在冠状病毒的持续故事中，本周带来了两个有关局限性的故事。 首先是在欧洲，辉瑞和阿斯利康疫苗的生产都步履蹒跚，从周一开始，未来几周的供应将减少。 存在所有生产中都会发生的生产问题。 以后应该会变好，但这意味着某些疫苗接种中心将闲置一会儿。 这是一个公共卫生问题，因为在疫苗接种方面已取得的成果将减少高危人群，而未接种疫苗的新病例可能会使这种情况不堪重负，尤其是随着数量的增加，从而增加了新变异的可能性。
但是，到您阅读本文时，第一个刺戳将被赋予6万个，第二个刺戳将被赋予XNUMX万个。 考虑到前期辉瑞疫苗的冷链要求，这还不错。 实用上，阿斯利康疫苗现在将承担主要负担，疫苗接种率可能会在两周内大幅增加。
对于大多数人来说，尽早抓戳是主要目标。 下周晚些时候提供的疫苗接种是与8月70日（即10天或12周后）的第二次约会相关的。 英国已经采取了合理的观点，即应优先考虑尽可能多的人服用第一剂，第二剂可以在8周后服用。 到本周，只有XNUMX％的人进行过第二次刺刺，但只要供应持续，这将大大增加。
英国医学协会（医生工会）表示，阿斯利康注射剂延迟12周是可以的，但是对于辉瑞公司而言，没有证据表明42天后会恢复正常。 很难看到免疫系统会如何如此快地忘记接种疫苗。 疫苗接种和免疫联合委员会副主席安东尼·哈恩登教授认为，该数据支持一种戳戳提供可接受保护的观点。 Moderna数据（使用辉瑞（Pfizer）等mRNA方法）显示了首次戳刺后两个月有90％的免疫力。 布里斯托大学儿科医师亚当芬（Adam Finn）是一位对感染，免疫和接种疫苗感兴趣的儿科医生，他说，一到两周内，未经分析的数据可能会表明，在感染后的12周内，保护将不断增加。第一次疫苗接种。 我认为这是Steve Sailer在一段时间前对数据的关注后提出的。
然而，疫苗接种不是普遍流行的。 媒体一直在尝试讨论这样一个事实，即该国某些地区的某些人群正在减少接种疫苗的比例不是白人的8％，而是白人的50％。 像往常一样，对此现象的讨论有些麻烦。 首先，他们称其为“疫苗犹豫”。 其次，他们谈论文化和历史因素，以及信仰领袖的重要性。 最后，在报纸专栏的后面，宗教和种族成为图片。
因此，按种族划分的预期疫苗接种率为：黑人70％，巴基斯坦/孟加拉30％，印度16％，白人14％。 一个总结是，黑人公民极有可能拒绝接种疫苗。 就像他们在该国所说的，相距一英里。
就像现实检查一样，相同的数据表明，老年人面临的风险最大，因此犹豫最少。 年轻人自己不需要疫苗接种（尽管这可能会大大降低将其传染给他人的可能性），因此不需要。 这是一个简单的线性年龄效应。
在现实世界中，在伯明翰的亚洲和非洲-加勒比地区，拒绝率（立即降低疫苗接种率）高达50％。 在伦敦的伊灵，黑人居民的拒绝率为10-15％，而其他所有群体的拒绝率为5％。 在特伦特河畔斯托克，黑人和少数族裔的缺勤率达到20％至30％，而其他群体中的缺勤率则为2-3％。 无论出于什么原因，缺勤率达到20％到30％都表明了无视他人需求的崇高态度，因为他人的接种机会会不必要地推迟。
前平等与人权事务专员兼经常评论员特雷弗·菲利普斯（Trevor Phillips）表示，这是由于“出于宗教或文化原因的真诚拒绝，并且很可能对白人当局提出的任何建议深表怀疑。 这样做并不合适，但这意味着我们必须严肃对待他的怀疑论者。 我们都有些落后或不理解戳刺的论点的根本暗示只是在轻视有色人种。”
拒绝被认为是“真诚的”，因为它被认为源自宗教或文化，这一观点无疑值得商question。 关于免疫学，文化和宗教信仰可能是错误的。 同样，“对白人权威的高度怀疑”是奇怪的，因为这些少数族裔愿意并自由地生活在白人占多数的国家，该国家根据需要提供教育，保健，社会服务和福利金。 确实，不仅怪异，而且显然是完全错误的。 政府调查显示，黑人公民在英国有很强的归属感，实际上比白人公民要小得多，这使人们对大规模移民的影响产生了有趣的论点。
考官倾向于偏爱平均成绩，不想脱颖而出，质疑自己的成绩，仅在学生表现要求时才从该平均成绩上调或调低。 这些小组的平均数将非常大程度地表明，可以说黑加勒比海地区很难理解事物。 但是，它与印度次大陆的结果并不十分吻合，因此它似乎是故事的一部分，但并非全部。
• 在 6 个族群中，黑人 A 级学生的平均分最低 (28.91)
当然，较差的健康结果可能是由许多因素造成的，包括肥胖。 重症监护室的工作人员再次注意到被带入治疗的患者肥胖。 媒体报道中总是提到这个非常明显的因素，但通常不会出现在头条新闻中。 一个群体的健康状况可能在很大程度上受到他们自身行为的影响。 英国的估计是，许多人的健康状况不佳是由于普通人群的行为选择不当所致。
至于有争议的医学试验，他们是在谈论塔斯基吉吗？ 讲述这个故事的方式是，要么给黑人带来梅毒，要么尽管他们患有梅毒，但黑人更可能拒绝接受治疗，只是为了使疾病的自然发展成为无能为力和死亡，所有这一切都是出于对疾病的迷恋。疾病和完全无视黑人的生命。 如果是这样，这种恐惧肯定会在公众意识中徘徊，并且可以解释不愿意去医院，去看医生，自愿接受研究以及可能不愿接受疫苗接种的原因。 如果是这样的话，也许已经为1932年发生了一些准备，并且已经采取了一些措施来防止这种药物变态的再次发生。
所有这一切可能一事无成。 大多数人最终可能会接种疫苗。 如果他们能出席他们接受的任命，那就太好了。
There are many aspects of society in which Black and Pakistani/Bangladeshi people don’t pull their weight. The point is frequently made, rather loudly, but worded differently so that the white population is blamed for it.
A friend of a friend was talking about the problems of take-up in his homeland where the followers of the Prophet predominate. Some, he said, object on the grounds of the well-known alcohol content of the vaccine, some because of its pork content. But most object because of the chips. Naughty Mr Gates, eh?
It’s easy to feel superior to people plagued by such idiotic superstitions but are they essentially different from Guardian readers?
No benefits from Israel’s vaccination program so far.
They shouldn’t be a big deal if the U.K. is still a First World country that can manufacture dry ice and refill containers after receipt and then every 5 days. Not to mention for each one have at least one out of the four contacts pay attention to calls and text messages from the monitoring devices in the boxes, although those do have to be entered into the system in the first place.
I think you know even less about the immune system than I do, which is not much, so I would say big doses of humility might be in order. Pfizer/BioNTech is obviously taking the safe route for both efficacy and safety, “we didn’t think about this, we didn’t test this, we don’t know what will happen if you try it, you’re on your own.”
So we’ll see as the U.K. tries a grand experiment of the sort you’re fond of, this one probably pretty safe and may have a very big payoff, although that might need cementing with third doses when they’ll still be in short supply. Or third and fourth later. On the other hand, I’ve just heard a first bit of news that Moderna’s vaccine might be less effective against the South African mutation, and it’s always been in the cards that we might need two or more rounds of vaccinations until the virus runs out of ways to outfox our adaptive immune system, an inherent danger from a novel virus.
It’s very likely one of the reasons to do this is to get the most out of the Oxford vaccine, which is disappointing “when used as directed,” but will likely work better if there’s a longer gap between doses. Janssen’s backup plan for two doses of the same sort of thing is an eight week interval, but in Oxford’s Phase I/II trial they tried that sort of interval, so maybe that’s why the U.K. is trying up to another four weeks. For details on what happened in that trial see the first paper at the bottom of that link, in the “Additional Information:” section.
Not being a HBD nerd, I have to say a Citation Needed here. For example, “mad” includes people just not thinking straight because of several disorders, some of which can only be mitigated with drugs, something my mother witnessed during her career as a nurse in the 1950s, others 能够 be addressed through talking therapy. So I’d guess from first principles the not so grievously “mad” might well be indicators for the population as a whole, after you remove from your estimations the ones with frankly broken minds absent medication.
Except what does it say when these are not superstitions but flatly wrong? Which vaccines have ethanol in them? Neither of Moderna or Pfizer/BioNTech. Where on earth is pork being used in the production? Again, for those vaccines, the most sophisticated organization used is a bacteria to make lots of DNA to then be templates for mRNA.
And the chips Gates has been or might be pushing simply won’t work with the way these vaccines are being injected. One scheme uses a lot of needles unless I’m misremembering it, the standard one widely used today needs huge needles because antenna have minimum sizes, plus the device must be powered by the reader, see the whole pet and livestock chipping thing.
“Moderna 的数据（使用像辉瑞这样的 mRNA 方法）显示，在第一次注射两个月后，免疫力达到 90%。”
它没有表明这一点。 即使是“90% 有效”的说法也需要持保留态度（委婉地说），但即使是大型制药公司的数据也没有说明任何关于免疫力的内容。 它谈到减轻症状。
老实说，詹姆斯·汤普森对 C-19 的报道，尤其是疫苗数据的报道令人震惊，以至于让我回顾性地质疑他的整个工作。 真可惜。
Yeah well, I’m getting vaccinated, mostly because I am just sick of the lockdown and hope (hope) that this will lead to a return to at least sort-of normal.
But do I mindlessly believe everything that the authorities are telling us about these vaccines? No. The authorities lie about everything – yes I know, that’s a part of life, but lately in the West it has become extreme. There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Deregulating big finance won’t cause any problems. the NAFTA and MFN for China treaties won’t result in the loss of industrial jobs. Opening the borders to the overpopulated third world won’t result in massive increases in population, because anyhow the third world is about to become rich so illegal immigration will stop of its own accord. Don’t wear surgical masks because they don’t work. Letting big companies form monopolies won’t cause prices to increase. VIOXX is safe. Oxycontin is not addictive. Why the D68 enterovirus that was previously all but unknown in the US suddenly hit US schoolchildren all over the country is a total mystery, and can have nothing to do with the sudden importation of thousands of Central American refugees (where D68 is endemic) and sticking them in middle and lower class schools all over the nation. Stopping people from flying here on planes where the coronavirus is pandemic won’t slow its spread here and would be racist. Russia hacked the 2016 presidential election. And so on.
If there is a problem with these vaccines, it is highly likely we won’t be told the truth. For example: an estimated 10-30 million Americans have have gotten a polio vaccine that was contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40). Did this have any bad long-term effects? We will, I suspect, never know.
I hope that the people making the vaccine have paid at least some attention to quality control and testing, but it’s a calculated risk on my part.
It’s not about my knowledge of science or lack thereof. It’s about the established authorities being so careless of throwing their credibility away that they don’t have much left, and whether in our calculations we are willing to roll the dice on a vaccine or not.
Honestly, your demand that Mr. Thompson be omniscient is so egregious I’m inclined to dismiss everything you say. I’m also impressed with the arrogance of the author of the blog posting you link to. Yes, he’s an editor of the fourth highest impact general medical journal, but to take just one thing that leapt out at me from their Wikipedia entry, they’ve very big on “evidence-based medicine” That is, the style of “practicing medicine” that puts entities like his BMJ at the top of the pecking order despite biomedical research’s terrible replication crisis, and is intended to dispense with what doctors actually learn from practicing medicine on real patients. To put it a different way, I’d likely be dead now if that system ruled in the US (you know, the whole “off label” prescribing thing?), and I can see why he has such an attitude when the world doesn’t follow his centralized top down demands.
但你确实为讨论带来了一些新的和有趣的东西， 汤普森先生大概是新手, so it’s worth examining. My quick 100,000 foot look is that it’s not the silver bullet you appear to think it to be, and your claims do not stand up to examination: “even the Big Pharma data says nothing whatsoever about immunity.” 除了，你知道的，血清学测试？ 整个没有得到中国确认有症状的COVID-19？ “It talks about reduction of symptoms.” is both true for the studies that have gotten enough serious cases, which was only maybe true for Moderna as of November 30th, and otherwise obviously bogus, unless you’re referring to 不能 getting PRC confirmed symptomatic COVID-19 counting as a “reduction of symptoms,” if you looked at that in a particularly squirrelly way. (Does British English use that metaphor?)
I’ll have more to say about this probably tomorrow, but for now I’ll note the biggest point about there being so many unconfirmed suspected cases that are fairly evenly distributed seems to be very well answered by the “Best” comment by Alexander van Akkooi.
I was just about to say the exact same thing (seriously – well almost the same, something like: 哎哟).
I wrote a long rejoinder to you on a Steve thread, but I don’t see it (maybe going on about Xi too much). To summarize what is pertinent here: a lot of top British experts are saying the ‘give everybody the first dose is the priority’ policy is a mistake. They also want to reduce the allowable time between doses back down to the original 3 weeks instead of 12. There is also worry at people thinking that the first dose gives them a substantial amount of immunity. It does, but only after 2-3 weeks. If millions of people who have had the first shot of the vaccine then immediately stop distancing, Covid will rapidly spread to those who haven’t had even the first vaccination, and things will get out of control. Basically, people have to be encouraged to be vaccinated by telling them the vaccine is excellent, but they also must be dissuaded from acting on that for a three week lockdown. Modelling and lab tests suggest that the new variants’ spread seem to be best explained by them simply being better at reinfection of those who have already had Covid-19. So a variant that can get past the B cell produced antibodies from a prior Covid-19 infection could quite conceivably get past the antibodies from a vaccine. There is still the other part of immunity: the T cell response.
Tuskegee may not even be foremost in their minds.
Most “Europeans” (whites) recall only the South Africans’ so-called conspiracy theories about Ebola. But the most through historical work to date attributes human Ebola to a reckless Wistar Institute vaccine trial. Awareness of this is a cultural difference because the most highly trained Europeans get trained by sucking up to their thesis advisors, and therefore certain kinds of critical thinking do not pay. And they weren’t there in Congo to see what happened.
I agree with you that it has had no benefit, but I wouldn’t say it has been without effect.
Thousands of Israelis Tested Positive for Coronavirus After First Vaccine Shot
COVID Cases Rise in Israel Despite Successful Vaccine Rollout
Top health official: 17% of new serious COVID cases got first vaccine shot
Recently vaccinated people spread disease and should quarantine for a month.
“This analysis of published reports found a significant excess risk of SV40 associated with human primary brain cancers, malignant mesotheliomas, bone cancers, and Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma compared to control samples. Therefore, the major types of human malignancies associated with SV40 are the same as those induced by SV40 in animal models.”
“Mounting evidence indicates that SV40 is a human pathogen, and current molecular biology, pathology, and clinical data, taken together, show that SV40 is significantly associated with and may be functionally important in the development of some human malignancies.”
I am sure much of this is just usual winter deaths spike and the government’s aggressive coding of deaths as covid, but this does need explaining.
Anyway an NHS doctor I jnow here in London has already said they have seen a drop off now, again I assume that is herd immunity, less vulnerable and perhaps even the vaccine. Government rhetoric is not matching up to the situation they are seeing.
Doubts about the efficacy of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine for those over 65
From DW/ Germany: “The firm’s response followed reports in Handelsblatt and Bild, two German daily newspapers. Both cited unnamed members of Germany’s government as saying that the vaccine had a poor efficacy rate among people above 65. Bild put the figure at “less than 10%,” Handelsblatt at 8%. The newspapers further reported that German government officials didn’t expect the vaccine to be approved for use on over-65s by the European Medicines Agency regulator as a result.”
During two weeks 181 dead USA covid vaccine recipients, 7,844 other adverse reactions
53 dead in Gibraltar after vaccinations start
Doctors Around the World Issue Dire WARNING: DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCINE!
Fascinating link – Matt Ridley is a chap to take seriously. But he wrote that twenty years ago. Do you happen to know how his views on the topic have developed since then?
No doubt AstraZeneca will consequently volunteer not to supply any vaccine to the EU: it would be such a shame to upset Handelsblatt and Bild further.
Alas you may be right. I think it’s odds against, but you may be right.
