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世纪之交易 是一部 1983 年的好莱坞喜剧,讲述了不正当的军火商密谋兜售新武器,“允许进行局部和常规战争,使(全球军火工业的)业务在下个世纪保持活力。” 三十五年后,一个非虚构的狡猾商人贾里德库什纳借用了他所谓的中东和平计划的称号。 这是某种恶心的笑话吗? 糟糕的好莱坞翻拍? 库什纳和他的同伙杰森·格林布拉特和大卫·弗里德曼是否为他们所谓的和平计划选择了这个头衔,作为一种尖刻的承认,即其真正目的是让犹太复国主义对穆斯林东部的战争持续到下个世纪?

库什纳所谓的和平计划显然注定要失败。 它没有提供巴勒斯坦人可以接受的最低限度:一个真正拥有主权的巴勒斯坦,包括 1967 年被以色列窃取的所有领土及其首都圣城,以及以色列承认国际公认的巴勒斯坦回归权和一项计划——无论多么渐进——为了它的实施。 少一点是行不通的。

库什纳的计划不仅比上面少了一点,甚至少了很多。 这是一个笑话。 据了解该计划的阿拉伯官员称,犹太复国主义者将保留并扩大他们在 1967 年被盗领土上的定居点。他们将占领整个圣城,在郊区留下一些巴勒斯坦居民区。 不会有主权的巴勒斯坦国。 相反,巴勒斯坦人将被赶到一个略微扩大的加沙露天集中营,其中包括一小部分邻近的埃及沙漠,这些沙漠仍处于埃及而非巴勒斯坦的控制之下。 由此产生的班图斯坦星座将被贴上“新巴勒斯坦”的标签,其居民将没有主权。 相反,他们实际上会向以色列监狱看守支付“保护费”。

“交易”相当于清算巴勒斯坦和完成对巴勒斯坦人民的种族灭绝。 显然,库什纳的激进犹太复国主义顾问杰森格林布拉特和大卫弗里德曼知道他们的计划不仅不可行,而且是对每个巴勒斯坦人的侮辱。 它提供的唯一东西就是金钱——就好像一个多世纪以来为自己的事业勇敢地战斗和牺牲(在此过程中失去了数万名烈士)的巴勒斯坦人愿意卖淫以换取比这更糟糕的东西屈辱的投降。

显然,这个极具侮辱性的提案是为了被拒绝而设计的。 也许它的真正目的是发动新一轮的战争,公关口号证明了这一点:“我们向巴勒斯坦人提供了非常好的交易,非常好,我们称之为‘世纪交易’,但那些忘恩负义的巴勒斯坦人不会接受它。” 这正是犹太复国主义者过去所做的,特别是在 2000 年戴维营首脑会议之后,他们故意提出不可行的提案,以获得巴勒斯坦人的拒绝,这将提供公关掩护继续他们的 9/11 错误旗帜,无情地试图镇压巴勒斯坦抵抗运动,并诱使美国入侵和破坏犹太复国主义者视为敌人的地区国家的稳定。 所有这一切都符合 1996 年内塔尼亚胡委托的犹太复国主义战略 一刀切文件 由 9/11 嫌疑人 Richard Perle 领导的新保守派撰写——与 2000 年 9 月 11/XNUMX“重建美国防御”蓝图的创作者大致相同,该蓝图公开呼吁即将到来的“新珍珠港设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

由于库什纳-格林布拉特-弗里德曼的“和平计划”实际上是一项战争计划,因此对其后果的任何地缘政治分析都必须检查一旦该计划正式推出并被否决后将加速的冲突。 这些冲突可能是该地区持续存在的长期冲突的延续。

短期和中期影响

首先,由越来越极端的右翼强硬派主导的以色列政府将加强其定居点建设和种族清洗计划。 巴勒斯坦人将别无选择,只能通过和平示威和集会、全球 BDS 运动以及或多或少的军事抵抗来继续抵抗,这取决于他们的能力和战略机会。 对巴勒斯坦人来说,好消息是库什纳协议令人震惊的侮辱性提供了一个机会来统一他们的队伍,结束或缓和巴勒斯坦权力机构与包括哈马斯和伊斯兰圣战组织在内的真正抵抗组织之间的分裂。 拉姆齐巴鲁德 这表明,围绕拒绝库什纳“交易”的新发现的巴勒斯坦团结可能导致哈马斯与法塔赫的非腐败分子之间达成和解,随后巴勒斯坦解放组织 (PLO) 复活。 巴鲁德写道,“华盛顿采取的通过拒绝巴勒斯坦人迫切需要的资金、撤销巴解组织在华盛顿的外交地位以及回避巴勒斯坦权力机构作为政治盟友来孤立巴勒斯坦权力机构的步骤,提供了开启必要的政治对话的机会,最终可以实现一个严肃的法塔赫-哈马斯和解。 以色列也通过扣留代表巴勒斯坦权力机构征收的税款,失去了对马哈茂德·阿巴斯及其在拉马拉的政府施加压力的最后一张牌。 在这一点上,美国和以色列几乎没有其他办法可以对巴勒斯坦人施加更大的压力。”

美国-犹太复国主义失去影响力为巴勒斯坦人提供了真正的机会。 已故 艾伦·哈特,前 BBC 中东记者和秘密渠道和平谈判代表,在 2018 年 XNUMX 月去世前几年一直认为,巴勒斯坦人的最佳策略是“解散无能和腐败的巴勒斯坦权力机构,并将对占领的全部责任和责任交还给以色列” 哈特写道,这样的举动“不仅会给以色列带来重大的财政、安全和其他负担,还会使关于冲突的全球讨论和辩论得以集中,而不会分散注意力在占领和结束占领的必要性上。 ” 这实质上就是巴鲁德在他关于恢复统一的巴解组织的建议中所提倡的。 现在美国不再贿赂巴勒斯坦权力机构为以色列做肮脏的工作,这种情况似乎非常可行。

如果巴勒斯坦权力机构解散,巴勒斯坦人要组成一个统一的抵抗阵线,由此产生的对峙将需要仲裁——但不是通常的(美国)嫌疑人。 过去的所有“和平进程”都以一个压倒一切的原因惨遭失败:犹太复国主义者主导着美国媒体、金融和政治,因此美国不能成为一个合理的中立仲裁者。 相反,它充当了犹太复国主义的附属物。 有效的仲裁者和谈判调解者必须代表接受 70 年来联合国决议所反映的广泛国际共识的实体。 联合国大会本身,或者可能是相对独立国家的联盟,可能比美国人更有效地促成和平。

在统一巴勒斯坦人的同时,库什纳的“世纪惨败”也可能产生有益的效果,即团结该地区相对合理的力量反对该计划,并支持新联合的巴解组织主持解散巴勒斯坦权力机构和要求犹太复国主义者履行国际法规定的义务。 由伊朗、叙利亚、黎巴嫩、伊拉克和也门组成的抵抗轴心领导的穆斯林东部广泛的国家联盟,但也扩展到土耳其、卡塔尔等非轴心国,以及任何其他区域国家有能力放弃沙特的贿赂,将反对库什纳的荒谬交易。 最终,沙特人和他们邪恶的双胞胎阿联酋人将拿着没人想要的贿赂袋。

该协议的失败可能会加速在叙利亚战争结束期间一直在发展的区域调整。 土耳其和卡塔尔原本都是叙利亚战争的积极参与者,但由于叙利亚反政权更迭斗争的胜利,他们被迫重新考虑他们的优先事项和战略。 毫无疑问,这两个国家都会加入抵抗轴心,对协议嗤之以鼻,并支持巴勒斯坦人拒绝它。

从长远来看,库什纳的崩溃可能会产生与其预期效果相反的结果:它不会终结巴勒斯坦人的厄运,反而会团结和统一巴勒斯坦人及其支持者。 胎死腹中的交易将作为重大战略失误载入史册。 有一天,它可能会被视为解放巴勒斯坦的漫长道路上的一个重要里程碑。

巴林会议惨败

25 月 26 日至 XNUMX 日,哈利法家族的腐败暴君及其沙特主子主持了来自四大洲的犯罪寡头及其追随者的会议。 议程:Kosher Nostra 太子党贾里德库什纳注定要贿赂巴勒斯坦人,使其成为他们自己种族灭绝的同谋。

简而言之,库什纳的想法是用武力武装盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国的海湾傀儡国家,向巴勒斯坦提供 50 亿美元,以换取巴勒斯坦无条件投降。 在巴勒斯坦老鼠啃掉奶酪之后,那次卑鄙投降的卑鄙条款会像锤子一样落下。

但是老鼠没有咬人。 其他人也没有。 整个事件变成了彻头彻尾的惨败,知情的观察员已经看到一英里外的火车失事。

会议的奥威尔式标题:“和平走向繁荣”。 但是,正如名字所暗示的那样,这次会议并没有提出一个可行的和平计划作为通向繁荣的道路,而只是犹太复国主义者赞助的一系列西方事业中的最新一个其他人神话般的金钱作为第一步,希望“和平”——对巴勒斯坦人来说,坟墓的和平——会神奇地随之而来。 这种屡屡失败的方法可以概括为:“让我们向巴勒斯坦人扔钱,希望他们会离开。”

库什纳和他的犹太复国主义同事试图将这次会议作为阿拉伯默许以色列扩张主义议程的突破口。 但事实恰恰相反。 唯一出现的阿拉伯国家是那些处于事实上的盎格鲁-犹太复国主义占领下的国家(即约旦、摩洛哥、埃及和海湾傀儡君主国)。 甚至那些狡猾的政府也明确拒绝派遣任何重要人物。 相反,他们由默默无闻的低级部长“代表”。

就欧洲人而言,他们甚至懒得派遣初级部长。 大多数部署的是中层公务员,而法国人心不在焉地从他们的巴林大使馆派人过来。 (也许是看门人?)正如 Daniel Levy 所写 美国展望:“在没有认真的人的情况下,全球透明治理的典范,国际足联主席詹尼·因凡蒂诺(Gianni Infantino)扮演了主角。”

不只是严肃的人没有出现; 这也是严肃的钱。 库什纳神话般的 50 亿美元巴勒斯坦援助计划仍然完全是神话,因为海湾国家显然没有提供承诺,更不用说拿出任何实际现金了。

但最大的缺口不是没有现金和重要人物; 会议应该讨论的对象,即巴勒斯坦人,缺席了。 所有巴勒斯坦派别联合起来抵制库什纳的伪装,迫使美国人取消对以色列人的邀请,以维持整个制作不是以色列精心策划的公共关系奇观的假象。

不出所料,这种奇观一落千丈。 那么,以色列为什么要费心策划这样一个巨大的失败呢? 他们真的相信他们可以在巴勒斯坦人和他们的领导层之间制造分裂吗? 他们是否认为普通的巴勒斯坦人会对库什纳虚幻的 50 亿美元的前景垂涎三尺,然后站起来迫使他们的领导人向犹太复国主义者投降? 难道以色列人没有意识到巴勒斯坦人民通常比他们的大多数领导人更致力于他们的事业吗? 以色列公关专家真的有那么无能吗? “我们以色列人的麻烦在于,我们已经成为我们自己宣传的受害者,” Shlomo Gazit 少将曾告诉 BBC 记者 Alan Hart。 坦率地说,加兹特的观点是,以色列人太爱自己了,看不到别人的观点,以至于他们分不清宣传谎言和现实之间的区别——道德和战略上的失败最终将证明他们的失败.

犹太复国主义者希望麦纳麦会议能够成功地分裂和征服他们的反对派。 至少自 Oden Yinon 在其臭名昭著的文章“1980 年代以色列的战略”。 具体来说,他们希望将巴勒斯坦人民彼此分开,并与他们的领导层分开。 他们想将阿拉伯人与阿拉伯人分开,尤其是将阿拉伯人与伊朗人分开。 (巴林会议旨在在美国将与伊朗的紧张局势升级到几乎达到临界点的确切时刻,在阿拉伯暴君和犹太复国主义实体之间建立更紧密的联系,这并非偶然。)

但麦纳麦四季会议适得其反,将巴勒斯坦人和大多数其他相关政党联合起来反对库什纳的闹剧。 包括所有重要派系(甚至微不足道的派系)在内的整个巴勒斯坦领导层都抵制了这次会议,并公开蔑视它。 在这一点上,他们几乎得到了巴勒斯坦人民的一致支持。 唯一来到麦纳麦的巴勒斯坦人是几个小商人,想赚几个谢克尔,只代表他们自己可怜的钱包。 他们一回到巴勒斯坦就被辱骂为叛徒。

“库什纳的愚蠢”也遭到伊斯兰会议组织(OIC)大多数成员的抵制。 最重要的伊斯兰会议组织国家,包括土耳其、巴基斯坦、马来西亚、印度尼西亚,当然还有伊斯兰伊朗,都拒绝出席麦纳麦会议。

设置失败?

通过他们的傀儡库什纳精心策划麦纳麦游戏的强硬犹太复国主义者真的期望它会带来任何结果吗? 他们不可能天真到期望它会吸引大量巴勒斯坦人的参与。 所以它一定是被设置为失败的。 为了什么目的?

首先,这次会议显然是为了让狡诈的阿拉伯精英更深入地参与到犹太复国主义支持的虚假和平进程中,以便进一步使这些精英与巴勒斯坦人及其支持者结盟,其中最重要的是伊斯兰伊朗。 但那些以海湾酋长国为首的阿拉伯傀儡政府只能走这么远,因为他们的人民同情巴勒斯坦人。 任何与以色列全面正常化的尝试都可能导致民众动荡和内部驱动的政权更迭。 因此,麦纳麦会议至多对阿拉伯精英与他们昔日的犹太复国主义敌人的秘密重新结盟做出了增量贡献。

其次,这次会议旨在推销“巴勒斯坦拒绝主义”这一常见的假新闻故事。 几十年来,犹太复国主义者无数次使用这种方法:提出一个任何巴勒斯坦人都不可能接受的荒谬“提议”,然后利用犹太复国主义者主导的西方媒体大肆宣传:“巴勒斯坦人永远不会错过机会机会。” 现实——巴勒斯坦人已经勇敢而出色地成功地“错失”了他们自己帮助进行种族灭绝的反复机会——对于没有被犹太复国主义宣传机器催眠的每个人来说都是显而易见的。

麦纳麦会议不仅没有达到其表面上的官方目标,而且也没有达到上述实际目标。 它非但没有帮助叛国的阿拉伯亿万富翁与以色列重新结盟,反而使上述重新结盟变得更加困难。 以 Kosher Nostra 太子党和第一女婿贾里德库什纳为代表的精神病伊斯兰恐惧症特朗普政府在阿拉伯群众中并不十分受欢迎,特别是在美国支持犹太复国主义盗窃耶路撒冷圣城之后。 “库什纳和平计划”的内爆对亲犹太复国主义的阿拉伯叛徒来说几乎不是公关加分。

至于巴勒斯坦人拒绝主义的说法,即使在 1990 年代后期也很难推销,当时犹太复国主义者利用他们的美人计特工莫妮卡莱温斯基来阻止比尔克林顿强迫以色列同意巴勒斯坦人可以接受的条件。 甚至在那个时候,当犹太复国主义对主流媒体的统治意味着对官方叙事的完全控制时,没有两个神经突触开火的人会相信这种荒谬的犹太复国主义宣传线,即奥斯陆的失败在某种程度上是巴勒斯坦人的错。

今天,媒体格局发生了变化。 主流媒体不再拥有广泛的信任,犹太复国主义罪行的真相越来越难以掩盖。 越来越多的西方人,包括越来越多的美国犹太人,认识到极端主义利库德尼克犹太复国主义已将以色列和世界拖到灾难的边缘。 出于这些和其他原因,灾难性的麦纳麦会议的余波不会让世界沉睡,只会有助于唤醒它。

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  1. “贾里德接触到的一切都会变成金子。”

    他的 FIL 就是这样告诉我们的。

    更像是屎。

  2. 不错的地图。但是,嘿——这就是当你开始一场战争然后输掉一场又一场战争时会发生的情况。你会不断失去领土。那些愚蠢的爱哭鬼穆罕默德还没有弄清楚这一点。如果那些所谓的巴勒斯坦人不喜欢他们的处境,就让他们搬到伊朗吧。

  3. chris 说:

    Mayb it’s not a coincidence that this “stillborn” trap should be announced around the anniversary of the Versailles Treaty.

  4. @Lot

    Uh….Syria was wrecked by ISIS and ISIS was funded by Mossad and the CIA.
    The destruction of Syria was not the fault of Assad.

    你去吧

    Israel is intent on wrecking the entire ME, as well as all of Christendom.

    People understand what is happening.

    Nice graphics though.

    • 同意: Desert Fox
  5. Milton 说:

    目前统治以色列的犹太复国主义者是“撒旦会堂”的代名词。 他们不享受上帝的保护或祝福,因为他们违反了上帝的律法和圣约。 他们无权进入应许之地,因为他们不相信应许者。 他们是原始犹太复国主义者西蒙·巴尔·乔拉、吉斯卡拉的约翰和以利亚撒·本·西蒙的继承人,他们将摧毁现代以色列国家,就像他们的祖先摧毁第二圣殿一样。 他们就是以利亚在迦密山与他们争战的邪恶以色列人,那些嘲笑、折磨、杀害旧约先知的邪恶以色列人,那些将要诞生敌基督者的邪恶以色列人,以及神记录在圣书里的那些邪恶以色列人。圣经在天上的宝座上嘲笑。 他们目前处于世界之巅,但骄傲在堕落之前就已经到来,他们确实已经准备好坠落得很远了。 上帝不会永远被嘲笑,他们的罪孽向天堂呼求报仇。

  6. JNDillard 说:

    谁能告诉我为什么巴勒斯坦还没有到联合国安理会要求就其国家地位进行投票?既然知道会失败,为什么不去大会要求投票,因为它肯定会通过呢?巴勒斯坦社区内部对于这一明显而有效的国际承认其权利的步骤的抵制来自哪里,而美国、以色列和欧盟显然正在阻止这一步骤?

    • 回复: @Miggle
    , @renfro
    , @Curmudgeon
  7. It reads as well reasoned. But….. what’s the evidence for Monica Lewinsky being part of a Zionist honey trap? On his record weren’t his foolish blow jobs followed by perjury because of entanglemement in the Paula Jones case readily accomplished by him alone?

    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
  8. Alfred 说:
    @Charles_Martel

    一战又一战

    巴勒斯坦人或他们的邻国发动了哪场战争?

    以色列人最后一次赢得战争是什么时候? 1967 年?

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @General Koofta
  9. Jared Kushner hosted this bizarre meeting in Bahrain’s capital Manama. This gathering consisted of corrupt tyrants of the House of Khalifa, its murderous Saudi masters, and foreign henchmen such as the war criminal Tony Blair. This conference aimed at bribing the Palestinians into total surrender. No Palestinian showed up because everybody knew that it was a Zionist plan hammered out by Benjamin Netanyahu, Jason Greenblatt, and the infamous US ambassador David Friedman. This Manama charade was set up by the Zionist to fail. As long as President Trump is in office, no Palestinian should speak, not to negotiate with any of his representatives. To start new fruitless negotiations, Palestinians should instead talk to the real master in Jerusalem directly.

  10. mark green 说:

    As for the narrative of Palestinian rejectionism, that was a hard sell even in the late 1990s, when the Zionists used their honey trap agent Monica Lewinsky to prevent Bill Clinton from forcing Israel to agree to terms the Palestinians could accept.

    This is a fascinating theory but is there anything to it besides the fact that Lewinsky was Jewish?

    After all, Jews often marry into prominent gentile families (Chelsea Clinton, Lauren Bush, Ivanka Trump all married Jewish men; and these Christian girls had Jewish weddings). But why aren’t these marriages merely examples of assortative mating patterns and/or Jewish power climbing?

    • 同意: Ilyana_Rozumova
  11. @Charles_Martel

    1947年《联合国宪章》第一章第一条第二款,

    在尊重人民平等权利和自决原则的基础上发展国家间友好关系,并采取其他适当措施加强世界和平;

    那时巴勒斯坦70%是巴勒斯坦人。以色列国在其独立时违反了国际法的精神和文字。

  12. Davidson20 说:

    犹太复国主义者阿肯纳齐 (1880-1917-1947-)

    犹太复国主义者阿兹肯纳齐(60-70% 欧洲人,30-40% 土耳其-叙利亚-波斯人)……抵达“迦南之地”……并释放了混乱和恐怖……

    他们(犹太复国主义者阿斯肯纳齐)做了罗马人没有做的事:驱逐“迦南之地”的阿拉伯“土地人民”(“am ha'erezt”)……他们带来了阿拉伯文化和拉比传统的人民(米兹拉欣)

    这是四个截然不同的故事:

    (一)青铜时代“迦南之地”阿拉伯人的历史
    (二)波斯帝国阿拉姆统治阶级的历史
    (C) 一种在古代世界广泛传播的宗教的历史,它以火药的火在妇女中传播开来
    (D) 阿肯纳齐恐怖的历史 (1930/1947-) …一个身份主义国家,其中有“人民(领主)”(“HerrensVolk”)和没有公民权利并处于军事统治之下的人民

  13. A123 说:

    这是巴勒斯坦的实际地图:

    — 3/4 of the land went to Muslim Palestine
    — 1/4 of the land went to Jewish Palestine

    _____

    作者使用了一张来自 MSNBC 的虚假且 100% 揭穿的地图:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2015/10/msnbc-middle-east-expert-martin-fletcher-uses-anti-israel-propaganda-map/

    请记住,《古兰经》要求穆斯林撒谎。 这种做法被称为 Taqiyya (1)。 圣战的伊斯兰负责人要求穆斯林从异教徒那里窃取土地。 像任何小骗子一样,他们必须使用 Taqiyya 谎言来掩盖盗窃。

    The fake MSNBC map is *故意地* designed to make peace impossible. It is an instrument of Jihadi conquest. Violent Islamic Jihadi groups like Fatah and al’Hamas claiming to speak for Muslims living Judea and Samaria are trying to kill this peace effort.

    Fatah and al’Hamas are unpopular with people who are trying to make a living under their extremist rule. The one thing that could jump start the peace effort is giving INDIVIDUALS and FAMILIES, the ability to ‘Vote with Their Feet’ by returning to their historical homeland, thus escaping the violent rule of al’Hamas and Fatah.

    和平

    _______

    (1) https://barenakedislam.com/2009/04/09/muslim-lies-learn-how-to-recognize-taqiyya-islamic-art-of-deception/

  14. @Lot

    你有 before picture of Gaza,…

    这是 after...

    Explain what your definition of ‘接壤于‘ is exactly.

  15. @Charles_Martel

    作为大屠杀幸存者,您可能应该得到一些钱。

    为您提供信息 ass-O-le ,
    让美国向巴勒斯坦人提供武器和金钱,就像他们向非法以色列那样,然后我们就可以看到谁会弄清楚,什么。

  16. It’s probably a good idea to have the money in hand if you intend to purchase land. And i also think it’s a good idea to have prepped the meeting with decision makers, their prominance is of no value if the proposal is untenable. Nobel laureates were awarded the last peace proposal.

    The financials are important in my view and should be considered. I say that because the international community has no interest in protecting what remains of Palestine. And that has always been essential. It is no coincidence that the map, if accurate reflects the withdrawal of international enforcement of agreements. And that is unfortunate.

    And if I were the Palestinians, I would look to that fact in making any assessment. The foreign community makes a lot of hay about Israeli violations, but they are very short in insuring that said agreements are maintained.

    ____________________________

    “Regarding your jihadi-approved map series…”

    I am unsure what this means. While I support Israel right to exist, I am suspect that she is surrounded by hostile states minus provocation. And that is where I have to consider your map suspect. Israel has instigated so much hostility — and no small amount deliberately. And that matters. In her establishment she made assurances that she would not engage in Zionist ambitions but has repeatedly done just the opposite.

    I am going to eschew the “God” said so assail. Because will do what he says he will do. For people of faith it’s always the question whether it’s God or me. It’s easy to assume that successful endeavours are of God or that success is achieved as god intended.

    I suspect that should 300 million people descend on Israel she would be over run. The reality is that she is not being threatened by 300 million people. It’s not that complicated or all engrossing. The matter is rather simple — if there is evidence that Israel has violated agreements or codices regarding Palestine, they should be redressed. The fact that Israel has antagonized her neighbors is not cause for land graft.

    ---------------

    I appreciate the faith and practice of christians, but what constitutes christian ethos is the New Testament. The old testament has incredible value and force, but that value and force as with all things biblical has very particular contexts. And not a single Apostle, not Christ, not a single christian even is noted to have made a case for christians to support Israel no matter what she does in the secular sense. Provision for christ’s sake. And clearly the US has done so. But then we are not talking about Israelies who support murdering children in the womb, homosexual relations, or any number of very specific scriptural violations. In fact those jews who have a strict adherence to scripture are largely shunned in Israel.

    I guess it comes down to a matter if faith as opposed to will.

    ------------

    Still Palestine should consider seriously her options and to that I think the article makes a fine point she must be unified in purpose and plan.

  17. GazaLibre 说:

    I can’t wait to see his deal for Americans living under zionist occupation in the US. Let me guess: in exchange for the right to work in an Amazon warehouse for $6 an hour we must agree to have all white people liquidated and Christianity declared a crime punishable by imprisonment in the local Jewish-run gulag. Except of course for girls under fourteen, who get a temporary reprieve in order to serve the racially superior Jew. Oh, thank you Jared!

    • 回复: @Rev. Spooner
    , @TimeTraveller
  18. “The trouble with us Israelis is that we’ve become the victims of our own propaganda,” Major General Shlomo Gazit once told BBC correspondent Alan Hart. Gazit’s point, put bluntly, is that Israelis are so in love with themselves, and so unable to see anyone else’s point of view, that they cannot tell the difference between propaganda lies and reality—an ethical and strategic failing that will eventually prove their undoing.

    Count on it. Their undoing is beginning and I’m already enjoying the completion of it.

