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在总统选举中,共和党曾经赢得过大多数亚洲选票。 现在,它几乎赢不了超过四分之一。

出產年份 GOP亚洲投票份额 亚洲投票的第三方份额
1992 55 percent 15 percent
1996 48 percent 8 percent
2000 41 percent 3-百分之4
2004 43 percent N / A
2008 35 percent N / A
2012 26 percent N / A
2016 27 percent 6 percent

在2012年和2016年,共和党在亚洲支持中所占的份额甚至低于其西班牙裔所占的份额。 参议院和国会中的每个亚洲人都是民主党人,其中包括一些最进步和最反特朗普的人物:朱迪·朱(Judy Chu),特德·里乌(Ted Lieu),普拉米拉·贾亚帕(Pramila Jayapal),卡马拉·哈里斯(Kamala Harris)和罗·卡纳(Ro Khanna)。 在媒体上,大多数著名的亚洲人都居于中心位置,例如:克里斯蒂安·阿曼普(Christiane Amanpour),Fareed Zakaria,Bhaskar Sunkara和Jeet Heer。

许多分析人士对亚洲左翼人士的崛起感到惊讶。 它们具有通常表示保守主义的许多特征:收入高于平均水平,高中毕业率高,结婚率高,离婚率低,企业拥有率高,福利使用率低,并且犯罪很少。 他们也在 平权行动和配额制的失败局面,其中许多来自遭受共产主义统治和/或伊斯兰恐怖主义袭击的国家。

尼克松总统与参议员邝友良(HI)于1972年方是第一个亚洲有史以来当选为参议员,和共和党。
尼克松总统与参议员邝友良(HI)于1972年方是第一个亚洲有史以来当选为参议员,和共和党。

这是30年前的事实,当时大多数亚洲人投票赞成共和党,但事实仍然如此。 发生了什么变化? 2012年,Richard Posner教授 建议 许多人出于非物质原因投票:

然而,只有在人们普遍相信人们投票赞成他们的利益,即投票支持他们认为最有可能促进对他们有利的政策的候选人时,亚裔美国人的投票行为才令人感到困惑。 但是许多选民不投票自己的利益。 。 。 投票比工具性行为更具表现力:比起购买彩票,更像是在戏剧或音乐会上鼓掌。

波斯纳教授建议,包括亚洲人在内的许多人都将共和党视为白人的政党,尤其是农村和南部的白人,他们是激进的基督教和战争,而民主党人则是受过良好教育的城市政党,城市精英,大都会主义者。非白人。 想要向自己和其他人证明自己受过良好教育并且具有文化素养的亚洲人投票给民主党。 查尔斯·默里(Charles Murray)得出了类似的结论 after 美国总统奥巴马 韩元 蝉联 拥有73%的亚洲选票:

尽管有种种原因自然会促使他们投票选出一个拥有自由,取得成功的机会和经济增长的政党,但在某种程度上,保守主义在亚洲人的脑海中被定义为没有吸引力。 我认为解释很简单。 这些不是在公众心目中定义共和党的主题。 亚洲人把共和党人(如拉丁裔,黑人和大部分白人)看作是重击圣经,反对同性恋,反对堕胎的创造主义者的政党。

现在,比起共和党,不再是2012年的福音派狂热分子聚会了。 相反,通常说这是“白色的委屈”,如果对自由派精英更具冒犯性,对非白人同样没有吸引力。

巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)总统在18年8月2012日于美国哥伦比亚特区华盛顿举行的亚太美国国会研究学会第XNUMX届年度晚宴上发表主题演讲后致敬观众。(图片来源:©Pete Souza / White House / ZUMAPRESS .com)
巴拉克·奥巴马(Barack Obama)总统在18年8月2012日于美国哥伦比亚特区华盛顿举行的亚太美国国会研究学会第XNUMX届年度晚宴上发表主题演讲后致敬观众。(图片来源:©Pete Souza / White House / ZUMAPRESS .com)

散文家 罗伯·亨德森 认为 美国精英炫耀自己地位的一种方式是通过关于种族和性别的“唤醒”意识形态。 直到最近,只有大学才教授这种技巧,要理解几乎没有意义的思想需要高于平均水平的智力。 它们表明信徒有空余时间来研究复杂的抽象。 亚洲人重视教育,地位和金钱,但它所需要的不仅仅是金钱和学位。 加入自由派精英:您需要说醒学者的语言。 因此,亚洲人(其中许多人与上层阶级距离很近)在寻求向上流动性时已经“醒了”。 用更多种族现实主义者的话来说,亚洲人倾向于顺从主义者,而不是独立的思想家,并且已经接受了 规范 他们想参加的班级。

可以改变吗?

亚洲人可以通过两种方式重返共和党。

首先是,拥有大量亚洲人的美国精英阶层可能会向右翼转移,或者至少变得不那么醒悟。 从历史上看,精英人士倾向于保守。 美国目前的统治阶级是独一无二的。在 贝尔曲线,查尔斯·默里(Charles Murray)和理查德·赫恩斯坦(Richard Herrnstein) 推测 说:

白人精英应该思考的问题与实际关于种族的思考之间的紧张关系将接近断点。 必须考虑这种悲观的预后:休息时,解决认知失调时常发生的结果将是另一个方向的过度反应。 与其迫切需要对种族的坦率和现实主义,该国将面临与民权运动之前美国一样甚至更大的种族分裂和敌对情绪。 我们意识到,预测对种族对话持清教徒态度的受过教育和有影响力的美国人似乎将多么公开地转向种族主义。 我们绝不会说这是可能的。 但是,这不仅仅是可能的。 如果真的发生了,那么对于保管状态的所有设想将比现在任何人都无法想象的更加令人不快-更加恶毒。

现在的精英是白人和亚裔,但认知失调是相同的。 正如乔·索伯兰(Joe Sobran)所说:“按照他们的交配和迁徙习惯,自由主义者与Ku Klux Klan成员没有区别。” 上流社会的白人和亚洲人在远离黑人和西班牙裔的地方购买房屋,并将他们的孩子送往黑人和西班牙裔很少的学校上学,因为他们投票支持促进融合,移民,高税和宽松犯罪法的候选人。 有一天,精英们可能会打破这些危险的习惯,变得保守起来,也许会变得戏剧性。 如果发生这种变化,亚洲人将是其中很大的一部分。

特朗普领导人丽莎·辛(Lisa Shin)博士的韩国人在共和党全国代表大会的最后一天于21年2016月XNUMX日在俄亥俄州克利夫兰向代表致辞。 (图片提供:©Richard Ellis / ZUMA Wire)
特朗普领导人丽莎·辛(Lisa Shin)博士的韩国人在共和党全国代表大会的最后一天于21年2016月XNUMX日在俄亥俄州克利夫兰向代表致辞。 (图片提供:©Richard Ellis / ZUMA Wire)

如果亚洲人成为中产阶级,他们将更有可能投票选举共和党人。 富人和穷人都偏爱民主党。 富人是因为自由的姿态,穷人是因为需求。 目前,美国的亚洲人往往是一个或另一个,其中一些群体很穷,而另一些则很富有(当然有些是中产阶级)。

五年来美国社区调查的数据。 2015年的全国贫困率为13.5。 雅各宾杂志上的图。
五年来美国社区调查的数据。 2015年的全国贫困率为13.5。 图来自 雅各宾 杂志.
2015 年全国家庭收入中位数为 $56,516。
2015年全国家庭收入中位数为 56,516 美元.

这种“中产阶级的鸿沟”不仅存在于亚洲群体之间,也存在于它们内部。 饰演Bhaskar Sunkara 说过 的印度裔美国人,“我们要么为您抽气,要么进行心脏直视手术。” 贫困率与全国平均水平最接近的亚洲群体,如韩国人和越南人,最有可能投票给共和党,“共和党中产阶级”的收入中位数为每年 50 至 75,000 美元。 没有多少富有的亚洲人可能会“落入”中产阶级,而智商较低的亚洲群体可能仍是下层阶级。

对亚洲投票的不可预测的影响将是 移民。 通过移民,亚洲人在人口中所占的比重比任何其他种族的增长都快,但没人知道未来几十年或从何而来的人口将达到多少。

多年来,中国,印度和菲律宾一直是亚洲移民中最常见的三个来源,但即使加在一起,它们也不像墨西哥那样成为亚洲移民的主要来源。 西班牙人.

灾难,饥荒和战争都会影响移民,无法预料。 下任民主党总统 可以授予 难民身份移至缅甸的罗兴亚穆斯林,并淹没了我们成千上万(甚至数十万)的难民。 印度和巴基斯坦之间的战争将增加两国从美国的移民。 伊朗内战也将如此。 还是泰国的饥荒。 这些民族都是不同的。 今天,亚洲人仅占总人口的6%或7%,因此新移民可以改变亚洲人在收入,教育,智商等方面的整体平均水平。如果未来的亚裔美国人成为中产阶级,他们将更有可能投票给共和党人。

但是这种改变将需要时间,而且无论如何都需要未来 亚洲移民 可能是没有受过教育的农民,而不是企业家。

缅甸的罗兴亚人。 可能不是未来的共和党人。 (图片来源:外交,联邦和发展局,维基媒体)
缅甸的罗兴亚人。 可能不是未来的共和党人。 (图片来源:外交,联邦和发展办公室 通过维基媒体)

改变精英态度是最快的方法 理智 美国人 政治。 亚洲人不受白人内or或特权指控的束缚,可能最适合实现这一目标。 去年,杨安德(Andrew Yang)争取民主党总统候选人提名 中国捐助者的大力支持 -即使那些从总体上讲是保守的人,即使他没有直接提出民族诉求。 雄辩而有能力 保守的 认为亚洲人的利益与民主党的政策背道而驰的亚洲人可能会吸引很多支持。

那么,亚洲人会醒来吗? 可能是这样-但是如果他们醒悟到现实,那对这个国家尤其有利。

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  1. Tulip 说:

    亚洲选民转变的部分原因是,移民浪潮从沉重的基督教亚洲人(投票支持共和党)转移到了佛教徒/印度教徒/穆斯林或无教徒。 认为亚洲人是独裁者是错误的。

    无论是好是坏,共和党都受到福音派基督徒的高度认同,他们可能会反驳其他宗教传统的人们。 世俗化的共和党可能更有可能吸引亚洲选民。 共和党的问题在于,它需要的不是真正的东西(公司说客的阵线)来吸引选民,而且它带入福音派的门槛很低,关于结束堕胎和恢复祈祷的一些空洞承诺在没有任何实际机会颁布的学校中。

    • 回复: @Jake
    , @Black Picard
  2. If future Asian-Americans end up middle class, they would be more likely to vote Republican.

    The only way that’s happening is if they import more of the Street Shitters, which Zion Don appears to be doing enthusiastically. Will they end up as middle class GOP voters, though? I’d rather be hoodrich in Asia than middle class in America. I’ve worked with plenty of Pajeets, and they’re content to suck the system dry, then go home and buy their mansion in Hyderabad.

    • 哈哈: 36 ulster
    • 回复: @ABCStar
  3. anon[712]• 免责声明 说:

    It just goes to show that Asians are easily manipulated by the media. The media portrays the Republicans as losers and the Democrats as sophisticated and winning and Asians vote accordingly. The gullibility of the East Asians especially is the almost universal acceptance of Corona masks. They’re worn by East Asiatics at work, on the street, and when they’re driving home alone in the car without any question. They just accept the lies of the television and internet propaganda as the gospel. If they were as smart as we’re always hearing they are, they would question the lack of logic and common sense in most covid policies put forth by corporations, government and academe, but instead, they just accept everything they hear like a bunch of low IQ morons.

  4. Steven80 说:

    Nowadays the “Asian” census consists of mostly Indians, Cambodians, Philipinons and other southern nations, that tend to like some version of oriental socilaism and generally have a lower IQ that the Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, North Chinese.
    Unless there is a breakup by ethnicity or birthplace, there is no point of discussing the previous and current wokeness. I’m pretty sure the Chinese in 1992 and the Chinese in 2020 tend to have sililar political aspirations.

    • 回复: @Pruckus
  5. Asian attitudes all depends on the strong horse. They’re yellow dogs and will follow whatever is deemed rich, powerful, or prestigious.

    • 同意: AceDeuce
  6. Nona 说:

    As to Asians, I hardly think they care very much about the U.S. politics or voting. They’re here for the US\$, to go into businesses (with their own orgs, thousands of orgs. and societies, which branch out – and they do have a great amount of money, come to the U.S. and take away the small, businesses, from the local, domestic Mom & Pop stores. This has taken place all over the Eastern Coast, in N.J, where the Koreans have taken over the liquor stores, the restaurants ( noodle houses, only) , and the hardware stores, and the Dollar Stores.

    The Indians have taken over the newspaper stores.

    • 回复: @Thomasina
  7. Antifa and BLM running wild in the streets may influence an Asian surge for Trump.

    The Tiger parents and small business owners don’t approve of law-and-order breakdowns.

    • 回复: @Tor597
  8. Bert33 说:

    How many are under the direct or indirect influence or control of countries of origin on the Asian continent? Re: Chinese operatives

  9. ABCStar 说:
    @Supply and Demand

    Can u kinda chill?

    Btw,same pajeets seem to be owning everything they touch Wealth CHECK,Spelling Bee CHECk,Geo Bee CHECK,Science fairs CHECK.

    Btw excepting chinese ,the rest of asians seem to be an useless lot.Check their numbers in any event in USA ,they are not greatly represented even thought their population is quite high,like Koreans and Japanese ,Filipinos.They dont even seem to do quarter of what indians did when their population was similar in the past.

    Not much attention is being shown to their domination in science fairs.42 percent of them were finalists in STS last year even though they are less than 1 percent of the population.

    Bow to your Brown Masters.

  10. Essayist Rob Henderson argues that one way American elites show off their status is through “woke” ideology about race and sex. Until recently, only universities taught this mush, and it takes an above-average intelligence to understand ideas that make so little sense. They signal that believers have the leisure to study convoluted abstractions. Asians value education, status, and money, but it takes more than money and a degree to join the liberal elite: You need to speak the language of woke academics.

    I think modern art explains the modern world. Imagine an educated upper-class type looking at something like a Jackson Pollock painting and pontificating, nose in the air, “What is art? How do you define art? Can you say some art is better (sneer) than others? It’s all relative right?” etc.

    An average person would take one look and say “Yeah… my five year old could have done that.”

    Rob Henderson writes:

    Veblen proposed that the wealthy flaunt these symbols not because they are useful, but because they are so pricey or wasteful that only the wealthy can afford them, which is why they’re high-status indicators.

    Personally, I like knowing and speaking the plain truth. But maybe because the plain truth is available to anyone, it can’t have status value.

    So what to do? It’s not that I don’t care about status at all, but I certainly can’t bring myself to actually go along with this woke nonsense.

    The best strategy I’ve come up with is to just avoid these kinds of people, but it’s gotten harder because it keeps spreading. I don’t even try to argue with them anymore: it’s like wrestling with a pig, you both get dirty but the pig likes it.

    • 同意: The Wild Geese Howard
  11. Given Trump’s yellow peril demagoguery about China, I can’t imagine many Asians supporting him.

    • 同意: Tor597
  12. My wife being Vietnamese has given me a glimpse of the support they have for Donald Trump right now. All her friends and family are voting Trump, which is a complete reversal of their 2016 attitudes. Many of them (including my wife) have memories of the Communist takeover in 1975 and are unnerved by the civil unrest here lately. There is also a lot of anger at black criminality being perpetrated on Vietnamese business owners and citizens. Top it off with Trump taking on their traditional nemesis China. As for the American Chinese, a lot of them are voting Trump as well.

  13. 现在,比起共和党,不再是2012年的福音派狂热者聚会了。 取而代之的是说这是“白人不满”政党,

    那挺好的。 对话需要将白人作为一个有兴趣的团体,而不是一些信仰和价值观的常规。

  14. Alvin 说:
    @anon

    They’re smart in their technical areas of expertise at work, but rely on CNN for everything else.

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  15. Alvin 说:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    I notice the same with the Vietnamese in my community. Very anti-communist, like Cubans, which explains their pro-Republican leanings. What’s different about the Chinese? They have recent history of Mao and communist terror.

  16. Tor597 说:

    As a conservative Asian American, I can 100% confirm the first part of the article. Asian Americans see the Republican party as the party of white identity politics with very little redeeming qualities.

    To Asians, the Republican Party is for prole whites and Evangelicals who don’t believe in evolution or science. This is a big turn off for Asians who aren’t going to care about the abortion issue and Republicans have pretty much given up on any appealing angle like low taxes and eliminating the welfare state.

    The second part of the article basically says we are voting Democrat just because it is fashionable and Asians are conformist.

    This says more about Republicans who want to steroetype us as soulless robots. Sure Democrats are racist against Asians too and work against us with affirmative action. But at least Democrats are not outwardly hostile towards us like Republicans are.

    Even before Trump decided to call the pandemic the China Virus and white people started to attack Asians collectively, Asians could spot the underlying hostility.

    The last part of the article was just lame. So the authors idea on how to “fix asians” is to make us middle class and that will make us want to vote for Trump? Yeah right.

    If Republicans are actually serious about courting our vote:
    1) Quit being so outwardly hostile towards us.
    2) Actually stand for something that will make a difference like shrinking the government instead of pushing the abortion issue.
    3) Show an appreciation for intelligence and drop cringey issues like evolution.

    • 同意: d dan
    • 哈哈: Pop Warner
  17. @Elmer T. Jones

    I believe your statements about Vietnam, but Xinhua news polled American Born Chinese, 6,000 of them, and got roughly 5% of them supporting Trump. Yang’s endorsement of Biden was the clincher for most — not Trump’s anti-China rhetoric. They may be more faithful to the Dems than the negroes. They also are in no way benefitted by lying to the pollster.

  18. Tor597 说:
    @Beavertales

    没有机会。

    Trump threw Asian Americans under the bus by pushing the whole “China Virus” angle. A lot of Asian Americans have faced significant discrimination because of that.

    Even if we don’t like crimes from protests and BLM, having to deal with a second Trump term would be MUCH worse for us.

  19. Tor597 说:
    @Bert33

    How many are under the direct or indirect influence or control of countries of origin on the Asian continent? Re: Chinese operatives

    And this is how the typical Republican views Asians.

  20. Tor597 说:
    @Elmer T. Jones

    哈哈,不。

    The bulk of Asians supporting Trump will be older like your wife and her friends. These people have horrible memories of their native country. The younger they are the more they will skew Democrat.

    I wouldn’t take what they tell you as how they will actually vote either. Oh, and communism has nothing to do with anything whatsoever.

    I do buy that Vietnamese are more likely to support Trump because they stand to benefit from an anti-China policy.

    As far as Chinese Americans, the ones most likely to vote for Trump will skew much older. Some Chinese Americans will vote for Trump because they know he is incompetent and not likely to succeed in getting China to do anything. See our trade deficit with China since Trump took office.

  21. gotmituns 说:

    亚洲人会保持苏醒吗?
    ----------
    No, when the shit hits the fan here with the blacks, the Orientals will side with the White people, at least until the menace to humanity (blacks and jews) are dealt with.

  22. Bucky 说:

    是的,他们将保持苏醒。

    被抢劫和破坏的小企业由第一代人经营。 第二代试图在办公室找到公司工作。

    这个政府不再是反共主义者了。 反共产主义给了戈普纪律和尊严。 共产主义者是一个很好的敌人。

    现在,该党是白人种族主义政党。 亚洲人本身并不反对这一点,但是白人种族主义政党经常将他们作为敌对目标。

    • 回复: @Jake
  23. @anon

    Sorry to hurt your racial pride but where I live (upstate NY) everyone of people like you wears a diaper. Some diapers they wear are red white and blue and perhaps custom made. When I see good American slaves like these, I feel very proud and patriotic. You should be proud too.

    • 回复: @Ugetit
  24. @Elmer T. Jones

    Tell your wife and her friends to watch out for the white thugs black thugs Hispanic thugs who may attack her for being “Chinese” and for infecting them with the “Chinese virus”. They will not give her and her friends a chance to cry “But i am not Chinese!” Well, they don’t give a flying fuck. Of course, she and her friends can thank Trump and his mouth for this fair treatment.

    • 同意: Tor597, HeebHunter
  25. @Bert33

    That is true in different ways. With the Chinese there is really a very powerful rack of the CCP into the USA and its Chinese communities. With all other Asian communities it’s not that direct, but rather a soft power of cultural and financial allegiances and loyalties that are not at all to American or even just a general European affiliation to what Europeans produced … the societies and institutions we and they benefit from.

    What people have not yet realized (whether intentional or not) is that the “immigration” before and after 1960 are TOTALLY different things. Post 1960 is not even immigration, it’s literally population replacement; like a cuckoo that lays its egg in a different species’ nest to get them to raise they child and push their own out of the nest. They’re colonizing us and destroying us, and it’s a specific tribe of people that’s behind it,

    • 同意: The Wild Geese Howard
  26. Arcadian 说:

    If I were a Chinese/Asian and would listen to Trump talking about China it would be my last idea to vote for him. It is Trump’s hostility towards the Asians.

    • 同意: Tor597
    • 回复: @Eugene Norman
  27. Thomasina 说:
    @Nona

    “As to Asians, I hardly think they care very much about the U.S. politics or voting. They’re here for the US\$.”

    Yes. They are here ONLY for the money. They could care less about the Constitution, free speech, right to bear arms, or anything to do with the country.

    Citizens of convenience.

    All immigrant groups form strong associations and societies. They lobby and vote as a group, and they don’t mind stepping on your head to get what they want. Of course they’re going to vote for the party that gives them policies and programs to come out ahead of you.

    It’s as if they’re at war with the host country.

  28. @Priss Factor

    Given Trump’s yellow peril demagoguery about China, I can’t imagine many Asians supporting him.

    >同意: 托597

    他在这里 自称 yesterday that he wasn’t Chinese! I guess this is what happens when you LARP with a high IQ combined with a low EQ…

    • 回复: @Tor597
  29. @ABCStar

    Bow to your Brown Masters.

    How endearing and diplomatic…

  30. I think the closest historical analogy to where we are right now is 1917 Russia. The Bolsheviks relied on Chinese and Latvian Jews to provide personal security to the top Bolsheviks, staff the mid to upper levels of the CheKa’s torture and execution chambers, conduct the mass executions, and administer intra-military punishments. Bands of Chinese militia roamed Russia looting and killing the terrorized Russians with impunity. Russian families starved to death in their basements rather than venture out and risk falling into the hands of Chinese torturers.

    内战期间的白军宣传海报。 仔细观察:

    多年来,新布尔什维克一直在认真地培养亚裔美国人。 亚洲人将与犹太人结盟,这给他们以后的巨大遗憾,但是对于白人来说,为时已晚。

  31. Chinaman 说:

    I am a Trump supporter. All Chinese are Trump supporters.

    Trump have done more for the Chinese than any American President by uniting us. All Chinese have a common enemy now, America. Trump have awaken our racial identity and our patriotism. The utilisation of despicable and dirty tactics such as the kidnapping of the daughter of Huawei and the illegal expropriation and of TikTok ( no different than Hitler ‘s forced divestment of Jewish business in 1933), Trump have made this civilisational struggle between China and the West PERSONAL for all Chinaman. We will not sit there and let white people do to us what you did to the Native Indians or Australian Aboriginals. Bring it on.

    Trump and his crew have done more for the China and CCP than any other administration by destroying and tearing apart America. America’s economy is crippled and on the country is on the brink of civil war. CCP didn’t have to lift a finger and just watch as America implode. How many atom bombs and Pearl Harbours do you need to kill 200,000 people and cause the suffering of millions.

    Please vote for Trump!

    • 同意: Tor597
    • 回复: @Ugetit
    , @Thomasina
  32. @Tor597

    In other words, Asian Americans, just like all other non-Whites in America are traitors and should be sent back to where they came from. Because they cannot even handle a small jibe about the China Virus (objectively true) and because they want to be pandered to from the racial angle even though everything the Republicans do it in the interests of Asians 在美国.

    Of course the Asians don’t care that much about what happens to them in America, they want a good deal for their 真实 家园。

    Either way this is good, Whites need to understand that the “based Asian” meme is dumb and all of these interlopers will stab them in the back the first chance they get and will laugh about it afterwards.

    Republicans should in reality just declare themselves to be the White People’s Party and directly ask White people for their vote instead of pandering to ungrateful “minorities” (1.4bn Chinese, a similar amount of Indians, “minorities” my arse) who they have no chance in winning because the Democrats will always hate Whitey more and Asians, whether they be Chinese, Indians, or South-East Asians will always hate Whitey.

    Asians, Blacks and Latinos would quite honestly prefer to be poorer and less well off if combined with White genocide than they would if Whites were to remain a majority.

    How many tech jobs will White Americans have to lose before they realise these Asians are not your friends?

    Why the hell are Asians who have done almost nothing to build up America given the right to make demands based on their ethnic and racial interests and shove around the White people, the ones who really founded America?

    White Americans are really in for a tough ride. They will have a toxic mix of liberal Whites, Jews, Chinese and Indians ruling over them and mocking their culture and traditions, while from the other side they will have violent blacks physically terrorising them.

    All these Asians need to be sent back, they will be the cruelest of oppressors when the time comes.

    • 同意: AceDeuce, Pop Warner
  33. Dexter P 说:
    @anon

    Low openness, high conscientiousness, high agreeableness – these are a recipe for conformity regardless of race, but they are found more in East Asians. East Asians evolved in Siberia, a harsh climate with exceptionally cold winters, which put eugenic pressure on cooperation and uniformity because any form of individuality is met with suspicion and you can’t survive by yourself in that environment. This is also why they have such stable marriages – a woman living in Siberia cannot be expected to raise a child by herself and so those that did died out. Again this is tied to high conscientiousness, agreeableness, and suchlike. This predisposes them to solve the social problem rather than the intellectual one. Solving the intellectual one would lead them to vote for GOP more because that is what is in their financial and cultural interests. However, what with the extreme leftwing bias in media, elites, and higher professions, solving the social problem leads them to conclude that they should vote Democrat.

    TL;DR – accepting everything one hears, is related to IQ, sure, but also, perhaps even more so, related to (low) openness, conscientiousness, agreeableness. These are all K-selected traits, Asians are K-selected, therefore they are more likely to accept everything they hear. If Asians were a biological sex, they’d be women.

