法国有66％的年轻穆斯林希望亵渎法律

It’s already the case.

西方的新宗教是犹太黑人同性恋崇拜。

不允许使用Blacksphemy。

Bl-ass-phemy是不允许的。

投票：法国有66％的年轻穆斯林想要亵渎法律，

和平：

Interestingly, the proportion of Muslims aged 15-17 refusing to condemn the attacks rose from 1% in 2016 to 22% in 2020. This makes for a very large pool of terrorist sympathizers and potential Islamic terrorists.

This is most definitely a problem. Sympathy for vigilantism (even aimed at morons like Charlie Hebdo) is NOT a good sign for any society.

哈欠，整个辩论非常“老套”。考虑到在法国相当多的城市，你现在必须在空荡荡的街道上戴面纱（口罩，但效果相同），这是因为新冠病毒而不是伊斯兰教，这就引出了一个问题，谁在乎呢？法国在这方面可能落后英国几年，但“觉醒的资本”现在会照顾任何亵渎者，除了一些老的、独立的富有的怪人（无论如何，他们将在十年内消失） ，早在任何刺伤之前。

“So where then are you going?” (81:26)

瓦萨拉姆。

我发现GD评论为 对法国道德和风气的丧失给予更大的关注 和其欧洲的法国多数，而不是暴露于其庞大的北非穆斯林移民社区的任何落后状况。

后者至少具有道德上的正派感，他们没有贬低他人的宗教象征以适合另一种。 尽管今天伪造的世俗但实际上是犹太复国主义的法国已经摆脱了已有数百年历史的天主教道德基础。 尽管他们的天主教徒主导的监督员散布了极端的错误，但在他们疯狂的世俗革命之后，确实发生了更多的破坏和混乱，这似乎已经破坏了他们的道德指南针。 看一下法国对他们的邻国的军事旅行以及他们随后在非洲/亚洲发生的殖民威胁和掠夺。 数百万人屠杀了少数人。

虽然大多数专家已经淘汰了 查理周刊 作为某种由半政府赞助的虚假旗帜事件，我个人发现法国的逻辑，不合逻辑。

以最邪恶的方式谴责和Mo毁耶稣和穆罕默德的形象及其教义，这是合法的，也是可以接受的，但不要质疑大屠杀或以色列的叙述，坐牢就在等待着你。

真的Guilluane Durocher充满了，他的法国权利也是如此，现在它已成为Zio控制的殖民地，称为法兰西共和国。 法国的伪造民族主义权利只想与边缘人打架 但是可能是社会中更多具有道德和道德底蕴的穆斯林部分，并且是由那些在其政府，媒体和经济方面获得了全面统治的人所组成。

法国工人阶级和中产阶级为了生存而在生死战中奋斗，正如他们长久而英勇的描绘的那样。 黄色背心 被无情镇压的示威游行。 Guilluane Durocher是在开玩笑说这话还是在向他的主人请教？

Religion has no standing in the modern world. It’s a dumbass searching desperately for a reason to exist, sometimes resorting to such haphazard techniques as giving refuge to illegal aliens in want of new followers.

That’s why religion is mocked today; it has been surpassed by 20th century scientific discoveries and nobody can truly believe in God anymore. It has nothing to do with “degeneracy”. Religion has simply lost respect and can never attain it again. And religious people are only mad that their own faith in God is no longer tenable — not that some “tradition” has been violated. They simply feel like shit because they would prefer to keep the delusion alive — but that makes them feel like retarded clowns. They are afraid of scientific experiments, imperical measurements, and objective reality. You commenters say blasphemy should be punished, but I say religious belief should be punished.

imperical measurements

*emperical

Islam is inherently blasphemous against Christianity, because it denies Christ’s divinity. And talking about “traditional religion” as if there should be an alliance between “believers” of all faiths is just American-style bs. France should either be a Catholic kingdom or a secular fascist dictatorship, in both models there isn’t a place for Muslims.

How many young French cucks support prosecuting hate speech or bombing Isis?
How many of your colour-blind boomers actually had a non-white neighbour or would give up even a dollar of their stolen wealth?

Easy to be colour blind in 1960s white america or Europe when everyone’s the same colour.
If liberalism were correctly classified a religion, it’d have the most extremists||

Run along & call the dance of Frankish whores (ballet) art, while you sit around flexing your masculinity unarmed||

Science says blacks r ppl, & being Gay is OK||

Define “young Muslims in France”?

French burka wearing “converts”?

99,99999% burka wearing Muslims in the Netherlands are “white” Dutch women…..

事实！

These people are not North Africans or Middle Eastern….OBVIOUSLY!

https://images.app.goo.gl/YKKytWAiVuzonXF8A

后者至少具有道德上的正派感，他们没有贬低他人的宗教象征以适合另一种。

确实如此，TT。

对于诚实的，不了解情况的美国读者，以及在此主题上最不诚实，不那么神秘的犹太复国主义者的帖子，重要的是要提醒人们，查理·赫布多（Charlie Hebdo）制作了关于基督教最神圣的象征的哪种“智力”漫画封面：

耶稣将上帝鸡奸并被圣灵所鸡奸：

耶稣以男性生殖器为面孔，睁开眼睛对教会中的虐待儿童行为：

小耶稣出生在他所属的地方，坐在马桶上，所以脸红了：

我的工作经常带我去穆斯林多数国家。 我肯定知道一件事：如果那里有人敢于制作有关主耶稣基督的漫画，他们甚至可能甚至没有将其送进监狱，并且以前曾在街头被私刑。

至少穆斯林具有一致性。 让我们感到羞耻的是，欧洲人再也没有礼貌了。

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Religion has no standing in the modern world. It’s a dumbass searching desperately for a reason to exist, sometimes resorting to such haphazard techniques as giving refuge to illegal aliens in want of new followers

Well if that is true and to be believed and accepted why is the Zionist state of Israel such an untouchable and and over praised subject. So many Westerners cannot hold themselves from heaping praise and adulation to it, bloody short history and all.

Is the recently founded state of Israel not based on an ancient religious callings and doctrines that may include the legitimizing of the ethnic cleansing of another people from their land and country? Confused and Contradictory as it may be, but largely unquestioned or strongly supported by your so called Secular Scientific Western Culture including the French Nationalist Right..

Whatever suits your media and political masters seems acceptable, like Jews gathering for a Alieya immigration to Israel and the bulldozing of Palestine’s communities. Are we to understand this is not backward religious fanaticism?

While if Muslim North African immigrants wear a 布尔卡 or bow down to pray, wow, oh my god, (pardon the expression) they are religious fanatics to be denigrated and a threat to secular France. Contradictions Galore in your logic.

It’s the “right to prosecute” Charlie Hebdo, for publishing a cartoon … that’s where it gets nasty.

The really nasty thing about Islam is the fusion of Church and State. It’s fundamental to Islam that there is no freedom of religion, only freedom of worship in your designated religion.

雅加达市长的入狱令我特别震惊。

I didn’t know they were this vile. Wow!

I honestly can’t believe that believing Christians wouldn’t also be up at arms (legally) about this.

和平：

关于伊斯兰教，真正令人讨厌的是教会与国家的融合。

“教会与国家的融合”是每种宗教，特别是自由主义的特征。 就是说，如果您声称信仰某种宗教，那么自然就应该使该宗教的社会愿景得以实现。 如果您的宗教信仰教““您不可杀人”，那么您当然应该希望谋杀是非法的。 如果您的宗教信仰“画X不好”，那么您当然应该禁止画X。

声称支持独立的“政教分离”的人们在自欺欺人。 他们只是为支持不同于他们所信奉的信仰体系的人提供了合理化的选择。

法国的问题与伊斯兰教关于分离政教分离的观点无关。 实际上，如果法国从未接受过这种妄想并保持现状，那法国的境况会好得多。 在法律上 天主教徒。 相反，法国的问题是您有两个（或更多） 根本不同 信仰系统在共享空间中竞争。

In other neighbouring countries it wouldn’t happen or there would be more background explanation for it (e.g. Spain).

I never understood the extremes of French secularism, this kind of secularism looks retarded or morally degenerate in itself.

“That’s why religion is mocked today; it has been surpassed by 20th century scientific discoveries and nobody can truly believe in God anymore.”

This is pure wish fulfillment. Religion is resurgent even in the secular West.

So we have a satirical magazine that publishes the vilest possible insults against Islam and Christianity, but regards even the mildest sort of criticism of Jews as an immediate firing offense.

Veteran French cartoonist Siné, a free-spirit and die-hard anarchist with no respect whatsoever for power, made a joke about the coming wedding of Jean Sarkozy. Commenting that Sarkozy was converting to Judaism to marry a young lady who, as heir of the Darty family, was Jewish and rich, Siné concluded that the groom would “go far in life“。

For anybody with a shred of honesty, it was obvious that Siné was mocking the Sarkozys, whose former president father is notorious for his reckless ambition and greedy opportunism. Nonetheless, Siné got immediately sacked from Charlie Hebdo for “anti-Semitism”.

Charlie Hebdo depicts Jesus, Mohamed, the Pope and the catholic clergy in all sorts of vile and degrading positions; it never does so for Rabbis or any symbol of the Jewish religion.

Politicians don’t escape its satire: there has been many degrading covers of Presidents Hollande, Macron and their spouses, and even recently, one of President Xi cosy in bed with a pangolin, directed of course to the stupid public who hasn’t yet understood that “China did Covid 19”.
But strangely enough, there is never any cartoon of Bernard Henry Levy, France’s Zionist Pro-Consul and biggest war criminal alive, who has presided over the destruction of Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria.

Let’s not forget about the pedophile and rapists, of which France has its fair share.
Roman Polanski keeps coming in the news when new victims speak up. Epstein had a strong presence in Paris and his main provider of teenage models was French-Israeli Brunel.
Weinstein assaulted a number of known French actresses who spoke up in the press.
But none of those members of the Jewish community ever graced Charlie’s cover, who instead chose to present Tariq Ramadan, the only known Muslim personality vaguely accused of mistreating his adult mistresses.

Charlie Hebdo are despicable, even more so because of their alleged irreverent posture.

the extremes of French secularism

French secularism is the OG, it seems it wants to set the gold standard for secularism.

和平：

‘“Do you understand the indignation regarding the publication of the Mohammed cartoons?” 73% of Muslims said yes, as against 29% of French people at large (including Muslims).’

Nu？ I understand the indignation. What kind of an idiot would not understand the indignation?

You could ask Christians the same question regarding ‘Piss Christ’ and get the same answer.

不要在阿拉身边向他们祈祷的人放纵他们，以免他们因无知而错误地在阿拉身边祈祷。 因此，对每个国家来说，我们使他们的行为显得公平。 然后他们归还给他们的主，他会告诉他们他们曾经做什么。 [6：108}

This imperative applies to Muslims alone. Violation of it isn’t a legally actionable offense, though it’s not characteristic of faith. Adherence to it cultivates an atmosphere of mutual respect for folk of various convictions.

宗教没有强迫。 指导从错误中脱颖而出。 谁拒绝假神并与阿拉保持信仰，谁就牢牢握住了永不中断的手。 阿拉是听者，知道者。 [2：256]

如果宗教没有强迫性，那么支持立法以有效地强迫对包括伊斯兰教在内的任何宗教的尊重的目的是什么？ 如果就其本身而言，指导可以从错误中脱颖而出，那么在法律的色彩下，可以通过什么理由来强制指导呢？

Elementary Islamic jurisprudence informs us that Qur’anic imperative supersedes what is presented in 圣训. Thus, where a conflict exists between the two, The Qur’an trumps 圣训. The entire basis of “blasphemy law” in post-Abbasid jurisprudence is predicated upon 圣训 and biographic material, not The Qur’an.

当我分享他们对以下内容的憎恶时 查理周刊 and the like, I’m not confident the anti-blasphemy advocates appreciate the ramifications of enacting such legislation. Once it’s ensconced in law, there is no rationale by which to prevent other efforts to proscribe expression considered “objectionable” by a constituency of influence. Today’s parameters of blasphemy will inevitably expand to include particular types of writing, art, music, and cinema, all subjectively defined as “forbidden” depending upon which way the political winds blow.

这些穆斯林怎么能如此确信他们不会自食其果呢？

It is amusing to think these people may eventually come to constitute the GOP’s core voting bloc, but I believe that this is what will eventually happen.

The GOP might very well need to adopt a more leftist flavor (at least on economic policy) for that to occur, IMHO.

一个有趣的观点，凯文。但我认为你错了。宗教的出现是因为人类足够聪明，知道他们会死，但又不够聪明，不知道没有超自然的方法可以治愈这种必然的死亡。然后它被精英利用，将一些大规模的疯狂强加给我们其他人。亵渎行为是强加给我们的一种方式。

That merchant everyone pretends was illiterate, as though any merchant could be, was obsessed with the ambition of being a prophet, the best, the final. He wrote a book a large part of which is about how every tribe or nation that did not become followers of the particular prophet God sent them was obliterated, vanished totally. He starts with Noah’s particular people, totally wiped out by the Flood for not following their prophet Noah, but goes on with stories of about five other nations, including the Midianites, exterminated down to the last baby on God’s orders because they didn’t become faithful followers of their prophet Balaam.

That’s a religion, Tommy. That not even the mildest, well-justified criticism of the Jews can be made is a religion, a mass-insanity imposed on the masses by their / our rulers.

I’m for it. The Quran is filled with blasphemies against Our Lord and any “Frenchman” believing in it, needs to do time in French prison and expelled from the country.
Sounds like a plan for all civilised countries in fact.

I don’t think people in the West have turned away from religion because of the success of science. Atheists mock the notion of “the God of the Gaps”, but if anything those gaps seem to have become bigger.

I think the real reason is that the Universe shows no sign of being moral. As someone once said, if the Universe was proposed as an experiment then it would never have passed the ethics committee.

I could not just press LOL but – the toad fucks viper part of your comment is – ahh, I 爱 it already!

George Marchais will soldier on, though. – He will always be looking for crooked things to do. I think he is just such a kind of guy.

Charlie Hébdo did some really impressive things and – still is – hilariously funny at times. But, but, but – they lack something which is baked into the intellectual DNA of Europe, and what should just not be forfeited – they lack – – – critical self-reflection of their own perspective.

The GOP might very well need to adopt a more leftist flavor (at least on economic policy) for that to occur, IMHO.

How is giving total and unquestioned power to the state good for anyone, other than the state? There is nothing in that recipe for their traditional consistuencies.

So France *已经* has “blasphemy punished by law”, but 66% of Muslims think it’s unfair that such criminal penalties only apply to some “blasphemies”…

Your conclusion here seems just right – if one accepts the premise, that The Holocaust-discourse has crossed the line of a worldly (=historical, factual thing) to a somewhat sacred (= otherworldy, transcendental thing).

That’s what the Heidelbergian historian Rolf Peter Sieferle says in his quite densely argued essay 菲尼斯·日耳曼尼亚, by the way. Sieferle, who was a 68er Marxist but with the years turned rather right-wing and was quite critical of immigration, said that Europe was basically secularized – with the exception of the Holocaust, which now is being treated in such a way of reasoning and arguing, which was formerly exclusively attributed to religion.

He said too, that by no means should the Right try to doubt the enormous crimes carried out by Nazi Germany – especially to Jews. – As a historian, he said, that such attempts would be utterly false and despicable.

But nevertheless, he claimed, that it would come at a dire price to turn the Holocaust-discourse into something like (or quite close to) a secular religion.

The low IQ Mexican peasants that are invading America are by default lower class in a society with enough higher IQ whites and Asians.

Or will Muslims in France maintain a distinct culture, a parallel society, at once alien and capable of domination? That is the Soumission scenario.

What Michel Houellebecq undoubtedly gets is the strength of the Muslim-culture – in a Europe which is actually losing on the industrial front big style to China, Japan, Taiwan, Korea. – Muslims still have metaphysical roots and close family ties, and this does make them strong in a spiritually exhausted and (Douglas Murray – 欧洲的奇怪死亡) and economically badly suffering Europe. – I personally am not sure about the “dominance” part though. I know quite a few Muslims who are just happy to have escaped the boundaries of their culture. What some of them absolutely not get is just how cowardly German officials react to the criminal and – oh yes, that too – to the threats which go along with the laugablly easy possiblity to immigrate into our welfare system. – How this will play out -will there be within a few years, more Muslims and Jews (!) than Christians in the immigration-critical AfD? – I’d not be utterly surprised, I have to say.

Btw. – Thilo Sarrazin’s new Book on this topic is out: “The Stae at its Borders (and limits)” (“Der Staat an seinen Grenzen”) – that would be a useful thing: To translate this book into French and English, methinks. That this does not happen much with the work of Thilo Sarrazin shows me, how intellectually weak France is (and the anglosphere too).

这些穆斯林怎么能如此确信他们不会自食其果呢？

Dear AS, this is a great comment but you and GD unfortunately missed the point; Ron Unz didn’t.

法国世俗主义（莱西特）确实应该促进和保护言论自由和良心自由。在 在练习上 however, it has morphed into a system whereby there is total freedom of insulting others for the Organised Jewish Community, but censorship, fines and prison for everybody else’s objectionable opinions.

This is what young French Muslims are seeing and recognizing by demanding people’s faiths to be protected by law; their “gut” thinking is actually ahead of that of political analysts.
法国的社会自由主义已经失败，被根据选区而实行的公然双重标准所摧毁，而在这种破坏中，给予有组织犹太社区的敲诈性和引人注目的特权发挥了主要作用。

Someone once said on this forum that what the Christians (as well as the liberals) lack and what the Muslims conspicuously have is a “Warrior Class”, that is to say, men aged between say eighteen and forty five who are willing and able to fight on behalf of their community.

Christianity is soft and feminine and is seen as a pushover now, whilst David Cameron spoke about “Muscular Liberalism”, which is a fantasy since working class white men, a potential warrior class, at least in the UK but I dare say everywhere else, are never going to fight on behalf of gays and transvestites and all the other fringe causes close to the heart of the Liberal Establishment.

Some time ago Muslims in Birmingham (UK) refused to send their children to school because they didn’t like their children being taught about gays. Somehow the local Labour Party MP, a white woman of course, contrived to blame the stand off on White Men. The politicians had the law and the police on their side, but the Muslims would not back down. Their faith is more infinitely more important than secular law, especially law that is so contrary to normal human sentiments. There is, as you say, no metaphysical stuffing to liberalism and liberal causes.

I don’t think people in the West have turned away from religion because of the success of science. Atheists mock the notion of “the God of the Gaps”, but if anything those gaps seem to have become bigger.

I think the real reason is that the Universe shows no sign of being moral. As someone once said, if the Universe was proposed as an experiment then it would never have passed the ethics committee.

As I said in a reply to John Plywood, I don’t think people in the West did actually turn against religion because otherwise the emergence and strength of the Cult of Woke is very hard to explain. It seems like the number of people who really adopted a naturalistic and scientific worldview and can hold to it consistently is limited to a minority, even if many more people declare themselves officially non-religious in surveys.

Strangely part of the basis of the whole Social Justice fixation is a persistent crude belief that nature is inherently moral and just, that minorities of bad actors (i.e. white males) have deceived people about obvious egalitarian truths for their own self interest.

Sarkozy lives in Morocco…..for some reason

您从《古兰经》中引述的话说：“宗教中没有强迫”，这句经文已被废止。

不错的尝试。

《古兰经》中有300多个被废止的经文。剑的经文占了几乎一半的废止。 在这种情况下，“好”的经文通常被野蛮的经文废除，例如上述剑的经文。

如果您不花精力研究一种宗教的学说，那么您就不可能做出任何与之相似的明智评论。

“ While most experts have outed the Charlie Hebdo events as some sort of semi-state sponsored False Flag, I personally find the French logic, illogical.”

And so, most probably, the Bataclan and the Nice rampaging truck events ( Bataclan was clearly insinuated by the Illuminati’s mouthpiece’ The Economist’ in the last issue of 2014.

It strikes me as strange that these events tend to implicate the Muslims while at the same time Muslim immigration is condoned. Are the PTB trying to foment their age old strategy of divide and conquer?

French morality has suffered enormously under the secular reign. France, in a nutshell, has moved from Victor Hugo to Henri Bernard Lévy. It all looks like the demise of the French identity is not too far away.

又一个回归圣战的暴徒。白色垃圾害虫。

Great comment, great insight, as usual. Thanks.

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The really nasty thing about Islam is the fusion of Church and State. It’s fundamental to Islam that there is no freedom of religion, only freedom of worship in your designated religion

I have worked in 4 Islamic countries as well as many Euro countries and traveled to many others around the globle. Never saw or heard about what you mention, with the partial exception of the Wahabist Kingdom of Arabia, where persecution maybe reserved only for Muslim minorities.

there is more freedom of religion and worship in most Muslim majority countries than in many fake secular countries of the West (including France and the USA) that ban the construction of Mosques and Hindu temples, etc in many of their regions.

I traveled through southern Spain not so long ago and got to learn that even in the Middle Ages the Muslim principalities there practiced a very workable and fair religious tolerance and multi religious societies that was unheard of in the Euro West until the secular national states arose.

Each religious community there was free to practice their religion, language, culture and legal system without interference from the government unless one tried to step on the toes of the other, which basically did not happen until the Reconquista moved in with their fascistic Catholic domination and Inquisition Reign of Terror, which was basically a take Catholicism or leave the country policy for non-Catholics.

My understanding is that Muslim states and countries of recent times or the far past did not practice religious persecution in any overt or unjust manner of non-Muslim minorities, despite what many White Euro Nationalists will claim. Sure Muslims got some preferential treatments like many other majority groups dominating a country, but not always, I came to understand, that Jews in the middle ages and Christians in modern times, that these minorities received equal or even preferential treatment by the rulers who harbored more fears of potential rebellion by their Muslim majorities. Otherwise preferential treatment is left to select tribal or regional groups that are deemed most loyal.

I have always been amazed when I traveled with first time US visitors to the Middle East that they were surprized that Christians were not persecuted, but rather full participants in the ruling, economic, social, cultural life of their home countries, the diametrical opposite of their pre-programmed narrative suggesting hate and violence. That fair treatment of minorities cannot be said for all Western or claimed Christian dominated states for Muslims and others and certainly is not part of the state of Israel construct, a Jew first exclusionary state.

I think the real reason is that the Universe shows no sign of being moral. As someone once said, if the Universe was proposed as an experiment then it would never have passed the ethics committee.

This is actually an ancient and indeed profound question, to which believers in a Supreme Being often fail to find a convincing enough answer.