Be sure to stay in Brabant: in Biden’s America they would presumably try to jail you.
dearieme 18, don’t know whether Ridley’s followed up. I know (1) domain experts still take his work seriously, as the link shows; and (2) it went straight into the memory hole for the public at large. *科学* will clearly never get around to looking into it (otherwise *科学* buffs might have to examine their creed from a sociological standpoint.) It’s a fascinating case involving medical experimentation on human and non-human lab animals in breach of the Nuremberg Code. The scale of it was never matched until these m-rna vaccines came out.
First a general note: a lot of people here need to learn the concept of tradeoffs, what’s behind the risk/benefit calculations people should make about getting a vaccine or waiting until they get the virus, and some people should also note this is not the 1950s, the state of the art has advanced a bit. To repeat something that shouldn’t need repeating, if you give a vaccine or any drug to millions of people, some will be maimed or killed, that’s just how this works. Same thing of course happens to people who get COVID-19, and I haven’t seen anyone even try to make a case the rates are comparable.
This would not be at all surprising from the AZ/Oxford clown show. 这张纸 published December 8th has the same numbers as used in the U.K. approval documents from which the following numbers are taken from, from four studies in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK they could muster only 5,807 subjects who got two doses of the correct size, and 5,829 controls, 30 and 101 cases respectively, for a 70% efficacy. With numbers that small, one third of the minimum study size I gather is required by the FDA, two thirds of Novavax’s U.K. trial size, you almost certainly can’t say much if anything about sub-populations like the elderly.
While I’m at it, to address our host’s thesis, 10,014 people got “any dose” (which might include the people who accidentally got a half-dose followed by a full dose, not kidding when I say clown show), and 10,000 controls, 108 vs. 227 cases, or 53% efficacy, which would be useful. Those populations 可能 also have enough serious cases to tell us something, 2 vs. 16.
Note that as the EU’s European Medicines Agency (EMA) considers this vaccine for 有条件的营销授权, their closest thing to the FDA’s Emergency Use Authorization and includes emergencies like this pandemic in its remit, they’ll have a couple more months of data from AZ/Oxford.
While I’m at it, I noticed their ClinialTrials.gov US Phase III filing is a lot more clear about what’s being done than their filings for other trials, much simpler in dosing intervals. And they’re going for a variation of the Russian approach, here a 2:1 ration of vaccine to placebo saline solution control, ~20,000 vs. ~10,000. This trial was halted for forty days as I recall based on a U.K. adverse event, with dark muttering about a lack of candor from AZ/Oxford, but in theory might be able to supply interim data for EMA decisions.
Excellent succinct assessment of our new reality.
Hello, hello. From https://lockdownsceptics.org （今天）
A report from care homes in Stockholm with Covid deaths: only 17% died of Covid (dominating cause of death); for 75%, Covid could have been a contributory factor; and for 8% , there was another cause of death entirely. This is the same percentages found in a study of care homes in another part of Sweden published in 2020.
The first group (17%), where Covid was the dominating cause of death, had the following features: before getting Covid they were in a stable condition and had few underlying diseases. The actual Covid disease was more often in two phases and the second phase was characterised by high fever and poor oxygen saturation.
In the second group (75%), where Covid was a contributory factor, the individuals where already sickly and frail. The time between the onset of symptoms and death was short, but without dramatic signs.
In the third group (8%), where there was another cause of death, the individuals had already caught Covid and recovered and then got another disease. They had a longer time between the recording of Covid infection and time of death.
I wonder how this description would compare with a description of care home deaths in a usual winter flu season.
I suppose it’s illuminating to know that only 8% of the reported care home Covid deaths had been bogus. In 75% of cases Covid was the Grim Reaper – the crop was ripe, poor souls, and he set to work with his scythe. That leaves the 17% where Covid was the solitary assassin.
I have seen no such analysis for victims from outside care homes.
Off topic but, I suppose, related to IQ: a piece in the LRB quotes part of a letter written in the thirties by the second greatest theoretical physicist which shows (it seems to me) remarkable bone-headedness.
‘I am the same ardent pacifist that I was before,’ he said to one correspondent. ‘But I believe that we can advocate refusing military service only when the military threat from aggressive dictators toward democratic countries has ceased to exist.’
Russia announces new CO-19 vaccine Epivaccorona will be launched in February.
The efficacy of Epivac shall be 100%.
It’s sad with the political types screw up messaging, although what was actually said in Russian? From what I’m reading in English, this is a claim base on the unpublished as far as ClinicalTrials.gov has been updated Phase I and II trials, and no Phase III trial registered there yet. About 100 people, 14 for a very confident Phase I with only one dose level, the remainder blind with vaccine and saline solution control arms.
It’s a very fancy variant on the protein plus adjuvant style, “chemically synthesized peptide antigens of SARS-CoV-2 proteins, conjugated to a carrier protein and adsorbed on an aluminum-containing adjuvant (aluminum hydroxide).” Peptides are very small/short sequences of amino acids like insulin, larger/longer ones are proteins.
I assume/hope they looked at what epitopes are selected by the immune system, seem to be effective, and are likely to be conserved, the latter meaning they can’t change much or “the virus won’t virus.” No reason it shouldn’t work, although currently in what should be leading candidates we’re batting 50/50 with this style, Sanofi/GSK failed to get enough of a response from the elderly and is retrying with Phase I trials soon, Novavax’s U.K. Phase III trial would appear to be promising enough for them to start a trial in the US.
Matches well with the IQ scores of those people:
In 2011 there was a study ‘Porphyromonas gingivalis enzymes enhance infection with human metapneumovirus in vitro ‘. People in care home oft times have a touch of dementia. Those with Alzheimer’s have on average had fewer teeth in their 60s, and Alzheimer’s patients’ brains contain p gingivalis and residual genetic material from this bacteria in the specific regions (hippocampus, cerebral cortex) where neuron loss is greatest in Alzheimer’s. See https://seekingalpha.com/article/4398139-cortexyme-fresh-perspective-in-alzheimers
This may differ for the young and the old. Young people have a low risk of dying from Covid-19 but what if the vaccine has been killing some of them? And old people dying after the vaccine, well, they may have been on their way out anyway due to old age and other health problems. It’s not easy to make a judicious decision based on what we’re being told so far.
I would think that the Tholidomide babies scandal is far more in the minds of British people wary of Big Pharma than the Tuskegee project.
Or just don’t have much hard data yet. Although there’s also no reason to believe young people also won’t have lower risks of dying from vaccines, especially since we’re not going very “young” any time soon as far as I know. Down to 16 in the US based on extrapolation of data down to age 18 for Pfizer/BioNTech, and Moderna’s doing a clinical trial down to 12. But very very few people under 20 will be high priority unless they have comorbidities and thus different tradeoffs.
High quality phase IV “post-marketing” data is hard to generate, because you have to tease out what I’ll call actuarial really bad “adverse events,” (AEs), the latter the name for general bad stuff happening after someone takes a vaccine, actuarial being “natural” stuff that would or might have happened anyway, vs. AEs caused by the vaccine. Sometimes it’s easy, anaphylaxis within 30 minutes of inoculation, but on the other hand that’s always in the cards after getting vaccinated so we are or should be well prepared for it. And the vast majority of people getting that from the mRNA vaccines have already experienced it with something else, a lot were already carrying their own epipens.
For the stuff most of us worry about, we’re not going to get anything resembling hard data for some time after an AE, because that requires real work from doctors and regulators. Instead we have the usual scare stories from anti-vaxxers that circling back to my main point completely disregard any benefit from the vaccines, they just don’t believe in risk/benefit analysis. Nature is good even when it kills or maims us, vaccines are bad even when they save us from either, with or without bad side effects.
Weasel word “bad” because a whole lot of things labeled as side effects, even some ones scored as “serious” might not be reasonably scored as 侧 effects when you are after all poking at the immune system with a stick. So everything from pain at the site of the injection, well, that can just be simple trauma, to pretty rare lymphadenopathy, AKA swelling of lymph nodes is not statistically unexpected, is once you get over is perhaps a sign you got properly immunized. And perhaps not, maybe your innate immune system that does not generate memories took care of it.
About the only thing I’m willing to say right now is that with 23.5 million total mRNA vaccine doses administered in the US, 3.5 million of those second doses, we’ve not seen any major bad patterns except for anaphylaxis which I’m not sure even counts as “major” in numbers. There is one huge lot of Modern’s vaccine that’s come under suspicion, but I didn’t bother to dig into it after noting all the AEs occurred at one California clinic. I’ll wait for the regulators; I’m sure there’s a common mode failure there, just strongly suspect it has nothing to do with the vaccine unless there’s some unexpected variation in a small bit of that lot.
That would be telling is here with the hasbara from your friendly AMERITHRAX/BIOTHRAX industry! Today the psycho-linguistic programming is “this is not the fifties.”
No, in the fifties US biological warfare was dropping ticks from airplanes onto Koreans. In the eighties, US biological warfare was dropping the beaker full of ticks and infecting the USA with inter alia Lyme. In the ’00s, US biological warfare was attacking legislators with weaponized anthrax and cashing in with the useless yet harmful BIOTHRAX with mass medical experimentation on soldiers without voluntary consent.
In the modern world of today, biological warfare is BWC-illegal “defensive” gain-of-function research at Burnett-Womack Building at UNC under Ralph Baric, weaponized in compartmented contract work by Battelle subs overseas; and mass medical experimentation undermining voluntary consent with ulterior constraint and coercion in breach of Nuremberg Code Article 1.
It 应该 be illegal, but has only been subject to two limited time US Federal funding moratoriums (have not heard of any actions outside the US). It’s indistinguishable from biological weapon creation research except the guys who really do that don’t publish their results in journals, it’s something only true mad scientists would do, so that trope has more than a grain of truth.
Oh, and Saint Fauci publicly supports this “research,” and after paying the Wuhan Institute of Virology to collect exotic bat viruses for 4-5 year, then paid them to do gain of function research…. The extreme resistance to even consider the possibility that the source of COVID-19 is a lab accident comes from no only the directly guilty parties, at minimum of doing something stupendously stupid, but the fear our ruling trash will realize just how dangerous this research and no doubt some other research, will then Shut It Down and in general subject them to a much tighter regulatory regime.
If it continues, we might not be as lucky next time, although lethality cuts against transmission, since dead people don’t breathe etc.
I read recently (can’t recall where) that the average length of stay for people in old-age homes was six months. So, yes, they weren’t long on this planet, anyway.
Masks, the new “duck and cover”.
Coronaviruses mutate. They’re smart. There has never been a successful, long-term vaccine against a coronavirus. Fauci is even admitting that there will be a new strain that will evade vaccines.
Coincidentally…coincidentally…(did I say “coincidentally”)…this particular drug was suddenly and quietly upgraded two days before the November 3rd election. Suspicious timing.
The other cheap, off-patent drug, which appears to be highly effective from the early to late stages, was miraculously upgraded on the day of Joe Biden’s inauguration, January 20, 2021. It can now be used by doctors.
The problem is that the FDA wanted to be able to issue EUA’s (Emergency Use Authorizations) to Big Pharma, and by law they are prevented from issuing EUA’s if there are “adequate, approved, and available alternatives”. These cheap drugs, which people have been taking for decades, would have been “available alternatives”, but Big Pharma wouldn’t have been able to make windfall profits. Decisions, decisions!
美国国立卫生研究院和其他公共卫生机构可能早就在Covid上测试了这些廉价药物的功效。 他们不是故意这样做的。 您可以理解Big Pharma不想进行测试，因为它们没有任何获利动机（因为它们是非专利药物），但是NIH可以并且应该进行了测试。 相反，他们花时间对任何提到这些廉价药物的人大喊大叫。
And now the powers that be are saying that the PCR tests are not effective because they produce too many false positives, exactly what the inventor of the PCR test and others have said all along. But these false positives served a purpose: huge numbers of infected were registered, causing fear and panic in the public. Made it easier to issue the no-liability EUA’s to Big Pharma.
Which is still relevant, as shown in that recent meteorite crash in Russia, a teacher who remember her Cold War lessons was able to keep her class from harm by following it. You live in a binary world, whereas the real one is analog, often many things between all and nothing.
Everything mutates. Coronaviruses actually have a unique among RNA viruses proofreading mechanism; if you want to attribute “smartness” to a bit of lipids, proteins, and RNA go ahead, but it doesn’t add anything to the discussion.
Your next sentence is a lie by omission, no one has ever tried really hard for a SARS like coronavirus vaccine, and the common cold ones don’t merit the effort. But Oxford’s first try, Phase I clinical trial for MERS started in December 只是 before we started learning COVID-19 was stalking Wuhan. I was able to find two other Phase I trials, an impractical US vaccine (needs a machine), and a German one which produced papers but as far as I know has not had any input into COVID-19 vaccines.
If you believe a single world coming out of Fauci “including ‘and’ and ‘the’” there’s no hope for you. But here he’s likely right, this is a 小说 virus, it’s still early in the process of adapting better to humans although it started out very suspiciously very well adapted. So we’ve long been anticipating a second or perhaps further round of vaccines will be needed until it runs out of ways it can outfox our adaptive immune systems, especially since normal public health methods like quarantine are beyond the pale xenophobia in the West.
I tracked down the latter claim and it’s a blatant lie. I guess I’ll have to track down “the powers that be” who are now claiming lots of false positives instead of my depending on the theory, that is zero time infinity is still zero. Unless it’s the WHO and CDC, see the above comments about listening to Fauci, except for the CDC’s tallying of all cause mortality, which along with hospitalization capacity are the only really solid statistics I think are worth tracking. BTW, now that we’ve been vaccinating people in my local area, while correlation does not imply causation, the number hospitalized has dropped by half in a short time, absent that vaccine intervention this was absolutely not predicted.
Another industry shill.
“WHO Finally Admits COVID-19 PCR Test Has a ‘Problem’. The WHO’s new guidance, which includes lower PCR thresholds, almost guarantees COVID “case” numbers will automatically drop dramatically around the world.
“In an “inauguration” of its own while Joe Biden was being sworn into office, the World Health Organization (WHO) initiated new rules regarding the PCR assays used for testing for COVID-19.
Even though they’ve been widely used across the U.S. and around the world to determine who has a positive case of COVID, PCR assays are not designed to be used as diagnostic tools, as they can’t distinguish between inactive viruses and “live” or reproductive ones.
Besides that, previously, the WHO had recommended 45 “amplification” cycles of the test to determine whether someone was positive for COVID or not.
The thing is, the more cycles that a test goes through, the more likely that a false positive will come up — anything over 30 cycles actually magnifies the samples so much that even insignificant sequences of viral DNA end up being magnified to the point that the test reads positive even if your viral load is extremely low or the virus is inactive and poses no threat to you or anyone else.”
WHO’s Information Notice dated January 20, 2021:
“But here he’s likely right, this is a novel virus, it’s still early in the process of adapting better to humans although it started out very suspiciously very well adapted.”
Suspiciously very well adapted. The National Institute of Health was funding that Wuhan lab, weren’t they? Fauci played a part in this. Was this why it was “suspiciously very well adapted”?
Quite recently, I put together a consortium to apply for funds to develop a small solar panel to place under the skin to power internal devices. The Russian side had the light sensitive panel and the UK side the antenna. It can be done. We didn’t get the funds. Perhaps we should apply to Gates?
There is a problem with all devices that rely on light transmission through the skin. For example, needle free diabetes monitors. There is one built into the Apple watch. It is deactivated. They all work less well on dark skin. No device manufacturer wants to bring out a device that doesn’t work for dark coloured people, just for paper whites. We had a skin “cleaning” process but this was socially problematic.
So dark skinned people are not easily microchipped even if the stories were true.
Call me pathologically suspicious, but does anyone else think that the constant focus on ‘at risk populations’ and ‘religious types’ refusing to get the vaccine is intentionally patronizing?
Maybe they’re really saying “you know all those people that you can’t admit tend to make bad decisions? They’re not taking the vaccine — so you should, because despite what you say out loud, you know you’re smarter than them.”
Devilishly clever propaganda if that’s the case.
“Why Would the US Have Funded the Controversial Wuhan Lab?
Newsweek recently put out some surprising reports that the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) had funded the controversial Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The WIV is the level four research facility suspected by some of being a possible source for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.
Anyone with a vague sense of current events would, understandably, be concerned that COVID-19 might have been produced through this research. The connections to the NIH would also be unsettling, offering the possibility that the U.S. government may be complicit, having unnecessarily “outsourced” dangerous research. Although strong denials by both Chinese and American officials and several pieces of scientific research have concluded COVID-19 is not man-made, the connection between the NIH and WIV still behooves critical examination. Why would the NIH want to fund the WIV to begin with?”
This seems to be a very important story that nobody will write: If Covid is The World’s Most Important Problem Ever, then 究竟 why can’t we make all the vaccine we need 现在可以做些什么?
