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有一个欺骗性的和历史性的神话,经常在右翼圈子中浮出水面,试图以关于俄罗斯革命的谎言来破坏社会主义。 无论多少次因制造而被无效化,反动神话都将持续存在。 可以预见,作者指的是荒谬的说法,即美国资本家或“华尔街银行家”秘密资助了世界历史上最划时代的政治革命之一,这场政治革命推翻了罗曼诺夫王朝并结束了俄罗斯帝国,导致了苏联成立。 很难找到在政治左派中没有遇到过这种野蛮宣传的人,这取决于其拥护者在政治领域的落地权有多远,但通常会有相同的核心证据集-免费索偿。

撇开这个荒谬的前提在政治上是否有意义,可以承认的是,这些错误主张的核心是真理的微小元素,它们被歪曲和夸大了,达到欺骗的地步。 对这一指控进行的任何研究都不可避免地导致了它的最流行引用来源, 华尔街与布尔什维克革命 由英美保守派学者安东尼·萨顿(Antony C. Sutton)撰写。 萨顿推论的主要论点是,“华尔街”通过瑞典金融家奥洛夫·阿施伯格间接资助了布尔什维克,奥洛夫·阿施伯格是一位著名的银行家和共产主义者,在他的一生中支持各种左翼事业,包括后来的西班牙人民阵线。内战。 第一次世界大战期间,Aschberg在中立的瑞典是一名银行家,然后将业务扩展到德国,然后他将款项转移到俄罗斯的布尔什维克。 但是,萨顿在Aschberg和“华尔街”之间建立的联系充其量是矛盾和脆弱的。

虽然是 明显 1916年,阿施伯格(Aschberg)访问纽约,以说服一群美国私人商人,在结束战争后,俄罗斯的战时金融机会将继续蓬勃发展。萨顿(Sutton)自己承认,他在美国 代表沙皇政府 谈判为俄罗斯帝国财政部提供 50 万美元的贷款。 萨顿随后驳斥了他自己的说法,声称阿施伯格同时“从德国政府”向俄罗斯革命者挪用资金,就像他作为尼古拉斯二世财政部长彼得·巴克的代理人一样。 如果是这样的话,那么社会主义者阿施伯格很可能在他被聘为俄罗斯君主制代表的时候,欺骗了美国私人银行家的合伙企业,无意中向布尔什维克提供了财政支持。 应该指出的是,这笔交易发生在当时美国在战争中保持中立期间,因为美国要到次年才会参与冲突,而且众所周知,阿施伯格与盟军陷入了麻烦。 显然,萨顿无法辨别这些洋基资本家正在被“布尔什维克银行家”欺骗,而是有意将他们的资金通过瑞典金融家转移到共产主义革命。

即使是正确的,与对布尔什维克的主要补贴相比,来自阿施伯格的Nya Banken的资金渠道也将构成微不足道的部分,这主要是由于他们从富商,土地贵族和俄罗斯东正教的高级成员那里获得的财富提到沙皇及其家族的统治阶级,他们积累了数百年不可估量的财富。 俄国内战后,阿施贝格(Aschberg)建立了苏联的第一家外贸银行,即罗斯库姆银行(Roskombank),这是苏联政府的第一个法令,即对金融业进行国有化,私人银行家的资产被国家没收。 此后,苏联的银行业务仅出于赞助外贸和将农业大国迅速发展为现代全球超级大国的目的。 如果有任何美国银行家被阿施伯格(Aschberg)愚弄以资助马克思主义革命,他们将自己的命运确定下来。

萨顿指责德国政府首先赞助了布尔什维克,这是由亚历山大·克伦斯基(Alexander Kerensky)领导的临时政府提出的,该政府在二月革命中尼古拉斯二世退位后上台。 短暂的临时政府的要求基于电报电缆,该电报据称显示了柏林与革命者之间的付款,后来被用作抹杀列宁(Vladimir Lenin)作为“德国特工”的证据。 此后,历史学家一直在争论电报的真实性,但是如果德国确实将资金转移给布尔什维克,那仅仅是因为革命反对俄罗斯参与帝国主义战争才是破坏其敌人的门户。 因此,在1917年XNUMX月,德国情报机构允许列宁在社会民主党人亚历山大·帕尔维斯(Alexander Parvus)的安排下,通过火车,火车经过德国,瑞典和芬兰从瑞士流亡返回俄罗斯。 但是,这种干预与英法两国政府也试图影响俄罗斯事务的类似干预无异。 实际上,据报道是法国人截获了发给临时政府的派遣,该派遣显示了德国与布尔什维克之间的假定交易。

如果任何布尔什维克确实是外国政府的代理人,那么这一区分将属于列昂·托洛茨基,他直到1917年1918月才在俄国社会主义运动的多数派中获准,此前他曾在最初的政党分裂期间与孟什维克派一起驻扎,然后跨入多年来自称为“非派系社会民主人士”的栅栏。 如果说实话,托洛茨基从来都不是一个专心的布尔什维克,事实证明他的机会主义对西方帝国主义的利益很有用,即英国人可疑地命令加拿大当局将他从四月份的新斯科舍省释放。 为什么英国人可以让一名革命者重返俄罗斯,并可能使另一个盟国退出战争,这似乎令人费解,但托洛茨基主张“既不战争也不和平”是阻碍列宁与德国进行单独停火的机会。并接受中央大国的条款。 这将在XNUMX年布列斯特-利托夫斯克条约签署的十月革命之后五个月产生后果,托洛茨基在那里领导外交部长的谈判,并以他的未经授权的策略破坏了和谈,从而破坏了和谈。

在第一任苏联内阁的原始任职者中,托洛茨基是犹太裔的唯一部长。 但是,这并没有阻止沙皇白人运动在俄罗斯内战期间传播有关布尔什维克内部“犹太人”占主导地位的宣传。 除了这种猜想的种族主义外,事实也证明事实是不正确的,如图所示。 统计 由莫斯科出版 Vedomosti的 报纸:

“如果我们抛弃那些知道如何找到每个革命家的犹太起源的伪科学家的猜测,结果发现,在犹太人人民委员会理事会的第一届会议上,有8%的人:在其16名成员中,只有莱昂·托洛茨基(Leon Trotsky)一个犹太人。 在1917–1922年俄罗斯社会主义联邦苏维埃共和国政府中,犹太人占12%(50人中有1917人)。 除政府外,俄罗斯社会民主工党中央委员会(布尔什维克)于20年6月前夕有30%的犹太人(40名中有3名),并且在第一届中央政治委员会中俄罗斯共产党(布尔什维克)-7%(XNUMX之XNUMX)。

耸人听闻的“犹太布尔什维克主义”谎言实际上是臭名昭著的骗局的延伸 锡安长老的议定书 它本身是1903年由俄罗斯帝国的秘密警察Okhrana伪造的,他们散布了伪造的文字,以转移沙皇政权对替罪羊日益增长的不满。 罗曼诺夫(Romanov)于1917年被罢免后,白人运动在俄罗斯内战中将反对之声转向反对派,与此同时,西方运动的支持者则提倡这种情绪,例如 温斯顿·丘吉尔 和亨利·福特(Henry Ford)。 在某种程度上,“犹太-布尔什维克主义”骗局变成了资助布尔什维克的“犹太银行家”或“华尔街”。

萨顿声称,德国出生的犹太裔美国人银行家雅各布·希夫(Jacob Schiff)是布尔什维克的秘密金融家。 这显然也是错误的,因为席夫是俄罗斯自由之友协会的支持者,该协会是一个跨大西洋的组织,既反对布尔什维克,也反对沙皇。 今天,反动的历史修正主义者希望我们忘记,在某种程度上由外国银行家提供资金和支持的,诡reach的临时政府曾经存在于二月革命和十月革命之间的几个月中。 希夫以前曾支持失败的1905年革命,因为在俄罗斯帝国统治下发生了许多反犹太人的大屠杀,但一旦布尔什维克解散了亲战的临时政府,他便立即退出了1917年革命的支持。 解释 由肯尼斯·阿克曼(Kenneth Ackerman)在 1917年在纽约的托洛茨基:革命前夕的激进派:

“希夫对俄罗斯的抱怨是它的反犹太主义。 在国内,席夫从未对社会主义表现出任何同情,甚至对温和的莫里斯·希尔奎特品种也没有表现出任何同情。 1917年1917月沙皇被推翻之后,席夫宣布在俄罗斯取得胜利,而代表新临时政府的亚历山大·凯伦斯基宣布亚历山大成为平等公民。 除了反复公开表示支持,他还动用了个人财富和库恩·勒布(Kuhn Loeb)的资源,向克伦斯基政权发放了巨额贷款。 列宁和托洛茨基在XNUMX年XNUMX月夺取政权时,希夫立即拒绝了他们,削减了进一步的贷款,开始为反布尔什切夫主义团体提供资金,甚至要求布尔什维克偿还他借给凯伦斯基的一些钱。 希夫还加入了英国支持的努力,呼吁俄罗斯的犹太同胞继续与德国作战。

俄罗斯自由之友学会的另一位成员是美国探险家乔治·肯南(George Kennan),他是未来美国外交官的第二堂表亲,也是冷战期间的有影响力的战略家乔治·肯南(George F. Kennan)。 肯南(Kennan)于1917年XNUMX月被引用 “纽约时报” 文章 解释席夫和美国俄罗斯自由之友协会如何资助二月革命。 但是,年长的肯南也坚决 十月革命,当美国总统伍德罗·威尔逊(Woodrow Wilson)批准美国参加盟军对俄罗斯内战的干预时, 说服 他在1918年的报告中批评布尔什维克。 如果华尔街银行家为布尔什维克提供资金,为什么英裔美国人派兵加入盟国入侵俄罗斯并与红军作战? 肯南对苏联的最后谴责是 书面 在1923:

“俄罗斯豹没有改变它的位置……。 新的布尔什维克宪法……将所有权力留给了过去五年来的一切—由一小撮自任命的官僚机构掌握,这些人是人民无法罢免或控制的。”

多年后,作为乔治·肯南(George F. Kennan)特使建立反共苏维埃移民的灵感的一部分 诸如俄罗斯人民解放美国委员会(ACLPR,AMCOMLIB)之类的组织源于他对俄罗斯自由之友协会的了解,这是由他的叔叔在俄罗斯帝国时期创立的。 AMCOMLIB也以布尔什维克主义的美国解放委员会的名字命名,于1950年成立,是中央情报局QKACTIVE项目的一部分,在该项目中,美国情报部门还建立了无线电解放组织,其后被称为欧洲自由广播电台/自由电台在铁幕后面。 不仅如此,俄罗斯自由之友协会 -布尔什维克(Bolshevik),它的活动成为肯南(Kennan)有影响力的冷战遏制策略的一部分。

奇怪的是,后来乔治·F·肯南(George F. Kennan)证明了臭名昭著的“西森文件”,声称列宁及其同事是“德国特工”,在1956年的一篇文章中 现代史杂志。 美国政府新闻部委员会的埃德加·西森(Edgar Sisson)于1918年发布的文件是使布尔什维克(Bolshevik)声名狼藉的宣传行动的一部分,该行动强化了德国-布尔什维克阴谋的理论,并为盟军入侵俄罗斯提供了更多依据。 与美国媒体对伊拉克战争的报道一样令人毛骨悚然,除了战争通讯员约翰·里德(John Reed)之外,当时的大多数黄色媒体都毫不批评地接受了《西森文件》(Sisson Documents)。 虽然现在人们普遍承认德国外交部在一定程度上为布尔什维克提供了资金,但肯南的学术工作表明,在肯定先入为主的观念并为所要采取的行动,特别是战争提供理由时,相信欺骗性信息是危险的。

埃德加·西森(Edgar Sisson)
埃德加·西森(Edgar Sisson)

近年来,关于俄国革命的这类小说并没有沦落为边缘,甚至在小说《俄罗斯革命》的书页中也得到了应用。 纽约时报 当它允许伪历史学家肖恩·麦克米金(Sean McMeekin)取出 专栏 在诞辰100周年之际,复兴了列宁是“德国特工”的骗局。 在新的冷战中,美国和俄罗斯之间紧张关系的加剧,以及莫斯科干涉美国大选的虚假指控,使虚假信息正常化,虚假叙述由轶事和歪曲构成。 现在,不仅是右翼,对于苏联历史上的这种心理战来说,是一群容易受骗的听众,而且是轻信的西方自由主义者。 在他的辩护中,至少像萨顿这样的古希腊自由主义者愿意质疑俄罗斯革命的“官方”叙述,但不幸的是,由于西森伪造的红色恐慌,例如俄罗斯套娃,在宣传中只剩下更多关于共产主义的宣传。比任何右翼的炮弹都更深如果那些寻求关于历史真相的人是真诚的,即使他们揭露的真相使他们的整个政治观点受到质疑,他们也会继续寻找。 不停寻找。

马克斯·帕里(Max Parry)是独立记者和地缘政治分析师。 他的著作已广泛出现在其他媒体上。 最高可达到 [电子邮件保护]

 
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  1. Wyatt 说:

    There is a deceitful and ahistorical myth that frequently resurfaces in right-wing circles seeking to discredit socialism with lies about the Russian Revolution. No matter how many times it has been invalidated as fabrication, the reactionary mythos endures.

    • 同意: chris, Schuetze
    • 哈哈: Jus' Sayin'...
    • 回复: @chris
    , @Curmudgeon
  2. Magylson 说:

    So in other words its all true. The Germans did support the Bolsheviks and Walter Schiff did finance the 1906 socialist coup attempt despite being a vulture capitalist. He also boasted about donating 10 million to the 1917 coup (it wasn’t a real peoples revolution). Also the very first Bolshevik ruling committee had seven members not 16 and of that seven four were Jewish. These tiny grains of truth are the size of boulders.

  3. As the author’s Bolshevik pals would have said, if anyone but a Bolshevik wrote this disjointed and pointless essay: “that’s just a lot of ‘whataboutism’”
    Boichik, you don’t disprove nothing by critiquing one other guy’s writings, in all this was just a long rant in the style of commenting on the other commenter’s comment on the original comment that had nothing to do with the original headline article. What’s even worse, it’s your own headline article…

  4. brabantian 说:

    Regarding Swedish Jew Olof Aschberg (1877-1960) named above as involved with the Russian Revolution –

    His grandson Robert Aschberg (1952- ) is a key pro-globalist media figure in Sweden today, long engaged in campaigns of intimidation of nationalist and anti-immigration etc media and political figures … Aschberg famously going around with a film crew and a baseball bat in his hand.

    Journalist Bechir Rabani confronted Robert Aschberg at his home, and then was found dead, said to have been murdered.

    Granskning Sverige produced a well researched documentary about Aschberg exposing his shocking control of Swedish law courts. In total he has scammed at least 50 Million USD from innocent Swedes while being acquitted of all his crimes thanks to his connections.

    Many people are interviewed and they all say he is a psychopath and gangster. Not only that, there are several suspicious murders connected to Aschberg.

    Aschberg stated that sex with animals is nothing strange … Aschberg admits that he acquired child pornography with permission from a Swedish court.

    Aschberg has a show called “Trolljägarna” on TV 3 where he makes home visits to ordinary Swedish people that opposed the marxist tyranny in Sweden on the internet. He scares them with his film team and his baseball bat and he tries to destroy their life by outing them on tv. A persistent rumour states that Aschberg belongs to the class of satanist Jewish gangsters …

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2019/12/Robert-Aschberg-Portrait-of-an-Illuminati-Gangster.html
    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/12/swedish-activist-murder.html

    • 回复: @Lucy Lipinska
  5. BuelahMan 说:

    I think Max’s Kippah is showing.

    • 同意: annamaria
  6. Jewish over representation in the Russian Revolution acknowledged

    “Was the Russian Revolution Jewish?” SETH J. FRANTZMAN PHD, Jerusalem Post
    https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323

    • 回复: @Craig Nelsen
  7. 让我们来看看 …
    Jacob Schiff and Kuhn, Loeb&Co. (then still fond of hearing themselves called “the German barons”) financed (((communist))) subversion since the 19th century, the Russo-Japanese War (triggered by a (((plot))) to get the Romanow court invested in the Yalu Sawmill Cie.), the revolutions of 1905 and 1917, then withdrew their money from the (((Bolshewiks))) for not being Jewish enough.

    At UR we are not often treated to rejects from the Vorwärts, but this should be too stupid even for Fran to touch.

    (((Kerensky))) was of course right about (((Lenin))) on every count;
    (((Nya Banken´s))) mainstay was laundering money for Israil Lasarewich Gelfand who put the Lenin plot before the Germans (((Erzberger))) in the first place.
    The delegation in Brest-Litowsk was 100% Jewish (as von Seeckt noted with some disgust) with the exception of a drunk muschik they kidnapped at the rail station to represent the “people”.
    The only goy in the first Central Committee was Uncle Joe, and even he was dubious.

    Should the goy-washing of early lifers proceed at this pace, in two or three years you will no doubt be surprised to learn that not only were these mass murderers not Jewish at all …
    [whisper] they were secretly 德国!

    You heard it here first 😛

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  8. Bartolo 说:

    马克斯帕里,你是个骗子。

    对于那些想要真相的人,其他评论者提出了很好的建议,但让我补充一下:

    关于犹太人参与革命,见 犹太世纪,由(半犹太人)伯克利教授 Yuri Slezkine 和 一起两百年, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn(我有法语版)。

    关于革命者资金的来源,见 俄国革命 (2017 年),由肖恩·麦克米金 (Sean McMeekin) 撰写。 在这方面,并非帕里所说的都是错误的(我对华尔街的资金一无所知,tbh),但其中大部分也是谎言。

    我对俄罗斯友好的人(我是我自己)或共产主义者没有任何问题。 只是不要说谎。

    • 同意: annamaria
    • 回复: @Seraphim
  9. Andrei 说:

    Antisemites love the Romanovs for the same reason they love Hitler or the “Palestinians”: anybody who hates Jews openly is good in their book. Doesn’t matter that Russians lived in abject misery during Tsarist Russia with life expectancy around 30. Doesn’t matter that Hitler started a war which mostly killed non-Jewish Slavs. These small shortcomings can be easily overlooked and absolved as long as they have the cardinal virtue of hating Jews, blaming them for everything, suppressing and hunting them down.

  10. Max Parry doesn’t know a damn thing about Russian history. One can only laugh at half of the text he wrote. I am from Russia and I find it funny that he was taught this way at a bourgeois university.

  11. Max Parry 说:
    @Renics Nykoros

    You mean you are a self-loathing Westernized emigre? If only I did learn this version from academia.

    • 巨魔: Ugetit
    • 回复: @Druid55
  12. Tom Verso 说:

    I would not presume to make a judgment about the role of Jews in the Russian Revolution.

    However, I do know that there is a large body of ostensively scholarly work that argues as such.

    To dismiss that volume of documentation with a 2300 word antidotal journalistic ‘motif’ seriously calls into judgment the intellectual integrity of Max Perry.

    Anything he writes on these pages henceforth will not be taken seriously; if read at all.

    • 回复: @obwandiyag
    , @annamaria
  13. @Andrei

    Can´t seem to get your point …

    – Hitler did not “start” any war except in the Napoleonic sense
    (i.e. he refused to surrender).
    – The history of Jews vs. Russia (unlike, say, Germany) is simple:
    Rabid hatred ever since Katharina the Great´s (German, what else)
    social reforms, with a pause when they ran the place (1917 – 1975 and the “oligarchs”).
    Prince Potemkin (of the “villages”) was the first victim of their hate campaigns.
    Alexander II was in the middle of necessary reforms when the (((Narodnaja Wolja)))
    retired him; Nikolai II was a weakling who shouldn´t have been in that position,
    but if someone is to blame it´s not his (German, what else) wifey nor Rasputin
    (the same (((hate campaigns))) as against, say, Marie Antoinette) but Pobiedonoszew
    (General Procuror of the Holy Synod and maybe not Jewish, but given that no one has ever heard of him … )
    – As for the “Palestinians” methinks a lot of people would be a lot more pro-Israel if only the Jews deigned to get out of their faces 😀

    • 同意: Kolya Krassotkin, Ugetit
    • 回复: @Andrei
  14. Andrei 说:
    @nokangaroos

    My point is you people are religious fanatics and there’s no point debating you just as there’s no point debating a Jehovah’s Witness about whether God exists or not. You don’t want an open discussion, you want to convert people to your dogmas.

    • 回复: @nokangaroos
    , @HeebHunter
  15. Malla 说:

    However, this did not prevent the Tsarist White movement from spreading propaganda during the Russian Civil War about the predominance of “Jews” within the Bolsheviks.


    Ex-KGB President Vladimir Putin admits that 80-85% of the early Soviet Government were made of Jews, who were BTW just 2% of the population of Russia.


    Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Ben Porat admits huge Jewish influence in the Communist movement and early Soviet Government. Hitler was afraid Jews would do to Germans what they did to Russians.

    • 同意: Alfred, Ugetit
    • 谢谢: mark green
    • 回复: @GMC
  16. Malla 说:
    @Andrei

    Antisemites love the Romanovs for the same reason they love Hitler or the “Palestinians”: anybody who hates Jews openly is good in their book.

    And most Russian Jews were innocent little victims. LOL. Not according to Fyodor Dostoevski’s observation
    从书中 From Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin: A Dialogue Between Adolf Hitler and Me
    http://www.racerealist.com/eckart_1.htm
    (BTW a must book to understand Bolshevism and Communism in general)

    “From long years of experience,” I brought out, “Dostoevski depicted the hair-raising conceit of the Russian Jew. [58] For a long time he lived with all kinds of convicts, including several Jews, sleeping on the same wooden bunks with them. Everyone treated these Jews in a friendly manner, he reported, not even taking offense at their raving-mad manner of praying. Probably their own religion had once been like that, thought the Russians to themselves, and they quietly let the Jews do as they pleased. But, on the other hand, the Jews haughtily rejected the Russians, didn’t want to eat with them, and looked down on them. And where was this? In a Siberian prison! All over Russia Dostoevski found this antipathy and loathing of the Jews for the natives. Nowhere, however, did the Russian people resent their behavior, indulgently believing it to be a part of the Jewish religion.”

    • 回复: @Andrei
    , @nokangaroos
  17. @Andrei

    I do not wish to “convert” anyone …
    feel free to point out any (factual, not doxological) errors – discourse is progress*.

    – No one disputes Russia was a backwards shithole to make a pig barf, but before the Bolshewiks the prize for demoralizing the people goes to Iwan IV (autocracy, vodka monopoly and not even a Romanow).
    Peter the Great – like Mustafa Kemal – discovered one lifetime is not enough to make a European country, and the backlash was inevitable; Katharina the Great and Alexander I and II tried in their own ways, followed by their own backlashes and hatreds; everything in between was power struggle against the bojars played on the backs of the peasantry, reminiscent of the German Empire from Friedrich II onwards.
    – As Fran has made plausible all agreeable Jews assimilated and those who were sociopaths but sucked at coverup were culled (actually the implications of the “genetic bottleneck” go a bit further, but that´s for a different time).
    The Jewish way of life lent itself to conspiracy and it doesn´t matter what was first, the duck or the water – it is not necessary to assume some uniquely evil design (“Protocols”) so there probably wasn´t one. Denial, however, is a dead end.

    *I admit to the scientists´shared disdain for history but if it is to serve any purpose it is to piece together webs of causality.
    decided to believe someone woke up in the morning and said:
    “Geez, I feel like gassing me some six million today … quick! Who are the most innocent ones?” so if there is a religious wacko here it´s not the humble one.
    You are not among friends, but neither am I; your only handicap is you cannot call the Holy Inquisition. It´s either that, or back to your safe space.

    So, what´s 的课 时间线?

    • 谢谢: HeebHunter
  18. Andrei 说:
    @Malla

    Dostoevski and Solzhenitsyn aren’t objective arbiters of reality. They’re writers with huge personal biases. I’m not denying their literary talent, but what they claim is not some sort of word of God. They’re very subjective interpretations.

    That doesn’t mean Jews are blameless. But the idea that Jews are primarily to blame for Russia’s (or the world’s) problems is ridiculous. Among foreign actors, western powers like Prussia, Imperial Britain and the USA are far more to blame for Russia’s troubles and isolation in the last two centuries than Jews are. It’s their imperial obssession with keeping Russia out of Europe that was and is Russia’s biggest external issue.

    • 巨魔: Lucy Lipinska, Alfred
    • 回复: @nokangaroos
    , @Druid
    , @Alfred
  19. @Malla

    Authentic Russian revolutionaries in Switzerland were unanimous in their verdict on the Lenin kamarilla (“Judenhetzer”, usually accompanied by hopes of seeing them hang).

    • 谢谢: Malla
  20. @Andrei

    What kept Russia out of Europe long-term was what landed Austria out of Germany and what will pry the US out of Europe: Outside interests.
    Under weak rulers the purges of Germans became almost a ritual (Exhibit A: Count Witte 1904; thank god he bore no grudge when peace had to be negotiated).
    And yes, Little Britain feared a German-Russian alliance even more than a German-French one (as USrael does now).

    – Jews formed a distinct extractive sublayer (usury, vodka, tax farming) in Russian society; one might call it the Byzantinisation of 霍夫朱登 if Byzantium had allowed such a thing.
    Again what is of most interest are the differences (French and German Jews vehemently 反对 immigration from Russia) – and the waves of immigration to the US: refugees from the 1848 National Revolution (social reformers like Carl Schurz), the 1873 bankruptcies (bankers and robber barons), the 1881 pogroms and the 1905 Stolypin Reaction (revolutzers and ragmen).

    Lesson One (“Nothing is ever that simple”) well taken 😀

  21. Malla 说:

    Dostoevski and Solzhenitsyn aren’t objective arbiters of reality. They’re writers with huge personal biases

    Yeah right, just because they honestly write about Jews they have “personal biases”. ya right.

    But the idea that Jews are primarily to blame for Russia’s (or the world’s) problems is ridiculous.

    Sadly that is how it is.

    western powers like Prussia, Imperial Britain and the USA are far more to blame

    You do not seem like an objective arbiter of reality. You seem to have personal biases against the West.
    LOL, moving on, yes that is an important point you have raised.

    • 哈哈: nokangaroos
  22. @Jack McArthur

    Stalin was a Georgian. Felix Dzerzhinsky, who established the Soviet secret police, was a Polish aristocrat.

    And the thoroughly evil Dzerzhinsky was, in addition to being the founder of the bloody CheKa, the son of a Polish Jew who had changed the family name in a successful bid for a place among the Polish nobility.

    • 谢谢: ivan
    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
    , @Bookish1
    , @Alfred
  23. Sue Dunham 说:

    Marx was a shitty visionary. The hammer and sickle has been replaced by a robot. Workers are no longer needed for industrial capitalism, therefore the proletariat will cease to exist. The bourgeoisie will follow shortly behind.

    • 回复: @Crass
  24. @Craig Nelsen

    For the record, there is no evidence that Dzerzhinsky had Jewish ancestry himself. I have tried to find real evidence, but couldn’t. The claim seems to have originated with Polish nationalists, who found it difficult to believe that he could be an ethnic Pole. But that’s what he was – a renegade Polish ex-Catholic.

    He was, however, married to a Polish Jewess. She had been a Social Democrat, but quickly became a Communist under his influence. They had one child, a son.
    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108864212/sofia-sigizmundovna-dzerzhinskaya

    • 谢谢: Pop Warner
    • 回复: @nokangaroos
  25. @Verymuchalive

    Wayward nobility was not unheard of, like Peter Prince Kropotkin
    (Czar´s butler and aristo-anarchist) or Archduchess Elisabeth Marie
    (daughter of Crown Prince Rudolf).
    It is also not unthinkable that contemporary German, Polish and White Russian
    sources played a little loose with the facts.
    什么是 is obvious is the Dsershinsky-as-Catholic-Pole number is a matter of the last five years at most, and grave robbing is a hobby of Jews looking for the German who started the Punic Wars.

    – #10 Priss, Kerensky – jew and freemason – was the choice of (((Wall St. and the City))):
    Waste the Romanows but protect the war effort and their investments; Lenin´s ultimately winning proposition (on which he also reneged) was end the war and default on the loans, leading in turn to the Anglo-American invasion (you didn´t think one was humanitarian, did you) i.e. Lenin, like Steinbeck´s Pippin IV, was the dark horse without any chance of winning before all others had thoroughly exhausted each other – he just played better; none of that is a state secret.

    – #26 Sue (any relation to Jeffrey?), Marx was crap from beginning (“古代社会“) to end (no industrial society ever fell for it); the only thing he actually studied was Manchester Liberalism, and not even that in the field (and the reason he was permanently broke was he didn´t understand the stock exchange either). He had a rather domineering personality (read: abject psychopath) and a very devout financier and hagiographer, is all. Lenin was his condign epigone 😀
    So if the proletariat springs from overproduction of workforce and we are becoming even more superfluous, where´s that leave us?

    • 谢谢: ivan
    • 回复: @Seraphim
  26. Aside from the Jewish debate, there is no doubt that Western nations feared the overthrow of royal dynasties by peasants. The Russian revolution was a fearful example. This explains why American troops were sent to fight Russians, and remained to fight after World War I ended.

    • 谢谢: Jazman
    • 回复: @Curmudgeon
  27. Doubtful 说:

    Well thanks Unz Review for having created a convenient dog whistle article. Now the Woke useful idiots can say with gusto, “Even the UNZ Review denies that Wall Street supported the Russian Revolution.” What else was the point of posting this non academic history, honestly? Normally, they only read the headlines, not the comments anyhow.

  28. An amazing article! It is so tiresome to see all these supposed anti-banker folks praise Hitler but… vehemently oppose the real anti-banker force – the Country of the Councils!

    To anyone knowing Russian, I would suggest the amazing series of interviews by Dmitry Puchkov of historian Yegor Yakovlev.

    On the topic of Jewish involvement in the Communist cause – it only reflects badly on the contemporary Germans/Russians, not on the Jews. Can anyone explain to me why Communism is bad? Communists hanged Christian priests and tended to pursue autarchy. Communism defeated Hitler’s Germany, Japan (1945) and America (1953). Communism did not fail in 1991 – it was the weak Christianised Russian race that sold their own mothers for the privilege to suck the Americans off.

    That said, my adoration for the achievements of Communism does not make me blind to the strides of German National Socialism which started and almost won the war that could have changed the fate of the planet for the better, probably murdering Jesus one final time. But it was not to be, and only Communist Korea (& China) survives in this last pre-dying gomorrahite onslaught of ever-gay Christians.
    http://www.arirangmeari.com/index.php?t=music&cg=3&no=675

    • 回复: @Ugetit
  29. KenR 说:

    这篇文章的主要主张是,犹太华尔街类型并不是许多人认为的俄罗斯革命的大金融家。 好吧,也许这是真的。 我承认这一点,但我不明白这与布尔什维克主义主要是犹太人项目的说法有何不同。

    • 同意: Robert Dolan
    • 回复: @Andrei
  30. obwandiyag 说:
    @Tom Verso

    You know those collections of stupid student essay mistakes? Like “play-dough” for “Plato”?

    Your little excursion is going in there, kit and kaboodle and kitchen sink. Laughter will abound.

  31. That same Anthony Sutton also published a book about Wall Street financing Hitler and the Nazis: 华尔街与希特勒的崛起.

  32. Mister. Parry I would agree with the main idea of ​​your article if there were not 2 aspects.
    1) that Bolshevik revolution is: “one of the most epochal political revolutions in world history”. I can hardly associate the epochal qualifier with a political movement that turned the planet into a slaughterhouse. Tens of millions of people killed completely unnecessarily, and I do not mean the tsarist aristocracy but ordinary people killed without trial, children, women and the elderly do not belive that they consider communism to be epoch-making.
    2) If we discussed in contradiction any other historical event, each one would come with evidence and arguments. An academic and rational discussion would follow and the one with the most evidence would win. The problem is that we are talking about Jews and there are laws that can put in jail those who tell the unpleasant truth to the Jews. If you, Mr. Parry you are telling a lie but it suits the Jews you will receive prizes and money and whoever tells an unpleasant truth to the Jews will go bankrupt and go to prison. How do you think we can determine the historical truth in these conditions? And only in the case of the Jews we have these legal restrictions.

