chinese, would you keep asking questions what my height is? If I would say that my height is between 180cm and 181cm, and I can’t give you exact value in mm (and for valid reasons: as you know, men’s height fluctuates slightly over a day) – would you now glibly say that at best I have surrogate for height and therefore Poles are not taller than Chinese? And even if my height would be 150cm and lower from average Chinese, would that be really relevant to the question of average differences between Chinese and Poles?

The question of the value of my income is irrevelant to the existence of concept of income. Do you understand this? If yes, why you keep asking the irrevelant questions? Not to mention that asking stranger about personal income is extremely rude and creepy (for the record, i have income much above Polish average).

(2) If you don’t know the basics of “what the “g” values are” then what are you doing here? If you have even basic understanding of “g”, you would know that we standarize “g” values into several different scales (Catell, Stanford, Wechsler…). The fact that those are in part effect of standarization that is, a question of agreement does not mean values do not measure anything.

(3) Let’s say that “g” in fact is a rough estimation, resulting of forcing of several unrelated concepts into one scale. You still have the following:
(a) somehow, those unrelated concept all seem co correlate with the same things
(b) over more than 100 years no one got better concept (with one exception, there is one theory which however is unpopular), and theories designed to prove “g” wrong (Thurons, Gardner’s) all in the end showed “g” exist
(c) you still have “g” correlating with a bunch of outcomes and physical properties of brain.

DO you understand that? The question whether “g” is a “reification” is totally irrevelant, as whatever “g” is, it still correlates with a real things in real world, is a good predictor of personal outcomes, there is no better predictor than “g”, and therefore, “g” is a useful concept.

(4) While you have imprecise and imperfect measures of “g”, they all correlate (meaning, they are within a strict range when measured by professionalists). As I wrote, measurements of blood pressure are not perfect and you can get different values of blood pressure, but still “blood pressure” is a valid and useful concept. Moreover, measured “g” values correlate with outcomes, meaning that more precise measurements of “g” can only increase the correlation.

really, go and read some primer on “g”. Or Jensen’s book.

Let me reiterate the example with personal income, so you would finally understand how absurd your objections are.

Anthropologists from distant star comes to earth and decides to investigate humans. They have no idea about our culture, the concept of money is totally strange to them. They start to investigate males only, they measure how often they buy food – while those aliens have no concept of money, they can notice that quality of food is different, and they measure it in their own imperfect way. After a while, while alien notices that people buying better food, on average – though not always – also have better quality clothes, have larger houses, more often go on vacation and so on. So they postulate that maybe there is some hidden variable and call that “income”.

Now, in reality male expanses are result of his and his wife’s incomes plus the wealth they inherited/amassed; so “income” variable created by alien anthropologist must be imperfect. Moreover, since aliens have no concept of money, they would simply standarize “income” into some ranges in say normal distribution, which would mean that a man X with income “115” has higher “income” than man Z with income “105”, and a man Y with income “125” has higher income by X, but it would not mean the difference between X and Y is the same as between X and Z.

And yet, income does exist (unknown to aliens). The “income” variable would correlate, though imperfectly, with a bunch of other variables. Moreover, after calculating “income”, an alien could (imperfectly) predict outcomes of a given man on a bunch of other variables.

Imagine now that UTU argues that “income” does not exist, because measurements available to anthropologists are imperfect; that “income” is just reification of concept created by aliens; that “eating food” has no relation to “buying clothes”, so postulating “income” variable tying those to variables is absurd; that because “income” does not explain all variation of “eating food” (meaning in “eating food” there is also specific variable involved in addition to “income”) it means “income” is invalid.

All those arguments would be, of course, absurd, as we know that personal income DOES exist and in fact can be perfectly measured – only that alien anthropologists have no idea how. Yet those are exactly the same arguments you are using here.

People should go through the sources he gives, some of it seem to be alittle disgenuine.

For example: He gives the following statistics.

Total Top 100 Top 200
Nigeria 51 24 40
US 71 19 29
UK 139 11 27

Now if you follow the link he gives http://www.wespa.org/aardvark/cgi-bin/rating.cgi

The correct statistics are:

Total Top 100 Top 200
Nigeria 24 11 16
US 75 21 34
UK 152 16 30

Unless he counts alot of people from uk / us as nigerians based on names ( I dont have time to check every name)

There is also some things that he avoids mentioning such that there are 4 different tournament in francophone scrabble.

Elite: Each national federation has a specified number of places in the Elite division in different age categories: Up to 16, 16-18, 18-25, 25-62, 62-72 and 72+. Each of these age categories has its own World Champion, but the individual World Champion is the player that wins the tournament. The tournament is a duplicate tournament where players do not play matches, but play every move with the same letters and board configuration as every other player and try to get the maximum score by playing the highest scoring move every time. Players play 7 games of 2 minutes per move.

Paires: Duplicate Scrabble in pairs, with two players discussing and submitting their solution together. 4 games are played with two minutes per move, followed by 2 games with just one minute per move. Players can form mixed pair, i.e. not both from the same country.

Blitz: A normal duplicate tournament but with 4 games with just one minute per move for all four games.

Classique (match play): Players play 17 games, two players to a board with the final standings being judged by games won and total points scored minus the total number of points scored by the player’s opponents. The top two players in the standings play a best-of-three final to determine the World Champion. The tournament is very popular with African players as Duplicate Scrabble is less popular in Africa than it is in Europe.

The elite duplicate tournament have been dominated by europeans, there have never been a winner or runner up from africa. So to say that scrabble in france is dominated by africans seems alittle dishonest, particular when you consider that classic tournaments are relative new (the first tournament was held in 2006) while duplicate elite tournament have been held since 1972.

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_World_Scrabble_Championships”

As for the checkers championships:

Well , if you go through the list from wiki :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draughts_World_Championship

The it seems to me to be more a case of popularity rather than raw intellect. The event is completely dominated by russians and the dutch.

There have been only 1 canadian, german, latvian, cameroon, french and one senegal player ever to make it to top 3 since 1948. Every champion apart from these have been russian or dutch.

Every year since 1948 the top 3 placements have been been either 2/3 russian or dutch or 3/3 dutch or russian.

“we compared the performance of a group of competitive Scrabble players with a group of age-matched nonexpert control participants. The results of a series of cognitive assessments showed that the Scrabble players and control participants differed only in Scrabble-specific skills (e.g., anagramming). Scrabble expertise was associated with two specific effects (as compared to controls): vertical fluency (relatively less difficulty judging lexicality for words presented in the vertical orientation) and semantic deemphasis (smaller concreteness effects for word responses). These results suggest that visual word recognition is shaped by experience”

http://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2Fs13421-011-0137-5

And that study seems to me confirming that scrabble players make use of learned skills:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0010945215001069

I’m an academic (an historian and anthropologist) and lack a lot of the familiarity with the stats discussed here. Nevertheless I believe I can add to the discussion.
1. The article, while fascinating, doesn’t account for the possibility that the brightest Africans may be playing scrabble, while the brightest Europeans may not be. I’d like to think I’m a fairly intelligent person (for example I have a Phd but that is as much about tenacity as anything else) and I have always been contemptuous of scrabble as a “grandma’s game.” The kind of game you played with Memaw after a ham and buttered cornbread dinner, but before the onset of that night’s Heehaw episode. It’s hard for me to look at scrabble as a respectable pursuit. That’s admittedly my bias, however.

2. We often hear criticism of IQ tests as relating to a particular cultural context, yet the substance of the tests are never discussed, which for a novice such as myself is a little mystifying. I know that I scored a 147 on a test from long ago, but that’s been so long I only remember a few questions, and those seemed fairly universal.

3. IQ denialism contradicts my personal experiences. I taught high school for a number of years when I was younger. Because I was a radical leftist as a youth, i insisted on teaching in a “failing” (read; 85% + black) school. Eventually my staunch leftist mentality was crushed by the stark reality of black underachievement. The same thing was experienced during my travels in Africa. I had a girlfriend who had been in the peace corps; they were teaching the natives to plant their crops in rows, which can hardly be seen as a development unique to
Industrialized societies. My personal
experiences are not science, however, though I can’t really go against them either.

3. My ultimate problem with the critique of IQ tests is that the critics seem to ignore the massive and near universal nature of the issue. If we perform an analysis of multiple countries, we find that IQ correlates with economic, military, scientific, and social success, on a very large scale. The inability of males descended from Africans who speak Bantu languages to build or maintain anything approaching civilization is virtually constant wherever a population of Bantu Africans exist. Black Bantu Africans are always the poorest in every mixed society they inhabit, but they are, in general, wealthier in these mixed societies than they are in societies that are purely Bantu. To me, this “on the ground” pattern is very significant.

I also don’t concur with the relativistic dismissals of “g” due to differences in culture, as I don’t believe all cultures are “equal.” It’s fairly obvious to me, that what we mean by “intelligence” is much more prevalent in NASA scientists than in most fishermen in the Congo River, whose techniques are generally remarkably primitive still. To argue otherwise is ridiculous sophistry from my point of view.

Furthermore, IQ isn’t so relevant simply in the abstract. It’s a hot button issue in Western countries because those elites who insist on race replacement via mass immigration also insist that blacks and whites are equal according to Western standards. The standard is therefore clear. Analytical and critical thinking skills trump other cognitive skills. A Kung Bushman’s ability to register five times the smells of an average Swede has little bearing on the debate on IQ in the current discourse.

My thoughts, anyway.

所以…

Instead of having “g” explaining good portion of variation in crime level, education achievement and so on, you will have several different constructs each of which will explain smaller part of variation in limited number of outcomes.

I do not think you understand what Ockham razor postulates.

A Gaussian curve aka a “Normal” distribution is fully specified by two parameters, the mean and the standard deviation.

As far as I know, the evidence is that a Gaussian distribution fits population IQ data better than any other. I’m no expert on this topic.

嘿utu，

It merely states the fact that observations indicate that various tests (IQ test, SAT, memory….) are mutually correlated…Furthermore this intelligence does not exist outside of environment.

