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我的祝贺,朋友和读者! 塔利班的胜利是我们的胜利,你的也是我的。 我们,美国和欧洲的非穆斯林和非普什图族人,可能会欢欣鼓舞,因为在阿富汗,男子气概(非“有毒”)战胜了性别多样性,信徒战胜了那些信仰薄弱的人,我们父亲的道德战胜了我们儿子的道德。 这是阿富汗胜利的纯粹喜悦; 留着胡子的男人对性别多样化的屠夫东道主和他们的女权主义非政府组织的胜利也是我们的胜利。 不要以做一个有男子气概的人为耻; 站得高! 这是一股清新的空气,这是亚历山大大帝方阵在远山上取得的男子气概; 写比平常的东西要好得多,尤其是在这段时间被另一位老人死于可怕病毒、绿色护照、关于如何活得更久的医学建议、为我们祖先的罪行,错误的种族以及如何避免微攻击以免有人感到受伤。 如果我们,男人,想伤害某人,我们不会止步于玩笑,我们会去玩 RPG。

Talibs 喜欢的那种 RPG 火箭发射器真的很伤人。 这不是一种想象中的不适感,而是盔甲上的一个真正的破洞。 或者一个被撕掉的头。 它的交付没有任何微观。 你在战场上不需要面具,因为面具不会阻止发射的火箭。 当你遇到真正的子弹时,你不会担心病毒。 在战场上,不会出现中性厕所的问题。 Twitter 不能禁止机枪,但机枪可以驱逐 Twitter 和整个 Twitter 团伙。 塔利班击败了沃克里; 他们并不像我们一样害怕政治不正确。 塔利班并不像我们一样害怕敬拜上帝和呼求他。 他们并不害怕代表家庭价值观——他们甚至不明白这会有什么不同。

塔利班是比尔盖茨、格蕾塔通贝里、安东尼福奇、南希佩洛西的真正强大民主和自由的先驱,他们都奴役了我们。 他们不会屈服于这群人; 他们会对那些想要剥夺我们供暖的人进行革命正义,他们会遮蔽太阳并用他们的面具使我们窒息。 特朗普总统嫉妒地看着这些叛乱分子实际上占领了总统府,而不是在 6 月 XNUMX 日被指控这样做。

这些武装农民提醒我们,我们仍然可以改变世界。 没有必要提交。 所有的游戏规则都可以重写; 整个游戏都可以被抛弃。 常态,可以恢复传统的规范。

这是一个双赢的事情:一方面,我不认为美国被击败或拜登总统犯了错误。 远非如此。 结束对外国领土的占领是一种崇高的行为。 这对拜登来说是一场真正的胜利,战胜了深州,战胜了犹太游说团。 如果这取决于大厅、纽约时报和中央情报局,美国将永远不会离开阿富汗。 阅读纽约时报的布雷特斯蒂芬斯(这里是 非付费文本),这是大堂的原汁原味。 斯蒂芬斯是一名新保守派和犹太父母的儿子(尽管假定姓氏是外邦人),他曾是该杂志的主编 “耶路撒冷邮报” 在起义时期,美化了以色列占领的恐怖。 斯蒂芬斯哀叹美国的“失败”,并声称美国应该永远留在阿富汗。 他最好的论点如下:“但我们不是必须在某个时候离开阿富汗吗? 于是就有了反驳。 是的,尽管我们已经在韩国生活了 71 年,但成本要高得多,而且世界因它而变得更好。” 傻男人! 朝鲜没有美军,世界会更好; 南北将联合起来,在那里花的钱可以支付美国人的教育和健康费用。

新保守派是深州的主人,他们永远不会允许特朗普离开阿富汗,因为他们破坏了他离开叙利亚的温和企图。 现在特朗普可以为喀布尔机场丑陋的场景批评拜登,但说实话,离开没有什么好办法,既不是一个被占领的国家,也不是一个和你一起生活了二十年的女人。 如果您决定离开,请准备好接受很多丑陋的肮脏。 从越南撤军也很丑陋,但当时是正确的决定,现在也是正确的决定。

想想奥斯威辛,绝对是一个严酷的地方。 当德国人不得不离开时,数百名犹太人跟随他们向西(大屠杀作家埃利·威塞尔(Elie Wiesel)也在其中)。 他们害怕红军来解放他们,更喜欢他们认识的德国人。 这就是为什么我对很多阿富汗人想跟随美军到别处感到惊讶:他们害怕解放者。

对于占领政权的狂热支持者来说,情况可能会很艰难。 当纳粹离开法国时,许多合作者入狱,其中一些被法国爱国者处以私刑。 但这并不意味着让法国被占领会更好。

拜登命令美国离开阿富汗是正确的。 他在反对他的军队、他的情报部门和整个深州的诉求方面表现出了很大的毅力。 我必须承认,今天我对拜登总统的尊重比退出前要多得多。 我更加尊重他对英国贵宾犬的出色反应。 英国政治家抱怨拜登“在那里流了很多血之后”决定退出。 拜登回答说,如果英国愿意,他们可以留在阿富汗。 他们有这个选择,留下来。 只是没有美国的支持。 美国不想再当世界警察了。

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顺便说一下,英国是唯一有兴趣留在那里的北约成员国, 约翰逊承认。 反对党工党的新老板基尔·斯塔默(在科尔宾被反犹太主义的污蔑赶走后上任)与约翰逊一样强烈反对拜登。 嗯,英国人喜欢战争。 他们将不情愿的美国推入一战和二战,最近他们试图在克里米亚海域采取一些行动。 拜登不是一个好打的人,这很好; 不像威尔逊和罗斯福那样容易。

现在拜登有机会指挥美军从伊拉克和叙利亚撤军; 幸运的是,来自其他国家,来自韩国和菲律宾,甚至来自德国和英国。 这对美国人民会非常好; 也许我们还会看到鲍里斯·约翰逊爬上美国驻伦敦大使馆格罗夫纳广场大楼的屋顶,在英国人把他靠在墙上之前乘坐最后一架直升机飞往美国航空母舰。

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这并不是要削弱塔利班的胜利。 他们取得了令人难以置信的壮举:在几天内,他们结束了二十年战争。 是的,这是个好消息:漫长的阿富汗战争正式结束。 它始于 2001 年美国入侵。 上周日,也就是 15 月 XNUMX 日,美国的门徒、阿富汗前总统阿什拉夫·加尼 (Ashraf Ghani) 带着四车现金前往阿联酋。

历史的天使遵守了 三重统一规则 经典戏剧:动作统一、地点统一、时间统一。 有一天,权力转入反叛分子手中——在坎大哈,在马扎里沙里夫,最后在喀布尔。 即将到来的“喀布尔之战”的世界末日预期并未实现——新政府几乎没有开枪就进入了总统府。

这一历史性转折的最显着快照出现在周一。 他们不是在宫殿里带着火箭筒或圣战者的战士。 这些是早上去学校的喀布尔女孩。 他们披着白头巾,背着背包,像往常一样去上学。

两天后,一段更精彩的视频出现在总统府前,几位女性维权人士走上街头,举着标语牌示威。 这可能是他们相信不会受到干扰的最清楚的证明。 事实上,尽管这些女士的口号在巨大的动荡中显得很愚蠢,但确实没有人打扰他们。

为美国国务院服务的女权主义者夸大了阿富汗女性歧视的话题,当时有必要为侵略和夺取这个独立国家辩护。 阿富汗妇女的地位与巴基斯坦或沙特阿拉伯妇女的地位不太可能有很大不同——但没有人会急于在那里登陆。 英国和美国的鹰派经常用所谓的虐待妇女和同性恋者来为“人道主义干预”辩护,应该持保留态度。 侵入性的西方 LGBT 话语似乎并不正常——不仅对阿富汗人而言。 男人爱女人,不要相信说谎的婊子,姐姐!

在阿富汗和英国,性伦理可能很奇怪。 Talibs 要求女士们像东正教犹太人一样遮住头发并举止端庄。 西方孕育了荒谬 双方未经同意的性行为; 28% 的年轻女性开始相信“通常或总是”眨眼构成性骚扰(阅读 此处); 它随时击败塔利班。 塔利班的一些想法确实很奇怪; 但并不像 对安德鲁王子的鞭打 在英国/美国的一个老年巨魔的话。

阿富汗人的生活仍然会改善女性和男性的生活,而且会比傀儡政权更好,阿富汗人希望。 对塔利班来说是两败俱伤,他们两次上台几乎都没有遇到阻力,这是民众支持的明显迹象。

塔利班诞生于 1990 年代初,在亲苏政府纳吉布拉(许多阿富汗人现在说他是 20 世纪该国最好的统治者)被中央情报局赞助的圣战者推翻之后。 当时,无法无天在这个国家盛行。 每个军阀都认为自己是国王。 在此背景下,塔利班成为了一个追求诚实、法律和秩序、反对军阀无法无天的草根运动。 他们在 1996 年成功获胜,没有流血,胜利地进入喀布尔。 他们停止了毒品生产和贸易,实际上消除了这一祸害。 这是他们的失败。 中央情报局不允许干预毒品供应,因为他们想让美国人陷入麻醉剂引发的梦想。

阿富汗受到逐渐制裁; 贫穷的国家更加贫穷; 北部部落造反,然后美国入侵推翻了塔利班,使其在 20 年后重新掌权。 在此期间,阿富汗发生了变化; 喀布尔已经发展成为一个拥有 XNUMX 万居民的城市。 但还是没有秩序; 军阀和大型毒品生产商仍然自由统治,随意抢劫村民。

塔利班最初的支持基地是普什图村,他们通常对国家的要求很少:他们想要秩序、有效的习惯法或伊斯兰法,不干涉他们的私人生活,最好根本不征税。 (这里是 一个优秀的背景片 作者:Anatol Lieven)现在,随着大城市受到塔利班的统治,他们将不得不表现出更大的灵活性。 在人口超过 XNUMX 万的城市,习惯法并不总是有效。 但塔利班也学到了很多。 希望他们能够在村庄和城市之间找到妥协,同时考虑到武器掌握在村民手中的事实。

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这种城市和乡村的对抗让我们想起了毛泽东的革命和红色高棉在柬埔寨的接管。 但今天的世界不同了。 西方的生活方式现在几乎没有吸引力; 这一进展进入了性别疯狂、新冠封锁、批判种族理论和数字极权主义的僵局。 即使是塔利班在 2001 年之前的大罪,破坏古迹,从亚特兰大到伦敦,美国和英国的进步人士都在重演。 也许阿富汗人将能够弄清楚如何进行。 每个国家都是其未来的伟大建筑师。 在过去 200 年的不断入侵中,阿富汗人几乎没有机会弄清楚他们真正需要什么。

一个重要的新因素是强大的中国,它需要阿富汗过境。 英国人和美国人不需要过境阿富汗; 他们统治着大海。 但在过去,在欧洲到来之前,大篷车路线经过阿富汗。 也许交通流量会重新开始,伊朗的石油将流向中国,通过前苏联中亚与北方的贸易将恢复,通往印度的走廊将开放。 俄罗斯地质勘探局在阿富汗山区发现了巨大的稀土元素储量,其开发可能将俄罗斯和中国与阿富汗重新联系起来。

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在喀布尔,人们怀着极大的恐惧等待着塔利班的进入。 然而,塔利班并没有干涉撤离; 当拜登总统征求他们的同意时,他们立即同意了。 但总的来说,没有必要赶飞机。

俄罗斯外交部宣布,他们与塔利班达成协议,俄罗斯民用航空公司将飞往所有有地方去的人。 唉,地球上没有任何地方愿意接受如此多的阿富汗难民。 人们应该待在家里,与他们的同胞和睦相处; 如果他们犯了罪,他们应该为这些罪行付出代价。 然而,塔利班发布了大赦,希望他们能坚持这条人道和仁慈的道路。

在喀布尔本身,就像在其他城市一样,新政府的头几天平静地过去了。 塔利班更换了使馆职位的士兵,并承诺外交官的头上不会掉一根头发。 在俄罗斯大使馆,外交官表示,现在比旧政权下更安全。

塔利班的声明也令人欣慰。 他们承诺不会报复。 女性可以继续工作而不必穿着严格的传统风格。 事实上,在新阿富汗成立的最初几天,这些承诺都兑现了。

俄罗斯外长谢尔盖·拉夫罗夫认为,我们需要拭目以待阿富汗局势将如何发展,尽管他的第一印象是积极的:“我们正在喀布尔街头观察到积极的进程,那里局势相当平静,塔利班有效执行法律和秩序。” 俄罗斯驻联合国大使也在安理会会议上表达了谨慎乐观的态度。 “你不应该向恐慌屈服。 重要的是我们设法避免了平民之间的大规模流血事件,”他说。 俄罗斯总统阿富汗问题特使卡布洛夫也积极评价事态发展。 “在我看来,塔利班长期以来一直比傀儡喀布尔政府可靠得多,”他说。

塔利班在立法方面的第一步也令人鼓舞。 塔利班已禁止血仇,这是阿富汗的长期祸害。 他们说他们将受伊斯兰教法的指导——这对我们的世俗读者来说似乎是一场噩梦,但这是一个更仁慈的替代方案。 普什图瓦利 部落法。 普什图瓦利 赞成血仇; 根据伊斯兰教法,这是被禁止的。 参考伊斯兰教法,塔利班禁止分发和使用毒品,这是美国占领下阿富汗人的主要占领。 他们还禁止当地习俗 帕夏坝子,对男孩的同性恋剥削。 取缔了巫术和有息贷款,甚至取消了所有债务,这是我们都可以学习的。 让我们看看这将实施哪些,哪些将仍然是空洞的承诺。

一个真正的和当前的危险是西方军队试图卷土重来并干预阿富汗。 有许多好战者; 男生喜欢 约翰博尔顿一直想要 更多的战争。 北方军阀的儿子艾哈迈德·马苏德(Ahmad Massoud)已经要求提供武器以继续与塔利班作战。 他会见了 BHL (Bernard-Henri Lévy),这位法裔犹太人的话语大师总是在暴风雨前到来。

这就是为什么普京总统在与默克尔夫人会面后的新闻发布会上说:“现在谈论美国的失败不符合我们的利益。 我们对该国局势稳定感兴趣。” 普京要求各国在喀布尔解放后不要干涉阿富汗,称西方“必须停止从国外强加外国价值观的不负责任政策”。 这可能是一个很好的观点。

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    现在拜登有机会指挥并从伊拉克和叙利亚带走美军

    You very well know no USA president can’t think of doing that, and you very well know why.

  4. Anonymous[303]• 免责声明 说:

    美国从阿富汗撤军只是美国对伊朗开局的第一个重大举措。 美国在阿富汗的军事基地与伊朗 Shahab-3 的攻击距离之内——尤其是。 在阿富汗西部赫尔曼德和赫拉特的美军基地/FOB,例如坎大哈空军基地、辛丹德空军基地、德怀尔营等。美军如此脆弱,不可能进行任何全面攻击。

    [更多]

    13 2021月

    以色列时报

    如果核谈判失败,贝内特寻求美国和以色列对伊朗的联合战略——报告

    …周二第 12 频道的新闻报道说,在与摩萨德首席大卫巴尼亚会面期间,[中央情报局局长威廉] 伯恩斯获得了旨在显示的信息 伊朗新任总统易卜拉欣·赖西精神失常,不值得信任,无法就新的核协议进行谈判或信守承诺。

    According to the network, Barnea gave Burns a dossier on Raisi that portrayed him as exceptionally extreme, cruel, corrupt and unstable. “The Mossad described him as someone with mental disturbances,” the channel claimed in the unsourced report.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-seeking-joint-us-israel-strategy-on-iran-if-nuclear-talks-fail-report/

    AUGUST 5,2021

    “耶路撒冷邮报”

    甘茨:伊朗从突破到拥有核武器需要 10 周时间

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israel-to-unsc-halt-irans-brazen-ship-attacks-675793

    10年2021月XNUMX日

    网络安全情报

    AI揭示了伊朗的核武器工厂

    https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/ai-reveals-irans-nuclear-weapons-factory-5795.html

    5年2021月XNUMX日

    福克斯新闻

    伊朗核问题:以色列警告德黑兰距离获得武器级材料只有“10周时间”

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-nuclear-concerns-israel-issues-weapons-warning

    • 不同意: Sarah
    • 哈哈: Alfred
  5. nickels 说:

    这是对撒旦鸡奸的美国帝国中心的致命打击和致命打击。
    现在,流淌着红色加仑的鲜血,摇摇晃晃地等待着一百万把蓄势待发的剑的最后一击。
    我们一直都知道精英们会跌倒,我们一直承诺,当他们跌倒时,他们再也不会站起来了。
    准备好爱国者。

    • 回复: @Dave Bowman
  6. 现在拜登有机会指挥美军从伊拉克和叙利亚撤出;

    拜登一直在向叙利亚派遣更多军队。 他可能从阿富汗撤出,为叙利亚的下一场战争转移资源。

    我同意我们出去很棒,但我们还没有出去。 喀布尔有 5000 名美军,而且是同样的傻瓜掌权。 如果他们激怒塔利班,他们将用迫击炮和炮火关闭简易机场。 然后是阿拉莫的血战。 这是一个关于笨手笨脚的拜登团队的简短视频。

    • 不同意: Sarah
    • 谢谢: Annony Mouse
    • 回复: @Avery
  7. traducteur 说:

    Another heartening essay, Mr. Shamir! My compliments, as usual.

    • 回复: @follyofwar
  8. Anon[966]• 免责声明 说:

    这些天有什么东西让某些右倾作家和记者认为他们是塔利班的“兄弟”? 我以为任何意义上的作家和记者都会明白他们在塔利班的名单上,可能落后于合作者,但几乎可以肯定领先于那些讨厌的懦夫和酷儿。 您不清楚“不允许自由表达”的哪一部分? 这篇文章很荒谬,很可笑,是的,我已经阅读了 Anglin 在这个主题上一直在吐槽的东西。 关于他们成为你的宗教信仰者的事情特别疯狂。 你真的认为你与这些人之间的兄弟情谊会比你的会面和他们对“异教徒”的诊断持续的时间更长吗?

    说真的,沙米尔先生,你有什么问题,你要么不理解显而易见的事情,要么不介意通过撒谎来侮辱我们的智力? 塔利班的回归并不是反对“觉醒”和其他右翼恶棍的战争取得进展的标志,而是那里世俗社会崩溃的标志,取而代之的是一个你不想生活的政权。但是当然欢迎你和你最好的新朋友一起去那里和 bow-woof-woof(正如 Fred R. 所说的那样)。 只是不要忘记发布视频(搞笑,我敢打赌。引导派对通常是)。

  9. @Anonymous

    The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan is merely the first major move in the opening game for U.S. to attack Iran.

    It’s a better theory than the achingly credulous “Hey, President Depends got one right” delirium, which assumes that that satanic blown mind had a thing to do with it, whatever the reason.

    If the state allowed it, it bodes poorly for the sane and peaceful. Figuring which country suffers most from the strategy is for a sports book to handle, but you might make out putting money on Iran (and then the former US).

    • 同意: Liosnagcat
    • 不同意: Sarah
    • 回复: @Liosnagcat
  10. 当纳粹离开法国时,许多合作者入狱,一些人被法国爱国者处以私刑。 但这并不意味着继续占领法国会更好。

    您需要了解二战后的历史。 随着纳粹军队的撤离,犹太布尔什维克对法国人进行了大屠杀。

  11. Biff 说:

    这就是为什么普京总统在与默克尔夫人会面后的新闻发布会上说:“现在谈论美国的失败不符合我们的利益。 我们对该国局势稳定感兴趣。” 普京要求各国在喀布尔解放后不要干涉阿富汗,称西方“必须停止从国外强加外国价值观的不负责任政策”。 这可能是一个很好的观点。

    显然,普京是这个星球上最好的政治家和自由世界的领袖。

    • 同意: CelestiaQuesta, Liosnagcat
    • 回复: @Tom Welsh
    , @moi
  12. Avery 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “In memory of those 牺牲了

    说得好。

    Not the usual bromides “….they gave their lives so we can be free here……” and other similar nonsense. They were 牺牲了 for foreign interests, Globalists, the top 1%, multinational corporations……

    • 同意: Sarah
  13. frankie p 说:

    仍在等待可悲的美国塔利班的崛起。

    • 哈哈: Biff
    • 回复: @Gorgeous George
  14. Ed Case 说:

    想想奥斯维辛,绝对是一个严酷的地方。 当德国人不得不离开时,数百名犹太人跟随他们向西(大屠杀作家埃利维塞尔也在其中)。 他们害怕红军来解放他们,更喜欢他们认识的德国人。

    The other version is that the Germans in command at Auschwitz weren’t prepared to allow persons in their custody a choice of joining the Red Army.
    那个版本对我来说听起来更现实。

    [更多]

    当纳粹离开法国时,许多合作者入狱,一些人被法国爱国者处以私刑。 但这并不意味着继续占领法国会更好。

    另一个版本是西班牙内战中幸存的失败者在法国找到了避难所。
    一旦那里的政权垮台,他们就为了乐趣和利润而放纵放血。
    Historians later turned them into “french patriots”.

  15. billb 说:

    Bret Stephens’ comments on destabilizing Pakistan are chilling. I read them as a threat.

    • 回复: @mulga mumblebrain
  16. E_Perez 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    .. some were lynched by the French patriots. But it does not mean it would be better to keep France occupied.

    Oh, no, better lynched than occupied!
    More French lynched by “French patriots” than dying during the German “occupation”, the latter caused by the French declaration of war.

    It is said according to official sources at the time that 100.000 French people were summarily executed during La Liberation.

    L’AGE DE CAÏN
    Premier témoignage sur les dessous
    De la libération à Paris.

    • 回复: @Olivier1973
  17. Miro23 说:
    @Waitemata

    谢谢。

    从文章:

    最后,他的诊断是,美国支持的阿富汗政府不能说“崩溃”了,因为它从来没有存在过。

    “阿富汗军队不是真的。 阿富汗民政当局从来就不是真的。 他们从不收税。 除了警察抢劫人外,没有法庭。 它从来都不存在……这只是一个由美国资金资助的大型就业计划,当钱看起来要花光的那一刻,每个人都回家了。”

  18. Let me never end up so old, bitter and deluded that I experience such a moment like the Taliban coming to power as “sheer joy.”

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @MLK
  19. Good article, I liked reading it. However, I feel like this is one of the two larger narratives being presented on the surface, this being the “good” one versus the feminist/women’s rights/homosexual agenda “bad” one. Each has several variations and such. The reality, though, is that Afghanistan was/is about Opium (Heroin), pipelines, and minerals. All the propaganda and psych. warfare being waged on the world population, and presented differently for different demographics and regions and nations, is going towards those aforementioned things.

  20. @Anon

    塔利班比佩洛西更好,我相信你会同意。

  21. @Anon

    They’re Afghans and if the Taliban are good enough for them why should anyone else complain? Why should someone who thinks they’re good for Afghans want to go and live under them or want them and their ideas to rule anywhere else? The West has a universalist ideology and believes that everyone should live under it as it is the best for everybody. The Taliban disagree. But the Taliban, as all Muslims, are also universalists and think their religion is the best and that everyone in the world should enjoy its benefits. As a sovereignist I’m opposed to all these universalists, each to his own. Still, the Taliban are on the right side of history.

    • 同意: Malla
  22. Dumbo 说:

    There is a curious new fandom of the Taliban among right-wingers, which, while in my opinion misguided, is understandable.

    I think Western traditionalists and nationalists have been thoroughly defeated. Even their short “populist” revolt has been crushed and now they are fully under the control of a cabal of globalist bureaucrats, women, Jews, trannies, Big Pharma and “medical experts” forcing masks and lockdowns. So any form of government that appears to be able to simply reject such tenets is cheered on.

    I think, in regards to the Taliban, this is mere projection. First, it’s not clear if they are, like ISIS and “Bin Laden”, a mere creation of other forces, or if they are genuine. But even if they are genuine, it’s not really a society that can serve as model for us.

    The only thing they teach us, I think, is the importance of keeping your values and being patient. The invaders couldn’t change the Taliban. Nation building there is worse than making castles in the sand. The Taliban had time on their side. They just kept at it, waiting for 20 years for their time to come.

    The problem of Whites / Europeans is that we DO NOT have time on our hands. In 20 years, browns will take over. They are already a majority in America. Then, what?

    • 回复: @lospopularos
    , @Ray Caruso
  23. Tom Welsh 说:

    迈克尔哈德森会很高兴看到塔利班计划取消所有债务。 他已经清楚地表明,这是给个人和社会带来巨大推动力并实现新起点的方式。

    1945 年后所谓的“德国经济奇迹”,与取消所有以旧纳粹帝国马克计价的债务一样重要。 一切都可以在没有旧债拖累的情况下开始。 债权人通常足够强大,可以阻止任何取消债务的想法,但大多已经死亡或逃离。

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  24. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Biff

    埃德蒙·伯克(Edmund Burke)和马克西米连·罗伯斯庇尔(Maximilien Robespierre)这两位完全不同的政治家至少就一项重要原则达成了一致。

    “在一个政治思想家的头脑中可以产生的最奢侈的想法是相信人们手拿武器进入外国人民就足够了,并期望自己的法律和宪法被接受。 理性的进步是缓慢的,没有人喜欢武装传教士,这是事物的本质; 自然和谨慎的第一课就是将他们作为敌人击退。
    一个人可以鼓励自由,永远不要通过一种入侵的力量来创造它”。
    – 马克西米连·罗伯斯庇尔 (1791)

    就连英国政客也偶尔领会到它。

    “白宫和唐宁街充斥着一种天真的观点,认为引入议会民主将解决伊拉克的所有问题。 但是你不能像快速生长的灌木一样引入民主。 需要几代人才能嵌入”。
    – Christopher Meyer 爵士(《每日邮报》,19 年 2014 月 XNUMX 日) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2658093/No-Mr-Blair-Your-naive-war-WAS-trigger-savage-violence-writes-CHRISTOPHER-MEYER-Ambassador-US-Iraq-War.html)

    • 谢谢: Biff
  25. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Anon

    好吧,也许是时候让真正的美国人思考如何解决这个问题了。

    或者他们无法让自己获得自由?

  26. anon[514]• 免责声明 说:

    No longer do Afghan women have to fear:

    Nighttime Death Squads of US Special Forces
    Being Rounded up and Tortured
    Being Droned
    Being Machine gunned from roving Gunships
    Being Gangpressed into harvesting Opium

    • 谢谢: Sarah
  27. Andreas 说:
    @anonymous

    所有这一切中的一个险恶因素似乎是美国试图将这个被占领的俘虏国家用作试管实验 他们正在努力在他们的社会中进行文化变革.

    这是一个没有得到足够重视的点。 不可忽视的是,阿富汗是一个 20年 存在。 那是足够的时间来出生、长大并拥有自己的孩子。

    如果西方价值观对阿富汗人民有任何有机或内在的吸引力,那么 20 年就足以让这些价值观以某种明确无误的方式扎根。 但在阿富汗傀儡政权以惊人的光速崩溃之后,幼苗似乎从未发芽。

    但无论阿富汗是一个实际的实验还是只是回顾分析的数据,结果都是一样的,这是对 Zio-Corporatism 愤世嫉俗和唯物主义虚假价值观的无可争议的谴责。 这对人民来说是个好消息,对精英来说则是个坏消息。

    • 同意: Arthur MacBride, One-off
    • 不同意: Tono Bungay
    • 回复: @One-off
  28. @Craig Nelsen

    There was great slaughter of the French by Jewish Bolsheviks with the withdrawal of Nazi troops.

    Meh. It was a little over 100k. Heck, the COVID vaxxes have killed almost as many in the last nine months.

    • 哈哈: Naughtius Maximus
  29. What is annoying is how the US MSM is using the “unknown number” of Americans still “trapped” in Afghanistan to get US troops back in there. It doesn’t help when the Administration announces that their going to the airport is at their own risk. I doubt the Taliban want any Americans in country at this point, and if the US hadn’t cut off their access to cash, the Taliban might have paid for the Übers deliver America’s camp followers to the airport.

    What is particularly galling is that when told they would have to pay a \$2k repatriation fee, the camp followers still in Afghanistan pissed and moaned about the unfairness of it all. Why were they there in the first place? Oh yeah, to profit from the venture, but don’t let us dare to ask for any of their ill gotten booty to help them bring it on home.

    • 回复: @George True
  30. Anon[350]• 免责声明 说:

    Well said. This article is revolting. This shamir guy has zero credibility after making fun of the women protesting (at great risk) and writing this nonsense–“The topic of female discrimination in Afghanistan was inflated by feminists on the service of the US State Department…” Would this shamir guy trade place with ANY woman in Afghanistan?

    • 哈哈: Alfred
  31. Sarah 说:

    Thank you very much for this article that sets the record straight and does not hesitate to put things right in the face of the MSM critics. I really liked these excerpts:

    And it is a win-win thing: I, for one, do not think that America was defeated or that President Biden made a mistake. Far from it. Ending the occupation of a foreign land is a noble act. It was a real victory for Biden, victory over the Deep State

    The world would be better without US troops in Korea; North and South would unite, and money spent there could pay for Americans’ education and health.

    True. Korea should stop paying for its own occupation by American troops.

  32. Sarah 说:

    Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State. I must admit that I have today much more respect for President Biden than I had before the withdrawal. I respect him even more for his excellent response to the British poodle.

    权利。

    British statesmen complained about Biden’s decision to withdraw “after so much blood was shed there”.

    What a stupid argument on their part; shedding more blood will not bring back the blood already shed!

  33. Sarah 说:

    It is good that Biden is not an easy guy to play; not as easy as Wilson and Roosevelt were.

    Let us hope that Biden continues on this good path of reason and wisdom.

    Now there is a fighting chance that Biden will command and take the US troops from Iraq and Syria; and with some luck, from other countries, from Korea and the Philippines

    This would be the path of reason and wisdom; let’s hope he does it before the Deep Sate, Neocons, warmongers and warprofiteers take over again.

    • 回复: @Daniel Rich
  34. J 说: • 您的网站

    狐狸(伊索普斯)说,葡萄是绿色的。 失败的战争对失败者没有任何好处。 当腐朽的罗马被强壮的野蛮人汪达尔人洗劫时,它也变得野蛮、贫穷和软弱。

  35. @frankie p

    它不会发生。

    害怕以某种方式被人看到的人是赢不了的。

    没有领导者,特朗普丢球,群众没有达成共识。 它过于依赖社交媒体,而且很容易被淘汰。

    对于可悲者来说,一个巨大的劣势是没有明确的敌人。 是民主党、假保守派、黑人、同性恋者、政府、执行规则的警察、官僚机构吗? 对于塔利班来说,它是占领者和傀儡政权,清除敌人和明确目标。

    此外,大多数可悲者在某些时候支持这些战争,崇拜外国侵略的雇佣兵,因此可悲者无法向塔利班学习,因为他们认为塔利班是卑鄙的。 以无视整个世界的方式,他们不断地被搞砸并无休止地抱怨,没有任何连贯性。

    人们可以创建一条良好但必然复杂的组织方式。 可以给他们所有的确切计划,如何一步一步地执行它,会发生什么? 没什么,95% 的人不会理解它,其余 99% 的人会点头并无视,因为其他一切都是首要的,其余的太小了,因为该计划需要大规模行动(不是战争,而是政治组织和行动)。

    因此,最好的现实行动方案是什么都不做,并希望这个地方会分崩离析,使污名不再成为问题,然后自然倾向就会接管。 这充其量是 80 年之后,到那时不会被唤醒的人口百分比将仅存于痕迹中。

    所以没有机会解放美国。

    • 回复: @Ninemil
    , @Ninemil
  36. Avery 说:

    {拜登命令美国离开阿富汗是正确的。 他在反对他的军队、他的情报部门和整个深州的恳求方面表现出了很大的毅力。} [沙米尔]

    It is hard to believe that Biden, who is basically mentally disconnected from world events and clueless about Afghanistan had anything to do with the decision. It’s all very strange.

    海报 [Carlton Meyer] 第 6 号帖子有一段精彩的视频,展示了拜登如何对阿富汗一无所知。 塔克卡尔森也有一段视频,指出拜登和他的木偶大师们正在发生一些奇怪的事情。 很奇怪。

    [Tucker: You don’t see this everyday, in fact you never see it]

    It has been argued that the Puppet Masters are exiting Afghanistan in order to re-deploy US troops to Syria or attack Iran. None of that adds up. Really, really strange. If the Deep State could defy (lucid, strong willed) Trump’s wish to exit Afghanistan, how is it that they could not defy and derail confused, mentally struggling Biden?

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  37. @Tom Welsh

    The Taliban and all Muslim and other third world countries should also abolish prisons and send all their criminals westward. If they fill up the squares and start chopping off hands, heads and feet and whipping and caning and stoning their criminals then the West whines and complains about their administration of justice. And when they imprison the criminals, like Assad and Castro did, they then complain about torture and the mistreatment of prisoners. So the West can have all the world’s thieves, murderers, swindlers, rapists and pedophiles and the rest of the world can abolish prisons and aim to be free of criminals. What you do with their criminals is your business.

  38. Malla 说:

    塔利班在立法方面的第一步也令人鼓舞。 塔利班已禁止血仇,这是阿富汗长期存在的祸害。

    有趣的是,在伟大的印度教史诗《摩诃婆罗多》(字面意思是“大印度”)中,这基本上是两个古老的北印度王国/氏族之间的战争,一个是 Pandavas,另一个是 Kauravas,阿富汗被诅咒受苦不断的战争和部落争斗。 这部史诗应该是非常古老的,但根据著名的芬兰印度学家学者 Asko Parpola 的说法,这个故事最初是基于北印度两个印度-斯基泰王国/部落之间的历史战争。
    好吧,在史诗中,有一位来自阿富汗的女王,名叫甘达里(Gandhari 来自 Gandhar 或今天的阿富汗坎大哈),她嫁给了一位失明的印度国王。 为了分担丈夫的残疾,她在眼睛上系了一块布,因此变得“失明”,多年来她一直失明。 她是湿婆神的伟大奉献者。 这位甘哈里王后是考拉瓦氏族所有兄弟的母亲。 在史诗《摩诃婆罗多》中,这些考拉瓦人在与潘达瓦人的战斗中被杀。 由于克里希纳勋爵(印度教神毗湿奴的化身)站在潘达瓦斯(坎大哈儿子的甘哈里女王的敌人)一边,并且要为她所有儿子的死亡负责,甘哈里曾诅咒克里希纳勋爵本人,他的人类氏族将成为灭绝。 Gandhari因为她对湿婆神的虔诚和她多年“失明”的艰辛积累了精神力量。 而正如被诅咒的那样,奎师那大君的整个氏族都灭绝了,没有后代。 她诅咒的另一个人和国家是她自己的兄弟阿富汗国王沙库尼,因为正是沙库尼国王通过他的狡猾引发了整个印度部落之间的战争和纷争。 一位母亲对她所有儿子的死感到愤怒和痛苦,她诅咒他的甘达尔王国(阿富汗)将永远遭受战争和封建冲突,直到时间的尽头。 仔细想想就很有趣。

    这是印度连续剧《摩诃婆罗多》的一部分。

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9adiZQ04gc

    在 7:03 分钟,我们看到 Gandhari 公主将一块布绑在她的眼睛上以“失明”,以便与盲人印度国王 Dhitrastra 结婚。 7 点 ​​21 分起身不以为然地点点头的人是阿富汗国王沙库尼(甘大哈),他的国家将在以后受到诅咒。

  39. gotmituns 说:
    @Anon

    Sir, women in the Muslim world/culture don’t have the same “rights” as women do in the west, but that doesn’t equate to their being oppressed. Women in the Muslim world are protected by Sharia law as they are not in the west. The rights of women in the west are only an illusion that lead to their being unprotected victims of males. This doesn’t happen in the Muslim world.

