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武装部队的相互关系: 美国商品 634.8年与中国的服务贸易总额估计为2019亿美元。出口为163.0亿美元; 进口额为 471.8 亿美元。 308.8 年美国与中国的商品和服务贸易逆差为 2019 亿美元。76.7 年与中国的服务贸易(进出口)总额估计为 2019 亿美元。服务出口为 56.5 亿美元; 服务进口为 20.1 亿美元。 36.4年美国对华服务贸易顺差2019亿美元。

华盛顿内部一直在谈论可能与中国发生战争。 史蒂夫·班农(Steve Bannon)显然很喜欢这种战争。 我们听到有关中国人的糟糕举动的平常的嘘声,我们必须束缚腰部和美国价值观,并向他们展示哇哇哇哇。 危险在于,当前在亚洲海域谁先眨眼的游戏实际上可能会引发一场射击战争。 您知道这类事情:一艘军舰拒绝躲开另一艘军舰,随后发生了碰撞,一些签署豁免权的智障中尉开火,我们下船了。 让孩子玩火柴不是一个好主意。

所说的战争是由白痴用情感的方式来讨论的,或者是由熟悉这种情况的人以纯海军的方式来讨论的,所以我们听说了第一岛链和第二岛链以及它们的导弹与对方的导弹等等。 如果我们再次进行第二次世界大战,这将是适当的。 我们不是。 让我们快速地了解一下这场战争可能如何进行。

要开始战争,美国会高估自己,而低估中国。 这是五角大楼的学说。 可能有手册。 在DC泡泡内部,蕨类植物的拿破仑将向我们保证,这将是一场短暂的战争,步履维艰,仅需数日,而不是数周。 您知道吗,像越南,老挝,柬埔寨,阿富汗,伊拉克,叙利亚。 事实证明,中国人还有其他想法,其中没有投降的想法,又花了几个月的时间,各种令人着迷的事情都会发生。

五角大楼全资拥有的智囊团兰德(Rand)至少在精神上已经与台湾海峡和南海进行了战争,得出结论认为战争可能持续很长时间而且 对美国造成的损失。 我们不再生活在1960年。

好吧,战争:第一天,所有在中国的众多美国工厂都关闭了。 示例:苹果失去了工厂,这些工厂的产品以及1.4亿消费者的中国市场。 它的商店关门了。 蒂姆·库克的感激之情无止境。 美国汽车制造商在中国(或至少批量销售)出售汽车的googolplex,这些汽车大多是在中国制造的。 一夜之间,他们将失去工厂,汽车和中国客户。 全面的, 中国购买 比美国多得多的汽车。 如果可以将这种显而易见的分析称为显而易见的分析,则可以对一个行业接一个行业地重复进行这种分析。 再见,企业投票。

几周之内,沃尔玛的货架就空了。 沿着过道走,然后阅读“ Made in”标签。 我们不仅在谈论塑料桶和拖把,还在谈论链锯,药品,摩托车和血压袖带。 蓝领投票就这么多了。 美国购买 472十亿 每年来自中国的商品,高科技,低技术,消费品,制造组件。 不再。

中国每年购买超过 163 亿美元的美国商品:石油、半导体、航空发动机、大豆、客机等等。 不再。 很难低估这会给有影响力的董事会带来的喜悦。 当然,那些为中国生产这些东西的美国工人将被解雇。 作为选举政治,这将被证明是次优的。

中国生产了绝大多数对电子制造至关重要的稀土元素,例如半导体。 没有快速替代品出现在眼前。 在美国,几乎所有东西都使用这些,包括运行汽车电气系统的计算机。 尽管我没有检查过,但计算机本身很可能是在中国制造的。 如果您想对“敌对”一词有新的和更深的理解,请在第二天的无芯片日检查有影响力的企业首席执行官。

在一次真正的战争中,考虑到上述情况,中国很有可能(智能)摧毁台湾的半导体工厂,尤其是台积电的半导体工厂,以及其他电子工厂。 由于台湾海峡只有一百英里左右,因此这几乎不会困难。 由于美国的高端芯片来自台湾,因此失去这些产业对美国而言将是极其痛苦的。 美国要花费数年时间才能在国内取代这一能力。 一些必要的设备,例如极紫外光刻机,不是美国制造的,无论如何也不能像啤酒罐那样被冲掉。

在美国,很快就会发现,中国对中国的依赖程度比某些人想象的要大。 如果我举一个例子:汽车行业发现其火花塞来自中国。 尽管美国当然可以制造火花塞,但事实证明,十年前,该行业发现中国可以将其制造成本降低XNUMX%。 在特朗普之前的合作商业世界中,这没有问题。 现在不要。 汽车销售就这么多。 并为制造它们的工人提供工作。

我敢打赌,我在南非的所有钻石矿和在阿根廷的牲畜产地,如果您查看了例如波音客机的零件清单,您会发现很多是中国制造的。 当然,美国最终可以制造其中的大多数。 但是公司现在需要零件,而不是最终需要。

如果与中国进行大规模的战争,对其他国家的影响将是灾难性的,甚至不会更糟。 其他国家也从中国或台湾获得许多东西,例如半导体。 Google在“国家x最大的贸易伙伴”上。 一个强大的模式很快就变得清晰起来:中国在与几乎每个人的交易中都非常庞大。 “所有人”包括整个德国,日本,澳大利亚,俄罗斯和南美。 世界经济整体将崩溃。

这有多聪明? 美国已经陷入严重困境,其货币正在迅速贬值,中产阶级下沉,科维德(Covid)公司濒临破产,国外工作正在消失,人们以薪水为生,社会不幸福导致了整个欧洲的骚乱。 您是否认为公众会乐意支持一场导致立即,深刻和致命的经济萧条的愚蠢愚蠢的战争? 如果是这样,您可能已经有了桥的集合。

在白宫内或在白宫中绕来绕去的六只笨猪,不受毫无价值的国会的阻碍,可能在整个地球上造成这种情况。 六个懒人。 是的,我知道,即使作为宣传st头,特朗普也不太可能刻意发动第三次世界大战。 不,五角大楼的将军们还不够愚蠢。 (他们甚至可能拒绝,指出发动战争需要国会宣告。)问题在于,多年来,即使不是真正地在寻找一场战斗,美国也一直在敢于其他国家发起一场战争。 例如,谋杀伊朗官员,退出军备控制条约,使北约离俄罗斯越来越近,对各国的制裁远远超过所谓的贸易战,以及在南中国海与中国打鸡。 在这种情况下,您无需寻找就可以打架。

弗雷德(Fred)发表于 [电子邮件保护]。 将字母pdq放在主题行中的任何位置,以避免无情的自动删除。

它们可以防止Covid,治愈脱发,并使您对异性更具吸引力。 您甚至可以阅读它们。

 
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  1. If each American over the age of 16 were given a seat on the board of a profitable Chinese company and paid $3M in gold, then I think any consideration of war would cease.

    But only certain Americans are afforded this luxury e.g. one crack addict by the name of Biden. That’s not fair.

    • 回复: @ANONymous
    , @anonymous
    , @Moi
    , @Joe Wong
  2. GeeBee 说:

    You forgot to mention that China would be more than capable of swatting aside each and all elements of America’s so-called ‘world-beating military’. USA carrier group? China’s hypersonic missile systems would sink the lot before they had a chance even to engage. The USA infantry? Battalions of girly boys and boyish girls taking on real soldiers? Let’s get the popcorn in. And so on.

  3. last straw 说:

    Taiwan is the only possible cause of a war with China. But it will all be over in 3 days. So even that is not something to be worried about.

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3988080

    • 不同意: GazaPlanet
    • 回复: @unit472
    , @anon
  4. nsa 说:

    There is zero chance of a shooting war with China, a nuke armed outfit with the means to deliver total obliteration to any city on earth. The cock cutter cult would (and has) gladly sacrifice many millions of your lives to further their ambitions, but none of their own. Contemplate the incineration of jew meccas like Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Jerusalem, all of IzzieVille ……and you will understand why war with China is unthinkable except as a wet dream.

    • 谢谢: Nancy, FLgeezer
  5. unit472 说:

    You’d be spot on if you were. yourself, refighting WW2. The idea that you ‘win’ by destroying the enemies industrial capacity to wage war is probably obsolete. The reaiity is, in this day of precision guided munitions, combatants will never be stronger than they are on the first day of the war. There simply will not be time to mobilize and train millions of new troops, build new fleets or air armadas.

    What you have is what you’ve got and you will rapidly use up what you have. Hitting a US carrier with a missile and knocking it out of action is a Pyrrhic victory if that carrier has already launched its. air wing. 80 fighter bombers can take out any of your Navy ships inside their combat radius or make a mess of a Chinese attempt to land an invasion army on the beaches of Taiwan.

    It took the British years to mount an attack on the Ruhr dams. It would only take a couple of hours for US forces to hit the Three Gorges dam.

    The Pacific Ocean hasn’t gotten any smaller since WW2 so the US homeland remains 8,000 miles from China but Chinese targets are only a thousand miles or less from Guam, Japan and Taiwan. I’m not saying the US would win a war with China though the geography and American firepower favor that at the present time but the idea that China could win by economic strangulation is as obselete as the idea as we could ( or would) attempt to mount a ground invasion of China. Don’t need to do that anymore.

  6. After Vietnam one would think that our leaders would be very wary of picking a fight with people who are smarter than we are. Pardon me please if that sounds like connecting race and intelligence. Perhaps it is simply a matter of smarter political leaders. We could flee Vietnam on helicopters when it was clear we had lost and the Vietnamese could do nothing to us. As you have so clearly pointed out Fred, the damage the Chinese could inflict on us without firing a shot would bring the US economy to a near halt. Perhaps the next time some dolt suggests we need to deal firmly with China we could arrange for an IQ competition: Dolt vs. random ethnic Asian student from Thomas Jefferson High.

  7. Tell me more about that bowed up 3 Gorges Dam, its importance in power generation and what lies downstream.

    • 回复: @Yee
    , @ConqueringFools
  8. unit472 说:
    @last straw

    It took the United States months to build up the combat power to launch Desert Storm and we had the most mobile forces on earth. D-Day took years to amass the combat power to cross the English Channel and build the Mulberry artificial ports to supply the forces once ashore. The Taiwan straits are over 100 miles wide. China could launch missiles and airstrikes but explosions don’t take territory or prevent armed resistance. We shelled and bombed the micro island of Iwo Jima for a month but the Japanese were still there when our troops landed.

    There are very real engineering and logistical challenges for amphibious invasion. Hitler had the combat power to invade England but he couldn’t win air superiority so had to scrap Sea Lion. Our amphibious campaign in the Pacific was successful only after we attained naval and air supremacy over the island objectives.

  9. There really isn’t anything we can do if China decides to invade Taiwan.We couldn’t even do anything when Russians invaded Ukraine and Russian military, personnel and economic power is far below China plus China is so embed with us now that war with China is like a long term junkie trying to give up heroine overnight!

  10. Franz 说:

    整个世界经济将崩溃。

    我们只能希望。

    在美国各地,人们生活在苦难中,而通往自由生活的道路就在他们身边。 所谓的全球经济允许行业“宇宙的主人”将我们生活的重要组成部分运送到海外。 但我们可以自己完成大部分工作,无论我们在哪里。

    全球经济实际上有一个开始日期:1975 年,米尔顿·弗里德曼 (Milton Friedman) 的出版物 天下没有免费的午餐 .

    右图:这句话来自米尔顿,他一生都吃过免费的午餐。 这本书的目标读者是那些害怕失去一生免费午餐的股东。

    这本书是在 70 年代的石油颠簸之间出版的,就在卡车司机罢工威胁要包围华盛顿特区之后,当时招聘冻结和减薪开始,以及(最好的)电影网络拍摄期间。 霍华德·比尔 (Howard Beale) 以“我们知道事情很糟糕……我们知道抑郁症……”等开始他“疯狂到地狱”的电影开始。 这是巴克利保守派在米尔顿的启发下,开始了美国金融业的亚当斯密领带时期。

    确切地说,弗里德曼说的是:“让社区、工人甚至国家见鬼去吧。 只有资本才是最重要的,阻碍其流动才是邪恶的。” 一个急需产业政策的国家被告知即使这样想也是错误的。

    美国没有对我们的工业进行现代化改造并将它们分散到全国各地以减少工作的不可预测性,而是将供应链扩展到世界的另一端,或者墨西哥,或者任何地方,甚至 70 年代中期工资水平下降的地方。

    如果我们那样做,亚洲就没有出口市场了。 所以问问为什么我们做了与一个理智的国家会做的相反的事情。

    弗雷德是对的,只是因为我们的国家被叛徒统治太久了。

    • 同意: annamaria, Sam J., New Dealer
    • 谢谢: Stonehands, Fred777, Nancy
  11. “Never get involved in a land war in Asia.” It was either delivered by Douglas MacArthur to John F. Kennedy, or by Vizzini to the Dread Pirate Roberts in 公主新娘. Either way, it was and remains good advice.

    The United States would have been better off if it had simply ignored Asia geoolitically and just traded with its countries, imposing tariffs when necessary to defend its industries.. There is no reason for it to be a “Pacific power,” apart from being able to defend the west coast of the U.S. and Alaska, neither of which appear in any eminent danger. The Pacific is awfully big and the western hemisphere is enough even for a dominant North American nation.

    • 同意: Old Prude
    • 回复: @annamaria
  12. Max Payne 说:

    A global reset requires a limited (perhaps even mini-nuclear) military engagement between some or all the top dogs of the world.

    Still too early but within the next 4-15 years. Now that the lexicon & syntax required to shape the narrative has been injected into the public. Seeds for a younger generation to accept as the norm.

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Squarebeard
  13. US-China relations is like US-Whatever relations everywhere.

    US encircles Russia but accuses it of aggression. US interferes in Latin America, but calls Venezuela a rogue state. US bombs the Middle East but accuses Iran of war-mongering. US has bases all around China but China is the bad guy. It’s all so laughable.

    Jews control the Narrative, and they figure it’s better for Americans who scream about China than about Jewish Power that is the real hand behind White Demise.

    As for whites, they are such craven cuck cowards of Jews that they find it therapeutic to bitch about China as it’s a big nation, rising power, and full of yellows who hold no special status in the American Imagination.

  14. Joe Stalin 说:

    But can PRC folks swim?

    And the world isn’t exactly welcoming PRC fishing.

    [更多]

    PRC safe?

    PRC RACISTS?

    PRC vs. Taiwan?

    • 巨魔: Showmethereal
    • 回复: @Rev. Spooner
  15. unit472 说:
    @Doc Strange Love

    Might want to think about what Russia ‘won’. Ukraine was an integral state of the USSR. The American equivalent of California and Texas combined. Putin did take Crimea back and cause Ukraine to lose sovereignty over the Don Bass but at what cost. For that he now how has an enemy state on his borders of 40 million people! Its not as if the Ukrainian navy was going to sally forth out of Crimea and challenge Russian control of the Black Sea but for that base Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US and not even China recognizes the ‘conquest.

  16. I´m afraid China would respond nukulerly to an attack on the Three Gorges Dam.

    – It is never good when all the rivulets of war coalesce in 一种 point but I see no
    Port Arthur 2.0 .
    Half the Taiwanese lean towards China, another third doesn´t give a shit either way –
    so whatever they call it is the run-of-the-mill comprador rule 未来。
    Were I to venture a guess I´d say color revolution.
    (The First Island Chain would not be seriously compromised – apart from the US having no business there in the first place)

    • 同意: Showmethereal
    • 回复: @willem1
    , @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  17. The US is set to become majority non-white by around 2040. Anyone who thinks the US can sustain its military empire beyond that is nuts. We’re already seeing a glimpse of America’s future: there will be no happy diversity and coming together of the races. The white man WILL be a bitterly hated and subjugated absolute minority population in America. China has already won. Nearly the entirety of Western civilization is committing suicide right now in real-time. Once the corpse stops twitching, probably around 2050, China will simply inherit global leadership. There is no one else to do it.

    Highly skilled and intelligent young white Westerners, what few there are left, would be wise to seek futures in Asia.

    • 同意: Lake Wobegon, annamaria
    • 不同意: Onan the Barbarian
    • 谢谢: Rurik, mark green
    • 回复: @Hapalong Cassidy
    , @Bernie
    , @Bork
  18. Notsofast 说:

    Please remember we have just increased our national debt by $10,000,000,000,000 over a bad flu season. Flipping the chessboard is the only way out for these neo-con rats without having admit defeat. Kinda like hitler saying the german people deserve what they get if they cant stop the russians with teenagers and senior citizens defending berlin.

    • 同意: nokangaroos
  19. Rich 说:

    The economic stranglehold China has on the US is the very reason Trump’s people acted against China. Can the CCP, notorious for stealing intellectual property, be trusted as they grow even stronger? Intelligent folks within the US, are able to foresee the dangers of a dominant China.

    There is no circumstance under which the US would launch a ground invasion of China. At the most there would be a naval battle, still highly unlikely, and as it stands now, the US would probably prevail. Anything more, it would go to nukes, the US wiping out China, the Chinese destroying the West Coast while the survivors would envy the dead.

  20. martin_2 说:
    @unit472

    I was under the impression that historians no longer thought that the Germans had the ability to invade Britain. He had no landing craft and was going to improvise with French barges. The whole of the British Navy would have been brought to bear.

    • 回复: @unit472
  21. Rich 说:
    @Anita Patel

    What do you mean “we”, Patel? The US actually defeated the NVA in every major battle, destroyed the VC forcing the Reds to come crawling to the negotiating table begging for peace. The North defeated the South 2 years after the US withdrew following the coup that removed Nixon. The new, leftist Congress, actually supported the communist side in the Vietnam War and refused to send the promised support to the South.

    As to defeating countries with reportedly higher IQs, do you think the Japs and the Krauts were low IQ countries?

  22. I’m reminded of a scene from The Three Stooges, when Moe says, “We will fight till the last drop of…” and points to Curly and ends with, “…YOUR BLOOD!” Guys like Bannon love war, when someone else is fighting it for them, while they take it easy, having a nice meal and a few drinks, from the comfort of their own homes or at a fundraiser. If they want a war with the Chinese, let them and every paper-pusher at the Pentagon, every Congressman or woman and every lobbyist in Washington District of Collectivism, armor up and be there right at the frontline, and charge forward and lead the way. Let them get a nice taste of the hell they’ll create and want to unleash on the rest of us.

    • 同意: Escher, Nancy
  23. unit472 说:
    @martin_2

    Those are the ‘engineering and logistical challenges” I mentioned. Without naval and air supremacy over the landing zone you cannot put your army ashore. That is China’s problem with Taiwan. Taiwan can get there with the “firstest and the mostest’ on any invasion beach.

    • 回复: @Carlton Meyer
    , @Sam J.
  24. Notsofast 说:
    @unit472

    D day took years to amass the combat power to cross the english channel… really? It wasn’t that they dragged their feet to allow the russians to do the heavy lifting until they were about to overrun berlin and then the race was on?

  25. Daddio7 说:

    How long could we get along without China? Any term shorter then forever is too short. No large nation should have its existence dependent on another. We could live without China, question is, can China live without us (US)? Can their people get enough to eat without food imports, ours and other nations? We do not need to occupy their land, just block their food imports.

  26. Yee 说:
    @American Dissident

    It’s silly to imagine bowing up the 3 Gorges Dam would cause any serious damage…

    When there’s risk of war coming, you can level the water on both sides of the dam, so even if you manage to bomb it, there wouldn’t be a flood. The worst is losing 5% of electricity.

  27. @Franz

    而且,叛徒不仅外包了我们的制造基地。 他们还向失业的工厂工人承诺,他们将接受新的高科技工作的再培训,这些工作将很快取代因外包而失去的工作。

    一直以来,通过向无证劳工开放边境并以签证进口高科技工人的方式,在背后刺伤那些流离失所的工人。 现在被解雇的工厂工人和 STEM 毕业生不得不与来自海外和边境以南的低工资工人竞争。

    • 同意: TG, Franz, Hillbob, Zarathustra, Nancy
  28. Yee 说:
    @unit472

    “80 fighter bombers can take out any of your Navy ships inside their combat radius or make a mess of a Chinese attempt to land an invasion army on the beaches of Taiwan.”

    You realize Taiwan is only 140-400km from the mainland, do you? China won’t be fighting a navy war with the US, but an air and missile war. You need ships, we don’t. We have landbased airports and missile launchs.

    80 bombers can’t take out enough land bases in China, I doubt even 800 can manage the job…

  29. Notsofast 说:
    @unit472

    don’t forget crimea is russias only warm water port and of major strategic importance. don’t think that wasn’t obamas neo-con objective when launching the euromaidan revolution. crimea was promised a vote on independence in the early 90’s but never given one. it had been russian until 1954 when khrushchev in a generous mood gave it to ukraine as a “gift”. the overwhelming majority of crimeans want to be part of the russian federation and are 70% russian in heritage and language. as to the rest of ukraine the western part is a hot mess, financial blackhole, tarbaby that europe really wants nothing to do with, the only part of value is the east and we’ll see where that ends up.

  30. 这就是当我们投票选出一位甚至没有参加 SAT 考试并且在他与中国人在房地产业务中所做的每笔交易中都像狗一样悲惨地失败的总统时会发生的情况。

    为什么中国人在智商表上比美国人有15分的智商优势? 因为我们选举像特朗普这样的大输家蠢货做我们的领导人。

    这个混蛋特朗普是商业上的失败,生活上的失败,也是总统的失败。

    He is downgrading out of his Jackass Tower in NY because Deutsche Bank is gonna take it back soon. He owes them $500M personally and his family company owes $1B+ on assets of barely $2B. his loans are coming due and Deutsche told him to go get someone else to cover his loans or else they would take back his properties, disinfect them of the Trump stench, pull down the low-class Trump names on them and sell them away to Chinese and Arab investors cheap.

    All his properties are actually owned by banks who loan him money on loans with no capital payment so he can live large on their income, as long as he defrauds on taxes($750, remember?)

    更别说他如何以愚蠢的愚蠢处理疫情,还与中国发动贸易战,摧毁了美国农业,将美国制造业推入衰退。 蠢货特朗普真的杀死了 300,000 名美国人,并以其愚蠢的行为摧毁了美国经济。

    • 不同意: Rdm
    • 巨魔: GazaPlanet
  31. Steve Bannon, who apparently was dropped on his head as a child, actually favors such a war.

    Source? Because I’ve seen a lot of Bannon interviews and 不止一次 has he said this.

    He’s said China needs to be confronted on trade and intellectual property theft, but for people like Reed who were dropped on heads, that’s war talk. Reed logic is: Best to accept your futures toiling in China’s underground sugar caves and not question anything China does. If you do, we all die in a mushroom cloud.

    Oh, and Bannon doesn’t hold political office and is basically just a guy with a podcast, which means Reed’s entire hook for this column is someone who wouldn’t have the authority to order anything except a pizza delivery.

    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  32. Rich 说:
    @GreatSocialist

    He “literally” killed 300,000 Americans? Really? Then he’s a very successful serial killer at least, right?

    • 哈哈: Fred777, Redneck farmer
    • 回复: @Wyatt
  33. @Notsofast

    It did take years. In the mean time there were a few adventures like Torch and Sicily which could use much lower levels of resources while the build up continued for the Normandy Landings. As it was, there was a shortage of landing craft in the ETO, even after the years long buildup.

    The Russian situation was completely different. The Soviets were a continental power and did not need to build a Navy to get to Germany. It simplified their problem quite a bit.

  34. @Notsofast

    You’re not exactly well informed on the issue. You know nothing of Ukraine and are unaware that Russiqa could accomplish the same thing from Novorossiysk and had started building a naval base there, until Putin got it into his mind he could take and keep Crimea easier. Alas, for the fascist in the Kremlin, Crimea is more trouble than it’s worth and is costing far more than he ever thought it would. It’s a common weakness in the Caudillos, things are never as cheap as they dream them to be.

    By the by, Crimea is still Ukraine. The “referendum” was held under the guns of an occupying power. Few recognize the theft and the sanctions that the theft brought about is bankrupting Russia. The Russian people are getting tired of the KGB thug and real regime he represents. All Crimea and the Donbas have brought them is greater poverty and disease.

    • 哈哈: Realist, Alfred
  35. last straw 说:
    @unit472

    The problem for the U.S. is how many of its pilots are willing to participate in a Kamikaze raid? Also, since the fight is in China’s home turf, it’s the U.S., not China, that faces logistic nightmares.

    I don’t understand why so many people got hung up on the Three Gorges Dam. It has no military value. Even if you can destroy it, which is a big if considering China’s air defense and electronic warfare capabilities, and even if China did not release the water in a controlled fashion or evacuate the downstream basin in an orderly way, what can you really achieve? Causing mass civilian casualties and making you an international pariah.

  36. TG 说:

    但美国已经输了。 我们的精英们已经决定,他们宁愿统治一个贫困的工人阶级,也不愿领导一流的工业强国。

    当我们的精英将我们的工业实力运送到中国时,他们知道结果会如何。 他们只是不在乎,因为他们现在获得了丰厚的利润。

    他们给像保罗克鲁格曼这样的蠢货颁发了虚假的诺贝尔经济学奖(查看维基百科:没有这样的东西),他们大喊大叫任何反对“自由”贸易的人都是“愚蠢的”。 而且,被证明完全错误的,假的诺贝尔奖获得者克鲁格曼说了什么? 很明显,他的所有批评者都是种族主义者。

    我注意到亨利·基辛格在担任国务卿后成为共产主义中国的事实上的代理人并接受了数百万美元的资金(“基辛格及其同事”)我们所有的产业和技术都流向了中国。 在美国不那么开明的时代,这将被宣布为叛国罪。 在现代中国,任何为外国势力辩护的类似高级官员都会被枪杀。

    像基辛格这样的叛徒卑鄙小人不仅没有被关进监狱,而且受到尊重,这一事实无疑证明了我们社会的终结。

    • 谢谢: New Dealer
  37. TG 说:
    @Daddio7

    I think it was Alexander Hamilton who said, who could console themselves with the loss of an arm, with the prospect of buying their shirts for 40% cheaper?

    All four presidents on Mr Rushmore were unabashed protectionists. From the founding to around 1970 (ish), the United States was firmly protectionist and under protectionism went from a backwards agricultural colony to the greatest industrial power the world had ever seen.

    Now we have abandoned the American system, and are busy shipping our industrial might to communist China. Hey, how’s that working out?

    • 回复: @Nancy
  38. obwandiyag 说:
    @Franz

    Don’t you understand? Exporting all our jobs and factories elsewhere is capitalism.

    Capitalism is an unalloyed good. Haven’t you heard?

    If you try to do something about the export–you are a dirty, Stalin’s-ass-kissing socialist.

    所以忘记了。

    • 同意: foolisholdman
    • 哈哈: Franz
  39. Rahan 说:

    But companies need parts now, not eventually.

    Not during the COVID lockdown they don’t.
    So perhaps this Great Reset… is also an opportunity to try and take out China without the catastrophic losses this would have incurred in normal times.
    After all, the economy is already shut down, people are already living under pretty totalitarian martial law equivalents.
    Not unlikely many groups see right now as the perfect time to pull off something grand and cruel and stupid, since normal life is already in the rear view mirror and the contrast will not be so grandly felt by the neo-serfs and the declining petty merchant class.

  40. Wyatt 说:
    @Rich

    You can generally tell the retards by how they attach these uninspired names to people and then recite them like shitty beat poetry over and over until you’re certain that the speaker is a dumbass who thinks he’s clever.

    Unz is normally pretty good for having people with decent takes, but it gets the occasional moron who proves why gassing some people is a good idea.

  41. Rahan 说:

    Let’s just add that the way the US and UK used Russia against Germany, only helping in ways that minimized they casualties, it’s more than likely they’ll try to use up India against China in a very similar way.

    After all even if China and India exchange some nukes and lose through various ways half a billion people each, what’s that to the Anglozionists? Just business…

    • 回复: @Charlie
    , @Deelerious
    , @Malla
  42. @Rich

    The new, leftist Congress, actually supported the communist side in the Vietnam War and refused to sent the promised support to the South.

    Oh, nutty one, Rich, richly foolish one, can you tell the difference between Left and Right? Are you capable of getting out of the mental box you were put in as a little child?

    But, okay, please educate me. Who, which Americans, were behind the assassination of the President of the South? Were they Left, or Right?

    You sling labels around, but evidence, please. Name the Congress critters who supported the Communists. And what did Communism have to do with American naked aggression against a distant country, just another? Communist bad, America good, right?

    • 回复: @Rich
    , @Sam J.
  43. @GeeBee

    Years ago I read that the US had informed the Soviet Union that if they managed to sink a US carrier, it would be treated as having launched a nuclear first-strike and will trigger a nuclear response. I don’t see that threat working in a China scenario.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Olivier1973
  44. anonymous[400]• 免责声明 说:

    All this hot air about war with China makes no sense whatever. What would this war with China be intended to achieve? To force them to stop supplying Walmart? To make them buy more of our soybeans? If we get sucked into conflict over Taiwan due to some idiotic miscalculation then how many Americans are really willing to pay the price of a major war to defend them? American corporate leaders are making a killing doing business with China as mere middlemen, importing Chinese made and American designed products. They ditched the American worker as fast as they could so if there’s any trouble let them do the fighting. Not that they would, of course. China is an economic rival that is hard to compete against. They’ve been very purposeful in building themselves up while the US has scattered itself with its idiotic culture wars, becoming more “diverse” and divided by the day. Compare the two leaders, Xi vs bumbling, stumbling incoming Biden. No comparison.

    • 同意: antitermite
    • 回复: @Miro23
  45. mijj 说:

    所需要的只是美国政权的宣传破布,例如《纽约时报》,打印出与中国发生战争并且我们赢了。 每个人都将被要求相信它。 问题解决了。 真相就是这样发生的。

    • 同意: Julian of Norwich
    • 谢谢: Biff
    • 哈哈: Maowasayali, Zarathustra
  46. Fred is a coward! Of course,we will whip China’s ass! Those rice wine guzzlers dont stand a chance against us! USA! USA! USA! Lets get this party started!

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  47. Anonymous[168]• 免责声明 说:
    @last straw

    And also the Chinese would *绝不* forgive it or forget it.

    You’re not dealing with a nonsense people like Iraqis here.

    You’re dealing with 1.3 billion highly industrious, highly motivated, proud, patriotic, stern, disciplined, devilishly determined and hard working, ancestor worshipping people who see each other as kin – and, oh, they are iron disciplined, willing to take any hardship, frighteningly intelligent – and never but never let an insult go past.

    In short, if you do such a thing, you are fucked.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @last straw
    , @Poco
    , @Nancy
  48. Anonymous[168]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    Westerners, in general, have only had the briefest of glimpses of the ‘nasty’ face of the Chinese. In their typically clever and cunning way, the Chinese are very very careful to never to actually display their emotions and anger toward their adversaries – everything is formalised, subliminated and hidden. Thus the deception arises that the Chinese are ‘not really’ a ferocious and angry people when provoked. The polar opposite of the common perception which whites have of blacks, in fact.

    But believe me, if the US authorities are dumb enough to fuck around with China by destroying major Chinese infrastructure, like the US did with Iraq, you will see another side to their character, a side which would make Genghis Khan look like Mary Poppins.

    • 同意: GazaPlanet
  49. On day one, all the multitudinous American factories in China shut down.

    +1

    Walmart’s shelves go bare.

    +2

    Factories back in America and Walmart shut down? Can you throw in a nuke for Seattle/CHAZ while we’re at it?

  50. @GreatSocialist

    为什么中国人有15分的智商优势

    因为一个共产主义警察国家为了看起来更好而对其重要的统计数据撒谎。

  51. @obwandiyag

    Troll-fail. That’s actually a very astute comment.

    • 同意: Nancy
  52. @KlossTummybag

    I would actually advise American STEM graduates to pick up Spanish as a minor and consider moving to Latin America. Although still Third World, for the most part they have nowhere to go but up. Yeah, a lot of Mestizos to deal with, but unlike those in the US they haven’t been indoctrinated to hate White people (a lot of them actually think of themselves as White). Besides, you’ve got a much lower cost of living for what you’d be able to make, and women who aren’t ruined by feminism.

    • 同意: Rurik, Old and Grumpy
    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Montefrío
  53. Malla 说:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    One could go to Argentina, Chile or Uruguay. A lot more whiter. Last I heard, Chile’s economy was booming.

  54. Rich 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Who was the assassinated “President of the South”?

    The entire leadership of the Democrat party,as well as most members of the party, supported communist victory in Vietnam by refusing to vote the necessary funds to provide the arms and air support the US had promised. There are too many yo list, just check off every member of Congress with a D next to his name with only a handful of exceptions.

    The reason for fighting in SE Asia was to stop the murderous communists from being able to kill and torture more people. The communist religion is probably responsible for more murder, destruction and suffering than any other ideology in human history.

  55. neutral 说:
    @GreatSocialist

    为什么中国人在智商表上比美国人有15分的智商优势?

    Because it is not populated with black and brown people like the USA has. It also doesn’t worship the worst races as god like beings, which is a gigantic economic and societal drain that cannot be overcome.

    • 同意: KlossTummybag
  56. si1ver1ock 说:

    Probably, communications systems will be one of the first targets. When satellites and internet cables go down the fog of war expands greatly.

    Also, both sides get a chance to try out their spiffy new EMP weapons and whatever else they have been brewing up in their secret labs.

    I’m not too sure about the odds for and against a war. There has been some speculation about a depopulation agenda even here at the Unz Review.

  57. According the Trump’s deranged former National Security adviser, trading with China supports its worldwide aggression. This view is common among former Generals who fear another superpower.

  58. @last straw

    Note that China can destroy large American dams too.

  59. anon[420]• 免责声明 说:

    Missing Questions

    Assuming such a war stays conventional, where would American draft young people? Much is made about technology reducing troops to a handful of highly trained volunteers to which I call BS. A war with three fronts on the Chinese mainland is going to need millions of able-bodied young men. Where are we going to find Gen Z swollen with patriotism who are currently burning down US cities and despise Trump?

    Oh, will get the usual rural working class or working poor whites who want to get out of a small Indiana town or whatever and nobody will care if they die by the thousands. But they won’t be sufficient.

    What happens when other countries get drawn in? Indian will probably get stupid and launch a war against China itself.

    Ethnic Chinese in Philippines, while mostly gutless merchants, won’t be terribly cooperative with US bases and troops. Some of them might actually launch a guerrilla war against American forces based in the Philippines-they did this before in Malaysia against the British. And the Chinese in Malaysia might do it again.

    Iran will also seize an opportunity.

    Forgive my confusion, but isn’t the US still in Afghanistan. Slowly winding down with what looks like the Taliban more or less in the same negotiating position as 2001. Somebody here tell me I am wrong.

    And while the US might not have defeated Vietnam, the Chinese did in that 1979 border war.

    And if the Chinese did invade the US, who would stop the Mexicans from assisting. Mexican and Chinese cartel heads have been killing Americans with Opoids for years now.

  60. @unit472

    Those are the ‘engineering and logistical challenges” I mentioned. Without naval and air supremacy over the landing zone you cannot put your army ashore. That is China’s problem with Taiwan. Taiwan can get there with the “firstest and the mostest’ on any invasion beach

    .

    You are correct. An invasion force to seize Taiwan would require months to assemble, and may not succeed even if the USA does nothing.

  61. ONE THING FORGOTTEN: Every election will be 95% DemSoc re Cicero, IL. It makes no difference what a treasonous populace wants. DemSoc IS America, Amerizula, Cubarica.

    Money? They print the stuff. Money is free to the correct people. 1/3 the others are subsided to spy on the other 2/3. Fondly call it the STASI. Criminal imprisonment is ended, liberating the streets. Prison building is a growth industry. DemSoc creates spaces for politicals’ reset. Good wags for workers, too; no discrimination there – Trisomy 21 preferred.

    And…and…the weekly mandatory national lottery. A New Wealth family every week!

    If you meet a DemSoc on the road, Buddha it.

  62. Stick 说:

    Methinks Fred overlooks something – the ChiCom Navy can be sunk in 48 hours after hostilities begin. All those factories in China, regardless of ownership, are cut off from any market and raw materials. Their only backdoor is through the Caspian which is controlled by Russia. Its nice to have manufacturing its better to have a market to sell to. What percentage of China’s export are exported via the Pacific? Answer that question and you have the answer on who wins. Remember, its not only the US Navy, its Japan, ROC and S. Korea navies as well. Japan has a very large and professional navy.

    • 同意: JohnPlywood
    • 回复: @Showmethereal
    , @The Alarmist
  63. J 说:

    What a faggot-ass defeatist nonsense in this Unz latrine hole! In the last serious war, Japan had China vanquished in three weeks. Viet Nam repulsed China in the last frontier war. China is not and never was a martial nation. It is productive, wealthy, peaceful, commercial nation. It is making the whole world rich. It makes no sense to destroy it. Trump’s approach was optimal. Chain in Gen. ‘Buck’ Turgidson and Gen Ripper!

    • 同意: JohnPlywood
  64. SteveK9 说:

    Trump was trying to disengage our economy from China. That … as Fred rightly points out, does not happen overnight, but it doesn’t happen at all if you don’t start. Our dependence on China, as so eloquently detailed by Fred, is dangerous. Trump was trying to begin the process to end that. Yes, we can make all this stuff ourselves, and it doesn’t need to be costly either … automation. But, Fred hates Trump, I think, so no credit for trying to end dependence on China. The counter-argument is that it doesn’t matter, if we depend on China, but that sounds risky to me.

    • 回复: @J
    , @showmethereal
  65. Just for the heck of it …

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-global-power-top-us-new-measures-say-no

    … a few points that haven´t been addressed.
    It seems most of these become striking only in case of big war;
    China´s Achilles heel is still blockade (though it would stretch America´s worldwide welcome even further, and Europe would be the critical point; the psychology will fall to those with information dominance)

  66. @unit472

    How large is the 5th column that China has within the United States and its European vassal states?

    • 回复: @theMann
  67. botazefa 说:
    @GreatSocialist

    为什么中国人在智商表上比美国人有15分的智商优势? 因为我们选举像特朗普这样的大输家蠢货做我们的领导人。

    They don’t have a 15 point IQ advantage. Trump’s election doesn’t impact IQ.

    你的开场白是胡说八道

    • 同意: Realist
    • 回复: @Realist
  68. @Rich

    The new, leftist Congress, actually supported the communist side in the Vietnam War and refused to send the promised support to the South.

    The US military had failed to establish a colony known as South Vietnam. By 1970, its army was larger and better equipped than the independence fighters from the North, but its draftees would not fight for Uncle Sam. The peace talks allowed an honorable American exit as President Nixon explained.

    It was Republican President Ford who refused to intervene to save South Vietnam a second time, which had continued to get massive aid each year. Ford proposed an additional billion dollars, but Congress was slashing spending to address hyperinflation and knew it would do no good, and extra aid wouldn’t have arrived before the liberation of Saigon anyway.

    “MACV The Joint Command in the Years of Withdrawal 1968-1973; Graham A. Cosmas; US Army Center for Military History: https://history.army.mil/html/books/0…

    “Vast Aid From U.S. Backs Saigon in Continuing War”; David Simpler; New York Times; Feb. 25, 1974; https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/25/ar…

    “Why Vietnam Was Unwinnable”; Kevin Boylan; New York Times; Aug. 22, 2017; https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/op…

    “The Myth That Congress Cut Off Funding for South Vietnam”; Ken Hughes; Fatal Politics; April 28, 2010; https://historynewsnetwork.org/articl…

    “Fatal Politics”; Historical videos by Ken Hughes proving needed aid was provided; http://www.fatalpolitics.com/videos/

    • 回复: @Rich
  69. Notsofast 说:
    @Quartermaster

    i think it is you who are not well informed on the issue. you never addressed the fact that 70% of the populous of crimea is russian and speaks russian. remember when your neo-con backed fascists took over ukraine they wanted to outlaw the russian language and were burning people alive in odessa (survivors who managed to escape were shot and clubbed to death). the crimeans were and are glad to be back in mother russia. now if any of you want to make another charge of the light brigade feel free to have your donkeys lead the lions into the jaws of death once again.