  19. Miggle 说:
    @JNDillard

    电子起义组织的阿里·阿布尼玛 (Ali Abunimah) 和以色列·沙米尔 (Israel Shamir) 尽管争吵表明阿布尼玛可能是个骗子,但他们(如果我没记错的话)一致认为,唯一可能的解决方案是所有人享有平等权利的一国解决方案。那么,联合国安理会对第二个国家的投票有何帮助呢?欧洲人谈论的两国解决方案都意味着下次的自由。不,下次吧。

    巴勒斯坦人是他们自己最大的敌人。伊斯兰教不能容忍政教分离或宗教自由,因为它必须是霸权。它捍卫自由 崇拜 这与自由不同 宗教。

    If Hamas were to give up on past Utopianism, demand one state, immediate but total annexation, equal citizenship and equal rights for all, in a state named Israel but with the Knesset having the right to change the name, not troubling for now over refugee return but with the Knesset able to legislate on that, the problem would disappear. But because Islam is its own worst enemy that won’t happen for a little while.

    再次强调,哈马斯的首要任务是建立一个人人享有平等权利的国家,承认这是唯一真正重要的事情。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  20. Why are you lying about how Occupied Palestine really turned out in 1948? European invaders were given 55% of Palestine and the indigenous Palestinians remanded to 45%.

    Even that wasn’t enough for the greedy invaders, who now have stolen around 80% of Palestine and control the rest.

    Kushner-Greenblatt-Friedman, the three ‘Americans’ who put together the STEAL of the Century.

    A steal if your a Khazar invader.

    Kushner, a failed NYC/Baltimore slumlord, thought he could use the same sleazy tactics he uses in his tenements, but it failed big time.
    So instead of Daddy-in-law explaining what failed, Tubby the Grifter has slapped on his Klan hood and went night hunting for Americans who were uppity enough to use their right to Free Speech.
    Something that Trump doesn’t understand, since he was a DRAFT DODGER when his nation called.

  21. @A123

    And what about? ref. Wikipedia.

    Article 25 of the Mandate for Palestine allowed for the exclusion of Transjordan from unspecified provisions of the Mandate. On 16 September 1922, Lord Balfour, representing the United Kingdom, reminded the Council of the League of Nations of Article 25 of the Mandate for Palestine (which had been previously approved but had not yet come into effect). He then told the council that the British government now proposed to carry out this article, as had always been intended by the League of Nations and the British government. He then presented a memorandum for approval.

    The border between the territory of Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine was defined for the first time in the memorandum, as follows: all territory lying to the east of a line drawn from a point two miles west of the town of Akaba on the Gulf of that name up the centre of the Wady Araba, Dead Sea and River Jordan to its junction with the River Yarmuk: thence up the centre of that river to the Syrian frontier.

    In September 1922, the Council of the League of Nations recognised Transjordan as a state under the terms of the Transjordan memorandum. Transjordan remained a British mandate until 1946, but it had been granted a greater level of autonomy than the region west of the Jordan River.

    From that point onwards, Britain administered the part west of the Jordan River as Palestine, and the part east of the Jordan River as Transjordan.

    So what you have labelled in your map as Arab Palestine was never that; it was recognised only as Transjordan and it became the Kingdom of Jordan. It looks like you are being dishonest and not Kevin Barrett.

    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  22. @Commentator Mike

    And for those who claim that Wikipedia lies in favour of the Jews, how come in this case it has not revised history to bolster the Zionist case? But when it comes to the Holocaust and WWII some of you wiki doubters claim it is all Jewish lies and cannot be relied on to give the facts as they are.

  23. Desert Fox 说:

    Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto , a Palestinian holocaust!

    Not a voice of protest is raised against this crime against the have murdered Palestinian men , women and children as the Israeli murderers stole Palestinians homeland\

    Israel is doing to Palestinians what the nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto, committing a holocaust against the Palestinians and stealing the Palestinians home land in a crime of world proportions as the Israelis shoot men, women and children and Palestine disappears.

  24. Rags 说:
    @Lot

    除了伊朗之外,在您的犹太洁食地图上没有人是犹太人占领的巴勒斯坦的严重敌人。

  25. anon[260]• 免责声明 说:
    @Charles_Martel

    > 这就是当你开始一场战争然后又输掉一场战争时会发生什么

    那么大屠杀对于这场战争的失败者来说是公平的吗?感谢您澄清这一点。

    • 回复: @Al Liguori
  26. @Wizard of Oz

    As I recall, Clinton’s biggest Zionist financial backer sent Lewinsky to the White House, where she became a “modern Esther”: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/latter-day-esther-a-boon-to-jewish-right-1.128348 All informed observers agree that she wrecked Clinton’s chances to force Israel to make peace.

    • 回复: @Greg Bacon
  27. @A123

    As Nicolas just said, the Zionists are really out in force on this one.

    • 回复: @A123
  28. Trump appointed his Orthodox Jewish son in law Jared Kushner as the head peace negotiator. The Orthodox oppose Zionism and always have. They refuse to fight in the IDF. Moreover, as an Orthodox Jew, Kushner philosophically opposes the creation of Israel to begin with. Why hasn’t the MSM/DoS/CIA even passingly mentioned this obvious fact in their domestic propaganda operations?

    • 回复: @Antares
  29. Barrett’s piece really seems to have triggered the Zionists.

    They’re dragging out every discredited old lie they can think of. I take it they have no response to anything that’s actually in the article.

  30. nsa 说:

    Commenters here might reconsider what they wish for. If the jew were evicted from the Levant, where do you think he would go? You got it….to the New Jerusalem across the pond and we would have 5 million more of the conniving assholes over here fleecing the peasantry at their crappy businesses and grifting the system to the max. You want that? Better to emulate the Russians and figure out how to export the jew to the Levant where they can stay busy cheating each other and jousting endlessly with the muzzie hordes, who may not be very smart but make up for it in numbers.

  31. @Kevin Barrett

    All informed observers agree that she wrecked Clinton’s chances to force Israel to make peace.

    Yes, but she had help, in the very willing and way too randy Clinton, who never learned to keep his zipper shut.

    But Monica had help. The Mossad keep a psychological profile of all Western politicians, so they know where their weak spot is to take advantage.
    Just the sort of thing an 盟友 does to its friend?

    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
    , @Malla
  32. @Greg Bacon

    Mossad sexual blackmail is of course back in the news thanks to Clinton/Trump’s child-pimp pal Jeffrey Epstein.

  33. anonymous[252]• 免责声明 说:
    @Charles_Martel

    “Let those so-called Palestinians move to Iran if they don’t like their situation.”

    Exactly. Muslims took over the vast majority of Christian/Jewish Middle East over the centuries. Massacred and enslaved millions, confiscated their property, forced conversions. I have no sympathy for asshole Muslim Palestinians in their “claims”. Let Muslims give back the land they stole from Christians and Jews and then we’ll talk. Let’s start with the atrocities of the millions of Armenians and Greeks who were exterminated in Turkey. Nothing good comes from the presence of Muslims in Christian countries as we’ve seen in countless examples whether it’s the civil war in Lebanon or what’s happening in Europe and the US.

  34. Malla 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    The Mossad keep a psychological profile of all Western politicians, so they know where their weak spot is to take advantage.
    Just the sort of thing an ally does to its friend?

    They have been doing this for centuries.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
  35. Desert Fox 说:
    @Malla

    Not only that, but Israel and traitors in the zio/US did 911 and the USS Liberty, see the book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen, can be had on amazon, about the joint zio/US and Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.

    • 回复: @Malla
  36. This strikes me as at least as relevant as most of the Zionists’ posts — and it has the virtue of not consisting of gross falsehoods.

    ‘Twelve Israelis, some under 18, were arrested in Cyprus on suspicion that they raped a 19-year-old British tourist at a hotel in the resort town Ayia Napa, local media outlets reported Wednesday…’

    ‘Israelis,’ of course, always means ‘Israeli Jews.’

  37. anonymous[204]• 免责声明 说:

    Please watch the following interview done by Judy Woodruff with a zionist jewish mafia, as Trump’s ‘advisor’, Jason Greenblatt, a pathological liar.

    You realize soon that how criminal and savage these thieves are. Judy woodruff even does not dare to challenge Greenblatt’s lies.

    What is the purpose of this show except entertainment?

    THEY CANNOT FOOL ANYONE except themselves. Throw the fifth column family, trump regime, in the garbage bin now. Trump regime is dominated and CONTROLLED by the criminal Jewish mafia.
    Only uncivilized people do not see that they are ruled by a fifth column regime.,

    https://www.pbs.org/video/deal-of-the-century-1563402318/

    • 回复: @Steve Naidamast
  38. Antares 说:
    @δημοσιογράφος

    Trump appointed his Orthodox Jewish son in law Jared Kushner as the head peace negotiator. The Orthodox oppose Zionism and always have. They refuse to fight in the IDF. Moreover, as an Orthodox Jew, Kushner philosophically opposes the creation of Israel to begin with. Why hasn’t the MSM/DoS/CIA even passingly mentioned this obvious fact in their domestic propaganda operations?

    Jared Kushner is on board with an organisation that has donated money to an illegal settlement on the West Bank: https://www.timesofisrael.com/jared-kushners-parents-donated-to-settlement-groups/

  39. kikz 说:

    the entirety is most probably cover for tribal biz dealings., aka Night Manager’s Dickey Roper’s ‘humanitarian aid’ presser scam.

  40. A123 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Telling the truth to counter neo-Nazi Islamofacists and their Taqiyya lies.

  41. schrub 说:

    So many Zionists are now showing up on UNZ that I would like to make a request.

    Do you think I could have the sole concession on this site to supply mail order matzo ball soup, chopped liver and pastrami to these people.

    If they continue to multiply in the numbers that they recently have been, it might quickly make this venture financially feasible.

    I can also supply bargain priced mail order circumcision kits that make use of commonly owned Swiss army knives, scissors and sheetrock blades. No cost ice cubes for use as an anesthetic are just a step away in your freezer. (Dry ice is, of course, a slightly more deluxe but somewhat controversial option) No more being ripped off by overpriced, possibly herpes infected mohels! No more expensive bris where all your reputed third cousins mysteriously make an appearance accompanied by their over-sized doggy bags!

    Mail orders to Israel will of course cost a bit more and will require air freight for food items.

  42. @GazaLibre

    Why not? americans are already under occupation.
    The Jeffery Epstein sordid saga is the the last chance your nation has to get your country back. I spent endless hours watching youtube channels that make the same claims.
    Do your spring cleaning now or forget about being a leading first world country. Seriously!!!

  43. 特朗普将以色列的利益置于美利坚合众国的利益之上。

    特朗普和以色列第一个叛国分子会说,美国的利益和以色列的利益之间没有光明。

    以色列的利益和美利坚合众国的利益之间存在着巨大的分歧!

    Israel is a client state millstone of the American Empire.

    美军绝不能再被用作代表以色列打仗的力量。

    AMERICA FIRST! DAMMIT!

  44. @nsa

    Yes that would be a problem. But not just the US, they’d be going back to Europe and Russia too.

    Didn’t I read somewhere that Putin was trying to attract Jews from western Europe who felt threatened by rising anti-semitism due to increasing Islamisation and growing populism? He’s definitely called on many oligarchs who escaped with loot from Russia to return with their stolen finances, and you know who most of such oligarchs are.

    • 回复: @Malla
  45. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Alfred

    No, 1973. Just 36 years ago.

    • 回复: @Poco
  46. @nsa

    I haven’t seen anyone saying that the Israelis should be kicked out of Palestine. What most here (except the ziotard trolls) say is that US money and military forces should be wiithdrawn, allowing Israel to handle their own affairs.

    if Israel were to be cut off from US military and monetary aid, there would soon be no Israel problem in the ME. No Israel = No Israel problem.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @RadicalCenter
  47. Desert Fox 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    Israel is the largest WELFARE recipient of the zio/US per the labor of the American taxpayer!

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  48. @Lot

    I don’t think you are aware of the heavily non-Arab genetics of most people in those supposed “Arab lands” in North Africa.

    If you mean to call them Muslim lands, that would be more accurate.

    • 同意: Talha
  49. renfro 说:
    @Lot

    Oh whine whine whine…the Arabs have more then we Jews do!…Not fair!…the world should give us more countries!….because…..well because…..We are Jews!…you owe us!..the world owes us!..whine whine.

    Sorry chum…you Jews are a grain of sand in the Christian and Muslim world

    As of 2017, there are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, according to the Pew Research Center; Islam is growing more rapidly than any other religion in the world, according to a new report by the Pew Research Center that says the religion will nearly equal Christianity by 2050

  50. @Twodees Partain

    Israel would have to negotiate if the US minded its business and stopped attacking, sanctioning, and threatening israel’s Neighbors and enemies.

    There’s a deal to be had.

    Some coastal land for Israel, some for the new sovereign Palestine.

    All muslims leave Israel and can’t get citizenship there; the same would be true for Jews in Palestine.

    Some rights for each people/country to explore for, drill for, refine, and use or export nearby oil and natural gas.

    Split Jerusalem between the two countries or have it internationally administered with largely autonomous areas for Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

    我们走了。

  51. @Milton

    他们不享受上帝的保护或祝福,因为他们违反了上帝的律法和圣约。

    作为一名基督徒,我很欣赏你的立场,但诉诸历史试金石可能注定会失败。

    1) Most people don’t believe the Bible, so its use as a source is contaminated.
    2) “Today’s Jews are really 14th-century Khazars” etc., is hopelessly arcane.
    3) People aren’t pissed about lineage, or some series of affronts in 1325.

    I suggest we renounce Israel and the diaspora Jews because of what they’re doing today, July 18, 2019. God knows there’s still more than enough psychopathic villainy to keep us occupied.

  52. @nsa

    ‘Commenters here might reconsider what they wish for. If the jew were evicted from the Levant, where do you think he would go? You got it….to the New Jerusalem across the pond and we would have 5 million more of the conniving assholes over here fleecing the peasantry at their crappy businesses and grifting the system to the max…’

    …and, given our complicity in the creation, continued existence, and crimes of Israel, we would deserve it.

    Where do you think the Zionists should come, if not here? They can’t stay where they are. The Palestinians never did anything to deserve such a blight.

    We take in the Jews infesting Palestine. That’s what we can do to atone for our crimes.

    Happily, all that has to happen is that we (a) pull the plug, and (b) let planes from Ben Gurion land here for a few years. It’ll be easy — and the right thing to do. How often can you say that?

  53. renfro 说:
    @JNDillard

    谁能告诉我为什么巴勒斯坦还没有到联合国安理会要求就其国家地位进行投票?

    巴勒斯坦于2012年开始申请建国,因美国在联合国安理会投票中否决而失败,联合国安理会14个成员国投了赞成票,美国投了反对票。
    Palestine was though given non member “observer statehood status” at that time.
    Palestine has in fact re applied every year for statehood….the US vetoes it every time.

    一些最新行动:

    176个国家在联合国大会呼吁巴勒斯坦建国
    https://www.jpost.com/Arab…/176-nations-at-UN-call-for-Palestinian-statehood-5185…
    2017 年 12 月 20 日 – 176 nations at UN call for Palestinian statehood. The United States, Canada and Israel were among the seven that opposed the text; four states …

    U.N. allows Palestinians to act more like full member in 2019 – Reuters
    https://www.reuters.com/…palestinians-un/un-allows-palestinians-to-act-more-like-full…
    2018 年 10 月 16 日
    – The 193-member United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday allowed the Palestinians to act more like a full U.N. member state during …

    同样值得注意的是,几十年来,巴勒斯坦一直呼吁在巴勒斯坦和以色列之间派遣国际维和部队,但美国也投了反对票。
    你可以想象为什么以色列不希望维和部队目睹他们在巴勒斯坦的罪行和土地盗窃。

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @JNDillard
  54. Germanicus 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    Some coastal land for Israel, some for the new sovereign Palestine.

    A two state solution is dead, the Israeli settlements make this impossible.
    A two state solution would only lead to war, Palestine would try to arm to defend themselves from jewish aggression obviously. Granted someone would sell them arms, Iran would probably do that.

    But how about a one state solution, with the right to return of the Palestinians?
    You know, cultural enrichment, plural society and all that nice stuff they tell us 24/7.

    A one state solution is obviously impossible too, because Israel defines itself as “the jewish state”, something they deny all European counties by now.

    So, I am for a multicultural Palestine, which has Jews and Muslims, and Christians, maybe some Africans from Somalia, Nigeria and Kongo too, Afghans, Pakistanis whatever is necessary to enrich these Jews culturally.

    The Jews in Israel haven’t yet learned how to be multicultural, we have to fix this. They need to appreciate the enrichment.

    • 回复: @A123
  55. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Hmmm, I suspect you might actually like Jews after all, Colin 🙂

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  56. 特朗普将以色列的利益置于美利坚合众国的利益之上。

    To Trump’s credit he hasn’t yet dropped a nuclear bomb on Iran or started a war with Iran. Shelly Adelson wanted the US embassy moved to Jerusalem and the Iran nuclear deal killed and a war with Iran and a nuclear bomb dropped on Iran. Shelly Adelson said let’s drop a nuke on Iran as a demonstration of resolve or strength or determination or some other damn thing.

    Trump has only whored himself out to Shelly Adelson for the embassy move and the killing of the Iran nuclear deal.

    The American Empire and Israel and all the antics attached to that relationship puts me in a cynical mood.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
  57. @RadicalCenter

    ‘There’s a deal to be had.

    Some coastal land for Israel, some for the new sovereign Palestine.’

    That was one of the deals — of several that went by, as time passed.

    You’ve just described the 1947 U.N. Partition Resolution — which Israel accepted.

    The difficulty is that — as with every agreement Israel has accepted from the 1922 League of Nations mandate for Palestine on — Israel never keeps her word.

    There’s no point in ‘making a deal.’ Israel will just violate it. You decide what conditions to impose — and then blockade Israel until she honors those conditions. Then — and only then — you turn the lights back on.

    • 同意: anarchyst
  58. Iris 说:

    “A conference set up to fail?”

    The Israelis are neither that smart, nor in control anymore.

    The reasons why they set the failed Manama conference are probably closer to fear and desperation.

    In his recent interview to Al Manar channel, Hezbollah’s lead Hassan Nasrallah, who is neither imprudent nor a braggart, has stated that his resistance movement possesses enough missiles to strike any target on Israeli territory, down to Eilat, and that all of Northern Israel where most of the population lives, is within reach of Lebanese weapons. He said Hezbollah can strike all the government buildings, military installations, airports, economic centres and commercial centres…

    Hassan Nasrallah: “We Have Enough Missiles to Send Israel Back to the Stone Age; Iran Would Be the First to Attack Israel If War Breaks Out “

    https://english.almanar.com.lb/781783

    https://www.memri.org/tv/hizbullah-sec-gen-nasrallah-missiles-israel-stone-age-north-coast-key-installations-iran-war-region/transcript

    Israeli military might is a myth that the Arab public does not believe anymore:

    https://youtu.be/a2TsyH4fFQc

    • 回复: @Malla
  59. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    You know, Colin, instead of going to so much trouble to bring so many Jews to you, you can just convert to Judaism.

    We’d welcome you, Colin 🙂

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  60. Davidson20 说:

    犹太教是古代世界广泛传播的宗教,在女性中如火药般传播,并持续扩张直至中世纪早期

    不同的问题是犹太复国主义者在“迦南之地”制造的恐怖,“这片土地上的人民”已经生活了两千多年

  61. Malla 说:
    @Colin Wright

    How about Africa (outside South Africa)? Imagine the benefits the highly intelligent Jews could bring to that continent. There are no evil Whitey goyims in most parts of the continent. Thus no evul nazis gonna spray da swastika on their synagogues late at night. Jews have always promoted black music and black culture on whitey’s face, now they are in an ocean of talent. Imagine the number of basketball teams to be owned and shekels made. Looks like a win win.

    • 回复: @Anon
  62. Malla 说:
    @Desert Fox

    Thanks bud, I will see it. Though I already know about the USS Liberty incident.

  63. Mike Tre [又名“MikeatMikedotMike”] 说:
    @Colin Wright

    “…and, given our complicity in the creation, continued existence, and crimes of Israel, we would deserve it.”

    LOL – Clearly your meds are out of balance. I’m not sure there’s even a clinical designation for myopic jew haters who’s FS to the JQ is to bring them closer to themselves and everyone else he’s decided is guilty of… what exactly? I’m guessing a lot of self-medicating goes on in the back of your windowless van.

    There is no “we” in what you feel is deserved. If YOU have a guilty conscience, then that is your problem, and the left’s strategy of fostering white guilt upon normal Americans has been a complete success in your case.

    Instead of more Jews coming here, I suggest Jews go to Somalia with you and Ilhan Omar.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  64. Anon[373]• 免责声明 说:
    @Malla

    不要给他们任何想法。

  65. @AaronB

    ‘You know, Colin, instead of going to so much trouble to bring so many Jews to you, you can just convert to Judaism.

    We’d welcome you, Colin ‘

    I might well fit right in — but that’s not the point.

    The point is that the Jews who have invaded Palestine have to be allowed to settle somewhere — and who would be more deserving than ourselves?

    Me converting, not converting, or taking up Scientology has nothing to do with the question at all.

  66. Talha 说:

    Kings…taking it to the limit…

    That’s why we remember you around the world…patience, brothers, patience and prayer.

    和平:

    • 回复: @neutral
  67. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Poco

    That’s right, 46 years ago. Since then IDF “heroically” lost to Hezbollah and withdrew from South Lebanon, leaving its Lebanese allies to their fate, and even more “heroically” murdered quite a few unarmed civilians in Gaza.

  68. @Alfred

    是的,对……部分通过在自由号航空母舰上屠杀美国军人来赢得战争……没有真正的战争,赢得的真正战争是通过勒索和肮脏的利益完全控制美国政府……见证 LBJ 下令美国航空母舰的救援计划站稳脚跟下来和麦凯恩上将对调查的镇压。 我祈祷爱泼斯坦的恋童癖丑闻能够阻止摩萨德对我们政府的整个渗透,包括很可能是橙色的。

  69. @A123

    是的,塔木德要求非犹太人像狗一样被杀死,但不用担心。 普珥节的一切都被原谅了。

  70. A123 说:
    @Germanicus

    You fail to mention the One State Solution that has a substantial chance of success.

    A confederation between:
    — Historic Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. TransJordan or Jordan), and
    — New Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Area “A” and Gaza inside Jewish Palestine).
    Building cooperation between two Muslim populations would be straight forward as they already have common culture and language. No multicultural enrichment is required except for cooperation between Muslim Bedouin and Muslim Arab populations.

    All Muslims in Judea and Samaria would be citizens of New Muslim Palestine. All Jews would be citizens of Israel. Members of other faiths (Christians, Druze, etc.) would be able to pick one or the other. So, there would be some multiculturalism for Israel, but for the most part Jews already have stable relationships with these religions.

    和平

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Germanicus
  71. Curmudgeon 说:
    @JNDillard

    更大的问题是,为什么以色列仍然是联合国成员,因为它未能履行其加入的承诺。

    https://www.wrmea.org/011-july/third-time-s-a-charm-israel-admitted-as-u.n.-member-in-1949.html

    • 回复: @JNDillard
  72. @A123

    ‘You fail to mention the One State Solution that has a substantial chance of success.

    A confederation between…’

    You’re easier to take when you snarl rather than attempt to deceive.

    • 回复: @A123
  73. Germanicus 说:
    @A123

    你没有意识到,你只能保留你能捍卫的东西。
    这就是可悲的事态,犹太人拥有比巴勒斯坦人更大的枪。
    可悲的是,如果你的枪比他们的大,你只能让犹太人倾听并与他们进行一些理性的交谈。

    • 回复: @frankie p
  74. Malla 说:
    @Iris

    Hassan Nasrallah: “We Have Enough Missiles to Send Israel Back to the Stone Age; Iran Would Be the First to Attack Israel If War Breaks Out “

    Actually Brendan O Connel had a video on Iran which has been scrubbed off youtube. He was there, he says the Iranians are really not scared of Israel. Besides the Iranian elites have deep links to Zio bankers in Europe. According to him, Iran is to Israel what the Soviet Union was to the USA, a false opposition. A scary opposition (Death to Israel) actor nation, justifying Israel’s need for aid and American support. Makes Israel look like a poor victim against the crazy mullahs.

  75. Z-man 说:

    Forget about ‘Kush the Kike’ the real danger here is Plump’eo, a rabid Christian Zionist and Bolton, a Zionist boot licker and chicken hawk. They have to be removed. Unfortunately the heretic Christian Zionist movement is very powerful here and Trump caters to it.

  76. Malla 说:
    @Commentator Mike

    One of those oligarchs, I cannot recall his name but I know his face, ran away to Ukraine after a short stay in Israel. He said his reason for leaving was, there are too many Jews. Something alluding to, “it is hard to leech in a glass full of leeches”. Ukrainian Goyim are better hosts.

    • 回复: @Germanicus
  77. anonymous[204]• 免责声明 说:

    [[Kushner’s idea, in a nutshell, was to strong-arm the Anglo-Zionist Empire’s Gulf puppet states into offering Palestine $50 billion in return for unconditional surrender.]]

    This is not correct. The money that Trump regime and his Jewish family Kushner are offering to buy Palestinians and erect Oded Yinon “greater Israel’, is not coming from the Jewish mafia thieves assets, USA or Israel. 99% of it going to be forced on ARAB PEOPLE, their colonies.

    The jewish mafia thieves, although have accumulated vast amount of wealth through Organ trafficking, human trafficking, sex trafficking, drug trafficking, diamond trafficking, oil trafficking, Opium trafficking and…. are NOT paying a penny for their crimes against humanity, but they are expecting to loot the region. They take this wish into their graves, one by one.

    [The mytical $50 billions is going to be extorted from the Arab assets, not a penny by the zionist baby killers where is going to buy not only Palestinians, but number of Arab countries including Lebanon, Jordan and colony Egypt. The zionist criminal corrupt thieves are not going to pay a penny, rather to make billions of dollars, including the fifth column Trump family.

