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Would you be willing to defend your country against a foreign invasion?
That’s all Putin is doing in Syria. He’s just preempting the tidal wave of jihadis that’ll be coming his way once the current fracas is over. He figures it’s better to exterminate these US-backed maniacs in Syria now than face them in Chechnya, St Petersburg and Moscow sometime in the future. Can you blame him? After all, if Washington’s strategy works in Syria, then you can bet they’ll try the same thing in Beirut, Tehran and Moscow.
So what choice does Putin have?
None. He has no choice. His back is against the wall. He has to fight. No one in Washington seems to get this. They think Putin can throw in the towel and call it “quits” at the first sign of getting bogged down. But he can’t throw in the towel because Russia’s facing an existential crisis. If he loses, then Russia’s going to wind up on the same scrap heap as Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. You can bet on it. So the only thing he can do is win. Period. Victory isn’t an option, it’s a necessity.
Do you think that Putin and his advisors have had their heads in the sand for the last 15 years, that they haven’t noticed the US rampaging around the globe bumping off one country after the other leaving behind nothing but anarchy and ruin? Do you think they don’t know that Russia is on the top of Washington’s hit-list? Do you think they haven’t noticed NATO inching closer to Russia’s borders while foam-at-the-mouth politicians in Washington wave their fists and growl about Hitler Putin and evil Russia?
Of course they’ve noticed. Everyone’s noticed. Everyone knows Washington is on the warpath and its leaders have gone stark raving mad. How could they not notice?
But all that’s done is focus the mind on the task at hand, and the task at hand is to whoop the tar out of the terrorists, put an end to Washington’s sick little jihadi game, and go home. That’s Russia’s plan in a nutshell. No one is trying to cobble together the long-lost Soviet empire. That’s pure bunkum. Russia just wants to clean up this nest of vipers and call it a day. There’s nothing more to it than that.
But what if the going gets tough and Syria becomes a quagmire?
That doesn’t change anything, because Russia still has to win. If that means sending ground troops to Syria, then that’s what Putin will do. If that means asymmetrical warfare, like arming the Kurds or the Yemenis, or the Taliban or even disparate anti-regime Shiites in Saudi Arabia, then he’ll do that too. Whatever it takes. This isn’t a game, it’s a fight for survival; Russia’s survival as a sovereign country. That’s what the stakes are. That’s not something Putin takes lightly.
Keep in mind, that Russia’s situation is entirely different than that of the US. The US is engaged in a vast “pivot” project to remove secular regimes that are hostile towards Washington, control vital resources from North Africa through the Middle East and across Central Asia, establish military bases wherever necessary, maintain the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency, and redraw the map of the ME in a way that best suits the commercial and strategic interests of its core constituents; the banks, the multinational corporations and the big weapons manufacturers.
Russia doesn’t have any grandiose plans like that. Putin just wants to sell oil, make money, raise living standards in Russia, and get on with life. He figured that if he played by the rules– Washington’s rules– joined the WTO, then he’d be okay. But that’s not the way it works. The WTO’s rules, like the IMF’s rules are only upheld as long as they suit Washington’s strategic objectives. And when they don’t, well, then they’re dumped like a hot potato just like they were when the US implemented its economic sanctions on Russia or when the IMF allowed Ukraine to stiff Moscow for $3 billion in loans. The point is, it’s a free market when Washington says it’s a free market, otherwise all bets are off.
The same rule applies to terrorism. For example, On Saturday, a group of terrorists detonated a car bomb near a hospital in the Syrian city of Homs. 22 people were killed and more than 70 were injured. So the Syrian government asked the UN Security Council to condemn the attack. Naturally, the Security Council said “Yes”, right?
Wrong. In fact, the UNSC refused to make any statement at all about the attack because, to do so, would be seen as supportive of the Syrian government that the US wants to topple. The bottom line: Blowing up civilians with car bombs is hunky-dory as long as the US benefits from it.
By the way, the Security Council is currently chaired by the US who made sure the draft was never even put to a vote.
Does that sound like a country that’s seriously committed to fighting terrorism or a country that is run by hypocrites?
The reason I ask this now is because, on Tuesday, Secretary of State John Kerry is scheduled to attend an emergency meeting in Moscow with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov to discuss issues that are too sensitive to reveal to the public. There’s a lot of speculation about what the two men will talk about, but the urgency and the secrecy of the meeting suggests that the topic will be one of great importance. So allow me to make a guess about what the topic will be.
When Kerry arrives in Moscow tomorrow he’ll be rushed to meeting room at the Kremlin where he’ll be joined by Lavrov, Putin, Minister of Defense Sergey Shoygu and high-ranking members from military intelligence. Then, following the initial introductions, Kerry will be shown the evidence Russian intelligence has gathered on last Sunday’s attack on a Syrian military base east of Raqqa that killed three Syrian soldiers and wounded thirteen others. The Syrian government immediately condemned the attack and accused US warplanes of conducting the operation. Later in the day, Putin delivered an uncharacteristically-harsh and threatening statement that left no doubt that he thought the attack was a grave violation of the accepted rules of engagement and, perhaps, a declaration of war. Here’s what he said:
“Any targets threatening the Russian groups of forces or land infrastructure must be immediately destroyed.” This was followed shortly after by an equally disturbing statement by Putin to the Russian Defense Ministry Board:
“必须特别注意加强战略核力量的作战潜力和实施国防空间计划。 正如我们的计划所概述的那样，有必要为核三合会的所有组成部分配备新的武器。”
Why would an incident in the village of Ayyash in far-flung Deir Ezzor Province be so important that it would bring the two nuclear-armed adversaries to the brink of war?
I’ll tell you why: It’s because there were other incidents prior to the bombing in Ayyash that laid the groundwork for the current clash. There was the ISIS downing of the Russian airliner that killed 224 Russian civilians. Two weeks after that tragedy, Putin announced at the G-20 meetings that he had gathered intelligence proving that 40 countries –including some in the G-20 itself–were involved in the funding and supporting of ISIS. This story was completely blacked out in the western media and, so far, Russia has not revealed the names of any of the countries involved.
So, I ask you, dear reader, do you think the United States is on that list of ISIS supporters?
Then there was the downing of the Russian Su-24, a Russian bomber that was shot down by Turkish F-16s while it was carrying out its mission to exterminate terrorists in Syria. Many analysts do not believe that the Su-24 could have been destroyed without surveillance and logistical support provided by US AWACs or US satellites. Many others scoff at the idea that Turkey would engage in such a risky plan without the go-ahead from Washington. Either way, the belief that Washington was directly involved in the downing of a Russian warplane is widespread.
So, I ask you, dear reader, do you think Washington gave Turkey the greenlight?
Finally, we have the aerial attack on the Syrian military base in Deir Ezzor, an attack that was either executed by US warplanes or US-coalition warplanes. Not only does the attack constitute a direct assault on the Russian-led coalition (an act of war) but the bombing raid was also carried out in tandem with a “a full-scale ISIS offensive on the villages of Ayyash and Bgelia.” The coordination suggests that either the US or US allies were providing air-cover for ISIS terrorists to carry out their ground operations. Author Alexander Mercouris– who is certainly no conspiracy nut–expands on this idea in a recent piece at Russia Insider which provides more detail on the incident. The article begins like this:
“Did Members of the US-Led Coalition Carry Out an Air Strike to Help ISIS? Russia Implies They Did. Russian statement appears to implicate aircraft from two member states of the US led coalition in the air strike on the Syrian military base in Deir az-Zor….This information – if it is true – begs a host of questions.
Firstly, the Syrian military base that was hit by the air strike was apparently the scene of a bitter battle between the Syrian military and the Islamic State. It seems that shortly after the air strike – and most probably as a result of it – the Islamic State’s fighters were able to storm it.
Inevitably, that begs the question of whether the aircraft that carried out the air strike were providing air support to the fighters of the Islamic State.
On the face of it, it looks like they were. After all, if what happened was simply a mistake, it might have been expected that the US and its allies would say as much. If so, it is an extremely serious and worrying development, suggesting that some members of the US-led anti-Islamic State coalition are actually in league with the Islamic State. (“Did Members of the US-Led Coalition Carry Out an Air Strike to Help ISIS?” Alexander Mercouris, Russia Insider)
So there it is in black and white. The Russians think someone in the US-led coalition is teaming up with ISIS. That should make for some interesting conversation when Kerry sashays into the Kremlin today.
Does Kerry have any clue that Putin and his lieutenants are probably going to produce evidence that coalition warplanes were involved in the bombing of the Syrian military base? How do you think he’ll respond to that news? Will he apologize or just stand there dumbstruck? And how will he react when Putin tells him that if a similar incident takes place in the future, Russian warplanes and anti-aircraft units are going to shoot the perpetrator down?
If I am not mistaken, Kerry is in for a big surprise on Tuesday. He’s about to learn that Putin takes war very seriously and is not going to let Washington sabotage his plans for success. If Kerry’s smart, he’ll pass along that message to Obama and tell him he needs to dial it down a notch if he wants to avoid a war with Russia.
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美国真的必须使出书中的每一个卑鄙伎俩才能在这个世界上取得成功吗？虽然对此很鸡巴？如果我们确实获得了可靠的信息，我迫不及待地想知道这次会议的内容。
Another absolutely brilliant article by Mike. But let us make the whole story much simpler. This is a war between Russia and the US lead Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism (COSOT), call it a semi-hot or a semi-cold war, it is still a war. Who will win in this war principally depends on who is going to go bankrupt. The previous war was won by the US when the USSR went bankrupt. This time the honor is more likely to befall the US, which is in an unbelievable speculative-manipulative and limitless-debt mess.
If one of them does not go bankrupt soon, since they both cannot remain above their red-lines (they cannot both win), then a global nuclear war is possible if not even likely. Formula: Russia must not lose + USrael must not lose = big fireworks guaranteed.
因此，要么破产，要么爆发核战争。
Thanks for the informative post, Mike. That’s a lot stuff you don’t find in the MSM. Apparently, there is not enough room for it to fit in the NY Times.
We will get little info, other than the public nonsense that comes out of such meetings. I have no doubt the Moscow Neo-Nazi will rub John Effing Kerry’s idiotic nose in the facts of the situation and utterly humiliate the man. Kerry is so stupid, that won’t even be sporting.
它可能会以这种方式发挥作用。 然后奥巴马会请求约翰·布伦南 (John Brennan) 允许他发表一些安慰性的声明。
Superb article Mr Whitney……..Truly top drawer !
I don’t believe what happens in Syria will ‘existentially’ affect Russia.
In some ways, Russian intervention could be said to have things worse.
With news of Russians killing Muslims in Syria, Muslims in Russia could become more radicalized.
Also, Russia risks the chance of losing, which will only embolden Muslims in Russia.
Also, as see in the Chechen War, Russia has enough resources to crush Jihadis in Russia itself.
Whatever moves Russia makes, it must do from a position of weakness.
With low oil prices, Russian economy is messed up bad. Sanctions make it much worse.
China, an ally, is also facing huge economic troubles.
While Russia has nukes, those are only emergency weapons and useless in most conflicts.
Russian economy is just a small fraction of the US economy, Russian technology is way behind US technology, and Russian military spending is 8% of US military spending.
So, if Putin must move out of Syria with loss, he must.
Also, if Syria falls and turns into hellhole, it will be up to the West to clean up the mess and take the blame.
While US has succeeded in messing up Iraq, Libya, and Syria, it has also lost the trust of much of the world. And guess which part of the world was hit with the refugee crisis?
EU, and that made Europeans sour on Americans.
If Syria totally implodes, the blame will eventually go to Americans and its allies.
Russia may lose pride, but sometimes losing is winning in the long run.
When US lost in Vietnam, people were saying it’s the end of Pax Americana.
If anything, it was a great relief for America.
And all the hell that happened in SE Asia was the problem of Vietnam, China, and Cambodia.
If Russia moves out of Syria, the mess in the entire region will have to be cleaned up by US and EU, and it’s not gonna be easy to clean up. Look at Libya. Look at Iraq.
And Russia can concentrate all its energies on building Russia.
Putin’s real challenge should be changing the Russian character.
Change that, and Russia will be strong.
Take the book Iron Kingdom about Prussia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/27/books/27grim.html
Prussia was the least likely major power in Europe. It was situated in a small strip of Europe without natural defenses nor good land. It was overshadowed in size and population by other nations. But why did it grow so powerful? Good leadership and national character shared by elites and the people.
It was quality over quantity. So, this most unlikely kingdom became a major player in European politics, and it led the way in unifying all of Germany.
Russia has always relied on quantity, so its national character never fully developed. Also, its Orthodox Church culture promoted passivity and resignation than sobriety and reform-mindedness. Communism hardened and energized the masses for awhile, but its lack of incentives and mind-numbing dogma made Russians revert back to passivity and vodka.
The real war is really within. It is like Mao said(though he did a terrible job of it).
In Stone’s movie, Mao says, “history is a symptom of our disease.”
History is also a sign of our health, mental and moral health, and this is where Russia needs to improve itself with a conservative form of liberalism that is both into identity and heritage but also rule of law and service to community.
Then, Russia, as a gigantic Prussia, will be a truly great power.
A great nations can lose lots of wars. But if it wins in developing its character and inner strength, it will rise again and win in the long run.
Chinese got work ethic and never lost it, even during communism. So, even after so much hell during the 19th and 20th century, it made great progress in the late 20th century. But China now faces the crisis of morals as ultra-rapid-modernization turned so many Chinese into soulless materialist freaks. In the long run, that is the bigger danger because it rots the national character of a people, indeed even worse than communism does. (Look at how white American national character has been ruined by decadent consumer capitalism. So many whites are hurting, but white elites do NOTHING and let them rot.)
Well, without getting into any other issues, I really think commenters here should be a bit more cautious in casually accepting everything claimed—or rather dishonestly implied—by the American MSM.