    • 同意: Biff
  70. J 说:
    @SteveK9

    We can have an arrangement like with Japan and South Korea. Let them sell their wares in the world markets. But they have been disarmed, except for self-defense. We are dependent for TVs on South Korea, and cars on Japan, and what? Let China understand the nature of our relationship, let them disarm and let us claim our base in Laifeng and others.

  71. The war hawks telling everyone who will listen that the west doesnt need China because India and Vietnam can replace China. Some people really believe it.
    Another lunacy of the hawks is they claim the analysis of Rand and others is faulty and tbat they are looking for more funding. Some really believe China’s military tech is in the 1980’s

  72. Miro23 说:
    @anonymous

    All this hot air about war with China makes no sense whatever. What would this war with China be intended to achieve?

    China is an economic rival that is hard to compete against. They’ve been very purposeful in building themselves up while the US has scattered itself with its idiotic culture wars, becoming more “diverse” and divided by the day.

    Maybe you’ve answered your own question. In Zio-Reich (NWO) power politics world this could be a “window of opportunity” to neutralize China (while they still can). If the MSM is a useful predictor of future events – which it seems to be – then it looks like trouble is coming for China.

    • 回复: @Herald
  73. @unit472

    You realize China has S400 batteries from Russia and their own indigenous air defense to target the 80 fighter bombers who took off crom that carrier.

    Oh and btw – not that it matters to war hawks – but targeting the Three Gorges Dam would be a war crime. You do realize Chinese ballistic missiles can hit the Continental US right? Thats aside from the fact they cant hit Guam.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Badger Down
  74. Anon[369]• 免责声明 说:
    @Marshal Marlow

    China would be in a world of hurt very quickly if it got into a shooting war with the U.S. And forget a nuclear confrontation, which would be a totally one-sided affair with the U.S. obliterating China fairly quickly. China only has in the low hundreds of nuclear warheads. For comparison the U.S. has ~6500 and Russia ~6800 and a lot of those warheads are highly sophisticated MIRVs.

    An all-out war with China would cause catastrophic damage to Taiwan, Hong Kong, and PRC with the U.S. relatively unscathed. An all-out war with Russia would mean the end of the U.S. and Europe as we know it.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-estimates-chinese-nuclear-stockpile-164401357.html

    Report estimates Chinese nuclear stockpile at 350 warheads


    Mon, December 14, 2020, 11:44 AM EST

    MELBOURNE, Australia — A paper published by the Chicago, Illinois-based Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists has estimated that China has 350 nuclear warheads, significantly more than that estimated by the U.S. Defense Department.

    The report, written by Hans Kristensen, the director at the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, and Matt Korda, a research associate at FAS, arrived at the number by counting both operational warheads and newer weapons “still in development.”

    These weapons include hypersonic missiles, silo-based and road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles, and their submarine-launched equivalents, bringing the total number of nuclear warheads to more that the “low 200s” estimated by the Pentagon in its 2020 report on China’s military.

    The think tank’s report also said an estimated 272 of the 350 warheads in the People’s Liberation Army are operational. That estimate includes 204 land-based missile warheads, 48 submarine-launched warheads and 20 aircraft-delivered gravity bombs.

    The latter mission had been dormant for a while, although it has recently been reconstituted with China said to be developing an air-launched ballistic missile with a possible nuclear capability. A Chinese Xi’an H-6 bomber was recently seen carrying what is believed to be a mock-up of a hypersonic boost-glide missile, although its development status is unclear.

    The estimate of 350 nuclear warheads does not include the suspected air-launched ballistic/hypersonic missile, nor does it include the multiple, independent warheads that will be fitted on the DF-5C ICBM, potentially further increasing the size of China’s nuclear stockpile even after accounting for the retirement of older systems…

    不是很令人印象深刻。

  75. DocDictum 说:

    The “American people,” you know that mass of corpulent entitlement oriented group of hypocrites will have a collective heart attack. Just the thought of disrupting the 6 o’clock news is unnerving. Backing for the war? Yeah, way, way back.

  76. Realist 说:
    @botazefa

    The Chinese have about a 5 point advantage over the US

    • 回复: @Poco
  77. Joe Stalin 说:

    When is PRC going to pay back their LOANS?

    • 谢谢: Agent76
  78. Anonymous[845]• 免责声明 说:
    @Showmethereal

    That didn’t stop the USA from destroying civilian Iraqi infrastructure etc in the first Gulf war.

    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  79. joe2.5 说:
    @Doc Strange Love

    We couldn’t even do anything when Russians invaded Ukraine

    They did? When was that?

    • 回复: @ANONymous
  80. @Bragadocious

    You have been watching too much Fu Manchu and Flash Gordon and Dr No. Learn Chinese history. They prefer you stay on your side and they on their side. Get the yellow peril folly out of your head. Chinese have no desire for foreign slaves. Even the old tributary system was the exact opposite.

    • 同意: Mary Marianne
    • 巨魔: Chris Mallory
  81. @Joe Stalin

    This money was lent to the ChiNat government that fled to Formosa (now Taiwan) in 1949 along with all of China’s gold. Ask them to repay it.

    • 谢谢: showmethereal
    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
  82. @J

    In the Korean War the Chinese Red Army did very well against the US and 15 other member states of the UN that were roped in which included UK, France, Canada, Australia, etc.

    When Japan beat China, China was a quasi-colony of foreign powers with many cities and industrial zones concessions under foreign rule.

    It’s a little different nowadays.

    In the war with Vietnam, China was the aggressor but in a defensive war surely they would try a little harder.

    • 回复: @MarkinLA
  83. @last straw

    Yeah the arm chair generals always make me shake my head. They would be better off watching James Bond movies. In The Man With the Golden Gun “Q” dreaded having to go anywhere near the coast of China. In Tomorrow Never Dies where the false flag incident took place in the South China Sea (interesting right?) – that was again the dread of “Q” – having the British Navy face “the largest air force in the world”
    Ian Fleming was British Naval Intelligence in real life. I think he knew a thing or two. But that doesnt even account for modern technology.. Besides that – China has the largest fleet of “heavy fighters” and “heavy bombers” – they are armed with long range munitions that are only matched by Russia. The arm chair generals think thwy would be attacking Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan.

    • 同意: GomezAdddams
    • 回复: @last straw
  84. @Anon

    Not very impressive

    Given that each nuclear warhead could kill a million Americans, you are difficult to impress.

    But super-hawk General Buck Turgidson would agree with you. We could easily win a nuclear war with China, only losing 10-20 million Americans tops!

    • 回复: @Anon
  85. @unit472

    It would only take a couple of hours for US forces to hit the Three Gorges dam.

    I suppose that the Chinese could set off tsunamis by underwater nukes off the US coast. Or maybe drop a nuke into the Yellowstone Park volcano. And a few simultaneously along the San Andreas fault line. Why are some of you so eager to cause catastrophes to others and yourselves? I hope the Pentagon has more sense than you and a few others posting here.

    • 同意: follyofwar, Hillbob, annamaria
  86. @Stick

    Please speak concisely as to how China’s navy could be sunk in 48 hours. The only way that would happen is if they all drink a magic potion and fall into a deep sleep for that long.
    Also South Korea would not join in. They are not as much of a lackey as you think. Why do you think people protested against THAAD and any future installations were cancelled?

    You are right about the ROC and Japan though… The PRC is aware and sent notice. So the US wants Australia and NATO to help too. So you think Crazy Kim and Putin would sit by and just watch or will they be thinking “they will try that with us next”? But how would NATO get a fleet large enough there anyway and expect there to he some surprise? Would the US bring additional fleets? Same question… China has the most ships and the most land and air based anti ship missiles in the world. Again they are preparing for such a scenario as you named – a naval battle on multiple fronts.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-china-defence-idUKKBN26J1KC

    • 同意: annamaria
    • 回复: @Stick
  87. @Anita Patel

    After Vietnam one would think that our leaders would be very wary of picking a fight with people who are smarter than we are….. As you have so clearly pointed out Fred

    “We?” as in you and your mahhvelous Patels of Gujarat?

    Lonesome Bitter Fred’s irrelevance to relevant people grows, as clearly pointed out.

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  88. Bill Jones 说:
    @unit472

    What, do you think, would “victory” in a US war on China look like?

    What changes to the existing situation would result and how would they be enforced?

    An honestly serious question.

    Any other commenters have a view on this?

    • 回复: @another fred
  89. last straw 说:
    @Anonymous

    Exactly, the only thing can be achieved by destroying the Three Gorges Dam is to whip up China’s hatred toward the U.S. and increase China’s resolve to defeat the U.S. by magnitudes.

    • 回复: @Frank frank
  90. @Rich

    As to defeating countries with reportedly higher IQs, do you think the Japs and the Krauts were low IQ countries?

    Are you forgetting that, in WW2, you had the USSR, the Chinese and the Indians not to mention dozens of other countries populations on your side to help you and in a war that you provoked with China tomorrow or next week, there would probably be very few volunteers from anywhere to help you.

    Of course, I realize that it is common in the USA to think that the US won WW2 all on its own, but it won’t wash on UR.

    • 同意: Mary Marianne
    • 回复: @Rich
  91. last straw 说:
    @Showmethereal

    I guess the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse left an indelible mark in Ian Fleming’s mind. The only difference is that the Japanese had Air Force in WW2 only, but China also has Rocket Force today, as well as Air Force. Most people have no idea that a war with China will be a missile war, a new kind of warfare in human history.

  92. Charlie 说:
    @Rahan

    如果印度和中国有 XNUMX 亿人被焚烧,放射性灰烬的第一站是北美,紧随其后的是亲爱的老布莱蒂。

    • 回复: @but an humble craftsman
  93. USA has spent 7 trillion in Iraq Afghanistan –been there for 20 years and still no clear victory:? Now suppose they face a real military—-it would be like sending “Dink and Doink to fight the Towers of Doom” in GWBs Texan parlance.

  94. China will never, ever, ever invade Taiwan.

    The threat to do so is in exactly the same class as:

    Rand, a thinktank wholly owned by the Pentagon, at least mentally, has wargamed both the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea, concluding that the war could be both very long and a loss for America. We no longer live in 1960.

    Come’on Fred, …

    Rand, a thinktank wholly owned by the Pentagon…

    Talk of war by both sides has 意图, and talk of comparative weakness by the MIC, has intent. A $600 billion defense budget is simply not enough, we need much, much more, didntchyaknow? Companies need year-on-year growth ya-know.

    China’s dependency on the US exceeds the US dependency on China. The bright minds running China know this.

    The reasons for avoiding a war with China are not that it is a threat at sea, that it’s land-based missiles are a threat (to anyone but Taiwan), or that there is serious prospect of facing defeat. The reasons to avoid war are the asymmetric ways China wage war that Americans aren’t prepared for, even if the Pentagon is aware of them, as well as the realistic risk of nuclear exchange.

    That either side or both doesn’t find the latter sufficient cause to mend their ways is what should trouble all of us.

  95. Rich 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Yeah, yeah, the typical public school opinion of the Vietnam War. Your leftist teachers probably gave you a slew of B’s for spewing the party line. Now, if you’re so inclined, read about Operation Linebacker, the defeat of the VC and the North’s begging for a peace deal. Or don’t. Just know that you’re wrong. Or a tool of typical communist propagandists.

    • 回复: @Daniel H
  96. Anon[369]• 免责声明 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I think you overestimate the power of nuclear weapons.

    Now, punch those yields into the nuclear blast simulator:

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

    • 回复: @Miro23
    , @Sparkylyle92
  97. @SteveK9

    Ok – so economic dependence on China is dangerous…??? Explain then how you will replace all the money US companies make selling into China… Qualcomm exports the most to China. GM sells more cars in China than it does in the US. Apple doesn’t just make in China – it also has 30% of it’s revenue there. How on earth do you de-couple that? Who is going to buy? India?

  98. @J

    “Japan had China vanquished in three weeks”

    Huh? The second Sino Japanese War started in 1937 and lasted until the end of WW2. That’s 8 years. Japan had the better military equipment and China was occupied and completely disjointed (much of the country was governed by warlords – and in the midst of civil war). The opposite of today. The attack on Pearl Harbor was because Japan was using up so many resources trying to conquer all of China. Once the spigot was stopped (the US was gladly selling the Japanese war materials for years) – Japan would have soon collapsed. It was all or nothing at that point.

    “Viet Nam repulsed China in the last frontier war. ”

    China held piece of Vietnam territory until the early 90’s when they finalized their border. Vietnam learned from China’s Korea experience on guerilla warfare…. So why would China be dumb enough to try to occupy all of Vietnam. They held piece of their territory and drained Vietnam until they left Cambodia. Shelling was going on at the border for a decade but China never gave it back until the formal treaty in the 90’s. You can go check the border treaty.

    • 回复: @J
  99. Joe Stalin 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Sorry, the money paid for infrastructure in PRC, and that’s where the money is. The railroads it paid for are in PRC.

    Pay up, PRC.

    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
    , @Eugene Norman
  100. @Anon

    Are you insane? How “relatively unscathed” would you be okay with the US being after a full nuclear exchange with China’s 300 ICBMs? What is it that the US is gaining in return for only being “relatively unscathed”? That entire thought process is madness.

  101. The USA couldn’t even defeat China when it was at its peak and the PRC still a fledging people’s republic during the Korean War. And yet the USA thinks it will win 联系 when it is in its twilight years, while at the same time China has returning to its place of primacy?

  102. Joe Stalin 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    The bonds were issued by the Republic of China — which ousted the imperial government in a coup — as far back as 1912 and backed by gold; they were defaulted on in 1938. The ROC government fled to Taiwan, where it remains the official ruling body, after Mao Zedong’s communist party took over following the 1949 end of the revolution.

    Beijing maintains Taiwan is part of China, and under international law, successor governments are responsible for the debts of their predecessors.

    Bianco, who has power of attorney for 95 percent of the thousands of U.S. bondholders, said making China repay its debt would “not be punishment,” but rather a basic fundamental of international finance.

    此举有国际先例:英国首相玛格丽特·撒切尔 (Margaret Thatcher) 于 1987 年命令北京兑现英国人持有的债券,否则将无法进入英国资本市场。 时任中国国家主席李先念的政府有义务,达成了 23.5 万英镑的和解。

    By paying some bondholders and not others, Beijing is technically in selective default, according to the ratings of bond-risk firms Moody’s, Standard & Poors and Fitch. Until China pays, it cannot sell debt on the international market, Bianco said.

    The U.S. and China normalized relations in 1979, but cables dating as far back as May 1973 viewed by FOX Business show the State Department told Beijing that while the debt didn’t have to be paid at that time, it would not be forgiven.

    There have been attempts to litigate pre-Communist party bonds in the past.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/historic-chinese-bonds-trump-leverage-beijing

  103. @Joe Stalin

    You listen to that cult Falun Gong and the NED who run that “China Uncensored” site? Well here is the thing… Those bonds that the US is owed from China were issued and defaulted on by the ROC government who fled to Taiwan. So when the US shuts up and leaves Taiwan to the PRC then maybe they will get paid. Or – since the ROC took all the treasury of the whole of China to Taiwan – then the US should go ask Tsai and the DPP to pay. Such ignorant hypocrisy.

    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
  104. Ron Unz 说:

    好吧,这是我几个月前在另一个线程上留下的评论,但与这个评论更相关:

    早在 1940 年,美国在工业潜力和资源上都比德国优越得多,因此只需挑起战争即可几乎不可避免地获胜,尤其是考虑到与我们结盟的其他强大国家。 我在去年的一篇长文中讨论了这段历史:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

    但在当今世界,中国在经济上已经比美国强,特别是在工业能力上,而美国主要只是在宣传和媒体上占优势,如果真的爆发战争,这些可能效果要差得多。

    再者,虽然美国确实控制着欧洲诸侯国,印度和日本可能是盟友,但它们在军事上或工业上都比较薄弱,如果被迫与中国、美国进行疯狂的战争,有些甚至可能面临国内动荡。尽管有宣传。

    与此同时,美国对俄罗斯和伊朗的无休止的疯狂挑衅肯定会让它们在任何冲突中成为中国的天然盟友。

    所以不同的是,二战中的力量对比对美国和德国大有裨益,但如今,情况可能发生了逆转。 然而,由于美国的最高领导层完全是疯狂、妄想和无能,他们可能没有认识到这一现实。

    https://www.unz.com/article/yes-we-are-headed-for-violent-civil-war/?showcomments#comment-4219371

    • 同意: Zarathustra, turtle, JMcG
    • 不同意: God's Fool
  105. Rich 说:
    @foolisholdman

    Are you for real? The Chinese? The Indians? The actual India Indians? Yeah they did a great job.

    Now, this may be news to you, but everyone and their cousin knows the Soviets fought in WW2. Get over it. You don’t have any special knowledge. Seems like you vassals love to pretend the US had nothing to do with the defeat of the Nazis. I don’t get it. Do you clowns really believe that? Gets funnier every day.

  106. We ARE in a war with China. The days of shooting wars are long gone. Kinetics take a different form these days. The Chinese are trying to assume control of our Executive Branch after already gaining a controlling interest in the Legislature and Judiciary. This is what the war looks like. Evidently we don’t even have the stomach for Stopping the Steal. If anyone is hellbent of shooting, then they should shoot the Chinese agents holding positions in out Gov’t. Not limited to Swalwell.

    • 回复: @Badger Down
  107. MarkinLA 说:
    @last straw

    Also, since the fight is in China’s home turf, it’s the U.S., not China, that faces logistic nightmares.

    错了,任何战争的主要问题是你能否在不摧毁自己的情况下摧毁敌人。 中国唯一的报复方式是洲际弹道导弹,也可能是潜射核导弹。 美国可能无法像战争啦啦队声称的那样对中国造成如此大的伤害,但美国可以用常规弹药攻击地球上几乎任何地方,而中国则不能。

    what can you really achieve? Causing mass civilian casualties and making you an international pariah.

    This is dumb. Why would you care about civilian casualties and being an “international pariah” if you were in a war as big as one with China would be?

  108. MarkinLA 说:
    @last straw

    Neither is the PLA. India shows just what the army of “Little Emperors” looks like.

  109. Joe Stalin 说:
    @showmethereal

    Sorry, PRC still owes the money. They got to use the money, and the infrastructure it paid for.

    Beijing maintains Taiwan is part of China, and under international law, successor governments are responsible for the debts of their predecessors.

    As for your proverbial smears of CU via Falun Gong for financing, that’s a big laugh and utterly no relevance to the validity of the story.

    Speaking of Falun Gong and PRC:

  110. MarkinLA 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    In the Korean War the Chinese Red Army did very well against the US

    If you call sending in wave after wave of poor dumb peasants into machine gun fire until the guns overheated and froze up doing very well.

  111. Rayofhope 说:

    感谢我们自苏联解体以来的政策,特别是自2014年乌克兰颜色革命政变和对俄罗斯的无情制裁以来,俄罗斯和中国现在是战略伙伴,甚至谈及军事联盟。 与中国的战争最终可能涉及俄罗斯。 不仅中国从俄罗斯购买了S-400,普京在我相信瓦尔代俱乐部会议上提到,俄罗斯提供了额外的覆盖中国的战略防御系统。
    如果入侵伊拉克是美国迄今为止最严重的战略失误之一,那么如果我们不小心,它可能是第三次世界大战,核大国结束地球上的生命。 最高级别的廉价谈话可能被证明是不可逆转的最昂贵的最终结果。

    • 回复: @Anon99
    , @Showmethereal
  112. Joe Stalin 说:
    @MarkinLA

    Not just machine gun fire; semi-automatic rifles as well. I remember reading a letter in American Rifleman many year ago concerning the M-1 Garand. The letter writer said of the Garand that they just kept firing at the ChiComs until the .30 bores looked like “.40s” but they didn’t care because they had plenty of rifles.

    I remember my US History teacher in HS talking about the ChiComs were right behind them in Korea.

  113. Daniel H 说:
    @Rich

    Typical bragging bullshitter. The North Vietnamese won the war. They beat us. It’s that simple.

    Furthermore, we shouldn’t have won, had that been the case. The hippies/peacenicks/long hairs/libruls/Buddhists/Quakers were right on the matter and the solid, silent go-it-along American patriot was taken for a chump. You sound like a chump.

    • 同意: Herald
    • 不同意: Rich
    • 回复: @Carlton Meyer
  114. Anon99 说:
    @Rayofhope

    谢谢你的智慧之言。 我希望所有这些欢快地呼吁核战争(“美国有成千上万的核武器,所以他们可以毫发无损地逃脱,咯咯咯咯的笑声”)的所有这些扶手椅将军都只是冷酷地拖钓,否则他们比我想象的更疯狂。

  115. @Rich

    The reason for fighting in SE Asia was to stop the murderous communists from being able to kill and torture more people.

    I think what you meant was, “The [futile] reason for fighting in SE Asia was to stop the [complacent indifference of the general population to] murderous communists being able to kill and torture more people.

    Sorry if I’m mistaken on what you mean, in case you believe the values held by that population will ever reach the value of the 65,000 americans who died on behalf of illusions such as yours. They died honorably yet unknowingly for a lie. However, you now preach proselytize and baptize others in that lie. Must be hell in your head with all that vomit floating around after all these years.

    • 回复: @Rich
  116. d dan 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Sorry, PRC still owes the money. They got to use the money, and the infrastructure it paid for.”

    Sure, after you pay back to burning and damages of the summer palace and the Forbidden City; profits from the opium trades, 8-Alliance invasion; and return and repay all stolen and damaged treasures and artifacts, …

    Plus, after Whites return the lands to the Native Americans, Eskimos, Native Hawaiians, Guam natives, Puerto Rican, Mexico; pay reparations to the Black slaves; pay damages to the internment of Japanese Americans; pay damages to the discrimination against the Chinese coolies, pay for war crimes and collateral damages against Iraqi, Afghans, Palestinians, Vietnamese, Laos, Cambodians, Koreans, …

    我相信在你们完成上述所有操作后,PRC 会考虑偿还 ROC 借来的钱。 交易?

    • 同意: Showmethereal, Rdm
    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
    , @xcd
  117. @last straw

    解放军不再像亚历山大那样想要印度。 旁遮普邦和哈里亚纳邦可能,但成本和利润是多少?

    However, when knowing death lies to the rear of those among themselves who will not fight, and knowing Taiwan perfects the assertion of the nine-dash line surrounded by water (and not by obsequious indians), the PLA for these clear compelling reasons will fight. More, the Taiwanese will NOT fight due to knowing what would happen, (or as Verbal Kint would explain) “How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?”

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  118. @Daniel H

    The North Vietnamese won the war. They beat us. It’s that simple.

    Incorrect and misleading. The Vietnamese won the war. They beat us. It’s that simple. (The people in south didn’t want us there either.)

    • 同意: Biff
    • 回复: @The Soft Parade
  119. d dan 说:
    @MarkinLA

    “If you call sending in wave after wave of poor dumb peasants…”

    Sounds like the coward Americans were even dumber – couldn’t even beat “poor dumb peasants”, despite having the best weapons, airplanes, aircraft carriers and even nuclear bombs. Americans couldn’t even find enough vehicles and ships to carry the retreating soldiers and tons of equipment had to be abandoned. The US-led 17-nation force suffered the most humiliating defeat in the history of human warfare, to a nation of “poor dumb peasants” just founded a year ago in 1949.

    This is rich: the more you denigrate PLA, the worse it looks for American’s defeat.

  120. As electoral politics, this will prove suboptimal.

    “Electoral politics?” Seriously, Fred? Have you been paying any attention at all over the past six weeks to the corrupt farce that is “Election 2020,” the most visibly and brazenly rigged election in U.S. history, a stolen election that will very likely be allowed to stand due to the hopeless corruption infesting ALL of the USA’s governmental institutions?

    It’s obvious that America’s Powers That Be don’t give two dried shits or a damn about “electoral politics,” and if the want a war, they’ll have one, whether the hoi polloi “vote for it” or not. To say that elections any longer have any meaning in this Banana Republic is just idiotic. Wake up, Fred.

    • 同意: Peripatetic Itch
  121. Joe Paluka 说:

    All the war hawks in the government and pentagon know that after seeing the compulsory training film The Sand Pebbles, that war with China would be a cakewalk. Just send a few gunboats up the Pearl, the Yangtze and the Yellow Rivers, shoot at the rioting peasants carrying pitchforks and show them who’s boss.

  122. Joe Paluka 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    Isn’t he the English teacher in China that boasted of his conquests with Chinese women on his website? I think he went by the name Chinabounder.

  123. Joe Paluka 说:
    @Ron Unz

    美国与中国开战的唯一希望就是不断向解放军中的男人们宣传他们需要接触他们内心的女性化一面,如果他们换了,美国会给任何人免费的Egg Foo Yung和变性手术边。

    • 哈哈: Maowasayali, God's Fool
    • 回复: @Maowasayali
    , @Rdm
  124. J 说:
    @showmethereal

    Japan basically vanquished China and occupied the North in a few weeks. That is a fact. Japan left China as consequence of its imbecility of trying to conquer all of Asia and attacking the USA, not because of Chinese military victory. China suffers periodical internal breakdowns, and the current regime knows it.

    • 不同意: Biff, Badger Down
    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  125. @MarkinLA

    Well Mark one could say they put their numerical advantage to good use. War is about winning by any and whatever available means. They fought US and all their UN allies to a standstill and I’d say that’s a fairly good achievement for a nation emerging from a world war and a civil war.

    • 回复: @d dan
  126. @Ron Unz

    如果涉及到这一点,我应该认为巴基斯坦也会参与其中,而印度将不得不在两条战线上作战。

  127. animalogic 说:
    @Rich

    “The new, leftist Congress, actually supported the communist side in the Vietnam War and refused to send the promised support to the South.”
    There has never been a “leftist” Congress in US history — merely Congresses a fraction less in hyper capitalist & imperialist than another….
    Its worth recalling that the South was so morally corrupt, to the point where tho not wishing a NVA victory, they’d be buggered if they’d lift a finger to stop it.
    The US could have pumped in extra billions on billions after withdrawal & it still wouldn’t have changed the outcome: half a country morally lost & cynical, the other half full of “passionate intensity” to win….
    Its not enough to win battles — the old cliche IS correct: war is POLITICS by other means.

    • 同意: dfordoom
    • 回复: @Rich
  128. Rich 说:
    @The Soft Parade

    Was it futile? By fighting the Reds in Vietnam the US showed its willingness to militarily confront the expanding monster, slowing it and eventually stopping it. Mistakes were made and many good men died unnecessarily, but they fought and died in a noble cause.

    I think the bile you just spewed about what you imagine goes on in my head reveals more about what’s happening in your own mind.

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Badger Down
  129. @Daddio7

    We do not need to occupy their land, just block their food imports.

    And their imports of oil and coal. These days food is a matter of chemical fertilizer (not to mention “night soil” which they have in abundance).

    This would undoubtedly be our strategy, not invading China.

    They know this and are stockpiling energy supplies and fertilizer. Barring that the confrontation becomes a nuclear exchange, it will become a matter of whose population will bear the burden the longest.

    A blockade of China is quite do-able if certain “allies” go along with the effort (mainly Japan, India, Australia, Viet Nam …) and IF the ChiComs do not launch nukes.

    有趣的时代…

  130. @Bill Jones

    What, do you think, would “victory” in a US war on China look like?

    A “victory” would consist of a loss of Chinese cohesion.

    What changes to the existing situation would result and how would they be enforced?

    With a lack of enforced cohesion (currently enforced by the CCP) the natural rivalries between parts of China would prevent the entire nation from acting in concert – at least that is the theory.

    I am sure there are plenty of apologists around to argue against what I have said. I do not make the argument that this view is correct only that I believe it is the theory.

  131. 道格拉斯·麦克阿瑟(Douglas MacArthur)在 1954 年预测,到 2004 年中国将成为世界顶级军事强国之一。

    50年后,如果她能发展她的飞机制造设施,中国将成为世界顶级军事强国之一。

    1957 年至 1976 年的疯狂将其推迟了相应的几十年,但除此之外,他还是恰到好处。

    • 同意: Lake Wobegon
    • 回复: @Rdm
    , @God's Fool
  132. Stick 说:
    @Showmethereal

    China has an experimental navy at sea. It is comprised of updated 1970’s Soviet ships. Our submarines alone could sink the entire ChiCom navy in a couple of days should they be foolish enough to go to sea. Our Navy with Japan’s Navy can easily embargo all commercial traffic to China. I doubt Russia has any reason to defend China’s economy. With this construct, how does China win in a showdown? China is not loved in Asia. They would find very few welcoming ports to hide in.

  133. Rich 说:
    @animalogic

    The South Vietnamese Military lost over 250,000 men during the war. It’s true that many were poorly trained and poorly armed but they did fight. If they’d received the promised air support and supplies the communist sympathizing leftist Congress refused to send, they would have defeated the Reds.

    The corruption in the S Vietnamese government was no more or less than any other government in the region and the government itself was much more benign towards its citizens than that of the North.

    The Leftist Congress of the US may not fit your definition of what’s left and right in the world, but they were the “left” within the US at the time.

  134. “There is talk within the Washingtoniat of a possible war with China. Steve Bannon, who apparently was dropped on his head as a child, actually favors such a war. We hear the usual shoo-the-boobs alarm about how the Chinese are doing something terrible and we must gird our loins and American values and show them what for, bow wow, woof. ”

    China’s Minister of Defence said back in the 90s that China was at war with the US.

    Was he dropped on his head as well?

    His paper detailed the racial superiority of the Chinese, their ethnic connection to American Indians, why US land is China’s by birthright, and why they would get it incrementally instead of bombing US cities.

    When an enemy openly says he’s out to destroy you…do you buy his rope to hang yourself?

    • 回复: @anon
  135. Joe Stalin 说:
    @d dan

    Anything you say, bud. Only these are actually contractual obligations which have ZERO to do with anything you’re crying about. Money given by private individuals in return for a promise of repayment.

    So NO DEAL because it has nothing to do with the DEBT contract.

    ---

    Joe Paluka:

    Isn’t he the English teacher in China that boasted of his conquests with Chinese women on his website? I think he went by the name Chinabounder.

    He goes by “serpentza” on his YT channel; any link to where he refers to himself as “Chinabounder?”

    • 回复: @d dan
  136. @Notsofast

    it had been russian until 1954 when khrushchev in a generous mood gave it to ukraine as a “gift”. the overwhelming majority of crimeans want to be part of the russian federation and are 70% russian in heritage and language.

    A “gift” can be a burden. To join both Crimea and the Donbas to Ukraine may have been a ploy to glue Ukraine to the Soviet Union.

  137. Joe Stalin 说:

    It’s almost the 70th anniversary of America’s Dunkirk, the evacuation of Hungnam, North Korea by the United States military and US Merchant Marine.

    Around 100K thousand North Korean civilians decided that the ChiCom ancestors of our various anti-American commentators here on Unz were NOT good-to-go and rather than staying, went with the White man to South Korea.

    SS梅雷迪思胜利

    22 年 1950 月 XNUMX 日的行动

    勇敢的船奖引文:

    1950 年 XNUMX 月,在联合国部队划时代的撤离韩国兴南的高峰期,梅雷迪斯胜利号应邀协助撤离被包围的敌军困住并面临死亡威胁的韩国平民。 大多数军事人员已被撤出,这座城市被敌人的炮火烧毁。 尽管迫在眉睫的大炮和空袭的危险,虽然她的逃跑路线变得越来越不稳定,但梅雷迪斯胜利号还是穿越了敌人的雷区,虽然食物和水很少,没有医生和翻译,但完成了三天的航行载着她的人类货物在釜山安全抵达,包括几个在途中出生的婴儿,没有一个人丧生。

    她的船长、军官和船员的勇气、足智多谋、良好的航海技术和团队合作成功完成了世界历史上最伟大的海上救援之一,使梅雷迪斯胜利号的名字作为英勇船的名字永存。

    https://www.maritime.dot.gov/history/gallant-ship-award/ss-meredith-victory

  138. @Joe Stalin

    This is Winston, a S African who lived in China for a decade, married a Chinese woman and has a child by her. He’s always whining about how the Chinese are different.
    You Idiot Winston, the Chinese are different. They have a different culture and aspirations; after living in the country for 10 years you still didn’t figure it out?
    I hope your marriage survives and your kids do well.

  139. d dan 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Only these are actually contractual obligations which have ZERO to do with anything you’re crying about. Money given by private individuals in return for a promise of repayment.”

    1. So private interests should trump all soverieity rights, international laws and practices, moral standards and humanity obligations – got it. I can see which side of your bread is buttered.

    2. And if these are private disputes, go ahead to claim them from the RELEVANT legal entities. Why quote or talk as if they are moral outrage like that stupid “English teacher”. Send your lawyers to ROC courts for the claims.

    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
  140. MichaelWme 说:

    The only thing I think is probably wrong in this article is the PRC destroying factories in Taiwan. As Kim said, he has no dislike for his brothers, the South Koreans, only for the Western imperialists. And the PRC wants Taiwan to be more like Hong Kong, but they would, at most, invade and stop those factories from supplying the US, they probably would not destroy those factories.

  141. d dan 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    “Well Mark one could say they put their numerical advantage to good use.”

    It was not even that. In the early weeks of China’s involvement, China did not have numerical advantage. You have to count the huge South Korea in additional to the other UN forces. In fact, in many local engagements throughout the war, there were situations where PLA were outnumbered.

    The so called “human wave” story, of course, was invented by American a few years after their humiliating defeat. This year happens to be the 70th anniversary of the terrible war, and there are lots of activities in China commemorating the war: ceremonies honoring the veterans, books, movies, speeches, academic studies, papers, popular discussions in Internet and others, etc. Whereas in US: cricket, doze zzzzzz ….

    Understand why?

    • 谢谢: Commentator Mike
    • 回复: @Rich
    , @showmethereal
  142. @Joe Stalin

    Falun Gong and NED are absolutely a part of the PSYOPS against China and absolutey source matters when discussing such issues.

    You cant even address them but you repeat the same nonsense you get from Fox News. Unless the US stops its amiguity about “the Taiwan question” and fully minds its own business then it won’t have a case. That includes Taiwan and the SCS islands as noted in the Treaty of Taipei that Japan had to sign. When Washington does the honorable thing then I am sure the PRC would have no problem. No real court would take the claims serious otherwise. Only a gangster would try to extort the new owner of a property after the old owner absconded. Then again you Washington is collecting “protection” (extortion) fees to this day from Taiwan. I tell you just like those on Taiwan who claim they are not China. Then they should pay back all the treasury that was taken to the island to prosper it because that was theft then. You people cant have it both ways.

    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
  143. @Rayofhope

    Putin said they were helping China develop their early warning system against missile attack. I believe that is what you were referring to. There was also talk that both were sharing submarine designs with each other as they both build next gen subs.

    • 回复: @Rayofhope
  144. @J

    China was barely a functioning country. That was something to brag about? The government wasnt even functioning in the northeast. It was warlord territory. That is not the case now and Japan knows it. That is Japans biggest fear… That she would be reduced to being pirates again because China would want revenge. The Japanese were very smart as they knew they had a few decades window. And you are correct that China does usually fall into disarray. But that is usually after a few centuries – not decades. You should revise your calendar.

    And just for the record – if 1 million Japanese didnt die fighting in China then the US would have had a different beast to fight. If it hadnt used up so much material (though it stole thousands of tons of gold and other resources) it would have been a different beast for the US to deal with. But its a moot point simce the fact is Japan attacked the US only because it stopped selling war supplies it its attempt to take over all of China – thanks to the Soong clan lobbying FDR.

    If you dont get why the situations are completely different then I dont know what to tell you. You probably thought Afghanistan would fold in 6 weeks.

    • 回复: @GammaRay
  145. Rich 说:
    @d dan

    Nonsense. I am, and have been, acquainted with quite a few Americans who fought against the Chinese in Korea, and all spoke about the waves of Chinese infantrymen swarming at them and being cut down, one after another. They also spoke of the bravery and experience of many of the Chinese soldiers. None of them, not a single one, had any reason to lie to me when they described the events. You are just plain wrong.

    • 回复: @Lake Wobegon
    , @d dan
  146. @Anon

    你的回答有几个问题。

    1. The number 350 warheads was based on someone’s wild ass guess and had not moved much over the decades. Based on the number of warheads that could be mounted on their missiles that would reach the U.S., they are likely to have 1000 or more warheads. The cost of maintaining these warheads, for a country the size of China is relatively small. If you take out top 200-500 of our biggest cities, tell me if we would still be “unscathed”?

    2. 如果不打核战争,只打常规战争,我们很快就会失去我们在日本、韩国的所有基地,以及环绕中国第一岛链的所有岛屿。 对于一直到冲绳的较小岛屿,中国甚至可以占领它们。 一旦发生这种情况,要重新夺回这些基地就需要我们将船只派往很远的地方。 同样,为这些失去武器的基地重新补给也需要从夏威夷一路运来的船只。 美国基本上会失去东亚。 韩国和日本现在将落入与中国的阵营。

    3、从中美两国应对新冠病毒的方式来看,即使中国在核交战后遭受更大的损失,如果我们能做到,美国也需要更长的时间来恢复。 与美国进行核交锋后,中国极有可能成为全球霸主

    • 回复: @xcd
  147. Savageone 说:

    Good thing we have cooperative members of Congress in our Intelligence Committee that hire Chinese spies so our most sensitive secret information can be more readily shared with their handlers back home. Like Diane Feinstein’s Chinese limo driver of 20 years and Eric Swalwell’s young Chinese intern Fang Fang he was diddling as well as providing secrets to for years. Oddly, when the FBI notified these esteemed members of Congress that they were employing spies, their slanty-eyed helpers quickly returned to whence they came and nothing was done to remove those two idiots from their Intelligence Committee jobs. And Pelosi and her chief minion Adam Schiff knew all about both of them and thought that was OK for them to keep them on their staff. We are doomed.

  148. @Rich

    Look, China was faced with a big foreign power pushing right to its doorsteps and was defending itself. They are up against the biggest military power at the time and had never won a war against a foreign power up to that point. They don’t have much equipment and fought with what they got. There is no question that they lost much more men compared to the U.S. That they fought the U.S. to a draw was very impressive. Contrast this with Saddam against the U.S., we had a much smaller army against the fourth largest military in the world. I think we probably kill more of our own by friendly fire. They folded like a cheap suit.

    • 同意: Rich
  149. d dan 说:
    @Rich

    “… all spoke about the waves of Chinese infantrymen swarming at them and being cut down, one after another.”

    If you check the wikipedia (not a China-friendly site), you would see that the total number of soldiers for Chinese side (i.e. North Korea, China, Soviet) was about 2.9 million, and the US-led UN forces was about 1.7 million. Sure, Chinese has numerical advantage, but those numbers could hardly sustain the type of “human wave” tactics that the other commenters alluded to, like this one:

    “sending in wave after wave of poor dumb peasants into machine gun fire until the guns overheated and froze up …”

    Similarly, you could look at the casualty numbers of both sides, and you could easily conclude that China’s successes in the battle fields were NOT due to some “poor dumb peasants” charging into machine gun fire. And we haven’t even talk about the early stage of the war and some local battle where Chinese was outnumbered.

    • 回复: @last straw
    , @Rich
    , @Tdstype2
  150. Joe Stalin 说:
    @d dan

    此举有国际先例:英国首相玛格丽特·撒切尔 (Margaret Thatcher) 于 1987 年命令北京兑现英国人持有的债券,否则将无法进入英国资本市场。 时任中国国家主席李先念的政府有义务,达成了 23.5 万英镑的和解。

    显然,PRC 知道他们欠私人投资者的钱,只有通过强制手段才能让他们付款。

    • 回复: @d dan
  151. d dan 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    “……只有强制才能让他们付出代价。”

    听起来不错。 用不了多久,中国就会强大到对美国和其他西方国家或私人实体施加类似的胁迫,在颐和园、故宫等地赔偿损失,甚至帮助伊拉克或其他国家寻求赔偿犯下了战争罪行。

    如果那是你们非常自豪和高兴的游戏……

    • 哈哈: xcd
    • 回复: @last straw
  152. Joe Stalin 说:
    @Showmethereal

    Falun Gong and NED are absolutely a part of the 小精灵 反对中国

    PSYOPS?

    Considering that the PRC is engaging in continuous war against the USA, that’s actually FUNNY!