    • 同意: mark green, Alfred
    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  33. “现在,这个由单一剥削教派组成的整个犹太世界,一种吸血民族,一种集体寄生虫,贪婪,自我组织,不仅跨越国界,甚至跨越所有政治意见分歧——这个世界目前,至少在很大程度上,一方面由马克思支配,另一方面由罗斯柴尔德家族支配。 我知道罗斯柴尔德家族,他们现在和应该成为的反动派,高度赞赏共产主义马克思的优点; 反过来,共产主义马克思被本能的吸引和尊重的钦佩所吸引,被罗斯柴尔德的金融天才所吸引。 犹太人的团结,那种在整个历史中一直保持的强大团结,将他们团结在一起。”

    ——米哈伊尔·巴枯宁,“1871 年 XNUMX 月给国际博洛尼亚成员的信”

    • 同意: Druid
    • 谢谢: Robjil
  34. GMC 说:
    @Malla

    Agree, Mein Kampf { sp } clearly shows the fear of the Jew Bolsheviks in Hitlers writings. I guess now, some one will come out and say that all Hitlers writings are fake – too. lol Yes, the Revolution was a bit complicated – just like the Bolshevik Revolution in the USA is – today. And that is how the Zionist Bastards, like it. When I read that Trotsky was a second hand figure in the Revolution – I knew this was going to be — ” controversial” to say the least. Spacibo M

    • 同意: Malla
  35. Brewer 说:

    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which itself had been forged in 1903 by Okhrana, the secret police of the Russian Empire, who disseminated the fabricated text to deflect growing discontent under the Tsarist regime against a scapegoat.

    Damn. That “Russia did it” thing has been around a long time.

    • 回复: @Dr. Krieger
  36. yuri 说:
    @Andrei

    Hey, check this video out. It’s real holocaust survivor’s talking about how incredibly well they were treated in Auschwitz. I’m not being sarcastic, these interviews were done by the Shoah Foundation. They talk of the beer in the cantina, the cinema, the plays, the orchestras and one Jewish gentlemen recalled how much fun he had playing soccer with the guards and he breaks down crying as he tells the interviewer that the Germans “Nazi’s” gave them as much food as they could even when they had little for themselves near the end of the war.


    视频链接

    • 谢谢: Zumbuddi
  37. Is this how you Jews and Shabbos goys are trying to discredit the facts? Sutton established quite a bit and you think your incoherent gibberish, blatant Talmudic sophistry, will work?…No. it won’t.

  38. cranc 说:

    Just read this article by Kerry Bolton (https://counter-currents.com/2013/10/wall-street-and-the-november-1917-bolshevik-revolution/).
    There is a lot that Max Parry doesn’t mention, such as: the opinions of Steed in the London Times, the movements of Mandell-House and W.B. Thompson, the Red Cross mission of the revolutionary period, The CFR report into the Bolshevist government, shiny articles in the NYT preferring the peace proposals of the Bolsheviks to those of the nationalists, the testimony of H.G.Wells and Samual Gompers, the Guaranty Trust’s (i.e. JP Morgan’s) relationship to the Soviet Bureau in NY…

    As a former student of religion, I regard Marxism as a civil religion, and as such its followers are prone to the same myopia as all religious followers. Perhaps this explains Max Parry’s article, which from the opening paragraph reads like a true faith polemic, even as it goes on to contradict many of its own points of argument. Contesting such firmly held opinions only induces a kind of doubling down, in my experience.

    Closing comments from the above mentioned article:

    Should the fact that international capital viewed the March and even the November Revolutions with optimism be seen as an anomaly of history? Oswald Spengler was one of the first historians to expose the connections between capital and revolution. In The Decline of the West he called socialism “capitalistic” because it does not aim to replace money-based values, “but to possess them.” H. G. Wells, it will be recalled, said something similar. Spengler stated of socialism that it is “nothing but a trusty henchman of Big Capital, which knows perfectly well how to make use of it.” He elaborated in a footnote, seeing the connections going back to antiquity:

    Herein lies the secret of why all radical (i.e. poor) parties necessarily become the tools of the money-powers, the Equites, the Bourse. Theoretically their enemy is capital, but practically they attack, not the Bourse, but Tradition on behalf of the Bourse. This is as true today as it was for the Gracchuan age, and in all countries . . .[54]

    It was the Equites, the big-money party, which made Tiberius Gracchu’s popular movement possible at all; and as soon as that part of the reforms that was advantageous to themselves had been successfully legalized, they withdrew and the movement collapsed.[55]

    From the Gracchuan Age to the Cromwellian and the French Revolutions, to Soros’ “color revolutions” of today, the Russian Revolutions were neither the first nor the last of political upheavals to serve the interests of Money Power in the name of “the people.”

    • 谢谢: nokangaroos
    • 回复: @Ugetit
    , @Ugetit
  39. The one place where the author goes overboard is in suggesting that Trotsky was prolonging the war. It was Nikolai Bukharin who advocated that that Russia should remain at war with Germany. Lenin wanted an immediate peace. Trotsky as the representative in negotiations carved out a compromise position between Lenin and Bukharin. He refused to sign an actual treaty (as Lenin wanted) and he refused to declare a revolutionary war on Germany (as Bukharin wanted). But the main culprit was Bukharin.

    It is perfectly plausible that Jacob Schiff may have given some little subsidies to Trotsky in New York. Anyone familiar with the record knows that Trotsky did not join the Bolsheviks until July 1917 and prior to then Trotsky and Lenin had had a bitter ideological feud going on between them. If Jacob Schiff had ever been interested in bringing Lenin to power (which he was not) then he certainly would never have given any aid to Trotsky in New York. Since Trotsky had no big party-machine behind him at the time when he was in New York, no one would have considered him a serious contender for political power. It’s quite likely that Schiff may have given Trotsky some funds just out of charity to a Jewish political exile without ever considering that that exile might one day join the Bolsheviks and play a major role in a revolution.

    This is also what would account for the Kerensky government’s willingness to allow Trotsky back into Russia. Since Trotsky was not an ally of Lenin’s in April 1917, there was no reason to think of him as such. If anything, the past record indicated that Trotsky and Lenin were likely to become major rivals and tear each other apart before they joined in an alliance.

    The whole issue there really shows how impossible it is for any conspiracy to anticipate everything in such a fast-moving situation as Russia in 1917. Lenin had built a party-apparatus with the organized capacity to seize and hold power even in the face of counter-revolutionary war by the Whites. None of the other parties on the Russian Left of that time had done this, although may not have been obvious at the time. But Lenin’s own party at the time was already developing bureaucratic inertia (already indicating how the CPUSSR would degenerate in later decades) and didn’t really want to act. Zinoviev and others like him mostly just wanted to secure positions in the new Provisional Government and didn’t care about making revolution.

    In this context Lenin found it necessary to bring in a dynamic outsider like Trotsky who was able to galvanize things into action. Meanwhile, Trotsky realized in July that he really had no choice of carrying off his desired revolution unless he gained access to Lenin’s party apparatus. Despite 15 years of back and forth ongoing hostility, Lenin and Trotsky out of nowhere declared themselves partners and buried their previous hostilities. This was what made the later revolution possible. No one on Wall Street or anywhere else could have predicted such a development. If Wall Street had been trying to conspire to bring Lenin to power in February 1917 then most likely Trotsky (Lenin’s longtime bitter critic) would have been locked away in New York and never returned to Russia. Lenin would then have been stuck arguing with Zinoviev et al in Russia and would never have been able to overthrow Kerensky.

  40. HeebHunter 说:
    @Andrei

    One day, Germans and Adolf Hitler just woke up and decided they hate every single kike irrationally, just like people all over the world did 109 times back in recorded history.

    I will bet ze Germans were up to no good in that venezuelan village too. Which is why the kikes were expelled also from a native south american community just this decade. Kek!

  41. HeebHunter 说:
    @Andrei

    You don’t want an open discussion

    Said the subhuman kikes and liberals putting people in prisons for ASKING to go to the holohoax sotes with ground penetrating radar. And putting grandmas into prison for questioning the HOLOHOAX.

    Said the subhumans shilling international anti gun groups.

    Said the kikes, golems and commies with all they have done.

    Fuck compromise. The only thing kikes, golems and liberals deserbe is to get their teeth caved in from a curb stomp.

    • 同意: Pop Warner
  42. @idealogus1

    I’m not going to go digging up for quotes but I believe Marx argued against communist revolution in undeveloped countries which don’t have a sizable industry and proletarian class. So according to classical Marxism, Russia was ripe for bourgeois style revolution and nothing more, and should have therefore remained at the February (Menshevik) Revolution stage and in the war. Clearly pushing the revolution further and into the October stage was in the interests of Germany which wanted Russia out of the war, and the Bolsheviks were ready to oblige with a separate peace treaty that hurt long-term Russian, and even Soviet, interests, instead of having Russia (or even the Soviet Union) present at the Versailles Treaty as winners of the war. Anyway, once Russia became and industrial power and developed a proletariat it reverted to formal democracy and liberal capitalism. And this “counterrevolution”, if it can even be so defined, seems to have been achieved more peacefully and with less loss of life than the revolution.

    • 回复: @Waitemata
  43. Crass 说:

    “Of the original incumbents in the first Soviet cabinet, Trotsky was the only minister of Jewish descent. However, this did not prevent the Tsarist White movement from spreading propaganda during the Russian Civil War about the predominance of “Jews” within the Bolsheviks. Apart from the racism of such conjecture, it also turns out to be factually incorrect as shown in statistics published by the Moscow-based Vedomosti newspaper:”

    “Apart from the racism of such conjecture”
    Is MAX PARRY aware that the word Racist was coined by the Jewish Bolshevik mass murderer, Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Aka Leon Trotsky.
    The term Anti-Semitism was originally invented in 1860 by a Jew named Moritz Steinschneider. Both phrases were invented by Jews and are used to silence, slander and shut down all debate.

    Quote from Vladimir Putin —
    普京在80月85日访问莫斯科的犹太博物馆和宽容中心时说:“我刚刚想到了一些事情:将这个图书馆国有化的决定是由第一届苏联政府做出的,其组成是13-XNUMX%的犹太人。”

    发表于 jewishjournal.com 19年2013月XNUMX日

    • 谢谢: mark green
  44. Anonymous[661]• 免责声明 说:

    Max Parry can join Anne Applebaum and become another darling apologist for Jewish crimes against humanity. Beat that dead horse long enough and he’ll even end up with a worthless Pulitzer.

    Thanks for the offer, Max, but I’ll take Solzhenitsyn any day.

    • 同意: GeneralRipper
  45. Ugetit 说:
    @cranc

    Excellent comment there, cranc!

    Spengler stated of socialism that it is “nothing but a trusty henchman of Big Capital, which knows perfectly well how to make use of it.”

    It should be pretty clear by now that Marxist version of communism, like other “liberating” movements, was nothing more than a front for the subjugation of the non-goy populations of the world under the guise of grassroots revolutions for “liberty.”

    So Spengler was close but not specific enough. He could have more accurately written that it was “nothing but a trusty henchman of Big 塔尔穆迪奇 Capital, which knows perfectly well how to make use of it.”

    And that form of Big Capital knew how to use it through 很多 of experience. So far only one comment mentioned the Rothschilds while the Rothschilds of the East, the Sassoons, have not been mentioned in either the article or the comments and that should tell us something.

    Russian Revolutions were neither the first nor the last of political upheavals to serve the interests of [Talmudic] Money Power in the name of “the people.”

    Amen to that.

    • 同意: RedpilledAF, GeneralRipper
    • 谢谢: ChuckOrloski
  46. At the end the author writes “keep searching.” Keep searching until you find out you’re wrong is what he means. The preachers in the pulpits do the same thing. Keep questioning yourself, keep wondering.
    Go home and pray about it. Eventually they wear you down. Unstableness of the masses is good for business and good for evil. It’s a trick played on us. It never ends.

    • 同意: noname27
  47. @Brewer

    I find it curious that the Protocols are always described as a forgery, not a fake.
    A forgery is usually correct, it’s just made by an unauthorized copier.

    • 回复: @noname27
  48. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站

    Very Anglo-American establishment like piece here at Unz. As for myths, consider the:

    – Exaggerated claims of foreign support for the Whites during the Russian Civil War. In actuality, the situation involved limited foreign support for the Whites, in conjunction with some foreign support in varying forms for the Reds.

    – Pogroms in Russia being exclusively Russian government inspired, as opposed to the overview that much of it was the result of local (away from the center) prejudices, in conjunction with the government not supporting such activity, on account of the mayhem it caused, in a way that made society less stable

    – The bogus image that before the revolution, Russia was an extremely backwards place, with the Bolshes being a positive force for socioeconomic advancement – as if Russia wasn’t on the verge of a non-Bolshevik advancement.

    • 回复: @Andrei
    , @Max Parry
    , @FB
  49. Crass 说:
    @Sue Dunham

    The 1848 Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, completely plagiarised an earlier book by the French Socialist Victor Considerant, which was written in 1843 in France and was entitled ‘Principles of Socialism: Manifesto of the Democracy of the Nineteenth Century’.

    Karl Marx was simply a Plagiarist, much like Albert Einstein who stole the Equation E = mc² from the Italian Olinto De Pretto, who published the E = mc² Equation in the scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903, Two years before Albert Einstein.

    • 谢谢: noname27, ForeverGone, Ugetit, Druid
    • 回复: @geokat62
  50. “Max Parry is an independent journalist and geopolitical analyst”

    ROTFLMAO!

  51. “Today it is estimated even by Jacob Schiff’s grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York society, that the old man sank about \$20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia.”

    — Cholly Knickerbocker, N.Y. American Journal, February 3 1949.

    Cholly Knickerbocker, pseudonym of a series of society and gossip columnists, especially those who wrote for the New York American and its successor, the New York Journal-American. The first journalist to write under the byline of Cholly Knickerbocker was John W. Keller, in a society column for the New York Recorder (published 1891–96).

    — Encyclopedia Britannica.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  52. But in the main point of the article Parry is correct money did not play any role in Russian revolution,

  53. Andrei 说:
    @KenR

    由于沙皇帝国公然反犹,犹太人活跃于每一次反沙皇运动,无论是共产主义、社会民主党、自由改良主义者还是无政府主义者。 例如,犹太同盟会支持孟什维克而不是布尔什维克。

    布尔什维克获胜不是因为他们比这些人更犹太人,而是因为他们比其他人更有远见,更激进。

    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF
    • 回复: @John Johnson
  54. @Dr. Krieger

    Off topic I know, but yes, you’re right – the same thing applies to the Pastoral Epistles in the Bible = 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus – 2 Peter is also a forgery.

  55. Mr. Parry says claims of disproportionate Jewish influence on the Bolsheviks is factually incorrect because the Moscow-based Vedomosti newspaper says so.

    The Vedomosti newspaper was founded circa 1999 by Dow Jones who publishes The Wall Street Journal, and Pearson plc who publishes the Financial Times, in conjunction with a Russian media company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedomosti

    Dow Jones, The Wall Street Journal, Pearson plc and the Financial Times are as Globalist as one could get.

    Vedomosti’s first editor was a Mr. Bershidsky who was born in Moscow to a Jewish family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Bershidsky

    Trusting what Vedomosti says about Jewish influence in the Russian revolution is just like using Chinese Communist Party statistics to prove that no labour camps operate within Chinese borders.

    Please Mr. Parry, leave the puerile propaganda to the mainstream media.

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 回复: @Max Parry
  56. Andrei 说:
    @Mikhail

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

    Look at that sidebar on the right, in the belligerents category. Look who was supporting the Bolsheviks and who was against it. The reason the West didn’t fight the communists more resolutely was because they just went through a World War.

    Pogroms may have been local, but they were tolerated by the central authority. Also antisemitic literature was allowed to be spread freely, while there was enormous state censorship in other regards.

    Russia had a life expectancy of 30 for decades before WW1 (the Bolsheviks doubled it by 1960). The US had better life expectancy and were better fed a century earlier.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041395/life-expectancy-russia-all-time/

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  57. Ron Unz 说:

    I might as well contribute my own perspective…

    Although the Sutton book does have lots of interesting material, I’d tend to agree that Sutton isn’t a very reliable scholar, and his analysis can’t be taken seriously for that reason. Indeed, his other two “Wall Street” books are even worse. But a vastly superior book covering the same ground by Richard Spence came out a few years ago, which I’d highly recommend. It has almost exactly the same title:

    As for the Bolshevik leadership being overwhelmingly Jewish, the evidence is simply incontrovertible, and anyone who disputes it simply makes himself look ridiculous. I discussed it in an article a couple of years ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/

    More recently, I further expanded on that topic in a series of lengthy comments:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/?showcomments#comment-3216958

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/?showcomments#comment-3217432

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/?showcomments#comment-3218060

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/?showcomments#comment-3221789

    同时,所有历史学家都非常清楚,布尔什维克的领导人绝大多数是犹太人,列宁被认为是他的接班人之一的五位革命者中有三位来自这一背景。 尽管只有大约4%的俄罗斯人口是犹太人,但几年前弗拉基米尔·普京(Vladimir Putin)表示: 犹太人大概占了早期苏联政府的80-85%,其估算值与的同期要求完全一致 温斯顿·丘吉尔, 伦敦时报 通信者 罗伯特·威尔顿美国军事情报。 最近的书籍 亚历山大索尔仁尼琴, 尤里·斯莱兹金(Yuri Slezkine)其他类 都画了一幅非常相似的图画。 在第二次世界大战之前,犹太人在共产党领导层中的任职人数仍然过多,尤其是在古拉格(Gulag)政府和可怕的NKVD的高层中占主导地位。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    For example, here’s a short passage from the personal memoirs of Henry Wickham Steed, a leading foreign correspondent and former Editor of the Times of London, then the world’s most authoritative newspaper:

    有效的国际金融利益正在发挥作用,有利于立即承认布尔什切夫主义者。 这些影响很大程度上是一月份的英美提议在和平会议开始时召集布尔什切夫派代表前往巴黎的提议的结果,但该提议在被转变为与普林西波的布尔什切夫主义者的会议的提议后失败了。 著名的美国犹太银行家雅各布·希夫(Jacob Schiff)先生渴望获得布尔什维克主义者的认可。

    …主要推动者是雅各布·希夫(Jacob Schiff),沃伯格(Warburg)和其他国际金融家,他们最重要的是希望加强犹太布尔什切夫主义者,以确保德国和犹太人对俄国的剥削。

    Denying that the Bolshevik leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish is just as foolish as denying that the Neocons were overwhelmingly Jewish

  58. Wally 说:
    @Andrei

    “反犹太”:犹太人不喜欢的任何思想或人

    Hitler did not start a war.
    There is no proof he ‘exterminated’ Slavs.

    The fact is that Jews were found to be loathsome by everyone, everywhere, every time, way before Christians.
    从历史上超过1,000个地方驱逐的犹太驱逐者/犹太人的完整列表: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12596
    Max Parry shown the door here:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=parry&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    推荐的:
    FDR [与苏联]密谋在欧洲发动第二次世界大战
    https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
    德国没有开始第二次世界大战,作者:保罗·克雷格·罗伯茨(Paul Craig Roberts):
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/germany-did-not-start-world-war-ii/

  59. Aside from George Santayana dictum about those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it, why are we interested in it unless it’s beneficial to us or is it a propaganda to obscure the true beneficiaries of the Bolshevik revolution.

  60. geokat62 说:
    @noname27

    ..: the old man sank about \$20,000,000 for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia.”

    \$20 million in 1917 is equivalent to ~\$450 million in today’s dollars.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @noname27
  61. Florin 说:

    >the first composition of the political bureau of the Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks) — 40% (3 out of 7)”.

    This last committee was most important and is listed last as 40% is a high number given that Jews were certainly well under 5% of the population.

    But it was probably 4 of 7 not 3. And not a single Russian was on that committee.

    And perhaps ALL of the murderers of the Tsar’s family were Jews.

    But ‘Jewish Bolshevism’ is just a “canard”.

    Parry likely thinks that the neoconservative movement was also not especially Jewish because Bush Cheney.

    叹。
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

    • 同意: Robert Dolan
  62. geokat62 说:

    俄罗斯革命:将真理与神话区分开

    The Russian Revolution: Perpetuating Myth and Burying Truth

  63. Hans 说:

    马克思是个骗子。 很高兴看到他此时觉得有必要在这个话题上撒谎。

    “The Bolshevik leaders, most of whom are Jews, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and are trying to start a worldwide revolution.”
    – David R. Francis, US ambassador to Russia, Jan 1918

    “I might list a hundred other revolutionary leaders and every one of them would be a Jew. Wherever you read of an assassination or of the explosion of a bomb you will notice in the newspaper dispatches that the man was a Jew…every deed of that kind is done by Jews” – William Eleroy Curtis, The National Geographic, “The Revolution in Russia,” Vol. 18, No. 5, (May, 1907) (p. 313)

    “无法解释通常如此渴望利用生活中的小事件的媒体如何能够对在俄罗斯发生的恐怖事件保持沉默......而且对于像俄罗斯共产主义这样庞大的世界组织,它应该无话可说. 这种沉默……受到各种神秘力量的青睐,这些力量长期以来一直致力于推翻基督教社会秩序”——教皇庇护十一世, 神的救赎者, 1937

    “From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” – Winston Churchill (图解《星期日先驱报》,8 年 1920 月 5 日,第 XNUMX 页)

    “There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.” – Winston Churchill (图解《星期日先驱报》,8 年 1920 月 5 日,第 XNUMX 页)

    “We have seen how completely the Bolsheviks have reduced Russia to absolute starvation…this awful catastrophe has been brought about by a gang of professional revolutionaries, mostly Jews” – Winston Churchill (西部公报; 英国萨默塞特; 30 年 1921 月 12 日,第 XNUMX 页)

    “You must understand that the Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. They tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without any remorse. The fact that most of the world is ignorant or uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of its perpetrators.” – Alexander Solzhenitsyn

    “Anyone who doesn’t know that Bolshevism is Jewish, must be a man who is taken in by our deplorable press.” – Hilaire Belloc, G. K.’s Weekly, February 4, 1937

    • 谢谢: Miro23, utu, HeebHunter
    • 回复: @The_seventh_shape
    , @Miro23
  64. @ForeverGone

    So you’re attacking the source instead of disproving the statistics? A stopped clock strikes the right time twice per day.

    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF, Druid
    • 回复: @ForeverGone
    , @anon
    , @Druid
  65. Ugetit 说:
    @Adûnâi

    Can anyone explain to me why Communism is bad?

    As a front for big money to impose its will on the world, Communism (upper case “C”) is “bad” from the point of view of those of us proles and peasants it’s “supposed” to liberate. It’s bad because it’s a bloody, hideous, fraud and we who are suckered by it have been, are, and shall continue, paying the price as long as it can be imposed on us if not longer. Additionally it, like “capitalism,” tends to concentrate wealth and power into the hands of ever fewer and more vicious thugs who live in opulence and decadence at our expense. It’s a tool of the malignant strains of capitalists.

    Now, having said that, communism (with a lower case “c”), as well as capitalism, can be considered either good or bad depending on many factors. Both are just tools and both can be used for either good or evil.

    That should answer your question, but in my experience it won’t. C’est la vie.

    • 同意: GeneralRipper, Hibernian
  66. M, Parry should read Alexandre Soljenitsine book : two hundred years together, That would help to revise his article.

    • 回复: @Druid
    , @Alfred
    , @soll
  67. @yuri

    Hi @yuri, can you please post a link to this video!?!? Some way I can download it? Thanks!

    • 回复: @geokat62
  68. Ugetit 说:
    @cranc

    Thanks for the link. It is an excellent article and one with substance. It’s a good antidote to the lightweight drivel that constitutes this article.

    As an apologist for our rulers, the author ought to be promoted well out of his current position or whatever they do with used up tissue. Laughable.

  69. FB 说: • 您的网站

    Oh well, so much for the ‘Judeo-Bolshevik’ Conspiracy promoted by Ron Unz. 😂

  70. Ugetit 说:
    @geokat62

    谢谢。

    A search for “Olinto De Pretto” will turn up even more.

    Einstein, like Marx and Freud along with many of the great prize “winners,” were frauds and usurpers who got the press. They deserve now to get ridicule and the boot.

  71. @Ron Unz

    I am curious as to why you consider Sutton an unreliable scholar? What is the issue/s with his research?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  72. Ron Unz 说:
    @geokat62

    \$20 million in 1917 is equivalent to ~\$450 million in today’s dollars.

    Not really. Different sorts of items have dramatically shifted their cost-structure over the last 100 years, but it seems likely that the bulk of the \$20 million was spent on stipends to revolutionary activists and on bribes. Therefore, the best comparison is probably with the typical daily wages of that era, which were roughly 100x lower than today. So \$20 million in 1917 would probably correspond with \$2 billion in current dollars.

    That same 100-to-1 ratio is also used by Sean McMeekin in his excellent recent book, The Russian Revolution.

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 谢谢: geokat62
    • 回复: @FB
  73. anonymous[939]• 免责声明 说:

    infamous hoax 锡安长老的议定书

    So hows about Leon Uris’s 出埃及记: hoax or historical fiction / propaganda?

  74. cranc 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Denying that the Bolshevik leadership was overwhelmingly Jewish is just as foolish as denying that the Neocons were overwhelmingly Jewish

    I must have read a few hundred articles over the years by anti-war Leftwingers who have pointed out the ‘Neocon movement’ being the driver of US foreign policies in the 21st century. They don’t so much 否认 the Jewish origins and leadership of that movement, as just ignore it, stay silent about it and/or censor mention of it.
    Really, they are intellectual cowards.

  75. @Mikhail

    The Anglo-American establishment is pro-Soviet?

    • 回复: @GeeBee
    , @Ugetit
    , @Mikhail
  76. @brabantian

    Spot on, Brabantian! Swedes who had not lost their ability to make use of their grey cells know, of course, that this Robert Aschberg person is a piece of s…. Some know also that his ancestors were involved in the “Russian revolution”. As you correctly pointed out, Mr Aschberg is untouchable. Only a handful ethnic Swedes would nowadays dare to question any prominent member of the unmentionable tribe of eternal sufferers.

  77. Just think, one of these days we’ll learn that Jews did not censor a sitting president of the United States.

  78. @Hans

    你能告诉我们索尔仁尼琴名言的来源吗? 谢谢。 搜索中很少出现,有些人质疑其有效性。

    • 回复: @Hans
    , @Alfred
  79. Anonymous[208]• 免责声明 说:
    @Andrei

    Hitler started a war

    LOL

  80. @yuri

    是的,请在它从互联网上消失之前给我们一个链接。

    • 回复: @Alfred
  81. Trinity 说:

    Good to see an article about The Jewish Revolution in Russia instead of those ignorant comparisons to the American Civil War. I have been saying this all along, what is going on now is more in line with The Jewish Revolution in Russia than the American Civil War. Cue: Right Place Wrong Time by Dr. John

  82. Andrei 说:
    @Ron Unz

    True about neocons, but for Bolsheviks it’s a more difficult argument because first of all it’s difficult to establish objectively what constitutes leadership. What’s quite obvious is that Jews lost a lot of their power gradually after the revolution.

    And here is where something becomes obvious: in time, socialist countries veer toward nationalism and Jews gradually lose power, whereas in capitalist societies, the opposite is true. Gentiles simply can’t compete with the Jewish talent for making money as well as their forming strong ethnic bonds. So in a capitalist society, Jews will just inevitably accumulate more and more power and become more difficult to dislodge from the top.

    • 回复: @noname27
    , @Levtraro
  83. anonymous[400]• 免责声明 说:
    @Renics Nykoros

    It would be helpful if people didn’t just get on here and say something is bad or mistaken but would state why or what. Not necessarily a whole review but give examples of what they contend is wrong.

    • 同意: FB
  84. @Max Parry

    A stopped clock doesn’t strike at all. Albeit, it does actually tell the correct time twice a day. And doing the correct thing twice a day is a lot more than can be said for a not very witty troll like you. And you are doubly sad in using someone else’s name as a handle.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  85. Overuse of words Bolshevik and Menshevik is harmfully misleading. Both Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were Russian Communists. Only difference was that Bolsheviks were for nationalization of the land while Mensheviks wanted the land divided among among s peasants.
    Devilization of word Bolshevik was initiated on this continent by Ukraine farmers who emigrated here.
    Please notice that Ukraine’s farmers did not hated Communists, they hated Bolsheviks.
    Bolshevik simply means member of majority, while Menshevik means member of minority.
    There simply was election in Communist party congress when already Communists led by Lenin were in power on the subject of nationalization of the land. The term Bolshevik and Menshevik did not exist before.
    ……………………………………………………..
    By the way, it turned out that Mensheviks were right, and Bolsheviks were wrong.
    How many times I do have to explain this subject to you morons.
    PS
    I do not know the date of the party congress but Communist were already in power in Russia.

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  86. Trinity 说:

    A table made up in 1918 by Robert Wilton correspondent of the London Times in Russia showed that there were 384 commissars. It listed 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinese, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the 3oo Jews, 264 had come from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.

    “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type….” Captain Schuyler, American army intelligence officer in Russia during the revolution.

    No need to quote Winston “I Change My Tune Every Time I Open My Mouth” Cuckhill. I am sure MOST people on this site have read that quote where Cuckhill describes the “Russian Revolution” as a movement led by “international” and “atheist Jews.”

    To even keep calling this event in history, “The Russian Revolution” is ridiculous.

    • 同意: GeeBee, Carroll Price
  87. @geokat62

    I would suggest that 20 million in 1917 is a lot more than 450 million in today’s money. At least a \$ billion.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  88. waw 说:

    This is the greatest collection of garbage that I have read in my 73 years. Read about Kamenev, Zioniev, Trotsky, Sverdlov, Yeshov, Kaganovich, Uritsky, Dzernzhinsky, and Yagoda, just to name a few.

    • 回复: @Trinity
  89. Ron Unz 说:
    @RedpilledAF

    I am curious as to why you consider Sutton an unreliable scholar? What is the issue/s with his research?

    Okay, here’s a lengthy excerpt from one of the several comments I’d linked upthread:

    与此同时,在他的主要文本中,萨顿似乎 *异常* 尽管他提到与布尔什维克合作的许多关键人物显然是犹太人,但对注意到任何犹太人的参与感到不安。

    Sutton seems to have been a very marginal rightwing academic, focused heavily on Russia issues during the 1970s and 1980s. During that period, Russian/Soviet studies was overwhelmingly dominated by Russian-Jewish academics, notably the towering figures of Adam Ulam and Richard Pipes, and this probably played a major role in cleansing all the standard texts of the overwhelmingly Jewish role in the Bolshevik Revolution, which everyone had previously known and accepted during the first half of the 20th century. Sutton was probably desperately trying to survive in that academic environment.

    As it happens, his Appendix 2 devotes a half-dozen pages to “debunking” the “Jewish-conspiracy Theory of the Bolshevik Revolution,” which Sutton states has an “extensive literature in Engish, French, and German,” especially focused upon Jacob Schiff. He reports Winston Churchill’s explicit claims and those of Henry Wickham Steed, and reports the “superficially damning collection of documents on the Jewish conspiracy” in the US State Department archive, quite a number of which he summarizes. He apparently wasn’t aware that the files of British and American Intelligence had very similar reports at the same time.

    Sutton admits that all these leading contemporary sources said that the Bolshevik Revolution was organized by the Jews, and many of them explicitly say Schiff funded it. But he argues that there is no concrete evidence to this effect, rendering it an “unsubstantiated hypothesis.”

    He also claims that most of the leading Bolsheviks were not Jewish, which demolishes the credibility of all these contemporary sources who claim that they were, stating that only about 20% of the Bolsheviks were Jewish. But this merely annihilates Sutton’s own credibility, since everyone knows that the overwhelming majority of the early Bolshevik leadership was indeed Jewish, with Putin putting the figure at 80-85%.

    事实上,几乎所有同时代的消息来源都将列宁列为非犹太布尔什维克领导人之一,但我们最近发现他实际上是部分犹太人。

    Sutton argues that the almost universal belief that the Bolshevik Revolution was very heavily Jewish was probably a “Jewish-conspiracy myth” concocted to hide the fact that JP Morgan and the American WASP elites were actually behind the Bolshevik Revolution. Frankly, I’d argue that the converse is a probably a pretty good description of Sutton’s very silly book.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/?showcomments#comment-3221789

    I sometimes think that 95% or maybe 99% of the people who cite a book have never actually bothered to read it…

    • 同意: noname27
    • 回复: @RedpilledAF
    , @Wizard of Oz
  90. @Zarathustra

    The problem was that Marks in his all stupid blabbing Das Kapital did not include the word Peasant and ownership of the land. So here Lenin was on his own. Lenin could decide it on his own but he declined that why he called on the party congress.

  91. Hans 说:
    @The_seventh_shape

    Wish I could. It may be from David Duke who I believe met him at some point. The content conforms with Pius XI’s assessment of the media’s role in covering up the Bolshevik slaughter in Russia. It could be from 20o Years Together, the great man’s last book, the one that (((can’t be published))) in English.

    I haven’t printed and read it yet – http://www.renegadetribune.com/finally-a-complete-english-version-of-solzhenitsyns-200-years-together/

    But I have read most of the other books on the topic (Wilton, Reed, newspaper archives on Schiff’s role, etc, etc). LOL

  92. Curmudgeon 说:
    @Wyatt

    He is partly correct. Marx himself was a Rothschild agent sent to discredit socialism’s growing popularity. His leading socialist contemporaries disavowed his twisted centralist version as not being socialism. In that sense, from Marx, to Trotsky to Lenin and beyond, all “discredited” socialism.