  40. Tjoe 说:

    乔·拜登(Joe Biden)对美国人民的每一次失败,都有一个家庭或同事收获意外之财\$\$\$\$。

    乔未能遏制乌克兰的腐败,醉酒的儿子从布里斯马公司获得了意外之财。 乔被派去与中国谈判,但失败了,他喝醉的儿子和阿切尔以 1.5 亿美元的价格收购美国科技公司,将技术(和工作岗位)送到中国,然后报废公司。

  41. Excellent piece, Israel. Hopefully, a lot of your hopeful predictions will come to be. I will keep my fingers crossed!

  42. @Anon

    我在巴勒斯坦人中生活了多年; 他们中的许多人是哈马斯的支持者; 我从来没有担心过他们。 我认为你把这些可怕的故事看得太重了。

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  43. Anon[248]• 免责声明 说:

    I cheered when Kabul fell. Fuck the United States.

    • 回复: @gotmituns
  44. 如果他们不把女性放回自己的盒子里,阿富汗将在 20 年内像每个西方社会一样沦为废墟。 所有西方的疯狂都源于将不劳而获的权力交给女性。 我们西方人必须停止让那些贡献最少的人投票给自己最大的蛋糕。

    • 同意: Naughtius Maximus
    • 回复: @gotmituns
    , @Dumbo
  45. @Craig Nelsen

    当然! 纯血统的高卢人永远不会杀死合作者! 他们需要一个犹太布尔什维克来完成这项工作!

  46. @Ed Case

    我们有 Wiesel 的书面证据——他说他们是自愿与德国人一起离开的。 关于西班牙人——这听起来像是试图找人负责。 我的法国朋友,包括支持维希的 Faurisson 教授,从来没有指责过西班牙人,因为法国人可以做同样的事情。

  47. @Avery

    我同意,特朗普意志坚强,但他不善于执行和服从他的命令。 他会订购一些东西,并认为它会自己完成。 拜登知道如何让人跳舞))

  48. Observator 说:

    Now murderous barbarians can go back to killing one another over which figment of their imagination is the correct one, without foreign barbarians who worship only power and money interfering with their fun.

    • 回复: @Niebelheim
  49. @Anon

    我也不会和美国的任何女人交换位置))

  50. Wielgus 说:
    @Ed Case

    Concentration camp prisoners who could still walk and understood Russian tended to be conscripted into the Red Army. If they understood Polish, it was to the Polish People’s Army.

  51. gotmituns 说:
    @Anon

    Fuck the United States.
    ---------------------
    Sir, I’m an American and take offense at what you said. This is not representative of our people. We are good people and even though our lousy jew led government got us into this cruddy mess, it is not our doing. We will deal with these jews eventually and I hope in the future when jew controlled Washington DC falls to the real American people, you will say you love the USA.

    • 回复: @Badger Down
  52. HT 说:

    If only white conservatives cared as much about the safety and well being of their own race as they do Afghans and Jews.

    • 同意: Ray Caruso
  53. AnoNymous[160]• 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    This is what it is.
    These white skin, green eye Taliban are descendants of the army of Alexander The Great.
    They have Hellenic blood in their veins.

  54. BorisMay 说:

    More Jewish politically correct posturing. This writer is another boring man who thinks National Socialists were actually called ‘Nazis’ and that Auchwitz was a concentration camp built to murder Jews rather than the work camp that it actually was.

    Please Mr Unz, please may we have less of this anti-white Jewish bias. I know you are a Jew too but I thought the whole point of your website was to not allow politically correct Jews like this writer to attack the very people they parasite of.

  55. gotmituns 说:
    @Proximaking

    那些贡献最少的人投票给自己最大的一块蛋糕。
    -------------------------------
    Sir, women don’t contribute the “least”. Their contribution is not that of a man. They deserve men’s protection. It’s not their fault the Lord created them as a link between children and adults/men. They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law and are being used by unscrupulous jews to destroy the west, but women shouldn’t be condemned for their shortcomings. That is what the Lord intended for them.

    • 同意: Zarathustra
    • 回复: @Kali
  56. Dumbo 说:
    @Proximaking

    阿富汗将在20年内成为废墟

    Well, it’s not as if it’s not in ruins right now… Or hasn’t been for the last 50-60 years or so… (I think it was a slightly bit better in the 1960s, before all the wars and the growth of wahabi Islamism)

    所有西方的疯狂都源于将不劳而获的权力交给女性。

    The whole thing about “power to women” is a sham. It just happens because/when men allow it. Even in the West.

    If women were really “fighting for their rights” and had the strength and will to do so, there is no reason why they wouldn’t be able to triumph in Afghanistan too.

    But they don’t, for two reasons: a) the men there don’t allow it or don’t want it and b) the women are more or less happy with their lot in life as it is. (also perhaps c) not many Jews in Afghanistan)

    事实是,女权主义给女性带来了很多不快乐。

    我认识一个大张旗鼓的女权主义者,她最终在某个地方嫁给了一个塔利班式的男人,搬到了沙特阿拉伯,将她的荡妇衣服换成了罩袍,并学会了闭嘴。

    她更快乐了吗? 谁知道。 也许是,也许不是。 但至少,她有明确的规则要遵守。 有些人只需要那个。

    Train-wreck Sinéad O’Connor also converted to Islam and has shut up since.

    在拉丁美洲,许多以前的荡妇正在皈依教女性顺从的福音派教会。

    也许女人真的很讨厌自由,更喜欢强壮的男人扇她们耳光。

    Or perhaps, they really just don’t know what they want. And having clear rules and religion help them with that.

    • 回复: @Zarathustra
  57. MLK 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Yeah, I always thought Shamir had a screw loose but I didn’t expect him to be loud and proud about it.

    I’ve found some of the writers on Unz invaluable, frequently for what they assiduously avoid even mentioning, even though they’re quite knowledgeable on the subject.

    In the instant case, it’s Biden as Yeltsin after “reelection 1996-99.

    Also, be wary when you’re fed some iteration of “Everyone agrees!” After all, a “Saigon Moment,” and what followed offers something for everyone.

    毫无疑问,新保守派已经完成了叙事工作,并准备在再次刷新美利坚帝国的停顿的标题下推出。

    Everyone involved gets a freebie on the Taliban’s consolidation, even craven Shamir is squeaking that he hopes for the best but prepared (to blame the US) for the worst.

    I won’t rehearse the details because no one’s listening anyway, but last weekend’s events strike me as altogether too cute and therefore by design. It looks like a scaled up reprise of Benghazi for the intentional purpose of humiliating the American Project and the American people.

    There are a lot of people who know better, including this author, playing dumb at the moment. Besides Doha beginning in 2018, which everyone ignored if they didn’t try to derail it, Trump singlehandedly, beginning when he took the oath, moved the American people to ending that war and our occupation. While the Fake News and their Fake Polls said otherwise, he turned it into another 80/20 in favor of his position.

    Exercise some common sense, given that anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, was committed to “Trump Must Go!,” why did they stop him from executing his withdrawal plan before the 2020 election, let alone leaving office after his first term? Bonus question: Why in the world did Trump want to do so if this humiliating debacle was baked in the cake?

    We can debate whether the ongoing Obama 3.0 national humiliation is the principal objective in this moment, though I suspect the “Saigon Moment” is designed as a distraction from the internal factional war raging in the US and USG in the immediate.

    In this round the clear message to anyone who knows how to fog a mirror is that no one is effectively in charge. Believe me, that won’t hold and the next stage, a struggle, eventually kinetic. over who is driving the bus, is coming.

    I used to think that there was no way in the world Trump could be returned to where he belongs, siting in the Oval Office as the duly elected POTUS in 2020. But the American people — 80/20 — have moved and Heels Up Harris is no solution. The Fake News is so Fake, and insult to your intelligence lame and discredited, if they start their shout day selling the 2020 election equivalent of “Oceania has always been at war with Eurasian,” everyone will breathe a sign of relief and we’ll get back to business as a great constitutional republic.

    Otherwise, the situation worsens Unstoppable Force Meeting The Immoveable Object-style because the Democrats (and their RINO and Neocon filth allies) aren’t governing as if they think they have to actually win elections in 2022 and 2024.

    • 回复: @MLK
    , @nickels
  58. They stopped drug production and trade and practically eliminated the scourge.

    This they did, actually, rather late, circa 2000, but they did it very effectively. It was not because if this that the CIA turned against the Taliban. That had happened in 1997 and was because of pipelines.

    When the Taliban took Kabul in 1996 the Imperialist States said that they were “another conservative Muslim regime we can make deals with”, and the Imperialist States was the only country to not condemn the murders of Dr Najibullah and his brother. Taliban negotiators were secretly flown to Amerikastan, given tours of Disneyland and Mt Rushmore (yes, there are videos of this, for instance here: https://www.facebook.com/100000332961892/posts/4476188755735512/?sfnsn=wiwspwa ) in an obvious attempt to bribe them into making said deals with the Imperialist States. Ahmed Rashid in 塔利班 lavishes an entire section of his book on this period, called Romancing the Americans. Primarily this deal making effort was about pipelines through Afghanistan from the Central Asian stans to the Arabian Sea via Pakistan, and Clinton regime corporation UNOCAL was to be given it.

    All this was while Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan and the Taliban were treating women, shall we say, worse than they’re treating them now, but Amerikastan was not the slightest bit bothered.

    Then in 1997, Mullah Omar, who had not given in to the blandishments and hadn’t gone gallivanting around the beaches of Florida or wherever, decided that BRIDAS of Argentina were offering much better terms than UNOCAL, and signed with them. Almost overnight, Killary Clinton became exercised about the plight of Afghan women, Amerikastan began talking about Osama bin Laden – but at least once during this period refused to snatch or eliminate him though the Taliban had deliberately set him up for removal – and, as soon as the Taliban had been overthrown in 2001, stage managed the placement of its CIA stooge Hamid Karzai into the presidential palace in Kabul. There were at the time persistent rumours that Karzai was a UNOCAL employee (he was most certainly on the CIA’s payroll) but I have not been able to confirm this. It is certainly true that immediately the BRIDAS contract was torn up and UNOCAL given the pipeline after all. It is another thing altogether that the Taliban’s resistance meant the pipeline never got built in the end.

    • 回复: @Notsofast
  59. This was an enjoyable article; I do appreciate the fact that Mr. Shamir is willing to take an alternative view of the world we live in.

    Somehow this video popped up in my recommended list on YouTube. Watch this and you will learn a great deal about the Afghan “army” that the US and Britain has trained over the past 20 years. Absolutely remarkable.

    Also, after 5 days of hysteria over the “10,000 -plus Americans that Joe Biden left behind” in Afghanistan, I have suddenly had an epiphany:

    These people aren’t Americans. They are Afghanis who happened to live in America, and went back to Afghanistan as contractors and interpreters, drawing “hazard pay” in a dangerous place. Now they want to come back to America and draw welfare pay for doing nothing.

    I hate to admit this, but I now realize that sleepy Joe stumbled into a good decision. Got the US out of Afghanistan.

    没有什么像看起来的那样。

    • 谢谢: Schuetze, The Original Rebel
  60. Dumbo 说:

    Despite the occasional green eyes, Afghani women don’t age well.

    [更多]

    1985年:

    2002年:

    2017年:

    • 回复: @anonymous
    , @Johnny Johnny
  61. @Malla

    另一个故事是考拉瓦人的前身囚禁了沙库尼和他的
    father and brothers, giving each of them one grain of rice a day. Knowing that they could not survive on this, they decided that Shakuni, as the cleverest of them, should have all the rice so he could survive and take vengeance. Shakuni therefore was the only one to not starve to death and after release planned his revenge by getting the Kauravas to start a suicidal war against the Panda’s, one that he knew would destroy them.

    • 回复: @Malla
  62. MLK 说:
    @MLK

    Consider just one picture, the Trump rally in Alabama last night:

    Does MAGA look weak and demoralized by the ongoing debacle in Afghanistan?

    Did Trump hide like Obama and Bush? Last we saw Obama was dancing the night away with “Big Mike” looking like a 60 year old gay African. Bush released a statement that he’s too busy painting a picture of Obama’s birthday bash to comment.

    Per what I said in my previous comment, that picture was the result of Trump’s dogged efforts over more than four years. Trump freed MAGA, which is much more than Republicans and growing by the day, from the Hobson’s Choice of Neocon madness of either the Bush or Obama variety.

    • 回复: @lydia
    , @Truth
  63. Max Payne 说:

    现在这很有趣。 西贡? 这些人将其视为硫磺岛。

  64. @Anonymous

    There will be no attack on Iran. Amerikastan isn’t capable of it (unless you include nuclear war, that is).

    • 回复: @mike99588
  65. Truth 说:
    @Anon

    You have understand this new trend of urban apartment-dwelling, quasi-journalists identifying with third-world strongmen they’d need to be dragged by the ankles to live around…

    Call it “right-wing woke.”

    • 回复: @Mefobills
    , @Malla
  66. moi 说:
    @Biff

    不,习近平是最好的领导人。

  67. Truth 说:
    @Anon

    Hell; would he trade place with any MAN in New South Valhalla?

  68. Glad everyone is enjoying the withdraw spectacle. Just seems like there is more going on then what we are manipulated by the media to see.

  69. With the China FM meeting the Taliban a few days before the US “withdarawl” from its Heroinland (Mammon bless those Alpine, Caribbean and Desert tax havens) in the Hindu Kush, and the Russians flying the strategic bombers right next to Afghanistan in Tajik and Uzbek “drills,” just hours before the media circus began a week ago, this coordinated effort of the terrorist Ziocorporate globalists and their Chinese and Russian business partners to accomodate yet more CIA-backed Islamist ragheads, as if the GCC Ziowahhabi filth weren’t enough, should hardly be a joyous occasion for the common freethinking man.

    Putin’s bullshit works well for his dealings with his Zioterrorist friends: it is completely out of focus cause in reality, the Afghan chaos was quite controlled and never risked a spillover into neighbouring countries, not even much hated Iran, that hosts 3 million Afghan refugees; so managing narco/weapon trafficking and creating stable networks for global finance and banking to launder and hide all that money, plus all the stolen taxpayer, wouldn’t have been possible in any all-out civil or regional war scenario where one group would be destroying the other’s source of weapons and income.

    So we’re back to square 1, with the slight difference that Taliban now know all about the management of global narcotrafficking and weapons blacks markets in their terrirtory and Putin saying he wants to stabilise that. What joy for the global handlers of the invisible hand of the market.

  70. 亲爱的沙米尔先生:

    尽情享受你的大胡子穴居人朋友的胜利吧(可以指望中国人有一些对付他们的策略,而且他们通常不会娇气),并为他们的进一步成功而欢呼。

    只有一个问题:万一伊斯兰接管了你的国家,你是否仍会紧跟其后,或者你是否会留在穆斯林的荣耀中,并准备好看到你的妻子、女儿、孙女等等被轮奸你的一些穴居人在街上通奸,然后用石头砸死?

    先生,您要么是个白痴,要么是在某些穆斯林工资单上。

    • 巨魔: mulga mumblebrain
  71. Schuetze 说:
    @aandrews

    They are mocking the fake and staged Iwo Jima flag raising in two ways. The first by raising their Taliban flag over Kabul. The second while wearing expensive high tech military gear abandoned by the cowardly US military fleeing the battle field in a mad panic.

    Here is some more social media where the Taliban are mocking US obsession with high tech trinkets:

    • 回复: @aandrews
  72. @Anonymous

    正如友好邻里恐怖分子所说,“除非你包括核战争。” 也许这种恐慌性撤离可以用大量辐射可能很快流入阿富汗的可能性来解释。 他们可能不会重置 Samson Option 核弹上的计时器。

  73. St-Germain 说:

    我喜欢你在粗犷、气概的塔利班步兵和他们越来越阴柔、讲道、高科技占领者之间的大胆对比,这些人来自我们的阴郁帝国。 无论你是想恋爱还是打仗,了解男人和女人之间的区别是很有用的。 据称,我们现在被抓获的大使馆的官员在这片骄傲的伊斯兰土地上飘扬着他们的彩虹骄傲旗,宣传我们已经变得多么无望地困惑。 也许美国社会的长期下滑真的是从第 19 条修正案的批准开始的。

    很好,您对塔利班步枪手如此有效地使用的 RPG 给予了应有的重视。 7/40 年我在越南指挥一个美国装甲步兵连时,我们非常尊重 VC/NVA 的 RPG 1967,也称为 B-68。 现在这个毫无头绪的帝国再次证明,空军的炸弹和昂贵的高科技设备并不能真正替代那些宁愿死亡也不愿投降的坚强勇敢的步兵。

    好文章,沙米尔。

    • 谢谢: The Original Rebel
  74. Maddaugh 说:

    美国不得不离开阿富汗,但他们这样做的方式存在缺陷并导致了这场惨败。

    是的,塔利班和他们的男子气概。 当你没有什么可失去的时候,一个外国势力在推动你,从山羊放牧到战士是一个简单的步骤。 阿富汗农村人想为所欲为,没有任何权威来指挥他们,为此他们愿意去死。

    另一方面,美国人要失去很多。 他们不会为了原则而牺牲自己的生活方式和兴趣。 有多少人愿意为了他们的信仰而在丛林中度过 20 年的艰辛? 回答:没有!

    权力知道这一点。 在我看来,总是需要权衡取舍。 阿富汗人拥有的很少而且是自由的,我们拥有很多并且生活在束缚中。

    当这种文化侵蚀和腐蚀他们所相信的一切时,美国的现实生活将像霹雳一样袭击阿富汗难民。 很少有人能过上简陋的生活,许多人会为自己的简单生活感到遗憾,并对美国文化给他们施加的束缚咬牙切齿。

    我祝他们一切顺利,因为他们被赶到美国大城市,在那里,他们看到的不是山脉和山谷的景色,而是贫民窟的贫民窟,在那里他们不是一个独立的小农民,而是焦急地等待福利检查,而是在那里他们自己的家,虽然不起眼,但还是落入了某些房东的手下!

    欢迎来到自由的土地和勇敢的家!

    • 回复: @babu
  75. Mefobills 说:
    @Truth

    Right Wing Woke. LoL.

    It is not left or right. It is right or wrong.

    Your “truth” seems to believe in the Jewish dialectic of Liberalism vs Conservatism (right wing), when they are two wings of the same bird (liberalism).

    Plenty of cuck-servatives, want to invade the world and invite the world, to then make sordid gain on cheap labor, or to restart the drug trade. The apartment dwelling quasi journalists are forced into not participating in the economy due to liberalism’s debt mechanics, which pushed housing prices into the stratosphere.

    Go back and watch the video Priss Factor posted, to get some truth:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-sheer-joy-of-afghanistan/#comment-4855874

    Shamir nailed it:

    being drip-fed by hypochondriac news of another elder succumbing to the dreadful virus, of green passports, of medical advice on how to live longer, of atoning for the misdeeds of our forefathers, of being of the wrong race and how to avoid microaggressions lest somebody will feel hurt. If we, men, would like to hurt somebody, we won’t stop at a joke, we’ll reach for an RPG.

    The truth is, we are led by clowns who have inverted the natural order, to enshrine Jewish feminism, liberalism, finance capital, and usury/mammonism at the top of the hierarchy.

    Elder’s being frightened of death themselves have no problem killing babies, or deforming children with psychological war, such as covid mask wearing.

    I don’t normally post religious links, but sometimes religion is used to contain man’s excesses, and history does repeat.

    https://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2019/11/leftism-not-just-wrong-but-evil-and-corrupt/

    What is evil? Let us set theological explanations aside for the moment and settle on a practical definition upon which most can agree: if cruelty means the willful disregard for human suffering, even taking pleasure in inflicting suffering on others, then evil is profound cruelty. It is a malevolence so dark and bottomless that ordinary people cannot fathom it. Psychologists may prefer less highly-charged terms to describe people who commit unconscionable acts, but evil is as evil does, and what leftism has done over and over again throughout history and around the world is provide a worldview which justifies perpetrating unimaginable horrors on untold numbers of victims.

    It remains to be seen if Taliban falls backward into their form of evil, but so far they have been opposing “western evil,” and may usher in a proper hierarchy. Women are under men, but not to be oppressed into sexual slavery.

    • 谢谢: CelestiaQuesta
  76. @The Alarmist

    As I understand it, the nature of the complaint was that thousands upon thousands of Afghan men (and few if any Afghan women or children) were being flown out free of charge, while Americans were being told they would be charged \$2000.00 apiece. Seemed a bit unfair, eh? In any case, upon reflection the State Department realized what a public relations disaster that was, and a few days later announced that Americans would not be charged.

    But keep in mind that all these Afghan men are, as we speak, being seeded all across these United States, and being given free housing, free health care, free utilities, free food, and free walking around money. And this free everything for them will continue month after month, and year after year, and the money to pay for it all is being taken from all of us collectively at gunpoint.

    And if the experience in Western Europe regarding male Afghan immigrants in recent years is any indication, the contribution that these culture enrichers will make to our society will be in the form of an increased crime rate, especially sexual assault.

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  77. All right, once again,

    Afghan = the noun pertaining to people from Afghanistan, along with the geography, cities, etc.

    Afghani = the currency used in Afghanistan.

    You don’t call Amerikastanis “US dollars”. Don’t call Afghans “Afghanis”.

  78. Notsofast 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    now they are talking about bringing karzai back into the government, so don’t be surprised if unocal is back too. looks to me like a deal was done and the kabuki theater blitzkrieg was by design so they could hand the tailban the reins of power and billions of dollars weapons and equipment while feigning surprise at the outcome.

    • 回复: @lydia
  79. @Miro23

    Miro23, What you have written above makes me suspect that you know more about Afghanistan than most.
    I think if the Americans had been more savvy, they would have bribed or cajoled/pressured some mullahs to give more moderate fatwas. They then would have a real chance to change Afghan society. They didn’t try it, and as every one says 20 years is a whole generation.

    Another reason the Taliban has become more moderate is because the funding from S Arabia and UAE has dried up and so Whaabism is not favored by them.
    Hence the permission to shias to have their Moharrum.

  80. lydia 说:
    @MLK

    I mostly agree with your first comment. USA Today said Trump was booed at this rally when he encouraged people to take vacine – experimental gene therapy – hard to find truth about this and everything else.

    • 回复: @By-tor
  81. Only one can be true:

    1) Eli Wiesel never set foot in a German work camp.

    2) Germans did not routinely tattoo prisoners.

  82. The large apartment complexes built all over Los Angeles and its suburbs were clearly planned for a “refugee” flow. Take South Gate for example: Built thousands of units on former industrial land near Alameda Street. You see the same thing everywhere.

    • 回复: @CelestiaQuesta
  83. Malla 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Thanks, I was not aware of this. These epics can be quite tragic.

  84. @Naughtius Maximus

    Even according to the official accounts only inmates of Auschwitz-Birkenau were tattooed. Inmates of other concentration camps were given identity discs.

  85. aandrews 说:
    @Schuetze

    I wonder if they’ve found the chlamydia infected 真人娃娃, yet, a little stay-behind gift. (Once you try a RealDoll, you’ll never go back to goat.)

  86. @Dumbo

    Women do not need to be submissive!!!!
    But women should realize that their primary task is to rule her family have children, and bring up new generation which is better from every point of view than present.

  87. Malla 说:
    @Truth

    It is not about living in these unpleasant regimes. It is about leaving the rest of the World alone as much as possible. The USA has a lot of problems at home to solve, huge debt, homelessness, illegal immigration, crumbling infrastructure (while China builds away) etc…. What is the US to do about the Taliban? Fight for 20 more years? It does not make any sense. If the Afghans do not like the Taliban, they can rebel on their own.

    • 回复: @Truth
  88. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    亲爱的盖洛德,我多年来一直生活在巴勒斯坦的穆斯林中间。 我的妻子、母亲和其他女性亲属没有受苦; 他们没有被强奸或羞辱。 请注意,我认为通奸石刑是一种合理的惩罚,比我们财产的 50% 更合理。 你必须去尝试在穆斯林中间生活; 你会觉得很舒服。

    • 哈哈: BB753
    • 回复: @Jack McArthur
    , @Nancy
  89. Nothing says bad ass better than walking around with an RPG hung across your shoulders. Would anyone know of a local arms dealer with RPG inventory stock? I’m asking for a friend. Hehe
    Watching video and pictures from Afghanistan, I take it there are no gun laws or need for CC permit.
    GlobalHomo may have finally met their match. I can only Imagine there will be no gay pride parades, BLM marches, or defund the Taliban in the near future.

    CQ learning Pusthun:
    Maka laka haka laka shaka laka, derka derka Mohammad jihad.
    翻译;
    Where’s Team America when you need them?

  90. HbutnotG 说:
    @anonymous

    I don’t think it’s the culture. It’s the poppy fields.
    The biggest money maker in the US today is drugs – big pharma and street. No other explanation for that old term “millionaire” morphing to “billionaire” now, talking trllionaire. (“Tech” “MIC,” my ass!)
    Columbia, btw, is more important than you think.
    Get a \$100 bill out of an ATM sometime and sniff it. Yes. Coke can make you happier than you’ve ever been!

    “War on drugs” is where the term “oxymoron” originated.

  91. nickels 说:
    @MLK

    特朗普是一个包裹在灌肠剂中的谜语。
    如果美国人真的愚蠢到可以投票支持特朗普,那么他们应得的。
    特朗普将成为他自己的企业法西斯猪,使大型制药公司能够杀死我们所有人,同时发布关于他们有多糟糕的推文,并将我们拖入与伊朗的更多战争,并且像往常一样大嚼以色列热狗。
    哑哑哑。
    他需要让位,这样我们才能选出另一个像德桑蒂斯或蓬佩奥这样的佐格。

    美国需要彻底崩溃。
    目前没有政治解决方案。

  92. @Reverend Goody

    Niggaz in da hood call doz apartmints -da Projects. I remember places I grew up in, such as Nickerson Gardens, and dozens of other section 8 housing spread throughout L.A.
    I’ve eat’n mo soul food than any white could digest.
    You can’t blame blacks, Hispanics and mohammadans, blame government for welfare and endless free shit spurred on by a bloated corrupt permanent political class.

    • 回复: @Reverend Goody
  93. Kali 说:
    @gotmituns

    Sir, women don’t contribute the “least”. Their contribution is not that of a man. They deserve men’s protection. It’s not their fault the Lord created them as a link between children and adults/men. They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law and are being used by unscrupulous jews to destroy the west, but women shouldn’t be condemned for their shortcomings. That is what the Lord intended for them.

    Oh dear. Too funny!
    I was with you right ip till “They just are not able to understand the workings of the world they inhabit/natural law”.

    Well, let’s see shall we?

    It is my understanding that the US withdrawal from Afghanistan amounts to a well-timed pantomime, albeit one which will come to shape the geopolitical landscape, as was always inevitable, as Russia/China and the SCO move to establish major trade links through the stans and into Pakistan.

    As has been said from the very beginning of Biden’s anouncement, this withdrawal from Afghanistan is more akin to a repossitioning of US interests in light of a changing geopolitical landscape than an actual declaration of peace or an end to hostilities.

    The pantomime is being enacted 现在 to serve as cover for the asymetric war that the aglo-zionist empire is waging against its own people in the form of an orchestrated attack on our physical , economic and social autonomy, such as it was, in order to bring us into line for their technocratic totalitarian takeover.

    In other words, this is all about timing! The introduction of the Clot-Shot-Vaxx-Pass to a tormented and terrorised domestic population, as that same population focuses on the majesterial, swift and almost entirely peaceful ascendance of the Taliban to political power at the end of a 20 year occupation during which time they have matured and learned much. And even Shmir praises Biden for his presidential prowess! Once again, too funny! lol

    In the meantime the sights of the zio-controled hegemon shift to China, Russia and Iran. And continued bloodshed in the Middle East. The end game remains the same and has bugger all to do with womens rights.

    Check your Old Testiment to see what that might be.

    It’s clear from your comment that you have given sime thought to the differences between men and women. You come up somewhat short in your apraisal though because, it seems to me, you have given little thought to the uses of male (active) and female (receptive) energies in this cosmic dance of life. Both of which have been corrupted by two milenia of belief in an externalised, masculinised sky-god.

    Until we earthlings return to a state of equibrium and natural balance between these fundamental energies we will not reach our true potential as a species. That’s natural Law.

    I hope you don’t find my silly woman-child assertions too challenging to your world-view. I grant you that men ARE the natural protectors of women and that, all things being equal, political decision ought to be the preserve of men, though in consultation with, and with reverence for, those who bare and raise their children.

    Please do drop the silly Victorian idea that we women are unable to understand the workings of the world. And please do try to understand that our “shortcimings” are yours, and vice versa.

    With a hearty laugh in my heart, I wish you all the best on your journey to understanding.

    和平,
    卡利

    • 谢谢: CelestiaQuesta
    • 回复: @gotmituns
    , @Badger Down
  94. @Miro23

    That’s the same welfare nanny state they impose in every state in the union, and for every illegal, refugee, aspiring rapper, gangbangger and white meth head.
    It’s best to keep the population sedated, stoned and incapacitated, because if they knew what government was doing to them, there would be no government to govern.

  95. Niebelheim 说:
    @Observator

    Now murderous barbarians can go back to killing one another over which figment of their imagination is the correct one, without foreign barbarians who worship only power and money interfering with their fun.

    At least the killing will be over a figment of their imagination and not one of ours.

  96. @israel shamir

    请注意,我认为因通奸而用石头砸死是一种合理的惩罚,

    Compare with what Jesus taught Jews about stoning an adulteress. Even if one thinks it interpolative it does indeed reflect the spirit that Jesus said animates his followers –

    3 文士和法利赛人带了一个犯奸淫的妇人来。 他们让她站在第 4 组面前,对耶稣说:“老师,这个女人行奸淫时被抓住了。 5 在律法中,摩西命令我们用石头打这些女人。 现在你说什么?” 6 他们把这个问题当作一个圈套,以便为控告他提供依据。

    但耶稣弯下腰,开始用手指在地上写字。 7 他们继续问他,他就直起身子,对他们说:“你们谁没有罪,谁先向她扔石头。” 8 他又弯下腰在地上写字。

    9 听见这话,听见的人一个一个地走,年长的先走,直到只剩下耶稣,那妇人还站在那里。 10 耶稣直起身子,问她说:“妇人,他们在哪里? 没有人谴责你吗?”

    11 “没有人,先生,”她说。

    “那我也不定你的罪,”耶稣宣称。 “现在走吧,离开你的罪恶生活。” (约翰福音 8:3-

  97. Truth 说:
    @Malla

    我同意。

    But My Friend, there is nothing stopping Mr. Shamir, Mr. Anglin or any of these other quasi-journalists from leaving the niggers, queers, fags, lefties and the rest, moving to New South Valhalla and re-starting their lives in the environment of the people they are rooting for.

    Capisce?

    • 回复: @Malla
  98. Jim H 说:

    “拜登不是一个好打的人”——以色列沙米尔

    上周,乔肯定是在“决定者”的言辞上堆积如山,正如著名的博学者 GW Bush 过去所做的那样。

    但是,阿富汗灾难的这些被动书挡实际上都没有像他们想象的那样负责。

    拜登将随心所欲地起舞 真实 决定者——首先是大厅——否则他们会“修正XXV”他,以支持一些有韧性的杜夫斯。

    我有一个脑细胞,它痛得要命
    如果你不能撼动我,有人会

    — 滚石乐队, 如果你不摇滚我

  99. US Milleytary defeated by a small band of ballsy men with simple small arms. All you need to know.

  100. “历史天使遵循经典戏剧的三重统一规则:动作统一、地点统一、时间统一。 有一天,权力转入反叛分子手中——在坎大哈、马扎里沙里夫,最后在喀布尔。 即将到来的“喀布尔之战”的世界末日预期并未实现——新政府几乎没有开枪就进入了总统府。”

    因此,这是希腊价值观的胜利,是“犹太-基督教”期望的失败; 耶路撒冷上空的雅典。

    • 哈哈: israel shamir
  101. anonymous[333]• 免责声明 说:

    钱币。

    I agreed with every word until you got to your auschwitz bit. Too gross to care to go on.

    If I werr reading for elucidation thst eoukd make no sense but I was reading as a comrade and cinsidering my oen family history you really lost me in the auschitz bit.

    Considering how this is unz though it probably keot thee interest of some of your other readers so carry in I guess.

    By the way, unlike yourself Unz actually is of jewish descent. You’re playing the long con and it’s fun to watch. Unz however is a real and truly fucked up individual. How long would it take after he goes broke for his pets to eat hislm alive? Longer than it would take a pet crocidile?

    罗。

    As quick as maggots.

    But credit where it’s due “Israel” “Shamir” till you got into the gooey jewy morass your every word was right and I appreciate it.

    • 回复: @BaronAsh
  102. anon[330]• 免责声明 说:
    @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    Dont you have to get 4 witnesses to the actual adultery ? Both the acts of adultery and the homosexual acts have to be witnessed before justice could be considered . Stoning is not in Koran .It was the existing normative at that time in pre -Islamic time.

    By the way Koranic verses that address crimes of all kinds and their punishments also end in advising to accept the apology and let them go free .

    Taliban if they follow Koran will have lot of latitude . Shariah itself is not fixed immutable but subject to context,interpretaion,and past examples .

    Shariah doesn’t apply to non Muslims .
    In medieval times , states used to have 3 set of laws and Shariah was one of them .

  103. anastasia 说:

    多年前,我和红雀队的足球运动员帕特·蒂尔曼 (Pat Tillman) 一起读到,他说美国复活了被塔利班摧毁的鸦片场,而他在阿富汗所做的一切就是守卫鸦片场,现在被塔利班复活了西部。 他将很多这样的故事公之于众,后来在一场有人认为可疑的事故中丧生。

    然后我最近读到美国摆脱了鸦片田,塔利班正计划让它们复活。 塔利班希望带回鸦片田。

    那么,谁在说谎,你想知道吗?

    是的,我想知道。 我该相信谁。 我是否应该相信那些告诉我伊拉克人拥有“大规模杀伤性武器”的人,他们在知道人们将被杀害时给出的原因,而实际上在伊拉克战争期间他们在伊拉克被杀。 我读到有 100,000 万伊拉克平民在伊拉克战争中丧生,我不知道有多少美国士兵,因为他们没有告诉我们。 还是我应该相信死去的帕特·蒂尔曼?

    • 回复: @Avery
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  104. I <3 women [plural].

    But I don't need a woman to be a man.

    F*** those with their 'toxic masculinity' stigma.

    I'm the 1 you come running to, when you're about to be mugged/raped/whatever.

    I know there are other guys out there like me.

    I don't need your appreciation.

    But I do care about you.