It was often illustrated by atheist Dostoevsky in his novels.
在里面 ”Karamazov Brothers“, in the famous “暴动” chapter, rational intellectual Ivan crushes the religious feelings of young monk Aliocha, by providing unbearable examples of suffering inflicted upon children and asking how the belief in an all-powerful God could accept that.

Nothing ever can make us accept the suffering of children. But faith and rational mind belong to two separate realms, and the former believes that our existence on Earth is only a blink compared to the afterlife.

Islamic tolerance of Christianity in the Middle East vacillated from tenuous to overtly hostile. During the Fatimid reign in Egypt, Christians were obliged to put a mark on their clothing. Most Christians Egyptians would tell you about stories of persecution especially in the countryside of which we saw many manifestations during the brief reign of the Muslim Brotherhood with many churches blown up in the midst of Christian worshipping and the impossibility to build or even do minor reparations to churches without a presidential decree from the time of secular Nasser’s regime. The Christians of the Ottoman Empire suffered enormously, with the Armenian genocide and the great famine by design in mostly Christian Mount Lebanon During the First World War. The Christians of Syria and Iraq were subject to many pogroms throughout history.

Though one thing that we should admit is that Christian suffering tended to increase with Western invasions starting from the crusades to the establishment of Israel to the latest wars against Iraq. Another immutable reality is that secularism among Muslims in any multi confessional society is simply not an option; just notice the reaction to the Muslim woman who wanted to convert to Christianity in order to marry her Christian husband in Malaysia, a majority Muslim country with a most liberal form of Islam and whose constitution guarantees the right of free worship. The top court of Malaysia ruled that no Muslim can convert to other faiths without the consent of the Shariah court. In secular Europe you can convert as you please.

声称支持独立的“政教分离”的人们在自欺欺人。 他们只是为支持不同于他们所信奉的信仰体系的人提供了合理化的选择。

随队的性质随时间而改变。 相对于宗派主义，世俗主义和政教分离是一个巨大的进步。 问题在于，制造麻烦的人打破了世俗人道主义的界限，以使其本身成为一种宗教，并相信对许多公民而言，这既是外来的又是敌对的。 世俗主义采用了本应消灭的文书主义的恶习。

法国花了200多年的时间才经历了这一周期。 在爱尔兰只用了30年。

问题是，我们从这里到哪里去？ 如今，基督教的等级制是无能为力的，因此，建立宗教国家的想法似乎相对温和。 但是，如果我们做出这样的选择，不久之后我们将再次面临文书虐待儿童的丑闻，而权力将掌握在 杰出人士.

There’s something so childish, so petulant, so 犹太 about blasphemy.

Blasphemy, especially against Christians, is about as edgy as the artwork of Banksy. Let us know when (((Charlie Hebdo))) does something really daring like mocking “the holocaust”.

#52

Yes, I read that the Shia Fatamids of Egypt had their issues with their Christian minorities and even with their Muslim majorities which rebelled against their very self serving rule after they failed to defend against the first invasion of the Euro Crusade, which also did not do much for bettering the lot of the Eastern Christians anyhow.

The Armenian Genocide was a Young Turk (Secularized, Masonic -Judeo led) enterprise, rather an Islamic undertaking as most of the Middle East anyhow supported the Armenians, though many Armenians seem to view things simply in basic black/white religious terms. Again the Ottoman persecution against Arab Christians had more to do with their rebellion against the empire and drive for independence rather than a purely religious persecution in WWI, and was not much worse than that meted out to their Arab Muslim brethen at the time, who were largely in open rebellion to the Ottoman rule.

Yes, obviously there was societal discrimination between the two religious competitors and surely some mild persecution depending on the social and political situation at the time, but genocides and mass forced conversions 翼 the Crusades and Spanish Reconquista / Inquisition have not been historically documented.

An incisive observation of a long past Anthropologist friend of mine many years ago, was that minorities in any country will always have a tendency to exaggerate their position of being singled out for discrimination (whether true or not) and always place blame for their failures (or being by passed for position) on their minority status. He said psychologically it was always better to try to think and act like you are part of the majority, as that will place fewer unseen obstacles to success and full participation.

We can see where Euro-Jews went with their over self remorse and self pity as a supposedly excluded and persecuted minority and ended up to now be in a supreme position in the leading countries of the West.

您从《古兰经》中引述的话说：“宗教中没有强迫”，这句经文已被废止。

引用此声明的公认的穆斯林权威/消息来源。

古兰经中有超过300句被废止的经文

根据哪个训scholar学者？
“…some did indeed say that up to 200 verses were abrogated. This, again, is based on a broader understanding of “abrogation.” Others said less than 100. Imam Suyuti stated that only 19 verses of the Qur’an were abrogated, and Shah Wali Allah agreed with Imam Suyuti on only 5 of those 19.”
https://seekersguidance.org/answers/general-counsel/jihad-abrogation-in-the-quran-the-verse-of-the-sword/

The verse of “no compulsion” is fully in play; forced conversions are not allowed.

如果您不花精力研究一种宗教的学说，那么您就不可能做出任何与之相似的明智评论。

I’ve studied Islamic jurisprudence with multiple qualified muftis of the Hanafi school (in original medieval source texts) for over ten years – can you write your name in Arabic if your life depended on it?

和平：

Whether Muhammad appears in South Park or Hebdo is really of little consequence to Europeans. In the case of France, what really matters is how many Muslims (and non-Muslims) think it is okay to leech off the ethnic French and dispossess them through infinite invasion.

The answer is, of course, too many. And it is that reality, which is the real problem, is treated as blasphemy.

总是做出错误的选择。当双方都同样反对耶稣时，就没有选择的一方。如果耶稣要再来，当他所有的子民都在别处时，耶稣为什么要回到那里呢？

Hispanics assimilate to white American norms much more readily. Bull

Look at the legislation Hipanics are passing in California.

Last year California’s Assembly passed its ethnic-studies bill known as AB 331 by a 63-8 vote. Then the state department of education put forward a model curriculum so extreme and ethnocentric that the state Senate’s Democratic supermajority balked. The curriculum said among other things that “within Ethnic Studies, scholars are often very critical of the system of capitalism as research has shown that Native people and people of color are disproportionately exploited within the system.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/californias-radical-indoctrination-11598829048

‘Hispanics assimilate to white American norms much more readily. Bull’

In my experience, Ron’s right about that. I remember teaching in Los Angeles; when I taught in a ‘white’ high school about half the kids would still have Hispanic names — but they would act ‘white.’

There was a Hispanic teacher I knew at another — definitely Hispanic — high school. I only realized she was Hispanic when I noticed that she moved the same way the Mexican girls did. Otherwise, she was ‘white.’

She once said something to the effect that ‘we Mexicans are really like the Jews or the Italians — we came here, and we assimilated. It’s just that in our case, more Mexicans kept coming.’

And it was true. At Lincoln High School, the only second-generation Mexican kids were those whose parents were real losers. The overwhelming majority were either immigrants or the first generation to be born in US. Point is, most second-generation Mexicans had gone on out to suburbia and become some white dude’s neighbor who happened to like Carne Asada.

I was talking to a second-generation Mexican carpenter I was using, and he started bitching about a Guatemalan we both knew. The Guatemalan was a hell of a worker — but you could practically hear the wind flutes when you dealt with him. Definitely 不能 assimilated.

Now, the Mexican carpenter was a Raiders fan, etc. Essentially, I found myself relating to him about the way I would to a working-class white from back East somewhere. Anyway, as he started in about Marcelino, I had an epiphany.

On a continuum with me at one end and Marcelino at the other, Jaime was already a lot closer to me than he was to Marcelino. Between the three of us, the ‘we’ was more me and Jaime than Jaime and Marcelino.

These guys turn into white people. All we need to do is quit letting more in.

‘Look at the legislation Hipanics are passing in California…’

These aren’t Hispanics.

One of the actual drawbacks to the Hispanic influx is that — rightly or wrongly — Hispanics are extremely cynical about politics and politicians. As a result, those who wind up getting elected reflect the actual needs, desires, and preferences of their constituents only 非常 imperfectly.

To get elected, politicians representing Hispanic constituencies play the usual big-city vested interest games: labor unions, etc. Beyond that, if anything they pander to 白色 leftist tastes — so as to get the endorsements of newspapers, school teachers, etc.

It’s all got nothing to do with what Juan Q. Automechanic wants or cares about.

Dear AS, this is a great comment but you and GD unfortunately missed the point

Actually, I did get that point, but my post was directed at the opinion itself rather than the current zeitgeist in which it is advanced. Whether or not a conscious exploitation of duplicitously applied law motivates those Muslims, I am obliged to state my opposition to the opinion, as it does not faithfully represent the fundamentalist orthodox view.

‘Always with the false choices. There is no side to choose, when both are equally against Jesus. If Jesus were to return, why would Jesus go back there, when all his people are elsewhere?’

Stray sheep and all that.

…but to the point. They aren’t equally against Jesus. Muslims revere him as a prophet, and have religious strictures barring persecution of his followers.

How can you compare that to ‘Piss Christ’ or what’s in the Talmud? Find a Muslim who has said what Sarah Silverman has said. Jews and secular whites can barely contain their hostility and contempt for Christianity. Islam at least meets Christianity part-way. It just seeks to politely differ.

快闪投票：

西方国家 85% 的白人希望亵渎他们的神（犹太人） 继续受到法律制裁。

如果您不花精力研究一种宗教的学说，那么您就不可能做出任何与之相似的明智评论。

*啊*

I’ve been at it for thirty years now. And you?

Interesting trends in that vein…
“A slight majority of American adults say Jesus was a great teacher and nothing more during his lifetime, which several Christian leaders say is evidence today’s faithful are “drifting away” from traditional evangelist teachings.

As earlier reported by The Christian Post, the 2020 survey conducted by Ligonier Ministries, a Florida-based Reform Church nonprofit, found 52 percent of U.S. adults say they believe Jesus Christ is not God — a belief that contradicts traditional teachings of the Bible through the Christian church, which state Jesus was both man and God.

Nearly one-third of evangelicals in the survey agreed that Jesus isn’t God, compared to 65 percent who said ‘Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God.’”
https://www.newsweek.com/52-percent-americans-say-jesus-isnt-not-god-was-great-teacher-survey-says-1528617

和平：

‘…Hispanics assimilate to white American norms much more readily…’

Well, here, note that America is a culture built to assimilate immigrants. European states are — or at least were intended to be — ethnic monocracies. The whole notion of nationalism in Europe is built around the (polite fiction) that Germans, Frenchmen, Italians, Poles, Russians, etc, etc are unified by blood as well as culture.

Here, on the contrary, we’ve openly taken in and absorbed 每个人。 您将被同化。

That isn’t true of Europe. Notice their frantic attempts to rationalize outlawing hijabs, etc. They instinctively reject the newcomers, where we instinctively try to absorb them.

This isn’t to say one’s better than the other. It’s just to note that Hispanics assimilate much more readily to American culture at least partly because anyone would assimilate much more readily to American culture.

The whole notion of nationalism in Europe is built around the (polite fiction) that Germans, Frenchmen, Italians, Poles, Russians, etc, etc are unified by blood as well as culture.

One that was given a huge push in the last World War when millions of various Europeans were forced here and there to accommodate that “polite fiction”.

Interestingly, my wife’s ancestors are actually of German origin that settled in Sweden (first Norway) relatively recently, but, since WW2, they do not emphasize that history at all and consider themselves to be fully-flag-flying-Swedes.

It seems what Europe was originally really looking to do was import cheap labor from its overseas colonies. Perhaps the smarter thing would have been to have short-term work-immigration for a temporary stay of 10-15 years without ability to extend stay or something. Maybe akin to what Gulf states have, but far more decent and humane. The guy comes, brings his family, stays in designated neighborhoods, earns a bunch of money to take back with him and live well in his old country.

和平：

Newsweek is published in a deep hole near the Iranian border so that they could get as close to hell as they possibly could. I don’t worry about their ignorant and distorted polls, I worry about anyone gullible enough to BELIEVE them…

Then move BACK to some Muslim-run third world nation – Isn’t THAT simple? Why did you LEAVE there in the first place? So you could try to convert the entire nation of France? Miserable losers…

I don’t live in France. Ask those Muslims that did move there.

So you could try to convert the entire nation of France?

That’s the only reason Muslims should be there in the first place.

和平：

Because Jesus is not a lowly prophet to the Christians, Jesus is their hope. Also just because Muslims pretend to hold Jesus in some esteem doesn’t mean they don’t routinely kill/subjugate Christians when the moment arises. What would they think of Jesus turning water into wine? While I’m no fan of Silverman she does physically kill far less. Atheists like Muslims are not the people Christians should look to as allies as there are none there. There are many sects of Christian denominations (freedom of religion) some may be right and some may be wrong in their practices but it’s a choice, a freedom based on individual belief in Jesus or a possibly a deception, I wouldn’t want to be the one who leads Jesus people astray. I don’t think Jesus would travel around forcing people to commit to him. It’s a choice, but if you met, found or heard Jesus, you may want to stay with Jesus and stop removing his name to suit others who aren’t Christian and who wouldn’t be persecuted for their belief in Jesus.
(Some of this may not pertain to you personally but I just like to throw everything in to one short blob.)

“Little recent commenting history”

Blasphemy, especially against Christians, is about as edgy as the artwork of Banksy. Let us know when (((Charlie Hebdo))) does something really daring like mocking “the holocaust”.

You won’t see that happening until long after Homer Simpson stops eating doughnuts and barbecue.

Charlie Hebdo did some really impressive things and – […] – they lack – – – critical self-reflection of their own perspective.

The real Charlie Hebdo had an old tradition. It was created in 1970 to replace satirical magazine “Hara-Kiri” after it was banned for making a joke of General de Gaulle’s death, dryly comparing it to a passing after partying, in echo to a recent fire in a ball hall.

Following the ban, Charlie was founded by the same veteran cartoonists Francois Cavanna and Professeur Choron, children of May 1968 and the epitome of French anarchist, trashy, anti-conformist, progressive and deeply humanist humour. They were many things but they were consistent in their rejection of social conformism under 所有 its forms.

After Charlie went bankrupt in the 80’s, it was re-launched with dodgy globalized capital in the 90’s, with Philippe Val as editorial Trojan horse . Val got rid of historic founder Professeur Choron, and progressively of other notable participants, transforming the magazine into an empty shell ready to endorse and participate into “the Clash of Civilisations”.

By 2002, 9/11 had been executed and the time had come: Charlie overtly showed its new NeoCon credentials and published the Islamphobic ranting of Italian author Oriana Fallaci. The rest is history.

Philippe Val is gay and had long formed a comedy duo, and possibly more, with Patrick Font, a convicted pedophile sent to prison for assaulting children, boys and girls.

It is always the same pattern: globalized money coming out of the blue and propping up people with huge skeletons in their cupboards on the world scene of the Clash of Civilizations and Islamphobia.

And so, most probably, the Bataclan and the Nice rampaging truck events ( Bataclan was clearly insinuated by the Illuminati’s mouthpiece’ The Economist’ in the last issue of 2014

Indeed. The Toulouse, Bataclan and Nice Bastille Day attacks were obvious false flags that left blatant loose ends.

In comparison, the Charlie Hebdo false flag was relatively well executed, with only minor hiccups: the traditional ID was left behind as a friendly wink to the public, and, according to the official photos, the terrorists found the time to leisurely replace the side mirrors of their escape car.

#查理周刊
Ces criminels ont eu l'audace de s'arrêter dans une concession Citroën pour changer les rétroviseurs. pic.twitter.com/XKsICGwNN5

— Cartenae (@AkimKoceir) 2015 年 1 月 7 日

However, however…..victims are not always cooperative when their loved ones are murdered.

Famed cartoonist Georges Wolinski was murdered aged 80 in the Charlie Hebdo attack.
His widow Maryse recalled in a book how four eye-witnesses of the attack saw the terrorist Kouachi brothers accompanied and driven by a third man, who disappeared and was never investigated by the police. Paris’police later put pressure on a witness to “forget” about the 3rd man, and French MSM carefully avoided even mentioning Mrs Wolinski’s revelations.

https://blogs.mediapart.fr/jean63/blog/080216/mais-ou-est-donc-passe-le-3ieme-homme-celui-qui-ete-vu-lors-de-lattaque-charlie-hebdo

Charlie Hebdo’s director was cartoonist Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier). He spent the night before his execution with his girlfriend Valérie M., who recalled how excited he was because some mysterious ME investors had promised to rescue the magazine from bankrupt with private funding. But he was also worried because he’d noticed a car with smoked windows parked for hours in surveillance at his place.

Valerie M. recounted that just after Charb was killed, his flat was burgled but nothing was stolen except his laptop and paperwork. She deemed that his last activities and contacts might have been relevant to the attack, but the police was not interested and brushed everything under the rug.

On condition of anonymity, Valérie M. questions “Islamist terrorism” thesis in the January 7 [Charlie Hebdo] attack

https://www.nouvelobs.com/charlie-hebdo/20151019.OBS7864/l-etrange-theorie-de-valerie-m-derniere-compagne-de-charb.html

God forbid young Christians did something similar…off with their heads! Fortunately, Noahide hasn’t been fully instituted yet…

Actually, no religion ought to be doing this sort of thing. But Muslims are, and when the time comes, so will Talmudic Jews.

With God and Christ you have a choice. With Satan you don’t.

哪个科学实验证明上帝不存在？

Which scientific experiment proved that he does?

Separately, I’m assuming what Plywood means is that much has been explained in the last, say, 500 years via verifiable scientific methods. Things that people in long-ago eras thought were mystical or could only have been created by a superpower have been proven to be natural occurrences able to be explained, tracked and measured.

Because of all that, many don’t feel as much 需要 for a God.

以下是法国白人因亵渎 16 万神祇（包括爱泼斯坦和麦克斯韦）而惩罚的人：

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_Holocaust_deniers

I support them to be quite honest.

We need to get back that medevial religious zeal, that is truer to human nature than this liberal farce.

The cartoonists are all secular fucks anyway.

Thanks for the links, but the first link did not open probably because it was doomed to the memory hole.

One video that widely circulated but was later removed after Charlie Hebdo, was one of the terrorists shooting, with what looked like an Ak47 if my memory is right, an injured policeman in the head at almost zero point range. And surprise surprise, not a drop of blood came out of the head’s victim. Another roomer that swept many media sources was that a Rothschild had bought the magazine about a month before the incident as it was in a state of bankruptcy. The story could make sense since the incident caused the magazine to go back into financial solvency because of the ‘ je suis Charlie’ wave. Most probably the Kouachi brothers were nothing more than patsies in the whole affair just like the Chechen brothers in the Boston Marathon bombing. My first comment when the Charlie Hebdo happened wad that if the Kouachi brothers are brought alive to face justice in an open court, then I might start to believe the official narrative for the trend of dead terrorists was becoming prevalent.

BTW, the flagrant lacuna in the Nice terrorist incident was the photo of the truck riddled with bullets but without a drop of blood on it.

自从您提到1968年1968月的孩子以来，我发现它与上下文无关，但对于将19年动乱的领导人科恩·本迪特（Cohn Bendit）的话题带入主题是很有用的，他对迪迪埃·拉乌尔特教授（Didier Raoult）教授发现羟基氯喹可以有效治愈的新闻有何反应对于Covid XNUMX.这个男人确实感到愤慨不安，因为似乎Raoult博士的方法可能会扰乱全球化主义者的世界疫苗接种计划。 这是在法国知识分子中占上风的人的品牌。

这是真的，尽管有一些不必要的副作用，比如因亵渎而死亡、由无知的祭司统治、因小偷小摸而被砍掉双手、袋子里的女人、烦人而喧闹的清真寺、数以百万计的白痴向着什么方向跪拜。 、佩特拉或麦加每天五次等等。

有点像把婴儿和洗澡水一起倒掉，或者治疗比疾病更糟糕。

Indeed, Islam is based in many regards (aside from the worship of the god of Ibrahim, funnily enough). Conversely, my Aryan race might also carry the wretched name of the Race of Blasphemers.

Blasphemy is the religion of Jesus-worshippers! Blasphemy against Nature, and against Order and Beauty.

When I see a race that keeps fidelity towards their creed unto death – even the misguided warriors of Al-Qaeda- I am enraptured by veneration. But my brother in blood feels disgusted precisely by that! It is the lowly and the ugly who win over the hearts of Christian Aryans. A race of pathological traitors 我们是。

Hitler betrayed by the Anglos in 1939-45, Stalin’s body thrown away from the Mauseleum by Khrushchev in October 1961. Lukashenko stabbed in the back by the very people he had laboured so hard for the betterment of… I am in a futile search for a people that remains loyal.

Meine EhreheißtTreue – that is the creed of Juche Korea, not of the infidelious Aryans.

事实上，穆斯林的要求并不高。第一是：不要不尊重他们的先知。

他们太敏感了吗？他们反对言论自由吗？他们就不能开个玩笑吗？

只要问问法国喜剧演员迪厄多尼，当法国犹太人决定嘲笑国家支持的大屠杀崇拜时，他的反应如何就可以了。我们只能说他们没有看到有趣的一面！

*EMPIRICAL
剑桥词典
牛津词典
等等
like ‘then’ for ‘than’, ‘than’ for ‘then’, ‘it’s’ for ‘its’, ‘its’ for ‘it’s’.
Illiteracy.

Why high IQ whites let Low IQ in? Why the civilized HIQ whites have a need to invade, destroy their basic infrastructure, colonize their countries, humilate their people and loot and pillage those countries. Then so kind of you the HIQ let few of LIQ under disguise of “humanely gesture” in to serve the masters. So why you the need to feel the need to stoop to the level of LIQ. Why, under the guise of civilizing, human rights, and spread democracy, HIQ elite people have doing (repeating) this for millennia,even before islam? You even did it to the jews before Christianity, then to Christianity before Islam and now mainly to Islam. And to your surprise they (HIQ elites) doing it to everyone including you the HIQ, through false flag operations, through covid1….. n, through poverty, perpetual debt. So, why most of Science professors are from LIQ people? I Know why. But I wont tell you. I have to let you work for it. Hint, because your HIQ has been using the same function to destroy and loot got rusty and dull, grease your brain cells and use it. Use it fo figure out what they been doing to you and to others in your name. Be careful it is not the machinery grease and definitely not the grease floats on hot meal. I can’t be mean. The LIQ people are not dangerous to HIQ. The are maybe dangerous to elite HIQ. Because, they figured the game. They afraid the HIQ might catch on to LIQ. And they too figure out the game and stop being used.

And the atheists are madder because they take up a metaphysical position ‘God does not exist’, and make it out to be verifiable truth, and not just another faith.

But the metaphysical is ‘after’ physics, a priori stuff. Any position taken on it is demanding of faith and faith alone.