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  93. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Mikhail

    The bogus image that before the revolution, Russia was an extremely backwards place, with the Bolshes being a positive force for socioeconomic advancement – as if Russia wasn’t on the verge of a non-Bolshevik advancement.

    Yeah, that’s pretty hilarious.

    Tsarist Russia’s ordinary folk consisted mainly of landless peasants that were called ‘Krestyani’ which transliterates as ‘Christians.’

    They had ZERO education provided by the state, and were mostly illiterate. Tolstoy, himself an aristocrat, made it his life’s work to provide education to the serf communities on his estates.

    After the Revolution, the progress was remarkable. Russia went from being one of the most backward countries, to having an education system that was the envy of the world and led to the Soviet Union leading major scientific and technical breakthroughs like space flight, nuclear energy and much more. Everything Russia has today comes mostly from the Soviet legacy of the higher education infrastructure that it has inherited, although much diminished as the Oligarchy has taken precedence since 1991.

    Moscow State University Main Building, built during the Stalin era, and the tallest building in Europe until 1990.

    Similar advances in health care, housing and good jobs in a rapidly industrializing economy gave the people a standard of living that ordinary Russians had never enjoyed before. People forget now that at the time of Khruschev, the US was very worried that it would be left behind by the industrial and scientific might of the Soviet Union. Thus, in the postwar years, the US reigned in its own Oligarchy to a considerable extent, resulting in the Golden Age of prosperity for ordinary folks, as we see here on the historical chart of the nation’s wealth share by the 0.1 percent.

    This golden age was due mostly to the establishment’s fear of being left behind by the USSR. Of course as soon as the threat of the alternative socialist model disappeared, the Oligarchy’s wealth began rocketing skyward in the last 30 years. [Maybe the Unz commentariat doesn’t notice these things, seeing as they are cheering lustily for their billionaire masters!]

    Today it is socialist China that is eclipsing the US Oligarchy, where now a mere handful of the richest individuals own one third of the nation’s wealth. Hence the hand-wringing about a so-called ‘reset’ which seeks to find a way of preventing the collapse of the US Ponzi Economy. We shall see if it will work, or if Humpty Dumpty will have that great fall after all.

    • 不同意: Mikhail
    • 巨魔: Schuetze
  94. @Andrei

    Gentiles simply can’t compete with the Jewish talent for making money as well as their forming strong ethnic bonds.

    Only criminals can be successful making money in a criminal money system – no conscience is required. Moreover, a criminal money system fits the Jewish psyche and nature perfectly, and gives them a huge advantage over non-jews who, in the main, do have a conscience.

    As for Jewish strong ethnic bonds, well that’s been common knowledge since time began.

    “犹太人属于一种黑暗和排斥的力量,人们知道这个集团有多少,他们如何团结在一起,以及通过工会行使什么权力。 他们是一个流氓和欺骗者的国家。”

    –马库斯·图利乌斯·西塞罗(Marcus Tullius Cicero)–公元前106年–公元前43年,罗马帝国西里西亚省的省长。

    • 谢谢: Druid
  95. @Ron Unz

    Ok, I had a feeling that was what the issue was regarding Sutton. I agree, but, I think that because of what the issue was/is at heart, he was dancing around it and doing certain mental gymnastics to avoid being casted out at the time—as mentioned above. Now, my only problem is that while he did omit much of the important stuff, he brought to light so much of the important stuff as well, therefore, should he then be considered unreliable? I can use Sutton and not worry of the typical attacks of “anti-Semite” and such. I always considered him as reliable but not complete, and for obvious reasons.

    For many people who are unaware of what the world is like his work is a great entry point. I am reentering “the Academy” after twenty years absence and while it was bad twenty years ago, it is horrible today. I have to dance around and pretend things don’t exist constantly and so I sympathize with Sutton and similar fellow researchers. Also, yes, I absolutely agree that most people don’t read what they cite or even when they claim to have read a book, actually have read more than some excerpts and the introduction/conclusion.

    I am not advocating Sutton’s position in writing regarding the Jewish question and Bolshevism, however, I feel we can consider him a reliable starting point and good reference. I think I agree with you but for the exception of considering him unreliable I suppose.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @utu
  96. GeeBee 说:
    @Max Parry

    Well it certainly was under FDR…

    • 同意: Hibernian
  97. Ron Unz 说:
    @RedpilledAF

    I am not advocating Sutton’s position in writing regarding the Jewish question and Bolshevism, however, I feel we can consider him a reliable starting point and good reference. I think I agree with you but for the exception of considering him unreliable I suppose.

    In all fairness, I should mention that Prof. Richard Spence dedicates his own 2017 book to Sutton, and in the Introduction describes the “immense debt of gratitude” he owes to Sutton’s “groundbreaking” research.

    However, since Spence’s book is vastly superior to Sutton’s, suffers from none of the huge flaws, and is also so much more current, I’d strongly suggest that you read Spence and not even bother with Sutton.

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
    • 回复: @RedpilledAF
  98. Curmudgeon 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Interesting, but were the All-lies really interested in ending a peasants revolt? It wasn’t the peasantry in the streets leading the revolution. Bismarck had worked hard to gain good relations with Russia. France and Britain worked hard to pry Russia away from that. Churchill was always a Zionist shill. His so-called opposition to communism played second fiddle his obsession with killing Germans. If communists killed Germans, that was okay.
    WWI (and WWII) was about physically smashing Germany and its manufacturing capability, which was overtaking Britain. Russia surrendering put an end to a two front war for Germany, and effectively putting an end to invasion of Germany. Stopping the Bolsheviks was an excuse, but not the reason. Had there been an invasion of Germany, the treachery of Versailles would have been unnecessary. Instead a post war starvation of Germany à la Morgenthau would have continued indefinitely.

    • 同意: GeeBee
    • 回复: @Majority of One
  99. @Ron Unz

    Yes, I am ordering it (Spence’s book). It has been years since I read Sutton’s Wall Street trilogy and I have still not read his Technology transfer series. I may have to reread and read those this summer before diving into Spence. I want to compare and contrast before removing Sutton. Thank you.

    • 回复: @Ugetit
  100. Soviet Union leadership was over 80% jewish despite the jews being approximately 1% of the Russian population.

    [更多]

    NAME NATIONALITY
    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Lourie (Larine) Jew
    Ouritski Jew
    Volodarski Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Ulyanov (Lenin) Jew
    Krylenko Russian
    Lounatcharski Russian

    The Council of the People’s Commissars:

    MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY
    President Ulyanov (Lenin) Jew
    Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
    Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
    Agriculture Protian Armenian
    Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
    Food Schlichter Jew
    Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    State Control Lander Jew
    State Lands Kauffman Jew
    Works V. Schmidt Jew
    Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
    Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
    Religions Spitzberg Jew
    Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Hygiene Anvelt Jew
    Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
    Press Volodarski Jew
    Elections Ouritski Jew
    Justice I. Steinberg Jew
    Refugees Fenigstein Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
    Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

    The Central Executive Committee:

    NAME NATIONALITY
    Sverdlov (president) Jew
    Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
    Bruno Lett
    Babtchinski Jew
    Bukharin Russian
    Weinberg Jew
    Gailiss Jew
    Ganzburg Jew
    Danichevski Jew
    Starck German
    Sachs Jew
    Scheinmann Jew
    Erdling Jew
    Landauer Jew
    Linder Jew
    Wolach Czech
    Dimanstein Jew
    Encukidze Georgian
    Ermann Jew
    Joffe Jew
    Karkline Jew
    Knigissen Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Krylenko Russian
    KrassikofSachs Jew
    Kaprik Jew
    Kaoul Lett
    Ulyanov (lenin) Jew
    Latsis Jew
    Lander Jew
    Lounatcharski Russian
    Peterson Lett
    Peters Lett
    Roudzoutas Jew
    Rosine Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Stoutchka Lett
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Sosnovski Jew
    Skrytnik Jew
    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Teodorovitch Jew
    Terian Armenian
    Ouritski Jew
    Telechkine Russian
    Feldmann Jew
    Froumkine Jew
    Souriupa Ukranian
    Tchavtchevadze Georgian
    Scheikmann Jew
    Rosental Jew
    Achkinazi Imeretian
    Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
    Rose Jew
    Sobelson (Radek) Jew
    Sclichter Jew
    Schikolini Jew
    Chklianski Jew
    Levine (Pravdine) Jew

    The Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:

    NAME NATIONALITY
    Dzerjinski (president) Pole
    Peters (vice-president) Lett
    Chklovski Jew
    Kheifiss Jew
    Zeistine Jew
    Razmirovitch Jew
    Kronberg Jew
    Khaikina Jewess
    Karlson Lett
    Schaumann Jew
    Leontovitch Jew
    Jacob Goldine Jew
    Glaperstein Jew
    Kniggisen Jew
    Latzis Lett
    Schillenkuss Jew
    Janson Lett
    Rivkine Jew
    Antonof Russian
    Delafabre Jew
    Tsitkine Jew
    Roskirovitch Jew
    G. Sverdlof Jew
    Biesenski Jew
    Blioumkine Jew
    Alexandrevitch Russian
    I. Model Jew
    Routenberg Jew
    Pines Jew
    Sachs Jew
    Daybol Lett
    Saissoune Armenian
    Deylkenen Lett
    Liebert Jew
    Vogel German
    Zakiss Lett

    • 谢谢: Alfred
  101. I suppose Mr. Parry will next claim that the Germans didn’t put Lenin on a sealed train and transport him to the Finland Station. It must have been ET’s.

    Almost all the information Mr. Parry presents, which he claims debunk “false” information about the Russian Revolution, turn out on closer examination to support that which Mr. Parry is attempting to debunk. I’m glad I skimmed this. It supports much of which I was already pretty sure, although that was clearly not the author’s intention.

  102. Miro23 说:
    @Hans

    Thanks for the references. There was also a Bolshevik coup in the US (Seattle) at about the same time – run by the IWW (International Workers of the World).

    Ole Hanson, Mayor of Seattle (March 1918 – August 1919) had to deal with it, and wrote about the experience in his book “Americanism versus Bolshevism” Doubleday, Page & Co. 1920.

    For what it’s worth, I compared it to David R. Francis’ “Russia from the American Embassy, April 1916 – November 1921”. Francis was another ex US mayor (St. Louis and Governor of Missouri) and made some notes:

    – The Bolsheviks successfully subverted the loyalty of the 125.000 soldiers in St Petersburg with (false) promises of private land, farms, stopping the war, avoiding the return of landowners etc. In contrast, the I.W.W. activists had no success getting American soldiers on board despite copying the name of the Russian Bolshevik commune, “The Soldiers, Sailors and Workingmen’s Council”. The U.S. military was well looked after and loyal in contrast to the poor conditions and politicization of the Czarist troops who were in the process of losing WWI.

    – The Bolsheviks unilaterally issued General Order Nº1 producing chaos in the army and weakening a force that could be used against them. Soldiers were instructed to disarm their officers, remove their insignia and elect new leaders from the ranks. The I.W.W. never made a call like this since they saw that they had no support in the military.

    – As leader of the internationally accepted Provisional Government, Kerensky could have arrested Lenin and Trotsky on the proclamation the death penalty for all people with property(on refusal to hand it over). In the event he did nothing and his government collapsed. In Seattle it was a great chagrin to Hanson that I.W.W. activists were not deported (or even tried ) for their crimes after the defeat of their 1919 General Strike. He suggests that they were receiving some higher level political protection.

    – Francis knew Kerensky well and saw him as more of an orator than a statesman (i.e. ineffectual), whereas Hanson was an effective administrator, active in preparing for the General Strike. On the second day he published a “Proclamation to the People of Seattle” guaranteeing them absolute protection, calling on every person to show their Americanism and guaranteeing the provision of water, electricity, gas, food, transportation and all other necessities. He was able to do this with detailed preparation and a personal call for loyalty to the workers, troops and police involved. Kerensky was never able to guarantee law and order and basic services.

    – The Bolsheviks took full advantage of a stupid argument between Kerensky and Korniloff (the Commander in Chief of the Russian forces) whereby Korniloff said that he would march on St Petersburg (which he never did) and Kerensky foolishly armed the “Soldiers, Sailors and Workingmen’s council” (Bolsheviks) to defend the city. Of course they used the arms against Kerensky’s own provisional government. In contrast, the I.W.W. never had access to weapons – so were unable to quickly murder thousands of their opponents as their Bolshevik brothers did in St Petersburg.

    – Both the Russian Bolsheviks and the I.W.W. made vacant promises of a better future but the Russian Bolsheviks carefully placed the future well ahead. The I.W.W. foolishly promised to provide Seattle strikers with food and communal services (i.e. they were to become the government) and failed. The strikers arrived for their promised communist breakfast only to get (hours late) a pile of bread dumped on the floor followed by some cold stew more hours later. The reaction was, “Do they think we are hogs?”

    – Both the Russian Bolsheviks and I.W.W. were activist minorities trying to grab dictatorial power. Francis and Hanson both approved of the largely peaceful first Russian revolution that removed the Czarist autocracy and was heading for democracy and individual rights through a Constitutional Assembly. But they were both shocked when the Bolshevik faction (seeing that they were heading for a minority defeat), staged an armed coup, cleared the chamber and established their violent dictatorship. The I.W.W. leaders on seeing the failure of their strike were not in the position to launch an armed attack on their opponents.

    – The leadership of the Russian Bolsheviks was more homogeneous than that of the I.W.W. As Francis said in a 1918 dispatch, “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.” This trend continued when they gained power and turned Russia into a human abattoir in the 1920’s and 30’s (15 million people on the best estimate of Robert Conquest). The mass murder was centered around the N.K.V.D. headed by Genrikh Yagoda and Yakov Agranov( both Jewish), and the Gulag camps also all headed by Jews (Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel). The I.W.W. leadership was more ethnically and socially diverse and didn’t show the same unity of purpose.

    – The I.W.W. threatened Hanson if he didn’t remove the American flag from his car (which he didn’t) and insisted that buildings take down the stars and stripes and fly the red flag. The citizens of Seattle refused to give in to the Bolsheviks and remained faithful to their American Constitution.

    • 谢谢: Majority of One, utu
    • 回复: @Jus' Sayin'...
    , @Hans
  103. Amy 说:

    嘿,你们/我们都是“右翼圈子”。 告诉你该怎么做。 首先,打印文章。 然后,下一次登基之旅,将印刷品用于最佳可持续利用。

    需要一点创新。 便便便便。 每次都有效。 狙击手的雨刷。

  104. Ugetit 说:
    @Max Parry

    The Anglo-American establishment is pro-Soviet?

    The Soviet that we’re talking about here no longer exists, so “is” doesn’t work.

    However, significant parts of the Anglo-American establishment pro-Soviet at one time, until they flip-flopped and decided that it was the enemy. Read about Armand Hammer, for one, to see how things change.

    I checked some of your other articles and have concluded that you have a pretty good take on a lot of things despite the fact that you’re way out of your element here. It seems you’d be well advised to stick to writing what you know about or that which you’ve researched very thoroughly, although publishing foolishness like the current article does offer some benefits to illuminating bits of truth.

  105. Ugetit 说:
    @RedpilledAF

    I looked up Spence and found that he’s a lecturer at “The Great Courses.” It’s my opinion that they tend to represent the current establishment line and once, when I wrote a respectful and reasonable letter of protest to that effect, I never had the courtesy of a reply so I’ve been boycotting them ever since. That was probably 2 decades or more ago but they still send me their ads and solicitations.

    Anyway, that may or may not reflect well on what he writes. I’ll get his book and then decide.

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
  106. Cyrano 说:

    似乎很多人认为华尔街和犹太人资助十月革命证明他们对俄罗斯意味着伤害。 此外,布尔什维克领导层中有很多犹太人的事实显然是这一点的“证明”。 它不能证明任何事情。 犹太人是聪明人,他们总是希望成为精英的一员——共产主义者或资本主义者——这没有任何区别。 在社会秩序的底层打滚是没有好处的。

    现在让我们来看看为什么犹太人和华尔街会为十月革命提供资金,并期望它会伤害俄罗斯。

    据我高中的马克思主义老师说,显然马克思相信共产主义将首先发生在西方最发达的资本主义国家。 完全符合逻辑。 按照同样的逻辑,资本主义首先出现在西方最发达的封建国家,而不是一些落后的第三世界国家。

    俄罗斯只是抢了先,因为它绝不是最发达的资本主义国家。 当他们转向“共产主义”——真正的社会主义时,他们几乎没有摆脱封建主义。 我能理解为什么他们会期望“共产主义”对俄罗斯造成伤害的唯一逻辑——正是因为这一点——因为他们可能认为俄罗斯还没有为共产主义做好准备,它会在那里失败,它将拯救资本主义西方通过表明共产主义不是道路。

    那讲得通。 而事实并非如此。 “共产主义”并没有摧毁俄罗斯。 它拯救了他们,让他们实现了巨大的技术和社会飞跃,其影响持续到今天。

    如果马克思的预期实现了,如果“共产主义”首先出现在最发达的资本主义国家,并且没有人在每一步都破坏它,那将会是一个有趣的场景。 那么它会在世界范围内取得成功吗? 谁知道。 这绝对是一种与俄罗斯存在的“共产主义”不同的版本。

    • 巨魔: Hibernian, Alfred
    • 回复: @Jus' Sayin'...
  107. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrei

    Germans gave support for the Bolshes as did Pilsudski and some others in the West in one form or the other. Lloyd George successfully limited Brit support for the Whites:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    You cherry pick just a few years of pre-Soviet Russia, when a vast epidemic affected that country. More accurate to have a well founded graph over the decades with a comparison to other countries.

    The Jews of the Russian Empire had it better than Blacks in the US during the same period. This observation doesn’t deny the violence and discrimination against the Jews and the culpability of the Russian government in a number of instances.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/09/21/getting-russia-wrong-again/

  108. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Max Parry

    I’m referring to how your article makes the cut at venues like RFE / RL大西洋.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  109. Trinity 说:

    Admittedly, I only skimmed the article and found it to be mostly horseshit. I find it interesting that so-called “anti-Semitism” was an actual crime in the former Soviet Union.

    An excerpt from My Awakening by David Duke : The Jewish Voice in January, 1942, stated: “The Jewish people will never forget that the Soviet Union was the first country — and as yet the only country in the world– in which anti-Semitism is a crime.” The Congress Bulletin.

    Off topic but I notice when people become upset that their accent really comes out. Saw Nervous Nancy condemn that dude with the Auschwitz T-shirt and her Bawlmer accent became really prominent. Nancy, don’t show those people out in San FranShitco that you are just a bumpkin from Bawlmer. Not a good look, darling. Interestingly when Nancy’s daddy was a mayor of “The Land Of Pleasant Living” one of Baltimore’s nicknames besides “Charm City” was Mob Town. Speaking of accents. How many years has Arnold Schwartzennagger lived in America? Arnold still talks like he stepped off the boat yesterday. Lest we forget (((Joe Weider))) helped Arnold get his start in America. Some say Weider was a homosexual, who knows or who cares. Speaking of which I heard on the car radio today that (((Phil Spector))) died. I placed my order at Wendy’s switched on some of one of my favorite tunes, “Feeling Like Making Love” by Bad Company, and let out a big fart.

  110. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Curmudgeon

    Marx and Lenin had definite anti-Russian leaning slants.

  111. Ahhh. The purity of Parry’s prognostications. Pure Pilpul.

    • 回复: @RedpilledAF
  112. @Miro23

    The citizens of Seattle refused to give in to the Bolsheviks and remained faithful to their American Constitution.

    Clearly there has been a serious decline in the character of Seattle’s citizenry since then.

  113. Rios59 说:

    It’s hard to take this seriously when Max falsely states Anthony Sutton claimed Jacob Schiff financed the Bolsheviks. Sutton instead argues against this claim in an afterward while pointing the blame at GP Morgan agents, most notably William Boyce Thompson and Max May.

  114. @Cyrano

    “共产主义”并没有摧毁俄罗斯。 它拯救了他们,让他们实现了巨大的技术和社会飞跃,其影响一直持续到今天。

    BS. Prior to the Bolshevik Revolution Russia had an extraordinarily high rate of growth in GDP. The country was advancing rapidly, agriculturally and industrially. The country’s railways were expanding at a rapid pace.

    The military situation at the start of WW I confirms this. The Russian Army was equipped with advanced military gear, e.g. the marvelous Moisin-Nagant rifle, still favored by many hunters today and an advanced air fleet. This army managed to hold the German and Austrian forces in check for a significant period, despite the 1914 German army’s reputation as being the best and most modern in the world at that time.

    辛亥革命后,进步结束。 该国陷入经济泥潭。 毁灭性的饥荒广泛而持久。 直到共产党政府和苏联消失后,革命前的经济增长率才重新开始。 +共产主义使俄罗斯的经济进步倒退了半个多世纪。 共产主义的深刻经济失败被使其成为主要核大国的军事集结所掩盖,但这只是通过令人惊讶的高水平隐性通货膨胀实现的,而这种通货膨胀只有在苏联解体后才完全显现出来。

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  115. @Curmudgeon

    Bismark had set up the “Drei Kaiser’s Bund” (3 Kaiser’s League) which consisted of Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Tsarist Russia!!! This combination ensured peace in Europe. No alliance could overthrow such a compact of power. But stealth and conniving succeeded in doing so. This scheme was carefully developed by Benjamin Disraeli, then the Rothschild minion Prime Minister of the British Empire. The policy was Caessar’s classic “divide and conquer”.

    After the death of Alexander II by a Khazarian assassin, the Romanov Dynasty produced Nicholas II, who became vulnerable to sweet-talking by the Rothschild dominated Second Republic of France. During roughly the same time-frame, Wilhelm II became Kaiser of a united Germany. Having a withered arm and other physical problems made him emotionally vulnerable and he rapidly veered into a hyper-nationalistic extended egotism. He dumped the wisest man in German political affairs: Otto von Bismarck. Goaded by his Rothschild-connected financiers, he gradually became more and more imperialistic, pissing off British popular sentiment by massively increasing his naval forces—the one sure thing to upset “Brittania Rule the Waves”.

    Bismarck’s departure soon led to a conjoint Anglo-Franco political “come hither” assault on the Tsar and the more short-sighted of his advisors. Ultimately, the Drei Kaiser’s Bund” was trash-canned as Russia foolishly worked against their own deeper interests by allying themselves with the Rothschild regimes in England and France.

    Thus was the stage set for the ultimate plan of the Sanhedrin’s minions: Destroy the Old Order which kept the peace in Europe, so that their armaments industries could create immense profits for their Bank\$ter minions and that the European people would be induced to fight each other in the first fully industrialized slaughter-machine and that most of the best of European young manhood would be killed off and that their New World Order would become the successor of the Peace of of Westphalia dating to 1648 and that this new order would be controlled from behind the scenes by the Central Bank\$ters.

    • 谢谢: Robjil
  116. geokat62 说:
    @noname27

    I would suggest that 20 million in 1917 is a lot more than 450 million in today’s money. At least a \$ billion.

    Not so. If you go strictly by CPI, it is roughly \$450 million:

    If, however, you reference Ron Unz’s comment #81, he makes the valid point that wage inflation (100 to 1) was much higher than CPI.

    • 回复: @noname27
    , @geokat62
    , @Ron Unz
  117. @ForeverGone

    What reason would I have to write under a pseudonym?

  118. @Mikhail

    Ah yes, the notoriously pro Soviet Atlantic. Are you insane?

    • 巨魔: Mikhail
    • 回复: @Majority of One
  119. Hans 说:
    @Miro23

    You’re most welcome, Miro, and big thanks for the info. I was sure that A. N. Field had added some detail on (((machinations))) to deprive the Russian forces of ammo/supplies/funds at the time of the (((Bolshevik))) Revolution. Not finding it in the search bar but maybe that’s been fiddled, too. LOL

    Fine book, https://archive.org/details/AllTheseThings1934

  120. Desert Fox 说:

    The Russian revolution was financed via the FED and various other zionist bankers, which was documented in Anthony Suttons book Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution and can be had on amazon.

    The same zionist bankers families are behind antifa, blacklivesmatter, the CIA, the FBI, the Mossad, the covid-19 hoax, scam and psyop and the covid vaccination agenda aka the Jim Jones Kool Aid agenda, there is nothing new under the zionist sun.

    The bolsheviks/zionists/communists are in the saddle here in the ZUS on the gray horse of death destruction and hell, coming our way soon.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
    , @Druid
  121. @FB

    As first Lenin, under the somewhat free-enterprise encouraging policies under the NEP (New Economic Program) began to restore some level of economic and social sanity in Soviet Russia.

    After Ulyanov’s relatively early demise, Josef Djugashvili (Stalin) ascended to the pinnacle of the Bolshevik regime. Initially working with the Khazarian Bolshevik leaders, including with his number One henchman, the bloodthirsty Lazar Kaganovich (presumably a direct descendant of the ruling Kagans of Khazaria) in setting up the deaths by starvation of some nine million peasants, mostly in Ukraine and also in Russia’s southern grain-belt…in part to divert their food stashes to urban workers…Stalin effectually destroyed Russia’s primary food-producers.

    Thus, massive amounts of gold and other valuables seized from that suffering land’s former rulers, made its way to the West in exchange for grain, cattle and other foodstuffs.

    With sufficient imported food for the country, Stalin then implemented a major industrialization initiative. At the same time, having become primarily a Russian nationalist instead of a Bolshevik Internationalist, Stalin began replacing key Khazarians with ethnic Russians in many positions of authority and power. In 1937 Djugashvili (ironically meaning “Jewison” in the Georgian tongue) initiated his great purges of the Khazarian faction, while at the same time enjoying, serially, the company of his three Jewish wives.

    In 1941, Stalin’s agent removed Lev Bronstein (“Leon Trotsky”), the last of his major enemies. During that time-span Stalin’s industrialization policies created an utterly huge war-machine, which ultimately came as an overwhelming surprise to the German invaders. There is no doubt that Stalin’s efforts in developing Soviet industry were highly effective as were the advances in Russia’s educational system.

    What must not be overlooked, however, is that in roughly two decades preceding the created First World War, Tsarist Russia’s industrial platform (including railroad building and other infrastructural advances) were developing at a world-beating pace. At the same time Russian literature and the arts had become internationally renowned.

    So who is to say that the infrastructure of that great nation (sans involvement in the WWI circular firing-squad) would not have developed even more rapidly than it did under the Neo-nationalist Joe Stalin?

    • 回复: @FB
  122. @Max Parry

    The Atlantic happens to be the long-term voice of the Eastern establishment. In recent years it has become in many respects the intellectual spokes”person” for that form of political correctness approved by Ivy League minions and their financial underpinners amongst the Rockefeller, Mellon,Ford and other major crime-clans’ foundation and corporate entities.

    Thus, is the Atlantic nothing more than a mouthpiece for the ruling elite which OWNS the mere pro\$titicians in the Di\$trict of Corruption and the mass media of mesmerization and mind-control. The fact that you, Max Parry, happen to be sufficiently acceptable to be published in that rag is not to your credit.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  123. @Desert Fox

    Sutton definitely had your reading level as his target audience.

    • 哈哈: FB, Hans
    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @Ugetit
  124. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Majority of One

    You’re talking a lot of nonsense, and obviously you know less than nothing about Soviet history.

    By the late 1930’s, the Soviet Union that had been last in terms of economic development and output in Europe only 8 years before had pulled off a stunning achievement.

    It had become the 2’nd largest economy in the world.

    Even the incredible expansion of China in the last 30 years has not surpassed Russia’s growth in the Stalin period.

    In 1929 there were 25,000,000 small peasant farms, by 1952 these had been transformed into 100,000 large and highly mechanized collective farms.

    The resulting upturn in manufacturing output and national income was something unprecedented in the history of industrialization.

    Soviet manufacturing boomed during the Great Depression.

    If one examines the period of the two five year plans of 1928 to 1937 Soviet national income rose from 24.4 to 96.3 billion rubles, coal output increased from 35.4 to 128 million tons, steel production from 4 to 17.7 million tons, electricity output rose 700%…

    …machine-tool production 20,000%…

    and tractor production (factories that could be easily converted in tank production) 上升40,000%。

    That latter equals a 400倍 increase in production.

    那个 四倍 of GDP in the ten years of 1928 to 1937 equals an annual growth rate of 15 percent. No country has accomplished that since, not even China.

    这还不包括已开发的绝对庞大的教育和科学基础设施,这是国家实力的关键因素,因为您必须拥有受过高等教育的科学家和工程师才能拥有世界领先的武器装备。

    That’s not even to mention the massive urbanization that occurred, outstripping even US urbanization post Great Depression. Even today Russia, without the rest of the Soviet Union has more cities with a population of one million people than the US [15 vs 10].

    And of course the advances in health care, with universal medical coverage for every citizen, which the US still lacks to this day.

    Like I said, the Soviet Union under Stalin made giant strides. The US was indeed consumed with the threat that Russia’s progress would lead to domestic unrest and calls for socialism, sweeping the elite from power. They were consumed by that fear for decades.

    It’s true that by the 1970s the Soviet system had degenerated into corruption and nepotism, and this is the aspect that they drum into people’s heads, while erasing the early history of how socialism built a superpower out of a backward country lagging in every respect.

    But the Russians made the mistake of abandoning socialism and embracing crony capitalism, instead of fine-tuning the political economy as has China has done with a mixed economy and a robust small business base, with a core of large state owned enterprises showing the way. And of course competently managed by a political class WORKING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE.

    • 回复: @Alexandros
    , @John Johnson
  125. Mr. Unz is owed a great debt of gratitude for publishing a classic example of THE BIG LIE.

    • 同意: Hibernian, Hans
  126. Jazman 说:
    @FB

    What is your opinion on Arthur Sutton who claim in his publish work and interviews that West helped USSR to build industries and all Soviets achievements are related to help from USA . So far I have not find any detailed argument opposing Sutton claims .

    • 回复: @FB
  127. Alfred 说:

    the author is referring to the preposterous claim that American capitalists — or “Wall Street bankers” — secretly financed one of the most epochal political revolutions in world history

    It amusing how people continue to think that wars and revolutions don’t cost money – often money from abroad.

    The idea that someone like Lenin can stand on a soap box on Nevsky Prospekt and start a revolution in a country with 9 timezones is hilarious. 🤣

    Rather like the story about the kind and charitable White Helmets saving kids from the evil and wicked doctor Bashar al-Assad. It takes a certain mindset to accept such nonsense. Max Parry obliges.

    • 谢谢: Hans
    • 回复: @Max Parry
    , @Zarathustra
  128. annamaria 说:
    @Tom Verso

    “intellectual integrity of Max Perry” does not exist.

    Max Perry is not just willfully ignorant in the history of Russia – he is an aggressive propagandist for the Zionist cause. Perhaps he counts on the ongoing censorship of the history of Ukrainian & Kazakh Holodomor that involved certain Lazar Kaganovich and certain Shaya Itsikovich Goloschyokin. And then there were Trotsky, Sverdlov, Zinoviev, Zalkind (see mass slaughters in Crimea), Frankel (see GULAG), Isaj Berg (an inventor of gas van), and the likes — the list is long.

    As for the malignant involvement of Jakob Schiff in the Bolshevik revolution, Max Perry really, really needs to learn about the Russo-Japanese war 1904/1905 and about the enormous amount of money that Schiff (a fighter against Amalek) gave to the Japanese government (to wage the war) and to Russian propagandists to agitate Russian POWs in Japan for the future revolution.

    The revolution was a tremendous tragedy, a disaster for Russian civilization. The Jewish periodicals greeted the Bolshevik revolution as the greatest Jewish achievement.

    布尔什维克革命,”美国领先的犹太社区报纸在 1920 年宣称,“很大程度上是犹太人的思想、犹太人的不满和犹太人重建努力的产物。”

    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
    Unsurprisingly, the executioner of the Russian imperial family, Yurovsky, was Jewish as well. British veteran journalist Robert Wilton (1920)

    The whole record of Bolshevism in Russia is indelibly impressed with the stamp of an alien invasion. The murder of the Tsar, deliberately planned by the Jew Sverdlov (who came to Russia as a paid agent of Germany) and carried out by the Jews Goloshchekin, Syromolotov, Safarov, Volkov, and Yurovsky is the act not of the Russian people, but of this hostile invader.

    After Mr. Max Parry gest some education about the Jewish role in the Bilsehvivk revolution he can move to WWII and learn about the slaughter of civilians in Drezden, starving of millions of German POWs, the profiteering schema of holobiz – and other fights against Amalek. For example, more recently, the Jewish State was involved in arming Ukrainian neo-Nazi with Israeli rifles, while a representative of Kagans’ family ziocons fraternized with the neo-Nazis and did the “democracy on the march” by hand-picking a president for the unfortunate country. The Jewish Lobby was elated.

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 谢谢: Ugetit
    • 回复: @Tom Verso
  129. FB 说: • 您的网站

    Also worth discussing here is the issue of demographics. During the Cold War an entire industry of mythology was propagated by the US elite that sought to downplay the huge strides of socialism in Russia and China. Stories about famines and starvation were manufactured out of whole cloth and spoonfed to the masses with great gusto.