两个极好的点！

和平：

In theory, yes, but in practice you have test of reaction times, where RT is divided into “neurological” and “muscular” reaction. THe “neurological” is correlated with IQ, “muscular” is not. In the same test blacks have faster “mscular” reaction and lower “neurological” reaction, meaning they are both more interested and less interested in the test…

The article, while fascinating, doesn’t account for the possibility that the brightest Africans may be playing scrabble, while the brightest Europeans may not be.

As I showed above, IF being Top player requires high intelligence AND Gabon national IQ is 64, THEN it is impossible for there being enough talented people in Gabon to get 3 top players (impossible if IQ required is 140, if IQ 130 – then you would have something like 5 people like that in Gabon, if IQ 115 – something like 500). To solve the puzzle, you have to either show that top players in Scrabble does not require that higher intelligence (still, higher than above, but not +3SD as postulated by Chanda Chisala) or Gabon’s national IQ is significantly higher, or it has a large minority with REALLY HIGH average IQ. The last point, of course, would also mean most likely that national IQ of Gabon cannot be 64, unless all people with IQ high enough to play scrabble actually play it instead of following other careers.

How can concept be useless if it is a useful predictor of life outcomes, unmatched by any other predictor? How can introduing one unifying concept instead of many concepts is against Ockham razor?

By your criterion, all concepts in psychology and sociology are useless and therefore shouldn’t be used and all what is left is an enigma.

“Scrabble relies on rote retention skills”

So to a great extent do the study of medicine and law. And even if you’ve memorised the dictionary, you still have to shuffle the letters (on table or in head) to see what words they make., and I presume there’s a time limit.

有趣的一块。

I just love the picture heading up the article. Black cognitive superman destroying his mere white opponents, one after another, just like in every Hollywood movie these days. They are certainly the master race. Now that we’re all convinced lets have the African tide of Nobel Prize worthy achievements come our way. We’re waiting, where is it?

The point of my articles has never been to make the case that “my people” are “superior” to other people, but to argue against the “evidence” of those who think that they have found a significant genetic cognitive disadvantage for Africans.

The significant cognitive disadvantage for sub-Saharan African stock is a fact, and not in dispute. Its causes may be genetic and/or environmental, but that is a different question.

Personally, I don’t care if it’s their genes, or if God smites them, or phantom tricknology rays from YT steal all their brilliant thoughts. It’s real, it’s persistent, and it explains more about their situation than any other factor.

And while you are at it, you could also explain for me why children in the US and the UK — who have a relatively stronger interest in the game, according to you, than adults, are not the Scrabble champions of those countries as a result of their stronger interest. Why the champions are always adults despite an active school Scrabble program where children express this higher interest in the game. If it is because the superior intelligence of the few adults is sufficient to overcome their relative total interest deficit, please explain to me why that same reasoning does not give those same adults a similar advantage over the cognitively deficient Africans (who have the average intelligence of the same children).

I look forward to your guidance on those two issues.

Because adults have had more time to read and broaden their vocabularies?

How does that all add up to an argument regarding the racial hypothesis?

It doesn’t. It’s just an argument that people in Gabon are smarter than some people think. It’s not an argument that their intelligence isn’t genetic.

How much IQ self-testing did you do? Don’t you think it is also a crap not worth wasting time on? A smart person does not need IQ test to know he/she is smart.

Lots of people seem offended by the very idea of IQ tests. Many seem to have hangups about their own IQ, and so would like to dismiss the entire notion. Others have hangups owed to their religion (idiotic delusion of human equality). Still others have a curiously selective insistence on the Christian virtue of humility (for white guys, and not for, say, black pro athletes), also often owed to the aforementioned religion. Obviously, there’s nothing wrong with getting a more granular look at one’s own mental horsepower, say, via an IQ test. A bit more precise than “me smart, me know me smart,” I suppose.

As a further point, taking an IQ test is not a pastime or hobby. It takes about half an hour or so, eating far less time than a Scrabble hobby.

There is no such thing as “true nationalism”, just nationalism, as defined by a group of people. Praytell, how to plan to coerce men and women to put back into place this 18th century notion?

Moron, “true nationalism” is used to contrast with phony nationalism. For every thing imaginable, there is a “true” version. You complete nincompoop.

佩丹蒂奇 和 笨。

You make some valid points, but the problem is that there is no other valid measure: no measure of creativeness or rationality.

How is that a problem? All job functions in human society that require some degree of a cloudy “creativity” are both self-starting and self-motivating. No measurement required. For governmental positions requiring (maybe) those abilities, they are either elective positions, or appointed positions.

The measurement of “intelligence” by government-approved “intelligence tests” is a measurement of what the twisted and corrupt government wants (in the guise of “education goals”). This nation needs no IQ tests. Functionally, they are nothing more than red herrings, and accomplish no good at all.

So to a great extent do the study of medicine and law. And even if you’ve memorised the dictionary, you still have to shuffle the letters (on table or in head) to see what words they make., and I presume there’s a time limit.

Time limit? How many worthwhile enterprises are holding a stopwatch to intelligent solutions? Are you suggesting that good solutions to difficult problems should be produced quickly, if not instantaneously?

” Analytical and critical thinking ”

explain to me then why, seems, most people with higher scores on cognitive tests are so good to think interestingly, however wrong way * and worse, morally wrong *

It’s as simple reject such mass immigration idea, and without thereby leaving the impression that is racist or ignorant, and yet most people of higher IQ, it seems, just thinking very similar in relation to other cognitive levels: binary and wrong thinking… and even worse, they are not reflective enough to re-think if they are doing the right judgments.

All your reports, I can also comment because I see the same macro-patterns, correlate with higher IQ, but in fact, the key difference here is the level of rationality, and in this sense, the Europeans are historically irrational: poverty , environmental destruction, numerous wars, religion …

Every time when a HBD-aficionado talk about racial differences in BEHAVIOR, and using IQ as a parameter, is underlied the key point here is the level of rational capacity … regardless of their level of IQ.

In almost all societies there is a constant struggle between reason and force. In most primary societies, the force dominating the reason almost completely, even because they often the same thing. Who protects the community (strength), it is the boss, and it is those who have ” reason ” to his side.

In more extroverted societies, the most popular are usually raised to command them, and not necessarily the most competent or the strongest. We may have many rational Africans: shy, living on the margins of society, while we have those who have all the requirements to be socially successful in their society, in the position that practicaly offer them, popularity or power.

And this reality is often not only possibly epidemic in Africa, but in virtually all human societies: to rule the nations, subjective ​​or indirect values are required, and not directly the competence or wisdom.

As far as I know, the evidence is that a Gaussian distribution fits population IQ data better than any other. I’m no expert on this topic.

The evidence is that a Gaussian distribution fits population IQ data, as IQ is measured by “standardized” tests.

Kurt Godel, where are we when we need you?

Instead of having “g” explaining good portion of variation in crime level, education achievement and so on, you will have several different constructs each of which will explain smaller part of variation in limited number of outcomes.

I do not think you understand what Ockham razor postulates.

I think you don’t understand how much more effective crime statistics are as a tool of prediction than IQ tests will ever be.

Also, just for the record and to assure you that semi-sexual gut feeling of superiority … Gawrsh, Sergeant, Ah dint know nufin’ ’bout no Okkum guy. You shore are smart!

As said to us many times by Italians as we toured Italy, “Go south of Rome and they are Africans, not Italians ….” Were they talking about their history, their culture, their genetic heritage, or simply their behaviors? I don’t know.

这是迟钝的。

Combined data from two large mtDNA studies provides an estimate of non-Caucasoid maternal ancestry in Italians. The first study sampled 411 Italians from all over the country and found five South Asian M and East Asian D sequences (1.2%) and eight sub-Saharan African L sequences (1.9%). The second study sampled 465 Sicilians and detected ten M sequences (2.2%) and three L sequences (0.65%). This makes a total of 3% non-white maternal admixture (1.3% Asian and 1.7% African), which is very low and typical for European populations, since Pliss et al. 2005, e.g., observed 1.8% Asian admixture in Poles and 1.2% African admixture in Germans. (Plaza et al. 2003; Romano et al. 2003)

Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians’ even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study’s sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study’s sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004). (Semino et al. 2004; Cruciani et al. 2004)

An analysis of 10 autosomal allele frequencies in Southern Europeans (including Italians, Sicilians and Sardinians) and various Middle Eastern/North African populations revealed a “line of sharp genetic change [that] runs from Gibraltar to Lebanon,” which has divided the Mediterranean into distinct northern and southern clusters since at least the Neolithic period. The authors conclude that “gene flow [across the sea] was more the exception than the rule,” attributing this result to “a joint product of initial geographic isolation and successive cultural divergence, leading to the origin of cultural barriers to population admixture.” (Simoni et al. 1999)

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/10/refuting-afrocentrism-part-2-are-italians-black/

Just wishful thinking by blacks. History? What about it? Culture? What about it? Genetic history? See above. This garbage about Southern Italians being so different than the north needs to go. It’s not based in reality.

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/31/northsouth-differences-in-italian-iq-is-richard-lynn-right/

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It’s enough for you*

”creativeness”, i prefer ”perceptiveness’, 😉

creativity is a derivative word of the verb ” to create” and of the substantive ”creation”.

none born creative=creator.

perceptiveness is the level of perception or accuracy people or living beings have, pre-condition to be creative, smart or wise.

The ”meritocratic” system is imperfect because humans are not analysed individually and correctly, their strenghts and weakeness. There is a massified public exames that selects for

– narrow technical skills

– conformity

and also character, one of the most important psychological traits that HBD despise, don’t care enough or even don’t understand, is not required…

(some people ask why human societies are so imperfect…why*)

All higher IQ people are rational**

no, i doubt if more than a half of them are.

tell me your concept of rationality, the differences between rationality and intelligence and exemplifications of the rational behavior.

As a further point, taking an IQ test is not a pastime or hobby. It takes about half an hour or so, eating far less time than a Scrabble hobby.