    • 巨魔: showmethereal
  153. willem1 说:
    @nokangaroos

    “Half the Taiwanese lean towards China, another third doesnt give a shit either way –”

    This is just flat out wrong. Recent surveys show public opinion STRONGLY against any kind of unification, and definite negative sentiment toward the mainland. Even those who choose “maintain the status quo” in surveys likely do so because they know that an overt declaration of independence would probably lead to war.

    The few still favoring unification are either old farts originally from the mainland, or the uber-rich guys who believe (much like the rich guys in the West!) that they can negotiate terms of surrender that allow them to keep their wealth under a new regime.

    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  154. last straw 说:
    @d dan

    It has been well known that human-wave attacks do not work since WWI. Anyone who claims China engaged in human-wave attacks in Korea just does not know better, or is just lying.

    • 回复: @Rich
  155. last straw 说:
    @d dan

    说实话,我认为中国愿意偿还债券以换取与台湾的和平统一。 仅台积电就值一半。

    • 同意: showmethereal
    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  156. last straw 说:
    @MarkinLA

    错了,任何战争的主要问题是你能否在不摧毁自己的情况下摧毁敌人。 中国唯一的报复方式是洲际弹道导弹,也可能是潜射核导弹。 美国可能无法像战争啦啦队声称的那样对中国造成如此大的伤害,但美国可以用常规弹药攻击地球上几乎任何地方,而中国则不能。

    You forget all those U.S. military bases surrounding China. During a war they will be fair games and a liability for the U.S.

    This is dumb. Why would you care about civilian casualties and being an “international pariah” if you were in a war as big as one with China would be?

    So committing a extremely vicious war crime, while increasing exponentially China’s hatred toward the U.S. and their resolve to defeat the U.S. sounds good to you? It’s counterproductive at its extreme, actually.

    • 同意: showmethereal, annamaria
  157. Rich 说:
    @d dan

    So the men that actually fought in the war didn’t know what happened? Only you and your pro-red, anti-American viewpoint know what went on? Is propaganda all you guys live for? You guys never stop. I don’t get it.

    • 回复: @d dan
  158. Rich 说:
    @last straw

    The men who fought in the war don’t know what they’re talking about but you do? You have to be kidding me.

    • 回复: @last straw
    , @HeebHunter
  159. d dan 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    “Considering that the PRC is engaging in continuous war against the USA…”

    The “English teacher” was obviously trained by Falun Gong and the “we lied, we cheated, we stole” organization of Pompeo – same gene, same type, same thinking. No difference. Can’t get away.

    And you are obviously a shameless tool and useful idiot – a microphone for the propaganda machine.

    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
  160. d dan 说:
    @Rich

    “So the men that actually fought in the war didn’t know what happened? Only you and your pro-red, anti-American viewpoint know what went on?”

    LOL. Yes, I say your men are confused and brainwashed. And very often, yes, they did not know what actually happened – they did not know the big picture.

    Go ahead to read the analysis from BOTH sides (do you read Chinese? Probably not.). Go ahead to use your logical skill. Go ahead and look at the figures. A less than 2-to-1 numerical advantage (as stated in wikipedia) could not afford a “human wave” strategy. Neither is the casualty numbers support that.

    As I say, there are voluminous info on the Chinese sides today about the war. I don’t have the time nor the inclination to translate and explain all of them, but a few simple points:

    1. US commanders had a very inflexible strategy in movement. For example, when they moved the forces forward, they moved in a straight line: the left frank, the right frank and the center ALL moved at the same speed. The reason was that US commanders were very fearful of enemy behind their line. This weakness was observed very early by the Chinese side and exploited in many situations. A small Chinese force was usually tasked to infilter, usually at night, behind UN line. They hided there until at night, then they coordinated attack with a larger frontline assault. Often time, the infiltered force was small, but the surprise effect and confusion made the UN forces thought that there were surrounded by 5 or 10 times of enemy. They often couldn’t understand why there were “so many” Chinese soldiers behind them.

    2. When Chinese forces retreated, they usually left some small groups behind hiding in mountains or the woods. These forces quickly moved around in succession, causing UN forces to think that they were large force, thereby slowed down UN forces’ advance.

    3. Most Chinese commanders usually explained the “big picture” strategy to the lower ranked soldiers before the battle. They allowed and enabled them to flexibly change the plan at local level when the situation required.

    4. And several tactical and strategic advantages.

    “Is propaganda all you guys live for? You guys never stop. I don’t get it.”

    Now tell me who is living in propaganda?

    • 同意: bike-anarkist
    • 谢谢: Mary Marianne
    • 回复: @Badger Down
  161. Biff 说:

    No shortage of arm chair chicken hawks in this thread.

  162. @Stick

    “China has an experimental navy at sea”

    Aside from launching cruise missiles and aircraft at countries that can’t shoot back – what is the US Navy. They haven’t fought a peer since WW2.

    “It is comprised of updated 1970’s Soviet ships.”

    Nonsense… China is the most prolific ship builder and has the lowest average age of vessels of any major nation.

    “I doubt Russia has any reason to defend China’s economy.”

    China and Russia have spent the past several years announcing and showing their joint training. In the Sea of Japan (both have shared interest there). Russia has gone to the South China Sea to train with China – where China has their interests. In turn China has gone to the Baltic Sea to train with Russia where Russia has interests. They have also both gone to the Persian Gulf to train with Iran where they all have interests. All of these were public and not clandestine. You don’t get the significance of such???

    “Our submarines alone could sink the entire ChiCom navy in a couple of days should they be foolish enough to go to sea. Our Navy with Japan’s Navy can easily embargo all commercial traffic to China.”

    Again that is not living in reality. You do know that China has public “scientific” listening devices in the Mariana Trench right? Those devices can hear all the way to Guam. You think they aren’t dual use and don’t track submarines??? Also don’t you know about the “Great Undersea Wall” that China began laying in all the waters in the area to listen for submarines?? The US and Japan have something similar around Japanese waters – but that’s the point – they aren’t the only ones who can. China has subs too you know – in fact more subs than the US. US subs have the advantage out in the huge expanses of the Pacific and Atlantic where by virtue of nuclear power they can stay submerged. But the fight (God forbid) wouldn’t be there… It would be within the second island chain. In those shallower waters China’s subs can use their AIP coupled with with their diesel electric systems to actually move more silently. China’s and US sub fleets are built for two different types of wars. You seem very unaware of such things.

    • 同意: SeekerofthePresence
  163. last straw 说:
    @Stick

    China has an experimental navy at sea. It is comprised of updated 1970’s Soviet ships. Our submarines alone could sink the entire ChiCom navy in a couple of days should they be foolish enough to go to sea. Our Navy with Japan’s Navy can easily embargo all commercial traffic to China. I doubt Russia has any reason to defend China’s economy. With this construct, how does China win in a showdown? China is not loved in Asia. They would find very few welcoming ports to hide in.

    An experimental navy? Never heard of 054, 052D, 055, 093 and Yuan class submarines etc? U.S. submarines will be picked up by Chinese SOSUS in the west Pacific and destroyed by China’s ASW airplanes and slower but quieter diesel-electric submarines before they can sink many Chinese ships, because the short-legged anti-ship Harpoon missiles used by the U.S. subs are a relic and even the newer Tomahawk cruise missiles are subsonic and easily shot down by Chinese fleet air-defense. These are in stark contrast to China’s supersonic YJ-12, YJ-18, hypersonic DF-17, ballistic DF-21D, and DF-26B. Torpedoes have even shorter ranges and easier to defeat.

    The size of China’s economy is at least 6 times bigger than Russia’s. China does not expect Russia to bail out their economy. Not a single nation in Asia will join America’s war against China. Don’t believe me? Just check out what RCEP is.

  164. @d dan

    Indeed I have read accounts of US military personnel who became disheartened when they saw that Chinese soldiers literally had no shoes in some instances – yet were fearless. They said they knew they weren’t going to win fighting against a unit so convincingly outmatched equipment and arms wise – but yet was willing to fight.

    • 回复: @bike-anarkist
  165. last straw 说:
    @Rich

    The men who fought in the war don’t know what they’re talking about but you do? You have to be kidding me.

    Don’t be a simpleton. These men may well be lying to cover up their own cowardliness and incompetence. After all, “a bunch of Chinese mad men charged us” is a pretty convenient excuse, isn’t it?

    • 回复: @Rich
  166. @Joe Stalin

    You add nothing to this discourse except foolishness from quack YouTube accounts. Stay in the shallow end.

    • 同意: dogbumbreath, d dan
  167. Yea, I mean if a war with China is ahead, no better leader than President Joe Biden. I’m ready to volunteer immediately. I’ll die to make the world safe for Joe Biden’s crack smoking son Hunter.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
  168. @Charlie

    他们认为没有那么远。

    参见英国海盗在他们最大的军事胜利仅仅两年后就失去了他们的主要收入来源印度。

  169. Ron Unz 说:
    @MarkinLA

    错了,任何战争的主要问题是你能否在不摧毁自己的情况下摧毁敌人。 中国唯一的报复方式是洲际弹道导弹,也可能是潜射核导弹。 美国可能无法像战争啦啦队声称的那样对中国造成如此大的伤害,但美国可以用常规弹药攻击地球上几乎任何地方,而中国则不能。

    Well, there certainly seem to be quite a lot of anti-China “Patriotard” comments on this thread. I guess that’s what 福克斯新闻 is pushing these days. There’s an amusing aspect to this situation.

    My impression is that nearly all these commenters are white gentiles, many of them with a gung-ho military background. And as everyone knows, while they and their parents were waving their rifles and fulminating about the “dirty rotten foreign Commies” a group that represents only about 2% of the American population successfully seized control of their own country, and dispossessed them of all political power.

    最近,这种剥夺变得极其公然,因为纪念他们最伟大民族英雄的纪念碑和贡品被拆除和亵渎,拉什莫尔山可能计划在未来一两年内进行喷砂处理。

    Given the sheer stupidity in so many of these comments, it’s hardly surprising that such individuals lost control of their own country, nor that most of them aren’t even aware of what happened.

  170. Seraphim 说:
    @Rich

    America offered the rope with which to be strangled. But was it the first time? Lenin: ”The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them”.

  171. @Joe Paluka

    在中国古代,据说太监一英里外都能闻到,因为他们像筛子一样漏水,像小便池一样臭。 希望现在的美利坚帝国外科医生已经解决了这个问题。 哈哈 

  172. GammaRay 说:
    @Showmethereal

    And you are correct that China does usually fall into disarray. But that is usually after a few centuries – not decades. You should revise your calendar.

    its hilarious when china haters (usually americans) talk about how china periodically collapses every few centuries or so; the irony is that these people dont stop to think about the fact that the US itself is currently collapsing and its only been around for 243 years! the sheer lack of self-awareness of these types never ceases to amaze me

  173. Seraphim 说:
    @Rich

    So, the ‘defeated’ Vietnamese came begging for peace and the ‘victorious’ Americans gratefully handed them over the South Vietnam. That’s a bit ‘rich’, isn’t it?
    Wars are won when the objective of the war is achieved. Americans fought that South Vietnam not be occupied by the North. Occupation of South Vietnam was the objective of NV. North Vietnamese occupied South Vietnam, ergo they won the war. Americans failed to stop them, ergo Americans lost the war.

    • 同意: dfordoom, acementhead
    • 回复: @Rich
  174. Stonehands 说:
    @obwandiyag

    好评论。 有人充实了你关于米尔顿弗里德曼和“资本自由流动的优先权”的想法(在这个线程的某个地方)——该死的工人和同胞!

  175. JxA 说:

    Remember how Iran directly attacked America almost a year ago? Remember how American bases were blown up? Remember how America backed down like a bitch, did nothing, signaling impotency and weakness?

    This is the true face of America. This isn’t the 60s anymore. America is just hot air. It’s a golem the jews rode a little too hard making it a useless vehicle of world domination.

    That’s what covid and the great reset is about. The jews want to reconfigure America much like they did Russia in 1917, turning it into a genocidal military juggernaut. They want the same for America. Trump wasn’t lying about bringing those factories back, or using the military to administer those vaccines. War with China is still a bit off. Only once Americans are whiplashed into line, vaccinated, assimilated good goyim slaving in those factories sweatshop style can the great gog and magog battle begin resulting in a jewish messiah ascending to the world throne in jersusalem. At least that’s the plan. But judging by how the USSR worked out for jews, their chances aren’t looking good. I guess the Qur’an is right that evil people conspire and plan but that God is the supreme planner with other ideas.

    The lesson is, worship God, not g-d.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
  176. @GreatSocialist

    你应该意识到你是个彻头彻尾的白痴。
    而你已经脱离了主流。 Judenpresse 现在放弃对现在跛脚鸭总统特朗普的指责,并将责任推给林赛。
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ……..Pathetic game.

  177. Anonymous[373]• 免责声明 说:
    @another fred

    I am sure there are plenty of apologists around to argue against what I have said.

    Apologists? Honestly, no.

    Rational Actors? Yes.

    See, “cohesion” is not one of China’s problems, except when centuries of being powerful and wealthy lead them to fragment for a few decades, before inevitably regaining cohesion.

    That’s the pattern for around 4,000+ years.

    Who ever has thought up “cohesion” as China’s current vulnerability (perhaps some office-bound theorist in the State Department or armchair-type in the Pentagon) is mentally living in the early 20th century.

    The present “dynasty” is only 70 years old, so it’s way too soon to be focusing on that.

    Focus on other vulnerabilities instead, maybe.

    • 回复: @anon
  178. Smith 说:

    It is kinda weird to see people shilling for a US-China conflict, almost like predictive programming.

  179. Anonymous[373]• 免责声明 说:
    @Rich

    the US wiping out China, the Chinese destroying the West Coast

    Yeah, that’s what many out of touch people still believe.

    There’s no “the Chinese destroying the West Coast” anymore. That was in the ’90s – over 2 decades ago.

    Since then, the Chinese have built up an ICBM force of around 150 multi-warheaded missiles, almost all capable of reaching Florida or Maine. China is set to double its strategic missile force by 2030, to about 300 ICBMs – all road and rail-mobile and almost impossible to find and take out.

    For some reason, China focuses on huge, multi-megaton warheads, and so has fewer warheads than they could have.

    15 new ICBMs per year is a very relaxed build-up, meaning China isn’t expecting nuclear war. If they were, that build-up would speed up.

    (For comparison, the U.S. has some 4,500+ warheads).

    So, in a nuclear exchange, it would be MAD. 4,500 American warheads, answered by 1,000 or so Chinese – essentially annihilating BOTH nations. That makes some of us Americans feel bad, that China could do to us what we do to them. But we have to deal with it.

    That’s not alarmist or sensationalist – that’s just sheer mathematics.

    • 不同意: Rich
  180. GMC 说:
    @Quartermaster

    I lived and worked in Crimea starting in 2008 , then made Crimea my base camp in 2012. You better look up the city of Sevastopol and notice who has always owned it and who’s Navy/Marines, has always protected Crimea. I watched everything go down since 08 – even when the CIA boy Saakoshitvilli in Georgia started to shell So. Ossetia and the Russia peacekeepers. From 08 on, the Western media has propagandized the world against Crimea — and you drank the Kool Aid too. I’ll be honest tho – I really didn’t want to live in another super power like Russia or China , but the US pretty much pushed me and millions more into the arms of Russia. Which turned out better than the arms of the US/Nato / jews Neo Nazis in Ukraine . oo dah chee

  181. If the US really wage war on China, the entire West will end up as a Chinese protectorate.
    Amd maybe that’s a good perspective. No more “diversity”, no more deindustrialization, no more Islam.

  182. anon[471]• 免责声明 说:
    @joe tentpeg

    The Chinese have no ethnic connection to Native Americans. The Native Americas came from Siberia.

    Chinese in Vancouver regard First Nations as human refuse because of their poverty & social issues. They walk over them like roaches in British Columbia. They have zero interest in them.

    Chinese respect other high IQ groups like Jews & high-caste Indians except when interests conflict like in Singapore but everyone else is an unclean uncooked lower IQ barbarian. If it makes them money, as with Africa, the Chinese will deal with them.

    If pressed, East Asians would describe the Native Americans as their dumb cousins who left the land mass before the genetic bottleneck effect.

    Ainu are apparently linked to Native Americans & the Jomon people who became the Japanese came from China & killed as many as they could.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @joe tentpeg
  183. Wielgus 说:
    @MarkinLA

    The US/UN retreat was called “The Big Bug-Out”, heralded by a US discovery that “the Chinese are in the war and they’re behind us” – ie. they had outflanked the UN forces by the simple expedient of walking through the mountains during the night and were on the presumed escape route south. Such discoveries quite often caused UN units to disintegrate. Much is made of the “human wave” but when UN forces found there were Chinese roadblocks 背后 them, things became really interesting.

  184. Rich 说:
    @last straw

    Cowardice? You’ve proven yourself a fool. Many are still alive, you can’t get away with your commie nonsense yet.

    • 回复: @last straw
  185. L N 2 说:
    @unit472

    All correct but not on Sea Lion. The Germans gained air superiority but did not use it for the invasion because Hither wanted a peace agreement with the UK. He was an admirer of the English Empire and did not want to harm the royal rulers because they are of German descent.

  186. HeebHunter 说:

    Muttmerica will win a war against China alright.
    Morale and tech advantages are in such favors. What ca go wrong?
    To quote Anglin per say:

    Debbie Johnson is an unemployed secretary in Mobile, Alabama, struggles with obesity – but that’s the least of her worries. Last year, her husband, who had been struggling with substance abuse since he lost his job in the coal mine nearly a decade ago, committed suicide. They had been divorced since shortly after he lost his job, but they remained friends and losing him was hard. Six weeks ago, her son died of an opioid overdose. That was even harder. The one saving grace is that in recent months, her daughter’s OnlyFans account has exploded, which has helped her provide for Debbie. Debbie watches her two rowdy, fatherless black grandchildren, both of whom have been diagnosed with childhood obesity, while her daughter uses a dildo on her anus in front of a webcam for the fans. Last week, however, Debbie’s daughter lost subscribers to her OnlyFans after Somalians moved in the apartment next door. They can be heard yelling through the thin walls during the anal dildo sessions, which fans say “kills the mood.” Debbie wants to move, but that costs money, and most of her extra money goes into the oldest boy’s transition fund – the 9-year-old is transgender, and the operation to cut off his penis will cost thousands of dollars out of pocket.

    However, when Debbie is laying awake at night, she is able to put all of that out of her mind. The one thing she can’t put out of her mind is the Chinese Communist Party’s treatment of the Uighurs.

    “Sometimes I just cry and cry and cry, thinking about those poor Islamic men, being forced to pick cotton,” she said, tears welling up in her eyes. “Trump needs to do something. We have to do something. We can’t just let these Islamic men in China keep being forced to pick cotton without proper compensation.”

    “It’s so hot out there in that cotton field!”, she screamed. She then began smashing her head against the wall.

    Debbie’s experience is like that of hundreds of millions of Americans, who are deeply personally affected by the actions of the CCP.

    Unfortunately, Donald BLORMPF has continually refused to send the US military to invade China in order to liberate Moslems.

    He has been continually called out by this Ben Sasse, a TRVE conservative. Trump is a fake conservative, who doesn’t even know what it means to be a real conservative (hint: it means starting wars to help Islamic terrorists).

    TRVECON Sasse has also pointed out that FAKEcon BLORMPF has refused to send weapons to Antifa trying to burn down Hong Kong.

    Despite the fact that Trump refuses to address the problem, the human rights of Chinese Moslems remain the issue that Americans are more concerned about than any other.

    Sasse and others, such as Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio, many fellow true conservatives, have been attempting to force Trump to fulfill the will of the people and invade China

    .

    What moral and rightous cause! Sure these goyim will be whipped up into a frenzy just like 80 years ago.

    • 谢谢: Biff, annamaria
    • 回复: @Maowasayali
  187. Anonymous[661]• 免责声明 说:

    Good article. Fred makes a lot of common sense points here.

    I personally believe an actual shoot-out war with China is completely off the table simply because it violates the highest concern of American foreign policy which is summed up in the question: “Will this benefit the Jews?” And the answer to that question here is a resounding NO! as war with China would necessarily divert all the American munitions, troops and money the Israelis are already planning to use for their genocide of Iran, Syria and Turkey.

    • 同意: annamaria
  188. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    Is that why Vietnam is totally out of your influence now, that you “won” the war?
    You stupid mutts are hilarious. Bragging about “deafeating the nva” in major combat. An army of a people who had just liberated themselves and were two hundred years behind muttmerica due to degenerated royalty and subsequent colonialism.
    Yet they fucked you politically. Actively.

    Stupid, dumb, muttscum. I’m glad we are starting to get rid of you anglo filth in Europe.

  189. The USA and European people’s love affair with the Babylonian Woe is deeply destructive. The city of London has changed its business model. The destruction of western civilization was planned centuries ago. Christ warned us in his last public speech before he was arrested Mathew 23. Read the article, Buntings map and Israel on China’s new silk road, from the Times of Israel. A multicultural multiracial multireligious society is designed to collapse, everything is going as planned. Ethno Nationalism in the name of The Lord is the best solution. Separated but not divided, for the sake of all people’s of the world. We could do it. Each Nation must isolate the warmongers, secret societies and criminal’s within their Nation. Or perish. Happy Christmas 🎄

    • 谢谢: HeebHunter
  190. HeebHunter 说:
    @MarkinLA

    This retard is for real, lol.

    Amerimutts are insane. Their kike masters and glowniggers have been working overtime for a decade and they haven’t even found proper casus belli against China that even their controlled press can swallow and publish without massive backlash.

    And here we are. “Huwhite” “rightwing” amis pondering about how to create long lasting civilian casualties second only to WMDs in a WMDs war for “freedumb” and “democracy”. Against what is likely the single most powerful National Socialist fortress in the world. They couldn’t bully North Korea, they were humiliated in Iran, Syria, Irag, and the narco gas station state of Venezuela made them so embarrased all the saber rattling stopped. Yet they are now stirring the ami goyim against China?

    Can any mutt tell me why do they think a war with China will help their situation in any possible way? And how will you do anything when even a failed state like Venezuela kicked your ass?

  191. @Anonymous

    Yes its true. NATO did in Serbia as well. I just like pointing out hypocrisy for those who claim to be righteous amd others as evil. But none of that would be as catostrophic as proposing to destroy that damn (which would require a whole lot anyway since it was built with that in mind)… It just shows who the real brutes are.

  192. @willem1

    Many Southerners in the US would like to have the Confederacy too if it meant there wouldnt be another war.

  193. @last straw

    I would agree. Not just Taiwan itself. Just like the claim on the bonds there is a lot of duplicity. Back whem the Allies thought the PRC would crumble they made Japan sign their surrender to China after WW2 with the government in of the ROC in the Treaty of Taipei. They also recognized that in addition to taking Taiwan from China it also took the Paracel amd Spratly islands in the South China Sea. Somehow the Western Allies forgot that such a treaty took place (well really just the United States). So both have to go together. With formal recognition then yes I do believe they would easily be willing to pay the US back for the bonds the ROC owes… Its the height of hypocrisy to claim China bullies Taiwan and yet want China to pay bonds that Taiwan owes. Yet there are potentially millions of simple minded sheep who go along with such nonsense. Sad.

  194. Mike Tre 说:

    I guess Kiko has been getting stoned on Panama Red and reading old articles by Muh Saker. This USA vs. China and or Russia cock measuring is just masturbation without the mess. There will be no nuclear or conventional warfare between any of these governments. People in power tend to want to stay in power. Any of these government rulers stupid enough to initiate a war with either of the other governments merely assures the end of their access to power. They may as well take the one bullet they were given out of their breast pocket and use it on themselves.

    Somebody buy Kiko, muh Saker, and Sensefree Roberts a Risk boardgame for Christmas and they can blow bong hits into their pets’ faces in between turns.

    • 回复: @Escher
  195. Alfred 说:
    @unit472

    for that base Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US and not even China recognizes the ‘conquest.

    What goodwill? You must be joking.

    The UK is nowhere near Russia but they are constantly trying to foment problems for Russia with their stupid stories – Skripals, Navalny, Novochok, White Helmet.

    The US moved its NATO troops to the edge of the Russian border – they would have done that anyway.

    The lies by Obama about the anti-missile missiles being along the Russian border to protect Europe from Iranian missiles is beyond the ridiculous – and it preceded the putsch in Ukraine.

    Russia did the correct thing. They let go of Ukraine so that Germany and the US can demonstrate to the Ukrainian people that all their promises were lies. Most products in Ukraine’s supermarkets are either from the EU or made by foreign-owned companies. The biggest chain of supermarkets in Ukraine is French Auchan. Absolutely nothing in EU supermarkets come from Ukraine.

    The biggest export of Ukraine is cheap labour. Instead of exporting processed food, the workers are sent to Poland, Germany and so on to do the work there.

    Here is the Kyiv Post going orgasmic about the wonders of leaving your country, family and kids behind to work abroad.

    Lured by conditions abroad, Ukrainian workers won’t stay home after quarantine eases

    • 同意: annamaria
  196. theMann 说:
    @Buck Ransom

    The first intelligent question anyone has asked!

    Imagine how WWII would have gone if the Soviet Union weren’t our “ally”, seeing as how our entire Government was riddled with Comsymps at best, and people totally loyal to the Soviets at worst.

    In any case, the Chinese government has bigger problems than a fight with the USA – Japan, India, Taiwan, and Vietnam hate their guts, and they can hardly depend on Russian or Pakistani neutrality. From China’s point of view, surrounded by potential enemies, they really would rather opt for binding countries up in trade, combined with massive spying.

    Of course , there are two wild cards – China’s extreme Racist Xenophobia, and Anerica’s colossal Hubris.

    Given the collective mass hysteria/suicide impulse CoronaFraud has revealed, I wouldn’t make predictions about any bodies war plans.

  197. ANONymous[277]• 免责声明 说:
    @Just another serf

    忘记中国。
    First lets straighten out our business with the terrorist nest of israel and then we will see who else is our enemy. BUT FIRST look at israel. ENEMY no: ONE

  198. @last straw

    Frankly, sometimes I wonder if the best thing for the USA would not be that we lose in a spectacular, stunning, and catastrophic way that forced us to re-examine ourselves and hopefully culled the rotten ruling class.

    We’ve lost (whether by design or incompetence) every notable engagement we have been in by all measures but our own self-congratulations. Even the Afghans have essentially defeated us, by no small measure through assistance of our own self-defeat that started with the original failure not to recognize that only fools invade Afghanistan. What is really the likelihood that we could take on a real military that has been studying and operating and waging war against us in a way that we are not even able to understand? They have essentially almost totally conquered us without even firing a single shot and of Biden is seated by the cucked ruling class, it’s all but official that we are a vassal state of China. We may as well hold an official ceremony that declares the USA dead and the constitution nullified.

    But the Chinese seem to have also come to understand something, that they can use the Jewish, who have always relied on their ability to blend into western society, in order to weaponize the Jewish proclivity to subvert and undermine and stab Europeans in the back out of pure greed and malice.

    All they did was lure the Jewish with money and use them as the weapons of mass psychological and social destruction that they are. Ironically it seems the Jewish don’t get that when they have accomplished their goal of deracinating and polluting Europeans into eradication, that they will stand out like sore thumbs among the brown masses and will have no ability to blend into Chinese power structures the way they did with Europeans. There is no “hello, fellow Chinese person” as a Jew, at least not without destroying and polluting their own identity and genetics. But even then, those typical Jewish features in Chinese people will stand out quite a bit, figuratively and literally.

    One refreshing thing from that recent video of the professional speaking frankly was his discussion of the Jewish subversive he worked with and that the U.S. media totally ignored. He was clearly speaking with an understanding of what she and Jews are. I wish the Chinese all the luck they can get to understand that they need to never trust any Jews and always assume everything they are doing is to further their own ends. Jewish people know no magnanimity, zero, to anyone but their own. They will try the same tricks they used on Europeans you totally decimated our societies, but I hope the Chinese can resist their evil and parasitic ways.

    • 回复: @Sick of Orcs
    , @annamaria
  199. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    Those same “men” are the same pieces of shit who prevented the Holohoax from being exposed and bussed in blacks to your schools at gunpoint.
    I don’t see why they couldn’t have been liars.

  200. Rich 说:
    @Ron Unz

    The President of the United States is a White gentile. 5 of the USSC justices are White gentiles. Both the leader of the Senate and the House are White gentiles as are the overwhelming majority of Congress members. Almost every state governor is a White gentile. White gentiles fill almost all of the US military officer corps, as well as most police and emergency personnel as well as other city and state government jobs. White gentiles run the overwhelming number businesses in the country. Most White gentiles get along well with their non-gentile White neighbors, too and don’t begrudge them their success. TPTB, both the 2% and the gentiles, seek diversity because it keeps the proles divided and wages down. To them, everyone is a coolie, but they’ve got their crosses to carry, too. Most White gentiles, most human beings, aren’t willing to work 7 day weeks, 16 hour days, sacrificing their families for the almighty dollar. Usually, you have to serve Mammon to get rewarded by him.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Stonehands
  201. ANONymous[277]• 免责声明 说:
    @joe2.5

    Sure we did.
    We send Biden with Hunter and his daughters

  202. @another fred

    Ironically, it is precisely why I suspect the “war” will continue being fought exactly as the war has been fought right under our noses going on for at the very least 90 years, through subversion and psychological warfare. The battlefield that has been getting ever more apparent is one bit of “cyber” as the fools call it but rather of the metaphysical nature, psychological warfare that creates and expands internal fissures that will weaken the adversary. It is precisely what we have been attempting, albeit too far less successful ends than the Chinese and the whole international cabal has been against the USA and all of the west/Europeans.

    It’s not even close, our social cohesion has have been utterly decimated Land that’s a direct function prerequisite to any strength. The single greatest weak point is our total reliance on importing “talent” and bodies from foreign countries, essentially our rotten ruling class thinking it can just replace the populace it ruined, drained, and destroyed with temp workers and everything will be the same.

    If the world wanted to make serious headway against America and possibly Drive the final nail in the coffin while also helping themselves, they would band together to prevent emigration to the USA and Europe for that matter. Immigration is like the blood supply of the vampire squid. It needs it, it lives off its poisonous supply that contains its own demise, even as it cannot resist feeding on it. There will surely come a point where countries will realize they’re giving away their best assets, the highest quality people.

    Even worse for the vampire squid America would be if countries were successful in convincing immigrants that they should return to their homelands in order to build their own countries and people up, maybe by something like giving them status or even lands. I guarantee it would cause a massive panic attack in the vampire squid, because the American (and even European) ruling class has been so neglectful and abusive towards its own people that generating the needed capacity through the hard work of education and internal social leadership would take decades to compensate for siphoning it off from foreign countries.

    • 回复: @BlackFlag
  203. Zumbuddi 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Most obvious pattern

    Why did Fred fail to notice?

  204. Anonymous[381]• 免责声明 说:

    Red China has no chance against US military except at home. No China invasion would likely succeed or be worth it. They cannot conquer Taiwan for the foreseeable future. Napoleon and Hitler could not cross 30 miles of English channel despite overwhelming success everywhere else. Look at the scale of D Day to cross only 30 miles with total air and water superiority over Nazis. It’s very hard to cross water in an invasion and it’s 100 miles to Taiwan. They would never arrive and they know it.

    • 回复: @SeekerofthePresence
  205. Chinaman 说:
    @Anon

    You are a dumbass..

    You don’t expect us to tell you every thing about our capabilities like stupid Americans like to do right?

    I believe we have 30 thermonuclear weapons.. Hydrogen bombs are 100-1000 times more powerful than nuclear bombs.

    One of these bad motherfuckers on yellow stone park ( which sits on a super volcano) and everyone in America dies.

    We have a nuclear winter too so that’s what MAD is about.

  206. @theMann

    You are making an extreme mistake by assuming that racism and xenophobia are not only wildcards, but an implied weakness. It surely comes from the decades of Jewish propaganda to subvert European identity and unity to make their divide and conquer strategy work a lot better, but you really should try not to fall into those kinds of psychological manipulation traps.

    You should try realizing that any all of the various “phobia” terms are all psychological manipulation and abuse, manipulating the western wie make self image of not being afraid of anything to trick them with a slight of hand to allow degeneracy to wash over them. You’re not an invading-horde-phobe, are you, bigot?! .… a setting insult that manipulates the opened weakness of insecurity about ones self image of being fearless.

    The point being is that a cuck has no ability to make any accurate assessment of whether being “racist” and “xenophobic”, terms that are now little more than Pavlovian whistles to put whites into a state of submission and inferiority. The “racism” and “xenophobia” that is actually a strength of the Chinese as it will guard them against the very kind of foreign subversion by Jews that has decimated all of western society to the point that it is a Jew worship cult serving the Jews as demigods that cannot even be looked in the eyes, let alone criticized.

    • 回复: @theMann
  207. Zumbuddi 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    Read Press’s post again.

    Is Jake Tapper Chinese?

    How about Wolf Blitzer?

    Bill Gertz is cornering air time blaming the Chinese.

    Propaganda outlets are not manned by Chinese

  208. Anonymous[373]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    There is probably some (distant and tenuous) ethnic connection among ancient Siberian groups, talking here about the pre-Ice Age.

    East Asians (the Han, Mongols, Manchu, Japanese, Koreans, Tibetans), Central Asians (Turkics etc), certain groups now in Europe (Scandinavians, Germanics, Slavs), and Native Amerindians (North and South) – the distant 祖先 of all these groups were originally from Siberia, east of the Urals. Emphasis on “ancestors”, not the above groups per se, all of whom belong to recorded history.

    (Sidenote: Proto-Celts were probably native ancient European stock, who mixed in with the newcomers to create the historical Celts).

    The Siberian branches that went to Europe also encountered Indo-Aryans coming north from Persia, and the proto-East Asians also mixed in with both Neanderthal and Denisovan peoples before getting to where they are now.

    I relate this all in a value-neutral way, nothing to do with any agenda – just based on layman readings of human genetic history.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  209. Montefrío 说:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Heartily agree! Learn Spanish or Portuguese first though. My son (40), an engineer, joined me in Latin America eleven years ago and has proven quite successful with his water well drilling business in spite of the punitive taxes and intractable bureucracy.

    You are correct: racial prejudice against whites barely exists among mestizos, a very pleasant charcterisitc indeed. And while there are feminists, they’re generally confined to the cities. A good number of rural women are very traditional, very feminine.

    A sense of adventure is obligatory, but with that and the language… Go south, young man!

  210. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    Does this term “huwhite gentiles” extend to North Africans and Middle Easterners too, like what the fed papers say?

  211. theMann 说:
    @Frank frank

    Yes, Chinese racism and xenophobia is such a strength that it has allowed them to tear their country apart several times just since the 1850’s.

    Not to mention that their Xenophobia repeatedly has led them to overestimating their own abilities and underestimating their opponents.

    Hysteria is never a good thing. I imagine much of the world will find that out in the upcoming year.

  212. Miro23 说:
    @Anon

    Following that interesting link. The actual (as opposed to psychological) effect of using nuclear weapons suggests that cities and industry would be the main targets (other than military installations).

    Despite the massive destruction, the map seems to show that most of the rural areas of the US /China would be relatively unaffected. I may be wrong, but wouldn’t life go on with the US and China converted for a time into rural countries without industry or large cities?

    In other words, the US functioning without New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose, Austin, Jacksonville, Forth Worth, Columbus, Charlotte, San Francisco, Indianapolis, Seattle, Denver, Washington, Boston, El Paso – which would almost certainly be hit (only requiring 30 or so warheads).

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  213. Rahan 说:

    The “millions of commie spies infiltrated everything” narrative really kicked off the last couple of days.

  214. 他们试图用谷歌统治或控制中国,但他们有百度。
    没用
    他们试图用私人银行来腐蚀胡锦涛时代的红色王子,就像在 19 世纪的欧洲所做的那样。
    没用
    他们不能只是以快速的借口轰炸北京。 中国有核武器。。
    这行不通
    他们试图与 ouigurs 一起煽动一场革命,就像他们对每一个试图抵抗他们的人所做的那样
    没用

    所以最后一个选择是细菌学的

  215. Anonymous[177]• 免责声明 说:
    @theMann

    Quite frankly, ‘Japan, India, Taiwan and Vietnam’ collectively aren’t even worth a damn as far as China’s war machine is concerned.

    Minus Japan all of those nations aren’t worth a damn strategically. They’re just merely padding and place holders.

  216. Chinaman 说:
    @Ron Unz

    It took the British years to mount an attack on the Ruhr dams. It would only take a couple of hours for US forces to hit the Three Gorges dam.

    This is dumb. Why would you care about civilian casualties and being an “international pariah” if you were in a war as big as one with China would be

    Would you consider the insouciance and callousness towards millions of Chinese lives an expression of innate genocidal tendencies or is this just some wet dream of very disturbed and psychotic individuals?

    As you know, America intentionally bombed dams and civilian targets in North Korea that lead to the death of 25% of NK population during the Korea War. Would you consider that a genocide or was General MacArthur just a very disturbed individual like these commenters here?

    Just asking..

  217. Anonymous[177]• 免责声明 说:
    @theMann

    “China’s racist xenophobia”.

    Ie, the Chinese fully *知道* who they are, and who they are not – you can’t say that about the world’s stupid white bastards anymore – also, they know their own interests, capabilities and potential, and know that these should serve the ethnic Chinese and the ethnic Chinese only. Again, the polar opposite of today’s stupid white bastards.

  218. If we are war with China, where will we get the medical supplies for the injured? How about the little parts for the military equipment? Are things like washers and bolts even made in the USA anymore? Also who is going to fight in this war? Americans haven’t been doing the child birthing thing for awhile now, but school shrinks have been pushing the meds. I guess we could use immigrant brats. However how many of them are from countries we’ve blown up, and the CIA brings the “refugees” in to have a pool of potential assets?

    We really need to shutdown the military, and decommission the weapons. It’s time. Our dear leaders have no one to blame but themselves. But on the bright side, they all have mega funds somewhere offshore.

    • 回复: @Rahan
  219. @Anonymous

    It’s very hard to cross water in an invasion and it’s 100 miles to Taiwan.

    At the rate China is building up its naval, amphibious, airlift, and missile forces, they will surmount the 100 miles. The Chinese plan decades ahead with relentless, focused determination. Unfortunately, the time will come.

    It might even be provoked by an overreaching, interventionist administration, such as is currently taking shape in the new cabinet. It is being loaded with neocon warmongers who take after John McCain, “We are all Taiwanese now.”

    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  220. KenH 说:

    If war were to break out within the next two years the U.S. could inflict a great deal of damage on the Chinese military but not necessarily win. The U.S. military is quickly running out of white males and whether anyone likes it or not it’s only white males who can fight and win U.S. wars.

    A war with China really isn’t winnable so it should be avoided. Both sides would destroy a bunch of stuff but nobody would win.

    White males should boycott the U.S. military since they are serving a nation and institution that hates them with demonic passion and are used as beasts of burden for Israel.

    • 回复: @USA1943
  221. @MarkinLA

    It is true that the majority of writers at Unz who venture into things military are stuck in cognitive ruts that make their China analysis into a form of anti-knowledge (i.e.: worse than not knowing something, is thinking you know something when you don’t). So we see where it comes to economics, politics and education the high-literary/low-numeracy IQ feature of “their sh*t don’t smell” and the concomitant superhumanization of the Other, and we see in things military an unstated 先验 that surface combatants will matter to a future great-powers war with all the corollaries that follow (all errors), i.e.: Chinese missiles matter, etc. We see the perfectly silly idea that a war will break out over Taiwan over and over again. Here they’re really giving it away. War may break out, but it will be over a misstep in the South China Sea or a border conflict, probably with India. Unz wastes precious digital real estate on writers speculating about a war over Taiwan that will never happen.

    That said: you are incorrect that China can’t reach the US. You are correct that that basic calculus of the war should be understood through the prism of where the war will be fought, which will be Chinese waters and the Chinese coast, and not the Pacific coast or American waters, and this knowledge – known most of all to Chinese Generals, should be the starting point of any analysis – and where it comes to all conventional forms of warfare this sets the stage for a war that will be devastating to China if and when it ever happens. Much of China will be left smoldering ruins. Her ports will be unusable, her roads unusable, her pipelines wrecked, her navy and merchant marine sunk and her air force leveled. All of that is a given.

