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来自剑桥大学出版社, 了解种族 由 Rob DeSalle 和 Ian Tattersall 撰写:

人类物种非常年轻,但在很短的时间内,它已经在地球上获得了一些惊人的(如果是生物学表面的)变化。 然而,正如本书所展示的那样,这些生物变异中的任何一个都不能用离散的种族来理解,这些种族实际上并不作为可定义的实体存在。 本书从对进化和自然界多样化机制的考虑开始,转向考察历史上对人类变异的态度,表明只有随着奴隶制的出现,对人类变异的考虑才变得政治化。 然后,它开始考虑种族分类如何应用于基因组研究,证明个体化基因组学是一种更有效的临床治疗方法。 它还显示了种族分层如何无助于我们在基因组或物理水平上理解人类变异现象。

  • 以通俗易懂和理性的方式为普通读者解决关于种族的常见误解
  • 解释为什么种族是纯粹的文化结构,而不是对我们物种的任何可接受的分类分析形式的结果,帮助读者理解为什么种族不是理解人类变异的有用甚至合理的方式

简介:

'DeSalle 和 Tattersall 对人类的民间概念进行了精彩而全面的反驳。 任何认为存在与动物亚种相对应的自然类别的人的人都会将他们的世界观炸成碎片! 北卡罗来纳大学夏洛特分校人类学系乔纳森·马克斯

“理解种族以通俗易懂的方式向读者解释了继续困扰非专业人士和专业人士的所有关于种族的误解。 首先,作者为读者建立了导致所有物种变异的基本进化机制; 然后他们解释了在科学正确解释变异之前人们是如何思考变异的。 这本书引导读者了解种族思维如何随着我们对进化的理解以及理解遗传变异的技术的改进而发生变化。 作者最后提请注意在包括医学在内的各种领域中关于种族的生物变异和社会定义的持续误解。 如果你不读我的书,你应该读他们的; 并且在所有世界中最好的情况下,您都应该阅读两者。 Joseph L. Graves, Jr,北卡罗来纳 A&T 州立大学生物科学教授

前言

通过 Kostas Kampourakis,系列编辑

不幸的是,“种族”一词在应用于人类时会立即让人想起歧视和不平等的情况。 但这并不是由于人类群体之间的任何内在差异,这些群体之间经常被区分为不同的种族。 相反,这是由于偏见——有意识的或无意识的——使人们认为存在内部同质的人类

如果种族在内部不是绝对同质的,那么它们就不存在。

它们又明显不同。

你看,在科学中,我们从不处理任何不明确的事情。 奇数明显不同于偶数,所以奇数和偶数是科学。 [自我注意:在发表之前,请提出更多科学中明显不同且内部同质的事物的示例。 电子?] 如果某物在内部不是同质且明显不同,那么这只是你的意见,伙计,这不是科学。

当试图通过在生物/遗传基础上解释不同人类种族的存在来使这些区别和划分自然化时,情况变得更加复杂。 正如 Robert DeSalle 和 Ian Tattersall 在这本宏伟的书中所解释的那样,从科学的角度来看,这远非准确。 所有可用的证据,尤其是来自人类基因组学的证据,都支持人类遗传变异是连续的,而不是聚集的这一结论。

例如,想想南大西洋的所有岛屿,那里的原住民数万年来都是新大陆印第安人和撒哈拉以南黑人的混合体,在整个大西洋不断变化。

这意味着任何两个人类群体的遗传变异都是重叠的,并且我们共享大部分 DNA。

如果有任何重叠,那就不是科学。 奇数和偶数重叠吗? 我不这么认为。

当然,人类群体之间存在平均差异,

但那些是 团体,而不是种族。

但这些差异不支持人类在基因上不同的人类种族或任何类型的群体中的划分。

自我注意:在发表之前,对这句话多做一些工作:在句首提到“人类群体”似乎与在句尾否认“任何种类的群体”的存在相矛盾.

那么,这是否意味着人类不存在呢? 作者给出的答案是,如果他们这样做,他们依赖于文化而不是生物学。 如果人们决定将自己与外群体区分开来,以支持他们的内群体,这是由选择或文化和教养决定的,而不是我们的遗传背景强加的。 DeSalle 和 Tattersall 邀请您踏上一段美妙的旅程,提供科学证据,证明今天生活的所有人类都是一个大家庭的成员,这个大家庭最近在进化方面发生了进化。

我们都是一个大家庭! 我们与某些家庭成员的关系比与其他家庭成员的关系更密切。

阅读这本书会让你体会到我们有多少共同点,并想知道为什么我们经常坚持关注我们非常微小的差异。

为什么你对非常次要的事情感兴趣? 你这人怎么回事?

来自 DeSalle 和 Tattersall 的序言:

前言

……然而,我们将在本书中论证,从生物学上讲,人类是不存在的。 那是因为,为了让科学能够接近,某些东西不仅必须是可观察的,而且是可定义的,最好是可测量的。

看,人们,这是科学,该死的。 仅仅因为你可以用自己的眼睛观察一大堆事实,这并不意味着科学让你对它们感到好奇。 科学要求,在你思考事实之前,你必须有一个定义。 你有定义吗。

这反过来又要求被观察的实体拥有可识别的边界。

1491年的大西洋? 什么? 你在说什么? 你为什么暗示 1491 年大西洋是种族边界? 1492年发生了什么? 我们不明白。 你只是胡说八道。

而且,正如我们将看到的,人类在生物学水平上根本不符合这一标准。

在科学领域,我们有严格的标准。 这就是为什么我们称它为大写 S 的科学。科学被大写是有原因的,就像黑人一样。 这不像白人因为不科学而不能被大写。

当然,在起源于地球不同地区的人群中,可以观察到遗传物理特征的显着差异,就像构成这些人群的个体之间存在类似的差异一样。 但仔细研究后,这些人群之间的界限逐渐消失,

你永远不会看到真正的科学中的任何东西消失在其他任何东西中。 彩虹的颜色不会相互褪色,是吗? 那是因为彩虹是科学。 种族是 不能 科学。

不仅因为大多数人类的身体特征以连续的方式变化,还因为我们所感知的人类变种——种族——不是自然的构造,而是人类思维的构造。 事实证明,在人类思维之外,种族没有客观的生物存在。

这一切都在你的脑海中。 他们曾经把像你这样的疯子关进疯人院。 如今,你只是无家可归,睡在人行道上。

当然,也许我们人类最显着的独特之处在于我们生活在——至少在大部分时间里——生活在我们在脑海中构建的世界中,而不是生活在大自然直接呈现给我们的世界中。 我们人工构建的世界对我们日常生活的质量和行为至关重要; 事实上,没有它们,我们就无法生活在复杂的内心世界中。 但这使得我们更重要的是要了解通过我们的心理过程过滤的区别何时是自然本身的准确反映,以及它们何时是我们任意代表世界的方式的副产品。

就像我们说的,这一切都在你病态的头脑中。

如果我们要立足于现实,就必须确保我们对周围世界的印象尽可能准确,而不仅仅是我们先入为主的产物,或者我们方便的对象。 现实中的基本基础是科学可以提供的。 在无处不在的种族问题中,科学理解最为重要。 我们希望在这本短书中表明,虽然我们的“种族”概念是基于人类生物学变异这一不可否认的现实——是的,在某些方面,人类确实存在显着差异,如果不是显着的话

谁来决定什么是重要的,什么是不重要的? 嗯……嗯…… We 做。 我们是科学家。

——它们实际上是人类主观感知的产物,在更仔细的审查下消失了。

消失在稀薄的空气中,就像你所有的幻觉一样。 你真的需要寻求帮助。

 
• 类别: 种族/民族, 科学 •标签: 学院, 政治上的正确, 种族现实 
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  1. 所以,即使是嘴唇大小……只是一个都市神话?

    • 哈哈: Jim Christian
    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)


    所以,即使是嘴唇大小
     
    “如果某件事在内部不是同质且明显不同,那么这只是你的意见,伙计,这不是科学。” - 看看,Mod.,这些受过高等教育的头脑在这里做什么? - 请注意,它也是嘴唇大小。 当然是,因为它必须! -

    Lemme ix-plain Mod.: 一切都随之而来 科学的 区别和基于科学的规则,直到所有种类的日常欣赏都呈现为真实的样子:基于主观感受(= 不科学的. 因为科学与简单地感知事物相反:科学高于日常生活; 科学是日常生活的祭坛!

    记住这一点,莫德。 每当您对那些胆小的脾气有疑问时,它都会为您提供帮助 科学家 以及他们完全安抚的调查结果,这确保他们保持自己的地位和物质回报(他们的 爱珍珠哦!-所以!-闪亮的颜色 (汉斯·马格努斯·恩岑斯伯格,在他的诗 感激之泪 (不用补充:深深的讽刺(=非常有趣!诗)!

  2. They’ve rolled out the heavy-hitters for this one – two white guys – just in case you didn’t take the little brown ladies seriously. But it’s still the same old shell game.

    • 同意: bomag
    • 回复: @nokangaroos
    @亨利的猫

    In the US, to get any pertinent "creds" whatsoever you have to be a hardcore
    Boasist (a never-ceasing source of wonderment to Europeans);
    if white and male you just have to cuck twice as hard.
    Museum curators? Affirmative Action American pleeez - if anything curators
    are obsessive-compulsive (hair) 分离器 and not lumpers.
    - 至rise to the top you have to be a registered (read: mutilated)
    member, from Lewontin to Reich (to Reich´s eternal credit he does not insult
    the public intellect more than 绝对 必要的)。

  3. Moar of the “we are all one race, so let’s have a world government and world bank already” garbage.
    I’m sure they are for a legally binding World Health Org that can legally force-vaxx the proles against the latest biolab release. I hope they are vaxxed and boosted personally

    • 哈哈: BB753
  4. In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.

    I’m confused. Is that a striking difference or a significant difference?

    Is that a minor difference that I should ignore or a something I should worry about for my family’s safety?

    Are those differences reality or imaginary differences produced by my racist mind?

    • 哈哈: AlexanderEngUK
    • 回复: @smetana
    @爱国者


    In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.
     
    Sure you're not missing a zero on the end of that multiple? Or multiple zeroes when it comes to homicide, burglary and strong-arm robbery?
    , @J.Ross
    @爱国者

    What crimes do Japanese commit? Insider trading?

    回复:@Mr. 挑剔

    , @miha
    @爱国者

    What are you deducing from your correct observation? Is this crime a cultural habit or a characteristic written into the DNA?

    William Golding's book The Lord of the Flies (1954) helps us think about this: a group of culturally homogenous white English kids from middle class homes wash up on a desert island after their liner is wrecked. Some of the kids form a gang and turn to crime in the form of torture and murder. As anyone who observes children en masse knows, nothing far-fetched in this story given the circumstances. Best to question explanations that fit nicely with our prejudices. The latter may be correct - or not.

    回复:@Art Deco

  5. Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don’t exist. Furthermore, psychologists are evil people.

    • 回复: @Mr. Anon
    @Chrisnonymous


    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don’t exist.
     
    You can apply their logic to a lot of things. Since dusk and dawn both exist, there is no such thing as day or night. Etc., etc.

    回复:@anon

    , @Deogolwulf
    @Chrisnonymous

    As any sane man might tell you, human races are identifiable clusters on a continuum. So too are biological species. If the insanity we suffer could be taken to an even greater extreme by a greater logical consistency, then a man distinguishing between the clusters called 'rabbit' and 'horse' ought to be declared a bigot by the sc!entists in accordance with that greater logical consistency.

    , @res
    @Chrisnonymous

    It applies to so many things it is a known fallacy with several names. I prefer the "Continuum Fallacy," but Wikipedia does not like that one.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AContinuum_fallacy

    Wikipedia puts that under the Sorites paradox.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox#Continuum_fallacy

    P.S. "Hills don't exist" is a useful analogy accessible to everyone. Or the even more relevant "dog breeds don't exist."

    , @Anonymous
    @Chrisnonymous

    Well, autism actually *is* a bullshit undefinable concept that shouldn’t be viewed as scientific. Same with a lot of DSM type vague personality disorders. Race is far far more concrete and the biological connections are clear

    回复:@Curle

  6. Ahaa, I’d thought I’d read of this Dr. Graves guy from NC A&T from you before – The “Race Does Not Exist” Crowd Doesn’t Like Helping Blacks Avoid Kidney Disease.

    BTW, even the oceans you mentioned aren’t so discreet either. Sure, going through the Panama Canal and all, one might believe it, but then the Indian Ocean? What a crock that one is. It’s nothing but SubContinental •Self-aggrandizement!

    There’s no troposphere, stratosphere, or ionosphere either. They all blend together. Anything else is blatant atmospherism and makes me sick… with hypoxia.

  7. I Googled both coauthors. They have impeccable credentials, which leads me to believe that their blind reverence for Africa has made them stupid. I also found their prose to be turgid.

    • 回复: @Dave from Oz
    @Metrictricious

    'turgid' ≠ 'turbid'.

    回复:@Mark Spahn(纽约西塞内卡)

  8. If I asked one of these people: “what kind of dog do you have?” Would they say it’s a “German Sheppard” or a “Chihuahua,” or would they say “FU, unscientific racist, there’s only one kind of dog?”

    • 同意: AlexanderEngUK
    • 哈哈: Escher
    • 回复: @Flying Dutchman
    @ Hypnotoad666


    If I asked one of these people: “what kind of dog do you have?” Would they say it’s a “German Sheppard” or a “Chihuahua,” or would they say “FU, unscientific racist, there’s only one kind of dog?”
     
    I suppose in the case of artificially bred purebreeds they grant the concept, as they certainly do where it comes to eugenic ideology vis humans, as long as the breeding is done in an artificial hi-tech way. Thus the overwhelming support among academics and liberals and SJWs (that is, all the most fervent self-alleged "anti-racists") for the "eugenic" (dysgenic) transhumanist program, even though so far they've only deployed the unscientific brute force blunt object campaigns of transgenderist physical and pharmacological mutilation and the experimental Covid-giving gene-altering injections.

    They envision more precise modes of dysgenic breeding of humans to generate the distinct species of elite transhumans and a slave race bred for hard labor in the post-fossil fuel era.

    But any notion that natural separation and adaptation to greatly varying habitats over hundreds of thousands of years can generate even "significant" differences, let alone definable subspecies, is taboo for their cult of Science (scientism is the usual term for this religious/superstitious cult), no matter how much the actual science goes against them while their own thought and practice become ever more anti-scientific.

  9. “races are purely cultural constructs and do not result from any acceptable form of taxonomic analysis of our species”

    任何 ‘acceptable form’ of taxonomic analysis of extant populations of genus Homo? I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is 不能 ‘acceptable?’ Or does the ‘acceptable’ analysis exist, but they ignore it? I’ll read their book if it ever hits the public library.

    • 回复: @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    , @New Dealer
    @gutta percha

    Gutta Percha asked, “I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is not ‘acceptable?’

    The answer is yes, they are saying that there are distinct human groups that have become extinct, but that within the present pool of humans there are no distinct groups.


    In terms of human evolution, Tattersall believes the process was more a matter of evolutionary experimentation in which a new species entered the environment, competed with other life forms, and either succeeded, failed, or became extinct within that environment: "To put it in perspective, consider the fact that the history of diversity and competition among human species began some five million years ago when there were at least four different human species living on the same landscape. Yet as a result of evolutionary experimentation, only one species has prospered and survived. One human species is now the only twig on what was once a big branching bush of different species."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Tattersall
     
    It’s the dialectic!
    , @epebble
    @gutta percha

    这可能会回答您的问题:

    This ancient teenager is the first known person with parents of two different species
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/this-ancient-teenager-is-the-first-known-person-with-parents-of-two-different-species

    回复:@James N. Kennett

  10. Off Topic: The day of the Trump raid, I heard Robert Barnes say that the (highly plausible) rumor going around Capitol Hill is that the FBI wasn’t after documents incriminating Trump, but rather Trump’s stash of documents incriminating 联邦调查局, which he presumably took with him as an insurance policy. After three days of silence when they couldn’t get a story straight, and then Garland mumbling some “let’s wait and see” nonsense, this seems even more plausible.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-4-what-was-in-the-trump-documents-creating-such-fear-in-doj-and-fbi/

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @ Hypnotoad666

    What are the flatfeet going to do next, raid Mrs. Eric Trump's underwear drawer to find the copies he made of the insurance policy?

    回复:@ J.Ross

    , @epebble
    @ Hypnotoad666

    I don't understand why Trump would be so interested in nuclear weapons secrets as to not return the papers to the government after a subpoena. I can only conjecture that he planned on this to unite the Republicans behind him. If so, he has succeeded brilliantly.

    ‘Signals intel’ at Mar-a-Lago makes Trump’s scandal look so much worse: experts
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/signals-intel-at-mar-a-lago-makes-trumps-scandal-look-so-much-worse-experts/ar-AA10zVl7

    回复:@Curle

  11. 还记得安德鲁·库纳南吗? 大约在他开枪自杀和他的生平事后发表的时候,我看到了一篇专栏文章(在 Sulberger 鸟笼内衬, IIRC) discussing the case in which the author says “Evil is not a useful concept for psychology”. The pompous boor who wrote this fancied he could dismiss the notion by saying psychologists weren’t thinking about it, rather than what he actually did, which was to make a claim that, if excepted, would do severe and just injury to the reputations of psychologists.

    You see that here. Even if the biological angle on the study of human beings isn’t your cup of tea, this is the sort of thing which persuades you that professors are a bunch of poseurs, and that social utility would be improved if there were fewer of them.

    • 回复: @Stan Adams
    @艺术装饰

    Here's the op-ed, if anybody cares:
    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/25/opinion/myths-and-criminal-masterminds.html

    这是同一个迦勒卡尔吗?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Carr

    有趣的是,他给出了一些诱人的暗示,即同性恋社区的生活并不全是棒棒糖和玫瑰。


    According to various accounts, Mr. Cunanan was a ''master of disguise'' and a ''man of a thousand faces'' who moved freely through society by dint of his own evil genius. Never mind that his ''success'' was less a result of any innate brilliance than of his apparent willingness to kill unsuspecting strangers (or acquaintances who had reason to trust him). Or that the public failed to pay sufficient attention to posted and televised warnings before the killing of the fashion designer Gianni Versace, while law-enforcement officials proved unable to interpret evidence and coordinate their actions. In such situations, the public, it seems, demands a legend: hence Andrew Cunanan, ''the chameleon.''

    [...]

    In all likelihood, Mr. Cunanan was until recently nothing more than a compulsive liar making a very tidy living off of rich gay men in some of California's wealthier communities -- hardly a unique profile.

    但有人猜测,去年春天的某个时候,一场危机促使他谋杀。 有报道称,这场危机是因为发现他感染了导致艾滋病的病毒,这一事件当然可以成为疯狂杀手的点燃火花。 据朋友说,他可能认为他的前两名受害者中的一名对他的感染负有责任。 因此,他的杀戮狂潮会产生一种复仇的精神,这是这类罪犯的典型特征。

    Despite these and other factors, tabloids and local newscasts clung to the notion of Mr. Cunanan as a ''serial'' killer while he was at large, choosing to ignore a theory that may have been closer to the truth: that he was a delusional, borderline personality who had been suddenly enraged by a personal crisis. The notion of a master of disguise who could kill anyone next, on the other hand, was very salable -- precisely because it was so terrifying.
     
  12. @Hypnotoad666
    Off Topic: The day of the Trump raid, I heard Robert Barnes say that the (highly plausible) rumor going around Capitol Hill is that the FBI wasn't after documents incriminating Trump, but rather Trump's stash of documents incriminating 联邦调查局, which he presumably took with him as an insurance policy. After three days of silence when they couldn't get a story straight, and then Garland mumbling some "let's wait and see" nonsense, this seems even more plausible.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-4-what-was-in-the-trump-documents-creating-such-fear-in-doj-and-fbi/

    回复:@装饰艺术,@epebble

    What are the flatfeet going to do next, raid Mrs. Eric Trump’s underwear drawer to find the copies he made of the insurance policy?