What are the alleged bottlenecks and why can’t they be overcome by simply throwing money at the problem? Does it perhaps have something to do with the contracts and financial incentives of the manufacturers? Or perhaps that they are sitting on technology that they won’t license to others? Or what?
If we had an actual functioning media they might look into this. Maybe they will get on it when they can figure out how to blame Trump for whatever the facts are.
If money could fix technical manufacturing issues, Intel wouldn’t be in existential danger from mostly failing to negotiate what’s now two smaller process nodes. That’s a people problem, so see Pfizer and its Trump Deranged small hat executive(s) who absolutely refused to have anything to do with Operation Warp Speed (OWS) except for a contract for 100 million doses contingent on their getting an EUA by the end of 2020. Then in the end of 2020 they started announcing out of the blue they were going to miss their production commitments. 现在 it’s claimed they’re working with OWS to address their claimed supply chain issues, although that doesn’t seem to fix with 关闭 for a while their European manufacturing.
Otherwise you should do some more reading on this sort of thing, there are for example dependency issues, you need A to make B to make C, in the software field we like the metaphor that you can’t get a baby conceived and born in a month with nine women. You’re also 严格 instant, massive performance increases in time measured in weeks, which is not constructive.
And I’m sure there’s some stuff happens behind the scenes. For example, there’s a mandatory 14 day sterility test once a lot is finished, and if anything grows, you have to dump the whole lot. So there’s both a necessary delay there and just one thing that can cause waste. Which blinding dumping a lot of money into the problem would only increase; you want to improve things for real, put a Leslie Groves in charge. Except it seems we’re all out of them, certainly ones willing to sign up for such a job.
Or a TL;DR: addressing a plague in the middle of a civil war will never go well; here it’s first and foremost a cudgel for the Left to use against their enemies, “even libertarians.”
good comments. Cells don’t replicate faster if you pay them more.
Cells don’t replicate faster if you pay them more
Quite right – and neither do good ideas for solving manufacturing problems.
If erverything would be doable, we’d run out of problems – and would have no cure for that then. Life is strange (The world is 毛绒 | 填充 with strangeness – Goethe said that).
Thanks! Not well edited, past my bedtime. But thinking some more, the Pfizer European factory shutdown smells. The best I can guess is that something about that facility is just wrong, and requires some sort of major change.
Maybe they don’t have enough space, or the arrangement of rooms is wrong or sub-optimal, both of which should have been realized long before. Maybe the yield is disappointing, likely in the final creation step where the mRNA gets its lipid protection, or in the chain that takes that and ends up with a bunch of ultra cold frozen vials, the latter might require them to combine two facilities, but it was long known this is a particularly physically fragile vaccine. Or perhaps the facility is not sterile enough and they’re having to dump too many lots after testing, which also wastes scare bottling components. In any case, it suggests they must move or replace equipment in such a way they’re 正式 stopping production.
Weasel word because for example in the US there’s at least two Pfizer facilities involved in the manufacturing here, where “bags” of something get transported from the first to the second. For these vaccines, the steps are roughly make a lot of DNA, transcribe that into a lot of mRNA, precisely mix with lipids to get
胶束, excuse me, solid lipid nanoparticles, since the latter sounds fancy compared to what soaps and detergents do, and then bottle and freeze. And of course testing at various stages.
AZ on the other hand, if you’d like more wild guesses soon I can look up what’s required to make replication deficient viruses as your end product, otherwise I’m gating that on if/when Janssen applies for an FDA EUA for their same style vaccine, or when the FDA approves it. Which could eventually be a game changer for the US, but for now they too are having a significant production shortfall for when they’ll be able to finish their first set of 12 million doses for the US.
But it appears that vaccines DO replicate if you pay them more, even when they may be unnecessary.
Two cheap, safe, off-patent drugs were just sitting on the shelf, begging for the National Institutes of Health to test them against this coronavirus, but they chose not to.
Emergency room doctors were crying out that these drugs worked . They were fired or told to shut up.
I find it interesting that “vaccines” that never went through proper procedures (animal testing, trials) are being promoted by health authorities and sought after by the public.
They’re just accepted as a “GIVEN” now.
Goes to show that if you scare people, throw enough propaganda behind something, get industry shills to lie (or omit important information), you can sell the lie.
At the time of the referendum the Remainers assured me that I’d never even be allowed to think about anything Goethe said if the Leavers won. Nor look at a Rembrandt, nor listen to Mozart, …
Nor be able to assert that Leibniz had something to say about calculus.
Handelsblatt reports, that Germany owns decent junks of Biontec and Curevac, the two German vaccine firms (500 billion Euros have been spent so far, another 2250 billion are ready when needed to speed up the actual production of the vaccines).
Now comes the fun part: The German government decided to let the EU decide which country gets the vaccines – and when.
Italy had already a headline in the press saying: To vaccinate makes free, written over the entrance of Auschwitz on a photoshopped photograph of – the entrance door of Auschwitz indeed.
(I’m used to this kind of buffoonery, but even though – this last Italian move did hit me from below (while I was aching from laughter, ok, but nevertheless- and it sure helped Angela Merkel to make her supercautious decision in ever so submissive – European – – solidarity)).
New wild idea for why Pfizer is shutting down their plant in Belgium “to increase production capacity”: reading up on the AZ EU mess, it comes down to the EU inserting itself into a deal already in progress and adding two or more months delay, plus also insisting manufacturing be done in the EU. So in the U.K., AZ with a contract in hand had a three month head start untangling mass manufacturing, there’s always going to be snarls of one sort or another. Whereas the EU based plants, I think I read there are four of them, are the least productive ones making Oxford’s vaccine (that could should include at least trial production in the US, they worked with Operation Warp Speed and got a potentially huge order, but their US strength and hopefully competence Phase III trail has been delayed).
So now the EU, having catastrophically failed in timeliness and being willing to spend money on minor things like socialized medicine!!! (bad words of art in the US :-), and also making a huge 50% or greater bet on Sanofi/GSK which totally failed is getting very “nasty, vindictive” (Farage). And among other things threatening to keep all the vaccine Pfizer makes inside it, or maybe just embargoing shipments to the U.K. So WRT to your next post, who knows how long it will take before you can get your second dose, and that’s yet another reason for the U.K. to switch how it uses the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the government very possibly anticipated this train wreck. (Another reason? We may need a second round vaccine soon, so it could well make more sense to use up all of this first round’s doses ASAP like that.)
So back to the factory: if I was a sufficiently sinister Pfizer CEO, I might be crating up all the not easily replaced machinery, could be pretty small in volume and weight, and smuggling it outside the EU…. Although how well that might work depends on supply chains, but if you’re outside the EU’s control, you’re in a better bargaining position to get any stuff you need from inside it. On the other hand, a new or changed factory should need regulatory approval, don’t know how that works in the EU/EMA context, but the U.K. can now move relatively quickly. And is the EU the only entity that doesn’t “get” this is a seller’s market?
I presume Dr Prego Cancelo is worried that the vaccine will render women infertile!*
* due to the similarity between the protein spike against which the vaccine mobilises the immune system and a protein called syncytin-1 which at day 4 after conception is essential to placental development.
The reality is that the black population of the world has increased enormously in the last 70 years, mostly due to scientific and medical advances made by white people. Seventy years ago, the populations of Europe and Africa were the same size.
But absolutely no one in power is going to point this out.
(Another thing no one will point out is that by the early 70s, TB had been eliminated in the UK and there were no longer any “TB nurses” – until we started importing it again).
One issue with this thesis what are the effects of natural infections, in which the virus uses the very same spike protein with that same small section that’s like synctyin-1?
I’m sorry. It was a joke on her rather wonderful name.
I agree with your point. If it’s possible the vaccination stimulates the immune system to attack syncytin-1, then it’s possible actual CV19 infection could do the same.
If so it would be an amazing biological weapon that the Wuhan lab cooked up, straight out of a John Wyndham novel, and no wonder the Chinese lockdowns were so severe.
The fact is that “there is no evidence” – because while someone in the NHS will (hopefully) be looking at births (or lack of) to people who have tested positive for CV19, we weren’t doing enough testing early on, so many cases not involving hospitalisation will have been missed – and pregnancy takes nine months.
The data exists, and Public Health England will have access it to it. It would be an interesting Freedom of Information request – “How many women of child-bearing age who have tested positive for CV19 (and were not pregnant when tested) have since reported a pregnancy to their GP?=
Yes, it ought to be a seller’s market, but EU can argue that they are a very big buyer of high margin medicines, so need to be moved to the front of the queue despite being a late arrival. AstraZeneca has to decide whether to face them down.
Woops! I missed that the first time. Sorry in turn.
Although there’s no sign yet that’ll save them from their self-induced demographic crash. And if this turns out to be the case, even through I don’t think it’s a bioweapon, or at least a finished one, the long term consequences to the PRC and CCP could and should be grave.
Not sure data that raw is useful; here in the US a lot of people are said to be putting off pregnancies because of the extreme uncertainties of everything, from health, hospital capacity when going into labor, jobs and the economy, etc. You really want “how many are trying and succeeding or failing,” and that gets pretty personal.
AstraZeneca has to decide whether to face them down.
The usual behaviour in such affairs is that corporations act like cowards.
So maybe we should just nuke Berlin and Brussels. What’s the forecast wind direction?
Golly, this area doesn’t lack for twists and turns.
The results will now be submitted to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and if approved, the jab will become the fourth available for use in Britain.
Britain has already secured 60 million doses of the vaccine, which will be produced at Stockton on Tees.
I’m sure a lot of people are putting off babies because of economic uncertainty, but there still should be enough pregnancies to disprove (or prove) the idea.
I know for a fact that some young women in the care/health sectors are refusing the vaccine because of fertility fears. You’d think that governments would publicise post-infection or post-vaccination pregnancies to allay these fears.
btw, I wouldn’t worry about the Chinese demographic crash – there are still an awful lot of them, and making babies is an enjoyable process, even if raising them’s more challenging.
Yes, good news, and a very clear advantage to Britain. Once we have vaccinated the priority groups (say by mid February) we can then do all adults over 55, and should be able to vaccinate the remaining adults by late summer at the very latest.
Sorry – millions, not billions – millions of Euro: 500 – and 250 more to secure production.
Ah, yeah, I kinda blipped over that units error.
But I’m making this comment to emphasize that money is a necessary but not sufficient part of increasing production, you also need many other things like competence and supply chains, even if you just have to build more of the latter than you’d like to. And for things like glass vials, you’re just going to have to place orders with existing vendors, unless you think this is going to be a long game and you want another source.
Probably easier to do like Operation Warp Speed (OWS) and pay someone like Corning … ha ha, the memory holing of Trump is on full blast, the US Health and Human Services (HHS) department page on OWS has been purged, but from memory it was $204 million for a special kind of glass for vials, I think 点击例子. I know there are some good glass makers in the EU like Arcoroc, so I’d hope there’s at least one specialist in this sort of thing there.
Anyway, the TL;DR is that there’s lots of moving parts making vaccines, you need to cover them all as OWS tried from primary drug companies like Moderna down to the supply chains they depend on (Pfizer refused their help until after multiple production delays, we’ll see what actually happens). And to avoid making this too US centric in benefits, the more we expand our own internal capacity, the less we depend on stuff from the outside, and we should reach a tipping point sometime this year where our big multiple parallel bets allow us to export vaccines because we’ll have taken care of our own needs.
With all of the evidence pointing to Covid as being nothing more than the flu, and the overwhelming number of doctors who strongly discourage taking ANY mRNA vaccine – you feel the need to get vaccinated. (and btw, mRNA payloads are not classified as vaccines, neither by Pfizer, Moderna, Astrazeneca). At any rate, good luck to you.
return to at least sort-of normal.
Sir, you are just getting started. They will give you this vaccine and there will be endless “booster” shots in the future. You’ll need the latest booster shot to get anything done or do anything. When they’re done with you, one of the booster shots will kill you.
As someone who has investigated every repurposed drug, OTC drug, vitamin and mineral supplement, and herbal preparation that has been proposed in the Third World medical literature for Covid treatment and prophylaxis, I believe that the European and North American medical establishments’ willingness to let hundreds of thousands die rather than adopting 早期治疗 protocols available in May last year, and improving constantly since then, disallows any trust in Big Medicine.
The crime against humanity described above is a far greater perversion of medicine than even the horrific Tuskegee experiment. The physicians behind Tuskegee made a single decision not to treat and subsequently were not confronted about it. In 2020 Big Medicine actively fought against proposed early treatments, knowing all the time that its policy was causing death and economic devastation. It perverted journal editorial policies, spread anti-treatment stories to the media, failed to initiate trials of promising treatments, and harassed physicians who were using off-label drugs for Covid.
Given Big Medicine’s recent perversion, any careful person would review a lot of evidence before taking its vaccine.
Oh. My. Gawd.
Thompson has obviously not twigged to the fact that there is no virus!
这真的很简单。 No SARS-CoV-2 virus has ever been laboratory isolated, [ as the CDC, Pfizer, and others have all now admitted], and therefor, no effective vaccine can ever be invented to combat it!
“When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.”And there we are, right back where I started, some time ago. If you don’t have the isolated virus, how can you claim you’ve sequenced it? And if you’ve sequenced it by ASSUMPTION and GUESS, how can you claim the sequence—or the virus—is real?” See: The “Covid Virus Is Real” Scam:
This is easy to tackle. Make it illegal to provide healthcare services to people who refuse being vaccinated. You don’t play by the rules of civilization, you don’t reap it’s benefits.
There are millions of doctors on this planet, you’ll find an overwhelming number of quacks supporting any assertion
99.6% recovery rate.
Average age of death: 82
Masks cause people to be in danger of bacterial infections.
There is no such thing as asymptotic transmission.
The face diaper is a muzzle and the purpose is control and humiliation.
I learned not to touch my face decades ago.
We are surrounded by sheep.
The wind direction is towards you sucking Belgian d*ck until you choke on it.
“So, intended vaccination rejection by ethnicity is: Black 70%, Pakistani/Bangladeshi 30%, Indian 16%, White 14%.”
Most likely, the only reason for Indians coming in at higher number than White is that among those Indians from India are Muslims included in their count otherwise, that percentage should be lower than 14%.
And the reason Bangladeshis are doing so well educationally is because they didn’t convert their language to the Arabic script but retained the Devanagari (Hindu) script of their forebears, notwithstanding their Islamic faith, unlike the idiots of Pakistan (now they’re just as dumb as the Arabs).
消灭老年人的疫苗，以挽救腐败的政府雇员，大学教授和医疗黑手党！ 我们不能有23万高薪的政府雇员和未工作的老年人！ 您是宁愿，挽救老年人，还是继续为拒绝工作而不遵守宪法的腐败，无能，懒惰的政府雇员支付过多的费用？
他们的人生是危害人类罪！ MICIMATT InfraGard腐败邪教！
好吧，毫无疑问地，这种疫苗正在杀死更多的人，比他们报告的要多，因为到16年2020月2,487,350日，每年的总死亡人数为16,2020，直到2.7年2.9月2015日。 在2019年至22,2021年期间，每年的总死亡人数为3.2万至16,2020万。据22,2021年712,650月XNUMX日，他们报告说，美国的总死亡人数为XNUMX万。 因此，在XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日至XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日之间，有XNUMX人死亡。 因此，医疗错误再次成为美国第三大死亡原因，但他们声称这是合情合理的。 是他们对covid的治疗和预防所导致的死亡要比covid多得多！ 当然，他们声称Novemeber的数字可能不准确，因为政府雇员几乎不可能计数超过XNUMX万并在第一时间把它弄对。 只是期望政府雇员的能力远远超出他们的能力！
You’d have to be a lunatic to believe that a rushed to market “vaccine”, that skipped animal trials and was indemnified by the authorities over any adverse reactions… like…eh… killing you, would help in any way. Talk about the blind leading the blind.
Never let it be said that Ron Unz lacks a sense of humor, publishing this article one day after Nick Kollerstrom’s!
Using the word “trust” in the same sentence, or even article, as vaccine, medical community, or my new favorite obscenity, “medical ethics” is just hilarious.
“The rest of the story” on the attempt to turn us all into human GMO’s, not just the propaganda B.S. you get from articles like this and the global 卧推.
Yet another government / big pharma worshiping idiot bites the dust. [A good way to get rid of idiots, I suppose]: “Cali. X-ray tech “excited” to get shot dies after receiving 2nd dose of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine”:
“On Tuesday, Orange County x-ray technician Tim Zook, 60, was reportedly thrilled to receive the second round of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, posting on his Facebook wall, “Never been so excited to get a shot before. I am now fully vaccinated after receiving my 2nd Pfizer dose…But just hours later, Zook began experiencing severe adverse reactions in the form of abdominal pain and difficulty breathing.“His health spiraled downward and he died four days later,” reports Fox 32 Chicago…..”
