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“……我们很可能认为 Covid 来自实验室(并且)被设计为生物武器……中国是预期目标(并且)美国似乎是袭击的可能来源……最有可能的嫌疑人是流氓我们国家安全机构的要素……该病毒及其传播装置可能是从 Ft. 获得的。 德特里克和中央情报局特工……会被派往武汉释放它。” Ron Unz,编辑 Unz评论; 从正文

问题1 – 是什么让您关于 SARS-CoV-2 起源的理论如此有争议,并不是因为它表明病原体是在实验室中创造的,而是事实上,它是一种生物武器,是美国特工在起诉秘密时故意释放的对美国假定的敌人发动战争。 这是您文章中的“金钱报价”,标题为, “美国真理报:乔治奥威尔的病毒实验室泄漏”:

“……我们很可能认为 Covid 来自实验室,并且很有可能将其设计为生物武器,但我们缺乏严重的迹象表明发生了任何实验室泄漏。 因此,如果最初的武汉爆发是由于部署了一种强大的生物武器而不是从任何实验室意外泄漏的生物武器,那么中国肯定是预定目标,受害者而不是肇事者……

鉴于我们与中国的持续军事和地缘政治对抗,美国似乎是袭击的可能来源……最有可能的嫌疑人将是我们国家安全机构的流氓分子,可能是特朗普将其置于政府高层附近的一些深州新保守派.

这一小撮高级密谋者然后会利用美国国家安全机构的资源来实际开展行动。 该病毒及其传播装置可能是从 Ft. 德特里克和中央情报局的特工或特种部队成员会被派往武汉释放它…… 实际上,发生的事情是 Strangelove 博士类型的场景,但被带到了现实生活中。” (“美国真理报:乔治奥威尔的病毒实验室泄漏”, 朗恩兹, Unz评论)

那么,问题来了:您认为最近的事态发展为您的爆炸性理论提供了可信度,还是您现在认为 Covid-19 只是由于人为错误而“意外”泄露的?

罗恩·恩兹—— 殊不知,过去一个月来,整个关于新冠肺炎疫情的“主流叙事”被彻底颠覆。 就在几周前,任何暗示该病毒是人造的都被谴责和嘲笑为“阴谋论者”,任何此类言论都被 Facebook 自动禁止。

但正是这些同样被禁止的想法现在被媒体和政治机构的主要人物广泛接受和推广。 这位在纽约时报工作 45 年的资深人士现在承认他完全错了,该病毒可能来自实验室。 XNUMX 亿 Facebook 用户现在可以公开讨论这种可能性。

长期科学记者尼古拉斯·韦德 (Nicholas Wade) 自行发表的 11,000 字文章导致了这种“天然病毒”宣传泡沫的彻底崩溃。 然而令人惊讶的是,他在文章中引用的关键事实几乎没有一个是新的。 韦德几乎所有的重要证据都公开了整整一年,但我们整个政治和媒体机构都忽视了这一点,部分原因是特朗普采取了这一立场,他们都讨厌特朗普。

So 病毒可能来自实验室。 但现在的问题变成了“哪个实验室?” 正如 MSM 宣传的完全没有根据的信念一样,Covid 是自然的, MSM 现在开始宣传同样未经证实的观点,即 Covid 意外从中国武汉病毒研究所泄露。 然而,任何此类武汉实验室泄漏的证据都非常薄弱,几乎看不见。

确实,那个实验室的中国研究人员正在试验相关的蝙蝠病毒,但许多美国研究人员也在做非常相似的实验,几十年来,蝙蝠病毒也一直是美国庞大的生物战计划的中心焦点。

武汉是一个拥有 11 万人口的大都市,比纽约市大得多,武汉实验室距离华南海鲜批发市场 20 英里(!),华南海鲜批发市场是武汉爆发的最早震中。 20 英里的距离对于意外的实验室泄漏来说似乎很远。

武汉最初爆发后,该病毒立即开始感染伊朗的最高政治精英,并杀死了其中的一些人。 武汉的一次随机实验室泄漏会如此迅速地蔓延到世界另一端的圣城库姆,这难道不是令人难以置信的吗?

爆发时间的许多其他方面似乎与随机、意外的实验室泄漏非常不一致。

直到几周前,MSM 和 Facebook 关闭了任何不同意“自然病毒”理论的人,尽管人工病毒的证据一直要强得多。 他们现在说“哎呀! 我们错了。 病毒很可能来自实验室。” 所以我认为他们现在将更难关闭关于哪个实验室的任何辩论。

一旦人们意识到病毒的基本事实,相信它是 人造的 自然很快就崩溃了。 和 一旦人们意识到最初 Covid 爆发的基本事实,我认为实验室意外泄漏的信念也将开始瓦解。

问题2 –你似乎已经预料到我的下一个问题,但我还是会继续问下去。 在你的另一篇文章中,你是这样说的:

“随着冠状病毒逐渐开始蔓延到中国境外,另一个事态发展大大增加了我的怀疑。 这些早期病例中的大多数都发生在与中国接壤的东亚国家中。 但到 XNUMX 月下旬,伊朗已成为全球爆发的第二个震中。 更令人惊讶的是,其政治精英受到的打击尤其严重, 整个伊朗议会的整整 10% 很快被感染,至少有十几名官员和政治家死于这种疾病,其中包括一些相当资深的人。 事实上,推特上的新保守派激进分子开始兴高采烈地指出,他们憎恨的伊朗敌人现在像苍蝇一样坠落。

让我们考虑一下这些事实的含义。 在全世界,唯一遭受重大人员伤亡的政治精英是伊朗的政治精英,他们很早就去世了,甚至在中国以外的世界其他任何地方几乎都没有发生重大疫情之前。 因此,我们看到美国在 2 月 XNUMX 日暗杀伊朗最高军事指挥官,然后就在几周后,伊朗统治精英的大部分被一种神秘而致命的新病毒感染,其中许多人很快因此死亡。 任何理性的人都可能认为这只是巧合吗?”

我的问题是这样的: 这是吸烟枪吗? 换句话说,这两次对美国敌人的“攻击”是否强烈暗示了华盛顿的介入?

罗恩·恩兹—— 好吧,对于那些声称全球 Covid 爆发是由中国武汉偶然的、随机的实验室泄漏病毒引起的人来说,这当然是一个*极端*的巧合。

伊朗与中国在世界的另一端,很少有中国人去圣城库姆。 因此,Covid 病毒会如此迅速地从武汉实验室泄漏事件蔓延到伊朗最高政治领导层,后者遭受了下一次重大爆发,这非常奇怪。

几周后,第三次世界大爆发在意大利北部开始,但有 200,000 万中国人在该地区生活和工作,许多人刚从中国的农历新年假期回来。 相比之下,库姆的华人人口绝对可以忽略不计。 意大利的爆发完全合乎逻辑,而库姆的爆发则不然。

这些都不构成证据,但它对随机实验室泄漏假设的可能性提出了极大的怀疑。 相比之下, 故意释放病毒生物武器似乎是对这两次爆发的更合理的解释。

美国拥有世界上最大、最全面的生物战计划,美国的两个主要国际对手——中国和伊朗——几乎同时受到了一种神秘的致命病毒的袭击。 怀疑似乎指向了一个非常明显的方向。

如果纽约市的科伦坡犯罪家族与吉诺维斯家族发生了激烈的争执,并且发现后者的两个变调员在 24 小时内被枪杀,也许他们都突然决定自杀。 但大多数明智的观察者也会倾向于考虑其他可能性。

问题3 – 在您发表爆炸性文章后不久,美国英特尔特工可能参与了在中国和伊朗人民中发布 Covid-19 的活动,您的网站被谷歌取消平台并在 Facebook 上被禁止? 您能否简要解释一下发生的事情,并告诉我们您是否认为您涉嫌的罪行是:

1 – 暗示 SARS-CoV-2 是在实验室中创建的?
2- 或者,暗示华盛顿可能已将 SARS-CoV-2 用作针对其地缘政治对手的生物武器?

在我看来,统治精英并不真正关心人们是否认为 Covid 是人造的。 他们担心的是,人们会认为它是故意发布的。 那是他们不想让我们思考的想法。

罗恩·恩兹—— 显然,这一切纯属推测。 但是六年来,我们的网站一直在发布各种关于各种不同主题的极具争议的文章,而且我们在 Facebook 或 Google 上从未遇到过任何问题。

然后在 2020 年 XNUMX 月下旬,我发表了我的第一篇长篇文章,列出了大量证据表明全球 Covid 爆发可能是由于美国对中国(和伊朗)的生物战袭击造成的,并且该文章在早期获得了非常高的流量,更多的 Facebook前几天的喜欢比我以前发布的任何东西都多。

但是, 运行大约十天后,我们的网站突然被 Facebook 禁止。 几天后,我们的整个网站都被谷歌降级了,所以我们所有的网页都会出现在谷歌搜索的最底部附近 几乎没有人会看到他们。 这些行动的巧合时间似乎非常可疑。

那时,我认为我们是被 Facebook 禁止的最受欢迎的网站之一。 例如,我们的访问量远远超过了令人尊敬的新共和国(New Republic),该刊物已有百年历史,几十年来一直是美国最具影响力的舆论杂志。 尽管 Facebook 确实发布了一份解释当月禁令的官方报告,但几乎没有提及我们的名字,几乎所有讨论页面都针对格鲁吉亚、毛里塔尼亚或缅甸的晦涩外国网站,或位于美国主要地缘政治对手(如俄罗斯或俄罗斯)的网站。伊朗。 该报告解释了禁止 VDARE 的原因,“一个以发布反移民内容而闻名的网站”,然后又以“类似”为由禁止了我们自己的网站。

这个解释看起来很奇怪。 我们确实会定期重新发布 VDARE 文章,但自 2020 年初以来,这些仅占我们 41 篇文章和帖子中的 1,751 篇,仅占我们内容的 0.2%,而且这些 VDARE 文章中几乎没有与移民有关。 同时, 对于我们突然从他们的搜索结果中清除,谷歌根本没有提供任何解释。

Facebook 和谷歌的突然清除似乎可能是由于我们在过去几个月中对 Covid 的广泛报道,在我的主要文章中达到了高潮。 在英文网站中,绝大多数主流媒体都在报道该病毒显然是天然的,并谴责任何暗示它来自实验室的人都是“疯狂的阴谋论者”。

与此同时,大量右翼、反华或亲特朗普的网站经常声称新冠病毒的爆发是由于武汉的实验室泄漏造成的,有时甚至暗示该病毒是一种中国生物武器。 我认为我们几乎独自关注美国庞大且有据可查的生物战计划, 有时发表在其他地方被拒绝的重要文章,并指向那个方向的怀疑。

因为我们被 Facebook 和谷歌禁止,本来应该成为关于 Covid 三种起源可能性的辩论——自然病毒、中国病毒或美国病毒——变成了前两者之间长达一年的辩论。

鉴于 Covid 流行病对美国和世界其他地区产生了巨大的负面影响, 很容易理解,如果人们只是开始考虑病毒可能是由美国政府实验室生产的,更不用说故意释放的,那么为什么我们的政治领导层会非常担心。 说服 Facebook 和谷歌阻止这些理论是完全有道理的。

问题4 – 你的理论有一部分我有问题。 你说:“中央情报局特工或特种部队成员(可能)已被派往武汉释放”(病毒)这可能是真的,但你为什么排除中国科学家可能与他们的美国秘密合作的可能性?同行(巴里克、福奇?)或者中国领导人正在与外国精英和情报机构合作,帮助他们在自己的国家实施威权政策? 这是否太牵强,你甚至无法考虑?

罗恩·恩兹—— 好吧,一切皆有可能,但根本没有证据证明这一点。

鉴于美国和中国政府最近之间的极端敌意,我认为两国的任何高级官员都不太可能在幕后秘密合作发布新冠病毒。

由于特朗普政府在春季的大部分时间里都声称中国“掩盖”了疫情,我们顶级媒体的大型调查记者团队花了数周的时间来追查事实。 根据所有现有证据,中国政府直到 XNUMX 月底才发现这种神秘的、毫无疑问的新病毒的存在,并几乎立即通知了世界卫生组织。

一旦中国人意识到 Covid 具有高度传染性并在武汉各地蔓延,他们的反应非常迅速。 一些地方官员试图无视或最小化问题,花费了他们大约一周的时间,但中央政府一旦发现危险,迅速下令大规模公共卫生措施,封锁整个 11 万城市,并很快将封锁扩大到整个地区,然后是整个国家,将 700 亿中国人限制在家中数周。 这让他们彻底消灭了病毒,几个月内,这个国家几乎恢复了正常。

与此同时,美国政府大多忽视了整个潜在问题和病毒回到美国的可能性。我们的疾控中心搞砸了检测试剂盒的生产,所以好几个星期我们都无法知道病毒是否开始在这里传播. 特朗普和他的支持者一厢情愿,声称该病毒并不危险,可能会“像魔法一样”消失。 在意大利北部爆发可怕的疫情后,美国政府才开始认真对待这个问题。

由于美国政府在整个期间严厉谴责中国,并对他们的新冠疫情反应如此不同,我认为美国和中国领导人不太可能共同策划新冠疫情或以任何方式秘密合作。

另一方面,中国科学家和美国科学家多年来一直在病毒研究方面合作,并共同发表论文,这当然是真的。 但世界各地的科学家都是如此,直到最近几年,中国和美国的关系总体上还是相当友好的。 我认为美国 NIH 为武汉实验室的病毒研究提供一些资金并不特别令人惊讶,而且在 Covid 爆发之前,没有人会关心这一点。 据我所知,美国向全世界的科学家提供研究资助,包括中国在内的其他国家也对美国的研究做同样的事情。

尽管媒体大肆炒作,但我在最近发布的福奇电子邮件中也没有看到任何特别令人惊讶的地方。 美国对武汉实验室病毒研究的资金支持从来都不是秘密,我读了一年多。 然而,一旦特朗普和蓬佩奥开始声称武汉实验室泄漏造成了毁灭性的新冠肺炎疫情,情况显然发生了变化。 如果他们是对的,那么美国的每个人甚至与武汉实验室有一定联系的人都可以分担一些巨大的责任,包括福奇。 因此,福奇和其他所有人开始隐藏他们的联系并利用他们的影响力试图(不诚实地)说服媒体相信该病毒是天然的,从而保护武汉实验室和他们自己也就不足为奇了。

这工作了大约一年,没有人关注这个问题。 但现在媒体已经开始承认病毒是人造的,武汉实验室成了首要嫌疑人,让福奇和其他人重新坐上了热搜。 福奇看起来是个不诚实的联邦官僚,但我们整个政府充斥着这样的人,对福奇的关注似乎很荒谬. 我认为 Covid 不太可能是在武汉生产或泄露出去的,所以福奇的不诚实完全不重要。

最后,虽然美国情报机构在武汉甚至武汉实验室有一些间谍的可能性很小,但似乎没有证据表明这一点。 事实上,据称我们收到的有关武汉事件的唯一秘密情报来自第三国,这表明我们完全缺乏信息和特工。 如果我们确实在武汉发布了 Covid 生物武器,我们就不太可能招募当地的中国特工来开展行动。

大约一年来,大多数专家都认为武汉的 Covid 爆发可能始于 2019 年 XNUMX 月下旬或 XNUMX 月初。 300月下旬结束的世界军人运动会,有XNUMX名美国军人来武汉参加。 那次访问本可以为美国提供完美的掩护,将几个特工带入该组织,并让他们在该市释放病毒。 由于成千上万的外国军事人员四处旅行和观光,任何被发现的风险都将降到最低。 这似乎比寻找和使用当地中国特工的风险更合理。

如果 300 名中国军官长期访问芝加哥,紧接着那个城市突然爆发了一场神秘的、致命的病毒性流行病,美国人会怎么想?

问题5 — 很多读过这篇采访的人都会想,“美国没有能力犯罪。” 但是,多年来,美国资助的实验室创造、改造和储存了各种毒剂,包括“六种大规模生产的战备生物武器”,即炭疽、兔热病、布鲁氏菌病、Q-fever、VEE、肉毒杆菌天知道还有什么。 美国还批准了极具争议的人类研究计划,这些计划涉及从未被告知他们被用作政府实验室实验中的豚鼠的人和团体。 正如 Jeanne Guillemin 三十多年前所说:

“整个实验遗产令人沮丧,从德特里克堡的数百只死猴子到……怀特大衣计划中接种疫苗的志愿者,在犹他州的阳光下,Q热气溶胶被吹到他们身上时,他们被绑在椅子上,被绑在笼子里。 最令人不寒而栗的是在城市地区上演的模拟场景:装满模拟 BW 毒剂的灯泡被扔进纽约地铁,华盛顿国家机场的男子从公文包中喷洒伪 BW,以及在加利福尼亚州和德克萨斯州以及佛罗里达群岛上空进行的类似测试。”

据称,美国的生物武器在韩国、越南和古巴使用过,尽管证据尚无定论。 这些武器的历史确实增加了国家安全国家中的流氓分子如果认为这样做有优势就可以使用它们的可能性。

那么对于那些认为美国永远不会使用像 SARS-CoV-2 这样的生物武器来对付敌人的人,你有什么话要说?

罗恩·恩兹—— 当然,许多美国人可能认为他们的国家可以对中国使用生物武器是“不可想象的”。 但 众所周知,几十年来美国拥有世界领先的生物战计划事实上,在 1950 年代,它获得了与我们的核武器开发努力相当的政府资源。

似乎有 相当多的证据表明那些美国生化武器在朝鲜战争期间被使用过, 尽管这些说法一直存在争议,但与常规武器相比,它们无论如何都显得相当无效。 也有人声称对古巴和越南使用了生物武器。

在任何情况下, 我们的生物战能力确实存在,与英尺。 Detrick 设施是我们的领先实验室。 一旦新冠病毒开始回传到美国,特朗普的反应迟钝,这几乎表明他最初意识到这可能是一种危险的生物武器,因此他似乎完全不了解事实。 所以, 对中国(和伊朗)的袭击将是一次流氓行动,可能是由与“深州新保守派”相关的国家安全机构的成员进行的 在他的政府最高层。

如果阴谋背后有足够高级的人,我认为阴谋者很容易利用美国的军事资源来开展行动,所有那些低级参与者都相信他们是完全授权的一部分打击美国主要的地缘政治对手,就像我们的政府不久后暗杀伊朗最高军事指挥官一样。 可能像国务卿(和前中央情报局局长)迈克庞培或国家安全顾问约翰博尔顿这样的人能够策划这次袭击。

这样的人有手段,有动机,有机会,所以媒体完全忽视这种可能性似乎很荒谬。

这是需要考虑的事情。 美国历史上最严重的生物战袭击发生在 9/11 之后,炭疽邮件给重要的政治和媒体人物,促使国会通过爱国者法案。 炭疽袭击者试图在他的袭击中牵连伊斯兰恐怖分子,但联邦调查局很快确定炭疽来自我们自己的 Ft。 Detrick 设施,并最终宣布一位名叫 Bruce Ivins 的政府生物战研究员负责并结案,就在他据称自杀之后。 艾文斯是否真的有罪可能存在争议,但几乎可以肯定这次袭击是由我们国家安全机构的流氓分子实施的。 因此,Covid 爆发的起源似乎不太可能。

作为一项流氓行动,Covid 攻击可能是由极少数人组织的,几乎没有通常会发生的详尽的官僚计划。 在这种情况下,策划者可能会漫不经心地将疾病可能传染给美国或我们的北约盟国的风险降到最低,从而导致灾难最终发生。 毕竟,之前的 SARS 和 MERS 冠状病毒流行使美国和欧洲几乎毫发无损。

主流媒体和另类媒体几乎完全忽略了一条特别有说服力的线索。 大多数专家认为,武汉的新冠疫情可能始于 XNUMX 月下旬或 XNUMX 月初,但由于感染需要一段时间才能传播,而且病毒最初无法检测到,中国政府直到 XNUMX 月底才知道爆发。 然而,几个 美国政府消息人士后来向美国广播公司新闻透露,早在 2019 年 XNUMX 月,我们的国防情报局就向政府官员分发了一份秘密报告,警告称武汉正在发生“灾难性”疾病爆发。 五角大楼后来否认了这个故事,但以色列电视台独立证实该报道确实存在,并已分发给我们的北约盟国和以色列。 DIA 的秘密报告是在“XNUMX 月的第二周”准备的, 当时,武汉这个拥有 11 万人口的城市可能只有几十人开始感到不适,而在中国政府任何人发现疫情之前一个多月。 这些事实似乎几乎无法解释病毒是天然的还是从武汉实验室意外泄漏的。

我认为,所有这些证据以及其他材料的结合,有力地支持了 Covid 爆发是由美国对中国(和伊朗)发动的生物战袭击引起的假设,这可能是特朗普政府中的“深州新保守派”精心策划的流氓行动.

不管其他人是否同意我的看法,将这种非常严重的可能性完全排除在几乎整个主流和另类媒体之外似乎是荒谬和可笑的。 我怀疑这种完全沉默的原因是 支持这一理论的证据足够令人信服,仅仅提出它就可以迅速让大部分西方公众相信生物战袭击是最有可能的情况。 因此,反应已经完全掩盖了这些仍然无法提及的事实。

拜登新保守派现在已经取代了掌舵我们政府的特朗普新保守派,但我们危险的反华外交政策几乎没有改变。 而在主流媒体一心一意投身拜登阵营的情况下,他们以各种可疑的理由对中国的攻击愈演愈烈。 事实上,当前媒体对武汉实验室泄漏假说的大量支持——该假说认为 Covid 是由中国人秘密开发的,可能是作为一种生物武器——只有在他们憎恨的敌人特朗普下台后才成为可能。

美国拥有世界上最大的生物战计划,特朗普政府将中国视为我们最大的地缘政治威胁,而特朗普雇佣的深州新保守主义者是出了名的鲁莽。 媒体几乎不需要花太多心思就可以将这些点联系起来,并至少开始考虑它们所暗示的明显可能性。

Ron Unz 的附录:

对于那些喜欢不同格式的人,这里是我上个月在 Kevin Barrett 的播客上对生物战假设的长达一小时的演示的链接:

这是可免费下载的电子书的链接,其中包含我关于该主题的四篇主要文章:

https://www.unz.com/ebook/covid-catastrophe-ebook/

 
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  1. mijj 说:

    Will reason and reality break through the US Empire of Illusion’s bubble?

    • 回复: @GomezAdddams
  2. Anonymous[343]• 免责声明 说:

    恩兹先生

    你没有羞耻一直是理所当然的。 这是像您这样的自闭症机器人没有也无法感受到的众多人类情感之一。

    但是你有一定的智慧,这从你积累财富、创建网站的能力中可以看出,我会被诅咒,你甚至可以阅读和写作。

    所以即使没有羞耻,你难道没有足够的智慧来意识到你真的疯了吗?

    [更多]

    多年来,您恰好表现出了 3 种情绪。

    首先,愤怒。 这似乎是您“感觉到”的主要概念(能够 你感受到情绪了吗?)。 你无意识的愤怒,就像火一样,可以随心所欲。 但你当然知道,对穆斯林、拜登或移民的愤怒有比你更好的作家和思想家。 这会导致你下一个最常见的情绪:

    需要被认可。

    这就是为什么你竞选公职,为什么你的网站在你的字面上,为什么你选择主要将你的愤怒指向你竞争较少的领域。

    最后,您拥有,或者至少希望被视为具有某种程度的好奇心的人。

    这是一种崇高的情感,也是你上传所有这些书籍和杂志的原因——天知道现在在哪里可以找到它们。 显然,那个华丽的页面没有引起你足够的关注,所以你停止宣传它。

    当然,你的大部分好奇心都是预先针对那些你认为是你的敌人的,可能仅仅是因为他们比你更有名。

    除此之外,你几乎没有通过图灵测试。

    值得称赞的是,我假设您实际上并不相信自己写的反美内容,甚至可能不相信自己写的反以色列内容。 如果你真的关心这些观点中的任何一个,你就会闭嘴,把发言权留给那些不像你那么明显疯狂的人。

    而你只会越来越疯狂。 这让我相信这是医学。

    你写了大量关于covid将如何成为世界末日的文章。 我们所有人都处于危险之中,世界即将结束。 你对当前的热潮有什么了解吗? 也许这里和那里的一些小事情其他人比你更理解和写得更好,但你的主要预测不仅是错误的,而且是在不同的星系中。

    你简直疯了。 你就像一个聋哑人 孔蒂·帕蒂罗 并认为他在这方面做得很好。

    罗恩,与地球上任何公正的陌生人交谈,无论他是普通人还是专业人士,他都会告诉你,你没有能力得出任何准确的结论。 因为你简直是疯了。

  3. Iran is on the other side of the world from China, and very few Chinese visit the Holy City of Qom. So it’s extremely strange that the Covid virus would have jumped so extremely quickly from a Wuhan lab-leak to Iran’s top political leadership, which suffered the next major outbreak.

    That’s the tell, right there. Probably the same ((neocons)) who did 9/11, did Covid 19. False flags are the Zionist modus operandi.

    I bet Trump probably quickly found out, too. So did the Dems, just like the both sides quickly found out who really did 9/11. That’s why Trump didn’t fight the stolen election too hard. He knew the Zionist psychotics were on the warpath again and didn’t mind handing off the mess to the Dems.

  4. Lem 说:

    I think it’s very unlikely that any senior officials of the two countries would be secretly cooperating behind the scenes in releasing the Covid virus.

    然而它是 不能 unlikely that China cooperated with non-government entities. What people who look into the likely long-term consequences of Covid policies call the Great Reset is a transfer of power from governments to the largest private sector players. That’s not bad for China, therefore it isn’t unlikely.

    Hell, if that’s actually what China did here, it’s a strategic masterstroke.

    • 巨魔: Harold Smith
  5. 极好! 非常感谢你们!

    但是罗恩,请不要再说伊朗与中国在世界的另一端。

    • 同意: moi
    • 回复: @Marcali
  6. No references. C’mon mates, you can surely do better than this

    • 回复: @Neuromancer
    , @cassandra
  7. Anonymous[112]• 免责声明 说:

    It’s possible that the US specifically planted the virus in Wuhan in order to blame the lab there for the leak. Then they allowed the virus to spread globally knowing that the actual death toll isn’t all that big and it’s mostly very old people. They implemented all these control measures (masks, vaccines, lockdowns) in order to get people to hate the virus with the idea of pointing that hatred toward China at some future point. And so this could be used as a pretext for a global war (hot or cold) against China. It could also be used as a starting point for endless gene therapy “vaccines”.

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 谢谢: Sarah
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Realist
    , @picture111
  8. 如果为了论证,我假设 Unz 先生是正确的,因此:

    1] “病毒”是真实存在的。

    2] “病毒”是一种人造生物武器。

    3]“病毒”是由美国政府制造的,美国政府将其生物武器研究转移到中国,因为 2014 年生物武器的研究开发在美国被定为非法。

    4]“病毒”是美国故意泄露的,要么是从武汉实验室,要么是从其他合适的地点,作为攻击中国的一种方式……。

    我不得不问:那又怎样? 你他妈的期望什么?

    可悲的是,这篇文章[以及许多其他喜欢它的人] 只能归结为另一个“耸人听闻的”、“点击诱饵”、“哦!看看美国政府在我们背后所做的令人讨厌的犯罪活动!” 交易类型。

    这个“正好”在: “战争是国家的健康” 伦道夫·伯恩

    意思是——如果你想要政府,你必须有战争——它在你从未阅读过的细则中。

    [更多]

    一个政府越大,越不受限制,它就必须对自己的公民和外国公民发动更多的战争,以证明自己的存在是合理的,并在另一天生存下来。

    相反,政府规模越小,越严格,它对本国公民或其他国家公民发动战争的权力就越小。

    显然,美国政府太大了,完全不受宪法限制,因此因意外或故意部署生物武器[或其他任何]而引发的战争几乎是不可避免的。

    一个提醒——这也“刚好”:

    “国家是一群大盗贼,他们是任何社会中最不道德,最有把握和最不道德的个人。” 默里·罗斯巴德(Murray Rothbard)

    “国家一直是,而且一直以来都是人类的最大单一敌人,它的自由,幸福和进步。”默里·罗斯巴德(Murray Rothbard)

    我再说一遍:“战争是国家的健康”!

    要么接受这个事实并适应我们现在所处的现实[甚至更糟,我们都不可避免地走向何方]-或者至少呼吁/采取行动大幅削弱美国政府的战争权力,[通过大幅缩减规模并将政府重新限制在其原来的规模和权力范围内]。

    此致onebornfree

    • 同意: Adam Smith, Gapeseed, Ryan2
    • 回复: @TheMoon
    , @Joe Levantine
  9. JasonT 说:

    欺骗有很多层次,例如 COVID 欺骗,因此当一层变得站不住脚时,就会发现下一层。 我们已经从 COVID 是一种“天然病毒”的层面转变为 COVID 是一种“人造病毒”但从中国实验室泄漏的层面。 Unz 占据了下一层,其中 COVID 不是从中国实验室泄漏的病毒,而是由美国政府的“流氓分子”故意在中国种植的“生物武器病毒”。 每一层都更接近真相,但仍然包含干扰和欺骗。

    在这些层次的最底层是一个已经进行了很长时间的统治世界的计划。 该计划已在数百年甚至数千年的时间里逐个构建,每一个部分都是对下一步的测试。 5G 基站基础设施在 2020 年封锁期间主要在全球范围内部署到位,这是一个很小但很有说服力的迹象,表明该计划比 Unz 的猜测要深得多。

    • 巨魔: Sarah
    • 回复: @RichardTheThird
    , @Skeptikal
  10. 我还是不明白生化武器的事情。 Covid-19 的感染死亡率约为 0.2%,可以忽略不计。 为什么任何拥有先进军事力量的国家——美国、中国或其他任何人——都要费心去重新发明流感? 它只是没有任何意义。

    我仍然认为整个事情是全球主义者上演的骗局——是的,中国人参与其中,但不,该计划并非起源于那里。

    • 同意: Hans, Alden
    • 不同意: Sarah
  11. Big Daddy 说:

    Why does everybody ignore Lyme Disease? A dead octopus washes upon the shore of Lyme, Ct.; birds pick at it; and bingo, the first cases. What was across the Long Island sound from Lyme? A US bioweapons lab. Now every year in North America 20,oo0 people take a walk in the woods and contract from tick bites an incurable disease.

