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早在 2019 年,我就回顾了 Wilfred Reilly 的书 仇恨犯罪骗局:左派如何出售虚假的种族战争。 Reilly 是一名半黑人红脖子大学教授,在法兰克福的肯塔基州立大学任教。

这些是凶杀案的受害者,而不是凶杀案的肇事者,但两者之间的相关性通常很高。

肯塔基州的大型中央地铁是路易斯维尔,这是一个相当火爆的小镇。 肯塔基黑人随着城市化程度的降低而很快安定下来,在农村非核心(Nonmetro)类别中,他们的凶杀死亡率仅为肯塔基白人的 1.6 倍。

Reilly 提供了一个有趣的观点:

那么,国足是什么?

 

因此,黑人与白人的凶杀死亡率随着每一种密度较低的地方而下降,从大型中央地铁的 9.2 倍下降到非核心 (Nonmetros) 的 4.3 倍。 农村地区的黑人粗略凶杀死亡率(每 14.3 人中有 100,000 人)仅为大城市(28.5 人)的一半。

相比之下,白人在大城市郊区(大边缘地铁)死于凶杀的可能性最小,但除此之外,他们的凶杀粗略率非常相似(例如,大型中央地铁为 3.1,非核心(非地铁)为 3.3)。

但全国的凶杀率并不像肯塔基州那样相似。

(我在全国范围内使用非西班牙裔,但为了节省时间,我没有为肯塔基州的数字指定非西班牙裔,我认为这在肯塔基州会有很大的不同。)

在全国范围内,如果我的算术正确,这表明如果黑人在城市化中的分布比例与白人相同,那么黑人与白人的凶杀率将从 10 下降 8.0% 到 7.2,这不是微不足道的但也不大。

 
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  1. 那么全国范围内的“黑块”?

  2. Is the drug trade more likely to be associated with blacks in urban areas and whites in rural areas?

    • 回复: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @乔治

    Possibly, particularly when talking about drug labs.

  3. if blacks were distributed in the same proportions of urbanization as whites, that the black to white homicide ratio would fall by 10% from 8.0 to 7.2, which isn’t trivial but not huge either.

    Yeah, probably. “isn’t trivial but not huge either.” is a very good way of saying it.

    • 同意: Bardon Kaldian
    • 回复: @James Speaks
    @吉姆丹迪

    I think this shows the 战斗或逃跑 mechanism at work. In a rural setting, negro on negro antagonism (NONA), the precursor to negro on negro violence (NONV), is much less than in an urban setting due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF). Basically, your average rural negro (ARN) has to walk farther to locate another ARN to engage in mutual antagonism. Hence, the lower rate of negro on negro projectile activity (NONPA).

    Hope this helps. (HTH)

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JimDandy

  4. 在全国范围内,如果我的算术正确,这表明如果黑人在城市化中的分布比例与白人相同,那么黑人与白人的凶杀率将从 10 下降 8.0% 到 7.2,这不是微不足道的但也不大。

    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!

    • 同意: AnotherDad, Adam Smith, fish
    • 回复: @AnotherDad
    @巴兹·莫霍克(Buzz Mohawk)


    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!
     
    Unfortunately, Biden's opened it up to foreign vibrants as well--by the millions.

    回复:@Reg Cæsar,@Polistra

    , @Polistra
    @巴兹·莫霍克(Buzz Mohawk)


    这些是凶杀案的受害者,而不是凶杀案的肇事者,但两者之间的相关性通常很高。
     
    Of course we're not permitted to discuss perpetrators per se, but the extreme disparity between w>b and b>w crime means that using victimization rates as a proxy grossly understates black crime. Just as does depending on clearance rates, and so many other things.

    One of the many ironies of the prohibition against accurately reporting black crime is that even the "accurate" reporting understates the case.

  5. Something is off with column headings. 199 million white homicide deaths in 20 years?

  6. I believe your second from the right column is mislabeled.

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    • 回复: @Peter Akuleyev
    @拉尔夫·L

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    Not when you factor in big cities like Boston and New York where blacks are a minority. Or DC, where whites actually recaptured large chunks of the city. After all, functional urban life is largely a European/white innovation (whereby I include Eastern Mediterraneans as “white”.) Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    , @Fred C Dobbs
    @拉尔夫·L

    Assuming the "Large" cutoff is a central city population of over 500,000: Despite completely bombed out places like Cleveland and Detroit, and mostly bombed-out, like Philadelphia, there are some large cities like Denver and Phoenix that are still mostly decent.

  7. In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era—such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans— would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a “community” and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day — spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is — American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is “country” an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can’t understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    “40 Acres and a Mule” sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X’s description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X’s Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks’ feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D’s and “community organizers” and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    • 回复: @Anon
    @RG卡马拉


    在这方面,新政/二战后时代的巨大黑人住房项目——如芝加哥的卡布里尼-格林项目和新奥尔良的卡里奥佩项目——似乎会造成更多的黑人暴力和不稳定
     
    他们保护白人免受黑人暴力吗?

    回复:@Gordo

    , @Rob McX
    @RG卡马拉

    Blacks are definitely city people. It's no fun travelling 10 miles to the rural equivalent of a block party. And then 10 miles round trip back to your house to pick up your gun when someone other partygoer offends you.

    , @Rooster16
    @RG卡马拉

    The government/cities essentially provide everything to blacks from cradle to grave. The system relies on having blacks close to amenities, it would literally collapse due to logistical restraints if blacks were more spread out; thus the uproar about “food deserts”. Even if blacks were moved to rural locations, government assistance buildings would soon start to pop up near the largest congregation of them, and soon after the blacks would congregate around them… a modern version of the chicken and the egg scenario.

    回复:@Anon

    , @Almost Missouri
    @RG卡马拉


    lots of D’s and “community organizers” and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.
     
    Judging by past practice, blacks wouldn't so much be dispersed to the 至于 白人, primarily the whites in heretofore quiet R-voting towns. Government meta-planners use blacks as a biological weapon in their race war against normie whites. It's ironic that the weapon and it's retail beneficiaries resist its wholesale use more than the actual target resists it, probably because the target is still woefully underinformed, a condition the meta-planners make every effort to compound.

    (Minor side note: it's before my time, but my understanding is that "the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era" were not originally meant to be ¡B!lack communitays, but rather that just sort of happened as blacks disproportionately succumbed to the siren call of the welfare state. Though no doubt that there were many "true believing commies and hippies" on hand to theorize why this was a good thing ackshually.)

    回复:@Thea

    , @Boy the way Glenn Miller played
    @RG卡马拉


    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day — spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.
     
    What would be wrong with a renaissance of the Workhouse, the County Farm, and the Home for Unwed Mothers?
    , @Nick Granite
    @RG卡马拉

    Well let's be honest. 40 acres and a mule sounds like a hell of a lot of work.

  8. Just one data point, but my Kentucky brother-in-law (in a small-to-medium metro environment) does concealed carry every time he leaves the house.

    • 回复: @ForeverCARealist
    @帕科·沃韦(PacoWové)

    Got a relative there, a pastor. He carries while preaching... concealed, not open.

  9. 由于在大城市生活得更多,黑人凶杀率会下降多少?

    Definitely worse, but not much, much worse.

    There isn’t much doubt that there’s a completely dysfunction urban black culture that brings out the shooty.

    But there is also a lot of selection that’s going on here. Blacks that need “action” have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.) Blacks who are still doing the rural are mentally more suited to it. They are still way more shooty than whites, but they aren’t the most problematic of blacks.

    ~~~

    I think Mr. Reilly’s is absolutely right on his answer to you on guns. In rural Kentucky both the whites and blacks will have guns.

    It’s just that rural Kentucky whites are a bit more “vibrant” than the typical rural white American. (They’re much more likely to be Scots-Irish.) While the rural Kentucky blacks are both
    — aware of some of that redneck honor culture–don’t be a big dick or you may get your ass shot off– and have ordinary familiarity with guns, taking them seriously
    — and the biggest dicks have boiled off to Louisville

    Together basically the result is rural Kentucky blacks are more like their peer whites than elsewhere.

    • 同意: Almost Missouri
    • 回复: @Chrisnonymous
    An

    Selection is a good question. To what extent are shooty blacks shooty because of the city vs in the city because of the shootiness (or perhaps not the shootiness per se but all the drugs, gangs, hos, etc that accompany shootiness). Maybe this is another way of asking if relatively r- vs relatively K- strategy blacks naturally separate into urban and rural subgroups?

    Also, if it is urbanity causing black shootiness, what's the factor? Being around other blacks? Or, perceived ability to escape from police? Or, ubiquity of undocumented (non-traceable) guns? Or, religiosity of surrounding populations? Or, free time due to reduced commuting? Or....?

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    , @LP5
    An

    AnotherDad写道:


    Blacks that need “action” have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.)
     
    A type of distillation, to link to that Kentucky theme, so maybe bourbon for the urbans or moonshine for the rurals?
    Now, how to describe the Angel's Share https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/american-whiskey/what-is-the-angels-share/ that evaporates in the aging barrel.
    Provide your suggestions on appropriate naming.
    , @Fred C Dobbs
    An

    Re: Kentucky and its "Born Fightin" Scots-Irish population: If you find yourself cuttin' a rug down at a place called the Jug with a girl named Linda Lou.....

    You might later find yourself pleading....Gimme three steps, give me three steps, Mister....give me three steps toward the door....."

  10. Kentucky and WV are outliers in the high white ancestry of their black population and low socioeconomic status of whites.

    Lower IQ slaves in KY were sold down south where there was lower runaway risk and more profitable cotton plantations. That left a black population that was higher IQ household servants and skilled craftsmen, who were also heavily the mixed race descendants of slaveowners.

    • 回复: @AnotherDad
    @Pixo


    Lower IQ slaves in KY were sold down south where there was lower runaway risk and more profitable cotton plantations. That left a black population that was higher IQ household servants and skilled craftsmen, who were also heavily the mixed race descendants of slaveowners.
     
    The first time I was in Mississippi, it was noticeable to me that many blacks looked "blacker"--darker, more African, less white--than the ones I had been around and worked with in Cincinnati and elsewhere.

    Some of the dark is just sunshine. Some of it is no doubt cultural--how one carries oneself, talks. But pretty sure there is a net admixture issue. Selection probably both under slavery and in the get-up-and-go to head north.

    The genetics of black Americans and correlation with other metrics of traits/behavior/socio-economics would be interesting but is probably not at the top of anyone's research agenda.
  11. Wouldn’t the easier way to come at this question be to look at the homicide rates in mostly black rural counties (or census tracts if such crime stat granularity exists) and compare it with homicide rates in mostly black metro areas?

    I suspect the result will be about the same as above: rural blacks less murdery than urban blacks but still more murdery than whites. As per AnotherDad’s explanation, part of this is probably a result of boiling off: the hotter heads “going to town”, but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    • 回复: @Chrisnonymous
    @几乎密苏里州

    I don't have a good head for remembering numbers, I thought I saw once that black homicide rates in the USA were more similar to rates in Africa than to US whites, whereas white rates in the USA were more similar to Europe than to US blacks. How about blacks in Europe? Or, how about urban vs rural in Africa? Or, how about in Brazil?

    回复:@Polistra

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @几乎密苏里州


    ...how much crime goes up as population density increases.
     
    Some of this is closer targets.

    If you miss your shot in in the woods, you miss your shot. In the city, 你不能错过。 if you don't hit one thing (or person), you hit something (or someone) else.

    Stricter standards for gun possession thus make sense in the city. But these should be tied tightly to stricter standards of voter registration.
    , @kaganovitch
    @几乎密苏里州

    but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    I'm sure Raj Chetty is going to get on that soonest.

    , @Wade Hampton
    @几乎密苏里州

    When I lived in NC, I did a similar analysis to the one you describe. The NC State Bureau of Investigation maintains crime statistics (including murder) by county. It's easy enough to get county population and demographic data.

    NC is an interesting State in the there are heavily black and mostly rural counties in the Eastern Coastal Plain because that's where the antebellum plantations were. The big cities, Charlotte-Gastonia, Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem and Raleigh-Durham, are in the Central part of the State called the Piedmont. The big cities occupied their own counties and were pretty black. The Piedmont outside the big cities was pretty rural, not as black as the Piedmont cities, but nowhere near as black as many of the Coastal Counties. While there was a lot of agriculture in the Piedmont, there weren't the big plantations. Then the Western part of the state was mostly mountainous and completely unsuitable for plantations. No big cities and not a lot of blacks.

    So you got a good spread of urban-heavily-black, urban-somewhat-black, rural-heavily-black, rural-no-blacks. There was no ambiguity in the results. If you wanted to get yourself killed, live in a heavily black county. Either urban or rural. It did not matter at all. The blacker, the more likely you were to get murdered. In fact, the county in the state with the worst murder rate was heavily-black-rural. Durham was in the top 5 though.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk

    在全国范围内,如果我的算术正确,这表明如果黑人在城市化中的分布比例与白人相同,那么黑人与白人的凶杀率将从 10 下降 8.0% 到 7.2,这不是微不足道的但也不大。
     
    Shh! Don't give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!

    回复:@AnotherDad,@Polistra

    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!

    Unfortunately, Biden’s opened it up to foreign vibrants as well–by the millions.

    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
    An



    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!
     
    Unfortunately, Biden’s opened it up to foreign vibrants as well–by the millions.
     