    It would offer Lebanon $6 billion to upgrade the country’s dilapidated transportation infrastructure and link it to other countries, and another $325 million for regional trade integration and to support small- and medium-size enterprises.
    Almost three-quarters of that sum – $4.625 billion – would be in the form of loans. Another $1.25 billion would come from the private sector, leaving $450 million in grants.
    The $6 billion for transportation is divided simply: $3 billion for roads, $2 billion for rail and $1 billion for airports, seaports and border crossings.]

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2019/Jun-25/486024-not-selling-out-lebanon-rejects-billions-in-kushner-plan.ashx

    Lebanon’s Parliament speaker, Nabih Berri, said Sunday that the proposal’s author, White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, was “mistaken if he thinks waving billions of dollars can tempt Lebanon – struggling under a [difficult] economic crisis – to comply or trade in its” principles.
    In Lebanon, Nabih Berri’s remarks: The plan “aims to replace the legitimate … rights of the Palestinian people in return for financial and economic projects, as if the rights of return, an independent Palestinian state, freedom and a life of dignity can be replaced by a few donations.”
    The economic portion of the plan, which was released over the weekend, offers over $50 billion to jump-start the economies of Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan and “Gaza and the West Bank.” The documents do not mention “Palestine.”

    The Kushner program has another wrinkle: It places all $6 billion for Lebanese transit in Phase III, the last three years of the 10-year plan.

    The document warned that the deal poses a threat not just to Palestine but also to Lebanon and other Arab countries. “Manipulating the maps of these countries and permanently resettling 5.2 million Palestinian refugees … outside their country of origin … would represent a new fragmentation of the Arab region,” the parties said.

    Expose the Jewish mafia ‘greater Israel’ plan to be funded by the Arab assets, NOT A PENNY FROM THE CRIMINAL ZIONIST COLONIST THIEVES including the fifth column Trump family and his corrupt regime.

    Throw the zionist Trump family out of the office soon.

  78. Davidson20 说:

    “这片土地上的人民”(“am ha'eretz”)

    “迦南之地”的“人民”(“am ha'eretz”)在整个历史中都有不同的宗教表达

    犹太复国主义者希望“迦南之地”不存在,或者成为挪威海岸附近的一个岛屿

    但是,

    “摩西”的岳父是一位阿拉伯牧师(出埃及记 3,1),Yahvé -“特曼的耶和华”- 是一位阿拉伯希伯来神(参见士师记 5,4),而 Kuntillet Ajrud

    我们必须记住,“这片土地上的人民”的犹太教不是拉比犹太教(200-),但它肯定与原始伊斯兰教非常相似,因此对他们来说,这种变体很容易,毕竟在他的根源在于那些土地的同一种宗教

  79. @Charles_Martel

    Likewise, let those so-called Israelis move to Fort Lauderdale if they don’t like their situation.

  80. Germanicus 说:
    @Malla

    You mean by any chance Ihor Kolomoyskyi? Who runs private mercenaries in Ukraine, drafted from the IDF, who do false flags as “nazis” so the jewish press has something to complain about?

    • 回复: @Malla
  81. Sean 说:

    Clearly this grossly insulting proposal was designed to be rejected. Perhaps its real purpose is to unleash a new round of war justified by the public relations slogan: “We offered the Palestinians a very good deal, so good we called it ‘the deal of the century,’ but those ungrateful Palestinians wouldn’t accept it.” This is precisely what the Zionists have done in the past, notably after the 2000 Camp David Summit,

    The Palestinians turned up for that and it was not a take it or leave it thing but genuine negotiations with movement from the opening bargaining position. While the final position of Barak was undoubtedly bad from the Palestinian point of view, it indisputably was a serious advance on anything that Israel had proposed before, or .

    2000 Camp David Summit, during which they intentionally presented non-viable proposals in order to obtain a Palestinian rejection

    A lot of experienced diplomats said those 2000 negotiations had been immediately doomed by Barak having had made a beginner’s error at Camp David because he made big concessions in his opening position and instead of the Palestinians reciprocating, they became extremely encouraged having interpreted Barak’s bold logjam-clearing initiative as evidence Israeli negotiators were caving in and total success for the Palestinians was on the cards if they kept up the pressure.

    Moreover, Barak became disillusioned when Palestinians tried to use the final position Israeli offer they rejected at the 2000 Camp David talks as a bedrock starting point for making fresh demands as they did in the Taba negotiation of 2001, The perception created by these negotiation being contemporaneous with the Second Intifada wave of suicide bombing attacks was esculating terrorism what was making Israel give more and more. That doomed Barak’s government, and Israel decided they needed to try another way Hence the wall. In June 2002, Yasser Arafat said in an Haaretz interview that he was willing to accept the positions Israel had taken in the Taba for a final status settlement. It has become obvious that no Israel PM is going to offer what was put on the table what was offered in 2000.

    • 同意: AaronB
    • 回复: @AaronB
  82. neutral 说:
    @Talha

    Not peace and not patience, get WMDs and start launching them on Israel endlessly. Target their nuclear reactor, their Knesset, their schools, their wailing wall. Once this foul entity is wiped out, other foul regimes such as the Saudis and Egyptian junta will also fall.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  83. Agent76 说:

    Great topic often overlooked.

    新美国世纪第1/10部分

    这部电影详细介绍了“新美国世纪计划”的无尽历史,并附带大量档案素材,并将其直接连接到了现在。

    “重建美国的防御”

    美国全球霸权PNAC计划概要蓝图

    有人将它与希特勒的《我的奋斗》(Mein Kampf)进行了比较,直到战争结束后才被忽略。

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

  84. Desert Fox 说:
    @Charles Pewitt

    The only reason Trump has not bombed Iran for his zionist overlords is that Russia would come in on the side of Iran and so would China and then the war would go nuclear and although the zionists believe they can survive a nuclear war in their DUMBs aka deep underground military bases that they have throughout the zio/US and zio/Europe and Israel, when the war ends there wouldn’t be anything left to fight over.

    However the zionists are at some point going to try it and take the world with them, research King Torah and the Samson Option, the zionists are demonic !

  85. Malla 说:
    @Germanicus

    No, now I remember, it is Sergei Mogilevich but thanks for the new info on chosenite oligarchs, will check this Ihor Kolomoyskyi guy out. And sorry, it is Hungary not Ukraine, where he ran away too. I confused him with a Semion Mogilevich.


    http://geopolitics-behind-the-mask.36089.n8.nabble.com/The-Judeo-Russian-Mafia-td151.html

    Basing his first operations in Israel, where he fleeced Jewish refugees from Russia, Mogilevich acquired Hungarian citizenship after making the comment that the biggest problem with Israel is that there are “too many Jews there.”

  86. anarchyst 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    The “solution” to the location of the U. S. Embassy in Jerusalem would have been to place the U. S. Embassy squarely on the “green line”, half of the building in East Jerusalem for Palestine’s interests and the other half in West Jerusalem for Israel’s interests. Of course, the jews would have a fit, but so what?
    THAT would have been an equitable solution for the U. S. Embassy in Jerusalem

  87. A123 说:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re easier to take when you snarl rather than attempt to deceive.

    I only tell the truth. And, it is The TRUTH that you find hard to take.

    和平

  88. “巴勒斯坦人”及其同情者需要正视以如此巨大的胜利优势连续输掉如此多场战争的后果。以色列并没有窃取其土地,而是在阿拉伯人发起的战争中公平公正地赢得了这些土地,并通过征服的方式占领了这些土地。

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @Colin Wright
  89. Talha 说:
    @neutral

    There are rules to warfare – it is irrelevant if the enemy abides by them; we are bound by sacred law.

    如果战争来临,就让它来吧,但要正确地进行战斗。

    和平:

    • 回复: @frankie p
  90. @Charles_Martel

    回到布里巴特混蛋。

    • 哈哈: Talha
  91. Desert Fox 说:
    @Normie-American

    以色列发动了它在中东参与的每一场战争,以色列是一个恐怖主义国家,现在仍然是,请阅读琼·梅伦 (Joan Mellen) 所著的《水里的血》(Blood in the Water),该书讲述了齐奥/美国和以色列联合攻击自由号航空母舰以及对美国海军航空母舰的攻击。 WTC是以色列和zio/美国政府中的叛徒干的。

  92. 不然还能怎么得出结论呢?

  93. “They want Americans to kill muslims in the middle east.”

    I don’t think the president wants to kill anyone in the ME or anywhere.

    He wants to win re-election.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
  94. Peredur 说:

    那些与真相交战的邪恶犹太复国主义者(如集中营中真实发生的事情、9/11 等)正试图抹去那些无意中妨碍犹太复国主义计划的人的存在。

  95. @Normie-American

    Zionist. This really brought ’em out of the woodwork.

    …like turning over an old sheet of plywood in the alley, or something. God…

  96. frankie p 说:
    @Germanicus

    不准确的说法。

    只有当你的人民愿意留在那里时,你才能保留土地。 事实是,以色列的犹太人将继续拥有比巴勒斯坦人更大的枪,但巴勒斯坦人、真主党、叙利亚和伊朗可以利用未来的任何军事行动向以色列本土发射导弹,使大多数犹太人有能力的人会认真考虑移民到欧洲或美国。 我不是这个的支持者,但我看到了事实。 潮流已经改变,在军事问题上,导弹的出现将使以色列人的空中优势失效。 为什么以色列近年来没有在黎巴嫩南部动用空军? 据了解,真主党正在积极准备收复谢巴农场和援助叙利亚收复戈兰高地的战斗。 以色列不会攻击黎巴嫩南部,因为纳斯鲁拉将采取与伊朗向美国发出的信号相同的做法。 任何攻击,无论多么小、多么无关紧要,都将遭到最大火力的不成比例的反应。 以色列空军对贝鲁特南部或黎巴嫩南部的另一次空袭将导致发射数千枚导弹。 这是一个不会逆转的趋势。 以色列领导层知道这一点,因此他们加倍努力说服美国为以色列人打以色列战争。 他们似乎很难理解已经完成了。 抵抗组织知道,美国的袭击将是犹太人对美国施加压力的结果,而以色列将成为直接目标。

    库什纳的“交易”就是一个笑话。 巴勒斯坦人需要继续践行“sumud”,即坚定抵抗多年来所面临的压迫。 在他们的许多男人和男孩死亡、致残和无休止的监禁以及他们的土地和财产几十年来不断被盗之后,这些人会屈服于一些犹太人的经济激励(来自海湾国家!)这只是展示了库什纳、他的 Ziobrigade 和特朗普生活在一个多么奇怪的世界。这些美国人不明白与正直的人打交道意味着什么。 哈梅尼甚至不愿打开特朗普在日本领导人访问伊朗期间与安倍一起寄出的信封。 伊朗人回应了特朗普的请求:“让我在沙漠中轰炸一些沙子,这样对我们双方来说都是双赢。” 并做出适当回应:“对任何伊朗领土的任何攻击都将遭到不成比例的大规模军事反应。”
    特朗普、库什纳之流以为自己身处纽约房地产的犹太人世界,但实际上他们身处一个截然不同的世界,在这个世界里,人们愿意为自己的国家、自己的信仰、自己的信念而死。

    弗兰基·P

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  97. @neutral

    ‘Not peace and not patience, get WMDs and start launching them on Israel endlessly. Target their nuclear reactor, their Knesset, their schools, their wailing wall. Once this foul entity is wiped out, other foul regimes such as the Saudis and Egyptian junta will also fall.’

    This makes no sense. If the US is still strong and still slaved to Israel’s will, the ‘strategy’ is suicidal.

    If the US is either no longer strong, or no longer slaved to Israel’s will, Israel is dead anyway, so it’s unnecessary.

    A step in the right direction has already been taken. Israel is ceasing to be an object of universal approval in US politics, and is becoming the property of the Right. The only real danger is if Israel suddenly starts making nice. Just let her continue as she has, and it should all be over within a generation.

    I recommend discreetly baiting her. The worse she behaves, the sooner she ceases to exist.

  98. frankie p 说:
    @Talha

    塔赫拉再次表达了来自正直的想法:敌人是否遵守我们的规则并不重要;只要敌人遵守我们的规则就可以了。 我们受到我们的规则的约束,并将继续遵守它们。

    没有必要对以色列滥用大规模杀伤性武器。 纳斯鲁拉、伊朗、叙利亚和伊拉克什叶派民兵将继续储存、计划和等待时机。 抵抗运动的领导人无意消灭以色列犹太平民; 他们明白,当这些人了解情况后,有能力的人就会自行离开。 当政府建筑、交通基础设施枢纽、工业能力受到导弹袭击时,以色列人民的态度将会发生根本性的改变。 他们甚至可能迫使其领导人妥协并达成巴勒斯坦人民同意的公正解决方案。 如果这是整个巴勒斯坦社会而不是腐败的巴勒斯坦权力机构达成的真实协议,抵抗运动就会接受这一点。 请注意,这些导弹攻击将是一种回应; 他们不会由抵抗发起。 所以现在,求和并祈祷。

    塔拉
    出于宗教原因,我有一个问题要问你。 穆斯林神职人员和宗教学者对耶稣基督的诞生有何看法? 基督徒是否相信童贞女所生,或者认为约瑟夫是耶稣基督的亲生父亲? 提前致谢。

    弗兰基·P

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  99. JNDillard 说:
    @renfro

    亲爱的 Renfro, 这非常有帮助。非常感谢你。这是互联网可以做的事情的一个很好的例子——陌生人帮助陌生人增进知识和事业——正如诺姆·乔姆斯基所说,这正是那些想要“获得我们的同意”的人想要控制的,但现在已经无法控制了。再次感谢。

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  100. FB 说: • 您的网站

    It does not offer the bare minimum acceptable to Palestinians: A genuinely sovereign Palestine including 所有 territories stolen by Israel in 1967, with its capital al-Quds [East Jerusalem], alongside an Israeli acknowledgment of the internationally-recognized Palestinian right of return and a plan—however gradual—for its implementation. Anything less is a non-starter.

    This is it in a nutshell…international law, including several UNSC Resolutions [the highest law on the planet] does not recognize one inch beyond Israel’s pre 1967 borders…this is in fact the backbone of the postwar global world order…that territorial acquisition by means of force of arms is completely illegitimate…

    For a time back in the 1990s it seemed like Israel might agree to leave the occupied territories, but not to accept back the landowners driven out in the Naqba…their number has grown just too great…one can sympathize to some extent with Israel’s position on the return issue…it would mean the end of the ‘Jewish’ state…

    However this issue by itself may just possibly be amenable to some sort of financial compensation…however this ‘deal of the century’ is a slap in the face…

    In the end…time is on the Palestinians’ side…the US looks like its heading for tango uniform in a hurry…once the doodoo hits the fan…I think few in the US will have the luxury to think about backstopping Israel’s colonialism…

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    , @A123
  101. JNDillard 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    以色列已将其命运与美国联系在一起。众所周知,它目前在一定程度上控制着美国的外交政策。它尚未成功推翻五角大楼并迫使伊朗发动战争。但它在伊拉克和叙利亚问题上却取得了成功。因此,如果有人认为它会放弃让其他人——代理人和愚蠢的非裔——为之奋斗和牺牲,那就太天真了。它不仅对美国,而且对北约,当然还有阿拉伯人,都成功地做到了这一点,几十年来,它已将瓦哈比主义变成了达到其自身目的的工具。但将其命运与美国联系在一起将导致其在美帝国崩溃时解构。我们都可以感觉到,它已经靠借来的时间、巨额债务和财政预算生存,隐藏着一个空心化的经济,不再有真正的工业部门,并放弃了精英统治,转而行贿、社会晋升和平权行动。腐败到了骨子里,甚至疏远了它的哈巴狗贵宾犬盟友,人们只能惊叹它还没有崩溃。根本原因是世界其他国家不希望这样做,因为结果将是毁灭性的。世界正试图轻松而缓慢地让它失望,因此它有时间和资源来维持世界经济体系的内爆。但当那一天到来时,以色列维持种族隔离制度所依赖的支持将崩溃,它将不得不与巴勒斯坦进行谈判,这意味着它必须以公平和平等的条件对待它,做出赔偿,并且不再是一个种族-为基础的神权政治。我认为唯一能够阻止这一不可避免的结果的是核浩劫。尽管这仍然是一种真正的灾难性可能性,但只要五角大楼坚持反对对伊朗开战,这种情况就可以避免。然而,如果以色列及其谄媚的犹太复国主义新保守派、“进步派”、“自由派”以及美国和欧盟的犹太复国主义基督徒让五角大楼攻击伊朗,那么所有的赌注都将落空。我不认为这样的战争能够得到遏制,因为伊朗能够而且将会摧毁美国及其盟国在整个海湾地区的资产,这可能会引发核报复。谢谢你的评论。

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  102. @frankie p

    ‘…These Americans DO NOT UNDERSTAND what dealing with men of integrity entails…’

    我一直担心这种事情会被证明是错误的; 但它不断被证明是正确的。

    …of course, I think a good deal of this has to be credited to the sheer incompetence of Jews as conquerors. I’m suspicious of any thesis that implies any especial moral superiority to the Palestinian people.

    …just on principle, my working assumption is that they must be kind of average.

    So if they’re still standing, the explanation must lie in the flaws of their oppressors.

    • 回复: @renfro
  103. @FB

    ‘…This is it in a nutshell…international law, including several UNSC Resolutions [the highest law on the planet] does not recognize one inch beyond Israel’s pre 1967 borders…’

    There are no ‘1967 borders.’ Those were just the 1949 cease-fire lines. Israel’s 法律 boundaries remain those she was allocated and accepted in 1947 — about 53%, not 78%, of Palestine.

    Not that there’s anything just about either — but if we’re to talk about ‘law,’ ‘Israel’ needs to withdraw to the one set of borders she was assigned, and that she accepted.

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  104. AaronB 说:
    @Sean

    I remember very well the 90s – the Israeli Left back then was infected with an extraordinary streak of naive idealism, and Barack thought that with a dramatic gesture of sheer magnanimity, of sheer good faith, he would elicit a genuine response in kind back from the Palestinians.

    This idealism reflects to some extent the warrior and farmer ethos of Israelis, and is an echo of the idealism of the Kibbutz and the communist founders.

    It is a very different mindset from the merchant mindset of American Jews.

    When the Palestinians responded with an unprecedented campaign of slaughter directed at Israeli civilians, like wolves who scented blood, the shock in Israel went to the very core of their beings.

    The Israeli Left has to confront the crude reality that they were dealing with an adversary on an astonishingly low moral level. This is responsible for the almost permanent rightward tilt of Israeli politics and a sense of total disillusionment. The naive idealism of the 90s vanished like a puff of smoke exposed to sunlight.

    The real reason Palestinians have been making such little headway, and the Arab world in general, is because their societies suffer from a deep spiritual sickness. And you cannot succeed at anything unless you have a high sense of personal morality.

    I believe that the Palestinian tactic of targeting Israeli civilians has created a tremendous amount of secret shame and self disgust among Palestinians. Military targets are literally everywhere in Israel, yet when infants, children, and women are your primary targets – no human can feel self respect when this is his primary method of waging warfare. No man can.

    I think this is one of the reasons Israeli intelligence finds it so easy to infiltrate all levels of Palestinian society – a huge number of Palestinians lack the basics of moral self respect, and are secretly disgusted with themselves. By contrast, Israeli society generates a high level of loyalty and solidarity, and self respect.

    That Israeli society operates on a higher moral level than the Arab world is the determining factor in all their wars. Israeli officers lead from the front and expose themselves to the greatest personal risk. By contrast, Arab officers give orders from the rear and are notorious for abandoning their troops. The moral level is lacking.

    And lack of morality towards others is mirrored by lack of morality towards members of their own group.

    The Israeli Army has a purity of arms policy, and soldiers must take classes in it. Such a thing is unimaginable among Palestinians – who precisely adopt lack of purity of arms as their primary tactic.

    The Palestinians, and the Arab world in general, will continue to suffer setback after setback until they elevate their spiritual and moral level, both among themselves and towards their enemies.

    One interesting and positive development is that the long conflict with Israel seems to be transforming the Palestinians to some small extent – they are being affected in a moral direction by their contact with Israelis, even in conflict.

    More and more Palestinians are expressing admiration at the cohesion and support of Israeli society, the way they take care of their own, and its higher moral level in war. And Palestinians are more and more selecting military targets rather than civilians for their attacks, although they still regular target the weak and defenseless in Israel.

    And that is natural – it is a wonder though that Israel did not get dragged down, but rather succeeded in elevating the Palestinians, even to a small extent. Although perhaps that’s too optimistic an assessment – Israel has unfortunately had to fight dirty sometimes to prevail against its relentless enemies.

    • 巨魔: renfro, Iris
  105. Kevin Barrett, you are an example of what happens to a Western male when he converts to a heretical belief system and marries a non-Western female – you lose your ability to think and degenerate to the level of the genetic waste in the Middle East.

    As a Christan Western woman, I will give you a plan that is the best for the West. Muslims and Jews will not like, but I don’t care about them. I want this problem solved so that the West can deal with its own issues.

    Muslim Palestinians belong in Jordan. Big picture, 90% of Middle East Muslims have black ancestry and an average IQ of 84. They easily fit in any of the existing countries in the Middle East. Jordan is closest to Israel, so their move will be an easy one.

    Jerusalem stays in Israeli hands because I trust the Jews more to protect Christian holy sites than Muslims. I want the Al-Aqsa Mosque turned into a church. The Crusaders turned it into a church.

    I want Israel to define its borders. This is happening as they are reconquering the West Bank. This is fine because then Nazareth and Bethlehem will be under Israeli control and Palestinian Christians can move back to these towns.

    The average Israeli Jewish IQ is 93 so they have the ability to run a functioning country. I’ve been to Israel so I have firsthand experience. Present day Jews are not related to the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived. If these “Jews” want to practice “Judaism,” they have to do it in Israel. Jews are not Western and cannot live in Western countries. They must go to Israel. Foreign aid to Israel should be stopped. They can take care of themselves.

    As a reminder, Islam is a Christian heresy so any claims to holy sites in Jerusalem is nonsense. Also, Islam is a biologically degenerative belief system as it promotes miscegenation, polygamy, first cousin marriage and concubinage – IQ lowering practices. Your Moroccan wife is a product of this system. Muslims in the Middle East will be told that Israel is there to stay and that they must deal with their countries. Muslims in the West will be deported.

    In the USA, we’ll take care of idiot Christian Zionists who are causing problems in the Middle East.

    You do have a higher IQ than the average Middle East Muslim, so it is best if you and your family move to the Middle East to help Muslims with their problems.

    西方不是黑人/亚洲人/犹太人/穆斯林。

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  106. Talha 说:
    @frankie p

    嗨弗兰基,

    我的老师们教导我,一个人不能既希望又恳求上帝与他们同在,同时又故意违反上帝强加给我们的规则。 事实上,我们无法产生任何牵引力的原因很可能是因为我们试图使用不道德的手段进行斗争。 这必须改变。

    至于你的另一个问题; 是的,他(愿他的名受到祝福)确实是童贞女所生。 据我所知,对此没有任何不同意见,否则可能会将一个人排除在伊斯兰教之外。

    和平:

  107. @AaronB

    I knew you were a Zionist swine.

    Sure enough, it came out.

    Please, take all your nauseating lies and shove them right up your first-born’s virgin rectum.

    请。

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    , @AaronB
  108. @AaronB

    ‘…Israel has unfortunately had to fight dirty sometimes to prevail against its relentless enemies.’

    That’s called ‘shoot and cry.’ You aren’t the first one to dream it up.

    The lies have run out. Someday, you’ll have to resort to the truth.

    …only there isn’t any, is there?

  109. renfro 说:
    @JNDillard

    You’re welcome…happy to provide the info.

  110. A123 说:
    @FB

    This is it in a nutshell…international law, including several UNSC Resolutions [the highest law on the planet] does not recognize one inch beyond Israel’s pre 1967 borders…

    Wholly incorrect. International Law was set in the 1920’s by the League of Nations.

    The UN openly violated International Law in the 40’s and 1967, when it collaborated with Jihadi Islamist plans to steal Jewish land. The U.N. continues to commit War Crimes on a regular basis. They have been caught supplying weapons depots and missile launch facilities to Hamas (1) *多* times. The defunding of UNRWA is the most positive development in recent history as the U.N. actively opposes peace.

    Hopefully the world will come to its senses and abolish the warmongering U.N. Though that may be unrealistic optimism on my part.

    和平

    ______

    (1) http://www.thetower.org/1955-un-report-confirms-hamas-stored-and-fired-weapons-from-un-schools/

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    , @FB
  111. renfro 说:
    @Colin Wright

    …just on principle, my working assumption is that they must be kind of average.

    I don’t think so…..ask yourself……would/could you have lived under brutal occupation for 54 years and still have the will and fortitude to resist the theft of your homeland?

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  112. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    When did I deny I am Zionist? In my own responses to you, Colin, I said I believe all Jews should move to Israel. You were there for that.

    I believe the diaspora is unhealthy for us, and it’s ethically wrong for Jews who identify primarily with Judaism to have such outsize influence in the US.

    I think this is a principled stand on my part.

    Israel is the ancestral land of the Jews, the center of our religious life. The idea that we cannot have this tiny sliver – while Muslims and Christians between them half half the world – is morally preposterous.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @renfro
  113. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Crying after you shoot, is better than your whole community erupting in celebrations and handing out candy after you murdered a baby in its sleep.

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  114. @A123

    ‘Wholly incorrect. International Law was set in the 1920’s by the League of Nations.’