  105. Avery 说:
    @anastasia

    { killed in an accident that some consider suspicious…}

    It was no accident: he was killed during a firefight by US troops; so-called “friendly fire”.
    One never knows for sure about Tillman’s death, but friendly-fire incidents are not rare. During a firefight it is pretty hard to keep track of who is where, and these things happen. American jets bomb American troops; US helicopter gunships kill American troops.

    However, the Tillman story is very bad: his family was given the run-around and was badly mistreated by the Pentagon. They basically hid the real facts about Tillman’s death from his family for a long time. His brother, Kevin Tillman, was very vocal about this for quite a while.

    对于那些感兴趣的人:
    [谎言迷宫内:帕特·蒂尔曼之死的掩盖]
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2007/08/11/inside-the-labyrinth-of-lies-the-cover-up-of-pat-tillman-s-death/

  106. kiley 说: • 您的网站
    @anonymous

    we need to import as many Afghans into the US as possible

    • 哈哈: follyofwar
  107. By-tor 说:
    @lydia

    “I mostly agree with your first comment. USA Today said Trump was booed at this rally when he encouraged people to take vacine – experimental gene therapy – hard to find truth about this and everything else.”

    这是视频:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/watch-trump-booed-after-asking-crowd-get-covid-19-vaccines-2021-8

  108. ebear 说:

    Anyone who’s ever tried to rule Afghanistan has failed, so why should the Pakistaniban be any different? Also, if we’re using tortured analogies like the fall of Saigon, why not look a bit further down the road to the Vietnamese removal of the Khmer Rouge? That would be Iran, especially if they go after the Shia minority, as they have in the past.

    • 回复: @elmerfudzie
  109. gotmituns 说:
    @Kali

    though in consultation with, and with reverence for, those who bare and raise their children
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Sounds good to me. We’re not that far apart. Actually, that is what the Taliban is promising women.

  110. @Jack McArthur

    基督没有告诉她:现在去拿你丈夫的一半财产,和你的爱人过上幸福的生活。

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
  111. Dumbo 说:

    Shamir lost me at the “Biden” thing.
    The idea that Biden is responsible for any decision is quite ridiculous.
    Granted, all U.S. Presidents are just actors basically, but Biden is not even that. He barely knows what decisions are taken in his name.

  112. BREAKING NEWS!!!!
    Biden now is competing for weathermen job at CNN.

    • 哈哈: some_loon
  113. mike99588 说:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Advisable or not, they can do missiles and precision bombs for a long time.

    I’m sure someone can handle the S300s, whether on the ground or in the air.
    Besides, the S300s seem to work better on airliners anyway…

  114. New Dealer 说:

    让我想起了 1975 年新左派为解放柬埔寨而为红色高棉的荣耀所作的抒情诗。

    也许有些读者不知道沙米尔也赞美斯大林。

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  115. @George True

    We couldn’t keep fighting them over there to keep from fighting them over here, so we’ve brought them over here so we don’t have to fight them over there.

    • 谢谢: Badger Down
    • 回复: @George True
  116. @Sarah

    Let us hope that Biden continues on this good path of reason and wisdom设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    I’ve seen deer in the headlights, with more cognitive, spatial awareness [before they got snuffed out – courtesy of me staring at my gf’s bosom] than Joe ‘Give Me Somethin To Sniff On!’ Biden.

    That’s not the guy you want anywhere near buttons that can unleash all hell on earth.

  117. BaronAsh 说:

    Definitely one of Israel’s more inspired articles. I certainly hope his rosy view of Taliban takeover turns out as such, though I doubt it. However, he has ignored the single most important aspect of what just happened, and furthermore have yet to read any other pundit who has grocked it, namely:

    The Americans (aka neocons aka ‘they’ or ‘them’) have just gifted enough modern military equipment, both tactical and logistical, to field an army of 350,000. This is the purpose of the current operation which might be called ‘Operation Instant Army.’ Yes, the Taliban might not be able to fly all of their new fleet of Black Hawks, but how long do you think it will take for them to be trained? A few months?

    We now have plague in the form of covid and the vaccinated shedding huge numbers of pathogenic spike proteins.
    We are about to have a major kinetic war front opening up in the good old bad old Middle East. Maybe the purpose is to finally humiliate the United States once and for all so that the American Century is well and truly over and the new Eurasian Civilisation can arise from Beijing to Lisbon with stops in Mumbai and Dubai to boot.
    And reports are surfacing that various US supermarket operators are beginning to stockpile, both to hedge against inflation perhaps, but also because shortages are already beginning.

    瘟疫、战争和饥荒。

    It’s shaping up to be quite a future ‘they’ have in store for us.

    But in any case: if you think this handing over of equipment and weapons enough for a 350,000 person large military in a new Islamic Emirate was a bone-headed mistake, well I’ve got a bridge in what used to be a great city in California near the penal colony of Alcatraz…..

  118. @israel shamir

    你们俩的评论都很棒; 也许你的观察可以调和?

    被发现有通奸行为的配偶只应该有权获得更少的赡养费——这不是我们让出轨配偶对另一方配偶的收入提出更大要求的极端,但也不是通过石头或其他方式对出轨配偶进行身体攻击的极端。

    还有其他中间选项吗? 完全拒绝出轨配偶的赡养费(但不是子女抚养费)?

    • 回复: @Avery
    , @israel shamir
  119. BaronAsh 说:
    @anonymous

    Nearly every sentence in this piece was tongue in cheek.
    Interesting tongue; interesting cheek.

    And I agree with you that there is a ‘long con’ in play.
    We may not grock exactly what it is, but that it’s there is perhaps one of the only certainties around in these uncertain cognitively dissonant times…

  120. “Well, Brits like wars.”
    It’s true, they do like wars.
    But we should note that both Johnson and Sturmer are Jewish and zionist.
    (((Brits))) like wars.

  121. @israel shamir

    他们禁止了巫术和有息贷款,甚至取消了所有债务,我们都可以借鉴。

    Based and redpilled, can’t wait until Russia also bans witchcraft and collapses its economy. /s

    Since you seem to admire the Taliban (officially recognized as a terrorist organization where we live) so much, I can only second Anon [966]’s question about what’s keeping you here.

  122. Hossein 说:

    The Taliban maybe reactionary according to western standards but they will certainly bring discipline and stability to the country. The previous rotten regime was corrupt and many of its henchmen were known dope dealers and criminals.

    Yes the Talibs have committed crimes ,as if the westerners have not, but during these 20 years they know that the world and their own people have changed and therefore they will certainly create a balance .

    I, just like Shamir, applaud Biden for withdrawing American forces to avoid further bloodshed and destruction and for rubbing neocons faces such as bloody Tony Blair , to dirt.

    Lets put it this way. we have no moral or legal right to impose our so called ” democratic liberal” values upon others.

    May god help people of Afganistan to achieve peace and prosperity .

    • 同意: Commentator Mike, nokangaroos
  123. Bill Jones 说:
    @Ed Case

    Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust writer,

    Elie Wiesel, the Holocaust novelist,

    小飞侠

  124. @Max Payne

    Like the Taliban or hate them, this was top level trolling, and after the events of the last week, not even Amerikastan’s lapdogs can now pretend that it doesn’t deserve mocking.

  125. Avery 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    {(but not child support)}

    Very noble sentiment, indeed.

    But in reality, what happens here in US is that the mother* gets the child support, but rarely spends the money on the children: she spends it on herself. Courts don’t care. A loving, responsible father** then sees that his children are not getting the moneys owed them by the mother (clothing, food, etc), and of course pays to have them clothed, have their teeth fixed, etc, etc.

    I don’t know what the solution is, but fathers get screwed from all sides.

    What’s even worse, if you are a nice guy and are nice to a single mother you are dating for some length, most of the time the courts rule that since you have been providing for this child that is not your own, you are legally obligated to provide child support. Because you were stupid (…..to provide.)

    __________________________
    * In US 8/9 out of 10 divorces mothers get physical custody of children, even if the legal language of the court says ‘Shared custody’.

    ** Like in everything else, an irresponsible father isn’t gonna care one way or another. They have a bunch of children with a bunch of girlfriends, are usually in and out of jail, and couldn’t give a riff about court decisions. Middle class, responsible fathers get shackled with child support until 18, and sometimes even after 18.

  126. Vigilius 说:

    塔利班是主人不是奴隶!
    回到黑格尔:死亡的恐惧已经成为压迫的根源
    人类历史。
    塔利班拒绝成为奴隶,付出了沉重的代价。
    “西方人”接受成为奴隶(请不要使用那个词!)
    为了一些舒适和安全的幻觉。
    阿富汗是永恒二分法的完美隐喻——主人和奴隶!
    感谢 Israel Shamir 的另一篇鼓舞人心的文章。

  127. JohnH 说:
    @Anon

    Very few men think about transitioning to a woman but there’s always exceptions. Keep your dream alive, it may come to pass.

  128. @anonymous

    One sinister element in all this appears to be that the US was attempting to use this occupied captive country as a test tube experiment whereby they were working to engineer a cultural change within their society.

    The US has not been very successful at nation building during the last decades, I agree. However it seems Gen. MacArthur had much success in his work to rehabilitate Japan following WWII to the extent that Japan was soon the third strongest economy a few years later. The good recipe was lost afteward, though…

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  129. anon[369]• 免责声明 说:

    Shamir is right. There are men and there are freaks.

    Pentapussy filled with Austins and Milleys twerking to oblivion.

    5个舞会

  130. @Anon

    现在拜登有机会指挥并从伊拉克和叙利亚带走美军

    You very well know no USA president can’t think of doing that, and you very well know why.

    IMO your observation is spot on. It’s a rare American President that asserts the interests of the American people, with the tenure of such likely to be brutally terminated.

    I also think Mr. Shamir gives fake-President Biden himself a little too much credit. Poor old Biden is a walking testimony to the ravages of a degenerate lifestyle, with senile dementia painfully evident. Is this man actually capable of independent policy decisions 在所有, let alone anything against the grain?

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    The same sentiments apply to the following assertions…

    I, for one, do not think that America was defeated or that President Biden made a mistake. Far from it. Ending the occupation of a foreign land is a noble act. It was a real victory for Biden, victory over the Deep State, victory over Jewish Lobby.

    Mr. Shamir is right to celebrate the Taliban’s victory. It accentuated the good over the bad in every way that he claims, and I feel a good deal of empathy for these proud and righteous people. May they live well and prosper!

    But I think whatever the American regime is now planning upon being thrown out of Afghanistan is not for the good of Americans or the rest of the world, any more than the USA turned into a benevolent force for good after being kicked out of Vietnam.

    No doubt there’s already more mischief afoot with all those American forces “liberated” from entanglement in the Afghan theatre being allocated to some new adventure or to buttress some failing operation elsewhere.

    Nor IMO was it a victory for Biden, any more than it would have been a victory for Kermit the Frog if he were “President” – seeing how someone’s hand is up Kermit’s butt and calling all the shots.

    You can’t keep good men down. All praise and credit to the Taliban for their hard-won and long drawn out victory over the Evil Empire.

    On the other hand, not so much for Team America ®.

  131. @Anatoly Karlin

    既然你似乎很欣赏塔利班(官方认定为我们居住的恐怖组织)

    ……究竟是谁下定决心“承认”塔利班是你居住的“恐怖组织”?

    让我们在这里诚实点,Team America ® 标签 任何人 谁以错误的方式惹恼他们或挑战他们单方面的“基于规则的秩序”为“恐怖分子”——甚至是阻碍他们的主权国家的国家武装部队!

    塔利班在历史上一直是他们所在地区的一股善良力量。 正是塔利班在 21 世纪初有效地根除了阿富汗的罂粟种植和毒品贸易。

    那是在 Team America ® 选择入侵阿富汗之前 完全没有任何挑衅,破坏联合,杀死尽可能多的人,并建立世界上最大的罂粟产业 由美国武装部队管理和守卫 产生数千亿的非法药物销售,以养活美国团队®的许多秘密(真正的“恐怖分子”) 字母机构。

    所以请提醒我,谁是“恐怖分子”?

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    我宁愿认为一个在没有法律程序或可见性的情况下任意将个人“引渡”到全球秘密酷刑设施的国家,并经常在其他主权国家的领土上法外处决无辜的男人、女人和儿童 成千上万, 有资格作为 恐怖分子的国家.

    我认为一个有记录的国家 一个又一个国家连续入侵和摧毁一个国家,在没有任何挑衅或实际威胁的情况下杀害数百万无辜者并伤害数百万人,并掠夺其非法征服的资源,相当有资格成为“恐怖分子”实体。 当我们谈论地球的整个地理区域时,“海盗”这个标签就有点短了。

    我希望世界上大多数人都会同意这一评估。 我认为世界上大多数人,“他们居住的地方”,会 承认美国是恐怖主义国家.

    不管谁愿意给塔利班贴上“恐怖分子”的标签,国际海事组织(考虑到该国所面临的情况)至多应该将他们视为“自由斗士”。 当然不是“恐怖分子”。

    • 谢谢: Israel Shamir
    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  132. Just another warmongering episode, in a series of many many mini-wars, this one continued for twenty years, it can be summarized here: The final scene of this play became the USA’s (I mean corporate Americas’ not the citizenry at large) version of China’s Belt n Road, win-win jabber. Our Military Industrial Congressional Complex or MICC pocketed a fortune from weapons manufacture, deployment and improved future sales pitches to potential second and third world armaments buyers. Meanwhile western Occident troops are now battlefield ready for conflicts, large or small elsewhere in the world, includes private security firms. Nothing like improving the art of soldiering with real and moving human targets for training and combat! The other part of this Americanized version of win-win are the Taliban. They can now resume their fifteenth century lifestyles, with our military assistance (ditto Syria conflict as well) and virtually guaranty endless outright internal civil strife and social discord. No, staffers at CNN, the purpose was not setting up a logistical springboard to militarily threaten or attack China, nor about mineral rights and mining privileges hint: that infrastructure option necessitates roads, airports and train tracks…The MIC’s didn’t want that for the Afghans!…. In the final analysis, the whole effort was dedicated to perfecting Merlin’s magic to enhance the forgotten science of alchemy- spilling young red blood and transforming it into pure gold. So here we have it, the true “deplorable(s)” are exactly those masters of war Bob Dylan put to lyrics in a famous 60’s song. The three piece Wall Street stuffed shirts, of the MICC , board members and CEO’s who wrongly assumed that the” Me Generation”, forgot about Dylan’s protest…so, sing along with me, https://www.songfacts.com/facts/bob-dylan/masters-of-war

  133. @anonymous

    As Afghanistan goes, destroyed by US Evil since the 70s, so goes the world until the Evil collapses. I don’t think humanity will make it.

    • 回复: @Malla
  134. @gotmituns

    Yes, you Americans have your internal problems, but look at it from the point of view of the rest of the world. We see USer militants with their guns and big boots bombing and killing people in Asia. Of course we are happy when they pause in their slaughter. Go HOME, yanqui! If Jews are your problem, fix it!

  135. @anastasia

    超过 2003 万伊拉克人在 100,000 年之后的侵略中被杀害。写下 XNUMX 人被杀的人是在撒谎,否认大屠杀。

  136. @Naughtius Maximus

    Only Auschwitz tattooed prisoners. We researched my fathers records while in the camps and even though he had his prisoner number on his left arm he would get a new document with a new number at each work camp he was sent to.

  137. Joe Paluka 说:

    “Biden was right to order the US to leave Afghanistan. He demonstrated much stamina in going against pleadings of his army, his intelligence services and the whole of the Deep State.”

    Biden shouldn’t be given any credit, he’s senile and barely knows where he is most of the time. The decision to leave wasn’t made by him but by his handlers, whoever they are. Biden and Kamala are just display dummies to put a face on a regime. A happy face would’ve been just as effective for the drooling television watching masses, but Walmart already owns that image.

  138. Liosnagcat 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    Craig, would you mind providing a reference? I’d love to read about it. Thanks.

  139. Ray Caruso 说:
    @Anon

    你真的认为你与这些人之间的兄弟情谊会比你的会面和他们对“异教徒”的诊断持续的时间更长吗?

    塔利班在与俄罗斯人和中国人打交道时表现得相当合理。 他们与美国人作战是因为美国人占领了他们的国家并试图强加肛门女权主义价值观。 他们会因为你是非穆斯林而自动杀死你的想法是一种偏执的幻想。

    Zioglobohomo suffered a humiliating defeat and showed itself to be incompetent. Those of us hate zioglobohomo are happy about that. If you believe the Taliban, rather than zioglobohomo, is the real enemy, then you’re part of the problem.

  140. Ray Caruso 说:
    @Anon

    That’s an absurd standard. Only particularly type of mentally ill man would trade places with any woman. (((Feminism))) in Afghanistan is dead. May it one day be dead in Christian countries. There were 5 million fewer Whites in the US in 2020 than in 2010. (((Feminism))) is the reason. When feminism is finally done away with, any diehard feminists who protest should be shot in the street.

    • 巨魔: mulga mumblebrain
    • 回复: @Truth
  141. lydia 说:
    @Notsofast

    Source: “7 lies about Afghanistan”, by Thierry Meyssan, Translation Roger Lagassé, Voltaire Network, 20 August 2021, http://www.voltairenet.org/article213772.html

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article213772.html

    Ex-Guantanamo detainee, now ruler of Kabul
    VOLTAIRE NETWORK | 18 AUGUST 2021
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article213761.html

  142. One-off 说:
    @Andreas

    这一点怎么强调都不为过。 考虑到塔利班和沃克帝国之间的选择,普通的阿富汗人觉得前者不那么令人反感。 他们当然是对的。 无法想象对唤醒宗教的更严厉的控诉。 好处是它表明可以切除癌症。

  143. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    people always goes to the extreme! Raping girls in the street? I believe you are talking about New York, or other american cities. I watch the nightly news and see those things happening in american cities all the time! What business do we have telling the afghans to love their sodomites, and “check how much domestic work a pasthum does at home? really? So stop whining about us leaving, we don’t have any business transplanting our sodomite/feminist loving society to other nations. Enough.

  144. Sisifo 说:
    @Anon

    It’s a question of perspective.

    在澳大利亚,阿富汗似乎是一个非常自由的国家,他们的公民可以去市场,可以去工作,父母可以和孩子一起吃饭,如果他们愿意,他们甚至可以去另一个国家。

    我们不能。

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  145. 我们,在美国和欧洲的非穆斯林和非普什图人,可能会欢欣鼓舞

    Wow! Kudos, Mr. Shamir! It is so refreshing in today’s PC world of censored speech and toxic wokeness, to read words that resonate with thoughts that I didn’t even know I harbored in my heart! Superbly written and gloriously expressed!

    I completely agree with your illustration of the Taliban, sans the western repainting of that picture of these descendants of Alexander the Great, when men were men. I question the credit you give to Biden for pulling this off despite the forces that would thwart such a move. It is clear from the howls of protest from all quarters that many are displeased by this turn of events. I pay no heed to those bemoaning the plight of Afghan women – that is just show – nobody spent a single neuron thinking about their plight for the last 20 years, and now suddenly they are all “concerned”.

    然而,我认为拜登策划了这一点不太可信,除非他在总统任期内描绘的整个糊涂和精神受到挑战的角色是一场值得几座奥斯卡奖的戏剧大师表演。 有人在拉他的绳子。 不要注意窗帘后面的((男人/女人))。

    显而易见的问题仍然存在:他们为什么要这样做? 新战略是什么?

    Clearly, this is a time of much chaos in the world, and one wonders if that is deliberate and intended as a distraction from a much more dastardly game of a magnitude beyond our comprehension. Surely the PTB can’t be that stupid or incompetent, or could they?

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  146. @Kali

    I just heard that the US is divoting to Mali and Somalia again, because those fine countries are running out of freedom and mocdocracy.

    • 回复: @mulga mumblebrain
  147. Truth 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    There were 5 million fewer Whites in the US in 2020 than in 2010.

    (((Feminism))) is the reason. When feminism is finally done away with, any diehard feminists who protest should be shot in the street.

    That ought to do wonders for the birth rate.

    • 回复: @Ray Caruso
  148. kfeto 说:

    A picture speaks a thousand words.
    He’s got his feet on the space reserved for the food.

  149. Annwn 说: • 您的网站

    « Because in Afghanistan, virile (and not” toxic “) masculinity has conquered gender diversity », says the author.
    If it is in the Spirit of the « Ishmaelites » and the « Templars », indeed, it is rather a good thing.
    If not, it is inertia at best.
    Explanation (in French):
    Templars : https://livresdefemmeslivresdeverites.blogspot.com/2017/07/lestempliers.html
    Ishmaelites : https://livresdefemmeslivresdeverites.blogspot.com/2017/07/islamismeismaeliensarabesettouareg.html

  150. @billb

    Stephens is a very Evil Zionazi, in my opinion. And stupid. Destabilise Pakistan and their nukes could end up in the hands of those who would use them on his beloved Israel. Or on India, and we all go out in a nuclear winter. That’s what 3500 years of hatred can do to the soul.

  151. @Dumbo

    The browns will do it for us. We have too much to lose, we’re degenerate cowards, we’ve lost our spontaneity. But the browns are volatile (rappers, gangbanggers, boxers, basketball players etc.). As far as I have observed, they dislike trannies, wimmin, “Jews” etc. much more energetically than we do.

  152. One does not have to be a genius to understand that not every enemy of neocons is necessarily a good guy, let alone our friend; besides, if you want to know about Putin’s own cozy relationship with Israel (the country, not the author), just read some of Anatoly Karlin’s past articles on this same webzine.

    • 回复: @Alfred
    , @lydia
  153. @RichardDuck

    However it seems Gen. MacArthur had much success in his work to rehabilitate Japan following WWII to the extent that Japan was soon the third strongest economy a few years later. The good recipe was lost afteward, though…

    Neither Japan nor Germany owe their post-war success to the US, aside from its forbearance from their total destruction and its willingness to foot the bulk of their defence costs for a few decades. It was the efforts of the Japanese and German peoples, who had experienced relatively stable and developed societies before the war, that allowed them to rebuild into successful countries, largely as relatively homogeneous nations.

    When the Humpty-Dumpty we know as the US falls into pieces, there will be no putting it back together again, because its elites have systematically weakened the nation that originally put it together.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  154. @mulga mumblebrain

    I guess playing the Golf of Aden is a nice change from always playing the Persian Golf.

  155. @Ultrafart the Brave

    ……究竟是谁下定决心“承认”塔利班是你居住的“恐怖组织”?

    Vladimir Putin in May 2000. http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/38119

    塔利班在历史上一直是他们所在地区的一股善良力量。

    Blowing up girls’ schools and cutting off the fingers of peasants for voting in elections is good in your world. Good to know.

    That was before Team America ® chose to invade Afghanistan without any provocation at all, trash the joint, kill as many people as they could and set up the world’s biggest Poppy industry managed and guarded by American armed forces…

    罂粟生产集中在塔利班地区。 回想起来,美国人相当愚蠢地在喀布尔控制的地区镇压了它,有效地将所有利润从它转移到了塔利班。

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  156. @E_Perez

    It is said according to official sources at the time that 100.000 French people were summarily executed during La Liberation.

    The data published in 1992 show 8775 extra-judicial executions in 84 departments out of 90. Far away from 100 k.

  157. Si1ver1ock 说:

    How about we withdraw from Syria next, and then Iraq?

  158. follyofwar 说:
    @traducteur

    Agreed! Mr. Shamir is a great original thinker, as well as a captivating writer. I love how he constantly goes against the grain, against the mainstream narrative being forced down our collective throats by a dishonest, Jewish neocon controlled media which only reports government-approved propaganda. My hope is that Shamir is not being too optimistic of Afghanistan’s future under Taliban rule.

  159. Reaper 说:

    “塔利班击败了沃克里; 他们并不像我们一样害怕政治不正确。 ”

    那么在东欧我们也是塔利班吗? 🙂

    对我来说,“政治正确”这个词大致相当于:胆小的蛇机会主义者。

    反正:
    “因此,所有武装的先知都取得了胜利,而所有没有武装的先知都被摧毁了。”

  160. Ray Caruso 说:
    @Truth

    As if feminist harpies had lots of babies, dumb-dumb. American cuntservatives like you don’t just suffer from cognitive dissonance; you live in a fantasy world.

    • 回复: @schnellandine
  161. Alfred 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    if you want to know about Putin’s own cozy relationship with Israel (the country, not the author), just read some of Anatoly Karlin’s past articles on this same webzine.

    Anatoly Karlin is the idiot who was telling us all 16 months ago that Covid-19 was going to decimates us. He never apologised or admitted his mistake. Instead, he banned people like me from commenting on his silly missives – because we were correct.

    FYI, Putin is a brilliant strategist. He thinks long-term. To understand what is really going on between Israel, Syria and Russia, I recommend this video which totally contradicts your opinion above. Russia is gradually putting the demon Israel back in its box – firmly. 🙂

    Russia Gives Israel Veiled Warning Air Strikes on Syria Must End

    • 谢谢: Skeptikal, Larchmonter420
    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  162. Ray Caruso 说:
    @Dumbo

    I think Western traditionalists and nationalists have been thoroughly defeated.

    We have been defeated in the same way our Taliban buddies were defeated in 2001. Like them, we seem to be down and out, but the reality is that we are biding our time. We can never be truly defeated because we represent the natural order of things. The Zio-Homo-Gyno regime is a house of cards. That’s as true in Christian countries as it was in Afghanistan.

    • 同意: Alfred
  163. @Ray Caruso

    babies, dumb-dumb

    UR illiterates, note: That was a vocative comma. This comment comprises 2 altogether. They clarify.

  164. anonymous[419]• 免责声明 说:
    @Dumbo

    Despite the occasional green eyes, Afghani women don’t age well.

    Lol! It happens to everybody not just Afghan women.

    Firstly, a hard life makes that happen.

    And, have you seen how some of the yesteryear Hollywood “heartthrobs” have aged now?

    • 回复: @Dumbo
  165. Ray Caruso 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yeah, like the CIA would say something different. We know you trust their “polls”, which implies you think Afghan peasants would confide to a total stranger that they support the Taliban, so here’s something that will shock you: CIA agents lie for a living. Just as they claim the Taliban allowed 帕夏坝子 while their puppet regime banned it, which is the opposite of the truth, of course they would claim they suppressed opium production while the Taliban profited from it. The reality is that the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking for decades, for the purpose of recruiting local drug lords as allies but, more importantly, to collect fabulous profits for itself and for the psychopaths it employs—and it never hurts to remind that the odious George H.W. Bush was its head during the Ford years. CIA drug trafficking has been going for decades, not just in Afghanistan but also in Southeast Asia, in Latin America, and elsewhere. It’s quite well-documented and the evidence is available to all who care to look at it. Back when the NYT was still a semi-serious publication instead of a straight-up propaganda rag, even they would admit it:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/12/03/opinion/IHT-the-cia-drug-connectionis-as-old-as-the-agency.html

    The CIA is the most corrupt organization in the world’s most corrupt country. It’s totally fitting that the king of cuntservatives, Sean Hannity, doesn’t do his garbage show without a CIA pin on his lapel.

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  166. Dumbo 说:
    @anonymous

    Yes, that’s true. Actually Hollywood stars may age in a worse way, because they make those terrible plastic surgeries that deform their faces. At least this woman is still recognizable.

  167. Mevashir 说:

    We can understand Shamir’s pining for hirsute men since he moves in circles with clean shaven Roman Catholic and Protestant priests, and clean shaven Russian Orthodox politicians generals and business tycoons. The Russian priests are bearded as are the rabbis in Shamir’s occasional Zionist homeland, but perhaps he has grown bored of those people who are generally unarmed (although quick to rally behind the troops and to exhort them on to martial glory) and thus he turns on to the Taliban freedom fighters.

    我们建议沙米尔搬到阿富汗,花几年时间享受开明的塔利班统治。 也许他们会给他一两个童养媳。 然后他可以向我们更新他的好评如潮。 我们的猜测是,他会发现那里的生活有点毛茸茸(不是说他们有男子气概的胡须)。

    我们必须问自己的一个重要问题是,任何意识形态,无论多么残酷和原始,是否都比没有意识形态,无论多么开明。

    Please practice what you preach, Shamir. Maybe they will hire you on as the first Taliban consultant on Judeo-Christian relations. Look at the good side: at least you won’t have to circumcise 20 million Afghani men (not so sure about the women though).

    另一个想法: Bog 是俄语中的上帝. 也是如此 布吉曼 耶稣? 洛洛洛

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  168. @Ed Case

    I appreciate all on this site, but sorry man, you need to be red-pilled big time…

    We’ve got a mixed bag here….right, Wiesel is a novelist, that means fiction writer, that means he makes stuff up and writes it on paper, and in his case it’s really lame stuff…his novel “Night” is pretty much retarded nonsense. Is this what you mean by he was there?

    In it he says when the Soviets were coming the Germans made all the prisoners leave, they had to run something like 20 miles in the snow in the freezing night in their old rags, and anyone who stopped got shot. So Auschwitz, far from being “definitely a harsh place” really must have been more like a Gold’s Gym and Golden Corral rolled into one…how did prisoners being starved and tortured daily manage this magnificent feat…not 1 person in probably 1,000,000 in modern America could do this, even under the motivation of else being shot. And in fact why were there prisoners left at all when the Germans were throwing them in ovens and gassing them as fast as the violins marched the new arrivals to the death showers?

  169. @Dumbo

    Looks like we’re not the only ones who have transgenders….that’s a dude in purple, right?!

  170. R2b 说:

    你认为以色列是一个非常自由主义的基督徒吗?
    尤其是在你关于异性的描述中。
    你为什么提倡用石头打通奸?

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  171. Mevashir 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    To understand Shorn Vanity’s infatuation with the CIA, you have to understand that it is essentially a Roman Catholic organization. Vanity and Bull O’Really are devout Catholics (at least outside the bedroom). For them the CIA is like a modern version of the Knights Templar protecting the pro-Vatican American Empire. The CIA has always staged coups and undermined left wing governments in obedience to the Vatican’s obsession with Communism. That’s why we fought in Vietnam, opposed Castro, constantly intervened in Latin America, all in accord with the Vatican’s anti-communist anti-leftist agenda.

  172. Mevashir 说:
    @R2b

    好Q!!!

    当我作为东正教犹太人住在以色列时,我认识的大多数以色列人都认为基督教犹太复国主义者是推动犹太复国主义议程的有用白痴。 他们不尊重他们的神学,甚至他们的文化或生活方式。 他们拿了钱,在背后冷笑。

    I think Shamir would be a perfect example of a Taliban useful idiot. Consider the Taliban’s ineptitude dealing with the modern world. Supposedly in the 20 years the US occupied Afghanistan, their population has doubled from 20 to 40 million, for the simple reason that, like the Catholic Church, their brand of Islam forbids contraception abortion or family planning.

    塔利班就像蝗虫一样,超越了他们的环境,然后他们向西方呼求金钱和援助。 因为阿富汗一直是一个战略十字路口,总有一些西方全球化势力愿意迎合阿富汗部落的原始需求。

    现在中国人即将加入竞争。 知道中国人是否会成功地驯服这些具有巨大性欲的野生沙漠勇士,这将是非常有趣的。 也许新疆是中国计划在阿富汗做的热身。 愿佛菩萨保佑他们!

    • 回复: @babu
    , @Francis Miville
  173. lydia 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    look up Putin’s rabbi and film of Putin with the lubivitchers at the wailing wall wearing a yalmulka
    FitzInfo site has a section called Putinstein with many links to about this fake antichrist

  174. @Anatoly Karlin

    好吧,阿纳托利,我也赞成在以色列被视为恐怖分子的哈马斯; 我赞成红色高棉,他应该被你或许多干净的主流人士所厌恶; 我呼吁车臣独立(也被禁止); 我支持美国和以色列的敌人阿桑奇和瓦努努。 你赞成什么,我的朋友? 封锁,面具,Covid 崇拜?
    你对阿富汗的了解是零。 在你最近的一篇文章中,你声称只有 13% 的阿富汗人支持符合伊斯兰教法正义的塔利班。 同一天,你可以在史蒂夫·塞勒的一篇文章中看到真实的统计数据:98% 的阿富汗人想要伊斯兰教法和完整的伊斯兰国(肯定不是伊斯兰国的风格),即塔利班或比塔利班更严厉。
    你最后的评论太糟糕了。 你写了很多次你在美国时被告知“如果你这么喜欢俄罗斯,为什么你还没到那里呢?” 现在你对我做了你讨厌的事。 希勒尔不会同意。
    无论如何,我的回答很简单:我写了许多伟大的男人和女人的许多奇妙的事迹; 如果我每次都搬家,我必须走很多英里! 我积极而激动地写了白俄罗斯的卢卡申科(你恨他),雅尔塔的斯大林(你的另一个恨),越南,红色高棉,巴勒斯坦人,日本传统,希腊教堂; 瑞典英雄; 1980-1989 年的阿富汗,2001 年的阿富汗,是的,从德国到新西兰,与封锁作斗争的英雄们。 请允许我对塔利班的胜利感到兴奋,而不是加入他们。

    • 哈哈: Cloak And Dagger
  175. @RadicalCenter

    我完全是为了宽恕; 让被背叛的丈夫有机会原谅他的妻子,就像约瑟夫原谅了玛丽(在天使告诉他之前)。

  176. @nickels

    I’m going to be Commander-in-Chief of the Firing Squad Directorate.

  177. some_loon 说:

    I can easily see giving credit to Biden for pulling out. Even if late, and even if that lateness itself has had consequences in theater.

    Mr. Shamir seems to be giving him too much credit, however. Just because divorces are messy doesn’t explain the messy withdrawl. An out of touch political leadership does.

    And Mr. Shamir is treating an operation as badly needed as it was badly executed, as a 4D chess move.

    I does seem odd, also, to speak of Biden’s ‘stamina’ given his short workdays and his long holidays.

  178. @Sisifo

    令人震惊的真实! 以色列人也做不到!

  179. @Cloak And Dagger

    这可以被视为对可能认为他们发号施令的新保守派的一次强有力的打击(在美国内部的背景下)。 如果你必须有一个阴谋,那就是在 Deep State/Dem 党内针对 Neocons 的阴谋。

    • 回复: @Cloak And Dagger
  180. @Mevashir

    我喜欢一个为自己的笑话而笑的人

    洛洛洛

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  181. @Alfred

    Thanks for the video, which I haven’t yet finished watching. In fact, some time ago I was curious about exactly the sort of details of the Russia-Israel relations which this Mercouris guy expounds. Anyway, I think you convinced me to reassess this point.

    As for the Taliban, there is nothing to reconsider. They are awful.

    • 谢谢: Alfred
  182. @israel shamir

    它可以被视为对新保守主义者的一次强有力的打击(在美国内部)

    我很愿意相信,以免我们忘记,拜登是阻止奥巴马撤出阿富汗的一部分(并不是说奥巴马需要太多的反击)。

  183. @israel shamir

    Your understanding of Afghanistan is nil. … 98 per cent of Afghans want Sharia and full Islamic State (not the ISIS style, for sure), that is Taliban or harsher than Taliban.

    你知道阿富汗 2001-21 年实际上是 伊斯兰 阿富汗共和国,那 伊斯兰教 在其法理学中发挥了重要作用?