    But what of the US’s own demographic catastrophe during the Great Depression years?

    [更多]

    This table of US Census data shows decade by decade population growth. It’s readily apparent that the increase in population of just 9 million people [7.27 percent growth] in the decade of 1939 to 1940 is an anomaly. It is in fact the ONLY decade to show a DECREASE in growth to that point, and in fact until 1980, when decade by decade growth again contracted for only the second time. 资源

    In the previous decade of 1920-30 the population had increased by more than DOUBLE, over 16 percent, and a growth of 17 million people in absolute terms.

    In the decade subsequent to the 1930s [1940-50], the population growth once again rebounded to over 14 percent, and an absolute increase of more than 19万人。

    Clearly that bracketed decade of the Great Depression, which brought just 9 million more people is indicative of a demographic catastrophe. This is no news to anybody who grew up even in the 1960s, since those hardship years were still a living memory. One of the great American works of literature, Grapes of Wrath, tells the story of mass migration from the Dust Bowl states in the heartland, with millions of landless tenant farmers forced off the land and ending up as plantation labor in California, where they are heavily exploited.

    Why so few people in the 1930s? Couldn’t be that some actually starved, many died prematurely from insufficient nutrition, and women just didn’t bear as many children, again due to lack of nutrition. Some will say that the decline is a result of less immigration, and this is a part of it, as we see here:

    But we note that the numbers aren’t nearly enough to explain the entire population shortfall of about 10 million. Total immigration in the 1920s was just 4 million, dropping to 700,000 in the ’30s. So a shortfall of just over 3 million could be placed on the closing of immigration. And in the decade of the forties, immigration was still low at just 800,000, but that decade saw a jump in numbers of 19 million people, ten million more than the previous decade of the thirties.

    Here we see the fertility rate by decade:

    We see that indeed women were having less babies in the 1930s. Life expectancy of newborns also may have dropped due to lack of nutrition. Some folks who still remember will tell you that people would bring their malnourished kids to the doctor and he would prescribe ‘food’. Often the pharmacy would pitch in to help provide that ‘prescription’.

    Of course the whole point of indoctrination is to convince people of an alternate narrative, often even an alternate reality. So it is that the vivid memory of the Dust Bowl and demographic catastrophe of the Great Depression is all but forgotten…yet tales of famines and woes in faraway lands where no ordinary folks have ever gone to look, somehow live on in the imagination of the masses.

    Yes, that’s what Bernays’ mass media and a pliant education system can do for you if you are part of the ruling elite. It is not too difficult at all to instill a very durable mythology into the minds of ordinary Joe or Jane, now working three jobs, plus delivering Uber Eats, and one serious medical emergency away from living in your car. Ain’t it grand?

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
    , @Ron Unz
  130. @FB

    Russia went from being one of the most backward countries, to having an education system that was the envy of the world and led to the Soviet Union leading major scientific and technical breakthroughs like space flight, nuclear energy and much more

    Like the United States, Russia languished in a scientific and technological dark age until after captured German documents and scientist were brought into both countries following WW2.

    Prior to studying captured German documents and interviewing German doctors, neither country had a public health care system, or had any idea how to run one.

    Plus, now that all the German scientist are dead and gone, the United States is unable to launch a rocket without importing engines from Russia.

    • 回复: @FB
    , @John Johnson
  131. @Majority of One

    You’re correct it is an Eastern establishment rag but how do my views align in any way shape or form with such a publication? Have you ever even read the Atlantic?? It has published numerous articles suggesting the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi Germany. The idea that my writing would be welcome in a magazine edited by a neoconservative like Jeffrey Goldberg is ridiculous. You are unable to make distinctions between vastly different political ideologies.

    • 巨魔: Trinity
    • 回复: @Mikhail
    , @Majority of One
  132. annamaria 说:
    @Andrei

    The usual “me, poor victim!”

    First, stop your profiteering schema of holobiz.

    Second, stop your slaughterous Wars for Israel in Iraq, Syria, Lybia, and Iran (by murdering Iranian scientists and engineers). Learn how to negotiate with your blood cousins without bankrupting the US and destroying western civilization. It has been the malicious censorship that made factual information about Bolshevism suppressed for decades. See the ostracism of Solzhenitsyn for his documentary “Two Hundred Years Together.”

    Third, just a few years ago, Ukraine had been regime-changed by a union of ziocons and Banderites (neo-nazis). And it was the Jewish State that had been arming the neo-Nazis. So stop with your Hitler thing already.

    If there were a real Jewish civilization, people would unite and create something decent. Instead, you have a Sovietized theocratic apartheid state in the Middle East, which was created by self-proclaimed terrorists, and a huge Jewish community of subversives who prefer to live as far as possible from their Jewish brethren in the ‘promised land,’ while corrupting the countries of their residence by suppressing the freedom of information (see Bolshevism and BDS) and demanding special treatment (see the profitable schema of holobiz)

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/major-israeli-daily-our-government-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine

  133. @Alfred

    As someone who has actually demonstrated against the imperialist war on Syria and the White Helmets war propaganda, how dare you conflate the Russian Revolution with the CIA’s Arab Spring.

    • 同意: FB
    • 回复: @Hibernian
    , @geokat62
    , @Alfred
  134. Fools Game [AKA "Rothschild Khazarian Mafia"] 说:
    @Magylson

    Many well corroborated articles in “Veterans Today” about the “Rothschilds Khazarian Mafia”(RKM).
    What E. Michael Jones explains in his book “Jewish Revolutionary Spirit”, and most of these so-called bolshevik “jews” are not actual jews, although they claim to be. “Anti-semitism” and “jew” are used by the criminal RKM as Liability Shields designed to Deflect Accountability and evoke False Trust, with which to deceive the victims of their Bank-Racketeering and other various Con Jobs…
    It’s the “ROTHSCHILDS KHAZARIAN MAFIA” (who are not actual “jews”, although they claim to be).

  135. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @FB

    Some of the pre-Soviet Russian schools of higher learning were quite impressive. Igor Sikorsky and a number of other talented and well educated Russians fled the Bolshes.

    It’s oh so sovok to pretend that there was no pre-Soviet Russian socioeconomic base leading to dramatic improvement without the Bolshes.

  136. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Max Parry

    This particular article of your would be acceptable at 大西洋 以及 RFE / RL.

    In comparison, paleocon leaning 编年史 and (generally speaking) Unz评论 exhibit pro-Russian/anti-Soviet tendencies.

    Your arrogance and ignorance on the subject matter at hand (foreign involvement during the Russian Civil War period) is clear for the reasons previously noted at this thread.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  137. Hibernian 说:
    @Max Parry

    Why don’t you move to a country that is still Communist, such as Cuba or North Korea?

    • 回复: @Max Parry
    , @HeebHunter
  138. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Carroll Price

    Like the United States, Russia languished in a scientific and technological dark age until after captured German documents and scientist were brought into both countries following WW2.

    Well, there’s a nugget of truth in that, but it is greatly overstated. Germany had the most developed higher education and scientific infrastructure of any country throughout the modern age of science that dawned with the 20’th century, and continuing to WW2.

    But it was a matter of degree. Countries like England, France and even the US were not that far behind technically. Russia was also making very big strides in technical capability by the time of the outbreak of hostilities. All of the Allied players quickly progressed, although the Germans did have the edge in new and very important technologies like reactive propulsion, which includes both air-breathing jet engines and oxygen-fueled rocket engines.

    Certainly the German V2 is the grandaddy of rocketry and was really a spectacular advance for the time. Both the Russians and US quickly seized on that tech and both very quickly exceeded the capability of those Germans engines by huge leaps, especially the Russians who devoted their by-now impressive scientific community to this in a more serious way than the American side.

    Prior to studying captured German documents and interviewing German doctors, neither country had a public health care system, or had any idea how to run one.

    Again, Germany also did lead in medical science. But again, it was simply a matter of degree. The others were not far behind.

    It is indeed a shame that Europe was destroyed by Hitler’s megalomania, and Germany has never been allowed since to become a leading scientific power–at least in the technical fields that translate to military power, and those are in fact broad and many.

    • 回复: @E_Perez
  139. Seraphim 说:
    @Bartolo

    In French there is an exhaustive list of the ‘Personnel de la bureaucratie sovietique’ as it was in 1920, reproduced from a brochure published by the ”Association Unite de la Russie” (Russian emigrees) in New York, 1920, compiled from official Bolshevik newspapers (‘Izvestia’, ‘Golos Trouda’, ‘Krasnaya Gazeta’), in the ‘Le péril judéo-maçonnique : les “Protocols” des sages de Sion : coup d’oeil d’ensemble’, of Mgr. Jouin, Paris 1932, pp.109-136.
    演示文稿包括一章关于布尔什维克宣传是如何在世界各地组织的。
    不用说,这本书很难得到。 以色列国家图书馆有一本(系统编号:990020624020205171)!

  140. Max Parry 说:
    @Mikhail

    The CIA-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty was founded to target the Soviet Union with anti-communist propaganda. If you think they’d publish an article like this, I can’t even take you seriously.

    • 巨魔: Mikhail
    • 回复: @Mikhail
    , @Hibernian
  141. Seraphim 说:

    ”Separating truth from myth” is the motto of journalism: ‘Never let the Truth get in the way of a good story’.
    ”Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”
    The author seems to announce what will be the trend of the new adminstration, dominated again by the Trotskist neo-cons of the ‘International Community’ (the new name of the Comintern). Russophobia on steroids. Russia the font of anti-semitism.

  142. Max Parry 说:
    @Hibernian

    Because I don’t want to be a victim of U.S. foreign policy.

    • 回复: @Hibernian
  143. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Max Parry

    RFE / RL clearly exhibits anti-Russian tendencies that at times is agreeable with some pro-Soviet as well as Titoist slants.

    Compare how RFE / RL covers Mihailovic and Vlasov to the likes of Tito, OUN/UPA and the Ustasha.

  144. Tom Verso 说:
    @annamaria

    Thank you for sharing that information with me. Perhaps you would find interesting my “Jewish Experience”

    In 1959 the novel Exodus was the rage in non-fiction in the country and throughout the world.

    I was in the 10th grade and a bookworm so I bought it and read the 600+ plus pages in a few sittings. I was so enthralled with the plot that I skipped school and spent the day in the library reading.

    In 1961 the movie Exodus came out an I was first in line.

    I was all in for going to Israel to live on a kibbutz and fight the disgusting Arabs.

    By 1967 I was 24 years old with two years as an Army draftee behind me (before Vietnam) and enrolled in a small State University of New York college as philosophy of science major. I was developing some critical think skill, passionately anti-Vietnam war and the affects of my high school Jewish affair had worn off.

    Accordingly, the 1967 Israel invasion of neighboring Arab states did not sit well with me. But, I was too involved with the Vietnam thing to give much thought to the Middle East.

    In 1968, my senior year, the country was rift with student protest. One especially dramatic form was taking over college buildings (e.g. Colombia University). One day, six students approached me on campus and asked me to take part in a take over of the library. They especially thought I would make for a good image in that I was an Army vet and as proud Italian-American I wasn’t a long hair looking hippy like they were.

    I told them they were fucking ass-holes and if they did take over the library I would be coming in after them before the cops arrived on campus. I was still a bookworm and libraries are my sanctuary. There was no library takeover. I like to think that I had something to do with it; but that would be hubris.

    Decades later after reading E. Michael Jones book “Jewish Revolutionary Spirit” I thought back on the students who approached me. And a light flashing across my brain. … They were all JEWS!

    Jones’ world history macrocosm in my college campus microcosm

  145. HeebHunter 说:
    @Hibernian

    North Korea is ethnonational socialist though. They would put huwhites like max perry in prison.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  146. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Jazman

    Yeah, I’m not really sure what all this Sutton ‘historian’ has claimed. Maybe the US also ‘gave’ The Soviet Union the Sputnik and the Vostok spacecraft that carried the first humans into orbit?

    • 回复: @Jazman
  147. Oh, the SWEDISH banker Olof Aschberg!
    I had him confused with the Jewish conspirator of the same name.
    https://stormer-daily.rw/jewish-control-of-scandinavian-media/

    • 哈哈: geokat62
  148. geokat62 说:
    @Max Parry

    how dare you conflate the Russian Revolution with the CIA’s Arab Spring.

    CIA’s? Anything to do with the Middle East has to go through the appropriate channels.

    Now, if you had correctly attached the provenance of the Arab Spring to the Mossad, the comparison with the perpetrators of the Bolshevik Revolution may not seem as far fetched.

    • 同意: Ugetit
  149. utu 说:

    The denial of Jewish role in Russian Revolution may come from two positions: (1) the Revolution was Evil or (2) the Revolution was Good.

    (1) From the Revolution was Evil position come liberal and (neo)conservative Jews who want to whitewash the Jewish role in the Revolution. In extreme cases the prominent murderous Jewish Bolsheviks are denied their Jewishness on semantic or rather Talmudic ground that Communists were secular and thus they could not be Jewish. A Jew by becoming a communist ceased to be Jewish. Strangely this argument is often forwarded by secular Jews who at the same time are very proud of their non-religious Jewishness. If Catholics had Talmudic training and Jewish Chutzpah they could similarly claim there were no Catholic criminals.

    (2) From the Revolution was Good position come idealistic communists who want to see the pinnacle of communist achievement to be pure and unpolluted with Jewish opportunism, machinations and ethnocentrism. They want to see Bolshevik Revolution just as it was depicted in Soviet propaganda movies. They feel that Russian Revolution w/o Jews I more pure and looks better? This can only be explained by their anti-Semitism.

    Max Parry falls in the category of idealistic communists. That’s why I think we can safely proclaim that Max Parry is an anti-Semite.

    • 同意: Seraphim
    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Mikhail
  150. Hibernian 说:
    @Max Parry

    The CIA-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty was founded to target the Soviet Union with anti-communist propaganda.

    那是几年前的70。

  151. Hibernian 说:
    @Max Parry

    IOW you’d rather subvert an overly tolerant society from within than fight side by side with your comrades.

  152. @Andrei

    让我们看看我是否有这个权利:
    Jews started three wars that killed millions of non-Jewish people, and a few Jews. Then the Jews blamed Hitler, Germans, and National Socialism for everything; suppressing them and hunting them down, yea, even unto Buenos Aires; dragging them all the way to occupied Palestine for kangaroo court trials.

    It is projection when Jews claim people hate Jews, blaming them for everything, suppressing and hunting them down.

    And where is the evidence that people hate Jews for anything other than their actual, multiple, and enormous crimes?

    • 同意: annamaria
  153. I have never read such nonsense in my life. We are living in a dangerous time, since telling the truth, as one sage said, has become an act of treason, where writing half baked nonsense is acceptable. The mass of comments by well read readers, sufficiently put a big ?, to Mr. Parry’s assertions.

    • 回复: @FB
  154. Alexandros 说:
    @FB

    Yes very impressive. 25 million to 100,000. It’s amazing what you can achieve when you combine a brilliant organizer with the handgun as a motivating factor.

    Imagine the strides we could all make if we shot our grandparents and traded the gold filings in their teeth for industrial and military technology abroad.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  155. Ugetit 说:
    @Max Parry

    Sutton definitely had your reading level as his target audience.

    So that explains why you’re not able to comprehend Sutton.

  156. utu 说:
    @RedpilledAF

    I haven’t read Sutton’s book but I watched some videos that used to be available. And I was not impressed. Why Soviet Union got great injection of technology and investments at the time when it was being condemned for atrocities it was committing requires better explanation. And I think that communist Jewish activisms and Soviet agents of influence in the West is not a sufficient explanation. There was something more to which Sutton was only vaguely alluding. And that the USSR was the first anti anti-Semitic state where anti-Semites could get arrested and executed was not it either. It was something deeper and darker.

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
  157. geokat62 说:
    @utu

    2) the Revolution was Good.

    Tens of millions of innocent Russians were tortured and/or slaughtered… and some people are prepared to say they can see some good in this?

    • 回复: @Robert Dolan
    , @Seraphim
  158. geokat62 说:
    @Alexandros

    It’s amazing what you can achieve when you combine a brilliant organizer with the handgun as a motivating factor.

    Indeed. It’s astonishing that some westerners actually pine for the good ol’ days of totalitarianism.

  159. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The mass of comments by well read readers…

    That’s pretty funny right there. Well read in what? Chimping out?

    • 回复: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  160. @geokat62

    The NYT and most of organized jewry to this day defend and celebrate communism…..

    proof that organized jewry is deeply deranged and evil.

  161. Waitemata 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Marx thought there had to be an industrial proletariat before a revolution could be acheived. He believed this would be the case in Britain with its horrific early industrial cities and coal mines, not countries like Russia where there was some industry, partly through German investment, but where most of the population were rural.
    To quote from ‘The New Class’ by Milovan Djilas one-time Vice President of Yugoslavia but later imprisoned by Tito for his critique of the new bureaucratic class, ‘The Marxist objections to the Soviet revolution were, in any case, quite basic. Marx’s basic statement of his philosophy ( in his Critique of Political Economy ), states flatly, ‘No form of society can perish before all the forces of production which it is large enough to contain are developed, and at no time will outworn conditions be replaced by new higher conditions as long as the material necessities of their existence have not been hatched in the womb of the old Society itself.’ He interpteted this, frequently and explicitly, in the sense that capitalism in the advanced countries would so industrialize the economy and proletarianize the non capitalist masses that the coming to power of Socialism would require simply a political and administrative change.’
    In retrospect it seems more that elements of Marxist theory have been used to change essentially medieval societies into industrial states.
    A useful account of revolutionary Russia was written by the English journalist and London Times correspondent in Russia Robert Wilton who ‘lived from early boyhood among the Russian people..’
    In the preface to his book ‘Russia’s Agony’ he states ‘Bolshevism is not Russian-it is essentially non national; its leaders belong almost entirely to the race that lost its country and its nationhood long ago. In April 1918, the Bolshevist “Government,” including 384 “Peoples Commissaries,” was represented by 2 negroes, 13 Russians 15 Chinamen,22 Armenians and Georgians and more than 300 Jews. Of the last 264 had come to Russia during the “Revolution.” ‘
    This book was published in 1918. A subsequent book published in 1923 called ‘The Last Days of The Romanov’s’ contained at the back of the first edition the names of these ‘Revolutionaries.’
    Needless to say Robert Wilton did not win popularity with his books.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  162. Dacian 说:

    Adding my 2 cents to the discussion of the role of Jews in the making of the Soviet Union.

    I am afraid that most of the opinions offered here focus on one moment or another of the complicated history, and in that sense, the arguments are never discussing the same subject. To me, it is incontestable that the International Jewish Khazars had their eyes on the crown jewel, Russia, which their 1000-year rival, the Slavic Rus’, represented. By taking control of its vast territory, and vast resources, the Khazars would in one shot be at the pinnacle of world domination. Sending \$2 billion to Kerensky’s Social-Democrats would be a small, very small, price to pay.

    But, contrary to the myth of Jewish omnipotence and omniscience, they misjudged. That was their first major error. The Social-Democrats were not winning. Then they, i.e., Schiff, Aschberg, went further to the left and bet on the party of Trotsky.

    This was their second major miscalculation. Despite their overwhelming majority in the early Soviet leadership, they lost to a shrewd Georgian. Against all the odds, and almost single-handledly, Stalin out-maneuvered ALL of them, the bankers from Wall Street and from the City, the legions of Jews in high and low positions, the 5th columns, the unreliable Russians themselves, the Jewish and non-Jewish “inallectuals”, the shamanistic Orthodox Church, White infiltrators, the Polish interventionist Army, etc., etc.

    …speaking of an Alexander the Great of our times, that was Dzhugashvili the Great.

    So the Soviet Union emerged from the ruins of WWI, from the ruins of the Civil War, from the depths of the backward muzhiks, as a first class world power. It is true, after the treasonous Khrushchev and during Brezhnev’s lethargic years, Russia coasted along but lost some of its fervor.

    So, the ever vigilant Khazars staged a third massive assault in their drive to swallow Russia, thinking mistakenly again that this was finally their turn.

    The all-powerful, omniscient Jewish Khazars openly went on a frontal assault and the Oligarch regime seemed to be the all-out winners. Only they miscalculated again, on a massive scale.

    This time, probably at the cost of their own US-based empire. The ever clever Russians and their Chinese Maoist comrades (offspring themselves of the Russian revolution), have out-maneuvered the same Jewish gamblers.

    Because, rather than the hard, tedious job of representing the interests of the nation they live in, their addiction to short-term gambling (Max Weber) is ultimately the cause of their eternal attempt to reach to the top of the pole just to see it slip from their grasp at the last minute.

    So it’s true that the Bolshevik Revolution would not have been possible without Jewish money and organization. But, it’s also true that the Soviet Union was a Russian phenomenon through and through! with all its complexities. And Russia remains a Russian phenomenon, and a Russian success story, to this day.

    • 同意: annamaria
    • 谢谢: Majority of One
  163. @Carroll Price

    Like the United States, Russia languished in a scientific and technological dark age until after captured German documents and scientist were brought into both countries following WW2.

    Yea well the Germans made that same arrogant assumption until they watched tank shells bounce off the T-34.

    Of course the Germans were overall more advanced but to depict the Soviets as some backwards agrarian society incapable of technological innovation is a gross exaggeration. Hitler made the same mistake and was shocked by how many tanks they could produce as seen in table talk.

    • 同意: GomezAdddams
  164. @Andrei

    布尔什维克获胜不是因为他们比这些人更犹太人,而是因为他们比其他人更有远见,更激进。

    They won because they were willing to kill their enemies including democratic socialists. That aspect of the revolution isn’t discussed in schools because the left doesn’t want you to know that Lenin and pals were sore losers that killed people after losing the election.

    Lenin was in fact nearly assassinated by a female Jewish socialist from a competing party.

    Communist leaders in Europe were in fact disproportionately Jewish but they weren’t a cohesive group and there were anti-Communist Jews. However such Jews were conveniently ignored by the Nazis just as they are ignored by many here. Hitler the great anti-Communist executed Poles and Jews that had fought against Communists in the much ignored Polish-Soviet war. Risk your life killing Communists and I guess you’re still just a Jew or Slav.

  165. Seraphim 说:
    @geokat62

    There are people who actually think that way. For ”the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them”. And we know who are ‘them’.

  166. @Ron Unz

    You make the reading of a Max Parry article respectable by commenting on this thread but forgive me if I do not reread and simply summarise what I believe I have got out of it.

    It is just this.

    As Maslow’a Hierarchy of Needs would predict, a fortiori perhaps in a more religious and tribal age, rich men looked around for something worthy, according to their values and interests, of their benefactions. All the better if, effectually, you could gear up with other people’s money too. And businessmen tend to believe in all kinds of leverage.

    So what is surprising about Jacob Schiff helping to fund the 1905 revolutionaries or the Japanese fighting the Czar? It is about as surprising as a Rothschild, by way of charity, funding early Zionist settlement. It would only seem sinister to those now suggesting that Bill Gates’s contributions to the World Health Organisation, and, specifically, to vaccination, is evil.

    And I accept what I take to be Parry’s view that Wall Street, and Schiff in particular, did not fund Bolshevik revolution as such. I am reminded by a recent TV program highlighting the dozens of US corporations making large contributions, within Germany, for Hitler’s preparations for war in the mid to late 30s**, that the business of business is business. Just assume that Wall Street, and even Henry Ford, would have been happy to do profitable business with any large resource rich country and even to do it unprofitably in the hope of winning favour for the future. I find it quite plausible that Schiff would have given money that ended up in Bolshevik hands but also cut off supply to Bolsheviks when Kerensky was in office.

    **it interested me to learn that the US Ambassador to Germany wrote to FDR as early as 1936 to warn about those American corporations assisting German rearmement. Given FDR’s view of Wall Street and other big business that surely puts the date of his manoeuvring against the Nazis – and his recognition that it was going to take all his political cunning- well before it became known or suspected . I wonder how the contrast between classy Jews like Frankfurter and Baruch and the lower class Hitler influenced the Hyde Park and Harvard aristocrat.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  167. anon[308]• 免责声明 说:
    @Max Parry

    Truths are generally told and could only reliably be found at the beginning of the movement and applies to any movement . If you want to know about Christianity , you don’t leaf through the circa 1900 0r 1800 0r 900 documents or opinions but you look for observations, findings, discussion, and reporting close to the events .

    There is another separate rejoinder . The common thread that binds the neocons of 2017-2020,2001-2008 , and 2009-2016 is devotion to the cause of Israel. If you went back to 40s and followed it, you would see them moving back ,turning around ,changing parties, slogans, contradicting themselves repeatedly until Reagan era.Then they kind of disappeared until Cheney gang (already ion their pocket by 1998 ) brought them back. They were communists, socialists social democrats,Scoop Jackson Boeing democrats, Regan conservatives . They had tasted all .But the thread that binds them is unflinching loyalty to Israel. They can be anti and pro -war same time .They can be pro and anti- democracies at the drop of a dime and right on cue from Israel.They can express worse hatred against Saudi only to embrace it in 4-5 years time . They can excoriate Al Quiada only to support ISIS or “moderate rebel”

    The contradictions and inconsistencies can only be understood if we could trace the people’s past and establish the beneficiary direct or indirect .

    The banking industry that supported destruction of Czar did not have to believe in free market, closed market, capitalism, communism, or democracy or freedom of expression or religion . Destruction was the aim and the market or the system of government was simple tools . Contradicting themselves in a few years times don’t change anything for them . It just confuses us but leaves them with plausible deniability . We then argue in opinion pages and in political forum that they did not do it .

    • 同意: Ugetit, Alfred
    • 谢谢: Majority of One
  168. @Ron Unz

    哎呀!

    During that period, Russian/Soviet studies was overwhelmingly dominated by Russian-Jewish academics, notably the towering figures of Adam Ulam and Richard Pipes,

    No, Richard Pipes was Polish. Though I only met him once the reason I remember this clearly is because I suspect that I hit on a little truth in a joke I made about fellow Harvard professors Kissinger and Pipes. To wit, why was Pipes’s Team B so disastrously wrong in its overestimation of the danger posed by the Soviet Union? Because the achitect of détente, Kissinger, was German 😎

    • 回复: @utu
  169. @FB

    这还不包括已开发的绝对庞大的教育和科学基础设施,这是国家实力的关键因素,因为您必须拥有受过高等教育的科学家和工程师才能拥有世界领先的武器装备。

    大声笑,李森科在哪里符合这种信念?

    在 1928 年至 1937 年的十年间,GDP 翻了两番,相当于年增长率为 15%。 从那以后,没有一个国家做到了这一点,甚至中国也没有。

    令人印象深刻的数字同志。 一定是斯大林本人。

    Let’s not mention that over 5 million people starved in 1932-33. But I’m sure the people that starved to death would have been thrilled to learn that the GDP was doing well.

    苏联人从来没有想过农业。 他们从邪恶的资本家那里进口粮食,直到他们垮台。 他们实际上幸运的是石油价格的上涨。 所以他们只是把石油运到西方作为食物。

    The harsh reality is that they were dependent on imports from the beginning. Stalin would have lost if he hadn’t been able to import war supplies on loan from the US and Britain.

    Marxism is a load of crap. It never worked and never will. Marx didn’t have a clue as to what he was talking about when it came to economics or even basic agriculture.

    • 回复: @FB
    , @anonymous coward
  170. Druid55 说:
    @Max Parry

    Max, nice try. You’re a dope. Last i read of your shite!

  171. Jazman 说:
    @FB

    I believe it is bs related to Sutton . There is some videos on you tube .
    Can you imagine there is also opinion that US helped USSR to get nuclear weapons

  172. E_Perez 说:
    @FB

    I basically agree to your very balanced reply to @Carrol Price:
    Germany was technologically leading but other nations were not far behind. As you correctly say, it was a matter of degree.

    But two of your remarks need correction:

    Certainly the German V2 is the grandaddy of rocketry and was really a spectacular advance for the time. Both the Russians and US quickly seized on that tech and both very quickly exceeded the capability of those Germans engines by huge leaps,…

    Yes, the “leaps” exceeded German capabilities, but came more than a decade after seizing German documents and capturing German scientists/engineers and in a completely different economical environment.

    Europe was destroyed by Hitler’s megalomania

    Which is, of course, nonsense and need not even be argued against on unz.com.

    If you consider Europe was destroyed by ‘megalomania’ (as opposed to Jewish machinations), you better mention Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt.

    • 回复: @John Johnson
    , @FB
  173. Seraphim 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Jacob Schiff was primarily anti-Russian, promoting the Jewish causes in Russia. Bolsheviks failed to satisfy all the demands of the Jews (which included national autonomy) and pushing for assimilation. There was among Bolsheviks a lingering sentiment, with a tinge of Russian nationalism, that the Jews were quintessentially ‘capitalist’ and therefore ‘enemies of the people’, sentiment which prevailed under Stalin, who became overnight the monster that we know.
    Schiff asked for his money back? But who can believe that his loans were pure philanthropy?

  174. utu 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Richard Pipes was Polish. – He was Jewish. Born in Poland. Adam Ulam was also Jewish and also born in Poland. Ulam family was more assimilated. Both him and his famous brother are referred in wiki as Polish-American of Jewish descent while Pipes is referred as American.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  175. 很好的研究帕里,很多很好的信息。 我一直都知道这种说法是胡说八道,因为它没有任何意义,此外没有人会费心提供任何具体的说法证据。

    但是你也可以放弃试图说服居民纳粹崇拜者他们宝贵的元首宣传绝不是宣传,旨在吓唬德国人民远离社会主义,并洗脑他们放弃自己的生命并摧毁他们的家园,为精英。 最终只会让美国成为全球超级大国,让“犹太人”拥有自己的家园。 好难过..

    应该提醒他们的是,共产党人的遏制使他们宝贵的反白人元首和他所谓的主要种族被遗忘了。

    你总是可以指望 Unz 的吹牛者会向后弯腰保护他们的资本主义霸主。 从未失败。

    还在等待 Unz 先生,因为他是一个“犹太人”,给我们写一篇文章,解释那些已经放弃犹太教的人,是无神论者,对犹太宗教怀有敌意的人仍然是犹太人。 因为对于像我这样没有受过教育的笨蛋来说,这没有意义。 如果“犹太人”对布尔什维克革命负责,那么这是否意味着某些埃塞俄比亚黑人犹太人、某些伊朗犹太人、巴勒斯坦或中国犹太人应对此负责? 既然纳粹的叙述是他们是一个种族,而不是宗教?

    此外,由于恩兹先生在为犹太布尔什维克主义理论辩护时非常喜欢引用普京,他应该知道普京还说了很多其他的话来揭穿他过去在大屠杀和二战问题上的工作。 普京也是这些问题的真相仲裁者吗?

    对于 Unzstasha 来说也是一个挑战,因为共产主义犹太人如此众多且危险,请为自己列出所有当前合法的共产主义犹太人,您认为它们正在为您毁掉一切。 不是那些因为你不知道共产主义是什么而被称为共产主义者的人,不是真正的共产主义者,处于重要的权力位置,或者非常富有。

    然后列出您认为正在为您破坏一切的所有当前资本主义犹太人。 比如Steven Mnuchin Michael Bloomberg Sheldon Adelson(已故)Mark Zuckerberg George Soros Stephen Schwarzman Paul Singer Charles和Jared Kushner Larry Silverstein Henry Kissinger Ben Bernake Lloyd Blankfein等。

    祝你好运。

    Anyhoo,这里有一个想要了解很多社会主义的人应该看看,他在骚乱后为特朗普特发了一条特别信息,尽管如此,他是一个大屠杀的嗜血心理共产主义者,所以你最好小心:

    这个里面有很多好信息,如果你愿意,你可以学到很多东西

    • 同意: Jazman, soll
    • 谢谢: Max Parry, FB
    • 哈哈: Hans
    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF
    • 回复: @Max Parry
    , @John Johnson
    , @JM
  176. Staudegger 说:

    Since the Tsarist Empire was overtly antisemitic,

    In what way? Why didn’t Jews leave the country if it was so bad for them? Seems to me like Jews were allowed to prosper to such an extent that they eventually had enough power to take over the entire country. If anything, the Tsars seemed to ignore the Jewish problem.

  177. Max Parry 说:
    @redmudhooch

    There is another irony that escapes the “Unzstasha”: After the Soviet Union collapsed, under capitalism in Russia most of the richest “oligarchs” who rapidly accumulated wealth after the privatization of the former state-owned property are Jewish. So much for the whole Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy…

    • 同意: FB
  178. Druid 说:
    @Andrei

    British empire – jew/Rothschild control, us – Jew/Rothschild, France – Jew/Rothschild, China – sassoons/Jew – opium with brotoguns. Slavery in USA and Caribbean – Jews wanting cheap labor. A person could go in this vein for hours, going back row and a half thousand years!