  34. @anon

    It just goes to show that Asians are easily manipulated by the media.

    They are just voting for their racial interests, only Whites vote along the lines of principles by and large. The minorities are highly racialised (as one would expect, the White minority in the likes of South Africa and Rhodesia is also very racialised, although their racial consciousness stems more from violent attacks against their kind from the black majority)

    So in the end, Asians are actual smart and the Asian worshipping Republicans and even White Nationalists like some at 美国文艺复兴 are schmucks for thinking they can “ally” with Asians who are in my view even more dangerous to White group interests as they are fairly intelligent and many have historical grievances against us (Chinese want revenge for the Century of Humiliation, the Indians want revenge for the British Raj, the South-East Asians want revenge for the various American interventions in their nations etc)

  35. Locally, we have a Korean Democrat running for Satte Senate. I assume (and hope) this is an outlier, since Koreans in the US tend to be even more Evangelical Christian than White Southerners. Not to mention they have a good example of what unbridled socialism can do from their northern neighbor back in the old country.

  36. anonymous[795]• 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Except that most non-Chinese Asians don’t view themselves as being part of the same ethnic group as Chinese and would resent being lumped together with Chinese. In America, there might be an umbrella racial category known as “Asian,” but this is only because the children of Asian immigrants are no longer connected to their ancestral home cultures and are divorced from the geopolitical realities of Asia itself, in which case it’s pointless to speak of them as being Asian in any meaningful sense except for checking a box for American job/university applications and maybe joining the hate-Whitey POC gravy train and getting in on the grift of grievance-mongering and benefit-seeking.

    In Asia itself, non-Chinese feel more enmity towards Chinese than they do towards other foreigners. And that’s because they know that the Chinese feel themselves to be superior to everyone else. Filipinos, for example, have borne the brunt of racial contempt from Chinese in HK, Taiwan, and mainland Chinese constantly and are much more friendly to America than to China, especially when you taken into account the Christian, Roman Catholic connection.

    Chinese are especially arrogant and conceited when interacting with their Asian neighbors, and the latter can feel it very palpably. While Chinese people’s pride and racial nationalism can be advantage, it can have many drawbacks as well. The disadvantage is that the Chinese always alienate potential allies. This has been the case over and over again throughout history. The Chinese behind closed doors don’t acknowledge the independent existence of ANY country in Asia.

    You have to understand that the Chinese feel that Koreans and Japanese don’t have the right to exist independently and are racially just Chinese, their cultures being Chinese-derivatives. This is the Chinese attitude toward Korea, Japan, and Mongolia, to say nothing of Taiwan.

    As far as Southeast Asians go, the Chinese view them as racially inferior whose fate is to pay tribute to China. In the minds of the Chinese, China practically INVENTED Asia.

    Chinese ambitions do not stop with reunificaiton of Taiwan and Hong Kong – they are far broader and nefarious than people think. Historically, this has always been the case. This is why all of China’s neighbors view China as an existential threat and view its increasing power with apprehension and dread.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  37. @Craig Nelsen

    The neo-Bolsheviks have been carefully nurturing Asian-Americans for years. Asians will ally themselves with Jews, to their enormous later regret, but for whites it will be too late.

    Why would they regret destroying the White Race?

  38. anonymous[795]• 免责声明 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The Bolsheviks relied on Chinese and Latvian Jews to provide personal security to the top Bolsheviks, staff the mid to upper levels of the CheKa’s torture and execution chambers, conduct the mass executions, and administer intra-military punishments. Bands of Chinese militia roamed Russia looting and killing the terrorized Russians with impunity. Russian families starved to death in their basements rather than venture out and risk falling into the hands of Chinese torturers.

    Your post is the biggest bullshit I’ve ever read on this site. To blame Chinese for doing mass executions and terrorizing Russians has to be the biggest deflection from Jewish Bolshevik terror I’ve ever read. Your post is a new low in hasbara and Jewish propaganda. No one is convinced by it and, quite honestly, it’s disgusting.

    • 回复: @Ugetit
  39. Goddard 说:
    @Tor597

    Quit being so outwardly hostile towards us.

    You’re either a pussy or a traitor, or possibly both. When Trump calls the virus the China virus, why would you, supposedly a conservative Asian American, feel offended? Trump is not going after Americans, which is what you claim to be, but the government of a foreign nation, the People’s Republic of China.

    Determine honestly and as soon as possible where your true loyalties lie, and act accordingly. Your ancestral homeland awaits you; go back, the government will issue you your new shengfenzheng within weeks. Or stop your whining about white people not loving you enough, step up, do your duty as a American, and vote Trump.

    • 回复: @Tor597
  40. Ugetit 说:
    @Blackjack8793

    I’m not from NY but the diaper wearing here seems to be 100%. I’m still shocked as well as depressed at the overwhelming submissiveness on display by everyone, and I mean everyone. I don’t remember when I’ve seen a person without one. They even wear ’em while jogging, biking, and driving alone.

    I almost never wear one and the verbal attacks I get are on the increase while it’s very rare for a person to agree with me when I comment on the silliness of wearing the things. What really amazes me is how the medical community complies although I had a doc admit that he thought the COVID scam was “about 75%” farce. If they really cared about our health, one would think they’d call out the scare mongers and rebel.

    青衫。

  41. God's Fool 说:

    Why do we need more Asians in America?

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  42. theMann 说:

    Gibberish, bordering on bullshit. In the end non- Whites go to the polls with one overarching aim:

    Stick it to Whitey.

    It is about time every White American acknowledged that fact.

    • 同意: AceDeuce
  43. Jake 说:
    @Tulip

    真正。

    当几乎所有中东移民都是基督徒时,他们在基本价值观和投票方面也趋于保守。 美国的穆斯林中东人通过政治手段来获取免费赠品并以牺牲白人为代价来获得政权。

    左派知道这一切,所以左派将继续向非白人赠予糖果,他们的基督教信仰越弱,吞下诱饵的速度就越快。

    Evangelicalism always comes off to most ‘other’ people as a religion about race/ethnicity/national origin. That is because all Protestant groups were founded that way for that purpose.

    这就是每个人都将塞尔维亚东正教教会视为关于塞尔维亚人和塞尔维亚人的身份和文化的原因,仅此而已。

  44. Jake 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    True. And history shows that Asians make very good and very willing Marxist monsters, both as leaders and as grunts.

  45. Letting Africans, Asians and Jews into the USA has been the biggest of mistakes.

    The Caucasian Race was doomed by these decisions.

    Satan laughs.

  46. Jake 说:
    @Bucky

    The GOP is the ‘white racialist party’ the same way that the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was the party of workers and the downtrodden.

  47. Ugetit 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    I think the closest historical analogy to where we are right now is 1917 Russia.

    I agree. The parallels are amazing although we ain’t seen nothing yet. I suspect that’s largely due to the fact that we still have some firepower and they haven’t really tried to starve or terrorize us yet.

    Here’s an example of the attitude of the enemy.

    [The non-goy]… Anatoly Vasilyevich Lunacharsky, Lenin’s Soviet People’s Commissar of
    Enlightenment, wrote: “We hate Christianity and Christians. Even the best of them must be
    regarded as our worst enemies. They preach love of one’s neighbor and mercy which is contrary
    to our principles. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the revolution. Down with
    love of one’s neighbor. What we need is hatred; only thus shall we conquer the universe.”

    -As quoted in, The Myth of German Villainy, by Benton L. Bradberry

    文件:/// C:/Users/jeff/Downloads/The%20Myth%20of%20German%20Villainy.pdf

  48. @Alvin

    Alas, that describes the upper-middle-class Whites as well.

  49. MLK 说:
    @Tor597

    Opposition to abortion is “anti-science?” Whether you think it a necessary evil or the fundament of women’s equality, you’re either ignorant or a sick person if you think abortion is commanded by Science.

    As a conservative Asian American . . .

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that you’re a conservative in any meaningful sense of the term. True to form, you’re engaged in post-hoc reasoning. Republicans are losing Asian voters so you blame Evangelicals and Hillary’s deplorables.

    Evangelicals saved candidate Trump. The Access Hollywood set-piece was arranged by “conservatives” like you to cause Evangelicals and other social conservatives to abandon him. They did no such thing and the rest is history. Like so many other Americans they finally had enough of being snookered by Bush Republicans like yourself.

    • 回复: @MLK
    , @Tor597
  50. bjondo 说:

    亚洲人已经看到他们的辛勤工作在
    the Democrat’s ISIS flames and Antifa bricks.

    They help make sure Trump re elected – HUGE.

    • 回复: @GoodTwin
    , @Bucky
  51. Ugetit 说:
    @Chinaman

    Your post tells it like it undoubtedly is, except for this load of b.s,

    ( no different than Hitler ‘s forced divestment of Jewish business in 1933)

    In fact, the Germans became united in the face of threats very similar to what you’re describing except that the threats were 许多 more violent and real. Trump is a nutless, mouthy, paper tiger compared with the unbelievably hideous and pervasive terror actively spread in Russia and Europe prior to Hitler’s rise and which continues, though much attenuated in outward violence, yet as pervasive and every bit as dangerous, to this day.

    It’s long past due to drop the “Hitler bad” baloney. I cannot believe that century old, outrageously hysterical war propaganda is believed and continues to be spouted to this day.

  52. @Arcadian

    One of the reasons the US is doomed as a hegemon is because it needs to be hostile to two of its most intellectual groups of people – whites and the Chinese. Whites because the US needs a white minority to have a population which can reasonably hope to counter China, and the Chinese Americans for obvious reasons. If Biden wins it remains to be seen if the US. will remain anti-China. Probably.

    It won’t work, of course. China is homogenous. The US isn’t.

  53. GoodTwin 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Chinese know best tge reality of the “Yellow Peril.” While they have mostly been on-board with China’s long term plans in the past, I expect their thinking will shift as China changes in character. With Xi in power we have one of the great world-historic moments signaling a more aggressive China that is now throwing it’s weight around. Many Chinese will see the US as a necessary check to Xi and don’t want the heavily compromised Dems in power. Even if they support Chinese policies in China, they want America to remain American so they can have a nice playground and back-up plan.
    The other major factor that I think is swinging Asians Right is tge disgusting BLM psychophantry. Asians are just as ethnocentric as any normal group, but they prefer Whites to Blacks. They are milking tge American cash cow, why slaughter it for some quick beef?

  54. GoodTwin 说:
    @bjondo

    I agree, just based on the percentage of Asians I saw at a PA Trump rally last week. They like America as it is and don’t want to lose it even if China benefits (though I am just guessing that they were Chinese). There were a ton of Orthodox Jews there as well. These people may not be traditional Republicans, but neither is Trump. If he wins tomorrow tge GOP has a chance to expand its base in all kinds of directions, in spite of itself.

  55. MLK 说:
    @MLK

    Some Asians we’re all proud of:

  56. Ugetit 说:
    @anonymous

    Your post is the biggest bullshit I’ve ever read on this site. To blame Chinese for doing mass executions and terrorizing Russians has to be the biggest deflection from Jewish Bolshevik terror I’ve ever read.

    I doubt anyone is blaming “the Chinese,” but how can there be little doubt that the Reds used anyone they could get their hands on to do their dirty work? There is evidence that the post you’re criticizing describes part of the hoary truth. Even Wiki (notably unreliable in these matters) admits to it. If you don’t believe it, at least consider the references provided there.

    看一下这个,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_in_the_Russian_Revolution_and_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

    Note: I apologize for using Wiki as a source, but it’s the most succinct one I could find on the subject at hand, and it only takes a few seconds to read its summary which seems quite informative.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  57. Bucky 说:
    @bjondo

    在GOP大会上有多少亚洲人演讲? 多少定期在福克斯新闻上谈论?

    共和党甚至没有打扰。 他们将非常努力地使黑人成为聚光灯,但不要在一天中的任何时间给其他种族。

    • 回复: @bjondo
  58. anonymous[795]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ugetit

    I’ll consider the possibility, but you’ve got to give better evidence than Wikipedia (and no, I’m not going to bother going down this rabbit-hole and follow the chain of references myself). You are the one who is defending the post, so give me some better evidence. Point me to a book at least. One good book will do. The burden is on you to come up with the sources. I will read it, as I am genuinely curious about this and this is the first time I’ve read of Chinese being used by the Reds as middle-men and intermediaries in persecuting Russians. So don’t be lazy – show me the proof.

  59. Tor597 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Hey dumb dumb. Again, I’m not Chinese.

    Here is a link to the Republican playbook on how to handle the China Virus.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/gop-memo-anti-china-coronavirus-207244

    The strategy is to attack China and if you get accused of racism to point out that it is only the Chinese communists who they hate. Yeah right lol.

    Like you, the Republican rank and file doesn’t distinguish between Chinese and Chinese American. They are both dangerous foreigners as far as they are concerned.

    And like you, Republicans don’t bother to distinguish Chinese Americans from other Asian Americans. So all Asian Americans even dark skinned ones like Filipinos get harassed.

    You don’t think there will be any blowback from this?

    This isn’t just America by the way. Japanese tourists who go to France get harassed and called racist things because white people see everything as race.

  60. Like you, the Republican rank and file doesn’t distinguish between Chinese and Chinese American. They are both dangerous foreigners as far as they are concerned.

    That is because there is no real difference, the only thing that separates the two is a flimsy bit of paper and as you surely know, blood is more sacred than paper. It is a great source of amusement to me to see our media getting all apoplectic about Russian interference all while promoting the wonders of racial diversity and allowing racial aliens like yourself and millions of others to influence the national politics of White nations.

    The Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation
    Is a Dream Shared by All Chinese: Speech to representatives attending the Seventh Conference of Friendship of Overseas Chinese Associations

    For Chinese people both at home and abroad, a united Chinese nation is our shared root, the profound Chinese culture is our shared soul, and the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation is our shared dream. The shared root fosters eternal brotherhood, the shared soul links our hearts, and the shared dream holds us all together – we will go on to write a new chapter in the history of the Chinese nation.

    We Chinese often say, “Your eyes brim with tears when you encounter a fellow townsman in a distant land.” It makes me feel at home to meet you today. On behalf of the CPC and the State Council, I would like to extend my congratulations to the convening of the Seventh Conference of Friendship of Overseas Chinese Associations, my warm welcome to overseas Chinese attending the conference, and my sincere greetings to overseas Chinese all over the world.

    The tens of millions of overseas Chinese across the world are all members of the Chinese family. In the best of Chinese traditions, generations of overseas Chinese never forget their home country, their origins, or the blood of the Chinese nation flowing in their veins. They have given their enthusiastic support to China’s revolution, construction and reform. They have made a major contribution to the growth of the Chinese nation, to the peaceful reunification of the motherland, and to the friendly people-to-people cooperation between China and other countries. Their contribution will always be remembered.

    Interesting, almost as if they are foreign agents, they are playing the assimilated American for now but who knows what it will take for them to awaken from their slumber, perhaps it will be something as innocuous as calling a virus that originated in China the 中国病毒?

    And like you, Republicans don’t bother to distinguish Chinese Americans from other Asian Americans. So all Asian Americans even dark skinned ones like Filipinos get harassed.

    Harassed by whom? Were they harassed by Aryan racists or by our more melanin-enriched friends? Of course these Asians are demanding the GOP pander to them a bit more and don’t hurt their feelings, hence the will side with a party that does not think very much of them and will stab all those “muh based Asian” GOP cucks in the back as they should.

    In the end, these racial interlopers have a homeland to go back to, they are sucking America dry and will jump ship when the time comes. GOP is making a big mistake by not targeting White folk and White folk only, all it would take is for the GOP to get someone like Jared Taylor on board and most Whites would see the light.

    Chinese Exclusion Act was not evil and racist as some say, it was plain common sense, as was the 1924 Johnson-Reed Act. White America is now paying for this grave judgement, perhaps they deserve it for being complacent.

    This isn’t just America by the way. Japanese tourists who go to France get harassed and called racist things because white people see everything as race.

    Again, I wonder who is really doing the harassing, I doubt it is the native French, but I 希望 White people saw everything as race as you claim, then we wouldn’t be in this predicament.

  61. Anon[362]• 免责声明 说:

    Asian dude here with obvious heterodox views given that I’m on this site. My family has been here for a while (125+ years); I’m very well-acquainted with every type of “Asian” in this country.

    Asians don’t have influence in America. But to the extent that anyone here cares about whether they’ll be loyal to the American nation, that ship sailed long ago. The ship took off when the term “Asian” started being used.

    As others pointed out, “Asian” is not monolithic and includes everyone from Koreans, to Indians, to Samoans like The Rock. It is also recent: my grandparents and even my parents did not view themselves as “Asian-American”, but instead defined themselves as a function of their ethnic heritage (Chinese/Japanese/Korean/etc.). This was ok, because so did the Italians, Jews, and the Irish (most of whom arrived around the same time).

    Unfortunately, since then, the Italians, Jews, and Irish became “White”, while we became “Asian”.

    So the main question is: “if we aren’t considered American after 125 years, when’s it happening?” “And, until then, why should we care about America?’

  62. Anon[362]• 免责声明 说:

    I’ll put my restate comment a little more concisely:

    People notice what you call them. If you call them “Asian”, they’ll behave that way. If you call them “American”, they’ll behave that way.

  63. d dan 说:
    @Tor597

    Tor597 says: “…”

    Thanks for the courage to stand up against those dumb & dumber racists. So many clowns still believe that GOP supports equality in education and is a party of low taxes – two pivotal issues for Asian Americans. And they believe Asian Americans believe what they believe. Hence it is unbelievable that Asian Americans should not support GOP. And therefore they believe, Asian Americans should just take those virulent attacks on them with a nonchalant shrug.

    Real bunch of idiots – no wonder they still support Trump.

    • 同意: Tor597, HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  64. @Anon

    America will always be seen as a White nation, go around the world, especially the Third World and ask them to imagine an “American” and they will give the image of a European phenotype, or sometime a black person as blacks are also an integral part of America in the psyche of most people.

    Post-1965 immigrants are just members of whatever nation they came from, most of them feel little loyalty to America anyway.

  65. Chinaman 说:
    @God's Fool

    To increase the average IQ of America but also China. It is a good deal for both countries.

  66. Tor597 说:
    @Goddard

    笑。

    So I guess all the white nationals here who are always whining about how the media or government is anti-white are also pussies and traitors?

    Its not about being offended by his words. Its about how Americans are angry that they botched the Corona Virus response and they want a scape goat to take it out on.

    Why would an Asian American care if Trump attacked a foreign country? Its because Asian Americans as a whole are being attacked.

    An Asian woman got acid thrown on her head and an Asian kid got his face slashed open.

    https://twitter.com/JayPotato1/status/1239742327893020673?s=20

    No thanks on voting for Trump and supporting Republicans when they only care about white interests.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @Goddard
  67. Tor597 说:
    @MLK

    You need to learn to read.

    Abortion and being anti science are two different topics not one in the same.

    I do think abortion is horrible, but that doesn’t mean I want a platform based around that.

    I am more of a conservative than you are, I just don’t like the white social justice warrior parts of the Republican party.

    Nope, Republicans started to lose the Asian vote before Trump was a thing.

    • 回复: @MLK
  68. bjondo 说:
    @Bucky

    这是真的。
    但是,
    Asians don’t need to be on FOX. Destroyed businesses sufficient.
    特朗普是特朗普。
    沼泽的GOP部分。

    #62在这里评论。 已达到我的评论数上限(2)

    山姆大叔/特朗普踢的卡通人物
    看起来像詹姆斯·卡维尔(James Carville)。

  69. Chinaman 说:
    @anonymous

    In Asia itself, non-Chinese feel more enmity towards Chinese than they do towards other foreigners. And that’s because they know that the Chinese feel themselves to be superior to everyone else. Filipinos, for example, have borne the brunt of racial contempt from Chinese

    I have to agree with your analysis and it is unfortunate that Chinese do view themselves as superior than other Asians because we were way ahead of everyone else until the last 400 years. Some Chinese feel it is time to get back to our “rightful” place in the racial hierarchy and to wash away our past humiliation with the blood of those who have wrong us.

    This mentality is self-defeating of course.

    China need everyone of our Asian brothers and sisters in the civilisational struggle against US hegemony and Western civilisation. This include Japanese and Filipinos. Even though we are separated by 10,000 years of evolution, we all came from mainland China\Asia of course…As a Chinaman, I don’t mind if the new capital of the pan- Asia Union is in Tokyo or Manila as long as we point our gun barrels in the same direction. Chinese chauvinism needs to be tamed.

    There are Asians, Whites and Blacks but in all likelihood, only ONE of these races will survive in the next 1000 years. This final showdown have just begun and Whitie have fired their first shot. You already picked sides whether you like it or not.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @Tor597
  70. Anon[362]• 免责声明 说:

    America will always be seen as a White nation,

    You’re making it sound as if America wasn’t seen as a Protestant, Anglo culture prior to the 60’s. A lot of the people that fit within the ‘White” category were not viewed as such (and did not view themselves as such). To repeat: America was NOT viewed as a nation of Jews (who fall within the white category) historically.

    It is true that America NOW is viewed as a “White” nation. But not always. WNs are just angry that the racial categories– completely artificial ones, by the way, WASPS did not view themselves as Irish or Jewish– are backfiring on them.

    View all Americans as Americans and the problem is solved.

  71. @Anon

    View all Americans as Americans and the problem is solved.

    This is nice thinking, but when you have visible minorities this becomes difficult, especially when these visible minorities as a group have difference behaviour traits that can be noticed by the average person, thus creating this Other.

    In the utopian world, everyone would see themselves as part of one human race and there would be a meritocracy which would ensure the optimum functioning of society, a society that works for all its members.

    But we don’t live in a utopia and a lot of the times a hierarchy is formed and the groups at the bottom do not like it one bit, hence there is massive tensions.

  72. MLK 说:
    @Tor597

    I do think abortion is horrible, but that doesn’t mean I want a platform based around that.

    对你有好处!

    Look, Evangelicals were Quietist until Roe. In my view, more because of its reasoning than legalization per se. In short, Roe deployed faux science (e.g. 3 trimesters) on behalf of the proposition that abortion was a condition precedent of women’s equality..

    . . . but that doesn’t mean I want a platform based around that.

    It’s a childish straw man to argue this. It’s not true. Indeed, their steadfast support for Trump shows they’ve matured out of being cheap dates for establishment Republicans like yourself telling them what they want to hear on abortion and then otherwise selling them out on everything else important to them.

    Nope, Republicans started to lose the Asian vote before Trump was a thing.

    Quite right. Trump will either reverse the trend or merely be the pause that refreshes depending on what Republicans do after he leaves office in four, eight, or fourteen years.

    In any event, you have plenty of time to get it together. Drop “cringy” and get a backbone!

    • 回复: @Tor597
  73. Thomasina 说:
    @Chinaman

    Trump is holding up a mirror. In the mirror we see how the CPP has been actively colluding with the U.S. central bank, Wall Street, the media, and the U.S. multinationals to destroy the U.S.

    Rock on, Chinaman! Your turn will come.

  74. 有几件事:

    This is nice thinking, but when you have visible minorities this becomes difficult, especially when these visible minorities as a group have difference behaviour traits that can be noticed by the average person, thus creating this Other.

    这适用于黑白性能不平等。 我不认为这将如何适用于亚裔白人差异。

    In the utopian world, everyone would see themselves as part of one human race and there would be a meritocracy which would ensure the optimum functioning of society, a society that works for all its members.

    这太夸张了。 亚洲白人之间的区别仍然没有必要。 例如,我看到中国人与俄罗斯人的相处比日本人更好。 与日本人相比,在法国人的晚宴上,同样的俄罗斯人会受到欢迎。 你会不同意吗?

  75. God's Fool 说:
    @Chinaman

    Our IQ is just fine (remember Nanking? We defeated the Japs) notwithstanding blacks and hispanics… you just worry about your own and try not to beg, borrow or steal any more of our technologies and we’ll be ok… thank you very much!

  76. 尽管种种原因自然会促使他们投票选出一个拥有自由,取得成功的机会和经济增长的政党,但发生了种种事情,在亚洲人的心中将保守主义定义为没有吸引力。=

    哈哈。 是的,查尔斯,因为没有人在尖叫“自由!” 就像是发起了 爱国者法案 同时暂停Habeas语料库的命令。

    而且,没有什么比这些臭名昭著的叛逆者的政党投票赞成这样的事实更能表明“狗屎共和党”想要帮助每个人“取得成功”的程度了。 十亿 提高了美国劳动力第一线的最低工资。 到目前为止,它甚至还没有保留。 向上。 带通货膨胀。

    如果说“经济增长”是指最富有的.001%,那是的。 同时,大家 其他 该国的收入低于其祖父在1980年的收入。这在很大程度上要归功于共和党/凯克的“ Tri脚的经济”政策。 谢谢罗尼和弥尔顿!

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  77. Tor597 说:
    @MLK

    I am not a mainstream Republican at all.

    I am a libertarian and I consider myself a true conservative as opposed to someone like Trump who is a liberal who uses wedge issues like race and abortion to trick people into voting for him.

    • 回复: @MLK
  78. @Cho Seung-Hui

    这适用于黑白性能不平等。 我不认为这将如何适用于亚裔白人差异。

    公平地说,亚洲人确实会在融合方面引起较少的问题,但是我认为随着亚洲人口的增长,断层线将变得更加明显,尽管这样做仍然没有好处,但最终目标是什么? 在这个国家有更多的人?

    这太夸张了。 亚洲白人之间的区别仍然没有必要。 例如,我看到中国人与俄罗斯人的相处比日本人更好。 与日本人相比,在法国人的晚宴上,同样的俄罗斯人会受到欢迎。 你会不同意吗?

    For sure, those rivalries you mention were nurtured by centuries of shared history and events, but I assume by “getting along better” you mean fairly short term engagements? If you can show me a place where millions of Chinese live alongside millions of Russians under the same political system in harmony then I will take back my earlier assertions and accept that maybe this aversion to multi-racialism is just an Anglo thing.

    • 回复: @Cho Seung-Hui
  79. Tor597 说:
    @Chinaman

    I agree with your sentiment 100%.

    China should focus on building up Asia as a whole so the whole region can defend itself against western neoliberalism. It will pay off tremendously.

    If China tries to go it alone, it will find itself hated in the region and will be vulnerable to Anglo divide and conquer tactics.

    I think the Chinese are smart enough to figure this out.