    FU US Gov!

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @grr
  12. @Anonymous

    You’re the insane one. Never read such a farrago of nonsense.

  13. Ron says: “Immediately after the initial Wuhan outbreak, the virus began infecting Iran’s top political elites, and killing a number of them. Isn’t it implausible that a random lab-leak in Wuhan would so quickly jump to the Holy City of Qom on the other side of the world?”

    Ron maintains that it is implausible to believe that the virus went from Wuhan to Qom yet both public and private Chinese Belt and Road people were trotting all over the near Far East or far Near East and meeting with all kinds of people.

    Further, while we are expected to question the plausibility of the China/Iran connection, we are expected to believe, instead, that somehow the virus went from an American lab to the Holy City of Qom. How was this effected? Why is this more plausible?

    Of the likelihood of America’s spreading the virus in Wuhan, Ron says, “Such individuals had the means, motive, and opportunity, so it seems absurd for the media to so totally ignore this possibility.”

    Acknowledging that we are dealing in probabilities and possibilities and not certain proof here, it would seem to be incumbent upon Ron to provide at least some plausible vector by which the Americans could have accomplished what he denies the Chinese as having any means or method of carrying out.

    • 不同意: GazaPlanet
    • 回复: @Whataboutery2020
    , @Iris
  14. @Digital Samizdat

    如果只是试运行以测试各种系统的真正生物武器释放会怎样?

  15. Rahan 说:
    @Anonymous

    恩兹先生

    你没有羞耻一直是理所当然的。 这是像您这样的自闭症机器人没有也无法感受到的众多人类情感之一。

    但是你有一定的智慧,这从你积累财富、创建网站的能力中可以看出,我会被诅咒,你甚至可以阅读和写作。

    天啊,当担心的官僚开始参与在线论坛来攻击危险的想法时,我喜欢它。 在东欧论坛上并不少见。 现在也在这里。 哦时间哦更多。 Fures、mendaces 和 homicidae。

    • 同意: Tdstype2
    • 谢谢: nosquat loquat
  16. anonymous[139]• 免责声明 说:

    Biowarfare so far is most effective as an economic weapon. In Cuba they were able to destroy the pig population causing great economic loss for that island. China has had recent mysterious plagues affecting its farm animals, again incurring economic loss. However, it’s ineffective as an anti-personnel weapon. It had little effect in the Korean war especially in comparison to conventional weapons such as bombs. Healthy, younger people aren’t as vulnerable which means that troops, production workers and others involved in a war effort aren’t impacted very greatly. The effect of covid on Iran was harassing but could not bring it to a crisis point. Older leaders died but they’re quickly replaced. They have a large pool to draw upon and don’t have some irreplaceable royal family setup. The effect upon Iran was close to zero, no policies or capabilities changed. If this was an attack rather than a careless leak then they had high hopes of unleashing a storm that couldn’t materialize.

    • 同意: GazaPlanet, Realist
    • 回复: @YetAnotherAnon
  17. sonofman 说:

    病原病毒的科学已经彻底而令人信服地揭穿了。 大流行的统计数据证明,这更符合奥森·威尔斯的事实,并被一个深州用来制定新的金融和控制议程。 没有科赫假设的证据表明 Covid-19 病毒存在。 没有零号病人。 一项不适用的测试被用来证明存在针对不存在的病原体的抗体。 对不存在的疾病进行不可接受的测试会产生误报和令人难以置信的发病率,政客们用它们来为不成比例和破坏性的封锁、无用的赚钱疫苗和普遍的恐惧散布的紧急立法辩护。 那娜奥米(流感)呢?

    在军运会期间,世界上大部分地区都集中在一个地方武汉之后,一种特定的免疫反应在世界大部分地区蔓延,这绝非巧合。 有些疫苗是强制性的,有时在国防部是实验性的。 还有其他在引入新研制的疫苗/生物武器后直接爆发的例子。

    在 Covid-19 骗局和疫苗的审查下,流感实际上是免疫系统季节性清除体内积累的毒素的理解是有道理的,病毒是为此目的的自然免疫反应的组成部分,并且同源抗体可能是传染性的原因。

    • 同意: TheTrumanShow
    • 回复: @PetrOldSack
    , @Stonehands
  18. Ron Unz 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    我还是不明白生化武器的事情。 Covid-19 的感染死亡率约为 0.2%,可以忽略不计。 为什么任何拥有先进军事力量的国家——美国、中国或其他任何人——都要费心去重新发明流感? 它只是没有任何意义。

    Actually, most of the evidence is that the Covid fatality rate is substantially higher than you claim, probably at least 0.5%. Moreover, biowarfare experts have long realized that effective anti-economy bioweapons would have particular characteristics, as was pointed out by a retired 40-year veteran of American biowarfare research. Here’s my brief summary of his analysis:

    他提出的一个重要观点是,在生物武器中,高杀伤力通常会适得其反,因为使大量个人虚弱或住院可能会给一个国家带来远远高于仅造成同等死亡人数的生物制剂的经济成本。 用他的话来说,“高传染性、低致死率的疾病非常适合破坏经济”,这表明冠状病毒的明显特征在这方面接近最佳。 那些感兴趣的人应该阅读他的分析,并自己评估他的可信度和说服力。

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

  19. sonofman 说:
    @Chris Moore

    Zionists have power in America only because Democrat and Republican politicians of still the majority European-Americans allow them to have power. The People and non-politician President Trump are fighting the stolen election. The problem is that President Trump has to fight establishment politicians from both parties who have for decades used fraudulent electronic voting to get elected.

    • 回复: @Chris Moore
    , @Realist
  20. I think part of the COVID puzzle lies with Virologists’ Ron Fouchier from the Netherlands, and
    Yoshihiro Kawaoka from the University of Wisconsin. They both mastered the ability to turn a known virus through ‘Gain-of-Function’ and make it airborne transmissible.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2011/11/scientists-brace-media-storm-around-controversial-flu-studies

  21. Anonymous[124]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    I was the first person to point out the Virus was Made in USA! I know 100% America is one lying Ungodly Satanic Nation , I trust my US Government as far as I can spit!!! Wake up Americans US Government is the biggest threat to you and to humanity, MARK MY WORDS.

    • 回复: @Chris Moore
  22. Max Payne 说:

    我怀疑伊朗应该为这次爆发负责。 作为生化武器。 授权伊拉克式联军入侵,摆脱那些爆发的大规模杀伤性武器,这次出售。 不知何故,它被搞砸了,而武汉就是它发生的地方。

    但话又说回来,伊朗也有一些参与者参加了 2019 年的世界军事运动会…… 也许阿里的一些人在赛后飞往库姆斯,与一些政客握手总是对报纸有好处......

    • 回复: @Craig Nelsen
    , @Arco
  23. @Anonymous

    Saying a Zionist network of loosely organized sociopaths being led by a cabal of kosher psychopaths = “100% America is one lying Ungodly Satanic Nation” is something only a pro-ZOG propagandist would say.

  24. Rashkae 说:

    Iran and China are only separated by Pakistan. Iran’s first cases were reported Feb 19th in the now deleted article in the NY Times: https://archive.is/CuAQZ Whereas Wikipedia has Russia as having it’s first 2 cases Jan 31st: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Russia

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  25. 好的,这个怎么样,对于你们神秘主义者的爱好者?

    Do you notice that it’s NINETEEN (19) years from the date of Sept 11 (9-11-2001) to the declaration of the this thing as a pandemic? There is your 1,9, or reversed 9,1. And naturally, it is called covid-19! Another 1,9.

    它于 22 年 2020 月 322 日被宣布为大流行病。有您的 Skull BS XNUMX 编号。 巧合? 那么,这是同一个混蛋对我们国家的第二次袭击吗???

    • 谢谢: GazaPlanet
    • 回复: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
  26. Notsofast 说:

    …..the american government mostly ingnored the entire potential problem and the possibility that the virus would back into the u.s….. mr. unz seems to paint this as incompetence where i see it as a willful act that went entirely as planned. interestingly rubicon tells us on another whitney thread that bobby kennedy jr. has a book coming out in sept called “the real anthony fuaci” discussing the purposeful world wide spreading of the disease. there is a lew rockwell interview with kennedy that came out yesterday. would love to see a mike whitney interview with bobby kennedy jr.

  27. @JasonT

    正确,精彩。

    由耶路撒冷统治的单一世界“政府”。

    • 同意: TheTrumanShow
    • 回复: @JasonT
    , @TheTrumanShow
    , @Hans
  28. 这归结为一个简单的等式:犹太精英与中国。

    China’s working with US virologists and immunologists on gain of function research with Corona viruses was simply China recognizing that they were vulnerable (more lung-based ACE2 receptors), they knew they would ultimately be a target, and this was simply the Chinese keeping their ‘enemies closer’.

    I suspect the Chinese were anticipating the future release and doing their best to be prepared, and it showed. The West, well, we all know what happened, as we’re still living the nightmare daily.

    My question is: was this America’s neocon deep state long-term plan all along? A successful operation to ‘set up’ the Chinese government for the virus release by working with them to do the research at Wuhan, thus providing the Americans the perfect background to allege the ‘accidental release’ theory, and with plans to bill (sanction) China for the damages, confiscating Chinese assets world-wide as part of the ‘debt collection’ (like they do to Iran, Syria, Venezuela, etc.). A plan that was supra political affiliations other than support for the most critical neocon goal, i.e., maintaining American supremacy (as the vehicle for Jewish supremacist interests.) Sure looks that way.

    And I wonder if the world-wide findings of Covid in tissue samples, sewage samples, and other sources long before the Wuhan outbreak indicates an attempt to lessen the effect of the virus in the ‘home countries’ by surreptitiously seeding a very low-lethality, weak Covid-19 virus among the peoples of the EU and the USA, which may have actually worked somewhat in that regard, as there were reports of people with the Covid antibodies long before the current pandemic started.

    But what I find MOST important is that the “China Did It!” refrain of a lab-made bug escaping from Wuhan suddenly exploded on the Western MSM scene IMMEDIATELY after China ‘named the Jew’ as being the source of the impasse at the UNSC on producing a joint, unanimous statement calling Israel to task in the most recent Gaza slaughter act. China actually openly and unambiguously ‘questioned’ whether Jewish money and power control the USA’s ME foreign policy, and whether Jewish control of American finance (and media) is where they get the ‘juice’ to make the US do its bidding and use its military to effectuate the Oded Yinon Plan, regardless of cost of blood and treasure to us. (The MIC, of course, laps it up and is a big, big supporter.)

    Thus, I believe we are in a very dangerous stage in the “Jewish elites vs. China” battle that possibly threatens the survival of all of us, as we are presently entering ‘Samson Option’ territory, i.e., Jewish elite power being lost means everybody else must also lose. To psychotic Jewish supremacist elites, it’s all or nothing.

    Again, China did the unthinkable (to Western politicians, at least) when it was chairing the UNSC during the (annual) Gaza slaughter last month and named the Jew as the source of the problems in Palestine and the ME in general, via their financial (and blackmail) control over the US Congress and policy makers. But far more critical is that these words were an open statement to the Jewish supremacist interests who truly run things: “We know who you are, we know what you’re doing and how you do it, and if you think for even a nanosecond we’ll allow you to do that to us, you’re dreaming.”

    And with just a few words of truth ‘that must never be spoken’, China now finds itself in what appears to be a death spiral with the absolute apex of the Jewish elites of the world. Only China stands in their way at present. And China knows it.

    China is the new “Hitler”.

    • 同意: CelestiaQuesta
    • 谢谢: Peripatetic Itch
  29. Ron Unz 说:
    @Rashkae

    Iran and China are only separated by Pakistan. Iran’s first cases were reported Feb 19th in the now deleted article in the NY Times: https://archive.is/CuAQZ Whereas Wikipedia has Russia as having it’s first 2 cases Jan 31st: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Russia

    The outbreaks were entirely different. The two early cases in Siberia were of Chinese who had traveled there, while the massive outbreak that hit Iran’s political elites had no apparent connection to China or Chinese whatsoever. And while I perhaps was rhetorical in describing Qom as “on the other side of the world,” Wuhan and the Holy City of Qom are over 3,600 miles apart, a pretty long distance for an accidental lab-leak to jump. I’ll quote a couple of paragraphs from my original April 2020 article:

    随着冠状病毒逐渐开始向中国境外传播,发生了另一种事态发展,使我的猜疑倍增。 在与中国接壤的东亚国家中,大多数此类早期病例的发生恰恰是人们所期望的。 但是到XNUMX月下旬,伊朗已成为全球疫情的第二重灾区。 更令人惊讶的是,其政治精英受到的打击尤其严重, 整个伊朗议会的整整10%即将感染 和至少 十几个官员和政治家 死于疾病,包括一些 相当高级。 确实,推特上的Neocon活动家开始兴高采烈地指出,他们仇恨的伊朗敌人现在像苍蝇一样下落。

    让我们考虑这些事实的含义。 在全世界范围内,唯一遭受重大人员伤亡的政治精英是伊朗的政治精英,他们很早就去世了,甚至在中国以外的世界上几乎任何地方都没有爆发大爆发之前就已经死亡。 因此,我们在2月XNUMX日让美国暗杀了伊朗的最高军事指挥官,然后在几周后,伊朗统治精英分子的大部分被一种神秘而致命的新病毒感染,其中许多人很快因此丧命。 任何理性的人都可能将这仅仅是巧合吗?

    • 同意: Tdstype2, Kevin Barrett
    • 谢谢: Robin Hood
    • 回复: @mcohen
    , @chrimony
  30. @sonofman

    Zionists have power in America only because Democrat and Republican politicians of still the majority European-Americans allow them to have power

    A corrupt cabal, led
    by Judeofascists, some of them of mixed European origin, some of them of Semitic origin, but who have always been insular, hostile “elite” outsiders, exerts its power over both parties, including the Dem multicult, including Biden, including Kamala Harris…

    The Judeofascists aren’t a White or European problem any more than Jewry is White or European; they’re a Judeofascist problem.

    The problem is that President Trump has to fight establishment politicians from both parties who have for decades used fraudulent electronic voting to get elected

    The problem is that Trump is mobbed up with Judeofascists, too.

    But at the end of the day, the crux of the problem is Judeofascists and their treason against other nations.

    • 同意: Nancy
  31. @Ron Unz

    The choice to ruin an economy really provides another motive in, say, late Feb/early Mar 2020 with an incumbent who survived Russian collusion allegations and an impeachment hearing just 3.5 weeks prior, doesn’t it?

    Alas, DJT should’ve remembered his inner “Animal House”: “You fucked up, you trusted us.” Birx and Fauci clearly did not have his (or their country’s) best interests at heart.

    • 回复: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @TheMoon
  32. brabantian 说:

    我倾向于认为美国和中国的深层国家实际上确实一起这样做了,有能力互相谴责骗局的“特征”,给彼此“头号敌人”效用,他们不同的方法是内部框架和能力的函数

    [更多]

    并且越来越怀疑新冠病毒起源、武汉实验室等的讨论是否会分散人们对这里更大的生物武器是“新冠病毒疫苗”的可能性的注意力,“新冠病毒疫苗”的致命影响将在未来几年发挥作用,“疫苗本身现在会产生“covid 变种”,而疫苗导致的死亡可以归咎于“covid”

    除了 13,000 多个疫苗死亡和 1.35 万疫苗副作用伤害 迄今为止在全球主要数据库中记录的病例——我们有越来越多的来自各种医疗专业人员的材料,例如 诺贝尔奖得主吕克蒙塔尼耶,关于如何,例如,刺突蛋白 mRNA 是一种巨大的健康和生命破坏者,未来几年死亡和受伤人数可能会不断上升,并且许多疫苗接种后流产是疫苗在造成大规模不孕症方面的看似作用的一个迹象……到 15 年,世界上将有 2030% 的人死亡,而其余的大部分人无法生育?

    • 巨魔: Harold Smith
    • 回复: @Peripatetic Itch
  33. Charlie 说:
    @Anonymous

    当你无法攻击事实时…… ad hominem。

    • 同意: Iris
  34. So the virus probably came from a lab.

    This is not “probable”, it is a virtual slam-dunk. Way too many eminent scientists have drawn this conclusion for it to be dismissed. Besides, the American government holds a patent for the “spike protein” – can the implications be any more obvious?

    But the question now becomes “which lab?”…

    Repeat – the American government holds a patent for the “spike protein”. Slam-dunk.

    [更多]

    但只是为了完整性:

    1. The USA runs a global complex of several hundred bioweapons labs, a large proportion of which surrounds Russia and China. If you want a nasty man-made virus to release on the world, who you gonna call?

    2. Japanese and Taiwanese university boffins 独立地 came to the conclusion that Corona Chan originated in North America.

    3. Remember all those mysterious cases of “vaping illness” across America in 2019, months before any public knowledge of Corona Chan?

    4. And Israel TV did indeed disclose American intelligence briefings of a dangerous viral outbreak in Wuhan, again months before the fact.

    5. And let’s not forget the Gates-sponsored pandemic exercise “Event 201” which so accurately presaged Corona Chan and the global policy response, once again months before the fact.

    So Corona Chan is an American product. Let’s just accept that and move on.

    Meanwhile, Ron Unz’ Corona Chan investigation, while incredibly insightful around the question of origin, unfortunately seems to be trapped in a temporal rut, unable to make the connection with subsequent global developments.

    There’s a big fat “spike protein” flavoured elephant in the room – namely that what started out as an apparent American man-made virus attack on China (and Iran) has now most emphatically morphed into a global depopulation campaign using eugenic gene therapy bioweapons disguised as “vaccines” to sterilise, injure and kill as many people as possible.

    A depopulation campaign championed by the likes of creepy Bill Gates and Uncle Klaus Schwab under the cover of the World Economic Forum and the oh-so-benevolent Gates Foundation. All players with clear advance knowledge of Corona Chan as signaled by “Event 201”, and with ready-made “spike protein” gene therapy bioweapons sitting on the shelf just waiting for deployment. Players with unprecedented influence over the governments, medical institutions and media organs of just about every Western nation on the planet, to the extent that all these countries are now willingly participating in crimes against humanity against their own people. Surprisingly, Israel has been at the forefront of leading their own people like lambs to the slaughter.

    Mr.Unz hit the ground running, but I fear he’s dropped the ball on this one.

    How is it that the Corona Chan attack on China has so quickly been transformed into the global attack on Western civilisation embodied in the “vaccination” campaign and the march in lockstep toward the “Build Back Better” Great Reset now being universally embraced by the Western elite?

  35. @Mustapha Mond

    拉屎!

    I forgot to edit the first line before posting, as “equation” was the wrong word, and I wanted to change the opening to:

    “It has come down to this: Jewish elites vs. China”.

    Totally forgot to make the change and posted. Complete brain flatus. Just remembered it.

    (Goddammit, I hate this getting old shit ……)

    But about the ‘jewish elites’ targeting China, well, here’s yet another example:

    https://www.sott.net/article/454191-Jon-Stewart-tosses-media-grenade-Hijacks-Colbert-Show-with-lab-leak-rant-liberal-Twitter-melts-down

    This won’t end soon, or well.

    • 哈哈: InnerCynic
  36. Unz 说:

    “一旦新冠病毒开始回传到美国,特朗普的反应迟钝,这几乎表明他最初意识到这可能是一种危险的生物武器,所以他似乎对事实完全一无所知。”

    在我看来,这是一个完全合理的场景。 现在让我们回想一下臭名昭著的新闻发布会,当时特朗普将蓬佩奥介绍为“国务卿,深层国务卿”。 尽管有笑声和尴尬,总统可能不是在开玩笑。 然后,在他的演讲中,当 Pompeo 将 Covid 封锁协议(非常奇怪,正如许多人观察到的一样)称为“现场演习”时,就好像这是某种军事演习一样,特朗普低声说,但可以听到,并且一些看似真诚的懊恼,“你应该告诉我的。”

    在一个理智的世界中,其对现实的理解是基于对实时实际发生的事情的一些经验考虑,上述场景将被视为极其重要,甚至具有历史意义。 相反,它被特朗普斯特斥为更令人讨厌的小丑。

    在不太可能发生的情况下,Covid 危机被证实是美国生物武器有目的的播种,特朗普总统任期的这一刻将成为证据档案中的一个要素。 然而,考虑到与美国相关的所有国家的隐藏腐败有多深——谁知道,例如,他们对臭名昭著的焦头烂尾和同性恋派对动物法国马克龙有多少污点?——任何主要国家元首都不太可能会让这个故事一发不可收拾。 看看 9/11。 大量无可辩驳的证据并没有动摇人们对谎言的信念,至少在西方的职业阶层中是如此。

    似乎我们唯一希望澄清 Covid 作为生物武器问题的希望在于科学家。 大多数都买了,但不是全部。

    • 谢谢: Iris, Schuetze, Mark Hunter
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @utu
    , @ThreeCranes
  37. 如果深州的流氓特工可以从本应精心保护的仓库中取出一架 B-52 机载实弹,用于从未公开的目的(尽管 B-52 谢天谢地被迫返回)肯定可以秘密地将致命病毒引入目标人群。 显然没有考虑反冲,结果是乌龙球。

    • 同意: nosquat loquat
  38. Ron Unz 说:
    @nosquat loquat

    现在让我们回想一下臭名昭著的新闻发布会,当时特朗普将蓬佩奥介绍为“国务卿,深州国务卿。”……当蓬佩奥提到 Covid 封锁协议时——非常奇怪,正如许多人所观察到的——作为“现场演习,”好像这是某种军事演习,特朗普低声说,但听得见,带着一些看似真诚的懊恼,“你应该告诉我的。”

    我完全忘记了那件事,部分原因是我没有看新闻发布会,反正我从来没有太注意特朗普在说什么。

    但由于蓬佩奥可能是此次生物战袭击的主要嫌疑人,因此提出了一个有趣的可能性。 当特朗普无视新冠病毒的日益蔓延时,也许就在那时,蓬佩奥最终决定告诉他这是一种(中国)生物武器,对美国社会构成了重大威胁。

    当我试图在 Google 上使用 //“深州国务卿” pompeo trump // 定位事件的帐户时,绝对没有任何结果。 但是当我在 Bing 上尝试相同的搜索字符串时,出现了大量文章。 有趣的…

  39. @Chris Moore

    The quick appearance of covid in Iran, obviously planted at locations to disproportionatly infect the politicians, speaks for itself. It’s a smoking gun.

    Ron’s case is not weakened by the fact that China and Iran share boundaries with India and Pakistan, are relatively close to each other.

    He was careless on that point, but it makes no difference.

    • 同意: Joe Levantine
    • 谢谢: GMC
  40. IvyMike 说:

    我不知道,但为什么在广阔的体育世界中,你会使用高度传染性呼吸道病毒对国际旅行的主要枢纽发起生物攻击? 来吧,唐罗恩,做更多的研究,让我们知道为什么我们也针对每个人和我们自己? 为什么不是跳蚤、苍蝇、卫生条件差或性传播的虫子?
    你的阴谋论是一个典型的阴谋论,因为你发现的事实比真相要多。

    • 不同意: Mark Hunter
    • 回复: @Mark Hunter
  41. @Ron Unz

    让我们将其视为合乎逻辑的结论。 “深州国务卿”会是DJT竞选连任的支持者吗?

    If Pompeo told him it was a bioweapon, perhaps this is why he decided to listen to the (awful) advice of Birx and Fauci – shutting down the country for two weeks, submarining his strong economy, and destroying his re-election chances* in late March.

    What if it was not bioweapon, but, ultimately, the flu (+) except for olds and fats, and there was a concerted effort on/about 25-27 Feb by TPTB to hype the ‘crisis’ to depose him and engineer the great reset while enriching big pharma? The RT-PCR case count bs, the intentional killing of olds by (D) governors, the de-platforming of anyone who suggested treatments vs. use of vaccines – it all fits with the deep state conspiring w/ Davos men to create the world they always longed to. Was it what they set out to do when they tried to f**k Iran and China? I am unsure. But it sure seems as if Mike Pompeo is the one of the key links here to answering that question.

    **Of course it was rigged. Just another benefit of the ‘crisis’ was the changes in the voting laws in swing states. Silly wabbits.

  42. JasonT 说:
    @RichardTheThird

    铁棒会成为微波信号塔吗? 启示录 2:27 和 12:5 和 19:15

  43. utu 说:
    @nosquat loquat

    There is nothing to Pompeo’s ‘It’s A Live Exercise’. And Trump’s ‘should’ve let us know’ refers to China. It fits the context. China did not tell us. This is not about retribution but China was first to know.

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
    • 不同意: Schuetze
  44. 这种讨论似乎为时过早,而且有倾向性。

    为时过早,因为世卫组织只检查了一个国家(根据目前的证据,该国家似乎是最不可能的爆发源)。

    倾向性,因为相关领域 99% 的研究人员从一开始就坚持(现在更加一致),不太可能来自实验室。

    为什么不等到世卫组织完成检查和进化病毒学家公开解决问题呢?

  45. @nosquat loquat

    Speaking of press conferences. Is Biden their first human experimental subject of any import whose brain is functioning in synch (okay, it’s just a prototype at this stage) with a computer? The odd pauses as if he’s listening to instructions from a devise planted in his ear or brain, the word jumble as his former thought is cancelled out by new instructions and his mind wrestles with trying to integrate the two and finally, the throwing his metaphorical mental arms in the air and saying “Screw it, I just can’t master this new system. My old brain can’t be taught new tricks”?

    这是大重置的一部分吗? 一个电脑操纵的政客?

    • 回复: @InnerCynic
    , @TKK
  46. InnerCynic 说:

    Uncle Scam “offshored” American industry to the detriment of domestic labor and he likewise offshores the development of pathogens or the initiation of hostilities…. all to the further detriment of said populace. He is anything but lazy when it comes to causing misery.

  47. InnerCynic 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    Its an “ear” which presenters use all of the time. Hes simply not good at using it because he’s in cognitive decline. Someone lucid and trained in its use would fool you. Joe? Fuggedaboudit!

  48. 人们谈论“生物武器”的次数越多,就越会告诉自己“大流行”是真实的。

    越多的人告诉自己“大流行”是真实的,就越渴望屈服于强制打疫苗和剥夺公民自由。

    人们以这种方式服务 佐格, 这要求每个人都无休止地吸毒。

    • 同意: Alfred, Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 不同意: Mark Hunter
    • 回复: @idrankwhat
  49. 美国资助的实验室已经创造、修改和储存了各种有毒物质,包括…… Q热

    目前席卷全国!

  50. obwandiyag 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    来自共识的争论在最后一天失去了一些吸引力。

    • 回复: @Realist
  51. @Godfree Roberts

    为什么不等到世卫组织完成检查和进化病毒学家公开解决问题呢?

    The most important evidence is unlikely to be revealed to us civilians. We are trying to infer what is going on from what we can see. There are a lot of people who have seen quite enough already.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  52. gatobart 说:

    I have one problem with this “America injected China with the coronavirus” narrative, so to speak. And the problem comes from a practicable indisputable fact, a piece of news coming out of Spain that would exculpate China, if not totally, at least of being at the origin of the pandemic:

    “Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows
    By Nathan Allen, Inti Landauro
    JUNE 26,2020

    MADRID (Reuters) – Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday”

    What this piece of news is telling us practically absolves China of any important role in the breakout, specially when considering that Spain is a close NATO ally of the U.S. so it could hardly be accused of manufacturing these news to get the burden of suspicion off China’s back. If we believe what Spanish scientists tell us then COVID19 was already loose and running in the Western world almost a year before the Wuhan outbreak, so all the rest loses relevance in this perspective.

    • 同意: GomezAdddams, emersonreturn
    • 回复: @Mark Hunter
  53. @Mustapha Mond

    Yes, Mustapha, it has come down to the Jews versus the Chinese.

    I remember almost 20 years ago, the Jews were busy ‘infiltrating’ India. Well, I didn’t know they were ‘infiltrating’ at the time. I didn’t understand what they were doing there. But it turns out it was to turn India against Russia (and into a US vassal state). So now all that’s left is China.

    The End Game is here. God help us!

    • 同意: Mustapha Mond
    • 回复: @gatobart
    , @Mustapha Mond
  54. I can well believe that this is a lab release by the US. My main criticism is that the virus is not as lethal as is being made out. Its main purpose now is to justify injecting millions of people with genetic instructions that get their bodies to reproduce the really dangerous part of the infection, namely the spike protein.

    One piece of evidence seldom discussed – and which lends credence to Mr Unz’s hypothesis – is the mysterious so-called “vaping illness” which hit the US in the summer of 219. It primarily hit care homes and a lot of these were clustered around Fort Deitrick, which was partially closed by the CDC in July of that year for health and safety breaches.

  55. @Godfree Roberts

    The WHO specified that any human death is from Covid19 unless a different cause is proved.

    99% of researchers are still suppressing the information that Ivermectin cures and even prevents (prophylactic) Covid19 symptoms when it’s worked miracles in the few independent countries and regions that have made it the norm.

    And when decades of usage have shown its side effects are as harmless as those of aspirin and it costs about the same, could be sold in supermarkets.

    • 同意: TKK, Peripatetic Itch, acementhead
  56. Kiwi Pom 说:

    The pilot implementation ????

    Outbreak of Respiratory Illness at a Long-Term Care Facility USA Jul 2019

    https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/health/alerts/outbreak-of-respiratory-illness-at-long-term-care-facility

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2019/07/17/third-person-has-died-after-respiratory-illness-outbreak-greenspring-village-fairfax-officials-say/

    Another Respiratory Outbreak Found At Burke Retirement Community USA Jul 2019

    “These types of outbreaks aren’t uncommon, but they usually happen in winter or flu season rather than summer.”

    https://patch.com/virginia/burke/another-respiratory-outbreak-found-burke-retirement-community

    • 谢谢: thotmonger
  57. Anonymous[538]• 免责声明 说:

    The possibility of a US-Wuhan release by some agent of the US may not go away. The question of who in China would work with the US to stage a release should be investigated. Certainly not everyone loves the CCP, do you think? In an age as hostile as this one has become to the legitimacy of national identity perhaps using the labels Chinese and American inhibits one’s analysis of the problem.