Doncha just hate it, when you sit down with that certified IQ-test administrator that you already went and paid $200 for, and you draw seven ‘E’s right off the bat?

Half an hour? I ‘ve sat through a few WAIS sets. If you can administer that test in 30 minutes, the US government wants YOU for a position in the Department of Education.

Again, I’m sure Chanda is a fine fellow, but I have great difficulty visualizing the scene where for-real IQ tests were administered to Gabonese Scrabble players. It boggles the imagination. Invariably, what someone buys as an “IQ test” to administer to large groups as part of a “research” project turns out to be an achievement test from the 1965 NEDT pile.

The military intelligence/achievement test on which the Richwine dissertation was based was NOT an IQ test. If it’s not a full WAIS, it is 不能 an IQ test. If it is the Binet test, it is 不能 an IQ test.

How is that a problem? All job functions in human society that require some degree of a cloudy “creativity” are both self-starting and self-motivating. No measurement required. For governmental positions requiring (maybe) those abilities, they are either elective positions, or appointed positions.

Some degree…

by some degree almost of humans are creative, period.

There are specializations in divergent thiking, in rational thinking… and or individuals who are in upper hand in this specificities.

”Self-starting”**

most people work in that public jobs that don’t required great intrinsic motivation to work with it.

$elf-motivating.

Creativity can create or destroy the world, have the control of people with this potential is at least reasonable…

no measure of creativeness or rationality

Indeed seems relatively more complicated predict creative potential, why I am using the term perceptiveness, 😉

理性：

– reflective and introspective (inner-reflective) skills (interpersonal intelligence),

– moral thinking levels,

– potential to follow right thinking-lines…

ideological or political spectrum is a very good source to ”measure” rationality levels

from the extreme right wing to the extreme left wing, we have good, avg and bad ideas/statements…

例如，

mass immigration or globalistic idealism

in the way it’s being done, it’s wrong.

因此，

extreme left wing ideas of mass immigration are mostly wrong while the right wing ideas of territorial integrity will be mostly right.

other example,

环境问题

extreme economic right wing don’t care about it = obviously wrong or irrational.

left wing (superficially speaking) care about it = obviously right or rational.

开始…

rationality is absolutely correlated with cultural scenario (well, everything, including intelligence, 😉 ), so is impossible create a ”acultural” ”test” to measure it.

What’s Gabon’s standard deviation of IQ?

You can’t say it’s impossible based on the mean value alone.

Also, if the IQ hereditarians are right, Africans have different brains from Europeans. Then for a European to be champion at scrabble he might need an IQ of 140, but an African might not, because his brain is different.

Let me put that in this way: Blacks in USA are consistently found to be less educated, having less income and being more criminal. The (white) people with lower IQ are consistenly found to be less educated, having less income and being more criminal.

Blacks having less IQ is sufficient for explanation why their life outcomes are poor.

Without some measurement of intelligence, i.e. by stating that IQ or “g” are fake, you suddenly need another explanation: hence invoking fake concepts like “stereotype threat”, and instead of one simple explanation fitting most if not all of the evidence, you need several explanations.

Ockham razor dictates that one should rather decide that one explanation is better, hence one should decide that “g” exists and is a valid concept, and not decide that “g” does not exist and instead create several other concepts.

If you udnerstand Ockham razor, why you think several convolute explanations are better than one explanation fitting most if not all of the evidence?

The military intelligence/achievement test on which the Richwine dissertation was based was NOT an IQ test.

All mental tests measure “g” and military tests are pretty much very good approximations of IQ tests, even if they are not called that way.

If you do not know that (as this is pretty much established fact), why do i even bother to discuss with you?

Your point being what, exactly? I don’t disagree … I assume that was just the basic “contributing general impressions” comment?

The difference in average IQ between East Asians or ethnic Europeans and people of sub-Saharan African descent is primarily on ‘g’. The Flynn Effect is not on ‘g’.

So Africans are immune to the Flynn effect. Oh, thank God. Until now I thought they might really be, um, you know, like, actual humans.

By the way, you got any actual evidence for your remarkable claim? Probably not. Wikipedia says:

“the correlations between g factor scores and full-scale IQ scores from David Wechsler’s tests have been found to be greater than 0.95.

Oh well, we’ll have to welcome the Africans to the human race after all.

If you udnerstand Ockham razor, why you think several convolute explanations are better than one explanation fitting most if not all of the evidence?

Quote my reference to “several convolute[d] explanations”. I don’t keep track of everything you say, Szzz. I post many items that are likely to be very much unrelated to your postings. What’s your beef, specifically? Spit it out.

Hard to say, but I’ve seen hereditarians claiming black SD is lower (in US) than white SD.

It’s reasonable to suppose that a group of poor-but-bright people could flourish, if given access to more resources and education. To suppose that this situation persists over centuries is not.

Why is it unreasonable to suppose that Africans could not until now remain immune to the Flynn effect, when the Brits were largely immune to it until only 65 years when their average IQ was 80, and Americans scored only 75 in 1915?

If you do not know that (as this is pretty much established fact), why do i even bother to discuss with you?

Probably because my replies point out inconsistencies in your arguments, and that irritates you on the ego level?

All mental tests measure “g” and military tests are pretty much very good approximations of IQ tests, even if they are not called that way.

Oh, hell no. Without exception, standard military “intelligence” tests are achievement tests. Mental tests MAY measure ‘g’. They certainly 要求 to. Guess that makes it a sure thing, huh?

The first claim (differences are on g) is well established, it was called “hypothesis” untill few years ago but evidence seems to amass to the point it should be called fact. Differences are larger in tests with higher g-loading.

The second claim (Flynn effect is not on g) is not established and in fact I would hesitate to back it, as I saw studies claiming that Flynn effect was actually larger on more g-loaded tests.

大家好：

List of some useful resources.

http://arthurjensen.net/?page_id=9

Your comment leave me the idea that 创造力 and rationality Don’t need to be measured when you argue “in every human activity there is some required creativity… Don’t need to be Measured’”. Maybe I interpret it wrong.

By the way, you got any actual evidence for your remarkable claim?

If I recall correctly, it’s either Rushton 2000, Rushton 1999 or Rushton and Jensen 2010. I’ll get back to you when I have access to a computer.

Well, you really trundled yourself out a picnic basket of stupid with that one.

Let me put that in this way: Blacks in USA are consistently found to be less educated, having less income and being more criminal.

A statistical fact. Bravo.

Blacks having less IQ is sufficient for explanation why their life outcomes are poor.

Hahahahaha. Wait … hahahahahahaha. Bullshit.

Without some measurement of intelligence, i.e. by stating that IQ or “g” are fake, you suddenly need another explanation

Another explanation? What’s wrong with the explanations that describe facts like crimes and poor performance? What additional explanation is required? Crime statistics are sufficient. Measured levels of achievement are sufficient. The facts of Negro inferiority are clearly evident; there is no need to shuffle up of a bunch of excuses using poorly designed and misleading ‘tests’ as evidence. The evidence is clear and undeniable. Screw Ockham! Sufficient explanation, we’ve got!!

Ah, sorry, you just agreed to the following statement:

By positing existence of g we do not explain anything. We just multiply entities against the dictum of Ockham.

To which you said “precisely”

Of course, this is wrong, as existence of “g” differences between blacks and whites explains also differences in outcomes between whites and blacks.

but to suddenly throw out years of data and the simple reality of the world around you because of one anomalous fact is madness.

No one is throwing out any data, so far as I am aware.

Those Africans, rather few of them I suspect, who’ve taken IQ tests mostly have low IQ’s, averaging in the 70 – 80 range, like Americans and Brits only 50 to 100 years ago. But like the Americans and Brits of a couple of generations ago, there is likely nothing wrong with their brains, they just haven’t been trained on the vast range of electrical, electronic, and mechanical devices to which most people in the West are exposed today. But in their own sphere of mental activity, our ancestors were almost certainly intellectually superior to the current generation in certain respects. Take a look at some of the old high school exam papers or Harvard University entrance exam papers, and you will see that the older generation was very capable people. Surely true of Africans today if one were to observe them in their own environment.

I thought if he is saying “Flynn effect is not genotypical changes” instead “it’s not g”. Well, g is more genotypical is not?? I mean pattern recognition is more genotypical, intrinsic than for example acquired language or numeracy. Bizarrely the great IQ increase in Flynn effect seems has been in raven tests. Increase in height = increase in brain size?? Well, but east Asians, who are on avg shorter than Europeans and Americans, are better in raven tests isn’t?? Maybe some technical noise in IQ tests after all the accumulation of human knowledge has increased and popularized and many IQ tests are classically “cultural”/scholastic.

Probably because my replies point out inconsistencies in your arguments, and that irritates you on the ego level?

That would be good argument if you had point out one inconsistency in my argument.

As for military aptitude tests… You can see the test’s description here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Services_Vocational_Aptitude_Battery

With the following quoted claim:
“, it is important to note that AFQT has been shown to correlate more highly with classic IQ tests than they do with one another, and that the “crystallized” intelligence measured by AFQT is measured very similarly by Wechsler, in particular”

Here is is a quote from Jensen:

” A military study of over 24,000 subjects training for 37 diverse jobs examined the predictive validity of the ten component tests of the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery and found a correlation of .75 between the test’s g loading (roughly how important g was in determining job performance) and the test’s validity in predicting training success. A replication showed a correlation of .96 on a sample of 78,000 subjects in 150 military job training courses, leaving little doubt about the predictive validity of these tests arising primarily from their ability to measure g. The tests in this battery measure other things than g. By breaking the test’s scores down into g and non-g factors, it was found that virtually all of the ability of the battery to predict success at training was due to g. “When an overall average prediction equation for all eighty-nine jobs was compared against using a unique optimal prediction equation for each job, the total loss in predictive accuracy was less than one-half of 1 percent.”