If you have no interest in God because the metaphysics is not directly verifiable, you hold a position from the frame of reference of the scientific method. Such people are as happy to talk about God (I say as an approximation), as they are about Newtonian mechanics. And they feel no need to offend anyone, as well as an opportunity to learn from cultures that have been aiming to perfect their ways of life for thousands of years (even if with some mistaken predicates)

If you stand opposed to God, you have faith. The atheists I know, to the last one, do this. And such people react to theistic faiths as those faiths tend to react amongst each other – ‘your belief is wrong, mine is right’.

Here’s your experiment: https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-07-probability-quantum-world-local-realism.amp

The quantum world does not obey local realism, or ‘objective reality’.

Your graphs are in French , this is an English web site!! Stupid or lazy, which is it?

“26% do not oppose the assassination of cartoonists mocking Mohammed”

That was a terrible thing that an office full of israeli propaganda war criminals was exterminated. What if it became a common thing, rather than a one-off op?

The hebdo caper was allowed to go through because the obvious anti-Muslim benefits of it could be massively exploited for israeli/zionazi-gay psywar benefit. At the same time it could be used to rejuvenate hebdo, who had faded into obscurity as a useful agit prop outfit, at that time. That hebdo is now an empty shell of what they had been is not important, the zio-media keeps them in the public eye and keeps this merde pile from its decomposition into its natural state.

But imagine all zionazi-gay media faced a similar threat by the population at large for their war crimes (promoting aggressive war is a war crime, just ask goebbels). What would it do to the zionazi-gay/corporate psywar industry? Can one see mark levin, hannity, limbaugh, maddow and all the other aspects of the zio-media, risking their necks to continue promoting the war crimes when it could likely result in their own lynching?

I’m sure the zio-media pool of talent available would diminish quite a bit, along with their effectiveness as a tool to manipulate people.

#72

Now and then I enjoy reading Bigotry of the lowest form. Probably from a Zio troll working to re-direct the conversation away from their full spectral domination of the Western and now Islamic world and working to re-stoke old fires of Christian and Muslim clash of civilizations promoted by super Zionist Samuel Huntington. .

It only works on those already committed to stupidity, racism and pretend religion (like the Fake White Nationalists who claim to be Christian) and not on the educated, informed or the properly religiously indoctrinated with Christian ethos and moral character.

I am not aware of what you are saying of Muslims or Christians for that matter force converting any one or chopping heads. We are aware of the ISIS / Daesh paid Zio mercenaries chopping heads and committing atrocious crimes, mostly against Muslims to further a third party agenda. We are also aware of Israeli IDF and Jewish settler fanatics target practicing on children in Gaza and West Bank, but that is ok, look away and move along. not our business.

在按照自由主义路线组织的现代社会中，不存在亵渎之类的事情。上帝如果存在的话就能保护自己。想一想：一个人必须先相信一位上帝，然后才能反对他，但如果一个人已经相信这位上帝，那么人们甚至不会想到以《查理周刊》的方式来描绘他。

作为一名基督徒，我发现穆斯林相信耶稣只是一位先知，这在客观上冒犯了我相信他就是上帝本身的信念。事实上，历史上的战争正是针对耶稣基督存在的本质而发生的。我是否有权声称穆斯林通过他们的《古兰经》亵渎了耶稣基督的神性？穆斯林会接受这个指控吗？难道他们不会反驳说，实际上基督徒将一个普通人提升到上帝的地位，就亵渎了造物主的威严吗？

Therefore in order to blaspheme in a spiritual sense one has to believe in the entity being blasphemed. Otherwise one might as well have blasphemy against the wind or the Earth, or anything that catches one’s fancy.

《周刊》的所作所为本质上是造成不必要的冒犯，理应受到制裁，但所谓的亵渎罪在任何现代社会都不会存在。这是一种违背社区信仰的犯罪行为，一种公共犯罪，但我们其他人不需要关心。

当然，另一件事是，众所周知，具有某种倾向的穆斯林意图玷污和摧毁基督教的所有古迹。这种活动很难让他们受到天主教传统主义者的喜爱。关闭但没有雪茄。

I think there is a rationale for making blasphemy illegal. But it is not a religious reason.

Blasphemy has a very strong tendency to precipitate extreme violence. In a perfect world, we would all be completely free to say whatever we like – and everyone would accept the speech of others without reacting disproportionately.

But it’s a very imperfect world, and simple civility dictates that one does not mock or question someone else’s religious beliefs. (Unless in a mutually agreeable debate, formal or informal, where everyone consents not to take offence and to avoid deliberately stirring up offence).

We are surrounded by evidence that simple civility is in very short supply indeed – many people seem to feel that it is disgraceful in itself.

Thus it may be necessary to forbid blasphemy and similar provocations by law, and provide adequate sanctions.

‘Moving parts in rubbing contact require lubrication to avoid excessive wear. Honorifics and formal politeness provide the lubrication where people rub together. Often the very young, the untraveled, the naive, the unsophisticated deplore these formalities as “empty,” “meaningless,” or “dishonest,” and scorn to use them. No matter how “pure” their motives, they thereby throw sand into machinery that does not work too well at best’.

–罗伯特·海因莱因

Apropos the jailing of the mayor of Jakarta, Ah Hok as he is popularly known, his crime was to say during the mayorial elections that there was nothing in the Koran that forbids Muslims from voting for non-Muslims. That apparently innocuous statement counted as blasphemy among the Indonesians – a supposedly more tolerant lot of Muslims. In spite of all the taqqiya from the Muslims one should be aware of what the fate of any minority in Muslim lands amounts to from his example among countless others.

An interesting aside is that he is named Purnama. (Which means New Moon). Many would from this wax eloquent about how wonderfully syncretic Indonesia is; how it incorporated the old Hindu culture into the present day and the like. The truth though is more sinister . The Chinese minority desperately adopted, the old Sanskrit sounding names such as Dewi, Gunawan or Kurniawan in order to hide from the fury of the anti-Communist forces under Suharto, in the aftermath of the overthrow of Sukarno. All Chinese were conveniently identified as Communists directed from China in order to defenestrate them.

In the thread below, one can get an idea of the tolerance that many Muslims are overflowing with when they are in the majority.

https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/ah-hok-sentenced-to-2-years-jail-for-blasphemy.243426/

Vigilantism is the result of a gov’t that doesn’t give a shit about the people and is the final recourse to settle issues.

You are correct in that it isn’t a good sign, but it is necessary when all else fails.

You have to live in a Muslim country to experience their tolerance. i’d take may chances in Talmudistan any day over Pakistan or any number of Islamic countries.

“Bernard-Henri Lévy and secularist establishment are celebrating this brave expression of free speech as a triumph of the Values of the Republic.”

Vous plaisantez j’espère!

People have literally been arrested in France by the Jewish champions of free speech for wearing a t-shirt with “Free Palestine” on it. Free speech in France means anti-Muslim, anti-Christian, anti-White. Anything anti-Jewish equals prison time.

Lévy’s “Values of the Republic” means one nation under Jewish tyranny. Same old merde.

我确实同意，由于伊斯兰教在欧洲的兴起，对欧洲人民如此腐蚀的自由主义价值观将被终结，这对欧洲民族主义者来说是一件好事，因为它将给我们一个机会之窗，但我不同意欧洲人应该积极支持他们[穆斯林]。

教堂被严重焚烧

到底是谁在焚烧这些教堂？西方伊斯兰教的托儿经常试图强调基督教和伊斯兰教之间的相似性，这是将两者联合起来反对无神论和普世主义腐败力量的一种方式，但非欧洲人是否也这么认为呢？为什么基督徒应该支持一群顶多是居高临下、顶多是完全敌视的人呢？

Islam and it’s history is very interesting, but it is quite disgusting how Islamophiles like you will go as far as to root for racial aliens in the homeland of Europeans, aliens who have a racial hatred for our people. I can almost certainly bet you think that the hatred of Muslims by Europeans is entirely due to Zionist propaganda and not also experience living with them, such people are as harmful as the Jewish anti-White ideologues in my view. Both want the racial destruction of Europeans.

170.噢，人类！ 信使是真主从真主那里来找你的：相信他：对你来说是最好的。 但是，如果你们拒绝信仰，那么天上地下的万物都归真主所有：真主是全知的，是明智的。
171.哦，这本书的人！ 在您的宗教信仰上不要过分：除了真相，别无其他安拉。 玛丽的儿子基督耶稣（仅是）是安拉的使者，他的话语是他赐给玛丽的，也是从他而来的一种精神：因此，请相信安拉和他的使者。 不要说“三位一体”：停止：对您会更好：因为真主是一位真主：荣耀归于他：（他被高举了）高于生子。 天上地下的万物都归于他。 阿拉作为事务处理者已经足够了。
（古兰经4：170-171）

Religion is resurgent even in the secular West.

That’s because people are getting more stupid over time due to the state taking care of them and they therefore no longer need to think, just emote.

America was always meant to be a sort of outpost for North-West European civilisations, we see this with figures like Madison Grant who vehemently opposed the Nordic character of America being destroyed by the waves of migrations from Southern and Eastern Europe during the late 19th century. In any case, America was intended to be a White nation as shown by the first naturalisation law, the Naturalization Act of 1790.

有 Hispanics may assimilate into American society better, but most will not, I have seen numerous videos and photos of American Hispanics waving Mexico flags, very similar to how Pakistanis and Jamaicans (to give but two examples) wave the flags of their homeland in the UK. Biological similarity has always been the limiting factor in assimilation, America is set to become a very incoherent and disunited country on the coming decades, at it becomes a potpourri of radically different cultures and peoples.

Culture is a way a people speaks to itself about its past, present and future. Culture is downstream from ethnicity and ancestry, as it stems from shared memory. This is why when you mix together different groups, the national conversation becomes very schizophrenic and high temperature.

After all, was Churchill a good guy or a bad guy? Brits will tell you he was good and that he should he commemorated (I disagree for reasons unrelated to Churchill’s racialism, but rather his philosemitism) while Subcontinental and Africans see him as a villain, the same is going on in America with the statues of Europeans going down. I think foreign states will exploit this disunity very well in the future, although sometimes it seems domestic media seems to be doing their work for them!

I’ll end this comment with a very good quote by Charles De Gaulle about immigration and assimilation, I think this applies equally as well to America.

有黄色的法语，黑色的法语，棕色的法语非常好。 他们表明法国对所有种族开放，并且具有普遍的职业。 但是[很好]，前提是他们仍然是少数。 否则，法国将不再是法国。 我们仍然主要是白人，欧洲和拉丁文化以及基督教的欧洲人。

不要告诉我故事！ 穆斯林，你去看过他们吗？ 您看过他们的头巾和jellabiyas吗？ 您可以看到它们不是法语！ 那些倡导融合的人有蜂鸟的大脑。 尝试将油和醋混合。 摇动瓶子。 一秒钟后，他们将再次分开。

阿拉伯人是阿拉伯人，法国人是法国人。 您是否认为法国政体可以吸收XNUMX万名穆斯林，明天XNUMX岁以后，明天的穆斯林人数将是XNUMX千万？ 如果我们融合，如果阿尔及利亚的所有阿拉伯人和柏柏尔人都被认为是法国人，您会阻止他们在生活水平高得多的法国定居吗？ 我的村庄将不再被称为“两个教堂的哥伦比”，而被称为“两个清真寺的哥伦比”。

100％ UNZ.com articles are agitprop.

What’s really depressing is the number of commenters that appear to believe in the nonsense of some sky god for which there is absolutely no proof.

In the modern age, where science delivers more and more benefits that are tangible, to believe in some ancient stupidstition is beyond my comprehension. The Europeans should eject all Muslims from their society, as should the US and any civilized country. There are enough ignorant Christians and Jews to deal with already.

有什么意义呢？ 邀请一群石油成为我们的水有什么意义呢？ 例如，如果这些人设定的非正统价值被高智商或令人印象深刻的职业道德所抵消，那将是有条不紊的计算。 显然，尽管存在上述缺陷，但较高的税收收入也不是不能一miss而就的。 但是不存在这样的节省宽限期，所以我再问一次有什么意义？ 亲密感可以覆盖整个由60万人口组成的民族国家，这已经是一项了不起的壮举。 我不明白为什么有人会对此进行测试。 相反，人们应该意识到它的奇迹性，并尽一切可能去培养它。 导入具有遗传和文化差异的人对此无能为力。 作为一个年轻人，我真的为这个专利的目标感到困惑。

同样，我国的首都是黑人的10％。 您说的没什么大不了的，有些美国城市超出了这个水平。 但这很重要，因为那10％的人犯下了街头犯罪，刀子犯罪，抢劫等重大罪行。 我是否应该相信这是由贫穷引起的，而贫穷又是由“系统种族主义”引起的（无论如何）？ 即使我同意所谓的系统种族主义，老实说，我也看不到“贫困”（顺便说一句，定义很宽泛）与犯罪之间的因果关系，而是存在诸如智商，尽责性，和agree可亲性等中介因素。如果您不相信，请想象一下该行为中的罪犯。 他看起来打败了吗？ 他是否纯粹出于养活自己或家人的罪行而犯罪？ 不，如果您像我，您可能已经想象过一种自欺欺人的，c肿的***。 我们都知道上述特征的人口差异是什么。

与个人互动时，除了可能假设有关他们的文化的细节外，按类别进行判断没有什么意义。 在这方面，直觉要好得多且准确得多。 但是，在一个人进口大批个人之前，应该先通过人口手段对其进行判断。 甚至在WEB du Bois时代，黑人仍占美国人口的4％，但仍构成犯罪的22％。 与我的城市巧合的并行性是什么？ 我觉得不是。 如果您将小组留在自己的设备上，就会发生这种情况。 当有机会自由且不受歧视时，生物学就会发光，就像瑞典在CompSci或Nursing等领域在性别代表性上不断扩大的鸿沟中所看到的那样。 不，黑人犯罪的社会学常数=白色犯罪*（5至10）只能通过严厉的法律或前者的混血化来停止。

因此，将所有事物联系在一起，我敦促民族国家在大规模导入群体之前寻找群体表现如何的证据。 是的，你有更多的多样性，yippee！ 但是，在一种情况下，您还会得到猖homo的恐同症和恐怖主义，而在另一种情况下，犯罪会毫不费力地加倍。 真的值得吗？ 如果您想在城市中吸引更多人，也许是鼓励从农村移民？

只需考虑受到伤害的每个人都不会受到伤害，人们将不必支付的税费，人们已经感觉到的雾化。 这种移民造成了很大的伤害，不要误会。

Everybody has been conned by the politicians and the Owners of each and every government , including too many sleazy religious leaders. . Why would a decent country of nationist people that love their country – want to dilute it with morons that would not assimilate? It is, and always will be suicide , as long as you let the corrupt Gov. bend over the normal decent citizens. The Game is over for the once – wonderful selection of individual countries, called – Europa.

The entire West seems to lack the will to defend its culture and posterity, almost as if it were poisoned.

Because of all that, many don’t feel as much need for a God.

Oh please, give us a break with atheists’ delusions about their alleged intellectual superiority over believers.

Nothing new has been brought to the debate ever since 17th Century mathematician Blaise Pascal’s made his bet on the existence of God: it can neither be proved, nor disproved by rational argumentation.

People believe in God for a range of reasons: socio-cultural, sensitivity, need for a transcendance ideal, or to give a sense to our short and elusive life. Lack of education is not really one of them.

Considering that believers are particularly “needy” is yet another Western delusion.
Just think about the million of Westerners who “believe” that their governments work for them, LOL. Or to the millions who turn to various addictions to match the gap between their expectations and their real life. Or to the hundreds of millions who bet and play the lottery “believing” they will win some day.
Or even worse, to the many who believe in “alternative” channels with supra-natural forces. Long after he died, I was flabbergasted to learn that “secular” French President Francois Mitterand had been seeing an astrologist once a week to help make his political decisions. Can you imagine how serious this is? His brain with the charlatan and his hand on the nuclear switch?

At least believers have a transparent philosophical, ethical and moral body of concepts to help them walk through life, instead of decomposing within the sad mess the West has become.

In my view, Europeans should revere their blood and their history. The history and achievements of Europeans can quite comfortably be described as biblical in themselves. Moses may have allegedly parted the Red Sea, but the Europeans have walked on the moon itself.

Europeans should realise their genetic inheritance is their most important asset, they themselves are just one genetic link in a long chain of people spanning back millennia, and should they throw away this inheritance, the future will be very bleak for their offspring, and for the world.

Christianity itself was only great and achieved its prestige because Europeans adhered to it, it was European genetics and culture which itself was shaped by the European environment which created structures like the Notre Dame and St. Peters Basilica, as well as Hagia Sophia which is currently under Saracen occupation.

This law of blood holds true for Islam as well, would Islam have achieved its prestige without the likes of the Arabs, Persians and Turko-Mongols? Would sub-Saharan African and Subcontinental Muslims have managed to create great Islamic art and architecture (keeping in mind that the Taj Mahal was designed by Persians)

Absolutely Agree: “The Europeans should eject all Muslims from their society, as should the US and any civilized country.”

If you get rid of God, the State becomes God. islam is the worst; when and where it dominates it becomes both.

I’ll say it again. If ever there is a deadly malaise stalking the earth it is the inability to THINK.

1. These Muslims and other ungrateful immigrants flee their shit hole countries for a better life.
-One aspect of this is the fact that if Islam is such a great religion, why oh why is your country a dump ? and
-Why on earth do you want to come to a Christian country ?

Once in the new country of your dreams, why not take advantage of the opportunities offered you. It wont be easy but those opportunities must exist or you would not have risked your life in a leaky boat to get there. Work hard, keep a low profile, save and build something for yourself !

Why do you want to create a shit house similar to the one you left behind ?

They would not dare protest in their own countries but they do it here because we are “democratic and respect human rights”. From their perspective we are weak and so they abuse their privileges and take advantage of our goodness.

2. On the other side of the coin, the politicians let these people in, and then are confronted with another set of problems which they dont need and which the righteous citizens of said country also dont need.

One would think the do goody politicians would say “look, enough is enough, First no more immigrants. Second all immigrants in jail are to be immediately expelled. Third, those who dont like it can leave. Fourth those who make trouble will be expelled. Fifth, dont bother to come here in a boat because there are no social benefits and you will be immediately deported.

Instead, both parties, do everything contrary to what is prudent action.

It seems they revel in stupidity as if they wished to show their skills at being idiots.

All these Muslim shit birds protesting for this and that should be rounded up, herded onto a ship and dumped on the North African coast. Problem or rather problems solved !

在法国，言论自由因对大屠杀的任何质疑而停止，穆斯林妇女没有权利随意穿着。

伯纳德-亨利·莱维是一位彻底的犹太复国主义者，他全力支持轰炸利比亚。

As many in the west ditch tradition (of politeness, decency, faith, and rejection of lgbtqi, etc.), I hope they know what they are going to replace it with. Some traditions may, indeed, need to be reexamined/modified, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Islam is the only religion, aside from Christianity, that reveres Christ and his mother.

Oh, I remember this event. This is the one where all the (((world leaders))) locked arms in solidarity and marched for (((free speech))) aka speech that Jews don’t object to for Whitey. Of course we all saw Baby Nut&Yahoo and Angela Merkel front and center. Try to control your laughter on that one, pilgrim. A Jewish Supremacist war criminal and a former (((commie))) who is doing her best to flood Germany with Black and Brown Muslims while imprisoning anyone who even questions the WWII narrative.

Okay back to the program. I don’t support anyone disrespecting and spitting on anyone’s religion regardless of whether I agree with it or not, HOWEVER, France and all of Europe should be for Whites ONLY, and by Whites, I don’t mean Arabs, Jews, or Turks. Yeah, I know that Turkey is part of the EU and that it is a transcontinental nation like Russia, but in my book, the Turks are NOT White and the Russkies are, so that answers that one. And besides Russia had the balls to declare itself a Christian nation, while France is still waiting for its balls to drop for over a century now. That being said, all Brown and Black Muslims should GET THE HELL OUT OF FRANCE AND EUROPE AND GO BACK HOME. Should Mohammad be respected by Christians and Whitey? Yes. Should Jesus be respected by Muslims? Yes. We all know that Jews aren’t about to respect anyone’s religion but theirs so why bother with that question. Do I believe in Mohammad? No, but then again, there are times where I question the existence of any God that would allow evil to rule the world the way it rules the world we live in.

Should someone be punished with jail or prison for blasphemy? NO. Should people have good taste and respect for others religions and not resort to Jewy behavior of demeaning other peoples religious figures and symbols? YES. That being said, we can all support free speech but discourage bad taste by not publishing it but of course we certainly don’t want to imprison or fine free speech the way it is carried out when it comes to questioning “the holocaust” or Jewish power and influence. One should be given the same rights to boycott Israel for their racism and war crimes the way they boycotted apartheid South Africa in the 1980s. Nonwhites, particularly nonwhite and non Christians should not be in Europe in the first place. At least Whites are the ones who built America, while nonwhites flooding into Europe are literally and figuratively raping the continent and European culture.

穆斯林站在法国和西方其他国家恢复理智传统价值观运动的最前沿

Because nothing screams sanity like hacking off your daughter’s clitoris, beating her to death because she impugned the male family “honor” by texting a boy or killing people over cartoons.

你写这篇文章时戴着螺旋桨无檐小便帽吗？

在伊斯兰教中，没有要求穿所谓的“Burka”，西方狭隘的人会嘲笑这种说法。总是嘲笑弱者和穷人。
这个词是“Hijab”，指的是穆斯林妇女要像犹太教和基督教信仰的妇女一样遮住自己的头/头发。现在，狂热的宗教毛拉和其他宗教的宗教狂热分子一样已经达到了极端疯狂的地步，并颁布了罩袍或其他什么东西。请注意，这是由穆斯林男性完成的
看看你们友好的石油资源丰富的王国，并比较印度尼西亚、马来西亚、中国、俄罗斯、巴基斯坦、印度、伊朗、哈萨克斯坦、乌兹别克斯坦、波斯尼亚等人口最多的穆斯林国家中妇女的角色和待遇。在雅加达，我和一位女司机（穆斯林）一起乘坐出租车，她正在听鲍勃·马利（Bob Marley）并押韵。
在开始分享之前，您需要花一些时间了解该主题。

“知识就是责任，无知就是犯罪”托马斯·潘恩。

现在，穆斯林妇女在法国、英国或荷兰的民主“灯塔”中享受着自由——双重标准。一方面，希波克拉底国家声称自己是民主和世俗的（个人权利的保护者等等），但当某些人利用这种虚假公关，例如穿布卡或进行宗教活动（甚至有时令人讨厌）时，他们就被被嘲笑和边缘化。为什么这些政府不彻底禁止罩袍或其他烦人的活动呢？我没有看到任何问题。但这些政府既想鱼与熊掌兼得。
看看保加利亚的索非亚，规定早上和晚上清真寺里不能有祈祷声。没有任何人大惊小怪。穆斯林、基督徒、犹太人或任何人。规则就是规则。时期。
我们不要因为人们的信仰、种族或语言而憎恨他们。

The state already is god.