  179. @Max Parry

    The Atlantic is much like the Chew Pork \$limes. “All the news that fits, we print it”. Not a precise quote, rather a paraphrase.

    Obviously, your essay in the Atlantic, which I have read on occasion (not particularly happy ones) was sufficiently politically correct from their perspective that they chose to use it. Like many another magazine, most particularly Time, the Atlantic is quite on message with the dictums of the Deep \$tate, aka the CIA.

    Henry Luce was very close with the Oh \$o \$ocial Ivy League (mostly Elis) prime movers in that outfit when it transmogrified in ’47. The 9-21/27 double issue of Time was an utter apotheosis of NWO/Globalist tropes and memes.

    Neocons is a far more apt description of that lot of plotters of 9-11 and the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq than “Neoconservative”—well, perhaps in the wet-dreams of the fortunately late William F. Buckley, who for years presented the snotty, arrogant face of faux conservatism.

    • 回复: @Hans
  180. Anonymous[179]• 免责声明 说:

    I have read Sutton book and they are well cited. One is dedicated to Wallstreet and Communists
    and other to Wallstreet and Nazism.

    Who was involved in Russia?

    Some of big names: Thompson, Rockefeller, etc. Jews.. Schiff, Seligman, Warburg .

    Trotsky shifted from being a Menshevik to Bolshevism and so his objects werent always like Lenin wanted. President Wilson aid for a passport to the Menshevik Trotsky who also passed through Halifax.

    As for Lenin, his wife and group of other revolutionaries did travel from Switzerland to Germany to Russia approved by the German command.

    Kerensky (provisional government) was a freemason (one parent named Adler).
    He was aided by people like Charles Crane.

    As you can see there were various groups involved in these revolutions.

    And definitely many Jews were involved. Sometimes working with each other, sometimes murdering each other.

    Many of these things were known in the West upper levels and various leaders commented on it.

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  181. @Max Parry

    Connected via ties with the 2,500+ years old Sanhedrin, the highest finance capitalists and the Bolsheviks worked (and work) as a dialectical pairing of deliberately posited opposites. In actuality they are the north and south poles of the same Babylonian Money Magick which has destroyed the economic symbol of the US back in the day. When “sound as a dollar” referred to the only LAWFUL currency under constitutional law—that weighty 92.5% silver coin which would ring like a church bell, or perhaps the Liberty Bell, when cast upon a marble counter.

    The last real dollar was produced in the San Francisco mint in 1935. Funny Money is no joke—at least to the Goyim. In 1913, before a quorumless Congre\$\$ and a blackmailed President Thomas Woodrow Wilson “passed the Federal Reserve Act, first class postage was two cents. Today, it costs 55 cents to mail a letter. Such is the best measure of the inflation rate which has almost totally destroyed the value of the dollar.

  182. Ya gotta love Ron’s commitment to free speech. Even nonsense gets a hearing.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  183. S 说:

    As might be expected, the author is referring to the preposterous claim that American capitalists — or “Wall Street bankers” — secretly financed one of the most epochal political revolutions in world history which overthrew the Romanov dynasty and ended the Russian Empire, leading to the establishment of the Soviet Union.

    Nothing preposterous about it all.

    Founding Fathers of the Capitalist 1776 American Revolution were also Founding Fathers of the proto-Communist 1789 French Revolution, ie Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, apparently Ben Franklin, too. (See links below.)

    [更多]

    Behind the 1776 Capitalist and 1789 Communist revolutions, one will find the City of London. The defacto Capitalist manifesto, Smith’s Wealth of Nations, was first published in London in 1776 by a Freeman of the City. Marx’s Communist Manifesto was first published in 1848 in the City of London itself.

    Applying Occam’s Razor, this would seem to be a manufactured and broadly controlled Hegelian Dialectic, ie Capitalist ‘thesis’, Communist ‘anti-thesis’, global Multi-Cultural ‘synthesis’, and (at least originally) a long term project of the British Empire.

    Despite the evidence, people continue to believe in either it’s Capitalist or Communist wings as spontaneously occurring and separate from the whole due to the power of the Big Lie.

    To think otherwise is simply too horrible to contemplate, and is crimethink besides.

    https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

    https://www.belcherfoundation.org/trilateral_center.htm

    • 谢谢: Ugetit
  184. @FB

    I wasn’t aware immigration had dropped by so much during the 1930’s. I thought that was the time when many were escaping Nazis in Europe, but I guess it is the basic supply-demand equation as there was no need for new workers given massive unemployment.

    • 回复: @FB
  185. @E_Perez

    If you consider Europe was destroyed by ‘megalomania’ (as opposed to Jewish machinations), you better mention Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt.

    There never would have been a war if Hitler had stayed in his borders. He could have lived as a god but I guess for some men that isn’t enough.

    Er.. wait I guess this is Unz. I blame the Polish attack on the German radio station.

    • 同意: FB, Commentator Mike
    • 回复: @Ugetit
  186. @Max Parry

    Maybe ironic but not surprising that the new oligarchs come from those who were well positioned in the former communist regime. Unfortunately the entire communist adventure ended up just as a transfer of wealth from former goy capitalists and landowners to the now mostly Jewish and crypto Jewish ones under the criminal privatisation programme.

    Anyway, there is one thing I appreciate about those communist societies – the charge of “economic crimes” and severe punishments for it. Now if we could also have the same elsewhere it could help clean up society.

    • 回复: @Ugetit
  187. Druid 说:
    @Max Parry

    Never give in, huh! You’re effin disgusting!

  188. Druid 说:
    @fayez chergui

    I’m sure he had! He’s trolling for the tribe!

    • 同意: RedpilledAF
  189. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @utu

    There’s a grouping of anti-Russian leftists blaming the Russian character for what happened in the USSR.

    For them, this viewpoint isn’t bigoted.

    • 回复: @S
  190. @redmudhooch

    还在等待 Unz 先生,因为他是一个“犹太人”,给我们写一篇文章,解释那些已经放弃犹太教的人,是无神论者,对犹太宗教怀有敌意的人仍然是犹太人。 因为对于像我这样没有受过教育的笨蛋来说,这没有意义。 如果“犹太人”对布尔什维克革命负责,那么这是否意味着某些埃塞俄比亚黑人犹太人、某些伊朗犹太人、巴勒斯坦或中国犹太人应对此负责? 既然纳粹的叙述是他们是一个种族,而不是宗教?

    Unz 的读者肯定花了太多时间将跨越不同种族的各种问题归咎于犹太人。 这里没有争论。

    但实际上,犹太教既是种族身份又是宗教身份,比任何纳粹叙事早了几千年。

    以色列将对种族认同的犹太人进行 DNA 测试。 因此,只要您通过种族 DNA 测试,您就可以放弃该宗教并仍然获得公民身份。 事实上,埃塞俄比亚犹太人比通过 DNA 传播的欧洲犹太人更难进入。

    You clearly have bought into the mainstream media/school narrative of “them dumb Nazis made all this up” when reality is in fact more complicated. In fact you come across as rather naïve.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  191. @Alfred

    You are the silly one.
    Communists confiscated the properties, bank accounts, killing nobility taking their gold etc.
    Communist had so much money that did not know what to do with it.
    They eventually used it for building up Russia, but that is beside point.

  192. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous

    Like there weren’t Jewish capitalists opposed to the Bolshes.

  193. Seraphim 说:
    @Staudegger

    They did leave the country in droves, fleeing the ‘persecution’ and ‘discrimination’. Between 1880 and 1925 2.8 million Jews emigrated to America, 90% from Russia. They worked tirelessly to sway the American public opinion into an increasingly anti-Russian posture, which led to the first economic sanctions (the abrogation in 1911 of the Russian-American Trade Treaty of 1832 under the pressure of ‘prominent Jews’ led by Jacob Schiff) and sympathy and support for the ‘anti-Tsarist’ revolutionaries of all colors.
    So, they had a role, and not an insignificant one, in the ‘Russian’ revolution, with American support from the very beginning.

    • 谢谢: Zarathustra
  194. Seraphim 说:
    @Max Parry

    William ‘Bill’ Felix Browder of Magnitsky Act fame, is the grand-son of Earl Russell Browder, the General Secretary of the CPUSA during the 1930s and first half of the 1940s and son of Felix Browder and Raissa Berkmann, born in Moscow in 1927.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @Max Parry
  195. Seraphim 说:
    @Seraphim

    Typo Correction: Raissa was the mother of Felix, who was born in Moscow.

  196. Alfred 说:
    @Max Parry

    how dare you conflate the Russian Revolution with the CIA’s Arab Spring.

    I seem to have touched a raw nerve. Truth can be sometimes painful.

    Why do you think Jacob Schiff celebrated in New York?

    Do you not see the similarity to the satisfaction shown by George Soros when he brings down a country?

    “…One of the greatest myths of contemporary history is that the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was a popular uprising of the downtrodden masses against the hated ruling class of the Tsars. However, the planning, the leadership and especially the financing came entirely from outside Russia, mostly from financiers in Germany, Britain and the United States. Furthermore, the Rothschild Formula played a major role in shaping these events”

    HIDDEN HISTORY: Who Financed Bolshevik Revolution?

    History books never mention where the money came from. Victors have a vested interest in pretending that they had moral superiority.

  197. Alfred 说:
    @Andrei

    Dostoevski and Solzhenitsyn aren’t objective arbiters of reality

    What they wrote reflected their personal experiences in Siberia and elsewhere. Their information is first hand.

    Why do you reject reality and prefer the Jew-constructed view of history?

    Do you really believe that the Jews were ever imprisoned in Egypt?

    That the “promised land” was Palestine?

    Do you believe the place they call “Jericho” had walls?

    If you believe these historical lies which have been archaelogically disproven, you will believe anything.

  198. @utu

    Thank you for making my point clear even to the most ignorant. Of course Pipes was Jewish, maybe even Zionist given the strength of his son Daniel’s support of Israel. (I have indeed travelled with Daniel in Israel and heard him say amongst other pretty conclusive dicta “”I don’t call them settlements. I call them Israelis [Jewish?] towns”). But Richard Pipes I only know of as a Cold Warrior.

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  199. @Staudegger

    You do start a bit behind scratch if you don’t know that Jews did leave the Tsarist Empire in large numbers. Questions can be raised about the timing and causes from time to time (e.g. conscription) but at latest from 1880 the numbers were huge.

  200. @Max Parry

    How do you make a link in your argument between the alleged behaviour or attitudes of Jews in Russia around 1917 and smart Jewish opportunists who became the 1990s oligarchs? Why would you say they are mutually exclusive or even anomalous?

  201. Hibernian 说:
    @Staudegger

    Why didn’t Jews leave the country if it was so bad for them?

    Massive numbers of them did, with NYC as the destination.

  202. It’s better to lose with clever man than to find with a fool saying is amply applied to unz review echo chamber. One must never argue with fools who are congregating here in great numbers.
    Article is pretty good except it were not Bolsheviks who got rid of Romanovs.
    Otherwise I am going to go out and take deep breath after this collective brain fart atmosphere. Will probably wash my eyes too.

    • 同意: Zarathustra
  203. Ugetit 说:
    @Staudegger

    Many went to Germany and many did well, too.

  204. @Renics Nykoros

    He knows every thing about Russian history specially Bolshevik history. he is lying. lying through the teeth.

  205. Ugetit 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Unfortunately the entire communist adventure ended up just as a transfer of wealth from former goy capitalists and landowners …

    And the church, from which massive wealth was looted (Not that I think “Christian” churches should have massive stores of material wealth…).

    Thanks for emphasizing that they were not against capitalism per se, but y capitalism which isn’t surprising since that system tends invariably toward monopoly as well as hegemony it it’s march to total slavery.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  206. Ugetit 说:
    @John Johnson

    There never would have been a war if Hitler had stayed in his borders.

    Like when Germany stayed within its borders there was no WW1?

  207. Hans 说:
    @Majority of One

    Ya mean “All the Jews See Fit to Print”?

    They did rush this nugget to press once upon a time. Kinda loaded down with fluff and pathos, but if you search for “cigarette lighter” the meat shows up: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/us/nation-challenged-detainees-dozens-israeli-jews-are-being-kept-federal-detention.html

    Technically they were scooped by the Bergen Record by 7 or 8 weeks but that was just a fluke and the Record needed some filler for the front page on 9/12/01 – ….golly, it’s not turning up the way it used to. that’s odd….this’ll have to do – http://helpstopthe9-11coverup.blogspot.com/2012/09/strange-things-about-9-11.html

  208. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @John Johnson

    Let’s not mention that over 5 million people starved in 1932-33 [USSR].

    And I suppose you were there, taking notes? Or maybe you just figure that the same liars who are pulling you by the nose today are 100 percent reliable with their fables from the Cold War?

    Look, I suggest you peruse my 上面的评论144 where I document the US demographic catastrophe of the 1930s, with a population shortfall of 10 MILLION. Did they ‘starve’ also?

    • 同意: Max Parry
    • 哈哈: Hans, L.K
    • 回复: @John Johnson
  209. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Commentator Mike

    I wasn’t aware immigration had dropped by so much during the 1930’s.

    Actually, immigration was tightened up in 1924 with the Immigration Act [Johnson-Reed Act], which closed immigration from Asia and set quotas on Italians, Greeks, Eastern European Jews, as well as Poles and other Slavs.

  210. Cyrano 说:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    让我试着用最简单的术语来解释,这样即使像你这样的人也能理解。 俄罗斯打了 2 次世界大战。 一个是“资本主义”国家,另一个是“共产主义”国家。

    他们作为“资本主义者”而战斗的那个——他们输了。 有人会说他们失去了那个,因为他们转向了“共产主义”。 好吧,他们转向“共产主义”是因为他们在那场战争中没有像“资本主义者”那样伟大——他们正在失去人,就像没有明天一样(对许多人来说,没有明天)。

    事实上,可以说“共产主义”在俄罗斯出现是因为“资本主义”拖了很长时间——至少在赢得战争的考验中是如此。 WW1 从另一个方面来说很有趣。 这是一场右翼之间的战争。 所有参与的国家都是右翼。

    根据“自由主义”或“左翼”的现代“定义”,你必须有大量的第三世界移民才有资格成为“自由主义”或“左翼”。 由于第一次世界大战前后欧洲没有第三世界移民——他们都是右翼政府,为世界各地的帝国财产而战。

    二战是不同的。 它是在极右翼、温和的右翼和极左翼之间进行的(你试着找出哪个是哪个)。 “极端”左翼赢得了这场战争——温和的右翼投入最少。 这与您认为共产主义带来的只有落后和停滞的理论有什么关系? 在基本的物质生存方面,“共产主义”为俄罗斯所做的比资本主义更多。

    • 回复: @Levtraro
  211. @Ugetit

    They just can’t stand competition and want to monopolise everything. Marching off economic criminals who engage in corrupt and unethical business practices to the stadium for their bullet in the back of the head and expropriation of their ill gotten gains could be a good start, beginning with those on the top. Politicians who enable them should get the same treatment.

  212. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @E_Perez

    But two of your remarks need correction…

    Well, I don’t want to go off on a discussion on rocket technology here, but your objection is not based in fact. Like I said, the German A4 [known commonly as V2] rocket was certainly the most powerful and sophisticated, by far, of the time–and the progenitor of all liquid-propelled rocket engines since.

    However, it’s not the case that the science of reactive propulsion was not advanced to some degree in other countries. Even in Tsarist Russia around the turn of the century, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky laid the mathematical foundation for rocketry with the ‘Rocket Equation’ that bears his name. American rocket pioneer Robert Goddard and German Herman Oberth both independently derived the same fundamental equation of motion at later dates.

    The idea that the German scientists and documents as well as the physical samples of the V2 were the for the US and Russian space program and the much more powerful engines that followed is not accurate.

    To keep things short, the V2 was about as far as you could go with the technology of that time…but it was not nearly enough to achieve orbital flight, which required a SPEED of about FIVE times greater than the V2 could accomplish.

    That required hugely greater power, which required BRAND NEW technologies–for instance the V2 engines were fed fuel by turbopumps running on steam, created from hydrogen peroxide and a sodium permanganate catalyst. The big breakthrough in making larger more powerful engines was replacing this with pre-burners that ran on the same propellant as the engine itself.

    That is just an example of one of many HUGE breakthroughs that followed in the Soviet Union, and also in the US [but at a more modest pace].

    The German scientists were useful no doubt, but they were not central to the crucial subsequent advances. In Huntsville, the Germans were kept on a short leash and separate from the American scientists, basically doing their own thing. It was only much later that von Braun was given full confidence to design the massive Saturn V launch vehicle for the Apollo moon program.

    Yes, it took a good decade for much more powerful engines and launch vehicles to come on online, but to describe the German V2 technology and human resources as being key is not accurate in the least–quite the opposite.

    The main effect of the V2 was a kind of kickstart in the right direction. But most of what came after was the real heavy lifting.

  213. Let me explain you something!
    Most of you are projecting present condition on past events in Russia,
    Jewish power in Russia was minuscule in comparison to today’s Jewish power in USA , which is absolute..
    Lenin and Stalin were absolute totalitarian dictators with zero opposition.
    Both Lenin and Stalin only did use Jews for the dirty work as it was necessary.
    That is why Jews eventually did kill both, Lenin and also Stalin.
    (I did try to swear at you but obviously it does not help.)

    • 哈哈: Hans
  214. @Ugetit

    Like when Germany stayed within its borders there was no WW1?

    But did it? Germany backed Austria-Hungary which invaded Serbia and following Russia’s backing of Serbia. Hostilities in the West were initiated by Germany’s invasion of Belgium and attack on France. So, no, Germany did not stay within its borders and was the aggressor, just like Austria-Hungary.

  215. Alfred 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    斯大林是格鲁吉亚人

    Stalin was possibly a Georgian Jew (real name: Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili [Dzhugashvili])

    In any case, it is certain that his 3 wives were Jewish. Furthermore, the Kremlin was packed with Jewish beauties during his tenure.

    The Proof that Stalin is a Jew

    • 哈哈: Max Parry
    • 回复: @nokangaroos
  216. @John Johnson

    Unz readers certainly spend too much time blaming Jews for all kinds of problems that span various races.

    I blame the goyim for allowing the Jews to manipulate them and run rough shod over them. But of course that entails pointing out just who and how dominates society, as Kevin MacDonald shows. And I’m not sure that the goyim would be much better as by now they have been so conditioned by Talmudism on which society operates; i.e this is the capitalist system of the money changers that Jesus chased out of the temple and Jews aren’t the only ones who engage in it and would probably run without them.

  217. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Ugetit

    Like when Germany stayed within its borders there was no WW1?

    Wow. The level of historical illiteracy here is astonishing. Here are some basic facts that are not in any kind of dispute; The chronological order of hostilities:

    1. The war started with Austria SHELLING the Serbian Capital, Belgrade, on July 28 1914.

    2。 德国 宣战 on Russia on 1 August in support of Austria-Hungary.

    3. On 2 August, Germany demanded free passage through Belgium. When this was refused, German forces 入侵 Belgium on 3 August and declared war on France the same day. Armies under German generals Alexander von Kluck and Karl von Bülow 攻击 Belgium on 4 August 1914.

    4。 奥地利 入侵 and fought the Serbian army at the Battle of Cer and Battle of Kolubara beginning on 12 August.

    I would have thought it impossible that actual adults [I am presuming] could be that clueless about the REAL WORLD.

    Maybe try cutting back a little on UNZ time and acquainting yourself with some PHYSICAL REALITIES.

    • 同意: Commentator Mike
    • 哈哈: Hans
  218. S 说:
    @Mikhail

    I read a book by a committed Yugoslav Communist once. In it, he described how when in his early twenties and while visiting Moscow in about 1935 on some young Communist friendship society sponsored tour, he got picked up and arrested by the secret police. Either Stalin had been feeling particularly paranoid and had ordered a sweep of the capital of ‘foreigners’, or, the NKVD was wanting to please him with large numbers of arrests, I’ve forgotten.

    Based upon some wholly manufactured charges, but taking his youth and inexperience into account. the young man was given a sentence of ‘only’ twenty years hard labor in the Gulag.

    He served almost the entire sentence, until finally being released along with many others by order of Khrushchev in the mid 1950’s.

    Understandably angry, rather than blaming the Communist ideology, or Stalin, a Georgian, for what had happened to him, he blamed Russia and the Russian people, and ironically, for an atheist, said they were ‘God forsaken’.

    [For the record, I don’t think Russia and the Russian people were, or, are, ‘God forsaken’. I also think they, too, were a ‘captive nation’ under Communism, along with the peoples of Eastern Europe.]

  219. Ron Unz 说:
    @FB

    Also worth discussing here is the issue of demographics. During the Cold War an entire industry of mythology was propagated by the US elite that sought to downplay the huge strides of socialism in Russia and China. Stories about famines and starvation were manufactured out of whole cloth and spoonfed to the masses with great gusto.

    Well, in previous threads “FB” has repeatedly claimed that “millions” of Americans died of starvation during the Great American Famine of the 1930s.

    Yet oddly enough, this massive human catastrophe, probably the greatest in American history, went entirely unnoticed by the numerous and very energetic left-wing and Communist newspapers and magazines that were published in America during that period, and always denouncing the government on all sorts of lesser issues.

    Shame, shame on those American Communists for helping to cover up those millions of dead American “workers and peasants”.

    In fact, the only evidence “FB” can cite for that gigantic American calamity is a few paragraphs in a fictional book of that area that describes the (non-starvation) deaths of a couple of old people. Israel Shamir once cited the same book as proof of the same events, so I think it was probably a staple of old (very low-quality) Soviet propaganda from the 1970s.

    • 同意: L.K
    • 谢谢: Hans
    • 哈哈: FB
    • 回复: @Max Parry
    , @S
  220. Desert Fox 说:
    @Druid

    Agree, not only 911, but the assassination of JFK and the joint Israeli and ZUS traitors attack on the USS Liberty, in fact the list could go on and on.

  221. @geokat62

    LOL lying propaganda. My dad bought a large luxury saloon (sedan) in 1960 for a £1,000 – today a luxury saloon (sedan) costs in excess of £40,000. \$20,000,000 X 40 = \$800,000,000 minimum.

  222. @Ugetit

    Like when Germany stayed within its borders there was no WW1?

    Wilson should have stayed home in that war.

    But that doesn’t excuse Germany in WW2. The British let him have Czechoslovakia and Austria. Germany would have been the dominant country in the world if he stayed in his borders.

    Hitler also had the option of attacking the Soviets first or building his empire somewhere else.

    The harsh truth is that he wanted to wipe Christian Poland off the map more than he wanted to take on Communism. He could have been a great liberator if he took on the Soviets instead of obsessing over Jews and Poland.

    Hitler is the main reason we are in this mess. He didn’t stop Communism by killing a bunch of Polish Jews. If anything it made the left stronger.

    California was a leader in eugenics and that entire field of study ended after WW2. Leftist race denial only became accepted in the colleges because the entire West got a case of the guilts over the war. Now the entire system is built around race denial and you can lose your career for questioning it. A leftist dream come true.

    Thanks a bunch Adolf. Terrible Risk player.

    • 回复: @Majority of One
  223. @Ron Unz

    As opposed to the incontrovertible word of William Randolph Hearst’s yellow press which is the primary source of the Holodomor hoax?

    • 同意: FB
    • 巨魔: L.K
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @L.K
    , @L.K
  224. S 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I trust the book wasn’t The Grapes of Wrath. I’d heard the movie version of it had been used as Soviet propaganda, that is until the Russian people started noticing the truck the family owned, broke down half the time as it was.

    ”What, they’ve got cars in America?”

  225. @Seraphim

    Earl Browder was kicked out of the CPUSA for supporting US imperialism after the war ended.

  226. Ron Unz 说:
    @Max Parry

    As opposed to the incontrovertible word of William Randolph Hearst’s yellow press which is the primary source of the Holodomor hoax?

    Not really. Back in the late 1970s/1980s when I was interested in Soviet history, I think the standard narrative among Western Sovietologists was that something like 30-35 million people had been killed under the Lenin and Stalin, through executions, the gulag, and the famines. But I think that after the archives were opened, those estimate turned out to be greatly exaggerated and the standard figure today is around 20 million, which is still a pretty big number.

    The issue has come up in the past, including on one of your previous articles from 2019, so I might as well repeat my previous comments:

    I know that lots of Soviet apologists have regularly denounced the gigantic death estimates of people like Solzhenitsyn and Robert Conquest, and I’ll admit I’ve never really investigated the matter. When I looked at a couple of conflicting books, all the footnotes were to Russian-language journal articles, so I guess I’m stuck. However, here are a couple of data-points I consider reasonably persuasive.

    (1) Putin praised Solzhenitsyn and pretty much gave him an official state funeral, while ordering that his Gulag Archipelago be made required reading in all Russian high schools. I’d say that Putin has better access to the old Soviet archives than I do, and this leads me to believe that Solzhenitsyn’s claims weren’t so totally absurd.

    (2) I recently added the archives of Prof. Stephen Cohen, an eminent Russian scholar, and someone of impeccable leftwing credentials, who was endlessly vilified as “pro-Soviet” during the 1980s. In listening to some of his broadcasts, he seemed to have a very high opinion of Conquest and his Soviet scholarship. Once again, Cohen is far more knowledgeable regarding the truth of the Soviet era, its executions, and its Gulag than I am.

    https://www.unz.com/author/stephen-f-cohen/

    Since Putin and Prof. Cohen seem to roughly agree, I’d need to see an *可怕* lot of evidence on the other side before I’d reject something like a 20 million Soviet death toll…

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-eu-is-rewriting-wwii-history-to-demonize-russia/?showcomments#comment-3520258

    但是,是的,征服是使戈培尔看起来几乎是业余的那些比生活“历史学家”更大的人之一。

    I’ll admit I never actually read any of Conquest’s books about the Stalin Era, though I was certainly aware of the enormous body-count he estimated. I think I have heard that after the Soviet archives were finally opened, he admitted that some of his estimates had been far too extreme, but that’s an inevitable risk in trying to tease out facts from an absolutely closed totalitarian society. And as far as I know, his revised estimates are still enormously horrific.

    But consider the perspective of Prof. Stephen Cohen. He’s certainly an eminent Russia scholar and most of his current views and analysis seem very sensible to me. Also, I remember that during the 1980s and 1990s, he was regularly vilified as a “pro-Soviet apologist” by Neocon-types, and he’s currently been purged from the MSM for supposedly being “a pro-Russian lackey.” He’s also sharply left-leaning, and his wife has been the longtime publisher of the leftwing Nation.

    On one of his recent broadcasts, Cohen seemed to praise Conquest as a great scholar and seemingly an objective one. I’m not a Russia expert so I can’t really evaluate Conquest, but Cohen certainly is, and I’d give considerable weight to his opinion.

    在我看来,如果普京和科恩似乎都同意索尔仁尼琴/征服所呈现的斯大林主义历史,他们可能不一定是正确的,但这可能是我个人打赌的方式……

    https://www.unz.com/scohen/why-are-we-in-ukraine/?showcomments#comment-3563168

    • 回复: @Mikhail
    , @Avery
    , @L.K
  227. @Stan d Mute

    The fact that UR has a range of perspectives is its whole appeal but apparently many conservatives need an echo chamber like blue check liberals. Ron is in many respects fulfilling what Counterpunch and Alex Cockburn once did, though i wish more people on the left would be willing to submit material to UR. I’ve taken a lot of heat for doing so.

  228. @FB

    And I suppose you were there, taking notes? Or maybe you just figure that the same liars who are pulling you by the nose today are 100 percent reliable with their fables from the Cold War?

    So you are denying that the Soviet famine happened?

    Are you going to argue that the 5 year plan was a success?

    Here is an article from the left-wing Atlantic on how Stalin tried to hide it all:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/red-famine-anne-applebaum-ukraine-soviet-union/542610/

    So this is all just capitalist propaganda?

    Ok Comrade. Nothing says RESOUNDING ECONOMIC SUCCESS like sending people to gulags for reporting grain shortages.

  229. Alfred 说:
    @fayez chergui

    Max Parry should read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn book

    The book is almost unobtainable – \$169.99 and in Russian. It has never been translated to English or French or German. I suspect the copyright was bought up by some Jew.

    一起两百年

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
    • 哈哈: soll
    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @FrankK
  230. If you ignore the famine, Stalinism, the brutality of the NKVD, the random executions, the suppression of political and religious leaders, the elimination of the free press, the gulags, the lysnko period, the elimination of free movement, the mafia like structure of the party, the burdening bureaucracy and all the assorted economic failures it really wasn’t such a bad place.

    Let’s give it another try!!! For the people!!!!

  231. Alfred 说:
    @The_seventh_shape

    你能告诉我们索尔仁尼琴名言的来源吗?

    当然是俄语。 下面是一个链接

    这是他用俄语说的:

    “Вы должны понять, что ведущие большевики, которые захватили Россию, не были русскими.”

    这是谷歌翻译:

    “You must understand that the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians.”

    “They hated the Russians.

    他们憎恨基督徒。

    在民族仇恨的驱使下,他们毫无悔意地折磨并杀害了数百万俄罗斯人。 它不能被夸大。

    布尔什维克主义犯下了有史以来最大规模的人类屠杀。

    The fact that much of the world is ignorant and indifferent to this huge crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of criminals. ”

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn”

    https://maxpark.com/community/8211/content/6735293

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  232. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    Not really. Back in the late 1970s/1980s when I was interested in Soviet history, I think the standard narrative among Western Sovietologists was that something like 30-35 million people had been killed under the Lenin and Stalin, through executions, the gulag, and the famines. But I think that after the archives were opened, those estimate turned out to be greatly exaggerated and the standard figure today is around 20 million, which is still a pretty big number.

    Back then, the figure was put at around 20-25 million. Now, c/o released documents, there’s more credence given to the view of a figure ranging to half to less than half that scope.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  233. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    \$20 million in 1917 is equivalent to ~\$450 million in today’s dollars.

    Not really…the best comparison is probably with the typical daily wages of that era, which were roughly 100x lower than today.

    So \$20 million in 1917 would probably correspond with \$2 billion in current dollars..

    Well, Mr Unz seems to be fond of making ‘factual’ claims without offering any evidence–and curiously aligned with the mainstream propaganda that ordinary folks are not doing so badly.

    Which is what his claim that wages have risen a lot more than prices amounts to [hundred fold increase in wages, and only 20-fold increase in prices since 1915].

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    But let’s look at wages in 1915 shall we, and see if this holds up. In 1914 Henry Ford DOUBLED factory wages to five dollars a day, for an eight hour workday.

    CPI calculator on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website, that five dollar daily wage in January 1915 has the purchasing power of about 130 dollars in December 2020. That would be a weekly wage of \$650 in today’s world.

    Again from the BLS, the median weekly earnings of the 117 million or so full-time wage and salary earners was \$917. That is only 40百分比更高 than the Ford factory worker in 1914, and that figure from today also includes supervisors and skilled technicians, tool and die makers and the like.

    If we scroll down that long list of occupations we get to a similar work-skill level with ‘Electrical, electronics, and electromechanical assemblers’ who only earned \$644 a week in 2019, LESS than a Ford factory worker in 1914.

    Mr Unz cites a certain ‘author’ Sean McMeekin as the source of his ‘100 to 1’ dollar increase in wages since 1915. Rather than investigate this obviously empty figure, Mr Unz simply accepts it as received wisdom.

    Clearly the idea that wages have increased 100-fold, while prices have increased only 20-fold is nonsensical and easily disproved. What’s even more worrisome about Mr Unz’s claim is that it aligns perfectly with garbage that we see in the MSM that seeks to pull the wool over people’s eyes and convince them that wages have indeed gone up much more than prices.

    For instance this tripe in the rag US News and World Report: A Glimpse at Your Expenses 100 Years Ago: Everything costs much less – but, of course, you also earned a lot less.

    This ‘writer’ tells us that take-home pay is a lot higher today, even adjusted for inflation:

    Census Bureau data show that the median 家庭 income, measured from 2009 to 2013 (the most recent data available), is \$53,046. Back in 1915, two years after income tax came on the scene, you were doing about average if you were making \$687 a year, according to the Census.

    I guess this clown thinks that nobody will notice that HOUSEHOLD income almost universally includes TWO [or even more] wage earners. How many households in 1915 had the woman and possibly a kid or two working full time, or even part time?

    And also omitted here is that his ‘median income’ includes also the MANAGEMENT AND PROFESSIONAL earners, like bankers, doctors, engineers etc.

    This is the level of absolutely ridiculous propaganda that is being foisted on the working people. Unfortunately, the average dolt reads this and figures he is now quite well informed and even elucidated about the facts of life. Plus he draws on the well known ‘facts’ about how ‘terrible’ socialism is, so he goes off and breathes a deep sigh of relief and gratitude about how swell things are for him.

    Kind of remarkable that Mr Unz has aligned himself squarely with these enemies of the people who seek to obfuscate the TRUE FACTS about economic life in the capitalist paradise.