For example, here’s a graph of the changes in American and Chinese per capita GDPs over the last three decades, linked to an old article of mine from 2012:
In the three years since then, the headlines have touted America’s “economic recovery” and China’s “severe economic problems”, but the actual numbers have continued the exact same trend. For example, I’d guess that China’s per capita income growth rate this year will be around TEN TIMES than of the US.
I don’t read Russian, but I have little doubt that during the 1970s and 1980s, Pravda endlessly touted the economic success of the USSR compared with that of America’s terrible poverty problems. And these days, American Pravda does the same thing with the USSA…
“Well, without getting into any other issues, I really think commenters here should be a bit more cautious in casually accepting everything claimed—or rather dishonestly implied—by the American MSM.”
Yes, MSM isn’t trustworthy, but Chinese stats are like fortune cookie.
That aside, the Chinese financial model seems crazier than the American.
Their real estate bubble is 100x crazier than even the housing bubble in the 2000s here.
I mean they’ve been building entire ghost towns with easy loans.
我个人很难理解中东猖獗的圣战分子如何威胁俄罗斯的福祉，更不用说它的生存了。俄罗斯与伊斯兰国控制的领土没有共同边界。如果我是一个愤世嫉俗者，我会认为阿拉伯人之间的屠杀实际上对其他人都非常有利。话虽如此，普京最好开始发出最后通牒，而不是称俄罗斯的敌人为“伙伴”，并不断做出被视为软弱表现的和解姿态。
While I agree with much of Whitney’s analysis, I have a few quibbles. The Russians are probably capable of dealing with jihadists on Russia’s own soil. In fact, I actually feel sorry for some these jihadists. They are too young and too full of Allah to know who they are messing with. Thousands of them and their families and comrades could be rounded up and sent to Siberia. That is not a joke. It is a terrible punishment from Czarist times. Also, being delivered into the hands of the Syrian army is probably an evil fate as well.
In short, if you didn’t like Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, you are REALLY not going to like the Russian or Syrian versions.
As an aside, I dislike the “Dear Reader” rhetorical device. PCR uses the same formulation but, it is too intimate. Find another way to introduce a question to the reader or at least mix it up a little.
How ISIS came to be involved in a small plumbing business in the US:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-15/stunning-explanation-how-infamous-ford-f250-truck-ended-isis-hands
This would be funny if it were not so catastrophically sad. How did US arrive to be such a land of lies and subterfuge? It is drowning in both debt and lies.
优秀文章。
The West has many enormous, well resourced media organizations but somehow we still need to visit obscure, fringe websites (no offence) to read anything other than Neocon or Cultural Marxist perspectives.
This is not a fringe website, this is a niche website.
Also, we who comment here live in a bubble, one opposite in orientation to the bubble that the caffè latte class of Washington lives in. But this is only in the sense that, with a few exceptions, we do not believe a word of what the MSM say. If we did not live in our own bubble, we would probably have been at least wounded by the incessant MSM bombardment with lies, as many of my personal friends have been.
因此， unz.com is a niche website for a community of independent thinkers in their anti-lie protective bubble.
我真的不相信惠特尼关于俄罗斯被要求干预叙利亚以抵御穆斯林难民军队的论点。
俄罗斯不应该让北约推翻阿萨德在叙利亚的政权，就像美国不应该让俄罗斯推翻巴拿马政权一样。 我认为这就是俄罗斯需要的全部理由。
Putin’s Russia has shown amazing restraint of late. Having sacrificed greatly defending itself in WWII to the tune of 25 million USSR deaths, the red lines that exist today are not difficult to determine. Ukraine, Crimea and Syria, due to it’s access to the Med, are all non-negotiable strategically speaking. Russia knows that continued passivity would result in having potential allies and then itself being isolated and destroyed one by one.
Americans are poker players, very good at bluffing, whilst Russians play chess and think strategically and longer term. Russian technology may appear to be inferior but it works, works well and continues to work. The space launch yesterday is but one example as is the popularity of the AK47 another. Many US defence contractors are more concerned with over complicating technology for the purpose of inflating profits. Western troops expect to go to war alongside McDonalds, Pizza Hut etc and then chat with family back home at night on the net. Many are part-time warriors becoming increasingly aware of the BS they are expected to lay down their lives for. They go to war counting the days until they can return home.
The US economy is fraught with parasitic theft, fraud and bogus statistics, its elite are simultaneously at war with rest of the world and the American people itself and it is wearing thin, very thin indeed.
Russia is a more homogenous society whereas the US has major issues within its racial minorities, a tinder box waiting to be ignited. Also the US being more open is extremely vulnerable to sabotage and other kinds of mischief. Great powers in the past have underestimated Russia to their great peril. My hope is that the American people turn of their TVs and rise up to purge themselves of the parasitic vermin that has infested this once great nation.
De Toqueville said America is great because America is good but it hasn’t been good now for a long time.
我同意 unz.com is a niche site and kudos to Ron Unz for the hands on approach to making it so.
你们似乎完全忘记了乌克兰和顿巴斯战争，这场战争不会很快结束。现在很明显，普京最终背叛了最初信任他的顿巴斯人民。在他的各种演讲中，他甚至没有一次公开承诺以任何方式保护乌克兰的亲俄人民。但我们看到的是，这些人仍然每天遭到乌克兰军队的屠杀，而俄罗斯过去和现在都没有采取任何果断和有力的行动来制止这种对无辜平民的屠杀。普京在五月访问莫斯科期间，在从布尔克哈尔特那里得到了一些“他无法拒绝的提议”后，实际上就停止了对抵抗的顿巴斯的支持……克里姆林宫的言辞也发生了明显的变化……
现在你正在讨论俄罗斯对叙利亚的介入和普京的“英勇”努力，但另一场邪恶的战争在她自己的边境带来了一个强大的纳粹敌人，这对俄罗斯来说比一些偏远的伊斯兰国构成了更严重的威胁。在看到普京的举动后，我现在也为叙利亚感到担心。想想下次什么时候你会表扬他。这不仅仅是我个人的“愚见”。我建议你听听被背叛、失望和受苦的顿巴斯人民现在对普京本人和他的奸诈“计划”——臭名昭著的明斯克协议——乌克兰只是无视的说法。
我在这里看到的唯一有说服力的评论来自“attonn”……
“I don’t read Russian, but I have little doubt that during the 1970s and 1980s, Pravda endlessly touted the economic success of the USSR compared with that of America’s terrible poverty problems. And these days, American Pravda does the same thing with the USSA. . .”
Well, isn’t that right?!
法国和美国与伊斯兰国没有共同边界。
但是那又怎样呢？
你最近读过新闻吗？
哇，你大错特错了。普京或任何俄罗斯领导人都不会放弃乌克兰复活节。为什么？原因很简单，因为这意味着放弃俄罗斯本身。乌克兰东部是通往俄罗斯的大门。赫卢希夫距莫斯科仅 330 公里（500 英里）。即使是美国核导弹潜艇也无法如此接近莫斯科。哪位俄罗斯领导人会让美国能够在15分钟内摧毁其行政中心？
在明斯克的统治下，俄罗斯裔东乌克兰人现在正在死去吗？是的。他们中的一些人是否感到被抛弃了？是的。但你考虑过俄罗斯人的观点吗？为什么在俄罗斯的俄罗斯人会死在乌克兰东部？直到最近，扎哈琴科才终于组织起一支像样的防御军队。谁不想坐在自己的屁股上，让别人死去来解放他，然后给他一个国家？因此，俄罗斯人背叛东乌克兰人的呼声来自于爱哭鬼、疯狂的边缘人，至少其中一些可能是由美国支付的。
另一方面，叙利亚人一直在与一个更可怕的敌人作战。乌克兰东部人只受到纳粹和摇摇欲坠的乌克兰军队从一侧的攻击，而叙利亚人则受到来自四面八方的攻击。尽管如此，他们仍然战斗并坚持抵抗了大约五年。虽然俄罗斯立即向乌克兰东部提供帮助，但俄罗斯却等了近五年才帮助叙利亚。
更让你的废话变得毫无意义的是，乌克兰国家在经济、财政和组织上都是一场彻头彻尾的灾难。它淹没在腐败和内讧之中。因此，美国在基辅的傀儡对乌克兰东部发动严重进攻的可能性约为0%。这意味着，如果东乌克兰人组织得足够好，能够击退纳粹土匪，那么他们就没什么可担心的。我短期内看不到乌克兰东部发生任何军事入侵。所以，停止哭泣，振作起来，自己开始做点什么吧。
附言。我不是俄罗斯人，但我不喜欢懒惰的爱哭鬼。
Indeed, I saw this as well. Simply bizarre.
The US is failing quickly. Our enemies can just wait us out.
Orville, my friend, that is called the reality gap. When the reality projected in the MSM diverges too much from the physical reality of the people, this creates a gap. Into such gap steps in the opponent’s media. In the Eastern block, these were the Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, British Council etc. In the Eastern Block, if you wanted to get away from the news of amazing production increases whilst you lacked most necessities and get closer to the reality, that is bridge the reality gap, you had to peruse the above.
How the wheel of fortune has turned!? The Western/US MSM have lost reality somewhere on the way to the Federal Reserve building. The gap between the image projected in the MSM and the Western reality is now huge, whilst Russia has lost its gap completely. Now, the Westerners have to go to RT to get anywhere close to the truth about the criminality of their own government, the police state they live in, and the corruption of the banking system and their whole power structure.
Maybe it is also worth noticing that what Stasi used to dream about, now NSA fulfills and much more: Stasi could not even dream of the Facebook, the self-managed dossiers. The wheel of fortune has turned half circle, who was up is now down, who was down is now up. This is not uncommon in history.
请理解，普京遵守国际法，而顿巴斯与克里米亚不同，是乌克兰的一部分。俄罗斯领导层也明白乌克兰经济正在崩溃。我可以完全支持这一点，但 Ron Unz 会正确地拒绝我的评论，因为它太长了。首先，请阅读这篇涵盖一些问题的旧文章：
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/63e0a202-26fb-11e4-a46a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3E5rmS44w
Simon Black has an excellent older podcast on the deep recession in Ukraine titled “Dulce et Decorum est Pro Patria Mori”
https://www.sovereignman.com/podcast/podcast-014-dulce-et-decorum-est-pro-patria-mori-14818/
乌克兰的经济持续崩溃，加上全球通货紧缩需求驱动的萧条，加剧了这种情况。无论是欧洲（难民和移民泛滥）还是美国（经济泡沫和中东干预的后果）现在都无法承担让乌克兰达到欧洲经济标准所需的一万亿美元成本。最终，乌克兰国家将崩溃成像巴尔干国家一样。一旦乌克兰被西方抛弃，俄罗斯就可以与俄语地区结盟。欧盟将受困于来自新纳粹统治的乌克兰西部的难民。不幸的是，许多无辜的乌克兰公民将遭受严重损失，首先是即将到来的厄尔尼诺现象导致东欧寒冷的冬天以及俄罗斯天然气的进一步缺乏。
至于叙利亚，俄罗斯和叙利亚通过切断伊斯兰国在阿勒颇的部分（参见二战中俄罗斯与日本的战略）并封锁巴尔米拉和代尔祖尔附近的十字路口，在战略上取得了胜利。现在的问题只是油轮/伊斯兰国补给火鸡射击以及关闭与土耳其和以色列的边界。军事地图网站对叙利亚局势进行了深入报道：
http://militarymaps.info/
It is important to note that the ISIS attack on the Deir az-Zor base was suppressed. My understanding is that Russia will identify which country’s bombers attacked the SAA base. My bet is on Qatar as their leadership has been the greatest supported of ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood. Saudi Arabia, UAE, US, Turkey, and Israel tend to support Al Qaeda and its offshoots.
Totally OT, but have the folks here who enjoy your freedom of speech on the internet AND ALSO support the Donald really thought about that?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/republican-presidential-debate-moments-mattered/story?id=35790718
And just a hunch: based on the photo with this story, Rubio will be the nominee.
Can you name a few that you think are reliable and informative please?
Putin starts strong, then fades. He made an enormous blunder when he allowed the Turks (read: Isramerica/NATO) to ambush his plane and responded with nothing more than “sanctions” and hot air. Now the Zio-globalists will grow still bolder. If I were the neo-conz, I’d now close the Straits to Russian ships, forcing Putin to concede defeat in Syria…or escalate to either a major regional war or outright WW III. Based on past performance, Putin will fold
I am thinking of those allegations against Iran and Syria of sending IED ,night googles armors,and grenades to US occupied Iraq aparently based on chemical or size or whatever that US could make up of in pursuit of extending war against Iran.
Can US be asked to dismantle the supply chain? Who is involved in selling what to IS?
How did those black flag waving white Toyotas end up barreling down the desert?
Or its just another shrug and nothing more from American now afraid of IS that at best puld be expected.
Meanwhile this comment from mondoweiss
made by just
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The Israeli government doesn’t know how it wants to solve the conflict with the Palestinians or what kind of country it wants Israel to become, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in an interview with the New Yorker magazine. …
Kerry also told Remnick that in 2010, when he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he held talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad about the possibility of a peace agreement with Israel. Kerry said that during these talks, Assad gave him a signed letter containing a peace proposal under which Syria would recognize Israel and open an embassy there in exchange for the return of the Golan Heights.
Kerry added that he had made it clear to Assad that any such deal would require him to sever his military ties with Iran and Hezbollah. Haaretz reported on his talks with Assad back in February 2011.
But Kerry told Remnick that when Netanyahu heard about his effort, he opposed it. “Bibi came to Washington,” Kerry said, “and one of the first things out of his mouth in the Oval Office was ‘I can’t do this. I’m not going to—I just can’t.””
read more: link to haaretz.com
Wake up world, Mr. Kerry and Mr. Obama. Say it loud so everyone can hear you: Israel does not want peace. ..
- 查看更多： http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/without-resolving-palestinian#sthash.xB5HVEwK.dpuf”
Israel wants Syria to be fragmented into thousands pieces unlesss it shelves relation with Iran.