    Such neighborhoods, native or foreign, could be called AFFHholes.
    , @Polistra
    An

    We need a discussion about the busing of migrants from Texas to NY & DC that Governor Abbott is currently pulling off. It's an awesome story and great fun watching Muriel Bowser and Eric Adams squirming and huffing while trying to stay on the right side of wokacity. Hearing their angry objections one might almost wonder if the flood of migrants is a good thing or not.

  13. rural NonCore

    “Noncore” sounds like a literary genre, or a section in the record store on Spotify

    Guns are, if anything, rarer in metro Louisville.

    It’s Ground Zero for a certain other popular weapon, though.

    [更多]

    • 哈哈: Total Kneegro Fatigue
    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
    @RegCæsar

    What? Does that put Chicago's METAL bat in just the Little League at best? Horrors!

    https://baseballismy.life/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/batcolumn-chicago-il.jpg

  14. @AnotherDad

    由于在大城市生活得更多,黑人凶杀率会下降多少?
     
    Definitely worse, but not much, much worse.

    There isn't much doubt that there's a completely dysfunction urban black culture that brings out the shooty.

    But there is also a lot of selection that's going on here. Blacks that need "action" have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.) Blacks who are still doing the rural are mentally more suited to it. They are still way more shooty than whites, but they aren't the most problematic of blacks.

    ~~~

    I think Mr. Reilly's is absolutely right on his answer to you on guns. In rural Kentucky both the whites and blacks will have guns.

    It's just that rural Kentucky whites are a bit more "vibrant" than the typical rural white American. (They're much more likely to be Scots-Irish.) While the rural Kentucky blacks are both
    -- aware of some of that redneck honor culture--don't be a big dick or you may get your ass shot off-- and have ordinary familiarity with guns, taking them seriously
    -- and the biggest dicks have boiled off to Louisville

    Together basically the result is rural Kentucky blacks are more like their peer whites than elsewhere.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @LP5, @Fred C Dobbs

    Selection is a good question. To what extent are shooty blacks shooty because of the city vs in the city because of the shootiness (or perhaps not the shootiness per se but all the drugs, gangs, hos, etc that accompany shootiness). Maybe this is another way of asking if relatively r- vs relatively K- strategy blacks naturally separate into urban and rural subgroups?

    Also, if it is urbanity causing black shootiness, what’s the factor? Being around other blacks? Or, perceived ability to escape from police? Or, ubiquity of undocumented (non-traceable) guns? Or, religiosity of surrounding populations? Or, free time due to reduced commuting? Or….?

    • 回复: @Almost Missouri
    @Chrisnonymous

    Population density ought to be a determinative variable on its own. After all, a lone person on an island can't commit any crimes because there is no one to commit them against, while in extremely densely populated environments, you could be literally stepping on everyone's toes: committing crimes without even meaning to.

    But I wonder if it is possible that urban whites are less criminal than rural whites? If so, that is probably a peculiarity of the US: using diversity to commit the crimes that urban whites have too much 无聊 承诺。

    回复:@International Jew

  15. @Almost Missouri
    Wouldn't the easier way to come at this question be to look at the homicide rates in mostly black rural counties (or census tracts if such crime stat granularity exists) and compare it with homicide rates in mostly black metro areas?

    I suspect the result will be about the same as above: rural blacks less murdery than urban blacks but still more murdery than whites. As per AnotherDad's explanation, part of this is probably a result of boiling off: the hotter heads "going to town", but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Wade Hampton

    I don’t have a good head for remembering numbers, I thought I saw once that black homicide rates in the USA were more similar to rates in Africa than to US whites, whereas white rates in the USA were more similar to Europe than to US blacks. How about blacks in Europe? Or, how about urban vs rural in Africa? Or, how about in Brazil?

    • 回复: @Polistra
    @Chrisnonymous

    Also, how about we separate so we dont have to waste so much time and resources on topics like this?

    回复:@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans

  16. “肯塔基州路易斯维尔的黑人被其他黑人包围,所以他们经常携带非法手枪。 肯塔基州 Dogpatch 的黑人被白人包围,所以他们不经常携带非法手枪。

    这与我发生的事情有关。

    人类是群居动物——并且倾向于遵守邻居建立的规范。

    所以在这里——黑人占人口的 0.3%——他们的行为可以说比白人平均水平更差,但他们或多或少符合我们相当温和的社会期望。 不要真的射击你的邻居等。

    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。

    • 回复: @Peter Johnson
    @科林·赖特

    检验这一点的另一种方法是检查广泛分布在一些欧洲国家的白人欧洲人口中的选定非洲移民群体的犯罪率。 当然有一个问题是选择效应(波兰、瑞典等地的许多非洲移民是通过过期的学生签证进入的,因此是非常精选的非洲人样本)。 测试会很棘手,但这是一个有趣的假设,似乎非常合理。 这在英国或法国是行不通的,因为那里有密集的同质非洲社区。

    , @Muggles
    @科林·赖特


    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。
     
    是的,这让我想起了我职业生涯的陆军中士爸爸告诉我他在朝鲜战争中的经历。

    他说,如果黑人分布稀疏,一个或两个小单位,一般没有问题。 但如果你有四个或更多,他们往往会聚集在一起,表现得像“黑人”(或当时的黑人),变得响亮、愚蠢和粗心。

    他说,由于 NorKor 的狙击手,他们经常会警告这些团体保持安静。

    但他说他们经常没有这样做,因此承担了后果。

    我注意到,在有几个黑人的工作区,他们迟早会挤在一起,变得吵闹。 这就像“他们不能做自己”,主要是白人。

    这很可能会转化为城市与农村的犯罪率。

    回复:@Wielgus

  17. ……当然,相反的情况似乎也发生了。

    把白人放在一大群黑人周围,他们就会开始遵守黑人规范。

    当学校整合时,这一点就被注意到了。 希望所有这些白人孩子都能提高黑人的学习成绩。

    实际上,所有这些黑人孩子都导致白人学业成绩下降。 不太明显的是,在综合社区中,我注意到白人司机开始复制黑人主义:例如,在一条繁忙的街道上半路停车并阻塞交通,同时等待另一路的交通中断。

    • 同意: Polistra
    • 回复: @SaneClownPosse
    @科林·赖特

    “假发”的崛起。

  18. I have suggested this previously.

    Hypothesis: there exists an inflection upward in the murder rate per Capita once blacks reach a supermajority.

    Data: Detroit, Baltimore, Jackson, New Orleans, Newark.

    Hypothesis reason: deaths of exuberance with no consequences.

    Counter- hypothesis: where one just has a black mayor, no supermajority elected by ally whites, but retains white vestige police, firefighter, etc. The inflection may reverse. (Giuliani/Bloomberg, Daley/Emmanuel).

    I am fairly certain one can do a regression analysis that will show the murder per Capita rate increase linearly with the % black. Then will inflect sharply upwards once 65% black population in the municipality.

    I say municipality because this is an urban phenomenon. Other things one will notice, besides the highest murder rate in the world, is drugs, homeless people, black mayor, black DA, shitty schools, total civic incompetence with zero accountability.

    • 同意: Total Kneegro Fatigue
    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
    @rebunga

    长:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm

    and the short of it:


    "Summary
    We have modeled violent victimization of whites in a racially mixed neighborhood. Our model is based on data collected by the Justice Department and reported in the NCVS. It paints a bleak picture for whites. As a neighborhood turns black, violent victimization of its white residents begins immediately. At first the risk is small, not much different from its previous all-white level. However, by the time the neighborhood reaches the half-black point, every white family of four has better than a one in three chance of being victimized within a year. Two factors account for black-on-white violence. 1) Blacks are 3 times more likely to commit violent crime than whites, and 2) black thugs prefer white victims, selecting them 64 times more than white thugs choose black victims. Most of the risk faced by whites, results from the predilection of black thugs to prey upon whites. As a neighborhood becomes overwhelmingly black, the risk curve for whites rises to ominous heights. In the last stages of transformation, the likelihood of a white being victimized within a year becomes a virtual certainty."
     
  19. @Almost Missouri
    Wouldn't the easier way to come at this question be to look at the homicide rates in mostly black rural counties (or census tracts if such crime stat granularity exists) and compare it with homicide rates in mostly black metro areas?

    I suspect the result will be about the same as above: rural blacks less murdery than urban blacks but still more murdery than whites. As per AnotherDad's explanation, part of this is probably a result of boiling off: the hotter heads "going to town", but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Wade Hampton

    …how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    Some of this is closer targets.

    If you miss your shot in in the woods, you miss your shot. In the city, 你不能错过。 if you don’t hit one thing (or person), you hit something (or someone) else.

    Stricter standards for gun possession thus make sense in the city. But these should be tied tightly to stricter standards of voter registration.

  20. @AnotherDad
    @巴兹·莫霍克(Buzz Mohawk)


    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!
     
    Unfortunately, Biden's opened it up to foreign vibrants as well--by the millions.

    回复:@Reg Cæsar,@Polistra

    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!

    Unfortunately, Biden’s opened it up to foreign vibrants as well–by the millions.

    Such neighborhoods, native or foreign, could be called AFFHholes.

    • 哈哈: kaganovitch
  21. “Illegal” is an interesting modifier here, but probably 25%+ of all white and Black males just carry guns in every environment I venture into.

    Why does Wilfred Reilly put Whites in lowercase?

    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
    @匿名的


    Why does Wilfred Reilly put Whites in lowercase?
     
    Why does [Theodore Roosevelt] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Lothrop Stoddard] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Winston Churchill] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Madison Grant] put Whites in lowercase?

    Because that's what normal educated people do. The question is, why does he treat "Blacks" differently?
  22. @Buzz Mohawk

    在全国范围内,如果我的算术正确,这表明如果黑人在城市化中的分布比例与白人相同,那么黑人与白人的凶杀率将从 10 下降 8.0% 到 7.2,这不是微不足道的但也不大。
     
    Shh! Don't give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!

    回复:@AnotherDad,@Polistra

    这些是凶杀案的受害者,而不是凶杀案的肇事者,但两者之间的相关性通常很高。

    Of course we’re not permitted to discuss perpetrators per se, but the extreme disparity between w>b and b>w crime means that using victimization rates as a proxy grossly understates black crime. Just as does depending on clearance rates, and so many other things.

    One of the many ironies of the prohibition against accurately reporting black crime is that even the “accurate” reporting understates the case.

  23. @Chrisnonymous
    An

    Selection is a good question. To what extent are shooty blacks shooty because of the city vs in the city because of the shootiness (or perhaps not the shootiness per se but all the drugs, gangs, hos, etc that accompany shootiness). Maybe this is another way of asking if relatively r- vs relatively K- strategy blacks naturally separate into urban and rural subgroups?

    Also, if it is urbanity causing black shootiness, what's the factor? Being around other blacks? Or, perceived ability to escape from police? Or, ubiquity of undocumented (non-traceable) guns? Or, religiosity of surrounding populations? Or, free time due to reduced commuting? Or....?

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    Population density ought to be a determinative variable on its own. After all, a lone person on an island can’t commit any crimes because there is no one to commit them against, while in extremely densely populated environments, you could be literally stepping on everyone’s toes: committing crimes without even meaning to.

    But I wonder if it is possible that urban whites are less criminal than rural whites? If so, that is probably a peculiarity of the US: using diversity to commit the crimes that urban whites have too much 无聊 承诺。

    • 回复: @International Jew
    @几乎密苏里州


    But I wonder if it is possible that urban whites are less criminal than rural whites?
     
    Not just that but urban whites are starkly different in all their habits. Compared to rural whites they eat differently, vote differently, and play differently. Blacks seem to be more homogeneous; wherever they live, they eat junk and vote Democrat.

    Maybe it's because cities are kind of a white idea to begin with; cities exist because certain kinds of white people wanted to have cities so they built them so they could live in them. Blacks, in contrast, don't create cities, they just sorta wind up in them.

  24. Back in June, I proposed a “black density” theory of violence based on the the idea that when individuals with a propensity for violence interact with one another, actual violence is going to increase exponentially, rather than additively.

    For example, if two people with what we could call an average violence propensity (defined as a “1.0 VP”) interact, the expected odds of a violent outcome are 1.0 x 1.0 = 1.0 (i.e. exactly average by definition). If someone with a 1.0 VP interacts with a 3.0 VP person the odds of violence are three times higher (1.0 VP x 3.0 VP = 3.0). But if two 3.0 VPs interact, there is a nine times greater chance of violence. (3.0 VP x 3.0 VP = 9.0).

    This means that if an average black person has a violence propensity of 3.0, he’ll be approximately three times more likely to be involved in violence than the average white if he lives in all-white Des Moines. But if he moves to East Saint Louis he’ll be approximately nine times likelier to be involved in violence. This is also a way to discover the generic black propensity for violence by reverse-engineering it from the observed data of blacks living within different populations. If Steve wanted to crunch the specific numbers for different locations, I bet this model would make some interesting fodder for his Twitter feed.

    (Note: This model technically has nothing to do with race but rather the violence propensity of the surrounding people — where white populations have higher or lower propensities for violence this data just goes into the formula and the same model applies).

