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鉴于冠状病毒的流行,右翼圈子和一些新自由主义圈子正在大力推动反华潮流。

这些力量正在寻求转移对全球化的真正批评,包括去工业化,知识产权被盗和贸易赤字,并利用它们来支持政权更迭行动,甚至可能为了美国少数寡头的金融自利而与中国进行战争。 这类似于如何将反移民情绪转为对伊斯兰的自由主义的担忧,以期促进以色列在欧洲的利益并促进美国的新保守主义战争。

特朗普政府的关税是出于国家利益的可喜政策,但它也拒绝解决由于美国资本家对美国政府的垄断而使中国永远获胜的任何国内问题。

美国精英在中国上存在分歧。 一方面,有一个稳步削弱的派系,该派企图继续美国与亚洲超级大国的关系,希望能步入正轨并逐步放开它。

在辩论的另一端,有像乔治·索罗斯(George Soros),彼得·泰尔(Peter Thiel)以及被dis放和流放的亿万富翁罪犯郭文贵(Guen Wengui)这样的人物,他们在面对被动的自由主义颠覆运动的帮助下,将中国的伪民族社会主义体系视为脆弱的体系。前苏联。

索罗斯,蒂尔,特朗普或文贵都不对打击全球化感兴趣,而只是消灭了他们认为是全球化障碍的国家。 对于索罗斯来说,他用左派左翼人士熟悉的“人权”一语来掩盖中国政府挫败的个人财务利益。 蒂尔(Thiel)挖掘了许多“另类”的右翼人物和虚假的民粹主义者,试图构建一种文明的甚至是暗含的种族冲突叙事,以支持他在印度和美国的商业利益。 文贵的武器是史蒂夫·班农(Steve Bannon),他一直在呼吁任何将他当做新保守派的人,即使我们美国人自己没有自由,也仍然在谈论“解放”中国人的愚蠢语言。

反中国? 是的。 亲美? 不。

容易将中国鹰派的言论误认为是真诚的爱国主义。 当唐纳德·特朗普在使美国工业重返家园的平台上运行时,特朗普政府近年来的实际政策并未实现这一目标。

中国政府的国际信息,即其民族主义的命令经济与自由资本主义相比提供了更好的发展,这是不言而喻的事实。 这对美国的富豪制度是一个问题,它告诉本国公民和其他国家的公民,实际上自由贸易和自由化是通往繁荣的道路。

美国首都和特朗普政府没有照搬对中国经济模式有效的方法(国有化行业,针对外国影响的强有力法规等),而是努力赢得了印度总理纳伦德拉·莫迪的支持,印度总理纳伦德拉·莫迪(Narendra Modi)大力倡导私有化,削弱了印度的经济实力。国家和放松管制,这是伪造民族主义者称之为的策略 “最低政府,最高治理。”

在亚洲,经济繁荣和稳定增长比军事力量更引人注目,美国的精英们已开始对印度提出建议,以期对中国施加压力。

去年,美国-印度战略与合作伙伴论坛宣布200家美国制造商有兴趣将其供应链从 中国飞往印度, 不是美国。 最大的障碍似乎是印度基础设施质量低下以及缺乏与美国的自由贸易协定。

根据两个月前在印度教媒体上的报道,特朗普政府已与莫迪政府进行谈判以发展 新的自由贸易协定 这将在美国和印度之间产生 500 亿美元的贸易额。 当所有这些部分放在一起时,最终结果将是美国对中国经济上灾难性的贸易逆差将简单地转移到印度受益。

印度的莫迪渴望将印度变成美国的一颗成熟卫星。 苏联解体后,该国的大规模私有化并未显着改善印第安人的平均生活,他的国家不稳定且功能失调。 ``一带一路''倡议威胁要传播 中国社团主义发展模式 印度寡头被视为竞争对手或对象:巴基斯坦,缅甸,孟加拉国,尼泊尔等。

``一带一路''倡议也是对国际犹太金融的生存威胁。 亚洲,非洲,俄罗斯和欧洲的各个国家已对“一带一路”倡议签署或表示了兴趣,因为“一带一路” 实物资产和凯恩斯基础设施带动的增长与新自由主义模式相反,后者将金融“资产”置于第一位,并将您的国家出售给国际公司。

印度拒绝加入“一带一路”倡议,但周围的国家都参与其中。 如果成功的话,“一带一路”倡议将为曼哈顿的高额财政起到平衡作用,从而成为那些不适应国际大都会的国家的潜在经济合作伙伴。享乐主义的犹太人价值观认为华盛顿要求以“民主”的名义承担其主题。

唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)试图通过创建蓝点网络(Blue Dot Network)来减少这些国家从华尔街文化和经济影响中的潜在解放。 美国自由开放的印度太平洋战略 (FOIP),到目前为止,只有澳大利亚,日本,印度和美国作为签署国。

可以肯定地说,该协议将需要更多的外国援助和贸易赤字,而没有任何东西可以使美国人民在经济上受益。 一项旨在推翻新自由主义改革的国家产业政策是我们需要的药物,新自由主义改革已将我们的经济转变为过度金融化的篮子。 取而代之的是,我们被征召参加一场战争,以挽救越来越少的功能失调和信誉低下的经济模式,这种模式只会使少数人受益。

乔治·索罗斯(George Soros):反对中国的开放社会

国际犹太人乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)的大部分财产都毁了英格兰银行,并引发了亚洲金融危机。 多数西方国家都因为他的经济实力而担心他,他的经济实力是通过投机性攻击而被动使用的,或者是在他为反对他的政府发动私人政变提供资金时直接使用的,这被称为“色彩革命”。

中国是世界上仅有的实力足以屈服的国家之一 亿万富翁罪犯被杀, 直接地 威胁 乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)在看到中国经济不景气并开始攻击人民币和港元时,受到了严厉的法律影响。 据《南华早报》报道,他当时 “发送包装。” 先前的入侵 是由索罗斯的开放社会基金会(Soros's Open Society Foundation)尝试的,该基金会帮助组织了1989年的天安门广场抗议活动,但遭到中国特工的大力渗透,并在事后被赶出了该国。

对于索罗斯来说,开放社会(受到犹太全球化主义者卡尔·波普尔的著作的启发)是部署国际金融以控制世界各国的重要工具。 索罗斯(Soros)在全球“基础”上的章鱼助长了种族不协调,世界主义,移民,同性恋,女权主义和其他破坏社会秩序,削弱国家主权或少数族裔的价值观,从而使他们容易受到他的激进金融行动的影响。 对索罗斯来说,任何集体身份都是对自由犹太人观点的威胁,因而也威胁着霸权主义。

自从中国将索罗斯(Soros)击退以来,他就一直在积极地试图破坏世界范围内的利益。

在2019 达沃斯会议索罗斯认为中国是“开放社会最危险的对手”。

去年XNUMX月,索罗斯(Soros)写信要求欧洲各国政府抵制定于今年XNUMX月与中国国家领导人习近平举行的峰会。 臭名昭著的特朗普-哈特在讲话中赞扬了美国政府对中国的侵略姿态,并警告欧洲国家中国的反自由主义价值观是对欧盟“开放社会”意识形态的威胁。 索罗斯(National Soros)的目标是 波兰,对“一带一路”倡议表现出兴趣,英国已表示有意加深与中国的联系,以弥补英国退欧后欧洲出口市场的潜在损失。

史蒂夫·班农(Steve Bannon)和索罗斯(Soros)不太可能是盟友,但由于普通美国人打呵欠,他们支持饱受打击的香港抗议活动。 中国也已经不可能在制裁和摧毁俄罗斯,伊朗或其他被认为是自由主义的敌人的情况下进行“全球合作”。 中国的投资和援助阻碍了旨在使伊朗人民陷入饥饿的最大压力制裁。 在委内瑞拉,当中央情报局 破坏 试图推翻中国人尼古拉斯·马杜罗(Nicolas Maduro)的国家电网 立即提供 要解决这个问题。

中国和俄罗斯不遵守华盛顿和纽约的指示,在很大程度上结束了作为默认外交政策的“政权更迭”的局面,这极大地挫败了索罗斯关于无种族限制,无国界的新世界秩序的梦想。 中俄联盟在很大程度上抵消了美国的 军事优势 在亚太地区,具有不同抵抗水平的新集团已经变得胆大(威斯格勒集团,中东的反犹太复国主义集团等)。

这是一个机会,它开辟了一条新的外交政策道路,在这里我们可以利用我们安全的地缘战略地位来关注我们自己的业务或专注于发展我们自己的国家,但是华盛顿和索罗斯这样的犹太人根本无法接受。

史蒂夫·班农(Steve Bannon):“热门”人士

另一个对中国进行煽动性煽动的人物是史蒂夫·班农(Steve Bannon),他曾经是一个有趣的公民民族主义者,曾被特朗普和贾里德·库什纳(Jared Kushner)从白宫解雇,现在看来是一名专职兴趣游说者。

班农的反华十字军东征 由流亡的中国白领犯罪分子郭文贵供资。郭文贵在被发现涉嫌行贿,欺诈,强奸和绑架后,于2014年逃往美国。 习近平开始执政后,文桂与中国共产党发生冲突 反腐败运动

最初,唐纳德·特朗普宣布他将 驱逐出境 这位亿万富翁逃亡者回到中国,但在最后一刻改变了主意。 现在,文贵一直在忙于利用自己的财富,试图动员华盛顿的专业保守派,为推翻中国政府创造民众和政治利益。

最近,班农(Bannon)试图向反苏左派提出建议,该派渴望替代左派自由主义。 在Red Scare播客中,Bannon几乎全神贯注于宣传有关“解放中国人民”的新保守主义论点,并传播诸如冠状病毒是转基因的中国生物武器。 后一种理论是由文贵资助的宣传机构G News发明的。

当被问及医疗保健时,Bannon拒绝支持所有人的国家卫生系统,即使 大多数共和党选民 喜欢这个主意。 班农(Bannon)称民族民族主义者和白人民族主义者为“小丑”之后,播客的一位主持人问他为什么支持以色列,对此他做出了绝望而又无逻辑的犹太举动。

当班农试图转回被压迫的中国人民时,另一位主持人提出质疑,为什么美国人被我们自己的富裕统治同样严酷地压迫,应该大声疾呼,只剩下对不存在的自由主义乌托邦的陈词滥调。

班农关于中国对美国经济的影响的一些言论是正确的。 但班农的关系表明,他可能只是在推动从对中国的依赖向对印度供应链的依赖的转变,由于印度的基础设施糟糕,这一点更加荒谬。

有证据表明这是Bannon作为 共同主席 “共和党-印度联盟”的成员,这是与莫迪政府关系密切的倡导组织。

自然,班农的印度教联盟支持特朗普的呼吁 “基于功绩”的移民制度 那将是关于类固醇的H1-B计划,并将授予当前的H1-B持有者公民身份。 随着失业率的爆炸式增长,该计划将被特朗普的基地背叛,并使美国的技术工人陷入贫困,因此该计划不太可能在2020年大选后生效。

这正在形成一种愤世嫉俗的战略,用印度取代中国成为新的贸易逆差接受国,而不是将我们的工业带回自己所属的国家。 特朗普和班农都迫切希望使用诱饵和转换策略将对全球化失败的愤怒转为简单化,无能为力的反华沙文主义,以推动支持他们的商业利益和游说团体,但不要把美国放在首位。

彼得·泰尔(Peter Thiel):已被中国拒之门外的亿万富翁

迄今为止,彼得·泰尔(Peter Thiel)在动员持不同政见者并将其征召入伍的中国运动中最具影响力。

他与犹太复国主义者约拉姆·哈佐尼 (Yoram Hazony)、孟子·莫尔德巴 (Mencius Moldbug)、埃里克·韦恩斯坦 (Eric Weinstein)(管理泰尔的投资公司泰尔资本)、班农、中国鹰派和假民粹主义者乔什·霍利(从泰尔那里获得 500,000 万美元)和唐纳德·特朗普本人等人物关系密切。

在以色列Hazony的2019年“国家保守主义”聚会上,蒂尔发表了演讲,抨击硅谷与中国政府的合作,以此来代替民族主义(在白人国家而不是在以色列)。 。 在这种情况下,泰尔是正确的,但是为什么谷歌是私有的而不是像华为那样的国有呢? 他唯一的解决方案是调查该公司的中国间谍活动。

泰尔现在将自己打扮成“美国民族主义者”,并与一些目前试图提高反华谈话要点的“另类右翼”人物有接触,他与无意中暗中监视美联储的外国政府有着阴暗的联系。状态。 当有人看他对Carbyne的投资时,他的爱国主义受到质疑。Carbyne是一家以色列间谍公司,据信由IDF的8200部队控制。 以及Jeffrey Epstein和Erik Prince,都参与了这个阴暗的项目。

来自8200部队的“前”官员是 强烈代表 硅谷公司的首席执行官之间。 最近在一个迅速记忆深刻的故事中看到了以色列对美国的傲慢和侵略性的间谍活动,该故事在2019年由以色列情报部门植入,用于 监视私人电话对话 唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)和华盛顿的其他知名人士令人震惊的是,美国拒绝回应或解决这一丑闻。

泰尔对中国的特殊仇恨既是意识形态的问题,也是金融自利的问题。 过去他曾赞美中国,但他也做出了没有实现的预测。

苏联在崩溃中摇摇欲坠时,米尔顿·弗里德曼(Milton Friedman)断言,中国必须完全自由化,否则俄罗斯人将落在其后。 尽管中国人确实在某些领域推广了鼓励私人积极性的政策,但最终它却使计划经济翻了一番。 当特朗普抱怨中国国家控制其货币价值“不公平”时,中国人无视他,因为他们知道目前美国政府还不足以遏制自私的美国人。资本家中国扮演。

人工智能的兴起创造了填补传统漏洞的潜力 中央计划经济,像Thiel这样的自由主义者并不喜欢(请注意,他对Google和中国的抱怨是因为他们正在研究一个AI程序)。 不仅可以由自动化和人工智能代替的工人,而且还有私人经济计划者,也就是资本家。

蒂尔的预言 零到一 关于中国的问题,就像资源价格使它们无法达到西方的生活水平一样,都没有实现。 这 月工资中位数 目前在其主要城市中,中国工人的数量已与克罗地亚等欧洲国家相提并论,与停滞不前的西方不同,在大流行病袭来之前,他们似乎一直扬帆扬帆。

蒂尔抱怨 多次 关于中国政府为外国投资者设置的许多障碍,这对于任何有意捍卫主权的国家来说都是常识。 这使泰尔的国际象棋启发式的,违反直觉的投资策略变得困难,并使他感到不安的是,中国政府不允许外部资本主义利益充分参与其不断增长的繁荣。

在自由主义者和新自由主义者看来,最近似乎已经破晓了,经过几十年的否认,中国仍然是一个民族主义和社会主义国家,并且只是利用进入庞大市场的前景来逗弄西方资本来提供最初的推动力。需要上升。 如果中国的崛起超过生活水平下降的美国,那么索罗斯和泰尔这样的打主角的世界观将受到挑战。

在经济领域,像Bannon一样,Thiel似乎有兴趣将美国推向印度。 特朗普和莫迪相遇的荒谬“霍迪·莫迪”奇观是由沃尔玛(渴望进军印度市场)和印度初创企业OYO Homes&Hotels共同赞助的 蒂尔亲自提供资金和支持.

在5G方面,特朗普政府似乎正在加倍选择华为的“自由市场”替代方案,但这是徒劳的。 Thiel的公司Rivada希望尝试 充实自己 其构想是通过国防部的抛售来对抗“中国间谍活动”的潜力,这将使它“开放访问”其电波,但是从历史上看,像这样的私有化计划一直失败。

特朗普似乎自相矛盾 和他的发言人。 特朗普现在正计划将5G国有化,这是真正的爱国主义选择。

总而言之,区分对我们与中国的关系所产生的症状的准确诊断与实际问题之间的区别很重要。 将工厂从中国转移到越南,印度或台湾将使美国人民同样贫穷和失业。 保守派们在愚蠢的十字军东征中浪费精力以改变中国人在中国的生活,这对白人工人没有任何好处。 美国的自由主义正在崩溃,因为它是一个不自然且功能失调的系统。

真正的对话应侧重于统治我们的货币能力的合法性,以及它是否对我们有利。 答案是,事实并非如此,这就是为什么他们希望您的目光投向中国,而不是他们。

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  1. An excellent analysis. Two niggles:

    1. why is Google privately owned instead of state-owned like Huawei is? ZTE is state-owned. Huawei, as far as I’m aware, is collectively owned and does not even have a government agency as an investor. That doesn’t mean it’s independent of the government, of course. Nothing in China is.

    2. The worldviews of shot-callers like Soros and Thiel are going to be challenged if ascendent China surpasses declining America in quality of life. That rethink is coming up fast. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home and have an income, plenty of food and clothes, better education than Americans, safe streets, health insurance, a pensions, and old age care. By then, 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income, PPP, than the average American, their mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth, their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids and live longer, healthier lives and there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.

    • 同意: dogbumbreath
    • 谢谢: bluedog
    • 哈哈: Alden
    • 巨魔: Lot
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Kim
    , @Anon
    , @Alden
    , @Alden
    , @fish
  2. Anonymous[144]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Hello comrade Godfree (I am not being facetious or ironic, we both support socialism for a better present and future)

    you and partial comrade Eric striker(sorry Eric but all the americas from its birth would end up as a multiracial continent, can’t undo history. Europe is a different story though) might find this article about socialism in the 21st century and big data(awful corporate buzzword) interesting https://monthlyreview.org/2020/04/01/democracy-planning-and-big-data/

  3. antibeast 说:

    Excellent article, easily ranks as one of the best I’ve read here on UNZ.com. Just to add a few points:

    在辩论的另一端,有像乔治·索罗斯(George Soros),彼得·泰尔(Peter Thiel)以及被dis放和流放的亿万富翁罪犯郭文贵(Guen Wengui)这样的人物,他们在面对被动的自由主义颠覆运动的帮助下,将中国的伪民族社会主义体系视为脆弱的体系。前苏联。

    The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism” because it allows foreign Capital to participate in its so-called “Socialist market economy” with the Chinese State acting as the business partner to foreign MNCs in order to serve the interest of the Nation. The term “National Socialism” carries very different connotations because of its association with Nazi Germany.

    在自由主义者和新自由主义者看来,最近似乎已经破晓了,经过几十年的否认,中国仍然是一个民族主义和社会主义国家,并且只是利用进入庞大市场的前景来逗弄西方资本来提供最初的推动力。需要上升。 如果中国的崛起超过生活水平下降的美国,那么索罗斯和泰尔这样的打主角的世界观将受到挑战。

    The Western neo-liberals promote political liberalization in the name of “freedom and democracy” and social liberalization in the name of “human rights” because they want power and control over non-Western states and societies. Economic liberalization which China agreed to upon its accession to the WTO is not enough for Western neo-liberals because they want access to political power and social influence over non-Western client states, as in the case of Modi’s India.

    China and Russia’s non-compliance with directives from Washington and New York have by and large brought an end to “regime-change” as default foreign policy – setting back Soros’ dream of a raceless, borderless new world order significantly. The Chinese-Russian alliance has largely neutralized America’s military dominance in the Asia-Pacific, and new blocs of different levels of resistance have become emboldened (Wisegrad Group, anti-Zionist blocs in the Middle East, etc).

    Upon his accession to power, Xi early on recognized the dangers of political and social liberalization which is why he sought to assert the primacy of the Party in both the ideological affairs of the State and civic life of Society. A good example of what could happen is HK with its liberal politics and open society which makes it highly susceptible to political subversion and easy prey to social nihilism. Putin has also belatedly acknowledged this problem in Russia where he is now trying to pull off something similar to Xi’s strategy. Both Xi’s China and Putin’s Russia are impediments to the Globalist NWO agenda of the 深刻的状态 running the USA Empire because the two Eastern Powers represent the permanence and immutability of Sovereign Nation-States in the international arena.

    One more thing, the biggest existential threat to the Globalists is neither China nor Russia but the populist movement known as Trumpism. Love him or hate him, Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist. That would explain why the 深刻的状态 has been so hostile to Trump since day one of his Presidency.

    • 谢谢: dogbumbreath, Ann Nonny Mouse
    • 回复: @SDC
    , @Mefobills
    , @Mefobills
    , @Herald
  4. mediolanum 说:

    This flat out one of the best articles I’ve read on Unz.
    Kudos to striker for writing. Things are now coming into view for me about how these mendicants like Soros and Theil operate.

  5. last straw 说:

    The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism” because it allows foreign Capital to participate in its so-called “Socialist market economy” with the Chinese State acting as the business partner to foreign MNCs in order to serve the interest of the Nation.

    I think China, with national and public ownership of land and natural resources, and abundant SOEs, is a “socialist country with capitalist characters”.

    The U.S. on the other hand, with its policies of corporate welfare, bailing out the wall street at the expenses of main street, and privatizing profits and socializing losses, is a country with “corporate socialism”.

    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @paranoid goy
  6. Tor597 说:

    Great hard hitting article.

    1) But not all manufacturing should be brought back to America. The high value manufacturing should be brought back to America while the low cost manufacturing should be relocated mainly to Mexico and Latin America.

    You don’t want to manufacture everything, or else our American cars will cost \$50k a piece. Let the Mexicans do basic low cost work. Also, this will help keep more Mexicans in Mexico and not having to come to America as immigrants.

    2) Agree 100% on India. I want nothing to do with these people and it has more to do than lack of infrastructure. In order to manufacture you need to have a wide base of workers who can be compliant and work together. India is the opposite. Indians are good at being lawyers and pundits, but little else.

    Also, if you think the Chinese are scammers, wait till you see India try to trade with us. Hell No!

  7. SDC 说:
    @antibeast

    One more thing, the biggest existential threat to the Globalists is neither China nor Russia but the populist movement known as Trumpism. Love him or hate him, Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist. That would explain why the Deep State has been so hostile to Trump since day one of his Presidency.

    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2019

    • 回复: @antibeast
  8. BRITISHBRAINSIZE1325ccLOL
    You were going good till you showed what you think of china with two words, and you know what they are, you are just another yellow fevered white scum nationalist loser ,us chinese have contempt for losers like you.

  9. Another ringer from Eric! Keep ’em coming, brother.

  10. @Anonymous

    谢谢。

    The 2020 GFC (since that is what it will be, regardless of what triggered it) will prove or disprove his analysis…

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Erebus
  11. The end game of the wars in the Middle East was always Russia and China and the wars were a pretext to balkanize the Middle East and establish US bases for the expansion of the Rothschild Colony of Israel while containing Russia and China. Russia recognized they were next on the globalist hit list if they allowed Syria and Iran to fall and they stopped Rothschild in Syria and Crimea before they found themselves alone without any allies. Israel would be at the center of world trade, which is why they stole Palestine instead of going with Uganda or Argentina. Both Russia and China don’t want an expansionist nuclear colony that would dominate their economies on their doorstep. 5G is just an arms race, citizens health be damned.

    “Those who stand ready to furnish this money, are the real rulers. It is so in Europe, and it is so in this country (the US). In Europe, the nominal rulers, the emperors and kings and parliaments, are anything but the real rulers of their respective countries. They are little or nothing else than mere tools, employed by the wealthy to rob, enslave, and (if need be) murder those who have less wealth, or none at all. The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents – men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest – stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved.”
    ― Lysander Spooner, No Treason No VI: The Constitution of No Authority, p. 48, 1867

  12. Yee 说:

    controls media = controls public opinions
    controls public opinions = controls politicians

    Media is the modern equivalent of Church, a brainwash machine.

    This is why it’s so important that every country in the world must have “free press and democracy”, because who controls media controls governments.

  13. Reg Cæsar 说:

    Nations across Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe have signed on or expressed interest in the BRI due to its exclusive focus on real assets and Keynesian infrastructuve-led growth

    So we’re all Keynesians now? Was Nixon prescient?

    • 回复: @Robert White
  14. antibeast 说:
    @last straw

    The U.S. on the other hand, with its policies of corporate welfare, bailing out the wall street at the expenses of main street, and privatizing profits and socializing losses, is a country with “corporate socialism”.

    The US banking bailouts are more like “crony capitalism” because the US government did not have any ownership stake in the TBTF banks. If Obama had nationalized those TBTF banks in exchange for the TARP bailouts, then the US would have something akin to China’s system. But, alas, the Obama Administration ended up socializing those public debts for US citizens while privatizing the profit gains for his Wall Street benefactors. History is now repeating itself under the Trump Administration with \$2T of bailout funds going to Wall Street banks.

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  15. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    We inventors of Western Civilization and all its unparalleled accomplishments have nothing but a seething hatred for you dog-eating, God-hating heathen filth.

    • 哈哈: bluedog
  16. antibeast 说:
    @SDC

    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

    Trump was never against legal immigration 本身 but he was always against illegal immigration. Besides, he thought that the USA needed to change its immigration laws from family ties to favor merit which is badly needed for certain industries such as healthcare and technology.

    The largest source of immigrants (both legal and illegal) in the USA today are low-skilled immigrants from Mexico and Central America. That’s not what Trump wants. He wants talented, wealthy or beautiful immigrants like his two Eastern European wives.

    • 回复: @Kolya Krassotkin
  17. Anonymous[166]• 免责声明 说:

    @ SDC

    The commentator antibeast is 100% correct. Trump is taking America back to 1998. If you’re happy with America returning back to what it was in the 1990s you’ll be happy with the Trump presidency.

  18. Kim 说:

    Let’s say that we have annual global growth of 2%. We don’t have anything like that, especially not now under the coronahoax, but let’s just play with the idea.

    From that 2% growth a year, the world has to subtract the basic costs of running a population that is currently 7.5 billion. What is left after we do that, we can use to pay down an outstanding global debt of \$255 trillion. Of course, clearly, there is not enough surplus production to pay down that debt. In fact the opposite is the case: to continue to consume, the world is going to have to to that \$255 trillion.

    So that is one side of the entire equation, and we can play “commie good, capitalist exploiter bad” and “my billionaire oligarchs are better than your billionaire oligarchs” all day long, but that is not going to make the debt go away, especially as none of the greedy and corrupt oligarchs of every race, whatever political flag they are waving, is doing anything to address the debt problem or to address the issues that mean that every country that is mentioned here is going to go down, further and further, faster and faster, and it does not matter a hairpin what “politics” a country claims to have.

    Because what could they possible do anyway?

    The other side of the debt equation is energy. Again let’s assume that we somehow in the future we again enjoy that 2% global growth. That means that in the next 36 years leading up to the year 2056, the world will consume as much energy (in particular oil) again as we have already consumed in the period since 1859, when oil first came out a gusher in Titusville, Pennsylvania.

    Is that possible? Of course not. Anyone who thinks that it is possible, that there is there is as much super-cheap or even just cheap oil available to the world today as there was in 1859 should immediately post himself off to the booby-hatch.

    Why do I raise this issue in an article which is basically a false flag, that pretends to fly the flag of the common people – they represent or protect us! – but in fact flies the flag of global oligarchs?

    I raise these issues because the common person should stop giving his allegiance and belief to these evil clowns. They are leading you astray and away from your own real interests. The entire assumption of all of these discussions, “America will be great again!” “No China will be the new global hegemon!”, “Trump is for heritage America!”, “Xi Jin Ping and the Princelings care about the average Chinese!” are just the most ridiculous bumpf.

    Forget these guys. They are not going to help you. They can’t! Only you can help yourself and you can do that only if you focus on your own personal situation and face reality.

    The past certainly was not what you expected it to be and for reasons that are opaque even in hindsight. Well, let me advise you that – for reasons that ,那恭喜你, perfectly clear and that I irrefutably outlined above – the future even moreso is going to be much less glorious than any one of any political stripe is trying to sell you.

  19. Mefobills 说:
    @antibeast

    Corporate socialism is what the US has. Recent bailout of corporations rather than the people should be abundantly clear by now to all.

    China is nationalist socialist and people need to get over the boogey man. NSDAP economy had a lot of merit. We poke out our own eyes to spite our face when we refuse to deal with facts. Fact is….screw Jewish paranoia about the Nazi boogey man or Russian Cossacks coming to get them.

    • 同意: Digital Samizdat, BlackFlag
    • 回复: @Ondra Hada
  20. Mefobills 说:
    @antibeast

    The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism”

    Socialism for corporations is what the U.S. has. Are the bailouts going to the people or to corporations? The U.S. is a plutocracy… a finance plutocracy to be more correct, and this plutocracy wants to own everything, and also be backstopped with taxpayer bailouts. Heads I win, tails you lose.

    The term “National Socialism” carries very different connotations because of its association with Nazi Germany.

    National Socialist Germany or NSDAP economy had a lot of merit. I would even go so far as to say the wrong side won in World War 2. The international forces of finance capital won in WW2. How is that working out for you now?

    Get over your brainwashing… you have been programmed from birth about the evil Nazi’s, when revisionist historians are now showing most of it was fake news… war time propaganda that never got corrected, and then Hollywood (jewlywood) built on the fake news to promote their new religion of holocaustianity.

    Holocaustianity inverts Christianity by making the Jew the perpetual victim nailed to the cross, while the devil is the white german or now any white male doing the torturing.

    The Chinese system is a form of National Socialism. I have argued here at Unz review, China is actually running the American System of Economy of Henry Carey (and the founders).

    That my fellow American’s are now 180 degrees out of phase with the wishes of the founding fathers is something to behold.

    Grow a pair. Jewish fears of a Nazi hangman or the thundering hooves of Russian Cossacks are a collective psychosis, because we now live in usury derived Jew world, and are afraid to utter terms like “National Socialism,” even when it is accurate.

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @GeeBee
  21. gotmituns 说:

    International Finance is code for Jews. Go to barter economy and no one needs those turds.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  22. What a shame that influential money power oligarchs, politicians, and journalists for big corporate media appear to be either pro-Israel, pro-China, or pro-India, yet in any case for open borders to facilitate mass migration into Europe and North America and destabilize their societies.

    …spreading unfounded conspiracy theories like the idea that the coronavirus is a genetically engineered Chinese bioweapon.=

    This is certainly the most plausible explanation. Though it might have been released from the lab in Wuhan accidentally, the actual “warfare” occurred later, due to the refusal of Chinese authorities to have closed down the airport in Wuhan, once the dangerous threat was realized, and having instead decided to let it remain open for another two to three weeks, thereby having allowed the virus to spread throughout the world by unwitting flight passengers during this crucial period; so in any case they bear primary culpability for the current epidemic.

    • 同意: Alden
    • 不同意: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • 回复: @ploni almoni
    , @denk
  23. 与苏联作战,与中国合作。
    与中国抗衡,与印度联手。
    打印度,和谁组队? 外星人?

    ’如果崛起的中国在生活质量上超过了衰落的美国,索罗斯和泰尔等人的世界观将受到挑战。 '
    这种世界观挑战的事情不会发生,不是说超越不会发生,而是索罗斯和泰尔不太关心美国的生活质量。
    喜欢印度,喜欢美国,喜欢鸡尾酒。 上层和下层不混合。 为什么顶层应该关心底层?

  24. Biff 说:

    At the 2019 Davos conference, Soros pegged China as the “most dangerous opponent to the open society.”

    Soros’ definition of an open society is a democratic one where you can buy elections, politicians, and law makers, so you can write the laws yourself – thank you very much. Another words, a feudal system dressed up as a liberal democracy.
    Doesn’t work with China, or anywhere else that gave the hair brained idea of national elections, lobbying, and tax deductible think-tanks the heave-ho.

    • 同意: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • 回复: @bluedog
  25. brabantian 说:

    US-Western goons bashing China, Chinese bashing the US, each blaming coronavirus on the other

    The bigger red pill is that big power conflict is often fake

    Half a century ago Antony Sutton showed the USA was transferring tech to the old Soviet Union, to create ‘The Best Enemy Money Can Buy’, Soviet elites got funds, Hollywood movies, latest washing machines too

    China is full of Chabad centres, Beijing Chabad has a direct hotline to Jared Kushner’s rabbi at Washington DC Chabad, and ‘Putin’s rabbi’ Berel Lazar at Moscow Chabad

    A whole bunch of European Jews were involved in creating Mao’s China, some even joining the ruling politburo

    Billionaire Sheldon Adelson, USA’s biggest Jewish political kingmaker, makes most of his money in Macau China, is quite close to Beijing … Adelson funds Trump and Republicans, Beijing doesn’t touch Adelson tho, despite his own direct White House hotline

    It’s all a show, good friends, like rival high school football teams

    • 同意: Alden
    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  26. Anonymous[162]• 免责声明 说:

    Thiel has tapped a number of “alt” right-wing personalities and phony populists to try and construct a civilizational and even implicitly racial clash narrative to support his business interests in India and America.

    A good example of this is the alt-right personality “Bronze Age Pervert”.

    Like Thiel, Bronze Age Pervert is gay. He is also Jewish, and his background includes a university that is the intellectual home of neoconservatism and the neocon think tank the Claremont Institute. He was briefly in the White House and now works for a closeted gay congressman.

  27. 优秀的分析。 自由全球主义精英不能对走不同道路的国家(中国、匈牙利等)采取生死攸关的态度,因为他们害怕虚张声势。 前段时间,某位可悲的作者在某本可悲的书中提出了这一点,但提到了苏联对法西斯/民族主义的日本:

    “在这群非国有化的殖民领土中,一个独立的国家可能仍然会在最后一刻破坏整个工作。 因为布尔什维克世界只有在它包容一切的情况下才能存在。 如果只有一个国家的国力和伟大得以保存,那么犹太总督的世界帝国,就像这个世界上的每一个暴政一样,都必须屈服于民族观念的力量”。

    将“布尔什维克主义”替换为“自由多元文化主义者”,将日本替换为中国,您就可以完美地描述当今时代。

  28. Tor597 说:

    If Americans were shocked by how Corona Virus dismantled their country, I think they will be even more shocked by what their crusade against China will bring them.

    1) America can only really exist in a unipolar world. By confronting China so openly will lead to a multipolar world that will put the petro dollar at risk.

    Printing off a trillion dollars here and there all of a sudden becomes that much more difficult.

    2) China has no reason to hold back now. They tolerated American interference in HK and Taiwan. What is to keep China from playing that same game? They could mobilize black people, Mexican gangs, antifa to divide America.

    3) America will not only lose control of China, they will lose control of Asia too. Anti China rhetoric in the west has already spilled over to general anti-Asian sentiment.

    If American consumers aren’t going to have the money to spend, Asia really doesn’t need America for anything.

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  29. Kim 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    人们普遍认为,比较是令人反感的。 毕竟,我们无法比较苹果和橙子,但出于政治或私人心理原因,人们仍然经常尝试比较。

    现在,中国和美国是非常不同的地方。 更明显的区别之一是,中国在种族上相对单一,是一个受到严格控制的专制一党制国家。

    相比之下,美国是一个由准开放边界和激烈竞争的政治文化组成的联邦国家,并被约 30 万的黑人人口和大约相同数量的非法移民人口所压垮。

    记住这一点:在中国,一个类似的人口(1.3 亿)会给你 100 亿黑鬼和 100 亿非法、低智商、未受过教育的傻瓜。 在中国,每 1 个人中就有 5 人是黑鬼或黑鬼,你会怎么看?

    Anway,在我们身后主要是这样的背景:

    1. 明年每个收入最低 50% 的中国人都将拥有自己的房子

    Utter bullshit. Even if you said “will have a home loan” it would still be utter bullshit.

    2. 明年每个收入最低 50% 的中国人都会有收入

    明显地。 在哪个维度不适用?

    3. 明年每个收入最低50%的中国人都将有充足的食物和衣服

    中共终于解决了大规模裸体问题! 的确,这是一个辉煌的70年!

    [更多]

    4. 明年,收入最低的 50% 的每个中国人都将接受比美国人更好的教育

    A stupendously tendentious statement*. How do you measure that? I hate to enter into this kind of ludicrous, values-laden discussion, but aren’t the world’s top universities mostly in the USA? Don’t China’s oligarchs send their princlings to the USA to get their educations?

    *撇开黑奴问题及其对学校教育的影响

    5. 明年,收入最低 50% 的每个中国人都将拥有安全的街道。

    中国没有黑人,也没有大规模移民。 中国会喜欢他们吗? 请联系我们当地的犹太人和共产党人以了解如何操作

    6. 明年,每个收入最低 50% 的中国人都将拥有医疗保险、养老金和养老服务。

    If you set the quality and price low enough, everyone can “have” everything.

    7. 明年,300,000,000亿城市中国人的净资产和可支配收入,购买力平价,将超过普通美国人。

    PPP is a concept of very limited usefulness. In fact, outside of its application to a very simple basket of consumer goods, it is worthless. For a start, it can only be applied to a basket of equivalent goods. Leaving aside Big Whoppers and flat screen tvs, a vast selection of goods that are available to citizens of the United States are simply not available to the Chinese people: a nice, free-standing house in a clean, green, uncrowded and unpolluted suburb; unpolluted drinking water and air; free speech (increasingly rare); travel without political permission; the right to live or work anywhere one wishes in one’s own country without a required permission or pass; religous freedom; the right to participate in politics without the fear of arrest (again, more rare nowadays); the hope that one can make something of oneself without having to become involved with politically corrupt CCP; freedom from ubiquitous everyday, small-scale corruption . And so on.

    8. 他们的孩子比美国孩子提前三年高中毕业。

    这到底是什么意思?

    9.活得更久,更健康

    Internationally, China ranks 54th in life expectancy and the USA 38th. As to “healthier”, how does one measure that? China has terrible figures for things like diabetes and lung cancer. It is a heavy smoker’s paradise. This is a worthless comment to make.

    10. 母亲和婴儿在分娩时死亡的可能性较小

    众所周知,数字是不可靠的。 例如,古巴是世界上婴儿死亡率最低的国家之一。 因为他们只是中止了潜在的困难怀孕。

    11. 美国吸毒者增多。

    你是对的。 请停止试图通过发送芬太尼和向墨西哥冰毒实验室提供化学品来摧毁美国。

    12、自杀。

    没有准确的数字。 请记住,中国是一个一党专制的国家。

    13. 处决

    我希望美国确实有更多的处决。 我会首先对毒贩判处死刑。 但除此之外,你一定是在开玩笑。 你的说法是否考虑到被关押在新疆再教育营的人? (人们只是在那里重新学习 ABC)或用于器官的囚犯死亡?

    14. 更多无家可归者

    这是不可能的,但你很可能是对的。 这是毒品问题的下游。 再次,中国应该停止鼓励美国的毒品问题。 停止芬太尼走私。

    15.更穷

    这是胡说八道。 中国农村太厉害了,世界第三穷。

    16.饿了

    美国唯一挨饿的人是精神病患者

    13. 美国被监禁的人比中国多。

    首先,中国本身就是一个巨大的监控国家监狱。 你的说法是否考虑到中国数百万政治犯? 比如那些被关押在新疆的人,法亮功,维吾尔人,藏人?

    其次,中国在其南部边境没有黑鬼,也没有失败的毒品国家(得到中国支持),也没有大规模非法移民(感谢犹太人和国际共产主义)

    谢谢您的关注。

    • 同意: Poco, Gleimhart Mantooso
  30. The similarities to the runup to WWII are getting discomforting …

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  31. @last straw

    Corporate socialism? You kidding me? Corporate Communism! The Yanks are communist, not socialist. Please show me where corporations share the product of labour fairly. Come on, show me. I am really getting peed off with the Zionist habit of equating socialism and capitalism. The “Jews of the world” never declared war on Adolph Hitler in 1936, they declared war on Germany, with the express purpose of “wiping the memory of National SOCIALISM from the human mind…” I paraphrase, of course.
    So, please, get with the program: Liberalism leading to communism leading to Zion’s One King anointed by their god, the one they refuse to name explicitly. Capitalism is merely one of the business plans to collect all assets under one account.
    Corporate socialism, indeed!
    Protocols, babies, Protocols of Ziooo-oon! Get to know them, it is the new law…

  32. Ship Track 说:

    China’s Xi Writes Thank-You Letter to Bill Gates for Virus Help

    China and India are both a part of this Rothschilds-Soros false virus flag psyop, as are Japan and South Korea. Of course the 5 eyes countries are in it up to their necks. EU too. Israel’s IT and high tech industries are deeply involved in the OBOR “security”. Europe would not be allowed to implement Huawei 5G if Mossad and group 8200 didn’t have ample back doors.

    As in any of the hundreds of Talmudic dialectic conflicts of the last few centuries, ultimately both sides are owned and controlled by the same small group of hebrews who will win no matter which tribe of goyim loses.

  33. Anonymous[273]• 免责声明 说:

    There is no anti-China crusade. China is responsible for what is considered the worst pandemic and economic disruption for 100 years, is widely suspected to have lied about and misrepresented it for their own ends and have got away with it, they’ve been let totally off the hook.

    China is now back to normal and selling other countries huge amounts of supplies for a virus that they are responsible for spreading, and other countries are still more than happy to deal with China. There is no anti-Chinese sentiment, considering the circumstances China is being treated with utmost respect and is incredibly lucky that people are not boycotting them.

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @Biff
    , @bluedog
    , @showmethereal
  34. Herald 说:
    @antibeast

    Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist.

    I hope that anti-Globalist Trump remembers what you have said and then he might soon start moving his unloved and unwanted troops out of Syria and Iraq, for starters. More importantly, will this anti-Globalist manage to steer the US clear of an apparently impending and likely disastrous war with Iran? This will be a really difficult task if he wants to keep his overarching Zionist credentials intact.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  35. Realist 说:

    Lots of very low volume commenters on this article…strange.

    • 回复: @Smith
    , @bluedog
  36. @antibeast

    IOW, like all our “elites” Trump wants to replace the historic nation, but turn a nice profit in the process.

    Yet, different as the route is, the destination remains the same: national self-destruction.

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  37. Biff 说:
    @Anonymous

    China is responsible for what is considered the worst pandemic and economic disruption for 100 years,

    Nobody know’s for sure where the virus originated from, and the window to find patient zero has been closed for a while, so give it up man – nobody’s gonna buy your flyer…

  38. @Kim

    Let’s take those in order:

    1. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home. Utter bullshit. Even if you said “will have a home loan” it would still be utter bullshit. Why? Because we cannot manage to feed and shelter our own people? Here are the figures from a (very British) corporation with zero interest in Communism:https://i.imgur.com/fArHjL7.jpg

    2. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have an income. Obviously. In what dimension does that not apply? What % of our bottom 50% has a steady income?

    3. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have plenty of food and clothes. What % of our bottom 50% has plenty of food and clothes? Have you walked the streets in San Francisco or LA lately?

    4. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have better education than Americans. A stupendously tendentious statement*. How do you measure that? I hate to enter into this kind of ludicrous, values-laden discussion, but aren’t the world’s top universities mostly in the USA? Don’t China’s oligarchs send their princlings to the USA to get their educations?https://i.imgur.com/djll25R.png

    5. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have safe streets. China does not have niggers or mass immigration. Would China like them? Please contact our local jews and communists to find out how to do it.

    [更多]

    6. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.If you set the quality and price low enough, everyone can “have” everything. 是的,但是这个:

    7. Next year 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income, PPP, than the average American. PPP is a concept of very limited usefulness. In fact, outside of its application to a very simple basket of consumer goods, it is worthless. For a start, it can only be applied to a basket of equivalent goods. Leaving aside Big Whoppers and flat screen tvs, a vast selection of goods that are available to citizens of the United States are simply not available to the Chinese people: a nice, free-standing house in a clean, green, uncrowded and unpolluted suburb; unpolluted drinking water and air; free speech (increasingly rare); travel without political permission; the right to live or work anywhere one wishes in one’s own country without a required permission or pass; religous freedom; the right to participate in politics without the fear of arrest (again, more rare nowadays); the hope that one can make something of oneself without having to become involved with politically corrupt CCP; freedom from ubiquitous everyday, small-scale corruption . And so on. Yeah, and they’ve got more money than us.