    白俄罗斯的卢卡申科(你恨他),雅尔塔的斯大林(你又恨他)

    正确,我不喜欢占领俄罗斯、在饥荒中杀死数百万人、将俄罗斯国家分为多个人为政治结构(如 UkSSR 和 BSSR)的国际恐怖分子团伙。 我也不喜欢那些维护这些结构的狱警,愤世嫉俗地要求俄罗斯援助(石油运输占白俄罗斯 GDP 的多少?),同时镇压俄罗斯工会主义者并鼓励反俄罗斯民族主义者 (zmagars)。

    你写了很多次你在美国时被告知“如果你这么喜欢俄罗斯,为什么你还没到那里呢?” 现在你对我做了你讨厌的事。 希勒尔不会同意。

    只是在我被带到西方时还是个孩子的情况下,这是一种非法的批评。 当我有独立的手段时,我离开了。

    Conversely, it’s telling that when you actually lived in the Soviet Union, according to your own publicly available account, you loved it so much that you emigrated to the land of your ethnic kin and joined the IDF at the first opportunity. I suppose it’s much nicer to stan for Lenin and Stalin from Putin’s Russia, as opposed to actually living in the state they created.

    I think readers it’s only fair that readers should be aware that you not only do you not emigrate to the objects of your praise (not always a realistic or reasonable proposition, admittedly), but actively 逃离 from them in the one case in which you had “skin in the game.”

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @anon
    , @israel shamir
  184. @Anatoly Karlin

    既然你似乎很欣赏塔利班(官方认定为我们居住的恐怖组织)

    ……究竟是谁下定决心“承认”塔利班是你居住的“恐怖组织”?

    Vladimir Putin in May 2000. http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/38119

    Well now, let’s be objective here and take you at your word.

    You yourself, in your very own post against Mr. Shamir’s article, stated that the Taliban is “officially recognized as a terrorist organization 我们住的地方“. Your words.

    And on being asked who exactly made that determination, you responded – Vladimir Putin!

    So now, if we really want to give your emphatic assertion credence, then perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and think about packing up your bags and heading on back to Russia (我们住的地方).

    P.S. All power to President Putin, one of a very few world leaders with a spine, a conscience and an unmatched strategic intellect.

  185. Johan 说:

    The RPG rocket launcher, of the kind preferred by the Talibs, really hurts.

    Here, you microagression pussies, dig this aggressive grenade. Haha, military shocktherapy for decadent lunatics.

    real muscular democracy

    What nonsense, there exist no real ‘muscular’ democracy, Afghanistan has a temporal system which is the product of the continuous meddling of other bigger forces and inevitable changes in the world. A system in between, being a copy of some sort which according to the narrative of Shamir temporarily appears to be resilient from the influence of all value destroying decadent Western imperialist democracy. The only real form of democracy throughout history is that which produces chaos, licentiousness, cultural corruption and decadence. If it keeps to this system but is in lack of strong and bold leaders which are the only means of preventing typical democratic decline it will become like the rest of the democracies in a matter of a very short time. There is no more culturally destructive missile than democracy, playing with it is playing with something highly explosive.

    Can someone send Shamir some books of Western political philosophy, starting from the most solid source, the ancient Greeks, so that he can put his religious bible and his secular bible of communism aside for a while. So that he can communicate with intelligent enlightened Westerners, as far as we have not become tendentious imbeciles, instead of feeding us with Christian and communist ideas, a bit outdated here. Then we can combine his optimist realism with realist Western political philosophy.

  186. Mevashir 说:

    Shamir is really shmearing the scheiß here.

    We spent 20 years and 2 trillion dollars training an army of incompetent traitors who have now handed over all of our advanced weaponry completely free to the Taliban, who no doubt will soon be transferring prototypes to China for them to analyze reverse-engineer and steal.

    The American architects of this horrendously mistaken policy of trying to build an alliance with a bunch of primitive third world tribal anti-Christian Islamists are not only fools but guilty of the deepest treason against our society. Bush 2 Rice Cheney Powell Wolfowitz Pearle Feif Cohen should all be lined up at the wall and shot. We can even do better than Stalin and not just send a bill for the bullets to their families but ask each one of them to pay back their portion of the 2 trillion dollars.

    Apparently so long as the MIC and their Wall Street headquarters get paid, they don’t care who has the weapons. They are Traitors also.

    Islam has its virtues, but Shamir, who constantly waxes eloquent about his Russian Orthodox faith, should be the first to remember that Islam denies the foundational beliefs of Christianity: that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead. Why he wants to encourage them and sing peons to them is inexplicable and shamefully odious:

    https://mevashir.home.blog/2019/12/19/korn-quran-crown-%d7%a7%d7%a8%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%9f/

  187. Mevashir 说:
    @israel shamir

    I wasn’t laughing at my joke I was laughing at you. This article is a joke but certainly it’s not funny.

  188. Johan 说:

    Considering the decadence of Western society which Shamir and many other people justly and mockinly address in many ways, the common sense which Shamir and other people advocate. This lack of common sense, or better said societal lunacy, which always spreads like a wildfire in a democracy was addressed already over two millennia ago.

    Common sense approach to a tyranny of the medical industry:

    When a carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and ready cure; an emetic or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these are his remedies. And if some one prescribes for him a course of dietetics, and tells him that he must swathe and swaddle his head, and all that sort of thing, he replies at once that he has no time to be ill, and that he sees no good in a life which is spent in nursing his disease to the neglect of his customary employment; and therefore bidding good-bye to this sort of physician, he resumes his ordinary habits, and either gets well and lives and does his business, or, if his constitution fails, he dies and has no more trouble. Yes, he said, and a man in his condition of life ought to use the art of medicine thus far only. Has he not, I said, an occupation; and what profit would there be in his life if he were deprived of his occupation? Plato – The Republic

    The situation of an tyrannical oligarchy and the typical democratic reaction in the form of modern conspiracy theories has also been addressed:

    当一个渴望自由的民主国家有邪恶的酒政主持盛宴,并且喝了太多自由的烈酒,那么,除非她的统治者非常顺从并给予充足的饮料,否则她会要求他们负责并惩罚他们,并说他们是被诅咒的寡头。 柏拉图——共和国

    About the dictatorial culture weakening hyper regulation which we are subjected to in our Western democracies, which undermines the vitality of societies, which is not at all just a matter of the Corona situation, but a structural long term ever growing problem problem:

    Adeimantus 说,如果没有上帝的帮助,他们将永远制定和修正他们的法律和他们的生活,以期达到完美。 柏拉图——共和国

    Commercialism running wild typically in a democracy has also been observed by the best of philosophers. The Western democracies are commercialized to the point of absolute madness and widespread destruction and corruption of cultural values. Every thing is for sale, an old point of critique with regard to democracy.

    Who said that all Western philosophy is a footnote to Plato. My question is whether the alternative media writers have something new to report, or do they only engage in producing endless variations on the same theme. And where did they get their education, have even the writers in the alternative media been spoonfed with modern propaganda stuff and at best Christianity as the only form of spirituality?

    Keep on promoting democracy, while all non biased and honest analysis points to the conclusion that all corruption, destruction and mass idiocy which threatens the non Western world initiates from Western democracies. And it does not initiate from any particular group as many writers would like people to believe, such blame theories are typical of the continuous endless war among the people which is democracy.

    • 同意: Alfred
  189. Malla 说:
    @Truth

    from leaving the niggers, queers, fags, lefties and the rest,

    It would make more sense for human civilization if instead they send these fags, trannies, niggers, lefties and the rest etc… to the Taliban Valhalla and see them disciplined up while they build a new Valhalla in the West.

  190. Malla 说:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    As Afghanistan goes, destroyed by US Evil since the 70s, so goes the world until the Evil collapses. I don’t think humanity will make it.

    How was Afghanistan destroyed by US evil form the 1970s????

    • 回复: @Half Back
  191. @Jack McArthur

    “那我也不定你的罪,”耶稣宣称。 “现在走吧,离开你的罪恶生活。” (约翰福音 8:3-

    I am a Shia Muslim and I love and respect Prince of Peace Jesus (as). But the above fairy tale is the most ludicrous story I have ever heard. First of all there is no such thing called, “adultery”. In Jesus language it is called, “zina” which means fornication is defined as a male and a female have sex who are not legally married to each.

    Zina is almost impossible to prove in Islam, it is like looking for a needle in haystack. To prove zina it requires four (not the usual two) witnesses who have seen penetration to take place as it takes two to tango. I believe the rules are pretty much same in Judaism, but only two witnesses are sufficient. Below is the equal punishment to both the man and the woman according to the Holy Quran.

    第24章:光明

    1. ˹This is˺ a sûrah which We have revealed and made ˹its rulings˺ obligatory, and revealed in it clear commandments so that you may be mindful.

    2. As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment.

    3. A male fornicator would only marry a female fornicator or idolatress. And a female fornicator would only be married to a fornicator or idolater. This is ˹all˺ forbidden to the believers.

    4. Those who accuse chaste women ˹of adultery˺ and fail to produce four witnesses, give them eighty lashes ˹each˺. And do not ever accept any testimony from them—for they are indeed the rebellious—

    5. except those who repent afterwards and mend their ways, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    https://quran.com/24

    In the above ludicrous story of Jesus, there is no mention of the man who commuted fornication with the women, as it takes two to tango.

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Jack McArthur
  192. Truth 说:

    一群宗教极端分子控制了这是一件好事。 他们将把这个国家带回过去的美好时光。

    • 哈哈: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  193. @israel shamir

    你对阿富汗的了解是零。 在你最近的一篇文章中,你声称只有 13% 的阿富汗人支持符合伊斯兰教法正义的塔利班。 同一天,你可以在史蒂夫·塞勒的一篇文章中看到真实的统计数据:98% 的阿富汗人想要伊斯兰教法和完整的伊斯兰国(肯定不是伊斯兰国的风格),即塔利班或比塔利班更严厉。

    这些是新的和改进的塔利班 2.0 (Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar)。 旧的塔利班 1.0 被根除,因为它们闻起来很刺鼻。 香水(塔利班)的名称相同,但新的塔利班 2.0 采用不同的包装并具有出色的香味。

    When someone mentions “Sharia (Law), I usually laugh. Which Sharia and whose Shari. Muslims have minimally six sharia and they conflict with each other. The six sharia are:

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    1.逊尼派哈纳菲(最大)
    2.逊尼派沙飞(第二大)
    3. 逊尼派马利基(以阿联酋为例)
    4. 逊尼派汉巴利(作为 KSA 和塔利班 1.0 实践的例子)
    5. 什叶派(大多数什叶派信徒,主要是阿拉伯人和伊朗人)
    6. Ibada(在阿曼实习)

    其他:
    1. 逊尼派苏菲派(包括塔利班 2.0 在内的庞大团体。苏菲派非常接近什叶派,因为他们像什叶派一样非常精神)
    2. 逊尼派卡迪亚尼(印度和巴基斯坦)
    3. Shia Zaidi(也门胡蒂人)
    4. Shia Ismaili(沙特、印度和巴基斯坦)
    5. 什叶派阿拉维派(叙利亚)
    6. 耍蛇人(至少我忘了他们)。

    毛拉·阿卜杜勒·加尼·巴拉达尔在美国的监督下在巴基斯坦呆了八年。 然后美国要求巴基斯坦释放他,让他去卡塔尔。 他是一名苏菲派,每个月都会与他的代表团一起前往伊朗,以祈求伊朗的祝福。 他于 2021 年 XNUMX 月在伊朗,在哈桑·鲁哈尼和穆罕默德·贾瓦德·扎里夫的旧政权下。 在伊朗新政权下,阿富汗和巴拉达尔的档案仍由穆罕默德·贾瓦德·扎里夫保管。

    在美国进入阿富汗之前,几乎所有阿富汗都是苏菲派或什叶派。 美国将 KSA 带到了阿富汗,剩下的就是历史了。

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

  194. @Truth

    一群宗教极端分子控制了这是一件好事。 他们将把这个国家带回过去的美好时光。

    Yes, Sayyid Khomeini is godsend as these days Muslims dress modestly and don’t dress like the Iranians did under the Shah.

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

  195. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    First of all there is no such thing called, “adultery”. In Jesus language it is called, “zina” which means fornication is defined as a male and a female have sex who are not legally married to each.

    Zina is fornication, which is sex between two unmarried people or between a married man and an unmarried woman. (A married woman is always guilty of adultery whether she has sex with a married man apart from her husband or another unmarried man.) This is totally different from adultery which is illicit sex between a married woman and any man, married or single, who is not her husband.

    In Torah Judaism, if a married woman has sex with a man besides her husband, whether he is married or single, that is called adultery, Ni’uf in Hebrew. Zina is Z’nut in Hebrew. And in such a case both the married woman and her lover, whether married to someone else or single, are guilty of adultery and subject to the death penalty.

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    In the Bible two people who fornicate are forced to get married. If the man does not want to marry his girlfriend, then he has to pay a large fine to her father because he has taken her virginity and greatly diminished her marriage prospects. Fornication is a very serious moral crime but it is not worthy of capital punishment. In Jewish mysticism and the Hasidic tradition, fornication causes devastating spiritual and emotional problems, particularly in the man, leading to depression mental illness and even suicide.

    However adultery is considered a much more serious crime for the simple reason that if the adulterous woman becomes pregnant we cannot know who the father is. Is it her lover or her husband? And in a culture that greatly values patriarchal genealogy, this is unacceptable.

    A married woman who has sex with a man other than her husband is guilty of a capital crime, assuming many conditions are met, as you mention regarding Islam requiring multiple witnesses. A man single or married who has sex with a married woman also is guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty. However a married man who fornicates with an unmarried woman is not guilty of adultery but only fornication, which is not a capital crime but it’s a serious moral infraction.

    A married woman who fornicates with an unmarried man is still guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty, probably for the reason I cited about the ambiguity of her pregnancy.

    And you are correct that in the Gospel story, it is suspicious that only the woman was taken in adultery but no man was accused or produced before the court. Christian Bible commentators discuss this:

    https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/woman-caught-in-adultery
    MAY 4,2018
    基督徒生活
    基督徒品格
    The Woman Caught in Adultery
    约翰福音 7:53 – 8:6
    JOHN 7:53 – 8:6
    “The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, ‘Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?’ ” (8:3–5).

    We begin today a short study of one of the most famous passages in the gospel of John and, perhaps, in all of Scripture. John 7:53–8:11 in most Bibles records the story of the woman caught in adultery, a powerful account of our Savior’s wisdom and grace.

    However, we must note that whether John actually recorded this story is up for debate. Most biblical scholars do not believe this is a Johannine text because it is not found in many of the oldest New Testament manuscripts. Moreover, the manuscripts that do have the story do not all agree on where it should be placed. Some manuscripts have it in other places in John, while some even have it in the gospel of Luke. Nevertheless, it is an ancient story referenced in several of the earliest church fathers, and the church has long held that it records an authentic episode from the life of Christ. Thus, we agree with John Calvin that since the passage “contains nothing unworthy of an Apostolic Spirit, there is no reason why we should refuse to apply it to our advantage.”

    The account describes an occasion when the scribes and Pharisees brought to Jesus a woman they had caught in adultery (John 8:1–4). Right away, astute observers will notice that something is amiss. It takes two people to commit an act of physical adultery, and if the woman was caught in the act, a man would have been caught as well. Where is he? The text does not say, but the very fact that only the woman is charged shows that these religious leaders were not concerned with the law. Both the man and the woman were to be punished when they were guilty of adultery (Lev. 20:10), but the scribes and the Pharisees sought to condemn only the woman.

    Incidentally, I believe that the Islamic practice of polygamy permitting up to four wives is enlightened. I have read that in most societies around the world there are twice as many marriageable women as there are men who are capable of supporting a family and hence polygamy is the best way to save women from destitution prostitution living on the street etcetera.

  196. anon[676]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You seem to have a problem with concept of Shariah that is more based on the understandings of the roaches from OK ,TX, and FL and from few other moron majority states .Those very nasty idiots wont have any problem with 1- entrapments of the innocents on terror charges . 2 Those nasty roaches wont have nay problem to let people languish in Guantanamo for 10-15 years without any charges, trials or basic rights . 3 These nasty roaches wont have any problem in killing the crowds who might gather to pray at the funerals of the slain from the sky by the missiles for no reason other than some similarities to Taliban . 4 They did not ‘t have any problem in getting their junks examined and exposed by TSA .
    5 These psycho kept quite when America was destroying literally Afghanistan from 1979 and was corrupting the Pakistani society with money and adulations. 6 These psycho’s grandparents actually offered prayer before the planes flew to Japan to nuke 2 cities . They still think that nuclear war can be considered if that ushers in Jesus’s return . 7 Think of what will happen if they (dont worry of Taliban) get hold of the nukes .

    Dont worry about taliban .They dont have messianic zeal of these Evangelic or other varieties of Christianity . Taliban doesn’t have the zeal of the secular variety also who promote values at the gun point all over them world.

    At least one can say that Taliban rose from the 15 years constant war to safeguard what was left of the country .

    What would happen ,one wonders if tomorrow China or Mexico somehow manages to do to USA what USA has done to Iraq or Syria or Somalai or Afghanistan ? These roaches and their partners in crimes who pontificate from the mega Evangelical churches will take over and introduce their ideas of progress, science,role of women ,evolution and education. There will be hundreds of different versions of Shariahas instead of one drawing the strengths from Orthodox to Syriac t o Coptic to Greek to Pilgrims claims of what Christianity should be . Evangelical will cut the throats of the rivals without batting the eye . Just notice how these morons have joined stupidest against vaccine and mask or social distancing . Don’t forget their fiery bible breathing full throated vocal support for war against Iraq . Graham even sent truck lands of bible to Jordan to convert Iraqis.
    The educated will leave USA. Only the warmongering whores and the religious buffoons will proliferate and succeed once these psycho the over .

    Taliban came out of the context of total devastations wrecked by 2 western powers for their own games.
    .

    2001’s 911 was horrendous but more in visuals in effects than in substance . 911 has been visiting rest of the world periodically for last 70 years . Original 911 was on Chile . Taliban from Washington did it . This year the same Taliban’s program known as Plan Columbia killed Haitian president creating the entire operation from Florida . That program unleashed horrors in Colombia .

    Educate yourself about what constitutes tyranny and terror .

  197. @Mevashir

    A married woman who fornicates with an unmarried man is still guilty of adultery and is liable to the death penalty, probably for the reason I cited about the ambiguity of her pregnancy.

    And you are correct that in the Gospel story, it is suspicious that only the woman was taken in adultery but no man was accused or produced before the court. Christian Bible commentators discuss this:

    Thank you for such an excellent write. You are right and I didn’t want to get into much detail. If a married woman gets pregnant it is always assumed that the father is the husband, unless it can be proven with four witnesses that the penetration is done by another man, which is almost impossible to prove.

    The problem arises when a unmarried woman get pregnant, then it is usually assumed that the woman is guilty which is blindly following some sharia. Different sharia have different rules and most of them punish the woman without doing any research who is the man behind her pregnancy. In Shia sharia, it has to be researched discreetly as the rights of the unborn child are involved too. Again, very brief.

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

  198. @Mevashir

    Salam Mevashir,

    The same Sura 24, The light continuing to verses 6 to 10

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    6. And those who accuse their wives ˹of adultery˺ but have no witness except themselves, the accuser must testify, swearing four times by Allah that he is telling the truth,

    7. and a fifth oath that Allah may condemn him if he is lying.

    8. For her to be spared the punishment, she must swear four times by Allah that he is telling a lie,

    9. and a fifth oath that Allah may be displeased with her if he is telling the truth.

    10. ˹You would have suffered,˺ had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, and had Allah not been Accepting of Repentance, All-Wise.

    https://quran.com/24

    谢谢,

    穆罕默德

  199. Half Back 说:
    @Malla

    I give it go. From the top of my head Jimmy Carter was Prez 1976 to 1980. A communist government rules Afghanistan from maybe 1970 to 1979 where under a civil war funded by the US caused a Soviet Union to ‘invade in 1980 . A certain Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy political security advisor was hoping the Soviet Union would invade and wasn’t leavin it to chance by destabilizing Afghanistan -‘to give them (soviets) their own Vietnam. So the position is by funding the opposition gov thru to late Seventies caused a civil war thus lead to invasion by the Soviets thus to the mujahedin. (properly little different than today Taliban with other provincial recruits AND with a mujahedin from other Muslim countries also. You know the story from their….. stingers ..weapons Bin Laden…

    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Malla
  200. 我一般喜欢你对事情的看法。 事实上,我几乎总是这样做,但我反对称 Virginia Guiffre 为老年巨魔。 关于爱泼斯坦以及与他有关的每个人,有些事情真的很恶心。 虽然我同意没有任何证据在法庭上得到证实,但有许多证词是在宣誓下进行的,需要审查。 我讨厌#believeallwomen 比喻,但我相信 Giuffre 女士。 请不要在以后无谓的侮辱,这只会让你看起来很糟糕。

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  201. @Larchmonter420

    The context of my comment is that essay writer says he is a Christian but advocates stoning of an adulterer. This was never the Christian way. What you think about the gospels and what Christians think of the Quran is nothing to do with the issue at hand.

    • 回复: @anon
    , @Larchmonter420
  202. @disemelevatorized

    即使根据她自己的记录,在她自己的书中,她也是一个妓女,为了一拳英镑将自己的身体卖给了王子。 她 17 岁; 一个完全可以接受的性交年龄。 现在她想赚更多的钱。 在我看来,绝对令人反感的生物。

    • 同意: Alfred
  203. @Anatoly Karlin

    逃离他们

    而是夸大其词。 我喜欢 1960 年代苏联的生活,但我一直在寻找冒险、危险和游戏; 苏联这些年非常平静和稳定。 没有必要逃跑或逃跑; 我刚刚启程进行了一次漫长的冒险航行。 同样,我离开了许多美妙的地方,被旅行癖所追求。
    至于塔利班描述的“恐怖实体”,它有点过时了。 现在它们被 Lavrov 等人所接受; 经安理会同意后将被除名。 以色列的赫鲁特、南非的非国大也在名单之列; 这不是永久性的瑕疵。

  204. Johan 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shamir provides an alternative, so that we Westerners do not have to go to a mega max movie theatre to watch Braveheart. I also enjoyed the satire, decadent Westerners versus vital courageous Bravehearts and his soldiers.
    All these things, The Neocons, the masters of the Deep State, the entertaining satire on Grand Idiocy and images of real and courageous men and ‘normalcy’ are also a welcome distraction out here in tediously banal and boring Belgium or The Netherlands. I was thinking of becoming a hero hacker, or something which fits the contemporary image of being a hero and being able to count, but in comparison everything drops dead of over-regulation and banality out here. To be among the tedious wiseacres concerned with futilities, tedious accuracies and corrections like most of the commentors in reaction to Shamir’s broadly spirited and imaginative articles also isn’t very attractive.
    Let me see, where is my mask, I need to go buy some cigars, to engage in my little protest against the government and anti-smoking nazis. Real men smoke cigars, you know, if necessary we will smoke ourselves to death as the only option of resistance. When you enjoy a cigar you are also less likely to talk or write tedious nonsense and futilies. The whole comment section out here would be reduced to a few pussy men who do not know how to enjoy a good cigar.

  205. anon[162]• 免责声明 说:
    @Jack McArthur

    What “Christian way”? Is this way as practiced in 100 AD? Or is it the way as practiced in 600 AD or 400 AD or 1400 AD or 1600 AD or 2021 AD ? Is it 2021 of Philippines or Uganda or Sweden or Papaua or 2021 of E Timur or Honduras ?

    • 回复: @Jack McArthur
  206. KA 说:

    QUESTION: Secretary Rumsfeld, despite the success that you’ve enjoyed in this military campaign, I’m sure you won’t be surprised to know that there are still critics…

    RUMSFELD: Can you believe this?

    QUESTION: If we are to believe the Washington Post, some of these critics are right here in this building. Could I just get your reaction to the Post story of yesterday which said that “red tape was, in some case, preventing effective targeting,” and apparently one anonymous four-star general accused you of micromanaging the war?

    RUMSFELD: When General Franks was here, he responded to that question. He was asked if he was getting targeting advice, I believe, from the Pentagon, and he (inaudible) how he was not, and I intervened and pointed out that, in fact, he was–that we were encouraging him to attack the enemy vigorously, and he smiled because the question was not generally, it was particular.

    You mentioned that one of the people was unidentified. There was no one identified in the story, so not just the one you happen to be quoting. But it was a world-class thumb-sucker, with all respect to The Post, mind you. Where is our friend? I don’t see him.

    (LAUGHTER)–https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/rumsfeldtext_111901.html

    Earlier he lied in the same press conference -“the wake of the first lady’s report on Saturday, I would draw your attention to a State Department document, which has been published over the weekend. Before the Taliban took power, Afghan women were protected by law, had important freedoms, were active participants in the society.

    Indeed, in 1977, women made up some 15 percent of the Afghanistan highest legislative body. By the early 1990s, women comprised something like 70 percent of the school teachers, 50 percent of the government workers, and 40 percent of the doctors in Kabul were women.

    Then the Taliban took over, and they forbade schooling for girls over the age of eight, banned women from working, restricted their access to medical care and brutally enforced restrictive dress codes and even beat women for the crime of laughing in public. Now, with Taliba
    n in retreat, the people of Afghanistan and especially the women are free of that repression.”

    US run Mujhaeddin war destroyed woman’s rights opportunities ,introduced religions in school ,replaced science education with anti science education .

    He also asserted :” We don’t negotiate surrenders “- NY Times Monday August 23 rd 2021

    The laughing reporters have gone missing now . The idea of questioning the war crimes absent then has suddenly resurfaced . Rumsfiled is gone but his job is being carried out by the reporters . The antipathy to Biden shows nothing but moral bankruptcy.

  207. @anon

    What “Christian way”? Is this way as practiced in 100 AD? Or is it the way as practiced in 600 AD or 400 AD or 1400 AD or 1600 AD or 2021 AD ? Is it 2021 of Philippines or Uganda or Sweden or Papaua or 2021 of E Timur or Honduras ?

    If you have evidence of Christianity stoning adulterers to death at any time or place then please detail it here so we can evaluate the extent and significance.

  208. @Jack McArthur

    The context of my comment is that essay writer says he is a Christian but advocates stoning of an adulterer. This was never the Christian way. What you think about the gospels and what Christians think of the Quran is nothing to do with the issue at hand.

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing? I used to belong to a now defunct Islamic forum, where they had two moderators for Christianity and Jewish section respectively. A Christian being a moderator for Christianity section and a Jewish person by the handle of History being a moderator of Jewish section. History used to say TaNaKh, which the Christians call Old Testament is a Jewish Book and Christians have no right to change the name of the TaNaKh, the chapters of TaNaKh and interpret it to fit their agenda. If you have printed KJV fifty years old, you will find that Jacob wrestled with God for a long time and in the end Jacob was so tired but he eventually defeated the God. God got happy and named him Israel (The Everlasting God). You can compare this to the recent printing of NIB or NIV.

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    Basically, those 4 or 5 verses in TaNaKh refer to freedom of will and the Jews call it Yetzer Ha-Tov and Yetzer Ha-Ra. You can Google both terms. Jesus’ sermon on the Mount says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”

    In Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why Paperback – February 5, 2007 by Bart D. Ehrman (Author) proves the story is incorrect about the woman. Basically, to me the Prince of Peace Jesus (as), ran a kangaroo court. He could have referred the mobs to take the both male and female to Caesar’s court to uphold the Jewish law. An Arab asked Bart, was the language of Jesus with his disciple was in Aramaic as Hebrew was dead, (my friend History call it dormant”, so what does it says in the Aramaic Bible? Bart acted he didn’t understand him and replied that the Gospel are Koine Greek. Why in Koine Greek?

    Because the Arabic written language was very primitive including Hebrew and Aramaic. Prophet Mohammad (saws) living miracle is Quran with Classical Quranic Arabic. This Arabic is taught in universities to those majoring in Arabic Linguistic. More than 98% of Arabs cannot write in Classical Quranic Arabic, they still write in old, old Arabic. From Quranic Classic Arabic the TaNaKh was put pen to paper from 10th century onward, and got completed around in 12th century. The dead (dormant) Hebrew was revived from Arabic at the very end of 19th century.

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @some_loon
  209. 抱歉,但这与我向散文作者提出的观点并没有将他所宣称的基督教与同意将通奸者用石头砸死的观点相提并论。 它与穆斯林/基督教的护教学无关。 迄今为止,没有人提供任何证据来反驳我所写的这不是基督教徒的做法。

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  210. @Jack McArthur

    抱歉,但这与我向散文作者提出的观点并没有将他所宣称的基督教与同意将通奸者用石头砸死的观点相提并论。 它与穆斯林/基督教的护教学无关。 迄今为止,没有人提供任何证据来反驳我所写的这不是基督教徒的做法。

    In my opinion Christianity doesn’t need Jews to prove the divinity of Prince of Peace Jesus (as). They don’t need TaNaKh to be true word of God and God 1.0 to prove their religion and that now God has become 2.0

    Christianity should stand on it’s own two feet without standing on the shoulders of Jews and Judaism. Standing on the shoulders of Jews, empower Judaism. They they cry that Jews are destroying their lives and Christianity. Leave God 1.0 alone and worry about your own religion.

    I care less if anyone was stoned by the Christian’s practice because of kangaroo court. No wonder sex whether adultery and/or fornication is very rampant within Christianity. I don’t think you get it!

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @babu
  211. derer 说:

    Great piece from Israel Shamir…the statement like “If it would be up to the Lobby (Jewish), to the NY Times, to the CIA, the US would never ever leave Afghanistan.” is dead on.

    • 回复: @anon
  212. buckyinky 说:
    @Mevashir

    The reason no man was produced in the Gospel account is because no one cares whether a man gets stoned to death or not. Who knows, maybe they had already dispatched of him. A woman however presents a delicate case that served the Pharisees plotting. Would Jesus let His heart-strings quiver for her, or would He agree with their justice?

    • 不同意: Larchmonter420
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  213. Would Jesus let His heart-strings quiver for her, or would He agree with their justice?

    Jesus doesn’t need to do either as he not being earthly ruler, he couldn’t have enforced the law. It was much simpler to refer them to the Caesar’s court instead of running a kangaroo court. I am sure that the Caesar’s court would have not allowed themselves to run a kangaroo court due to Jews insistence.

    How would Jesus’ heart-strings quiver for the masses destined for hell. Jesus is made a dream persona, which he wasn’t.

    穆罕默德

  214. Malla 说:
    @Half Back

    This is all not true. The truth is the Americans got involved only by the invitation of the Pakistani ISI. It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans. It was only then did the USA get involved and think of giving the USSR their very own Vietnam.
    美国人在 1970 年从未制造过任何内战。 这是阿富汗人民反对共产主义的自然反应。 除了一小部分,共产主义在传统农村从未流行过。 它在城市中很受欢迎,主要在西方知识青年中流行。 努尔·穆罕默德·塔拉基 (Nur Muhammad Taraki) 政府在像阿富汗这样的保守社会中反对宗教的速度太快了。 他甚至说阿富汗的清真寺将在一年内空无一人,这激怒了毛拉。 阿富汗人抵制这些共产主义改革,该政权的反应是使用恐怖手段残酷地推动他们对社会的改革。 许多人在阿富汗各地的监狱集中营遭受酷刑和拘禁,最著名的是 Pul-e-Charkhi 监狱。 整个家庭都被共产主义政权处死,直到今天还有阿富汗人记得那件事并失去了亲人。 在上台后的几个月内,数以千计的阿富汗人被逮捕、监禁,然后被处决。 阿富汗共产主义政权(DRA)实施的社会主义土地改革不仅违背了阿富汗传统和伊斯兰教义,而且在许多情况下恶化了他们本应奖励的农村贫困人口的境况。 阿富汗共产党的一个分支 Khalq 正在迫害宗教要人,包括 Pir 和 Ulema,这势必在穆斯林中引起反响。 此外,由于在非常保守的伊斯兰社会中实行混合性别的扫盲班,政府的扫盲运动也引起了争议。 从 1978 年 XNUMX 月在努里斯坦开始,阿富汗各地发生了反对共产党 DRA 及其政策的自发起义。 阿富汗共产党政权在喀布尔郊外的保守乡村面临着严重的动乱和抵抗。 他们的追随者开始叛变反对政权,共产党政权正在失去控制。 一个著名的起义是赫拉特起义,它既是一场民众起义,也是阿富汗军队反对共产主义政权(阿富汗民主共和国)的兵变。 叛乱分子占领并占领了这座城市大约一周后,该政权得以用自己的军队重新夺回它,随后的空中轰炸和对赫拉特的野蛮夺回导致 3,000 至 25,000 名居民死亡。 It is then that Taraki went and met Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and wanted Soviet intervention in helping propping up his collapsing regime. 但是苏联政府中的许多人反对干预,苏联人实际上对阿富汗正在发生的事情感到震惊,并担心其影响会蔓延到自己的中亚共和国。 在共产主义政权 DRA 内,阿明和塔里基之间也存在这种竞争。 最初是朋友,塔里基在阿明让他的家人进入政府后指责阿明裙带关系和腐败。 这一切都以阴谋、对阿明的暗杀企图而告终,最终阿明通过军队接管权力并杀死了塔里基。 塔里基的死让勃列日涅夫感到震惊,并在苏联最终干预阿富汗的过程中发挥了作用。

    • 回复: @Alfred
  215. Malla 说:
    @Half Back

    巴基斯坦的齐亚将军希望美国介入阿富汗。 他说他们必须把锅煮沸,但不要煮太多,以免牛奶溢出。 也就是说,支持反苏势力,但不要支持苏联最终攻击巴基斯坦边境以进行报复(巴基斯坦人显然担心)。 根据美国人的说法,巴基斯坦人害怕
    1] 旧英国拉吉对沙皇俄国人想要在印度次大陆拥有温水港口的恐惧被巴基斯坦深层国家接管,担心苏联入侵可能是苏联想要卡拉奇港口的借口,就像对沙皇的恐惧一样一个世纪前的俄罗斯。
    2] 减少印度在阿富汗的积极影响,将阿富汗纳入巴基斯坦的势力范围。

    • 回复: @israel shamir
    , @Adam D.
  216. Mevashir 说:
    @buckyinky

    Jews do not like to kill their own. The Talmud says in the Second Temple era capital punishment was suspended because murder was so prevalent it no longer served as a deterrent. It also says the death penalty was carried out once in every 70 years. As with Islam, Jewish law was so constructed to make it virtually impossible to execute someone.

    An orthodox Rabbi I know told me that if an adulterous woman was convicted and given the death penalty, she would be executed even if she was pregnant with her lover’s offspring. Such is the severity of the crime. A child born out of adultery is called a mamzer or bastard and it’s a terrible genealogical flaw.

    According to the Torah, the first woman a man sleeps with consensually is basically married to him. In our society of rampant promiscuity, virtually everyone is guilty of adultery or fornication many times over and that goes a long way to explaining the horrific spiritual condition of our world.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  217. @CelestiaQuesta

    Totally off topic response to new construction in South Gate. Nickerson Gardens is many miles away on Imperial Highway and it’s old.

  218. Alfred 说:
    @Malla

    It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans.

    And who was it who supported the military coup by Zia-ul-Haq?

    And who was it who got Zia-ul-Haq to execute the democratically-elected Bhutto?

    I will give you a hint. A three-letter agency that starts with the letter C

  219. @Mevashir

    犹太法律

    Jewish Law? A major correction! Or,Law of eloh/ilah, meaning Law of eloh(im)/(al-ilah) allah?