    [更多]

    I don’t know how to link an old post but this was the original post from June 17:

    黑人凶杀率最低的是(按升序排列)夏威夷、缅因州、北达科他州、犹他州、罗德岛州、南达科他州、蒙大拿州和马萨诸塞州。

    我的理论是,黑人凶杀案主要是由黑人与其他黑人互动造成的。 当这种情况发生时,他们中的一个最终会不尊重另一个或谈论他们共同的黑人朋友之一,所以事情很可能“变得真实”。 一旦发生这种情况,就必须有人进行报复。 然后有人不得不再次报复报复。 等等。

    因此,如果您绘制黑色射击图,它可能是直接人口中黑人密度的平方的函数。

    黑人就像钚。 一旦你在一个地方(华盛顿或芝加哥)获得了临界质量,情况就会变得危急。 在缅因州或南达科他州,黑人很少,他们的大部分互动都是与白人互动。 白人(尤其是和平的北方白人)就像控制棒,阻止黑人暴力中子开始连锁反应。

    • 谢谢: Almost Missouri, bomag
    • 回复: @Intelligent Dasein
    @ Hypnotoad666

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的情绪,而且现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多争吵。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而一定是从外部强加的,是由一个脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且在很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    回复:@Redneck 农民,@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans,@Gordo

  25. @AnotherDad
    @巴兹·莫霍克(Buzz Mohawk)


    Shh! Don’t give any excuse, not even 10%, for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH)!
     
    Unfortunately, Biden's opened it up to foreign vibrants as well--by the millions.

    回复:@Reg Cæsar,@Polistra

    We need a discussion about the busing of migrants from Texas to NY & DC that Governor Abbott is currently pulling off. It’s an awesome story and great fun watching Muriel Bowser and Eric Adams squirming and huffing while trying to stay on the right side of wokacity. Hearing their angry objections one might almost wonder if the flood of migrants is a good thing or not.

    • 同意: fish, Charon
  26. @Anonymous

    "Illegal" is an interesting modifier here, but probably 25%+ of all white and Black males just carry guns in every environment I venture into.
     
    Why does Wilfred Reilly put Whites in lowercase?

    回复:@RegCæsar

    Why does Wilfred Reilly put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Theodore Roosevelt] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Lothrop Stoddard] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Winston Churchill] put Whites in lowercase?

    Why does [Madison Grant] put Whites in lowercase?

    Because that’s what normal educated people do. The question is, why does he treat “Blacks” differently?

  27. @Chrisnonymous
    @几乎密苏里州

    I don't have a good head for remembering numbers, I thought I saw once that black homicide rates in the USA were more similar to rates in Africa than to US whites, whereas white rates in the USA were more similar to Europe than to US blacks. How about blacks in Europe? Or, how about urban vs rural in Africa? Or, how about in Brazil?

    回复:@Polistra

    Also, how about we separate so we dont have to waste so much time and resources on topics like this?

    • 同意: Kylie, Rob McX
    • 回复: @Rob McX
    @波利斯特拉

    Handy rule of thumb: The best solution to any of these problems is always the one you can't mention.

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @波利斯特拉

    ((They)) won't allow us to separate. Ever.

    The mere thought that any of their victims might enjoy a fair measure of freedom is total anathema. It might cause a fissure in their 'project'.

    Hence, "white separatist" is one of the most hated notions in our society.

    回复:@Rob Lee

  28. @Almost Missouri
    @Chrisnonymous

    Population density ought to be a determinative variable on its own. After all, a lone person on an island can't commit any crimes because there is no one to commit them against, while in extremely densely populated environments, you could be literally stepping on everyone's toes: committing crimes without even meaning to.

    But I wonder if it is possible that urban whites are less criminal than rural whites? If so, that is probably a peculiarity of the US: using diversity to commit the crimes that urban whites have too much 无聊 承诺。

    回复:@International Jew

    But I wonder if it is possible that urban whites are less criminal than rural whites?

    Not just that but urban whites are starkly different in all their habits. Compared to rural whites they eat differently, vote differently, and play differently. Blacks seem to be more homogeneous; wherever they live, they eat junk and vote Democrat.

    Maybe it’s because cities are kind of a white idea to begin with; cities exist because certain kinds of white people wanted to have cities so they built them so they could live in them. Blacks, in contrast, don’t create cities, they just sorta wind up in them.

    • 同意: Hangnail Hans, Justvisiting
    • 谢谢: Almost Missouri
  29. @Colin Wright
    “肯塔基州路易斯维尔的黑人被其他黑人包围,所以他们经常携带非法手枪。 肯塔基州 Dogpatch 的黑人被白人包围,所以他们不经常携带非法手枪。

    这与我发生的事情有关。

    人类是群居动物——并且倾向于遵守邻居建立的规范。

    所以在这里——黑人占人口的 0.3%——他们的行为可以说比白人平均水平差,但他们或多或少符合我们相当温和的社会期望。 不要真的射击你的邻居等。

    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。

    回复:@Peter Johnson,@Muggles

    检验这一点的另一种方法是检查广泛分布在一些欧洲国家的白人欧洲人口中的选定非洲移民群体的犯罪率。 当然有一个问题是选择效应(波兰、瑞典等地的许多非洲移民是通过过期的学生签证进入的,因此是非常精选的非洲人样本)。 测试会很棘手,但这是一个有趣的假设,似乎非常合理。 这在英国或法国是行不通的,因为那里有密集的同质非洲社区。

  30. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    在这方面,新政/二战后时代的巨大黑人住房项目——如芝加哥的卡布里尼-格林项目和新奥尔良的卡里奥佩项目——似乎会造成更多的黑人暴力和不稳定

    他们保护白人免受黑人暴力吗?

    • 回复: @Gordo
    @阿农


    他们保护白人免受黑人暴力吗?
     
    这应该是目标,分离是解决方案。
  31. Although African crime statistics are probably unreliable, I wonder if the same urban-rural dichotomy shows up in Africa?

  32. @Hypnotoad666
    早在 XNUMX 月,我就提出了一种暴力的“黑色密度”理论,基于这样一种观点,即当有暴力倾向的个人相互互动时,实际暴力将呈指数增长,而不是相加。

    例如,如果两个具有我们可以称之为平均暴力倾向(定义为“1.0 VP”)的人互动,那么暴力结果的预期几率是 1.0 x 1.0 = 1.0(即根据定义正好是平均值)。 如果一个 1.0 VP 的人与一个 3.0 VP 的人互动,那么暴力的几率会高出三倍(1.0 VP x 3.0 VP = 3.0)。 但如果两个 3.0 VP 互动,发生暴力的几率会高出 3.0 倍。 (3.0 VP x 9.0 VP = XNUMX)。

    这意味着,如果一个普通黑人的暴力倾向为 3.0,那么如果他住在全白人的得梅因,他卷入暴力的可能性大约是普通白人的三倍。 但如果他搬到东圣路易斯,他卷入暴力的可能性大约是他的九倍。 这也是一种通过对生活在不同人群中的黑人的观察数据进行逆向工程来发现一般黑人暴力倾向的方法。 如果史蒂夫想计算不同地点的具体数字,我敢打赌这个模型会为他的 Twitter 提要提供一些有趣的素材。

    (注意:这个模型在技术上与种族无关,而是与周围人的暴力倾向有关——白人有更高或更低的暴力倾向,这个数据只是进入公式,同样的模型适用)。



    我不知道如何链接旧帖子,但这是 17 月 XNUMX 日的原始帖子:



    黑人凶杀率最低的是(按升序排列)夏威夷、缅因州、北达科他州、犹他州、罗德岛州、南达科他州、蒙大拿州和马萨诸塞州。
     

     
    我的理论是,黑人凶杀案主要是由黑人与其他黑人互动造成的。 当这种情况发生时,他们中的一个最终会不尊重另一个或谈论他们共同的黑人朋友之一,所以事情很可能“变得真实”。 一旦发生这种情况,就必须有人进行报复。 然后有人不得不再次报复报复。 等等。

    因此,如果您绘制黑色射击图,它可能是直接人口中黑人密度的平方的函数。

    黑人就像钚。 一旦你在一个地方(华盛顿或芝加哥)获得了临界质量,情况就会变得危急。 在缅因州或南达科他州,黑人很少,他们的大部分互动都是与白人互动。 白人(尤其是和平的北方白人)就像控制棒,阻止黑人暴力中子开始连锁反应。
     

    回复:@Intelligent Dasein

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的喜怒无常,而且由于现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多可争的事情。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而必须是从外部强加的,是由一种脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    • 谢谢: fish, Michelle, Occasional lurker
    • 回复: @Redneck farmer
    @智能此在

    “我们为小事绞死人,为不值一提的事放逐他们;……”

    , @Rob McX
    @智能此在


    在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。
     
    In 告别施舍, Gregory Clark 解释了自工业革命以来人类生物学是如何发生变化的,以使英国和其他工业化国家的人们不那么暴力。 他展示了由此产生的文化变化如何放大了这一点。 没有读过这本书,我不能说他的论点有多有效。

    就南美国家而言,它们与美国存在着很大的种族差异。 他们的人口中有更多的美洲印第安人和非洲血统与原始的欧洲血统混合在一起。

    回复:@偶尔潜伏者

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @智能此在


    白人相对非暴力是最近的历史渊源。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、仇恨和阴谋将使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇
     
    不可知的“事实”和来自轶事的广泛争论。 是的,历史充满了有趣的“事实”,您可以挑选这些“事实”来“证明”任何事情。

    野生的事情发生在过去! 一个麻烦是,它主要是被记录的“野东西”,特别是当前时代被检索到的野东西,以证明某些观点。 你的帖子就是一个很好的例子。
    , @Gordo
    @智能此在


    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。
     
    但是白人的生物学已经改变了。
  33. New evidence regarding the speed of human evolution shows that it can happen very quickly, within the space of centuries, not millennia. Your argument “But that cannot be true. White biology has not changed for thousands of years of recorded history, but white relative nonviolence is of very recent historical provenance. ” is not longer consistent with the evidence. Within a few generations, the frequency distribution of genetic variation can lead to observable changes to patterns of social behavior.

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    • 回复: @International Jew
    彼得·约翰逊(Peter Johnson)

    True that. And right now in the US, between welfare, affirmative action, plaques-for-blacks and defacto immunity from the law, conditions are perfect for the quick evolution of a spectacularly dysfunctional black nation-within-a-nation.

    Replies: @Total Kneegro Fatigue

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    彼得·约翰逊(Peter Johnson)

    没有

    You're drawing an epicycle within an epicycle called "polygenic score," and it's a bunch of horse manure. Polygenes are nothing but statistical legerdemain, and there is no mechanism by which they can produce complex behaviors. There is, as yet, no mechanism even hypothesized, nor even imagined, nor has anyone even done the typical evolutionist two-step of pulling some entirely fabricated Just-So story out of his ever-loving ass. It is entirely an exercise in correlation without causation. The fact that you would try to salvage HBD theory by reaching for such flimsy, 特设 nonsense really says something about the strength of the theory---and about you.

    , @Peter Johnson
    彼得·约翰逊(Peter Johnson)

    See Paolo Shirasi's twitter thread on this common misunderstanding. The misconception that human evolution is extremely slow was concocted by the American Marxist propagandist Stephen J. Gould, and spread like wildfire due its political convenience. Gould's deception still lives on, in the face of ever-growing contrary evidence.

    https://twitter.com/PaoloShirasi/status/1557778129040596993

  34. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    Blacks are definitely city people. It’s no fun travelling 10 miles to the rural equivalent of a block party. And then 10 miles round trip back to your house to pick up your gun when someone other partygoer offends you.

  35. @Intelligent Dasein
    @ Hypnotoad666

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的情绪,而且现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多争吵。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而一定是从外部强加的,是由一个脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且在很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    回复:@Redneck 农民,@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans,@Gordo

    “We hang men for trifles, and banish them for things not worth naming;…”

  36. @Polistra
    @Chrisnonymous

    Also, how about we separate so we dont have to waste so much time and resources on topics like this?

    回复:@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans

    Handy rule of thumb: The best solution to any of these problems is always the one you can’t mention.

  37. @Intelligent Dasein
    @ Hypnotoad666

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的情绪,而且现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多争吵。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而一定是从外部强加的,是由一个脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且在很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    回复:@Redneck 农民,@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans,@Gordo

    在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。

    In 告别施舍, Gregory Clark explains how human biology did change since the Industrial Revolution to make people less violent in Britain and other industrialised countries. He shows how resulting cultural changes amplified this. Not having read the book, I can’t say how valid his argument is.

    就南美国家而言,它们与美国存在着很大的种族差异。 他们的人口中有更多的美洲印第安人和非洲血统与原始的欧洲血统混合在一起。

    • 同意: ic1000
    • 回复: @Occasional lurker
    罗布·麦克克斯(Rob McX)

    I never found a Farewell to Alms very convincing, considering (among other things) that in my European country, the process of violence reduction went on long after the mechanisms assumed in the book were gone or counteracted by others. It's possible that the propensity to impulsivity/adventure-seeking varies somewhat genetically between populations (as it does between indiviuduals), but environmental influences are clearly very powerful here and might be enough to explain the phenomena. We just don't know yet. West Africa and American native culture were high violence tribal cultures, this may be difficult to overcome in a few generations, especially in a high Gini coefficient society. Think Germanic tribals of Roman times. Possibly there are also epigenetic effects of high violence societies that need to be overridden.

  38. @Polistra
    @Chrisnonymous

    Also, how about we separate so we dont have to waste so much time and resources on topics like this?

    回复:@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans

    ((They)) won’t allow us to separate. Ever.

    The mere thought that any of their victims might enjoy a fair measure of freedom is total anathema. It might cause a fissure in their ‘project’.

    Hence, “white separatist” is one of the most hated notions in our society.

    • 回复: @Rob Lee
    @Hangnail汉斯

    Of course. You couldn't play a very effective game of chess with only one side. You have to have both black and white pieces for a proper game.