    • 回复: @nokangaroos
    , @Ron Unz
  234. @John Johnson

    Hitler was essentially goaded into his attack on Poland by a combination of British chicanery and Polish obstinance. Britain, under strict Rottenchild guidance and the shenanigans of Lord Halifax, essentially gave Poland a guarantee that if they got involved with the Germans, the British would declare war on Berlin. That offer encouraged some of the most extremely nationalist elements within Poland to (l. reject German requests that would enable them to transit through the narrow Polish Corridor with railway and autobahn connections to the primarily German city of Danzig and (2. begin a project of arresting many of the approximately one million ethnic Germans within the Versailles borders drawn up by. mainly the British and French in 1919.

    Arrests, deportations and even murders were terrorizing those Germans who had lived in places like Posen. Those people pleaded for relief by the Berlin regime and for surcease by the increasingly belligerent Poles. But the terror continued.

    All these problems hearken back to that damnable Treaty of Versailles by those “victors” who never would have defeated the Central Powers, without the connivance of the blackmailed U\$ President Woodrow Wilson, who campaigned for re-election in 1916 under the slogan: “He Kept us out of the War”.

    Yeah, sure. Within a few scant weeks of his 1917 Inauguration, Wilson promptly appeared before a joint session of Congre\$\$ demanding war. Only Congresswoman Jeannette Rankin of Montana had the tits to vote NO. Without American intervention the exhausted and war-weary Brits and French would have succumbed to the Ludendorff Offensive in the Spring of 1918 and the Great War would have had a radically different outcome.

    Creation of Czechoslovakia with the inclusion of the heavily ethnic German Sudetenland resulted in the ultimate German occupation of that artificially constructed nation in 1938. A Poland which included lands primarily occupied by ethnic Germans, was also ultimately a bad decision. Although the Czechs, the Slovaks and the Poles deserved their own national independence, that could have been accomplished without the presence of areas which were predominantly long-settled by Germanics.

    Hitler got caught up in his ultra-nationalist crusade and transgressed some boundaries. But that set of moves was not without cause. We need to go behind the scenes to determine who it was that deliberately provided the German nation with what they felt to be a casus belli.

    In the estimation of numerous spelunkers into hidden history, World War Two was inevitable and was set up to destroy the primacy of the German nation in Continental European affairs and to further the schemes of the Sanhedrin’s 2,500 year plans for Judeocratic world domination.

  235. @Majority of One

    All the more reason to read my previous comment: As I hit “print” a little greyed-in box appeared with the following admonition: “This comment was marked as SPAM”. (CAPS mine) Following the injunction, in light blue appeared the word “close”.

    Some months back, having then also let a covey of cats out of the bag, I fell for that ruse. Not this time. On returning to the site, the commentary duly appeared. It was obviously NOT blocked by Mr. Unz or his people. So who did it? Your guesses are hereby solicited.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  236. Al those millions of dead Russians is only in the mind of “scholars”
    It is totally contradictory with psychology of the masses.
    People take executions and disappearances seriously. And the rumors spread among people faster than covid.
    People do not like to be executed. So they comply very quickly.
    Communists treated poor people with utmost respect. And majority of Russian people were dirt poor.
    And most of the people were brainwashed with Marxist Communist propaganda anyway.
    So I do have to ask who were those 20 million people?
    There were no 20 million people off nobility, owners of factories, and big landowners.
    I sooner believe in fairy tales than that nonsense
    .....................................................
    People tend to believe if something is written in book than it is automatically truth.

    I can understand this reasoning.
    In Russian revolution there were 20 to 40 million people killed and all were killed by evil Jews
    For Gods sake give me a break.
    It is no different then Jewish claim that Nacis did kil 6 million Jews .

    It is propaganda and nothing else.

    • 同意: FB
    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF
  237. @FB

    I have a little more faith than you do in the people who take their time to post their thoughts and opinions here.

  238. @FB

    The gold price (\$20/troy ounce then, ~\$1960 now) backs Mr. Unz
    and his ~100x multiplier … and without any numbers games 😉

    • 谢谢: Ron Unz
    • 回复: @FB
    , @Lot
  239. geokat62 说:
    @geokat62

    If, however, you reference Ron Unz’s comment #81, he makes the 有效点 that wage inflation (100 to 1) was much higher than CPI.

    Was it valid, Ron? It appears the validity of your assertion is being vigorously impugned.

    I trust your dusting off your copy of Sean McMeekin’s “excellent book” to brush up on the rationale for the 100-to-1 ratio he proposed?

    Look forward to your defence of your assertion.

  240. Ron Unz 说:
    @FB

    Which is what his claim that wages have risen a lot more than prices amounts to [hundred fold increase in wages, and only 20-fold increase in prices since 1915]…

    For instance this tripe in the rag US News and World Report: A Glimpse at Your Expenses 100 Years Ago: Everything costs much less – but, of course, you also earned a lot less.

    This ‘writer’ tells us that take-home pay is a lot higher today, even adjusted for inflation:

    Census Bureau data show that the median household income, measured from 2009 to 2013 (the most recent data available), is \$53,046. Back in 1915, two years after income tax came on the scene, you were doing about average if you were making \$687 a year, according to the Census.

    Actually, you yourself just cited the figures that roughly confirmed my claim…

    According to the US Census, American median household income rose by a factor of 77 over roughly the last 100 years. So that would be the approximate deflator you would use in deciding how much you would have to pay someone to work for you, or as a stipend to support their “revolutionary activities.” I’d think that bribes would probably tend to use the same deflator.

    Obviously, I was speaking rather loosely, and since wives rarely held jobs back then, the appropriate figure is household income rather than wages. Also, I was using a factor of 100 rather than the factor of 77 you located. And those are obviously the figures for America, and the corresponding ones for Russia might have been considerably different, with US dollars probably going much further in Russia and largely making up the difference between 77x and 100x.

    But the key issue is that the relative impact of spending \$20 million supporting revolutionary activities in Russia a hundred years ago was probably much more like \$2 billion today rather than just \$450 million.

    Anyway, I’d worked out these issues myself at the time and then had been quite pleased to see that Prof. Sean McMeekin had used similar ratios in his excellent book on the Russian Revolution.

    • 回复: @FB
  241. Ron Unz 说:
    @Majority of One

    As I hit “print” a little greyed-in box appeared with the following admonition: “This comment was marked as SPAM”. (CAPS mine) Following the injunction, in light blue appeared the word “close”…On returning to the site, the commentary duly appeared. It was obviously NOT blocked by Mr. Unz or his people. So who did it? Your guesses are hereby solicited.

    We use a standard third-party spam filter, which sometimes is “over aggressive,” especially when the comment contains certain controversial words. Therefore, I built some additional software that unspams such comments when they seem to be alright.

  242. The comment section seems to be thoroughly infested with leftists and Bolshevik apologists supporting and defending the absurdity that the author has written. They are all promoting what is now being taught in academia more and more. Take note. This garbage will be the the standard Soviet history in the popular American psyche in the next couple decades. They had to wait for all the Slavic victims of the U.S.S.R. teaching in academia to die and their works and memoirs forgotten. Also, the contemporary political and social climate is perfect for the dissemination of fallacy.

  243. Ron: Thank you for responding. To some degree it answers my query. That said, much of my time was wasted on two occasions when I moused on “close”. Perhaps that monosyllabic word should not be included in their box—if, indeed, that was the case.

  244. Ron Unz 说:
    @geokat62

    Not so. If you go strictly by CPI, it is roughly \$450 million…If, however, you reference Ron Unz’s comment #81, he makes the valid point that wage inflation (100 to 1) was much higher than CPI.

    The problem with using the standard CPI is that it’s incredibly variable based upon the goods or services being purchases.

    Consider basic antibiotics, which are today dirt-cheap. A hundred years ago, Queen Victoria probably would have given half her wealth for a supply, given how many of family members died from illnesses.

    A simple laptop today is more powerful than huge mainstream computers worth hundreds of millions of dollars a few decades ago.

    So I think the best way of assessing the impact of Schiff’s \$20 million depends upon what how it was spent. My guess would have been mostly stipends to support revolutionaries and on bribes, and those items probably roughly track with the wage-income of ordinary workers.

    • 回复: @Not Only Wrathful
  245. geokat62 说:

  246. Bazouka 说:
    @Magylson

    In 1918 the Bolsheviks were primarily made up of Vladimir Lenin (born Goldman, his mother’s maiden surname Blank), Yakov Sverdlov, Moisey Uritsky, Grigory Zinoviev (born Hirsch Apfelbaum, known also under the name Ovsei-Gershon Aronovich Radomyslsky), Sergey Gusev (Yakov Davidovich Drabkin), and Felix Dzerzhinsky: All were Jewish and spoke fluent Yiddish.

  247. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Ron Unz

    Obviously, I was speaking rather loosely…

    Yeah, I guess so, lol.

    …and since wives rarely held jobs back then, the 适当 figure is household income rather than wages.

    Well, that is pretty funny. So now it’s ‘appropriate’ to count one person as TWO? Try that at the movie theater and see what they say when you tell them that one ticket is perfectly sufficient for you and your companion because…well, 1915…and Sean McMeekin…blah blah…

    Yeah, no…I don’t think so.

    [更多]

    And even sidestepping the pretzel logic [if that’s even possible at this point, lol], you are telling the good folks here, that it’s perfectly fine that TWO workers today = ONE worker in 1915?

    Simply to make your ridiculous number jumble come out at least closish [sort of].

    But, let’s completely put your foolish assertion to bed, shall we?

    How many folks had ZERO annual income in 1915? That would be at least half the population that lived from subsistence farming, that earned almost nothing in terms of actual cash.

    How does that affect the ‘mean’ and ‘average’ income figure from 1915, stated as about 700 dollars a year by that ridiculous fake news article I cited?

    It would be the same as simply 擦除 the 117 million folks that are salary and wage earners, and counting only the 50 million that are in management and professions.

    The point being that not counting the huge subsistence farming population of the day makes that 700 dollars a year figure meaningless.

    Other factors along that line are that professionals like doctors and lawyers as well as business owners would not be counted either; they had their own practices and shops or whatever. Thus that ‘average’ income in 1915 looks completely unrealistic at this point, doesn’t it?

    No, I’m afraid the math is against you. Again from the BLS weekly earnings data from 2019:

    Let’s look at one of the largest subsets in that list of occupations, ‘Service occupations’ with about 16.5 million folks. [After all, we’re definitely enjoying the benefits of that mighty ‘service economy’ now aren’t we?]

    This entire SECTOR has a median income today of just 592 dollars a week, which is 50 dollars less than the Ford assembly line worker’s wage adjusted simply for price inflation.

    In order for your math to work out, it would require that the 1915 worker to earn just five dollars a WEEK, not \$5 a day as he did in fact do. Heck even if we accept your pretzel logic that 2 = 1, then the factory worker of the day would still be earning LESS THAN HALF of what he actually did.

    Anyway, I’d worked out these issues myself at the time and then had been quite pleased to see that Prof. Sean McMeekin had used similar ratios…

    Glad to hear it. Maybe you can share some of your ‘worksheets’ with us where your ‘numbers’ actually have anything to do with reality?

    • 同意: Jazman
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  248. @Mikhail

    None of those numbers are even remotely possible if you examine readily available USSR population statistics. The only dip occurs during WWII based on their casualties.

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  249. @Ron Unz

    The most apt comparison of the loan Schiff made in 1917 to the Kerensky government, a heartfelt contribution perhaps because of the emancipation of the Jews, would be to the loan he organised for the Japanese in 1904. This was for \$200 million and so rather more than the \$20 million.

    Regardless, important American Jews seem to have been very anti-Bolshevik, even if many who were rising from urban proletarianism were not.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Anti-Bolshevism_during_the_Russian_Revolution

    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @Majority of One
  250. Levtraro 说:
    @Cyrano

    正如你所争论的,也许共产主义确实比资本主义有助于更快更好地发展俄罗斯。 今天,发展最快的国家是共产主义共和国。 可能国家采取的风格不如发展规划的质量和人力资源的可用性来有效地实现这些计划重要。

    • 回复: @Mikhail
  251. Levtraro 说:
    @Andrei

    … in time, socialist countries veer toward nationalism and Jews gradually lose power, whereas in capitalist societies, the opposite is true. Gentiles simply can’t compete with the Jewish talent for making money as well as their forming strong ethnic bonds. So in a capitalist society, Jews will just inevitably accumulate more and more power and become more difficult to dislodge from the top.

    That is an interesting argument but the fact is Jews have been expelled many times from non-socialist countries. So capitalist countries may accumulate jews in high positions over time because of what you say but then they may get rid of them in a rather abrupt manner, instead of gradually as per your thesis happens in socialist countries.

  252. Avery 说:
    @Ron Unz

    {“I’d say that Putin has better access to the old Soviet archives than I do……”}

    He definitely does, Ron.
    Better access than you, me, everybody else on this forum, everybody else in Russia,……

    But I think there may be a reason Putin praised Solzhenitsyn.
    My read is that Putin is deeply Russian nationalist deeply believing Russian Christian: he has no love for Lenin and his Bolshevik crew. (unsaid by him, but by implication for murdering a Christian Tsar and his entire family.)

    In the same vein, he readily admitted the Katin killing and blamed Stalin.

    Here is a video (in Russian) of Putin answering a question about Lenin.
    (my Russian is rudimentary, but he appears to be criticizing Lenin)

    [Putin: Lenin Was Not a Statesman, He Was a Bolshevik Revolutionary Who Made Anti-Russian Mistakes]

    [Russia: Putin attends midnight mass at ancient Novgorod church on Lipno island]

    Finally, I don’t believe Putin has publicly mentioned any figures of killed by Bolsheviks/Soviets. He has praised Solzhenitsyn, but that does not necessarily mean Putin believes or disbelieves Solzhenitsyn’s figures.

  253. @Alfred

    Jews do not hate anybody. Jews do not hate goy’s. They have contempt for them, but they do not hate them.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  254. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @nokangaroos

    And the price of an ounce of gold was 35 dollars up to 1971. Does that mean that people earn 60 times as much today as they earned in 1971?

    …without any numbers games…

    Numbers are important. Start by counting your fingers, and you’ll soon be zooming to the head of the pack.

    • 回复: @nokangaroos
  255. Seraphim 说:
    @Alfred

    It is not ‘unobtainable’. It is banned! Solzhenitsyn is under ‘cherem’. Why all the ‘correctors’ of the history of ‘Russian’ revolution, feel compelled to curse him (and Dostoevski) at every turn?

    • 同意: Alfred
  256. The hammer and sickle is a symbol that represents proletarian solidarity – a union between the peasantry and working-class. The hammer represents the workers and the sickle represents the peasants. Of course proletarian solidarity is the secret goal of all International Jewish bankers. LOL

    Bolshevik Symbology 101: know your Jewish Saturn-worshiping occult sigils:

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF
    • 哈哈: soll
  257. Seraphim 说:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    The Statments of the American Jewish Committee in regards to its position towards Bolshevism, makes for interesting reading.
    In 1918 Jacob Schiff wrote to Louis Marshall, leader of the Committee:
    ””dark days may indeed be in store for our coreligionists in Russia. But what is even worse, the danger exists even in our own country, that this TALE of the Jews being back of the Bolshevik movement… may find CONSIDERABLE credence, which if we can, we should prevent.”
    The Committee issued this statement, “The Jews and the Bolshevik Party”:

    ”The Executive Committee of the American Jewish Committee deem it a duty to associate themselves most closely with the view of the Secretary of State and to express their horror and detestation of the mob tyranny incompatible with the ideas of a republican democracy which is now exercised by the Bolshevik government as being destructive of life, property and the political and personal rights of the individual. … All those political parties which sought to bring about reforms in Russia DREW MUCH OF THEIR STRENGTH AND INTELLECT FROM AMONG THE JEWS, who had the MOST TO GAIN from any amelioration of the political system. Jews were as prominent among the conservative reforms parties, such as the Cadets, as among the extreme radicals. …The Lenin-Trotsky Cabinet has SEVERAL members of Jewish ancestry…which led to the erroneous assumption that the Jews of Russia were identified with this bloodthirsty and irresponsible group. The Jews of Russia in overwhelming proportion are not in sympathy with the doctrines and much less with the methods of the Bolsheviki. Lenin has said of the Bund, which is a radical labor organization composed of Jews that they are worse that the Cadets. There are insistent reports that in many localities Jews are the victims of outrages at the hands of the Bolsheviki as bad if not worse than those suffered at the hands of the autocratic government….The Committee are profoundly appreciative of the fact that one of the first acts of the Russian people after the Revolution was the emancipation of the five million Jews of Russia. They would, therefore, regards as a great calamity both to the Jews of Russia and to the future of Russia itself, the GENERAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ERRONEOUS IDEA THAT THE JEWS OF RUSSIA, AS SUCH, CONTENANCE THE MISDEEDS OF THE BOLSHEVIKI. While there are Jews identified with the Bolsheviki movement, this is merely because Jews are affiliated with all parties in Russia. …It is as unjust and unreasonable to infer from the PROMINENCE OF SOME INDIVIDUALS JEWS IN THE BOLSHEVIK PARTY that the Jews of Russia subscribe to it, as to infer the contrary from the isolated fact that a Jewish girl attempted to assassinate Lenin. Such an inference if generally accepted would be eagerly seized upon by the REACTIONARY ELEMENTS OF RUSSIA WHO WOULD ONCE AGAIN MAKE OF THE JEWS A SCAPEGOAT FOR ALL THE WRONG SUFFERED BY RUSSIA BECAUSE OF THE BOLSHEVIK MISRULE. As the main body of the Jews are ranged on the side of law and order in Russia, this would be a great calamity and would help to defer the realization of the hopes of those who are working for the early creation in Russia of an orderly, democratic government”.

    and how you prevent that? By forbidding to talk about it and declaring that all is ‘reactionary’ propaganda and lies.

    • 谢谢: Alfred
    • 回复: @anon
  258. L.K 说:
    @Max Parry

    Looking at your ridiculous reply to Unz, its clear that you have nothing to offer beyond fact-free haughtiness. You are an obvious hack.

    No, we don’t need “William Randolph Hearst’s yellow press”.
    For the RECORD:
    A leading Russian historian of the Stalinist period, Oleg Khlevniuk, a senior researcher at the State Archive of the Russian Federation in Moscow, wrote in his book “Stalin: new biography of a dictator”, regarding the victims of the regime:

    1930 年至 1952 年间,约有 20 万人被判处劳改营、流放地或监狱监禁。 在同一时期,不少于6万人,主要是“富农”和“被压迫人民”的成员被“行政流放”:被迫重新安置到苏联偏远地区。 平均而言,在斯大林统治的1多年中,每年有XNUMX万人被枪杀,监禁或驱逐到苏联几乎不宜居住的地区。
    ...
    此外,除了26万人被枪击,监禁或内部流放外,还有数千万人被迫从事困难而危险的项目,被捕,被长期监禁而无罪,被开除工作或被驱逐出境。成为“人民仇敌”亲戚的家园。 总体而言,斯大林专政使至少60万人遭受某种“硬”或“软”压制和歧视。

    除了这个数字之外,我们还必须加上周期性饥荒或饥饿的受害者,仅在 1932 年至 1933 年期间,它们就夺走了 5 到 7 万人的生命。 斯大林主义的饥荒主要是政治决定的结果。 在打击农民反对集体化的运动中,斯大林主义政府利用饥荒作为“惩罚”农村的手段。 所有缓解这种情况的机会——比如在国外购买粮食——都被拒绝了。 饥饿村庄的最后一批食物被没收.

    Soviet General Dmitri Volkogonov, who was Director of the Institute for Military History and had unrivalled access to Soviet military archives, Communist Party documents and secret presidential files, wrote in “Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy”:

    “再说一遍:农业经济的重组本可以完全实现,而无需诉诸于规模和后果都超过 1937-38 年镇压的恐怖和悲剧。 不用说,在这两种情况下,使用武力都是犯罪行为。 成功地“消灭富农阶级”增强了斯大林对自己作为独裁者的信心,他毫不犹豫地消灭了所有曾经或可能仍然反对他的人。 …

    斯大林的强制“土地革命”使苏联农业陷入数十年的停滞。 夺去数百万人生命的血腥实验给这个国家带来了无解设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    在另一本书《帝国的尸检:建立苏联政权的七位领导人》中,沃尔科戈诺夫将军指出,在 1929 年至 1953 年间,苏联政权造成了 21.5 万苏联人的死亡。

    斯大林在地球表面留下的痕迹是无法轻易抹去的。 无论是数以千计的斯大林风格建筑,运河、高速公路、高炉、矿山和工厂——在很大程度上是由他的古拉格的数百万匿名囚犯的奴隶劳动建造的——还是核武器,他的踪迹都浸透了在血液中。

    1929 年至 1953 年间,由列宁创建并由斯大林启动的国家剥夺了 21.5 万苏联公民的生命。 历史上没有人对自己的人民发动过这样的战争。

    资料来源:德米特里沃尔科戈诺夫。 帝国尸检:建立苏联政权的七位领导人。 第 139 页

    • 谢谢: RedpilledAF, Alfred
    • 回复: @ivan
  259. L.K 说:
    @Max Parry

    The same leading Russian historian of the Stalinist period, Oleg Khlevniuk, discusses the issue of Stalinist apologists in Russia, and interestingly how a subset of them makes use of Stalinist apologia developed in the WEST… Hmmm… I don’t mean you, of course, since you are just a low level hack… Here’s an excerpt:

    另一方面,在今天的俄罗斯,斯大林的形象主要是由伪学术的道歉塑造的。 各种各样的作家都有自己的动机,为斯大林主义的神话做出了贡献。 这些作者中的大多数将缺乏最基本的知识与愿意做出大胆断言相结合。 他们的道歉通常引用捏造的消息来源或无耻地歪曲真实的消息来源。 …

    斯大林的辩护者不再像以前那样试图否认他政权的罪行。 相反,他们诉诸于更微妙的历史改写。 在他们对事件的描述中,秘密警察首长和地区党委书记等低级官员据称对斯大林隐瞒了他们的行为,煽动了大规模镇压。 最愤世嫉俗的斯大林主义者采取不同的策略,声称恐怖是正义的,在斯大林的命令下被摧毁的数百万人确实是“人民的敌人”。

    Many Russian Stalinists find it convenient to draw on theories developed by various Western historians: that the Terror developed spontaneously, that Stalin was not deeply involved in it, and that he was a far more “ordinary” political leader than usually thought. …
    在俄罗斯的知识和政治土壤中广泛培养的一种道歉是“现代化斯大林主义”的相对温和的思想。 虽然这种意识形态正式承认恐怖袭击的无数受害者和为“大跃进”战略付出的高昂代价,但它认为斯大林主义是解决现代化和备战需要的有机和不可避免的手段。 …

    It would be wrong to deny that the “long waves” of Russian history helped shape the path toward Bolshevism and Stalinism. A strong state with authoritarian traditions, feeble private property and civil society institutions, and the colossal reach of a colonizing power that enabled, among other things, the creation of the Gulag Archipelago, all paved the way toward the Stalinist system. But elevating these factors to some sort of “Russian destiny” leads to the dead-end theory of “inevitable Stalinism.” Adherents of this theory have little interest in specific facts and prefer to recycle Stalinist interpretations of Soviet history, sometimes with a fresh twist, more often without. They adamantly dismiss questions about the price paid for transformations and military victories, alternative development paths, and the role of the dictator. …
    They do not even try to explain how the executions of seven hundred thousand people in 1937–1938 alone, ordered by Stalin, served the goals of modernization. Overall, the theory of modernizing Stalinism makes no serious attempt to ascertain how effective the Stalinist system was or to evaluate Stalin’s own role in the development of the USSR from the 1920s to the early 1950s.

    SOURCE: Stalin: new biography of a dictator

    • 同意: Seraphim
    • 回复: @ivan
  260. @Majority of One

    希特勒基本上是被英国的诡计和波兰的顽固结合起来攻击波兰。
    ...
    捷克斯洛伐克的建立以及包含重民族德意志苏台德地区的内容导致德国在 1938 年最终占领了这个人工建造的国家。

    当他们给他 Sudentenland 时,英国的诡计将如何成为原因? 然后希特勒决定采取所有捷克斯洛伐克和英国不情愿地努力防止战争。

    Hitler never wanted to give the Poles a fair deal which is why he split Poland with Stalin. The Germans and especially Hitler were insulted by the existence of Poland. They viewed it as an artificial creation and that Poles were destined to be slaves to Germans. Hitler didn’t care at all about Poland’s history of fighting Communists and Muslims. Hitler was just a warmonger looking for excuses. He may have gone after German communists early on but by his actions was more interested in war than fighting the left.

    包括主要由德国人占领的土地的波兰最终也是一个错误的决定。

    哦,希特勒只是打算夺取这些土地吗?

    不,他计划将波兰从地图上抹去并杀死数百万斯拉夫人。 完整的 Generalplan Ost 包括让大部分斯拉夫城市挨饿的计划。 他们已经在列宁格勒开始了这个计划。 将妇女和儿童饿死作为政府政策,同时谴责犹太人不道德。 真正强大的逻辑有希特勒。

    在英国人介入之前,希特勒正在撰写关于从东方夺取 Lebensraum 的文章。 即使波兰人给了他一条走廊,他仍然会入侵。 他永远不会停止入侵。 巴巴罗萨行动是一场可怕的赌博,但他认为自己是走在某种神圣道路上的天才军阀。

    • 同意: Commentator Mike
    • 回复: @Alfred
    , @E_Perez
  261. Ron Unz 说:
    @FB

    Actually, according to the BLS, the median American male annual wage in 1915 was \$687, while something like \$343 for women.

    Meanwhile, in 2015 full-time male workers averaged \$50,383, with women at \$39,621.

    https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2016/article/the-life-of-american-workers-in-1915.htm

    Those numbers seem pretty roughly in the ballpark of the 100-to-1 ratio I was describing.

    I’m sick of wasting my time tracking down such almost irrelevant data, and I think it’s now your turn…

    You’ve stated that “millions” of Americans starved to death during the (unreported) Great American Famine of the 1930s. So I think you should now go away and not come back until you’ve either found some solid evidence to support such an astonishing claim, or are willing to admit that you were wrong…

    • 同意: RedpilledAF
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  262. L.K 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Hello Unz,
    Have you read Prof. Stephen Cohen’s “SOVIET FATES AND LOST ALTERNATIVES?” If not, recommended. It’s not about the Stalinist regime per se, but:

    Reexamining leaders from Nikolai Bukharin, Stalin’s preeminent opponent, and Nikita Khrushchev to Mikhail Gorbachev and his rival Yegor Ligachev, Cohen shows that their defeated policies were viable alternatives and that their tragic personal fates shaped the Soviet Union and Russia today.

    Nevertheless, Prof. Cohen makes it very clear the odious nature of the Stalin regime, and the enormity of the death toll.

    He also discusses the ambiguous attitude of Russia’s political elites in this connection. Excerpt:

    Most Western observers attributed favorable post-Soviet attitudes toward Stalin to the increasingly authoritarian rule of Vladimir Putin, the former KGB officer who became Russian president in 2000. In reality, though the phenomenon grew under Putin, most of its elements began in the 1990s, under Yeltsin. Foremost among them was the economic and social pain inflicted by “shock therapy,” which was the primary source of the pro-Stalin revival, and the decline of democratic practices after Yeltsin destroyed a popularly elected parliament with tanks and mortgaged the country’s future to a new oligarchical elite based on pillaged state property.
    Nor was anti-Stalinism suppressed under Putin. Access to relevant archives, though somewhat more limited, continued, at least in those where I worked; thick volumes of previously unknown terror-era documents were published; the number of local Gulag monuments and exhibits grew; the renamed KGB (FSB), carrying on a practice started under Gorbachev, met with and even honored a number of its former victims; films based on popular anti-Stalinist novels, including Solzhenitsyn’s The First Circle and Anatoly Rybakov’s Children of the Arbat, were made for and shown on state-controlled television; and an international conference on the Stalinist terror was held in Moscow in December 2008.142

    Indeed, Putin’s own role in this regard was contradictory. On the one hand, he made highly publicized statements supporting a new textbook that gave an almost entirely favorable picture of the Stalinist 1930s as a decade of “mobilization” and “modernization” and of Stalin himself as an indispensable leader to whom there had been no real alternative. On the other hand, one of Putin’s first acts as president was to authorize an expanded official investigation of Stalin-era crimes. And two of his last acts as president, in 2007, the seventieth anniversary of the peak of the Great Terror, were to personally present an award to Solzhenitsyn, who still personified the Gulag fate of millions, and to attend a commemoration of Stalin’s victims at an infamous NKVD killing field and burial site, the first such appearance ever by a Russian (or Soviet) leader.143 When Solzhenitsyn died in 2008, the government, now headed by Putin and the new president Dmitri Medvedev, gave him the equivalent of a state funeral and adopted measures to memorialize his life.
    The contradiction in Putin’s behavior reflected the still profound division in Russia’s political elite and society over the Stalinist past.

    • 回复: @ivan
  263. ivan 说:
    @L.K

    Thank you. This is such an obvious point of history. The Communists throughout the world were feared not because they were Agrarian Reformers in a hurry, but because they were when worked to a revolutionary fervour, mass killers.

    • 同意: Seraphim
  264. ivan 说:
    @L.K

    Absolutely spot on comment from Khlevniuk. There was nothing inevitable in Stalinism. It was not in the “Russian character”, that mass camps and reeducation should be the norm. Rather it was “War Communism”, the permanent state of a siege mentality : That the rest of the world is against us, that we have to do whatever it takes to secure Our Revolution which excuses every crime, every genocide, and all propaganda.

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  265. ivan 说:
    @L.K

    Putin can’t fully repudiate Stalin, since according to received history it was only Stalin who could have turned the Soviet Union into a superpower and fight the Nazis to the bitter end.

    But any cursory look at the development of the modern industrial economy would show that the Russians had all the endowments to inevitably become a superpower rivalling the United States by the the end of the 19th century. They did not have to go abroad in search of oil, coal, water, uranium or fertile lands. They had ’em all. Such figures as Stolypin could have delivered the 3 to 4% growth rate that would have brought Russia up to the standard of living of the British and Americans.

    It was partly fear of the Russian potential, that drove the German Staff to prepare for war with the Tsar and to “inject the sealed bacillus of Boshevism” (in Churchill’s phrase) into a Russia that was prostrate during WW1.

    Great Britain during her rise to power in the 19th century was supposed to have been growing at around 2% since the start of the Industrial Revolution. But that was sufficient to make her leading cities the envy of the world.

    Higher growth rates than that could have been delivered by Sergei Witte or Stolypin with their eyes closed. But out Red and Gold friends were unhappy with that. Hence all the nonsense about Tsarist Russia, as though there were no poor and ignorant people in other countries, and of course their mastery of the art of the assassination as a tool of radical politics.

    • 同意: Alfred, Seraphim
    • 回复: @Mikhail
  266. @FB

    I admit to a certain faible for elegant shortcuts (like C. F. Gauß 😛 ).

    Gold was cheap in 1915 (what with Alaska and the Rand fully online)
    i.e. the \$\$\$ was overvalued; a skilled worker earned \$2/day, in terms of gold about as much as now – or roughly three times the European and again somewhat more than the Russian wage.
    \$400 (unknown benefactor) was a load of moolah to Hitler in the 20s.
    After WW II the States formerly known as United ruled supreme, largely because all the competition was bombed flat (thence their periodic fantasies of recreating Paradise).
    The “closing of the gold window” was just the admission that the 错觉 of value could no longer be upkept, and no one disputes 真实 wages have stagnated at least since then.

    (Gold has dynamics of its own but discoveries and grades are dwindling and price has to be kept down artificially)

    Given all the above IMHO the factor of 100x is, if anything, conservative.

    • 回复: @nokangaroos
  267. @Alfred

    There have been persistent rumours Wissarion Dshugashvili, a serf of the Princes Eristoshvili (of vodka fame), was forced to marry Mama Joe after she had been knocked up by her Jewish employer; impossible to check, but would neatly explain why she relegated her firstborn to the seminary.
    At minimum he doesn´t look Ossetian.

    – The source neglects to mention Zhadow (as Zhidow would have been too painfully obvious 😀 ).

    • 同意: Alfred
  268. John Doran 说:

    A different perspective is that of WWII Canadian naval intelligence officer William Guy Carr in his 1955 book, Pawns In The Game. Carr claims that a gang of Banksters funded the Bolshevik Revolution to the tune of \$50,000,000, via Kuhn Loeb. (Chapter 9).

    Carr traces back to the English Civil War, funded by “European financiers” & to the French Revolution, funded by Banksters. Also he connects to Rothschild meeting 12 ‘pals’, Frankfurt 1773, to plot global domination. ( Chapter 3).

    Book can be read free online: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net using the search box

  269. John Doran 说:

    The Banksters had hated the Romanov Tsar since he had sent 2 fleets to blockade US ports, thwarting the Bankster ambition of splitting the US in two at the falsely called US civil war.
    Hence the rabid slaughter of the Tsars family.