    I don’t see the ending as a final battle to see which race survives till the end. That is how Anglos and Jews think. Not Asians.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Chinaman
  80. HeebHunter 说:
    @d dan

    These absolute retards, the “huwhite” ( Arab and North African lineage is also huwhite, of course) Amerimutts still sing songs about how they beat da natzees and expect intelligent non Euros to be their slaves. It is absolutely hilarious.
    I do hope the orange clown does wins though. It will be the last white mutt president and then the leftist can finally pull the curtain down. The anxiety is unbearable.

  81. Tor597 说:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    你住在美国吗?

    我可以看到东亚人和白人如何在许多不同的地方相处。 但是,这种观点与美国白人的发展趋势并不一致。

    美国是一个正在瓦解的国家,高处的白人害怕其他经过的种族被杀死。 他们想要的最后一件事是看到一张黄脸等于他们的脸。

    并非所有的白人都是这样。 俄罗斯更可能接受一个崛起的亚洲,因为他们自己的国家并未瓦解。

  82. HeebHunter 说:
    @Ann T. Zemitik

    Funny how these “huwhite” “nationalists” ignore you.
    当muttmerica中的两个选择都符合犹太标准,并且其中一个对您公开敌视时,您倾向于选择另一个。 为什么在一切崩溃之前不赚钱?

  83. HeebHunter 说:
    @Tor597

    If one belligerent has decided that it will be a zero sum game, it will be a zero sum game. The latest people to pay for this were the Germans.
    I think the Chinese understand it too.
    The world will be a happy place with the KIKES and the negro-sickxon kike slaves are completely exterminated. And it is already decided.
    Asia and Europe only need to survive. The negro-sickxon nations are already mutted beyond regconition. The kike scheme is an unsustainable one that requires the stupidest of all goyim, the island monkeys with their non existence morality, to exist.

    It will end badly for them, with their souls and prosterity already committed to eternal damnation.

  84. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    但是我认为随着亚洲人口的增长,断层线将变得更加明显,

    断层线正在增长,但这并不是因为有更多的亚洲人。 这是因为积极阻止即将到来的亚洲人融入美国社会。 作为第四代亚裔美国人,我已经注意到了这一点。 我不同意美国拥有欧洲为主的文化遗产,尤其是英国。 但是,如果您承认这一点,那么您还必须承认,允许亚洲人首先进入的决定以及他们进入社会的条件是由已经在这里的人决定的。当时的“白人”与白人现在的方式相同)。 不能责怪亚洲人。

    古巴裔美国人也发生了同样的事情,其中​​许多人以前被定为白人,因为他们基本上是居住在古巴的西班牙人,但由于身份政治,他们现在被定为西班牙裔。

    我不确定您是否是白人民族主义者,或者您是否读过杰里德·泰勒(Jared Taylor)的著作。 但是他在他的一本书中指出了亚洲人中“反向同化”的趋势。 因此,他承认亚洲人曾经一次DID同化,但后来因这样做而受到惩罚。

  85. @Tor597

    我住在美国,尽管我也住在整个东亚。 我同意种族关系看起来不太好。

    就是说,我的祖先来到这里的时候,目前属于白人类别的人们的祖先实际上生活在民族飞地中。 只需观看教父或《灭亡之路》即可。 地狱,比利小子之所以被杀是因为英国和爱尔兰牛仔之间存在紧张关系。 人们没有意识到这一点,因为好莱坞重新审视了美国的历史。 扮演美国历史人物的演员(通常是犹太人)不会被他们实际扮演的人视为美国人。

    尽管他们以前曾生活在少数民族聚居区,但爱尔兰人,犹太人和意大利人沦为“白人”,而日本人或中国人则沦为“亚洲人”。 不幸的是,我参与其中的1965年之前的日语/中文未能坚定地将自己归为白人类别。 但这并不意味着假设犹太人,爱尔兰人和意大利人的所作所为不可能。 这仅取决于属于白色类别的现有人员是否允许他们使用。 短期来看,这似乎并不符合他们的兴趣。 是长期的。

  86. MLK 说:
    @Tor597

    Trump who is a liberal who uses wedge issues like race and abortion to trick people into voting for him.

    Nonsense. Watch and learn. Trump will win the largest percentage of the black and Hispanic vote of any Republican in the modern era.

    Yeah, Trump is so liberal the liberals went to any means necessary to remove him from the Oval Office.

    Most libertarians are just gays that don’t like paying taxes.

    In any event, you should follow the lead of Rand Paul, a courageous supporter of the POTUS.

    • 回复: @MLK
  87. @Tor597

    美国是一个正在瓦解的国家,高处的白人害怕其他经过的种族被杀死。 他们想要的最后一件事是看到一张黄脸等于他们的脸。

    Must be why these Whites generously sent all their manufacturing and later even IT services to Asia, they totally wanted to keep the Asians down by…handing them over the industries they worked very hard to build up from nothing, with most of the cost being due to R&D. Yes those evil Whites are at it again…

    并非所有的白人都是这样。 俄罗斯更可能接受一个崛起的亚洲,因为他们自己的国家并未瓦解。

    Or more likely because Asia does not really threaten their country, a country whose main adversary is the West? Of course Russia did not “accept a rising Asia” back when Russia actually had something to lose.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict

  88. I’d wager most of these “Asians” commenting are in fact, Jews…lol

    If I’m not mistaken, Ron Unz already placed his bet on “Chinaman”.

    Tor597 sounds like some pissed off Flip gangsta.

    And then there’s “HeebHunter”.

    Can we get wagers on this creature?

    Israeli is a good guess.

  89. @Cho Seung-Hui

    您发布的#86非常有趣,值得深思,它确实使我重新考虑了一些事情。

    关于这个职位

    不幸的是,我参与其中的1965年之前的日语/中文未能坚定地将自己归为白人类别。 但这并不意味着假设犹太人,爱尔兰人和意大利人的所作所为不可能。 这仅取决于属于白色类别的现有人员是否允许他们使用。 短期来看,这似乎并不符合他们的兴趣。 是长期的。

    I don’t think this is possible simply due to physical differences, physical differences which cause a lot of interesting dynamics to arise during inter-group interactions. With the Irish and Jews you had racial Europeans, there is no way to really tell an Irishman or a Jew apart from an Anglo in most cases, if all other things are the same (accent and demeanour) but the same is not true for East Asians.

    我一直觉得,美国的东亚人从来没有被当作一个团体(如爱尔兰的bacame)或一个团体(如黑人),而是介于两者之间。 人们公认东亚人与白人明显不同,但与拉美裔或黑人不同,他们不被认为是坏少数,前者在种族上可能更类似于白人。

    这是一篇有趣的文章: 中国人是白人-直到白人称他们为黄色

    • 回复: @Cho Seung-hui
  90. Pruckus 说:
    @Steven80

    What Steven80 said, along with the shift leftward of the education system. Having lived in Socal, there are a lot of “jungle” Asian (Vietnamese, Filipino, Cambodian, Thai) etc, tend to harbor animosity towards whites.

  91. @GeneralRipper

    Anyone who talks of exterminating or killing off entire races is likely a Jew, we also have Adunai (Hebrew for “Lord”) who claims to be Russian but is a most definitely Jewish. 托597 is likely some disgruntled jungle Asian.

    • 同意: GeneralRipper
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  92. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    谢谢。

    我一直觉得,美国的东亚人从来没有被当作一个团体(如爱尔兰的bacame)或一个团体(如黑人),而是介于两者之间。 人们公认东亚人与白人明显不同,但与拉美裔或黑人不同,他们不被认为是坏少数,前者在种族上可能更类似于白人。

    我的猜测是您正在想象第一代或第二代亚洲人吗? 如果您遇到了第三,第四或第五名(稀有,但在西海岸存在;您的对话者就是其中之一),那么您正在与祖先是1965年之前的人们交谈。 您对亚洲人的看法可能会改变。

    我并不是否认东亚人和盎格鲁人之间的外表差异要比犹太人和盎格鲁人大。 我只是认为约会结束后人们并没有那么在乎。 在亚洲身分政治出现之前,约会没有太多分歧。 黑人可能是无法同化的,但这不是因为他们的外表,而是他们的行为方式。 你认为不是吗?

    毕竟,海外还有一个不同的世界,美国人的组成种族可以与之抗衡。 这就是为什么我赞成征求意见稿,暂缓移民并结束多元文化主义的原因。

  93. HeebHunter 说:
    @GeneralRipper

    t.subhuman mulatto amerimutt whose entire bloodline has served the kikes for not even scrap.

    Try to type Kikes, Heebs, and Yids without begging for permission first.

    Maybe then they will throw you a bone before kicking you in the face again, stupid mutt.

    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
  94. HeebHunter 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Lol, this is the kind of mentality the brave “huwhite” warriors (proud North African and Arab compositions included) of muttmerica have when faced with the truth regarding the race that has controlled them for centuries and is now chambering that last round so they deal the final blow.

    Ok, you know what, I really do hope you don’t talk about “exterminating” the kikes. So they can in turn do it to you and the rest of the world to them.
    And we will be rid of you for good. Like those pesky unnatural insects that keep bothering an otherwise normal world.

    But you know what, you can still chant world war champ back to back and afterward talk about how good it is to blast those gooks and sandniggers, especially right after killing the last uncooperative Krauts who were killing those damn commies we also hated.

    You lots are really subhumans. No wonder why your elites have such insane contempt for you. Nowhere else in the non-anglo monkey world do we observe this.

  95. @Chinaman

    Here’s an idea – instead of sending the Chinese to the US, send them to Africa. Lord knows they could use the IQ boost more than anybody.

    • 哈哈: GeneralRipper
    • 回复: @Rdm
  96. Chinaman 说:
    @Tor597

    I don’t see the ending as a final battle to see which race survives till the end. That is how Anglos and Jews think. Not Asians.

    We both know at least 50% of the “ White nationalists” here will not bat an eye to do to Asians what they did to the Native Indians. Genocide is in their DNA. The rest of them who professes to have a conscience just want to fuck our women and assimilate us.

    This is how they think.

    It doesn’t matter what I think or whether I want it or not. I can fantasize about finding common ground or living in harmony with them but inevitably, there will be conflicts and wars as have been the norm in human history. The “final battle” is one scenario in which natural resources on earth dwindles and nuclear war ensues. The world seems to be heading in this direction. Another scenario is that the world becomes Brazilian and our descendants becomes a brown “blob”. The most likely outcome is between these 2 extremes.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @Black Picard
    , @Ron Unz
  97. Ron Unz 说:

    看了这个评论线程,我认为在这里写的一些亚洲人(或亚洲美籍美国人)似乎对某些事情过于激动。

    向WN开放网络杂志的一个问题是,他们的一些热心的民族主义情绪自然倾向于在其他各个群体中产生平等而相反的反应。 但是,这种态度似乎与我在社会中实际看到的实际证据相去甚远。

    Take the Asian issue under discussion. Except for tiny Hawaii, California is by far America’s most heavily Asian state, with 16% of the population being Asian compared with 30-35% being white European. Over one-third of America’s entire Asian population lives in CA.

    As far as I can tell, CA Asians get along perfectly well with CA whites, and probably don’t differ all that much politically. My strong suspicion is that college-educated CA Asians vote pretty much like their white counter-parts when adjusted for age. So in CA, I think all this talk of a brewing Asian/white racial conflict seems extremely implausible to me.

    I think the next most heavily Asian state is probably NY, which contains almost 10% of our national Asian population. Once again, I’m not aware of any signs of white/Asian conflict in that state either, and I suspect that the voting patterns also track pretty well.

    There are 21M Asians among America’s total 330M population, and I’m sure it’s possible to find a few cases here and there in which Asians have been racially attacked by whites, but I suspect that the numbers are extremely small, even in the wake of all of Trump’s crude and ignorant “China Virus” propaganda.

    Whites make up over 60% of the American population, and if I had to guess, I’d say they probably account for less than 10% of the violent attacks on Asians, the overwhelming majority of which are due to simple criminality. If any of the individuals on this thread have better information, I would be glad to stand corrected.

    The main problem for Asians, whether American or otherwise, is that America currently has a crazy government. But that’s also a problem for everyone else in this country, whether white, Hispanic, or black, not to mention the rest of the world.

    During some periods of the twentieth century, Russia had a crazy government and during other periods, China had a crazy government. Unfortunately, it’s now America’s turn to have a crazy government, but I’m not sure what that really has to do with Asians…

  98. Goddard 说:
    @Tor597

    Go home. Go live in a country where more people look like you.

    As for America, it’s a white country. Whites conceived it; whites built it. Take away any other group besides whites, and one still recognizes America. Take away my people, and America is unrecognizable.

    When Trump says “China virus,” the burden is on 美味 to understand that he means a foreign nation and more specifically a foreign government. The burden is not on Trump to avoid using a powerful descriptor so as not to offend your sensibilities, informed by your divided loyalties.

    Go home, I say.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  99. Rdm 说:
    @Anon

    If you’d see Jews as White, we should be seeing Bin Laden as a White guy with beard. Jews are Middle Eastern at best. If your grandparents and you’re here in the States for 125 years, you should be able to easily identify if a person is European White or Jews. The same goes for Italian. Most Italians are 5’6” at best, mixed with Africans over time, Black hair, beard.

    See if Italians stick with Irish in a group. See if Jews stick with Italian in a group. They’d only stick together when they are mixed with other distinct group.

    There are intra-White infighting going. I’ll give you an example.

    If you’d come across a British white guy and a blonde girl with an accent on the street, there’s a possibility that a blonde girl is overselling her mixed heritage, i.e., even if she’s mixed with Romanian, Ukranian, British guy will rarely go for Eastern European girl. For Asian eyes, they’re all white. For White people, Eastern Europeans are as good as cheap prostitutes.

    That’s why you’d see more White guys and Asian women pairing lately because White guys are going for more educated women. If White people are more obsessed with maintaining their racial purity, white features, Caucasoid features, they should be relentlessly courting for White women. If British women are difficult, they could still go for Eastern European women. They don’t and they won’t.

    That’s why you’d see Derbyshire married a HK woman. If he’s so worried about immigration and purity of White race, why didn’t he marry a European woman? That’s the guy many White guys here intently listened to whatever shit he pulled out of his ass.

    All Whites here whining and saying Asians are invading their country, have Asian wife. That’d make you scratch your head and ask “Are those redneck as retarded as they can get?”

    You bet they are. Marry Asian women, complain about Asian invasion. That’s how they’re pulling out their high IQs out of their ass.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
  100. Rdm 说:
    @Ron Unz

    The other part of the equation in this discussion is anyone can come here and express their opinion freely. The anonymity gives the freedom that I could not express well in public.

    I’d also say that most of the authors with balanced view on Asians are usually the ones who have been to Asia or spent their time on Asia or interacted with Asians significantly.

    But most of the commenters here with strong anti-Asians could be some blokes from fly-over zone with no exposure outside of America.

    Take Jared Taylor, significant time on Japan and appreciate the culture, but also maintain the White purity agenda.
    Also Derbyshire, married a HK woman, regaled his anti-black mantra every now and then.

    Look at our godfather anti-immigration EA Ross who also said Chinese are a strong formidable force to be reckoned with. He predicted that once China becomes an industrialized nation, that’s when we should be heedful of such civilization. That was back in 1915. 100 years ago he went to China.

    But here, all those armchair experts wearing Made In China red cap and typing “White built this. White made this” ad infinitum after finished the dinner prepared by their Asian wives.

    You wonder if White race becoming the butt of the joke.

  101. Rdm 说:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    只有中国人会这样讲。

    想听到更多吗?

    • 回复: @Black Picard
  102. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, how are you confirming real life evidence? By watching CNN and reading the NYTimes? These mainstream platforms aren’t going to cover discrimination against Asians.

    您认为亚洲人对歧视的反应与黑人或犹太人相同吗? 当然不是。 如果犹太人被犹太人涂鸦,黑人愿意将城市烧毁,犹太人将使全世界震惊。

    For better and worse, Asians don’t react the same way. So how are you so sure there is no discrimination just by reading your newspapers?

    例如,这是一个来自得克萨斯州的5岁亚洲孩子,他只是为了成为亚洲人而张开了脸。 然而,有多少新闻来源报道了这个故事? 想象一下受害者是黑人还是犹太人。

    这是关于亚裔美国人如何受到袭击的另一个故事。

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/490373-attacks-on-asian-americans-at-about-100-per-day-due-to

    这是一个关于一个因亚洲人而被酸泼倒在头上的女人的故事。

    如果您愿意,我可以为您拉动一百万个链接。 但是,除非您寻找这些东西,否则您将如何知道这些东西?

    您可能没有意识到的一件事是,这不仅限于美国。 亚洲人看到白人袭击澳大利亚,加拿大和西欧的亚洲人,以至于我们就现在前往其中一个国家相互警告。

  103. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    Ron, how are you confirming real life evidence? By watching CNN and reading the NYTimes? These mainstream platforms aren’t going to cover discrimination against Asians.

    Well, I don’t watch TV because it’s too stupid. But I do read the NYT and WSJ every morning, along with two major CA newspapers, the SF Chronicle and SJ Mercury News. If there were any significant number of white racial attacks against Asians, I find it *极其* difficult to believe that the PC media would be hiding it.

    Let’s take the story in The Hill that you linked:

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/490373-attacks-on-asian-americans-at-about-100-per-day-due-to

    Obviously, Rep. Judy Chu and her staff have been diligently gathering incidents, and she claims that reports of alleged anti-Asian “hate crimes” have been running up to 100/day, totaling over 1,000 incidents. I find those numbers quite plausible.

    But what exactly is a “hate crime”? I think that includes yelling an insult or maybe writing a nasty note to someone. Perhaps even giving someone a dirty look. The absolutely worst incidents she describes are three physical assaults or stabbings, with a total of five victims. There’s absolutely no indication that whites were the attackers in any of these cases, and it seems quite possible to me that most or even all of them involved blacks or perhaps Hispanics.

    There are 21M Asian-Ams, and let’s suppose that two or three of them have suffered serious violent racial attacks at the hands of whites over the last six months. How significant does this seem?

    Well, during that same period, America has had about 8,000 murders and maybe 300,000 “excess deaths” from the Covid-19 disaster. I’d also guess that many, many thousands of Asian-Ams have been mugged, robbed, or raped for entirely non-racial reasons.

    Getting back to my original point, 6 million Asians live in CA, and if there were any significant number of white racial attacks against them, I find it *极其* difficult to believe it wouldn’t have been covered in my local newspapers.

    The whole situation is like when the silly WNs talk about the all the whites murdered by illegal immigrants, which is just a total hoax. There are at least 11M illegals in America, and most years it’s very difficult for WNs to find even 10 cases of ordinary middle-class whites murdered by illegals (this excludes wives killing husbands and vice-versa, or rival drug-dealers shooting each other).

    Basically, the average white is probably more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by an illegal, and my guess is that Asians being violently attacked by whites for racial reasons pretty much falls into the same category.

    Don’t get me wrong. All Americans should all be very careful to avoid getting hit by lightning, and I’m sure you could find some horrifying Tweets showing pictures of the poor lightning victims. But with maybe 300,000 deaths from Covid-19 so far this year, I’m just not sure lightning is our greatest national concern.

    • 回复: @Tor597
  104. HeebHunter 说:
    @Goddard

    Lol, “we conceived it”. Almost like some huwhite mulatto rejects of Europe threw a stick of Kryptonite into the Ocean and the New World just poppep out.

    “We built it”. Should have thought twice before importing Africans and literal boatloads of Chinese to do labor for you.

    “When Trumpenyid said Fuck the Chinks, it is on you chinks to understand your places as OUR slaves and not the enemies, mmmkay”

    From an Euro perspective, only the kikes and their anglo pet monkeys can be this mentally unstable.

    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
  105. Chinaman 说:
    @Tor597

    These hate crimes like this that makes my blood boil. These kids doesn’t even look Chinese!

    I feel sorry because this is between China and America and it shouldn’t affect other Asians.

    These are cowards who only attack innocents and defenseless. I dare them to take the fight to China.

    All Asians need to unite against this existential threat.

    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
    • 回复: @anonymous
  106. @Tulip

    无论是好是坏,共和党都受到福音派基督徒的高度认同,而福音派基督徒可能会反感其他宗教传统的人。 世俗化的共和党可能更有可能吸引亚洲选民。

    -

    Aaah,也许是指像自由主义者或绿党这样的政党? 这两个政党提供给亚洲人的东西远比叛逆的由盎格鲁一党控制的共和党-民主的政治迷彩游戏来诠释GoT。

  107. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    温兹先生

    Your site is a rare gem because the articles you publish touch on the most controversial subjects and they elicit a diverse range of views and emotions from commenters that they wouldn’t dare to express in real life. You get a rare glimpse into the psyche of what people really think. It is this unfiltered truth that really makes your site a treasure trove for any student of human nature.

    I fancy myself as a rational person in real life but it is hard to remain dispassionate in the face of the raw racism and psychopathic views expressed here in some cases. Even though my personal experience in New York and Australia for a few years has largely desensitized me to most of these sentiments but I have definitely been”radicalized” by the constant barrage of attacks and hostility I see here. (or for that matter, anything non-white). No self-respecting Chinaman or Asian will let these WN racists “whitewash” history and desecrate the memories and suffering of our forefathers.

    I will just say it is hard to appreciate what Asians (whether American or well-traveled ones) have to go through in Western “democracies” unless you have walked in their shoes. We agreed on the historical parallels between now and 1937-39 and I honestly feel there is a looming existential threat for the Chinese if we are not vigilant.

    On a separate note, I have been bogged down by work and have yet to look at different options to translate your articles into Chinese and to get it published in Chinese channels. This is obviously not my forte but I will try my best. Your perspective deserves to be told.

    However, I did do a deep dive into the COVID wastewater studies (which only required some basic googling skills) and did find studies from the US.

    One was actually done by the CDC. They tested archived samples in Louisiana and Massachusetts from Jan 2020 and found nothing confirming your thesis that there was no widespread outbreak before March. We can reject the A\B hypothesis for now until further evidence emerged. I think we both agreed it is hard to put full faith into any “science” done by the CDC.

    https://msystems.asm.org/content/msys/5/4/e00614-20.full.pdf

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969720341437?via%3Dihub

    https://cste.sharefile.com/share/view/s552abc13bbc436d8?skipNativeCheck=true

    None of the studies done in the US look at archival samples older than Jan 2020 whereas the Brazil, Milan, Spain was curious enough to go much further.

    Here’s the Barcelona March 19 study that I kept citing.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full.pdf

    So besides the anomalous March 19 results, the earliest sample was found *一致*
    一月

    This is the Brazilian study which shows consistent positive results after 27th Nov 2019 ( also on 11th Dec and ) so we can confidently say it was in the Americas *since at least Dec last year*.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140731v1.full.pdf

    At a minimum, we can establish that the virus spreading around the world sometime in Nov-Dec 2019. It could have started anywhere (my bet is still Bacelona because the strain there is the oldest and closest to the bat virus). In any case, what really impressed me during this googling exercise was the amount of MSN coverage that was given to these wastewater studies all around the world. It definitely garnered a lot more attention than the Fort Detrick story or your article. Perhaps there is an angle to incorporate some of this research and timeline in your narrative so to strengthen your case.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  108. anonymous[795]• 免责声明 说:
    @Chinaman

    Right on, Chinaman! You are the man.

    It’s time for someone to stand up to America and give the Americans a taste of their own medicine. I just hope China has the balls to push the button and launch the nukes on America. Everyone is looking to China for salvation. China is our only hope. Put this mad dog America out of its misery.

    It’s now or never, and even China is losing time. Taiwan is becoming more and more gay, more progressive and brainwashed with Western ideas. You see how the Americans are messing with HK, doing their usual mischief. Even Chinese women are getting entitled with feminist bs and not f*** enough, and the birth rates are dropping all over Asia. and When are the Chinese going to stand up and say enough is enough and fight already? I mean really fight, no more pussy economic warfare bullshit. At least make the North Koreans launch a nuke as a proxy or something.

    This is China’s moment!

    • 谢谢: Chinaman
    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  109. @Tor597

    You know where Asians could avoid such misfortunes? Here is a clue, the place both begins and ends with the letter “a”

    Also, those attacks against Asians are not being covered because the attackers are black, this is why they don’t cover anti-White racist attacks either.

    • 同意: GeneralRipper
  110. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    This is the Brazilian study which shows consistent positive results after 27th Nov 2019 ( also on 11th Dec and ) so we can confidently say it was in the Americas *since at least Dec last year*…At a minimum, we can establish that the virus spreading around the world sometime in Nov-Dec 2019. It could have started anywhere (my bet is still Bacelona because the strain there is the oldest and closest to the bat virus).

    It seems to me those results tend to strongly support my belief in the “orthodox” theory that the global outbreak began in Wuhan, China during late Oct/early Nov.

    Wuhan is a huge city, and it seems easy to imagine that international travel had begun spreading the virus to Brazil and other locations within a month or two after it started in Wuhan.

    On the other hand, if the single Barcelona datapoint in March were real rather than mere lab-error, it seems very strange that there would be absolutely zero evidence for the virus either in that city or anywhere else in the world for the next seven or eight months. Obviously, claiming “lab-error” seems like the easy way out, but in this particular case the circumstantial evidence really seems pretty overwhelming.