    Perhaps an issue to consider is the nature of the Chinese response. Lockdowns and masks are now criticized in the US as an ineffective response to virus spread. The whole approach violates much standard practice in epidemiology prior to the appearance of Covid 19.

    It has been argued that the approach originated in the US from the work of some computer modeling expert over a decade ago with no medical training and was eventually implemented against medical opinion by political and bureaucratic types who wanted a fast and visible response. If so how did these dubious procedures used by the US become the rapid first choice response in China? Did they really work in China or did the virus go away for some other reason?

    Perhaps there was some sort of cross fertilization on how to respond to a pandemic? What other cross interaction may have occurred?

    • 巨魔: Harold Smith
  58. Renoman 说:

    Ron’s NOT insane! He is right over the target, that’s why he’s being trolled. Go Ron!

  59. GMC 说:

    It’s just not one Lab , there had to be many labs or spreaders , inorder to go from China to Iran to Europe to the South Pacific and the operation is ongoing , as it’s Summertime and we see another strain of it. And that doesn’t fit in with a normal virus. They probably spread it, by putting the virus on American dollars and let the banks around the world – spread the Love – – lololol lol. Until Russia , China , Iran and the others call out the US bioweapons labs – all together at once – forget about any justice.

    • 回复: @Alfred
  60. SafeNow 说:

    Intertwined with negligent release vs. deliberate release is this issue: The U.S. involvement, or lack thereof, in implementing safety precautions at the Wuhan lab. The U.S. was funding the most dangerous project in the history of the world. It overwhelmingly stands to reason that the U.S. would insist, tactfully and diplomatically (not Blinken-style), to likewise partner in, and lavishly fund, extraordinary safety measures. If the U.S. indeed did so, there would not have been a leak. Therefore, the source of the pandemic must have been a bio-warfare attack. Contrariwise, if the U.S. inexplicably did NOT share its safety competencies and funding, why the heck not? I have not seen anyone in the media raise the above issue. If I have missed it, please tell me. Maybe Fauci hid lab-leak not because he was conducting GofF, but because of malfeasance on safety.

    The logical bottom line is that under any of the three possible scenarios, the U.S. caused the pandemic: (1) By completely failing to partner in extraordinary safety measures; (2) By doing safety-partnering, but in an incompetent or cavalier manner; or (3) Neither of the above is relevant — it was a biowarfare attack outside the lab. (perhaps replica asthma inhalers, containing hidden virus compartments?)

    Yes, to a hammer everything is a nail, and to SafeNow everything is a safety discussion, but I think no debate involving an unsafety-caused leak is complete without this.

  61. No matter how many times you repeat it it’s still a weak scenario.
    And Iran is far from being on the other side of the world from China – indeed it is slap bang in the way of the Belt and Road Initiative (the “new” Silk Road) so I am sure it is swarming with Chinese people all the time.

  62. @ThreeCranes

    Exactly, the improbable Unz theory doesn’t explain how the supposed US virus seeders got it from Wuhan to Iran – it would still need to be carried there by infected Wuhanians in the first place.

  63. Alfred 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    倾向性,因为相关领域 99% 的研究人员从一开始就坚持(现在更加一致),不太可能来自实验室。

    What do you think is going to happen when it is determined that it did come from a lab? There will be huge international pressure to shut down all such laboratories – and these alleged 99% will be left to find some other employment. 🙂

    Here is a man who is not subject to such pressures. He is very much out of favour with envious scientists in his country. He did get a Nobel Prize for discovering HIV. This is what he had to say early last year.

    “Montagnier argued that the Coronavirus disease 2019 was man-made in a laboratory and that it might have been the result of an attempt to create a vaccine for HIV/AIDS. His allegation came after the United States had launched a probe into whether the virus came from a laboratory. According to Montagnier, the “presence of elements of HIV and germ of malaria in the genome of coronavirus is highly suspect and the characteristics of the virus could not have arisen naturally.” However this was described as “a conspiracy vision that does not relate to the real science” by Jean-Francois Delfraissy, an immunologist and head of the scientific council that advises the French government on the COVID-19 pandemic.”



    视频链接

    • 同意: EoinW
  64. Alfred 说:
    @Anonymous

    Unz先生非常聪明。 比我聪明多了。 然而,他确实有一个议程。 我逐渐认识到它。 帮助人们避免生病不在他的议程上。

    如果他疯了,那么我们假定的精英 100% 也是疯了。

    • 回复: @DaveE
    , @PetrOldSack
  65. cranc 说:

    这一切只会变得越来越陌生。
    生物武器经济攻击理论尽管依赖于推测和事实陈述的可互换性,但确实有一定道理,但前提是我们忽略自 Covid 出现以来发生的大量事情。
    Mike Whitney 已经写过很多这样的事情,而 Ron Unz 可靠地忽略并拒绝承认他们,所以这次软球“采访”也可以避免如此多的要求问责制,这真是太奇怪了。
    所以,再一次看在过去的份上,我们有:
    PCR 测试争议、病例/死亡/死亡的模糊、极度悲观和不负责任的建模争议、街头死亡的假视频、大规模宣传制度、未使用的急诊医院、空荡荡的正规医院被激励保持空虚、跳舞的护士、公共卫生官员对杀伤力的公然歪曲、审查打击、科学的政治化和商业化、廉价药物的压制治疗、戴口罩及其对病毒传播和人类的影响心理学、实验性疫苗技术的强制执行、第四次工业革命、大重置、大救助、巨大的财富转移、超人类主义的精英主义愿景、锁步纸、事件 501、网络多边形、中国崛起,美国灭亡。
    还有更多。

    老实说,有点认为“同性恋巨魔”将其钉在评论的顶部。

    • 同意: gay troll, Stonehands
    • 回复: @Dystopian
    , @Antiwar7
  66. Dumbo 说:

    罗。

    If it was created anywhere, it was created in Israel. To wipe out Palestinians and other dirty Arabs. But, the virus escaped the lab, and ended up first in Iran, then in China (it jumped Pakistan, because it could not withstand the smell of curry). By the time it reached Europe, however, it had mutated to a more benevolent form, similar to a bad flu, but the Globalist “never let a crisis go to waste” Masters who were waiting for years for a “pandemic” to impose controls and economic subjugation, decreed lockdowns all over, to make the proles poor and become even richer.

    Or, perhaps…. Since plans for a reaction against a global pandemic following almost exactly the same script that was later put in practice have been detailedly written years ago by several (John Hopkins Institute, WEF, Bill & Manlinda, etc)… perhaps we can talk of a “plandemic”, with the intention to advance the same things that they wanted to advance anyway – digital cash, digital life, mandatory vaccines every year, vaccine passports, tracking apps, “merging of personal, virtual and genetic information” (Schwab). And the “lab leak” or “bioweapon” angle is just another distraction.

  67. GeeBee 说: • 您的网站
    @Mustapha Mond

    中国是新的“希特勒”

    我们中的一些人已经在这里说了几个月,也许一年多。 这句话在某种程度上具有讽刺意味,因为绝大多数凭经验阅读它的人不仅无法理解这五个词的真正含义,而且会认为它们的含义与现实截然相反。 如果我必须为了那些可能会感到困惑的人的利益而拼写出来,大多数人会立即想到“啊! 那我们就要不惜一切代价反对中国”,而他们应该说的是“中国加油! 你能行的!”

    无论如何,你有没有链接到联合国安理会会议上的中国声明,因为我似乎找不到你在引用什么? 谢谢。

    • 回复: @Mustapha Mond
  68. @RichardTheThird

    不计算唯物主义者的精神奴隶。

    不妨开始谈论普珥节、以色列和战争。

    西方还没有对死亡的出现、业力的积累和下地狱的现象感到头疼。 太幼稚,没有历史,对电脑屏幕着迷。

    • 同意: EoinW
    • 回复: @Polemos
  69. @RichardTheThird

    “……从耶路撒冷统治。”

    开始看起来像“从耶路撒冷通过联合国被统治”

  70. It so happens that the date of first cases of Covid-19 in this country has just been pushed back to around mid-December 2019.

    https://fortune-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/fortune.com/2020/12/01/december-2019-covid-arrival-us/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16237816520751&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ffortune.com%2F2020%2F12%2F01%2Fdecember-2019-covid-arrival-us%2F

    I wonder what that does to the whole story of where the disease really started. It could have started earlier given the average incubation period of 12 days.

  71. @Anonymous

    Mike Pompeo—is that you? If not—are you Peter Navarro? Mnuchen?? Diamond Dallas Page ???Dick Cheney???? Donnie Trump ????? Blinken ??????

  72. mex-e-can 说:

    This was reported on a year ago or more, bio-weapon attack by usa gone wrong, the spooks have been messing things up for decades, it has all been documented. Jounalists don’t seem to do any research or read relevant information. Also there is another lab in Wuhan operated by pirbright. Does the name serco mean anything to anyone?

  73. The primary result of the Great DemPanic is turning out to be a substantially heightened state of enmity between the US and China. War is in the interest of neither, yet here we are. Likewise with the US-Russia tensions. War is in the interest of neither, yet the tensions continue to increase. In both cases, it is the US which supplies the provocations.

    It’s almost as if the “rogue element” within the US government isn’t so much rogue as it is in complete control of the entire apparatus–to include the media, big tech, the educational system, the judicial system, and the financial system–as if the “rogue element” is actually the intelligence service of a foreign nation with a history of warmongering and false flag events operating at will and with impunity through our own intelligence services–as if the “rogue element” were motivated by a pathological imperative to rule the world by way of setting all rival sources of power at each other in mutually assured destruction.

    • 同意: Iris, anonym25, gay troll
  74. anon999 说:

    What makes Mr. Unz’s suggestions unlikely is the presumed risk calculation by the alleged perpetrators; who are sociopathic, maybe, but not stupid.

    There is a profound lack of accuracy and precision in the delivery of chemical and biological agents.

    Therefore, it just doesn’t seem plausible that any rational individual would go forward with such a plan knowing the risks of unintended consequences. And there was obviously no contingency plan in place.

    Furthermore, if there was any substance behind these claims of an intentional biological attack, wouldn’t the Chinese be exploiting this for its propaganda value? The ramifications are too big to dismiss the silence over these allegations as just 安静 Chinese satisfaction over the United States falling victim to its own machinations.

    Complicating things further is the research relationship between China and the US.

    The Chinese have been too silent on this matter. Assuming these allegations are authentic, then they have all the resources necessary to turn this against the US.

    但事实并非如此。

    • 同意: Dnought
  75. Dave C. 说:

    I respectfully disagree with Mr. Unz’s theory of a Covid-19 virus leak or intentional release from a U.S. laboratory. His theory ignores the science and the priciple of Occam’s Razor – the simplest of competing theories is preferred to the more complex.

    事实:

    1. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been studying bat viruses similar to Covid-19 for many years and publishing papers on the topic in widely-available scientific journals, including information on controversial “gain of function” research related to making these viruses more virulent – supposedly in order to produce information on developing vaccines for viruses. (Or as a smokescreen to use such viruses as bioweapons.) Through the intermediary grantee EcoHealth Alliance (run by Peter Daszak ) United States funds were given to the WIV for virus research. Since these funds were obviously fungible, it is likely they also went to virus gain of function research. (Senator Rand Paul has accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of lying about this before Congress.) Peter Daszak attempted to cover all this up by submitting a false article denying the possibility of a Wuhan Lab leak to the medical journal The Lancet, which was exposed and then withdrawn by the journal as completely bogus.

    [更多]

    2. The Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) virus has been thoroughly analyzed over the past year by hundreds of scientists around the world, with many scientific papers published. Even in the early statges, it was apparent that this appeared to be a mutated or modified bat virus similar to those being studied at the laboratory. This was denied by pro-China leftist scentists and ignored by the leftist media.

    3. While claiming transparency, Communist Chinese scientists withheld critical infomation on the Covid-19 virus, including genetic information that would have clearly exposed a laboratory modification from a bat virus – including a genome sequence that is highly improbable in nature, but could have easily been “spliced” in the laboratory.

    4. Several scientists at the WIV, who where known publically for their work, either died from Covid-19 in the earliest stages of the outbreak or have simply “disappeared” from their formerly public positions.

    5. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) initially did not restrict travel out of the Wuhan region when they knew that the virus was spreading like wildfire in that region. Contrary to Mr. Unz argument, the virus could have easily traveled to Iran from Wuhan. According to Wikipedia and numerous other on-line sources, Iran has visa-free travel for all Chinese citizens, and the two countries recently signed a 25-year cooperation agreement. So there must have been significant business, diplomatic, and military personnel travel going on betwee the two countries in late 2019 and early 2020. Also, Russia and Iran were participating in extensive war games with China in late 2019 and early 2020, another possible source for spread to both Iran and Russia.

    6. According to news reports, there are at least two Chinese defectors in the U.S., one public, one still under wraps with the Defense Intelligence Agency who have said that the Covid-19 likely escaped from the WIV. Over the past week, it has been widely reported that the DIA defector has given them extensive information about the WIV lab leak. It has also been reported that the DIA also just recently revealed the defector to the CIA and FBI, since they believe those two agencies are filled with leakers and possibly also Chinese spies.

    7. No intermediate animal host has been found that could have transferred the Covid-10 to humans (as has been the case with other similar viruses from Asia.) This is VERY important to indicate a lab leak.

    8. According to several news reports, previous visits by international scientists indicated that the WIV had inadequate safeguards for a Level-4 biocontainment laboratory.

    9. Over the past month, since Nicholas Wade’s article (below) the Wuhan Lab leak theory has finally gained traction, but former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has indicated in several recent interviews that the U.S. government already knew this last year, but for intelligence reasons this was not fully revealed. I would speculate the likely reason for this is that that they suspected (but could not yet prove) that the “leak” may have been INTENTIONAL, as a Chinese military attack (see Redstate article below on defector information). If proven at that time, the U.S. could have been considering a military response or serious international sanctions. Biden, of course will never do this, even if it is proven.

    I am sure OUR bioweapons laboratories had the virus FULLY analyzed last year and could easily tell that it was likely a laboratory-modified bat virus from the WIV – derived from one of the several bat viruses that the WIV had previously publically acknowledged studying for gain of function research. Our bioweapons labs (reportedly doing only defensive research to comply with treaties) have the most advanced equipment available in the world. Just as military technology, they are probably 20 years ahead of the private sector. (Remember the stealth fighters/bombers? – developed in the late 1970s). Even though there were some serious lab-leak theory articles last year predating Wade’s , the idiots in the leftist U.S. media obviously never investigated this because of their pro-China (and anti-Trump) bias.

    So, using Occam’s razor on all this and you come to one conclusion – Wuhan Institute of Virology lab leak.

    COVID的起源:人或自然界是否在武汉打开了潘多拉魔盒?
    https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

    实验室泄漏理论:在揭开 COVID-19 起源的斗争中
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

    专家病毒学家声称“科学证据表明病毒是在实验室开发的”
    https://redstate.com/scotthounsell/2021/06/09/expert-virologist-claims-scientific-evidence-points-to-the-conclusion-that-the-virus-was-developed-in-a-lab-n394006

    An unlikely genome sequence is evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab, two U.S. experts say
    https://nationalpost.com/news/world/unlikely-genome-sequencing-and-a-lack-of-genetic-diversity-provide-evidence-that-covid-19-originally-leaked-from-a-lab-according-to-two-experts-but-the-origins-of-the-virus-remain-unclear

    “华尔街日报”
    The Science Suggest a Wuhan Lab Leak
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

    EXCLUSIVE: Defector Provides Evidence That the Chinese Military Orchestrated the Creation of COVID-19 and Lab Leak
    https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/06/11/exclusive-defector-provides-evidence-that-the-chinese-military-orchestrated-the-creation-of-covid-19-and-lab-leak-n395384

    • 谢谢: ivan
    • 回复: @anonym25
  76. @gay troll

    ” Gomez old chap —–Barcelona Spain is where this all started March 2019—-then came Italy September 2019 —again a 10 year old boy in Milan November 2019—France had some Covid counts in the autumn of 2019 and so did Belgium. The outbreak in Wuhan was not at the wet market but closer to where the Games were held but still some distance away,. NOW –these 3 —–elderly couple and middle age son reported December 27 and stated they had nothing to do with the Wet Market but were at a locale where furs are dressed —. USA and Denmark —-Denmark setup the spy network on Europe and more interestingly —Danes culled a huge population of mink and now have exhumed their corpses and cremated them —although locals complained of the sickening aroma when the deteriorating mink were uncovered. Again—“Something is Rotten in Denmark” old chap and those mink casualities —-were they deliberately infected or was it again Mother Nature ?? BMW Sherlock —Bats / Mink/ Wuhan ???” —-and I know John Watson is a plodding but persistent scholar.

    • 回复: @GMC
    , @frontier
    , @Ron Unz
  77. Anon[185]• 免责声明 说:

    The response of the Chinese to the outbreak was surprisingly extreme and martial. Recall, early on this seemed to be a typical, but strong, seasonal type of Flu. The amatuer videos posted on Social Media from mid-Jan to Mid-Feb coming from Wuhan showed a fully mobilized hard core Military style response. Anyone who followed these unedited videos could only conclude the Chinese treated the outbreak as a major attack. What would cause the Chinese to go into full on war mode ?

    Wildly speculative – but consider a Chinese cabinet meeting early in Januray; agenda item; a the outbreak of some flu in Wuhan. Imagine the Minister of Intelligence suggesting ‘This might be a low level bioweapon attack from Fort Detrick, etc.,etc.’ The Chinese response to the Flu outbreak makes complete sense in this scenario.

    BTW – These amatuer videos of Wuhan were all blocked/shutdown around Mid-February.

    • 回复: @Liborio Guaso
  78. Anonymous[102]• 免责声明 说:

    作为“生物武器”,COVID 很糟糕。 作为“重构社会”的武器,看看你周围。

    如果有的话 病毒和糟糕的只是封面?

    • 同意: R2b
  79. Dave C. 说:

    一项更正:
    Peter Daszak 在《柳叶刀》医学杂志上的信(不是文章)否认武汉实验室泄漏的可能性,已被其他科学家广泛曝光为无稽之谈,但《柳叶刀》并未正式“撤回”它,因为它只是一个信(Dasazak 得到了其他 27 位科学家的签名),而不是同行评审的医学论文。

    友情链接:
    Facebook 的“独立事实核查员”如何引用武汉实验室资助者彼得·达扎克 (Peter Daszak) 秘密组织的信函,以“揭穿”泄密理论并惩罚探索它的新闻媒体。
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9655057/Facebook-fact-checkers-cited-Lancet-letter-Wuhan-lab-funder-Peter-Daszak-debunk-lab-leak.html

    精英期刊在武汉实验室泄漏辩论中的作用受到审查
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/elite-journals-under-scrutiny-over-role-wuhan-lab-leak-debate

  80. Assuming this theory’s viewpoint: China’s a big place. It was arrogant for the Deep State to start a plandemic from one location. Certainly there’s more than one biolab in all of Egg Roll Land to cast blame upon.

    BTW if the Illuminati wants to thin the herd, the astonishing plummet of natural testosterone and male fertility is the way. No one is sounding the alarm on these, either.

    https://www.healio.com/news/endocrinology/20120325/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed

  81. mcohen 说:
    @Ron Unz

    比特币和 covid 19 出生在同一个屋檐下。它们是战略性金融武器。
    这个异想天开的帖子只是一种消遣。

    • 同意: R2b
    • 不同意: Gapeseed
  82. 斑点怪是天花的古称。
    福奇讽刺......玛丽·沃特利·蒙塔古夫人负责在英格兰天花中引入天花,这严重毁坏了她美丽的脸庞
    9 年 1721 月 XNUMX 日,查尔斯·梅特兰 (Charles Maitland) 获得了对纽盖特 (Newgate) 六名囚犯进行审判的皇家许可
    华盛顿:在开始新的军事行动之前,他的所有士兵都染上了静脉曲张
    天花的幸存者对这种疾病免疫
    治愈:每二十四小时喝十二瓶小啤酒

    • 回复: @orchardist
  83. Iris 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    it would seem to be incumbent upon Ron to provide at least some plausible vector by which the Americans could have accomplished what he denies the Chinese as having any means or method of carrying out.

    There is no need to provide such obvious explanations.

    It would have been dead easy to transport and spray the virus from ordinary-looking medical devices, such as those commonly used by asthma-sufferers, or even from simple aerosol cans-like equipment.

    The delivery device could have been disguised as asthma inhaler, e-cigarette container, can of deodorant, can of cool water mist, and the list goes on.. Any of these objects could have been used in public, in high population-density hubs (the Huanan seafood market?) for maximum efficacy, without even being noticed or suspected by the surrounding public.

    Finally, Wuhan is indeed a very important commercial and academic centre, visited by people from countries all across the Global South.
    But this does not explain why the city of Qom, of all places, was hit almost simultaneously and with a similar virus strain than Wuhan, unless one argues that the largest contingent of foreign tourist to Wuhan is from Qom. A simple coincidence is hard to believe.

    • 回复: @Craig Nelsen
    , @ThreeCranes
  84. frankie p 说:
    @Anonymous

    罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz)

    与这个公正的陌生人交谈,他会说你是理性的、有根据的、一丝不苟的,你得出的结论完全可信。 当缺乏证据时,您承认缺乏证据,但同样地,您将各种松散的结果捆绑在一起,这些结果总是指向您的结论。

    Also , you should have a button on your blog that says “unhinged Jewish neocon supporter of Israel.” Methinks such a button is relevant with this troll.

  85. @Max Payne

    Iran regularly has mysterious explosions and other marks of saboteurs operating freely in Iran. Mossad has penetrated deep into Iran, and I read something recently that quoted a high-ranking Israeli official bragging about how they knew everything about the Iranian nuclear weapon effort, who was working on what, the motives and methods of the individuals involved, and so on. Israel, I would say, is the likely source of the virus that hit Iran’s political elite. (But that’s ok, I’m sure some of them had chanted “Death to Israel” when they were in college, so murdering them is fine.)

    Also, I’ll bring it up again: there is the very odd incident of a Taiwanese television sports program doing a segment on the Wuhan military games, going on and on about how poorly the American team had done (the American team always does poorly–not poorly, but poorly) and connecting the virus to team members. The program credited an Israeli blogger with giving them the story. That’s a very strange thing if you think about it. Why would an Israeli be feeding a story to a Chinese language media outlet that clearly was meant to raise Chinese suspicions of the US being the source of the virus? It only makes sense if the real point of the covid-19 event was to gin up tensions between the US and China. It wouldn’t be the first time Zion has been accused of “Let’s you and him fight.”

    There was also the very early announcement–like, the first week– by an Israeli company that they already had a vaccine. It was all over the news for six hours and 28 minutes then abruptly disappeared forever. Exactly as if a squirrel in a sprawling conspiracy had darted off in the wrong direction until suddenly yanked back into line by the squirrel herder.

    并且,当国防部否认表明美国军方比中国政府更早知道疫情的确凿信件时,如果这是真的,肯定会激怒中国人,这是一家以色列报纸公开证实了中国政府的存在。信。

    我的问题是:以色列在疫苗接种方面遥遥领先,但他们接种了什么疫苗? 谁可以访问该信息以及如何对其进行验证?

    • 同意: anonym25
    • 回复: @Iris
    , @anonym25
    , @JWalters
  86. gotmituns 说:

    Covid BioWeapon:美国制造,瞄准中国
    -----------------------
    BS – Covid was not made. It’s an illusion propped up by massive Media, Government, “Educational” collusion. The only thing made and kept up is the Hysteria of the mentally disoriented population.

    • 同意: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @Stonehands
  87. @mijj

    “A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.” and this means –it was earlier than Wuhan—????

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  88. re: Covid is a bioweapon against China.

    By now it is my impression that Covid is in fact just one step in a geographically very large “Great Reset” project whose aims are:
    – “Population Control” which is a technical-sounding term for mass sterilisation and huge mass killings to reduce the world population by half and – of course – destroy the white populations.
    – Steal all the wealth created by the 99% and transfer it to the 1% (objective already partly achieved by lockdowns)
    – Make the 1% the overlords of the world and make the 99% their slaves.

    I think this is the real scenario unfolding now and the 1% have telegraphed their intentions with enough conferences by Bill Gates and others for years now. I also feel that the heavy insistence that the 1% are putting on vaccinations shows that the “jabs” are a very important tool for them – let’s see what this year’s autumn and winter bring as consequences.

  89. John Wear 说:

    Another possibility is that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist.

    Dr. Andrew Kaufman, M.D. states that what is identified under the microscopes as the SARS-CoV-2 virus is actually identical to exosomes, which are structures that release toxins from cells. Such toxins can result from numerous sources such as flu shots having no relationship to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Dr. Kaufman states that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated according to Robert Koch’s four postulates. Koch’s postulates are:

    1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
    2. 微生物必须从患病有机体中分离出来,并在纯培养物中生长。
    3. The cultured organism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
    4. The micro-organism must be re-isolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent

    None of these four postulates has been performed by doctors or scientists to prove that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists.

    用于检测SARS-CoV-2病毒的测试起源于1983年Kary Mullis发明的聚合酶链反应(PCR)。 实时PCR,以下简称为RT-PCR,是检测和定量所选基因表达谱的常用工具。 但是,穆利斯说RT-PCR测试不应该用于测试传染病。 因此,发明人已经描述了用于诊断SARS-CoV-2病毒的RT-PCR测试不适用于诊断病毒。 穆利斯于2019年XNUMX月去世,不幸的是他不再去面试。

    • 哈哈: L.K
  90. Hans 说:
    @RichardTheThird

    这是人们应该知道的老歌: 耶路撒冷邪恶的根源 – 黄金报告

    这份报告会让一些人感到震惊和不安; 这是我推迟了 4 年多的时间。 在与它斗争之后,我决定现在是时候写它了。 知道它可能会被误解为反犹太主义。 上帝保佑我一个犹太人永远不会说或做任何被认为是远程的事情,但我必须承认这份报告对我来说并不容易。 事实仍然是,邪恶势力已经在耶路撒冷建立并蔓延到整个以色列,为末日和敌基督的席位做准备。 因为如果我们要相信敌基督将在圣殿山上占有一席之地,那么我们必须掌握一些今天没有传讲的真理。 一个这样的事实是,如果要发生这种情况,即使在我们说话的时候,魔鬼的这种举动也必须进行。 或者我们根本就不是末日。 这份报告将证明这一举措正在进行中,并且已经沉寂了一段时间。 它会被一些人接受,而另一些人会拒绝,但事情就是这样。

    在这份报告中,我将使用许多展示光明会成立的图片,并证明我们称之为新世界秩序的那些人有一个恶魔般的阴谋。 展示由罗斯柴尔德家族设计和支付的新以色列最高法院大楼的建筑设计反映了自由共济会和光明会的存在。 除了您将要看到的一张照片之外,我拍摄了所有照片,因此我可以保证您所看到的都是真实的和到位的。

    https://thegoldenreport.net/the-roots-of-evil-in-jerusalem/

  91. gatobart 说:
    @RussianWannabe

    Innocent child. No one needs to be infiltrating India to get therm on all fours licking the backside of their “former” Anglo Saxon colonial masters and provoking Russia or China..! Or that of the money changers of Wall Street. They love doing it…! to India the saying “a slave loves his chains” applies to perfection. Mahatma Gandhi was a fraud, the greatest political fraud of the postwar period, as much as Nelson Mandela. There was never a real Indian independence, their much vaunted bloodless and peaceful independence was nothing but a travesty because they have never wanted to break the chains that tie them to the zombified Anglo Saxon empires.

  92. Remembering old times. They were the great-grandchildren of those who gave smallpox-contaminated blankets to the Reds to kill them and steal their land.

  93. Alfred 说:
    @GMC

    It’s just not one Lab , there had to be many labs or spreaders , inorder to go from China to Iran to Europe to the South Pacific and the operation is ongoing …

    完全正确。

    Back in 2001, in the UK, we had the BSE crisis and the Foot and Mouth crisis almost in tandem. A vast number of cows and sheep were slaughtered and incinerated. Famous herds of cattle that were the result of hundreds of years of breeding disappeared. Many farmers went bankrupt. Others committed suicide. You can guess who benefited. Now, they are even banning free-range chickens in the UK.

    In the case of Foot and Mouth, the governments pretended that some “animal rights” group had stolen a phial from a high-security area – Porton Down. BS. Impossible. Many cubic metres of infected fluid was required to spread this infection across thousands of farms. Obviously, it was the work of the government.


    Five million carcasses and counting (2001)

    When foot-and-mouth disease stopped the UK in its tracks

    For a serious explanation, try this link:

    宣传和媒体:第 1 部分 - 简介

    It is pretty obvious that infections such as swine flu are being deliberately spread in China. Why should Covid-19 be any different?

    • 谢谢: Schuetze
    • 回复: @Old and Grumpy
    , @GMC
  94. GMC 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    Interesting scenario G A. To add to your observations, there is one unique symptom of this virus and of the 6 people that I know that got it, including myself, is that you lose your sence of smell and or taste. most people get the senses back , some don’t, some get 1/2 back, but the bottom line is – after getting struck with other colds, flu, sinus and respiratory infections, over my 70 yrs, I never had the senses go away like this. This symptom should be in the records of the people that first got this type virus prior to 2020- logically – lol.

    Another interesting virus was going around a year or two before this Corona one I believe. My wife in Russia and an old old friend in Chicago, who I stay in touch with, got this sinus infection and both of them lost their sense of smell . One of them lost total the smell sense and one lost about 1/2. A data base on these type of symptoms , sure would be interesting , but Good luck with that. Thanks.