    G. Edward Griffin’s terrific book covers this well: The Creature From Jekyll Island.
    Chapter summaries can be read in about an hour.

    His website: needtoknow.news

    • 回复: @Hibernian
    , @Seraphim
  270. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Max Parry

    With some apparent credibility, it has been said that official USSR population stats at the time fudged the numbers for the purpose of offsetting the death toll resulting from famine, harsh work camp conditions and executions.

  271. Alfred 说:
    @John Johnson

    Hitler was just a warmonger looking for excuses

    The Poles certainly gave him ample excuses. What they did to Germans in East Prussia was a form of genocide.

    “Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to.” (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)

    • 回复: @John Johnson
  272. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @Levtraro

    Perhaps communism did help develop Russia faster and better than capitalism would have, as you argue. Today the fastest developing country is a communist republic.

    China has shown great growth after ditching a Marxist-Leninist path with Stalinist attributes, while giving some lip service to that past.

    Russia was on the verge of dramatic socioeconomic growth prior to the outbreak of WW I and the Bolshevik coup. There’s good reason to believe that had WW I started two years later (in 1916), Russia would’ve experienced that situation.

    Numerous talented Russians like Sikorsky fled the USSR. The Stalin era in the USSR saw some talented people sacrificed on the fear that they were too independent.

  273. annamaria 说:
    @Waitemata

    Russian ‘working class’ on the eve of the revolution was 6% (six percent). The country needed at least 20 more years to become industrialized (and thus ‘prepared’ for the Marxian kind of revolution).

    The whole Bolshevik affair was imposed on Russian civilization from abroad and with catastrophic results. The greatest tragedy was the extermination of the flower of the nation: the educated clergy, office corps, successful peasantry, merchants, entrepreneurs, and the Russian nobility. That was the extermination of the honest, honorable, cultured, patriotic, free-thinking people. That was the cultural and spiritual genocide of a nation; the genocide was led by the rootles and obnoxious thieves. The main revolutionary dealers had a rabid hatred towards everything Russian – the same kind of hatred that the global banking cabal has today. Milton Friedman and the likes had (and have) a clear talmudic agenda.

    Mr. Parry is a certifiably dishonest person in his attempts to reject, smooth, cover, deny, obfuscate the leading role of wealthy international Jewry, and local Jewish Russophobes, in the destruction of imperial Russia. The ongoing Wars for Israel should have given Mr. Parry a clue, but he does not want to cure his cognitive blindness.

    • 同意: nokangaroos
    • 巨魔: soll
    • 回复: @Malla
  274. annamaria 说:
    @FB

    “Russia went from being one of the most backward countries…”

    May I suggest you google the names of K. Tziolkovsky (first ever rocket), A.A. Markov (Markov chain, Markov blanket), V. Shukhov (pipelines, towers), D. Mendeleev (the Table), Moscow School of Mathematics (and before that, the pangeometry of Lobachevski), and a bunch of musicians, painters, architects, and composers who were the leading figures on the European fine-art stage during the Silver Age.
    Le Corbusier went to study in Russia; the Bauhaus movement was born in Russia, and so on, and so forth. Most important, you need to learn about Russian Zemstvos, the organizations of nobility that have created a vast network of schools and hospitals.

    Russia has been surviving thanks to her immense potential, and not because of some directives. If not for the murderous Bolshevik revolution, Russia would become the first-rate western state in a dozen years, as predicted by Stolypin, a Russian genius.

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  275. geokat62 说:

    Perhaps Max P could do us a favour and try separating truth from myth after viewing this documentary, Chekist(俄罗斯电影,英文字幕):

    描述:

    Srubov 是 CHEKA 的一部分,CHEKA 是列宁在布尔什维克革命后建立的秘密警察。 他们逮捕,审讯一分钟,十秒审判,处决知识分子、贵族、犹太人、神职人员和他们的家人。 在建筑物的地下室,五个人赤身裸体面对木门,一次被枪杀。 没有人记得他们的遗言; 没有烈士,只有匿名的尸体。 每天,袋鼠法庭,处决,尸体装载到货车上。 斯鲁博夫冷酷、疏远、性功能障碍,是一位深思熟虑的人,以前的朋友和家人都讨厌他。 当他试图推理革命的本质和契卡的目的时,他慢慢地发疯了。

  276. Ron Unz 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually, using the \$687 American figures from 1915 might be a bit of a distortion given that Henry Ford had doubled his workers’ wages to \$5/day in January 1914, and that had obviously had some ripple effects throughout industry. Meanwhile, Schiff’s money had probably mostly been spent in the years prior to that.

    For comparison and future reference, I’m linking a seemingly credible source of information on American Labor, 1875-1900:

    http://claver.gprep.org/sjochs/labor.htm

    According to this source, in 1900 most American industrial workers earned about \$500/year.

    And here’s a webpage purportedly listing various statistics about life in 1910:

    http://www.orangepower.com/threads/life-in-1910-100-years-ago.96681/

    It claims that the average worker back then earned between \$200 and \$400 per year, which might be reasonably consistent with the substantially higher 1915 figure for industrial workers.

    Overall, I think all of these figures (very roughly) tend to support the 100-to-1 ratio I was suggesting.

    • 谢谢: Maowasayali
  277. Malla 说:
    @annamaria

    Exactly, there is no way that the masses of a traditional peasant country like Russia would support an atheist revolution. This is total bullshit. I can understand them rising against the Tzar (doubtful too), against the aristocracy but no chance in hell would such a traditional agrarian country like Russia in 1917, rise against the Orthodox Church.
    And there is no way in hell that Working Class folks support a Globalist revolution (Worker’s of the World Unite). Working Class people and peasants tend to be connected to their soil with very little interest in the affairs of foreign lands and globalist ideologies. Such thinking is common among the rich and middle class intelligentsia snobs.
    If the Bolsheviks would have been theists/religious and non-globalists in outlook, maybe I could imagine the Russian masses supporting their revolution.
    The “revolution” was obviously imposed from abroad.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @JM
  278. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    This is similar to the French “Revolution” as well. I just cannot imagine, peasants in the traditional France of those days rising against the Catholic Church. Shit like that does happen. Period.
    I live in India, where we even today have traditional peasants. I can imagine them rising against some rich elites but never against Religion or traditions. The people in India most likely to oppose religion or support atheism are Westernised educated elites/ middle classes not traditional peasants. What is true for India today was true for places like France or Russia in those days.
    Many things about these “Revolutions” seem off.
    Things do not work like that as claimed by official “history”. A streetsmart street urchin in India would smell the bullshit in such official “history”, something which “educated” (we got a dose of brainwashing and a degree and a big ego and sheet…) snobbish fools can easily overlook.

    • 同意: nokangaroos, ivan
    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  279. Mikhail 说: • 您的网站
    @ivan

    In 1941, the Nazis saw the USSR as a negative example. The Soviet-Finnish War contributed partly to that view. In WW I, the Germans were clear minded enough to use Lenin. In WW II, Nazi ideological stupidity prevented them from better utilizing Vlasov.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    • 同意: ivan
    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  280. @Malla

    Are not Naxelites a communist movement popular with peasants in India? Perhaps Maoism made communism more attractive to the peasant class.

    • 回复: @Malla
  281. @annamaria

    Before Lenin Russia had no power grid. Everything was done by manual or animal power.
    There was no electrical light, People were lighting by candles or petroleum lamps.
    Lenin with his first 5 years plan created hydro works and electric power grid for major cities.
    Also Lenin created hydraulics engineers that are best in the world still today.
    Why Stolipin did not think about that?.
    Stolipin was nothing but regular asshole hanging peasants.

    • 巨魔: Mikhail
  282. @Zarathustra

    Also Lenin did hire droves of German Engineers and Technicians, and payed them with gold.
    Manual labor was done by Eager Russian workers.

    (I bet nobody have heard about this one)

    • 哈哈: Mikhail
    • 回复: @annamaria
  283. Malla 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Are not Naxelites a communist movement popular with peasants in India?

    Yes very true. But the Naxalites were popular more in the central heartland of India which has a lot of tribal population. Actually the main driver of the Maoist naxalite movement are poor jungle tribals who were exploited by super rich bloodsucking Indian oligarchs (close to the Indian Government for decades but especially this BJP Govt) and their mining companies strip mining Indian forests. Compare them to Amazon rainforest native Americans against mining and logging companies in the Amazon in Brazil.
    Also add to them lower caste villagers fighting injustice and exploitation at the hands of upper caste (non brahmin) elites like landlords castes (Thakurs) and warrior castes like Rajputs. They have a right winged army of their own against the Maoists like the Ranveer Sena, kind of like Columbia (FAARC Vs Right Winged paramilitaries) But ironically most of the leaders of Indian Communist parties are themselves upper caste including Brahmins.
    I doubt the Indian maoists really suppress religion among the masses, if they had they would not have been that popular. The truth is Indian tribals have a slightly different religion than most Hindus with their own unique Gods/nature worship. After all they were the guys who were never Aryanised or Vedicised. In India Brahmins would spread across the country and add the local primitive dieties into the Hindu mainstream pantheon as a form of a mainstream Hindu God or a brother/wife etc… of some mainstream Hindu dieties and absorb the people into Hinduism as some caste. That is one reason, why we have so many millions of Gods. The 3000 non upper caste jatis in mainstream Hindu society who never marry with each other may actually be the 3000 original tribes (from the female side) of India who were absorbed into a social superstructure by the invading/ migrating Aryans and Indus Valley Civilization folk who moved into the primitive black tribal interior of the subcontinent, from the North West millennia ago. Many tribals got left out of this process and are called adivasis (aboriginals). But as Christianity began to spread among the tribals like wildfire because of the work of Protestant missionaries, suddenly the Hindu organisations want to include the leftover tribals into mainstream Hinduism out of fear of the spread of Christianity. But the truth is missionaries have done many social work among the tribals, built schools, dispensaries etc… If they had not entered the field, most tribals would have been ignored by mainstream Hindus.
    But the reality on the ground is this (I have friends from these Maoist regions). The revolutionary Maoists run a protection racket from local businesses, go to villages give instant show trials to snichers to the Indian Govt, screw the villagers. Then appear the the Government forces (CRPF) who too screw the villagers. Basically the villagers are screwed by both sides, Govt forces screw them for information and the Moists punish them if they give any information to the Government forces. Both sides loot them if they could. Pretty screwed up life. Kind of similar to what happens/ used to happen in Peruvian villages in between Marxists and Government forces.

    • 同意: ivan
    • 谢谢: Commentator Mike
    • 回复: @JM
  284. annamaria 说:
    @Zarathustra

    You mean, the member of a family that had produced two terrorists was the savior of Russia?

    The electric grid works were trusted to Florensky, a mathematician and priest, and he was not alone to do the job. It is doubtful that you know this name; Florensky died in a concentration camp. Your ignorance of Russian history is on a par with Mr. Parry’s.

    Lenin has created nothing; he was an agent of Germany and collaborator with the Jewish banking cabal. Russian people have created the country’s wealth, and that was done with enormous sacrifices. These sacrifices could be avoided. Instead, thanks to Ulyanov-Blank and the terrorist regime-change known as the Bolshevik revolution, Russia suffered, for decades. the horrific red terror.

    Slandering the great Stolypin is cheap. Perhaps you even like Ehrenburg.

    I stand by mnt statement that “Russia has been surviving thanks to her immense potential… If not for the murderous Bolshevik revolution, Russia would become the first-rate western state in a dozen years, as predicted by Stolypin, a Russian genius.”

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  285. annamaria 说:
    @Zarathustra

    You mean, there was no manual labor in Germany and the US at the beginning of the 20th century?

    Yes, the working class in Russia was very small before the revolution, but the lack of engineers and technicians should be placed at the feet of the terrorist policies of the state. Some of the best professors at Moscow and St Peterburg Universities were dismissed and exiled for being ‘untrustworthy;’ many were sent to the GULAG by the ‘new rulers;’ some survived by escaping to the west.

    Also, are you aware that many Russian architects, engineers, chemists, artists et cetera studied in Europe before the revolution? Some of them were from merchant’ & peasant’ families.

    Also, are you aware that the admission to the post-revolutionary universities in Russia was slanted against the children of clergy, professional class, officer corp, and nobility? No? You never heard about that? Do you know what happens to a country when its genetic pool is tweaked against the interests of the nation? It took colossal efforts, during the XVIII-XIX centuries, to produce the precious layer of highly educated and patriotic professionals. They became the first target of the Bolshevik regime, with catastrophic consequences for the country.

    It was a miracle that Soviet Russia was able to produce a decent educational system (after the German model) and to preserve its sovereignty. But please don’t try to convince the readers that the educational system and sovereignty were due to the “droves of German Engineers and Technicians.” Russia always had and still has her own talents.

    Paying with gold to foreigners after killing out the natives was no virtue. Selling out the Hermitage treasure to purchase grains from abroad after exterminating the productive Russian (Ukrainian, Kazakh) peasantry was a crime.

  286. @annamaria

    So who was blocking Stolipins progress?
    Russia was loosing the war. Russia was not prepared for war.Who was responsible to prepare Russia for war? Holy spirit?
    Russian army had 4 million dead soldiers on the front.
    It was so bad that Czar himself went on the front to boost the moral. He took the command of the army. It did not help a bit. Czar did give up in less than a month, and he did return to Leningrad.
    Russian soldiers were deserting in a stream. All complete units were deserting. Eventually all Duma did join Kerensky and deposed Czar.
    But Kerensky did not stop the war. Russian soldiers kept deserting. Leningrad was full of deserters.
    Deserters were coming home with arms and ammunition
    In every army is automatic death sentence for desertion by fire ring squad
    There were nobody to arrest them.
    Eventually Lenin did talk yo them and hired them for revolution. It were these soldier under Lenin command who executed the revolution. Nobody dared to resist these upset soldiers with arms and ammunition from front. And so Lenin took the power and he knew what to do with it not like empty brain Kerensky

    .

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
    , @Ron Unz
  287. @Mikhail

    Stop playing Russian you moron!

    • 巨魔: Mikhail
  288. annamaria 说:
    @Zarathustra

    “Czar did give up in less than a month, and he did return to Leningrad.”

    Мs. Zarathustra, there was no “Leningrad” at that time.

    Saint Petersburg (Russian: Санкт-Петербург) formerly known as Petrograd (1914–1924) and later Leningrad (1924–1991)…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Petersburg

    World War I … lasted from 1914 to 1918.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I

    The Russian Imperial Romanov family (Emperor Nicholas II, his wife Empress Alexandra and their five children: Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and Alexei) were shot and bayoneted to death by Communist revolutionaries under Yakov Yurovsky in Yekaterinburg on the night of 16–17 July 1918.

    A sloppy Soviet propaganda on the Unz forum, 30 years after the dissolution of the USSR… Amazing!

    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @Zarathustra
    , @Seraphim
  289. Seraphim 说:
    @Zarathustra

    Thus spake Zarathustra… nonsense.
    One must consult the book of Jonathan Coopersmith ”The Electrification of Russia, 1880-1926”, 1992 to put things in their right perspective. The few data below are taken from it.

    Electrification started in Russia in 1886, naturally first in St. Petersburg and Moscow and Baku. From 1897 utilities started to spread to municipalities. By 1914 most cities had an utility. Despite the late start, utility diffusion and output increased rapidly after 1900 as the economy expanded and electric light, power, and traction spread. Utility generation increased fourfold from 96 MkWh in 1905 to 407 MkWh in 1913, paralleling similar growth in private and industrial stations. Industrial and tram consumption increased twice as much as lighting demand, a portent for future industrial modernization.
    The first visions and proposałs of large regional stations to expand the geographic and social base of electrification for economic and po­litical reasons appeared before World War I. These ideas, initially modest, lay the groundwork for future electrification plans. E.g. early in 1914 E. O. Bukhgeim proposed in a newspaper article the most far-reaching scheme yet for electrification, “a new economic fac­tor of equal significance as good communications and roads. His scheme was one of the first Russian plans to electrify an entire region.
    Naturally the WW1 was a set-back. But even so, the war increased the demand for electrical power and electricity generation grew. By 1917, more regional stations were planned for Petrograd, Moscow, and the Donets basin. By February 1917, two proposals promised hydroelectric operations in 1918.
    During the war, the electrical engineering leadership embraced the idea of widespread electrification and proposed far-reaching state plans for economic and social transformation. The evolution of the electrical engineering leadership into electrification advocates paralleled the growing conviction among industrialists, government offi­cials, and engineers that state planning offered a favorable, directed environment for industry to grow, prosper, and enrich the nation. Vladimir I. Kovalevskii, director of the Department of Trade and Industry from 1892 to 1900 and president of the Imperial Russian Technical Society from 1906 to 1916, almost welcomed the war as an opportunity to throw off the shackles of German economic oppression and develop into an economic power capable of standing up to foreign capitalism and proposed fourteen measures, including vastly increased credit, easier formation of companies, more technical education, a modernized le­gal framework, and “quickly harnessing the energy of falling water” to meet urban and industrial needs. In 1917 an electrical engineer P. Gurevich offered the most comprehensive view of a postwar electrified future: “the Rus­sian electrical industry in the most inflexible development of events will be compelled within ten years and possibly earlier to transfer to a system of large connected regional stations which work on water power or low-quality brown and sulfuric coal and that will be univer­sally accepted as the only rational and advantageous way for generat­ing electric energy”.
    It was the electrical engineers who proposed the GOELRO plan. The inspirer was Gleb Maximilianovich Krzhizhanovsky, a graduate of ‘Saint Petersburg State Institute of Technology’, the first to propose the idea of a hydroelectric plant in Saratov in 1910.

    • 谢谢: annamaria, Mikhail
    • 回复: @Zarathustra
    , @Philip Owen
  290. anon[958]• 免责声明 说:
    @Seraphim

    Sounds like the struggle the existing, normal ,assimilated non -Zionist parties experienced and then lost to the zionist racist political party in Germany in 1933.

  291. Seraphim 说:
    @annamaria

    Tsar Nicholas took command of the Army on 5th September 1915. When he was forced to abdicate, at the pressure of the faithful British Allies, he was at the front and the situation was far from desperate. The ensuing collapse was the result of the success of German defeatist propaganda, of the subverting of discipline in the army by the ‘revolution’, and down right treason.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
  292. Seraphim 说:
    @annamaria

    It is to be expected that the ‘new administration’ would ramp up the anti-Russian discourse to higher levels. The ‘revolutionary’ talking-points are a necessary part of it. Russia was, is, and would be forever the ‘Evil Empire, the ‘focus of evil in the modern world’. Everything that was, is and would be done in Russia is bad.

    • 同意: annamaria
  293. @Seraphim

    Electrification I Russia started in 1880, while in USA electrification started in 1882.
    Amazing!!!! Russians were two years ahead of USA.

    无论如何
    Those minuscule steam powered turbines could not cover lighting of Churches and you telling me that all cities were lighten up?
    Cinderella fairy tale.
    Steam powered Turbines require very special machining with very close tolerances.
    How Russians did manage that?

    So there was no electrification In Russia that is a Cinderella fairy tale.

    But I do believe that there was some experimentation which was to certain extent successful.
    And electrical lighting in few buildings could have been installed.

    那是所有人。

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  294. @Zarathustra

    And why 1880- 1926 ? Isn’t it a little bit dishonest?
    Why are you including 9 years of Soviet rule?

    You are dishonest person!

    • 巨魔: Mikhail
    • 回复: @Seraphim
  295. Seraphim 说:
    @Zarathustra

    Russia had only 1,811,000 military deaths, 1,500,000 civilian deaths, 4,950,000 wounded.
    Less military deaths than Germany: 2,050,897.
    Total deaths in procents of total population: Russia 1.89%, Germany 3.82%.

  296. Seraphim 说:
    @Zarathustra

    Haven’t you noticed that it was the title of an academic study? You are the dishonest one. Unless you are hopelessly mentally challenged.

    • 同意: Mikhail
    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  297. @Alfred

    The Poles certainly gave him ample excuses. What they did to Germans in East Prussia was a form of genocide.

    “Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to.” (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)

    That quote is fake.

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=179570#:~:text=Jimmyson%20wrote%3A%20%22Poland%20wants%20war%20with%20Germany%20and,no%20one%20has%20managed%20to%20produce%20the%20article.

    • 同意: soll
    • 回复: @soll
  298. E_Perez 说:
    @John Johnson

    ……以生活空间……

    又来了,旧的“生活空间”骗局……在希特勒之前,斯拉夫人从德国人手中夺取了生活空间,而不是相反。

    我想你的自以为是,你甚至没有意识到来自盎格鲁撒克逊人的 Lebensraum 指控是多么荒谬。 几个世纪以来,一个部落的经济模式是在各大洲“占领Lebensraum”。

    • 谢谢: L.K
    • 巨魔: Cyrano
    • 回复: @Cyrano
  299. @Seraphim

    But it was you who pervertly used it for your justification.
    (I am done with you. You are Jerk)

    • 巨魔: Mikhail, annamaria
    • 回复: @Seraphim
  300. Ron Unz 说:
    @Zarathustra

    Russia was loosing the war. Russia was not prepared for war.Who was responsible to prepare Russia for war? Holy spirit?…Russian soldiers were deserting in a stream. All complete units were deserting.

    You and others really might want to take a look at Sean McMeekin’s recent book, which is based on a great deal or archival research and seems quite persuasive to me:

    He argues that in the months prior to the Kerensky Revolution, Russia was actually in a fairly strong military position, with good supplies of munitions and food, and morale reasonably high in the army.

    Obviously, all the WWI combatants were under a great deal of stress, with the French army having had large-scale mutinies, but Russia really wasn’t doing that badly at all.

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
    , @Seraphim
  301. Are there any readers who can shed some light on the “Einstein Terror” during the early years of the Soviet Union?

    Christopher Jon Bjerknes claims Einstein was a God in the Soviet Union and anybody who questioned his genius was immediately dismissed as an antisemite. In extreme cases, critics of Einstein where locked up in prisons for the criminally insane. This is what is meant by the “Einstein Terror.”

    The Soviet Union was terribly philosemitic, even more so than the USA today. I believe it was Stalin the freemason (and crypto-Jew?) who made antisemitism a capital crime in the Soviet Union. However, Wikipedia has scrubbed any mention of this and now claims Stalin was an antisemite. More Jewish Lies?

    [更多]

    I am interested in knowing more about the “Einstein Terror” because I believe his theory of relativity–which (LOL) was “proved”  by the solar eclipse on May 29, 1919– is related to the Spanish Flu of 1918 and coronavirus pandemic hoax today, which, as with all things Jewish, is connected to the planet Saturn.

    The first cases of Covid-19 reported in America were in sync with the “Grand Conjunction” of Jupiter and Saturn during the month of February 2020. Yes, I know it sounds really crazy, but did you know the hammer and sickle and pentagram on the flag of the Soviet Union was an occult sigil for the planet Saturn?!

  302. Malla 说:

    这是有趣的

    https://www.whitenationalism.com/rj/rj-32.htm
    普林斯顿试图解释犹太人入学率下降的原因; 或“什么是共产主义?”
    “科恩,奥尔布赖特(科贝尔),伯杰,克拉克(尼梅洛夫斯基)和党内其他成员开始了这场战争,向塞尔维亚施加了多元文化主义。 从新闻报道看来,所有校长都认为米洛舍维奇和塞族人是胆小鬼,他们会在三天内投降。

    [更多]

    问题是,他们如何接受这种想法?
    假设以色列缺乏核武器,而我们将因某些政策分歧从15,000英尺高空轰炸核武器。 内党的天才会以为以色列人会在三天之内放弃吗?
    那么,我们是否要假设在内部党派中,塞族人和以色列人具有根本不同的人性?
    实际上,内部党对塞尔维亚人一无所知。 他们认为这样做是因为米洛舍维奇在本世纪初与克罗地亚和波斯尼亚的塞尔维亚族激怒人群的命运打交道时似乎“很容易接受”。 但是,一旦炸弹开始落在塞尔维亚境内,他将同样具有可投标性的想法是莫名其妙的天真。”
    …剪下…..
    The visceral inner party hatreds against Serbia are driven by the perception that Serbia is a nationalist state that defines itself as existing for the benefit a distinct people. Thus, the very quality that provokes hatred from the inner party should logically compel the conclusion that Serbia and its leaders would resist fiercely, as would the Israelis under similar circumstances. After all, both are racial states (albeit in thinly costumed drag, for the benefit of the media and pubic opinion).
    从表面上看,批评家可能会得出这样的结论:对轻松获胜的期望是内政党非理性的又一证据,而在一个层面上是这样。 但是这种根本的错误判断告诉我们,关于内政党的事情要重要得多。
    实际上,关于塞尔维亚将很快投降的假设,比起他们显然无知的塞尔维亚国家,更能说明内党对我们的看法–他们熟悉的欧美裔人士。
    毕竟,康乃狄克州将在三天内投降!
    内党认为,欧美种族主义者是胆小鬼,那为什么塞尔维亚人也不会胆怯呢?”
    …继续…。

    • 回复: @Malla
  303. @Ron Unz

    Please excuse me but no!
    Really no!
    I do really do appreciative deeply your theoretical spiritual side but that is not enough.
    You have to look at least partially on technical side.
    Germans did have heavy and light machine guns.
    Russians did not have any
    Germans did have precise and and far more efficient artillery.
    And far more of them than than Russians.

    Russian tactics was massive frontal attack to reach German lines, in formation practically with soldiers shoulder to shoulder. Germans with machine guns were cutting them down like wheat in harvesting. It was actually suicidal.
    ………………………………………………。
    There was no Kerensky revolution. There was voting in Duma to depose the Czar which was unanimous.
    Czar was put unharmed with his family under house arrest.
    There was Guard around compound. and access to czar was prohibited to any person,
    ………………………………………………………………。
    Lenin could not make a revolution if deserted soldiers would not be on his side.
    ...............................................................................................................................
    Many years did pass when I was part of these discussions so I only remember the important points and the essence.
    .....................................................
    In my opinion further away we are from events in time and place the more distorted the opinions become.

    .

  304. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    ..continued from above. BTW Inner Party=Chosenites
    “Sanning’s essential thesis is that, because of the well documented evacuation of Jews from Western Soviet territories prior to their occupation by Germany following Germany’s attack in 1941, Germany never had more than about 3.5 million Jews under its control from 1938 through 1945. Given the 900,000 to one million Jews alive in the camps at the end of the war, the maximum number that could have been killed appears to be about 2.5 million and not six million. Sanning then goes on to produce a number of very complex estimates and calculations in an attempt to show that the number unaccounted for after the war was far less than 2.5 million.

    令我惊讶的是,我发现在 Sannings 中埋藏着“圣杯”——共产主义社会实际运作方式的有力统计证据——它的核心和本质暴露无遗! 出人意料的是,三宁本人显然错过了它的真正意义。
    为了准备与德国开战,斯大林在西伯利亚建立了大型工厂(其中一半是空的),以供德国向俄国领土进军并占领该地区时提供他的战争努力。 此外,他还制定了移动生产设备和疏散关键工业人员的计划,以防占领波兰,白俄罗斯,乌克兰,波罗的海共和国和俄罗斯西部的工业城市。 公开宣称的想法是,如果遭到成功的攻击,则将保留苏联工业,并否认如果西俄领土和共和国应被压倒,则德国人的工业能力将受到削弱。

    [更多]

    但是,当然,这个疏散程序还有第二个不言而喻的目的。 在疏散过程中,约有55%的城市或城市人口与工业机械一起被疏散了。

    整个农村或农业人口留给德国人占领,大约占城市人口的45%。
    好,那么谁留下来,谁去?

    回答这个问题,您就已经抓住了共产主义社会的本质-它的实际事迹,而不是它的话语。 从第81页:
    Ukrainians were a minority in their own cities; only 47.4% of all city people in the SSR Ukraine were Ukrainians and the remaining 52.6% were largely accounted for by Russians (25%) and Jews (23%). Both of these latter two nationalities occupied most of the important positions in industry, party and administration; in the eyes of the Ukrainians they represented the long and heavy hand of Moscow. The entire grotesque situation is depicted in the professional structure of the Ukraine’s pre-war population:”
    ……剪下……。
    When the Germans “liberated” the Ukraine, they found a decapitated society, largely incapable of producing the essentials of civilized life, or indeed, of feeding themselves. In the words of a German officer responsible for performing a quick census [page 62]:

    “俄罗斯和犹太上层阶级与红军一起退出了。 乌克兰的主要领导人已被部分驱逐出境,如果他们在行政和工业领域担任领导职务,他们还被迫向第聂伯河以东转移。 农村的许多拖拉机和其他专家也遇到了同样的命运。 XNUMX月,许多年轻人被召入苏联驻军驻守……。 由于这种发展,在乌克兰的行政,工业和农业领域担任负责任职务的人极为匮乏……”
    ……剪断……
    在波罗的海共和国(拉脱维亚,立陶宛和爱沙尼亚)以及白俄罗斯,可以看到类似的将少数族裔塞入少数民族共和国中上层阶级的模式。

    Indeed, it appears that the very essence of Communism is ethnic manipulation and population transfer. It is a pattern that holds true even at the top of the communist party structure. In the early days following the revolutions of 1917-1918, none of the top officials in Moscow were ethnic Russians. In fact, a large number grew up in New York. Most of the top leaders felt compelled to change their names to conceal their ethnic origins. Among the first politburo, inner party members like Leon Bronshtein (Trotsky), Hirsch Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), and Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev) felt compelled to change their names. 列宁 himself was a mix of German, Swedish, Jewish, Kalmyk (Asian) and Russian ancestry – the very poster boy for a world in which nationality had been abolished – or so it would seem. Nevertheless, the inner party had a compelling need to cover up his ancestry and paint him a pure-bred Russian (instead of the grandson of a well-to-do Jewish Doctor).

    在莫斯科的中心是佐治亚人(斯大林,贝里亚),拉脱维亚人(贝津)和乌克兰人(克鲁舍夫),这些党派由众多内部党员支持,他们通过控制信息流来塑造党的决策。 在少数民族省份,地方政府由俄罗斯族裔以及党内成员组成。

    整个共产主义制度是基于对种族和民族血统的控制,而维持这种控制的主要机制是斩首-种族领袖的灭绝或大规模转移,以及剩余土著人口的全部依赖由进口的或土著的少数族裔管理政府和商业企业,并主导着学识渊博的职业。

    重要的一点是,法兰克福学校发明的各种形式的党内共产主义,猛烈的布尔什维克派和新的“民主社会主义”派,都是将人口统计学的工作方向精英而不是普通劳动者们推销的。

    内政党权力的先决条件是与部落和种族的亲属疏远的多元文化精英。

    目标始终是土著精英-可能抵制内党的权力驱动力的土著领导人。

    对内党而言,任何国家的群众在任何时候都与获得和保持政权的目标完全无关。 在苏联,列国的群众作为劳动力是重要的,劳动力是在注重产出的经济体系中生产的可替代要素。 马克思主义的概念是,他们的劳动每一小时都是同等价值的,它告诉您所有您需要了解的内党对他们的尊重。

    在战争时期,群众很快就被抛弃了,因为事实证明,这个现实国家是一个规模相对较小,流动性很强的少数族裔和多数野心家的联盟。

    对于现在统治着“自由民主国家”和国家自由组织的法兰克福学派的共产主义改革版本来说,各国人民作为消费者很重要,它们是债务创造和信用卡冲动购买机制中的齿轮。 全国大众将受到电视和民意测验的操纵-广播项目名誉分析员安妮(Annie)和焦点小组对操作信息进行预测试。

    与内部党派息息相关的是内部党派的潜在竞争者,即与弟兄们有社区联系的本土民族精英。

    In the Soviet Union, the inner party elites (using Lenin and Stalin as their cover) resorted to murder and forced resettlement to remove the native national elites, a fast, direct and brutal form of decapitation.=

    • 回复: @Malla
  305. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    …..从上面继续

    “数据表明,在波兰东部(与摩尔多瓦,白俄罗斯和乌克兰西部[定居点的苍白]一起构成了内政党的摇篮),波兰多数人口在波兰处于“被斩首”状态。 1931年,而且几乎可以肯定的是,前200年也是如此。 这些地区是由一小撮贵族所拥有和统治的,这些贵族与被认为是农业劳动力贫困的农民共享所谓的族裔和宗教血统。 中产阶级的大多数和绝大多数的职业是由党内少数族裔担任的。

    从这些统计数据的角度来看,似乎欧洲共产主义(以正统的布尔什维克形式以及其改革的“自由民主”形式)只是一种伪装成的努力,旨在将整个欧洲的种族地位和职业关系强加于整个欧洲世界。工业革命初期的波兰东部和定居点苍白的关系-内党(犹太人)在中产阶级和专业职业中占主导地位的关系,以及现成的希克萨斯作为仆人女孩的现成供应-这种关系确保政党内部的安全,因为没有贵族,经济生活和维持贵族的税收基础就会崩溃。

    [更多]

    确实,农奴的解放和工业革命对他们舒适的民族统治世界构成了深远的威胁。 新的工厂将成千上万的粗粮和威胁农民带到了城镇。 在工业革命之前,内政党警告农民起义,因为农民不得不聚集在农村进城。 由于工业革命,这些危险的人住在隔壁,就读同一所学校。

    用欧文·豪(Irving Howe)的话说,在“我们父亲的世界”中。 21:

    “农奴的解放对那些犹太人造成了破坏性影响,这些犹太人虽然人数不多,但在犹太经济中仍然很重要,他们曾担任贵族的代理人或作为处理农民产品的经济中间人。 犹太人的小官员和商人往往被挤出,结果许多农村犹太人被迫在城市寻找工作。”

    To make matters worse, out of every million Polish peasants drawn to the cities and educated in the schools, twenty thousand had IQs above 130; and over 160,000, a full 16%, had IQs above 115, matching the distribution of IQ of the top half of the inner party. It was a nightmare. The inner party could easily be displaced. It was no longer indispensable. In fact, some of these peasants actually started factories of their own and became wealthy. Being only one or two generations off the farm, there was always a threat that they might use this newfound wealth to organize their fellow peasants.