    • 回复: @J.Ross
    @艺术装饰

    Well, who thought they would raid MAL? They'll do whatever they think they can get away with. But let's remember the DC Madam, whose lawyer handed the black book over to the bad guys, and who subsequently "committed suicide." Stop having faith in some process and just publish everything.

    回复:@Art Deco

  13. Steve——这完全是过时的,但我认为你真的需要考虑效仿 Razib 的例子,回到你自己的博客上。 我不知道罗恩付给你多少钱,但是 unz.com 变成了污水池——安德鲁·安格林? 严重地??? ——在这里发帖会损害你的信誉。 (Taki's 实际上并没有那么好。Z Man 并不完全是 Andrew Anglin,但又一次,认真的吗?)就目前情况而言,我无法将朋友发送到您的博客,因为担心他们会查看其他内容现场并被吓坏了。 联想内疚可能是一种“逻辑谬误”,但这是大多数人的想法。 (甚至没有错——如果你整天和男人在一起,陪审团考虑到这一点也不会错)。

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    • 同意: D. K., New Dealer, Rob
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @jb

    对!

    , @Meretricious
    @jb

    我同意反犹主义者在 Unz.com 上臭名昭著的程度——我最好的猜测是 Unz 被他们逗乐了

    , @D. K.
    @jb

    几个月前,Substack 成为了显而易见的游戏。

    , @MEH 0910
    @jb

    为什么 Chris 最好创建子堆栈
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3cI35zhis
    11 年 2022 月 XNUMX 日

    取自 JRE #1855 w/Chris Best:
    https://open.spotify.com/episode/4SFTiMFkTRpknVfj6dYyMN

    回复:@jb

    , @AndrewR
    @jb

    https://www.amazon.com/Vagisil-Maximum-Strength-Anti-Itch-Benzocaine/dp/B000052XIB/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3N2UDBEXA4BZ7&keywords=vagisil&qid=1660279289&sprefix=vagisi%2Caps%2C568&sr=8-3

    回复:@Verymuchalive

    , @Dumbo
    @jb

    Andrew Anglin 是这里最有趣和最有趣的读物之一,对我来说比 Sailer 更好。 Sailer 太想成为“流行”人群中的一员,Anglin 不在乎。 拉兹布没用。

    回复:@jb

    , @anon
    @jb


    Substack 似乎真正致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。
     
    好吧,不要把它们留给自己,该死!! 我一直在寻找一些好的阅读材料。 起名字!

    回复:@jb

    , @bomag
    @jb

    嗯……左派从不为他们一方的恶心道歉。

    右派为了取悦左派而运行纯洁螺旋永远不会奏效。

    我什至不认为UNZ的东西那么糟糕。 让这一切都出去可能会更好。

    , @AnotherDad
    @jb


    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。
     
    可能为史蒂夫工作,作为他旧 iSteve 博客的替代品。

    但它绝对不是任何类型的社区,也不是任何类型的杂志。 根据您的评论,我过去浏览了他们的“首页”,他们的“阅读内容”。 说真的,绝对没有 任何 兴趣。 我做了“向我展示更多”或同等的东西。 只是完成无趣的废话,不断地不断地。

    这就像带有订阅或其他东西的wordpress。 史蒂夫会回到他自己的小房子里。

    罗恩提供的是他的杂志。 只是杂志的质量下降了。 曾经有一些其他有趣的人可以阅读,以及与 Buchanan 和 Derb 等可靠人的链接。

    回复:@jb

    , @Frau Katze
    @jb

    像 Unz 这样的地方的评论系统是其中最复杂的部分。

    不过,如果史蒂夫恢复独立,他可以使用像 Disqus 这样的系统。 设置它仍然需要一些工作。

    有些人很偏执,以至于他们可能不会使用 Disqus。 但是谁还需要这么偏执的人呢?

    回复:@jb

    , @ThreeCranes
    @jb

    别听他的,史蒂夫。 他的谄媚赞美是毒药。 他的意思是说你和他可以组建一个私人俱乐部,伙计。 只是为了像你们两个这样的其他开悟者。

    如果你按照他说的去做,你就会被孤立。 这是重点。

    他对AA的谴责表明他害怕AA的无所畏惧。 每个人都清楚 AA 是部分恶搞。 他故意说出离谱的话,并且可以逃脱惩罚,因为他是宫廷小丑,因为他所说的每一句话都带有真实的成分。 如果没有像 AA 这样的疯帽子,公路旅行会怎样?

    无聊

    至于拉齐布,他对自己的评价太高了,表现出典型的(不是特别出色的)印度男人的多刺。 甩掉包袱。 另外,他更喜欢用行话来拉皮条和装扮自己,而不是向我们这些公认的知识较少但渴望学习的业余爱好者真正解释遗传学的事实和理论。

    回复:@fnn

    , @Joe Paluka
    @jb

    可怜的宝贝,这里的一些作家对你的自由主义敏感性太苛刻了,你害怕给那些可能不那么看你的高贵朋友提供链接。 我可以建议你去一个没有分歧意见的网站,每个人都在拖着党的路线。 像CNN或MSNBC这样的。

  14. “If we are to remain grounded in reality, it is essential to ensure that the images we entertain of the world around us are as accurate as possible… That essential grounding in reality is what science is there to provide…”

    “How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”
    “四个。”
    “And if the party says that it is not four, but five – then how many?”
    “四个。”
    这个词在痛苦的喘息中结束。

    乔治·奥威尔 – 1984

    That is to be our current understanding of Science.

    • 同意: bomag, AndrewR
  15. Florida magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart this June:
    I’m going to have to recuse myself from this case regarding Donald Trump because I am publicly on record hating his guts and so cannot be impartial.
    Florida magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart this August:
    Wow, what a crazy six weeks. Hey — is that a warrant for Donald Trump? Give that here, I am a legitimate and impartial judge!

    • 谢谢: Charon, mark green
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @罗斯

    Conservatives think they’ll move the ball by pointing out hypocrisy on the left. So pathetic. They’ll just continue to lose and have their culture and country be raped in front of their eyes and do nothing. They’ll never mention the elephant in the room.

    Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart is on the board of trustees of Temple Beth David in Palm Beach.

    E.S.T., as Unzers are wont to say.

    https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=fdx3ethh4&t=1530521470&fullscreen=1

    回复:@ J.Ross

  16. Where’s Corvinus? This is his favorite type of iSteve article to whine about these days.

    • 回复: @Justvisiting
    @约翰·弥尔顿的幽灵


    Where’s Corvinus?
     
    Last I heard the Corvid was visiting all the men's rooms in several states removing the tampons so he could then prove that it is a crazy right wing conspiracy theory that Democrat legislatures are requiring them!
    , @res
    @约翰·弥尔顿的幽灵

    He's busy with the Mar-a-Lago thread. Trolls have priorities.

  17. As all respectable astronomers – those who follow the Science – know, the popular temporal categories of “day” and “night” do not exist. After all, there are times (unscientifically described as “dawn” and “dusk”) when the sky is dim and it is not clearly day or night. Day and night are merely social constructs.

    至于 ” … it was only with the advent of slavery that considerations of human variation became politicized”, since the institution of slavery is older than written records, what evidence do the authors have to support that contention? Or do the authors define “slavery” as limited to practices of enslavement committed by modern white people?

    • 同意: Rob McX
  18. Race is real, of course.

    But even if unreal and only a construct, so what?

    Jewishness is just a construct, but it’s accepted as a group category, an identity, a history, and a set of interests with legitimacy for political organization.

    • 回复: @Bert
    @匿名的


    Jewishness is just a construct
     
    Go to the encyclopedia and try to wrap your head around the concepts of consanguinity and endogamy.
  19. If our side stops using “race” as a reference, then their side must stop using race as a reference, which they have no intention of doing. For example, the typical anti-affirmative action position involves assessing people on their merits, experience, competence, etc. without regard to race.

    Are the authors of this book willing to embrace this position? More likely, they would call people who held this position “racist”.

    • 同意: Rob McX
  20. 所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。

    • 回复: @AnotherDad
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民


    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。
     

    Sillyzen,诚实的问题:你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    对我来说,这里的目的是:
    ——更好地理解实际的人类现实(“知识是好的。”)
    ——影响其他知识分子的思想——改进他们的思想/工作
    ——提供更好的政策建议
    - 为基础/现实主义/保守派宣传家和政治家提供可操作的政治建议/宣传/谈话要点

    史蒂夫在这方面做了很多——至少在直接政策上,但对直接去的有用的指示。

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“弥补音量”没有一点意义。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    史蒂夫从来没有告诉过你不要爱你的白人或你的白人同胞。

    史蒂夫的“公民主义”不是对白人的贬低,而是一种政治主张:一个国家属于它的公民,它是 练习 一个国家领导人的工作是照顾其公民的利益。 这是对我们的“精英”将美国视为可用于掠夺的随机地理国家控制市场的概念的直接谴责。 还有一个有购买的——有很多人; 白人和非白人。

    最后,你当然知道美国有一个投票通过的选举制度。 我很乐意投票给与欧洲明确的民族主义保守党相当的美国——比如欧尔班的党。 (结束移民,驱逐非法移民,着手建立负担得起的家庭组建和优生生育。)这样的政党可能会立即获得 15-20% 的选票,但这不是德国或以色列,这不会让你蹲下在国会。

    好吧,这一切你都知道。 那么你认为史蒂夫没有做什么或不提倡什么?

    你有什么实际上是 可操作?

    回复:@PhysicistDave,@愚蠢国家的公民,@愚蠢国家的公民

  21. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    对!

  22. @J.Ross
    Florida magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart this June:
    I'm going to have to recuse myself from this case regarding Donald Trump because I am publicly on record hating his guts and so cannot be impartial.
    Florida magistrate judge Bruce Reinhart this August:
    Wow, what a crazy six weeks. Hey -- is that a warrant for Donald Trump? Give that here, I am a legitimate and impartial judge!
    https://twitter.com/boyd_hb/status/1557106505635307521#:~:text=RT%20%40mlsline%3A%20Same%20Magistrate%20Bruce%20Reinhart%2C%20who%20approved,presiding%20for%20over%20a%20year.%2009%20Aug%202022

    回复:@Anonymous

    Conservatives think they’ll move the ball by pointing out hypocrisy on the left. So pathetic. They’ll just continue to lose and have their culture and country be raped in front of their eyes and do nothing. They’ll never mention the elephant in the room.

    Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart is on the board of trustees of Temple Beth David in Palm Beach.

    E.S.T., as Unzers are wont to say.

    https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=fdx3ethh4&t=1530521470&fullscreen=1

    • 回复: @J.Ross
    @匿名的

    An anti-Semitic government employment prohibition (which would never in a million years square with any version of the Constitution) would obviate a number of society-harming criminals, including a wildly disproportionate majority of the Biden cabinet, but it would also lock out Steven Miller and Roger Stone, it would almost certainly be joined by parallel restrictions which would lock out such people as Kash Patel, whose contributions were golden, and it would do nothing about those society-harming criminal bureaucrats who are Gentiles. Our enemy is the local Vindman (or Reinhart, or Garland) because he thinks he is the King of America, not because he is Jewish, and it is the dirtiest trick and the sincerest hope of the Saturn-worshipping war-starting liar to reduce all criticism of filth like Leopold & Loeb or Marc Rich or Lois Lerner to being a matter of their ancestry.

  23. 作者

    Rob DeSalle, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History, New York USA. His research focuses on molecular systematics, microbial evolution, and genomics He is the author of over 500 scientific papers and a wide range of books, from popular science titles to textbooks on genomics.

    lan Tattersall, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    lan Tattersall is Curator Emeritus in the Division of Anthropology of the American Museum of Natural History, New York, USA. His most recent research is on the emergence of modern human cognition. He is author of over 400 scientific papers numerous books, and is a prominent interpreter of palaeoanthropology to the public and writes regularly for Natural History.

    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @奥列格·潘琴科(Oleg Panczenko)

    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History

    He should be cancelled for Sackler adjacency.

    , @PetrOldSack
    @奥列格·潘琴科(Oleg Panczenko)

    Both authors, their curriculum: cucks, not ignorants. Worse to be a cuck (understanding that one's gibberage is just bait for ignorants), being able to enjoy the deprecation of the public as human excrement, then being part of meat-ball society itself?

    These authors are surfers on the ocean of greed, their very own career, the short term. There is hope, a few come around in old age (M. Hudson, Paul Craig Roberts).

    The net loss for society? None, in the algorithmic blob on the internet, it is just a spit on a hot stove. Steve is just strolling the forest looking for pecurke.

    , @Art Deco
    @奥列格·潘琴科(Oleg Panczenko)

    I realize he's an old guy, but if he's the 'author' of 'over 400 scientific papers', you'll have to scrounge to locate a research project among them that anyone not named 'Ian Tattersall' would care about.

  24. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    I agree to the extent antisemites stink up Unz.com–my best guess is Unz is amused by them

  25. @Art Deco
    还记得安德鲁·库纳南吗? 大约在他开枪自杀和他的生平事后发表的时候,我看到了一篇专栏文章(在 Sulberger 鸟笼内衬, IIRC) 讨论作者说“邪恶不是心理学有用的概念”的案例。 写这篇文章的自以为是的笨蛋认为他可以通过说心理学家没有考虑这一点,而不是他实际做了什么来驳斥这个概念,也就是说,如果被排除在外,将会严重损害心理学家的名誉。心理学家。

    你看这里。 即使研究人类的生物学角度不是你的那杯茶,但这种东西会让你相信教授是一群装腔作势的人,如果他们少一点,社会效用就会提高。

    回复:@Stan Adams

    这是专栏,如果有人在乎的话:
    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/25/opinion/myths-and-criminal-masterminds.html

    这是同一个迦勒卡尔吗?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Carr

    有趣的是,他给出了一些诱人的暗示,即同性恋社区的生活并不全是棒棒糖和玫瑰。

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    根据各种说法,库纳南先生是“伪装大师”和“千面人”,凭借自己的邪恶天才在社会中自由穿梭。 没关系,他的“成功”与其说是天生的才华,不如说是他明显愿意杀死毫无戒心的陌生人(或有理由信任他的熟人)。 或者,在时装设计师詹尼·范思哲 (Gianni Versace) 遇害之前,公众没有对张贴和电视上的警告给予足够的关注,而执法官员被证明无法解释证据并协调他们的行动。 在这种情况下,公众似乎需要一个传奇人物:因此,安德鲁·库纳南(Andrew Cunanan)被称为“变色龙”。

    [...]

    很可能,直到最近,库纳南先生只不过是一个强迫性的骗子,在加州一些较富裕的社区靠富有的男同性恋者过着非常整洁的生活——这并不是一个独特的人物。

    但有人猜测,去年春天的某个时候,一场危机促使他谋杀。 有报道称,这场危机是因为发现他感染了导致艾滋病的病毒,这一事件当然可以成为疯狂杀手的点燃火花。 据朋友说,他可能认为他的前两名受害者中的一名对他的感染负有责任。 因此,他的杀戮狂潮会产生一种复仇的精神,这是这类罪犯的典型特征。

    尽管有这些和其他因素,小报和当地新闻广播仍然坚持认为库纳南先生在逍遥法外时是一个“连环”杀手,选择忽略一个可能更接近真相的理论:他是个妄想症,边缘人格,突然被个人危机激怒。 而接下来可以杀人的乔装大师的想法,倒是很有卖相——正是因为它实在是太恐怖了。

  26. @John Milton’s Ghost
    Where’s Corvinus? This is his favorite type of iSteve article to whine about these days.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @res

    Where’s Corvinus?

    Last I heard the Corvid was visiting all the men’s rooms in several states removing the tampons so he could then prove that it is a crazy right wing conspiracy theory that Democrat legislatures are requiring them!

  27. Pretending something doesn’t exist by calling it something else or ignoring the subtleties of the subject may work in fooling the layperson, but there are real consequences that society will suffer. But these authors will make a quick buck and the right people will pat them on the back so all is good.

  28. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    几个月前,Substack 成为了显而易见的游戏。

  29. it was only with the advent of slavery that considerations of human variation became politicized.

    Has there ever been a time when slavery was not practiced? The “first” society to practice slavery was in Mesopotamia 7000-6000 BC. Recorded history is generally said to begin in roughly 4000 BC. Are we to believe that various bands of humans did not take slaves before 7000 BC?

    • 回复: @Bestfriend821
    @克里斯·马洛里

    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136. It’s like, yeah, no shit-of course people didn’t think there was a black race in Britain in 1136. A peasant in Britain in that era would have never seen a black person even one time in their whole life. (Despite some BBC cartoons claiming the contrary.) The typical Briton would have thought that everybody in the world was white skinned.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman, @TWS

  30. I would say that this is sophistry. But that would be too kind. This is mere gaslighting. And to what end? Are these writers expecting a realy big pay day?

  31. @Art Deco
    @ Hypnotoad666

    What are the flatfeet going to do next, raid Mrs. Eric Trump's underwear drawer to find the copies he made of the insurance policy?

    回复:@ J.Ross

    Well, who thought they would raid MAL? They’ll do whatever they think they can get away with. But let’s remember the DC Madam, whose lawyer handed the black book over to the bad guys, and who subsequently “committed suicide.” Stop having faith in some process and just publish everything.

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @罗斯

    I agree with you they're pretty comprehensively unscrupulous. Kinda dumb to proceed as if he hadn't made copies.

  32. I can’t define race but I know it when I see it.

  33. i just wanted to second (or 3rd) the idea of Steve moving over to Substack. (Everyone’s there now anyway!)
    My friends and fam are all pretty open-minded and we share all sorts of Red Pillish hilarity all the time, but Unz is just a bridge too far, it just reeks of KKK for better or worse.
    Like the previous poster said, Guilt by Association is stupid and all, but it is how most people think, and also, if you hang out with some pretty unsavory people it never makes you look good.
    (my 2 cents)

  34. @Patriot
    In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.

    I’m confused. Is that a striking difference or a significant difference?

    Is that a minor difference that I should ignore or a something I should worry about for my family’s safety?

    Are those differences reality or imaginary differences produced by my racist mind?

    Replies: @smetana, @J.Ross, @miha

    In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.

    Sure you’re not missing a zero on the end of that multiple? Or multiple zeroes when it comes to homicide, burglary and strong-arm robbery?

  35. @Anonymous
    @罗斯

    Conservatives think they’ll move the ball by pointing out hypocrisy on the left. So pathetic. They’ll just continue to lose and have their culture and country be raped in front of their eyes and do nothing. They’ll never mention the elephant in the room.

    Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart is on the board of trustees of Temple Beth David in Palm Beach.

    E.S.T., as Unzers are wont to say.

    https://cdn.flipsnack.com/widget/v2/flipsnackwidget.html?hash=fdx3ethh4&t=1530521470&fullscreen=1

    回复:@ J.Ross

    An anti-Semitic government employment prohibition (which would never in a million years square with any version of the Constitution) would obviate a number of society-harming criminals, including a wildly disproportionate majority of the Biden cabinet, but it would also lock out Steven Miller and Roger Stone, it would almost certainly be joined by parallel restrictions which would lock out such people as Kash Patel, whose contributions were golden, and it would do nothing about those society-harming criminal bureaucrats who are Gentiles. Our enemy is the local Vindman (or Reinhart, or Garland) because he thinks he is the King of America, not because he is Jewish, and it is the dirtiest trick and the sincerest hope of the Saturn-worshipping war-starting liar to reduce all criticism of filth like Leopold & Loeb or Marc Rich or Lois Lerner to being a matter of their ancestry.

  36. @Patriot
    In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.

    I’m confused. Is that a striking difference or a significant difference?

    Is that a minor difference that I should ignore or a something I should worry about for my family’s safety?

    Are those differences reality or imaginary differences produced by my racist mind?

    Replies: @smetana, @J.Ross, @miha

    What crimes do Japanese commit? Insider trading?

    • 回复: @Mr. Fussy
    @罗斯

    Suicide is technically illegal in some countries

    回复:@ J.Ross

  37. How about breeds instead of races?

    • 回复: @International Jew
    @乡下人农夫

    Yep. One way or another, these people will have to invent a new word for the thing that doesn't exist but that they love to talk about. And inevitably that new word will in time become taboo. It's the ol' euphemism rollercoaster.

