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Quillette:

性别意识形态的不连贯

作者:迈克尔·罗比拉德

发表于 4 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日

……在他现在著名的“私人语言论证”中,维特根斯坦考虑了完全私人语言的概念可能性。 由于任何语言中的定义,就像游戏中的规则一样,需要固定才能让游戏完全融合在一起,而且由于完全私有的语言没有这种检查和平衡来保持定义的固定和稳定(私有语言用户可以只是永久地修改定义而没有限制),维特根斯坦得出结论,完全私人的语言在概念上是不可能的,并且术语和定义在所有必需的制衡条件下都具有任何固定的含义 其他 语言使用者。 ......

与性别意识形态倡导者所支持的相反论点,我认为,根据他们自己论证的起始前提,“性别”和“跨性别”的概念要么不连贯,要么空洞,因此不能成为人们推导出实际积极意义的概念基础。或消极权利主张。 相反,这种虚假的“权利”主张实际上严重侵犯了绝大多数日常语言使用者和公民的权利,并对协调自由国家基本公共产品所必需的一套共享的社会和语言实践造成了无法弥补的损害。 、繁荣、守实的社会。

允许这种虚假权利主张膨胀而不受积极权利主张水平的反对的社会和政治后果,最终编入实际的国家强制法律中(正如加拿大的 C-16 法案和很快将与美国的平等法案一样) ) 将无异于对新的牧师阶层的法律制裁,他们将所有现实变为现实,然后是社会其他人,他们必须简单地服从。

另一方面,从 透过窥镜 刘易斯卡罗尔:

“当我用一个词时,”矮胖子用相当轻蔑的语气说,“它的意思就是我选择它的意思——不多也不少。”

“问题是,”爱丽丝说,“您是否可以使单词代表那么多不同的事物。”

“问题是,”Humpty Dumpty 说,“谁是主人——仅此而已。”

 
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  1. 不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    • 谢谢: Achmed E. Newman
    • 回复: @Yawrate
    @Abolish_public_education

    My preferred pronouns are “sir” and “yes sir”.

    , @Mr. Blank
    @Abolish_public_education

    像那么简单就好了。 我几乎因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    回复:@JackOH、@Hangnail Hans、@tyrone、@Stan d Mute

    , @Desiderius
    @Abolish_public_education

    What's idiotic about them?

    Do you think that Genghis Khan was an idiot? Insane?

    This is straightforward conquest. Do you see anyone stopping them?

    , @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person - you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    Replies: @Herp McDerp, @International Jew, @Anon, @VivaLaMigra

    , @notbe
    @Abolish_public_education

    ...除非你这样做,否则你的权力会解雇你

    回复:@Stan d Mute

    , @El Dato
    @Abolish_public_education

    But silence is violence!

    , @Forbes
    @Abolish_public_education

    Isn't the answer to just use their name--and skip the pronoun nonsense.

  2. “当我用一个词时,”矮胖子用相当轻蔑的语气说,“它的意思就是我选择它的意思——不多也不少。”

    埃米特·蒂尔(Emmett Till)

    • 回复: @Richard B
    @詹姆斯讲


    “当我用一个词时,”矮胖子用相当轻蔑的语气说,“它的意思就是我选择它的意思——不多也不少。”
     
    是的。

    Humpty Dumpty 每次都赢。 然后他从墙上掉下来。

    让他的胜利成为 止血的胜利.

  3. The arguments in the article are excellent, but taking away an alcoholic’s booze doesn’t help, you have to, 至少,给他们一个合适的替代品,同样满足他们的需求。

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you need to take away his booze. It's his responsibility to function without it, something the vast majority do.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  4. 出于礼貌,您可能会选择做某些事情。

    当 WC Fields 饰演的 Egbert Souse 声称他的名字是发音时 诉说 — “accent grave over the ‘e’ ” (he meant, of course, accent aigu) — you may go along with it just to be polite.

    When my little sister, at age 5 or 6, insisted she wanted to be a cowboy and not a cowgirl when she grew up, I shouldn’t have argued with her (and today regret that I did). I probably should have humored her.

    When a lunatic demands that you call him “Dr.” or “Your royal highness” or “Napoleon,” you may want to humor him as well.

    But there’s no reason why we should believe any of it, nor keep up the pretense when that person isn’t around.

    那些声称自己性别的人也是如此。

    • 回复: @Wade Hampton
    @西蒙


    When a lunatic demands that you call him “Dr.” or “Your royal highness” or “Napoleon,” you may want to humor him as well....The same goes for people who claim to be the sex they are not.
     
    出于同样的原因。 性别焦虑症是精神病,就像妄想疯子一样。
    , @Anonymous
    @西蒙

    这是一个合理的论点,我相信许多正派和聪明的人会发现它令人信服。
    但我们这个时代的事实是,今天提出此类要求的人并不是让他们成为孤立的疯子,而是将自己的疯癫视为与历史的道德潮流保持一致的人。 然而,困惑的人所认为的自由和道德进步是日益增长的极权主义和邪恶。
    我认为我们这个时代需要的是立即谴责。
    你被要求撒谎。
    你被要求以一种直接或间接助长道德邪恶的方式撒谎。
    任何担心他人如何看待自己性别的人都是可以挽救的。
    他们并不完全相信绝对的胡说八道。
    你通过包容他们来伤害他们。
    但当然,我们必须选择我们的战斗,而“更大”的道德问题是你在伤害他人。
    你正在伤害无知的年轻男女,他们可能会觉得废话的吸引力,以此来证明他们在一个越来越向大多数人隐藏意义的世界中的存在。
    而且你正在伤害更多理智的男人和女人,尽管他们可能不会在内部完全将男性或女性视为他们本质的内在特征,因此可能会在努力成为最好的男人或女人时动摇。

    不要告诉我说谎。
    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

    回复:@VivaLaMigra、@njguy73

    , @Cortes
    @西蒙

    The Souse/SUE-say scenario underpinned the success of the BBC sitcom

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_Up_Appearances

    featuring Hyacinth Bucket (“Bouquet”) which was popular in the USA, according to the Wikipedia article.

    In his chapter dedicated to surnames, Basil Cottle’s “Names” includes the hilarious example of an East Anglian occupational surname - Hogsflesh (pork butcher) - which a 1970s bearer insisted was pronounced “Hooflay”.

    Pretensions about names are essentially harmless as long as they are the result of individual snobbery, social insecurities or mental problems and can safely be humoured. Where an organised claque is attempting to enforce acceptance of them, they have to be resisted.

  5. 欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    • 同意: schnellandine
    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
    @阿农


    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。
     

    This sort of incremental idiocy is exactly how they do it. "Transgender" isn't merely the modern "2+2=5", it's O'Brien in Room 101 making you say, hell, making you 相信 "2+2=5".

    (Note that Orwell wasn't predicting the future but mocking the recent past. It was already here.)


    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

     

    Being called a coward by "Anon" is like being 吉米卡特称其为丑陋.

    回复:@Anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @阿农

    I agree with Reg here. This cultural revoulution is part of the conquering and, in fact, a pretty good start. If people won't fight back the purposeful stupidity on these issues, they sure as hell ain't gonna fight when the Communist Feral government starts telling them to stay inside for a month as a personal LOCKDOWN for some trangression or another.

    America is full of pussies who are now masking up for Season 3 of the Flu Manchu PanicFest as I write. I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature. I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words "hysterical", "retarded", and "you ain't gonna die today, lady." That gas station didn't make a sale of 4 gallons, a cherry Coke, and a bag of Starburst gummies, let me tell you right now. I've been banned from 76.

    Replies: @El Dato, @tyrone, @Anonymous

    , @El Dato
    @阿农

    Why not look for love in unexpected places instead?

    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates


    Police in Virginia have classified Chris Chan, 39, as female because he says he’s a trans woman, but he is biologically male and has allegedly admitted to raping his mother, 79, who suffers from dementia. We live in a sick world.
     
    沉默就是暴力。
    Sickness is Progress.
    Rolling immigro-trucks are pension security.
    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!

    回复:@ Anonymous,@ Anon

    , @Gordo
    @阿农


    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

     

    大游戏/小游戏。

    你可以玩小游戏,但大游戏是出界的。
  6. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    My preferred pronouns are “sir” and “yes sir”.

    • 哈哈: BB753, Old Prude, al gore rhythms
  7. • 回复: @Right_On
    @匿名

    Emperor Norton, a saint honored by Discordianism (a precursor to chaos magick) and praised in its religious text Principia Discordia, by Malaclypse the Younger.

    Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @匿名

    Some time you should read the story "The Repairer of Reputations" by Robert W. Chambers. These days I feel like I'm actually living in "The King in Yellow." You spend an hour on Twitter, it feels like you've read the forbidden Act Two which drives the reader insane.

  8. This is much more important than whether you ought to be able to force unwanted medical interventions on people.

  9. @Simon
    出于礼貌,您可能会选择做某些事情。

    当 WC Fields 饰演的 Egbert Souse 声称他的名字是发音时 诉说 ——“e 上的重音”(当然,他的意思是 aigu 口音)——你可能会同意它只是为了礼貌。

    当我 5 岁或 6 岁的小妹妹坚持说她长大后想成为牛仔而不是女牛仔时,我不应该和她争论(今天我后悔做了)。 我可能应该逗弄她。

    当一个疯子要求你称他为“博士”时或“殿下”或“拿破仑”,你可能也想逗他。

    但是我们没有理由相信它,也没有理由在那个人不在的时候假装。

    那些声称自己性别的人也是如此。

    回复:@Wade Hampton、@Anonymous、@Cortes

    当一个疯子要求你称他为“博士”时或“殿下”或“拿破仑”,你可能也想逗他……那些自称不是自己性别的人也是如此。

    出于同样的原因。 性别焦虑症是精神病,就像妄想疯子一样。

  10. About a dozen years ago I attended an academic debate that had been trumpeted in the campus newspaper. I was horrified. The participants did not actually know the nature of some of the words they were using. The weak provost wouldn’t stop this travesty of a debate. Nor would the prexy.

    It’s the 21st century and we’re still debating the rectification of names. Or, maybe not. Maybe it really is all about power, money, and whatever in hell someone can get away with. Exceptions, I suppose, for hard science, engineering, the manual trades, farming. When I’m feeling particularly glum, I regard the student barbers where I often get my hair cut as contributing more to the world than the 300+ professors at my local Podunk Tech.

    Only had time for the quickest scan. I needed to vent.

    • 回复: @Bill H.
    @杰克

    In a discussion, my 45-yr-old liberal niece said that the dictionary meaning of "radical" (which I had cited) was not what she meant by her use of the word. I asked her what she intended the word to mean and she could not say, only that it was not what the dictionary said it was.

    回复:@Badger Down

  11. The author seriously understates the force of Wittgenstein’s argument.

    The point is not merely that a private language, by lacking public checks to maintain ‘fixity’ would be untenable because the user of a private language could always shift meanings on a whim–hence there couldn’t be a 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 could never be sure that he had indeed shifted meanings or hadn’t. That’s because the only check for the user for any term (the way he keeps track) is memory; but what would he use to check his memory? Without a public check of the memory he’s using to check his ever shifting meanings, he’d never know if what’s he’s using the word ‘N’–Wittgenstein’s example, for refers to the same thing, a different thing, or frankly anything stable enough to be named at all.

    It’s quite a skeptical tour de force.

    • 同意: notbe, Anon62
    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @德金

    谢谢。

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @德金


    关键不仅在于,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”的私人语言是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一种语言,从这个意义上说 根据定义,语言是一种群体现象。

     

    Language preservationists like to point out that a tongue doesn't die with its last speaker, but with its second-to-last.
    , @Right_On
    @德金

    The Austrian logician can be hard work.

    You say that "a language is, by definition, a group phenomenon". But suppose Humpty-Dumpty were to define language as "a written or spoken record of meaning", or some-such; which could be utilized in a private diary. Why can't 'language' mean just what he chooses it to mean?

    在他的 伦理, Spinoza stipulates the precise meanings of the terms he will be using. Suppose he'd never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza's intellectual talents. I can't see why that would invalidate his procedure.

    回覆:@El Dato,@ Dieter Kief

    , @Dieter Kief
    @德金

    I'd beg to differ a bit. Because what Wittgenstein here exemplifies is mostly right, but not quite right. Mostly right, in that language as a social tool, is open to criticism and correction by anybody (its strength and mode of progress/development - and at the same time its inherent weakness).

    As Right-On points out below, Wittgenstein is wrong in claiming that the use of a private language would necessarily lead to loss of memory or some such mistakes.

    But we can leave this aspect here aside because Michael Robillard in Quillette clearly tackles no private use of language, but a public one. Robillard's argument stands. It is a rather important purpose of language to serve public means and this purpose is in dire straits, as soon as people treat it as if it would be an ultimately or - essentially - private thing to claim things to be true in public. The point here is what should be acknowledged as truth. And the answer is: With regard to biology and the like: The truth is what can be publicly defended as true via sound (solid/scientific) arguments. Biology is no subjective matter at all and you should not try to circumvent this well-estalbished fact by insisting on your subjective perspective - unless you are a - three-year-old kid, let's say.

    PS

    Seen from this perspective it is reasonable to oppose everybody who wants to force others to acknowledge their private truth in essentially non-subjective contexts. That is the systematically most important point here.

    It is ok to say, the paintings of my wife express the highest truths since this does not collide with any widely accepted standards about truth.

    It is not ok if person x expects from others that they accept whatever sex person x declares to have because there are publicly accepted objective criteria that define what that word sex means.

    , @Papinian
    @德金

    The memory isn't as bad as all that. Let's say I now want to call a handle a "befret" instead. Not hard to do! And provided I don't pile new words onto myself too quickly, I don't see any problem maintaining an increasing numbers of these words, indefinitely. The memory isn't super great, but it's not totally impotent, either!

  12. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    要是这么简单就好了。 我因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而差点丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    • 谢谢: JackOH, sayless
    • 回复: @JackOH
    @先生。 空白的

    布兰克先生,我感谢所有关于 UR,但有些人似乎认为我们这里的逆势者比我们实际拥有更多的权力和影响力。 我们这里的许多人根本无法有意义地反击最近对我们的工作技能、我们的秩序感或 - Chrissake - 我们的个人尊严的侮辱。

    我猜鞋子已经在另一只脚上有一段时间了。 我们应该冷静地谈论反白人种族主义、异性恋、恶作剧,而不是种族主义、同性恋恐惧症、厌女症等等。 当然,在法律、牛大众舆论和大企业的怂恿下,最后一个在化解传统主义保守的思想和行为模式方面具有优势。

    回复:@Colin Wright

    , @Hangnail Hans
    @先生。 空白的

    我不必亲自处理这些废话,真是令人欣慰。 因为我肯定会将它们称为“它”,并且可能会丢掉我的工作。 如果碰巧他们有“头发”并问我我刚才说的到底是什么,我会说“它。 表妹 唔。”

    我唯一要为此道歉的人是肖恩康纳利。

    , @tyrone
    @先生。 空白的

    觉得脏吗?....试着感觉你在敌人的后方,有点“taqiya”可能是为了.....祝你和夫人好运。

    , @Stan d Mute
    @先生。 空白的

    人们会希望,自这一集以来,您将工作产出和质量降低到平均平权行动 HR 或 DIE 工作者的水平,同时花所有可用时间寻找出口。

    如果没有,我们只能得出结论,您喜欢它。

    现在,所有实际生产东西(电力、水、卫生、食品、耐用品等)的白人男子的总罢工已经晚了大约 30 年。 当然,所有寄生 FIRE 类都可以继续工作,因为它们无论如何贡献很小甚至没有任何价值。

    回复:@JackOH

  13. 值得注意的是,Humpty Dumpty 也被破解了。

    • 哈哈: Achmed E. Newman, Cortes, Gordo
  14. ……无非是对一个新的牧师阶层的魔法人民的法律制裁,他们说出了所有现实的存在,然后是社会的其他人,他们必须简单地服从。

    当然,这就是练习的全部意义所在,无论坚持它的人是否有意识地意识到这一点。 这是这些人放纵自己的权力意志的一种方式,并得到了法律的全力支持。

    • 同意: notbe, Forbes
    • 回复: @stillCARealist
    @先生。 空白的

    这是一个很好的观点。 想象一下自己是精神病患者和困惑。 你不确定你有什么问题,你真的想成为一个男孩或一个女孩,但上帝创造了你的身体。 你反对谁?

    现在这些破碎的人终于感觉到了某种内在的力量。 “我可以宣布我的性别,就这样吧!菲亚特女孩!或菲亚特男孩!”

    我猜你们会像神一样。 每一个膝盖都要鞠躬,每一个舌头都承认你确实是异性。

  15. 与性别意识形态倡导者所支持的相反论点,我认为,根据他们自己论证的起始前提,“性别”和“跨性别”的概念要么不连贯,要么空洞,因此不能成为人们推导出实际积极意义的概念基础。或消极权利主张。 相反,这种虚假的“权利”主张实际上严重侵犯了绝大多数日常语言使用者和公民的权利,并对协调自由国家基本公共产品所必需的一套共享的社会和语言实践造成了无法弥补的损害。 、繁荣、守实的社会。

    True, but a little complicated for our dumbed-down era to follow.

    Or you could just decide that compelled speech is not free speech, as an appellate court in California did recently.

    https://spectator.org/preferred-pronouns-unconstitutional/

    As LBJ is alleged to have said that if he lost Walter Conkrite he lost America, so if the trans dictators have lost California courts, they’ve lost every more sane part of the country as well (i.e. all of it).

    • 回复: @Desiderius
    @几乎密苏里州

    What hath America or the courts sited here but not ours in any meaningful sense to do with the GAE? Americans qua americans aren't calling the shots here on any of this.


    On the contrary, such false “rights” claims actually amount to severe rights violations of the vast majority of everyday language-users and citizens and cause irreparable damage to the set of shared social and linguistic practices necessary for coordinating the basic public goods of a free, flourishing, and truth-preserving society.
     
    Does it make sense to say anything other than that such damage is the point given who is promoting such claims and who benefits from the damage?
  16. I suppose it’s yet another thing entirely when the obscurantist private language is used and promulgated by the society’s ruling class rather than a flight of imagination like Elvish or Klingon . . .

  17. @Almost Missouri

    与性别意识形态倡导者所支持的相反论点,我认为,根据他们自己论证的起始前提,“性别”和“跨性别”的概念要么不连贯,要么空洞,因此不能成为人们推导出实际积极意义的概念基础。或消极权利主张。 相反,这种虚假的“权利”主张实际上严重侵犯了绝大多数日常语言使用者和公民的权利,并对协调自由国家基本公共产品所必需的一套共享的社会和语言实践造成了无法弥补的损害。 、繁荣、守实的社会。
     
    True, but a little complicated for our dumbed-down era to follow.

    Or you could just decide that compelled speech is not free speech, as an appellate court in California did recently.

    https://spectator.org/preferred-pronouns-unconstitutional/

    As LBJ is alleged to have said that if he lost Walter Conkrite he lost America, so if the trans dictators have lost California courts, they've lost every more sane part of the country as well (i.e. all of it).

    回复:@Desiderius

    What hath America or the courts sited here but not ours in any meaningful sense to do with the GAE? Americans qua americans aren’t calling the shots here on any of this.

    On the contrary, such false “rights” claims actually amount to severe rights violations of the vast majority of everyday language-users and citizens and cause irreparable damage to the set of shared social and linguistic practices necessary for coordinating the basic public goods of a free, flourishing, and truth-preserving society.

    Does it make sense to say anything other than that such damage is the point given who is promoting such claims and who benefits from the damage?

  18. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    What’s idiotic about them?

    Do you think that Genghis Khan was an idiot? Insane?

    This is straightforward conquest. Do you see anyone stopping them?

  19. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person – you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    • 回复: @Herp McDerp
    @阿农

    How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    这个!

    Perhaps I'm just a coward, but when talking and writing about third parties I don't use pronouns if there's any degree of ambiguity or or uncertainty, or if I disagree with 那个人* about gender or sexual identity. There are alternatives, including the person's name, job title, or substitutions like "that idiot."

    The Woke are litigious, and it gives them a sense of power to ruin other people's lives.

    -----------------------------
    *There, for example.

    回复:@Dr。 毁灭战士

    , @International Jew
    @阿农

    Taking umbrage on behalf of third persons is what it's all about. Same as when one white person corrects another white person over saying 爱斯基摩 or 霍滕托特.

    至于 你, of course that's trouble-free in English since there's only one term for it. Certain other languages offer more opportunities for the language police. Hebrew does have masculine and feminine forms for 你。 In Russian, past tense verbs are gendered and so are all adjectives. In Hebrew (and Arabic actually), practically everything is gendered — adjectives, verbs in first second and third person in all tenses, adjectives, and of course the (two) words for 美味. Fortunately, wokeness hasn't gained much traction in either Russia or Israel.

    回复:@stillCARealist

    , @Anon
    @阿农

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of "she/they." Huh? Which is it? Either? You don't care which?

    How do you get out of high school and through a Ph.D. program without learning English grammar?

    Possible preferred pronouns are:

    -- she/her or she/her/herself

    -- they/them or they/them/their/theirs/themself

    The idea is you choose a gender, he, she, or they, and then you decline out as much as you want from there; usually a single extra declension is enough to show the pattern. I think just saying he, she, or they is enough. In the beginning of this madness the idea was that people would choose made-up pronouns, but even the woke decided that was going too far. In that case you'd need the whole declension: xhe/xhem/xher/xhers/xhemsylf.

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Harry Baldwin, @Chrisnonymous

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @阿农

    Yes, I see. The pronouns "he/him/his" have ALWAYS been the accepted, and indeed preferrred, ones when the speaker is referring to an individual unknown, or hypothetical. The use of "they" and its objective and possessive forms is non grammatical when used to refer to just ONE person. In this context, "he" is not sexist, anymore than "they" is sexist when used for a group of people. In fact, the word "they" is the relative pronoun used for multiple OBJECTS, not just people; ie. it's the plural of "it" as well as "he" or "she." Use of an accepted SINGULAR pronoun aids clear speaking and comprehension. English uses the "masculine" form of the singular third person pronoun in this context, and it's not unique in that usage. It's illustrative that English speakers are now attempting to change OTHER languages, which is not their place or their right. The most obvious example is the attempted forcing of the made-up Spanish word "Latinx" in place of "Latino" for a mixed-gender group of "Hispanic" [itself a made-up term] people. Spanish speakers are actually outraged over this, and they're right to be. They consider their native language part of their culture. We English [ok, AMERICAN English] speakers should do the same, and defend our grammatical rules.