The vast bulk of the population adores the state as their savior. They can’t imagine living without its constant predation and deceit, just like their sky god. God works in mysterious ways, just like the state. The fools in church are the same ones that run to the voting booth to anoint their next god.

More implausible than the tenets of any religion is the idea that any featherless biped can be a Frenchman just by being born within the country’s borders.

thanks, Anon , but I just read the translated Koranic verses you posted
and can say (1) you cannot interject paraphrases (XXXX) these are your interpretations, this is not the Scofield Koran. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah

(2) I found it very positive overall on Christians and Jews, nothing like the Talmud which throws Jesus to the sewer. Or the Catholic teachings and denunciation of Muslims as heathens destined for the fire because they have not accepted Jesus as a Divine Savior. Of course there are going to be major differences in theological outlook and histories, otherwise Islam would be Christianity.

I come to understand that the historical holy biblical characters shared between the 3 religions that neither, that is none of: Moses, Jesus, Mary or Mohammed, etc. are divine in Islamic theology but only persons carrying divine word??

By the way Christian Arabs use the term Allah as well, it is not exclusive to Muslims, but just means God, and this has been confirmed to me by many 1st hand sources, so denigrating the word 阿拉 just demonstrates your cheap trash talk.

Someone more versed and less bigoted is welcome to correct me here if needed.

Bigots, racist retards and Zio-Trolls best excuse themselves. There are plenty of such commenting on this, displaying their true low level of persona and character.

Somehow, I imagine that what you say means little or nothing to anyone. You write as if you believe yourself omniscient, but no one is. By the way, it’s “empirical”, not “imperical”, you pompous ass. Learn some humility before you start spouting off.

取笑弱者和穷人并逃脱惩罚是很容易的。
或者，如果您属于同一个社区，您就可以自由发言。

Muslims, much like Jews, are still hostile to Christianity. This trick of emphasising the shared Abrahamic roots of both Islam and Christianity is merely to pacify worried Christians, in the end demographics is destiny.

These Muslims respect Christianity so much that they regularly burn down ancient cathedrals in France, unless of course the hatred is not merely religious, but also racial?

I am not totally familiar with the French history in Algeria, but I do know the French did not treat the Algerians well, especially in the later years of the occupation. And yet some think it is a good idea to allow these people into France en masse, many of whom will no doubt have an axe to grind due to historical ills and more relevantly current support of Zionism?

Supposing France was still homogenous, all the Charlie Hebdo provocations would have resulted in would be some riots in places like Egypt or Pakistan in which maybe a few of them would die due to a stampede or police firing. They certainly wouldn’t result in wide divisions within France itself.

With each passing year, the vipers den grows in size. With each passing year the potential agony Europe will have to grow through to rid itself of this nest grows exponentially.

The philosopher Voltaire once wrote famously, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to mock with cartoons.”

Hebdo? Hebdo.

Wasn’t that a Yid provocation followed
by an Israeli false flag against Muslims?

Certain it was.

France is near-dead because of secularist tools like Macron
and extremist manipulators like the Yid, Bernard H. Levy.

This is ridiculous why shouldn’t we be able to say **** the trinity? Why do we need to police ourselves just to appease your sensitivity? Lord knows Muslims don’t give a crap about other peoples sensitivities just ask the Christians, Zoroastrians, and Jews that live in Iran. These people don’t believe in Islam yet they are forced to live according to Islamic law, why on earth should a christian or jew be forced to conform to a religion they don’t believe in? Why should Christians or Jews or Zoroastrians or atheists for that matter have to wear the hijab in Iran? Why cant Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians or Atheists be allowed to criticize the prophet and his actions? If the prophet was alive today he would be in jail for some of the things he did. Why aren’t we allowed to poke fun at an obviously outmoded and outdated religious belief that espouses all sorts of nonsense that we no longer believe in? There should be absolutely NO limitations on free speech. If you don’t like blasphemy then vote with your wallet, simply don’t financially support them. That’s how mature people in mature nations deal with things they don’t like, they don’t commit terrorism or impose draconian laws they simply ignore them.

Don’t be silly. Blasphemy works only if the blasphemer believes in the object that he is blaspheming. If he does not believe it, he could be doing any number of things; offending community sensibilities, making a total nuisance of himself and such like, but he cannot blaspheme something he does not believe in. Therefore blasphemy is a matter between him and the entity he supposedly blasphemes. If that entity exists, it up to that entity to determine the consequences. But if the sky fairy does not exist then he was railing against an imaginary being, which is I suppose his right.

I am well aware that in the history of Christianity there were many who were put to death for the crime of blasphemy, but invariably in those societies, it was an offence against the community. The community asserted its right to do away with that individual who had clearly undermined its foundations.

But in a modern society, there is no such commonly held set of beliefs. Anywhere upto fifty percent of the population in some countries do not believe in a god. Therefore the penal sanctions against it for the good of the community makes no sense.

You were Graham Greene, smiling and nodding at what you perceived as a benign exotic culture with hot tea and wonderful baklava.

The idea that Christians would not be persecuted if they opened a church in say- the working class suburbs of Istanbul is laughable- and reckless to advance. If you avoided a beat down and your church being torched, you would be aggressively ignored at the bread shop, the grocery, on the street for all your days there. Erdogan’s street thugs would watch your every movement.

I am speaking of Turkey and Indonesia, where I have spent the most time, actually living with a Muslim family in their home. (Tolerant Bali is excluded).

The first order of business if you want to marry a Muslim is for you to convert. This is not optional, and groups of 20-30 family members will scream, harass, cry, proselytize and THREATEN you until you relent or you break up with their family member.

The pretend Muslim Barrett has never lived in a hard core Muslim country.It’s fun to play the provocative Islamist in the confines of Western country.

You are not subject to the real life experiences of Islam: your reading material inspected , no art in the home, overnight guests interrogated , diet (How would Barrett survive Ramadan?), clothing and haircut mandates, beard restrictions (all applicable to males) and your very speech are policed by knuckle dragging clerics with food in their beards.

These clerics’ theological acumen amounts to rocking back and forth like a schizophrenic, reciting the Quran in Arabic by rote- and most do not speak Arabic. These fools have no idea what they are reciting.

What you don’t understand, on a visceral level- is the smiling nodding Muslims saw you as an infidel- lost, doomed and dumb. They did not bother you because you are beneath their interest or contempt.

These same Muslims lash out as murderous thugs when their host country- who houses, feeds and cares for them cradle to grave— does not conform to their medieval mandates that even dictate how you clean out your nose before you pray.

Because nothing screams sanity like hacking off your daughter’s clitoris, beating her to death because she impugned the male family “honor” by texting a boy or killing people over cartoons.

What’s more important than honor?

In many cultures, throughout time, lose honor, kill self.

Muslims do right when they attack provocateurs.
Christians need to start knocking the other’s cheek/jaw.

The many anti Islam cartoons are Yid provocations and Yid false flags.

You use clitorectomy as Yid uses blasphemous cartooons – an attack:

抽象

Female genital mutilation (FGM) is a practice involving the removal of all or parts of the female external genitalia. It has been documented in 28 African countries and in some countries in Asia and the Middle East, but due to increasing immigration from these countries to the western world, FGM has become a worldwide human rights and health issue. Contrary to the belief that it is a practice carried out by Muslims only, it is also practiced by Christians and a minority group of Ethiopian Jews. However, FGM is neither mentioned in the Torah, nor in the Gospels, and – like in Islam – bodily mutilation is condemned by both religions. In fact, FGM is a mix of mainly cultural and social factors which may put tremendous pressure on the members of the society in question.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1110570413000258

Here is a good site for Muslims who want to move to America and become part of our culture, integrate, we don’t ask for much and they’ll find they are a lot less angry when wearing this new style, it comes with a book too.

http://www.amishclothesline.com/category/uncategorized/

The Algerians when they had the chance kicked out every Frenchman they could find. The French in Algeria had roots going back a few generations and many were attached to that country with great sentiment. But according to the Muslims it is both right and proper that Algerians be able to cleanse Algeria of the French, while at the same time maintain their ghettos in France.

Let’s not pretend- Islam is a pest.

https://www.takimag.com/article/nazis_vs_muslims_who_hateth_the_most_david_cole/

纳粹与穆斯林：谁最讨厌？

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Professor Peter Merkl’s landmark study “Political Violence Under the Swastika: 581 Early Nazis” (Princeton University Press, 1975) used contemporaneous biographical studies and personal documents to profile five hundred and eighty-one early, founding members of the Nazi Party (the hardcore Nazis who shaped the party and brought it to power). Merkl provided statistical analysis of the founding Nazis” political, societal, and religious views: 33.3% of these Nazi Party members showed no interest in anti-Semitism. 14.3% expressed “mild verbal cliches” regarding Jews. 19.1% displayed “moderate” disdain for Jewish cultural influence in Germany. But only 12.9% advocated “violent countermeasures” against Jews.

If you take Merkl’s findings and measure them against the Pew survey results, you’re left with a truly startling conclusion: 在当今世界，以捍卫伊斯兰教的名义支持暴力的穆斯林人数比支持对犹太人的暴力行为的纳粹党的创始成员还要多。

The average Rahman-in-the-street is more likely, today, to think you should die for being an infidel than the average veteran Nazi Party member, back in the “30s, was likely to think a Jew should die for being a Jew. That’s stunning, and very, very ominous.

If the cartoonists also mock Christianity and Judaism, I would 100% stand with them.

But since they only only seen to mock 2 out of 3, I agree with the Muslims.

They all should die. Because they are just tools. And have no respect. I am an atheist, but I don’t mock another’s strongly held beliefs to the degree of those cartoonists.

作为一名右翼分子，我对世俗的个人电脑欧洲毫无同情心。至少穆斯林会反击，不像白人基督徒。我期待看到女权主义多元化培训师被迫穿上罩袍。真的，这会让我很开心。

I agree, it is undeniable that we in the West are facing an ageing population, which will cause high dependency ratios and problems in the future. The best way to overcome this would be to use guest workers as a sort of short term fix.

This would also be beneficial to the countries where these people came from, as they could experience “how we do things” and their children could also gain educational as well as skills training, after which they could return to their home countries and build them up better and stronger using their knowledge.

Alas, what is actually happening is we give permanent residency to these people and merely delay the inevitable, the inevitable being the demographic slump, nobody ever asks what will happen when the entire world faces an ageing population, will we have to get guestworkers from Mars and Venus?

Germany was actually pressured by America to forge an agreement with Turkey in relation to a guest worker programme. This was done because America wanted to create strong ties with Turkey during the Cold War, and so they could station their missiles there, this came at the cost of pressuring a fellow European country into accepting the beginnings of its demographic demise, a price worth paying for apparently. And as we know know, these guest workers never left, and many are now acting as a sort of fifth column for Erdogan.

Enoch Powell, who made that famous “Rivers of Blood” speech in 1968, actually was very active in recruiting health workers from the Indian subcontinent to work in the NHS, even in his speech which is now denounced by the liberal elite as “evil”, he was not advocating for some pure White Britain which foreigners would not be allowed to settle or enter into for employment, he said:

I stress the words “for settlement.” This has nothing to do with the entry of Commonwealth
citizens, any more than of aliens, into this country, for the purposes of study or of improving
their qualifications, like (for instance) the Commonwealth doctors who, to the advantage of their
own countries, have enabled our hospital service to be expanded faster than would otherwise
have been possible. They are not, and never have been, immigrants.

I also believe in addition to the economic arguments, there are purely ideological people who simply want Europeans to become a minority for nefarious reason, a lot of the time due to a desire for revenge for past wrong-doing and White guilt, a lot of immigrants and their descendants are also very racially conscious and due to our foolishness in giving them political franchise, now form lobbies to advance their own groups ethnic interests at the expense of the Europeans.

I personally see a greater push for regionalism here in the UK, as it slowly becomes clearer that the likes of London and Birmingham do not represent the future aspirations of people of ethnically British areas elsewhere.

It’s all very sad, I see an immense rise in racial hatred due to this multicultural, multiracial experiment, perhaps this was also part of the Capitalist agenda to keep people divided and refrain from engaging in class struggle.

Your reasoning is exactly why I have always believed that all these different people living together can only be held together through brute force. You lose your lack of choice and freedom. It creates anger and hostility within the people. Multiculturalism, is a disaster. How far can Jesus’ people go to escape where others cannot follow? There is no where left on the earth to live in peace and freedom and it’s exactly because all these people do not belong together. God put us in separate places and mixed the languages, so now almost everyone has gone against God in some form, no? Are they blaspheming against God or a prophet. How can Muslims be free to enjoy their religion when they move into Christian areas to destroy their religion and people? How can Jews be free to enjoy whatever it is they believe if they can’t or won’t go to their own land with their own people who think and act just like they do. One group of people will always try to take over the other. For all the talk of modernity that is thrown around people haven’t changed (evolved) at all, we’re exactly what we have always been.

在科学中，举证责任在于声称某物存在的一方。某些东西不存在永远不需要证明。这是默认假设。在有人证明事实并非如此之前，它就存在了。

这是科学思想与宗教思想之间的深渊。他们不使用相同的基本逻辑集。因此，一百次中有九十九次没有任何有意义的辩论的基础。

Wow, not even to the 200th post and Godwin’s Law comes marching in…

在人们开始指责穆斯林世界的暴力倾向之前，他们确实应该照照镜子。

他们应该看看盖洛普大约 7 至 8 年前所做的关于不同社会对暴力的看法的调查：
https://news.gallup.com/poll/157067/views-violence.aspx

他们被问到非常具体的问题，例如接受度 瞄准并杀死平民 （由国家行为者）：

由非国家行为者：

I don’t find any difference in the moral implications of whether a state or non-state actor intentionally targets and kills civilians, but it seems the people who have a disproportionate amount of planes and killing hardware do…how convenient.

按国家/地区详细分类位于“更多”标签下方……（谁能猜出哪两个国家最适合国家行为者接受）？

和平：

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And yeah, re history:

https://www.islam-watch.org/Stunich/Islam-Caused-Islamic-World-Decline.htm

伊斯兰教导致伊斯兰世界的衰落

It’s all very sad, I see an immense rise in racial hatred due to this multicultural, multiracial experiment, perhaps this was also part of the Capitalist agenda to keep people divided and refrain from engaging in class struggle.

It is sad and this may well be the case. The case Enoch Powell made seems to make sense.

I think something else is amiss; and it seems to be a fundamental systemic issue. Someone stated above:
“The entire West seems to lack the will to defend its culture and posterity, almost as if it were poisoned.”

What I find astounding is how many of the major European philosophers/theorists whose writings basically built the modern world, had no family or children. Dig into it yourself; name them off and see how many of them fit this pattern; Locke, Hobbes, Voltaire immediately come to mind.

Our current era (at least that built by the West) is highly influenced by the abstract ideas of men that had no capability or interest in raising a family. The were not patriarchs and seemed to have no experience or interest in preserving any sort of lineage. They had no skin in the game in they world they were giving ideological birth to. Can a man who has no interest in family (or sees it as an afterthought) be depended upon to usher in a world that is optimized for the creation and maintenance of families? Or do families simply have to do their best to adapt themselves to fit into this new world?

我们应该为西方的父权制正在瓦解（如果没有瓦解）而感到震惊（这些抽象思想/理论的第一批实践者），或者家庭制度不再与血统联系在一起，或者人口处于绝境吗？

和平：

Has Charlie Hebdo ever published a cartoon of a stereotypical jew? Or an offensive caricature of Yahweh? I wonder what would be the reaction of the mainstream press or the Jewish population if this were to happen. But no worries mate. This will never happen.

How can I hurt somebody who hurts my sentiment, belittle my belief, and ridicules my way of life? Well lets legislate and give it a name –Sharia . Get it passed by the Duma, Parliament, Senate and Congress . May be a board can be created to monitor it – call it the Department for the Protection of the Sublime .

Can Sharia board get special privilege accorded to CRIF ( French AIPAC) and to LICRA ( the forerunner of US dept of vigilance against anti Semitism ) .Sure . Give legally and illegally lot of Euro ,flood the airwave and let the politician smell the money .

Hey how do I protect my loot, land, and protect the freehand to loot more and gain more land ? How do I prohibit any discussion on my past theft ? How I do I hide my presence in the wars around me ?How do I make sure that I could get war going ? How do I ensure that I am viewed the way the angle is ? How do I get the same respect the gods of the Christian Muslim Buddhist and Mormons get ?
Well it’s already done.

Manuel Valls, who called the Shoah the “sanctuary that cannot be profaned”. But you can profane anything else as long as …. you catch the drift.

Manuel Valls told Dieudonné M’Bala’s humorous gesture is antisemtic . Rabbi Rav Haim Dynovisz called him living gorilla and an editor called him a filthy beast . Yes an editor ! Now he is deaf and blind rendered by chorus of freedom of speech and by the cartoon ?

Eliminating him was suggested . ( don’t call it terrorism ) Gayssot law  is passed years ago – you can’t not revere Shoah without going to jail.

Even 17yrs old have been banned from school for good because they saluted Nazi salute in reverse . JSSNews ( France-Israeli ) investigated those making quenelle sign so they can get them fired from their jobs. Emmanuel Macron asserted that anti-Semites “are not worthy of the Republic,” but we guess anti -Restism is worthy . ?? Anti Restism . Thats the way non -Jews could describe themselves . That’s it .

Macron started a new journey on behalf of the enlightened asserrting “anti-Zionism is one of the modern forms of anti-Semitism.” Who needs to kill anybody ? François Holland said his government must find a way to ban performances by the comedian Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala. Killing is done . Life is over . UMP,’s Jean-François Copé, offered total .
support . “the weekly Nouvel Observateur editorialized that Dieudonné is “already dead”, washed up, finished. Editors publicly disputed whether it was a better tactic to try to jail him for “incitement to racial hatred”, close his shows on grounds of a potential “threat to public order”, or put pressure on municipalities by threatening cultural subsidies with cuts if they allow him to perform.” May be the editor should talk to this magazine . Or is it already in the domain of the dementia ?

Dieudonné is never seen again performing on the same venue he used to .

You also know why money is important . Getting money and enriching with money are ever so Important and vital you cant underestimate it That means all bets are off when money making comes . Because you bribe with money to get the war you want not you need and you silence the person who doesn’t ’t like your past by hiring some charlatan known as lawyer . But you cant even use the word New York’s moneyman . You will be barred from Obama inauguration though you served the country as NATO general and even onetime was presidential candidate .

Then the Jews told the muslim “ well you can ridicule and draw Moses or Aaaron or ridicule Old Testament . We have no problem .We live in 21 st century.Learn from us who have been victimized for millennia”

That means the Jews get to tell the rest of the world what is emotionally or spiritually important and what is not . ASSIMILATION !! thats for the Hispanic in USA and for Muslim in France where they accept AIPAC ADL FDD and CRIF and LICRA ,make pilgrimage to Poland to see the burning chamber ,cry at the Wailing Wall like UK minister Patel did before Pompeo or Donald ,dont wear Yellow Vest because someone thought it belonged to the Yellow Badge of Iran . Yellow Badge is now in the domain of the dementia – a forgotten canard . But that canard almost darted a war . An assimilated world Jewry would have found common cause with the world . But common is not a Jewish word . It is unique . It doesn’t assimilate but it makes other assimilate to its views. Jewish ( Israeli) views are the national views of the non- Jews . Pointing that would be an example of failure of assimilation .

对传统宗教的亵渎一直（直到最近的颓废和堕落时代）被视为不受保护的言论。

Be careful because I don’t think constructive criticism of either Islam or Christianity constitutes blasphemy. Christians in general are much more good natured about assaults than are Muslims probably because in general Muslims take their religion far more seriously.

Blashphemy can be a loaded term because a Muslim could perceive mild criticism of Islamic doctrine as “blashphemy” when to any reasonable person it is not. This is why Muslims and non-Muslim white Europeans can’t occupy the same living space.

我理解穆斯林看到他们的先知以如此无礼的方式描绘的愤怒，但法国不是穆斯林国家，法国穆斯林自愿移民到法国。如果他们发现法国放荡和世俗，他们随时可以离开。法国没有义务允许穆斯林少数群体将自己的意志强加于他们或恐吓他们。

如果土耳其的基督教少数派因圣索菲亚大教堂成为清真寺的决定而发动暴力袭击，那么你和穆斯林世界的其他人将会发出不同的声音。

穆斯林站在法国和西方其他国家恢复理智传统价值观运动的最前沿。

Muslims are in the forefront of Islamicizing France and extirpating all rivals. I don’t know of any French Muslims wringing their hands over the decline of Catholicism and Christianity in France. If I’m wrong just point me to the sources where Muslims are waxing indignant about the decline of Christianity in France.

当心您所希望的，以免基督教世界变成沙特阿拉伯的延伸……犹太人和穆斯林在一起，而不是非犹太人白人！

Outside of a small handful, outlander Muslims should not be in the West. When my parents immigrated here – 70 years ago – they had to display proficiency in English and a working knowledge not just of American history, but of our founding principles. They also were required to wait for YEARS, as immigration restrictions were (wisely) in place at the time. When the same is demanded of the Third World flotsam and jetsam Hart-Celler loosed upon our country, only then will our society and our nation benefit from immigration.

However, I applaud the violent confrontation of the treasonous media who – outside of the specific Charlie Hebdo instance – daily advocate for bestial orcs of every stripe to victimize and kill ordinary everyday Westerners, above all White Americans. If the teeming horde of university-corrupted journalists had their ranks 经常 thinned by the kind of violence they quietly applaud behind half-hidden smirks, we should soon see their ranks once again be dominated by thoughtful gentiles grateful to be living in civilization.

您的所有评论给我留下了深刻的印象，感谢您来到这里。

When I see a race that keeps fidelity towards their creed unto death – even the misguided warriors of Al-Qaeda- I am enraptured by veneration.

Willingness to die for one’s Creator is indeed based. No one should be dying for a creed; the creed is how one approaches one’s Creator – Who is the object of one’s purpose and desire:
“Say: ‘Verily, my prayer, my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the universe. No rival has He. And upon this I have been commanded, and I am among the first to submit.’” (6:162-163)

The problem with extremists like al-Qaeda is that they claim to be fighting in His name and yet completely ignore His dictates on how to go about doing it. Killing random women and children and elderly with trucks is not based, it’s debased. Killing degenerate cartoonists in a land where you are under obligation to live by its rules and regulations is also misguided.

