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威廉·威勒斯,一位退休的威斯康星大学生物学教授,他支持 我的 9/11 真相学术自由斗争,返回真理圣战电台讨论他在威斯康星州 MSM 上难以发表的新文章。 它始于:

“瑞恩·韦斯特加德是谁?

“简短的回答是,公职人员 Westergaard 博士是威斯康星州的首席医疗官和州流行病学家。 因此,他可以就与健康有关的公共政策事宜向总督提供建议。 从这种影响力的角度来看,他在多次露面中明确表示他代表与 Covid-19 大流行有关的“科学”。

“3 年 2020 月 XNUMX 日,在 电视采访 记者 Frederica Freyberg 说,Westergaard 博士说:现在科学已经出现了。[因为]最近对大量国家/地区的大量患者进行的研究……。 我们有确凿的证据表明,当人们戴口罩时,传播风险会大大降低。 鉴于所有可用的科学文献都表明恰恰相反,这令人大吃一惊。 只考虑这三个:

“项目:2020 年 XNUMX 月的一篇文章 新英格兰医学杂志 报告'我们知道,在医疗机构外戴口罩几乎不能提供任何感染保护。

“物品:A CDC 政策审查,2020 年 XNUMX 月 关于口罩的有效性得出的结论是'......来自这些措施的 14 项随机对照试验的证据并不支持对实验室确诊流感的传播产生实质性影响。 这两篇文章都值得注意,因为它们是在 Westergaard 声称口罩有效性的两个月前发表的。

“项目:2016 年, 广泛的文献回顾 包含 36 项早期研究的标题为“为什么口罩不起作用:揭示性评论”。 副标题:“昨天的科学教条就是今天的废弃寓言”。 寓言! 但是在 2020 年春季,该文章被删除并替换为该文章是“不再与我们当前的气候相关。 明白‘气候,就像过去的那样,与天气无关。”

半小时我们加入 大卫·金博士,威斯康星州副州长的候选人,他得到了 COVID 自由运动的大力支持。

(从重新发布 真相圣战 经作者或代表的许可)
 
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  1. Are your readers really so stupid that they’ll miss the switch in goals between these two passages, emphasis added:

    we have hard evidence that 传播风险 goes down dramatically when people wear masks.’ This came as a great surprise given that all of the available scientific literature indicated the precise opposite. Consider just these three:

    “Item: A May, 2020 article in the The New England Journal of Medicine reported ‘We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection“。

    Or that the next study concerns the flu, which is a different pathogen and we couldn’t find out prior to COVID community transmission if “risk of transmission” was usefully lowered by people wearing masks? Or that we can’t even find the content of the third at the link you provided? Here’s a capture of it, it concerns 医护人员 which is again an unrelated topic shift from community transmission of a pathogen to something else. (And in the face of a seriously deadly pathogen I’ve gotten the strong impression healthcare workers upped their game in wearing PPE including masks for protection and it made a difference.)

    Now, I’ve never heard anyone credible claim surgical grade plus or minus masks provide any degree of protection to those who wear them from this class of pathogens, their theoretical utility comes from decreasing transmission by those currently infected, one way they’re used in East Asia as basic politeness. In the context of a pandemic the bending the curve thing, failure of which in various places at various times needlessly killed a lot of people, including my local region in its Delta wave peak.

    the COVID freedom movement

    That would be selfish sociopaths’ freedom to wantonly infect other people?? Or sane things like excesses in putting masks on children or of course lockdowns? I suspect no criticism about the failure of the US etc. to make a Maximum Effort to make N95 masks available to the populace, prior to “Biden’s” day late and dollar short “Do Something!” when game changing Omicron made it all but totally irrelevant.

    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  2. Based on what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think there’s convincing evidence that masks reduce community transmission of respiratory viruses any more than there’s convincing evidence they protect the wearer. And since the downside of masks are so extreme—they make face-to-face communication somewhere between unbearable and impossible, impede breathing, and signal abject compliance with idiotic authoritarian directives so strongly that it would be a wonder if mandatory masking doesn’t raise the suicide rate by many orders of magnitude—I think the odds are at least 100 to 1 that the harm outweighs whatever slight level of benefit might pertain.