    为什么 就这样吧。

    …and the Zionists agreed with the League of Nations that ‘a national homeland’ would on no account be taken as a mandate for an autonomous (to say nothing of independent) state.

    https://colinwrightssite.wordpress.com/2019/07/15/the-balfour-declaration-dont-blame-the-british/

    好的举动。

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  115. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    No that’s not correct…the 1947 UN partition plan did propose a 55 to 45 split in favor of Israel…but this later became moot as events on the ground overtook the process…

    The biggest problem was the British [then still the formal administrators of the territory] were dragging their feet as if wanting to do the most harm possible…the Jews took up arms and finally forced the British out in 1947…the Brits were also plotting with the neighboring Arabs at the same time…since they had no intention of giving up their mandate…

    After the UN general assembly [whose decisions are not legally binding, like those of the Security Council] adopted the partition plan, the neighboring Arab countries attacked [they were encouraged in this by 背信弃义的阿尔比恩…and actually led by British officers…]

    But the plucky Jews managed to beat them back and grab more land…they declared independence in 1948 while the war was still raging…the Soviet Union gave official recognition three days later on 17 May, 1948 and also supplied the Israelis with crucial arms by way of Czechoslovakia…the US and other countries did not de jure recognize Israel until 1949 when an armistice was signed…

    This effectively locked in the approximately 50 percent gain in territory over the non binding UN plan…later Security Council Resolutions affirmed those 1949 borders…so legally Israel is entitled to its pre 1967 borders…but not an inch more…

    The villain in all this is perfidious Albion of course…had they not been playing their usual double dealing the UN plan might have had a chance…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Colin Wright
  116. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @A123

    International Law was set in the 1920’s by the League of Nations.

    You’re hallucinating, moron…the founding of the UN superceded The League of Nations…

    联合国安理会 is the ONLY body that can issue LEGALLY BINDING resolutions on member states…a number of which UNSC resolutions Israel has been flouting for fifty years…

    I’m surprised the Jewish Internet Defense Force can’t hire anything more intelligent than a fucking cucumber…

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  117. @renfro

    ‘I don’t think so…..ask yourself……would/could you have lived under brutal occupation for 54 years and still have the will and fortitude to resist the theft of your homeland?’

    I sympathize with the sentiment — but one thing that has struck me over the years is that the Jews don’t give the Palestinians any place to go, so to speak.

    If you were an Indian living under the British, you join the military, or could study, get yourself a position in the civil service hierarchy, and move up the ladder. If you were an Indian in Spanish America, you could convert to Christianity and find yourself a (rather low) rung on the hierarchy of Spanish colonial society. Even under Nazi rule, you could (sometimes) allow yourself to be classified as 大众汽车, thus solving your problems. Irish-Americans become police, Polish Americans become steel workers, etc.

    One way or another, all successful conquerors make cooperation possible. The Jews in Palestine specialize in kicking in the teeth of even those who would be their Quislings.

    巴勒斯坦人 已可以选用 to resist. The Jews give them no choice. I see this every time I read another story about Jewish soldiers humiliating their own ghetto police.

    • 回复: @renfro
  118. Desert Fox 说:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Trump will do whatever Israel tells him to do and Trump has done everything that Israel has told him to do, Trump is a compromized pied piper leading America to destruction.

  119. @FB

    ‘No that’s not correct…the 1947 UN partition plan did propose a 55 to 45 split in favor of Israel…but this later became moot as events on the ground overtook the process…’

    No…it is correct. The 义硕 ‘accepted’ the partition — and then immediately set about deliberately violating its provisions so as to drive out as many Palestinians as possible and grab as much additional land as possible. Do a search on ‘Plan Dalet.’

    • 回复: @renfro
  120. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Thanks for that link – much appreciated!

    和平:

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  121. @FB

    ‘…the US and other countries did not de jure recognize Israel until 1949 when an armistice was signed…

    This effectively locked in the approximately 50 percent gain in territory over the non binding UN plan…’

    Don’t be silly. The cease-fire lines of an armistice don’t magically become borders because you want them to.

    …I don’t know why I repetitively argue about this crap. The implicit assumption is that my interlocutors are sincere, and they’re obviously not. At best, they go to their Zionist propaganda sites and willingly lap up the mendacious crap they find there.

    • 回复: @FB
  122. @AaronB

    ‘Crying after you shoot, is better than your whole community erupting in celebrations and handing out candy after you murdered a baby in its sleep.’

    Jeepers, Aaron. Maybe we shouldn’t give the Palestinians any more arms and money than we give the Jews!

    I’m all for that. How about you?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  123. @AaronB

    /When the Palestinians responded with an unprecedented campaign of slaughter/

    But the Intifada actually did not start for another two months (after Camp David broke down). In the meantime, there was relative calm in the occupied territories. During this period of quiet, the two sides continued negotiating behind closed doors. Meanwhile, life for the Palestinian population under Israeli occupation went on as usual. On July 28, Prime Minister Barak announced that Israel had no plans to withdraw from the town of Abu Dis, as it had pledged to do in the 1995 Oslo II agreement (以色列电线, 7/28/00)。 81 月和 2000 月初,以色列宣布在 Efrat 和 Har Adar 新建犹太人定居点,而以色列统计局报告说,XNUMX 年第一季度定居点建筑增加了 XNUMX%。在东耶路撒冷拆除了两座巴勒斯坦房屋, Sur Bahir 和 Suwahara 的阿拉伯居民收到了征用通知; 他们的房子坐落在一条计划中的犹太人专用高速公路的小路上(关于以色列在被占领土定居的报告, 11-12/00)。

    The Intifada began on September 29, 2000, when Israeli troops opened fire on unarmed Palestinian rock-throwers at the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, killing four and wounding over 200 (State Department human rights report for Israel, 2/01). 链接

    /The Israeli Left has to confront the crude reality that they were dealing with an adversary on an astonishingly low moral level. This is responsible for the almost permanent rightward tilt of Israeli politics and a sense of total disillusionment./

    The Taba talks are one of the most significant and least remembered events of the “peace process.” While so far in 2002 (1/1/02-5/31/02), Camp David has been mentioned in conjunction with Israel 35 times on broadcast network news shows, Taba has come up only four times–never on any of the nightly newscasts. In February 2002, Israel’s leading newspaper, 哈阿雷斯 (2/14/02), published for the first time the text of the European Union’s official notes of the Taba talks, which were confirmed in their essential points by negotiators from both sides.

    “Anyone who reads the European Union account of the Taba talks,” 哈阿雷斯 noted in its introduction, “will find it hard to believe that only 13 months ago, Israel and the Palestinians were so close to a peace agreement.” At Taba, Israel dropped its demand to control Palestine’s borders and the Jordan Valley. The Palestinians, for the first time, made detailed counterproposals–in other words, counteroffers–showing which changes to the 1967 borders they would be willing to accept. The Israeli map that has emerged from the talks shows a fully contiguous West Bank, though with a very narrow middle and a strange gerrymandered western border to accommodate annexed settlements.

    In the end, however, all this proved too much for Israel’s Labor prime minister. On January 28, Barak unilaterally broke off the negotiations. “The pressure of Israeli public opinion against the talks could not be resisted,” Ben-Ami said (“纽约时报”,7/26/01)。

    Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was directly engaged with Arafat at Taba, has repeatedly confirmed that it was Israeli public unwillingness to make concessions at Taba that scuttled any peace deal. In other words, they were already intransigent, no “rightward tilt” needed.

    /And you cannot succeed at anything unless you have a high sense of personal morality./

    And your “high sense of personal morality” begins with your own honesty, Aaron.

    The “purity of arms” shtick you’re peddling is just so much 哈斯巴拉, particularly when we’ve got folders stocked to overflow with examples of Israeli army malevolence.

    One such example:

    Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child’s body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. “She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs,” he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. “The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face.” 链接

    If you want to shed some light on this dark corner of the web, may I suggest avoiding this topic henceforth. Your words are not consonant with the best of what you have to offer.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  124. @AaronB

    ‘…Israel is the ancestral land of the Jews, the center of our religious life. The idea that we cannot have this tiny sliver – while Muslims and Christians between them half half the world – is morally preposterous.’

    We’ve been over that. You can no more trace your ancestry to Palestine than I can.

    On the other hand, the Palestinians…

  125. @FB

    ‘…I’m surprised the Jewish Internet Defense Force can’t hire anything more intelligent than a fucking cucumber…’\

    Hey. Are you talking shit about my cucumbers?

    • 哈哈: Talha, FB
  126. @AaronB

    ‘Hmmm, I suspect you might actually like Jews after all, Colin 🙂’

    I like Germans, too.

    At least the problem with them is in the past tense.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  127. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    The cease-fire lines of an armistice don’t magically become borders because you want them to.

    That is correct…but like I said, subsequent UNSC resolutions did recognize the pre 1967 borders…so that’s that…

    Like I said the general assembly resolutions are not binding…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  128. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I generally don’t support America giving Israel any money – at this point, it is just symbolic. Its 1% of Israel’s GDP.

    Obviously I support America selling Israel weapons to defend itself – which, by the way, it only did after after Israel’s 1967 victory, when it emerged Israel might be a useful as an ally in the Cold War.

    But my original point is that there can be no comparison between someone who regrets civilian casualties and someone who targets civilians.

    Do a thought experiment – in Israel soldiers are literally everywhere, all over the place, in uniform. There are also military checkpoints and bases all over the country, easily accessible, with soldiers in various states of alertness, often low.

    So its not like Palestinians lack military targets. They can regularly pick off soldiers walking around. Imagine for a moment Palestinians only killed soldiers, and attacked bases and checkpoints. Imagine they never murdered babies in their sleep. Imagine they never kidnapped teenagers. They never suicide bombed wedding halls.

    They would kill just as many Israelis, but they would all be combatants. They choose infants, children, and teenagers because this causes the most emotional damage.

    Israelis can tolerate soldiers dying, it’s expected of them, that’s their job.

    It’s a tactic chosen not for operational reasons but to inflict maximum trauma in the cruelest way possible.

    But how much more sympathetic Palestinians would be – how much more self respect they would have in their own eyes! – if they behaved in this manner!

    What Palestinians don’t realise is that by succumbing to their lowest instincts they hurt themselves in their own eyes and degrade their own society – out of this culture of moral degradation arises the fact that Arab officers abandon their soldiers in a crisis, and so many Palestinians are willing to cooperate with Israeli intelligence out of self disgust.

    One needs moral self respect. Our behavior towards others is entwined with our sense of self respect, and ultimately, our behavior towards our selves.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @Colin Wright
  129. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @attilathehen

    Present day Jews are not related to the Jews of the Old Testament or when Jesus lived.

    Everybody on the planet would descend from the Israelites after all this time. With the possible exception of the Sentinelese islanders. Do the arithmetic.

    1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 is the number of ancestral places you’d have had 100 generations ago. There were only about 100,000,000 people in the world in 500 BC [sic].

    • 回复: @attilathehen
  130. renfro 说:
    @Colin Wright

    People have been prevailing over despots and injustice for centuries…..the fat lady hasn’t sung on Palestine yet.

    • 回复: @Iris
  131. Yep, The so called “Israelis” really do believe their own bullshit. The MSM will do their part and spin it, as always. The Palestinians will be the terrorists who turned down the awesome deal of the century, that would have given them everything they ever hoped for and more. Its their fault, so now so called “Israel” has the right to murder more of them and steal their land and resources.

    The so called “Israelis” are living on borrowed time, and they know it. The younger generation does not buy into their BS, more and more Jews are turning on them. No way they can exist the way they wish to. Its only a matter of time now.

    I don’t blame most regular “Israelis” They are even more brainwashed than Americans, more so than even the “Christian Zionists” The leaders of “Israel” care nothing about the ordinary citizens, or the Jewish religion, only things they care about or worship are money and power. Colonialism/Imperialism same as it ever was.

    The ordinary citizens are programmed from birth to act the way they do, it’s just ignorance. No different here. Their “leaders” are no different than ours, all the mainstream parties are the same, voting makes little or no difference, the media is the same as ours, 24/7 nonsense and race baiting, divide and rule.

    Always follow the money. 60 percent of the gas reserves along the Gaza-Israel coastline legally belong to Palestine. Think the so called “Israelis” intend to ever let them profit from it? Same deal with Syria and Lebanon.

    War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas Fields
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680

    Preparing the Chessboard for the “Clash of Civilizations”: Divide, Conquer and Rule the “New Middle East”
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/preparing-the-chessboard-for-the-clash-of-civilizations-divide-conquer-and-rule-the-new-middle-east/27786

    Israel Steals Gaza’s Offshore Natural Gas: $15 Billion Deal with Jordan
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-steals-gazas-offshore-natural-gas-15-billion-deal-with-jordan/5399736

    Shares in Givot Olam, an Israeli oil exploration company, rallied in October on reports that it had located much larger oil reserves at its Meged site than expected.

    The field is located a few dozen yards on Israel’s side of the Green Line, the armistice line that separates Israel and the Palestinian territory of the West Bank. But the oil field—which extends over a large area, somewhere between 48 and 96 square miles, according to officials at the Israeli energy ministry – is assumed to lie under occupied territory as well.

    According to Palestinian officials, Israel—claiming security—has moved the course of its concrete and steel separation wall to provide Givot Olam with unfettered access to the site, between the Israeli town of Rosh Haayin and the Palestinian village of Rantis, northwest of Ramallah.

    https://www.wrmea.org/014-january-february/the-nakba-continues-israel-continues-its-theft-of-palestinian-natural-resources.html

  132. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I also like Germans 🙂 I even admire them. My favourite European writers are German.

  133. @FB

    ‘That is correct…but like I said, subsequent UNSC resolutions did recognize the pre 1967 borders…so that’s that…

    Like I said the general assembly resolutions are not binding…’

    ? You may want to look up what specifically the UNSC Resolutions said, and what legal force they have.

    What remains true is that Israel herself accepted the 1947 Partition Declaration boundaries. If I agree in writing to pay you $1500 a month rent, isn’t my rent $1500 a month?

    …or is Israel exempt from honoring her word? I mean, evidence implies she is, but…

    • 回复: @FB
  134. renfro 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Colin is correct.
    Furthermore if anyone wants claim Israel didn’t agree to UN boundaries they can go to the Office of the Historian and look up the letter conveyed to Truman by the then Israel Minster saying they accepted the UN plan and requirements in UN Res 181 and would formally announce the Jewish State’s creation. Res.181 laid out the borders in detail.

    I don’t have time to go get it but the Israeli letter is specific….so when the Jews claim they never accepted the boundaries or that there never were any specific boundaries they are lying.

    • 回复: @FB
  135. @Talha

    ‘Thanks for that link – much appreciated!

    别客气。

    …the only problem is that this can get like shooting the animals at some perversely magical merry-go-round.

    You shoot the lion, and it goes around and out of sight, and you shoot the giraffe, and it goes around and out of sight, and you shoot the unicorn, and it goes around and…

    …and there’s the lion again! Quite unharmed.

    Zionists have this array of a score or so lame and easily debunked arguments. No matter — they just trot them out one after the other, and when you’ve shot down number twenty, they just calmly produce number 0ne again.

    You have to recognize with this shit…your interlocutors have absolutely no intellectual integrity whatsover,

    • 回复: @Talha
  136. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    There are indeed countless examples of individual Israeli soldiers committing crimes in the field – but there is a system that investigates and punishes this, and it is prohibited and soldiers must attend classes on how to act morally.

    There are also countless cases where Israeli pilots and soldiers aborted missions on legitimate military targets because of potential civilian casualties.

    I am certainly not claiming Israeli behavior is without taint – but there is a literal universe of difference between the Israeli attitude, however flawed, and glam attitude which deliberately seeks out the weakest and most defenseless to kill, and a community that erupts in festivity in response to this.

    A flawed moral system cannot be compared to a complete disregard for the moral dimension.

    To bring this difference into vivid and sharp relief, consider the Israeli reaction to the recent case of a soldier who shot a neutralized terrorist – not even an innocent civilian, but an actual terrorist who moments ago attacked soldiers.

    The soldier was tried and served time in prison.

    Can one imagine anything remotely comparable among the Palestinians? They celebrate when they kill babies, can one imagine them punishing someone who shot dead an Israeli soldier who was neutralized? That would be the expected and desired thing.

    These comparisons are preposterous.

    And until the Palestinians grasp they are doing immense damage to their own moral fabric, that they are paradoxically reducing their ability to win and degrading themselves in their own eyes – because yes, they are human beings with consciences, and it registers on a deep level no matter what they tell themselves – their aspirations will come to nothing.

  137. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Actually, the Camp David Accords failed because the Palestinians insisted on the right of return of refugees into Israel 正确, demonstrating they would settle for nothing less than the total erasure of Israel, in an astonishingly revelation of their true intentions and scuttling the notion once and for all that they are interested in compromise.

    The Palestinians refused to sign this agreement. They made it clear that the issue of the refugees that Israel had expelled from Palestine in 1948 was at the heart of the conflict and that the conflict was not solely about the future of the occupied territories. They restated that a solution could not be reached so long as Israel did not recognize the right of return of refugees. The Israeli Parliament decided that the right of return of Palestinians to the properties they left behind in 1948 was non-negotiable.

    Camp David II failed and was followed by a resurgence of the Palestinian uprising or intifada.

    https://fanack.com/arab-palestinian-israeli-conflict/reparations-for-palestinians/peace-efforts-right-of-return/

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  138. @AnonStarter

    ‘…One such example:

    Capt R claimed that he had not fired the shots at the girl but near her. However, Dr Mohammed al-Hams, who inspected the child’s body at Rafah hospital, counted numerous wounds. “She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs,” he told the Guardian shortly afterwards. “The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face.” link

    If you want to shed some light on this dark corner of the web, may I suggest avoiding this topic henceforth. Your words are not consonant with the best of what you have to offer.’

    I think this is an example of that ineffable Jewish spiritual superiority AaronB was referring to a while back. You’ll note that Captain R’s punishment was progressively reduced until he was confined to base for a few months and suffered a reduction in rank — and then he successfully sued for damages!

    The irony, of course, is that the only reason Captain R was charged at all was that he was such an incredibly unpopular officer that his own men were willing to testify against him. Normally, of course, killing some little 希克萨 piece of vermin would be regarded as a 仪式 in the ol’ Light unto. One shot, two kills, as they say.

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  139. @AaronB

    ‘Obviously I support America selling Israel weapons to defend itself – which, by the way, it only did after after Israel’s 1967 victory, when it emerged Israel might be a useful as an ally in the Cold War.’

    Ahem. We already demonstrated that was a lie, Aaron.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  140. renfro 说:
    @AaronB

    The idea that we cannot have this tiny sliver – while Muslims and Christians between them half half the world – is morally preposterous

    lol….this sooooo typical…….Jews are only 13 to 15 million people….the world is 7 billion people…with Christians, Catholics and Muslims being the bulk of the 7 billion.

    What’s morally ridiculous is what the Jews have done with the piece of land they do have…..its the ultimate in immorality .

  141. @AaronB

    ‘…So its not like Palestinians lack military targets. They can regularly pick off soldiers walking around. Imagine for a moment Palestinians only killed soldiers, and attacked bases and checkpoints. Imagine they never murdered babies in their sleep. Imagine they never kidnapped teenagers. They never suicide bombed wedding halls.

    They would kill just as many Israelis, but they would all be combatants. They choose infants, children, and teenagers because this causes the most emotional damage.

    Israelis can tolerate soldiers dying, it’s expected of them, that’s their job…’

    I think if you ever work out the respective combatant/civilian kill ratios for each side, you’ll have to give yourself chutzpah points for this one, Aaron.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  142. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    You may want to look up what specifically the UNSC Resolutions said, and what legal force they have.

    They have the ultimate legal force, as they are legally binding on all UN member states…nothing trumps a UNSC resolution…

    Anyway…don’t want to flog a dead horse…but you’ve been given a bum steer on that 1947 borders thing…it just ain’t so…but I withdraw from further debate on that…

    Either way, the Kushner ‘deal’ is totally a non event…Kushner comes off as a total lightweight…and frankly his presence in the WH is rightly seen as a big negative by a lot of people…but Trump does need the Jewish endorsement…not to mention the Christian Zionists…PG has a good article on that today on the 战略文化网 网站…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  143. Al Liguori 说:
    @AaronB

    but there is a system that investigates and punishes this, and it is prohibited and soldiers must attend classes on how to act morally.

    Like Captain R??? http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html

    守望台:“是个小女孩。 她正在防御性地向东跑。”
    手术室:“我们是在谈论一个 10 岁以下的女孩吗?”
    守望台:“一个大约 10 岁的女孩,她在堤坝后面,吓得要死。”
    R队长(杀死女孩后):“任何在该区域移动的东西,即使是三岁的孩子,也需要被杀死。”

    “Captain R”升职并获得奖金。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  144. Andrew Ho 说:
    @Lot

    Imagine that! A guy who is named after an Old Testament “saint” would have the gall to defend Israel!

  145. @AaronB

    ‘There are indeed countless examples of individual Israeli soldiers committing crimes in the field – but there is a system that investigates and punishes this, and it is prohibited and soldiers must attend classes on how to act morally…’

    Several in jokes there, already, don’t you think?

    Will you explain the humor, or should I?

  146. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    来自维基–

    Kennedy ended the arms embargo that the Eisenhower and Truman administrations had enforced on Israel

    Kennedy in the early 60s was the first to sell weapons to Israel and the Arab armies equally, but in small amounts.

    Before this time and until 1968 –

    France became Israel’s main arms supplier at this time and provided Israel with advanced military equipment and technology. This support was seen by Israel to counter the perceived threat from Egypt under President Gamal Abdel Nasser with respect to the “Czech arms deal” of September 1955

    然后 -

    Following the war, the perception in Washington was that many Arab states (notably Egypt) had permanently drifted toward the Soviets. In 1968, with strong support from Congress, Johnson approved the sale of Phantom fighters to Israel, establishing the precedent for US support for Israel’s qualitative military edge over its neighbors. However, the US continued to provide military equipment to Arab states such as Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, to counter Soviet arms sales in the region.

    Large scale arms sales to Israel, with the US replacing France as its main supplier, began at this time, and the policy of maintaining Israel’s qualitative edge.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  147. @AaronB

    ‘…The soldier was tried and served time in prison.’

    Don’t be such a hypocrite. First off, he only served a couple of months.

    其次, and you know this perfectly well, the only reason he was charged at all was that he had been videotaped carrying out the murder in cold blood — and the footage had escaped into the public domain.

    ..,and to think you actually had the effrontery to gargle about Jewish spiritual superiority. You’re the most shamelessly dishonest hypocrite I’ve encountered on this board.

    …God knows. Maybe by Israeli moral standards you are pretty good. It could be. What’s the bottom like?

    • 回复: @AaronB
  148. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Lol, the weaponry at Israel’s disposal is vastly more lethal.

    In questions of guilt, one asseses intention and targeting, not only outcome.

    But yes, I would be comfortable doing such a kill ratio assessment, despite the vastly greater lethality of Israeli weapons, since probably around 95% percent of Palestinian attacks target civilians.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  149. @AaronB

    ‘…And until the Palestinians grasp they are doing immense damage to their own moral fabric, that they are paradoxically reducing their ability to win and degrading themselves in their own eyes – because yes, they are human beings with consciences, and it registers on a deep level no matter what they tell themselves – their aspirations will come to nothing.’

    And until then we get to keep grinding our boots into their faces!

    How convenient. And don’t be shy — you really like that part. It all goes with that spiritual superiority you’re so proud of.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  150. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I don’t think this will get resolved politically. I used to have hopes it would, but I do not think it can.

    As you point out, the markers along the way did not move along with the political input and sign off of all involved.

    That’s OK, lands taken by conquest can be regained through conquest ultimately. Again, it is paramount that our side follows the rules of war (whether through our sacred law or any international rules we have signed onto).

    The last foray into Lebanon helped prove out that Israel herself is militarily contained; containment was a prime goal. We can’t have her invading places like Lebanon and Jordan.

    There is a beautiful scene I remember from Lion of the Desert where Omar Mukhtar (ra) stops his men from shooting a young Italian officer, saying; “They are not our teachers.”

    It took us a while to slide to this place (disunity, greed, etc.) and it will take us time to get out of it. In reality, Israel really is a monument built on the foundation of our sins. Patience is required, we’ve got time, we’re not going anywhere – we’ve dealt with this plenty of times before.

    和平:

  151. @FB

    ‘They have the ultimate legal force, as they are legally binding on all UN member states…nothing trumps a UNSC resolution…’

    Until you quote evidence to support that — and cite the specific language used, this is a non-argument.

    I can assert the US Supreme Court said I have the right to hunt deer out of season, and I can claim nothing trumps a US Supreme Court ruling — but until I cite the actual language of the specific ruling, we’re just dealing with my claim that it’s so.

    • 回复: @FB
  152. @AaronB

    You do it, and like I have, you’ll find that it’s the reverse.

    Proportionately, the IDF kills far more civilians than Palestinian fighters do.

  153. AaronB 说:
    @Al Liguori

    Absolutely, we have our evil people. Difference is, we also have our good people, and the establishment and our majority are behind our good people.

    Who is the establishment and the majority behind among the Palestinians? Where are the Palestinians who aborted a mission because of civilian casualties lol? The question, is, obviously, nonsensical. They target civilians.

    Look, like I said, Palestinians hurt themselves more than they hurt Israelis with this – they cannot have a successful society until they address the moral rot that is at the core of their culture.

    A successful society requires trust, loyalty, and cooperation among its members – a society that is morally depraved towards its enemies will be incapable of generating the moral qualities needed to sustain itself on a high level.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @FB
  154. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Secondly, and you know this perfectly well, the only reason he was charged at all was that he had been videotaped carrying out the murder in cold blood — and the footage had escaped into the public domain

    .

    And how would the Palestinian public react to videotaping the murder in cold blood of Israeli children?

    Do you understand the difference here…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  155. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    As I said – Palestinians could kill an equal number of Israelis if they targeted only military. They choose not to.

    就是这样。

    Arab and Muslim societies ate not doing too well now, and the reasons are moral.

    Israel is flourishing.

    The underlying reasons are moral in both cases.

    If Palestininans don’t wish to change, that is up to them.

    The ball is in motion, and things will develop as they develop, according to Gods rules.

