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一方面,我对吉普赛人着迷。 我觉得很了不起的是,一个来自中世纪印度社会渣滓的民族,能够穿越整个中东,到达东欧,并在其他民族中保持他们的身份1500年。 此外,吉普赛人这样做了,没有维护他们自己的主权国家或宗教,这两种传统的保护人民的方式。 也就是说,以任何标准衡量,都是一项了不起的成就。

不幸的是,吉普赛社会和文化的现实和非凡的本质从来都不是礼貌谈话的主题。 我曾经问过一位东欧富裕的白人女性自由主义者关于这个话题的消息来源,她无助地指出了一个索罗斯资助的非政府组织关于吉普赛人在邪恶的欧洲人手中所面临的所有歧视的大量报告。 那真的不是我想要的。

任何几个世纪以来设法以这种方式保持其身份的人都很难成为全能大多数人的被动对象。 相反,有问题的侨民必须拥有自己强大的文化和社会机制来实现这一点:维持群体成员身份,确保同族繁殖,以及作为一个民族在一个民族中维持自己的社会生活。

无论如何,欧盟的基本权利机构 (FRA) 已经制定了一个 大规模调查 试图揭开这个神秘的人的面纱:作为“第二次欧盟少数民族和歧视调查”的一部分(这两个主题的反身配对自然定下了基调),对吉普赛人进行了 8,000 次面对面采访,收集信息居住在九个欧洲国家的 34,000 名吉普赛人家庭中。

该调查涵盖了保加利亚、捷克、希腊、西班牙、克罗地亚、匈牙利、葡萄牙、罗马尼亚和斯洛伐克的吉普赛人,这些国家拥有欧洲 80% 的吉普赛人。 自从保加利亚和罗马尼亚加入欧盟并用欧盟护照武装他们的吉普赛人以来,已经移居到另一个国家的吉普赛人数量众多,不包括在内。

结果确实非常具有启发性。

吉普赛人很穷:

[调查]显示,80% 的罗姆人继续生活在他们国家的贫困线以下; 三分之一的罗姆人住在没有自来水的住房中; 十分之一的住房没有电; 每四名罗姆人 (10%) 和每三名罗姆儿童 (27%) 生活在上个月至少面临一次饥饿的家庭中。

吉普赛人工作或学习的可能性要小得多:

【调查】发现 只有四分之一的 16 岁或以上的罗姆人报告“受雇”或“自雇” 作为他们在调查时的主要活动。 罗姆妇女报告的就业率远低于罗姆男子——16% 与 34%。 全面的, 调查显示,20-64 岁的罗姆人的带薪工作率为 43%,远低于欧盟 70 年 2015% 的平均水平. 年轻人的情况要糟糕得多:平均而言, 63-16 岁的罗姆人中有 24% 未受雇、未受教育或接受培训 在调查时,与欧盟同年龄组的 NEET 率平均为 12% 相比。 对于这个年龄组,结果还显示出相当大的性别差距,72% 的年轻罗姆女性没有就业,接受教育或培训,而年轻的罗姆男性则为 55%。

欧洲的阿拉伯和土耳其女性也比男性女性更不可能工作,但吉普赛人的懒惰确实是独一无二的。 20% 的吉普赛人生活在欧盟外交上所说的“低工作强度家庭”中,即工作年龄成员的工作能力低于 XNUMX% 的家庭。

吉普赛人通常不去上学,而且当他们上学时,他们的表现很差:

[研究]结果表明 罗姆儿童在所有教育指标上都落后于非罗姆儿童。 只关于 半数 (53 %) XNUMX 岁至义务初等教育开始年龄的罗姆儿童参加幼儿教育。 一般, 18% 6 至 24 岁的罗姆人接受的教育水平低于其年龄. 与一般人口相比,罗姆人早期学校毕业生的比例高得不成比例。 在保加利亚、希腊、匈牙利和斯洛伐克,学校隔离仍然是一个问题,尽管法律禁止这种做法并且欧洲人权法院最近的判例法。

三分之二的 18 至 24 岁的吉普赛人没有高中文凭,也无意获得高中文凭。 关于 隔离, 13 至 6 岁的吉普赛人中有 15% 的学校上的所有“同学”都是吉普赛人,而 33% 的学校上的大部分都是吉普赛人。 大多数人(55%)上的学校只有“一些”或“没有”同学是吉普赛人。

有趣的是,大多数吉普赛人报告说最近没有歧视他们:

在过去五年中,几乎有二分之一的罗姆人 (41%) 在日常生活的其中一个领域中至少有一次因为他们的族裔而受到歧视。 四分之一的罗姆人 (26%) 表示上一次感知到的歧视事件发生在调查前的 12 个月内。 在过去 12 个月中,使用公共或私人服务 (19%) 和找工作 (16%) 的歧视发生率最高。 然而,平均而言,只有 12% 的罗姆人向当局报告了他们的歧视经历。 此外,几乎三分之一 (27%) 的接受调查的罗姆人不知道任何禁止基于族裔的歧视的法律,而且大多数罗姆人 (82%) 不知道任何向歧视受害者提供支持的组织。

保加利亚和罗马尼亚的吉普赛人报告的歧视程度最低(过去 22 年分别为 29% 和 5%)。 乍一看,这很奇怪,因为保加利亚人和罗马尼亚人可能对吉普赛人和他们的反社会行为公开怀有敌意。

图表:

 

 

 

 

 

“早班学生”被定义为没有高中文凭(即高中)并且没有接受教育或培训的人。
“早班学生”被定义为没有高中文凭(即高中)并且没有接受教育或培训的人。

 

吉普赛人在教育中的比例正在上升,通常是从很低的基数开始的:

 

 

 

 

吉普赛人说捷克人最种族主义:

结束语

吉普赛人的行为仍然引人注目。 虽然我和任何人一样敌视大众教育,并且反对自由主义的陈词滥调,但 不能 送你的孩子上学(如果没有别的,这是一项免费的保姆服务)需要吉普赛人付出相当大的努力。 这是一个有意识的决定,而不是“排斥”的产物。 像往常一样,以高度居高临下的方式,平等主义者否认少数群体的代理份额。

在西欧,吉普赛人和其他少数民族的对比尤为明显。 巴黎、布鲁塞尔、瑞典甚至更小的法国城镇的街角现在都挤满了东欧吉普赛人,他们大多来自巴尔干地区。 白人欧洲移民工作,阿拉伯移民也会在一定程度上开店和工作(即使他们的妻子可能会留在家里),黑人移民会很乐意卖给你一些杂草。 只有吉普赛人露宿街头,并派自己的孩子为他们乞讨,我认为这会让任何其他少数民族感到羞耻。

这些吉普赛人乞求或有时会主动提供服务,例如主动清洗挡风玻璃。 最不令人讨厌的播放音乐,通常来自 教父. 在法国的夏令营期间,一些吉普赛人在我们离开时洗劫了我们的营地。 吉普赛人翻遍了女孩的内衣,偷走了我们的 CD。 女孩们泪流满面,而男孩们——我们还是十几岁的孩子——聚集在一起,开始寻找吉普赛人。 我想这就是私刑开始的方式,但事实上,我们从未找到它们。

调查指出,吉普赛人是欧洲大陆内一个由 R 选择的外星群体,与社会其他部分隔绝。 该研究指出:“与一般人群相比,罗姆人平均更年轻。 这可以解释为在大多数接受调查的国家中,罗马的出生率较高,预期寿命较低”(第 17 页)。 我的一位斯洛文尼亚朋友,负责他所在城镇的吉普赛政策,他指出,世代相传的当地吉普赛人, 不会说斯洛文尼亚语.

未来欧洲对吉普赛人的态度将如何发展? 有两种相互矛盾的趋势。 一方面,欧盟和白人妇女将试图将吉普赛人婴儿化,并将问题归咎于大多数人。 一位斯洛文尼亚白人富裕女性自由主义者向我解释说,西班牙正在开创一种“创新”方法,在这种方法中,吉普赛人不仅获得了特殊的资源来弥补他们的贫困,而且还对警察进行了关于吉普赛历史和文化的“教育”,并且应该相应地调整他们的方法。 “这是一条双向的街道,”她解释说。

在政治层面,欧盟要求,为了获得其资金,“引入特定的 事前 主题条件,这需要制定适当的国家罗姆人融入社会战略,以便使用资金促进罗姆人融入社会”(第 9 页)。 具体而言,这意味着各国政府,尤其是东欧的国家政府,至少必须假装试图“融合”吉普赛人,并且大概要消除他们与大多数人之间的不平等,而不管吉普赛人的行为在上述不平等中应承担多大的责任。 为了迫使吉普赛儿童上学,欧盟正以典型的欧洲中心主义方式试图摧毁印度人民独特的生活方式。

另一方面,黑人和穆斯林不断涌入西欧。 这些新人群没有白人女性、欧盟机构或索罗斯的非政府组织那种明显慷慨和多愁善感的态度。 在法国,阿拉伯人坦率地厌倦了吉普赛人,经常煽动对他们的大屠杀,烧毁他们的营地。

几年前,在被指控盗窃后,里昂的年轻阿拉伯人向他们投掷石块和 吉普赛营地的燃烧瓶 而吉普赛人则用金属棒为自己辩护。 在高度阿拉伯化的马赛市,吉普赛人的营地是 经常被愤怒的当地人焚烧,其种族血统被媒体谨慎地省略了。 去年, 阿拉伯推特很热闹 有传言称吉普赛人绑架儿童,导致对吉普赛人的多次袭击和 19 人被捕。

你甚至可以改变欧洲人,但有些事情永远不会改变。

 
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  1. Gunga Din 说:

    你听说过关于吉普赛人的好话吗? 除了小偷什么都没有。 消灭它们。

  2. On Europeans talking about Gypsies – ha! Same observation, and even applies to at least some Americans with European experience.

    From my Romania trip: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/romania/

    我正在罗马尼亚与一位美国白人交谈,他是支持 BLM 的婴儿潮一代之一。 我很高兴看到当谈话从美国法西斯警察射杀无辜黑人转移到吉普赛问题时,他突然变成了一个铁杆纳粹。

    • 同意: tomo
  3. Neuday 说:
    @Gunga Din

    Oh, if we start going down that path of eradicating parasites, when will we know to stop? Instead, the State should churn out propaganda about removing stigma, and how NAGALT, or the legacy of gypsy mistreatment, and maybe requiring free college for gypsies, and decriminalizing petty theft. I’m sure some well-funded NGO can provide 6,000,000 reasons why we shouldn’t eradicate parasites.

    • 哈哈: Pop Warner
  4. Forty-four percent of Gypsies live in what the EU diplomatically calls “low work intensity households,” …

    Hey, reading palms and picking pockets is hard work!

    While I am as hostile to mass education as anyone, and contra liberal platitudes, to not send your children to school (which, if nothing else, is a free baby-sitting service) requires considerable effort upon the Gypsies’ part. This is a conscious decision and not the product of “exclusion.”

    Guillaume, I think you just answered your own question as to how the Gypsies maintain their unique and separate identity: they do 不能 allow any outsiders to condition their kids. That’s why they refuse to send their kids to ‘gadjo’ (non-gypsy) school.

    For over 40 years, communist governments tried everything to assimilate the Gypsies and in the end, it all had absolutely no effect.

  5. @Neuday

    I’m sure some well-funded NGO can provide 6,000,000 reasons why we shouldn’t eradicate parasites.

    Yup! An NGO well funded by still (((other parasites))).

  6. obwandiyag 说:

    更多的铺位统计。 我向你保证,吉普赛人会做一些事情来赚钱。 他们可能不会告诉面试官什么。 但他们确实如此。

    吉普赛人是资产阶级欧洲的良心。 身份证。 秘密的下腹部。 为吉普赛人欢呼吧。 前进。 一辈子都坐在一个小隔间里。 并为自己着想。 帕西。

  7. songbird 说:

    吉普赛人应该被驱逐出境并重新融入印度。 印度种姓共同进化以应对其他印度种姓的讨厌。 欧洲人不是。

  8. SIMPLE rom 说:

    Gypsies make lots of money, but they don’t declare them because they are from crime, they don’t want to pay taxes or they want to keep receiving welfare.
    Gypsy neighborhoods in Romania often have giant houses with tall, thin towers on the roof. They drive only black BMW or other german cars. Many of them are not poor, but some definitely are. It’s hard to say if rural gypsies are overall poorer than rural romanians which is why those statistics are misleading.
    Gypsies made lots of money in the 90’s from turning communist factories into scrap iron. In one case that I know of directly in the early aughts the italian buyers of parts of huge steelworks in Calarasi were hiring security guards from Bucharest to fight the gypsies who were cutting their industrial equipment and were wrecking production. At the time gypsies were stealing even railroad tracks and manhole covers causing accidents.
    卖淫、乞讨和扒窃很常见,但现在他们主要在西方从事这些活动,而不是在罗马尼亚。
    吉普赛音乐家非常富有,因为罗马尼亚的婚礼习俗包括向他们支付丰厚的报酬,有时甚至用金钱给他们洗澡。
    The Ferentari neighborhood is a poor neighborhood with the most gypsies in Bucharest but even Ferentari is becoming gentrified since land prices exploded in the aughts. I go there often, even after dark, and it’s safer then parts of London.
    Romanians don’t like gypsies but they don’t flee from them like american flee from underclass blacks, mostly because while gypsies are an incredible nuisance they are not more violent than the romanian underclass.
    布加勒斯特有 2 万人口,每年有 10-20 起谋杀案,几乎所有谋杀案都由警方破获,而且几乎都发生在亲戚或朋友之间,涉及酒精或嫉妒。 枪支非常罕见,任何枪支犯罪都是全国性的重大新闻。
    Gypsies maintain their culture by controlling their women. I once interviewed one of Romania’s leading witches who was making thousands of dollars a day, lived in a mansion but she paid no taxes. Her husband was wearing a suit and was a businessman, her son studied at an private school, but she had pulled her daughter from public school when she was 10 and now was a witch-in-training. Her mother expected to sell her as a wife to other gypsies for hundreds of thousands of euros as her descent was highly valued for witchcraft and she could bring lots of money to her husband by tricking superstitious romanian women.
    这种性别分化的趋势很普遍。 在布加勒斯特,您可以看到成群结队的吉普赛人,其中男人穿普通衣服,而女人则穿吉普赛裙。
    In Romania gypsies that give up their customs and costumes are indistinguishable from romanians and are not treated differently than other people. Gypsies are seen as an ethnic group, not a racial one because there are plenty of romanians with a pretty tan skin so you can’t tell them apart from looks alone. Gypsies can pass as romanians and many do. Every generation there are many gypsies, especially among the urban ones, who become assimilated in mainstream. They form the bulk of the rroma NGO organisations that thrive on Soros, EU and Norway grants and on public subsidies.
    吉普赛人依靠最贫穷、最不被同化的吉普赛人的高生育率维持他们的人数。

    • 同意: Adûnâi, Bardon Kaldian
    • 谢谢: ivan, JohnnyWalker123
  9. Cyrano 说:

    显然,我的第一个保姆是一个吉普赛女孩。 我不记得她了,她辞职了,我有幸由我自己国籍的老年邻居照看孩子——他们反过来把我当作吉普赛人,但那是一个很长的故事。 当我问我的父母为什么这个吉普赛女孩这么早就辞职时,他们告诉我她这样做了,因为她结婚了。 显然,她当时只有14岁。

    然后在小学我有一个吉普赛同学,好人,放学后我们在一起,他在学业上当然是灾难,但经常说一些非常有趣的事情。

    回到家乡,大多数吉普赛人皈依了伊斯兰教——我猜这是对我们拒绝接受他们的反抗的标志。 我认为他们也没有得到该宗教其他信徒的优待。

    我认为吉普赛人在欧洲几个世纪以来保持其身份的原因是因为他们从未被接受。 他们在不同的时代“移民”,当时歧视被视为正常现象。 再者,他们一直都是不受欢迎的“移民”,不像欧洲人去印度招揽移民,并承诺一视同仁。

    • 回复: @Sir Launcelot Canning
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  10. anonymous[191]• 免责声明 说:

    It’s easy to understand how Gypsies have kept their identity and uniqueness, they are such a repulsive people in every way, nobody except the lowest of the lowest of European society would have anything to do with them. When you’re like that you will be kept to the fringes of society and forced to keep on moving around. Had they been a smart, attractive people, there would’ve been mainstream people who would want to breed with them and they would’ve been absorbed into the greater European population.

  11. Adûnâi 说:

    The Gypsies used to steal horses, now they steal names – modern Western homosexualists consider it offensive to call Gypsies Gypsies, and instead choose to call them… Roma! The Gypsies have stolen from Romanians, Romans, Italians and Greeks at the same time!

    Although to be fair, the word “Gypsy” comes from “Egypt” (Hungarian “faraoni”, too), because those darkies lied centuries ago.

    • 回复: @nokangaroos
    , @Big Bill
  12. 黄飞鸿, I had a teaching job and- a group of teenage gypsies showed up in my classroom. They were hostile and brisk and at the same time very charming. They did not want to learn anything at all. When I called them gypsies (Zigeuner) they called me a racist, since they knew, that the term Zigeuner was un-PC in Switzerland – because of Adolf Nazi. When they were alone, they always called one another Zigeuner, never Sinti or Rome or whatever the Swiss government or the EU ask – even them, to call one another.

    An outstandingly beautiful young lady (think of the young Joan Baez) once told me, that she reads hand-lines and sells (!) nice pebbles (!) to the Swiss (5 bucks each), and that she is doing well and never short with cash. Her family worked 9 months in a row and travelled three months every summer. They had – white, not black – BMW 800s of course – and got quite some EU and Swiss government subsidies.

    They never showed interest in something that could be learned at school. They giggled, charmed one-another, were kidding – always in a playful mood – for hours and hours, – only interrupted by occasional aggressions. At times these aggresions were playful, at times sadistic, – ehh – and 滑稽 – rarely rude and frightening (but that did happen too – not least to me. They knew that I’m a phtographer and thus openly declared, that they could quite easily stabb one of my eyes – in a moment, when I was least prepared, a young lad approached me with a heavy srewdriver swinging at my face and stopping just a few centimeters before serious damage would have been done – this did scare the fuck out of you teacher,didnd’t it? HaHaHa! I can see it in your face!