  39. @Intelligent Dasein
    @ Hypnotoad666

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的情绪,而且现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多争吵。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而一定是从外部强加的,是由一个脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且在很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    回复:@Redneck 农民,@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans,@Gordo

    白人相对非暴力是最近的历史渊源。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、仇恨和阴谋将使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇

    Unknowable “facts” and extensive argument from anecdote. Yes, history is full of fun “facts” which you can cherry-pick to “prove” just about anything.

    Wild stuff happened back in the old days! One trouble is, it’s mainly the “wild stuff” which gets recorded, and in particular it’s the wild stuff which gets retrieved in current times, to demonstrate some point or another. Your post is a good example.

    • 巨魔: Inquiring Mind
  40. It’s the Pottery Barn Effect

    At the end of the day, everyone just wants a nice house and to decorate it from Pottery Barn

    • 回复: @Total Kneegro Fatigue
    @思想


    It’s the Pottery Barn Effect

    At the end of the day, everyone just wants a nice house and to decorate it from Pottery Barn
     

    Herein lies the problem… while many of US are willing to put in the necessary work to make us homeowners (building our credit score, saving up the down payment and then following through to make the mortgage payments for 15, 20, 30 years), while the “others” who harbor an entitlement mentality believe they should be handed the same for free, without having to lift a single finger to own said dwelling themselves.
  41. If I had to choose whether 40 Billion would go to “Ukraine” or go to American Blacks (to encourage birth rates of good middle class folk)

    I’d choose African Americans every time

    I’d end all foreign aid and send that money straight back into the pockets of the American Middle Class

    • 回复: @Bill Jones
    @思想

    Most of that $40Billion will end up in the pockets of of the American Middle Class.The State Department half will go to grants to Foundations and Universities For Studies and Training, the War Department half on US Mercenary Companies and the good folk at Lockheed.
    It will do a lot more good for Northern Virginia and So-Cal real estate values than Ukrainian ones.

    That Appropriation should have been called The Deep State Funding Bill.

    See if you can suggest a tile for the recent IRS Funding in light of this picture from the IRS "Annual Report"

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-11-irs-annual-report-shows-heavily-armed-agents-training-to-shoot-people.html


    https://www.naturalnews.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/91/2022/08/IRS-shooting-people-targets-full.png

  42. OT

    Since when did Saudi Arabia become a “hostile power”?

    “Abouammo acted in secret as an agent of a foreign government targeting dissenting voices,” said Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “This verdict shows that the Justice Department will not tolerate any act of transnational repression and will hold accountable those who aid hostile regimes in extending their reach to our shores.”

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-twitter-employee-found-guilty-acting-agent-foreign-government-and-unlawfully-sharing

    • 回复: @Almost Missouri
    @比尔B.


    Since when did Saudi Arabia become a “hostile power”?
     
    自从他们 得罪了 an acolyte of the West's priestly class.
  43. @Ralph L
    I believe your second from the right column is mislabeled.

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Fred C Dobbs

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    Not when you factor in big cities like Boston and New York where blacks are a minority. Or DC, where whites actually recaptured large chunks of the city. After all, functional urban life is largely a European/white innovation (whereby I include Eastern Mediterraneans as “white”.) Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.

    • 回复: @Almost Missouri
    彼得·阿库利耶夫(Peter Akuleyev)


    Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.
     
    Agreed, but once you have cities, blacks, and liberalism, is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities? You can get rid of the cities, but that defeats the purpose. You can get rid of the blacks, but no one has the stomach for that yet. Or you can get rid of liberalism, which at this point is the state religion, and so would require a religious revolution.

    NYC did temporarily manage to void a few of those points of liberalism that had to do with accommodating black urban dysfunction, but 1) after a few years their heresy was noted and ended by religious censors, and 2) NYC only managed to transfer black urban dysfunction to less powerful cities, so they didn't actually solve anything, just changed the victims (though no doubt that was an adequate "solution" as far as NYC was concerned, but I am asking about society-wide solutions, not covert games of pass-the-hot-potato).

    回复:@Justvisiting

  44. “在几千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。”

    是的。 这意味着如果史蒂文·平克是对的(他是),黑人暴力是一个我们可以在很大程度上解决的问题,即使查尔斯默里是对的(他是)。只是不要到处破坏对警察的信心,哈哈!

    有趣的是,平克如何为“反种族主义者”开辟了新的途径来争论文化如何深刻地重新连接可以用来对抗查尔斯默里或(嘶嘶声!)史蒂夫塞勒的心态,但每个人都太文盲,无法阅读那本 800 页的书,所以这仍然是 1975 年以来的学术陈词滥调。 令人难以置信的晚期苏联知识分子昏昏欲睡。

    • 回复: @anon
    @Cosmohicks


    有趣的是,平克如何为“反种族主义者”开辟新途径来争论文化如何深刻地重新连接心态
     
    是“有趣”还是方便? 犹太人不希望白人欣赏他们的 DNA 和其他人的 DNA 的重要性。
  45. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    The government/cities essentially provide everything to blacks from cradle to grave. The system relies on having blacks close to amenities, it would literally collapse due to logistical restraints if blacks were more spread out; thus the uproar about “food deserts”. Even if blacks were moved to rural locations, government assistance buildings would soon start to pop up near the largest congregation of them, and soon after the blacks would congregate around them… a modern version of the chicken and the egg scenario.

    • 回复: @Anon
    @ Rooster16

    Yes, definitely. Many American Indians started living close to the local white trader/ Indian agent for the same reason. That was where the all the goodies were. If you've ever read memoirs about the old West, many Indians moved to where the handouts were, whereupon they switched to a lifestyle where they spent a lot time shambling around drunk.

    Giving people what they crave most can be a disaster for a society, and the white love of meth, fentanyl, and pot is a good example.

    Human beings are programmed so that the chase is ultimately better for your physical and mental health than the reward. Once you achieve a life of nothing but rewards, you tend to fall apart.

  46. @rebunga
    I have suggested this previously.

    Hypothesis: there exists an inflection upward in the murder rate per Capita once blacks reach a supermajority.

    Data: Detroit, Baltimore, Jackson, New Orleans, Newark.

    Hypothesis reason: deaths of exuberance with no consequences.

    Counter- hypothesis: where one just has a black mayor, no supermajority elected by ally whites, but retains white vestige police, firefighter, etc. The inflection may reverse. (Giuliani/Bloomberg, Daley/Emmanuel).

    I am fairly certain one can do a regression analysis that will show the murder per Capita rate increase linearly with the % black. Then will inflect sharply upwards once 65% black population in the municipality.

    I say municipality because this is an urban phenomenon. Other things one will notice, besides the highest murder rate in the world, is drugs, homeless people, black mayor, black DA, shitty schools, total civic incompetence with zero accountability.

    回复:@ThreeCranes

    长:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm

    and the short of it:

    “概要
    We have modeled violent victimization of whites in a racially mixed neighborhood. Our model is based on data collected by the Justice Department and reported in the NCVS. It paints a bleak picture for whites. As a neighborhood turns black, violent victimization of its white residents begins immediately. At first the risk is small, not much different from its previous all-white level. However, by the time the neighborhood reaches the half-black point, every white family of four has better than a one in three chance of being victimized within a year. Two factors account for black-on-white violence. 1) Blacks are 3 times more likely to commit violent crime than whites, and 2) black thugs prefer white victims, selecting them 64 times more than white thugs choose black victims. Most of the risk faced by whites, results from the predilection of black thugs to prey upon whites. As a neighborhood becomes overwhelmingly black, the risk curve for whites rises to ominous heights. In the last stages of transformation, the likelihood of a white being victimized within a year becomes a virtual certainty.”

  47. @Paco Wové
    Just one data point, but my Kentucky brother-in-law (in a small-to-medium metro environment) does concealed carry every time he leaves the house.

    回复:@ForeverCARealist

    Got a relative there, a pastor. He carries while preaching… concealed, not open.

  48. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    lots of D’s and “community organizers” and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Judging by past practice, blacks wouldn’t so much be dispersed to the 至于 白人, primarily the whites in heretofore quiet R-voting towns. Government meta-planners use blacks as a biological weapon in their race war against normie whites. It’s ironic that the weapon and it’s retail beneficiaries resist its wholesale use more than the actual target resists it, probably because the target is still woefully underinformed, a condition the meta-planners make every effort to compound.

    (Minor side note: it’s before my time, but my understanding is that “the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era” were not originally meant to be ¡B!lack communitays, but rather that just sort of happened as blacks disproportionately succumbed to the siren call of the welfare state. Though no doubt that there were many “true believing commies and hippies” on hand to theorize why this was a good thing ackshually.)

    • 同意: bomag
    • 回复: @Thea
    @几乎密苏里州

    Have you read the Norvelt books by Jack Gantos? They unfortunately advocate socialism and add some modern wokeness that no one in 1939 likely felt BUT clearly describe the working families those towns were built to house and demographic collapse a generation later.

    For something designed to give the working man dignity those communities sure sucked the life out of their residents.

    回复:@Almost Missouri

  49. Notable Black Rednecks
    查理骄傲
    Big John Tate
    坎贝尔伯爵
    Tony Atlas

  50. @Peter Akuleyev
    @拉尔夫·L

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    Not when you factor in big cities like Boston and New York where blacks are a minority. Or DC, where whites actually recaptured large chunks of the city. After all, functional urban life is largely a European/white innovation (whereby I include Eastern Mediterraneans as “white”.) Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.

    Agreed, but once you have cities, blacks, and liberalism, is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities? You can get rid of the cities, but that defeats the purpose. You can get rid of the blacks, but no one has the stomach for that yet. Or you can get rid of liberalism, which at this point is the state religion, and so would require a religious revolution.

    NYC did temporarily manage to void a few of those points of liberalism that had to do with accommodating black urban dysfunction, but 1) after a few years their heresy was noted and ended by religious censors, and 2) NYC only managed to transfer black urban dysfunction to less powerful cities, so they didn’t actually solve anything, just changed the victims (though no doubt that was an adequate “solution” as far as NYC was concerned, but I am asking about society-wide solutions, not covert games of pass-the-hot-potato).

    • 回复: @Justvisiting
    @几乎密苏里州


    is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities?
     
    For a new city there is an easy way--restrictive covenants.

    I mention this for future generations that may finally have "had enough" and can't figure out what could possibly be done.

    All it takes is the courage and determination to do it--anywhere on the planet.

    Btw this is what the elites do now--they have homeowners associations/clubs with "membership" and "vetting" of members. They get away with it because they rent the local politicians. Here is where Bill Gates has one of his homes, for example--a stunning Whitopia:

    https://pagesix.com/2021/05/11/bill-gates-hiding-out-at-the-vintage-club-in-indian-wells/

    回复:@Almost Missouri

  51. @Almost Missouri
    彼得·阿库利耶夫(Peter Akuleyev)


    Blacks may be better suited toward small villages. Ceding cities to blacks is a mistake.
     
    Agreed, but once you have cities, blacks, and liberalism, is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities? You can get rid of the cities, but that defeats the purpose. You can get rid of the blacks, but no one has the stomach for that yet. Or you can get rid of liberalism, which at this point is the state religion, and so would require a religious revolution.

    NYC did temporarily manage to void a few of those points of liberalism that had to do with accommodating black urban dysfunction, but 1) after a few years their heresy was noted and ended by religious censors, and 2) NYC only managed to transfer black urban dysfunction to less powerful cities, so they didn't actually solve anything, just changed the victims (though no doubt that was an adequate "solution" as far as NYC was concerned, but I am asking about society-wide solutions, not covert games of pass-the-hot-potato).

    回复:@Justvisiting

    is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities?

    For a new city there is an easy way–restrictive covenants.

    I mention this for future generations that may finally have “had enough” and can’t figure out what could possibly be done.

    All it takes is the courage and determination to do it–anywhere on the planet.

    Btw this is what the elites do now–they have homeowners associations/clubs with “membership” and “vetting” of members. They get away with it because they rent the local politicians. Here is where Bill Gates has one of his homes, for example–a stunning Whitopia:

    https://pagesix.com/2021/05/11/bill-gates-hiding-out-at-the-vintage-club-in-indian-wells/

    • 回复: @Almost Missouri
    @justvisiting.

    Restrictive covenants have been illegal and unenforceable in the US for decades, even before the [anti-]Civil Rights revolution. But yes, homeowners associations/clubs with “membership” and “vetting” of members is a way to do restrictive covenants without being seen to do restrictive covenants.

    正如我所说 别处, against the rising tide of diversity, civilization will increasingly have to organize itself into associations, clubs, gated communities (what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?), affinity marketing groups, etc. in order to carry out the ordinary discretion that everyone practiced for millennia but is now anathematized by the armed woke theocracy.

    回复:@Charon

  52. @Almost Missouri
    @RG卡马拉


    lots of D’s and “community organizers” and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.
     
    Judging by past practice, blacks wouldn't so much be dispersed to the 至于 白人, primarily the whites in heretofore quiet R-voting towns. Government meta-planners use blacks as a biological weapon in their race war against normie whites. It's ironic that the weapon and it's retail beneficiaries resist its wholesale use more than the actual target resists it, probably because the target is still woefully underinformed, a condition the meta-planners make every effort to compound.

    (Minor side note: it's before my time, but my understanding is that "the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era" were not originally meant to be ¡B!lack communitays, but rather that just sort of happened as blacks disproportionately succumbed to the siren call of the welfare state. Though no doubt that there were many "true believing commies and hippies" on hand to theorize why this was a good thing ackshually.)

    回复:@Thea

    Have you read the Norvelt books by Jack Gantos? They unfortunately advocate socialism and add some modern wokeness that no one in 1939 likely felt BUT clearly describe the working families those towns were built to house and demographic collapse a generation later.