Again, masks end when blacks decide they are tired of wearing them. This will likely start in the fall when kids go back to school and school administrators are still trying to enforce daily mask wear (as they are now in schools that are already back, but it is mainly white schools in rural areas that are back now).
By fall, if and when the majority of schools are back in session, there is no way on the earth black kids are going to wear masks all day–especially as it makes talking loudly, hootin’ and hollerin’ in the hallways and all that jazz, much more difficult and subdued. Their disposal of the face diapers will not be subject to discipline, and because it will be out in the open and plain for all to see (unlike discipline records, low grades and rape records, all covered under “privacy” laws), eventually none of the kids will wear them, unless they really want to, or their parents are making a big deal about them wearing them (notifying the school, etc).
This all could end if Blacks (and probably Latinos) just said they were “too tired” of all this pandemic and started violating the mandates whenever they wanted.
Strange assertion. Iranians/Persians are the most successful, educated & creative Islamic people- and they adopted a modified Arabic script.
From what I know, Iranians would be better off if they decided to ditch the Arabic script & either re-introduce their ancient script, or adopt a slightly modified Roman one, better suited for that Indo-European language. But, it’s up to them …
We’d have to be a lunatic to believe someone who’s claims are based on lies like any of these vaccine skipping animal testing.
Now, BioNTech and Moderna did famously start their animal and human trials at the same time which paid off fantastically, based on a lot of prior research into vaccines by them, and by a lot of people into SARS type vaccines, but why would it be vaguely credible they’d skip required animal testing all together.
I’m not sure being harmed or even killed by a severely under tested vaccine falls into the category of a 得益 . From what I’m seeing, you uninformed folks who take the jab will be needing all that extra medical care afforded you by following the rules of civilization.
People who wanna get vaccinated should, and the rest of us who dont should be allowed to take our life into our own hands. Our choice. Im getting daily sublight, zinc, and ginger and going about the business of life. We have lost a full year that we can never get back.
In the US it is White liberals that are most susceptible to the MSM fear campaign and allowing it to impact their daily lives. They seem to not notice for the mist part that the other ethnic groups are going about there social lives just fine with no catastrophe. Naturally these people want the shot so ” COVID can be over.” For the less trusting populations COVID has already been over for months so why sign on to be Big Pharma’s Guinea pig? Plenty of dumb Whites to do that for them.
The City hospital is just a 10 minute drive away. I pass there on a regular basis to do my chores and there is less activity than before the virus propaganda began. Staff have been sent home as there is no work to be done. There are security guards at the emergency entrance but what are they guarding ? Who are they keeping out ? There is no traffic going into the hospital.
January to March 2020 Emergency vehicle sirens blaring every hour were part of the city scope. Now there is silence.
Single masks dont work
Double masks dont work
Social distancing does not work
Lockdowns do not work
Vaccines it seems do not work
Second doses are required
Are people dying from the vaccines ?
Now there is a slowdown in vaccine production ?
And a slowdown in delivering the vaccines ?
What a colossal sham ! Now it looks like neighbours are snitching on neighbours and family members on each other. The Police, instead of chasing violent criminals are showing up at Grandpa’s birthday to arrest everyone and drag them into courts already overburdened by violent bad boys and girls.
Somehow it seems to me that this “virus” has slipped the leash and escaped the control of the powers that be. Being the hoax it is and was meant to be there are just too many variables to control. The dog now runs the owner.
What a God awful mess.
如果是这样， the worst flu pandemic since 1918-19, several times worse than the late 1950s and 1960s ones, and with attitudes like your’s, we might just exceed the Spanish flu even after adjusting for population.
An obvious lie, seeing as how AZ has no mRNA vaccine. You’re also grossly ignorant of how live virus vaccines like AZ/Oxford’s work, they’re all means to an end of generating mRNA that is transcribed into desired virus proteins, simulating as closely as possible an actual wild type virus infection.
Learn some molecular genetics before repeating stuff you know nothing about. As a start, DNA->mRNA->proteins, how the AZ/Oxford, Janssen (J&J) and Sputnik V adenovirus vector vaccines work. mRNA vaccines skip the step of splicing DNA that codes for the spike protein into replication deficient DNA virus vectors, are conceptually the simplest COVID-19 vaccines along with or after the PRC inactivated virus vaccines, one of which is claiming good results. Or just wait for Novavax’s protein plus adjuvant vaccine, or maybe Sanofi/GSK will get their attempt at such a vaccine to work by the end of this year.
I would just agree, but I am out of agrees again, for you and Publius and onebornfree…..
There is no point in continually citing the facts and making good points to the collection of hysterical cowards and low grade morons who have 100% bought into the Covid Idiocy. They made a permanent move to their new address and they cannot, and will not, ever find their way back from the land of hysterical cowards. The first necessary step would be to admit that they have been had, they have been afraid, and they have been used for months now. This they can never do, BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY TOO MONUMENTALLY PRIDEFUL TO DO SO. It is not for nothing that Pride is the worst sin, that feeds all others.
But be of good cheer! A year from today there will be more people of Reason, and far fewer people of Cowardice, then there are today. And as for all of the truly invincible fools lining up to get the “vaccine”, in the immortal words of Vilos Cohaagen:
“Fuck ’em. Let ’em die.”
The facts were there. They were told.
A blatant lie, for example see here to get the CDC’s finest cultures of the virus.
Of course not, because that’s not needed when you can develop your vaccine candidate over a weekend like Moderna from PRC published mRNA sequences, which of course came from viruses isolated from infected people. You’ve got a literally pre-1953 understanding of molecular genetics. It would also be malpractice to for example not add some “some molecular twist ties” to the spike protein to avoid antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).
And in general, the anti-vaxxers here need to learn the concept of risk/benefit tradeoffs.
Genetically altering your cells to provoke your immune system… what could go wrong?
Imagine a vacinne so safe you will be forced to take it for a virus so deadly you must be tested to even know you have it.
And thanks for the free pharmaceutical sales pitch, James Thompson. The UK is a bizarre cult, like a woke version of North Korea. The British always seem the most bigoted and puritanical adherents to globohomo extremism. It’s like the BBC is the de facto state religion of these debased and degenerate people. They just haven’t been the same since they collaberated with communists and fire bombed Dresden.
Isn’t Pfizer currently working on an updated vaccine due to concerns that the current one won’t work on new mutations of Covid? If so, what exactly is the point of the vaccine? Submission? It seem the J&J one doesn’t require freezing and is one jab. Despite only having a 66% effectiveness, it apparently lessens the symptoms and hospitalization. In other words a vaccine that sounds like it works with your immune system. Personally I avoid vaccines, and pharmaceutical medicine in general, but that J&J one intrigues me the most. My fearless prediction is it will never get approval for distribution. Someone spent money on creating this viral critter. Probably not for the reason of boosting the immune system. But hey good luck on getting trust of the plan…I mean vaccine.
With that level of paranoia, you’re going to die as soon as you get a bacterial infection and refuse to take an antibiotic because, somehow, you’re important enough for the powers that be to want you dead.
But in terms of “booster” doses, our adaptive immune system is smart enough to prepare for new mutations so we shouldn’t need many, this is fortunately not the flu which manages to evade our adaptive immune system locking onto “conserved” epitopes (small parts) of proteins. Conserved for the purposes of immunity means they can’t change much or “the virus won’t virus.” For enzymes a good analogy is their being a lock into which a key must fit more or less precisely.
And to repeat from the most recent topic of Mr. Thompson’s, that above link points to perhaps my most important COVID-19 posting ever: There’s every sign at this point that for those of us willing to take vaccines and for whom they work the nightmare will be over fairly soon as novel pathogen pandemics go.
I need only repeat a comment on Mr. Thompson’s most recent topic: This lie again? Please explain how the fundamental paradigm of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins gets reversed with mRNA vaccines. For extra credit, think about how every live virus vaccine is a means to an end of generating mRNA to then make one or more viral proteins. For even more credit, explain how mRNA vaccines are uniquely capable of changing your DNA compared to getting a wild type RNA virus infection.
Because we never test people in a clinical setting to know if they’ve got a more serious case of the flu or just “the common cold” from one of it 200 other virus strains?
You say: “A blatant lie, for example see here to get the CDC’s finest cultures of the virus.”
The CDC says the virus isn’t “currently available.”
“The CDC document is titled, “CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It was originally published in February, 2020, and re-published in July.
Buried deep in the document, on page 39, in a section titled, “Performance Characteristics,” we have this:
“Since no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV [SARS-CoV-2] are currently available, assays [diagnostic tests] designed for detection of the 2019-nCoV RNA were tested with characterized stocks of in vitro transcribed full length RNA…”
Read em’ and weep folks…
Summary/Compilation of Adverse Reactions to COVID19 Vaccines
They don’t have to know the truth about the Tuskeegee Experiments … the fact that it is in the folklore suffices.
But as I posted elsewhere on UR …
至于部署这些疗法的地方的病例数和死亡人数增加，我们感到惊讶的是，过去在动物试验失败后，停止了多次尝试“ mRNA疫苗”的尝试。 对第一个SARS-Cov vaxx的最烦恼的解释是，随着问题的解决，进行这种方法并不经济，而且也没有提到死者试验动物。
关于遗传影响的最有趣的“专家”评论来自 Free Introduction，在J帖子中：
In hackerspace, this would be called a “bad USB.” I realise he is dumbing things down for the proles, but I can’t help but wonder if he is really telling the truth … they aren’t changing our cells’ genetic code per se, they’re just hijacking the “processors” like ribosomes and tRNA that interpret and run the code and thus screwing with what amino acids are converted by the cells into proteins.
我对这一问题的政治反应的看法是，它已经远远超出了失误，并且在这一点上故意是错误的，构成了危害人类罪。 在这种情况下，“疫苗”就像约瑟夫·曼格勒博士的实验； 只是更大的罪行的一小部分。
Lucy, you got some ‘splainin to do!!!!!!
Covid-19 aka certificate of vaccination identification -19 , has never been isolated and even the CDC and the WHO admits it has never been isolated, ie it does not exist, it is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and in fact is a genocide agenda.
The mRNA vaccines permanently alter the human DNA and it destroys the immune system and has never been approved by the FDA. These vaccines are a Jim Jones population reduction tool for the globlists who are behind this demonic , diabolic, draconian agenda.
There are no shortages, this a psyop to stampede the sheeple into taking these genocide vaccinations.
What people need to learn, or rather re-learn, is the fundamental medical principle: Primo non nocere! – First do not do harm!
Do not operate on a patient who have a chance to live longer without this operation, do not give drugs to treat minor ailments when those drugs will cause major ones, do not perform torturous procedures to someone who is dying….
Do not do harm even to justify “trade offs”.
Thanks for that. Assuming you haven’t seen it yet, you might like Catherine Austin Fitts heavily banned “Planet Lockdown”, where she gives an excellent overview of what the real purpose of what she calls “the magic virus” actually is.
Although I know that you already know that real purpose [as do I], still, she gives an excellent presentation- very clear , friendly, and easy to understand.
Video “Planet Lockdown”: https://banned.video/watch?id=6015f75af3a1931739667ce6
Now english is not my native language, but what does this sentence tell me?
So in rejecting the vaccination I have an afinity with dump black people? I am as okay with it as could be.
@“作为对第三世界医学文献中提出的用于 Covid 治疗和预防的所有再利用药物、OTC 药物、维生素和矿物质补充剂以及草药制剂进行调查的人，”
2）伊维菌素+阿兹特。 认识接受它并看到缓解的人。 第 12 天和第 1 天 2 毫克 Iver。500 毫克 Azyt 三天。
4）HCQ + azit。 HCQ 200 毫克，每天 3 次。 Azit，第 500 天 1 毫克，接下来三天加 250 毫克。 原始协议。 我认识一位（不是天真的）伟大的内科医生，他因为感染了新冠病毒而被 HCQ 推迟了，尝试了 HCQ + azyt，但仍然得了肺炎。 然而，他每天服用 200 mg Hcq，良好的预后与开始方案第 2 天的 HCQ 浓度有关。
The only thing actually stated that the vaccine may do is a possible reduction of symptoms–nothing as to transmission etc.–why do nearly all articles, this one included, boldly mistate this fact clearly stated by the disclaimers given by the companies themselves?–These vaccines will not stop you catching or passing CVirus on — yet nearly universally this is stated in all articles — flat out mass misrepresentation– What is up with that?
Gates clearly said the “vaccines” are for depopulation — why not believe him? I do.
Who has never heard of a thing called a calendar and can’t be bothered to follow links, I reinserted the one from my original:
From that CDC page:
Which of course none of us meet, active scientists being too busy to fight trolls on the Internet. And let me quote the critical timeline:
Back to @onebornfree and his NPC cut and paste job from some COVID-19 truther ur document, note the explanations in square brackets:
These two sources are obviously out of sync, but that’s because they’re from different parts of the CDC, and no one in the making tests part thought to update the July version on this matter until nutters decided it represented the ultimate truth about the virus for the entire world (hint, countries closer to the PRC isolated it before the CDC did). If you look 在 当前 修订版“CDC-006-00019，修订版：06 ... 生效日期：12 年 01 月 2020 日，” 它说得很清楚：
And that version 1 was first published February 4th, the day the FDA granted the CDC an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to provide their test to others, with the document’s drafting obviously starting earlier. Because if you look up the CDC’s timeline of their over complicated and low quality diagnostic test, they started like everyone else in the world immediately after the PRC published the first sequences of the virus on January 10th.
Well, this being the Federal Government and the CDC, perhaps they started on the following Monday the 13th by which point Moderna had their vaccine candidate from the same PRC sources. So they had their test running in their own lab in January and 21日从现场发现了他们的第一个阳性样本, when indeed “no quantified virus isolates of the 2019-nCoV [were] available” to them, that sample providing their very first one.
What makes you perpetuate a lie, using an old revision of a document, and after being told it’s a lie with a link to prove it? This goes beyond mere ignorance.
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/cro/roche-and-genentech-acquire-unlimited-access-to-open-monoclonal-technology-s-omnirat%C2%AE OmniRat® is the industry’s first fully human monoclonal antibody technology based on rats. OMT, in collaboration with Pfizer, has demonstrated that OmniRat has a complete immune system with diverse antibody repertoire and generates antibodies with human idiotypes as robustly as a wild-type animals make rat antibodies (Journal of Immunology 2013 Feb 15; 190(4):1481-90). There is also OnmiMouse and OmniChicken DO NOT GET TESTED ( you can not trust the test kits either, who knows what is on those swabs ) OR VACCINATED Has anyone looked into Hydro Gel, tree of life organism classification where Humans are placed with reptiles and birds, they are altering their classification systems to include genetically modified trans-species and Humans are one of the trans-spiecies. How about smart dust and nano particles, this type of stuff could be placed in vaccinations also.
That you’re a dishonest hack, because the full quote is, with the critical two words you clipped emphasized:
It never ceases to amaze me that people blatantly lie when their lies are internally inconsistent, here it taking but a moment to find the original quote using your browser’s search feature.
Those refusing the vaxine would seem to be the high IQ.
Those refusing the vaxine will need protection from
the guinea pigs like humans need protection from zombies.
Keep the pigs in lock up, lock down, quarantine.
The whole virus and governments’ reactions to it are a complete and utter fraud.
Using publicly available statistics, the U.S. state I live in has “suffered” a 0.16% death rate, about twice as bad as the 2018 flu season, mostly in the over 75 age range. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands have lost their jobs, thousands of businesses have been closed, the suicide rate is up, and the overdose rate is up. Most of these affect young people, who will never recover their financial and social standing for the rest of their lives. The legacy costs of the shutdowns will stretch for thirty years or more. Pile on top of that the loss in civil rights.
The absolute hilarious thing about this, all of the Left’s favorite pets, like negros and other brown-skinned hominids, have suffered the worst from the lock downs. Absolutely hilarious.
Updated numbers for Gibraltar:
Meanwhile in Ireland, the first vaccine was administered on December 29th. The spike in fatalities from early January onwards is clearly related to Christmas holiday socialising, alcoholism, excessive festive cheer and not the vaccination.
Because most of us aren’t liars like you are?
Except of course the dead test animals were publicized in some fashion, such that it became general knowledge in the community so it could work smarter in following attempts? We now know why it failed and how to avoid that problem, a story that starts back in the 1960s when a similarly crude, dead simple inactivated virus vaccine for RSV put 80% of the infants who later got RSV in the hospital and killed two of them. This is something you’re apparently unaware of, the scientific process by which results good and sometimes bad get published or for the latter often less formally discussed, and scientists work hard to improve the fraction of good results.