I think the play book is same . Once Syia does break off from Iran the Jewish will start new problem to disintegrate the state of Syia to replicate just what they have done to Palestine . Syria knows it .
By partnering with Israel, Saudi is gravitating down the same road .
But where is the evangelical morons and GOP crowd who comes to taste the crumbs left by Sheldon Adelson?
One thing is clear – these white middleaged men and women are trying to hold on to something to feel a sense of continuity and hope . They have lost everything they started their lives with – community,Sunday church,stable family,40 hours stable job with benefits and hopes for thir offspring . Somewhere they know that they have been played for a loser fool by the people they trusted ,loved and respected . They also know that it is too painful and shameful to admit it .
This out of blue horeographed terrorism imparts certain validity and meaning to them. They can blame somebody for the ills . It assumes enormomous significance and power when one can’t even dare to think of blaming even remotely the perpetrators and the predators who have sunk their lives so low .
What niche encompasses Tom Dispatch, The Saker, and Pat Buchanan?
Just another pile of clichés taken from other sources, sprinkled with assumptions, illogical reasoning and fantasies. I do not understand why would anybody take this man seriously. Let me take few of the paragraphs, make some comments and ask some questions.
1) Yes I would be willing to defend my country in case of an unfriendly invasion but what invasion is Mike talking about.
2) It would be much easier, much cheaper and much more effective to stop the jihadists at the border if that is his main concern.
3) To say that Putin has no choice is pure nonsense. I agree that Russia is facing an existential crises but this will not be solved by lobbying cruise missiles at Toyota pick up trucks.
4) It would not be the first time that Russian leaders had their heads in the sand. Stalin did not believe that Hitler would attack Russia.
5) If Russia’s plan in a nutshell, as Mike says, is to whoop the tar out of the terrorists, it is a poor plan and might not work. There are plenty of jihadists in the world willing and ready to fight either for free or for the money.
5) Putin will never send ground troops to Syria. This is pure fantasy. He might send a few special operatives but that is about all. The Russians have no appetite for another Afghanistan. I am not sure how arming the Yemenis would change the situation in Syria.
6) Mike’s quote, “He figured that if he played by the rules– Washington’s rules– joined the WTO, then he’d be okay.” This contradicts the claim that Putin does not have his head in the sand.
The last paragraph is pure Mike. He starts with an assumption which he turns in the next sentence into a fact.
你见过这个吗：
对于我的话和你的言论引起如此激烈的反应以及对顿巴斯事态的如此无能的“解释”，我并不感到惊讶。它只会证明你对事物的看法与现实有多远，这显然不是来自你自己的个人经历，也不是基于真实的事实。你承认了这一点，说你实际上不是俄罗斯人。即便如此，除了你不熟悉顿巴斯人民的生活之外，你仍然表现出绝对缺乏批判性思维。不知何故，你的观点完全符合“官方版本”。这意味着您只是 MSM 的客户。仅此一点就足以认为您的陈述不可靠，或者至少是有争议的。
而我是俄罗斯人，我的亲戚和朋友现在住在陷入困境的顿巴斯。现在看到你和我之间、你的版本和真实版本之间的区别了吗？我是第一手信息来源，而你绝对不是。因此，我建议每个阅读您评论的人都考虑到这一事实。
PS 不要试图侮辱我个人。这只能说明你的论点有多么薄弱。真相终将闪耀。
And Clinton will be the next president.
你对自己能引起我这样的反应感到非常自以为是。
您的回应是对我的攻击（回击），但没有解决我提出的任何问题，具体来说： 谁应该为你在顿巴斯的亲戚而战，他们还是俄罗斯？你的答案在哪里？
I have been reading articles and watching videos with endless complaints: “Putin tricked us into rebelling against the regime in Kiev, and then he betrayed us by abandoning us.”
Perhaps you also did not understand me stating that I am not Russian – I have no ax to grind either way. But just by being a Russian, does this give you an automatic right to be a whiner like your relatives?
难怪俄罗斯不希望你的亲戚成为俄罗斯的一部分。完全不是来自MSM，我确信俄罗斯已经最大限度地帮助了顿巴斯，而没有通过入侵另一个国家直接违反国际法。但有些人就是太习惯了国家总是提供的共产主义，张口就哭。
套用一句老话：俄罗斯帮助自助者！
It was reported that our own Hollywood was making videos here in LA to recruit future IS terrorists .
Also was reported in http://www.rawstroy.com that the guns used in Paris massacre came from America.
Making video of propaganda is a gift that keeps on giving . It never fails. CIA and Pentagon were making videos on Saddm and on Bin Ledeen.
A good piece, basically correct, but over-egging the pudding a little on Russia’s vital interests in Syria, imo.
Yes, the loss of Syria would be another domino falling, that would only move the US-backed jihadist campaign onto the next one. Yes, it would probably result in some problems domestically for Russia. Yes, it is in Russia’s vital interests to halt the US sphere’s aggression. But Russia has other options beyond Syria, and losing Syria would not be a terminal defeat for them. In the end, Russia can if necessary lose Syria and survive (though the cost would be a lot higher after the direct intervention). Ukraine is far more significant.
Indeed, Russia’s intervention in Syria, justified as it is, is a high stakes gamble, because the US has escalation superiority in any confrontation there, and the entire Russian force there could be destroyed quite quickly if the US were motivated to do it and to face Russia with the choice of WW3 or accepting the loss – Russia would most likely have to swallow the defeat and consolidate. It’s a good gamble, imo, because the likelihood of the US taking such a dramatic step now is very low given the wider context – part of the reason the direct Russian intervention was delayed until the context was right for it, imo.
As usual, a competently handled geostrategic move by Moscow, which under Putin has made a habit of playing a rather weak hand extremely well.
我同意你对生活在乌克兰的俄罗斯人的背叛感的评估，但一旦事件开始触动普京，除了入侵一个主权国家之外，他也无能为力。他在格鲁吉亚这样做，但我认为他这样做只是因为这比入侵乌克兰更安全。我还认为，在一个其他人都忽视合法性的时代，他过于关心合法性。我责怪他的是，他要么知道即将发生的政变，却没有采取任何行动来反击，要么他不知道即将发生什么。
O’Man – when these western journalist would ever learn world history from some objective source!
Putin and Soviet have been facing Muslim resistance for the last 300 year when most of European were barbarians. These westerner bigots label every Muslim “jihadi” whether he fight against western colonialism or act as their thug killing innocent people. But, these bigot would never call their own murderous people “crusaders” or “Judofacists” for murdering tens of million innocent people.
“我是一名战斗士兵，从前线报道了十二场高强度战争，但我从未见过任何能与车臣圣战者的英雄主义和无穷勇气相媲美的，他们没有受过正规的军事训练，没有重武器，甚至缺少反坦克火箭。 他们的伤员几乎没有药物或吗啡，也没有躲避俄罗斯大规模轰炸的避难所，包括禁止使用的燃料空气炸药、有毒气体和凝固汽油弹。 如果被俄罗斯人活捉，他们将首先受到折磨，然后被处决，”——加拿大专栏作家兼广播员埃里克·马戈利斯。
俄罗斯对车臣穆斯林进行种族灭绝有三大理由。 首先是该地区拥有大量的石油和天然气储量。 作为苏联的一部分——车臣曾经供应整个俄罗斯对石油和天然气的需求。 其次，如果允许其 19 个自治共和国之一的车臣脱离俄罗斯——这将鼓励其他共和国的人民效仿车臣的做法——并可能导致莫斯科失去其目前“控股”的 25%。 第三，莫斯科真正的恐惧是在其边界建立一个伊斯兰国。 正是这种恐惧让西方有理由在波斯尼亚和科索沃实施穆斯林大屠杀。
俄罗斯情报机构克格勃——就像美国中央情报局（CIA）和以色列（摩萨德）的情报机构一样，以实施恐怖主义并指责穆斯林而闻名。例如，前克格勃上校亚历山大·利特维年科（Alexander Litvinenko）在其著作《炸毁俄罗斯：来自内部的恐怖》中声称，正是克格勃的继任者联邦安全局（FSB）协调了1999年俄罗斯公寓楼爆炸事件，造成300多人死亡。
Chechen are practically fighting their Jihad without any help from the 57 Muslim nation states. Islamic Iran which has supported Bosnian Muslims during Serb-Croat invasion – and is now supporting HAMAs and Hizb’Allah against Israeli fascism – has not extended helping hand to Chechen Muslims due to its national interests in having friendly relations with Russia.
http://rehmat1.com/2009/02/02/chechnya-without-chechens/
I notice that the poster “Regnum Nostrum” has only posted 5 messages on unz.com, with the first occurring on December 11, just five days ago. Three of his 5 messages have been in response to one of Mike Whitney’s blogs and 2 in response to The Saker’s blog. He also states in this message “I do not understand why would anybody take this man seriously.” That line to me sounds suspiciously like something the Wizard of Ooze would say, who, just the other day, called, in effect, for a boycott of Mike’s blog. (Compare the line above to one on the Wizard of Ooze’s message of a few days ago: “What reason is there to use one’s time reading Mike Whitney?”) I strongly suspect that “Regnum Nostrum” is just another pseudonym for Wizard of Ooze. It makes you wonder how many other pseudonyms the man has and uses on unz.com. Apparently, he lacks the courage to make these same points in his own name, a somewhat tarnished brand which would allow readers to discount much of what he has to say. By using multiple names, Wizard of Ooze creates the false impression that there are many posters who think as he does.
你知道，我不需要阅读任何“专家”的文章，因为我本人就是顿巴斯事件的目击者，而且我本人也参与了这些事件。我自己住在俄罗斯，但我的亲戚和朋友住在顿巴斯，当然我与他们保持着密切的联系。他们向我提供了有关那里正在发生的事情的所有信息。况且，我刚刚去过那里不久，这一切都是我亲眼所见的。因此，我看到的是事物的真实面目，与你们所谓的“分析师”不同。当然，您知道现实与任何远程“专家”所描绘的有很大不同，更不用说 MSM 了。这些专家可以写出他们认为“真实”的任何内容，但他们的所有结论仍然只是他们的个人结论。它通常与现实无关。唯一重要的是个人经历，即您作为现场参与者的事实和事件。受害者自己可以更好地告诉你——谁是错的，谁是对的。当你的家园被炮火摧毁，你自己的母亲或孩子被战犯杀害时，你不需要网络上的任何其他“证据”，不是吗？但当你坐在海外某个地方的椅子上时，“当然”你可以安全地“判断”侧面……
另外，您为什么不对普京公开承诺的“以任何方式保护顿巴斯人民”发表您的看法？你真的认为违背自己承诺的人值得尊重吗？你认为俄罗斯总统在忘记了自己保护乌克兰俄罗斯人的话之后可以板着脸去叙利亚吗？俄罗斯人碰巧如此不幸，也成为了乌克兰新纳粹政权真正恐怖的受害者。普京本人已大声而明确地承诺保护他们。但它并没有实现。那么你还有理由进一步信任这样的总统吗？至于我，我当然有充分的理由不信任这样的统治者——我自己国家的总统。
所以让我看起来像是你的逻辑的“敌人”是毫无意义的。很抱歉破坏了你的幻想，但对我来说，真相太珍贵了，无法隐藏。对顿巴斯正在发生的事情以及当地人的苦难保持沉默意味着追随普京总统（及其顾问）并一次又一次地背叛这些人。
Yes, I saw the same on RT. I am not sure if it is a proof of anything because in the old times of US vs. USSR it was a common practice to plant miss-directive clues. But, considering how sloppy the Coalition of the Sponsors of Terrorism appears to be, just consider how easy it was to trace those ISIS Twitter IPs to the British Government, it may be that only borderline morons work on their Syrian regime change project. Sloppiness everywhere. Therefore, maybe the sourcing of some of the guns used in the Paris terrorist attack may point to who stood behind it. Maybe the Western agencies do not try very hard to hide clues due to their MSM control – they can erase anything they like from the public consciousness, easily.
“And just a hunch: based on the photo with this story, Rubio will be the nominee.”
And what polls can you point to that would back your “hunch”? Nationally, he is getting about 1/3 of Trump’s numbers. In Iowa, he is getting half the percentages of the two men leading, Trump and Cruz. In N.H., he is getting about 1/3 of Trump’s total. So there is a strong likelihood he will lose the first two contests. In a third early state, South Carolina, he is getting less than half Trump’s numbers. Yesterday, Daniel Larison had a piece on TAC pointing out that Rubio is running a lazy man’s campaign, not putting in the time in N.H., a state which values personal contact with candidates, and having a small staff the size normally associated with losing candidates in the past. In last night’s debate, my impression was that Rubio did not help himself at all, and his exchanges with Cruz probably hurt both candidates. I actually had to laugh when he attacked Obama for having been elected with little experience for the job, since that highlights the fact that he hasn’t even served one complete term as senator himself and while a young man in his early 40’s actually looks like he is in his 20’s. It’s also evident that he is a rather shallow man whose ideas are not thought through. I don’t think Rubio will be the nominee.
Regarding propaganda videos, there is just too much soft evidence that some of the war news videos are studio made. Maybe you have notices in that RT recent self-parody that they show as if there news from the war zones are made over a blue screen in the studio. I am certain that this is directed at the Western news channels which regularly practice similar tricks, “to save on travel costs” as Margerita intones.
One of the most concerning such situations may be that the whole Sandy Hook school massacre was arranged and acted by professional actors supplied by a private agency called, I think, Crisis Acting, specialised in labor supply for such “news” creation.
I am new to this forum and have nothing to do with Wizard of Ooze. My nickname is registered with my e-mail. Perhaps there are other people who question Mike’s patronizing style full of false self confidence and short on originality.