  95. moi 说:
    @Chris Moore

    The JOS (Jewish Only State) works closely with our spooks and the Deep State, which to me is the collective term for the powers centers that call the shots for the Dumbs/Repugs. In fact, the JOS and American Jews are the most powerful components of the Deep State. Recall how quickly our FBI dropped any investigation into the dancing Israelis and some 200 “art” students following 9/11. Of course, 9/11 itself was never really investigated–but fortunately they found the passport of one of the 19 evil ones (LOL)!!!

  96. EoinW 说:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Love the name. Yes we are one step closer to Test Tube human beings!

    • 谢谢: Mustapha Mond
  97. @Alfred

    Not just UK labs. A unknown lab from Exton, PA in the early 90’s offered to buy our “closed” herd of Guernsey cows to do mad cow disease experiments on. Supposedly for cures. That’s when I knew it wasn’t sheep brains causing the outbreak in Britain. Now here in PA we have deer with the disease. So yes things can escape, but our masters want us to eat bugs in pods. Who cares how many living things they kill to achieve that.

    • 谢谢: Alfred
  98. You forgot the Italians got an European strain very bad. Romans and Persian dying… oh my. China is currently flying fighter jets over Taiwan and their economy has grown quite well. So if it was an operation of sorts against China, it failed miserably. I still think we need to consider the protein based vaccine as the actual potential weapon. If it is, the target was first world humanity. Particularly the western European based ones. Hmm… wonder who the winner is here? How many of you boomer haters gave your DNA and paid for a genetic analysis? Have no clue what the truth is. However if we go down the rabbit hole that China was not the perpetrator, there are more potential evil players out there.

  99. @sonofman

    谢谢。 回到现实。 从那里重新开始。 Covid 作为一种医学现象,本身毫无用处。 它是社会再造的借口,是权力圈子沉迷于其中的神明。 金矿将是影响者@media,包括 [电子邮件保护],任何地方,任何地方的政客。 真正的敌人是全球过剩人口,它需要被淘汰(在思想精英眼中)和生物武器,如果展示效率和谨慎是全球任何权力圈的一部分。 正如您的评论所暗示的那样,它们(生物武器)现在还不是,而且是随意而高效的,尚未准备好成为中心舞台。 尽可能多的化学试剂被定义为 nots(自由裁量权)。 以及核武器如何大部分被卡住(在加沙进行的最新测试有望打破禁闭)。 到那时,等待更多支持重置的举措(人口控制,他们的数量,底层数量,种族和阶级划分控制,阶级阶层,阶层动态(移民等))通过使用psy-操作。

  100. I can’t “buy” the rogue element of this story. The propaganda is too pervasive to be anything but a full-fledged bio-attack by the deep-state and the protection rackets (insurance, medicine, military, etc) they employ to enslave the masses. A Bio-Attack? Yes! A Rogue Element? NO!

    • 同意: GMC
    • 回复: @Mustapha Mond
    , @Ron Unz
  101. Stonehands 说:
    @sonofman

    伙计,这种景象仅适用于真正的 Covid(tm) 信徒。 不要用冷酷的事实来侮辱那些无知的人。 这场闹剧是由全球寡头及其集体歇斯底里的骗局带给你的,目的是摆脱古怪、虚荣的特朗普; 或者,更确切地说,让他通过宣布国家紧急状态、邮寄选票和延长投票来挽回面子,从而制造最大程度的欺诈和更换傀儡。

  102. EoinW 说:

    I’ve not wanted to accept it was a deliberate bioweapons release because if some people could do that then there was worse to come. Last summer I figured that if it was deliberate then Sweden would be targeted with a more deadly virus in order to punish the Swedes for proving that lockdowns/masks are useless. That didn’t happen. It wasn’t necessary as the media simply lied about Sweden – thus eliminating the Swedish success in their minds and the minds of the sheeple who trust them.

    At this point I would say it was a deliberate bioweapon attack. China & Iran are pretty convincing points that it was western oriented and on purpose. Which means my fear has been realized that a 2nd, more deadly, bioweapon has come next.

    This is how I piece together the process:

    1) deliberate release directed at America’s enemies.

    2) do nothing to prevent the virus from spreading to the West.

    Remember all leaders – except Trump – demanded that borders remain open even though they knew it was letting the virus in. It was part of their plan. Right on cue, the end of March, nearly every western nation did exactly the same thing: lockdowns. They were more than ready for this. Yes Sweden & Belarus didn’t stick with the plan but they were too small to matter. Trump also refused to impose a national lockdown. They dealt with him in November.

    We’re talking about the Davos elites here. They are just as incompetent as they are immoral. Thus it’s no surprise their plan initially failed. Covid 19 was a flop. It killed less than 1% and only killed people who would have died anyway(2020 death totals are right on average).

    They did save the situation nicely by creating a fake pandemic using endless lies and fearmongering. That set us up for Plan B – the second bioweapon attack.

    If you release a bioweapon into the environment and it fails to deliver the depopulation you desire then what do you do next? You inject your next bioweapon directly into a person’s body. Spike proteins from covid can be dealt with by healthy people. Spike proteins through a vaccine appear to have a greater chance of hijacking immune systems.

    This explains why the tradition of a minimum 10 years testing has been abandoned and authorities are calling 6 month tested mRNA vaccines safe. It explains why the vaccines were not stopped when 25-50 people had died. Instead governments push harder to get 100% vaccinated. Even targeting children now! Their bioweapon is working better than covid 19. Full steam ahead!

    Yes that’s all speculation but it does make sense. Perhaps not to a sane person, however those who rule us are lunatics. Offering free ice cream to 12 year olds to get vaccinated? They are truly insane. It is my hope that anyone who encourages or gives these vaccines to children will one day be swinging from the end of a rope.

    • 同意: Alfred
  103. @Anon

    And if the main objective was always Iran and China was just a distraction about the origin of the virus. Recall that Trump and his group were obsessed with the Persian nation and were looking for ways to attack it to please Israel. And if Soleimani was murdered in cold blood, the other is quite possible. This seems the most possible.

  104. @GeeBee

    你好吉比

    100% 同意你的观察。

    很高兴提供链接:

    https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-race-and-ethnicity-anti-semitism-54fd7d8a6b42c6afcfdb3dc2b16f7e0e

    (I’ve linked this story I believe three times previously here on Unz in prior comments, so I got a wee bit lazy on this comment. Sorry.)

    谢谢你的好回复。

  105. Did Mike Whitney conduct this interview as penitence so his anti-vax articles will return to the front page of the Unz Review?

  106. @RussianWannabe

    I wanted to add that PM Modi is a huge supporter of Israel, their tactics and their racist ideology (which most Hindutvas like Modi share, unfortunately, especially hatred of Islam and muslims.)

    Israel was the very first country PM Modi visited upon taking office, spending a number of days there hanging with Bibi, and totally ignoring the Palestinians, thumbing his nose and snubbing them 100%.

    Modi knows exactly what side his racist matzohs are buttered on, no doubt! He’s no dummy, that’s for sure…….

  107. Leo Den 说:
    @gay troll

    “伊朗做到了,伊朗做到了。”
    “不用等了…… 俄罗斯做到了,俄罗斯做到了。”
    “不用等了……中国做到了,中国做到了。”

    与华盛顿
    它从来都不是真正的罪魁祸首。

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

    • 回复: @Anon
  108. St-Germain 说:
    @Ron Unz

    干得好,罗恩·恩兹。 鉴于“自然起源”学派的脆弱的、主要是媒体基础,以及缺乏任何确凿的证据来证明新保守派支持的武汉实验室泄漏的竞争性解释,你有充分理由得出结论,这是一场误射的美国生物战在中国和伊朗应该成为大流行病调查的最先进技术。

    然而,这三种理论都摇摇欲坠地建立在世卫组织宣布的大流行的同一个乐观假设上,即:地球现在确实被一种和同一种新型 Covid-19 病毒所困扰,这种病毒据称非常致命。 有多致命? 你刚刚和某人的 0.2% 的死亡率统计数据争吵,说:

    实际上,大多数证据表明 Covid 死亡率远高于您声称的,可能至少为 0.5%。

    就尸体而言,将这两个数字分开的数量级,更不用说在过去 16 个月内由传统媒体引用的超级可靠的权威机构歇斯底里地报道的许多其他猜测和道听途说,使这种方法有点可疑. 如果薛定谔的猫在统计上已经死亡,我们希望查看尸体。 到目前为止,我们中的大多数寻求者只剩下关于孤立的个人健康悲剧的二手轶事。

    我住在欧洲的地方,在可怕的 2020 年电晕年中根本没有大流行,尽管对基本自由有疯狂的准戒严法限制。 根据该省约 2020 万法定死亡证明的官方年度统计数据,与过去 XNUMX 年的平均死亡率相比,XNUMX 年因任何原因死亡的人数有所减少。 为此,我们必须重演中世纪的黑死病套路吗?

    我还看到来自美国和英国其他司法管辖区的类似报道,奇怪的是,企业政府媒体从未调查过不一致的统计信息。 非洲大部分地区甚至俄罗斯是否存在大流行病也难以量化。 人们可能会怀疑这种致命病毒主要在美国及其欧盟的附庸国肆虐,在那里数百万人被 24/7 的媒体炒作迷住了。 如果目的是散播足够多的恐慌,以证明用未经测试的疫苗射击几乎所有人都是合理的,那么它就成功了。 但这使它只是另一个狡猾的公共政策,而不是医学科学。

    没有必要重述可调整 PCR 测试的闹剧或将尽可能多的医院死亡归咎于神秘病毒的胁迫和激励措施。 诸如#18,sonofman 之类的评论已经涵盖了它。 我们可以永远讨论一种假定的祸害的起源,这种祸害以波浪和变种形式出现,这些变种会暂时引起那些能够接触主流媒体的专家的幻想。 难道正如 CJ Hopkins 在 UR 上反复告诉我们的那样,这次奇怪的演习的目的是将我们所有人都赶到寡头统治的反乌托邦大重置社会中,而我们其他人则是可牺牲的农奴吗?

  109. @Iris

    “It would have been dead easy to transport and spray the virus from ordinary-looking medical devices, such as those commonly used by asthma-sufferers, or even from simple aerosol cans-like equipment.”

    Or just infect the US military team before they left for China. Someone said they train right next to Ft Detrick. And didn’t several team members get sick while they were there? And the objection that the US wouldn’t do that because they would bring the dempanic back with them is removed, if, in fact, this was a Mossad operation. It wouldn’t matter.

  110. @Ron Unz

    实际上,大多数证据表明 Covid 死亡率远高于您声称的,可能至少为 0.5%。

    Source for this probable claim?

    • 谢谢: Realist, St-Germain
  111. Realist 说:
    @sonofman

    犹太复国主义者在美国拥有权力只是因为仍然占多数的欧洲裔美国人的民主党和共和党政客允许他们拥有权力。

    对此,我同意。

    人民和非政治家特朗普总统正在与失窃的选举作斗争。 The problem is that President Trump has to fight establishment politicians from both parties who have for decades used fraudulent electronic voting to get elected.

    对此,我不同意。 特朗普是深州的同谋。 他与权力精英的战斗是一场表现不佳的骗局。

    • 回复: @sally
  112. utu 说:

    Why Mike Whitney? If Ron Unz interrogated Mike Whitney about the bizarre ideas about Covid-19 that Mike Whitney kept spreading from the beginning of the pandemic that would be somewhat interesting and would help to undo damage Ron Unz’s caused for giving Mike Whitney platform to spread disinformation for over one year. By choosing Mike Whitney as a vehicle to popularize his own hypothesis of the origin of the pandemic is self defeating. Does Ron Unz want to be taken seriously or he puts his hypothesis on par with the nonsense that Mike Whitney spreads?

    • 同意: Johnny Rico
    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
    , @PetrOldSack
  113. @Chris Moore

    If the average American aids and abets ZOG by being a patriot, then yes he is right. If you celebrate the Fourth of July, you’re the problem.

    • 回复: @Boomthorkell
  114. Realist 说:
    @Anonymous

    It’s possible that the US specifically planted the virus in Wuhan in order to blame the lab there for the leak.

    All the points in your comment are excellent and insightful. But it is more than 可能…it is very likely.

  115. @Verymuchalive

    This is an interview.

    Interviews don’t generally come with references.

    If you want references, read any of Mr Unz’ previous articles on the subject.

  116. @Jimmy The Cop

    This is big, really big. It seems highly likely that it’s too big to be a small rogue group, especially in making sure the bug is cooked to perfection.

    And we all know folks in-the-know can keep secrets (think Manhattan Project, Operation Overlord, 9/11 false flag, etc.)

    As we sit here today, who knows what really happened? Maybe it was a small rogue group, but I doubt it based on how big this thing really is, and was from the start. Operation Warp Speed did not spring out of thin air.

    But large or small, the target was China and the world-wide blowback was clearly foreseeable (or the US military wouldn’t have been warning Israel and NAZO back in mid-November 2019 that a ‘cataclysmic disease outbreak’ was happening in Wuhan, would they?), so it seems reasonable to think that this is bigger than a small rogue group. And it has proven very, very profitable for the Big Boys. Too much sugar being spread around among the pigs at the very top too quickly. The whole situation stinks to high heaven…..

    感谢您的回复。

    • 回复: @Donald A Thomson
  117. orchardist 说:
    @John Hagan

    G-d, you surely do some nice work!! Bravo!! (your audio especially is so clean and clear)

    谢谢!

  118. Realist 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    为什么任何拥有先进军事力量的国家——美国、中国或其他任何人——都要费心去重新发明流感? 它只是没有任何意义。

    This bioweapon was a tool…not meant to kill much of the population…but to control much of the population. It was an outstanding success.

  119. Anon[420]• 免责声明 说:
    @Leo Den

    狮子座

    To tell the truth I am so fed up with the constant finger pointing, blame shifting and story twists that I could give a shit about the what, when, where , why or who of this Hoaxvid. I think after one year plus the public would be weary of it all but apparently not. Everyday the MSM comes up with another article usually representing something along the lines of “10 things you did not know about Covid “, what the “experts” say.

    为了保持理智,我退回到了自己的泡泡里。 只要我和我所爱的人都没有它,我就可以不在乎。 适可而止。 不幸的是,容易上当的公众似乎永远得不到足够的。 他们想要胡说八道,他们得到胡说八道。

  120. @Iris

    Ron holds that it is implausible to believe that the virus was ferried from Wuhan to the leadership of the Iranian government via some go between. I argue that such a thing is not so unlikely given the trade missions China is sending everywhere in the region. Further, I ask him to explain how then, if the US military is the actual source of the virus, they were able to transmit it to the leading members of the Iranian parliament?

    You answer that someone walked about with a mister or one of those flower spray gag devises on the lapel of their suit but that begs the question. You have not accounted for how the American agent carrying the mister or asthma inhaler got within hailing distance of a meeting of the top members of the Iranian government.

    I suppose Ron could answer: “Easy, Cranes, a member of Iran’s military team would have been debriefed by ranking members of the Iranian government after he had returned home from his intelligence mission during which he posed as an athlete on the Iranian military team. U.S. intelligence had done its homework and knew precisely which members of Iran’s team were most likely to be used in such a role and targeted them for infection while in Wuhan.” Further, he would say, “We can’t have any actual record of such an encounter and so, I can’t prove to you that it happened in just that way, but it certainly isn’t implausible. In fact, it’s not only believable, it’s highly likely that such a debriefing took place. After all, the Iranians are as devious as we are and practice spying just as we do.”

    And I would reply, “Yes, and we took advantage of just that fact. Perhaps, as you say, our leaders (or a certain clique of them) were so driven by the prospect of inflicting suffering on the Iranian leadership and so caught up by their own hubris that they failed to anticipate (for the reasons you have previously stated regarding our ability to deal with the spread of a plague) that the virus would bounce back and hit us squarely between the eyes.” Or, perhaps, that clique is made up of people who didn’t care if the virus killed many Americans and destroyed our economy.

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Nancy
  121. R2b 说:

    从此。
    迈克·惠特尼 (Mike Whitney) 迷失了我。

  122. Antiwar7 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Also no results on DuckDuckGo.com. I thought they were an anti-Google?

  123. @dcthrowback

    The choice to ruin an economy really provides another motive in, say, late Feb/early Mar 2020 with an incumbent who survived Russian collusion allegations and an impeachment hearing just 3.5 weeks prior,不是吗?

    A most important point regarding that first impeachment was why Miss Nancy delayed sending the impeachment articles to the Senate for so long. No one could explain it at the time. Hardly anyone remarked that it made the Senate trial happen just when Mr. Trump should have been concentrating on the reports of a viral outbreak in China. The connection seems relevant as to which part of the deep state was responsible, especially when the Dems made such good use of the pandemic to steal the election.

    Another event of perhaps vital significance is the Israeli decision to close down their embassies worldwide on Oct. 30, 2019 and recall all their diplomats home. The reason given, a labor strike, seems suspiciously like a pretext to me. One might well impute foreknowledge.

    • 同意: DCThrowback
  124. IronForge 说:

    太棒了,Unz 先生和公司。

    谢谢; 和最好的问候。

    • 不同意: R2b
  125. @Godfree Roberts

    godfree, what do you think of the recent post on RT that russia’s numbers of deaths & cases were severely under reported? especially, as russia, putin in particular, some years prior to the pandemic had reported the usa had been taking blood samples of russians?

  126. Herald 说:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “Officialdom” in any of its present guises has no interest in telling the truth. So the WHO’s superficial inspections will do nothing to find out what actually happened or didn’t happen, but you know that as well as the rest of us do. The reference to the “99% of researchers” would be simply ridiculous, if it wasn’t coming from someone who actually knows better. It seems that you are now beholden to a political agenda and are not a seeker of truth. As for evolutionary virologists thrashing things out, this can’t happen because scientists daren’t do any such thing. It would be the end of their careers or worse, if they did, but again you know that already.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  127. hillaire 说:

    哈哈……还在说‘病毒’这种生化武器,没啥用,只能中国制造。。

    除了 WEF 硬盘上的 in-silico 之外,没有病毒……

    病毒从未被武器化,细菌是的……我不买,你也不应该买

    如果你的论文无论如何都是正确的,这到底是什么废话:

    [更多]

    向银行提供数万亿美元作为第一反应
    把旧的放在 DNR 等上
    来自武汉的假僵尸镜头
    重新定义流行病
    禁止替代药物和媒体
    假柳叶刀报道
    为什么要为covid病例支付医院费用
    空医院
    假新闻镜头
    24/7 心理操作媒体胡说八道
    假pcr测试
    假面具,社会调节..
    轻推理论
    弗格森
    下巴
    木质窗户大门
    关于在哪里可以购买的荒谬警告,丰富了亿万富翁阶层
    伟大的重置(机会)
    毫无意义的疫苗(真正的杀手)
    扼杀经济
    虚假数据
    对真正的流行病学家等进行全面审查
    当然,这些中的任何一个都可能在任何时候发生矛盾,当然会……

    它看起来更像是一个心理操作……实际上就是这样,因为它没有通过“逻辑”的所有测试……

    现在当然加利福尼亚正在排空它的水库和新的黑客“流行病”,饥荒即将来临……

    是我听到的狂喜的咯咯笑声和搓手的声音吗?

    • 谢谢: St-Germain, R2b
  128. Lorn 说:

    The second to last sentence in RonUnz’s answer to question 1;
    “Once people became aware of the basic facts of the virus, belief that it was artificial quickly collapsed.”
    Seems to me if 人造的 is replaced with natural, the sentence gives stronger support to the logic of his answer.

  129. Agent76 说:

    18 年 2021 月 19 日 Covid-84(XNUMX) 时代的大型制药公司与 G. Edward Griffin 合作!!!

    在第一次和第二次世界大战之后,德国的 IG Farben 和美国的标准石油等公司开始组建卡特尔,其单一目标是垄断整个保健行业。

    • 谢谢: emersonreturn, Adam Smith, R2b
    • 回复: @GMC
  130. Antiwar7 说:
    @Anonymous

    好笑。 关于罗恩提出的_事实_一个字也没有。

    Whatever they’re paying you, it’s too much.

  131. @brabantian

    刺突蛋白 mRNA 是一种巨大的健康和生命破坏者,未来几年死亡和受伤人数可能会不断上升,而且许多疫苗接种后流产是疫苗在造成大规模不孕症方面发挥作用的一个迹象……世界上有 15% 的人死亡到 2030 年,还有很多人无法生育?

    Then there’s a FOIA release from Japan saying that the mRNA vaccine components escape from the shoulder muscle into the bloodstream shortly after being injected, and then begin to concentrate in the ovaries of women at least within the next 24 hours.

    这不是好兆头。

    • 回复: @anon
    , @TheMoon
  132. TheMoon 说:
    @onebornfree

    That’s my usual question on a lot of these conspiracies. It’s always a multi-year, mega-operation with thousands of moving parts, and nothing ever leaks out ever, when you could accomplish the same goal with a small covert team in an afternoon.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  133. Iris 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    The program credited an Israeli blogger with giving them the story. That’s a very strange thing if you think about it. Why would an Israeli be feeding a story to a Chinese language media outlet that clearly was meant to raise Chinese suspicions of the US being the source of the virus?

    And similarly, why would Israeli intelligence sources, via their media, gratuitously prove to the world that Pentagone officials had foreknowledge of the worst peacetime catastrophe in decades, by confirming the existence of a report the American military pretended never existed a wee earlier?

    This was either an unprecedented case of betrayal, far worse than the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Or it was a deliberate action to ensure that that the American hegemon gets compromised and sis kept firmly trapped on the path of a confrontation with China.

    • 回复: @JWalters
  134. Realist 说:
    @obwandiyag

    来自共识的争论在最后一天失去了一些吸引力。

    这一直是一个逻辑谬误,至少在那些有逻辑思考的人中是这样。 也许逻辑不是你的强项。

    • 回复: @obwandiyag
  135. Dystopian 说:
    @cranc

    There is little doubt that the Chinese and American interests are in this up to their eyeballs but there has to be an international conspiracy of enormous magnitude. I’m sure that many politicians were easily manipulated to over react because it plays on their desire for power but some had to be in on it. I too wonder why Mr. Unz ignores the facts that you mention. His writing implies that he prefers the CCP to the United States but I ma not inside his head. To me it makes more sense to topple our illegitimate authoritarian government than to replace it with a foreign version.

  136. Antiwar7 说:
    @cranc

    这些都与病毒的起源无关。

    • 不同意: The Real World, thotmonger
  137. Can anyone, you too Mr Unz, name anywhere on the planet where everyone knows for a FACT, no speculation, no Fakes, no Hoaxes, where deadly virus’s were being shipped illegally, from one country to another……. Please anyone, ffs, name one, other than the only lab worldwide, making the news for shiping bat virus samples illegally, please, anyone, name the damn place. So everything written is shear specualtion of ‘where’ it came from, I can only name one place, made the news, still in the news, big hot potatoe scientists removed by police for illegally shipping bat virus; Wuhan? no, Fort Anywhere USA?, no ……China was set up by CIA in Winnipeg, Canada……samples were shipped from there, HUGE OPEN SECRET.

  138. hillaire 说:

    NB: it’s highly likely GOF work is the weaponisation of specific ‘proteins’ and nano-lipid delivery systems and we actually have real world proof of that…

    it’s actually fuck all to do with virii (a convenient fairy story)..

    …as more and more young people succumb to lethal heart problems and no doubt mass sterility after a good ‘jabbing’…

  139. Marcali 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    伊朗-中国距离4622公里。
    伦敦-德黑兰距离 4398 公里。
    伦敦人会说德黑兰在世界的另一端。 并且会是正确的。

    • 回复: @Dnought
    , @bike-anarkist
    , @Ron Unz
  140. anon[266]• 免责声明 说:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    the mRNA degrades rapidly and the spike proteins do not leave the cells the mRNA enters.

    they simply protrude from the surface of the cell and present to B-cells.

    antigen-presenting cells digest the contents of mRNA’d cells and present the S-protein to T-cells as an infection marker. It is possible that some S-protein fragments escape into the bloodstream during cell necrosis but these levels are on the order of picograms/l

    they are also biologically inert unlike natural spike.

    there is so much goddamned misinformation being bandied about on this…please just stop.

    this was not a fucking US bioweapon. The WIV is *不是* 20 miles from the wet market. the epicenter of the outbreak was not the wet market either.

    Thai intelligence alerted the US of a biological anomaly in Wuhan in September or October- this is how Trump knew it was a lab leak.

    China was having cases before the wet market outbreak.

    the simplest explanation is true- the US funded this research in China in concert with the PLA and they fucked up like they have a dozen times before and leaked a pathogen.

  141. Spike protein/prion injectees will take no solace from this report. With no possibility for survival the emphasis must shift to successor planning.

  142. TheMoon 说:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    That’s why I’ll avoid the mRNA shots. I’m 8 months pregnant and plan on two more children. I started late, so the last thing I need is any more complications.

    When I got pregnant the first time, my obgyn hands me a list of common foods and drinks to avoid, and now the government wants to inject an experimental drug into me? No thanks. You don’t even need to go to conspiracies and shadowy research for that one. I have to avoid caffeine, but untested drug is OK?

    I don’t even want the J&J one (when I’m done with babymaking) even though it seems closer to a traditional vaccine. I read it was something already existing from efforts to develop an HIV shot, but they seem to have a recurring issues with contamination where they manufacture it. Too many diversity hires, maybe. 😛

    On the other hand, the MSM seems to downplay the mRNA complications and overplay the J&J ones, which is curious.

    • 回复: @Craig Morris
    , @TKK
  143. TheMoon 说:
    @dcthrowback

    And yet he still won the election. The whole world knows. People who deny it basically look like Flat Earthers at this point.

  144. Iris 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    I suppose Ron could answer: “Easy, Cranes, a member of Iran’s military team would have been debriefed by ranking members of the Iranian government

    I think that this explanation would be over-complicated.

    Iran under sanctions is a poor country, making it easy to corrupt people into joining foreign subversion actions. An exiled faction of the Iranian opposition, the Mujahedeen Khalq, has been used for decades to find local operatives willing to commit Western-sponsored terror attacks inside Iran, for money.

    One of the most striking examples was the recent execution of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, the head of Iran’s nuclear programme. The car that exploded in front of his had been brought and set up in advance by a paid Iranian, who flew the country just before the attack.

    All paid agents had to do is spray the virus in collective facilities.
    Mosques immediately come to mind, as prayers are attended several times a day, by all classes of the Iranian society, and are ostentatiously attended by Iranian official, as part of the Islamic Republic official dogma.

    Seeding Qom with SARS-CoV2 would have been child play, far easier than Wuhan.

    • 同意: Tdstype2
  145. ld 说:
    @Anonymous

    宇宙的主宰
    地球的统治者
    我们决定谁生谁死
    以及哪些法律和谎言诞生了

    没有人会爱他们
    如果不是因为他们的核武器
    勒索制裁
    和中央情报局的幽灵

    [更多]

    偷窃和说谎
    间谍的折磨
    饥饿和死亡
    和国旗伪造

    他们粗俗粗鲁
    像黄铜一样大胆
    并期待大家
    亲他们的屁股

    特殊的民族
    谁的主要职业
    是被迫征服
    和世界统治

    不敢指出
    他们的罪行或虚伪
    或者他们可以决定
    送去民主

    直到大秋天
    结束阴谋集团
    我们必须站出来
    向这些娘们鞠躬

    • 谢谢: Ryan2
  146. idrankwhat 说:
    @A little boy in the crowd

    疫苗是真正的生物武器。

    这是对 Peter McCullough 博士的精彩视频采访,他是一位非常杰出的心脏病专家和 Covid 早期治疗专家。



    视频链接

  147. TKK 说:
    @Anonymous

    Ron Unz 听不到你的声音,因为他的钛金属脊椎和巨大的球挡住了你的脾气。

    • 哈哈: Ryan2
  148. Miha 说:

    One tiny point: Unz writes: “Iran is on the other side of the world from China”. It’s not even metaphorically on the other side of the world and anyone who cares to look at an atlas or a globe will wonder why Ron Unz would write such a thing. Out of 360 degrees, Iran and China span a subtended angle of about 45 degrees.

    • 回复: @gay troll
  149. “Immediately after the initial Wuhan outbreak, the virus began infecting Iran’s top political elites, and killing a number of them. Isn’t it implausible that a random lab-leak in Wuhan would so quickly jump to the Holy City of Qom on the other side of the world?”

    It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Israel and US created bio weapon C19 virus, and were previously involved in one of the most deadly machine virus attacks in history, launching Stuxnet worm/virus against Iran.
    “Israeli Defense Forces head Gabi Ashkenazi was celebrated for creating the Stuxnet worm/virus under his watch as a tool to undermine Iran’s nuclear program.”

    https://www.csoonline.com/article/3218104/what-is-stuxnet-who-created-it-and-how-does-it-work.html

  150. anonym25 说:
    @Dave C.

    Occam’s razor is not a irrefutable proof. It is also easy to conceive that a rogue nation decided to release this virus in Wuhan knowing full well that there was a biolab working on coronavirus. Furthermore, there are clear warning signs that something was about to happen in China. Within the first six months of 2019, the US carried out a pandemic simulation known as the Crimson simulation. In october 2019, there was another pandemic simulation called Event 201. And we find now out the British government carried out a pandemic simulation of their own. There are too many coincidences and they all point to a planned event. This isn’t a lab leak; it is biowarfare operation.

    The Chinese are certainly not dumb enough to release on their own population a pathogen which could destroy their own country. Someone else must be behing. The motivation, you might ask? To contain China’s rise.

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  151. GMC 说:
    @Alfred

    Propaganda and the Media – ya it started way back when , but the nail in the coffin was the Oreo Cookie President that passed the final Propaganda law , in order to make it , even more legal to Lie, lie and lie some more. ” We now have the Right to use Propaganda – Against the US Citizen ” Most of all the international Intel agencies know for a fact – that he is African born – but the NWO got him a Pass – even the Russians wouldn’t call him out – which has always pissed me off about Russia.

  152. anonym25 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    It is also a Mossad agent, Dany Shoham, that first started spreading the rumors of the Wuhan lab leak.