    回复:@Justvisiting

  38. Does anyone here remember that white paper 种族的本质 by Boetel and Fuerst, published in Open Behavioural Genetics back in 2014? I don’t know why it isn’t talked about more often. I have a copy. It’s the most comprehensive piece of scholarship on the wokesters and their race-doesn’t-exist schtick ever composed. An absolutely invaluable resource, one which I can’t praise enough.

    • 谢谢: res
    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Autisticus 痉挛

    它可以在这里

    https://philpapers.org/archive/FUETNO.pdf

    回复:@Autisticus 痉挛

  39. Race indeed exist, but being Racist like US all the time, or SouthAfrika of apartheid makes life harder.

    The article or iSteve on Takimag about US Govt. racial classifications is a prime example of this. If you recall the Apartheid, the SA state went unto the same weeds , just with oppoiste polarity. They did genetic testing for segregated like 1/8 eastIndians from proper whites, etc.

    Does the race matter, or is it ethnicity that comes first? Only Racists might be confused by this question. And for that Racists of US are being Owned by their key allies from Europe and Middle East now. Real-time!

    Who is the Traitor that recently owned an US President? A black? A chinese? Nay, Vindman Twins. Because of Race? No, because of ther Ukrainian ethnicity. In France they would have been dreyfussed , because of their obvious treason, but in US they are “white” and the ethnicity-blind State doesnt know what to do. Consider that Ukraine is only one of the White key allies of US, and the weakest of them.

    Similarly, what was always the problem of South Africa? Who undid the Boer Apartheid state? White Anglos, of course, not the blacks.

    So Race may well exist, but it is a minor consideration as compared to Ethnicity. Being colorblind is not nearly as dangerous as being Ethnicity-blind, Sect-blind etc.

  40. @Meretricious
    I Googled both coauthors. They have impeccable credentials, which leads me to believe that their blind reverence for Africa has made them stupid. I also found their prose to be turgid.

    回复:Oz的@Dave

    ‘turgid’ ≠ ‘turbid’.

    • 谢谢: Meretricious
    • 回复: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    来自奥兹峰的@Dave

    "I found their prose to be turgid."

    ‘turgid’ ≠ ‘turbid’.

    Yes, these two words have different meanings, either of which could have been intended.
    turgid = swollen, distended; bombastic, pompous, grandiloquent
    turbid = muddy/cloudy from stirred-up sediment; confused, perplexed, muddled

  41. For all documentations of crazes and manias we’ve had from previous history, there’s never much detail of how the loudest mouths and wildest eyes carry on after a the party is over and the narrative collapses. For good.

    I’m genuinely curious in how people will make of nonsense like this when the goose is finally cooked.

    One thing the modern world has to reckon with the social media/internet is a fairly sticky repository where all the information you allow to give about yourself will stay and resurface years later if need be.

    At least in elden times you had a good chance of wiping your own history clean if you accused half your neighbors of being witches (thus getting them executed), or made scores of cocaine fiends of some sketchy “wonder tonics” you sold at a 19th century wagon show.

  42. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    为什么 Chris 最好创建子堆栈

    11 年 2022 月 XNUMX 日

    [更多]

    取自 JRE #1855 w/Chris Best:

    • 回复: @jb
    @MEH 0910

    Very interesting, and very encouraging. Thank you!

  43. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don't exist. Furthermore, psychologists are evil people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Deogolwulf, @res, @Anonymous

    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don’t exist.

    You can apply their logic to a lot of things. Since dusk and dawn both exist, there is no such thing as day or night. Etc., etc.

    • 回复: @anon
    @先生。 安农


    You can apply their logic to a lot of things. Since dusk and dawn both exist, there is no such thing as day or night. Etc., etc.
     
    It would also render speciation impossible since evolution is a continuum and there's no distinct boundary between any species and its predecessor. Maybe calling these people "Evolution Deniers" would sufficiently associate them with the redneck rabble they hate as to make them reconsider the implications of their stupidity.
  44. They sound like those ‘reformed’ homos who do gay conversion therapy.

  45. @gutta percha
    "races are purely cultural constructs and do not result from any acceptable form of taxonomic analysis of our species"

    任何 'acceptable form' of taxonomic analysis of extant populations of genus Homo? I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is 不能 'acceptable?' Or does the 'acceptable' analysis exist, but they ignore it? I'll read their book if it ever hits the public library.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @New Dealer, @epebble

    Given that there are no significant fertility barriers between any human populations, it’s safe to say all extant humans are of the same species. But one wonders how long it would be before speciation occurs. At this point, it probably won’t occur. We will all either blend together or we will exterminate ourselves. Perhaps both will happen.

    • 回复: @Goddard
    @安德鲁


    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。
     
    土狼和狼可以产生肥沃的后代。 它们是一个物种吗?
    , @TWS
    @安德鲁

    There's no barriers between coyotes, wolves, dogs, and maybe jackals (not all jackals are equal perhaps). Would you care to take any of those animals other than dogs into your home?

    Leave little Cindy Loo R home to watch over the Indian Wolf, see the carnage when you get home. Or just leave the pet alone for an hour come home to shredded furniture and cupboards.

    Almost every single bison in North America has cow DNA, you want to try raising wooly instead of Bessie?

    I don't know why people use this old ploy as if it still works.

    In answer to my question, no do not take a purebred or hybrid wolf or coyote into your home. I don't know about jackals. Might want to give that a go.

    , @bomag
    @安德鲁


    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。
     
    Plenty of inter-breeding at the genus level, so even this has muddy waters.

    Lost here is that small genetic differences have great importance. Brothers are often markedly different, in ways that matter.

    Plant and animal science fuss over small differences in their otherwise practically clonal varieties; pick up a seed catalog and read the gushing prose about the various varieties.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @安德鲁


    但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。
     
    The process you're referring to, allopatric speciation, does not and cannot occur, because it contains a contradiction. It posits that population severing events occur exactly once over immense timescales, and only in one direction. If we generalize the timeframe of genetic drift as A 和地理隔离事件 B, 异域物种形成断言 A 移动速度比 BB 移动速度比 A.
    , @Moses
    @安德鲁

    Lions and tigers can procreate together. Are they the same species?

  46. @Redneck farmer
    How about breeds instead of races?

    回复:@International Jew

    Yep. One way or another, these people will have to invent a new word for the thing that doesn’t exist but that they love to talk about. And inevitably that new word will in time become taboo. It’s the ol’ euphemism rollercoaster.

    • 回复: @Justvisiting
    @国际犹太人


    It’s the ol’ euphemism rollercoaster.
     
    Maybe they will go back to the old words--and folks will start believing in "ghosts".

    ;-)
  47. @Oleg Panczenko
    作者

    Rob DeSalle, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History, New York USA. His research focuses on molecular systematics, microbial evolution, and genomics He is the author of over 500 scientific papers and a wide range of books, from popular science titles to textbooks on genomics.

    lan Tattersall, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    lan Tattersall is Curator Emeritus in the Division of Anthropology of the American Museum of Natural History, New York, USA. His most recent research is on the emergence of modern human cognition. He is author of over 400 scientific papers numerous books, and is a prominent interpreter of palaeoanthropology to the public and writes regularly for Natural History.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @PetrOldSack, @Art Deco

    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History

    He should be cancelled for Sackler adjacency.

  48. Just stop. A three year old knows about race.

    Ask these cats or the white off duty cop they jumped if they know about race . . . .

    So here we have some scientists who try to say it’s not genetic. . . . SO WHAT! I don’t care if it’s caused by the drinking water or cosmic waves or whateverthefuck!

    A-holes are A-holes. You can spend your life trying to crack the code just like Newton tried alchemy. Waste of time. Better not to live near or encounter them.

    • 同意: Rob McX, Justvisiting
    • 回复: @Moses
    @rebunga

    Nah. It's genetic.

  49. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    • 哈哈: Verymuchalive, bomag
    • 回复: @Verymuchalive
    @安德鲁

    I'm surprised the manufacturers don't have "Caitlyn Jenner" advertising the product !

  50. @Autisticus Spasticus
    Does anyone here remember that white paper 种族的本质 by Boetel and Fuerst, published in Open Behavioural Genetics back in 2014? I don't know why it isn't talked about more often. I have a copy. It's the most comprehensive piece of scholarship on the wokesters and their race-doesn't-exist schtick ever composed. An absolutely invaluable resource, one which I can't praise enough.

    回复:@kaganovitch

    • 回复: @Autisticus Spasticus
    @kaganovitch

    Yes, but I want to know why that paper did not generate the seismic shockwaves it should have. Have the cognitive relativists thrown together yet more mental gymnastic work-arounds to invalidate it? Hard to imagine how they could, since that paper addresses every imaginable variation of race denialism. If an exhaustive paper like that isn't enough to satisfy them, then it should be clear to all that the race denialism is 100% ideological. The patience of the authors who put it together is nothing short of astonishing.

  51. @Chris Mallory

    it was only with the advent of slavery that considerations of human variation became politicized.
     
    Has there ever been a time when slavery was not practiced? The "first" society to practice slavery was in Mesopotamia 7000-6000 BC. Recorded history is generally said to begin in roughly 4000 BC. Are we to believe that various bands of humans did not take slaves before 7000 BC?

    Replies: @Bestfriend821

    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136. It’s like, yeah, no shit-of course people didn’t think there was a black race in Britain in 1136. A peasant in Britain in that era would have never seen a black person even one time in their whole life. (Despite some BBC cartoons claiming the contrary.) The typical Briton would have thought that everybody in the world was white skinned.

    • 回复: @Flying Dutchman
    @Bestfriend821


    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136.
     
    It's similar to how religiously homogenous societies with little experience of the existence of other religions seldom if ever have a word or concept analogous to "religion". This only comes later with experience of the Other, and especially once the society starts becoming more pluralistic.

    So if the logic here is that because "race" as such is a relatively new-fangled concept it therefore follows that it doesn't really exist, by the same logic there must be no such thing as different religions.

    And if they'd reply that "there are different religions but nobody who's in line with Science disputes that these are only psychologically/socially real (as opposed to the unscientific yahoos who actually believe in these religions), but nevertheless we concede that with religion what begins in the mind becomes a physical reality because people take action based upon this belief", well the same applies in the case of race.

    That includes the insistence on viewing race only through the artificial prism of alleged physical "science". Even leaving aside the fact that the science here is mostly eye-of-the-beholder as to what constitutes a "striking", let alone "significant" difference, the main purpose of these academic "anti-racist" activists is to weaponize Science for a political and eugenic program. Any context where it's more convenient for them to drop the allegedly scientific "race doesn't exist" angle, such as where they support race-based affirmative action, they drop the Science line. They're just as much frauds where it comes to their fidelity to "science" as in any other context.
    , @TWS
    @Bestfriend821

    The Slavic women and children sold as slaves to the dusky south would be pleased to hear this news. In fact, the Circassian women would be particularly gratified as they were sought after for their racially distinctive features.

    The Slavic trade in white fair skinned women to North Africa and the middle east was greater than the Atlantic trade and lasted much longer.

  52. Of course, perhaps the most remarkable uniqueness of we human beings is that we live – at least for much of the time – in the worlds we construct in our minds, rather than in the world as Nature directly presents it to us. Our artificial constructions of the world are of critical importance to the quality and conduct of our daily lives; and indeed, we couldn’t live our complex interior existences without them.

    But not just our “interior lives” and “constructions”, but our exterior lives and constructions as well.

    Seriously, I–absolute layman–can shed more light on the race issue with one phrase:

    gene culture co-进化

    then their entire book of murk.

    I don’t know about these people. This is you job, your life’s work and this is what you bring to the table? I would be thoroughly embarrassed to write up a physics or IT article or book shoveled up pablum and shed darkness and confusion. Couldn’t, wouldn’t do it.

    • 同意: ic1000
  53. DeSalle and Tattersall invite you on a fabulous journey…

    卷起
    Roll up for the Mystery Tour
    The Magical Mystery Tour is hoping to take you away
    Hoping to take you away
    Take you today…

    That’s because rainbows are Science.

    They are? I thought they were politics.


  54. @MEH 0910
    @jb

    为什么 Chris 最好创建子堆栈
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3cI35zhis
    11 年 2022 月 XNUMX 日

    取自 JRE #1855 w/Chris Best:
    https://open.spotify.com/episode/4SFTiMFkTRpknVfj6dYyMN

    回复:@jb

    Very interesting, and very encouraging. Thank you!

  55. OT – Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues. Anne Heche sustained a “serious pulmonary injury” and was intubated. IOW, her ribs were broken, punctured her lungs, causing a pneumothorax and Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome which means her lungs went from moist styrofoam to wet, inelastic cardboard. Intubation is horrible, high rates of morbidity. I’ve watched four family members linger on it before we pulled the plug on living corpses. It’s basically a Hail Mary for young adults with chest trauma. Most people over 50 don’t survive it or they’re brain-damaged or die within a year. That’s what happens when you place a bacteria-conduit into someone’s throat and use positive pressure to inflate someone’s lungs (lungs operate via vacuum). Incidentally, doctors in NYC were slapping COVID patients on ventilators as “contagion control.” Doctors no longer follow the Hippocratic prime directive.

    Same with Bruce Willis and his “aphasia.” Bruce Willis suffers from dementia which causes aphasia. He can’t replicate a single line of dialogue or follow a single line of verbal instruction. He has a pasted-together life of semi-conscious reactions: give him a basketball and he’ll do a simple lay-up; put his young hot wife next to him and he’ll drape his arm around her. Put Joe Biden in front of a teleprompter and he’ll read it. But the studly, cocky, self-made action hero is gone.

    Anne Heche broke herself, and it’s possible to do that beyond repair and sticking a tube down the throat of a living corpse makes no difference. Bruce Willis’s brain is injured/worn out, and we don’t know how to repair it, unlike a hip or knee joint.

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.

    • 谢谢: BB753
    • 回复: @AnotherDad
    @反诺斯替教派


    OT – Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues.

    ...

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.
     
    Thanks for the tip on Heche. Not sure of the ask here?

    I think we're all aware driving drunk--especially at high speed and through a neighborhood--is a really, really bad idea. Heche's family is pulling the plug--after harvest--so I don't think seriousness is an issue the media will be glossing over in this case.

    Willis strikes me as the standard "we get old and stuff breaks down" and "no guarantee on tomorrow". He's a good reminder for me, resembling me in look and age. (Though I lack the cute 年轻 wife, as AnotherMom and I are chugging happily toward 40 together.)

    Dying sucks? Eat your meat and veggies. Get plenty of exercise out in the sunshine and fresh air. Don't do drugs or drink too much. Keep enjoying lots of sex with your spouse and enjoy time with your family. Anything else?

    回复:@The Anti-Gnostic

    , @J.Ross
    @反诺斯替教派

    Sounds like somebody doesn't want to spend more, produce more, own nothing, and be happy. A functioning mind is every bit as unnecessary after the Wonderful Transition as a house, gun, car, pen, or the ability to cook or write cursive.

  56. Strangely enough, the counterpoint to this book was published by Cambridge University’s ancient rival, Oxford University back in 1974, by the distinguished cytologist John R. Baker, and is entitled simply ‘Race’.
    Baker in his preface said that his main motivation for writing his book was to dispel the oft heard remark that human racial differences are ‘merely a matter of skin color’.

  57. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。

    回复:@AnotherDad

    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。

    Sillyzen,诚实的问题:你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    对我来说,这里的目的是:
    ——更好地理解人类现实(“知识是好的。”)
    ——影响其他知识分子的思想——改进他们的思想/工作
    ——提供更好的政策建议
    - 为基础/现实主义/保守派宣传家和政治家提供可操作的政治建议/宣传/谈话要点

    史蒂夫做了很多这样的事情——至少在直接政策方面,但对直接去的有用的指示。

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“按数量弥补”一点意义都没有。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    史蒂夫从来没有告诉过你不要爱你的白人或你的白人同胞。

    史蒂夫的“公民主义”不是对白人的贬低,而是一种政治主张:一个国家属于它的公民,它是 练习 一个国家领导人的工作是照顾其公民的利益。 这是对我们的“精英”将美国视为可用于掠夺的随机地理国家控制市场的概念的直接谴责。 一个有购买的人——有很多人; 白人和非白人。

    最后,你当然知道美国有一个投票通过的选举制度。 我很乐意投票给与欧洲明确的民族主义保守党相当的美国——比如欧尔班的党。 (结束移民,驱逐非法移民,着手建立负担得起的家庭组建和优生生育。)这样的政党可能会立即获得 15-20% 的选票,但这不是德国或以色列,这不会让你蹲下在国会。

    好吧,这一切你都知道。 那么你认为史蒂夫没有做什么或不提倡什么?

    你有什么实际上是 可操作?

    • 回复: @PhysicistDave
    An

    AnotherDad写道:


    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“按数量弥补”一点意义都没有。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。
     
    当然,有趣的是,真实的西班牙裔美国人似乎更喜欢像特朗普这样的人 不能 迎合他们,但尊重自己和他人的身份。

    被光顾真的很丢脸。 像其他人一样对西班牙裔美国人。
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    An


    你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?
     
    好吧,诚实一点就好了。 史蒂夫到底站在哪一边? 他很腼腆。 你会注意到史蒂夫不再写关于公民主义的文章了。 相反,他写的是如果领导者相信公民主义,他们应该做什么。

    但史蒂夫的建议只有在公民主义有效的情况下才有效,我不相信它有效。 从本质上讲,史蒂夫是根据错误的诊断开药的,至少在我看来是这样。 如果你想就这个主题进行一场精彩的辩论,请谷歌搜索 Jared Taylor 和 Sailer 在大约十年前就公民主义进行的讨论。

    当时我非常支持公民主义阵营,所以我认为史蒂夫会赢得胜利。 令我惊讶的是,他没有。

    说实话,我也会坦白的。 我实际上并没有将我的评论指向史蒂夫或你,当然也不是杰克 D。我是在十年前写给自己的。 我正在努力为像我这样的人节省很多浪费的时间。

    你看,公民主义(又名 HBD 意识,色盲公民民族主义) - 就像自由主义一样 - 是一种非常诱人的意识形态,特别是对于一个相当聪明,相当不错的白人,他开始注意到关于种族的叙述不符合他每天看到的。 公民主义使他无需做任何事情或选择一方就可以感到既聪明又道德。

    公民主义,非常像自由主义,是一种隐藏和感觉良好的方式。 你可以嘲笑左派和右派,因为他们没有注意到种族的平均差异(有聪明的一面),并且因为参与身份政治而对左派嗤之以鼻(有道德上优越的一面)——虽然从来没有不得不离开你的椅子或挑战你自己关于为什么身份政治是错误的信念。

    相信我,我知道这种吸引力,因为我多年来一直是信徒。

    但是,就像自由主义一样,公民主义在现实世界中根本行不通。 它只存在于某种白人的头脑中——以及被称为 Twinkie 的孤独的亚洲人。 你只需要回顾过去的二十年,就可以了解公民主义是多么可怕地失败了。

    在 1990 年代,左派选择了身份政治,从那以后他们一直在获胜。 他们通过控制移民赢得了最终的权力,确保了他们的长期胜利。 他们控制媒体,在几乎每一个节目和广告中嘲笑白人并推动异族通婚。 他们最近控制了美国企业。

    我们的整个社会都具有高度种族意识,白人在图腾柱的底部。 在过去的二十年里,我们不可能远离公民主义,那么为什么你和史蒂夫觉得接下来的二十年会有所不同?