    But … where you get it wrong is that unlike the Afghani, Yemeni and Arab peasants we have been picking fights with for the last three decades, China can, and will, hit back. You can be sure that this is the fundamental principle governing a Chinese military planner’s thinking: “I know I cannot stop an overwhelming American attack, but I will rot in hell before the Americans do not take it in the eye – do not 失去 an eye, on their home turf, if they fight with China.”

    And we can’t stop that from happening. I’ll give one example. Last year, two times in 2019, drones were spotted flying in the restricted zone over Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station. The media was pretty mute about this – you can be sure these were foreign drones and the smart money is they were Chinese.

    If we fight China, China already knows how it will hit us. They will hit us to save face, and they will hit us hard. They can’t win, but they can hit very, very hard, and they will.

  222. Rurik 说:
    @unit472

    Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US

    the stupidest thing ever written on Unz. Wow. Well done!

    and not even China recognizes the ‘conquest.

    https://thediplomat.com/2014/03/why-did-brics-back-russia-on-crimea/

    as for war with China, I’d expect that it would be fought by computers, taking out satellites in the first few seconds of the war. Shutting down grids and so forth.

    Someone mentioned parts for Boeing airliners, but I’d expect on the first day, for a handful of Chinese agents (or their sympathizers, and the ZUS has created untold billions of people around the world, not to mention American citizens themselves, who consider the ZUS government as the enemy of freedom, dignity and mankind) to take out several airliners in a comprehensive, well-coordinated attack; thereby shutting down all commercial airline traffic, in one fell swop.

    Russia, Iran, the Bricks nations, (as mentioned in the article), not to mention hundreds of millions of decent, ordinary people the world over, (including millions of Americans) would love nothing more than to see the ZUS fiend (international banksters and their congressional, corporate, and Pentagon whores), blasted from the world’s stage once and for all.

    This entire planet would heave a massive sigh of great relief on the day the zio-Anglo menace was finally put down like the rabid dog it is.

    Who today would actually fight and die on behalf of Kamala’s ZUSA? Eh?

    Transgenders and El Salvadorian conscripts promised citizenship that they can get simply by walking over the border.

    America today, as it’s manifested by our fecal government and State Dept. and Pentagon, is more hated than I suspect any rogue nation has ever been in our lifetimes. With the possible exception of Israel, which really is the same thing as the ZUSA today.

    There’s no daylight between them, as they’re so proud to insist.

    So asking a young, white American man to fight for the ZUSA, would be like asking a young, Arab, Palestinian to join the IDF, so that Israel can ‘defend’ herself.

    If there is to be war, it should be fought by virtually every single decent human being on the planet, (Chinese, Russian, European, 和美国人) vs. the zio-fiend and its minions.

    Hey Max Boot and Billy Kristol and Nuland and Mitt and Marco and Rich and Unit472, and the Squad, and Maxine and Debra Messing… Here’s your rifle and parachute (h/t wrh) and go get em!

    Go teach those Chinese a thing or two about transgender, BLM, womyn studies power!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/07/10/take-down-rushmore-presidents-my-great-grandfather-carved-column/5401088002/

  223. “Fret”总是在讲述他的故事时不点名 DaCulprits。 这不是大五角大楼! 他们是……大佑和他打架的傀儡。
    实际上——我们都是!

  224. David Goldman has covered this ground in his book “You will be Assimilated”. There will be no war with China. We cannot win against China and China doesn’t want it. Any war with China would see our defeat (and destruction of whatever Naval forces in the Western Pacific) within a day and the war would be over, unless someone on our side was psychotic enough to go nuclear (who knows with Washington D.C.).

    • 回复: @Showmethereal
  225. anon[238]• 免责声明 说:
    @GreatSocialist

    暴徒腐败无赖,把杀人犯追根究底。

    “Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) first announced in July that U.S.-backed, Kurdish-led forces had granted an American company a deal to “to modernize the oil fields” in areas of northeastern Syria guarded by U.S. troops.
    特使乔尔·雷伯恩 (Joel Rayburn) 在周三的众议院外交事务委员会听证会上证实,该公司是 Delta Crescent Energy,这是一家鲜为人知的公司,由几位为共和党事业捐款的人共同创立,包括格雷厄姆自己的竞选活动。
    雷伯恩还承认,特朗普政府实际上是在推动 Delta Crescent Energy——而不是其他公司——获得开采叙利亚石油的许可。

    “根据美国对叙利亚的经济制裁,美国人目前被禁止与叙利亚石油交易,而 Delta Crescent Energy 是已知的唯一一家获得美国财政部制裁豁免的公司。

    Delta Crescent Energy 由美国陆军三角洲部队老兵 James Reese、前外交官 James Cain 和前海湾沙石油公司执行官 John P. Dorrier Jr. 创立。该公司与共和党圈和美国军方都有良好的联系。


    该隐 .. 2003 年至 2005 年在共和党全国委员会任职。
    Dorrier has donated to Republican causes …

    里斯现在经营着一家名为 TigerSwan 的有争议的私人保安公司。

    TigerSwan .. 卷入了宾夕法尼亚州的一项涉嫌贿赂计划,尽管它否认所有不当行为。

    TigerSwan 也一直活跃在叙利亚,帮助保护美国支持的 Raqqa 市的排雷行动,
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/12/09/trump-administration-helped-gop-donors-get-syria-oil-deal/

  226. anon[280]• 免责声明 说:
    @last straw

    Proceedings recently asked several frequent contributors how the next conflict might start. This essay is the first in the series.

    By Admiral James A. Winnefeld, U.S. Navy (Retired), and Michael J. Morell

    https://stationhypo.com/2020/08/23/the-war-that-never-was/

  227. Sun Tze said, “To win a hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue your enemy’s armies without battle is the acme of skill.”

    All that China needs to do is to grow:

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/us-and-china-in-new-biden-era/

    • 回复: @Rurik
  228. Joe Stalin 说:
    @d dan

    Think Mr. PRC man how pathetic PRC is when they follow around men driving around a country to harass him. And you think that is so great for China.

    [更多]

    Look how pathetic it is that some Chinese person has to build this in a foreign country.

    • 巨魔: d dan, Showmethereal, dogbumbreath
  229. EugeneGur 说:
    @unit472

    Putin did take Crimea back and cause Ukraine to lose sovereignty over the Don Bass but at what cost.

    Yes, there was a cost – there is always a cost when a country responds to a foreign aggression. There is no doubt that foreign aggression happened in Ukraine – aggression of the West, specifically US and Germany, not so much against Ukraine as against Russia, although Ukraine has been destroyed in the process. There is a popular song in Russia referring to WWII:
    All we need is a victory
    One for all of us,
    And we will not mind the cost.

    Its not as if the Ukrainian navy was going to sally forth out of Crimea and challenge Russian control of the Black Sea

    The Ukrainians – no, the Americans – yes. They are doing this right now – trying to challenge the Russian control of the Black Sea. Only now they have to do it from a disadvantageous position, for they don’t have Crimea.

    Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US

    Like there ever was a goodwill! If what existed in the 1990s qualifies as good will, we are a hell of a lot better off without it. Experience shows it’s much safer to be an enemy of the US than to be its friend.

  230. @Daddio7

    中国可以没有我们(美国)吗? 他们的人民能否在没有我们和其他国家进口的食物的情况下吃饱? 我们不需要占用他们的土地,只需要阻止他们的食物进口。

    没有中国市场,美国农民能否生存?

    中国不像德国那样可能并且被封锁到饥饿和投降。 毫无疑问,俄罗斯将能够或可能很快变得能够并愿意养活中国。

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  231. Poco 说:
    @Anonymous

    Little old Chinese women are especially nasty pieces of work.

  232. anonymous[129]• 免责声明 说:
    @Just another serf

    The major factor driving US business abroad and encouraging nothing but foreign suppliers is the state inventory tax. No one talks about it except libertarians.

    I think they’re right. Every CEO I’ve talked to say state taxes like those are a major factor, not low wages or federal policies so much.

    • 回复: @mike99588
    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
  233. U.S. war with China?

    Remember what Mike Tyson said, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

    • 同意: Showmethereal
    • 哈哈: Hillbob
  234. Poco 说:
    @Realist

    Many rural chinese are as stupid as negros.

    • 回复: @Realist
    , @Brian Damage
  235. @anon

    如果你这么说。

    You don’t have to convince me.

    Now… if’n ya can just get the former Chinese Defence Minister…and his allies to buy in to your argument on the true relation of the Chinese to American Indians.

    祝你好运。

  236. USA1943 说:
    @KenH

    But all of my teachers, all the people on TV and Politicians always say Diversity is our greatest strength and when that is said in a political debate it is NEVER refuted, what you wrote made it sound like you think diversity is a weakness, and what you wrote made it sound like White Males are the strength, but everyone seems to celebrate the less number of White Male (Straight) in any field, Including Whites.

    Joe Biden said on his first day, he will allow Trans people back in to the Military, This is great news as Tim Kennedy a UFC Fighter and Formerly in the Special Forces said They are having problems getting people qualified for Special Forces, So by letting Trans People in it will expand the talent pool and make it easy to fill the Special Forces spots.

  237. Trump born in 46, first of the boomer.

    Biden, born in 42, last of the pre-boomers.

  238. anon[116]• 免责声明 说:

    当美国/五眼联盟将中国称为新的“威胁”时,我总是不得不笑。 中国在其整个历史上从未入侵过另一个国家,除了轻微的边境冲突。 反过来,中国也多次遭到外国列强的侵略。 与此同时,福库斯以在千里之外的家乡进行军事干预而闻名。 而这些人,就是在“警告”世界,防范中国的军事入侵?

    正如美国保守党昨天的一篇文章指出的那样,中国没有从我们这里拿走任何东西,我们很高兴地给了他们。 我们的公司高兴地在虚线上签字,放弃我们的技术,以进入他们的廉价劳动力和广阔的市场。 现在这些贪吃的猪都哭了,因为中国人不是傻子,听他们说的,好笑。

    正如塞缪尔·亨廷顿 (Samuel Huntington) 告诉我们的那样,每个国家都需要一个外部敌人来团结人民。 中国是当今左派和右派都能达成共识的新敌人,非常荣幸。 我个人希望这种情况能保持下去,这样我们就可以加速脱钩。 这将迫使中国变得更加自给自足,而美国继续愚蠢地将所有生产转移到越南和其他更便宜的国家而不是将其带回家,并继续进口数百万印度骗子以帮助大型科技公司将我们变成下一个印度,即人类的下水道,华尔街才能“最大化股东价值”。

    西方特别是。 五眼是堕落得无法救赎。 世界需要一个不是由 (((depraved))) 运行的替代方案。 中国-伊朗-俄罗斯可以挽救它,尤其是。 如果德国和意大利聪明起来并加入他们。 SKorea 和日本已经跳槽了。

    • 同意: nokangaroos, Stonehands
  239. Rurik 说:
    @Deep Thought

    To subdue your enemy’s armies without battle is the acme of skill.”

    looking at that photo at the top, the ‘Chinese wrecking ball’ isn’t even necessary for the U.S. to shatter into broken shards.

    That’s happening all on it’s own.

  240. anno nimus 说:

    Fredy, NATO needs to move closer to Russia but not in the way it’s happening, to maintain balance of forces vis-à-vis the Rising China.
    Will “judeo-chr.” civilization mean anything when we need it most?
    concerning the six loons, Israel Shamir had practical ideas: arrest and send them to Oregon to chop woods.

  241. Chinaman 说:

    Did anyone bother to ask the most fundamental question?

    Why does the US NEED to fight a war with China? How will the US (especially the commenters here) benefit from such a war?

    The Chinese will definitely benefit from it but how does the bottom 90% of Americans benefit?

    It seems like everyone here is so eager to fight China. America is already at the top, the only way is down…why jeopardize that?

    • 回复: @dogbumbreath
    , @mark green
  242. @unit472

    Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US

    The EU, US (and let’s not forget NATO) have done nothing but badmouth, provoke, agitate against and lie to Russia from the moment the USSR collapsed. Their “goodwill” exists only in your imagination.

    • 同意: acementhead
  243. Relax, everyone. #TheCreep is owned/controlled by red china so there will be no war.

    Only Tara Reade has reason to fear.

  244. Realist 说:
    @Poco

    Many rural chinese are as stupid as negros.

    Many American Whites are very stupid. Your comment has no relevance.

  245. @Notsofast

    Well, it’s clear they thought that having the Russians and Germans kill each other in vast swaths was OK.

    But on the other hand, all the Allied Generals on the London cocktail circuit, along with Churchill, were scared shitless about invading Europe against what was still, at the time, the most professional well run combat tested military in the history of Europe.

    Churchill always considered Dieppe a dry run, and that turned out swimmingly, as we might recall. The anxiety level was off the charts.

    So it was all about massing a huge force, working like crazy on supply and logistics challenges for 100,000 men across a very turbulent body of water, and figuring out exactly WHEN to do it so if you DID get across more or less intact, you actually had a reasonably long campaigning season.

    And all of that without a single Excel spreadsheet.

    • 回复: @Fred777
  246. Rdm 说:

    It is not a good idea to let children play with matches.

    Fred, you’re right about that.

    Though I haven’t checked, it is quite possible that the computers themselves are made in China.

    No, it’s Assembled in China. It’s a huge difference.

    Made in China is for your panty.
    Assembled in China is for your pleasure.

    Within weeks, Walmart’s shelves go bare. Walk down the aisles and read the “Made in” labels.

    Then we’d go commando. No more panty.

    The United States is already in serious trouble, what with a currency rapidly being debased, a sinking middle class, businesses dying of Covid, jobs disappearing abroad, people living paycheck to paycheck, and social unhappiness resulting in continent-wide riots. Do you suppose the public will gladly support an unfathomably stupid war causing an instant, profound, and murderous economic depression? If so, you probably already have a collection of bridges.

    That’s why we need Humanity First.

  247. Escher 说:
    @Mike Tre

    WW1 was also not desired by any of the major participants, but it happened anyway.
    There’s plenty of ways a minor confrontation could escalate. Hope and pray that doesn’t happen.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  248. Wild Man 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz, ….. OK …. if warfare can occur on many fronts of human endeavor (including attempted psychological indoctrination of the populace as you have alluded to in your comment, as has occurred in the west, particularly in the U.S.), and both the populaces of China and the U.S. are subject to this psychological warfare (as controlled by the CCP in China and the Zionists in the U.S.) ….. what says you about the qualities of the interface between these two differing control factions (CCP in China and Zionism in the west)?

    Do both have globalist aspirations or not?

    Do each see the other as adversaries?, or as allies by way of who or what they each choose to defeat? (i.e. – the common enemy among each of these controlling influences would be ‘free-thinking’ among subjects)?

    If the sentiment among these two controlling influences is that they are less so adversarial (at least in the medium term), and more-so allies both in the business of limiting ‘free-thinking’ among subjects, ….. this begs the questions …… does each of these controlling influences see their subjects as more or less the same (more-so in terms of human nature instead of tribal or ethnic nature), so that similar psychological warfare strategies could obtain similar results within the different jurisdictions? If so, then does each of the controlling influences see themselves as long-term allies as well (i.e. – after the psychological warfare visited upon their respective populaces has won the day, which seems more likely by the hour in each of these jurisdictions, ….. will this then lead to long-term ally-ship at the global level, among the two controlling influences, ….. the rationale here being that if each of the two controlling influences see their respective subjects as similar (i.e. – both subject to human nature more-so than tribal or ethnic nature), then do they therefore also see themselves (the two controlling influences) as similar in the same way?

    Look – despite Steve Bannon’s shtick, with respect to China, I don’t think we actually know enough about the CCP to know the answers to these questions. Except we do at least know, theoretically, that by way of Marxism, ….. in the end the ideology doesn’t work unless the whole world is converted (as Marx himself recognized). So ….. communists, you would think, are globalists …… but who really knowings when it comes to China, because their system is hybrid (and not true communism). Perhaps the brand of social organization that China has hit upon in the modern era is in keeping with idiosyncrasies of Chinese ethnicity, and as such, is not in fact globalist in aspiration? That is still an open question I think. What the issue here is, I think, is that we do not have a proper description of the Chinese hybrid system of social organization. We need to do much better at sorting that out, in the west. Everybody in the west still seem to be in the business of blowing smoke, to serve other narrower agendas, when it comes to descriptions of China.

    However when it comes to Zionist influence over western subjects, ….. it is pretty clear that this group is actually globalist through and through, and seek domination for domination-sake – i.e – not as means to an ends towards a future whereby there may be better outcomes for more people, but domination of one group (Zionists, the associated oligarchs, and the upper echelons of the technocratic set, that all work hand-in-hand to maintain and grow this domination), because said global domination is their ultimate goal.

    So here is the deal as I see it. The west has been subverted by this Zionist influence, and by way of western hard power (particularly within the U.S.) the Zionists seek to dominate the whole world, by way of controlling the hard power of the hegemon. West is no longer true west (for many decades now). True west is about promotion of the ascendancy of the ‘responsible individual’ within social orderings. As such, when it comes to global outcomes, true westernism does seek an internationalism, but not a globalism borne of a wish for global control, but instead an internationalism borne of a wish for a international consensus, to be achieved by way of instead seeking to export western mindset to the rest of the world, as the superior system (in terms of better outcomes for more people) if the people in other jurisdictions are willing (and why wouldn’t then be?, but here is the rub ….. no one else can decide for them).

    Look – given all this, I just can’t see how China is the near-term danger to true westernism that many make it out to be. We just don’t know. Not enough is known. But this Zionism (Zionists, the associated oligarchs, and the upper echelons of the technocratic set, that all work hand-in-hand to maintain and grow this domination)? Enough is already known. The sentiment here within this Zionism is global domination for domination-sake. We know this to be the case because this group has mercilessly gas-lit the populace to achieve their ends (lying by way of controlling information so that only half the truth is ever revealed to the populace). If you lie like this to your subjects, … you do not respect them …. which sets up the psychic condition whereby domination for d0mination- sake is possible and probable (this type of domination requires contempt for supposed underlings). Does CCP disrespect their subjects, their populace, and as such seek to dominate as motivated by contempt? Steve Bannon seems to thinks so. He hasn’t convinced me of that yet.

    OK – if you are with me so far, ….. then …. what is job 1 for the U.S. and the west? To throw off the globalist perversion that has been visited upon true westernism by the enemies within – no? If the west was to achieve this, we may end up finding out that China, as controlled by the CCP, is much more ally-worthy than we are currently led to believe.

    Look – I believe that waking up to the realities of a multi-polar world is the way forward for humanity. Each of the various poles both competing and cooperating within a fair-minded international framework as spelled out by the dictates of true westernism. There is not good evidence that the rest of the word disagrees with this viewpoint. But what is clear is that within the subverted west, there are subversive Zionist elements that hate that conception of the future … instead seek a uni-polar world, with subverted west (the hegemon) ruling, as controlled by the hegemon’s psychic faculties (which faculties have been parasitically taken over by this Zionist influence).

    Mr. Unz ….. you are very cerebral and you have done a great job on creating a space for ‘free-thinking’ here on this website. So, I suppose you do get it, …. you do understand true westernism. That is my current assumption about you. I would really like to hear your thoughts as to whether, from the birdseye perspective, you see things differently than what I speed out here in this comment.

    • 回复: @Maowasayali
    , @Showmethereal
  249. Nancy 说:
    @TG

    Agree. See Ha-Joon Chang ‘Kicking Away the Ladder’.

  250. @SeekerofthePresence

    I am currently reading “Tye First World War” by John Keegan. Yeah it never ceases to amaze how leaders make dumb decisions based on false accusations about what another nation can and cannot do and will and will not do.

    The warmongers never understand the consequences… Or dont care.

    • 同意: SeekerofthePresence
    • 回复: @Alfred
  251. Rdm 说:
    @unit472

    This is Hollywood.

    这就是真实的生活。

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-air-force-f-16c-crashed-at-new-mexico-base-2020-7

    Stop watching Netflix and pay attention to the reality.

  252. nsa 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “given the sheer stupidity of many of the comments………”
    Reminds of the old saw about the two guys being chased by a hungry bear. The jew does not have to be of Newtonian intellect, he just has to be a tad brighter than the average moron commenter here…..

  253. Rdm 说:
    @Priss Factor

    but but but Priss ….

    There are real Euro Americans who are dancing to the tune of Jews drums and proudly thumping their chests.

    After all, why don’t we celebrate a little bit of our strong White genes and drumbeat our glory to the death of our nation?

    At least it’d be soothing and better than Han Zimmer’s score.

  254. Nancy 说:
    @Anonymous

    I hope they never forget the recent ‘mysterious’ death of their Ambassador in Israel.

  255. anon[280]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    See, “cohesion” is not one of China’s problems, except when centuries of being powerful and wealthy lead them to fragment for a few decades, before inevitably regaining cohesion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms

    China has a long history of vicious internal conflicts. The Romance of Three Kingdoms is up on Youtube. Besides being a superb historic drama production offering entertainment, it is also a fairly accurate window into the historic (and possibly current) Chinese self mytho-mindset. Mao apparently liked to compare himself to Cao Cao and Jack Ma a month ago mentioned the Battle of Red Cliffs.

    This is an interesting take on emerging ‘kingdoms’:
    https://www.quora.com/Given-Chinas-Internet-business-space-resembles-the-Three-Kingdom-situation-Baidu-Tencent-Alibaba-who-would-you-classify-as-Wu-Wei-and-Shu-Kingdoms

  256. Rahan 说:
    @Old and Grumpy

    If we are war with China, where will we get the medical supplies for the injured? How about the little parts for the military equipment? Are things like washers and bolts even made in the USA anymore? Also who is going to fight in this war?

    India, India, and also India…
    They are the designated alternative manufacturing hub and also provider of war biomass.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  257. ImaBotKnot 说:

    I think we can learn a lot about the state ( the single state, the One World Globalist State that we see coming into view, although realize the One Globalist State is not the actual endgame ) of the points of Globalist leverage by studying the list of attendees of the 2020 World Economic forum…. DOWNLOAD THIS… https://qz.com/1787763/the-list-of-delegates-to-the-2020-world-economic-forum-in-davos/ …. For example see Elaine L. Chao Secretary of Transportation of the United States -wife of Senator Mitch McConnell… other Trump Administration ( but remember Biden Harriss ??Bloomberg ??? Rahm Emmanuel Administration will be even worse as far as tanking the United States even more quickly. See Maria Bartiromo … Anchor and Global Markets Editor, Fox Business Network, USA I think we see that although say Trump and Putin may not want to totally destroy the world, But representatives of World Leverage of the US, China and Russian Federation all take part in this Globalist meeting. It is of Biblical Proportions the Final endgame is the Great Work preparing the way of the anti-christ destruction death for the entire planet. The immediate goal is Mark of the Beast type worldwide ID and getting every person every where as much as possible to take a vaccination that will genetically modify us/US for the worse. Remember also that different groups of people or different countries could receive different vaccinations depending on specific goals of the Luciferians. The devils in real power are the ones who also say control the US Russia and China and could get us all to fight each other. Jesus save all who call upon his name.

    • 谢谢: Maowasayali
    • 回复: @ImaBotKnot
  258. @Anon

    Who knew? A very low IQ whitey with the ability to form sentences.
    Unfortunately, the sentences are mere gaslighting.

  259. ImaBotKnot 说:
    @ImaBotKnot

    ??? There does seem to be an HIV component of COVID and an HIV component in the Vaccination so the goal is to give us all auto-immune disorders ….. Jonestown was a CIA experiment to test how well AIDS would spread in a a controlled population of Black People??? So moral of the story is DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL-AIDS DO NOT TAKE THE SHOT. Henry Kissinger, Fauci and those involved in AIDS research ( creation??? ) must be so proud. A Special Vaccine Program for the world.

    • 回复: @ImaBotKnot
  260. Anonymous[350]• 免责声明 说:
    @Miro23

    Warming to the theme, so to speak, surely if the current USA had all of its big cities – not the suburbs, mind you – vaporised in an instant, wouldn’t that be the biggest blessing in disguise to the USA ever?

    • 回复: @Rooster10
  261. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Tell us what is your plan that has no use for white gentile “Patriotards”? What do smart Jewish cosmopolitans like yourself envision for America? How do they plan to deal with the Chinese gentile “Patriotards”? There are more gentile “Patriotards” in China than in America.

    • 回复: @Astuteobservor II
  262. Rich 说:
    @Seraphim

    So 2 years after American troops left the country, they lost? The new American Congress supported the communists, wanted Ho’s boys in Saigon. Therefore, the American government in 1975, which you have to admit wasn’t the same government as the one I972, was on the side of the Reds. Try to understand, the coup against Nixon resulted in a new government that no longer cared about S Vietnam and was communist leaning, at least in the House and deep state.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  263. @anon

    There is a saying, “Your enemies are your enemies because they know what you don’t know”. Before the beginning of the second world war, Adolf Hitler was the most popular man in Europe. Young boys barely in their teens and from many countries in Europe, dreamed of joining the National Socialist Party. They were motivated by all sorts of reasons, as youth are. In depression era Europe, wearing a uniform that was among the most elegant even in simplicity ever designed was a draw for them. Making some money was important. And finally comaradarie was important, as it is with the young.

  264. BK 说:

    So basically we listened to globalist free traders like Fred Reed and sent the know how and factories to a country that is bent on taking over the world. You don’t build the world’s largest navy with carriers for nothing.

    Here we sit – dependent upon the totalitarian CCP for our basic medicines, steel/aluminum, electronics, etc. We need to STOP trading with China and make things here again. Listening to putzs like Fred Reed and others has destroyed this country. Stop the firesale of America

    • 回复: @Houston 1992
  265. AnonHandle 说:
    @Stick

    I recommend Chairman Cao Cao to review the The Battle of Red Cliffs.

    Wu was a Naval Power. Wei was a land power. Shu Han was an opportunistic 3rd element that went to Wei’s side.

    PLA is not a Naval Power. Like Cao Cao, it can assemble huge numbers of ships and make a formidable display. Cao Cao lost most of his ships in a few hours, because of a lack of experience, and he was by all accounts an astute and capable strategic and military thinker. US, UK, and Japan are established Naval powers, like Wu.

    Another intriguing parallel factor (per official history of this battle) is that Zhuge Liang, the ‘wizzard’ minister of Liu Bei (Shu Han) used “magic” to turn the winds that caused all of Cao Cao’s fleet to BURN before they event got near Wu. That would be “superior technology”. Let’s guess who has the upper hand in Military Tech “Magic”.

    Finally, let’s note that Shu Han and Wu were contending powers aiming for supremacy in China, but they entered into an alliance because “everyone was afraid of Cao Cao”.

    All that said, someone please convince me that CCP is not married at the hip to Cabal and that the world “leaders” are not united in their desire to move to techno-authoritarianism.

  266. @showmethereal

    They said they knew they weren’t going to win fighting against a unit so convincingly outmatched equipment and arms wise – but yet was willing to fight.

    The Chinese beat them with psychological terrorism.
    The invaders thought that they had already won.

  267. @HeebHunter

    Andrew Anglin’s writing is brilliant–almost LOL funny if it wasn’t so sad and true. He is one of America’s best satirist and peace activists in the same vein as Mark Twain, as is, I should add, Fred Reed.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
  268. ImaBotKnot 说:
    @ImaBotKnot

    Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment? a Review of the Evidence Paperback – January 1, 1988 by Michael Meiers – A work of investigative journalism that presents the theory that the Central Intelligence Agency employed the Reverend Jim Jones to administer a pharmaceutical field test in mind control and ethnic weaponry to a large test group, namely the membership of the Peoples Temple. Proposes that Dr. Laurence Layton (Former Chief of the U.S. Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Division) cultured the AIDS virus to be tested and deployed in a CIA-backed experiment in Jonestown, Guyana.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  269. @BK

    BK, I agree that the US and the “West” needs to become independent of China and Chinese H1’s.

    But realistically it will take 25 years of concentrated efforts to recreate the level of independence that we enjoyed in 1990. It will prove much harder to re-create 60,000 lost factories, complex ecosystems with suppliers and skilled workers. (As for the last point –skilled workers– will our elites sanction a eugenics program? they would probably sanction more legal Chinese immigration before embracing that necessity)

    When has the USA last made a sustained 25 year effort that involved sacrifices from across most sections of society? the Cold War 1, but we were confronting a declining RU with 1.5 hands tied behind their backs with a crazy ideology imported from abroad. The Chinese won’t fight with 1.5 hands tied behind their backs. And they will readily exploit the divisions within US society and conflicted interest held by elites versus the disappearing middle class
    (our 60 year commitment to THE GREAT SOCIETY…..hmm I don’t see elites making any real sacrifices to achieve its stated goals, so I dismiss that )

    • 回复: @JM
  270. God's Fool 说:

    “史蒂夫班农,小时候显然被摔倒在地,实际上喜欢这样的战争。”

    我很担心你,弗雷德·里德。 也许,当你还是个孩子的时候,你被摔在了头上,不是吗?

    即将到来的与中国的战争将真正涉及整个世界。 这个想法不是让战争继续在阿富汗、叙利亚等国家进行,而是完全结束对方,这样他们就不会处于对方的霸权方式。 战争来临时,美方将无所事事,正如恶方将放弃必要的服务一样。 一场涉及使用核武器的独特大火即将来临,因此,不要惊讶中国的大部分地区和美国的大部分地区将很快被摧毁,但灰烬中会出现白色基督教凤凰,就像在欧洲……你就等着瞧吧。

    • 回复: @annamaria
  271. God's Fool 说:
    @The Soft Parade

    你究竟来自哪里,穿着靴子游行的软装? 盖维尔,不是吗?

  272. @Chinaman

    Did anyone bother to ask the most fundamental question?

    Why does the US NEED to fight a war with China? How will the US (especially the commenters here) benefit from such a war?

    The Chinese will definitely benefit from it but how does the bottom 90% of Americans benefit?

    It seems like everyone here is so eager to fight China. America is already at the top, the only way is down…why jeopardize that?

    The pro-war commentators have their collective heads up each others bum. War with China is a lose-lose situation. The only benefactors are the people on the sideline looking to scoop up both countries pennies on the dollar….you know the Elites that are making your life shit. Useful idiots abound. It is so easy to manipulate an individuals “despair” for “other peoples” agenda.

    There is zero benefit to the 90% of Americans unless you consider not having to pay for your own funeral one.

    Americans should really heed some Eastern Philosophy and seek within to solve it’s problems.

    • 谢谢: Chinaman
  273. God's Fool 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “没有中国市场,美国农民还能活下去吗?”

    在整个战争期间,他们可以靠纳税人的补贴生存,那么问题又来了,中国有十亿个饥饿的喉咙,如果不允许进口食品,还能生存吗? 我不这么认为!

  274. anonymous[378]• 免责声明 说:

    Hey guys, I need a place to leave this comment which that feckless kunt of a beggar (have you seen the number of digital begging bowls he presents) called Steve Failure, would not allow on his 多样性! 帖子。

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/diversity-2/

    My humble comment;

    Lol! The article itself doesn’t have that particular mugshot “collage.” Those pretty (lol!) mugs bring to mind a recent article here on Unz.

    https://www.unz.com/article/portland-memories/

    Anyway, I suppose one can glean information based on one’s prejudices. For me, the following statement confirms my idea of what is actually going on…

    “Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) offenders are most commonly white,” it added.

    Here is another take;
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/15/child-sexual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

  275. last straw 说:
    @Rich

    One of the main reasons that such myth is still being perpetuated is precisely because some of them are still alive.

  276. Agent76 说:

    25年2016月XNUMX日,中国准备好挑战美元了吗?

    报告简介:中国准备好挑战美元了吗? 人民币国际化及其对美国的启示。

    29年2020月XNUMX日,亨利·基辛格(Henry Kissinger)想要独裁中国政策

    随着美国大选走向最后的结局,全世界都在想乔拜登的中国关系与特朗普中国的关系将如何不同,他的中国鹰派成员如迈克·庞培(Mike Pompeo)。 但是基辛格是数十年来中美政策失败的原因。

  277. Excellent article as far as it goes. But overlooks the infrequently discussed ladder gap. The Chinese greatly outnumber us here in the GnuKnighted States. And their country is said to be on the other side of the planetary spheroid. Suppose all their able bodied people simultaneously mounted four foot step ladders and jumped to the ground in unison? How could we possibly counter such an attack? And for brevity, this overlooks the logistic and step-ladder production problems contingent on such an endeavor, which are equally asymmetric and bottle-necked.

  278. @Frank frank

    But the Chinese seem to have also come to understand something, that they can use the Jewish, who have always relied on their ability to blend into western society, in order to weaponize the Jewish proclivity to subvert and undermine and stab Europeans in the back out of pure greed and malice.

    Noseberg wasn’t doing those things already?

  279. Bernie 说:
    @KlossTummybag

    This young white Westerner hopes China defeats the anti-white US empire.

    • 同意: KlossTummybag
    • 回复: @Alexandros
  280. God's Fool 说:
    @The Soft Parade

    谁他妈想要庞杰布,庞杰布? 哈里亚纳邦到底是什么? 它像加里亚纳还是玛丽安娜? 一个人必须得脑子有病才能想要所有这些病人……在纽约市,这样鲁莽地驾驶出租车的人还不够多吗?

  281. Rdm 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    安东尼,

    You might want to read E.A Ross who said once China waken up, there’s no nation on Earth that can beat China in every aspects of life. Of course he also said Whites should avoid mixing with Chinese at all cost because they are cheap.

    That’s not from Napolean’s quote. It’s from our godfather anti-Jew, anti-Asian, anti-everything, pro-Whites EA Ross.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  282. God's Fool 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    又一位中国专家从西伯利亚洞里出来了……

    • 巨魔: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @Rdm
  283. God's Fool 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “我的印象是,几乎所有这些评论者都是白人外邦人,其中许多人具有军事背景。 众所周知,当他们和他们的父母挥舞着步枪,对“肮脏腐烂的外国共产主义力量。”

    你绝对不会指那个背信弃义的犹太人,现在是吗,罗恩?

  284. @Wild Man

    Mr. Unz, permit me butt in and address “Wild Man” with regards to this:

    If you lie like this to your subjects, … you do not respect them …. which sets up the psychic condition whereby domination for d0mination- sake is possible and probable (this type of domination requires contempt for supposed underlings). Does CCP disrespect their subjects, their populace, and as such seek to dominate as motivated by contempt?

    No, the CCP actually fears its citizens. Obviously, if it did have any contempt for the masses, it would not have spent so much time and resources to raise their standard of living.

    The general consensus–even in the MSM–is that China has lifted 700 million Chinese out of poverty. One could debate the numbers and criteria but the development and prosperity one sees in China today is visible to the naked eye of even the casual observer and tourist.  

    However, as an independent (not paid to troll or praise) China watcher, I can say with absolute certainty that no Chinese politician will ever reach the pinnacle of the CCP by starting out as an actor, especially an actor who ridicules the Chinese people as sheep and pays occult homage to ((((9/11))) if it had occurred in China.*

    The Chinese ‘normies’ or common folk are more numerate than Americans (meaning they have a good basic knowledge of arithmetic and number patterns) and would clue in much quicker to the Cabal’s use of numerology as ritual and ridicule.

    *I am referring to pre-POTUS Donald Trump’s 2010 commercial for Serta Mattress, which flew high over the heads of the ‘Patriotards’ of course.  

    • 哈哈: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  285. anon[116]• 免责声明 说:

    Is America on an inexorable decline? How long before this degeneracy spreads to the rest of the country:

    Between the left and the right, we end up with a ruling class addicted to power and money, a msm that justifies mass deception as “noble lies”, a corporatocracy addicted to offshoring and immigration to maximize profit, a MIC addicted to wars, and a loony left addicted to all manners of moral degeneracy, from drugs, sex, alcohol to porn, LGBTQ mania, critical race theory, identity politics, victimhood mentality.

    China is just another red herring, like Russia and Iran. Our greatest enemy is within, not without. For America to survive, we must rid ourselves of all the greed and moral rot brought to us by our (((owners))). Until this group is chased out of Wall Street, Hollywood, DC, SV, msm, academia, judiciary and deep state, the whole country will turn into Seattle within one generation.

    • 谢谢: FLgeezer
    • 回复: @Nancy
  286. Bill Jones 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    If we fight China

    这个“我们”是谁?

    I have no intention of fighting China, Why do you?

    • 回复: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
  287. Fred777 说:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    “And all of that without a single Excel spreadsheet.“

    Or Powerpoint!

    • 哈哈: kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
  288. annamaria 说:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “The United States would have been better off if it had simply ignored Asia geopolitically…”

    — How about hyper-profits for US corporations and their CEOs? It was not China that has been begging the US profiteers to use the cheap (slave) labor of Chinese people. The financial imperialism a la Milton & Co used Chinese flesh and blood to enrich and empower the Squid. The Squid was OK with killing out American industries and destroying the livelihood of the hard-working middle class.

    • 同意: Badger Down
  289. Rdm 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Do you really believe that Japan will kowtow to the US and will fight against China while their mainland is near the coast of mainland China? The same goes for S.Korea as well.

    All the SEA countries will join Uncle Sam and fight against China?

    Your analysis on geopolitical template is War happens in SEA or China coastal area and China will get hit much more than the US.

    Israel is in Middle East, didn’t have to shoot a single bullet and controlling what you need to think and what you’re supposed to do already. Get it?

    Seeing those EuroWhites thumping chests and walking the war drum from Jews drumbeats is laughable.

    Get a life, Dude. Too much GTA is harmful to your brain.

    • 回复: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
  290. Ron Unz 说:
    @Rdm

    You might want to read E.A Ross…Of course he also said Whites should avoid mixing with Chinese at all cost because they are cheap…It’s from our godfather anti-Jew, anti-Asian, anti-everything, pro-Whites EA Ross.

    I really think that’s an extremely misleading characterization of the views of Ross, one of our greatest early sociologists.

    Fortunately, several of his most important books are available on this website in convenient HTML format, and anyone interested in knowing what he actually believed about the Chinese or various American ethnic groups can easily take a look and decide for themselves:

    https://www.unz.com/book/e_a_ross__the-changing-chinese/

    https://www.unz.com/book/e_a_ross__the-old-world-in-the-new/

    • 谢谢: bomag
    • 回复: @Rdm
    , @Smith
  291. HeebHunter 说:
    @Maowasayali

    This is what (((Q))) meant by trusting da plan, lololol
    There has never been a mass dumber than the one in the Jewnited State of Muttmerica.
    1945 Back to Back World War champs indeed.

  292. annamaria 说:
    @Max Payne

    “… military engagement between some or all the top dogs of the world.”

    — Do you think that China needs and wants military engagement? Nope. What about Russia? Nope.

    It is not difficult to pinpoint a real enemy of humankind; this enemy has encircled the world with military bases and it is always ready to do ‘humanitarian intervention’ of mass-slaughter type to steal from (and destroy) other nations in order to enrich the deciders among Banksters and the MIC profiteers.

    A sample of ziocon ideology: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.” Michael Ledeen. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

    Michael A. Ledeen has been described by the Jerusalem Post as “Washington’s neoconservative guru”. He was part of the neocon cabal that manufactured the fake intelligence in the lead up to the war against Iraq, and has since been active in making the case for the bombing of Iran. … Ledeen was was a founder and former member of the Board of Advisors of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

    Should not he live in a country his loyalty belongs to?

    • 同意: Olivier1973, Miro23
    • 回复: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Herald
  293. Richard B 说:
    @Doc Strange Love

    There really isn’t anything we can do if China decides to invade Taiwan

    你也许是对的。

    Then again, there’s really not much the US can do if China invades the US.

    Given their partnership with our hostile elite, an invasion won’t be necessary.

  294. annamaria 说:
    @unit472

    “… for that base Russia has forfeited the goodwill of the EU and US and not even China recognizes the ‘conquest.”

    — Why don’t you read a textbook on the history of Eastern Europe before making your amazing statements? What ‘goodwill’ have you been writing about? By Carl Gerschman of bloody NED fame? The idiotic Bellincat, or Mr. Stoltenberg? The EU (and the UK) are thoroughly zionized. They are the presstituting vassals of ziocons and war profiteers.