    • 同意: Truth Vigilante
    • 回复: @That Would Be Telling
  3. Alvin 说:

    “…returns to Truth Jihad Radio to discuss a new article that he’s having trouble getting published in Wisconsin MSM.” Can you provide a link to the article? I’m interested in reading it.

  4. Here is an Danish-American that we are proud of, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Jensen_(landscape_architect).

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    Vestergaard is a VERY very common name in Denmark, meaning a farm to the west, as are Østergaard, a farm to the east .
    It would have been impossible for a Jew to “take” these names, as they were already taken, so they opted for “Westergaard” instead, as did the infamous Mohammed Cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard, but it is kind of ridiculous with this dubble-w, – not considered serious, slightly bastardious.

    There are 60 ‘Westergaard’s in this ‘Danish-Jewish Genealogical Database’, but only 7 ‘Vestergaard’s
    http://tom.brondsted.dk/djgdb/?alpha=W&ged=1

  5. @Kevin Barrett

    Based on what I’ve seen so far, I don’t think there’s convincing evidence that masks reduce community transmission of respiratory viruses any more than there’s convincing evidence they protect the wearer.

    That’s all fine to say and defendable, even very possibly correct, but it doesn’t excuse your mixing up these two goals along with the third of masks protecting healthcare workers outside the context of a pandemic by a lethal pathogen (pretty sure you and everyone else agree they’re a part of the severe PPE regime required for treating Ebola patients (and that’s yet another indictment of the CDC)).

    It’s also 20/20 hindsight for COVID, we just didn’t and couldn’t know prior to trying it and we got seriously desperate about bending the curve several times, as I keep saying losing people in some waves in some locations only because of exceeding hospital capacity.

    我们可以 that and could have tried to outfit the population with better than surgical grade plus or minus masks, again in a context where people but of course not children would take that more seriously than normal. On the other hand in the US as soon as the authorities….

    Well we can’t entirely blame the non-scientific Right from making conclusions based what I recall was the Original Sin of COVID public health messaging if you don’t count Trump’s early idiocies, the Surgeon General, Saint Fauchi etc. first saying masks wouldn’t help because they wanted to reserve them for their own people, then reversing course. (I repeat, why anyone believed Fauchi after he admitted that was a lie especially after also admitting his claims of what we’d need to achieve herd immunity was also one….)

    Anyway, it became intensely tribal and after that we’re fully outside of the domains of science and medicine. As we can, again, see in your confounding three different goals in trying to make a case against masks.

    And since the downside of masks are so extreme—they make face-to-face communication somewhere between unbearable and impossible, impede breathing, and signal abject compliance with idiotic authoritarian directives

    The first excuse is simply pathetic and my first reply … impolite; maybe my verbal IQ is just so high it’s never a problem for me when I wear properly fitting 3M N95 masks. And all those East Asians who out of politeness if nothing else routinely wear masks when they’re feeling ill. But I seriously doubt it.

    Impede breathing, never have found that a problem with mask wearing, also have used 3M industrial 6000 series masks with P100 filters and an exhale valve for high allergen situations and there’s vast industrial experience with them, or my elderly but healthy father wearing N95 albeit valved ones when mowing, there’s a lot to be said for keeping junk out of your lungs. For me mostly it’s the moisture real masks trap that’s makes them uncomfortable, although that’s not so much a bug during low humidity winter. Fogging up glasses is also an issue.

    第三个是 完成 failure of imagination by the Right. We 可以 have subverted that into an anti-facial recognition/we’re outlaws thing, even turned it into a long term thing like in East Asia. And it’s a 可怕 hill for adults to die on; you can/could make much better cases against new vaccines, especially when they were new in Phase IV post-marketing, that’s universally dangerous, but it all became a 盲人 rejection of our Ruling Trash that I still claim is marred by selfish sociopathy that turned into the Right’s worst own goal since Watergate. It’s just as stupid to disbelieve 一切 they say as it is to believe everything they say.