    祝你晚安。

  156. Osama Bin Truth [又名“伊斯兰教徒”] 说:
    @Charles_Martel

    莫萨德(Mossad)9-11的死刑应该是一个警钟。
    你们订阅了伪造的WMD和土狼飞机,这些飞机消失在巴比伦双子塔中,而您的直觉应该已经开始,并告诉您某些事情是不对的。
    9-11应该是检验真理的试金石,但您方便地忽略了它。 由于认知失调,您选择了另一种方式。
    您遵循布什的命令,进行了一次疯狂的消费,增加了更多的信用卡债务,并且利息很高,以撒旦的阴谋集团为食。
    在所有这些关于恐怖的虚假战争和无休止的骗局中,您无意中支持了犹太复国主义者的撒旦式的推动世界混乱的努力。
    在这一点上,您所能做的就是为自己的罪恶pent悔,并开始反击负责策划所有这些虚假的反恐战争的犯罪企业,并在al-CIA-da的帮助下制造出这些可怕的,恶毒的,险恶的ISISraHELL。和MOSSAD。
    另一种选择是坐下来,享受比您附近9-11大的烟花,同时他们为他们的上主伊斯拉·黑尔(Yzwehell)为他们的上主-反基督的达杰尔的到来做准备。
    无论哪种方式,都可以与这些恶魔般的,完全精神病的,恶性的,险恶的,病理性的撒谎者和大地的堕落者一起坐上云霄飞车。 种瓜得瓜,种豆得豆。

    关于9/11的令人毛骨悚然的事情以及前后都出现的许多次要的虚假标志是,尽管大多数美国人都知道它像一张三美元半的美联储备用注,但每个人似乎都满足于付诸表决。它旨在制造极其电话化的“反恐战争”,已经摧毁了世界上所有国家的一臂之力,造成超过XNUMX万人被谋杀,主要是使用美军,并将美国变成了无情的疯狂警察要求所有人都以“紧急状态”的名义遵守明显违法的法规,而统治精英则完全放弃遵守任何法律,同时集结了庞大的军事力量,以安抚如今动荡不安的公众

    伊斯兰教阻止他们高利贷掠夺人类的资源,并通过银行盗窃来欺骗人类。

    实施伊斯兰教法。 我宁愿生活在伊斯兰教法、上帝的宪法之下,也不愿生活在欧洲/西方的恶魔、撒旦、欺诈性金钱、同性恋、盗窃、虚假旗帜恶作剧、大规模杀伤性武器、虚假战争、无端压迫、电话谎言、圣诞老人谎言、迪斯尼骗局之下pocus, 好莱坞, 光照派, 自由石匠, 君主制, 寡头政治, 军事工业联合体, 终身国会议员/参议员, 直到眼球税, 美国国税局盗窃, 欺诈性联邦储备, 罗斯柴尔德/洛克菲勒/皇后区和国王伦敦市撒旦阴谋集团, 石油输出国组织petro$$$ 盗窃,ISISraHELL's,al-CIA-da 恶作剧,共产主义者,无神论者,偶像崇拜者,恐惧贩子,下药和醉酒的氧水晶可卡因冰毒精神病患者,儿童恋童癖,赌徒,病态和恶魔般的说谎者,伪君子,鸡奸者......我现在什么也想不出来,因为这些令人不安的央行行长的邪恶霸权让我的头脑怒火中烧!

    一般人对喷气式飞机及其飞行方式一无所知。飞机的蒙皮或外壳是铝制的,厚度约为一毛钱。他们认为它可以穿透 8 英寸厚的钢铁,并且可以以 500 英里/小时的速度在曼哈顿下城的建筑物之间飞行。
    知更鸟行动媒体使 911 事件成为可能。在总统解散中央情报局之前,美国将继续是一个病态的失败国家。宪法的签署者托马斯·杰斐逊和本杰明·富兰克林预感到,新国家美国最终会失败并被内部敌人摧毁。他们的说法正确吗?时间会证明一切。
    破坏过程已经开始,并且已经持续了 70 多年。一位总统试图阻止它,但他在达拉斯度过了非常糟糕的一天……56 年前。

    这篇文章以及几乎所有其他声称讨论以色列对 9-11 事件负有责任的文章中遗漏的最重要的事实之一是,在 100-9 和 11-9 日被捕的 12 多名以色列国民中,超过一半是非法在国内被抓的十几个是拆迁专家(都是在国内非法的)……。没有人把拆迁专家非法派到国外,因此秘密进行间谍活动,除非他们正在计划/进行……拆迁……
    现在我意识到这种火箭科学显然让大多数人无法接受.......
    以色列“秘密”网络空间宣传单位 8200 的非官方座右铭:永远不要让真相妨碍善意的谎言......

  157. @AaronB

    Your original statement.

    ‘…Obviously I support America selling Israel weapons to defend itself – which, by the way, it only did after after Israel’s 1967 victory…’

    ‘…In the early 1960s, Israel signed a deal with West Germany to purchase 150 M48A2 Patton tanks. However, due to strong Arab nation opposition, only 40 were received. Then the US decided to supply the remaining 110 M48A2 Patton tanks and to add another 100 M48 tanks. So, in 1965, Israel received 90 M48 tanks from the US and another 120 M48 tanks in 1966…’

    Should we go further?

    Look: if you can’t quit lying, I’m going to have to start ignoring you.

  158. @AaronB

    /Actually, the Camp David Accords failed because the Palestinians insisted on the right of return of refugees into Israel 正确/

    There’s no evidence that this was on the table at Taba. None. I’ve provided you with the statement of Shlomo Ben-Ami himself, who said quite clearly that it was Israeli public unwillingness that led to the breakdown of peace negotiations. You gave me a link to a site that repeats stock hasbara lies about Camp David, mentioning nothing about Taba.

    You’re now attempting to move the goalposts, Aaron, which does not reflect well upon you.

    Not a path to God, to be sure.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  159. @AaronB

    ‘…Absolutely, we have our evil people. Difference is, we also have our good people, and the establishment and our majority are behind our good people.

    Who is the establishment and the majority behind among the Palestinians? Where are the Palestinians who aborted a mission because of civilian casualties lol? The question, is, obviously, nonsensical. They target civilians…’

    It’s almost clinically interesting to observe how Aaron demonizes the Palestinians.

    Note that although there are two million Palestinians living in Israel proper, and thousands more enter every day to work, it has been over two years since an actual Jewish civilian has been killed within Israel proper.

    …yet the majority are constantly lusting for blood. Missing what must be literally millions of opportunities a day, somehow.

    One starts to get a sense of what it would have been like to talk to an 特遣队 member in 1941. Basically, Aaron — only perhaps more direct.

    Of course, since they are fiends in human form, it’s quite alright for the Jews to murder them as they see fit. One starts to see how this works.

    • 回复: @renfro
  160. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is one of the six principal organs of the United Nations (UN),[1] charged with ensuring international peace and security,[2] accepting new members to the United Nations[3] and approving any changes to its charter.[4]

    Its powers include the establishment of peacekeeping operations and international sanctions as well as the authorization of military actions through resolutions – it is the only body of the United Nations with the authority to issue binding resolutions to member states.

    联合国安理会

    In short the entire authority of the UN and the weight of international law rests with the UNSC…this is basic information about the postwar world order we live in…there is nothing to debate…

    That’s why the five permanent members that each have veto power are the big victors of the war…they agreed on the global legal system…

  161. @Reg Cæsar

    旧约和耶稣在世时的犹太人是高加索人。

    Modern day Jews are miscegenated. Here’s an interesting youtube on “Jews of color.”

    https://www.centralsynagogue.org/worship/sermons/detail/moses-married-a-cushite-woman-recognizing-the-many-colors-of-the-jewish-com

    Angela Buchdahl is not the Western idea of a Yiddische Mommy.

  162. Anyway, it’s anecdotal, but here’s our last killing in Palestine.

    ”A Palestinian child who was riding his bicycle near his village in the southern part of the West Bank was hit by an unknown Israeli settler and killed on Monday.
    7 岁的塔里克·泽巴尼亚 (Tariq Zebania) 来自希伯伦以西的塔尔库米亚 (Tarqumia),他正在镇附近的定居点道路上骑自行车。 他被一名以色列定居者驾驶的汽车撞到,后者在撞到男孩后前往“Adhoura”定居点。

    These aren’t accidental — either that or Jews are incredibly bad drivers.

    ‘…Local sources report that no efforts were made by the Israeli authorities to apprehend the driver who killed the boy.’

    Of course not. It’s not actually a crime to kill a Palestinian in Israel, is it, Aaron?

  163. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @AaronB

    Palestinians hurt themselves more than they hurt Israelis with this – they cannot have a successful society until they address the moral rot that is at the core of their culture.

    You’re a very very sick 多克...

    You talk about Palestinians targeting ‘civilians’…with what bottle rockets…?

    Meanwhile Israeli attacks on Gaza [like Operation Cast Lead]…employ a massive, modern killing machine that results in hundreds of lives taken overnight…

    When was the last suicide bombing in Israel…it was in 2008…eleven years ago…since then Israel has butchered hundreds upon hundreds…almost all totally unarmed and incapable of resistance…many of them children…

    The IDF is the world’s most COWARDLY military…

    In fact it doesn’t even deserve to be called a military…it is a modern day Schutzstaffel…full of psychopaths and sadists…

    You…who have shown yourself repeatedly on this forum as a completely unbalanced 多克…have just showed us non-Israelis how these ongoing crimes just keep continuing…because ‘people’ like you justify the unjustifiable…

    You can rationalize any horrror…any outrage that is beneath and beyond human comprehension…

    You blame the victim, just like Nazis blamed you Jews while slaughtering you…

    • 同意: Colin Wright
  164. Talha 说:

    旧约和耶稣在世时的犹太人是高加索人。

    Da Old Time 乔斯:

    我们 wuz Semytes 'n sheeeiit!

    和平:

    • 回复: @Violetta
  165. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    SHLOMO BEN-AMI: Well, the Clinton parameters say the following. They say that on the territorial issue, the Palestinians will get 100% of Gaza, 97% of the West Bank, plus safe passage from Gaza to the West Bank to make the state viable. There will be a land swap. The 97%, which I mentioned, takes into account the land swap, where they will get 3% on this side, within the state of Israel, so we will have the blocks of settlements and they will be able to settle refugees on this side of the border.
    About Jerusalem, it says what is Jewish is Israeli, and what is Palestinian is -— sorry, and what is Arab is Palestinian. It includes full-fledged sovereignty for the Palestinians on Temple Mount, on the Haram al-Sharif, no sovereignty, no Jewish sovereignty on the Haram al-Sharif, which was at the time and continues to be a major, major problem for Israelis and Jews, that these things mean to them a lot. And then, with the question of refugees, it says that the refugees will return to historic Palestine, to historical Palestine, and that Israel will maintain its sovereign right of admission. That is, it will have to absorb a number of refugees but with restrictions that need to be negotiated between the parties. But the bulk of the refugees will be allowed to return to the state of Palestine. This is the essence of the Clinton parameters.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/14/fmr_israeli_foreign_minister_shlomo_ben

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  166. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    This is from wiki –

    It appears the Palestinians demanded the right of return to Israel proper of all refugees, but gave verbal assurances they would try and channel many elsewhere – without committing to success in this or guaranteeing it.

    At Camp David, the Palestinians maintained their traditional demand that the right of return be implemented. They demanded that Israel recognize the right of all refugees who so wished to settle in Israel, but to address Israel’s demographic concerns, they promised that the right of return would be implemented via a mechanism agreed upon by both sides, which would try to channel a majority of refugees away from the option of returning to Israel.[20] According to U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, some of the Palestinian negotiators were willing to privately discuss a limit on the number of refugees who would be allowed to return to Israel.[21] Palestinians who chose to return to Israel would do so gradually, with Israel absorbing 150,000 refugees every year.

    The Israeli negotiators denied that Israel was responsible for the refugee problem, and were concerned that any right of return would pose a threat to Israel’s Jewish character. In the Israeli proposal, a maximum of 100,000 refugees would be allowed to return to Israel on the basis of humanitarian considerations or family reunification. All other people classified as Palestinian refugees would be settled in their present place of inhabitance, the Palestinian state, or third-party countries. Israel would help fund their resettlement and absorption. An international fund of $30 billion would be set up, which Israel would help contribute to, along with other countries, that would register claims for compensation of property lost by Palestinian refugees and make payments within the limits of its resources.[22]

  167. Miro23 说:
    @JNDillard

    … get the Pentagon to attack Iran, all bets are off. I don’t think such a war is capable of being contained, because Iran can and will take out US and allied assets throughout the Gulf region, probably precipitating nuclear retaliation.

    The US is moving its forces into the Gulf with a view to air strikes. This seems to be the game plan – to destroy Iranian infrastructure, the same as Iraq infrastructure was destroyed. Iran is better prepared than Iraq and has more effective air defense. Also, the US commitment to new ME wars is weaker now (seeing how the other ME wars have turned out).

    A failed US air war could turn nuclear but this couldn’t be entered into lightly (even for Trump).

    Europe (apart from the UK) would conclusively dump the US. They are already looking for ways to disentangle themselves from the US politically and economically. Russia and China would do the same. The present day US only gets by, through its world economic hegemony, which is nearer the “dry up and blow away” stage than it’s given credit for.

    “一旦我们将所有力量挤出美国,它就会干dry并炸毁。”

    本雅明·内塔尼亚胡

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  168. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @renfro

    Again…it is beside the point…UN general assembly resolutions are NOT BINDING…

    Only UNSC resolutions are…and those have affirmed the 1949 borders…like it or not Israel is legally entitled to its pre 1967 borders…that’s not in dispute…

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  169. renfro 说:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s almost clinically interesting to observe how Aaron demonizes the Palestinians.

    Its good he does it…..its useful for us to have the comments of a typical jew/Israeli to show people.
    Once in a while when some friends come over for pre dinner cocktails and politics comes up I show them comments on this site. …….the Jews don’t look so good to them when the see comments by the Israel trolls . I guess I am contributing to anti-Semitism…..but its their own fault…I am innocent I tell you!….. cause I belong to the ancient chosen white man Christian Crusaders and we can do no wrong!….even if I am doing wrong its still the Jews fault for making me be mean cause they hate me just because I am a Gentile…..so there!

  170. @AaronB

    ‘And how would the Palestinian public react to videotaping the murder in cold blood of Israeli children?

    Do you understand the difference here…’

    Sure I understand the difference here.

    You’re comparing the hypothetical murder of a child to the actual murder of an adult. You’re also comparing the hypothetical reaction of an oppressed people to the actual reaction of their oppressors.

    I also know that in actual fact, there was widespread outrage that the Jew who actually murdered someone was tried at all, that he received an absurdly light sentence, and that he was greeted as a hero upon his release.

    Do you have a point? Maybe you feel the US should stop sending F-35’s to the Palestinian air force? Perhaps we shouldn’t have given all those standing ovations to Nasrallah?

    Are you conducting black propaganda for Hamas? If so, I gotta admit: it’s working.

    • 回复: @Talha
  171. JNDillard 说:

    内塔尼亚胡引用了一句有趣的话。我不知道他的朋友库什纳和特朗普是否看到了这一点?

  172. @Miro23

    ‘…Europe (apart from the UK) would conclusively dump the US. They are already looking for ways to disentangle themselves from the US politically and economically. Russia and China would do the same…’

    Given how the Democrats are talking themselves into deep left field, I think Trump knows there are only two ways he’s likely to lose in 2020: (1) if the economy tanks, or (2) if he starts a war with Iran.

    The question is whether he has any choice about starting a war with Iran. I’m not sure how good a grip Israel has on his testicles. He seems to be trying to finesse not actually doing anything, but he may wind up pushing Iran too far.

    Of course, ultimately that war with Iran winds up with us finally pulling the plug on Israel. So unpleasant as it will be for all concerned, maybe we should just go ahead and lance that boil and get it over with. Start our disastrous war with Iran, come out as a still-large-but-no-longer dominant power, and see an end to the Zionist entity.

    Whatever the risks, it’s hard to see how waiting makes them go away.

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  173. Violetta 说:
    @Talha

    不要开玩笑——古代以色列人的种族构成可不是小事。 此外,术语“semite”是指 语言 群体,而不是种族或种族群体。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

    • 回复: @Talha
  174. @Desert Fox

    As Paul C Roberts pointed out, this welfare given to Israel is used to control US politicians through bribes and threats. If the welfare is cut off and the Likudniks have to dig into their own pockets for “campaign contributions” (aka bribes), all they would have left are threats.

    Removing the carrot from the equation would leave them with only the stick and that would cause immediate pushback from politicians.

    • 同意: Desert Fox
  175. @RadicalCenter

    Without the US military, Israel would have nothing to use in negotiations. Israel would simply fold, becoming a non-nation community in a region where Jews are a minority. That would suit me fine.

  176. @Colin Wright

    Nah. The Israelites didn’t come from here, for the most part. They came from Europe. The crimes you say are ours weren’t committed by Americans, but by Israelites in America. If any atonement is due, let the Israelites return to Europe and atone for their invasion of Europe by mideastern muslims.

    They broke it, let them fix it, on their own dime using their own blood and money. The USA has more than enough Israelites as it is.

    • 回复: @Talha
  177. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    If I recall, the vast majority of Palestinians opposed the killing of a settler family in their sleep some years ago:
    “Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called the attack “despicable, immoral and inhuman.” The poll found 63 percent opposed the attack and 32 percent backed it.”
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

    Was there a baby killed since then?

    I do remember a few years back some Israeli settlers celebrated the burning of a Palestinian toddler in an arson attack, but it was also condemned by most Israelis and their leadership:

    Have there been more attacks on women and kids by Palestinians since that earlier attack?

    和平:

  178. @AaronB

    Oy vey, Aaron …

    1. You originally lied about the start of the 2000 intifada, which began only after Israel stole land, destroyed homes and shot dead protestors at Aqsa. You attempt to place the blame entirely on Palestinians, when it was Israel who initiated hostilities.

    2. When I exposed your lie, you then shifted the goalposts by mentioning the subject of refugee return, essentially confirming that it was the Israeli public and not the Palestinians who were to blame for the breakdown of talks at Taba.

    Now let’s humor you and pursue your new goalposts. From your DN transcript link:

    Norman Finkelstein: … Now, Dr. Ben-Ami will surely agree that the Palestinians were not demanding and never demanded the full return of six million refugees. He gives a figure of 4-800,000. In fact – I’m not going to get into the numbers, because it’s very hard to pin it down — other authors have given figures of the tens of thousands to 200,000 refugees returning. That’s well short of six million.

    4-800,000 hovers around 10% of six million. Ten percent.

    And, according to your wiki link, Israel was willing to absorb only 50,000 less per year than originally proposed by Arafat. There is nothing in that link about Arafat not “committing to success in this or guaranteeing” the placement of remaining refugees elsewhere. That’s just more hasbara on your behalf.

    I’d provide a lot more that would decisively demolish the Potemkin facade you construct here, but there’s actually little need for it. You see, Aaron, we can turn back the calendar all the way to Ahad Ha’am and the late 19th century, when it was evident that Herzl’s foot soldiers had no intention of peaceful co-existence with Arabs indigenous to the land. Their intent to displace this population has been confirmed by copious documentation, it’s what precipitated all the riots of the early 20 century. In short, your people have been on a war footing from the very beginning of the modern zionist project.

    When you insist on waging war, you get nothing but war in return. As such, your complaints about what happens to illegal occupiers of land whom you dishonestly call “civilians” ring hollow. You don’t think they’re illegal? Well, that’s because you’ve discarded international law, which merely confirms you want to impose your own standards of law and to hell with everything else. In other words, you invite war upon yourselves and have nobody but yourselves to blame for it.

    And, just in case you’ve forgotten, many empires were exceedingly “successful” in their time, not a single one of whose leadership predicated their administration upon God-consciousness. God gave them just enough rope, and the rest is, as they say, history — into the dustbin and consigned to the realm of morality plays.

    And the contemporary polity of Israel, for all of its posturing, is merely enjoying the high life just before the final act.

    享受它,而它持续。

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  179. @FB

    /like it or not Israel is legally entitled to its pre 1967 borders…that’s not in dispute…/

    Uh … Yes, it is.

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/

    Before a final agreement upon the status of Palestine could be reached at the U.N., Israel unilaterally declared statehood, thereafter commencing to ethnically “cleanse” Palestine of most of its Arab inhabitants.

    is not in dispute.

    • 回复: @FB
  180. Talha 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    They came from Europe.

    That was definitely the original settler stock since the entire enterprise was really a secular ethno-nationalist dream of atheist European Jews. If you read their remarks, they were extremely pissed off at the Jews in places like Egypt and Iraq were dismissive of their plans; “Nah, we’re good here, thanks!”

    Though, eventually, the Jews from all over the Middle East and Africa ended up in Israel (thanks to the short-sighted actions of Arab secular ethno-nationalists).

    “The majority of the world’s Jewish population are Ashkenazim, tracing their ancestry to Europe, In Israel, Sephardic Jews, who descend from communities in the Middle East and North Africa, account for just over half (52%) of the Jewish population.“
    https://cija.ca/resource/israel-the-basics/demographics-of-israel/

    和平:

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  181. Talha 说:
    @Violetta

    Yeah it was a joke – basically making fun of post #173.

    和平:

  182. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    And, just in case you’ve forgotten, many empires were exceedingly “successful” in their time, not a single one of whose leadership predicated their administration upon God-consciousness. God gave them just enough rope, and the rest is, as they say, history — into the dustbin and consigned to the realm of morality plays

    .

    Are you prepared to admit, then, that the Muslim conquest of the Middle East did not rest on superior moral qualities than their adversaries?

    I would disagree. The early Muslims clearly exhibited superior moral qualities, both towards their enemies, and since it is all intertwined, towards themselves.

    I do not think these early Muslim commanders abandoned their men in the field.

    All successful large scale operations depend on superior moral qualities. Even the Roman empire demonstrated extraordinary moral and spiritual qualities at first.

    The extraordinary creation of Israel, and its ability to flourish and prevail, are due to its superiority qualities compared to their foes.

    If Israel disappears, it will be because we have lost our moral fiber, and God will abandon us. Perhaps that will happen one day, in the fullness of time and as the wheel turns.

    But at the moment, all trends are in the other direction.

    Failing to recognize this merely prolongs the moral morass the Muslim world finds itself in, for so long now.

    Talha is quite honest about the negative moral predicament of the Muslim world, and correctly attributes the setbacks that afflict it to this – you would do well to follow his lead.

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  183. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    As such, your complaints about what happens to illegal occupiers of land whom you dishonestly call “civilians” ring hollow. You don’t think they’re illegal?

    Yes, the occupation zone is effectively a military conflict area an Palestinians have every right to oppose it, even with violence.

    That means military age males in the zone are fair game (which most settlers realize and are armed). But the lives of women and children are inviolable, even in the midst of a battle so they cannot be targeted for sure and proper caution must be taken to avoid harming them.

    瓦萨拉姆。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  184. @Colin Wright

    I’m under the impression that Aaron thinks he’s addressing an AEI or FDD audience here. You know, the kind that just sit there and reflexively nod their heads upon hearing something that their long since suffocated conscience would otherwise find repellent.

    I can even hear the golf claps as we speak.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  185. @Talha

    /But the lives of women and children are inviolable, even in the midst of a battle so they cannot be targeted for sure and proper caution must be taken to avoid harming them./

    Islamically, yes, but we were referring to secular international law, to which Aaron implicitly appeals when he uses the term “civilian,” claiming such status in an attempt to whitewash the contemporary history of Palestine.

    was-salaam。

  186. @GazaLibre

    The best chance to break out of it is the Hard Left/Islamic alliance – the same that Trump has been trashing lately.

  187. @AaronB

    /Are you prepared to admit, then, that the Muslim conquest of the Middle East did not rest on superior moral qualities than their adversaries?/

    1. You’re conflating morality with martial proficiency. Indeed, it appears to be a fallacy entertained by many people that military success constitutes some kind of incontrovertible “proof” that “God is on our side.” Courage is only admirable when it advances what is good, and there are too many examples of courageous endeavor premised upon worldly objectives to even begin meriting mention.

    2. The egalitarian ethos of Islam was such a draw to those suffering beneath the yoke of proximate polities that they often assisted Muslims in their ascension to political reign. Israel enjoyed no such assistance from those whose land they dispossessed. Apples and oranges.

    Israel is “successful” in what it does because it applies elements of Islam 特别 to the attainment and preservation of political power — solidarity and self-effacement being among the most important. Such are notably distinct from those elements of Islam it so obviously lacks.

    Millennial world Muslims and their followers lost the knowledge of Islam long ago, but what we’ve witnessed consistently is that when God provides it anew to the goyim, most inhabitants of the House of Israel militate against it — not prayer, nor fasting, nor charity 本身, no, but against application of the very science of attaining political strength that Israel wants to claim as its exclusive property. Hence, the concerted effort to outlaw even non-violent movements such as BDS. Anti-revisionist legislation that incarcerates someone merely for having an alternative academic opinion is yet another example, and the litany of lawfare waged by Israel against those who assert their right to self-determination is too extensive to summarize here. It is legion.

    So enjoy your time in the sun, Aaron. Sooner or later, it’ll set and the only light to guide you won’t be the memory of your worldly success.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  188. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Military success is assuredly evidence of moral qualities developed over time – the high level of social cooperation, trust, dedication, and self sacrifice required cannot exist outside an extremely elevated moral framework.

    Now, you are correct that military power can and often is used for wrong ends – and this usually initiates the process of moral corruption, and ends in loss of military efficiency.

    And you are correct that a particular people enjoying military success may be in this transitional stage towards moral decay, and using up its moral capital so to speak.

    But even that is evidence of recently accumulated moral capital.

    What stage Israel is in, time will tell. I know how the evidence seems to me.

    The egalitarian ethos of Islam was such a draw to those suffering beneath the yoke of proximate polities that they often assisted Muslims in their ascension to political reign. Israel enjoyed no such assistance from those whose land they dispossessed. Apples and oranges.