取消投票，我想知道：
许多顿巴斯人逃往俄罗斯。
其中包括数万、数十万身强力壮的男子。
我的问题：
那些人会回来保卫他们的家乡吗？
我从来不信任普京。他一生中的大部分时间都在苏联建造了一艘航母。崩溃后他很快改变了态度。他要么是在伪造他的社会主义信念，要么是他现在在伪造，尽管我倾向于相信他至少在后期伪造了前者。一开始他的信念可能是真诚的。他还表示不会对超过两届任期感兴趣，然后与梅德韦杰夫进行了一场可笑的猜谜游戏，结果却恰恰相反。根据这两个例子，我认为他主要关心的是掌权。
乌克兰人试图遵守明斯克协议，但协议一签署，顿巴斯的俄罗斯傀儡就违反了协议。如果你想找到顿巴斯的问题，我建议你看看莫斯科的新纳粹分子。普京非常乐意利用顿巴斯和克里米亚让乌克兰流血。
莫斯科及其在顿巴斯的傀儡使明斯克协议变得毫无价值。
The graph that Comrade Unz posted is terrifying-and it describes reality very accurately…Native Born White American Males are on the road to chattel slavery!!!-via the road of wage slavery.
A few years back, a top Russian political scientist predicted that the US was going to break-up into waring race-based nations. No one should have any doubt that is now one minute before midnight for Cornball Fox News “AMUUURICA” as a Nation.
The real question is this…..Which comes first:The Human Species 60 seconds within extinction or the collapse of the US into race war?
If the US does collapse into violent race-war-dystopia…expect foreign intervention. to carve up the joint. The collapse of the US doesn’t mean an end to thermonuclear extinction at all-it just delays it by a few years.
Here is how I see it:1962=2015-16….Common theme:Cold War Democrats=race-replacement immigration policy+nuclear war with Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.
Post-1965 race-replacement legal immigration policy goes-hand-in-hand with race-war against Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia.
A Conservative Orthodox Christian Submarine Commander named Vitali Akripov saved the Human Species from the Subhuman Irish Catholic Scum reprobate JFK who was hell-bent on bringing about the permanent extinction of the Human Species…and it is for this reason that I am no longer Catholic….but still very much living-breathing Irish(Westmeath-Kilarney ancestry).
The majority nonwhite Democratic Party is a hardcore ultraviolent terrorist organization…
And what could be more obvious than this:The SPLC=The Democratic Party…
The SPLC=NUMBER ONE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET EARTH!!!!!!
It’s just a marvel to me to see this US and allies oh so clever strategy of exploiting Muslim religious fanatics as mere cannon fodder in service of US interests. The zealots think they’re fighting for some Islamic utopia-on-earth whereas in reality they’re just pawns of the US to be disposed of later in some way-however many are still left alive afterwards, that is. It’s been a winning formula for the US for years now, goading the deluded little foreign people do the dying in furtherance of US interests. The world seems to have a large supply of dupes available for these projects. It has the added benefit of the US not only avoiding the bad public relations of having it’s own citizens become casualties but it can then point to the carnage it itself created and say ‘See, those people are savage and ungovernable. Only a firm hand can provide order for those kinds of people’. The subtext is that they’re all just some inferior breed that we shouldn’t worry too much about what happens to them. The US proclaiming it’s fighting IS is like an arsonist posing publicly for photo ops as a firefighter. US policy is as cynical and duplicitous as it’s possible to be.
just learned about this company founded by a student of the Frankfurt school/Habermas
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2013/08/19/national-security-darling-why-condoleezza-rice-david-petraeus-and-george-tenet-back-palantir/print/
the company is expanding its presence in DC area recently
偶尔发生的恐怖暴行并不会威胁到俄罗斯的生存。滥用酒精的破坏性要大千倍，但即便如此，俄罗斯似乎也处理得相当不错。
西方媒体小题大作，因为西方是一个女性化、歇斯底里、不能忍受痛苦、堕落的文明。
Lol. You’re using evidence and reasoning! (opposite of hunch)
事情并没有那么戏剧化。叙利亚是俄罗斯的一场余兴节目。他们搬进来是为了避免阿萨德垮台，因为成本很低。它让俄罗斯让美国、土耳其、沙特等国家的生活变得复杂化……所以他们让事情变得复杂化。但叙利亚没有直接的利益或威胁。他们明天就能以最低的成本离开。真正的悲剧是叙利亚社会被永久摧毁，这将困扰中东（也可能是欧洲）几代人。而叙利亚、伊拉克、利比亚的后国家灾区很可能会蔓延。在过去，这些社会只会消亡，但今天我们都将分担后果。
愤怒的激进伊斯兰主义者？无论如何，它们都会存在。有人可能会说，许多人将在叙利亚结束自己的生命。激进的虚无主义狂热分子将会精疲力竭，就像他们在历史上一直精疲力尽一样。许多人都是多余的年轻人，没有目标。因此，他们实际上实施了一次非常戏剧性的自杀。它造成了严重破坏，但对我们其他人在地球上的生活影响却很小。除非我们惊慌失措。
Russia’s real problem is its inability to resist internal volatility, its own reoccurring nihilistic flare-ups. They happen regularly and are always driven by a form of mass psychosis with large parts of the population going into nihilistic self-destructive overdrive – usually based on some vague yearning for better life from elsewhere. Last time it happened in the 90’s. Surrounding Russia, attacking Russia, creating instability, causing economic problems, actually back-fires for enemies of Russia – that is the main thing that has historically strengthen Russia. It focuses people, it removes the deadly Russian ennui, it is how Russia has been built as a large successful state.
此时，俄罗斯主要关心的是乌克兰。他们正在那里悄然获胜。作为一个反俄愤怒之岛，乌克兰不可能实现繁荣。因此，在愤怒的赤贫和与俄罗斯的和解之间做出选择，乌克兰人最终会迁就和友善。唯一的问题是我们将经历多少年的痛苦和戏剧性的事情。
Nobody doubts the treachery of the D.C. regime. However, the article depicts Putin’s Moscow as impossibly pure.
There is more to this story than Putin the Savior of Mother Russia contending against Kerry the Apostate and Obama the crypto-Muslim and their wicked support of ISIS.
For Quartermaster specifically:
“… more evidence has materialized that Turkey’s attack, which downed the Russian SU-24, had the logistical support of US AWACs aircraft or US satellites. http://russia-insider.com/en/natos-got-brand-new-syrian-bag/ri11846
In other words, Russia has Washington cold on Washington’s involvement with, and support of, ISIS and Turkey’s act of war against Russia.”
One more time: “…Russia has Washington cold on Washington’s involvement with, and support of, ISIS and Turkey’s act of war against Russia.”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/12/16/kerrys-moscow-meeting-a-hopeful-sign/
Agree with Ron Unz: There is no need to regurgitate the MSM “ideas” (i. e. propaganda) on this site.
Please look at the map showing the Russian Federation’ southern borders and then make an inquiry about the religious preferences of the neighboring countries. You may also want to learn about New Silk Road project, namely its geography and the US attitude towards the countries that participate in the project.
This site does not being to an office of Nuland-Kagan to spout a neocon-pleasing nonsense
It’s just a bad habit I picked up in junior high school and haven’t been able to shake since. Hunches have their value. I missed out on making a great deal of money over the years by not following my hunches on certain stocks, but I let too much thinking get in the way. Of course, it was thinking and shifting the evidence which led me to those stocks in the first place.
Bingo. Love it.
you seriously think putin will bend over and tell the west russia is ready for another 1990s rape?
keep on dreaming. Were you having an euphoric neocon wet dream ? reads like it.
罗恩
While I certainly don’t swallow the typical MSM drivel, the per capital graph is misleading. Counting from the start date on your graph [1980] each dollar added to a very low base [China; comparable $195 income p/c in 1981] to a very high base [USA; comparable $14,000 p/c in 1981], will indeed show the steep comparable graph for China.
在昨晚的辩论中，硬汉约翰·卡西奇说：“我们应该打俄罗斯的鼻子。”
杜鹃……杜鹃……杜鹃……（无止境）
当唐纳德特朗普指出我们浪费了数万亿美元和数千人的生命时，除了混乱和不稳定的中东之外什么都没有，卡莉·菲奥莉娜（Carly Fiorina）弹出了腰带。
杜鹃……杜鹃……杜鹃……（无止境）
普京显然不同意你关于恐怖主义暴行的看法。我建议回顾一下俄罗斯近代历史。
我同意你的观点，西方已经变得懦弱并且正在彻底衰落。
确切地。这些只是两个例子。事实上，还有更多……
我很高兴看到这里有人提出健康的批评，他的记忆力足够长，可以记住并考虑到所有那些已知的普京过去的秘密行动和黑暗交易。很高兴知道，与其他人不同，你不会被他的众多伎俩所愚弄，事实上，所有这些伎俩都是为了保持权力并将权力“提高”到无限腐败的水平。难怪大多数外国公众因为无法获得真实的信息和事实而迷恋普京的“英雄”形象，或者更确切地说是这样一个“袖子里藏着核武器的酷大男子主义”形象。甚至相当多的俄罗斯人自己也看不透他的所有面具，成为他虚假、虚假的“爱国”言论、他奇特而自命不凡的表演、表面上的“经济发展”、奥运会和浮夸的阅兵的受害者。 ，尤其是最近。但是，当这个政府甚至不打算保护任何人时，假装自己“强大”和“强大”有什么意义呢？还记得塞尔维亚、利比亚、伊拉克等吗？…现在是乌克兰、顿巴斯…然后是叙利亚，也会以同样的方式被背叛，也许是在类似的背信弃义的单边协议（类似“明斯克”协议）的“帮助”下。而我们这些直接使用大脑进行思考（以及从过去学习）的人可以清楚地看穿所有这些隐蔽的策略、计划和策略。我们，尤其是我，已经看到了足够的证据，并且可以轻松回答这个 15 年前的重大问题：“普京先生是谁？”
作为俄罗斯真正的爱国者，加上作为一个有坚定信念和道德价值观的人，我也从来不信任他。事实是，普京的一生中还有比他的选举故事还要多的黑暗面。每个人都可以在众多网络资源上轻松找到有关普京的大部分不利信息，特别是如果他们能听懂俄语的话。俄罗斯的资料无疑更值得学习，因为并非所有这些事实和文件都被翻译了。我真的坚持认为外国人可以阅读俄罗斯博客和社交媒体，真正的俄罗斯人在其中分享和传播重要而真实的信息。这将是一本令人大开眼界的读物。
我个人认识很多俄罗斯人，他们从一开始就信任普京，并且长期信任他。这些人对他之前的政策完全或部分“满意”。直到……直到乌克兰冲突，普京终于（出乎意料地）展示了他的真面目。在他在顿巴斯公然背叛俄罗斯人民之后，在他长期放弃乌克兰俄罗斯族的人权之后，在他不愿意控制和限制邻国乌克兰危险的仇俄运动的发展之后，在他与领导人握手之后乌克兰的非法纳粹政权，这个美国走狗和杀人犯波罗申科（！！！），最后在他明显未能按照俄罗斯明智、强大和忠诚的领导人应有的方式行事（无论是在国内政策还是外交政策上）之后，所有这些普京的粉丝和他的捍卫者突然发现“国王是裸体的”实际上......
时间会告诉我们故事的其余部分。
“And Clinton will be the next President.”
And World War III won’t be far behind. . . .
你似乎对俄罗斯联邦想要遵守法律而不是自杀感到惊讶。你是否同情你在俄罗斯的亲戚，或者你希望他们陷入与北约（美国）、新纳粹分子和土匪分子的战争，直到俄罗斯流血致死？对于俄罗斯来说，对基辅发动军事行动对于俄罗斯保守派来说是一场梦魇。
And please, do not “keep silence about what is happening in Donbas:” the truth must be spread around, particularly in western Europe. The locals do suffer; the Russian Federation has absorbed hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine. By their treatment of East Ukrainians, the putschists have been violating numerous laws and agreements. The Kievan scoundrels have been making a rope to hang themselves.
It seems that you want to share with us your lack of admiration for Putin by presenting your reading of his psychology. Do you trust Bibi, Obama, Hollande? What about Erdogan or the previous (unofficial) prez of the US the Five-Deferment-Cheney? Any more hurt feelings about certain heads of state?
The tough guy John Kasich has some impressive bio: “He was a commentator on Fox News Channel… He also worked as an investment banker, as managing director of Lehman Brothers’ Columbus, Ohio office.” Some brave soldier indeed, this John Kasich; always ready to send other peoples’ children to fight his fights.
俄罗斯人应该暗杀美国的高层人物。
“redraw the map of the ME in a way that best suits the commercial and strategic interests of its core constituents; the banks, the multinational corporations and the big weapons manufacturers.”
多么好的一个工具啊。
No mention of the interests of the Zionist owners of the political filth.
普京发誓要杀死每一个车臣圣战分子，并且做到了。 那些逃到土耳其的人，认为他们是安全的，慢慢地落入了消失在夜色中的杀手手中。 普京有很长的记忆力，复仇是一道最好的冷菜。 埃尔多安伏击者总有一天会发现这一点。
Quite an armchair commando, John Kasich. He’s a decorated veteran of the cocktail party wars.