    然而,因为史蒂夫是一位非常诙谐的作家,而且似乎是一个非常好的人,所以 iSteve 和公民主义是一个非常诱人的漩涡,可以转移白人真正理解他们的处境,即我们的统治者讨厌我们并希望我们死 - 而公民主义不是要去阻止他们。

    所以,如果我听起来很苛刻,我向史蒂夫和其他评论者道歉。 但是,如果我要唤醒我的旧自我,并希望能唤醒其他人,我的评论必须触及公民主义的核心。 不幸的是,我不得不嘲笑和贬低公民主义的不一致、长期失败和明显的缺陷,以使人们不仅仅思考史蒂夫帖子的特定主题。

    老实说,我尊重史蒂夫多年来所做的一切。 他帮助很多人了解HBD。 但公民主义是失败的,主要是因为它不自然。 更糟糕的是,公民主义使许多白人无法理解真正需要做什么来拯救他们自己和他们的人民。 我的工作是把他们从 Sailer 漩涡中拉出来,让他们重新踏上通往真相的旅程。

    回复:@Rob McX,@ Anonymous

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    An

    顺便说一句,这也让我很生气,因为 Sailer 有时会等待几天才能发布某些评论者,就像他现在所做的那样,偷偷地禁止某些评论者。

    表现出一些勇气,史蒂夫。 如果你想禁止人,那么就禁止他们。

    就像公民主义一样,您的等待政策禁令只是另一种形式的逃避现实。

  58. Having to review this book is like being handed a barrel full of fish and an AK47. All the old sophistries that were debunked years ago, reheated and served up again with the imprimatur of the Cambridge University Press.

  59. OT,but keep a eye on this only fans model charged,now,with murdering her black boyfriend.
    Courtney Clenney no doubt was loving BLM and the struggle against racism and white soopremacy!
    But now there’s a lot of people that would dearly love to see her crucified,just like Chauvin and the McMichaels.

  60. 水手问:

    [Note to self: Before publishing, come up with some more examples of clearly distinct and internally homogeneous things in Science. Electrons?]

    As a physicist with a PhD from Stanford, I can speak with authority on this (my PhD thesis was on the relationship between the tau lepton and other leptons, including electrons and muons):

    Electrons? Yes.

    There is only one elementary particle with negative charge and rest energy approximately 0.511 MeV — the electron.

    There are no other negatively charged particles with rest energies within even a factor of 2: a very clean demarcation indeed.

    How do I knew electrons are all the same? Aside from overwhelming experimental evidence, there is what’s called Fermi-Dirac statistics: when you write down the quantum wave function you have to “anti-symmetrize,” which really only works for particles that are 究竟 the same. (This is what causes the Pauli exclusion principle for electrons in atoms, which makes chemistry possible.)

    Now, there are some funny little things about the electron: the electron, for a short time, actually becomes an electron neutrino combined with a a muon and a mu anti-neutrino. But that little dance is just part of what it 手段 to be an electron: the electron does not become a muon as such but just, very briefly, the electron does this little three-particle dance that is part of being an electron. And the similar three-particle dance for a muon is, in a technical sense, “orthogonal” to the three-particle dance for the electron.

    So, this little sidebar is really irrelevant.

    An electron is an electron is an electron. As Gertrude Stein would have said, had she had more interest in physics than in flowers.

    • 回复: @megabar
    @物理学家戴夫

    > Now, there are some funny little things about the electron: the electron, for a short time, actually becomes an electron neutrino combined with a a muon and a mu anti-neutrino.

    I don't trust electrons. Never have. But what can you do?

  61. @The Anti-Gnostic
    OT - Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues. Anne Heche sustained a "serious pulmonary injury" and was intubated. IOW, her ribs were broken, punctured her lungs, causing a pneumothorax and Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome which means her lungs went from moist styrofoam to wet, inelastic cardboard. Intubation is horrible, high rates of morbidity. I've watched four family members linger on it before we pulled the plug on living corpses. It's basically a Hail Mary for young adults with chest trauma. Most people over 50 don't survive it or they're brain-damaged or die within a year. That's what happens when you place a bacteria-conduit into someone's throat and use positive pressure to inflate someone's lungs (lungs operate via vacuum). Incidentally, doctors in NYC were slapping COVID patients on ventilators as "contagion control." Doctors no longer follow the Hippocratic prime directive.

    Same with Bruce Willis and his "aphasia." Bruce Willis suffers from dementia which causes aphasia. He can't replicate a single line of dialogue or follow a single line of verbal instruction. He has a pasted-together life of semi-conscious reactions: give him a basketball and he'll do a simple lay-up; put his young hot wife next to him and he'll drape his arm around her. Put Joe Biden in front of a teleprompter and he'll read it. But the studly, cocky, self-made action hero is gone.

    Anne Heche broke herself, and it's possible to do that beyond repair and sticking a tube down the throat of a living corpse makes no difference. Bruce Willis's brain is injured/worn out, and we don't know how to repair it, unlike a hip or knee joint.

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.

    回复:@ AnotherDad,@ J.Ross

    OT – Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues.

    ...

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.

    Thanks for the tip on Heche. Not sure of the ask here?

    I think we’re all aware driving drunk–especially at high speed and through a neighborhood–is a really, really bad idea. Heche’s family is pulling the plug–after harvest–so I don’t think seriousness is an issue the media will be glossing over in this case.

    Willis strikes me as the standard “we get old and stuff breaks down” and “no guarantee on tomorrow”. He’s a good reminder for me, resembling me in look and age. (Though I lack the cute 年轻 wife, as AnotherMom and I are chugging happily toward 40 together.)

    Dying sucks? Eat your meat and veggies. Get plenty of exercise out in the sunshine and fresh air. Don’t do drugs or drink too much. Keep enjoying lots of sex with your spouse and enjoy time with your family. Anything else?

    • 回复: @The Anti-Gnostic
    An

    I think you've got it covered brother. May you and your bride enjoy 40 more.

  62. @Hypnotoad666
    Off Topic: The day of the Trump raid, I heard Robert Barnes say that the (highly plausible) rumor going around Capitol Hill is that the FBI wasn't after documents incriminating Trump, but rather Trump's stash of documents incriminating 联邦调查局, which he presumably took with him as an insurance policy. After three days of silence when they couldn't get a story straight, and then Garland mumbling some "let's wait and see" nonsense, this seems even more plausible.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-4-what-was-in-the-trump-documents-creating-such-fear-in-doj-and-fbi/

    回复:@装饰艺术,@epebble

    I don’t understand why Trump would be so interested in nuclear weapons secrets as to not return the papers to the government after a subpoena. I can only conjecture that he planned on this to unite the Republicans behind him. If so, he has succeeded brilliantly.

    ‘Signals intel’ at Mar-a-Lago makes Trump’s scandal look so much worse: experts
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/signals-intel-at-mar-a-lago-makes-trumps-scandal-look-so-much-worse-experts/ar-AA10zVl7

    • 回复: @Curle
    @卵石

    They are saying Trump kept ‘signals intelligence” which is described as:

    “— intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel.”

    Compare that to eavesdropping ‘whistleblower’ Lt Colonel Alexander Vindman who listened in on an US President’s calls with an foreign leader and leaked what he heard.

    回复:@epebble

  63. @AnotherDad
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民


    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。
     

    Sillyzen,诚实的问题:你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    对我来说,这里的目的是:
    ——更好地理解实际的人类现实(“知识是好的。”)
    ——影响其他知识分子的思想——改进他们的思想/工作
    ——提供更好的政策建议
    - 为基础/现实主义/保守派宣传家和政治家提供可操作的政治建议/宣传/谈话要点

    史蒂夫在这方面做了很多——至少在直接政策上,但对直接去的有用的指示。

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“弥补音量”没有一点意义。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    史蒂夫从来没有告诉过你不要爱你的白人或你的白人同胞。

    史蒂夫的“公民主义”不是对白人的贬低,而是一种政治主张:一个国家属于它的公民,它是 练习 一个国家领导人的工作是照顾其公民的利益。 这是对我们的“精英”将美国视为可用于掠夺的随机地理国家控制市场的概念的直接谴责。 还有一个有购买的——有很多人; 白人和非白人。

    最后,你当然知道美国有一个投票通过的选举制度。 我很乐意投票给与欧洲明确的民族主义保守党相当的美国——比如欧尔班的党。 (结束移民,驱逐非法移民,着手建立负担得起的家庭组建和优生生育。)这样的政党可能会立即获得 15-20% 的选票,但这不是德国或以色列,这不会让你蹲下在国会。

    好吧,这一切你都知道。 那么你认为史蒂夫没有做什么或不提倡什么?

    你有什么实际上是 可操作?

    回复:@PhysicistDave,@愚蠢国家的公民,@愚蠢国家的公民

    AnotherDad写道:

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“按数量弥补”一点意义都没有。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    当然,有趣的是,真实的西班牙裔美国人似乎更喜欢像特朗普这样的人 不能 迎合他们,但尊重自己和他人的身份。

    被光顾真的很丢脸。 像其他人一样对西班牙裔美国人。

    • 同意: AnotherDad, Goddard
  64. 我们都是一个大家庭! 我们与某些家庭成员的关系比与其他家庭成员的关系更密切。

    An ethnicity is composed of people who are systematically more closely related to all other members in a way which belies a certain level of shared ancestry significantly greater than that shared with neighbouring groups. You could even try to make it categorical such as 5 or 6th cousins. If you plotted a network of relatedness in space you could see these relationships clearly.

    If a group of people fail to fulfill this criteria they can neither be called nor will exhibit any of the traits or behaviour at individual or collective level we commonly associate with an ethnicity. Attempts to induce the pro-social aspects of these artificially have generally failed. Further the anti-social aspects tend not to be guaranteed as is the case in Europe. (When has Finnish nationalism ever threatened anyone?)

    Americans tend to think racially but the reality is that if you go to Europe you will see this in peoples faces. (Partly why in Europe the idea of ‘white nationalism’ doesn’t make sense)

  65. @J.Ross
    @爱国者

    What crimes do Japanese commit? Insider trading?

    回复:@Mr. 挑剔

    Suicide is technically illegal in some countries

    • 回复: @J.Ross
    @先生。 挑剔

    As soon as I hit publish I thought of that. But really, when was the last time anyone heard of an infamous Japanese anything? Modern noir goes on about yakuza not because they're relevant but because, being Japanese, they're expected to be cool.

    回复:@Roderick Spode

  66. All available evidence, especially from human genomics, supports the conclusion that human genetic variation is continuous, not clustered.

    This “continuous!” thing really seems to be the race deniers hobby horse. They’re going to ride that sucker all over their playroom.

    First off, there it is obvious there is tremendous “clustering”–obvious at the oceans, but also across the Sahara, the Himalayas, and Central Asian deserts.

    But secondly … so what? You can have exceptionally easy geography and good continuity–say across the North European Plain–and yet the French, Germans, Poles and Russians aren’t the say people.

    Let’s imagine the Sahara was much better watered and there had been a lot more genetic transport across it. Tropical West and Central African are still wildly different geographically than the Northern Europe, supporting a different sort of agriculture and selecting for people who look and behave differently.

    How do a bunch of potential in-between people in northern Africa mitigate the yawning gulf between the people of the Congo and the people of Europe in intelligence, conscientiousness, time preference, impulsiveness, empathy and violence?

    It is ridiculous. What is, is. And when it dramatically affects the real world … holy cow! people notice it and name it.

    • 回复: @Corvinus
    An

    “How do a bunch of potential in-between people in northern Africa mitigate the yawning gulf between the people of the Congo and the people of Europe in intelligence, conscientiousness, time preference, impulsiveness, empathy and violence?“

    There isn’t that type of gulf as you believe.

    “End immigration, deport illegals, get to work on affordable family formation and eugenic fertility.) Such a party could probably immediately gather 15-20% of the vote“

    More like 3 to 5 percent. The problem is that affordable family formation and eugenic fertility policies are rooted in socialism.

  67. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    Andrew Anglin is one of the most fun and interesting reads here, better than Sailer for my money. Sailer wants too much to be part of the “in” crowd, Anglin doesn’t care. Razib is useless.

    • 同意: AlexanderEngUK
    • 回复: @jb
    @小飞象

    Anglin is vile.

  68. ‘This in turn requires that the entity observed possess recognizable boundaries.’

    Do people of colour even exist, given that skin tone does not have recognizable boundaries?

    After all ‘… most human physical features vary in a continuous manner, ‘, so is there even such a thing as Black people?

  69. @Oleg Panczenko
    作者

    Rob DeSalle, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History, New York USA. His research focuses on molecular systematics, microbial evolution, and genomics He is the author of over 500 scientific papers and a wide range of books, from popular science titles to textbooks on genomics.

    lan Tattersall, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    lan Tattersall is Curator Emeritus in the Division of Anthropology of the American Museum of Natural History, New York, USA. His most recent research is on the emergence of modern human cognition. He is author of over 400 scientific papers numerous books, and is a prominent interpreter of palaeoanthropology to the public and writes regularly for Natural History.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @PetrOldSack, @Art Deco

    Both authors, their curriculum: cucks, not ignorants. Worse to be a cuck (understanding that one’s gibberage is just bait for ignorants), being able to enjoy the deprecation of the public as human excrement, then being part of meat-ball society itself?

    These authors are surfers on the ocean of greed, their very own career, the short term. There is hope, a few come around in old age (M. Hudson, Paul Craig Roberts).

    The net loss for society? None, in the algorithmic blob on the internet, it is just a spit on a hot stove. Steve is just strolling the forest looking for pecurke.

  70. @Henry's Cat
    They've rolled out the heavy-hitters for this one - two white guys - just in case you didn't take the little brown ladies seriously. But it's still the same old shell game.

    回复:@nokangaroos

    In the US, to get any pertinent “creds” whatsoever you have to be a hardcore
    Boasist (a never-ceasing source of wonderment to Europeans);
    if white and male you just have to cuck twice as hard.
    Museum curators? Affirmative Action American pleeez – if anything curators
    are obsessive-compulsive (hair) 分离器 and not lumpers.
    - 至rise to the top you have to be a registered (read: mutilated)
    member, from Lewontin to Reich (to Reich´s eternal credit he does not insult
    the public intellect more than 绝对 必要的)。

  71. @Achmed E. Newman
    So, even lip size ... just an urban myth?

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    所以,即使是嘴唇大小

    “If something is not internally homogeneous and clearly distinct, then it’s just your opinion, man, it’s not Science.” – See, Mod., what these hyperly educated minds are at here? – It’s lip size too, mind you. Of course it is, – because it has to! –

    Lemme ix-plain Mod.: 一切都随之而来 科学的 区别和基于科学的规则,直到所有种类的日常欣赏都呈现为真实的样子:基于主观感受(= 不科学的. 因为科学与简单地感知事物相反:科学高于日常生活; 科学是日常生活的祭坛!

    Keep that in mind, Mod. It will help you out whenever you’re in doubt about those cowardly tempered 科学家 以及他们完全安抚的调查结果,这确保他们保持自己的地位和物质回报(他们的 爱珍珠哦!-所以!-闪亮的颜色 (汉斯·马格努斯·恩岑斯伯格,在他的诗 感激之泪 (不用补充:深深的讽刺(=非常有趣!诗)!

  72. @Dave from Oz
    @Metrictricious

    'turgid' ≠ 'turbid'.

    回复:@Mark Spahn(纽约西塞内卡)

    “I found their prose to be turgid.”

    ‘turgid’ ≠ ‘turbid’.

    Yes, these two words have different meanings, either of which could have been intended.
    turgid = swollen, distended; bombastic, pompous, grandiloquent
    turbid = muddy/cloudy from stirred-up sediment; confused, perplexed, muddled

  73. @Mr. Fussy
    @罗斯

    Suicide is technically illegal in some countries

    回复:@ J.Ross

    As soon as I hit publish I thought of that. But really, when was the last time anyone heard of an infamous Japanese anything? Modern noir goes on about yakuza not because they’re relevant but because, being Japanese, they’re expected to be cool.

    • 回复: @Roderick Spode
    @罗斯

    Google Junko Furuta

  74. @The Anti-Gnostic
    OT - Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues. Anne Heche sustained a "serious pulmonary injury" and was intubated. IOW, her ribs were broken, punctured her lungs, causing a pneumothorax and Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome which means her lungs went from moist styrofoam to wet, inelastic cardboard. Intubation is horrible, high rates of morbidity. I've watched four family members linger on it before we pulled the plug on living corpses. It's basically a Hail Mary for young adults with chest trauma. Most people over 50 don't survive it or they're brain-damaged or die within a year. That's what happens when you place a bacteria-conduit into someone's throat and use positive pressure to inflate someone's lungs (lungs operate via vacuum). Incidentally, doctors in NYC were slapping COVID patients on ventilators as "contagion control." Doctors no longer follow the Hippocratic prime directive.

    Same with Bruce Willis and his "aphasia." Bruce Willis suffers from dementia which causes aphasia. He can't replicate a single line of dialogue or follow a single line of verbal instruction. He has a pasted-together life of semi-conscious reactions: give him a basketball and he'll do a simple lay-up; put his young hot wife next to him and he'll drape his arm around her. Put Joe Biden in front of a teleprompter and he'll read it. But the studly, cocky, self-made action hero is gone.

    Anne Heche broke herself, and it's possible to do that beyond repair and sticking a tube down the throat of a living corpse makes no difference. Bruce Willis's brain is injured/worn out, and we don't know how to repair it, unlike a hip or knee joint.

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.

    回复:@ AnotherDad,@ J.Ross

    Sounds like somebody doesn’t want to spend more, produce more, own nothing, and be happy. A functioning mind is every bit as unnecessary after the Wonderful Transition as a house, gun, car, pen, or the ability to cook or write cursive.

  75. @Hypnotoad666
    If I asked one of these people: "what kind of dog do you have?" Would they say it's a "German Sheppard" or a "Chihuahua," or would they say "FU, unscientific racist, there's only one kind of dog?"

    回复:@Flying Dutchman

    If I asked one of these people: “what kind of dog do you have?” Would they say it’s a “German Sheppard” or a “Chihuahua,” or would they say “FU, unscientific racist, there’s only one kind of dog?”

    I suppose in the case of artificially bred purebreeds they grant the concept, as they certainly do where it comes to eugenic ideology vis humans, as long as the breeding is done in an artificial hi-tech way. Thus the overwhelming support among academics and liberals and SJWs (that is, all the most fervent self-alleged “anti-racists”) for the “eugenic” (dysgenic) transhumanist program, even though so far they’ve only deployed the unscientific brute force blunt object campaigns of transgenderist physical and pharmacological mutilation and the experimental Covid-giving gene-altering injections.

    They envision more precise modes of dysgenic breeding of humans to generate the distinct species of elite transhumans and a slave race bred for hard labor in the post-fossil fuel era.

    But any notion that natural separation and adaptation to greatly varying habitats over hundreds of thousands of years can generate even “significant” differences, let alone definable subspecies, is taboo for their cult of Science (scientism is the usual term for this religious/superstitious cult), no matter how much the actual science goes against them while their own thought and practice become ever more anti-scientific.

  76. @kaganovitch
    @Autisticus 痉挛

    它可以在这里

    https://philpapers.org/archive/FUETNO.pdf

    回复:@Autisticus 痉挛

    Yes, but I want to know why that paper did not generate the seismic shockwaves it should have. Have the cognitive relativists thrown together yet more mental gymnastic work-arounds to invalidate it? Hard to imagine how they could, since that paper addresses every imaginable variation of race denialism. If an exhaustive paper like that isn’t enough to satisfy them, then it should be clear to all that the race denialism is 100% ideological. The patience of the authors who put it together is nothing short of astonishing.

  77. @Bestfriend821
    @克里斯·马洛里

    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136. It’s like, yeah, no shit-of course people didn’t think there was a black race in Britain in 1136. A peasant in Britain in that era would have never seen a black person even one time in their whole life. (Despite some BBC cartoons claiming the contrary.) The typical Briton would have thought that everybody in the world was white skinned.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman, @TWS

    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136.

    It’s similar to how religiously homogenous societies with little experience of the existence of other religions seldom if ever have a word or concept analogous to “religion”. This only comes later with experience of the Other, and especially once the society starts becoming more pluralistic.

    So if the logic here is that because “race” as such is a relatively new-fangled concept it therefore follows that it doesn’t really exist, by the same logic there must be no such thing as different religions.

    And if they’d reply that “there are different religions but nobody who’s in line with Science disputes that these are only psychologically/socially real (as opposed to the unscientific yahoos who actually believe in these religions), but nevertheless we concede that with religion what begins in the mind becomes a physical reality because people take action based upon this belief”, well the same applies in the case of race.