    There was no conquest of Crimea in 2014 (Russians had conquered Crimea from the Ottoman empire in the 18日 century). There was a referendum in Crimea, an expression of 人民之声。 Before that last referendum (forced by the Kagan/CIA revolution in Kiev), the Crimeans had held several similar referenda. For example, in 1994. “1.3 million voted, 78.4% of whom supported greater autonomy from Ukraine, 82.8% supported allowing dual Russian-Ukrainian citizenship, and 77.9% favored giving Crimean presidential decrees the force of law.”
    The Crimean referendum in 1994:

    A three-part referendum was held on March 27, 1994, on whether Crimeans wanted greater autonomy within Ukraine, whether Crimeans should have dual Russian and Ukrainian citizenship, and whether Crimean presidential decrees should have the status of laws. Voters approved all three issues, with approval rates at 78.4 percent, 82.8 percent, and 77.9 percent, respectively.

    When zionists united with Banderites (self-proclaimed neo-Nazis) to make Ukraine into Kaganat of Nuland (the current status of Ukraine) the Crimeans had had it enough. The 2014 referendum:

    The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution. … The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for the integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83 percent voter turnout, and within the local government of Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for the integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 89 percent voter turnout.

    The 2014 referendum and its results look much more reliable than the Beijing Joe’s election in the US.

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 回复: @Miro23
  295. @American Dissident

    Not only that, America could feed its population 10x over if we had to. Chinese cities destroyed, unable to import food they would starve to death.

    • 回复: @Miro23
  296. annamaria 说:
    @Rich

    “Can the CCP, notorious for stealing intellectual property…”

    — Check the ethnicity of those kids who win national math & science competitions in the US. Also, “China surpassed the U.S. as a top source of international patents in 2019:” https://defence-point.com/2020/04/09/china-surpassed-the-u-s-as-a-top-source-of-international-patents-in-2019/

    It is not China’s fault that the US educational system is lame and the American government is loyal to the transnational cabal of Banksters and various war profiteers and not to the US citizenry.

    As for the “economic stranglehold,” why don’t you address the real culprit who bled American industries to death? Have you heard about Bill Clinton? How about the huge bonuses for the CEOs of major American corporations that gleefully betrayed the nation and relocated American industries to countries with quasi-slave labor laws…

    • 同意: Hillbob
  297. @Marshal Marlow

    the US had informed the Soviet Union that if they managed to sink a US carrier, it would be treated as having launched a nuclear first-strike and will trigger a nuclear response.

    If it is the same as with th USS Liberty…

  298. annamaria 说:
    @Quartermaster

    Listen, ziocon stooge, under the thieving management of the US State. Dept. and ziocon masters, Ukraine has become the poorest country in Europe. https://jobzey.com/the-poorest-countries-in-europe-in-2020/

    Ukrainians are fleeing Ukraine. The country is ruled by Mr. Grossman (Jewish premier) and Mr. Zelenski (Jewish president), and it is armed by the Jewish State: “Israeli arms are being sent to a heavily armed neo-Nazi militia in Ukraine” https://portside.org/2018-08-06/israel-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine

    Russians in Crimea had had enough of Ukrainian neo-nazis and their ziocon masters. Enjoy your chosen company.

    • 同意: Miro23, Alfred
  299. Art 说:

    I believe that Fred has a legitimate hardon for the US government. There is a dark article on Unz describing his beef with the government.

    With that in mind, we must question his assessment of the China/US question.

    It is the commie Chinese leader that is making warlike moves – it is not Trump, the CIA, or the US military who are threatening aggressive war.

    It would not be wrong, to believe that there is already a determined soft war being waged against America by communist China.

    p.s. Trump correctly put this aggressive soft war in our conscience and on our agenda.

    • 不同意: Commentator Mike
    • 哈哈: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  300. @Anon

    How do you know nuclear weapons exist? What a ridiculous question,right? Firstly, we know Hiroshima was atom bombed. But if you look closely at pictures of it, you see flimsy corrugated iron sheds standing amidst the ashes, just like in firebombed cities. Why was only one journalist, a member of the military, allowed to report from there? Why did Japan pass harsh laws restricting information about these events?
    But anyway, we know nukes exist because of all the test explosions in the 40’s and 50’s. If you see a big enough hole in the ground, you know it had to come from a nuke. Go ahead and try to view one of these holes. Turns out you can’t. Not up close, not from a nearby mountain, not from an airplane. But you can find pictures on Wikipedia, right? Well, no. At least not a picture with an object for scale in it.
    But we have pictures of nuclear tests. Yes, and many are laughable fakes, but photo analysis is too involved for here.
    Another way we know nukes exist is that Isreal has them and Iran doesn’t. That’s why Isreal is so lackadaisical about Iran and doesn’t want the US to trouble ourselves over them. If nukes didn’t exist then the 9:1 population disparity might make the small hats frantic.
    Besides, other WWII high technology is still so mysterious, right? For example, radar was a top secret weapon. It can’t be true that every new car in the US comes with a $0.50 radar module, because that would imply that nukes should cost about $2 by now.
    Anyway, keep believing in fairy tales if it makes you happy.

    • 回复: @dogbumbreath
    , @AnonHandle
  301. Rdm 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I indeed read through your HTML deposits and found that Ross can be as blind-sided as one can be.

    I’m particularly curious how he detailed Latin America women as “nitpicking, gossip spreading and older women being a reservoir for gossip of the town”.

    This, in my opinion, is biased view and you can also see a similar trait in any women on this planet. The only difference is, as a person climbs up a career ladder, the less gossip she can relish and the more work she needs to get it done. To paintbrush the entire Latin American women as gossipy while completely ignoring the similar trait in European women is as good as one’s telling my shit is pleasant, but your shit is smelly.

    Granted, some of his observations are true to certain extent, like when he claims Jews are at two extremes in spectrum; the bar the Jews set, it’s the highest. Also the most sneaky money laundering habits were also found in Jews who only care about money and nothing else. For this one, I’m not sure.

    Any white Gentiles who likes to thump their chests should pay a visit to our forefather EA Ross.

  302. de Grave 说:
    @Anita Patel

    A more apt comparison would be “random, rural American dolt vs. random, rural Chinese dolt”. The winner would be a tossup. Looking at specially selected intelligent Chinese students who come to the US/Europe/other Western countries to study makes no sense. Your average Chinese peasant isn’t too bright either. Take the collective IQ of 每周 person in China, and not just the top performing students who are tested, and you’ll see their average IQ plummet. For White, Western countries, including the likes of every black and brown that resides here in our IQ-pool gives a significant disadvantage. That said, as much as I don’t care for the Chinese, war is not needed, nor should it be desired. No more White lives for Jewish lies!

    • 回复: @JM
  303. Rico 说:

    The US is currently capitulating to the Taliban and will take on China?

    不会发生。

    Bannon is a paid lobbyist byTaiwanese and other overseas chinese malcontents.

  304. Herald 说:
    @Miro23

    – then it looks like trouble is coming for China.

    Trouble for China and no one else?

  305. Anonymous[564]• 免责声明 说:

    WELL how was this possible that a China (1973), a nation poor, semi/industralized with little or no high tech manufacturing went from being a 2th/3t world nation to the preeminent world power that it is today and soon surpassing the USA..?? Public/govt/FISCAL that favors outsourcing, freetrade, low tariffs, open border immigration, service based economy, and multiculturalism etc. NOW we see who gained/lost..It is easy to blamed Trump or his hordes of deplorable lazy, drug addicts whose children are fighting and dying in Irak, Syria etc. The USA will never go to war with China not now that Biden is in the WH…a man/family/dem party, with legal/illegal financial deep money ties to China and its the USA elites. Many years ago it became all crystal clear to the Capitalist elite in America/UK…The USA would need massive amounts of labor/capital to compete with other industrial nations. The American middle class was to expensive demanding higher wages with higher social standards, in a country that is basically fiscally BANKRUPT, economically depress,socially and politically volatile. The average american worker middle class citizen has a networth of 000. NADA…The wages are too low, and the working poor, middle class have all its credit, buying, consuming capacities DEPLETED…Here comes CHINA with a surging population of more than 1.5 BILLION people, low wages, NO political representation, homogenious demographics, culturally submissive confucianism, . BUT China is a huge land mass with huge natural resources, large population, geographically expanding land/air/sea…everytime more in control of more world key resources, estrategic land points, countries, global COMMERCE, rails, sealanes, airroutes…and LOADED WITH CASH several TRILLIONS surplus cash/bonds/stocks/etc. thats why the big giant corporations, movie studios, logistics, big tech, pharma are moving over there..I doubt that any major USA FRENCH GERMAN JAPANESE conglomerate will move to China and demand that the start of WW III, at teh same time…how illogcal is that??? The ratings for the NBA NFL NBA, are higher in China tha in the USA, Disney, FOX, Paramount, can make 4xs the box receipts in China than in the American/Canadian markets,,,or the world$$ for that matter…YES the wriing is on the WALL …CHINA WILL BE THE FISRT WORLD POWER while USA will continue its path of SELFdestruction, inexorably so…the USA (fraud) elections of 2020 sealed that fate…WE the people must take it up the ass..

  306. Herald 说:
    @annamaria

    Should not he live in a country his loyalty belongs to?

    No, he should be made to live in Iran.

  307. Herald 说:
    @Anon

    To begin the war, America would overestimate itself and underestimate China. This is doctrine in the Pentagon.

    I don’t expect you got that far in Fred’s article, or more likely you work for the Pentagon.

  308. HeebHunter 说:
    @Art

    It is the commie Chinese leader that is making warlike moves – it is not Trump, the CIA, or the US military who are threatening aggressive war.

    Yes, folks. It is that time of the week again. Humiliating article on UNZ prompts yet another state department and glownigger outfit to go out and reassure the good people here that the opioid tranny armies of muttmerica will crush those dirty chinks who surround the JEWsa with military bases.

    Very good. You have put everlasting confident inside of us.
    Of all the issues in muttmerica, let’s go and bring sodomy and Muslim liberation to those filthy chinks. Did you see that photo of CHINK doctors selling kidneys for 10 USD? Disgusting. Just like the scene at the masturbation machine and giant electric chair in Auschwitz, OY VEY! Those slanty-eyed bastards are also bioengineering GIANT ASS GOBLINS to put 20 cm of wood up the poor Uiguhrs asses.

    To arms, goy- I mean fellow MAGA AMERICANS! TO WAR!

    • 回复: @Art
  309. mike99588 说:
    @anonymous

    州和 本地 inventory taxes. Yep.

    Got so bad a site was missing legally promised/mandated critical spares and had to extort them elsewhere with helicopter pickup hovering overhead, accompanying the physical, hostile demand.

    For comparison, imagine a malfunctioning nuclear power plant missing critical spares after the locals spent a (a few, todays $) billion dollars on graft…

  310. @Doc Strange Love

    ‘…and Russian military, personnel and economic power is far below China…’

    Napoleon went to Moscow – Russia went to Paris.

    Hitler went to Moscow – Russia went to Berlin.

    There’s a lesson in there somewhere…

  311. annamaria 说:
    @Rich

    “to stop the murderous communists from being able to kill and torture more people.”

    — Oh my, such righteous indignation! And what, tell us, the US has been doing in the Middle East — playing musical chairs? The US army (in service to banksters and ziocons) has been killing and torturing people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria. You should take a look at the amazing exploits of the US army in Falluja:
    While bombing the ancient city into the stone age, the US X-tian army sprinkled it with depleted uranium to ensure that all births there will be abnormal:
    The formerly prosperous Libya was ruined on orders of the ZUSA government. Now Libya enjoys slave markets. Some monument to Obama-Clinton’s humanitarian intervention there.
    Multidenominational Syria was flooded with the US/UK trained & armed ‘moderate terrorists’. Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel in action.

    Enough already of American “humanitarian interventions”, color revolutions, and other invitations to mass slaughter.

    By the way, the Bolshevik revolution in Russia was financed by American bankers.

    雅各布·希夫(Jacob Schiff)是纽约投资公司Kuhn,Loeb and Co.的负责人。他是布尔什维克革命的主要支持者之一,并亲自资助了托洛茨基从纽约到俄罗斯的旅行。 他是伍德罗·威尔逊(Woodrow Wilson)总统竞选的主要贡献者,并且是通过《美联储法》的倡导者。

    https://rielpolitik.com/2020/01/26/hidden-history-who-financed-bolshevik-revolution/

    • 谢谢: Ann Nonny Mouse, FLgeezer
    • 回复: @Sam J.
  312. annamaria 说:
    @J

    Why the hysterics? If you are so upset with the Unz Review forum, just quit it. Take some meds (benzodiazepines will do), relax, return to your beloved MSM.

  313. Mike Tre 说:
    @dogbumbreath

    “Americans should really heed some Eastern Philosophy and seek within to solve it’s problems. ”

    This is a strawman as I am fairly confident 99% of Americans have no interest in any further wars with anyone, least of all China. If you mean the US government then you should at least clarify.

    The few commenters here who thump their chests ( for any side) are not representative of the US (or any country’s) population as a whole.

  314. What a US-China war in the SCS might look like, when the USN confronts modern weapons for the first time in decades…

    “Boards don’t hit back.”

    • 哈哈: Chinaman
    • 回复: @SimplePseudonymicHandle
  315. Rooster10 说:
    @Anonymous

    Great point! Suddenly I’m not so opposed to nuclear war!

  316. @ImaBotKnot

    Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment? a Review of the Evidence Paperback – January 1, 1988 by Michael Meiers – A work of investigative journalism that presents the theory that the Central Intelligence Agency employed the Reverend Jim Jones to administer a pharmaceutical field test in mind control and ethnic weaponry to a large test group, namely the membership of the Peoples Temple. Proposes that Dr. Laurence Layton (Former Chief of the U.S. Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Division) cultured the AIDS virus to be tested and deployed in a CIA-backed experiment in Jonestown, Guyana.

    The great thing about Unz Review is that there’s a new crazy conspiracy theory every single day. I was worried that we were getting close to Peak Conspiracy Theory but it now appears that the supply of conspiracy theories is effectively unlimited.

  317. @anon

    Murrika was the model on which Hitler and Togo proceeded to build their own “Lebensraums”.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/03/nazi-germanys-american-dream-hitler-modeled-his-concept-of-racial-struggle-and-global-campaign-after-americas-conquest-of-native-americans.html

    Nazi Germany would not have lost if they were as good as the Murrikans in that game.

  318. annamaria 说:
    @Rich

    Your problem is, ‘they’ (the owners of this country) have never let you read Smedley Darlington Butler, to keep you as a pliable tool for ‘their’ needs (global racket): https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

    WAR是球拍。 一直如此。

    它可能是最古老的,最容易获利的,当然也是最恶毒的。 它是唯一的国际范围。 它是唯一一种以美元计算利润和生命损失的方法。

    我相信,最好将球拍描述为与大多数人不一样的东西。 只有一个小的“内部”群体知道它是关于什么的。 它是为少数人的利益而进行的,以牺牲很多人的利益为代价。 少数人因战争而大发横财。

    • 回复: @Rich
  319. annamaria 说:
    @another fred

    What is your opinion of the cohesion in the US?

    • 回复: @another fred
  320. @Sparkylyle92

    How do you know nuclear weapons exist? What a ridiculous question,right? Firstly, we know Hiroshima was atom bombed. But if you look closely at pictures of it, you see flimsy corrugated iron sheds standing amidst the ashes, just like in firebombed cities. Why was only one journalist, a member of the military, allowed to report from there? Why did Japan pass harsh laws restricting information about these events?
    But anyway, we know nukes exist because of all the test explosions in the 40’s and 50’s. If you see a big enough hole in the ground, you know it had to come from a nuke. Go ahead and try to view one of these holes. Turns out you can’t. Not up close, not from a nearby mountain, not from an airplane. But you can find pictures on Wikipedia, right? Well, no. At least not a picture with an object for scale in it.
    But we have pictures of nuclear tests. Yes, and many are laughable fakes, but photo analysis is too involved for here.
    Another way we know nukes exist is that Isreal has them and Iran doesn’t. That’s why Isreal is so lackadaisical about Iran and doesn’t want the US to trouble ourselves over them. If nukes didn’t exist then the 9:1 population disparity might make the small hats frantic.
    Besides, other WWII high technology is still so mysterious, right? For example, radar was a top secret weapon. It can’t be true that every new car in the US comes with a $0.50 radar module, because that would imply that nukes should cost about $2 by now.
    Anyway, keep believing in fairy tales if it makes you happy.

    Looking at photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki post bombing, one can conclude that if atomic bombs were dropped, they were not 100% in their annihilation; concrete structures and trees still left standing. However, if you look at the results of 9/11 and the twin towers, you can conclude nuclear weapons (nuclear demolition) exist and are far more advanced in it’s destructive force…..all wood, steel and concrete vaporized into fine white powder leaving behind radioactive traces.

    https://www.911tap.org/10-publications/news-releases/823-nuclear-demolition-at-the-world-trade-center-on-9-11-an-empirical-review

  321. Rich 说:
    @annamaria

    Yes, you are the only person who’s ever read old Smedley. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe the expansionist communists of the Cold War era weren’t looking for world domination? Do you believe that the Islamists are all fun loving, peace seekers? If so, we’re just going to have to disagree.

    • 回复: @annamaria
  322. AnonHandle 说:
    @Sparkylyle92

    If nuclear weapons don’t exist, then how did the two towers get turned into dust in seconds?

    The Israel point is a red herring. Check wikipedia and see how many “nuclear powers” got there without a single test. Only the magical Jew state has done it.

    You know what was “fake”?

    https://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/28/weekinreview/the-world-israeli-prisoner-shows-his-hand.html

    With a touch of Hitchcock melodrama, the accused Israeli spy waited until he was close to journalists outside the Jerusalem courthouse where he was about to make an appearance, escorted by police. Then he flashed open his left hand for the reporters to see and the photographers to shoot the message he had written in English on his palm: ”Vanunu M. was hijacked in Rome Itl 30.9.86.2100 came to Rome by BA fly 504.”

    Oh that is actually funny. (Hitchcock was in the show business, was he not?)

    I always found that story so funny and yet so sad for the magical Jewish entity. Even with all that French help they could not muster one lousy bomb. Even Pakistan managed to do it quiety and test their fire cracker.

    Israel does not have a credible nuclear deterence. IRI must know this, too. But yet, the Mullahs insist on “spinning” Uranium. What does this “spinning” get Iran? It puts Iran and Iranians in a unique international box no other nation is subjected to (why is that?) and IRI the regime gets “enemies” and a ready excuse for their monumental failures and their destruction of the future of Iranians.

    (Speaking of Pakistan. Isn’t it amazing that Pakistan, that industrial giant 🙂 managed to get from stolen whatnots of the Dutch to nukes and Iran is taking 40 fucking years just to get to 20% enrichment. Moments like this, don’t you ask yourself if the whole global show is just that, a show?)

  323. @annamaria

    Not good, but with a lower population and more resources may be more easily held together by coercion and self interest. Note that I am not saying China will necessarily lose cohesion, only that the guys in some think tanks think it might under certain circumstances.

  324. Anonymous[915]• 免责声明 说:
    @last straw

    I think you mean another brick in the already high wall of “international pariah”.

  325. @Carlton Meyer

    The war was waged at home, here, and the MIC won it, based on truth so plain that only a drunk could see it, as

    “a plot between the North Vietnamese and the South Vietnamese, who are cousins, to get more jeeps into the country.”

    Jack Kerouac, at 18:24

  326. Art 说:
    @HeebHunter

    Yes, folks. It is that time of the week again. Humiliating article on UNZ prompts yet another state department and glownigger outfit to go out and reassure the good people here that the opioid tranny armies of muttmerica will crush those dirty chinks who surround the JEWsa with military bases.

    Sorry – but I cannot keep up with your thoughts. Is it that the US is ugly and bad? Post 9/11 – I agree.

    I blame the Jews. Without question they have made a surreptitious effort to use the US government for Zionist purposes.

    America was never perfect – hardly. But we did some good things. Those days are now over. The negative arch downward, started with the murder of JFK.

    Fact – between China and the US – today the pendulum for war is on China’s side.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  327. This is what happens when both elected and unelected political class sells us out for pennies to the dollar while lining their pockets from kickbacks, shakedowns, insider trading, pay to play racketeering and blaming it all on red or blue side, depending on where you get your propaganda from.
    In short, as the great Derbyshire once proclaimed, we are doomed.

  328. utu 说:

    The key to halting China is Taiwan.

    “I believe the United States will fight to defend Taiwan if China invades Taiwan. In my opinion, it’s unthinkable that the United States would stand by and allow China to conquer Taiwan.” These are not the words of a wide-eyed Wilsonian or a neocon hawk. Rather, they come courtesy of John Mearsheimer.

    “If we didn’t defend Taiwan, it would have devastating consequences for our relationship with Japan, South Korea, and our other allies in East Asia,”

    https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/09/15/defending_taiwan_and_deterring_china_577452.html

    Some in Washington recognize it’s time to shift from ambiguity to clarity. The recently introduced Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act (TIPA) would authorize the use of military force “to secure and protect Taiwan against…direct armed attack by the military forces of the People’s Republic of China, the taking of territory under the effective jurisdiction of Taiwan” and the “endangering of the lives of members of the military forces of Taiwan or civilians within the effective jurisdiction of Taiwan.”

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7855/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22%5C%22taiwan+invasion+prevention+act%5C%22%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=2
    HR7855 – Taiwan Invasion Prevention Act
    To authorize the President to use military force for the purpose of securing and defending Taiwan against armed attack, and for other purposes.

    The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States and take such other measures as the President determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to secure and protect Taiwan against the following:

    (1) Direct armed attack by the military forces of the People’s Republic of China against the military forces of Taiwan.

    (2) The taking of territory under the effective jurisdiction of Taiwan by the military forces of the People’s Republic of China.

    (3) The endangering of the lives of members of the military forces of Taiwan or civilians within the effective jurisdiction of Taiwan in cases in which such members or civilians have been killed or are in imminent danger of being killed.

    At some point in the future Taiwan will be recognized as an independent state and readmitted to the UN. Until then the policy of deliberate ambiguity about the status of Taiwan will be continued.

    • 哈哈: HeebHunter
  329. Seraphim 说:
    @Rich

    Put it other way. Americans went to Vietnam to stop the spread of Communism. But how did they stop it, when they elected a ‘communist’ Congress who stopped their fight against the spread of Communism?

    • 回复: @Rich
  330. Pissedman 说:
    @GeeBee

    You don’t even breach the limited use of nukes and the usa submarines that would sink the entire chinese navy in a week. And then still able to shower them with more nukes at the standby. To think that russia would join in this is an analysis fail. China is surrounded by korea, india who also have nukes and together standing armies as large as china. along with air forces that will rule the skies in a few days. We don’t even need to land there, already more than a million strong with India and plenty of capability with subs alone to take china out. Split china up into pieces, take their trillions in us bonds, take their foreign lands and disputed territories….usa will win this one with plenty of help from several interested parties. Even russia will gain a piece from china. Yes world trade is reduced, so what china is set back forever!

  331. utu 说:

    Rand, a thinktank wholly owned by the Pentagon, at least mentally, has wargamed both the Taiwan Strait and the South China Sea, concluding that the war could be both very long and a loss for America.

    Fred, You are lying for the sake of scoring a rhetorical point in your silly article. Not a loss.

    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1100/RR1140/RAND_RR1140.pdf

    RAND considers four scenarios:

    Brief, severe: Within days, it would be apparent to both sides that the early gap in losses favoring the United States would widen if fighting continued. By 2025, though, U.S. losses would increase because of enhanced Chinese A2AD. This, in turn, could limit Chinese losses, though these would still be greater than U.S. ones.

    Long, severe: As of 2015, the longer a severe war dragged on, the worse the results and prospects would be for China. By 2025, however, inconclusive results in early fighting could motivate both sides to fight on despite heavy losses incurred and still expected. Although prospects for U.S. military victory then would be worse than they are today, this would not necessarily imply Chinese victory.

    Brief, mild: What could follow is tightly restricted, lowgrade, sporadic, inconclusive fighting, with minimal military losses. Assuming that leaders of both states were inclined and had enough political latitude to compromise, such a conflict could be ended before it produced major economic damage or domestic and international political tremors.

    Long, mild: Because neither would gain the upper hand militarily, this could go on for some time. In the meantime, even with fighting limited, economic losses would grow, espe- cially for China.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Chinaman
  332. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    Fred, You are lying for the sake of scoring a rhetorical point in your silly article. Not a loss…RAND considers four scenarios

    That’s interesting about the RAND report. It’s pretty long, but maybe I’ll take a look at it.

    But is it credible? It seems to me that for many years now America and its major institutions have gotten more and more incompetent, finding it very difficult to get anything successfully accomplished.

    However, the one sector that America still totally dominates—propaganda and media—has mostly concealed this reality, until it sometimes becomes too blatant to remain hidden.

    For example, there was the very ironic fact that just last year America along with Britain and the Netherlands were ranked as the absolute best prepared countries to handle a major disease epidemic, while China was ranked as mediocre.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/america-first-in-epidemic-preparedness/

    Yet America has actually done worse than any country in the world, with the arguable exception of India. So I really wonder if our military would perform any better than our CDC…

    • 同意: Rdm, showmethereal
    • 谢谢: HeebHunter
  333. Smith 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Never like what westerners have to say about asians, but this EA Ross dude’s writing on the chinks seem very accurate for the period, and his predictions prophetic (the future industrial might of China, if realized).

  334. Ron Unz 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, the RAND report runs well over 100 pages, but glancing through the first 50 or so, it seems pretty worthless, though with lots of colorful charts and graphs. Frankly, Fred’s short column seems much more realistic.

    Supposedly, the Chinese have long-range missiles that can pretty easily sink our aircraft carriers, or at least that’s what lots of knowledgeable people seem to believe. If our aircraft carriers have to stay far, far away from China to survive, I don’t see how we can easily use our planes to attack the Chinese mainland or its military forces. And if we lose a carrier or two, the dollar probably collapses and there’s a revolution in America.

    This seemed a very simple question and I’d been hoping the RAND people would provide some sort of plausible answer, but I didn’t see anything in the first 50 pages, and I very much doubt there was anything in the remaining 50. Just lots of bureaucratic language and colorful charts and graphs. I’m sure the CDC also had long reports in 2019 with lots of colorful charts and graphs showing how effectively they would handle any disease outbreak.

    Another ridiculous tidbit was that the report claimed that America’s economy was almost twice the size of China’s in 2016. But everyone knows that in real terms, China’s economy had already been larger for several years. I didn’t see any passages explaining that America’s ace-in-the-hole was the “diversity” of our military, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were in the study.

    America’s national security apparatus is unmatched in the quality of its charts, graphs, and other visual aids. But I’m just not sure they’d be all that useful in actually winning a war with China…

  335. Anonymous[146]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我认为你说的有道理,这当然非常令人担忧。 最好避免与中国发生枪战。

    On the other hand, how to deal with China’s military expansion? For example, the new $200M development that China is angling to build within 200km from the coast of Australia? What is that going to be used for, exactly?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-15/trepidation-as-china-prepares-to-move-into-the-torres-strait/12985504

    正如那篇文章中引用的那样:

    “In my view, what they’re going to do, first of all, is build a very large wharf. So when you build a very large wharf, what do you build? Somewhere where naval vessels can land,” he said.

    现在,建立一个潜在的军事基地是一回事,发动入侵又是另一回事。 美国在距中国大陆约600公里的冲绳设有基地。 它从来没有利用这个基地对中国进行过打击,但无疑它与中国有关。

    不幸的是,正如您在另一条评论中正确指出的那样:

    我的印象是,几乎所有这些评论者都是白人外邦人,其中许多人具有军事背景。 众所周知,当他们和他们的父母挥舞着步枪,对“肮脏腐烂的外国共产主义力量.

    在您网站上的一篇指示性文章中,它描述了这种情况在澳大利亚是如何发生的,就像在美国一样。 不仅夺取了控制权,剥夺了他们的政治权力,而且在其他民族的人口增加的同时,基本上保持了白人外邦人口的静止或下降。

    https://www.unz.com/article/mark-leibler-powerbroker-for-australias-jewish-plutocracy/

    所以现在澳洲、美国、欧洲等等的其他民族的第五列一大堆。4年前5.6%的人承认有中国背景,现在肯定更高。 如果打了一场战争,情况会很复杂,更不用说越来越少的白人人口属于 18-49 岁男性的战争人群。 此外,Leibler 提倡的第 18-c 条目前防止基于种族等原因歧视任何人。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Australia

    你的评论是关于美国最高领导层无能的。 他们已经准备好将最后一场战争打到第n级。 如果希特勒在美国、澳大利亚或英国(所有在二战中英勇反抗希特勒的国家)出现,他们的人民现在就会减少。 反对优生学和聪明白人繁殖的宣传一直有效。 总体数字下降了百分比,我们的智能部分下降得更糟。 随着大规模监视和法律/公司机构的作用,种族团结的最轻微迹象被摧毁职业等。

    然而,由于美国的最高领导层完全是疯狂的、妄想的、无能的,他们可能没有意识到这一现实。

    当然,在这些盟国可能需要发动经济战争、海上封锁或子弹战争的情况下,实现这一目标的人力资本(数量、质量、年龄)明显减少。 幸运的是,中国大陆的 TFR 与典型的西方国家一样低。

    具有讽刺意味的是,除了希特勒的部分之外,最后一场战争还涉及盎格鲁圈 + 俄罗斯进行了大部分战斗。 所以现在我们在太平洋有一个有点类似 1930 年代类型的情况,集体裤在脚踝周围。 与俄罗斯的关系也陷入了困境。

    Anyone who has seen the auto factories in Detroit and the oil fields in Texas knows that Japan lacks the national power for a naval race with America. – Yamamoto

    怎么办呢?

    For one thing, wrt the white human capital diminishment, it is long past time to “call off the hounds”. Since the propaganda to propel this has had the force of a religion, this will not be easy. Likewise, non-white immigration, and especially East Asian immigration should be curtailed. Enacting this should be pushed from both ends, the 2% and the dwindling 60-80% depending on the country.

    我认为战争不是适当的反应,太危险了,而且核武器使事情变得非常复杂。

    合适的工具本质上是商业性的; 关税和补贴,以逐渐摆脱出售我们用来吊死自己的绳索,或者更确切地说,建立可能对我们发动战争的经济。

    如果我们看看中国正在做什么,他们似乎意识到他们的弱点是封锁。 这就是“一带一路”倡议的重点。 具有讽刺意味的是,破坏和平的是“一带一路”倡议(就像美国包围俄罗斯的导弹防御系统一样)。

    最近写了几篇关于封锁的文章。

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/24/to-defeat-china-in-war-strangle-its-economy/?sh=69d7c01931a9

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/how-massive-naval-blockade-could-bring-china-its-knees-war-50957

    https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1735&context=nwc-review

    人们应该警惕封锁可能会引发一场枪战,就像二战中发生的那样。

    但是,我认为应该以某种方式抵制新军事基地的建设。 一盎司的预防胜过一磅的治疗。

    • 回复: @d dan
  336. last straw 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Rand is just another pro-MIC “think tank” that probably are full of members of former military ranks who arrived through the revolving door. Overestimating the military and economic strength of the U.S. is probably their default position. I take what they say with a huge pinch of salt.

  337. Sulu 说:

    Fred makes a good case in pointing out the economic, political, and military damage that a war with China would do to the U.S. It is folly in the extreme for anyone to think it would be a good idea. Which, to my mind, makes it even more likely the fools that run our country will try it.

    苏鲁

  338. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “But is it credible? ” – I have no clue. I would like to know what is the opinion in Pentagon about RAND reports in general. A report like that one could be written with zero knowledge and zero access to classifies data and intelligence about China beyond what is in Wikipedia.

  339. JM 说:
    @Rich

    Agree with you about “we”. Presumptuous Hindoo and her cheeky…er…presumptions.

    On Vietnam. We should have taken up Ho’s declarations of ultimate respect for the foundations of America and while respecting in full Vietnamese national independence and sovereignty (which was what it was about anyway), set about building fraternal relations and economic development. Morons who claimed it was all about ‘stopping them there’ truly shot themselves in the foot because punishment in the form a hordes of Saigon brothel keepers, drug dealers, and others, followed on.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  340. JM 说:
    @Houston 1992

    That sounds realistic.

    As for the Chinese being able to ‘exploit the divisions within US society’, they are well and truly tooled up to do that – now and in the future:

    重大泄漏“揭露”中国共产党成员,“揭开盖子”

    The number is TWO MILLION named and identified Chinese operatives – and it figures, given the totalitarian ‘Social Contract’ points system.

    • 回复: @Rdm
  341. Abbybwood 说:
    @unit472

    Maybe it would be better for the US and China to play a televised game of “Risk” and make it pay-per-view worldwide with betting.

    May the best Generals win!

  342. Sulu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    And if we lose a carrier or two, the dollar probably collapses and there’s a revolution in America.

    A highly speculative conclusion based on what, exactly? Yeah, the dollar would take a hit, to some degree. But collapse? I suppose “collapse” is dependent on definition. Ok, maybe.

    But a revolution in America? Not going to happen. The Jews just stole an election in front of everyone and half of America is too dumb to notice. The SCOTUS, supposedly the highest legal authority in the land, timidly refuses to do anything about it. We are forced to wear masks based on the dubious conclusion that it will protect us against a virus that has a death rate only marginally higher that the common flu. Our children can’t attend school because of the covid hysteria. Half the small businesses in America are on the verge of bankruptcy because the government mandates that they must close while globalist like Bezos doubles his fortune from around a hundred billion to 200 billion in the span of a year and congress thinks a couple checks for 1200 dollars will be enough to bail America out. In all likelihood we are going to be forced to take a vaccine that has been rushed to market and will no doubt kill some of the people that take it. Blacks and other Antifa scum burn our cities but a White man that used deadly force to defend himself from violence goes to jail, charged with murder.

    No Mr. Unz. America will not have a revolution. We will take anything. Our government tells us to bend over and spread our cheeks and we rush to comply. We have put our asses so far up in the air I really think we should rename our country France.

    苏鲁

    • 同意: Garliv
  343. Seraphim 说:
    @Pissedman

    Obviously you were pissed when you had this ‘technicolor yawn’.

  344. @Ron Unz

    If Rand, an organization tied to the Pentagon had come up with a report saying we will get our ass kicked if we go anywhere near China, that would directly and negatively affect how much money our MIC gets. That won’t do.

    Sinking a carrier is not that hard. The Chinese have multiple ways to do it. The most basic and brute force way is to saturate the missile defense capability of the CSG. Now, from the shore of a continent size country with enough weapons, they should be able to do this. What is more, they can bomb all the bases ringing China, including Japan and South Korea. They can occupy the islands in the first island chain all the way up to and including Okinawa. Militarily, it is a losing situation to pick a fight with them. What is even more frightening, with a small fraction of our defense budget, they are pumping out far more war ships than we do. Their best destroyer, the type-55, is far superior to the Arleigh Burke and at half the cost to produce. They are still making big improvements on this ship. The next gen reportedly will use Independent Electric Propulsion. It it not inconceivable that one or two decades from now, after they master their version of the Ford class carrier and better subs, they will initiate a military race that we can’t win. We are going to be the new Soviet Union, failing to keep up with a country that can pump warships out like sausages.

  345. JM 说:
    @de Grave

    的确。

    这也是:
    The Chinese are well and truly tooled up to exploit the divisions within US society – now and in the future:

    重大泄漏“揭露”中国共产党成员,“揭开盖子”

    The number is TWO MILLION named and identified Chinese operatives – and it figures, given the totalitarian ‘Social Contract’ points system.

  346. J Lee 说:

    War with China won’t be easy, or profitable, or just, or even possible to win. Yet it is absolutely necessary.

    为什么?

    It is the only way white men can make themselves indispensable to avoid being purged from control of the nations destiny.
    Perhaps in the fires of an existential struggle they might emerge cleansed of the terminal rot of their civilization.

  347. @Ron Unz

    Would expect the conclusion of the remaining 50 pages is that the US must continue or increase spending on the defense corporations. Keep the profits coming. Everyone (the board members) benefits. No one gets hurt, except the rest of the world. What’s not to like? Or as that favorite of rhythm guitar goes, “Train Keep a’Rollin’.”

    • 回复: @SeekerofthePresence
  348. Miro23 说:
    @annamaria

    The EU (and the UK) are thoroughly zionized. They are the presstituting vassals of ziocons and war profiteers.

    When zionists united with Banderites (self-proclaimed neo-Nazis) to make Ukraine into Kaganat of Nuland (the current status of Ukraine) the Crimeans had had it enough. The 2014 referendum:

    The referendum asked local populations whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution. … The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for the integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83 percent voter turnout, and within the local government of Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for the integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 89 percent voter turnout.

    This just emphasizes the point that the Zio-Reich (NWO) is not at all interested in real democracy. It works through special interest pressure, threats, subversion, coups, propaganda and misinformation.

  349. Miro23 说:
    @ConqueringFools

    Not only that, America could feed its population 10x over if we had to. Chinese cities destroyed, unable to import food they would starve to death.

    In a serious nuclear exchange – the ultimate expression of modern warfare – there are enough warheads to remove all the major cities of the US and China.

    Should that happen, then it looks like it wouldn’t be necessary to send food to cities since they would be mostly gone (along with the bulk of the population). The US and China would go back to being rural – since large scale industry would also likely be gone.

    Check it out on the useful link from Anon earlier in the comments:

    https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

  350. @Ron Unz

    Yet America has actually done worse than any country in the world, with the arguable exception of India. So I really wonder if our military would perform any better than our CDC…

    In 2017, the Pentagon issued “USNORTHCOM Branch Plan 3560: Pandemic Influenza and Infectious Disease Response.”

    民族 webzine has a short article on it with this very anti-Trump headline and subheading: “Exclusive: The Military Knew Years Ago That a Coronavirus Was Coming. The Pentagon warned the White House about a shortage of ventilators, face masks, and hospital beds in 2017—but the Trump administration did nothing.”

    Did Trump really do nothing or is this just theatrics and more of the same fake dialectics?

    Note the US Department of Defense (DOD) is technically the Fourth Estate, which means it is ostensibly in the business of propaganda. In other words, the warning from the Pentagon was probably predictive programming, if not plausible deniability.

  351. Anonymous[239]• 免责声明 说:
    @Pissedman

    Shhhh …… whisper it quietly:

    India is a joke. A sick joke, and will forever remain a sick joke.
    A bit like Brazil, but with infinitely trickier and nastier people.

  352. HeebHunter 说:
    @Art

    Sorry – but I cannot keep up with your thoughts. Is it that the US is ugly and bad? Post 9/11 – I agree.

    Might want to check the date on that. More like over 150 years ago. There has never been a dumber, more kike loving shithole, maybe except the monkey island called england.

    The funeral was 1913, the hammering of the nail was 1945, the zombiefication was then until now.
    The racial issue follows the same time line or even earlier. “Huwhite”. Heh.

    • 同意: Maowasayali
  353. @Showmethereal

    “the fact they cant hit Guam.”
    YES, WE CAN.

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  354. @SeekerofthePresence

    Winning or losing is irrelevant. That’s the “beauty” of perpetual war. Regardless of victory, defeat, or stalemate, the profits keep coming.

    With the national media behind you, you can manufacture as many enemies as you like. War is like romance. As Don Draper says on 疯子, “What you call love was invented by guys like me to sell nylons.”

    The Fed, die Kriegsbank, prints a never-ending stream of money, unlimited seed capital for the next war. Mao said, “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” In Amurika, it’s money.

    Smedley Butler says (quoted in #327), “Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” Win, lose, or draw.

  355. Moi 说:
    @Just another serf

    War makes sense for America because it is its very raison d’etre.

  356. Chinaman 说:
    @utu

    This report is a joke…China’s denial capability in the first island chain is beyond anyone’s wildest imagination. That report is not 5 years old but 20 years old.

    We only show you OBSOLETE weapons, dumbass.

    You can bet the laser weapons and next-gen jamming tech is almost ready now. Those white elephant F-35 will drop out of the sky like flies it comes near the mainland. Our J-20 stealth fighters are more than a match for them anyway.

    DF-15 and DF- 26 is not in the report, is it?? America has NO way to win in SCS and Taiwan. All the fools talking big here have no idea…

    One of the basic rules that were not explicit in the Art of War but that every Chinaman knows is to let your opponent underestimate your capability.