    They knew how to spend time like nobody else I ever met, with no purpose other then flirting, an talking make-up, hair-extensions, hairdo, who might date whom, song&dance stuff etc. pp. ad nauseam. Always playful and charming over an dover again. It was the first time I encountered the following love and hate triangle: A young guy was sleeping, as became pretty ovious – with the mother of his best friend. He was 18, she was 32. They had to flee, because the father of the friend urged his son to kill him.
    When asked, how old I was, one of the young beauties, who had been flirting with me for some time, shrieked in real terror: Not true – you’d be older than may grandpa then…She kept flirting afterwards even though. and I enjoyed that a lot.

    只要它持续存在,我就喜欢/讨厌这种体验。 但我尽我所能,尽快摆脱我的技术义务。

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
    , @Johan
  13. Alfa158 说:

    Apparently Giuseppe Verdi had a romantically unrealistic view of the cultural enrichment provided by Gypsies making society more colorful.

    • 回复: @Malla
  14. anonymous[173]• 免责声明 说:

    So, what is supposed to be shocking? Gypsies are Jews. They are a tribe of wanderers. They survived off of scamming the Gentiles for hundreds of years. They are literally like they are represented in older movies where they are always cheating, stealing and lying to people and then they they pack up and move on to their next town of victims!

  15. @Dieter Kief

    When I called them gypsies (Zigeuner) they called me a racist, since they knew, that the term Zigeuner was un-PC in Switzerland – because of Adolf Nazi. When they were alone, they always called one another Zigeuner, never Sinti or Rome or whatever the Swiss government or the EU ask – even them, to call one another.

    I’ve often wondered where the word 吉普赛人 came from. I know that ‘Gypsy’ was derived from Egyptian, because they used to pretend to be Christian pilgrims from Egypt. But not even Duden knows how 吉普赛人 起源。

    And if the word is so offensive, how come we can still buy Zigeunerschnitzel? After all, you can’t really buy 内格库斯 anymore, can you!

  16. lloyd 说: • 您的网站

    The Gypsies’ emigration to Europe from India appears to be in same time period as the Arab Moslem eruption into the Middle East. As Zorasterians migrated to India and became Parsis, there was a counter flight to the West by Indian lower castes. In Europe they became a milder version of the Thugees. The British Empire exterminated the Thugees in the most succesful genocide in history, but the Gypsies sufficiently charmed the Europeans to survive their predatory life style. I read somewhere that their relatives that remained in India, converted to Moslems. I think almost everyone would agree they would prefer to live among Pakistanis than Gypsies not withstanding pimping practices by Pakistani men with white girls.

    • 回复: @Daniel H
    , @jim jones
    , @sarz
  17. @Digital Samizdat

    Easy – Gypsy and Zigeuner and Gitanes and Ziganes are all onomatopoetically related.Gitanes in French, Gypsy in English, Zigeuner in German. The Duden is overly cautious and therefore – plain out dumb. PC to the nth degree and dumb – as so often. Sigh.

    Even the version Ziganer is known from German sorces; now look at the Slowakian zikan and the croat cigan and – here you are; no secret or grave etymological problem anywhere to be seen.

    Ah – the Zigeuner-Schnitzel
    – we even still eat Prinzess-Bohnenaround here – now, I only cntinue f you sware, that you don’t tell this anybody: There could quite easily come a heteronormal lesbian activist or some such and call for the books to be removed, that mention this opressive-mysoginist term Prinzess-Bohnen – and be those incriminated books cook boooks, that wouldn’t matter the least little bit – away with them into white oppressors hell! – That’s about the state of collective sanity, we’re at. And not that we would not have any serious problems too…

    • 回复: @3g4me
    , @Digital Samizdat
  18. Daniel H 说:
    @lloyd

    我想几乎每个人都会同意他们更愿意生活在巴基斯坦人而不是吉普赛人中

    绝对没有。 吉普赛人已经在大多数欧洲国家生活了数百年,最糟糕的是他们只是一个小麻烦。 同样数量的巴基斯坦人(或其他穆斯林)将带来无休止的侵略、威胁和恐怖。

    • 回复: @lloyd
  19. @Cyrano

    Acceptance is a two way street. If they want to be accepted then they should make themselves acceptable, or at least make an effort.

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  20. I was just reading an article (it was a few years old; I was researching recurring accusations of “racism” in the sci-fi community) about a Seattle-area musician who was denounced for using the pejorative term “gypsy” while “appropriating” their musical styles. Poor Roma, so oppressed!

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  21. @Digital Samizdat

    As a kid taking German language classes in the Upper Midwest, I remember singing “Lustig ist des Zigeunerleben” — Jolly is the Gypsy’s Life.

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
  22. Skeptikal 说:
    @SIMPLE rom

    Gypsies certainly have plenty of ways of making money.
    Traditionally they were metalsmiths. Now dealers in scrap metal.
    Traditionally they were dealers in horse flesh (that is live horses).
    I am sure there is some economic activity that corresponds with this traditional knowledge and skill set. Some aspect of transport, used cars, car-theft rings, or some such.
    Witchery is of course a branch of the entertainment industry, where Gypsies have always occupied a special niche.
    I was waiting for some informed comparative analysis of Roma and Jews, since both are age-old peoples who have maintained a “national” or “ethnic” or “racial” identity despite lacking a homeland (excluding the recent temporary Zionist homeland) and living among other majority groups.

    Not sending children to school seems like a good cultural survival strategy, and I would never ignore the role of school in indoctrinating children in various ways. But if there is no other educational system in place, it does seem to be a sad state of affairs for Roma children who are intellectually active or are eager to learn.
    I think life is pretty hard for Roma women, esp. the young women.

    I believe there is also a lot of alcoholism among Roma. When I was in Czechoslovakia in late 1991 and early 1992—in Moravia, not far from the Slovak border—there was a largish Roma community in the neighborhood and groups of children could often be seen hanging out around a big fountain in the center of the main city square, in Olomouc. Most of these children were disheveled,with matted hair, dirty, and wore dirty clothes (however, they were not as aggressive as Traveler children whom I have encountered on Market Day in Westport, Ireland, in the late 1970s) . More to the point, many of them were cross-eyed or had extremely strange teeth, etc. (of course many, many Czechs and Moravians also had terrible teeth–front teeth full of cavities, something one never saw in the USA). Anyhow, I don’t know whether these problems were a result of too much endogamy, or of generations of poor nutrition and alcoholism, which also has a snowball effect down the generations.

    Anyone interested in the Gypsy musical tradition must watch the marvelous Latcho Drom.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latcho_Drom
    你可以在这里观看整件事:

    .

    • 回复: @SIMPLE rom
  23. Biff 说:

    Black immigrants will be happy to sell you some weed.

    Having ‘been there, done that’ it is not real weed, and what ever it is, it is mixed with tobacco – bluaa!

  24. Wally 说:

    Why is this image part Durocher’s article?

  25. 3g4me 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    The term is “zingare” in Italian, and “tsigani” in Bulgarian. And you can definitely tell who is whom; even if some Italians or Bulgarians are dark (and plenty are fair), they don’t look like sub-cons. I’ve encountered a handful of gypsies here in Texas and referred to them as “tsigani.” They didn’t like that, nor that I called the cops on them. My husband encountered one in DC last year. They’re social parasites like another special group, but operate within very different parameters. The outcome, however, is the same. They feed off of European civilization and add nothing to the world.

  26. Disgusted 说:
    @anonymous

    吉普赛人或吉普赛文化是游牧部落的后裔。 这些部落在地球上漫游,当然现在受到国家和地理边界的限制。 从根本上说,他们的文化与多年来日益定居的社区文化不一致,随着牧场和公地继续缩小,游牧部落承受着压力。 对游牧民族的强烈种族主义和强烈反对也进一步形成了社区的抵抗。 他们真的受过苦,没有人在乎。

    @songbird 你怎么能建议吉普赛人应该被驱逐到印度? 他们在欧洲生活了数千年。 按照你扭曲的逻辑,整个反向移民应该在世界各地发生——美国白人和拉丁美洲统治阶级回到欧洲,澳大利亚人回到英国,美国黑人到非洲等等。 但是,当然,您的意思仅适用于非白人。

    我想对吉普赛人(和印度人)公开种族主义是可以的,因为没有大爸爸保护他们,也没有大笔银行资金支持他们。

    • 同意: ivan, Nonny Mouse, Robert White
    • 回复: @Malla
    , @James Scott
    , @Ace
  27. 是的,你们印度人觉得回到旁遮普的吉普赛人(吉普赛人看起来显然是旁遮普语)很可怕。

    Many “Goras” here are unaware (I lived in India off and on for 5 years) a common Malabari/Malayalam slur of anyone above Hindi line is calling em a “Gypsy”.

    You’re happy all your problems leave for Europe.

    吉普赛人不是印第安人。 吉普赛人是旁遮普语 100%。

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @RadicalCenter
    , @druid55
  28. Catdomnj 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    We should applaud someone that has kept their culture for 1500 years? How hard is it to maintain your culture when you get to stay home everyday, never having to go to work?

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  29. Malla 说:
    @SIMPLE rom

    罗马尼亚的吉普赛社区经常有巨大的房子,屋顶上有又高又薄的塔。 他们只开黑色宝马或其他德国汽车。 他们中的许多人并不贫穷

    这些是整个欧洲吉普赛犯罪/乞讨网络的主要人物。

    看看这些很棒的视频。 你会反感他们。 他们真实的一面。 即使是共产主义也无法治愈他们。 有组织的罗马尼亚和保加利亚吉普赛黑手党利用宽容和无私的瑞典人。 保加利亚电视主持人米罗鲁巴·贝纳托娃 (Miroluba Benatova) 的纪录片。

    瑞典的吉普赛乞丐团伙 - 第 1 部分

    瑞典的吉普赛乞丐团伙 - 第 2 部分

    在第一个视频中查看 youtube 上的一条评论

    卡拉孔祖拉
    3年前
    “Glad to see gypsies are leaving Balkans, 自从土耳其人把他们带到这里以来,我们已经和他们闹得够多了。 Gypsies are the worst kind of people. Every help they get end up sold, so they can ask for more later. They will sell their votes for 10 euro, exploit social help system, steal whenever and whatever they can, if they are not strong and numerous enough they will just beg at every corner of the city carrying drugged children or sell their bodies. Worst thing is nobody can touch them cuz they bring up the “racist” thing every time people get enough of them.The very few among them who have some sort of honesty are musicians who are pretty rare sight.”

    土耳其人把他们带到欧洲是为了进一步搞砸欧洲吗? 某种生物战。

    瑞典的吉普赛乞丐团伙 - 第 3 部分

    看看第三段视频的最后一部分吉普赛人如何对待保加利亚本土老人,仿佛他们拥有保加利亚,他们是保加利亚人的领主。 恶心。

  30. Malla 说:
    @Disgusted

    你怎么能建议吉普赛人应该被驱逐到印度?

    It is being suggested for their own good. We all know that the “poor, innocent, vibrant” Gypsies have been the victums of the worst phenomenon in the universe, “YT racism”. Evul Europeans were the predators and poor Gypsies the hapless innocent prey. To save the prey, we remove them from predators, don’t we. If there are chicken (prey, gypsies) trapped in a fox enclosure (Europe), the humane thing to do for the chicken (prey, gypsies), is to remove them from the foxes (predators, evul Europeans) and send them to the chicken pen (India) where they will be happy with each other. You comprende?

    我想对吉普赛人(和印度人)公开种族主义是可以的,因为没有大爸爸保护他们,也没有大笔银行资金支持他们。

    大声笑你是一个天真的傻瓜。 我不了解那些吉普赛人,但我是印度人,我们印度人正在与大银行的钱财们融洽相处。 谁是印度大型 IT 公司的最大客户? 为什么,大型国际银行。 通过挤压一些可怜的不幸的受害者来欺骗、诈骗和赚钱对我们大多数人(以及棕黑色世界中的大多数人)来说都是自然而然的。 我们将在无情的国际金融世界中茁壮成长。 花旗银行的前任 CEO 是一名印度人(一些权威人士的混蛋),他洗劫了银行。 我相信万事达卡的首席执行官或前首席执行官是/曾经是印度人。

    • 回复: @ivan
  31. Malla 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I think the gypsies are most likely Rajasthanis tho a few may be from Punjab. They are called Banjaras here. They are lower caste/nomadic caste here.

    Banjara woman of India

    In Egypt, the gypsies called gawazis were the ones who started belly dancing tradition.

  32. @Malla

    玛拉

    Your pics look like Raj Bedouin nomads.

    Basically, you are more close. DNA exams can only prove Gypsies origins were in N. India somewhere and nobody knows precisely where. Also Gypsies have CONSIDERABLE European admix-founding pop. was from N. India however some local Caucasians married in.

    English gypsies-Romanchal-are so mixed you can hardly see any Indian. Michael Caine was half-Romanchal. Bob Hoskins was half-Romanchal. Slavs always disliked Gypsies and E European Gypsies seem 100% pure N. Indian however English Gypsies mixed as heck.

    Invasions and DNA rearranging in N. India is age-old. You’re own family came from Caspian Sea, no?

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Anonymous
  33. @Adûnâi

    More exactly “rom” simply means “human” in Romanes; plenty of peoples call themselves some variation of humans/our people (Eskimo, Arapaho, …) but precious few have a single word for “not-us”, and both are parasites. Coincidence?

    Actual Romanians hate it no end that their nationality has become the EU go-to euphemism in the crime stats – of course everybody knows what the “Romanian” gangs of car thieves, burglars and human traffickers are, but still …

    – If any people deserve the csigan plague it is the Czechs, as anyone who has visited the erstwhile Sudetenland can attest; I´m as much into ruin porn as the next guy but this is depressing.
    Should some misfortune land you there do not stop for any reason – the squigee boys carry 4-in. nails and are very enterprising.
    (and those forcibly settled 250 years ago are little different).

  34. @Neuday

    Liquidate the NGOs along with the gypsies. Problem solved

  35. @Malla

    As well as being pioneers in the transexual revolution

    • 哈哈: Malla
  36. Svevlad 说:

    What happened to the gypsies is the following:

    The “smart fraction”, formerly composed of artisans craftsmen tinkerers etc, quickly assimilated, and another part got exterminated in ww2 (easy to find thoae that live like normal people). Here and there you can still find some who have the pure phenotype, but rarely. A friend of mine looks like the most stereotypical gypsy, yet she’s extremely hard working and intelligent.

    Imagine if I took let’s say white americans, and outright deletes everyone that isn’t trailer trash. Kinda what happened. A lot were just too stupid and insufferable to be integrated, the ones who could, have been integrated a long time ago

  37. jim jones 说:
    @lloyd

    The Grooming Gang petition has reached the number required to force a debate, I wonder if the politicians will honour their promise:

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300239

  38. Malla 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    English gypsies-Romanchal-are so mixed you can hardly see any Indian.

    Of course the gypsies picked up local genes along the way, Middle Eastern and then later Europeans. maybe they stole some local kids who were later integrated into the community.

    As far as Punjab, I was seeing some rich Gypsy houses in Romanian owned by some top Gypsy kingpin. What is surprising is the houses looked quite similar to houses in Punjab built in Punjabi villages built by Punjabis living in the west. Very garish taste. It is surprising how EVEN the GENES FOR TASTE SURVIVED AFTER SO MANY CENTURIES!!!!

    You’re own family came from Caspian Sea, no?

    Yes. The male line haplogroup.

  39. @Dieter Kief

    Even the version Ziganer is known from German sorces; now look at the Slowakian zikan and the croat cigan and – here you are; no secret or grave etymological problem anywhere to be seen.

    Well, that explains Zigeuner, but not knowing Slovak or Croatian, the trail ends right there for me!

  40. @Catdomnj

    Well, another way of looking at it is this: the key to preserving your culture is to make sure that you–that is, 的课 people–are in control of the education of your children, not some (((hostile race))).

  41. Investigation of Gypsy pick-pocket gangs originating from Bulgaria. They are undeterred by law enforcement.

  42. Bruno L. 说:

    Here in Portugal gypsies are involved in drug trafficking and guns trafficking. In addition, they are constantly in trouble. They assault people, constantly attack other people, and shoot each other. And they still receive subsidies. And when they go to the Social Security building and don’t get what they want, they insult employees and even beat them up

  43. SIMPLE rom 说:
    @Skeptikal

    That seems to be outright indian music. Yugoslavs Emir Kusturica and Goran Bregovici have given gypsy music a more palatable sound.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @Skeptikal
  44. SIMPLE rom 说:
    @Malla

    Gypsies are the most obnoxious people on this planet and it makes me happy that they are bringing the joys of diversity to the degenerate Sweden Yes. They deserve each other.

  45. Canada had a serious problem with gypsies a few years back. They’d fly transcontinental air from Europe, ask for refugee asylum, and then live on benefits until deported.

    They’d claim they were persecuted in Europe by skinhead gangs or whatever. Canada had to tighten up visa requirements to slow down the invasion.

    In reality, the gypsies were just one of many foreign ethnicities gaming the system. Now Canada has a flood of foreign grifters who fly into NYC, take a bus to northern New York State, and then finish the last leg by taxi right to the Canadian border. After being told by Canadian federal police they’re breaking the law, they wheel their suitcases right into Canada and are processed as asylum seekers.

  46. Cyrano 说:
    @Sir Launcelot Canning

    No, man, the deal-breaker was their appearance. They were different than the Europeans and had no snowball chance in hell of being accepted. Call it racism, call it common sense, whatever.

    If there were any smart the gypsies should have waited until present time and hit North America – that’s where the most sensitive human beings on the planet live and that’s where the gypsies would have been accepted in the name of multiculturalism.

    At the time when the gypsies “immigrated” to Europe, that wasn’t how the immigration was usually done. In those days, if you wanted to “immigrate” somewhere, you do it as a conqueror.