    This isn’t quite true.

    By any tangible measure, Israel offers far greater political freedom, social freedom, and economic opportunity to Palestinians who live within or at peace with it than they have under the Palestinian authority.

    The Druze who have made a pact with us and serve in the IDF, are treated as brothers and friends. They are allowed to serve in the best and most sensitive units, including pilots, and become generals and commanders of entire brigades (with occasional, and deplorable, exceptions of the kind that bedevil all social relations).

    Conversion to Islam after conquest took decades and centuries, and was accompanied by an element of coercion Israel does not employ. Further, Islam was spread out over the entire area, exerting a gravitational pull tiny Israel cannot quite match yet.

    In the coming decades, may the Palestinians abandon their immoral ambitions and form similar pacts of friendship and brotherhood with us, to the benefit of both of our peoples. Their nationalist aspirations can be satisfied through the 22 Arab states that already cover nearly the whole of the Middle East.

    We would also welcome sincere Palestinian converts who wish to join themselves to our nation and share our fate.

    Federation and pacts of friendship between us are the obvious moral solution – but gaining political dominance, the Palestinian ambition, is off the table.

    May God lead the Palestinians to wisdom soon.

  189. @AaronB

    ‘…If Israel disappears, it will be because we have lost our moral fiber, and God will abandon us. Perhaps that will happen one day, in the fullness of time and as the wheel turns…’

    If Israel disappears, it will be because we here in the US finally pull the plug on it.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  190. @AaronB

    ‘…Their nationalist aspirations can be satisfied through the 22 Arab states that already cover nearly the whole of the Middle East…’

    How about Jews satisfying their national aspirations in the lands they came from?

    For example, in the US, Jews — a minority making up 1.5% of the population — are a third of the justices on the Supreme Court, make up a third of all billionaires, control a wildly disproportionate share of the media, and hold a tenth of all seats in Congress and the Senate.

    Isn’t that enough? Why should you have more? Why do you need to drive an unoffending people from their land — a land most Jews can’t even be bothered to move to?

    The greed, amorality, and complete indifference to the rights of others is utterly sickening.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  191. @AnonStarter

    ‘I’m under the impression that Aaron thinks he’s addressing an AEI or FDD audience here. You know, the kind that just sit there and reflexively nod their heads upon hearing something that their long since suffocated conscience would otherwise find repellent.’

    There is the occasional idiosyncrasy, but basically, he’s regurgitating 哈斯巴拉 谈话要点。

    One thing that makes me a little wary of continuing to respond to his baiting is that I suspect he’s being paid to do this while we’re not.

  192. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Then how did Israel survive till 1968, in some ways its best military period?

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  193. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    How about Jews satisfying their national aspirations in the lands they came from

    Returning to Israel is just that 🙂

    I told you already I do not support Jews who identify primarily as Jewish dominating key institutions in the US.

    Moving to Israel is one very good way – the only good way, unless you wish to kill us – to rectify this.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  194. @Talha

    ‘Yes, the occupation zone is effectively a military conflict area an Palestinians have every right to oppose it, even with violence.

    That means military age males in the zone are fair game (which most settlers realize and are armed). But the lives of women and children are inviolable, even in the midst of a battle so they cannot be targeted for sure and proper caution must be taken to avoid harming them.

    Wa salaam.’

    It’s a fine point, but do you think you should just grant your oppressor the right to move his women and children onto your land in impunity?

    When, during World War Two, the Germans attempted to establish a settlement deep within occupied Poland — at Zamosc — the Polish Home Army looked at this. They realized it couldn’t be tolerated, and they attacked the families, killing the women and children.

    The Germans abandoned the project. No one ever condemned the Polish Home Army.

    If you want the invader to go away, you can’t be polite about it. If you discover a pig eating the apples you’ve harvested, it won’t do any good to politely explain to him that these are your apples.

    You have to smack him on the snout. Make it hurt so bad he goes away and never comes back. If their women and children will be killed at night, the Jews won’t come. Whatever else there is to be said about it, that much is true.

    • 回复: @Talha
  195. @AaronB

    ‘This isn’t quite true.

    ‘By any tangible measure, Israel offers far greater political freedom, social freedom, and economic opportunity to Palestinians who live within or at peace with it than they have under the Palestinian authority.’

    Of course, given that the Palestinian Authority is a body that you yourselves manipulate, fund, staff, and control, the hypocrisy of that statement is spectacular.

    …Honestly. You blockade and starve the Palestinians — then point out how they lack economic opportunity. You murder and imprison their leaders, arrest the representatives they elect, and shut down their radio stations and newspapers — then say they lack political freedom.

    Could you be more hypocritical? Is there some additional twist you can think up?

  196. @AaronB

    ‘Then how did Israel survive till 1968, in some ways its best military period?’

    So let’s pull the plug on it now, and see how it does.

    No aid, no protection in the UN, no license to pillage the rest of the world via organized crime, no sanctioned technology theft and resale…just another Sudan or Myanmar or Paraguay.

    We’ll let Israel sink or swim.

    I don’t think it’ll be around for long. After all, 原样, forty percent of the Jews there say they would emigrate if only they could. You’ll need those walls to keep everybody in.

    But hey. Maybe I’ll be wrong. At least I won’t still be sponsoring the evil.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  197. @AaronB

    ‘Returning to Israel is just that 🙂’

    I warned you about repeating lies.

  198. @AnonStarter

    ‘1. You originally lied about the start of the 2000 intifada, which began only after Israel stole land, destroyed homes and shot dead protestors at Aqsa. You attempt to place the blame entirely on Palestinians, when it was Israel who initiated hostilities.’

    I think we can safely move on from the specific to the general here. As a rule, the following statement is true about Israel:

    ‘1. You originally lied about the start of ______, which began only after Israel stole land, destroyed homes and shot dead _______ at _______. You attempt to place the blame entirely on _________, when it was Israel who initiated hostilities.’

    There. Nicely covers most of the cases, doesn’t it?

    • 同意: AnonStarter
  199. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I would not have a problem with that, provided that all international actors stay out of the conflict. Just leave the two sides to themselves. Sure.

    American support has been a blessing, but also a huge restraint. If not for the need to to consider American and European sensibilities, I suspect the West Bank would have been fully Israeli, and Jordan would most likely be the Palestinian state. And there would actually be a rough peace prevailing.

    From 1948 to 1967, Israel flourished with no to negligible American support.

    But I don’t think things are going to go in that direction. Instead, the nascent Western nationalisms will form alliances with Israel, against the Muslim world.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  200. @AaronB

    Dearest Aaron … Your obfuscation is not becoming a man of God.

    You’re attempting to redefine what I had meant by “morality,” which, to any given reader, obviously was not referring exclusively to the “social cooperation, trust, dedication, and self sacrifice” of a successful army. Basic, common sense morality, as defined by God, would necessitate that, first and foremost, Israel would have to admit egregious wrongdoing in its willful dispossession of Palestinian land and subsequent mistreatment of its people. This is all a matter of record and yet you prattle on prodigally in plain denial of it, pretending that none of it matters.

    Distilling your argument to its raw substance, you’re essentially saying that success in our worldly life is manifest evidence of success in the next, which is an assertion for which you won’t find any support from God — not in The Torah, nor in The Psalms.

    我写的

    The egalitarian ethos of Islam was such a draw to those suffering beneath the yoke of proximate polities that they often assisted Muslims in their ascension to political reign. Israel enjoyed no such assistance from those whose land they dispossessed. Apples and oranges.

    You then twist this to mean something completely different from what I originally wrote, ignoring the fact that, from before the time of Ahad Ha’am to the present, Israel has done everything it could to dispossess Palestinians and subjugate them to humiliating living conditions. The only reason it confers limited rights to Arabs on its side of the front lines is that to do otherwise would be scandalous in the eyes of the world, a consideration literally codified in the Talmud.

    But Israel’s veneer is quite thin, as Palestinians on its side of the front will tell you:

    https://www.adalah.org/en

    I also have quite a large collection of evidence proving that Israel is not the idyllic polity for Arabs you would like us to believe it is. Here’s a small sample of some titles I’ve bookmarked:

    以色列的阿拉伯公民为他们头上的屋顶而战
    以色列城市重振历史使命,将阿拉伯人拒之门外
    “以色列的每一个黑皮肤现在都是目标”
    以色列对恐怖分子的死刑将不适用于犹太人
    以色列对阿拉伯语言的战争
    犹太叙利亚人,现在是穆斯林,不允许移民到以色列
    “成千上万的人不能在以色列结婚”
    18 岁通缉犯:以色列阻止巴勒斯坦电影制片人制作纽约电影首映

    That’s just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, Aaron. Here’s a good indication of why Israeli “democracy” has yielded such inequity:

    主要民意调查:大约一半的以色列犹太人想驱逐阿拉伯人

    近五分之四(79%)的阿拉伯以色列人表示,以色列社会对穆斯林存在严重歧视。 犹太人则相反。 绝大多数(74%)的人表示,他们认为以色列对穆斯林的歧视并不多。

    … which explains your particular variety of blindness to the matter. And the kicker:

    … public opinion among Jews is divided on the question of whether Israel can be a national home for the Jewish people while maintaining the Arab minority in the country. Nearly half of Israeli Jews, 48 percent, say Arabs should be deported or exiled from Israel. 宗教人士 tend to be particularly supportive of such a move: about 71 percent agree that Arabs should be expelled. [emphasis mine]

    So it appears Jewish religiosity is not quite the foundation for universal liberty that you imagine it to be. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    最后一点:

    The PA is about as Islamic as a keg of beer. And I never mentioned “conversion to Islam,” which has always been readily available to anyone at any given time, doesn’t take “decades and centuries,” and was decidedly 不能 “accompanied by an element of coercion.”

    I, too, pray that God will transform us, AaronB. May he make us as those who genuinely know Him and respect Him as He would love to be respected.

    阿缅

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @AaronB
  201. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    but do you think you should just grant your oppressor the right to move his women and children onto your land in impunity?

    We don’t grant any rights – we don’t have the right to grant rights to things such as life. God has granted women and children inviolability through the words of His Messenger (pbuh). In fact, the hadith are transmitted so clearly and through so many chains on this subject that there is no doubt as to the words and some say they have the same weight as any verse of the Qur’an. On top of that, one of the transmissions specifically states that a woman was found killed 在战场上 and he prohibited it in response to this – thus there simply is no room for misunderstanding.

    The only exceptions to this are; 1) if the woman (or child) is armed and attacking (even fleeing women warriors are given protection, unlike the men that can be cut down at will) and 2) women or children killed accidentally and not by any deliberate attempt at their lives.

    You have to understand, the Muslim scholars dealt with these situations centuries ago, so these things are nothing new. Even if the enemy uses his own women and children as shields you have to make an attempt to avoid hitting them.

    Again, we simply do not abide by ends-justifies-the-means and anger is not an excuse:
    “O you who believe, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just! That is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah, indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.” (5:8)

    “Beware of the supplication of the oppressed, even if he is an unbeliever, for there is no barrier between it and Allah.” – reported in the Musnad of Imam Ahmad

    And I simply cannot see how a Muslim will be able to answer for something as vile as murdering a child on the Day of Judgment.

    和平:

  202. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @AnonStarter

    Look…I’m not going to waste time on this wrongheaded BS forever…

    Did you actually read the article you linked to…if you had you would know that the GA res 181 was passed on to the Security Council…but the SC never adopted the plan…

    In later UNSC resolutions Israel’s pre 1967 borders are affirmed…so it is settled…

    Again…do not bother me any more with this nonsense…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  203. @AaronB

    ‘…From 1948 to 1967, Israel flourished with no to negligible American support…’

    Other than, as noted, several hundred tanks. Shall we go through the rest of Israel’s 1967 arsenal? Half tracks, for example? Artillery, per chance?

    There’s also the minor detail that it’s improbable Israel would have come into being in 1948 at all absent American support.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Talha
  204. @AnonStarter

    ‘The PA is about as Islamic as a keg of beer. And I never mentioned “conversion to Islam,” which has always been readily available to anyone at any given time, doesn’t take “decades and centuries,” and was decidedly not “accompanied by an element of coercion.”’

    It’s varied; but in the case of the actual Jews of Palestine, the process seems to have been rather the reverse.

    The first Muslim conquerors did not encourage converts. Then, at some point, they ‘opened the books,’ so to speak. This was when the Jewish population of Palestine seems to have taken up Islam and became — along with those who had adopted Christianity — the ancestors of today’s ‘Palestinians.’

    …whom Aaron and his buds so relentlessly grind under foot.

    • 回复: @Talha
  205. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    To change the subject for a moment, if you will allow me –

    I was just in the Barnes and Nobles on Union Square and began leafing through a book on the Quaran by Garry Wills…

    In it he says the Quaran says no People of the Book should convert to any of the other religions of the Book. That a Covenant was given to each people, and that is correct and appropriate to them.

    Christianity seeks to abolish Judaism and become universal – one of the main regrettable sources of tension – but Islam seems to be more narrowly defined as the specific Covenant for a specific people, like Judaism.

    And seems to share the Jewish belief that people outside the faith can find salvation, but even more powerfully, in that no distinction is made in the quality of salvation arising from each Faith – and Judaism definitely makes distinctions in this regard.

    If this is true, this makes Islam at once more liberal and permissive than Christianity, and more restrictive at the same time as a covenant for a specific people – and with regard to Judaism, more liberal in that it makes no distinction in the quality of salvation arising from each Faith, and as restrictive in that covenants are made with specific people.

    If this is true, there seems to be no reason any non-pagan should convert to Islam – it is just one way to God appropriate to one people.

    However, there are clearly senses in which Islam regards itself as superior – I believe Mohammeds revelation supersedes all others when they contradict, and is considered the final and most authoritative. And Muslims are expected to acquire political sovereignty over the earth, and Christian or Jewish land once coming under Islamic rule must remain so forever – clearly suggesting the faiths are hardly equal.

    I imagine there are many other aspects I don’t know.

    This is natural, as a merely Perennial Philosophy style believe in the essential equality of paths to God could not generate much loyalty to a particular tradition…

    So – is any if this correct or is Gary Wills completely mistaken? Or am I misunderstanding?

    I invite any Muslim who so wishes to contribute an answer…

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  206. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    The Soviet Union recognized Israel first, and America only a few days later.

    America placed an arms embargo on Israel during the 48 war, and actually stopped Jewish purchased arms shipments.

    As I showed above, American arms only began reaching Israel in the early 60s under Kennedy, who ended the embargo – and only in substantial quantities and for the purpose of maintaining a quantitative edge after the 67 war.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  207. Miro23 说:
    @JNDillard

    “一旦我们将所有力量挤出美国,它就会干dry并炸毁。”
    本雅明·内塔尼亚胡

    不幸的是,来源不佳: http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/2304897-anti-american-netanyahu-quote-has-been.html

    I can’t see anything wrong with it. Do you need Netanyahu to include this statement in an official speech ?

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512234448/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    There’s no doubt that Netanyahu wanted Pollard released, but his really interesting private conversations would be the ones regarding 9/11.

  208. @Colin Wright

    我的。

    Looking into this further, the 1967 IDF seems to have been a big user of the M3 half track, and their artillery seems to have largely consisted of US 105 and 155 mm pieces.

    No US equipment. No sirree.

  209. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    This idea is reminiscent of the Roman and Greek idea that each people had its own God, but limited to fewer groups.

  210. @FB

    ‘…In later UNSC resolutions Israel’s pre 1967 borders are affirmed…so it is settled…

    Again…do not bother me any more with this nonsense…’

    And yet, you never quote the specific text. Now, if I want to make a point about the Balfour Declaration, say, I quote it.

    • 回复: @FB
  211. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Actually, the fact that Israel kicked massive butt of those Arab armies shouldn’t surprise anyone. The entire defense of that area was outsourced to the quite capable Ottoman military command. The officer core were extremely capable Turks (at times even officers from the Balkans and at times even borrowing talent from Germany) that led garrisons manned by Turks and Bosnians/Albanians along with Arab auxiliaries. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the nascent Arabs were left on their own and without centuries of collective experience of fighting large scale battles against very formidable and modern foes.

    And man, did they crash and burn by that trial by fire.

    Well, at least they got trounced under Arab leadership instead of a Turkish one, so they have that to show for it.

    Now, Arabs have always been quite capable at small unit actions that operate independently in a war of attrition. That is their shtick and they are good at it when they apply it. Lebanon 2006 was a great example.

    My guess; if they really want to win a war against Israel, they are going to have to borrow a command/control structure manned by someone else and be just be willing to do the fighting. Again, they have time for this since containment as been achieved for the foreseeable future.

    和平:

  212. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    And actual military aid packages, I think, started in 1985, I believe.

  213. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    The first Muslim conquerors did not encourage converts.

    The Rashidun did, but one of the main concerns of men like Caliph Umar (ra) was that the Muslims should be careful to retain their religion and not be so free and easy about mixing it in with others; one of the main reasons so many new garrison towns were established; for instance Kufa and Fustat (that would later sprawl and become Cairo). So the focus was not so much on spreading the religion at that point as much as preserving its foundations from dilution and corruption.

    The Ummayyads did actually have an official policy of discouraging conversions; due to loss in revenue from jizyah.

    和平:

  214. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    Look you can use google right?…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

    The actual document…

    https://undocs.org/S/RES/242(1967)

    There have been numerous subsequent UNSC resolutions including…338, 1397, 1515, 1850…

    Wow…talk about OBSTINATE…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  215. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    Scratch that I did some research on Wills it seems he is a virtue signaller in the style of Karen Armstrong and the Perennial Tradition, and not a reliable source.

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  216. AaronB 说:
    @AaronB

    I’m embarrassed. Seems Wills just flat out falsified and made stuff up.

    Disregard my comment.

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  217. @Colin Wright

    ” Start our disastrous war with Iran, come out as a still-large-but-no-longer dominant power, and see an end to the Zionist entity.”

    Why is it necessary to start a war with Iran in order to dump Israel?

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  218. @Talha

    My point, exactly. Israeli jews didn’t come from the US, with the exception of a relative handful of American born jews who have relocated. it’s foolish to say that they should be allowed to come here if their attempt at world domination fails.

    I can’t agree with Colin that Americans are at fault and owe recompense for Israel’s crimes.

    • 同意: Desert Fox
    • 回复: @Talha
  219. Talha 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    Agreed, if Israel is dissolved, they should be allowed to either remain or granted access back to their ancestral lands throughout the Muslim world. We’ll keep the European imports as well and figure out some quid pro quo – we’re not going to have another situation where we send them all back and then Europe goes on its periodic let’s-boot-out-the-Jews fests and then we got to deal with this bakwas all over again.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  220. @AaronB

    /I’m embarrassed./

    No need for that. There’s both truth and falsehood in there, but I personally prefer going straight to The Qur’an, which is usually clear enough as it is.

    Islam certainly permits Muslims to make treaties. Some reasonably question the extent to which those treaties may be made, and they have valid points, though it’s worth remembering that Umar, who endured great tribulation at the hands of Jewish tribes, nevertheless made possible the peaceful restoration of Jews to Jerusalem.

    The early generation made a concerted effort to understand their subject population and administrate them equitably in accordance with that understanding. As Talha earlier mentioned, corruption set in within a generation and we’ve seen nothing but terminal collapse since.

    But it’s not as though the Arabs didn’t see it coming. They knew, just as did Jews, that Islam would not be theirs for long, though, just as Jews, they did their best to “keep it in the family,” which is why so many non-Arabs still think they need an Arab or one of their similitude to understand Islam when, in fact, they don’t. Yes, God chose Arabic and our Prophet sallALLAHU ‘alaihi wa sallam, but Islam at its core remains a matter of conduct, and in this, anyone can be Muslim, because prayer at its core is a pleading of the heart, one that cannot be divorced from the soul.

    May our prayer, as such, be wise, a humble entreaty for what is both certainly good and everlasting.

    阿缅

  221. @FB

    /but the SC never adopted the plan … In later UNSC resolutions Israel’s pre 1967 borders are affirmed…/

    And since it occurred without due process, that affirmation is 越权.

    But I’ll leave you to imagine otherwise.

    谢谢。

    • 回复: @FB
  222. @Twodees Partain

    ‘Why is it necessary to start a war with Iran in order to dump Israel?’

    It’s necessary because the scales need to fall from our eyes — or be knocked from them.

    A catastrophic war with Iran should have that effect.

    Mind, so would a 六十分钟 segment — but we’re not going to get that, so we’ll just have to do this the hard way.

    • 同意: Iris
  223. @AaronB

    ‘The Soviet Union recognized Israel first, and America only a few days later.

    Oh — but who got the Partition Declaration passed?

    …but you know perfectly well that’s the point. You’re just evading it.

    ‘America placed an arms embargo on Israel during the 48 war, and actually stopped Jewish purchased arms shipments.’

    See below. You’ll pardon me if I don’t follow this one up.

    As I showed above, American arms only began reaching Israel in the early 60s under Kennedy, who ended the embargo – and only in substantial quantities and for the purpose of maintaining a quantitative edge after the 67 war.’

    We just showed the Israelis had already received more than a hundred modern tanks from the US. When I looked further, I found a reference to Israel deploying six battalions of US artillery for just one battle in 1967.

    You were lying, and now you’re still lying.

  224. @FB

    ‘Look you can use google right?…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

    The actual document…

    And I go, and…

    Lookit that! No reference to what Israel’s legal boundaries might be (probably not at all inadvertently).

    Just the demand that she withdraw from the further territories she just seized.

    It seems to me that the only set of legal boundaries Israel has are still those laid out in the 1947 UN Partition Declaration. At any rate, you’ve yet to produce anything superseding those.

    • 回复: @FB
  225. @Talha

    ‘Agreed, if Israel is dissolved, they should be allowed to either remain or granted access back to their ancestral lands throughout the Muslim world. ‘

    There are many potentially just and reasonably equitable solutions. Israel, for example, could become an actual egalitarian democracy, with the franchise extended to all those under her rule, regardless of religion, and equal opportunities for promotion within the military and police, cabinet rank, the judiciary. A confession-blind immigration policy, etc. You know — like a modern Western state.

    …or it could just be disbanded.

    …or it could even withdraw to its legal boundaries. After all, legally, that is supposed to be a Jewish state — with equal rights and security of property for the non-Jews within it, of course.

    Lots of possibilities — just not the mini-Nazi wet dream that’s currently in place.

  226. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @AnonStarter

    And since it occurred without due process…

    Obviously you are profoundly fucking retarded…what part of the legal authority of UNSC resolutions do you not understand…?

    A UNSC resolution IS due process…in fact it is the supreme authority of international law…I have provided several relevant links…but you prefer to shoot diarrhea BEFORE actually informing your silly ass…

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  227. @AaronB

    ‘Scratch that I did some research on Wills it seems he is a virtue signaller in the style of Karen Armstrong and the Perennial Tradition, and not a reliable source.’

    Nothing quite like reading the Quran to know what’s in the Quran.

    It perpetually disgusts me how few people do that. It’s not hard to obtain. It’s not particularly obscure. It’s not particularly long.

  228. @AaronB

    ‘To change the subject for a moment, if you will allow me –

    I was just in the Barnes and Nobles on Union Square and began leafing through a book on the Quaran by Garry Wills…’

    And here I was thinking you lived in Israel.

    You’re not another one of those Zionists who isn’t about to move to Zion himself, are you?

  229. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Colin Wright

    Well you can imagine what you wish…it’s clear I’m dealing with a nitwit here…

    The 1947 UN partition plan was never adopted by the UNSC…so it means diddly…

    The UNSC resolution 242 does not need to explicitly spell out borders…it demands withdrawal back to the 1949 borders…until that resolution came along the question of borders could have remained an open subject…but since 242 says to get back to 1949 borders…that is implicit in the territory that constitutes LEGAL Israel…in the eyes of the UNSC…

    • 巨魔: Colin Wright
  230. @Talha

    ‘…My guess; if they really want to win a war against Israel, they are going to have to borrow a command/control structure manned by someone else and be just be willing to do the fighting. Again, they have time for this since containment as been achieved for the foreseeable future.’

    How many wars did the African National Congress win against South Africa? How many battles did the Algerian FLN win against France? In Viet Nam, the largest US unit ever overrun was a company.

    This struggle won’t be won militarily. In fact, I kind of like watching Israel keep dumping more and more money and resources into more and more advanced weapons in an attempt to assuage her gnawing sense of insecurity.

    That sense of insecurity comes from a consciousness of her own deficiencies as a nation and the immorality of her position. No number of F-35’s will address that. Indeed, all those arms merely serve as symbols of US support for Israel. We could ship her state-of-the-art toasters and all she would have to do would be to pretend. The effect would be the same.

  231. @Talha

    ‘…Again, they have time for this since containment as been achieved for the foreseeable future.’

    That strikes me as a tad optimistic. Iraq? Syria? Iran? Not to mention Israel getting her hooks into Egypt and Saudi Arabia. She’s always trying to work up the nerve to go after Lebanon again as well.

    I don’t think Israel’s contained at all. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if she starts lashing out more as her fundamental situation continues to deteriorate. She’ll need the US to prove she truly loves her, if nothing else. Show her you really care…say it with dead Americans.

    …if that place was an individual, we could get it institutionalized.

    • 回复: @Talha
  232. @Talha

    ‘‘…My guess; if they really want to win a war against Israel, they are going to have to borrow a command/control structure manned by someone else and be just be willing to do the fighting. Again, they have time for this since containment as been achieved for the foreseeable future.’’

    Another objection to this is you don’t win a war by fighting it on your enemy’s terms. If I’m going to fight the reigning Golden Gloves champion, maybe I’ll pick something other than boxing.

    Israel obsessively keeps building the largest, most formidably armed conventional force possible: state of the art battle tanks, the latest US fighters, anti-missile systems. Moreover, she’s got the whole US Military-Industrial complex slaved to her needs. …and don’t even think about the electronics.