    8. Their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids. What does this even mean?American educator Wendy Kopp[1] observed, “A couple of decades ago, Shanghai’s school system was plagued by the same problems we’re facing. There were significant disparities between the achievement levels of native children and the children of migrant families and overall educational levels were low. Today, the best international measures show that Shanghai has the highest levels of educational excellence and equity in the world and their fifteen year olds are three grade levels ahead of kids in Massachusetts, our highest performing state.” [1] Wendy Kopp, founder of Teach for America, to graduates. May 1, 2014

    9. live longer, healthier lives Internationally, China ranks 54th in life expectancy and the USA 38th. As to “healthier”, how does one measure that? China has terrible figures for things like diabetes and lung cancer. It is a heavy smoker’s paradise. This is a worthless comment to make. Uh huh.

    10. Mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth Figures are notoriously unrelaible. For example, one of the lowest infant mortalities in the world is in Cuba. Because they simply abort potentially difficult pregancies. Like you’d know.

    11. More drug addicts in USA. You are right about this. Please stop trying to destroy america by sending fentanyl and providing Mexican meth labs with chemicals. The US, with five percent of the world’s population, consumes eighty percent of its opioids. Of 229 trafficking cases–in which 537kg of fentanyl-related substances were seized between last October and March–only seventeen seizures, weighing 6kg, originated in China. US fentanyl seizures show China is not the main supplier, Beijing drugs official says. The US Department of Justice says, “China has made great strides and the Department is encouraged by China’s recent class-wide controls of fentanyl-like substances.”
    Americans consume opioids because of bribery, weak regulation, poor enforcement, over-prescription, and endemic social despair. There’s not much China can do about that.

    12, Suicides. No accurate figures are available. Remember, China is a one-party, authoritarian state. Sure, sure. If China were authoritarian it would
    an autocratic state there would be

    • 对私人电话和电子邮件对话的无保证监视。
    • 特警队突袭房屋;
    • 数以千计的警察枪杀手无寸铁的公民
    • 以零容忍的名义严厉惩罚学童
    • 无休止的不受欢迎的战争
    • 秘密禁止 50,000 人飞行并拒绝解释
    • 在未经审判的情况下监禁 2,000,000 人
    • 每年在逮捕前处决 2,000 人。
    • 政府支出失控,对公民几乎没有好处
    • 全副武装的军事化警察;
    • 路边脱衣搜查;
    • 监禁公民和非公民的巡回边境扫荡
    • 私有化监狱,为监禁公民提供利润激励;
    • 收集和传播公民私人交易数据的融合中心
    • 拥有弹药库存的军事机构
    * confiscate all citizens’ wealth (https://youtu.be/dVUwb-yvdBg%5D

    中国政府很少做这些事情,它的警察手无寸铁,它的法律体系是高度信任的,它的政府政策很受欢迎。

    13. Executions I wish the USA did have more executions. I would begin by death sentences for drug dealers. But that aside, you must be must be joking. Does your asssertion take account of those incarcerated in the Xinjiang re-education camps? (Where people are just re-learning the ABC) or the deaths of prisoners used for their organs? Justice Department report estimates nearly 2,000 “arrest-related deaths” annually in US https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/19/poli-d19.html

    14. More homeless. This is impossible to say but you could well be right. This is downstream of the drug problem. Again, China should stop encouraging the US drug problem. Stop the fentanyl smuggling.

    15. More poor. This is bullshit. Rural China is incredibly, 3rd world level poor.

    16. Hungry. The only people in the USA who are hungry are mentally ill. You need to get out more.

    13. More imprisoned people in America than in China. First, China is itself a huge surveillance-state prison. Does your assertion take account of China millions of political prisoners? For example those imprisoned in Xinjiang, the Fa Leuhn Gong, the Uighurs, the Tibetans? Second, China does not have niggers nor a failed narco state (supported by China) on its southern border, nor mass illegal immigration. Riiiight.

  39. antibeast 说:
    @Mefobills

    National Socialist Germany or NSDAP economy had a lot of merit.

    I think the term “National Socialist” is a misnomer because “Socialism” implies State ownership of the means of production but what the NSDAP advocates is more of what I’d call “National Capitalism”. Now let’s take an objective look at the economic program of the NSDAP:

    The problems with today’s private banking system are clear. Bank presidents receive hundreds of thousands in pay for their supposed vastly important work; each member of the board of directors, which usually meet only once a year, often receives tens of thousands. The responsibility of bank presidents and boards of directors is shown by the fact that the state had to pay 1 1/2 billion marks for their foolish speculations and bad investments. Bank presidents do what they want, and the state pays the bills.

    We therefore demand that the banking system and the money and capital systems be nationalized, just as the railroad and postal systems were fifty years ago, when under Bismarck’s leadership the transportation of persons, goods, and communications were taken under state control.

    As a result of the state support since July 1931, through which the Reich covered 1 1/2 billion marks of foolish speculation on the part of the big banks with tax money, more than half of the German credit bank system is already in the hands of the Reich.

    As preparation for the nationalization of the banking system, we demand the right of the state to supervise and intervene, and a requirement that banks report to the state.

    The supervisory capacity must give the state the possibility of fully understanding everything that happens in the banking system, and the right to intervene must make it possible to introduce measures in the banking system that are in the interest of the economy. The reporting requirement will insure a monthly statement on all positions and important changes.

    Only these measures will make it possible to stop foolish investments. Only they will make it possible to reduce interest rates to the necessary degree and break the slavery of interest. And only these measures can create the foundation for financing the job creation program.

    Furthermore, the head of the Bank Office will have the authority to make the organizational changes he thinks necessary to prepare for and implement the nationalization of the banking system.

    Monopolies that are not dissolved must immediately come under direct state administration, i.e., be nationalized. A monopoly can be run just as well by the state as by private industry. State control, however, assures that the profits benefit the nation, not finance capital.

    Stock companies must be placed under state supervision, which will largely follow the model of bank control.

    Objection: Any state intervention is harmful.

    Response: State intervention, on the contrary, is necessary to protect the economy from the worst damage by the interests of finance capital. State intervention has gotten a bad reputation only because the Marxist parties always intervened in the wrong places. Although the state can administer monopolies much better than private industry, the Marxists gave them over to finance capital (the Dawes and Young Plans gave away the former German Railroad, the match monopoly was given to the big capitalist swindler Kreuger by the Social Democratic Minister of Finance Hilferding), whereas countless unnecessary government concerns were maintained that only competed with craftsmen and manufacturers, producing goods much more expensive and of lower quality than those of private industry.

    The NSDAP economic program advocates for the State control but not ownership of the means of production with the exception of some industrial sectors such as transportation, telecommunications, banking, etc. which are natural monopolies.

    The Chinese system is a form of National Socialism. I have argued here at Unz review, China is actually running the American System of Economy of Henry Carey (and the founders).

    That’s where I disagree with you because the Chinese system is highly internationalist unlike the pre-war USA system which was highly nationalist characterized by high tariffs, protected industries, domestic production, closed markets, etc. China is very open today to foreign capital but they’re subject to control by the State. Same with the Chinese market which is open to all kinds of foreign brands, made locally or imported from abroad.

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  40. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Kim

    Forget these guys. They are not going to help you. They can’t! Only you can help yourself and you can do that only if you focus on your own personal situation and face reality.

    Okay Kim, I am listening intently. Let’s pretend that you are giving solicited advice to someone who’s in his early 20s, expects to live for say another 60(ish) years, and is wondering how he can “focus on his/her personal situation and face reality” – paraphrasing your words.

    So, exactly what are the steps someone takes to live a relatively secure and prosperous life?

    Give some concrete, specific advice.

    • 回复: @Kim
  41. antibeast 说:
    @Herald

    I hope that anti-Globalist Trump remembers what you have said and then he might soon start moving his unloved and unwanted troops out of Syria and Iraq, for starters. More importantly, will this anti-Globalist manage to steer the US clear of an apparently impending and likely disastrous war with Iran? This will be a really difficult task if he wants to keep his overarching Zionist credentials intact.

    That’s the Zionist wet dream which is not what the Globalists want. What the 深刻的状态 fear the most is Trump withdrawing the USA from NATO because that would mean USEXIT which implies the end of the US Empire.

    By the way, lots of people confuse those two ideologies: Zionism and Globalism. Kushner is a Zionist but not necessarily a Globalist while Bill Gates is definitely a Globalist but not a Zionist. So Trump may be pro-Zionist (can’t be sure with such an amoral character) but he’s definitely anti-Globalist.

  42. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @nokangaroos

    The similarities to the runup to WWII are getting discomforting …

    Oh yes indeed, we are getting to a very nasty time both domestically and globally.

    This time though, seems to me that we have the American “alliance” (including all “Anglo” nations, plus Israel, Saudi Arabia and sundry puppets in Latin America) as the expansionist aggressors.

    We should remember, the World War II-era aggressors lost and were crushed utterly.

    We’re not learning the right lessons from Germany (the economic ones), instead we want to do everything they did wrong in diplomacy and war.

    We’re flooring the gas – straight to the abyss

  43. Last year, the US-India Strategic and Partnership Forum announced that 200 American manufacturers were interested in moving their supply chains from China to India, not America.

    Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I think I trust the Indians even less than the Chinese.

  44. @antibeast

    The US banking bailouts are more like “crony capitalism” because the US government did not have any ownership stake in the TBTF banks.

    Actually, it’s even worse than that. It turns out that the Big Banks have an ownership stake in that part of the US government known as 美联储. In fact, the Fed is 100% owned–every last share–by its own ‘member banks’ (i.e., Wall Street).

    If Obama had nationalized those TBTF banks in exchange for the TARP bailouts, then the US would have something akin to China’s system. But, alas, the Obama Administration ended up socializing those public debts for US citizens while privatizing the profit gains for his Wall Street benefactors. History is now repeating itself under the Trump Administration with \$2T of bailout funds going to Wall Street banks.

    As the Italian economist Gaetano Salvemini used to say: privatized profits, socialized losses.

    • 同意: Mefobills
    • 回复: @antibeast
  45. @Kim

    +1. It’s gotten embarrassing how many commentators here are nut-huggers of the CCP’s capitalists. I know Roberts is a paid shill, what are the excuses of the rest? Pretty sad. They apparently can’t (rightly) oppose the US imperium without kowtowing to China.

    In fact, the globalists love the Chinese SYSTEM: state capitalism masquerading as socialism, creepy privatized surveillance (“social credit”) that makes Facebook look like Jeffersonian vigilance, and enforced population control (infanticide that mainly applies to females, and the Western feminists cheer it on). What they don’t like is the Chinese NATION; to their credit, the north Asian countries maintain their sense of national/ethnic identity, and this is what globalists/liberals despise. In that sense China deserves some support, but anyone who admires their system is a fool (at best).

    • 同意: Iva, Thomasina
    • 回复: @obwandiyag
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  46. Can only add to the superlatives. This is a 高超 article. Unz found a gem with this guy.

  47. @gotmituns

    Sounds great. Except for the minor fact that the vast majority of the population would starve to death under such a system.

  48. Smith 说:

    Eric Striker remains one of the rare nationalist voices in America.

    As much as I’m anti-China, if the USA just ships the outsourcing to India, it wouldn’t fix anything, it would just remake the globalist supply chain without China.

    The stuff going on with Steve Bannon is disgusting though.

  49. @brabantian

    Exactly. Corona is not being weaponized by US against China, or vice versa, but rather by both governments against their own people.

  50. @Tor597

    1) America can only really exist in a unipolar world.

    CORRECTION: America–the country–can exist just fine in a multi-polar world; it’s (((the globalists))) who can’t.

    • 同意: Meimou
  51. The worst part of all this is that if China, quite rightfully, jailed Soros for financial crimes, the U.S. would start an earth destroying war to save him in spite of what he’s done to America.

  52. Iva 说:

    “freeing the Chinese people”.????????…..CFR and other globalists/zionists/kommunists did everything in their power to stop american general to fight communists and place communists in power. Now they pretend that they want to “free” Chinese .

  53. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Yup. In fact, importing a new upper-class is in some ways even 更坏 than importing a new lower-class. The smart immigrants are far, far more dangerous to us than the Mexicans are.

    If anyone here still doubts what I’m saying, just ask yourself one question: wouldn’t America have been better off if we’d kept all the Jews out?

    • 同意: Kolya Krassotkin
  54. NPleeze 说:
    @Kim

    更明显的区别之一是,中国在种族上相对单一,是一个受到严格控制的专制一党制国家。

    大声笑,美国是一个控制更严格、专制的一党制国家——唯一的区别是美国给它的政党两个名字,民主党和共和党,只是为了愚弄白痴——当然,其中包括很大一部分美国人。

    美国是联邦化国家的拼凑而成,拥有准开放的边界和积极的 竞争性政治文化

    哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈! 我想民主党和共和党之间存在一些竞争,即谁更腐败,谁是西方继承的寡头独裁统治的最大黑眼圈。 但从好的方面来说,中国的独裁统治不是继承而来的,甚至比失败的西方更像是独裁统治。

    低智商,没受过教育的小伙子

    每一个都比你这种低智商、浮夸、没教养、邪恶的乡巴佬要好。

    • 回复: @Kim
  55. GeeBee 说:
    @Mefobills

    Absolutely spot on Sir! I had a comment of mine blocked (I think – although it’s most unusual on Unz review) saying much the same thing on the tragic article dealing with the murder of that seven-year-old girl by a Somalian immigrant a few days ago. Don’t know how I can check if it was actually blocked. I might re-post it here and see ehat happens.

    • 回复: @anon
  56. antibeast 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Actually, it’s even worse than that. It turns out that the Big Banks have an ownership stake in that part of the US government known as the Fed. In fact, the Fed is 100% owned–every last share–by its own ‘member banks’ (i.e., Wall Street).

    Sorry, you’re wrong. The US Federal Reserve System is not an agency of the US Federal Government. It’s a private Central Bank owned by its member banks, mostly in Wall Street. But its biggest stockholders are the British Capitalists in the City of London.

    I will give you a hint of who (((they))) are: their surnames start with the letter “R”.

  57. They are all in cahoots with one another, including the CCP. With a few exceptions the international bankers own the institutions formerly nation state. The rest is crony theater for the marginalized 99%. The China drumbeats are just a fundraiser for the deep state. Your dreams of national socialism is music to the bankers’ ears. They’ll finance you just like they did Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Wilson, and so. Going debt free is the only solution, and that’s a dream at this point.

    • 同意: Agent76
    • 回复: @Agent76
  58. Let a nuclear war between the Hindoos and the Chinks be the end of the two wannabes … we can watch the fireworks from the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and a sarsaparilla.

  59. Agent76 说:

    4年2019月XNUMX日,科赫和索罗斯联手争取世界和平! WTF?

    如果您还没有听说过,乔治·索罗斯(George Soros)的开放社会基金会(Open Society Foundation)和查尔斯·科赫基金会(Charles Koch Foundation)联手帮助建立了一个新的华盛顿智囊团。

    29 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日 David Icke 揭露了一个你不敢顶他名字的人!

    Nov 15, 2016 George Soros Interview Where He Admitted He Was A Nazi Collaborator

    George Soros these days wants very much to hide his real roots from people as he goes about spending millions on fomenting race riots.

  60. Agent76 说:
    @Old and Grumpy

    This is verification of your post!

    13年2016月XNUMX日,哪些公司控制着世界?

    数量惊人的公司控制着巨大的全球市场份额。 您使用以下几个品牌?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44864.htm

    “控制石油,就可以控制国家。 控制食物,控制人民。” 亨利·基辛格

  61. Kim 说:
    @Anonymous

    Wrote a long reply. Lost it. Here is my answer in fewer words.

    Few 20 year olds will have secure and prosperous lives. Few will live to 80.

    Advice depends on circumstances and goals. Big question is if mr 20 wants kids and posterity. If he does, then he should know that at some point he has to be able to take his family out of the city and feed and protect them.

    If he cares not for posterity, he can make different choices. Maybe he should just shrug, make money today and live for pleasure.

    For guidance, look at Venezuela, imagine it without international support and that it is an ever-worsening situation. That is a very mild example of the future. We are having one step down to that at this very moment. More such steps will follow.

    Best job or career? Gangster? Colonel of National Guard? Farmer in the mountains?

  62. Kim 说:
    @NPleeze

    You might like to check my other long comment in this thread and you’ll see that your reply is very misguided.

  63. @Been_there_done_that

    Notice how this troll disguises himself as grandma to get closer to deliver his message: which is to throw the mark off the trail of where this really started: Fort Detrick Maryland. And notice how Fauci did nothing until the cover could be firmly established for the big lie.Like virus getting inside a cell. A protein coating to hide the poison inside.

  64. Smith 说:
    @Realist

    It’s hard to disagree with what said in this article.

    • 同意: Realist
  65. Anon[421]• 免责声明 说:

    Shiva Ayyadurai 博士,麻省理工学院博士。(电子邮件的发明者):

    “America is going to become an indentured servant of very wealthy elites in China who are connected with the Chinese Communist Party.”

    • 回复: @naill
    , @Ber
  66. Z-man 说:

    Evidence suggesting this is Bannon’s role as the co-chair of the “Republican-Hindu Coalition,” an advocacy group close to the Modi government.

    Philo-Zionists and Hindus have something in common, their hatred for Muslims.
    I read somewhere that the Indian 小组 continent has the greatest concentration of airborne fecal matter anywhere in the world. Talk about plague…(wry grin), and fat heads like Bannon want India to make our Tylenol. ROFL

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
  67. India’s Modi is eager to turn India into a full-blown satellite of the United States. The mass privatization of the country after the fall of the Soviet Union has not significantly bettered the average Indians life and his nation is unstable and dysfunctional. The Belt and Road Initiative threatens to spread the Chinese Corporatist development model all around nations Indian oligarchs see as being rivals or subjects: Pakistan, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, etc.

    This is being done for a good reason, China’s main weakness is the fact that it is highly dependent on oil and that this oil passes through the Malacca Strait, which can be easily blockaded by Indian forces. To get around this, China is building a ‘String of Pearls’ to encircle India as well as building a pipeline through the Xianjing region and Pakistan to circumvent India all together.

    The nations you talk of like Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal etc are fairly poor countries that can easily be entrapped in debt. I do not think China will actually lift them out of poverty using its own developmental model as this would not be in China’s interests, like many Third World nations, the politicians of these countries are extremely corrupt and are likely just selling out their country.

    The Crown Jewel of China in South Asia will definitely be International Port City Gwadar.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/163721-chinese-company-to-invest-500m-in-gawadar-to-build-homes

    [更多]

    LONDON: A leading Chinese investment company announced to invest \$500 million in Gwadar in the first phase of a project aimed at building homes for around 500,000 incoming Chinese professionals expected in Gwadar by 2023.

    [...]

    Zeeshan Shah gave the example of a Chinese city Shenzhen which was a poor village in 1979 but it was developed on the Gwadar model.

    He said the population of this town is now over 30 million, its annual growth stands at \$250 million.

    China is doing the same in Gwadar, its population will be going up by half a million in next six years, he remarked, adding “Gwadar offers tremendous opportunities. Once completed, it will become the most important port city in the World from both an economic and geopolitical perspective.”

    The person in the article mentions Shenzhen, but ask yourself, did Shenzhen become what it was because of geography and good ideas of a few people or did it become what it was because of th demography, i.e. human capital?

    Here is the website for the planned city.

    http://ipcgwadar.com/international-port-city-gwadar/

    这是一些照片

    Of course the key point here is that China will not just be exporting its jobs to Pakistan, but also its *labour*. This is where the West really messed up, China knows it is not enough to export good, but it also has to export people. The article says 500,000 Chinese will be moving to this city on the Pakistani coast, for comparison, in the 1921 census of British India, there were only around 176,000 Europeans. We can already see what will befall these people from this incident in Pakistan between locals and Chinese workers

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1399531

    This sort of Chinese ethnostate would not be unprecedented, there is already one closer to completion in Malaysia, in a location just across the city-state of Singapore

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-is-outsourcing-its-cities-on-man-made-islands-in-malaysia

    Of course all is not fine and dandy with BRI, they have faced soem setbacks in Malaysia

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/malaysia-cancels-two-massive-chinese-projects-fearing-they-will-bankrupt-the-country/2018/08/21/2bd150e0-a515-11e8-b76b-d513a40042f6_story.html

    in Africa…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/27/tanzania-suspends-10-billion-port-project-new-blow-chinas-belt/

    and now the Sri Lankans seem to be getting cold feet about leasing our their port to the Chinese for 99 years

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3040982/sri-lanka-wants-its-debt-trap-hambantota-port-back-will-china

    Chinese are known as the Jews of the East for a reason. Striker lets his anti-Jew Capitalist feelings get the better of him and assume that everyone who is not a Jew or allied with Jews is somehow good and pure and has no bad intentions.

    Also, the Jewish subverters in the US establishment forced American aerospace companies to enter a joint venture with Israel in developing the IAI Lavi fighter jet. Of course the Jews in Israel just sold this tech to the Chinese who made it into the J-10 which is the PLAAF’s current multirole fighter.

    Stolen Jewish jet:

    given to the Chinese:

    • 回复: @denk
  68. Ondra Hada 说:
    @Mefobills

    In another thread username Kim was talking about how the Small Business loan portion of the Stimulus is basically the Banks borrowing from the FED at 0-1% interest rate and loaning it out at 5.25%. My question for you is, isn’t that what the Banks are always doing? Using low interest inflationary FED bucks to cover withdrawals? ( yes I know that’s not a proper sentence. )

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  69. AnonFromTN 说:

    I am not a specialist in finance. But here is my common sense take: if scum like Soros is against China, every decent person must be for China. It’s that simple.

  70. PeterMX 说:

    I find it hard to believe that Peter Thiel is interested in advancing Zionist interests. He appears to have close contacts with Jews and maybe has Jewish friends and that can affect people’s politics but having these close contacts, including hiring Jews for his firm, I think is due to the fact that Jews now have a prominent place in Silicon Valley. Thiel was the only prominent person from Silicon Valley that supported Trump when he began his run for president and Thiel came out in favor of Trump when Trump was voicing his concerns about the US trade deficit, its endless wars, illegal immigration and saying many other things Zionists did not like. The fact Trump was unable to succeed in what he wanted to do and now appears to be a prominent Zionist himself is not the fault of Thiel. In the few interviews I have seen Thiel in, the interviewer has usually been Jewish but I don’t think he is consciously seeking close contacts with Zionists. The arch Zionist and war monger Bill Kristol interviewed Thiel but I think Kristol sought that interview.

    I have never heard Thiel express concern for Israel nor his native Germany (which he, nor any prominent German would never do, only Jews and others can show loyalty to their people) but I did see Thiel in an interview in which the philosopher Carl Schmidt was mentioned, a German from the first half of the 20th century who I believe is considered politically incorrect (he was a loyal German) and it appeared Thiel had a not unfavorable interest in his writings – a little surprising to me if I understood things correctly. To further clarify things, like Trump (whose grandparents on his father’s side were both German immigrants, and obviously spoke German themselves), Thiel, as is typical among most German immigrants to the US has never expressed any interest in advancing Germany’s interests. If anything, Trump is anti-German, but I think it is more that like many or most Europeans, when they move to the US, that is the country they are concerned about and loyal to, except when that immigrant is Jewish. Only Jews have Adelsons and many others so openly advocating on their own behalf and the behalf of a foreign country (Israel) and only Jews can do this without it raising questions as to what country are they are loyal to. Like Adelson, the other megadonor to presidential politics is Jewish and is actually an Israeli citizen and outspoken Zionist who said Israel is his “only” concern, but Haim Saban doesn’t raise any eyebrows with statements like that and no one says Israel is colluding with presidential candidates to affect the election and US foreign policy, which is exactly what they are doing, instead the Jewish media says Russians and President Putin are working to take over America and its politics.

  71. phil 说:

    A lot of commentators seems to think that this is a great article. It isn’t. Striker suggests that a national command economy and protectionism is preferable to free and open markets. He says that a large trade deficit is a disaster.

    Economists general support free and open markets for good reasons. They contribute to faster economic growth. If one puts the degree of capitalism on a scale from 0 to 10, a closed national economy with a rating of just 2 or 3, as China had before 1979, is especially harmful. China’s average living standards were comparable to Nigeria, Kenya, and Mozambique. Now China is at 6.4. It is well understood among analysts that the country is very corrupt and dictatorial, but the fact that there are not regular investigative reports coming out of the country helps to contribute to a perception among gullible people outside of China that everything runs smoothly.

    Average living standards are still below Mexico’s. However, the China has been growing fast, mainly because of high average IQ and an ability to quickly adopt technologies developed by other countries, especially the US. Venezuela now has a degree of capitalism that is below 3, and its average IQ is less than 90. Disaster.

    A large trade deficit did not prevent the US unemployment rate from falling to 3.5 percent. Service jobs replaced a lot of manufacturing jobs. Wages have been suppressed to some extent by mass immigration, but average living standards in the US are the highest in the history of the world for any country of at least 10 million people. Yes, there has been increased corruption in Washington as the US Constitution was re-interpreted to allow more and more centralized control, which means that it is in the self-interest of businesses to try to influence the controlling mechanism.

    The political problem is overly-centralized control and an undermining of the Rule of Law.

  72. Yee 说:

    ‘’America is going to become an indentured servant of very wealthy elites in China ‘’

    How? Are the “very wealthy elites of China” opening sweatshops in America?

    Americans are cowards. They dare not hate their own elites who financalized the economy, they’d only take order from their owners to hate China.

  73. India is key here. This is probably where Organized Jewry will set up shop after they jettison (or are jettisoned by) their American host. It’s been pointed out here before: no one is more butt-hurt over China’s rise than the Indian Deep State.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  74. 30.Kim 说:

    “明年,每个收入最低 50% 的中国人都将拥有自己的房子。 胡说八道。 即使你说“将有房贷”,那也是彻头彻尾的胡说八道。”

    如果试图说服别人,最好有真实的事实。 现在大约 90% 的中国人拥有自己的房子。 当然,它们并不都是豪宅,但这不是重点。 他们不是租房者。 此外,尽管花旗银行尽最大努力将债务作为一种生活方式来推广,但中国只有一小部分房屋有抵押贷款。 需要钱买房的中国人通常会从大家庭(祖父母、父母、叔叔、堂兄弟)中无债地借款。 . .

    中国中央政府去年在西藏又新建了约75,000万套新房,免费赠送给当地居民,以消除贫困,提高生活水平,让人们融入真正的社区。 政府(不是“共产党”)在所有最贫困地区定期这样做,大多数中国国有企业建造新公寓和别墅社区,并基本上按成本出售,作为对国家和人民的贡献。 他们还建造和支付新学校的运营成本。

    等等。

    美国对中国的无知真是骇人听闻。

    请大家忘记“解放”中国人。 在所有重要的事情上,他们比美国人民更自由。 随心所欲地尖叫。 这是事实。 而且他们更安全,通常也更快乐。

    与唐纳德特朗普不同的是,中国总统不会通过张开嘴听出来的东西来发现他的想法。

    *
    对前锋先生来说,中国的制度是人民社会主义。 企业社会主义是法西斯主义,这就是美国。 同一枚硬币的两面。 就保姆国家而言,中国照顾人民,而美国照顾高盛和沃尔玛。

    有没有人记得动画片“身份的巫师”? 在一排里,农民们在向国王抱怨:“我以为你向贫困宣战了?” 国王:“我做到了”。 农民:“那我们为什么还穷?” 国王:“因为你输了。”

    欢迎来到美国,这是一个道德优越、没有被洗脑、没有受过教育的国家毁灭者的土地。 但是见鬼,我知道什么?

    • 同意: Denis
  75. melpol 说:

    Expect a famine in China as over a billion go hungry. Those that control the food supply will become wealthy. Small grocery shops will have the food and control local political power. Needed bowls of rice with a few scraps of pork will sell for a days labor. The smart and talented will rise above the pack and be well fed.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  76. @AnonFromTN

    Soros is a Jew and a finance oligarch. He just wants to colonize China so Jewish oligarchs can take over key industries. Read Super Imperialism by Michael Hudson and replace the words “finance capitalists” with Jewish oligarchs and you will understand why China is demonized.

  77. @Anonymous

    The USA only became multi racial around 50 years ago. History is not over and you have to go back.

  78. Yee 说:

    “China’s main weakness is the fact that it is highly dependent on oil and that this oil passes through the Malacca Strait, which can be easily blockaded by Indian forces.”

    Who the hell care about Indian forces? Malacca can be blocked by US force in Singapore base.

    Indians are useless militarily. However, they have a very good chance to take over America and manage Americans. Managing other people is what Indians good at. Enjoy it.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  79. Anonymous[410]• 免责声明 说:
    @Z-man

    High caste Hindus and Sikhs are very much like Jews in their mentality, and appeal to the same sort of whites who look up to and pander to Jews.

    In my experience the sort of native British people who have a positive opinion of Jews normally have a positive opinion of Indians too, and usually despise Muslims.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  80. The author appears to be saying that to compete better with China America needs more state control of industry.

    Rather, what America needs is competitive free market capitalism.

    That would mean busting up the monopolists, such as microsoft, Google, and Boeing, letting mismanaged giants such as Chrysler and General Motors go bust when they run into trouble, while introducing tariff walls to allow swarms of new businesses, particularly manufacturing businesses, to compete furiously with one another for an American market vacated by vendors of the products of Asian sweat shops.

    That way, Americans would regain the skills, engineering know-how, the respect for serious technical education, and the competitive edge they have lost during the era of globalization.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  81. FvS 说:

    What We Should Do:

    1.) Enact nationalist trade policy.

    2.) Increase defenses against Chinese hacking attacks.

    3.) Ban Chinese nationals from U.S. universities.

    4.) Ban Chinese investment in U.S. real estate.

    5.) Ban Chinese immigration to the U.S.

    6.) Ban Chinese lobbying in the U.S.

    7.) Criticize unregulated Chinese wet markets and black market exotic animal trade.

    What We Shouldn’t Do:

    1.) Just shift manufacturing from China to other countries instead of back to the U.S.

    2.) Foment color revolutions in China.

    3.) Antagonize China by sailing U.S. warships in the South China Sea.

    4.) Try to spread liberalism in China.

    Also, how independent of Jewish International Finance is China really? Jews played a role in the formation of the CCP, but I don’t know how much influence they still have. And even Netanyahu has been at odds with Soros. Does that mean that Jewish International Finance is on an anti-Israel crusade?

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  82. Mefobills 说:
    @antibeast

    That’s where I disagree with you because the Chinese system is highly internationalist unlike the pre-war USA system which was highly nationalist characterized by high tariffs, protected industries, domestic production, closed markets, etc. China is very open today to foreign capital but they’re subject to control by the State. Same with the Chinese market which is open to all kinds of foreign brands, made locally or imported from abroad.

    There are degrees of differences of course. These small degrees of differences do not change the category. Below are three categories that define today’s types of economies.

    1) American System: High External Tariffs/Low Internal Tariffs/Public Spending/State Money

    Kaiser Imperial Germany: Ditto
    NSDAP: Ditto
    Fascism: Ditto
    China: Ditto

    2) International Capital:

    Finance Capitalism: Low external tariffs, high internal friction for rake offs, private spending, private money.

    Bolshevism:
    同上

    3) Communism is a third category, but still a pyramid system similar to “International Capital.”

    __________
    The U.S. during the American System period (1865-1912) also accepted foreign capital and foreign inputs – did it not? It would be foolish to completely wall off from the world. High tariffs are to allow your own industry to develop. China uses protection schemes instead of tariffs, 但效果是一样的。

    Autarky is good up to a reasonable extent. Something like what Russia is forced to do now, where Russia makes all essential goods for itself and buys what it cannot make from others. Is Russia having trouble finding masks or ventilators?

    International finance DOES NOT WANT to lose control of private money power to state credit. International finance makes its gains on international transactions. Money is power, and the ability to control its creation, and channeling redounds to the benefit of a few. What is the quality of the people who the money power redounds too?

    The Crimean war was a early example of the “international” funding a bloody war to make illicit gains.

    Buy up everything when there is blood in the streets. It is even better – even God like – if you can maneuver events from behind the scenes to create situations to then make gains (Soros anybody?).

    • 回复: @antibeast
  83. @Reg Cæsar

    Asset inflation is Keynesian answer to irrational exuberance in the face of increasing debt-to-gdp and bureaucratic complacency. Instead of Dialing for Dollars we now have Printing for Dollars by the central bank.

    Nixon was a crook and crooks are never prescient. Nixon was just greedy for petrodollar supremacy and control of the energy oligopoly via petrodollar hegemon status.

    Asset inflation borne out of successive Greenspan Puts that prevented mean reversion system wide only forestalled the inevitable. Nixon was not prescient whatsoever given that he claimed the petrodollar system was temporary as he launched the bait & switch for US hegemony.

    Nixon ushered in the tin pot dictator third world republic of the United States of America.

    Trump is the dictator and the USA owes foreign creditors \$24 trillion that it can never pay back.

    If anyone thinks that the imprimatur of the USA & trust in God will honour those unserviceable debts they are mistaken.

    Neither imprimatur of state or God can redeem the fraud which is USD.

    RW

    • 回复: @gotmituns
  84. @AnonFromTN

    A and B both are bad but because I don’t like A so I must be for B … what kind of logic is it?

    This is not a situation where the enemy of my enemy is a friend because this supposed ally will do you in just as fast as it can after it has dealt coup de grâce to its first enemy.

    买者自负!

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  85. @Beefcake the Mighty

    The people who are most butthurt about Chinese rise are Anglos, the Indians literally do not care as they have their spat with the pakis, the only enmity they feel towards the Chinese is because of the fact that the Chinese support Pakistan, as a sort of counterbalance to India which itself is being used by America to try and contain China.

    Anglos are butthurt because they have historically been at the top of the world, now that era is going away as the Chinese century begins.

  86. Mefobills 说:
    @Ondra Hada

    My question for you is, isn’t that what the Banks are always doing? Using low interest inflationary FED bucks to cover withdrawals?

    The private banking system brought the FED into existence as a money trust, starting in 1912 with a rigged election.

    The private banking system has instability built in, and they wanted to socialize their losses and privatize their gains.

    All private central banks are the lender of last resort to the private banking system. So, central banks are the tail of the dog, not the dog. The private system is the dog. TBTF (too big to fail banks), and in the U.S., the Federal Reserve Bank of New York could be considered the head.

    New York Fed is there so that money from banking system could be swept into the stock market, to then make illicit gains as a rake off on the public.

    Private banks do not use the FED to cover withdraws, but instead private banks use the FED to cover their behinds when they get into trouble with their bets by socializing their losses (passing the costs onto you). The 16’th amendment was part of the money trust, to then tax you to bail out private finance and the corporations they own.

    • 回复: @Ondra Hada
    , @MrFoSquare
  87. @Yee

    Chinese have only managed to win a war against Third World India back in 1962. Otherwise China has a history of humiliation at the hands of various European powers and Japan, the latter of which would have colonised all of China if it were not for the Jews starting WW2.

    Chinese military is totally dependent on Russian expertise.

    Chinese are still coming to the West en masse to learn the White Man’s ways, if we were to impose a sanction on ethnic Chinese, China would fail to innovate in anything as all their achievements have been built upon European genius, Chinese have invented almost nothing.

    I don’t get why we just don’t annihilate China and other Third World countries and take over, you people are utterly useless and just serve to annoy White countries and retard their progress. White inventors are not seeing a return on their inventions as our Jew politicians just send it all off to China and the chinks take all the profits.

    Turner Diaries needs to happen soon.

    • 巨魔: showmethereal
  88. Learner 说:

    很棒的文章,谢谢。

    • 同意: Mefobills
  89. Anon[189]• 免责声明 说:

    Soros is 89. I think China will outlast him.

  90. Anglos are butthurt because they have historically been at the top of the world, now that era is going away as the Chinese century begins.

    You think that the Chinese dictatorship, which is already as old as the Soviet system, will last another 100 years?

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
    , @d dan
  91. Excellent –and timely– piece.

    I had noticed Bannon’s devolution into blatant and obvious hucksterism — mobilizing the plebes against adversaries of the globalist plutocrats. He was a GS guy after all, muppet-handler extraordinaire might be his nick, fits the pastiche he wears.

    Tragically, there is no intellectual framework — thinktanks etc. — devoted to the national interest in America, just variations on the pretense, in actuality serving the plutocrats; a subset of some of whom, by the way, subscribe to their own bs, i.e. some of them do think of themselves as ‘patriotic’, serving a tradition.
    They will point to Chomsky’s mostly valid assertion that America has always been run by a few plutocrats as evidence of a continuity of sacred tradition. A lot of these people are died-in-the-wool Calvinists, or have that eschatalogical imprint. They just think the universe chose them to rule, and that’s that. Counter-examples will arrive too late for their education, but their descendents may grok a bit of it, in years to come.

  92. @CanSpeccy

    Why wouldn’t it? There seems to be no internal instability and unless their economic growth comes to a standstill, then it will last a very long time.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  93. Anonymous[444]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Are you talking about kees van der pijl’s analysis.

    the article I sent you is behind a time/paywall it will be available in full online on april 20th. the last sentence of the interrupted article is

    For at least a generation, the notion we live in the era of the transition from capitalism to socialism went down with the lowering of the hammer and sickle flag on the Kremlin in 1991.

    this is not the conclusion of Kees Van Der Pijl’s analysis.

    Hope to read your thoughts once the article becomes available to you. it is also interesting that the remarks that sparked the article were spoken at Shaanxi Normal University, Xi’an, and China University of Politics and Law, Beijing.

  94. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Really No Shit

    I am no fan of Chinese leadership or China’s practices. However, the destabilization and destruction wrought by globohomos, including the Empire and its financial elites, exceeds any harm done by China by at least an order of magnitude. China and Russia act sensibly while pursuing their interests, whereas the Empire became the bane of humanity. It’s like a choice between plague (imperial elites and their vassals) and flu (China). It’s a no-brainer. You don’t need to be a fan of China or have any illusions to make this choice.

    • 同意: Sam J.
    • 回复: @Really No Shit
  95. antibeast 说:
    @melpol

    Expect a famine in China as over a billion go hungry. Those that control the food supply will become wealthy. Small grocery shops will have the food and control local political power. Needed bowls of rice with a few scraps of pork will sell for a days labor. The smart and talented will rise above the pack and be well fed.

    Do you know what causes famine? It’s not lack of food but lack of 访问 to food. That’s why famines are almost always localized to regions which don’t have 访问 食物。

  96. Ondra Hada 说:
    @Mefobills

    Thanks. I have a follow up question. How do the Private Banks get away with creating so much credit via loans? I believe I’m not mistaken in saying that most of our Money Supply originates from Private Banks issuing loans. Is it just that they have huge Reserves or that Withdrawals are always a very small % of whats on their ledgers, or both? If the Too-Big-To-Fail Banks are responsible for most of the Money in our economy like the Bank of England admits, then how do they not run into problems providing the money?

    • 回复: @Mefobills
    , @KA
  97. @Just Passing Through

    The Anglos are so butt-hurt that they literally created China’s current debt-predator system, in exchange for the capitalists of the CCP pimping out their captive population as cheap labor for the Anglo oligarchs. Yes, I can perfectly well see what they’d be upset about. (Granted, they might be peeved, like Dr Frankenstein, that the monster decided to freelance, but that’s a different story.)

  98. Mefobills 说:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    企业社会主义是法西斯主义,这就是美国。

    法团主义就是美国。 金融公司是股份制银行。 谁是股票所有者,尤其是高层?

    当墨索里尼上台时,他做的第一件事就是在 1926 年将银行国有化。

    The Italian stock market was being “swung” with absentee stock voting. Bank insiders had been given absentee rights to vote stocks, and they were colluding to swing the stock market, and then rake-off profits to themselves.

    The Fascists were voted into power to then control the excesses of “finance capitalism.” The Itailian people were over the corporations in Fascism. Fascism, NSDAP Germany, and even Communism was a response to finance capital trying to take over the world.

    The symbol for fascism is a bunch of sticks bound together to make the whole of the country stronger, as if the sticks are stronger together as a unit, than individually. Fascism was a threat to the “international” in the same way as was NSDAP Germany, as was Imperial Japan, as was Tsar Russia.

    如果你能回到过去,问意大利人他们喜欢法西斯主义,你认为答案是什么?

  99. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Anon

    索罗斯 89 岁。

    He does look like he died a few weeks ago, but no such luck. Besides, there is more scum like him in the financial elites.

  100. Over at Breitbart they’re now claiming that Chinese are incinerating people still live at crematoria.

    I am no fan of the PRC, but the smear job by the usual suspects is going over the top.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  101. Anon[279]• 免责声明 说:

    I have no love for Jews, Muslims or Chindians, they all need to GTFO of the West. The best scenario would be for a complete decoupling from China, with manufacturing returning to the US(not to other Asian countries). This pandemic gives us an opportunity to rise up and take back the country from the globalists, who are most responsible for spreading this virus everywhere, with the following actions:

    1) A new EO ordering all “essential manufacturing” to return to US soil, from medicine to medical equipment, all high tech manufacturing incl. chips, iPhones, computers, all defense equipment incl. parts and supplies. Give them 1 year to bring it all back, with tax breaks for associated cost for the move.

    2) Reinstate the “Buy American Act” dismantled by Clinton to require all federal government purchases to be made in USA, and all government employees incl. contractors must be US citizens.

    3) Using an EO, instate an immigration moratorium for the next 5 years in light of anticipated job losses. No more work/investor visas or refugees. Send all existing ones packing.

    4) Ban all Chinese nationals from entering the US to study/work/visit/immigrate, send all currently in US packing, until they pay all compensatory damages for Covid-19, i.e. the \$2B stimulus. Start by nullifying the \$1.1Trillion in US treasuries that they hold.

    5) Impose a 90% tax on all incomes after \$500k to help pay off the national debt. Anyone who earns over \$500k today can be assumed to have benefited from globalization. Lower the threshold to \$250k for all those working on Wall Street, incl. Financial Services, Investment Banking and Law. These vampire squids are the foremost champions of outsourcing and offshoring that killed off our industrial base.

    6) Impose a 50% tax on all international flights both inbound and outbound.

    7) Impose a 25% tariff on all goods imported from non-OECD countries.

    现在是时候让全球化主义者为自己的努力付出代价了。

  102. Yee 说:

    Just Passing Through,

    “I don’t get why we just don’t annihilate China”

    Oh, must be the kindness of your heart…

    White people have killed their way through every continent in the past 200 years. I know you’d kill if you can.

    Every country has up and downs. China always makes a comeback, thank you.

  103. @Z-man

    When manufacturing moves from China to India, imports will not simply continue to be made like crap, they’ll now come covered with it, also.

    The rush to the bottom foisted on our countries by our “elites” contines apace.

    • 同意: Z-man
  104. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Come then, show me what passes for fury among your misbegotten, dying kind.

  105. Anon[279]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If China is that great, why are their people clamoring to emigrate to the US? There’s hardly a place you could go in the US without bumping into an FOB Chinese, esp. in the West Coast and NE, but also increasingly in FL and Texas.

    their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids

    You mean Chinese kids start college at age 15/16? Somehow I doubt that. Regardless, the quality of education must not be so great considering how many of them are clamoring to enter US universities. There are now over 420,000 Chinese kids in US universities, and most of them are not the best students, cheating is rampant. Last year 8,000 of them were expelled from US universities for cheating. Also the dream school of every Chinese kid(or at least parent) is Harvard or Stanford, not any Chinese university which most people outside of China can’t even name.

    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @Godfree Roberts
  106. Anonymous[456]• 免责声明 说:
    @Tor597

    This is hardly the place to praise Idi Amin. He expelled Indians en masse from Uganda. They completely controlled the economy of an African country. Idi Amin called them the East African Jews.

    It is worth bearing in mind that Indian indentured laborers took the reins of power in Guyana. Mauritius, although it is an island off the East African coast and a member of the African Union, is basically ethnic Indian. Because of their high birth rates, they were set to take over the government of Fiji. It was the indigenous Fijian military that rejected the idea of majority rule and took back their country. Given the chance, Indians could take over the Arabian Gulf states, as they easily outnumber the locals. And in the US, they already outnumber the Jews. With the recent expressions of Hindu nationalism during Modi’s visit to the US, a new furtive force is in the making in America. Look out fellas!

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  107. @Beefcake the Mighty

    My theory is that they underestimated the Chinese and thought that while they were competent enough to work in the factories efficiently, they were not smart enough to copy the Western tech. It came as a big surprise to then when companies like Huawei started popping up.