    For something designed to give the working man dignity those communities sure sucked the life out of their residents.

    • 回复: @Almost Missouri
    @西娅

    Can't say as I have. Is this the same Gantos that Wiki describes as a children's book author?

    回复:@Thea

  53. 大而高密度的城市显然夸大了各种形式的负面人类行为。 谋杀、袭击、盗窃,还有同性恋、变性、吸毒(至少在处方类阿片类药物泛滥之前),以及一般的破坏性左派/进步意识形态。

    • 回复: @Stan Adams
    @迈克·特雷

    不,但我读过 源头 由 Ayn Rand 执导,我看过由 King Vidor 执导并由 Gary Cooper、Patricia Neal 和 Raymond Massey 主演的电影。

    事后看来,当霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 发现黑客建筑师在他的粗野主义裸露混凝土住宅项目的精彩计划中添加了几个俗气的希腊雕像时,霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 进入了完全的疯狂轰炸机模式,这很有趣。 在现实生活中,这些雕像会在居民抵达后的几周内被砸成碎片。

    IIRC有一个场景 虚荣的篝火 汤姆沃尔夫提到,一个住宅项目的乌托邦设计师种树并放置长凳,希望受压迫的穷人能享受一个坐下来放松的好地方。 充满活力的人在一个月内剥光了树木并拆除了长椅。

    回复:@Stan Adams

  54. @Peter Johnson
    关于人类进化速度的新证据表明,它可以在几个世纪而不是几千年的时间内迅速发生。 你的论点“但这不可能是真的。在几千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力是最近的历史渊源。”不再与证据一致。 在几代人中,遗传变异的频率分布可以导致社会行为模式发生可观察到的变化。

    回复:@International Jew,@Intelligent Dasein,@Peter Johnson

    True that. And right now in the US, between welfare, affirmative action, plaques-for-blacks and defacto immunity from the law, conditions are perfect for the quick evolution of a spectacularly dysfunctional black nation-within-a-nation.

    • 回复: @Total Kneegro Fatigue
    @国际犹太人

    #53

    I agree with you on that point 100%..!!!

  55. @Peter Johnson
    关于人类进化速度的新证据表明,它可以在几个世纪而不是几千年的时间内迅速发生。 你的论点“但这不可能是真的。在几千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力是最近的历史渊源。”不再与证据一致。 在几代人中,遗传变异的频率分布可以导致社会行为模式发生可观察到的变化。

    回复:@International Jew,@Intelligent Dasein,@Peter Johnson

    没有

    你在一个叫做“多基因分数”的本轮内画一个本轮,它是一堆马粪。 多基因不过是统计上的骗局,没有任何机制可以让它们产生复杂的行为。 到目前为止,还没有任何机制可以假设,甚至没有想象过,甚至没有人完成典型的进化论两步,从他永远爱的屁股中拉出一些完全捏造的 Just-So 故事。 这完全是一种没有因果关系的相关练习。 事实上,你会试图通过接触如此脆弱的东西来挽救 HBD 理论, 特设 胡说八道真的说明了理论的力量——还有你。

  56. @Almost Missouri
    Wouldn't the easier way to come at this question be to look at the homicide rates in mostly black rural counties (or census tracts if such crime stat granularity exists) and compare it with homicide rates in mostly black metro areas?

    I suspect the result will be about the same as above: rural blacks less murdery than urban blacks but still more murdery than whites. As per AnotherDad's explanation, part of this is probably a result of boiling off: the hotter heads "going to town", but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Wade Hampton

    but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    I’m sure Raj Chetty is going to get on that soonest.

  57. I once had a cabin in rural SW Virginia. Its probably a lot like rural Kentucky. It was mostly poor whites who are older than the population in urban areas. Some counties are DRY, i.e. no bars or liquor stores and the counties that serve alcohol only serve beer! If you want liquor you buy it from a state run ABC store. Higher average age and limited access to alcohol are probably a huge reason for the lower murder rates. Toss in no strip clubs, hookah lounges or other late night scenes plus the low population density spur of the moment shootings are going to be reduced. Having to drive 10 miles to get your adversaries residence gives you time to cool off and think is shooting someone really what I want to do because a quick getaway is hard to pull off when you live in the sticks and everybody sort of knows everyone else.

  58. @AnotherDad

    由于在大城市生活得更多,黑人凶杀率会下降多少?
     
    Definitely worse, but not much, much worse.

    There isn't much doubt that there's a completely dysfunction urban black culture that brings out the shooty.

    But there is also a lot of selection that's going on here. Blacks that need "action" have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.) Blacks who are still doing the rural are mentally more suited to it. They are still way more shooty than whites, but they aren't the most problematic of blacks.

    ~~~

    I think Mr. Reilly's is absolutely right on his answer to you on guns. In rural Kentucky both the whites and blacks will have guns.

    It's just that rural Kentucky whites are a bit more "vibrant" than the typical rural white American. (They're much more likely to be Scots-Irish.) While the rural Kentucky blacks are both
    -- aware of some of that redneck honor culture--don't be a big dick or you may get your ass shot off-- and have ordinary familiarity with guns, taking them seriously
    -- and the biggest dicks have boiled off to Louisville

    Together basically the result is rural Kentucky blacks are more like their peer whites than elsewhere.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @LP5, @Fred C Dobbs

    AnotherDad写道:

    Blacks that need “action” have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.)

    A type of distillation, to link to that Kentucky theme, so maybe bourbon for the urbans or moonshine for the rurals?
    Now, how to describe the Angel’s Share https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/american-whiskey/what-is-the-angels-share/ that evaporates in the aging barrel.
    Provide your suggestions on appropriate naming.

  59. @Anon
    @RG卡马拉


    在这方面,新政/二战后时代的巨大黑人住房项目——如芝加哥的卡布里尼-格林项目和新奥尔良的卡里奥佩项目——似乎会造成更多的黑人暴力和不稳定
     
    他们保护白人免受黑人暴力吗?

    回复:@Gordo

    他们保护白人免受黑人暴力吗?

    这应该是目标,分离是解决方案。

  60. @Intelligent Dasein
    @ Hypnotoad666

    就理论而言,这个理论很有意义。 恭喜你想出了一些聪明有趣的东西。

    但是,总的来说,关于这个相当广泛的话题,我只想说,似乎有一种明显的过度思考的倾向。 显然,这里的大多数评论者很容易假设黑人因为他们的“生物学”而更加暴力。 这有一些表面上的合理性,直到你意识到这个理论的另一面是断言白人是 暴力是因为 “生物学。” 事实上,HBD 推理的整个语料库或多或少都建立在这样的假设之上。

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。 白人过去对彼此更加暴力。 但丁和马基雅维利时代在佛罗伦萨盛行的清洗、争执和阴谋使现代芝加哥的任何夜晚都显得平淡无奇。 而且,作为那个时期的典型,这些作者在记录时没有任何批判和道德化的姿势。 它们只是他们分析精神生活(但丁)和政治生活(马基雅维利)的“原材料”。

    此外,虽然今天白人之间的暴力程度有所降低,但他们的智慧却丝毫不减 狠毒. 只是他们更喜欢使用更微妙的角色暗杀和专业破坏技术来摧毁对方,而不是 9 毫米和弹簧刀。 我认为这为这里真正发生的事情提供了线索。

    在当代白人社会中,我们已经消除了对 个人 暴力,因为所有的球拍都被合法化了,所有的风险都被金融化了。 人们不会经常需要用武器保护自己、荣誉和财产,这意味着暴力对抗已成为罕见。 身份盗窃保护和保险结算减少了枪杀抢劫犯和窃贼的必要性,同时福利和宽松的金融使市场远离了高利贷者和骗子。 非法药物使用现在在许多司法管辖区是合法的或被容忍的,因此与税收者一起打击它的想法已经过时了。 避孕和性许可削弱了配偶嫉妒的边缘,离婚法庭提供了最终的保证,防止被迫抚养和抚养他人的私生子。 你可以不断地进行这种分析, 比照,在生活的任何部门。 由于 99% 的争吵都是为了性、金钱、权力或因醉酒而加剧的情绪,而且现代社会为所有这些事情提供了减压阀,所以没有那么多争吵。

    曾经经常谈论的话题是推测为什么北美和拉丁美洲尽管拥有巨大的自然资源同样具有优势,但最终的发展水平却截然不同。 最常提出的答案与“新教职业道德”以及南方肮脏的天主教徒无法像善良的美国佬那样组织任何事情的想法有关。 这个想法一直很荒谬。 如果那些旧时代的耶稣会士知道什么,那就是如何组织东西。

    在对这个问题进行了一番深思熟虑之后,真正的答案表明自己是进步主义。 自由主义的盎格鲁国家非常严厉地试图通过阉割和收买他们更有男子气概的元素来压制个人暴力。 由此产生的和平导致了公共空间的巨大发展,但牺牲了个人的卓越性。 我们创造了一个光彩夺目的伟大社会,每个人都感到自己与世隔绝,而拉丁人创造了一个更贫穷的社会,但个人过着充实的生活。

    现在,您可能会说这仍然是 HBD。 这是相同的旧 r/K 选择理论,否则会被表达。 你可能会说,这证明了黑人永久地过着刚果渔村的生活,而白人当然会在必要时过着艰难的生活,但尽管他们自己经历了几个世纪的暴力,至少有能力建设机会出现时文明。 我会反驳说,除了证明生物学与它无关的短暂时间框架之外,我们在这里谈论的那种“文明”与 整个 人类的状况,不可能是任何人的“生物学”有机地产生的,而一定是从外部强加的,是由一个脱离实际生活的头脑强加的。

    可悲、悲惨、可怕的事实是,大多数白人并没有从属于他们的“文明”中获得任何个人利益,超过了一定的复杂程度,而且在很久以前就已经达到并超过了这一点。

    回复:@Redneck 农民,@Rob McX,@Hangnail Hans,@Gordo

    但这不可能是真的。 在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。

    但是白人的生物学已经改变了。

  61. 您所在城市的黑人是否有可能看到被病态利他主义毒害的没有武装的软弱白人,因此容易成为目标,肯塔基州的黑人看到骄傲和保守的白人很可能是武装的,如果他们是枪的话,可能是好枪?

  62. @Justvisiting
    @几乎密苏里州


    is there any way to prevent blacks swarming the cities?
     
    For a new city there is an easy way--restrictive covenants.

    I mention this for future generations that may finally have "had enough" and can't figure out what could possibly be done.

    All it takes is the courage and determination to do it--anywhere on the planet.

    Btw this is what the elites do now--they have homeowners associations/clubs with "membership" and "vetting" of members. They get away with it because they rent the local politicians. Here is where Bill Gates has one of his homes, for example--a stunning Whitopia:

    https://pagesix.com/2021/05/11/bill-gates-hiding-out-at-the-vintage-club-in-indian-wells/

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    Restrictive covenants have been illegal and unenforceable in the US for decades, even before the [anti-]Civil Rights revolution. But yes, homeowners associations/clubs with “membership” and “vetting” of members is a way to do restrictive covenants without being seen to do restrictive covenants.

    正如我所说 别处, against the rising tide of diversity, civilization will increasingly have to organize itself into associations, clubs, gated communities (what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?), affinity marketing groups, etc. in order to carry out the ordinary discretion that everyone practiced for millennia but is now anathematized by the armed woke theocracy.

    • 回复: @Charon
    @几乎密苏里州


    what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?

     

    They are much more: they are restrictive covenants on steroids. If it weren't for the implications for livability on Park Avenue, and the nature of the residents there, co-ops would have been trashed by the courts many years ago.

    The process is completely opaque, redolent of extreme privilege, and results in extreme disparities. Yet untouchable. And despite my mention of Park Avenue, co-ops are all over NYC. Yet no one makes a sound.

    回复:@Justvisiting

  63. @Thea
    @几乎密苏里州

    Have you read the Norvelt books by Jack Gantos? They unfortunately advocate socialism and add some modern wokeness that no one in 1939 likely felt BUT clearly describe the working families those towns were built to house and demographic collapse a generation later.

    For something designed to give the working man dignity those communities sure sucked the life out of their residents.

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    Can’t say as I have. Is this the same Gantos that Wiki describes as a children’s book author?

    • 回复: @Thea
    @几乎密苏里州

    Yes I read them to my kids. He was a boomer yet somehow the town had very few other children and many elderly by the 1960s so my guess is the despair of welfare.

  64. @Bill B.
    OT

    Since when did Saudi Arabia become a "hostile power"?

    “Abouammo acted in secret as an agent of a foreign government targeting dissenting voices,” said Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “This verdict shows that the Justice Department will not tolerate any act of transnational repression and will hold accountable those who aid hostile regimes in extending their reach to our shores.”
     
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-twitter-employee-found-guilty-acting-agent-foreign-government-and-unlawfully-sharing

    回复:@Almost Missouri

    Since when did Saudi Arabia become a “hostile power”?

    自从他们 得罪了 an acolyte of the West’s priestly class.

  65. I was surprised at Steve’s tweet about gun carrying. “Gun violence” and gun carrying have very little to do with each other, because actually there is no such thing as “gun violence”, there is only people violence. No gun has ever shot anyone without some person pulling the trigger.

    The reason that blacks in big cities have more people violence is that the lowest functioning blacks are concentrated there. When mechanical reapers replaced the cotton picking blacks of the Deep South, the surplus population was shipped off to Northern big cities where there was temporary demand for this sort of mindless labor.