  153. TKK 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    What a fascinating theory.

    To support:

    1) Look at his eyes. Vacant. Doll’s eyes. Honestly, he is so false I can’t bear to watch him. Something is wrong. He always wears sun glasses, strange aviator shades, to block his eyes.

    2) How many times now has he said if he goes into his own thoughts: I am going to get in trouble. His own tattered brain battling “The Program”?

    3) His literal disappearance 6 months before the Election. Only appearances were virtual, which could be Deep Fake . His main interview was with….Cardi B of the WAP Fame. (Wet Ass Pussy song).

    4) Putin’s mysterious smile and retort to Biden’s claim he was a killer: “I wish him good health.”

    5) Hate to beat it into the ground, but re-watch the clip of him eating ice cream. It is like a retarded toddler. The crowd coos like he is a puppy with a cleft palate. Then a reporter asks: What is your response to Republicans who want to block an investigation of the events of Jan. 6?

    Biden’s answer ?: Eat some chocolate chocolate chip!

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  154. @Anonymous

    事实上,我发现罗恩在他的文章中脾气温和,语气谨慎。

    • 同意: TKK
  155. GMC 说:
    @Agent76

    Great interview A-76 – excellent !!

  156. @utu

    那是你的意见。 我不同意。 在我看来,这就像蓬佩奥试图夺取对叙事的控制权。

    • 不同意: utu
  157. @Ron Unz

    但由于蓬佩奥可能是此次生物战袭击的主要嫌疑人,因此提出了一个有趣的可能性。

    XNUMXD压花不锈钢板 09/26/20 Amy Coney Barrett (ACB) Rose Garden nomination “superspreader” ceremony is another highly suspicious incident befalling Trump that reeks of being a bold and reckless warning sent from Trump’s invisible enemies, or perhaps even an indiscriminate but “plausibly deniable” “Executive Action” 类型尝试。 如果这起事件实际上是故意的,那么只有在高层和/或根深蒂固的内部人士的勾结下才能采取行动。

    回顾这一事件,特朗普举行了一场大型户外玫瑰园活动,宣布他选择 ACB 来填补因 SCJ RBG 过世而空出的 SC 职位。 当时广泛报道,WH 特勤局要求 所有 外部活动的参加者必须在仪式当天参加并通过快速 Covid 测试(据报道,当时 WH 正在使用快速 rtPCR 和更快速的抗原测试方法,这两种方法均由雅培公司制造)。

    尽管采取了这些预防措施,超过 11 名重要嘉宾和新闻摄影人员,包括在仪式上戴着口罩的一些人,几乎所有人都位于最靠近舞台的前几排,以及特朗普本人,都感染了新冠病毒在事件发生后的下一周左右。

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8799193/Republican-senator-Mike-Lee-tests-positive-COVID-meeting-SCOTUS-nominee-Amy-Coney-Barrett.html

    迈克·彭斯和比尔·巴尔 坐在前排,他们 不能 据报道,他们是事件发生后感染 Covid 的人之一。

    我无法找到任何确认的报告/照片表明 庞培, or prominent “Front Row” republican senatorial advocates for ACB’s nomination like 米奇·麦康奈尔、林赛·格雷厄姆或泰德·克鲁兹, attended the Rose Garden ceremony. If true, the absence of the latter group of senators from the event seems quite anomalous, given their longstanding, strongly vocal and partisan histories of working to get “conservative” judges onto the Supreme Court. This should have been a celebration of victory for them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_COVID-19_outbreak

  158. @utu

    Totally. I’d also like to know why Nicholas Wade declined Ron’s offer to publish his article on UNZ Review.

    • 回复: @utu
  159. Anonymous[144]• 免责声明 说:
    @TheMoon

    You could get hundreds of millions around the world to take poison in just one afternoon?

    • 回复: @TheMoon
  160. Desert Fox 说:

    Covid-19 不存在,它从来没有被孤立过,因此它不存在,它是一个概念,一种幻觉,是在洛克菲勒和盖茨基金会、世界经济论坛和联合国 2030 年议程以及各国央行的疯狂头脑中创造出来的。包括美联储在内的世界,并被上述所有人一举推广到全世界。

    这种错觉被用来向世界人民灌输歇斯底里和恐惧,并驱使他们服用疫苗,这些疫苗不是疫苗,而是一种 mRNA 注射剂,它会改变 DNA 并破坏免疫系统并充当种族灭绝注入,以推进全球主义者的人口减少议程。

    武汉实验室的故事是一个经典的消遣,以证明武汉实验室故事的谎言,都是谎言,归根结底,这一切都是恶魔般的幻觉。

    • 同意: JasonT
  161. Oilman 说:

    I have been saying the exact same thing since day one. The first countries that were dealing with infections were: China, Iran, Italy, and Spain. China and Iran are enemies of the US but what about Italy and Spain? Italy, a NATO member, not only refused to quarrel with Russia but push for the abolition of all sanctions against them. That obviously infuriated NATO and the US.
    What about Spain which is another NATO member? Spain refused to buy the fear and propaganda pushed by the EU, NATO, and the US. In fact, they are favorably neutral in regards to Russia. Both Italy and Spain needed to be punished hence were the first countries in Europe to be infected.

    So yes, it was from a US lab. Make no mistake, the US is, without any doubt, a terrorist country and proven through what they have done in the past and today. Back in 2001, an exercise called Dark Winter which was about how to defeat a bio-terror attack, was promoted by the John Hopkins Center for Health Security and had many top US key players such as: the National Security Advisor, Director of Central Intelligence, Secretary of Defense, etc. The key here was to find ways to vaccinate everyone. A few months after, an anthrax attack on US soil. The problem back then was that the media was not yet fully bought and paid for hence the propaganda was not as easy to promote as it is today. For that reason and a few others, they failed once a chemist openly admitted that the anthrax sample came from a US lab. They accused someone who always denied his involvement. The US killing their own? It certainly would not be the first time!

    Just before Covid, another John Hopkins exercise was in play called Event 201. Funny how such exercises appear just months before the real thing, right? Do you believe in such coincidences? Exercises that work on how to vaccinate everyone?

    The US is guilty as hell!

  162. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    the massive outbreak that hit Iran’s political elites had no apparent connection to China or Chinese whatsoever

    Really? Let’s compare your claims to this Reuter’s article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran-qom-idUSKBN21K1NO

    Now, I am completely open to the possibility Reuters gets things wrong either by accident or intentionally, but the same can be said of you. You obviously have a hammer and have gone looking for nails.

    引用来自路透社文章的斜体字:

    “库姆是伊朗最重要的城市之一,与中国有着密切的联系,是许多中国人的家园。 伊朗卫生部长公开表示,据信该病毒是由一名死于该病毒的库姆商人从中国抵达的。”

    “Wuhan and the Holy City of Qom are over 3,600 miles apart, a pretty long distance for an accidental lab-leak to jump.”

    Apparently planes don’t exist in your world.

    But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak.

    So a full two months after Wuhan. Why did the spooks wait so long? It also hit Italy hard in February too. But you ignore that, because it doesn’t match the narrative.

    Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior.

    Do you think that it was an election season might have something to do with it? Do you think the religious practice of people licking shrines in Qom might have something to do with it? https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/iranians-licking-religious-shrines-in-defiance-of-coronavirus-spread/

    路透社文章: “而且,当当局在 21 月初确实意识到国内出现类似流感病毒的病例时,他们直到几周后才宣布这一消息,因为担心在计划于 XNUMX据一位直接了解此事的高级官员说,XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日。”

    Wuhan lab is located 20 miles(!) from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, which was the earliest epicenter of the Wuhan outbreak. A distance of 20 miles seems pretty far for an accidental lab-leak.

    So they don’t have cars, highways, and mass transit in Wuhan? A twenty mile trip into the city of Boston was nothing when I worked around there.

    There’s also this from Nicholas Wade’s article:

    “Steven Quay, a physician-researcher, has applied statistical and bioinformatic tools to ingenious explorations of the virus’s origin, showing for instance how the hospitals receiving the early patients are clustered along the Wuhan №2 subway line which connects the Institute of Virology at one end with the international airport at the other, the perfect conveyor belt for distributing the virus from lab to globe.”

    Your focus on a deliberate “bioweapon” obscures the Occam’s Razor and much more dangerous position: That scientists in the US and China were funding and conducting gain-of-function research for ,那是 警告 about for years how dangerous this research was, and the exact scenario of a lab escape causing a worldwide pandemic was feared. The Wuhan lab was doing gain-of-function research on coronaviruses. Wuhan was the epicenter of novel coronavirus outbreak. Gee, what possibly could have gone wrong?

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Rev. Spooner
    , @Iris
    , @Ron Unz
  163. All this discussion – what is it worth? Where does it go? Nothing. Nowhere.

    Believe it – this will all blow over, just like 9/11, just like WMD, just like JFK. There has never been an investigation into 9/11 – no subpoenas, no testimonies under oath, no offers of immunity, no indictments – only a vulgar display of waterboarding. And it will be the same with Covid.

    We have here a circle jerk of finger pointing, a lot of energy expended for nothing.

    Get ready for Covid-20.

    • 同意: Alfred
  164. The Chinese knew that it was a Biological attack.For the last decade they have suffered swine flu, chicken flu and this was expected.
    All this is blamed on animal and human proximity but was deep state Bio attack.
    locking down the entire city of 11 million, and soon expanding the lockdowns to the region and then the entire country, confining 700 million Chinese to their homes for several weeks. This allowed them to completely stamp out the virus, and within a few months, the country was almost back to normal.

    Meanwhile, the American government mostly ignored the entire problem and the possibility that the virus would get back into the U.S. Our CDC botched the production of testing-kits, so for many weeks we had no way of knowing if the virus was starting to spread here.
    As this bio attack was by the American deep state and secret services, they could not warn the American public as this would draw attention to them.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Dilyana+Gaytandzhieva&t=opera&iar=videos&iax=videos&ia=videos

    3 years ago I saved this link. It’s by a fearless woman journalist. These were US Bio Labs in Eastern Europe.
    The enemy is us

  165. utu 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    “为什么尼古拉斯韦德拒绝了罗恩的提议” – It should be obvious – Wade is sane, but I am not convinced that there was such an offer. Ron Unz for tactical reasons was against voicing theories that virus was lab created because their propaganda value was to implicate China. For instance he was very suspicious of Yuri Deigin and speculated that possibly Deigin was not acting alone, i.e., he was a front for some disinfo operation while it was Deigin who was profusely acknowledged by Wade in his Medium article. But assuming that indeed Ron Unz made such an offer it would tell us that it was either an attempt to sabotage Wade’s message or if it was genuine and authentic offer it is an indication of Ron Unz’s detachment from reality, a majority consensus reality in which his Webzine is reputation killer, in which only certifiable deplorables and desperadoes publish.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  166. Thank you, Ron Unz, for your eminently sensible explanation.

    It rings true mainly because it is the sort of thing that zio-USA would do because it has a long history of doing similar grotesque things against its own people as well as against others. No-one needs reminding of MK-Ultra, Agent Orange, fake shootings, citizens used in drug experiments, bombing occupation looting of other countries. Etc.

    The “people” running USA watch their own once-famous cities collapse, their citizens reduced to penury. It is by any standards an ongoing disaster yet simpletons believe if only they had Trump and MAGA all would be well. They believe USA is fundamentally a righteous country with only a few isolated baddies, despite the record.

    It is not. It is part of the axis of evil, a paraiah, a mad dog, a gangster cartel.
    And for any wishing to say that the Jews made is do it, this obnoxious operation was carried out by zionist goyim or paid operators (like Bolton eg or the “contractors” occupying foreign countries)* while this is a Jew writing this expose.

    * Like too many more to name; JFK gunman, 9/11 facilitators, those assisting LBJ to gag USS Liberty, “soldiers” firing DU into Iraqi civilians, Cocaine Importing Agency, almost everyone in US academia, “journalists”, politicians, FBI, judeo-“christians”.
    The whole rotten country, basically.

  167. utu 说:
    @chrimony

    I agree with your objections except that I would be skeptical of whatever Steven Quay produces. He seemed to be recruited by David Asher, a former senior investigator under contract to the State Department who now is with the Hudson Institute.

    Quotes is from Vanity Fair (June 3, 2021)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

    “Asher invited Dr. Steven Quay, a breast cancer specialist who’d founded a biopharmaceutical company, to present a statistical analysis weighing the probability of a lab origin versus a natural one. Scissoring Quay’s analysis, Baric noted that its calculations failed to account for the millions of bat sequences that exist in nature but remain unknown. When a State Department adviser asked Quay whether he’d ever done a similar analysis, he replied there’s “a first time for everything,” according to the meeting minutes.”

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  168. @TheMoon

    J&J also creates spike proteins, it just does it with a viral vector instead of mRNA. Sputnik and Sinovac are traditional vaccines if you can get them.

    • 回复: @Dave C.
  169. michael888 说:

    虽然这即使是真的也永远不会得到证实,但很明显,当他们明确表示“这不是来自实验室!”时,该机构对我们撒了谎。 他们对医学研究信息的持续审查和压制清楚地表明,在特朗普下台后仍有一项议程仍在进行(即,他并不是真正的原因,只是一个方便的借口)。 大流行期间富人变得更富有并非巧合!

    Covid-19 的一个主要部分是其有趣的人口统计数据。 超过一半的受害者年龄在 80 岁以上(全球死亡年龄中位数为 82 岁)。 如果被感染,六分之一就会死亡。 可能新保守派认为这些死亡是为了让我们更接近与中国的战争而付出的小代价(一个 82 岁的美国人的预期寿命不到十年,在那个年龄只有 16% 左右,可能是最妥协的)在医学上,他们很容易受到 Covid-19 的影响。)此外,全球 95% 的死亡发生在 60 岁以上的人中(根据 Marty Makary 的说法,除了患有严重的医疗合并症外,没有记录在案的儿童死亡案例。)中央情报局以外的官僚Neocons 可能会很高兴停止向 500,000 名美国 Covid-19 受害者削减社会保障金; 为建制赢得胜利!

    作为一名退休的科学家,我对医疗信息的持续审查感到震惊和恐惧(俄语!!!“虚假信息!”正如国家媒体所说)。 尽管全球科学出版物显示出对抗 Covid-19 的功效,但糖皮质激素和抗凝血剂的使用受到抑制,即使在严重的情况下(疫苗一旦感染就不起作用)。 虽然这两类药物现在是标准治疗,但只有瑞德西韦作为小分子药物被 FDA 批准用于 Covid-19(世卫组织称瑞德西韦无效)。 伊维菌素、氟伏沙明、秋水仙碱和其他药物(包括备受诟病的羟氯喹,其对关节炎和狼疮的疗效可能需要数月时间)的预防作用也受到抑制,尽管在许多 Covid-19 死亡率较低的国家使用。 在美国、墨西哥和(仍未接种疫苗的)南非自然免疫将死亡率降至 5 月中旬峰值的 20-XNUMX% 之前,疫苗接种的狂潮并没有顺利进行。

    目前还不清楚西方的高死亡率有多少是由于故意的无能,有多少是故意的。

    • 同意: Iris
  170. frontier 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    something, something in 2019 in Belgium

    Where the virus was created is irrelevant. Now it’s an accepted possibility that US might have had something to do with it, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory – part of the research in Wuhan was funded by the US, it’s a fact. You people are so weak-minded, the real problem is with the title’s “aimed at China”, looking at the response of the West, it’s clear that the virus was aimed at the West and Trump, first and foremost. Interests in both US and China would gain from the pandemic, so cooperation isn’t impossible, but arguing about it is feeding the trolls. The major issue was and remains the incredibly corrupt response, pushing for vaccines while treatments are being suppressed.

    • 同意: Getaclue
    • 回复: @frontier
  171. Anonymous[262]• 免责声明 说:
    @Big Daddy

    Dr. Burgdorf, for whom the organism is named, admitted that he had engineered the organism and used it to infect deer on Plum Island. He admitted that he was surprised to find out that they had swum the 7 mile channel and caused the disease outbreak on Long Island.

    Don’t try to cloud this well-documented history.

    • 回复: @Getaclue
  172. @utu

    America released the virus in Wuhan and then in Iran’s Qum. All the jigsaw pieces fit perfectly when viewed through this lens.
    It might not be the establishment but their out of control secret agencies that are responsible. Unz is right.

  173. gay troll 说:
    @Miha

    Plus both Iran and China share a border with Afghanistan.

  174. 300 military personnel is not “cover”. It is a prime target 提供 监视。

    US citizens can easily visit China whenever. The very 最少 likely time for the US to release a virus would be when there were 300 of their own military personnel there, being surveiled intensively.

    That’s like trying to anonymously pee on your friend’s floor, just as you’ve told him you’re going to the loo.

    The crux, and only really good part, of Ron Unz’s argument, is actually strong circumstantial evidence that the Americans 没有做 做吧!

    • 同意: chrimony
    • 回复: @chrimony
    , @Ron Unz
  175. bayviking 说:

    Ron Unz is hammering away on this issue, which is based on a large amount of circumstantial evidence. Evidence which could easily convict any poor person in the USA, but not a rich person.

    If incontrovertible evidence ever surfaces in support of this allegation the United States of America will be thrown into the shit can of human history in the eyes of the world forever more. Such an outcome cannot be ruled out.

    But there is a less controversial explanation which links the outbreak to bat guana being shoveled in 2012 which killed 3 of 6 miners outside Wuhun. Wuhun rushed to the site to collect samples which closely or exactly match the DNA samples of Covid-19, but were assigned a different designation at the time. These studies and samples have been carefully documented in Chinese pHD thesis and more recently translated into English. But these samples are also available to Chinese and American scientists working closely together to be engineered into full functionality, which is what these people do in their labs. They should be shut down, just like nuclear weapons manufacturers.

    If Mr. Unz ever proves to be correct the average American might just as well bend over and kiss his ass good-bye. Eventually, the US decline will impact the rich and ruling class, but that will take a considerable amount of time, even if water and food become scarce, as the climate crisis continues to grow.

  176. AReply 说:

    从来没有这么多人受到正式的恳求,也从来没有这么多人被扔在墙上,看看有什么坚持。

    实验室事故没有任何争议。 第 1 天,这是最明显的解释,因为爆发起源的消息恰逢 BSL4 实验室正式计划生产导致爆发的那种生物。 新闻周刊在疫情爆发前后都对此进行了报道,从而吸引了这里的每个人。 奥巴马政府在 2014 年发布了一项暂停令,因为领先的科学家一直在警告非典后研究项目的风险。 暂停主要是一个不温不火、官僚主义的拖延,以澄清可允许资金的语言,但它与事实管理保持一致。 当时,这项研究已经离岸。 特朗普上台后,他的管理员撤销了暂停令。

    至于这一切有多么邪恶,这里有一个比 Unz 更令人信服的解释,并且符合现成的事实:Covid 是一场工业事故,起源于美国资助的国际努力理解和治疗 SARS 的转变,基于对 SARS 的恐惧类似的人畜共患病爆发。 与此同时,军方(这意味着情报部门加上美国一半的经济和我们的公立大学系统!)出于各种“国家安全”的原因,自然而然地包括武器。

    你可以想象一个阴暗的 Mengele 博士在某个地方孵化了一些邪恶的企业(出于意识形态的方便,我会责怪一个白人,christopathoc,右翼仆从或 Trumpling)但是这种解释没有必要比这样的博士更重要对于联合碳化物博帕尔、印度、爱运河、伊利湖或三英里岛、切尔诺贝利、福岛或数十年的大气核武器试验来说,邪恶是必要的,这些试验肆意毒害一百万人,这是一场盛大的工业冒险的一部分,不仅没有秘密,却是一代人的吹牛!

    由于原子武器研究,1/2 百万美国人因食物中的放射性碘而过早死亡是因果关系吗? 武器本身只有在与自己获得武器的对手作战时才有意义。 众所周知,日本已经完成了,广岛和长崎没有受到燃烧弹的影响,因此核示范将有干净的目标。 弗里曼戴森本人公开表示,是否应该进行示威是学术性的,因为导致行动的工业管道有自己的生命,它会以这样一种方式发挥作用,个人选择(领导)毫无意义。

    那么,Unz 对 Covid-19 的起源和原因的明显解释增加了什么?

    什么都没有

    Unz 在历史上对他自己的声音进行了一个简单的回声室 - 显然,我的猜测在这里是根据 Unz 隐含逻辑的公平游戏 - 除了他在网上扔了足够多的狗屎并且其中一些最终坚持他的理由之外,没有其他原因可以随后被认为是一个新奇的美国自由主义者诺查丹玛斯。

    As to social media black-balling 乌兹网, this is far from the only cottage site of political ranting to be delisted by Google or Facebook, and others far more legit and far more positive in their tone were blackballed long before Unz. There was a big delisting years ago pertaining to the new McCarthyism of the Democrats. But what’s really going on? A private search company is choosing not to support revenue-sharing with customers it doesn’t like. Big Fucking Deal.

    没有衬衫没有鞋子没有服务,没有tickie没有washey!

    美国自由主义者应该为业主在自由市场上做出选择的自由而欢欣鼓舞。 迪克威兹!

    但实际原因可能稍微温和一些。 在 Unz 的案例中,它无疑与宣传公开的白人民族主义鼓掌的网站有关,该网站被公认为被禁止,这是为了避免协助和教唆构成今天共和党的一群杀人不眨眼的肉袋法西斯分子。

    • 巨魔: Mehen
  177. TKK 说:
    @TheMoon

    Good luck with your pregnancy and Congratulations.

    • 谢谢: TheMoon
  178. chrimony 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    US citizens can easily visit China whenever. The very least likely time for the US to release a virus would be when there were 300 of their own military personnel there, being surveiled intensively.

    Even worse, you risk your soldiers mixing in with the population and bringing the virus back home, which apparently occurred for the US and Canada, at the minimum. The whole suggestion is idiotic if you think it through.

    https://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/
    https://www.rebelnews.com/covid_coverup_trudeau_govt_helped_china_hide_origins_of_covid_19

    • 回复: @anonym25
    , @Hughes
  179. Schuetze 说:

    Just as the leak supposedly occurring at the Wuhan Laboratory provides on degree of plausible deniability from the “virus” being a US bioweapon, so does the more plausible explanation of the “leak” emanating from one of the myriad US bioweapons lab provide another degree of plausible deniability from the “virus” being an Israeli, or Jewish bioweapon. Some points of light providing evidence that this is a Jewish bioweapon and the Jew-Flu:

    1. Republicans and Democrats will stop at nothing in order to smear each other of the most outrageous accusations, yet neocons from both parties are desperate to point the finger at China and Wuhan labs. If this were truly a biowarfare attack originating in the Trump administration, the Democrats would be ringing the bell, and vice versa. Jews have the most to gain if this all turns out to be a limited hangout with both US political parties sharing the blame.

    2. Republicans certainly do not have enough power over the press to control any narrative, let alone a plandemic. Democrats neither. Only one group on the planet is powerful enough to orchestrate the entire planetary media to sing to one single tune, then another: First it was bat soup, then it was China bat research.

    3. China with its OBOR and world wide resource grab is causing the hebrews migrane headaches.

    4. China is demanding an end to the jewish controlled US dollar and BIS central banking hegemony. The country to act this boldly against the planetary usurers was Germany under Adolph Hitler.

    5. Only Israel and Jewish Power could get the entire planet to ban Ivermectine and Hydroxychloroquine and accept emergency mRNA gene therapy as the only possible path to get “back to normal”.

    6. Iran is far more Israel’s enemy than the US’s.

    7. Jews have a long history of biowarfare, from poisoned wells to poisoning Germany’s water sources after WWII.

    8. Jews are constantly horny for more Goy holocausts.

    There is loads more circumstantial evidence indicating that this was all caused by the chicken swingers, but this is a good start.

    • 同意: Robert Dolan
  180. chrimony 说:
    @Rev. Spooner

    They kiss the shrine and don’t lick it just like the Christians or the Jews.

    Kissing a shrine during a pandemic is bad enough, but apparently some religious idiot made a point of licking the shrine on video in an act of defiance.

  181. Yee 说:

    I think the US not only planned the bio-attack, they tried to plan China’s response to it as well…

    That “Event 201” in Oct 2019.

    Apart from a deputy director from U.S. CDC, the only other CDC invited was the chief of Chinese CDC. The whole thing could be just to “teach” the Chinese CDC how to handle the epidemic.

    Unfortunately for them, the chief didn’t get a chance to practice what he has learned in Event 201, Chinese CDC got pushed aside almost from the beginning, the top leadership took over. So that plan failed as well.

  182. 如果这个分析是正确的,那么我们当然应该期待报复......

    毕竟,两个人可以玩那个游戏。

  183. frontier 说:
    @frontier

    Forgot to mention, before the pandemic, Hong Kong was engulfed by demonstrations which quickly died out during the lock-down.

  184. Iris 说:
    @chrimony

    It also hit Italy hard in February too. But you ignore that, because it doesn’t match the narrative.

    Apologies, but Italy being struck so early by Covid19 fits very well with this article’s thesis.

    Italy is home to the largest Chinese diaspora in Europe, officially circa 350,000 people, but in reality much more, considering that thousands overstay their visas. Of those, the majority is concentrated in the region of Milan and Venice, the two principal hotbeds of earliest Covid19 outbreaks in Italy. So cross-border contamination is much plausible.

    More importantly, Italy is the 仅由 European country to have broken ranks with the NATO-led world order, and has officially joined China’s “带和道路倡议“, a transformational economic and geopolitical project that will re-shape the world. So deliberate contamination by the US NeoCon crazies would be equally plausible.

    https://europeanlawblog.eu/2019/06/25/the-road-that-divided-the-eu-italy-joins-chinas-belt-and-road-initiative/#:~:text=Its%20Belt%20and%20Road%20Initiative%20%28BRI%29%20is%20an,Asian%20superpower.%20To%20BRI%2C%20or%20not%20to%20BRI%3F

    • 回复: @chrimony
  185. Ron Unz 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    “A new analysis of blood samples from 24,000 Americans taken early last year is the latest and largest study to suggest that the new coronavirus popped up in the U.S. in December 2019 — weeks before cases were first recognized by health officials.” and this means –it was earlier than Wuhan—????

    Not really. Most mainstream experts believe that the Covid outbreak began in Wuhan during late October or early November, but it took almost two months for infections to become sufficiently numerous that health officials realized what was happening. After all, the cause was an unknown and undetectable new virus.

    The American blood samples seem to show that a half-dozen Americans might have become infected by the end of December, probably a couple of months after the Wuhan outbreak began. Given international travel, this seems perfectly plausible.

    • 回复: @d dan
  186. https://archive.org/details/strecker-memorandum-1988
    This video by Dr. Strecker is now 33 years old. In it he explains convincingly that virus do not jump species, and that these so called viruses Covid19 and AIDS are a combination of poisons taken from calf lymph, sheep and pigs then combined with human cells, to create a new virus which will effect humans. He explains how the AIDS virus was made, and where it was initially spread. It all happened here in America, made in America, if you will. There is enough evidence of criminality in the bio-warfare arena, at the CDC, NIH etc., and who the criminals are to indict. And guess what? The same people back then are involved today, less a few who have died naturally, and a few not so naturally. We can talk talk talk, but can we act act act? How do we get a federal or state prosecutor to draw up the indictments? That’s the question? Grand Jury anyone?

  187. @Ron Unz,@迈克·惠特尼
    多源理论
    想到一个事件是错误的(无论是故意使用生物武器还是实验室泄漏)。 改变冠状病毒的技术是已知的,至少可以由 10-12 个实验室完成。 考虑仍在进行的生物战更有意义。 也许是美国毒化了武汉的井; 中国可以在美国播种一种病毒作为报复; 以色列将攻击伊朗。 一些国家会受到攻击,所以没有人会毫发无损:因此,有人攻击了捷克和柬埔寨,这两个国家根本没有新冠病毒。 新的中毒将考虑使用的疫苗。 所以没有尽头; 可能这样做的人(不一定是主权国家)会继续他们的攻击。 今天,拜登总统(在日内瓦)宣布为下一次大流行做好准备。 所以也许我们应该考虑多源理论,而不是一个事件。

    • 哈哈: L.K
    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  188. anonym25 说:
    @chrimony

    You need to read Yoichi Shimatsu’s articles on covid19 to get a clear picture of what happened at the Wuhan Military Games. In my opinion, he brings an alternative explanation worth looking into.

    https://rense.com/general96/how-cov-biowar-by-japan-uk-israel-hit-the-world-military-games-part-12.php

    https://rense.com/general96/russia-blames-porton-down-darpa-pirbright.php

    And yes, the US is still involved in this affair. According to Shimatshu, the Obama administration secretly started this biowarfare operation and transferred it to England.

    https://rense.com/general96/obama-era-dhs-nih-funded-tb-research-on-uk-badgers-for-covid-biowar-part-21.php

    The target of this operation was clearly China and the democrats used to opportunity to oust Trump from power.

  189. anon[425]• 免责声明 说:

    Im old enough to remember when microwaves, phones, hvacs, ovens, refrigerators, pots/pans/cutlery, televisions, clocks, computers, light fixtures, tupperware, furniture, desks, all manner of construction equipment, water heaters, shoes, clothing of all kinds, toys, bicycles, motorcycles, and sporting equipment was made in the USA.

    Now we make weapons and viruses and vaccines that make young people have heart problems and old people have blood clots/strokes.

    I think it was better in 1975 folks. We listened to the wrong intellectuals. I think the rest of the world is going to see it also. BLM, antifa, and LGTBQ, porn, and carrier groups are not effective selling points for our way of strife.

    • 回复: @Alden
  190. anarchyst 说:

    The same thing occurred during the misnamed “1918 Spanish flu epidemic”. An experimental (failed) meningitis “treatment” made its way to Europe with American soldiers destined for WW1.
    It is interesting to note that most of the deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, NOT the “flu” itself. Mask wearers were being buried by those who did not wear masks.
    Sound familiar??