    That includes the insistence on viewing race only through the artificial prism of alleged physical “science”. Even leaving aside the fact that the science here is mostly eye-of-the-beholder as to what constitutes a “striking”, let alone “significant” difference, the main purpose of these academic “anti-racist” activists is to weaponize Science for a political and eugenic program. Any context where it’s more convenient for them to drop the allegedly scientific “race doesn’t exist” angle, such as where they support race-based affirmative action, they drop the Science line. They’re just as much frauds where it comes to their fidelity to “science” as in any other context.

  78. @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。

    土狼和狼可以产生肥沃的后代。 它们是一个物种吗?

  79. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    Substack 似乎真正致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。

    Well don’t keep them to yourself, dammit!! I’m always looking for some good reading material. Name names!

    • 回复: @jb
    @匿名

    I didn't keep most of the links I found, but I did keep one, just so I could monitor it occasionally and see if it went away. I think the guy is a 白痴,但那是 好! -- if Substack isn't cancelling total idiots then reasonable people like Steve (and maybe me some day, if I can ever get myself organized?) will probably be safe.

  80. @AndrewR
    @jb

    https://www.amazon.com/Vagisil-Maximum-Strength-Anti-Itch-Benzocaine/dp/B000052XIB/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=3N2UDBEXA4BZ7&keywords=vagisil&qid=1660279289&sprefix=vagisi%2Caps%2C568&sr=8-3

    回复:@Verymuchalive

    I’m surprised the manufacturers don’t have “Caitlyn Jenner” advertising the product !

  81. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don't exist. Furthermore, psychologists are evil people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Deogolwulf, @res, @Anonymous

    As any sane man might tell you, human races are identifiable clusters on a continuum. So too are biological species. If the insanity we suffer could be taken to an even greater extreme by a greater logical consistency, then a man distinguishing between the clusters called ‘rabbit’ and ‘horse’ ought to be declared a bigot by the sc!entists in accordance with that greater logical consistency.

    • 同意: Rob McX
  82. 人类之间的“种族”可能(强调那个副词)不是真实的。 在描述我们的犬类朋友时,人们不会提到杜宾犬或博美犬的“种族”。 但是当人们“表现得好像”它是一个真实的东西时,他们就会给这个概念一个有形的现实。 他们想象力的产物对他们的影响就像对神奇的超自然神灵的信仰公平地定义了信徒的感知和行为一样。 种族是否是客观现实是无关紧要的:它是真实的,就像上帝一样,因为我们相信它是真实的,我们将这种信念作为我们采用的过滤器之一,试图理解生活中毫无意义的混乱。 为了保持安全,偏执是一个物种的本能反应,并不总是处于食物链的顶端。 我们在这个星球上的大部分时间里,当我们遇到一群长得不像我们的人类时,他们会试图杀死我们或奴役我们,并偷走我们的尖棍和雌性。

    • 回复: @Moses
    @观察者


    人类之间的“种族”可能(强调那个副词)不是真实的。 在描述我们的犬类朋友时,人们不会提到杜宾犬或博美犬的“种族”。
     
    无论如何,所有毫无意义的语义。

    如果人们对“种族”这个词很感兴趣,那就用“品种”这个词来描述不同类型的人类。 不可否认的是,人类被分成具有行为和身体差异的不同群体。

    每个人都知道不同的狗品种在基因上具有不同的气质和智力。 对人类也一样。
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @观察者


    人类之间的“种族”可能(强调那个副词)不是真实的。 在描述我们的犬类朋友时,人们不会提到杜宾犬或博美犬的“种族”。
     
    在英语中,没有,但在西班牙语中,狗的品种被称为“razas”,所以他们确实谈论狗的种族。

    这一切都归结为语义和你说的语言。 我认为没有人可以否认,在长途旅行(如果你愿意,可以称之为 1491)之前,特定地理区域内的人类在外观和能力方面已经进化到与他们的邻居相似。

    但与此同时,在过渡区域的边缘总是模糊不清。

    一旦跨洋旅行成为可能,就会出现种族融合,例如西班牙男性和安第斯土著女性创造了我们今天看到的南美混血儿的新类别。

    然而,人们很可能会争辩说,还有其他因素有助于当代人类文化。 例如,说西班牙语的人,无论他们是白人、黑人还是混血儿,他们在建筑、音乐和美食方面的共同点可能比与讲英语的人群有更多的共同点。

    同样,美国白人和黑人之间的共同点往往比法国人或海地人更多。

    奥巴马和特朗普之间的共同点不仅仅是住在同一所房子里。

  83. @Oleg Panczenko
    作者

    Rob DeSalle, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    Rob DeSalle is a Curator in the Sackler Institute for Comparative Biology and the Program for Microbial Research of the American Museum of Natural History, New York USA. His research focuses on molecular systematics, microbial evolution, and genomics He is the author of over 500 scientific papers and a wide range of books, from popular science titles to textbooks on genomics.

    lan Tattersall, American Museum of Natural History, New York
    lan Tattersall is Curator Emeritus in the Division of Anthropology of the American Museum of Natural History, New York, USA. His most recent research is on the emergence of modern human cognition. He is author of over 400 scientific papers numerous books, and is a prominent interpreter of palaeoanthropology to the public and writes regularly for Natural History.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @PetrOldSack, @Art Deco

    I realize he’s an old guy, but if he’s the ‘author’ of ‘over 400 scientific papers’, you’ll have to scrounge to locate a research project among them that anyone not named ‘Ian Tattersall’ would care about.

  84. @Mr. Anon
    @Chrisnonymous


    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don’t exist.
     
    You can apply their logic to a lot of things. Since dusk and dawn both exist, there is no such thing as day or night. Etc., etc.

    回复:@anon

    You can apply their logic to a lot of things. Since dusk and dawn both exist, there is no such thing as day or night. Etc., etc.

    It would also render speciation impossible since evolution is a continuum and there’s no distinct boundary between any species and its predecessor. Maybe calling these people “Evolution Deniers” would sufficiently associate them with the redneck rabble they hate as to make them reconsider the implications of their stupidity.

  85. @J.Ross
    @艺术装饰

    Well, who thought they would raid MAL? They'll do whatever they think they can get away with. But let's remember the DC Madam, whose lawyer handed the black book over to the bad guys, and who subsequently "committed suicide." Stop having faith in some process and just publish everything.

    回复:@Art Deco

    I agree with you they’re pretty comprehensively unscrupulous. Kinda dumb to proceed as if he hadn’t made copies.

  86. If you don’t read my books, you should read theirs; and in the best of all worlds you should read both.’ Joseph L. Graves, Jr, Professor of Biological Sciences, North Carolina A&T State University

    Classy — use your blurb to promote your own books.

  87. @PhysicistDave
    水手问:

    [Note to self: Before publishing, come up with some more examples of clearly distinct and internally homogeneous things in Science. Electrons?]
     
    As a physicist with a PhD from Stanford, I can speak with authority on this (my PhD thesis was on the relationship between the tau lepton and other leptons, including electrons and muons):

    Electrons? Yes.

    There is only one elementary particle with negative charge and rest energy approximately 0.511 MeV -- the electron.

    There are no other negatively charged particles with rest energies within even a factor of 2: a very clean demarcation indeed.

    How do I knew electrons are all the same? Aside from overwhelming experimental evidence, there is what's called Fermi-Dirac statistics: when you write down the quantum wave function you have to "anti-symmetrize," which really only works for particles that are 究竟 the same. (This is what causes the Pauli exclusion principle for electrons in atoms, which makes chemistry possible.)

    Now, there are some funny little things about the electron: the electron, for a short time, actually becomes an electron neutrino combined with a a muon and a mu anti-neutrino. But that little dance is just part of what it 手段 to be an electron: the electron does not become a muon as such but just, very briefly, the electron does this little three-particle dance that is part of being an electron. And the similar three-particle dance for a muon is, in a technical sense, "orthogonal" to the three-particle dance for the electron.

    So, this little sidebar is really irrelevant.

    An electron is an electron is an electron. As Gertrude Stein would have said, had she had more interest in physics than in flowers.

    回复:@megabar

    > Now, there are some funny little things about the electron: the electron, for a short time, actually becomes an electron neutrino combined with a a muon and a mu anti-neutrino.

    I don’t trust electrons. Never have. But what can you do?

  88. Of all of race-does-not-exist crowd’s canards, the “gee, we are mostly the same genetically, ergo…” is perhaps the second most ludicrous (following the one that goes, “if things lie on a continuum, then you cannot create categories of them”).

    Humans supposedly share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, which are not even in the game genus. Would the authors argue that, therefore, there is no difference between humans and chimps? Or would they say, well, 99% is sufficiently different, but 99.X%, or whatever the overlap between races is is not sufficiently different?

    Obviously the fact 99% of the DNA in humans and chimps is the same leads to the opposite conclusion, namely, the importance of seemingly small differences. I would get angry at their illogic, but there’s no point because it’s all just heavy-handed gaslighting.

    • 回复: @Rob McX
    @爱德华

    Humans share 50 percent of their genes with yeast, apparently. Maybe about enough distance to justify anti-yeastism.

    , @John Johnson
    @爱德华

    Humans supposedly share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, which are not even in the game genus. Would the authors argue that, therefore, there is no difference between humans and chimps?

    Well it is only 1% so it can be ignored since 1 is a small number when compared to 100.

    I hereby nominate Mr. Bananas the chimp for president.

    Couldn't be any worse than Biden.

  89. The arguments are about as weak as you’d expect, and break down into two groups:

    The arguments that are irrelevant:
    – There’s overlap
    – The boundaries are fuzzy
    – There’s more variation intragroup than intergroup
    – It’s immoral to believe the races differ

    The arguments that are wrong:
    – We can’t measure non-superficial differences
    – Clustering is entirely a subjective process
    – All actual differences are superficial
    – It’s immoral to believe the races differ

    They didn’t use some of the other classic argument categories:
    – Prior race research was flawed and biased, thus all such research is flawed and biased
    – We don’t understand the brain in its entirety, so we can’t say anything about group mental differences (e.g. what even is intelligence?)

    • 回复: @Rob McX
    @megabar

    That's a good summary of the specious arguments.


    There’s more variation intragroup than intergroup
     
    This is a favourite of race deniers, repeated in every "refutation" of race realism.

    There's not much consolation in knowing there's more difference among these guys as individuals than there is between them and us as races.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/26/10/4E95A3F100000578-5994687-image-a-10_1532598281797.jpg

    , @res
    @megabar

    Thanks. That is a good summary.

  90. Peoples are inherently different so we have ‘diversity’.

    Peoples are not inherently different so we require ‘equity’.

    Half the time the woke claim there are differences between races and half the time they swear there are no underlying differences.

    It’s a ‘Schrodinger’s cat’ world!

  91. White liberals are the ones peddling this “race is a social construct” idea.

    So-called Blacks insist that they were born Black – not socially constructed Black.

  92. @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    There’s no barriers between coyotes, wolves, dogs, and maybe jackals (not all jackals are equal perhaps). Would you care to take any of those animals other than dogs into your home?

    Leave little Cindy Loo R home to watch over the Indian Wolf, see the carnage when you get home. Or just leave the pet alone for an hour come home to shredded furniture and cupboards.

    Almost every single bison in North America has cow DNA, you want to try raising wooly instead of Bessie?

    I don’t know why people use this old ploy as if it still works.

    In answer to my question, no do not take a purebred or hybrid wolf or coyote into your home. I don’t know about jackals. Might want to give that a go.

  93. @megabar
    The arguments are about as weak as you'd expect, and break down into two groups:

    The arguments that are irrelevant:
    - There's overlap
    - The boundaries are fuzzy
    - There's more variation intragroup than intergroup
    - It's immoral to believe the races differ

    The arguments that are wrong:
    - We can't measure non-superficial differences
    - Clustering is entirely a subjective process
    - All actual differences are superficial
    - It's immoral to believe the races differ

    They didn't use some of the other classic argument categories:
    - Prior race research was flawed and biased, thus all such research is flawed and biased
    - We don't understand the brain in its entirety, so we can't say anything about group mental differences (e.g. what even is intelligence?)

    Replies: @Rob McX, @res

    That’s a good summary of the specious arguments.

    There’s more variation intragroup than intergroup

    This is a favourite of race deniers, repeated in every “refutation” of race realism.

    There’s not much consolation in knowing there’s more difference among these guys as individuals than there is between them and us as races.

  94. @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。

    Plenty of inter-breeding at the genus level, so even this has muddy waters.

    Lost here is that small genetic differences have great importance. Brothers are often markedly different, in ways that matter.

    Plant and animal science fuss over small differences in their otherwise practically clonal varieties; pick up a seed catalog and read the gushing prose about the various varieties.

  95. @Bestfriend821
    @克里斯·马洛里

    Slavery wasn’t based on race until the European settlement of the Americas. I think that by “the advent of slavery” they really mean the “advent of race based slavery.”

    But, really, these scholars ignore the fact that people never saw anybody outside their own race for the vast majority of human history. They at least imply that race is just a cultural construct because there was no concept of race in Britain in 1136. It’s like, yeah, no shit-of course people didn’t think there was a black race in Britain in 1136. A peasant in Britain in that era would have never seen a black person even one time in their whole life. (Despite some BBC cartoons claiming the contrary.) The typical Briton would have thought that everybody in the world was white skinned.

    Replies: @Flying Dutchman, @TWS

    The Slavic women and children sold as slaves to the dusky south would be pleased to hear this news. In fact, the Circassian women would be particularly gratified as they were sought after for their racially distinctive features.

    The Slavic trade in white fair skinned women to North Africa and the middle east was greater than the Atlantic trade and lasted much longer.

  96. @AnotherDad
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民


    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。
     

    Sillyzen,诚实的问题:你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    对我来说,这里的目的是:
    ——更好地理解实际的人类现实(“知识是好的。”)
    ——影响其他知识分子的思想——改进他们的思想/工作
    ——提供更好的政策建议
    - 为基础/现实主义/保守派宣传家和政治家提供可操作的政治建议/宣传/谈话要点

    史蒂夫在这方面做了很多——至少在直接政策上,但对直接去的有用的指示。

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“弥补音量”没有一点意义。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    史蒂夫从来没有告诉过你不要爱你的白人或你的白人同胞。

    史蒂夫的“公民主义”不是对白人的贬低,而是一种政治主张:一个国家属于它的公民,它是 练习 一个国家领导人的工作是照顾其公民的利益。 这是对我们的“精英”将美国视为可用于掠夺的随机地理国家控制市场的概念的直接谴责。 还有一个有购买的——有很多人; 白人和非白人。

    最后,你当然知道美国有一个投票通过的选举制度。 我很乐意投票给与欧洲明确的民族主义保守党相当的美国——比如欧尔班的党。 (结束移民,驱逐非法移民,着手建立负担得起的家庭组建和优生生育。)这样的政党可能会立即获得 15-20% 的选票,但这不是德国或以色列,这不会让你蹲下在国会。

    好吧,这一切你都知道。 那么你认为史蒂夫没有做什么或不提倡什么?

    你有什么实际上是 可操作?

    回复:@PhysicistDave,@愚蠢国家的公民,@愚蠢国家的公民

    你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    Well, some honesty would be nice. Which side, exactly, is Steve on? He’s very coy. You’ll notice that Steve doesn’t write about Citizenism anymore. Instead, he writes about what leaders should do if they believed in Citizenism.

    But Steve’s advice only works if Citizenism works, and I don’t believe that it does. In essence, Steve is prescribing medicine based on a false diagnosis, at least in my humble opinion. If you want a nice debate on the subject Google the discussion that Jared Taylor and Sailer had on the Citizenism around ten years ago or so.

    当时我非常支持公民主义阵营,所以我认为史蒂夫会赢得胜利。 令我惊讶的是,他没有。

    Speaking of honesty, I’ll also come clean. I’m not actually directing my comments at Steve or you, and certainly not Jack D. I’m writing to myself from ten years ago. I’m trying to save people like me a lot of wasted years.

    You see, Citizenism (aka HBD-aware, colorblind civic nationalism) – like Libertarianism – is a very seductive ideology, particularly for a reasonably bright, reasonably nice white guy who is beginning to notice that the narrative on race isn’t holding up to what he sees everyday. Citizenism allows him to feel both smart and moral without having to do anything or choose a side.

    Citizenism, very much like Libertarianism, is a way to hide and feel good about it. You get to mock both the Left and the Right for not noticing that races are on average different (there’s the smart side) and to look down your nose at the Left for engaging in identity politics (there’s the morally superior side) – all while never having to get out your chair or challenging your own belief about why identity politics is wrong.

    相信我,我知道这种吸引力,因为我多年来一直是信徒。

    But, again, like Libertarianism, Citizenism simply doesn’t work in the real world. It only exists in the minds of a certain kind of white guy – and the lone Asian known as Twinkie. You need only look over the past two decades to understand how horribly Citizenism has failed.

    In the 1990s, the Left chose identity politics and they’ve been winning ever since. They won the ultimate power by controlling immigration, ensuring their long-term victory. They control the media, mocking whites and pushing for miscegenation in literally every show and commercial. They recently took control of corporate America.

    Our entire society is hyper race aware with whites on the bottom of the totem pole. We couldn’t have move farther away from Citizenism over the two decades, so why do you and Steve feel that the next two decades will be different?

    However, because Steve is a very witty writer and seemingly a very nice guy, iSteve and Citizenism is a very tempting eddy to divert whites from truly understanding their situation, which is that our rulers hate us and want us dead – and Citizenism isn’t going to stop them.

    So, I apologize to Steve and other commenters if I sound harsh. But my comments have to hit at the heart of Citizenism if I’m going to wake up my old self and, hopefully, others. Unfortunately, I have to mock and disparage the inconsistencies, the long-term failure and obvious deficiencies of Citizenism to get people to think beyond just the particular subject of Steve’s post.

    I honestly respect Steve for what he’s done over the years. He helped a lot of people understand HBD. But Citizenism is a failure, mostly because it’s unnatural. What’s worse is that Citizenism prevents many whites from understanding what really needs to be done to save themselves and their people. It’s my job to pull them out of the Sailer eddy and get them back on their journey to the truth.

    • 谢谢: Moses
    • 回复: @Rob McX
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    I think everybody who comments here would prefer a homogeneous nation without the competition and hostility between different races. But, being stuck with a multiracial country, many white conservatives see the citizenism route as the only option.

    Steve Sailer's solution is to treat all people as citizens but without the massively destructive fiction of racial equality, or the delusion that putting more non-whites into the mix won't make things worse. I can see why people would opt for that course of action. Any alternative would mean deportation of millions of people, or their removal to racial enclaves within America. This doesn't seem achievable.

    But the current state of affairs is the worst of all possible worlds. Whites are the only race that doesn't look out for itself, and they're surrounded by ever-increasing numbers of non-whites who eat, sleep and breathe racial identity politics.

    回复:@愚蠢国家的公民,@Moses

    , @Anonymous
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    Excuse me, but could you define what you're talking about when you say "Libertarianism"?

    回复:@John Johnson

  97. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    Uhmm…. the Left never apologizes for their side’s ickyness.

    右派为了取悦左派而运行纯洁螺旋永远不会奏效。

    I don’t even think the UNZ stuff is even that bad. Might be better to let it all hang out.

  98. @International Jew
    @乡下人农夫

    Yep. One way or another, these people will have to invent a new word for the thing that doesn't exist but that they love to talk about. And inevitably that new word will in time become taboo. It's the ol' euphemism rollercoaster.

    回复:@Justvisiting

    It’s the ol’ euphemism rollercoaster.

    Maybe they will go back to the old words–and folks will start believing in “ghosts”.

    😉

  99. @AnotherDad
    @反诺斯替教派


    OT – Steve it would be a public service to pierce the euphemistic way media has for talking about grave, end-of-life issues.

    ...

    Understand these awful, tragic things, and we can set some priorities and dedicate some resources.
     
    Thanks for the tip on Heche. Not sure of the ask here?

    I think we're all aware driving drunk--especially at high speed and through a neighborhood--is a really, really bad idea. Heche's family is pulling the plug--after harvest--so I don't think seriousness is an issue the media will be glossing over in this case.