嗯，我当然能听出你问题中的讽刺。我的答案将会很明确。从一开始直到今天，顿巴斯地区的整个公民起义都涉及当地不同年龄、职业和社会地位的男女。就连那里的青少年也拿起了武器。有妈妈和儿子并肩作战。他们保卫自己的家园、家人、财产，当然还有生命。他们都是顿巴斯地区的居民，一般都是普通平民——大多是矿工、司机等。此外，甚至商人、教师、艺术家和科学家也加入了民兵部队。他们中的大多数人一生中从未投过一次球。但他们学习得很快……因为他们不得不这样做。他们别无选择。这些人中的绝大多数无处可去。他们中的许多人只是不想离开家园，让入侵者在那里进行掠夺。最重要的是，他们希望乌克兰能够回归，然后和平就会回归。
他们的民兵中有一部分包括来自俄罗斯联邦的志愿者，他们特意来到这里支持亲俄的顿巴斯，以对抗攻击的乌克兰军队、纳粹营、右翼部门等。这些来自俄罗斯的志愿者中有许多人有他们的父母或其他亲戚住在顿巴斯，所以他们冲上去保卫他们是绝对自然的。这些来自俄罗斯的捍卫者中有相当多甚至不是俄罗斯族，但即便如此，他们也加入了反对纳粹政权及其残酷侵略者的斗争。他们的新军队中有一部分是来自其他国家的志愿者——来自塞尔维亚、西班牙、法国、拉脱维亚、德国，甚至来自美国。
逃往俄罗斯的难民主要是有儿童、老人、残疾人的家庭以及在俄罗斯有自己的房子和工作的人。事实上，一些健康的成年男性也逃走了。他们中的大多数是刚出生的婴儿和5岁以下孩子的父亲，他们的母亲无法独自承担所有的艰辛。这就是现实迫使这些人采取的行动。这些人没有什么可感到羞耻的。他们保护自己所爱的人。在确保家人可以安全地在俄罗斯某个地方定居并获得帮助后，他们中的一些人返回顿巴斯参加战斗。
另一部分来自顿巴斯的人从未回过家，他们每个人做出这样的决定都有自己的理由。我相信他们中的一些人只是胆小鬼或冷漠的人，只关心自己的皮肤。我可以告诉你更多。还有一些人选择成为自己的同胞、朋友、同事和邻居的叛徒，他们收集并向乌克兰警方提供了他们的个人数据。报道中的人随后被逮捕、监禁、酷刑和杀害，数百人消失得无影无踪……有些人纠正了乌克兰炮兵的火力，不仅向他们提供了军队的准确坐标和位置，甚至还向平民提供了准确的坐标和位置。被炮击的对象——学校、医院、住宅楼……这些人与他们所服务的人一样，承担着杀害无辜人民的凶手的责任。
尽管如此，此类地方叛徒仍是零星案件。当然，好人占上风。顿巴斯的大多数人都是真正的英雄，他们在如此致命的情况下生存下来的精神力量只能引起最深切的尊重和钦佩。好坏与国籍、居住地、年龄、性别无关。和其他地方一样，有好人也有坏人。成为无赖的动机总是个人的，取决于某个人的无价值性格和绝对没有禁忌和任何道德约束。
Yeah, we all get that.
There is nothing at all “misleading” about the graph when you understand what information is actually being presented.
恕我直言，但你是个糟糕的战略家。正是因为没有在摇篮中尽早消灭班德派——在乌克兰，当然从顿巴斯开始，俄罗斯可能很快就会在自己的城市中出现他们，然后，事实上，这里的大屠杀是不可避免的。乌克兰新纳粹分子有这样的计划，以防你不知道。俄罗斯边境城市沃罗涅什、罗斯托夫、别尔哥罗德当然也在他们的计划之中。他们称其为“大斯基泰”，成为“大乌克兰”的一部分。阅读相关内容。谷歌 Biletsky、Yarosh 或任何其他纳粹领导人，或阅读此处： http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/01/the-ideology-of-new-ukraine.html
在发表言论之前，您至少应该调查一下他们的最终目标是什么。我向你保证，他们不会在顿巴斯停留。他们的主要敌人和最终目标被宣称是俄罗斯。坐着等待他们凯旋的到来 is 那个自杀！
然而，美国没有人会在顿巴斯发动第三次世界大战，就像吞并克里米亚后没有人开始发动第三次世界大战一样。但随着大男子主义普京奔赴中东展示他的肌肉，核冲突变得非常非常有可能。顺便说一句，如果你明白我的意思的话，这正是圣经中的世界末日将要发生的地方。
是的，我不会保持沉默。
好文章
仅由
“remove secular regimes that are hostile towards Washington,” ” ?!?!
“…the banks, the multinational corporations and the big weapons manufacturers.”
I don’t think I’ve ever read a paragraph that tries almost heroically to not mention the very substantial 点。
作者听说过以色列吗？
WTF
Washington just gave Erdogan a serious cold shower by withdrawing its F-15 air superiority fighters from Incirlik and telling him to accede to the Iraqi government’s demand to withdraw from Mosul. You can bet Erdogan is pissed. If the US was behind the SU-24 shootdown, Erdogan’s got the goods on them and has every incentive to spill the beans. I guess we’ll find out in the coming days.
美联储所要做的就是按下电脑上的按键并创造万亿美元
美元没有可行的替代品 但
and China doesn’t want to see its economy crash if the dollar crashes
世界上大多数国家也是如此
so long as inflating the currency only hurts the middle class, they certainly don’t mind that, and the ECB is their Siamese twin and all the Western countrie’s central banks from Norway to Australia have been bribed and/or bullied into fiscal submission
惠特尼先生确实提出了一个很好的观点：俄罗斯 不能失去 到这个地段。这对俄罗斯来说意味着一场最终且不可避免的大屠杀，我怀疑核战争实际上可能比生活在一个由关塔那摩和加沙的统治者统治的世界中更好。
Perhaps it’d be better to do a reset than doom the world’s progeny to some kind of dystopian abyss of horrors that would give Orwell nightmares
这之间
这
有点难选择
没有一个冗长的帖子：
罗特姆福…
同意。
你在这里向合唱团讲道。
哈哈……你的童话故事出现得太晚了。没有人再认真对待它了。
确实……但他们说，可怕的结局总是比没有尽头的恐怖要好。
There is indeed a terrible pain and a strong sense of betrayal. But consider the option – an open war with NATO (US), a war that could become a nuclear war in a speck of time. The neo-Nazi surge in Ukraine has been generated by the US State Department; this is an ongoing process notwithstanding a certain resolution taken by the US Congress. The situation could be changed only when the US deciders-plutocrats (and their servile MIC) receive a very painful and personal punishment. The sense of the horrific and total dangers of the approaching war has been slowly but steadily downing on the true rulers of the US. One cannot educate, in a few moments, the semi-ignorant scum that has captured the most powerful “exceptional” nation; the plutocrats are too well protected to get a sense of reality. It is in the interests of humankind to take time before going frontal against the high-placed war profiteers. It would be irresponsible to initiate a war in Europe and to destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of Europeans, whereas the promoters and builders of the war live in the USA.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/You-Want-War-Russia-is-Re-by-Pepe-Escobar-NATO_Putin_Russia-And-Turkey_Russia-And-Us-Conflict-151216-994.html
not to split hairs annamarina, but the nation has been captured 止 the ignorant scum by the plutocrats
today the ignorant scum are bovine cannon fodder and scorned as ‘privileged’ as the country their ancestors invented is systematically looted dry by the .001% Wall Street uber-criminal plutocrats and assorted 不是-semi-ignorant scum.
these men may be scum (and are ; )
but they’re quite educated
I note again that Whitney is severely allergic to the word “Jew”. Ditto ” Israel.’
But i am not surprised that folks here failed to see it.
乔·韦伯
Let me point out again that the Jews hate Russia for terminating the Jew Power in there.
I do not think that Whitney has ever used the jew/Israel words. Therefore, he is an agent of obfuscation for the Jew Power, OR, he just wants to keep credible to other sources of employment.
In the big scheme of things a loss in Syria is the biggest threat to the Jews. The whole war on terror starting with 9-11 is a tactic by the Jews to Somalize the middle east. If they lose in Syria they’re screwed. Their false flags are wearing thin. They’ve attacked their biggest supporter the US and pissed off Russia, the Muslims, just about everyone. Their constant warfare is doing the same thing they did to Hezbollah. Their enemies are getting smarter and smarter. In Hezbollah’s case the Jews got their asses kicked.
We’re seeing peak Jew right now. No one believes their lies. Large amounts of people realize they’re nothing but a tribe of psychopaths. Lizards that walk on two feet.
Great quotes from Putin’s press conference:
https://www.rt.com/news/326354-putins-turkey-trump-quotes/
“[Ankara] thought we would flee [Syria]! No, Russia is not a country to act like that. We increased our presence in Syria; we increased the strength of our air forces. There were no anti-aircraft weapon systems there before – now there is the S-400,” he said.
“Turkey used to violate Syrian airspace on a regular basis, now let’s see them fly there”
另一个不错的：
[Vladimir Putin suggests Turkey wants to ‘lick the Americans in a certain place’]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12055920/Putin-suggest-Turkey-wants-to-lick-the-Americans-in-a-certain-place.html
My Russian has deteriorated over the years of non-use.
Any fluent Russian speakers here ?
Did Putin really say “lick” ?
您仔细阅读我之前的回复了吗？我也明确表示，核战争宁愿发生在中东，也不会发生在乌克兰、顿巴斯或克里米亚。
事实上，我明白你的意思……你想说欧洲人的生命比乌克兰一些俄罗斯人的生命珍贵得多。如果假设这会引发欧洲战争，那么拯救那些“亚人”——俄罗斯人——可能会让欧洲人付出生命的代价。正确的？让那些俄罗斯人死去，但我们，“被选中”的人，应该活下去。正确的？多好啊……不过，我并没有感到惊讶。我一直都知道“西方”的这种态度。像这样的态度，只有俄罗斯才是站在你们通向“幸福未来”的道路上的。你们总是准备摧毁我们，或者更确切地说，“帮助”摧毁我们，因为你们没有勇气直接对抗俄罗斯。但这些都是空想。世界已经改变。俄罗斯人也发生了变化。 1990世纪1945年代之后，当你们西方国家为巨大的苏联的崩溃以及随之而来的噩梦而欢呼雀跃时，我们已经不再一样了……因此，我们为整个世界而战的意愿和准备已经消失了。完全消失了。是的，是你们，西方教会我们更加务实，更加愤世嫉俗。今天的俄罗斯没有人愿意像我们的祖父在 XNUMX 年那样去拯救欧洲国家。所以，是的，西方世界憎恨我们，无休止地对我们撒谎，侮辱我们，嘲笑我们，迫不及待地看到我们分裂、失败，被掠夺、被奴役、最终被毁灭，这样的世界不值得我们怜悯，不值得我们同情，甚至不值得我们流一滴眼泪。所以这次轮到你付钱了。为你所做的一切付出代价。
那你想对我说什么？俄罗斯不应该担心仍然留在乌克兰每个地区的大约14-15百万俄罗斯人，他们都成为疯狂的班德拉/纳粹暴徒的容易攻击的目标，仅仅因为这可能会在欧洲引发一些潜在的战争？所以，让他们受苦受死，但拯救欧洲，或者什么？？？如果是这样，那么你为什么如此积极地支持普京的政策就很清楚了。他也不重视俄罗斯人的生命……无论是在俄罗斯境内，还是在俄罗斯境外。
不，谢谢。我不同意我的人民应该为再次拯救这个扭曲的世界而付出生命的代价。适可而止。俄罗斯为了承担起责任并将世界从德国法西斯主义手中拯救出来，已经付出了绝对可怕的巨大代价。还有什么？当今世界谁会欣赏这一点？现在谁还记得我们的英雄，我们人民的自我牺牲被放在共同和平的祭坛上？！只有少数……相反，俄罗斯再次成为“邪恶”，她的人民是“次等人类”，他们的生命毫无代价……俄罗斯士兵、欧洲解放者的纪念碑正在“文明”的欧洲被摧毁和破坏，在波兰、拉脱维亚等国家……现在在乌克兰，美国/纳粹的非法政变得到了欧洲的全力支持……那么，我们应该通过让自己的人民在纳粹乌克兰和现在的叙利亚死去来保护谁？在欧洲拯救谁？我们应该为谁的安全、舒适和福祉买单？野蛮、堕落、不道德的欧洲人？！自恋、自恋的美国人？！
所以，请不要浪费你的时间和精力来说服我。这是没有必要的，也是没有结果的。我已经有了自己稳定的观点——无论是对俄罗斯还是世界上遥远的历史、近期和当前的事件。当然，在俄罗斯，我可以从内部看到事情，而且我不会透过玫瑰色眼镜或在任何方面的宣传“帮助”下看待它们。我只看到我所看到的。我所看到的很可怕……
试图说服我，顿巴斯的人们“可以等待”普京在遥远的地方击败恐怖分子，你还必须说服另外 140 亿俄罗斯人，加上乌克兰和其他地方的数百万俄罗斯人，俄罗斯人和支持者-纳粹乌克兰的俄罗斯乌克兰人“不需要帮助和救援”……也告诉他们这一点！告诉他们，他们必须准备好为俄罗斯在沙漠中的“冒险”付出代价，而不是帮助他们，同时，当他们被乌克兰炮击、射击、撕成碎片和残害时，他们必须保持耐心！……美国决策者财阀可以从冲突一开始，就在乌克兰遭受非常痛苦的个人惩罚。这里那里很多人都这么认为。现在计算一下，只要采取快速而果断的应对措施，就可以挽救顿巴斯有多少人的生命。但普京的选择恰恰相反。他选择在乌克兰投降，并向叙利亚挥舞拳头。多么“聪明”啊！
不管你或其他人会说什么，我已经知道普京要为他不负责任的行为所造成的后果承担重大责任（但是，他会付出代价吗？通常，普通老百姓会付出代价）。前往叙利亚，实际上对俄罗斯可能走向何方以及它可能给世界带来的影响没有任何远见，同时忘记了顿巴斯在他家门口流血，并把俄罗斯自己边境的危险局势抛在一边，这是最愚蠢、最危险的，我见过的冒险且不负责任的决定！我已经清楚，不仅仅是我，这个人没有也不配统治像俄罗斯这样一个伟大、广阔、复杂和富裕的国家。他不配领导俄罗斯人并为他们的名字在世界上发声。他无论自愿还是不自愿——我坚持第一个——已经摧毁了他的前任留下的一切。此外，他做了有史以来最糟糕的事情——他吓跑了我们所有的盟友和友好国家，看看他如何对待自己在俄罗斯的人民和前苏联国家的俄罗斯人，以及他如何轻易背叛其他所有人，他们就不能不再信任俄罗斯，不能再依赖她的权力和好名声。普京毁了这一切。当然，任何头脑清醒的人都不会相信叛徒。当普京“要求”他投降时，巴沙尔·阿萨德很快就会面临这个问题。这位总统的某些作为和某些不作为，由于他软弱的外交和毫无牙齿的政策，使我国和我国人民处于比以往任何时候都更大、更严重的灾难边缘，并使整个世界面临核战争的危险！俄罗斯领土上的内战也在进行中。他在三届总统任期内所犯下的无数且永久性的“失败”和“错误”绝非偶然。所有这一切都是他的奸诈、背信弃义、晦涩、阴暗、破坏性政策的直接结果，我在这里甚至没有提及他最亲密的朋友——超级富有的犯罪分子和寡头圈子。包括查巴德犹太复国主义者贝尔·拉扎尔。人们清楚地认识到普京是俄罗斯乃至全世界的敌人。对于每个不完全愚蠢的人来说，这是显而易见的。对于所有真正热爱俄罗斯并希望看到她和她的人民摆脱腐败权力、安全和幸福的人来说，这是显而易见的。
好吧，这是一个普通俄罗斯人的观点（不过不要太个人化）。而且，作为一个普通的俄罗斯人，我不想让我的国家和我的人民再火中取栗。我认为普京的行为和他的一切行动是极其不负责任的，对俄罗斯本身有害，对世界极其危险。你可能会也可能不会考虑我的意见。只要知道它不是独一无二的东西即可。俄罗斯有很多人确实有相似的想法，而且我们的人数还在不断增加。底线：俄罗斯人已经受够了。如今，俄罗斯周围有太多不怀好意的人，而真正需要孤军奋战的朋友就更少了。我也不建议将所有希望寄托在普京身上。因此，也许现在是其他国家采取行动以避免最坏情况发生的时候了。
Another great informative post:
http://thesaker.is/chess-in-the-age-of-isis/
“In August, the “Financial Times” reported that Israel obtained 75% of its oil supplies from Iraqi Kurdistan. More than a third of such exports go through the port of Ceyhan, which the FT describe as a “potential gateway for ISIS-smuggled crude…“Israel has in one way or another become the main marketer of ISIS oil. Without them, most ISIS-produced oil would have remained going between Iraq, Syria and Turkey. Even the three countries would not receive the oil if they did not have a buyer in Israel,” an industry official told the newspaper “al-Araby al-Jadeed.”