    • 同意: Mefobills
  108. Anonymous[776]• 免责声明 说:
    @Kim

    Devastating rebuttal, Kim, but no need to reply to morons, it only encourages them to reply to you and around it goes.

  109. d dan 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    “You think that the Chinese dictatorship, which is already as old as the Soviet system, will last another 100 years?”

    One thing that most people in the west misses is the incredibly flexible political system Chinese government has. If you look at Mao, Deng, Jiang and Xi era Chinese governments separately, you may not recognize them to be from the same country or from the same party. Chinese government tries to reflect the thinking of its people: therefore they are pragmatic and NOT ideological. They remain agile when they evolve and amend their constitution constantly while taking in consideration of popular demands and changing circumstances. They are much more responsive to new developments than most of the governments in the world. US political system, in contrast, remains ossified and incapable of self-renewal or adaptation.

    I can spend another two hours providing links, examples and evidences to support my claims, but have neither the inclination nor time to do so.

    Obviously it is hard to predict 100 years from now. But if CCP would cease to exist tomorrow, I am willing to bet with 1 to 2 that the transition of power would be peaceful, and China’s rise would continue thereafter. Call me an optimist or a China shill – it doesn’t matter

    • 同意: Sam J.
    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  110. @The_MasterWang

    Whites have genocides millions, we can attain our greatness once again. What the Japanese did to you is small potatoes compared to what Whites could do. China can only hope to bet Third World India, it is totally dependent on Russian expertise and cannot advance technology.

  111. @phil

    If memory serves me, living standards in the US were much higher in 1959 than they are now. Employment in the US has become ricksha pullers and delivery boys. And the population is certainly much stupider.

  112. antibeast 说:
    @Mefobills

    1) American System: High External Tariffs/Low Internal Tariffs/Public Spending/State Money

    I would call that system “National Capitalism” as in Imperial Japan, German NSDAP, Italian Fascism, Kaiser Imperial Germany because the State directs private Capital to serve the national economy. China’s State-sector accounts for over half of its GDP with the rest divided between family-owned SMEs and State-directed Capitalist enterprises. Again, China’s system is unlike those of the above precisely because its Socialist market economy is still dominated by State-owned enterprises. State-directed Capitalist enterprises are few and far in between but they might grow in number and influence in the coming decades as China becomes more and more Capitalist.

    2) Finance Capitalism: Low external tariffs, high internal friction for rake offs, private spending, private money.

    This is the current US system based on consumption financed by debt owed to Capitalists. The USA has a high GDP of \$60K per capita, even higher than export powerhouses such as Germany and Japan but that high GDP is based on debt spending by government, corporations and consumers. That system has turned the USA from being the world’s biggest creditor nation to becoming the world’s biggest debtor nation.

    3) Communism is a third category, but still a pyramid system similar to “International Capital.”

    This statement doesn’t make sense. Communism is anti-Capitalism, whether international or not.

    The U.S. during the American System period (1865-1912) also accepted foreign capital and foreign inputs – did it not? It would be foolish to completely wall off from the world. High tariffs are to allow your own industry to develop. China uses protection schemes instead of tariffs, but the effect is the same.

    The USA did allow foreign capital and technology inputs for domestic industries but they were protected from foreign companies. China does not protect its domestic industries from foreign competition, unlike the prewar American System.

    Autarky is good up to a reasonable extent. Something like what Russia is forced to do now, where Russia makes all essential goods for itself and buys what it cannot make from others. Is Russia having trouble finding masks or ventilators?

    That’s a good description of the American System: Capitalist Autarky. China’s system under Maoist Communism was Socialist Autarky.

    International finance DOES NOT WANT to lose control of private money power to state credit. International finance makes its gains on international transactions. Money is power, and the ability to control its creation, and channeling redounds to the benefit of a few. What is the quality of the people who the money power redounds too?

    That’s the Wall Street/City of London model of Financial Capitalism which is the current US system where production is outsourced to lower-cost countries while consumption is allocated to higher-cost countries by incurring debt financed by Capitalists who minimizes taxes while maximizing profits.

  113. gotmituns 说:
    @Robert White

    USA owes foreign creditors \$24 trillion that it can never pay back.
    ————————————————————————
    Exactly – Now we’ve got them right where we want them.

  114. @Anonymous

    Exaggerated fearmongering, the Hindus are just the Jews’ puppets as the immigrant class are fairly smart and more importantly foreign looking so the goyim will vent his rage at the wrong people.

    In the Gulf States, the Indians are just labourers and live as third-class citizens.

    As for East Africa, I think anyone except from aboriginals could dominate over the blacks. The Ugandan economy collapsed after the expulsion and the blacks couldn’t even run corner shops properly, just look what happens in Detroit when someone tries to set up a store.

  115. Mefobills 说:
    @Ondra Hada

    Thanks. I have a follow up question. How do the Private Banks get away with creating so much credit via loans? I believe I’m not mistaken in saying that most of our Money Supply originates from Private Banks issuing loans. Is it just that they have huge Reserves

    Banks are not reserve constrained. If you show up to a bank to become hypothecated, you will get a loan (which is new money).

    There are no reserve constraints. Banks are not reserve constrained, they are capital constrained. The quality of the capital is you… your debt instrument… how good you are for your life energy and the ability to pay back.

    Banks find reserves on the overnight market, usually at the last minute, and at the lowest price (interest rate) they can find. If they cannot find reserves from other banks, then they go to the FED discount window and get reserves there. The FED is lender of last resort.

    Reserve ratios are set by BIS basel rules. For example, if you hypothecate yourself to buy a house, the reserve ratio is set so low, it could be your first payment to the bank will give said bank enough profit, to then stuff their reserves and hence back up their capital commitment. The rest of your life energy is surplus profit taken as interest rake off, or say the next 30 years of interest payments.

    If you ever hear the term “bank stress test” that is a stress test of the quality of the capital – meaning how the loans are performing.

    To be fair, some of bank interest does flux outward toward paying bank employees and buildings, but a large component then goes on toward speculation and insider trading. These negative flows, or channeling, have gotten even worse since Graham Leach Blily act took down Glass Steagall firewalls. (Insurance/Commercial Banks/Wall Street Banks) were fire -walled under Glass Steagall to prevent risk transfer. Savings and Loans were not banks, but lenders of existing saved money, thus protecting home ownership.

    The debt money system was constrained and in much better control with Glass-Steagal and forcing home-loans to issue through Savings and Loans.

    Finance Plutocracy has take over the U.S., and it did it with idiotic sloganeering like “free market.”

    Finance Capital doesn’t want to be constrained, it wants to make illicit gains on you, and to socialize its losses – onto you.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  116. Anonymous[458]• 免责声明 说:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    It’s rare that Breitbart target anyone other than Muslims, normally Breitbart posters have a positive opinion of the Chinese because of their policies in Xinjiang against Muslims.

  117. antibeast 说:
    @Anon

    There are now over 420,000 Chinese kids in US universities, and most of them are not the best students, cheating is rampant. Last year 8,000 of them were expelled from US universities for cheating. Also the dream school of every Chinese kid (or at least parent) is Harvard or Stanford, not any Chinese university which most people outside of China can’t even name.

    Those are kids who can’t get into the top Chinese Universities. So they apply to US party-schools where they party all day and night using Daddy’s monies. And, sometimes, they also bribe their way to the Harvards and Stanfords of the Western World, just so they can party with the in-crowd like the Kushners or the Trumps.

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
    • 回复: @showmethereal
  118. obwandiyag 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Roberts kiboshed you point for point with actual facts and yet you persist in “argument” by assertion, in other words just spouting off whatever dumb prejudices you got off of TV.

  119. @Mefobills

    It’s true that individual banks aren’t reserve constrained (they can issue loans first and acquire reserves later), but the banking system as a whole is reserve constrained. Individual banks still hold (precautionary) reserves, even in systems without a formal or legal reserve requirement.

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  120. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    But will they outlast his tribe?

    Their race has been around longer than his tribe.

    得出自己的结论。

  121. Ondra Hada 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    What is wrong with you stooping to his level? Also the “Rape of Nanking” which I’m sure you’re alluding to in part when you mention what Japanese did to China, is a complete fabrication. Holohoax-tier but way less intellectual and physical energy went into the fraud. All of the photos used in Iris Chang’s book have been shown to be not of Nanking but other events. The Chinese did the same with unit 731, using photos from the Jinan incident many years prior and passing them off as Japanese war crimes. Completely Shameless. Today you can find in China a museum where they showcase the 300,000 ( Chinese Nanking number, not unlike the 6 million of the Holocaust ) raped and murdered Chinese by occupying Japanese forces in 6 weeks. Funny how the Chinese Nationalist Government was not talking about this horror to the Chinese and only using their paid Western shills Miner Bates and Patrick Timperley to spread this falsity to America for Chinese sympathy! Why in none of their adresses from 1937-1938 did the Chinese leaders mention Nanking War Crimes by Japanese? Because they knew that it was an easily verifiable hoax! Not so easy to verify for newspaper and book readers in America.

    • 同意: Malla
    • 巨魔: showmethereal
  122. Thanks for the timely and illuminating article.

  123. A very excellent piece of writing. Sounds like Eric Striker has been reading Michael Hudson.

  124. bluedog 说:
    @Biff

    Seems we all know the problems but outside of a revolution there is no answer, for they learned long ago that if you can keep the majority of the people fed then they are happy, regardless of the squalor that they live in.!!

  125. @AnonFromTN

    It’s more like reoccuring coronavirus which will kill just as many people in repeat cycles just a plague would at one go … a Hobson’s Choice at best!

  126. Alden 说:

    Joke going around.

    What Chinese import lasts the longest?
    冠状病毒。

  127. @Ondra Hada

    Yes. No one in the West ever talks about the Yellow River flood of 1938, when the Nationalist government dynamited a dam to slow the Japanese advance, but all it did was flood the peasant villages in the way, it easily killed way more people than could be credibly claimed at Nanking.

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  128. bluedog 说:
    @Anonymous

    Blah blah blah just more right wing neocon bullshit coming out of the bleachers,as of yet I have to read one creditable source outside of Trumps mouth (if you can believe anything that comes from that) that says that this originated in China, or where the first documented case came from.As far as the economy that was headed for the septic tank anyway the virus just came along at the right time to accept the blame.!!!

    • 回复: @Getaclue
  129. bluedog 说:
    @Realist

    I was thinking of that when I read your post.!!!

    • 回复: @Realist
  130. Excuse my small brain. I thought I was seeing literary genius combined with screwed and knotted logic, even possible deception, till, on the BRI, I came to:

    … its exclusive focus on real assets and Keynesian infrastructure-led growth, as opposed to neo-liberal models that impose the primacy of financial “assets” and selling off your country to international corporations.

    Wow! Thanks, Eric Striker! Absolutely! US financialists killing the host, Michael Hudson? Absolutely! De-privatize? Absolutely!

    Will the Friedmaniacs ever get out of the bottle Milton put them into and realize that Keynes was right all along? That Friedman, perhaps not incidentally a Jew, was at best wrong?

  131. @Johnny Smoggins

    AUSTRALIAN COWARDS MAIN REAASON FOR LOSS OF BRITSHIT EMPIRE ARE HEROINES OF BROWN PEOPLE.
    What does spazzy mean, tell me so I can give you a appropriate response.

  132. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If China has such wonderful old age medical care and old age pensions, why is every senior center, Medicare clinic, social security and welfare office, subsidized senior housing food bank meals on wheels full of elderly*1 Chinese that arrived in America just months before and have never worked in America and contributed to those benefits from their first teenage park rec chaperone, , McDonald’s, whatever paycheck.

    I’m not the dumb ignorant White trash bigot you think we all are Mr Roberts. I’m a very well informed San Franciscan. Ive been familiar with the importation of old*2 Chinese to supplement the family income with unearned SSI free food, free bus passes, subsidized housing all my life.

    Just one example. As non White immigrants get priority in subsidized senior housing. But they don’t move in. They remain with their families and rent out the low income government housing at free market prices. So they pay the local housing authority say, \$300 a month out of their \$1,000 a month SSI check.

    But they rent the apartment out for day \$1,200 a month thus ripping off the American taxpayer for a \$900 a month cash profit to add to their \$1,00o, SSI check, free food, free bus pass, cheap poor senior rate for utilities including landline and WiFi.

  133. Getaclue 说:

    I find the ChiCom apologists here a bit much, yes the NeoCon NWO types in the USA are dreadful but that doesn’t make the ChiComs wonderful as a result– they are very much on board with the NWO agenda and the NWO Globalists are the ones who basically transferred USA Manufacturing over to them for their “Miracle” of development that is pimped here endlessly as being due to their great “system” — the actual history of how things came about (just as Mao’s involvement with Yale, Wall Streeters etc. isn’t mentioned…) has little to do with the wonderfulness of the ChiCom Government and much to do with the NWO Globalists at work….– no of course the ChiComs could not and would not do anything like releasing this Virus accidentally or otherwise, just not possible we are told here and in the Mainslime Media… Sorry they could — the “would” “did” question is pending: https://rairfoundation.com/breaking-salvini-demands-answers-does-a-2015-italian-documentary-prove-the-coronavirus-was-created-in-a-chinese-lab-watch/

  134. Getaclue 说:
    @bluedog

    There’s actually a video of the ChiCom’s abilities in this area that was put out in 2015 in Italy (there’s a lot of other evidence also but this is enough for anyone not brain dead or a ChiCom/”Socialist” Propagandist to at least admit that they “could” have released this Virus– accidentally or otherwise): https://rairfoundation.com/breaking-salvini-demands-answers-does-a-2015-italian-documentary-prove-the-coronavirus-was-created-in-a-chinese-lab-watch/

    — I actually came upon this Video a little while ago while researching this question of ChiCom ability to release such a Virus, accidentally or not, and found it strange it was not being referenced by anyone — I posted it here, on one of the ChiCom Cheerleading “they couldn’t and wouldn’t” articles we see popping up nearly daily now on UNZ — and the silence was deafening….

  135. Mefobills 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Individual banks still hold (precautionary) reserves, even in systems without a formal or legal reserve requirement.

    Yes, but that is a distinction without a difference. The quality of the reserves, to then backstop any loans (capital) that goes bad is what matters. Private banking has even worked out schemes to bail-in to preserve their capital ratio. Capital ratio is what they operate under now, not reserves.

    Nobody is denied a loan because an individual bank is lacking in reserves. System wide – you are right, the banks have a legal reserve requirement. But even then they have no problem finding reserves to meet the requirement. They always find reserves post facto.

    The days of U.S. Treasury controlling private banks through reserve loops are long gone. In the “old days” reserves were gold, silver, T-Bills, or Greenbacks.

    Today, bank reserves include FRN’s (federal reserve notes) which are themselves bank credit. Dollars issued from the FED’s keyboard are effectively FRN’s.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  136. @Ondra Hada

    I am not familiar with Sino-Japanese War revisionism so cannot comment, but I was referring to what the Chinese *思考* the Japanese did to them. That is small time stuff compared to what Whites could do to China. Chinese armed forces are pathetic and have not won anything since 1962. They couldn’t even beat Vietnam in 1979, yet they still have the 楚兹帕 to claim the won after retreating from Cambodia and Vietnam.

  137. @Alden

    The funny thing is, Roberts lives in Thailand, a known CIA listening post. God only knows what he’s up to there.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  138. Karl Popper was a Christian. Very much so. Brought up as one. His parents were converts. It’s a pity that people who wanted Jews to convert to Christianity still call them Jews when they did.

    That Soros called his book “Open Society” mimicking the title of Popper’s “The Open Society and Its Enemies” … By open society they meant different things.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @sarz
  139. Mefobills 说:
    @Alden

    But they rent the apartment out for day \$1,200 a month thus ripping off the American taxpayer for a \$900 a month cash profit to add to their \$1,00o, SSI check, free food, free bus pass, cheap poor senior rate for utilities including landline and WiFi.

    If your country is run by an elite, who don’t give a damn about the population, then you will get the above.

    The U.S. elite want to de-racinate the population. They want borders wide open, so the historic american nation is destroyed. They want language, borders and culture to be wiped out.

    They want globo-homo, to keep you occupied and confused so you don’t look up at who your true masters are.

    The Chinese, Indians, and Mexican’s and others who work out various schemes to steal from the public welfare, well that is us allowing it, because “us” is no longer us.

    Focus instead on the real parasite. (((He))) has been plying his game for a long time. Who funded and pushed the 1965 immigration act into existence?

    You cannot fix a problem if you cannot identify it.

    Yes, I get it, most people don’t like getting screwed over, and when you see old dot heads who came to America with chain migration, and then start sucking up public moneys they never earned, it pisses you off. The same goes with Chinese immigrants or any other in-group working to self aggrandize themselves at your expense.

    • 同意: MrFoSquare
    • 回复: @Alden
  140. @Mefobills

    Not every banking system has a legal reserve requirement (Canada eg, if memory serves), so the point is that individual banks hold reserves for basically the same reason that the flawed textbook examples portray. The fact that they can acquire reserves later depends on an entity (the central bank) ultimately creating such reserves ab initio (leaving aside interbank lending and such, which is second order). Capital ratios depend on the overall market, which is not independent of the actions of the central bank. Fractional reserve banking is still at the heart of the matter.

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  141. @d dan

    Chinese government tries to reflect the thinking of its people: therefore they are pragmatic and NOT ideological.

    I don’t disagree. Or at least I have not basis of knowledge to disagree. Back in the 80’s, a student from Wuhan set me up with a subscription to a publication called “China Reconstructs”. This I took to be a propaganda publication. However, if propaganda, it was perfectly sensible propaganda and for the most part, it probably portrayed what was actually happening in China. As a practical and pragmatic person I enjoyed reading it.

    But 100 years is a long time in the life of any nation. I was born while Britain still ruled the largest empire the world has ever seen. Today, Britain is falling apart. Scotland seeking to depart, Northern Ireland under an EU customs regime and bound to split once the Papists outnumber the Prods; while London is alien-occupied territory that would, if it could, immediately separate from the UK for union with the EU.

    China, likewise, has undergone extraordinary change in little more than 100 years: 1912, Hsian-T’ung the Chinese Emperor abdicated; 1931, Japan occupies Manchuria; 1949, China goes full totalitarian Communist; 1978, Deng restores capitalism in China.

    Altogether a pretty wild ride. I wish the Chinese people health, wealth and happiness, but they should not be complacent about the way things are about to unfold.

  142. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    And on my interpretation Popper was not a globalist, but I didn’t thoroughly read his book. At this point, considering the era when he wrote it, I think he meant “open” in contrast to Nazism and Bolshevism. THEY were the enemies of an open society.

    • 回复: @Fatidicus
  143. @Just Passing Through

    Why wouldn’t it? There seems to be no internal instability …

    Famous last words. Cf, Nikita Khrushchev 1962 message for America: “we will bury you.”

  144. Mefobills 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Fractional reserve banking is still at the heart of the matter.

    If you consider money to be the “blood stream” of a civilization, then creating bank money at fractional reserve is a fraud, and hence taints the blood stream.

    What I am saying is that the former “fractional reserve system” was in more control in the past than it is now. What we have now is worse.

    Money’s true nature is law, and fractional reserve was not lawful, nor is what we have today. Both were usurpations of the common weal.

    The first articles of the Constitution are there to say … these are important, don’t screw with me. Of course they were later modified by amendments and other schemes.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

    The first articles were usurped including the money power, in section 8, which was given to the people through their congress, and not privateers.

  145. Alden 说:

    Since about 1950, when the USA cut off relations with China because of Mao’s government, through the endless quality press articles about “ how can the US ignore 1/5 of the earth’s population, through Richard Blum and other west coast multimillionaires lobbying to recognizing China through the 1975- present moving all production to China, the commercial industrial above all financial elites have been totally in love with China, its government, its means of production, methods, environmental standards or lack of, labor discipline fast highway railway and city building, everything about China.

    The Jewish community newspapers were madly in love with China and looking forward to a Jewish Chinese coalition against the stupid, lazy, goyim for decades. I read numerous articles about the ancient Persian Jew community in what’s now Macao, Jewish towns along the old Silk Road that welcomed Chinese caravans, etc.

    There were lots of articles about how much jews and Chinese have in common; family values, hard work, high intelligence, entrepreneurship aka lie cheat and steal, enthusiasm for Jewish man Chinese woman marriages etc . I assumed that having destroyed America the Jews were preparing another invasion of their next victim, China. SOP for 2,000 years, 5,000 if you believe their bible which I don’t.

    But I haven’t noticed these articles in the last 2 years. So maybe the Chinese have notified Soros, Wall Street, City of London and Israel that they’re not welcome.

    • 同意: Sam J.
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  146. Alden 说:
    @Mefobills

    I’ve identified the problem. I just can’t find any allies to help solve the problem.

  147. Mefobills 说:
    @Mefobills

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    _____________________________________________

    Article 1 section 8. The above is where it went wrong.

    Thomas Jefferson on his death bed wanted one do-over in life.

    One of the smartest men who ever lived, had a deep desire to undo that ability of US to borrow its own credit from private banks.

    This is where the fraud of fractional reserve banking took hold, because the banks never really had the money, they created at fraud. It was a confidence game.

    Ultimately, the people themselves are guarantors of all money.

    We live in clown world now in large part because of those 10 false words.

    • 同意: MrFoSquare
  148. Realist 说:
    @bluedog

    I was thinking of that when I read your post.!!!

    I have 6262 posts to your 1021. When I read your post I was thinking that only a dumb fuck couldn’t see the 5241 difference.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  149. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I don’t believe Godfree Roberts the government of China advertising man any more than I believe the latest miracle diet pill
    advertised on late night TV and the Ad pages of National Enquirer.

  150. @Beefcake the Mighty

    He says he has been “China watching” for 50 years, maybe he is some kind of Vietnam vet now holed up in S.E. Asia with a waifu? That would explain the love for all things yellow he and commentators like John Derbyshire have.

  151. The most important part the author got right. There is no curry ceiling in the USA.

    India will take 10 (most optimistic estimate by me 😎) or more years to be able to replace the Chinese supply and manufacturing chains.

    By that time, China would be done with it’s transitioning away from American supplies with it’s made in China 2025.

    The curry flavor is pretty strong in the USA now it seems.

  152. Erebus 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The 2020 GFC (since that is what it will be, regardless of what triggered it)…

    A GFC certainly, but I think we’re looking at something much bigger than a simple GFC. More like 第四转 on a cocktail of steroids and Captagon.

    The West generally, and the US in particular is going to have to redefine itself. The old paradigms have fallen.

  153. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Alden

    But I haven’t noticed these articles in the last 2 years. So maybe the Chinese have notified Soros, Wall Street, City of London and Israel that they’re not welcome.

    Oh, they are absolutely still welcome, but they have to do business like all other foreigners.

    They are one tribe among many foreign ones in China to include white Europeans, white Americans, Russians, Persians, Arabs, Africans, and fellow East Asians.

    Everyone plays on an equal footing, and plays by Chinese rules. The Tribe will not find special favor, and will not be allowed any sort of power in China (but the same goes for ALL foreigners). They don’t like it?

    强硬。

    In a way, I admire China for its forthrightness. It’s message to everyone is simple – If you want to make money, and LOTS of it, China is open for business. If you want to somehow affect China’s course, not gonna happen.

  154. @Realist

    Your comments have on average less words than @bluedog’s comments.

    Average words per comment

    @Bluedog: 58.96

    @Realist: 33.34

    • 回复: @Realist
  155. Ozymandias 说:

    “…which is why they would like your eyes on China, rather than them.”

    And why is it that you would like our eyes on them, rather than China?

  156. @Anon

    If China is that great, why are their people clamoring to emigrate to the US? Competition.

    You mean Chinese kids start college at age 15/16? Somehow I doubt that. Regardless, the quality of education must not be so great considering how many of them are clamoring to enter US universities. It means that in STEM subjects, their high schoolers graduate with the equivalent of a junior college BSc. The only ones clamoring to get into US undergraduate programs are those who can’t get into a good Chinese university and whose parents have money. Jack Ma struggled to get admitted to a teachers college.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  157. @Mefobills

    Yes. I would also say FRB is theft, as the banks unjustly extract interest from the economy (interest as such is not illegitimate, only the means by which it’s obtained is).

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  158. Mefobills 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    (interest as such is not illegitimate, only the means by which it’s obtained is

    Yes, sometimes interest is illegitimate – sorry – don’t fall for lolbertarian BS.

    I’ve discussed before systems that have interest, and it is not illegitimate. For example, NSDAP mefobills had interest paid on them.

    The interest fluxed outward from Reichsbank and toward the bill holder. Bill holder in turn was industry, so labor was paid the bill amount, plus interest. Hence, it was non usurious.

    Our ancestors, who were not as brainwashed as us, figured things out.

    https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/usury-faq-or-money-on-the-pill/#23

    Interest is forbidden on 互斥 loans. But modern man is so far gone, he cannot discern the difference between debt types. Modern man is far gone, because he has been hoaxed with false narrative since birth. We actually believe that all debts should be paid, as all debt types are equal.

    This is why we now live in clown world, where everything seems upside down.

    In Ancient Venice, before a creditor/debt contract (loan) was made, it was examined for mutuum.

  159. fish 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Jesus….first reply! That oughta earn you a nice bonus of Xi bucks Godflee!

  160. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    There are some ridiculous headlines on drudge today. Allegedly live Chinese patients are being thrown into cremation furnaces to make room for new patients.

    I don’t believe those headlines any more than I believe anything you write about China.
    If China is so great, why can’t it build more universities and colleges to accommodate the nation of 1.5 billion geniuses?

    The USA, Canada, Mexico, Latin America western and soviet occupied Europe and Persia all vastly expanded their college community college and university systems after 1945 to accommodate the increased population.

    Iran was probably the greatest expansion of high schools and universities in a short time maybe 1950 to 1975 the world has ever seen.

    Surely 1.5 billion geniuses could do the same in China.

    Husband keeps telling me not to be so bitchy about the Asian invasion. The more Asians invade, the more we can increase the rents and less we need to spend on maintenance and repairs.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  161. @fish

    He’s working hard for the renminbi. Been red so long all he sees is green!

  162. @Alden

    why is every senior center, Medicare clinic, social security and welfare office, subsidized senior housing food bank meals on wheels full of elderly*1 Chinese that arrived in America just months before and have never worked in America and contributed to those benefits from their first teenage park rec chaperone, , McDonald’s, whatever paycheck. Because they are entitled to do so.

    • 回复: @Alden
  163. MrFoSquare 说:
    @Mefobills

    The 16’th amendment was part of the money trust, to then tax you to bail out private finance and the corporations they own.

    Yes indeed! Well said. As Thomas Robertson phrased it so eloquently in his magnum opus 人类生态学: “Taxation follows in the shadow of Usury.”

  164. @Just Passing Through

    They couldn’t even beat Vietnam in 1979,??

    That was never their intention. Here’s what happened:

    Lee Kwan Yew begged the US to kick Vietnam out of Cambodia because it was their first step to taking over ‘Indo-China’ and Lee saw where that was leading. But the US wanted out of SE Asia for obvious reasons so Lee turned to the PRC. After the PRC got the green light from the US and the USSR it warned the Vietnamese for 6 month that it would conduct a 30-day punitive expedition if it didn’t pull out.

    The punitive expedition lasted 28 days and Vietnam has still not recovered from the horrific damage the PLA wrought.

    None of this would have happened had Mao been alive, but Deng was a different cat entirely.

  165. @Alden

    If China is so great, why can’t it build more universities and colleges to accommodate the nation of 1.5 billion geniuses?

    Because competition. China has 350,000 people with IQs of 160. Jack Ma could only get into teachers college. If you want to understand just how far ahead their education system is read this remarkable story of a typical middle-class guy who failed in China and became a start at Cambridge and then at Goldman’s: The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective. By Puzhong Yao. American Affairs.

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/western-elite-chinese-perspective/

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Rdm
  166. @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree sure gets a hard-on writing about the hellfire China unleashed on those gooks. Oh wait…

  167. @Godfree Roberts

    “ China has 350,000 people with IQs of 160.“

    And you ain’t one of them. Can you even grasp how pathetic your nut-huggery is?

    • 回复: @fish
  168. Here are the coords to Peter Thiel’s bolthole near Wanaka, New Zealand:

    44.6942489 169.0952533

    The citation which reveals this is here:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88734658/wanaka-lifestyle-block-purchased-by-facebook-billionaire-peter-thiel-a-new-zealand-citizen

    The house is not anything all that special (just another McMansion, really), but what is interesting (and criminal) is that the property extends for many hundreds of acres to the west and contains the only waterfall in the entire area, something which should have been a public reserve. NZ is, however, one of the most aggressively privatised nations in the world (yes it is, but it tries to hide the fact), so such a natural feature was sold off to the highest bidder, long before Thiel ever showed his ugly face. He merely bought it from the previous owner, but the NZ government did grant Thiel fast-track citizenship –that is, without any waiting time– citing that his entrepreneurship would bring jobs to NZ. Hah! In other words, Thiel paid them off.

  169. Hibernian 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Mr. Roberts, why is your name spelled Godfree instead of Godfrey, as in Godfrey Cambridge?

  170. @Beefcake the Mighty

    No, Bargraphee Roberts is 不能 a paid shill. He provides proof. If his comparative statistics are wrong, give us the correct figures, don’t just scream “shill”. You know? Tell us how you know.

    • 哈哈: Beefcake the Mighty
    • 回复: @Theophrastus
  171. Decent article from the alt-right guy. Thumbs up.

    George Soros and family were Nazi collaborators. He was also one of the key players in the Ukraine fascist coup that empowered the neo-Nazis there. Soros is a capitalist/fascist. All the Nazi fanboys should keep this in mind when cheerleading for Hitler. Nazis were no different then than they are now. Puppets of the CIA and international financiers.

    This is probably what he’s referring to with Thiel. I’ve always thought the alt-right was a “deep state” and Zionist creation. This kind of stuff pretty much confirms that. Yeah, I know its Huffpost, a libtard fag rag, but that doesn’t make it not true.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recognition-alt-right_n_5e7d028bc5b6cb08a92a5c48

    Heres the podcast mentioned. The two girls do a pretty good show most of the time.

    http://redscarepodcast.libsyn.com/war-room-red-scare-w-steve-bannon

    John Pilger, who does lot of damn good documentaries made this one on the new cold war with China.

  172. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No reader of this website believes a word you write. Because your glorification of China is so egregiously over the top.

    It also completely contradicts what Chinese immigrants, students and researchers say about China.
    For instance, when I worked at UCLA I was in the cafeteria line and chatted with a Chinese researcher I knew. He said he was going to take his lunch outside to eat.

    It was 110F that day. So I asked him why he wanted to eat outside in the heat. He told me he’d just gotten back from his every 2 years month long vacation in China. And he hadn’t seen the sky the entire time he was there due to the pollution. He just wanted to see the blue sky.

    Or my friend Xiabo aka Bob. He’s about 40 now, born in 1981. He’s only 5’3. His Mom and her sisters are all about 5’4. His Dad’s 5’9.

    Why is Xiabo only 5’3? Because for the first 6 months of his life he lived on rice water boiled with sugar. At 6 months he started solids, sugar, rice water and boiled to very soft rice. They eat that sweet rice cereal in Mexico too, but it’s not the entire day’s menu, only for breakfast.

    Born in 1981, not during the famine years. His mother was so starved she had no milk for him. No other mothers had milk to share. There were no goats or sheep around for baby milk. Can’t digest cow milk till about a year old. And I guess the wonderful caring, socialist take care of everyone PRC wasn’t making baby formula in n 1981 when Xiabo needed it. Probably a good thing considering Chinese buy their baby formula in Hong Kong rather than risk the poisonous baby formula turned out by the People’s Republic of China factories.

    You may consider me a dumb White trash ignorant prole because I don’t believe your advertising campaign about China. Put your talents to advertising OTC testosterone or diet pills.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Biff
  173. denk 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    it might have been released from the lab in Wuhan accidentally, the actual “warfare” occurred later,

    2011
    The movie contagion depicted a global pandemic originated from HK.

    [[[摩菲]]] couldnt forget ‘their’ HK, just happened to be ground zero for the SARS attack.

    Jan to Aug 2019,
    There was this excercise Crimson软件 Contagion, in which an outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    19年XNUMX月
    The Bill Gates foundation hosted a high level simulation exercise in JOhn HOpkins Centre.
    Event 201 predicts an outbreak of global pandemic which kills 65 millions worldwide.

    These cascade of ‘coincidences’ cumulated in an eerie grand finale….

    11月2019,
    Barely one month before the shit hit the fan in Wuhan,

    In a Netflix documentary, Bill Gates, the spokesman for vaccination and depolulation, practically primed us to be ready for a global pandemic originated from wet markets in China, which are ‘de facto factories for virus.’

    YOu like to talk prob theory, what do you think is the odd that these are all 巧合 ?

    • 回复: @Been_there_done_that
  174. Seraphim 说:
    @Hibernian

    Maybe because he wants to stress that he is ‘God-free’, an atheist in other words?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  175. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Please explain why Chinese immigrants who have never contributed to SSI and Medicare entitled to receive these benefits within days of arrival in this country?

    And please explain why Chinese old people come to America for pension medical care housing and other old age benefits if the Chinese pension old age care is so wonderful?

    • 回复: @Johnny Smoggins
  176. Alden 说:
    @Hibernian

    He probably spells it Godfree to advertise his proud atheism.

    • 同意: Gleimhart Mantooso
    • 回复: @denk
  177. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    You are correct, Ann. Well said!

    Some people, it seems, “got muscles in his head that aint ever been used”, to quote the one and only John Prine.

  178. naill 说:

    很好地揭露了这批人和他们的贪婪动机!

    这就是优秀记者所做的。

  179. @Alden

    I don’t consider you a dumb White trash ignorant prole because you don’t believe what I write.

    I consider you a dumb White trash ignorant prole because what I write requires no belief–just the ability to discriminate between anecdotes and data, and between allegations and evidence.

    And to use logic and be able to tell time. Your friend was born in a very poor part of China 40 years ago, when the US kept China under trade, finance, and diplomatic emerges. So what?

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Mary Marianne
  180. KA 说:
    @Ondra Hada

    UK’s example-

    “the ratio between commercial bank money and base money increased so much that in 2006 there was £ 80 of commercial bank money for every £ 1 of base money.* This creation of money fuelled much of the unsustainable credit boom running up to 2007 [ it was possibly 10-20 pound for every 1 pound in 70s]

    When banks create credit, and hence expand the money supply, whether the money is used for GDP or non-GDP transactions is crucial for determining the impact on the economy. Unproductive credit creation (for non-GDP transactions) will result in asset price inflation, bursting bubbles and banking crises as well as resource misallocation and dislocation. In contrast credit used for the production of new goods and services, or to enhance productivity, is productive credit creation

    Ryan-Collins, Josh; Tony Greenham; Richard Werner; Andrew Jackson. Where Does Money Come From? (p. 39). The New Economics Foundation. Kindle Edition.

  181. @Hibernian

    了解 我的男人戈弗雷 sometime. The male character was a butler. I was my Spiritual Master’s butler and he gave me my name.

  182. Wally 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    伤心:
    “Whites have genocide[d] millions …

    – No they haven’t, and you have no proof they have.

    – Sorry, but Hollywood movies are not proof.

    • 同意: Ondra Hada
  183. @Just Passing Through

    Big talk for a race that invites aliens into their land to rape and murder their sons and daughters while living off your resources. What COULD your sick, misbegotten kind do to us, really? All I see is impotent rage.

  184. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    India, once a 乌贼,总是 乌贼.

    Indians have been fukus 语sepoys ever since the days of eight nations alliance/Opium wars.

    India has big plan , it figures that the shortest path to ‘greatness’ is thru 伟大的撒旦。

    ‘George W. Bush has a cat named India. In New Delhi, about thirty activists of the Hindu Right’s political formation, the BJP, stood before the US Embassy outraged with this news. “We are not cats,” said one man, “we are lions.”

    And lions don’t lie with the lamb, or with the goat.

    Which is why the Hindu Right government does not want to make nice with Pakistan, and much prefers the other lions in the region, such as Israel, and the big lion of the planet, the USA. ‘

    https://zcomm.org/zcommentary/hindutva-and-zionism-comprador-states-of-pentagon-inc-by-vijay-prashad/

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  185. Fatidicus 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Yes, his work was in line with the Frankfurt school. Their objective was to make sure white people never act on their collective interests or in an authoritarian manner ever again.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  186. denk 说:
    @Alden

    He probably spells it Godfree to advertise his proud atheism.

    Do you know whats so great about gawd’s army ?

    U.S. Brigadier General William Looney,
    ‘If they turn on their radars we’re going to blow up their goddamn SAMs [surface-to-air missiles]. They know we own their country. We own their airspace…. We dictated the way they live and talk. And that’s what’s great about America right now. It’s a good thing, especially when there’s a lot of oil out there we need.’

    With gawd like this, who needs the great satan ?

  187. 85.FvS 说:

    我们应该做什么:

    1.) 制定民族主义贸易政策。 – 美国已经制定了非常激进的“民族主义贸易政策”。 中国是否应该针对美国制定类似的法案?

    2.) 加强对中国黑客攻击的防御。 – 中国不断遭受 CIA 和 NSA 的黑客攻击。 当中国宣布他们的新超级计算机比美国最好的计算机快五倍时,他们立即遭到了美国国家安全局试图找到中国 CPU 详细信息的数十万次攻击。 它每天都在发生。 你不知道的原因是因为你的媒体只给你故事的一个方面。

    3.) 禁止中国公民进入美国大学。 ——至少有几十万美国人在中国大学学习。 你不知道的原因是因为你的媒体只给你故事的一个方面。

    4.) 禁止中国投资美国房地产。 – 30 多年来,美国人和美国公司一直在购买中国能看到的一切。 你不知道的原因是因为你的媒体只给你故事的一个方面。 他们现在是否应该像你建议的那样全部被禁止和踢出?

    5.) 禁止中国移民到美国——我同意。 为了更好的生活而移居美国的中国人是无知和无知的。 中国的生活好多了。

    6.) 禁止中国人在美国游说——这是胡说八道。 中国在美国的游说很少。 你想要压倒性的“游说”,尤其是政治游说,来这里看看美国人想做什么。 他们拼命地试图改变中国的一切,以适应他们的政治优势。 你不知道的原因是因为你的媒体只给你故事的一个方面。 美国驻北京大使馆有1,200多名工作人员,其中1,197人是实际外交官,其余XNUMX人是CIA干涉和说客。 美国对中国的干涉震耳欲聋。

    7.) 批评不受监管的中国菜市场和黑市珍稀动物交易。 – 湿货市场是活海鲜市场,没有理由禁止它们。 中国没有外来动物贸易,至少没有合法的。 你不知道的原因是因为你的媒体让你满脑子都是狗屎。 美国人应该停止吃响尾蛇、负鼠、松鼠、黑熊、浣熊、犰狳和其他很多东西。

    美国对美国和世界其他地区的无知令人震惊。 也许在指责之前先看看自己的缺点。

    • 回复: @GeeBee
  188. sarz 说:

    Thanks, Eric Striker, for all the material you have put together to show this new development, the globalist move away from China.

    It looks like the split between what Saker calls National Zionists (but truly, pretend-nationalist Zionists) such as Trump and the Rothschild-led Jewish money-power faction is coming to an end. The big Jews (including crypto-Jew Trump) are as united post their latest big false flag as they were after 9/11, of which Trump was and is an accessory after the fact. (Compare his detailed snalysis on the evening of 9/11 showing correctly that bombs must have been involved thereby shooting to shit the hijacker story, with his singing, a mere day and a half later, the Judaic tune about hatred and kerosene fire bringing down a massive steel structure. 9/11 was on a need-to-know basis and one of Trump’s friends such as Giuliani or Silverstein must have clued him in.)

    It’s now back to one big happy big-Jew family, like with 9/11. The globalists are now saluting Trump’s enmity with China, as reflected in this piece in the Atlantic:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493

    Money is flowing over the big Jews in an infinite stream. The tension now is over how far the larger Judaic agenda of Bill Gates (one more crypto-Jew) of vaccine and injectable chipping and immunity passports will be allowed to wreck the economy and Trump’s re-election chances. So the scenes with Trump and Fauci.

    • 回复: @anon8383892
  189. Biff 说:
    @Alden

    For instance, when I worked at UCLA I was in the cafeteria line and chatted with a Chinese researcher I knew. He said he was going to take his lunch outside to eat.

    It was 110F that day. So I asked him why he wanted to eat outside in the heat. He told me he’d just gotten back from his every 2 years month long vacation in China. And he hadn’t seen the sky the entire time he was there due to the pollution. He just wanted to see the blue sky.

    That’s the polite way of saying “I want to go outside to get away from 美味设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    • 回复: @Parfois1
  190. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Dumb White trash ignorant proles don’t graduate from one of the top 5 universities in the United States, Stanford.

    Of course I got in when the main criteria was SAT test scores, not checking some black Asian Hispanic non White box.

    Rice water and sugar the first 6 months of his life and 6 inches shorter than his father. Even the poorest parts of Africa the mothers have enough milk to feed their babies for the first 6 months. Neither his mother nor any other woman in the vicinity had milk for their babies.

    It was a lifetime of starvation that made it impossible for his mother and the other women of her generation to produce enough milk to feed their babies.

    And how do you know where Xiabo was born and lived the first 9 years of his life? How do you know it was a very poor part of China? His parents actually had enough food to grow to adult hood. So it couldn’t have been the ooorest part of China.

    Dad and Mom are both Chinese university grads and engineers. What kind of a country is it that 2 engineers can’t buy enough food so the mother can’t produce milk for her baby. Africa, Myanmar, Indian untouchables, mother’s are fed well enough to produce milk for their babies.

    But non of the mothers produced milk when Bob was a baby?

    Being ignorant of such things, you don’t know the depth of starvation for decades it takes for entire towns of new mothers unable to nurse their babies. Even during the worst of the 1919/1950 food shortage days in the Soviet Union, mother’s could feed their babies.

    Where’d you go to college by the way? Eastern Arizona state? Being a San Franciscan, I probably know more Chinese people than you do.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
    , @antibeast
  191. sarz 说:

    Since you are being autobiographical, may I ask, are you using the term Spiritual Master in joke fashion, to refer to some sort of materialist, or was that someone from a recognisable spiritual lineage, ie, someone we would refer to as some sort of mystic?

    I include atheists among possible mystics, for example Sarmad, who was beheaded for reciting only half the kalma: “There is no God…”

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  192. Erebus 说:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    与唐纳德特朗普不同的是,中国总统不会通过张开嘴听出来的东西来发现他的想法。

    Great line. I’m gonna steal it as soon as an opportunity presents. Mutatis mutandis, of course.

  193. @denk

    These cascade of ‘coincidences’ cumulated in an eerie grand finale….=

    People have been regularly talking about biological virus attacks for over a decade already, and also modeling strategy exercises, because they know there are have labs doing research on viral weapons, so that an accidental release from these labs is always a looming possibility.

    I saw the video of the 201 Event analysis, sponsored by Bill Gates, featuring those multicultural actors, and the lesson was that governments were basically unprepared for an outbreak. Also, the 纽约时报 piece you linked to concluded this:

    …drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.=

    In light of all that, it doesn’t appear very likely at all that agents from a country completely unprepared to deal with the crippling effects of an outbreak would then suicidally choose to initiate such an attack anyway, though some deluded fanatics appear to desperately want to believe that is what they did.

    These fanatics seem to be trying to fit elements of the July 7, 2005 London Bombing scenario – a false flag operation disguised as a so-called “drill” that went live – into the current viral outbreak situation, but this is different from that event 15 years ago. Their putative “logic” appears to be as simplistic as: Ft. Detrick research lab was closed in the summer; therefore the Wuhan virus must have come from there, unleashed at the Military Games. This type of reasoning obviously ignores accounting for the rapid exponential viral outbreak pattern that inevitably would have become evident much earlier than was actually the case.