    Generally speaking the most violent kind of blacks do not like living in small, mostly white, rural towns – there is no tolerance there for their bad behavior. Long before they shoot anyone, they will get locked up for the sort of anti-social behavior that wouldn’t even get you a ticket in Chicago.

    Many years ago when I was a student living in NY I took a bus to visit my parents in semi-rural NJ. In the back of the bus was a NY ghetto teen doing all sorts of stereotypical ghetto crap – talking loudly, playing loud music, throwing food wrappers on the floor, etc. The topper came when he took out a joint and proceeded to smoke it (this was decades before cannabis was legalized but after the time you could smoke tobacco on a bus). I assume that he thought that he was still on a city bus and this was just normal behavior for him or maybe this is just how he acted everywhere.

    As I got off the bus, I happened to see a local cop and I pointed out the annoying reefer bearing Negro to him and they arrested him immediately. I don’t think he spent 30 seconds on the ground in rural NJ before he was in the back of a cop car.

    TBH, I had (and have) nothing against the smoking of natural herbs in the correct setting. What bothered me was his completely unconstrained behavior. He really needed to be taught a lesson in how you are supposed to act when they let you out of the zoo and out among civilized humans. Even the most feral of ghetto blacks respond to the carrot and the stick and this young fellow needed some stick at that particular moment.

    • 同意: Occasional lurker
    • 回复: @Joe Stalin
    @杰克D


    “Gun violence” and gun carrying have very little to do with each other, because actually there is no such thing as “gun violence”, there is only people violence.
     
    So, the basically, the cosmopolitans have succeeded in substituting "Gun violence" in order to further their aim of the disarmament of the general populace rather than putting the onus on murderous Black activities... so, 重罪黑枪声 should be the preferred phraseology if the TPTB wanted non-euphemistic reporting.

    Waiting for hell to freeze over RIGHT NOW.

    回复:@Jack D

  66. The old MyPostingCareer line was that blacks as a population are particularly victimized by what they called “SCALE”.

  67. @Thoughts
    It's the Pottery Barn Effect

    At the end of the day, everyone just wants a nice house and to decorate it from Pottery Barn

    Replies: @Total Kneegro Fatigue

    It’s the Pottery Barn Effect

    At the end of the day, everyone just wants a nice house and to decorate it from Pottery Barn

    Herein lies the problem… while many of US are willing to put in the necessary work to make us homeowners (building our credit score, saving up the down payment and then following through to make the mortgage payments for 15, 20, 30 years), while the “others” who harbor an entitlement mentality believe they should be handed the same for free, without having to lift a single finger to own said dwelling themselves.

  68. @International Jew
    彼得·约翰逊(Peter Johnson)

    True that. And right now in the US, between welfare, affirmative action, plaques-for-blacks and defacto immunity from the law, conditions are perfect for the quick evolution of a spectacularly dysfunctional black nation-within-a-nation.

    Replies: @Total Kneegro Fatigue

    #53

    I agree with you on that point 100%..!!!

  69. @Rob McX
    @智能此在


    在数千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力的历史渊源是最近的。
     
    In 告别施舍, Gregory Clark 解释了自工业革命以来人类生物学是如何发生变化的,以使英国和其他工业化国家的人们不那么暴力。 他展示了由此产生的文化变化如何放大了这一点。 没有读过这本书,我不能说他的论点有多有效。

    就南美国家而言,它们与美国存在着很大的种族差异。 他们的人口中有更多的美洲印第安人和非洲血统与原始的欧洲血统混合在一起。

    回复:@偶尔潜伏者

    I never found a Farewell to Alms very convincing, considering (among other things) that in my European country, the process of violence reduction went on long after the mechanisms assumed in the book were gone or counteracted by others. It’s possible that the propensity to impulsivity/adventure-seeking varies somewhat genetically between populations (as it does between indiviuduals), but environmental influences are clearly very powerful here and might be enough to explain the phenomena. We just don’t know yet. West Africa and American native culture were high violence tribal cultures, this may be difficult to overcome in a few generations, especially in a high Gini coefficient society. Think Germanic tribals of Roman times. Possibly there are also epigenetic effects of high violence societies that need to be overridden.

    • 谢谢: Rob McX
  70. According to cops, blacks shoot each other mainly because of ‘stupid sh*t.’ It’s mostly one black saying something that really ticks off another, and a gun comes out and . Not even the drug trade generates the majority of the killings, it’s simple and plain hurt feelings.

    Blacks, being low IQ, low impulse control, unperceptive of other peoples’ feelings, and having poor manners due to a ghetto upbringing, really get on each other’s nerves when they’re concentrated together. Rural blacks are more spread out, and there are fewer of them to annoy each other.

    • 回复: @Anon
    @阿农

    If you spend time around blacks you'll notice how they aren't nice to each other. They will gang up and pick on another black about acne, clothes, anything until the resentful victim lashes out.

    回复:@Peter Akuleyev

  71. @Reg Cæsar

    rural NonCore
     
    "Noncore" sounds like a literary genre, or a section in the record store on Spotify

    Guns are, if anything, rarer in metro Louisville.

     

    It's Ground Zero for a certain other popular weapon, though.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUQPIcrXsAQUsOR.jpg:large

    回复:@Joe Stalin

    What? Does that put Chicago’s METAL bat in just the Little League at best? Horrors!

  72. @Jack D
    I was surprised at Steve's tweet about gun carrying. "Gun violence" and gun carrying have very little to do with each other, because actually there is no such thing as "gun violence", there is only people violence. No gun has ever shot anyone without some person pulling the trigger.

    The reason that blacks in big cities have more people violence is that the lowest functioning blacks are concentrated there. When mechanical reapers replaced the cotton picking blacks of the Deep South, the surplus population was shipped off to Northern big cities where there was temporary demand for this sort of mindless labor.

    Generally speaking the most violent kind of blacks do not like living in small, mostly white, rural towns - there is no tolerance there for their bad behavior. Long before they shoot anyone, they will get locked up for the sort of anti-social behavior that wouldn't even get you a ticket in Chicago.

    Many years ago when I was a student living in NY I took a bus to visit my parents in semi-rural NJ. In the back of the bus was a NY ghetto teen doing all sorts of stereotypical ghetto crap - talking loudly, playing loud music, throwing food wrappers on the floor, etc. The topper came when he took out a joint and proceeded to smoke it (this was decades before cannabis was legalized but after the time you could smoke tobacco on a bus). I assume that he thought that he was still on a city bus and this was just normal behavior for him or maybe this is just how he acted everywhere.

    As I got off the bus, I happened to see a local cop and I pointed out the annoying reefer bearing Negro to him and they arrested him immediately. I don't think he spent 30 seconds on the ground in rural NJ before he was in the back of a cop car.

    TBH, I had (and have) nothing against the smoking of natural herbs in the correct setting. What bothered me was his completely unconstrained behavior. He really needed to be taught a lesson in how you are supposed to act when they let you out of the zoo and out among civilized humans. Even the most feral of ghetto blacks respond to the carrot and the stick and this young fellow needed some stick at that particular moment.

    回复:@Joe Stalin

    “Gun violence” and gun carrying have very little to do with each other, because actually there is no such thing as “gun violence”, there is only people violence.

    So, the basically, the cosmopolitans have succeeded in substituting “Gun violence” in order to further their aim of the disarmament of the general populace rather than putting the onus on murderous Black activities… so, 重罪黑枪声 should be the preferred phraseology if the TPTB wanted non-euphemistic reporting.

    Waiting for hell to freeze over RIGHT NOW.

    • 回复: @Jack D
    @乔·斯大林

    I would say Felonious Blacks Firing Guns.

    Gunfire sounds too passive tense - "Gunfire erupted", like it's coming from a volcano and not from the hands of (mostly black) men.

  73. @Rooster16
    @RG卡马拉

    The government/cities essentially provide everything to blacks from cradle to grave. The system relies on having blacks close to amenities, it would literally collapse due to logistical restraints if blacks were more spread out; thus the uproar about “food deserts”. Even if blacks were moved to rural locations, government assistance buildings would soon start to pop up near the largest congregation of them, and soon after the blacks would congregate around them… a modern version of the chicken and the egg scenario.

    回复:@Anon

    Yes, definitely. Many American Indians started living close to the local white trader/ Indian agent for the same reason. That was where the all the goodies were. If you’ve ever read memoirs about the old West, many Indians moved to where the handouts were, whereupon they switched to a lifestyle where they spent a lot time shambling around drunk.

    Giving people what they crave most can be a disaster for a society, and the white love of meth, fentanyl, and pot is a good example.

    Human beings are programmed so that the chase is ultimately better for your physical and mental health than the reward. Once you achieve a life of nothing but rewards, you tend to fall apart.

  74. @Cosmohicks
    "White biology has not changed for thousands of years of recorded history, but white relative nonviolence is of very recent historical provenance."

    Yep. This means if Steven Pinker was right (he is) black violence was a problem we could largely solve, even if Charles Murray was right (he is.) Just don't go around undermining confidence in police lolol!

    It's funny how Pinker opened up new avenues for "anti-racists" to argue how culture profoundly re-wires mentality that could be used to combat Charles Murray or (hiss!) Steve Sailer, but everyone's too illiterate to read that 800 page book, so it's all hack academic cliches from 1975 still. Incredible late Soviet intellectual lethargy.

    回复:@anon

    有趣的是,平克如何为“反种族主义者”开辟新途径来争论文化如何深刻地重新连接心态

    是“有趣”还是方便? 犹太人不希望白人欣赏他们的 DNA 和其他人的 DNA 的重要性。

  75. There’s a large difference in homicide rates in NYC boroughs:

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @粗暴的


    There’s a large difference in homicide rates in NYC boroughs
     
    Pretty much correlates with density.
  76. Those are weird locality designations (metro, fringe metro, etc), at least for the purposes you’re using them here.

    There’s an excellent tool for identifying racial demographics, from national level down through state, county, down to “census block” level, which is pretty much a neighborhood.

    https://www.city-data.com/
    (Go to the pull-down menu just above the embedded map. Start with “Data: Races: Black alone %”. It visualizes the data really well.)

    You can identify geographic locations (county, city, neighborhood) that have a high percentage of blacks, with the exact percentage provided. Then you could match those locations (say, over 80% black) with murder statistics.

    Then do the same with high white locales and murder statistics.

    You’d be better off using BOTH murder victims AND offenders, to capture a better overall view of the correlations.

    It would take a bit of research time, but your results would be much more useful than the CDC numbers you use here.

  77. @Mike Tre
    大而高密度的城市显然夸大了各种形式的负面人类行为。 谋杀、袭击、盗窃,还有同性恋、变性、吸毒(至少在处方类阿片类药物泛滥之前),以及一般的破坏性左派/进步意识形态。

    回复:@Stan Adams

    不,但我读过 源头 由 Ayn Rand 执导,我看过由 King Vidor 执导并由 Gary Cooper、Patricia Neal 和 Raymond Massey 主演的电影。

    事后看来,当霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 发现黑客建筑师在他的粗野主义裸露混凝土住宅项目的精彩计划中添加了几个俗气的希腊雕像时,霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 进入了完全的疯狂轰炸机模式,这很有趣。 在现实生活中,这些雕像会在居民抵达后的几周内被砸成碎片。

    IIRC有一个场景 虚荣的篝火 汤姆沃尔夫提到,一个住宅项目的乌托邦设计师种树并放置长凳,希望受压迫的穷人能享受一个坐下来放松的好地方。 充满活力的人在一个月内剥光了树木并拆除了长椅。

    • 回复: @Stan Adams
    @斯坦·亚当斯

    显然,我是想回复 Thea 的评论。

  78. @Pixo
    Kentucky and WV are outliers in the high white ancestry of their black population and low socioeconomic status of whites.

    Lower IQ slaves in KY were sold down south where there was lower runaway risk and more profitable cotton plantations. That left a black population that was higher IQ household servants and skilled craftsmen, who were also heavily the mixed race descendants of slaveowners.

    回复:@AnotherDad

    Lower IQ slaves in KY were sold down south where there was lower runaway risk and more profitable cotton plantations. That left a black population that was higher IQ household servants and skilled craftsmen, who were also heavily the mixed race descendants of slaveowners.

    The first time I was in Mississippi, it was noticeable to me that many blacks looked “blacker”–darker, more African, less white–than the ones I had been around and worked with in Cincinnati and elsewhere.

    Some of the dark is just sunshine. Some of it is no doubt cultural–how one carries oneself, talks. But pretty sure there is a net admixture issue. Selection probably both under slavery and in the get-up-and-go to head north.

    The genetics of black Americans and correlation with other metrics of traits/behavior/socio-economics would be interesting but is probably not at the top of anyone’s research agenda.

  79. @Colin Wright
    “肯塔基州路易斯维尔的黑人被其他黑人包围,所以他们经常携带非法手枪。 肯塔基州 Dogpatch 的黑人被白人包围,所以他们不经常携带非法手枪。

    这与我发生的事情有关。

    人类是群居动物——并且倾向于遵守邻居建立的规范。

    所以在这里——黑人占人口的 0.3%——他们的行为可以说比白人平均水平差,但他们或多或少符合我们相当温和的社会期望。 不要真的射击你的邻居等。

    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。

    回复:@Peter Johnson,@Muggles

    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。

    是的,这让我想起了我职业生涯的陆军中士爸爸告诉我他在朝鲜战争中的经历。

    他说,如果黑人分布稀疏,一个或两个小单位,一般没有问题。 但如果你有四个或更多,他们往往会聚集在一起,表现得像“黑人”(或当时的黑人),变得响亮、愚蠢和粗心。

    他说,由于 NorKor 的狙击手,他们经常会警告这些团体保持安静。

    但他说他们经常没有这样做,因此承担了后果。

    我注意到,在有几个黑人的工作区,他们迟早会挤在一起,变得吵闹。 这就像“他们不能做自己”,主要是白人。

    这很可能会转化为城市与农村的犯罪率。

    • 同意: Colin Wright
    • 回复: @Wielgus
    @麻瓜

    让他们的整个隔离单位排成一列是敌人突破的秘诀,这就是隔离在朝鲜战争期间正式结束的原因。

    回复:@Art Deco

  80. Steve, it would be great if you kept specifically an archive of your “data work” like this terrific excel spreadsheet of homicide/area-type/race from the CDC data.