    From what I’ve read here and there, the various viral testing-methods do have a significant rate of false-positives, and I suspect that’s what’s behind the totally anomalous Barcelona result.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  111. @Tor597

    在德克萨斯州的案件中,肇事者被称为“ Jose L. Gomez”。 这是白人对亚洲暴力的榜样吗?

    https://www.q13fox.com/news/man-accused-of-stabbing-asian-family-over-coronavirus-could-face-fbi-hate-crime-charge

    更加努力。

    • 回复: @Tor597
  112. @Ron Unz

    Unz先生,这是一个不错的网站; 我非常感谢,谢谢你。

    看来其他亚洲评论员(或声称是亚洲评论员)似乎将反华情绪和一系列伴随事件解释为对亚洲人的自上而下的,全社会的迫害。 没有东西会离事实很远。

    如今,确实已经把矛头指向了中国,而且确实有一些事件使亚裔亚裔美国人与中国国民相混淆。 这导致无辜人民受到伤害的情况。 媒体完全忽略了所有这一切,这也是事实。 例如,大约两周前,一名日本钢琴演奏家在哈林区遭到青少年的殴打。 最初,只有《纽约邮报》(根据Wikipedia的小报)报道了它。 现在,这是《纽约时报》的故事。

    媒体对这些事件进行停电的原因是,肇事者是黑人或西班牙裔,而不是因为受害者是亚洲人。 这里的评论者似乎并未意识到媒体的工作方式:媒体根本不希望报道这些事件,但如果这样做,它将在最后一次尝试中使攻击者与“白人是唯一种族主义者的叙事,希望人们能推断出袭击者是外邦人。 具有讽刺意味的是,这种叙事的提供者本身就是精英白人,因此通过将这一事件解释为“白人民族主义”的指示,亚洲人仅被证明是控制着他们的“白人”的典当,也许他们也是害怕大声疾呼:犹太人。

  113. Chinaman 说:

    看来其他亚洲评论员(或声称是亚洲评论员)似乎将反华情绪和一系列伴随事件解释为对亚洲人的自上而下的,全社会的迫害。 没有东西会离事实很远。

    现在,确实有矛头指向中国,

    Asian to Asian…I seriously hope you are not suggesting that these hate crimes would be OK if the victim was indeed…Chinese? Let’s not shift the focus away from the nature of the crime here. I don’t think the poor Hmong\Thai kid cared about the racial profile of the perpetrator, what shade of brown he is, or how it was covered on TV.

    The real question that begs to be asked is whether these hate crimes would have still occurred if COVID was reported to have originated in Barcelona or Brazil? (which is quite plausible per the wastewater studies) Would Mr. Gomez still have decided to go kill the next random person who speaks Spanish or Portuguese? Would some crazy Chinese dude (or General Cho) just decide to go shoot the next brown dude he sees? If it originated in Russia, would he have dared to try this on someone who looks like Khabib Nurmagomedov? I doubt it. Did Asians”allow” this to happen to them? Should we blame the victim? I think all of us have some soul-searching to do on these questions.

    I don’t live in the US anymore so I don’t know how prevalent these anti- Chinese\Asians sentiments are now (I guess it depends on which state you live in) but to deny that COVID has brought latent hostilities and racism -even at a subconscious level- against Asians to the surface is to ignore the realities of race in America.

    • 回复: @Cho Seung-hui
  114. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Well…we already have ways to find out whether the virus that was spreading in a particular location came from Wuhan or some other country based on its strain and genetic profile. This is not a new technology, these are established epidemiological protocols to determine how contagious diseases such as the flu spreads.

    Per the commenter dux.ie on your site, only ONE case of COVID out of 85 in America came from Wuhan…the rest all came from Europe *specifically matching the strain in Barcelona *

    Per the Australian prime minister, 80% of the COVID cases in Australia came from America. I think there were 1 or 2 cases that came from Wuhan.

    These are the facts. I will not try to over-interpret or extrapolate them. I guess it is still plausible it originated in Wuhan after all but I will say that the epidemiological evidence we have would suggest that it could have originated anywhere.

    I am quite certain that the predominant strain that is ravaging Brazil and Europe now is not the strain found in Wuhan in Dec 2019. That would be like saying a case of smallbox in India came from malaria discovered in the jungles of Congo.

    What they haven’t done is to study the strain and genetic profile of the samples found in the wastewater. Does the Barcelona or Brazilian sample match the COVID strains that were found in Wuhan? That would clarify everything. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusion before we have further results.

  115. @Chinaman

    亚洲人到亚洲人……我严重希望您不要暗示,如果受害者确实是……中国人,那么这些仇恨犯罪就可以了。

    我已经说过无辜的人遭到袭击,所以,不,我从不认可袭击。

    我认为可怜的苗族/泰国孩子并不关心肇事者的种族特征,他是棕色的阴影还是在电视上被遮盖的样子。

    我也不认为这个苗族/泰国孩子视自己为中国人。 实际上,作为一个在这类人周围长大的人,我非常确定他们不会把自己视为中国人。

    真正要问的问题是,如果据报道COVID起源于巴塞罗那或巴西,这些仇恨犯罪是否还会发生?

    不,但是他们并没有发生,因为据报道这是在中国开始的。 之所以发生这种情况,是因为鼓励现有的身体上与中国人相似的人与该国其他人口保持文化上的距离,从而使他们与来自中国的实际外国人之间的区别变得更加困难。 疫情爆发后,日本也有反华偏见,但它从未针对在日本长大的,与当地日本人没有区别的华人。

    现在,的确是在BLM抗议之后,政策中的宽松性增加了,这表现为不起诉针对亚洲人的合法仇恨犯罪。 但这不是由于白人民族主义最近的兴起,而是黑人和西班牙裔人选择了亚裔,并由于政治上的正确性而逃脱它。

    我现在不再居住在美国,所以我不知道这些反华\亚洲人的情绪现在有多普遍

    那么,为什么我们要在乎您要说些什么呢? 我是亚洲人,我住在美国,还不错。 我最近因种族而受到语言骚扰,但这是由于该人正在吸毒,同时也有许多人(每个种族,包括白人)都认为该人做错了事并同情根据我的情况。 为跳楼的日本钢琴家创立GoFundme的人也是白人。

    关于怀特有关亚洲暴力的报道的最后一位人士援引了一个案例,其中肇事者是西班牙裔。 整个事情都是骗局。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  116. Anonymous[942]• 免责声明 说:
    @anonymous

    LOL!

    This “anon” is none other than one of the Secret Masters of the Western World – “you know who”.

    As if Chinese can be played for fools by such transparent, simpleton tactics.

    “Let’s you and him fight”. Uh-huh, riiiight . . .

  117. 他们投票是因为身份。 这是反对白人的投票,至少是那些背脊的白人。

    Everything else matters less: social policy, loony evangelicals, political turns left & right. Again, this is Sobran writ large. Democratic whites are not perceived as being “proud whites”.

    • 回复: @Black Picard
  118. Chinaman 说:
    @Cho Seung-hui

    之所以发生这种情况,是因为鼓励现有的身体类似于中国人的人群与该国其他人口保持文化上的距离,

    该声明确实使我们更贴近问题的核心。 在美国出生的亚洲人会被视为美国人吗? 中国的排他行为是尽可能明确的,这将使他们对他们在该国的亚洲人的实际感受变得如此清晰。

    那么,为什么我们要在乎您要说些什么呢? 我是亚洲人,我住在美国,还不错。 我最近因比赛而被口头骚扰

    Perhaps you should spend some time in your ancestral homeland and feel what it is like to be accepted completely for once. You need some perspective in order to reflect on your current circumstances. May be you already did and didn’t feel that way in which case I feel sorry for you. Seems to be me you are totally desensitised on the subject of race and that’s probably a good thing. I don’t live in America but my daily life is affected by America’s global hegemony. I also have a lot of investments and companies in America so that makes me a stakeholder. I own a small piece of it. In a capitalistic plutocracy like America, that probably makes me as – or even more- American than you.

  119. East Asian diaspora groups (I am primarily referring to ethnic Chinese here, but similar observations could be extended to other East Asian groups), whether in the Philippines, Indonesia, or the US, have never been known for high levels of political participation and engagement. Even within their own countries, political apathy is the rule. There are all sorts of potential historical and cultural (and possibly even genetic) explanations for this, but regardless of the reason, it’s hard not to notice the stark differences in political culture between countries like Japan, the PRC, etc and the United States.

    It is correct to say that many older and (in some cases) first-generation East Asians hold views that would be considered conservative in the current US political paradigm. However, these sub-groups are also the least likely to vote. Younger and 2nd/3rd+ generation East Asians are over-represented at universities and within many professional or “elite” careers. I.e. environments where the left-wing political culture is becoming increasingly conformist and repressive. However, these younger and/or more “assimilated” Asians are also more likely to vote.
    I think this phenomenon is a major part of the leftward shift in the Asian vote over the past 20-30 years. It is also true that the Indian diaspora (a disproportionately well-educated group which is also over-represented in professional careers) leans strongly left and skews the average if you count them as part of the broader “Asian” umbrella category.

    Overall, I think low levels of engagement and voter turnout among many Asian ethnic groups means that there is room for a great deal of future political shift (either to the right or to the left) within this demographic. There are still a lot of Asian eligible voters with political worldviews that are not fully formed or actualized, and many more who may already essentially align with one political movement or another in terms of beliefs/ideology but have not yet been electorally mobilized.

  120. Anonymous[283]• 免责声明 说:

    Asians tend to be conformists, not independent thinkers

    Barf. These shallow stereotypes and cliches are tiresome.

    亚洲人会保持苏醒吗?

    I’m Asian American and I’ve never been woke. But while I started off identifying as Republican, I haven’t identified as Republican since 9/11 when America went collectively crazy.

    I’ve often been puzzled, too, why Asians lean predominately liberal. Giving it a few minutes of thought, it seems to me that there aren’t a lot of reasons for Asians to be attracted to the right circa now.

    The right is the demonstrative party of war and regime change. Why would I support that?
    The right is the party of Wall St., big money, socialism for the rich, bankers and robbers. Why should I approve of that?
    The right is the party of apathy and disinterest. Asians are systemically ignored. Where is the welcome in that?

    2008 voter stats are arguably not meaningful. Who could support McCain after 8 years of Bush disaster?

    On policy, the left is not better. They are also the party of war and identitarian nonsense. But they court women like the GOP never does. That’s 1/2 the Asian vote right there.

    It could also be that given the higher educational attainments of Asians in general, they’re byproducts of America’s left-leaning elite universities. They don’t lean left because they’re Asian, they lean left because that’s how they are being indoctrinated by white/Jewish/gay professors at Cal and Yale.

    Much of the GOP’s support also comes from the Midwest and flyover country. But Asians don’t live there.

    Maybe the GOP can try to make hay with anti-CCP propaganda and HK, but the Cold War is effectively over. Anti-communism is not a big political driver.

    But if the GOP wants Asian support, it’s probably not Asians that needs to become more middle class. It’s the GOP that should focus more on the middle class. Be normal. Stop bombing brown people on the other side of the hemisphere and half-way around the world.

  121. HeebHunter 说:
    @Chinaman

    Hes a cuck and at heart a multiculti whore in the truest sense. Why would the thousand of ethnicities in Asia reintegrate some self hating cuckolds who hate their own heritage?
    Traitorous expats shouldn’t be welcomed back.

  122. @Chinaman

    中国的排他行为是尽可能明确的,这将使他们对他们在该国的亚洲人的实际感受变得如此清晰。

    …但是后来又恢复了华人移民。 您选择的是历史的特定点,以指示一个国家在整个历史中如何看待种族。 这是一种伪劣的方法。

    也许您应该花一些时间在祖国,感受一下被彻底接受一次的感觉。 您需要一些观点才能反思您当前的情况。

    我是混血儿,但我住在两个祖传祖国。 尽管基于外观可以有一个基准的,内在的“接受度”,但实际上是一种非常空洞的感觉。 例如,我有时会以蒙古人身份通过,但事实却并非如此,最终我永远也不想在蒙古生活。 现在,我和祖先所在国家的“本地”居民之间可能会存在一种友爱的感觉,但这是因为我花时间学习语言并使自己沉浸在文化中。 这不仅是我们“看起来一样”的功能,而且我还发现它存在于美国的某些地区,至少在身份政治尚未抬起头的情况下。

    我不住在美国,但我的日常生活受到美国全球霸权的影响。 我在美国也有很多投资和公司,因此使我成为了利益相关者。 我拥有一小部分。 在像美国这样的资本主义富裕国家中,这可能使我比你甚至甚至更像美国人

    我想这就是我们的不同之处。 您混淆了叛国精英试图降低劳动力价格的“美国人”的淡化,在政治上正确的命题定义,而这在历史上一直被认为是公民。 您和美国人一样在非洲经营的一些英国跨国公司就是非洲人,也就是说,根本不是非洲人。 这样的人可能与美国经济有关,但与美国无关。 当然,现在鼓励这种寄生虫病是因为美国精英本身就是寄生虫,所以我将责任归咎于游戏而非玩家。 1965年后,许多亚洲人来美国时已为时已晚,当时它确实有一种文化。 地狱,出于自我保护,我过去不得不从事这种行为。 但是我知道这是没有荣誉的,人们最终会抓住它。 如果您实际上将这种行为视为正常现象,则会对那些在此有实际利益的人构成生存威胁,并且对他们构成反对是完全合法的。

    我一直都遇到来自亚洲的外国人。 他们声称自己是为自己的祖国,但实际上,他们在这里避免与自己的同胞竞争,并最终陷入了一种寄生存在,在这种生存中,他们对自己的祖国或祖国没有忠诚他们目的地的文化。 这是一个可怜的存在。

  123. @Tor597

    Asians see white people attacking Asians in Australia, Canada, and Western Europe to a point where we warn each other about traveling to one of those countries now.

    -

    Ah yes, so here we have one of the “model” Asian immigrant groups getting the turned up on them now that exceptional Uncle Sam feels 威胁 by China’s economic rise. Very disturbing indeed, but is anybody who knows America’s history surprised? Nope, considering the US gov’t is a dishonest 私立 entity owned & controlled by the City of London. A nation that can’t keep or abide by treaties (INF, JCPOA, numerous native Indian treaties ignored, etc,). Instead they “lie, cheat & steal” as pompous Secretary of the Deep State Mike Pompeo candidly stated on camera for all to see.

    But here’s my point…
    Law abiding blacks for decades have always been treated unfairly when they were just 试图 to develop their communities. And no, I’m NOT talking about black thugs or black gang-bangers or black criminals that “author” Paul Kersey (aka Michael J. Thompson) to shove down our throats so he can 母猪 division & hatred between blacks & whites.

    All one needs to do is revisit the despicable destruction of Black Wall Street (Tulsa, OK) to SEE that this is all about economics & control. Hey Paul (er Mike!), have you ever thought for a moment that IF institutional racism (redlining, gerrymandering, burning down black businesses, etc.) wasn’t such a BIG thing AFTER slavery was abolished that just MAYBE blacks would be much better off in terms of having a close knit productive community? So STOP being intellectually dishonest here.

    Where are your insights on the ramifications of actions like this by “Christian” whites back then?

    And let’s not forget about the Atlanta Massacre of 1906 where “Christian conservative” whites got jealous of successful black business enterprise:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Massacre_of_1906

    Sounds like what the Chinese are now experiencing today via sanctions that will eventually lead to war. Same bullshit the Iranians & Venezuelans are experiencing today when Uncle Sam isn’t able to their resources.

    Well, I’m waiting for a response, Mike (er Paul)! You can’t provide one, can you?

    And what on earth do you expect to transpire when the treasonous CIA funnels tons of crack cocaine into the inner cities primarily targeted at blacks? See the work of murdered journalist Gary Webb for more info:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

    Ok, did Chinese, Vietnamese, East Indian, or Korean immigrants go through shit like that back then? You truly are an intellectually dishonest opinionist — not a writer nor journalist. But intellectually dishonest.

    And since the Chinese are stepping on Captain Euro’s exceptional toes, now the white AngloSaxon Establishment is getting all bent out of shape.

    I’m getting my popcorn out. Ya wanna know why?
    Because China & the Chinese aren’t as easy to divide & conquer like America’s disorganized blacks.
    甩掉包袱!

    • 同意: Tor597
  124. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, if your point is that Whites and Asians don’t hate each other and they are not killing each other in the streets I agree with you there.

    Many whites have no problem with Asians so long as Asians “know their place” in America’s Caste System. But what happens when Asians become too rich, or they take too many spots in the good colleges, or Asia outcompetes America?

    那是当您看到白人向我们猛烈抨击时。 其中有些只是侮辱,有些是学校系统或工作中的歧视,有些是暴力。

    If you aren’t concerned by this, I am not surprised since this is typical of white people. But the point is what Asians feel and think.

    Here is a study that looked at Asian American sentiment: https://stopaapihate.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Stop-AAPI-Hate-Youth-Campaign-Report-9-17.pdf

    80%的人表示愤怒,可能是因为他们自己面临歧视。 我认为,如果有的话,亚洲人可能已经低估了仇恨犯罪或认为袭击是出于不同的原因。

    But as I said previously you can’t view racial issues of blacks and Asians in the same way. Blacks are much more likely to get killed due to racism than any other race because blacks are not going to stand down even when they should.

    Look at this article. It is no surprise that blacks have fairly consistent hate crimes reported and that Jews have by far the largest reported number of hate crimes. This is consistent with Jewish behavior I’ve seen where they will 100% report hate crimes. Asians are less likely to report but you can still see here that there was a spike this year which is consistent with Asian experience all over the country.

    https://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/anti-asian-hate-crime-jumps-1-900-percent/article_f007a05b-f43e-54ca-a3c6-1b5493333dea.html

    亚洲人更有可能通过搬到纽约和加利福尼亚这样受欢迎的更加多元化的社区来避免恶劣情况。 如果他们发现自己处于敌对状态,亚洲人更有可能避免被杀。 亚洲人也更有可能不举报犯罪。

    But that doesn’t mean there is not discrimination against Asians and that it did not explode due to Trump and the pandemic.

    您说如果对亚洲人的仇恨激增,它将出现在当地报纸上。 好吧,它出现在很多论文中,包括您的2篇本地论文。

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-Asian-Americans-across-Bay-Area-15235380.php

    https://www.mercurynews.com/hundreds-of-anti-asian-american-hate-incidents-reported-in-california-during-pandemic

    I don’t know why you think none of the people doing this are white people. I can certainly remember links to stories that included whites, and if you want I can get you more links this weekend. Or you can just look up stories from Australia or Europe where Asians are getting attacked.

    或者,如果您愿意,您可以继续使用该推特帐户,因为他涵盖了反亚洲犯罪。

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HopClear

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Chinaman
  125. Tor597 说:
    @Cho Seung-hui

    I’ll get you links this weekend. Apologies since I have a busy schedule this week. But you are crazy if you don’t think there are lots of white people doing this.

    您认为谁在袭击澳大利亚的亚洲人? 原住民?

    I didn’t link that case because it was a white guy. I linked to it because a 5 year old kid got his face cut open.

    但是我还是不会很认真的对待你。 您要么是亚洲人的哭泣之手,要么是您还很年轻,当您意识到白人永远不会接受您成为平等人时,您会感到失望。

  126. @Chinaman

    我们都知道,这里至少有50%的“白人民族主义者”对亚洲人不屑一顾。 种族灭绝存在于他们的DNA中。

    -

    Chinaman, you mean like this destruction of Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Oklahoma between May 31 and June 1, 1921? 🤔👀

    It has been called “the single worst incident of racial violence in American history.” The attack, carried out on the ground and from private aircraft, destroyed more than 35 square blocks of the district—at that time the wealthiest black community in the United States, known as “Black Wall Street”.

    来源: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre

    或这个?

    Freedmen and their descendants had gained the franchise during Reconstruction, and whites increasingly feared and resented their exercise of political power. African Americans had established prosperous businesses and developed an elite who distinguished themselves from working-class blacks. They were resented by some whites. Among the successful black businessmen was Alonzo Herndon, who owned and operated a large, refined barber shop that served prominent white men. This new status brought increased competition between blacks and whites for jobs and heightened class distinctions.

    来源: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Massacre_of_1906

    Honestly, I can’t ever recall hearing or reading about the Chinese doing jealous shit like the above.

    But according to Protestant Anglo Saxon folklore, “blacks can’t produce nothing; blacks are dumb; blacks can’t survive without whites; whites didn’t do nuffin to blacks, blah blah blah.” riiiight.
    In essence, it turns out that Anglo America can’t survive unless the US Dollar is the world’s reserve currency and/or they have vassals running other countries going against the wishes of their people.

    我们 America Has No Allies, Only Hostages by Caitlin Johnstone:

    The U.S.-centralized empire functions like a giant blob that slowly works to absorb nations which have not yet been converted into imperial client states. It is rare that a nation is able to escape from that blob and rejoin the unabsorbed nations like China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba in their fight for self-sovereignty, and it is encouraging that it was able to do so.

    来源: https://consortiumnews.com/2020/10/21/america-has-no-allies-only-hostages/

    At least the Chinese, by & large, are 美国 with a different mentality from the American Pirates. Blacks never had that luxury. Lord Anglo just couldn’t leave them alone to enjoy freedom, democracy & liberty AFTER slavery was done.

  127. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    That statement really gets us closer to the heart of the matter. Will Asians born in America ever be considered Americans ? The Chinese exclusion act was as explicit as it will ever get to how they actually feel about Asians in THEIR country…I don’t live in America but my daily life is affected by America’s global hegemony.

    I’d very strongly disagree with your analysis of current American society. I think you’d previously mentioned that in the past you’d lived and worked here for a few years, but I’m really not sure that gives you a deep understanding of the issues, and the (highly atypical) views of some of the writers or commenters on this website may be even more misleading.

    From the early 1990s onward, issues of race, ethnicity, and social policy had been my primary focus, and I’ve published several hundred thousands words in this subject-area, probably more than just about anyone else in America who comes to mind. And although many of my very controversial claims were heavily disputed at the time, I think nearly all of them have proven correct, giving me a great deal of confidence in my own analyses. Here’s a link to some of my more important articles:

    https://www.unz.com/page/race-ethnicity-articles/

    Let’s consider your analysis. If Asian-Ams today aren’t really considered “Americans” then surely the same must be true of Hispanics, given that the WN-ish attacks upon them have been far more frequent and harsher over the last couple of decades, certainly including the harder-core Trumpists who generally ignored Asians until the beginning of this year.

    Now let’s focus upon California, whose society I know best. Hispanics and Asians together are almost 60% of the population, outnumbering white Europeans nearly two-to-one. So under your framework, most Californians aren’t really considered “Americans.” Obvious jokes aside, does this really make any logical sense? Similarly, nearly half of all Texans aren’t really “Americans.”

    Here’s another interesting datapoint. Of the various candidates running for president, Andrew Yang was Chinese and Tulsi Gabbard part Asian. Yet although both were very minor candidates mostly ignored by the MSM and given almost no chance of willing, at times they both drew a great deal of support from prominent Alt-Right/WN figures and their activist followers, certainly attracting far more enthusiasm than Trump himself, who was widely despised for having betrayed his 2016 supporters. Does this make any sense in your racial framework?

    I think your analysis of the racial aspects of American society is probably 50-60 years out of date. Don’t forget that the Chinese Exclusion Act to which you refer was enacted almost 140 years ago, when Chinese still lived under the Imperial rule of the Manchu dynasty. Suppose I were to argue that Chinese are innately drawn to living under the rule of an absolute divine monarchy, and pointed to the Manchu and many earlier dynasties as strong evidence. Would that be a valid argument in 2020?

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should consider reading my (admittedly extremely long) recent article on white racialism in America, or at least the section in which I discuss Wilmot Robertson’s book, the ur-text of modern White Nationalism:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/#wilmot-robertson-the-dispossessed-majority-and-instauration

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Tor597
  128. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    您说如果对亚洲人的仇恨激增,它将出现在当地报纸上。 好吧,它出现在很多论文中,包括您的2篇本地论文。

    Sure, I had certainly read both those articles when they originally ran. But if you’ll notice, even the most extreme and egregious incidents described basically involve someone shouting a racial insult at an Asian person. That’s exactly what I had been claiming upthread. Classifying them as “hate crimes” severely distorts the impression they invoke. It’s like the term “sexual assault” which can often encompass everything from outright violent rape to merely crude verbal remarks.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that many cities, especially SF, are filled with large numbers of somewhat deranged “street people” who often verbally assault normal people in their vicinity. Once Trump and FoxNews made “China virus” talk widespread, these people probably began to target Asians on such grounds, which the MSM classifies as “hate crime” incidents. But when they normally target other people for totally random or irrational reasons, the MSM ignores it. However, the verbal harassment involved isn’t any different.

    I think your analysis of the situation and the sources you cite are wildly unrealistic. Let’s take violent attacks upon Asians or even just verbal harassment/racial insults. Based upon decades of very closely following racial/ethnic issues, my strong impression is that on a per capita basis, blacks are 40x, 50x, perhaps even 100x more likely than whites to target Asians in that way.

    But since criticizing black misbehavior is considered such a severe violation of “political correctness,” Asian activists almost totally ignore it and instead focus almost entirely upon the tiny sliver of whites who engage in similar activities.

    I think the whole thing is almost as ridiculous as the huge MSM/Black Lives Matter movement’s focus upon the alleged “epidemic” of police killings of young blacks, which is just utter and total nonsense and a complex hoax.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Tor597
  129. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    我们都知道,这里至少有50%的“白人民族主义者”对亚洲人不屑一顾。 种族灭绝存在于他们的DNA中。

    I almost missed this. I realize that you’re not an American and obviously get most of your knowledge of our country from our (very “politically correct”) MSM, but the notion of a “genocide” of the Native Americans is utterly ridiculous. I think a good analogy is the current PRC “genocide” of the Uyghurs, and that story is being promoted by much the same sort of people.

    Most good estimates are that the entire Amerind population of North America was probably only about 1 million or at most 2 million at the time white settlement began, and I think there are probably far more Amerinds around today than that if you count fractional ancestry. When numbers go up, you generally aren’t talking “genocide.”

    Start to finish, all the white/Indian wars only lasted about two centuries, and if you look up the most horrific white massacres/slaughters/battles against Indians during that entire period, I think the absolute largest involved just a few hundred deaths. I’ve never really looked into it, but my guess would be that the total number of Amerinds killed by whites in battles or massacres across those two centuries would be somewhere in the tens of thousands during 200+ years, or perhaps a few hundred per year.

    Meanwhile, there have already been nearly 650 homicides so far this year in just the city of Chicago. So I guess Chicago must be experiencing a “super-genocide.”

    Basically, most of the Amerinds were thinly populated and fairly primitive tribes who ended up getting pushed aside, swamped, or absorbed by the vastly more numerous white settlers. From what I’ve sometimes read, the past expansion of the Han Chinese into large portions of what is now China followed a not-dissimilar pattern.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Antiwar7
  130. throtler 说:
    @Tor597

    What the news doesn’t tell you is that black people are attacking asians because of the virus, not white people.