And this is something that would be laughable if not the horrors and rivers of blood produced by the PNAC project in the Middle East.
“We suddenly learn that the majority of Jews around the world are closely related to the Kurdish people — more closely than they are to the Semitic-speaking Arabs or any other population that was tested…. This 2014 “gem” from Dr. Lawrence A. Franklin, Colonel in the USAF Reserve and Military Attaché to Israel: “Most Kurds are Sunni Muslim and one can hear the five-times-a-day Muslim call to prayer, but it is muted and ignored by most…Zako, once the center of Kurdistan’s Jewish population, still invites back descendants of those who long ago left for Zion… For all of the above reasons, Kurdistan reminds one of Israel…”
Natural resources. Mineral wealth. They are the reason for the murderous wars waged by the US/UK/Israel in the Middle East. As for the Holocaust Museum, anti-Nazi’ passions, the “most moral,” and the “beacon of democracy” – these are part of the strictly-business maneuvers. See the fraternization of ziocons with neo-Nazi in Ukraine (with Kagans and Kristols in charge), creation and tender care for ISIS by the US/Israel, and demonization of Russians… The plutocratic “deciders” are not sophisticated at all. They are rather easy to read, which means that they are easy to predict since they are always ready to make the most amoral steps for their personal gains. Considering that the US does not have any mechanisms of accountability any more, the deciders cannot be reigned in from within. There should be zero trust towards the US plutocrats, accompanied by the unstoppable divulging of the parasitoids’ criminal intrigues.
May I respectfully disagree. The above mentioned gentlemen have a quite lopsided “education.” Moreover, the habit of being overly-protected by money and power destroys rational thinking.
Both Spinoza and Wittgenstein gave away their considerable wealth.
你好，取消投票，
I hope you don’t mind me barging in on you and annamarina
I just want you to know that as an American I am very sympathetic to the plight of the peoples of Donbas. I know they’ve been tossed under the bus by geopolitical macro events and they’ve been wronged terribly.
Your people are like the Palestinians, who’ve been marginalized by cynical forces and hard realpolitik.
Before I came here, I tried to make the case for the people of Eastern Ukraine to others and to learn. That’s my point in being here. To get an better understanding and one of the great advantages of a site like this is its wide appeal, and the ability to listen to perspectives like yours.
Anyways while researching it all, I came across a tragic image of a y0ung 23 yr. old mother and her baby that were killed in the senseless violence. It’s gruesome but I showed it to the others so they might feel some sympathy and humanize those people’s plight.
-警告-
it’s horrific what is being done and especially 为什么
世界该地区的苦难和冲突是我国政府蓄意策划的
就像她之前的叙利亚和利比亚，以及伊拉克、阿富汗和巴勒斯坦一样
这一切都是我的政府所为，都是那些沉迷于权力的精神病患者对越来越多权力的疯狂追求，他们的渴望就像海洛因成瘾者一样永远无法满足。
Putin is up against these forces and the way I see it is they’re tying to engage him in a wider conflict that will engulf the entire region and get even more mothers like this killed.
I don’t have the answers. I’m thousands of miles away and am getting my info from the Internet on sites like this. But I do know what’s being done is wrong and evil, and hopefully as we all get a better understanding we can help somehow to slow down the insanity.
you won’t see me trying to defend that lot
but intelligence is not the hallmark of character
lots of rotten scum have brains, but lack decency
and lots of decent folks, are ignorant rubes
您为什么否认生活在乌克兰（以及莫斯科和更东部）的俄罗斯人生活在欧洲的观点？提示——居住在乌克兰和俄罗斯欧洲部分的人是欧洲人。
You wrote, “…he [Putin] scared off all our allies and friendly nations..” – This is a line from western MSM, which has nothing to do with reality; this line does not reflect an opinion of “an average Russian” judging from the strength of popular support for Putin in Russia. “Many people in Russia really think similary and the number of us only grows.” If that were true, the US’ Kagans and Kristols would be elated, since nothing can please them more than a possibility of a divided and weakened Russia.
There are a lot of anger and bitterness in your post, yet you are not eager to join the noble people of Donbas, those that found strength to fight for their homes, families, and traditions. Actually, you use the ongoing tragedy in Ukraine only to express your hatred towards the current RF administration. Overall, your post is rather a well-formulated manifesto of the Fifth column in Russian Federation. You conclude your manifesto with an openly treacherous proclamation: “maybe it’s a time for other nations to do something in order to avoid the worst scenario.” And what are other nations” you want to invite “to do something” in Russia? Do you have Biden in mind? Or you prefer McCain? Whether you wanted it or not, but your puffing about bad Putin at some point got transformed into a desire to have a Russian Maidan. Your thinking is a sweet dream for Nuland-Kagan and such.
A very strange post indeed…
“So maybe it’s a time for other nations to do something in order to avoid the worst scenario.”
Is it what you desire for the Russian Federation? : http://thesaker.is/us-wants-him-so-yatsenyuk-stays/ “US Wants Him So Yatsenyuk Stays”
You see, there were “other nations” (the US and Nuland’s “f—k EU”) that did “something” for Ukraine in order “to avoid” something. Don’t you like the results of the “deeds?”?
暴徒颂歌
作为作者权力幻想的自由协会的文件，本专栏具有一定的吸引力。作为一个知识分子专栏，没有那么多。看来作者很崇拜普京先生。他为什么选择崇拜克格勃暴徒是他自己的事。但这个产品具有幻想的所有特征。缺乏与现实的联系。理想化对象的强化等。
《权力的游戏》就是这种幻想的一个很好的例子。这个专栏就不多说了。
任何将其作为理性思考作品来讨论的尝试都是徒劳的。
我们能很快期待未来出现赞扬金正恩的专栏吗？
取消投票，
我的观点是，帝国在乌克兰和在叙利亚都失败了，尽管许多无辜的人为了击败这些宇宙精神病大师而丧生。
我看过数百张以色列、加拿大、法国、英国和美国（I-CAN-FUKUS）在乌克兰制造战争中死者的照片，并阅读了我能找到的有关这场冲突的大部分内容。这个金融全球化帝国将继续对俄罗斯以及上合组织和金砖国家的其他成员施加压力，直到它们因试图获得全方位主导地位而在金融内爆中熄灭。
Please remember that Putin’s government has achieved a lot since 1999 in improving the Russian nation. From a game theory standpoint Russia is playing a game of GO against the Western leaders. Russia gained the time to recover from the pillaging by the “boys from Harvard” through the blood of millions of Muslims killed in the Middle East and Central Asia and the Yugoslavia wars created by an engineered banking collapse designed to de-Finlandize Yugoslavia (FRY).
根据国际法，俄罗斯已接纳了超过 800,000 万讲俄语的乌克兰人，同时向 DPR/LPR 提供了大量人道主义援助。
我还希望俄罗斯能够采取更多措施消除暴民影响和试图夺回权力的寡头，特别是在LPR中。在清理/清除乌克兰之前，俄罗斯还有很多内务工作要做。和你一样，我希望俄罗斯能够更好地阻止第五纵队的渗透。
最良好的祝愿
I like your abbreviation. I would recommend modifying it slightly to:
ISRAEL-CAN-FUKUS
annamarina, I was impressed by your very reasoned, intelligent and understanding responses to this shady character. To some extent, it was also quite useful to dispel some of the screaming propaganda along the lines of his claims, which I summarised as: Putin tricked us and then he abondaned us. There is quite a lively online propaganda production around this central claim, where professional actors, supposedly Ukrainian Russian speakers with the right kind of accent tell one of the several prepared stories full of bitterness and frustration. If anyone is interested, I will try to find a few of those productions and post them here.
In other words, I am suspicious of such individuals claiming to be Russians from Ukraine and blaming RF for everything, including perhaps the Odessa Massacre as well. Putin organised that one, bombing of apartment buildings inside RF, etc etc. That KGB thug is to blame for everything, so says the Mossad/CIA news service.
Therefore, after answering all those issues he raised in a most reasonable manner whist he persists and keeps repeating and escalating his claims, interpreting your responses in the ways which suit his agenda and so on, may it be the time to move on? Sorry, just a suggestion, because you could contribute much more on other issues.
Thank you. Certain nets are better to be untangled for everybody to see.
There was another curious moment in “unvote” voluble post that I missed in my response to him: he wrote that Putin “scared off all our allies and friendly nations” thus implying that the downing of MH17 was Putin’s fault. It was this viciously propagated accusation of Russians as the culprits in the MH17 tragedy that led to sanctions on Russia from “our allies and friendly nations.” The allusion makes a question mark next to the “unvote”alleged patriotism. But the most interesting part of his manifesto is where he states his belief that Russia could be “saved” only by the US, hence the memorable “maybe it’s a time for other nations to do something in order to avoid the worst scenario.” Perhaps it was the stoppage of income from the US-sposored NGOs that made “unvote”so spectacularly illogical.
同意。
Carefully re-read the post.
Excellent, logic-based debunking of the self-described Russian by [annamarina].
I just happened to notice “unvote’s” peculiar reaction to a Hasbara called Quartermaster, who called Putin and the government in Moscow – the Nazis in Moscow. “unvote’s” reaction was like someone was trying to provoke him, just him to out himself. Most other users would have understood the Q’master as an attack on Russia not on themselves. In other words, Q’master was diverging too much from the “unvote’s” script.
Worthwhile to revisit a story of Khodorkovsky, the darling of the Carlyle group, Rothschilds, and Bushes: http://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html
From comment section of consortium (https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/17/the-danger-after-putin/), by Abe
Khodorkovsky “at the tender age of 40 had risen to become the richest man in Russia worth some $15 billion by fraudulent acquisition of state assets during the lawless Yeltsin era. In an auction run by his own bank, Khodorkovsky paid $309 million for Yukos. In 2003 the same company was assessed as worth $45 billion, and not owing to Khodorkovsky’s management genius.
In 1998, Khodorkovsky had been let free in a US case where he was charged with helping launder $10 billion with his own bank and the Bank of New York. He had very influential friends in the US it appeared […]
With his new billions in effect stolen from the Russian people, he made some powerful friends. He set up a foundation modeled on US billionaire George Soros’ Open Society, calling it the Open Russia Foundation. He invited two powerful Westerners to its board—Henry Kissinger and Jacob Lord Rothschild. Then he set about to develop ties with some of the most powerful circles in Washington where he was named to the Advisory Board of the secretive private equity firm, Carlyle Group where he attended board meetings with fellow advisors such as George H.W. Bush and James Baker III.
However, the real crime that landed Khodorkovsky behind Russian bars was the fact that he was in the middle of making a US-backed coup d’etat to capture the Russian presidency in planned 2004 Russian Duma elections. Khodorkovsky was in the process of using his enormous wealth to buy enough seats in the coming Duma elections that he could change Russian laws regarding ownership of oil in the ground and of pipelines transporting same. In addition he planned to directly challenge Putin and become Russian President. As part of the horse trade that won Putin the tacit support of the wealthy so-called Russian Oligarchs, Putin had extracted agreement that they be allowed to hold on to their wealth provided they repatriate a share back into Russia and provided they not interfere in domestic Russian politics with their wealth. Most oligarchs agreed, as did Khodorkovsky at the time. They remain established Russian businessmen. Khodorkovsky did not.