    That’s how my own little humble tribe – the Slavs – did it when we moved to the Balkans. You come in in overwhelming numbers – to the natives you offer a deal – stay and be assimilated in our culture or move to greener pastures. That’s how it was done. No bloodshed, no tears. The gypsies’ idea of moving to Europe was hair-brained, they came in small numbers, were not much of conquerors and stayed isolated for centuries.

  47. On Tziganes, Gypsies,after some first hand collisions. Could it be that their mindsets of parasites, propagation as viruses on social hand-outs, acting as chosen ones, needing a more sophisticated environment then their own to embed into, look and feel somehow as low-brow mindset groups? Ethnocentric-ally oriented. Supremely opportunistic. Own values and “education”, dual standards for them and any-body else. A deep focus on food and hygiene, dress, as markers for their group identity. Religious beliefs rather then science and technology, producing virtuosos on the violin, and oral story-tellers of repute.

    Is their any parallel, to be drawn, with the “high-brow”, successful, low fruit only, Jewry?

  48. Skeptikal 说:
    @SIMPLE rom

    You didn’t watch the whole film.
    So, you missed the point of the film and its music, and its theme.
    What kind of expert are you to define what is and what is not “Gypsy” music?
    The director of the film, Tony Gatlif, is a Rom.
    Here is a description of the point of the film, for know-it-alls:

    “Director Tony Gatlif is Rom himself. … It essentially evokes the general movement of Gypsy peoples from Northern India in medieval times and follows them as they wander westward, subtly changing, always persecuted, always moving — and always making music.”

    You appear have a hackneyed idea of Gypsy (suggested by your handle, Simple”), doubtless from imbibing conventional cliche’d images of Gypsies in the popular media. Of course, Gypsies are very good at exploiting these hackneyed notions of the Gadje.

    If you are Rom, all I can say is, Watch the whole film, then come back and report.

    • 回复: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  49. Skeptikal 说:
    @SIMPLE rom

    As for “That seems to be outright indian music. Yugoslavs Emir Kusturica and Goran Bregovici have given gypsy music a more palatable sound.”
    Obviously also you have no ear for Indian music and eye for the dance.
    You appear to me to be an ignoramus.

    • 回复: @SIMPLE rom
  50. Wally 说:
    @Svevlad

    说过:
    “The “smart fraction”, formerly composed of artisans craftsmen tinkerers etc, quickly assimilated, and another part got exterminated in ww2”

    – What proof do you have that they were “exterminated in WWII”?

    • 回复: @Svevlad
    , @Gleimhart Mantooso
  51. @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Nope they’re shit-tier Indians.

    Shit-tier Indians vs the dregs of the hovels of Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland… sounds like a wash to me.

    One group got a big leg up in the first quarter of the 20th century, thanks to the British political class (and in the third quarter, got another big boost from the US political class).

    If the Gyppos had had similar sponsorship, they would have got similar results: compared to the shekel-grubbers[1], they have the same natural cunning, group loyalty and disdain for outgroup honour systems.

    The impact of the Gyppos on European civilisation has been benign by comparison – and they are not constantly screeching about what happened to them in the early 1940s.

    [1] For those interested in etymology, this is not the source of ‘Schicklgruber’ – ‘grubber‘ indicates someone who lived in a valley, or lowlands (or a pit), and schickl seems to a cognate of the Alemannic schikelen (to trade, deal etc). ‘Trader who lives in a valley‘: quite an interesting name – far more interesting than, say, “Cabbage-hammer“, but not as cool as Ermentraut (‘all-encompassing strength’).

    • 回复: @Digital Samizdat
  52. @Malla

    土耳其人把他们带到欧洲是为了进一步搞砸欧洲吗? 某种生物战。

    If there’s one thing the Turks are good at, it’s throwing ‘refugees’ at Europe.

    • 哈哈: Malla
  53. @Kratoklastes

    Interestingly enough, Schicklgruber was the surname Hitler’s father had at birth:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler

  54. Svevlad 说:
    @Wally

    Real proof… Not that I know of. Perhaps I saw it once somewhere, but forgot. Making a logical assumption from other historical data that I don’t have saved (like when and by whom some villages were formed, and you can guess that modern day gypsies aren’t exactly the sort of people who can form villages that are permanent and exist to this day).

    It’s kinda obvious, we know that gypsies were targeted in WW2, now the Germans wouldn’t go chasing around some wagon dwellers who constantly move around, they’d go for the settled ones living in cities, easiest to pick off

    • 回复: @Wally
  55. At the political level, the EU demands, in order to access its funds, “introducing a specific ex ante thematic conditionality, which requires an appropriate national Roma integration strategy to be in place for using funds for Roma integration” (p. 9).

    I wonder whether the EU asked the Gypsies whether they wanted to be integrated.

    Of course, Gypsies would like one or two of the side-effects of integration, such as a higher income; but integration into a world that they consider unclean (海事)? Associating freely with gorgers, treating them the same as Gypsies, and therefore not stealing from them or swindling them? The problems do not lie entirely with the majority population.

  56. 吉普赛人基本上是有大脑的黑人。

    That doesn’t improve matters.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  57. No. Max IQ average 83, likely far less.

  58. Anonymous[210]• 免责声明 说:

    Believe me:

    West African blacks – of the type imported into America as slaves, and currently being imported by the millions by the EU – are *无限地* worse in character and behavior than Gypsies.
    Apart from generally ‘stinking to High Heaven’ and being irritating beggars and thieves, Gypsies are a minor nuisance – the pile of dog shit on the sidewalk that you step into. Blacks, by comparison, are coronavirus. Virulent, deeply unpleasant, obnoxious, evil to the bone, devious, duplicitous, hateful, vengeful and murderous.

    • 回复: @John Johnson
    , @jeff stryker
  59. @Malla

    玛拉

    I’m interested in ancient white invasions of Northern India. How did Scythian or Caspian sea Caucasians manage to integrate into the caste system?

    • 回复: @Malla
  60. SIMPLE rom 说:
    @Skeptikal

    you have no ear for Indian music

    I don’t. I freaking hate that thing. What I know about gypsies comes from having the misfortune to live near them all my life.

  61. Anonymous[628]• 免责声明 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Bob Hoskins was an Ashkenazi Jew from both parental lines.

    – That ‘Gipsy’ nonsense is pure show-bizz puff.

  62. Malla 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Scythians were not the only ones, there were Kushans, White Huns, Khambojas, Tusharas (Tocharians from the borders of China) and most famous of all the Aryans who came much earlier, 4500 years ago from now. The Scythians (Sacas) mostly joined the Warrior upper caste, Kshatriyas. They married local women. Joining the caste system is simple, you have to become a Hindu from a barbarian (mleccha) which can be done by accepting the primacy of Brahmins. Some purification rites (shuddhi) ceremony should do it.
    The warrior Rajputs are said to be of Scythian descent, from their male side at least.

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Just Passing Through
  63. Malla 说:
    @Alfa158

    YT has a long history of romanticizing the darkies. From Saladin to the noble savage to gypsies, YTs cannot give up this romanticize the darkie mental disease.

    Unfortunately darkies rarely romanticize the YTs or anybody from a different tribe for that matter. No Arab-Kurd romanticized Richard the Lionheart.

    • 回复: @Anon
  64. S 说:

    I once came across an article some years ago here in the US in a local (smaller town) newspaper about a Christian lay minister who was attempting to help the Roma people (ie ‘Gypsies’). He seemed really quite sincere, however in the interview of him he commented upon how he was having some real difficulties in accomplishing his mission.

    This was the part of the article that it surprised me (amazed rather) was published.

    According to this minister (and I’m only barely paraphrasing from memory) it was a foundational myth amongst the Gypsie people that the sole reason for the existance of non-Gypsies was to be preyed upon, exploited, and robbed by Gypsies. And this reality was making it extremely difficult for him to succeed in helping them (the Gypsies) in any meaningful way.

    I’ve never read anything like that since about Gypsies one way or the other. Maybe someone here can elaborate if there was any truth in what the minister said in the article and what exactly the Gypsies do teach themselves about outsiders (ie non-Gypsies) and their relationship with them.

  65. There are gypsies in Texas.

    They have a reputation for pulling short term scams on home owners and marrying 13 year olds.

    Liberals of course tell us these are just stereotypes created by evil White men.

    Funny how some of these stereotypes managed to cross the ocean.

    White men are so crafty. There must be an underground stereotype exchange they take part in.

    I’m sure gypsies everywhere were be outstanding law abiding citizens if White men weren’t trying to hold them down.

    • 回复: @Daniel H
  66. @Anonymous

    West African blacks – of the type imported into America as slaves, and currently being imported by the millions by the EU – are *无限地* worse in character and behavior than Gypsies.

    它们可能很难找到,但关于班图的早期基督教传教士报告相当有趣。

    他们真的破坏了自由种族的幻想,因为这些传教士正在尽最大努力以被动的方式改变和教化他们。

    One of the main complaints was that Christianity wouldn’t stick for more than a day. The Africans would be saved on Sunday and then “forget” that they weren’t supposed to do bad things the rest of the week. Then again on the following Sunday they would be a sworn Christian again.

    We see this in the US where Blacks are statistically one of the most Christian groups and yet their men fill the prisons. Liberals and outsiders assume this because of racism but in reality the judges are very light on Blacks if they keep it to themselves. If a Black gang member shoots another he won’t see 10 years. In areas like Baltimore where the system is swamped they will actually write off a shooting as simple assault if no one was killed. There is currently a case where a Black DC cop is spilling the beans on this practice but it happens everywhere.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/whistleblower-claims-dc-police-downgrading-crime-appear-to-be-corroborated-by-internal-documents

    • 回复: @Dreyher
  67. Anonymous[170]• 免责声明 说:
    @S

    I’ve heard of an old Gipsy legend about stealing the nails from Christ’s crucifixion – supposedly explaining why Christ has only one single nail through both feet in the common depictions of the Crucifixion.
    This is claimed as a ‘divine licence’ for Gipsies to steal from their hosts at will.

    The story is obviously trash since Gipsies were quite unknown in Palestine for at least another 1000 years.

    • 回复: @John Johnson
    , @anon
  68. Malla 说:
    @Malla

    And the strange thing is though Lord Buddha was a prince of Scythian descent, the Scythian descended Rajputs played a big part in destroying Buddhism in India with brutality with their Brahmin buddies/masters.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  69. @Anonymous

    I remember reading something similar.

    Something about them have a free pass on theft for non-gypsies.

  70. Daniel H 说:
    @John Johnson

    There are gypsies in Texas.

    They have a reputation for pulling short term scams on home owners and marrying 13 year olds.

    These are Irish traveler “gypsies”, right? It is interesting that there are Irish-American travelrs. They are not recent immigrants, but came over during the great waves of Irish immigration. They didn’t fit in in Ireland and they don’t fit in here. They marry amongst themselves and keep their dysfunctional (to our eyes, not theirs) ways going. Here is a write up about an Irish traveler town down in South Carolina,

    https://theaccidentalphotographer.me/2019/01/27/an-insight-into-murphy-villages-irish-travellers-community/

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
  71. Pontius 说:
    @obwandiyag

    I bet they do. Which is why their faces are always blurred out when they attend any function on My Big Fat American Gyspy Wedding.

  72. Thekid 说:

    While I don’t know much about the Roma, the remark about school being a glorified babysitting service is on point.

  73. @Malla

    I’m just curious because I did not find Goras were thought highly of when I was in India.

    然而,大多数有影响力的群体都是外星种族。 例如在喀拉拉邦,所谓的叙利亚基督徒是一群中世纪的犹太人,他们有权势和富有(他们因某种原因与当地婆罗门妇女结婚)。

    • 回复: @xcd
  74. @Anonymous

    Gypsies are not physically big enough to overpower people in America. US blacks are generally a physically powerful group (On average) and black criminals are usually six footers who weigh at least 200 pounds and have an athletic physique.

    Gypsies are Indians. Slight of build, tubby, generally short or short-average height, not overly muscular. Their crimes are low-wit cerebral as oppose to strong-arm robbery.

    Possibly in Europe whites are now so utterly cucked that they are scared of Gypsies, but towering rednecks and oil-worker roughnecks are not really that afraid of physically slight South Asians raised on a lousy junk-food diet in Texas.

    Probably-like former white professional criminals who have now disappeared for the most part-Gypsies in America fear prison where their body will be traded for candy bars by blacks. Crime, in part, comes down to physical size. Black thugs are big. Most are over six foot, over 200 pounds.

  75. Anonymous[283]• 免责声明 说:
    @jeff stryker

    Generally, all Gipsies do is get what they want from whitey, and then retreat and leave whitey alone.
    But your blacks – hateful, deceitful and duplicitous to the end – from one side of the mouth screams hatred for whitey, and from the other side demands that whitey loves him.

    • 回复: @Malla
  76. Antiwar7 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Supposedly, cigani (tsee-gahn-ee), used throughout eastern Europe and I believe is the source of the German word, comes from some word meaning “untouchable”, according to this source:
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cig%C3%A1ny

    It was like that for Albanians in the former Yugoslavia: the PC term was Albanac, but the common term was Siptar (ship-tar), which was considered racist, even though the Albanian term for Albanian is Shqiptar.

    This kind of “out group cannot use in group term” is a great trick to accuse the out group (the majority) of racism.

    • 回复: @Ship Track
  77. Anonymous[355]• 免责声明 说:
    @songbird

    印度已经派员并表示欢迎他们返回(在非洲和阿拉伯国家你不会看到这一点,多少年后也是如此)

  78. @S

    也许他们在印度的时候都崇拜过盗贼之神。 对他们来说,这并不可耻,他们只是在实践他们的宗教,尽管他们可能已经忘记了它曾经是什么。

    There were rumours about Gypsies kidnapping white children throughout history and in all locations. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe they just liked them and allowed them to grow up as Gypsies and hence some became as fair skinned as Europeans. I hope they weren’t secretly selling some of them to the Synagogues for those blood rituals. From what GD wrote they may now be stealing even Arab children.

  79. @Malla

    他们的语言呢? 与印度/巴基斯坦的任何方言有什么相似之处吗?

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Jay Ritchie
    , @anonymous
  80. @jeff stryker

    杰夫

    Gypsies used to be known for being quite handy with knives, razors and razor blades. And the Gypsy King Tyson Fury, would be a handful for any black thug even with his fists. Some are fairly well integrated into the host communities and unless you saw them in a group you wouldn’t suspect them of being Gypos. They are not all petty criminals, a few are involved in quite professional high level scams and swindles, and some are bosses of powerful gangs, especially some French gypsies. The original Western gypsies are hard to tell apart from the locals, as you mentioned for the English and Irish ones, it’s the new ones who moved from Eastern Europe who stand out. Traditionally they were horse rustlers and horse traders.

    • 回复: @jeff stryker
  81. Pericles 说:
    @Malla

    There was a period when beggars were ubiquitous in Sweden and the media bleeding hearts were spurting in sympathy like crazy. But after a while, it seems people grew tired of beggar grandmas everywhere, the officials started feeling stupid I guess, the gypsy beggar camps were cleared out, and now it’s actually been a while since I last saw one rattling her cup. Maybe that’s just locally, maybe they’ve moved on.

    (Gypsies are fairly disliked in Sweden as well, but as usual we tend to hold our peace.)

    • 回复: @Malla
  82. Pericles 说:
    @Svevlad

    Imagine if I took let’s say white americans, and outright deletes everyone that isn’t trailer trash. Kinda what happened.

    With whites, what happens is Australia.

    • 回复: @Svevlad
    , @Wizard of Oz
  83. Pericles 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    有传言说吉普赛人在历史上和所有地方绑架白人儿童。 我想知道那是怎么回事。

    Father of economics, Adam Smith, (yes Adam Smith) was abducted by gypsies as a child, but was recovered after a community effort.

    Described in wikipedia even:

    In 亚当·斯密的生平, Rae writes: “In his fourth year, while on a visit to his grandfather’s house at Strathendry on the banks of the Leven, [Smith] was stolen by a passing band of gypsies, and for a time could not be found. But presently a gentleman arrived who had met a Romani woman a few miles down the road carrying a child that was crying piteously. Scouts were immediately dispatched in the direction indicated, and they came upon the woman in Leslie wood. As soon as she saw them she threw her burden down and escaped, and the child was brought back to his mother. [Smith] would have made, I fear, a poor gypsy.”

    • 谢谢: Commentator Mike, tomo
    • 回复: @Sokrates
  84. Svevlad 说:
    @Pericles

    Well, after accidentally eugenicising oneself for many years prior, that tends to occur

    I guess indians liked to keep the scum around instead of bonking them like we did

  85. @Daniel H

    The Irish Travelers are not related to the Indian-origin (i.e. Roma) Gypsies. Although records do not exist, DNA studies suggest that they split from the settled Irish 12 generations ago (or 8 to 14 generations with 95% confidence). The split may date from Cromwell’s invasion of Ireland in the mid-17th Century, or from one of Ireland’s many other upheavals in this period, such as the Plantation of Ulster, or the famine of 1740-41.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep42187
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/travellers-as-genetically-different-from-settled-irish-as-spanish-1.2969515

    Irish Travelers seem to have discovered the same cultural niche as the Roma – theft and scams, endogamy, and a belief that the outside world is unclean. They are often in the crime pages of British newspapers. I have to assume that most of them do legal work, for example in construction, because otherwise there would be many more crime reports.

    The men do not like being filmed. It’s either that, if identified as travelers, they would have difficulty finding work in a prejudiced society; or that they are wanted by police or by the people they have scammed. Take your pick.

    The most famous Irish Traveler these days is Tyson Fury.

  86. @S

    ‘… According to this minister (and I’m only barely paraphrasing from memory) it was a foundational myth amongst the Gypsie people that the sole reason for the existance of non-Gypsies was to be preyed upon, exploited, and robbed by Gypsies…’

    Why do I find myself thinking of the eminent Ovadia Josef?

    • 同意: tomo
    • 哈哈: Rosie
  87. They are the pest. And European high culture (Hugo, Merimee, Pushkin, Liszt…all the way to Garcia Lorca) is guilty of romanticizing these trashy parasites.