    Yet, as I pointed out, the more important – and criminal – aspect was the refusal by China to close the Wuhan airport for nearly three weeks in order to allow the virus carriers to fly to other countries and let it spread throughout the world. From the perspective of military game theory this approach made sense to them in early January: Either China immediately closes down airports to stop the viral spread, in which case they take a big hit to their economy during the containment process because they will bear the main burden, compared to other economies; or they allow the virus to also transfer to everywhere else for nearly three weeks and have it spread from new hot-spots, in which case they will come out ahead, comparatively, because they knew all these other countries are more poorly prepared than they were.

    • 回复: @sarz
    , @denk
    , @Anonymous
  194. @Anonymous

    Do Sikhs have caste? That’s news to me. Bad news.

    • 回复: @Malla
  195. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Be careful with the term “free markets”. When Uncle Shlomo uses it he means the opposite, captive markets. A real free market makes regime change essential. The very problem with Venezuela.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  196. sarz 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Karl Popper was a Christian. Very much so.

    Okay. Presumably this shows up in his work. How? A lot of ‘conversion’ just switches the club from synagigue to church. The culture remains ‘cosmopolitan’. I had a friend from a converted Jewish family from one of the posh suburbs in Connecticut. She married a friend from an old WASP family whose Christianity was pretty attenuated. They were thoroughly nice people and they were great aesthetes. They went all over Europe to hear choral music. One would hardly call them Christian in any serious sense.

    I would say that Popper is fairly characterised as a Jew, because culturally that’s what he very much was. His concerns are Jewish concerns. Atheist Jewish concerns. Being a nominal Christian is neither here nor there.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  197. @Beefcake the Mighty

    China is not a debt predator. Read The New Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: The Shocking Inside Story of How America Really Took Over the World, by John Perkins, Ebury Press (Penguin) 2016. Then come back and tell us who the debt predator is.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  198. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    the Indians literally do not care as they have their spat with the pakis

    B.S. As an Indian I can tell you, India and most Indians are greatly butt hurt by China’s rise. Of course the Pakis are enemy number 1 but India wants to be something bigger than just ‘enemy of failed state Pakistan’.

    Some years back, I had fellow Indians boast about how (super talented super IQ) Indians will only do all the intellectual jobs in the World like IT and export to the USA, Chinese (being dumb and lowly worker caste people) will do lowly manufacturing work & export to the USA, and (fat, dumb, loose with slutty women) Americans will just consume products and services. Somehow this triad is how the World economy will run forever, boasted many of my Indian friends, chest thumping. But when China kept on rising further, the boasters were sweating & full of hatred for China.

    Earlier we Indians would explain away the backwardness of the country by the excuse of our “big population”. But when China, a country with even more people, zoomed ahead, suddenly we Indians got some inferiority complex feelings, many felt in their heart ‘Are we loser monkeys?’ as the big population excuse was falling flat. Besides Indians will never stand China overtaking the USA in technology because according to most Indians, USA became a superpower because of “Indian Talent”. Indeed all first world countries such as Australia, Japan, Germany etc… are rich and successful ONLY & ONLY becuz of ‘Indian Talent’. As they say “Indian Talent” makes the world go round.
    Of course Indian talent fails to work in India “because of corruption of politicians.”
    So the rise of the China over the USA would be “Indian talent” failing to those Chinese and that is unacceptable to most Indians. Most Indians believe that White Americans are a fake, dumb, lazy people with no culture except sex and violence. White Americans cannot run America without the brains of superior Indians according to most Indians.

    • 谢谢: showmethereal
  199. Smith 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Why would the Vietnamese pull out of Cambodia at the times when Cambodia was hosting Pol Pot (an US-Chink funded actor) who massacred vietnamese.

    And bullshit, Mao wanted Vietnam too, he referred to Vietnam as once chinese territories. He didn’t invade because the North depended on him and the USSR and the US was there.

    @ Denk

    Pakistan is hostile to China, not vice versa. It’s like asking why China doesn’t make nice with India or the USA.

    China is hugely friendly to Israel as well, ever care to mention that?

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  200. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    BTW we Indians got nukes way before Pakistan got nukes. Indeed Pakistan got nukes as a response to India getting nukes, they had to, they were going to. And thus those nukes (many of them tested were duds BTW) has actually equalized Pakistan with India, Pakistan which was inferior to India in conventional weapons, has now become India’s equal because both can nuke each other.

    So why did India take thus stupid decision? China? Maybe? Or because we dream of being a super power. From childhood I am hearing about this theme of India becoming a Superpower.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  201. @denk

    You are the chink who is shook by Third World India. It is pathetic as India should be of no concern to China as the latter steamrolled them in 1962 and China is much smarter. Despite this you are still talking about them. Could it be to do with how this Third World pseudo-nation humiliated your paki friends in 1971 by splitting their country in 2? Could it be to do with how they took over Sikkim?

    来自维基

    Sino-Indian relations were somewhat bruised in 2000 by an event in Sikkim which challenged China’s longstanding claim of Sikkim as an independent country. The unusual event was the escape of Ogyen Trinley Dorje from Tibet to Dharamsala, India. Ogyen Trinley Dorje is one of the two rival claimants who seeks recognition as the 17th Karmapa, the head of the Black Hat branch of Tibetan Buddhism (see Karmapa controversy). The two claimants did battle in the Indian court system for control of the considerable funds collected by the 16th Karmapa for the restoration and maintenance of Rumtek Monastery, located in Gangtok, Sikkim. The Chinese, who recognise Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the true Karmapa, were unhappy about the court outcome which awarded the monastery funds to the other rival. However, the Chinese government was in a quandary as to what to do about it, as any protest to India would mean an explicit endorsement that the high court of India holds jurisdiction over Sikkim.

    In 2003, with the thawing of relations between the two nations, Indian sovereignty over Sikkim was finally recognised by China. The two governments also proposed to open the Nathula and Jelepla Passes in 2005.

    Or perhaps you are angry about this

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_China–India_border_standoff

    One can only expect China to outsource it’s fighting to the Pakistanis as the latter are much braver and have the warrior spirit, unlike Chinese who are meek and timid. The Chinese of today are also very different to the Chinese of 1962 and have been feminised and their testosterone lowered.

    Also, Chinese are the biggest philosemites

    https://forward.com/culture/344669/why-are-the-chinese-so-obsessed-with-the-jews/

    Chinese are called the Jews of the East for a reason, they are a slimy, silver-tongued devil race that will backstab at the first opportunity.

    Coronavirus has ruined your Confucius Institute propaganda operations and now you people are back to square one in trying to convince us that you are not a treacherous race.

    • 回复: @denk
    , @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  202. @Malla

    That feeling was probably a thing a decade or so ago when both countries were touted as being the next big thing, but since then China has pulled ahead and Indians realise they cannot compete. That is why they are the largest market for Chinese smartphones. Could you imagine them buying Pakistani smartphones? (if such a thing existed)

    I think many Western companies are going to transfer manufacturing to India as it says in Eric Strikers article, because they know Indians will not be smart enough to copy and innovate the product and then make their own versions like China has done. This transfer will not be some dramatic event but a slow diversification so that all their eggs are not in China’s basket. This is better than nothing for the Indians I suppose.

  203. @fish

    Your comment suggests that you trust our media, which makes you a member of a very tiny minority–six percent in fact.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-poll-just-6-percent-of-people-say-they-trust-the-media-2016-4

    Not only that, but you trust them to tell the truth about something you cannot verify and which represents a mortal threat to the billionaires who own those media.

    Because China is a threat to them, our oligarchy is willing to pay good money to needy journalists, editors, authors, politicians and academics to lie about China. The money is good, too.

    Western governments pay scholars to rationalize their policies, excuse their blunders, and denigrate their rivals. Carl Bernstein[1] revealed that more than four hundred American journalists and virtually every major US media outlet, including ABC, NBC, the AP, UPI, Reuters, Newsweek, Hearst, the Miami Herald, and the New York Herald‑Tribune had secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.

    The CIA’s Victor Marchetti[2] testified that the Agency spent a quarter billion dollars annually on non-governmental organizations, NGOs, like The Asia Foundation for “Anti-communist academicians to disseminate a negative vision of mainland China[3].”

    Udo Ulfkotte[4], Editor of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, says that no significant journalist in Europe, including himself, is free of CIA influence.

    Publishers purvey government-approved disinformation[5], too, says Ann Lee[6], “A reporter and friend of Michael Massing[7] who worked at the Beijing office of The Wall Street Journal told him that the editors in Washington regularly changed material information and opinions in his articles. Given the twelve-hour time difference, by the time his stories went to press in the West, the editors had replaced all the Chinese interviews with statements from American talking heads who work at think tanks promoting anti-China perspectives.”

    As far as I can tell, the PRC doesn’t give a damn what anyone here says about them. They prefer to let their deeds do the talking. That is starting to pay off, too, as this suggests:



    [1]“中央情报局和媒体:美国最强大的新闻媒体如何与中央情报局合作,以及为何教堂委员会将其掩盖。” 卡尔·伯恩斯坦。 滚石乐队(Rolling Stone),1977年。
    [2] The CIA and the cult of intelligence – 1976. by V. Marchetti. (It is the first book the US Government ever went to court to censor before its publication).
    [3] Some of those writings resurfaced in 2017 when China’s censor asked Cambridge University Press to retract three hundred journal articles about a non-existent massacre in Tiananmen Square. Claiming academic freedom, Cambridge refused and the censor yielded.
    [4] Gekaufte Journalisten(购买的记者),Udo Ulfkotte。 Kopp Verlag。 2014年。英语版《雇用记者:中央情报局如何购买新闻》已被废止。
    [5] CIA’s Mockingbirds and Ruling Class Journalists. New America.Tuesday, 25 April 2017
    [6]美国可以从中国那里学到什么:将我们最大的竞争对手当作我们最好的老师对待的思想开放的指南,作者:安·李(Ann Lee),2012年
    [7] Michael Massing Edited The Columbia Journalism Review.

    • 回复: @fish
  204. GeeBee 说:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    Well said. Regarding ‘wet markets’ it strikes me that the MSM has deliberately portrayed these as being somehow primitive, unwholesome and bad. We need not be surprised of course to discover that reality is precisely the opposite. Here in France, our local supermarket has a section where it is possible to buy live lobsters, crabs and other sea-food. They are kept on full display in tanks of water. Anyhing like this would be unthinkable just across the channel in the UK, but in France (and Italy) it is the norm.

    将这种新鲜、健康的食品与美国超市里的所有加工垃圾进行对比。

  205. @Smith

    China is hugely friendly to anyone who doesn’t sick a finger in their eye. Since the richest Jew on earth depends upon China for his wealth and is also the biggest donor to Republican candidates, it’s a smart policy.

    Pol Pot (an US-Chink funded actor) who massacred vietnamese? Do tell!

    Mao wanted Vietnam too, he referred to Vietnam as once chinese territories?? Get a grip! Mao had enough problems without taking on Vietnam’s.

    He didn’t invade because the North depended on him and the USSR and the US was there?? No, you’ve got it ass-backwards. The US didn’t invade North Vietnam because Mao told them that, if they crossed the 17th parallel he’d kick their asses the same way he did in Korea.

  206. Well this article is written by some Pro china and the comments which are written in the comment section are written by chinese who are using English names in disguise what a crap the writer sucks

  207. @Alden

    What a waste of a good education. Herbert Hoover must be turning in his grave.

    Do you think Xiabo might have been pulling your leg? The stats do not support his tale: average height, longevity, etc., all continued their smooth rise to today’s level. Maybe he’s just a runt.

    Whatever happened to him is now irrelevant. By next summer, the tables will be turned. Every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home and have an income, plenty of food and clothes, better education than Americans, safe streets, health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.

    届时,将有300,000,000亿中国城市居民的净资产和可支配收入比普通美国人多,他们的母亲和婴儿死于分娩的可能性将降低,他们的孩子比美国孩子早三年毕业,并且寿命更长,更健康生活,美国的吸毒者,自杀和死刑将比中国更多,更多的无家可归者,贫穷,饥饿和被监禁的人。

    Break the good news to Xiabo.

    • 回复: @Alden
  208. Malla 说:

    That feeling was probably a thing a decade or so ago when both countries were touted as being the next big thing,

    Yup, 2000s and early 2010s. By late 2010s, ironically with the coming of super nationalist Modi to power, the realization set in and Indians were resigned to a China way ahead of India.

    but since then China has pulled ahead and Indians realise they cannot compete.

    And has created a lot of bitterness.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  209. Yee 说:

    奥尔登

    ‘’His mother was so starved she had no milk for him. ‘’

    Another one with a “Chinese friend whose mother had no milk”… Seems there’re lots of Chinese whose mother had no milk living abroad. I’ve certainly heard this story quite a few times by now. I wonder if this is one of the standard story for the dissident groups abroad.

    Really, if his mother was so starved, she wouldn’t be able to conceive, let alone carry to full term.

    I thought that was common knowledge.

    A similar example for this would be young women who go too far on a diet to lose weight. They will stop menstruating. Women don’t get pregnant if they don’t menstruate. The foetus will be lost even if they do. This is the same rule with other animals too. A drought year with less grass will breed fewer lambs.

    Anyway, I’m glad people like your Chinese friend become American, no longer Chinese. Everybody happy.

    • 哈哈: Biff
  210. @Malla

    The current cope is that America helped China, they do have a point as virulent Jew Kissinger sold our America’s then mostly White working class to insect people in the East, it started with Japan then moved on to Korea and now we are finally at China.

    As I have said in other comments, if we were to ban all racial foreigners from our top companies and educational institutions and also refuse to collaborate with them, progress would more or less halt on the other countries, perhaps China could keep the flame brining for a decade or two more but after that nothing will materialise.

    Look at all the research journals sorted by impact factor, they are all Western. China doesn’t do novel research anywhere near to the level of White nations.

    Anglo-Americans are the most butthurt about China because they know how easy it would be to crush China.

  211. antibeast 说:
    @Alden

    Dumb White trash ignorant proles don’t graduate from one of the top 5 universities in the United States, Stanford.

    From the way you think, people might suspect that you graduated from a trailer park: the kind of gringo who drive trucks, own guns, watch porn, do drugs, swap wives, hate niggers, fuck dogs and read the Bible.

    • 哈哈: Parfois1
    • 回复: @Malla
  212. sarz 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    You speak of China’s actions as shaped by game theory, but your analysis of American motives just above that is is much shallower. Lower IQ?

  213. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Hence a distinction between free markets and capitalism.

  214. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The problem (one of many) with the Team China retards here is that they fail (or refuse) to comprehend that the US and China exist symbiotically, not antagonistically (TV bits aside)

    BTW, if I had dime for every idiotic “China isn’t X because the US is 2X” statement made here, I could pay for two or three Green New Deals.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Malla
  215. Quintus 说:

    A tour de force, Eric Striker! I have been waiting for someone to write a piece in the Unz Review accounting for the United States’ hostility to China beyond the vague, yet partially accurate principle of Thucydides’ trap. I have always suspected that there had to be a J./Wall Street angle to this concerted antagonism, something along the lines that the masters of discourse and finance do not control the Middle Kingdom to the same degree as they control the West. ES has shed much-needed valuable light on this important topic. We need more investigations of this kind.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  216. @Alden

    “And please explain why Chinese old people come to America for pension medical care housing and other old age benefits if the Chinese pension old age care is so wonderful?”

    Does this actually happen in the US? Elderly immigrants (no one over 50 should be allowed to immigrate in my opinion) can just show up and immediately qualify for a pension and health care even though they’ve never worked a day in the US?

    • 回复: @Rdm
  217. denk 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    YOur rant evades my question.

    You and I both know its highly unlikely that all those prior warnings happen to be just 巧合.

    When did those [[[sobs]]] started hatching this diabolical plan ?
    Here’s a clue…..
    Way back in 2008 , Dean Koonz wrote a book on global pandemic, he called it ...Wuhan 400 !

    • 回复: @Been_there_done_that
  218. @Quintus

    Considering the US State Department has been infested with Jews for a long time, literally all foreign policy actions taken by America will have a “Jew angle” to them.

    Just remember that it was Jew Kissinger and Clinton’s Jewish dominated State Department that gave China the edge. Do you think it was goys sending out jobs to China? You think people like Henry Ford would advocate for such a suicidal measure?

    • 同意: Quintus
  219. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I also read an article somewhere, IIRC it might have been in The National Interest, written by a specialist focusing on Asian military history.

    After extensive research, it seems that China’s intention was to send a message to Vietnam, not to take over the country. So the clash was basically a punitive raid.

    Very contrary to popular belief, the PLA actually inflicted more casualties on the PAVN (People’s Army of Vietnam) than they took, something like 26,000 PLA casualties to 35,000 PAVN.
    At the culmination point of the war, the Chinese had opened the road to Hanoi with no more PAVN forces in the way, those forces having been cleared out.

    That was that, message sent, so the Chinese left.

    The whole thing was a wake up call to China about the weak, backward state of their military, having taken such losses against a fellow developing nation.

    But it was not the one-sided massacre of the Chinese that is often glibly cited by popular journalists and armchair historians.

    On a side note, normally I would consider Vietnam the underdog here, but they were also trying to carve out their own Indochina Empire by invading neutrals Laos and Cambodia, so showing themselves very expansionist. IMHO, Vietnam was not a victim here.

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
    • 回复: @showmethereal
  220. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Whao, gobbling up minuscule Sikkim is your idea of HIndutva greatness , LOL.

    YOu missed out a whole lot more of your motherland India’s glorious achievements…..like invading Maldives,
    Sri Lanka, Blockading Nepal, raping BHutan.

    You HIndutva warriors were very brave in beating up defenseless tiny nations, but when you tried on someone your size in 1962….hehhehehe

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  221. Realist 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Your comments have on average less words than @bluedog’s comments.

    Average words per comment

    @Bluedog: 58.96

    @Realist: 33.34

    My comments are concise and logical…not inane and rambling.

    Verbosity and circumlocution are not quality characteristics.

  222. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    Intelligent people do not own guns, read the bible or hate ghetto blacks? What? How stupid is that?
    As far as porn, seriously? You think your average professor in Harvard or Stanford never ever saw any porn? Yeah rite.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  223. Parfois1 说:
    @Biff

    That’s the polite way of saying “I want to go outside to get away from you.”

    That’s precious!!! In other words: “How to get away from a bullshit artist”.

  224. @Malla

    Pakistan has traditionally had the technical edge over India due to them being the bulwark against Communism. Pakistanis helped the CIA a lot during the Soviet-Afghan War. Nixon and Kissinger initiated the thawing of relations with China and so a US-Pakistan-China axis was formed. Pakistan has received American equipment while India has received crappy Soviet equipment with a smattering of French gear which is of good quality.

    When East Pakistan was on the brink of withdrawing from West Pakistan, both the US and UK sent their carrier groups to the bay of Bengal in support of the Pakistanis the Soviets also sent their navy but by that time it was all over.

    I have read that India got its nuclear weapons by misusing a Canadian civilian nuclear reactor for military purposes however they did design the nuclear bomb themselves. This is due to the fairly large number of Indian Oxbridge scientists hanging over from the colonial era.

    Pakistan on the other hand got its nuclear reactor and nuclear weapons designs by either being given them or stealing them (AQ Khan network) I have never heard about any Pakistani nuke tests being duds though, I thought all of them tested successfully.

    Anyway, Pakistanis have shown themselves to be more incompetent that Indians. India is a pseudo-nation whose foundations are built on very soft sand. They do not have a unified language, religion or ethnic group.

    Look at the rankings of countries by diversity. India is one of the most diverse and therefore should be very unstable.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

    Despite this Pakistanis have still not managed to humiliate India and seal it’s breakup by taking Kashmir, which is majority Muslims to add salt to the wounds.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.ZS?locations=IN-PK&most_recent_value_desc=true

    Pakistan’s parity with India has come at a cost, it spends 18.5% of its annual budget in the armed forces while zindia spends 8.7%.

    Both government are likely controlled by Jews, Modi is obviously very friendly with Netanyahu while Khan married a mischling Jewess.

    Here he is with Epstein’s henchwoman Ghislaine Maxwell

    Afghan Taliban are trying to liberate Pakistan from Jewish control which is why the US just will not leave, Imran Khan came out of nowhere and is likely a Jew puppet.w

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @GeeBee
  225. @sarz

    Okay, you’ve caught me out. We’ve just moved house and I’ve rummaged through the stacks of books on the floor without finding either volume of his Open Society and its Enemies. I’m pretty sure that in some supplement at the end I’d find something very Christian. Nothing of course in The Logic of Scientific Discovery. 的指数 开放的宇宙 has no “Christ…” entry. Several in 猜想和反驳 but touching briefly and objectively on related matters, nothing personal or passionate. Another I can’t find.

    The closest I can get currently is the section “The Approaching War; The Jewish Problem” in his autobiography, 无尽的任务, where he mentions his family:

    My parents were both born in the Jewish faith, but were baptized into the Protestant (Lutheran) Church before any of their children arrived. After much thought my father had decided that living in an overwhelmingly Christian society imposed an obligation to give as little offence as possible—to become assimilated. This, however, meant giving offence to organized Judaism. It also meant being denounced as a coward, as a man who feared anti-Semitism. All that was understandable. … moreover, many Jews did merge with the population: assimilation worked.

    So, nothing personal or passionate there either, but it proves he was not a Jew.

  226. Malla 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Do Sikhs have caste?

    Officially Sikhs do not have caste but Brahmanist ideas have infiltrated Sikhism.

  227. @denk

    Speaking of big nations beating up tiny defenceless countries, remember in 1979 when China (population 1 billion) could not beat Vietnam (population 55 million)? Vietnamese liberated Cambodia from bloodthirsty Chinese backed Khmer Rouge, who actually commited genocide unlike fake Chinese tales of Japanese atrocities, and China sperged out and invaded Vietnam, China was thrown back by the Vietnamese but still claims victory.

    This is after the Americans had murdered millions of Vietnamese, Chinks couldn’t even beat a nation 20 times smaller than them who were already ravaged by a war.

    Let’s hope this doesn’t happen to Chinese ICBMs on the fateful day

    https://www.space.com/china-long-march-7a-rocket-launch-failure.html

    呵呵呵呵

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty, Malla
    • 回复: @denk
    , @denk
  228. Malla 说:

    But Bannon’s ties suggest he may be merely advancing the shift from dependence on China to dependence on Indian supply-chains, which is even more absurd as India’s infrastructure is awful.

    As an Indian author/scholar Mr. Jayant Bhandari sez, India will NEVA EVA catch up with China. Too barbaric, too tribal, too feudal, too backward. Whatever problems China has, multiply it many times to get the situation in India.

    Jayant Bhandari | India Is Not Next China

    Tribal India Can’t Be Fixed. Savagery and Barbarism is Inevitable. Jayant Bhandari Discusses

    According to him, India is the next Hindu version of fail state Pakistan in the making not China.

    The Indian deep State is elated with the Coronavirus pandemic and it smells opportunities in this pandemic for its gain and to screw China’s image. Even tho the Indian Government was nearly bankrupt and the economy was tanking even before the Coronavirus pandemic.
    One more thing, Indian deep state has always been staunchly pro Russia till now, even trying to balance the USA and Russia at times for the last decade but recently it has started to take a slight anti-Russian stance. Russia which had always been popular among the Indian masses for decades, is losing its popularity now. Are we not surprised, green light for India to get even closer to Uncle Sam.
    Not that China and Pakistani deep States is not a scorpions, they are but the US and the Indian deep states are first grade scorpions, both will sting and back stab each other. No wonder the Pakis are happy that USA is tilting towards India, they know how the American deep state can sting & backstab and the Americans know how the Pakis can sting too.
    I had written many times on Unz about the Brahmanical/Hindutva and Zionist deep states of India and the West resp. soul mating with each other and how it will increase further. It is all coming true.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  229. Yee 说:

    敏锐观察者 II,

    “India will take 10 (most optimistic estimate by me 😎) or more years to be able to replace the Chinese supply and manufacturing chains.”

    Your “most optimistic” is way too optimistic…

    India runs an economy quite similar to the US one – high on service sector, low on manufacturing. India actually is a poor version of America. There’s no economic complementarity with the two country. To put it simply, America has little to give India even if she wants to.

    What holding up China’s manufacturing isn’t some American big brands, but millions of small local suppliers that make components. America doesn’t have those to move to India. India have to build those herself. Well, if India could, she would have built them already, since no one sets barrier to India trade.

    India-America partnership is just for show. If not, then the Indian leadership is dumber than I thought.

    • 回复: @anon8383892
  230. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    the more important – and criminal – aspect was the refusal by China to close the Wuhan airport for nearly three weeks

    Respectfully but . . . that is absolute nonsense.

    No one on the scene, or in the world, knew anything at all about this new disease. There was NOTHING known off its origin, of who patient zero was, of its transmission, of its infectiousness, or of its course and progression.

    So far as was medically known at the time, it came from a market selling freshly-slaughtered animals as food, a human had eaten an animal and gotten sick, it could not be transmitted among humans, and for someone to be contagious, he or she had to be showing symptoms. ALL of those things, every last one, turned out to be 100% wrong.

    In light of that, the Wuhan and national authorities instituted immediate and effective contact tracing and testing, looking for patterns. The expectation was that the one thing in common that infected people would have was a trip to the market, where they would have gotten it.

    When a single cluster of IIRC 8 infected people, none of whom had gone to the market in the last month was detected, the possibility of human-to-human transmission was clear.

    Almost no time elapsed from that detection, maybe 1 or 2 days at most, to the total quarantine of Wuhan with no notice to its residents. This was followed almost immediately by the lock-down of the whole province of Hubei, and then of the isolation of any and all parts of the whole country as needed.

    China could have done even better, quarantining Wuhan in early January, jumping the gun with no info, instead of the end of the third week. That would have helped the world, but perhaps not by much. Remember, it’s not known where Covid19 cames from, not to this day.

    The much better question is: what did the U.S. government do, at the national, state and municipal levels, from January 23 until a week ago, to prepare for Covid-19?

    The Chinese government fumbled then acted effectively, ours saw the catastrophe coming from miles away, and did nothing.

    • 回复: @Been_there_done_that
  231. @Godfree Roberts

    Lee Kuan Yew is a liar. The story about Soviet Union use Vietnam to invaded the whole South East Asian is nothing more than a hoax. From what I learn from my Vietnamese history and Vietnamese veterans, Vietnam never had any intention to invaded the whole South East Asian (This is insane), Vietnam is an independent country not part of Soviet Union then Soviet technically did not have right to turn Vietnam into a invasion spot. Vietnam wanted peace instead.

    About the diary, let me tell from what I understand: normally, people just write diary for themselves only to keep remind that what they truly have done, think, feel, etc. and they never share diary to anyone. Published diary is often problematic in honest and ethical, I mean the people who publish their own diary would not have guts to told their wrong doings. This is reason why I say if people trust Lee Kuan Yew diary then they should trust the 9/11 official narrative.

    The reason China withdrawn from Vietnam in 1979:

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    1. International pressure especially the Soviet Union

    2. Chinese soldiers fighting quality was completely inferior to North Vietnamese Militant (Combination of Vietnamese Arm Polices, Militant, and low number of border soldier more correctly). Chinese “human sea” tactics causes many Chinese soldiers death for nothing. Even Chinese blogs or Sohu admitted that the invasion on Vietnam in 1979 was a Chinese shameful and military disaster. Usually, 10 Chinese solders died to kill 3-5 Vietnamese Soldiers. Vietnam also called the OFFICIAL Soldiers from Cambodia to fight the Chinese army. Chinese army went to Vietnam deep more then die more.

    3. Majority of Chinese general had no experience since the Korean War meanwhile Vietnamese military had so much experience thank for the constantly year of war. Few example:

    a. Deng Xiaoping also said when he plan to attack “Little Imperial Vietnam”, big mouth: Breakfast at Hanoi, Lunch at Hue, Dinner at Saigon.

    b. Xu Shiyou, the notorious general that causes many Chinese Soldiers died, overconfident said: Just take two hours to take the whole Hanoi.

    c. Many Chinese Soldiers used tank to carry them and they even tied their luggage into the tank to avoid being fall off from the tank, and many cases that whole of the tank and soldier died when they ‘ate’ the Bazooka (or something like that) from Vietnamese Militant.

    d. Chinese did not dare to use their air force during the February, 1979 because Vietnamese Air Defense was more experience than China Airforce (Vietnam shoot down B52).

    4. Deng Xiaoping invaded Vietnam:

    a. By US order (suggestion), to prove that China was new friend to US.

    b. Try to save the Polpot (Polpot was a half-Chinese himself, China funded Polpot same to China funded Mujahideen).

    Vietnam MUST INVADED AND INSTALL PRO VIETNAM GOVERNMENT INTO CAMBODIA because Vietnam cannot survive with two hostile regime, China in North and Khmer Rogue in South. Khmer Rogue invaded Vietnam first in May 4, 1975 Phu Quoc island in the Gulf of Siam, and massacred 500 civilians. You can read more for detail:

    https://thesaker.is/special-report-vietnam-between-the-us-russia-and-china/

    According the Vietnamese Military White Book: “Vietnam-China Relationship During 30 years” that is published in April 1979, China was the want to invaded the whole South East Asian to build a China Empire, this is reason why China want to keep Vietnam weak as much as it can like divided Vietnam because the main point here they wanted to do anything they wanted without being interfere and this is reason why China had made good deal with US on the 17th Parallel because they want to invaded the whole South East Asia with being interfere by US. Who know what China would do if the plan success?

    Read here and use translation software or ask someone else who speak Vietnamese to explain to you:

    https://sachhiem.net/LICHSU/NXB_ST/NXBSuThat.php

    From the way you think and response, I have to give you feedback on this (being criticize more exactly):

    You read Chinese historical record and understand them so greatly but you are completely failed to investigate what truly happen behind the historical records (behind the curtain) or mental (Personalities and traits) of the Chinese Leaders. You trust the Chinese record immediately without consideration or investigate.

    For example, historical records said that Ho Chi Minh agreed with Mao Zedong about Vietnam 17th Parallel many people think or conclude immediately that Ho Chi Minh trusted Mao Zedong. However, this is a “beautiful curtain”, Ho Chi Minh and Mao Zedong always had the conflicted at each other behind the curtain, Ho Chi Minh agree with 17th Parallel because he could not destroy Vietnam-China peaceful relationship and both leaders did not dare to contradict themselves in front of commoners. This is reason why Ho Chi Minh entrust his second hand Le Duan, the person that Vietnamese said “Ho Chi Minh is number one then Le Duan is number two”, to handle many important things especially on preventing China influence on Vietnam during the Resistance War Against US.

    The problem here you are being stuff on the believe “China is 100% Pure like Gods or Deities”. This is reason why you seem trust anything that protect on China.

    I know my feedback is pretty ad-hominem to you but this is the problem you have. I’m so sorry but I have to inform you that if you keep believe anything that have “protective on China” elements like Lee Kuan Yew diary then you are a crazy China fanboy (Same to Kpop fan) or toxically, a Sinophilia.

    I’m so sorry for my harsh language but I have to tell you what wrong with you.

    • 回复: @Malla
  232. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    I have read that India got its nuclear weapons by misusing a Canadian civilian nuclear reactor for military purposes

    Yup but strangely Canada still remained very friendly to India even after we breached their trust. India truly is a teflon nation.

    I have never heard about any Pakistani nuke tests being duds though,

    No, some of the Indian nukes tested in the desert might have been duds or the output was much less than claimed.

    Anyway, Pakistanis have shown themselves to be more incompetent that Indians.

    Total failed state. Unless they get saved by CPEC.

    Both government are likely controlled by Jews,

    对。

    • 回复: @KA
  233. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    After the beating you got from China, you silly HIndutva took solace in the western./VN agitprop….’China was beaten by VN IN 1979′; even sent your top brass to understudy in Hanoi from those military genius, LOL.

    In 1962, the PLA routed the jawans in no time, with Delhi in sight, the Chinese declared mission accomplice and withdrew.
    In 1979, the PLA could’ve marched to Hanoi
    after demolishing the VN, again it voluntarily withdrew, mission accomplish.

    There’s a difference tho.
    The pLA advance in Nam met stiff resistance from the VN, who’r much more tougher fighters than your HIndutva jawans.
    The PLA took some serious casualties by they prevailed in the end, hell, the PLA were the mentors of the VN PLA. after all !

    Its silly Hindutva like your ilks who keep wallowing in the ‘China beaten by VN fairy tale’ to soothe your bruised ego.

    呵呵呵

    • 同意: Daniel Chieh
  234. GeeBee 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    ‘Imran Khan came out of nowhere and is likely a Jew puppet’

    Well he certainly married one (Jemima Goldsmith)

  235. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    What was it you say in an earlier thread ?

    Im not a China basher.

    I want China to rise to the top.

    What a lying piece of cow dung, !

  236. @denk

    You and I both know its highly unlikely that all those prior warnings happen to be just coincidences.=

    Aside from the Hollywood movies, which tend to sensationalize anything imaginable to screenplay writers and producers, these kind of contingency events you alluded to have likely been held with such regularly (planned and not coincidental) that many officials did not even take them seriously any longer, if they ever did, thinking that they would deal with it once something like that ever happened.

    You seem convinced that there must be some direct yet unspecified causality of these events associated with the outbreak of the Wuhan virus, that because there had been prior warnings about the possibility of another pandemic, that somebody simply decided to intentionally make it happen, simply for the thrill of it, I suppose, though I have seen no specific indications that this release was nefarious. It’s just wild conjecture, far too vague.

    Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind it.

    • 回复: @denk
  237. KA 说:
    @Malla

    Pakistan has about 3 millions low pay menial immigrant workers in Saudi
    It has another 2 millions in UAE Kuwait and Qatar .

    Pakistan is always afraid of being flooded with these migrants workers on a days notice by Arab . Pakistan can’t escape USA- Israel . Saudi will send th migrants home and destabilize Pakistan

    .

    • 回复: @Malla
  238. antibeast 说:
    @Malla

    Intelligent people do not own guns, read the bible or hate ghetto blacks? What? How stupid is that? As far as porn, seriously? You think your average professor in Harvard or Stanford never ever saw any porn? Yeah rite.

    You didn’t get my sarcasm, did you?

    • 回复: @Malla
  239. @denk

    See @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN’s comment regarding the Sino-Vietnam war. “China beat by VN” is reality and not a fairly tale, perhaps you are getting this confused with an *实际的* fairy tale, that of the “Four Great New Chinese Inventions”,

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2106865/talent-invention-chinas-media-tries-lay-claim-other-countries

    In August 2017, Xinhua described high-speed rail, electronic payments, bike sharing and online shopping as China’s “four great new inventions”. However others pointed out that none of the four were actually invented in China, with modern high-speed rail originating in Japan in 1964, e-payment systems originating in the United States in the 1990s, bike sharing invented in Europe in the 1960s and online shopping invented by the Briton Michael Aldrich in 1979.

    Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?

  240. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    You didn’t get my sarcasm, did you?

    Not that I was interested. You did not get the gist of my post.

  241. Malla 说:
    @KA

    Thanks, very interesting. Never thought of that.
    Yeah if the Arab states did that, it would truly be a disaster for them. Pakistan seems screwed big time, their only hope is if CPEC works but again, there is the risk of debt to China.

  242. @Just Passing Through

    “ Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?”

    If they don’t, Godfrey Roberts will.

    • 回复: @denk
  243. @Malla

    What caste is the leadership of the current Indian government? Also am I right in saying that you area Muslim from South India?

    Is it true that Muslims in India are more loyal to Pakistan like Jews in the West are more loyal to Israel? Is Hindu nationalism actually working in forging a common Indian identity?

    I have heard conflicting reports, some say Modi will usher in the balkanisation of India while others say he is preventing it. Would like to get a first-hand opinion of someone who lives there.

    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Malla
  244. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Hey Patel, you lying piece of cow dung,

    Can you offer evidence to back up black sheep’s claim , else its just hot air. ?

    About that space mishap,

    I really admire your Hindutva gall, after stabbing China’s back many times, Bharat has the cheek to apply for a seat in the up and coming Chinese space station !
    呵呵呵呵

  245. @denk

    It should be noted that the war 没有结束 afterward, either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts,_1979%E2%80%931991

    China continued her campaign with increasing success over the decades. Someone more observant would note that this is one reason why the Vietnamese were so bitter about Chinese incursions, because even the “war” was over, they continued to be forced to fight a long and costly war with a “peacetime” China.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/1979-sino-vietnam-war-was-crucible-forged-chinas-new-military-110951

    The two regiments assigned to assault Zheyinshan fared better. Flexible command allowed the attacks to be postponed until the opportune time, and the attack was a great success, with all Vietnamese positions being captured. The divisional commander in charge of those regiments was soon promoted to command the Eleventh Army, and the attack was cited as a textbook example of what the PLA could now accomplish.

    The Vietnamese launched counterattacks in the MD-84 Campaign in an attempt to reclaim the positions they lost in the Laoshan offensive. Counterattacks occurred against the Chinese positions at Laoshan throughout June and July. After-action reports from these offensives suggest that Chinese military modernization proved to be a possible reason for success. Vietnamese veterans recalled being shelled by Chinese artillery even at nighttime, due to the deployment of new Chinese night-vision devices to the frontline. In addition, Chinese logistics achieved new levels of efficiency. One Chinese artillery commander remarked that in repelling the counterattacks, he could execute as many fire missions as he wished without worrying about ammunition supply for the first time in his career.

    Although costly on a tactical level, from a strategic level, China has accomplished basically everything she sought for in Vietnam.

    • 同意: denk, Godfree Roberts
  246. @Anonymous

    Almost no time elapsed from that detection, maybe 1 or 2 days at most, to the total quarantine of Wuhan with no notice to its residents. =

    Your comments do not withstand closer scrutiny.

    Here is an entry in a timeline provided by China “apologist” Godfree Roberts in a parallel thread:

    月3,2020-中国报告了44例疑似肺炎患者。 国家卫生委员会将其归类为高致病性,命令所有没有高病原体许可证的实验室销毁样品或将样品转移到安全的实验室。

    If it the pneumonia was was so mysterious, and biological labs were given specific orders, the proper precautionary measure on that date would have been to close the Wuhan airport immediately.

    In another entry for January 9, even the WHO had put out a public warning, which I had linked to days ago in a different thread, and indicated that passengers at other international airports coming from Wuhan had also shown similar symptoms.

    One could argue whether it was justified to have closed the Wuhan airport on January 3, based on the information that was internally available then already, or January 9, at which time authorities had a clear duty to close the airports, but the fact remains that they didn’t, and in mid-February plenty of local bureaucrats were officially “demoted” by Leader Xi.

    I had written that China is 主要 responsible for having allowed or encouraged the virus to spread to the rest of the world. There are plenty of politicians in various countries who are 其次 responsible for their negligence in taking adequate defensive measures.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
    , @antibeast
  247. @denk

    He’s not Hindu, he’s a wignat, and not a person worth spending time on. This is his type.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-alt-right-is-dead/

    据TPM报道,现年26岁的海姆巴赫于周二清晨被捕,并被指控在有一名16岁以下儿童在场的情况下对一名家庭电池进行重罪指控,并对其处以轻罪罪名。
    根据警方的报告,逮捕是在海姆巴赫发生婚外情之后发生的一系列奇怪事件。

    这位白人民族主义领袖与传统工人党首席发言人马特·帕罗特(Matt Parrott)的继女布鲁克·海姆巴赫(Brooke Heimbach)结婚。 马修·海姆巴赫(Matthew Heimbach)还与Parrott的妻子杰西卡·帕罗特(Jessica Parrott)发生了婚外情。 根据警方的报告,当布鲁克·海因巴赫(Brooke Heimbach)和马特·帕罗特(Matt Parrott)面对马修·海因巴赫(Matthew Heimbach)的关系时,马修(Matthew)亲自攻击了他们俩。

    The group all live in the same trailer park compound in rural Paoli, Indiana, where the Traditionalist Worker Party is based. In statements to the police, all four listed their professions as “white nationalists.”

    As my friend Karlin quipped, “Only the very best people.”

  248. @denk

    Let’s not play this game of “give me proof”. The Khmer Rouge were Chinese backed monsters who were swept away into the pages of history by the Vietnamese. This resulted in border clashes and China ultimately having to withdraw having failed to capture Cambodia and re-install it’s puppets.

    Also, it is rather telling you think O am an Indian, I suppose that US containment strategy using India as a pawn must be getting to the 50 cent army, you are truly neurotic when it comes to Indians, you have accused me of being an Indian in this thread for absolute no reason at all, perhaps it was because I exposed your governments One Belt, One Road project for what it really is, this is what really annoyed you.

    Looking back at my original comment, it is obvious to anyone that I was in fact admiring China for its recognition of the necessity of exporting it’s people as well as it’s goods to truly gain power. Yet you for some reason got triggered by this?

  249. denk 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Your application for a seat in the Chinese space station has been rejected.

    Sorry about that. 🙁

  250. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    China didnt invent high speed rail, but it
    built up its own from zero to world’s no 1 in a mere decade.

    As for your motherland India, I heard its collaboration with jp to build Shinkanxian is not going on too well ?

    呵呵呵

  251. @Just Passing Through

    Incorrect, China achieved her goals despite abysmal tactical performance.On a strategic level, however, China could and did force Vietnam to capitulate(something that the Vietnamese have never been happy about).

    Armed conflict only ended in 1989 after the Vietnamese agreed to fully withdraw from Cambodia. Both nations planned the normalization of their relations in a secret summit in Chengdu in September 1990, and officially normalized ties in November 1991.

    Cambodia is one of the most pro-Chinese SEA nations.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-08-17/cambodias-troubling-tilt-toward-china

    https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/cambodia-backs-china-hong-kong-protests

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Cambodian

    So in sum: you’re totally wrong. But that’s typical.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  252. denk 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Prove that VN defeated China in 1979, idiot.

    obvious to anyone that I was in fact admiring China for its recognition of the necessity of exporting it’s people as well as it’s goods to truly gain power

    What a lying piece of shit.

  253. fish 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Perhaps it should be Manservant Godflee…..dressed snappily in his traditional Chinese garb…..tending the masters garden and always happy in his place!

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  254. @Daniel Chieh

    But on the other hand Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia, which was the primary reason China attacked in the first place, so…

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  255. @Beefcake the Mighty

    As noted, Vietnamese troops ultimately were not able to remain. Vietnam also had to return all border lands in 1999 to China, while having to also lose the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Cambodia moved solidly into the pro-Chinese camp to this day.

    Its difficult how to see it isn’t a total strategic victory in the long run.

    All Chinese goals have been realized at this point. No Vietnamese goals have been realized, while strategic locations had to be ceded.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  256. @Daniel Chieh

    So 10-20 years after the fighting ended, Vietnam finally cleared out? Yes, you’re right, a smashing Chinese victory! It’s a bit like saying Germany “really” won WW2 because of Germany’s current control of the EU. Apparently “long run” is very long indeed.

  257. @Beefcake the Mighty

    That was my point, though; trace up the links. The fighting didn’t totally end in 1979, it ended in 1991 so the connection to Vietnamese withdrawal is a lot clearer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts,_1979%E2%80%931991

    This is actually a significant point of Vietnamese bitterness, because China was basically opened up to the world by the 1980s and onward, doing “normal business” with the world and expanding economically, while Vietnam had to put a significant amount of treasure and attention until they couldn’t take it anymore.

    So despite abysmal military performance in the beginning, China got exactly what they wanted. WW2 comparison is inaccurate, China really lost nothing of the like: no cities destroyed, no government collapse, and no depopulation.

    It was in fact, a single continuous Chinese policy that essentially got them exactly what they wanted. Notably, dragging things out over a long time and relying on essentially a form of economic/attention attrition warfare and low-level aggression is, more or less doctrinal Chinese strategy. You can see the same pattern right now over the South China Sea strategy.

    • 同意: antibeast
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  258. Sam J. 说:
    @phil

    “…Economists general support free and open markets for good reasons. They contribute to faster economic growth…”

    Maybe but the question is “for who”. It’s certainly not for the average person. And what we have is certainly not some free and open economy.