    Stupid Americans do exactly the opposite and show everyone their cards allowing its opponent to preempt them. That’s how they got crushed in the Korean War and also in Vietnam.

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  357. annamaria 说:
    @Joe Stalin

    “continuous war against the USA”

    — Why don’t you simply write that the Chinese are antisemites and they must pay for whatever.

    • 哈哈: Maowasayali
  358. HeebHunter 说:
    @JM

    As if the low IQ “huwhite” golems of the kosher melting pot here would admit that.
    Vietnam War PTSD is even strongee than ww2 realization. The mutts can’t own up to the fact that they were duped into serving kikes for centuries.
    Duped is a strong word though. More like “willingly”.

  359. annamaria 说:
    @Frank frank

    “Ironically it seems the Jewish don’t get that when they have accomplished their goal of deracinating and polluting Europeans into eradication, that they will stand out like sore thumbs among the brown masses and will have no ability to blend into Chinese power structures the way they did with Europeans.”

    — so much for the alleged super-intelligence of Jews

  360. HeebHunter 说:
    @Chinaman

    Kosher “reports” (ball stroking) is the only point of pride left for these mulattoes. They have lost control of their homeland, they now want to inflict that misery on the rest of the world like the beaten golem dogs they are.

  361. HeebHunter 说:
    @Pissedman

    So, strike then, mut.
    Nobody is buying the muh poor uiguhr propaganda.
    If you want to strike, now is the time. But you are just like those Polacken. You can’t defeat them now, you never will. The Old World is revitalizing. The Dawn comes again.

  362. Chinaman 说:
    @Pissedman

    Split china up into pieces, take their trillions in us bonds, take their foreign lands and disputed territories….usa will win this one with plenty of help from several interested parties.

    You are a thief like your ancestor.

    来吧…

    Your “war gaming” actually dovetail with an idea I was playing with…

    China funds BLM and MS13\paramilitaries with billions to instigate a civil war. Stop all imports and imports to the US so there is hyperinflation. Iran to stop all middle east oil export by blockading everything.

    Mexico is pretty keen to get back Texas and California…Russia…Alaska and northern Canada…

    • 回复: @Bork
  363. annamaria 说:
    @God's Fool

    Does China have its military bases next to the US border? Does Russia have military bases next to the US borders? Does Iran have military bases next to the US borders? — No, no, and no.

    The US’s new name is ZUSA. Your zionist zeal has been noticed.

    As for the ‘entire world,’ the world has enough of the ZUSA’s ‘humanitarian interventions’ bringing destruction, depleted uranium (and horrific birth defects), and slave markets to other countries to please the Babylonian Whore of the zionized US Congress and its true owners — the Banksters and mega War-profiteers.

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  364. annamaria 说:
    @Rich

    Yes, I respect Major General Smedley Darlington Butler and I trust his words that war is a racket and the US army has been used to enrich a small group of Banksters and War-profiteers:

    Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940), nicknamed “Old Gimlet Eye”, was a senior United States Marine Corps officer … Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. Butler later became an outspoken critic of American wars and their consequences. Butler also exposed an alleged plan to overthrow the United States government.

    在他的职业生涯结束时,巴特勒获得了16枚奖牌,其中19枚是英雄勋章。 他是两次获得荣誉勋章的XNUMX个人之一,是获得海军陆战队Brevet勋章(与Wendell Neville和David Porter一起)和荣誉勋章的三人之一,也是唯一获得Brevet荣誉的海军陆战队员勋章和两枚荣誉勋章,分别用于不同的动作。

    And who are you to besmirch his memory?

    • 不同意: Rich
    • 回复: @Notsofast
  365. God's Fool 说:
    @annamaria

    您的虔诚热情也已被注意到……

    • 回复: @annamaria
  366. Alfred 说:
    @Showmethereal

    I am currently reading “The First World War” by John Keegan.

    I respectfully suggest you take a look at this book. What went on is not as stupid and haphazard as they want you to believe. Roosevelt said that “nothing in politics happens by accident”. He should know since he forced the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

    Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War – by Gerry Docherty and Jim MacGregor

  367. Rdm 说:
    @Ron Unz

    There won’t be any real war. It’s just saber-rattling exercise.

    The real war is how long Hollywood can compete with a rising China cinema BS in coming years.

    • 哈哈: nokangaroos
    • 回复: @Chinaman
  368. Rdm 说:
    @God's Fool

    让安东尼休息一下,好吗?

    你有中国专家喜欢

    1. 来自南非洞的温斯顿,
    2. Gordon Chang from …. well, … Uncle Sam hole.

    您还想要什么?

    • 哈哈: Maowasayali
  369. Rdm 说:
    @JM

    Is down under convicts still in coma?

    Look at this convict JM here, how he’s wiggling his tail and salivating over his overload Jews controlled Sky News Australia. Jews whipped those convicts ass and make them wiggle their tails as they wish.

  370. Rich 说:
    @Seraphim

    What happened? An evil group of power hungry men within the halls of government decided to use the left and commie sympathizers to unseat the very popular president and change the policies of the US government. The new government supported the communists and showed it by refusing to send the promised support when the North invaded. If the US had still wanted to stop the Reds in Nam, they would have restarted bombing and rearmed the ARVN.

    And don’t get me wrong, I understand that there was a very large minority of people who agreed with this communist supporting group, who were tired of war and even voted for McGovern. But they lost the 72 election in a landslide. They won it in their coup.

  371. @Joe Stalin

    The Chinese owe their debt to themselves. The US owes more debt to china than the reverse.

  372. @Rahan

    https://www.ped30.com/2020/12/12/apple-iphone-riot-wistron-india/

    India is extremely unlikely to be successful in manufacturing. Actual replacement manufacturing, if any, will be Vietnamese and perhaps Southeast Asia. India is not in the running; its likely that ultimately China has no real replacement for its manufacturing synergies and economy of scale within the next hundred years.

  373. annamaria 说:
    @God's Fool

    “zeneral ” — What accent is this? By ‘Russian’ Jews in Israel?

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  374. @utu

    While I have my doubts, see below, thank you for being one of the few notes of sanity in this discussion.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/no-american-lives-should-be-lost-to-defend-taiwan/

    • 回复: @utu
  375. Chinaman 说:
    @Rdm

    rising China cinema BS in coming years.

    Unlike Hollywood BS, the scene below actually happened. Let all who wants a war with China see this. and read about the story of the 800. You Americans are pussies…

    Your most cherished values- freedom and individualism- are also your greatest weakness. you guys have no concept of sacrifice.

    Sun Tsu wrote Art of War 2500 years ago b4 there was Western civilization.

    You guys are newbies when it comes to war.

  376. BigHusky 说:

    Fred, you forgot, how overjoyed America’s “Sunshine Patriots” will be when the Draft is reinstituded and their “Little Johnnys and Jills” are sent to this “Glorious War for the Salvation of the American Empire”

  377. windwaves 说:
    @unit472

    just remind me, what military success can the US military claim since WWII? Grenada ? lol. This country is so much eaten up but the most communist of capitalism that it is totally disfunctional and its military a clown show.

    • 回复: @Rich
  378. @Ron Unz

    Supposedly, the Chinese have long-range missiles that can pretty easily sink our aircraft carriers, or at least that’s what lots of knowledgeable people seem to believe.

    Its a basic argument that offense trumps defense in modern warfare(see the development of armor-breaching weaponry and armor); the US Navy has argued that the Chinese “kill chain” is incomplete, but really I’ve not seen any real evidence for that and that certainly doesn’t remove the immobile bases that are within range.

    I’ve been of various thoughts but I think ultimately I’ve come to the same position with the “experts” and that the AS/AD characteristics of the Chinese forces give them a significant, and for the purposes of reality, insurmountable advantage in home waters.

    But furthermore, I don’t think the US has the political will to get into a war where she can’t win 100% with minimal casualties anymore. There isn’t that kind of unity.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  379. The West is in a war with China and appears to be losing at this point in time. I’d rather go along with a man dropped on his head as a child than Marshall Fred Petain.

  380. Rich 说:
    @windwaves

    1 The US prevented the communists from taking over S Korea.
    2 Militarily defeated the NVA, slowing the spread of communism.
    3 Chased the Iraqis out of Kuwait.
    4 Defeated the Taliban, took over all major population centers in Afghanistan installing a puppet government.
    5 Overthrew the Baathists in Iraq and installed a puppet government.
    6 Controls the seas including sailing through waters Red China claims.
    7 Expanded up to Russia’s borders absorbing most former Warsaw Pact nations without firing a shot.

    Not bad, militarily, I’d say.

  381. ananomous 说:
    @Notsofast

    Was that what Napoleon was waiting for also? He could not cross either. Because Russian Generals allowed the slaughter of their own troops in UN-imaginable numbers for 4 years it has been wrongly opined that they alone won the war against the Nazis. They died in huge numbers in WW1 but lost. Dying is not a measure of success it is measure of sacrifice which occured in this case due to the incompetence of the Red Army General Staff in the first half of the War. The US UK and France won WW1 on the battlefield and would beaten the Nazis in WW2 without the Russians eventually in any case. Because, the Germans could not cross the English Channel. The US wanted to invade France sooner but the UK stopped them due to fear of failure, which was warranted, not because they wanted to bleed the Russians. From the time the allies landed in Normandy the Germans had to balance their effort to stop from being conquered from the East or the West. If you examine the real record you can see that Russians and Western allies closed in at the same pace, which was dictated by German resistance.

    • 回复: @Notsofast
  382. utu 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks for the link to Lyle Jared Goldstein article form where I found more articles by him. He can make all arguments he wants. Even the weaselly one implicating that Taiwan does not deserve protection because it was on Japan’s side in WWII. He can even claim that Taiwan will succumb to China in two weeks.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/storm-clouds-are-gathering-over-taiwan-strait-26146

    But he is not in position to make geostrategic opinions about America’s interests and how important it is to contain China and whether Taiwan is the best place. For this we have John Mearsheimer. I go here with John Mearsheimer not Lyle Jared Goldstein.

    I must ad bit that my position on Taiwan has a personal component which somewhat biases me so it occurred to me where from inclinations and biases of Lyle Jared Goldstein come from. Should he be vetted? Chinese wife?

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  383. @Chinaman

    I think you’re missing his point. The real “competition”, as he suggests, is through winning hearts and minds through mind warfare via mass media/soft power.

    Its a valid point, and certainly one aspect which China is very weak on.

    • 回复: @d dan
    , @Chinaman
  384. BlackFlag 说:
    @Frank frank

    Immigrants won’t return to their countries to help build it up. Nobody nowadays gives a shit about anything other than money and pleasure. It’s global.

  385. d dan 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    “The real “competition” … is through winning hearts and minds through mind warfare via mass media/soft power.”

    Soft power is over-rated. From Chinese government (or any government) point of view, winning the hearts and minds of one of its citizen is 10 x more important than winning a foreigner. After all, government derives its power from its citizens, not from foreigners. The stronger the support of its citizens, the more powerful the government enjoys.

    Soft power almost always crumbles in front of the real-political considerations. China should concentrate its efforts on hard power – which it has long way to go. The soft power will come naturally when you are really powerful – 100% guaranteed.

    • 回复: @Rdm
    , @Anonymous
    , @anonymous
  386. Bork 说:
    @unit472

    It took the British years to mount an attack on the Ruhr dams. It would only take a couple of hours for US forces to hit the Three Gorges dam.

    Have you seen a photo of the dam? The “narrow” top with the cranes is “only” 40 meters wide and solid rebar reinforced concrete. The first bomb would make a crater, then the second bomb would have to hit the same crater, and the third, and the fourth. That does not sound like a quick operation.

    The base is much wider than the top. And the chinks would have a multi layered anti air network defending the dam, with the final stage being radar guided autocannons firing on the free falling bombs. The dam is so big that they could park the guns on top of it.

    American combat strategies tend to assume that the chinks are third world morons which they are not. Look, an american who is an influence agent for the CCP just won the 2020 presidental election! Is this the work of incompetent dusky unibrowed third worlders?

    The chinks have weapon systems that are not present in the american arsenal. The american response is always “but thats a copy” Of what? Its a derivative of a foreign weapon at most or an indigenous chink construction.

    The chinks are the big winners of american gunboat diplomacy, Trumps anti-iranian policies on behest of Israel gave the chinks access to iranian oil at 18-20% below current market rate and a vassal state. All they need to do to win with soft power is to offer better deals than the judeo-american NWO wealth extractors which honestly is not that difficult given how greedy these people are. And american embargoes are meaningless when you can buy everything from China.

    American warmongering against China is really jewish kvetching by proxy because the wily chink is not so clueless that he will let these people in, not after they have raped the rest of the world with their financial schemes. The mind of the chink is untainted by the jewish made slave religion christianity and the jews just do not know how to handle them. Just watch this video:

    • 同意: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Maowasayali
  387. @Bill Jones

    That’s a silly rhetorical point.

    What is your point.

    Is it not obvious that I don’t want to fight China – personally, and I think it will be disastrous for everyone, collectively?

  388. @Rdm

    Looking for the part of your post – that has anything to do with what I wrote.

    You responding to the right person sir?

    • 回复: @Rdm
  389. Rdm 说:
    @d dan

    Sun Tzu will label you as an idiot if he’s still alive.

    • 不同意: d dan
    • 回复: @dogbumbreath
    , @last straw
  390. Bork 说:
    @KlossTummybag

    The US is set to become majority non-white by around 2040.

    The US is already majority non-white. What it is not is majority non-caucasian. American simpletons think that “caucasian” is the “scientific” name for “white europeans” which it is not. Its a racial category from the 19th century based on skull shapes and there are at least 2 billion caucasians in the world and most of these are not white europeans.

    North africans, arabs, jews, turks, kurds, west and central asians, latin american mystery meats – all are caucasians with third world brains and third world mentality. It is this caucasian category that will become minority in 2040. The “of exclusively european descent only” americans are a minority already since 15-20 years back.

    • 回复: @showmethereal
  391. @anon

    You could make a case for it. With the defeat of the authoritarian governments, ALL OF THE COMMUNISTS CAME OUT OF THEIR HOLES IN EUROPE, THE U.S., CANADA, AUSTRAILIA, ETC ETC. They’ve been degrading the west right up until today. It used to be called the “march through the institutions”, a now dated slogan but true never-the-less.

  392. @dogbumbreath

    Sadly there is something to the “Thucydides Trap”.

    Xi cannot control what everyone in the Chinese bureaucracy or military does. There are many opportunities for missteps. The US cannot control what China does, there are many opportunities for missteps. China cannot control what the US or US military does, there are many opportunities for missteps.

    When the stakes are 降低 – when a Great Powers War in the offing, when a nuclear exchange in the offing, these things can be hard and require the most astute statesmen, at least on one side. There are just a lot of ways this can go wrong – and both the GPW and nuclear exchange ,那恭喜你, 在桌子上。

    With every speckled-screen image of a nuke and its mushroom cloud, we can recall the focus, maturity and clarity that both American and Soviet Cold Warriors possessed – and were expected to possess. They knew that if pressure needed to be let out of the cooked, then a long-simmering proxy war was probably in the interest of all parties, even the proxy – better that then come anywhere,near, a nuclear exchange.

    We don’t expect that of our leaders anymore – we expect celebrities and identity-check-boxes, not people who can do the Geo-Political-Don’t-Nuke-Anyone Dance.

    Our current elites seem to run the gamut between stooges and goons. We all have cause to fear.

    It might be a good time for thinkers on all sides to imagine a multi-polar world with a disintegration of China-US ties. I tend to think Russia will not be game to cooperate in a bi-polar world where it isn’t a polarity – so maybe tri-polar this time?

    Multi-polarity may not be the right answer but that’s where our leaders’ heads should be because if they aren’t then it’s a well oiled slope downhill in the Himalayas and the South China Sea. Chinese leaders should be made to understand that a US-Chinese exchange that averts nuclear war will be a miracle that will leave China flattened, and US leaders should be made to understand the same but that such an encounter will leave the US with a gut punch like it hasn’t taken since the Civil War and our unpredictable response to a gut-punch like that is precisely why we need to be sure it doesn’t happen – we have nukes after all.

  393. GeeBee 说:
    @Pissedman

    I thank you for your kind reply, but do rather feel that you need to get out more.

  394. d dan 说:
    @Anonymous

    “On the other hand, how to deal with China’s military expansion? For example, the new $200M development that China is angling to build within 200km from the coast of Australia? What is that going to be used for, exactly?”

    It always amazes me what idiots (like this anonymous commenter) are concerned about. The headline of the commenter’s link is:

    “China’s plan to build a fish processing facility in the Torres Strait raises alarm over fishing, border security”

    I hope China would built 1000000 more fish processing facilities around Australia in future. Add 1000000 more lobster and 1000000 more pork processing facilities to that. Yeah, “within 200km from the coast of Australia”, no, try make them within 30km of Australia next time. I just can’t wait to see their reaction.

    LOL. Robbers always are afraid of being robbed.

  395. Chinaman 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    CCP wumao likes to call Trump 川建國 which translates to Trump the founding father of China.

    Trump have done something CCP could never achieved. Almost anyone who identify as Chinese, inside or outside China is a fervent nationalist now. We all support the CCP…whether we like it or not. Nothing can bring down China except internal strife. Trump bashing China is better than any propaganda that the CCP can ever come up with. Propaganda never works because people know it is propaganda and rejects it. A bad cop good cop strategy works because people seeks safety from threats, whether they are real or not.

    The designation of the “China virus” destroyed the any vestige of soft power and goodwill that America have gained through Hollywood movies. All that soft power goes to CCP.

    Like most commenters here, we really wanted Trump to be re-elected. Trumps is an idiot and the best CCP publicist. Biden is too soft on China.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  396. China is symptomatic of a much larger problem that all of humanity must deal with. An issue articulated by President Putin and done so, in public. I’m paraphrasing him here; the country that succeeds in capturing the latest developments in Artificial Intelligence or AI, will conquer the world. The top seventy or so American corporations decided to betray every citizen domiciled here in the USA when they deliberately exported Research and Development Departments and scientific Brain Trusts to Chinese soil. This open and flagrant threat to U.S. sovereignty and security by these transnational corporations can only contribute to strengthening a Chinese Communist Party Nomenklatura and military posture. Even if the Pentagon working jointly with our fourteen various Intel Agencies and could manage to devise a way to muscle the R & D brain trusts back to our soil, the essence of the threat would not be diminished one iota. Not unlike the GMO environmental fiasco which was part of a wider plan to eventually control half the worlds grain supply, AI summons the devil himself to solve all our economic and social problems. It will remove the high priest of security, namely that of human military planning and logistics, from it’s pedestal, the Pentagon, NATO, the Five Eyes and so on. At first we gladly invited Satan into our homes, those seemingly innocuous joys of taking pics with AI chip cameras. Surely this is just an upgrade to the whole Kodak culture, no more fumbling with shadows shots or colorizing and environmentally friendly too-no chemical pollution! The Trojan horse has now been released and the D jinni cannot be recalled nor the unforseen consequences they already have or may bring. Once released into the theater of independent operations, AI has the capability to create its own software and languages therefor will be unfamiliar to the original programmers and creators. No hope for a brighter future in sight here Looks like major war to me and guess what? human authority will have no say in the matter and in all probability will get no warning either.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @showmethereal
  397. Rdm 说:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Apparently, I couldn’t comment more than 3 comments an hour in Fred’s article. It keeps locking me out and when I came back, my reply was all mixed up.

    Thanks. I must have responded to a wrong person.

  398. HeebHunter 说:
    @Bork

    Imagine a mutt professor allowed to speak like this…
    Not gonna happen. Muttmerica is dead.

  399. HeebHunter 说:
    @elmerfudzie

    Didn’t Amerimutts and the (((west))) shut down basic A.I foundational programs because it was too rayciss?
    The google fiasco with blacks being regconized for similarities with gorilla and monkeys, lol

    It is only logical and natural that the next evolution of human technology (A.I) will be in a civilization that worships education and inner philosophy, and not with mischling homosexual, drug addicted deviants who twerk to “Wet Ass Pussy”.

    • 回复: @Maowasayali
  400. @Bork

    American warmongering against China is really jewish kvetching by proxy because the wily chink is not so clueless that he will let these people in, not after they have raped the rest of the world with their financial schemes.

    同意。

    They are called the “Jews of Asia” and not for nothing… maybe they are the real “Jews” when it comes to money. The Rothschilds and the Polish Jews who rule Israel today are Ashkenazim– an ethnicity that originated in medieval Germany and they “copied” (lol) their paper fiat money system* from the “wily chinks” in the Tang Dynasty (AD 618–907).

    * The general consensus is that the world’s first paper currency was created in China during the Song Dynasty (AD 960–1279). However, the earliest forerunner of today’s banknotes was the “Flying Money” used by wealthy merchants and government officials in the earlier Tang Dynasty. These were documents equivalent to present-day bank drafts which allowed an individual to deposit money with local officials in exchange for a paper receipt that could be redeemed for an equal sum of money somewhere else.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
  401. Fritz Todt 说:

    Fred, a good essay. But I think that business between the U.S. and China will go on. Media tells us about it, or not. The media will feed us news of a war with China, but will omit news of business with China. This has happened before. In WW II, Rockefeller’s Standard Oil tankers were refueling U-Boats in the Caribbean. There was much hanky-panky like this, and will be again.

    I’m not sure how much respect military men deserve any more. I’m on the fence about that. Foreign policy is corrupt. Threats against our national security are exaggerated or pure fiction. Physical attacks are carried out by mercs. 9-11, Operation Gladio. Military men have no excuse to be ignorant of these falsities, this manufactured reality. The internet is there for them to research their doubts about who they work for and their motives.

    I’m starting to feel contempt for these military people. And soon, soon, they’ll be deployed here in CONUS. This ain’t my army any more. This government ain’t mine. I live in enemy-occupied territory.

    Take care, Fred.

  402. @HeebHunter

    Can’t use my LOL button for the next 8 hours… these posts of yours on this thread are LOL funny and true and also sad, really sad, as Drumpf would say. lol

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  403. HeebHunter 说:
    @Maowasayali

    I thank you for your kind words, and please don’t feel bad about running out of lol.

    The truth for Europeans and our New World spawns sucks balls and the remedies are going to taste worst than anything I or even Anglin can come up with. This is truly unprecendented in recorded history. Never has a population this large been this mentally deficient. Today one of my countryman told me that he is happy his 12 years old son is staying home playing video games.
    Normally I would object but suddenly all the occurences lately hit me and I commended him on his wise decision. A bumpy road is a head for sane western people. Scratch that. More like some shitty chickenhole filled Indian “highway” strewn with barbwires, claymores and all kind of nasty stuff.

    Stay alert, never underestimate the kosher demons and their lackeys (except to make money from them, they don’t deserve it, lol) and never let your hatred for them die out. It is a zero sum game. But never lose your sense of humor either. Stay sane.

    Peace 🙋‍♂️ \o \o \o

  404. @Daniel Chieh

    But furthermore, I don’t think the US has the political will to get into a war where she can’t win 100% with minimal casualties anymore.

    That’s probably the key. Americans don’t cope very well when their boys start coming home in body bags. They didn’t cope very well when that happened in the Vietnam War. That was less than 60,000 dead spread over a period of several years. And I agree that the US is much more casualty-averse now than it was half a century ago.

    Would Americans be willing to accept those kinds of casualty levels for the sake of the South China Sea? Or Taiwan?

    Does the average American even know where the South China Sea is? Or care?

    • 同意: showmethereal
  405. @Chinaman

    Trump have done something CCP could never achieved. Almost anyone who identify as Chinese, inside or outside China is a fervent nationalist now.

    Yep. It’s very much in the interests of both China and Russia for the US to continue to be rabidly hostile to them. It helps to build a healthy anti-American sentiment among the people. It builds a strong immune system to resist American cultural infection.

    And any country, if it is to survive, needs large amounts of healthy anti-Americanism.

    It’s much healthier to have the US as an enemy than a friend.

  406. @Abelard Lindsey

    I dont agree with everything Goldman said but I can respect his opinion – unlike many of his compatriots. I listened to one of his webinars the other day. His point is the US is wasting time trying to stop China’s rise but should invest in itself to compete. I have no issue with that. He rightly pointed out that Chinese are just as smart as Koreans and Japanese so will eventually innovate around any blockade and in the end – US companies will lose the Chinese market. He also said that as an American he wishes China success and prosperity – he just prefers the US to be #1. If he is honest in his words he should be commended. I think some things he says are just off though. He thinks in a 1 on 1 fight today Japan would defeat China. I dont know – maybe he was jesting. But he seemed serious saying he had “no doubt”. I think he is better when he talks about economics and tech news.

  407. @Wild Man

    Yeah China stopped exporting Mrxist ideals in the 70’s when the leader of Singapore advised them that if they stopped supporting commu ist rebels in Southeast Asia – then those countries would embrace China. As you rightly noted – its not real communism now and they know that.. Thats why they call it “socialism with Chinese characteristics”. In many ways it is the old imperial system but without the emperor and his posterity. Mixed with technocrat training received in Singapore. They know their system doesnt work everywhere.

    The Middle Kingdom was never evangelical. The only people who they assimilated were those neighbors who conquered China and then reverse assimilated themselves into the Chinese systems (Mongols and Manchu). China doesnt try to make its system fit. Its whole point is simply the west shouldnt tell everyone else how to run their own countries. China does big business with the Saudis but doesnt tell them what to do. Thats also why South Asian amd African cou tries prefer doing business with the Chinese government – and they say so outright.
    China is hated because they want to do things their own way – not because they want to conquer the world. I saw a BBC doc about Russia saying that Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire and or the rebirth of the Soviet Union. Putins response was that it was the west repeating the mistakes of the Soviet Union by trying to force every cou try to be like them. No womder he and Xi can relate

    • 回复: @Smith
  408. Nancy 说:
    @anon

    Being a Seattle native who watched it all on the evening news, I felt obligated to make a futile effort, and posted this on the YT….
    “BLM, Proud Boys, Antifa, wokeness, White Supremacy, White Fragility, et al have a source, and track straight back to ‘critical theories’ in academia – ‘queer studies’, black studies’, ‘women’s studies’, ‘fat studies’, ‘intersectionality’, .. and right back to originators of the ‘Frankfurt School’… yes, theorists, with no evidentiary basis for their ‘speculation’… no science, no studies, no NOTHING (other than their own mental illnesses) to support their Grievance/Victimhood/Oppression ASSERTIONS. (Strangely, factually, overwhelmingly, these ‘theorists’ had roots in the Talmud….can we handle the truth?) Their poison spread, aided by the academic, MSM and Hollywood elites, until we have today. Most tragically, IMO, they play on our altruism, our empathy, our instinct for fairness, and twist it into hatred, destruction, despair and futility, aimed far away from the true villains…. the 1% who pull all the $ strings. We are being SO PLAYED! ‘United we stand, divided we fall.’

    • 谢谢: SeekerofthePresence
    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Seraphim
  409. Notsofast 说:
    @annamaria

    smedley butler also warned fdr of a treasonous attempted coup by fascists elements lead by prescott bush (senator and father of geo bush sr.) who had attempted to enlist him into their conspiracy (yes virginia there are conspiracies). fdr was too cowardly to have these treasonous conspirators hung and as a result we find ourselves in the dystopian present brought on by the neo-con demon spawn descendants of this skull and bones founder. the bush family along with the walkers (as in george herbert walker bush) had two banks seized by the feds during ww2 for laundering nazi money. the banks were then returned to them in the 50’s when everything had blown over.

    • 谢谢: annamaria
    • 回复: @Nancy
    , @lysias
  410. durd 说:
    @GreatSocialist

    Thank heavens ‘we’ may have got that ‘Jackass’ out and replaced him with a 50 yr bureaucrat (Sniff) who made his family rich through empowering his porn star wannabe son Snort Hunter. It is writers like you who make many feel, Hope and Change, is a real possibility. Make America Great Again! Build Back Better! Sniff and Snort!

  411. Notsofast 说:
    @ananomous

    i didn’t realize napoleon had fought in ww2 thanks for bringing that to my attention. the german army had for all intendents and purposes had been defeated at the battle of stalingrad in 1943. the germans knew this and this was why they tried to assassinate hitler. the red army accounted for 76% of german combat deaths and when berlin fell it was defended largely by teenagers and senior citizens. the americans and brits wanted to let the nazis and reds inflict as much damage on each other as possible. the russian people paid the price and the americans grabbed the glory. thanks for your anonymous sock puppet comment though.

  412. “And of course the American workers who would have produced these things for China will be laid off”

    Says that after saying this.

    “We are not talking only plastic buckets and mops but chain saws, pharmaceuticals, motorcycles, and blood-pressure cuffs.”

    SO THE LAID OF WORKERS WILL START MAKING “chain saws, pharmaceuticals, motorcycles, and blood-pressure cuffs”

    Sorry, can’t read no further since I can already see the agenda in plain sight.

  413. ABMaurice 说:

    Got it all wrong again boyo! It would go like this:

    1. US gets too big for its britches and sends 1 or more carrier groups too close for comfort in China’s eyes.
    2. China sinks 1 or more carriers making sure that there is radioactivity is detectable.
    3. China alerts U.S. and international media to the presence of radioactivity.
    4. World goes apeshit.
    5. U.S. tucks tail in between its legs and slinks back to Hawaii.

  414. Smith 说:
    @Showmethereal

    Bullshit, China supported Pol Pot banditry all up to the 90s, with the support from Singapore too. Pol Pot himself was a Marxist-in-name-only since he was supported by the CIA. All to starve out Vietnam and Cambodia. These were war crimes that China still denies up to today.

    I want Pan-asian unity but keep your history straight, and yes, that means Singapore and ASEAN at the times were complicit in war crimes too.

    @Rdm

    No, Sun Tzu would agree with d dan the chinky in this case.

    Hard power is the wood, soft power is the paint. Good wood means good foundation, good paint cannot replace good wood.

    Compare China vs Japan. China is now a hard power that can wage its strength around, while Japan is a soft power, look good but is controlled by the USA, and because of capitalism and market laws, even Japan has to kowtow to China in order to get access to the 1.4 billion chink market despite its soft power. Meanwhile, China can freely improve its soft power anytimes it wants, since it is controlled by no one.

    • 回复: @Deep Thought
    , @Deep Thought
  415. @Rdm

    Sun Tzu will label you as an idiot if he’s still alive.

    Art of War was written over 2 millenia ago…times change, enemies change.

    • 回复: @Biff
  416. rburns 说:

    So, we want to fight a country whose language we are clueless about.

    The story is told that during WW II when Chinese were constructing airfields by hand and were packing down the materials by giant rollers pulled by men, occasionally a worker would fall down but the roller continued being pulled and rolled over the dude on the ground. The man’s coworkers were amused, not shocked. There were no grief counselors rushed to the scene and a year long investigation by some government bureaucrats.

    As for the 3 Gorges dam, big yawn. So what? More to the point is the US electrical grid being shut down vis-a-vis cyber attack. Our military force is focused on PC innovations and fancy gadgets that won’t operate in high intensity environments. The satellites sent aloft by the Chinese are not to enhance the lives of people but to facilitate a Chinese victory in a fight.

    American exceptionalism is exceptional because we’ve not won a war since the big 2. Doesn’t matter how many of the other side dies, it matters the outcomes that enhance national interest. Can someone list a half dozen of those?

    • 回复: @denk
  417. Bork 说:
    @Chinaman

    The weak spot in the jewish world order is not America but Europe. Americans are fanatical christians, and christians are the house carls and advance scouts of the jews. A couple of billion of dollars would be enough to finance the overthrow of several pro-american and pro-jewish european goverments. That would initate an avalanche of unrest in the remaining european NWO puppets, dropping them one after another. Do not strike at the enemy’s fist, strike at his soft jiggling belly.

    Let me give an example: Sweden has ~6.5-7 million swedes, ~7.5-8 million including nordic immigrants, 10.3 million official, 11+ million including illegals. Present growth rate including internal births to visible foreigners is 1 million chaos darkies added to the population every 7th year.

    This causes a phenomenal level of social, economic and racial stress which can be turned into political capital given money. If Sweden is retaken from the NWO by the swedes, the next thing that would happen is that 1 million afro-arabic-afghan rapefugees spill into Norway, 1 million into Finland, 1 million into Denmark etc, which would collapse these countries and their NWO allied governments. Denmark has a so-so ability to protect itself against this – but Norway and Finland can’t because of a long land border with Sweden. Germany, Holland and France would not be far behind. France is already about 10% black african. This scenario can be realized with a tiny fraction of China’s hoard of foreign currency.

    Why is it like this? Because the NWO judeo-americans have introduced a fantastic new concept in 5th generation warfare – you undermine and decay your allies more than your opponents so that your “allies” can never become a threat. That this may be a bad long term idea has never entered their minds because they never think in the long term.

    • 同意: Chinaman
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  418. Nancy 说:
    @Notsofast

    And the voters of Connecticut elected Prescott their Senator !! (CT has often been the ‘richest’ state in the union… does that explain something?)

  419. annamaria 说:
    @Nancy

    “Most tragically, IMO, they play on our altruism, our empathy, our instinct for fairness, and twist it into hatred, destruction, despair and futility, aimed far away from the true villains…. the 1% who pull all the $ strings. We are being SO PLAYED! ‘United we stand, divided we fall.’”

    - 同意。

  420. @Rich

    The rest of the world sees USer militants invading yet another Asian country (Vietnam) and murdering farmers, children, and anyone else who lives there. For reasons unknown. USer violence has killed millions of Asians. The 65,000 young Americans who died were in the wrong place.

    So Vietnam is still a communist country. Can the US live with that, or must we expect another murderous fit?

    • 回复: @Rich
  421. @Joe Stalin

    That’s dirty. Australians in Asia, killing Asians.

  422. @d dan

    “the left frank, the right frank”
    Pretty soon you’ve got a hot dog.

    但你的评论是完全正确的,D 丹。

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  423. @utu

    At some point in the future Taiwan will be recognized as an independent state and readmitted to the UN.

    Only a feminist mind could swallow your made for TV screenplay. Correct, they’re going to tell China I’m leaving you babeee, and then walk out the door. Oh…stop being such an unambiguous and atavistic pig…you’re hurting me ! My new friends won’t let you do this…I’ll get a room at the UN domestic violence shelter !

    Better option they simply wait for the false flag occurring on PRC soil immediately prior to China opening their justifiable can of whoopass, as in what have you done now bitch who’s your daddy and what happened to your friends who are all shocked you would do something like this knowing what would happen. Not that the U.N. won’t condemn China for invading Taiwan provided there’s an understanding it won’t happen again.

    • 哈哈: nokangaroos
  424. @utu

    I did some googling on him.

    Lyle J. Goldstein was in born 1972 to Robert E Goldstein, a cardiologist, and Susan K Goldstein, a psychotherapist. He received a PhD from Princeton University in 2001 and has an MA from Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. He also a visiting fellow of the Watson Institute of International Studies at Brown University.

    He resides in Barrington, Rhode Island with his wife Adi Goldstein

    For what it is worth, I think his evaluation is basically this in terms of realpolitik:

    1) He does not think that the US can prevail confidently in a war with China over Taiwan(or at all).

    2) If the US loses a war, given the many other issues that the US has and the importance of American security coming from a sense of invincibility, the US may not survive in any normal way as a nation. An example of this was the usual concern of American hyperinflation and continuing money printing – but so as long as the America has a guarantee in its military arms, its not really a major problem. American defeat could be cascading in disaster.

    3) On the other hand, if the US gives up Taiwan but otherwise has avoided actually avoided testing and losing in a war, while American prestige would decrease, it would still survive and he would be able to leverage it.

    4) In summation, better to lose territory and maintain military material and the reputation of being undefeated by another great power, than to lose territory, material and reputation.

    His basic argument is found here, and is invested in his essential lack of faith in the Taiwanese defense(which I share).

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/would-us-military-really-step-save-taiwan-172576

    Unfortunately, Taiwan’s many advocates in this country refuse to bother with military details. I have demonstrated in a previous article that the latest round of “happy talk” on the military aspects of the Taiwan scenario is patently absurd. Nor does the plethora of Taiwan proponents in Washington seem well versed in the relevant history—some of which can be found in Pareino’s skillful and balanced historical account A Force So Swift. What Taiwan advocacy amounts to today, dressed up as always in the luminous garb of humanitarian or democratic impulses, is actually “bad friend syndrome,” placing the people of Taiwan under the extraordinarily grave (and quite unnecessary) risk of attack.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @utu
    , @showmethereal
  425. @Smith

    Meanwhile, China can freely improve its soft power anytimes it wants, since it is controlled by no one.

    “since it is controlled by no one”???

    Isn’t China’s hard, or soft, power necessarily “GREANTED” by the Russians who are whites– by YOUR reckoning?

    • 回复: @Smith
  426. last straw 说:
    @Rdm

    China’s soft power works marvelously well in mainland China.

    https://ash.harvard.edu/news/ash-center-researchers-release-landmark-chinese-public-opinion-study

    The recent COVID-19 pandemic further increased China’s soft power in mainland China.

    http://chinadatalab.ucsd.edu/viz-blog/pandemic-sees-increase-in-chinese-support-for-regime-decrease-in-views-towards-us/

    Probably more than 90% of the 1.4 billion Chinese will support armed invasion of Taiwan if that’s the last resort. What 23 million Taiwanese think does not really matter that much.

  427. @Badger Down

    Typo…. But if you look at the context of my comment I would figure it was more clear

  428. niceland 说:

    On the world stage the U.S has three pillars of power: soft- economic and military. Each supporting the others; combined they are formidable as we have seen in the past. Perhaps the phrase the whole is greater than the sum of it’s parts apply here. But is the U.S really willing to put the strength of these pillars to the ultimate test in war with China?

    Armed conflict to contain China (only to benefit the U.S) would go a long way to destroy it’s soft power. The conflict would then really test the economic and military pillars, in all likelihood either or both would soon buckle, or worse.

    Where would this leave the U.S? Absent total victory over China it would leave the U.S in precarious situation, to say the least. Is victory over China likely? I don’t see it.

    If the U.S. elites want armed conflict with China the first order of business would be to mend fences with Russia. The reason is obvious. Is this happening?

    I think the U.S. will continue to enjoy it’s formidable but uncontested position. Because severe tests could reveal gaping holes of incompetence and lead to catastrophic results. So we are going to continue to see more propaganda and saber rattling towards China (and Russia) and the usual suspects in a game of tit for tat. The U.S. using it’s soft and economic power with a minimal (and safe) backup from it’s military.

    The violent rhetoric against China is part of the game It will work until China calls the bluff. And perhaps it isn’t in China interest to do so.

    我们生活的陌生世界。

  429. Seraphim 说:
    @Nancy

    They let themselves being played (or rather payed).

  430. Anon[142]• 免责声明 说:

    US –> a high school student, get some middle school lad minions, gang up together to win some fights with primary school or even kindergarten kids, keep bragging about the victories on the street.

    China –> middle school student busy getting ready to pass the entrance exam for an elite high school, listen quietly to the US show offs and threatens.

    Russia –> high school drop out, parent send him back to some middle school.

    Israel —> never go to any schools, home taught boy, picking fights in the neighborhood to mark his grade.

    India –> big fat primary school boy keep talking big about his future, his good friends in high schools and high school, blah blah blah…

    Japan –> middle school transfer student, once a bully, got bullied, biding his time.

    Australia –> primary school boy, get along with some elder cousins in middle schools and high school. Lost himself.

    • 哈哈: showmethereal
  431. @Smith

    Pol Pot himself was a Marxist-in-name-only since he was supported by the CIA. All to starve out Vietnam and Cambodia.