You may also note that while it is postulated that “g” measures intelligence (I share that conviction) and reflects a “hidden variable” equivalent to overall quality of neurological system, the most common formal definition, one found in wikipedia and similarly defined in Bartholomew’s book, is simply:

“a variable that summarizes positive correlations among different cognitive tasks, reflecting the fact that an individual’s performance on one type of cognitive task tends to be comparable to that person’s performance on other kinds of cognitive tasks”

Using those definition, tests do not “claim” to measure “g”, as “g” is defined as feature of those tests.

Criminal levels between white and black American working classes seems discrepant. The problem is not “black” race but the psychological breed that over-represent them= low functioning sociopaths, specially black men. Black women have avg crime rates at the rate of white men.

Thanks for checking the references, Fanhar. Seeing issues like that go unacknowledged totally destroys my faith in the argument Chanda presents (and causes me to question whether that argument is made in good faith).

Chanda, you have complained above about uncivil responses (while still responding to them). Please respond to Fanhar’s civil critique. I am also curious why you haven’t corrected your use of the wrong table to map SAT scores to IQs and the resultant incorrect value of 143 for estimated IQ. I noted this yesterday and received no response. Please either correct your errors or respond as to why I am mistaken.

Ah, so this is “pointing the inconsistencies”: sayign BS when you have no idea about what you are talking about. Facts always require explanation. If poor outcomes of blacks are result of lower average “g”, then you can try to address this core problem; and because all studies point to the fact that some portion of variability is environmental, it means you can raise “g” by some 10 to 20%. If it is all hereditary, then you can find out which genes and why are responsible and fix them.

I have to add that I am utterly disgusted by your claim that “Negro (!) inferiority is evident”. I do not discuss with racists. I will check how wel CTI feature (commenters to ignore)works by adding you to ignore list.

Criminal levels between white and black American working classes seems discrepant.

My source here is “g factor” by Arthur Jensen, where he claims that differences disappear (or largely dissappear, I don’t remember right now) while you account for “g” differences. White American working class seems to be have higher “g” than black working class.

Everyone, I see no other way to show Chanda Chisala is wrong than to show that one can become Scrabble Top Player without particularly high intelligence. I will concentrate on Gabon here.

Even assuming Gabon IQ is in fact 85, and SD is 15 as in whites, then IF Ch.Ch. is right and Top Player has to have +3SD, THEN there would be something like 53 people in Gabon eligible to being Top Players. (If Top players are +2SD, it still means +3SD for Gabon, i.e. assuming even 85IQ, 1 in 750, ie only 2266 potential players – or am i wrong in my calculations?)
It’s really hard to imagine that out of 53 people in Gabon, 3 would decide to become Scrabble Top Players (a task which require investment of a lot of time), instead of pursuing other careers.

除非：
(1) IQ distribution is known to have fat tails, meaning there could be more high IQ people than resulting from calculations
(2) Scrabble requires not high “g”, but some specific visual-spatial skills
(3) Scrabble requires minimal “g”, but even 90IQ can become a master with chances to beat 140IQ
(4) French Scrabble top players are lower on “g” than English (i.e. results given by Ch.Ch for English Scrabble do not apply to French Scrabble)
(5) Scrabble is insanely more popular in Gabon than in France, and in France it does not attract particularly intelligent people.

I would think that combination of 2 to 5 can be in play, since “scrabble players” is a self-selected group (i.e. there is a chance that high-IQ French decide to play chess, go to banks etc while only average intelligent are going to play Scrabble – but then, why high-IQ Gabon natives should decide not to go for banking career?). But I think this require an explanation and I have not seen one coming.

And black women are more criminal than white women.

Black college applicants might be more motivated than other blacks, but that doesn’t mean they are more motivated than white or Asian college applicants. Within group variation is not the same as between group variation.

I believe IQ measures the motivation to do the things we call ‘civilization’, at least in significant part, so people not motivated to do well on these tests also aren’t going to be motivated to perform great engineering works.

What you call indolence would definitely be correlated to lower IQ scores, as well as lower civilization levels – that is, in fact, exactly my point. But it doesn’t necessarily correlate to intelligence – it corelates to values and priorities.

Indeed, anxiety and dissatisfaction are key factors in the make up of driven people – which should make us question the value of being driven. If being driven doesn’t correlate well to happinness, then being too driven is clearly a disease that should be treated, not emulated.

But why would you want to train a billion people to be driven like us? We are unhappy and nihilistic, shouldn’t we learn from them?

Our disease is that we are miserable and nihilistic but seek to impose our paradigm on everyone else – we can’t diagnose the sources of our own misery because it’s tied to the sources our success and power, and we can’t stand that much honesty, so we blindly forge ahead trying to make everyone like us. Let it go.

I haven’t seen that documentary, but my point is exactly that these things go much deeper than just tests, and involve an entire life approach and attitude, priorities and values, affections and desires, and apply to all of life.

In the final analysis what matters is happiness – and we don’t got it, so maybe we should question our values.

Hm, re-reading your post I see that maybe there is (6) explanation: Gabon players have no chances in “elite” tournaments, so they concentrate in those other… and while top players in “elite” tournaments have to be +3SD, there is no proof the same is required in those tournaments Gabon players win…

Your comment leave me the idea that creativity and rationality Don’t need to be measured when you argue “in every human activity there is some required creativity… Don’t need to be Measured’”. Maybe I interpret it wrong.

Interpreted it wrong? I said:

All job functions in human society that require some degree of a cloudy “creativity” are both self-starting and self-motivating. No measurement required.

What is the connection between what I actually wrote and what you “interpreted”?

Yes I know. And east Asian/yellow women are less criminal than white women.

Of course, this is wrong, as existence of “g” differences between blacks and whites explains also differences in outcomes between whites and blacks.

I am not a ‘g’ believer, but that doesn’t mean that ‘g’ as calculated — bs or not — will not track, as calculated, between white performance and black performance.

For me, this all hinges on the tests that are used as “IQ tests” in these purported studies of racial difference in intelligence are NOT real IQ tests. Sure, excuses, excuses, excuses, but they’re just NOT legitimate IQ tests in the modern world of improved research methods in psychometrics.

Understand, I’m not saying there is not a difference in the intelligence configurations of whites and blacks — I’m saying you can’t use bogus tests to prove it. There are clear and undeniable facts on record that prove it, statistically. There is very little need to add to that body of proof. But, if you’re gonna do it, do it right.

I will check how wel CTI feature (commenters to ignore)works by adding you to ignore list.

Not well. Ignored commenters still show up in the list. They should disappear, as well as not generating the email reply for posters using a valid email.

However, I agree that putting you on the Ignore list has more advantages than disadvantages.

Americans scoring 75 on avg is a calculation noise.

Score very lower in IQ tests can be:

Errors in calculation

Correct and you have partial mental “retardation”

Correct and you no have any retardation degree because you’re just like older humans, with lower “IQ” and with “normal” behavior.

Genetic differences between human populations showed that all of us derived from Africans,

What is the relevance of this marginal subject??

“Measurements” (filtering) of “creativity” and rationality is extremely important to put the right people in the right place, better, put everyone in their right place in the market job world.

If people are supposedly self-motivated to the certain “creative jobs” this natural attraction make measurement look dispensable. What I understand by now.

Do you think meritocratic system is perfect?

Genetic differences between human populations showed that all of us derived from Africans

Evolved beyond, my good man, as dolphins have evolved beyond trilobites. As trilobites evolved beyond stromatolites.

The rest of this comment was eated…

Samoans and australians are

the most genetically distant from africans (genetically distant is not exactly the same than genetically differentiated, and specially via psycho-cognitive traits)

the lower scores in IQ tests… and most of them seems behave at ”normal” levels.

Few people are angry because aboriginals scored lower than 60 in IQ tests… why*

“Measurements” (filtering) of “creativity” and rationality is extremely important to put the right people in the right place, better, put everyone in their right place in the market job world.

No, they’re not. And I have no interest in putting anyone into his or her “right place”. Better that everyone find his right place.

If people are supposedly self-motivated to the certain “creative jobs” this natural attraction make measurement look dispensable. What I understand by now.

I assume you meant “那个 I understand by now.”

Do you think meritocratic system is perfect?

Perfect? No. Most functional, yes. In a huge and institutionalized society like ours, checks and balances must be asserted. That includes supervision and monitoring of the fairness and effectiveness of any defacto “meritocracy”.

I no have any refutation because you’re right and because i thought your semantic recommendation over, 😉

but ok, you understand.

Yes I know. And east Asian/yellow women are less criminal than white women.

Any comments on the magnitude of the differences in each case? Surely that is relevant.

I love the way people seamlessly transition from “there are no differences” to “but whites are worse than [other group].”

No, they’re not. And I have no interest in putting anyone into his or her “right place”. Better that everyone find his right place.

Governments always have this interest and did it bad. I don’t know if you understand but it was a ”force of the expression”, manner/way to say, ”citizen tongue”.

I assume you meant “That I understand by now.”

Correct people all the time is not smart, it’s boring, do you understand* boring.

English is not my mother tongue and yes i like to use it as a permanent excuse, 😉

Perfect? No. Most functional, yes. In a huge and institutionalized society like ours, checks and balances must be asserted. That includes supervision and monitoring of the fairness and effectiveness of any defacto “meritocracy”.

Many people are sub-employed, many very talented people are sub-employed, people with lack of character is not a exception in many important places, unemployment is perfectly clearable, so why it’s not*

today there is the phenomenon of massification of higher education, seems amazing but it’s not.

Imperfectly functional is not enough.

I love the way people seamlessly transition from “there are no differences” to “but whites are worse than [other group].”

I’m not that people.

你好！ Talha，见 mtn cur，5 月 XNUMX 日

I do actually give an example of where I believe “my people” have a genetic disadvantage (swimming),

Blacks do not have a genetic disadvantage for swimming. In the US 70 percent of black children do not know how to swim and most of the 30 percent that do swim are weak swimmers. In order for there to be competitive black swimmers, they need to learn how to swim around age four or five and regularly visit a pool to practice and strengthen their skills. Most American black parents, regardless of income, are unwillingly to invest that much time and effort into their children.