    Thee are at least four economies that have followed a different path that we can go by. The USA in our earlier years, Germany under Hitler, Japan after the war and China. All have had excellent economic growth and dramatic rises in the standard of living for their citizens. I’m not saying I want their system but I sure don’t want what we have now which is eventual guaranteed peonage for everyone not connected. It wouldn’t hurt to nationalize many of the large scale functions in the economy. California used to have one of the best electric systems in the world now they start fires from zero maintenance that cost the citizens billions of dollars and no one goes to jail. The banks loot us in the most elaborate ways. Plenty of large scale projects can be run by governments. Maybe not at maximum efficiency but there not likely to burn down the whole city like the private electrical service in California either.

  259. @Beefcake the Mighty

    And in fact, playing on the long-run is very much Chinese strategy as well. I discount notions of extremely long runs(20 or 100 year strategies), its not really like Made in China 2025 has been a smashing success – though it has had its successes. However, the Chinese government is aware that they’re able to keep focus for longer, though, for say five or seven years; most rivals can’t seem to stay on track on anything for more than two years, if that.

    Democratic nations with their need for elections, campaigns, financing, etc, get distracted even faster.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  260. naill 说:
    @Anon

    请解释一下这怎么可能,一个容易上当的人。

  261. @sarz

    He was genuine Realizer who benefited from a prominent spiritual lineage but transcended its limitations (emphasis on subtle yogic phenomena).

    • 回复: @sarz
  262. @Tor597

    The main problem with India is that the Raj was a British construct. To this day they are still trying to figure out what their nation should be.

  263. @Just Passing Through

    You’re a bit late. India was balkanized in 1947. Most Muslims didn’t want it.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  264. @Just Passing Through

    The Khmer Rouge were such monsters that, in 1978, I recall, George McHovern, arch-peacenik and 1972 Democrat presidential candidate, was calling for the US to take active military action against them.

  265. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    This much is well known to serious analysts.

    Basically, the Chinese military performed poorly, especially in the early stage. But the clashes continued at a lower intensity, and the PLA learned and performed markedly better as time went on.

    But it wasn’t the Chinese army that was decisive, they were but the visible tool. It was the Chinese state that slowly wore down the Vietnamese state.

    It didn’t help Vietnam that China became an efficient market economy, while Vietnam chose to stick with Communist doctrine.

    • 同意: Daniel Chieh, antibeast
  266. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The Muslims in Muslim heavy areas didn’t want it and formed the Dominion of Pakistan which consisted of West Pakistan and East Pakistan (now known as Bangladesh)

    By 2050, India will have the largest population of Muslims in the world, around 170 million Muslims still reside in India.

  267. 好文章
    I’m waiting to see how long unz can hold out before all out deep state subversion.Aside from these financial attacks bear in mind too that deep state is also gearing the west up for actual attacks on China and allies. Fake news of such old trick, absurdly stupid nature has come out of Breitbart recently that one wonders how anyone literate can believe it.

    There was an article stating that the CCP were throwing live corona patients into incinerators (in Wuhan) .No evidence just old file photos of incinerators and a photo on a pile of really out dated cell phones said to be belonging to the victims. This is such lame ZOG propaganda I’m surprised even Breitbart would stoop to that level. Live people in ovens , they’re banking on the hope that enough people still believe that was true in WW2 . Next up is the pile of old phones, just like the shoes at Auswitz museum.

    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @Anonymous
  268. It isn’t only workers who can be replaced by automation and AI, but private economic planners, aka capitalists.

    That nonsense belongs in the same trash-bin as 时代精神 (which is the same thing, but viewed positively).

    Economic planning fails because there is no way to forecast consumer preferences or sector-level technological change.

    Take something as simple as a decision about whether to grow coriander (cilantro) or parsley: they are very imperfect substitutes as final goods. The production process that generates them can be transformed from one to the other pretty much 1:1 – they have the same (approximate) input cost.

    To make an ‘AI’ decision about how much land to dedicate from one vs the other, depends on expectations about relative prices – and not much more than that.

    Relative prices, however, depend on consumer preferences: you could produce coriander at half the price of parsley, but if fuck-all people wanted fresh coriander you would be wasting your time (in that market: obviously you could let it go to seed and mitigate your losses by selling the seeds).

    And the relative flexibility of the production process is conditional on current technology: that might not be the optimal technology for one or the other, and it’s not possible to forecast changes in technology that might reduce the cost of production of one relative to the other (in which case the input cost bundle for each would diverge).

    Forecasting changes in consumer preferences and technological change is pretty much impossible – even for something as basic as fresh herbs.

    The best sector-level CGE modelling think-tank in the world is the Centre of Policy Studies (now at VUT, formerly at Monash University).

    They’re the guys who built China’s CGE model and trained China’s CGE modellers (both in the 90s, when I was there as a grad student and Junior Minion/Factotum). The Chinese government took them very seriously. Later, the CoPS team built USAGE – the US ITC’s CGE model of the US.

    (Interestingly, when I was there we also trained a few people from the CIA’s Joint Warfare Analysis Centre – quite talented PhD economists whose role at JWAC involved getting a handle on how war affects the economies of both participants).

    Anyhow… point is that forecasting the pattern of production requires forecasts of technological change (on the production side, and also for intermediate demand – e.g., coriander in restaurants) and consumer tastes (on the final demand side).

    That shit is , and the way those things are forecast is labyrinthine and fudge-factor-ish.

    I love AI (e.g., DL and ML done right – which is rare in 你好,世界-world); I’ve been a fan of it since the 90s (the old ‘expert system’ days when it was about trying to process-ify things).

    If it was remotely possible to forecast consumer tastes using ML or DL, I would be all over that shit – even though I have no desire to be in academia.

    Instead, we are up to our ball-sacks in charlatans who 假装 that it can be done.

    In general, what is produced is poorly-executed OLS (ML) and poorly-executed PCA (DL) – where the confusion matrix is the primary model validator, and nobody gives a fuck if the statistical properties are garbage.

    The end result is that AMZN’s recommenders – coded by 你好,世界 bindhis – wind up suggesting refrigerators when you just bought a fucking refrigerator; headphones when you just bought fucking headphones. Same with AliExpress, Baidu etc.

    • 谢谢: Godfree Roberts
  269. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    What caste is the leadership of the current Indian government?

    The Indian deep state has always been brahmanical.

    Also am I right in saying that you area Muslim from South India?

    Actually I am a Hindu from North India.

    Is it true that Muslims in India are more loyal to Pakistan like Jews in the West are more loyal to Israel?

    Some Indian Muslims are loyal to Pakistan. The loyalty of Indian Muslims to India is always suspect whether it is justified or not.

    Is Hindu nationalism actually working in forging a common Indian identity?

    In some ways yes, in some ways no. In some ways it may be breaking India apart.

    I have heard conflicting reports, some say Modi will usher in the balkanisation of India while others say he is preventing it.

    The idea that Modi will balkanise India further is Pakistani deep state analysis which may be true.
    Listen, irrespective of the fact that the British created this modern conglomerate of India, except a few regions on the borders of India (Kashmir valley, North East Region and maybe the Sikhs in Punjab) there was not much risk of India breaking apart. Most people in the regions outside the above mentioned areas were happy to be part of India. India is a federal state, very EU like in demographics and ethnic diversity and the tendency has been to give each and every ethnic group its own state, its own polity, within the Indian Union. And that had/has kept everybody happy. Of course you always have new ethnic groups wanting their own state from a larger current state but with time such statehoods may be granted. but obviously there are many political calculations (political parties, votes etc…) in deciding such moves.
    The Maoists in the central regions of India, who are fighting the Indian State are not secessionists, they are tribals who are angry at rich Indian oligarchs looting out forests regions without sharing that loot with the forest tribals.
    But most people are happy to be in the Indian Union. The fear of the outsider (Pakistan, West, Islamic World, China, Whole World) wanting to destroy and break India, an idea promoted by the deep state in the population further creates an emotion of unity amongst the people. But pushing Hindutva or North Indian Hindi language will alienate Muslims, Kashmiris, North Easterners who are predominantly Christians, Sikhs in Punjab, South Indians as a whole who oppose Hindi been made into a national language. The Hindu fundamentalists eventually want English kicked out of India and want it replaced with Hindi. South Indians and North Easterners oppose this move, South Indians preferring English as a national language as they consider pushing Hindi as a type of North Indian colonialism.
    Anyways the Hindu fundamentalist BJP came into power by bringing the lower caste Hindus on board by targeting Muslims. Traditionally mostly upper caste Hindus like me voted for the Hindu right winged BJP. Most lower caste Hindus were weary of the BJP because of its high caste support base as well as because the BJP was also the baniya (merchant class/caste) party. The poorer lower caste prefered the more socialist Indian National Congress or some other regional parties. Without the lower castes and their votes, there was no chance the BJP could have come to power, as we upper castes do not have the numbers. Therefore by creating fear among lower castes Hindus with the Muslim issue, using the Muslims (and to a lower extent Indian Christians) as punching bags, they could get the votes of the lower caste Hindus and thus come to power. This (lower castes used as pawns by the upper castes) is something lower caste rights leader like Ambedkar had foreseen would happen decades ago and hence wanted a separate electorate for lower castes during the last decades of the British Raj. But Gandhi used cunning and trickery and this was denied.

  270. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    If that is true, Russia should be weary of China too. India, Vietnam and Japan are weary of China anyways. But so should Russia in the long run.

    • 回复: @Smith
  271. @Daniel Chieh

    With China going from strength to strength, and with the highly skewed sex ratio (which causes political instability as many men will have nothing invested in life) it is only inevitable that such Chinese ultranationalist thoughts will seep into the national mainstream.

    Chinese still have scores to settle, they were meted out the 100 years of humiliation, those gweilo’s smashed their illusions about China being the centre of the earth and they are out for revenge. Those in China connected to its history, as many undoubtedly are, see this period as a chance to get one back and humiliate the Whites.

  272. Malla 说:

    Whao, gobbling up minuscule Sikkim is your idea of HIndutva greatness , LOL.

    You HIndutva warriors were very brave in beating up defenseless tiny nations, but when you tried on someone your size in 1962….hehhehehe

    We did not even conquer Sikkim militarily. We just engineered a takeover by using the Sikkimese Congress dominated by the Nepalese Hindus (brought to the Kingdom of Sikkim by the British Raj) against the Buddhist Chogyal (Sikkimese King, who had a high honourary position in the Indian Army BTW, he was back-stabbed by the Indian Govt of Indira Gandhi) as well as against the Buddhist native Bhutias & Lepchas of Sikkim. Right out of the CIA playbook.
    There was also some rivalry in between the King and Kazi (pro Indian but later in life, regretted Sikkim being gobbled up by India) as well as rivalry in between the wife of the kazi and Queen of Sikkim (wife of the King) who was American.

    • 回复: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  273. Smith 说:
    @Malla

    Russia is friend with China because the US is against them.

    The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.

    It’s impossible for great powers to be “friends”, especially when China wants to gobble more, not less.

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @anon8383892
    , @antibeast
  274. @Been_there_done_that

    More three months after the virus had been detected and its DNA decoded, it R value determined and its lethality calibrated, the US still refuses to shut down any of its airports and STILL refuses to provide the details of its index case (Patient Zero).

    为什么?

  275. @Just Passing Through

    News flash: the highly skewed sex ratio is just another anti-China myth. Under Family Planning guidelines second children were encouraged after birth spacing (third children attracted a fine). Though minorities, rural farming families, and families with disabled parents or siblings were exempt, children were often not registered at birth and most unregistered siblings were girls. Thus was born the myth of the ‘missing girls’ which, like ‘ghost towns,’ captured imaginations but left political scientist John Kennedy[1] dissatisfied. “Thirty-million girls–the population of California– are missing from the population and they think they’re just gone?” After comparing 2010 census figures with girls’ enrollment and graduation in 2016 he reported:

    Most people are using a demographic explanation to say that abortion or infanticide are the reasons girls don’t show up in the census and that they don’t exist, but we find there’s a political explanation. The point of contention is the interaction between the central state’s capacity to influence local officials and local officials’ willingness to implement central policies–especially unpopular policies. We find that millions of unreported female births ‘appear’ in older cohorts [school enrollment years], and this also reflects a cultural shift regarding the value of girls in China. The ‘preference for sons’ cultural argument suggests that parents see sons as necessary for elderly care and contributions to family income while daughters are viewed as a burden.

    However scholars suggest that, over the last few decades and especially since the introduction of economic reforms, daughters have contributed more to their natal families (i.e., increased their value). Still, the 1990, 2000 and 2010 censuses show that unreported male births are overwhelmingly registered between the ages of one and ten years old but that the vast majority of children registered after the age of ten are females. This implies an administrative bias towards sons whereby they are registered earlier than daughters, rather than a strict son preference (i.e., fewer daughters).

    Kennedy interviewed a farmer who introduced his elder daughter and son by name but referred to his middle daughter as ‘the non-existent one.’ “He told us that his first daughter was registered but that when his second child, another daughter, was born they did not register her and instead waited to have another child. The third child was a boy and they registered him as the second child.” To keep the peace village officials, often blood relatives, turned a blind eye to children born outside family planning limits and left them unreported. Though the government relaxed the rural one-child policy in the 1980s, Kennedy found that village-level enforcement had already bypassed it and thirty-million girls were where they should be: in school.

    Today, more girls graduate from university than boys and, when we normalize data for job position and seniority, gender and wage gaps almost disappear. Modern women keep their surnames after marriage, take International Women’s Day off, enjoy up to twelve month maternity leave, and retire younger. They also enjoy official favoritism in promotions and unofficial preference in transfers:

    My father was the deputy director of labor department in my hometown ten years ago. I still remember my father got phone call in the very early morning many times, maybe 3–5 AM, associated with issues of overtime production and the illegal use of child labor (the factory owners think no one would inspect them overnight and in the very early morning). No alternative option and no excuse like “it’s not office hours.” He just had to go and do his work. Afterwards, no compensation like extra bonus and day off would be offered to him. Another example is my high school classmate. He is the officer of a rural village right now. Even though the village is not far from his own home which is located in the more developed town, he must live in the village as required during weekdays and only be allowed to stay at home during weekend. Being an officer means you have the power that the public cannot have, but at the same time it forces you to sacrifice many personal benefits.

    I just read a news item months ago: two female officers refuse to be deployed into a poor village because they just do not want to give up the convenience and better life quality of the city. CCP cannot fire them because the policy requires a certain percent of female officers in the organization. CCP also cannot use Party principles to punish them too much because they are female. The only thing CCP can do is never promoting them. But they don’t care because salary would not increase too much along with the promotion of your position and they are satisfy what they earned. But if they are male, the story would be thoroughly different. They would be punished based on the Party principles and even be kicked out of the Party and their whole political career would be over. To sum up, there is no FREEDOM and HUMAN RIGHT for male officers in the CCP’s organization if some people still want to find a perspective to criticize CCP’s organizational principles.


    [1] Delayed Registration and Identifying the ”Missing Girls” in China. The China Quarterly, Volume 228. December 2016, pp. 1018-1038

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  276. Smith 说:

    The USSR “social imperialist” and North Vietnam “Indochina Empire dream” are some of the biggest copes from Maoist/chink shills.

    They can’t even make up good causes but attack their allies because they disagree with them (how dares the USSR order Mao around when Mao tech is all imported Soviet tech, how dare Vietnam be an ally and not a vassal), the fucking chink arrogance knows no bound. Then again, I blame the american nigger jews who normalize relationship with them and give them western technology, if not for them, they would have remained a backwater shithole with nukes like Pakistan nowadays. The 1979 chink troops were worse equipped than a North Vietnam one, you are talking about SKS vs AKM.

    And denk, Vietnam beats China in 1979 because Vietnam managed to drive the chinks away from Vietnam, you chink might say you leave willingly, but that’s a cope just like the americans “winning by leaving”, in fact, your retreat is so fast that you leave some troops behind to be captured by North Vietnam militia, meanwhile the Vietnam army in Cambodia manages to topple Pol Pot regardless of chink meddling.

    The situation post-1979 deteriorates mainly because Vietnam’s biggest ally, the USSR, went kaput, and Vietnam has no choice but to play along with China, the american nigger jews are simply untrustworthy in a fight and Japan is currently castrasted by the american nigger jews. Meanwhile the Cambodian cozy up with chinks because they still hate viets for annexing ancient Champa, still, the cambodians selling themselves to own viets will prove to be their demise, as chinks have no willingness to build Cambodia and now they are a backwards Corona-chan hotspot.

    So yes, chinks might have beat the viets diplomatically in 1991, but we viets kicked their ass in 1979, and know that both north viets and south viets have the differences but will unite on a heartbeat against China.

    There are two cancers in the world, US in the West and China in the East.

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @Daniel Chieh
    , @denk
  277. antibeast 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    I had written that China is primarily responsible for having allowed or encouraged the virus to spread to the rest of the world.

    All the empirical evidence so far suggests that China is NOT the vector of Covid-19 transmissions in South Korea, Italy and the USA because the hardest hit areas in those three countries are hardly visited by Chinese tourists nor inhabited by Chinese immigrants. In the USA, NY has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases than California where most Chinese immigrants live and where most Chinese tourists visit in the USA. In Italy, small cities in Northern Italy where hardly any Chinese immigrants live were the hardest hit: Bergamo and Codogno in Lombardy, Padua in Veneto, etc. while the two Italian cities with the largest number of Chinese immigrants — Milan and Prato — were not. Same case with the touristy areas visited the most by Chinese tourists: Rome, Florence, Naples, Venice, etc. In South Korea, Daegu has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases than Seoul which is the city visited the most by Chinese tourists.

    The Western Media keeps promoting this “fake news” that the Covid-19 pandemic somehow started in China and then spread all over the world. But the facts disprove that “fake news” narrative.

    • 回复: @Been_there_done_that
  278. @Yee

    What holding up China’s manufacturing isn’t some American big brands, but millions of small local suppliers that make components.

    This is what I’ve been trying to convey to my American countrymen. Our industrial revolution 2.0 / industrial renaissance would be best served by a decentralization into a broad-based cottage-industry pattern; garage industry, organized into complex supply chains. Ironically, the pioneer of this model was Albert Speer in the 1940s, who needed to preserve German war-manufacturing against the onslaught of strategic bombing. He decentralized and dispersed component manufacture, assembly.

    The psychopathic douchebags running America favor their cult-of-personality model, so you have absolute shitfaces like Elon Musk and his “Megafactories.” We combine the absolute worst of classic Soviet mass industry and group-think conformism with a nihilistic devil-may-care ethics; and then some ‘think-tank’ attempts to rationalize it ex-post-facto.

    Idiocracy meets Eyes Wide Shut, that’s our elite leadership. Enjoy the accelerationism, we’re due for quite a show.

  279. antibeast 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    So 10-20 years after the fighting ended, Vietnam finally cleared out? Yes, you’re right, a smashing Chinese victory! It’s a bit like saying Germany “really” won WW2 because of Germany’s current control of the EU. Apparently “long run” is very long indeed.

    I think you’re confused because you seem to view that “war” from a “Vietnam vs China” lens, as do some pro-Vietnam posters here. The reason why China started that punitive raid (hardly a “war” which lasted only one month) into Vietnam in 1979 was not to conquer Vietnam but to punish them for invading Cambodia which was part of Deng’s strategy of aligning China with the USA and ASEAN against the Soviet Bloc. As part of his “deal” with the USA during the Cold War, Deng also started a border “war” against Russia and supplied weapons to the Muslim rebels in Afghanistan.

    Since the purpose was not to conquer but to harass Vietnam as part of the Cold War against the Soviet Bloc, Deng switched tactics and decided to launch a campaign of intimidation against the Vietnamese including shelling positions near the border which forced them to spend their scarce resources on their military for the rest of the 80s. The Vietnamese thought the Chinese would return again but they didn’t. Instead, Deng launched the Economic Reforms which catapulted the Chinese economy ahead of both the Soviet Union and the rest of Asia. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Vietnam became isolated and agreed to depart from Cambodia. That signified the end of the Cold War.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  280. @Smith

    Russia is friend with China because the US is against them.

    The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.

    It’s impossible for great powers to be “friends”, especially when China wants to gobble more, not less.

    Yes, everyone is playing a balanced game, by necessity. I don’t mean to discount the genuine and heartfelt solidarity generated in recent years between those two nations, but as you allude, the game afoot is finite sum, and agendas will clash.

    However, I believe that the maturity in their respective diplomatic cultures is generating a new grand-strategic philosophical rubric which seeks to harmonize and preserve diverse nations into a sustainable planet capable of attaining the stars.

    The old, archaic Victory (now only the victory for the weak-minded and evil) was victory nature against one’s rivals in a kind of bloodsport. We are now 已治疗 nature, responsible for her (the ecosystems, the bees, the forests, etc), and the old forms of victory no longer confer honor. This is the level the Kremlin is operating at, and I believe elements of the CCP as well. It would seem that our own elites are too destroyed spiritually by child-rape festivals to embody such subtleties of paradigm; so we are priveliged to witness and partake of a great moral drama unfolding before us.

    Nevertheless, at base level, you are absolutely correct. In real-politik terms, once the immediate danger of PNAC is subdued, there will be structural tensions. I’m not blind to the dangers, but I am optimistic that their schools of political-philosophy are working sincerely on a solution. They understand the game is different now.

    (We need a common treaty on population/demographic explosion. No one on my team wants Georgia Guidestone inpsired genocide, nor generalized castration of the populace, but we do need to preserve a quality of ecosystem and life, and so will need to be careful about planning demographics.)

  281. @antibeast

    No, I get it: it was a grand master plan by China that worked out perfectly, as it could not have otherwise (since the CCP is infallible).

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @antibeast
    , @denk
  282. @sarz

    […] after 9/11, of which Trump was and is an accessory after the fact.

    Sad, true, and a bitter pill for me one of the set of whom were pulled into a hopeful dubious support based on the immense hostility real or staged emanating from the deep-state.

    We’d hopiumed that the complicity was merely tactical, that truth and reconciliation would have its day. Certainly that was the intent of many so called “white hats”, perhaps the man himself. Clearly though, he is captured, insulated, isolated, controlled. We may never know what his true intentions were.

    If we are powerless at the grass-roots level, there can be no republican democracy, only a truman-show facsimile there-of. Our rulers are cryptocrats and their media-star stalking horse ‘visionaries’ like Musk.

    Counter-intelligence with enforcement has to be manifested from the grass-roots up, that is the only way, outside of just hoping for very good luck.

    I was going to say Russia is a counter-example to this thesis of mine. Surely they don’t have grass-roots counter-intelligence capacity ? They are merely lucky to be served by a non-degraded civil service, right? Actually I think it’s some of both. Their population still has the benefits of the Soviet educaion system, which in many ways was exemplary on classical terms. Everyone has housing, so everyone has the luxury of civic engagement and intellectual discourse. Whereas the elites in the USA rule over a de-racinated and diseased (multiple meanings) populace, the Russian populace is quite engaged, and bs likely would not be tolerated for long. Their President truly has the mandate of the people.

    The Chinese also, are more intellectually engaged civically than Americans, and (in spite of the oft-touted lower average testosterone) much more liable to civil unrest and rioting than Americans. Americans are docile AF, outside of the African-American population; of which the low-brows here like to point to as inferior to themselves, whereas it seems to me, this potential and ability for rioting points to their greater elan至关重要 / spiritual fortitude than the utterly castrated suburban and urban ‘whites’.

    At any rate, Trump can’t save us, and the white-hats are not winning, so radically outnumbered are they by the apathetic, conformist, opportunistic, as well as the genuinely malevolent. That’s my prognosis.

    If you want some good news: immortality of the soul, fear only the almighty, nothing and no one earthly can harm you. Do your duty and leave the outcome to heaven.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Smith
  283. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Hey buddy check this out.
    Now I have targeted my own country India, rightfully so, for acting as a brutal, imperial power crushing down on Kashmiris, North Easterners like the Nagas, Mizos etc…, Sikhs, sneakily taking over a nice peaceful kingdom like Sikkim (part of the North East too), bullying nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka etc… And yet lying through the teeth about “evul British”, trying to hide all the good thing s the British did in Indian subcontinent and inventing lies.
    You have Indonesia lying about “evul Dutch” while crushing the Acehnese or Western Papuans/Irian Jayans, the same story of hypocrisy.

    India’s arch rival and enemy P.R. China kind of does the same too. Lying through the teeth about the “evul Japanese” while crushing the independence of Tibetans, Uyghurs/Xinjiang/ Easter Turkmenistanis, Hong Kong folk etc…. Well you can add the Mongols of Inner Mongolia to that list too.


    中国不想让你知道这个地方
    蒙古人也不满意汉族统治和汉族人占领他们的土地。

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
    , @Anon
  284. antibeast 说:
    @Smith

    The USSR “social imperialist” and North Vietnam “Indochina Empire dream” are some of the biggest copes from Maoist/chink shills.

    Sorry but you’re wrong. Deng switched sides against the Soviet bloc during the Cold War. As part of the Soviet bloc, Vietnam’s invasion and occupation of Cambodia was seen as “expansionist” by the USA and ASEAN which prompted China to launch the punitive raid into Vietnam in 1979. There was a real fear in ASEAN at the time — especially Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore — that the rest of Southeast Asia would be the next target of Vietnam which was part of the Soviet bloc. Vietnam became a pariah throughout the 80s until the collapse of the Soviet Union forced the Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia.

    The pro-Vietnamese propagandists would like to paint Vietnam’s invasion and occupation of Cambodia as “peaceful”. Nam Viet started out as a small Kingdom but has had its own history of waging colonialist/imperialist wars of aggression against its Southeast Asian neighbors — Khmer, Thai and Champa — the last one being completely absorbed by Nam Viet in what is now Southern Vietnam. Southeast Asians know their history of their own countries fighting against Nam Viet not China.To somehow insinuate otherwise is just wishful thinking among anti-China trolls here.

  285. @Just Passing Through

    China has many scores to settle, but they also don’t think in the same manner on how to settle the scores at all.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  286. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It didn’t work out perfectly at all, but it worked out sufficiently. Many(most?) wars are like that.

  287. antibeast 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    No, I get it: it was a grand master plan by China that worked out perfectly, as it could not have otherwise (since the CCP is infallible).

    It was part of the Cold War, nothing more, nothing less.

  288. Malla 说:
    @anon8383892

    and (in spite of the oft-touted lower average testosterone)

    Northern Chinese folk have a reputation of being very tough and macho and they along with Mongols are said to be similar to Eastern Slavs like Russians, Ukrainians etc… in temperament. Southern Chinese have a reputation of being more quite but also very business minded and clannish.

    • 谢谢: anon8383892
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Daniel Chieh
  289. antibeast 说:
    @Tinfoil bat

    I’m waiting to see how long unz can hold out before all out deep state subversion.

    Their paid trolls are already here at unz.com.

  290. @Smith

    Its a lot of words to observe that you still lost at everything in the end.

    • 回复: @Smith
  291. Alden 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Bob’s about my height, 5’3. I learned to hate liberals at Stanford. When I was there it was all Marxism and civil rights for blacks. The animals in the local black ghetto were beloved by the Marxist professors as angels in need of saving.

    The professors were madly in love with Mao’s China. America didn’t have relations with China then. Professors were all for diplomatic recognition of China.

    Only good thing about it was the library. The library where I learned the professors were liars.
    Well the men were good too. Thousands of tall handsome blue eyed young men. They finished their master’s in STEM and moved east to Mountain View where they invented Silicon Valley. 20 years later, after they invented Silicon Valley, they were all fired and replaced by Chinese and Indian coolies.

    Stanford invited Jesse Jackson and his thugs to rampage around campus beating up White women. Not men, but women.

    Hey ho, hey ho. Western civ has got to go the black thugs chanted. Ostensibly the black thugs meant the western civilization required course. Most colleges have eliminated that course. What the thugs and their Jew handlers really meant was eradication of European Christian and all white people.

    Most of the professors admired Mao and China and carried around Mao’s Little Red Book.

    American colleges and universities are the enemy, a very successful, enemy of Whites. I’d like to do to them what Henry 8 of England did to the catholic monasteries.

    Other than listening to the professors it was fun. All those gorgeous young men and more men than women. And a great library where I began my life long learning of the truths never taught in schools or colleges.
    Frankly, I’m surprised colleges haven’t burnt all the books published before 1980 in their libraries. The information in those libraries contradicts what’s currently taught in those colleges.

    I always read 2 different viewpoints on every subject. Unlike you, the advertising man for China. Really, your writings about China remind me of advertisements for the newest miracle diet pill.

    • 谢谢: Malla, Miro23
    • 回复: @Malla
    , @S
  292. Smith 说:
    @anon8383892

    When was the last time you see a chink riot in China?

    Ask yourself, aside from the free HK movement, most of the other uprisings were from Xinjiang’s Uighurs or anti-Deng Maoist rurals who don’t like the state government.

    Most of them are dealt with exactly like the HK rebels where immediate attempts are made to calm the people down (withdrawning bill, firing the current state official), then the leader of these dissident movements are immediately culled/martyred/shipped elsewhere. Meanwhile on Weibo and Wechat, there will be chinese voices telling people that these rioters are America/CIA spies. Even the staff that did a protest/strike for that Southern China Airlines got fired/demoted silently after the fact.

    China will not have internal problem as long as there exists foreign enemies that can be pointed finger to or the economy still going good. The government there deals with opponents with ruthless efficiency, this is why Hong Kongers fear of the extradition bill.

    The USA even wishes that it deals with political opponents the same way. Julian Assange would have biten the bullet if he was China’s political enemy.

  293. @Godfree Roberts

    Some people don’t understand that 40 years is a long, long time and countries can change vastly in such a period. If the China of today is still the China of 40 years ago, would the USA have even bothered with the Tariff Wars, the Pivot to Asia, the Indo-pacific Strategy, etc.? If the USA of today is still the USA of half a century ago would the current slumming of Skid Row be tolerated at all?

    The Chinese still call themselves “communist”, but are they REALLY communist? The USA calls itself a “republic” and a “democracy”, but is it REALLY those things?

    Rather than staring ourselves blind on the labels put on those countries, we should look at what policies they implement and the data on what effect those policies have.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  294. antibeast 说:
    @Smith

    妄想。

    Ever hear of the SCO? That’s the world’s largest regional security organization, far larger than NATO.

  295. GeeBee 说:

    ‘Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind it.’

    Half a day? You knew it was done by Mossad/US deep state using Saudi ‘patsies’ in just twelve hours? Pray tell how this was possible…

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Miro23
  296. Caltrop 说:

    希特勒总结道——

    “那些被愚弄的‘多数’以无记名投票方式选出的人称自己为代表,但不能指定他们的负责人。 这个过程被称为“民主”。 在民主政体中,基督徒的智慧一文不值,而多数人对一切都无足轻重。”

    “当美国公众认为一切都是虚假的时候,我们就会知道我们的虚假信息计划已经完成” 中央情报局局长威廉·凯西 1981 年 XNUMX 月

    摘自阿道夫·希特勒 (Adolph Hitler) 的著作《我的奋斗》第 138 页和第 139 页

    [更多]

    “………….如果我们考虑一下各国政府对公共生活中一系列真正有害的现象的态度,我们将立即认识到这种事倍功半的政策和缺乏承担责任的勇气的可怕意义。 我将只从我所知道的大量实例中挑出几个。

    在新闻界,将新闻界称为国家内的“大国”是一种令人愉快的习惯。 事实上,它的重要性是巨大的。 人们不能轻易地高估它,因为新闻界甚至在成年生活中也继续开展教育工作。 一般来说,报刊的读者可以分为三类:

    首先,那些相信他们所读到的一切的人;

    第二,那些不再相信任何东西的人;

    第三,那些批判性地检查他们所读到的内容并从他们的判断中形成的人。

    从数量上看,第一组是迄今为止最强的,由广大人民群众组成……………………。

    ……………………………………………………………………………………最小,是由自然的才华和教育教导要自然思考的真实知识分子组成的,在所有事物中都试图形成他们他们自己的判断,同时仔细筛选他们阅读的内容。 如果不使用自己的智慧与作家的智慧合作,他们不会阅读任何报纸,这自然不会让作家成为一件容易的事。 记者对这类读者的欣赏只有一定程度的保留。

    因此,报纸能够提供的垃圾对第三类读者来说几乎没有危险——更不用说重要了。 在大多数情况下,这些读者已经学会将每个记者从根本上视为有时说真话的流氓。 最不幸的是,这些读者的价值在于他们的智慧而不是他们的人数,这是在一个智慧无足轻重、多数人决定一切的时代的不幸状态。 如今,当群众的选票成为决定性因素时; 决定权掌握在人数最多的群体手中; 也就是说第一组,一群傻子和轻信者…………………………

    ……………………………………应特别注意新闻界; 因为它对这些人的影响是迄今为止最强烈​​、最深刻的; 因为它的影响不是暂时的,而是持续的。 它的巨大意义在于其教学的统一和持续重复。 在这里,如果在任何地方,国家都不应忘记所有手段都应汇聚到同一个目的。 它绝不能被所谓的“新闻自由”的意志所误导,或者被说服忽视自己的职责,不让国家看到好的和行善的东西。 国家必须以无情的决心控制这种大众教育工具,并将其用于为国家和民族服务…………………………。

    …………………………..难道不是德国媒体知道如何让我们的人民接受所有关于“西方民主”的荒谬言论,直到热情洋溢的公众最终准备将其未来托付给联盟国家? 这家媒体难道不是在我们的人民中造成一种道德败坏的状态吗? 是不是把道德和风水弄得荒唐可笑,落伍了,陈词滥调,直到最后我们的人民也变得现代化了?………………………………..

    ……………………………………所谓的自由报社的作用是为德国人民和帝国挖坟墓。 无需提及撒谎的马克思主义出版社。 对他们来说,传播谎言就像老鼠对猫一样重要。 他们的任务是打断人民的民族脊梁,从而使国家成为国际金融及其主人犹太人的奴隶……………………

    …………………………………….国家采取了哪些措施来抵制这种对公众思想的大规模毒化? 没有,完全没有。 希望通过这种政策赢得这种害虫的青睐——通过奉承,通过承认报刊的“价值”、它的重要性、它的“教育使命”和类似的胡说八道。 犹太人以会心的微笑承认了这一切,并表示感谢。”

    从第 132 页开始,“…………. 当然,与这些说谎者争论是不可能的,他们在某一时刻否认他们前一刻所说的话。 如果不是因为有许多轻率的人以鹦鹉的方式重复这一切,而不必受到任何邪恶动机的启发,我就不应该再多说什么了。 但是我在这里所做的观察也是为我们的战斗追随者准备的,因为现在人们所说的话经常被遗忘和曲解。”

    http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm

    • 同意: Ondra Hada
    • 谢谢: Malla
  297. Yee 说:

    史密斯,

    “The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.”

    That’s Indian thinking… Chinese leadership is much smarter.

    Geographically, Russia’s core region is in Europe, thousand of miles from China-Russia border, but China’s core region is much closer to the border.

    This means China would be much more vulnerable than Russia if we have a conflict. So it’s always in China’s interest to stay friendly with Russia. And, Russia’s heart and mind is in joining Europe, not picking fights in Asia, just don’t povoke them. This is why China and Russia settled all border dispute in 1998, way before the US turn agsinst Russia. It’s in both country’s interest to avoid conflict.

    India face the same geographic situation with China, but doing exactly the oppisite. From China-India border to New Delhi, a few hundred kilometers; to Beijing, 10x of that. Yet the Indian leadership keep trying their hardest to stir up anti-China.

    You know why India has no future? Because they’re stupid.

    • 同意: Miro23
    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
    , @Malla
  298. @antibeast

    …transmissions in South Korea, Italy and the USA because the hardest hit areas in those three countries are hardly visited by Chinese tourists nor inhabited by Chinese immigrants.=

    It is already sufficient that the initial carriers (most of them in January), irrespective of their ethnicity, had come from Wuhan. If subsequently specific areas were harder hit than others is a different issue and relates more appropriately to the effects of so-called “super-spreaders”.

    Transmissions in Korea were initially confined to the city of Daegu, where religious sect members infected one another.

    The first recorded cases in Italy were attributed to two Chinese tourists, who had visited Rome.

    In the US the West Coast infections came from China; East Coast infections came primarily from Europe.

    One would have had to track the movements of all international passengers who had flown from Wuhan airport over a period of at least three weeks prior to its closing on January 23 this year.

    It would be instructive to take a look at Taiwan; they happen to know the Chinese from Mainland China the best and therefore distrust them the most, so their response to the viral outbreak in Wuhan was most immediate. According to today’s figures the 世界计 they have reported a total 380 cases and five deaths.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  299. sarz 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks for answering a personal question. Your background comes as a surprise. It puts your statements about China in a different—and welcome—light. I would like to know how you evaluate China from spititual perspectives. I imagine that the leadership is consciously guided by Confucian ideals, such as is implicit in the image of the emperor facing due south, but I wonder about Taoist or Buddhist notions. I think it is necessary to rise to that level to find common ground with Tibet and Sinkiang, and indeed with Iran and Russia. It is important to not confuse historical (dialectical) ‘materialism’ with metaphysical materialism. I’d like to know where the Chinese elite are on these issues.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Anonymous
  300. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Tinfoil bat

    EXACTLY. The Deep State is cranking up all the old tropes and images, feeding into the very stereotypes they manufactured in the first place.

    China, Russia, the whole Eurasian landmass – these places are so immensely vast, and so very distant, that anything can be highlighted or outright invented about them, then repeated over and over, that people will believe it.

    There were stories published in World War One about the Germans systematically bayoneting babies in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. All absolute fabrication. The Germans of World War One were brutal, ruthless soldiers, but never outright murderers.

    In 1990, the story circulated of Iraqi soldiers forcibly throwing babies out of incubators. After the war, serious investigation of the”atrocity” revealed that nothing like that ever took place.

    There was an article stating that the CCP were throwing live corona patients into incinerators (in Wuhan) .No evidence just old file photos of incinerators and a photo on a pile of really out dated cell phones said to be belonging to the victims.

    Anyone with a basic understanding of propaganda sees right through this. It’s trying to evoke what worked in the past, the horror people naturally feel at such practices.

    But there’s a COLOSSAL problem with such reports: There’s not only zero evidence, there’s also zero suggestion of any “live cremations” from the substantial foreign medical presence in Wuhan, nor from any independent observers.

    The Deep State deceptions will NOT work.

  301. @Malla

    This is called “brown privilege”, when brown Indians oppress groups in their territory, it is not very activism-worthy for Western ethno-masochist liberals.

    The UK Labour party at one point began shilling for Kashmir (initiated by the large Pakistani contingent) and started losing their Indian voting blocs support. Oddly, despite being on average richer than Whites, Indians in the UK still vote overwhelmingly for Labour, although that might have changed recently as the Tory parry has started putting Indians in its top leadership (2 out of 4 highest elected positions are held by Indians)

    Jews deciding to flood the West with Muslims is also good for those oppressing Muslims as people have less tendency to believe tales of Muslim oppression when they hear Muslims on their own country whining about not being able to wear the burka in a bank or when Muslims blame poverty as a reason for rape gangs.

    • 回复: @Malla
  302. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    While it is good that China has a more balanced view of the value of women, it is not a good trend that they are tilting in the other direction.

    A more long-term harmonious solution would see equal treatment of both sexes and no preferences either way. Meritocracy uber alles.

  303. @Yee

    Russia will not be able to mobilise troops to its Eastern regions that quickly and it is highly unlikely they would use nukes if China were to simply invade that barren land. Your deceptions are good but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.

    Russia is currently on China’s side as they given them great economic stability in exchange for White technology. You don’t know how hard America is going against Russia at every turn, it is much harder than they are going against China meaning the two nations have a common foe. This is also why Russia continues to arm India, despite the latter increasingly falling into America’s sphere of influence it is as a guarantee against China.

    Russia are still going beyond the call of duty by offering Indians nuclear submarines, why would they be bolstering India’s second strike capabilities?

    The hard truth of geopolitics is that the goal is either to come out as a superpower in a unipolar world or if you cannot do that, create a multipolar one.

    And by the way, it is irrelevant how close the borders are to the capital, if the armies of either nation were making a drive to each others capital, nuclear weapons would be used. So if anything, the nation which has its capital closer to the border is at an advantage because they can use nuclear weapons much quicker.

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force. China meanwhile would be spooked if Russians invaded their Northern frontier as they would be very close to Beijing.

    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @Daniel Chieh
  304. @Mary Marianne

    China is a people’s republic (in contradistinction to an elite republic, like Rome’s and America’s) that was founded by the Communist Party.

    It’s not and does not pretend to be a communist country. At some point in the future, perhaps as soon as 2121, it will become communist, but that requires enormous maturity of the entire population, which will take time.

    In the meantime its economy is mixed socialist/capitalist but, starting on June 1 of next year, will become increasingly socialist again until its Gini coefficient is below Finland’s. They hope to reach that point by 2035.

    My point is that China never is something. It’s always in the process of 成为 something (he not busy being born is busy dying).

    • 回复: @fatmanscoop
  305. @sarz

    Only when the granary is full can virtue be practiced, and China will be filling her granary until 2049.

    It’s not that virtue will be ignored until then.

    The Social Credit program is part of the foundation for a virtuous society because the Chinese know that changing behavior changes subjectivity.

    By 2050 the plan is for everyone to have leisure time for the arts and contemplation and we will see radical Taoism come to the fore: the realization that the Nature of Existence is inherently and tacitly obvious if we remain in a state of pleasurable oneness with whatever and all that presently arises.

    Hence the need for leisure.

  306. antibeast 说:
    @Been_there_done_that

    It is already sufficient that the initial carriers (most of them in January), irrespective of their ethnicity, had come from Wuhan. If subsequently specific areas were harder hit than others is a different issue and relates more appropriately to the effects of so-called “super-spreaders”.

    Sorry but the hardest hit areas such as New York, Lombardy and Daegu are NOT cities with lots of Chinese immigrants or tourists. If your “super-spreader” theory is true, then San Francisco, Milan, Prato and Seoul should have been hit the hardest because those cities have the highest number of either Chinese immigrants or Chinese tourists. New York City has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases as San Francisco where 25-30% of the population are Chinese. Moreover, San Francisco is visited by 15M tourists every year including Chinese tourists from mainland China. The numbers don’t make sense at all.

    Transmissions in Korea were initially confined to the city of Daegu, where religious sect members infected one another.

    Yes but Chinese tourists don’t visit Daegu nor are there Chinese immigrants living there. So where did the Covid-19 virus come from?

    The first recorded cases in Italy were attributed to two Chinese tourists, who had visited Rome.

    Rome is outside of Lombardy which is in Northern Italy, the center of the Covid-19 outbreak. So how come Rome didn’t get hit the hardest considering it sees millions of tourists during the peak winter season?

    In the US the West Coast infections came from China; East Coast infections came primarily from Europe.

    If that were true, then California not New York should have been the hardest hit. Besides, the outbreak in Lombardy and Veneto in Northern Italy were not in big cities like Milan but in small cities like Bergamo, Codogno, Padua, etc. How many Italians from those small cities visit New York?

    One would have had to track the movements of all international passengers who had flown from Wuhan airport over a period of at least three weeks prior to its closing on January 23 this year.

    That’s not needed. All that needs to be done is to do massive testing for Covid-19 antibodies in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, Rhode Island, Connecticut, etc. to collect the statistical data of where and how the viral transmission took place in the US Northeast. If a substantial number of people in the US Northeast had already been exposed to and subsequently developed antibodies against Covid-19, then the timeframe for the viral transmission can be mapped using regression analysis.

    It would be instructive to take a look at Taiwan; they happen to know the Chinese from Mainland China the best and therefore distrust them the most, so their response to the viral outbreak in Wuhan was most immediate. According to today’s figures the Worldometer they have reported a total 380 cases and five deaths.

    Almost all the touristy areas in Asia had a few hundred cases at most. That’s why I am discounting the “Out-of-Wuhan” theory because these Asian cities such as Bangkok, Singapore, Taipei, Seoul, Tokyo, Phuket, etc. should have been the hardest hit areas in the world. Lots of Chinese immigrants and/or Chinese tourists visit, live or work in these Asian cities. But hardly any viral pandemic. Same with San Francisco, Vancouver, Los Angeles, etc. in North America.

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
  307. @Daniel Chieh

    That’s all well and good for now, but as China rises and America falls, there will be less and less reasons for China to hold back on military action. For now it is projecting the image of peace and development of the Third World. But the truth is that it is not in China’s interests to see the Third World developed, as they would lose their captive market.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  308. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    From what I have seen, there are these main cultural factors in play in today’s China.