  131. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    美国政府授权对印第安人进行1,500多次战争,袭击和袭击,印第安人是世界上反对土著人民最多的国家。 到19世纪末印度战争结束时,剩下的土著人民还不到238,000,从哥伦布5年到达北美时估计的15万人急剧下降到1492万人。

    这就是我对那段美国历史的理解。 可以肯定的是,您是在争辩那段时期印第安人减少96-99%的人口,还是在争辩殖民者在人口减少中所起的罪魁祸首或作用? 还是我们只是在这里争论语义? 我对您将挑战印第安土著人的“种族灭绝”的概念感到有些震惊,因为我认为这将被视为当今世界上种族灭绝的教科书定义。 话虽如此,既然我已经习惯于挑战我在各种问题上的信念,并且不得不承认我自己的理解不足,那么我将在将来等待您对这个问题进行详细的分析。

    • 同意: Tor597
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  132. Anonymous[942]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    This exchange between @Tor597 and Ron Unz himself is interesting in itself, but can only be inconclusive in the end. Both commentators see what they want to see, even if looking at the same reports, news items and indeed, data.

    我们可以接近解决美国或欧洲任何反亚洲种族主义的唯一方法是,如果提出带有详细,中性(非领先)问题的专业调查,那么结果将按收入细分,年龄段,职业和国籍。 然后,如果有的话,我们也许可以更好地了解问题所在。

    否则,任何有关此问题的张贴者都只是在谈论他们自己的轶事和/或个人经历,尽管这些经历在他们的环境中完全有效,但可能并不能反映事物的真实状态。

    我要指出一件事,这很重要。

    在西方国家的亚洲人社区中,以及在亚洲人来自的各个国家中,都有一个 对歧视的快速增长的认识 反对他们在北美和欧洲的种族。 这个,在 少数族裔社区不容易受到受害者的影响,很能说明问题。

    亚洲人可能不是大声抱怨的人,也不会为媒体或政治提供武器。 但是他们确实有社交网络,并且彼此交谈和比较笔记。 这是预料之中的。 他们讲述自己的经历,他们的孩子以及他们的朋友的经历,而新出现的景象深深地困扰着他们。

    所有这些已经开始回溯到他们的起源社会,以至于那些国家的精英和普通民众开始说出这样的话:“我们在西方不再受欢迎了,现在是时候穿越那些地方了不在我们学习,工作或经商的地方”。 他们正是这样做的。

    具有讽刺意味的是,这正是这种种族主义旨在达到的效果。 让亚洲人感到不受欢迎,所以他们离开,再也不会回来。 它工作得很好。

    具有讽刺意味的是,由于这一切简单地摆脱了西方最小的“问题”,因此少数安静的亚洲人。

    • 同意: d dan, HeebHunter, Tor597
  133. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    诚然,我对这些问题有一个肤浅的理解,而种族在美国是一个极其复杂和主观的话题。 老实说,我不太关心美国的种族关系,其他评论者说的对,我不应该对此发表意见。 就是说,我理解种族关系(世界上任何地方)的框架确实对历史事件具有很多解释力,并且可以拟合经验数据。 在比较细微差别的分析时,粗略和内在的看法是科学的世界观,这是我们所了解的种族,群体内/群体外心理以及各种古老人类物种灭绝事件之间的生物学差异所为。 可能超出我们讨论的范围,但我只想说,我们的杏仁核和爬虫类动物的大脑大部分都没有在猎人采集日之后进化出来,并且常常使我们的额叶前皮层不堪重负(特别是对于2位数智商个体)关于种族关系。 您引用的各种轶事是我们的基本本能与更高的心理功能之间的斗争的体现。 在当今时代,我们有足够的头脑去思考和分析问题,因为大多数人类的饮食都相对充裕……当每个人都在反对马尔萨斯边界时,人类历史的99%并非如此。 当社会处于崩溃的边缘时,文明\色盲的立面很快就会消失。

  134. Chinaman 说:
    @Tor597

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HopClear

    谢谢。 这是一个很棒的汇编。 我看到很多白人犯罪者。

    对于亚裔美国人每天都要经历的事情,我真的感到遗憾,该国选择无视和宽恕这些卑鄙的罪行,这实在令人遗憾。 如果警察对此无能为力,那就该把事情交给我们自己掌握了。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  135. @Bardon Kaldian

    约瑟夫·索伯兰(Joseph Sobran)说“优势使人羡慕”。 我完全同意。

    [更多]

    当他独自一人追求其“激发嫉妒”的才能时,他是否在谈论黑人男性的优越性? 或者,他是在指别的东西吗?

  136. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我认为您对证据的解读太过分了。 如果有的话,有人试图进行种族灭绝。 如果像塔斯马尼亚州那样无处可寻的土著人,那么他们将被灭绝。

    本地农业在密西西比州以东广泛存在。 有很多种接触前人口指标: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

    美国内战结束并释放了美军之后,他们平息印第安人的标准策略是在冬天袭击一个村庄,杀死无法逃脱的老人和病人,以及他们的所有动物,以及大多数重要的是,他们储存了冬季食物。 结果,幸存者不得不乞求保留,腐败的印度特工饿死了他们。 没错:印度特工没有将他们消灭到最后一个人,但是这种待遇是极端的。 另外,我怀疑这比中国发生的事情要晚得多。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  137. @Rdm

    @Rdm
    再一次,我们在这里有知识上的不诚实。 我之所以这样说,是因为如果CIA /深州没有杀死或协助杀害或推翻最好的人, 泛非民族主义者 那些会对发展产生巨大影响的领导人,我敢肯定,非洲将与亚洲最好的猛虎组织处于同一水平。

    让这些名字暂时沉入您的意识中:
    Patrice Lumumba(刚果),Thomas Sankara(布基纳法索),Amilcar Cabral(几内亚/佛得角),Tom Mboya(肯尼亚),Robert Ouko(肯尼亚),Agathe Uwilingiyimana(卢旺达,温和的胡图族)。 而且,不要忘了非洲最伟大的远见者,加纳的夸梅·恩克鲁玛(Kwame Nkrumah),他被非法 推翻 由中央情报局。 事实!

    我敢肯定,Malcom X和Martin Luther King Jr.避免暗杀州将更好地将美国黑人与非洲黑人联系起来。

    这里有一些值得深思的地方:

    [更多]

    1978年,美国中央情报局(CIA)安哥拉工作队前负责人约翰·斯托克威尔(John Stockwell)写道,中央情报局阿克拉站的特工“策划了政变,与密谋者保持了亲密接触”。 之后,“如果最终政变是非正式的话,“在中央情报局总部内部的阿克拉站得到了充分的利用。 ……这些都没有充分反映在该机构的书面记录中。” 同年晚些时候,《纽约时报》的西摩·赫什(Seymour Hersh)引用了“第一手情报来源”,为斯托克韦尔的帐户辩护,声称“非洲的许多CIA特工都认为该机构在推翻Nkrumah先生方面起着关键作用设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“
    ....

    在2000年,他被英国广播公司世界广播的听众选为“非洲千年之民”,被英国广播公司描述为“独立英雄”,并作为第一个动摇的黑人非洲国家的领导人的“国际自由象征”摆脱殖民统治的束缚。”
    ...
    恩克鲁玛(Nkrumah)因其对泛非主义的坚定承诺和促进而在政治上也广为人知。 他的灵感来自黑人知识分子的著作,例如马库斯·加维(Marcus Garvey),韦伯·杜波依斯(WEB Du Bois)和乔治·帕德莫(George Padmore),以及他与他们的关系。 他与这些人的大部分理解和关系是在他作为学生的美国期间创建的。 有人会说他最大的灵感是马库斯·加维(Marcus Garvey),尽管他也与CLR詹姆斯有着有意义的关系。 恩克鲁玛(Nkrumah)期待这些人为非洲的疾病制定一个总体解决方案。
    ...
    1961年,恩克鲁玛(Nkrumah)发表了题为“我谈到自由”的演讲。 在讲话中,他谈到了“非洲如何成为世界上造福人类的最大力量之一”。 他提到非洲如何拥有丰富的矿产资源,从“黄金,钻石到铀和石油”。 恩克鲁玛说,非洲现在不繁荣的原因是欧洲大国一直在为自己夺走全部财富。 如果非洲可以独立于欧洲的统治,那么它就能真正蓬勃发展并为世界做出积极贡献.

    来源: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Nkrumah

    正如您从上述外国干预中可以清楚地看到的那样,如果非凡的自由-卢文·韦斯特(Lovin West)独自离开她,并提供真正,务实的互利友谊,非洲将会更加遥远。 但这不是事实,因为目标始终是窃取资源并故意保留非洲大陆 发育不全的 通过播种 混沌,破坏其领导人或其他联合国/非政府组织的废话。 就像对伊朗,俄罗斯,委内瑞拉,叙利亚等采取制裁措施一样。

    我敢肯定,如果非洲实施了中国的技术官僚/共产主义/资本主义模式,她将能够避免腐败的西方民主/干预的所有危险并以积极的方式发展。 大错误!

  138. @Craig Nelsen

    布尔什维克依靠中国和拉脱维亚的犹太人为最高层的布尔什维克提供人身安全,为切卡的酷刑和处决室的中高层服务。

    -

    您是否获得了有关中国与布尔什维克合作的大胆历史主张的链接? 我从没看过有关《俄罗斯内幕》的此类文章,它们涵盖了很多角度。

  139. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    到19世纪末印度战争结束时,剩下的土著人民还不到238,000,从哥伦布5年到达北美时估计的15万人急剧下降到1492万人。

    这就是我对那段美国历史的理解。 可以肯定的是,您是在争辩那段时期印第安人减少96-99%的人口,还是在争辩殖民者在人口减少中所起的罪魁祸首或作用?

    我认为那些阿美琳德人口数字完全荒谬,这是1960年代后期左翼反美精神错乱的遗产。

    几个世纪以来,每个人都一直承认,拉丁美洲的阿美林德人,阿兹台克人和印加帝国人口众多,大概有15-30百万甚至更多,拥有巨大的城市和高度发达的文明,在大约95%的人死于天花之前和其他欧洲疾病。

    但是,北美是一个完全不同的故事,许多众多的小部落中的大多数都是相当原始的。 没有任何种类的城市,尽管有些部落种了庄稼,但许多其他部落仍处于狩猎者-采集者的生存阶段。

    鉴于完全没有任何城市或重要的文明,而且许多人口都通过狩猎和集会生存,因此,您引用的庞大人口数字似乎是完全不可行的。 所有传统学者对人口的认真估计都使接触前的Amerind人口总数约为1万,最多可能为2万。 就像拉丁美洲的美洲印第安人一样,大概90-95%的人死于天花和其他新疾病。

    发生的唯一“种族灭绝”是欧洲疾病造成的种族灭绝,数百年来,欧洲疾病同样灭绝了许多欧洲人。

    我绝对不是这个话题的专家,但是“政治上正确的”激进分子所提倡的胡说八道是如此荒谬,以至于我不必如此。

  140. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    谢谢。 这是一个很棒的汇编。 我看到很多白人犯罪者。

    好吧,我花了大约5分钟时间浏览了这个愚蠢的HopClear Twitter提要,在最初的60-70条推文中,几乎没有任何东西可以支持您的假设。

    根据资料,我认为HopClear伙伴可能是某种“ Woke”亚裔,“ Woke”亚裔几乎总是将自己视为强大得多的“ Woke”黑人及其MSM盟友的初级伙伴。

    因此,他们倾向于采取一切绝对的行动来掩盖一个事实,即绝大多数的反亚洲暴力行为是黑人出于犯罪或种族原因而实施的。 整个局势至少持续了30-40年,对种族/民族问题有兴趣的人都非常了解。

    这是一个挑战。 在美国生活着大约20万亚洲人,每年大约一百万的暴力犯罪,包括凶杀,强奸,抢劫和严重袭击。 到目前为止,如果您发现我今年白人对亚洲人进行十次严重暴力袭击,最好带有种族动机。 并且请不要排除丈夫殴打妻子或类似的事情。

    如果您不能轻易地在20千万亚洲人中找到XNUMX例,那么我怀疑问题真的那么严重……

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Tor597
  141. Ron Unz 说:
    @Antiwar7

    本地农业在密西西比州以东广泛存在。 有很多种接触前人口指标:

    好吧,我轻轻浏览了一下Wikipedia页面,虽然拉丁美洲Amerinds的人口数字似乎有些合理,但北美的人口数字似乎是基于意识形态的胡说。

    正如我在另一条评论中已经提到的那样,众多甚至众多的小型Amerind部落仍处于狩猎采集阶段,它们都没有文明的发展(与阿兹台克人和印加人不同),他们都没有城市。

    您真的相信生活在那个发展阶段的Amerinds可能有很多很多,更不用说15万了!!!

    这是一个有用的数据点。 到1830年,东南部的“五个文明部落”采用了许多欧洲的技术和习俗,并沿着白线经济发展,使他们能够养活大量人口,并且他们占领了多个州的大部分地区。 但是当他们在安德鲁·杰克逊(Andrew Jackson)的统治下被强行撤离时,他们的人数只有大约60,000:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

    鉴于这样的现实,您真的相信300年前更为原始的狩猎采集者Amerinds实际上已经达到了15万吗?

    • 回复: @Antiwar7
    , @Chinaman
  142. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我想这比查找案例要复杂得多,这更多是贝叶斯概率的问题。 我们需要先了解黑人在白人犯罪方面和黑人在亚洲犯罪方面的“基准费率”,然后才能对是否存在明显的种族偏见以及其中某些罪行是否出于种族动机并专门针对亚洲人做出声明。 我认为这里没有任何亚洲评论员会忽略这样一个事实,即美国的大多数犯罪都是由黑人犯下的,但在调整了该基准概率以及白人犯下的犯罪率之后,黑人对亚裔的攻击程度是否超过了对黑人的攻击程度?按人均计算的白人,白人对亚洲人的攻击是否超过对黑人的攻击? 我知道您过去对犯罪进行过研究,但不确定这是您所关注的。 从更大的角度来看,如果将COVID造成的死亡人数和美国的基线犯罪率很高相提并论,这并没有什么大不了的,那么您可能是对的,这很对。

    这种狗屎在亚洲很少发生。 每年每10万人中甚至没有一个案例。 这将是个大新闻。 鉴于亚洲黑人很少,因此亚洲种族间犯罪的最可能肇事者是亚洲白人。因此,我对这个问题的看法是。 我从未听说过一个亚洲伙计随机袭击白色伙计,更不用说黑人伙计的情况了。 可以肯定的是,不管亚裔美国人多么“醒”,他们都不愚蠢地尝试自杀之类的事情。

  143. Ron Unz 说:

    我认为这里没有任何亚洲评论员会忽略这样一个事实,即美国的大多数犯罪都是由黑人实施的……我知道您过去对犯罪进行过研究,但不确定这是您所关注的。

    好吧,我从来没有打扰过它,因为历史模式是如此明显和巨大。 作为一个较小的例子,您可能已经注意到了史蒂夫·赛勒(Steve Sailer)在最近的专栏中提到的官方政府统计数据表明,黑人对亚洲人的暴力袭击次数多达275次(!!),反之亦然:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/feds-in-2018-blacks-violently-victimized-asians-275-times-as-often-as-asians-violently-victimized-blacks/

    就像我说过的那样,我一直对种族/民族问题怀有浓厚的兴趣,并且我非常注意这些事情。 尽管MSM做出了巨大的迷惑尝试,但种族歧视的黑人袭击整个美国亚裔的模式在过去几十年中一直是巨大的,至少可以追溯到1970年代。 通常,只有一些最严重或最恐怖的事件才能成功闯入MSM,有些人可以听到它。

    相比之下,我几乎从未听说过类似的针对亚洲人的白人袭击事件,MSM肯定会将其放大到巨大的比例。 例如,在1980年代初,有一个亚洲人在底特律被白人汽车工人杀害的案例被谈论了数十年,后来被拍成电影。

    最近几个月,MSM一直在全天候24-7应对被警察杀害的无辜黑人的大规模流行,这完全是个骗局。

    在过去的几年中,右翼分子无休止地谴责由西班牙裔非法移民强奸和谋杀的白人的巨大流行病,这也是一种完全彻底的骗局。

    并且据我所知,关于在美国,由于种族原因,有相当多的亚洲人遭到白人的猛烈攻击,这也是完全而复杂的骗局。 如果您有相反的证据,请纠正我。

    顺便说一句,这是一个非骗局,您可能会发现它很有趣。 在1970年代初期的一两年中,一个黑人组织出于种族原因开始在加利福尼亚州各地随机谋杀白人,妇女和儿童,受害者的总数很可能超过200。但是,MSM对此进行了报道。上升如此之快,以至于美国几乎没有人知道它曾经发生过。 您可能想看一下我几年前关于该主题的文章:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-kkk-and-mass-racial-killings/

    如果MSM掩盖了当时可能有数百名白人,妇女和儿童的随机种族谋杀案,您是否真的认为这将掩盖当今触发头发的“反种族主义”社会对亚洲人的白人种族袭击?

    • 回复: @JohnnyWalker123
  144. @Ron Unz

    您对当前情况有何分析? 您是否认为发生了投票欺诈? 您认为接下来会怎样?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  145. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    您写道:“他们中没有一个拥有城市”,但是有一个城市:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
    尽管在欧洲人到达之前下降了。

    您可能是对的,北美的高端人口估计是不可持续的。

    我仍然认为北美的欧洲人试图驱逐所有当地人。 其中包括消灭它们,或只是将它们推到当时难以生存的无价值土地上。 人们可以认为是独立国家的某些部落被完全摧毁。 我认为是种族灭绝或未遂种族灭绝,但我可以看到有些人会不同意。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  146. Ron Unz 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    您对当前情况有何分析? 您认为发生了投票欺诈吗? 您认为接下来会怎样?

    好吧,由于两位候选人都异常糟糕,我对竞选活动并没有给予太多关注,但对于特朗普的表现比大多数民意调查所建议的要好得多,我感到有些惊讶。

    鉴于MSM和Tech的看门人完全掩盖了Hunter Biden的丑闻,因此很明显,如果故事被适当掩盖,特朗普会获胜,因此显然有大量MSM / Tech为Biden作弊。

    但是话又说回来,特朗普进行了一次如此糟糕的竞选活动,无休止地向黑人和以色列兜售他所有的行动,而大多数人却忽略了自己的白人基础,以至于与2016年相比,他实际上失去了大量关键的白人选民。因此,特朗普也击败了自己。

    至于彻头彻尾的投票欺诈,也许但也许不是。 我已经在此处的注释线程中描述的一些关键状态中看到了许多非常可疑的指示,但是有时很难将作弊的真实证据与小错误或混乱区分开,而且我还没有足够的兴趣去打扰一下小心地进入它。 临时而言,在选票中似乎有作弊的充分理由,但在布什2004年连任时,我也有同样的感觉。

    • 回复: @Rdm
  147. Ron Unz 说:
    @Antiwar7

    您写道:“他们中没有一个拥有城市”,但是有一个城市:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
    尽管在欧洲人到达之前下降了

    当然,我显然知道城市化的土墩建造者文化,但维基百科文章指出,他们的一个“城市”可能在人口超过10K之前达到顶峰,然后在哥伦布被抛弃了数百年。 (使用现代PC学者的较低估计几乎总是安全的)。

    如果没有人能够找到任何其他“城市”的痕迹,尤其是直到1500年才存在的那些城市的痕迹,那么我只是看不到许多成千上万的美洲印第安人的主张是如何有意义的。

    同样,我们拥有五个文明部落的相当可靠的数据,该部落在60,000年的总人口约为1830,我怀疑这在很大程度上代表了北美美洲印第安人的人口密度高峰。 所有的狩猎-采集部落都可能拥有非常低的人口密度。

    • 回复: @Antiwar7
  148. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    好吧,一小部分居民并不意味着没有发生种族灭绝。 但这确实与您的论点一致,即现在还有更多后代。 此外,“种族灭绝”是一个很普遍的名词,许多人在适用时都表示不同意,因此我承认。

    感谢您与我互动,并制作了您的网站,内容档案,尤其是您自己的文章。

    • 谢谢: Ron Unz
  149. Chinaman 说:

    通常,只有一些最严重或最恐怖的事件才能成功闯入MSM,有些人可以听到它。

    相比之下,我几乎从未听说过任何类似的针对白人攻击亚洲人的事情,

    没有一个案例? 我想下面的这个案例非常令人震惊和非常白皙,但是种族动机又如何呢? 几年前我在SCMP上看到了这一点,所以也可能是相反的混淆处理。

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1902222/arizona-woman-arrested-road-rage-murder-chinese-student-19-shot-her-car

    然后,在某些情况下,不清楚肇事者是白人还是白人西班牙裔……可以肯定的是……他不是黑人。 这是来自Hopclear。

    https://hopclear.com/new-york-man-who-allegedly-attacked-three-members-of-an-asian-family-arrested/

    然后,在许多情况下,肇事者的种族特征没有被披露,但肯定是白色的。 台湾没有加拿大的黑人英语老师。 这也是来自Hopclear。 也许这就是为什么您没有在Hopclear上找到任何有关亚洲犯罪的白人的原因。

    https://hopclear.com/taiwanese-woman-allegedly-assaulted-by-canadian-man-in-taipei-over-dog/

    然后,我们在澳大利亚有400例经过验证的COVID种族主义案件。 您会说这是小事,例如口头辱骂和随地吐痰,但有暴力袭击。

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-20/coronavirus-hong-kong-student-assaulted-for-wearing-face-mask/12075470

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-400-anti-china-attacks-since-pandemic-began-20200607-p550a8.html

    可以肯定的是,正如托尔所说,所有白人在亚洲人都犯下了这些罪行,而并非塔斯马尼亚原住民(现已灭绝)(那是种族灭绝)。 也许这不是您关心的问题,因为这不是在美国发生的,但是说白人犯有亚洲罪行(无论发生在何处)都是骗局,这是荒谬的。

    澳大利亚白人比美国白人更具野性和暴力吗? 我对此表示怀疑。

    我们所有人都看到了我们想要看到的东西,不可避免地会出现确认偏差。 黑人白人犯罪比亚洲白人犯罪的可能性高3个数量级,这就是为什么它被美国黑人犯罪的种种喧嚣淹没的原因。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  150. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    鉴于这样的现实,您真的相信300年前更为原始的狩猎采集者Amerinds实际上已经达到了15万吗?

    我得到了15万个电话。 我无法确定其真实性,说实话,人口数量与我们的讨论无关。

    https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states
    http://www.beacon.org/An-Indigenous-Peoples-History-of-the-United-States-P1164.aspx

    根据定义,放弃天花毯子以减少其他种族的人口,根据定义,是种族灭绝。

    https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smallpox-blankets

    种族灭绝的考验是采取的行动以及这些行动的意图 *不是它的结果* 在这种情况下,两个测试均已完成。 假设您在人口数量上是正确的,那么我很高兴殖民者在种族灭绝运动中失败了。

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    500人被杀还是15万人被杀仍然是种族灭绝。 我知道我们迟早会涉足语义学……

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  151. Rdm 说:
    @Ron Unz

    除非它严格是电子的,并且不应该篡改所述电子产品,否则总会在选票计数中作弊。

    这与亲拜登或亲特朗普,或“遍地开花”或“总是染红”阵营无关。 它与统计数据及其如何操纵人们的思想有关。

    为了给您提供一个示例,而无需深入研究该死的谎言统计数据,这是我们可以做的一个简单观察。 在任何独立的观察中,中心极限定理(CLT)指示一切都进入中间并产生正态分布。 这是 独立 观察和正态分布。

    现在,让我们想象一下,您去问街上的人们是否喜欢蓝色,回答“是”或“否”,您很可能会得到一些有趣的数据。 数据肯定会歪斜,因为您获得的收益将超过50%或低于50%。 几乎不会有50.9%的人喜欢蓝色或49.1%的人对“蓝色”偏好回答“否”。 这是不可思议的,CLT指出这不是独立的观察。 这是因为“颜色首选项”不是正态分布的。 这是不自然的。 这是个人喜好。

    让我们现在来看投票。

    [更多]

    加利福尼亚(拜登赢得)
    拜登:8,098,039(65.5%)
    特朗普:4,085,899(37.8%)
    计数差异:4,012,140万计数中的12.1
    这是 33.4% 自由度。

    得克萨斯州(特朗普获胜)
    拜登:5,211,603(46.4%)
    特朗普:5,860,494(52.2%)
    计数差异:648,891万计数中的11
    这是 5.9% 自由度。

    在任何情况下,如果自由度小于1%,则不是独立观察。 有一些限制, 受控 样本。

    星期二晚上,特朗普注定会轻易地席卷而来。 拜登急需其他 两种状态 达到270张选举人票。 他只剩下摇摆状态。 甚至PA也不再对dem有利。 在星期二晚上,在PA的投票数差为400,000万。 Dem无法尽其所能地操纵PA。 当然,计数是由一个独立的机构完成的,但是所有内容都是附加的字符串。

    因此,戴姆(Dem)需要注意其他摇摆状态,他们可以通过提供任何形式的借口,例如不完整的形式,遗漏的姓氏等,来缓慢而巧妙地丢弃任何所谓的特朗普选票,将其视为“非法”。 但是,正如我们看到的那样,有意保留一些摆动状态,以便计数主体可以完全看到情况并可以摆动计数方法。

    第二天,拜登赢得了威斯康森州,其次是密歇根州。

    威斯康星州(拜登获胜)
    拜登:1,630,542(49.6%)
    特朗普:1,609,734(48.9%)
    计数差异:约20,808万票中有3.2张。
    这是 0.65% 自由度为3.2万张选票。

    格鲁吉亚(进行中99%)
    拜登:2,443,364(49.3%)
    特朗普:2,446,850(49.4%)
    计数差异= 3,486(每5万投票)
    这是 0.069% 5万票的自由度(或误差幅度,如果您愿意的话)。

    佐治亚州的自由度非常低,您可以轻松了解它是如何控制抽样的,而不是独立抽样的。 就像您出去问100个人是否喜欢香蕉。 不是像50个人那样喜欢香蕉,也不像50个人那样喜欢香蕉。 0.069%的自由度不可能弥补100个人对香蕉的回答。

    只要整个样本的自由度小于1%,便是受控样本。

  152. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    看,我强调说,在美国有20万亚洲人,每年有XNUMX万暴力犯罪-强奸,抢劫,杀人和加重攻击。 鉴于这些数字,要让一个亚洲人从未遭受过白人的猛烈攻击是完全不可能的。

    但是,我认为这些数字完全微不足道,并挑战您在今年到目前为止(仅百万暴力犯罪中)仅发现十个示例。 现在,我绝对可以确定真实数字远远超过十亿(百万分之一)。 但是,如果您至少找不到TEN,最好是带有种族动机的迹象,那么我怀疑问题是否真的那么严重。

    到目前为止,您已经在2020年找到了零。

    您发现了一个亚利桑那州的疯女人的案例,该女人在一次小交通事故后于2016年开枪杀死了一个中国人,并发现了最近的一个疯狂的无家可归的西班牙裔人殴打一个对他大吼大叫的中国人的案例。在纽约地铁上停止吸烟。 但是美国到处都是疯狂的人,其中许多人无家可归,他们出于各种奇怪的原因攻击甚至射击他人。 毕竟,我们每年有大约15,000起凶杀案。 这就是大多数美国人不向无家可归的人大喊大叫停止在NYC Subway上吸烟的原因之一-有时可能很危险!