    Willis strikes me as the standard "we get old and stuff breaks down" and "no guarantee on tomorrow". He's a good reminder for me, resembling me in look and age. (Though I lack the cute 年轻 wife, as AnotherMom and I are chugging happily toward 40 together.)

    Dying sucks? Eat your meat and veggies. Get plenty of exercise out in the sunshine and fresh air. Don't do drugs or drink too much. Keep enjoying lots of sex with your spouse and enjoy time with your family. Anything else?

    回复:@The Anti-Gnostic

    I think you’ve got it covered brother. May you and your bride enjoy 40 more.

  100. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don't exist. Furthermore, psychologists are evil people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Deogolwulf, @res, @Anonymous

    It applies to so many things it is a known fallacy with several names. I prefer the “Continuum Fallacy,” but Wikipedia does not like that one.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AContinuum_fallacy

    Wikipedia puts that under the Sorites paradox.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox#Continuum_fallacy

    P.S. “Hills don’t exist” is a useful analogy accessible to everyone. Or the even more relevant “dog breeds don’t exist.”

    • 谢谢: ic1000, bomag
  101. @John Milton’s Ghost
    Where’s Corvinus? This is his favorite type of iSteve article to whine about these days.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @res

    He’s busy with the Mar-a-Lago thread. Trolls have priorities.

    • 哈哈: bomag
  102. [Desalle and Tattersall] establish for the reader the fundamental mechanisms of evolution that are responsible for the variation within all species; then they explain how people thought about variation before there was a science to correctly explain it. The book guides the reader through how racial thinking changed as our understanding of evolution, as well as the technology to understand genetic variation, improved.

    1. If these claims were correct, the book would be an informative read.

    2. If these claims were correct, the book would cover much the same ground as a Steve Sailer post… or an AnotherDad comment.

    3. That book has already been written — eight years ago, by Nicholas Wade.

  103. @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。

    你所指的过程,异域物种形成,不会也不会发生,因为它包含一个矛盾。 它假设人口中断事件在巨大的时间尺度上只发生一次,而且只在一个方向上发生。 如果我们将遗传漂变的时间范围概括为 A 和地理隔离事件 B, 异域物种形成断言 A 移动速度比 BB 移动速度比 A.

  104. Of men & wolves

    • 回复: @John Johnson
    @ mc23

    Since Grey wolves and Yorkies are over 99% the same I think sound policy would be to boost the wolf population by releasing Yorkies into Federal wolf areas. Anyone that disagrees is just a Yorkie hating fascist that doesn't accept the science.

    回复:@ mc23

  105. @megabar
    The arguments are about as weak as you'd expect, and break down into two groups:

    The arguments that are irrelevant:
    - There's overlap
    - The boundaries are fuzzy
    - There's more variation intragroup than intergroup
    - It's immoral to believe the races differ

    The arguments that are wrong:
    - We can't measure non-superficial differences
    - Clustering is entirely a subjective process
    - All actual differences are superficial
    - It's immoral to believe the races differ

    They didn't use some of the other classic argument categories:
    - Prior race research was flawed and biased, thus all such research is flawed and biased
    - We don't understand the brain in its entirety, so we can't say anything about group mental differences (e.g. what even is intelligence?)

    Replies: @Rob McX, @res

    Thanks. That is a good summary.

  106. @EdwardM
    Of all of race-does-not-exist crowd's canards, the "gee, we are mostly the same genetically, ergo..." is perhaps the second most ludicrous (following the one that goes, "if things lie on a continuum, then you cannot create categories of them").

    Humans supposedly share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, which are not even in the game genus. Would the authors argue that, therefore, there is no difference between humans and chimps? Or would they say, well, 99% is sufficiently different, but 99.X%, or whatever the overlap between races is is not sufficiently different?

    Obviously the fact 99% of the DNA in humans and chimps is the same leads to the opposite conclusion, namely, the importance of seemingly small differences. I would get angry at their illogic, but there's no point because it's all just heavy-handed gaslighting.

    回复:@Rob McX,@John Johnson

    Humans share 50 percent of their genes with yeast, apparently. Maybe about enough distance to justify anti-yeastism.

  107. I was a little taken aback when an interviewee (white woman) asked what my company is doing to promote diversity and inclusion. Next time, I’m going to answer that race doesn’t exist anyway so it’s irrelevant. I think this answer will be useful in quite a few situations.

    • 回复: @Justvisiting
    @FrankRizzo


    I was a little taken aback when an interviewee (white woman) asked what my company is doing to promote diversity and inclusion
     
    You should have said we fire straight white men whenever we can identify them!
    , @Curle
    @FrankRizzo

    Should have said “hiring more untalented people to balance out the talented ones. Seems you may be our target applicant.”

  108. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。

    可能为史蒂夫工作,作为他旧 iSteve 博客的替代品。

    But it’s definitely neither any sort off community, nor any sort of magazine. Following your comment, I went over and looked through their “front page”, their “what to read”. Seriously there was absolutely nothing of 任何 interest. I did the “show me more” or equivalent. Just complete uninteresting crap, on and on and on and on.

    It’s like wordpress with subscription or something. Steve would be back in his own little house.

    What Ron offers is his magazine. It’s just that the quality of the magazine has declined. It used to be there were a few other interesting people to read, along with links to solid guys like Buchanan and the Derb.

    • 谢谢: MEH 0910
    • 回复: @jb
    An

    But that's the beauty -- there is no real front page! You don't want a "community"; what you want is for anybody to be able to publish, and this requires that the respectable people be insulated from guilt by association with the wackos. Substack accomplishes this by making most blogs impossible to find without a direct link. That way the wackos can publish without fear of being cancelled (a 主要 benefit for them/us), while Substack gets to promote whatever blogs it feels will enhance its status and draw in new creators. If you are a true believer in freedom of speech it's really quite brilliant!

  109. @AnotherDad

    All available evidence, especially from human genomics, supports the conclusion that human genetic variation is continuous, not clustered.
     
    This "continuous!" thing really seems to be the race deniers hobby horse. They're going to ride that sucker all over their playroom.

    First off, there it is obvious there is tremendous "clustering"--obvious at the oceans, but also across the Sahara, the Himalayas, and Central Asian deserts.

    But secondly ... so what? You can have exceptionally easy geography and good continuity--say across the North European Plain--and yet the French, Germans, Poles and Russians aren't the say people.

    Let's imagine the Sahara was much better watered and there had been a lot more genetic transport across it. Tropical West and Central African are still wildly different geographically than the Northern Europe, supporting a different sort of agriculture and selecting for people who look and behave differently.

    How do a bunch of potential in-between people in northern Africa mitigate the yawning gulf between the people of the Congo and the people of Europe in intelligence, conscientiousness, time preference, impulsiveness, empathy and violence?

    It is ridiculous. What is, is. And when it dramatically affects the real world ... holy cow! people notice it and name it.

    回复:@Corvinus

    “How do a bunch of potential in-between people in northern Africa mitigate the yawning gulf between the people of the Congo and the people of Europe in intelligence, conscientiousness, time preference, impulsiveness, empathy and violence?“

    There isn’t that type of gulf as you believe.

    “End immigration, deport illegals, get to work on affordable family formation and eugenic fertility.) Such a party could probably immediately gather 15-20% of the vote“

    More like 3 to 5 percent. The problem is that affordable family formation and eugenic fertility policies are rooted in socialism.

  110. @anon
    @jb


    Substack 似乎真正致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。
     
    好吧,不要把它们留给自己,该死!! 我一直在寻找一些好的阅读材料。 起名字!

    回复:@jb

    I didn’t keep most of the links I found, but I did keep one, just so I could monitor it occasionally and see if it went away. I think the guy is a 白痴,但那是 好! — if Substack isn’t cancelling total idiots then reasonable people like Steve (and maybe me some day, if I can ever get myself organized?) will probably be safe.

  111. @AnotherDad
    @jb


    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。
     
    可能为史蒂夫工作,作为他旧 iSteve 博客的替代品。

    但它绝对不是任何类型的社区,也不是任何类型的杂志。 根据您的评论,我过去浏览了他们的“首页”,他们的“阅读内容”。 说真的,绝对没有 任何 兴趣。 我做了“向我展示更多”或同等的东西。 只是完成无趣的废话,不断地不断地。

    这就像带有订阅或其他东西的wordpress。 史蒂夫会回到他自己的小房子里。

    罗恩提供的是他的杂志。 只是杂志的质量下降了。 曾经有一些其他有趣的人可以阅读,以及与 Buchanan 和 Derb 等可靠人的链接。

    回复:@jb

    But that’s the beauty — there is no real front page! You don’t want a “community”; what you want is for anybody to be able to publish, and this requires that the respectable people be insulated from guilt by association with the wackos. Substack accomplishes this by making most blogs impossible to find without a direct link. That way the wackos can publish without fear of being cancelled (a 主要 benefit for them/us), while Substack gets to promote whatever blogs it feels will enhance its status and draw in new creators. If you are a true believer in freedom of speech it’s really quite brilliant!

  112. Oh my God! I’ve just stumbled upon the most Earth shaking theory ever conceived. People, animals, rocks and anything are exactly the same because we’re all made up of the same atoms – there is absolutely no difference between people and anything made of matter. It’s just a rearrangement of THE SAME ATOMS!!! Just mail me my Nobel Prize; I don’t like to travel.

    • 哈哈: Rob McX
    • 回复: @Francis Miville
    @马尔科姆Y

    Error : atoms of a given isotope, apart from having unmistakable common characteristics such as the number of protons, electrons, neutrons, and other sub-particles, also have a great individuality enabling them to keep an individual memory of its contacts with other atoms. You should read "The memory of Water", by Benveniste : https://thememoryofwater.com/.

  113. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    像 Unz 这样的地方的评论系统是其中最复杂的部分。

    不过,如果史蒂夫恢复独立,他可以使用像 Disqus 这样的系统。 设置它仍然需要一些工作。

    有些人很偏执,以至于他们可能不会使用 Disqus。 但是谁还需要这么偏执的人呢?

    • 回复: @jb
    @卡特(Frau Katze)

    I have to admit that the commenting system at unz.com is the best I've ever seen, and by a fairly wide margin. It would be great if Ron could license it to other sites.

  114. @AnotherDad
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民


    所以,这些人否认种族是真实的是愚蠢的,但人们注意到种族并与你自己的大家庭有血缘关系也是错误的。

    史蒂夫,你真的没有注意到你自己的矛盾吗?

    如果种族是真实的——而且确实如此——那么感觉与自己的人民更紧密地联系在一起是自然而美好的。 然而,你主张相反。 你的立场既不一致又无情。
     

    Sillyzen,诚实的问题:你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?

    对我来说,这里的目的是:
    ——更好地理解实际的人类现实(“知识是好的。”)
    ——影响其他知识分子的思想——改进他们的思想/工作
    ——提供更好的政策建议
    - 为基础/现实主义/保守派宣传家和政治家提供可操作的政治建议/宣传/谈话要点

    史蒂夫在这方面做了很多——至少在直接政策上,但对直接去的有用的指示。

    史蒂夫是特别指出布什/罗夫概念让西班牙裔美国人对共和党人感觉更好的人——所以他们以 65-35 而不是民主党人的 70-30 投票——通过进口更多的人并以某种方式“弥补音量”没有一点意义。 但共和党人有可能获胜并继续这样做几十年,而白人选票仅略有增加。 即Sailer Strategy,这基本上是特朗普使用的。

    史蒂夫从来没有告诉过你不要爱你的白人或你的白人同胞。

    史蒂夫的“公民主义”不是对白人的贬低,而是一种政治主张:一个国家属于它的公民,它是 练习 一个国家领导人的工作是照顾其公民的利益。 这是对我们的“精英”将美国视为可用于掠夺的随机地理国家控制市场的概念的直接谴责。 还有一个有购买的——有很多人; 白人和非白人。

    最后,你当然知道美国有一个投票通过的选举制度。 我很乐意投票给与欧洲明确的民族主义保守党相当的美国——比如欧尔班的党。 (结束移民,驱逐非法移民,着手建立负担得起的家庭组建和优生生育。)这样的政党可能会立即获得 15-20% 的选票,但这不是德国或以色列,这不会让你蹲下在国会。

    好吧,这一切你都知道。 那么你认为史蒂夫没有做什么或不提倡什么?

    你有什么实际上是 可操作?

    回复:@PhysicistDave,@愚蠢国家的公民,@愚蠢国家的公民

    Btw, it also pisses me off that Sailer surreptitiously bans certain commenters by waiting days sometimes to post them, just as he’s doing right now.

    表现出一些勇气,史蒂夫。 如果你想禁止人,那么就禁止他们。

    就像公民主义一样,您的等待政策禁令只是另一种形式的逃避现实。

  115. So, a prog prof from NC A&T says it’s a great read…plus anything he writes. A&T is a HBCU and Jesse Jackson’s alma mater.

    Go figure that.

  116. @EdwardM
    Of all of race-does-not-exist crowd's canards, the "gee, we are mostly the same genetically, ergo..." is perhaps the second most ludicrous (following the one that goes, "if things lie on a continuum, then you cannot create categories of them").

    Humans supposedly share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, which are not even in the game genus. Would the authors argue that, therefore, there is no difference between humans and chimps? Or would they say, well, 99% is sufficiently different, but 99.X%, or whatever the overlap between races is is not sufficiently different?

    Obviously the fact 99% of the DNA in humans and chimps is the same leads to the opposite conclusion, namely, the importance of seemingly small differences. I would get angry at their illogic, but there's no point because it's all just heavy-handed gaslighting.

    回复:@Rob McX,@John Johnson

    Humans supposedly share 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, which are not even in the game genus. Would the authors argue that, therefore, there is no difference between humans and chimps?

    Well it is only 1% so it can be ignored since 1 is a small number when compared to 100.

    I hereby nominate Mr. Bananas the chimp for president.

    Couldn’t be any worse than Biden.

  117. @mc23
    Of men & wolves


    https://twitter.com/PIAccount1/status/1557939692821221376?s=20&t=m3VsYk78Jg-TLwN1jKxhDw

    回复:@John Johnson

    Since Grey wolves and Yorkies are over 99% the same I think sound policy would be to boost the wolf population by releasing Yorkies into Federal wolf areas. Anyone that disagrees is just a Yorkie hating fascist that doesn’t accept the science.

    • 哈哈: Joe Paluka
    • 回复: @mc23
    @约翰·约翰逊

    I imagine wolves, despite being the indigenous species, would be okay with that.

  118. @Dumbo
    @jb

    Andrew Anglin 是这里最有趣和最有趣的读物之一,对我来说比 Sailer 更好。 Sailer 太想成为“流行”人群中的一员,Anglin 不在乎。 拉兹布没用。

    回复:@jb

    Anglin is vile.

    • 不同意: AlexanderEngUK
  119. @FrankRizzo
    I was a little taken aback when an interviewee (white woman) asked what my company is doing to promote diversity and inclusion. Next time, I’m going to answer that race doesn’t exist anyway so it’s irrelevant. I think this answer will be useful in quite a few situations.

    回复:@Justvisiting,@Curle

    I was a little taken aback when an interviewee (white woman) asked what my company is doing to promote diversity and inclusion

    You should have said we fire straight white men whenever we can identify them!

  120. Has it been reviewed on NPR yet, and how much did they love it?

  121. @gutta percha
    "races are purely cultural constructs and do not result from any acceptable form of taxonomic analysis of our species"

    任何 'acceptable form' of taxonomic analysis of extant populations of genus Homo? I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is 不能 'acceptable?' Or does the 'acceptable' analysis exist, but they ignore it? I'll read their book if it ever hits the public library.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @New Dealer, @epebble

    Gutta Percha asked, “I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is not ‘acceptable?’

    The answer is yes, they are saying that there are distinct human groups that have become extinct, but that within the present pool of humans there are no distinct groups.

    In terms of human evolution, Tattersall believes the process was more a matter of evolutionary experimentation in which a new species entered the environment, competed with other life forms, and either succeeded, failed, or became extinct within that environment: “To put it in perspective, consider the fact that the history of diversity and competition among human species began some five million years ago when there were at least four different human species living on the same landscape. Yet as a result of evolutionary experimentation, only one species has prospered and survived. One human species is now the only twig on what was once a big branching bush of different species.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Tattersall

    It’s the dialectic!

  122. @AndrewR
    @gutta percha

    鉴于任何人群之间没有明显的生育障碍,可以肯定地说所有现存的人类都属于同一物种。 但人们想知道在物种形成之前需要多长时间。 在这一点上,它可能不会发生。 我们要么融合在一起,要么毁灭自己。 也许两者都会发生。

    回复:@Goddard、@TWS、@bomag、@Intelligent Dasein、@Moses

    Lions and tigers can procreate together. Are they the same species?

  123. @Observator
    “Race” among humans is probably (with emphasis on that adverb) not a real thing. One does not speak of the “races” of Dobermans or Pomeranians when describing our canine friends. But people give the concept a tangible actuality when they “act as if” it were a real thing. This product of their imagination impacts them just the way belief in a magical, supernatural god comes to fairly define the perception and conduct of believers. Whether or not race is objective reality is immaterial: it is real, like god, because we believe it’s real, and we use this belief as one of the filters we adopt to try to make sense of the senseless chaos of life. And in order to stay safe, for paranoia is an instinctive reaction of a species that was not always at the top of the food chain. And for most of the time we've been on this planet, when we encountered a band of humans that didn't look like us, they would try to kill us or enslave us, and steal our pointy sticks and females.

    Replies: @Moses, @Jonathan Mason

    人类之间的“种族”可能(强调那个副词)不是真实的。 在描述我们的犬类朋友时,人们不会提到杜宾犬或博美犬的“种族”。

    无论如何,所有毫无意义的语义。

    If people are hung up on word “race”, just use the word “breeds” to describe different types of humans. It is undeniable that humans ARE separated into distinct groups with behavioral and physical differences.

    每个人都知道不同的狗品种在基因上具有不同的气质和智力。 对人类也一样。

  124. @rebunga
    Just stop. A three year old knows about race.

    Ask these cats or the white off duty cop they jumped if they know about race . . . .

    https://i.imgur.com/TacMY2G.gif

    So here we have some scientists who try to say it's not genetic. . . . SO WHAT! I don't care if it's caused by the drinking water or cosmic waves or whateverthefuck!

    A-holes are A-holes. You can spend your life trying to crack the code just like Newton tried alchemy. Waste of time. Better not to live near or encounter them.

    回复:@Moses

    Nah. It’s genetic.

  125. Recognizing that (the three main) races exist is fundamental to their eventual comprehension, as Mr. Sailer admits. But what are they really? How do they run their brains? Why do they exist? Who made them and what was He thinking? These are by no means insoluble questions, and the idealist answers will astound you:

    https://www.academia.edu/36536128/The_Spirit_of_War

    Then there is the ticklish question of the Negrids. What is so special about them (as Mr. Sailer has wisely asked elsewhere in “Steve Blog”) that “wokeness” grants them the greatest latitude sociopolitically? Indeed, they ARE special! Want to know why? Desire to know how? Here it is in a few pages:

    https://www.academia.edu/49131287/Brief_Exposition_on_the_Depth_of_the_Negrid_Face

  126. @Chrisnonymous
    Speaking of crazy people, you could apply this same logic to psychological variation to deconstruct mental illness. Autism exists on a spectrum? Well, I guess autistics and normies don't exist. Furthermore, psychologists are evil people.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Deogolwulf, @res, @Anonymous

    Well, autism actually *是* a bullshit undefinable concept that shouldn’t be viewed as scientific. Same with a lot of DSM type vague personality disorders. Race is far far more concrete and the biological connections are clear

    • 回复: @Curle
    @匿名的

    “Well, autism actually *is* a bullshit undefinable concept”

    Wrong on both counts. The definition relates to certain identifiable and observable behaviors for which they are narrowing in on a cause.

    https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/molecular-mechanisms-autism-linked-to-small-hypothalamus/

  127. The “racial differences are superficial” trope fails to notice that two races can create civilizations while the two others can neither create them nor maintain those that colonialism provided.

    As I’ve argued before, such a crucial difference is the mark of different species, not just different races.