“O, you who believed – be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice. And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just! That is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah, indeed, Allah is All-Acquainted with what you do.” (5:8)

Majnun is powerless before Layla’s words; he cannot claim to love her and then ignore what she says.

和平：

These are very different types of questions.

As regards military attacks on civilians, they are frequently very justified. Anyone who has been in a war or have seen war situations, knows that guerilla fighters hide among civilians (who frequently shelter them), so that in most guerilla warfare situations these attacks are justified. They are justified too when it comes to the complete war, like Tokyo bombing or Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Completely justified. Unconditional surrender.

Regarding the 2nd question- it is a non-question. What does it it mean, after all? Vigilante justice in the case of breakdown of a social order? Some kind of tit-for-tat among gangs in Northern Ireland situation? Showing strength of one’s group in a ghetto-type of situation?

This is not clearly defined question after all & doesn’t show anything

On the other hand, the question: are suicide bombing/other violence against civilians is justified to defend Islam from its enemies? belongs to quite another category. This is terrorist fanaticism, pure and simple.

It is not about suicide bombings against enemy soldiers (which would be justified). It is against civilians, evidently in a non-war situation, who are perceived as enemies of Islam. For instance, Salman Rushdie, Israeli settlers in West Bank, “indecent” Western tourists in Islamic countries, public figures like Geert Wilders etc.

This is a mental world apart, completely incompatible with any kind of modern functioning society.

And as we know know, these guest workers never left, and many are now acting as a sort of fifth column for Erdogan.

And if Germans ever regain control of Germany and force them to leave then it could mean war with Turkey since Erdogan now views the Turkish diaspora in Germany as a useful colonial population.

科恩·班迪（Cohn Bandit）–另一名逃脱查理（Charlie）妖怪注意的犹太人

As regards military attacks on civilians, they are frequently very justified.

Uh hunh, the question clearly said “target and kill civilians” – this was not a “collateral damage” question.

Tokyo bombing or Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Completely justified. Unconditional surrender.

Thanks – why should Muslims take your moral claims of superiority seriously?

I am consistent; you are not – I follow a principle approach – you do not. When things are important to you, you are willing to kill off civilians (by the tens of thousands), you simply don’t find Muslim reasons important.

This is exactly the reason why Western claims to moral superiority (coming from people like yourself) are yawned at in the Muslim world. Maybe they convince other Westerners, but that’s just tribal preference.

和平：

您将宗教与种族混淆了。如果你去南美洲的拉丁穆斯林。
俄罗斯第二大人口是穆斯林，这并不是通过宣传在西方头脑中根深蒂固的典型洗脑代表。典型的穆斯林就像 ME 刻板印象中的沙特或王国。

印度尼西亚、马来西亚、中国、俄罗斯、哈萨克斯坦、乌兹别克斯坦、印度、巴基斯坦、孟加拉国……。构成了庞大的穆斯林人口（不同种族）。

我记得读过弗林将军的吹牛言论：没有穆斯林获得过诺贝尔奖。第一个对这个奖项不屑一顾的人。战犯也赢得了这个奖项。第二代将军必须在谷歌上搜索粒子物理学领域的诺贝尔奖获得者阿卜杜勒·萨拉姆博士。

谁通过引入零的概念或哲学使数学变得如此简单。当然，它来自我的穆斯林。印度人想出了 1 到 9 的数字。
想想罗马书里的 123 乘以 14。您需要多少页才能得到答案。哪里有现代科学的零概念。我不敢想象。
我们需要更加开放的心态。我们所有人。

好吧，在这里，请注意，美国是一种旨在吸收移民的文化。

矫正–我们是一种文化，旨在吸收移民。 我们的文化告诉移民，美国是第一位的，不要教给您的孩子您的母语，归因于美国价值观，您会做得很好。 在大多数情况下，这种方法是有效的，因为我们中很少有人仍会说德语，意大利语，西班牙语等。

但是，在过去的30年左右的时间里，美国是一种文化，在这种文化中，您首先要了解自己的身份，而您所在的国家为此而讨厌您。 这就是为什么这么多移民的儿子和女儿似乎有那么大的斧头要与他们认识的唯一国家打交道的原因（正如Sailer经常在他的博客上讨论的那样）。 地狱，我们在当今美国的人们中甚至是类似的情绪，说“种族主义”不是言论自由，应该受到惩罚，等等。我还认为这种思维方式的转变在65岁以后不可避免，因为来自世界各地的移民淹没了整个国家。并改变了它。

“你理解人们对穆罕默德漫画出版的愤慨吗？”

You conflate blasphemy with indignation. One can be indignant about many things beyond religion. Some people don’t like Picasso’s “art” and would be indignant when it is considered equivalent to the Old Masters. Others don’t like chocolate and may be indignant if told they were oddballs. Being indignant is neither a license to riot or nor a right to demand that the rest of society conform to a minority’s belief system.

我一直说“恐怖”团体/国家的主要共同点是缺乏一支像样的军队。

The fact that you got so triggered about my obvious and realistic statements speaks volumes. As do your derisive comments about those with other types of needs. People who are insecure in their own beliefs do such things.

You might want to do an internal deep-dive to figure out where all of that nastiness comes from. One valid guess is that it’s a byproduct of whatever brand of strident, organized religion you choose to consume. The Bible Belt is full of arrogant, nasty types and that is not random occurrence; they are trained that way.

I do not claim moral superiority (in fact, I frequently find moralizing annoying). But, to be completely honest:

* when in total war as WW2, and confronted with enemy like Japan which does not subscribe to Geneva convention & which has shown indefinitely many times it is capable & willing to wage a war of complete extermination, including mass suicides of their own people- then, 所有 measures are permitted. Japan should have been bombed until complete & utter submission, and there was not any other alternative.

* in the case of guerilla warfare, it is evident, for any discernible person, that questions posed are about such situation. Who, in his right mind, would pose a question on bombing some random civilians in a peaceful or limited war situation? For instance, in the case of clear air superiority- when did Israel bomb civilian targets in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq,… which were not connected with guerilla warfare ? Never. It did not happen.

As for advocating violence against those perceived as enemies of a religion or something similar: what would be reaction, or attitude of most Jews, everywhere, if some decided to publicly burn Hebrew Bible or the Talmud? Or Buddhists if someone publicly burns the Tripitaka? Or Hindus if anyone publicly burns Vedas, Upanishads & Mahabharata? Or Sikhs if someone burns, on TV, Grant Sahib?

答案很明显。

Only inwardly cowardly religious culture is capable of this behavior in modern times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

伊斯兰教的叛教
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More than 20 Muslim-majority states have laws that declare apostasy by Muslims to be a crime.

This was a great interview between Russel Brand and Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens). I love what he said here:
“In an economic and materialistic society, to renounce fame – one of the sort of icons of our systems, of our secular faith – is an act of secular apostasy.”

聊天至 @YusufCat史蒂文斯 我 ＃皮肤下 播客！
您可以在上收听整个播客 @hearluminary. pic.twitter.com/6Gbd9qL4uK

-罗素·布兰德（@rustyrockets） 2020 年 9 月 3 日

It would be very interesting if you could get Russel Brand on your podcast to discuss these things.

瓦萨拉姆。

I am not religious, but I don’t see,why would I mock someone’s belief?As I see it, mockers are the people, who can’t do anything of substance, so they start mocking, so they would still look smart!

Blasphemy laws have been circulating without being legislated. Facebook Twitter NYTimes ( center of the cosmos of the gatekeeping ) ,publishing houses and visual media have sharpened and hones their skills of suppressing information, purveying falsehoods ,and creating false knowledge .

Saudi does away with somebody by cutting the throat with a sword . Despicable scene and very painful for the victims . America uses lethal injection , prevents DNA evidence or uses plea to ensnare someone or chokes before being indicted. Some even don’t return the bodies or harvest organs, uses human shield to shoot the father or sister . Its complex .

Blasphemy is on the same spectrum . Its how you do it that matters .Does it look more civil and edifying ?

At the ned of the day, lets admit we don’t respect sacred ,we abuse (French Muslim ) , we abuse ( US gov . Check with the whistleblower or Assange ) and we incite ( ((( ))) by controlled media . We fear being labeled as a blasphemer against (( )) . We avoid it so much that we look like the frightened victims of the raging and rampaging French muslim but at social gathering and, at work in public places. But it is the skull cap that crops up in our awareness .

“Religion has no standing in the modern world”. May be on your wish list but is not the reality. Ask about 4 billion people in the world, who still carry some religious faith and practice.

Your atheism is grand and total, and your faith in science and rationality is rock-hard. All I can say is do not make a bigoted belief of that, do not turn it into a new religion. If you were on 100% sure ground for your beliefs you would not waste time advocating for them. Would you waste time arguing with someone who claimed 2+2 = 5? Perhaps the believers are like the 2+2=5 type, perhaps not. Who knows. In any case, whatever happened to “to each his own” and “live and let live”.

BTW, if I may, may I ask you your views on: Are there two genders or an infinite variety? Is gender fixed at birth or a matter of choice? Is race a valid category or simply a social construct? Does intelligence (not IQ scores which may be imperfect) have a genetic and therefore racial component? Are the social sciences fairly scientific and logical? I ask these in a spirit of humility to test some pet theories of mine. Thanks in advance.

Making laws for blasphemy is a slippery slope.

We already have laws for it for the Big 6 religion.

The Big 6 religion even without laws is the biggest religion on earth.

People all over the world greatly fear this religion.

In most of the world, one loses ones job or is ostracized for doubting this religion.

We don’t need more blasphemy laws.

Otherwise, humans will return to animal kingdom, any speech is a potential blasphemy crime.

Speech for humans is what makes us humans.

Restricted speech brings us back to the animal kingdom.

I don’t consider any belief to be sacred.

But I also don’t go out of my way to attack any belief like the cartoonists.

And the cartoonists seems to have a super strong, strange fixation on Islam. A very mild interest in Christianity. zero interest in Judaism.

And the Christian anons in the comments are falling for it.

迟到。

世界各地的穆斯林普遍对无神论的兴起感到震惊 (and fall of Christianity)

https://www.kunc.org/npr-news/2020-07-10/turkey-converts-istanbuls-iconic-hagia-sophia-back-into-a-mosque

they just destroyed St. Georgios Christian church, known as the “Hagia Sophia of Bursa.”

https://primepatriot.com/2020/09/03/turkey-demolishes-iconic-christian-church-the-hagia-sophia-of-bursa/

As I said before; I do not condone the targeting the killing of civilians in either circumstance. You condone targeting and killing them in a certain circumstance.

what would be reaction, or attitude of most Jews, everywhere, if some decided to publicly burn Hebrew Bible or the Talmud?

Are you telling me that most Jews wouldn’t care to legally take steps to interdict someone from burning a Torah or Talmud in Israel? Because that simply isn’t true:
“The infliction of “injury to religious sentiments” constitutes a criminal offense in Israel and is punishable by one year of imprisonment. Indictments under this offense, however, are extremely rare. As discussed below, under limited circumstances the potential for harming religious feelings may also constitute a ground for prohibiting the screening of movies or the distribution of publications.

Section 173 of the Penal Law 5737-1977 provides as follows:

Injury to Religious Sentiments

173. If a person does any of the following, then he is liable to one year imprisonment:

(1) he publishes a publication that is liable crudely to offend the religious faith or sentiment of others;
(2) he voices in a public place and in the hearing of another person any word or sound that is liable crudely to offend the religious faith or sentiment of others.[219]”
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/blasphemy/index.php#Israel

The vast majority of Muslims in France did not react violently, the ones that do want something to be done, want it to be done via legal means. Now, I personally agree with Anonstarter’s comment. A religious minority should understand and respect its position as a minority. Pushing an anti-blasphemy law upon a majority population that has no care for such is not pragmatic not practical. Now, if one day France wakes up and 60-70% of its population is Muslim, then they can revisit codifying and enacting a law that will punish blasphemy. At that point it will simply be a natural expression of the sentiments of the majority of the populace.

和平：

Okay, but most of “Christianity” is actually worse about this than Islam is. I remember some Muslim issuing a fatwa against some jevv for defaming Jesus (who Muslims revere as a prophet or some such, IIRC, but not a divinity). And somehow, I don’t recall any of the myriad Christian heretics we have running around doing the same (and if they had, it would have carried less weight, I’m guessing).

是啊。然后他们将不再是恐怖分子，而变得有点像朝鲜，让世界独自一人，除非世界打扰他们。

And the cartoonists seems to have a super strong, strange fixation on Islam.

It’s not strange – it’s a very serious contender (possibly the only serious one left) to their worldview.

A very mild interest in Christianity.

It’s no longer fun beating the whipping boy when you’ve already been at it for so long…gets boring and one’s arm gets tired.

Zero interest in Judaism.

Hmmmmm…?

和平：

I was so glad when the Charlie Hebdo office get all shot up and am sorry the perps didn’t succeed in launching all those bastards into eternity. They are not “satirists”, as they are always described. They are pornographers and liars.

Now, that doesn’t mean I want millions of foreigners living in western countries, but if they’re going to be here, well, let them do some good. They redeemed themselves in my eyes.

也许是正确的，尽管像自由主义者那样，有些人不是通过强加自己的价值观来做某件事，因为不强加自己的价值观就是他们的价值观。

‘Course, at least in the case of libertardians, this just means they’re limp-wristed mopes begging to have their country wrested from them and pillaged (which is basically what we see in America today).

It’s nice to dream about a society based on live-and-let-live, but you have to wake up some time; if you aren’t imposing order, someone else will. The trick (for western-European-descended peoples) is to impose just enough to keep your society stable, and stop there.

My experience as well. Pious Muslims do in fact love Christ and Christians and have a horror of atheism. But, quite long ago, I stopped discussing religion or divinity in social settings, having realized that these are useless and needlessly acrimonious discussions and that “A man convinced against his will is of much the same opinion still”. However, I do detest people trying to stuff their beliefs, lack of belief, or outright atheism of a militant variety down my throat. Although more of an atheist myself, I still believe that religious belief is a necessity for social structure and for many people. I therefore respect these peoples’ needs and beliefs and think the militant atheist types are just as fanatical as the jihadis or the crusaders. Curiously, strong atheism is more to be found among the liberal, social science types. The engineers and hard science folks (especially mathematicians and physicists) are either cheerfully indifferent to these grand debates or, like some of the greatest of them, possess a strong, quiet and deeply introspective belief in “something profound and higher, some higher force”.

This has turned into a much needed break from political debates!

26年2003月57日XNUMX年前：美国和英国批准使用伊斯兰极端分子推翻叙利亚政府

英国广播公司报道，在1957年，英美两国领导人批准使用伊斯兰极端分子和假旗袭击推翻叙利亚政府。

http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/27/uk.syria1?cat=politics&type=article

Jan 10, 2015 Charlie Hebdo Shootings – Censored Video

这是查理周刊枪击事件的镜头，已被限制或从许多网站上删除。 如您所见，它不包含血腥，血腥或图像暴力。 但是，它确实在官方故事中打了一个重大漏洞。

世界各地的穆斯林普遍对无神论的兴起感到震惊 （以及基督教的衰落)

我对自己国家的伊斯兰教或穆斯林没有任何问题。

但随着各种类型的移民被种族灭绝的犹太至上主义者——比如索罗斯和芭芭拉·斯佩克特以及他们的撒旦之流——强行涌入西方，

敌对行动将会日益增多，导致大规模冲突、仇恨并最终导致死亡。

I just don’t think that’s really going to be a positive development, as already America’s streets are on fire over racial hatreds.

为什么有人认为解决种族仇恨的方法是将其与 更多 殖民/入侵以及文化和种族仇恨？

It’s almost like there’s some strange ((force)) out there that feeds on hatred. Hmm..

(won’t be able to respond for days)

愿上帝保佑大家，平安。

Hi Rurik;

Far from me top defend Erdogan’s vile politics, but this Turkish newspaper says that Hagia Sophia of Bursa fell to ruin after 7 years of disrepair, and because of petty power fights between local authorities.

It also adds that they intend to rebuild it.

https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/hagia-sophia-of-bursa-falls-to-ruin-after-7-years-of-disrepair-157942

伊斯兰教是和平的宗教，所有说不同话的人都必须被杀死。

如果不出意外的话，没有人可以指责穆斯林有讽刺意味。

YOUR COMMENT IS THE FIRST AND SO FAR THE BEST COMMENT ON HERE.

Jesus Christ and Mohammad are fair game, but don’t you dare talk about the Jew, Saint George, Saint Martin Luther “Kang” or the beloved Saint Trayvon.

Hmm, Jusse Smollet was a threefer, and had all the bases covered, Jew-Black and “homersexual.” Wow, talk about hitting the genetic lottery.

Baby Nut&Yahoo marching for free speech in Europe!? In France of all places!? You can’t make this shit up. When are (((these people))) going to be called out for their lies, shit stirring, and hypocrisy??? What chutzpah on these (((small hats.)))

You don’t seem to understand the point of my comment.

Replace interest with attack. Easier to understand.

Reminds me of that quote by Curtis LeMay (who was the architect of the aerial total war strategy over Japan):
“我想如果我输掉了战争，我将被审判为战犯。 幸运的是，我们在获胜方面。”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/06/19/the-general-and-world-war-iii

和平：

It is very (((racist))) to think that non-European peoples have to all immigrant to European majority nations.

It is a concept that non-European peoples can not make a good nest for themselves in their homelands. They needed to be (((trained))) by the Europeans or the (((Super Elites))) in European majority lands to be (((civilized))).

The world wide Zion regime changes and Zion Vulture capitalism in non-European nations makes it very difficult for these nations to develop a working economy.

Yet, the (((MSM BLM Zombies protesters))) in the Zion ruled lands in the Zion west do not dare to look there. Our Faux Free Zion press does not allow that. It is (((blasphemy)) to look at that.

This makes for a very large pool of terrorist sympathizers and potential Islamic terrorists.

NOPE。

Prophet Muhammad (saw) was sent to finally establish true God-awareness on His Earth. True God-awareness is, and can only be, the pure monotheism of Islam.

The Almighty One says that Prophet Muhammad (saw) has been sent as a mercy upon mankind. If not for him, we true monotheists would also be spewing mind-bending garbage like triple mangod deities, and all other kinds of pagan abominations. You pagan godless scum can’t imagine the blessing he truly is… you know, the difference between Paradise and Hell.

So, contrary to your claim, this actually makes for a very large pool of warriors who will stand up True Monotheism. May the Almighty One bless them all.

The whitevil race is the real cesspool of terrorist sympathisers and potential Pagan Godless terrorists. I remember so many degenerates here who were virtually orgasming about wanting to view the Christchurch massacre.

Hell awaits you all, I promise you.

I’m confused. You appear to be saying bombing civilian targets where there is guerilla activity is understandable and not a war crime, but the Einsatzgruppen shooting partisans and those aiding and abetting, is a war crime.
That would lead to Israel bombing Palestinians in their homes is not a war crime, but the IDF shooting suspected guerillas is a war crime.

I agree overall. However, in respect to the poll, most polls are manipulative, and rarely consist of one question. The normal process is to use other questions to lead a person to the answer they want, wherever possible.
The question of being indignant may, or may not, be accurate depending on the questions proceeding. For example, if several questions leading up to the “indignant” question deal with violence and rioting, “indignant” would be associated with violence and rioting.
In Question 7 (shown) the question is ‘do you put your religious views before the Republic?’ Given devout Muslims openly state they are only bound by their faith, why would it be surprising that the “laws of man” – the Republic, was secondary. Devout Christians would see that as ‘render unto Caesar that which is Ceasar’s’. No surprise.
Islam is more than a faith. It is also a political philosophy and a legal philosophy. It is, for all intents and purposes, the state. While the Sunni may be inclined less so than Shia, I recall reading, at the time of the Iranian Revolution, that the devout Shia approached life from the perspective of every day was Karbala, as in the Battle of Karbala. They are prepared to die for the cause. When your religion is your political and legal system, that is possible. It hasn’t been that way across Europe for more than 500 years.

A religion that legitimizes lying to unbelievers is in essence a religion of lies. You cannot reason with people whose world view is predicated on theirs being the only way or else its the sword for you.

The Almighty One says that Prophet Muhammad (saw) has been sent as a mercy upon mankind.

其次是：

The whitevil race

You don’t see the contradiction in this? How is the white race excluded from “mankind” exactly?

Hell awaits you all, I promise you.

As a bit of advice, I’d be very careful with promises that are not in your hands:
“A man said: ‘By Allah, Allah will not forgive this person!’ Allah Almighty said: ‘Who is he who swore by Me that I will not forgive someone? I have forgiven him and nullified your good deeds.’” – reported in Muslim

There was a day when Umar (ra) left his house in rage to kill the Prophet (puh) and returned a Muslim. How can you stand in front of a brother like this* (who is white and changed paths) and say he is “whitevil”? Is he not your brother? Did he not reflect and change?

If being on this forum causes you this much anger, I would sincerely suggest you spend your time in better pursuits; it is not helpful to your soul, nor is there much benefit to be gained for the deen by approaching people in this manner. May Allah swt grant us all patience and wisdom.

瓦萨拉姆。

The St. Georgios Greek Orthodox Church, known as the “Hagia Sophia of Bursa,” since it was used both as a church and a mosque in the past, was estimated to have been built in 1896, was converted into a mosque after the exchange, but became abandoned because it was not used after the Yeni Özlüce Mosque was built.

The historical building, whose door was locked after passing to the foundation, was not maintained for years, and cracks began to appear in the building. Noting the situation to the Regional Directorate of Foundations and drawing attention to the danger of demolition, Nilüfer Municipality attempted again in 2016 to control the church and demanded that the building be allocated to the municipality for renovation. However, it was stated that the building cannot be used for any purpose other than a place of worship and that this place was a mosque.

https://orthodoxtimes.com/hagia-sophia-of-bursa-was-demolished/

I didn’t know they were this vile. Wow!

I honestly can’t believe that believing Christians wouldn’t also be up at arms (legally) about this.

和平：

Muslims doing the dirty work that Christians refuse to do. Worrying about legality doesn’t really come into it for devout worshippers of any religion. Their god is the ultimate moral authority not the politicians making the laws.

but that makes them feel like retarded clowns.

On the contrary sir, we see the likes of you as retarded clowns, the idiots who believe intelligent life came out of nothing.

They are afraid of scientific experiments, imperical measurements, and objective reality.