    据推测,您浏览了各种消息来源,而您所能找到的唯一的亚洲白人杀人案发生在2016年,当时是亚利桑那州的那个疯女人。 在我看来,这并不是特别常见。

    这全都是概率问题。 例如,中年亚裔妇女的暴力犯罪率在美国最低。 但是在帕洛阿尔托,过去几年中唯一的凶杀案涉及一名中年妇女杀死了她的(中国)(子。 难道当我注意到一个深夜的中国中年妇女在我身后走时,我会感到恐惧吗? 可能不会…

    否则,您想到了一个台湾的加拿大人案,该案是他的狗在争吵中袭击了一名当地妇女,但对我而言,这一点根本不清楚,其中涉及种族动机。

    您还向我指出了一篇报纸文章,该文章声称在澳大利亚发生了386起涉及亚洲人的“种族主义事件”,包括“虐待,身体恐吓和随地吐痰”,尽管目前尚不清楚其中有多少涉及身体暴力而不是例如只是侮辱。

    现在,我并没有要求在澳大利亚社会拥有任何出色的专业知识,而且由于我不关注那里的新闻,所以我不知道是否存在严重的反亚洲袭击模式。 但是,如果是这样,这不会令我特别惊讶。 在澳大利亚的整个历史过程中,澳大利亚都完全禁止非白人移民,我认为直到大约1年前,几乎没有亚洲人住在那儿。 但是,随后大量的亚洲移民使它的两个最大的城市约占亚洲的4/XNUMX。 这是惊人的人口变化率,肯定会导致与当地白人的摩擦,特别是如果亚洲移民的富裕程度和教育程度过高的话。 当然,最近西方MSM的反华宣传可能会引发以下反应:

    https://www.qt.com.au/news/sydney-now-more-asian-european-says-census/3194397/

    但是,假设香港突然经历了如此大规模的黎巴嫩移民潮,在短短的几十年中,它变成了1/4黎巴嫩人。 您难道不希望香港本地人和黎巴嫩人之间有很大的摩擦吗? 自1997年以来移居香港的香港本地人与中国内地之间甚至没有一定的摩擦吗?

    正如我已经说过的,我绝对不主张有关澳大利亚种族关系的专业知识,并且我尽量避免对我无知的话题发表评论。 但是,我确实认为我有一个 *极其* 对美国种族问题有很好的了解。 我已向您挑战,今年仅发现十起白人白人袭击美国亚裔的案例,最好是带有种族动机的迹象,到目前为止,您已经找到了零。

    也许我完全错了,但是我的印象是,您过去只是很少关注种族/民族问题,并且遇到这个网站,在这个网站上非常自由地讨论了这些“极具争议性”的话题,通常是非常不负责任的。激动的评论者,可能对您来说是一种全新而令人震惊的体验。 不幸的是,您可能会因有点“种族激进”而暂时做出反应,这并不令人惊讶。 但是,40、45年以来,我对此类问题非常感兴趣,并且我认为我对该领域有非常扎实和坚定的理解。

    也许我完全错了,美国有很多白人反亚洲种族暴力。 但是我确实必须为此提供一些证据。

  153. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    我得到了15万个电话。 我无法确定其真实性,说实话,人口数量与我们的讨论无关。

    瞧,您是外国人,您不应期望自己真正了解美国历史或美国当前社会及其学术/媒体界的巨大特点。 但这是一条重要建议:您不必一定相信在Internet上阅读的所有内容。

    如您所知,在过去的几个月中,激进的激进组织已经烧毁了许多美国城市的部分地区,并拆除了许多我们最著名的总统和其他民族英雄的雕像和纪念碑。 在一个正常的国家发生的事情是一件很“奇怪”的事情,应该给你一个重要的线索,那就是美国如今实际上并不是一个“正常”的国家。 您在互联网上发现的那些非常愚蠢的文章描述了居住在这里的“ 15万”阿美林德人的“种族灭绝”,这在意识形态上与对这些雕像的所有攻击都息息相关。

    具有讽刺意味的是,我怀疑如果您与大多数人进行了交谈,他们也会同样相信中国维吾尔族人的“持续的种族灭绝”,而无言以对的中国政府计划将他们全部杀害。 因此,您不必担心美国的19世纪“种族灭绝”,而应该专注于正在进行的21世纪的中国“种族灭绝”。

    过去,您一直以我为理性的人而感到震惊,但您最近似乎真的走得很远,也许是因为您对显然没有专门知识或背景的学科感兴趣,因此粗鲁地相信(并推断)您在互联网上发现的任何胡说八道。 很好,但是您只是使自己看起来完全荒谬。

    以您引用的那个愚蠢的天花故事为例。 据我所知,历史记录中唯一的例子发生在250年前,那是在美国成立之前以及英国人与当地印第安人之间的战争期间。 确实,那时还没有任何人知道天花如何传播的科学知识。 无论如何,在战时使用疾病武器在过去几千年的整个战争中非常普遍,尤其是在被围困的城市中,这种武器通常很有效。

    坦率地说,如果您是在谈论“种族灭绝”行为,那么我已经看到声称大约60年前就有70-150百万中国人死​​于太平天国。 而且我有一个模糊的印象,在过去一千多年的与中国的各种边界战争中,发生了各种北方游牧部落的近乎种族灭绝的大屠杀。 在明朝华人最终推翻外国元朝之后,难道不是蒙受了大批蒙古人的大屠杀吗? 我对中国历史的了解如此参差不齐,在某些方面我可能完全错了,但我认为同样缺乏您自己对美国历史的了解。

    最重要的是,很少有Amerinds人以狩猎和采集者的身份生活在北美,而其中的大多数人死于欧洲疾病,在许多情况下,甚至在白人到达北美之前就已死亡。 少数幸存的美洲印第安人偶尔会与白人美国人进行很小规模的战争或小规模的冲突,长达150年之久,直到其中大多数最终被沼泽淹没并吸收到了庞大的白人人口中。 难道南方华人的DNA不暗示在过去几千年的汉族扩张中发生了类似的事情吗?

    我以为您知道伦道夫家族,也许是最骄傲,最精英的弗吉尼亚白种家庭,直接将其血统追溯到一位著名的印度妇女……

    • 同意: Philip Owen
    • 回复: @Rdm
    , @Chinaman
  154. GammaRay 说:

    严重的问题是,美国目前是否正在对白人进行种族屠杀? 如果不能将美洲原住民从欧洲殖民者那里得到的残酷对待视为种族灭绝,那么现在白人正在经历的当前极为温和的待遇也不能视为种族灭绝。 白人民族主义者喜欢宣告没有发生美洲原住民种族灭绝,但随后会转而哭泣,说白人如何被种族灭绝大声笑。 当白人民族主义者否认美国原住民种族灭绝时,这只会使白人民族主义者显得无所适从,但与此同时,他们宣称白人美国人正在“种族灭绝”。

    我个人一直认为“白色种族灭绝”一词是一个较差的词选择,因为与我们通常与“种族灭绝”一词相关联的图像相比,“白色种族灭绝”的现实更加平淡无奇。 由于夸夸其谈的术语和世俗的现实之间的这种不匹配,我认为这往往会使很多“规范”的白人拒之门外。 无论如何,我只是有点抱怨。 尽管我很好奇您对此有何看法,但据我所知,我没有特别记得您承认“白色种族灭绝”是否实际上构成了种族灭绝。 我知道白人民族主义者对这个问题的看法(以及他们对欧洲殖民者对待美洲原住民的待遇时所说的虚伪),但是您呢?

    • 回复: @Rdm
  155. Rdm 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩

    给Chinaman放松一点,因为您的网络杂志确实使新手大开眼界。 需要花费一些时间来吸收所有信息。 如果他们发表废话或真正的见解,也需要花费一些时间来清除一些评论者。

    例如,我发现Prissy偶尔提供参考信息,但有时却充满现实生活对好莱坞巨无霸的依赖。
    我忘记了他的名字约翰·怀特(John the White),他是一个骄傲的白人,喜欢时不时地挥拳,莎士比亚的正规散文。
    还有中国熊猫,他的思想仍然被困在12岁的时候,常常像艺妓一样咯咯地笑。

    当然,有时我也发表愚蠢的评论,只是为了宣泄我的东西。

    • 同意: Ron Unz
  156. Rdm 说:
    @GammaRay

    从我的经验中可以看出,“白人”的定义是动态的,易变的,具体取决于环境和社会地位。

    在爱尔兰移民之前,白人通常被称为北欧白人,尤其是盎格鲁白人和佛朗哥白人。 爱尔兰人被认为是文盲的马铃薯迷。 他们与中国人一起建造了横贯大陆的道路。 即使是意大利人也不被认为是“纯白人”,更不用说“犹太人”了。

    如果今天使用CEA之前的“白人”的含义,是的,白人正在减少。

    《排华法案》终止后,“白人”的定义逐渐改变。 大多数犹太人已经与欧洲后裔混为一谈,或者有些犹太人只是纸面犹太人,但是从某种意义上说,他们在身体和精神上都是白人,因为他们是欧洲盎格鲁白​​人。

    为了方便起见,当您参加许多比赛时,更容易在高加索人形和西方人的物理特征之间进行区分。 当然,在15世纪中欧之间的许多贸易港口正常化之后,某些亚洲人会具有一些高加索人的特征,或者某些西方人在某种意义上会看起来像亚洲人。

    回到白人,由于盎格鲁-佛朗哥白人与所有其他次要欧洲国家的大量混合,“白人”的定义随时间而改变。

    甚至美国的人口普查在1997年也改变了“白人”的定义,包括中东,北非。

    https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

    如果真是这样,那么本·拉登对世界贸易中心的恐怖袭击就不应被认为是恐怖袭击。 应该将其视为白人之间的内战。

    但显然不是,这是中东恐怖分子,而不是白人恐怖分子。

    即使是某些欧洲白人,也在不断地寻找所有这些白人到底是白人还是欧洲白人(欧洲,中东,北非,犹太人等)的混合体。

    因此,如果您更广泛地扩展“白人”的定义,白人将不会减少。

    但是欧洲的北欧白人? 是的,他们是。

    https://abc7news.com/lisa-alexander-san-francisco-james-juanillo-black-lives-matter/6247494/

    看着她。 她看起来像欧洲白人吗?

    她的眼睛形状比那些亚洲女性的眼睛形状更杏仁。

    但是新闻却卖给了“白人妇女”

    看看约翰·奥利弗(John Oliver),据说是英国白人。

    https://www.justwatch.com/ca/tv-show/last-week-tonight-with-john-oliver

    他看起来像您想像的欧洲白人吗?

    黑发,浓密的眉毛,我会想到什么?

    但是种族在卖。

    • 回复: @GammaRay
  157. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我确实立即注意到您的答复中语调发生了变化,我感到有些愤慨和愤慨。 不知道这是由于我是外国人的无礼还是我对这些事件的理解的无知。 我想说的是我没有写这段历史,也没有写这张纸。 我只是读了它(不仅在互联网上),而且有一支由历史\自由派教授组成的队伍,他们将挑战您的解释,并随时准备私自拒绝您。 我没有称它为种族灭绝。 一些非常受人尊敬的人做到了。 我还相信,种族灭绝的观念也是印第安土著人的后裔所持,即使只是为了参加那起肯定行动肉汁列车。 如果我没看错,我相信您对事件的解释属于当今“觉醒”世界中的一小部分人。 那不是我的错

    无论如何,至少可以说,我们对这个问题的理解之间存在如此之大的鸿沟确实令人震惊。

    我不仅在Google上搜索了有关印第安人的信息,然后宣布种族灭绝。 印第安土著人的种族灭绝几乎是所有亚洲国家长期以来的共识,如果您采样20万中国人,也许只有TEN会说这不是种族灭绝。 这就是我们所受的教导,我一直听到尊敬的中国学者(和白人学者)重申的这一点,并在许多书籍\评论中对此进行了阅读。 (中文或英文)就像大屠杀一样-人们毫不怀疑地接受了这一点-没错,它可能像维吾尔族穆斯林的“种族灭绝”之类,这确实是个骗局。

    我想争论那些事件是否构成种族灭绝毫无意义,因为我不想为我们永远无法达成共识的事情而与您抗衡。 不可否认,您对美国历史的了解比我要好得多。 您也说得过去,中国人和所有种族都曾有过类似的举动。 我不会否认任何事情,按照公认的定义,您引用的所有例子的确是种族灭绝。 我应该尽一切努力,避免走下我经常指责WN的虚伪和圣洁的滑坡。 我说:“种族灭绝存在于他们的基因中”,我仍然坚持这一说法。 但是,它应该更具包容性,并包括我在内,因此“种族灭绝存在于我们的DNA中”。

    人类进化中最难以言喻的问题是

    “古老的人类物种在哪里?”
    “所有的直立人和Neanthedals发生了什么事?”

    答案当然是,由于智人采取了直接/间接的种族灭绝行为,它们已经灭绝了,我们有大量证据证明智人早期居住的洞穴中存在食人族\暴力行为。我们都自然而然地拥有过去曾给我们带来生存优势的“种族灭绝倾向”。 对我而言,种族灭绝不是一个“繁重的”“醒来”术语,它是进化心理学,并得到科学的支持。 否认这一点就是否认我们的人性。 没有什么可辩解的,尝试从另一角度讲叙事在理智上是不诚实的。 就是这样。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  158. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    我不仅在Google上搜索了有关印第安人的信息,然后宣布种族灭绝。 在所有亚洲国家中,印第安人的种族灭绝几乎是长期以来的共识,如果您采样20万中国人,也许只有TEN会说这不是种族灭绝。 那就是我们所教的,我一直听到尊敬的中国学者(和白人学者)重申这一点。

    好吧,我从来没有意识到“伟大的美利坚种族灭绝”在中国和其他亚洲国家被如此广泛地接受和接受,但是,如果确实如此,我想我当然不能怪你相信这样的胡说八道。

    据我所知,整个事情始于1960年代后期,当时各种激进分子开始控制美国许多学术机构的某些部门。 由于他们对传统的美国社会和历史充满仇恨,因此他们开始提倡针对美国传统社会和历史的各种攻击,特别是包括Amerind问题。 几十年来,他们的许多思想项目在整个社会中受到的关注相对较少,但通过大学课程和公立学校教科书,他们逐渐灌输了后代的某些部分,如今,一群激怒的人正在烧毁我们的城市并拆除我们的雕像。 现在,他们中的许多人也陷入了“变性者”的疯狂和其他种种烦恼中。

    由于中国共产党在1960年代后期显然对美国怀有敌意,因此完全可以理解他们会推动美国共产党的发展,而且它可能会逐渐发展出自己的势头。 显然,许多其他亚洲国家出于各种不同的原因而对美国感到不满,它们也将促进美国的发展。

    我不看电视,但我认为FoxNews和其他各种媒体一直在宣传法轮功反中国胡说八道,所以我认为有很多美国人相信这一点。 而且几乎我们的整个MSM最近都在宣传整个“维吾尔族集中营”的故事,我怀疑这个故事被夸大了。

    我认为很少有普通美国人知道“ Amerind种族灭绝”的故事,或者至少我几乎从未在MSM或普通对话中看到它的讨论,尽管我认为这在种族研究部门很重要。 因此,我自然地认为它在世界其他地方同样晦涩难懂,但显然并非如此。

    整个Amerind废话是在其他激进主义者开始提倡黑人非洲创造了世界文明的同时开始的,然后这个世界文明被讨厌的希腊人和其他欧洲白人偷走了。 我认为当今美国很多黑人都相信这一点,但几乎没有其他人相信这一点。 那个理论在亚洲也广为流传吗?

  159. Chinaman 说:

    坦率地说,如果您是在谈论“种族灭绝”行为,那么我已经看到声称大约60年前就有70-150百万中国人死​​于太平天国。 而且我有一个模糊的印象,在过去一千多年的与中国的各种边界战争中,发生了各种北方游牧部落的近乎种族灭绝的大屠杀。 在明朝华人最终推翻外国元朝之后,难道不是蒙受了大批蒙古人的大屠杀吗? 我对中国历史的了解如此参差不齐,在某些方面我可能完全错了,但我认为同样缺乏您自己对美国历史的了解。

    最重要的是,很少有Amerinds人以狩猎和采集者的身份生活在北美,而其中的大多数人死于欧洲疾病,在许多情况下,甚至在白人到达北美之前就已死亡。 少数幸存的美洲印第安人偶尔会与美国白人进行很小规模的战争或小规模冲突

    我们还可以将卢旺达,波尔布特大屠杀和大屠杀添加到该列表中…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history

    这种行为在时空上的普遍性和顽固性告诉我们什么? 我们所有人中都有着根深蒂固的东西吗? 我们可以使用诸如“种族摩擦”之类的委婉语来描述这些行为,我希望我们同意,每当两个遗传上不同的人群聚集在一起时,就会出现一些“摩擦”。 (例如在您自己的澳大利亚示例中)回到基于种族动机的犯罪,我们是否可以将这些犯罪归类为种族摩擦的一部分? 如果生存没有受到威胁,那么也许是孤立的事件,例如随地吐痰和口头虐待。 当生存资源受到威胁时,人群(或拘留营)之间可能会发生小规模冲突和小规模战争。 当事情变得艰难并且达到临界点时,这些行为倾向可能会表现出来……种族灭绝?

    坦白说,我对特定案件或这些案件的发生频率不感兴趣。 你是那方面的专家。 假设我仅在200年中就发现XNUMX例有关亚洲犯罪的白人案件,这证明了什么,我们可以总结出什么? 是否证明美国是一个种族平等的后种族社会……至少在涉及亚洲人时? 我认为,除非我们了解这些行为倾向背后的心理学和生物学,否则这些事情将永远发生,无论是白人还是黑人还是亚洲人。 我认为您的朋友许志安(Steve Hsu)将同意这一评估。 我只是试图从冷静的科学\经验角度去分析它,并寻求某种“种族关系的一般理论”。 我知道有很多真正的科学家也在研究这类东西。 对您的种族动机事件数据库进行系统的审查可能会有助于您理解这一点。

  160. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    只是为了证明我不是在对中国印第安人种族灭绝的广泛接受进行弥补。 以下是有关此主题的youtube视频的列表:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E5%8D%B0%E7%AC%AC%E5%AE%89%E4%BA%BA%E5%A4%A7%E7%81%AD%E7%BB%9D

    这是一位来自中国顶尖大学的非常受人尊敬的教授,他在谈论土著印第安人的种族灭绝。 这里的独特之处在于他去了美洲印第安人并住了一段时间。

    https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1h5411h7LF/?spm_id_from=333.788.videocard.2

    这是外交部的女发言人在正式的新闻发布会上使用“印第安人种族灭绝”一词的说法!

    实际上,我很惊讶您不知道在国外如何看待这种情况。

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
    , @Ron Unz
  161. @Chinaman

    也许您会喜欢下面的文章(也被大量评论):

    美洲印第安人是种族灭绝的受害者吗?
    由Guenter Lewy
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

    快速浏览一下,对我来说似乎经过了充分的研究和争论。 一位罗克珊·邓巴·奥尔蒂斯(Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz)(我没有看过)也与相反的观点有联系。

    • 谢谢: Ron Unz
  162. @Ron Unz

    如今,欧洲人对美国原住民实施种族灭绝和偷窃土地的观念非常流行,我想大多数年轻人都知道这一点。 也许您听说过亲多元文化主义者对白人无权决定白人是“在被盗土地上生活”的人来美国定居的克制?

    尽管您已经相当大了,所以我怀疑这种反白调理是否在您上学/大学时发挥作用。

    • 回复: @Yevardian
  163. @Tor597

    您认为谁在袭击澳大利亚的亚洲人? 原住民?

    您是否知道非原住民非白人的存在? 您是否意识到澳大利亚在苏丹和阿拉伯帮派方面存在巨大问题? 在那个时代,白人通常不参与种族主义袭击 哈衣践踏者 样式帮派已经结束,如今,大多数黑人和穆斯林人抬头攻击白人和亚洲人。

    但是我还是不会很认真的对待你。 您要么是亚洲人的哭泣之手,要么是您还很年轻,当您意识到白人永远不会接受您成为平等人时,您会感到失望。

    他是第5代亚裔美国人,完全融入了美国,对于您的种族意识和对Whitey的仇恨仍然在您的灵魂中蔓延,您还不能说同样的话。

    1965年以后,祖先到达的每个美国亚裔都是寄生虫或外国特工,如果美国要生存,就必须被赶出美国。 在许多方面,亚洲人比黑人更加危险,因为他们狡猾,并有长期计划消灭白人,而黑人只是动物主义的,他们的大多数行动都是“当下”

    另外,为什么您会感叹白人不平等地接受您? 您是否曾经看到白人抱怨日本或中国在日本和中国分别不接受平等对待? 您似乎是一个非常困惑的亚洲人,怀有内在的白人至上主义,渴望被外星人种族接受。

    • 巨魔: d dan
  164. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我从来没有意识到“伟大的美利坚种族灭绝”在中国和其他亚洲国家被如此广泛地接受和接受,但是,如果确实如此,我想我当然不能怪你相信这样的胡说八道。

    你使我好像被中共洗脑了。 我不是。 我对事实的回顾以及与数百种现在被认为是种族灭绝的其他案例的比较使我得出了这一结论。

    在大多数非白人世界(越来越多的西方社会)中,土著印第安人的种族灭绝是共识。 大多数40岁以下的非白人会认为您的解释“完全是胡说八道”,并且在当今世界上被大屠杀否定了。 如果印第安土著人拥有犹太人在世界上的影响力/力量,您将被否认为种族灭绝而入狱。

    感知是现实。

    即使我们只看客观事实,根据联合国关于什么是种族灭绝的定义,它仍然是种族灭绝。 最后,我们在这里讨论语义和术语。 您称种族摩擦,其他人称为种族灭绝。 这是第二次世界大战末期发明的一个非常新的名词。 但是,我想每个人都同意,某些杀戮是出于种族动机。 无论您是否喜欢,种族灭绝将成为这一代人在历史书籍中的记录方式。

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#United_States

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @anon
  165. Yevardian 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    如果再加上这一点,这种“本土种族灭绝”的言论最近在澳大利亚也非常流行,同样也受到对接触前土著人口的新高估计的支持。 几年前,有一本书(黑暗的鸸..)布鲁斯·帕斯科(Bruce Pascoe)的某个观点为广泛的原住民农业提供了证据,据推测,原住民农业在学术研究中卖得非常好,从而引起了媒体的广泛宣传。 当然,与北部美洲印第安人(Sequoyah的字母,切罗基宪法,易洛魁族的枪械制造等)不同,澳大利亚土著人几乎没有表现出采用现代技术或机构的能力,这不足为奇,因为美洲印第安人的智商在世界范围内是平均水平,而土著人通常是估计的拥有地球上最低的措施。
    显然,另一位学者Keith Windshuttle迅速拒绝了他的主张,但是自然地,他的名字在一些专业出版物之外仍然默默无闻。 尽管他还每两个月编辑一次新保守主义者/自由主义者, '象限' (尽管它的文化/文学部分可能不错),所以我对他也没有太多同情。

  166. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    这是一位来自中国顶尖大学的非常受人尊敬的教授,他在谈论土著印第安人的种族灭绝……实际上,我很惊讶您不知道在国外如何看待这种种族灭绝。

    好吧,这些年来,我当然对中国历史感兴趣,但我从未尝试调查过中国大学教授的美国历史。 如果他们有时可能会有非常扭曲的观点,这不会令我特别感到惊讶,尤其是因为我认为学术部门在经历了文化大革命之后遭受了沉重打击之后,大多需要从低基数中重新创建。

  167. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    你使我好像被中共洗脑了。 我不是。 我对事实的回顾以及与现在被认为是种族灭绝的数百种其他案例相比,使我得出了这个结论……即使我们只看客观事实,根据联合国对什么是种族灭绝的定义,它仍然是种族灭绝。种族灭绝。 最后,我们在这里讨论语义和术语。 您称种族摩擦,其他人称为种族灭绝。 这是二战末期发明的一个非常新的名词。

    确切地。 第二次世界大战结束时发明了一种称为“灭绝种族罪”的全新罪行,这种罪行的定义特别愚蠢和荒谬。 您链接的定义部分读取:

    旨在完全或部分消灭民族,种族,种族或宗教团体的下列任何行为,即以此为由:杀害该团体的成员; 对小组成员造成严重的身体或精神伤害

    因此,即使没有造成任何身体伤害,对一个群体造成“严重的精神伤害”,也构成了“种族灭绝”。 根据这个真正愚蠢的定义,全世界“种族灭绝”的数量肯定是绝对庞大的,仅在上个世纪就可能达到数千甚至数万。 基本上称呼别人是讨厌的名字,或者制作取笑他们的电影或电视节目,现在可以说是“种族灭绝”。 这就是WN总是声称他们在美国被“种族灭绝”的原因。 根据联合国的说法,它们被大众媒体“种族化”了。

    实际上,根据联合国这个愚蠢的定义,您可能会提出这样一个案例,即中国目前正在通过对维吾尔族人施加“精神伤害”来“种族灭绝”维吾尔族。 毕竟,“精神伤害”是相当主观的事情,如果一些维吾尔族人不喜欢中国的政策,他们可以声称自己受到“精神伤害”,谁能这样说呢? 因此,您不必担心150年前的Amerinds的“种族灭绝”,而应关注当前的维吾尔族的“种族灭绝”。

    大多数40岁以下的非白人会认为您的解释“完全是胡说八道”,并且在当今世界上被大屠杀否定了。 如果印第安土著人拥有犹太人在世界上的影响力/力量,您将被否认为种族灭绝而入狱。

    好吧,当然。 人们可以相信很多荒谬的事情,尤其是在洗脑次数过多的情况下。 例如,西方许多年轻人显然认为,有17种不同的性别或类似的性别。 但是,仅仅因为许多愚蠢的人相信某件事并不一定意味着它是真的。 例如,在毛泽东的大跃进时期,很多人相信某种行不通的东西,也许其中有35万人因此丧生。

    至于导致整个胡说八道的犹太大屠杀,多年来,成千上万的人因“大屠杀否认”而被囚禁的一个原因是,实际上有充分的证据表明,整个事件主要是犹太激进主义者发明的骗局,从来没有真的发生了。 因此,骗局唯一能持续下去的方法就是将任何质疑它的人关进监狱。 您可能知道,几年前,我在一篇长文章中指出了这一点:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    您最近似乎变得很“醒”。 根据联合国灭绝种族罪的定义,也许您应该开始组织一场运动,以保护贫困的维吾尔人免于他们最近遭受的“灭绝种族精神伤害”……

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  168. anon[544]• 免责声明 说:
    @Chinaman

    与种族灭绝无关。 但是,如果您想了解当前针对中国和华裔美国人的疯狂政策,请给自己一个机会听有关Matt Pottinger的播客。

    https://silknsteel.podbean.com/e/silk-and-steel-podcast-ep95-the-man-behind-war-on-china-real-chinese-influence-in-us-election/

  169. GammaRay 说:
    @Rdm

    因此,如果您更广泛地扩展“白人”的定义,白人将不会减少。

    但是欧洲的北欧白人? 是的,他们是。

    仅仅因为欧洲的北欧白人正在减少并不意味着种族灭绝。 如果白人选择不生育孩子,这是种族灭绝吗? 没有人会强迫白人在枪口下推迟孩子的抚养,只生一个孩子或与非白人混在一起的孩子。 实际上,我认为白人(尤其是白人)如果有人试图告诉他们他们无权与非白人妇女混血,那将是非常愤怒和愤慨的。 那该死的或者,如果有人试图取缔节育措施并要求白人妇女每个有5个以上的孩子,该怎么办? 还是3个以上的孩子呢? 地狱,如果他们只是试图禁止生育控制并且根本不要求孩子,那该怎么办? 您是否还能想象将会出现的绝对垃圾表演? 根据白人民族主义者的说法,尽管积极地向北美洲进行了大规模的敌对移民,但美洲原住民实际上增加了绝对人口规模,这是不是很有趣,但是由于某些原因,尽管白人面临着中性或良性的大规模移民,但白人还是不能做到这一点?