  88. Cato 说:

    Gypsies in Bulgaria and Romania report the lowest levels of discrimination (22% and 29% in the last 5 years, respectively).

    Not that curious, really. In a location with large numbers of gypsies, they spend their time with each other, and do not find anything wrong with each other. But, where there are few, they interact often with outsiders, and find that the outsiders do not fully understand or appreciate them.

    A different point: In Turkey, gypsies are much less likely to be involved in crime and much more likely to have a socially useful function. For example, gypsies roam Istanbul, looking in the trash containers, removing and selling the recyclables (though Afghan refugees have recently begun to displace them, using violence). They sell flowers and play music in restaurants. Gypsies in Turkey speak Turkish, though maintaining a separate (and, yes, less prestigious) identity. But they are still Turkish. So something about Christian Europe has discouraged their assimilation.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
    , @tomo
  89. Anon[250]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    Indians romanticize Whites. Lots of White women in Bollywood.

    • 回复: @Malla
  90. @Commentator Mike

    Tyson Fury is an Irish Traveler, not a Gypsy.

    He’s one hundred percent Irish.

    Robert Duvall the actor is an Irish Traveler. Those people are called gypsies because they are nomadic, but they are not related to actual Gypsies.

    • 谢谢: Commentator Mike
    • 回复: @Kolya Krassotkin
  91. Malla 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    No idea about that because I have never spoken to them. I closest I got to them was during my college days while travelling, in a small shared six seater rickshaw full of (stuffed to the brim) banjara women and girls, a lot of those banjara girls were staring at me/ hitting on me/flirting with me & my friend, but we did not speak with any of them. They stink to high heaven and the vehicle smelled suffocatingly bad. Me and my friend were the only guys, two city guys in a vehicle full of stinking nomadic banjara females. They were talking (a lot of shouting) to each other in a strange language close to some form of Rajastani, I guess. Rajasthan=Nothern State in India bordering Pakistan, famous for palaces and deserts.
    I guess they speak the local languages where they live but it is possible they have their own language (may be a type of Rajastani/Marwari*) or speak the local language with their own variation (like Yiddish to German).
    Marwari=type of language from Rajasthan from the Marwar part of Rajasthan. Ethnic Marwaris are one of the most mercantile ethnics of India owning most of our big corporations along with Gujrathis from the Western State of Gujrat which borders Rajasthan.

    • 谢谢: lloyd
    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  92. Malla 说:
    @Anon

    Most White women in Bollywood just dance as extras behind the main actress/heroine. White women on average are very beautiful and exotic, hence the popularity. Also many Indians are thrilled to see White people dancing to our Bollywood songs.

    • 回复: @JohnPlywood
  93. Malla 说:
    @Pericles

    the gypsy beggar camps were cleared out, and now it’s actually been a while since I last saw one rattling her cup.

    Good to hear that!

  94. anon[141]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    A commenter said that here a couple of years ago.
    10 inch nails weren’t all that easy to come by in 33 AD and the one the gipsies stole was meant to be driven through the heart.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  95. Malla 说:
    @Anonymous

    from the other side demands that whitey loves him.

    And a lot of Whiteys do love them. Even women in Ukraine are twerking their behinds to their music now. In Ukraine!!!!

    • 回复: @JohnnyWalker123
  96. @Malla

    They have their own Romani language:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_language

    There is mention of an Indian Institute of Romani Studies at Chandigarh towards the end of the article but nothing about similarities to any indigenous Indian dialects.

    • 回复: @BlackFlag
  97. @Malla

    Why doesn’t India have a huge corona epidemic yet?

    Are they under counting the cases?

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @ivan
  98. Anonymous[110]• 免责声明 说:
    @anon

    Actually, the Romans were very big on 10″ iron nails.
    The remains of Inchuthill fortress, excavated in Scotland in the 1950s yielded literally *吨* of 10″ nails buried in a deep pit.
    So great was the number of nails that apart from the specimens kept for archaeological purposes, the bulk of the hoard was sold as scrap metal – a shame I think, as an enterprising entrepreneur could have solid them off, individually, as curios by placing press adverts. I, for, one, would have been happy to have purchased one.

  99. @Cato

    Gypsies in Bulgaria and Romania report the lowest levels of discrimination (22% and 29% in the last 5 years, respectively).

    Or maybe it’s because they’re used to it and just don’t care; until these western NGOs started showing up telling them that certain words and behaviour were non-PC, wanting to spoil their relations with their majority hosts.

    • 回复: @S
    , @Cyrano
  100. Malla 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    India Could Be Next Coronavirus Hotspot, in Worst Case up to 60% Could Be Infected

    In an exclusive 50-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, Dr Laxminarayan said that he found it hard to believe the Health Ministry’s official figure which, on their website at 12 noon on Wednesday the 18th, said that India had 130 people with the Coronavirus infection in addition to the 14 who have recovered and the 3 who have died. He says if the United Kingdom can accept that they have underestimated the number infected by a factor of 12, at the very least the situation would be the same in India. That means there are over 1,500 undetected cases. In fact, given our size and population density, Dr. Laxminarayan estimates that India is bound to have 10,000 or more undetected Coronavirus cases.

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
  101. S 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    有传言说吉普赛人在历史上和所有地方绑架白人儿童。 我想知道那是怎么回事。

    I’d heard story’s of parents warning kids who were acting up in Europe centuries ago that the ‘Gypsies would kidnap them’ if they didn’t behave. Either that, or the family would sell the kid to the Gypsies themselves if he or she didn’t change their ways.

    • 回复: @Guillaume Durocher
    , @Poco
  102. S 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Gypsies seem to be one of the few groups that people in general don’t bother with the official ‘pc’ language about, ie they simply say ‘Gypsy’ rather than the pc Roma.

    I’ve observed multiple commercial settings where ‘advisories’ about ‘Gypsies’ were given. One of those was a retail store that had an open warning on a bulletin board advising of ‘Gypsy’ gangs entering the store, and while one distracted a clerk, the others would walk out with arm loads of merchandise.

    None of that was to be ‘cruel’ or ‘mean’ of course on the merchant’s part, but rather it was simply a reflection of the reality they were dealing with.

  103. Cyrano 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    这是一个真正让我崩溃的故事。 1997 年的几个月里,加拿大爆发了吉普赛人的歇斯底里症。 它们是电视上的几部纪录片,讲述了东欧吉普赛人令人心碎的困境。 故事的角度是——种族主义的斯拉夫人如何虐待这些优秀的多元文化人类。

    https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1997/8/25/gypsy-dreams

    然后他们把他们中的几个带到加拿大,并期待“民主”对贫穷的吉普赛人施展魔法。 大约一年左右后,他们检查了新来的吉普赛人,发现他们没有取得一厘米的进步,而且他们也不打算这样做。

    这就是西方衰落的原因。 因为那里满是有议程的白痴,他们想要证明斯拉夫人是邪恶的和坏的,而西方是人文主义的顶峰。 去吧,把所有斯拉夫土地上的吉普赛人带走,你们这些伟大的人文主义者。 但显然,自从加拿大对吉普赛人同情的鼎盛时期以来,态度已经发生了变化。 我想知道他们今天对恶劣的种族主义斯拉夫人和他们对可怜的吉普赛人的待遇(哭泣)有什么看法。

    https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2017/05/06/roma-say-theyre-being-barred-from-flights-to-canada.html

    • 回复: @tomo
  104. BlackFlag 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes, didn’t Guillaume forget about language when he said: “without maintaining their own sovereign state or religion, the two traditional ways of preserving peoplehood.”

    • 回复: @Guillaume Durocher
  105. @BlackFlag

    That’s a good point. How widespread is use of Romani? My impression is many Gypsy communities use a Gypsified dialect of the local dialect, like the Jews speak Yiddish or Ladino.

    • 回复: @ogunsiron
  106. @Commentator Mike

    他们的语言呢? 与印度/巴基斯坦的任何方言有什么相似之处吗?

    如果我可以举几个轶事:

    – 我的一个同学(在英国)是旁遮普省的移民。 他的父亲不会说英语——后来告诉我这个故事。 他(父亲)环顾一家商店,试图弄清楚该买什么以及如何买食物。 另一个在他看来是英国人的男人正在看着他。

    当父亲独自一人在角落里时,另一个人走过来,悄悄地和他说话,确保没有人能听懂,并帮助他买东西。 所讲的语言至少足够透明,可以让他们进行交流并完成工作。 另一个人解释说他是吉普赛人,但不想让人们知道。

    ——我认识的一位哲学教授是个很有气势的老人。 白胡子,白头发,鲜艳的绿色马甲等等。他是巴黎抢劫未遂的对象。 他用他最好的梵语大喊“我是巫师”,抢劫他的男孩们逃走了。

    • 回复: @Malla
  107. anonymous[400]• 免责声明 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    在最近的吉普赛人从东向西移动之前,吉普赛人的外表变得更轻了。 那种轻盈来自某个地方。 此外,由于各种原因,吉普赛人需要浅肤色的人,例如他们可以在不被注意的情况下进入不同的区域。 白人出现的乞丐得到更多的钱。 当吉普赛人与更大社会的成员打交道时,较轻的类型扮演着各种中间人的角色。

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  108. I’ve heard that if you see a light skinned woman begging in California with a child it is usually a gypsy.

    It’s usually one child and they won’t answer questions about where they are staying or if they want assistance.

  109. Big Bill 说:
    @Adûnâi

    说到名字,我们位于中西部的城市从 100 多年前就有了禁止“假埃及人”(算命、魔法药水等)活动的法律。

  110. 罗马是意大利的首都。 我被引导相信这些人是罗姆人或罗姆人,而不是罗姆人。

    这本书 罗曼尼黑麦 乔治·博罗 (George Borrow) 是 19 世纪中叶的作家,这可能是相关的。

  111. ivan 说:
    @Malla

    I agree we are bad. But we cannot out Jew the Jews of Wall Street. My impression of the situation is that the Indians tried to ingratiate themselves with the high class Jews but were cut loose as prey for the lapping dogs. The devil takes the hindmost. It was very amusing to read that the guys who went to the wall for their crimes during the 2008 crises were Indians . Fellows like Rajaram – strictly Sri Lankan – and Gupta the accountant. Anyone would think that it is Indians who are running Wall Street.

    • 回复: @Malla
  112. ivan 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I believe that living in the tropics and having the top spots in terms of the worst cities in the world to live in helps. Indian air and water pollution may have already conferred ‘herd immunity’.

  113. @Svevlad

    Imagine if I took let’s say white americans, and outright deletes everyone that isn’t trailer trash.

    Interestingly, you’d get the same results as taking white europeans and deleting everyone that isn’t trailer trash.

  114. @Commentator Mike

    Not rumors. My lovely, alas deceased, Polish girlfriend was nearly kidnapped by Gypsies when she was about 4 or 5 years old. About 1964, from a public park in downtown Warsawa near a river. The park was crowded with Moms and kids. When her mother realized she was gone the Moms flipped and fanned out searching. They caught up with an old Gypsy bitch leading the child to a boat piloted by a Gypsy bastard waiting on the river.

    • 谢谢: Commentator Mike
  115. @Gunga Din

    Their musical talent. For instance, Ion Voicu was of Roma extraction.

  116. @jeff stryker

    Gypsies are not physically big enough to overpower people in America. US blacks are generally a physically powerful group (On average) and black criminals are usually six footers who weigh at least 200 pounds and have an athletic physique.

    That’s only on television. Sure Blacks are larger than gypsies but they have a lot more variation than depicted on tv.

    A lot of Blacks are actually pretty skinny from eating too many carbs and in the south you will notice a lot of them are less mixed and darker/smaller than on tv.

    I would be a lot more cautious around the smaller Black thugs. They are more likely to draw a gun over a wrong look.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  117. @Wally

    What proof do you have that they were “exterminated in WWII”?

    Because it happened to precisely 6,000,000 of them.

  118. Beau Nydle 说:
    @Gunga Din

    I’m such a fledgling on this site, I have to reply, just to agree.

  119. I remember now, up until a few months ago at least, there were gypsies who regularly begged in front of my local Whole Foods. One, a guy with an accordion who couldn’t play for shit, with a boom box also, and then a varying cast of man + woman + 1 or 2 children who seemed to be drugged, begging away. I tried striking up a convo with the woman when it was just her and one of the older kids, and the kid told me the woman spoke German but not English. So yeah, these gypsy networks are worldwide.

    Send them all back to India, or Punjab, or hell, the Skeleton Coast, no one will miss them.

  120. @Malla

    India’s population is fairly young and so it will not be catastrophic, the rich people will likely get adequate healthcare and if you are poor…well if you have managed to survive in India past the age of 5 whilst being poor, I doubt this overhyped bat flu will kill you.

    It seems Pakistan are recording cases better.

    https://www.dawn.com

  121. Ghali 说:

    The article is very racist and to certain extent extreme. The author shows lack of education by targeting certain minorities (Muslims and Arabs), while pretends to be less racist towards the minirity Roma (Gypsy). He would be comfortable in Hitler’s Brown Shirts or the U.S. KKK.

    • 哈哈: Kolya Krassotkin, Mefobills
  122. @Malla

    Yeah so beautiful they’re third place in their own countries behind Asian and Mestiza women.

    • 回复: @Poco
    , @Just Passing Through
  123. With luck they will steer clear of hospitals too when the Wuflu rips through their noxious little communities.

  124. I am close to a FRench woman who will occasionally let a critical remark about ARabs escape her. But in speaking of the Gypsies she has never said anything that is not contemptuous. And why should she? We see them begging, stealing, pickpocketing in the Metro. The most grotesque photos of deformed children are used to excite our compassion when they beg. In the Metro there’s a lame guy who wears shorts even in winter to display his horribly curved legs. Gangs of them pickpocketing in the Metro have been there ever since I arrived two decades ago. Durocher may admire them for their perdurance, but they excite in me a real contempt for the authorities who don’t lock them up or expel them. Some of them really do play music well, I admit.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  125. @songbird

    By far the most sensible strategy — therefore the least likely to be followed.

  126. Alfred 说:

    In the 1980’s, in Paris, I used to go out a lot to night clubs. These were really smart and expensive places. Sometimes, there would be fights between groups of Lebanese and groups of Gypsies. But these Lebanese were really from the upper-crust of their society – as were the Gypsies. I think the fights were usually over women.

    In today’s Russia, small landowners sometimes use Gypsies to plough their field with their horses. They have an affinity with horses. They don’t have black horses because they are afraid the Russian army will take them away – as happened in WW1.

  127. Ship Track 说:
    @Antiwar7

    Anybody who has seen or heard about the Gypsey camps would know why they are considered untouchable. The camps are left full of garbage, some toxic, and there are piles of feces for hundreds of meters around the camp. It is worse than a homeless camp in San Francisco. Having a caravan of Gypsey’s set up camp on your property is an extreme stroke of misfortune.

    These gypsies also manage to afford expensive German vans, many Mercedes, and large, fancy German caravans, like Tabbart.

    My wife’s aunt and uncle were simultaneously pick-pocketed by Gypseys while they watched the the Gypsey children putting on a scene at a train station in Paris.

    In an era of TB, Hepatitus and Corona virus anybody who doesn’t consider them “untouchable” is borderline suicidal.

  128. Isolated 说:

    I am from Finland and we have had gypsies or roma for some 500 years. They still use traditional costumes (esp. women) and stay in their own social spheres and still speak their own language though all of them do speak fluent Finnish (or even Swedish) but with certain accent. They are not disturbing people on the streets by aggressive begging unlike the newcomers from e.g. Romania or the Balkans. “Our” gypsies seem to be proud of their culture and who they are and direct begging would be discracefull I guess. However, many of seem to be traders by nature and sometimes also swindlers or occasionally also direct thieves. Some also work normally. However, self isolation is part of their culture and they really want to stay among their own tribe. My son who, due to his work, had some gypsies as his coworkers had really interesting talks with them esp. about how their culture and social norms force them from integrating into “white society”. By the way, they call as whities or “valkolainen” in Finnish, and we call them blackies or “mustalainen” – but our PC & WW (I really love the WW expression 🙂 !) society calls the roma or “romani” in Finnish. However, they often like to call themselves blackies! I guess it is their way of showing “middle finger” to those WWPC people who infantilize them and in that way treat them with disrespect. Anyhow, according to my son the social norms to keep people within their own group are really strict and e.g. vocational education is no-no and leads to total or partial exclusion from the group. The same applies to young women, they must choose at certain age if they want to use traditional woman’s costume or not. If not, they are excluded from the community. They also are careful about who to marry and from which clan or family. So basically it is not only about how us whities “oppress” them but also about their own choices in order to keep their culture. Personally I think “our” gypsies are part of our society in their peculiar way and that’s fine but it is in a way disturbing how WW &PC society intantilizes them! They are totally capable to look after themselves.

  129. @Gunga Din

    A typical white idiot! Durocher is leading you like a dog that you are. The gypsy has been stealing your chickens and you want to hang him for it, in the meantime, the Jew has been giving it to you in the ass, financially and religiously (Judeo-Christian?) and now he is the leading citizen and savior. And let’s not even talk about blacks who are giving it to the white darlings where the sun doesn’t shine. But the dirty Arab takes the cake for convincing you that it’s the Roma, who hasn’t changed Europe in fifteen centuries culturally, that deserves to be at last eradicated and not him who has brought filth of Islam to your shores. Hopefully, the Turk will flood 100 million jihadists from Bulgaria to Portugal. You don’t deserve gypsies!

    • 回复: @jbwilson24
  130. @Malla

    里海,我的屁股……你是一个泰米尔黑鬼,纯粹而简单!

    • 回复: @Malla
  131. As many have pointed out, Jews are just high functioning Gypsies. Otherwise the behaviour is the same; a lifetime devoted to scamming the host nation while doing everything possible to stay apart from it.

    To their credit, unlike Jews, Gypsies don’t devote an equal amount of energy to destroying the host culture too.