    • 回复: @AlexanderEngUK
    @伯特

    Yes, Whites and east asians are the only two races who can create modern civilisations or maintain those given to them by colonialism, and so we are very different to the other races (and actually very different to each other too, as I confirmed personally when I lived in Japan). But I've always understood species to mean a category of animals (or organisms) who can breed together and produce viable offspring, and that is the common definition of 'species'.

    回复:@Bert

  128. @Anonymous
    Race is real, of course.

    But even if unreal and only a construct, so what?

    Jewishness is just a construct, but it's accepted as a group category, an identity, a history, and a set of interests with legitimacy for political organization.

    回复:@Bert

    Jewishness is just a construct

    Go to the encyclopedia and try to wrap your head around the concepts of consanguinity and endogamy.

  129. Interviewer: Can you describe Mosaic evolution?

    Ian Tattersall: Mosaic evolution is a concept that embraces the notion that characteristics accumulate in the phylogeny at different rates. I don’t think it’s a very useful concept.

    https://www.learner.org/series/rediscovering-biology-molecular-to-global-perspectives/human-evolution/expert-interview-transcript-ian-tattersall-phd/

    The above response by Tattersall shows that he is capable of a high level of cognitive dissonance. Australopithecines evolved bipedalism and increased brain size followed. Every high school biology teacher knows this, and knows that it is mosaic evolution. His definition is actually not accurate; mosaic evolution refers to the sequential accumulation of separate traits in an adaptive complex.

    Another of Tattersall’s incompatible conceptual pairs is that cognition is the key trait of human evolution versus the fact that only two of the human races use cognition to create complex societies, i.e., civilizations.

    The man is nuts.

  130. @Frau Katze
    @jb

    像 Unz 这样的地方的评论系统是其中最复杂的部分。

    不过,如果史蒂夫恢复独立,他可以使用像 Disqus 这样的系统。 设置它仍然需要一些工作。

    有些人很偏执,以至于他们可能不会使用 Disqus。 但是谁还需要这么偏执的人呢?

    回复:@jb

    I have to admit that the commenting system at unz.com is the best I’ve ever seen, and by a fairly wide margin. It would be great if Ron could license it to other sites.

  131. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    Don’t listen to him, Steve. His fawning praise is poison. He means to say that you and he can form a private club, man. Just for other enlightened beings like you two.

    如果你按照他说的去做,你就会被孤立。 这是重点。

    His condemnation of AA shows that he fears AA’s fearlessness. That AA is part spoof is apparent to everyone. He says outrageous things deliberately and can get away with it because he’s the court jester and because there’s an element of truth in everything he says. What would a road trip be without a mad hatter like AA?

    无聊

    至于拉齐布,他对自己的评价太高了,表现出典型的(不是特别出色的)印度男人的多刺。 甩掉包袱。 另外,他更喜欢用行话来拉皮条和装扮自己,而不是向我们这些公认的知识较少但渴望学习的业余爱好者真正解释遗传学的事实和理论。

    • 回复: @fnn
    @三只鹤

    Plus Razib has no sense of humor.

  132. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    An


    你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?
     
    好吧,诚实一点就好了。 史蒂夫到底站在哪一边? 他很腼腆。 你会注意到史蒂夫不再写关于公民主义的文章了。 相反,他写的是如果领导者相信公民主义,他们应该做什么。

    但史蒂夫的建议只有在公民主义有效的情况下才有效,我不相信它有效。 从本质上讲,史蒂夫是根据错误的诊断开药的,至少在我看来是这样。 如果你想就这个主题进行一场精彩的辩论,请谷歌搜索 Jared Taylor 和 Sailer 在大约十年前就公民主义进行的讨论。

    当时我非常支持公民主义阵营,所以我认为史蒂夫会赢得胜利。 令我惊讶的是,他没有。

    说实话,我也会坦白的。 我实际上并没有将我的评论指向史蒂夫或你,当然也不是杰克 D。我是在十年前写给自己的。 我正在努力为像我这样的人节省很多浪费的时间。

    你看,公民主义(又名 HBD 意识,色盲公民民族主义) - 就像自由主义一样 - 是一种非常诱人的意识形态,特别是对于一个相当聪明,相当不错的白人,他开始注意到关于种族的叙述不符合他每天看到的。 公民主义使他无需做任何事情或选择一方就可以感到既聪明又道德。

    公民主义,非常像自由主义,是一种隐藏和感觉良好的方式。 你可以嘲笑左派和右派,因为他们没有注意到种族的平均差异(有聪明的一面),并且因为参与身份政治而对左派嗤之以鼻(有道德上优越的一面)——虽然从来没有不得不离开你的椅子或挑战你自己关于为什么身份政治是错误的信念。

    相信我,我知道这种吸引力,因为我多年来一直是信徒。

    但是,就像自由主义一样,公民主义在现实世界中根本行不通。 它只存在于某种白人的头脑中——以及被称为 Twinkie 的孤独的亚洲人。 你只需要回顾过去的二十年,就可以了解公民主义是多么可怕地失败了。

    在 1990 年代,左派选择了身份政治,从那以后他们一直在获胜。 他们通过控制移民赢得了最终的权力,确保了他们的长期胜利。 他们控制媒体,在几乎每一个节目和广告中嘲笑白人并推动异族通婚。 他们最近控制了美国企业。

    我们的整个社会都具有高度种族意识,白人在图腾柱的底部。 在过去的二十年里,我们不可能远离公民主义,那么为什么你和史蒂夫觉得接下来的二十年会有所不同?

    然而,因为史蒂夫是一位非常诙谐的作家,而且似乎是一个非常好的人,所以 iSteve 和公民主义是一个非常诱人的漩涡,可以转移白人真正理解他们的处境,即我们的统治者讨厌我们并希望我们死 - 而公民主义不是要去阻止他们。

    所以,如果我听起来很苛刻,我向史蒂夫和其他评论者道歉。 但是,如果我要唤醒我的旧自我,并希望能唤醒其他人,我的评论必须触及公民主义的核心。 不幸的是,我不得不嘲笑和贬低公民主义的不一致、长期失败和明显的缺陷,以使人们不仅仅思考史蒂夫帖子的特定主题。

    老实说,我尊重史蒂夫多年来所做的一切。 他帮助很多人了解HBD。 但公民主义是失败的,主要是因为它不自然。 更糟糕的是,公民主义使许多白人无法理解真正需要做什么来拯救他们自己和他们的人民。 我的工作是把他们从 Sailer 漩涡中拉出来,让他们重新踏上通往真相的旅程。

    回复:@Rob McX,@ Anonymous

    I think everybody who comments here would prefer a homogeneous nation without the competition and hostility between different races. But, being stuck with a multiracial country, many white conservatives see the citizenism route as the only option.

    Steve Sailer’s solution is to treat all people as citizens but without the massively destructive fiction of racial equality, or the delusion that putting more non-whites into the mix won’t make things worse. I can see why people would opt for that course of action. Any alternative would mean deportation of millions of people, or their removal to racial enclaves within America. This doesn’t seem achievable.

    But the current state of affairs is the worst of all possible worlds. Whites are the only race that doesn’t look out for itself, and they’re surrounded by ever-increasing numbers of non-whites who eat, sleep and breathe racial identity politics.

    • 回复: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    罗布·麦克克斯(Rob McX)

    Yes, if Citizenism was a realistic option, it would be our best choice. But it's not.

    I'm not saying that I prefer white identity politics over Citizenism. I'm saying Citizenism is a false hope, so you need to choose a path that works in the real world.

    Identity politics has a proven track record. Citizenism does not. At this point, Citizenism is a form of escapism.

    Also, whites joining the identity politics game doesn't mean deportations or violence. It simply means whites protecting themselves and not letting themselves remain second-class citizens.

    Freedom of association will work its magic.

    回复:@Rob McX

    , @Moses
    罗布·麦克克斯(Rob McX)


    This doesn’t seem achievable.
     
    Rock, meet hard place.

    The status quo cannot go on either.
  133. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    An


    你想从史蒂夫那里得到什么?
     
    好吧,诚实一点就好了。 史蒂夫到底站在哪一边? 他很腼腆。 你会注意到史蒂夫不再写关于公民主义的文章了。 相反,他写的是如果领导者相信公民主义,他们应该做什么。

    但史蒂夫的建议只有在公民主义有效的情况下才有效,我不相信它有效。 从本质上讲,史蒂夫是根据错误的诊断开药的,至少在我看来是这样。 如果你想就这个主题进行一场精彩的辩论,请谷歌搜索 Jared Taylor 和 Sailer 在大约十年前就公民主义进行的讨论。

    当时我非常支持公民主义阵营,所以我认为史蒂夫会赢得胜利。 令我惊讶的是,他没有。

    说实话,我也会坦白的。 我实际上并没有将我的评论指向史蒂夫或你,当然也不是杰克 D。我是在十年前写给自己的。 我正在努力为像我这样的人节省很多浪费的时间。

    你看,公民主义(又名 HBD 意识,色盲公民民族主义) - 就像自由主义一样 - 是一种非常诱人的意识形态,特别是对于一个相当聪明,相当不错的白人,他开始注意到关于种族的叙述不符合他每天看到的。 公民主义使他无需做任何事情或选择一方就可以感到既聪明又道德。

    公民主义,非常像自由主义,是一种隐藏和感觉良好的方式。 你可以嘲笑左派和右派,因为他们没有注意到种族的平均差异(有聪明的一面),并且因为参与身份政治而对左派嗤之以鼻(有道德上优越的一面)——虽然从来没有不得不离开你的椅子或挑战你自己关于为什么身份政治是错误的信念。

    相信我,我知道这种吸引力,因为我多年来一直是信徒。

    但是,就像自由主义一样,公民主义在现实世界中根本行不通。 它只存在于某种白人的头脑中——以及被称为 Twinkie 的孤独的亚洲人。 你只需要回顾过去的二十年,就可以了解公民主义是多么可怕地失败了。

    在 1990 年代,左派选择了身份政治,从那以后他们一直在获胜。 他们通过控制移民赢得了最终的权力,确保了他们的长期胜利。 他们控制媒体,在几乎每一个节目和广告中嘲笑白人并推动异族通婚。 他们最近控制了美国企业。

    我们的整个社会都具有高度种族意识,白人在图腾柱的底部。 在过去的二十年里,我们不可能远离公民主义,那么为什么你和史蒂夫觉得接下来的二十年会有所不同?

    然而,因为史蒂夫是一位非常诙谐的作家,而且似乎是一个非常好的人,所以 iSteve 和公民主义是一个非常诱人的漩涡,可以转移白人真正理解他们的处境,即我们的统治者讨厌我们并希望我们死 - 而公民主义不是要去阻止他们。

    所以,如果我听起来很苛刻,我向史蒂夫和其他评论者道歉。 但是,如果我要唤醒我的旧自我,并希望能唤醒其他人,我的评论必须触及公民主义的核心。 不幸的是,我不得不嘲笑和贬低公民主义的不一致、长期失败和明显的缺陷,以使人们不仅仅思考史蒂夫帖子的特定主题。

    老实说,我尊重史蒂夫多年来所做的一切。 他帮助很多人了解HBD。 但公民主义是失败的,主要是因为它不自然。 更糟糕的是,公民主义使许多白人无法理解真正需要做什么来拯救他们自己和他们的人民。 我的工作是把他们从 Sailer 漩涡中拉出来,让他们重新踏上通往真相的旅程。

    回复:@Rob McX,@ Anonymous

    Excuse me, but could you define what you’re talking about when you say “Libertarianism”?

    • 回复: @John Johnson
    @匿名的

    Excuse me, but could you define what you’re talking about when you say “Libertarianism”?

    Pretend that race doesn't affect outcomes and promote individuality while the left creates massive systems of White-blaming explanations that eventually crush all your efforts due to natural appeal to non-Whites and bitter White egalitarians.

    Libertarianism.

    As with race denial conservatism it really doesn't work in the long term as you are unable to give non-environmental explanations for inequality. This just favors the left in any debate. They blame White racism with Academia Approved(tm) arguments and conservatives can only mumble and bumble about flags, MLK, Reagan. It just doesn't work.

  134. @Rob McX
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    I think everybody who comments here would prefer a homogeneous nation without the competition and hostility between different races. But, being stuck with a multiracial country, many white conservatives see the citizenism route as the only option.

    Steve Sailer's solution is to treat all people as citizens but without the massively destructive fiction of racial equality, or the delusion that putting more non-whites into the mix won't make things worse. I can see why people would opt for that course of action. Any alternative would mean deportation of millions of people, or their removal to racial enclaves within America. This doesn't seem achievable.

    But the current state of affairs is the worst of all possible worlds. Whites are the only race that doesn't look out for itself, and they're surrounded by ever-increasing numbers of non-whites who eat, sleep and breathe racial identity politics.

    回复:@愚蠢国家的公民,@Moses

    Yes, if Citizenism was a realistic option, it would be our best choice. But it’s not.

    I’m not saying that I prefer white identity politics over Citizenism. I’m saying Citizenism is a false hope, so you need to choose a path that works in the real world.

    Identity politics has a proven track record. Citizenism does not. At this point, Citizenism is a form of escapism.

    Also, whites joining the identity politics game doesn’t mean deportations or violence. It simply means whites protecting themselves and not letting themselves remain second-class citizens.

    Freedom of association will work its magic.

    • 回复: @Rob McX
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    I think citizenism is probably a lost cause since May 25, 2020. Any advances it had made were set back several decades. Whites need to start doing what all other races are doing, and aggressively defend their own racial interests.

    回复:@Francis Miville

  135. @Anonymous
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    Excuse me, but could you define what you're talking about when you say "Libertarianism"?

    回复:@John Johnson

    Excuse me, but could you define what you’re talking about when you say “Libertarianism”?

    Pretend that race doesn’t affect outcomes and promote individuality while the left creates massive systems of White-blaming explanations that eventually crush all your efforts due to natural appeal to non-Whites and bitter White egalitarians.

    Libertarianism.

    As with race denial conservatism it really doesn’t work in the long term as you are unable to give non-environmental explanations for inequality. This just favors the left in any debate. They blame White racism with Academia Approved(tm) arguments and conservatives can only mumble and bumble about flags, MLK, Reagan. It just doesn’t work.

  136. So, once this tome is published and the 知识分子 is convinced, we can begin to dismantle government racial quotas and “equity” bias that are all based on racist assumptions?

    听起来不错。

    When will that start?

  137. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    罗布·麦克克斯(Rob McX)

    Yes, if Citizenism was a realistic option, it would be our best choice. But it's not.

    I'm not saying that I prefer white identity politics over Citizenism. I'm saying Citizenism is a false hope, so you need to choose a path that works in the real world.

    Identity politics has a proven track record. Citizenism does not. At this point, Citizenism is a form of escapism.

    Also, whites joining the identity politics game doesn't mean deportations or violence. It simply means whites protecting themselves and not letting themselves remain second-class citizens.

    Freedom of association will work its magic.

    回复:@Rob McX

    I think citizenism is probably a lost cause since May 25, 2020. Any advances it had made were set back several decades. Whites need to start doing what all other races are doing, and aggressively defend their own racial interests.

    • 回复: @Francis Miville
    罗布·麦克克斯(Rob McX)

    The problem is that even though most political causes that do work best, like the Southern Italian mafia, defend racial interests rather than ideals, most Whites don't spontaneously identify as Whites when plunged into a political brawl. They group-identify through other traits that are even more genetically determined actually. Liberal anglo-saxons in the US do form a definite race of a very racist kind in itself that is hardwired to puke White workers in priority as a mortal danger to the survival of their kind. HG Wells predicted in the Time Machine that England would one day not be divided among Anglos and Celts nor Whites and Darkies but Eloi and Morlocks as two different species.

  138. “For example, think about all the islands in the southern Atlantic Ocean where the native inhabitants for tens of thousands of years were a mixture of New World Indians and Sub-Saharan Blacks, varying continuously across the Atlantic.”

    The few islands that are in the southern Atlantic Ocean (south of the equator) like the Falklands, Ascension, Tristan da Cuhna, South Sandwich Islands and South Georgia were all uninhabited when Europeans discovered them. What are the authors of the book talking about proclaiming that they were inhabited for tens of thousands of years by a mixture of New World Indians and Sub-Saharan Blacks? This was a mixture that didn’t exist until colonial times. I guess that the authors both have a fine American post secondary education.

    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @乔·帕卢卡(Joe Paluka)

    I made that up: there was no admixture on Atlantic Islands. Blacks got to Bioko 20 miles offshore, Berbers got to Canary Islands 100 miles offshore. Irish monks and then Vikings got to Iceland 1000 miles off shore. Lots of nice places like Azores and Madeira were uninhabited.

    回复:@Joe Paluka

  139. @Joe Paluka
    "For example, think about all the islands in the southern Atlantic Ocean where the native inhabitants for tens of thousands of years were a mixture of New World Indians and Sub-Saharan Blacks, varying continuously across the Atlantic."

    The few islands that are in the southern Atlantic Ocean (south of the equator) like the Falklands, Ascension, Tristan da Cuhna, South Sandwich Islands and South Georgia were all uninhabited when Europeans discovered them. What are the authors of the book talking about proclaiming that they were inhabited for tens of thousands of years by a mixture of New World Indians and Sub-Saharan Blacks? This was a mixture that didn't exist until colonial times. I guess that the authors both have a fine American post secondary education.

    回复:@Steve Sailer

    I made that up: there was no admixture on Atlantic Islands. Blacks got to Bioko 20 miles offshore, Berbers got to Canary Islands 100 miles offshore. Irish monks and then Vikings got to Iceland 1000 miles off shore. Lots of nice places like Azores and Madeira were uninhabited.

    • 回复: @Joe Paluka
    @史蒂夫·塞勒

    Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Sailer.

  140. @jb
    Steve -- This is totally OT, but I think you really need to consider following Razib's example and going back to a blog of your own. I don't know how much Ron is paying you, but unz.com has become a cesspool -- Andrew Anglin? Seriously??? -- and posting here damages your credibility. (Taki's isn't all that much better actually. The Z Man is not quite Andrew Anglin, but again, seriously?) As things stand now I cannot send friends to your blog for fear that they will check to see what else is on the site and be horrified. Guilt by association may be a "logical fallacy", but it's how most people think. (And not even wrongly -- if you spend all day hanging out with made men the jury will not be wrong to take that into consideration).

    如果回到你的旧博客不是一个选择,那么你真的应该考虑 Substack。 人们在那里赚钱,Substack 似乎真的致力于言论自由,以至于他们继续容忍一些即使我也会认为是粗暴种族主义的博客。 但他们有意识不要在入口页面上宣传这些博客,并 tar 所有其他用户! 如果可能的话,如果您可以将您的 Unz 帖子复制到新位置,无论它在哪里,那将是非常棒的,因为您在这里有很多非常棒的东西。 但无论如何,你应该搬家。 你是一个重要的人,因为至少在国际海事组织,你是我们这边唯一最好的发言人,而且你实际上产生了一些真正的影响。 任何削弱这种影响的事情都是非常非常不幸的。

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Meretricious, @D. K., @MEH 0910, @AndrewR, @Dumbo, @anon, @bomag, @AnotherDad, @Frau Katze, @ThreeCranes, @Joe Paluka

    Poor baby, some of the writers here are too harsh for your liberal sensitivities and you’re scared to give links to your high and mighty friends that might think less of you. May I suggest you go to a website where there is no diversity of opinion, everyone tows the party line. One like CNN or MSNBC.

  141. @Steve Sailer
    @乔·帕卢卡(Joe Paluka)

    I made that up: there was no admixture on Atlantic Islands. Blacks got to Bioko 20 miles offshore, Berbers got to Canary Islands 100 miles offshore. Irish monks and then Vikings got to Iceland 1000 miles off shore. Lots of nice places like Azores and Madeira were uninhabited.

    回复:@Joe Paluka

    Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Sailer.

  142. @ThreeCranes
    @jb

    别听他的,史蒂夫。 他的谄媚赞美是毒药。 他的意思是说你和他可以组建一个私人俱乐部,伙计。 只是为了像你们两个这样的其他开悟者。

    如果你按照他说的去做,你就会被孤立。 这是重点。

    他对AA的谴责表明他害怕AA的无所畏惧。 每个人都清楚 AA 是部分恶搞。 他故意说出离谱的话,并且可以逃脱惩罚,因为他是宫廷小丑,因为他所说的每一句话都带有真实的成分。 如果没有像 AA 这样的疯帽子,公路旅行会怎样?