    First, there is the stereotypical willing obedience and organized nature of the society. This whole natural tendency to hierarchy and unified action has its closest Western parallel in aspects of German culture. If the Chinese were ONLY obedient and organized, then they might only be a version of Japan or Korea, but there is definitely something else at work:

    Second, they exhibit a sort of endurance and willingness to work under the harshest conditions, a toughness and persistence in mastering challenges which reminds me of the Russian mind set. For example, they will build infrastructure anywhere, and keep building whether it’s in the mountains, in the deserts, in tropical humidity or in harsh winter conditions. They will get things done, whatever the thing is.

    Third, they have this attitude that they can and should attempt to do anything, because they think everything is possible, nothing is impossible. Anything can work, any goal can be achieved, and an ambitious and visionary person or company just has to make the right moves, put in the work and have a bit of luck. The closest Western parallel to this is a sort of frontier American ethos.

    Think of a society in continuous dynamic transformation, undergoing extremely rapid change. That is China

    • 谢谢: Malla
  309. antibeast 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Russia will not be able to mobilise troops to its Eastern regions that quickly and it is highly unlikely they would use nukes if China were to simply invade that barren land. Your deceptions are good but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.

    China has very little reason to take Eastern Russia. That part of Eurasia suffers from extreme weather during cold winters which hardly makes them ideal for human settlement. Even Russia has a hard time convincing Russians to settle there. The habitable areas are cities all the way to the Sea of Japan like Vladivostok which is now turning into a tourist trap for Chinese, Japanese and South Korean tourists.

    Russia is currently on China’s side as they given them great economic stability in exchange for White technology. You don’t know how hard America is going against Russia at every turn, it is much harder than they are going against China meaning the two nations have a common foe. This is also why Russia continues to arm India, despite the latter increasingly falling into America’s sphere of influence it is as a guarantee against China.

    Your view is absurd. The USA has NATO setup against Russia in Europe while the USA has to rely on Japan and South Korea against China in the East. If you’re talking about sanctions against Russia, that’s because US corporations are hardly invested in Russia unlike China. India? They’re a fair-weather friend just like Vietnam. In fact, both India and Vietnam are looking at the USA as potential allies against China. But that pisses off Russia who’s their historical ally going back to the days of the USSR.

    Russia are still going beyond the call of duty by offering Indians nuclear submarines, why would they be bolstering India’s second strike capabilities?

    往上看。

    The hard truth of geopolitics is that the goal is either to come out as a superpower in a unipolar world or if you cannot do that, create a multipolar one.

    Both Russia and China are the founding members of the SCO which is the largest regional security organization in Asia. The SCO has the potential of becoming the Asian equivalent of NATO in the coming decades, with or without the rapidly declining USA Empire. Same as the EU nations which are expected to form their own security organization independent of NATO.

    And by the way, it is irrelevant how close the borders are to the capital, if the armies of either nation were making a drive to each others capital, nuclear weapons would be used. So if anything, the nation which has its capital closer to the border is at an advantage because they can use nuclear weapons much quicker.

    The idea of nuclear warfare against neighboring nuclear-armed States is idiotic nonsense. You might as well commit mass 切腹.

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force. China meanwhile would be spooked if Russians invaded their Northern frontier as they would be very close to Beijing.

    China has very little need to acquire those frigidly cold areas in Eastern Russia other than the natural resources there such as oil, natural gas, etc. which can be traded with manufactured goods from China. Same case with Japan and South Korea. Trade and investment is the name of the game. That’s the rationale for China’s BRI.

  310. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @sarz

    such as is implicit in the image of the emperor facing due south

    The ruler facing south is not an original Confucian concept. It is more an ancient Chinese idea.

    It goes back thousands of years before Confucianism, and most directly comes from Geomancy/Feng Shui, stemming directly from ancient shamanist/Daoist concepts of the Cosmos.

  311. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    This is called “brown privilege”, when brown Indians oppress groups in their territory, it is not very activism-worthy for Western ethno-masochist liberals.

    Very true, it is this hypocritical behaviour of the Western Left is how I woke up from being a libtard myself many years ago. I supported the liberals once as I believed in a world of equality (I was an idiot then) but a lot of things about the Western libtards were just weird and suspicious. I realized the Western libtards are some of the biggest racists on this planet, anti-White racists.

    Oddly, despite being on average richer than Whites, Indians in the UK still vote overwhelmingly for Labour,

    Non Whites tend to vote for leftard parties such as Labour in the UK and Democrats in the USA even tho these parties support wierdo and leftard policies like promiscuous behaviour, anti-family policies, homosexuality etc… polices which the conservative immigrants themselves oppose for their own families/communities because they instinctively know that these leftard parties are the traitor parties, traitors to their own nations. Hence the vote for leftard parties.

    But these days both the Right and the Left parties are traitors to their own nations. That is because the Right supports Globalist Capitalism over the interests of their own nations while the new Left no longer cares about the local Working classes. The White working classes were used in the past by the Left to gain political power but now they have been tossed away like used toilet paper.

    Jews deciding to flood the West with Muslims is also good for those oppressing Muslims as people have less tendency to believe tales of Muslim oppression

    同意

  312. Malla 说:
    @Yee

    You know why India has no future? Because they’re stupid.

    Unfortunately that is true. Some of the Indian deep State folk are so childish especially w.r.t China, it scares the shit out of me. Add to that the rising arrogance of the low IQ masses all blabbering about India, this most ancient land has being humiliated by the Entire World, India needs to take her rightful place was Jagat-Guru, “World Teacher” or basically “World Leader”. You have a childish deep state and their army of low IQ zombie chattering masses.

  313. Malla 说:
    @Alden

    Most of the professors admired Mao and China and carried around Mao’s Little Red Book.
    Hey ho, hey ho. Western civ has got to go the black thugs chanted. Ostensibly the black thugs meant the western civilization required course.

    How many of these misfits i.e jew marxist profs and their pet black thugs, actually escape “evul White America” and escape to the paradise of Mao’s China or jump across the Berlin Wall going to the East or swim off to Cuba? Not many, I am guessing. It is strange how the Western lovers of Marxism rarely live in outright Communist countries but still prefer to live in “evul Capitalist West”.

    Stanford invited Jesse Jackson and his thugs to rampage around campus beating up White women. Not men, but women.

    Freakin Disgusting.

    • 回复: @S
  314. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It’s not “because”, it’s “but”.

    China is not a debt predator BUT the USA is, IS a debt predator, and provides an appallingly EXTREME example of a debt predator.

    Looking at China, yes, they are lending, but not more than necessary which is precisely what the US economic hit men are for. China is assisting infrastructure development along the belt and wherever they lend. And China has shown itself capable of writing off debt.

  315. @Fatidicus

    Evidence, please. Not just wild accusations. The. Frankfurt school were Jews, he was not. That there was a joint conspiracy between him and them is not credible in the absence of evidence. He obviously had a lot on his mind, but it was not Frankfurt School economics.

    • 回复: @Fatidicus
  316. denk 说:
    @Smith

    白痴,

    The PLA withdrew at their own leisure, 任务完成。

    If they were retreating with VC at hot persuit, that’d be a rout, the way your sugar daddies left Nam.

    USA a cancer’

    但是…..
    https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/uss-theodore-roosevelt-arrives-in-vietnam-becoming-second-us-carrier-to-visit-since-the-1970s-1.621313

    Three millions Vietnamese sacrifised their lives to kick out the great satan, for nuthin.

    多么可怜。

    PS
    Why cant you reply to me directly, why so shy ?

    • 回复: @Smith
  317. denk 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    嘿,笨蛋,

    What’r all these craps about the war in 1979 ?
    Is this a misdirection ?

    WTF are you still doing in Syria, Afghan, Iraq Okinawa…..?
    You aint wanted , get the fuck outta there 很快

    You’r the cancer of the planet, get it ?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  318. @Just Passing Through

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force.

    This shows even less understanding of Russia.

    https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/why-russia-calls-a-limited-nuclear-strike-de-escalation/

  319. @Just Passing Through

    China did have hegemonic power in Asia for a millennia; the most significant intervention was just to counter the Japanese invasion of Korea. Then as now, the Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization” to which force has been typically seen as barbaric – there are a few papers on it, which note the generally negative perception of warriors in China as opposed to Europe or Japan(as an outlier). This is why despite Uyghur’s practicing unhesitant genocide of the Han when they had power, even the Communists haven’t attempted to “reduce the Uyghur” population even through expropriation like Myanmar on Muslims. To “convert a population” or if one wants to see it as such, to “destroy their cultural distinctiveness” is a higher, more noble and more significant victory than to simply kill.

    As a nation does engage in irredentism, but on a much slower level with unusual considerations(to others). For example, I’m still oddly grateful to Germany since my ancestors were directly assisted by Germany(and even Nazi German):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German-trained_divisions_of_the_National_Revolutionary_Army

    And beyond that, China has never been as united as suggested. While the familial clan has declined, it still is a giant nation of many factions. Racial and co-ethnic unity is extremely minimal (and in many ways, explicitly discouraged due to Sinic 通化 tradition).

    • 回复: @d dan
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
  320. @Malla

    Being part Mongol myself, I’ve always wondered why other Chinese seem so obsessively passive. I’m reminded of what an ancient traveler said of the Chinese: “Men of great strategy and cleverness with no valor whatsoever. It is as if cowardice is a virtue for them.”

    What is valor and what is bloodlust, I suppose, is a matter of opinion and framing.

    • 谢谢: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  321. @denk

    Yup, paying for more Green New Deals here. Gracias!

  322. GeeBee 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Ha! Very good. But that kind of ‘logic’ apart, it’s an extraordinary statement to make. It took me a decade to get my head around it all (and I still don’t think I quite have, actually).

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  323. @Godfree Roberts

    At some point in the future, perhaps as soon as 2121, it will become communist, but that requires enormous maturity of the entire population, which will take time.

    Ah so you really are delusional

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  324. S 说:
    @Alden

    Frankly, I’m surprised colleges haven’t burnt all the books published before 1980 in their libraries. The information in those libraries contradicts what’s currently taught in those colleges.

    Yes, I’m surprised about that too. I’ve been amazed at some of the stuff I’ve come across at the two ‘Making of America’ sites (online, scanned in, largely 19th century libraries of US journals, magazines, and books) each sponsored by a northern US college.

    But then, what do the powers that be have to fear? Modern US society has been increasingly dumbed down and ultimately few take the time to read and digest these old books and journals.

    Relatedly, I have heard it suggested that tptb do tell us (if at times a bit cryptically) what their plans are, which I lean towards being the case.

    I’ve concluded, sadly, that they can get away with doing that because far too many people everywhere (myself certainly being far from perfect in this regard) all too often have an aversion to hard truths, and would rather either tell themselves, or, have others tell them, comforting and reassuring (though not necessarily truthful) platitudes.

    In regards to old books being burned, should the United States experience it’s own Red October 2.0, followed by a vicious Russian style ‘Civil War’, something I think quite likely, we may yet see those old college libraries burned.

    And, in the future, Brave New World like, only a ruling council of so called self declared ‘progressive’ sorts would have access to the old writings which survive, which are kept ‘safely’ hidden away from most everyday people in a vault.

  325. @GeeBee

    No one does, it was the mind-fuck to end all mind-fucks (although Corona might give it a run for its money). Still, the main contours are reasonably clear.

  326. @fatmanscoop

    “Delusional” doesn’t even remotely describe the guy. I’m not even sure “insane” would.

    • 巨魔: Godfree Roberts
  327. denk 说:

    On the other side of the debate, there are figures like George Soros, Peter Thiel, and disgraced and exiled billionaire criminal Guo Wengui who see the Chinese pseudo-National Socialist system as antifragile in the face of the passive liberal subversion that helped take down the Soviet Union

    .

    Dont forget the brain behind Trump’s trade 闪电战...

    Pete Navarro,
    The Most Dangerous Man in Trump World
    How Peter Navarro could lead us into a global depression—or worse.

    Controlled demolition of the world economy.
    Mission accomplished ?

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/peter-navarro-trump-trade-china-214772

    • 回复: @Grahamsno(G64)
    , @denk
  328. d dan 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    “Then as now, the Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization”…”

    You write in excellent English, but I am afraid your writing is too “Chinese” for most western people to appreciate.

    Anyway, thank you (and several other posters) for your attempts to rebut some of the trolls and haters here. Hopefully you guys’ efforts manage to educate other more intelligent and neutral readers.

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
    • 谢谢: Daniel Chieh
  329. Fatidicus 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “Frankfurt School economics”

    The frankfurt school had little to do with economics. And I never said anything about a conspiracy. His philosophy is simply very compatible with Frankfurt schoolers. A big contribution that meshes perfectly with them is the paradox of tolerance which is the rationalization used by the neoliberal system to just handwave away the fact that it uses power to enforce itself just like any other system.

  330. @Malla

    Do you think bhutan can stay independent or is China finally wise to the Indian cunning youknow, fool me once.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
    , @Malla
  331. @Tor597

    Agree 100% on India. I want nothing to do with these people and it has more to do than lack of infrastructure. In order to manufacture you need to have a wide base of workers who can be compliant and work together. India is the opposite. Indians are good at being lawyers and pundits, but little else.

    Then if you don’t want us to complain, complain to your politicians and CEO’s who pick our best students from our best colleges and give them jobs. Why should corporate executives do this? Ask them instead of piling on us we after all aren’t Mexican mules.

  332. @denk

    Just shut the fuck up you’re just like that Holocaust wally a single minded simpleton.

  333. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    The Chinese on these boards have told me that China is a nation of peace and that territorial expansionism is not part of their ethos.

    Why would China ever infringe on the sovereignty of a small nation like Bhutan? Surely China is a counterweight to the evil USA imperialists and only has the Third World’s best interests in mind when they foist huge loans upon low-IQ nations?

    Or is China not as harmless as they say?

  334. @Daniel Chieh

    Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization”

    I actually believe that – Your ancient civilization didn’t glorify warriors unlike the militarism of the ‘Knights of Europe’ or the Samurai of Japan. Your civilization was always bureaucratic – the inventors of Bureaucracy – fast forwarding to the modern world I mean now how retarded is it to throw all the non basket case countries into America’s arms, fuck Trump but the Geopolitical record shows that you’ve with your immense power thrown all the countries that matter in Asia into American arms – Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and India – Australia also though that doesn’t matter – Where’s your ancient diplomatic skills – You’re in the eyes of the world a Wealthy North Korea – that’s all that it is. A Wealthy shithole like Dubai with nukes – You’ll never fire the imagination of the world with your politically embarrassing system – fucking Xi Jin Ping apps OMG give me a break Winnie the Poobah, how on earth after Mao could you again get into a cult of personality – that’s why nobody will take you seriously with your alternative model in today’s internet world we will speak and not be arrested.

    Throw money at the world but money can’t buy you love – I’m so glad that India didn’t fall for yor belt and road project – sounds like a psycho B grade horror movie.

    How fucking shameful it is to again get into a personality cult after Mao again don’t you Chinese intellectuals have an ounce of integrity?

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Malla
    , @denk
  335. @Malla

    Look Malla,

    Deeply into the mirror, smearing your hair with shit and wearing blue contact lenses doesn’t make you a blue eyed blonde , how you wish you were but you aren’t , so stop degrading yourself amongst these people who calls you a ‘Streetshitter’ a ‘Wog’, have some self confidence BOY, you rant against Jews and Blacks what have they done to you in India, have you met a fucking Jew who screwed you financially or a black who shot you or your relatives – I bet not, why do you post such white nationalist shit if you’re in India, what an piece of shit you’re. Nobody respects you if you don’t respect yourself.

    I’ll give you a compliment white cocksucker – a complete waste of brains.

    • 巨魔: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  336. Malla 说:
    @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Do you think bhutan can stay independent

    Bhutan is not 100% independent. India controls it too much.

  337. Malla 说:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    It is definitely not about blond hair, blue eyes, vampire fangs and elvish ears. It is not only about Yemen or India or Egypt or Brazil on one hand nor only about Britain, Germany or Japan on the other. It is not about greedy kikes looting you out and masturbating to World Rule porn nor about niggers going nuts and burning down their own block.
    It is about the fuckery of the third world. A fuckery which kills ones soul, some admit it some do not. And the horror is seeing the first world inevitably (it is INEVITABLE as things look now a days) moving in the direction of the “great brotherhood of third world shitholes”. Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    • 回复: @fatmanscoop
    , @S
  338. Malla 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    why other Chinese seem so obsessively passive.

    We Indians have a similar reputation too. The turbanned Sikhs of the North Western parts along with other (more Caucasoid looking) populations of the North West of the subcontinent such as the Jats, Pathan, little bit into the interior you get the desert dwelling Rajputs and the Maratha of the hills (Both still in the North West region) and the Gurkhas of the Nepali hills as well as other more Mongoloid looking North Easterners are the tough ones of the Indian subcontinent.
    The rest of the population while not passive are very thuggish but not a population good at war, indeed quite pathetic at war. They are tough and rude with each other, bully each other but when facing a real enemy army, have a reputation of peeing on the battle field and running away, screaming. Kind of, like most niggers. I blamed our Australoid ancestry for this but there might be something else at play too.

    It could be the masses of some regions of China and most of India were predominantly farming populations with huge populations. Populations lucky in owning some of the best richest agricultural real estate in the world hence larger Malthusian limits. Populations having grain heavy carbohydrate diets, populations farming the soil and bowing down to who ever is boss. Populations invaded by and conquered by and lorded over by pastoralists of the North (in China’s case Mongols, Manchus etc… in India’s case Sythians, White Huns, Turks, Mughals/Uzbeks/Mongols/Uyghurs) but populations who by sheer inertia and numbers would end up digesting its more vigorous ruler ethnics via breeding with time.

  339. Malla 说:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    immense power thrown all the countries that matter in Asia into American arms – Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and India – Australia

    Just like “peaceful, Gandhian, yoga & meditation and land of mysteries” India by her actions and arrogance is throwing all other South Asian countries like Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh into Red China’s arms. I do not even bring Pakistan to the table.
    Bhutan would make the jump to the other side in a second too but they do not control their own foreign policy, Indian do it for them. The same Indians who complain about those paternalistic Brits who once ran the Government of India for them. Wot woz dat word again…. hypo… what…hypocrisis something.. hypocricket…

    • 回复: @Anon
  340. Smith 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Lost at everything? We still have our land.

    That’s not losing everything, considering we didn’t even have our land just 50 years prior.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  341. Smith 说:
    @denk

    Except the USA withdrew on their own pleasure, while chinks were running so fast they leave some of their own get captured by vietnamese militiamen, as shown in the picture above in my post.

    And we sacrificed to get our independence, not to get controlled by either USA or China. China doesn’t want to free us, they just want the US out so they can invade instead. US-China then teams up to fuck viets.

    • 回复: @denk
    , @antibeast
  342. @Malla

    @Grahamsno(G64) is taking the typical Jew position. They will tell you that Jews are wonderful and whitey is evil and you need to let the Jew take you under his wing because the white man is so dangerous and you the poor brown need protection. If you’re unwilling to take that protection they hurl abuse at you.

    He’ll tell you that the white man calls you a “street shitter” but you’re supposed to ignore that the benevolent SJW is calling you an “idiot”, a “cocksucker”, and a “piece of shit”.

    These are the benevolent types that are trying to protect you from evil whitey. LOL.

    • 回复: @Malla
  343. @Smith

    You also have your stupidity and inability to comprehend but China has no interest in acquiring either.

    • 回复: @Smith
  344. Yee 说:

    Just Passing Through,

    ‘’but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.‘’

    Talks like a greedy little Indian who can’t see beyond what he can grab within reach of his hand. What is grapping a little piece of land compared to the general rise of the whole country?

    It’s also typical Indian thinking to imagine the whole world is on India’s side … LOL

    Of course distance to your core region matters in a war. Because it means whether it’s possible to keep your country still running. War is not just weapons, it’s supplies and logistic.

  345. denk 说:
    @denk

    Pete ‘lets smash China’ Navarro, most dangerous man in the Washington cesspool

    BUt you aint seen nuthin yet…

    [[[They]]] would bring on a global depression….or 更坏.

    Do you know what uncle sham does for a living ?
    He operates a demolition outfit.

    We offer a wide range of services,
    Controlled demolition of buildings,
    Controlled demolition of markets,
    Controlled demolition of the entire planet,
    Just name your price !

    The U.S. is run by xtian nutjobs who believe that [[[they]]] are gawd’s chosen ones to rule the world, its their prerogative to bring on a final conflagration in which the righteous will vanquish the wicked.”

    Exihit A
    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mike-pence-mike-pompeo-belong-doomsday-cult-may-trying-bring-apocalypse/

    • 回复: @fatmanscoop
  346. Anon[339]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    如果印度傲慢,他们就会支持孟加拉国的印度教徒和斯里兰卡的泰米尔人。

    India is run by naive liberal retards. So instead of using Hindus to take over Bangladesh, they let 30 million Bangladeshi Muslims into their country.

    There’s no way British would’ve been stupid enough to let the Muslim Bangladeshi govt slaughter millions of their people. The British don’t hesitate to send their military everywhere (often slaughtering many innocents), Indian govt hesitates to send the military next door.

    India is a clown country.

  347. denk 说:
    @Smith

    Wow, some stragglers lost their way got waylaid by VC militias, 大不了的。

    murkkans left by their own pleasure,

    ROTFLMAO, !

    You’r an even bigger idiot than I thought,
    Look at that pic, the murkkans were fighting to get on that last chopper leaving Nam.
    ‘At their pleasure‘ your ass.

    US-China then teams up to fuck viets.

    I heard as soon as the Roosevelt docked in Nam Port, thousands of GI’S fanned out to screw Viet chicks, their fav sports.
    Like Saigon in the 60’s, oh the nostalgia.

    All that sacrifice to kick out the murkkans , but back to square one now.

    叹…。

  348. @Malla

    It is about the fuckery of the third world. A fuckery which kills ones soul, some admit it some do not. And the horror is seeing the first world inevitably (it is INEVITABLE as things look now a days) moving in the direction of the “great brotherhood of third world shitholes”. Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    Could you expand a bit on what you’re referring to here, perhaps? Your posts are great reading, BTW.

    • 回复: @Malla
  349. Anon[339]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    India didn’t crush Kashmir. Kashmiri Muslims used violence to force out Hindu Pandits. Then Kashmiri Muslims started terrorism to get an independent country.

    The weak, cowardly, liberal Congress Party permitted all of this.

    White countries are more violent and nationalistic, so they take revenge for terrorist attacks. Congress are liberal retards, so they and liberal Hindu media scream about “communalism.”

    Congress retards are more anti-BJP than they are anti-Muslim.

    Sikhs killed Indira Gandhi. They waged terrorism to drive out Hindus.

    I agree with you about northeasterners, especially Bhutan. Bhutanese shouldn’t have to live with the barbarism of Hindus and even more barbaric Muslims.

    • 回复: @Malla
  350. @denk

    美国是 run by xtian nutjobs who believe that [[[they]]] are gawd’s chosen ones to rule the world, its their prerogative to bring on a final conflagration in which the righteous will vanquish the wicked.”

    Evangeli-idiots have a subordinate role, it’s clearly not correct to say that they have serious influence or “run” the USA. They just suborn themselves to the order – e.g. making fools of themselves by completely misreading the Bible in order to demonstrate their submission to Jewry.

    • 回复: @denk
  351. Smith 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    If China has no need to acquiring Vietnam, China wouldn’t occupy and vassalage Vietnam.

    You are speaking bold lies despite the historical precedence and modern history. Government changes, but the geopolitics remain the same.

    Also, for the chink shills who continue to repeat the lies about how Vietnam “expansionist”, please list the formal complaints of other nations to the UN against Vietnam when Vietnam invaded Kampuchea to remove Pol Pot (who attacked Vietnam first btw).

    This bold lie continues to be peddled here and I will be here to question every freaking times, and show how the chinks betrayed the Marxist/Commienism world in the 70s by siding with americans to fuck Vietnam and USSR by proxy.

    • 哈哈: Daniel Chieh
    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  352. @Smith

    If China has no need to acquiring Vietnam, China wouldn’t occupy and vassalage Vietnam.

    它的 可爱的 that you think that you’re so valuable, but Annam was a time when land equaled wealth. That isn’t the case anymore.

    This bold lie continues to be peddled here and I will be here to question every freaking times, and show how the chinks betrayed the Marxist/Commienism

    I am literally the descendant of Chinese trained and armed by fascists who killed commies their entire life.

    This “betrayal” of Marx hurts me deep, it really does.

  353. @Anonymous

    Worst pandemic in 100 years??? H1N1 killed more people than this.

  354. denk 说:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    I’m so glad that India didn’t fall for yor belt and road project – sounds like a psycho B grade horror movie.

    同意。
    You Hindutva habors an exceptionalism just like your anglo cousins.
    If you dont run the show, no deal.
    Every regional initiatives were wrecked by your participation /absence.

    南亚区域合作联盟
    OBOR,
    金砖五国
    RCEP
    YOu name it.

    Your absence is welcomed.
    Goodbye and good riddance.

    After all, you guys always prefer to brown nose your anglo cousins innit ?

    https://www.island.lk/2006/03/01/features7.html

  355. Malla 说:
    @fatmanscoop

    Could you expand a bit on what you’re referring to here, perhaps?

    Well you can say my main philosophy is ‘First Worldism.’ You could say Ryan Faulk is my guru of sorts because his ideas seemed the most sensible to me. Maybe Mr. Unz could invite him to write articles here. What I mean is that the populations of Third World nations ON AVERAGE make choices choices due to which we remain third world shitholes full of despair, poverty, depression, suffering and fuckery. And these tendencies are more common in brown black populations both culturally and genetically. And I am brown and I have lived/traveled for years in the Third World both India and other countries as well as many First World countries.
    And with time, I see the West becoming more and more third world (because of the falling percentage of White population, race mixing & third world like behaviour pushed by the Satanic Cultural Marxist media). There will be fewer First Worlds to escape to in case you get tired of the Third World.

    Your posts are great reading, BTW.

    Many thanks for your kind words.

    • 回复: @fatmanscoop
  356. Malla 说:
    @Anon

    India didn’t crush Kashmir.

    We did. Our Government just did not tell us. I came to know all this much later. But that is what happens in many nations. See how brain washed many Chinese are here. Their Govt will not tell them what they do in Tibet or Xinjiang. Even Bangladesh has its own separatist problem, where the Chittagong Hill Tracts people want independence from Dhaka and the Bangladeshi Govt brutally suppresses them.

    Kashmiri Muslims used violence to force out Hindu Pandits.

    The Pundits were considered traitors by the other Kashmiris who want independence from India. Anyways what was done to Kashmiri Pundits was wrong and they should be given justice too.

    White countries are more violent and nationalistic, so they take revenge for terrorist attacks.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. When London was bombed, not many Muslims living in the UK were attacked by native Brits. There was no large scale anti-Muslim riots.

  357. Malla 说:

    如果印度傲慢,他们就会支持孟加拉国的印度教徒和斯里兰卡的泰米尔人。

    We do interfere in our neighbouring countries. Our external secret service RAW (Research & Analysis Wing trained by the CIA after the 1962 war debacle with P.R. China) engineers election victories in places like Sri Lanka and Nepal for parties more friendlier to India. We sneakily tried to screw PM KP Sharma Oli of Nepal and Mahinda Rajapaksa Govt of Sri Lanka. If a neighbouring nation tries to chalk a more independent path for themselves we cannot stand it and try to interfere. There are many many such cases which are rarely spoken about in our media but if you check out Nepali, Sri Lankan or Bangladeshi media or some Bhutanese blogs, you come to know all this. And the more we interfere, more they run to China’s scaley dragon arms.
    海报 DB Cooper 和 denk 有很多关于这个主题的帖子,其中大部分都是真实的。

    英国毫不犹豫地将军队派往各地(经常屠杀许多无辜者),印度政府则犹豫是否将军队派往隔壁。

    派遣军队实际上让你看起来很糟糕,历史会把你记录为侵略者。 最好让我们的秘密服务部门完成您的工作。

    因此,他们没有利用印度教徒来接管孟加拉国,而是让 30 万孟加拉国穆斯林进入他们的国家。

    是的,那 30 万应该被排除在外。 顺便说一下,孟加拉国的谢赫哈西纳政府(人民党)更加世俗,因此对孟加拉国印度教徒等非穆斯林更加友好。 许多孟加拉国民族主义者/伊斯兰主义者认为她是孟加拉国的叛徒和印度的走狗。
    甚至像print.in这样的印度媒体也写过这个
    https://theprint.in/opinion/global-print/why-india-supports-the-invincible-sheikh-hasina-who-is-censoring-democracy-in-bangladesh/171970/
    为什么印度支持无敌的谢赫哈西娜——他正在审查孟加拉国的民主

    [更多]

    孟加拉国报纸达卡论坛报关于现任总理如何声称反印度的孟加拉国党 BNP 也接近 RAW。 印度外部特勤局 RAW 与现在的反对党孟加拉政党 BNP(不是英国 BNP 政党或法国银行公司 BTW,dis 1 是 da 孟加拉民族主义党)在掌权时有多接近。
    https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/politics/2017/03/11/raw-agent-bnp
    PM:RAW 经纪人一直在 BNP 办公室

    发布者 Raisuddin Anwar on 周二,12月31,2013

    Facebook 上来自孟加拉国的一些低智商穆斯林基金。 哈哈
    谢赫哈西娜是印度多神论者和美国十字军的代理人
    这些低智商的穆斯林眼底和我们低智商的印度教眼底是一大堆。

    https://scroll.in/article/939979/in-bangladesh-a-students-murder-opens-a-window-on-rising-anti-india-sentiment-across-the-border
    在孟加拉国,一名学生被谋杀为跨境反印情绪高涨打开了一扇窗
    Rising anti-India sentiment amongst Bangladeshi youth because of India’s close interference in Bangladeshi affairs.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  358. Malla 说:
    @suicidal_canadian

    Hey thanks for your post.

    He’ll tell you that the white man calls you a “street shitter” but you’re supposed to ignore

    The same B.S. Uncle Tom B.S. Truth is the truth “Street shitter” or “head wobbler” Facts are facts and I will continue sayin it.

    Jew take you under his wing because the white man is so dangerous and you the poor brown need protection.

    This brown man needs protection from Whitey is prime grade B.S. Actually the Brown man needs to team up with Whitey and Yellow man and Red man and even Black man to protect us from becoming slaves of the (((chosen))).

    I do not know who this Grahamsno(G64) is. He however does not seem Jewish as he has written about the holohoax B.S.
    Maybe he is Indian. There may be more Indians on Unz than I thought.

  359. @antibeast

    Lots of Chinese immigrants and/or Chinese tourists visit, live or work in these Asian cities.=

    Your reasoning is simplistic and deceptive because you keep referring generically to “Chinese tourists” and “Chinese immigrants”. Most Chinese tourists do not come from Wuhan, as you appear to insinuate, which is not even among the five most populated cities in the country, whereas Chinese immigrants could not have been carriers if they had not just recently visited Wuhan. Infected hot spots develop from secondary and tertiary carriers, and so on; Chinese people are not required for this infection process chain.

    One unknowingly infected person sneezing into the air within a crowded soccer stadium on a windy day, or at a Carnival parade crowded with onlookers, can infect far more people than an infected Chinese tourist from Wuhan visiting museums and town centers.

    Regarding your questions about Italy, you will find some clues in this recent article, elsewhere on this site:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/coronavirus-devastates-italy-is-it-the-result-of-globalism-and-free-trade/

  360. antibeast 说:
    @Smith

    Except the USA withdrew on their own pleasure, while chinks were running so fast they leave some of their own get captured by vietnamese militiamen, as shown in the picture above in my post.

    The USA withdrew because the US military could never win a guerrilla war in Vietnam despite deploying all its hardware and firepower against the country and its people. That’s the lesson that the French and Americans learned the hard way after two decades fighting a faceless enemy during the Vietnam War.

    Mao invented the protracted “People’s War” which the Vietnamese copied from the Chinese Communists. But Deng made a tactical decision to launch a frontal assault against the Vietnamese who then adopted guerrilla warfare after the PLA punched through the Vietnamese frontlines. When the Chinese discovered that the Vietnamese were using civilian militias to attack PLA soldiers, Deng then realized his tactical mistake and ordered an abrupt withdrawal.

    How do you fight a country and its people?

    The answer: you don’t. Deng changed his tactics by adopting the Maoist strategy of fighting a war of attrition: constantly harassing the Vietnamese by luring them to the Sino-Vietnamese border, intermittently shelling the border towns, launching surprise lightning attacks followed by abrupt withdrawals, supporting anti-Vietnamese rebels in Cambodia, etc. That kind of long-duration, low-level conflict wore down the Vietnamese to the point that their border towns suffered much damage while their economy sputtered from their military expenditures.

    Westerners view this type of “asymmetric warfare” as cowardice but that’s a very Chinese way of warfare as enunciated in Sun Tzu’s Art of War. By the way, Chiang also adopted this strategy of fighting a war of attrition against the Imperial Japanese Army after having lost his best divisions during the Battle of Shanghai. He knew that the Chinese Nationalist Army could not beat the Japanese head-on so he fought them using the vastness of China as his strategy of “space-and-time” against the Japanese. That strategy wore out the Japanese who then made their biggest mistake by attacking Pearl Harbor and invading Southeast Asia.

    其余的,正如他们所说,是历史。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  361. denk 说:
    @fatmanscoop

    OK, may be [[[they]]] aint real xtians.

    But it remains that the [[[deep state]]], CIA, MI5, are crawling with such 邪恶的 who believe in the biblical notion of breaking the seals and release the four horsemen apocalypse , thats [[[their]]] idea of 救恩.

    Exihibit B

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/#comment-3743459

  362. antibeast 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?

    Apple didn’t invent anything, not even the smartphone. The only thing Apple did was to design the software and market the iPhone brand and then outsource everything else to East Asian manufacturers.

    Almost all the electronics technology that goes into the iPhone are sourced from East Asia. I mean — literally everything — chipsets, lcd screen, sensors, battery, PCBA, components — come from East Asian companies — which are then assembled in China by East Asian contract manufacturers.

  363. @phil

    Average living standards in China are below Mexico by what measure??? You confuse nominal GDP with living standards. So by what measure?? Not life expectancy – not safety – not healthcare – no education – not transportation – not economic growth – not savings – not retirement benefits… China is ahead of Mexico in all those quantifiable measures – if with a lower US dollar – nominal GDP.

  364. @Ayatollah Smith

    What you say about mortgages and owning homes is very true… Though Chinese have begun to use mortgages more often. Same with cars and credit cards. A generation ago no one financed or leased a car and no one used credit cards. They do now though. Granted it is FAR below US levels – and still less than Germany and Japan – but it has crept up. The government will need to keep a watch on that.

    But yeah – most Americans have absolutely no clue about China.

  365. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @antibeast

    China did not want to commit to endless counter-insurgency in Vietnam, which would have been stupid. Why conquer a country you can’t keep? So they backed off.

    Vietnam is now adopting the Western tactic of verbal shaming of China for “cowardice”, but of course such things have no effect in Asia.
    Vietnam was smart to use insurgency against the United States, and China was smart to withdraw from Vietnam. End of story.

    The attrition strategy employed by China was certainly not out of choice. Even Sun Tzu himself was against any kind of prolonged warfare, unless the alternative is losing. Then, if attrition is the last option, don’t hesitate to use it to the full.

    China would probably admit that the extended conflict, consisting of cross-border raids, shelling and short incursions by armored forces, followed by quick withdrawal, was in fact more costly in lives and expended resources, than an outright decisive victory in 1979. But it was a far less risky strategy to employ.

    China made full use of its strategic advantages, while at the same time letting the People’s Liberation Army learn how to fight the People’s Army of Vietnam. As the 1980’s wore on, the PAVN advantage in combat experience waned, while the PLA became increasingly efficient.

    • 同意: Daniel Chieh
    • 回复: @antibeast
  366. @FvS

    2) LOL – the NSA is the top hacking entity in the world. China has been busy trying to catch up (and may have).

    3) US universities desperately need the high tuition rates Chinese students pay

    4) Many local governments heavily rely on the sale of real estate to Chinese investors.

    Now that revenue could be subsidized if from your don’t list – the US gov stops trying to confront China militarily in Asia. If that money is funneled back into the US – as it should be – then 3 and 4 might work.

  367. @Malla

    & third world like behaviour pushed by the Satanic Cultural Marxist media

    It’s a cult/religion that flows from the myth of the holocaust, and it’s pushed by every single dominant body. In my country (Britain), this Cultural Marxist cult completely grips the whole government apparatus, and is actually written into law so that its tenets dominate every single government decision. The British people (relatively quiet, not prone to rebellion) keep on strongly signalling their dissent… but this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    It’s very distressing and is the fuckery of the (supposedly) first world, and demoralising to the point that white Americans seem to be close to having given up.

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @S
    , @denk
  368. @antibeast

    In many ways you are correct. The WIPO just announced in the past couple of weeks that China has replaced the US as the nation with the most international patent filings. For a “fun” exercise I would love to see what percentage of those patent filings has people who went to US schools. I personally don’t think it will be that high (especially considering they are a small percentage of overall college students in China).

    • 回复: @antibeast
  369. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Well the West has to keep up the propaganda that the Nationalists were the “good guys” against the “evil communists”. They never mention that for 40 after they fled the mainland to Taiwan that they had the longest running martial law recorded. Those are inconvenient facts.

    As to pretending the Japanese didn’t commit atrocities against Chinese… Give it a rest – there were Japanese who admitted regret at Nanjing. But most famously are the letters of a certain Nazi who was living there who saved Chinese people from the Japanese (he was NOT the only foreigner) and even wrote back to his fellow Nazis that maybe they should rethink partnering with people as brutal as the Japanese.
    It wasn’t in mainland China only. Go throughout all of South East Asia and you will find records of people who lived it that noted the Japanese specifically targeted ethnic Chinese. Japan had a centuries and even millennia long resentment against the Chinese – who looked down at the Japanese as barbaric pirates. Aside from the fact they prevented Japan from taking Korea in the past. The Japanese were trying to eliminate as many Chinese as possible. Nanjing was but once instance.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  370. @Just Passing Through

    Huh? China held on to a piece of Vietnamese territory until the 1990’s when they made a formal peace agreement… Then China gave it back. There was shelling going on for a decade but Vietnam couldn’t take it back. In the interim – China also completely dislodged Vietnam from the Paracel Islands. You don’t read the real history.

  371. antibeast 说:
    @Anonymous

    China did not want to commit to endless counter-insurgency in Vietnam, which would have been stupid. Why conquer a country you can’t keep? So they backed off.

    Correct. That was exactly my point.

    Vietnam is now adopting the Western tactic of verbal shaming of China for “cowardice”, but of course such things have no effect in Asia. Vietnam was smart to use insurgency against the United States, and China was smart to withdraw from Vietnam. End of story.

    Correct. Westerners tend to view Asia from their Western lens which has disastrous results as proven time and again not only in Vietnam but in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. In fact, some Western historians even condescend to such kind of “fake war” which the Chinese have long mastered as their Art of War. The Vietnamese should know better because they copied the Chinese Art of War against the French and later the Americans.

    The attrition strategy employed by China was certainly not out of choice. Even Sun Tzu himself was against any kind of prolonged warfare, unless the alternative is losing. Then, if attrition is the last option, don’t hesitate to use it to the full.

    The Korean War was where the PLA actually learned not to engage a superior enemy in prolonged conflict. The PLA punched through the US frontlines and succeeded in pushing back the US military all the way to the 38th parallel. Instead of withdrawing, Mao made the tactical mistake of continuing to attack the US military behind enemy lines. That allowed the US military to fight back using their superior firepower against the combined Chinese and the North Korean Armies which sustained heavy losses from the border battles. That war ended in a stalemate as Mao realized the futility of continuing to fight the US military.

    China would probably admit that the extended conflict, consisting of cross-border raids, shelling and short incursions by armored forces, followed by quick withdrawal, was in fact more costly in lives and expended resources, than an outright decisive victory in 1979. But it was a far less risky strategy to employ.

    The Chinese soldiers had to fight civilian militias who were indistinguishable from the local population. That was guerrilla warfare which the Vietnamese employed against the French and Americans. So what’s the point of holding captured territory if you had to deal with the people as your enemy? If the Chinese behaved like the Americans then you would have seen My Lai type massacres all over again.

    China made full use of its strategic advantages, while at the same time letting the People’s Liberation Army learn how to fight the People’s Army of Vietnam. As the 1980’s wore on, the PAVN advantage in combat experience waned, while the PLA became increasingly efficient.

    The Chinese economy was already booming during the 80s after Deng’s market reforms. So the PLA now had better equipment, more resources, higher morale, etc. compared to the economic deprivation of the 70s. In Vietnam, the opposite was true: its decrepit economy was rapidly deteriorating from the constant need to maintain war readiness, its political isolation as a diplomatic pariah deprived it of geopolitical allies, and lastly almost four decades of constant warfare sapped the political will of the CPV and the PAVN. After the Fall of the Soviet Union, Vietnam had no choice but to submit to the will of the world, literally, the WORLD.

  372. @Malla

    我想知道印度什么时候开始用印度教徒淹没克什米尔。 我读到他们最近通过了一项法律,宣布任何在那里生活了 15 年的人都是“克什米尔人”,并且可以拥有与旧克什米尔人相同的权利,考虑到甚至西方国家都在寻求取代他们自己的国家,这对我来说似乎是一种弱点从一个人在英国居住仅 5 年即可获得英国公民身份这一事实来看,人们的热情更高,而在德国则为 8 年。

    巴基斯坦没有做过类似其克什米尔部分的事情吗? 在英国,我听到很多巴基斯坦人声称自己是克什米尔人,但经过进一步研究,似乎大多数人是旁遮普人,但话又说回来,这些变形者在适合他们时也声称是“英国人”,因此这种欺骗并不太奇怪。 因此,这样的举动并非史无前例。

    看到西方媒体抱怨克什米尔的人口变化会很有趣,毫无疑问,他们会谈论保留“克什米尔身份”的重要性,而不是像谴责那些反对克什米尔的人一样谴责他们都是极右翼的新纳粹分子反对西方国家的人口变化。

    • 回复: @Malla
  373. @showmethereal

    It wasn’t in mainland China only. Go throughout all of South East Asia and you will find records of people who lived it that noted the Japanese specifically targeted ethnic Chinese

    And not just Chinese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimizuka

    The Mimizuka (耳塚, “Ear Mound”, often translated as “Ear Tomb”), an alteration of the original Hanazuka (鼻塚, “Nose Mound”)[1][2][3] is a monument in Kyoto, Japan, dedicated to the sliced noses of killed Korean soldiers and civilians[4][5] as well as Ming Chinese troops[6] taken as war trophies during the Japanese invasions of Korea from 1592 to 1598. The monument enshrines the severed noses of at least 38,000 Koreans killed during Toyotomi Hideyoshi’s invasions.[7][8][9] The shrine is located just to the west of Toyokuni Shrine, the Shinto shrine honoring Hideyoshi in Kyoto.

    Japanese chroniclers on the second invading campaign mention that the ears hacked off the faces of the massacred were also of ordinary civilians[14] mostly in the provinces Gyeongsang, Jeolla, and Chungcheong.[2]:pp. 475–476 In the second invasion Hideyoshi’s orders were thus:

    “Mow down everyone universally, without discriminating between young and old, men and women, clergy and the laity—high ranking soldiers on the battlefield, that goes without saying, but also the hill folk, down to the poorest and meanest—and send the heads to Japan.”

    It essentially became policy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

    The Three Alls Policy (Chinese: 三光政策; pinyin: Sānguāng Zhèngcè, Japanese: 三光作戦 Sankō Sakusen) was a Japanese scorched earth policy adopted in China during World War II, the three “alls” being “kill all, burn all, loot all”

    Asians have long memories. The Koreans very much remember the Japanese for their actions.