    • 同意: anarchyst
  132. The last word on Roma …

    There is a book by Isabella Fonsceca, Ph. D. (Columbia, NYC) a Jewess, titled “Bury me Standing” which might give half empty vessels on gypsies some notions about human nature.

  133. @John Johnson

    Obviously Eddie Murphy is not going to overpower Dolph Lundgren.

    I’ve read somewhere that white bikers are given a huge berth in prison. But they are ready to kill or be killed on an increment.

  134. @Pericles

    I think your formulation for what happened in Australia is more or less the reverse of the facts. Apart from some pretty strong selection amongst the voluntary and involuntary immigrants of the first 60 years there was the swamping of their numbers by healthy enterprising gold rush immigrants from 1850.

  135. So what you are telling me is modern education is basically a genocidal tool. Yes? No?

  136. The Dude 说:

    当我住在巴尔干地区时,吉普赛人的棚户区离我的社区不远。 In fact, they had settled adjacent to my great-grandfather’s property, which necessitated him to be one of the few folks in town who owed a rifle for self-protection. 他们倾向于保持孤立并在交配方面保持自我,并且有一种准语言,比原始语言更像是对当地语言的混杂。 在宗教方面,他们往往是变色龙。 Given that they are what Canada would term “visible minorities” it’s easy to spot one–even when they are sophisticated educated types, of which there are about 1 in 1000+. They tend to be musicians, pull-cart operators (“hamals”), horse traders/thieves, they do small favours for tips, like running to buy smokes for people day-drinking, etc., and they tend to fight a lot (which tends to be mostly histrionics and comical stuff, like throwing shoes at each other, etc.). If you run into a group (“suriya”) of 5 or more (which is most often how they move) by yourself, even if it is out in the open, you’ll probably get jumped by them, but it generally only lasts a few seconds. 这可能被视为报复,因为他们往往会因为他们提供的服务做得不好而受到抨击。 普遍的印象是他们的智商徘徊在 70 左右。 一年级开始时,我们的教室里有 3-4 个吉普赛孩子。 到年底,除了一个之外,所有其他人都被转移到了特殊需求部门(1 多个本地孩子中的 20 个将被送到那里)。 但是通过一年级的1,作为C学生按时毕业了八年级。 He became a wedding musician by that time, and I’m not sure if he went on to finish high school. 除了拳击,他们不怎么参加体育运动。 每个星期天都可以从城镇的另一端听到带有刺耳音乐的婚礼。 My grandfather was close friends with a “sophisticated” Gypsy–his nickname was, of course, “Whitey”, and my assessment of they guy is that his IQ was around 90 at best. 但他是一个体面的人,有一个体面的家庭,他的孩子仍然融入社会。 The biggest difference between “sophisticated” and run of the mill Gypsies tends to be that the sophisticated are mostly trustworthy, while you can never trust a regular Gypsy. 他们的政治领袖往往是阿尔夏普顿式的骗子,总是站在执政党一边。 自 1950 年代以来,政府一直试图通过将他们安置在正常社区中来将他们融入社会。 When a Gypsy clan would move to your street, it wasn’t so much “there goes the neighbourhoods” as much as “here comes free entertainment”. Here’s a description given on Balkan Gypsies from the turn of the 20th century.

    马其顿:它的种族和他们的未来
    H.布雷斯福德
    四、 马其顿的种族

    3. 吉普赛人

    Two other races belong to the Turkish group though they neither amalgamate with it, nor entirely share its privileges — the gipsies and the Jews. The gipsies are fairly numerous. They occupy separate quarters in the outskirts of all the larger towns. Some are sedentary and follow their traditional trade of blacksmith. Others are grooms and wandering pedlars, and most of them are supposed to add to their legitimate incomes by skilful and judicious horse-thieving. Their colonies are indescribably curious in their squalor and decay, ranging from ruined houses which shake beneath the blows of sledge-hammers, to huts some five feet high, constructed of old petroleum tins eked out with remnants of felt and sacking. They live in public, and their poverty is elementary. But they have the same slight if muscular grace and the same gaiety and ease of mind as in happier and weathier lands. Their religion is variable and opportunist. For the moment in Turkey they are nominal Moslems, but the Turks set small store by their orthodoxy, and realise that if in their wanderings they should cross the Servian or Bulgarian borders, they would straightway embrace Christianity, as the settled gipsies of these new countries now do. Still, their lax profession serves to range them on the side of the dominant race, and in a struggle they would doubtless join the Mohamedan mob of the towns. But they are an element which is politically and economically negligible, and only their picturesqueness entitles them to mention. On St. George’s Day, when they celebrate the coming of summer, and their girls and women, fearless and unveiled, don their brightest jackets and baggiest trousers of yellow, green, and pink, and foot it in procession, with songs and cymbals, to cut fresh boughs from some favoured grove, they add a rare grace and movement to a world of nightmares and panics which knows little of gaiety and much of care and fear.

    • 回复: @Old Jew
  137. Hey, best leave them alone. According to Hollywood, at least, Gypsy curses are nothing to be trifled with.

  138. sarz 说:
    @lloyd

    Thugs were people. Thugee is what they did. The word “thug” has been taken up into English but lost its precise meaning. Thugs were sometimes from Muslim families but their main practice was a corrupted ‘Hindu’ one, the ritual sacrifice of unsuspecting fellow travellers. The practitioners of thugee were wiped out under the British. The British committed many sins, but this was not among them.

    • 回复: @lloyd
  139. @Malla

    I have heard the caste system was brought in as an effort to preserve racial consciousness and genetics of the early conquerers, and since then there has been very little mixing between castes. Do you know when this system came into action, and why the upper case Brahmins come in all sorts of shades from Persian-looking to Dravidian dark-skin? Shouldn’t the castes have some pretty strong correlation with race, and thus the Brahmins should mostly be very light-skinned?

    另外,我看过一些印度人的照片,他们的眼睛是浅色的,这样的人有多罕见,他们的种姓/血统是什么?

    • 回复: @Malla
  140. Anonymous[270]• 免责声明 说:

    In chapter 3, “Being Alive,” in The Timeless Way of Building, Christopher Alexander cites the gypsies right off the bat as an example of being alive and free and in tune with the elements. We all know the bad stories, and the little shopping center where my wife had a shop was hit by what the local police detective said was a band of gypsies whose m.o. was creating a distraction to clean out the cash register before you had a clue. She wasn’t hit, so our reaction was more amazement than anger, but I believe Alexander was on to something using gypsies as a contrast exposing modern life’s loss for what it is to be really alive.

    Surely those charts in the article represent the death of the spirit and freedom. Alexander is mainly writing about living architecture—those patterns and places where we most feel alive—in stark contrast to the lifeless glass blocks where the bureaucrats who produce those charts breath offgassing synthetics amid life-denying forms for eight hours a day, and we wonder why photos of them going to and from work look like a march of the zombies rather than the life-affirming photos of gypsie girls in rags dancing in the rain in the streets.

  141. Alfred 说:
    @Tono Bungay

    Gangs of them pickpocketing in the Metro have been there ever since I arrived two decades ago.

    They were there much earlier. In the 1990’s, I lived in Paris. I had an American friend who everyone called “Big Jim”. Like many Americans, he had a large wallet with all his cards, cash and documents in his back pocket. At a metro station, a swarm of these Gypsy kids enveloped him and his wallet disappeared. He quickly grabbed one of the smaller kids and twisted his arm mercilessly until his chums returned the wallet intact.

    In an earlier life, Big Jim spent years in Latin America helping along their regime changes. Around 20 years ago, he sent me an email to ask me not to try to contact him any more as he was retiring to the forests of Georgia to die. If you go to the “Brasserie de l’Isle Saint Louis”, the older staff will tell you stories about him. 🙂

  142. @Anatoly Karlin

    Easy to understand why – the Hive in the US hasn’t decreed that Gypsies are certified victims, so it’s okay to criticize them.

  143. St-Germain 说:

    Go Gypsies! Long before Jefferson recycled Locke with the now empty slogan “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” these cheerful family people had the innate wisdom to grasp why they were put on Earth. The Golden Calf now worshipped all around them never had a chance against their traditional strengths: language, culture, clan, freedom. Had they bought into the mindless conformity of Western society, they would probably have wound up in the gutter like so many inner-city Blacks.

    In the U.S.A. and Canada we still have remnants of our own brand of Gypsies. Centuries of war, displacement, coercion, school indoctrination and forced conversion to alien European religious cults have pretty much failed to make second-class Whites out of egalitarian Native American tribesmen. They received marginal reservations after everything else had been stolen by armed newcomers from hierarchical Europe. Maybe that’s what finally saved these distinct peoples from extinction by assimilation in our almighty money economy.

    Even the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s failed to enlist them. despite enthusiastic proselytizing by Black, Jewish and White liberal know-it-alls. Amerindian sage Vine Deloria jr. explained to the movement leaders that it was the splendid isolation of the reservation that gave the Redskins their edge over the descendants of plantation slaves. The reservation Injuns may have been stripped of their cultural-bearing languages but they were still free to live in traditional harmony with nature and strive to preserve the wisdom of ancestors who had survived in the New World for at least 18,000 years.

    As for the curse of money worship, the bogus myth of progress and persistent attempts to buy them off with beads and trinkets, it has never been easy to find a Native American oligarch. Like the Gypsies, they may not have much book learning but they seem to have stayed be in touch with a more ancient wisdom based on eternal values that count. They want to be left alone. That’s something the rest of us may now have to learn the hard way.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  144. tomo 说:
    @Cato

    或者也许东欧人更可能容忍他们,让他们保持原样(所以吉普赛人从来没有觉得他们必须改变)。
    我来自塞尔维亚,我记得我小时候他们是如何恐吓我们的。
    Once a month or so they would appear from nowhere and little gypsy 10 or so year olds would steal bags from women and run away, or they would enter people’s garden and quickly steal a tool or anything else and just run away.

    他们会成群结队地走动,只是攻击人并从他们那里偷东西,或者向我们吐口水然后逃跑。 这是在 70 年代中后期

    kind of Ovadia Josef’s followers on steroids

    • 回复: @Cato
  145. @Disgusted

    Nations are not just land. Nations are what people build on the land. Sending back people who did not build the nation is fine. You are a cuck for not realizing this on your own. Only morons can’t figure out on their own nations are not just land.

    • 同意: Ace
  146. Sokrates 说:
    @Pericles

    Hey! Pericles!
    Are there any gypsies in israel? or jews keeping their “country”* as Arian as can be?

    *israel is NOT RECOGNIZED by the full assembly of the UN.

    • 回复: @Pericles
  147. @jeff stryker

    Travelers used to be called “tinkers,” but saying “tinker” now is un-PC, so now they are “travelers.”

  148. @Malla

    如果吉普赛人是印度人,他们应该能够找到一些富有成效的事情做,比如经营便利店。

    • 回复: @Malla
  149. Pericles 说:
    @Sokrates

    好问题,你让我谷歌了。 答案是肯定的。

    “我什至不知道以色列有吉普赛人!” Omri Kibiri 承认,他是一名犹太律师,现在参与倡导他们的事业。

    https://www.jpost.com/Christian-In-Israel/Comment/Hidden-Gypsies-of-Jerusalem

    在穆斯林区的城墙内,靠近大门的是一个叫做 Bab al-Huta 的小社区。 在主要街道的店面之间,狭窄的入口通向黑暗的楼梯间。 有些房子的门颜色鲜艳,有些很旧,有些在门楣上绘有装饰品。 呻吟的晾衣绳在密密麻麻的小石屋之间延伸,不同年龄的孩子在无人看管的情况下自由奔跑。

    Bab al-Huta 是一个混合社区,陌生人很难猜出它的独特特征:它的大多数居民是 Domari(或 Dom)吉普赛人。

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-the-lowest-caste-on-israel-s-social-ladder-1.5452219

    全球 XNUMX 万罗姆人的领袖多林·乔巴 (Dorin Cioba) 于周三抵达以色列。 罗马人被广泛称为吉普赛人。

    在首次访问以色列时,国际罗姆人联盟主席乔巴计划访问耶路撒冷的罗姆人社区以及犹太大屠杀纪念馆。

    从我学到的东西来看,他们确实有共同点。

    不知道乔巴这个人物,跟那个伊拉克部长一样,是不是在收西方福利?

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/King-of-the-Gypsies-arrives-in-Israel-402237

    • 回复: @xcd
  150. Alfred 说:
    @St-Germain

    在美国和加拿大,我们仍然保留着我们自己品牌的吉普赛人。 几个世纪的战争、流离失所、胁迫、学校灌输和被迫皈依欧洲外来宗教邪教,几乎没有让平等的美洲原住民部落成为二等白人。

    I assume you are not referring to the north American “Gypsies” who were moved up north so that Canada could stake its claim to the Arctic Shelf?

    关于偏远社区的硬道理。 他们永远不会像城市那样健康繁荣。 对于想要离开的土著人,没有任何系统可以帮助他们。

    • 回复: @anon
  151. @Gunga Din

    Sadly, I have to agree. Having spent years living in both Greece and Spain, where Gypsy communities were never anything but sources of trouble, they are the only people who can make Jews seem noble by comparison. After you’ve been robbed or burglarized by gypsies more than once (unlike the Jews, who dress up their robbery of you in pseudo-legal and pseudo-capitalistic sophistry, the gypsies make no pretenses), you begin to realize that crime against non-Roma is a central pillar of their culture, one that has nothing to do with centuries of systematic discrimination against them. They wouldn’t give up this lifestyle even if they were offered full civil rights and full economic integration into European society on a silver platter.

    What I find especially bizarre is the fact that no nation in the past –nor the EU now– has ever tried to establish a homeland, a “Romastan” for these people. Doing so and deporting the lot of them from Europe would solve everyone’s problems. I recommend the center of Antarctica for the new “Romastan.”

  152. 我不相信! 我从没想过我会在 Unz 上读到一些东西,然后离开它时比我进入它时的信息更少。

    当我觉得吉普赛人完全腐败、不可救药、没有目的、没有野心、寿命短、完全是社会公害、没有任何社会价值时,我就离开了。 它们只是存在,在可以的时候吃,在可以的地方睡,然后死去。

    有那么一分钟,我觉得我在读保罗·克西 (Paul Kersey) 写的关于黑人的东西,有几次我读了克西种族主义者在 Unz 上写的任何东西

    what the hell is the poitn of this article then. I thought I was going to learn something positive..learn somethings anyway. Zilch, a puffter faux pas’ after a journalistic sexy come hither

    看这里! 如果吉普赛人是欧元问题,让欧洲凑齐十亿左右,与稀疏的、庞大的哈尔扎克人达成协议,以获得一些足够大的土地,并在那里重新安置吉普赛人……他们所有人,让他们做他们自己的事自己的事情..建学校与否,健康与否..或者只是尽可能地生活,尽可能长,然后死。

    那将是他们的选择。 但我不得不说我不知道​​也不知道这个问题......当然没有线索可以在这里收集到关于欧洲吉普赛人的真实故事和状态的文章

    • 回复: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  153. Skeptikal 说:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    再来?
    What does “Okay gyp” mean?
    能戳几个灰格子发个连贯的句子吗?

    • 回复: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  154. @mocissepvis

    What I find especially bizarre is the fact that no nation in the past –nor the EU now– has ever tried to establish a homeland, a “Romastan” for these people. Doing so and deporting the lot of them from Europe would solve everyone’s problems. I recommend the center of Antarctica for the new “Romastan.”

    Isn’t there a country caller Romania?

    On a serious note, even if a Romastan was created, most would continue to wander around, look what happened with Jews, they have their country and yet there are million of Jews outside of Israel! Nomadism is a central pillar of Gypsy/Jew culture, they are a people that shall dwell alone.

  155. MLK 说:
    @SIMPLE rom

    Very informative. Thanks for posting. Do you have any thoughts on this comment from Digital Samizdat:

    For over 40 years, communist governments tried everything to assimilate the Gypsies and in the end, it all had absolutely no effect.

  156. glib 说:
    @Gunga Din

    他们有一定的炼铁能力。 著名足球运动员皮尔洛的父亲,定居的辛提人,拥有两家铸造厂。 此外,当然,明星足球运动员的代表性不成比例。 如果他们作为一个国家参加比赛,他们本可以赢得几次世界杯。 除了皮尔洛,他并不认为自己是意大利人,伊布,坎通纳,斯托伊奇科夫,哈吉,吉尼亚克,一些西班牙球员,范德法特,那个速度很快的西班牙侧翼,我不知道他的名字(他发起了这场比赛,导致唯一2010 年 WC 决赛中的目标),以及我们这个时代之前的许多其他球员。

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  157. Whocares 说:
    @Gunga Din

    They’ve kept their identity for 1500 years….. 1450 more than most Americanised losers.

  158. MLK 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks for posting the link to your 2018 travelogue on Romania. Like Guillaume Durocher, I’ve long been fascinated by Gypsies. Romania too.

  159. Malla 说:
    @ivan

    我同意我们很糟糕。

    你是印度人? 我以为你是斯拉夫人,因为你的名字。

    但我们不能排除华尔街的犹太人。

    非常真实

    像拉贾拉姆(严格来说是斯里兰卡人)和会计师古普塔这样的研究员。

    他们被顶级犹太人安置在他们的位置上。

    • 回复: @ivan
  160. Rahan 说:

    Japan also has a group of untouchables, called “Burakumin”.
    https://infogalactic.com/info/Burakumin
    显然,贱民是某种亚洲事物。 日本人也不断地对部落民进行各种同化计划。

    I am, however, pretty sure that Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, etc., would gladly import Japan’s untouchables in exchange for the Indian unntouchables they got saddled with.

    Also, using commons sense, perhaps Japan’s porn industry to a large extent rests on Burakumin women. Just a hypothesis.

    I have to say that Eastern European gypsies are bloody harmless compared to Western machete blacks, drug mafia Arabs, and Paki pedo grooming gangs. The gypsies are thieves, pickpockets, bootleggers, and whores. They’re not rapists and murders–at least not to whitey.