How can you get all of this, assuming you’re not another NPC cut and paster, and not realize this is exactly how all live virus vaccines work?? All are a means to the end of producing desired viral proteins inside a cell to provoke a normal adaptive immune system response. Which as you note works just like any other protein being created.
Why on earth? Because as I guess you don’t know, “the common cold” comes from around 200 different virus strains of many different species and is thus entirely impractical to make a vaccine against? Except for the flu, and I guess you’re ignorant that flu vaccines have been a thing for decades, and have some utility?
These vaccines will not stop you catching or passing CVirus on
That’s a bit too strong. It’d be better to say that nobody knows (yet) whether these vaccines will stop you passing CVirus on. Some virologists argue that it’s reasonable to hope that they will reduce your propensity to pass it on. Time will tell.
I am certainly not inconsistent. Either the author of the article means it or it was a Freudian slip.
When talking about corona, inconsistencies are a basical feature of the rubbish narrative.
I guess you curse Edward Jenner, who created the first vaccine against smallpox before “First do no harm” became a big thing? 明显 no tradeoffs can be justified to stop a disease with as high a fatality rate as 30%, the vaccine having a 1 in 10,000 serious complication rate, 1 in 300,000 encephalitis rate, and a finite fatality rate.
Strange thing, I come from a family with medicine in my blood you might say, been around doctors since I was a teenager, and none of them shared this attitude that vaccines cannot be justified because of the known statistical harm including death they cause. Can’t imagine why, but I’m glad I didn’t have to worry about polio like my Silent Generation parents did before they started college or thereabouts.
Remember also that every day the Chem trailing Geo engineering HAARPing, who knows what with satellite lasers and radiating the upper atmoshpere continues on the macro scale while we are also being poisoned on the nano scale now??? also maybe a natural 12,ooo year solar minimum cycle is having an effect??? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asilomar_International_Conference_on_Climate_Intervention_Technologies The Asilomar International Conference on Climate Intervention Technologies was a conference developed by Margaret Leinen of the Climate Response Fund and chaired by Michael MacCracken of the Climate Institute. The conference took place in March 2010 and the recommendations were published in November 2010. The goal was identify and minimize risks involved with climate engineering (geoengineering, or climate intervention), and was based on the 1975 Asilomar Conference on Recombinant DNA which discussed the potential biohazards and regulation of biotechnology. A group of over 150 scientist and engineers gathered together with lawyers, environmentalists and disaster relief workers in an open meeting to avoid accusations of conspiracy during this discussion. The Asilomar Conference focused exclusively on the development of risk reduction guidelines for climate intervention experiments
Personally I will use this ivermectin protocol but with a lot more Vitamin D. And including ambroxol, glutathione, famotidine and nicotine lozenges.
Some ivermectin protocols use higher doses. This link has a lot of information.
Here’s an interesting, almost amusing, case study on a physiologically-shot nicotine addict surviving Covid in the hospital as he munched on massive numbers of lozenges.
Nebulized delivery of HCQ
There’s also Betadine and Iota-carrageneen very early.
So you were infected and used ivermectin?
True enough, but this has nothing to do with the vaccine. People who’ve been vaccinated can still become both infected and infectious (and some may well have been infected prior to vaccination). If you’re trying to imply that the vaccine itself causes the recipient to become contagious, you’re dangerously mistaken.
“Recently vaccinated people spread disease and should quarantine for a month.”
Do tell. You’re claiming that COVID vaccine recipients, who under the most commonly discussed formulations don’t even receive the live virus to begin with (as in “None of the authorized and recommended COVID-19 vaccines or COVID-19 vaccines currently in development in the United States contain the live virus that causes COVID-19”), somehow magically reconstitute the vaccine within themselves and then shed the COVID virus? This seems kind of like the miracle the Virgin Mary experienced, so unless your name is Gabriel and you have wings to carry you around, I’m going to file this under “more anti-vaxxer scaremongering”.
If, on the other hand, you were referring to those who receive the Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine, a totally different vaccine, 有这个：
So yes, in THAT case — again, we’re not talking COVID — there can indeed be some shedding of the live virus (read the fine print for the animal testing that helps buttress that statement) — but to classify that as “recently vaccinated people spread disease”, so as to imply that the risk from unvaccinated people spreading flu isn’t significantly greater, is classic anti-vaxxer lying-by-omission.
So yes, in case you actually needed to be told this, we should all limit any urge to dig about the fecal matter of those who have recently been administered a vaccine not even available in the US anymore. Thanks so much for that.
Just looked at the nicotine case study. My memory was faulty as to lozenges. The patient was using patches, inhalers, and e-cigarettes. His physicians estimated his nicotine intake while hospitalized as equivalent to 5-6 packs/day.
WHO is to say that mRNA vaccines do not contain the RT enzyme
so RNA can effect DNA. WHO is to say that HIV was not created in a lab as part of Henry Kissinger’s Special Virus Program. WHO is to say what is in any single injection, it could be a placebo, or different people, countries, populations could get all kinds of different vaccine variations as part of world wide testing or depopulations plans. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/gathering-hivaids-pioneers-raw-memories-mix-current-conflicts The first speakers, including Nobel laureate Harold Varmus, who formerly headed the NCI and its parent, the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), connected the dots between the century-old study of retroviruses and the early hunt for HIV. The signature retroviral enzyme, reverse transcriptase (RT), played an essential role, said John Coffin of Tufts University in Boston. RT was discovered in 1970 by Coffin’s mentor, the late Howard Temin, and separately, David Baltimore (another attendee). The enzyme converts RNA into DNA, a once heretical idea, thereby enabling retroviruses to integrate with human chromosomes. “This is the most dramatic scientific discovery that I’m quite sure I’ll ever be associated with,” Coffin said. WHAT PART OF THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND THEY LIE TO US, DO YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND?
First do not do harm principle was the main principle in medical profession since Hippocrates.
I do not curse anyone. I have resposibility to this one patient at a time in front of me, many times to make life or death decison, cure or harm, and not to save the world. I do greatly fear those who are on a mission to save the world. And I am well recognized for this.
Please, do not waste your peddling skills on people like me.
I googled, and this is a veritable horror story, with transgenic chickens and rats used to create “human antibodies”, to be injected by mRNA “vaccines”. This is real, this is happening right now.
A Frankenstein world, the Island of Dr. Moreau:
This “COVID vaccine” is really just a test in millions of human guinea pigs of a new mRNA technology to “hack” our own cells to produce whatever they want. Like they do with the transgenic chickens.
I will NOT take that stupid vaccine.
He means every sentence fragment when you “ransom note” selectively quote them out of context? Forget about your not being a native English speaker, your general “language arts” skills need a substantial upgrade. In the meantime anyone with sense will be ignoring you.
These vaccines will not stop you catching … CVirus
If (I say if) they make the vaccinated less likely to pass the virus on then that must reduce your chance of catching the virus even if you have not been vaccinated yourself. Wait and see.
OK, how about a current medicine yes or no question: do you recommend to your patients, or people around you if you’re not a primary care physician or ER doctor, that they get tetanus vaccine booster shots? In the US, supposed to be every ten years, or after a penetrating wound, if your last booster was more than five years ago.
This is an American/World Deep ShitState
thing where the motto is, “First, Do Harm”.
From a commenter at another site:
AKthomassays: 31 January, 2021
Here is Alaska, we have some of the best numbers for the virus–compared to many other ‘developed’ areas. Most of us always (and have been for years) are taking vit D-3 and zinc and other supplements. I suppose it helps that at 1 person per square mile population density (we invented ‘social distancing’…), the relatively few cases we’ve had are weighted to the areas of highest population density. Like as is shown in large urban centers, areas where people are layered on top of one another–of course the virus is most prevalent.
Beyond that, one has to wonder why areas in this world, with the poorest medical care, high densities, poor diet and living conditions–the virus is almost non-existent. Why?
There’s a saying popular in the US that still probably works in the U.K., “一盎司的预防值得一磅治疗。” 如果需要，您可以用克代替盎司，用千克代替磅。
Another which doesn’t need units translation is “He can’t chew gum and walk at the same time.” When we’re discussing highly complicated and not well understood topics, there’s such a thing as focus to help us in our task. You might as well demand the author end every posting of his with “新冠肺炎疫情设立的区域办事处外，我们在美国也开设了办事处，以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“
More specifically, plenty of people will not sufficiently respond to treatments, especially if they’re too far gone by the time they seek medical help.
A Letter to NIH and Dr. Anthony Fauci. Is Anybody Home?
Big Medicine has no credibility. Note the duplicity in NIH’s supposedly having a neutral stance at present on ivermectin:
But on vaccines you can believe them. Right.
That’s exactly what many of the ‘anti-vaxxers here” are questioning you supercilious c*nt. So why don’t you do the analysis? Let’s start with the numbers. How many have died of the disease? We don’t know do we. How many cases have there been? We don’t know do we. How many lost years of productive lives have we lost due to increased deaths of despair, depression, increased levels of substance of abuse, mass unemployment and business failures, children frightened of any social interaction outside their home? How much farther have we slipped behind in international academic standards as children yawn through Zoom classes? When any objective analysis must include the serial deception of worthless tests, intentionally inflated death statistics, all the while trillions of dollars of wealth is transferred only a fucking idiot like yourself would gloss over the fraud while wading around in the minutiae of whether the Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines are more effective at reducing symptoms of the virus. Despite your cringe-inducing pleadings (“oh when will they stop slandering the vaccines as ‘experimental?’”), these are still experimental by any standard vaccine protocol, and they are already questioning their effectiveness against new variants. This has to be one of the most hysterical, “we have to do something!” American-style ‘we bombed them to save them’ campaigns with no real thought given to the fallout of operation warp speed, a medical oxymoron if there ever was one.
Thank you kindly for the links.
Yes, I and my better half got infected. We used Ivermectin (about 48 hrs after first symptoms) as above, plus Vit D, C and zinc. I believe that dosis is based on a 60 kg person so if you’re heavier you could adjust. I had an easier time but he got bad stomach inflammation and excruciating gout-like pain in one knee. To the point of using crutches for 3-4 days. No lung complications, tho. We ended up doing auxiliary homeopathy (German brand, BHI Sin, BHI lymph, BHI Flamm) and anti-inflammation probiotics called Danzen, a godsend. We already did the whole battery of post-Covid tests (d Dimero, ferritin and about 4 others) and came out fine. I’d say we were pretty healthy to start with, tho I do have an autoimmune disorder. The doctor also said about a third of his covid patients had some joint complaint.
My impression -won’t bore you with too many details— is Ivermectin works but is not a silver bullet. Some auxiliary molecule that provides synergy is indeed desirable.
Thus, I read up on HCQ again, and will probably try it if there is a next time. I did see the Zelenko nebulizingprotocol, but my doctors aren’t very open to HCQ and I hesitate about nebulization without expert supervision. But if on day 2 you have adequate HCQ concentration, your prognosis is supposed to be better.
I’d also suggest a protocol for a stay-at-home treatment that can be added to initial Ivermectin/HCQ. Perhaps include an oxygen concentrator, dexametasone tablets and/or nebulization with corticoids (pulmiccord is a common one, given to kids with allergy problems). It helps to have everything written down and in individual ziplock bags, the bug tires you and numbs your brain. My other doctor characterized Covid as “having an appetite for the nervous system”.
https://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm … Reflecting on the specific scenario advanced by Myers and co-workers regarding the phylogenetic, recombinant, and immunosuppressive correlates and antecedents of the “starburst” that reflects at least ten simultaneous HIV/AIDS African outbreaks, the [ Poster’s Note: Litton Bionetics ] Bionetics investigators stated the significance and “proposed course” of their vaccine research involving chimpanzees……
https://www.nytimes.com/1972/06/25/archives/litton-to-run-cancer-research-lab.html ….at FORT DETRICK …. Viruses and special biologi cal materials will be produced in large quantities for use, not only at Fort Detrick, but also at other laboratories doing cancer research….. this after Kissinger asked congress for lots of money for the Special Cancer Virus Project…. remember they lie to us, about the origin/spread of AIDs about 9/11 about COVID and the vaccination, just because some University or Government organization says something or mandates something usually means they are LIARs
This is precisely evidence that the virus was created in a lab, for the purpose of bringing about a drastic reduction in fertility and thus world population.
What are the odds that this precise key protein (or a very close copy) just happens to be the “spike protein” of a virus that just happened to appear at the beginning of an election year in the U.S., with state governments jumping in with gusto to implement pointless “lockdown” rules, such as limiting the number of miles you can drive ALONE IN YOUR CAR.
It is quite easy to manipulate the spike protein in a virus. In fact, the Pfizer/Biontech mRNA vaccine is simply a synthetic nucleotide sequence to make the precise spike protein which in order to trigger an immune response to the protein.
5G reader. 60 GHz. You like the vaccine? You can have my dose too! Go for it.
You’re leaving out the time machine research and development, since your thesis implicitly says modern day technology is needed to create plagues, which, you know, have plagued mankind as far back as we can remember. 1,200 B.C. for an epidemic of something like the flu in Babylon, and the first really well documented pandemic was the 165 to 180 AD 安东尼鼠疫. So I suppose your high tech time turners have to go back only so far….
HOW COVID-19 ‘VACCINES’ MAY DESTROY THE LIVES OF MILLIONS – JUDY MIKOVITS | DR. MERCOLA
“you supercilious c*nt. “Nailed it!
“only a fucking idiot like yourself would gloss over the fraud while wading around in the minutiae of whether the Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines are more effective at reducing symptoms of the virus.”
Nailed it again!
Thanks for that 😎
Maybe the emergence of new strains have got them thinking more carefully about ADE, the danger that their former Vice President and Chief Scientist for allergy and respiratory disease, Michael Yeadon, resigned over.
Perhaps the potential for an ADE catastrophe created by the emergence of new covid strains explains the very late-in-the-day national quarantines being established in the UK, Canada and elsewhere.
In any case, there are much better reasons than the Tuskagee experiment for people of any skin color to be hesitant about being subjected to a novel vaccine technology deployed prior to long-term testing. To call these people anti-social, is idiotic. And if you don’t agree, take a look at the record of harm caused by Bill Gates’ vaccines deployed in India and Africa without adequate evaluation.
https://davidicke.com/2020/11/20/former-fema-operative-celeste-solum-talks-with-david-icke-the-covid-tests-are-magnetically-tagging-you-and-the-vaccine-is-designed-for-mass-depopulation-and-the-synthetic.-transformation-of-the-huma/ Every one should download this… also answers the question… Why are there Jellyfish genetic components in some of the vaccines??? Answer it is for phosphorescence of certain genetic and cell markers so that they can be tracked and researched in Human populations
“Let’s start with the numbers. How many have died of the disease? We don’t know do we.”
You keep telling yourself that. It doesn’t make it true. The excess death numbers indicate that the number who have died is about the number reported — i.e. we know that about as well as such things can be measured to a first pass — to the extent that the “motorcycle-accident COVID deaths” the truthers keep obsessing about cancel out to some extent those nursing home deaths that never got a COVID test to begin with. Maybe that means we’re off by 20% or 30%, but even so, that’s a lot of excess deaths. Yes, most of them are elderly, so that the 10 years of life this thing takes away, on average, maybe aren’t “productive” according to you, but their loss is highly disruptive in the sense that many of those post-retirement deaths are lives that still matter to someone. Sometimes grandma takes care of the kids (or at least takes care of grandpa), to the extent that her well-being is actually pretty important, even on the purely economic level you seem to want to reduce us to. It’s great if you can afford to put all your kids into daycare staffed by bright young things, and shunt off your elderly to AZ or FL where they can be readily ignored, but much of our population cannot do that, and they don’t regard those old people as expendable as you do.
In any case, given the numbers of excess dead we’ve seen, we can say with some confidence that the “just a flu, bro” deniers who have now recast themselves as mere lockdown skeptics (so as not to be tarred by their earlier catastrophically bad set of projections) were pretty dumb, in hindsight. So why should I listen to their rebranded forecasts — the kind you seem bent on spouting?
True, about a third to a quarter of the excess deaths are due to all the other disruptions you enumerate, which is why no one bothers to lockdown against TB or the flu or anything else (another common “well, how come we don’t lockdown for everything then?” gotcha game the truthers keep repeating). We could go back to targeted sequestering as in the days of Typhoid Mary, but if we were to do that, the libertarians and the minoritarians (because let’s face it, those given lockdown orders would be disproportionately brown or black) would make quick of work of that. So generalized restrictions are currently what’s on the menu, and if you want to change that, fine, but be careful what you wish for.