    In any event, your goals aligned with “the odds are at least 100 to 1 that the harm outweighs whatever slight level of benefit might pertain” does not justify the means that also put the lie to your claim of being a 真相 Jihadist. But I still have hopes and I think you’re also trying to do good, which is why I keep engaging you. (Although only with the written word, not a podcast or video news type.)

    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
  6. Beobachter 说:

    @That:

    I’m surprised that some people still believe in the face diapers.

    There really seems to be a war on reality, but actual scientists keep trying:

    https://brownstone.org/articles/more-than-150-comparative-studies-and-articles-on-mask-ineffectiveness-and-harms/

    • 谢谢: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @That Would Be Telling
  7. @Beobachter

    I’m surprised that some people still believe in the face diapers.

    That you use such a term tells us you’re a huge net negative to the dissident Right or whatever you want to call it. It’s only power is in shaming your own side into behavior that’s marginally bad at best (not counting children). On the other hand, you convince the Left and the squishy middle our side is filled with sociopaths.

    OK, while that turns out to be the case, but it doesn’t help us to flaunt it! No wonder our side has been losing on 每周 front except gun control (for whatever reasons) for decades and decades; really, all my life.

    There really seems to be a war on reality, but actual scientists keep trying:

    That’s not a very useful link because again it’s effectively asking the wrong question for too many of its 150 links, it needs to be focused to accomplish anything. To recap:

    No one credible once we learned enough about them has believed surgical grade plus or minus masks protect you from a respiratory virus. The surgical grade is for protecting the healthcare worker from splashes and the like, and avoids directly breathing germs on the patient, for bacteria which are of most concern that could be significant.

    There’s questions about N95 masks, the only important ones I believe are a) in the context of a lethal pandemic, are they useful PPE for healthcare workers? And/or b) and for at least some “civilians?” And c) could they or some variant have been useful for the population in either direction?

    That’s a road not traveled; yes, it takes a while to spin up factories which can make its special filtering material, but we had that time if we’d made it another Maximum Effort like Operation Warp Speed, could project we’d have that time especially before we had more and more clues about vaccine efficacy and safety.

    The big and only legit question is “do surgical grade plus or minus masks reduce community transmission to a useful degree (bend the curve)?” Anyone who doesn’t laser focus on this vs. the above is wasting your time.

  8. Anonymous[245]• 免责声明 说:
    @That Would Be Telling

    No one credible once we learned enough about them has believed surgical grade plus or minus masks protect you from a respiratory virus.

    The big and only legit question is “do surgical grade plus or minus masks reduce community transmission to a useful degree (bend the curve)?”

    If I am reading this correctly, the question, “Will wearing a surgical grade plus or minus mask protect me, the wearer, from Covid?” has already been answered: it does not.

    However, the question, “Will wearing a surgical grade plus or minus mask protect the 社体的一部分 from the spread of Covid?” has not been answered.

    Do I have this right? I would be grateful if you could confirm or deny whether I do.

    • 回复: @That Would Be Telling
  9. @That Would Be Telling

    If you don’t mind talking face-to-face in masks, autism is a more likely diagnosis than high verbal IQ. Non-autistic people are far more attuned to the emotional and intuitive nuances conveyed by facial expressions than autistic people, who may not know what they’re missing when they talk to someone in a mask.

    Hearing loss may also be an issue in my case, although even before I spent a few years in punk bands I was never able to understand a word anyone said at a party or bar with music and conversational noise. So maybe I do have some kind of defect, though I’m pretty sure it isn’t low verbal IQ. Anyway, it isn’t just me. Most of my friends abhor masks for roughly the same reasons I do.

    • 回复: @That Would Be Telling
  10. @Anonymous

    However, the question, “Will wearing a surgical grade plus or minus mask protect the 社体的一部分 from the spread of Covid?” has not yet been answered.

    Do I have this right? I would be grateful if you could confirm or deny whether I do.