    Of, course, who knows. Maybe it’s because for centuries Eastern Slavs would instantly lynch them if they cross the line, and that’s why their Roma became “almost harmless parasites”. If they remain that way in the western countries they’ve infected, this means that’s just the way they are. If, however, they become violent once a generation grows up in soy impotent Western societies where no pushback happens, then this will mean that it was Slav whites keeping them in check all along.

    Right now, with the Coronavirus thing, Eastern European governments have sent cops and troops into every gypsy ghetto with the specific goal of forcing the gypsies there to follow social distancing protocols, at the end of a blackjack if need be. Literally no one there is saying this is “muh racism”, every single local realizes this is just something that needs to be done. Even the gypsies get it.

    Lastly, to remind readers, in spite of what looks like a defiant refusal to give even an inch to the majority culture around them, Eastern European gypsies in fact DO constantly generate a stream of “assimilating darkies” who get absorbed into larger society, and once their kids grow up, they count as “whites”, even though they’re raven-haired browns.

    In fact, the darker they get, the more fervently patriotic “true Hungarians Romanians Slovaks Bulgarians” they are. This is, IMO, how assimilation is supposed to work. The ones that make the effort to become part of society, then ones who display level of impulse-control, ability to plan ahead, IQ levels, and desire to contribute, are silently included into the majority. You open any Eastern European media from south of Poland and east of Austria, you’ll see brown artists, professors, cops, and politicians, who are genetically obvious gypsy stock, but have assimilated say three generations back, and have found their place in society without any affirmative action quotas.

    The ones who remain with the “hardcore trad” core–they continue playing the role of the country’s collective Id. The rest–they join the Slavic-Turkic strains of Eastern Whitey.

    • 谢谢: Mefobills
    • 回复: @fnn
    , @James N. Kennett
  161. Malla 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    我听说种姓制度是为了保护早期征服者的种族意识和基因而引入的,从那时起,种姓之间的混合就很少了。

    早期的征服者不想与黑人甚至黄人(kiratas)混在一起,但最终种族隔离的南非变成了巴西,每个人都混在一起。 种姓制度在经过多次混合之后才开始,但更多的高加索人上升到顶端,成为牧师、战士和商人。 婆罗门的肤色从浅色到深色不等,但平均而言,其肤色比周围的人群更浅。 对于南印度婆罗门来说,他们会是黑暗的,但去参加婆罗门婚礼,你会发现他们比他们周围的人肤色更浅,而且平均更白种人。

    另外,我看过一些印度人的照片,他们的眼睛是浅色的,这样的人有多罕见,他们的种姓/血统是什么?

    非常稀有。 可以是任何东西,从婆罗门到甚至一些像 Jatts 这样的种姓制度之外的人。 照片中的电影明星是 Hritick Roshan。 我不知道他的种姓背景,但更有可能是高种姓。 他是孟加拉语和旁遮普语的混合体。

    • 回复: @Anon
  162. delmas 说:

    Guillaume Durocher, very likely from France, should be aware that what is pre-existing in Slovenia is similar to the situation in France, where authorities make a distinction between ‘les gens de voyage’ who have been in France for generations even centuries and the ‘Roma’. Although this latter category has also probably been present for quite some time in the Alsace region, hence the term ‘Romanichel’ used there and also in Normandy and in the north of France.
    Les gens de voyage very often attend school and have jobs and live “comfortably” relative to the Roma.
    The Roma are a much more recent arrival, first appearing in significant numbers in France during the late 1970s, arriving from Yugoslavia, which was starting to fragment even at that time. ‘Les gens de voyage’ is actually a politically-correct term from the 1940s. Many of them have roots in other European countries and up until the post-war period were referred to as ‘gitans’ (many of them in France are from the south or from Spain) or in Germany and in eastern Europe, ‘tzigane’.
    Supposedly, the famous French singer, Johnny Halliday, had roots in the ‘gens de voyage’ community. Along the French Riviera, the town of Sainte-Marie-de-la-mer hosts (or used to) an annual gypsy pilgrimage every year in May.

  163. Anonymous[308]• 免责声明 说:

    I find it remarkable that a people, hailing from the dregs of medieval Indian society, could cross the whole Middle East, arrive in eastern Europe, and maintain their identity among other peoples for 1500 years.

    It’s called “low IQ” – a completely unremarkable, hereditary condition. That’s why Europeans must expel all brown and black guests before we get submerged under their “maintained” identity.

  164. Emslander 说:

    The Roma specialize in being a minimal cost to the general society they live among, primarily by engaging in semi-legal behavior and by filling established labor gaps from time to time with useful service. They’re cleverly friendly and entertaining. You can get a damaged car fixed cheaply and some junk hauled away without a bother. Modern society’s complications give the Gypsies a lot of opportunities to make a living. They will also take advantage of your failure to be vigilant while you employ them.

    Every European knows exactly what I mean.

  165. Agent76 说:

    15 May 2017 They hate the US government, and they’re multiplying: the terrifying rise of ‘sovereign citizens’

    While US counter-terrorism efforts remain locked on Islamist extremism, the growing threat from homegrown, rightwing extremists is even more pressing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/15/sovereign-citizens-rightwing-terrorism-hate-us-government

  166. nymom 说:

    I don’t know why you say the gypsies were the “dregs” of Indian society when they migrated to Europe. They knew how to do metal work and made their own weapons/tools and were actually used for a while in Spain as slaves due to their knowledge of blacksmithing. The most likely possibility is they were expelled from India as a warrior caste, who lost some major conflict now forgotten in Indian history. Thus, explaining their knowledge of metal working as they were responsible to make their own weapons back in the day.

    I mean they are the dregs of our civilization now, as they have never adapted and live on the fringes of our society. I don’t think it’s correct to say their were the dregs when they were first expelled from India.

  167. 在我的家乡,父母通常会斥责行为不端的孩子(2 到 5 岁的小孩),告诉他们如果他们继续无理取闹,吉普赛女人就会把他们抢走,再也听不见。
    我依稀记得我的祖母,上帝安息了她的灵魂,每次我做错事时都会对我说这句话。 它通常有效。

    当然,多年后我才意识到这只是一个无害的谎言。
    吉普赛人与我们非常不同,不同的地方对于很小的孩子来说会非常可怕。 方便的是,这被父母“大规模”使用。

    确实,吉普赛人可以是肮脏的滋扰者,但吉普赛人从未发动战争,他们没有犯下任何屠杀或战争罪行,绝对没有企图进行任何种族灭绝。

    吉普赛人并不真正关心我们。
    他们有自己的神话和自己的命运,他们带着孩子般的天真,或者说,天真无邪。 他们,也许,拥有最珍贵的东西,彼此。 而且,我们有什么?

  168. 吉普赛人生活方式的一个重要特点是,为了保持独特的人民,他们的人口必须保持文盲。 一个识字的孩子会有选择。 我认识一位吉普赛人,他是伟大的古典小提琴家(他可以演奏所有其他形式的音乐),巴尔的摩交响乐团的前任首席,听他与管弦乐队一起演奏主要的小提琴协奏曲。 出于这个原因,我认为他已经离开了保留地,将他的学业纳入主流。 然后我发现他也是文盲。

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  169. lloyd 说: • 您的网站
    @Daniel H

    当一个人生活在穆斯林中时,一个人生活在店主、工厂工人和有凝聚力的家庭中。 犯罪并非常态。 正如 Miko Peled 所说,“如果你为这种仇视伊斯兰的事情而堕落,你一定是我们的心上人。 上面到处都是犹太复国主义者的指纹。” 我对佩莱德持怀疑态度。 他可能是间谍。 但他就在那里。 罗瑟丹丑闻与伊斯兰教的唯一联系是它与巴基斯坦的联系。 他们是来自世界低种姓地区的低种姓犯罪人物。 几年前,在巴基斯坦边境的低种姓印度教地区,一名年轻女子和她的男性伴侣在黄昏时分在一辆公共汽车上遭到包括公共汽车司机在内的所有男性的袭击。 她被强奸,然后被谋杀。 媒体以她的强奸为标题,并提到她被谋杀是事后的想法。 它的责任归咎于印度保守的社会习俗。 更极端的我也是。 除了强奸问题外,这在印度以外并不是什么大新闻。 现在,如果他们是穆斯林。 但他们不是。 我这么说是因为我有信心,如果他们中的任何人曾经去过,那将是一个巨大的西方新闻报道。

  170. vinteuil 说:

    我亲自遇到的吉普赛人是非常不愉快的顾客——寄生虫和掠食者。 但流行文化(或至少曾经)爱上了他们——想想比才的 Carmen,或威尔第的 Il trovatore.

  171. @james wilson

    因此,他们的文盲使他们过分依赖口述传统,而且我猜想,如果他们能够独立思考,他们对有魅力的领导者的美言和 bs 的目标比他们本来的目标更温和。

    旁注:他们在上图中看起来像一群墨西哥人,我相信他们贡献的所有精彩多样性使西班牙、意大利、法国、保加利亚和罗马尼亚成为更好的地方。

  172. @Jeff Stryker

    10 至 15 年前,我在加拿大“不列颠”哥伦比亚省——在温哥华,但尤其是在本拿比和萨里——与我接触的众多旁遮普人通常比吉普赛人更高、肤色略浅、体格更强壮、肩更宽到目前为止。

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  173. @obwandiyag

    这条评论需要罗恩的一颗金星,因为它是有史以来最愚蠢的帖子之一。 比你平常的废话差得多,相当有成就。

  174. jbwilson24 说:
    @Really No Shit

    多么奇怪的回答。 因为犹太人、黑人、阿拉伯人和其他民族也是欧洲的问题,大规模驱逐吉普赛人是个坏主意。

    你知道,解决你的小难题的方法就是将他们全部驱逐出境。

    与犹太人、阿富汗人、阿拉伯人等相比,吉普赛人相对无害,但由于福利,他们的人数正在迅速增长。

    • 同意: Joseph Doaks
  175. jbwilson24 说:
    @lloyd

    “当一个人生活在穆斯林中时,一个人生活在店主、工厂工人和有凝聚力的家庭中。 犯罪不是经常发生的事情。”

    这听起来像是一堆废话。 一半的德国美食家靠福利生活。 西部80%的索马里穆斯林靠福利生活。 这些热心的海狸在哪里,在工厂里辛勤地生产新玩意儿? 即使是沙特阿拉伯的阿拉伯人也更喜欢进口劳动力。

    穆斯林唯一经常从事的工作就是管理强奸团伙。 如果不是因为这个,他们可能不会费心做出租车司机或烤肉串店老板。

    • 回复: @lloyd
  176. Cyrano 说:
    @anonymous

    我认为他们应该制作一部关于它的电影。 这部电影应该被称为:“无法承受的生命之轻”。 在电影中,吉普赛人成功地漂白了他们的皮肤——就像迈克尔·杰克逊一样,同样,他们将这种情况归咎于某种遗传疾病。 不幸的是,吉普赛人发现,由于现在肤色较浅,每个人都假设自己是白人,结果每个人都对他们有更多的期望。 令人心碎的失望随之而来。

    • 同意: tomo
  177. Anon[249]• 免责声明 说:
    @lloyd

    . 正如 Miko Peled 所说,“如果你为这种仇视伊斯兰的事情而堕落,你一定是我们的心上人。 上面到处都是犹太复国主义者的指纹。”

    穆斯林在战争中俘虏男女士兵时会强奸他们,用来强行粗暴地围捕被俘的欧洲战士,长期以来一直将我们贩卖为奴隶,将我们的妇女贩卖为性奴隶(这种情况一直持续到今天),我们千百年来,我们以生命为代价竭尽全力,以防止他们(阿拉伯人和土耳其人将伊斯兰教用作文化载体)强行侵占我们的土地。

    至少我们失去了安纳托利亚、西班牙、波斯、北非和近东。

    今天,他们用卡车碾过我们,炸毁我们,刺伤我们,射杀我们,并在我们自己的街道上斩首我们的士兵。

    他们的宗教是使用任何手段进行全面统治的一种。 包括就他们的性质和目标向我们撒谎。

    像您这样的人再多的叙述也无法改变穆斯林是我们显而易见的长期死敌这一事实。

    更糟糕的是,他们的意识形态不是原创的,也不是他们自己的。 它为阿拉伯人简化了塔木德主义,并注入了更多的睾丸激素,使其在身体上更具战斗性。

    伊斯兰教和它的犹太教伙伴是他们在世界各地出现的怪物。 你的句子无法向我们隐瞒这个事实。

  178. Poco 说:
    @JohnPlywood

    他在谈论宝莱坞和印度人的态度。 白人女性在印度被视为异国情调。 杜拉德。

  179. Poco 说:
    @S

    小时候,我爸爸常常取笑我,说当我脾气暴躁时,他要把我卖给吉普赛人。

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  180. Old Jew 说:
    @The Dude

    在罗马尼亚语中,“HAMAL”的意思是搬运工或装卸工(来自土耳其语)
    而不是“推车操作员”

    保加利亚语 хамалин

  181. Anon[424]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    富有的印度男人会娶漂亮的女人。 这就是为什么富人比穷人更公平的原因。

    一个成功的黑暗会嫁给一个光明的女人,并生出美丽的孩子。

    南印度婆罗门最初来自北方,但与南方人通婚。 他们的智商比北婆罗门高。 也比较黑。

    在印度,人们认为北旁遮普人、哈里安维斯人、克什米尔人、巴基斯坦人是愚蠢的。 南方人要明亮得多。

    在巴基斯坦,黑暗的东巴基斯坦人(孟加拉人)被认为比公平的西巴基斯坦人(旁遮普人)更聪明。

    我认为印度的雅利安征服者可能比黑暗的达罗毗荼人更愚蠢,但更坚强、更好战。

    达罗毗荼人更小、更虚弱、更温顺。 很容易推来推去。

    德拉威人擅长数学、软件和工程。 旁遮普人擅长战争、农业和 pehlwaan/摔跤。 更擅长其他“男子气概”的东西,比如 bhangra 和喝沙拉布/酒精。

    达罗毗荼人在言语上更为谨慎。 旁遮普人是傲慢和强势的。

    • 回复: @Just Passing Through
    , @ivan
  182. lloyd 说: • 您的网站
    @sarz

    他们是社会中的秘密社会。 他们来自所有印度种姓和穆斯林。 他们在宗教、语言和习俗方面有着共同的联系。 他们崇拜破坏女神卡莉。 然而,英国东印度公司处决和驱逐他们的却只有几千人。 可以提出一个确实是种族灭绝的滑稽主张。

  183. Old Jew 说:
    @glib

    罗马尼亚语维基百科说 Gheorghe Hagi 不是吉普赛人,而是来自巴尔干地区的阿罗曼人(Vlah 牧民)。 罗马尼亚人称它们为“macedonieni”。

    1881 年(罗马尼亚成为独立王国)后,许多人被鼓励移民到罗马尼亚。

  184. @JohnPlywood

    这些是在线约会统计数据,人们希望在其中进行实验并沉迷于他们的种族间幻想。 没有理智的白人男人会选择一个亚洲女人而不是一个可比的白人女人。 Hapa 的孩子们真的一团糟,我敢打赌,根据您对种族混合宣传的倾向判断,您的判断太过分了。 仅仅因为你的父母做出了错误的选择并且你表现出不正常并不意味着每个人都必须跟随他们的领导。

    • 回复: @JohnPlywood
  185. @Anon

    诚然,皮肤/智力的相关性似乎与人们预期的相反。 我注意到印度航天局的科学家主要是深色皮肤并具有达罗毗荼人的特征。

    与此同时,普什图人和俾路支人等浅肤色部落是近交的智障。

    • 回复: @Anon
  186. @Commentator Mike

    《巴黎圣母院驼背》的整个情节都是由一场吉普赛绑架事件开始的。

    *剧透!*

    [更多]

    卡西莫多是吉普赛家庭的畸形孩子,所以他们绑架了埃斯梅雷达,并留下了卡西莫多代替她。 她被培养成一个美丽的舞者,为部落挣钱,而她的亲生母亲发疯了,把卡西丢到了教堂,在那里他被一个有点邪恶的牧师抚养长大。 当你意识到所有这些不同的角色都与吉普赛人的这一邪恶行为有关时,故事就在最后汇集在一起

  187. Anon[424]• 免责声明 说:
    @Just Passing Through

    非常真实。 哈哈。

    尽管一些上层种姓旁遮普人相当聪明,比如阿罗拉斯。

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  188. lloyd 说: • 您的网站
    @jbwilson24

    在新西兰,听说过吗? 在 2011 年基督城地震和 2019 年清真寺大屠杀之后,穆斯林受害者成为了受人尊敬的医生和店主,也许还有一些出租车司机。 新西兰人对穆斯林的热爱太过分了。 首相戴着哈吉布以示团结。 新西兰由于其与世隔绝,不进口船只和难民大篷车。 新西兰不属于北约。 我同意你关于阿拉伯阿拉伯人的说法。 在阿曼,我去了一个验血移民办公室,一位官员严厉地说,就像我们在拘留中心一样,脱掉你的衬衫。 然后他看到了我,彬彬有礼地把我从中间领到队列的前面。 我向被动地站在那里的印度人道歉。 我曾漫不经心地想,如果我是有色人种,情况会有所不同。 没有把握。

  189. Mefobills 说:
    @Anon

    你的论点是dysgenics是有效的。 白种人可以繁育到它的低等元素。

    Dysgenics 现在正在发生,因为白人的聪明部分没有繁殖。 如果环境恶劣,那些有未来倾向的民族将放弃繁殖。 较低的 untermenschen 增加占总人口的百分比,因为今天比明天更重要。

    第二个论点是,要使优生学发挥作用,就必须去除或驱逐群体中的寄生生物。

    吉普赛人的寄生性是否如此之高,以至于他们的行为会导致本土白人陷入基因缺陷?

  190. snag 说:

    “调查期间,四分之一的 16 岁或以上的罗姆人将‘受雇’或‘自雇’作为他们的主要活动。”

    这仍然比纽约州的正统犹太人多得多,......