    The Inner Party developed ideologies of “human equality” as weapons to preserve the status quo ante. According to this ideology, intelligence was a product of the environment, which justifies socialized, middling incomes for the peasants. 社会化收入意味着中等的环境,这反过来又证明了将中等和中等智力归因于他们的孩子是合理的。 这种意识形态提供了道德上的隐身,使内部党派可以将这些新来者的子女排除在他们所控制的学校和大学(包括维也纳的艺术学院)之外,而将他们限制在中等职业范围内。 他们每个小时的劳动价值相同,因此剥夺了人才以任何方式向上流动的机会,并剥夺了他们与内部党派竞争和取代内部党派的任何机会。 对于那些没有洗手的新工业家,要征收累进所得税和遗产税,所有这些都是为了防止他们将经济权力转变为政治权力。”
    ……剪断……

    Once the industrial revolution rendered the closed and ethnically stratified society within the Pale of the Settlement untenable, there arose a passionate commitment to the “open” society, an ideological construct in which individual upward mobility would be extolled in words, but would be prevented in fact by central economic planning and high marginal tax rates, and where “freedom of thought and expression” would be extolled in words, but where massive social and economic pressure would be brought to bear on any thought or expression that identified the speaker as an “authoritarian personality.”

    It was essential to identify the talented newcomers and then alienate them from their roots just as the Polish nobles had been alienated. Like the nobles, majority elites could be taught contempt for their less prosperous brethren, and liberated from any sense of ethnic or racial obligation by attacking the traditional religious faith they shared and replacing the moral restrictions and obligations of those traditional religions (that had preserved them over the centuries) with the vices of the cosmopolitan city packaged in ideologies of “freedom” and “choice”. Again, those who resist the blandishments of vice and degraded culture are called bigots, homophobes, fundamentalists, racists, etc. and are banished to occupations in which they have no power or influence.

    The central reality of Communist action is racial and ethnic engineering. It is all slaughters and mass transfers of various Christian nationalities behind a universalist mask which denies even the slightest consciousness of these nationalities’ existence.

    The program continues to this day. Cuban exiles in Miami tell me that the population of Cuba was 70% white in 1956. After 40 years of Castro’s Communism, it has fallen to 30% (in their estimate). Like Lenin, Castro is, according to his daughter Alina, an inner party half-breed.

    现在,您应该问,这与普林斯顿大学的招生有什么关系?

    碰巧的是,答案很大。”
    阅读更详细
    https://www.whitenationalism.com/rj/rj-32.htm

    • 回复: @ivan
  306. @Seraphim

    As late as 1931, the USSR was dependant on the UK for turbines. The trial of the Metrovick engineers was a crude attempt to force technical know how out of them.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
    , @Zarathustra
  307. Seraphim 说:
    @Zarathustra

    You’ll be better done with all of us and spare us your idiocies.

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  308. Seraphim 说:
    @Philip Owen

    That still doesn’t invalidate the fact that plans for electrification of Russia predate the war and revolution.

  309. @Not Only Wrathful

    \$chiff was a Made-Man for the Rottenchild crime clan. Their families had lived together in Frankfurt. Little Georgie of our \$orrow\$ fulfills the same role today. Waaay back in 1837, when the Clan set off the financial panic in reaction to Andy Jackson shutting down their Bank of the United States; they “cleaned up” their own created mess by sending in one August Schoenberg, who promptly changed his surname to the frenchified same-meaninged Belmont. He ran Rothschild affairs in the U.S. until the likes of Judah P. Benjamin filled the spot as first, Secretary of War and later Secretary of the Treasury for the Confederacy during the Civil War.

    • 回复: @Not Only Wrathful
  310. Cyrano 说:
    @E_Perez

    正确的。 斯拉夫人从德国人那里偷走了土地。 这就是为什么即使他们的首都也有一个斯拉夫名字,他们甚至懒得改变(可能是缺乏想象力?)。

    “他们的”首都之所以有斯拉夫名字,是因为它建在从斯拉夫人偷来的土地上。 德国人从来没有斯拉夫人想要的东西。 斯拉夫人总是拥有更多,而且总是会拥有更多——更多的土地、更多的人、更多的大脑、更多的常识。 因此,偷窃的欲望总是来自匈奴人——正如英国人亲切地称其为克劳特人。

    https://www.cogniarchae.com/2016/09/06/forgotten-history-of-polabian-slavs/

    • 回复: @E_Perez
  311. @Seraphim

    Who is forcing you read my comments?
    Is it so exhausting to pass them over?
    As far as I remember I did not address any my comment to you.
    It is actually you who is pestering me!

  312. E_Perez 说:
    @Cyrano

    “他们的”首都之所以有斯拉夫名字,是因为它建在从斯拉夫人偷来的土地上。

    真的。 大多数欧洲首都都在被盗的斯拉夫土地上。

    例如,众所周知,早在凯撒进入加利亚之前,波兰人定居点 Parysz(今天称为巴黎)是由国王 Wrzlaw 二世(他父亲的儿子)建立的。

    如果凯撒没有消除斯拉夫文化的所有痕迹,高卢人仍然会说美丽的波兰语,而不是他们称之为法语的粗俗拉丁方言。

    德国人从来没有斯拉夫人想要的东西。

    也是如此。 波兰人和捷克人是农业民族。 科学、文化、技术在他们身上完全消失了。
    但这并不是所有斯拉夫人的情况。 例如,俄罗斯人拥有文化、科学和技术。

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  313. Cyrano 说:
    @E_Perez

    往好的方面想。 斯拉夫人(其中一些人)拥有社会主义大约 20 年,然后克劳特人意识到社会主义可能是好事——因此他们将他们的体系命名为“国家社会主义”——有效地承认他们的社会主义可能只对一个人有益国家。

    最后,结果证明他们的“社会主义”甚至对一个民族——投降国都不利。 他们已经这样做了两次,但最近对“自由主义”理念的投降——他们似乎将其解释为:自由主义 = 第三世界的更多 lebensraum,将是他们所有投降中最致命的。 有时,你输掉的最大的战争是那些你不够男子气甚至试图去打的战争。

  314. Rubicon 说:
    @Renics Nykoros

    He’s the offspring of his father who started Consortium News. Meaning, little Max is a newbie. Actually, even some American “scholars” who have written about the Russian Revolution, are either negatively biased, or they are Jewish who are most always biased.

    Look to Western European (authentic) scholars who wrote about this time. Because their “scholarship” is very unlike what US universities spew out: 3d rate minds.

    • 回复: @Max Parry
  315. FrankK 说:
    @Alfred

    I got my HTML version here, from His Honor Unz!!!

    • 回复: @Alfred
  316. @Rubicon

    For the record, I am NOT related to or the son of Robert Parry, though I was a fan of his work. The troglodytes in the comment section here just flat out pull shit out of their ass and make stuff up.

  317. ivan 说:
    @Malla

    The fact is Malla, most of the Polish Jews had no greater IQ than the other Poles. Great Polish-Jewish mathematicians did of course exist, but the other Poles were upto speed. Among Jews, I believe the record for ingratitude is held by the Polish Jews by some distance. The “outer space” Jews were from Hungary, but those Jews such as von Neumann, Edward Teller, Arthur Koestler and others were in fact very friendly to Christians.

    • 同意: Malla
  318. @Philip Owen

    Tesla and Edison installed first steam turbine and they did find out that they were only capable to light on a few streets in Manhattan. The second they made water turbine and placed it in Niagara falls.
    Interestingly enough that turbine is working to this day. Water turbines simply were dwarfing steam turbines at the time. Naturally with progress of machining there is capacity to make huge steam turbines that are placed in Nuclear power plants.
    ...........................。
    I am only curios if English did mate for Russians water turbines also. Could you look it up for me?

    • 回复: @Philip Owen
  319. Alfred 说:
    @FrankK

    I got my HTML version here, from His Honor Unz!!!

    Is it in Russian? I would to see a translation.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  320. @Majority of One

    It is hard to take someone seriously when they write like a psychopath

    • 回复: @Majority of One
  321. @Not Only Wrathful

    We are ruled by psychopath\$. How is it that you do not understand that simple fact? Cognitively dissonant or do you work for them?

    • 回复: @Not Only Wrathful
  322. @Alfred

    The book is available in English on the Internet at various sites, e.g.

    https://archive.org/details/200YearsTogether

    I read some bits of (details about how most pogroms were started by Jews attacking Russians and then Russians retaliating) it in pdf but couldn’t slog through all of it.

  323. @Majority of One

    Yes, I work for them. As does everyone. That is how we have time to talk to random lunatics on obscure parts of the internet, even with no hope of persuading them, in fact we merely do it to rile you up. This is the nature of the world. You are at its center and everyone is all bad except you, who are flawless.

  324. JM 说:
    @redmudhooch

    Soros money funding ANTIFA and BLM lovers calling themselves “Centre for Marxist Education” using “Marxism” as a cover for supporting Soros globalist agendas.

  325. JM 说:
    @Malla

    Even though there was the mitigating argument of a mismanaged war and the promise of ‘land and peace’ which the overthrown government failed to deliver, I think you raise the correct, main argument for the lack of real mass support and certainly for the subsequent outrageous, destructive, violence of the ‘revolutionary process’.

    • 同意: Malla
  326. Hibernian 说:
    @John Doran

    Czarist Russia supported the Union by guarding the West Coast while the Union Navy was blockading the Confederacy. Some Russian ships were home ported in San Francisco.

    • 同意: Max Parry
    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  327. Seraphim 说:
    @John Doran

    And what was the Crimean War? Were the Banksters trying to prevent Russians thwarting their plans ahead of time? Were Britain’s overt and covert attempts to ‘contain’ Russia at any time, its support for any anti-Russian rebellions and ‘Free Russian Press’ propaganda (financed by the Rothschilds well before being aggrieved by the Russian show of sympathy for the Unionist cause) also to prevent their ‘thwarting of Rothschilds plans’ for America?

  328. @Hibernian

    Its the long way to Tiporelly……..
    没什么。
    Its even mucho longer way to export the cotton to England.

  329. Seraphim 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually Russia was marking successes on the Caucasus front. People concentrate too much on the European theaters of war. Had the revolution not intervened, Russians would have pushed further into Anatolia and Mesopotamia, where they would have linked-up with the British and the Turks would have been done with. The post-war ‘Middle East’ would have looked differently, had Russia remained as part of the initial Sykes-Picot-Sazonov ‘pact’ (Jerusalem would have been internationalized). The ‘Eastern Question’ would have been solved.

    • 回复: @anon
  330. JM 说:
    @Malla

    Good analysis. Keep it up!

    • 谢谢: Malla
  331. Lot 说:
    @nokangaroos

    Silver was \$1.28 per troy oz in the silver dollar era up to 1935, and is about \$24 now. A ratio of about 19.

  332. soll 说:
    @fayez chergui

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s work actually supports Parry’s article, all these reactionaries have is a hoax quote attributed to Solzhenitsyn that was invented by “Dr.” David Duke.

    [Hoax Quote that contradicts Solzhenitsyn’s own work, mindlessly recited to each other in these conspiracy circles:

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They Hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of its perpetrators.”]

    “Solzhenitsyn emphatically denies (in Chapters 9 and 14) that the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the result of a “Jewish conspiracy” (just as he had earlier forcefully criticized the extreme nationalists who were and are obsessed with Freemasons and Jews—see, e.g., Russia in Collapse, Chapter 25, “The Maladies of Russian Nationalism”).” […]

    Meanwhile, readers need to be forewarned that any and all English versions [of ‘Two Hundred Years Together’] available on the Internet (with two important exceptions listed below) are illegal, pirated, and/or entirely unauthorized; often poorly and loosely translated; and redact passages, and indeed whole chapters, that apparently do not support the prejudices of those behind these illegal editions.”

    https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/his-writings/large-works-and-novels/two-hundred-years-together

    • 巨魔: RedpilledAF, L.K
  333. Seraphim 说:
    @soll

    Chapter 9 of ‘Two hundred years…’ is a detailed presentation of the massive (armed) participation of Jews in all revolutionary activities of the years that precede the revolution of 1905 and in the revolution itself, of the role of Jacob Schiff and ‘friendly America’ in supporting all these activities. What Solzhenitsyn denies is that the unique cause of the revolution was a ‘Judeo-masonic conspiracy’. He pays tribute to a trend in Russian ‘meta’-history (rather myth-history) which attributes all the ills of Russia to Peter the Great and his successors (all of them incapable rulers who did not understand either the Russian ‘people’ or the ‘evolution of society’), to the ‘reckless reforms of Patriarch Nikon and his ‘schism’ and departure from the ‘rascolnic’ view of a ‘Slavophil’ Orthodoxy of fantasy.

    • 回复: @soll
  334. @soll

    Sure, absolutely, sayanim. How wonderfully hasbara of you. Thank you.

  335. @soll

    有趣!
    But we need person or persons of authority who will give us the truth.
    So English translation is forgery?

  336. soll 说:
    @Seraphim

    “What Solzhenitsyn denies is that the unique cause of the revolution was a ‘Judeo-masonic conspiracy’. He pays tribute to a trend in Russian ‘meta’-history (rather myth-history) which attributes all the ills of Russia to Peter the Great and his successors (all of them incapable rulers who did not understand either the Russian ‘people’ or the ‘evolution of society’)”

    So you are dismissing general wants of the people to push a bogus narrative that the Jews were magically behind everything, and that the Tsarist regime was without issue; and that any complaints made by the people were merely a fantasy or you term, “myth-history”?

    According to you then, the people were without issue working 18-hour days in poor conditions, the mass immigration was just wants of scenery change. The lack of any representation (it took until the 1905 revolution for their State Duma to be established); while no free press existed. Land ownership and movement restrictions for those in the Pale of Settlement was without complaint, mass food shortage in the outcome of Russian being the First World War had no issues on the population.

    No complaints are valid, any raised is merely a “myth.” Why did the Bolsheviks then receive over 10 million votes if there was no support from the population: and why were the people overcome to retake their land? Why was the people before either February or October 1917 forever writing in the newspapers about the wanting of freedom since originally forcing their first appeals for a free press following the 1905 revolution? […]

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
  337. Kelso 说:

    罗伯特威尔顿的第一手资料《俄罗斯的痛苦》指出,大约 80% 的布尔什维克是犹太人,其中许多来自美国。 他那本带有 BOHEMIA GROVE 介绍的书的版本说明了一切。
    无可挑剔的来源。

  338. annamaria 说:
    @soll

    You did not do the required reading.

    Just three topics for you to ponder.

    1. The role of American Jewish bankers in the fomenting (and financing) the Russo-Japanese War of 1904/1905, including the hiring of political propagandists to work among Russian POWs. The war and agitation were instrumental for the revolution of 1905.

    2. The explosion of the Russian population after the reforms of 1861, and hence the popularity of Boslhevics’ lie that the land will be distributed freely among peasants. Now you can start counting these ten million who voted for the liars. FYI, the country was still predominantly agrarian, though various industries have been developing with great speed.

    3. The ethnic composition of the Bolshevik government and the organizers of the secret police and the GULAG. Note that the best among the Russians – the prosperous peasantry, officer corp, educated clergy, and nobility – were among the most hated targets of the rootless and sadistic fighters with Amalek.

    你抗议太多了。

    What again is the number of countries that expelled the chosen? Do you know why?
    For example, the various declarations by Adelson, Bibi, and Pelosi should have given you a clue already.

  339. annamaria 说:
    @soll

    Your tribe has no shame.

    The holobiz is going on:
    “If your parents were interned in a ghetto, you may be entitled to a compensation payment.” https://www.centerforreparations.org/?https%3A%2F%2Fwww_centerforreparations_org%2F&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8J_k4d2y7gIVT72fCh214AgnEAEYASAAEgKI4vD_BwE

    Even if you are already receiving compensation from the Claims Conference or from the German authorities, including the German Pension Insurance you may be eligible to receive additional payments.

    The pension is paid even to those who were interned for a short period of time in a Ghetto (including Ghettos in Poland, Romania (New!), Czernowitz, Shanghai, Sofia, Thessaloniki, Transnistria, Amsterdam, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and many more). The possibilities are for a one-time retroactive compensation, as well as a monthly payment from the German Social Security.

    Why didn’t they include the Gaza Ghetto?
    “A baby and her pregnant mother were among three Palestinians killed by Israeli strikes in Gaza overnight…” https://khybernews.tv/baby-among-three-killed-as-israel-strikes-gaza/

  340. Seraphim 说:
    @soll

    No freedom of press in Tsarist Russia? Then Wikipedia lies again:

    ”The reduction in censorship was one of the many reforms of Alexander II in the 1860s. He cautiously allowed a limited freedom of the press; some 60 daily newspapers were allowed to publish. In 1863 Krayevsky founded the highly popular newspaper Golos, its circulation reaching the high point of 23,000. In 1866 he became one of the creators of the first ever Russian Telegraph Agency (RTA)…
    The ‘Russian Bulletin’ promoted liberalism, praised Alexander II’s Great Reforms, and called for the rule of law and jury courts. By 1900 it called for a constitution and a parliament (“Duma”). It praised the peasant commune and the zemstvo. It wanted more equality and distrusted capitalism, industry and businessmen
    While the government continued its censorship policy, the number of daily and weekly newspapers grew beyond its control.
    Vestnik Evropy (Russian: Вестник Европы) (Messenger of Europe) was the major liberal magazine of late-nineteenth-century Russia. It was published from 1866 to 1918. Editor Mikhail Matveevich Stasiulevich (1826–1911) sought to explicate both liberalism and socialism with examinations of French socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and English liberal John Stuart Mill….
    Julius Martov , aka Yuliy Osipovich Tsederbaum/Zederbaum (1873–1923), a leading Menshevik, was the founder and editor of Russia’s first Jewish journals and newspapers in Hebrew, Yiddish, and Russian; Ha-Melitz, The Advocate [1860, Weekly newspaper (until 1886) Daily newspaper (from 1886 until 1904)] Kol Mevasser (The Harbinger), Yidisher Folksblat (The Jewish People’s Journal), and Vestnik russkikh evreev (Russian-Jewish Courier)”.
    Under Lenin, the Bolsheviks (Communists) took total control of all the media, 1917–1991. Two newspapers were allowed, Izvestia and Pravda. Ah, yes they got ‘freedom of press’.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
  341. soll 说:

    “The reduction in censorship was one of the many reforms of Alexander II in the 1860s. He cautiously allowed a limited freedom of the press; some 60 daily newspapers were allowed to publish.”

    Cautiously, while this only lasted 10 years from 1855-1865.

    >”Censorship reforms began in Russia in a single decade of tolerance (1855-1865) during the reign of Tsar Alexander II, when transition was made from legislation on pre-censorship to the punitive system based on legal responsibility. The press then enjoyed greater freedom. But censorship laws were re-imposed in 1866, in effect reversing the reform. Only half a century later, pre-censorship was abrogated in the law of 1905 – 1906. Finally all censorship was abolished by the Temporary Government on April 1917. This freedom was however short lived, as the decrees only were in force until October 1917. Following the formal separation of church and state in 1918, a new, long and extensive era of strict censorship began, now executed by the revolutionary rulers of the USSR, lasting until the end of the 1980s.”

    http://www.beaconforfreedom.org/liste.html?tid=415&art_id=555

    I never claimed freedom of speech and press had continued once the Provisional Government had walked away and allowed Lenin’s rise. Though for some reason you have no interest in any social history of the people instead you have a top-down conspiracy narrative that has no time for anything another than the Jews. Any discussion jumps over the people and straight into the Civil War and the Soviet Union being established while their complaints are described as merely “myth-history” and fantasy. The people don’t exist its just Lenin and those shadowy Jews.

  342. anon[126]• 免责声明 说:
    @Seraphim

    Then Russia would have been stabbed smack-dab in the middle of between the legs by Britain. It did stab France. WW2 wouldn’t have happened the way it did. But human love and war are kind of different animals and don’t follow the scriputres ,traditions, or allegiance to race. These are materials that are used to fight the interests . WW2 would have been fought for long periods of times Hitler still would have emerged after WW1 of Russia -Britain -France ’s machinations . America still would have extended Monre doctrine to rest of the world coming in conflicts with UK Russia France Germany alone or in alliances . The medieval wars that plagued Europe until 1887 or 1914 would have been joined by USA .
    Turks then would have found a way to reach Moscow or Petersburg Because that was their to claim since the Tartars order once ruled those territories for 500 yrs .This time not allowing any tax exemptions to the churches . If not turks , Chinese Iranian central Asians countries would have mounted a ferocious attacks and be done with revanchist Russia. All along variously supported by America .

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  343. Seraphim 说:
    @anon

    Russia was ‘stabbed smack-dab in the middle of between the legs’ by Britain in WW1 by the sabotage of Russia’s war effort and by giving a ‘hidden hand’ to the ‘revolution’ (Rasputin was assassinated by a British cabal and the British Embassy was inciting the ‘protesters’). Britain was ready to renege on their promises that Constantinople would fall to a victorious and Russia. They were disquieted by the successes of Russian offensive in Turkey. They knew that America wouldn’t have joined the war as long as Russia remained ‘autocratic’. They were not unhappy to see Russia out of the war, eliminating her from the settlements in the Middle East and giving Britain free hand to ‘organize’ it, and finding a pretext to set Anglo-American and their Japanese mignons feet on Russian soil. Things didn’t go exactly that way, Bolsheviks unexpectedly thwarting their plans to dismantle Russia.
    Germany was not supposed to be destroyed, but only cut to size and kept in reserve for the repetition of the plan twenty years later. Again things didn’t go their way.
    But the ‘West’ still keeps alive their dreams. Why are they comparing Alexei Navalny’s return to Moscow with Vladimir Lenin’s “sealed train” journey from Switzerland to St Petersburg in April 1917? Do they really believe that a storming of the Winter Palace…erh Kremlin is in the making?

  344. geokat62 说:

  345. Malla 说:



    视频链接
    THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES – DR. MATTHEW RAFAEL JOHNSON (MYTH20C – EP148)
    This is an interesting video on the facts behind the Russian Revolution from the ‘Myth of the Twentieth Century’ series with Dr. Johnson noted scholar on Russian history, Orthodoxy, and its relationship with the modern world. He is joined by Nick Mason, Adam Smith and Hans Lander.
    They discuss the origins of the October “Revolution”, it geopolitical ramifications, and the parallels of the Soviet Empire with the modern day American one. In his own words, “Professor Johnson’s academic work is dedicated to the delegitimization of the global capitalist system and the demystification of the ideology that justifies it. This is a demonic, serpentine Leviathan spreading the postmodern acid of American-sponsored mass-zombification to the world. The neurotic capitalist ‘liberated the individual,’ only to create the mass-man: a crippled, malformed cipher almost entirely incapable of higher-order thought.”
    Dr. Matthew Rafael Johnson website – The Russian Orthodox Medievalist – https://www.rusjournal.org/

    • 回复: @Malla
  346. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    Dr. Johnson, come across Ukrainian exiles in Poland from WW2. They took him in. His PhD was in the history of Political Philosophy and later moved into Russian Theology. When Putin took over, Dr. Johnson rightfully predicted that Putin would be an enemy of the NWO. Nobody believed him then but now this is mainstream. The right winged then believe Putin was a KGB guy and Communist but Dr. Johnson’s prediction came true. He had written a book on the Political Thoughts of Putin, the only sympathetic analysis of his ideas in English at that time.
    He even has a law called the Johnson’s Law which is “More obscure a place, more the press can lie about it and get away with it”. He was appalled about the pro-Bolshevik lies & propaganda taught in Western Universities.
    By the 1960s, most Americans knew nothing much about Russia. Very few Universities in those days offered the language. In the 60s, the only places in the USA one could go to learn Russian was Harvard and Georgetown, that was it. Unless one was a Russian exile or of Russian background, most Americans knew nothing much about Russia. The Russian emigres/ exiles in the USA did not learn much English and they were very suspicious of outsiders. The FBI was after them quite often as well as the fears of infiltration from the NKVD/ KGB. They were very insular. They had their own institutions in the USA, very good ones religious & political. Mostly Russian Nationalists, National Socialists and Royalists. But unless one was a Russian speaker, one could not penetrate. Same with the Ukrainian exiles.
    The earlier exiles thought that the Soviet Regime would not last very much and they would go back soon to their motherland of Russia/ Ukraine so whats the point of getting to comfortable with life in the USA? But that was a huge mistake as when the Jews and Mensheviks came to the USA, their English language skills were far better and their version of historical lies about the Revolution became popular. The liberal revolutionary Menshevik history is taken for granted in Western academia today. Dr. Johnson of Irish background, has dedicated his career to destroy these myths. He was a very popular professor among his students but that did not prevent him being blacklisted by American academia. His student evaluations were extraordinary. When he was fired from Mount St Marys, 180 students protested and held a rally, of course the press never picked up this story. He believes that the academia is one of the central pillars of the Globalist Satanic NWO. One of the most corrupt institution in American society according to him. One has to be an intellectual conformist. White male professors live in constant fear and try to overcompensate. They have to watch everything they say, universities monitor their computer activities if they use uni servers and many of Dr. Johnson’s website are banned as most websites which go against the Satanic Globalist NWO narrative. Western Universities are little totalitarian states, everything is under tight control.Black groups and gay groups watch your every move.
    He has many books on Russia. Check them out and check out the video.
    The idea was that the Tzar was incompetent and had it coming and that Russia was a backward country, the peasantry was completely repressed, they owned no land, the Church ruled everything (or nothing), and monarchs strangely enough were totalitarian and bloody but at the same time weak and incompetent!!! (Strange huh) are all myths and he debunks them. Also the myths that Russia entered WW1 with no idea how to fight a war and the system fell apart are all myths. Things would have been better if Lenin, Trotsy or even if Kerensky would have stayed alive. They are all idiotic mythology. Trotsky apologia common among the neo-cons who played a part in bombing Iraq. Neo Cons were ex-Trotskyists after all.
    Lenin and Trotsky both believed in concentration camps. Concentration camps came up right after the birth of the USSR way before Stalin came on the scene as supremo.
    When trotsky was murdered, two bank accounts were found, one in Genva and the other in New York City. He was a billionaire, he was worth 2 billion dollars. He was the wealthiest man in Russia.
    The most stable currency of the World at one time was the gold ruble of the Russian Empire! It was worth the same in 1700 as it was in WW1. And it was 100% convertible in Gold. Purely Gold backed currency with the state behind it.
    No wonder the Rothchilds wanted to screw this up, the Russian monarchies had blocked the Rochchild’s attempts to have banks in the Russian Empire. No wonder the Satanic bankers, Jews, Marxists hated the Holy Russian Empire and even now the Trotskyist Neocons hate Russia.
    Also most of the pogroms against Jews was myth according to Dr. Johnson. He also talks about the used gematria 6 million figure much before 1900. There were American newspapers (fishwraps) talking about 6 million Jews being killed by the “evul” Russian Empire and the “evul” Czars. Oy Vey!!
    Many of the information anti-Jewish Medieval pogroms come from Yiddish sources, not state sources and you get insane numbers which do not make any sense.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
    • 回复: @Seraphim
  347. Seraphim 说:
    @Malla

    The organizer of the ‘Gulag’ and its ‘supremo’ from 1924 to 1947, awarded the Order of Lenin three times and retired on a lavish pension in 1947 for a quiet life until 1960, was the ‘mysterious’ Naphtaly Frenkel of ‘uncertain origin’ (“Turkish Jew born in Constantinople”, “Hungarian manufacturer”, ”coming from Odessa” or ”from Austria, or Palestine”, ”born in Haifa”wherefrom he made his way (perhaps via Odessa, perhaps via Austria-Hungary) to the Soviet Union where he described himself as a ‘merchant”’. Arrested for ‘illegally crossing the border’ (smuggling) he was interned in the infamous camp of Solovki (“first camp of the Gulag”), where he rose rapidly from prisoner to staff member on the strength of his proposal to the camp administration that they link inmates’ food rations to their rate of production, the proposal known as nourishment scale and in 1927 he was released and appointed Commander of the camp and then promoted in higher functions. He ‘mysteriously’ escaped any Stalinist ‘purge’ although he was accused of sabotage, being a ‘Trotskyite-diversionist-spy’.

    • 回复: @Malla
  348. Malla 说:
    @Seraphim

    Thanks for this info. It seems only psychopaths can prosper in such Satanic systems.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  349. annamaria 说:
    @Malla

    The system (heavily zionized) has survived as Fifth Column in Russia:
    “Bloody Monday: Grandnephew of GULAG organizer [Frenkel] stabbed the Echo of Moscow editor” https://thesaker.is/bloody-monday-grandnephew-of-gulag-organizer-stabbed-the-echo-of-moscow-editor/

    Following the stabbing, the liberals in Russia used the Social media to express their outrage with the government of Russia and blaming the government for the “murder of a journalist” Tanya Fengelgauer…

    In the long tradition of organized psy ops, five hours prior to the attack an anonymous account posted a picture of Fengelgauer…

    Other journalists of the Echo of Moscow made multiple statements that this was the “水晶之夜” event and compared Russia with Germany at the beginning of 30s and The Soviet Russia in 36-37s.

    The body of a journalist [Fengelgaue] was more alive than dead, but liberals rushed: “Will we forgive Putin for Tanechka [Tanya Fengelgauer], or will we betray her, as always?”

    Artem Torchinskiy, who works for the Twitter Anti-corruption Foundation [!?] wrote: “This is an attempt on the life of the public figure, terrorism sponsored by the state.”

    Liberal media immediately found who was to blame for the attack. They blamed the state media like RT Russia Today and TASS for an “atmosphere of hatred, including towards those (liberal) journalists, nudging, fingering them.”

    Timur Shafir, a Secretary of the Union of Journalists of Russia, called the knife fight between Grits and Felgengauer an “attack on the freedom of speech.”

    Oleg Kashin, the New York Times author, about the authorities’ initial reaction to the stubbing: “I want to call bastards those people from the Moscow Police department, who started talking about the personal reasons for this attack.”

    However, something went terribly wrong for them.

    The attacker was captured by the Police and apprehended. He was a citizen of Israel Boris Grits, a grandnephew of an inventor and first commissar of the death camps in Russia called GULAG Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel. …

    The Fifth Column always stinks. Currently, the stench is of Mr. Navalny kind.

    • 谢谢: Malla
  350. @Zarathustra

    We still made hydro turbines when I did my apprenticeship in the 1970’s. However, I don’t know for certain if they were sent to Russia. I think the main project was for steam turbines to generate electricity from burning oil.

    • 谢谢: Zarathustra
  351. @John Johnson

    大声笑,李森科在哪里符合这种信念?

    李森科和瓦维洛夫之间的丑陋竞争是纯粹的科学竞争——李森科认为表观遗传学是可遗传的,而瓦维洛夫则是一个强硬的“遗传学家”。 (当时的“遗传学家”是相信只有基因与表型表达有关,而表观遗传学不存在的人。)

    在那个论点中,李森科是对的,并且在将近 100 年后现在被证明是正确的。

    自己看看:只需谷歌“表观遗传学可遗传”。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_inheritance

    李森科一直是个好人。

  352. @Jazman

    Sutton is referencing Jew usurers in US, Britain and Germany funding and supporting the Jew Bolsheviks Lenin, “Trotsky” (birth name Bronstein) and the entire “Jewish Terror” (as the ethnic Russians called it) of history’s most intense genocide, 1917-193X.

    Nothing’s changed in over a hundred years. Jews in President Brandon’s Administration forced Putin to act responsibly to defend Russia from (((their))) NATO and by Ukraine encroachment via (((their))) Jew puppet they installed atop Ukraine via (((Vicki Nueland’s))) 2014 coup. Now that puppet and all the other Jews of Ukraine are safely in Israel demanding the goyim of Russia and Ukraine slaughter one another.

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