    BTW, allah is not the name of God. al in Arabic is ha in Hebrew and eloh/ilah is same but due to vowel deficiencies in English in comparison to Arabic (Aramaic and Hebrew) how many different ways Mohammad is written in English, but they all have to do with vowels.

    谢谢,

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  220. babu 说:
    @Maddaugh

    地球上八分之一的囚犯是非裔美国人,他们拥有 0.5% 的财富,尽管自内战以来他们占人口的 18%。

    • 回复: @Truth
  221. @Alfred

    It was Pakistani President Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who invited the Americans.

    Agreed, Zia-ul-Haq was the agent of KSA and entry to Afghanistan of fanatics for USA benefit to use them against USSR’s defeat!

    穆罕默德

  222. @Malla

    你是巴基斯坦人吗,马拉?

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Malla
  223. babu 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    耶稣是黑人/黑人希伯来以色列人。

    • 不同意: Larchmonter420
  224. babu 说:
    @Mevashir

    美国和其他 53 个汤姆叔叔国家都无法击败塔利班。

  225. anon[240]• 免责声明 说:
    @derer

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201231102645/https://jinsa.org/hasty-withdrawal-could-undo-hard-won-gains-in-afghanistan/ The United States and its partners have made great strides to improve good governance and military practices.
    When I was commander of NATO’s Regional Command Southwest in Afghanistan from 2010 to 2011, a surge of troops brought Afghanistan to the precipice of long-term success. Since the end of the surge, there has been a trend in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere toward withdrawing American forces abroad. These regrettable withdrawals have allowed adversaries to fill the vacuum left in the wake and will continue to endanger U.S. interests.
    ------
    The contortionist is speaking nor for USA or Afghanistan He is speaking for Israel through JINSA – the gestapo who marched USA to Iraq.

    Human rights is singing hosanna for next Kamakazi They have credible reports of summary execution and recruiting of of children for war by Taliban . No picture no testimony no picture of violence anywhere , but the old bag lady on BBC is not preventing the facts from lying .

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @derer
  226. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    BTW, allah is not the name of God. al in Arabic is ha in Hebrew and eloh/ilah is same but due to vowel deficiencies in English in comparison to Arabic (Aramaic and Hebrew) how many different ways Mohammad is written in English, but they all have to do with vowels.

    So the Arabic name for God is Lah or Lat? Then perhaps it is not parallel to the Hebrew El or Eloha?

    Did you see this picture I designed to fuse the Hebrew and Arabic Divine Names? Maybe it’s a mistake if you are correct:
    Another commenter claims that Allah represents both the male and female aspects of the Godhead, El = male and Lah = female.

  227. Mevashir 说:
    @anon

    The only way to gain victory in Afghanistan was to permanently secure it as a colony of the USA, like Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Guam, South Korea, etc.

    • 同意: Larchmonter420
  228. Malla 说:
    @Alfred

    Yes, that is correct. But it does not change the fact that it was the Pakistani secret service agency ISI which invited the Americans to get involved in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Pakistan had been a staunch American ally in those days, indeed since Independence from the British Empire. It could not ally with the USA because at that time they believed that being a nation formed in the name of Allah, they could not ally with an atheist power. Also Pakistan’s enemy India became extremely pro-Soviet.
    But its experience with the USA was so bad that now it does ally with atheist P.R. China. LOL. But in all fairness, the USA had some bad experience with Pakistan too. The ISI siphoned off funds sent by the USA. Many weapons meant to be used in Afghanistan were clandestinely sent to it’s India border.

  229. Malla 说:
    @Alfred

    If I am not mistaken, Bhutto was personally threatened by Kissinger that Kissinger would get Bhutto hanged, because Pakistan under Bhutto was going ahead with its nuclear ambitions. This was impossible to stop as Pakistan’s enemy India was going ahead with its own nuclear plans too, Pakistan had to get nukes. So maybe Zia did the dirty work of Kissinger and got Bhutto hanged.
    However Pakistan played a big part in getting the Americans and Chinese to get together. In getting President Nixon and Kissinger together with Mao. Nixon hated India as he could never get along with Indira Gandhi, India’s Prime Minister, who insulted Nixon at every turn. It is also believed that Kissinger played a part in her assassination too by her Sikh guards. The Soviet KGB had warned the Indian secret services IB (internal) about a threat to Indira Gandhi just before she was assassinated.
    As far as Mao and Nixon, the USSR and China were coming at blows with each other. This got the USA into the picture, who came and China-USA romance started blossoming. Mao and Nixon actually got along very well.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  230. @Mevashir

    So the Arabic name for God is Lah or Lat? Then perhaps it is not parallel to the Hebrew El or Eloha?

    Another commenter claims that Allah represents both the male and female aspects of the Godhead, El = male and Lah = female.

    In old, old written Arabic which is current written Arabic, vowels are not written. My name Mohamed in Arabic is written as mhmd without vowels, same in Hebrew. In written Classical Quranic Arabic vowels are written so mhmd becomes with vowels. The name is same mhmd, but due to different pronunciation, people write it in English with different vowels, such as Muhammad, Mohammad, Mohammed, Muhammed and all different ways but the name is same mhmd. I write it as Mohamed (I drop one m) which is considered bad English.

    God doesn’t have a name, if he/she/it did that he will become the property of mankind’s culture. Shia believe he has no body, shape, form, image and so forth. So he doesn’t have name or sexual genitals. eloh and ilah is same word with vowels which means God. eloh/ilah is a feminine noun. You will see in the Bible eloh is written as el (no vowel) or elo (with one vowel). elohi or elohy is my God. el0ha is her God and elohu is his God and so forth. So elohi, eli, elei means my God.

    eli eli lama sabachthani or eloi eloi lama sabachthani, which means God-my, God-my, when forsaken-you-me. Jews in English write as G-d. YHWH is again written without vowels, and when I insert vowels, it becomes Ya’Howah which means O’ He! So, YHWH ELOHIM means, O’ He Elohim. wahid in Arabic means one. shema ya israel is “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is Akud” and not One. In Quran, “say allah is ahad”.

    wahid is one, so what is akud or ahad means? One can be divided and/or multiplied but akud/ahad means complete unit which neither can be divided nor multiplied. 99 god’s names in Quran are his attributes. The first attribute is rahman, which you can think of a mother, who indiscriminately love her all pups. The second attribute is rahim which you think of a father who discriminatory loves those pups who are obedient to him.

    Sorry it is heavy,

    穆罕默德

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
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    , @Mevashir
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  231. @Malla

    If I am not mistaken, Bhutto was personally threatened by Kissinger that Kissinger would get Bhutto hanged, because Pakistan under Bhutto was going ahead with its nuclear ambitions.

    Wrong! Not nuclear ambition but Bhutto nationalized all banks. This was the biggest threat to USA and Federal Reserve System. The nuclear ambition was a cover up for the destruction of banks owned by the government rather than private wealthy individual who benefited and still benefit from creation of money from this air. Jesus called it mammon as the Jews early on started dealing in creation of money from thin air.

    • 谢谢: Alfred
    • 回复: @Malla
  232. @ebear

    ebear, What do you specifically mean here?

    The Pakistani Intel community has always been a frenemy towards the west. As long as the Iranians are pain in our ass (USA) they will not budge to make any difference In effect, keep the Western Occident powers off balance. Should Iran (Ali Khamenei) become a real nuisance, The PISA would simply cut off the head and let the tail die. This assassination would foment civil war within Iran without initiating any formal military engagements… I presume that even the CIA would not do anything to lock horns with the Pakistani military, who have in the past, been more diabolical than them! As Congressman Steve Chabot stated recently in public, “On the other hand, we all know that Pakistan and in particular its intelligence services have played a key role in favoring the Taliban and eventually allowing them to take over.”..end quote

  233. @Mevashir

    The Arabic image you posted above is in Classical Arabic with vowels, It say Allah and the phrase, “bi isim allahi who is rahmani and who is rahimi”. Since ilah is a feminine noun, you have to match gender for gender, so rahman becomes rahmani and rahim becomes rahimi. Just like b’rahman (Brahman).

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
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  234. 更多好消息:拜登总统拒绝了所有延长撤离的请求,并坚称美军将在 60,000 月底前撤离。 这是非常令人印象深刻的,因为美国和北约国家的许多政客要求他重新考虑。 我绝对赞成。 他们已经带走了 XNUMX 名阿富汗人,这些人在阿富汗是需要的,而在其他任何地方都不需要。

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  235. @Larchmonter420

    Sorry my bad eyes, the image at the top left hand is a partial Quranic verse 2:255 called, “verse of chair (throne)”.

    ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْحَىُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ

    Allah! There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him, the Ever-Living, All-Sustaining

    https://quran.com/ayatul-kursi

  236. @israel shamir

    这是非常令人印象深刻的,因为美国和北约国家的许多政客要求他重新考虑。

    You wish! The quota is one million for USA and one million for EU and UK. The rest of the fake news is just games….

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @anon
  237. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    This is a fabulous comment. Thank you so much! I am honored to dialogue with you.

    You have a deep knowledge of Hebrew language and religion. I have not met a Muslim with such knowledge before. Are you atypical?

    I hope this comment goes through, because in the past Unz has blocked comments with theological discourses. If you wish to dialogue outside this thread, I can provide my email address.

    [更多]

    First off, I think you will enjoy these two videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB0oAhHi4Xc

    I do have many Qs for you but in the meantime let me know how we should proceed. MHMD is from the Hebrew HaMuD meaning delightful one. It is a very noble name, despite its denigration by Christians. I have read Karen Armstrong’s books on the history of Islam. And I have challenged Christian Islamophobes about their prejudices.

    For example, I point out that MHMD had far fewer wives than either Kings David or Solomon. The Talmud claims David had 18 regular wives plus 400 concubines captured in war. Solomon of course had far more. MHMD’s 23 seem modest by comparison.

    I also have heard Muslim converts to Christianity who are trying to ingratiate themselves to the Zionists denounce MHMD’s treatment of the three Jewish tribes in Medina. But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    There are many attractive things about Islamic culture. The modesty in dress, the cleanliness and hygiene, the reverence for God. Christians pray formally maybe once a week, or twice in some Protestant circles. Catholics have daily Mass. Jews pray three times per day and Muslims five. They clearly are God-fearers.

    I lived as an ultra-Orthodox Jew in Israel for 18 years. I was almost totally ignorant about Islam. The Palestinians speak Hebrew, and are familiar with the Jewish calendar since they often work for Israelis. But the Israelis are largely ignorant about Islam. They tend to be extremely arrogant and dismissive of other cultures. Even Rambam, who worked as the physician to the Egyptian Sultan, wrote many derogatory things about Islam. It seems Jews lack gratitude.

    Things began to change for me one year in the mid-1990s when I was hospitalized in Jerusalem for about one month. All the nursing staff were male Palestinians, and I started to converse with them and was shocked to learn how similar their religion and culture are to Judaism. That was the beginning of my reeducation. After I was baptized I spent most of my free time in the Muslim and Christian quarters of Jerusalem and avoided the Jewish quarter and the Western Wall area like the plague.

    Again thank you for sharing your knowledge. I would be interested to know more about your background if you are able to share that.

    尊敬的,梅瓦希尔

  238. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    There is some debate among Christian Bible commentators whether Hebrew or Arabic is an older language. Do you have an opinion? Most support Hebrew as the original language. But there is a very famous bible commentator named Adam Clarke, who was the main student of John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Protestant Church, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the United States, who favors Arabic.

    Adam Clarke was something of a genius who supposedly had reading proficiency in 10 languages. In his massive Bible commentary he brings in many different languages. In his commentary to Genesis chapter 3 about the snake in the Garden of Eden, he proposes that this evil creature was actually a member of the ape family. He bases this on the fact that the Hebrew word for serpent NACHASH is related to an Arabic word for APE.

    He was severely mocked for this idea, but he says that there’s no way to envision a talking snake and much more likely the creature was a type of ape. If true this would have interesting implications regarding the theory of evolution.

    请参阅以下内容:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Clarke
    https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/genesis-3.html

    • 回复: @Alfred
  239. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    I believe the Jews of Medina had lucrative commercial relations with the pagans in Mecca and they feared that their support for Muhammad peace be upon him would redound to their detriment if the pagan Meccans won the coming war. This is an excellent example of how Jews prioritize their commercial interests over evangelism and spreading knowledge of the one true God to non-Jews.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  240. Truth 说:
    @babu

    African-Americans make up 18% of the planet’s population?!?!?

    该死,那个疫苗比我想象的还要糟糕!

  241. Truth 说:
    @Malla

    Why didn’t you lie, Bro?

    This was your chance to be cool.

    • 哈哈: Malla
    • 回复: @Malla
  242. Truth 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    Elohim actually, in Hebrew, means “Gods” (plural).

    And you are correct, from all I can tell about Jesus being black, If there is another group whos history better represents the Tribe of Judah in Deuteronomy 28, I’d like to hear about it.

    One minor quibble, as a Judean, he is from the Southern Kingdom so is not technically an “Israelite.” but a Hebrewite. His mother was from Joseph if I remember correctly and his father is God, so he is considered under the cloak of his father who was Judean.

  243. Malla 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    Not nuclear ambition but Bhutto nationalized all banks.

    Thanks,Larchmonter420. Guess what?. Indira Gandhi of India nationalized banks too and she was assassinated too!!! I have read in some places that her nationalization of banks pissed the Rothschilds of the World and Kissinger was their minion anyways.
    Wow, so it seems both India and Pakistan went through similar fates for similar actions. Interesting.

  244. Malla 说:
    @Truth

    Damn Truthie, I missed my chance. You are right, it would have been fun too. I could have claimed I am the Prince of Rawalpindi and had some fun. Life on Unz gets too serious sometimes will all that fact writing.
    Anyway, since I am already cool, more cool would have led to me being frozen stiff.

    • 哈哈: Truth
  245. @Alfred

    Zia was Evil, and a true father of the salafists and al-Qaeda, therefore a typical US stooge, but the KGB got him in the end. Too late, but satisfying enough.

  246. Alfred 说:
    @Mevashir

    whether Hebrew or Arabic is an older language.

    How about Aramaic? It is still in use in parts of Syria.

    The Aramaic alphabet also became a base for the creation and adaptation of specific writing systems in some other Semitic languages, thus becoming the precursor of the Hebrew alphabet and the Arabic alphabet.

    Aramaic (Wikipedia)

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
  247. @Mevashir

    But again I point out that those tribes betrayed a sacred treaty they made with MHMD siding with his pagan enemies in Mecca. As I recall, MHMD expelled one tribe, enslaved another, and massacred the third. MHMD also had one Jewish and one Christian wife as I recall.

    I believe the Jews of Medina had lucrative commercial relations with the pagans in Mecca and they feared that their support for Muhammad peace be upon him would redound to their detriment if the pagan Meccans won the coming war. This is an excellent example of how Jews prioritize their commercial interests over evangelism and spreading knowledge of the one true God to non-Jews.

    There were three powerful Jewish tribes in Medina. Two lived on highland and the Prophet (saws) lived in lowland. The third tribe Banu Nader lived outstrips of Medina, basically owning a big city. The two highlander tribes put a knife in the back of the Prophet. They lost and had to leave. The third tribe Banu Nadir didn’t participate in it, but they left the city to the Prophet and asked him they want to leave peacefully. Mohammad’s one wife was concubine and she was a gift given to the Prophet by the King of Egypt from his own family. She was Christian, and her name was Bibi Maria (as). The Prophet asked to marry her, but she said would like to live like a concubine and practice her own Christian’s religion. He accepted both her wishes.

    The Prophet was married to one wife Bibi Khadijah for 27 years, the mother of Bibi Fatima (as). When Bibi Khadijah died the Prophet was 52+ years old. He then moved to Medina for the last 10+ years of his life. Muslims are allowed only 4 wives at the time, but he was given special permission by Allah to marry as many to unite the various tribes. It was considered a honor to be married to the Prophet, so he married 12 wives and had 2 concubines. Basically, he was an one woman Bibi Khadijah’s man. MHD is the root of Mohammad’s name, from which one can make about 150 to 250 words, without changing the order. Mohammad means, someone who Praises the Lord. To do that you have to put the “m” in front to it, so it becomes mhmd. HMD can be made into several names with vowels, such as aHMeD, moHaMMaD, maHMooD, HaMaD and so forth.

    As far as which is the first language, I believe it is Arabic. When the Jews who migrated to Egypt they were “cow worshiper”. The Arabs were monotheistic and the learned monotheism from them. The second chapter of the Quran is called, “Heifer”, where Jews were paying someone to raise a special heifer so that they can worship it. Moses (as) found out and they started to toy with him. See verse 63-74 in the second chapter, “Heifer”. I believe the Jews are still trying to bread a special heifer for the return of mashiach. BTW, the story of “Golden Calf” is in the Quran too. If Aramaic was first then why don’t we have original Gospel in Aramaic rather the Koine Greek? Remember TaNaKh (Old Testament) was put into Hebrew from Classical Quranic Arabic from 10th to 12th centuries.

    You have rightly identified the pagans of Mecca. The tribe of Quresh had two main tribes and several smaller tribes. The Banu Omayyad was the most powerful tribe, Omayyad himself was an adopted Jew. The Prophet’s tribe is called, Banu Hashem. In the end they all accepted Islam, but while the body of the Prophet was still warm and not buried yet, the rest of the Quresh tribes, under Banu Omayyad hijacked Islam. They burnt Quran and Hadiths (Traditions). When the fifth Caliph took over and established Banu Omayyad Empire, the Hadiths were cooked and then these fake Hadiths were written down 200 years after the demise of Mohammad. The fake Hadiths are extremely demeaning to the Prophet.

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  248. https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbinate-protests-to-vatican-over-popes-remarks-on-torah/

    Chief Rabbinate protests to Vatican over pope’s remarks on Torah

    Rabbi Ratzon Arusi shares ‘distress’ over recent comments by Francis that Jewish law ‘does not give life’

    • 不同意: Mevashir
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  249. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    Shukkarin for your wise reply.

    Is it true that the Jewish tribes of Medina invited Muhammad to move there and to become their ruler right before the Hegira?

    (Is the word Hegira related to the name Hagar, mother of Ishmael? I also have heard it claimed that the pagan religion of Arabia prior to Muhammad was a form of Hinduism. Would you agree with this?)

    Yes the Jews are trying to breed a red cow. This is an interesting point of conflict between the Torah and the Koran. The Koran says that the cow is yellow.

    Can you explain why Islam does not have a tradition of worship music? I understand that Muhammad considered music to be essentially satanic or anti spiritual, which contradicts the traditions of the Psalms. In both Judaism and especially Christianity music is a vital part of the worship experience.

    My general viewpoint is that Christianity has correct doctrines but incorrect practices, while Islam has incorrect doctrines but correct practices. There is absolutely no doubt that Muslims dress far more modestly than Christians and have much deeper reverence for God.

    (Are there any correct versions of Hadith today? Do you consider the Koranic text today reliable?)

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  250. @Larchmonter420

    Will you please give your comment on the following post by”Mevashir”:

    我还想向你们指出,芝加哥大学的一项研究表明,当这个国家免费提供堕胎服务时,犯罪率急剧下降,因为黑人妇女不再生下那些会在没有父亲的家庭中长大并成为罪犯的不想要的婴儿。

    不幸的是,罗马天主教会及其愚蠢的原教旨主义盟友破坏了这个明智的计划。 玛格丽特桑格创立了计划生育,是一位虔诚的新教基督徒,他提倡避孕和堕胎,以此来减少不受欢迎的黑人人口。 纳粹德国的优生学家也有类似的政策。 他们也是基督徒,他们相信对绝症、精神病患者和社会偏差者实施安乐死,所有在公共汽车系统上折磨我的人。
    https://www.unz.com/freed/despair-in-the-empire-of-graveyards/#comment-4854785

    Please keep it simple and not let clear answers be lost in a sea of verbiage.

  251. some_loon 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing?

    Seems there are many versions of the Quran as well.

    Maybe too deviant from the topic, so I’ll use MORE tag.

    [更多]

    https://submission.org/verify_are_all_Arabic_versions_of_Quran_the_same.html
    Links to a site that explains that there are variations, but claims the message is the same.

    Claims that oldest version has little similarity to current versions.

    Another video, this one purporting 26 different, conflicting Arabic Qurans, beyond any claim of alternate recitations or regional dialects.

    These controversies involve Sunnis from what I can tell. Do Shi’a also have differing readings, recitations, or the like? (I recall you mentioning that you are Shi’a.)

    Claims that a scripture is the uncorrupted word of God does invite scutiny, and any textual deviation is a little inconvenient to try to explain.

    Christians and Jews mostly make weaker claims of inerrancy than muslims, and are a bit less sensitive to accusations of a deviated Gospel.

    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
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    , @Larchmonter420
  252. Mevashir 说:

    Israel, I apologize to you for my earlier disparaging remarks about this article. I think it’s very well written and inspiring. For me, the litmus test will be if the Taliban will convene a news conference and disavow the slanderous accusation that they had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Although I suspect strongly that one condition for the American withdrawal and the surrendering of all their military equipment to the Taliban, is their complete and absolute silence on this issue. Too bad because it is like the facet on the face of a diamond that with one firm tap the entire Jewel will split open and reveal its ugly empty insides to the world.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @israel shamir
  253. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    I can even imagine the following scenario 20 years ago US officials approached the Taliban and said:

    Look we will invade your country feigning moral outrage. A lot of Afghanis will die. But we will build up extensive infrastructure and after twenty years we will leave and surrender to you all of this construction military bases and our military equipment to your forces. You just have to go along with the psychological soap opera. Also due to our presence and money your population will double from 20 to 40 million. So really you have nothing to lose. 20 years of pain and humiliation to inherit a much stronger country when we leave.

  254. Mevashir 说:
    @some_loon

    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

    Probably for the same reason Jews give primacy to the Talmud over the Torah because it provides the interpretations that allow one to practice the faith.

    Christians and Jews mostly make weaker claims of inerrancy than muslims, and are a bit less sensitive to accusations of a deviated Gospel.

    The fundies are almost as absolute about biblical inerrancy as the Muslims. But because there are so many variant texts they have to contort themselves and bend over endlessly to try to rationalize them all:
    https://www.str.org/w/textual-variants-it-s-the-nature-not-the-number-that-matters

    This is mainly a Christian problem. So far as I know there are very few textual variants in the Hebrew Bible.

    • 谢谢: some_loon
    • 回复: @some_loon
  255. some_loon 说:
    @Mevashir

    The fundies are almost as absolute about biblical inerrancy as the Muslims.

    感谢您的链接。

    I have read that many Christian biblical scholars acknowledge that the official Gospels are not the originals, that there is a hypothetical ‘Q’ gospel out there that they hope to find, from which at least parts of Matthew and Luke derive.

    Probably for the same reason Jews give primacy to the Talmud over the Torah because it provides the interpretations that allow one to practice the faith

    There are ‘Quran-only’ Muslims, who claim the Quran is enough, that the hadith are illicit innovations. They seem to come mostly from Sunni communities, and are regarded as heretics.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  256. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    In his homily, the pope presents the Christian faith as not just superseding the Torah; but asserts that the latter no longer gives life, implying that Jewish religious practice in the present era is rendered obsolete,” Arusi reportedly wrote in the letter. “This is in effect part and parcel of the ‘teaching of contempt’ towards Jews and Judaism that we had thought had been fully repudiated by the Church.”

    What Pope Francis said is 100% accurate Christian doctrine. We believe that the purpose of the law is to force people to see their sinfulness and their need for the Savior Jesus. The above statement by the rabbi is typical Jewish special pleading and whining, trying to destroy the identity of non-Jewish groups for their own supremacist insecurities.

    If Frances capitulates to the Jewish extortion, he will essentially be repudiating one of the foundational beliefs of the Christian faith.

    He may be a celibate Pope, but we can only hope he still has his cojones!

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  257. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    Saint Paul writes in his Letter to Romans that the purpose of the Law of Moses is to awaken our consciousness of sin in us which leads to death without the atonement of the Savior and he infusion of the Holy Spirit.

    Francis should respond to the rabbi in the following way:

    We indeed have contempt for your religion, but as far as your people go, we don’t have contempt but rather fear and loathing because we recognize that Jews are the great destroyers of all that is decent true and beautiful in the world. May God save us all Amen!

  258. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    Of course the Jewpocrites don’t hesitate to teach their own people contempt for every world religion, especially their two great rivals Christianity and Islam. Let’s see them stop whining and bullying and instead practice what they preach to — and demand from — others.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  259. Mevashir 说:
    @some_loon

    I guess they would be like the Karaites who say that the Torah is enough and that the entire Talmudic tradition is illegitimate.

    The only problem is that Community has virtually disappeared and numbers maybe a few hundred living in Samaria.

    The Catholics and Orthodox Christians aren’t interested in the “missing” Aramaic Gospel because they think the Greek text is superior anyway. That’s because the Greek language is much more subtle and complex with a much richer vocabulary than Hebrew. The Messianic people who are anyway ignorant of Greek dismiss this idea and crave the Hebrew or Aramaic original. It’s a tedious argument.

    • 谢谢: some_loon
  260. @Mevashir

    (Are there any correct versions of Hadith today? Do you consider the Koranic text today reliable?)

    What was Mecca during the Prophet’s (saws) times. The Prophet was born in Mecca and it was controlled by the Quresh tribe. The most powerful tribe was Bunu Omayyad, and the Prophet’s tribe was Banu Hashem and several other smaller tribes. Omayyad was as a Jewish and adopted as a boy. Muslims believe that God sent more than 140,000 Prophets with same religion and same major commandments, but in no time shaytan hijacked these religions. Mecca was not on the main route of trade. Mecca housed many different shrines for all kinds of pagans and it was ruled by shaytan (figuratively). Anyone can come to Mecca to pray to their deities, the gates opened in the morning, pay your fee and leave much before sunset and the gates were closed again. A money making machine (city). Another use for Mecca was if two tribes want to negotiate peace, they can come to Mecca and do as such, but no arms were allowed in Mecca. If they needed the assistance of head of Banu Omayyad tribe, meaning Abu Sufyan, this service was provided with extra cost. Everybody left Mecca happy and the money kept pouring in.

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    Mecca had very few residents, 50 some houses. The Meccan can came and go anytime without paying the fee, but if they were locked, then there locked till next morning. All kinds of preachers used to come to Mecca, pay the entrance price, and preach to their heart content. In the evening they had to leave and can come next day and pay the entrance price. If any preacher was perceived as a threat to money making empire, he was never allowed again. But Mohammad was different as he was the resident of Mecca and he started to upset apple’s cart by preaching monotheism. Quite a few times, Abu Sufyan scratched his head what to do with as his popularity was growing. He even tried unsuccessfully to bribe the Prophet. Then he had to do something with Mohammad, but head of Banu Hashem always protected him. He was Abu Talib (as), the father of Imam Ali (as) and uncle of the Prophet and raised him from the age of 8 years old. As I have mentioned earlier, Mohammad spent 52+ years of his 63 year life in Mecca and just married to only one wife.

    Compromise was made with Abu Sufyan by Abu Talib. Mecca had drought for several years and Abu Talib had a farm outside of Mecca. Mohammad with his wife, his children and Imam Ali who as child was raised by Mohammad and his wife were put under house arrest for almost 3 years. No body was allowed to visit them or take any food or water to them. These three years were of hunger and thirst. Eventually, his wife Bibi Khadijah (as) died and at the same time Abu Talib died too. Now Abu Sufyan had his chance. So at night, Ali slept in Mohammad’s bed and he skipped town and left for Medina. Ali with his daughter Bibi Fatima (as) and maybe other daughters too joined him later on. They all migrated (hijra) to Medina. Basically, Banu Hashim were exiled and the tribe no longer existed anymore. Those who did the hijra (migration) to Medina are called mujahir, and those poor people in Medina who helped them are called, ansar (helpers).

    Abu Sufyan lost his chance and he became more furious while the popularity of Mohammad increased and slowly, slowly he started to have more followers. Another headache for Abu Sufyan. He made several battles on Mohammad and lost every battle. Eventually, Mohammad had lots of followers and to make the story short, he gathered about 10,000 on the outstrips of Mecca, and in the morning they started war drums and started moving towards Mecca, without carrying any arms. Abu Sufyan came running out with the keys to Mecca and handed to Mohammad and all the Meccan accepted Islam. Did Abu Sufyan lose the war and his money minting city of Mecca? I will reply to some_loon in his post #271.

    BTW, Quran was put to paper in 7th century and has a yellow cow, while TaNaKh (Torah, Naviim and Ketuvim) was put to paper in Hebrew from 1oth to 12th century from the Classical Quranic Arabic.

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  261. I hope nobody minds if I bump this to gain the persons attention and avoid it being lost in burying type posts.

    L

    Will you please give your comment on the following post by”Mevashir”:

    我还想向你们指出,芝加哥大学的一项研究表明,当这个国家免费提供堕胎服务时,犯罪率急剧下降,因为黑人妇女不再生下那些会在没有父亲的家庭中长大并成为罪犯的不想要的婴儿。

    不幸的是,罗马天主教会及其愚蠢的原教旨主义盟友破坏了这个明智的计划。 玛格丽特桑格创立了计划生育,是一位虔诚的新教基督徒,他提倡避孕和堕胎,以此来减少不受欢迎的黑人人口。 纳粹德国的优生学家也有类似的政策。 他们也是基督徒,他们相信对绝症、精神病患者和社会偏差者实施安乐死,所有在公共汽车系统上折磨我的人。
    https://www.unz.com/freed/despair-in-the-empire-of-graveyards/#comment-4854785

    Please keep it simple and not let clear answers be lost in a sea of verbiage.

    • 回复: @Jack McArthur
  262. @some_loon

    What Gospel, the ever-changing word of Jesus (as) from printing to printing?

    Seems there are many versions of the Quran as well.
    ...
    Muslims also seem to give hadith primacy over Quran, which is odd if the Quran is so perfect nary a squiggle nor dot has need of change.

    First of all my apologies for my off the cuff remark on Gospel. I have lots of respect for Christianity. The Christian’s King helped the Prophet (saws) and took most of his relatives in early days and gave them protection. What the Muslims do? The first thing they did was to put a knife in the back of Christians by having wars against them with SWORDS. My views are known on this forum. My wife of 46+ is a WASP from Arkansas, and we live in my home country with our children. The biggest things I miss about USA is all my friends, family, and most importantly the ROCK concerts.

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    Did Abu Sufyan (Banu Omayyad) lost the war when he handed the keys to Mecca to the Prophet? Did the Quresh lost the war? Did shaytan say, I give up and won’t mess with God anymore, especially Islam? The 12 most Mohammad’s oldest sahaba (companions) unsuccessfully tried to murder Mohammad but failed. But eventually, Mohammad was murdered by poison. Supposedly, an old Jewish woman invited Mohammad and poisoned him six months before his demise. The Shia say, poison doesn’t last so long, and there is other evidence pointing to someone else. BTW, lots of Jews infiltrated Islam by becoming Muslims.

    On demise of the Prophet, the Quresh hijacked Islam while his body was still warm and not buried yet and didn’t allow his chosen successor Imam Ali (as) the first cousin of the Prophet, and who raised him and husband of Bibi Fatima (as) the daughter of the Prophet. The first and second Caliphs burned all the hadiths claiming Book of Allah (Quran) is sufficient for them. Imam Ali tried to give the Quran in Classical Quranic Arabic to the first Caliph and he rejected it. The third Caliph Osman who was from Banu Omayyad who was heavy in nepotism and eventually was murdered by his troop and his body was not allowed to be buried for several days started putting the Quran together as shown in the video you posted above. I have posted the image of that Quran which is in old Arabic and not Classical Quranic Arabic on the forum in the past and have commented on it. I am glad you posted this video. They missed something in the video, the dots for various letters, and I learned something new that it has been erased and written over and over, which I don’t doubt.

    After that Imam Ali became the fourth Caliph for four years until eventually he was murdered by Abu Sufyan’s son Muawiyah who was appointed by the second Caliph Omar as governor of Syria. Who by force became the fifth Caliph and established the dynasty of Omayyad Empire. His son Yazid, the grandson of Abu Sufyan brutally massacred Imam Hussain (as), the grandson of the Prophet and rest of the family of the Prophet. Now the circle was complete. The Omayyad thought they had won the war eventually.

    Even after so many wives, Mohammad descends are only from Ali and Fatima. What Ali did while he was Caliph, he appointed a committee of students and tasked them to put the Quran complied by Osman (Ottoman) without changing the order as it was NOT put together by revelation and verses were moved from here and there too, into Classical Quranic Arabic which is the miracle of the Prophet. He made it very transparent so not to be accused for changing the Quran. His student completed their task after 40 years of his demise or 70 years of Prophet’s demise.

    The Omayyad created lots of fake hadiths with the concept of Adalah of Sahaba (Justice of the Companions), even though Muslims murdered each other, raped, stole, lied, committed all kinds of sins and crime, the concept of concept of Adalah of Sahaba meant they will not lie when he/she will quote the Prophet. A sahaba is someone as a Muslim who meet Prophet no matter how briefly, even both Abu Sufyan and Muawiyah are sahaba too. These hadiths were complied by six authors into voluminous books called the Sahih Sitta, (Six Authenticated Books of Hadiths) 200+ years after the demise of the Prophet. I will address this issue later in another post. As far as the Quran is concerned the Prophet left two tracks preservation of the Quran as check and balance which continue till today. The verbal memorization track and written track. Of course, Quran can be printed with either intentional or non intentional mistakes, but the verbal track keeps it in check. KSA wanted to be the sole authority for printing Quran, but thanks God the Muslims didn’t agree to it.

    穆罕默德

    • 谢谢: some_loon
    • 回复: @Anon
  263. Skeptikal 说:
    @Priss Factor

    我不明白

    Why should the Taliban “negotiate” if they can win?

  264. Skeptikal 说:
    @anonymous

    ” Lately it was Afghan women’s rights ”

    Which is really a joke, because women’s rights were already thriving under the “Communist” government of Najibullah.

    Here is a comment that was posted at an Off Guardian article on Afghanistan .

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    “According to the authors, the support by Feminists of first the Communist rulers and later US invaders smeared the name of Feminism with support for torture and massacre. They write “The communists who sided with the cruelties of the Soviet invaders had discredited feminism in Afghanistan for at least a generation”. About women rights legislation under the US backed regime, they further write “It was the feminism of the invader and the corrupt governing elite. It was the feminism of the torturers and the drones.” So, the reaction of Taliban against women by taking away their freedoms and forcing the worst type of slavery on them can be understood only in this context.

    This line of argument has deep flaws, especially when these are coming from anthropologists, who are supposed to be well versed in history.

    The history of emancipation of women and their rights in Afghanistan is rich and goes back to the late 19th century, when the Afghan King Abdur Rahman Khan specifically granted Afghan women the right to divorce, raised the legal age of marriage, and gave women the right to own property. His grandson King Amanullah took these social reforms even further.

    Following the example set by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in Turkey, Amanullah crafted a new constitution for Afghanistan that endeavored to guarantee civil rights for all, both men and women. He outlawed strict traditional dress codes, and Queen Soraya set the example by removing her own veil. New schools were opened for both boys and girls, even in rural areas; the legal age for a woman to marry was raised; forced marriages were outlawed; and Amanullah endeavored to end the practice of polygamy. Queen Soraya even began Afghanistan’s first women’s journal, Ershad-e Niswan (“Guidance for Women”), which advocated gender equality.