    …so it’s foolish to start trying to win the war she wants to fight. Go where she isn’t, not where she is.

    Viet Nam didn’t beat the US by fighting America’s war. The Arabs won’t beat Israel by fighting her war.

    • 同意: Talha
  233. @FB

    Well, it’s quite possible I don’t understand something, but your lack of basic civility isn’t very persuasive, even if you’re in the right.

    In your correspondence with Colin, you imply that the ’49 Armistice Agreement established borders:

    The UNSC resolution 242 does not need to explicitly spell out borders…it demands withdrawal back to the 1949 borders…

    First, there is no mention of 1949 borders in the text of the resolution. But, 争论, let’s take your word at face value.

    Now the question is, what part of the ’49 AA transforms the armistice demarcation line into a political or territorial boundary?

    And, if it isn’t too much trouble, try keeping it clean this time. Otherwise, we’re done.

    • 回复: @FB
  234. @Talha

    ‘When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the nascent Arabs were left on their own and without centuries of collective experience of fighting large scale battles against very formidable and modern foes.

    And man, did they crash and burn by that trial by fire.’

    Just to be inconsistent with my previous posts, it’s worth pointing out that the best fighting force in 1948 wasn’t actually the Haganah, but Jordan’s Arab Legion.

    It had been recently expanded, but the core was a British-officered force that had been in existence for twenty years or so.

    …and it did very well. In fact, Israel may have only been saved by the fact that the Arab Legion did depend on Britain for artillery ammunition, and Britain embargoed any resupply of 25 pounder shells.

    • 回复: @Talha
  235. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    I meant militarily contained int the sense that I don’t see another invasion like what they did in Lebanon in the 80’s.

    But to me, that means actually that the US is not contained and that Israel uses the US to do the smashing for her – she doesn’t seem capable of doing it herself anymore like before (again, see Lebanon 2006).

    和平:

  236. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @AnonStarter

    No you didn’t read my comment…I never said nor implied the 1949 armistice constituted some kind of official border…but after UNSC 242 which IMPLICITLY did recognize that demarcation…that’s when it DID became legal…

    Look you people need to educate yourselves…the recognition of Israel’s pre 1967 border is no secret…this is becoming very tedious…

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  237. Iris 说:

    More on AngloZionist “invincibility” in the Middle-East which explains why nobody bothers attending Kushner’s conference:

    “IRGC Releases Footage Refuting Trump’s Claims about Downing Iranian Drone – Video”


    https://english.almanar.com.lb/786469

  238. Talha 说:
    @Colin Wright

    a British-officered force

    你走了。

    和平:

  239. @FB

    那好吧。

    Well, even if 242 implicitly recognized demarcation, I don’t see how such recognition transforms the armistice line into a border. We’ll probably have to agree to disagree on this one.

    But I thank you for honoring my request. Much appreciated.

  240. Though the author makes some very salient points in his piece, he also made a very glaring error in his analysis by failing to look at the very map he used to headline his article.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that “Resistance is futile”, as the famed deep-space Borg Collective would often inform the peoples of its next point of absorption…

    Militarily, to resist, even a greater foe, one must have some level of substantial, alternative options that can be effectively deployed against the aggressor. The Palestinians have absolutely none.

    Though the pathetic Kushner Plan is also not in any way a viable option for the Palestinians to accept, the author’s contentions as to how they could continue to resist their Israeli Overlords is based on assumptions that he presents little credible evidence in support of. The author’s contentions and recommendations are merely based on his own analysis of the situation and the subsequent conjecture that can be applied to it.

    For the Palestinians to win, they must do something that would change their own battlefield as standard military, tactical axioms would suggest. This would mean to initiate a plan that would do the unthinkable; offer the Israeli government the opportunity to work with the Palestinians to relocate them to a regional nation that would allow them to enter, find gainful employment, decent health care, and a much needed respite from the horrendous lives they have been up to this point forced to endure.

    What will happen to Israel under such a plan? Eventually it will increase the speed at which Israeli society will simply implode into itself.

    Lets look at why…

    On the one hand, Israeli society is becoming more totalitarian in a religious way as the Orthodoxy in that country are increasingly gaining political influence. Such Orthodox influence in government, historically will also increasingly make Israel an irrational nation, which it is already but even more so as such influence comes to manipulate critical decision making for the future of that country.

    On another level, we have the settler\colonizers who are the forefront of the operations to resettle annexed and occupied territories. These people make the Orthodox groups look almost sane by comparison as the settlers are all messianic to a person.

    As a result, you have two very strong groups in Israel that are both categorically nuts.

    Many well educated Israelis have already left the country or are in the process of doing so. This has and will cause a serious “brain drain” on Israeli society and is one of the primary factors in the extreme political nature of the country that has come about in the last decade. This aspect of Israeli society has already been well documented over the years.

    Politically and to a certain extent financially, the United States is a sinking ship. Unlike the Titanic of years gone by, the US has yet to its iceberg but it is definitely in the path of the US ship of state.

    At lower levels of the US political infrastructure you have many people who are slowly turning against Israel and the pandering to Israel many of its loony politicians force down everyone’s throats through the mass media. Over time this growing reticence to accept such homage to this tiny state will most likely grow into a policy to abort such handouts.

    Sociologically, the American Jewish Community is in decline as increasingly many marry out of the faith while the younger members of this community are increasingly losing interest in Israel itself and its constant promotions of their Holocaust.

    What I am trying to demonstrate with the previous points (and there are others that can be added), is that time is on the side of the Palestinians who need to have the courage and the fortitude to wait out the current deprivations of the Israeli state.

    They must institute a viable and orderly retreat instead of attempting to go on the offensive or skirmish with the current forces that the Israeli state can bring to bear.

    The Zionists believe they have the entire world eating out of their hands. Well, they are wrong and there are symptoms everywhere that demonstrate the falseness of such a notion. Then again Zionists may be highly organized and well financed, but they are also at increasing odds with the way the world is changing.

    Now let us assume that Iran opens its doors to the Palestinians, which would be the best option for them now, this does something for them that they could never hope to attain in their present circumstances; they will be aligned with a growing world power center who has no use or need for Israel.

    Though many have seen some of President Putin’s political moves in regards to what appear to be favoring Israel, there is just as much documentation demonstrating that such moves are merely to placate this troublesome nation until US weakness becomes so apparent that something more forthright can be done with it.

    Anyone who has followed President Putin’s long history as a Russian head of state could see that he is a highly practical and honorable man who would not be interested in making any type of alliance with Israel let alone put Russia into the same situation with Israel that US disreputable politicians have voluntarily done over the decades. And I am sure that he well understands how Israeli operatives in the US have been able to compromise the many levels of the US political infrastructure.

    With a Palestinian relocation to Iran or some other nation willing to take them in and give them a dignified life, Israel will lose the one thing it needs to most to now survive; someone to beat up and lord it over. Israel has become so used to occupying and depriving the Palestinians of what are rightfully theirs under international norms that there is good chance that Israeli society would have no idea how to proceed once peace is brought to their immediate environs. After 70 years, Israeli sociology has changed to a point where it relies on the Palestinians to make them feel superior as their Talmud has encouraged them to feel.

    True, Israel will continue to exist for some time after a Palestinian relocation but as the world becomes increasingly aware of what had happened over so many years, it is doubtful in the long term that this pathetic excuse for a nation will be able to survive without making its own reparations to the world. However, by then who knows if anything but the craziest of Jewish Sects will even exist by then. None of them offer anything to society no matter where they may reside. Such sects often experience high levels of unemployment and near poverty and this is true even for these sects in Israel. Even now there is still an uproar over a bill that would require their younger members to serve in the IDF.

    The Palestinians need to move on to get their lives back, revitalize their sociology, culture, and health, not spend the rest of eternity fighting for what they cannot currently win…

    Nothing lasts forever and neither will Israel. At some point in the future the Palestinians will be able to return to their homeland and reclaim what they have lost. But the time is not now…

    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
  241. Iris 说:

    Nothing lasts forever and neither will Israel. At some point in the future the Palestinians will be able to return to their homeland and reclaim what they have lost. But the time is not now…

    Thanks for your very interesting comment.

    In his last interview to Al Manar news outlet, Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah voiced confidence that the resistance will deal Israel a terrible defeat in the future war, voicing big hopes that he will be among those who will pray in Jerusalem during their lifetime.

    https://english.almanar.com.lb/781783

    • 回复: @Steve Naidamast
  242. @Iris

    鸢尾花…

    Thank you for your note. Please know that I want very much to see the Palestinians receive their long deserved justice. However, my concept is to save the people as the land will always be there to be reclaimed.

    I found this comment very interesting from Sayyed Nasrallah in the interview you posted the link to…

    “In this regard, Sayyed Nasrallah noted that no Arab state can bear the repercussions of the ‘deal of the century since the deal means the explicit abandoning of the nation’s holy sites.”

    I don’t believe the article here mentions such a serious point of contention.

    I have been following the Hezbollah military build-up for quite some time along with other military developments in the region and Sayyed Nasrallah is correct to state that the IDF land forces are very much in decline. This was explained by a former US Army sergeant that did liaison work in Israel during one of his assignments and found the Israeli Army quite amateurish. he said that this was highlighted by the fact that it has no career NCOs, which are the backbone of knowledge and skills in any army. As a result, he found that most of the soldiers, who are just citizen soldiers to be lacking in many standard soldiering skills…

    • 回复: @Iris
  243. @anonymous

    I saw that interview with Judy Woodruff and in all fairness to Ms. Woodruff, I could see the discomfort in her mannerisms as a result of having to interview such a cretin.

    From the look of it, I don’t think she wanted to do this interview already knowing how she had to handle it but working for NPR she is under certain restrictions as to what she can do in such situations…

  244. @Miggle

    /Islam cannot tolerate separation of Church and State, or freedom of religion, because it must be the hegemon./

    I can understand why some have been led to believe this, and, as a Muslim myself, I will be the first to say that we are our own worst enemies. This, however, is easy to acknowledge in that we know 每周 man to be his own worst enemy.

    The Qur’an, in its entirety, is — to paraphrase Colin Wright — a relatively short read. There are certain to be passages that are obscure. God Himself tells us up front that we needn’t pursue allegories unclear to us. The rest is clear. Problem solved.

    In The Qur’an, God doesn’t say anything about separation of Church and State, though it does say “No compulsion in religion,” and prior to the arrival of The Prophet in Medina, there was nothing in the world akin to his federation of disparate religious and tribal communities, all of whom were entitled to freedom of worship and adjudication of their affairs according to the laws of their sacred tradition. The Constitution of Medina is also an authentic primary source of ours, one which provides details confirming the foundation of the world’s first constitutional federal republic.

    For its time, it was unprecedented, and don’t imagine that neighboring polities and their subjects didn’t get the news of it. Some of them were part of religious orders whose predecessor patriarchs had been waiting for it for generations. In any event, we Muslims don’t distinguish between religion and worship because to do so would be to entertain a false dilemma. Your religion is no more than 形成一种 you worship, and worship is about you 生活. A Muslim attains true mastery when his life 成为 no more than a prayer to God.

    And Islam does fairly well in America, where it is most certainly 不能 “the hegemon.” Oh, sure … there are some Genghis Khan wannabes who, as you read, ruminate about raising the flag of the Caliphate over the White House, though you can rest assured that just about every Islamic center on the map has at least one agent gathering intelligence on the ground and elsewhere. Many times imams and shuyukh themselves willingly establish a working relationship with law enforcement agencies. There’s a lot more correspondence than the average American is aware of.

    Muslim Americans have to put up with as much bigotry as the average person bearing a skin tone half a shade darker than alabaster, if even this much. It’s only when they walk the walk, presenting themselves with 库法体,胡须和 Jalabiya, or full niqab, that you can kiss any skin privilege goodbye. Then you’re a 真实的 terrorist, no matter how pacific you may be.

    But the alphabet folk know better, which is why we don’t really mind. Heck, they’re welcome to learn if they want.

    Might as well get 东西 useful out of us.

    • 回复: @Miggle
  245. Iris 说:
    @Steve Naidamast

    Sayyed Nasrallah is correct to state that the IDF land forces are very much in decline.

    Very correct. The Lebanese increasing military superiority and Israeli unpreparedness have been often mentioned in Israeli media over the past months, and reported accordingly in Arab media.

    In MSM epitome “The Economist”:

    Why some Israeli generals believe their army is not prepared for war

    The military skills of the country’s ground forces have eroded over time.

    https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/09/28/why-some-israeli-generals-believe-their-army-is-not-prepared-for-war

    • 回复: @Steve Naidamast
  246. @Iris

    鸢尾花…

    Thank you for the link you provided regarding the IDF’s ground forces preparedness.

    There are a number of reports I have read that basically all say the same thing; the average ground force Israeli grunt is lacking in expertise and hardened combat experience to face off against such a force as Hezbollah, which in military terms would be considered an irregular militia, though highly trained.

    I believe I read somewhere that members of Hezbollah are now working with the Lebanese Army to upgrade their effectiveness as well.

    • 回复: @Iris
  247. Iris 说:
    @renfro

    …..the fat lady hasn’t sung on Palestine yet.

    North-African country Algeria have just won the football African Cup of Nations in Cairo.

    This is their winning football team parading on a bus after their victory; the only flag the players are waving is the Palestinian flag.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  248. Iris 说:
    @Steve Naidamast

    I believe I read somewhere that members of Hezbollah are now working with the Lebanese Army to upgrade their effectiveness as well.

    The alliances within the Lebanese religious factions can seem very surprising to a Westerner’s eye: Shia Hezbollah’s closest and indefectible ally is the respected lead of the Christian minority, General Michel Aoun.

    On the contrary, Hezbollah has long-lasting feuds with its Saudi-backed Sunni Muslim counterpart, made worse by the murder of PM Hariri, as well as an open conflict with the Druze faction and its leader Jumblatt, despite Druzes being an offspring of the Shia scission.

    From what I read, Hezbollah is actually much more powerful than the Lebanese army, and is working together with the Syrians, the Iranians, the Russians, and even the Chinese in the background, keen to develop their OBOR initiative.

    Re-conquest of the ME is a strategic goal for all these players. I can’t see how demented, warmongering Israel can survive as a country, short of provoking a regional war.

  249. Walt 说:

    Jews should leave Israel and move to countries they came from : Russia/Ukraine/Poland /Germany/etc. Why the hell does anyone want to liv in a desert? 6,000,000 Israeli Jews can easily be assimalated. Just put a stone wall around Jerusalem and go vivit the place when the weather is nice.

  250. anonymous[251]• 免责声明 说:

    是的,这是真的。

    This would be very, very bad to me if I was a Palestinian Arab (Arab Christian or just some Christian trying to make a life in Jerusalem the city of Jesus Christ).

    But, one can make similar maps of places that were once solidly part of the White Western Civilization world – French Algeria, Constantinople, Detroit MI in 2010. Lots of Jewish people living in Arab countries before 1947, lots of Jews in Iran/Persia, now they go back and forth between Beverly Hills CA and Israel – Iranian/Persian Jews are really repulsive.

    One can make similar horrible charts and photos about the changes of the student bodies of American Ivy League colleges.

    It’s long since time that we started rooting for our own team, started noticing extremely bad things (and also good changes in places like Central and Eastern Europe, Russia) happening to our people.

    Kindness means being kind first to your/our own kind.

    Zionist Jews are going to do what they are going to do, they do not care about UN resolutions or some article on the Unz Review, the American Conservative.

    Let’s try to contain, reverse some of the worst things this J tribe has done and is now doing in what was once my/our country – let’s do something about *#&$@ William Kristol, Harvey Weinstein, Sheldon Adelson, CNN’s Jeff Zucker, the SPLC, Chicago’s David Axelrod looking to make another mixed race Lib Leftist pro Israel guy the next US President – looks like that is Corrie Booker.

  251. anonymous[251]• 免责声明 说:
    @Iris

    This nasty Palestinian/Arab homeland will soon be large chunks of France, Germany and Sweden.

    Israeli Jews, American Jews and strangely Saudi Arabia Sunni Islamist monarchists are all on the same side promoting the mass invasion of White Western Europe with low IQ, unskilled Arab males aged 19-40.

    Please study your history.

    Jews were expelled in 1492 from Spain or forced to convert to Catholic Christians under the Inquisition tortures for taking the Arab Muslim side against Whites in Spain. Jews were hated for so many things like selling White girls in to Harems, sexual slavery for Arab Muslim buyers. Jews have traditionally dominated White slavery, forced prostitution and now the hard core porn industry, though some of the nastier Muslims like Pakistani Muslims in Rotherham England are giving them competition in this terrible business.

  252. @Steve Naidamast

    In this context, surviving IS winning. The War Nerd says the Palestinians will win because they can endure vastly more suffering. The moment Israeli Jews see they are going to face a modest fraction of what the Palestinians have been suffering, they will head for Europe, Canada, USA, Australia, etc. Most already have second passports.

    • 回复: @Talha
  253. Talha 说:
    @Kevin Barrett

    War Nerd is awesome. I wish he had a column at UNZ.

    瓦萨拉姆。

  254. APilgrim 说:

    There is no such creature as a Palestinian, with a ‘Historic-Claim’, to anything.

    The ‘Holy Lands’ were Empty & Open in 1867, as chronicled in ‘The Innocents Abroad’. The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrims’ Progress is a travel book by American author Mark Twain (AKA Samuel Langhorne Clemens 1835 – 1910) published in 1869 which humorously chronicles what Twain called his “Great Pleasure Excursion” on board the chartered vessel Quaker City (formerly USS Quaker City) through Europe and the Holy Land with a group of American travelers in 1867. It was the best-selling of Twain’s works during his lifetime, as well as one of the best-selling travel books of all time.

    On the other hand, there are Kurds & Armenians, who should have homelands carved from Turkey, Iran, Syria & Iraq.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  255. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    The ‘Holy Lands’ were Empty & Open in 1867

    Excellent! Seems Jews from Europe have about as little historic claim to anything there as well.

    和平:

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  256. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no possession over the property. Even if a person is the rightful owner of the property but has no possession over it, the person who is in possession will be in a better position should the property ever be subject to challenge. This is especially true with adverse possession. However mere possession alone does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner.

    This adage “possession is nine tenths of the law” is not a law but a logical rule of force that has been recognized across ages.

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Talha
  257. Iris 说:
    @APilgrim

    List of the 418 Palestinian century-old towns and villages destroyed during the 1948 genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people by the supremacist Zionists:

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  258. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    I have no problem with this. When we come back into possession of the land, the law will be nine-tenths on our side.

    What’s fair is fair – as I’ve said, we’ve been doing this over that land for a very long time, nothing new to us. This is simply the aftermath of the disunity of the Muslims that led to the fall of the Ottoman control of the land in that area. When we get whipped back into shape about our unity, we’ll be able to do something substantial.

    Until then, we have some house cleaning to do…and patience and prayer.

    和平:

  259. APilgrim 说:
    @Iris

    Muhammadan Palestinians are, in the main, as scummy as ISIS (Daesh), IMHPO.

    They are dirty, dangerous, stupid, terrorists. Again IMHPO.

    So I don’t care what the YIDS (Ashkenazim) do to them.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Iris
  260. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    They are dirty, dangerous, stupid, terrorists.

    其次是…

    So I don’t care what the YIDS (Ashkenazim) do to them.

    No, sir – you most certainly do care what the Zionists do to them, you’re simply not being up front about it.

    But it’s OK – you’ve given us enough information to connect the dots.

    和平:

    • 回复: @RobinG
    , @APilgrim
  261. RobinG 说:
    @Talha

    Did you watch this press conference? Starting at 22 min., all on Pakistan/Afghan./Kashmir …. This is another world. Trump is so-o-o-o going to win in 2020, don’t you think?

    WATCH: Trump meets with Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan

    • 回复: @Talha
  262. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    Muhammadans are, IMHPO, a virulent & invasive sub-species.

    Muhammadans are somewhat like: Ebola, Kudzu, & Fire Ants. (Again IMHPO!)

    None of the above have ever served any useful or redeeming purpose. (Also IMHPO.)

    • 回复: @Talha
  263. APilgrim 说:
    @Iris

    Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton & John McCain momentarily invigorated Daesh into: IS, and then ISIS. ISIS then briefly morphed into ISIL, with the thefts of: the Libyan Strategic Gold Supply and the O&G supplies of Kurdistan.

    Syrian President Bashar Hafez al-Assad, Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and USA President Donald John Trump joined forces to exterminate ISIL. This was a welcome result on the world scene which has somewhat corrected the failure of the Late Syrian President Hafez al-Assad to exterminate Daesh.

    The world is now a MUCH better place, IMHPO.

  264. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    Muhammadans are, IMHPO, a virulent & invasive sub-species…None of the above have ever served any useful or redeeming purpose.

    Sure; all of which explains your positions with regard to Israel and her policies.

    Much thanks for the further clarifications. It’s very instructive to know the kinds of people that are Israeli fanbois.

    和平:

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  265. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    Perhaps ‘Talha’ can highlight some RECENT Muhammadan ADVANCES in: Science, Literature, Art, Music, Philosophy, Mathematics, Computers, … anything …

    Start with May 14, 1948.

    • 回复: @Talha
  266. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    Perhaps ‘Talha’ can highlight some RECENT Muhammadan ADVANCES

    Why would I need to? Why should Muslims care about justifying our existence to you based on the terms you define?

    Look, I get you want is eliminated – fine, I have zero problems with this…get in line.

    Now if you actually want to do something about it, I suggest you grab a rifle and get to a Muslim land where you’ll have a target rich environment. Just don’t be a neocon wuss-pansy about it and send others or their sons; that’s just not respectable.

    和平:

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  267. Talha 说:
    @RobinG

    Yeah – I think if he can negotiate an end and withdrawal, he will win in 2020. Also because the Democrats are acting like stupid children.

    I really hope the US and Pakistan can end this nonsense in Afghanistan and get back to normalized relations. This will also help curb the chances of war against Iran, Pakistan has zero interest in another destabilized border.

    Man, it was good to see my childhood cricket hero sitting in that position. It was even better to see that he dressed for the meeting in traditional Pakistani garb – I cannot tell you how long I have been waiting for Pakistani leadership to have a sense of cultural self-respect and ditch the Italian suits in their meetings with foreign nations.

    He looks very dapper in a classic formal sherwani:

    和平:

  268. @APilgrim

    /The ‘Holy Lands’ were Empty & Open in 1867, as chronicled in ‘The Innocents Abroad’./

    You appear to be unfamiliar with the works of Mr. Samuel Clemens — a.k.a. Mark Twain.

    Twain was a satirist, and if any should imagine “The Innocents Abroad” constituted a travelogue providing a contemporaneously objective view of Palestine, he’s either Netanyahu or someone of like mind.

    https://hyperallergic.com/400528/how-a-mark-twain-travel-book-turned-palestine-into-a-desert/

    From Twain’s essay “Concerning the Jews,” written in 1898:

    Concerning the Jews, the Jewish race [as having an] unpatriotic disinclination to stand by the flag as a soldier . . . If the concentration of the cunningest brains in the world was going made in a free country . . . . , I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let that race find out its strength.

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  269. APilgrim 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Roughly 45 years ago, I read every available work of Mark Twain (AKA SLC). From Twain’s essay ‘Concerning the Jews’, https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1898twain-jews.asp

    In the present paper I shall allow myself to use the word Jew as if it stood for both religion and race. It is handy; and, besides, that is what the term means to the general world. In the above letter one notes these points:

    1. 犹太人是一个行为良好的公民。
    2. 仅靠无知和狂热就能解释他受到的不公正待遇吗?
    3. 犹太人能做些什么来改善这种情况吗?
    4、犹太人没有政党;他们是非参与者。
    5、迫害会结束吗?
    6. 黄金法则现在怎么样了?

    Twain’s characterization of Muhammadans was less favorable.

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    , @AnonStarter
  270. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    Modern Muhammadans have contributed virtually nothing to: Medicine, Pharmacology, Chemistry, Engineering, Humanities, Government, Space Exploration, … or any other field of endeavor. IMHPO.

    • 回复: @Talha
  271. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    Irrelevant – neither have Aborigines in Australia.

    If the projections are correct, Muslims will number about 1/3 of the world’s population within my lifetime.

    What incentive does 1/3 of the world’s population have in justifying its existence to the other 2/3? If you want to eliminate us, I already outlined your options…again, just don’t act like a pansy neocon.

    和平:

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @APilgrim
  272. @Talha

    As-salaamu'alaikum。

    Funny how American universities don’t seem to share ApePilgrim’s perspective of Muslims, since they’ve been consistently recruited to STEM-related programs and met with remarkable success there for generations.

    I knew a mechanical engineering brother who, having earned his PhD in America, turned down a starting six-figure salary upon observing the jinn-ridden landscape with which he’d have to contend. Last I heard, he had two secretaries working for him back home.

    And he wouldn’t be the first.

    • 回复: @Talha
  273. @APilgrim

    /Roughly 45 years ago, I read every available work of Mark Twain/

    Oh, O.K.

    So then you 知道 that you’re full of it.

    感谢您解决这个问题。

  274. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    Western Civilization has ALL the options, for dealing with Muhammadans.

    Muhammadan average IQ is comparable with Australian Aborigines. (STUPID)

    Candidate Trump proposed a Muslim Ban. Now it is within his power, & should be policy.

    国际卫生组织

    • 回复: @Talha
  275. @APilgrim

    /In the above letter one notes these points:/

    You missed a few. Twain also asserted that

    7. Jews are insatiably greedy.

    “There was no way to successfully compete with [the Jew] in any vocation, the law had to step in and save the Christian from the poorhouse. . . . Even the seats of learning . . . had to be closed against this tremendous antagonist. [The Jew] has made it the end and aim of his life to get [money].”

    8. Zionism is an awful ideology.
    9. Jews are scoundrels and crooks.

    “All they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.”