  191. 这张照片让人想起了《捕食者》中阿诺德说“你是个丑陋的混蛋”的场景。

  192. Popeye 说:
    @anonymous

    好吧,吉普赛人似乎在某些方面很聪明。。得到政府救济,但不工作或学习国语或送孩子上学……即使是令人讨厌的小罪犯和社会寄生虫

    • 回复: @snag
  193. anon[405]• 免责声明 说:

    在美国,我们有很多人无法工作并最终因所谓的“抑郁症”而无法获得社会保障。 这种行为受到大多数人的欢迎,因为这些人中的大多数人投票支持民主党(共产主义者)和
    民主党会不惜一切代价继续掌权,包括破坏社会。 民主党还为媒体上猖獗的黑人犯罪提供借口,以换取民主党的黑人选票。

  194. anon[405]• 免责声明 说:
    @Alfred

    你说的是美国的蒙古人(又名印第安人)。 不要推动欧元偷走他们国家的左派说法,因为“欧元到达时没有国家”。印度人没有既定的政府或法律体系,更不用说土地分配了; 印度人不相信土地所有权,并认为当他们出售“他们的”土地时,他们是在掠夺欧元。 每当优越的文化进入欠发达的文化时,文化总是会发生变化(通常是变得更好)。 并且不要说印第安人是友好、和平和充满爱心的嬉皮士,他们中的许多人是嗜血的杀手,在将其他印第安人活活剥皮的同时将他们烧死在火刑柱上。

    看电影:黑袍

  195. tomo 说:
    @Cyrano

    你的故事让我想起了塞尔维亚的阿尔巴尼亚人(以及“邪恶的”塞尔维亚人——比如你提到的斯拉夫人)——多年前北约轰炸塞尔维亚和科索沃时——英国接受了很多阿尔巴尼亚“难民”(很多是假的——尤其是那些从未去过塞尔维亚的阿尔巴尼亚人——和塞尔维亚人一样——我结识了一些他们告诉我他们虚假的难民冒险经历——以及他们是如何获得英国公民身份的)
    大概一周后,这些来自塞尔维亚的阿尔巴尼亚人中的一个将他的英国邻居刺入了他的脖子(无缘无故)——这是我在当地报纸上读到的一件事。 还有更多。 很快,这些难民变成了一个非常强大的贩毒黑手党。
    英国人讨厌他们——我可以从他们对阿尔巴尼亚难民的评论和恶毒的笑话中看出。
    与您对加拿大人所描述的结果类似(他们都是关于美德的信号,没有任何实际的美德)。
    满是狗屎而且非常腐败——据我所知,加拿大的一切都是通过接触和裙带关系完成的,人们非常嫉妒和被动攻击性的背刺小殖民者

    • 同意: Cyrano
    • 回复: @Popeye
  196. @Poco

    如果你爸爸知道吉普赛人来自哪里,他会威胁要把你卖给便利店店员。

    (是否为吉普赛人预留了平权行动?)

  197. Popeye 说:

    我在这里没有看到任何关于纳粹对犹太人和吉普赛人的政策的评论。 对于犹太人来说,这是非常简单的剪裁。 集中营、强迫劳动、死亡、贫民窟。 但对于吉普赛人来说,情况要复杂得多,当然还有德国的官僚规章制度。 由于第三帝国的看法是吉普赛人在很大程度上是雅利安人的起源。 因此,纳粹官僚机构竭尽全力确定吉普赛人是社会性的还是非社会性的。 社会意义 他们不是移民或有犯罪记录,可以显示工作经历和学校教育,甚至财产所有权。 如果移民是不合群的,有盗窃或流浪的犯罪记录,没有工作或学校历史等。纳粹对不合群的吉普赛人比对社会的吉普赛人严厉得多。 犹太人没有做这种区分

  198. @Gunga Din

    “除了小偷什么都没有。 消灭它们。”

    另一个团体也可以这样说,但他们财力雄厚,有说客,并且设法使自己成为一个主权国家。

    • 回复: @Popeye
  199. ivan 说:
    @Malla

    我姑姑给我取了名字。 她是个书呆子,那些年来苏联人免费分发的书中的所有童话故事都读过。

  200. @Skeptikal

    那是一个连贯的句子。 你只是不喜欢它。

    • 回复: @caijoe
  201. @ben sampson

    什么是“种族主义者”? 是什么让 Paul Kersey 成为其中一员?

  202. @lloyd

    罗瑟丹丑闻与伊斯兰教的唯一联系是它与巴基斯坦的联系。 他们是来自世界低种姓地区的低种姓犯罪人物。

    现在,如果他们是穆斯林。 但他们不是。 我这么说是因为我有信心,如果他们中的任何人曾经去过,那将是一个巨大的西方新闻报道。

    媒体花了几十年的时间来掩盖“美容”团伙。 我所知道的最早的案例可以追溯到 70 年代,罗瑟勒姆的大部分案件都发生在 90 年代后期。 然而,政府和媒体花了数年时间试图掩盖它,包括逮捕试图阻止它的人、让调查人员跑来跑去、销毁证据、掩埋故事、用“种族主义”涂油抗议者,这些都是行之有效的。

    无论如何,罗瑟勒姆并不是唯一发生这种情况的地方,而且他们也不全是巴基斯坦人。 它发生在整个英格兰,至少在荷兰也是如此。 索马里人被抓到这样做了,伊拉克人也是如此。 许多受害者都有在这些社区中随机强奸他们并召集所有朋友加入的故事。 罪犯的妻子和母亲完全了解并且没有采取任何措施来阻止它,穆斯林倡导团体施加政治压力来取消执法或安全的轻判。

    这显然是穆斯林的事情,受到他们文化的鼓励。 除了可能是非白人之外,没有其他共同点,但东亚社区没有这样的东西。

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  203. Popeye 说:
    @tomo

    并且那个伪君子杰克。停留的Trudeau和他的Blackface / Brownface Bullsts,而且再次选举明。 而且,当她对他的谎言和腐败吹哨时,他在他的内阁中暗中刺伤了加拿大原住民。 并说她不忠于自由党。 真是个混蛋老混蛋

  204. Popeye 说:
    @SaneClownPosse

    那是爱尔兰人、土耳其人、沙特人、波兰人、孟加拉人还是……((哦,是的))?没想到可能是摩尔多瓦人

  205. @RadicalCenter

    我住在印度——住在新德里——这完全不是我的经历。

  206. @NobodyKnowsImaDog

    这是一个问题。

    我们在美国有这些团体,但他们不培养任何人。 是因为美国白人武装起来,比欧洲人更仇外,更不进步吗?

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
    , @Templar
  207. @Jeff Stryker

    英国公众是什么时候知道的? 在它持续了 20、30 年后。 同样在美国,它们占人口的百分比更少,而且它们往往更加分散。 谁知道? 我不会把它放在那些在美国对未成年女孩进行修饰和拉皮条的印度人。 你去过他们经营的汽车旅馆吗? 或者他们是巴基斯坦人? 他们在我看来都一样。

  208. Templar 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    你提出了一个有趣的观点。
    美容帮派在英格兰北部盛行,但伦敦似乎没有这种情况。
    英国黑人人口高度集中在伦敦,他们很可能占据了犯罪经济的拉皮条市场。
    在美国,拥有一匹白锄头的黑人皮条客一直是一个经过充分证明的现象,已有一百年之久,另有 40,000 名白人妇女声称她们在任何一年都遭到强奸或性侵犯。
    很难看出你关于枪支拥有水平的论点如何保护了美国白人女性。

    • 回复: @JMcG
    , @NobodyKnowsImaDog
  209. Vojkan 说:
    @Gunga Din

    当我有更多的体力工作而不是我自己可以完成的工作时,我会雇用他们,他们总是做他们得到报酬的工作。 我从来没有遇到过他们的问题。 我不能说太多关于塞尔维亚人。

  210. ivan 说:
    @Anon

    达罗毗荼人声称自己是古代哈拉帕文明的后裔。 由于南印度婆罗门的高级阶层在种姓和教育方面都处于顶级水平,因此他们往往是一个国际化的群体。 他们不会被误认为是北婆罗门,因为他们的教育成就往往令人印象深刻。

  211. @SIMPLE rom

    我不厌其烦地查了一下你提到的这些吉普赛房子的图片。 他们看起来很奇怪。 然后我给我妻子看了一个。 现在她是一名艺术史学家,通常当我给她看房子的照片时,她会说,“哦,那是某某风格。” 这次不行。 她尖叫道:“那是什么?” 昨晚,她在推特上将这些房子的图片发给她的艺术史学家同事,想知道他们以前是否见过它们。

  212. fnn 说:
    @Rahan

    “显然,拥有贱民是某种亚洲事物。 ”

    法国人曾经有一个贱民种姓,叫做“Cagots”。 1789 年革命后,该团体因同化而迅速消失。

    • 回复: @Popeye
  213. 作为一个东欧人,让我告诉你——吉普赛人在整个学校都在欺负我和我的朋友。 我是一个戴眼镜的书呆子,我的眼镜被吉普赛人无缘无故打碎了两次。 一些吉普赛人还闯入我祖父母家偷东西。 无论如何,我不讨厌他们作为一个整体。 我其实有点喜欢他们。 他们也是我们(对于我的族群)如何以及为什么保持我们身份的一个例子。 当你看到一个具有强烈认同感的民族,比如吉普赛人——一个忍受全球化打击的民族时,你开始思考并想知道“为什么这些人要不顾一切地保持他们的认同感?” 你会发现某些心理机制在起作用,这有助于你探索人类的灵魂。 它有助于理解这些群体的集体主义心态、其积极的一面,以及为什么白人必须复制一些这种心态。 今天在西方世界如此普遍的极端个人主义形式是种族破坏。

    • 同意: Kolya Krassotkin
  214. awry 说:

    在匈牙利,监狱里的大部分人都是吉普赛人,就像这个视频中的人一样:

    与一些西方城市的一些街区相比,该国相对安全,但大多数暴力犯罪、抢劫和闯入都是由吉普赛人实施的。 拥有大量吉普赛人的村庄可能是胆小的白人/局外人的“禁区”。 他们正在掠夺那些买不起房子搬出去的老白人村民,通常只是向他们索要钱财,如果他们不遵守,就会威胁和殴打他们。 养老金领取者在夜间被一群吉普赛青年闯入他们的农村家中袭击,然后为了钱而遭受折磨和杀害,这是一种相对常见的犯罪行为。

    “流浪”已成为过去,共产主义时代,他们被迫放弃了靠推车四处游荡或住在乡镇外的棚户区。 在社会主义时期,他们在工厂被雇用为非熟练工人,但在共产主义崩溃后结束。 从那以后,他们几代人都没有找到稳定的工作。 由于他们的高出生率,他们的人数急剧增加。

    • 回复: @Popeye
  215. Disgusted 说:
    @lloyd

    可悲的是,一名珍贵的“未成年”穆斯林男子对女孩造成了最严重的伤害。 其他人强奸了她,但他更进一步,用一根铁棒刺穿了她的内脏,最终导致她死亡。 太可怕了,让人无法理解。 去阅读案例的详细信息。 这是险恶的。 他受到保护的理由是既是“少数民族”又是“未成年人”(年龄),尽管在监狱里。

  216. JMcG 说:
    @Templar

    我所在的高中有三位男老师与他们的一些女学生发生性关系。 其中一位我确实非常了解。 他们普遍选择有单身母亲且没有哥哥的女孩。 可恶的男人,每一个。

  217. @EasternEuropeanEthnicHumanBeing

    我明白你的意思,但对于一个民族来说,肯定有比成为永久游牧的犯罪下层阶级更好的方式来保持他们的文化、遗产、身份等吗?

    • 同意: S
    • 回复: @Mefobills
  218. Pandour 说: • 您的网站

    克罗地亚的吉普赛社区有 435 个协会,比所有其他少数民族的总和还多。他们的策略是获得公共资金,并且大多数以人道主义组织的名义运作。其中大部分是口袋里的。此外,政府还提供了数百万 Kuna-7.5库纳大约每年一欧元——因为像研讨会这样的废话,让记者积极描绘罗姆人——现在称他们为 Cigani 是政治不正确的,在媒体中具有贬义的含义。最大的集中在 Međugorje 地区,那里有大约 7,000 人居住。这 85% 靠福利生活,每年花费超过 30 万库纳。偷窃是一天的秩序——从房屋和院子到庄稼。罗姆人几乎每晚都会袭击马铃薯田,每年掠夺数千公斤。妇女罗姆人的社会基本和狗一样。妇女和儿童被派去乞讨、偷窃和扒窃,而男人则呆在家里什么都不做——男人的话就是法律。在萨格勒布我记得一群女孩一直在乞求交出那些日子,他们把一个脖子上的金链子比嘻哈说唱歌手 50cent 还多的小伙子。

  219. Popeye 说:
    @awry

    好吧,现在当然这在政治上是不正确的,但是......如果一个人想要免费的公共住房和每月政府付款但有能力工作......那么对于男人和女人来说都是大S! 消毒

  220. Popeye 说:
    @fnn

    在卢旺达和布隆迪,图西人和胡图人之间似乎几乎是贱民种姓制度……没有社会接触或互动,两个群体之间没有婚姻等等。

  221. @EasternEuropeanEthnicHumanBeing

    “当今西方世界如此普遍的极端个人主义形式是种族破坏。”

    确实是的。 当 XNUMX 世纪早期来自欧洲的移民通过旅馆和社交俱乐部聚集在一起时,他们认识到文化(如果不是种族)团结的必要性。 融入美国个人主义导致了这些社会纽带的破坏,并且不存在“美国白人”团结来取代它们。

  222. Ace 说:
    @Disgusted

    你似乎故意对某些团体随身携带的观念视而不见,就像真正十字架的碎片一样,热烈拥抱的态度将永远将他们标记为局外人和异物,无论他们身在何处。 很明显,吉普赛人的同化是不可能的,所以你有一个与西方邻居截然不同的人。 并寄生在它们身上。 与其要求这些人忍受他们反常和敌对生活方式的后果,你坚持这样一种观念,即种族和文化之间的所有差异都是微不足道的、微不足道的和毫无意义的。 .

    我有一个吉普赛人试图在马德里地铁里扒我的口袋。 在 DC 郊区的一个旧房子里,一个吉普赛人在我的社区租了一间房子。 一个周末,他显然在街上停了 40 辆汽车,当他离开时,店主发现该男子已将厨柜的门拆掉并用作柴火。 英国的一位女海关官员拜访了她的父母几天,回来后发现吉普赛人接管了她的房子。 一位女士穿着一件她的裙子,递了一杯她自己的酒。 在城外,吉普赛人帮助自己到了一片农田,并建立了一个大篷车公园。 所有的轶事都是真实的,但在一个由对生活现实有一点了解的成熟、常识性的人组成的世界中,足以教导这样一个教训,即这些人无论选择出现在何处都是毒药。

    与“民权”狂热分子的要求相反,人们有权与自己的同类相处。 时期。 问问以色列人,尽管他们对基本原则的遵守,容我们说,参差不齐。

    被“注意”事物的多数人所困扰的少数人知道我说的是真的。 因此,以硝基甲烷为燃料的努力使那些想谈论他们注意到的东西的人关闭。

    • 回复: @Disgusted
    , @Johan
  223. Mefobills 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    你付钱给群内的寄生者离开。 它将需要为此目的而创造的某种形式的主权货币。 它还需要一个国王……民主太弱了。

    带头或黄金。 大多数人会拿黄金。

    认为高度信任的白人文明必须变得像低信任度的第三世界人民一样,这是失败主义的。

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Popeye
  224. @Mefobills

    我同意这一点(而且肯定会如此),但我是在回应东欧人对吉普赛人维护他们文化的勉强钦佩的回应。

  225. snag 说:
    @Popeye

    他们在正统的犹太人旁边拖着蹒跚学步的孩子做生意。

  226. Anonymous[401]• 免责声明 说:

    为每一个摆脱 20 名瓦坎达人的吉普赛人提供美国公民身份。

    • 回复: @Popeye
  227. Lidia 说:

    我在罗马和意大利中部的其他地方生活了大约十年。 到处都是吉普赛人(zingari)……有点像跳蚤。 在我们地区,他们几乎完全是非暴力的(不是抢劫犯而是扒手,不是武装劫匪而是入店行窃者)。 它们似乎是一种自然的力量……只是生态系统中的一个小众元素,就像龙虾一样,可以清除任何没有固定的东西。 特别是孩子们被训练偷窃和闯入公寓,因为当局只是让他们离开。

    意大利政府与他们不断兜圈子,有时采取胡萝卜方法(试图给他们“真正的”住房和公用事业),然后是大棒(推平他们的营地)。 除了上面列出的骗局之外,众所周知,他们会采取免费的政府。 意大利人给了他们住房,然后将其转租给非吉普赛人,将现金收入囊中并搬回他们的小屋。 他们绝对不想住在“正常”的房子里,去“正常”的学校,或者做“正常”的工作。 大多数欧洲人似乎无法理解这一点。

  228. Disgusted 说:
    @Ace

    我不是故意失明。 我也不提倡吉普赛人的生活方式。 我正在观察某些事实。 一,对吉普赛人的态度是种族主义的。 即使他们 100% 融入社会,他们也将是二等公民,因为不是白人或基督徒。

    其次,他们至少在欧洲的边缘生活了数百年。 不能根据遗传学的虚假声明说他们应该被送回印度。 按照这种逻辑,整个北美和南美都将被白人、黑人和中间人清空。 欧洲、中东和非洲准备好收回所有携带其基因的人了吗? 但这种骚动只适用于非白人。 你说这是因为他们是一个令人不快、恶毒的群体,态度恶劣,拒绝融入。 与他们同在,无论是死亡、死亡集中营还是回到他们(假定的)故乡。 这种逻辑是否也适用于爱尔兰的白人旅行者?