  20. @anon
    https://unbelievable-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Emperor-Norton-I-7.jpg

    Replies: @Right_On, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Emperor Norton, a saint honored by Discordianism (a precursor to chaos magick) and praised in its religious text Principia Discordia, by Malaclypse the Younger.

    Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

  21. @Deckin
    作者严重低估了维特根斯坦论证的力量。

    关键不仅在于一种私人语言,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一个 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 永远无法确定他是否确实改变了含义。 那是因为用户对任何术语(他跟踪的方式)的唯一检查是记忆; 但是他会用什么来检查他的记忆呢? 如果没有公开检查他用来检查他不断变化的含义的记忆,他永远不会知道他在使用“N”这个词是什么——维特根斯坦的例子,因为指的是同一件事,不同的事情,或者坦率地说任何稳定的东西足以被命名。

    这是一个相当怀疑的巡回演出。

    回复:@Steve Sailer、@Reg Cæsar、@Right_On、@Dieter Kief、@Papinian

    谢谢。

  22. @Anon
    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    回复:@Reg Cæsar、@Achmed E. Newman、@El Dato、@Gordo

    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    这种渐进式的白痴正是他们所做的。 “跨性别者”不仅仅是现代的“2+2=5”,而是 101 房间里的奥布莱恩让你说,地狱,让你 相信 “2+2=5”。

    (请注意,奥威尔不是在预测未来,而是在嘲笑最近的过去。它已经在这里了。)

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    被“匿名者”称为懦夫就像被 吉米卡特称其为丑陋.

    • 回复: @Anon
    @RegCæsar



    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。
     
    这种渐进式的白痴正是他们所做的。
     
    看! 一只松鼠!

    回复:@RegCæsar

  23. @Deckin
    作者严重低估了维特根斯坦论证的力量。

    关键不仅在于一种私人语言,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一个 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 永远无法确定他是否确实改变了含义。 那是因为用户对任何术语(他跟踪的方式)的唯一检查是记忆; 但是他会用什么来检查他的记忆呢? 如果没有公开检查他用来检查他不断变化的含义的记忆,他永远不会知道他在使用“N”这个词是什么——维特根斯坦的例子,因为指的是同一件事,不同的事情,或者坦率地说任何稳定的东西足以被命名。

    这是一个相当怀疑的巡回演出。

    回复:@Steve Sailer、@Reg Cæsar、@Right_On、@Dieter Kief、@Papinian

    关键不仅在于,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”的私人语言是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一种语言,从这个意义上说 根据定义,语言是一种群体现象。

    语言保护主义者喜欢指出,舌头不会随着最后一个说话者而消亡,而是会随着倒数第二个说话者而消亡。

    • 同意: Gordo
  24. @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person - you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    Replies: @Herp McDerp, @International Jew, @Anon, @VivaLaMigra

    How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    这个!

    Perhaps I’m just a coward, but when talking and writing about third parties I don’t use pronouns if there’s any degree of ambiguity or or uncertainty, or if I disagree with 那个人* about gender or sexual identity. There are alternatives, including the person’s name, job title, or substitutions like “that idiot.”

    The Woke are litigious, and it gives them a sense of power to ruin other people’s lives.

    ----------
    *There, for example.

    • 回复: @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @赫普·麦克德普


    Perhaps I’m just a coward, but when talking and writing about third parties I don’t use pronouns if there’s any degree of ambiguity or or uncertainty, or if I disagree with that person* about gender or sexual identity.
     
    No, this is the only practical solution. It is not my job to recall the inner thoughts and identify of every person on this planet. I can only reasonably expect to known perhaps a few dozen people at a significantly personal level, and perhaps a couple hundred by name.

    Pronouns encode information that should be obvious without detailed knowledge, for example who is being referred to, singular vs. plural and gender. If one of these, for example gender is 不明显, then a pronoun is inappropriate because it will not serve it's purpose.

    The deeper question is regulation of language by authoritarian design rather than by organic evolutionary emergence. Authoritarian design undercuts the natural feedback mechanisms that determine if a language change survives the test of fitness for purpose. Since authoritarian constructs cannot evolve, they can be killed by environmental changes.

    IMO, a passive resistance will be the most effective resistance to the authority. We are already seeing the asinine xhe dissapear.

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    @阿农


    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。
     

    This sort of incremental idiocy is exactly how they do it. "Transgender" isn't merely the modern "2+2=5", it's O'Brien in Room 101 making you say, hell, making you 相信 "2+2=5".

    (Note that Orwell wasn't predicting the future but mocking the recent past. It was already here.)


    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

     

    Being called a coward by "Anon" is like being 吉米卡特称其为丑陋.

    回复:@Anon

    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    这种渐进式的白痴正是他们所做的。

    看! 一只松鼠!

    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
    @阿农

    You again.

    It doesn't matter what they force us to do; the point is that they force us at all. The "transgender" business is not a diversion, it's the kid glove worn by the mailed fist. That's why
    303 Creative v. Elenis was taken up by a civil liberties group. A real one.

    I don't expect you to grasp this point, but others here will with no problem.

  26. @Mr. Blank
    @Abolish_public_education

    像那么简单就好了。 我几乎因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    回复:@JackOH、@Hangnail Hans、@tyrone、@Stan d Mute

    布兰克先生,我感谢所有关于 UR, but some folks seem to believe we contrarians here have more power and influence than we actually do. Many of us here are simply not in a position to meaningfully push back against the latest insult to our work skills, our sense of order, or–Chrissake–our personal dignity.

    我猜鞋子已经在另一只脚上有一段时间了。 我们应该冷静地谈论反白人种族主义、异性恋、恶作剧,而不是种族主义、同性恋恐惧症、厌女症等等。 当然,在法律、牛大众舆论和大企业的怂恿下,最后一个在化解传统主义保守的思想和行为模式方面具有优势。

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    @杰克

    'I gather the shoe has been on the other foot for some time. Instead of racism, homophobia, misogyny and what-not, we ought to be talking calmly about anti-White racism, heterophobia, misandry. Abetted, of course, by law, bovine popular opinion, and Big Business, the last of which sees advantage in dissolving traditionalist-conservative patterns of thought and behavior.'

    我认为这仍然没有抓住重点。

    You're still seeking -- at least implicitly -- some sort of equitable solution.

    Nah, That's not how it works. They've started a war. You can lose, or you can win.

    回复:@JackOH

  27. “There’s no use trying,” she said: “one can’t believe impossible things.” “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

  28. 维特根斯坦是犹太人,但在维也纳的一个富丽堂皇的家中成长为天主教徒。 克林普特为他的妹妹画画,勃拉姆斯是常客,他在家中弹奏九到十架三角钢琴中的一架。 猜猜谁是他在林茨皇家学校的同龄但不同年级的同学? 除了小希特勒本人,有史以来最邪恶的小孩。 不过,我想不通,希特勒怎么会和罗斯柴尔德家族之后欧洲第二富有的孩子的后代一起上学。 是免费学校吗? 希特勒比我们知道的更富有吗? 一个谜。 有人提出,《我的奋斗》中令人讨厌的犹太同学就是维特根斯坦。 此外,维特根斯坦很可能是剑桥金菲尔比间谍圈中的“第五人”。 几乎可以肯定,他多年来一直是苏联间谍。

    • 不同意: Gordo
    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @红丸天使

    哈耶克是维特根斯坦的侄子,或者类似的东西。

    , @Anon
    @红丸天使


    维特根斯坦是犹太人,但在维也纳的一个富丽堂皇的家中成长为天主教徒。
     
    维特根斯坦的母亲是外邦人,他的外祖母是外邦人。 维特根斯坦不是犹太人。

    回复:@Steve Sailer,@Red Pill Angel

    , @El Dato
    @红丸天使

    这听起来像是可以将其融入罗伯特哈里斯锅具的情节中。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein


    他出生于欧洲最富有的家庭之一维也纳,1913 年从父亲那里继承了一笔财富。他最初向艺术家和作家捐款,然后在第一次世界大战后个人严重抑郁的时期,将他的全部财产捐出。给他的兄弟姐妹们带来好运。 [20] [21] 他的四个哥哥中有三个死于不同的自杀行为。 维特根斯坦数次离开学术界——在第一次世界大战期间担任前线军官,并因其勇气多次获得嘉奖; 在奥地利偏远村庄的学校任教,在那里他在数学课上遇到了对女孩和男孩使用暴力的争议(Haidbauer 事件);

     

    我可以同情。

    也是早期的反vaxxer。


    二战期间在伦敦担任医院搬运工,主要是告诉患者不要服用处方药,后来还在泰恩河畔纽卡斯尔的皇家维多利亚医院担任医院实验室技术员。

     

    显然是部分犹太人(不像当代著名的逻辑学家,比如 根岑,只是说)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein#Jewish_background_and_Hitler

    关于维特根斯坦和他的 3/4 犹太人血统的兄弟姐妹在多大程度上将自己视为犹太人,存在很多争论。
     

    以及

    在他自己的著作中,维特根斯坦经常称自己为犹太人,有时是明显的自我鞭打的一部分。 例如,在斥责自己是“有生产力的”而不是“有生产力的”思想家时,他将此归因于他自己的犹太人身份感,他写道:

    圣人是唯一的犹太天才。 即使是最伟大的犹太思想家也不过是天才而已。 (例如我自己)。
     

    和年轻的希特勒在同一个班级会毁了你!

    有关超自然比例的信息转储,请访问:

    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/
    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-atomism/
    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-mathematics/

    既没有提到希特勒也没有提到犹太人。

    总之很耐人寻味。

    swole_doge.jpg

    回复:@Steve Sailer

  29. … Wittgenstein concluded that a wholly private language was conceptually impossible and that for terms and definitions to have any fixed meaning at all required checks and balances provided by other language users.

    A refutation of Wittgenstein’s claim is provided by Ishi, the California Indian who was the last member of his people. He was also the last speaker — and in his lifetime, the 仅由 speaker — of the Yana language.

    • 回复: @notbe
    @赫普·麦克德普

    its a bit different-ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana that ishi was the only speaker of that language doesnt matter, other speakers had to follow the same rules...unfortunately they died out, one after the other leaving only ishi

    回复:@Herp McDerp

  30. “如果你真的,真的需要成为关注的焦点,你就必须在其他地方做。 我没有时间假装你很重要或很有趣。”

    • 同意: Abolish_public_education
    • 谢谢: Stan d Mute
  31. Wittgenstein the homosexual was in the same high school graduating class as Adolf Hitler…you can google the photo…..

    • 同意: Red Pill Angel
  32. @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person - you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    Replies: @Herp McDerp, @International Jew, @Anon, @VivaLaMigra

    Taking umbrage on behalf of third persons is what it’s all about. Same as when one white person corrects another white person over saying 爱斯基摩 or 霍滕托特.

    至于 你, of course that’s trouble-free in English since there’s only one term for it. Certain other languages offer more opportunities for the language police. Hebrew does have masculine and feminine forms for 你。 In Russian, past tense verbs are gendered and so are all adjectives. In Hebrew (and Arabic actually), practically everything is gendered — adjectives, verbs in first second and third person in all tenses, adjectives, and of course the (two) words for 美味. Fortunately, wokeness hasn’t gained much traction in either Russia or Israel.

    • 回复: @stillCARealist
    @国际犹太人

    Is this the problem with English? No gender to our grammar? Where the heck did that come from anyway? Why does language need gender?

    That was four questions. I'd appreciate four succinct answers, thank you. No more, no less.

  33. @Anon
    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    回复:@Reg Cæsar、@Achmed E. Newman、@El Dato、@Gordo

    I agree with Reg here. This cultural revoulution is part of the conquering and, in fact, a pretty good start. If people won’t fight back the purposeful stupidity on these issues, they sure as hell ain’t gonna fight when the Communist Feral government starts telling them to stay inside for a month as a personal LOCKDOWN for some trangression or another.

    America is full of pussies who are now masking up for Season 3 of the Flu Manchu PanicFest as I write. I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature. I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words “hysterical”, “retarded”, and “you ain’t gonna die today, lady.” That gas station didn’t make a sale of 4 gallons, a cherry Coke, and a bag of Starburst gummies, let me tell you right now. I’ve been banned from 76.

    • 回复: @El Dato
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    You shouldn't eat ultra-processed "food".

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    , @tyrone
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    It's always interesting to get a little slice of life........ cherry coke?.....starburst gummies?....they didn't have the extremely red hot dogs rotating in the broiler?

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)


    I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature.
     
    Was this a corporate policy (i.e. there was a sign on the door telling people this is what they could expect) or her personal policy?

    I ask because the temperature-taking process simply screams "liability" to me (e.g. the newly-minted plaintiff insisting "I caught Covid from standing close to your tester/the customer being tested).

    Is this practice, in fact, a good idea and I am just not seeing it?

    I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words “hysterical”, “retarded”, and “you ain’t gonna die today, lady.”
     
    I would have simply turned tail and left without a word. Rightly or wrongly, this Covid business seems to have instilled in me the habit of measuring personal interactions largely in terms of, "How much energy will taking Action X cost me?" If the answer is, "a lot," well, there had better be a large cheque waiting for me at the end of it.

    Most people, I am convinced, are simply not worth the bother.

    This woman is not helping tired, dusty travelers feel welcome, to say the least, but I have to wonder how much of what she did was up to her, and how much may have been the result of a "do this or else" memo from her corporate masters.

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

  34. @Deckin
    作者严重低估了维特根斯坦论证的力量。

    关键不仅在于一种私人语言,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一个 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 永远无法确定他是否确实改变了含义。 那是因为用户对任何术语(他跟踪的方式)的唯一检查是记忆; 但是他会用什么来检查他的记忆呢? 如果没有公开检查他用来检查他不断变化的含义的记忆,他永远不会知道他在使用“N”这个词是什么——维特根斯坦的例子,因为指的是同一件事,不同的事情,或者坦率地说任何稳定的东西足以被命名。

    这是一个相当怀疑的巡回演出。

    回复:@Steve Sailer、@Reg Cæsar、@Right_On、@Dieter Kief、@Papinian

    The Austrian logician can be hard work.

    You say that “a language is, by definition, a group phenomenon”. But suppose Humpty-Dumpty were to define language as “a written or spoken record of meaning”, or some-such; which could be utilized in a private diary. Why can’t ‘language’ mean just what he chooses it to mean?

    在他的 伦理, Spinoza stipulates the precise meanings of the terms he will be using. Suppose he’d never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza’s intellectual talents. I can’t see why that would invalidate his procedure.

    • 回复: @El Dato
    @Right_On


    Suppose he’d never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza’s intellectual talents. I can’t see why that would invalidate his procedure.

     

    That sounds like the premise of a Borges story.

    And why not? A "language" is ultimately a set of certain allowed graphs between nodes representing concepts which agent A transfers to agent B in order to elicit (intended) changes in agent B. There is nothing that prohibits A and B being the same. In particular A may use the language as record-keeping device. The pre-requisite is that A and B have the same idea of "intended changes".
    , @Dieter Kief
    @Right_On

    Aww, he finds himself at times bound or bewitched even, by his own observations. Wittgenstein too then has to cross the swamp of the Ego-philosophy. - The way out being intersubjective philosophy (Jürgen Habermas).

    回复:@ Anon62

  35. When somebody starts the conversation by announcing “my pronouns are…”, reply by reminding them that pronouns are in the public domain so they can’t “have” one.

    • 哈哈: Forbes
  36. @Mr. Blank
    @Abolish_public_education

    像那么简单就好了。 我几乎因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    回复:@JackOH、@Hangnail Hans、@tyrone、@Stan d Mute

    What a relief it is that I don’t have to deal with this nonsense first-hand. Because I’d surely refer to them as “it” and probably lose my job. If by chance they had “Hair” and asked me what the hell I just said, I’d say “It. 表妹 Itt.”

    And the only person I’d apologize to for that would be Sean Connery.

  37. @Red Pill Angel
    Wittgenstein was Jewish, but raised as a Catholic, in a palatial home in Vienna. Klimpt painted his sister and Brahms was a regular guest who played on one of the nine or ten grand pianos in the home. Guess who was his schoolmate, the same age but in a different grade at the Linz Realschule? None other than little Hitler himself, the most evil little kid ever ever. I can't figure out, though, how Hitler could have been going to school with the offspring of the second richest kid in Europe, after the Rothschilds. Was it a free school? Was Hitler richer than we knew? A mystery. It has been proposed that the hated Jewish schoolmate in Mein Kampf was none other than Wittgenstein. In addition, Wittgenstein might well have been the "fifth man" in the Kim Philby spy ring at Cambridge. He almost certainly was a Soviet spy for years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @El Dato

    Hayek was Wittgenstein’s nephew, or something like that.

    • 谢谢: Red Pill Angel
  38. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    …except when you do that, the powers that be will fire you from your job

    • 回复: @Stan d Mute
    @notbe


    除非你这样做,否则你的权力会解雇你
     
    只有在他们有能力解雇你的情况下,他们才能解雇你。 记住那个不读书的年轻人。 如果解雇你意味着直接的收入损失或无法阻止的未来损失,那么得到它的总是另一个人。

    确保您是制作人。

    回复:@Anonymous

  39. @Red Pill Angel
    Wittgenstein was Jewish, but raised as a Catholic, in a palatial home in Vienna. Klimpt painted his sister and Brahms was a regular guest who played on one of the nine or ten grand pianos in the home. Guess who was his schoolmate, the same age but in a different grade at the Linz Realschule? None other than little Hitler himself, the most evil little kid ever ever. I can't figure out, though, how Hitler could have been going to school with the offspring of the second richest kid in Europe, after the Rothschilds. Was it a free school? Was Hitler richer than we knew? A mystery. It has been proposed that the hated Jewish schoolmate in Mein Kampf was none other than Wittgenstein. In addition, Wittgenstein might well have been the "fifth man" in the Kim Philby spy ring at Cambridge. He almost certainly was a Soviet spy for years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @El Dato

    维特根斯坦是犹太人,但在维也纳的一个富丽堂皇的家中成长为天主教徒。

    维特根斯坦的母亲是外邦人,他的外祖母是外邦人。 维特根斯坦不是犹太人。

    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @阿农

    Tom Stoppard's latest play, "Leopoldstrasse," draws a lot from the history of the Wittgenstein family.

    , @Red Pill Angel
    @阿农

    You are correct. I should have been more precise.

  40. @Herp McDerp
    ... Wittgenstein concluded that a wholly private language was conceptually impossible and that for terms and definitions to have any fixed meaning at all required checks and balances provided by other language users.

    A refutation of Wittgenstein's claim is provided by Ishi, the California Indian who was the last member of his people. He was also the last speaker -- and in his lifetime, the 仅由 speaker -- of the Yana language.

    回复:@notbe

    its a bit different-ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana that ishi was the only speaker of that language doesnt matter, other speakers had to follow the same rules…unfortunately they died out, one after the other leaving only ishi

    • 回复: @Herp McDerp
    @notbe

    ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it
    ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana


    Wait. Wasn't a key element of Wittgenstein’s argument that someone with a private language 可以 make up his own rules, which would invalidate it?

    Or maybe Ishi 做了 make up his own rules, and Ishi's private Yana was different from "pure" Yana. Would that affect the answer to the question? And how would we ever know?

    回复:@notbe

  41. @anon
    https://unbelievable-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Emperor-Norton-I-7.jpg

    Replies: @Right_On, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Some time you should read the story “The Repairer of Reputations” by Robert W. Chambers. These days I feel like I’m actually living in “The King in Yellow.” You spend an hour on Twitter, it feels like you’ve read the forbidden Act Two which drives the reader insane.

    • 哈哈: El Dato
  42. @Anon
    @红丸天使


    维特根斯坦是犹太人,但在维也纳的一个富丽堂皇的家中成长为天主教徒。
     
    维特根斯坦的母亲是外邦人,他的外祖母是外邦人。 维特根斯坦不是犹太人。

    回复:@Steve Sailer,@Red Pill Angel

    Tom Stoppard’s latest play, “Leopoldstrasse,” draws a lot from the history of the Wittgenstein family.

  43. @JackOH
    About a dozen years ago I attended an academic debate that had been trumpeted in the campus newspaper. I was horrified. The participants did not actually know the nature of some of the words they were using. The weak provost wouldn't stop this travesty of a debate. Nor would the prexy.

    It's the 21st century and we're still debating the rectification of names. Or, maybe not. Maybe it really is all about power, money, and whatever in hell someone can get away with. Exceptions, I suppose, for hard science, engineering, the manual trades, farming. When I'm feeling particularly glum, I regard the student barbers where I often get my hair cut as contributing more to the world than the 300+ professors at my local Podunk Tech.

    Only had time for the quickest scan. I needed to vent.

    Replies: @Bill H.

    In a discussion, my 45-yr-old liberal niece said that the dictionary meaning of “radical” (which I had cited) was not what she meant by her use of the word. I asked her what she intended the word to mean and she could not say, only that it was not what the dictionary said it was.

    • 回复: @Badger Down
    @比尔H。

    And nothing to do with radishes, roots, uprooting, ausrottung, and eradicating. Voi-voi (a Finnish sigh of despair).

  44. If it didn’t have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There’s a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it’s a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, “Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?” To which Wittgenstein replies, “Certainly.”

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don’t really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion’s profile: you don’t see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn’t LOOK like a sandwich, and we can’t say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the “male” profile claiming to fit the “female” profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    • 同意: Red Pill Angel, sayless
    • 回复: @Dumbo
    @细菌的疾病理论

    No need to overthink it. Deep down, even transgenders know that they are not "real women". Or they wouldn't be called "trans"-genders. It's all about forcing anomalies and cognitive dissonance on others. The same cognitive dissonance they likely feel. Like with hot dogs, someone who has or had a "sausage" at birth, is not a "woman". They may identify as they wish but that won't change biology.

    回复:@VivaLaMigra

    , @Anonymous
    @细菌的疾病理论


    human beings are predators,
     
    引文需要。
    , @res
    @细菌的疾病理论


    they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.
     
    Pretty much an encapsulation of The Current Year.
    , @Forbes
    @细菌的疾病理论


    When a typical human sees an individual who fits the “male” profile claiming to fit the “female” profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress.
     
    No cognitive dissonance here--it causes me to see and think, "freak." Possibly, "insane freak." And more than likely, "insane, in need of mental health help or therapy."