    You’ve done a lot of really terrific solid stuff like this over the years. Search can–if one can remember what one needs to search for–find some of it. But good to have this data work specifically saved off.

    (I filed this link away to my “demographics” folder and created a separate “crime” subfolder as my demographics folder is bulging. But again, saved off in the Steve’s data archive would be great.)

  81. @George
    Is the drug trade more likely to be associated with blacks in urban areas and whites in rural areas?

    回复:@Jim Bob Lassiter

    Possibly, particularly when talking about drug labs.

  82. When blacks live in large cities, they commit more crimes. But, according to Unz, living in an urban area has a positive causal effect on IQ (for European-Americans). So, perhaps there’s a trade-off.

  83. You missed the obvious one Steve.

    The blacks are obviously much more likely to hit someone in densely populated ares.
    Their aim is shit. Any-one counted the number of dead trees in Rural Kentucky?

    Has anybody ever done any research anywhere anytime that asks the convicted perps “By the way, did you hit the guy you were aiming at”?

    以为没有。

  84. @surly
    There's a large difference in homicide rates in NYC boroughs:

    https://twitter.com/HomicideNyc/status/1558862393458974721

    回复:@Anonymous

    There’s a large difference in homicide rates in NYC boroughs

    Pretty much correlates with density.

  85. @Almost Missouri
    @西娅

    Can't say as I have. Is this the same Gantos that Wiki describes as a children's book author?

    回复:@Thea

    Yes I read them to my kids. He was a boomer yet somehow the town had very few other children and many elderly by the 1960s so my guess is the despair of welfare.

  86. @Ralph L
    I believe your second from the right column is mislabeled.

    Shocking that 22% of whites still live in big cities.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Fred C Dobbs

    Assuming the “Large” cutoff is a central city population of over 500,000: Despite completely bombed out places like Cleveland and Detroit, and mostly bombed-out, like Philadelphia, there are some large cities like Denver and Phoenix that are still mostly decent.

  87. Just to be safe, probably better to avoid the country variety, too.

  88. @AnotherDad

    由于在大城市生活得更多,黑人凶杀率会下降多少?
     
    Definitely worse, but not much, much worse.

    There isn't much doubt that there's a completely dysfunction urban black culture that brings out the shooty.

    But there is also a lot of selection that's going on here. Blacks that need "action" have boiled off to the cities. (Kinda like the Amish boil off.) Blacks who are still doing the rural are mentally more suited to it. They are still way more shooty than whites, but they aren't the most problematic of blacks.

    ~~~

    I think Mr. Reilly's is absolutely right on his answer to you on guns. In rural Kentucky both the whites and blacks will have guns.

    It's just that rural Kentucky whites are a bit more "vibrant" than the typical rural white American. (They're much more likely to be Scots-Irish.) While the rural Kentucky blacks are both
    -- aware of some of that redneck honor culture--don't be a big dick or you may get your ass shot off-- and have ordinary familiarity with guns, taking them seriously
    -- and the biggest dicks have boiled off to Louisville

    Together basically the result is rural Kentucky blacks are more like their peer whites than elsewhere.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @LP5, @Fred C Dobbs

    Re: Kentucky and its “Born Fightin” Scots-Irish population: If you find yourself cuttin’ a rug down at a place called the Jug with a girl named Linda Lou…..

    You might later find yourself pleading….Gimme three steps, give me three steps, Mister….give me three steps toward the door…..”

  89. @JimDandy
    if blacks were distributed in the same proportions of urbanization as whites, that the black to white homicide ratio would fall by 10% from 8.0 to 7.2, which isn’t trivial but not huge either.

    Yeah, probably. "isn't trivial but not huge either." is a very good way of saying it.

    回复:@James讲话

    I think this shows the 战斗或逃跑 mechanism at work. In a rural setting, negro on negro antagonism (NONA), the precursor to negro on negro violence (NONV), is much less than in an urban setting due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF). Basically, your average rural negro (ARN) has to walk farther to locate another ARN to engage in mutual antagonism. Hence, the lower rate of negro on negro projectile activity (NONPA).

    Hope this helps. (HTH)

    • 回复: @James Speaks
    @詹姆斯讲

    Or, as we said in college:

    Negro on the left
    Negro on the right
    Negro in the middle
    战斗
    战斗
    战斗

    , @JimDandy
    @詹姆斯讲

    That's very helpful, thanks, professor. And speaking of fighting and flighting one thing that I don't think got taken into consideration here is the increasing levels of black flight. Lots of blacks are leaving the cities, and reason tells me that these are generally the less criminal/animalistic urban blacks who instantly become non-urban blacks who don't commit as much crime. Eh, I could go on, but you're a renowned blackologist, I'm sure you get my drift.

    回复:@James讲话

  90. @James Speaks
    @吉姆丹迪

    I think this shows the 战斗或逃跑 mechanism at work. In a rural setting, negro on negro antagonism (NONA), the precursor to negro on negro violence (NONV), is much less than in an urban setting due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF). Basically, your average rural negro (ARN) has to walk farther to locate another ARN to engage in mutual antagonism. Hence, the lower rate of negro on negro projectile activity (NONPA).

    Hope this helps. (HTH)

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JimDandy

    Or, as we said in college:

    Negro on the left
    Negro on the right
    Negro in the middle
    战斗
    战斗
    战斗

  91. @Joe Stalin
    @杰克D


    “Gun violence” and gun carrying have very little to do with each other, because actually there is no such thing as “gun violence”, there is only people violence.
     
    So, the basically, the cosmopolitans have succeeded in substituting "Gun violence" in order to further their aim of the disarmament of the general populace rather than putting the onus on murderous Black activities... so, 重罪黑枪声 should be the preferred phraseology if the TPTB wanted non-euphemistic reporting.

    Waiting for hell to freeze over RIGHT NOW.

    回复:@Jack D

    I would say Felonious Blacks Firing Guns.

    Gunfire sounds too passive tense – “Gunfire erupted”, like it’s coming from a volcano and not from the hands of (mostly black) men.

  92. Since the Rushdie post is several posts backs, here’s another case for the National Immigration Safety Board to investigate:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110983/PICTURED-Driver-plowed-community-fundraiser-killing-one-person-injuring-17-more.html

    Adrian Oswaldo Sura Reyes, 24, was charged Sunday with two counts of homicide and is being held without bail
    Pennsylvania State Police say he intentionally plowed his car into a community fundraiser, killing one person and injuring 17 others Saturday night
    He then allegedly fled the scene and was found moments later bludgeoning his mother to death with a hammer

    Oswaldo is the one wearing blue in the middle.

    • 回复: @J.Ross
    @杰克D

    This guy allegedly started the fire which was the basis of the fundraiser, then attacked the people affected by the fire there, then killed his mother because she wouldn't give him money. An anonymous commenter observed that this was the collapse of the Maslovian hierarchy of needs. You know, this guy sounds like he's kind of a real jerk.

    , @Bill Jones
    @杰克D

    The Stage left trooper isn't wearing his name tag. What was the production assistant thinking?

  93. @James Speaks
    @吉姆丹迪

    I think this shows the 战斗或逃跑 mechanism at work. In a rural setting, negro on negro antagonism (NONA), the precursor to negro on negro violence (NONV), is much less than in an urban setting due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF). Basically, your average rural negro (ARN) has to walk farther to locate another ARN to engage in mutual antagonism. Hence, the lower rate of negro on negro projectile activity (NONPA).

    Hope this helps. (HTH)

    Replies: @James Speaks, @JimDandy

    That’s very helpful, thanks, professor. And speaking of fighting and flighting one thing that I don’t think got taken into consideration here is the increasing levels of black flight. Lots of blacks are leaving the cities, and reason tells me that these are generally the less criminal/animalistic urban blacks who instantly become non-urban blacks who don’t commit as much crime. Eh, I could go on, but you’re a renowned blackologist, I’m sure you get my drift.

    • 同意: James Speaks
    • 回复: @James Speaks
    @吉姆丹迪


    due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF).
     
    I stand corrected. Not only is it the lower average rural negro density, but also the average lower antagonism per negro?
  94. @Almost Missouri
    @justvisiting.

    Restrictive covenants have been illegal and unenforceable in the US for decades, even before the [anti-]Civil Rights revolution. But yes, homeowners associations/clubs with “membership” and “vetting” of members is a way to do restrictive covenants without being seen to do restrictive covenants.

    正如我所说 别处, against the rising tide of diversity, civilization will increasingly have to organize itself into associations, clubs, gated communities (what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?), affinity marketing groups, etc. in order to carry out the ordinary discretion that everyone practiced for millennia but is now anathematized by the armed woke theocracy.

    回复:@Charon

    what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?

    They are much more: they are restrictive covenants on steroids. If it weren’t for the implications for livability on Park Avenue, and the nature of the residents there, co-ops would have been trashed by the courts many years ago.

    The process is completely opaque, redolent of extreme privilege, and results in extreme disparities. Yet untouchable. And despite my mention of Park Avenue, co-ops are all over NYC. Yet no one makes a sound.

    • 回复: @Justvisiting
    @夏隆


    They are much more: they are restrictive covenants on steroids. If it weren’t for the implications for livability on Park Avenue, and the nature of the residents there, co-ops would have been trashed by the courts many years ago.
     
    Agree--the warmer climate golf course communities have also mastered the skill of restrictive covenants.

    This is a classic case of where the "law" against restrictive covenants is a hilarious joke.

    Third world countries are places where the written law and street practice have extreme divergence--we are getting there fast.

    This divergence requires bribery of public officials to keep their paws off--it cannot work without it.

    (A free or deeply discounted unit in such a community has been known to be a very effective long term bribe.)
  95. OT: From “Scientific” American:

    文化偏见扭曲了对外星生命的探索

    SETI scientists are grappling with the disquieting notion that, much like their intellectual forebears, their search may somehow be undermined by biases they only dimly perceive—biases that could, for instance, be related to the misunderstanding and mistreatment of Indigenous peoples and other marginalized groups that occurred during the development of modern astronomy and many other scientific fields…

    SETI concerns listening to alien civilizations, ideally, but we also have to get better at listening to Earthlings! We’re not very good at that right now, but we’re starting to move in that direction. There are members of the SETI community, myself included, who are very interested in listening to marginalized and historically excluded perspectives.

    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon7

    谢谢

  96. @Hangnail Hans
    @波利斯特拉

    ((They)) won't allow us to separate. Ever.

    The mere thought that any of their victims might enjoy a fair measure of freedom is total anathema. It might cause a fissure in their 'project'.

    Hence, "white separatist" is one of the most hated notions in our society.

    回复:@Rob Lee

    Of course. You couldn’t play a very effective game of chess with only one side. You have to have both black and white pieces for a proper game.

  97. @Charon
    @几乎密苏里州


    what are Manhattan co-ops but vertical gated communities?

     

    They are much more: they are restrictive covenants on steroids. If it weren't for the implications for livability on Park Avenue, and the nature of the residents there, co-ops would have been trashed by the courts many years ago.

    The process is completely opaque, redolent of extreme privilege, and results in extreme disparities. Yet untouchable. And despite my mention of Park Avenue, co-ops are all over NYC. Yet no one makes a sound.

    回复:@Justvisiting

    They are much more: they are restrictive covenants on steroids. If it weren’t for the implications for livability on Park Avenue, and the nature of the residents there, co-ops would have been trashed by the courts many years ago.

    Agree–the warmer climate golf course communities have also mastered the skill of restrictive covenants.

    This is a classic case of where the “law” against restrictive covenants is a hilarious joke.

    Third world countries are places where the written law and street practice have extreme divergence–we are getting there fast.

    This divergence requires bribery of public officials to keep their paws off–it cannot work without it.

    (A free or deeply discounted unit in such a community has been known to be a very effective long term bribe.)

  98. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day — spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    What would be wrong with a renaissance of the Workhouse, the County Farm, and the Home for Unwed Mothers?

  99. @Colin Wright
    ...of course, the converse also seems to happen.

    Put whites around a large black population, and they'll start conforming to black norms.

    当学校整合时,这一点就被注意到了。 希望所有这些白人孩子都能提高黑人的学习成绩。

    Actually, all those black kids led to declines in white academic performance. Less tangibly, in integrated communities I've noticed white drivers starting to copy blackisms: pulling out half way across a busy street and blocking traffic while waiting for a break in the traffic flowing the other way, for example.

    回复:@SaneClownPosse

    The rise of the “wiggers”.

  100. @Anon7
    OT: From “Scientific” American:

    文化偏见扭曲了对外星生命的探索

    SETI scientists are grappling with the disquieting notion that, much like their intellectual forebears, their search may somehow be undermined by biases they only dimly perceive—biases that could, for instance, be related to the misunderstanding and mistreatment of Indigenous peoples and other marginalized groups that occurred during the development of modern astronomy and many other scientific fields…

    SETI concerns listening to alien civilizations, ideally, but we also have to get better at listening to Earthlings! We're not very good at that right now, but we're starting to move in that direction. There are members of the SETI community, myself included, who are very interested in listening to marginalized and historically excluded perspectives.
     