    Under the Communists, the social reforms were further deepened. The Afghan government established girls schools, funded a new university, and later instituted a new constitution that introduced a democratic framework and granted Afghan women the right to vote. In urban areas women attended college, took jobs outside of the home, ran businesses, and some even ventured into politics. Kabul became cosmopolitan.

    The Mujahideen rule for Afghan women was the beginning of the worst period. The populist warlords used any measure available to appeal to the majority of their soldiers, and the treatment of Afghan women was placed in the hands of poorly educated, rural traditionalists. During the Afghan civil war there was little in terms of the rule of law: men died in large numbers, widows were reduced to begging, rape was commonplace, and suicide among despondent women became ever more frequent.
    Many policies that the Taliban advanced (and continue to advance) are more restrictive than even the most rigid interpretations of the Shariah (Islamic law) require.

    As the Taliban became emboldened with their military victories, the plight of Afghan women become worse in the territory under their control. Before long, the Taliban had taken the most misogynistic elements of their society and, claiming that they are based in the Qur’an, institutionalised them as law.

    Girls’ access to education after the age of eight was outlawed; women were forbidden from working; women were forced to cover their entire bodies when in public, including their faces; they were forbidden from seeking treatment from a male doctor unless accompanied by a male family member; they were forbidden from speaking loudly in public; their voices were banned from the radio; and it was made illegal to display any images of women, either in public or in the home.

    In other words, it is the Mujahideen and later Taliban, who have tried to usurp the rights won by Afghan women in over 100 years.

    It is extremely problematic that the authors of the piece have tried to establish that Taliban oppressed the women because of their support to Communist regime and later US backed regime.”

  265. Skeptikal 说:
    @Anon

    ” but it is a sign of the collapse of secular society there and it’s replacement by a regime that you would not want to live in. ”

    我认为沙米尔是在赞扬阿富汗人在自己国家取得的胜利。

    As for “a secular society,” you mean like, maybe, Israel?

    As for “free speech,” you mean like, maybe, the USA, UK, Europe, and Australia?

    至于伊斯兰教法,至少它是一种可以预见的法治,不像在美国,法治比双子塔崩溃得更快。

    What don’t you get about “it’s their country and it’s up to them to decide how they want to live.”

    我们不是来帮助阿加尼斯、阿富汗妇女或任何人的。

    我们在那里帮助自己了解他们的战略地理位置。

    老实说。

    PS. Great article by Alistair Crooke (at Strategic Culture.org) on the AF situation and the true scope of the debacle for the USA.

  266. Ninemil 说:
    @Gorgeous George

    George, have you been smoking those Afghan poppies? Your argument is nothing more than flatulent projection of your effiminacy and impotence. You haven’t got a clue! Go get yourself a sunflower latte enema and play with your dollie’s panties like a good little girl.

  267. Ninemil 说:
    @Gorgeous George

    George, have you been smoking those Afghan poppies? Your argument is nothing more than flatulent projection of your effiminacy and impotence. You haven’t got a clue! Go get yourself a sunflower latte enema and play with your dollie’s panties like a good little girl. Asshole.

  268. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    BTW, Quran was put to paper in 7th century and has a yellow cow, while TaNaKh (Torah, Naviim and Ketuvim) was put to paper in Hebrew from 10th to 12th century from the Classical Quranic Arabic.

    This is a truly novel claim. I know that Muslims believe that the Old and New Testament bibles were “corrupted”, but I never heard them claim that the Masoretic Hebrew text of the Old Testament from the tenth Century AD was taken from the Quranic Arabic! That is a whole new level of chutzpah my friend!

    I think there are two simple proofs that this idea is completely wrong. First of all the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament dates from the second century BC and it is in substantial agreement with the Masoretic text of the 10th Century AD:
    https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/
    https://orthochristian.com/81224.html
    http://www.matthewbryan.net/lxx3.html

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    This suggests that the Jews had preserved generation after generation the correct text of the Old Testament. The Masoretic text that you reference is unique only in that the vowalization dots and dashes were formulated and inserted into the text for the first time. Because as you probably know Torah scrolls are written without vowels. The Gospels record that Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah in the synagogue on Shabbat. If you don’t believe that the Old Testament was written down in Hebrew until the 10th Century AD, what was Jesus reading from in the synagogue in the first century AD?

    St. Paul also writes that one of the privileges of being Jewish is it they received the true oracles of God. And clearly they passed the text of those oracle’s faithfully down from generation to generation. The Hebrew word for scribe is SOFER which means counter like an accountant. In one reason they were called this is because they so precisely calibrated the Hebrew text of the Old Testament. Every single chapter of every single book was calibrated according to the number of versus the number of words the number of total letters. The Jews were meticulous in their careful transcription of the Hebrew Bible and passed it down faithfully from generation to generation.

    The second proof invalidating your claim that the Hebrew Bible was taken from the Arabic Quran, are the Dead Sea Scrolls from the first century AD, which are even more closely related to the 10th Century AD Masoretic Hebrew text. In fact I believe that the scroll of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls is identical in wording to the Masotetic text. Both the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Septuagint predate The Quran by 700 to 900 years. So it is outrageous that Muslims would claim that the Quran is a more accurate rendition of what came so many centuries earlier.

    It would be like Buddhists claiming the Bagavad Gitta was erroneous and they’re going to now rewrite the text. To their credit, Buddhists never made this claim but rather they introduced a whole new set of teachings and a whole new pathway without altering the original Hindu text. Muslims however have the amazing chutzpah of trying to alter retroactively Old and New Testament texts that preceded them by nearly a thousand years. I don’t believe there is an example of such brazen plagiarism and desecration of sacred texts in all of human history across all Global cultures.

    With all due respect, I would assert that Muslims face grave consequences in God’s eyes for tampering with his holy text, rewriting and repackaging it, and then claiming to the world that their version is the more correct one.

  269. @Mevashir

    Of course the Jewpocrites don’t hesitate to teach their own people contempt for every world religion, especially their two great rivals Christianity and Islam. Let’s see them stop whining and bullying and instead practice what they preach to — and demand from — others.

    I joined Saker’s old blog with a handle of Shia. I am not a practicing person, but I am proud to be a Shia and the Shia’s history. People’s objected thinking I am a fundie so I changed my handle to my real name Mohamed. Then we moved to Saker’s new blog, and when Russia came and took over the Crimea without firing a shot, I mentioned there that USA and Russia are in cahoots, and Obama gave Putin to Crimea on a Silver Platter. People thought that being a foreigner, I don’t the meaning of in cahoots.

    When I joined this forum, I said that I am a Shia and Iran and USA are best friends. People thought I am hasbara and they came after me with a vengeance, especially the Muslims who were mostly non-Shia. No, majority of USA politicians are not sell outs and not traitors to their own country. And, would never demean the Office of Presidency no matter who occupies it. When the House of Congress gave Netanyahu 29 standing ovations against Obama, they filled his head with hot air, and whenever they want, a little prick will do the trick. After 9/11, Iran’s two main enemies were removed, the Taliban 1.0 and Saddam Hussain.

    Today Russia is in Syria, they were kicked out as USSR by evil Kissinger from Middle East after the Yom Kippur war and Nixon was disgraced. And, Iran is in Syria too. The Federal Reserve System is defunct and money creation out of thin air is thrown out the window too. The Covid-19 is godsend, meaning mansend which will wipe out most of the wealth and bring close families together. The vices are slowly, slowly out and the virtues are in. Even the man these days wears cover on their faces, let alone the women. Airlines are refusing alcohol on board and refusing passengers in almost naked clothes. Israel days are numbered.

    Muslims and Christians had enough from Jews, and they are in cahoots to destroy the Jewish Wealth the Mammon. From the father Bush each President is toying with Israel and Jews. They are being exposed!

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  270. Mevashir 说:

    I was riding on a bus today and looking at all the passengers wearing masks and laughed to myself thinking that everyone is dressing like a Muslim woman with a veil! You make a lot of interesting points about how the evil culture of depravity is being suppressed by the covid restrictions.

    I never thought about 9/11 being a benefit to Iran. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the former Iranian president constantly denounced the US for lying about what happened on 9/11. But you are saying that the US invasion of Iraq actually benefited Iran correct? Also why do you say the Taliban were a threat to Iran?

    Last week I met an Iranian man in Colorado where I live. He had an American mother and Iranian father. He told me that many Iranians believe that the Europeans put the Ayatollah into power and actually helped stage the Iranian Revolution in 1979 because the Shah was beginning to resist control by the European powers and they wanted to get rid of him. This man claims the many Iranians believe that the Islamic government in Iran is under the control of the European powers. Is this possible?

    I also knew an elderly Iranian man who had been an Air force officer under the Shah. After the revolution he moved to the United States. He told me that Iranians are very proud of their Jewish Queen Esther from the Bible story and that her grave is a national pilgrimage site for Iranian school children.

    He also told me that Iranians respect Jews and Christians but all other religions are considered inferior and evil.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  271. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    My previous comment was supposed to be a response to you.

    No, majority of USA politicians are not sell outs and not traitors to their own country. And, would never demean the Office of Presidency no matter who occupies it.

    I cannot agree with you here. Virtually all US politicians are traitors and under control of the Zionists. Do you know that every new congressman and senator in Washington is brought on an all-expense-paid free trip to Israel to turn them into Zionist agents? Imagine if Communist China took American politicians on free trips to Beijing to program them with Chinese ideology. There would be outrage in America!

    Every single Senator and Congress-critter is a multi-millionaire. They are professional bribe takers from corporate lobbyists. And they are completely in the pockets of the Zionists. American politicians do not serve the interests of the American people but rather of the Jewish Bankers and their Zionist enforcers.

    • 同意: derer
  272. Skeptikal 说:
    @The Alarmist

    “German peoples, who had experienced relatively stable and developed societies before the war,”

    German people in a stable society before WW2?

    你抽什么烟?

  273. derer 说:
    @anon

    These regrettable withdrawals have allowed adversaries to fill the vacuum left in the wake and will continue to endanger U.S. interests.

    Occupations/invasions are costly but temporary measures and need withdrawals after rational benefit/cost analysis. Unfortunately in case of US enemies and conflicts are needed for the support of the well functioning military industry. How can continued occupation of Afghanistan – not the original intent – be in US national interest?

  274. @Mevashir

    那是一些错误。 美国没有人指控塔利班参与了 9/11 事件; 他们说他们没有与基地组织作战,也没有将他们交给西方。 基地组织被指控为 9/11,他们否认了这一点。

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
    , @gsjackson
  275. SAA 说:
    @Anonymous

    You are a classical example of how naive western so called analysts and experts are; First of all Iran is a 5000 year old civilisation and were a world power 2000 years ago who Rome feared and respected. Secondly; Persians invented games like chess and are masters at making check-mate moves and can play you for a long time and still check-mate. Thirdly; The Iranians are nuclear armed for a long time now, they will come out in the open when it suites them, fourthly; The Americans and Zionists know Irans status but play games for the mentally weak.

    (Why do you think when Iranians attacked the American base and gave it a pounding they will remember, Yet America did nor even fire a single bullet but slinked away like the cowards they are),

    Lastly; no smart nation least of all Iran will ever let the opponents how close they are to weapons grade enrichment ; that is not how geopolitics work. One thing you are right about is that behind all this evil is one evil rat of a country called Israel and one day all of will sink into a nuclear war because of this evil entity.

  276. anon[156]• 免责声明 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    I think that already 10 millions have arrived since Aug14 I might be wrong it might be 50 millions .

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  277. 目前,我们看到了疯狂的空降(=我们在 2015 年不再是)阿富汗人的撤离和他们在全世界的分散……突然之间,卢旺达、乌干达、阿尔巴尼亚、科索沃和马其顿等国家成为难民目的地,将成百上千的阿富汗人带走. 我开始相信迷失的以色列部落躲在阿富汗人中间,每个人都想要一些到世界末日的想法,作为神圣活动的灯塔(如果你看到阿富汗人跑向宇宙飞船,也跑),或者也许人质……

    • 哈哈: some_loon
  278. Anon[156]• 免责声明 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    You are a liar you know that ? You are also a buffoonish character with no knowledge of early Islam .

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  279. Alfred 说:
    @Mevashir

    He told me that many Iranians believe that the Europeans put the Ayatollah into power and actually helped stage the Iranian Revolution in 1979

    This was undoubtedly the case. The French harboured Khomeini and his supporters outside Paris. The British BBC was telling people where to demonstrate and when.

    Don’t forget that Khomeini was allied to the Communists at the beginning. The Tudeh party of Iran had been persecuted by the Shah for decades. It was extremely secretive. When it suited Khomeini, he turned on the Communists – their leadership was executed. In a similar way, he made lots of promises to the British and French – promises he never kept. That is why they were so livid with Khomeini later on. He tricked all of them. 🤣

    Don’t forget that Iran had been a British plaything. They exiled the father of the Shah. But the Americans took it over. The British wanted to spoil the party for the Americans. They thought they would get back control. 🙂

    One must always remember that all these 3-letter agencies are staffed by human beings – with the normal failings that go along with it.

    1984: Ten members of the Tudeh party (executed)

    On the video below, the prosecutor says (in Farsi) that for 60 years the accused had betrayed Iran.

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  280. @anon

    I think that already 10 millions have arrived since Aug14 I might be wrong it might be 50 millions .

    Don’t LIE!

    Here is the truth from horse’ mouth:

    Jewish groups kick into high gear as Afghan refugees begin to arrive in US

    With a longtime focus on refugee issues, Jewish organizations in US and around world are preparing to assist and help resettle Afghans who have fled the Taliban

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-groups-kick-into-high-gear-as-afghan-refugees-begin-to-arrive-in-us/

  281. @Jack McArthur

    Since no takers:

    Mevasher:

    我还想向你们指出,芝加哥大学的一项研究表明,当这个国家免费提供堕胎服务时,犯罪率急剧下降,因为黑人妇女不再生下那些会在没有父亲的家庭中长大并成为罪犯的不想要的婴儿。

    The study you mean is published by Oxford University Press and not University of Chicago? If so the claim you make is exaggerated and the result challenged having “been much criticized by other academics”.
    https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/01/7630/

    Unfortunately the Roman Catholic Church and their moronic fundamentalist allies undermined this sensible program.

    The collapse of Christian leadership in recent decades should not detract from the point that mainstream Christianity was always opposed to abortion and it was not as you state a characteristic of “fundamentalist” religion. “Braine in his study concludes that: “For the whole of Christian history until appreciably after 1900… there was virtually complete unanimity amongst Christians, evangelical, catholic, orthodox, that, unless at the direct command of God, it was in all cases wrong directly to take innocent human life.”
    https://www.christian.org.uk/theology/apologetics/the-sanctity-of-life/abortion/

    Margaret Sanger, who founded planned Parenthood, was a devout Protestant Christian.

    Sanger wrote ““Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches,” and she wrote in a 1920’s newsletter. “I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity, no less than capitalism.”
    https://christiannews.net/2016/03/04/mississippi-senate-advances-bill-to-defund-planned-parenthood/

    [Sanger] 提拔 contraception and abortion as a way to keep down the population of unwanted blacks.

    “[Sanger] did not 主张 abortion, and Planned Parenthood held this position until her death in 1966″.
    http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol16no1_2001.html

    The eugenicists in Nazi Germany had a similar policy.

    Citation please for NS policy re “unwanted blacks”.

    They also were Christians and they believed in euthanizing the terminally ill the mentally ill and the social deviants, all the people who torment me on the bus system out here.

    According to MSM you would have euthanised as well for being a Jew. Some doors when opened …The extent of Christian NS acceptance is not known to me. Unlike the woke brigades of today who think they are without sin Christians can be sinners. Christian Churches protested Aktion T4 the implementation of which is significant in the context what did or did not happen to the Jews and other groups i.e. the spiritual bridge regarding the taking of innocent lives had already been crossed with T4,

    So what? I have never encountered Christians who advocated stoning as the author of this essay does. As an aside I now more inclined to believe the famous passage in the gospel of John is not a late interpolation because it captures the authentic spirit of early Christianity and it is backed up by the evidence from the earliest sources regarding the penality for adultery.

    Nor have I ever encountered a Christian who advocates what the author of the above comments advocates. Is it coincidence that both writers claim to be former Jews who say they are Christians? Are not the comments those who are Judaizers?

    The Spider surah is recommended reading for Muslim apologists.

    • 谢谢: Larchmonter420
    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
    , @Mevashir
  282. S 说:

    I should add to my just previous post that what is taking place today in the Islamic world with its ‘Arab Spring’ is reminiscent of what took place in Europe in the 1920’s and ’30’s with the flowering of European peoples’ identity then, a ‘European Spring’ as it were. Fascism, including National Socialism, in many ways was simply a rehash of the old Kings/Emperors system of Europe with some modern trappings.

    These European wide hopes (fueled by ample financial support by the US/UK in the case of Germany as documented by Anthony Sutton and others) were then thoroughly crushed by the US /UK led ‘allies’ in a world war.

    According to WT Stead (a close associate of Cecil Rhodes of British Empire fame) on pgs 10, 11, and 12, of his 1902 book 世界的美国化, the US/UK between them within their then new ‘special relationship’ held 三次 的财富和经济资源 合并的 法国,俄罗斯和德国帝国。

    Stead thusly declares the US/UK to be the ‘supreme power’ over the Earth and the ‘world conquerers’.

    The manufactured world wars which have occurred since the start of the 20th century and the coinciding formation of the US/UK special relationship, including the present ‘World War IV’ which has been ongoing since Sept 11, 2001, have been in large part an attempt to consolidate and expand upon this global hegemony which was achieved over a hundred years ago.

    https://archive.org/details/americanizationo01stea/page/6/mode/2up

  283. @Anon

    You are a liar you know that ? You are also a buffoonish character with no knowledge of early Islam .

    Did you watch the video posted in post #271 by some_loon. If you didn’t then I am posting it here for your convince. You cannot hide the TRUTH as Allah is TRUTH. The real meaning of Kafir is someone who hides the TRUTH (Allah). It doesn’t mean I agree everything said in the video, but the history of Quran is well known to Muslim. Chapter 5 is the last chapter of the Quran and from it, I will post you the last two verses from it too.

    诗节 5:67- 使者啊! 传达从你的主那里向你启示的一切。 如果你不这样做,那么你就没有传达他的信息。 安拉肯定会保护你免受人民的伤害。 的确,安拉不会引导不信道的人。

    Verse 5:3- Today the disbelievers have given up all hope of ˹undermining˺ your faith. So do not fear them; fear Me! Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way.

    https://quran.com/5

    You see verse 5:67 is before verse 5:3 and I have quoted you a partial verse from 5:3 because I have post above is a full verse by itself, but the verse 5:3 was split and this single verse was hidden between it. Now come for my head or be truthful.

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  284. Mevashir 说:
    @israel shamir

    感谢您的澄清。 是否有任何宣战和入侵一个国家并仅仅因为他们窝藏一名被指控的罪犯而杀死其许多人民的先例? 有多少罪犯逃避美国法律逃往以色列? 美国是否有理由因此入侵以色列并推翻犹太复国主义政府?

    还有为什么 Laurent Guyenot 在他最新的 Unz 文章中写下以下内容:

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-was-a-straussian-coup/
    随着塔利班重新掌管阿富汗,我想我们很快就会听到 9/11 事件,这是二十年前推翻他们的捏造借口。 他们从来没有机会为自己辩护。 到了发表公开声明的时候,我们可能会瞥见背景中的中国官员。 他们将把矛头指向美国,而美国将作出激烈的反华宣传。 无论如何,新的发展是可以预料的。 这是我对这个充满希望的二十周年的贡献。

  285. Mevashir 说:
    @Alfred

    I don’t really understand your comment. You are saying that the European powers preferred a Muslim fundamentalist to a secular ruler like the Shah?

    • 回复: @Jack McArthur
    , @Alfred
  286. @Jack McArthur

    Nor have I ever encountered a Christian who advocates what the author of the above comments advocates. Is it coincidence that both writers claim to be former Jews who say they are Christians? Are not the comments those who are Judaizers?

    萨拉姆兄弟

    I was not avoiding you, but I didn’t have any knowledge on it. The Jews in the past have infiltrated in Islam and Christianity, many a times. This time these two religions are in cahoots to teach Jews some lesson. If you look at my past comments, you will find that Islam sects are being united with the blessing of KSA. This was the price wanted by Sayyid Khomeini to cooperate with USA.

    The Spider surah is recommended reading for Muslim apologists.

    Can you please shade some light so I understand what you and respond to you? I looked up all the Muslim apologists on Wikipedia and it lists eight scholars. They were all mouth pieces for KSA, and the most dangerous of them is Zakir Naik and he is still alive. But I believe those who are alive now are slowing making U-Turn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Muslim_apologists

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

    A person is a brother in Adam or a brother in religion. Imam Ali (as)

    • 回复: @Jack McArthur
  287. @Larchmonter420

    Notice how you have studiously avoided answering direct questions but instead resort to the old apologist trick of burying unwelcome facts under a deluge of verbiage.

    I believe that when I leave this life I will be held accountable for what I say and write and so I pray for absolution daily. But this so called Muslim and Christian convert are not what they portray.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  288. @Mevashir

    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  289. @Larchmonter420

    I do not believe you or Mishaver – liars for “Yahweh” because you failed to answer straightforward questions, resorting to the well worn path of distorting apologetics that the “one true god” depends on. As somebody once sung “Gimme Some Truth”.

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  290. Alfred 说:
    @Mevashir

    You are saying that the European powers preferred a Muslim fundamentalist to a secular ruler like the Shah?

    Of course. They have always done so. Look at what happened to secular Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    The Muslim Brotherhood was created by the British. All the “head-choppers” of the the Middle East were created, recruited, trained, financed, transported by allies of the West or directly by the West and Israel.

    • 同意: Commentator Mike
  291. Mevashir 说:
    @israel shamir

    Now that I have your attention, Israel, could you comment on the following. Many years ago I corresponded with a Syrian Orthodox Christian. He told me in the East the Orthodox Church tends to view Islam as a Christian heresy rather than a rival religion altogether. Perhaps this is simply pragmatic since in the East (with the exception of Russia) Islam overwhelmed the Christian presence. It’s clear that Islam reveres Jesus and Mary but it also denies his atoning Crucifixion and Resurrection. And as St Paul writes, if there was no resurrection then Christians are to be pitied above all men. Do you have any thoughts? It would be nice to hear something theological from you rather than just conspiratorial dirty power politics.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @israel shamir
  292. Mevashir 说:
    @Jack McArthur

    OK I am just seeing your comment for the first time. I will try to explain and alleviate some of your paranoia. (I don’t own a computer and have to use public libraries. So pardon moi…)

    The study you mean is published by Oxford University Press and not University of Chicago? If so the claim you make is exaggerated and the result challenged having “been much criticized by other academics”.

    I learned of this study in one of the Freakonomics books, which are a series of popular economics books written by a professor at Univeresity of Chicago. He says that about 20 years after Roe v Wade there was an unexplained massive drop in crime rates across the nation. The theory was that abortion allowed for a lower birth rate of unwanted fatherless black children who would have been entering violent gangs in their late teens and early 20s in the 1990s, precisely the period when crime rates dropped:

    [更多]

    https://www.amazon.com/Freakonomics-Economist-Explores-Hidden-Everything/dp/0060731338
    https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion/
    https://freakonomics.com/

    Citation please for NS policy re “unwanted blacks”. I was not citing NS Germany regarding unwanted blacks but rather unwanted other groups.

    According to MSM you would have euthanised as well for being a Jew. Some doors when opened …The extent of Christian NS acceptance is not known to me. Unlike the woke brigades of today who think they are without sin Christians can be sinners. Christian Churches protested Aktion T4 the implementation of which is significant in the context what did or did not happen to the Jews and other groups i.e. the spiritual bridge regarding the taking of innocent lives had already been crossed with T4

    I believe Christian acceptance of Hitler was pervasive. Others have commented here that the German Catholic bishops totally supported Hitler, despite ambivalence in the Vatican. They also have noted that a special memorial Mass was recited annually for Hitler in Catholic Spain. I have read that although only 30% of Germans were members of the NS party, 90% of German churches, both Protestant and Catholic supported Hitler. See these videos for example:

    https://youtu.be/kEdnwpo28NM

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x79b28o

    https://www.keene.edu/academics/ah/cchgs/collections/media/detail/theologians-under-hitler/
    In the days after World War II, a convenient story was told of church leaders and ordinary Christians that defied the Nazis from the beginning. Recent research has uncovered a very different story. Rather then resisting, the greater part of the German church saw Hitler’s rise in 1933 as an act of God’s blessing, a new chapter in the story of God among the German people. This film, based upon ground-breaking research, introduces the viewer to three of the greatest Christian scholars of the 20th century: Paul Althaus, Emanuel Hirsch, and Gerhard Kittel, men who were also outspoken supporters of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. In 1933 Althaus spoke of Hitler’s rise as “a gift and miracle of God.” Hirsch saw 1933 as a “sunrise of divine goodness.” And Kittel, the editor of the standard reference work on the Jewish Background of the New Testament, began working for the Nazis to find a “moral” rationale for the destruction of European Jewry. This provocative film asks: how could something like this happen in the heart of Christian Europe? Could it happen again? How does the scholarship of this period affect the church today? Does the church of today retain the ability to recognize profound evil? DVD only. 64 minutes.

    Sanger wrote ““Birth control appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the authority of the Christian churches,” and she wrote in a 1920’s newsletter. “I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the tyranny of Christianity, no less than capitalism.”

    I accept your correction about Sanger. I was living in North Carolina in 2010 when news broke about their long-running eugenics program wherein they forcibly sterilized young black women. This was the nation’s longest running program that only stopped in 1973. Perhaps as many as 50,000 black women were sterilized. Because this was done in a bible belt state whose politicians overseeing this program were almost all fundamentalist Christians who accepted Sanger’s eugenics theories, I had assumed that she too was one of them:

    https://www.npr.org/2011/12/28/144375339/a-brutal-chapter-in-north-carolinas-eugenics-past
    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/north-carolina-senate-blocks-compensation-sterilization-victims-eugenics/story?id=16628515
    https://lozierinstitute.org/north-carolina-eugenics-victims-still-seeking-justice-due-to-compensation-technicality/
    https://carolinapublicpress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/North-Carolinas-Forced-Sterilization-Program-A-Case-for-Compensating-the-Living-Victims-policy-report.pdf
    http://bioethics.wfu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/WickedSilenceStudentDiscussionGuide.pdf

    In another comment you wrote this:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-sheer-joy-of-afghanistan/#comment-4866027
    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    It is a fact that NS Germany and Southern US States practiced brutal forms of eugenics pioneered by Sanger. I have overstated this regarding abortion. I accept what you wrote that generally Christian Churches condemn abortion. However is forced sterilization better? Both Judaism and Islam teach that self-sterilization is a serious sin. In Judaism a sterilized person is not permitted to marry or to be part of the community. So forced sterilizations by NS and Southern Christians is a brutal assault upon a person’s sexuality and humanity. And yes this aspect of Christianity I am attacking. Just like the prophets of old.

    About abortion: Torah law states that an adulterous woman who is convicted and subject to capital punishment is executed even if she is pregnant. The baby must die with her. This teaches that sometimes in God’s eyes the baby is not “innocent life” at all but shares the guilt of its mother. This should allow room for women who are pregnant in all sorts of unwanted and unplanned ways to be allowed to have abortions. That’s my personal opinion.

    I don’t attend any church since I think all of them promote false teachings or support criminal behavior by the State (eg, the almost universal support of American churches for the bogus war on [of] terror. If that makes me 不是基督徒 in your eyes, so be it.

    I am a follower of Jesus, very imperfectly, but I shun the company of toxic American Christianity, just like the desert Fathers of old. Shalom

  293. @Jack McArthur

    Notice how you have studiously avoided answering direct questions but instead resort to the old apologist trick of burying unwelcome facts under a deluge of verbiage.

    I believe that when I leave this life I will be held accountable for what I say and write and so I pray for absolution daily. But this so called Muslim and Christian convert are not what they portray.

    萨拉姆兄弟

    [更多]

    You don’t know my history on this forum. I am born Arab and born Shia. And, I went to USA for higher education, this was the wish of father who was indebted to good missionary, who build hospital and brought every thing with them, including cement, generators and so forth along with doctors and nurses, when there was no electricity in my country. My father wish for me was to go to USA, marry there and come back with a wife from there. This was in a way like paying his debts to USA and Christians. My tribe is very inbred, so I married in Arkansas to a WASP with inbred people. My wife’s grandfather was a country doctor and he 14 children. Their family reunion is usually more than 600 people and wear name tag of their father and spouses too. I am an old coot, and most of wife’s grandfather children are dead now. God bless them and keep their souls in peace.

    I had failing out with Saker on his forum as I found out he was lying. And, he was promoting another apologist called, Shaikh Imran Hosein, one of the biggest liar. Anyhow, when I joined this forum, it asked for a fake handle and fake email. I love Rockn’Roll but I chose Tammy, a southerner and a Country singer. All the liberals were made at me. And, then the Muslim came after me when I was posting as Muslim. So, I revealed my true ID. They came after me with an vengeance. My account was locked out many a times by Ron Unz. I came back with another handle and said who was I. The Muslims kept on complaining about me. I was locked out many times, but I persisted and eventually Mr. Unz allowed me but I had to be very careful what I write, because being a Shia the other Muslims on this forum made it a sectarian issue while complaining to Ron about. And, they are trying to save Ron’s forum from sectarianism. They said that we Muslims should stick together as Muslims in these trying times. This excuse has been made every time since the demise of the Prophet (saws).

    The Muslims worship each and every sahaba (companions), more than 100,000 and despise the Prophet (saws). They try to hide the TRUTH under sectarianism. You cannot saying anything about companions or they will cut your throat, even though the companions lied, cheated, murdered, committed fornication and this included many sins you can think. But it is OK to post false hadiths which shows the Prophet in a demeaning manner, such as he married a child of six years, killed people for leaving Islam, he was a torturer and so forth. And, if anyone said this is not true was labeled as a Kafir Shia and haunted. This is the first time I have been able to write so openly. I still have to answer to the following post about two issue raised by some_loon. The two issues, which he raised are:

    There are ‘Quran-only’ Muslims, who claim the Quran is enough, that the hadith are illicit innovations. They seem to come mostly from Sunni communities, and are regarded as heretics.

    I hope and pray to God, for Ron to let this post through and allow me to respond. I live in fear and persecution, but I will continue the TRUTH, if I am allowed and not blocked!

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  294. Mevashir 说:
    @Jack McArthur

    I put it to you that you are a liar. You are not a follower of Jesus but another Jew attacking Christianity.

    It is a fact that NS Germany and Southern US States practiced brutal forms of eugenics pioneered by Sanger. I have overstated this regarding abortion. I accept what you wrote that generally Christian Churches condemn abortion. However is forced sterilization better? Both Judaism and Islam teach that self-sterilization is a serious sin. In Judaism a sterilized person is not permitted to marry or to be part of the community. So forced sterilization is a brutal assault upon a person’s sexuality and humanity. And yes this aspect of Christianity I am attacking. Just like the prophets of old.

    [更多]

    About abortion: Torah law states that an adulterous woman who is convicted and subject to capital punishment is executed even if she is pregnant. The baby must die with her. This teaches that sometimes in God’s eyes the baby is not “innocent life” at all but shares the guilt of its mother. This should allow room for women who are pregnant in all sorts of unwanted and unplanned ways to be allowed to have abortions. That’s my personal opinion.

    I don’t attend any church since I think all of them promote false teachings or support criminal behavior by the State (eg, the almost universal support of American churches for the bogus war on [of] terror). If that makes me 不是基督徒 in your eyes, so be it. Perhaps I will try praying to become as good a Christian as you believe you are.

    [As an aside on abortion, Torah law is very clear that the man who impregnates a woman must either marry her and support her or pay an enormous fine to her family. Why don’t Christians who oppose abortion propose laws to hold the biological father accountable? Why do they seem only to target the woman (rather like the Pharisees in John who demanded justice against the adulterous woman but allowed the adulterer man to get away scot-free)? So maybe you and all anti-abortion bible thumpers are a lot more like Pharisees than Christians.]

    I am a follower of Jesus, very imperfectly, but I eschew fellowship with toxic American Christianity, just like the desert Fathers of old. Shalom.

  295. @Jack McArthur

    I do not believe you or Mishaver – liars for “Yahweh” because you failed to answer straightforward questions, resorting to the well worn path of distorting apologetics that the “one true god” depends on. As somebody once sung “Gimme Some Truth”.

    Please see my post #313, in response to your post #307.

    穆罕默德

  296. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    You don’t know my history on this forum. I am born Arab and born Shia. And, I went to USA for higher education, this was the wish of father who was indebted to good missionary, who build hospital and brought every thing with them, including cement, generators and so forth along with doctors and nurses, when there was no electricity in my country. My father wish for me was to go to USA, marry there and come back with a wife from there. This was in a way like paying his debts to USA and Christians. My tribe is very inbred, so I married in Arkansas to a WASP with inbred people. My wife’s grandfather was a country doctor and he 14 children. Their family reunion is usually more than 600 people and wear name tag of their father and spouses too. I am an old coot, and most of wife’s grandfather children are dead now. God bless them and keep their souls in peace.

    Very fascinating! Did your WASP wife convert to Islam? Did you move back home with her?

    I assume you studied engineering or some science here. Your English writing has many small errors that make me think you did not study humanities.

    Do you live in the USA Europe or the ME today?

    沙洛姆·瓦萨拉姆

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  297. @Mevashir

    Very fascinating! Did your WASP wife convert to Islam? Did you move back home with her?

    I assume you studied engineering or some science here. Your English writing has many small errors that make me think you did not study humanities.

    Do you live in the USA Europe or the ME today?

    No she didn’t. We moved back to my home country in ME and still living there. I have BSBA in Accounting. MBA in Economic and Finance. I am a registered member of AICPA (American Institution of Certified Chartered Accountant). I am in debt to USA for giving me such fine education! And, lovely Southerners. I miss my family (in-laws)very much as they are God fearing Christians.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  298. @Mevashir

    大马士革约翰认为伊斯兰教是基督教的异端。 现在我们很少使用“异端”这个词。 我想说伊斯兰教是基督教的一个分支。 基督没有被钉死在十字架上的想法不是伊斯兰教发明的。 它是诺斯替教的一部分,非正统的基督教学校。 奇怪,但并不比像一些现代教士那样接受犹太人的信仰指导更奇怪))

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  299. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    If you miss your Southern American relatives, you might enjoy this concert by a famous Southern Gospel group called The Hoppers: https://vimeo.com/13720010

    You did not clarify if your wife converted to Islam. Did she learn to speak Arabic as well?

    沙洛姆·瓦萨拉姆

    PS For some levity, here is a joke I just heard:

    Q: What is the difference between a crayfish and an attorney?

    A: One is a swamp dwelling bottom feeder, and the other is a kind of fish!