    The 'trans' are seriously troubled people who are not helped by our participation in their charade of self-deception.
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @细菌的疾病理论


    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the “male” profile claiming to fit the “female” profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.
     
    So close, but then you hid the realisation behind abstractions.

    , seeing other people in pain does hurt. This makes it yours, in fact. How do you acknowledge this?
  45. On the contrary, such false “rights” claims actually amount to severe rights violations of the vast majority of everyday language-users and citizens and cause irreparable damage to the set of shared social and linguistic practices necessary for coordinating the basic public goods of a free, flourishing, and truth-preserving society.

    As i’ve repeatedly pointed out–but it simply remains true–the tranny looniness is not some special unique one-off.

    The tranny nonsense and thuggery is simply the latest instantiation of the minoritarian ideology:
    Minorities have the right to make the majority accommodate it.

    Sure it’s insane and whackadoodle. But “transgenderism” actually less insane than a society accepting minoritarianism as a its reigning ideology/legal system.

    In a healthy society/nation the majority carries on with its culture–does whatever it needs or wants to do for its survival and healthy functioning–and minorities accommodate themselves to that–or leave. It can not be other than thus. The reverse–minoritarianism–means death for the nation.

    Conservatives could blow this tranny crap out of the water because of its obvious insanity. (Doubt it, but possible.) But that won’t make an iota of difference to anything unless they move on to destroy minoritarianism. At the rate things are going now America and West simply won’t exist much longer. Minoritarianism is national/civilizational death.

    • 同意: Forbes
  46. @Anon
    @RegCæsar



    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。
     
    这种渐进式的白痴正是他们所做的。
     
    看! 一只松鼠!

    回复:@RegCæsar

    You again.

    It doesn’t matter what they force us to do; the point is that they force us at all. The “transgender” business is not a diversion, it’s the kid glove worn by the mailed fist. That’s why
    303 Creative v. Elenis was taken up by a civil liberties group. A real one.

    I don’t expect you to grasp this point, but others here will with no problem.

  47. @JackOH
    @先生。 空白的

    布兰克先生,我感谢所有关于 UR,但有些人似乎认为我们这里的逆势者比我们实际拥有更多的权力和影响力。 我们这里的许多人根本无法有意义地反击最近对我们的工作技能、我们的秩序感或 - Chrissake - 我们的个人尊严的侮辱。

    我猜鞋子已经在另一只脚上有一段时间了。 我们应该冷静地谈论反白人种族主义、异性恋、恶作剧,而不是种族主义、同性恋恐惧症、厌女症等等。 当然,在法律、牛大众舆论和大企业的怂恿下,最后一个在化解传统主义保守的思想和行为模式方面具有优势。

    回复:@Colin Wright

    “我猜鞋子在另一只脚上已经有一段时间了。 我们应该冷静地谈论反白人种族主义、异性恋、恶作剧,而不是种族主义、同性恋恐惧症、厌女症等等。 当然,在法律、牛大众舆论和大企业的怂恿下,大企业在化解传统主义保守的思想和行为模式方面具有优势。

    我认为这仍然没有抓住重点。

    你仍在寻求——至少是隐含地——某种公平的解决方案。

    不,这不是它的工作原理。 他们发动了战争。 你可以输,也可以赢。

    • 同意: Gordo
    • 回复: @JackOH
    @科林·赖特

    你当然是对的,但我认为对于那些既没有肌肉也没有钱的小反对者来说,勇敢的更好的部分是采取“天真/九年级公民”的态度。 假设一项坚持你的政策是诚实错误或无意疏忽的结果,而意见领袖会欢迎有理由的异议。

    当我们的意见领袖希望理性的持不同政见者闭嘴,或将他们的思想引导到有控制的反对派中时,保持“天真”的姿势可能是一个真正的压力源:民主党和共和派、官僚化的利益集团、 .

    但是,再一次,作为一般规则,我们的霸主可以接受他们试图将其描述为双赢的零和政治。

  48. @Achmed E. Newman
    @阿农

    I agree with Reg here. This cultural revoulution is part of the conquering and, in fact, a pretty good start. If people won't fight back the purposeful stupidity on these issues, they sure as hell ain't gonna fight when the Communist Feral government starts telling them to stay inside for a month as a personal LOCKDOWN for some trangression or another.

    America is full of pussies who are now masking up for Season 3 of the Flu Manchu PanicFest as I write. I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature. I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words "hysterical", "retarded", and "you ain't gonna die today, lady." That gas station didn't make a sale of 4 gallons, a cherry Coke, and a bag of Starburst gummies, let me tell you right now. I've been banned from 76.

    Replies: @El Dato, @tyrone, @Anonymous

    You shouldn’t eat ultra-processed “food”.

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)

    El Dato, it was on a family road trip*, and my kid gets those treats only on occasion. The Cherry Coke was for me to keep awake for another couple of hundred miles.

    You are quite right to put "food" in scare quotes.

    I picked up enough material for 10 blog posts already on this trip. Holy crap, I had no idea some parts of the country are freaked out again. There's a reason I have to hold on the details for a while.

    .

    * So the "Spirit of '76 gas station banning was not a big deal. Down the road I go ... [/old CCR]

  49. @Right_On
    @德金

    The Austrian logician can be hard work.

    You say that "a language is, by definition, a group phenomenon". But suppose Humpty-Dumpty were to define language as "a written or spoken record of meaning", or some-such; which could be utilized in a private diary. Why can't 'language' mean just what he chooses it to mean?

    在他的 伦理, Spinoza stipulates the precise meanings of the terms he will be using. Suppose he'd never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza's intellectual talents. I can't see why that would invalidate his procedure.

    回覆:@El Dato,@ Dieter Kief

    Suppose he’d never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza’s intellectual talents. I can’t see why that would invalidate his procedure.

    That sounds like the premise of a Borges story.

    And why not? A “language” is ultimately a set of certain allowed graphs between nodes representing concepts which agent A transfers to agent B in order to elicit (intended) changes in agent B. There is nothing that prohibits A and B being the same. In particular A may use the language as record-keeping device. The pre-requisite is that A and B have the same idea of “intended changes”.

  50. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    But silence is violence!

  51. @notbe
    @赫普·麦克德普

    its a bit different-ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana that ishi was the only speaker of that language doesnt matter, other speakers had to follow the same rules...unfortunately they died out, one after the other leaving only ishi

    回复:@Herp McDerp

    ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it
    ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana

    Wait. Wasn’t a key element of Wittgenstein’s argument that someone with a private language 可以 make up his own rules, which would invalidate it?

    Or maybe Ishi 做了 make up his own rules, and Ishi’s private Yana was different from “pure” Yana. Would that affect the answer to the question? And how would we ever know?

    • 回复: @notbe
    @赫普·麦克德普

    we would never know if a sole surviving speaker of an undocumented language that has only distant linquistic relatives is making up his rules but i would say its unlikely-usually sole survivivors are either old or middle aged, they been speaking that language with deceased relatives and friends for a long time

    in ishis case, its unlikely he would suddenly develop new rules of grammar, word meanings, new vocabulary like transpeople do when suddenly they want to be referred as "xir" or whatever those nutscases currently use as their form of adress

    an equivalent might be the last speaker of english, he or she would say "I am speaking english, which is a language that i am the last speaker of" instead of "Xir spoke Ing, lang xir ended talk talk"

    ishis belief system and technology was verified by anthropologist as similar to related surviving california indians- ishi did not develop new ways of discussing the universe, taboos, or a new way of constructing a bow and arrow instead his beliefs and technological know how were in the milleu of california native groups thus again its unlikely that ishsis language was developed by him but rather he was speaking a language which predated him

    correct me if im wrong but anthropologists thought ishsis language was similar to the languages of related indians thus ishi was probably not speaking his own made up language- in fact, i think, anthropologists could communicate with ishi initially by using related native languages

    I think wittengenstein was discussing a hypothetical case-my understanding is that he thought that a case of someone making his or xers own language rules then forcing everyone to comply was too ridicilous to actually be possible welcome to western civilization in the 21st century

  52. @Simon
    出于礼貌,您可能会选择做某些事情。

    当 WC Fields 饰演的 Egbert Souse 声称他的名字是发音时 诉说 ——“e 上的重音”(当然,他的意思是 aigu 口音)——你可能会同意它只是为了礼貌。

    当我 5 岁或 6 岁的小妹妹坚持说她长大后想成为牛仔而不是女牛仔时,我不应该和她争论(今天我后悔做了)。 我可能应该逗弄她。

    当一个疯子要求你称他为“博士”时或“殿下”或“拿破仑”,你可能也想逗他。

    但是我们没有理由相信它,也没有理由在那个人不在的时候假装。

    那些声称自己性别的人也是如此。

    回复:@Wade Hampton、@Anonymous、@Cortes

    This is a reasonable argument, and I’m sure many decent and intelligent people would find it convincing.
    但我们这个时代的事实是,今天提出此类要求的人并不是让他们成为孤立的疯子,而是将自己的疯癫视为与历史的道德潮流保持一致的人。 然而,困惑的人所认为的自由和道德进步是日益增长的极权主义和邪恶。
    我认为我们这个时代需要的是立即谴责。
    你被要求撒谎。
    你被要求以一种直接或间接助长道德邪恶的方式撒谎。
    任何担心他人如何看待自己性别的人都是可以挽救的。
    They don’t fully believe absolute nonsense.
    你通过包容他们来伤害他们。
    But of course, we have to choose our battles, and the “bigger” moral problem is that you are harming others.
    你正在伤害无知的年轻男女,他们可能会觉得废话的吸引力,以此来证明他们在一个越来越向大多数人隐藏意义的世界中的存在。
    而且你正在伤害更多理智的男人和女人,尽管他们可能不会在内部完全将男性或女性视为他们本质的内在特征,因此可能会在努力成为最好的男人或女人时动摇。

    不要告诉我说谎。
    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

    • 回复: @VivaLaMigra
    @匿名的


    But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives his or her [[sic] lunacy
     
    May I suggest that a far more fluent construction would be: " But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives 那些 lunacy...." The use of the indefinite pronoun "one" eliminates the very clumsy, and utterly unnecessary, "his or her." The use of the pronoun "his" in this context has been accepted, and grammatically correct, for centuries. We don't know the specific gender of this hypothetical person, but we do know we're discussing ONE person and the singular pronoun "his" suffices. CONTEXT matters in language. Any literate speaker of English is taught to accept that "his" isn't gender specific in this usage; it's the singular form that's significant to the meaning of the phrase.

    回复:@Eagle Eye

    , @njguy73
    @匿名的


    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

     

    我当然希望你的抵押贷款已经还清,你的银行里还有 F-You 的钱。

    回复:@Anonymous

  53. I think the chance to avoid men’s prison has to be a pretty big incentive for some people:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/far-too-dangerous-triple-killer-regina-arthurell-placed-under-strict-supervision-20210805-p58g4l.html

    I admire the journalist’s restraint and understatement.

    • 回复: @El Dato
    @段迪仁

    If you can be aggressed by homicidal trans maniacs, you are one step nearer to societal bliss.


    He said Arthurell’s physical health was ″⁣quite poor″⁣ and included hand tremors and being blind in one eye due to glaucoma, and that she was living an ″⁣extremely circumscribed, isolated, difficult life in the community″⁣.
     
    All of that could have been avoided with the death penalty.
  54. @Anon
    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    回复:@Reg Cæsar、@Achmed E. Newman、@El Dato、@Gordo

    Why not look for love in unexpected places instead?

    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates

    Police in Virginia have classified Chris Chan, 39, as female because he says he’s a trans woman, but he is biologically male and has allegedly admitted to raping his mother, 79, who suffers from dementia. We live in a sick world.

    沉默就是暴力。
    Sickness is Progress.
    Rolling immigro-trucks are pension security.
    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!

    • 谢谢: photondancer
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)

    If they ever remake Silence of the Lambs would Hannibal Lecter be played as a Tranny?
    And presumably be locked up in a women's prison?

    , @Anon
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)


    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates
     
    Female convicts don’t need you to look out for them. They have—or will have—plenty of support from elsewhere.

    You are needed at the border.

    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!
     
    One of BAP’s last tweets before he was banned permanently advocated for a singular focus on immigration and repatriation.
  55. @DuanDiRen
    I think the chance to avoid men's prison has to be a pretty big incentive for some people:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/far-too-dangerous-triple-killer-regina-arthurell-placed-under-strict-supervision-20210805-p58g4l.html

    I admire the journalist's restraint and understatement.

    回复:@El Dato

    If you can be aggressed by homicidal trans maniacs, you are one step nearer to societal bliss.

    He said Arthurell’s physical health was ″⁣quite poor″⁣ and included hand tremors and being blind in one eye due to glaucoma, and that she was living an ″⁣extremely circumscribed, isolated, difficult life in the community″⁣.

    All of that could have been avoided with the death penalty.

  56. @Simon
    出于礼貌,您可能会选择做某些事情。

    当 WC Fields 饰演的 Egbert Souse 声称他的名字是发音时 诉说 ——“e 上的重音”(当然,他的意思是 aigu 口音)——你可能会同意它只是为了礼貌。

    当我 5 岁或 6 岁的小妹妹坚持说她长大后想成为牛仔而不是女牛仔时,我不应该和她争论(今天我后悔做了)。 我可能应该逗弄她。

    当一个疯子要求你称他为“博士”时或“殿下”或“拿破仑”,你可能也想逗他。

    但是我们没有理由相信它,也没有理由在那个人不在的时候假装。

    那些声称自己性别的人也是如此。

    回复:@Wade Hampton、@Anonymous、@Cortes

    The Souse/SUE-say scenario underpinned the success of the BBC sitcom

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_Up_Appearances

    featuring Hyacinth Bucket (“Bouquet”) which was popular in the USA, according to the Wikipedia article.

    In his chapter dedicated to surnames, Basil Cottle’s “Names” includes the hilarious example of an East Anglian occupational surname – Hogsflesh (pork butcher) – which a 1970s bearer insisted was pronounced “Hooflay”.

    Pretensions about names are essentially harmless as long as they are the result of individual snobbery, social insecurities or mental problems and can safely be humoured. Where an organised claque is attempting to enforce acceptance of them, they have to be resisted.

  57. 这种虚假的“权利”主张实际上构成了对绝大多数日常语言使用者和公民的严重侵犯权利,并对协调自由、繁荣和繁荣的基本公共产品所必需的一套共享的社会和语言实践造成了无法弥补的损害。维护真理的社会。

    允许这种虚假权利主张膨胀而不受积极权利主张水平的反对的社会和政治后果,最终编入实际的国家强制法律中(正如加拿大的 C-16 法案和很快将与美国的平等法案一样) ) 将无异于对新的牧师阶层的法律制裁,他们将所有现实变为现实,然后是社会其他人,他们必须简单地服从。

    1) 这些是关于语言的精确评论。

    2) 语言是一项集体成就,是实现共同利益的好榜样。

    3)因此,滥用它是公地悲剧的一个很好的例子。

    • 同意: El Dato
    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    1) 这些是关于语言的精确评论。

    2) 语言是一项集体成就,是实现共同利益的好榜样。

    3)因此,滥用它是公地悲剧的一个很好的例子。

    卡尔·克劳斯 (Karl Kraus) 以支持语言精确必不可少的观点而闻名,而不精确预示着文明的衰落 "denn hätten die Leute, die dazu verpflichtet sind, immer darauf geachtet, daß die Beistriche am richtigen Platz stehen, so würde Shanghai nicht brennen.“ = " for if those charged to look after commas had always ensured they were in the right place, Shanghai would not be burning'. (That was written during the 1932 bombardment of Shanghai by the Japanese.)

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  58. @Right_On
    @德金

    The Austrian logician can be hard work.

    You say that "a language is, by definition, a group phenomenon". But suppose Humpty-Dumpty were to define language as "a written or spoken record of meaning", or some-such; which could be utilized in a private diary. Why can't 'language' mean just what he chooses it to mean?

    在他的 伦理, Spinoza stipulates the precise meanings of the terms he will be using. Suppose he'd never wanted anyone else to read his book and it had been written just to exercise Spinoza's intellectual talents. I can't see why that would invalidate his procedure.

    回覆:@El Dato,@ Dieter Kief

    Aww, he finds himself at times bound or bewitched even, by his own observations. Wittgenstein too then has to cross the swamp of the Ego-philosophy. – The way out being intersubjective philosophy (Jürgen Habermas).

    • 回复: @Anon62
    @Dieter基夫

    Habermas' primary concern is the role of intersubjectivity in human affairs.

    What we call "truth" is something that is agreed between the two of us, or is agreed by tacit common usage within the community of which we find ourselves a part. It is true that "freedom fries" may have once existed but that particular usage is now deprecated and forgotten.

    It is clear from history (and also contemporary practice) that we find some "truth" claims to be highly objectionable. One groups ideal may be another groups holocaust.

    Another example - "the rules based international order" means precisely whatever the global hegemon claims it means and, as is presently the case, any such proclamation by the hegemon is likely to conflict with accepted international law and the contemporary usage and meaning endorsed and accepted by other states.

    As has been asserted up thread any intersubjective "truth claim" (and all "truth claims" are intersubjective) is subject to contestation. In the anarchy of international relations any claim by the hegemon may ultimately be contested by other states and this invariably proceeds to armed conflict after which the victor writes history.

    This endless process is known as "progress."

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  59. @Anon
    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    回复:@Reg Cæsar、@Achmed E. Newman、@El Dato、@Gordo

    欧洲和美国正在被征服。

    然而,这里的人们宁愿沉迷于变性人,或者“戴面具”。

    你要么是傻瓜,要么是懦夫。

    大游戏/小游戏。

    你可以玩小游戏,但大游戏是出界的。

  60. @Red Pill Angel
    Wittgenstein was Jewish, but raised as a Catholic, in a palatial home in Vienna. Klimpt painted his sister and Brahms was a regular guest who played on one of the nine or ten grand pianos in the home. Guess who was his schoolmate, the same age but in a different grade at the Linz Realschule? None other than little Hitler himself, the most evil little kid ever ever. I can't figure out, though, how Hitler could have been going to school with the offspring of the second richest kid in Europe, after the Rothschilds. Was it a free school? Was Hitler richer than we knew? A mystery. It has been proposed that the hated Jewish schoolmate in Mein Kampf was none other than Wittgenstein. In addition, Wittgenstein might well have been the "fifth man" in the Kim Philby spy ring at Cambridge. He almost certainly was a Soviet spy for years.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @El Dato

    这听起来像是可以将其融入罗伯特哈里斯锅具的情节中。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein

    Born in Vienna into one of Europe’s richest families, he inherited a fortune from his father in 1913. He initially made some donations to artists and writers, and then, in a period of severe personal depression after World War I, he gave away his entire fortune to his brothers and sisters.[20][21] Three of his four older brothers died by separate acts of suicide. Wittgenstein left academia several times—serving as an officer on the front line during World War I, where he was decorated a number of times for his courage; teaching in schools in remote Austrian villages, where he encountered controversy for use of violence, to girls and to a boy (the Haidbauer incident), during mathematics classes;

    我可以同情。

    也是早期的反vaxxer。

    二战期间在伦敦担任医院搬运工,主要是告诉患者不要服用处方药,后来还在泰恩河畔纽卡斯尔的皇家维多利亚医院担任医院实验室技术员。

    显然是部分犹太人(不像当代著名的逻辑学家,比如 根岑,只是说)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein#Jewish_background_and_Hitler

    关于维特根斯坦和他的 3/4 犹太人血统的兄弟姐妹在多大程度上将自己视为犹太人,存在很多争论。

    以及

    In his own writings Wittgenstein frequently referred to himself as Jewish, at times as part of an apparent self-flagellation. For example, while berating himself for being a “reproductive” as opposed to “productive” thinker, he attributed this to his own Jewish sense of identity, writing:

    圣人是唯一的犹太天才。 即使是最伟大的犹太思想家也不过是天才而已。 (例如我自己)。

    和年轻的希特勒在同一个班级会毁了你!

    有关超自然比例的信息转储,请访问:

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-atomism/
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-mathematics/

    既没有提到希特勒也没有提到犹太人。

    总之很耐人寻味。

    swole_doge.jpg

    • 谢谢: Red Pill Angel
    • 回复: @Steve Sailer
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)

    《国家评论》在 1970 年代发表了一篇关于维特根斯坦的怪癖的文章,这些文章引人瞩目。

    回复:@ slumber_j,@黑海

  61. @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person - you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    Replies: @Herp McDerp, @International Jew, @Anon, @VivaLaMigra

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of “she/they.” Huh? Which is it? Either? You don’t care which?

    How do you get out of high school and through a Ph.D. program without learning English grammar?

    Possible preferred pronouns are:

    — she/her or she/her/herself

    — they/them or they/them/their/theirs/themself

    The idea is you choose a gender, he, she, or they, and then you decline out as much as you want from there; usually a single extra declension is enough to show the pattern. I think just saying he, she, or they is enough. In the beginning of this madness the idea was that people would choose made-up pronouns, but even the woke decided that was going too far. In that case you’d need the whole declension: xhe/xhem/xher/xhers/xhemsylf.

    • 回复: @Badger Down
    @阿农

    If your good doctor is in the next room, would one say "They are in the next room." or "They is in the next room."?

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @阿农

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of “she/they.”

    Perhaps she's making a mockery of the whole thing. (We can hope.)

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @阿农

    Why are you forcing her into the binary of using/not-using, choosing/not-choosing, having/not-having? Obviously, she is free! Free from people, but free to make demands on people! Wittgenstein was an oppressor!

  62. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If it didn't have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There's a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it's a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, "Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?" To which Wittgenstein replies, "Certainly."

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don't really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion's profile: you don't see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn't LOOK like a sandwich, and we can't say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the "male" profile claiming to fit the "female" profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Anonymous, @res, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    No need to overthink it. Deep down, even transgenders know that they are not “real women”. Or they wouldn’t be called “trans”-genders. It’s all about forcing anomalies and cognitive dissonance on others. The same cognitive dissonance they likely feel. Like with hot dogs, someone who has or had a “sausage” at birth, is not a “woman”. They may identify as they wish but that won’t change biology.

    • 回复: @VivaLaMigra
    @小飞象


    "They [sic] may identify as they [sic] wish but that won’t change biology."
     