    回复:@Steve Sailer

    谢谢

  101. Reilly doesn’t know what an illegal gun is, or doesn’t know the significance of having an illegal gun. A gun is a gun, same as any other, right?

  102. My homicide number of interest is stranger killings.

    My area of interest a suburb of almost 100K with less than 10 percent black.

    25 years 5 stranger deaths. Blacks killed 4. 3 white. 1 hispanic.

    Do the stats reflect deaths at the hands of strangers?

  103. @Stan Adams
    @迈克·特雷

    不,但我读过 源头 由 Ayn Rand 执导,我看过由 King Vidor 执导并由 Gary Cooper、Patricia Neal 和 Raymond Massey 主演的电影。

    事后看来,当霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 发现黑客建筑师在他的粗野主义裸露混凝土住宅项目的精彩计划中添加了几个俗气的希腊雕像时,霍华德·罗克 (Howard Roark) 进入了完全的疯狂轰炸机模式,这很有趣。 在现实生活中,这些雕像会在居民抵达后的几周内被砸成碎片。

    IIRC有一个场景 虚荣的篝火 汤姆沃尔夫提到,一个住宅项目的乌托邦设计师种树并放置长凳,希望受压迫的穷人能享受一个坐下来放松的好地方。 充满活力的人在一个月内剥光了树木并拆除了长椅。

    回复:@Stan Adams

    显然,我是想回复 Thea 的评论。

  104. @JimDandy
    @詹姆斯讲

    That's very helpful, thanks, professor. And speaking of fighting and flighting one thing that I don't think got taken into consideration here is the increasing levels of black flight. Lots of blacks are leaving the cities, and reason tells me that these are generally the less criminal/animalistic urban blacks who instantly become non-urban blacks who don't commit as much crime. Eh, I could go on, but you're a renowned blackologist, I'm sure you get my drift.

    回复:@James讲话

    due to the lower negro per capita antagonism density factor (NPCADF).

    I stand corrected. Not only is it the lower average rural negro density, but also the average lower antagonism per negro?

  105. @Anon
    According to cops, blacks shoot each other mainly because of 'stupid sh*t.' It's mostly one black saying something that really ticks off another, and a gun comes out and . Not even the drug trade generates the majority of the killings, it's simple and plain hurt feelings.

    Blacks, being low IQ, low impulse control, unperceptive of other peoples' feelings, and having poor manners due to a ghetto upbringing, really get on each other's nerves when they're concentrated together. Rural blacks are more spread out, and there are fewer of them to annoy each other.

    回复:@Anon

    If you spend time around blacks you’ll notice how they aren’t nice to each other. They will gang up and pick on another black about acne, clothes, anything until the resentful victim lashes out.

    • 回复: @Peter Akuleyev
    @阿农

    And how is that different from white male behavior? Sounds like a typical sports team.

    回复:@Anon

  106. @Jack D
    Since the Rushdie post is several posts backs, here's another case for the National Immigration Safety Board to investigate:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110983/PICTURED-Driver-plowed-community-fundraiser-killing-one-person-injuring-17-more.html


    Adrian Oswaldo Sura Reyes, 24, was charged Sunday with two counts of homicide and is being held without bail
    Pennsylvania State Police say he intentionally plowed his car into a community fundraiser, killing one person and injuring 17 others Saturday night
    He then allegedly fled the scene and was found moments later bludgeoning his mother to death with a hammer

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/14/22/61378281-11110983-image-m-11_1660510819124.jpg

    Oswaldo is the one wearing blue in the middle.

    回复:@J.Ross,@Bill Jones

    This guy allegedly started the fire which was the basis of the fundraiser, then attacked the people affected by the fire there, then killed his mother because she wouldn’t give him money. An anonymous commenter observed that this was the collapse of the Maslovian hierarchy of needs. You know, this guy sounds like he’s kind of a real jerk.

  107. So what’s the answer? Do poverty and density largely explain high rates of violent crime byockquote>

  108. @Thoughts
    If I had to choose whether 40 Billion would go to "Ukraine" or go to American Blacks (to encourage birth rates of good middle class folk)

    I'd choose African Americans every time

    I'd end all foreign aid and send that money straight back into the pockets of the American Middle Class

    回复:@Bill Jones

    Most of that \$40Billion will end up in the pockets of of the American Middle Class.The State Department half will go to grants to Foundations and Universities For Studies and Training, the War Department half on US Mercenary Companies and the good folk at Lockheed.
    It will do a lot more good for Northern Virginia and So-Cal real estate values than Ukrainian ones.

    That Appropriation should have been called The Deep State Funding Bill.

    See if you can suggest a tile for the recent IRS Funding in light of this picture from the IRS “Annual Report”

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-11-irs-annual-report-shows-heavily-armed-agents-training-to-shoot-people.html

  109. People behave best in their ancestral conditions. How were they living 500 years ago? For blacks, that is always rural. For some whites, the town is more the natural habitat. The same could be said for climate. The worst behaved whites are in the South, and the worst behaved blacks are in Detroit and Chicago. Uproot people and they go loopy.

  110. @Jack D
    Since the Rushdie post is several posts backs, here's another case for the National Immigration Safety Board to investigate:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110983/PICTURED-Driver-plowed-community-fundraiser-killing-one-person-injuring-17-more.html


    Adrian Oswaldo Sura Reyes, 24, was charged Sunday with two counts of homicide and is being held without bail
    Pennsylvania State Police say he intentionally plowed his car into a community fundraiser, killing one person and injuring 17 others Saturday night
    He then allegedly fled the scene and was found moments later bludgeoning his mother to death with a hammer

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/14/22/61378281-11110983-image-m-11_1660510819124.jpg

    Oswaldo is the one wearing blue in the middle.

    回复:@J.Ross,@Bill Jones

    The Stage left trooper isn’t wearing his name tag. What was the production assistant thinking?

  111. @Anon
    @阿农

    If you spend time around blacks you'll notice how they aren't nice to each other. They will gang up and pick on another black about acne, clothes, anything until the resentful victim lashes out.

    回复:@Peter Akuleyev

    And how is that different from white male behavior? Sounds like a typical sports team.

    • 回复: @Anon
    彼得·阿库利耶夫(Peter Akuleyev)

    True, but blacks tend to take it up a notch as Steve's meticulous data gathering has shown us over the years.

  112. @Muggles
    @科林·赖特


    但是把所有的黑人放在一起,然后……嗯。
     
    是的,这让我想起了我职业生涯的陆军中士爸爸告诉我他在朝鲜战争中的经历。

    他说,如果黑人分布稀疏,一个或两个小单位,一般没有问题。 但如果你有四个或更多,他们往往会聚集在一起,表现得像“黑人”(或当时的黑人),变得响亮、愚蠢和粗心。

    他说,由于 NorKor 的狙击手,他们经常会警告这些团体保持安静。

    但他说他们经常没有这样做,因此承担了后果。

    我注意到,在有几个黑人的工作区,他们迟早会挤在一起,变得吵闹。 这就像“他们不能做自己”,主要是白人。

    这很可能会转化为城市与农村的犯罪率。

    回复:@Wielgus

    让他们的整个隔离单位排成一列是敌人突破的秘诀,这就是隔离在朝鲜战争期间正式结束的原因。

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @威格斯

    Two years prior to the Korean War.

    回复:@Wielgus

  113. @Peter Johnson
    关于人类进化速度的新证据表明,它可以在几个世纪而不是几千年的时间内迅速发生。 你的论点“但这不可能是真的。在几千年的历史记录中,白人生物学并没有改变,但白人相对非暴力是最近的历史渊源。”不再与证据一致。 在几代人中,遗传变异的频率分布可以导致社会行为模式发生可观察到的变化。

    回复:@International Jew,@Intelligent Dasein,@Peter Johnson

    See Paolo Shirasi’s twitter thread on this common misunderstanding. The misconception that human evolution is extremely slow was concocted by the American Marxist propagandist Stephen J. Gould, and spread like wildfire due its political convenience. Gould’s deception still lives on, in the face of ever-growing contrary evidence.

  114. If I understand the data in New York correctly, density has some relationship with frequency of homicide, but the observable association is much weaker than that with racial composition or with the law enforcement regime. Where you see the relationship between density and crime rates big time, it’s in regard to robbery.

  115. Note that Kentucky has a proportionately small black population. Blacks resident in small towns and rural areas are a self-selected population willing to live in areas where there aren’t many other blacks. That does indicate something about their sensibility and assessment of others which suggests in turn that they resemble more the surrounding society than do blacks who congregate.

    • 同意: Peter Johnson
  116. @Almost Missouri
    Wouldn't the easier way to come at this question be to look at the homicide rates in mostly black rural counties (or census tracts if such crime stat granularity exists) and compare it with homicide rates in mostly black metro areas?

    I suspect the result will be about the same as above: rural blacks less murdery than urban blacks but still more murdery than whites. As per AnotherDad's explanation, part of this is probably a result of boiling off: the hotter heads "going to town", but what would be interesting is to find a density coefficient that would predict—all else being equal—how much crime goes up as population density increases.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @kaganovitch, @Wade Hampton

    When I lived in NC, I did a similar analysis to the one you describe. The NC State Bureau of Investigation maintains crime statistics (including murder) by county. It’s easy enough to get county population and demographic data.

    NC is an interesting State in the there are heavily black and mostly rural counties in the Eastern Coastal Plain because that’s where the antebellum plantations were. The big cities, Charlotte-Gastonia, Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem and Raleigh-Durham, are in the Central part of the State called the Piedmont. The big cities occupied their own counties and were pretty black. The Piedmont outside the big cities was pretty rural, not as black as the Piedmont cities, but nowhere near as black as many of the Coastal Counties. While there was a lot of agriculture in the Piedmont, there weren’t the big plantations. Then the Western part of the state was mostly mountainous and completely unsuitable for plantations. No big cities and not a lot of blacks.

    So you got a good spread of urban-heavily-black, urban-somewhat-black, rural-heavily-black, rural-no-blacks. There was no ambiguity in the results. If you wanted to get yourself killed, live in a heavily black county. Either urban or rural. It did not matter at all. The blacker, the more likely you were to get murdered. In fact, the county in the state with the worst murder rate was heavily-black-rural. Durham was in the top 5 though.

  117. @R.G. Camara
    In this respect, the giant black housing projects of the New Deal/post WW2 era---such as Cabrini-Green projects in Chicago and the Calliope Projects in New Orleans--- would seem to have caused far more black violence and instability than they resolved by packing blacks in tighter and closer together in dense urban environments.

    Which is ironic, since many of the true believing commies and hippies thought such large black-dominated projects would come to give poor blacks a "community" and reduce their racist oppression and make them be able to become wealthy and less-violent-ridden.

    So a solution to urban black crime would be similar to what the British did back in the day --- spread out and scatter housing projects out to the country, making black populations far less dense.

    But the problem is -- American blacks today really, seem to like living in cities versus the country. Not only is "country" an insult American blacks toss around to this day, but American blacks really can't understand why European Americans seem to have this longing for a Jeffersonian/simple farm life.

    "40 Acres and a Mule" sounds like a punishment to modern blacks. Malcom X's description of himself in his autobiography moving from the country to the city and going from hick hayseed to sophisticated urban slickster is emblematic of black feelings on the subject (X's Autobiography was largely fictional jive talk by a great hustler, but the story was meant to embody many blacks' feelings about city v. country and struck a cord amongst black readers).

    So blacks would really resist this, and probably skeedaddle back to the cities when they could.

    Plus lots of D's and "community organizers" and Marxists professors would get up in a rage at their black concentrations of voters/rioters being dispersed in the wind.

    Replies: @Anon, @Rob McX, @Rooster16, @Almost Missouri, @Boy the way Glenn Miller played, @Nick Granite

    Well let’s be honest. 40 acres and a mule sounds like a hell of a lot of work.

  118. @Wielgus
    @麻瓜

    让他们的整个隔离单位排成一列是敌人突破的秘诀,这就是隔离在朝鲜战争期间正式结束的原因。

    回复:@Art Deco

    Two years prior to the Korean War.

    • 回复: @Wielgus
    @艺术装饰

    Still traces of it in 1950-1.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    I believe there was another regiment that had a black battalion and their fortitude in combat was questioned, too. Basically unit segregation was entirely finished off in 1951 after some unhappy experiences.

  119. @Peter Akuleyev
    @阿农

    And how is that different from white male behavior? Sounds like a typical sports team.

    回复:@Anon

    True, but blacks tend to take it up a notch as Steve’s meticulous data gathering has shown us over the years.

  120. @Art Deco
    @威格斯

    Two years prior to the Korean War.

    回复:@Wielgus

    Still traces of it in 1950-1.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    I believe there was another regiment that had a black battalion and their fortitude in combat was questioned, too. Basically unit segregation was entirely finished off in 1951 after some unhappy experiences.

  121. What’s the age profile of blacks in rural areas? The difference in crime rates is most pronounced among males aged 15-35. Are there a bunch old black Joes out in the countryside who may have had a checkered past (though not so checkered as the ones who died in gang spats), but have calmed down in their old age?

  122. Is there any way to increase the number of Wilfred Reillys in the academy and find other work for, well, most of the rest? Whatever the specifics on policy, the academic interest in thinking and engaging with all others, including the Steve Sailers of the world, seems to be gone in the academy.

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