    无聊

    至于拉齐布,他对自己的评价太高了,表现出典型的(不是特别出色的)印度男人的多刺。 甩掉包袱。 另外,他更喜欢用行话来拉皮条和装扮自己,而不是向我们这些公认的知识较少但渴望学习的业余爱好者真正解释遗传学的事实和理论。

    回复:@fnn

    Plus Razib has no sense of humor.

  143. @epebble
    @ Hypnotoad666

    I don't understand why Trump would be so interested in nuclear weapons secrets as to not return the papers to the government after a subpoena. I can only conjecture that he planned on this to unite the Republicans behind him. If so, he has succeeded brilliantly.

    ‘Signals intel’ at Mar-a-Lago makes Trump’s scandal look so much worse: experts
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/signals-intel-at-mar-a-lago-makes-trumps-scandal-look-so-much-worse-experts/ar-AA10zVl7

    回复:@Curle

    They are saying Trump kept ‘signals intelligence” which is described as:

    “— intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel.”

    Compare that to eavesdropping ‘whistleblower’ Lt Colonel Alexander Vindman who listened in on an US President’s calls with an foreign leader and leaked what he heard.

    • 回复: @epebble
    @柯尔

    事实并非如此 窃听. Presidents don’t make these phone calls alone, there are experts and advisers in the room when it happens. Colonel Vindman was one of those experts, providing counsel and feedback. How can 任何 President master all the fine details of foreign policy or national security negotiations and talk solo. Heck, you don't do that while buying or selling a house - you go through an agent.

    回复:@Jonathan Mason

  144. @Anonymous
    @Chrisnonymous

    Well, autism actually *is* a bullshit undefinable concept that shouldn’t be viewed as scientific. Same with a lot of DSM type vague personality disorders. Race is far far more concrete and the biological connections are clear

    回复:@Curle

    “Well, autism actually *是* a bullshit undefinable concept”

    Wrong on both counts. The definition relates to certain identifiable and observable behaviors for which they are narrowing in on a cause.

    https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/molecular-mechanisms-autism-linked-to-small-hypothalamus/

  145. @FrankRizzo
    I was a little taken aback when an interviewee (white woman) asked what my company is doing to promote diversity and inclusion. Next time, I’m going to answer that race doesn’t exist anyway so it’s irrelevant. I think this answer will be useful in quite a few situations.

    回复:@Justvisiting,@Curle

    Should have said “hiring more untalented people to balance out the talented ones. Seems you may be our target applicant.”

  146. A plethora of misunderstandings and deliberate lies. At best the book is apologetics for the quasi-religious beliefs of the present day. Its purpose is to help the faithful to believe, while demonstrating the ignorance and moral turpitude of non-believers.

    而且,正如我们将看到的,人类在生物学水平上根本不符合这一标准。

    Measurements of racial disparities also fail to meet this scientific criterion. If you are not hiring enough African-Americans, it is because the concept of an African-American is literally meaningless. We are all Africans under the skin!

    it was only with the advent of slavery that considerations of human variation became politicized

    So it was back in the Neolithic, then?

  147. Beagles are golden retrievers. It’s science.

  148. @Rob McX
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    I think everybody who comments here would prefer a homogeneous nation without the competition and hostility between different races. But, being stuck with a multiracial country, many white conservatives see the citizenism route as the only option.

    Steve Sailer's solution is to treat all people as citizens but without the massively destructive fiction of racial equality, or the delusion that putting more non-whites into the mix won't make things worse. I can see why people would opt for that course of action. Any alternative would mean deportation of millions of people, or their removal to racial enclaves within America. This doesn't seem achievable.

    But the current state of affairs is the worst of all possible worlds. Whites are the only race that doesn't look out for itself, and they're surrounded by ever-increasing numbers of non-whites who eat, sleep and breathe racial identity politics.

    回复:@愚蠢国家的公民,@Moses

    This doesn’t seem achievable.

    Rock, meet hard place.

    The status quo cannot go on either.

  149. @Curle
    @卵石

    They are saying Trump kept ‘signals intelligence” which is described as:

    “— intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel.”

    Compare that to eavesdropping ‘whistleblower’ Lt Colonel Alexander Vindman who listened in on an US President’s calls with an foreign leader and leaked what he heard.

    回复:@epebble

    事实并非如此 窃听. Presidents don’t make these phone calls alone, there are experts and advisers in the room when it happens. Colonel Vindman was one of those experts, providing counsel and feedback. How can 任何 President master all the fine details of foreign policy or national security negotiations and talk solo. Heck, you don’t do that while buying or selling a house – you go through an agent.

    • 回复: @Jonathan Mason
    @卵石


    Heck, you don’t do that while buying or selling a house – you go through an agent.
     
    Not necessarily if you are an agent or broker yourself.

    Of course you would expect the President to work with a team of advisors and experts, but he is chosen to provide leadership, and is expected to be capable of mastering his briefs.

    Foreign policy is a key component of the job description of a President.

    Most federal programs like Medicare, Social Security, Education, Parks, and passport control more or less run themselves without the president having to get his hands dirty, but foreign policy requires agility, an understanding of the forces of history, and an ability to determine what is possible in the present, and an ability to provide leadership to the peer group of world leaders during summits and confidential one-on-one phone discussions.

    回复:@epebble

  150. – Firstly genetic analysis on a sufficient high number of SNPs gives immediately a strong clustering.
    – Secondly biologists have disputed back and forth how many separate species are in a genus or family, even for well understood species liked the wolf. But that never led to the complete abandonment of the concept of species.
    Wouldn’t it be for being human, animals that show such a divergence of traits would be classified as different species without a second of doubt.
    cf. also Lewontin’s Fallacy

  151. @gutta percha
    "races are purely cultural constructs and do not result from any acceptable form of taxonomic analysis of our species"

    任何 'acceptable form' of taxonomic analysis of extant populations of genus Homo? I know that several extinct Homo spp. are taxonomically recognized as distinct, without apparent controversy. Are the authors saying that deeper taxonomic analysis of extant H. sapiens populations is 不能 'acceptable?' Or does the 'acceptable' analysis exist, but they ignore it? I'll read their book if it ever hits the public library.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @New Dealer, @epebble

    这可能会回答您的问题:

    This ancient teenager is the first known person with parents of two different species
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/this-ancient-teenager-is-the-first-known-person-with-parents-of-two-different-species

    • 回复: @James N. Kennett
    @卵石

    Modern humans, Neanderthals, and Denisovans coexisted and could freely interbreed. If the same criteria were used as for other animals, all three would be classified as subspecies of H. sapiens, with a common ancestor 400,000 to 800,000 years ago. The different continental races of H. sapiens would also be classified as different subspecies, although they have much smaller differences resulting from no more than 100,000 years of evolution.

    If a surviving population of Neanderthals were discovered, then as members of our species who are under-represented among immigrants they would immediately be eligible for the US Immigrant Diversity Lottery. Owing to historic persecution by modern humans, they would also be eligible for preferential entry to university and medical school. Never mind their SAT scores.

  152. @Patriot
    In all Western nations where they have migrated to, Blacks commit crimes at about 25 times the rate of Japanese immigrants.

    I’m confused. Is that a striking difference or a significant difference?

    Is that a minor difference that I should ignore or a something I should worry about for my family’s safety?

    Are those differences reality or imaginary differences produced by my racist mind?

    Replies: @smetana, @J.Ross, @miha

    What are you deducing from your correct observation? Is this crime a cultural habit or a characteristic written into the DNA?

    William Golding’s book The Lord of the Flies (1954) helps us think about this: a group of culturally homogenous white English kids from middle class homes wash up on a desert island after their liner is wrecked. Some of the kids form a gang and turn to crime in the form of torture and murder. As anyone who observes children en masse knows, nothing far-fetched in this story given the circumstances. Best to question explanations that fit nicely with our prejudices. The latter may be correct – or not.

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @米哈

    Yes it is far fetched. A real life group of anglophone youngsters marooned in the south Pacific in 1966 behaved nothing like the characters of Golding's imagination.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

  153. @Observator
    “Race” among humans is probably (with emphasis on that adverb) not a real thing. One does not speak of the “races” of Dobermans or Pomeranians when describing our canine friends. But people give the concept a tangible actuality when they “act as if” it were a real thing. This product of their imagination impacts them just the way belief in a magical, supernatural god comes to fairly define the perception and conduct of believers. Whether or not race is objective reality is immaterial: it is real, like god, because we believe it’s real, and we use this belief as one of the filters we adopt to try to make sense of the senseless chaos of life. And in order to stay safe, for paranoia is an instinctive reaction of a species that was not always at the top of the food chain. And for most of the time we've been on this planet, when we encountered a band of humans that didn't look like us, they would try to kill us or enslave us, and steal our pointy sticks and females.

    Replies: @Moses, @Jonathan Mason

    人类之间的“种族”可能(强调那个副词)不是真实的。 在描述我们的犬类朋友时,人们不会提到杜宾犬或博美犬的“种族”。

    In the English language, no, but in the Spanish language breeds of dogs are called “razas”, so they do talk about races of dogs.

    It all comes down to semantics and what language you speak. I don’t think anybody can deny that prior to long distance travel (call it 1491 if you like) human beings within defined geographical areas evolved to be similar to their neighbors in terms of appearance and capabilities.

    但与此同时,在过渡区域的边缘总是模糊不清。

    一旦跨洋旅行成为可能,就会出现种族融合,例如西班牙男性和安第斯土著女性创造了我们今天看到的南美混血儿的新类别。

    然而,人们很可能会争辩说,还有其他因素有助于当代人类文化。 例如,说西班牙语的人,无论他们是白人、黑人还是混血儿,他们在建筑、音乐和美食方面的共同点可能比与讲英语的人群有更多的共同点。

    同样,美国白人和黑人之间的共同点往往比法国人或海地人更多。

    奥巴马和特朗普之间的共同点不仅仅是住在同一所房子里。

  154. @J.Ross
    @先生。 挑剔

    As soon as I hit publish I thought of that. But really, when was the last time anyone heard of an infamous Japanese anything? Modern noir goes on about yakuza not because they're relevant but because, being Japanese, they're expected to be cool.

    回复:@Roderick Spode

    Google Junko Furuta

  155. @epebble
    @gutta percha

    这可能会回答您的问题:

    This ancient teenager is the first known person with parents of two different species
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/this-ancient-teenager-is-the-first-known-person-with-parents-of-two-different-species

    回复:@James N. Kennett

    Modern humans, Neanderthals, and Denisovans coexisted and could freely interbreed. If the same criteria were used as for other animals, all three would be classified as subspecies of H. sapiens, with a common ancestor 400,000 to 800,000 years ago. The different continental races of H. sapiens would also be classified as different subspecies, although they have much smaller differences resulting from no more than 100,000 years of evolution.

    If a surviving population of Neanderthals were discovered, then as members of our species who are under-represented among immigrants they would immediately be eligible for the US Immigrant Diversity Lottery. Owing to historic persecution by modern humans, they would also be eligible for preferential entry to university and medical school. Never mind their SAT scores.

  156. There are such people still. They are most definitely not interested in going anywhere. All they want is other people to stay out of their lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onge

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehinaku

  157. @epebble
    @柯尔

    事实并非如此 窃听. Presidents don’t make these phone calls alone, there are experts and advisers in the room when it happens. Colonel Vindman was one of those experts, providing counsel and feedback. How can 任何 President master all the fine details of foreign policy or national security negotiations and talk solo. Heck, you don't do that while buying or selling a house - you go through an agent.

    回复:@Jonathan Mason

    Heck, you don’t do that while buying or selling a house – you go through an agent.

    Not necessarily if you are an agent or broker yourself.

    Of course you would expect the President to work with a team of advisors and experts, but he is chosen to provide leadership, and is expected to be capable of mastering his briefs.

    Foreign policy is a key component of the job description of a President.

    Most federal programs like Medicare, Social Security, Education, Parks, and passport control more or less run themselves without the president having to get his hands dirty, but foreign policy requires agility, an understanding of the forces of history, and an ability to determine what is possible in the present, and an ability to provide leadership to the peer group of world leaders during summits and confidential one-on-one phone discussions.

    • 回复: @epebble
    @乔纳森·梅森

    In legal profession, there is a saying: A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client. I don't know whether it is applicable in Real Estate. The rationale being it is hard to be objective when your personal interest is high - so one tends to make mistakes of judgement.

  158. @Jonathan Mason
    @卵石


    Heck, you don’t do that while buying or selling a house – you go through an agent.
     
    Not necessarily if you are an agent or broker yourself.

    Of course you would expect the President to work with a team of advisors and experts, but he is chosen to provide leadership, and is expected to be capable of mastering his briefs.

    Foreign policy is a key component of the job description of a President.

    Most federal programs like Medicare, Social Security, Education, Parks, and passport control more or less run themselves without the president having to get his hands dirty, but foreign policy requires agility, an understanding of the forces of history, and an ability to determine what is possible in the present, and an ability to provide leadership to the peer group of world leaders during summits and confidential one-on-one phone discussions.

    回复:@epebble

    In legal profession, there is a saying: A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client. I don’t know whether it is applicable in Real Estate. The rationale being it is hard to be objective when your personal interest is high – so one tends to make mistakes of judgement.

  159. Funny how liberal white women think nothing about having mulatto offspring yet would be aghast if somebody suggested they bred their pedigree dogs with mongrels.

  160. the reference to “human groups” at the beginning of the sentence

    There is NO reference to “human groups” at the beginning of the sentence that I can find.
    Check for yourself. Is our poster diddling us, perhaps carelessly?

  161. @John Johnson
    @ mc23

    Since Grey wolves and Yorkies are over 99% the same I think sound policy would be to boost the wolf population by releasing Yorkies into Federal wolf areas. Anyone that disagrees is just a Yorkie hating fascist that doesn't accept the science.

    回复:@ mc23

    I imagine wolves, despite being the indigenous species, would be okay with that.

  162. @miha
    @爱国者

    What are you deducing from your correct observation? Is this crime a cultural habit or a characteristic written into the DNA?

    William Golding's book The Lord of the Flies (1954) helps us think about this: a group of culturally homogenous white English kids from middle class homes wash up on a desert island after their liner is wrecked. Some of the kids form a gang and turn to crime in the form of torture and murder. As anyone who observes children en masse knows, nothing far-fetched in this story given the circumstances. Best to question explanations that fit nicely with our prejudices. The latter may be correct - or not.

    回复:@Art Deco

    Yes it is far fetched. A real life group of anglophone youngsters marooned in the south Pacific in 1966 behaved nothing like the characters of Golding’s imagination.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

  163. @Malcolm Y
    Oh my God! I've just stumbled upon the most Earth shaking theory ever conceived. People, animals, rocks and anything are exactly the same because we're all made up of the same atoms - there is absolutely no difference between people and anything made of matter. It's just a rearrangement of THE SAME ATOMS!!! Just mail me my Nobel Prize; I don't like to travel.

    回复:@Francis Miville

    Error : atoms of a given isotope, apart from having unmistakable common characteristics such as the number of protons, electrons, neutrons, and other sub-particles, also have a great individuality enabling them to keep an individual memory of its contacts with other atoms. You should read “The memory of Water”, by Benveniste : https://thememoryofwater.com/.

  164. @Rob McX
    @一个愚蠢的国家的公民

    I think citizenism is probably a lost cause since May 25, 2020. Any advances it had made were set back several decades. Whites need to start doing what all other races are doing, and aggressively defend their own racial interests.

    回复:@Francis Miville

    The problem is that even though most political causes that do work best, like the Southern Italian mafia, defend racial interests rather than ideals, most Whites don’t spontaneously identify as Whites when plunged into a political brawl. They group-identify through other traits that are even more genetically determined actually. Liberal anglo-saxons in the US do form a definite race of a very racist kind in itself that is hardwired to puke White workers in priority as a mortal danger to the survival of their kind. HG Wells predicted in the Time Machine that England would one day not be divided among Anglos and Celts nor Whites and Darkies but Eloi and Morlocks as two different species.

  165. @Bert
    The "racial differences are superficial" trope fails to notice that two races can create civilizations while the two others can neither create them nor maintain those that colonialism provided.

    As I've argued before, such a crucial difference is the mark of different species, not just different races.

    回复:@AlexanderEngUK

    Yes, Whites and east asians are the only two races who can create modern civilisations or maintain those given to them by colonialism, and so we are very different to the other races (and actually very different to each other too, as I confirmed personally when I lived in Japan). But I’ve always understood species to mean a category of animals (or organisms) who can breed together and produce viable offspring, and that is the common definition of ‘species’.

    • 回复: @Bert
    @AlexanderEngUK

    What you refer to is Ernst Mayr's cleverly named "Biological Species Concept," which he so named for rhetorical power. Other ways to define species have been conceived. See these links.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_concept

    https://academic.oup.com/sysbio/article/56/6/879/1653163

    As you can see from the above links, Mayr's species concept is simplistic because "interbreed" and "reproductive isolation" are not enough to describe relations between species-level taxa. For example, some such taxa interbreed along narrow zones that mark the change from one environment to another. If two taxa hybridize at the border of the two environments, but are quite differently adapted for exploiting their respective environments, they may be considered separate species, e.g., the lizards, Sceloporus undulatus and S. woodi. The former is adapted to forage on and from trees in pine savanna habitat, whereas the latter forages mainly on the ground below dense shrubs. Their clear differences in regard to protective coloration and body-form appear adaptive to their respective modes of foraging. Yet where the two different habitats abut, they interbreed.

    With regard to human taxa, a taxon that cannot create civilization can obviously reproduce within such a habitat, where food and housing are easily acquired by everyone, and can interbreed with the taxon that created the civilization. But the defining characteristic of human beings is modification of the natural habitat into one that sustains more people. Given such a definition of human, how can the level of modification achieved not be a valid trait for deciding whether extant humans are conspecific races or separate species. If emotion were removed from the question, and biologists were classifying beavers with vastly different degrees of constructed artifacts and social specialization, the beavers would be categorized as separate species whether or not they could interbreed in a zoo that provided food and housing.

  166. @AlexanderEngUK
    @伯特

    Yes, Whites and east asians are the only two races who can create modern civilisations or maintain those given to them by colonialism, and so we are very different to the other races (and actually very different to each other too, as I confirmed personally when I lived in Japan). But I've always understood species to mean a category of animals (or organisms) who can breed together and produce viable offspring, and that is the common definition of 'species'.

    回复:@Bert

    What you refer to is Ernst Mayr’s cleverly named “Biological Species Concept,” which he so named for rhetorical power. Other ways to define species have been conceived. See these links.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_concept

    https://academic.oup.com/sysbio/article/56/6/879/1653163

    As you can see from the above links, Mayr’s species concept is simplistic because “interbreed” and “reproductive isolation” are not enough to describe relations between species-level taxa. For example, some such taxa interbreed along narrow zones that mark the change from one environment to another. If two taxa hybridize at the border of the two environments, but are quite differently adapted for exploiting their respective environments, they may be considered separate species, e.g., the lizards, Sceloporus undulatus and S. woodi. The former is adapted to forage on and from trees in pine savanna habitat, whereas the latter forages mainly on the ground below dense shrubs. Their clear differences in regard to protective coloration and body-form appear adaptive to their respective modes of foraging. Yet where the two different habitats abut, they interbreed.

    With regard to human taxa, a taxon that cannot create civilization can obviously reproduce within such a habitat, where food and housing are easily acquired by everyone, and can interbreed with the taxon that created the civilization. But the defining characteristic of human beings is modification of the natural habitat into one that sustains more people. Given such a definition of human, how can the level of modification achieved not be a valid trait for deciding whether extant humans are conspecific races or separate species. If emotion were removed from the question, and biologists were classifying beavers with vastly different degrees of constructed artifacts and social specialization, the beavers would be categorized as separate species whether or not they could interbreed in a zoo that provided food and housing.

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