    Um, you just fell into theSnowflakes' trap of using "they" to refer to a single individual, and one with a "sausage" to boot; ie. a male. So, the proper construction of your final sentence would be "He may identify as he 希望es but that won't change biology." Note that the antecedent of the pronoun in the final sentence is "someone" from the phrase in the preceding sentence "someone who has or had a 'sausage' at birth...." In that sentence, you have ONE person, ie. "some一种." You have [see what I did there?] paired with a singular "sausage" at the time of 他的 birth. These pronouns which clarify the GENDER of the hypothetical person in question make the whole construction more precise. We don't know the exact individual to whom we're referrring, but we DO know he was born with a penis and is therefore male.
  63. @El Dato
    @红丸天使

    这听起来像是可以将其融入罗伯特哈里斯锅具的情节中。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein


    他出生于欧洲最富有的家庭之一维也纳,1913 年从父亲那里继承了一笔财富。他最初向艺术家和作家捐款,然后在第一次世界大战后个人严重抑郁的时期,将他的全部财产捐出。给他的兄弟姐妹们带来好运。 [20] [21] 他的四个哥哥中有三个死于不同的自杀行为。 维特根斯坦数次离开学术界——在第一次世界大战期间担任前线军官,并因其勇气多次获得嘉奖; 在奥地利偏远村庄的学校任教,在那里他在数学课上遇到了对女孩和男孩使用暴力的争议(Haidbauer 事件);

     

    我可以同情。

    也是早期的反vaxxer。


    二战期间在伦敦担任医院搬运工,主要是告诉患者不要服用处方药,后来还在泰恩河畔纽卡斯尔的皇家维多利亚医院担任医院实验室技术员。

     

    显然是部分犹太人(不像当代著名的逻辑学家,比如 根岑,只是说)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein#Jewish_background_and_Hitler

    关于维特根斯坦和他的 3/4 犹太人血统的兄弟姐妹在多大程度上将自己视为犹太人,存在很多争论。
     

    以及

    在他自己的著作中,维特根斯坦经常称自己为犹太人,有时是明显的自我鞭打的一部分。 例如,在斥责自己是“有生产力的”而不是“有生产力的”思想家时,他将此归因于他自己的犹太人身份感,他写道:

    圣人是唯一的犹太天才。 即使是最伟大的犹太思想家也不过是天才而已。 (例如我自己)。
     

    和年轻的希特勒在同一个班级会毁了你!

    有关超自然比例的信息转储,请访问:

    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/
    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-atomism/
    - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein-mathematics/

    既没有提到希特勒也没有提到犹太人。

    总之很耐人寻味。

    swole_doge.jpg

    回复:@Steve Sailer

    National Review ran an article in the 1970s about Wittgenstein’s eccentricities, which were remarkable.

    • 回复: @slumber_j
    @史蒂夫·塞勒

    由于拍摄对象的个人怪癖、令人难以置信的生活环境和游手好闲的倾向,雷蒙克的 路德维希·维特根斯坦:天才的责任 是一本难得的学术哲学家传记,你真的很想通读一遍。 我强烈推荐它。

    无论如何,前几天我在对您关于物种是否存在的帖子的评论中提到了维特根斯坦对语言的一些担忧。 很抱歉引用我自己的话,但我认为这在这里也很重要:


    表达的实用性确实是维特根斯坦作品的核心,而人性混淆表达和所指对象的倾向是他最关心的问题之一,我认为这里更相关。 物种是否存在是一个与我们如何使用这个词的关系比其他任何事情都重要的问题:与以往一样,语言是一种社会习俗。

    自上而下地坚持告诉我们哪些词可能意味着或可能不意味着什么,这必然是无稽之谈。 直到最近,大多数英语国家至少隐含地理解这一点,这就是为什么(与法语或西班牙语不同)我们缺乏一个学院来决定单词的含义。 我们有 OED 或其他任何东西可以为我们指明正确的方向,但这不是规定性的。 顺便说一下,英国普通法在法律上与此类似,我从未见过讨论过这一事实,但可能我只是无知。
     

    回复:@ThreeCranes

    , @black sea
    @史蒂夫·塞勒

    The Austrian writer Thomas Bernhard wrote a memoir/novel about his friendship with Wittgenstein's nephew. As Bernhard describes it, he ultimately succumbed to the periodic bouts of mental illness which afflicted him. Bernhard, no beacon of happiness himself, renders this progression in unsparing detail. Well worth the time, if you're feeling overly chipper.

    Quotation below:


    “Seen from across the street, he was like someone to whom the world had long since given notice to quit but who was compelled to stay in it, no longer belonging to it, but unable to leave it.”
    ― Thomas Bernhard, Wittgenstein's Nephew
     

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  64. @Deckin
    作者严重低估了维特根斯坦论证的力量。

    关键不仅在于一种私人语言,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一个 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 永远无法确定他是否确实改变了含义。 那是因为用户对任何术语(他跟踪的方式)的唯一检查是记忆; 但是他会用什么来检查他的记忆呢? 如果没有公开检查他用来检查他不断变化的含义的记忆,他永远不会知道他在使用“N”这个词是什么——维特根斯坦的例子,因为指的是同一件事,不同的事情,或者坦率地说任何稳定的东西足以被命名。

    这是一个相当怀疑的巡回演出。

    回复:@Steve Sailer、@Reg Cæsar、@Right_On、@Dieter Kief、@Papinian

    I’d beg to differ a bit. Because what Wittgenstein here exemplifies is mostly right, but not quite right. Mostly right, in that language as a social tool, is open to criticism and correction by anybody (its strength and mode of progress/development – and at the same time its inherent weakness).

    As Right-On points out below, Wittgenstein is wrong in claiming that the use of a private language would necessarily lead to loss of memory or some such mistakes.

    But we can leave this aspect here aside because Michael Robillard in Quillette clearly tackles no private use of language, but a public one. Robillard’s argument stands. It is a rather important purpose of language to serve public means and this purpose is in dire straits, as soon as people treat it as if it would be an ultimately or – essentially – private thing to claim things to be true in public. The point here is what should be acknowledged as truth. And the answer is: With regard to biology and the like: The truth is what can be publicly defended as true via sound (solid/scientific) arguments. Biology is no subjective matter at all and you should not try to circumvent this well-estalbished fact by insisting on your subjective perspective – unless you are a – three-year-old kid, let’s say.

    PS

    Seen from this perspective it is reasonable to oppose everybody who wants to force others to acknowledge their private truth in essentially non-subjective contexts. That is the systematically most important point here.

    It is ok to say, the paintings of my wife express the highest truths since this does not collide with any widely accepted standards about truth.

    It is not ok if person x expects from others that they accept whatever sex person x declares to have because there are publicly accepted objective criteria that define what that word sex means.

  65. @Deckin
    作者严重低估了维特根斯坦论证的力量。

    关键不仅在于一种私人语言,缺乏公共检查来维持“固定性”是站不住脚的,因为私人语言的使用者总是可以随心所欲地改变含义——因此不可能有一个 语言,从某种意义上说,一种语言,顾名思义,是一种群体现象。

    维特根斯坦明确提出的更深层次的观点是,用户 他自己 永远无法确定他是否确实改变了含义。 那是因为用户对任何术语(他跟踪的方式)的唯一检查是记忆; 但是他会用什么来检查他的记忆呢? 如果没有公开检查他用来检查他不断变化的含义的记忆,他永远不会知道他在使用“N”这个词是什么——维特根斯坦的例子,因为指的是同一件事,不同的事情,或者坦率地说任何稳定的东西足以被命名。

    这是一个相当怀疑的巡回演出。

    回复:@Steve Sailer、@Reg Cæsar、@Right_On、@Dieter Kief、@Papinian

    The memory isn’t as bad as all that. Let’s say I now want to call a handle a “befret” instead. Not hard to do! And provided I don’t pile new words onto myself too quickly, I don’t see any problem maintaining an increasing numbers of these words, indefinitely. The memory isn’t super great, but it’s not totally impotent, either!

  66. Well, Mr Sailer, if you can force people to get a vaccine they really don’t want, you surely can force them to use any and all pronouns.

    Human nature really is malleable, and we are about to find out just how much.

  67. @Mr. Blank
    @Abolish_public_education

    像那么简单就好了。 我几乎因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    回复:@JackOH、@Hangnail Hans、@tyrone、@Stan d Mute

    Feel dirty?….try feeling like you are behind enemy lines ,a little “taqiya” may be in order…..good luck to you and the Mrs.

  68. @Achmed E. Newman
    @阿农

    I agree with Reg here. This cultural revoulution is part of the conquering and, in fact, a pretty good start. If people won't fight back the purposeful stupidity on these issues, they sure as hell ain't gonna fight when the Communist Feral government starts telling them to stay inside for a month as a personal LOCKDOWN for some trangression or another.

    America is full of pussies who are now masking up for Season 3 of the Flu Manchu PanicFest as I write. I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature. I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words "hysterical", "retarded", and "you ain't gonna die today, lady." That gas station didn't make a sale of 4 gallons, a cherry Coke, and a bag of Starburst gummies, let me tell you right now. I've been banned from 76.

    Replies: @El Dato, @tyrone, @Anonymous

    It’s always interesting to get a little slice of life…….. cherry coke?…..starburst gummies?….they didn’t have the extremely red hot dogs rotating in the broiler?

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
    @tyrone

    You'll always get a slice of ... somethin' from me here. No, there was a foyer of sorts in that store, so I didn't get in to see if they had the shrunken bright red hot dogs. ;-}

    I did find out recently that there are at least 5, FIVE, flavors of Moon Pies. I had no idea...

  69. @Bill H.
    @杰克

    In a discussion, my 45-yr-old liberal niece said that the dictionary meaning of "radical" (which I had cited) was not what she meant by her use of the word. I asked her what she intended the word to mean and she could not say, only that it was not what the dictionary said it was.

    回复:@Badger Down

    And nothing to do with radishes, roots, uprooting, ausrottung, and eradicating. Voi-voi (a Finnish sigh of despair).

  70. @Anon
    @阿农

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of "she/they." Huh? Which is it? Either? You don't care which?

    How do you get out of high school and through a Ph.D. program without learning English grammar?

    Possible preferred pronouns are:

    -- she/her or she/her/herself

    -- they/them or they/them/their/theirs/themself

    The idea is you choose a gender, he, she, or they, and then you decline out as much as you want from there; usually a single extra declension is enough to show the pattern. I think just saying he, she, or they is enough. In the beginning of this madness the idea was that people would choose made-up pronouns, but even the woke decided that was going too far. In that case you'd need the whole declension: xhe/xhem/xher/xhers/xhemsylf.

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Harry Baldwin, @Chrisnonymous

    If your good doctor is in the next room, would one say “They are in the next room.” or “They is in the next room.”?

  71. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If it didn't have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There's a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it's a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, "Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?" To which Wittgenstein replies, "Certainly."

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don't really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion's profile: you don't see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn't LOOK like a sandwich, and we can't say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the "male" profile claiming to fit the "female" profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Anonymous, @res, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    human beings are predators,

    引文需要。

  72. @Herp McDerp
    @notbe

    ishi was speaking a language that had internal rules that ishi had to follow when speaking it
    ishi wasnt making up his own rules when speaking yana


    Wait. Wasn't a key element of Wittgenstein’s argument that someone with a private language 可以 make up his own rules, which would invalidate it?

    Or maybe Ishi 做了 make up his own rules, and Ishi's private Yana was different from "pure" Yana. Would that affect the answer to the question? And how would we ever know?

    回复:@notbe

    we would never know if a sole surviving speaker of an undocumented language that has only distant linquistic relatives is making up his rules but i would say its unlikely-usually sole survivivors are either old or middle aged, they been speaking that language with deceased relatives and friends for a long time

    in ishis case, its unlikely he would suddenly develop new rules of grammar, word meanings, new vocabulary like transpeople do when suddenly they want to be referred as “xir” or whatever those nutscases currently use as their form of adress

    an equivalent might be the last speaker of english, he or she would say “I am speaking english, which is a language that i am the last speaker of” instead of “Xir spoke Ing, lang xir ended talk talk”

    ishis belief system and technology was verified by anthropologist as similar to related surviving california indians- ishi did not develop new ways of discussing the universe, taboos, or a new way of constructing a bow and arrow instead his beliefs and technological know how were in the milleu of california native groups thus again its unlikely that ishsis language was developed by him but rather he was speaking a language which predated him

    correct me if im wrong but anthropologists thought ishsis language was similar to the languages of related indians thus ishi was probably not speaking his own made up language- in fact, i think, anthropologists could communicate with ishi initially by using related native languages

    I think wittengenstein was discussing a hypothetical case-my understanding is that he thought that a case of someone making his or xers own language rules then forcing everyone to comply was too ridicilous to actually be possible welcome to western civilization in the 21st century

  73. @El Dato
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    You shouldn't eat ultra-processed "food".

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    El Dato, it was on a family road trip*, and my kid gets those treats only on occasion. The Cherry Coke was for me to keep awake for another couple of hundred miles.

    You are quite right to put “food” in scare quotes.

    I picked up enough material for 10 blog posts already on this trip. Holy crap, I had no idea some parts of the country are freaked out again. There’s a reason I have to hold on the details for a while.

    .

    * So the “Spirit of ’76 gas station banning was not a big deal. Down the road I go … [/old CCR]

  74. @Herp McDerp
    @阿农

    How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    这个!

    Perhaps I'm just a coward, but when talking and writing about third parties I don't use pronouns if there's any degree of ambiguity or or uncertainty, or if I disagree with 那个人* about gender or sexual identity. There are alternatives, including the person's name, job title, or substitutions like "that idiot."

    The Woke are litigious, and it gives them a sense of power to ruin other people's lives.

    -----------------------------
    *There, for example.

    回复:@Dr。 毁灭战士

    Perhaps I’m just a coward, but when talking and writing about third parties I don’t use pronouns if there’s any degree of ambiguity or or uncertainty, or if I disagree with that person* about gender or sexual identity.

    No, this is the only practical solution. It is not my job to recall the inner thoughts and identify of every person on this planet. I can only reasonably expect to known perhaps a few dozen people at a significantly personal level, and perhaps a couple hundred by name.

    Pronouns encode information that should be obvious without detailed knowledge, for example who is being referred to, singular vs. plural and gender. If one of these, for example gender is 不明显, then a pronoun is inappropriate because it will not serve it’s purpose.

    The deeper question is regulation of language by authoritarian design rather than by organic evolutionary emergence. Authoritarian design undercuts the natural feedback mechanisms that determine if a language change survives the test of fitness for purpose. Since authoritarian constructs cannot evolve, they can be killed by environmental changes.

    IMO, a passive resistance will be the most effective resistance to the authority. We are already seeing the asinine xhe dissapear.

  75. @Anon
    @红丸天使


    维特根斯坦是犹太人,但在维也纳的一个富丽堂皇的家中成长为天主教徒。
     
    维特根斯坦的母亲是外邦人,他的外祖母是外邦人。 维特根斯坦不是犹太人。

    回复:@Steve Sailer,@Red Pill Angel

    You are correct. I should have been more precise.

  76. @Colin Wright
    @杰克

    'I gather the shoe has been on the other foot for some time. Instead of racism, homophobia, misogyny and what-not, we ought to be talking calmly about anti-White racism, heterophobia, misandry. Abetted, of course, by law, bovine popular opinion, and Big Business, the last of which sees advantage in dissolving traditionalist-conservative patterns of thought and behavior.'

    我认为这仍然没有抓住重点。

    You're still seeking -- at least implicitly -- some sort of equitable solution.

    Nah, That's not how it works. They've started a war. You can lose, or you can win.

    回复:@JackOH

    You’re right, of course, but I think for the smalltime dissenter, with neither muscle nor money in his favor, the better part of valor is to adopt a “naive/9th grade civics” attitude. Assume that a policy that sticks in your craw is a consequence of honest error or unintentional oversight, and that opinion leaders will welcome reasoned dissent.

    Maintaining that “naive” pose can be a real stressor when it becomes more and more clear our opinion leaders want reasoned dissenters to shut the fuck up, or channel their thoughts into controlled opposition: Dem and Repub factions, bureaucratized interest groups, .

    但是,再一次,作为一般规则,我们的霸主可以接受他们试图将其描述为双赢的零和政治。

  77. @Steve Sailer
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)

    《国家评论》在 1970 年代发表了一篇关于维特根斯坦的怪癖的文章,这些文章引人瞩目。

    回复:@ slumber_j,@黑海

    由于拍摄对象的个人怪癖、令人难以置信的生活环境和游手好闲的倾向,雷蒙克的 路德维希·维特根斯坦:天才的责任 是一本难得的学术哲学家传记,你真的很想通读一遍。 我强烈推荐它。

    无论如何,前几天我在对您关于物种是否存在的帖子的评论中提到了维特根斯坦对语言的一些担忧。 很抱歉引用我自己的话,但我认为这在这里也很重要:

    表达的实用性确实是维特根斯坦作品的核心,而人性混淆表达和所指对象的倾向是他最关心的问题之一,我认为这里更相关。 物种是否存在是一个与我们如何使用这个词的关系比其他任何事情都重要的问题:与以往一样,语言是一种社会习俗。

    自上而下地坚持告诉我们哪些词可能意味着或可能不意味着什么,这必然是无稽之谈。 直到最近,大多数英语国家至少隐含地理解这一点,这就是为什么(与法语或西班牙语不同)我们缺乏一个学院来决定单词的含义。 我们有 OED 或其他任何东西可以为我们指明正确的方向,但这不是规定性的。 顺便说一下,英国普通法在法律上与此类似,我从未见过讨论过这一事实,但可能我只是无知。

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
    @slumber_j

    “表达的效用......”是的,这是正确的。

    从我对维特根斯坦(XNUMX 年前)的阅读中,我记得年轻时他试图发现语言的绝对基础和规律。 最终,他深深地陷入了这种不可能的努力中,以至于他放弃了这个项目。 维特根斯坦的维也纳(一本书的书名)也是弗洛伊德主义的基础,也是在亚原子粒子物理学领域取得革命性进步的科学家们的智力重心。 语言被要求做一些它原本不打算做的事情,而且它似乎也没有完全适应这些事情。

    在英格兰,伯特兰·罗素 (Bertrand Russell) 也受到了类似的启发,但采取了不同的策略,他的分析方法试图将语言建立在绝对明确含义的基本单位上,该单位将通过严格的法律组装成更全面的短语、句子、段落等

    所有这些都失败了。 在维特根斯坦后来的著作中,他说语言不是一个单一的东西,而是任何使用它的群体的产物。 因此,例如,让我们看看以下三个表达式:

    “嘿!这里泥泞多了。”

    “你眼睛里进了泥。”

    “打断一条腿。”

    现在,对在下面搅拌灰浆的学徒大吼大叫的泥瓦匠大师并不是真的要求学徒向他扔泥巴。 如果学徒那样做,他很快就会发现,当我们人类说话时,我们不会按字面意思说话。 不,泥瓦匠想要的是一种非常特殊的“泥”,具有恰到好处的稠度,并由恰到好处的沙子、水泥和水比例制成。 没有如果,和或但是。 “否则你会出事的!”

    当我们在酒吧里向陌生人敬酒时说“你眼中有泥”,如果我们真的向他扔泥土,他会非常惊讶。 如果我们真的按照我们说的去做,我们可能会在回家时嘴里的牙齿更少。

    当然,当我们鼓励其他演员“打断一条腿”时,我们并不是指字面上的意思。 这意味着,去破产然后把他们打死。

    “把他们打死”!!!???

    你看? 我们无法摆脱它。 语言不能被简化为由一组规则绑定在一起的单一清晰、明确含义的词。 单词的含义会根据不同群体及其特定上下文中的使用方式而改变。 没有一套规则可以让我们破译所有这些词的含义的派生词。 如果我们试图为一个词规定一种方式或一种含义,那么所有的颜色都会从我们的语言中消失。 丰富,质地会消失。

    由于上述原因,语言不仅仅是关于所指对象。 这是关于属于一个群体。 从字面上理解上述任何一项的人将证明他们不是成员。 他们会患有自闭症或阿斯伯格综合症(史蒂夫的见解),并且可能会被转介到人力资源部门进行审查。 因此,以当地传统方式使用语言使我们成为独特群体的成员。 而这正是本案正在考虑的问题。 变性人、性别模糊的人及其支持者正在为他们的群体成员布置语言的使用。 如果你不遵守,那么你就不是会员。 同时,他们表明他们不在乎属于您的团队。

  78. 主要针对作者:

    有一种来自右翼、中右翼甚至不时来自中左翼的争论,它对我的​​唯一影响就是让我感到沮丧。

    沮丧有两个因素。 一是辩方的傲慢和恶意,二是辩方无意识的幼稚。

    做一个几乎过于生硬的类比:

    人们注意到人们——很多人——正在死亡。 死亡和死亡——这种情况一直在发生。 人们耸耸肩,悲痛地问:“这是怎么回事,为什么会这样? 为什么突然死了这么多人?

    然后,由一位能言善辩的领导人领导的一个小团体——可怜的小团体指出:“这个暴徒——这个暴徒和他的团伙,在每个人的视线中,不断向人们开枪。 这就是人们死亡的原因!”

    这个论点是无可争议的,无懈可击的,它是显而易见的,也是最真实的。

    然后暴徒继续无视可怜的小团体,并在所有人的视线中 – 枪杀了更多人。

    可怜的团体舔他们的伤口——回到他们的编辑委员会,写更多的文章,制作更多的播客——下一次争论—— 更难.

    暴徒和他的帮派——他们不争论也不回答指控。 他们—— 所有人都在默默地看着正确地 将可怜的说话者和注意者解释为软弱。

    这一直是重点。

  79. @Mr. Blank

    ...nothing less than the legal sanctioning of a new priest class of magical people who speak all of reality into existence, and then the rest of society who must simply obey.
     
    That, of course, is the whole point of the exercise, whether the people insisting on it are consciously aware of it or not. It's a way for these people to indulge their will to power, backed up with the full might of the law.

    回复:@stillCARealist

    That’s a really good point. Imagine being that mentally ill and confused. You’re not sure what’s wrong with you, you really want to be a boy or a girl but God made you what you physically are. Who do you rail against?

    Now these broken people finally have a feeling of some power within. “I can declare my gender and so be it! Fiat girl! or Fiat boy!”

    我猜你们会像神一样。 每一个膝盖都要鞠躬,每一个舌头都承认你确实是异性。

  80. @Anon
    @阿农

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of "she/they." Huh? Which is it? Either? You don't care which?