In the US, with the exception of gymnastics, the sports that blacks excel in are the ones that don’t require parental involvement of time and money. If you look at a list of blacks in the National Hockey League, nearly all of them have a immigrant or non-black mother. 友情链接 Native black families, and native black mother in particular, are not willingly to put in the effort needed to make their child an elite hockey player.

In Africa the problem is lack of access to a pool and/or the ability to pay fees, not genetics. You use South Africa as an example of blacks’ genetic inferiority in swimming, but the link you provided says that no South African woman made the 2016 Olympic swim team which would mean women are genetically disadvantaged at swimming if the same logic is used. Until this year South Africa had nearly all white rugby teams and it wasn’t because blacks are genetically disadvantaged at rugby. The sports minister had to introduce racial quotas （LINK） and South Africa’s Olympics men’s rugby team, with an equal number of blacks and whites, won a bronze medal in Rio.

In Rio, Naomi Ruele became Botswana’s first Olympic swimmer. She also swims for Florida International University.友情链接 The overweight swimmer Robel Kiros Habte competed for Ethiopia and was the country’s flag bearer in the opening ceremony. Ruele attended a swanky private school in Botswana and Habte is the son of the president of the Ethiopian Swimming Federation. The families that they were born into were instrumental in determining whether or not they would become elite swimmers not their race.

嘿mtn cur，

希望一切都好！ 我相信你的意思是：
https://www.unz.com/freed/the-maya-who-woulda-thunk-it/#comment-1518976

Yeah – I don’t see a problem with branches of human beings being more or less strong, tall, intelligent than other branches. That’s all fine with me all of these seem related to the material composition of man. I agree with you, bragging about one or the other seems silly* – did you choose to be born in Boston and not in Juba or Kandahar?

智力等于智慧吗？ 在我观察人类 40 年后，没有什么能让我相信这一点。

和平：

*注：似乎真的很愚蠢，因为从我对历史的阅读来看，上帝似乎有将傲慢的人置于他们的位置的记录。

Chanda, until you’re willing to climb into an airliner or rocket designed and built by African engineers, maybe you should rein in your broad assertions about African intelligence. Checkers is not science, rocket or otherwise.

re: “I’m saying that the African (achievement test etc) numbers are *无用*, for real cognitive comparison to others.
They are essentially tests of degree of under-exposure.”

What does “real cognitive comparison” mean?

Either you think that Africans in Africa have substantially lower mean e.g., verbal ability or not (due to whatever factors).

(1) The evidence against the contra position includes:

–IQ scores
–Achievement test scores (e.g., SACMED, PASEC (in French).
–International graduate test scores (e.g., the GMAT)

Actual measures of cognitive ability (CA)!

Of course, this could be explained by educational under-exposure. After all, African countries have commensurate general socio-economic, social progress, and Human Development index scores. But the mean ability scores would be low, nonetheless.

Now, you can argue either that: (1) these measures of CA as less good measures of latent CA than e.g., scabble performance or that (2) these measures are good measures but the distribution of CA is non-normal, thus allowing large pockets of high ability Africans, etc. If it’s non-normal, there must be an explanation, for example regional heterogeneity in scores, which makes difficult estimations of the smart fraction.

Now the problem with you evidence in relation to 1 & 2 is that scrabble scores, at least based on the sources used, don’t well predict national IQs for non-African countries. Yet, if scrabble performance indexed national/smart fraction ability, one would expect a substantial national IQ x performance correlation. (The same point, of course, would stand for other proxy measures of cognitive ability e.g., research papers per capita, math Olympiad performance, chess Olympiad performance). This lack of correlation means one of — or a mixture of — three things:

(1) The specific metrics are not particularly good measures of cognitive ability on the individual level; for example, the meta-analystic correlation between chess performance and cognitive ability is a modest r = .25).
(2) There are national/ regional specific factors (for example, the National IQ x math Olympiad correlations is only 0.4, a low correlation which is understandable because of differences in math Olympiad training, recruiting, funding.)
(3) The samples are not representative (which is probably the case here). If so, one is not comparing the mean/elite of Africans with the mean/elite of whomever.

Another way to think about this is that if you factor analyzed cognitive indexes, national scramble playing ability would probably have a low national G-loading, and thus would not have a high validity when it comes to assessing the cognitive ability of nations.

In this case, you might as well use Parcheesi performance as an index.

On average they have narrower chest cavities and less fat free body mass.

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/05/30/white-men-cant-jump-thats-ok-black-men-cant-swim/

Are you saying that no racial differences in ability to do well in sports don’t exist? I beg to differ.

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/08/17/muscle-fiber-typing-hbd-and-sports/

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/02/07/hbd-and-sports-football/

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/20/hbd-and-sports-baseball/

https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/10/19/blacks-are-not-stronger-than-whites/

re: “Even assuming Gabon IQ is in fact 85, and SD is 15 as in whites, then IF Ch.Ch. is right and Top Player has to have +3SD…I would think that combination of 2 to 5 can be in play, since “scrabble players” is a self-selected group (i.e. there is a chance that high-IQ French decide to play chess, go to banks etc while only average intelligent are going to play Scrabble – but then, why high-IQ Gabon natives should decide not to go for banking career?).”

Excluding African countries, what’s the correlation between national scrabble scores and national IQ/ACH. If it’s low, since we have a pretty good idea that national IQ/ACH, in fact, measures the average abilities of nations outside of Africa, a combination of 2-5 is likely. To put another way, if you have 12 supposed indexes of national cognitive ability and 2 don’t correlate with the others on the national level, it’s more reasonable to discard/ question mark these than the other 10.

There are outlier statistics about

Iranian”s” doing well in international exames,

Peruvian”s” doing well in international exames, specially in mathematics, i thought Sailer already posted this achievements…

Well, we can argue that Peru and Iran have higher collective IQ’s because this contextual-exceptional achievements*

I no have any refutation because you’re right and because i thought your semantic recommendation over, 😉
but ok, you understand.

I had not realized you were having second-language issues. I did not intend to be rude, but at first I thought you were one of the local stupids like Beefsteak, Dukey, or Sheete. My apologies, I will give you extra time on the clock.

Also, the IGNORE list can’t block reply emails. The reason for that is that the list is stored as a cookie on the reader’s local browser, to which the commenter being “ignored” has no access, so there’s no way the system can easily determine he’s been “ignored” and avoid sending out the response email.

Put it in the session data and update the cookie on load. Yes, it will add overall load, but not a lot.

“They do not show logic, reasoning, problem solving or math abilities.”

You don’t really know anything about scrabble do you? What on earth makes you thing you’re in a position to make such an ignorant pronouncement?

I don’t know of any examples of children of high IQ people being adopted by low IQ African families so that comparison doesn’t seem possible. A lot of Americans are now adopting infants from Africa, so in twenty years you could hypothetically do a study comparing how those kids do against the American’s biological children, but in twenty years the U.S. Thought Police will probably give you a quick time-out in Room 101 for even attempting such a study.

There is one current situation I can think of that would theoretically serve as a study, but again I doubt the government would countenance it. In South Africa there are many high income professional Blacks people now in government and business and, conversely, many White Boers who have been shut out of job opportunities and are living in exactly the same dirt-poor, tin sheet hovel, low intellectually and culturally enriched poverty as Blacks in the worst part of the Black townships. It would theoretically be possible to measure the IQ’s and academic success of the children of these four groups and determine if there is a racial correlation.

The closest existing study I can think of is the one that compare SAT scores in the U.S. by race and by income bracket. That study finds that White kids significantly outperform Black kids who grew up with the same wealth, educational opportunities and mentally stimulating environment. If I recall correctly you didn’t see the same scores unless you compared White Appalachian children living in households with income of $20,000 or less per year, to Black children living in households with income of $200,000 or more per year.
This type of study where you have very good controls for factors other than race is the reason that Chanda has decided to concede that there is something actually wrong with American Blacks and they really are genetically dumber. In his case he tries to explain it with the goofy theory that:
– During the days of slavery Black slaves inter-married in significant numbers with the poorest Whites.
– These Whites were poor because of mysterious, unknown, unspecified, genetic defects.
– Against all logic, the descendants of these marriages were somehow even dumber than either their Black ancestors OR even their White ancestors.
– These descendants have the ability to steal the penises of their enemies or call lightning strikes down on them.
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist adding that last one.)

Africans do not have this access to chess materials (which now includes computer programs) for the same reason that they have no access to mathematics text books and other educational materials in schools or public (I would be surprised if even 1 percent of Africans have ever seen the word “library” on a building anywhere; they simply don’t exist).

Baffling, truly baffling. Does this person think that Africa is just a big savanna with a billion goatherds wandering about? They are relatively poor compared with the Western nations, Japan etc Some areas are obviously terribly poor indeed. But to say that libraries “simply don’t exist” in Africa is startlingly ignorant. I just typed “kenya libraries” into a popular search engine and found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_in_Kenya

Please provide a link (or a specific, e.g. dated, reference) to the version of the list you used to generate your quotes/data. There is a significant difference (for Nigeria only) between the numbers you gave and current data (via the link 美味 provided). Given that this article was published yesterday it seems reasonable to expect a consistent reference.

In case it helps, here is an archive page from last year which gives numbers that align better with those you gave: http://web.archive.org/web/20150308182510/http://www.wespa.org/aardvark/cgi-bin/rating.cgi
There is an interesting pattern in that Nigeria has more people in the Top 200 compared to the remainder of the list than is usual for other countries. Any thoughts as to why that is so?

Substantiating your statements and citations in the article is part of your job here. Sorry it is too tiring for you (if you want civil you might have been so yourself in response to Fanhar’s reasonable comment).

There were other points in that comment BTW. Do you have any response to those?

Yes I’m self imported stupid, ^_~

Thanks for the response. I gave the actual SAT numbers from the paper in a comment above. Be sure to notice my comments about the original paper apparently not accounting for the 1995 SAT recentering. Given the mean ages quoted you should really add ~35 points (~1/2 of experts before that date with a differential of ~70) to the aggregate SAT for the experts. As an academic perhaps you could ask the authors if they did do an adjustment.