    10. Jews are inherently alien wherever they live.
    11. Jews deserve the bigotry they receive.

    “就他的身份和方式而言,[犹太人]无论身在何处基本上都是外国人,甚至天使也不喜欢外国人。 我在德语中使用这个词外国人 - 陌生人。 . . . 无论您身在何处,您(犹太人)在方式、习惯和偏好上都将永远是陌生人——外国人,这可能会使对您的种族偏见继续存在。”

    Just rounding out the picture. Historical accuracy and all.

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    , @APilgrim
  276. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    Western Civilization has ALL the options, for dealing with Muhammadans.

    Yes, yes – push-button-full-spectrum-nerd-warfare. Eventually robots will be doing everything.

    Good thing is that people like you aren’t allowed anywhere near the levers of power in Western civilization.

    (STUPID)

    Well yeah, that’s what you’ve been saying in various permutations since the beginning. But maybe you can say it again to let us really know how you feel.

    川普酒店

    You mean the dude who did the “sword dance” holding hands with a bunch of Saudis?

    和平:

  277. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Wow – that’s almost the exact opposite of what homeboy here was asserting.

    Don’t worry, I’m sure he will come back with quotes from Twain about how Jews are the stuff and need to take over the Holy Land which is empty and make it into an oasis with their unique awesomeness.

    瓦萨拉姆。

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  278. AaronB 说:

    Mark Twain’s essay “Concerning the Jews” is one of the most philo-Semitic paeans ever written. Even I find it slightly embarrassing.

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    We must grant proposition No. 1 for several sufficient reasons. The Jew is not a disturber of the peace of any country. Even his enemies will concede that. He is not a loafer, he is not a sot, he is not noisy, he is not a brawler nor a rioter, he is not quarrelsome. In the statistics of crime his presence is conspicuously rare—in all countries. With murder and other crimes of violence he has but little to do: he is a stranger to the hangman. In the police court’s daily long roll of “assaults” and “drunk and disorderlies” his name seldom appears.

    犹太人的家是真正意义上的家,这是无可争议的事实。家庭是由最强烈的感情编织在一起的;其成员相互​​尊重;尊敬长辈是家族不可侵犯的法则。犹太人不是国家或城市慈善事业的负担;这些可以停止其职能而不影响他。

    When he is well enough, he works; when he is incapacitated, his own people take care of him. And not in a poor and stingy way, but with a fine and large benevolence. His race is entitled to be called the most benevolent of all the races of men. A Jewish beggar is not impossible, perhaps; such a thing may exist, but there are few men that can say they have seen that spectacle. The Jew has been staged in many uncomplimentary forms, but, so far as I know, no dramatist has done him the injustice to stage him as a beggar. Whenever a Jew has real need to beg, his people save him from the necessity of doing it. The charitable institutions of the Jews are supported by Jewish money, and amply. The Jews make no noise about it; it is done quietly; they do not nag and pester and harass us for contributions; they give us peace, and set us an example—an example which we have not found ourselves able to follow; for by nature we are not free givers, and have to be patiently and persistently hunted down in the interest of the unfortunate.

    These facts are all on the credit side of the proposition that the Jew is a good and orderly citizen. Summed up, they certify that he is quiet, peaceable, industrious, unaddicted to high crimes and brutal dispositions; that his family life is commendable; that he is not a burden upon public charities; that he is not a beggar; that in benevolence he is above the reach of competition. These are the very quint-essentials of good citizenship. If you can add that he is as honest as the average of his neighbors—But I think that question is affirmatively answered by the fact that he is a successful business man.

    商业成功的基础是诚实;如果各方不能相互信任,企业就无法蓬勃发展。就人口数量而言,犹太人在纽约人口众多的情况下微不足道。但他的诚实很重要,因为百老汇的巨大批发商行,从炮台到联合广场,基本上都掌握在他的手中。我认为,历史上交易者对其同伴的信任最生动的例子是,不是基督徒信任基督徒,而是基督徒信任犹太人。

    That Hessian Duke who used to sell his subjects to George III. to fight George Washington with got rich at it; and by-and-by, when the wars engendered by the French Revolution made his throne too warm for him, he was obliged to fly the country. He was in a hurry, and had to leave his earnings behind—$9,000,000. He had to risk the money with some one without security. He did not select a Christian, but a Jew—a Jew of only modest means, but of high character; a character so high that it left him lonesome—Rothschild of Frankfort. Thirty years later, when Europe had become quiet and safe again, the Duke came back from overseas, and the Jew returned the loan, with interest added.[

    ]

    There is a paragraph about minor forms of cheating Jews have a reputation for, then this.

    He is a frequent and faithful and capable officer in the civil service, but he is charged with an unpatriotic disinclination to stand by the flag as a soldier—like the Christian Quaker. Now if you offset these discreditable features by the creditable ones summarized in a preceding paragraph beginning with the words, “These facts are all on the credit side,” and strike a balance, what must the verdict be? This, I think: that, the merits and demerits being fairly weighed and measured on both sides, the Christian can claim no superiority over the Jew in the matter of good citizenship. Yet in all countries, from the dawn of history, the Jew has been persistently and implacably hated, and with frequency persecuted.

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  279. AaronB 说:

    am persuaded that in Russia, Austria, and Germany nine-tenths of the hostility to the Jew comes from the average Christian’s inability to compete successfully with the average Jew in business—in either straight business or the questionable sort. In Berlin, a few years ago, I read a speech which frankly urged the expulsion of the Jews from Germany; and the agitator’s reason was as frank as his proposition.

    It was this: that eighty-five per cent. of the successful lawyers of Berlin were Jews, and that about the same percentage of the great and lucrative businesses of all sorts in Germany were in the hands of the Jewish race! Isn’t it an amazing confession? It was but another way of saying that in a population of 48,000,000, of whom only 500,000 were registered as Jews, eighty-five per cent. of the brains and honesty of the whole was lodged in the Jews.

    I must insist upon the honesty—it is an essential of successful business, taken by and large. Of course it does not rule out rascals entirely, even among Christians, but it is a good working rule, nevertheless. The speaker’s figures may have been inexact, but the motive of persecution stands out as clear as day. The man claimed that in Berlin the banks, the newspapers, the theatres, the great mercantile, shipping, mining, and manufacturing interests, the big army and city contracts, the tramways, and pretty much all other properties of high value, and also the small businesses, were in the hands of the Jews.

    In estimating worldly values the Jew is not shallow, but deep. With precocious wisdom he found out in the morning of time that some men worship rank, some worship heroes, some worship power, some worship God, and that over these ideals they dispute and cannot unite—but that they all worship money; so he made it the end and aim of his life to get it.

    He was at it in Egypt thirty-six centuries ago; he was at it in Rome when that Christian got persecuted by mistake for him; he has been at it ever since. The cost to him has been heavy; his success has made the whole human race his enemy—but it has paid, for it has brought him envy, and that is the only thing which men will sell both soul and body to get.

    He long ago observed that a millionaire commands respect, a two-millionaire homage, a multi-millionaire the deepest deeps of adoration. We all know that feeling; we have seen it express itself. We have noticed that when the average man mentions the name of a multi-millionaire he does it with that mixture in his voice of awe and reverence and lust which burns in a Frenchman’s eye when it falls on another man’s centime.

    To conclude.—If the statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one per cent. of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of star-dust lost in the blaze of the Milky Way. Properly the Jew ought hardly to be heard of; but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers.

    He has made a marvellous fight in this world, in all the ages; and has done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it. The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed, and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other peoples have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished.

    The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?

  280. AaronB 说:

    Jew as a soldier, amending his earlier remarks

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    When I published the above article in Harper’s Monthly, I was ignorant – like the rest of the Christian world – of the fact that the Jew had a record as a soldier. I have since seen the official statistics, and I find that he furnished soldiers and high officers to the Revolution, the War of 1812, and the Mexican War. In the Civil War he was represented in the armies and navies of both the North and the South by 10 per cent. of his numerical strength – the same percentage that was furnished by the Christian populations of the two sections. This large fact means more than it seems to mean; for it means that the Jew’s patriotism was not merely level with the Christian’s, but overpassed it. When the Christian volunteer arrived in camp he got a welcome and applause, but as a rule the Jew got a snub. His company was not desired, and he was made to feel it. That he nevertheless conquered his wounded pride and sacrificed both that and his blood for his flag raises the average and quality of his patriotism above the Christian’s. His record for capacity, for fidelity, and for gallant soldiership in the field is as good as any one’s. This is true of the Jewish private soldiers and the Jewish generals alike. Major-General O. O. Howard speaks of one of his Jewish staff-officers as being “of the bravest and best”; of another – killed at Chancellorsville – as being “a true friend and a brave officer”; he highly praises two of his Jewish brigadier-generals; finally, he uses these strong words: “Intrinsically there are no more patriotic men to be found in the country than those who claim to be of Hebrew descent, and who served with me in parallel commands or more directly under my instructions.”

    Fourteen Jewish Confederate and Union families contributed, between them, fifty-one soldiers to the war. Among these, a father and three sons; and another, a father and four sons.

    In the above article I was not able to endorse the common reproach that the Jew is willing to feed upon a country but not to fight for it, because I did not know whether it was true or false. I supposed it to be true, but it is not allowable to endorse wandering maxims upon supposition – except when one is trying to make out a case. That slur upon the Jew cannot hold up its head in presence of the figures of the War Department. It has done its work, and done it long and faithfully, and with high approval: it ought to be pensioned off now, and retired from active service.

  281. AaronB 说:

    Mark Twain on Palestine –

    Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Palestine is desolate and unlovely – Palestine is no more of this workday world. It is sacred to poetry and tradition, it is dreamland.”(Chapter 56)[4][5] “There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country”. (Chapter 52)[6] “A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We reached Tabor safely. We never saw a human being on the whole route”. (Chapter 49)[7] “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for thirty miles in either direction. …One may ride ten miles (16 km) hereabouts and not see ten human beings.” …these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness…”(Chapter 46)[8]

    Although to be fair, he describes some places as fertile and prosperous, like Shechem and Jaffa. This is merely his description of the majority of the country.

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  282. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Yup. This was one of my first teachers in Arabic:
    “From 2007 to 2013, Shaykh Omar completed his medical residency in Anatomic and Clinical Pathology and fellowships in Hematopathology and Molecular Genetic Pathology at Washington University in St. Louis. During this time, he was also received formal authorization in the Islamic science of spiritual purification. Shaykh Omar is currently a staff physician at the Moffitt Cancer Center and an Assistant Professor of Oncological Sciences at the University of South Florida in Tampa where he resides.”
    http://pureway.org/shaykh-omar/

    I think the real problem is that we’re too stupid to know we’re stupid…(sigh) we’ll never learn.

    瓦萨拉姆。

  283. AaronB 说:

    I just want to make clear that the moderator, not I, chose which comments of mine to put under “more”, and which to give more emphasis to.

  284. AaronB 说:

    Here is the context, from the same essay, for AnonStarter paragraph about Jews being foreigners. I am putting it after more tag –

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    Will the persecution of the Jews ever come to an end?”

    On the score of religion, I think it has already come to an end. On the score of race prejudice and trade, I have the idea that it will continue. That is, here and there in spots about the world, where a barbarous ignorance and a sort of mere animal civilization prevail; but I do not think that elsewhere the Jew need now stand in any fear of being robbed and raided.

    Among the high civilizations he seems to be very comfortably situated indeed, and to have more than his proportionate share of the prosperities going. It has that look in Vienna. I suppose the race prejudice cannot be removed; but he can stand that; it is no particular matter. By his make and ways he is substantially a foreigner wherever he may be, and even the angels dislike a foreigner. I am using this word foreigner in the German sense—stranger. Nearly all of us have an antipathy to a stranger, even of our own nationality. We pile gripsacks in a vacant seat to keep him from getting it; and a dog goes further, and does as a savage would—challenges him on the spot.

    The German dictionary seems to make no distinction between a stranger and a foreigner; in its view a stranger is a foreigner—a sound position, I think. You will always be by ways and habits and predilections substantially strangers—foreigners—wherever you are, and that will probably keep the race prejudice against you alive. But you were the favorites of Heaven originally, and your manifold and unfair prosperities convince me that you have crowded back into that snug place again.

    Here is an incident that is significant. Last week in Vienna a hailstorm struck the prodigious Central Cemetery and made wasteful destruction there. In the Christian part of it, according to the official figures, 621 window-panes were broken; more than 900 singing-birds were killed; five great trees and many small ones were torn to shreds and the shreds scattered far and wide by the wind; the ornamental plants and other decorations of the graves were ruined, and more than a hundred tomb-lanterns shattered; and it took the cemetery’s whole force of 300 laborers more than three days to clear away the storm’s wreckage. In the report occurs this remark—and in its italics you can hear it grit its Christian teeth “. . . lediglich die israelitische Abtheilung des Friedhofes vom Hagelwetter ganzlich verschont worden war.” Not a hailstone hit the Jewish reservation! Such nepotism makes me tired.

  285. AaronB 说:

    And here is the context for AnonStarters quote about Jews gathering in a state in Palestine –

    Again under more tag –

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    It was a pathetic tale that was told by a poor Jew in Galicia a fortnight ago during the riots, after he had been raided by the Christian peasantry and despoiled of everything he had. He said his vote was of no value to him, and he wished he could be excused from casting it, for, indeed, casting it was a sure damage to him, since no matter which party he voted for, the other party would come straight and take its revenge out of him.

    Nine per cent. of the population of the empire, these Jews, and apparently they cannot put a plank into any candidate’s platform! If you will send our Irish lads over here I think they will organize your race and change the aspect of the Reichsrath.

    You seem to think that the Jews take no hand in politics here, that they are “absolutely non-participants.” I am assured by men competent to speak that this is a very large error, that the Jews are exceedingly active in politics all over the empire, but that they scatter their work and their votes among the numerous parties, and thus lose the advantages to be had by concentration. I think that in America they scatter too, but you know more about that than I do.

    Speaking of concentration, Dr. Herzl has a clear insight into the value of that. Have you heard of his plan? He wishes to gather the Jews of the world together in Palestine, with a government of their own—under the suzerainty of the Sultan, I suppose. At the Convention of Berne, last year, there were delegates from everywhere, and the proposal was received with decided favor.

    I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country (bar Scotland), I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride any more.<

    The last sentence makes clear the irony Twain is utilizing.

  286. Iris 说:
    @AaronB

    Mark Twain’s essay “Concerning the Jews” is one of the most philo-Semitic paeans ever written. Even I find it slightly embarrassing.

    Please don’t feel embarrassed.

    Even though Mark Twain was a great author, and certainly not the only one from America, who gave the genius William Faulkner to the world, us Europeans have an incomparably richer literary tradition, of which most great authors are self-proclaimed “anti-Semites”.

    The shining stars of European literature, Shakespeare, Ronsard, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Goethe, Rousseau, Voltaire, Dickens, Victor Hugo, Celine, all have expressed their disgust of Talmudic Judaism.

    Their thoughts have even been gathered in a French encyclopaedia of “anti-Semitic” quotes made by famous people:
    Le monde contre soi” 和“Anthologie des propos contre les Juifs, le judaïsme et le sionisme“。

    Talmudists are far more “popular ” than Mohammedans, no doubts about that, LOL.

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  287. Talha 说:
    @AaronB

    感谢参考,不胜感激!

    和平:

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    , @AaronB
  288. AaronB 说:
    @Talha

    Actually that essay has one of my favourite lines by Mark Twain, that I have used often in my life.

    I can stand any society. All that I care to know is that a man is a human being—that is enough for me; he can’t be any worse.

    🙂

    • 同意: Talha
  289. AaronB 说:
    @Iris

    Talmudists are far more “popular ” than Mohammedans, no doubts about that, LOL.

    I wasn’t suggesting Jews were more popular, or that Muslims should be unpopular.

    I believe Muslims are unfairly maligned in the West – or at least, the religion is unfairly maligned.

    I am sure Mark Twain would write a similarly interesting article on Islam if he were alive today.

  290. APilgrim 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Mark Twain’s … ‘Concerning the Jews’, https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1898twain-jews.asp

    Contains no sections 7-11.

    However any interested reader is already aware that AnonStarter & Talha are liars & fools.

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @Talha
  291. @AaronB

    Welcome back, Aaron.

    /This is merely his description of the majority of the country./

    Well, Twain didn’t visit “the majority of the country.” He took the traditional route common to western sightseers of the era, and most significantly, he wrote as a satirist, the single most important fact consistently ignored by Zionists. (He speaks of casually cutting a Muslim in half with a sword, for example.) Exaggerated descriptions were a hallmark of his authorship and yet they suddenly become iron-clad “proof” that Palestine was largely unpopulated before European Jews began arriving 集体.

    In the same essay, Twain also uses similar words to describe Greece: “barren,” “bleak,” “unsmiling,” “a symbol of desolation,” and yet he states that its inhabitants number 800,000, which is a contradiction on its face. Apply the same standard to his description of Palestine and we can hardly say it constitutes proof of its “emptiness.”

    In any event, I merely responded to AP’s use of Twain as typical hasbara, which has been thoroughly debunked by other, more reliable historical documentation.

    As for Twain’s glowing paean to the Jewish people, I never denied it, and I appreciate the context provided to 一些 of his statements, though — let’s face it — even those you chose to contextualize would elicit shrill cries of “anti-Semitism!” in today’s world.

    FWIW, the “scoundrels” and “crooks” comment is brutal, even for Twain.

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  292. @APilgrim

    /Contains no sections 7-11./

    Nor did I claim it did.

  293. APilgrim 说:

    匿名者,

    I call bullshit. Show your Mark Twain references for your FANTASY sections 7-11.

    Waiting … (but not holding my breath).

  294. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    我认为这是一个公平的观点。

    Twain certainly was over dramatizing the bleakness of Palestine – writers write for effect. At the same time, there must be some truth there as well. It shouldn’t be taken at face value, I agree, but as an exaggerated picture.

    To be fair, as someone who has been to Greece, I was actually surprised at how desolate and bleak the area around Athens and many of the islands were 🙂

    Istanbul was a haven of cool greenery after hot and deserty Athens.

  295. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    Good old ad hominem!

    骗子

    Muzzie taqiyyah awesomeness – check.

    傻瓜

    Low IQ inbreds – check. Yet another variation on the same theme.

    和平:

  296. @Talha

    As-salaamu'alaikum。

    SubHanALLAH.

    Well, it turns out the “crooks” and “scoundrels” quote isn’t Twain’s after all. Which makes perfect sense, given its inconsistency with the rest of his work.

    You see, Aaron … We’re all just walkin’, talkin’, stinkin’ clay.

    But He still loves our company.

    • 回复: @Talha
  297. APilgrim 说:

    What do Ernest Hemingway, Charles Dickens, and Mark Twain have in common?

    They were all reporters. https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2015/today-in-media-history-in-1863-a-reporter-named-samuel-clemens-became-mark-twain/

    Samuel Langhorne Clemens in 1835, began his career as a newspaperman at the precocious age of 12, working as a printer’s apprentice for the Missouri Courier after his father died of pneumonia. From there, he joined his brother Orion Clemens’ paper the Western Union as a typesetter and editorial assistant. He carried his burgeoning career to a number of cities, including St. Louis, Philadelphia, New York and Cincinnati. During the ensuing years, he famously worked as a riverboat pilot and began using his pen name, Mark Twain, in 1863.

  298. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    说得通。

    One must be careful regarding the citations (especially in this age when anyone can set up their own garage-band website and claim anything they want), we don’t want to fall in the same category as the free wheeling shoot-from-the-hip anti-Muzlamics crowd.

    瓦萨拉姆。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  299. @Talha

    Nothing to do with a “garage-band website.” It was simply an error in organizing quotes on my behalf.

    But look at this thread again …

    Earlier, Aaron presented information he himself later recognized as inaccurate and provided an opportunity for us — not only to learn about his sincere humility, but to assure him that such matters are merely a means by which we may draw closer to our Lord.

    And now the shoe is, as they say, on the other foot.

    In this realm of smokeless fire and imaginary anonymity, it’s a terribly simple matter to forget who we are.

    And only the faithful receive admonition.

    was-salaam。

    • 同意: Talha
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  300. Corvinus 说:
    @Al Liguori

    The reality is that Hitler and Germany made the effort to take over sovereign nations, thus in part causing World War II.

  301. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    Thank you for graciously accepting this.

    We all make mistakes or even do things we later regret – I certainly do all the time, often cringeworthy mistakes – and it really is an occasion for humility and a reminder of who we truly are 🙂

    Spiritually, this is the best medicine for us humans.

  302. No problem, Aaron. Your composure is a testament to your faith.

    In Arabic, the word for “person” is 男人, derived from the same root shared by nisyan, meaning “forgetfulness.” If our existence were devoid of mistakes, it wouldn’t be what it is.

    That said, the grass is long and the weeds are growing like … well, weeds. It’s a relatively low-risk task where mistakes are concerned. A small toad or two might lurch clumsily into the cutting path, but I’ve successfully spirited each and every one of these whimsically oblivious amphibians to the woods so far this season, and it’s indescribably pleasant to engage in labor that doesn’t compel you to think too much.

    Insha’Allah, see you and Talha soon.

    was-salaam。

  303. APilgrim 说:

    The round of Apologies, clarifications & corrections are accepted.

    We have ALL been ‘brain-washed’, propagandized, lied-to, and deceived hundreds of times. A high percentage of ‘quotes’ I heard as a child, and since were incorrectly attributed and/or outright wrong.

    The internet accelerates knowledge and deception, so our difficulties are amplified.

    • 回复: @Talha
  304. APilgrim 说:

    Did anyone seriously think that Jared Corey Kushner would quickly and easily NAIL a Middle East peace?

    My 1st impression was that Donald Trump sent his son-in-law 5,000 miles away, on a ‘Snipe-Hunt’. Apparently the assignment is a genuine effort, by a trusted adviser.

    Thousands of previous genuine efforts by ‘Heavy-Hitters’ have failed. Probably many thousands of future Mid-East peace efforts will also fail.

  305. Talha 说:
    @APilgrim

    The internet accelerates knowledge and deception, so our difficulties are amplified.

    One of the best and concise diagnoses I have read in a while.

    和平:

  306. APilgrim 说:

    China, Europe, Israel, Australia, & the Americas should expel & BAN Muhammadans.

    Turks, Persians & Arabs should be expelled from Kurdistan.

    This MIGHT lead to Mid-East Peace. It would end Muslim International Terrorism.

  307. Talha 说:

    Turks, Persians & Arabs should be expelled from Kurdistan

    What a curious statement. Every serious analyst I’ve ever read says this independent Kurdistan being carved out of all those nations would cause very serious consequences and war in the area.

    All except one group, ah – yes, now I remember:
    “Netanyahu, Sole Leader to Endorse Independent Kurdistan…”
    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/netanyahu-hits-back-at-erdogan-for-supporting-hamas-1.5451118

    和平:

    • 回复: @APilgrim
  308. APilgrim 说:
    @Talha

    Kurds are a distinct tribe, which has dwelled in the ‘No Fly Zone’, for many millennia. And so a Kurdish homeland is fully justified.

    The so-called ‘Palestinians’ are a recent fabrication, mostly by the Romanian Secret Police, in Soviet Union days. ‘Palestinians are a faux tribe, with no historic ties to the lands of modern and/or ancient Israel.

    I favor re-partition of the Middle East along Tribal and/or Ethnic lines; and thus setting aside the crazy-quilt of Colonial Boundaries. Great Britain & the other colonial powers scrambled the tribal, ethnic and topographical boundaries to FOMENT discord. To the end of maintaining a continuous state of war, the colonial objectives have been accomplished.

  309. APilgrim 说:

    The Camp David Accords were signed by Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin on 17 September 1978, following twelve days of secret negotiations at Camp David. The two framework agreements were signed at the White House, and were witnessed by President Jimmy Carter. The second of these frameworks (A Framework for the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel) led directly to the 1979 Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty. Due to the agreement, Sadat and Begin received the shared 1978 Nobel Peace Prize. The first framework (A Framework for Peace in the Middle East), which dealt with the Palestinian territories, was written without participation of the Palestinians.

    Historian Jørgen Jensehaugen argues that by the time Carter left office in January 1981, he: was in an odd position—he had attempted to break with traditional US policy but ended up fulfilling the goals of that tradition, which had been to break up the Arab alliance, side-line the Palestinians, build an alliance with Egypt, weaken the Soviet Union and secure Israel. Jimmy Carter is the sole survivor, among the players in this deal.

  310. APilgrim 说:

    I favor homelands, with defensible borders & walls, for: Alawites, Sunni-Arabs, Kurds, Shia-Arabs, Shia-Persians, Sunni-Persians, Jews, Turks, Wahhabis, Yazidis, Assyrians, and the many other tribal & ethnic groups in the Middle East. (Except Daesh (ISIS).

    And they should ALL be ‘Armed-to-the-Teeth’, IMHPO.

    Nothing else, in Modern History, has worked.

  311. Miggle 说:
    @AnonStarter

    “No compulsion in religion,” and prior to the arrival of The Prophet in Medina, there was nothing in the world akin to his federation of disparate religious and tribal communities, all of whom were entitled to freedom of worship and adjudication of their affairs according to the laws of their sacred tradition.

    That’s what I said. Islam allows freedom of worship, allows Christians to worship in a Christian church, but freedom of worship is not freedom of religion. Law enforcement (“adjudication”) by one’s own religious authorities, or any religious authorities, any other than state authorities, is not freedom of religion but dictatorship of religion.

    Leave it to God to punish sin (breaches of God’s law) without earthly assistance, and leave it to the state to punish breaches of state law, and understand that there’s no other law. Separation of Church and State, total separation.

    Freedom of religion includes the right to abandon or change one’s religion. So, does Islam permit freedom of religion, or kill former Muslims who exercised it?

  312. White 说:
    @Charles_Martel

    至少巴勒斯坦人知道并且能够识别他们的敌人,而像美国这样的白痴被占领并被犹太人和他们的 AIPAC 游说团体搞砸了,但你甚至感觉不到螺丝......一定是一个地狱他们在给你操的避孕套上使用犹太洁食润滑剂

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