    That was the question 一开始, with the additional caveat “protect the community 更多” to be worth their negatives. And there were two “enough” goals at the beginning for such “non-pharmaceutical interventions” (NPIs), decreasing the number of people who got (pre-Omicron) COVID until vaccines were available. When and if vaccine immunity could be added to the game was unknown although increasingly knowable through 2020 (but then grossly ignorant anti-vaxxers came out of the woodwork before we had results), and keeping the curve bent to minimize losing people due to not having enough hospital capacity.

    Which my region of deep Red State flyover country failed after vaccines became available during our Delta peak to the extreme dismay of our local healthcare community. But NPIs were or 应该 一直是个 thing in NYC and its region in its first wave, except there management of the crisis under Cuomo was stupid to murderously criminal (the latter in five states with Blue governess that implemented Final Solutions to the Medicaid problem).

    Note how during that early period politicians also destroyed their credibility by starting with “hug a Chinaman” and then pivoting to what were also often extremes in the other direction. Trying to prevent people from gardening as Michigan and Vermont did are good examples of that, and “非营利机构 lockdown fatigue” then hindered sane policies. See India for one of the most extreme examples of first a 残酷 lockdown followed by a declaration the country had defeated COVID followed by the first wave which by then the authorities had no choice by to let it rip through the entire population.

    But back to masks: discerning answers to the primary mask question is going to be 非常 difficult because it became a partisan, tribal thing, at least in the US. And the quality of this sort of science is very difficult to judge, its hard to do for honest researchers.

    Except you can as I keep emphasizing filter out everything that didn’t address this specific goal, like the Danish paper the anti-mask partisans were and still are very excited about that studied protection. Which I should note is not necessarily bad science, one should double check the proposition of protection, it would have been bad if the assumption they were useless for that turned out not to be true.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  11. @Kevin Barrett

    So I’m autistic because I perceive people being able to understand me when I’m talking through an N95 mask? Maybe so, but with your conspicuous refusal to address the primary question I’ve put to you twice now we can see you are no “真相 Jihadist” at all, and thus turn out to be hopeless. Ah, well, I won’t be troubling you in the future.

  12. Anonymous[245]• 免责声明 说:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Except you can as I keep emphasizing filter out everything that didn’t address this specific goal, like the Danish paper the anti-mask partisans were and still are very excited about that studied protection.

    There seems to have been a great deal of confirmation bias on both sides over the past two years, certainly.

    I do try to bear in mind that science often changes as more and better information becomes available. At the same time, it is exasperating to watch the authorities promote one policy one minute, then reverse themselves and go in a different direction.

    Any road, thank you for the reply.

    • 谢谢: That Would Be Telling
  13. @That Would Be Telling

    “That you use such a term [facediaper] tells us you’re a huge net negative to the dissident Right or whatever you want to call it.”

    I invented the term facediaper week one March 2020. It is the greatest word I ever coined, used publicly by no less than Oklahoma Governor Mike Huckabee and many, many others. Anything that diminishes and demeans Vax Covidians is a Good Thing. F**k your facediaper and f**k your employer’s worthless clotshots, Twat Would Be Shilling.

  14. bert33 说:

    Talk about teleganda and interganda instead. Mass media is the ‘information weapon’, promoted and supported by the govt. Information suppression is also supported and promoted by the govt. Peopl e should be wary about overexposure to ganda in all forms. And yes, ‘ganda’ should be the ‘root noun’ etc.

    Think for yourself, now more than ever, or face a future of having some bald-headed govt. freakshow like Majorkas and his ‘press agency’ trying to do your thinking for you (and failing) LOL The 4th(and-a-half) estate are hapless govt. toolstooges copying and expanding upon one another’s gandaproducts. Kind of like some lab experiment studying mold growth, or something. Something like that.

    Study something solid instead of using twitgrambook et. al. Read a real book instead, from the Before Times, when there were quality standards for publication. When editors threw out the trash, not to censor people, but to separate ship from shinola.

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