    Maybe, “Pol Pot himself was a Marxist-in-name-only” but, at least, he didn’t go begging the CIA for assistance– help came to him. On the contrary Uncle Ho went begging for pity but was contemptuously spurned:

    “华尔街日报”
    11 年 2018 月 XNUMX 日星期五(香港)

    在理查德·诺顿·史密斯 (Richard Norton Smith) 对帕特里夏·奥图尔 (Patricia O'Toole) 的伍德罗·威尔逊 (Woodrow Wilson) 新传记“道德家:伍德罗·威尔逊 (Woodrow Wilson) 和他创造的世界”(Books,21 月 XNUMX 日)的评论中,史密斯先生提到威尔逊“对战时理想主义和经济民主的侵蚀。”

    但史密斯先生断言威尔逊的名字是“自由民主的同义词”和“自决”是关键。 当然,威尔逊必须在他所生活的时代的背景下来看待,但他呼吁“让世界对民主安全”并建立一个理性的世界,这意味着对于强大的浅肤色国家和殖民帝国来说在 1900 年代初期运行世界。 威尔逊丝毫不相信被征服和被殖民压迫的人民有权“自决”。

    At the Versailles Conference following the end of World War I, a young man presented a petition to Secretary of State Robert Lansing, seeking a meeting with President Wilson to advocate for the freedom of his people. He was abruptly turned away, as he was what were would call today a Third World native living under a French colonial regime. His name was Ho Chi Minh (the using the name Nguyen Ai Quoc).

    威尔逊的理想——自由主义、民主和自决——并不适用于像何这样的人。

    史蒂文·莫里斯

    Mt. Pleasant, SC

    [更多]

    Uncle kept performing his shameless begging through his OSS handler in nam but to no avail.

    Until Mao, after winning all of the Chinese mainland, took pity on his little viet brother and gave him all the help he needed to kick the murrikans out of nam:

    越战期间中国对北越的支持:决定性优势
    鲍勃·海茨(Bob Seals)

    随着 1949 年 1947 月中华人民共和国的成立,亚洲乃至全球的战略力量平衡被永远改变了。经过 17 年越南的两年相对小规模的游击战后,冲突现在将扩大并变得更加致命。 随着中国共产党军队沿着中越边境抵达,法国人在越南的必然结局就在眼前。 正如武元甲将军多年后所写,“这一伟大的历史事件改变了亚洲和世界的事态,对越南人民的解放战争产生了相当大的影响。 越南不再处于敌人的包围之中,从此在地理上与社会主义集团联系在一起。” [XNUMX]

    Understandably enough Ho and the Viet Minh wasted no time in sending representatives northward to ask for support and assistance from the new communist government. Diplomatic recognition would be granted to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) in January of 1950 by the PRC, the first nation to do so, followed soon by Stalin and the USSR also granting recognition. [18] Stalin, as the senior member of the communist firm, had informed Mao during meetings in Moscow soon afterwards that providing support and assistance to the Vietnamese struggle was a responsibility, and financial obligation, of the Chinese and the PRC。 [19] This would not be an obligation that the Chairman would shirk from, far from it, he would honor Stalin’s wishes and support the Vietnamese communist cause for the next 25 years. Mao would see Vietnam as one of three areas of Western imperialism bordering on China that threatened the PRC, the other two areas being Taiwan and Korea. Additionally Mao sincerely believed in supporting “national liberation movements in colonial nations” and fancied himself as the champion of non-European peoples across the globe. [20]

    对于苏联和斯大林来说,这是一场低风险的赌博。 它的盟友,毛泽东领导下的中国人,以及韩国人和越南人,可能会束缚美国和西方在亚洲的强大力量,以至于全球力量平衡可能发生转变,从而使苏联能够向西进攻欧洲。 斯大林对第三次世界大战和西方的反应不屑一顾,因为德国和日本是战后的炮弹,宣称“我们应该害怕这场[世界大战]吗? 在我看来,我们不应该……如果战争不可避免,那么就让它现在发动,而不是几年之后。” [21] 在亚洲,甚至可能在其他地方,战争都将注定。

    “Stalin, as the senior member of the communist firm, had informed Mao during meetings in Moscow soon afterwards that providing support and assistance to the Vietnamese struggle was a responsibility, and financial obligation, of the Chinese and the PRC”

    Notice that Stalin didn’t say it was a resposibility of the USSR!!!

    1950 年,美国中央情报局的一份机密报告称,“法国在印度支那的地位岌岌可危”,这在当时有点轻描淡写。 [22] 战争对法国人来说一直很糟糕,而且只会变得更糟。 何在 1950 年 23 月正式请求越南军队在装备、顾问和训练方面提供军事援助。谁会向越南北部派遣顾问,而不是指挥官。 [XNUMX] 对越南人民军部队中国指挥官的这种要求凸显了当时越南军队的领导问题,以及对越南指挥官普遍缺乏信心。

    Within 48 hours after these successful assaults on those isolated French outposts in the north, Chinese General Chen would hold what we would call today an after action review. Chen would brief Giap and other high ranking officers for four hours on the shortcomings of the Vietnamese Army. These short comings according to Chen would include not following the order for battle and attacking late, commanders not leading assaults from the front, poor communications, and cadres making false reports to superiors.[29] One wonders how such criticism was received but such reviews are vital for an army’s subsequent growth and improvement. To General Giap “The victory shows Mao’s military thought was very applicable to Vietnam.” [30]

    By 1954 “Giap and the Chinese had built a tough, well-equipped, experienced, and dedicated army-a tool awaiting a great task and a master craftsman.” [34] The great task would be the decisive battle of Dien Bien Phu in western Vietnam near Laos, a battle that would end the First Vietnam War and the French presence in Indochina. Evidence suggests that the Vietnamese leadership did not see the opportunity provided by the French reoccupation of the valley until Chinese advisors alerted the Vietnamese, who initially wanted to move through Laos to invade South Vietnam, until convinced otherwise by General Wei Guoqing. [35] Additionally the CMAG would provide the Viet Mihn with a copy of the Navarre Plan, outlining French goals and objectives by the new French Commander in Vietnam.

    Giap wrote years after the battle that “I felt there needed to be a meeting with the head of the team of friendly military experts who was also present. Generally speaking, relationships between us and friendly military experts ever since the Border Campaign had been excellent. Our friends had given us the benefit of their invaluable experience drawn from the revolutionary war in China and the anti-US war in Korea.” [37] It is interesting that in his account of the battle Giap makes no mention of Chinese material support or advice and planning assistance provided throughout this decisive last battle of the First Vietnam War. The Chinese advisors, such as General Wei Guoqing, are not identified or given any credit by Giap. Perhaps this is understandable given that one of the Chinese advisors would write later that “The greatest shortcoming of the Vietnamese Communists was their fear of letting other people know their weaknesses. They lacked Bolshevist self-criticism.” [38] The siege of Dien Bien Phu was to last 8 weeks with China providing 8,286 tons of supplies, including 4,620 tons of petroleum, 1,360 tons of ammunition, 46 tons of weapons and 1,700 tons of rice from supply depots 600 miles away. [39]

    Chinese advisors would be involved at all levels during the battle including digging in the all important Vietnamese artillery into shellproof dugouts, experience learned the hard way in the hills of Korea. [40] In effect the battle of Dien Bien Phu would be planned and assisted by Chinese advisors and fought with Chinese trained, equipped, supplied, transported and fed PAVN troops in a military soup to nuts manner. This support is rarely mentioned as a contributing factor to the Vietnamese victory in 1954 but should be acknowledged in analyzing the battle.

    “因此,战争的最高实现是攻击敌人的计划;” 根据《孙子兵法》中博学的军事理论家孙子的说法。 [69]就这方面而言,这正是北越和中国人在两次越战中所做的:他们成功地进攻了西方列强的战争计划。 中国对DRV的大力支持,包括承诺在北越入侵时介入大量部队的承诺,有效地消除了这一行动路线,甚至消除了其他可能成为西方赢得战争的选择。 因此,在中国的支持下,DRV在整场战争中始终保持进攻,保持了主动权,并最终在1975年XNUMX月西贡沦陷时取得了胜利。

    • 谢谢: HeebHunter
    • 回复: @Rich
  432. Anonymous[259]• 免责声明 说:
    @d dan

    The ‘modern’ Economist magazine led dogma and orthodoxy in the west is that ‘national’ governments should make absolutely no distinction whatsoever between citizens and foreigners – even if thee foreigners have never even set foot in the western nation concerned.
    Thus, there is a move to vest foreigners, who have allegiance to their native homelands, with full voting rights as soon as they land in the western nation of their choice.

    As The Economist proposed it, western politicians will enact it.

  433. Anonymous[392]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    (Sidenote: Proto-Celts were probably native ancient European stock, who mixed in with the newcomers to create the historical Celts).

    Interesting point. Intuitively, the Celts do give off a somewhat non-Indo-European vibe, and it is undisputed that Western Europe was already settled before the first Indo-Europeans arrived.

    As well, the earliest Indo-European arrivals in Western Europe (ancestors of the later Celts) would have encountered 按比例 much greater numbers of old indigenous Europeans and thus absorbed more cultural, linguistic and genetic influence at an early stage. Subsequent waves of Indoeuropeans would have strengthened the Indo-European linguistic heritage but probably had less impact on the culture and genetics of the (now more numerous) early creole population.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  434. Anonymous[259]• 免责声明 说:
    @Bork

    对不起,伙计。

    If this fantasy scenario of yours ever had legs, you can bet your boots that the EU, NATO, the UN and of course, good ‘ol Kamala run US of A would ruthlessly militarily intervene to punish the ethnic Swedes and defend the darkies.

    Just like they did in Serbia, in fact.

    • 回复: @Bork
  435. mark green 说:
    @Chinaman

    Why does the US NEED to fight a war with China? How will the US (especially the commenters here) benefit from such a war?

    This is a very good question, particularly since it is the US–not China–that has, for over a century, amassed a shameful if not unparalleled record of reckless and deadly military interventions worldwide.

    Powerful, industrial, advanced, democratic America has slaughtered (often unnecessarily) millions of civilians 整个星球。

    我们还没有完成。

    USA! USA! We’re Number One! USA!

    Yet, to this day, leading American thinkers and tastemakers routinely discuss waging still more wars of choice (even nuclear exchanges) as if they were a chess or video game. 高贵的义务 任何人吗?

    不再。

    Question: shouldn’t all this pro-war chatter be viewed (at the very least) as a form of bad manners?

    After all, isn’t the advocacy of mass murder way over yonder just a bit much?–even for freedom-loving USA?

    What if we managed to find a way to treat the advocacy of aggressive war in the same way that we do ‘hate speech’?

    After all, ‘hate speech’ (in America) is merely the use of insulting nicknames (‘slurs’, the custodians of discourse tell us). Today’s now-unforgivable words certain, delicate (and protected) minorities. Oh my!

    The entire brouhaha however involves nothing more than (once protected by the First Amendment, but no longer.) Words. Ideas. What makes them so god-awful threatening?

    These speech restrictions function as a backdoor assault on free expression. The campaign is being spearheaded by the usual suspects. Yes, shocking.

    They amass more power as we lose more.

    Meanwhile, casual chit chat about what it would take for nuke-heavy America to 歼灭 a (historically non-aggressive) economic rival surely poses an even graver danger to public safety as nuclear war would inevitably endanger hundreds of millions of civilians. Doesn’t that make sense?

    With that in mind, shouldn’t Zio-America’s propensity for military violence be taken as seriously as some civilian in a bar using the N-word?

    似乎是这样。

    When a culture 规格化 warmongering (preemptive mass murder) isn’t it possible that such talk enhances the possibility of high-tech mega-barbarism?

    Common sense suggests so.

    So why isn’t 渴望 considered offensive by the custodians of public discourse?

    America’s speech monitors are constantly haranguing deplorable Whites for their unbearably bad attitudes. But it’s not the uncouth guys in pickups who possess nuclear missiles. That business is reserved for the Harvard crowd.

    Meanwhile, America declines. Drip drip drip. But its trillion-dollar war machine sloshes forward.
    Aggressively. No matter how embarrassing their track record, the Washington’s pro-Zionist hawks never leave town.

    We are left with this: the geniuses who dominate public discourse in America would rather protect 感情 of feral negros and LGBTQ oddballs than the lives of millions of civilians living far far away in lands which pose no existential threat to the average American.

    奇怪。

    生病。

  436. utu 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thanks. I will read the links. Here is 2015 review of his book in WSJ.

    Peace at All Costs
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/peace-at-all-costs-1435849728

    Cooperation spirals are supposed to replace escalations of conflict with escalations of concessions, designed to increase trust and defuse tensions—a “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” doctrine dressed up in new jargon. There are always five neat steps in Mr. Goldstein’s program, whatever the dispute, with alternating concessions from each side until peace is finally achieved. Notably, it’s always China’s back that must be scratched first.

    And so, for instance, since it is impractical and inconvenient for the U.S. to maintain military support for Taiwan and still hope for compromise with China, the Taiwanese should be handed over to Beijing’s control regardless of what the island might have to say about it. And because China has demonstrated such restraint in Hong Kong, observers should believe in the efficacy of the “one country, two systems” policy. Tibet is similarly to be abandoned, and meetings between the Dalai Lama and the U.S. president should cease.

    And if that’s not enough, South Korea is also to see a withdrawal of U.S. troops and North Korea is to be given diplomatic recognition. China is to receive a lifting of sanctions on high-tech exports, an end to the arms embargo, support for its claims to the Spratly Islands, joint jurisdiction over the Senkaku Islands, and half the mineral wealth beneath the South China Sea. All in the name of getting along.

  437. @Chinaman

    – Given that 7 of the 10 bloodiest wars in history took place in China,
    I´m willing to concede them a little experience.
    – The above intellectual property belongs to someone else – there´s a reason the Japanese still venerate the uniform of Gen. Nogi – but I see your point.
    按照 马歇尔 and Gen. Patton this is not the way war 应该 be fought;
    and Clausewitz said in the end quantity always wins, because it alone can be raised indefinitely – the latter point no longer favors USrael (though it was enough to beat Germany and Japan).

  438. utu 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    More I read him more I think he is unfit. A snowflake. His arguments to drop Taiwan are desperate. He has no scruples to resolve to emotional blackmail in his argument to lay off Taiwan. Remember that he mentioned that Taiwan was the baddie in WWII because it was on the side of bad Japan. Here he says that if we do not give Taiwan to China we won’t have money to fight the climate change. Is he talking to kindergartens kid about Taiwan too? If we insist on protecting Taiwan there will be Santa. Don’t you see something wrong in that picture? He is a desperate advocate of a specific cause. He is not an analysts. I doubt if he should be teaching American cadets in a naval academy. Taiwanese National Security Bureau should take a closer look.

    How progressives and restrainers can unite on Taiwan and reduce the potential for conflict with China
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/04/17/how-progressives-and-restrainers-can-unite-on-taiwan-and-reduce-the-potential-for-conflict-with-china/

    First, progressives jumping on the neo-liberal bandwagon should realize that they are creating almost irreparable damage to U.S.-China relations. Not only will military support for Taiwan fuel a multi-trillion dollar arms race with ever more destabilizing weaponry, for example hypersonic missiles, but this new weaponry will inevitably siphon off massive resources from other, more worthy priorities, such as the creaking American public health and transit systems. Moreover, progressives who believe that climate change is the most pressing global problem will be distressed to see that Washington and Beijing are increasingly at loggerheads and thus completely unable to cooperate against this dire common threat to the planet.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
    , @showmethereal
  439. Rich 说:
    @Badger Down

    Read about what happened after the US left Vietnam. Check out the horror stories about internment camps and reeducation, listen to the stories of the refugees. The US was there protecting Asians. You’ve got it all wrong, but that’s not uncommon nowadays. Communists brought terror, real terror, everywhere they went. Looks like a new generation might have to learn that.

  440. The dumbest article I read this year. Now let me argue this statement.
    Starting with the title that says “An Expert Military Analysis” and the article is not an analysis, it is not made by a real soldier and the level of expert is imaginary.
    The article lists some real or imaginary weaknesses of the US position in relation to China.
    An analysis made by a real expert would have reviewed the strengths and weaknesses of the USA, CHINA and the allies.
    Of course, China’s position seems strong if you list only the weaknesses of the United States. But if you also list the weaknesses of China + the strengths of the USA the result of the analysis would be exactly the opposite. For example, on the one hand, the “expert” says that the war will be short. On the other hand, he says that the USA has no industrial capacity. For a short war you do not need industrial capabilities, weapons in warehouses are enough.
    For a long war, the United States has far more human and material resources than China. China is practically suffocated by the lack of raw materials, starting with oil, gas and ending with food.
    But it is useless to detail. I’m not a fan of America but I still try to reason lucidly and realistically. 90% of the comments are made by anti-American fanatics with whom one cannot reason logically.
    Everyone repeats the mantra with Vietnam that defeated the USA.
    In reality, North Vietnam defeated South Vietnam. America had been gone for 2 years from Vietnam when North Vietnam was victorious.
    All the time United States was in Vietnam it crushed every Vietnamese army it encountered. The United States would have easily occupied Hanoi and hung all Vietnamese communists at second Nuremberg, but that would have meant war with China and then nuclear war with Russia. So SUA retreated from Vietnam. Now China has a new enemy – Vietnam. SUA wins.
    SUA will lose in the long run because american society will make an implosion prety soon.
    If you want to be fair Russia + China + Vietnam have defeated the USA.

  441. Rich 说:
    @Deep Thought

    After Operation Linebacker, the NVA were defeated. Driven into holes in the North while the communist leadership crawled to Paris begging for peace. The NVA never won a major battle against the Americans, although they were a decently trained fighting force.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  442. Antiwar7 说:
    @Rich

    And that’s why we had to murder and torture them instead? Which is what the US did on a vast scale there. Operation Phoenix?

  443. Smith 说:
    @Deep Thought

    Ah you again.

    Yes, USSR GRANTED to China,plenty of aids, support and even lands. Without the USSR, no PRC.

    And how did China repay them? By teaming up with the USA to destroy them. A student killing his teacher, one of the worst sins in Confucian value.

    Also, Ho Chi Minh asked for help from all over the world to liberate his people, not just from the USA (CIA), but also from China and the USSR, while Pol Pot was supported by the CIA, China and ASEAN, to terrorize his own people near the border of Thailand.

    @丰富

    Yeah, they cried so much for peace that it’s the americans who get the fuck out in 72, just like the chinks in ’79, not worth it they say.

    This is why Vietnam is great, to this day it makes both USA and China butthurt by its mere history.

    While chinks celebrate their “victory” in Korea, Korea was divided in half and the status quo maintained, meanwhile the NVA went on to liberate and unify Vietnam.

    As I said, pan-Asian unity can only be achieved by having true history told.

    On the talk of China “soft power”, we already see the manifestation of it today. GOG, a Polish company, bans the sale of Devotion, just because chink “gamers” complain that it makes fun of Winnie the Pooh and mainland chinks.

    https://nichegamer.com/2020/12/16/gog-pull-out-of-selling-chinese-blacklisted-devotion-hours-after-developer-announcement/

    It seems in the future, we will only be able to play games that are approved in Chinese market. And it’s not even chinks, this is all capitalist fatcats who only want profits by wanting to appease the chink market.

    • 回复: @Deep Thought
  444. anonymous[370]• 免责声明 说:
    @nokangaroos

    Half the Taiwanese lean towards China,

    And those are all the geriatrics with one foot in the grave…The younger generation is overwhelmingly pro-globohomo, anti-racist, totally into hip hop culture, totally in favor of gay rights, and very open to immigration from Southeast Asia, hence the larger number of Filipino and Indonesian nannies and domestic workers….Taiwan is the most gay-friendly, immigrant-friendly, super-feminist nation in Asia, with 90-day visa-on-arrival travel opportunities for citizens of the American Empire. Just look at the frizzy-haired mayor of Gaoxiong and don’t tell me she doesn’t remind you of an SJW who could’ve walked out of a Berkeley dorm. That’s to say nothing of their first female President, Lady Cai, who made a point of apologizing to the native people for the Chinese occupation, something more characteristic of white liberals than of Han Chinese. But Taiwan was never Chinese – it was occupied by native Polynesian-related peoples before Japan took over and developed it. It was a mosquito-infested, typhoon-prone, earthquake-afflicted, inhospitable empty island that nobody cared about until Japan actually poured its sweat and labor to make it a place worth living. Han only walked in after the Japanese did the hard work of building up its infrastructure and establishing a government there – it’s only fitting that the Generalissimo would flee to a Japanese colony after resisting Japan – and a good portion of the older Han still identify as Japanese, which adds another layer of complexity to its anti-China orientation (which many Westerners here won’t know unless they’ve spent time there). Japanese tourists always visit Taiwan to get the Chinese experience and stay away from mainland China, which practically doesn’t exist if you were to watch Japanese media all day, unless there’s a need for an organized crime syndicate. The Japanese graciously renounced claims to it, and that’s only after being sadistically nuked and then occupied by America. If anything, the USA really deserves credit for making Taiwan become a part of China in any meaningful sense at all.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @last straw
  445. anonymous[370]• 免责声明 说:
    @nokangaroos

    Just to clarify, before I get harassed by phony Chinese nationalist trolls… there were multiple waves of Han to Taiwan – the “pro-China” group is related to the people that the Generalissimo brought with him from the mainland as he ran away like a baby, so they are basically transplanted mainlanders – but the earliest wave went there when it was a Japanese colony – that cohort of Chinese, to the extent it’s still alive, still identifies as Japanese and has very fond memories of the Japanese administration. Hence, the Taiwan have a positive image of Japan and are inoculated against CCP anti-Japanese brainwashing, unlike the mainlanders, who get 24-hour diet of anti-Japan blood libel media, complete with savage, barbarian Japanese soldiers barking nonsensical gibberish while randomly stabbing anything that moves with a bayonet…Does China care to stop its relentless blood libel and lies about Japan? No, they gladly push it to give their naive brainwashed masses a common enemy and to avoid the psychological pain of having been routed, defeated, and completely occupied within (what? a week?) – big bad China turned out to be a 纸老虎 when Japanese marched in and took over the whole country (and all of Asia in fact, kicking out the white people who never belonged there). What happened to the vaunted Chinese IQ? But of course they’d rather tell themselves that the Japanese were genocidal meanies who don’t play by the rules. They are like activist Jews constantly making up lurid horror stories related to a made-up Nanjing shoah and who try to guilt and shame the Japanese. And the bitchy Chinese and Koreans have the gall to get mad when Japanese leaders honor their ancestors and war dead, as any Confucian society would do…Shame, China, Shame….

    • 同意: utu, nokangaroos
  446. God's Fool 说:
    @annamaria

    你的意思是“单词”而不是“口音”吗,dahling?

    回到 zhe Fräulein 的学校!

  447. Jordan 说:
    @idealogus

    I agree with everything you just said. I found this site a week ago and the amount of demoralization propaganda on here shocked me. Many posters on here actively put America down, take the side of China in China vs America discussions and completely ignore American strengths while acting like China is some sort of supernatural behemoth that can easily defeat America. You don’t see this defeatist subservient mentality even from the left. The American military is the strongest on earth, by far and China does not even come close.

    I suspect many of the pro China posters on here have been paid by the CCP. If that’s the case, I would hope a federal investigation awaits them.

    • 哈哈: Daniel Chieh
  448. Chinaman 说:
    @mark green

    Most commenters here like to blame the state of things in America on the elites or Jews but as we can see on this thread, this is demonstrably untrue.

    Americans like wars. They like winning them, like the fire and blood.

    It is pure adrenalin to think that your country (and by extension, you) have the capability to kill billions by bombing the three gorge dams, even though they might be nobody in real life.

    It is intoxicating to wield power over the lives of lesser mortals- to watch those Chinaman fear and despair- It is power of the gods.

    This is what it is about.

    Anyway, like I have said many times on UNZ…We are not some turban wearing Afghan or some Australian Aboriginal that is just going to roll over and let you slaughter us.

    We can have a go at it but you guys need to take it seriously- Americans need to understand that they and their loved ones are going to die. We will all die.

    *WATCH THIS VIDEO* It is not some Hollywood BS, it actually happened in 1937.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Sihang_Warehouse

    This is what you guys are against.

    来吧。

    • 同意: Badger Down
    • 谢谢: SeekerofthePresence
  449. Chinaman 说:
    @Rich

    Protecting Asians?

    Fuck you! This is what you motherfuckers left behind. I really wish you are in front of me right now so I can teach you some history.

    • 同意: Badger Down
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  450. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Damn, I always forget that the nationalist chink troops were trained by the germans, they look exactly like germans.

    I only wish Vietnam becomes richer in the future so we have the money for these war films. Wouldn’t mind a big budget one for Vietnam vs Mongols, Le Loi revolution, Tay Son troop vs Qing army, Bien Dien Phu, Tet Offensive and Dien Bien Phu on Air, and a trilogy of the 78-79 era of invasion against Pol Pot while defending the North against Deng Xiaoping.

    • 回复: @Chinaman
  451. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    He just explained how the “communist” liberation happened in the first place and you go right back into describing how muh battles went, forgetting war is more than just battle.

    As expected from a low IQ, zombified amerimutt golem. You are the perfect specimen.

    • 回复: @Rich
  452. HeebHunter 说:
    @Chinaman

    Fun Fact 1: until Vietnamese pushed for it after the war, the AMERIMUTTS had denied compensation for the logistic soldiers who handled the barrels and even bathed in it after being told they were just funny water, just rinse the barrels once (they might not have even warned them otherwise) and go crazy.

    Fun Fact 2: Agent Orange was sprayed exclusively in the South. Google the deployment map of Agent Orange. Like two drops were dropped on the North, but the South were COMPLETELY saturated outside the cities. So that means mostly sprayed on civilians and muttt soldiers.

    wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

    If there was a holohoax, it was on amerimutts.
    These subhumans are so stupid, they fight for scum who don’t see them as countrymen and never have their interests in mind.

    • 谢谢: Chinaman
    • 回复: @nokangaroos
  453. HeebHunter 说:
    @Jordan

    Investigation for what? For not agreeing to enter a war so the Chinese can be forced to enjoy the wonders of homosexual liberalism, so young men can force the Chinese to experience the wonder of man on man anal sex?

    “I will call upon the feds to imprison these dirty anti war goyim, folks”

    This is what you literally said. I say you know what, bring it on, you mulatto shitface.

    So when you are on your way to retreat, the people of the world will storm your embassies and slit your throats. We already have quite a few targets ourselves.

  454. annamaria 说:
    @Rich

    You belong to the Soros/ZUSA army. Live with that. https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1997/eirv24n33-19970815/eirv24n33-19970815_004-asian_leaders_expose_george_soro.pdf

    Over the month of July, speculator George Soros, as well as individuals associated with the Bush political apparatus in the Republican Party, have been directly exposed for both financial crimes, and for overt and covert criminal subversions of sovereign states in the region. Malaysia’s Foreign Minister Abdullah Badawi, addressing the foreign ministers conference at the annual ministerial meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Malaysia on July 28, called the speculative June and July attacks on Southeast Asian currencies, led by Soros, the “height of international criminality. . . . It is time that we recognize these actions for what they really are, namely, villainous acts of sabotage.”

    More on the idiotic policies of supremacist Kissinger & Co and their destruction of the American middle class: https://thesaker.is/why-china-is-not-the-enemy-of-the-west-why-british-psychological-warfare-must-now-be-examined/

    The ultimate target is China. The British are particularly worried about the increasingly close collaboration between China and the ASEAN nations, which are being integrated into the massive regional and continental development projects initiated by China under the umbrella of the Eurasian Continental Land-Bridge program. Such real development policies offer the alternative to the cheap-labor, colonial-style export industries of the “globalization” model- the model that has led to the financial bubbles now bursting worldwide.

    “War is a racket” for the benefit of Banksters, mega war-profiteers, and the CEOs of large corporations.

    • 同意: Badger Down
  455. Hillbob 说:
    @Jordan

    I wish the elites and captains of US industry had the same fate in the US as you do, instead of eliminating hundreds of thousands of jobs in the USA and giving it to China. All in the name of free markets. Now the US is beaten at its own game, and cannot take the heat.
    Dont blame Americans who are impoverished and disgruntled , blame those whose pockets got fat with the largesse of cheap labor. Now they want war.
    Not unlike the little boy who stops the game and take away his ball because he is losing. Shame on you

    • 同意: annamaria
  456. Dad Vader 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Also, as to the economic impact on China, there is a prominent effort to develop the internal market in China so it is no longer so reliant on exports. As this progresses I see decreasing economic impact of such a war on China, but it will probably accelerate that growth of an indigenous market. The economic impact on the US would be very severe. A war would be absurd and destructive.

    • 回复: @Maowasayali
  457. annamaria 说:
    @idealogus

    “90% of the comments are made by anti-American fanatics with whom one cannot reason logically.”

    — You mean, it is antisemitic to criticize American policies abroad? Your vocabulary is straight from the ADL textbook.

    “For a long war, the United States has far more human and material resources than China.”

    — Have you read the article? The industrial base of the US has been bled to death by the globalists. The educational system in the US is in shambles. The Financial Squid has destroyed the unity of the country for the Squid’s immediate gains. And yet, here you come with your cheerleading slogans. The ‘deciders’ have made deadly decisions that need serious corrections. The US citizenry needs to wake up.

    By the way, do you still seriously support ‘humanitarian interventions’ and other “democracy on the march” and ‘regime-changing’ run by the US abroad? Considering the ongoing color revolution in the US, one can be more skeptical about the loss of limb & fortune in South Asia in the name of ‘fighting communism.’ It was American bankster Jacob Schiff who had successfully promoted the Bolshevik revolution in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century, thus almost destroying the Russian civilization. The US government has been under Trotskist’s influence for too long to pretend on being hostile to totalitarianism.

  458. @utu

    Would you say that is true also of his Russian analysis, which would allow one to make an inference on character rather than say, on special interest on China?

    Anyway, I think that if one accepts the premise that the US cannot afford a military loss at all(and therefore spending on military items on Taiwan is just wasted money), then I think his observations and positions are accurate to this idea.

    That said, the climate change competition for dollars is pretty immensely cringe as well as the entire “more worthy priorities.”

    • 回复: @utu
  459. Anonymous[114]• 免责声明 说:
    @Jordan

    The USA s anti-white. *VICIOUSLY* anti-white, in fact.
    It is the worldwide leader of anti-whiteism.

    It is not only legal and ‘moral’ to racially and sexually discriminate against white men in the USA, it is *OFFICIALLY* 鼓励。

    I, for one hate such a nation.

    Any white man who tacitly supports such a nation is damned stupid fucking shit for rains fool who deserves all that is coming for him.

  460. @idealogus

    On the other hand, he says that the USA has no industrial capacity. For a short war you do not need industrial capabilities, weapons in warehouses are enough.

    Logic this to me in a short war:

    1) Chinese hypersonic missiles outrange carrier aircraft range(massively, in some cases)
    2) China has overwhelming dominance for rocket range.
    3) Even if many or most incoming missiles are destroyed, this is only capital cost.
    4) Even if only one or few carriers are sunk, this is capital cost + human cost.
    5) In modern warfare, offense has always beat defense.

    The simple calculation of this highly favors China in home waters. This isn’t a nationalist argument, and I welcome any detractions(should also consider various other new elements of warfare that we’ve been seeing, especially in the Caucasuses, such as widespread use of drones and electronic warfare).

  461. Anonymous[114]• 免责声明 说:
    @idealogus

    In today’s world, the *只要* vital factor which causes victory to prevail in warfare is technology – everything else is bullshit, although I concede that governments might be too squeamish to allow the technological – and logical! – solution to some particularly noxious pests to be eradicated. One thinks, for example of that stupid drunken traitor/cunt Yeltsin being too cowardly to turn Chechnya to glass.

    Now – battlefield technology is purely a function of national IQ. Of course, the Han race has a notably higher typical IQ than the white European race, also a pool of 1.4 billion,by pure dint of statistics produces quite a number of genius level IQ persons. Of course, persons of Han heritage dominate the world’s STEM faculties ……. You see where this is going ?

    If China *选择* to go in for the world’s most adept doomsday weapons – weapons, which if needed could make the globe spin the other way, then rest assured that they will do it just as efficiently as they do in every other technological niche – electronics etc – they choose to master.

  462. denk 说:
    @Chinaman

    This thread is just the 冰山一角。

    I’ve been around and seen it all.
    Those who blame all their wars, their lies ,even their on the joos are the same ones who have no qualm ‘nuking China’, a country that have never raise a hand on USA, had in fact been at the receiving end since the day of Opium war/Eight nations alliance.

    [更多]

    Told them so long ago,
    Its the people stupid.
    That got me a 不受欢迎的人 status in both MSM alt media/
    iTS ok, IM not here for any popularity contest.

    What I hate most are those forked tongue, double speaking sobs infesting the alt media.

    If I learn anything during my long sojourn in altm,
    它的…
    YOu cant shame the shameless.
    The west is full of the species..shameless twits.

    You can floor them in this thread, or the next one, no matter, they will come back with the same shameless bleating on democracy, rule of law, the Right to Protect
    等等等等等等。

    They called Reagan the 特富龙 价格
    Well aint the other 44 potus cut from exactly the same cloth ?
    您从中得到什么 特富龙 people but 特富龙 prez ?
    Thats what centuries of impunity from justice gets you..
    A teflon people, the ultimate megalomaniacs.
    NUthin sticks.

    Harrod Pinter

    ‘It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest. The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis’

    These mofo have such a thick hide not even a du shell can punch thru.

    这个故事所讲的道德…
    You simply cant shame the shameless.

    They’ll be back for more of the same, just mark my words,.

    ‘We can have a go at it but you guys need to take it seriously- Americans need to understand that they and their loved ones are going to die. We will all die.’

    Those mofoking ptb in fukus have their ‘nuke proof’ bunkers ready, their think tank genius told them

    ‘A nuke exchange with China is winnable.

    这是秘密。
    We hit them by surprise, take out 95 % of their nukes.
    Their return fire would be neutralised by our ABM ringing them from Jeju to GUam,
    Even if some of it manage to get thru, we’d survive, there will be enuff serfs left behind to serve our’ daily needs, satisfaction guaranteed’

    YOu think those 精英 are mad ?
    There’r lots of end time born again enthusiasists in this thread alone.

    图表A.
    The way to white Renaissance

    Nuke the chicoms !
    https://www.unz.com/freed/an-expert-military-analysis-of-war-with-china/#comment-4347297

    PS
    With due respect to the thinking west,
    Sorry to say, but you’r now reduced to 1%,
    濒危物种。

    人机工程学,
    NO hope for a second rev.

    pssst….
    Get used to that mask.
    Its the new ‘normal’,
    [[[they]]] are even pushing it like some 别致 化妆品 加上.

    Coming next,….the mark of beast.

    The funny part, all these HIQ whiteys such as
    gawd’s fool the xtian nutjob, still cant figure out who’s his enemy.

    that mofo JOhn perfidious Derb says
    ‘Chine is the land of lies’

    Well USA must be the land of
    ‘HIQ’ idiots.

    呵呵呵呵

    • 谢谢: HeebHunter, Chinaman, dogbumbreath
  463. @Chinaman

    You know there was once a man, a colonel, who had a dream of irrigating the Sahara and turning it into farmland, giving jobs to millions of Africans, to raise Africans out of poverty and stop them from becoming boat people bound for Europe. And you know what happened to him, his country, and those great plants he got underway to realise his dream. Now China has the BRI dream of linking up Asian countries all the way to Europe to bring development and prosperity to many on the Asian continent. No I don’t think they’ll do to China what they did to Libya but you can be sure that they’ll try to wreck that BRI by any and all available means including wrecking many smaller and weaker countries along the way by means of wars.

    • 同意: HeebHunter, Tor597
    • 回复: @annamaria
  464. Chinaman 说:
    @Smith

    为什么越南人反对蒙古人? 这他妈的什么时候发生的?

    Why not a movie of Vietcong against the Americans? That’s David vs Goliath.

    你们应该制作一个像《无耻混蛋》这样的虚构作品,其中受橙剂影响的孩子们获得了超能力来向美国人报仇。 第一个场景是美莱大屠杀。

    But I am pretty sure you are a fake Viet now and just another forked tongue Jew. You don’t seem to feel anything for the millions of Vietnamese that American killed, the deformed agent orange babies or even My Lai….

    看到他们对我的亚洲呼吸做了什么让我热血沸腾。

    唯一的另一种可能是你确实是橙剂的受害者,这就是你如此愚蠢的原因。

    • 同意: Maowasayali, HeebHunter
  465. d dan 说:

    This thread is getting more and more weird everyday. It is probably a microcosm of American and the Western societies in general:

    1. First, you have ignorant commenters distorting Chinese battle tactics in Korea War – to make US’ defeat less humiliating.
    2. Then you have idiot commenters distorting the reasons and outcomes of Vietnam War – to make US involvement morally justified.
    3. Then you have some asshole commenters distorting the history and situation of Taiwan – to concoct reasons for US future war.
    4. Then you have some clown commenters dismissing every narratives as communist propaganda – to start psychological war against everyone they don’t like.
    5. Finally you have the boneheaded commenter calling for federal investigation to others – for what purpose – I can’t even guess.

    • 同意: Tdstype2
    • 回复: @Maowasayali
    , @Rich
  466. @HeebHunter

    Fun Fact 3:
    Agent Orange is a gibberelline derivate – in essence a plant hormone – that should not affect mammals (apart from the other problems of its use); BASF had already developed a process to produce it dioxin-free but it would have cost a few cents more per barrel.

  467. @mark green

    What if we managed to find a way to treat the advocacy of aggressive war in the same way that we do ‘hate speech’?

    Great idea, but unfortunately the people in China don’t have dark skin, certainly not dark enough to make them “niggers.”

    With that in mind, shouldn’t Zio-America’s propensity for military violence be taken as seriously as some civilian in a bar using the N-word?

    Again, great idea, but which Zio-American “N-word” did you have in mind: Niggers or Nazis?

    LOL

  468. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    “You have no idea how the war will work.”

    Of course no one knows the future,
    and war promises the unexpected.

    But failure to anticipate the opponent and course of battle guarantees defeat. It is the duty of every commander to anticipate war, the course of war, and its consequences. Every successful fighter knows this. This principle runs through the writings of victorious captains like Sun-tzu and Napoleon. The former says anticipation is a matter of life and death to the army. Or as Gordie Gekko quotes him in 华尔街 “Every battle is won before it is ever fought.”

    Sun-Tzu used to be taught at West Point. (Perhaps he is still read, but immediately forgotten.) If the US had followed his principles, no doubt its military record in recent decades would be much improved.

    Sun-Tzu’s first principle was to avoid war if at all possible. For this principle since Vietnam, and especially since 911, the US has shown nothing but contempt. Its repeated violation has brought disaster to much of the planet. The revolution in military technology in recent years, however, and renewal of Chinese and Russian economies, may turn the tables.

  469. last straw 说:
    @idealogus

    Forget about fighting. The U.S. cannot even procure enough PPEs in its own country. Expecting it to overcome the logistic problems to fight in China’s home turf 8,000 miles across the Pacific Ocean is probably delusional.

    • 哈哈: Hillbob
    • 回复: @anon
  470. last straw 说:
    @anonymous

    Most young Taiwanese do not want to fight China.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-taiwanese-youth-losing-appetite-for-fighting-china-2011dec01-story.html

    Even if they did, it does not matter. It’s 1.4 billion vs 23 million.

  471. Anonymous[114]• 免责声明 说:
    @Jordan

    As I am writing, the US Congress is fighting might and main to impose an new Act, the purpose of which is to facilitate the massive uncontrolled immigration of *百万* of subcons in order to take good high paying tech jobs in the USA – cushy jobs which should, by rights, go to American citizens, if those boneheads actually had the nous to do those jobs, or the brains to stop the cheap labor lobby from pulling the rug under their feet.
    But big business, which runs America and pays off congressmen like the 10 buck whores that they are, has other plans, and money talks.

    How can you be so fucking dumb as to support this system?

  472. annamaria 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    “No I don’t think they’ll do to China what they did to Libya but you can be sure that they’ll try to wreck that BRI by any and all available means including wrecking many smaller and weaker countries along the way by means of wars.”

    — Paradoxically, our only salvation is the inevitability of global death in a case of a nuclear exchange. Whether the use of a small nuclear device or a localized nuclear assault, their consequence will be a planetary conflagration with no hope for the survival of elites notwithstanding their money and influence. The nuclear sword knows no discrimination. This is why Russia and China are safe from the ZUSA cannibals.

    The enemy of humanity who did Iraq (Cheney, Bush, AIPAC) and Libya (Obama, Clinton, and Sarkozy) have a normal attachment to their progeny. While the ‘deciders’ do enjoy the death and suffering of children in small and weak countries, the ‘deciders’ are not able to comprehend that their murderous joy can turn on their progeny. There will be no one to cry for the incinerated small cheneys and bushes and clintons.