    How do you get out of high school and through a Ph.D. program without learning English grammar?

    Possible preferred pronouns are:

    -- she/her or she/her/herself

    -- they/them or they/them/their/theirs/themself

    The idea is you choose a gender, he, she, or they, and then you decline out as much as you want from there; usually a single extra declension is enough to show the pattern. I think just saying he, she, or they is enough. In the beginning of this madness the idea was that people would choose made-up pronouns, but even the woke decided that was going too far. In that case you'd need the whole declension: xhe/xhem/xher/xhers/xhemsylf.

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Harry Baldwin, @Chrisnonymous

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of “she/they.”

    Perhaps she’s making a mockery of the whole thing. (We can hope.)

  81. @International Jew
    @阿农

    Taking umbrage on behalf of third persons is what it's all about. Same as when one white person corrects another white person over saying 爱斯基摩 or 霍滕托特.

    至于 你, of course that's trouble-free in English since there's only one term for it. Certain other languages offer more opportunities for the language police. Hebrew does have masculine and feminine forms for 你。 In Russian, past tense verbs are gendered and so are all adjectives. In Hebrew (and Arabic actually), practically everything is gendered — adjectives, verbs in first second and third person in all tenses, adjectives, and of course the (two) words for 美味. Fortunately, wokeness hasn't gained much traction in either Russia or Israel.

    回复:@stillCARealist

    Is this the problem with English? No gender to our grammar? Where the heck did that come from anyway? Why does language need gender?

    That was four questions. I’d appreciate four succinct answers, thank you. No more, no less.

    • 哈哈: Cortes
  82. @Anon
    @阿农

    I saw a Twitter account today from a female anthro Ph.D. with preferred pronouns of "she/they." Huh? Which is it? Either? You don't care which?

    How do you get out of high school and through a Ph.D. program without learning English grammar?

    Possible preferred pronouns are:

    -- she/her or she/her/herself

    -- they/them or they/them/their/theirs/themself

    The idea is you choose a gender, he, she, or they, and then you decline out as much as you want from there; usually a single extra declension is enough to show the pattern. I think just saying he, she, or they is enough. In the beginning of this madness the idea was that people would choose made-up pronouns, but even the woke decided that was going too far. In that case you'd need the whole declension: xhe/xhem/xher/xhers/xhemsylf.

    Replies: @Badger Down, @Harry Baldwin, @Chrisnonymous

    Why are you forcing her into the binary of using/not-using, choosing/not-choosing, having/not-having? Obviously, she is free! Free from people, but free to make demands on people! Wittgenstein was an oppressor!

  83. @Steve Sailer
    @艾尔·达托(El Dato)

    《国家评论》在 1970 年代发表了一篇关于维特根斯坦的怪癖的文章,这些文章引人瞩目。

    回复:@ slumber_j,@黑海

    The Austrian writer Thomas Bernhard wrote a memoir/novel about his friendship with Wittgenstein’s nephew. As Bernhard describes it, he ultimately succumbed to the periodic bouts of mental illness which afflicted him. Bernhard, no beacon of happiness himself, renders this progression in unsparing detail. Well worth the time, if you’re feeling overly chipper.

    Quotation below:

    “Seen from across the street, he was like someone to whom the world had long since given notice to quit but who was compelled to stay in it, no longer belonging to it, but unable to leave it.”
    ― Thomas Bernhard, Wittgenstein’s Nephew

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @黑海

    I love (love) two books by Thomas Bernhard (and one play: Histrionics ) Wittgenstein's Nephew and The Cheap Eaters.

  84. @El Dato
    @阿农

    Why not look for love in unexpected places instead?

    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates


    Police in Virginia have classified Chris Chan, 39, as female because he says he’s a trans woman, but he is biologically male and has allegedly admitted to raping his mother, 79, who suffers from dementia. We live in a sick world.
     
    沉默就是暴力。
    Sickness is Progress.
    Rolling immigro-trucks are pension security.
    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!

    回复:@ Anonymous,@ Anon

    If they ever remake Silence of the Lambs would Hannibal Lecter be played as a Tranny?
    And presumably be locked up in a women’s prison?

  85. @Dieter Kief

    这种虚假的“权利”主张实际上构成了对绝大多数日常语言使用者和公民的严重侵犯权利,并对协调自由、繁荣和繁荣的基本公共产品所必需的一套共享的社会和语言实践造成了无法弥补的损害。维护真理的社会。

    允许这种虚假权利主张膨胀而不受积极权利主张水平的反对的社会和政治后果,最终编入实际的国家强制法律中(正如加拿大的 C-16 法案和很快将与美国的平等法案一样) ) 将无异于对新的牧师阶层的法律制裁,他们将所有现实变为现实,然后是社会其他人,他们必须简单地服从。

     

    1) 这些是关于语言的精确评论。

    2) 语言是一项集体成就,是实现共同利益的好榜样。

    3)因此,滥用它是公地悲剧的一个很好的例子。

    回复:@kaganovitch

    1) 这些是关于语言的精确评论。

    2) 语言是一项集体成就,是实现共同利益的好榜样。

    3)因此,滥用它是公地悲剧的一个很好的例子。

    卡尔·克劳斯 (Karl Kraus) 以支持语言精确必不可少的观点而闻名,而不精确预示着文明的衰落 “denn hätten die Leute、die dazu verpflichtet sind、immer darauf geachtet、daß die Beistriche am richtigen Platz stehen,所以 würde Shanghai nicht brennen。” =“因为如果负责照顾逗号的人始终确保它们在正确的位置,上海就不会燃烧'。 (这是1932年日军轰炸上海时写的。)

    • 哈哈: Johann Ricke
    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch

    有一个交叉路口 - 一个十字路口 - 卡尔克劳斯在那里遇到了墨菲斯托,并决定闭上眼睛专注于完美的句子。 多年来,他写了数万(!)页。 所以是的,他的策略对他来说是有意义的,因为他的生活就是写作和阅读(也为一群(有时数百名)听众朗读,他是维也纳名副其实的明星)而不是别的,从某个时刻开始.
    因此,他变得越来越专业,并且——被他消化和——写下的大量单词所蒙蔽。 这导致他的许多崇拜者误入歧途——他们甚至反对他:哲学上的敌人布洛赫和阿多诺、沃尔特·本杰明、埃利亚斯·卡内蒂——

    克劳斯的美国崇拜者甚至写了一本关于他的克劳斯激情的小书是乔纳森弗兰岑,在我回到弗兰岑之前,让我从一个稍微不同的角度来表达克劳斯现象:克劳斯厌恶其中一个最有趣和最迷人的德语作家 - 伟大的散文家(和诙谐的诗人,如果有点松散)海因里希海涅。 现在 - 弗兰岑和克劳斯一起反对海涅。 - 这是一个错误 - 事后看来 - 只能由 - - 我们在德国南部称之为 - - 犀牛。


    长话短说:克劳斯不了解(任何)语言的深层社会性质,因此将其误解为一种物理装置。 - 如果语言确实是一种物理装置,克劳斯(和犀牛弗兰岑)是对的。 由于语言完全是一种社会事物,海因里希·海涅在战场上 - - - 他所有死后的敌人 - - - 被海涅顽皮的天才 - 和他超然的 - - 笑声所消灭。 - - - -

    PS
    本机,伍迪·格思里(Woody Guthrie)吉他上的贴纸以同样的精神读了一段时间: 杀死法西斯分子 - - - - -

    回复:@kaganovitch

  86. @black sea
    @史蒂夫·塞勒

    The Austrian writer Thomas Bernhard wrote a memoir/novel about his friendship with Wittgenstein's nephew. As Bernhard describes it, he ultimately succumbed to the periodic bouts of mental illness which afflicted him. Bernhard, no beacon of happiness himself, renders this progression in unsparing detail. Well worth the time, if you're feeling overly chipper.

    Quotation below:


    “Seen from across the street, he was like someone to whom the world had long since given notice to quit but who was compelled to stay in it, no longer belonging to it, but unable to leave it.”
    ― Thomas Bernhard, Wittgenstein's Nephew
     

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    I love (love) two books by Thomas Bernhard (and one play: Histrionics ) Wittgenstein’s Nephew and The Cheap Eaters.

  87. @Anon
    @Abolish_public_education

    Why are the preferred pronouns in the third person? Seems that the most important pronoun is second person - you. How can anyone correct your use of third person pronouns if you’re not talking to him? (See what I did there?)

    Replies: @Herp McDerp, @International Jew, @Anon, @VivaLaMigra

    Yes, I see. The pronouns “he/him/his” have ALWAYS been the accepted, and indeed preferrred, ones when the speaker is referring to an individual unknown, or hypothetical. The use of “they” and its objective and possessive forms is non grammatical when used to refer to just ONE person. In this context, “he” is not sexist, anymore than “they” is sexist when used for a group of people. In fact, the word “they” is the relative pronoun used for multiple OBJECTS, not just people; ie. it’s the plural of “it” as well as “he” or “she.” Use of an accepted SINGULAR pronoun aids clear speaking and comprehension. English uses the “masculine” form of the singular third person pronoun in this context, and it’s not unique in that usage. It’s illustrative that English speakers are now attempting to change OTHER languages, which is not their place or their right. The most obvious example is the attempted forcing of the made-up Spanish word “Latinx” in place of “Latino” for a mixed-gender group of “Hispanic” [itself a made-up term] people. Spanish speakers are actually outraged over this, and they’re right to be. They consider their native language part of their culture. We English [ok, AMERICAN English] speakers should do the same, and defend our grammatical rules.

  88. @Triteleia Laxa
    文章中的论点非常好,但带走酒鬼的酒无济于事,你必须, 至少,给他们一个合适的替代品,同样满足他们的需求。

    回复:@Art Deco

    不,你需要拿走他的酒。 他有责任在没有它的情况下运作,这是绝大多数人所做的。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    “绝大多数”有他们自己特定类型的酒,你也是。

    “责任”是一个有用的概念,直到有人无法承担它,当它被粉碎成纯粹的道德吹毛求疵时。

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    这些观察结果是“好”、“坏”、“公平”、“理性”、“逻辑”、“道德”还是 不是,他们是真的。 和他们一起做你想做的事。

    回复:@Art Deco

  89. It is interesting to me that “preferred pronouns” are third-person. Thus the party with the preferred pronoun is not demanding how people talk to them, but demanding how third persons talk about them.

  90. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you need to take away his booze. It's his responsibility to function without it, something the vast majority do.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    The “vast majority” have their own particular type of booze, as do you.

    “Responsibility” is a useful concept, until someone can’t bare it, when it is shattered into mere moral carping.

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    Whether these observations are “good”, “bad”, “fair”, “rational”, “logical”, “moral” or 不是,他们是真的。 和他们一起做你想做的事。

    • 同意: El Dato
    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    You're likely to fail no matter what you do. No, 'understanding' won't help you or them. If they feel pain, it might help or it might not.

    Years ago, I had a conversation with a social worker whose job it was to attempt to straighten out alcoholics. He tells me he has two allies in his job: 'banks, and the criminal justice system. Banks - they don't care about your problems, they just want their money. And the criminal justice system, for all its problems, has one virtue. Once it gets you in its maw, it just keeps coming after you and after you until it is DONE with you". His view was his clients live every day in a fog of lies they tell themselves and these are two forces bringing them back to reality.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  91. @Dumbo
    @细菌的疾病理论

    No need to overthink it. Deep down, even transgenders know that they are not "real women". Or they wouldn't be called "trans"-genders. It's all about forcing anomalies and cognitive dissonance on others. The same cognitive dissonance they likely feel. Like with hot dogs, someone who has or had a "sausage" at birth, is not a "woman". They may identify as they wish but that won't change biology.

    回复:@VivaLaMigra

    “They [sic] may identify as they [sic] wish but that won’t change biology.”

    Um, you just fell into theSnowflakes’ trap of using “they” to refer to a single individual, and one with a “sausage” to boot; ie. a male. So, the proper construction of your final sentence would be “He may identify as he 希望es but that won’t change biology.” Note that the antecedent of the pronoun in the final sentence is “someone” from the phrase in the preceding sentence “someone who has or had a ‘sausage’ at birth….” In that sentence, you have ONE person, ie. “some一种.” You have [see what I did there?] paired with a singular “sausage” at the time of 他的 birth. These pronouns which clarify the GENDER of the hypothetical person in question make the whole construction more precise. We don’t know the exact individual to whom we’re referrring, but we DO know he was born with a penis and is therefore male.

  92. Teacher of mathematics: “Suppose that x is the number of sheep in the pen”.

    Student of Wittgenstein: “Suppose that x is not the number of sheep.”

  93. @Anonymous
    @西蒙

    这是一个合理的论点,我相信许多正派和聪明的人会发现它令人信服。
    但我们这个时代的事实是,今天提出此类要求的人并不是让他们成为孤立的疯子,而是将自己的疯癫视为与历史的道德潮流保持一致的人。 然而,困惑的人所认为的自由和道德进步是日益增长的极权主义和邪恶。
    我认为我们这个时代需要的是立即谴责。
    你被要求撒谎。
    你被要求以一种直接或间接助长道德邪恶的方式撒谎。
    任何担心他人如何看待自己性别的人都是可以挽救的。
    他们并不完全相信绝对的胡说八道。
    你通过包容他们来伤害他们。
    但当然,我们必须选择我们的战斗,而“更大”的道德问题是你在伤害他人。
    你正在伤害无知的年轻男女,他们可能会觉得废话的吸引力,以此来证明他们在一个越来越向大多数人隐藏意义的世界中的存在。
    而且你正在伤害更多理智的男人和女人,尽管他们可能不会在内部完全将男性或女性视为他们本质的内在特征,因此可能会在努力成为最好的男人或女人时动摇。

    不要告诉我说谎。
    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

    回复:@VivaLaMigra、@njguy73

    But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives his or her [[sic] lunacy

    May I suggest that a far more fluent construction would be: ” But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives 那些 lunacy….” The use of the indefinite pronoun “one” eliminates the very clumsy, and utterly unnecessary, “his or her.” The use of the pronoun “his” in this context has been accepted, and grammatically correct, for centuries. We don’t know the specific gender of this hypothetical person, but we do know we’re discussing ONE person and the singular pronoun “his” suffices. CONTEXT matters in language. Any literate speaker of English is taught to accept that “his” isn’t gender specific in this usage; it’s the singular form that’s significant to the meaning of the phrase.

    • 回复: @Eagle Eye
    @VivaLaMigra


    The use of the indefinite pronoun “one” eliminates the ... unnecessary, “his or her.”
     
    NO. It is not at all clear - particularly in this context - that the writer meant to blend the meanings of "his" and "her" into a collective term, and one occurrence of "or her" is hardly "clumsy."

    More seriously, "one's" introduces an avoidable ambiguity in that "one" is also used as a euphemism for "I." "One's lunacy" could thus refer to the lunacy of the listener. Readers would have to resort to contextual clues to resolve the ambiguity - precisely what clear writing should avoid.

    Feminists and many others misunderstand the grammatical gender system in English. "She/her/hers" is used to refer to a female, in the singular only. "He/him/his" similarly refers exclusively to a male, again in the singular only. English does not have a plural pronoun to refers to a group of males only, or of females only.

  94. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If it didn't have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There's a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it's a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, "Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?" To which Wittgenstein replies, "Certainly."

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don't really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion's profile: you don't see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn't LOOK like a sandwich, and we can't say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the "male" profile claiming to fit the "female" profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Anonymous, @res, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Pretty much an encapsulation of The Current Year.

  95. @Abolish_public_education
    不要纵容白痴。

    当有人纠正您使用他们喜欢的代词时,请告诉他们闭嘴。

    回复:@Yawrate,@Mr。 空白,@Desiderius,@Anon,@notbe,@El Dato,@Forbes

    Isn’t the answer to just use their name–and skip the pronoun nonsense.

  96. Never read Wittgenstein, but this is perfect. Not just about philosophy either, but everything.

    According to Wittgenstein, philosophical problems arise when language is forced from its proper home into a metaphysical environment, where all the familiar and necessary landmarks and contextual clues are removed. He describes this metaphysical environment as like being on frictionless ice: where the conditions are apparently perfect for a philosophically and logically perfect language, all philosophical problems can be solved without the muddying effects of everyday contexts; but where, precisely because of the lack of friction, language can in fact do no work at all. Wittgenstein argues that philosophers must leave the frictionless ice and return to the “rough ground” of ordinary language in use. Much of the Investigations consists of examples of how the first false steps can be avoided, so that philosophical problems are dissolved, rather than solved: “The clarity we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this simply means that the philosophical problems should completely disappear.”

    • 回复: @El Dato
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This is even found in Mathematics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitism

    and the tension between classical logic (a bizarre idealistic constraction admitting to dubious procedures like proof by contradiction) and constructive logic ("show me a concrete structure before I believe your proof")

  97. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If it didn't have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There's a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it's a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, "Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?" To which Wittgenstein replies, "Certainly."

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don't really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion's profile: you don't see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn't LOOK like a sandwich, and we can't say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the "male" profile claiming to fit the "female" profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Anonymous, @res, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    When a typical human sees an individual who fits the “male” profile claiming to fit the “female” profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress.

    No cognitive dissonance here–it causes me to see and think, “freak.” Possibly, “insane freak.” And more than likely, “insane, in need of mental health help or therapy.”

    The ‘trans’ are seriously troubled people who are not helped by our participation in their charade of self-deception.

  98. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    If it didn't have such catastrophic consequences, the whole thing would remind me of the old philosophy joke about whether a hot dog is a sandwich or not. There's a funny cartoon about two philosophers sitting in front of a hot dog, arguing about whether it's a sandwich. Wittgenstein walks into the room, and one of them asks, "Wittgenstein, will you please hand me that sandwich?" To which Wittgenstein replies, "Certainly."

    The assertion being that language is determined by usage, not by intrinsic meaning, or even necessarily by common convention.

    Personally I think such arguments fail (or don't really fail, simply are not relevant) because they are divorced from anthropology: human beings are predators, and predators have parts of their brains which operate by recognizing profiles. A lion hunts a gazelle because it fits the lion's profile: you don't see a lion attacking a tree. A hot dog is a piece of meat between two pieces of bread, so technically it is a sandwich, but it just doesn't LOOK like a sandwich, and we can't say why.

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the "male" profile claiming to fit the "female" profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @Anonymous, @res, @Forbes, @Triteleia Laxa

    This is one of the problems of the whole transgender issue. Human beings have separate profiles for men and women which are a biological fact of their brains, and you cannot wish it away just by hectoring people enough. When a typical human sees an individual who fits the “male” profile claiming to fit the “female” profile, it causes cognitive dissonance and distress. Trans people seem to think only of their own interests, and not the discomfort they cause their fellow human beings: they are all about rights, and no responsibilities.

    So close, but then you hid the realisation behind abstractions.

    , seeing other people in pain does hurt. This makes it yours, in fact. How do you acknowledge this?

  99. @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    1) 这些是关于语言的精确评论。

    2) 语言是一项集体成就,是实现共同利益的好榜样。

    3)因此,滥用它是公地悲剧的一个很好的例子。

    卡尔·克劳斯 (Karl Kraus) 以支持语言精确必不可少的观点而闻名,而不精确预示着文明的衰落 "denn hätten die Leute, die dazu verpflichtet sind, immer darauf geachtet, daß die Beistriche am richtigen Platz stehen, so würde Shanghai nicht brennen.“ = " for if those charged to look after commas had always ensured they were in the right place, Shanghai would not be burning'. (That was written during the 1932 bombardment of Shanghai by the Japanese.)

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    There is a junction – a CROSSROADS – where Karl Kraus met Mephisto and decided to close his eyes and concentrate on perfect sentences. He wrote tens of thousands (!) of pages over the years. So yes, his strategy made sense for him, because his life was writing and reading (reading to a crowd of (hundreds at times) of listeners too, he was a veritable star in Vienna) and not much else, from a certain point on.
    Thus he became ever more specialized and – blinded by the sheer number of words he digested and – – -wrote down. This led many of his admirers astray and – they even turned against him: The philosophical enemies Bloch and Adorno, Walter Benjamin, Elias Canetti – – –

    The one US-admirer of Kraus who even wrote a little book about his Kraus-passion is Jonathan Franzen and – – – – let me express the Kraus – phenomenon from a slightly different angle before I come back to Franzen: Kraus loathed one of the most playful and charming writers of German – the great essayist (and witty if a bit loose poet) Heinrich Heine. Now – Franzen turned against Heine with Kraus. – That is a mistake that – in the light of hindsight – can only be made by – – – what we in southern Germany call – – – a rhino.

    Long story short: Kraus does not understand the deeply social nature of (any) language and thus misunderstands it as a physical apparatus. – If language was indeed a physical apparatus, Kraus (and the rhino Franzen) would be right. Since language is a social thing altogehter, Heinrich Heine is on the battlefield and – – – – all his posthumous enemies – – – are annihilated by Heine’s playful genius – and his transcendental – – – laughter. – – – –

    PS
    本机, a sticker on Woody Guthrie’s guitar read for some time in the same spirit: 杀死法西斯分子 - - - - -

    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    长话短说:克劳斯不了解(任何)语言的深层社会性质,因此将其误解为一种物理装置。 – 如果语言确实是一种物理装置,克劳斯(和犀牛弗兰岑)是对的。 由于语言完全是一种社会事物,因此海因里希·海涅(Heinrich Heine)在战场上——————他所有死后的敌人——————都被海涅顽皮的天才——以及他超然的————笑声所消灭。 —— —— —— ——

    说得很好。 阅读克劳斯确实是惊人的,他的语言概念是多么柏拉图主义/伯克利主义。 也就是说,我喜欢阅读辩论,他是一位真正有才华的辩论家。 绝对的纯毒天赋。

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  100. @Triteleia Laxa
    Never read Wittgenstein, but this is perfect. Not just about philosophy either, but everything.

    According to Wittgenstein, philosophical problems arise when language is forced from its proper home into a metaphysical environment, where all the familiar and necessary landmarks and contextual clues are removed. He describes this metaphysical environment as like being on frictionless ice: where the conditions are apparently perfect for a philosophically and logically perfect language, all philosophical problems can be solved without the muddying effects of everyday contexts; but where, precisely because of the lack of friction, language can in fact do no work at all. Wittgenstein argues that philosophers must leave the frictionless ice and return to the "rough ground" of ordinary language in use. Much of the Investigations consists of examples of how the first false steps can be avoided, so that philosophical problems are dissolved, rather than solved: "The clarity we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this simply means that the philosophical problems should completely disappear."