Moreover, at the time of his arrest Khodorkovsky was in the process of negotiating via his Carlyle friend George H.W. Bush, father of the then-President George W. Bush, the sale of 40% of Yukos to either Condi Rice’s former company, Chevron or ExxonMobil in a move that would have dealt a crippling blow to the one asset left Russia and Putin to use for the rebuilding of the wrecked Russian economy: oil and export via state-owned pipelines to the West for dollars. During the ensuing Russian state prosecution of Yukos, it came to light that Khodorkovsky had also secretly made a contract with London’s Lord Rothschild not merely to support Russian culture via the Open Russia Foundation of Khodorkovsky. In the event of his possible arrest (Khodorkovsky evidently knew he was playing a high-risk game trying to create a coup against Putin) the 40% share of his Yukos stocks would pass into the hands of Lord Rothschild.”
PS: Khodorkovsky’s father was Jewish or “they hate us for our freedoms” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
我在帖子中哪里说过我“邀请其他国家在俄罗斯做点什么”？玛丽娜，你是瞎子吗？或者你只看到你想看到的东西？你能读吗？......而不是拜登和麦凯恩“被我邀请访问俄罗斯以“做某事”，我更希望你停止根据我的评论编造虚构故事并用想象中的特工吓唬自己第五列。
很抱歉让您失望，但我既不是他们的“代理人”，也不是其他任何人的。我的动机截然相反——我的目标是保护我的国家，而不是摧毁它。这就是为什么我与我国的任何破坏者都没有任何共同之处。 理解？？
为什么你不能接受这个简单的事实：这么多人不同意你的观点，并且可以根据他们的知识、第一手信息以及最重要的是他们自己的经验提出不同的意见？有那么难接受吗？
无论如何，我不需要你的说教。我在这里表达我的个人观点，并不期望任何人将自己的观点强加于我，指责我任何事情或建议我必须做什么和去哪里。我也不需要导师。如果你不同意我的观点，那好吧。您有同样的权利在您的评论中表达它，并礼貌地解释您不同意的原因，或者如果您不愿意，则不解释。但不要在公共论坛上与陌生人一起扮演法官、自作聪明者和攻击者的角色。大多数人不喜欢它，我也不喜欢。这是任何民间讨论的规则。其他读者可能会发现我的评论内容丰富，我的观点有道理，并且可能不同意你的观点，而是同意我的观点。
不幸的是，我不能认真对待你和你的言论。我可以清楚地看到你哪里出错以及为什么出错。我多次看到，消息不灵通的人很容易陷入自欺欺人的陷阱，不幸的是他们还试图拖累其他人。可怜他们所有人……对我来说，很明显，你不拥有来自现实生活来源的真实信息。相反，你的一些说法听起来像是直接从西方恐惧俄罗斯的来源窃取的，而你的其他论点听起来好像是从俄罗斯亲克里姆林宫的博客复制的。你的论点与我在俄罗斯从普京的宣传人员那里读到或听到的完全一样，只是你的论点被翻译成英文。你听起来就像是逐字逐句地重复它们，并且完全以同样扭曲、扭曲的方式重复它们，就好像你是从这些博主那里学到的，他们唯一的工作就是说服每个人接受赞助人/赞助商定义的某些特定叙述。
考虑到这一切，我没有兴趣与一个完全缺乏逻辑和自己思想的人讨论任何事情。更不用说不礼貌的行为以及不专心阅读我的帖子，这会导致误解和曲解，甚至是愚蠢的。
哦，差点忘了……我必须为毁了你的幻想生涯而道歉，因为我没有融入你另一个关于我作为俄罗斯迈丹纳的非常有趣的故事。我只是不喜欢饼干，你看……不过，遗憾的是 Nuland-Kagan 太忙了，今天不能来 UNZ 阅读我精彩的宣言……
出色地。以下是您的话：
“Bottom line: the Russians have had enough already. These days Russia has too many ill-wishers around and much less of true friends to fight alone. And I wouldn’t recommend as well to put all your hopes on Putin alone. So maybe 现在是其他国家采取行动的时候了 in order to avoid the worst scenario.”
听起来像是对俄罗斯独立广场的恳求。第五栏是详细的动作。
哦……可怜的你。我明白了——你是在精神病院写的……好吧好吧，如果按照你的说法我是第五纵队，那么你很可能就是夏洛克·福尔摩斯，有着这样的性格 非凡 逻辑能力……我明白了。快点好起来吧，玛丽娜 🙂
Bravo for the improvement. Pretty much sums up the “masters of the Universe” and who is in charge!
感谢您的答复。
我猜你不住在俄罗斯，否则你不会告诉我这个俄罗斯人我自己国家的“进步”和“成就”。我住在这里。你不觉得我因此可以看到更多，了解更多 实际 我自己国家的事态状况比你或任何其他外部观察家都好吗？您的声明摘自媒体来源，我们都清楚媒体来源并不总是按其本来面目呈现事物。
请记住，他们向我们提供的信息和
甜与苦之间的差异就如同甜与苦之间的差异一样。例如，媒体上发布的民意调查永远不会向您显示真实的数字。这始终取决于谁进行民意调查以及最初的目标是什么。
请不要轻信。
只有真实的人，普通的居民，简单的工人，父母，老人，才能告诉你他们生活中什么是真实的，什么只是宣传、伪造和谎言。所以，作为一名俄罗斯普通居民，我现在告诉你，普京政府没有做出任何改善。反之亦然。普京执政已长达15年之久。如果你真的想要的话，现在有足够的时间来改进你想要的任何东西。以斯大林为例，只需要 5！ 几年不仅使国家从二战废墟中完全恢复，而且使俄罗斯成为超级大国！
而今天我们看到了什么？它“实现”了什么？这是俄罗斯面临自苏联解体以来最严重的危机并且发现自己处于真正灾难和战争边缘的成就吗？更不用说其余的了……这是一个“改进？？？”
另外，请记住，盒子表面上可见的东西并不总是可以告诉您盒子里面有什么。要找出那里有什么，您必须打开盒子。
也向你致以最美好的祝愿。
我认为这个网站的读者有点落后了。如果俄罗斯在叙利亚“失败”或“软弱”，那么美国突然迁就阿萨德的原因是什么？
美国“建制派”并不邪恶，它只是活在过去，而且建制派中有太多人对俄罗斯抱有冷战遗留下来的敌意和猜疑。此外，他们对政权更迭的“热情”同样是基于他们开放边界自由主义的幼稚天真。在中东，美国已经失败、被殴打、被羞辱、被嘲笑、被抹黑，并让美国流了数万亿的血，却没有任何结果。对于过去的共和党候选人来说，说出这样的话是不可想象的。但今天特朗普说了这句话，实际上提高了他的民调支持率。
用丘吉尔的话来说，俄罗斯“并不像看起来那么强大，也不像看起来那么弱”。俄罗斯远没有那么摇摇欲坠和虚弱，而苏联正处于权力的“顶峰”（这种权力大多是想象的，掩盖了8年油价暴跌至每桶1986美元时显现出来的真正弱点）。今天的俄罗斯能够承受这些冲击，因为俄罗斯现在是一个半市场经济体，实际上与西方债务负担沉重的经济体相比，它的监管非常不受监管。大多数生活在苏联的人会对 2015 年俄罗斯的生活水平感到惊讶（尽管按照美国或德国的标准，俄罗斯仍然是一个贫穷的国家）。
俄罗斯和西方有着三个世纪的猜疑和敌意。现在任何试图为这两个“区块”找到共同点或协议的人都会遇到这个事实。西方利用穆斯林“演员”来联合起来对抗俄罗斯已经是老生常谈了。了解英国人如何不断利用奥斯曼土耳其人来对抗俄罗斯，同时又自称“基督徒”（19 世纪）。没有什么能打败维多利亚时代英国人的帝国主义虚伪。现在的不同之处在于，“圣战主义”现在已经出现在巴黎和华盛顿的街头，这吓坏了普通西方选民（这种恐惧是否完全合理是另一回事）。这种恐惧加上欧洲逊尼派穆斯林麻烦制造者数量的不断增加，将使欧洲和俄罗斯更加接近（美国最终可能会效仿，因为它别无选择）。开放边界将会产生“奇怪”的后果。
Russia is fighting for its survival. It can’t afford to lose this fight . The differences from earlier wars for survival lie in that the nation,countries,institutions and even the families of disparate countries are now connected ,related,and interdependent in many ways . Ths means wars will be always fought on spaces that are fluid geographically ,ideologically,and exhibit moving or interlocking financial interests with the foes
. Only nation with the delusion that it can bridge those gaps or ignore those gaps and rewrite laws every few days and issue new contracts every few months to transcend those intricacies for self serving will embark on war directly or by proxy as solution. America is that delusional power .
It can establish relation with Al Quida, destroy it mercilessly with all sorts of expanded collateral damages and then again decide to work with the remnants of the old AlQuida to wreck havock on non- enemy countries with equal or more devastating collateral damages because the emerging situation from previous chaos warrants so.
感谢您上次回复的简洁。
You wrote: ““Bottom line: the Russians have had enough already. … And I wouldn’t recommend as well to put all your hopes on Putin alone. 因此，也许现在是其他国家采取行动以避免最坏情况的时候了设立的区域办事处外，我们在美国也开设了办事处，以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“
A simple question: What are the “other nations” and what is this “something” that these “other nations” need to do with regard to Russia?
你好鲁里克，
你的绰号挺有趣……我不知道你的血统有没有可能追溯到俄罗斯沙皇留里克王朝？ 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik_dynasty
非常感谢您的评论和支持。这确实让我感到宽慰，我很高兴知道美国有人仍然关心顿巴斯正在发生的事情（顿巴斯也是正确的 - Донецкий бассейн/Donetskiy Bassein/Donets Basin）。
我非常熟悉这张照片......母亲和婴儿......都被乌克兰炮弹的弹片杀死......很多人对这场悲剧深感震惊，戈尔洛夫卡镇年轻的母亲和她一岁的女儿被谋杀。与此同时，她的丈夫也被杀了……全家。绝对不必要的死亡。令人心碎的悲剧......这张照片成为标志性的，揭露了针对无辜人民的邪恶战争的高潮，以及我们曾经的“兄弟国家”乌克兰人的无限仇恨、无法无天、有罪不罚、残忍、不人道和大规模疯狂。
是的，这太可怕了。绝对令人震惊。而且绝对出乎意料。尤其是对于那些非常了解这个地区、至少去过那里一次或在那里生活了多年的人……更不用说对于目前在那里的所有人了。我可以继续告诉你比你在互联网上找到的更多的信息，因为我与顿巴斯有着深厚而牢固的联系和个人联系。我在那里住了一段时间，我的亲戚和我的亲密朋友仍然住在那里。虽然我的亲戚非常幸运，因为当地民兵部队从乌克兰占领者手中解放了他们的城市，但我的好朋友仍然留在另一个被乌克兰纳粹营占领的城市，那里的当地人命运悲惨，掠夺不断。是其他不可告人的罪行中最无害的。绑架、酷刑、谋杀、强奸每天都在发生！现在我为我的朋友担心，因为我已经一个多月没有收到他的任何回复了。他老婆也不联系我。我不知道该怎么想，而且我没有任何其他方式联系他们。我不再能拜访他们，因为我是俄罗斯公民——我现在是“敌人”……对于乌克兰惩罚者来说，我是“恐怖分子”！我什至不敢去想我的朋友会发生什么。但我仍在等待，希望并期待着有一天能听到他的消息……
至于普京……顿巴斯人民无法理解为什么他们和他们的孩子在近两年的时间里必须有数万人丧生，他们有什么罪孽？他们的人生到底是为了什么而被毁掉的？谁有如此“超凡的、上帝般的”权利来定义谁的生命有价值，谁的生命不有价值，并决定谁可以生存，谁不能生存？这些是他们在炮击下死去之前向我们、在俄罗斯的俄罗斯人和普京提出的问题……如果普京在 2014 年 XNUMX 月代表俄罗斯不会公开承诺向这些人提供一切帮助和支持包括军队、俄罗斯维和人员，顿巴斯到时候很可能不会起义那么猛烈。但是，由于俄罗斯总统明确表示俄罗斯将提供帮助，而且他不止一次而是多次强调，顿巴斯的人们当然将其视为担保人本人的担保，作为正式声明。他们相信他。
每个人都意识到，只有俄罗斯人才能拯救这些人，实际上是我们的人民。除了俄罗斯之外，没有其他人有能力保护他们，将他们从恐怖和死亡中拯救出来。只有俄罗斯可以做到这一点。他们是俄罗斯人民，我们的兄弟姐妹，和我们任何人一样！那么他们为什么要死呢？如果普京允许发生的事情不是背叛，那它是什么？
最近制作了一部关于这种背叛的纪录片。它的标题就是——简单明了——“背叛”。我正在发布一个链接。不幸的是它只有俄语，还没有英语字幕。
再次感谢你，留里克，你有一颗博大的心……与其他人不同。我无法建议你们，美国人，你们应该对你们疯狂的政府做什么，但我真的希望你们能做点什么。为了你自己，也为了这个星球上的我们其他人。我们不能让这些高级罪犯、战争贩子和Zio撒旦主义者为我们决定我们是生还是死！
最好的祝愿。
同意
不完全正确。取决于如何定义“生活水平”，以及到底哪些东西是最重要的、最本质的、最重要的、是绝大多数人负担得起的。如果你用大多数人能买得起的某些产品的数量来衡量生活质量，比如电脑、iPhone 和其他新设备和技术，那么是的，今天我们拥有它们，而苏联人民没有所有这些东西。但这只是因为它们当时不存在。
然而，如果你衡量医疗保健、就业、教育等方面的生活水平，那将是不同的衡量标准，因此会产生不同的结果。在苏联，教育对所有人免费，医疗保健和治疗对所有人免费，人人都有工作保障，零失业率，国家免费为所有人提供新公寓，零无家可归者，人人每年可享受25-30天的带薪长假。 、免费的水疗疗养院和许多其他好东西，要么完全免费，要么非常便宜，因此每个人都负担得起。
没有人会争辩说，社会供给的所有这些组成部分和原则对于生活来说都是至关重要的，而且非常重要——工作、医疗保健、住房、教育等等……苏联可以毫无例外地为所有公民提供所有这些。出生动态比死亡动态稳定较高。这就是我认为真正的 高 生活水平。今天的俄罗斯也有同样的情况吗？不，我们当然不这样做。所有这些美好又实惠的东西都随着苏联一起消失了。今天，我们面临着失业、无家可归、疾病激增、吸毒和酗酒、死亡率与出生率稳步上升、一切都非常昂贵以及许多其他一点也不美好的事情，将它们全部列出来就太长了。
因此，我不会说“大多数生活在苏联的人会对 2015 年俄罗斯的生活水平感到惊讶”。相反，我们今天嫉妒我们的父母和祖父母在苏联所拥有的一切。
Remember that in the heyday of the USSR—i.e. the ’50s, ’60s, and ’70s—the 全球化 经济也增长得更快，事情普遍存在于更现实的基础上。当时西方国家的债务状况看起来并不像现在那么严峻，技术进步和有利的人口结构的结合意味着世界已经为高生活水平做好了准备。
That whole era is pretty much over now. Post-Soviet Russia has had to engineer its “recovery” amidst an atmosphere of stagnant or declining global growth.