In any case, when the death toll from these “experimental” vaccines rises to the level of hundreds of thousands, get back to us. Or if you have a more workable way to bite into that death toll that doesn’t involve just sitting back and enjoying it (the Brazilians who helped incubate the most worrisome strain of COVID currently available mostly did that), let us know. For now, I’m marking “unwieldy contagion issues” as yet another one of those gifts that globalism keeps giving. I’m no fan of Fauci, but if you’re what constitutes the alternative, that will make my choices a lot easier. So unless you’re some false-flag CDC-financed troll made to make the truthers look bad you and your fellow trolls might want to rethink your strategy.
https://einsteinmed.org/features/2361/einstein-lab-answers-nycs-call-to-provide-key-ingredient-for-covid-19-test-kits/ Dr Goldstein is a friend of Fauci
See Dr. Anthony Fauci, Keynote Address, Einstein-Rockefeller-CUNY CFAR Symposium, 3 of 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqZmE_38SbE He also mentions the term stamping out a secret buzz term??? Maybe a hat tip to …. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever. George Orwell.
“顺便说一句，我不会担心中国的人口崩溃—仍然有很多这样的问题，而且即使抚养婴儿更具挑战性，生育婴儿也是一个令人愉快的过程。” 那是假设神奇的2.1 TFR，而这个国家还遥遥无期。 再加上成千上万没有配偶的男人，是的，有一次车祸，但我不用担心。 看着国家搞砸自己是很有趣的。
No – a very substantial, and possibly growing, percentage of “we” are not. But the politicians, for purely political reasons, most certainly are.
This “That Would be Telling” person is a sockpuppet. He popped up on Sailer’s blog when the vaccine story got hot and he/she is conducting a full court press of pro-panic, pro-vax hysteria.
If I post more than a couple comments in a short period of time I get a “You’re commenting too much. Take a break” message. But this sockpuppet has logged 27 comments today in this thread alone. Uh, maybe thou art protesting too much???
It couldn’t be more obvious that this hack is peddling some pro-panic agenda. He should be placed on ignore and shame on Sailer and Thompson for lending him credence.
迈克尔·耶登 last worked for Pfizer in 2011. I have no respect for him whatsoever, because he published his screed on December 1th, way too late to bring up his laundry list of issues which he claimed should immediately halt all research into COVID-19 vaccines, and precisely because he led off with the antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) concern.
As if it hadn’t already been addressed for SARS type coronavirus vaccines using the spike protein, and wouldn’t have already been found out the hard way in the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Phase III trials, seeing as how both had already submitted their applications to the FDA for Emergency Use Authorizations by then. Not to mention his second concern about syncytin-1, which did not explain why a vaccine would be uniquely dangerous compared to a normal infection. He’s just laying down a marker in case something disastrous ended up happening with the vaccines.
A couple of important words missing there. Yeadon resigned as Vice-President and Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer, the vaccine maker.
As for the way in which the political establishment is handling potentially deadly risks such as ADE that are posed by minimally tested nucleic acid vaccines — risks that Yeadon refused to sweep under the rug, it’s worth reading this BMJ Editorial: Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science.
And for anyone interested in why the emergence of multiple strains of Covid raise the spectre of widespread vaccine-caused injury or death they should consider the case of the dengue-vaccine, dengue being a disease with multiple strains.
You need to learn the definition of words like “sockpuppet”, and could you show me where I’m being “pro-panic” or engaging in hysteria? You won’t be able to because you lie about the simplest of things:
15, “but who’s counting?” Still, it’s a very simple and trivially checked thing, which couldn’t possibly be related to 乌兹网 promoting this old topic of Mr. Thompson’s at the very top today. That’s brought out of the woodwork a host of NPCs, and trolls like you, who I’ve been systematically shooting down today. The joys of being retired without many day to day responsibilities, and having a strong formal background in biology and an informal one in medicine starting with my mother the RN.
I probably wouldn’t still be here or at iSteve’s without their personally thanking me for information I brought to their attention. They approach the subject of COVID-19 vaccines seriously and rationally.
I don’t understand what you are talking about. Do you?
The scoundrel Fauci has a long history of promoting lies and deception. This Covid scam is not his first rodeo.
Deadly Deception – Dr. Robert E. Willner MD, PHD
I believe I do, but then I believe I understood the linked 化学与工程新闻 article; granted, when I had to stop studying science I was taking a class on protein folding. What do you not find clear in it, its gorgeous illustrations, its long history of ADE going back to the 1960s, etc.? Our host found it useful….
First of all, regardless of the true biological existence, nature or origin of the putative SARS-CoV-2 agent, it is clear that the so-called COVID “crisis” has been artificially amplified and manufactured. PCR amplification of genetic material reverse engineered from fragments of RNA supposedly from the SARS-CoV-2 virion and dubiously used in conjuction with a presence/absence “confirmation or adjudication” (Moderna’s words, not mine—notice that ‘diagnosis’ was not the term selected) has a dial-up/dial-down adjustment feature—especially when the number of amplification cycles is not specified. The potential for deceptive manipulation of “case” numbers is enormous and virtually certain. Second, the hysterical tone of newscasters and politicians along with the repressive censorship by social media are telling indications that the “pandemic” is quite possibly, or rather almost certainly, a fraud. Third, these nucleic acid-based pharmaceutical instruments are not vaccines, but rather tools of genetic modification. We could call them ‘pseudovaccines’. Fourth, the developmental testing is grossly inadequate to the level of malfeasance if not criminality. Fifth, no competent scientist would envision, much less recommend, conducting an experiment–let alone an initial trial–on a whole population. Sixth, the potential for adverse consequences are real, severe and–especially in the case of DNA-based pseudovaccines–irreversible. The likelihood of neurological sequelae are particularly troubling and, given that roughly 95% of translational products are found uniquely in the nervous system. Seventh, permanent alteration and risks exist for populations and ethnic groups. Eighth, there is every reason to be concerned about malevolence in the execution of ethnic warfare and genocide emerging from this program of genetic modification masquerading as a vaccine. Most assuredly this concerns grows with future pressures and programs of mass inoculation . Ninth, many followers of religious traditions, such as Catholicism, object to receiving injections and participating in an industrial activity with this level of complicity with the harvesting of materials from human abortions. Tenth, a rarely mentioned point is that to receive or administer RNA- or DNA-basd pseudovasccines is to commit acts of the most profound form of bodily mutilation. Mutilation, even self-mutilation, for non-therapeutic reasons is impermissible (see ‘Catechism of the Catholic Church’, Part 3, Paragraph 2297). See interview, Dave Schmitt by Brian McCall on ‘Catholic Family News for a conversation of the topic.
Altering the genome, or potentially doing so, in the manner of nucleic acid-based pseudovaccines, especially considering that these vaccines are not administered to those suffering the disease, but rather to those not suffering the disease, not only does not constitute a therapeutic action, it is contrary to a therapeutic action as defined as an action to restore health.
In a couple of my podcasts I mention I discuss the Cedntral Dogma of Biology and draw a parallel to what I believe shoudl be recognized as the Cantral Dogma of Civilization. The parallel is of supreme importance in the larger picture of the COVID-Lockdown-Pseudovaccination Scam.
See if you please: http://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/deschmitt
Yesterday an epidemiologist said that “making more vaccines is “not like making men’s shirts.”
I understand that a simile, in order to work, must describe something that is within experience of the listeners. He might have said: Imagine building a small Disneyland, with the rides and exhibits, and, also training the people who must operate and maintain the small Disneyland.
I am a nobody in pajamas, but my analogy is a heckuva lot better than the shirt. Poor communication throughout covid.
Re the Tuskagee Airmen syphilis trial: the last airman died in the 1970’s, so the memory of this can hardly be relegated to pre-world war 2 history. Black skepticism of the government’s intentions is sometimes well-founded.
Second, anyone who can accept the official facts that whilst Corona cases have exploded around the world, the seasonal flu has all but disappeared, is functionally retarded. Perhaps not literally retarded, but “programmable”, by what passes for science, to a degree where the result is identical.
Excess deaths? You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics. There are equally compelling arguments that bumps in the numbers in some countries in 2020 have to do with aging populations or recently low death numbers catching up. And how do people explain the average age of ‘COVID deaths’ being equal to life expectancy rates. 81 yo is the average age of a ‘COVID’ death in my home state which also happens to be the average life expectancy. What would it take for some imbecile like you to become curious about a deadly pandemic with these numbers? COVID deaths averaging 2 years over life expectancy, 10 years? That Would Be Condescending is sniffing on about others glossing over ‘risk benefit analysis’. How can you not consider the age and health of the populations succumbing to the disease, even assuming that their death stats are correct when performing your risk-benefit analysis. 81 years of age, 65% of which were nursing home residents, you know the place you send your grandma to die. Those are the COVID death stats in my state, the reason 8 year old children are locked in their homes staring at a computer screen 6 hours a day and pretending that’s learning, growing obese and having ‘virtual sleepovers’.
What the frack are you talking about?
You, an anonymous troll, presume to dismiss the judgment of a prominent immunologist with what seems no more than random verbiage. And insofar as what you say about Yeadon is intelligible it is bunk:
You say, for example:
Which is not so. As stated in 本文, published in early November, Yeadon’s concern with the ADE risk of new Corona virus vaccines dated from April of 2020, which is when the vaccines were in early development. The article, incidentally, provides a good intro. to the potentially deadly phenomenon of vaccine-induced ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement).
This lie again? Please explain how the fundamental paradigm or “dogma” if you prefer of molecular genetics, DNA->mRNA->proteins gets reversed with mRNA vaccines. For extra credit, think about how every live virus vaccine is a means to an end of generating mRNA to then make one or more viral proteins. For even more credit, explain how mRNA vaccines are uniquely capable of changing your DNA compared to getting a wild type RNA virus infection.
The notoriously conservative FDA doesn’t think so. The only short cuts taken with the mRNA vaccines were starting animal and human Phase I testing at the same time based on a lot of previous research and Phase I trials, and the early Phase III results acceptable for an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), this being an emergency and all as confirmed by all cause mortality, which along with hospital capacity are the only metrics I consider to be solid.
So the FDA considered enough disparity in COVID-19 cases between experimental and control groups and severity for Moderna for efficacy, and two months of safety data from half of the experimental group that got the vaccine. The latter based on the credible claim the vast majority of severe vaccine caused adverse events (AE) show up in the first month and a half after taking them.
Then I guess it’s a good thing then that these vaccines have been trialed on tens of people in Phase I trials, hundreds of people in Phase II, and over ten thousand in Phase III.
And these would be?? I’ll supply a hint, adenoviruses are DNA viruses. But any evidence they incorporate their DNA into their host cells? And how can you not know the end fate of the host cells is termination with extreme prejudice by the adaptive immune system??
In general, you’re advocating both total avoidance of RNA and DNA live virus vaccines. Well, whatever floats your boat, get a Novavax or eventually maybe Sanofi/GSK vaccine, or wait until you get an uncontrolled, zillions more cells hijacked infection by the RNA COVID-19 virus. The rest of the world doesn’t necessarily care 形成一种 you gain immunity, just that you get it.
OK, now we’re back to mRNA vaccines which are made from pure information, no cell cultures involved except for bacterial like the workhorse E。大肠杆菌 to make lots of DNA to then transcribe it into mRNA.
And, again, your screed is based on gross ignorance of molecular genetics, although with your “Get out of jail free” card of “Eighth, there is every reason to be concerned about malevolence in the execution of ethnic warfare and genocide….” you won’t be bothering us for any longer than it takes you to get a bacterial infection and refuse to take the antibiotic that will save your life. But last time I checked, suicide was a “Do not pass Go, do not collect $200” straight path to hell, a mortal sin in Catholic theology….
Yes, if the science-based analysts here gave a shit about the science they would be screaming about the pcr manipulation, and the complete perversion of terminology. A ‘case’ has become a positive pcr test regardless of the lack of symptoms, and no state government has established a standard Ct level meaning that not only are most tests useless, there will be no way to analyze the ‘pandemic’ in the future. But this is standard stuff for the most heavily fined industry, save banking. Let’s see Moderna release its pcr numbers for all trial participants. And based on past practice, it shouldn’t surprise anyone if the pharmas have manipulated the exclusionary criteria for trial participants or the control group ‘placebo’ to fudge the results.
Your total refusal to look at an article that explains how ADE was avoided from the very beginning for COVID-19 vaccines, for Moderna the weekend ending in January 12th, 2020. There’s nothing further to discuss if you refuse to even consider looking at the evidence I present.
That sounds interesting, but for the benefit of those like myself who have what amounts to an allergic reaction to podcasts and videos, can you spell it out for us here in a few words what is the parallel between the central dogma of molecular biology and what you think is, or should be, the central dogma of civilization?
As I understand it, the central dogma of molecular biology is simply that information flows from nucleic acids to protein, not the reverse. A parallel formulation for a civilization would be that social organization is dictated from ruler to ruled, not the reverse. However, both formulations are wrong. In the cell, there are epigenetic mechanisms whereby proteins regulate the expression of genes thereby reversing the flow of information. Likewise, in the life of a civilization, the actions of the rulers can be greatly affected by demands, resistance, applause, etc., of the ruled.
Or is someone with an open mind, perhaps a scientific mindset who says to himself “WTF?”, and tries to figure out what’s going on with this phenomena.
Pfizer at minus 71—can not be too useful in underdeveloped countries —
You mentioned a “linked Chemical and Engineering News article” but provided no actual reference, i.e., title, volume, date, page number, or hyperlink.
So are you witless or merely devious.
Anyway, since you’re so well informed, why not give us the explanation in your own words as to how the ADE risk that Yeadon expressed concern about in April had already been disposed of in January.
Ah, but you have already sworn never to respond to my again. Wise, decision, I suppose.
“ importance of faith leaders”
Translation, more money in government grants to scumbag POS black preachers to encourage blacks to be vaccinated. I truly wonder if 50% of blacks are really vaccine reluctant. Or if the media is just lying for the purpose of shoveling more money to the blacks.
Saw a headline and front page story today “ Latinos hardest hit devastating horrendous infection rate”
And about 60% of the White population are brainwashed White hating liberals.
So the Catholic Church objects to vaccinations because the needle stick is mutilation? So why are millions of patients in thousands of catholic hospitals and medical practices given blood draws and injections every day ?
The more I read about covid hoax the more certain I am that it is truly a hoax.
Seasonal flu, colds and the occasional sneeze are counted as covid hoax now. That’s why seasonal flu’s disappeared.
Sadly, just as only whites are prosecuted with Inspector Javert zeal for mere trespassing and criminal mischief while BLM subhumans beat, burn and steal are nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, blacks are already exempt from wearing masks “if they don’t feel like it.”
Most blacks wear masks religiously, as in driving alone in their car because they are genetic mental midgets, and because they fear Covid.
However, I have witnessed blacks not wearing masks in courtrooms, and Judges issue a milky weak plea for everyone to cover up. Whites are tazed for not wearing masks. Fined, beaten, arrested, imprisoned.
In Wal Mart, I saw an elderly white man ask a black girl to pull up her mask as she was coughing and shouting in a tight aisle and she told him to” Shut the f*ck up before I stomp your old ass.”
This is not hpyerbole- we have reached a strange rubicon where blacks are exempt from most of society’s rules.
If this course continues, blacks will be allowed to murder with impunity if they can shoe horn any racial theme into the crime.
I am working a second job at night for extra money. It involves reviewing evidence for a class action law suit.
The next “big thing” is thousands of small businesses filing claims for “business interruption” loss of income when government action ordered them to shut down shop to stop the spread of the Covid-19 virus.
Billions of dollars in premiums timely paid. What underwriter would deny the legitimacy of these claims?
All of them. None of the Big Boys are paying 任何 claims on Covid. The plaintiffs are in disbelief. Indeed, most were lulled into tranquility by all the false reassurances by the Government that relief was coming. There is no contributing negligence, no fault of the claimants. Has there ever been a more “pure” claim?
No help will come to them from any insurance entity unless the courts FORCE them. And that will take years. The Big Boys will motion them to death.
Thank you for the full account. Best regards.
It’s rich to blame Brazilians for a Chinese virus created in an American lab (well, that’s what Mr. Unz says).
If you want, take the stupid vaccine and stay home afraid of “viruses” like a little bitch, but don’t force this mRNA concoction on others, and don’t defend those crazy authoritarian measures. Don’t forget to wash your hands too.
many followers of … [Roman] Catholicism, object to … this level of complicity with the harvesting of materials from human abortions.
What is the level of complicity?