    具有讽刺意味的是,白人是“白人灭绝种族”的最大原因,它荒唐地否认了美洲原住民被种族灭绝,同时声称白人被种族灭绝。 它只是违背所有常识。 白人民族主义者不愿承认的事实是,白人美国人已经变得decade废了。 白人一直都有“坏”的身影,而白人的衰败潜力也一直存在(就像其他种族一样)。 白人民族主义者喜欢假装白人一直是民俗主义者和保守派,喜欢把它留给海狸或安迪·格里菲斯,但如果您回顾历史,就会发现白人比白人民族主义者所相信的要粗暴得多。 白人民族主义者的问题在于,他们一开始就以错误的观念(妄想)进行操作,结果,他们永远都在追寻一种本来就不存在的“白人纯洁”。 如果白人民族主义者能够客观地理解白人的真实面貌,他们将更有能力实现自己的目标,但是由于白人民族主义者总是不断地呼吁这种假想的,计划的,因此他们总是充耳不闻。白度的图像,而不是实际存在的白度。

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  170. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    您最近似乎变得很“醒”。 根据联合国灭绝种族罪的定义,也许您应该开始组织一场运动,以保护贫困的维吾尔人免于他们最近遭受的“灭绝种族精神伤害”……

    我想我们俩都说了我们想就此事说的一切。

    种族灭绝对您而言可能是一个“醒来的”术语,但我在非常不同的情况下使用它。 令您惊讶的是,我感到很惊讶。 如果我们甚至不能就使我们双方都满意的可行定义达成共识,就不可能找到共同点。 您认为联合国的定义是荒谬的。 我还认为,如果将维吾尔族的精神痛苦包括在内,那是令人发指的……甚至没有一个维吾尔族死于这种“种族灭绝”的过程中……我们可以抱怨和嘲笑,但我们不足以决定这些词的含义。

    我说过“种族灭绝存在于我们的基因中”,所以我在科学的背景下使用了该术语,它涉及系统灭绝另一种族的本能愿望。 (如果可以证明有这种事情的话),所以大屠杀和蒙古人对宋的入侵将在我的书中种族灭绝。 与被唤醒无关。

    如果大屠杀不是种族灭绝,那么波尔布特(Pol pot)或卢旺达(Rwanda)怎么办? 是真正的种族灭绝?还是骗局? 我对你的最后一个问题是什么是种族灭绝? 还是您认为没有两个基因不同的种群试图系统地消除另一个种群的事情?

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  171. Rdm 说:
    @GammaRay

    您和我在“白色种族灭绝”方面有类似的思路。 我支持您的观点是,仅因为北欧白人正在减少,并不意味着它正在受到外国势力的积极灭绝种族的企图。

    正如我在本文前面所说的那样,白人正在成为笑话的对头,其中一些人还看不到自己。 当我说“白人”时,它包括所有无意或有意将自己视为白人的人。 在这场WN运动中,有些游戏被当成典当。 前线是混血儿,中东人,皮肤白皙。

    如果白人民族主义者能够客观地理解白人的真实面貌,他们将更有能力实现自己的目标,但是由于白人民族主义者总是不断地呼吁这种假想的,计划的,因此他们总是充耳不闻。白度的图像,而不是实际存在的白度。

    我完全同意。

    我最近观察到的是,欧洲白人或北欧白人正在迅速减少。 但是他们通过招募那些皮肤白皙的中东人来坚持“白人”的概念。 因此,定义真正的“白人”将打败“ WN”运动的宗旨,因为他们没有足够的群众力量来开始。 他们所拥有的只是一些白色垃圾桶,乡下人和白色想成为中东人。

    因此,为了让WN严格定义“白人”的构成,即使无法实现梦想,也将摧毁梦想,即北欧或日耳曼白人,因为这是无法实现的。

    您会在Unz偶尔看到这里,当一些作者展示一个白人女孩被黑人袭击时,您所看到的只是一个皮肤白皙的混血儿女孩。 这就是WN固守在受黑人袭击的任何一个看起来像惠特斯的人身上的程度。

    他们是那些渴望亚洲女性的人。
    他们是指责亚洲男人的人,他们不完全是美国人。

    事实上,亚洲男性从未要求亚洲女性与非亚洲男性结婚。

    在这一全球性的进化问题中,WN族通过自己寻找亚洲女性,并通过高呼“白人生命也很重要!”来指责所有其他种族,从而在基因上自杀。

    客观地讲,这就是为什么我认为犹太人是21世纪的超级经纪人。

  172. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    种族灭绝对您来说可能是一个沉重的“醒来”术语,但我在非常不同的情况下使用它……您认为联合国的定义是荒谬的。 我还认为,如果将维吾尔族的精神痛苦包括在内,那真是令人发指。

    我完全同意您的意见,但不要忘记 *你* 有人引用了联合国对“种族灭绝”的荒谬定义,其中明确指出,“即使没有一个受害者被杀或遭受身体伤害,”造成严重的精神伤害”也可能是“种族灭绝”的一种形式。 你真的吗 *读* 您引用的联合国定义,还是Google?

    我们每个人都有个人专业知识领域,有时需要花费很多年才能获得。 我想您已经说过您是居住在香港的金融投资经理,但之前曾在美国生活和工作了数年。

    我相信您知道很多我不知道的事情,如果我突然开始提出对冲人民币/美元汇率的最有效方法的想法,我怀疑我看起来会很愚蠢,这这就是为什么我不这样做。

    另一位评论者Upthread指出,某大学学者对所谓的“ Amerind种族灭绝”进行了6,400字的历史分析,这对我来说似乎很扎实,可以有效地总结一下我在该主题上已经读过的内容,并且我认为您可能会从阅读中受益:

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

    我认为您已经成为该网站的定期评论者大约一年了,并且可能遇到了各种对您来说都是全新的极具争议性的想法和令人不安的评论,并且自然需要花费相当多的时间来消化和吸收最好的情况。 有时候,有些令人震惊的想法有时会变得有点“傻瓜”,并且可能会以极端的方式做出反应。

    在过去,您通常看起来像是一个头脑冷静,头脑冷静的人,但是在这个特定线程上,您似乎变得过分兴奋。

    例如,在几天前的评论中,您似乎假设亚洲人,白人和黑人之间未来的全球性种族斗争是巨大的,其中只有一群人会设法避免完全歼灭,认为所有亚洲人必须团结起来才能赢得胜利。生存生存之战:

    在反对美国霸权和西方文明的文明斗争中,中国需要我们亚洲兄弟姐妹的每一个人……有亚洲人,白人和黑人,但在未来的1000年中,这些种族中只有一种会幸存。

    https://www.unz.com/article/will-asians-stay-woke/#comment-4259456

    坦白说,我认为这种可怕的情况是 *例外* 难以置信。 在任何合理的情况下,中国,美国,俄罗斯和世界其他主要国家可能会相处得很好,尽管偶尔会有摩擦。 不幸的是,美国最近在疯狂的政府统治下遭受了苦难,但是如果政府变得不再那么疯狂,我希望情况可以回到更加友好的局面,尽管肯定会存在一些挥之不去的问题。

    您的历史观点对我而言似乎有些幼稚。 在整个人类历史上,不同的群体有时相互战斗和屠杀,有时以合理的和谐生活,有时融合并合并。 从最小的猎人与部落部落到人口众多的民族,各种规模的事件都在发生,各种不同的经济,文化和政治因素决定了这种特殊的反应,这种反应会随着时间的推移而频繁变化。

    至于犹太人的大屠杀,确实听起来像是您永远都不会理会我关于该主题的长篇文章,我认为其中许多内容可能会让您感到惊讶:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    如果您还记得,我在一两周前提到我认为我的《美国真理报》系列,尤其是最近几年出版的部分,构成了一种非常致命的武器,直接针对现存政权的意识形态核心。美国和西方,如果被“严肃的”人民广泛阅读,可能会产生巨大的后果。 几位非常高级的主流学术学者的反应倾向于支持这一结论。

    如果您决定阅读并阅读我的一些文章,我认为您可能会更好地理解我的意思:

    https://www.unz.com/page/american-pravda-series/

  173. Bumpkin 说:
    @Ron Unz

    美国最近在疯狂的政府统治下遭受了痛苦,但是如果政府变得不再那么疯狂,我希望情况能回到更加友好的局面。

    “最近”从什么时候开始? 毕竟,您是指称或怀疑第二次世界大战后第一任美国国防部长自杀,肯尼迪被表面上的盟友以色列杀害,军方从越南到伊拉克席卷全球的人自从。 我不同意其中的大部分,但是如果是这样,相比之下,特朗普行政长官难道不是最友善的吗?

    我只是看不到您期望改变什么并使美国摆脱困境,而特朗普只是短暂地打断了它。 如果拜登上任,我们将由一个年老的白痴掌管,或者不管他的腐败木偶大师是谁拉着绳子。

    最后,是我的要求:您反复提及您自称认识的重要人物,这些人知道您所写的内容,但绝不会在混合公司中提出任何要求,更不用说公开了。 我认为对您而言,写一篇有关您与这些人在一起的时间的文章很有趣,它是第一手记录,说明他们经常被美国人Pravda欺骗还是弄清楚(所有姓名都需要删除)当然不公开)。

    意识到您一直在阅读并度过大部分人生的《真理报》,也许这可能是您醒来的故事。

  174. @Ron Unz

    罗恩(Ron)没有冒犯,但您通过巨魔被带走了,您甚至没有意识到。 有几件事使我相信“​​中国人”实际上是一个犹太人,作为中国人,或者充其量是非美国海外华人。

    首先是他反复使用“亚洲”一词,例如,当使用它来指称导致“中国排斥法”的“亚洲人”观点时。 这不仅是事实上的不准确-大约在同一时间观察到日本移民的增加。 我以为所有的黄色人都是一样的吗?–但它也提到那个时代使用的术语,在那个时期甚至在美国之外都没有广泛使用。

    中国人没有按照种族来定义自己,例如“亚洲人”。 他们认为自己是中国人。 对于韩国人,日本人以及实际居住在东亚的任何人也是如此。 该地区的人们根本不会使用该术语进行自我识别,因此该术语的使用完全不了解种族或民族身份的定义方式。 如果有的话,该术语的用法揭示了受美国/美国影响的观点,因为这是该术语可能与“中国人”重叠的唯一区域。 请注意,在西方其他地区,尤其是英国,“亚洲人”是指印度次大陆的人。

    其次,在某种程度上,在美国,任何“亚洲人”都是华裔,因此他们被视为不同于本土人口。 “华侨”或“华人”是另外一个词,用来表示在国外的人,甚至封装了那些出生于中国但后来移居美国的人。 这些术语的仅仅存在就排除了在中国和外部在功能上等同的想法,而且我们甚至还没有认识到没有中国国籍的华人的法律地位并不相同的事实。 我愿意接受任何相反的证据。

    因此,中国人民与亚裔美国人之间的任何想象中的团结都与白人民族主义一样妄想。

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    , @Maowasayali
  175. Ron Unz 说:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    罗恩(Ron)没有冒犯,但您通过巨魔被带走了,您甚至没有意识到。 有几件事使我相信“​​中国人”实际上是一个犹太人,是华人,或者充其量是非美国海外华人……。 他们认为自己是中国人……如果有的话,该词的用法揭示了受美国人影响的观点,因为这是该词可能与“中国人”重叠的唯一区域。

    好吧,那肯定有可能,但我对此表示怀疑。

    您的所有分析当然都是正确的,但他声称自己是国际化的香港华人,在澳大利亚和纽约居住了一段时间,这似乎与他的语言用法基本吻合。 显然,他的观点有点“古怪”,但是这个网站吸引了这些人。

    出于好奇,我浏览了他的评论者档案,他几乎所有最早的评论都涉及中国和中国问题,支持他来自这一背景的想法。 他很可能发明或夸大了作为成功的金融投资经理的职位,但这是另一回事。

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  176. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    例如,在几天前的评论中,您似乎假设亚洲人,白人和黑人之间未来的全球性种族斗争是巨大的,其中只有一群人会设法避免完全歼灭,认为所有亚洲人必须团结起来才能赢得胜利。生存的生存斗争。 坦白说,我认为这种可怕的情况是 *例外* 难以置信。 在任何合理的情况下,中国,美国,俄罗斯和世界其他主要国家可能会相处得很好,尽管偶尔会有摩擦。我们的历史观点对我而言似乎有些幼稚。 在整个人类历史上,不同的群体有时相互战斗和屠杀,有时以合理的和谐生活,有时融合并合并。 。

    我想您会花时间让我参与这场对话,因为您相信自己可以相信逻辑和事实。 现在,我一直在通过尝试使讨论从“种族灭绝”的愚蠢语义转向这些“种族摩擦”的科学基础,来做同样的事情。 我对与您辩论定义不感兴趣,但您一直将我们引回到其中。 它不会带我们到任何地方。

    我有一个科学的世界观,它受进化,遗传学和社会生物学的影响。 我相信大多数人类行为都是适应性的,并受到数百万年自然选择\进化的影响。 自从青少年时期读过Richard Dawkins的“ Selfish Gene”以来,我就对这些主题产生了兴趣。 当您将注意力集中在Amereica的种族紧张局势和犯罪时,我关注了过去二十年来进化心理学和社会生物学的发展,并通过人类基因组测序和特定基因的鉴定来观察这些领域的发展。个人的某些行为。 (特别是犯罪)通俗科学中最好的例子是《战士基因》 MAOA。 这个领域有很多禁止的知识...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

    我们正经历着人类进化史上前所未有的,异常的时期,在这个时期人类没有像其生存的99.9%那样挑战马尔萨斯边疆,也就是说,种族\群体\个人之间的竞争是人类历史上最低的。 这说明了您引用的相对和谐。 我还不确定由于气候变化(如在冰河时代)或化石燃料用完,它是否可以无限期地可持续发展。 正如您所说,屠杀和战争是人类历史上的常态,当资源减少时,我们很可能会恢复自然状态。 我知道您不会看电视,但反乌托邦电影很酷。

    现在,正如我不断重申的那样(您已经忽略了),由于智人的迁移\遍及世界各地,许多古老的人类物种已经灭绝。 这不是“古怪”的观点,而是该领域许多专家接受的高度合理的假设。

    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/there-used-to-be-nine-species-of-human-what-happened-to-them

    所有这些古老人类的灭绝使我相信这种行为有遗传倾向,例如“种族灭绝”(无论意味着什么),而且我相信这个过程一直持续到我们将其融合(在中国和罗马发生)一个大的棕色“斑点”或一个主要种族消灭了另一个。 如您所说,最可能的结果是两者的混合,但是大规模杀伤性武器,核武器和生物武器的出现使“种族灭绝”的可能性现在更加可能发生。 正如您自己承认的那样,美国可能疯狂地发动核战争。 如果您似乎相信COVID确实是一种生物武器,并且如果中国未能遏制它,那将导致数百万人死亡,那不是我在这里提出的“种族灭绝”观点的支持吗?

    俄罗斯,美国,甚至中国都是短暂的实体,对我来说没什么兴趣。 它们是可能不会再持续100年的名称和实体。 他们兴衰。 他们是短暂的。 我希望我们至少可以对此达成共识。 持久的是我们DNA中编码的基因型。 种族,而不是个人,已经成为人类进化中自然选择的单位。 从进化的角度研究种族关系可能是我们现在应该关注的最重要的课题。 CRISPR可以去除那些容易导致种族歧视甚至是犯罪的等位基因吗?

    这些东西都不是关于“被唤醒”的。

    有许多研究历史的方法,我选择通过科学的世界观和遗传学来研究历史。 如果这看起来很幼稚并且缺乏细微差别,那么历史记载或“调查性新闻”就只是缺少树木的森林。 它无助于我们的理解。 我认为您可以通过阅读一些社会生物学(如果您还没有这样做的话)来获得新的视角……就像我从阅读Pravda系列文章中学到的那样。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Rdm
  177. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    好吧,那肯定有可能,但我对此表示怀疑。

    我常常困惑于我所说的什么东西使人们认为我是犹太人? 也许您可以阐明这一点? 我努力使用事实和逻辑来辩论我的案子,当讨论变得激烈而又无话可说时,他们开始称我为犹太人。 我想从现在开始我会把它作为一种赞美。

    他很可能发明或夸大了作为成功的金融投资经理的职位,但这是另一回事。

    我认为我们同意,人们对这些事情撒谎是非常幼稚的,如果您相信我正在从事这种毫无意义的行为,那么您就不会浪费我的时间。 如果您这么认为,我将非常失望。

    除非人们开始质疑我的身份,否则我什至不尝试提出它。 公开这样的事情实际上是一个愚蠢的错误(和傲慢)。 没有人相信这真是太好了。

    • 回复: @Cho Seung-Hui
  178. @Chinaman

    我尽力使用事实和逻辑来辩论我的案子,当讨论变得激烈而又无话可说时,他们开始称我为犹太人。

    大声笑,您一定喜欢您在回应别人的评论时对我所说的话做出的反应,好像我没有注意到一样。 也许不将您的回复隐藏在对其他海报的评论中可能会引起更多回复?

    您也将继续做您指责我的事情,这并没有回应我所说的内容。 具体来说,中国人不认为自己是“亚洲人”,海外华人的地位与在中国当地户口出生和长大的人的地位不同。 他们也不会像“唤醒”之类的事给老鼠打屁股。 我还在等待回应。

    如果您确实阅读了我的评论,我特别想说您是一个伪装成实际华人的犹太人或海外华人。 鉴于您的沉默,我想该陈述的后半部分是正确的。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  179. Chinaman 说:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    伪装成实际华人的海外华人。

    我没有区别,但我想中国人假装成……中国人会很容易而且很明显。 我尽量不要在这种庸俗上浪费时间,希望有人能与我讨论种族灭绝\种族的遗传学。 好像我在错误的位置上。

    如果您不愿意看我过去的评论。 我是一位在美国学习并在美国工作过的香港人。 是我对香港抗议活动的报道。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Cho Seung-Hui
  180. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    有许多研究历史的方法,我选择通过科学的世界观和遗传学来研究历史。 如果这看起来很幼稚并且缺乏细微差别,那么历史记载或“调查性新闻”就只是缺少树木的森林。 它无助于我们的理解。 我认为您可以通过阅读一些社会生物学(如果您还没有这样做的话)来获得新的视角……就像我从阅读Pravda系列文章中学到的那样。

    好吧,听起来您似乎对我自己的背景或作品并不特别熟悉……

    我是EO Wilson的少年时 社会生物学 1975年问世,我得到并阅读了最早的副本之一。 后来我在哈佛就读于他的学校,然后几年前,我终于开始写和发表当时我提出的一些想法:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/how-social-darwinism-made-modern-china-248/

    我记得告诉所有我非常怀疑的朋友道金斯的 自私的基因 是十年来最重要的书之一,而今天我仍然坚持这一观点。 我一直认为如果由于某种原因我无法进入自己的理论物理学领域,那么进化生物学/社会生物学无疑将是我的下一个选择。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/does-race-exist-do-hills-exist/

    我想说,这些年来,我可能已经阅读了近100部关于EV-Bio或社会生物学的书,而且我确实的确认为我对该主题领域有很好的理解。

    相比之下,至少您基于喷出的各种粗暴的种族立场,您对这些问题的理解程度并没有给我留下深刻的印象。 不同种族几乎不可避免地相互消灭的观念可能被归类为“庸俗的社会生物学”(如“庸俗的马克思主义”)。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  181. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    如果您不愿意看我过去的评论。 我是一位在美国学习并在美国工作过的香港人。 是我对香港抗议活动的报道。

    实际上,我认为还有另一个原因是您很可能声称自己是…

    如果您是其他人,无论是犹太人还是其他人,假装是中国人,以煽动不必要的种族冲突,那么您似乎很可能是美国人,就像本网站上的大多数其他参与者一样。 还不清楚为什么有些随机的外国人会假装是中国人,并对中国问题如此感兴趣。

    但是,正如我在本专题中强调的那样,您对美国种族现实的看法完全荒谬,而且很难相信熟悉美国社会的任何人都会使自己看起来如此愚蠢。 尽管您可能(如您所言)在这里生活和工作了相对较短的时间,但您几乎肯定不是美国人。

    如果我开始大肆谈论香港社会和香港历史,我敢肯定我会很快说出很多愚蠢的话,以便您可以立即确定我不是香港人。

    • 回复: @Tor597
  182. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩,由于工作需要,我不得不退出这个话题,所以希望我为时不晚。

    之前我曾指出,亚裔美国人将经历的歧视类型与您似乎没有注意到的黑人或西班牙裔是不同的。

    您似乎在说,由于亚裔美国人没有被警察cho死,我们经历的不是真正的种族主义。 而且我们应该变得更粗壮,不要被这么醒了。 您不是第一个对我们这样说的人。

    您不了解的是亚裔美国人的观点。 对我们最大的威胁不是黑人或西班牙裔犯罪,这是排斥。 因为我们太成功而被排除在顶级学校之外,因为我们不够美国人而被排除在社会团体之外,并且因为我们将永远是外国人而被赶出国门。

    您对这个国家的亚裔美国人历史了解多少? 我敢肯定,您了解中国排华法和日本拘留所。 但是,亚裔美国人最害怕这种在自己的国家成为永久外国人的恐惧。 不受黑人的攻击。

    电晕病毒是亚洲人的警钟。 我们中的许多人都是刻板印象的典型少数群体,他们努力工作,不犯罪,从不抱怨“轻度”歧视,并有白人配偶和孩子。 因此,令人震惊的是,无论您有多么出色的公民,您仍然会被视为外国人。

    亚裔美国人看到中国乃至整个亚洲都在快速发展,而白人美国人对此感到愤怒。 如果这种趋势加速发展,而美国陷入严重萧条,会发生什么呢? 如果发生枪战,会发生什么? 您认为会有更多无家可归的人对我们大喊,是吗?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  183. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    如果今天的亚洲人并不是真正的“美国人”,那么西班牙裔肯定也必须如此。

    为什么同样如此? 那没有任何意义。 美国的每个群体都面临着同样的歧视?

    安德鲁·杨(Andrew Yang)是中国人,塔尔西·加巴德(Tulsi Gabbard)是亚洲人。

    罗恩,这是一个很弱的论点。 塔尔西(Tulsi)是印度人的一部分,但是如果看到她走在街上,您会认为她是什么? 我认为她是白人。

    杨也不是一个很好的论点。 正如您所承认的。 在比赛中他是个很小的角色。 当有白人支持他时,这到底是什么意思? 他们可能像UBI一样喜欢一些想法,并且他对白人不怀有敌意。

    但是他与特朗普的热情相去甚远。 特朗普拥有千千万万粉丝,但没人知道杨是谁。

    我认为您对美国社会种族方面的分析可能已过时50-60年。 别忘了您提到的《排华法案》是在140年前制定的,当时中国人仍然生活在满族的帝国统治下。 假设我要辩称,中国人天生就喜欢生活在绝对的君主专制统治之下,并指出满族和许多早期朝代是有力的证据。 在2020年这会是一个有效的论点吗?

    然而,日裔美国人在我们一生中的很多时候都被送到了拘留所。 您似乎以线性方式看到历史,但是许多亚洲人将历史更多地看作是历史在重演的循环。

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Ron Unz
  184. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我想说,这些年来,我可能已经阅读了近100部关于EV-Bio或社会生物学的书,而且我确实的确认为我对该主题领域有很好的理解。

    我很高兴我们找到了一些共同点,而且我很少与其他人讨论这些问题,所以我们终于可以开始谈论它了吗? 我不得不说,您在该特定线程上没有说过任何话,表明您对该主题有任何知识或兴趣。

    最重要的是,很少有Amerinds人以狩猎和采集者的身份生活在北美,而其中的大多数人死于欧洲疾病,在许多情况下,甚至在白人到达北美之前就已死亡。 少数幸存的美洲印第安人偶尔会与白人美国人进行很小规模的战争或小规模的冲突,长达150年之久,直到其中大多数最终被沼泽淹没并吸收到了庞大的白人人口中。

    现在,我对上面的叙述也没有太过印象,上面的叙述似乎有点自私自利,并且对我(当然也对印第安人)有偏见,这就是为什么我一直试图将对话“提升”到愚蠢的语义和自发性的基础上。攻击试图从更大的进化\自然选择环境中理解您对“种族摩擦”的观点。

    您已经说明了自己的资格,现在让我听听您的观点并回答我的问题……从社会生物学\进化论的角度来看,关于美国的种族小说\基于种族动机的犯罪。 我也想知道您如何看待所有古老人类物种的灭绝/种族灭绝,以及这与当今的环境是否相关。 我们的技术和大脑是否发展到“超越”我们的基本本能的程度,以致不再可能发生这种灭绝种族的后果?