    回复:@El Dato

    This is even found in Mathematics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitism

    and the tension between classical logic (a bizarre idealistic constraction admitting to dubious procedures like proof by contradiction) and constructive logic (“show me a concrete structure before I believe your proof”)

    • 谢谢: Triteleia Laxa
  101. @El Dato
    @阿农

    Why not look for love in unexpected places instead?

    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates


    Police in Virginia have classified Chris Chan, 39, as female because he says he’s a trans woman, but he is biologically male and has allegedly admitted to raping his mother, 79, who suffers from dementia. We live in a sick world.
     
    沉默就是暴力。
    Sickness is Progress.
    Rolling immigro-trucks are pension security.
    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!

    回复:@ Anonymous,@ Anon

    It beggars belief that a trans YouTube star, arrested for allegedly raping his own mother, will be jailed with women inmates

    Female convicts don’t need you to look out for them. They have—or will have—plenty of support from elsewhere.

    You are needed at the border.

    Bronze Age Pervert has been banned from Twitter.
    PayPal gives your purchasing history to the ADL.
    Embrace the dieversity!

    One of BAP’s last tweets before he was banned permanently advocated for a singular focus on immigration and repatriation.

  102. Wittgenstein says we can’t have a private language because whatever seems correct will be correct, since no-one will be able to correct our incorrect application of a term. But what about if there were two people, or a community of people? Isn’t it possible that they might all misremember? The difference appears to me to be one of degree and not of kind.

    Wittgenstein might be thinking of a theory of language that identifies meanings with inner mental states, “lion” means our image of a lion, and so on. If so its a straw man since no philosopher who took the problem of the nature of meaning seriously argued for that.

  103. @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch

    有一个交叉路口 - 一个十字路口 - 卡尔克劳斯在那里遇到了墨菲斯托,并决定闭上眼睛专注于完美的句子。 多年来,他写了数万(!)页。 所以是的,他的策略对他来说是有意义的,因为他的生活就是写作和阅读(也为一群(有时数百名)听众朗读,他是维也纳名副其实的明星)而不是别的,从某个时刻开始.
    因此,他变得越来越专业,并且——被他消化和——写下的大量单词所蒙蔽。 这导致他的许多崇拜者误入歧途——他们甚至反对他:哲学上的敌人布洛赫和阿多诺、沃尔特·本杰明、埃利亚斯·卡内蒂——

    克劳斯的美国崇拜者甚至写了一本关于他的克劳斯激情的小书是乔纳森弗兰岑,在我回到弗兰岑之前,让我从一个稍微不同的角度来表达克劳斯现象:克劳斯厌恶其中一个最有趣和最迷人的德语作家 - 伟大的散文家(和诙谐的诗人,如果有点松散)海因里希海涅。 现在 - 弗兰岑和克劳斯一起反对海涅。 - 这是一个错误 - 事后看来 - 只能由 - - 我们在德国南部称之为 - - 犀牛。


    长话短说:克劳斯不了解(任何)语言的深层社会性质,因此将其误解为一种物理装置。 - 如果语言确实是一种物理装置,克劳斯(和犀牛弗兰岑)是对的。 由于语言完全是一种社会事物,海因里希·海涅在战场上 - - - 他所有死后的敌人 - - - 被海涅顽皮的天才 - 和他超然的 - - 笑声所消灭。 - - - -

    PS
    本机,伍迪·格思里(Woody Guthrie)吉他上的贴纸以同样的精神读了一段时间: 杀死法西斯分子 - - - - -

    回复:@kaganovitch

    长话短说:克劳斯不了解(任何)语言的深层社会性质,因此将其误解为一种物理装置。 – 如果语言确实是一种物理装置,克劳斯(和犀牛弗兰岑)是对的。 由于语言完全是一种社会事物,因此海因里希·海涅(Heinrich Heine)在战场上——————他所有死后的敌人——————都被海涅顽皮的天才——以及他超然的————笑声所消灭。 —— —— —— ——

    说得很好。 阅读克劳斯确实是惊人的,他的语言概念是多么柏拉图主义/伯克利主义。 也就是说,我喜欢阅读辩论,他是一位真正有才华的辩论家。 绝对的纯毒天赋。

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch


    (卡尔克劳斯是)绝对有纯毒的天赋。
     
    对。 叹。 但随着时间的推移,如果有人只是敲出自己的苦涩真相,什么都没有,那确实会有点无聊。 - 随着时间的推移意味着几十年。 这只是不容易 - 比方说 - 变老并保持生产力的方法。

    汉斯·马格努斯·恩岑斯伯格(Hans Magnus Enzensberger)——他非常优雅地绕过了向所有人证明他可以——一次又一次——看不起他们,使他们相形见绌,消灭他们的悬崖。 . . 1975 年以后发现。 他和他愤怒的同志们的这种态度完全有问题... 始终).
    当他终于过了七十岁时,他把这段经历写成了这个公式: Der Zorn Altt, die Ironie bleibt。 - 愤怒变老(替代 用德语双重编码,因为这不仅意味着变老,而且还有一种被他抛在后面的意味—— - - 当他变老时****) - 而讽刺是持续的。

    ***** 一个有趣的悖论,我想:变老让曾经叛逆的人明白,现在他老了——愤怒对他来说已经过时了。 当你变老时,你可以放下愤怒——这一切都是突然的 老年人 比你自己。 矛盾而有趣:不同尺度上的平行运动,让变老表现为存在的进步和收获。


    PS

    在赞美宇宙思维和天上的天才——小说家、哲学家、教育家、格言家和幽默家让·保罗时,卡尔·克劳斯正在走出自己的局限。 但他的赞美可能有点肤浅。 或者他想要以一种相当愤怒和有毒的方式行事的冲动太强烈了,不能被调低,更不用说被释放了。

    回复:@kaganovitch

  104. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    “绝大多数”有他们自己特定类型的酒,你也是。

    “责任”是一个有用的概念,直到有人无法承担它,当它被粉碎成纯粹的道德吹毛求疵时。

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    这些观察结果是“好”、“坏”、“公平”、“理性”、“逻辑”、“道德”还是 不是,他们是真的。 和他们一起做你想做的事。

    回复:@Art Deco

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    无论你做什么,你都可能会失败。 不,“理解”不会帮助你或他们。 如果他们感到疼痛,这可能有帮助,也可能没有。

    多年前,我与一位社会工作者进行了一次谈话,他的工作是试图纠正酗酒者的问题。 他告诉我,他的工作有两个盟友:‘银行和刑事司法系统。 银行——他们不关心你的问题,他们只想要他们的钱。 尽管存在所有问题,但刑事司法系统有一个优点。 一旦它让你进入它的喉咙,它就会一直跟着你,一直跟着你,直到它对你完成”。 他的观点是他的客户每天都生活在他们告诉自己的谎言的迷雾中,这两种力量将他们带回现实。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    虽然人们可以决定并学会减少他们给自己造成的痛苦,但如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那用处就非常有限。

    否则,对不起,直率,但我知道我说的是真的,即使它远非总是有效的,因此,我假设你和社工从来没有比他们更耐心地理解别人了解自己,但从未设法用它来善意地向他们介绍他们所缺少的东西,从而用意识来填补空白,而不是他们通常的酒精、性别意识形态等应对机制。

    回复:@Art Deco

  105. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你想让人们改变吗? 你需要给予他们比他们自己更多的理解,而不是防御性的判断主义,即使后者可以是一种有趣的发泄方式!

    You're likely to fail no matter what you do. No, 'understanding' won't help you or them. If they feel pain, it might help or it might not.

    Years ago, I had a conversation with a social worker whose job it was to attempt to straighten out alcoholics. He tells me he has two allies in his job: 'banks, and the criminal justice system. Banks - they don't care about your problems, they just want their money. And the criminal justice system, for all its problems, has one virtue. Once it gets you in its maw, it just keeps coming after you and after you until it is DONE with you". His view was his clients live every day in a fog of lies they tell themselves and these are two forces bringing them back to reality.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    虽然人们可以决定并学会减少他们给自己造成的痛苦,但如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那用处就非常有限。

    否则,对不起,直率,但我知道我说的是真的,即使它远非总是有效的,因此,我假设你和社工从来没有比他们更耐心地理解别人了解自己,但从未设法用它来善意地向他们介绍他们所缺少的东西,从而用意识来填补空白,而不是他们通常的酒精、性别意识形态等应对机制。

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那它的用途就非常有限。

    It's the only thing of much use.


    否则,对不起,我的直率,但我知道我说的是真的,

    你说的是假的。

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  106. @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    长话短说:克劳斯不了解(任何)语言的深层社会性质,因此将其误解为一种物理装置。 – 如果语言确实是一种物理装置,克劳斯(和犀牛弗兰岑)是对的。 由于语言完全是一种社会事物,因此海因里希·海涅(Heinrich Heine)在战场上——————他所有死后的敌人——————都被海涅顽皮的天才——以及他超然的————笑声所消灭。 —— —— —— ——

    说得很好。 阅读克劳斯确实是惊人的,他的语言概念是多么柏拉图主义/伯克利主义。 也就是说,我喜欢阅读辩论,他是一位真正有才华的辩论家。 绝对的纯毒天赋。

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    (卡尔克劳斯是)绝对有纯毒的天赋。

    Right. Sigh. But it does get a bit boring over time if somebody just hammers out his own bitter truths and nothing but. – Over time meaning over decades. It is just no – easy, let’s say – way to – get old and stay productive.

    Hans Magnus Enzensberger – who very elegantly circumvented the cliff of just proving to everybody that he can – time and time again – look down on them, dwarf them, annihilate them . . . found out in 1975 ff. that there is something completely wrong with this attitude of him and his – angry comrades… – – – and he then very elegantly shifted gears and became a more distant and – joyful even – writer (while remaining a critic – but not 始终).
    当他终于过了七十岁时,他把这段经历写成了这个公式: Der Zorn Altt, die Ironie bleibt。 – Rage gets older (替代 is double-coded in German, because it means not only older but has also an overtone of being left behind by him – – – while he is getting older****) – whereas irony lasts.

    ***** an interesting paradox, methinks: Getting older allowed the once rebellious man to understand that now that he is old – rage has gotten outdated for him. While getting old you are able to let rage behind – it is all of a sudden 老年人 than yourself. Paradoxical and funny: A parallel movement on different scales which lets getting old appear as existential progress and – gain.

    PS

    In praising the cosmic mind and sky-high genius – novelist, philosopher, pedagogue, aphorist & humorist Jean Paul, Karl Kraus was on the track out of his limitations. But his praise might have been a bit shallow. Or his urge to act in a rather raging and poisonous way was just too strong to be tuned down, let alone be released.

    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    对。 叹。 但随着时间的推移,如果有人只是敲出他自己的苦涩真相,那么它确实会变得有点无聊。

    As my German is somewhat limited and rusty I only read small doses of Kraus which is tolerable. I remember my late father obm - whose hardbound copies of die Fackel I inherited - when reading certain of Kraus's articles used to say "Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl !"

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  107. @Mr. Blank
    @Abolish_public_education

    像那么简单就好了。 我几乎因为拒绝听从别人喜欢的代词而丢掉工作。 如果我不能打出“病重的妻子”牌,我可能会失去它。 诉诸那个感觉很肮脏,但话说回来,我即将失业 在代词之上。

    回复:@JackOH、@Hangnail Hans、@tyrone、@Stan d Mute

    人们会希望,自这一集以来,您将工作产出和质量降低到平均平权行动 HR 或 DIE 工作者的水平,同时花所有可用时间寻找出口。

    如果没有,我们只能得出结论,您喜欢它。

    现在,所有实际生产东西(电力、水、卫生、食品、耐用品等)的白人男子的总罢工已经晚了大约 30 年。 当然,所有寄生 FIRE 类都可以继续工作,因为它们无论如何贡献很小甚至没有任何价值。

    • 回复: @JackOH
    @斯坦·德·穆特

    斯坦,如果 很能干 可以找到政治领导,我可以支持对心怀不满的白领、熟练的商人以及几乎任何其他有牛肉的人进行“无声罢工”。 你需要一个真正的专家,修辞学大师,以及贯彻始终的能力。

    一个带有简单信息的网站,鼓励员工“默默地”休息一天,这可能是一个开始。 你需要做很多功课,但是,如果我没记错的话,那些被证明没有腿的占领华尔街抗议活动始于一篇杂志文章。

  108. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    虽然人们可以决定并学会减少他们给自己造成的痛苦,但如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那用处就非常有限。

    否则,对不起,直率,但我知道我说的是真的,即使它远非总是有效的,因此,我假设你和社工从来没有比他们更耐心地理解别人了解自己,但从未设法用它来善意地向他们介绍他们所缺少的东西,从而用意识来填补空白,而不是他们通常的酒精、性别意识形态等应对机制。

    回复:@Art Deco

    如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那它的用途就非常有限。

    这是唯一有用的东西。

    否则,对不起,我的直率,但我知道我说的是真的,

    你说的是假的。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    如果您想知道为什么有些人在比您看到自己更暗的光线下看到您,这应该是一个重要线索。

    回复:@平装作家,@装饰艺术

  109. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    如果你让他们遭受更多痛苦,那它的用途就非常有限。

    It's the only thing of much use.


    否则,对不起,我的直率,但我知道我说的是真的,

    你说的是假的。

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    如果您想知道为什么有些人在比您看到自己更暗的光线下看到您,这应该是一个重要线索。

    • 回复: @Paperback Writer
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You're saying the 99.5% of us should "help" the 0.5% who are trying to destroy us?

    你怎么了?

    The analogy to drunks is stupid, but in any case, no one ever said that their habit helps them or anyone. A lot of writers were lushes but that was a tragic cross to bear, and in any case, no one pretended that this was good for them or society.

    The transgender ideology is pure & simple madness. It must be crushed and pounded out of existence.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    , @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    谢谢你的智慧,emo 孩子。 我能感受到爱。

    What it actually is is a preference for letting nature take its course and instruct the misbehaving subject so he stops misbehaving. Nature taking its course means he is put out if he doesn't respect the rules in his father's house or on his landlord's property, fired from his job if he's an unreliable or troublesome employee, has to pay his debts or face the repo man if he does not, and he goes to jail if he commits crimes. It 假设 personal agency. If that's 'sadism', then your father's rules, your landlords rules, your employers rules, financial obligation, and the penal code are all 'sadistic'. I don't doubt there are people on the Minneapolis city council who think this way; that's why they shouldn't be permitted any discretion in this world in which we live.

    当然,对于以帮助行业为生的人(我提到的社会工作者是一个奇怪的例外),上述内容是令人厌恶的。

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  110. @Stan d Mute
    @先生。 空白的

    人们会希望,自这一集以来,您将工作产出和质量降低到平均平权行动 HR 或 DIE 工作者的水平,同时花所有可用时间寻找出口。

    如果没有,我们只能得出结论,您喜欢它。

    现在,所有实际生产东西(电力、水、卫生、食品、耐用品等)的白人男子的总罢工已经晚了大约 30 年。 当然,所有寄生 FIRE 类都可以继续工作,因为它们无论如何贡献很小甚至没有任何价值。

    回复:@JackOH

    斯坦,如果 很能干 political leadership could be found, I could support a “silent strike” of, say, disgruntled white collar folks, skilled tradesmen, and pretty much anyone else with a beef. You’d need a real expert, and master of rhetorical discipline, and the capability of following through.

    A Web site with a simple message encouraging workers to “silently” take a particular day off might be a start. You’d need to do plenty of homework, but, if I’m not mistaken, those Occupy Wall Street protests, which turned out not to have legs, began with a magazine article.

  111. @notbe
    @Abolish_public_education

    ...除非你这样做,否则你的权力会解雇你

    回复:@Stan d Mute

    除非你这样做,否则你的权力会解雇你

    只有在他们有能力解雇你的情况下,他们才能解雇你。 记住那个不读书的年轻人。 如果解雇你意味着直接的收入损失或无法阻止的未来损失,那么得到它的总是另一个人。

    确保您是制作人。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @斯坦·德·穆特

    你的对手会跑到社交媒体或媒体上,把你的雇主拒绝解雇你变成全国性的争议。 那会让他付出的代价远远超过你的价值。

  112. @VivaLaMigra
    @匿名的


    But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives his or her [[sic] lunacy
     
    May I suggest that a far more fluent construction would be: " But it is a fact of our times that anyone today making such demands is not making them as an isolated lunatic, but as someone who perceives 那些 lunacy...." The use of the indefinite pronoun "one" eliminates the very clumsy, and utterly unnecessary, "his or her." The use of the pronoun "his" in this context has been accepted, and grammatically correct, for centuries. We don't know the specific gender of this hypothetical person, but we do know we're discussing ONE person and the singular pronoun "his" suffices. CONTEXT matters in language. Any literate speaker of English is taught to accept that "his" isn't gender specific in this usage; it's the singular form that's significant to the meaning of the phrase.

    回复:@Eagle Eye

    The use of the indefinite pronoun “one” eliminates the … unnecessary, “his or her.”

    NO. It is not at all clear – particularly in this context – that the writer meant to blend the meanings of “his” and “her” into a collective term, and one occurrence of “or her” is hardly “clumsy.”

    More seriously, “one’s” introduces an avoidable ambiguity in that “one” is also used as a euphemism for “I.” “One’s lunacy” could thus refer to the lunacy of the listener. Readers would have to resort to contextual clues to resolve the ambiguity – precisely what clear writing should avoid.

    Feminists and many others misunderstand the grammatical gender system in English. “She/her/hers” is used to refer to a female, in the singular only. “He/him/his” similarly refers exclusively to a male, again in the singular only. English does not have a plural pronoun to refers to a group of males only, or of females only.

  113. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    如果您想知道为什么有些人在比您看到自己更暗的光线下看到您,这应该是一个重要线索。

    回复:@平装作家,@装饰艺术

    你是说我们 99.5% 的人应该“帮助”试图摧毁我们的 0.5% 的人?

    你怎么了?

    The analogy to drunks is stupid, but in any case, no one ever said that their habit helps them or anyone. A lot of writers were lushes but that was a tragic cross to bear, and in any case, no one pretended that this was good for them or society.

    The transgender ideology is pure & simple madness. It must be crushed and pounded out of existence.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @平装书作家


    你是说我们 99.5% 的人应该“帮助”试图摧毁我们的 0.5% 的人?
     
    你相信变性人正试图摧毁你吗?

    回复:@疾病的细菌理论,@装饰艺术

  114. @Paperback Writer
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You're saying the 99.5% of us should "help" the 0.5% who are trying to destroy us?

    你怎么了?

    The analogy to drunks is stupid, but in any case, no one ever said that their habit helps them or anyone. A lot of writers were lushes but that was a tragic cross to bear, and in any case, no one pretended that this was good for them or society.

    The transgender ideology is pure & simple madness. It must be crushed and pounded out of existence.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    你是说我们 99.5% 的人应该“帮助”试图摧毁我们的 0.5% 的人?

    你相信变性人正试图摧毁你吗?

    • 回复: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think what he is saying is, An attempt by a very tiny, self-obsessed, and possibly deranged minority to subvert and re-order the language of the other 99% of its speakers for its sole benefit is, whether intentional or not, a form of monkey-wrenching: it is pouring sand into the gears of a society.

    An analogy would be the so-called War on Christmas: Jews came to America, pleading persecution, knowing perfectly well that this was an overwhelmingly Christian country; and are granted not only asylum, but freedom to amass unprecedented wealth, power and influence.

    Once comfortably ensconced and impossible to remove, Jews then decide that the cheerful, harmless, and overwhelmingly common phrase "Merry Christmas" somehow offends them, and they labor day and night to erase this simple bit of useful social capital from the American lexicon, solely for their own benefit. Something vital and socially useful has been lost, and replaced with something flavorless, useless, and (to the majority) deeply offensive, for sole benefit of a spiteful and destructive minority. You don't think that is de facto "trying to destroy us"?

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    , @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, they're attention whores refusing to address their real problems and they and their advocates are attempting to injure others who won't play lets pretend with them. You want to help them, don't play along.

    We have a soi-disant 'transgender' in our social circle. She has real problems. She's an alcoholic who is rather loosely wired so does not have apposite emotional self-regulation for a woman of 37. She's been fired from her job umpteen times in the last six years and been in and out of lesbian relationships notable for drama and not much else. Now she's persuaded herself she's actually a man. She needs to quit drinking, stay away from lesbians, and learn some anger management - not have her breast chopped off and get herself shot full of testosterone.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  115. @Triteleia Laxa
    @平装书作家


    你是说我们 99.5% 的人应该“帮助”试图摧毁我们的 0.5% 的人?
     
    你相信变性人正试图摧毁你吗?

    回复:@疾病的细菌理论,@装饰艺术

    I think what he is saying is, An attempt by a very tiny, self-obsessed, and possibly deranged minority to subvert and re-order the language of the other 99% of its speakers for its sole benefit is, whether intentional or not, a form of monkey-wrenching: it is pouring sand into the gears of a society.

    An analogy would be the so-called War on Christmas: Jews came to America, pleading persecution, knowing perfectly well that this was an overwhelmingly Christian country; and are granted not only asylum, but freedom to amass unprecedented wealth, power and influence.

    Once comfortably ensconced and impossible to remove, Jews then decide that the cheerful, harmless, and overwhelmingly common phrase “Merry Christmas” somehow offends them, and they labor day and night to erase this simple bit of useful social capital from the American lexicon, solely for their own benefit. Something vital and socially useful has been lost, and replaced with something flavorless, useless, and (to the majority) deeply offensive, for sole benefit of a spiteful and destructive minority. You don’t think that is de facto “trying to destroy us”?

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @细菌的疾病理论

    I think you've constructed a fantasy which you find useful, based on a couple of quarter truths.



    Why see your own spitefulness or destructiveness when you can defend yourself from doing so by immediately ranting about the Jews whenever you start to feel it?

    I hope this works out for you, but I doubt it does.

    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else. I am sure they also personally hurt some other individuals, but that characteristic is hardly limited to them. I am sorry you feel like you have sand in your head.

    回复:@Anonymous

  116. They’re destroying society. Idiot: when I say “us” I mean society. You don’t get that.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @平装书作家


    They’re destroying society. Idiot: when I say “us” I mean society. You don’t get that.
     