Wasn’t the complaint about Tuskegee that white men got injections while black men didn’t? Now black men want not to get an injection while white men do. Oh the irony!
WKPD： None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available
And available courtesy of the University of Oxford.
Excess deaths? You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics.
There are analyses available that do intelligently incorporate the effect of a growing and ageing population.
recently low death numbers catching up
There are analysts intelligent enough to illustrate that effect in the plots they provide.
how do people explain the average age of ‘COVID deaths’ being equal to life expectancy rates …?
That would be a better question if there were any evidence that you understand what life expectancy means.
Mind you, you’re quite right about the absence of any sign of an intelligent cost/benefit analysis by governments. In a well ordered society many US state governors would swing for what they’ve done to their populations. I suppose Mr Cuomo might be the leading example.
You should see an eye doctor or switch browsers, for there are hyperlinks on my two replies for the text “As if it hadn’t already been addressed,” 一种 和 二, note each of those words are also hyperlinks.
In short and from memory, a vaccine eliciting too weak an immune system response, for SARS like coronavirus due to the spike protein having two major shapes as part of the role it plays in getting the virus into cells, allows a mechanism where a natural infection is much worse. For COVID-19 vaccines using the spike protein, it was discovered before January that this can be fixed by adding some “molecular twist ties” to the protein, so it’s “stabilized,” is stuck in one shape, the one it assumes on the surface of the virus before it comes into contact with a target cell.
Your second para not only contradicts the first para but essentially agrees with my proposition… in a round about way.
Discounting the CDC’s flu surveillance network, which uses a set of clinics and doctor’s offices which might not be functioning well for this purpose if people are less likely to go to them for less severe cases of the flu where the best they can do is provide a prescription for Tamiflu or another anti-viral of questionable efficacy), per local reports in my part of flyover country, and “Aesop” the ER nurse in southern California who’s the author of the Raconteur Report blog, point of contact flu testing has been showing essentially no flu cases. Here’s Aesop on that as of December 15th:
As far as I have heard, other disparate parts of the US are also seeing the same baffling pattern. And for one of your previous comment’s points:
Aesop isn’t in LA country, but he provided this continuously updated LA PDF dashboard which as I type this shows data as of Friday. Go down to page 7 and see “COVID Cases Hospitalized by Race/Ethnicity,” 71% are Hispanic, essentially unchanged since December when it was 72%. And he attests to this being true in his part of Southern California.
Dry ice is sufficient, along with enough diligence to refill the package after it arrives, and then every five days. Pfizer also supplies a device with them that monitors the temperatures and can phone and/or text up to four contacts if it senses things are going wrong.
All that said, it’s a good thing we’re now seeing success with vaccines that only need medical grade refrigeration, that’s generally something like 2-8 C/36-46 F for Novavax’s now old fashioned style pioneered by Protein Sciences for flu vaccines. Grow the protein in bug cells in bioreactors, then for Novavax add an adjuvant harvested from trees, not sharks. 根据维基百科, this American company set up contract manufacturing in the U.K., and “signed an agreement with Serum Institute of India for mass scale production for developing and low-income countries. It has also been reported, that the vaccine will be manufactured in Spain.”
This is the one that just reported very good results in its U.K. Phase III trial, a twice as big FDA sized one is in progress in the US. Others with the same required refrigeration profile include the AZ/Oxford’s and Janssen’s (Johnson and Johnson’s), the latter has just reported fair to good results from one jab, a Phase III trial with two jabs eight weeks apart was started a bit later and might improve on that.
Covid19 has already been shown to attack germ cells in the male testes, as well:
If the vaccine does the same, we could well be looking at a demographic implosion.
Roger Simon at The Epoch Times published an editorial yesterday entitled “How the Hydroxychloroquine Scandal Wrecked America and the World Along With It.”
He accuses Fauci, the CDC, MSM, the Democratic Party, the Cuomos, and Whitmer of responsibility for the poor state of affairs the USA now confronts.
Because the editorial is under copyright and requires giving an email address to access, I did not link to it.
“You’re talking about comparing raw numbers of deaths to previous years’ averages with no analyses of demographics.”
No, in fact, they took some care in correcting for that and came up with somewhat similar numbers to what you get simply by eyeballing the last couple of years:
Like I said, this is a first pass, and if the numbers are off by 30% or so, it wouldn’t surprise me. But that’s still a lot of excess deaths — more than can be casually handwaved away the way you’d like. Overall,their analysis seems a lot less clueless than yours.
You can read more about Farrington algorithms here:
“It’s rich to blame Brazilians for a Chinese virus created in an American lab (well, that’s what Mr. Unz says).”
I’m not blaming them and Mr. Unz can’t look at a blue sky without thinking some US conspiracy is responsible for it, so that’s beside the point. The articles on which I based that statement take pains to point out that, given their resources, and the number of loons telling them “it’s behind us, get back to normal” (sounds familiar, eh?) they did about as well as can be expected of them.
If you don’t like CNN, or CIDRAP, do your own searching on Manaus/COVID.
This is a good article on current issues of vaccine safety and efficacy.
Vaccine wars escalate as new antibody escape variants raise the bar
You are jumping right over any plausible mechanism by which the vaccine could harm spermatocytes, spermatogonia, or spermatids.
For a young man, the most compelling reason to take the vaccine would be to protect his ability to father children. Protection of sufficient spermatogonia would be crucial.
By the way, my doctor was on board with the Ivermectin but discouraged the addition of azithromycin, in good part to avoid “ toxicity”. (Many doctors do prescribe the “covid combo” I + azyt) The bug does do an overload to the body difficult for me to explain (enervation, mind fog, weird inflammation), so a very simple protocol with as few substances as possible would seem desirable for the early stage.
It is truly excellent on 许多 topics, thanks for bringing it to our attention!
Another very promising treatment is bromhexine. It is a common expectorant, over-the-counter in countries using it, but not available everywhere.
It works by blocking the TMPRSS2 enzyme, which facilitates entry of the virus into the cell by cleaving the spike protein at that furin site so it can grab onto the ACE2 receptor. The blocking has been verified in lab studies.
I have seen one controlled trial showing it is highly effective. Also incredibly cheap.
I also have some Ivermectin and use it every time I get the sniffles. So far it has cured them every time. I expect it gives me Covid19 prophylaxis at the same time.
The point is to have treatments on hand for when you get the first premonition of illness: Ivermectin, HCQ, bromhexine, etc. And to maintain your Vitamin D levels at all times.
There are Vitamin D receptors on every cell in your body. They serve a multiplicity of purposes, besides regulating Calcium levels. Pretty much all of them promoting health. It’s very hard to overdose.
If you have, or were even allowed, to have these in your medicine cabinet before you got sick the fear and panic would wash right over your head. As they do mine.
Absent studies of them being used together, a wise choice because it’s a lipid friendly drug that is liked for compliance (“Take your damned pills!”) because it gets loaded up in your fat. But that also means it’ll be with you longer than normal, plus it’s still the case as of 2016 that “In vitro and in vivo studies to assess the metabolism of azithromycin have not been performed.” Post-marketing some mostly benign drug interactions have been noted, not sure if they’re metabolism related, plus it and its class of antibiotics have their own non-benign side effect profile, plus it’ll do a number on your gut bacteria, another reason to avoid casual use of antibiotics.
As for ivermectin, per Wikipedia 也许, the language is not crystal clear, but not Merck as the brand name drug Stromectol, it’s a known inhibitor of CYP3A4. I’d trust Merck over Wikipedia, but in any case the former says 细胞/组织 studies show it’s primarily metabolized by that enzyme, which is not surprising:
So without a good reason to add azithromycin to the mix, best avoided, whereas by itself and few other drugs should be well tolerated. Be careful if you’re taking acetaminophen/paracetamol which you should be anyways and always, avoid eating grapefruit (a well known inhibitor of CYP3A4 which some people who have to take cyclosporin for life use to lower their costs), otherwise ivermectin is a drug for which the major, common bad side effects pertain to it killing off too many parasites at once, not an issue here. And good luck.
Emphasis added; the problem of course being that HCQ was outright outlawed in a number of Blue and Purple states after Trump spoke favorably of it, and it became a tribal thing that makes it unlikely it’ll ever get a fair chance in studies in the West unless Biden blesses it. There’s also the issue of reserving doses of these drugs for people who actually have COVID-19 symptoms, vs. the supplies getting sequestered in people’s medicine cabinets.
Per the above, the uncertainty of their actually working, the high quality of local healthcare, and being able to achieve 99.999% isolation, I’m only doing this with Vitamin D as I’ve done for years now. Adding to your comments and advice, people are advised to get tested for proper blood levels of it, and calcium to make sure you’re not getting to much, and you’ll very likely need to take supplements to get in the ideal range.
Last I looked, the EUA for experimental drugs and the Expedited Approval Protocols for vaccines were conditioned on there being no effective treatments available for the disease. So it was crucially important for the HCQ effectiveness to be buried and the trials for Ivermectin and Vitamin D to be strung out for long enough to open the door for vaccines.
The effectiveness of HCQ was known in February last year, even before Mr. Trump cautiously endorsed it. Then all hell broke loose over it. We were immediately told Nigerians were overdosing and some guy killed himself with fish-tank cleaner. But the 政变恩典 came in May with the publication of that 柳叶刀“ article touting a 96,000 patient study over five continents. The media went wild with vicious glee, studies were stopped in their tracks and anyone thinking about joining a controlled trial was told they would be signing their own death warrant.
The 96,000 patients turned out to be fabricated from whole cloth, the study was retracted and Surgisphere, the company responsible, disappeared from the face of the internet. Curiously this most scandalous of all scientific retractions engendered no obvious retribution for either the authors or the 柳叶刀“ editor who published it.
Indeed, that study is still being cited; of the 200 papers examined by 科学—all published after the retractions—105 inappropriately cited one of the disgraced studies.
Right, for anyone likely to be seriously affected by Covid, it is indeed a good idea to quantify Vitamin D level. There are several online test sources. The testee’s contribution beyond cash is a few drops of blood on a card. My level was 60 ng/ml while my wife’s was only 37, a bit low for the current situation. Really high levels are not good however as the mortality versus Vitamin D level curve has an uptick beyond the high 50’s ng/ml point.
Supplementing strongly with Vitamin D should also be accompanied by Vitamin K2. And supplementing with Zinc should include a mg or two of Copper.
Exactly. I got a look at the Surgisphere website before it disappeared. The cast of characters shown as principals of the company was ridiculous. Dr. James Todaro deserves a lot of the credit for his part in exposing the fraud.
You are jumping right over any plausible mechanism by which the vaccine could harm spermatocytes, spermatogonia, or spermatids.
Fair comment. But let me counter with a few odd points.
First, the virus is, I think, attacking germ cells in the testes themselves, not just the sperm. That may however actually reinforce your argument.
However, reading the vaccine studies, I see they specifically say they did not assess their safety for pregnant women and women of childbearing age. It’s most unlikely they did so for men either. And despite what feminists claim, men are more often looked at as dispensable. It is the responsibility of Big Pharma to asses the effect of their treatments on men and on reproductive health in general, but in practice they don’t do it.
I have already agreed with your interest in alternative treatments like HCQ, Ivermectin, Vitamin D and bromhexine. If these were made available over-the-counter and put in every person’s medicine cabinet, ready to take at the beginning of symptoms, the epidemic would be stopped in its tracks. No one would need the vaccines.
I’m not sure why it’s my responsibility to come up with your “plausible mechanism.” We need to put the onus on the vaccine makers to prove their products safe. Did anyone have to think of a plausible mechanism for the teratogenic actions of thalidomide before they prescribed it for morning sickness?
Did you use anything to reduce fever? Fever is an adaptive physiological response to infection so with old-style viral infections I usually let it do its thing until it drops naturally. Did you folks have high fevers?
OK,… that must be why I need a prescription for first-aid supplies, right? Wouldn’t want Emerg to run out of band-aids, would we?
HCQ and Ivermectin are used in substantial quantities all over the world. With a little effort production can be ramped up to whatever levels you need, in a very short time. Just like aspirin. Several drug-manufacturing companies were offering to do this last spring.
Ivermectin, at least, has been shown effective for prophylaxis, for preventing the disease. If you prevent the disease you have all-round fewer patients in hospital. Prevention only works if you have the medicine in hand. That’s why HCQ was over-the-counter in France. Until they inexplicably banned it last January or February, when it threatened to become the treatment of choice.
Was last vaccinated in school 25 years ago. The place where the needle went in 仍然 fucking itches.
That would make drugs and biologics prohibitively expensive, so expensive it’s unlikely very many would be marketed in countries with such a requirement. Just run the numbers, as Peripatetic Itch should do before he dismissed concerns that supplies of drugs in literally billions of medicine cabinets could be conjured up in a short time.
The FDA seems to be requiring 30,000 minimum subjects in COVID-19 Phase III trials, half vaccine, half control, so not necessarily much more than 15,000 to find real side effects in. Perhaps someone who knows more probability off the top of their head can chime in and tell us the how unlikely a 1 in 100,000 occurrence of an adverse event will be found in these big trials; intuitively we know the chance is small.
You may also need multiple events to distinguish a pattern: how do you know something that sometimes happens to people for unknown reasons, idiopathic is the word of art, is that or is caused by taking a drug or getting a vaccine?
So we use a whole bunch of heuristics to manage the risk. One of those is the plausible mechanism @Bert is demanding. Given the common observation that many serious cases of COVID-19 appear to be vascular in nature, see for example the blood clots, we have a presumed mechanism for the all too commonly reported testes pain, all the way to the linked paper showing bad effects in five or so cadavers checked, the virus acting directly on the tissues in question. Although there’s an alternate to be considered, lots of spike proteins in the blood (I have no idea if that happens, or if it’s though to cause bad effects).
So if we start with the mRNA vaccines, no virus, very little in the way of the mMRA/lipid packages not getting lodged in your deltoid muscle, not a lot of stabilized non-functional spike proteins released when vaccine hijacked cells eventually get killed by the adaptive immune system, or at minimum not a fraction of a real infection, we must remember the alternative, add the toxicologist’s maxim “the dose makes the poison” and we expect no side effects of this type.
But check for “unsolicited” adverse effects in those 15,000 who get the vaccine (and of course the 15,000 who don’t, this is blinded until that becomes unethical), the solicited ones are the expected from every vaccine sort, pain at site of injection, fever, what have you. And we have systems to report adverse events in Phase IV “post-marketing.”
Or look at it another way: for all we know, every cup of coffee one drinks, inserting a bunch of small molecules in your tissues, probably causes more damage to a variety of tissues than what happens outside the site of the injection of a vaccine and the immune system nearby. Both are probably so small we don’t overly worry about them.
@ This is the last of my comments quota for the day, so I’ll address several comments above.
Do not worry too much, IF you have little ziplocks with written instructions and the protocol of your choice. Ivermectin does work. Personally, I would take it with azithromycin. The reason it’s a “covid combo” is a) many doctors have empirically observed it works b) there are in vitro studies it acts as antiviral in Covid19, has some inmunoregulatory benefit for C19, AND is a well-known antibiotic for upper tract respiratory bacterial infections. In fact, those were the reasons it was chosen in February to act in sinergy with HCQ. I guess doctors tried azithromycin with Ivermectin when those nice authorities over at WHO and Lancet blocked HCQ.
If for example you take 10 days of HCQ, with a long half-life, you will be rid of it of it by day 26. So azythromycin, please, no worries on that score. Very, very common antibiotic, for kids and adults alike. Doctors recommend not only based on papers read, but on their experience these past months.
Since you mentioned so many substances, I thought to relay my doctor’s comment about “toxicity”. We are all self-medicating with supplements, thanks to the lack approved protocols Peripatetic Itch observed. Criminal behavior indeed.
We did not get high fevers at all. I didn’t get any fever, in fact. We used Tylenol at the beginning for discomfort (headaches, body aches). We didn’t have loss of taste or smell either. (Got a PCR test, obviously, and funnily enough no one else at home (6 others) got infected. But it’s useful to keep in mind that even without lung complications, you have to manage your “inflammatory substratum”. I used the homeopathy above, (we’re not vegan or anything) which I highly recommend. One can do an “emergency intake”: 1 tablet dissolved in mouth every 15 mins for two hours. Then 1 tablet 3x day. Sin(usitis) and inFlamm(ation) are obvious choices, and the stomach has a lot of lymphatic nodes, so I added that (under an alopathic doctor’s advice, he’s weird in the sense he uses both allopathy and homeopathy. He’s been my doctor since I was in college) We did two emergency intakes on two consecutive days. And the Danzen probiotics.