To be clear, what I propose would increase the IQ numbers for the experts by about 2.5 points. Splitting hairs at that point IMHO. What’s really needed is for the paper authors to do a better job with their metrics in the first place.

That same agnostic dyslexic also sold his soul to Santa.

I’m suggesting that quick, high-scoring answers in Scrabble (i.e. being able to quickly shuffle your letters and find the best word you can fit on the board) are an indicator of high IQ.

You don’t have an infinite amount of time in Scrabble.

“Are you suggesting that good solutions to difficult problems should be produced quickly, if not instantaneously?”

In Scrabble, yes (also in chess. Not so much in chip design or interpreting a CAT scan.)

Few people are angry because aboriginals scored lower than 60 in IQ tests… why*

Most countries don’t do the level of data mining that the US does, so they honestly don’t know how much a certain group is underperforming. France doesn’t even know how many black people live in the country because their constitution outlaws the census from asking a person’s race. It was only after they started participating in the international PISA exam, and forced to collect the data, did Germany realize that higher income students do better on exams than low-income.

Unlike the US, and South Africa, most countries did not enact laws preventing certain groups from obtaining an education, living where they wanted, marrying who they wanted, obtaining certain employment, etc. Most countries did not do 许多 legislating against their minority population so feel no compunction to rectify any wrongs.

Lysdexics untie!

“You don’t really know anything about scrabble do you? What on earth makes you thing(sec) you’re in a position to make such an ignorant pronouncement?”

Right back at you….asshole!

Give an example where scrabble players use logic, reasoning, problem solving or math abilities.

What I do know is that you are a troll on this site.

And there is also evidence that self control beats ‘g’. The Cookie Test with all its later revisions still stands. ‘g’ which sometimes correlates with IQ is not everything. Persistence and concentration matter not just computational power.

Scrabble no have reasoning????

I don’t know if Chanda is right or wrong, but he is busting all commenting records.

He sure knows how to bait ‘whitey’.

大声笑。

Chanda and Fred Reed ought to get together and lead brilliant blacks and genius Peruvians to rule the world.

Been to NASA recently?

We have all evolved beyond the common ancestor. That kind of person no longer exists.

Chanda is from Zambia where the library situation is exactly as he stated. However, he did say “Africa”, so you were within your rights to look up Kenya. If you were to look up your favorite hell hole like Rwanda or Chad you would find something different. In 2012 Rwanda opened its first public library.

http://www.afran.info/modules/publisher/item.php?itemid=442
http://www.socialentrepreneurship-book.com/beneficiaries/kigali-public-library/

Kenya is one of the better functioning African countries, yet only has 60 public libraries for a population of 44 million or one branch per 733,000. Metro Atlanta has a population of 6 million and 34 public libraries or one branch per 176,000.

http://www.afpls.org/locations/locations2

The key is that only phenotypic IQ is so low.

If 基因型智商 is at Afroamericans levels (85?), it means that there is a big subpopulation of well fed Sub-Saharan Africans with their own distribution with the mean at 85.

And that means that aprox. 1 in 1000 is over an IQ of 132 with a 15SD in that subpopulation.

In others words, 1 in 1000 of the total Sub-Saharan African population have a genotypic IQ of more than 132. That is more than a 1 million people. It’s enough that a fraction of them are well fed and have an environment not too bad, for having hundreds of thousands of potencial Scrabble winners.

*Excuses for my bad English. I’m not an English speaker.

1. Chanda is talking about elite/international competitors, not playing with friends on the weekend. He also mentioned that they have high mathematical abilities. You can decide if that applies to you. I will repeat what I wrote about the Spanish Scrabble runner-up.

西班牙世界拼字游戏锦标赛由西班牙、阿根廷和委内瑞拉三个国家主导。 2004年世界亚军是一个名叫赫克托·克利的美国人，显然是委内瑞拉移民。 他拥有莱斯大学计算科学与工程专业的博士学位。

People with high-level abilities often don’t do anything with their skill. The children of elite Kenyan runners don’t run because they didn’t grow up in poverty like their parents and aren’t motivated.

2. IQ tests aren’t discussed because once people know what is on them they may score higher than they otherwise would.

When the US was practically only white and black people we were always told not to study for the SAT because it wouldn’t make any difference. Turns out that is true for whites and blacks, but East Asians are able to earn up five times as many extra points through test prep compared to whites and blacks.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/01/19/study-finds-east-asian-americans-gain-most-sat-courses

Chanda your columns are fascinating but they are too long to support comments. Try breaking them up into separate columns as part of a series. This one could have been:

1. Africans, math, and Scrabble
2. Draughts/checkers
3. Women, Scrabble, draughts/checkers
4. American blacks reproducing with half-wit whites
5. Jews and board games (except for chess)
6. The “African” public library system

I would love for you to do an analysis on the Scrabble prowess of East Asian Americans versus Indian Americans. Indian Americans rule the national spelling bee, they do well at MATHCOUNTS, medal in the US and International Mathematical Olympiads, and a Indian-Canadian-American was the only Asian to win a Fields Medal in 2014, so why don’t Indian Americans dominate Scrabble?

My proposed trans-racial adoption study was intended as a gedankenexperiment, since I certainly will not be around to learn the result of any such investigation. However, it seems likely to me that most interracial differences in IQ are environmentally and culturally determined. Many inner city US blacks exist in a culture of great ignorance (perpetuated by awful schools), violence, drug use, etc. That this environment limits IQ is indicated by the fact that where the descendants of black slaves live in a relatively civilized society, e.g., Afro-Carribeans in Britain, they show quite rapid generational gains in IQ*.

My own view is that the black-white IQ gap in America is the last shred of pseudo-evidence to justify the strange notion of American exceptionalism, i.e., white American exceptionalism. But that idea seems about to die with the collapse of the Bush-Clinton treason alliance and a new direction in American politics that, with the election of Trump, will focus on, among other things, restructuring the society of the inner cities where most American blacks have had the misfortune to live.

Chisala is probably wrong about American blacks suffering from low-grade white genes. Mostly, whites mating with blacks were more likely plantation owners, people like Thomas Jefferson, rather than “white trash.” However the hypothesis could be tested by comparison of IQs of American blacks of pure African descent, still a few of them around, and the rest. I doubt whether any significant difference would be found.

* Black IQ Gains in Britain, Kenya and Dominica

it seems likely to me that most interracial differences in IQ are environmentally and culturally determined

Black-White IQ gap in USA exists even when blacks and whites are paired on SES. Also, this point was addressed by Jensen in his book “g factor”. To depress scores of affluent blacks (i.e. not poor ghetto inhabitants, but middle-class blacks) by 15 points, the culture and environment impact would have to be really, really, really huge – moreover, it would have to be very stange kind of impact, depressing scores of above average blacks, while in the same time increasing scores of below average blacks(regression to the mean!)

The question is whether the same kind of players are really competing in both formats? If you have computer science journals, Africans may dominate “Best Paper Awards” for some journal X, but it does not mean anything if other scientists from Europe and USA never sent anything to this journal…

“Classique (match play): Players play 17 games, two players to a board with the final standings being judged by games won and total points scored minus the total number of points scored by the player’s opponents. The top two players in the standings play a best-of-three final to determine the World Champion. The tournament is very popular with African players as Duplicate Scrabble is less popular in Africa than it is in Europe设立的区域办事处外，我们在美国也开设了办事处，以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

If the best of the best in France go for the more popular form of scrabbles, then top players in Classique may have IQ less than +3SD.

I’d say you have definetely proven Gabon’s IQ couldn’t be possibly 64, but other than that, I am not totally convinced.

In general yes, but sometimes, if 10 indexes indicate that certain outcome is impossible, and yet this outcome happens, then it means those indexes are flawed, yes?

I mean, if Gabon’s IQ is 64, there should not be even ONE player who could be top player, and if IQ is 85, then there would be something like 50 in Gabon eligible for being top players, of which at least five (three in 2015 top ten, two in 2016 top ten) decided to go for preparing for Scrabble tournament – not impossible, but quite unlikely (ten percent of intellectual elite goes for Scrabble tournaments!).

[Chanda Chisala – ignore my last comment, the one with reference to journal X and claming that classique may attract worse players than elite. I withdraw it after re-reading your article and checking wikipedia.]

*板球*

No one attempting much of a response.

“Scrabble no have reasoning????”

Is this Tonto?

Me say no.

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I am a white who finds antracism tiresome, who thinks white supremacy a pretty good state of affairs. However, facts are facts and the article is indeed interesting. The article is perhaps slightly tendentious, but not bad as such things go. It is not impossible that we have something to learn about the heritable abilities of west Africans.

I don’t know about you, but one of my chief complaints about liberals and progressive is that they won’t debate with you; they’ll only sneer at you. This article’s writer does debate. He deserves due credit.

Okay. Me too.

Africa and specially Subsaharia is full of partially endogamic groups as well exogamic ones ( Igbos, https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/fulani-hausa-igbo-and-yoruba-mating-patterns/).

Endogamy (not in their extreme forms) seems easier to spread new mutations than a exogamy…

but exogamy seems better to reduce mutational load and increase intelligence.

there are ”two” (or more) ways to increase intelligence, exogamic via, endogamic via, etc

and as happen in mixed race (genetically diverse, 😉 ) countries like Brazil, great diversity of cognitive levels can be found in this scenario, and some african families can have greater psycho-cognitive diversity within them than others.

Many ”smart” people, via IQ or any other reasonably good parameter, are smarter than their parents and most of their relatives and in place such Africa, with higher genetic diversity, this progression to the mean may be more common (but generally, progression to the mean often be subsequently followed by regression’s to the mean, specially if the polygenic traits were more recessive or have lack of biological stock necessary to become dominant)…

In Brazil the avg IQ is around 85 but even in the places with lowest avg IQ such Northeast there are selective pockets where people with similar levels of ”intelligence” usually marry one each other. Is perfectly possible a place with avg IQ 80, a bigger (or at least genetically diverse) population, have this discrepant scenarios, where some group of smarter people (specially if compared to the local mean) are demographically robust enough (even as a tiny minority) to create a relatively separated niche of biological reproduction and sustain it for long time or even increase their number.