    The first recorded anti-Japanese attitudes in Korea were effects of the Japanese pirate raids and the later 1592−98 Japanese invasions of Korea. Sentiments in contemporary society are largely attributed to the Japanese rule in Korea from 1910–45. According to a BBC World Service Poll conducted in 2013, 67% of South Koreans view Japan’s influence negatively, and 21% express a positive view. This puts South Korea behind mainland China as the country with the second most negative feelings of Japan in the world

    South Korea attitudes toward Japan have 恶化 自那以后。

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  374. S 说:
    @Malla

    其中有多少 乱点鸳鸯谱 i.e jew marxist profs and their pet 黑暴徒, actually escape “evul White America” and escape to the paradise of Mao’s China or jump across the Berlin Wall going to the East or swim off to Cuba? Not many, I am guessing.

    Not many is right.

    One ‘misfit’ who did was Lee Harvey Oswald. Of course, after a few years, he returned to the United States as the ‘worker’s paradise’ didn’t entirely agree with him. [Yes, I think Oswald may have been ‘guided’ by hidden hands towards the assassination of the progressive John F Kennedy, those guiding hands either being elements, possibly ‘rogue’, of the US or Soviet establishment. I also think, as a microcosm, that Oswald was perfectly capable of the assassination all by himself.]

    [更多]

    In the ‘black thug’ category was the convicted rapist and ‘revolutionary’ Eldridge Cleaver who went to Cuba. IIRC Cleaver was the one who concluded (paraphrasing slightly) that Communist Cuba was ‘one great big prison’. Like Oswald, he too would ultimately return to the United States.

    While I don’t care for, or approve of, a great many of his life actions, Cleaver should be given some credit for his willingness to publically acknowledge past errors, something most people (whatever their race or ethnicity) are not prepared to do.

    Some quotes of Cleaver in regards to Communism, after having some first hand experience with that system.

    “Pig [police] power in America was infuriating, but pig power in the communist framework was awesome and unaccountable.”

    “I have taken an oath in my heart to oppose communism until the day I die.”

    Thought I’d throw in Cleaver’s thoughts on the actual ‘motivation(s)’ (from a Black male perspective) which is ‘often’ behind the Black male/White female relationships, motivations which he describes as being of a ‘bloody’, ‘hateful’, ‘bitter’, and ‘malignant’ nature.

    “I know that the black man’s sick attitude toward the white woman is a revolutionary sickness: it keeps him perpetually out of harmony with the system that is oppressing him. Many whites flatter themselves with the idea that the Negro male’s lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely an esthetic attraction, but nothing could be further from the truth. His motivation is often of such a bloody, hateful, bitter, and malignant nature that whites would really be hard pressed to find it flattering.”

    https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/4117-eldridge-cleaver

    • 谢谢: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  375. @Just Passing Through

    Not that truth makes any sense to you… But testosterone in males has been dropping for at least 2 generations in the United States… Simply type it into your web browser to find a plethora of studies.

  376. @Anonymous

    From non biased sources – your explanation seems to be closest to the truth of what happened. Let’s be honest – the people who claim that China got beat by Vietnam or that China wanted to occupy Vietnam are just upset that the US had to leave Vietnam. Even worse knowing that China was helping North Vietnam against the US – based on their experience in Korea.

  377. S 说:
    @Malla

    Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    In regards to race and race mixing, far too many folks amongst the Euro people’s (ie ‘Whites’) seem to have this weird unspoken idea that changing your race is merely like changing your clothes, ie no big deal. One wonders if those of this mentality think they can simply change back racially if they don’t like their new racial suit of clothes? Of course, one can’t, as you indicate. Should the forces behind this racial change ultimately succeed, it is indeed intended for the end of time.

    I’ve commented before about the political and spiritual forebears of today’s self described ‘progressives’ of the Anglosphere as having been the slave dealers/owners of England and New England, ie powerful elements and hangers on of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people. Needless to say the Anglosphere has had a very great influence on this so called ‘progressive’ global movement, in both it’s Capitalist and Communist manifestations, leading the way as it were towards these closely paralleling economic systems synthesis in global Multi-culturalism.

    As a related aside, when exactly did these described elites and hangers on reform themselves in regards to slavery? Was it when they simply distilled chattel slavery and it’s trade to it’s financial essence, ie 营利 it, with the 19th century introduction of the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, much more accurately called 工资 slavery, under cover of ‘abolitionism’, or, was it when they adopted the term ‘migrant stock’ for the ‘immigrants’ they claim to care so much about?

    “库存”首先被定义为“商品”。

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.asp

    • 同意: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  378. @Beefcake the Mighty

    China held Vietnamese territory until they signed an accord in 1991. China also removed Vietnam from the Paracel Islands in that time. Cambodia quickly pivoted away from Vietnam to China today. China apparently fights more wisely. China achieved all of that and didn’t have to bomb millions of civilians and cause their deaths. Oh and for the record – the US also backed the Khmer Rogue (though covertly as usual rather than bravely and openly) for the same reason China did… To prevent further Soviet influence in the region. Now even China and Russia have made amends. Vietnam has to ask US help in the South China Sea. So please explain in what way or fashion did Vietnam win anything against China.

    • 同意: antibeast
    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  379. A qualification to my previous commentary, and addressing the general thesis of this article:

    While it may be a largely or wholly correct interpretation of e.g. Alex Jones’ anti-‘Chicom’ crusade that it is a finance-capital/oligarchic program to eliminate a rival in the CCP/non-central-bank-owned China –which Jones has merely gotten on board with for one reason or another — I must recognize the plausibility and even high probability that the CCP is engaged in subversive and destructive activity in the USA. For example, but only a limited example, to the extent the Trump faction wanted to re-industrialize and re-nationalize away from the globalist program, it is highly likely that the CCP would use active measures to counteract this. The same way the USA imperial apparat empowers compradors in countries to deracinate and loot, it would be only logical that the CCP would do the same thing here. Feinstein, Wall St, etc.

    This is the other side of the story here, and it should not be considered mutually exclusive with Striker’s excellent portrayal of the hypocrisy and mendacity of the oligarchs and their front-men, and certainly does not imply that we should take up a crusade to dislodge the CCP from power in China. We can play defense, get our own house in order, take corrective measures and put them back in their own yard.

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  380. @antibeast

    One quibble… NYC has the largest Chinese population in the western world…. That said – it is proven that the virus got to NY from Europe and not China.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  381. S 说:
    @fatmanscoop

    The British people (relatively quiet, not prone to rebellion) keep on strongly signalling their dissent… but this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    I liken it to the scene in 洛根的奔跑 where Logan and Jessica attempt to tell the people about to undergo ‘Carousel’ (where no one in reality, despite expectations and what they are told, comes out alive) that they don’t have to die at 30. The ‘candidates’ listen for a moment, then dutifully go back to submitting to their own carefully conditioned self-destruction.

    That Anglo-Saxon ‘Founding Fathers’ of the Capitalist United States such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, apparently Ben Franklin as well, the heaviest hitters, were quite involved with the French Communist Revolution of 1789, should by itself tell a person ‘there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark’ in regards to the whole so called ‘progressive’ Capitalist/Communist, ‘Right’/’Left’, conservative/liberal, paradigm which has been at play since those times.

    It’s the power of the Big Lie that so many people continue to take seriously in any way this centuries old manufactured Hegelian Dialectic.

  382. Miro23 说:
    @Malla

    B.S. As an Indian I can tell you, India and most Indians are greatly butt hurt by China’s rise. Of course the Pakis are enemy number 1 but India wants to be something bigger than just ‘enemy of failed state Pakistan’.

    Indian hubris is spectacular. I’m not sure why.

    Can’t they see that see that Chinese infrastructure is far superior to anything that India has put together, and Chinese depth in manufacturing skills and supplier networks is also light years ahead of anything in India.

    • 回复: @Malla
  383. Miro23 说:
    @GeeBee

    “Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind ‘it.’

    Half a day? You knew it was done by Mossad/US deep state using Saudi ‘patsies’ in just twelve hours? Pray tell how this was possible…

    I’m quite well informed, and read the 9/11 Commission Report, but it took me years until I discovered the Building 7 fakery and put the pieces together.

  384. denk 说:
    @anon8383892

    I must recognize the plausibility and even 高概率 [SIC] that the CCP is engaged in subversive and destructive activity in the USA

    murkkan projection knows no bound…

    更确切地说,

    Wolf crying out wolves.

  385. denk 说:
    @fatmanscoop

    this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    曾听说过 团契 ?
    I understand [[[they]]] are embedded deep inside the [[[five liars]]] deep state.

    '”Genghis Khan’s genius”,

    [更多]

    David went on, “lay in his understanding that there could be only one king. When Genghis entered a defeated city, he would call in the local headman. Conversion to the Khan’s cause was not an option, as Genghis was uninterested in halfhearted deputies. Instead, said David, Genghis would have the man stuffed into a crate, and over the crate’s surface would be spread a tablecloth, on which a wonderful meal would be arrayed.

    “然后,就在那个人窒息的时候,成吉思汗吃饭了,他甚至没有听到那个人的尖叫声。”

    大卫站在沙发上,手指在空中。 “你知道那是什么意思吗?”

    To their credit, my brothers did not. Perhaps on account of my earlier insight, David turned to me. “I think so,” I said. “Out with the old, in with the new.”

    Yes, he nodded. “Christ’s parable of the wineskins. You can’t pour new into old.” One day, he continued, some monks from Europe show up in Genghis Khan’s court. Genghis welcomes them in the name of God. Says that in truth, they worship the same great Lord. Then why, the monks ask, must he conquer the world? “I don’t ask,” says Genghis. “I submit.”

    大卫回到他的椅子上。 “我们选举我们的领导人,”他说。 “耶稣拣选他的。”

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/#comment-3703229

  386. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    我想知道印度什么时候开始用印度教徒淹没克什米尔。

    There are talks of doing that Israeli settler style soon. The recent cancellation of Kashmir’s special status within India is a step in that direction. However Kashmiri Pundits do really have a right to live there as they were kicked out by the majority muslims. So if Kashmiri Pundits can somehow go back, it will be justice. but they could be easily settled in the region called jammu in the state which is majority Hindu anyways.

    巴基斯坦没有做过类似其克什米尔部分的事情吗?

    是的,这就是我所听到的。 如果他们这样做了,我并不感到惊讶。 巴基斯坦在俾路支省做了同样的事情,用Pastuns / Pathans淹没黑人并减少了俾路支人在他们自己土地上的百分比。

    看到西方媒体抱怨克什米尔的人口变化会很有趣,毫无疑问,他们会谈论保留“克什米尔身份”的重要性,而不是像谴责那些反对克什米尔的人一样谴责他们都是极右翼的新纳粹分子反对西方国家的人口变化。

    诚然,西方自由主义者是白痴伪君子。

  387. Malla 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The problem (one of many) with the Team China retards here is that they fail (or refuse) to comprehend that the US and China exist symbiotically, not antagonistically (TV bits aside)

    What is interesting is that the relationship of China with the USA of today w.r.t the rest of the world, looks so similar to the relationship in between the USA & USSR to the European Colonial Powers of the post WW2 period. China is this new Messiah nation bringing development to the world as against the old senile power of the USA. Many decades back USA & the USSR were these great messiah powers, young and cool, with their own ideas of the development for the world as against the senile, falling Euro-Jap Colonial Powers. History repeating it self.
    Will India be tomorrow’s Messiah? Is this whole thing a freaking scripted play? Will Israel be the Last and Final Messiah, THE Messiah.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  388. antibeast 说:
    @showmethereal

    In many ways you are correct. The WIPO just announced in the past couple of weeks that China has replaced the US as the nation with the most international patent filings. For a “fun” exercise I would love to see what percentage of those patent filings has people who went to US schools. I personally don’t think it will be that high (especially considering they are a small percentage of overall college students in China).

    In the 80s and 90s, most of the Chinese students from the PRC went to the top Western Universities for their PhDs, mostly in STEM disciplines. Now there are still PhD students from the PRC but they’re outnumbered by the spoiled brats who can’t get into the highly competitive State-funded public universities in China who then apply for and get admitted to expensive private colleges/universities in the USA. They hardly major in anything, just some BS in anything, and spend all their time and money partying with their sports cars, luxury goods, opulent mansions, etc.

    There’s a myth that Chinese scientists/engineers must have acquired their technology from the West, either by copying or theft. That happened during the 80s and 90s when China was catching up to the West. But in emerging industries such as AI, electric vehicles, 4G/5G telecommunications, cloud computing, etc., Chinese scientists/engineers have managed to create their own indigenous technologies after learning from the West. There are Western MNCs today who hire Chinese scientists/engineers who were locally-educated/trained to do R&D in China. As China’s economy shifts from infrastructure and manufacturing industries to technology and services industries, this trend will accelerate over the next three decades.

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  389. antibeast 说:
    @showmethereal

    One quibble… NYC has the largest Chinese population in the western world…. That said – it is proven that the virus got to NY from Europe and not China.

    Not NYC but the San Francisco Bay Area.

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  390. Malla 说:
    @S

    In regards to race and race mixing, far too many folks amongst the Euro people’s (ie ‘Whites’) seem to have this weird unspoken idea that changing your race is merely like changing your clothes, ie no big deal.

    They are idiots. Even a street kid in India would know race is deep. Here we take it for granted that different ethnic groups have different tendencies on average.

    Needless to say the Anglosphere has had a very great influence on this so called ‘progressive’ global movement,

    Why is the Anglospere so much into this phenomenon? Is it a type of protestant Christianity which drives this? Are some of these Anglo elites really Anglo or are are they secret marranos/conversos/ mixed with Jews?

    • 回复: @S
  391. Malla 说:
    @Miro23

    Indian hubris is spectacular. I’m not sure why.

    Hubris is very common in the brown black world & this is what Jew media hides from Westerners. According to the Satanic marxist lying Western media, brown blacks are all wise kind people living in harmony with nature or with each other, full of ancient wisdom or some B.S. while Whites especially Nords or East Asians especially Japs are these evil, racist, aggressive, backward people who need to get over their privilege. Obviously that is a B.S., there is more hubris and survivalist xenophobia in the brown black (& Jewish) world. As with most things in Hollywood, we see an inversion of reality.
    The brown black world has more of this chest thumping, big man tendencies. Blacks show these tendencies more than us browns. Add to that superiority inferiority complex feelings w.r.t the White world and even the Yellow world up to some extent.
    Even the Chinese show such hubris w.r.t the Japanese for example. But still far less than what we have in India.

    As far as India in particular, this is old stuff, this is old tradition.

    The Great Persian philosopher Al-Beruni in his book on India wrote about us about a 1000 years ago:

    “In the fifth place, there are other causes, the mentioning of which sounds like a satire—peculiarities of their national character, deeply rooted in them, but manifest to everybody. We can only say, folly is an illness for which there is no medicine, and the Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs, no kings like theirs, no religion like theirs, no science like theirs. They are haughty, foolishly vain, self-conceited, and stolid. 他们天性吝啬地交流他们所知道的东西,并且他们会尽最大的努力不让他们自己民族中的其他种姓的人知道,当然更不让任何外国人知道。 According to their belief, there is no other country on earth but theirs, no other race of man but theirs, and no created beings besides them have any knowledge or science whatsoever. Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Khurasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar.=

    旧习难改!!

  392. Malla 说:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Vietnam to invaded the whole South East Asian is nothing more than a hoax.

    Yeah, this Vietnam planning to conquer all of South East Asia sounds like B.S. to me. Especially after all the loss of life and property in the war against the USA (& even France). Yeah conquering all of South East Asia, taking on the armies of Thailand, Burma/Myanmar, Indonesia, Malaysia etc… after the devastating war with the Americans. Ya rite!!! Only an idiot would believe something like that.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  393. Malla 说:
    @S

    If I am not mistaken when Lee Harvey Oswald asked for citizenship in the USSR, the Soviet authorities though that he must be nuts for wanting to leave the USA and wanting to get Soviet citizenship. But you are right, the guy was most probably a controlled patsy.

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  394. Malla 说:
    @showmethereal

    It were Chinese nationalist troops who committed atrocities which was pushed on the Imperial Japanese via propaganda.
    After the battle, many Nanking citizens, who had abhorred bad deeds done by the Chinese military in the city, welcomed the Japanese military. This is a photo of Japanese soldiers and the Nanking citizens giving cheers, on the day of the Japanese military’s ceremonial entry into Nanking (Dec. 17, 1937, 4 days after the fall of Nanking). The citizens are wearing armbands of the flag of Japan, which were given to all civilians of Nanking to distinguish them from hiding Chinese soldiers in civilian clothing.

    Japanese soldiers distributing gifts to Chinese citizens in Nanking. Photo from the British newspaper North China Daily News, published in China in English on December 24, 1937, eleven days after the Japanese occupation of Nanking

    Japanese soldiers playing with Chinese children in Nanking using toys, and their parents wearing armbands of the flag of Japan. Photo taken on Dec. 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, and published in the pictorial book, Shina-jihen Shasin Zensyu, in 1938.

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    Japanese soldiers nursing Chinese wounded soldiers. Photo taken in Nanking on December 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Hayashi; placed in the Japanese pictorial magazine, Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, and published on January 27, 1938.

    Nanking citizens with armbands of the flag of Japan selling vegetables on the street on December 15, 1937.

    Chinese boy smiling and Second Lieutenant Takashi Akaboshi, who led a fight along the Yangzi River. Photo taken near the walls of Nanking just after the Japanese occupation (courtesy of Takashi’s wife).

    When Japanese soldiers distributed food and sweets, Chinese adults and children gathered together. (December 18, 1937, in Nanking. From the Tokyo Nichinichi Shimbun.)

    Chinese citizens rejoicing to receive confectionery from Japanese soldiers on December 20, 1937, in Nanking. (From Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.)

    Liu Qixiong, a Chinese soldier who was hiding in the Nanking Safety Zone and caught as a POW. He was used as a coolie for a while, but later became the commander of a brigade for Wang Jingwei’s pro-Japanese government.

    Japanese soldier handing paper money to a Chinese family in the Nanking Safety Zone. Photo taken on December 27, 1937, fourteen days after the Japanese occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Kageyama; from Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.

    Chinese merchants selling to Japanese soldiers in Nanking. Photo from the pictorial magazine Mainichi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on February 1, 1938.

    Chinese women coming out of an air-raid shelter and protected by the Japanese military. Photo taken on December 14, 1937, the day after the fall of Nanking, by the correspondent Kadono, and published in the Asahi Shimbun on December 16, 1937.

    Citizens celebrating the start of Nanking’s self-government on January 3, 1938, waving the Japanese flag and the Chinese five-color flag.

    YEAH quite a massacre!!!!!!

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  395. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    More on the Nanking Massacre Holohoax

    约翰·拉贝的偏见报道

    松井岩根将军的前秘书田中正明声称约翰拉贝的描述存在许多矛盾。 例如,据他介绍,松井将军于9月10日下令停火,向市下发投降建议传单,一直等到XNUMX月XNUMX日中午才得到答复。 田中接着指出,“拉贝在日记中写道,战斗仍在继续,拉贝没有提及停火或传单。”

    拉贝写道,他到处都看到“手杖插在阴道里的死女人”; 然而,这种做法是中国人,而不是日本人。

    James McCallum, a medical doctor in Nanking, wrote in his diary on December 29, 1937, “We have had some very pleasant Japanese who have treated us with courtesy and respect. Occasionally I have seen a Japanese helping some Chinese, or picking up a Chinese baby to play with it.” However, Rabe did not write any such things, and only wrote that the Safety Zone had been like a hell full of fire and rape every day. Tanaka thus argues that Rabe’s descriptions are not reliable. Tanaka writes, “Rabe’s descriptions were very biased fishy stories. I think I can understand the reason why Adolf Hitler did not trust his report, but rather imprisoned him.”

    Professor Higashinakano also points out that James McCallum wrote in his diary on January 8, 1938 that he had heard a Chinese refugee testify, “I can prove that the rape, looting and arson were committed by Chinese soldiers, not Japanese soldiers”; 然而,拉贝报告说,好像所有的强奸、抢劫和纵火都是日本士兵所为。 东中野声称拉贝的报告与他庇护的中国军官的反日机动性质相似。

    P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking on January 9, 1938, tried to investigate himself the facts about the alleged Japanese atrocities mentioned in Rabe’s report. Scharfienberg wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10:

    “拉贝仍在积极努力反击日本掠夺者的血腥暴行,不幸的是,这些掠夺者最近有所增加。 在我看来,这不应该让我们德国人担心,特别是因为人们可以清楚地看到,中国人一旦离开完全依赖日本人,就会立即友爱。 至于所有这些过激行为,毕竟只能听到一方面。”

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  396. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    Vietnam militarily conquering South East Asia was obviously a fantasy.

    But Vietnam conquering Laos and Cambodia, that was very possible. At the very least, they wanted to turn the Cambodian and Laotian governments into puppets, serving Vietnam and not their own people.

    It would have recreated the old French Indo-China colony, and before that the kingdoms of Annam and Champa.

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  397. Malla 说:
    @showmethereal

    Well the West has to keep up the propaganda that the Nationalists were the “good guys” against the “evil communists”.

    B.S. The West while supporting the Nationalists on the surface, backstabbed them leading to the Communists coming to power. Even Stalin did not want a 100% Communist China, he wanted the Chinese mainland divided into Communist-Capitalist half like Vietnam and Korea because he knew that more Communists countries would need Soviet help and just after WW2, the Soviets did not have the resources. But he was forced by the Rockefeller family to support Mao for a 100% Communist mainland China, who had always wanted a Communist China for along.

    Stalin’s reluctance in creating Communist China

    Check from 3:14 minutes to 5:03 minutes of the above video

    斯坦顿·埃文斯——美国国务院让毛泽东掌权
    http://letsrollforums.com//imagehosting/69125743245025d01.jpg

    YALE SPURS MAO’S EMERGENCE

    Without Yale, there would have been no Chairman Mao, yup Yale of Skull and Bones, Yale of Opium Money.

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  398. Anonymous[156]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    Apart from certifiably insane people like Godfrey Roberts, no one in the West would regard China as any kind of messiah, and I’m pretty sure most Asians don’t have a very positive view of them either (tactical alliances aside). China may be a regional power, but it can never become a global power.

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  399. Malla 说:
    @Anonymous

    Are you sure? P.R. China’s rise and reduction of its poverty has been very remarkable. Bringing millions of people out of poverty with a combination of Communism and Capitalism. Many countries could have looked to emulate that. Add that China’s BRI, building excellent infrastructure in many parts of the world. Sure there are issues like debt, Central Asians unhappy about Han labour been used instead of locals etc…
    Sure there are many in Asia who are weary of China, there are many like Pakistan or Iran who seem to be happy with China’s rise. China is very popular in Africa and South/Central America. But that was before the COVID Pandemic. China’s reputation may tank through out the world irrespective of who is really responsible for the pandemic. People through out the world, out of anger at losing livelihoods and lives of loved ones will blame China and lash out at China. Human nature, you see.

  400. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    One can only expect China to outsource it’s fighting to the Pakistanis as the latter are much braver and have the warrior spirit,

    Yeah, the Paks are so brave with warrior spirit that 93,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to our Indian Army in the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War /Bangladesh War of Liberation from Pakistan.

    BBC – 93,000 Pakistani troops surrender Rare footage of 1971

  401. S 说:
    @Malla

    I’ve read that too, that the Soviets purportedly rejected Oswald’s initial defection, which surprised me a bit. Oswald then did a suicide attempt, possibly somewhat half hearted, that got the Soviets to change their mind and take him in.

  402. S 说:
    @Malla

    Why is the Anglospere so much into this [progressive] phenomenon? Is it a type of protestant Christianity which drives this?

    Well, a special type of ‘Christianity’, if it can be exactly called that.

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    There was an unfortunate (and absurd) belief called ‘British Israelism’ (see excellent article linked below) which some powerful Anglo-Saxons and hangers on bought into, and very likely still do. Queen Elizabeth is said to believe in it even now. Basically it is that that the Anglo-Saxons were (somehow) of the lost tribes of Israel.

    They of course should of simply stuck to the truth that they were of the forests of Northern Europe, ie Germany.

    Cromwell’s 17th century Puritans were practically living out of the Old Testament of the Bible, which explains the origins of many Anglo-Saxon names for both men and women which can be found even today, whose origins are in the Old Testament. It wasn’t much of a transition from belief in Puritanism,and then to British Israelism. Of course, it was the Puritans who first settled Massachusetts and much of modern New England.

    While many of the English Puritan’s descendants today don’t retain much of a belief in God, they still often have their old zealous fanatacism in regards to their so called ‘progressivism’.

    It was elements of the New England Puritan elites and hangers on that got into the slave trade (and often enough, personal slave owning for household work) in a big way. I submit this is where this unhealthy (and cynical) ‘liberal’ fetish for ‘people of color’ originated from.

    When commercially minded New England (along with England itself) simply 营利 chattel slavery and it’s trade (mis-naming it ‘abolition’) with the 19th century introduction of the so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, this fetish for the chattel slaves was simply transferred to their new wage slaves, ie the ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’.

    A healthy concern for their own Anglo-Saxon people (and ultimately themselves as individual slave dealers/owners) got lost in the shuffle in this horrid slavery (chattel
    or wage) business.

    Are some of these Anglo elites really Anglo or are are they secret marranos/conversos/ mixed with Jews?

    Many powerful (and not so powerful people) with Anglo names, are not in anyway Anglo-Saxon, but are in reality Jewish, or significantly so. Wikipedia will often, though not always, tell what the original name and actual origin of a person is. Names were often changed (‘Anglacized’) after arrival in the United States, and it wasn’t ‘just’ Jewish people who did that.

    As for ‘mixing’ of Anglo-Saxon and Jewish, a person can see that in roughly real time with both Bill Clinton’s daughter Chelsea and Trump’s daughter Ivanka, each having married Jewish men. Of course there was Clinton’s sordid relationship with Lewinsky.

    I think empires are a bad business and ultimately destructive. When a people engage in empire building, they do so typically at other’s great expense. They don’t like to tell themselves that their empire building often consists of stealing other’s homes, land, and wealth. So, they tell themselves platitudes along the lines that they are ‘civilizing barbarians’. For the Anglo-Saxons this rationalization for empire the past centuries has been British Israelism, and more recently, so called ‘progressivism’.

    That’s not to say the world doesn’t have many real problems, just that there are other better ways of dealing with them than through empires.

    As for the unhealthy long term relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people, bad ultimately for both, I think amicable if at all possible separation from each other is the way to go. I’d like to think I’d say exactly the same thing if I was Jewish.

    http://www.revneal.org/Writings/Writings/british.htm

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  403. S 说:
    @Malla

    B.S. The West while supporting the Nationalists on the surface, backstabbed them leading to the Communists coming to power

    Yes, I just got through doing some reading on US general Joseph Stilwell, who wanted to give the bulk of US support to Mao, ostensibly as they were supposed to be fighting the Japanese better than Chiang’s forces. At Chiang’s insistance, Stilwell got replaced when he attempted to take command (in the name of the United States with Roosevelt’s approval) of all of Chiang’s armies.

    Interesting the alleged connection of Mao with Yale, as Sun Yat Sen of the Kuomintang IIRC was also US educated. After maximum profits have been taken first (naturally), and depending how purist they might be about the Capitalist/Communist Hegelian dialectic, I think the general idea might be that the US/UK and Russia/China ultimately more or less destroy each other in WWIII

    Purportedly Anthony Sutton wrote the below in 1984:

    “大约到 2000 年,共产主义中国将成为由美国技术和技能打造的‘超级大国’。”
    Antony C. Sutton,《美国秘密机构》,1984 年出版

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  404. Malla 说:
    @S

    as they were supposed to be fighting the Japanese better than Chiang’s forces.

    The Nationalists Chinese and the Imperial Japanese fighting each other only strengthened the position of the Chinese Communists. Is that why you had incidents (Marco polo bridge incident, sneaky murder of Japanese Lt. Isao Oyama in Shanghai etc… ) which actually caused war in between the two parties to the benefit of the third (CCP)? Who knows?

  405. Malla 说:
    @S

    I think the general idea might be that the US/UK and Russia/China ultimately more or less destroy each other in WWIII

    That seems lika possibility. Actually these are exactly the nations (Europe incl Russia, Western World outside of Europe, North East Asia ) who should not be fighting any such devastating wars at all due to fall in birth rates. But they might be pushed against each other, anyways, let us see.

  406. @S

    Cromwell’s 17th century Puritans were practically living out of the Old Testament of the Bible, which explains the origins of many Anglo-Saxon names for both men and women which can be found even today, whose origins are in the Old Testament. It wasn’t much of a transition from belief in Puritanism,and then to British Israelism. Of course, it was the Puritans who first settled Massachusetts and much of modern New England.

    While many of the English Puritan’s descendants today don’t retain much of a belief in God, they still often have their old zealous fanatacism in regards to their so called ‘progressivism’.

    Just to add, there is a direct link between English Puritans’ Jew-centric beliefs in ‘Jewish Restoration’ and then the American Protestant Evangelicals’ Christian Zionist/Israel restoration belief system, and also their focus on the Old Testament.

    You could argue that this comes from the fact that uber-ambitious Cromwell wanted to invite Jews back into England so as to benefit from their money skills. The Netherlands, England’s main competitor, were benefiting from their financial expertise at that time. Accordingly, a religious rationale for their inclusion and for why they should be tolerated had to be engineered within the Puritan belief system.

    Again to add to your points on slavery, I think within the Anglosphere – and as per Cromwell’s initial impetus – the elite has required that the plebs be disciplined and versed in the wonders of “tolerance n’ inclusion n’ diversity” so that the same elite is able to bring in foreigners who have good skills and make them part of the elite, as per the Jews.

    But it’s all gone wrong and corrupt now, for various reasons. Not least because the Germans (mother nation) have consistently showed us for at least the last 100 years that they can comprehensively outperform us, without requiring the ancillary expertise of Jewry. The British/anglo/American elite refuses to accept this reality, leading to global catastrophe which they then have to rationalise and justify in perverse ways.

  407. As for the unhealthy long term relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people, bad ultimately for both, I think amicable if at all possible separation from each other is the way to go. I’d like to think I’d say exactly the same thing if I was Jewish.

    Obviously totally agree with this. It took me quite a while to realise what a bizarre relationship the Anglo elite has with Jewry, and the length of time during which we have accorded them golden child status. See the Don Pacifico affair – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Pacifico_affair.

    Just to point out that this relationship has had a strongly deleterious effect on the northern European people as a whole, and has crushed the German people to the extent that they accepted millions of invaders. And Sweden.

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  408. Rdm 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Chinese IQ is way overblown.

    Coz I damn well know that I am Chinese.

    Over 500 years, genetic makeup of Han Chinese has considerably changed. The most adventurous genetic composition has spread to South East Asia (SEA) while regular rung of the mill “Yes, Sir” copycat gene pool has spread far and wide in mainland China.

    If you’re interested, I can lay you the scenario as follow.

    China dynasty has undergone many bouts of conflicts and war. Whenever war broke out, scholars from ruling Dynasty fled the scene first because they were not warriors. They’re only servants in Imperial Palace. A haven from fleeing from those warring states was southern part of the Dynasties (Fujian, Guangdong) because of mountain like natural barriers exist between northern and southern China. That’s why you’d see a significant accent change between Northern and Southern Chinese.

    The other motivation to flee south was they could take a marine route to escape. The first islet to host those scholars was now known as Taiwan. So you wonder why majority of Chinese overseas are above average Joe in American perspective. It’s because their genetic composition was already propagated from those scholars fleeing, adventure seeking traits from olden days.

    Lee Kuan Yew, founding father of Singapore
    Jerry Yang, Yahoo co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Steven Chen, Youtube co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Jensen Huang, NVIDIA co-founder (Taiwanese origin)

    In 21st century, you can easily take a flight Airbus380 and land in newfound land. You’d see some blokes from mainland China whose sole idea was to make money in anyway possible – an asset to personal freedom. So personal emotion, feeling, they have no fucking clue. Interpersonal skill is abysmal. Their motivation in life

    – get green card
    – make money
    – get married
    – have children
    – their children MUST take care of them when they get old.

    So this list of commandment is ingrained when they’re born. This commandment has been recycling for how many generations in Chinese, especially in mainland China? It’s because they have been stripped of their personal freedom for 100 years. The genetic composition has become stale.

    That’s why, you’d see when it comes to making money,

    Mainland Chinese has one rule, only one rule.

    挣钱。

    So you’d see Jack Ma, a billionaire exposed as an idiot when he argues with Elon.
    Robin Li, a billionaire of Baidu, has no charisma on stage when talking about Baidu.

    Those are qualities of Mainland Chinese.

    So IQ?

    Just give them money and they will inflate to 160.

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  409. antibeast 说:
    @Rdm

    Chinese IQ is way overblown. Coz I damn well know that I am Chinese.

    IQ is relevant only if the social and political environment is conducive to economic prosperity. For most of Western history, the Germanic/Nordic tribes of Northern Europe were backward peoples compared to the Latin/Celtic tribes of Southern Europe. It was only after the Protestant Reformation and the political unification of Germany did Northern Europe succeed in surpassing Southern Europe. Their IQs didn’t change; what changed was their social and political environment which made possible the economic revolution in Northern Europe in the 20th century.

    Over 500 years, genetic makeup of Han Chinese has considerably changed. The most adventurous genetic composition has spread to South East Asia (SEA) while regular rung of the mill “Yes, Sir” copycat gene pool has spread far and wide in mainland China.

    This is false. There are two provinces in China with a history of emigration: Guangdong and Fujian. Fujian Province is the ancestral homeland of most of the so-called “Overseas Chinese” entrepreneurs in Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and Southeast Asia while Guangdong Province is the ancestral homeland of most of the Chinese immigrants in the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and HK. What is the difference between the Fujianese and the Cantonese? The Fujianese has a 1,000-year history of trading from the time of the Song Dynasty while the Cantonese has a 150-year history of coolie work from the time of the Opium Wars during the Qing Dynasty.

    China dynasty has undergone many bouts of conflicts and war. Whenever war broke out, scholars from ruling Dynasty fled the scene first because they were not warriors. They’re only servants in Imperial Palace. A haven from fleeing from those warring states was southern part of the Dynasties (Fujian, Guangdong) because of mountain like natural barriers exist between northern and southern China. That’s why you’d see a significant accent change between Northern and Southern Chinese.

    This is total BS, for two reasons:

    1. While it is true that the Confucian Scholar-Officials came from Northern cities which were the centers of power in Imperial China, Confucian Orthodoxy was quite hostile to merchants. But the Northern invaders — Mongols, Turks, Manchus, Khitans, Liaos, etc. — were warrior tribes who had assimilated to the Han Chinese population over a period of two thousand years to become Northern Chinese. They were the ones who moved the centers of power from the West (Xi’an) to the North (Beijing). This is equivalent to the Germanic conquests of the Roman Empire which germanized whole parts of Southern Europe that had grown too soft from their material wealth and cultural sophistication. The same thing happened in Northern China but with the difference between that the Northern invaders assimilated to Han Chinese society while the Germanic invaders destroyed Roman society.

    The other motivation to flee south was they could take a marine route to escape. The first islet to host those scholars was now known as Taiwan. So you wonder why majority of Chinese overseas are above average Joe in American perspective. It’s because their genetic composition was already propagated from those scholars fleeing, adventure seeking traits from olden days.

    This is a blatant lie. The guy who escaped to Taiwan was a half-Japanese, half-Chinese Fujianese named Zheng Chenggong who was born in Nagasaki, Japan to a Fujianese father and a Japanese mother. His Fujianese followers who rebelled against the Qing Dynasty established by the Manchus also fled with him to Taiwan. Chiang Kai-shek took the same escape route to Taiwan following his defeat by Mao Zedong in 1949. Both Zheng and Chiang were warriors.

    Lee Kuan Yew, founding father of Singapore
    Jerry Yang, Yahoo co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Steven Chen, Youtube co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Jensen Huang, NVIDIA co-founder (Taiwanese origin)

    Li Ka-shing (HK), Robert Kuok (Malaysia), Henry Sy (Philippines), and lots and lots of Asian tycoons of Chinese descent in HK, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc. trace their ancestry to Fujian Province. Li Ka-shing comes from Shantou in Guangdong Province which was a city settled by Fujianese immigrants. They speak a Min-nan dialect similar to Fujianese and Taiwanese. The Cantonese who settled in the USA, Canada and Australia during the Gold Rush were mostly coolies while the Taiwanese who immigrated to California’s Silicon Valley were engineers-turned-entrepreneurs, most of whom moved back to Taiwan to start their hi-tech companies in the Hsinchu Science Park.

    In 21st century, you can easily take a flight Airbus380 and land in newfound land. You’d see some blokes from mainland China whose sole idea was to make money in anyway possible – an asset to personal freedom. So personal emotion, feeling, they have no fucking clue. Interpersonal skill is abysmal. Their motivation in life

    – get green card
    – make money
    – get married
    – have children
    – their children MUST take care of them when they get old.

    So this list of commandment is ingrained when they’re born. This commandment has been recycling for how many generations in Chinese, especially in mainland China? It’s because they have been stripped of their personal freedom for 100 years. The genetic composition has become stale.

    That’s why, you’d see when it comes to making money,

    Mainland Chinese has one rule, only one rule.

    挣钱。

    So you’d see Jack Ma, a billionaire exposed as an idiot when he argues with Elon.
    Robin Li, a billionaire of Baidu, has no charisma on stage when talking about Baidu.

    Those are qualities of Mainland Chinese.

    So IQ?

    Just give them money and they will inflate to 160.

    Move to the USA, the biggest debtor Nation in world history? You must be joking, right? Mainland Chinese are responsible for building high-speed rail, nuclear reactors, ballistic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, hypersonic missiles, rocket engines, space station, lunar probe, quantum satellites, superconductive maglevs, supercomputers, electric vehicles, 4G/5G telecommunications, GaN semiconductors, EUV photolithography, biotech, robotics, AI, fintech, etc. And you want to tell me their life-goal is to acquire a cheap green card to the world’s biggest debtor Nation full of stupid gringos who can’t even make their own shoes, toys, clothing, furniture, cars, PCs, smartphones, etc. who then blame “Communist China” for stealing their factory jobs?

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  410. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @antibeast

    I essentially agree with you, antibeast.

    As a foreigner and an outsider, I am always amused at the attempts by some Overseas Chinese to claim that they are the “real, authentic bearers of Chinese culture”.

    They make arguments, often long convoluted ones, about how the Mainland Chinese are lost, are descended from barbarians, are no longer truly Chinese, while of course, they (the Overseas) are.

    The closest parallel I have of this is if Australians suddenly started thinking of themselves as the true and only descendants of genuine British culture, while denigrating present day Britain as being “too Americanized and tainted by proximity to France and Germany”.

    The Hong Kong population is an example of this ludicrous tendency, often citing their wealth as proof of superiority. Predictably, as China has gotten much more advanced, the Hong Kong people have had their pretensions destroyed – which has made them suicidally angry.

    No wonder Chinese have lost all respect for Hong Kong.

    (This is just my foreigner’s perspective.)

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  411. Ber 说:
    @Anon

    VA Shiva Ayyadurai(生于 Vellayappa Ayyadurai Shiva,[2] 2 年 1963 月 3 日)[4][5] 是印度裔美国科学家、工程师和企业家。 他以他在 1970 年代后期作为新泽西州高中生时所写的名为“EMAIL”的电子邮件软件而广受争议的声称是“电子邮件的发明者”[6] 而著称。 [7][6] 来自华盛顿邮报和史密森学会等组织的重复 Ayyadurai 断言的初步报告随后被公开撤回。 [8][1970] 这些更正是由历史学家和 ARPANET 先驱的反对引发的,他们指出电子邮件在 4 年代初期已经被积极使用。 [XNUMX]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai

  412. antibeast 说:
    @Anonymous

    The closest parallel I have of this is if Australians suddenly started thinking of themselves as the true and only descendants of genuine British culture, while denigrating present day Britain as being “too Americanized and tainted by proximity to France and Germany”.

    A better analogy would be the relationship between the USA and the British Empire during the 19th century. The USA was a struggling country back then while the British Empire ruled the world. So naturally, the British looked down upon the Yanks whom they viewed as uncouth cowboys while they reigned as the civilized rulers of the British Empire. But their positions reversed during the 20th century when the British had to beg the Yanks to save them from the Germans TWICE. The British really had to swallow their pride after WWII when the USA became one of two world superpowers while the British Empire waned and faded away into the sunset.

    The Hong Kong population is an example of this ludicrous tendency, often citing their wealth as proof of superiority. Predictably, as China has gotten much more advanced, the Hong Kong people have had their pretensions destroyed – which has made them suicidally angry.

    I think it’s just envy just like White Westerners who get angry when someone praises China, even right here on UNZ.com. You see this also in the behavior of the Trump Administration in how they reacted to the rise of Chinese tech companies such as Huawei. When you’re used to being on top and the person beneath you suddenly rises above you, it strikes your sense of self-respect because you feel like losing to someone whom you’ve deemed to be inferior in so many ways. As China prospered, the mainland Chinese ended up buying HK property in bulk and shopping for Western luxury goods in droves in HK malls. This has grated the HK Chinese to no end after seeing their inferiors becoming their superiors. To their credit, the mainland Chinese have remained gracious and generous enough to accommodate the HK Chinese but it’s the latter who have betrayed their own fragile sense of self-respect, after their century-and-a-half of Western colonization. I think this is just human nature, pride and envy being two of the seven deadly sins.

    No wonder Chinese have lost all respect for Hong Kong.

    The world has lost all respect for Hong Kong. The only way that Hong Kong can regain that respect is to swallow their pride and show some humility to their new mainland Chinese superiors because the sun has already set on the British Empire in the past 20th century while the sun is now rising on China in this 21st century.

  413. Rdm 说:
    @antibeast

    IQ is relevant only if the social and political environment is conducive to economic prosperity.

    Looks like you agree to what I’m saying. But you must have thought that it debunks what I’m saying. That shows the difference between your IQ and mine. Again, I’m not saying my IQ is high. I’m just deducing your IQ from your reply.

    1. If social and political environment is conducive to ramping up the IQ, you basically saying mainland Chinese who faced a great famine and those overseas Chinese whose new political environment and social stature must be fundamentally different when it comes to IQ, isn’t it?

    这是错误的。

    Ouch … the best comeback I never expected. Then went on to talk about totally different things. Chinese strategy. The gene pool available in mainland China has been stale over 500 years.

    You probably know that Korean and Japanese borrowed words from min-nan, the dialect that originated in Fujian, rather than those “Xie Xie” Mandarin, right?
    Give you a tip
    Thank you in Korea “Cam Sia Mee Ta”
    Thank you in Min-nan “Cam Sia”

    Those mainland China who flagellating themselves as if Koreans and Japanese copies Mandarin needs to study QuanZhou.

    This is total BS, for two reasons:

    1. While it is true that the Confucian Scholar-Officials came from Northern cities which were the centers of power in Imperial China, Confucian Orthodoxy was quite hostile to merchants.

    I’m not sure your strategy in arguing what I’m saying. Total BS and it is true.

    If it is true or partially true, it shouldn’t be “total” BS. It should be only BS. ugh…Chinese way of arguing. You hear all the noise, but the nitty gritty part of the discussion was lost.

    This is a blatant lie. The guy who escaped to Taiwan was a half-Japanese, half-Chinese Fujianese named Zheng Chenggong who was born in Nagasaki, Japan to a Fujianese father and a Japanese mother.

    So for all the escapers during wartime, you came up with one guy, THE ONLY one guy who fled to the south?

    Jesus … I must have missed that one guy count in my history lesson.

    Move to the USA, the biggest debtor Nation in world history? You must be joking, right?

    The same old tactics, the biggest debtor Nation, the most corrupt country, the most authoritarian nation on earth, bla bla bla

    Have you forgotten the time you picked up a booklet “How to apply a green card in the US?” ?

    If China is so great and the US is a debtor nation, why you guys come here?

    Mainland Chinese are responsible for building high-speed rail, nuclear reactors, ballistic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, …

    I will teach you one thing so that you can reflect the way you think in the future. Not right now, of course. But eventually and gradually you’d change the way you think. Maybe 200 – 300 years from now, your progeny can thank me for enlightening their future.