One possible way of schematizing the progression of the illness is: 1) symptomatic viral 2) viral-inflammatory 3) inflammatory-viral and 4) inflammatory. Apparently the people who are in the ICU have very little or no virus in their body. As inflammation increases, viral count decreases.
The protocols we’ve discussed work for 1 and 2.
For 3, it’s more and more common to tackle it at home (where I live, hospital beds are scarce right now). Hence the oxygen concentrator (say 3l for three hours a day, very early on), and two options: dexamethasone tablets or pulmmicort inhaled, depends on the doctor. If you go in for bloodwork, they might add heparin for microtrombosis. We didn’t have to do any of that. But it’s being done, plenty of people I know come through just fine.
Also consider your food. Have nutritious stuff easy to prepare. There’s an anti inflammatory protein powder, Thorne Medí-clear, available on Amazon. Add a banana and some vitamin C and you have a nutritious anti inflammatory smoothie. Did I mention anti-inflammatory? 😅
We didn’t do any bloodwork, just oxygen monitoring, for the 14-day “quarantine” suggested nowadays. Not that we wanted to act normal or anything, we were pretty fatigued, even the workaholic. Afterwards, we checked:
BH, proteín c reactive, BNP, ferritin, procalcitonine, uric acid and vit D levels and thorax x-ray. One of those is to check the epithelium. Everything fine. Just one very grouchy person who had to hobble instead of rushing energetically.
Anyway, Peripatetic is spot-on about the medical mafia, and might I add that Gilead/remdesivir stock price doubled after The Lancet torpedoed HCQ last May, then in August sold 1 billion+ Europe’s to the EU drug relator, just before the WHO had to finally admit remdesivir doesn’t work for Covid (doesn’t lower mortality); it is a known mutagene and is perhaps responsible for the UK mutation.
Another question to address is whether young people —even asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic— should get treatment. I know of one young woman who got pulmonary fibrosis and a teen boy who has migraines. Very few symptoms, in both cases. My kids are getting homeopathy and Ivermectin for sure, more so after reading the “spermatagonia” comments (only at Unz!) .
I have already read the CDC report on excess deaths, and don’t need to read about the algorithm the CDC uses. An algorithm is only as good as the data input. The CDC numbers on excess deaths, and the proportion of excess deaths they attribute to COVID has evolved. At one point they calculated roughly 300k excess deaths, approximately 2/3 of which were COVID deaths, so they said. The CDC, which produces PCR tests, could have recommended standard Ct protocols for all tests, but didn’t, so we have no idea how accurate the COVID deaths figures are. Even so, 100k excess deaths not associated with COVID is a large number with no explanation. All your CDC quote does is crudely explain a statistical method, and does nothing to explain the causes of non-COVID excess deaths. Again, based on the bogus PCR tests, I would guess that the proportion of non-COVID excess deaths is much larger than the CDC has accounted for.
“I have already read the CDC report on excess deaths, and don’t need to read about the algorithm the CDC uses. An algorithm is only as good as the data input….At one point they calculated roughly 300k excess deaths, approximately 2/3 of which were COVID deaths, so they said. The CDC, which produces PCR tests, could have recommended standard Ct protocols for all tests, but didn’t…”
They’re looking at overall EXCESS DEATHS precisely so as to avoid any confusion about mislabeling or changes in testing. How do you not get that? The bump they’re calculating is in DEATHS, not a count of death certificates with “coronavirus” stamped on them. You claim to have read the report, but evidently you didn’t even bother to pick up on that, so why should anyone believe anything you have to say?
Again, these numbers have nothing to do with the reported cause of death or PCR cycles or anything else you’re yammering on about in this futile effort to keep from digging yourself in even deeper. The Alzheimer’s and other causes of death that I mentioned were presumably broken out in the historical record only so that they could be adjusted for growth in population (and possible growth in Alzheimer’s, etc.), so as to get the appropriate demographically adjusted average of what we would have expected deaths in the last year to be had COVID not arrived. (Also, he excluded the violent deaths given that there’s little risk of mislabeling that.) But beyond that, the excess death number has nothing to do with changes in any COVID test.
Again, try actually understanding something before assuming you’re qualified to debunk it. Because all you’ve done so far is make the CDC look like the saner alternative, so if you ARE simply a troll paid by the CDC to make the covid-truthers look even more like innumerate fools, then good job–you hit it out of the park this time.
Just found this article showing that Syncytin-1 has been found in human male gametes as well as female oocytes. It seems to have, moreover, a very important role in reproduction:
Syncytin, you may remember, is the reason why concerns have been raised about the effect of vaccines on female fertility. The idea being that the vaccine would stimulate an immune reaction in which the body would attack the germ cells, or oocytes, and destroy them with antibodies. This idea has been investigated as a method of birth control in the past.
Needless to say, if there is any validity to that concern about the effect of the vaccines on female fertility, then the concern extends equally to male fertility.
Sure sounds like you’re reversing the onus of responsibility. We can all of a sudden disregard “The Science”? Do they pay you for that?
That’s exactly what drug companies do all the time. That’s how you get your bottles of aspirin and Tylenol in your medicine cabinet. HCQ and Ivermectin are probably no more difficult to make than Tylenol and certainly a couple orders of magnitude less difficult than the vaccines, and they seem quite capable these days, even this early in the roll-out, of distributing a million doses of vaccine a day, just in the U.S.
HCQ is over-the-counter in much of the under-developed world already. You’re telling me it’s too much for the U.S.? Ivermectin is similarly used by millions of people every year. You can buy it at almost any farm co-op, for use on your horses or pet dogs.
The ‘short time’ you refer to has not been that short. It’s now almost a full year since HCQ and Ivermectin were first proposed as effective treatments. Eleven months since the state of emergency was declared. When everything we do was defined to be about the pandemic.
By the way that plausible mechanism between vaccines and male infertility has now turned up:
Thanks for the kind words. Let me make a couple more suggestions:
Buy a nebulizer. You can add all sorts of anti-viral substances to the nebulizer fluid, including salt, Vitamin C and HCQ. Use it at the first indication of sniffles or cough.
Simulate a fever if you don’t have one by sitting in a hot bath or sauna.
Consider getting your tetanus vaccine up to date.
A fascinating set of problems. Intuitively, one would need at least 100,000 subjects to have a reasonable chance of detecting a 1 in 100,000 condition, and the calculators I have looked at suggest that the number might be two or more times that to be 95% sure of finding it.
Jesus. Get a grip. So now it’s only EXCESS deaths they are looking at and the categorization of those deaths, which you referred to, is meaningless. Then how do EXCESS deaths tell us anything about the pandemic, unless you are implying that they can only be attributed to the virus. And how is this relevant to the risk-benefit analysis of the vaccine promoters? What if every other excess death is a consequence of people avoiding treatment because they have been traumatized into believing any contact with a stranger is an encounter with a loaded gun? Apparently you’re admitting you/they have no idea. Despite your hysterical response you haven’t told me a goddamn thing about the cause of these deaths.
Of course the onus for safety, including that vaccines do no harm to reproductive function, is on the developers. Being well beyond the age for wanting a neonate, I haven’t looked at the details of testicular involvement by SARS-2. Your concern is justified, but if you want to make a stronger case for that concern you would need to know specifically whether spermatogonia are reduced in number by the infection. If only spermatocytes and spermatids were destroyed, then the spermatogonia would replace them in short order and there would likely be no reduction in sperm count long term.
All right, there is your plausible mechanism. This is obviously a very messy problem at the quantitative level. Would the reduction in spermatozoa numbers by antibodies be sufficient to drop sperm counts enough to reduce fertility? Would the attack on spermatozoa reduce antibody titres enough to lower efficacy of the vaccine? Would women be more at risk for fertility reduction because of having more limited numbers of gametes and having the additional placental location of syncytin?
Then there is the other side of the coin. Does mild infection lead to a reduction in spermatogonia, the crucial cells for male gamete production? I would guess not, so the best choice for a young man would be to refuse vaccination. Will we see eligible males displaying a Certificate of Non-Vaccination on dating sites?
I guess I got off track in my first reply and discussed the effect of infection, not vaccine-triggered antibodies. See my later comment to your later comment.
You are very generous to outline so much useful information. Sincere thanks to you.
The link below describes a clinical trial in which simple iodine gargling, nasal and eye washes had a huge effect on reducing morbidity and mortality.
Effect of 1%Povidone Iodine Mouthwash/Gargle, Nasal and Eye Drop in COVID-19 patient
This could have all been mitigated easily if we weren’t ruled by sociopaths.
“So now it’s only EXCESS deaths they are looking at and the categorization of those deaths, which you referred to, is meaningless. Then how do EXCESS deaths tell us anything about the pandemic, unless you are implying that they can only be attributed to the virus.”
So you’re still pretending you read the report? Give me a break.
It’s not meaningless at all, and if you had any idea of what you were talking about it you would have figured it out for yourself. If you have a good estimate — based on the Farrington flexible algorithms you pretend you don’t need to know anything about, or else simple ordinary-least-squares regressions if you prefer — on what causes the vast majority of non-violent deaths in the US, as enumerated above — so that you would know what to expect in a given “normal” year, you can to a first-order approximation get a good idea of what COVID is doing. In the end, it’s simple subtraction. It’s not perfect, but I’m guessing you’ll get it to within 30% or so if you do it well enough and the result in that case is a pretty humongous excess death count that cannot simply be hand-waved away by anyone with a sliver of intellectual honesty.
So rather than prattling over and over about what we don’t know, and wearing your stupidity and agnosticism like it’s a badge of honor — let’s face it, you ain’t Socrates — maybe try and figure out yourself how you would estimate the death toll of this new virus if what you had was 1) a pretty good enumeration of non-violent deaths and 2) a good estimate as to the major causes of all other non-violent deaths in a normal year. Stop pretending everyone is as stupid and clueless about this as you would like to believe. Do it as if your career depended on it, i.e. the way an actual epidemiologist would. It’s really not that hard, to the extent that if I had the data, I could do a somewhat passable job myself. Not because I’m that bright, but because it’s really not that mysterious. So imagine what a trained epidemiologist — like the kind who filed that report — could do. Or, actually 阅读报告。 The fact that I have to explain to you something that’s really not that hard tells me that you’re not in a position to be debunking anything. Try and learn about what people like him have done before trying to convince everyone else of how little “we” know, because there’s no “we” here. YOU are the one who is clueless. Projecting that onto everyone else is just wishful thinking on your part.
And if you don’t like their analysis, fine, come up with something better, though I’m not holding my breath based on what I’ve seen of your analytical acumen thus far.
I see you are asking these questions from the point of view of a guy trying to decide whether to go for the vaccination. As such these are all valid questions though I rather doubt an immune attack on sperm would lower the vaccine effectiveness in preventing disease.
From past experience, I would guess none of these questions would ever be satisfactorily answered. The emphasis in fertility research is remediation, not etiology and prevention. Any such research would be complicated by a host of confounding factors. And research into fertility determinants is dominated and mostly controlled by sociologists, who have no interest in and no aptitude for medical issues.
On the other hand, vaccine shills like 那会告诉你 call me a troll for even bringing up the topic. His attitude is that anything that does not show up in an Adverse Effect report within two months is of no consequence. Why? Because Intuition. Cost.
These things are the effects that could show up in the animal testing that is normally to be done before human trials. If they were looking for it, I mean. You have to fight even for that.
They have you by the testicles.
I’ve been using 1% Povidone solution in my nebulizer since I first got it last April, I think. Included 1% hydrogen peroxide.
Stopped several cases of the sniffles. No side effects.
Posting under my real name, I will provide a response to the reply by “That Would Be Telling (TWBT).” I appreciate TWBT’s having followed my post with enumerations. TWBT skipped my items 1 and 2. As did Drs. Yeadon and Wodarg in their petition to the European Medicines Agency on December 1, 2020 to stay Phase III trials of the BIONTECH product (viz., the mRNA “vaccine”), I pointed out that there is no evidence of a pandemic and that the PCR “test” is an inadequate instrument for defining COVID infection, or the tellingly suspicious use of the term “cases” in histrionic reports by legacy Media. Given this situation, there is no basis for properly assessing the existence of an epidemic (or pandemic), thus it impossible to properly asses the risks of giving a putative vaccine (such as it is) to any given recipient.
[Henceforth use paragraphs if you want your comments published.]
Dear CanSpeecy, you are quite correct that there are feedbacks in the flow of information as it pertains to both the Central Dogma of Biology (CDB) as well as the Central Dogma of Civilization (CDC—ooooh, that unfortunate), if we can begin to use the latter term usefully.
Thanks for your comment which certainly provides food for thought, with or without paragraphs (I assume that you are German not only in name but, in some degree, in culture, hence the long paragraph — Germans are bigger-brained, presumably, than Anglophones, and therefore able to handle what to we mere English speakers consider astoundingly complex constructions.)
But to revert to your point, I agree, the Great Reset is an attempt by a globalized plutocracy to high-jack Western civilization and reduce the mass of mankind to a condition of mind-controlled slavery, devoid of human rights, particularly free speech and real education, a brain-chipped class of latter day Morlocks.
Hi CanSpeccy. Well, actually I am rather small brained. I barely am able to find my cowboy hats in the adult section of the western-wear stores. Maybe I have deeper convolutions on the surface of my brain, but smart people that I respect tell me that I merely have more convoluted thinking—not the same.
As for the use of paragraphs, there were comment sections that I used in the past that simply deleted my paragraph separations and rammed everything together. Thus, I internalized the rebuke and have followed the practice automatically.
There does seem to be a diminution of our ability (me too) to consider extended thoughts. In my roughly decade-long tenure in public service, I found a managerial class that is less and less capable of dealing with reasonable volumes of data. Field personnel and their supervisors would prefer multiple trips accomplishing goals haphazardly, if not in error, to the practice of precise communication. Any attempt to correct this is met with punish of—guess who? I suspect that having sloppy systems and promoting frontline incompetence allows for the camouflaging of malfeasance and the erasure of trails of decision-making and competency. I was working in a public health sector. I saw a decade ahead of time things which only later and, especially only after the year 2020, made fuller sense. Government and the private sectors were being set up not to act in a manner that subverted evidence-based regulation and replaced it with Roritarian, pragmatist, post-modern, totalitarian machine for propagating absolute falsities. It is mind-control all over again—or should I say, “still?”
In my travels a few days ago, I was awaiting flight check-in. Two young ladies, apparently business travelers, were chatting. They were engaged in mutual agreement about how they really enjoyed working at home because of policies enacted as a result of COVID (such as it is. I could not take it any longer. I politely interjected myself into the conversation and challenged thier assumptions on a number of points such as PCR (I have dome PCR), and the lack of good immunolabeling-specific electron-micrographic imaging of the virus in tissues from autopsy (I have done EM as well). One wpman retorted that her mother is a respiratory therapist and she really believes in masks. (Really, my august reverence is beyond description.) The other woman asserted that she is happy to wear a mask, it is not that much trouble and she is eager to do whatever the government wants. Need I comment? Is this perhaps the ill effect of having elevated the influence of females in society? I cannot answer this question, but I will let you entertain the question on your own.
I noticed a man paying interewst to our question. I noticed him again, later, as we are checking him. He was chided by the check-in clerk that the gator-cloth “masks” such as he was wearing was considered insufficient by the airlines (as if any mask in a crowded plane could possibly come close to being effective). This customer promptly lowered the gator mask and positioned into place a paper mask underneath, stating: “Actually, I work for the CDC.” Well, isn’t that comforting? As we boarded the plane he was fiddling with his baggage in his seat as is common before hoisting it into the overhead compartment. (He was seated in first class, don’t you know.) I bent over and behind him and whispered: “This unscientific childishness must end.” His lack of response told me that my message just may have hit home.
There may be a SARS-CoV-2 virus, a virus of suspicious origin—and I am not talking about the nation of origin, though that is not irrelevant in the complexity of the story. The relevance of the nation of origin of the virus is not understood, I suspect, in a manner that is superficially interpretable. But it is quite clear now to most examiners of the totality and specifics of the events of year 2020 and before, that the “COVID pandemic,” as well as are the pseudo-vaccines, are utter, criminal fakeries in support of an even larger, historical and global crime of tyranny, murder, theft, pan-optacon surveillance and fraud.
The juridical and due punishment perpetrators should be proportional, thus the purpose of the oligarchs having their own crooks in the offices of prosecutors, courts, presidents, bureaucrats, newsrooms and–above all–the banks.
I am convinced that “That Would be Telling” is disinformation Troll.
They are many, but we outnumber them.
As with so many things in life this is true. What I’m seeing now is the natural reaction to a year of incessant brainwashing… that people are tired and just give up