  191. Ron Unz 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    Gomez old chap —–Barcelona Spain is where this all started March 2019—-then came Italy September 2019 —again a 10 year old boy in Milan November 2019—France had some Covid counts in the autumn of 2019 and so did Belgium.

    I’m extremely skeptical of that alleged early evidence of Covid detected in European blood samples taken during 2019. There’s always a serious risk of false-positives in those sorts of tests, and a single Covid case which appeared in March 2019 with no additional cases for nearly a year seems a very likely sign of that.

    For example, the MSM just revealed that a half-dozen Covid cases had now been found in America before the end of December 2019, and those results are perfectly plausible:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/15/health/coronavirus-usa-cases.html

    Since the researchers were properly cautious about false-positives in their 24,000 samples, they actually used two separate antibody tests in sequence. The first found 147 instances of Covid, but the second reduced that number to just 9. So almost 95% of the cases initially found turned out to be false-positives. That surely explains those very anomalous 2019 results from Barcelona and elsewhere that have been frequently discussed on the Internet.

    • 回复: @anon4321534534
  192. Alden 说:

    3. facts

    USA census bureau claims USA total population 2021 331, 449, 281.

    CDC claims deaths from ccovid since March 2020 600,389.

    Average age of covid deaths 81

    Every other country in the world shows similar statistics

    • 回复: @Alden
  193. Getaclue 说:
    @Anonymous

    You are right — here’s the history and a new book about it — Lyme disease existed before but they definitely weaponized it on Plum Island — Dr. Burgdorf was involved and spilled the beans as he probably felt a bit bad about all the people infected/destroyed by the weaponized Ticks that hopped on the Deer that then swam them to the Mainland USA — Nazi Scientists I read also were a big part of the “Team”– really the USA is “run” by the most insane low life creeps — and has been for a very long time:

    https://goodtimes.sc/cover-stories/lyme-disease/

    • 谢谢: St-Germain
  194. Ron Unz 说:
    @Jimmy The Cop

    I can’t “buy” the rogue element of this story. The propaganda is too pervasive to be anything but a full-fledged bio-attack by the deep-state…A Bio-Attack? Yes! A Rogue Element? NO!

    I think it’s partly a matter of definition. Based upon Trump’s behavior, I very much doubt that he was part of the plot, and if the president didn’t approve the attack, I consider it a “rogue operation.”

    My strong suspicion is that the attack was orchestrated by some of the Deep State Neocons near the very top of his administration, with people like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton being the most likely suspects. They would have been able to draw upon America’s national security resources, including our biowarfare labs, to actually carry it out, with all those lower-level participants assuming it was a fully authorized covert military operation against our primary geopolitical adversaries. And given thir senior positions, the conspirators would have also easily been able to orchestrate the massive media propaganda which immediately followed.

    • 回复: @gay troll
  195. Alden 说:
    @Alden

    Another way, .18 percent of the USA population average 81 died of covid in a period of 15 months.

    And for that the entire country was shut down and Marxist style regulations regarding every aspect of life from childbirth to funerals was instituted. Many of those regulations are still being enforced and will never end.

    • 同意: Hamlet's Ghost
  196. Schuetze 说:

    When John Stewart and Stephan Colbert finally cover it, then it is officially a limited hangout…

    • 同意: gay troll
  197. @utu

    为什么是迈克惠特尼? …当主菜单上有这样的主要选择时:Kevin Barrett、Anatool Karlin、Covid 闹剧中经过验证的真正侏儒。 议程可以做什么,我想知道他们在激励措施方面与电影演员和政治家相比如何。 这一切都感觉像第二联赛。 过剩人口喜欢足球,犹太中产阶级喜欢踢足球。

  198. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    “为什么尼古拉斯韦德拒绝了罗恩的提议” – It should be obvious – Wade is sane, but I am not convinced that there was such an offer…But assuming that indeed Ron Unz made such an offer it would tell us that it was either an attempt to sabotage Wade’s message or if it was genuine and authentic offer it is an indication of Ron Unz’s detachment from reality

    I’ve been friendly with Nicholas Wade for about a decade, but hadn’t recently been in touch with him, so I had no idea he was working on his very important article. I certainly agree it would have been extremely inadvisable for him to have published it here, for exactly the reasons you indicate. Frankly, it was a miracle that his self-published piece overturned the entire conventional narrative on the origins of Covid, and that outcome would have become an utter impossibility if this webzine had been the venue.

    出于战术原因,Ron Unz 反对提出病毒是实验室制造的理论,因为他们的宣传价值是要牵连中国。 例如,他对尤里·戴金非常怀疑,并推测戴金可能不是单独行动的

    Not at all. I’d always thought there was a very good possibility that Covid came from a lab, which obviously was a requirement of the Biowarfare Hypothesis, which I’d first presented in April 2020. However, I was very suspicious about the extremely long and detailed Deigin article for the reasons I explained, and I still remain suspicious today. My lack of expertise in microbiology made it impossible for me to easily check Deigin’s analysis, but as a longtime science journalist, Wade was far more knowledgeable, and he apparently put in a great deal of time and effort in confirming the plausibility of Deigin’s claims.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Peripatetic Commenter
  199. Alden 说:
    @anon

    I know a couple in their early 50s. They’ve owned their house for 27 years. They just bought their 4th \$5,000 Chinese refrigerator. And third \$4,000 Chinese stove. The stove has an electric control board touch screen to turn it on and off and set temperature. If the stove is like most things, the touch screen control board will fail soon. And they’ll have to buy a new one. Think about it. A stove whose gas can’t be turned on by turning a knob that turns a valve..

    Meanwhile, in the garage is a 1970s freezer they were given by his parents back when they bought the house. Still works even in fall when the first bad wind or rain storm knocks out the electricity lines for several hours.

    These \$5,000 Chinese refrigerators can’t cope with even a 10 minute power outage. Once there’s a power outage the refrigerator section fails completely. But the freezer section electricity comes right back on when electricity is restored. But the refrigerator section can’t cope with even a 10 minute circuit break down.

    There doesn’t seem to be a way to fix the refrigerator section. Even in a family of electrical engineers and contractors.

    • 同意: TKK, Red Pill Angel
  200. BorisMay 说:

    Red herring…as I’ve written before all this supposition and probabilities is a red herring.

    This is all irrelevant and Unz has created a smoke screen for his rich friends to hide behind.

    The only way to look at this is ‘follow the money’. Who gains?

    Big Pharma gains. Covid is a scam. The first world wide scam. And the only result of this scam, as with all others, the poor have become poorer and the rich (big Pharma owners) have become even richer.

    Unz is being dishonest with his readers unless Unz is either:

    A) One of the rich profiting from it, or
    B) Is shielding his rich friends.

    Come on Mr Unz, you are barking up the wrong tree. Time to either face this fact or admit your financial interest in the success of the Covid scam.

  201. Ron Unz 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    300 military personnel is not “cover”. It is a prime target for surveillance.

    US citizens can easily visit China whenever. The very least likely time for the US to release a virus would be when there were 300 of their own military personnel there, being surveiled intensively.

    Over 9,300 military officers from more than 140 countries were in Wuhan competing in the World Military Games, and presumably doing a good deal of tourist exploration and sightseeing during that period. It seems to me that would provide absolutely perfect cover for a couple of American operatives to release the virus at various locations in the city of 11 million.

    Assuming the operatives were American special forces, they could have easily been brought in as part of the American contingent of 300 military personnel. Under normal circumstances, Chinese security might be better able to detect and monitor the suspicious arrival of special forces military personnel who claimed to be visiting Chinese as “tourists.”

    Your argument against this simple scenario seems to be that it was too obvious and too easy. So when a Gambino tells his friends he’s meeting with the rival Genoveses and then is found shot to death the next day, you would argue that the Genoveses must be innocent because it’s “too obvious.”

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  202. @Ron Unz

    The Chinese would be looking at who those 300 military personnel were, much more closely than they would ordinary tourists.

    It would therefore be completely stupid for the US to try to hide special forces operatives among them, to try to release a virus.

    A good rule for intelligence work is that your head should not be “above the parapet”; but every single one of that group would have had their head about as far above the parapet as it is possible to be.

    There is no way that they would ever be used in the role you ascribe.

  203. chrimony 说:
    @Iris

    Italy is home to the largest Chinese diaspora in Europe, officially circa 350,000 people, but in reality much more, considering that thousands overstay their visas. Of those, the majority is concentrated in the region of Milan and Venice, the two principal hotbeds of earliest Covid19 outbreaks in Italy. So cross-border contamination is much plausible.

    In other words, a sane explanation for why it hit Italy hard early, which had nothing to do with a targeted “bioweapon” attack.

    More importantly, Italy is the only European country to have broken ranks with the NATO-led world order, and has officially joined China’s “Belt and Road Initiative“, a transformational economic and geopolitical project that will re-shape the world. So deliberate contamination by the US NeoCon crazies would be equally plausible.

    You mean even more stupid, because now instead of just targeting Iran and China, you also targeted a country in Europe with a 病毒. Using a virus as a bioweapon is an incredibly stupid idea, and even military brass know this.

    The most obvious explanation is staring Ron Unz and his supporters right in the face: that dangerous gain-of-function research on coronaviruses was occurring at a Wuhan under lax security, the epicenter was Wuhan, viruses have been known to escape from such laboratories — the source was likely the Wuhan lab. And if you really want to drag the US into this — congratulations, they initiated and funded this research in the US before funding it in Wuhan! But instead of screaming at the top of their lungs that this 非常危险 research needs to be sensibly shut down, 到处, they insist it’s the sole responsibility of neocons as part of a shadowy bioweapon attack on China and Iran. Give me a break.

    • 不同意: Schuetze, GomezAdddams
    • 回复: @Iris
  204. gay troll 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Based upon Trump’s behavior, I very much doubt that he was part of the plot

    Based on the behavior of a career con artist and long time television actor? A man whose affiliations include the World Wrestling Federation? A man who ran on and based his presidency on a “trade” war with China, but flip flopped on nearly every other issue? You think this man was not capable of ordering a virus release in Wuhan and then acting like he knew nothing about it? You might as well be judging the behavior of Andy Kaufman.

    • 同意: Harold Smith
    • 回复: @Getaclue
  205. Sean 说:

    Am American cabal’s bioweapon attack would be intended to hit Beijing to set China back substantially. To have the pandemic begining in Wuhan and yet still decimate Beijing it would have had to be extremely transmissible, making a global pandemic inevitable. The scientists creating the virus would realise that, and only they have the knowledge. I cannnot see anyone in special for of the CIA obeying such an odder, even if they thought it was genuine.

    It seems to me that would provide absolutely perfect cover for a couple of American operatives to release the virus at various locations in the city of 11 million.

    The reason for attacking Wuhan would have been to male it look like an escape from Bat Lady’s lab, and that alone.

    So the virus probably came from a lab. But the question now becomes “which lab?” Just as the MSM had promoted the totally unsubstantiated belief that Covid was natural…

    Coming from lab and being a natural virus are not mutually exclusive possibilities. Bat Lady had 15,000 samples in her Wuhan lab, and live bats too. Maybe she found she was looking for.

    A few weeks afterward, the third major world outbreak began in Northern Italy, but 200,000 Chinese live and work in that region, and many had just returned from their Lunar New Year holiday in China. The Chinese population in Qom is absolutely negligible by comparison. The Italian outbreak makes perfectly logical sense while the one in Qom does not.

    Can’t have it both ways. It would only take one patient zero, and an Iranian that took a trip to to China on government business would on return be in contact with the elite. Iranian men kiss each other (as do Italians) and there is also the “Tarof”.

    A Nationwide Survey on Some Hygienic Behaviors of Iranian …https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › 文章 › PMC4192768
    by M Sadinejad · 2014 · Cited by 11 — [4] Inadequate sanitary conditions and poor hygiene practices play major roles in the increased burden of communicable diseases in low- and middle-income…

    • 同意: Dnought, Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  206. Ron Unz 说:

    Incidentally, for those who prefer a different format, here’s a link to my hour long presentation of the biowarfare hypothesis on Kevin Barrett’s podcast last month:

    这是可免费下载的电子书的链接,其中包含我关于该主题的四篇主要文章:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/covid-catastrophe-ebook/

  207. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “it was a miracle that his self-published piece overturned the entire conventional narrative on the origins of Covid” – I think that there were some forces working behind the scene. January 4th Baker’s article in NY Magazine did not get traction because of Capitol riots and because Trump was still in the office but it was pretty much equivalent to Wade’s article. Vanity Fair article shows that there was a concerted effort by some people accumulating arguments (not evidence because they had none) in favor of the lab leak. Some of them were pretty high up in microbiologists “establishment” (like Ralph Baric) and with administration/political connections like David Asher who recruited Steven Quay to do epidemiological and microbiological analysis while not being an expert in either.

    Your reservations about Yuri Deigin were correct and Wade’s endorsement should not change it. Deigin’s argument for man-made origin of the virus is the alleged uniqueness of furin cleavage which many scientists do not consider as that unique and Deigin’s connecting it to WIV is via Shi Zhengli because he saw her actions in January 2020 as part of a cover-up when she pulled from her sleeve the virus precursor RaTG13 that Deigin insinuated it could have been a fake digitally composed sequence.

    That the narrative was overturned from what was considered officially true in 2020 is not a result of new evidence or new papers by reputable scientists who haven’t touched the subject yet but by the same stories that floated from the day one (some Israeli spy, some Czech microbiologist, some Russian microbiologist, kooky French Nobel laureate) that in 2021 were propelled to the forefront by political expediency for the same crowd who wanted conflict with China just as Trump did but not under Trump.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  208. VICB3 说:
    @Anonymous

    If you can’t attack the message, then you attack the messenger.

    书中最古老的技巧之一。

    I’m siding with Unz on this one, and have done so for some time. There are just too many coincidences to ignore, not that anyone ever should. And any good detective would point out the inconsistencies and contradictions of the mainstream narrative, and then conclude that somebody was hiding a good deal of the real story.

    Cui Bono? The Zionists – Bolton? – looking to take down Iran? The Dispensationalist Nutjobs – Pompeo, Pence? – wanting The Rapture? The self-important New World Order folks with their Bilderburg meetings et al? Other similarly well positioned fanatics with deep pockets. Let your imagination run wild and free on this one.

    Regardles, something stinks about the story, first the bat soup natural origin version, and the now current commie Chinese lab leak scenario. The anomalies aren’t lining up with the truth.

    As for Fauci (and Gates) being thrown under the bus, they’re just convenient scapegoats, protected and subsidized until now but no longer useful. (How many backdoors does the MS OS have in it, and who allowed them to be put there, and why?) Look for the former to be suicided while the latter will suffer an unfortunate accident, perhaps a crash of his private jet. In both cases, they’ll be silenced before they tell-all the secrets and subsidies that have propped up their careers and fortunes.

    (Their deaths will also serve as a warning to the rest of the tech industry players who’ve been similarly favoured.)

    仅仅是一个想法。

    维克B3

    • 回复: @Joe Levantine
  209. Dnought 说:
    @Marcali

    从中国西部边境到伊朗东部边境,相距4,622公里。 更像是那个距离的三分之一或更短。

  210. orchardist 说:

    “…if the president didn’t approve the attack, I consider it a “rogue operation.”

    哇!!

    Hell, there are folks in Washington who don’t even know where the hell Nevada IS, let alone what the hell goes on there.

    The nature of effective security protocols DEMANDS that those at the top have no clue what the hell those in the middle and at the bottom are doing – think: many-headed Hydra.

    If president’s had to approve half of what the government does they’d quit the first day in disgust.

    EVERYTHING done by the CIA, NSA, DIA, ONI, DOD, State Dept., etc. is a “rogue operation” – by definition.

    Dirty tricks are in their charters – in their blood; they don’t have to “ask” to tip over some country.

    Once a “license-to-kill” is issued, it’s non-revocable. Those “approvals” went out with Teddy Roosevelt.

  211. Mevashir 说:
    @Anonymous

    A couple of years ago I wrote a long expose of the horrible quality of life and corruption in “the ME’s only democracy”. This thoughtful article immediately elicited eloquent ziokike rebuttals that consisted of sheer character assassination. A favorite accusation of the hasbarists is that any critic of isNOTreal is “attention seeking.” (As though our entire western culture that idolizes celebrities film stars and athletes isn’t entirely based on narcissistic attention seeking. But those idols tend to favor the ziokike agenda so they are given a free pass.)

    At any rate, this kind of rank smear is the MO of the ziokike trolls. Instead of dealing rationally with the information presented they try desperately to discredit the person presenting the evidence. It’s all smoke and mirrors, like the ziokikes who were caught immediately after 9/11/2001 with a trunkload of explosives and thousands of dollars of cash and other incriminating items and immediately told the NY police that “we’re not your problem; the Palestinians are your problem.” Ziokikes excel at bullying shaming and smearing.

    I say all this to urge Mr Unz to censor these kinds of BS comments. They do nothing but sully the thread and waste bandwidth. It’s your website and you may censor according to any standards you might wish to impose. It serves no public good to allow the ziokike scheissshmearers to have any kind of platform, even anonymously.

    • 谢谢: Nancy
  212. America is doing covid bioweapon research in Galveston and Chapel Hill too so it is possible it came from America. How much of the media’s and big tech’s censoring is a result of hiding the biowarfare attack instead of Trump derangement syndrome?

    The recent Vanity Fair article makes it clear that some people in the government didn’t want American bioweapon development programs to get bad press. CTRL+F and look for “U.S. Army” without quotes in the following article. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

    Based on reported infections and deaths at Johns Hopkin’s map it is conceivable that Iran was a target, but their precious Israel has had ~8 times the cases than China has had and ~1,500 more deaths. Vastly smaller population and racialist say they are the smartest people on Earth along with the East Asians. If it was a bioweapon that America intentionally released then they should have known that the virus wasn’t as infectious against East Asians or they were idiots. Biden is planning to expand the war on terror pogrom to include Americans so it is conceivable that Americans were a target. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    I think the smoking gun though is the US government’s awareness of the virus in November 2019. That needs an explanation. Are they psychic, was it because they released it, or is it because they had access to China’s secret knowledge of the outbreak. If you are going to fight another nuclear power, fighting it directly is suicide. Bioweapons make sense. If this is a bioweapon then so far the arsonist has gotten away with almost 4 million reported deaths globally. That is a lot. If it is a bioweapon attack, was this just a trial (dress rehearsal) or the real thing? They should have data now on why it didn’t work well on China, and how to modify it to get past solely China and Russia’s vaccines if that is possible. Then they could say that America’s vastly superior vaccines were more effective when Corona-chan has an intentional infectious mutation that gets around China and Russia’s vaccines.

  213. utu 说:
    @Sean

    The reason for attacking Wuhan would have been to male it look like an escape from Bat Lady’s lab, and that alone.

    and then minimizing the threat by politicians like Boris and Trump so it would spread all over the world and failing at policies to contain it in the West to make people suffer enough to build up the grievance capital against China.

    • 回复: @Sean
  214. Skeptikal 说:
    @Chris Moore

    Did miss it, or did Ron say where he actually thinks the virus or whatever it is originated?

    Was it brought to China by those who infiltrated the Military Games?

    Where did they get it, and how did they transport it to China, and in what form?

  215. @anonym25

    Gee, if one was planning something like this, they might start with a couple strains; one more lethal to shoot at “the enemy,” and another less lethal to build a bit of natural immunity back home if the more lethal strain found its way back home. The less lethal one would still be lethal enough to kill the old and most infirm, but that’s a feature, not a bug, as those folks are useless eaters. That would have been the end of discussion if this was a government affair advised by Mitre or RAND.

    I imagine the original plotters didn’t fully grasp what a goldmine they were about to set into emotion until somebody in the Davos crowd got wind of this and started wargaming the potential opportunities with things like Event 201 to work out how the oligarchs could use it to carve up the world.

  216. Skeptikal 说:
    @JasonT

    同意。 Unz 的推测还不够深入。

    他忽略了太多方面,就好像它们无关紧要,或者更糟糕的是,“阴谋论”。 那个标签对 Unz 先生来说是最可怕的。 同时,这也是他最有可能用来对付那些刺激他开始下一步行动的人的武器。

    所有方面都相互关联,相互交织。

    • 同意: JasonT
  217. sally 说:
    @Realist

    特朗普有四年时间将芭蕾舞团还给美国政府。 特朗普在这个方向上没有采取任何行动。

    每个有资格投票的公民都可以在大选中获得三张选票。 这三张选票中没有一张可以通过种姓选举总统或副总统,为什么? 因为总统和副总统是美国宪法第二条,而且是第二条的人。 与作为第一条人选的参议院和众议院相反,根据美国宪法,公民选民不能选举。 第二条 人选由选举团选举产生。

    第二条 人员由选举团选举产生。 不是投票公众。
    每个有资格投票的美国公民都有权投票给他或她所在州的 2 名参议员,并且
    每个有资格投票的美国公民都有权投票选举他或她所在州的众议院议员。 三张选票各自选举一项人。 0 票赞成第二条人。

    我同意特朗普是一个无法对弦做出适当反应的深南傀儡。

    • 回复: @Realist
  218. @Anonymous

    是否有任何生物,无论是肝吸虫、细菌、原生动物还是粪甲虫,都像被洗脑的洋基涂鸦狗一样令人讨厌?

  219. Iris 说:
    @chrimony

    Sorry dear, but this comment brings absolutely nothing to the discussion. Your thesis is the MSM baseline. You are just “explaining” for the umpteenth time the idiocies already re-hashed thousands of time on 福克斯新闻,英国的 “每日邮报太阳, and other “beacons” of the West now-defunt intellectual life.

    Your thesis is that, since the outbreak was first detected in Wuhan, and since Wuhan possesses a BSL4 Lab, then the two must be mandatorily linked. Such infantile causality is well fitted for the lobotomised; even retards with just a couple of functioning neurons should get the message. Except you are on the wrong forum.

    But instead of screaming at the top of their lungs that this insanely dangerous research needs to be sensibly shut down, everywhere, they insist it’s the sole responsibility of neocons as part of a shadowy bioweapon attack on China and Iran. Give me a break.

    No. The simple, sensible and safe way for US research authorities to exculpate themselves from any hypothetical error made at the WIV would have been to simply state the true facts.

    They remotely funded a 有价值 Health research, as did other Western nations, they did not manage it in the field, so cannot be held responsible for any wrongdoing happening as a result.

    But according to you, instead of stating this genuine and totally exonerating excuse, they would have gone to the extreme, dangerous and suicidal length of inventing a biological attack carried out by military in their own camp, as a diversion?
    Even the standard 减速 with just two functioning neurons will find this hard to believe.

    • 同意: emersonreturn
    • 回复: @chrimony
    , @Brás Cubas
  220. Truth 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I tried to tell you months ago, Ronino, the Piefaces are going to strike back at the honkees for what you are doing to them, I’m not talking about Covid either…

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhf0W53kU9GpvWaslc

  221. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    引用来自路透社文章的斜体字:

    “库姆是伊朗最重要的城市之一,与中国有着密切的联系,是许多中国人的家园。 伊朗卫生部长公开表示,据信该病毒是由一名死于该病毒的库姆商人从中国抵达的。”

    你让自己看起来很可笑。

    According to Wikipedia, Iran has a total Chinese population of 2000-3000, one of the smallest in the world, and I’d assume that the overwhelming majority are concentrated in the huge city of Tehran rather than in the Holy City of Qom:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Iran

    If back in 2019, some experienced epidemiologists had been told that a disease epidemic, whether natural or caused by a lab-leak, had broken out in Wuhan, China, and were asked to predict where it would next randomly spread, I think Iran and Qom would have probably been towards the bottom of the global list, let alone the Iranian parliament and political elites. Iran’s population is 0.004% Chinese.

    与此同时,意大利有超过 300,000 万中国人口,主要集中在伦巴第,西班牙大约有 150,000 万,这些是(非常有可能的)第三次和第四次大爆发的地点:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Italy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Spain

    Since Italy has 100x more Chinese than Iran, isn’t it a little “odd” that a random Chinese lab-leak would reach the latter so much sooner?

    路透社文章: “而且,当当局在 21 月初确实意识到国内出现类似流感病毒的病例时,他们直到几周后才宣布这一消息,因为担心在计划于 XNUMX据一位直接了解此事的高级官员说,XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日。”

    That’s very interesting. I don’t think it’s ever been solidly established exactly when the Iranian outbreak began, and I’d always assumed it was around mid-February. But according to that Reuters report, it probably began in early January.

    So America assassinated Iran’s top military commander Gen. Soleimani on January 3rd, and probably just a few days later, Iran was hit with a deadly, mysterious viral illness. What a strange coincidence…

    并感谢您的提示!

  222. @Sean

    I see, unsurprised, that you use the racist, misogynist, denigatory ‘Bat Lady’ instead of her name. Your type never deviate from the core hatreds and contempts, do you. And Iranians are dirty, unsanitary, beasts, too.

    • 回复: @Sean
  223. @Marcali

    我认为德黑兰距离新疆大约 1400 公里。

  224. @Ron Unz

    ‘…according to a senior official with direct knowledge of the matter.’ Translating from the presstitute gibberish-the latest Official Lie, regurgitated by a presstitute vermin without hesitation. Its job depends on it.

  225. Ron Unz 说:
    @Marcali

    伊朗-中国距离4622公里。
    伦敦-德黑兰距离 4398 公里。
    伦敦人会说德黑兰在世界的另一端。 并且会是正确的。

    谢谢。

    And if we’re going to be absolutely technical about it, the distance between Wuhan, China and Qom, Iran is 5,829 km.

  226. gay troll 说:
    @Ron Unz

    因此,美国于 3 月 XNUMX 日暗杀了伊朗最高军事指挥官苏莱曼尼将军,可能就在几天后,伊朗感染了一种致命的、神秘的病毒性疾病。 多么奇怪的巧合……

    authorized the assassination of Soleimani?

    • 同意: Sean
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  227. @Ron Unz

    Iran’s authorities blamed an 伊朗的 merchant from Qom for bringing it back. That was clear in his quote. Not a Chinese resident of Iran.

    Perhaps don’t say that “someone is making themselves look ridiculous”, while getting what they wrote completely wrong.

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @anon
  228. @utu

    I hate to (kind of) disagree with you, because your comments are always top quality, but, you know, sometimes intelligence people do… intelligence work.

    • 回复: @utu
  229. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    你让自己看起来很可笑。

    来自你,我会把它当作一种恭维。 你认为美国做了有史以来最愚蠢的事情,并使用了 病毒 作为对抗伊朗和中国的生物武器,在中国的 300 名美国士兵的“掩护”下,很可能将病毒带回美国和加拿大。 你相信这不是武汉病毒研究所的实验室泄漏,在那里,新型冠状病毒正在爆发的中心武汉被设计出来。 与其发出声音来关闭高度危险的研究,不如试图将人们拖入愚蠢的阴谋论中,以消除像 Fauci 和 Peter Daszak 这样的人的热度。 真他妈的难以置信。

    抛出一个想法是一回事,但继续兜售它是另一回事,尽管隐藏了奥卡姆剃刀关键的所有缺陷是整个惨败的关键。 你没有羞耻。

    根据维基百科,伊朗的中国人口总数为 2000-3000 人,是世界上最少的中国人口之一,我认为绝大多数人都集中在德黑兰这个大城市而不是圣城库姆

    这些数字包括中国工人吗? 我想你比伊朗卫生部更了解:

    “由于库姆的感染者与中国人没有接触……源可能是在库姆工作并去过中国的中国工人,”她补充道。 https://eurasiantimes.com/chinese-workers-suspected-of-bringing-coronavirus-in-iran-neighboring-balochistan-on-high-alert/

    同样来自您参考的维基百科文章:

    “大多数现代中国侨民从事建筑或其他工程项目; 少数经营进出口公司或其他小型企业。 大型投资项目也越来越普遍; 浙江商人于2006年开始建造伊朗第一个中国贸易综合体。该国南部330,000万平方米的场地,距霍拉姆沙赫尔1,500公里,距伊拉克边境600公里,预计将容纳XNUMX家企业,耗资XNUMX亿元人民币完全的。”

    如果早在 2019 年,一些有经验的流行病学家被告知在中国武汉爆发了一场自然或由实验室泄漏引起的疾病流行,并被要求预测它接下来会随机传播到哪里,我认为伊朗和库姆很可能会排在全球名单的底部,更不用说伊朗议会和政治精英了。

    中国工人和宗教习俗(聚会和亲吻神社)。 你永远不会解决这些问题。

    这很有趣。 我认为伊朗疫情爆发的确切时间并没有完全确定,我一直认为它是在 XNUMX 月中旬左右。 但根据路透社的报道,它可能始于 XNUMX 月初。

    它可能在九月或十月在武汉开始。 到 XNUMX 月,他们正在把人焊接到他们的公寓里。 不管你怎么切,它在武汉两个月后全面打击了伊朗。 为什么延迟?

    因此,美国于 3 月 XNUMX 日暗杀了伊朗最高军事指挥官苏莱曼尼将军,可能就在几天后,伊朗感染了一种致命的、神秘的病毒性疾病。 多么奇怪的巧合……

    如果政府是目标,为什么他们要到 XNUMX 月份才开始下降? 奥卡姆剃刀说他们是从人群中传播的病毒中发现的, 在选举季节. 但是你有锤子,会继续敲螺丝,不是吗?

    • 同意: Incitatus, Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @Hughes
    , @Ron Unz
  230. @anon

    the mRNA degrades rapidly and the spike proteins do not leave the cells the mRNA enters.

    Right. So all those side effects we’ve been hearing about were just achy shoulder muscles…

    Why do you sound exactly like an MSM fact-checker?

  231. chrimony 说:
    @Iris

    Sorry dear, but this comment brings absolutely nothing to the discussion.

    Sorry moron, but your comment brings nothing to the discussion. It just continues peddling a stupid conspiracy theory that flies in the face of the most obvious facts on the ground. You’d rather turn a blind eye to insanely dangerous research (in which both the US and China share culpability) just so you could keep your precious conspiracy theory that blames the US alone, and leaves the people responsible for the research untouched.