  300. Mevashir 说:
    @israel shamir

    再次感谢以色列。 哇,我从来没有听说过伊斯兰教是基督教的一个分支。 我确实读到过这样的想法,即伊斯兰教可以被视为反对拜占庭东正教腐败和堕落的改革运动,与新教改革者反对罗马天主教堂的运动类似。 你认为这个想法有可信度吗?

    In this perspective, how would we view Muhammad? Would he be seen as a reformer like Luther or Calvin? Or one of the Christian innovators like John Wesley or the founders of The Seventh-Day Adventists Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons?

    如果您有时间回答,这里还有一些其他问题:

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    1. 我在 2000 年受洗,2005 年是我在以色列生活的最后一年。 我与耶路撒冷的许多弥赛亚会众一起敬拜,但发现他们是狂热的犹太复国主义者,对巴勒斯坦人几乎完全没有同情心。 自从回到美国并更多地了解巴勒斯坦人的观点后,我开始相信基督教犹太复国主义者将巴勒斯坦人边缘化的一个原因是因为大多数巴勒斯坦基督徒要么是马龙派天主教徒,要么是希腊东正教徒,而美国福音派人士对此知之甚少,也没有同情,这些教派。 事实上,我知道许多基督教犹太复国主义者前往圣地旅行时会故意避开所有著名的天主教和东正教朝圣地,以取悦他们自己和以色列导游。

    2. 英国有位奇怪的博主声称《古兰经》从未否认耶稣受难和复活,而是说这是后来伊斯兰教对一段含糊经文的解释。 (导致流行的穆斯林声称耶稣在被钉十字架之前被提到天堂,而犹大代替他被钉死在十字架上。)这种说法是真的吗?

    https://jahtruth.net/koran.htm
    https://jahtruth.net/kcnot.htm
    That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God”;- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-Being used). . .

    3. 你熟悉伯利恒星光基督教慈善组织吗? 它赞助了由路德会巴勒斯坦牧师米特里·拉赫布(Mitri Raheb)在伯利恒开办的一所大学。 它的学生既是穆斯林又是基督徒:
    https://www.mitriraheb.org/
    https://www.daralkalima.edu.ps/en/staff/our-team
    [电子邮件保护]
    https://brightstarsbethlehem.org/who-we-are/mitri-raheb/
    https://calvin.edu/directory/series/mitri-raheb

  301. You did not clarify if your wife converted to Islam. Did she learn to speak Arabic as well?

    You are not a good reader, but you write very well. A monkey can write very well too. I used to be a meticulous writer, dotting by i(s) and crossing my t(s). Then I found out that only very few are good readers. So, I quit being a good writer, and spent my time on being a good reader. I can spot things very quickly.

    I have in the past called out both Mr. Israel and Mr. Gilad Atzmon as gate keepers. Almost all Jewish writers on this site are gate keepers. I better be careful, before I am misunderstood.

    I have a extreme bad habit calling spade a spade!

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  302. @Mevashir

    Thank you again Israel. Wow, I have never heard the idea of Islam being a branch of Christianity.

    LOL! God has a chutzpah to send different religion on different countries, cultures, races and so forth, so that we can fight with each other till eternity. Isn’t One God creator of everything!

    人类啊,我们从一男一女创造了你们,并把你们变成了种族和部落,以便你们可以相互识别。 在真主的眼中,你们中最尊贵的人无疑是你们中最虔诚的人。 真主无疑是无所不知、无所不知的。

    https://quran.com/49/13

    穆罕默德

  303. @Mevashir

    Thank you again Israel. Wow, I have never heard the idea of Islam being a branch of Christianity.

    Another chutzpah God has that He created us to take extreme delight to see majority of mankind to burn in hell for eternity. From raw meat to well-done kebabs, back to raw meat and …..

    You said you knew Hebrew. Here is a three letters root for you, RHM. I will put vowels and see if you know the meaning:
    RaHM =
    RaHMan =
    RaHiM =

    I am sure you know the meanings of the above three words,which I wrote above. If you don’t than email them to Rahm Emanuel who was the first chief of staff in Obama White House. He fought in Israel againt.. And, his father said that while his son a Jew, is the chief of staff to the President, where the Arabs are the janitors in the same White House. Then he was moved to Chicago to destroy it!

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  304. @Mevashir

    Now some news and kudos to Biden.

    Bennett-Biden meeting delayed to Friday due to deadly Kabul attacks

    Israeli delegation starts to make tentative preparations to stay in Washington over the weekend, as White House pushes back sit-down by a day, after US Marines among those killed. The much-anticipated meeting between Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and US President Joe Biden at the White House was postponed Thursday, after deadly attacks at Kabul airport.

    The meeting will now be held on Friday at 11:30 a.m. (6:30 p.m. Israel time), the White House announced. Due to the sit-down’s proximity to the Sabbath, Bennett will wait to return to Israel until Saturday night, his office said.

    Unfortunately, Israel Shamir is not on the grounds to verify facts as President Trump used to say most of the news is fake. Anyhow, with razor thin majority, Netanyahu is waiting in the wings to topple the government.

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

  305. Distorted mention is made above regarding Spain and memorial services for Adolf Hitler.

    The Falange remained at the center of the government. Franco shared their anti-Semitism, and he believed that Jews and Freemasons (whom he tried to eliminate in Spain) directed the Allied war effort. Thus, Franco continued to send war materials to Nazi Germany until May 1944, and he did not break diplomatic relations with Germany until May 1945, four days before the leaders of the Falange attended a requiem mass for Hitler.
    https://commonreader.wustl.edu/c/4249/

    The Jewish Chronicle magazine which said that in 1951 Franco had a mass said to celebrate Hitler and pray for his soul in the Church of San Jose in Madrid the capital of Spain. Sadly, the Catholic Church had supported Franco throughout the Civil War and its aftermath.
    https://www.wacarts.co.uk/misc/franco-and-his-support-and-collaboration-with-hitler-the-side-the-exhibition-did-show

    A memorial mass in Madrid for Hitler, to have marked the 22nd anniversary of his death this weekend [1967], was banned by the Archbishop of Madrid, it was reported here today from the Spanish capital. The Most Rev. Casimiro Morcilio issued the ban after a group reportedly associated with the Spanish Falange Party tried to arrange the service at a Madrid church.
    https://www.jta.org/archive/falange-groups-in-spain-display-pro-nazi-and-anti-semitic-sentiments

    Note that Nostra aetate was issued in October 1965.

    Meanwhile, after being quiet for a generation, Spanish students were demonstrating against an openly fascist regime that in April [1968] sanctioned a mass for Adolf Hitler in Madrid.
    1968: The Year That Rocked the World, Kurlansky, p. 82-83.

    For the head of the Catholic Church in Germany preparing an order for a requiem mass for Adolf Hitler see Klaus Scholder “A Requiem For Hitler: And Other New Perspectives On The German Church Struggle”
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3987155-a-requiem-for-hitler
    As Scholder notes:

    “So the [requiem mass] paper shows that all down the years the Cardinal was not in fact acting out of tactical considerations, but that despite all the insults to the church, the threats and the persecutions, he continued to see and respect Hitler as the Catholic state head of the Reich.

    In my opinion Cardinal Bertram would have to cancel it when he heard that suicide was involved.

  306. @Skeptikal

    Another chutzpah God has that He created us to take extreme delight to see majority of mankind to burn in hell for eternity. From raw meat to well-done kebabs, back to raw meat and …..

    RaHM = Womb, where life begin and preserved until birth.

    RaHMan = God’s Mercy, where all the pups are loved equally and indiscriminately.

    RaHiM = God’s Mercy, reserved for obedient pups.

    The very first verse of the Quran:

    بِسْمِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

    In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful,the Especially Merciful.

    https://quran.com/1/1

    So, no hell for eternity. Heaven has 8 gates, where hell has 7 gates. Heaven is much bigger than hell. Slowly, slowly, most of the people will come out from hell, after a very long time and enter the biggest gate 8.

    穆罕默德

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  307. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    I think all people are gatekeepers of one kind or another, because everyone protects what is precious to him or her. What is unique about this website is we are able to dialogue between very different positions and viewpoints.

    Ron Unz may not have much of a Jewish identity, but he acts on this website like a Jewish matchmaker, bringing together people who try to create bonds of understanding communication and harmony. And that’s a very great thing!

    I am no kind of official gatekeeper because I have no official standing in any Community, unlike Ron or Israel Shamir or probably anyone else who writes on this website. I live in section 8 housing, I have been excluded by both the Christian and Jewish communities. I have a restraining order against me from one of the local synagogues and one of the local churches because they don’t like my outspoken ways of communicating, very similar to what you do.

    My children in Israel have refuse to communicate with me at all and changed their last name to disassociate themselves from me. My father, who is a traditional Jew, disinherited me. So if I’m a gatekeeper it’s a gatekeeper of my own conscience and I make no apologies for that.

    I try to dialogue with the good in every person. When I last lived in Israel I met a German girl who volunteered at a Christian organization. We were talking about 9/11 truth and I told her how much I despised President Bush II. I said to her that given a choice I would rather spend an hour having coffee with Adolf Hitler then with Bush, because he seems like such a moron. This poor girl turned white and almost fainted and told me if I said something like that back in Germany, even in jest, I would be arrested!

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    I can acknowledge that Hitler had many good points. He liked to read, he was cultured, he appreciated good art and music, he was articulate, he was a patriot, he cared about his German nation and their degradation after World War I, he was In that war a war hero and victim, he was a visionary. Certainly no American politician comes close to these characteristics. Maybe John F Kennedy or Abraham Lincoln long ago were similar.

    I am beginning to agree with Jack McArthur on this thread that you are shifty and dodge unpleasant questions. I provided strong evidence to you that the Bible text is much older and much more reliable than the Koran. That evidence is seen in the Septuagint Greek translation of the Old Testament from the second century BC and the Dead Sea Scrolls from the first century AD. I suggested that Muslims have tremendous chutzpah to come along nearly a thousand years later and claim to retroactively rewrite those sacred texts. Yet you had no comment.

    I spent a number of years involved with the Mormon Community. The city where I live in Colorado is considered to have the third strongest Mormon community in America. They are very active and very prestigious. Mormon leaders here are doctors engineers lawyers people of prestigious professional qualifications. I came to believe that the Mormon religion is very similar to Islam. Both religions claim to have produced a Latter-Day Prophet. Both religions have produced a text that they say is superior to the original biblical texts. Both religions claim to be the true fulfillment of the older religion. Both religions espouse polygamy as well.

    Mormons are a very impressive Community, but I do not believe the claims about their founder Joseph Smith and his book of Mormon. I believe this book was fabricated as religious literature with a strong emphasis on deceit. I learned a lot about this from the website of a man who was raised in a large Mormon family, became an atheist, had a long career as a homicide detective, and after his retirement became a born-again Christian. If you are interested in his arguments explaining the falsehoods of the Mormon religion see here:
    https://coldcasechristianity.com/tag/mormonism/

    I have met a Mormon man who came from a huge polygamous family. 14 wives married to one man. That man is in his seventies and recently took a fourteen-year-old bride. I’m pretty certain that Muslims would never behave in this manner which I think is detestable.

    I recently watched a YouTube clip of an interview with the former Saudi Ambassador to United States. This man went to university here and is extremely articulate in the English language. He speaks it far better than most Americans. And therefore because of the many mistakes in the way you write your comments here, I was skeptical that you studied in the United States. (Maybe your wife comes from a community of Southern hillbillies. They speak English about as well as they speak Arabic.)

    But in all honesty my critique of your English should not be taken seriously. You write it far better then I could write in Hebrew after living in Israel for 20 years. I know a handful of words in Arabic but I could never write it. So I commend you for your command of English. And please forgive me for criticizing it.

    I don’t wish to interact with you anymore because you keep dodging the questions that I think are important, such as the history of the biblical text, the lack of a musical tradition in Islamic worship, etc. You said you are an old man, so what do you have to lose by being candid?

    I wish you every blessing. Let me close with an appropriate joke:

    What do you call a person who speaks three languages? 三语.

    What do you call a person who speaks two languages? 双语.

    What do you call a person who speaks only one language? 一个美国人!

    Shalom waSalaam bismissua Al Masih Amen!

  308. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    This sounds like the Catholic concept of purgatory:

    “So, no hell for eternity. Heaven has 8 gates, where hell has 7 gates. Heaven is much bigger than hell. Slowly, slowly, most of the people will come out from hell, after a very long time and enter the biggest gate 8.”

  309. Mevashir 说:
    @Larchmonter420

    In closing, I would like to mention the website of a Muslim convert to Christianity who lives in Colorado. He has the website with a number of books that can be downloaded for free did explore the differences between Christianity and Islam. I hope you will look into it:

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    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c11664445776e697a897a84/1620229059006-B2623E9FOINNDYKY1ILC/Nabeel+Photo.jpg?format=500w
    https://www.nabeeljabbour.com/books
    Dr. Jabbour has authored three books in Arabic and four in English: Unshackled and Growing: Muslims and Christians on the Journey to Freedom; The Rumbling Volcano on Islamic Fundamentalism; and The Unseen Reality on spiritual warfare. His latest book, The Crescent Through the Eyes of the Cross, on the Muslims worldview, has been reprinted eight times.

    https://www.nabeeljabbour.com/about
    Dr. Nabeel Jabbour is originally from Lebanon. He lived with his family in Egypt for fifteen years. He and his family moved to Colorado Springs in January 1991. Since 1997, the Jabbours have been U.S. citizens. Although Dr. Jabbour comes from an Arab Christian background, for the first fifty years of his life, Muslims were his neighbors, teachers, friends, roommates, and later his friends and students.

    While earning a doctorate in Islamics, Dr. Jabbour’s method of study was phenomenology. It is a method of study where the phenomenon is allowed to speak for itself resulting in a compassionate understanding of the phenomenon from the adherent’s point of view. He did not want to project his prejudice on Islam and Muslims and come to predetermined conclusions. Instead, he learned to put on Muslim worldview lenses, to stand in their shoes, and to see the world through their eyes.

    In the past Dr. Jabbour taught at several seminaries in North America and other parts of the world. Since June 2016, Dr. Jabbour has been teaching free of charge his course on Islam and Geopolitics of the Middle East in Colorado Springs and wherever he gets invited to teach.

    One of those who took his course on Islam and the Geopolitics of the Middle East wrote:

    Never before have I had a class affect me as much as this one has. It’s amazing how freeing knowledge is.

    A physician who took the course wrote:

    This was one of the most influential educational experiences I have had.

    Another person who took the course wrote:

    Thank you again for this challenging and enjoyable course. I would take it again in a heartbeat.

    Dr. Jabbour is a million miler and has visited most of the Islamic countries in the world. Because he has lived in the United States since 1991, he has come to understand both worlds of the Arab and Muslim world on one hand and the American and Christian world on the other. He has learned to interpret the “strange” phenomena of Islam and Islamic Fundamentalism to people in the West, and especially to Christians.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  310. 伊斯兰教最初看起来像是犹太教的新版本,从保利派基督教的角度来看,它当然是异端邪说(有人注意到教皇方济各最近在贬低摩西律法……?)。

    然而,伊斯兰教并非如本文作者所愿,起源于基督教的诺斯替异端(后来的诺斯替伊斯玛仪主义是 LATER)。 换句话说,如果有的话,伊斯兰教是死海古卷的产物,而不是 Nag Hammadi 图书馆的产物。

    考虑到圣约翰启示录来自犹太教环境,我有时想知道圣约翰启示录 19:11-21 是否没有谈到穆罕默德和阿拉伯人。

    19.13 “他的名字叫做神的道”——一位先知

    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @Jack McArthur
  311. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    My previous comment has a mistake. Nabeel Jabbour was raised as a Lebanese Christian, although he is an academic authority on Islam. From his website cited above:

    Although Dr. Jabbour comes from an Arab Christian background, for the first fifty years of his life, Muslims were his neighbors, teachers, friends, roommates, and later his friends and students.

  312. Mevashir 说:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    有趣的是你应该提到启示录19。我想知道说白马骑士名字真实而忠实的那节是不是指罗马皇帝君士坦丁,他是罗马政府正式承认基督教的人。

    The following link on my blog contains a very long commentary I wrote comparing the Koran with the Bible. I discovered that the Koran contains many Gnostic Gospel Legends about the life of Jesus. So I’m not sure why you claim that Islam does not derive from Gnostic Christianity:
    https://mevashir.home.blog/2019/12/19/korn-quran-crown-%d7%a7%d7%a8%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%9f-%d7%a7%d7%95%d7%a8%d7%9f/

  313. @Mevashir

    君士坦丁大帝死后才受洗。 他在外部战争中也没有成功。 他也不是先知。
    君士坦丁试图在没有真正成为基督徒的情况下控制基督教,正如他的口号“以他的名义取得胜利”所说的那样——我会说这是对伪君子的定义。
    伪君子是古兰经中的一个问题,同样在启示录中,他们被称为“那些声称自己是犹太人但不是犹太人的人”。

    伊斯兰教的基本规则 AFAIK 是 tawhid,一神论的至高无上。 我会说诺斯替主义与 tawhid 不相容。 为了调和诺斯替主义和伊斯兰教,必须引入新柏拉图式的放射理论,但这是后来的补充。

    但是神学很容易操纵。 检查某人来自哪里的一项规则是亲属婚姻,禁止这是死海古卷的基本关注点。 它确实只存在于阿什肯纳兹犹太教(非迈蒙尼德信徒)、卡赖姆和前新教基督教教派中。 第一位改革者路德已经允许亲戚通婚。
    这对谁来说可能很重要? 对于一些相信自己是堕落天使的后代,痴迷地试图保持他们的“纯洁”的人。
    为什么伊斯兰教不禁止近亲通婚? 很难知道,但这种传统是最难根除的传统之一。
    比如1900年以前的意大利南部,亲戚结婚的比例非常高,大约40-50%,所以宗教本身是不够的。

    几个世纪以来,黎巴嫩一直是异端的温床,而且它的近亲繁殖也令人难以置信。 据称,每个人都至少是那里每个人的 3 度亲属。 所以我不会太依赖来自那里的人。

  314. @Mevashir

    耶路撒冷的弥赛亚会众,但发现他们是狂热的犹太复国主义者

    的确; 这些犹太人想成为特殊地位的基督徒,而这个概念对基督教来说是陌生的。
    我建议你去一个普通的使徒教会,天主教或东正教; 遵循他们的例行公事,去他们的祈祷,你的灵魂就会找到安宁。

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  315. @Another Polish Perspective

    马龙派教会显然允许亲戚结婚,尽管它是路德教会之前的。

    根据天主教教父和医生的教导,坚持与亲属结婚的人否认他们与其他人的兄弟情谊:

    “根据圣奥古斯丁(上帝之城 XV.16)和圣托马斯(Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3)的说法,社会秩序的福祉要求在全人类之间尽可能广泛地扩展友谊和爱,密切血缘关系的通婚是反对的理想目标”

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

    从古罗马直到第二次布匿战争都禁止亲属通婚这一事实,我们可以推断出迦太基/腓尼基/黎巴嫩的影响在此之后改变了罗马的 mos maiorum。

  316. @Another Polish Perspective

    新教/加尔文主义的宿命概念似乎类似于德鲁士(来自黎巴嫩的伊斯兰异端之一)关于宇宙中德​​鲁士灵魂数量固定的想法。 由于德鲁士是第一个,它甚至可能是这方面的新教思想的起源。

    同样,隐藏的五角星是德鲁斯(作为 5 角星)和新教徒(作为以心形符号为中心的 5 瓣花)的象征。

  317. @Another Polish Perspective

    德鲁兹——腓尼基人的伊斯兰教
    马龙派教徒——腓尼基人的基督教
    Sephardim – 腓尼基人的犹太教

    伪君子渗透了一切。

    如果您曾听过一个 Sephardi 犹太人讲述犹太人如何在南美洲受到爱戴,并将其与他们失去的天堂 Al-Andalus 进行比较,您就会意识到这是真的。

    墨西哥最受欢迎的圣人之一是马龙派圣人圣查贝尔。 黎巴嫩人以卡洛斯·斯利姆为首的寡头统治墨西哥。

  318. @Another Polish Perspective

    Today in Egyptian calender is Feast of Thoth who invented hieroglyphs “god(s) words”. The Book of Revelations has many links to Ancient Egypt. The female counterpart of Thoth is Seshat who is patron of accounting (mentioned above).

    • 谢谢: Alfred
  319. Mevashir 说:
    @israel shamir

    的确; 这些犹太人想成为特殊地位的基督徒,而这个概念对基督教来说是陌生的。

    我认为他们也想成为特殊地位的犹太人:被完全接受为犹太教的一个分支,而不挑战其他分支。 换句话说,一种非福音派形式的犹太弥赛亚主义。

    关于穆罕默德:

    M奥什 Y舒华 Muhammad —> acronym MaYiM [水]

    我们的评论者穆罕默德是否正确地说穆罕默德的希伯来词根是 MHD 而不是 HMD? 我认为它源自 HaMuD,意思是亲爱的或亲爱的。

    • 回复: @israel shamir
  320. Mevashir 说:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    君士坦丁大帝在临终前才受洗。 他在外部战争中也没有成功。 他也不是先知。

    Neither were the Apostles [Peter Andrew James John …] prophets. Constantine is called 使徒的兄弟 受到天主教和东正教的影响,他和他的母亲海伦娜都是封圣的圣徒。

    He is at least as great as Cyrus the Great, who is called God’s Anointed [Messiah] in the Book of Isaiah, even though he never renounced his Zoroastrian faith.

  321. Pity that this thread has turned into a religious discussion. It would be nice to return to our regularly scheduled programming. It’s not as if nothing is happening in Afghanistan these days, and the death of those marines certainly is not “sheer joy”, regardless of which side of the debate you fall on.

  322. Alfred 说:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    从古罗马禁止亲戚通婚到第二次布匿战争

    这与防止近亲繁殖几乎没有关系。 部落社会要求亲属之间通婚。 分裂部落的最好方法是阻止亲属之间的婚姻。

    在你提到的那个时期之后,爱尔兰的天主教会甚至阻止了第三个表亲的婚姻。 这有效地分裂了爱尔兰的部落。 近年来,随着部落不再存在,他们放松了这些规则。

    而二、三等表亲的血缘关系则相去甚远——五、六、甚至更远的旁系亲缘关系。 因此,根据教规 1091,这些堂兄弟可以在天主教堂结婚。

    考辛斯可以在(天主教)教堂结婚吗

  323. sarz 说:
    @Anon

    The AIPAC crowd is worried about what Biden is up to. The Neocon mouthpiece online magazine, Tablet, featured a piece a few months back by two leading shabbos goys dealing with what they feared was the Realignment. Given what Biden has done in Afghanistan, and given that the Iranis have not given up on getting some sort of relief from sanctions, maybe something decent at the expense of hardline Israelis is in the works.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/realignment-iran-biden-obama-michael-doran-tony-badran

    • 回复: @Larchmonter420
  324. @sarz

    The AIPAC crowd is worried about what Biden is up to.

    Biden sends Bennett empty handed. Bennett had planned his meting with Biden for a very long time. The meeting was set for last Thursday. It was cancelled and reschedule for Friday, twice cancelled, eventually was given 25 minutes. The meeting was held over lunch and Bennett people were thrilled it lasted 45 minutes. Wow, how much one can talk during meal and how many charts can be shown.

    Then they both gave a short speech. Biden went first and promised that Iran will not nuclear on his watch, fake promise as both Biden and Bennett it BS. The Bennett spoke, and the end he tanked Biden on behalf of him and Israel. Biden responded you should thank Obama. Bennett responded, please thank him on our behalf.

    You think Israel Shamir will tell you this! He missed the ball, as he had his eyes on Afghanistan!

    诚挚的问候,

    穆罕默德

  325. @Alfred

    您的论点没有意义,因为在第二次布匿战争期间,罗马大量流血,这会增加近亲繁殖的危险。
    照原样,罗马只有35个部落(贡品),其中只有4个是城市部落,所以看起来近亲繁殖并不扎根于部落,即使罗马部落大到可以避免它。

    老加图不仅反对迦太基,而且反对道德规范(道德风俗)的垮台,这可能表明这两个主题在某种程度上有联系,迦太基确实开始缓慢地向罗马渗透。 从如今的老卡图通常被描绘成一个狂妄的疯子这一事实,你可以推断迦太基终于在这场持续了几个世纪的战争中获胜了。 我想说,放宽近亲通婚禁令是它的另一个默示。

    禁止近亲结婚的起源一直是宗教的,我认为天主教会或犹太教不是出于实际考虑而制定的,这以某种方式逃脱了其他邪教和宗教。 为此,您必须找到由于以前缺乏近亲繁殖传统而未颁布禁令的地区。

  326. @Mevashir

    君士坦丁被称为他自己想要的名字,而“使徒兄弟”又名“第十三使徒”的称号是他的发明。 他无疑是教会的大恩人,难怪他是圣人。
    然而,问题是,为什么他应该是启示录 19 章中的人。这真的没有理由。

    然而,有趣的一点是,为什么他的母亲海伦,据称出身低下 [阅读:“未知”],是圣人。 如果您意识到罗马有权势的女性(Agrippina [尼禄的母亲]、Julia Domna [Heliogabalus 的母亲]、Messalina、Faustina the Younger [Commodus 的母亲])的坏名声,那么这是与模式的显着背离,例如从妓女到圣人。
    似乎有点奇怪,一旦我们得到一个新的神或圣人,我们现在就会得到一个女性对应物。
    耶稣 – 圣母玛利亚、抹大拉的玛利亚、玛利亚莎乐美
    君士坦丁大帝——母亲海伦
    穆罕默德 – 艾莎(尽管先知还有其他女儿)。

    谁在带来这种果断的非圣经发展......?!

    或者,奥西里斯/荷鲁斯需要他的伊希斯……?

    • 谢谢: Mevashir
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  327. @Cloak And Dagger

    你错了。

    权力等级是这样的:
    宗教 > 经济 > 政治 > 军事

    政治和军事力量有时会互换位置。

    宗教是人们真正准备好死去的唯一意识形态; 强化政策(例如纳粹主义和元首)成为一种宗教。

    如果在阿富汗的美国士兵为了实现但以理书中的某个预言而牺牲,我不会感到惊讶。

  328. Mevashir 说:
    @Another Polish Perspective

    很有趣的评论。 谢谢。

    穆罕默德 – 艾莎(尽管先知还有其他女儿)。

    我认为艾莎是他的妻子而不是女儿。 他们订婚时,她只有九岁。

    我推荐 Leonard Shlain 博士的书,他是一名神经外科医生,但写过关于人类文化进化的文章。 这是一篇特别好的讨论女神在古代世界中的角色以及为什么一神教试图消灭它们的文章。 事实证明,天主教实际上在新旧之间取得了很好的平衡:

    https://leonardshlain.com/books/
    https://www.alphabetvsgoddess.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEULWjZ82ZE

  329. @Mevashir

    他们将在巴米扬大佛留下的缝隙中安装3D打印的毛泽东雕像。 塔利班将拒绝并解释说,佛陀实际上是一名穆斯林,并且会同意破坏他的图像。 最后,中国人将放回旧佛的 3D 复制品,使这个地方成为旅游胜地,并承诺永远不会在雕像前跪拜。

  330. @Mevashir

    对不起,我不是伊斯兰教专家。

    我当然是指阿里的妻子法蒂玛(不过,穆罕默德和艾莎的配对也很重要)
    我记得当我得知穆罕默德有好几个妻子、好几个儿子和好几个女儿时,我对什叶派失去了同情。 尽管穆罕默德是“先知的印记”,但最初看起来像是准自然的发展开始看起来像是血线的介绍。 邀请任何穆斯林读者回答以下问题:为什么当穆罕默德是最后一位先知时,法蒂玛、阿里应该很重要……?
    同样令人怀疑的是其余穆罕默德儿童的命运。 这几乎就像法蒂玛的发起人想要让其他所有人消失一样。

    我很清楚伟大的母亲/女神的问题。 单独看起来像是一个合理的提议,我的主要问题是她几乎总是与更险恶的血统、近亲繁殖等问题有关。与宣传相反,母权制与平等无关。

    在我上面列出的讨厌的罗马女性名单中,除了梅萨利娜之外,所有人都是皇帝的母亲,形状像伊西达-荷鲁斯。 只是一个小小的更正,朱莉娅·多姆纳是卡拉卡拉的母亲,她让罗马帝国的每个自由人都成为罗马公民,从而结束了罗马公民的特权,换句话说,合法地让移民涌入罗马。 Julia Domna 的妹妹 Julia Maesa 据说是她的孙子 Heliogabalus 和 Severus Alexander 的皇帝。
    Julias 的父亲是 El-Gabal(巴尔的一种形式)的牧师,他是 Heliogabalus 皇帝的名字赋予者。

  331. In my list of hated Roman women above, except Messalina, all are mothers of emperors, in tandems shaped like Isida-Horus. Just a small correction, Julia Domna was a mother of Caracalla, who made every free person in Imperium Romanum a Roman citizen, thus ending privileges of civis Romanus, in other words, legally flooding Rome with immigrants. The sister of Julia Domna, Julia Maesa, is said to be an emperor- maker in case of Heliogabalus and Severus Alexander, her grandchildren.

    On this day in an ancient Egyptian calendar Tjaru is liberated and the eviction of the Hyksos, quite likely linked to the Exodus, enters the final stages. A scribe from the Hyksos side noted on the verso of the Rhind mathematical that stormy weather (highly unusual) erupted on the birthday of Seth which occurred during this phase.

    The Hyksos are reported in the New Kingdom as having worshipped a form of Seth in a monolatric way and it seems reasonable to look here for the roots of monotheism. In the late period Egyptians identified the god of the Jews with Seth and that both are associated with desert and storm is maybe not coincidence. Manetho in the late period, possibly conflating two strands of history, describes how the evicted would build what we know as Jerusalem.

    In contrast to the women mentioned above, who are echoed today in figures like Merkel and a whole host of females/weak men (led by the noses) opening the doors to barbarians, the era of the Hyksos eviction is marked by two extraordinary women. Queen Ahhotep is mother to Ahmose – the King who evicted the Hyksos after 100 years of oppression. She played a decisive role in the campaign (recorded on surviving stele). The sister and wife of the King, Queen Ahmose Nefertari, was to become the most venerated woman in Ancient Egypt whose titles include “Mother of Egypt” and “Lady of the Resurrection”.

    The difference between Egypt then and the West now is that a significant pocket of resistance to the Hyksos survived in Wasat (modern Luxor) amongst a strongly conservative royal family that never forgot that Egypt was Ta deseret (sacred land).

    The msm did not exist in Ancient Egypt and mind forged manacles are more effective than iron chains. There should be no surprise that the spirit of the chosen rushed to take command of the msm. There is no strong man on the horizon, no saviour like King Ahmose. It is a complete rout, evil seems to have conquered, and that is why the only myth which is in play is that of end times as best I can see.

    Contrary to what some think “end times” predates the bible and there are at least two texts from Ancient Egypt which describe the overthrow of the existing order and one perhaps indicating a new cycle of creation.

  332. gsjackson 说:
    @israel shamir

    If I’m remembering correctly, the Taliban said they would give bin Laden to the U.S. if proof could be provided that he was responsible for 9/11, which the U.S. did not/could not do. As the Taliban probably knew.

  333. @Mevashir

    我认为艾莎是他的妻子而不是女儿。 他们订婚时,她只有九岁。

    Prophet’s (saws) two wives, Aisha the daughter of first Caliph Abu Bakr and Hafsa the daughter of second Caliph Omar, both these two wives in the Holy Quran are called, liars and destined for hell. Read complete chapter 66 of the Holy Quran which only has 12 verses in total.

    The fake Islamic history is full of Aisha singing her own songs. The Jewel of Medina and Satanic Verse are based on these songs of Aisha, praising her own self.

    穆罕默德

  334. 由于埃及人(大部分)更喜欢圣父-圣母-圣子、奥西里斯-伊希斯-荷鲁斯(另一个是 Ptah-Sachmet-Nefertum)三位一体,所以赛特不受欢迎。

    顺便说一句,库布里克《太空漫游》中的星童就是这样一个神圣的孩子,这次不是巨石——一个真正的弥赛亚。 一个笑话和一个预言。

    上帝 - 玛丽 - 耶稣是相同的模式。 因为玛丽来自地球,所以它更像埃及人,在神圣的三合会中,女性有时也是人类,以证明她的儿子法老的半神圣起源。 在类似女王的法老的情况下也进行了尝试,例如,Hatsheputs 将成为 Amon(上帝)和 Ahmes(人类女性)的半神女儿。

    尽管如此,赛特总是充满男子气概(以红色描绘),而荷鲁斯有时则是黄色,这是女性的颜色。 荷鲁斯是早期的双性恋吗……?
    谁知道(好吧,Set 知道,对于那些知道这个故事的人),但同性恋者在古埃及已经被称为同性恋者(快乐的)。

    Kemet 土地的性格似乎更像是女性而不是男性,因此可以理解,埃及人就像一个受虐的妻子,会在耶和华眼中看到一个不守规矩的集合,但这是不对的。 如果有的话,Yahwe 是天父,印欧人的主神,在异端 Echnaton 统治期间,在埃及被称为至高无上的神 Aton,通常被描绘为雌雄同体(另一个双性恋?显然,这种王朝近亲繁殖正在发挥作用) .

  335. 显然,由于女性天性,一些埃及人决定与希克索斯/以色列人一起离开,在沙漠中寻找更绿色的牧场。 所以也许他们毕竟是 Set 的追随者……?

    在 Torah 中,他们被称为麻烦的很多 erev rav,总是抱怨等。用古兰经的话来说,可能是伪君子。

  336. 由于埃及人(大部分)更喜欢圣父-圣母-圣子、奥西里斯-伊希斯-荷鲁斯(另一个是 Ptah-Sachmet-Nefertum)三位一体,所以赛特不受欢迎。

    在埃及历史的大部分时间里,荷鲁斯和赛斯的和解都是以神圣国王的身份寻求的。 女王的绰号是“看到荷鲁斯和赛斯的她”。 直到后期,赛特才成为基督教和伊斯兰教中撒旦的前身。 在此之前,他是约伯记中那个仍然在天庭中的模棱两可的撒旦形象。 在某些方面,撒旦在新约中的堕落是由古埃及赛特的堕落所预见的。

    顺便说一句,库布里克《太空漫游》中的星童就是这样一个神圣的孩子,这次不是巨石——一个真正的弥赛亚。 一个笑话和一个预言。

    重生为星孩是埃及来世的一种存在方式。

    尽管如此,赛特总是充满男子气概(以红色描绘),而荷鲁斯有时则是黄色,这是女性的颜色。 荷鲁斯是早期的双性恋吗……?

    这种坚定的色彩象征有太多的例外。 我最近读过的一篇学术论文总结道:

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    这篇文章讨论了这种方法的问题,既涉及古代选择,也涉及现代解释,结论是,在寻求古埃及艺术中与性有关的颜色使用的象征性动机时,最好注意马克斯的话。普朗克:

    “如果幸运地我们成功解决了一个问题,我们会体验到一种解脱感,并为我们知识的丰富而感到高兴。 但是,经过冗长乏味的努力,发现问题无法解决——或者因为没有无可争辩的解决方法,或者因为冷静地看待它没有意义——一个幻影问题,这是另一回事,而且非常烦人。浪费了我们的劳动和思想。 有很多这样的幻觉问题——在我看来,远比通常假设的要多。”

    死后审判的描述清楚地表明,同性恋行为是一种罪恶,与“同性恋者在古埃及已经被称为同性恋者(快乐的)”的断言难以调和。 我从来没有遇到过这样的文字。 你的消息来源是否也声称圣经中的大卫和乔纳森是快乐的同性恋者?