    So they're not destroying you, but they are destroying society? How is it that you're not destroyed along with society?
  117. @Paperback Writer
    They're destroying society. Idiot: when I say "us" I mean society. You don't get that.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    They’re destroying society. Idiot: when I say “us” I mean society. You don’t get that.

    So they’re not destroying you, but they are destroying society? How is it that you’re not destroyed along with society?

  118. @tyrone
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    It's always interesting to get a little slice of life........ cherry coke?.....starburst gummies?....they didn't have the extremely red hot dogs rotating in the broiler?

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    You’ll always get a slice of … somethin’ from me here. No, there was a foyer of sorts in that store, so I didn’t get in to see if they had the shrunken bright red hot dogs. ;-}

    I did find out recently that there are at least 5, FIVE, flavors of Moon Pies. I had no idea…

  119. @Anonymous
    @西蒙

    这是一个合理的论点,我相信许多正派和聪明的人会发现它令人信服。
    但我们这个时代的事实是,今天提出此类要求的人并不是让他们成为孤立的疯子,而是将自己的疯癫视为与历史的道德潮流保持一致的人。 然而,困惑的人所认为的自由和道德进步是日益增长的极权主义和邪恶。
    我认为我们这个时代需要的是立即谴责。
    你被要求撒谎。
    你被要求以一种直接或间接助长道德邪恶的方式撒谎。
    任何担心他人如何看待自己性别的人都是可以挽救的。
    他们并不完全相信绝对的胡说八道。
    你通过包容他们来伤害他们。
    但当然,我们必须选择我们的战斗,而“更大”的道德问题是你在伤害他人。
    你正在伤害无知的年轻男女,他们可能会觉得废话的吸引力,以此来证明他们在一个越来越向大多数人隐藏意义的世界中的存在。
    而且你正在伤害更多理智的男人和女人,尽管他们可能不会在内部完全将男性或女性视为他们本质的内在特征,因此可能会在努力成为最好的男人或女人时动摇。

    不要告诉我说谎。
    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

    回复:@VivaLaMigra、@njguy73

    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

    我当然希望你的抵押贷款已经还清,你的银行里还有 F-You 的钱。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @ njguy73

    唉,我只是觉得拥抱懦弱是可憎的。

  120. @njguy73
    @匿名的


    你可能会失去工作或“朋友”,但你会变得更强大。

     

    我当然希望你的抵押贷款已经还清,你的银行里还有 F-You 的钱。

    回复:@Anonymous

    唉,我只是觉得拥抱懦弱是可憎的。

  121. @Achmed E. Newman
    @阿农

    I agree with Reg here. This cultural revoulution is part of the conquering and, in fact, a pretty good start. If people won't fight back the purposeful stupidity on these issues, they sure as hell ain't gonna fight when the Communist Feral government starts telling them to stay inside for a month as a personal LOCKDOWN for some trangression or another.

    America is full of pussies who are now masking up for Season 3 of the Flu Manchu PanicFest as I write. I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature. I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words "hysterical", "retarded", and "you ain't gonna die today, lady." That gas station didn't make a sale of 4 gallons, a cherry Coke, and a bag of Starburst gummies, let me tell you right now. I've been banned from 76.

    Replies: @El Dato, @tyrone, @Anonymous

    I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature.

    Was this a corporate policy (i.e. there was a sign on the door telling people this is what they could expect) or her personal policy?

    I ask because the temperature-taking process simply screams “liability” to me (e.g. the newly-minted plaintiff insisting “I caught Covid from standing close to your tester/the customer being tested).

    Is this practice, in fact, a good idea and I am just not seeing it?

    I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words “hysterical”, “retarded”, and “you ain’t gonna die today, lady.”

    I would have simply turned tail and left without a word. Rightly or wrongly, this Covid business seems to have instilled in me the habit of measuring personal interactions largely in terms of, “How much energy will taking Action X cost me?” If the answer is, “a lot,” well, there had better be a large cheque waiting for me at the end of it.

    Most people, I am convinced, are simply not worth the bother.

    This woman is not helping tired, dusty travelers feel welcome, to say the least, but I have to wonder how much of what she did was up to her, and how much may have been the result of a “do this or else” memo from her corporate masters.

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
    @匿名的

    Thanks for the introspection on this, #111.

    I do not remember any sign about the Temp. taking, but I do remember a big one about the masking. Keep in mind, because I didn't write this yet, that one had to be let in - the door was locked otherwise. I am not the type to relish any lawsuit, just because I hate having any unsure business like that hanging over my head - good or bad.

    Note that I did not call the woman herself a retard or hysterical, just that "you people here are hysterical, and this crap is retarded" - like that. I would completely agree that this was not the fat broad's policy herself. I made the comments because someone's got to start instilling some sense in people's heads. I doubt she had any to start with that day.

    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6" apart for a while too.

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don't have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    回复:@anon,@Anonymous

  122. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    如果您想知道为什么有些人在比您看到自己更暗的光线下看到您,这应该是一个重要线索。

    回复:@平装作家,@装饰艺术

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    谢谢你的智慧,emo 孩子。 我能感受到爱。

    它实际上是一种让自然顺其自然并指示行为不端的主体以便他停止行为不端的偏好。 顺其自然意味着如果他不遵守父亲家里或房东财产的规则,他就会被赶出去,如果他是一个不可靠或麻烦的雇员,他就会被解雇,如果他必须偿还债务或面对回购人他没有,如果他犯罪,他就会进监狱。 它 假设 个人代理。 如果那是“虐待狂”,那么您父亲的规则、您的房东规则、您的雇主规则、财务义务和刑法都是“虐待狂”。 我不怀疑明尼阿波利斯市议会中有人有这种想法。 这就是为什么在我们生活的这个世界上不应该允许他们有任何自由裁量权的原因。

    当然,对于以帮助行业为生的人(我提到的社会工作者是一个奇怪的例外),上述内容是令人厌恶的。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    自然就是发生的一切。 停止对她进行腹语,以试图证明您喜欢的特定事件过程是合理的。



    我也不是在批评你的虐待狂冲动。 我只是注意到他们。 我认为他们是 重要 允许像你这样有同情心的人,我可以从你的另一篇文章中看到,当他们看到其他人陷入痛苦时,他们不会毫无意义地受苦。 您可能还会意识到,您的朋友的朋友选择了她需要的生活,无论她是否意识到。 你认为她应该学习的所有东西,很可能是她应该学习的东西,但只有通过这种生活,她才能学会它们。 这很难看到,但这也是生活,以最好的方式。

    回复:@Art Deco

  123. @Triteleia Laxa
    @平装书作家


    你是说我们 99.5% 的人应该“帮助”试图摧毁我们的 0.5% 的人?
     
    你相信变性人正试图摧毁你吗?

    回复:@疾病的细菌理论,@装饰艺术

    不,他们是拒绝解决他们真正问题的关注妓女,他们和他们的拥护者正试图伤害那些不愿与他们一起玩的人。 你想帮助他们,不要玩弄。

    我们的社交圈中有一个反对的“跨性别者”。 她有真正的问题。 她是个酒鬼,性格比较松散,因此对于一个 37 岁的女性来说,没有适当的情绪自我调节能力。在过去的六年里,她被解雇了无数次,并且进进出出以戏剧性而著称的女同性恋关系,但并不多别的。 现在她已经说服自己,她实际上是一个男人。 她需要戒酒,远离女同性恋,并学会一些愤怒管理——不要被切掉她的乳房,让自己充满睾丸激素。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    我真诚地同意你的感同身受的总结。

    我只是补充一点,有时候人们对酒醉至死的需求是如此之深,以至于最好宽容地容忍他们的酗酒,处理自己在悲剧中的痛苦,让他们继续下去。



    他们会回来学习他们需要的任何东西。

  124. @slumber_j
    @史蒂夫·塞勒

    由于拍摄对象的个人怪癖、令人难以置信的生活环境和游手好闲的倾向,雷蒙克的 路德维希·维特根斯坦:天才的责任 是一本难得的学术哲学家传记,你真的很想通读一遍。 我强烈推荐它。

    无论如何,前几天我在对您关于物种是否存在的帖子的评论中提到了维特根斯坦对语言的一些担忧。 很抱歉引用我自己的话,但我认为这在这里也很重要:


    表达的实用性确实是维特根斯坦作品的核心,而人性混淆表达和所指对象的倾向是他最关心的问题之一,我认为这里更相关。 物种是否存在是一个与我们如何使用这个词的关系比其他任何事情都重要的问题:与以往一样,语言是一种社会习俗。

    自上而下地坚持告诉我们哪些词可能意味着或可能不意味着什么,这必然是无稽之谈。 直到最近,大多数英语国家至少隐含地理解这一点,这就是为什么(与法语或西班牙语不同)我们缺乏一个学院来决定单词的含义。 我们有 OED 或其他任何东西可以为我们指明正确的方向,但这不是规定性的。 顺便说一下,英国普通法在法律上与此类似,我从未见过讨论过这一事实,但可能我只是无知。
     

    回复:@ThreeCranes

    “表达的效用……” 是的,这是正确的。

    从我对维特根斯坦(XNUMX 年前)的阅读中,我记得年轻时他试图发现语言的绝对基础和规律。 最终,他深深地陷入了这种不可能的努力中,以至于他放弃了这个项目。 维特根斯坦的维也纳(一本书的书名)也是弗洛伊德主义的基础,也是在亚原子粒子物理学领域取得革命性进步的科学家们的智力重心。 语言被要求做一些它原本不打算做的事情,而且它似乎也没有完全适应这些事情。

    [更多]

    在英格兰,伯特兰·罗素 (Bertrand Russell) 也受到了类似的启发,但采取了不同的策略,他的分析方法试图将语言建立在绝对明确含义的基本单位上,该单位将通过严格的法律组装成更全面的短语、句子、段落等

    所有这些都失败了。 在维特根斯坦后来的著作中,他说语言不是一个单一的东西,而是任何使用它的群体的产物。 因此,例如,让我们看看以下三个表达式:

    “嘿! 这里泥泞多。”

    “你的眼睛进了泥巴。”

    “打断一条腿。”

    现在,对正在下面搅拌灰浆的学徒大吼大叫的泥瓦匠大师并不是真的要求学徒向他扔泥巴。 如果学徒那样做,他很快就会发现,当我们人类说话时,我们不会按字面意思说话。 不,泥瓦匠想要的是一种非常特殊的“泥”,具有恰到好处的稠度,并由恰到好处的沙子、水泥和水比例制成。 没有如果,和或但是。 “否则你会出事!”

    当我们在酒吧里向一个陌生人敬酒时说“你眼中有泥”,如果我们真的向他扔泥土,他会非常惊讶。 如果我们真的按照我们说的去做,我们可能会在回家时嘴里的牙齿更少。

    当然,当我们鼓励其他演员“打断一条腿”时,我们并不是指字面上的意思。 这意味着,去破产然后把他们打死。

    “把他们打死”!!!???

    你看? 我们无法摆脱它。 语言不能被简化为由一组规则绑定在一起的单一清晰、明确含义的词。 单词的含义会根据不同群体及其特定上下文中的使用方式而改变。 没有一套规则可以让我们破译所有这些词的含义的派生词。 如果我们试图为一个词规定一种方式或一种含义,所有的颜色都会从我们的语言中消失。 丰富,质地会消失。

    由于上述原因,语言不仅仅是关于所指对象。 这是关于属于一个群体。 从字面上理解上述任何一项的人将证明他们不是成员。 他们会患有自闭症或阿斯伯格综合症(史蒂夫的见解),并且可能会被转介到人力资源部门进行审查。 因此,以当地传统方式使用语言使我们成为独特群体的成员。 而这正是本案正在考虑的问题。 变性人、性别模糊的人及其支持者正在为他们的群体成员布置语言的使用。 如果你不遵守,那么你就不是会员。 同时,他们表明他们不在乎属于您的团队。

    • 谢谢: slumber_j
  125. @Dieter Kief
    @Right_On

    Aww, he finds himself at times bound or bewitched even, by his own observations. Wittgenstein too then has to cross the swamp of the Ego-philosophy. - The way out being intersubjective philosophy (Jürgen Habermas).

    回复:@ Anon62

    Habermas’ primary concern is the role of intersubjectivity in human affairs.

    What we call “truth” is something that is agreed between the two of us, or is agreed by tacit common usage within the community of which we find ourselves a part. It is true that “freedom fries” may have once existed but that particular usage is now deprecated and forgotten.

    It is clear from history (and also contemporary practice) that we find some “truth” claims to be highly objectionable. One groups ideal may be another groups holocaust.

    Another example – “the rules based international order” means precisely whatever the global hegemon claims it means and, as is presently the case, any such proclamation by the hegemon is likely to conflict with accepted international law and the contemporary usage and meaning endorsed and accepted by other states.

    As has been asserted up thread any intersubjective “truth claim” (and all “truth claims” are intersubjective) is subject to contestation. In the anarchy of international relations any claim by the hegemon may ultimately be contested by other states and this invariably proceeds to armed conflict after which the victor writes history.

    This endless process is known as “progress.”

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @Anon62


    Habermas’ primary concern is the role of intersubjectivity in human affairs.

     

    That's partly right, I'd hold. It is not only right in human affairs, but the concept of intersubjectivity also serves him as a philosophical organon, so to speak. And as such, it is the one with which enables him to look further than it was hitherto the case. With it, he cuts through lots and lots of philosophical dead wood, which could not be seen with such clarity and elegance, as long as his concept did not exist. All kinds of ontological and problems like the question for the prima causa and/or the first mover disappear. As do all kinds of leftist fetishes like the question of whether possession is the original misstep of the bourgeois society or rather the suppression of women or slavery or what have you...
    Big scale Habermas is open for pessimism. Or realism. Or whatever you want to call it. So I would not want to contradict you here.

    But let me add something if you please: Habermas' position here derives (not least) from Kant's (not least ironically tinted - hardly a reader grasps this, even though Kant did not hide it at all, but spelled his ironic perspective out in the opening paragraphs) - - - -Haberms' starting point here is Immanuel Kant's not least ironically tinted little book 永恒的和平, which indeed contains a 视力 of world peace and a political world treaty.

    Basic Habermas is, that truth or being right is a gradual thing that changes its color so to speak from the 1) nomological (measuring) sciences via the 2) social ones (the law, political science, sociology) to the 3) aesthetical field. - Becoming less and less regulated and more and more open to subjectivity from 1) to 3).

    Throughout, Habermas claims, there should be no constraints to the arguments*** that constitute the fields. Or to the argumentation that accompanies the creation and the -necessarily taking place - transformation of each and every field of knowledge, not least, because every individual's perspective 增加 something not seen or heard about before to the big picture. That's Hegel's vindication of Heraclitus' everthing is in flux for - world history - and thus as the central element that is defining modernity (our times, still).

    *** other than their reasonableness. Which in his mind implies not only politeness while arguing, but also a restriction of those taking part in public discourses. These should be centered on - sound (!) arguments, not tactics or strategies, as long as they are taking place in the intellectual field, which should serve to clarify positions and reasons.
    Politics then is about majorities for one of the positions that have been clarified. - Habermas's sociological and theoretical theory is quite compatible with what's happening in Switzerland.

  126. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think what he is saying is, An attempt by a very tiny, self-obsessed, and possibly deranged minority to subvert and re-order the language of the other 99% of its speakers for its sole benefit is, whether intentional or not, a form of monkey-wrenching: it is pouring sand into the gears of a society.

    An analogy would be the so-called War on Christmas: Jews came to America, pleading persecution, knowing perfectly well that this was an overwhelmingly Christian country; and are granted not only asylum, but freedom to amass unprecedented wealth, power and influence.

    Once comfortably ensconced and impossible to remove, Jews then decide that the cheerful, harmless, and overwhelmingly common phrase "Merry Christmas" somehow offends them, and they labor day and night to erase this simple bit of useful social capital from the American lexicon, solely for their own benefit. Something vital and socially useful has been lost, and replaced with something flavorless, useless, and (to the majority) deeply offensive, for sole benefit of a spiteful and destructive minority. You don't think that is de facto "trying to destroy us"?

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    I think you’ve constructed a fantasy which you find useful, based on a couple of quarter truths.

    [更多]

    Why see your own spitefulness or destructiveness when you can defend yourself from doing so by immediately ranting about the Jews whenever you start to feel it?

    I hope this works out for you, but I doubt it does.

    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else. I am sure they also personally hurt some other individuals, but that characteristic is hardly limited to them. I am sorry you feel like you have sand in your head.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else.
     
    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?

    It's wonderful that you think well enough of transgender people to sincerely believe that they are not out to do anything more than cause a "minor inconvenience" to most of everyone else, but I do not think I am talking out of turn when I say that the evidence points glaringly to the contrary.

    I cannot say I know a lot about this board, but no one here seems to begrudge other folks indulging their private fantasies in private. However, it is apparent that transgender people have sought and continue to seek the use of the full force of the state to heavily fine and/or imprison people who are not willing to go along with their fantasies.

    Have a chat sometime with someone who has endured hefty fines or imprisonment and ask them if they felt they had been subjected to a "minor inconvenience." The answer may surprise you.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  127. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, they're attention whores refusing to address their real problems and they and their advocates are attempting to injure others who won't play lets pretend with them. You want to help them, don't play along.

    We have a soi-disant 'transgender' in our social circle. She has real problems. She's an alcoholic who is rather loosely wired so does not have apposite emotional self-regulation for a woman of 37. She's been fired from her job umpteen times in the last six years and been in and out of lesbian relationships notable for drama and not much else. Now she's persuaded herself she's actually a man. She needs to quit drinking, stay away from lesbians, and learn some anger management - not have her breast chopped off and get herself shot full of testosterone.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    我真诚地同意你的感同身受的总结。

    I only add that sometimes people’s need to drink themselves to death is so deep that it is better to kindly tolerate their alcoholism, deal with your own pain at the tragedy and let them get on with it.

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    They’ll come back having learned whatever it is they needed to.

  128. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你的“帮助”哲学与你对不认同的人享受虐待的借口没有区别。

    谢谢你的智慧,emo 孩子。 我能感受到爱。

    What it actually is is a preference for letting nature take its course and instruct the misbehaving subject so he stops misbehaving. Nature taking its course means he is put out if he doesn't respect the rules in his father's house or on his landlord's property, fired from his job if he's an unreliable or troublesome employee, has to pay his debts or face the repo man if he does not, and he goes to jail if he commits crimes. It 假设 personal agency. If that's 'sadism', then your father's rules, your landlords rules, your employers rules, financial obligation, and the penal code are all 'sadistic'. I don't doubt there are people on the Minneapolis city council who think this way; that's why they shouldn't be permitted any discretion in this world in which we live.

    当然,对于以帮助行业为生的人(我提到的社会工作者是一个奇怪的例外),上述内容是令人厌恶的。

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    自然就是发生的一切。 停止对她进行腹语,以试图证明您喜欢的特定事件过程是合理的。

    [更多]

    I also wasn’t criticising your sadistic impulses. I was just noticing them. I think they are 重要 in allowing empathetic people, like you, which I can see from your other post, to not suffer pointlessly when they see other people enmeshed in suffering. You might also realise that your friend of friend has chosen the life she needs, whether she is aware of it or not. All of the things you think she should learn, may well be the things she should learn, but only by living this life is she going to learn them. That’s tough to see, but it is also life, in the best of ways.

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The term 'sadistic' doesn't mean what you fancy it means.

    If you would prefer 'let ordinary social life take its course' in lieu of 'let nature take its course', fine.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  129. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    自然就是发生的一切。 停止对她进行腹语,以试图证明您喜欢的特定事件过程是合理的。



    我也不是在批评你的虐待狂冲动。 我只是注意到他们。 我认为他们是 重要 允许像你这样有同情心的人,我可以从你的另一篇文章中看到,当他们看到其他人陷入痛苦时,他们不会毫无意义地受苦。 您可能还会意识到,您的朋友的朋友选择了她需要的生活,无论她是否意识到。 你认为她应该学习的所有东西,很可能是她应该学习的东西,但只有通过这种生活,她才能学会它们。 这很难看到,但这也是生活,以最好的方式。

    回复:@Art Deco

    术语“虐待狂”并不意味着你想象的意思。

    如果你更喜欢“让普通社会生活顺其自然”而不是“让自然顺其自然”,那很好。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。 它也平衡了你感受到的痛苦。 它使人们能够感知现实,而不会感到痛苦,从而使他们的感官与意识隔绝。 如果与同理心平衡,它会导致调和,而不是当一个人只有一个时会出现不和谐。

    此外,现在的“普通”与您认为应该是的完全不同。 你在口语“自然”,现在你对“普通”做同样的事情,但每次都是你自己的声音。 为什么不拥有它?

    回复:@Art Deco

  130. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The term 'sadistic' doesn't mean what you fancy it means.

    If you would prefer 'let ordinary social life take its course' in lieu of 'let nature take its course', fine.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。 它也平衡了你感受到的痛苦。 它使人们能够感知现实,而不会感到痛苦,从而使他们的感官与意识隔绝。 如果与同理心平衡,它会导致调和,而不是当一个人只有一个时会出现不和谐。

    Also, “ordinary” in the present is quite different from what you have decided it should be. You were ventriloquising “nature”, now you are doing the same with “ordinary,” but each time it is your own voice. Why not own it?

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。

    Which wasn't incorporated into anything I said to you. Thanks for the self-indictment.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  131. @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch


    (卡尔克劳斯是)绝对有纯毒的天赋。
     
    对。 叹。 但随着时间的推移,如果有人只是敲出自己的苦涩真相,什么都没有,那确实会有点无聊。 - 随着时间的推移意味着几十年。 这只是不容易 - 比方说 - 变老并保持生产力的方法。

    汉斯·马格努斯·恩岑斯伯格(Hans Magnus Enzensberger)——他非常优雅地绕过了向所有人证明他可以——一次又一次——看不起他们,使他们相形见绌,消灭他们的悬崖。 . . 1975 年以后发现。 他和他愤怒的同志们的这种态度完全有问题... 始终).
    当他终于过了七十岁时,他把这段经历写成了这个公式: Der Zorn Altt, die Ironie bleibt。 - 愤怒变老(替代 用德语双重编码,因为这不仅意味着变老,而且还有一种被他抛在后面的意味—— - - 当他变老时****) - 而讽刺是持续的。

    ***** 一个有趣的悖论,我想:变老让曾经叛逆的人明白,现在他老了——愤怒对他来说已经过时了。 当你变老时,你可以放下愤怒——这一切都是突然的 老年人 比你自己。 矛盾而有趣:不同尺度上的平行运动,让变老表现为存在的进步和收获。


    PS

    在赞美宇宙思维和天上的天才——小说家、哲学家、教育家、格言家和幽默家让·保罗时,卡尔·克劳斯正在走出自己的局限。 但他的赞美可能有点肤浅。 或者他想要以一种相当愤怒和有毒的方式行事的冲动太强烈了,不能被调低,更不用说被释放了。

    回复:@kaganovitch

    对。 叹。 但随着时间的推移,如果有人只是敲出他自己的苦涩真相,那么它确实会变得有点无聊。

    由于我的德语水平有限且生疏,我只阅读了小剂量的克劳斯,这是可以忍受的。 我记得我已故的父亲 obm——我继承了他的精装版《法克尔》——在阅读克劳斯的某些文章时常说:“Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl!”