Igbo types born that way*

级数 起 the mean, 🙂

Ails the community? Psychopathic? I think not.

This behavior is not pathological. It is a feature, and part of the social and cultural fabric of the community.

This behavior is only pathological in the societies of the occident.

Lynn’s work sucks because comparing the results of IQ testing of people at different levels of development is not a fair comparison. We know IQ has gone up (Flynn effect) with increases in socioeconomic development in homogeneous European countries.

Second, generalizing from the results of IQ testing of American ethnic groups is problematic, because African-Americans (for example), are not representative of African ethnic diversity, and have admixture with Europeans.

The reality is that genes + environment give rise to phenotype. Cross-continental IQ testing fails to control for known and significant environmental differences. Testing in the US fails to be representative of African genetic diversity, and may represent merely an unfavorable strain of European genetic heritage (the mutant zombie redneck rapist strain per Chanda).

Historically, all the action in politics in Africa is between “high IQ” ethnic groups and “low IQ” ethnic groups, which would be implausible if Africans all had the same genetic potential.

Last, I think the Copts have the highest IQ as an ethnic group, but that does not make Egypt the most advanced nation in the world. Even if you wanted to make some generalization about Europeans, the West was backwards relative to the Arabs and China until at least the Renaissance, but presumably their genetic potential has not drastically improved in 500 years relative to China and Arabia.

She is using girl logic in which anecdotes are proof. She is a street-sh*tting idiot.

“We know IQ has gone up (Flynn effect) ” – It should not be called Flynn effect but at best Flynn’s discovery, though I doubt he discovered it. It must have been known before but they preferred to sweep this little unconvenient secret under the carpet until they could not do it anymore. So here comes Lynn. Lynn’s job was to explain it away. Imagine what would it take to deal with variability of 1-meter standard kept in Sevres if its variability was discovered? The cultural/environmental drift in IQ test results (I would call it IQ testing savviness) is a devastating blow to the whole methodology of IQ/intelligence pseudo-science. For this reason the true believers like like to use the concept of g instead of IQ in their statements. The concept of g possibly was constructed to escape the fluidity and uncertainty of IQ tests to put the pseudo-science or more firm footing. But in reality nobody really does complex testing to arrive at this elusive g. In reality regular IQ tests are applied. In practice and reality g=(result of IQ test)! The same old crappy tests that were used to find out which recruits needed to be taught how to wipe their ass and eat with fork and knife .

I wonder if Chanda Chisala could tell us what is the reality of IQ testing in some African countries. Who did it? By what methods? What were the samples? Who funded it? Always follow the money.

Black-White IQ gap in USA exists even when blacks and whites are paired on SES.

Your hand-waving argument versus my hand-waving argument. Nothing is really proved.

In any case, African American IQs are comparable to Euro-American IQs in 1945, when the US was unquestionably the leading scientific, technical, business, industrial and military power in the World. So any social, economic or educational difficulties that African Americans have today cannot be explained by a deficit in IQ.

And, if African-Americans earn more than Euro-Americans of the same IQ , that indicates that economic performance is unrelated to IQ, which shows that IQ as a measure of functional intelligence is entirely useless.

Chanda Chisala, could tell us what is/was the reality of IQ testing in some African countries. Who did it? By what methods? What were the samples? Who funded it? Always follow the money.

Where did Flynn got his numbers from? In case of some European countries as was pointed out by Ron Unz Flynn was very creative in inventing IQ scores for countries.

ex-unit’sdicLies!

“I don’t think the IQ scores or estimates are where the problem is” – I agree but I think you should be more vigilant and adhere to scientific codes and procedures.. Rule number one is not to trust data presented by people who possibly may have a hidden agenda or bias and/or who are sloppy researchers. I suspect that national/country scores presented by Lynn and others often are made up, “interpolated”, “extrapolated” and whatnot . Basically they are not empirical data. But still they are repeated and widely circulated.

Say, Burkina Faso at this site

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/bf-burkina-faso

is reported as IQ=68 with the following note:

“These numbers came from a work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.”

Do you believe that somebody did IQ testing in Burkina Faso? Where from Lynn and Vanhanen did get this number?

Anyway, Chanda Chisala, I gather that you do not know, which is OK but what is worst, you seem no to care. Imagine that the actual number of Burkina Faso is 90. How do you know it is not true? Because of Lynn? I understand your argument and what you are trying to accomplish but you might be beating the horse that is dead or horse that was never alive but nobody cared to check its pulse or existence.

Keeping out of the debate because all points of view seem here to have already been put; as well as because I catch the scent of a nostril-flaring pack mentality among the opponents (do you have to be so offensive to the poor guy?). Keeping out, I say, but please allow me to slip in a mention of the 英语 card game “Lexicon” of which (American invented) Scrabble is a more durable and successful rip-off.

嘿utu，

Do you believe that somebody did IQ testing in Burkina Faso?

To ask the question is to have answered it.

好点。

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As for Farhar’s “reasonable” comment, I do not personally find reasonable or “civil” anyone who throws around words like “dishonest” and “disingenuous” the moment they just find some discrepancy on the opposing side of the debate (and I owe them no civil discussion — or any discussion — at that point; Why assume the worst about someone?)

Fair enough. I try to read comments on the Unz Review with my sensitivity turned down (not always with success) and I was preoccupied with trying to figure out if “disgenuine” implied someone writing in English as a second language (and doing so quite well overall IMHO) rather than noting its pejorative nature. I am much more sensitive to whether statements are accurate and have a major problem with citations that don’t say what they were purported to say (agreed about not being quick to assume the worst though).

P.S. It’s best to try to get names correct (Fanhar) when trying to be civil. I don’t always succeed myself, and you probably have people mistake yours more often than most (I hope I haven’t erred there anywhere).

P.P.S. Any thought on how much of the effect you are seeing is due to different IQ means in different populations (e.g. the Igbo)? On a related note, it would probably be worth discussing the apparent non-normality (fat tails) of IQ distributions as part of your argument.

Well, since you don’t like hand-waving here’s some data to support szopen’s argument: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html

Perhaps you can supply some data to support yours?

No self testing.
In England in the mid 60’s your future state in government schools was decided by a test called the “11 plus” It determined if you went to the “Grammar School” or a school that was basically to prepare you for a Trade- called Secondary Modern schools. In Liverpool at the time you listed your preferred schools and they filled them from the top down. I came in top of my 130 kid class and got into my number one school.
Three years later we moved to a different city and I was retested. And retested, and retested. I got into my number one school.
After a turbulent teens, I went to a temp agency who routinely performed (then legal) IQ tests, I was looking for a laboring job to get fit again, they sent me to do critical path analysis for a telephone company’s rebuild of a network. I joined a major American bank as a temp and was a Vice President 5 years later. I was offered promotions in Zurich and NYC, I foolishly took the latter.
I met a guy who pursuaded me to do the Mensa thing, did it twice- once in Brooklyn, I think, Once in Philly, I scored 163 and 162. My pal beat me by 2 points, both times.

I’m not sure of much but am certain of the 4 sd.

Crosswords aren’t really competitive, but this guy was apparently some sort of champion: http://www.word-buff.com/crossword-solver.html

And of course Fr. (later Msgr.) Ronald Knox, the Catholic chaplain at Oxford in the thirties, was legendary; he used to do the 伦敦时报 crossword in his head (there is a story that once, on a train, a student observed him staring at the paper, pencil in hand, not writing, apparently puzzled, and kindly offered to help; Knox said “Thank you, but I’ve just got it.” and proceeded to fill in the entire puzzle). In later life he did play Scrabble, but unfortunately for the purposes of psychometrics, not competitively. I think I remember reading somewhere that on his (Knox’s) deathbed he began to cheat at Scrabble with his friend Evelyn Waugh; I’m not sure if that is important. Knox was of Scottish ancestry.

The train story seems to have several extant versions, so I’ll leave it as above.

RSDB

If you have a point, state it, but don’t expect me to run around, pursuing links here or there, trying to figure out what you’re talking about.

My point, incidentally, was quite explicit. Actually I made two points. But since you missed them, I’ll repeat them:

(1) African American IQs today are comparable to Euro-American IQs in 1945, when the US was unquestionably the leading scientific, technical, business, industrial and military power in the World. So any social, economic or educational difficulties that African Americans have today cannot be explained by a deficit in IQ.

(2) If African-Americans earn more than Euro-Americans of the same IQ , that indicates that economic performance is unrelated to IQ, which shows that IQ as a measure of functional intelligence is entirely useless.

Hope they sink in this time.

I think you have misinterpreted the data, regardless of any population IQ issues.

Mistake #1: Scrabble is not only a cognitive game, it is coupled to randomness and imperfect information.

Randomness and imperfect information both have the effect of increasing everyone’s variance and in addition they specifically reduce the role of the very thing that IQ tests measure: the ability to solve puzzles with complete information and no randomness. This makes outcomes that seem extreme in a tested-IQ-only model, much less extreme and therefore more common (nothing like the 5.6 SD outlier as suggested in the essay). And if skills like dealing with randomness and limited information, that are not examined in puzzle-based IQ tests, do not show the same group differences as on IQ tests, then that will further equalize performance of groups that have different IQ measurements. The more dissimilar the game is to a pure IQ test, the less the IQ test patterns will apply to it.

Thus, if the board games are mostly proxies for IQ, we would expect the pattern of group representation among checker champions to be intermediate between the patterns for chess/go and the one for Scrabble. Which is exactly what your article seems to show. Crosswords should be even more closely related to IQ than chess (since IQ tests do not involve strategic thinking or guessing opponents’ thought processes). Yes, this says both that IQ tests are limited in certain ways, and that your argument has problems.

Mistake #2: Game champions who are accomplished in a related field, such as mathematics or computer programming, should be counted as smarter (in some sense, probably including IQ) than ones who only specialize in the game. Lots of chess players are good at mathematics, but to be both a grandmaster and a mathematician is more impressive than either one alone.