On the contrary sir, we marvel at the Greatness of the Almighty One, for every amazing aspect of His Creation, known and unknown.

We are certainly not afraid of what man will discover tomorrow. The only thing certain is, every amazing thing mankind will discover, will only go on to prove that there is a Creator of it all.

And religious people are only mad that their own faith in God is no longer tenable

Perhaps that is true for pagan godless faithful like hindoos, christians, buddhists, etc., but I assure you, muslims are not mad all. The following verses have liberated us;

说，“他是真主，[真主]是一位永恒的避难所。 他既不生也没有出生，他也没有任何同等的人。” 古兰经112

We truly believe those logical verses are plenty tenable.

Your questions are confusing.

What Ensatzgruppen did was clearly a crime, they shot civilians as civilians. While in modern urban warfare, “good guys” of necessity kill civilians who are intermingled with terrorists/guerilla fighters in house-to- house combat. The same applies to precise bombing of ammunition storage facilities with civilians living near it. This is not a war crime.

What would be a crime is, say, catching civilians who had been helping ISIS and shooting them after the fighting had ceased. And this is not the case.

As for Israelis bombing Palestinians in their homes-this is nonsense. In which mental world do you live? IDF, when it kills civilians (apart from knife terror attacks) is only when destroying the military infrastructure of Hamas & Hezbollah, frequently placed in the midst of civilian Arab population.

谁通过引入零的概念或哲学使数学变得如此简单。当然，它来自我的穆斯林。印度人想出了 1 到 9 的数字。
想想罗马书里的 123 乘以 14。

Many claim the Aztecs introduced the concept of zero in mathematics. Either way, it’s overrated in my opinion. Even people counting things on their fingers understand that there is no finger needed for nothing to count. As for Roman numerals, to a Roman, there would be no problem, because they used their numbers and knew no others. They would easily understand that CXXIII x X was MCCXXX, and IV x CXXIII was CDXCII, the two together are MDCCXXII. Not many pages at all.
In fact, even in Europe, the basis of counting is different. The French use 20 as a basis, English/Germanic uses ten (some would say 12 is the basis for old English). It’s built into our language. In the numbers 13-19 “teen” means “plus ten”. Twenty is (was) literally “two tens”, or some say “twin tens”. Mathematics is a language of its own. That is why language skills and mathematics are processed in the same part of the brain.

n Question 7 (shown) the question is ‘do you put your religious views before the Republic?’ Given devout Muslims openly state they are only bound by their faith, why would it be surprising that the “laws of man” – the Republic, was secondary.

Why is this a problem? Of course religious Muslims put the religious views above the Republic – as they should:
“The response of the believers when they are called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them is that they say, ‘We hear and we obey.’ And those are the successful.” (24:51)

But that doesn’t mean that they should not observe the legal canon of the land that thy reside in; that is part of the obligation one has as a Muslim as part of the social contract in the society in which they reside. If they don’t like adhering to the law, they have two options; 1) petition to change it via legal means or 2) leave.

For instance, in the state in which I live, polygamy is a punishable offense. I think that’s a stupid law (especially since the same state lets men marry men); I have zero moral qualms about polygamy and think it should be legal. But it doesn’t matter; the fact that it is illegal means I should adhere to the law whether or not I find it consistent with my beliefs.

Islam is more than a faith. It is also a political philosophy and a legal philosophy.

No, it’s a faith, it just refuses to cede authority in those realms of human society that other religions used to have and thought it natural, but do not any longer.

It hasn’t been that way across Europe for more than 500 years.

Well that’s when it sort of began…it’s been a slow drip ever since then – these things take time to sort themselves out:
“In Scotland until the 18th century it was punishable by death, and in England it is both a statutory and a common-law offense.”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/blasphemy

“THE OFFENCE of Blasphemy has been official removed from the Irish constitution.
Ireland voted to repeal the reference to blasphemy in the Constitution by a huge majority in a referendum held back in October 2018.”
https://www.irishpost.com/news/offence-blasphemy-officially-scrapped-irish-law-177509

和平：

我肯定知道一件事：如果那里有人敢于制作有关主耶稣基督的漫画，他们甚至可能甚至没有将其送进监狱，并且以前曾在街头被私刑。

Well, I don’t know about the “lynching,” but yes, we muslims would not take too kindly to it, if it should happen in our lands.

I can truthfully say that I could not even bring myself to see those abominations (you can’t un-see such vile things), especially of such a blessed 先知 全能的。

那些画出来的人，愿上帝的咒诅临到他们身上。

Worrying about legality doesn’t really come into it for devout worshippers of any religion.

Well it should.

Their god is the ultimate moral authority not the politicians making the laws.

Correct. But that same God states that we are obligated to abide by the law of the land. Vigilantism and breaking the law is not sanctioned. I know plenty of very qualified Muslim scholars – these are the circles I mingle with; none of them will 1) condone the attack on the Charlie Hebdo office as legitimate and 2) shed a tear over the staff that were killed (or carry an inane “Je suis Charlie” sign).

和平：

任何宗教或教派禁止其信徒与非宗教或教派的其他人平等对待或什至不诚实地鼓励他人。 特殊的穿衣方式，特殊的食物，要求民政方面的特殊待遇等等，都是一种端庄的思维方式的标志。

就是说，有些邪教-这里是阿米什人（Amish）-无害且无礼。 他们只想一个人呆着。 同上为主流的摩门教徒，他们以诚实着称，事实上，摩门教徒为其追随者提供了令人钦佩的社会服务和福利体系。

这些组是规则的例外。 以穆斯林和犹太人为例，这里再次想到了某些派别的奇怪而毫无疑问的例外–德鲁兹人（Druze）和阿拉维派（Alawites）在这里想到–越来越多的人强烈要求对其行为和信仰实行免除和例外的强烈要求，而这些仅是基于身份政治。

他们推动，其他人承认，然后再推动更多。 很快，所有其他事物都仅次于他们的迫切愿望，并且可以说，这是对公共钱包的欺诈和欺诈性尖刻的要求。

至于后者，只需要举两个例子，在美国观察新泽西州北部哈雷迪的地方性福利欺诈。 在穆斯林人口中也存在类似的欺诈行为，其中穆斯林欺诈的命名规则也导致了类似的欺诈行为，例如，已婚妇女不分享丈夫的姓氏，因此能够获得福利。

挤奶系统，寻求优势，抱怨，内，欺负以及最近的骚动，直到他们得到他们想要的东西为止，这就是邪教的游戏计划。

法国在所有这些愚蠢的让步和妥协中都处于最后的局面。 如果法国文化要生存，那么法国本地人和历史悠久的人们将必须像对待任何欺负者一样努力地奋斗和奋斗。 这将令其左翼政客感到恐怖，对他们来说，查尔斯·马特尔（Charles Martel）无疑是令人尴尬的过时主义，但这是唯一的解决方案，以免法国陷入朝后看，野蛮的宗教和中世纪的混乱。

仅仅是一个想法。

维克B3

Left forums still not allowing comments section. Against free speech

I’m hardly a WWII specialist myself, but based upon the mainstream scholarship I’ve read, the US military had an absolutely appalling record of atrocities, quite possibly far worse than that of the Japanese, even before the obviously illegal atomic bombings of two large cities. Moreover, that scale of atrocities, particularly against the Germans, actually continued after the end of the war, including starving to death huge numbers of surrendered POWs.

Your theses are products of worthless conspiracy crap you ingest in gallons. That’s what you need: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

批判性思维

But, there is no need to get emotional. Remember: If you can’t be a good example, then you’ll just have to be a horrible warning.

伊斯兰教与基督教、犹太教、印度教或佛教一样暴力。观看 YouTube 视频很有趣，其中刻板印象的“和平”佛教焚烧非佛教徒（基督徒、印度教徒和穆斯林）的房屋，在缅甸进行大屠杀。和平偶像或中央情报局资产达理喇嘛对这种杀戮只字不提。

暴力并不是任何宗教的专利。

有趣的。 谢谢

Thanks for the links, but the first link did not open probably because it was doomed to the memory hole.

Maryse Wolinski is an accomplished author, and her husband the late Georges Wolinski, before being brutally shot aged 80, was one of the most famous cartoonist of France. Yet, despite all the media outrage over the Charlie Hebdo attack, nobody in the mainstream press has reported the revelations she made in her book “Chérie, je vais à Charlie”.

She collected the testimonies of four eye-witnesses who saw the Kouachi brothers being accompanied at the Charlie Hebdo building by a third man, dressed in black, not armed but wearing a bullet-proof vest. He quietly disappeared and his existence never investigated by the police. Furthermore, one of the witnesses, a dresser at the Comédie Bastille theater, was bullied by the Paris police into withdrawing her testimony about a third man taking part in the attack.

A fifth witness, a woman who drove her car past the Kouachi’s upon their arrival, also stated seeing three men inside.

Here is the extract about the 3rd man from Mrs Wolinski’s book:
These revelations were almost entirely ignored by the MSM, only discussed in a handful of alternative webzines:

https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/attentat-de-charlie-hebdo-maryse-177617

https://www.lefigaro.fr/vox/societe/2016/01/06/31003-20160106ARTFIG00205-charlie-hebdo-quand-maryse-wolinski-accuse.php

Why is this a problem? Of course religious Muslims put the religious views above the Republic – as they should:
“The response of the believers when they are called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them is that they say, ‘We hear and we obey.’ And those are the successful.” (24:51)

You’ve answered your own question. In a secular society, whether you like it or not, religion defines self, not nation or country. If religion defines nation or country, then let’s get on with it and have an all out war. There have been RC and Protestant Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, etc. They understood that religion was important to self, but has to be put aside for the benefit of all. Do RCs in Russia refuse to assimilate because the Eastern Church is predominant? Even India, with many different religions present has fewer problems than Europe and its Muslim population.

No, it’s a faith, it just refuses to cede authority in those realms of human society that other religions used to have and thought it natural, but do not any longer.

Again, you have defeated you own denial. Refusing to cede authority is a political act, not a religious act, especially if it comes from the collective, not self.

There have been, and are, plenty of laws in countries that exist, but haven’t been enforced in living memory. Ireland also repealed its abortion prohibition law, for better or worse. What’s your point?

“我对自己国家的伊斯兰教或穆斯林没有任何问题”

那么你建议哪个国家呢？俄罗斯、孟加拉国、印度、波斯尼亚、巴基斯坦、土耳其、中国、伊朗、印度尼西亚、马来西亚、几个非洲国家以及全球拥有大量伊斯兰信仰人口的国家。

需要更具体。

Ensatzgruppen的所作所为显然是犯罪，他们将平民枪杀为平民。

您需要停止阅读官方叙述。 在建立纽伦堡袋鼠法院的《伦敦议定书》出台之前，《威斯特伐利亚和约》已将订婚规则定义了245年。 战斗人员要穿制服。 身穿制服的战斗员是间谍。 那些协助和教be间谍的人也被认为是间谍。 间谍可能会被立即执行。 战斗人员要避免与平民人口混在一起。
此外，应尽可能最大程度地减少平民伤亡。

Einsatzgruppen追赶那些身穿制服的战斗人员以及那些协助和教them他们的人，即间谍，这完全符合《交战规则》。 故意轰炸平民人口，因为政府的政策并非如此。
If you wonder why in today’s world, up is down, black is white, and the builders of the civilization in which we live (or at least remnants of it) are all irredeemable deplorables, it all started at Nuremberg.

很好，否认入侵者对巴勒斯坦、叙利亚和伊拉克人民所做的事情就是“否认大屠杀”，可判处死刑。穆斯林正面临最近的大屠杀的冲击，除了与所谓的犹太人大屠杀之间的一个区别外，这场大屠杀实际上是真实的。

不谴责犹太人和犹太复国主义是仇恨犯罪

The whole history of Western Civilization is being eradicated in a single generation. Sad.
RC

What? Unz isn’t the one getting emotional, you are!

In a secular society, whether you like it or not, religion defines self, not nation or country.

Correct. Which is why Muslims have to adhere to the law of the land. If they eventually become demographically predominant, the entire situation is turned on its head; the society need not adhere to secular norms if the majority population deems it, just like how the society currently adheres to secular norms since the majority obviously deems it.

This is simply a mathematics game.

If religion defines nation or country, then let’s get on with it and have an all out war.

Yes, this happens to be the historical European way of handling things, which is why Europe finds itself in the current paradigm.

Again, you have defeated you own denial.

不尽然。

Refusing to cede authority is a political act, not a religious act, especially if it comes from the collective, not self.

Again, this makes an a priori assumption that a political act and religious act are mutually exclusive. Which is a distinction Islam simply refuses to concede from the outset and which is why liberalism has the rest of the religions against the ropes – they let them define the terms and parameters, they set themselves up to lose and now they wonder – in between public whippings – why they are handed defeat after ignominious defeat. The second largest (and soon-to-be largest) religion in the world has no need to make concessions to others in definitional terms or axiomatic presuppositions.

I mean, look, maybe the West will kick out Muslims in toto from its sovereign territory, but at the least, we’ll be able to hold our heads high on the Day of Judgment and say; “Our Lord, we were weak in the land and they expelled us, but when everyone else conceded, we never, ever acknowledged that men were sovereign over You.”

你想说什么？

My point was simply that it was a work in progress, not a clean break at some point 500 years ago.

和平：

Muslims everywhere are generally appalled by the rise of atheism (and fall of Christianity) and all of the destruction of society that this has entailed. You would know this if you actually had Muslim friends.

I’m not speaking as a smart aleck atheist who thinks he has all the answers. I have few answers when it comes to religion but know enough to conclude that Christianity has largely turned its back on the race of people who accepted it, spread it far and wide and until recently made it into the world’s most dominant Abrahamic religion.

Islam and Muslims have proven to be the nemesis of Europeans almost since Islam burst on the scene in the 7th century. The Koran and Muslim beliefs are largely incompatible with Western civilization. We are right to ask if it is wise to allow large numbers of Muslim to settle in Western nations.

But the vast majority of ordinary Muslims love Christians but are horrified by atheism.

Muslims sure have a strange way of showing their love for Christians. The suppression of the Coptic Christians in Egypt, rape gangs in the UK, periodic riots in France, the bloody Bataclan terror attack in 2015, the 2016 beheading of a Catholic priest in Normandy, France. Then in America we have the lovely Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib with their anti-white bigotry and hatred of right of political center, usually Christian white people. I could go on.

You keep on lying a lot despite being corrected a lot . You are not learning .

Many claim the Aztecs introduced the concept of zero in mathematics.

Did Many say to whom the Aztecs introduced their zero?

They would easily understand that CXXIII x X was MCCXXX, and IV x CXXIII was CDXCII, the two together are MDCCXXII. Not many pages at all.

I doubt the Romans did this. If I remember, they used
these things for recording not for actual calculating.

Did you first use Arabic numerals then convert to Roman?

It’s Alain SORAL, for those who might want to search his name.

He has been arrested for 48 hours recently on the ridiculous charges of provocation aux crimes et délits portant atteinte aux intérêts de la nation. Incitement to crimes against the interests of the nation – are so-called 民主党人 something or what?!

He’s president of Egalité & Réconciliation, whose website is one of the highest traffic news & politics websites in France, if not the highest, according to Alexa.

Not unlike Unz I guess, in many ways.

There have been a systematic efforts to create low grade permanent tension between muslim and Christian with executable controllable potential for significant ratcheting up . 911 , Iraq war and mass migration , attacks on Syria, terror attacks on Europe are examples of those flare ups. Zionist orchestrated those with supports and accomplices from Muslim and Christian

They also maintain this low grade tension . Hedbo is an example of this sort of platform – serving as cooling station for the ship of the global control whose only fuel is hatred .

温兹先生

I believe the conspicuous absence is likely due to the 种族现实主义者 persuasions of M. Durocher.

They resent M. Soral’s policy of, in his own words, main tendue, mais firme, towards Black and Muslim patriots, some of which are M. Soral’s supporters and bodyguards.

They may also resent the sharpness of M. Soral’s socioeconomic analysis over their 种族现实主义者, IQ-based ones, towards which he employs his mastery of Marxist and Hegelian theory with great effect.

Being Portuguese myself, I think I know just how much seemingly dumb people with little resources at hand, but provided with determined leadership, can achieve.

Now, I personally agree with Anonstarter’s comment. A religious minority should understand and respect its position as a minority. Pushing an anti-blasphemy law upon a majority population that has no care for such is not pragmatic nor practical.

It goes deeper.

The question we have to ask is whether there is any actual injury inflicted by an expression. Injuries-in-fact are the basis for movement in such cases. Now …

How does that which proceeds from ignorance actually harm the Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam? If we determine that it does 不能 proceed from ignorance — even when obfuscatory, mixing truth with falsehood — then aren’t we lending credence to the intended message of the attack?

For a statement to be defamatory, it is necessary to demonstrate that such injury occurred. How do rank falsehoods and distortions hold up as evidence of injury against the original record? We see them by the dozens in this thread alone. Do they really injure anyone but the person who advances them?

Should we perceive the assassination of some Medinian-era Jews who composed provocative verse as evidence that the content of their expression was thus actionable, or should we place these events — categorized by the earliest biographers as “military campaigns” — in their proper historical context, holding that they constituted a temporary, tactically expeditious means of psychological warfare against an enemy that had already gathered formidable confederates to its camp, ever threatening to attack?

was-salaam。

宇宙的创造者是唯一，强大，独特的上帝，没有合作伙伴，没有亲戚，没有同伴，没有同伴，没有对手，没有同伴，没有可比性，没有开始，没有终点，没有局限，没有缺陷，也没有。需求。 他创造我们的目的仅仅是一个目的：敬拜和服从他。 生活的任何其他原因都是错误的，最终是徒劳的。
上帝呼吁人类按照严格的道德准则行事，包括严格禁止谋杀，盗窃，犯罪，通奸，通奸，中毒、,亵，恶意，欺骗，背叛，违法，不公正，酷刑，虐待和诽谤等。事物，他呼吁人类维护这些弊端的对立面。 地球上生命的目的是努力向善，证明我们的价值。 因此，生活仅仅是一种考验。 对与错对我们很清楚，即使选择正确的行动并不总是那么容易，但这是我们的期望。
死后，所有人类将复活，并将站在上帝面前，面对每一个单独的行动和信念都要受到审判。 每个人应对自己的所作所为或失败负责。 如果没有人因别人的错误行径而受到惩罚，除非有人通过上帝的怜悯和宽恕，否则也不会因自己的错误行径而受到宽恕。 上帝一再向先知和使者传达同样的神圣信息，从人类存在之初就一直保持不变（先知包括亚当，诺亚，亚伯拉罕，以实玛利，以撒，雅各，摩西，大卫，所罗门，耶稣基督，以及无数的先知）其他人，愿和平归于所有人）。 正是在这些伟大的神先知之后的世代中，他们最终误入歧途，将变化和背离引入神的纯正宗教之中，有必要派遣更多的使者，直到最后一个使者穆罕默德在末日前被神最终的启示所派遣出去。 直到今天，《古兰经》一直保留着这一启示，同时也保留了先知穆罕默德的生命遗产，他的生活和真实的教义得到了忠实的记录。 伊斯兰的最后信息是对所有先前神的先知的肯定，这是所有宗教信仰者之间团结起来的呼吁，它只返回了对神的敬拜。

神的信息一直是并且仍然如下：神是独一的神，他没有任何伴侣或其他虚假的神。 唯独他要服从和敬拜。 他的命令和他的意志将在生活中得到优先考虑，因为我们欠我们的全部生存和我们对上帝的寄托，包括每个脑细胞，每个呼吸和每个心跳。 我们完全依赖我们的创造者，我们应该表达感激之情，并将自己的生命归于他，这就是“伊斯兰”的含义。
尽管我们是出于这个目的由上帝创造的，并且我们有能力将其认识为真理，但我们碰巧有一个结盟的敌人羡慕我们，其明确的目标是误导我们并使我们失败。目的。 这个敌人就是撒但，他的手段是用欲望和低级自我分散人们的注意力。 他通过非法性行为，醉酒，轻率的娱乐，破坏性的习惯和成瘾，不诚实的赚钱，世俗的放纵，自高自大，暴力和冲突，寻求力量以及其他任何吸引他们注意力的方法来诱使他们失望。 许多人被这些转移所消耗，被阻止寻求神并实现其人生的真正目的。
当一切都说完了，我们的生活结束了，我们都会复活，我们的命运将是在地狱之火中燃烧（如果我们不相信上帝，并以真诚和努力服从并崇拜他），或者我们将进入天堂，这是我们制造商在场的所有愉悦和舒适的住所。 至于那些大多数人走在正确的道路上却有严重不足的人，他们将在地狱火中燃烧一段时间，但最终上帝会向他们显示怜悯，并接纳他们进入天堂。 一个人在地狱中的痛苦程度和在地狱中度过的时间长短，或者在天堂中的报酬程度（永恒），这与他的信仰（或缺乏信仰）以及他的行为的善良（或缺乏行动）相称，当世界在审判日之前结束时（那个时代将至），万物都会死掉，除了永不死的活人，造物主，所有的赞美荣耀归于他。 后来，大多数人希望他们能死了，而不是面对自己没有做好准备的事情。 我的亚当孩子们，要注意自己，做好准备。 如果您认为其中任何一个都是童话故事，请考虑一下自己的存在以及在计算机屏幕前的真实存在，并考虑一下童话故事本身会显得多少

Yes, the shooting with the AK-47 on the policeman is also to be seen in this art video https://cargocollective.com/lcvonsukmeister/Hoax-The-Archive-II-The-Fredou-Files

One video that widely circulated but was later removed after Charlie Hebdo, was one of the terrorists shooting, with what looked like an Ak47 if my memory is right, an injured policeman in the head at almost zero point range.

IMHO, the video of French Algerian police officer Ahmed Merabet, the 12th casualty of the Charlie Hebdo attack, being killed in front of Nr 58 Boulevard Richard Lenoir, wasn’t a fake. He was shot almost point blank, the weapon wasn’t in automatic mode; that could explain the absence of blood.

What is extraordinary is that the Kouachis managed to flee Paris at all.

The police was on the scene even before the Kouachis got back in their car. Upon calmly leaving Charlie Hebdo, they engaged in the “Allée Verte” narrow street where a police car had already arrived. They shot at it about 15 times; the policemen reversed, abandoned the vehicle and run away.

The Kouachis were so unprepared that at the end of “Allée Verte“, which opens on the very large “Boulevard Richard Lenoir”, made of 4 ways separated by a central green island, they turned left, which is a standard no entry direction. Realizing that they could not re-join the ways heading North because of the green island, they reversed, and apparently had to came back a second time through “Allée Verte” and the crime scene, to this time turn right and finally join the way heading North.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Boulevard+Richard-Lenoir,+75011+Paris,+France/@48.8597733,2.3696251,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47e66dfe906cd575:0xf50b6970f369535f!8m2!3d48.8597698!4d2.3718138

Now who would do that? A driver who did not drive himself there in the first place.