    真的,每个人在这里所说的可能是对的。 我们抓住了美洲等等,booyah,我们不会离开。 但吉普赛人必须 ***因为怀特故乡。 这是赤裸裸的虚伪,但没有问题。 可能是对的是一个清晰易懂的概念。 不要混淆其他不重要的事情。 只是,当车轮转动而轮到您在公共汽车下时不要抱怨。

    PS:我从根本上同意人们想要并有权与自己的同类相处。 但你的意思是只对白人,不是吗? 无论如何,为时已晚。

    • 回复: @James Forrestal
  229. @Rahan

    事实上,东欧吉普赛人确实会不断产生一大批“同化黑人”,他们被更大的社会所吸收,一旦他们的孩子长大,他们就被视为“白人”,即使他们是乌黑头发的棕色人。

    这是真的。 然而,因为吉普赛人有足够多的孩子来代替他们自己,还有那些选择离开的人,这导致了阿米什人研究过的“沸腾”效应。 想要同化的吉普赛人离开社区; 留下来的人是那些不太愿意和无法同化的人。 经过一千年的“沸腾”,社区的社会价值观已真正编码在他们的 DNA 中。

  230. Malla 说:
    @Really No Shit

    里海,我的屁股……你是一个泰米尔黑鬼,纯粹而简单!

    有时 wi tamil abbos 喜欢 fi dream,随着我们的bongs out,在da backgroun 中美妙的Didgeridoo 音乐,我们有我们的野蛮人Conan 曾曾祖父与牛一起骑马的梦想时光。

  231. @Templar

    好像我昨天没有发表对此的回应。

    伦敦没有暴露出来,因为那里的腐烂程度更大,共产党人和穆斯林对各级政府有更大的控制权,并且不会让任何人知道。 被谈论的美容丑闻大多发生在穆斯林人口相对较少的中等城市。

    我同意美国有类似的问题,但它的特点有点不同。 黑人团体几乎没有那么有组织,他们很少像穆斯林团伙那样让整个社区都参与到虐待中来。 在这两种情况下,媒体都在报道这个问题,并经常试图美化罪犯。

  232. druid55 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    我相信他们起源于拉贾斯坦! 我读了一本关于他们历史的书。

  233. druid55 说:
    @Malla

    恶心的人。 让这些人和非洲人进入欧洲真是太愚蠢了。即使是我和我也是穆斯林。
    这些吉普赛人不是土耳其人带来的。 他们起源于印度的拉贾斯坦邦,前往阿富汗,再到今天的土耳其,再到希腊,并从那里分散。

    • 同意: Malla
  234. Johan 说:
    @Dieter Kief

    有趣的观察。
    他们在野蛮人的水平上,野蛮聪明,野蛮俏皮,野蛮感性,野蛮气质,游牧部落无法达到更高。 他们保留了一种野蛮的自然嬉戏,这与文明人相反,文明人在高度规范、正式、假装严肃、无魅力和过度道德主义的社会中已经失去了嬉戏的乐趣。

  235. 四分之一的罗姆人受雇乞讨或扒窃。

  236. Johan 说:
    @Ace

    与其担心少数人会做一些小偷小摸,我会担心我们自己的同类、我们的机构和公司,已经使扒窃自己的口袋合法合法,成为系统的重要组成部分,而且规模宏大,每次都这样做一天,从它的果实中奢侈地生活。

  237. @Malla

    有组织的罗马尼亚和保加利亚吉普赛黑手党利用宽容和无私的瑞典人。

    我不会称这些瑞典人为“宽容和利他”。
    无知、轻信、自负、服从的野兽、墨守成规、贪婪、胆小、“像瑞典人一样愚蠢”将是更合适的形容词。 看看他们如何投票!

    好心的瑞典人会对任何其他敢于质疑开放边界的智慧的瑞典人大喊“偏执、种族主义、反同性恋、纳粹纳粹、法西斯”。 对瑞典同胞没有一点利他主义。

    芬兰人是一样的; 有点迟钝,但努力与瑞典人的成功相媲美。

    • 回复: @Malla
  238. Cato 说:
    @tomo

    或者也许东欧人更可能容忍他们,让他们保持原样(所以吉普赛人从来没有觉得他们必须改变)。

    是的,也许就是这样 - 在奥斯曼帝国时期,在小米系统中,人们受一系列宗教法律的约束:穆斯林、亚美尼亚东正教或希腊东正教(包括塞尔维亚人等)。 除了收税和为战争获取资源之外,国家对社会控制并没有太多关注。 成为穆斯林总是比成为基督徒更容易,因此吉普赛人大多会受到伊斯兰教法的约束并学会如何正确行事。

  239. Wally 说:
    @Svevlad

    说过:
    “这很明显,我们知道吉普赛人是二战的目标:

    不,他们不是,你也没有证据证明他们是。

    • 回复: @Franklin Ryckaert
  240. @Wally

    “……在阿道夫·希特勒的领导下,纽伦堡法律的补充法令于 26 年 1935 月 XNUMX 日发布,将吉普赛人归类为“种族国家的敌人“,从而将他们与犹太人归为同一类。 因此,在某些方面,欧洲罗姆人的命运与犹太人大屠杀中的犹太人的命运相似。 [1]

    历史学家估计,有 220,000 到 500,000 罗姆人被德国人和他们的合作者杀害——这是当时欧洲略低于 25 万罗姆人估计值的 50% 到 1%。[1] 伊恩·汉考克 (Ian Hancock) 引用的后来的研究估计,在估计的 1.5 万罗姆人中,死亡人数约为 2 万……”[3]

    资料来源:维基百科,罗姆人种族灭绝。

    所以问题不在于吉普赛人是否被纳粹杀害,而是有多少人被杀害。

    但是当然你现在会说维基百科“被犹太人控制”,吉普赛人总是受到纳粹的人道待遇,你会像往常一样链接到 CODOH 文章,你会要求我们展示所有这些人的尸体吉普赛人,根据他们的 DNA 偏好,你会要求不可能的证据,然后宣布神圣的希特勒和他的高贵的纳粹是完全无辜的,所以你可以保持你的 物神 完整。 祝你好运!

  241. Malla 说:
    @Oikeamielinen

    芬兰人是一样的; 有点迟钝,但努力与瑞典人的成功相媲美。

    真可惜,我认为芬兰人会更明智,因为那里的多种族“丰富”要少得多。 但我遇到的少数芬兰人中,有一些都是梦想着美好未来的自由主义者。

  242. Dreyher 说:
    @John Johnson

    早期的非洲探险家写下了他们与黑人的旅行和互动的持久记录。 查看 Speke、Burton、Livingstone 和 Stanely 的书籍。 关于黑人没有任何改变。

  243. Popeye 说:
    @Mefobills

    嗯,缅甸 95% 的佛教徒对来自孟加拉国的穆斯林罗兴亚人使用了……带头……的方法。 当然,世界非常不安,并指责缅甸政府警察军队进行种族灭绝。 缅甸说我们正在与恐怖分子罪犯等作斗争

  244. Malla 说:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    他们是低种姓/游牧种姓的印度人。 大多数店主是巴尼亚。

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Anon
  245. Bukowski 说:

    声称存在灭绝所有吉普赛人的纳粹政策根本不是真的。
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3239/
    他们没有受到儿童手套的对待,但也没有将他们全部杀死的政策。

    • 同意: Beefcake the Mighty
    • 回复: @Wally
  246. @Malla

    低种姓的印度人通常最终会生活在海湾国家。 他们都没有钱移民美国。

    与美国人的看法相反,移民到美国是一个昂贵的过程。 大多数低种姓印度人负担不起。

    Baniya 种姓印度人,你的意思是一般上层种姓的印度人,而不仅仅是婆罗门,是唯一有钱移居美国的人。

    • 回复: @Joseph Doaks
  247. Anon[308]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    像爱尔兰旅行者一样,白人吉普赛人也同样糟糕。

  248. @Jeff Stryker

    “移民美国是一个昂贵的过程”

    从法律上讲,就是这样。

  249. Pandour 说: • 您的网站

    你只是喜欢一些吉普赛算命骗局。大约二十年前,在美国,一个吉普赛所谓的千里眼说服这位老太太,她的钱被诅咒了,她必须从银行取钱才能解除诅咒她只好用报纸把钱包起来,在镇上的桥上遇到吉普赛人。同时吉普赛人也只准备了一包报纸。在桥上,吉普赛人用手拉着雪橇,把老太太的钱装进口袋扔给她把包裹放进水里,说诅咒解除了。过了一会儿,老太太意识到她已经被骗了,但太羞于去报警了。

  250. bronek 说:

    大约 50 年前,我受雇从事一项关于吉普赛人(斯拉夫语中的“Cygan”)的研究。 我记不清了,但请记住以下信息,以下信息。 有些(如果不是全部)包含在一份 15 到 35 页的论文中。

    该研究与一个一直住在大型建筑物内和周围的群体有关。 女的住一楼,男的住二楼。 他们获得的权利当然比西欧、加拿大或美国的权利大众少得多。 红色哲学是吸引他们工作。

    几乎所有人都在偷窃,这已经不是什么秘密了。 女人通常会在他们家门前与房主交谈,而男人会进入后面偷窃。 他们的道德标准和价值观与欧洲人不同。

    大多数60岁以下的女性会从事卖淫活动。 这对他们来说不算什么。 在某种程度上,这就像西方人握手、拥抱或拍背。 在我和他们混在一起的日子里,他们偷走了我的口袋。 女孩们,也许年龄在 13 到 18 岁之间,一直乞求为兹罗提(波兰货币)清洁我的烟斗。

    与这里的一些帖子不同,他们可以说波兰语,尽管在语法上是不正确的。 确实,字面意义上的劳动对他们来说是令人厌恶的。 他们中的一些人确实工作过,我记得其中一个人是一名记者。

    有些很差,事实上这适用于大多数。 但是,在这里我们可以注意到,穷人的定义可以用多种方式来描述,包括与经济学有关的方式。 总的来说,他们是一个非常幸福的人。 他们的时间属于他们,不属于任何办公室、工厂或企业。 如果我们计算一生中有多少年可以从事就业,就很难判断它们是否在某些方面(劳动时间是资本)比东道国更富有。 你知道,有点像操纵银行交易的人。

    至于表型,最类似于孟加拉国的表型。 这并不适用于所有人。 偶尔会有一个浅肤色的女孩出现在他们中间。 一个像一个蓝眼睛的波兰人。 在某些情况下,他们并没有放弃这些孩子,而是在他们的文化中训练他们。

    正如其他帖子所指出的,他们中的一些人拥有相当不错的汽车。 这让我经历了一次迷人的冒险。 我开着相当高标准的车辆,很快发现最好不要让任何汽车靠近他们的住所。 他们会进入汽车并坚持要求维修。 我记得给一个女人现金只是为了让她别管我。 结果:她拿了钱,继续她的行为。 换句话说,她的协议概念与欧洲人不同。

    如果由公众决定,他们可能会被删除。 在那些日子里,尽管有清唱剧或李森科的教义,但公众还是被他们排斥。 与布达佩斯、罗马尼亚或捷克斯洛伐克不同,他们在波兰很少是 Cygan。 因此,那些没有直接与他们打交道的人就像新英格兰的自由党一样。

    它们没有任何好处,而且对欧洲社会有害。 他们确实有极高程度的团队合作。 他们之间的社会资本水平极高。

    • 谢谢: S
  251. Hantavirus 说:

    没有考虑吉普赛社区/乐队和家庭之间的国家和地区差异,我想指出他们通常是流动文化。 这意味着他们不会长时间将孩子送到同一所学校。 在一年中的部分时间里,他们除了特定的移动生活方式所需的最基本的实用、商业和犯罪技能之外,不会对孩子进行任何教育。 吉普赛人的旅行乐队绝对不是带轮子的PHD工厂! 无论他们走到哪里,都不尊重当地居民的财产权。 吉普赛营是垃圾堆是有原因的,这仅仅是因为他们不拥有土地,可能会被当地警察或当地居民强迫离开。 那么为什么不偷他们能找到的地方呢? 我在波斯尼亚、塞尔维亚、科索沃和匈牙利见过吉普赛营地,它们都是垃圾场。 想让您的房产价值减少一半以下吗? 让自己在隔壁的吉普赛营地! 他们摆脱贫困的唯一非犯罪方式是在自己的私人财产上永久定居 2-4 代,并让他们的孩子在当地和地区接受教育。 随着时间的推移,他们将因此在当地建立自己的人力资本,并像其他人一样被接受为体面的守法公民。 所以他们的两个选择要么是永久定居2-2代并繁荣昌盛,要么继续过着肮脏,卑微的生活在路上。 无论如何,给他们钱是非常愚蠢的,而且他们从不尊重任何这样做的人!

  252. caijoe 说:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    你是一个愚蠢的白痴和伟大的尝试,通过对每件事都有话要说来彻底毁掉一个董事会,过上自己的生活

    • 同意: but an humble craftsman
  253. Wally 说:
    @Bukowski

    – Bukowski,你说得完全正确,没有人可以反驳你。

    – 荒谬的“大屠杀产业”是为他们的假 6 万犹太人“买票”的一种方式。 除了关于灭绝同性恋者的谎言外,他们的虚假叙述中还包含荒谬的说法,即有 250,000 至 1,500,000 吉普赛人被德国人杀害。 就像不可能的“6 万犹太人”一样,没有证据。 正如你所指出的,可笑的“吉普赛人大屠杀”谎言已被彻底揭穿。

    以下是更多:
    2年1944月XNUMX日在奥斯威辛集中营的吉普赛人“行军”,由卡洛·马托尼奥: https://codoh.com/library/document/1488/?lang=en
    “因此,我们可以肯定,关于吉普赛难民营放气的故事并非基于历史事实。”
    '吉普赛'灭绝'大谎言被揭穿: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1744
    营地中的吉普赛人和同性恋者: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894

  254. @Anatoly Karlin

    所以,他变成了“纳粹”? 这是你能想到的最好的侮辱吗?
    我真的很喜欢这个话题,它表明我们中有多少人不知道贫穷是什么感觉。 我曾多次被社会渣滓偷走,但我最终还是因为新税款而损失更多,这些税款为豪华车人们经营的福利计划提供补贴。 我对罗姆人没有经验,但是当我看到他们的生活方式时,我看到了一个自由的人。 他们偷? 如果您尝试的每项活动都需要一些特殊的许可证或税款,而这只能通过注册并参与某些提取主义的犹太复国主义骗局(例如银行账户和非政府组织注册)来支付,您会怎么做?
    我会邀请他们去非洲,但他们可能会被抢劫……

  255. @Disgusted

    我不是故意失明。 我也不提倡吉普赛人的生活方式。 我正在观察某些事实。 第一,对吉普赛人的态度是“种族主义的”。

    喷出反白人的诽谤无助于推进你的“论点”,你这个无知的偏执狂。

  256. @mocissepvis

    在你不止一次被吉普赛人抢劫或盗窃后(不像犹太人,他们用伪法律和伪资本主义的诡辩装扮他们对你的抢劫,吉普赛人不会做任何借口),你开始意识到针对非- 罗姆人是他们文化的核心支柱,与数百年来对他们的系统性歧视无关。

    而且——就像“功能强大的吉普赛人”——他们甚至有一个准宗教的创始神话,“证明”从外人那里偷东西是正当的。 第四颗钉子. 这是 另一个版本.

  257. @Just Passing Through

    荒诞。 今天的大多数关系都是通过在线约会形成的。 此外,要求男性受试者对不同种族面孔的吸引力进行评分的科学实验总是重复这些结果。 与白人女性面孔相比,白人男性实验对象始终更喜欢亚洲和半亚洲人的面孔。

    在艾伦·格林伯格 (Ellen Greenberger) 领导的另一项实验中,白人男性和亚裔女性的异族夫妇被认为比单种族白人夫妇更具吸引力。 在 21 世纪,只有低等、失败的白人男性仍然可以和白人女性相处。 亚裔和亚裔女性是白人男性自然渴望的。 让像你这样的白人女性大吃一惊。

  258. RDB 说:
    @Cyrano

    听到“移民”的各种定义总是很有趣。 在过去的 400 年里,欧洲人在世界各地占领、入侵、偷窃和“殖民”本土土地,但似乎从未称自己为“移民”。 我从来没有(可以说很少)听到欧洲移民(也就是说,每个住在美洲、澳大利亚、新西兰、传说中的“西方”等地的白人)考虑或想要“同化”到土著人民的方式的生活。 恰恰相反:他们消灭和摧毁文化,然后(以某种方式)能够“合法地”证明这一切。 我不能遵循那个逻辑,因为没有逻辑,只有傲慢。 我并不是说吉普赛人没有问题。 但他们也没有发明人类毒气室,也没有犯下已知的种族灭绝罪行。 英国、西班牙、法国、德国和所有其他欧洲殖民“大国”不能声称这一点。 或许代表“西方”的一点自我反省对于确定世界历史上真正的“小偷”、“罪犯”、“凶手”是必要的。 当心:吉普赛人可能看起来比你想象的要好一些。

  259. xcd 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    你是从臀部射击。 维基百科上有几篇可以接受的关于印度叙利亚基督徒的文章。

  260. xcd 说:
    @Pericles

    他可能不需要福利。 他可以收取会员费,就像那些乘坐最好的私人飞机四处飞翔的美国传教士一样。

  261. ogunsiron 说:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    犹太人和他们的祖先曾说希伯来语(当时可能是迦南方言)。 晚了他们说希腊语和/或阿拉姆语。 然后是拉丁语和/或希腊语和/或阿拉姆语。 然后是意第绪语、拉迪诺语甚至是东道国人的语言。 然后重建希伯来语和一堆东道国语言,如英语和法语。

    犹太人表明语言是人的主要属性之一,但它并不完全是必要的属性。

  262. @Gunga Din

    “你听说过关于吉普赛人的好话吗? 除了小偷什么都没有。 根除它们。

    那么,祖国呢?

    这是如何挑选它。 宣布每个欧盟国家将举行公投:“我们应该成为吉普赛家园吗?”

    所有吉普赛人都被驱逐到“赞成”票最高的州。 从今以后,该州的居民在出国旅行时必须提供证据证明他们不是吉普赛人。

    这是尽可能人性化的,并且几乎肯定会解决问题。 即使在最无可挑剔的进步社会中,如果没有 100% 的“不”投票,就一定有人会“获胜”。

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