    1. If you flagellate yourself, basking in the glory of the past 1000 years ago, Remember dinosaurs also once roamed the Earth.

    2. ugh… high speed rail, bla bla bla, always a proud moment in history when a coolie from Guangdong lifted a sleeper stone and built an entire rail track.

    AI, STEM? hahaha

    https://papers.nips.cc/paper/4824-imagenet-classification-with-deep-convolutional-neural-networks.pdf

    The most ground breaking image recognition that revolutionizes the way computer vision works. Alex the guy and a British guy, Gregory, father of AI. Then Chinese copies the net and do massive surveillance at home. Always a proud moment to tell the world “Chinese are responsible for building AI.”

    I can bring up all the papers with Chinese name on it, it’s always a copycat version. Change the number, tweak this and that, boom, you publish a paper. You wonder why mainland Chinese are publishing like crazy, jacking up the quantity.

    So don’t flagellate on those numbers because they are not true indicators of one’s true achievement.

    Comparing Bezo and Ma in true entrepreneurship mindset or Steve Jobs and Ren Zengfei in innovative mindset. Granted, they all are billionaires. But the true genetic composition, their innate drive, the way they see the world are day and night.

    So America will still lead in those departments because this is the place where cut-throat competition with IP protection will nurture ground-breaking innovation.

    In China, they still think doing something deviating from traditional norms will be ridiculed as

    好笑 with spitting on the street.

    If you have kids at home, tell them to brush their teeth, will ya?

    • 巨魔: d dan
  414. Rdm 说:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    It happens more prevalent than you would have believed.

    That’s why you go to China town in the US, even in the middle of nowhere with a bit of Chinese community, you’d see old Chinese speaking in only their language. Their English is bare minimum. When I say bare minimum, it’s literally bare minimum.

    If they’re below 65, they have medicaid. Go and sit in China market for a day and learn what kind of payments those old people are using at the market. You’d see clearly.

    But those at slightly above average middle earners from mainland China, have different opinions. They become chest thumping once they obtained green cards, then spew out how awesome their homeland is, forget about a large proportion of their backward fellow countrymen either at back home or here in the States.

    But compare to this medicare and medicaid abuse, Mexicans can still top the Chinese. So news about Chinese is still under the radar.

  415. @Daniel Chieh

    Indeed… Those same forces that claim China is lying about Japanese atrocities have basically told South Korea to just shut up too about Japanese atrocities against them… South Koreans resent that.

  416. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I didn’t miss the point… I laid out an argument against each false point you tried to make.

  417. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    Germanic invaders destroyed Roman society.

    The Germanics like the Ostrogoths recreated Roman society and culture.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  418. @antibeast

    Agreed… Which is why there is so much anger against China. They are as smart as Japanese and Koreans – but much much bigger – which means they can move the market.

  419. @antibeast

    I’m sorry – but that’s not correct. NYC’s metro area Chinese population is nearly twice that of the San Francisco Bay Area.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/chinese-immigrants-united-states/

  420. antibeast 说:
    @Rdm

    If social and political environment is conducive to ramping up the IQ, you basically saying mainland Chinese who faced a great famine and those overseas Chinese whose new political environment and social stature must be fundamentally different when it comes to IQ, isn’t it?

    I didn’t say that, you did. People like you always bring up the IQ (genetics) vs environment dialectic. I am not going to fall into your genetics trap on whether Northern Chinese vs Southern Chinese have higher IQs. All I am saying is that IQ is irrelevant if the socio-political environment is not conducive to economic development.

    Ouch … the best comeback I never expected. Then went on to talk about totally different things. Chinese strategy. The gene pool available in mainland China has been stale over 500 years.

    You probably know that Korean and Japanese borrowed words from min-nan, the dialect that originated in Fujian, rather than those “Xie Xie” Mandarin, right?
    Give you a tip
    Thank you in Korea “Cam Sia Mee Ta”
    Thank you in Min-nan “Cam Sia”

    Those mainland China who flagellating themselves as if Koreans and Japanese copies Mandarin needs to study QuanZhou.

    Ahhh…the myth of the Chinese ants who all look alike. China has always been an ethnically diverse Empire and a multicultural civilization since the Han Dynasty expanded westward and annexed the Xibu region in what is now Xinjiang. Did you know that Buddhism came to China from Tocharians (who were Indo-Europeans) during the Han Dynasty when the Silk Road passed through the Xibu region? Over time, all kinds of people settled in China — Persians, Uyghurs, Mongols, Manchus, Tibetans, Liaos, Khitans, Turks, Arabs, etc. — bringing with them all kinds of religions, cuisines, cultures, languages, customs, etc. After the Mongol and Manchu conquests, the Chinese Empire became much more militaristic and expanded massively during the Yuan (Mongol) and the Qing (Manchu) dynasties.

    Your knowledge of East Asian history is highly superficial. Japan and Korea have had the most contact with Chinese traders from Fujian, the Southeastern province close to Taiwan, which has a 1,000-year history of trading with Asia. Quanzhou was the trading port of the Maritime Silk Road, sort of like HK starting from the Song Dynasty, all the way to the Spanish Galleon Trade. That’s how Min-nan words came to Japan and South Korea, both of which had adopted Classical Chinese Culture from the Mainland Chinese not from the Southern Chinese. As Fujian () and Guangdong () were never the centers of culture and power in Imperial China, they have had little ideological and cultural influences on Japan and South Korea with the exception of Zhu Xi (Father of Neo-Confucianism) and Zheng Chenggong, both who were from Fujian.

    I’m not sure your strategy in arguing what I’m saying. Total BS and it is true. If it is true or partially true, it shouldn’t be “total” BS. It should be only BS. ugh…Chinese way of arguing. You hear all the noise, but the nitty gritty part of the discussion was lost.

    The problem is that you can’t come up with factual statements to support your conclusions. All you’re doing is making conclusions based on your premises which is the logical fallacy of circular logic.

    So for all the escapers during wartime, you came up with one guy, THE ONLY one guy who fled to the south? Jesus … I must have missed that one guy count in my history lesson.

    Red herring. I didn’t say that one guy moved to Taiwan; I said he led the revolt against the Manchus and fled to Taiwan, together with his followers. That’s how large-scale settlement of Taiwan from Fujian started which is why Taiwanese is in fact a version of the Min-Nan dialect spoken in Fujian. That’s ethno-linguistic proof that Taiwanese are mostly descendants of Fujianese immigrants not Mainland Chinese immigrants as you claim. It was only later after Chiang fled to Taiwan that his KMT followers (mostly Mainland Chinese) settled in Taiwan.

    The same old tactics, the biggest debtor Nation, the most corrupt country, the most authoritarian nation on earth, bla bla bla. Have you forgotten the time you picked up a booklet “How to apply a green card in the US?”? If China is so great and the US is a debtor nation, why you guys come here?

    Work. The same reason why Westerners come to China. Taiwanese immigrants to California’s Silicon Valley DID move back to Taiwan to start their high-tech companies in the Hsinchu Science Park. So did the Cantonese immigrants in San Francisco who moved back to Guangdong Province to invest their earnings there. It used to be mostly Cantonese immigrants who work in the restaurants, groceries, laundry shops, etc. in San Francisco. But nowadays, Mexican illegals have largely replaced those Cantonese immigrants. What has happened over the last 20 years is that mainland Chinese immigrants have moved into California while the Cantonese and Taiwanese immigrants have moved back to mainland China. But I see this trend reversing in the coming decades as the mainland Chinese immigrants move back to China.

    This is part of the globalization of the Chinese economy. Nothing particular about this phenomenon which is not unique to China. Mexico also experienced massive waves of emigration due to the globalization of the Mexican economy.

    I will teach you one thing so that you can reflect the way you think in the future. Not right now, of course. But eventually and gradually you’d change the way you think. Maybe 200 – 300 years from now, your progeny can thank me for enlightening their future.

    1. If you flagellate yourself, basking in the glory of the past 1000 years ago, Remember dinosaurs also once roamed the Earth.

    2. ugh… high speed rail, bla bla bla, always a proud moment in history when a coolie from Guangdong lifted a sleeper stone and built an entire rail track.

    AI, STEM? hahaha

    The high-tech industries I cited in my last reply emerged in China during the last 10-20 years, which were accomplished by mainland Chinese, just to disprove your claim that they’re mostly low-IQ (genetics again) mainland Chinese coolies who only want a green card from the USA.

    The most ground breaking image recognition that revolutionizes the way computer vision works. Alex the guy and a British guy, Gregory, father of AI. Then Chinese copies the net and do massive surveillance at home. Always a proud moment to tell the world “Chinese are responsible for building AI.”

    Sure. More power to them. I never claimed otherwise, you did. All I did was to rebut your arguments about mainland Chinese being low-IQ coolies due to centuries of warfare forcing high-IQ scholar-officials to migrate southward and overseas. I am sure the mainland Chinese studied and learned from the scholarly work of Western AI scientists but the fact remains that the mainland Chinese DID succeed in creating their own AI systems — from chipsets to devices to software to apps to services — separate from Western achievements in AI which I didn’t deny. The Japanese did the same thing as what the mainland Chinese are doing now — studying and learning from Western scientists and then creating their own world-class technology industries.

    I can bring up all the papers with Chinese name on it, it’s always a copycat version. Change the number, tweak this and that, boom, you publish a paper. You wonder why mainland Chinese are publishing like crazy, jacking up the quantity. So don’t flagellate on those numbers because they are not true indicators of one’s true achievement.

    I think you misunderstand East Asians just like a lot of Westerners who make the mistake of conflating Western Science with East Asian Technology. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of internal combustion engines (that was the Germans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of automotive manufacturing. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of semiconductor physics/chemistry (that was the Americans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of semiconductor manufacturing. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of electric locomotives and railways (that was the Germans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of high-speed rail.

    Well, guess what? The mainland Chinese are now doing the same thing in the high-tech industries listed above by creating their own East Asian Technologies based on Western Science. This tendency to favor Technology over Science in East Asia has nothing to do with genetics but with economics. East Asians went about industrializing their economies by investing in world-class technology industries. The Russians/Eastern Europeans, in contrast, invest more in world-class science industries but East Asia succeeded in becoming economically prosperous while Russia/Eastern Europe stagnated economically even though Russia/Eastern Europe have better science industries than East Asia.

    Doing scientific research and publishing papers are nice to have because they give you bragging rights about having higher IQs. But East Asians want to make money not brag about having higher IQs. The Russians/Eastern Europeans can brag about their chess players and particle physicists and abstract mathematicians all they want but they’re not going to make a lot of money bragging about their higher IQs.

    Comparing Bezo and Ma in true entrepreneurship mindset or Steve Jobs and Ren Zengfei in innovative mindset. Granted, they all are billionaires. But the true genetic composition, their innate drive, the way they see the world are day and night.

    Jeff Bezos and Jack Ma are both Capitalists not Technologists unlike Steve Jobs or Ren Zengfei. Steve Jobs is half-Syrian so his success has nothing to do with genetics but more likely due to the environment in Northern California. If he had grown up in Syria, I don’t think Steve Jobs would have been able to do much in a war-torn country in the Middle East. Same with Ren Zengfei. If Deng didn’t allow private enterprises, then Chinese technologists like Ren would have languished in some State-owned Enterprises, bottling up his business acumen. As it were, Ren started out by setting up shop in Shenzhen where he began his entrepreneurial career importing and distributing foreign-made telecom equipment before branching out to manufacturing and later investing in technology R&D. Another Chinese entrepreneur by the name of Pony Ma started a small company in Shenzhen doing messaging software and later branching out to online video games. That company which later became the world’s largest publisher of online video games is called Tencent. Guess what is the market cap of HK-listed Tencent? US\$450B.

    So you’re now claiming that both Ren Zengfei and Pony Ma are low-IQ mainland Chinese peasants who only want a US Green Card?

    So America will still lead in those departments because this is the place where cut-throat competition with IP protection will nurture ground-breaking innovation.

    Xi/Li are fixing that problem which the Chinese authorities have acknowledge as impeding the development of world-class technology industries in China. Remember Deng’s market reforms? Well, China lacked the institutional mechanisms to deal with private entrepreneurs operating in a market economy after Deng introduced those market reforms. That’s what gave rise to endemic graft and corruption after China liberalized its economy. The solution is not more “homo rights”, “freedumb” and “dumbocracy” which is what the Western World has today but more State control of the economy. Now, I didn’t say State ownership but State control of the economy. That means more State-directed industrial policies aimed at creating world-class technology industries in China which is exactly what other East Asian industrialized economies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore went through. My prediction is that China will become MORE not LESS Capitalist as the Chinese State creates its own class of homegrown Chinese MNCs operating globally and competing against Western and East Asian MNCs.

    In China, they still think doing something deviating from traditional norms will be ridiculed as

    好笑 with spitting on the street.

    If you have kids at home, tell them to brush their teeth, will ya?

    Anti-social behavior is frowned upon but it takes a while to socialize Chinese 土豪 peasants into becoming urbane sophisticates. This cultural norm, however, is neither unique to China nor pejorative to the Chinese. In fact, it’s part of Confucianist East Asia, from Japan all the way to Singapore, which emphasizes social harmony over and above individual freedom.

    • 同意: Daniel Chieh, d dan
  421. @Rdm

    Another hopeful looking forward to follow in the coattails of Gordon Chang.

  422. antibeast 说:
    @Malla

    The Germanics hated the Romans so much so that they destroyed Roman Civilization after the Fall of Rome. The Germanics never became romanized by the Romans and thus remained barbarians. The Germanic Kingdoms they founded on the ruins of Roman Civilization were barbarian Kingdoms without the benefit of Roman Law, Roman Government, Roman Science, Roman Engineering, Roman Technology, Roman Philosophy, Roman Politics, Roman Art, Roman Architecture, etc. The only entity that saved the remnants of Roman Civilization was the Roman Catholic Church and the only people who studied, read and spoke Latin were Roman Catholic Priests. Outside of the Church, the Western World descended into the so-called “Dark Ages” for a thousand years.

    • 回复: @Malla
  423. Anonymous[798]• 免责声明 说:
    @Rdm

    LOL, I read the whole spiel by this Rdm.

    If he/she is not of Chinese descent, then most of Rdm’s views on the relative intelligence and capacities of Mainland versus Overseas Chinese reads like it comes from very limited personal experience (exposure to only Overseas Chinese), popular stereotypes of China, and/or extremely outdated thinking.

    If Rdm however IS somehow connected to an overseas Chinese community (does Rdm live in the Bay Area” Is he/she pro Taiwan?) then here’s the TLDR:

    “I use convoluted and faulty logic, cite spurious “examples” and insist that Overseas Chinese are superior to Mainlanders, that they are smarter for sucking up to the white man, that they made the right choice to give up their race and culture – and most of all, I am DEEPLY insecure about China’s rise and hate that they are overtaking my beloved Overseas Chinese.”

    You can almost here him/her thinking:

    “Dammit, Overseas Chinese had to give up their homes, their racial self-respect and their whole identity to have material wealth. Now these Mainland Chinese, who gave up none of that, who retained their racial and cultural integrity and feel in no way inferior to anyone, still achieve stunning success anyway! Life’s not f*ckin’ fair!”

    Just IMHO, having lived in China itself, and among Overseas Chinese – and observed their attitudes.

  424. @Malla

    The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read… Very similar to the Nazi apologists.
    Everyone with sense knows the common people didn’t like the Nationalists…. Most turned to the CCP and not the Japanese. The Nationalists got run off the mainland because the CCP guerilla tactics did a better job against the Japanese. Even Nationalist soldiers defected to the CCP. One thing Nationalists and Communists held in common was there disdain for what Japan did ALL OVER China. And it happened all over South East Asia as well. To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.
    The Nazis could also produce propaganda photos of Poles and even Russians “welcoming” and “cheering” them too. It’s pathetic really. You are from India??? The Brits can produce those of Indians who loved them too.
    It would be a joke – but the scary part is you believe it.

    • 同意: d dan
    • 不同意: Daniel Chieh
    • 回复: @Malla
  425. @Malla

    Wow! you are Waaayyyy out in left field. Mongolia as a nation exists today because the west made a deal with Stalin. The Nationalists didn’t like it – but since when did white men care what Chinese wanted…??? In case you didn’t realize – the Nationalists also had good relations with the Soviets and Nazis. Mao and Stalin never got along. But to claim the west wanted the CCP in power is complete stupidity… I’m sorry… Even while the Nationalists and “Cash my Check” for clearly fleecing the US for all their financial support – they still kept supporting them. That’s the only reason Taiwan is not under complete control of the PRC right now. Taiwan remains the main source of tension today between the PRC and the USA. Taiwan was the main CIA station for decades and multiple plots to overthrow the PRC were launched from their. That is not conspiracy… Those are declassified documents. Some don’t even need to be… Such as the fact the US was giving the ROC in Taiwan U2 spy planes – and drones – which were shot down by the PRC.

    • 回复: @d dan
    , @Malla
  426. @Anonymous

    It’s actually not just the Cantonese in Hong Kong. The Cantonese on the mainland can behave similar. Ask any Hakka or Taishanese that lived in Cantonese areas. Generational wars were fought. Hong Kong is a concentrated and extreme form of it.

  427. d dan 说:
    @showmethereal

    I never pay attention to this poster Malla until I saw your reply. Yes, quite ignorant person. Don’t forget India supported Nazi, and even today, some still think it is a good thing that Japanese invaded China and massacred Chinese. They could be more fanatic than Japanese when given a chance.

    • 巨魔: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  428. Malla 说:
    @d dan

    Don’t forget India supported Nazi,

    Idiotic comment. It was Shubhash Chandra Bose who supported the National Socialists because he wanted independence from Britain. Officially India did not support the Axis forces.

    They could be more fanatic than Japanese when given a chance

    Actually most Indians think the same about the Chinese. Indeed most Indians (1.3 billion of us) look at China as a colonial power, British 2.0. I do not agree with this dumb analysis of most of my countrymen….

    But such stupid analysis is not restricted to my countrymen. A billion people on the other side of the Himalayas are prone to the same.

    • 哈哈: d dan
  429. Malla 说:
    @showmethereal

    But to claim the west wanted the CCP in power is complete stupidity…

    It sounds like stupidity, but it is reality. Indeed the Western elites have repeatedly supported Communist regimes. The U.S. State department also supported Castro. The world is not as simple as you think…..

  430. Malla 说:
    @showmethereal

    The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read…

    No I do not. I do not belive the stuff you write sometimes.

    Listen, during WW2, there was a lot of propaganda against the Axis and since the Axis lost a lot of that anti-Axis propaganda has crystallized into “historical facts”. We should be able to revise everything in history.
    In India, all Indians think that during the 1962 Indo-China war , China invaded India after backstabbing us, that China was jalous of a rising India and wanted to keep us down. But if you were to show them the truth that it was India which invaded China, most Indians would think you are a madman and tell you “The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read…” or “To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.”
    To 1.3 billion Indians, China attacked India because of jealousy of India and to keep India down. if you say reality the response you will get is “To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.”

    Everyone with sense knows the common people didn’t like the Nationalists

    Everybody with sense????

    The truth is we believe what our governments via education and media (which is always controlled) and academia, want us to believe.

    • 哈哈: d dan
  431. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    That is a very simplistic understanding of European history of that period. The truth is, the Roman Empire would have fallen from it’s internal troubles anyways, Germanic or no Germanic invasion. Besides, many Germanics had already Romanised to create a type of Germano-Roman culture. Indeed Belisarius, in his conquest of Italy for the Byzantinians had commented on how well the Ostrogoths had preserved Roman institutions, Roman law and Roman culture. And the concept of “Dark Ages” is a new concept, at most a couple of centuries old. the Medieval Europeans did not call themselves the “Living in the Dark Ages”, this is a modern description of that period. Also, the idea of Goths as “barbarians”, much like the idea of Gauls as “barbarians”, would continue to flourish in Italy, its continuance, in fact, would become the ammo of the Byzantine propaganda machine during Empreror Justinian’s reconquest.

    Let us understand the life of Theoderic, the OstroGoth, who conquered Rome at the “fall” of the Roman Empire.

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    Theoderic was the son of the Ostrogothic sub-king Theodemir, who had become a federate of the eastern emperor Marcian in the 450s and had settled in Pannonia which had a huge Goth population by then. Theoderic was born in a Gothic region in Pannonia and hence within the boundaries of the Roman Empire. The Pannonian Goths to which he belonged had already been undergoing a process of Romanization for generations at this time and were continuing to do so into the sixth century, a process that was rendering them provinicialized to an extent that could be more or less recognizable as Roman to other Romans. Very early in his youth, sometime around the age of eight, the young princeling Theoderic was sent to Constantinople as a hostage, ensuring the conditions of a treaty established between King Valamir (his uncle) and Emperor Leo I.Here he remained for a decade, at which time he returned to Pannonia and eventually inherited from his father his uncle’s position as a king.
    As a royal hostage of the imperial court, Theoderic had run within aristocratic circles and been reared as essentially the son of a Roman dignitary, exposed to all the luxury and high culture available in the eastern capital.

    It was Greece, according to Magnus Felix Ennodius, the Gallo Roman bishop of Pavia, not Rome, which had raised Theoderic, and it was the eastern Empire and its customs in which Theoderic claimed he had been steeped. As a representative of the East, therefore, Theoderic was at times considered east Roman or alternatively foreign and “Greek” depending on the context by the Western Roman elites. His situation thus closely resembled that of Anthemius or Julius Nepos, rather than that of Ricimer and Odovacer. Like these “Greeks,” Theoderic ran the risk of being construed in Italy as an imperial appointee from Constantinople, selected without Italian consultation. This caused a lot of resentment & could be extremely divisive, reminding those in Italy of their “true” Roman pedigree and the “provincial” or semi-barbarous status of others including the “Eastern Greeks”. Fear of oriental rule had a long history in Italy, but the significant role played by such oriental rulers during the perceived decline of the Empire in the fifth century exacerbated such feelings.

    Even in the eyes of a Grecophile Romans like Cassiodorus, eastern Romans were seen as stereotypically negative Greeks of their time, with typical middle Eastern traits i.e. effeminate and weak, manipulative and scheming, and prone to despotism. Indeed Eastern despotism was often contrasted with Western liberty. It was eastern despotism which marginalized the Italo-Roman aristocracy and its Senate; eastern despots who coveted and successfully plied away Italian lands in the Balkans; and eastern appointees who failed to defend the western Empire and continued it along its decadent path, an affirmation, perhaps, of their Eastern Greek effeminacy. Such sterotypes of the Eastern Romans by the Western Roman aristocracy caused easterners who were proudly Roman to have their Romanness called into question. Theoderic inherited this “bungled” Greek legacy and was therefore vulnerable (especially at the beginning of his reign) to rejection on account of his perceived “Greekness”. It was his “Eastern Greekness” which was causing more of a problem for his acceptance by the Western Romans than his Gothness. Military Victory, would however continue to legitimize Theoderic in Italy, both among his Goths and Western Romans, though interestingly enough he would not lead any armies personally after 493.

    However, Theoderic’s credentials as an east-Roman statesman were exceedingly illustrious, designated by his offices having earned him the highest rank available in the Empire, Virinlustris. This career had begun in 475, when the emperor Zeno had been deposed by the usurper Basiliscus and Theoderic had furnished the military aid necessary to restore him to the throne. An apparently grateful Zeno then commissioned Theoderic in 476 with a high military command in the Balkans, granting him the office of Magister Militum Praesentalis and making him a patrician. He likewise proclaimed him as an imperial friend (amicus) and adopted him as his son-in-arms. A period of intermittent hostilities, political manipulation, and open rebellion typified the close of this decade and the beginning of the next, but by 483 Theoderic and Zeno had again come to a peaceful agreement.

    Besides, marriages in between Celtic/Germanian nobility and Roman nobility was quite common for some time. It allowed the Visigoth Athaulf to father through his Roman wife, Placidia, an heir to the Theodosian purple, aptly named Theodosius. Poet Apollinaris Sidonius, lauded the marriage alliance struck between the Germanic Ricimer and Anthemius, the Western Roman Emperor, drawing specific attention to Ricimer’s impressive royal pedigree. The scion of two royal parents, one Gothic and the other Suevic, “two kingdoms summoned Ricimer to rule,” allowing Anthemius to be “blessed through his son-in-law.” Ricimer was Suevic on his father’s side and Visigothic on his mother’s, his maternal grandfather being Wallia, King of the Visigoths & his Suevic father was a son of Hermeric, the king of the Suevi. Ricimer’s royalty was also correlated with the emperor’s own, Sidonius avowing to the new Augustus, “your maiden is royal, so too is my Ricimer: both glitter with nobility.” Indeed, not only had Germanic Ricimer’s royal blood made him a virtual equal of Roman Emprorer Anthemius, but it had allowed him to become the representative of the West, a west-Roman, in a marriage alliance understood to strengthen the ties between both halves of the Empire.

    Much like Ricimer, Theoderic’s royal lineage served to legitimize him before elite Roman audiences. Theoderic’s arrival, it could have certain restorative properties, returning dignity to the western Roman Empire by reestablishing the rule of an especially noble man. The absence of such a ruler had always troubled Rome’s senators, but particularly those of the early sixth century, who believed that the stewardship of the Empire by exceedingly ignoble and ignorant men had contributed to its decline and decadence over the course of the fifth century.

    Theoderic’s royal descent was very important for Magnus Felix Ennodius, the Gallo Roman bishop of Pavia (and by extension other Italo-Romans)
    “When,” he asked in The Panegyric of Theodoric, “has such a man, begotten from kings renowned since the very infancy of the world, been chanced upon by a reader?”, highlighting the antiquity, so important to western Romans, of Theoderic’s noble line. The eastern consul and later western princeps was more than just a born king; he was a king descended from kings famous from the beginning of time, a pedigree of duration unsurpassed in the West. Known members of Theoderic’s family-tree were thus esteemed by all, and their nobility, in fact, obliged their descendant to “nobly defend the deeds of his house,” something that many descendants of illustrious families often failed to do.

    Already in the first decade of the sixth century, then, Ennodius was associating Amal descent with Gothic victory and valor, but again, such ideals were not oppositional or ambivalent to Romanness; they were understood to be ancient Roman virtues necessary for the restoration of the western Empire. Indeed, this episode suggested that the Amals (and by extension all the Goths) were an important attribute for Roman emperors and their soldiers which had been lost over the course of the fifth century through a process of feminization. The presence of Theoderic and his Goths, however, now changed this. Theoderic could rightly claim to his mother that the battlefield would “make known the gender of your son, since you begot a [real] man at the happy time of my birth.” Such words clearly highlighted the virtus (manliness, courage, valor) that the Amals and their Goths both represented and restored to Italy. Though Gothic, this collective virtus nonetheless restored the Roman Empire to its former limits of the Republic,”while his sword, which decorated his side along with his fine robes, was described as “the defender of liberty.” And by this, of course, Ennodius meant Western Roman liberty.
    Theoderic’s royal birth thus served two very important purposes within Ennodius’ writings. Its antiquity and fame validated his claims to rulership, much as its lack in his predecessors, immediate and not so immediate, had invalidated theirs. Secondly it evoked Theoderic’s Gothicness, but in a way complementary to his already recognizably noble and Roman qualities. The combination made him an ideal ruler in the West: pedigreed, cultured, and, most important given the military failures of the fifth century and their blow to Roman prestige, victorious. Royal birth, according to Ennodius, made Theoderic a king, but it was his valor and judgment that asserted it. Likewise Theoderic’s noble pedigree won him approbation in Rome, but his conduct on behalf of the Republic demonstrated that he was truly “worthy to be joined among the emperors.”

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  432. @Tor597

    It’s all relative. A single income factory worker could afford two cars and a nice house in a good neighbor when we produced everything.

  433. Smith 说:

    @反野兽
    @ Daniel Chieh

    Regardless of the flaunted victory of China, their backstabbing of the USSR and Vietnam will be remembered by Russia and Vietnam. There are honey words now from China but there are constant chinese probing (Senkaku islands, South East Asian sea), and this will in turn militarize Vietnam, Japan and India further.

    Meanwhile, Vietnam has keep its mainland integrity, and its government, while friendly to China, isn’t controlled by China, this is a huge blow to the chinese strategy, because as long as Vietnam, Japan and India breath and have independent government, China cannot control Asia.

    And quit with the anti-Japanese act, no one except chinks and koreans hate Japan, and they hate them because they are competing powers, not any for flimsy massacres.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @showmethereal
  434. antibeast 说:
    @Malla

    Let us understand the life of Theoderic, the OstroGoth, who conquered Rome at the “fall” of the Roman Empire.

    Wrong, it was Odoacer who conquered Rome and deposed the last Roman Emperor, Romulus Augustulus in 476AD. But the Germanic Warlord Alaric led the VisiGoths (Western Goths) to sack Rome in 410AD while the Vandals sacked Rome again in 455AD. Theodoric then led the OstroGoths (Eastern Goths) to seize Rome from Odoacer in order to revive the Western Roman Empire but his reign was short-lived. So the “Fall of the Roman Empire” occurred over a period of 66 years (410-476AD), with Roman culture revived by Theodoric in Italy which was finally annexed by the Byzantine Empire.

    You’re correct that Theodoric admired Roman culture and tried to revive it in Italy but he never learned to speak, read nor write Latin even though he was raised in Constantinople. The Germanic Kingdoms did what they knew best which was to fight and kill each other — all the time — outside of the Roman Church, where Catholic Priests preserved the remnants of Roman Civilization in the form of Canon Law (Roman Law), Clerical Government (Roman Government), Catholic Saints (Roman Deities), Christian Cathedrals (Roman Architecture), Scholastic Philosophy (Roman Philosophy), Medieval Latin (Classical Latin), etc. The West regressed to Medieval Feudalism while the East prospered for a thousand years until the Italian Renaissance when Commerce and Industry, Science and Technology, returned to the West.

    So who created Classical Western Civilization? The Romans. Who saved Medieval Western Civilization from the Germanic barbarians? The Roman Christians. Who revived Modern Western Civilization? The Italians.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  435. @Smith

    The cope is strong in this one. But he still can’t figure out how to use the reply button.

    • 回复: @Smith
  436. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    Wrong, it was Odoacer who conquered Rome and deposed the last Roman Emperor, Romulus Augustulus in 476AD.

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    Thanks for the correction. but again Odoacer was an officer in the Roman Army. Odoacer was not a barbarian invader but a fed-up general turned populist-strongman who built a following among disparate disaffected groups within the empire who had the one thing in common of being utterly exasperated with the elite families vying with each other for the throne.
    Also, Odovacar established his political power with the co-operation of the Roman Senate, and this body seems to have given him their loyal support throughout his reign. Odovacar regularly nominated members of the Senate to the Consulate and other prestigious offices: “Basilius, Decius, Venantius, and Manlius Boethius held the consulship and were either Prefects of Rome or Praetorian Prefects; Symmachus and Sividius were consuls and Prefects of Rome; another senator of old family, Cassiodorus, was appointed a minister of finance.” Historian Arnold Hugh Martin Jones in his book “The later Roman Empire, 284-602 : a social economic and administrative survey” writes that under Odoacer the Senate acquired “enhanced prestige and influence” in order to counter any desires for restoration of Imperial rule. One example of this renewed prestige, for the first time since the mid-3rd century copper coins were issued with the legend S(enatus) C(onsulto). Jones describes these coins as “fine big copper pieces”, which were “a great improvement on the miserable little nummi hitherto current”, and not only were they copied by the Vandal Kingdom in Africa, but they formed the basis of the currency reform by Emperor Anastasius I Dicorus of the Eastern Empire.

    Alaric led the VisiGoths (Western Goths) to sack Rome in 410AD

    Alaric gathered together an army of Goths, Huns and freed slaves and crossed the Alps into Italy. His army was well-organized, not a mob. Honorius was incompetent and completely out of touch, a so-called “shadow emperor” – emperors who ruled in the shadow of the military. He didn’t even live in Rome but had a villa in nearby Ravenna.

    Alaric sat outside the city, and over time, as the food and water in the city became increasingly scarce, Rome began to weaken. Alaric had never wanted war but only land and recognition for his people, entered Rome in August of 410 CE. He would stay for three days and completely sack the city; although he would leave St. Paul and St Peters alone. Honorius remained totally blind to the seriousness of the situation. While temporarily agreeing to Alaric’s demands – something he never intended to honor – 6,000 Roman soldiers were sent to defend the city, but they were quickly defeated.

    But the fact is the Western Empire didn’t actually “fall”. It mutated. The “barbarians” who took over , took up Roman culture to create a Germano)Roman Culture — and many if them became Christians! Also, the local provincials — and even most of the lower orders of Italy — considered them liberators. It was really only in Britain where the invasion of pagan Angles,Saxons & Jutes overthrew the Gallo-Roman culture of what became England, driving the Romanised Celtic Britonic refugees into the hills of Wales. By contrast, the Vandals out-cultured and out-engineered the Romans. The Lombards would later give Italy the most stable, effective, and benevolent government it has seen in centuries. But then Justinian had to come in and destroy both the Vandal and the Lombard kingdoms just to for his own vainglory.
    The great Belgian historian, Henri Pirenne observed that the early “barbarian” kingdoms were very much continuations of Roman civilization, even if weakened, fragmented, and under new management, and the formal termination of the Western emperorship in 476 was of little significance,

    The Visigoths built a fine culture in Iberia and Southern France that well fused Germanic, Celtic, Romance, and Hellenistic elements. And it would last until the Moslem invaders destroyed it.

    西哥特式的辉煌:前伊斯兰时期的西班牙蓬勃发展的知识生活

  437. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    The “fall” of (Western) Rome was complicated. Many causes have been advanced on this issue. For example, English historian Edward Gibbon, points to the rise of Christianity and its effect on the Roman psyche for the collapse of the Roman Empire. Historian Polybius, a 2nd century BCE writer, pointed to a dying republic (years before it actually fell) – a victim of its declining moral virtue and the rise of vice within. Edward Gibbon supported this sentiment as he blamed rise of Christianity as a factor in the “tale of woe” for the empire. He held the religion sowed internal division and encouraged a “turn-the-other-cheek mentality” which ultimately condemned the war machine. When the Roman Empire started, there was no such religion as Christianity. When Constantine established a state-level religious tolerance in the Roman Empire, he took on the title of Pontiff. Although he was not necessarily a Christian himself (he wasn’t baptized until he was on his deathbed), he gave Christians privileges and oversaw major Christian religious disputes. He may not have understood how the pagan cults, including those of the emperors, were at odds with the new monotheistic religion, but they were, and in time the old Roman religions lost out.

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    Over time, Christian church leaders became increasingly influential, eroding the emperors’ powers. For example, when Bishop Ambrose (340–397 CE) threatened to withhold the sacraments, Emperor Theodosius did the penance the Bishop assigned him. Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion in 390 CE. Since Roman civic and religious life were deeply connected—priestesses controlled the fortune of Rome, prophetic books told leaders what they needed to do to win wars, and emperors were deified—Christian religious beliefs and allegiances conflicted with the working of empire.

    However the problem with Gibbon’s theory is that the Eastern Roman Empire survived as a Christian civilization and many of the invading Germanics were Christians too. However in his support we note that, in the West, a career in the Church became a potential path to political power and wealth, as during the pre-Reformation Church. Bishops were getting appointed to political office (Sidonius Appolinaris, the bishop of Arles in the mid 5th century for example). Clergy were exempt from military service, so many became priests or monks to avoid it. Senators didnt want to pay for a strong army, but gave huge sums to the Church. In the East, the Church was under tighter control by the emperor (a system known as Caesaropapism) and this was less of an issue.

    After the Dacian Wars in the Second Century there was little opportunity to win wars that brought in gold and silver to Rome without great military expenditures. The Germanics at times were embraced by Rome, who used them as suppliers of tax revenue and bodies for the military, promoting them to positions of high power. But Rome also lost territory and revenue to some of them, especially in northern Africa, which Rome lost to the Vandals at the time of St. Augustine in the early 5th century CE. At the same time the Vandals took over the Roman territory in Africa, Rome lost Spain to the Sueves, Alans, and Visigoths. The loss of Spain meant Rome lost revenue along with the territory and administrative control, a perfect example of the interconnected causes leading to Rome’s fall. That revenue was needed to support Rome’s army and Rome needed its army to keep what territory it still maintained.
    The decay of the Roman army, according to the 5th-century Roman historian Vegetius, came from within the army itself. The Roman army grew sissified, weak and would often flee from battle. There was cessation of the discipline & rigorous drills. Vegetius said the leaders became incompetent and rewards were unfairly distributed.

    Some scholars have even suggested that the Romans suffered from lead poisoning. Check out this paper by Delile, Hugo, et al. “Lead in Ancient Rome’s City Waters.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.
     Apparently, there was lead in Roman drinking water, leached in from water pipes used in the vast Roman water control system; lead glazes on containers that came in contact with food and beverages; and food preparation techniques that could have contributed to heavy metal poisoning. The lead was also used in cosmetics, even though it was also known in Roman times as a deadly poison and used in contraception.

    Other reasons blamed include was population decline from intensified epidemic disease. Environmental degradation and climate change may also have worsened conditions, but disease was particularly destructive of dense populations and continuity, whether Roman civilization vs. outlying regions, Roman cities vs. countryside, or traditionally educated elites vs. new and spreading religions. This decline started in the 1st century and reached a nadir in the 600s with populations lower than any time since, or for millenia earlier.

    • 回复: @antibeast
  438. Malla 说:
    @antibeast

    The West regressed to Medieval Feudalism while the East prospered for a thousand years until the Italian Renaissance when Commerce and Industry, Science and Technology, returned to the West.

    This “backward’ Medieval Europe is B.S. trope, now rightfully challenged.

    中世纪的西欧“不先进”吗?

    How Dark Were the Dark Ages?

    • 同意: Miro23
    • 回复: @antibeast
    , @Anon
  439. antibeast 说:
    @Malla

    The English are anti-Catholic as are their Anglo-American descendants in the USA. So that could explain why the English historian Edward Gibbon viewed Roman Christianity negatively. But I agree with you that the “Fall of the West” occurred over an extended period of time which could be aptly called the “Decline of the West”. In addition to the legalization and adoption of the new Christian religion, the fact that Emperor Constantine moved the Imperial Capital of the Roman Empire east to Constantinople would also indicate “decline” of the Western Roman Empire giving rise to the Eastern Byzantium.

    After the Hunnic invasions of Northern Europe forced the Germanic tribes to settle southwards to the margins of the Roman Empire, the Romans treated the Germanic barbarian tribes with contempt by enslaving them or keeping them out. Decades later, the Romans recruited Germanic warriors such as Alaric and Odoacer as mercernaries (Foederati) into the Roman Army to help defend the Roman Empire from the Germanic barbarian tribes. But as Roman society degenerated morally, the Germanic warriors themselves became thoroughly disgusted with the vices, violence and venality of the Romans. That’s why after the Germanic barbarian tribes descended into the Western Roman Empire in England (Angles, Saxons), France (Franks), Iberia (Visigoths), Italy (Ostrogoths) and North Africa (Vandals), the Germanic warriors in the Roman Army led by Alaric and Odoacer rebelled against the Roman Empire by sacking Rome and killing the Romans while the oppressed and subjugated White slaves rejoiced and welcomed their Germanic liberators.

  440. antibeast 说:
    @Malla

    I didn’t say that the Islamic Kingdoms which invaded and destroyed the Visigothic Kingdom were more “advanced” than the Medieval West.

    The Visigoths invented the Visigothic Code which was exemplary at the time because the Germanic barbarian tribes possessed an oral legal tradition unlike the Romans who codified their legal system. To codify the Germanic customary law into written form, the Visigoths came up with the legal principle of “equal protection of the laws” which applied the law equally to everyone, regardless of ethnicity. As per Wikipedia:

    The code abolished the old tradition of having different laws for Romans (leges romanae) and Visigoths (莱格斯·barbarorum), and under which all the subjects of the Visigothic kingdom would stop being romani and gothi instead becoming hispani. In this way, all subjects of the kingdom were gathered under the same jurisdiction, eliminating social and legal differences, and allowing greater assimilation of the populations. As such, the Code marks the transition from the Roman law to Germanic law and is one of the best surviving examples of 莱格斯·barbarorum. It combines elements of the Roman law, Catholic law and Germanic tribal customary law.

    This was one reason why the Germanic warriors of the Roman Empire hated the Romans who had two sets of laws, applied differently for the Romans and the Germanic barbarians. When Rome “declined”, the Germanic warriors rebelled against the Roman Empire and sacked Rome.

  441. 为什么这篇文章中没有提到领导对中国的指控的参议员汤姆·科顿(Tom Cotton)?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  442. @Minnesota Mary

    因为那样他们就不得不问以色列在这一切中的角度是什么,这会干扰他们对中共的摇摆不定。

  443. @Smith

    Senkaku was only given to Japan by the US to be a thorn in China’s side.

    And no – many in South East Asia remember what Japan did. They are just poor or small or weak and can’t say anything like Korea or China or Russia (who adamantly refuses to give back islands it got from Japan at the end of WW2).

    • 回复: @Smith
  444. Smith 说:
    @showmethereal

    Senkaku was kept by the japs after WW2, and they are willing to keep it, the fact chinks constantly probe it is a sign of chink aggression, and nobody in Asia like it.

    And what south east asians exactly? Can you point me to some south east asians that are adamantly anti-japs? It’s funny because I’m south east asian myself, and if I trust the words of chink shills, basically everyone in SEA would love chinks and hate japs and vietnamese, which is the opposite of reality here in SEA.

    Then again, if chinks really believe the whole SEA hating viets for being “indochina imperialist”, they can believe anything.

    • 巨魔: d dan
    • 回复: @showmethereal
  445. @Smith

    You obviously have no clue about anything. Japan’s terms of surrender limited what territory she could keep. It’s not just Diayou/Senkaku… Okinawa (Ryuku) should have been given independence. There are other small islands close to Taiwan that were given to her by the US. The sole purpose for all of that was to be a thorn in the PRC’s side. The Treaty of Taipei stated that Japan had to give back the Spratly and Paracel islands to the Republic of China. As per the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations – Japan had NO SAY in anything. It was all the “allies” who got to decide. They figured the Naitonalists would hold on to the mainland against the CCP – which is why they allowed Japan to surrender those South China Sea islands. Those Declarations state clearly that “minor islands” would be given to Japan at the “as we determine” (we – being the allies). Had the KMT held mainland China – the Diayou/Senkaku islands would not have been given to Japan in the 1970’s. Okiwnawa would be an independent Ryuku – and those minor islands near Taiwan would never have been given to Japan either.

    Russia wasn’t weak – so Russia just flat out refuses to this day to give back the islands Japan still claims in the north. And frankly – based on terms of surrender – Japan isn’t really entitled either…. Just like they weren’t entitled to Diayou/Senkaku. You simply don’t mention those Russian possessions because your hatred is reserved for the Chinese. Up to last year Abe wanted to negotiate and Putin said: “NO”

    As to the people of South East Asia. I already explained why they aren’t boisterous against Japan. Reading comprehension is important.

    • 同意: d dan
  446. Anon[381]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    India was at least as advanced.

    • 同意: Malla
  447. fish 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Oh Goflee…..I certainly don’t trust the American or European “mainstream” media any more than I trust Chinese media and I most especially don’t trust you!

  448. anon[151]• 免责声明 说:
    @GeeBee

    I’ve never had a comment approved by this bloke.
    Wouldn’t mind reading your comment though.

  449. ATBOTL 说:

    在辩论的另一端,有像乔治·索罗斯(George Soros),彼得·泰尔(Peter Thiel)以及被dis放和流放的亿万富翁罪犯郭文贵(Guen Wengui)这样的人物,他们在面对被动的自由主义颠覆运动的帮助下,将中国的伪民族社会主义体系视为脆弱的体系。前苏联。

    The real reason why China is anti-fragile is rapid economic growth and rising incomes and living standards. For the same reason, Russia is more fragile than it looks. Putin’s neoliberal kleptocracy, heavy with non-Russian oligarchs, is inferior to China’s homogenous Han national socialist model.

  450. This old fart has a serious case of yellow fever , unproffesional fool , you know what I am talking about old man, did you think asians are too dumb to understand what you wrote, your a typical pathetic white boi.

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