    No. The simple, sensible and safe way for US research authorities to exculpate themselves from any hypothetical error made at the WIV would have been to simply state the true facts.

    They remotely funded a 有价值 Health research, as did other Western nations, they did not manage it in the field, so cannot be held responsible for any wrongdoing happening as a result.

    It wasn’t “valuable” research, it was insanely dangerous research that was at one point prohibited for good reason. But Fauci argued it was “valuable” and funded it through a proxy group to spread this research to China. That’s why Fauci and Peter Daszak were so intent on burying the lab leak theory. They have blood on their hands.

    • 同意: Getaclue, Dnought
    • 巨魔: Iris
    • 回复: @Harold Smith
  232. RobinG 说:

    A musical interlude….

    Chinese youtuber Li Jingjing exposes suppression of Uyghur culture in Xinjiang… NOT!

    Challenge a young Uyghur music talent to play all traditional instruments in Hami, Xinjiang

    • 回复: @Tdstype2
  233. @utu

    That the narrative was overturned from what was considered officially true in 2020 is not a result of new evidence or new papers by reputable scientists who haven’t touched the subject yet

    I have my doubts they will ever touch it because it appears that at least some of them have a conflict of interest. As for new evidence, you are probably right, in what regards the cause for the shift in the accepted discourse, but what do you think of this recent paper from Deigin and others?

    Unexpected novel Merbecovirus discoveries in agricultural sequencing datasets from Wuhan, China
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.01533

    • 回复: @utu
  234. I translated some conclusions in Ron Unz’s article into German and tried to share it on German social networks. I discovered that all links to this website are blocked in Germany. That is weird, I thought. So I obscured the obvious links with aliases from tiny-url, bit still the networks would not accept me sharing those links. If human beings such as Ron Unz, or websites and speech in general are PROHIBITED on a global, planetary scale, than it seems obvious that we are living in a global, planetary Tyranny. Just saying.

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @gatobart
  235. Anonymous[144]• 免责声明 说:
    @gay troll

    Pompeo, obviously. You know that.

    • 回复: @gay troll
  236. Sean 说:
    @utu

    As far as I am aware Xi is not the US Deep State’s Manchurian candidate and so it would be understood a bioweapon operation against China had to dupe China into thinking that, whatever had happened, Americans were not responsible. China has a powerful army, a proxy in Kim (who has US soldiers in SK in his sights) , and several hundred nuclear weapons. For reasons that ought to be obvious, faking a natural spread from Wuhan was essential to minimise the risk of Xi retaliating with military force or provocations. Yet such a seemingly natural spread from Wuhan would provide time for countermeasures to prevent the infection reaching Beijing . To have the pandemic begining in Wuhan and yet still decimate Beijing, it would have had to be extremely transmissible making a global pandemic inevitable.
    Furthermore:-

    https://supchina.com/2020/03/12/the-chinese-migrant-workers-who-power-israeli-construction/

    Chinese workers began going to Israel in the 1990s in the wake of the First Palestinian uprising, or Intifada, fulfilling a severe labor shortage in Israel’s construction industry. Today, Chinese workers represent the largest proportion of foreign workers in construction in the country, numbering around 6,000. They work in various projects, mostly employed by Israeli firms.

    Neocons dual citizens knew that.

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @utu
  237. Realist 说:
    @sally

    我同意特朗普是一个无法对弦做出适当反应的深南傀儡。

    我相信特朗普按照深州的命令和预期做了。

  238. @Sean

    The Chinese would have known that it was an American bio-warfare attack, because fools like I know it, and the Chinese have far more extensive intelligence resources. But, with the epidemic suppressed in China, there was no need to retaliate in any way, as such would lead to annihilatory war. The Chinese have suffered US subversion and sabotage and relentless Western hate propaganda for decades, so they know how to keep their equanimity with rabid psychopaths. As the final US collapse is at hand, the Chinese know that they just have to wait, and that things will be extraordinarily dangerous as the USA enters its hydrophobic phase.

    • 回复: @RobinG
    , @Skeptikal
  239. @Thorsten J. Pattberg

    Absolutely. Elite totalitarianism in the West is near complete, and yet the political psychopaths still shriek about ‘Our Moral Values’ and ‘Free Societies’. The crack-up boom in Western elite psychopathology, like Jung’s ‘psychic epidemic’ of the 20s and 30s, mirrors the same process in train in economics. A final, frenetic, blow-out, before the debacle. All but psychopaths have been purged from Western political, media and business elites over recent decades, and they cannot handle too much reality.

  240. gatobart 说:
    @Thorsten J. Pattberg

    I have always wondered why so many, specially English speaking , people use that “just saying” bit at the end of their otherwise sensible and apparently strong statements. Why would they do that…? It is that after thinking about it they aren’t even sure of what they said, or wrote…? I say this because I feel kind of cheated, like I wasted my time reading what they wrote because if they feel that insecure about that, why am I reading it at all…? It sounds so wishy -washy, so Charlie Brown. In my book you don’t have to give excuses or feeling uncomfortable after making a frank statement. And I’m NOT just saying.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  241. @Ron Unz

    One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    Cue in the ‘anti-personnel’ mine. Meant to maim people, not armor.

  242. RobinG 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Chinese would have known that it was an American bio-warfare attack, because fools like I know it

    Fools like you (your words!) don’t even know what know means. You speculate, suspect, conjecture, etc., but most certainly don’t know. Or do tell, if you were part of the team involved? The best Ron has to offer is the DIA report. Interesting, but not proof. Then alot of correlation begging to be causation.

  243. Mevashir 说:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research
    https://www.haaretz.com/amp/1.5011051
    https://m.jpost.com/health-science/what-is-the-secretive-institute-that-found-an-antibody-to-the-coronavirus-627133/amp
    http://www.armagedon.org.il/ness_ziona_english.htm
    https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/83cohen.pdf

    Most sabotage actions against the nation of Iran have been joint ventures between amer-wreakin’ and ziokikestan. The latter has a huge biowarfare research program at a place called ness tziona [the miracle of zion, yeah right same old same old of mass poisoning the goyim].

    So if the covid outbreak in Iran was a biowarfare operation, it stands to reason that the Jukes were also involved. That might explain why they were so prepared for the mass lockdown of their society and mass inoculation of their fellow ziodupes.

    Covid-19 forms a Hebrew numerological expression for “The hand of God was heavy”, alluding to the kike predilection to invoke bloody retribution and vengeance from their deity.

    I’d like to see Ron and Shamir dig a little bit deeper into this pile of Judeo-Christian geopolitical horsesh*t.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  244. Incitatus 说:

    阴谋,阴谋,阴谋!

    什么,剥去重要树干的树皮,露出来了?

    “鉴于我们与中国持续的军事和地缘政治对抗,美国似乎是 [Covid-19 对中国] 攻击的可能来源……”

    多么乐观的证明! 大陪审团入座! 传唤证人!

    如果 Covid-19 是经过精心设计和恶意传播的,那么有许多被忽视的潜在作者。 为什么不指责俄罗斯(一流的生物武器能力,谁将从中美冲突中获益最多)? 然而,俄罗斯在 Unz 的计算中无处可去。 想知道为什么。

    挑逗之上的挑逗! 疯子阴谋论上疯子阴谋论!

    希望 UR 作为深州坚果农场得到 DARPA 的补贴。

    • 巨魔: Mevashir
    • 回复: @utu
  245. Bill 说:
    @Anonymous

    If Ron isn’t paying you, he should be.

    I don’t think Ron has a particularly strong argument, but, holy shit, your comment makes me want to look again.

  246. Mevashir 说:
    @Mevashir

    Another one of those strange coincidences that Ron focuses on is last year when Pompeo went to ziokikestan and delivered an ultimatum telling them to sever their commercial relations with China, during his visit the Chinese Ambassador to ziokikestan was found dead in his apartment. He was only in his forties and had no known health problems.

    And we thought the Italian mafia was dangerous! The kosher-nostra speak loudly and wield a very small [micronukes and microbiological agents] zayin-stick.

  247. @Mustapha Mond

    To have solid scientific proof of a new disease takes time. To be suspicious that one could exist takes little time.

    In December 2019, I warned a friend not to take a trip to Vietnam in January, 2020 because of the various short, vague stories about disease in Wuhan that appeared in the Global Times (the Chinese Communist newspaper) as well as Western media. He cancelled his trip. He knew damn well I had no solid evidence or secret contacts. Suspicion isn’t proof but there are times when caution is suggested.

    I suspect the CIA had a similar opinion. Why would I think they were dumber than me? Why would they be less alert? I believe that being evil is a good qualification for joining the CIA but what’s that got to do with the price of fish? I have no reason for thinking CIA employees are unintelligent so I doubt that they’d support an attack on Iran or China that would obviously spread and be defended against laughably poorly by all NATO countries and the rest of the world.

    It’s like the Chinese “over the top” response. The rest of the world made a ridiculously feeble and expensive response. The Chinese made the sensible, lowest cost response. Anybody with a brain in their head would have predicted that. Who’d be so stupid that they’d make an identical attack simultaneously against their enemy’s greatest strength and their own greatest weakness? [电子邮件保护]

    • 同意: Godfree Roberts
    • 回复: @anon
  248. TheMoon 说:
    @Anonymous

    No, I mean the idea of doing things like this to get everyone pissed at China.

  249. utu 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    “…sometimes intelligence people do… intelligence work…” – Yes, absolutely. Steven Quay can be correct. All what I was trying to convey is that he was recruited by David Asher to prepare the case for the ‘prosecution’. He was not an independent expert hired by the ‘court’. In fact he was not an expert in the area on which he helped to build the case against the WIV. That David Asher did not or could not find a real expert can be telling. As Vanity Fair article tells us Ralph Baric challenged the validity of Quay’s argument about the improbability of the furin cleavage site. Then after the Wade’s article appeared Quay and his collaborator who happens to be physicist not microbiologist have their editorial published in WSJ which obviously is widely reported all over the world. What we were witnessing has markings of operation conducted by somewhat amateurish “intelligence people” who were tasked to cause a major shift of the narrative. IMO it is likely that Wade was a part of that operation. Wade was needed because Baker’s article in the NY Magazine had a bad luck with timing.

    So let’s recapitulated: the whole case is built on the blog of Yuri Deigin who is not associated with any scientific institution and on Steven Quay who is a cardiologist. There is no paper that would make a comprehensive and exhaustive study of furin cleavage natural vs. synthetic creation. The 2020 Segreto and Deigin paper is based on Deigin’s blog and while Segreto is associated with a university as a postdoc her contribution is not apparent. Their paper was criticized.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Sean
  250. DaveE 说:
    @Alfred

    它被称为“深州飞行纸”。

    准备打架。 (((他们))) 至少已经准备了一个世纪。

  251. Getaclue 说:
    @gay troll

    If Trump ordered it — it would have been leaked as everything else was leaked, it would have been an easy way then to get rid of him which is what they wanted for 4 years and tried by various methods — he didn’t have this much power — more like who ever was controlling Fauci did — and Trump definitely had zero control over him.

  252. @anon

    “The simplest explanation is true.”

    同意。
    And the simplest explanation is that there is no pandemic.
    这是个骗局。

    • 同意: Alden, John Wear
    • 谢谢: St-Germain
    • 回复: @Mevashir
  253. Sean 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    There are bats in India, Nigeria and Brazil , and humans are encroaching into their environment, but China seems to have had more that its fair share of bad luck with SARs and the current global outbreak. In 2002 there was SAARs and now we have Covid-19, a global pandemic that started in of all places in the 1.4 billion population country that is China in the city of Wuhan . While SARS was natural it did not become an infection disease in a place where work on diseases like it was being done. Thousands of pigs in four factory farms came down and died with a SARS like disease in 2016, that happened in Qingyuan County in Guangdonan hour’s drive from where the SARS outbreak originated. So there can be diseases like SARS without human intervention.

    Shi Zhengl has been collecting pathogen samples from wild bat colonies since 2004. Her Wuhan institute was the world leader in finding and studying dangerous-to-humans coronaviruses inside bats living in caves located in remote regions. The Wuhan Institute of Virology expeditions were often disappointed in being unable to find any bats at all, and when they located them they had no coronaviruses. (they began using antibodies to the SARS virus which revealed that coronavirus in bats was seasonal). So it was a frustrating eleven years for her. But eventually she and colleagues found some bats with range of coronaviruses at an abandoned copper mineshaft where workers clearing accumulated bat guano had got sick and died, although they did not pass on the disease human to human. Actually it later transpired that it was a fungus growing on the guano that had made the workers sick.

    Anyway, having finally, 最后 found an interesting colony of bats with a range of coronaviruses, they began five years of swabbing the wild bats and takin the sample back to the Wuhan institute of Shi Zhengl. There were a total 15,000 samples taken. The outbreak starting in Wuhan in such propinquity greatly ads to the plausibility of a non engineered natural virus that was one of those sampled by Shi being the origin of the pandemic. Shi herself admits she did work with bat coronaviruses and human lung cells in a petri dish and was able to produces SARS-like diseases in mice; quite possibly humanized mice.

    One might wonder if she was serial passaging through lab animals or cell cultures and in effect doing gain of function that transformed a virus just out of a bat into one with an extraordinary degree of human–human transmissibility that it never would have got by a natural process. Moreover she had live bats in her lab, this was vehemently denied by Peter Daszak, but is now known to be true. An individual bat infected with multiple coronavirus strains can lead to the production of new viruses. So the research going on at Shi’s institute would have been a perfectly plausible way for the virus to arise and right out of the gate posses an exceptional ability to move between humans; what is needed for it to become a true pandemic and kill millions as SARS in 2002 did not. Robert Redfield considers that almost unparalleled transmissibility a very telling feature of the Covid-19 pathogen, and it is not one that SARS had. Lipkin had been warning China about the wet markers for a decade.

  254. anon[389]• 免责声明 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Depending on who was reporting it.

    Iran Knows Who to Blame for the Virus: America and Israel

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/19/iran-irgc-coronavirus-propaganda-blames-america-israel/

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  255. utu 说:
    @Sean

    I took a fragment of your idea because the insatiable conspiracy ghosts that roam this place remain hungry on the diet of Ron Unz’s conspiracy theory. The insatiable conspiracy ghosts want to see the Great Reset Apocalypse tied to his theory because they can’t not think about the Great Reset Apocalypse. After all they have been conditioned for last 16 months by Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir and other dubious characters to whom Ron Unz provides this platform.

    Thus the theory would go as follows: Wuhan was seeded because the WIV was there. The objective of starting epidemic in Wuhan was not to paralyze and significantly damage China, as Ron Unz’s theory claims, but to blame China for the world wide pandemic. Thus the true objective was to have the pandemic spread all over and inflict significant material damage and more importantly damage to morale of people to accumulate resentment and grievance capital against China by the whole world.

    This would also explain why the response to the pandemic was so inadequate in the West, why instead of virus eradication strategy that has never been put on the table except for Taiwan and NZ both the UK and the US were toying with the criminal herd immunity strategy. They wanted in the words of Boris Johnson ‘let the bodies pile high’ in order to built huge grievance capital against China.

    The theory is independent of what China would have done. If China screws up and get really bad case of pandemic that would be great though it could risk China getting belligerent but if China responded as it did respond and stopped the pandemic quickly that would be better because it only would make people resent China more and make China look even more guilty.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  256. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    What we were witnessing has markings of operation conducted by somewhat amateurish “intelligence people” who were tasked to cause a major shift of the narrative. IMO it is likely that Wade was a part of that operation. Wade was needed because Baker’s article in the NY Magazine had a bad luck with timing.

    I tend to agree that there was an organized operation by anti-China/pro-Trump elements to revive the lab-leak theory and have it replace the natural virus orthodoxy, which they’ve now succeeded in doing. This was possible after Trump was gone because the MSM hated him too much to admit he’d been right while he was in office.

    I also agree that if not for the unlucky timing of the Baker article, the whole thing probably would have happened in January, and I’d emphasized this in a couple of my articles.

    However, I think it’s extremely unlikely that Wade was involved. His article was rejected by every publication he approached, left and right alike, and surely those groups you mention would have had the clout to get him published somewhere. So after Wade’s excellent work punctured the existing propaganda-balloon, those groups you mention just quickly jumped on board and helped push things along. If Wade hadn’t come along, they probably would have used some other vehicle, perhaps the “名利场” 的文章。

    After all, there actually seems very strong evidence that the virus was artificial, so with Trump gone, sooner or later the scientific reality would have come out.

    • 回复: @utu
  257. @Morton's toes

    Fine, speculate if you wish, but first address the experts’ published findings.

  258. anon[825]• 免责声明 说:

    Anybody understand what these three were doing?

    Harvard University Professor, 查尔斯·利伯, and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases

    Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.

    Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research 到中国。

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

    比容多

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  259. @Herald

    Chinese officialdom generally tells the truth. And in this case, we have 17 Western experts matched with 17 Chinese experts telling us the same thing.

    My point is: why should we (who have zero expertise) ignore them and simply speculate?

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  260. anon[389]• 免责声明 说:
    @Donald A Thomson

    Who’d be so stupid that they’d make an identical attack simultaneously against their enemy’s greatest strength and their own greatest weakness?

    Not that I disagree with you. But someone already posted this before.

    The US ranked first in preparedness for epidemics or pandemics, and China ranked 51th.

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/global-pandemic-preparedness-ranked/
    https://www.ghsindex.org/

  261. Mevashir 说:
    @A little boy in the crowd

    I’ve been thinking along your lines as well. Consider some simple statistics. Let’s start with the claim that in the Spanish flu of 1918-1919, 50-100 million people died globally. And remember that the total global population was much smaller than it is today. Meaning that a much greater percentage of people died in that pandemic.

    I’ve read that the global mortality rate comes out to approximately 200,000 deaths per day or roughly two deaths per second. This comes out to about 6 million deaths globally per month or 70 million deaths globally per year. This is the normal mortality rate excluding pandemics and other forms of mass casualties.

    The United States has approximately 1/20th of the world’s population so divide the above numbers by 20 and you get approximately 300,000 deaths per month in the United States or 4 million deaths per year. If there have been 600,000 covid deaths in the United States this is less than a 20% increase in the normal mortality rate. It hardly seems to me that this qualifies as a true pandemic.

    It would be valuable to know the total mortality numbers in the United States in the last year. Because presumably many mortalities were incorrectly labeled as covid. See how similar this situation is to counting the total Jewish population attrition from before to after World War II?

    • 同意: St-Germain
    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Godfree Roberts
  262. utu 说:
    @Incitatus

    “Yet Russia’s nowhere in Unz’s calculation.” – The sacred cow of TUR is Russia.

    • 巨魔: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  263. Hughes 说:
    @chrimony

    The first thing the US should have done then is to search into whoever personnel the US sent to Wuhan and put them into quarantine instead of pretending they never have contingent of military personnel visited Wuhan just before an outbreaks happened.

    There’s also the fact that US MSM have served as US propaganda organ both aimed for global audience as well domestic is oddly enough has no interest to the story the Chinese side has come up with if anything to make sure the US keep their own country and military from getting infected by wuhan outbreak.

  264. Hughes 说:
    @chrimony

    All international flights come first from Tehran. If there’s an outbreaks that naturally happen it’ll happen first in Tehran. Qom is IRGC holy grounds which wasn’t important internationally unless one look to hurt IRGC inside Iran. Similarly WIV BSL4 lableak theory would have to prove how lableak wouldn’t have became WIV labs the ground zero of Wuhan outbreak instead of Huanan wet market.

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @anonym25
  265. Sean 说:
    @utu

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7435492/
    生物论文。 2020 年 12 月 2000091 日:XNUMX。
    doi: 10.1002/bies.202000091 [Epub 印刷前]
    PMCID:PMC7435492
    结论:32786014
    Might SARS‐CoV‐2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture?
    许多新型冠状病毒独特基因组的潜在解释

    {T]he artificial generations added by forced serial passage creates the artificial appearance of evolutionary distance… and is exactly what is found with SARS‐CoV‐2, which is distant enough from any other virus that it has been placed in its own clade. […] And just like influenza viruses are only able to preserve their furin cleavages in artificial environments since the heightened virulence they impart kills their hosts before they can propagate in a natural setting, based on the known taxonomy lineage B coronaviruses do not appear to be able to support furin cleavages in nature. […] SARS‐CoV‐2 may have gained its furin cleavage site the same way influenza viruses do—through the in vivo serial passage between the live hosts

    Shi says she did work with bat coronaviruses and human lung cells in a petri dish and was able to produces SARS-like diseases in mice; quite possibly humanized mice. If she was serial passaging through lab animals or cell cultures that might have transformed a virus just out of a bat into one with an extraordinary degree of human–human transmissibility that it never would have got by a natural process. Simon Wain-Hobson compared it to breed a dachshund out of wolves, meaning not something that would arise in nature.

    Baric is disqualified from expressing a opinion given his conflict of interest inasmuch he taught the Shi Zhengl’s people how to certain GoF in 2016. Simon Wain-Hobson. one of the world’s most eminent virologists, was 非常 critical of Baric’s creation of a novel pathogen . Wain-Hobson thought it could escape and cause a pandemic. Anyway, sorry to keep saying this, but a lab leak could be of a natural virus, of which Shi had plenty at her institute. Does anyone seriously think her totalitarian government would permitted Shi to to own up if she knew Covid-19 was one of hers? Fauci is being supported by Biden, and the evidence of some sort of lab leak–if it ever existed–has been destroyed by now anyway. No one in government in China or America wants to know if science was responsible for all this.

  266. utu 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    I am curious about the authors:

    Daoyu Zhang – Independent Genetics Researcher, Sydney, Australia
    Adrian Jones – Independent Bioinformatics Researcher, Melbourne, Australia
    Yuri Deigin – Youthereum Genetics Inc, Toronto, ON, Canada
    Karl Sirotkin – Karl Sirotkin LLC, Lake Mary, FL, 32746, USA
    Alejandro Sousa – Regional Hospital of Monforte, Lugo, Spain

    Karl and Dan Sirotkin published in Aug 2020
    Might SARS-CoV-2 Have Arisen via Serial Passage through an Animal Host or Cell Culture?
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202000091

    and in Feb 2021
    Clarification regarding the likely leak of a novel viral strain from a Soviet laboratory
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bies.202100017

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  267. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    抛出一个想法是一回事,但继续兜售它是另一回事,尽管隐藏了奥卡姆剃刀关键的所有缺陷是整个惨败的关键。 你没有羞耻。

    Since your name wasn’t familiar to me, I assumed you were just a pro-Israel activist-type, but checking your commenter archive, you seem more anti-PRC, possibly Taiwanese. Either way, your views are hardly surprising. And you don’t seem very good at separating factual information from the opinions, propaganda, and speculation contained in news stories.

    让我们关注事实:

    (1) 在中国之后,下一次重大的新冠病毒爆发发生在伊朗,其政治精英受到的打击尤其严重。 随后的所有重大早期疫情都发生在中国人数众多的国家和地区,他们是明显的传播媒介,但伊朗的中国人口绝对微不足道。

    (2) Iran is honeycombed with American and Israeli spies and terrorist-cells, who for years have successfully carried out numerous high-profile assassinations and major acts of sabotage. The Iranian Covid outbreak seems to have begun almost exactly around the time that American assassinated Iran’s top military leader.

    这些都不能证明什么,但似乎 *异常* 任何合理的观察者都怀疑。

    Meanwhile, you note that Iran has important business and industrial relations with China. But that’s true of nearly all the countries in the world. For example, it’s been widely reported that a million Chinese currently work in Africa, yet there weren’t any early outbreaks there. There are more than 5 million Chinese-Americans, a good fraction of whom are China-born and retain close ties to that country, and they were an important early vector for our own outbreaks, yet these occurred long after the one in Iran.

    伊朗的数千名中国人会在早期爆发大规模疫情,而其他地方的数百万中国人却没有,这是否合理?

    Since the Iranians were faced with a mysterious epidemic that had seemingly jumped from China, they searched for possible explanations at a time when no one was suggesting an American biowarfare attack. Meanwhile, China was facing severe domestic and international pressure at that point, and blaming the outbreak on travelers from China might have seriously damaged relations with one of their most crucial allies. So a government official claimed that their outbreak was due to an Iranian who visited China. That’s possible, but it’s also exactly the sort of cover-story they might have invented out of political necessity.

    碰巧的是,到 XNUMX 月,伊朗的一些高级领导人已经开始暗示 Covid 是一种生物武器,它们的爆发是由于美国和以色列等敌对国家的袭击。

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Weaponized-How-rumors-about-COVID-19s-origins-led-to-a-narrative-arms-race.pdf#page=45

    自然,西方组织谴责他们是疯狂的疯子,因为他们提出了如此荒谬的主张。

    伊朗早期的主张和后来的主张似乎都是推测性的,都没有不可否认的事实证据。

    • 回复: @chrimony
  268. @Anonymous

    I don’t see Ron Unz as an “angry man.”

    Driven….meticulous….high degree of intellectual integrity.

    You didn’t even try to refute Ron’s thesis or deal with any of the facts in the article.

    Note also that even though you shat all over the man, he went ahead and posted your dumbfuck comment…..this fact alone speaks VOLUMES regarding Ron Unz.

  269. Alden 说:
    @Mevashir

    0.18 percent of the population of the USA has died of covid hoax as of June 2021 according to the CDC.

    According to the USA Census Bureau the population of the US as of June 2021 is 331, 449,281

    According to the CDC, as of June 2021 600,289
    people in America died of covid hoax.

  270. JamesinNM 说:
    @Anonymous

    也许这是由美国领导的跨国 NWO 合作努力

  271. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    因为你的名字我不熟悉,我以为你只是一个亲以色列的活动家类型,但查看你的评论者档案,你看起来更反中国,可能是台湾人。

    如果你想把我放在一个盒子里,我支持真相,做正确的事。 这就是为什么我愿意在这件事上像批评中国一样批评美国 非常危险 由美国发起并由美国资助,并在美国的支持下传播到中国的功能获得性研究。 你没有 什么 谈谈这项研究?

    我一直认为靠近震中的武汉实验室非常可疑,当然我也听说过早期关于病毒如何设计的故事,但直到韦德关于功能获得性研究的文章我才意识到多年来,资金,弗林蛋白酶裂解位点,专家病毒学家的意见,对这种确切情况的多年警告等等。 ” 理论在那个面前,是不合情理的。

    无论哪种方式,您的观点都不足为奇。

    以什么方式? 我可以看到一个螺丝并将螺丝刀带到桌子上,而不是锤子? 当您的文章首次提出生物武器理论时,我认为它是合理的。 但是,进一步考虑并充分考虑我们现在所知道的所有事实,我认为这是对奥卡姆剃刀解决方案的疯狂推测和不屑一顾,认为这是实验室泄漏。

    而且您似乎不太擅长将事实信息与新闻报道中包含的观点、宣传和猜测分开。

    你在照镜子吗? 你的整个理论都是基于猜测,符合反美宣传。

    让我们关注事实:

    哦,你想专注于已经散列的事实吗? 好的,但让我们提一下这些 正确 第一:

    o 武汉在时间和地点上都是新型蝙蝠冠状病毒的中心。

    o 武汉病毒研究所正在对蝙蝠冠状病毒进行功能获得研究,这使得这些病毒对人类更具致病性。

    o 研究不是在最高安全水平下进行的。

    o 冠状病毒以前曾从实验室泄漏。

    o 一些病毒学专家认为该病毒看起来是为人类设计的。

    o 与 SARS 和 MERS 不同,没有发现中间宿主或进化宿主。

    我们应该 a) 首先怀疑武汉实验室有泄漏吗? 或者 b) 寻求一种推测性的理论,即美国故意泄露了一个 病毒 作为在中国进行军事比赛的 300 名美国士兵的“掩护”下的生物武器(并说当这些士兵返回时,病毒最终会回到美国和加拿大)。

    (1)继中国之后,下一次重大的Covid爆发发生在伊朗

    它同时去了意大利。 而且是两个月后。

    他们的政治精英受到的打击尤其严重。

    两个月后。 在人群中流传后。 在选举季节。 在一个宗教聚会和神社亲吻很常见的城市。 你愿意解释延迟吗? 或者承认可能有助于它传播的情况?

    随后的所有重大早期疫情都发生在中国人数众多的国家和地区,他们是明显的传播媒介,但伊朗的中国人口绝对微不足道。

    您依赖住宅号码,而对非住宅工人一无所知。

    (2) 伊朗是美国和以色列间谍和恐怖组织的蜂巢,多年来,他们成功地进行了多次高调暗杀和重大破坏活动。

    是的,还有? 那为什么武汉和伊朗之间会延迟两个月呢? 为什么你认为美国需要300名士兵的“掩护”参加军事比赛才能在中国释放病毒? 幽灵们不能买机票或不能使用美国大使馆? 你知道你听起来多么可笑吗?

    伊朗新冠病毒的爆发似乎几乎正好在美国暗杀伊朗最高军事领导人的时候开始。

    那为什么要到 XNUMX 月下旬才产生影响呢? 你考虑清楚了吗?

    这些都不能证明什么,但似乎 *异常* 任何合理的观察者都怀疑。

    如果你只有一把锤子,那么是的,一切看起来都像钉子。 但对于这样一个可疑的家伙,你似乎对一个实验室在一个新型蝙蝠冠状病毒出现的城市对蝙蝠冠状病毒进行功能获得研究漠不关心。

    同时,你注意到伊朗与中国有重要的商业和工业关系。 但世界上几乎所有国家都是如此。 例如,据广泛报道,目前有 XNUMX 万中国人在非洲工作,但那里没有任何早期爆发。

    宗教聚会和神社接吻。 文化习俗。 它也是一种冬季病毒。 盲目的运气。 任何数量的原因。 但是,如果伊朗是故意以生物武器为目标,那么您无法解释两个月的延迟。

    有超过 5 万华裔美国人,其中很大一部分是在中国出生并与该国保持密切联系,他们是我们自己疫情爆发的重要早期载体,但这些都发生在伊朗爆发之后很久。

    你错了。 由于您之前引用了维基百科作为来源,我也会这样做:

    “6 月 19 日,美国最早确诊的 COVID-57 死亡病例(一名 21 岁女性)发生在加利福尼亚州圣克拉拉县。 CDC 直到 18 月 19 日才报告其确认情况,[51] 届时圣克拉拉县发生了另外 52 例 COVID-25 死亡事件。 [53] 至少从 54 月初开始,可能早在 55 月,该病毒就一直在未被发现的情况下传播。 [56] 57 月 XNUMX 日,CDC 首次警告美国公众为当地爆发做好准备。 [XNUMX][XNUMX] 第二天,纽约市的“零号病人”、曼哈顿律师劳伦斯·加布兹(Lawrence Garbuz)感到恶心,然后被认为是第一个社区获得性病例。 [XNUMX] [XNUMX] [XNUMX]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States

    • 同意: Triteleia Laxa, Incitatus
    • 巨魔: d dan
    • 回复: @thotmonger
    , @Ron Unz
  272. @chrimony

    So how did the evil Chinese communists manage to infect 63 residents and 19 staff members at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, VA in June and July of 2019?