    Kemet 土地的性格似乎更像是女性而不是男性,因此可以理解,埃及人就像一个受虐的妻子,会在耶和华眼中看到一个不守规矩的集合,但这是不对的。

    以阿图姆形式存在的造物主被描述为包含男性和女性属性的伟大的他-她,当合一成为众生时,这些属性将随着创造展开成一个差异化的宇宙而显现出来。 话虽如此,据我所知,阿图姆总是被描绘成男性(但见下文)。

    埃及人缺乏 ANE 其余部分甚至更晚的希腊/罗马世界所特有的残暴,但他们也不是嬉皮士。 在狗吃狗的世界中,古埃及成为第一个伟大的民族国家,并存活了数千年。 甚至在它的历史后期,当地中海的所有其他伟大文明都在面对海人入侵(迎来第一个伟大的黑暗时代)时崩溃时,只有在拉美西斯三世统治下的埃及才摧毁了他们,即那些你描述为女性的人鞭打你的男子气概国家的征服者。 哦,西方是由这样的女性统治者领导的,他们驱逐了希克索斯,击败了海洋民族,创造了如此持久的文明!

    主要情节是赛斯带来了变成死亡的礼物。 我相信他是已知最早的骗子之神的显现。 你会记得以色列人的哭声,他们觉得自己被引诱到沙漠中,他们想要回到埃及,与塞提亚的礼物平行,尽管圣经文本试图通过鹌鹑和吗哪来缓解。 金牛犊在古埃及文本中为人所知,是荷鲁斯国王的一种形式,即合法的君主制,在神话中受到与沙漠特别相关的赛斯的争议。 在这种情况下,出埃及记成为荷鲁斯和赛斯争端的另一种形式,导致许多选择荷鲁斯,合法统治者的人死亡。

    如果有的话,Yahwe 是天父,印欧人的主神,在异端 Echnaton 统治期间,在埃及被称为至高无上的神 Aton,通常被描绘为雌雄同体(另一个双性人?

    正如你所描述的,阿赫纳顿国王最有可能通过与造物主的认同(见上面的伟大的他-她),即尼罗河之神哈皮(Hapi),他的恩惠养活了埃及,而它的采购与国王密切相关。 也可能有 Shu 和 Tefnut 的同化。 古埃及人似乎对神圣领域的互补性感到满意。

    当耶和华第一次出现在古埃及时,他有一个神圣的配偶。 Elephantine 的犹太人似乎在耶路撒冷享有良好的声誉,他们同时崇拜两者。

    一些埃及人决定与希克索斯/以色列人一起离开,显然是为了在沙漠中寻找更绿的牧场。 所以也许他们毕竟是 Set 的追随者……?

    我不知道有多少人会属于这样的类别。 希克索斯人统治了 100 多年,所以几代人长大后只会知道这些渗透者在他们的坟墓前牺牲了埃及女孩。 如前所述,希克索斯人被描述为只崇拜一个神,一种赛特的形式,这不是埃及的方式,但确实与后来出现的一神教相呼应。

  337. @Jack McArthur

    是的,《死亡之书》谴责同性恋,但通俗的纸莎草纸表明男性(hemti tchai)和女性同性恋妓女(tchai hemut)确实存在。
    我的消息来源声称成人与成人的性交实际上在道德上是中立的(对儿童而言并非如此)。

    尽管埃及人普遍崇拜阴茎,但他们的男子气概是值得商榷的。 的确,他们驱逐了希克索斯,打败了海族,但要驱逐希克索斯,首先必须让那些希克索斯进来。 至于海族,嗯,打了这么多仗,估计早就累了。 我只是很好奇他们被切断的阴茎发生了什么,呈现给拉美西斯,如麦地那哈布所描绘的那样。 他们被吃了? 烧了? 埋没?
    除了海人之外,几乎所有渴望这一点的人都征服了埃及:波斯人、阿拉伯人、罗马人、希腊人(亚历山大大帝),而埃及有时几乎无法控制巴勒斯坦。

    即使埃及是一个比阿兹特克人更好的文明,对于下层阶级来说,那里也有一种令人窒息的停滞感,所以他们可能不是非常忠诚的士兵,因为他们是来自努比亚或撒丁岛(Shardans)的农民或雇佣兵。 它显然是一个等级制('hieratic')国家,具有非常垂直的组织。 埃及的一个问题是它没有战斗的社会阶级,也没有战斗的精神。在罗马,成为一名士兵往往会带来社会进步,但在埃及则不然。

    我不会说造物主既是他又是她,只是说繁衍行为(Geb 可以对自己进行)是创造的基础。 在埃及,生育行为不需要女性和男性配对。
    就个人而言,我仍然更喜欢希腊或罗马。

    第一次听说希克索斯是活人祭祀的信徒,女性也是(不寻常的,因为在迦太基,男孩通常被献祭给巴尔,作为完全奉献的象征)。

    金牛犊显然是腓尼基人的巴尔,在埃及是奥西里斯,在希腊是狄奥尼修斯。 有趣的是,罗马人不喜欢埃及,也不喜欢 Bacchanalia。 但是金色雕像,即使是神像,在埃及 AFAIK 并不流行。

  338. True story. In early 90’s at the airport I watched a business man turning red with rage as he remonstrated with a lady from the airline because his seat was already taken (in those days airlines regularly overbooked business class on the basis that an average x% would cancel/rearrange flights).

    I felt sorry for the woman because it was not her fault and the man was obnoxious so when she came to me I explained that I had a meeting arranged in Tokyo for the next morning and if she could find me any place, e.g. back of the plane economy, then I would be very appreciative. I never saw the hotheaded man again and assumed that all his angry talk had got him nowhere. When the lady returned she handed me a first class ticket so I travelled to Japan in unaccustomed style.

    There is a passage in the Instruction of Ptahhotep that most(?) scholars date to the pyramid age in which the one who spouts evil speech to a child of Kemit will be left boatless by the gods when leaving this life and that is my thought for the day.

  339. 如果Set是Jahwe,那么谁会是Satan……?!

    这是 Set = Jahwe 理论的一个重大问题,因为神之间的结构关系通常会保留下来,即使他们的名字改变了。

  340. 今天很多人可能对今天的古埃及有一些错误的想法。 由于有许多寺庙,他们可能认为埃及人是非常有灵性的人,就像今天在西方看到的佛教徒一样。 但正如纸莎草纸所揭示的那样,埃及人是非常唯物主义、脚踏实地的人,许多宗教仪式都是字面上的,就像女人向公牛阿皮斯展示自己的屁股一样。

    从某种意义上说,你可以说埃及宗教表达了创世记第一章:“要生养众多”。

    关于主人和仆人的福音故事也可能最初来自埃及,因为大地主(故事的背景)在耶稣时代(无论他是谁)对犹太来说并不典型。

    埃及是一个神权政治,可能类似于昨天的西藏,而埃及农民可能就像西藏农民一样——不识字的魔法和咒语的信徒。 Echnaton 改革并没有立即引起任何反抗的事实表明,普通埃及人也并没有真正进入神学。

  341. 是的,《死亡之书》谴责同性恋,但通俗的纸莎草纸表明男性(hemti tchai)和女性同性恋妓女(tchai hemut)确实存在。
    我的消息来源声称成人与成人的性交实际上在道德上是中立的(对儿童而言并非如此)。

    The Egyptian title of the work is “The Book of Going Forth into the Day” or close variant. That sin happens in every community does not make the sin ok. I have read practising homosexuals, who cannot admit they are less than perfect, spin the bible to say the same. The woke brigade that rules academia are present in Egyptology and perhaps it is no coincidence that a well known Egyptologist today who has written a fully woke anti-Egytpian history is also a practising homosexual?

    The manliness of Egyptians, despite their widespread veneration of phallus, is discutable.

    The erect penis in iconography is an exaltation and divination of potent fertile masculinity. Remember they were evicted from the Garden of Osiris because of your behaviour and as a result nakedness instead of being a state of innocence becomes porn/evil east of the gate.

    It is true they expelled Hyksos and defeated Sea Peoples, but in order to expell Hyksos, those Hyksos had to be let in in the first place.

    There was a tradition from ancient times that those suffering from drought and famine in Palestine were allowed to graze in the delta area (cf. Breasted ancient records). The Hyksos bit the hand that fed them and by stealth and without a battle took over the host. Does this remind you of anything in the modern world?

    As for Sea People, well, they were probably tired already after all that plundering.

    Mean spirited.

    除了海人之外,几乎所有渴望这一点的人都征服了埃及:波斯人、阿拉伯人、罗马人、希腊人(亚历山大大帝),而埃及有时几乎无法控制巴勒斯坦。

    All this happens in the last millennium and important markers have survived (providentially?) for us to note today. Breasted wrote the decline begins when the high priest of Amun portraying himself on a level with the King. Egypt was founded on divine monarchy and when that goes so does Egypt. The King who saved Egypt from the Sea Peoples was murdered by evil people within the palace and this signalled the fall indicating that the sacred land was destroyed from within just like the West today.

    Even if Egypt was a nicer civilization than Aztecs, there was a suffocating sense of stagnation there for lower classes, so maybe they weren’t very devoted soldiers, as they were peasants or mercenaries from Nubia or Sardinia (Shardans). It was clearly a hierarchic (‘hieratic’) country, with a very vertical organization. It was a problem of Egypt that it had no fighting social class nor fighting ethos.. In Rome, becoming a soldier often lead to social advance, but not in

    Why pick out Aztecs when they appear many thousands of years after Kemit becomes a nation state other than you think Azects= very bad and have pyramid like constructions so lets place them in a similar league ?. You speculate about what the ordinary people thought but we can read this from thousands of years before you were born:

    “And since the kings followed so righteous a course in dealing with their subjects, the people manifested a goodwill towards their rulers which surpassed even the affection they had for their own kinsmen; for not only the order of the priests but, in short, all the inhabitants of Egypt were less concerned for their wives and children and their other cherished possessions than for the safety of their kings”. Diodorus Siculus

    I wouldn’t say Creator is both He-She,

    No you wouldn’t but that is not the issue.

    just that an act of procreation (which Geb can do with himself) is fundamental to creation.

    You are mixed up with names and acts. Egypt is incarnational and the whole of creation is filled with divine meaning and symbolism.

    .First heard that Hyksos were devotees of human sacrifice, and female ones too (unusual, as usually male children were sacrificed to Baal in Carthage, as a token of full devotion).

    Human sacrifice was present with the Hebrews. Jepthah sacrifices his daughter through the “Holy Spirit” descending on him. King Ahmose stopped human sacrifice when he retook Heliopolis from the Hyksos. Abraham rushing to sacrifice Isaac at the command of Yahweh is in contrast to the Ancient Egyptian ancestor text in which an “Abraham” affirms the sanctity of human life. The so called “blood libel” which was confirmed in recent years by a Jewish scholar appears to a have a long history.

    The golden calf was obviously Phoenician Baal, which in Egypt would be Osiris, and in Greece – Dionisios.

    So at least a thousand years before the Phoenicians existed the Ancient Egyptians somehow saw into the future and copied them? I do not think so.

    But golden statues, even of gods, were not popular in Egypt AFAIK.

    The earliest evidence from what scholars take as being the formation of the nation state includes a golden Horus. Here is one of Amun from the New Kingdom.
    https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/544874

    If Set were to be Jahwe, who would be Satan then…?! This is a significant problem with the theory Set = Jahwe, since structural relationships among gods are usually preserved, even if their names change.

    No. David in the bible does not know at times if it is Satan or Yahweh who is inspiring him. Jesus tells the Jews their father is the devil. The bible represents the conflation of different pov’s.

    A lot of people today may have a bit false ideas of ancient Egypt today.

    Based on the above, so do you.

    Due to its many temples, they may think that Egyptians were very spiritual people, kind of Buddhists as Buddhists are seen today in the West.

    Herodotus wrote in the 5th century bc (long after the peak of Egyptian civilization) that the Egyptians “were the most religious of all peoples” but they are not nihilistic and they are creationists i.e the material world and body are not evil albeit they reach their perfection in the next.

  342. Mention is made earlier in the above comments regarding bovine coloring i.e. red or yellow. In Ancient Egyptian texts the color is red and the gender is male i.e. an ox. It is slaughtered as being a form of Seth (1550, rof p.234). Before this the King stands atop the ox which imo recalls the myth that rightful Kingship belongs to Horus and Seth is made to carry Osiris (the King in the other world) because of what he did to him in this world.

    The other principle animal associated with Seth is the ass (possibly because of its recalcitrant behaviour) and the Hyksos were buried with theirs. An Egyptian would likely have recognised Jesus in the gospels being carried by an ass into Jerusalem (Matt 21:7), with the crowd acknowledging his kingship, as Seth carrying Horus-Osiris (the gospels seem to fuse two dimensions i.e. this world and the next) with the Davidic Kingship paralleling the Egyptian.

    I wonder if the ancient charge that Jews worshipped the ass goes back much further than many think (i.e. to the Hyksos and their worship of Seth) and is seeded by much older Egyptian Sethian associations.
    https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2027-ass-worship

  343. 著名的文-阿蒙纸莎草纸证明腓尼基人在希克索斯时代就已存在。 否则是一个明显的错误,企图再次隐藏腓尼基人。 顺便说一句,Wen-Amun 是一位相当沮丧,不是很有男子气概的埃及神父,他的使命是为 Amun 购买雪松木材; 这个故事值得一读。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Wenamun

    事实上,有一种可信的,即使无法证明的理论,即是腓尼基人设计了海上人风暴,以摧毁他们的竞争对手(乌加里特)、他们的直接威胁(哈蒂)并抨击他们的主要客户埃及,因为他们没有足够的依赖在他们身上,而是在乌加里特。 该理论指出,海人只剩下腓尼基一个人。

    https://phoenician.org/sea_peoples/

    腓尼基人是对 JQ 部分的回答,即 Sephardi 犹太人问题。 迪斯雷利通过他的一个角色 Sidonia(关于 Sidon 的戏剧)的名字、大屠杀中相对缺乏 Sephardim 以及目前对安达卢斯(Al-Andalus)的痴迷,因为犹太人的天堂已经消失,暗示存在这样一个问题。
    正如诗篇 87 所暗示的那样,腓尼基人和埃及人实际上也站在同一边,显然不是关于雅威,赞美锡安山(它不是耶路撒冷的同义词,而是黎巴嫩的一座山)、巴比伦、埃及、推罗和库什。 他们都是前亚当人,而真正的犹太人是亚当人,正如创世记中男人的双重创造问题以及蛇和女人的两个种子的概念所暗示的那样。
    如果不了解这个广泛的背景,就无法辨别圣经中的“主”何时指 Jahwe,何时指的是撒旦/Marduk/Baal。
    有一些迹象表明大卫教分支来自后者,尤其是对于 Jahwe 对他的后代无条件的恩典承诺非常不典型。 大卫的父亲耶西来自以法莲支派,他有一半埃及血统。 以法莲支派在遭到先知的猛烈抨击后,被从拔摩启示录圣约翰的得救名单中删除(约翰福音传道者和拔摩约翰显然不是同一个人)。
    弥赛亚如何来自以法莲是没有意义的,但以法莲并未在最后时刻得救。 这个问题对每一个“大卫式”弥赛亚都是有效的,而不仅仅是耶稣。

    我在以下文章的评论中广泛讨论了腓尼基人/犹太人的问题:

    https://www.unz.com/article/sir-richard-francis-burton-explorer-linguist-race-realist/

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  344. @Another Polish Perspective

    著名的文-阿蒙纸莎草纸证明腓尼基人在希克索斯时代就已存在。 否则是一个明显的错误,企图再次隐藏腓尼基人。 顺便说一句,Wen-Amun 是一个相当沮丧,不是很有男子气概的埃及神父,他的使命是为 Amun 购买雪松木材; 这个故事值得一读。

    我们的谈话可能是有目的的。 澄清一下,我们并没有声称任何关于希克索斯和腓尼基人的事情,而是金牛犊出现在埃及文本中很久之前,学者们确定腓尼基人的年代,因此他们不能成为埃及材料的来源。 顺便说一句,你提到的纸莎草纸甚至更晚,而且是在我上面提到的埃及进入长期衰落的时代。

    你似乎对女性特征和埃及有所了解。 完全正确的是,它缺乏父权社会可能倾向于的超级男性气质,但它也不是母系社会。 最接近的相关比较是改革前的基督教及其今天在 RCC 和东正教教堂中的幸存者(承认后者的胡须)。 我已经很久没有读过它了,但我似乎记得荣格在同一问题的背景下对前者和与假设相关的教条写了积极的评论。 与 Maat 相关的埃及概念之一是平衡,父权制与母权制不会被视为一种或其他选择。

    I had a quick glance at the link you give and the comments and saw the issue of fish symbolism and Christianity is raised. I think this may be another example were Jesus knows things about Egypt that affirms his divine nature e.g. there are many surviving papyri showing the deceased undergoing the mummification ritual but I have only encountered one in which the deceased is a man sized fish! This seems incredibly strange if the person doesn’t realise the symbolism i.e. the hieroglyph for “body” (khat) is a fish.

  345. @Jack McArthur

    如果你想证明犹太人/希克索斯与腓尼基无关,但一切都与埃及有关,那么我认为你的观点没有实际意义,至少从我的角度来看。 我引用了诗篇 87 来传达埃及人和腓尼基人是一个家庭的一部分,可以这么说,他们的神也是如此,只是名称不同。

    关于鱼和基督教——它可能是指埃及,但也可能是指腓尼基,以及所罗门作为支付圣殿费用的一部分给提尔的加利利。

    由于腓尼基众神在 Med 周围的传播比埃及的多,我认为它更可能是腓尼基鱼而不是埃及鱼,即使这种鱼最常被描述为希腊鱼。 此外,众所周知,腓尼基人在亚历山大港前面的岛屿上有一个殖民地,他们可能后来变成了犹太人。

  346. @Jack McArthur

    至于埃及人的男子气概...... 好吧,藏人有没有男子气概……? 一方面,他们是“灵性的”,另一方面,我们一次又一次地听到西藏佛教大师的西方“后宫”。
    而且,藏族人建造了像塔一样的修道院…… 我认为他们的文明比阿兹特克人更接近埃及,是的。

    我并不一定将男子气概指的是一种身体素质,而是指一种正直和自尊的感觉。 读文-阿蒙的故事时,我被他卑躬屈膝的方式震惊了(例如,试图说服腓尼基人给他雪松木以换取阿蒙的祝福),而是说,面对他本来的倒霉,放弃使命返回埃及。 它有一种奴隶的态度,一个害怕主人的奴隶(这里是埃及的大祭司 Hierhor),或者可能已经学会了害怕主人,让我想起尼采关于奴隶道德与牧师的联系.

    巫术和咒语在埃及的流行表明埃及人不惜一切代价(或手段)试图按照自己的方式行事,有点像文阿蒙。 一个等级森严的社会,每个人都试图在其他人之上占上风。 听起来像是女性的特征吗……? 是的,它确实。

  347. @Another Polish Perspective

    人们当然可以说文阿蒙也“完全致力于他的任务”,但对于一个人来说,这是一种完全值得称赞的奉献精神,对于其他人来说则是奴隶制。 旧神的信徒有时称自己为神的奴隶,这并非没有道理。

  348. The point we were making about the Golden Calf, based directly on Ancient Egyptian texts from around 4,500 years ago, is something you do not want hear so we will leave it at that?

    Since Phoenician gods spread more around Med than Egyptian ones, I think it is more probably Phoenician fish than Egyptian fish, even if this fish will be most often described as Hellenistic fish.

    When Jesus refers to fishers of men in Matt 4:19 he is repeating a Middle Kingdom phrase from Ancient Egypt “fishermen of men”. Another refers to “fishers of Osiris” however, the traditional Christian interpretation of the passage is not Egyptian.

    One could of course say that Wen-Amun was ‘totally devoted to his task’ as well, but what for one will be a total, praiseworthy devotion, for other will be slavery. And not without reason believers of old gods sometimes called themselves simply god’s slaves.

    Here are numerous biblical links to being a slave of god.
    https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Slaves-Of-God

    A web search will give you many links to Islam and being slave of god.

    The oldest such reference I know is from Ancient Egypt in which a word for priest (Hm MdC) also means “Servant, Devotee, Slave”.

  349. Perhaps my final comments on the weakness that “Another Polish Perspective” attributes to Ancient Egyptians. Jesus picked the most timid to be his disciples who all ran away when the Jews came to kill him. Indeed the only one whom He would in all foresight bestow all the promises unconditionally regarding the forgiveness of sins would betray him thrice .

    In the beatitudes Jesus exalts the lowly and the meek. Was this revolutionary? No. Long before this a divine King of Egypt declares “The Ruler loves the timorous more than the stout of heart”(Assman, p. 155). Recall how Jesus wept at the death of His friend Lazarus and note that many centuries before his appearance in this world a scribe in Ancient Egypt would record a hymn to the Creator “Homage to Thee, Ra! Supreme power, the timid one sheds tears, His form is that of the afflicted”.

  350. @Jack McArthur

    如果你试图通过将 Kemet 的价值观呈现为基督教的真正价值观来捍卫它们,那么你就向尼采的“道德谱系”观点的标准批评家敞开心扉,所有这些都是关于被动攻击、狡猾、诙谐的牧师否认事物的自然秩序。

    尽管如此,您可能很可能相信基督教是奥西里斯的地下邪教,所以也许这与您无关,但只是向您提出这个问题。

    如今,许多人在简单地阅读基督教义中的“温柔”时遇到问题; 而这一切与先知穆罕默德更为直接的教导形成鲜明对比!

  351. 好的,我想明白了。

    如果 Set = Jahwe,则 Osiris = Jesus

    这里的基本结构是摩尼教,加上伊希斯=圣灵。

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  352. 我不确定你的意思,即基督教价值观是真实的,但不是古埃及的任何价值观? 你提到的牧师不按自然行事是指独身和我提到埃及的牧师吗? 如果是这样的话,任何独身时期都不是永久性的,而只是在他们每次持续大约 4 周的寺庙义务轮班期间。 作为一个有趣的旁白,首席祭司以国王的身份行事,今天在一些教会中,神父以基督的身份行事。

    迟到你早先提到诗篇 87。我知道最早提到上帝之城(l514,cf. 183BD)是在公元前 3 千年的古埃及。 它是天城,也被称为爱之城(meret,Nebseni)。 根据 NK 埃及文本,所有民族在来到 Re 之前接受审判时都有机会来世(没有提到他们必须以埃及的方式敬拜)而 PS 87 更加排他性,可能是那些支持摧毁基督教和西方,即 NWO 以耶路撒冷为中心?

  353. @Another Polish Perspective

    如果 Set = Jahwe,则 Osiris = Jesus

    这里的基本结构是摩尼教,加上伊希斯=圣灵。

    The King in this world is Horus. When he dies and then rises he is Osiris. Ancient Egypt was not dualistic like Manichaeism though in the late period (when Seth becomes almost a full time outcast) it is not far from it as with Christianity and Islam – see my earlier comments re integrating Seth which was the norm during the zenith of Pharaonic rule.

    光明与黑暗确实具有象征意义(就像在新约中那样),但在严格极化的二元宇宙中却没有。 伊希斯在整个希腊罗马世界受到广泛崇拜。 我听说所有著名的希腊人都将他们的智慧追溯到埃及,所以也许有一些想法被采纳并以扭曲的形式出现在其他地方,例如光明与黑暗。

    摩西学了埃及人一切的智慧,他的言行都大有能力(使徒行传 7:22)。

    I do not think Christianity is an underground version of Egyptian spirituality instead I see the River Nile watering Palestine whose River Jordan ends in the lake of death and the lowest point on the surface of the earth. When Jesus stands in the River Jordan he baptises it into life. When he says “Before Abraham was, I AM” I believe him. The Jews lost eternal life east of Eden, east of the Nile Valley, and Jesus gave them it back.

    埃及人似乎很高兴对神圣领域有互补的看法,并且在很大程度上不受严格的神学哲学希腊风格的思维方式的影响,尽管他们是原型的来源。

  354. @Jack McArthur

    诗篇 87 的重要之处在于它没有提到耶路撒冷或犹太人,而是再次提到锡安和锡安。 不过,它赞扬了他们的叛徒敌人:埃及人、巴比伦人、非利士人(这里没有任何改变,巴勒斯坦人 = 非利士人)。 “领主”喜欢他们胜过“雅各布的帐篷”。我想说,这里受到如此称赞的“领主”不是 Jahwe(当然,除非“领主”是精神分裂症患者)。 但你是对的,今天的世界被诗篇 87 中被称为“犹太人”的杂乱无章所统治。 从卢浮宫到臭名昭著的波兰犹太人博物馆“波林”,金字塔,而不是烛台(古老的犹太象征)比比皆是,
    https://polin.pl/pl/budynek-muzeum

    任务 1:在建筑物中找到金字塔
    任务 2:找到一艘船(不是很犹太的象征,嗯)

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    可能诗篇 87 中的人是那些被启示录命名为“自称是犹太人但不是犹太人的人”。 然而,虽然“谁是犹太人”的问题是一个非常有争议的问题,但答案似乎是由遗传决定的,正如托拉广泛禁止通婚所暗示的那样。 诗篇 87 据说是由可拉的一些儿子写的…… 但我们知道可拉发生了什么事。 他被Jahwe淘汰了。 我们也知道,圣经中的“邪恶”往往世代相传; 在Jahwe眼中,可拉的一代也会是坏人..:?

    我指的是尼采关于他的“道德谱系”的论文,即自然的贵族美德秩序,可以说,人们只是对他们自己的法律,被一种由提升温顺的牧师所调解的价值秩序所取代(尼采称之为“奴隶道德”) ) 贵族的大胆等等。所以独身不是一个主要问题,更多的是像人一样的神被奴隶道德所取代。 我也把它读成对中间人(牧师)的抱怨,他们将人们与价值的直接存在隔绝开来(一种海德格尔式的主题)。

    将诗篇 87 和“道德谱系”有趣地联系起来的是,前者的作者,科拉的一些儿子,属于利未的祭司部落。 我确实觉得有趣的是,Levi 和 Kohen 实际上只是幸存下来的古代以色列人的两个姓氏,尽管所有牺牲都停止了(所以他们存在的理由)

    我不排除一些假犹太人欺骗真正的犹太人以改变位置,将所有真正的犹太人变成罪人(使他们成为犹太复国主义者)等,并以这种方式通过证明他的生物的不完美来报复 Jahwe。 坦率地说,即使是大卫王有时也会以与以色列人的最大利益相悖的方式行事,例如,在通过计算以色列人来激怒 Jahwe 之后,他选择了这样一种惩罚,这将是他的臣民(但不是他)最痛苦的:瘟疫,这需要 70000 犹太人。 如果您愿意,您可以在这里完整地了解“圣王”的概念:因为“圣王”(大卫)的罪行使他的国家付出了代价; 这也让我们想起了中世纪国王的两个身体的理论,其中一个身体就是他的子民。
    从某种意义上说,大卫表现得好像以色列人是他的敌人,以他的无能来对付他们,从而激怒了亚威。 好吧,大卫竖琴是一个轻微的迹象,表明他也可能是该隐人。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_Two_Bodies

    很明显,圣经中有两种主体(没有像科拉赫这样的恶人):1)那些以自己的行为来判断,行事必须非常小心的(例如摩西),以及那些“受到主的爱”并且可以一次又一次地犯罪,对他们没有重大影响(大卫)。

    好吧,如果犹太人没有遗传成分,那么 erev rav 的整个概念就没有多大意义。 因为,否则,谁会是假犹太人……?!

    我同意你的看法,我们必须消灭犹太人,但他们中的哪一个:真犹太人、假犹太人还是两者兼而有之……?

  355. @Another Polish Perspective

    嗯,这里是臭名昭著的柏林大屠杀博物馆大楼。 它显然是一条蛇,即使官方 pilpul 声称“可见的锯齿线和不可见的直线”。

    https://www.jmberlin.de/en/libeskind-building

    大屠杀塔看起来像路西法的地下(或者只是一些古老的神秘建筑,通常随着光的到来而结束),只有一条光。

    难道假犹太人不会声称大屠杀(奇怪的是,这个名字的选择意思是“牺牲”......好吧,对谁?)是对路西法的庆祝......?

    将大屠杀解释为“邪恶之谜”的解释线可能比我们想象的要隐藏得更多。

  356. 犹太人经常使用“我们祖先的上帝”这个词,强调犹太教的遗传/生物元素。
    但埃及人和巴比伦人也可以说,他们也强调生物遗产。
    事实上,表达“上帝和我们祖先的上帝”也存在,暗示两个神,因为添加“和”并没有真正意义,除非你曾经是一个皈依者并且想要同时召唤Jahwe和你的前任上帝。
    我想“假犹太人”会这么说(上帝和我们祖先的上帝)

  357. 以色列,
    I have to say this this is the first time I have seen the “kike” come out in you. Prince Andrew and the rest of the zionized, perverted, buggering scum should be executed, drawn, quartered, and, a fourth of their body placed in each quarter of Britain.
    The Brits since the inbred grandchildren of queen Victoria have brought nothing but misery and destruction to Europe.
    愿他们在地狱中腐烂。

  358. 但埃及人和巴比伦人也可以说,他们也强调生物遗产。

    Not in the sense I think you mean. Egypt was never tribal like the Jews. If you lived in the Egyptian way then you were Egyptian. There was an hereditary tendency in occupation e.g. father to son but there was nothing especially unusual in that.

    我同意你的看法,我们必须消灭犹太人,但他们中的哪一个:真犹太人、假犹太人还是两者兼而有之……?

    No objection to tribal people living in their own land according to their own ways even if I think it is not the best spiritual way. They should not be allowed to undermine pluralistic societies because they will bring about it’s ruin. Jewish Christians also seems oxymoronic as Christianity was never tribal.

    There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

    What you write can be misconstrued. No physical harm would I will on any Jew.

  359. Adam D. 说:
    @Malla

    I think the idea that Pakistan is able to convince and control the Americans is fanciful. It was a happy coalescing of interests which required interest and investment from both the US and Pakistan, the Americans like to play dumb as if they consistently get duped by Pakistan…yea right for over 50 years now, they have a deep understanding with Pakistan to this day.

  360. 美国和巴基斯坦同属一个党,五角星党,或五角星党(见他们的旗帜)。 这个政党不是现代意义上的国家政党,尽管该政党具有遗传成分,可以这么说。 在实现更大目标的过程中,党员之间的任何明显差异都是战术上的。

  361. 埃及从来不像犹太人那样是部落的,因为只有埃及的精英才是部落的,至少埃及不同的权力中心记录了这一点,永远争吵不休,例如孟菲斯 vs 提比斯(有趣的是提比斯作为城市的名字也存在于希腊,嗯,也许你知道是否有连接)。 埃及王朝通常以这些地方之一为中心。
    埃及和巴比伦都是 90/10 社会,非常接近今天的 80/20 社会。 90-80 并不是真正的状态,这可能不是埃及军队最高士气的表现。
    由于我们目前正在观看最新版本的弥赛亚故事——这次是《沙丘》再次搬上荧幕,值得一提的是沙丘的世界同样是 90/10,阿特雷德斯公爵扮演一个神圣的国王(每个人都忠诚于给他,嗯)。 帝国的“神圣王子”由一些王子(皇帝)管理,但更多的是由商人的公会/汉萨管理,即腓尼基人。

    回到埃及,这里是波兰电影/小说(Boleslaw Prus)的剪辑,“法老”; 主要情节是年轻的王子/法老无法在牧师和商人面前占上风。 在这里,一位牧师在途中因圣甲虫(“神”)而转移了整个军队。 顺便说一句,这部电影是在喀萨克斯坦拍摄的,你看到苏联士兵打扮成埃及士兵,这让我们想起沙皇/苏共第一书记是一种神圣的国王。

  362. 抱歉,我只找到了这个剪辑,带有不必要的技术评论,并且场景没有显示电影中真正的圣甲虫。 顺便说一句,我犯了一个错误,这部电影是在乌兹别克斯坦(苏联乌兹别克共和国)拍摄的。
    但你可能会感觉到。

    哦,我找到了完整的俄语配音版本,请观看大约 22 分钟:

  363. 大约 1 点 31 分,王子看到一排篮子,上面有利比亚人的断手,这些篮子是根据埃及艺术的规则组成的(许多其他场景也是如此)。

    犹太/希克索斯元素通过典型的犹太“以斯帖”动机出现,法老的犹太情人将生下一个儿子,后来被称为摩西(至少根据某些传统,他最初是一名埃及牧师)。
    那么人们可以提出一个有趣的问题:当时摩西是弥赛亚的原型吗……?

  364. To repeat, Egypt was never tribal like the Jews. Many texts allude to this. There are very strong parallels to early Christianity, the Body of Christ, the seamless robe and unity. I have no interest in what movieland thinks about Ancient Egypt. That you have to resort to such as your source indicates a level of hostility …. so no more from me.

  365. 这部电影是为银幕而创作的对埃及的最佳描绘之一(令人惊讶的是,很少有以埃及为背景的电影),它关注埃及社会的基本问题——祭司与活神法老荷鲁斯之间的关系。 在我看来,这是 Echnaton、Exodus 和 Esther 故事中动机的完美结合。

    好吧,埃及没有类似于希伯来人的“部落”概念。 但要说埃及是“包容性的”就有点牵强了。 许多其他人在征服埃及后定居在那里这一事实不算数; 他们总是建立自己的定居点。
    Wen-Amun 的故事以及“Sinukhet 历险记”证明埃及人在国外的感觉并不好,我们也没有听说有任何重要的埃及侨民。 我们缺乏成功的外国人成为埃及人然后被埃及纸莎草纸称赞的故事。

    圣保罗的基督教与古埃及宗教有很多相似之处(所有这些都在谈论“新生活”、“真实生活”等),旧约中以锡安为导向的经文(雅歌)也有一些相似之处。 但早期的犹太教,或死海古卷所记载的原始基督教,与此完全不同。 然而,如果你认为真正的基督教是诺斯替的,你可能是对的,因为当然在埃及发现了 Nag Hammadi 诺斯替图书馆。

    然而,任何对 Osiris/Horus/Isis 抱有信仰的人都应该意识到,埃及宗教的基本承诺——你地球上的永生——伴随着 19 世纪木乃伊的烟雾被作为燃料燃烧(是的,有这样一个野蛮),木乃伊被抢劫和脱衣服等。可以这么说,希望被烧毁和熄灭。

    这就是事实,事实会是敌对的吗……?

  366. 附带说明一下,昨天我去了一场音乐会,演奏了杰夫特女儿故事的一些变奏,由一些巴洛克作曲家作曲家演奏。

    这让我意识到这个故事在音乐中是多么受欢迎,毕竟是成功的人类牺牲的故事,而亚伯拉罕和以撒的失败的人类牺牲的故事在作曲家(以及他们的客户,我认为)中非常不受欢迎。 然而杰夫特是一个小法官,而亚伯拉罕是一个创始族长。 这种对人祭的吸引力很奇怪,不是吗?

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