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch


    “Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl!”
     
    这就是总结。 卡尔·克劳斯(Karl Kraus)——有时在他所有的厌恶、剖析和解开方面都很出色……

    回复:@kaganovitch

  132. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。 它也平衡了你感受到的痛苦。 它使人们能够感知现实,而不会感到痛苦,从而使他们的感官与意识隔绝。 如果与同理心平衡,它会导致调和,而不是当一个人只有一个时会出现不和谐。

    此外,现在的“普通”与您认为应该是的完全不同。 你在口语“自然”,现在你对“普通”做同样的事情,但每次都是你自己的声音。 为什么不拥有它?

    回复:@Art Deco

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。

    我对你说的任何话都没有包括在内。 谢谢你的自责。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    我说你的论点与纯粹的借口没有区别,而不是字面上相同的措辞。

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    回复:@Art Deco

  133. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    虐待狂是在他人的痛苦中寻找兴奋。

    Which wasn't incorporated into anything I said to you. Thanks for the self-indictment.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    我说你的论点与纯粹的借口没有区别,而不是字面上相同的措辞。

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    • 回复: @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    Do you understand the difference you're positing is nonsense? People don't evict tenants, repossess cars, fire problem employees, or put their n'er-do-well children out on the curb to enjoy themselves.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  134. “问题是,”矮胖子说,“这将是 - 就这样。”

    那是有毒的白色使父权制就在那里(假设 Humpty 不是棕色的鸡蛋)。

  135. @Triteleia Laxa
    @细菌的疾病理论

    I think you've constructed a fantasy which you find useful, based on a couple of quarter truths.



    Why see your own spitefulness or destructiveness when you can defend yourself from doing so by immediately ranting about the Jews whenever you start to feel it?

    I hope this works out for you, but I doubt it does.

    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else. I am sure they also personally hurt some other individuals, but that characteristic is hardly limited to them. I am sorry you feel like you have sand in your head.

    回复:@Anonymous

    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else.

    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?

    It’s wonderful that you think well enough of transgender people to sincerely believe that they are not out to do anything more than cause a “minor inconvenience” to most of everyone else, but I do not think I am talking out of turn when I say that the evidence points glaringly to the contrary.

    I cannot say I know a lot about this board, but no one here seems to begrudge other folks indulging their private fantasies in private. However, it is apparent that transgender people have sought and continue to seek the use of the full force of the state to heavily fine and/or imprison people who are not willing to go along with their fantasies.

    Have a chat sometime with someone who has endured hefty fines or imprisonment and ask them if they felt they had been subjected to a “minor inconvenience.” The answer may surprise you.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @匿名的

    I believe I covered your individual cases in my comment and I agreed with your sentiments.


    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?
     
    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think. I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.

    I consider this a straightforward fact, but I should have connected it with a second observation. People can't understand others, especially those they have decided they are in competition with, because they find approaching that understanding to be a threat to their perspective.

    This second observation suggests why my first observation, which is rather plain and uncontentious, can be experienced as invasive or provocative. Perhaps it isn't actually the reason why, in this case, maybe you have an alternative one?

    回复:@Anonymous

  136. @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    对。 叹。 但随着时间的推移,如果有人只是敲出他自己的苦涩真相,那么它确实会变得有点无聊。

    As my German is somewhat limited and rusty I only read small doses of Kraus which is tolerable. I remember my late father obm - whose hardbound copies of die Fackel I inherited - when reading certain of Kraus's articles used to say "Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl !"

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    “Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl!”

    That about sums it up. Karl Kraus i.s. – brilliant at times in all his loathing and dissecting and disentangling…

    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    I meant to ask, is the idiom 'einer miese säge' still in use? I heard it often as a child at home.

    回复:@Dieter Kief

  137. @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    And no, transgender people are not destroying society. They destroy themselves and provide only a minor inconvenience to most of everyone else.
     
    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?

    It's wonderful that you think well enough of transgender people to sincerely believe that they are not out to do anything more than cause a "minor inconvenience" to most of everyone else, but I do not think I am talking out of turn when I say that the evidence points glaringly to the contrary.

    I cannot say I know a lot about this board, but no one here seems to begrudge other folks indulging their private fantasies in private. However, it is apparent that transgender people have sought and continue to seek the use of the full force of the state to heavily fine and/or imprison people who are not willing to go along with their fantasies.

    Have a chat sometime with someone who has endured hefty fines or imprisonment and ask them if they felt they had been subjected to a "minor inconvenience." The answer may surprise you.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    I believe I covered your individual cases in my comment and I agreed with your sentiments.

    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?

    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think. I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.

    I consider this a straightforward fact, but I should have connected it with a second observation. People can’t understand others, especially those they have decided they are in competition with, because they find approaching that understanding to be a threat to their perspective.

    This second observation suggests why my first observation, which is rather plain and uncontentious, can be experienced as invasive or provocative. Perhaps it isn’t actually the reason why, in this case, maybe you have an alternative one?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.
     
    I did not say I was interested in setting myself against people who are actively destroying themselves (or anyone else, either).

    Rather, I was attempting to point out that the whole "I'm going to use force to get what I want" business gets a wee bit old after a while. It does not win the "might makes right" crowd any friends, either, but they don't seem to care as much about winning me over as they do about beating me over the head.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think.

     

    One does not have to be "hippy dippy" (your phrase, not mine) to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Perfectly sensible people do it all the time and it can happen to the best of us.

    I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.
     
    If it helps matter along, I am not interested in changing anyone. Rather, I am interested in having people who are keen on beating me over the head with their own worldview to knock it off.

    I am too busy trying to change myself to be interested in changing other people just now, thank you. I would prefer, instead, that they leave me to get on with what I was already doing. Fair enough?

    It is one of life's little peculiarities, but folk always seem to fall in one of two camps: those who want to control other people and those who do not have that desire. It is not difficult to work out which camp the transgender folks fall into.

    With any luck, my writing makes it easy for the reader to discern which camp I fall into.

    (I would hate to think all those school fees were wasted.)

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

  138. @Anon62
    @Dieter基夫

    Habermas' primary concern is the role of intersubjectivity in human affairs.

    What we call "truth" is something that is agreed between the two of us, or is agreed by tacit common usage within the community of which we find ourselves a part. It is true that "freedom fries" may have once existed but that particular usage is now deprecated and forgotten.

    It is clear from history (and also contemporary practice) that we find some "truth" claims to be highly objectionable. One groups ideal may be another groups holocaust.

    Another example - "the rules based international order" means precisely whatever the global hegemon claims it means and, as is presently the case, any such proclamation by the hegemon is likely to conflict with accepted international law and the contemporary usage and meaning endorsed and accepted by other states.

    As has been asserted up thread any intersubjective "truth claim" (and all "truth claims" are intersubjective) is subject to contestation. In the anarchy of international relations any claim by the hegemon may ultimately be contested by other states and this invariably proceeds to armed conflict after which the victor writes history.

    This endless process is known as "progress."

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    Habermas’ primary concern is the role of intersubjectivity in human affairs.

    That’s partly right, I’d hold. It is not only right in human affairs, but the concept of intersubjectivity also serves him as a philosophical organon, so to speak. And as such, it is the one with which enables him to look further than it was hitherto the case. With it, he cuts through lots and lots of philosophical dead wood, which could not be seen with such clarity and elegance, as long as his concept did not exist. All kinds of ontological and problems like the question for the prima causa and/or the first mover disappear. As do all kinds of leftist fetishes like the question of whether possession is the original misstep of the bourgeois society or rather the suppression of women or slavery or what have you…
    Big scale Habermas is open for pessimism. Or realism. Or whatever you want to call it. So I would not want to contradict you here.

    But let me add something if you please: Habermas’ position here derives (not least) from Kant’s (not least ironically tinted – hardly a reader grasps this, even though Kant did not hide it at all, but spelled his ironic perspective out in the opening paragraphs) – – – -Haberms’ starting point here is Immanuel Kant’s not least ironically tinted little book 永恒的和平, which indeed contains a 视力 of world peace and a political world treaty.

    Basic Habermas is, that truth or being right is a gradual thing that changes its color so to speak from the 1) nomological (measuring) sciences via the 2) social ones (the law, political science, sociology) to the 3) aesthetical field. – Becoming less and less regulated and more and more open to subjectivity from 1) to 3).

    Throughout, Habermas claims, there should be no constraints to the arguments*** that constitute the fields. Or to the argumentation that accompanies the creation and the -necessarily taking place – transformation of each and every field of knowledge, not least, because every individual’s perspective 增加 something not seen or heard about before to the big picture. That’s Hegel’s vindication of Heraclitus’ everthing is in flux for – world history – and thus as the central element that is defining modernity (our times, still).

    *** other than their reasonableness. Which in his mind implies not only politeness while arguing, but also a restriction of those taking part in public discourses. These should be centered on – sound (!) arguments, not tactics or strategies, as long as they are taking place in the intellectual field, which should serve to clarify positions and reasons.
    Politics then is about majorities for one of the positions that have been clarified. – Habermas’s sociological and theoretical theory is quite compatible with what’s happening in Switzerland.

  139. @James Speaks

    “当我用一个词时,”矮胖子用相当轻蔑的语气说,“它的意思就是我选择它的意思——不多也不少。”
     
    埃米特·蒂尔(Emmett Till)

    回复:@Richard B

    “当我用一个词时,”矮胖子用相当轻蔑的语气说,“它的意思就是我选择它的意思——不多也不少。”

    是的。

    Humpty Dumpty 每次都赢。 然后他从墙上掉下来。

    让他的胜利成为 止血的胜利.

  140. @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    我说你的论点与纯粹的借口没有区别,而不是字面上相同的措辞。

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    回复:@Art Deco

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    你明白你所提出的差异是无稽之谈吗? 人们不会驱逐房客、收回汽车、火灾问题员工,或将他们不合时宜的孩子放在路边自娱自乐。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @艺术装饰

    人,甚至你,都比你目前认为的要复杂。

  141. @Triteleia Laxa
    @匿名的

    I believe I covered your individual cases in my comment and I agreed with your sentiments.


    If someone does not value his/her own life to the point where they are actively destroying themselves, why would they care in the slightest about the well-being of anyone else?
     
    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think. I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.

    I consider this a straightforward fact, but I should have connected it with a second observation. People can't understand others, especially those they have decided they are in competition with, because they find approaching that understanding to be a threat to their perspective.

    This second observation suggests why my first observation, which is rather plain and uncontentious, can be experienced as invasive or provocative. Perhaps it isn't actually the reason why, in this case, maybe you have an alternative one?

    回复:@Anonymous

    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.

    I did not say I was interested in setting myself against people who are actively destroying themselves (or anyone else, either).

    Rather, I was attempting to point out that the whole “I’m going to use force to get what I want” business gets a wee bit old after a while. It does not win the “might makes right” crowd any friends, either, but they don’t seem to care as much about winning me over as they do about beating me over the head.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think.

    One does not have to be “hippy dippy” (your phrase, not mine) to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Perfectly sensible people do it all the time and it can happen to the best of us.

    I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.

    If it helps matter along, I am not interested in changing anyone. Rather, I am interested in having people who are keen on beating me over the head with their own worldview to knock it off.

    I am too busy trying to change myself to be interested in changing other people just now, thank you. I would prefer, instead, that they leave me to get on with what I was already doing. Fair enough?

    It is one of life’s little peculiarities, but folk always seem to fall in one of two camps: those who want to control other people and those who do not have that desire. It is not difficult to work out which camp the transgender folks fall into.

    With any luck, my writing makes it easy for the reader to discern which camp I fall into.

    (I would hate to think all those school fees were wasted.)

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    @匿名的


    It is one of life’s little peculiarities, but folk always seem to fall in one of two camps: those who want to control other people and those who do not have that desire. It is not difficult to work out which camp the transgender folks fall into.
     
    They fall into different camps, like all groups, but likely fall far more into the change themselves camp, think about it.
  142. @Anonymous
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)


    I had a run in at a gas station with a fat broad who wanted to take my temperature.
     
    Was this a corporate policy (i.e. there was a sign on the door telling people this is what they could expect) or her personal policy?

    I ask because the temperature-taking process simply screams "liability" to me (e.g. the newly-minted plaintiff insisting "I caught Covid from standing close to your tester/the customer being tested).

    Is this practice, in fact, a good idea and I am just not seeing it?

    I really was going to let her, but she took issue with a few remarks that included the words “hysterical”, “retarded”, and “you ain’t gonna die today, lady.”
     
    I would have simply turned tail and left without a word. Rightly or wrongly, this Covid business seems to have instilled in me the habit of measuring personal interactions largely in terms of, "How much energy will taking Action X cost me?" If the answer is, "a lot," well, there had better be a large cheque waiting for me at the end of it.

    Most people, I am convinced, are simply not worth the bother.

    This woman is not helping tired, dusty travelers feel welcome, to say the least, but I have to wonder how much of what she did was up to her, and how much may have been the result of a "do this or else" memo from her corporate masters.

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks for the introspection on this, #111.

    I do not remember any sign about the Temp. taking, but I do remember a big one about the masking. Keep in mind, because I didn’t write this yet, that one had to be let in – the door was locked otherwise. I am not the type to relish any lawsuit, just because I hate having any unsure business like that hanging over my head – good or bad.

    Note that I did not call the woman herself a retard or hysterical, just that “you people here are hysterical, and this crap is retarded” – like that. I would completely agree that this was not the fat broad’s policy herself. I made the comments because someone’s got to start instilling some sense in people’s heads. I doubt she had any to start with that day.

    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6″ apart for a while too.

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don’t have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    • 回复: @anon
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don’t have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    But I'm sure they will remember you, if you ever go back there. Not favorably, either.

    Poor situational awareness, dude.

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    , @Anonymous
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)


    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6″ apart for a while too.
     
    Some of these so-called health measures are hilariously ill-conceived: "I need to get within kissing distance to determine whether you are ill." Really?

    The locked door business sounds odd, too, and distinctly unfriendly. I should think an open shop would have an open door, but that could just be my "wrecker" tendencies manifesting themselves again.

    In any event, I am glad to hear you got out of there in one piece and will not have to deal with that shop again. I thank my lucky stars that the shopkeepers round my way have yet to feel the need to play nurse.
  143. If a woman is “someone who identifies as a woman,” then, with simple replacement, what you end up with is “a woman is someone who identifies as someone who identifies as a woman, which is someone who identifies as someone who identifies as a woman, which is someone who identifies as someone who…” It’s tautological nonsense.

  144. @Achmed E. Newman
    @匿名的

    Thanks for the introspection on this, #111.

    I do not remember any sign about the Temp. taking, but I do remember a big one about the masking. Keep in mind, because I didn't write this yet, that one had to be let in - the door was locked otherwise. I am not the type to relish any lawsuit, just because I hate having any unsure business like that hanging over my head - good or bad.

    Note that I did not call the woman herself a retard or hysterical, just that "you people here are hysterical, and this crap is retarded" - like that. I would completely agree that this was not the fat broad's policy herself. I made the comments because someone's got to start instilling some sense in people's heads. I doubt she had any to start with that day.

    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6" apart for a while too.

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don't have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    回复:@anon,@Anonymous

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don’t have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    But I’m sure they will remember you, if you ever go back there. Not favorably, either.

    Poor situational awareness, dude.

    • 回复: @Achmed E. Newman
    @匿名

    I don't care if they remember me. Why should I? It's in a State far away, and even if down the street from me I wouldn't care. What I meant by "live with" is the hysteria.

    I simply got gas and the rest down the road across the street. That guy at the next place was decent, because he didn't have the personality of a member of the SS or the Stasi. Mask or no mask, why should he care? Not many people actually believe this is the Black Death 2.0.

    "Situational Awareness"? Do you even know what that term means?

  145. @anon
    @艾希迈德·纽曼(Achmed E.Newman)

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don’t have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    But I'm sure they will remember you, if you ever go back there. Not favorably, either.

    Poor situational awareness, dude.

    回复:@Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t care if they remember me. Why should I? It’s in a State far away, and even if down the street from me I wouldn’t care. What I meant by “live with” is the hysteria.

    I simply got gas and the rest down the road across the street. That guy at the next place was decent, because he didn’t have the personality of a member of the SS or the Stasi. Mask or no mask, why should he care? Not many people actually believe this is the Black Death 2.0.

    “Situational Awareness”? Do you even know what that term means?

  146. @Anonymous
    @Triteleia Laxa


    If you set yourself against people who are actively destroying themselves, you will have near infinite opposition.
     
    I did not say I was interested in setting myself against people who are actively destroying themselves (or anyone else, either).

    Rather, I was attempting to point out that the whole "I'm going to use force to get what I want" business gets a wee bit old after a while. It does not win the "might makes right" crowd any friends, either, but they don't seem to care as much about winning me over as they do about beating me over the head.

    I am also not being nearly as hippy dippy as you think.

     

    One does not have to be "hippy dippy" (your phrase, not mine) to get hold of the wrong end of the stick. Perfectly sensible people do it all the time and it can happen to the best of us.

    I made the observation that if you want people to change, it pays to understand them better than they understand themselves.
     
    If it helps matter along, I am not interested in changing anyone. Rather, I am interested in having people who are keen on beating me over the head with their own worldview to knock it off.

    I am too busy trying to change myself to be interested in changing other people just now, thank you. I would prefer, instead, that they leave me to get on with what I was already doing. Fair enough?

    It is one of life's little peculiarities, but folk always seem to fall in one of two camps: those who want to control other people and those who do not have that desire. It is not difficult to work out which camp the transgender folks fall into.

    With any luck, my writing makes it easy for the reader to discern which camp I fall into.

    (I would hate to think all those school fees were wasted.)

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    It is one of life’s little peculiarities, but folk always seem to fall in one of two camps: those who want to control other people and those who do not have that desire. It is not difficult to work out which camp the transgender folks fall into.

    They fall into different camps, like all groups, but likely fall far more into the change themselves camp, think about it.

  147. @Art Deco
    @Triteleia Laxa

    你明白我说的和你说的我说的有什么区别吗?

    Do you understand the difference you're positing is nonsense? People don't evict tenants, repossess cars, fire problem employees, or put their n'er-do-well children out on the curb to enjoy themselves.

    回复:@Triteleia Laxa

    人,甚至你,都比你目前认为的要复杂。

  148. @Stan d Mute
    @notbe


    除非你这样做,否则你的权力会解雇你
     
    只有在他们有能力解雇你的情况下,他们才能解雇你。 记住那个不读书的年轻人。 如果解雇你意味着直接的收入损失或无法阻止的未来损失,那么得到它的总是另一个人。

    确保您是制作人。

    回复:@Anonymous

    Your antagonist will run to social media or the press and turn your employer’s refusal to fire you into a national controversy. That will cost him way more than you’re worth.

  149. @Achmed E. Newman
    @匿名的

    Thanks for the introspection on this, #111.

    I do not remember any sign about the Temp. taking, but I do remember a big one about the masking. Keep in mind, because I didn't write this yet, that one had to be let in - the door was locked otherwise. I am not the type to relish any lawsuit, just because I hate having any unsure business like that hanging over my head - good or bad.

    Note that I did not call the woman herself a retard or hysterical, just that "you people here are hysterical, and this crap is retarded" - like that. I would completely agree that this was not the fat broad's policy herself. I made the comments because someone's got to start instilling some sense in people's heads. I doubt she had any to start with that day.

    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6" apart for a while too.

    Lastly, this place is no where near where I live, so I don't have to live with it. For that, I am very grateful. A couple of States away, everything is cool.

    回复:@anon,@Anonymous

    Oh yeah, we were about 6 in. away for a while there! I asked a guy locally a year ago, in the midst of this, whether he was hysterical or just doing all this to not get in trouble with the city. Yeah, we were 6″ apart for a while too.

    Some of these so-called health measures are hilariously ill-conceived: “I need to get within kissing distance to determine whether you are ill.” Really?

    The locked door business sounds odd, too, and distinctly unfriendly. I should think an open shop would have an open door, but that could just be my “wrecker” tendencies manifesting themselves again.

    In any event, I am glad to hear you got out of there in one piece and will not have to deal with that shop again. I thank my lucky stars that the shopkeepers round my way have yet to feel the need to play nurse.

  150. @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch


    “Dieser kerl wahr einer miese säge,aber hatte er Sprachgefühl!”
     
    这就是总结。 卡尔·克劳斯(Karl Kraus)——有时在他所有的厌恶、剖析和解开方面都很出色……

    回复:@kaganovitch

    我想问一下,“einer miese säge”这个成语还在使用吗? 小时候在家里经常听到。

    • 回复: @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch

    在看你的评论之前,我只是想了一下。 你还在砍木头,不是吗?

    我马上就明白了,并找到了它——完全符合克劳斯的心态。 但我从来没有听过有人这么说过。

    回复:@kaganovitch

  151. @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    I meant to ask, is the idiom 'einer miese säge' still in use? I heard it often as a child at home.

    回复:@Dieter Kief

    I just thought about it, before I read your comment. You’re still into cutting wood, aren’t you?

    I understood it right away and found it – precisely fitting for the Kraus-state-of -mind. But I have never heard somebody say it.

    • 回复: @kaganovitch
    @Dieter基夫

    我父亲 obm 于 1934 年离开德国,所以我认为那是当前的战前时期。

  152. @Dieter Kief
    @kaganovitch

    在看你的评论之前,我只是想了一下。 你还在砍木头,不是吗?

    我马上就明白了,并找到了它——完全符合克劳斯的心态。 但我从来没有听过有人这么说过。

    回复:@kaganovitch

    我父亲 obm 于 1934 年离开德国,所以我认为那是当前的战前时期。

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