Once in the correct direction, in front of Nr 58, they met with officer Merabet, shot him, got out of the car to finish him off before heading North.

They did not drive far away, crashed their car near Place du Colonel Fabien, left it with their ID inside, confiscated another car from its driver and left Paris.

Astonishingly, these clumsy drivers fled the busy capital city and drove 41 km without the police having the faintest idea how they left Paris, which route they used, or where they spent the following night. It is like the Paris police had no patrols, no radios, no helicopters, no checkpoints, no traffic cameras, and no traffic lights.

The only (official) reason why the Kouachis were finally tracked is because after 24 hours, it occurred to them to shop for food and petrol using a bazooka instead of money.

‘America was always meant to be a sort of outpost for North-West European civilisations, we see this with figures like Madison Grant who vehemently opposed the Nordic character of America being destroyed by the waves of migrations from Southern and Eastern Europe during the late 19th century. In any case, America was intended to be a White nation as shown by the first naturalisation law, the Naturalization Act of 1790….’

Them days — to put it mildly — are dead and gone. You might as well yearn for when Goths dominated the Crimea.

It’s irrelevant. I go for winning — not for glorious defeat.

That means as big a tent as possible while still winning the winnable battles.

完全 不能 have a ‘Northwest European civilization.’ Forget it.

If you quit with the ‘I want what I want when I want it’ and go with ‘what can I get that I have to have’ 也许 we can stop further immigration and put the black man back in his place.

I’ll take that and call it a win. If you won’t, you’re not actually helping.

‘…How do rank falsehoods and distortions hold up as evidence of injury against the original record? We see them by the dozens in this thread alone. Do they really injure anyone but the person who advances them?’

I’m afraid they do injure the targets.

Witness the propaganda campaign that’s been assiduously waged against Muslims and Islam since about 1980. Think it’s had no effect?

The question we have to ask is whether there is any actual injury inflicted by an expression.

That is definitely the secular-framework approach to it. As I stated before, I completely agree – a Muslim minority asking for blasphemy laws to be enacted at this point is not the best approach. In Makkah, you have to take your licks – you may not like it, but you have to take them and bear them with patience because you are in opposition to the majority of the populace. That is part of the struggle. Now, if you have done the work, spent the time bringing the majority of the people of a land to Islam, then the parameters are simply different.

in their proper historical context

You and I both know that the most authentic source texts make it clear that they were riling up the pagan Arabs against Madinah – very stupid move.

That’s not really the primary hadith in question here (as far as the Hanafi school is concerned), the more applicable one is this one reported by Lady Aisha (ra):
“A group of Jews came to Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) and said, ‘As-samu ‘Alaika’ (Death be on you), and I understood it and said to them, ‘Alaikum AsSamu wa-l-la’na (Death and curse be on you).’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Be calm! O Aisha, for Allah loves that one should be kind and lenient in all matters.’ I said. ‘O Allah’s Messenger (pbuh)! Haven’t you heard what they have said?’ Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) said, ‘I have (already) said (to them), ‘Alaikum (upon you).’” – reported in Bukhari

Obviously, the above is a clear indication that the Prophet (pbuh) was insulted to his face (as sovereign of Madinah) and these people committed clear blasphemy and he elected to overlook it.

The Hanafi school (who are likely the most flexible on this issue) has concluded there is 没有义务 to punish one that blasphemes or insults the Prophet (pbuh) and it does not necessitate the breaking of the dhimmah contract unless formulated in it. Furthermore, the school states that any punishment that is formulated as a part is left to the sovereign/government and is flexible enough to include whatever is in the community’s best interest – up to and including (though not necessitating) execution. A fine or imprisonment or public flogging could do just as well as a deterrent. Again, in a Muslim-majority land, we are not talking about a situation where a 5% minority population tries to foist blasphemy laws on a society that is destroying its own churches due to lack of funds to care for them:

法国各地有成千上万的教堂被拆除。

今天，他们正在摧毁萨尔河畔萨布利的圣马丁教堂#France pic.twitter.com/0PRLg02xtF

— ArchitecturalRevival（@Arch_Revival_） 2017 年 7 月 20 日

优先事项。

和平：

Assimilate, resistance is futile. We will all be borg soon.

我是一个言论自由的绝对主义者，但同时，我对穆斯林有一些同情。他们认为在他们认为神圣的事物上拉屎是错误的，我同意，当人们攻击别人的宗教时，他们通常是恶意的。问题是，如果你将保护宗教作为法律问题，任何人都可以要求任何东西被视为神圣。真正令人厌恶的宗教思想和幻想的迫害叙事最终也将受到此类法律的保护。这就是为什么这些类型的法律不应该存在。

Any religion that is so thin skinned that it demands punishment of non-believers is absurdly evil. No matter their excuses… Just like Lysander Spooner said of the Constitution so can be said about Islam or any other violent religion… it is unfit to exist.

Amazing isnt it. You’d imagine they were trying their damndest to get caught but managed to evade everyone.

If you go out during the day and look up in the sky you will see the mighty Ra, the bringer of all life, shining down on good and bad alike. Even your science is starting to awaken, check out luis anchordoqui and eugene chudnovsky. There are more things in heaven and earth, horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

That is definitely the secular-framework approach to it.

And one that happens to be consonant with the Islamic approach to it.

There is a similar burden of proof: an injury-in-fact has to be established.

The Hanafi school (who are likely the most flexible on this issue) has concluded there is no obligation to punish one that blasphemes or insults the Prophet (pbuh) and it does not necessitate the breaking of the dhimmah contract unless formulated in it.

And, as per the 圣训 you cite, there is no evidence of said formulation in the precedent pf administration established by the Prophet — peace and blessings of God be upon him.

While true that the manner of administration is left to the discretion of the 阿米尔, it’s also true that deviation from the gold standard is a fairly simple matter to determine. When, rather than one who properly disdains leadership and, as such, exemplifies the role of a leader, a majority constituency becomes the 阿米尔, such a standard hangs precariously in the balance.

was-salaam。

Here you go again with that Cholo horsehit… The cholos were I live Unz have more in common with blacks than Buchanan…

Brown lives matter …. I am sure that AOC is a great cultural leader. Is your IQ 162 or 62?

Its Anglo Americans who are assimilating into Hispanic culture nowadays in the US. Todays Hispanics are not abandoning their language as immigrants of the past did. Perhaps it’s because they are here in larger numbers; there is a constant influx of them as Latin America is a big and contiguous to the US place, or perhaps because travel and communication with Latin America is today easy; for whatever reason Hispanics today are asserting their culture/language in ways that previous non English speaking immigrants did not. Save for the Chinese who when they were our servant class , we allowed them to keep their language and culture. Today when they want to be educated at Harvard ,they are discriminated against. Not so Hispanics who are privileged at least pandered to throughout media and by politicians. The Muslims in the US today do assimilate; wearing a head scarf does not mean you are not assimilated. Rep Omar is in the tradition of left wing western political activism .

Witness the propaganda campaign that’s been assiduously waged against Muslims and Islam since about 1980. Think it’s had no effect?

I was speaking specifically of the Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam, whose person is no more damaged from that propaganda campaign than is that of Jesus ‘alaihis-salaam by what some bimbo comedienne squawks about him.

The faithful know who they are, and what others may say or write about them that does not reflect that faith, be it respectful or disrespectful, does not reach the faithful, nor does it actually affect Islam in the least. It’s insubstantive.

Yes, there’s a propaganda campaign against us and our faith. It predates 1980 by over two and one half millennia, originating with renegade Levites who wanted to “keep it in the family.”

Has it had an effect? Indeed, it has, though how would we go about prosecuting it?

Estate of Japheth v. Scribes & Pharisees, Inc. has a poetic ring to it. On whom should we serve the subpoena?

Unz has started with divination of supposedly personal motives of interlocutor for his/her positions on anything, instead of dispassionately analyzing the weight of arguments without paying attention to anyone’s imagined personality. In a serious discussion, a personality of an interlocutor does not exist. It could as well been a machine. This, personal-emotional approach is a sure sign of infantile stage of a discussion level.

我们的主

You mean the (pagan) mangod(s) of Christianity? How did you come about this understanding? Since I assume you weren’t around to witness him, you must have acquired this spiritual garba…, er, I mean understanding, from 传闻 accounts, right? Does the idea of an Infinite God as a lowly human make any sense?

Now, consider another land, and it’s equally batshit crazy spiritualities. There are a billion people in a certain sub-continent who also believe in mangods (in fact, Christianity clearly got inspiration of the Trinity from their Trimurti). Since they too do not have any proof of the divinity of their mangods, or even their existence, those delusions are also purely 传闻, right? Do you believe there is some small chance they too may possess the “truth,” like you believe you do?

If not, you think your 传闻 is the absolute truth, and theirs isn’t? Why? Because your degenerate clergy (pedophilia, child abuse, nun abuse, theology abuse…) have been inherently more righteous and honest over the last 20 centuries?

If you think so, I laugh at pagan Islamophobic scum like you.

Sounds like a plan for all civilised countries in fact.

Lol! Good luck with the likes of Charlie Hebdo amongst your “civilised” cesspools!

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The following verses are for the likes of you… the cursed;

Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment. : Holy Quran 2:6-7

Who is that genius who helped you count to 62 in 62 minutes ? Don’t lose him .
No one again out of Cholo will help you again .

“men aged between say eighteen and forty five who are willing and able to fight on behalf of their community设立的区域办事处外，我们在美国也开设了办事处，以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

No. I don’t think muslim men are willing to fight for that (if you mean the “Ummah”), at least in the present age.

What they are willing, is to fight for their True Monotheism, and the blessed Prophet (saw) who showed them the true path (the only path) to the Almighty One.

doesn’t mean they don’t routinely kill/subjugate Christians when the moment arises.

Certainly not as many as the muslims killed/subjugated by the pagan godless of your kind.

As always, the hypocrisy of the rabid pagan Islamophobes is breathtaking.

“ He was shot almost point blank, the weapon wasn’t in automatic mode; that could explain the absence of blood.”

Having witnessed live the effects of an AK47’s bullet go into somebody’s body, I could say with a high degree of assurance that unless it hit a soft part of the body, there is no way it would not result in a splash of blood. If it hit the head as claimed, then I very much doubt the authenticity of the footage.

The second link did not start. I wonder why.

I briefly looked up the two people you mentioned and both are bullshitologists (Cosmology) that believe in black holes, neutron starts, etc. Cosmology went off the rails when it conjured up the Big Bang Theory and has since treated it as though it were fact. These people are chasing unicorns and are not credible.

“……建立在可疑假设之上的理论永远不应成为新理论的基础。”
斯蒂芬·史密斯

The average IQ of all Muslim countries combined is 85. That is the same IQ as of American Blacks, and how cognitive successful are they? You need a certain IQ level to be able to understand contradictions or irony. Allah did not endow his followers with a very high IQ. If you read all the blunders in the Qur’an*), you begin to suspect that Allah himself does not have a very high IQ either…

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*) See : Wikiislam.net, Scientific Errors in the Qur’an.

Your logic is one of an enlightened and tolerant Muslim. Unfortunately many Muslims would disagree with you. In the history of Islam, the calling got many Arabs to convert to Islam but those who resisted and fought against Muslim armies were spared capital punishment if they pronounced the double testimony: there is no God but God and I witness that Mohamed is the prophet of God. Those Muslims who would disagree with your message of tolerance argue that denying the double testimony is blasphemous and thus warrants the punishment that comes with blasphemy.

However, the biggest weakness of Islamic law is the attitude towards apostasy where I have witnessed many Islamic scholars debate the issue with some advocating the death penalty for apostates whereas others refuting the contention. I believe that calling for the execution of the apostate exposes Islam as lacking in confidence in herself for if it is assumed by most Muslims that Islam is a religion of enlightenment, then why should any Muslim worry about the loss of a few apostates since most humans have a tendency to move away from darkness towards the light.

Charlie Hebdo is part of the matrix of control whose main modus opera do is divide and rule. They provoke Muslims to get the hot heads reacting in a way that implicates Muslims as fanatics. Theoretically, it is true that in a secular society one has the right to proclaim any belief irrespective of the sensitivities it might arouse. Wisdom argues that it is best to keep restraint when it comes to matters of religious beliefs and avoid useless provocations.

There seems to be a disconnect between his post and your outburst at him.

Those statistics hit a raw nerve in your pagan godless heart, yeah? The irony is that it is your kind who are the miserable losers… of the spiritual kind.

It must have hurt deep. I am pleased. 😀

这个证据就是智慧生命的存在。你承认有这样的事情存在吗？

现在，你证明了智能生命是从无到有的。

为什么上帝和大写的 C 创造者可以互换使用，这是有明确原因的。

由无知的祭司统治

What “rule by…”? My local imam, or some grand mufti in Egypt or SaudiA, is hardly ruling my spiritual life. I say, God is One, and my spiritual life is mostly complete. We certainly don’t need regular IV drips of how 3is1 makes any sense.

True ignorance is believing a man is “god.”

包里的女人

你们的修女们也因为戴包而感到内疚吗？你是否也鄙视他们？

烦人又喧闹的清真寺

你们异教神庙的铿锵声悦耳吗？

Only the pagan godless think that the call to pray to the One God of all existence is “annoying.” But sure, I can get onboard the idea of lowering the volume in pagan godless societies.

数以百万计的白痴向着

最好在全能的上帝面前屈服，而不是屈服于你们文明污水坑的唯物主义、色情、陶醉、滥交、不谦虚、精神变态的种族至上主义等。

I thought it was already established that “Baron Kaldian” is one of these Curtis Yarvin types; a jevvish or part-jevvish “dark enlightenment” sort whose mission is to do for the dissident right what the neocohens did for the GOP – steer it toward jevvish aims and away from White ones. His message, moniker, and style are certainly consistent with same. Several such cases here at unz.com.

Secularism in the West is dying. Its high point was February 13, 1989. The next day came the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, and I expected massive demonstrations by secularists showing their support for Rushdie. But the only demonstrations consisted of those who wanted him killed. That was a bad sign. It is true that throughout the 90s, there were plenty of statements like yours by our elites, but then came 9/11, and they all were overcome with Islamophilia, and now they don’t talk that way anymore. They have practically made it a crime to speak against Muslims. In Canada, the secular left is allowing the Muslim call to prayer. In Britain, I believe it’s true that one can say anything one likes against Christianity, but you can be jailed for saying something nasty about Muslims.

I’ve given up expecting secularists to stick up for secularism. The vast majority are pushing the West to accept shari’a.

Only the pagan godless think that the call to pray to the One God of all existence is “annoying.” But sure, I can get onboard the idea of lowering the volume in pagan godless societies.

No, I’m pretty sure anyone can find an Arab warbling on over a loudspeaker from a rooftop 一天五次 intensely annoying. In fact, I bet many Muslims find it exceeding tiresome.

I’m not anti-Islam (I don’t want historically Muslim populations in Christendom but my ethnocentrist position is hardly limited to them), but from what little I’ve gathered of the religion so far, this practice is among its most irritating.

Sorry, your comment is drivel. Your command of English is rudimentary. Maybe Unz can help you learn English. He loves immigrants and wants you to come and squat here.
Need welfare? No problemo amigo.. Ron’s got your back!

莫萨德（Mossad）9-11的死刑应该是一个警钟。
你们订阅了伪造的WMD和土狼飞机，这些飞机消失在巴比伦双子塔中，而您的直觉应该已经开始，并告诉您某些事情是不对的。
9-11应该是检验真理的试金石，但您方便地忽略了它。 由于认知失调，您选择了另一种方式。
您遵循布什的命令，进行了一次疯狂的消费，增加了更多的信用卡债务，并且利息很高，以撒旦的阴谋集团为食。
在所有这些关于恐怖的虚假战争和无休止的骗局中，您无意中支持了犹太复国主义者的撒旦式的推动世界混乱的努力。
在这一点上，您所能做的就是为自己的罪恶pent悔，并开始反击负责策划所有这些虚假的反恐战争的犯罪企业，并在al-CIA-da的帮助下制造出这些可怕的，恶毒的，险恶的ISISraHELL。和MOSSAD。
另一种选择是坐下来，享受比您附近9-11大的烟花，同时他们为他们的上主伊斯拉·黑尔（Yzwehell）为他们的上主-反基督的达杰尔的到来做准备。
无论哪种方式，都可以与这些恶魔般的，完全精神病的，恶性的，险恶的，病理性的撒谎者和大地的堕落者一起坐上云霄飞车。 种瓜得瓜，种豆得豆。

有个谎言。 然后是一个大谎言。 然后是911。圣诞老人超越了LIE。 Tel LIE视察911 EvangeLIED正在通过欺骗的方式乘车，以为耶稣基督为他们的邪恶而死。 每个人都必须为进入天堂或在地狱之火中永久居留的善举或罪恶负责。

关于9/11的令人毛骨悚然的事情以及前后都出现的许多次要的虚假标志是，尽管大多数美国人都知道它像一张三美元半的美联储备用注，但每个人似乎都满足于付诸表决。它旨在制造极其电话化的“反恐战争”，已经摧毁了世界上所有国家的一臂之力，造成超过9万人被谋杀，主要是使用美军，使美国成为了无情的疯狂警察该州规定所有人都以“紧急状态”的名义遵守明显违法的法规，而统治精英则完全放弃遵守任何法律，而聚集了庞大的军事力量，以养活现在动荡不安，愤慨不平的公众。 –更多信息请见：克里斯托弗·博兰（Christopher Bollyn）：解决问题的人11/XNUMX

一个允许一个男人拥有五个或更多妻子的宗教不可能这么糟糕。想象一下，周一到周五你可以从不同的妻子那里得到你想要的一切。周六是做家务的一天，周日是休息的一天。好处是纳税人不仅为你和你的女士们买单，还为你资助的所有其他亲戚买单，提供住房、食品券、福利和免受允许他们来到这里的白人特权的保护。妈的，如果他们说你或安拉的坏话，法律的长臂就会伸向他们。没有什么是大剂量的监禁不能解决的。

一种能够提供所有这些以及更多的宗教是非常值得皈依的！

哈哈！

The following 2 blessed souls were just like you;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/24/far-right-german-politician-converts-islam-alternative-fur-deutschland

Former far-right Dutch politician converts to Islam

See, He wills what He wills…

...， Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. : Holy Quran 24:35

Now, they are humbled.

You? … only the Almighty knows. Good luck! You are going to need it! 😉

《古兰经》中的100条生活指令

quite possibly far worse than that of the Japanese,

Dunno, Ron. The Japanese set an awfully high bar. Try reading up sometime on their conduct in China from ’37 t0 ’45…….

Moreover, that scale of atrocities, particularly against the Germans, actually continued after the end of the war, including starving to death huge numbers of surrendered POWs.

Dear God, Ron, are you still pushing James Bacque’s rubbish?

even before the obviously illegal atomic bombings of two large cities.

I hope that this doesn’t mean that you are OK with destroying cities (Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, etc) with conventional explosives….

Freeman Dyson had some interesting observations on the British Terror Bombing campaign in WW2:

还需要注意的是，许多“别动队”实际上并不是德国人，而是穿着德国/武装党卫军制服的内务人民委员部。

根据斯大林的第 0428 号命令，即“火炬手命令”，内务人民委员部被授权穿上德国制服，最好是武装党卫军制服，然后“摧毁距离主城约 40 至 60 公里范围内的所有定居点。战线并无情地杀害平民。” 标准程序是让一两个人活着讲述这个故事，从而创造了德国暴行的传说

你可以在这里读更多关于它的内容：

https://historicaltribune.wordpress.com/2016/09/21/stalins-order-0428-a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words-is-it-really/

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5804

更多信息，包括斯大林的一些其他特殊命令：

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=talin%E2%80%99s+Order+%230428+%E2%80%93+a+picture+is+worth+a+thousand+words%E2%80%A6+is+it+really%3F&t=h_&ia=web

值得注意的是，照片中的很多“德国人”“看起来”不像德国人，即太斯拉夫。 还指出并且非常有趣的是，在一张照片中，“德国人”使用的是俄罗斯托卡列夫 7.62×25 ，而不是标准问题 Walther 或 Luger 9mm parabellum。 换句话说，除非用户是俄罗斯人/NKVD，否则不太可能发生。

战争是一件肮脏的事情，在战争中没有人的手是完全干净的。 但是，您读到的许多/大多数德国暴行故事都只是，要以大量怀疑态度来考虑的故事。

希望这有帮助！

仅仅是一个想法。

维克B3

Again, this makes an a priori assumption that a political act and religious act are mutually exclusive. Which is a distinction Islam simply refuses to concede from the outset and which is why liberalism has the rest of the religions against the ropes – they let them define the terms and parameters,

Oddly, this makes my point about Islam being a political system. Muslims insisting on Sharia law being applied in non-Muslim countries is a political statement. As with any religion, the assumption that the word of God/Allah/YHWH/Shiva/Gi’itchi Manitou etc. is the only truth is what creates the problem in today’s world, and always has.
I fully concede that liberalism, at least liberalism in its form of the last 60 – 70 years, has decimated many religions. However, whether Islam in the West, or Christianity in China, insistence that the majority change for the minority, will always be problematic. Short of psychopaths, who exist everywhere and in more numbers than people would care to admit, societies generally function well on the “golden rule” – do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Do as you wish in private matters between individuals of the same religion, just demand that I have to conform to your rules in public matters.

Actually, I was wrong. It was the Mayans, not Aztecs. In any event whether Mesopotania, which may be Arab now, but who know what it was in antiquity, zero was introduced to themselves first. Any theory or invention is always introduced to the local population first.

I doubt the Romans did this. If I remember, they used these things for recording not for actual calculating.

The concept of a number needs to be visualized, whether it is recorded or not. If you have a known number of something, you visualize that in the script in which you normally know, whether it is written or not.

Did you first use Arabic numerals then convert to Roman?

While in school, we did learn what the numerals were, and simple calculations in Roman numerals, it was always from the perspective of translation. Unless people are fully bilingual, there is a always some sort of translation in your thought processes in another language. I am not bilingual in Latin, but do know Latin languages have many words derived from centum – 100 or C. Mille (M) is 1000. No clue why I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, or D=500. I did recognize immediately that 123 was CXXIII, and 14 was XIV. Multiplying by ten (X) will change the C to M, X to C, etc. However, a Chinese would likely translate the Arabic numbers to Chinese to calculate, then translate back to Arabic.