Afro Americans with same IQ levels or with the same “income” level tend to commit more crimes than: Whites and Hispanics… And I no doubt, also than east Asians. Compare behavioral trends when income and IQ levels are adjusted/equalized just showed the continuity of overall black behavioral trends.

I’m not a IQ denier as many people may think. I just want to give the right weight to the IQ efficacy to measure and express intelligence, partial but efficient and useful.

The super lower IQ of Americans when it is adjusted to the current IQ calculations is not a real thing but a calculation artfact.

Someone explain me why Haitians, with the less mixed blood among all african-Americans populations, are the poorest of all…??

Mostly, whites mating with blacks were more likely plantation owners, people like Thomas Jefferson, rather than “white trash.”

与自由黑人相比，混血在奴隶中更不常见。

African American IQs today are comparable to Euro-American IQs in 1945

We invented the atomic bomb and the computer in 1945. Where is a similar level of development in Africa?

http://newobserveronline.com/povertycrime-excuse-smashed/

Do you believe that somebody did IQ testing in Burkina Faso?

The place seems like it would be a little rough for Western IQ testers running around to the villages.

I Was Raped in Burkina Faso and My Rapist’s Trial Will Take 10 Years
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When I first began the Peace Corps, there were 33 of us in my swear-in group. 18 of us were women. And in 27 months, six of us have been raped.

They’ve had a busy year:

Burkina Faso says another coup plot foiled by authorities
10月21，2016发布

Burkina Faso attack: Foreigners killed at luxury hotel
16年2016月XNUMX日
… 28 people were killed and a further 56 injured after Islamist militants attacked a hotel in the capital
… 176 hostages had been rescued
… Among those known to have died are:
… Six Canadian
… Two French
… Two Swiss
… One … Dutch
… An American missionary

Burkina Faso President, PM Held Hostage by Soldiers
最近更新：九月16，2015

Richard Lynn also collected IQ of university students in Africa and the results were convergent to their thinking lines.

South africans with indian descent also score lower than white south africans. Boers scored lower than anglos. Even in 更多 selected universities, namely in South Africa, this hierarchy was found: white students score higher than indian students who score higher than african black students…

There is a global pattern of this racial hierarchy in intelligence and it’s not all pure breed african diasporas who are well succesful. Indeed this well succesful groups are likely to be a volumous exceptions than a rule.

http://newobserveronline.com/south-africa-85-university-failure-rate/

http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/04/university-study-on-iqs-in-sub-saharan-africa/

http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/lynn2010.pdf

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

My request was very explicit. Please provide data to support your arguments. Starting with your points 1 and 2 in the previous post.

And please leave off the condescension. If you are incapable of understanding how my link supports szopen’s argument there’s really not much I can do to help you.

For anyone who is looking for a parlor game you might try playing “spot the fallacies” with CanSpeccy’s point 2.

(1) African American IQs today are comparable to Euro-American IQs in 1945, when the US was unquestionably the leading scientific, technical, business, industrial and military power in the World. So any social, economic or educational difficulties that African Americans have today cannot be explained by a deficit in IQ.

(2) If African-Americans earn more than Euro-Americans of the same IQ , that indicates that economic performance is unrelated to IQ, which shows that IQ as a measure of functional intelligence is entirely useless.

正确。

Unz did some research on the race/IQ issue, and wrote some good stuff illuminating what you’re pointing out in the blockquote above — all of which made the HBD “theorists” look like the one-track minds they are. I can’t seem to find the baseline article from the Unz front-page. Perhaps, if Ron reads this, he will provide the link.

My request was very explicit. Please provide data to support your arguments. Starting with your points 1 and 2 in the previous post.

LOL. It’s like the old joke about the racist CPO and the sinking of the Titanic. What date? is the question to white sailor. How many casualties? is the question to the latino sailor. What were their names? is the question to the black sailor.

You guys and your demands for data — you crack me up. “What? The floor needs sweeping???!!! Show me the data!!”

1) Nobody ever claimed that IQ comparisons across culture (okay, maybe some idiots do claim this) or across time period have any validity. Per capita US income has also risen significantly, but nobody would say that a man earning $4000/annum in 1950 was impoverished. But income as a scale is still valid.

2) This statemen involves a number of claims, each of which is false for a different reason. You are essentially using income as a measure of “functional intelligence” – in this case, why bother with IQ at all? Second, do AAs earn more than whites proportional to IQ? That is, assuming there is a rough IQ “constant of proportionality” for each race, is this a) significantly higher for blacks and b) about as effective a predictor?

Further, where does the assumption “African-Americans earn more than Euro-Americans of the same IQ” come from? If “res” is asking for data, I assume he means some substantiation of this claim.

If you can show that either 1) IQ is not an effective predictor of “X”, X being the thing you desire to predict (income?) among blacks, or 2) black/white IQ comparisons are meaningless because of cultural or other differences (perhaps what you really meant in your point 1) which have little to do with “X”, you will have made your point. So far you have not done so.

What is the “g” that IQ is supposed to measure? It is certainly not income, though obviously correlations have been established. Literally, what IQ measures is proficiency on an IQ test. Probably most closely related to this is general cognitive abstract-puzzle-solving skill. This appears, within limits, to be closely associated with proficiency at certain tasks.

这篇文章的作者 is a racist. He believes different groups can have different innate intelligence levels. Like Igbo versus Hausa.

Who cares dumb ass. We’re talking about IQ here, not technological or scientific achievement.

笑。

You guys and your demands for data — you crack me up.

So how do you propose coming to meaningful conclusions about issues like this without using data? Whoever is most politically correct, yells loudest, or is paid the most wins?

Sure. There’s now a link on the Home page to the archive of all the various Race/IQ articles, of which my long one is near the bottom:

Yes, that one — the long one.

It’s not that I don’t sympathize with the HBD “theorists” — I do. It would be convenient if all that bullshit about genetic IQ-determinism were demonstrable, verifiable, and true. It’s just that, as much as I hate to use ugly words, it’s bullshit. Stark, staring, glaring bullshit. Yet, the HBD folk will just flat-out ignore absolutely controverting fact — like the fact that a given population-normed IQ tracks/correlates with nutrition at some ridiculous degree of correlation (0.92). I don’t know the numbers for factors like social interaction, education, disease control, and other factors related to environment.

Oh, well. Thanks for the links.

You know who. 😉

So how do you propose coming to meaningful conclusions about issues like this without using data? Whoever is most politically correct, yells loudest, or is paid the most wins?

Are we assuming you favor the “yells loudest” approach?

Mostly, who wins is determined by the media. Media typically goes with some combination of target-audience bias (established through prior media conditioning), with an admixture of some purported “fact” that meets conditions of believability, plus some measure of high-profile popularity.

I admit I don’t really understand your reply. That’s not a bad thing, though. If I tried to write in a foreign language it would be ten times less clear.

As for your point about Europeans being irrational, I don’t believe this is the case, or at least not in the way you mean it. Warfare, poverty, prejudice, etc. don’t necessarily imply irrationality. There are rational cases for war. There are also limitations on resources which can lead to poverty.

But where I most definitely object is where you attribute those qualities as fundamental characteristics of European civilization. Poverty, warfare, prejudice, etc., are largely universal features of human life.
What makes societies unique however is how they address these issues. Europeans have developed great rationality over time, much greater than the global south. Europeans have experienced skyrocketed technological, philosophical, and ethical development over the last 1,000 years. There’s no comparison there with the global south. Of course, societies like China also developed along rational lines. A man on the moon proves without a shadow of a doubt that western civilization outshines non-technological civilizations, just as China’s sending an astronaut into orbit is proof of their greater sophistication versus a society like Mozambique.

It’s like with slavery. Are Europeans uniquely irrational because they participated in slavery? No, because that mode of suffering was widespread historically. You even had black Bantu slaves in China.

No, what makes Europeans actually uniquely rational in this matter is the effort to abolish slavery, which was a white European/American venture. In fact slavery continues in much of Africa today, but is absent in NA and EU.

As for the shy Africans, I don’t really think speculation leads to a more accurate picture. Regardless of who leads a society, IQ does contribute to the overall trajectory and condition of that society. Otherwise it wouldn’t correlate with SO much! If the societies with the lowest life expectancies, per capita income, access to quality healthcare, etc., all correlate with lower IQ, then “g” is a pretty important metric.
And then we have the universal character of it; how can St. Louis, MO, Port-Au-Prince, Haiti, and Monrovia display the same kind of dynamic? That’s something that should be addressed in my opinion. There is no way that societies on different continents with different influences can be so similar without a genetic cause of their shared dysfunction.

As for mass immigration, I don’t reject it because of IQ solely. I reject it because I don’t want my four children to be disenfranchised and bound to an ever-increasing population that will never allow them to reach their true potential. My most fundamental moral charism is to provide for and protect them, and mass immigration is a serious threat to their future happiness and well being (I believe).

I wish I could understand your reply more thoroughly. I admit that a lot of this is above my pay grade. I’m just offering my take on things even if I’m not the most knowledgable on this topic. Thank you for your thoughts.

I’ve just finish reading your Race IQ and Wealth paper. You pose there a problem of super-Flynn effect vs. the “extreme rigidity of IQ” form adopted twins studies. Also you stated that “Lynn and Vanhanen cite several of these studies to argue that IQ is at least 80 percent hereditary.” The number is closer to 70% from Minnesota studies. One must keep in mind that results of any twins study strongly depends on the type of sample, i..e, what is the range of environment differences, which are hard to quantify, the separated twins were exposed to. The effect of different ranges of environmental factors cannot be easily normalized out from the study. If one twin is raised by Upper West Side family and the other by Upper East Side family as opposed to by a band of Gypsies the range will be small and the hereditary part of IQ will end up being inflated.

根据这篇文章

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304898704577478482432277706

“Eric Turkheimer and others at the University of Virginia have shown that in the most disadvantaged families, heritability of IQ falls and the influence attributed to the shared family environment rises to 60%.”