    • 同意: Hillbob
  473. @Chinaman

    看到他们对我的亚洲呼吸做了什么让我热血沸腾。

    Chinaman blood awrays boiling it seems…lol

    Was Chinaman concerned about his “Asian breathens” when he invade Vietnam, not even a decade after evil white Yankee leave?

    On January 1, 1979, Chinese Vice-premier Deng Xiaoping visited the United States for the first time and told American president Jimmy Carter: “The little child is getting naughty, it’s time he got spanked.”

    On 6 March, China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved. On the way back to the Chinese border, the PLA destroyed all local infrastructure and housing and looted all useful equipment and resources (including livestock), severely weakening the economy of Vietnam’s northernmost provinces.

    The official Nhân Dân newspaper claimed that Vietnam suffered more than 100,000 civilian deaths during the Chinese invasion

  474. @Chinaman

    LOL…Chinaman movies all realristic, unlike Horrywood BS.

    Keep talking shit, rice dick. It’s high comedy.

  475. utu 说:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Character rather than special interest? Possible.

  476. @Bork

    The majority of new born children are now non-whites – but whites still are the overall most population in the US. White life expectancy has been dropping though so it might happen fairly soon. Interestingly – most of the growth is Hispanic. The black population isn’t growing much in the US. A little – but not much. The Asian population is growing percentage wise but it still isn’t that big. Indians will probably be the biggest Asian group soon if they aren’t already. If the next generation Hispanics get political then they will push out Blacks and Asians. It will be “their” country.

    • 回复: @Bork
  477. God's Fool 说:
    @Chinaman

    “看到他们对我的亚洲呼吸做了什么让我热血沸腾。”

    你的热血是否也为维吾尔人和藏人沸腾? 他们也有 Epicanthal 褶皱……

    • 同意: another fred
    • 巨魔: showmethereal
    • 回复: @Chinaman
  478. Jordan 说:

    I’d like to see any of you pro China posters defend this act of barbarism. This is part of the yearly Yu Lin festival where man’s best friend is massacred in numbers. You got to sign in to YouTube to view the video since it’s too graphic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxrlTWxbTs&feature=youtu.be

  479. “看到他们对我的亚洲呼吸做了什么让我热血沸腾。”

    你的热血是否也为维吾尔人和藏人沸腾? 他们也有 Epicanthal 褶皱……

    Looking at the CCP treatment to Uighurs vs US occupation in Vietnam, even a heartless bastard would agree the Vietnamese had it much worse:

    Xianjiang 2019:

    Vietnam War :

  480. Hillbob 说:
    @Jordan

    We should be concerned about ALL animals butchered if the sanctity of animal life is your thing. Lets see your list for the kosher and non kosher
    BTW any tears for the babies and children that your beloved country murdered and murders directly and indirectly?
    Gosh, you are so stupid

    • 同意: showmethereal
  481. @elmerfudzie

    But if the smarter talent is overseas – what do you expect the companies to do???

  482. @Daniel Chieh

    “A Force So Swift” was a pretty good read.. Almost as good as “China Hands”. When I say good – meaning they are good at detailing how much the US has tried to sabotage and bring down the CPC and later the PRC for many decades now. It didn’t start under Trump – or even Reagan. Though those two have been the most rabid since Nixon’s trip to China.

  483. @utu

    First problem for you is to understand is there is no “Taiwan Security Bureau”. They are officially called the Republic of China.
    And it’s an unfinished civil war which is not the US business… Even still – while the US has stuck it’s nose in there for a long time – here is the OFFICIAL statement from the US in the Joint Commiques for which the US should have stuck to – which reads: “all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China”
    Unless the US advocates for Confederates to change their mind about remaining in the Union – then it shouldn’t just change like the breeze.

    • 同意: d dan
  484. Smith 说:
    @Chinaman

    Dude, educate yourself, you don’t know that the Mongols invaded Vietnam’s Tran dynasty and Vietnam defeated them not one time but 3 times?

    真的吗?

    And I mentioned the Tet Offensive, which was one of the biggest offensive against americans by both Vietcong and the NVA, it failed but left deep wound to the americans, and leaving them no chance of victory, and of course Dien Bien Phu on air where we resist the Operation Rolling Thunder (with chinese troops help of course). Why make superhero bullshit when you can have movies about real battles and wars?
    And yes, I’m mad about Agent Orange too, that one deserves many documentaries but I always prefer victorous war stories than sob stories.

    You yourself post a clip of chinks vs japs, Asian vs Asian, just the same as viet vs chinks or viet vs japs or viet vs mongols. All those things happened and these stories should be told.

    And no, brothers and all, it doesn’t change history, amerimutt are not the only ones who invade Vietnam, chinks did, mongols did, japs did, Khmer did, the French did and even Champa, our history is not only the Vietnam-American war.
    Pan-Asian unity can only be achieved by having history told so it shouldn’t be repeated.

  485. Joe Wong 说:
    @Just another serf

    It seems you have not learnt anything from the disaster when South America gold overflooded Spanish empire. It caused hyper inflation in Spain and made the Spanish Empire collapse. Injecting that much gold into the US definitely will lite up a hyperinflation fire bomb in the US in the blink of an eye, and cause the US to collapse faster than the collapse of the Spanish Empire.

    Are you sure you are not a mole planted in the US by the Chinese?

  486. Biff 说:
    @dogbumbreath

    Art of War was written over 2 millenia ago…times change, enemies change.

    很确定 没什么 has changed. If Jesus were alive today they would nail him to another cross – in fact – where do you find the truth tellers and major influencers of today? In Belmarsh prison maybe, or in exile?

  487. Rich 说:
    @d dan

    Did your public school teacher give you a B+ for repeating all the BS she told you?

    1 S Korea is a free, prosperous nation because the US and its allies joined together to prevent the invading communists from conquering it. How in heaven’s name is that a defeat?

    2 Your ridiculous misunderstanding of the Vietnam War is typical of poorly educated modern Westerners. You’re an embarrassment and don’t even realize it. Maybe that’s for the best.

    • 回复: @last straw
    , @d dan
  488. Chinaman 说:
    @God's Fool

    不,它没有。 他们是恐怖分子,由中央情报局支付费用。 在您发现冲突的任何地方,您都会发现其背后的白人或犹太人。

    他们是土耳其穆斯林,笨蛋。 就像美国人在中东杀死的成百上千人一样。

    • 同意: Tdstype2
    • 回复: @God's Fool
  489. Tdstype2 说:
    @d dan

    The “human wave” folklore was already entrenched, like The so called June 4th TAM massacre. Don’t expect too many people to be able to shed it off.

    • 回复: @last straw
  490. @anonymous

    The Han from Fujian were already the dominant group when Japan took the island from the Qing… Yes it’s true Japan developed it — but the majority of people by that time were already Han from Fujian. And yes after the Japanese took over – there were those who became fond of them – but just as many hated them too.
    But you are correct in most of what you said – especially about the young Taiwan people becoming westernized.

    • 同意: d dan
  491. Chinaman 说:
    @Jordan

    The usual tu quoque.

    I won’t defend it and I hope all these dog eaters go to hell after we send them as suicide bombers against you and your family.

    Alternatively, instead of dog meat, I am pretty sure some of them will developed a penchant for you obese Americans. Higher fat content. Wagyu Americans preferably to dog meat.

    Personally, I am a bit too effete for all that but what you really need to contemplate is whether the snowflakes, trannies and drugheads in America today have what it takes to go against the raw savage phenotypes of chinaman who will eat you (or anything) to survive.

    Now, do you want to talk about war or are we switching topics to talk about climate change and saving animals ? Knew you were just a treehugger talking big.

    • 回复: @GeneralRipper
  492. God's Fool 说:
    @Chinaman

    你的亚洲兄弟废话太多了……

    • 巨魔: d dan
  493. Seraphim 说:
    @Anonymous

    The ‘Celts’ were the the ‘natives’ of the North-Western Europe, were definitely ‘Indo-European’ before any Eastern invasions, and they expanded towards Central and Eastern Europe in successive waves. The invaders from the East were ‘Siberian’, or rather ‘Uralo-Altaics’. The theory of the ‘Kurgan’ origins of IE is increasingly discredited and it survives especially in the sequels of ‘The Myth of the Twentieth Century’.
    But archeology reveals contacts between Eastern Europe and China at the Copper Age level already.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  494. @anonymous

    Your comment is nonsensical… There was nothing “big and bad” about China when Japan invaded. It was falling apart at the seams for decades already….
    And all of Asia from Korea down to the Philippines would say the Japanese were bloodthirsty. Be serious.
    The reason why in China and Japan there are still the anti Japanese sentiments is that for the people of South East Asia – they are not neighbors of Japan and did not have the built in centuries of issues. The Japanese tried to invade Korea centuries ago and were known as pirates back when Chinese dynasties were really “big and bad”. Only syncophats in Taiwan “appreciated” Japanese rule. You forget that the people rose up and formed the Republic of Formosa when the QIng emperor signed over Taiwan to Japan. They did NOT want to be a part of Japan. The Japanese in their usual brutal efficiency took care of that.

    What were you a US Marine who was stationed in Japan and visited Taiwan a few times??? The people you spoke to were most likely have Japanese as we know what Japanese do to women when they conquered a territory. This is what the Japanese elite really think about Taiwan. They look at here as a whore for US interests and still a play thing for them. IT pathetic DPP wanted to brush it under the rug (those are the half Japanese) while the KMT spoke up. Stop white washing:

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2018/09/683_255389.html

    • 回复: @anonymous
  495. @Chinaman

    就我个人而言,我对这一切都有些太过分了,但你真正需要考虑的是,今天美国的雪花、变性人和毒枭是否有能力对抗会吃掉你(或任何东西)的中国人的原始野蛮表型生存。

    I really think you’ve been hanging around niggers too long, chink. You’re starting to mimic their prodigious shit talking skills.

    日本人,现在有了一个真正强大而有价值的对手。 越南人也可以这样说。

    Chinese Military Greatness is about two cunt hairs above the Negro…lol

    • 同意: Jordan
    • 回复: @Anon99
    , @showmethereal
  496. Rich 说:
    @HeebHunter

    “Communist liberation”? Are you making a joke? Is that the same as a “tall short guy with blondish black hair”? Is it like that free hour they give you to walk the the yard at Dannemora State prison? And you with that funny nickname, too. You’re a riot.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Anon
  497. last straw 说:
    @Jordan

    While the barbarism is indefensible, and China needs legislation for animal welfare urgently, I would like to remind you that millions of pets in the U.S. (I don’t know the situation in Europe) are abandoned and die a slow, terrible death every year.

  498. last straw 说:
    @Rich

    I thought the discussion was about military defeat. Vietnam is still a poor country, it does not mean it did not defeat France and the U.S.

    • 回复: @Rich
  499. last straw 说:
    @Tdstype2

    Nobody in their right mind would use “human-wave” after WW1. Trench warfare after WW1 became maneuvering warfare. The U.S./U.N. forces were beaten by China’s maneuvering tactics. They invented this “human wave” charade to cover up their own incompetency.

  500. @mark green

    Why does the US NEED to fight a war with China? How will the US (especially the commenters here) benefit from such a war?

    This is a very good question, particularly since it is the US–not China–that has, for over a century, amassed a shameful if not unparalleled record of reckless and deadly military interventions worldwide.

    “Nations that are incompatible within themselves gain peace within themselves through outward wars.”

    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), German philosopher

    • 同意: niceland
  501. anon[213]• 免责声明 说:
    @last straw

    In the past, rural young white people were integral to the US armed forces. They were really the only ones both intelligent enough & in need of a decent job to be willing to volunteer.

    The last 10 years Hillary & Biden have been calling them deplorable. They invented the phrase. Bush was a good old boy who could work on their patriotism with a few photo ops of him raking leaves at his ranch but Hillary & Biden openly detest them & every young rural white is aware that the East Coast elites & certainly someone like Harris utterly detests them.

    So when AOC wants them to die for her, are they really going to get worked up? Bush at least could pretend to be a good old boy you might want to have a beer with. Photo ops of AOC down at her local “bodega” doing a line of cocaine with some Cholos is going to rouse the rural whites into dying on the frigid Manchurian front?

    Which African-American is patriotic enough to serve these days? They’ve been burning down the recruiting centers in major cities.

    If the CCP invaded the US, a good number of Marxist-drivel inspired Leftist would fight on their side.

    Unless we are talking about nuclear war, what we need is an army of about 20 million young people who are willing to die on the frozen wastes of Northern China.

    Meanwhile Gen Z, a collection of slobbering porn-addicted video game addicts are going to leap up to enlist.

    这真可笑。

    We were in Afghanistan for 20 years. Let us compare the USA 20 years ago that Bush assumed presidency of with the USA today. They seem positively halcyon.

    If drafted, the Gen Z rubes would probably all mass OD on Opoids in protest.

    Also, a war with China does zero for (THEM! THEY!) so they have no dog in that hunt. You can expect (THOSE) to start organizing the campus protests once again.

    Why would China want to invade the USA? Australia sells them all the raw minerals they can use. The USA offers them nothing but a recalcitrant population of minorities, some crumbling rust belt factories, a contiguous Third World country that competes with their heroin suppliers, no public transport.

    On the subject of Hispanics, most of the rubes & hicks would be unaware of the relationship between the ethnic Chinese merchant class & the dwindling Spanish-blooded landowning class in the Philippines but it has been rocky…multiply that by 10,000 when Chinese try to deal with the Mestizos in the USA.

    • 同意: Chinaman
  502. @Smith

    Ho Chi Minh asked for help from all over the world to liberate his people, not just from the …, but also from China

    And the viets bite the hand that feed it the most.

    USSR GRANTED to China, plenty of aids, support and even lands

    The Russian state stole the most land from China– both before and after the formation of the USSR.

    Imperial Russia ganged up with other imperialists and militarist countries against China when the latter was weak and extracted huge amount of money from China.

    In viciousness to the Chinese people, the Russians were only second to the Japs.

    What kind of “support” are these?

    By teaming up with the USA to destroy them. A student killing his teacher, one of the worst sins in Confucian value.

    Brezhnev attempted to “team up with the USA” to nuke China but his proposal was rejected– by Nixon, I think. A “teacher” like that deserves to be killed by his student. No Confucian teacher would do such a thing. viet teachers probably do that kind of thing regularly.

    The USSR was not destroyed by China or anyone. Gorbachev was so stupid that he pushed the self-destruct button of the USSR and Deng blamed him for doing precisely that– Deng’s China was quite fond of the USSR under Gorbachev but not the one under Brezhnev.

    Without the USSR, no PRC.

    Without the friendship of, and support given by, China, the USSR was no more. Why should anyone be surprised that Putin now turns to China, although initially he too tried to join the white West? Like his predecessors, Putin wanted Russia to join the West where almost all Russians traditionally believed they truly belong.

    By the way, what had nam done to save the USSR you feel it owned so much to???

    • 回复: @Smith
  503. @Dad Vader

    China’s internal economy will fare better than America’s is also my estimation.

    If nothing else, China’s population is homogeneous and united. The Chinese would regard it as a ‘do-or-die’ existential threat if the war was brought to their home turf. This cannot be said for the Americans.

    Just before the start of WW2 America was 99% white and homogenous and the negro was just an afterthought. But today, on the eve of WW3, negroes have been granted special status by the Jews.

    How many of them would join Uncle Sam’s Army to die for ebil whitey? How long can they be placated when the shelves at Walmart are empty and their EBT cards are useless?

    Look out the window: they’re already rioting in the streets.

  504. HeebHunter 说:
    @Jordan

    Lol, you State Department retards ACTUALLY think people here give a damb about muh animal cruelty?

    Is this the end of your wit? You should call that self proclaimed kike genius Frau Taubman to help you gain more perspectives on how to attack China with propaganda.

    Or just stick to the organ trafficking hologoax fairy tale. The cotton picking farce was nice too. But muh pets is just so 2000s.

    • 回复: @Jordan
  505. @utu

    The Chinese ones have control over their country, while the american counterparts have absolute zero power or control. Reduced to the unz review as the last place to even be able to freely talk about their predicament.

    Kinda sad.

  506. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    It is obvious you are either a dishonest shill or a typical illiterate amerimutt ZOGbot.
    Which is understandable.
    我写:
    “Communist” Liberation.
    The communist part was the ironic part, mmkay?
    The other poster factually posted how Amerimutt stupidity pushed the then to be Supreme Leader of Vietnam right into the Combloc because “those jungle gooks are not humans and don’t deserve to be equal”. Then the rest is history. Vietnam renunited, communism dropped and they will never let the mutts erect a single base there. Ever again. Also RCEP was theirs idea too, amerimutts not invited.

    Mmkay? Your braincells not overheated anymore, muttling?

    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
  507. @MarkinLA

    该死,我以为你是一个更冷静、更聪明的匿名者。

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @MarkinLA
  508. anonymous[370]• 免责声明 说:
    @d dan

    赢得一个公民的心比赢得一个外国人重要 10 倍

    Nice cope for the fact that that China simply CAN’T win the hearts and minds of foreigners. Whatever cultural achievement China has to offer is the legacy of its ancient past. And even that is something Chinese are not willing to share, simply because of their racism, insecurity, and arrogance. Take, for instance, the language. Many foreigners would love to learn Chinese characters and study the Chinese language. That is a potential tool for building soft power. But Chinese people are too arrogant to speak Chinese beyond a beginner level to any foreigner learning their language. And they take advantage of cross-cultural and language exchanges to improve their English, hardly ever to help the curious foreigner learn about China or learn Chinese. China produces no culture worthy of study – no movies worth watching, no books worth studying and reading, no philosophy worth pondering. Everything they produce is a knock-off or imitation of something others did. This is in contrast to Japan, whose achievements in cinema, anime, philosophy, and technology are forever the envy of China. Can you name a decent Chinese movie worthy of being analyzed in a film studies class, on the level of Kurosawa, Ozu, or Kobayashi? And I mean one that is good by the standards of the international community of artists and intellectuals, not propaganda films produced to please censors. Even if a Chinese artist attempts to be creative, like Zhang Yimou with some of his earlier films, his works get censored by the Chinese government, at which point he is forced to go back to the intellectual wasteland of mind-numbing nationalism, like Yimou’s stupid later films, like the one about green monsters attacking the Great Wall.

    • 哈哈: showmethereal
  509. @Jordan

    I am happy to inform you that the CCP has banned that godawful carnage.

    On May 29, 2020, China’s Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs officially declared that “dogs are companions and not livestock for eating.”

    This was an Official Declaration; not quite Law across the country yet, but other cities like Shenzhen also prohibited the consumption of dog meat recently.

    供参考:

    Most people in China don’t eat dogs, in fact dog meat is only eaten infrequently by less than 20% of the Chinese population. A 2017 survey revealed that even in Yulin, home of the notorious dog meat festival, most people (72%) don’t regularly eat dog meat despite efforts by dog meat traders to promote it. Nationwide across China, a 2016 survey conducted by Chinese polling company Horizon, and commissioned by Chinese group China Animal Welfare Association in collaboration with Humane Society International and Avaaz, found that most Chinese citizens (64%) want to see an end to the Yulin festival, more than half (51.7%) think the dog meat trade should be completely banned, and the majority (69.5%) have never eaten dog meat.

    来源: 国际人道协会

  510. Anonymous[545]• 免责声明 说:
    @Jordan

    Do you know all about what those shit-cunts who call themselves ‘scientists’ do to dogs in American universities?

    • 同意: showmethereal
  511. Anon[345]• 免责声明 说:
    @Rich

    He’s your typical alt right, room temperature IQ subhuman white trash.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  512. HeebHunter 说:
    @Anon

    Yup, exactly what to expect from subhumans who clamor for a war in (no pun intended) Eurasia while their own countries are going to hell.

    Not to mention blaming anyone but themselves when some regional leaders abandoned you after basically tell them and their people they are not humans and therefore pushed them into the other camp that respected them.

    To add to the insult, just one generation they totally dropped that stupid ideology that you used as casus belli against them and STILL not letting you build bases there, while cozying up with the massive country up north that actually buy their products instead of giving endless lecture on “democracy” and how bug chasing are true freedom, freedumb to get AIDS, to have your children be taken from you to turn into homosexuals, to have your wife cheats on you then send you to prison with the power of feminism, etc. All the while not paying, of course, and actually help the corrupt criminals flee to the land of the free.

    LOL

  513. HeebHunter 说:
    @Astuteobservor II

    这是设计使然。 这些笨蛋正在放弃,实际上押注于这场与中国不可能的战争。 他们已经失去了他们欧洲祖先的骄傲,实际上希望 KIKES 会像他们在 50 年代做的“最伟大的”goyim 一样扔给他们一块骨头,然后再在 60 年代拉下地毯。 如果它们足够用力地摆动尾巴,Massa Shlomofickenstein 可能会觉得很慷慨。

    你不能对这些灭绝的动物抱有太多期望。 这些魔像是无神的民主和种族否认/多元、无耻的个人主义和不受控制的唯物主义的直接、合乎逻辑的结论。

    • 同意: Daemon
    • 巨魔: GeneralRipper
  514. Smith 说:
    @Deep Thought

    And the viets bite the hand that feed it the most.

    Not really, China basically help your enemy, USA, to defeat your teacher, the USSR.

    What kind of “support” are these?

    As in, aids, munitions, technology transfer, even ideology, without the USSR, no PRC.

    The fact you hold grudges for your benefactor means you are a mad dog that cannot be trusted.

    Brezhnev attempted to “team up with the USA” to nuke China but his proposal was rejected– by Nixon, I think. A “teacher” like that deserves to be killed by his student. No Confucian teacher would do such a thing. viet teachers probably do that kind of thing regularly.

    You think? So did USSR nuke China? Nope, in the end, USSR didn’t do shit, but it’s China Mao who shook hands with Nixon and betrayed the USSR and Vietnam. Such a student, who is treacherous yet blames the teacher.

    The USSR was not destroyed by China or anyone. Gorbachev was so stupid that he pushed the self-destruct button of the USSR and Deng blamed him for doing precisely that– Deng’s China was quite fond of the USSR under Gorbachev but not the one under Brezhnev.

    That’s ironic because Brezhnev was the one who tried to maintain the USSR after Kruschev’s anti-Stalin policies. And the USA re-approachment happens right under Mao himself. And yes, China played no small part, it helped the USA in maintaining Pol Pot banditry in order to bleed Vietnam, and it also helps the Mujahiden in Afghanistan with the USA to bleed the USSR.

    Without the friendship of, and support given by, China, the USSR was no more. Why should anyone be surprised that Putin now turns to China, although initially he too tried to join the white West? Like his predecessors, Putin wanted Russia to join the West where almost all Russians traditionally believed they truly belong.

    I’m sure the USSR would still be a thing if the China and US don’t shake hands to destroy it, especially enough by funding terrorists to bleed them. Meanwhile, it’s “asian amelican” China who joined the white West to destroy USSR in the first place. You treat the USSR with suspicion, and conspire with the USA to destroy it, and now you blame the USSR. Treacherous.

    By the way, what had nam done to save the USSR you feel it owned so much to???

    We didn’t do much but now we still main healthy relationship with Russia and we can tell the stories of your treachery for years to come, people remember.

    The more you talk, the more I reinforce that I cannot trust chinks. They have the Cao Cao mentality, and they trust no one yet they want everyone to trust them. How can such a thing be possible?

    Another history lesson, when chinks fought in Korea, despite their “victory”, they somehow keep the status quo just as before. This is the plan, because a divided Korea is good for China while a unified Korea under the Kim might actually pose a threat to China. Meanwhile Vietnam successfully unified, without occupant Chinese troops or much strings attached, so China is angry.
    I feel the Asian states must go nuclear, we can trust each other just fine with each country holding nukes. I suspect that China itself is not fine with a nuclear-armed North Korea, especially if Korea unites, because it will then suspect Korea will “betray” it, but this is the way forward, nukes mean peace.

    Asians are brothers, but basic history shows, even brothers can kill brothers for their own gain. Humanity is wicked.

    @GeneralRipper

    You only say that to Japan and Vietnam now because we are both weaker than China.

    When China is weaker than say, India, in the far future, you or someone like you will say China is a worthy adversary.

    The enemy must be always be weak but dangerous at the same time.

    @中国人
    You don’t need to defend or attack dog eaters.

    Dogs are just that, animals, sometimes people want to eat them.

    Europeans used to eat dogs too.

    I personally don’t eat dog, but it’s just pointless morality imposed by westerners. We can eat dogs, we can raise dogs all the same, just like pigs and cows.

    Much better to focus on the fact people have things to eat or not.

    • 回复: @Deep Thought
  515. Jordan 说:
    @HeebHunter

    Why is a German so engrossed in American affairs ? Don’t you have enough problems over there ? You know with the millions of rapefugees Merkel let in.

    German women can’t even go out at night. There’s a realistic chance America might have to step in and rescue you if the Muslims take over. Go do something about that instead of spewing anti American crap.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
  516. denk 说:
    @rburns

    Doesn’t matter how many of the other side dies, it matters the outcomes that enhance national interest. Can someone list a half dozen of those?

    怎么样,

    洛克希德·马丁公司
    波音
    GE
    雷神公司
    诺斯罗普·格鲁曼公司
    通用动力
    ……?

  517. denk 说:

    Poco says:

    Many rural chinese are as stupid as negros.

    At least 90% of gringos are idiots.

    Unlike your ilks, I always back up my claim…
    https://community.oilprice.com/topic/13603-pew-poll-90-of-us-believes-china-is-threat/

    乌图

    But he is not in position to make geostrategic opinions about America’s interests and how important it is to contain China

    I dont know you belong to the 90% , utu !

  518. Bite Moi 说:
    @unit472

    unit 472———Possibilities——–1) America wins 2) China wins 3) Both countries lose—-badly. I am giving odds on 3.

  519. Rich 说:
    @last straw

    Again, the N Vietnamese did not defeat the US. The US withdrew 2 years prior to the North defeating the South. The new government in the US actually tacitly supported the North. Look it up, if there are any books left that weren’t written and published by Marxists.

    • 同意: Jordan
    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Hillbob
  520. HeebHunter 说:
    @Jordan

    The muslims are here because of you and you alone, mutt. We are an occupied country, remember?
    The Turk situatuon was 100% muttmerica too. Now we are dealing with these shitskins and Turkey doesn’t want to hang with you anymore.

    1945 was a big blow, but you have been torturing us eversince. Which is why I will join anyone who exterminates muttmerica.

    • 回复: @Jordan
  521. HeebHunter 说:
    @Rich

    Again, the N Vietnamese did not defeat the US. The US withdrew

    😂🤣

  522. @anonymous

    I am more inclined to think US environmental regulations and employment regulations are the greatest incentive to offshore manufacturing.

    • 回复: @Jokem
  523. Hillbob 说:
    @Rich

    You are like an old decrepit Nazi in the jungles of Paraguay screaming to out shriek the clamor of frogs: we won the war in Russia except for :
    the Russian winter, spring, fall and summer.
    the general staff
    Marshall Goering
    the attempt on the life of the fuehrer
    those Italian allies
    the Einstazgrupen did not kill enough women and children
    the sneak attack should have come earlier
    we should have taken America, England and the rest of the world first
    the untermenschen was never any match for us
    the battles of Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk and Berlin
    we killed more of their children and civilians
    we totally destroyed their country
    nothing is going to shut me up

    • 哈哈: Rich
    • 回复: @denk
  524. JohnT 说:
    @Doc Strange Love

    Russia invaded Ukraine?

    If they had done that, it would be called Russia long ago.

  525. denk 说:
    @Hillbob

    Rich is a national treasure/ 😉

    • 谢谢: Rich
  526. Jordan 说:
    @HeebHunter

    Silly Kraut. What does America have to do with Merkel opening up your borders ? Did America instruct her to take in millions of refugees ? Step up and take responsibility for your actions.

    Your defeat in 1945 was largely at the hands of Russia. The vast majority of German troops died at the hands of the Russians. Despite Hollywood propaganda America played a minimal role in actually killing German troops. Stop peddling myths.

    • 回复: @HeebHunter
    , @Bork
    , @GeneralRipper
  527. HeebHunter 说:
    @Jordan

    The polish jew bitch is just one small part of the problem, mutt.
    Without your lendlease, there would have been no Kursk or Minsk. Even then the commies were just your typical rape happy slav subhumans. Their spawns were aborted and thrown into the trash bin, and the survivors have been determined afterwards to remind these “winners” constantly of their place in what is left of this occupied country.

    And for all their filth, the slavs never dreamt to come up with something like “denazification”. Happy Karma, muttling.

    • 回复: @Jordan
  528. @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    writers speculating about a war over Taiwan that will never happen.

    Of course! But rednecks think like rednecks, not like Chinese. The rednecks can only think that it is necessary to invade a country to incorporate it or subdue it. They understand only pure force. How stupid, how ignorant.

    And what about Russia? Will it stay without reaction when there is already a military cooperation and when a military alliance is in the air?

  529. Anon99 说:
    @anonymous

    洛兹。 日本文化起源于中国。

    • 谢谢: showmethereal
  530. Bork 说:
    @Anonymous

    The armed forces of America are much diminished compared to 25 years ago, and the european forces are more or less gone.

  531. anonymous[370]• 免责声明 说:
    @Chinaman

    Most commenters here like to blame the state of things in America on the elites or Jews but as we can see on this thread, this is demonstrably untrue.

    Quite the contrary. It is demonstrably true. Here are a few examples…

    From (((Jonah Goldberg))):

    In a sense, it’s pointless to debate whether the United States should have a more hawkish policy toward China, because we’ll have one regardless of how the 2020 elections go. There’s a broad consensus among both of the political parties and foreign policy experts across the ideological spectrum that the U.S. will need to be more confrontational and assertive with China in the years ahead…..Count me among the hawks. The Communist Party of China may not have any ideological connection to actual communism anymore, but it retains the brutality, bigotry and authoritarianism that gave communism its bad name in the first place

    Goldberg goes on to write:

    Personally, I’d be in favor of regime change in China if that were achievable with relatively low costs in blood and treasure. But I’ve seen no plausible plan for that.

    The zinger, and perhaps the most Jewish analogy from Jonah Goldberg, is the following (are you ready? Try not to laugh):

    Pick whatever goals you like; a smart foreign policy would try to bring the rest of the world with us at the end of that process. If you think of countries as customers for our products and services, we do not benefit if we break off from China and no one comes with us.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/jonah-goldberg-hawkishness-toward-china-is-fine-but-what-do-we-want-to-achieve/ar-BB1b7nwb

    And here is what (((Bill Kristol))) said on Twitter:

    “Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?”
    Bill Kristol ✔ @BillKristol

    “A short thread on regime change Yesterday I asked “Shouldn’t an important U.S. foreign policy goal of the next couple of decades be regime change in China?” The question implies that I think the right answer is Yes. I gather there’s been a bit of a reaction to this suggestion,” he said.
    “I’m glad to have stimulated some debate, and I hope some re-thinking. I’ll put my position simply. The case for regime change shouldn’t really be controversial. The U.S. at its best has always stood for the proposition that all people everywhere deserve to be free,” he continued.
    Bill Kristol ✔ @BillKristol —Nov 24, 2018

    What about (((Paul Wolfowitz))), architect of the Iraq War? Is China pivoting to the Middle East? LOL

    https://www.hoover.org/research/china-pivoting-middle-east

    https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3106893/china-invade-taiwan-you-must-be-joking

    https://www.hoover.org/research/china-pivoting-middle-east

    Contrast the neocon warmongering above with what’s been said by Ron Paul (notorious crypto “white nationalist” from the perspective of the Jewish media), who was quoted, interestingly enough, by the South China Morning Post (your friends Chinaman) as follows:

    “China is more or less a scapegoat, which is very unpopular to say, that’s unpatriotic to say that we have some responsibility for ourselves. We need to stop the interference in trade. I think free trade will neutralize the disagreements that we have, but we always seem to have to have an enemy,” Paul told Kitco News.

    The U.S. should not be meddling in Chinese affairs to begin with, Paul said.

    “I just think that we shouldn’t be there. What would we say if China has as much activity in the Gulf of Mexico as we have in the South China Sea? The Americans would be really, really annoyed by that, and we can understand that. We didn’t like it when the Soviets were in Cuba,” he said.

    https://www.kitco.com/news/2020-09-11/Ron-Paul-the-real-reasons-behind-U-S-China-tensions.html

    And let’s not forget the most notorious “Nazi” and “white supremacist” of them all, paleocon Pat Buchanan, whose recent article on tensions with China call into question an aggressive military posture towards China:

    在喜马拉雅山脉有争议的地形上,美国究竟是什么样的“盟友”,还是印度和中国之间的“战斗”,这是无法解释的。 我们对地球上人口最多的国家之间的控制线应位于何处,以证明美国军事介入像中国这样的世界大国是正确的,我们没有任何重大利益。

    与日本发生领土争执的是位于数千英里以外的东中国海的小尖阁诸岛上的日本,愿意参加喜马拉雅印中冲突的想法似乎也是荒谬的。

    https://buchanan.org/blog/is-war-with-china-becoming-inevitable-142253

    As usual, Pat Buchanan (tarred and feathered as a “white nationalist” and “Nazi” by the Jewish media) consistently opposes US military involvements in overseas conflict, whether it be in Kosovo, Iraq, or China.

    My guess is that many posters here will continue to divert attention away from the Jewish aspect of the war-mongering and continue to lay blame at the feet of “white nationalists” and “Nazis,” despite the fact that those are the only elements remaining of anti-war movement in the US.

    https://buchanan.org/blog/is-war-with-china-becoming-inevitable-142253
    https://www.kitco.com/news/2020-09-11/Ron-Paul-the-real-reasons-behind-U-S-China-tensions.html

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    , @Maowasayali
  532. Bork 说:
    @showmethereal

    Two wrongs here. First, the census does not count the white population. It counts the caucasian population because the census does not distinguish between whites and caucasians. The trashy people that immigrate to Europe and shit it up? These people are counted as “white/caucasian” by the US census. Its pure bullshit.

    If you try to estimate the amount of european-americans you end up with a number that is less than 50%. This is very very difficult to understand for almost all white americans. You are a minority in America. You are not the deciding majority. America is not a white country. Its a third world colored majority country. You have been cucked out of your own country by your own ancestors who just decided to give it away to virtue signal their christian values. The american solution to this is to expand the definition of white to include high yella mestisos.

    The second error is your statement that the black population is not growing in the US. It is, because while the american population has grown by 70% since 1965, the proportion that is black has held steady, which means that it has been growing 70% measured in absolute numbers.

    And the number of newborns that are fully or part black is now ~22% and have been rising steadily as far back as 80 years, when it was just ~8%. So compared to 1940, the fraction of newborns that are black and mulatto have almost tripled.

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  533. @anonymous

    Can you name a decent Chinese movie worthy of being analyzed in a film studies class, on the level of Kurosawa, Ozu, or Kobayashi? And I mean one that is good by the standards of the international community of artists and intellectuals, not propaganda films produced to please censors.

    Of course there are great international Chinese films. The mainstream media doesn’t promote anything other than Crappywood films. I have watched these films in cities from Berlin to New York to Melbourne. Some contemporary examples from 20 & 30 years ago:

    Wong Kar Wai, one of Tarantino’s favorite:

    https://screenrant.com/best-wong-kar-wai-films-ranked-according-rotten-tomatoes/

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  534. Bork 说:
    @Jordan

    The soviet union would have lost if not for american support, particulary in logistics.

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    , @Jokem
  535. Anon99 说:
    @GeneralRipper

    但是……这不是你自己的兰德报告所说的。 还是只相信男男性接触中国的宣传?

  536. “China eyes new goal of military parity with U.S. in Asia by 2027”

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/12/19/asia-pacific/china-us-military-asia/

    2027 will be the 100th anniversary of the founding of China’s armed forces.

  537. To take Taiwan, China looks first to seige tactics and suasion. Only then direct attack.

    Ancient Chinese proverb:

    People who know about military affairs tend not to be bellicose.

    Mao on war (echoes Sun-tzu):

    Fight no battle unprepared and fight no battle you are not sure of winning.

    https://thediplomat.com/2020/12/chinas-military-actions-against-taiwan-in-2021-what-to-expect/

    • 回复: @Smith
  538. 与中国开战? 没有汗水。 他们所有的设备都是用我们的旧啤酒罐制成的。 他们戴着厚厚的眼镜,身体消瘦,没有夜视能力。 他们也都有鹿牙,所以无线电使用很困难,而且……等一下,那是二战中的日本人……对不起。

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  539. Jordan 说:
    @Bork

    Debatable. Germany would’ve lost even without American entry. The British Empire were equally good if not better at logistics and the Russian winter played a major part in killing German troops.

    In short once Hitler invaded Russia, he signed Germany’s death warrant. Had Hitler used a little more common sense, he’d have won the war.

  540. Chinaman 说:
    @anonymous

    The people deserve their leaders and government.

  541. last straw 说:
    @anonymous

    As the world’s largest trading nation with AIIB, BRI, RCEP and the soon to be signed EU-China Comprehensive Investment Agreement, I would say China copes very well in the world, any more soft power is just a bonus.

    As for comparing with Japan, Japan never has Confucius and Sun Tzu, to begin with. It had been stealing everything under the sun from China until the 19th century. There are probably more Chinese TV series than Japanese ones on the Netflix excluding anime. Contemporary Chinese sci-fi literature such as “The Three-Body Problem”, which will soon be adapted to a Netflix TV series, has achieved excellent reception in the U.S.. Chinese art, from ancient to modern, are highly sought after in the west. Every year, more than 3 times international tourists visit China than Japan. No, I don’t think Japan has much more soft power than China.

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    , @showmethereal
  542. Jordan 说:
    @HeebHunter

    I’d argue American intervention ultimately saved Germany from complete destruction. Had America not been present, Russia would’ve likely dismantled Germany and there’d be no German nation in existence today.

    America was the only allied power that didn’t actively hate the Germans. Both the Brits and the Russians hated you. Without America the Russians might’ve easily conducted what would be nothing short of a genocide of ethnic Germans and the Brits wouldn’t bother stopping them. You would not exist today.

    With America present, Russian mass rape and other atrocities were limited to East Germany.

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    , @Biff
  543. anonymous[370]• 免责声明 说:
    @showmethereal

    As far as the history of Taiwan goes, it is much more complicated than you let on. Here is another Rashomon-like situation where each stakeholder will tell a different story, selectively highlighting facts favorable to their political goals and omitting the ones that are unfavorable. I don’t deny that it was a Qing colony before it was Japanese colony. But there was as much discontent under Qing Rule as there was under Japanese rule. Zhu Yigui’s rebellion is a case in point. Do the rebellions against the Qing dynasty invalidate Qing legitimacy? Before the Qing controlled it, it was a Dutch colony. And before that, it was inhabited by natives. In all of these cases (whether it be Dutch, Chinese, or Japanese), it’s always been the native people who get the short end of the stick. It’s been the native people who got screwed over and lost their land.

    The Han from Fujian were already the dominant group when Japan took the island from the Qing…

    Again, you neglect to mention that it was the native people, the 原住民, who were dominant up until the 17th century, by which time it was a Dutch colony. To the extent that Chinese people were going there, it was as independent settlers, not on behalf of the Ming or Qing dynasty.

    The Qing Empire only took over Taiwan because Ming loyalists, Zheng Zhilong and Zheng Chenggong, had fled to Taiwan and seized control from the Dutch. They were the equivalent of 蒋介石 and the 国民党 for the 17th century, fleeing from Qing forces so that they can establish a government in exile. But it was a Dutch colony before it was a Qing colony. In order to protect against Dutch incursions and, as you mentioned, pirates, it was in 1684 that Kangxi incorporated Taiwan within the jurisdiction of Fujian. Up until that time, it was considered rebel-held territory known as Dongning. The Chinese people who went there from Fujian up until that time were settlers and illegal immigrants, not there for the express purpose of setting up a colony on behalf of the Chinese Empire. And after it became incorporated into the Qing Empire, the Qing government made it illegal for Chinese people to emigrate there! It became the separate province of Taiwan late in the 19th century.

    It became a Japanese colony because China started a war against Japan (the first Sino-Japanese War) in a bid to gain control over Korea. That is another Rasho