It has been known for over 50 years that mathematics and language are processed in the same part of the brain, irrespective of the characters or language. Like language, mathematics has patterns.

The British public at that time still had bitter memories of World War I, when German armies brought untold misery and destruction to other people’s countries, but German civilians never suffered the horrors of war in their own homes.

So, the British public had bitter memories of suffering in WWI pretty much what the German public suffered, and that, in their minds, justified the German public suffering horrors in WWII that the British public neither suffered, nor could even imagine.

知道了

This is your brain on judenpresse, goy.

The British mostly supported Sir Arthur’s ruthless bombing of cities, not because they believed that it was militarily necessary, but because they felt it was teaching German civilians a good lesson.

Never get high on the jevvish supply…

I asked her whether she really believed that it was right to kill German women and babies in large numbers at that late stage of the War. She answered, “Oh yes. It is good to kill the babies especially. I am not thinking of this war but of the next one, 20 years from now. The next time the Germans start a war and we have to fight them, those babies will be the soldiers.” After fighting Germans for ten years, four in the first war and six in the second, we had become almost as bloody-minded as Sir Arthur.

God forbid the Brits take a look at their own leadership, or just stop fighting wars in jevvish/oligarch interests. I don’t think I’ll ever buy their (and yankee-judeans’) cope on this; Germany was effectively never going to be able to mount a naval invasion of Britain, but this specter is how Brits (and many American Anglophiles) delude themselves into buying the (((globalists’))) rationalizations for why Britain always had to “voluntarily” involve itself in continental wars. It’s almost sad, how the cancer of civilizational ennui affords no White nation an advantage; Germany is psychologically prostrate, but if she 为 to try to conquer Europe militarily today, nobody this side of eastern Europe would be able to mobilize a population to fight against her (and the reverse is just as true).

This is a rather thoughtful reply. Though it’s not addressed directly to me, I hope you don’t mind my addressing it.

Your logic is one of an enlightened and tolerant Muslim. Unfortunately many Muslims would disagree with you. In the history of Islam, the calling got many Arabs to convert to Islam but those who resisted and fought against Muslim armies were spared capital punishment if they pronounced the double testimony: there is no God but God and I witness that Mohamed is the prophet of God.

Well, no, they were still given the option of retaining their faith with the provision that they pay the 吉济, which, contrary to many claims here, was not prescribed in excess of the Muslims’ 扎卡特. In exchange for this payment, their lives and property received protection and they were exempt from military service.

However, the biggest weakness of Islamic law is the attitude towards apostasy where I have witnessed many Islamic scholars debate the issue with some advocating the death penalty for apostates whereas others refuting the contention. I believe that calling for the execution of the apostate exposes Islam as lacking in confidence in herself for if it is assumed by most Muslims that Islam is a religion of enlightenment, then why should any Muslim worry about the loss of a few apostates since most humans have a tendency to move away from darkness towards the light.

I’ve addressed this very same issue many times and find myself in complete agreement with what you say.

Capital punishment was never carried out for the “offense” of simple apostasy in the lifetime of the Prophet. There is a saying attributed to the Prophet which originally reads “One who changes the religion, kill him,” The imperative was intended for the Prophet’s companions, who, upon succeeding the Prophet as political administrators, would encounter renegades raising a false flag of Islam, vying for ultimate representation of the religion. At such an early stage, allowing those renegades to prevail would have been fatal to the religion itself.

When Islam later became an instrument of imperial dominion, the definite article of that 圣训 was substituted for the possessive pronoun “his,” rendering simple apostasy a capital offense. My favorite teacher referred to this ruling as a “hypocrite-maker.”

Charlie Hebdo is part of the matrix of control whose main modus opera do is divide and rule. They provoke Muslims to get the hot heads reacting in a way that implicates Muslims as fanatics. Theoretically, it is true that in a secular society one has the right to proclaim any belief irrespective of the sensitivities it might arouse. Wisdom argues that it is best to keep restraint when it comes to matters of religious beliefs and avoid useless provocations.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

In a secular society, whether you like it or not, religion defines self, not nation or country.

We have to define these terms clearly from the onset. When we speak of “nation,” the word also connotes a diaspora, a people bound not by geopolitical boundaries, but by ethnic and/or religious ones. As such, in a secular society such as America, there ，那恭喜你， nations defined by a common religion. Call them communities, associations, churches, temples, societies, or whatever you’d like. Pragmatically, they’re akin to nations.

America has made a contract with any living under its aegis. That contract states that its government is not allowed to prohibit the free exercise of anyone’s religion. Of course, this has eroded significantly with time, but America still retains this distinction among many other countries. Religious folk, whether individually or as a collective, are entirely free to avail of the contract to practice their religion and/or influence law with respect to their religious convictions as they are able to do (e.g. 蓝色法律).

Federalism was supposed to allow for the relative autonomy of states, which could just as easily be distinguished by religious difference. It wasn’t intended to shoulder the states with an anti-religious ultimatum.

“ steer it toward jevvish aims”

You flatter yourself that anyone gives two craps to “steer” you anywhere. Marginal people, no money, rarely if ever vote, no influence, barred from all polite society. Toxic to even associate with you.

Your main impact on anything is you get trotted out by the MSM for a freak show in order to smear quality people like Trump Bannon and Miller.

浪费你的时间，凯文，和一个无神论者说话。
与共产党谈话时的情况完全相同。

Wikiislam.net : Islam and violence.

I seem to get a lot of English lovers correcting my spellling on this website. Usually, I will search for the etymology of whatever word they corrected my spelling for, and discover that my “misspelling” was closer to the original (usually Greek or Latin) word.

The English term empirical derives from the Ancient Greek word ἐμπειρία, empeiria, which is cognate with and translates to the Latin experientia, from which the words experience and experiment are derived.

And indeed, the original Middle English spelling was emperiqe, back when the English were at least logically trying to imitate their civilizational betters:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empiric#etymology%7CMirriam

History and Etymology for empiric

中古英语 emperiqe “physician in ancient Greece and Rome who held that treatment should be based on observation rather than theory,” borrowed from Latin empīricus, empēricus, borrowed from Greek empeirikós, derivative of empeirikós, adjective, “based on observation (of medical treatment), experienced,” from empeiría “experience, practice” (derivative of émpeiros “experienced, practiced,” from em- EN- entry 2 + -peiros, derivative of peîra “attempt, trial, test”) + -ikos -IC entry 1; peîra going back to *per-i̯a, derivative of a verbal base *per- perhaps going back to Indo-European *per- “cross, pass” — more at FARE entry 1

I rest my case. The modern English and French languages are an attempt to imitate civilization by a people who can logically have few or none of the genetic mutations responsible for building and maintaining a civilization, as their ancestors spent most of their existences living as remote nonliterate savages. The English language, and also French, used to be somewhat closer to a logical interpretation of history, but at some point something went horribly wrong (probably even more incest than was already the norm) and we arrived at such disgusting and illogical spellings as “empirical”.

So yeah you’ve got the lexicon memorized but what you don’t understand is that it is garbage and much of what you believe has no historical grouding or basis in logic. Whereas people like me speak a pure language just by having a mind that is better adjusted to reality.

All that shows is the similarity between Islam and garden-variety Fascism. Hitler loved Mohammed.

Try staging a production of the ‘Black and White Minstrel Show’ – which, as recently as the 1960s, held the record for the biggest box office take in the history of the British theatre – at a leading West End theatre, and then you will know, for sure, all about blasphemy laws.

The upshot is that it’s all about who holds the power.

The British Head of State – Her Majesty, the Queen – can be mocked, insulted, ridiculed, calumniated, libelled etc in the most vile, disgusting, filthy ways possible by any shit cunt of a two bit lefty ‘comedian’ with complete immunity, but dare to ‘put on blackface’ and sing ‘Camptown Races’ – you might as well just kill yourself first.

Thank you for this serious reply.

“ Well, no, they were still given the option of retaining their faith with the provision that they pay the jizyah, which, contrary to many claims here, was not prescribed in excess of the Muslims’ zakat. In exchange for this payment, their lives and property received protection and they were exempt from military service.”

I don’t know if the principle of Jizyah was applied to the Christians of Arabia who were mostly Nestorian and at odds with other Christians of the trinity creed. Jizyah was surely applied in the Levant with the Christians and the Jews who both had, as per Koranic verses, a special status as People of the Book. Jizyah was not applied to the Zarathustrian Persians, where mass executions of the defeated Persian Army were performed by the conquering Muslim armies to put Persia in a state of shock and awe; here I do not attempt to pin bloody behavior on Muslims only as I can say with the same certainty that some of the Christian armies during the Crusades were no less brutal. Though it is an accepted historic fact that the tribe of Tughlub who were Christians before the Islamic calling and one of the biggest Arab tribes, converted to Islam in Arabia not by conviction in as much as by seeking self preservation only to revert back to their old creed soon after the death of the prophet. The punishment was swift and Omar Bin Al Aass sent his troops to wreak havoc upon them. Here I do not pin such behavior on Islam as a religion but rather on political Islam which was by and large commandeered by people from a staunchly tribal and sometimes nomadic background.

And your mentioning of the Hadith goes to the heart of the matter as a source of Islamic confusion for this book included so many texts attributed falsely to the prophet when they were the personal views of the writer who was commissioned by the rulers to add whatever would be in the latter’s interests.

Overall, how French Muslims act in what is becoming a multicultural, secular republic will define the legacy of Islam as a religion that can seamlessly coexist with other religions and cultures on the European stage.

What I find incredible is that any normal, grown person should find any of these cartoons even mildly amusing. The customers of this garbage is a stunted deformed mental dwarf stuck in some derranged, pre-pubescent, sociopathic pathology. And I mean that, completely sepparately from all the blasphemy aspects, the pictures are even meant to invoke.

The cartoons are as disturbing as if the creepiest and stupidest dweeb in 6th grade would get back at a teacher who correctly admonished him for being creepy by drawing a groteske and desturbing picture of her. This is the work of a frustrated and desturbed psychopath.

I of course don’t mean to imply that the people running these operations are not agets trying to provoke these communities.

Jizyah was not applied to the Zarathustrian Persians, where mass executions of the defeated Persian Army were performed by the conquering Muslim armies to put Persia in a state of shock and awe … Though it is an accepted historic fact that the tribe of Tughlub who were Christians before the Islamic calling and one of the biggest Arab tribes, converted to Islam in Arabia not by conviction in as much as by seeking self preservation only to revert back to their old creed soon after the death of the prophet. The punishment was swift and Omar Bin Al Aass sent his troops to wreak havoc upon them.

Would you mind sharing your source material for these claims?

First of all, unless the Persians tenaciously refused to subordinate themselves to Islamic administration, whether as Zoroastrians subject to 吉济 or Muslims subject to 扎卡特, they wouldn’t have been put to the sword.

Second, I find nothing in our primary source material to corroborate the “accepted historic fact” you cite. There’s no evidence the Banu Taghlib converted to Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet. There is, however, evidence that they fought on the side of renegades during the Ridda Wars and later shifted allegiance to the Muslims while remaining Christian — an allegiance that exempted them from the 吉济.

(At the risk of being pedantic, it’s ‘Amr ibn al-‘As.)

Wikiislam ? LOL. You will loose all your credibility if you do not research your facts right.

Amen brother. I too see no need to insult each other’s religious traditions gratuitously (as you mentioned, the chosenites are in their own category so far as this goes, but hey jews are gonna jew), so let’s separate (which means muslims get sent back to their various countries of origin), so that there’s less chance of friction.

There is no doubt that the Americas are a different situation. Nation has its origins in French and Latin. https://www.etymonline.com/word/nation
Because there were different races (German, French, Scots, Irish etc were considered races as well) arriving to create the new countries, nation evolved into a group of people living in a geographic area that have a shared experience. The shared experience did not have, necessarily the same effect on all. In that sense, the US has been a nation for some time. It is only recently, relatively speaking, that the differences in the effects of the shared experience have been emphasized. Until this trend is stopped, things will get worse, not better. My problem with words like community is that they no longer refer to a geographic location, but an ethnic population. That is the poison of multiculturalism. It erases the nation.

A very simple example of different effects of the same experience is the World Series or Super Bowl. Huge numbers of people engage, but the outcome of those games is felt differently depending on the level of engagement and loyalties, and more importantly, there are no riots.

Nice alternate reality you have there. In the real world, WNs are the regime’s bogeyman. It’s pretty clear we’re the only thing the regime actually fears. We stalk their nightmares. You? Don’t make me laugh; you’re working for them, kosher controlled oppo, running around polishing the brass on the Titanic. Everything they do and say is designed to prevent us. To the point that they’re making the classic, ham-handed blunder of destroying free speech for everyone because us. You think they give a shit about you or your kosher conservatism or the GOP or libertardianism, etc? If you do you’re delusional.

Actually, I take that back – it 不 a blunder. I think they’ve correctly calculated that it’s the better of two bad choices. They couldn’t just ignore us and hope for the best anymore.

“Quality people like Trump Bannon and Miller”

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Source for the massacres of Persian army : Dr. Ashraf Ezzat author of the book : Egypt Knew no Pharaos nor Israelites. This was an independent article on his site where he describes an incident that took place in Asfahan.

Source of the Bani Tughlub treatment as apostates: Father Zakaria Boutros, an Egyptian Coptic cleric and erudite in Islamic history though known for his anti Islamic pronouncements. Yet for the sake of objectivity, I should mention that he always referenced his statements to books written by Muslim writers.

Please note that my previous comment was not made with any hostile intention towards Islam but rather to shed light on the excesses that are usually perpetrated by political leaders in the name of religion. That said, I state my position against forced secularisation such as what has taken hold of European society in the nineteenth and early twentieth century.

Not to mention that your argument is self-refuting; Yarvin manifestly has tried to steer the “dark enlightenment” toward jevvish interests, e.g., by downplaying jevvish power, calling the regime “the Cathedral” when “the Synagogue” is obviously more apropos, blathering on about “Calvinists” and other such nonsense, time-sink spergery like Monarchism, etc.

People like you and Jack D and others manifestly do spend substantial amounts of time here protecting jevvish interests.

So jevvs obviously do think the dissident right worth infiltrating and subverting.

Source for the massacres of Persian army : Dr. Ashraf Ezzat author of the book : Egypt Knew no Pharaos nor Israelites. This was an independent article on his site where he describes an incident that took place in Asfahan.

Ezzat, for what it’s worth, harbors deep animus against religion in general, and Islam is certainly no exception. The fact that he references the notoriously polemic wikiislam tells me quite a bit. That said, I’m not averse to accepting any account as authentic regardless of the referencing party. It’s important, however, to separate the details of the account from the polemic that accompanies it.

Re: The conquest of Isfahan. The claim is that Persians who fought the Muslims there were put to the sword without being offered the standard terms of capitulation.

There’s simply no information to support this claim. The Persians who did battle with Muslims were uniformly aware of those terms well before engaging them. Any killing of them would have been as a result of their unequivocal rejection of those terms even after defeat, and there 为 Persians who considered this an honorable death.

Source of the Bani Tughlub treatment as apostates: Father Zakaria Boutros, an Egyptian Coptic cleric and erudite in Islamic history though known for his anti Islamic pronouncements. Yet for the sake of objectivity, I should mention that he always referenced his statements to books written by Muslim writers.

Unfortunately for Boutrous, there’s nothing in our primary source material to support his claim. Neither did the Bani Taghlib convert to Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet, nor were they compelled to change their religion when fighting alongside Muslims.

Please note that my previous comment was not made with any hostile intention towards Islam but rather to shed light on the excesses that are usually perpetrated by political leaders in the name of religion.

Of course, and my own question was likewise intended in good spirit. I’m inclined to give well mannered people the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I state my position against forced secularisation such as what has taken hold of European society in the nineteenth and early twentieth century.

Thank you for so doing. Take care.

Thank you for your balanced reply.

It has been more than fifty years that I engaged myself in the history of the Islamic conquest and I can humbly say that my memory is sketchy at best.

I appreciate your take on my references for I took the habit to always seek to see the other side of the coin. History is an endless debate and one can never stop learning.

I look forward to further correspondence with you on matters of common interest.

66% of Muslims believe it is right to prosecute Charlie Hebdo for publishing such cartoons, as against only 21% for the general population.

Did anyone read this article? There is twice the same figure with “Question 2”. So that the 66% figure is not supported.

太糟糕了。

Hi Olivier ; well-spotted.

Did you happen to follow up the on-going Charlie Hebdo trial, with a rag-tag of petty criminals and social destitute in the dock, who all seem to have no real clue about the core event?

It appears that the Kouachi brothers had done no reconnaissance of the future crime scene: they first went to a wrong building, and then once inside the correct one, were initially led to the wrong floor by the terrorised cartoonist Coco, who finally let them in by opening the door access code.

Charlie was a weekly magazine, holding one weekly editorial meeting, and had been under strict secretive protection measures for years. Considering this, you’d think it was extremely suspicious that the clueless Kouachis managed to hurtle into the editorial room just at the precise time of the week so many prestigious individuals were gathered.

One would think the inquiry would be keen on finding out who or how this timing information was obtained. But apparently, no, I couldn’t find any mention of the subject in any article. Did you? Best.

Diversity means different.

Unz megaposting isn’t “protecting Jewish interests” nor is yours fighting it. You also greatly overestimate how much I care. I have a great deal of pride in my partial AJ ancestry to be sure, per capita no people are as intelligent or accomplished.

But it isn’t likely I’ll reproduce with a Jewess, and my nephews, cousins, and cousins’ children are overwhelmingly non-AJ white by blood. To the extent I’m motivated by spreading my tribe’s blood, it is mostly and increasingly Anglo-germanic midwestern, with an increasingly dilute kiss of the ancient Levant.

You should read the Qur’an more carefully.

Did you do it? I have a doubt, a serious doubt. Here is what you are calling “truth and justice and compassion”.

4:56. Those who reject Our revelations—We will scorch them in a Fire. Every time their skins are cooked, We will replace them with other skins, so they will experience the suffering. God is Most Powerful, Most Wise.

Many examples of assassinations, mass killings, rapes, plunders, etc.

Yeah, great example of “truth and justice and compassion”.

Nor did I.

If they wanted to know anything, they would have taken the terrorists alive (same with Merrah). Obviously better dead than alive. No question asked.

Another question: why did this coco open the door? If she would not have been late… and a coward…

4:56. Those who reject Our revelations

The term in Arabic — kafaru — should be translated as “Those who deny,” not “Those who reject.”

The difference is not slight, as the term denotes a rejection of God’s Signs in consciousness of their truth. It’s the difference between one rejecting the existence of something because he hasn’t seen proof of it and his rejecting its existence while the proof is evident to him — the latter is 叛教.

The verse describes their fate after death, not before. It’s not a prescription for meting out worldly punishment.

Many examples of assassinations, mass killings, rapes, plunders, etc.

Rapes? Not hardly.

Assassinations? Very few in the early years, yet strategically brilliant given the circumstances.

Mass killings? That’s what a stubborn enemy gets when he starts a fight he can’t win.

Plunders? That’s how a sore loser understands “To the victor go the spoils.” And where Muslims arranged a treaty of protection, they didn’t touch private property.

As-salaamu 'alaikum！

The Qur’an informs us that its descriptions of Paradise (and by extension Hellfire) are metaphorical (mathal).

Brother Kevin, to which 阿亚特 do you refer?

The answer is NO…..in my case and I’m Arabisch…..

you’re confusing propaganda with reality….Sharia is a war propaganda concept just like burka 72 virgins and Jihajoe…

I couldn’t agree more! Being a product of post colonial cheap labor migration myself.

If they wanted to know anything, they would have taken the terrorists alive (same with Merrah). Obviously better dead than alive. No question asked.

Indeed. It would have been dead easy to incapacitate Merah with sleeping gases, trapped as he was in his tiny ground floor flat, and catch him alive.
But he would have spilled the beans about how he’d been working as an informer for French intelligence services, who in agreement with the Israelis, sent him on a trip to Israel to impress the Islamist organisations he was poised to infiltrate.

http://www.slate.fr/story/52297/mohamed-merah-informateur

But the best part of the Merah execution is that after the Toulouse killing, while he was locked in his tiny flat and surrounded by 80+ police officers posted in secret surveillance, he managed to escape totally unnoticed from the only other door at the back of the building, phoned a girlfriend from a telephone booth to ask whether he could crash at her place, then came back through the same back door and into his flat without anybody noticing.

I am not joking, by the way. This comedy-club-like sequence of events really happened before the “number one public enemy” got conveniently shot and silenced.

Another question: why did this coco open the door? If she would not have been late… and a coward…

This is a smart question. Cartoonist Coco (real name Corinne Rey and mother to a young child at the time) draws sympathy because she composed the access code and let the Kouachis in under the threat of being herself shot.

She had just left the editorial meeting which was lingering and turning nasty, had gone down the stairs to have a cigarette and met the Kouachis just as they had entered the building and shot maintenance technician Frédéric Boisseau who knew nothing about Charlie’s offices.

So Coco’s appearance was extremely timely, synchronized to favor a maximum impact, because the Kouachis would have otherwise wasted a lot of time finding Charlie’s offices. The noise they were making in the process would have raised the alarm and alerted the victims, including policeman Franck Brinsolaro, the editor’s bodyguard, who was certainly armed.

https://www.la-croix.com/France/Charlie-Hebdo-temoignage-bouleversant-Coco-2020-09-09-1201113019

While Hans-Wehr does include “metaphor” under the entry for mathal, Ibn Kathir renders the term as “description,” and the preponderant view is that both the Garden and the Fire as presented in The Qur’an are not merely figurative descriptions.

An example of the Garden that is promised to the cautious: The rivers flow beneath it, its harvest and shade are everlasting; this is the reward of those who were cautious, while the reward of denial is the Fire. [13：35]

在这里，术语 mathal is best translated as “example” in that it is intended to call attention to the Garden as being incomparable to any of ephemeral experience.

Had either the Garden or the Fire been understood as merely figurative, I do not imagine the effect of such 阿亚特 upon the earliest generations would have proven to be as profound as it had been.

was-salaam。

It’s called: British Islam. Black is the color of death and the symbolism in black burka wearing women is not very Islamic. Walking Body bags. Very British humor.

“Between Muslims and non Muslims”? That’s why the Saudis bomb Arab Muslims……bcz religion really matters.

Gold Oil and Diamonds.

Nice try though….

These creatures aren’t North Africans!!! They move like European hooligans! You can’t fake body language

At some point the invaders/settlers will all have to go, otherwise Europe will not survive. Spaniards did it in the past, now the second round is coming. And I mean ALL of them including Jews.