    您知道我的立场,大多数人将其视为一种强有力的遗传决定论形式(或者您认为粗俗\粗俗\天真),但是我只是做概率陈述,并且承认这些结果是混乱的且依赖于路径的复合体中的尾部事件系统。

    我不知道您对这个问题的看法,希望最终能讨论一下,而不是浪费时间听听我看起来多么荒谬或无知,或者将我的看法与复杂的“种族”立场相提并论。 您已经多次指出这一点,所以我们可以继续吗? 如果我以一种可赎回的品质为荣,那么无论遇到什么样的荒谬,我都会谦虚地学习并在理智上诚实。

    我假设您对美国的种族关系有科学的立场,在研究了数十年并撰写了有关中国(所有地方)的社会达尔文主义的文章之后,我们对进化\社会生物学的了解为我们提供了信息……或者也许您不知道不是吗

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  185. Chinaman 说:
    @Tor597

    很高兴你回来。 正是因为我不是美国人,所以在这个话题上受到左右攻击。

  186. Rdm 说:
    @Chinaman

    对于它的价值,我了解中国人的逻辑和事实。

    在与罗恩(Ron)的争论中,我不确定我是否与中国人(Chinaman)处于同一阵营。 我俩都不是双方,因为罗恩(Ron)有观点,唐人街(Chinaman)也有观点。

    罗恩的观点是印第安人种族大屠杀,而中国人则从科学的角度进行争论。 两者都是正确的观点。 只是讨论沿着“种族灭绝”术语发生了分歧。

  187. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    罗恩,这是一个很弱的论点。 塔尔西(Tulsi)是印度人的一部分,但是如果看到她走在街上,您会认为她是什么? 我认为她是白人。

    对于显然对种族问题感兴趣的人,您应该弄清基本事实。 塔尔西·加巴德(Tulsi Gabbard)具有零印第安血统,但部分是波利尼西亚人,而波利尼西亚人通常与亚洲人归为一类。 副手,任何看着她的人都会以为她是欧亚混血儿,具有欧洲和亚洲血统。 也许因为您是亚洲人,她可能对您“看起来很白”,但是几乎没有白人会认为她是纯白人。

    如果今天的亚洲人并不是真正的“美国人”,那么西班牙裔肯定也必须如此。

    为什么同样如此? 那没有任何意义。 美国的每个群体都面临着同样的歧视?

    在过去的XNUMX多年中,拉美裔人定期成为大规模公众敌对的目标,尤其是在互联网上,当然还有特朗普政府及其激进支持者和媒体的攻击,远比轻微和毫无根据的批评要严重得多。今年之前的亚洲人。 相信自己的(亚洲)群体已成为种族歧视和敌对的主要目标,这使您看起来非常愚蠢和以自我为中心。

    这是一个有用的数据点。 大约一年前,得克萨斯州的一些“激动人心的”白人昏迷在阅读右翼网站上的“墨西哥入侵”消息后变得非常激动,以至于他出去了,并在得克萨斯州的沃尔玛屠杀了23名(主要是)Mex-Ams。 我不确定在这个国家是否发生过如此大规模的亚洲人屠杀,而且肯定不是在过去的100年中。 如果亚洲人反而成为受害者,那么像您这样的人将在接下来的十年中以24-7的比例谈论它,但是由于它是一个不同的群体,因此显然让您无所适从。

    • 回复: @Tor597
  188. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    您不了解的是亚裔美国人的观点。 对我们最大的威胁不是黑人或西班牙裔犯罪,这是排斥。 由于我们太成功而被排除在顶尖学校之外……

    对于一个显然对种族问题感兴趣的亚裔美国人,您的无知似乎简直令人震惊,尤其是考虑到我自己对这些主题的广泛研究和撰写。

    很难相信您还不知道,早在2012年,我就是一个人,他最终证明了在常春藤联盟招生中存在“亚洲配额”。 我的长篇文章 美国精英统治的神话 刺激了 “纽约时报” 立即就该主题组织一次座谈会,这也引发了哈佛诉讼,肯定引起了您的注意:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/19/fears-of-an-asian-quota-in-the-ivy-league/statistics-indicate-an-ivy-league-asian-quota

    也许您对我的分析含糊其词,但是非常明显的是您实际上并未阅读和理解它。 让我引用一些关键的段落:

    在检查统计证据时,正确汇总数据至关重要。 考虑一下2007年至2011年哈佛大学亚洲学生的入学率相对于美国最近的NMS半决赛入围者(这是高能力大学年龄人口的合理替代)的估计比例,并将这一结果与相应的白人数字进行比较。 亚洲比率为63%,略高于白人比率61%,这两个数字均大大低于均等水平,这是由于黑人,西班牙裔,外国学生和未报告种族的学生等代表性不足的少数民族的大量存在。 因此,似乎没有证据表明种族歧视亚洲人,甚至排除了运动招募,遗留录取和地域多样性对种族中立的影响。

    但是,如果我们把犹太学生分开,他们的比例为435%,而非犹太白人的残存率降至仅28%,甚至不到亚洲人的一半。 结果,相对于犹太人,亚洲人的代表性不足七分之一,而非犹太裔白人则是迄今为止比例最低的群体,尽管他们可能会从运动,传统或地理分布因素中受益。 常春藤盟的其余部分趋于遵循类似的模式,犹太人的整体比例为381%,亚洲人为62%,非犹太人的白人比例低至35%,所有这一切都与他们的高犹太人比例有关。能力适中的大学生。

    就像这些惊人的不成比例的当前数字一样,更长的入学趋势也是如此。 自从我毕业于哈佛大学以来的三十年中,尽管外籍白人的相对规模或学业成绩没有可比的下降,但白人外邦人的人数下降了多达70%。 同时,犹太学生的比例实际上有所增加。 在此期间,亚洲,西班牙裔和外国学生的数量无疑迅速增加,黑人也有所增加。 但是,所有其他这些收益本来是要以基督教背景的白人为代价的,而不是以犹太人为代价的,这似乎是很奇怪的。

    绝对的中心点是,相对于亚洲人而言,白人外邦人在精英学术机构中的代表人数明显少于亚洲人,这是一个特别具有讽刺意味的情况,因为这些机构完全是由该团体创建的,现在基本上被排除在外。 也许您应该问自己,为什么对这些简单的定量事实完全误以为是误解。 一旦您了解了这一点,我怀疑您对世界的了解将发生很大变化。

    我强烈敦促您实际阅读和消化我关于该主题的2012年篇幅非常长的文章。 作为替代选择,我几年前进行了简短得多的更新,摘录了一些最重要的元素:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-racial-discrimination-at-harvard/

    一旦您真正阅读了这些材料,也许您会理解,对于像您这样的随便的亚洲评论员,他们无知地宣扬 *我* 关于亚洲名校“排斥”精英大学的信息…

    • 回复: @Tor597
  189. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩

    正如我自己提到的上流话题,亚洲人习惯于被称为名字和种族刻板印象。 仅凭这一点还不足以使大部分非政治团体感到愤怒。

    让我们生气的是,孩子们的脸被张开或踢在脸上,亚洲女性被酸泼在他们身上,老太太被踢了。 网上有很多关于这种情况的视频,如果有人对此表示怀疑,他们要做的就是在公共场所四处走走。 甚至安德鲁·杨(Andrew Yang)都说,每当购物时,他都会感到这种感觉。

    关键是,不仅仅是在旧金山喝醉了,这些是对我们大肆抨击的普通人,这种情况在全国各地都在发生。

    就黑人而言,亚洲领导人是否会毫不留情地大声疾呼黑人? 绝对地。 但是正如我在之前的评论中所解释的那样,亚洲人对黑人的关心不是那么大。 黑人遭到猛烈抨击的唯一原因是因为媒体(我们知道这是由白人经营)不断发布有关中国人如何虐待黑人的报道。

    这比一些随机攻击您的黑人要危险得多。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Yevardian
  190. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    您正在看的是最后几个月的故事,而您回头看的是三月至四月的反亚洲暴力高峰期。

    弗洛伊德一度被杀,人们的情绪发生了变化,很多动物的情绪都变成了白色–黑色。

  191. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    我假设您对美国的种族关系有科学的立场,在研究了数十年并撰写了有关中国(所有地方)的社会达尔文主义的文章之后,我们对进化\社会生物学的了解为我们提供了信息……或者也许您不知道不是吗

    好吧,在过去的几十年中,我在很多已发表的文章中都明确表达了自己的立场,而且我真的不明白为什么每次有随机评论者出现时却懒得阅读我所读内容的人都应该重复我自己已经写了。 我最重要的文章在以下链接中收集:

    https://www.unz.com/page/race-ethnicity-articles/

    如果您只愿意阅读一篇文章,那么2011年的这篇文章可能是最有用的,因为它提供了种族冲突的分布或缺乏种族冲突的一些定量证据:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    基本上,我的职位很简单。 亚洲人和白人通常相处得很好,或者至少和50至60年前在东海岸的各种欧洲种族一样好。 这些良好的关系已经有40到50年了,因此在将来情况发生变化的可能性极小。 我想说的是,我的职位几乎是社会上知识渊博的人所拥有的,而观点截然不同的人的数量几乎可以忽略不计。 实际上,我想不起来我上一次遇到一个完全不同意的半明智人。

    就个人而言,我不知道50,000年前的尼安德特人发生了什么。 克罗马农人可能杀死了他们全部,或者(更可能是)他们饿死了,因为他们的食物来源不同。 我的印象是,当今南亚人口的大部分血统都来自于更先进的民族到来之前居住在该地区的原始人(与澳大利亚原住民有关)。 同样,尽管90%至95%的当地Amerinds被天花和其他欧洲疾病所灭绝,但许多国家当前在拉丁美洲的血统大部分还是幸存者所为。 世界各地都有大量类似的历史情况。 因此,我真的不确定“种族灭绝”是否像您所相信的那样普遍。

    另一方面,由于联合国对“种族灭绝”的正式定义包括“精神虐待”,因此,如果按照该定义,“种族灭绝”肯定相当普遍。 确实,丈夫和妻子有时每两周就会互相“种族灭绝”。

    听起来好像您是多年前读了一本或两本《社会生物学》书,然后又提出了各种各样非常古怪的想法,所以我真的不确定为什么我还要在您身上浪费更多的时间。 我想您可能已经提到过,您从不擅长数学,因此也不太可能具有科学背景。 如果您想了解我的观点,可以阅读我发表的许多文章。

    如果我以一种相当无知的方式开始谈论香港,您会如何反应?

    • 回复: @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  192. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    让我们生气的是,孩子们的脸被张开或踢在脸上,亚洲女性被酸泼在他们身上,而老太太则被踢了。

    正如我在之前的一些回复中所指出的那样,您对我所讨论的种族问题完全不屑一顾。 如果我不得不猜测,我想你可能是一个相当年轻的亚裔美国人,他上了一门太多的民族研究课程,现在可以从社交媒体和YouTube视频中获得大部分(非常有限的)世界知识。 我的网站吸引了各种各样无知的白人激进主义者类型,因此也许也就吸引了一些无知的亚裔激进主义者类型也就不足为奇了。

    让我重复我几天前所作的陈述,但您仍然完全忽略了它:

    这是一个挑战。 在美国生活着大约20万亚洲人,每年大约一百万的暴力犯罪,包括凶杀,强奸,抢劫和严重袭击。 到目前为止,如果您发现我今年白人对亚洲人进行十次严重暴力袭击,最好带有种族动机。 并且请不要排除丈夫殴打妻子或类似的事情。

    如果您不能轻易地在20千万亚洲人中找到XNUMX例,那么我怀疑问题真的那么严重……

    考虑到您认为白人经常向亚洲女性泼酸,切开亚洲学生的面孔,踢老亚裔女性,因此在2020年全年仅找到十个这样的案例对您来说很容易。 只要与专注于此类事情的一些大型亚洲激进组织取得联系,我相信他们会为您提供一长串此类恐怖罪行的清单……

    • 回复: @Tor597
    , @Tor597
  193. 作为投票支持特朗普的亚裔美国人,我发现我的大多数同胞无法超越中国病毒,直接威胁到他们的身份,但他们主要是信息不佳的选民,他们对Dem的腐败不熟悉。

    关于长期议程,我看不出美国如何在不提升其亚裔美国人人口的情况下与中国竞争。 亚裔美国人在媒体和政治中缺乏代表性,只是在试图增强中共关于美国确实是种族主义者的说法。 我怀疑犹太人拥有的好莱坞在这方面有很大的同谋。 媒体嘲笑亚裔美国人的方式必须是隐秘的,因为这似乎没有必要。 总体而言,如果您相信HBD IQ资料,那么美国人口就不会在心理上接受亚裔美国人的人口。

    我还看到一个令人不安的趋势,那就是美国正试图引进印度人来与中国人竞争,但我认为这是错误的做法。 印第安人熟悉多元文化社会,并将利用美国人的优势。 婆罗门最终将把美国变成印度,在印度,不同种族的种姓认为不同的事物最终将不得不容忍每个群体的所有疯狂。

    因此,总而言之,美国需要亚裔美国人的智力,否则我认为他们根本无法竞争。 抛开整个2 + 2 = 5的废话,前景黯淡,但我仍然对美国最终将做正确的事情保持乐观。

  194. Yevardian 说:
    @Tor597

    实际上,我认为在最近的某个特定年份或月份中,几乎肯定会有比其他白人更有攻击力或口头表达能力的白人,他们会遭受其他白人的攻击或口头攻击(尽管并不像您所描述的那样凶悍),关于亚洲人,穆斯林,印度人或最令人讨厌的黑人的言论。

    我居住在澳大利亚的几个城市中,这些城市在很短的时间内亚洲人口激增,尽管许多当地人(尤其是老一代,他们记得自己的国家曾经是什么样的人)对此深感不满,但暴力行为实际上是闻所未闻。 澳大利亚唯一的严重种族骚乱发生在十多年前的克罗纳拉(Cronulla),但这是由于黎巴嫩人迅速涌入,黎巴嫩人吸收得很差,该地区像穆斯林一样,在一个以前放松的海滩小镇中积极地宣称他们的部落方式。

    我应该提到的是,在悉尼和墨尔本的核心CBD地区,汉字已经变得无处不在(仅算工作年龄的人,并且考虑到统计中没有“国际学生”和“临时签证”的持有者,我认为在大城市中,亚洲人/印度人所占的百分比要高得多,远远高于25%(高于4年前的近零)。

    此外,尤其是中国人在房地产业中尤为突出(在所有经济部门中寄生最多),为该国巨大的投机性房地产泡沫做出了巨大贡献,使内城区的许多人无法承受工薪阶层的白人。 相反,由于印第安人的性格温和,乐于忍受恶劣条件和低薪水,因此他们在低层工作和入门级办公室/编程工作中具有很高的竞争力。
    还有一些索马里人和南苏丹人,在正常情况下,这些人的数量可以忽略不计,但犯罪的数量对他们的人口如此之大,以至于它们已成为小报新闻的主要内容,以及相关的“反种族主义”新闻抗议他们收到的“残酷行为”的白痴。

    无论如何,这有点切线,但是我的最后一点是,我认为实际上,美国的移民情况实际上要比澳大利亚好得多,澳大利亚经常(错误地)指出某种“基于”模型。 坦率地说,拉丁美洲人是西方文明中唯一仍具有积极生育能力的大群体,美国人的处境可能更糟。

    无论如何,您关于白人在任何欧洲国家的大街上袭击亚洲人的想法都是完全荒谬的。 基本上,澳大利亚是一个比其他任何地方更可能发生的国家,这是完全闻所未闻的。

    • 同意: Cho Seung-Hui
    • 回复: @Cho Seung-Hui
  195. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    如果我以一种相当无知的方式开始谈论香港,您会如何反应?

    如果我说过伤我心的话,我深表歉意。 我没想到雪花文化如此盛行。 如果有人持不同意我不同意的观点,我通常会首先理解他的观点和观点,看看他是根据错误的前提\事实\假设进行推理,还是逻辑上有谬误。 Tu quoque进行临时性攻击,称他的论点古怪,天真或粗俗无助,这无助于我说服他或使我的论点变得更强。

    我想您可能已经提到过,您从不擅长数学,因此也不太可能拥有大量的科学背景。

    哇,您似乎对我了解很多! 是的,与同龄人相比,我确实在数学上很烂。 我的两个中国人朋友是IMO金牌,我的一些员工和与我一起工作的人是物理学博士和数学家,所以我一直都很谦虚。 我必须一直管理这些数量。 我们Chinaman总是要谦虚。 您的数学和科学背景绝对比我强。

    听起来好像很多年前您读了一本或两本社会生物学书籍,然后提出了各种非常古怪的想法

    我真的不再阅读“社会生物学”或什至进化心理学。 这些天很多新奇的东西。 我认为您现在已经从社会生物学转向以基因为中心的观点。 您说的没错……我仍然需要完成Nicholas Wade!

  196. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我真的不确定为什么我应该再花更多的时间在你身上。

    我同意。 除了沿着泥泞的摔跤路线走下去,这似乎没有任何其他意义。 祝你有美好的一天。

    但是,尽管我不确定它们与社会生物学有关,但我将阅读您关于我们讨论的问题的一些文章。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  197. @Chinaman

    兄弟,没有中国大陆的人曾经以为香港人和他们一样。 鉴于香港的抗议活动,香港人也没有。

    坐下。

  198. @Yevardian

    大声笑,要爱怎么没有对此答复。 GG

  199. Ron Unz 说:
    @Chinaman

    Tu quoque进行临时性攻击,称他的论据古怪,天真或粗俗无助,这并不能帮助我说服他或使我的论点变得更强……这似乎无济于事,只能沿着摔跤之路走下去。

    好吧,您似乎在宣讲白人,亚洲人和非洲人之间全球灭绝战争的必然性,显然是基于您曾经读过一两本书的《社会生物学》。 我将其标记为“古怪”,但我认为其他人可能会有更苛刻的描述。

    但是,尽管我不确定它们与社会生物学有关,但我将阅读您关于我们讨论的问题的一些文章。

    由于您似乎非常关注社会生物学,所以我应该说我多年来一直与该领域的一些知名学者保持着友好的交往。 确实,该学科的开创者之一在我的定期发行名单上,几个月前,他给我写了一封便条,说他从我的著作中学到的知识比一生中从其他人中学到的更多。

    也许您现在会明白,我可以对那些在我的网站上闲逛的人感到恼怒,而不必打扰阅读我的文章,而是在评论线程中问我各种各样的愚蠢问题。

    • 回复: @Antiwar7
  200. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    也许您可以使用常见问题解答? 文章/位置的缩写形式。 很多工作,我并不是说您欠任何人做一个。 但是然后您可以指向它。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  201. Ron Unz 说:
    @Antiwar7

    也许您可以使用常见问题解答? 文章/位置的缩写形式。 很多工作,我并不是说您欠任何人做一个。 但是然后您可以指向它。

    问题是多年来,数十年来,我担任过很多职位,其中许多职位 *极其* 争议话题。 试图仅用几句话或几段来总结那些极具争议性的立场,将是一件困难而危险的事情。 相比之下,我几乎支持过去编写的所有内容,这些文章以适当的上下文和细微差别来表达我的观点。

    但是,“谁是Ron Unz?”中已经提供了其中的一些内容。 标头页面中的“常见问题解答”和“常见问题解答”部分:

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    • 回复: @Antiwar7
  202. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    明白了我认为您是对的:较长的文章的保险杠贴纸版本可能会如此简单以至于不准确。

  203. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩,那不是我的意思。 我并不是说亚洲人比墨西哥人更糟糕。 是的,我绝对记得那起许多墨西哥人被枪杀的事件。

    我只是指出,在这个国家,不同种族面临着不同种类的歧视,因此他们有不同的看法。 这也包括面临歧视的白人。

    白人可能会担心没有工作,因为有种族配额需要满足,
    黑人担心警察的暴力行为,亚洲人担心被视为永久性的外国人。

    西班牙裔有其自己的关注点。

  204. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩,我一定会知道你在这个话题上的著作。

    但是,看看他们对SAT和ACT所做的事情。 他们正试图稀释他们,以增加更多黑人和西班牙裔的入学率。

    看看政客试图通过采取平权行动来回避加州的举动。 它被击败了,但是首先出现在桌子上的原因是因为从政客的角度来看,大学里的亚裔和白人太多,而黑人和西班牙裔却不够。

    阅读您的文章后,我了解到,外邦白人也受到歧视,而且我从未说过。

    但是您认为我们会看到什么呢? 我完全希望看到ACT和SAT被进一步稀释,并看到更多尝试恢复平权行动的尝试。

    在过于亚洲的高中已经发生了这种情况,因此可以合理地假设将继续进行更多的努力。

    我想我在这篇文章中第一次提到大学时,我说的是精英大学。 因为我从你的著作中学到了什么,所以我一般来说不是在谈论大学。

  205. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩,我的背景你错了。 我是中年,保守派,我的学校从未提供过亚洲课程。 我确实错过了关于Tulsi Gabbard的较早观点,因为我对D原色没有太多关注。 所以我不好。

    我已经说过好几次了,我认为亚洲人受到的攻击不比黑人多,而且当然从来没有说过白人经常向亚洲人投掷酸。

    我认为将一切都标记为“醒来”与将自由主义者标记为种族主义者一样是无益的。

    这是一个匿名句柄,因此我在这里的大部分评论要么是在拖钓,要么是不认真。 因此,也许您没有理解我的观点,或者也许我先前的评论使您认为我醒了。 这只是在骗取伊诺克·鲍威尔的精神,因为他在其他话题上对我也是如此。

    我不认为美国的种族问题可以归结为种族主义还是醒来。 看黑人。 我确实同意,整个夏天黑人死亡的几起事件主要是由媒体夸大的。 但是从黑色的角度来看事情。

    美国存在着严重的不平等现象,许多黑人生活在恶劣的条件下。 当黑人看到自己的一个人惨死时,黑人应该怎么想? 他们认为这证实了他们所有的最可怕的恐惧。

    即使残酷的袭击很少发生,也很重要,因为它证实了您最担心的恐惧,并且告诉您事态发展的方向。

    我认为白人不像少数人那样了解这件事,因为白人在这个国家经营。 但是,随着越来越多的白人成为目标,并开始失去对其他人的力量,您开始看到白人以同样的方式做出反应。

    我认为您无法从这些残酷的攻击类型中推断出任何东西。 但是它们绝对是重要的,不应该被驳回。

    看法国。 法国与穆斯林交战(当然只是一种表达方式),因为一个穆斯林人将法国人斩首。 这使法国付出了巨额金钱和威望,但这是不合逻辑的吗?

    除了所有事情,我绝对尊重您所做的工作。 没有其他人在如此众多的禁忌话题上有所作为,或者如此勇敢地做到这一点。

    这就是我希望Lew Rockwell采取的方向,但是他在自己所在的地方实在太舒服了。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  206. Tor597 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩,还有一点。

    我的第一个评论是对这篇文章的回应,该文章谈到了共和党人为何如此不受欢迎的亚裔美国人。

    我说过,如果共和党希望我们投票,他们就不会对我们如此敌对。

    然后,很多人回答说是胡说八道,亚洲人不应该抱怨。 然后,我提供了暴力袭击的例子,但人们仍然说这还不够。

    我从来没有说过共和党人或白人讨厌亚洲人。 我只是捍卫我的立场,即许多亚洲人由于特朗普和其他共和党人的所作所为而遭受虐待和暴力袭击,我坚持这一说法。

  207. Ron Unz 说:
    @Tor597

    罗恩,我的背景你错了。 我是中年,保守派,我的学校从未提供过亚洲课程……即使残酷的袭击很少发生,也很重要,因为它证实了您最担心的恐惧,并告诉您事态发展的方向。

    好吧,如果您实际上是一名中年的亚洲保守派人士,而不是一个因种族学习班和社交媒体而感到困惑的亚洲躁动少年,那么您的愚蠢想法就少了一个借口。

    您仍然没有回应我的挑战,即在2020年期间确定十起案件,在这些案件中,亚洲人在美国任何地方都遭到白人的猛烈袭击,最好是带有种族动机的迹象。

    您曾声称这样的白人袭击是一个严重的问题,我说我几乎从未听说过这样的事情。 如果您在美国的两千万亚洲人和每年一百万的暴力犯罪中不能轻易找到十个例子,我想我的观点可能更正确。 确实,亚洲人比美国人出于种族原因而遭受雷击的风险更大。

    正如我所提到的,最近在安静的帕洛阿尔托谋杀案是由一名中年中国妇女犯下的,她杀死了她(中国)的sister子。 尽管发生了那起事件,但我怀疑这里的人们对居住在这个小镇上的许多中年亚洲妇女感到恐惧...

  208. @Cho Seung-Hui

    因此,中国人民与亚裔美国人之间的任何想象中的团结都与白人民族主义一样妄想。

    同意。

    E. Michael Jones辩称,任何将自己标识为“白人”而不是“爱尔兰裔美国人”,“意大利裔美国人”或“波兰裔美国人”等人的人都已经输掉了这场战斗。

    成为“白人”无异于成为“种族主义者”或“反犹太人”。 “白人”一词或类别是由寡头*专门为该武器化目的而创建的。 同上是“亚洲人”。

    *中央情报局发明了“阴谋理论家”一词,以den毁任何质疑肯尼迪暗杀事件的官方和奇幻故事的人……这是由一个名叫李·哈维·奥斯瓦尔德的孤独枪手完成的,巧合的是,他也曾为中央情报局工作,并声称在直播电视上向世界宣告他不久前被出生的(((Jacob Leon Rubenstein))杰克·莱昂·鲁比(Jack Leon Ruby)暗杀之前,他只是个“麻木”。

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