“In other words, I am suspicious of such individuals claiming to be Russians from Ukraine and blaming RF for everything, including perhaps the Odessa Massacre as well.”
FWIW, Kiza, I believe you are right to be “suspicious” of the poster who describes himself “an average Russian,” supposedly, as I recall, from the Donbass originally but now living in Russia. I base my doubts on the quality of his English prose. It is much too fluid and fluent to be the written English of anyone other than a native born speaker and writer of English. There are many Europeans who display a remarkable facility in languages, but I have found even a foreigner with the best command of spoken English will have a slight trace of an accent, which betrays his foreignness. In the same way, even foreigners who write excellent English will, every so often, use a phrase or form of English whose clumsiness will give away the foreign origin of the writer. I find little or no trace of such awkward English in his writings. I may be wrong, but I would bet the poster is not who he says he is. Same conclusion as you but a different ground. Again, fwiw.
I had exactly the same suspicion, for the same reason, tbraton.
Thanks for the confirmation, geokat62. I appreciate it. I feel like the little Danish kid who had the temerity to say out loud “But he isn’t wearing anything at all!” Not that I am implying in any way that unvote posts naked. I think Russia is too cold this time of year to engage in such behavior. BTW I want to make it clear that I agree with Kiza’s assessment of annamarina’s posts. She obviously is much more familiar with Russia than I, and my little contribution pales in comparison to her substantive analysis. As I said earlier, same conclusion, different ground.
嘿取消投票，
谢谢你的回复
No direct lineage to the Tsar’s dynasty, but definitely of Varangian blood.
好的、公平的问题
这里有些人质疑你作为俄罗斯人的真实性。为了我们的谈话方便，我将假定您是无罪的。部分是因为我 想 you to be a Russian from that region. Because we have such a dearth of voices from there, and we need them. Also so far I’ve read nothing from the substance of your posts that would convince me otherwise, even if your English skills are impressive to say the least.
First off, I am somewhat aware of the reasons for the strife in that area. The historic animosities that go back to the second world war, the Holodomor and the mistreatment of ethnic Ukrainians (and Russians!) during the Soviet period. And then the statues to the Red Army and men like Lenin and Stalin and so forth that the people of the satellite states have bristled under for generations. Also the import of ethic Russians into places where they historically have not lived. (I’m not too sure about Ukraine, but this has happened in Estonia for instance, and there is strife there as a result)
我知道一点点。诚然很少
Now to today. The West is as your know is under the thrall of a Zio-Fiend. A demonic force that is using it to destroy every obstacle to Zionism’s Orwellian domination of the planet and its people. I’m sure you’d agree. Now if we look at history, we don’t have to go back that far to when the Zionists had another authoritarian popular leader in its crosshairs just like they have Putin today.
希特勒
So they cynically refused to allow Hitler to use a corridor to the Germans in Danzig who were being abused and murdered. Much like the Zionists are using the Nazis today in Kyiv to murder the ethnic Russians in Donbass, at least as I see it. They want a wider war between Russia and Ukraine. That’s what people like Kolomoisky are trying to foment, it seems to me.
What do you think of that guy Kolomoisky. Or Saakashvili? Kolomoisky is an uber-Zionist and Saakashvili is Senator John McCain’s stooge, and they’re over there trying to foment war. They too hate Putin, but not, it seems for the same reasons you do.
So anyways that is why many people belive that Putin is hanging those people out to dry. Because he knows the Zio-fiends want to foist a larger war. And as you know, the Nazis in Kiev are all too willing. They’re pissed at what they perceive as generations of oppression, from the Holodomor right on through to the fall of the Berlin wall and including the corrupt regimes that have led Ukraine ever since.
(I’m sort of winging this reply and my thoughts are disjointed to be sure)
（而且我的英语水平不如你；）
So now we have the nationalistic Ukrainians on one side and the Russians who’ve lived along side them all this time on the other. Mostly just common folk trying to get by. The people who were burned alive in that building in Odessa and that young women and her baby are all tragic victims of the evil scum like John McCain and Nuland who are funding and arming and foisting this war to get at Putin for thwarting their designs in Syria. (IMHO)
现在希望它正在慢慢平静下来。
I’m an American and have extremely limited knowledge of and no direct agenda in that part of the world except that I hate to see innocent people slaughtered and harmed for the fun and profit of scumbags like Netanyahu and Sheldon Adelson. Those are the people I’m disgusted with. And these are the people Putin is trying to navigate a peace with- but they want war. So it’s tough, as far as I can see.
In the past I’ve said what they did to Hitler was played him like a ‘rope a dope’ to get him to attack Poland and thereby pounce. And this is what it seems to me that they’re tying to do to Putin.
I’m absolutely certain that Putin would like to help the people of Donbass more. Why wouldn’t he? He sends arms and supplies and humanitarian aid. But Kolomoisky is desperate for a pretext for war to kill Russians (and get Ukrainians killed too. A win, win for Kolomoisky) They already blamed him for MH17 and they’re not rational (and they own and control the entire governments and media of the West)
因此，在我看来，这是一个可怕的困境。
俄罗斯族和乌克兰族有什么机会像第一次世界大战时那样达成圣诞休战、踢足球并让战争贩子滚蛋呢？
That’s what I’d like to see, but then I may be very naïve, being so far away from it all, both geographically and emotionally and historically and culturally.
尽管如此…
Thanks for your detailed request to unvote to share knowledge rather than just rant. I to have my doubts about unvote’s understanding of Russia and the situation in Donbass.
The recent attacks on the authors appear to be devised to disrupt the dialogue. I even wonder if some of them are “deep state” plants who try to identify security risks. Police in the US use similar methods to catch criminals, especially pedophiles.
Should we all just ignore them and continue to learn from each other?
there seems to be a kneejerk reflex to question the motives of people who post here (and presumably elsewhere)
when I first arrived at this site I was hounded as a ‘Hasbara’. I guess because I was saying things that upset the Zionists and that was proof I was actually a paid troll for the Zionists. Or something like that.
So yes, there is a general suspicion and I suppose it’s often warranted. Recently I had a nice conversation with a fellow who called himself “Christian”, but clearly was anything but. So it’s good to have your antenna tweaked, but sometimes I fear it can be a little too tweaked.
As for unvote, I don’t know. But I’m willing to give the benefit of doubt. So far the only thing I’ve seen that is confusing is his very polished command of the English language. But look at someone like Kissinger. He was raised in Germany but his command of the English language (and several others) is superlative.
Hopefully I’m right about unvote and I look forward to his response.
你好鲁里克，
对于我迟到的回复，我深表歉意。无法早点回复。其实我想说的都已经说了。是否考虑我的评论以及是否相信我，取决于读者。我希望，我的评论能够帮助他们中的一些人消除一些疑虑，并证实他们自己的猜测和猜测，也许与我的想法和结论是一致的。
看到这里的一些评论者如何相互讨论我是谁以及我是否真的是来自俄罗斯的真正俄罗斯人，这真的很有趣，哦，也很有趣。 “他的英语对外国人来说太流利、太自然了”的说法也许有一定道理，但我认为在定义一个人时并不是很重要，而且我认为，仅凭语言能力很难成为一个好人。有足够的理由怀疑某人不诚实或虚构。在我看来，这仍然不是一个适当的“证据”。有时，一个人必须能够“用心”或“在字里行间”阅读，并通过文字进行某种“感觉”，而不是仅仅基于自己的怀疑、先入为主和偏见来阅读和得出结论。需要一些直觉，一些经验也会有帮助。
大多数长期活跃在英语论坛的外国评论者通常都具有与我相同的技能，这是很常见的事情。至于俄罗斯人，其实很多人的英语都说得相当流利，尤其是那些做合作生意或者在英语国家有朋友的人，因此经常交流。更不用说一些必须具备完美英语知识的职业了。西方人对真正的俄罗斯人知之甚少，但他们总是更愿意低估他们的能力和智力，而不是假设我们并不都是这里的“酒鬼”和“白痴”，就像你们的媒体和你们通常描绘的那样。好莱坞……我敢说，我们很多人都受过良好的教育并且足够聪明。就我而言——教育加实践，再加上一点天赋——仅此而已。对我来说，这个论坛上所有关于我的身份和可信度的奇怪争论只是证实……苏联的教育体系确实是世界上最好的教育体系之一的又一个理由。我在普通学校学习了十年英语，这确实是一所普通学校，只是比其他当地学校有更复杂的更深入的英语语言学习课程，但它仍然绝对是典型的苏联学校，而不是某些学校特权或精英人士。我什至没有任何外语专业学位，而且我的职业生涯也与英语无关……考虑到这一切，我不得不说，我真的受宠若惊。我实际上知道我的英语并没有那么糟糕，但我不知道它真的那么好。对我来说，这里没有人相信我是一个真正的俄罗斯人，而且这个建议是基于我流利的英语，这实际上是我能梦想到的最好的赞美……另一方面，发现这一点对我来说有点侮辱有些人可能会认为，拥有这样的语言能力，我“太好了”，不可能成为俄罗斯人。不，我根本不是什么“非凡”的人……有趣的是，在其他一些判断中，我受到了彻底的审查，然后被发现对于成为我国的真正爱国者来说“太糟糕了”。是的，他们比我更了解我自己……在一些评论中，我什至“指责俄罗斯联邦敖德萨大屠杀”……我。责备。我的。自己的。国家..在敖德萨..大屠杀——大规模焚烧人民实际上是乌克兰新纳粹暴徒所为！还有什么比这更荒唐、更毫无根据的指控呢？
好吧，我很聪明，没有给他们进一步侮辱我的机会。也许他们只是一群巨魔，或者也许是一些冲突或寻求关注的人，我不知道，说实话，也不想知道。与那些自以为是的“意义”、对自己的“知识”和“无误的权威”如此自信，而实际上却知之甚少、只看到全局的一小部分的人进行“斗争”是毫无意义的。 。他们不相信我，我并不感到惊讶。这种反应其实是意料之中的，因为像我这样的观点在西方肯定缺乏理解，俄罗斯、俄罗斯人、普京和他的政府被认为是完全扭曲的。西方人根本无法像我们从内部看到的那样了解俄罗斯的真实情况，他们不知道这里日常生活的所有细节和细微差别，他们常常忽视真正的问题，最重要的是，由于普京的奸诈政策，我们面临的真正威胁。在普通西方人中，没有多少人完全意识到普京实际上是他的前任——叛徒和西方傀儡鲍里斯·叶利钦的真正追随者。而且政策还是一样的——欺骗、奸诈和破坏性，对那些在俄罗斯表现得像寄生虫一样的小偷和叛徒有利，而被盗的钱却不断流入他们在西方银行的账户。西方美好而安静的定居点——这是他们希望躲藏以逃避惩罚的地方，就像“真正的爱国者”戈尔巴乔夫一样……我在评论中提到，很大一部分俄罗斯人也有同样的担忧并非常认真地对待当前的情况。最近在莫斯科举行了一次由爱国力量组成的大型会议——科学家、政治专家和其他活动家，他们的决议是，普京和他的恶意政策对俄罗斯及其人民来说变得极其危险，应该改变为更加积极的制度，以另一种方式。 “拯救”政策，如果我们真的想拯救俄罗斯。
那些与我就这个话题争论的人只看到他们想看到的东西。但他们的“真相”大多数时候与现实毫无共同之处。最糟糕的是，这些人经常假装“关心”，而实际上他们并不像他们假装的那么关心……我在这个论坛上的目的只是说出我认为我应该说的话。想听的人就会听到。我绝对不想在说服任何人时精疲力尽，尤其是那些毫无根据、毫无道理地攻击我、将所有“罪孽”归咎于我的自作聪明的蠢货，而他们自己却如此顽固地捍卫自己的妄想和偏见。我只知道真相最终会击中他们，而且是痛苦的、非常痛苦的。
你知道吗……如果你真的想获得替代的、非英语的信息来源，我建议你学习俄语。你会阅读、观看和分析真正的俄罗斯人的想法和言论。我们拥有非常强大的博客圈、社交网络和论坛，以及特定的群体，真实的人们不仅可以分享他们的观点和意见，还可以分享非常重要的“非官方”信息。您可以在这里找到许多问题的答案。你会发现，美国人和俄罗斯人实际上没有什么可区分的，我们有同样的问题和同样的需求，而且你们和我们都有我们要对抗的同一个敌人。事实是——“我们都在同一条船上”。不是单独的。你和我们都被我们的统治精英背叛了——被那些腐败的、贪婪的、贪婪的、不道德的、恶毒的、无情的、疯狂的、恶魔般的“棋手”和他们的走狗背叛了……现在确实是全世界所有国家的关键时刻。人类应该联合起来对抗这些寄生虫，而不是不断地关注那些人为分裂我们的东西。
再次，我对我的延迟回复感到抱歉。希望您仍然可以阅读它。
最好的祝愿。