    • 回复: @GomezAdddams
  273. One-off 说:

    但是六年来,我们的网站一直在发布各种关于各种不同主题的极具争议性的文章,而且我们在 Facebook 或 Google 上从未遇到过任何问题。

    然后在 2020 年 XNUMX 月下旬,我发表了我的第一篇长篇文章,列出了大量证据表明全球 Covid 爆发可能是由于美国对中国(和伊朗)的生物战袭击造成的,并且该文章在早期获得了非常高的流量,更多的 Facebook前几天的喜欢比我以前发布的任何东西都多。

    但是在它运行大约十天后,我们的网站突然被 Facebook 禁止了。 几天后,我们的整个网站都被谷歌降级了,所以我们所有的网页都会出现在谷歌搜索的最底部附近,几乎没人能看到它们。 这些行动的巧合时间似乎非常可疑。

    我仍然认为意外的实验室泄漏是更有可能的解释,尽管您的理论是合理的。 不过,我在这里摘录的是最重要的方面。

    为什么要对这件特定的作品感到恐慌?

    我不知道你是否同意,这真的没有关系,但社交媒体网络是情报部门的宣传机构。 无论出于何种原因,您的理论都让 IC 感到不安。 我的直觉是美国情报部门正在与中国密切合作开发生物武器。 当然,它被遗忘了,并且可能是错误的,但早期的报道是中国人已经开发出一种针对白人的特定种族的生物武器。 鉴于美国政府目前的种族灭绝倾向,这种直接针对白人的生物武器是否有可能由美国情报机构资助用于对付这里的土著居民? 不要打折。 这些武器也可能是针对绝大多数白人的俄罗斯人,但考虑到中国与普京的关系,这似乎是不可信的。 除此之外,有多少人甚至意识到美国政府正在向中国实验室注入资金,以试验病毒并使其更具杀伤力? 在哪个世界通过任何气味测试?

    一个更良性的解释是,美国在生物实验和病毒泄露方面与中国进行了极其危险的行为。 如果是这样的话,这两个国家都没有太大的动机来讨论实际起源。

    我同意你的看法,福奇的电子邮件本身就是麦高芬,但不同意他对武汉实验室的迂回资助简直令人叹为观止。

    而且,当然,您可能百分百正确。 最近的事件肯定会支持你的观点,其中最重要的是新保守派/犹太复国主义的军刀对中国和普京的 180 人发出嘎嘎声,因为他们意识到俄中联盟将在几周内击败并摧毁他们的大本营。 也有迹象表明,犹太复国主义的金融利益正变得害怕他们即将被中国人活生生地吞噬,中国人拒绝让他们腐败和金融化他们的经济。 看来中国人,在较小程度上是韩国人,已经超过犹太人成为洛杉矶房地产市场的最大参与者,现在正在进入金融领域。 再次强调,不要忽视财务动机。

    如果我们确定病毒首次出现的日期,将有助于了解实际发生的情况。 你的理论将取决于病毒的传播是否早于军事比赛。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  274. @Ron Unz

    There’s always a serious risk of false-positives in those sorts of tests

    ...

    So almost 95% of the cases initially found turned out to be false-positives.

    That’s what conspiracy theorists have been saying about the whole pandemic, you silly billy!

  275. Stonehands 说:
    @gotmituns

    确切地。 但这并没有在这个大头针的网站上获得点击率和智力上的吸引力。

  276. anonym25 说:
    @Hughes

    The IRGC participated at the Wuhan Military Games. This is where they got the virus.

    • 回复: @Hughes
  277. obwandiyag 说:
    @Realist

    什么是 is a “logical fallacy”?

    你在说什么?

    You apparently don’t understand diction or syntax, because you totally misread my post.

    Moreover, I make a qualitative judgment and you call it a fallacy. Qualitative judgments are neither fallacious nor non-fallacious. They are qualitative judgments.

    How could the fact that argument from consensus has lost allure be a fallacy? Maybe you disagree, and find argument from consensus still plenty alluring enough fer you. Fine. You disagree. But it’s just a statement.

    Try this on fer size: You’re a moron. That statement might be false, or it might be true. But it is neither fallacious nor non-fallacious. Fallacy doesn’t come into it.

    Oh, I give up. You’re just a dumb troll scoring little pointies (you think), and you’ll never learn to read. You lunkhead.

    • 回复: @Realist
  278. Anonymous[108]• 免责声明 说:
    @Digital Samizdat

    也许是因为它是原型? 对于新开发的/高度不可预测的传染病来说,拥有高死亡率远比开始时相对可以忽略不计更有意义——通过保持较低的死亡率,病毒可以在没有潜在灾难性后果的情况下进行实时试验。

    死亡率可以稍后调整。

  279. cranc 说:
    @Ron Unz

    因此,低致死率病毒是“理想的经济武器”的想法来自匿名博客下方的匿名评论。 这在我的书中不太可信。
    应用这一想法的一个问题是,Covid 甚至没有让许多它感染的人住院,更不用说杀死他们了,所以即使“老微生物学家”的这个基本概念在生物战领域有一定的地位,SarsCov2 是一个非常糟糕的例子。 Covid 也很容易治疗,这是反对以这种方式使用它的另一个论据。 英国斥巨资建造了几家“南丁格尔医院”,拥有数千张急诊床位,为预计需要急诊护理的人群做好准备。 波浪从未发生过,而且这些加床完全没有(零)是必要的。 正是这样的事实,当被这种叙述忽视和压制时,似乎自相矛盾。 Covid 本身的经济影响接近于零,所有影响都来自封锁,这是世界各国政府前所未有且不必要的政策。
    当我们想象肇事者在他们的计划中取得一定程度的成功时,这篇文章中的理论可能会出现另一个问题。 想象一下,他们选择了一种武器化病毒 确实做到了 很大一部分感染者住院治疗,此外,它威胁到许多工作年龄的人的生命,而不是那些接近生命尽头的人的生命。 想象一下,肇事者以某种方式采取了一些措施来试图遏制在中国(他们的目标和对手)的传播,而不是让它到达美国,然后毫无意义地大肆宣传对国家的危险.
    在这种情况下,中国经济陷入动荡,国家不稳定,中国沿海城市的伟大生产机器停止运转,人民币暴跌。 美国停止从中国进口。 这将如何影响美国作为一个国家?
    基本上,北美日常使用的几乎所有东西都是在中国制造的,因此人们会认为供应链会崩溃,并且人们会认为这种情况会导致美国的社会、经济和政治危机。 这会是“经济攻击”的理想结果吗?
    ..
    我认为总体而言,这一论点建立在错误的前提之上:美国深层国家政治中仍然存在一种民族主义驱动力(例如在“特朗普对中国的政策”中); 为了应对这种特定病毒的传播,关闭经济是不可避免且必要的。 我不认为两者都是真的,或者你甚至真的试图证明它们是真的。

  280. d dan 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “The American blood samples seem to show that a half-dozen Americans might have become infected by the end of December”

    I really resist jumping in this thread to avoid unnecessarily occupying the overclouded bandwidth, but this is a glaring misinterpretation. The test shows about 9 people out of 24,000 were infected. If the sample is truly random, and there is no reason to believe it is not, then we are talking about over 100,000 infected in the entire country by December. If they all came from Wuhan, then China should probably have millions infected by then. Separately, there was another sample of 7,000 that CDC collected from Red Cross (i.e. people who thought they were healthy enough to donate blood – so that was likely under-sampling of infected), and they similarly found a few infected. Furthermore, some of the infected did not travel nor stay near travel hub.

    This of course is still tentative, but it is better to be open minded instead of wasting your energy attacking the possibility of Fort Detrick leak (what about a truce?) The leak is consistent with your bio-attack theory. It may make the story more complicated (e.g. multiple variants, different infection rate, etc), but the world is complicated (despite that silly Occam Razor for the intellectually lazy and stupid people).

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  281. ziggurat 说:
    @Chris Moore

    The virus did spread very wide, very fast.

    Iran is the 30th country to have its first case of COVID, with many preceding countries more distant from China than Iran.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territory#Timeline_of_first_confirmed_case_by_country

  282. @Sean

    Sean as usual your racist, Sinophobic and Orientalist bigotry and pig ignorance disqualify you from making any comments regarding China. China is considerably less ‘totalitarian’ than the capitalist oligarchies of the West, the USA in particular.

    • 同意: acementhead
    • 回复: @Sean
  283. @utu

    Bit by bit you reveal yourself, troll. BigPharma arse-kisser, Russophobe etc.

  284. @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree, your dreadful atheistic name gives you away! The ChiComms lie, tear organs from Fa Lun Gong devotees while still alive, steal IP from their Western betters because their tiny Asiatic brains cannot innovate, eat Uighur babies for breakfast and have NO RESPECT for their Western superiors. Seres delenda est!!

  285. thotmonger 说:
    @anon

    Thai intelligence? That is a keeper. More likely Chinese intelligence leaked by way of Thailand.

  286. thotmonger 说:
    @chrimony

    去年我记得 Unz 说 Unz Review 上大约 80% 的作者是 ~bananas。 我想他包括迈克·惠特尼(Mike Whitney)在内,很惊讶他同意接受这次采访。

    为什么不与韦德戴维斯讨论,因为他是真正的开拓者。 从那里开始。

    伊朗政府对他们的情报机构发动生物战袭击的指控在哪里? 他们不应该向联合国提出某种投诉吗?

    负责 Unz 故事的记者团队在哪里? 签署请愿书的公共卫生专业人员团队在哪里表达对本论文的关注并要求提供更多信息? 除了更多的证据外,UNZ 现在应该激发的支持联盟在哪里?

    这种孤立的泡沫让我感到困惑。

    最后,这一切如何适应全球关闭过度反应、未经测试的大规模疫苗以及要求为死亡率约为 0.5% 的细菌提供疫苗护照的情况? Unz 对 MSM 审查 Unz 评论感到遗憾,但所有医生和其他异议人士呢? 所有的行业、教堂和旅行都关闭了,等等。那是不小的影响。 这些人今天感觉如何。 哈。 = 正在发生其他事情。 这也需要讨论。 还是我错了?

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  287. @Harold Smith

    Now that is one for the books !! This reminds me of the time Dallas Diamond Page was going to wrestle Kamala but they could not find a referee who could count to 3.

  288. @Iris

    They remotely funded a valuable Health research

    Can you tell us what exactly that “valuable” “Health” research contributed for prevention and later curtailment of the present pandemic? To be fair, tell us also the role of other labs doing dangerous research all around the world to that same effect.

    China has one of the least effective Covid-19 vaccines of the planet (CoronaVac, from Sinovac). Can you tell me the role of the Wuhan lab or of virus collecting and/or gain-of-function in general in the development of that or any other vaccine? To be fair, tell us also the role of other labs doing dangerous research all around the world in the development of existing vaccines.

    • 同意: Sean
    • 回复: @Iris
  289. @anon

    Yes, whether you believe their Ministry of Health, who investigated it, or hyperbolic propaganda from their lower rent TV stations, who did not.

  290. @utu

    I guess (referring to this and your other reply) there’s nothing wrong in a healthy suspiciousness. But Deigin has invited peer review (on twitter), and so far he hasn’t had any offers.

    • 回复: @Sean
  291. @thotmonger

    They are denied access to this information by the Jews running Google. Duh. You and I are lucky to have found this site before the crackdown.

  292. Hughes 说:
    @anonym25

    1. They still go through Tehran. That an outbreak would happen first in Qom instead of Tehran is impossible with the natural infection scenario.
    2. The outbreak case would then start first within and involves the Iranian military instead of seemingly targeted their senior government officials and politicians in Qom.

    • 同意: Iris
  293. Sean 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Covid BioWeapon:美国制造,瞄准中国

    So Americans used a coronavirus on China five years after an American scientist had caused international uproar by showing the Chinese how to make new coronaviruses.

    “为了在实验室进行研究,科学家们创造了一种病毒的混合版本,这种病毒可能成为世界下一次大流行——SARS 2.0,”Vice 杂志(2016 年)

    The Bomb was dropped on Hiroshima (then they tested a different design on Nagasaki) because Japan could not retaliate in kind. Please do not insult my intelligence by suggesting that the CIA was not aware of Shi Zhengl ‘s work.

  294. @Sean

    the evidence of some sort of lab leak–if it ever existed–has been destroyed by now anyway

    In what regards SARS-CoV-2, the evidence may or may not have been destroyed, but here’s evidence of:

    (1) the existence of some specific dangerous viruses in the WIV and other laboratories in Wuhan and Fuzhou;
    (2) the occurrence of biosafety protocol breaches in those places.

    Unexpected novel Merbecovirus discoveries in agricultural sequencing datasets from Wuhan, China
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.01533

    • 同意: Sean
    • 回复: @utu
  295. Iva 说:

    “我们的疾控中心搞砸了检测试剂盒的生产,所以好几个星期以来,我们无法知道病毒是否开始在这里传播。” ………….. 2017 年和 2018 年在世界各地销售和分发了数百万个 PCR 测试的文件,名称为 Covid-19 测试,用于 shioping 文件。 我们此时没有听说过病毒。

  296. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Thanks for clarifying the role of Wade.

  297. Ron Unz 说:
    @One-off

    如果我们确定病毒首次出现的日期,将有助于了解实际发生的情况。 你的理论将取决于病毒的传播是否早于军事比赛。

    标准的 MSM 叙述是武汉爆发始于 XNUMX 月下旬/ XNUMX 月初,这与作为传播媒介的世界军运会完美契合。

    谷歌倾向于呈现“标准叙述”,如果你用谷歌搜索诸如“武汉首例新冠肺炎病例”之类的内容,首先会讨论这篇 Pekar 期刊文章,其副标题是:“研究日期最早出现在 2019 年 XNUMX 月; 模拟表明,在大多数情况下,人畜共患病病毒在引起大流行之前自然死亡。” 结果总结如下:

    “通过结合这些不同的证据,我们能够确定 2019 年 2 月中旬 SARS-CoV-19 开始在湖北省传播的上限……地区性报纸报道表明,湖北的 COVID-17 诊断至少可以追溯到2019 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日。”

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    所以我认为专家的“传统智慧”是零号病人是在XNUMX月底/XNUMX月初感染的。

    • 谢谢: One-off
    • 回复: @emersonreturn
  298. Skeptikal 说:
    @gatobart

    It is an interesting formulation, one that I myself have used.

    There are versions in some other languages.

    I use it when I want to bring a piece of info or a viewpoing that doesn’t lead directly from what went before, or perhaps might seem to some like a non sequitur, yet I think it has relevance. But don’t want to get into a fight.

    I think it is partly a hedge against the high level of hostility and confrontational language that many commenter gunslingers bring to the OK Corral—I mean, comment threads.

  299. Skeptikal 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “fools like 一世”?

    Oh, no! Now you really do sound like a fool!

    • 回复: @RobinG
  300. Ron Unz 说:
    @d dan

    I really resist jumping in this thread to avoid unnecessarily occupying the overclouded bandwidth, but this is a glaring misinterpretation. The test shows about 9 people out of 24,000 were infected. If the sample is truly random, and there is no reason to believe it is not, then we are talking about over 100,000 infected in the entire country by December.

    You’re missing the point. As the MSM articles indicate, some experts dispute those results, doubting that the 9 detected cases were real rather than also being false-positives. After all, if using a second antibody test revealed that 95% of the initial results were false-positives, maybe a third test would reduce that total by another 95% and a fourth by an additional 95%. There’s no way of knowing. So maybe there were infections that early and maybe there weren’t, and perhaps the correct number was much lower.

    My point was merely that obtaining such a huge fraction of known false-positives obviously explains those anomalous very early results in Barcelona and other parts of Europe, since it appears the studies didn’t bother employing a second antibody screening test.

    • 同意: Sean
    • 回复: @GomezAdddams
  301. Who needs a bio-weapon when changing a few words in the WHO’s definition of “pandemic” and “herd immunity” will have the desired effect?

    If you asked most people to define what a pandemic is. They would probably tell you that it is disease which kills enormous numbers of people around the world. I would have said the same thing myself but we would be wrong. In recent years, WHO changed the definition of pandemic, serology and herd immunity which made our present state of emergency a near certainty.

    According to WHO, prior to 2009, a pandemic would involve enormous numbers of deaths. In the public mind, such a pandemic, with enormous numbers of deaths, would justify the government declaring a state of emergency requiring lock-downs,masks, social distancing, etc, and possibly, even promoting a trial vaccine if the number of fatalities were enormous. Not so anymore. Now a virulent flu can be called a pandemic. And herd immunity ain’t what it used to be either. Now the WHO definition of herd immunity is grotesquely skewed towards vaccination. Who would have guessed?

    When is a pandemic not a pandemic?
    Since 2003, the top of the WHO Pandemic Preparedness homepage has contained the following statement: “An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity, resulting in several simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness.”

    However, on 4May 2009, scarcely one month before the H1N1 pandemic was declared, the web page was altered in response to a query from a CNN reporter. The phrase “enormous numbers of deaths and illness” had been removed and the revised web page simply read as follows: “An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity.” Months later, the Council of Europe would cite this alteration as evidence that WHO changed its definition of pandemic influenza to en-able it to declare a pandemic without having to demonstrate the intensity of the disease caused by the H1N1 virus.
    来源: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/7/11-086173.pdf

    [更多]

    9June2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology.
    Definition of Herd Immunity:
    Herd immunity is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. This means that even people who haven’t been infected, or in whom an infection hasn’t triggered an immune response, they are protected because people around them who are immune can act as buffers between them and an infected person. The threshold for establishing herd immunity for COVID-19 is not yet clear.
    来源: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    13Nov2020 WHO website, Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Serology, antibodies and immunity.
    Definition of Herd Immunity:
    ‘Herd immunity’, also known as ‘population immunity’, is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached.

    Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it. Read the Director-General’s 12 October media briefing speech for more detail.

    Vaccines train our immune systems to develop antibodies, just as might happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick. Vaccinated people are protected from getting the disease in question. Visit our webpage on COVID-19 and vaccines for more detail.

    As more people in a community get vaccinated, fewer people remain vulnerable, and there is less possibility for passing the pathogen on from person to person. Lowering the possibility for a pathogen to circulate in the community protects those who cannot be vaccinated due to other serious health conditions from the disease targeted by the vaccine. This is called ‘herd immunity’.

    ‘Herd immunity’ exists when a high percentage of the population is vaccinated, making it difficult for infectious diseases to spread, because there are not many people who can be infected. Read our Q&A on vaccines and immunization for more information.

    The percentage of people who need to have antibodies in order to achieve herd immunity against a particular disease varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%.

    Achieving herd immunity with safe and effective vaccines makes diseases rarer and saves lives.

    Find out more about the science behind herd immunity by reading our dedicated Q&A or watching or reading this interview with WHO’s Chief Scientist, Dr Soumya Swaminathan.
    来源: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-serology

    These are topics which should have been discussed openly if we had an independent media and a government which did not take its instructions from WHO, the UN et al. Without the “pandemic” and the government and media collusion, could a state of emergency ever have been declared?

    • 回复: @John Fisher
    , @acementhead
  302. @Ron Unz

    French biosecurity expert who supervised the construction and accreditation of the biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) laboratory of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) has dismissed the theory that COVID-19 escaped from the lab.

    法国专家加布里埃尔·格拉斯(Gabriel Gras)将 BSL-4 实验室泄漏的可能性设为“零”,并且“该实验室的标准很高。 验证这一点是他的工作,由于他拥有安全(顾问)、实验室设计师和病毒学科学家的背景,Gras 100% 参与其中,”强调他对实验室的安全性“毫无疑问”。

    根据该报告,格拉斯也毫不怀疑该病毒是天然的。“我百分百确定它不是在实验室中构建和开发的,”他说。

    The virology researcher pointed out that the discussion about the pandemic’s origin had become politicized. “For me this is (no longer) a scientific issue.”

    Now let science take its proper course Sherlock —I am simply a London medic residing on Baker Street”—John Watson”

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Sean
    , @Ron Unz
    , @Bombercommand
  303. Iris 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    您能否告诉我们,这项“有价值的”“健康”研究究竟对预防和后来遏制当前的大流行有何贡献?

    我相信你受过足够的教育 已经知道 the answer, and it is irrelevant to the trolling disguised as moral posturing practised by “chrimony”, “Sean”, and the other obvious professional trolls.

    功能获得于 2011 年首次在荷兰正式实施,此后很可能每个拥有足够实验室设施的国家都在实践。
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/336/6088/1534

    所以 ”Virgin-horrified-by-China’s-GOF-research” posture practiced by some is both uninformed and out-of-date; they are lagging by 10 years.

    除了获得生物武器的其他秘密和刑事申请外,还有一个明显的 积极的医学方面 到GOF,得到医疗专业人士的认可。 它使病毒学家能够领先于病毒,因为他们可以绘制出它们未来可能发生的突变并提前准备公共卫生政策保护措施。

    尽管没有试图达成共识,但对于多位演讲者的反复声称,即在短期内,GoF 研究有助于使病毒适应培养中的生长,以及为新兴病原体开发必要的动物模型,如中东东呼吸综合征冠状病毒 (MERS-CoV) 和逃避突变以了解免疫系统的耐药性和病毒逃避

    Page 30 “4 Potential Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research.” Institute of Medicine and National Research Council. 2015. Potential Risks and Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research: Summary of a Workshop. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. doi: 10.17226/21666.×
    https://www.nap.edu/read/21666/chapter/5

    这是一个意见问题,但同样可以肯定的是,道德姿态与那些显然是 妥协 必须做出决定,权衡利弊。

    核能不好吗? 是的,对于那些只对开发 WMD 感兴趣但不擅长管理核废料的人(例如美国)。 不,对于那些能够提供清洁、无碳能源并拥有无可挑剔和经过验证的安全记录的人(法国)。
    然而,我总是遇到反对核能和碳排放的幼稚道德童贞,但仍然希望他们的房屋全年都能以低廉的价格获得照明和供暖,而不会加剧全球变暖。 那么,在 现实生活, 天下没有免费的午餐。

    The same principle applies to GOF. It is easy enough to figure out why some would have wanted to develop epidemiological models in advance , considering the catastrophic s**t the world found itself in since Covid19 struck.

    • 不同意: Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @Mevashir
    , @thotmonger
    , @Anonymous
  304. @TKK

    Hmmm. Good points, all.

    All the fawning and cooing by the assembled women….Jesus Christ what a sad embarrassment.

    So he can’t imagine why anyone would oppose a commission that would investigate what he laughably calls the greatest assault on the American capitol since the Civil War…..

    There’s no hope of living with these people. The extent to which they will spin false narratives shows that they have nothing but contempt for reality and a truthful depiction of it. Imagine being on a trip with this person, one on one. How would you plan the day’s agenda, set reasonable goals or even agree on what you had done the day before? I would bet that you would abandon them in short order, after realizing that traveling with them was literally an insane-making experience.

    Could you imagine being cooped up on a life raft with an idiot like this? Where you had to agree on how much stores you had, how long your water would last if consumed at such and such a rate? What direction is north? Which direction you would need to proceed to most likely reach safety?

    Pretty sure I would toss him overboard and go it alone. Loneliness is preferable to being tied to an insane, willful cripple. Won’t be long before America is engaged in an all-0ut battle to see who shall succeed in throwing whom overboard.

    You can tell who is in the right by who simply wants to be left alone to go their own way. Whereas the Right simply wants to be left alone, the Left desperately clings to them like a person who can’t swim dragging down a person who can. The Left won’t let us go. Mention secession and they look horror stricken, literally not believing that anyone would raise such a prospect. Their response to the Right’s wanting to put some space between them and the Left is to invent false allegations and imprison the Right. They can’t bear the thought of rejection–or of having to go it alone, of having to develop competence and effectiveness–those traits which differentiate an adult from a child.

  305. 埃利克·克莱普顿(Eric Clapton) 在这 25 分钟的 YT (06/14/21) 中,坦率地分享了他对过去一年 Covid 封锁的感受:

    He talks about the flip-flops in policies and actions of British political and public health officials throughout the the entire pandemic that frequently set off his “bullshit radar”, and:

    - 在大流行期间,他的公开声明被攻击/标记为特朗普的支持者(在英格兰境内?!),他是如何感到惊讶的。

    - 谈到自己接受阿斯利康刺突蛋白编码DNA-腺载体型实验性基因治疗疫苗剂后的可怕症状。

    It’s YT, so the video may not be up for long….

    • 谢谢: gay troll
    • 回复: @Robert Dolan
    , @Stonehands
  306. Sean 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    在印度(那加兰邦)等许多国家都有蝙蝠捕捞活动,但没有与当前大流行相媲美的人畜共患病爆发。 在 19 月的那加兰邦节日期间,蝙蝠收获包括猎杀蝙蝠以获取肉,因为人们认为这可以提高男性的性能力。 在埃博拉、非典和中东呼吸综合征爆发后,美国 DTRA 资助了许多关于蝙蝠的此类研究。 我认为很可能是这些蝙蝠的烦恼和功能炫耀导致了 Covid-2017 的流行。 2019 年,在那加兰邦有一个印度主导但国际化的项目。 石正丽在 Nagaland 发表了据称是“观察性”研究,她的论文于 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月由科学期刊 PLOS Neglected Tropical Diseases 发表。 现在有一项对印度研究结束的未解决调查,因为似乎有人担心可能使用了功能增益。 我认为实验室安全是主要问题。

    考虑到相关性,武汉实验室对蝙蝠冠状病毒的简单控制失败始终是对全球大流行起源的最可能解释,只有高度聪明的过度思考者才能避免将其视为最重要的原因。 增加人与人之间可传播性的功能增益不太确定,但仍然不太可能。 武汉病毒研究所对病原体控制的坚持不足并不奇怪,因为自豪地获悉石正丽最新发现的中国蝙蝠冠状病毒的美国外交官让美国团队在BSL4实验室之前和之后多次访问武汉研究所它由法国亿万富翁商人阿兰·梅里埃根据一项联合运营协议建造,中国人在建立实验室后立即返回。 那里的工人在 2018 年告诉美国专家,武汉 BSL4 设施缺乏足够的合格人员来按照规定的安全标准进行操作。

    • 同意: Dnought, One-off
    • 谢谢: Brás Cubas
    • 巨魔: d dan
  307. utu 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    The stated message from Deigin (corresponding author) article is that there must have been occurrences of biosafety protocol breaches in Chinese labs because sequenced genotypes are messed up and the unstated one is that Chinese are really sloppy and dumb when sequencing genomes because they classified fragments of human viruses as plant viruses and then on top of it stupidly published them in the database. Really, really dumb.

    I would like to see somebody else going through the same database. And also I would like to see applying the same level of scrutiny to sequencing results submitted to databases by other labs from other countries to get some idea how unusual are their findings.

    Yuri Deigin seems to be a very sharp guy but a bit too sharp for my taste. Check the website of his company:

    http://youthereum.ca

    Is there anything behind the front of the website? They conducted or rather outsourced to somewhere in Russia his idea for two experiments (cost \$15 000 USD) which yielded negative results. There is no other activity reported.

    My limited knowledge of the “aging research” (including cryonics) tells me that it is more a spiel than research. It is peopled with personalities who are a combination of visionaries, fantastists and hucksters in a constant search for funding and suckers who would give them money.

    I have this suspicion that this sharp and ambitious man wants to make a name for himself, wants to get attacked to something bigger and more profitable than what he was engaging in so far.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  308. I think the thing missing from this article and most others is the really important fact that the bioweapons development at Ft. Detrick has gradually been replaced over the years by bioweapons development in universities and private labs like EcoHealth Alliance. This is the great legacy of Fauci. He has made the NIH the center of the US bioweapons research programs.

    In 1972 most nations of the world signed an agreement absolutely banning bioweapons. At that time, the research in bioweapons at Ft. Detrick was massive — and suddenly illegal and an embarrassment to the US. As Ron Unz and Glen Greenwald have reminded, the Anthrax bioweapons case in 2001 proved that in 2001 Ft. Detrick was still developing bioweapons. But the process of moving all of this research into universities and private labs was well under way.

    Gain of Function research is essentially bioweapons research. You can’t combat a pathogen of natural origins by creating some “Franken-virus” that could never evolve naturally. SARS Cov 2 cannot have evolved naturally. It is a pure product of genetic engineering.

    The interview with Peter Daszak and Virology Today shows Daszak describing the creation of a virus very much like SARS Cov 2. This was Dec. 2019 before anyone knew about SARS Cov 2. He notes pieces came from Wuhan (the spike protein) and other parts from other viruses. They were all assembled by Ralph Baric’s group at the Univ. of North Carolina. All was funded by Fauci and the NIH.

    EcoHealth Alliance is a private bio-research corporation now doing a very large part of the work that used to be done at Ft. Detrick. It operates about 50 labs in 30 nations around the world. Its funding comes from three main sources: the NIH, USAID (a CIA front), and the Pentagon. It is not about health. It is about bioweapons.

  309. @Articus1978

    Who needs a bio-weapon when changing a few words in the WHO’s definition of “pandemic” and “herd immunity” will have the desired effect?

    Indeed. This is merely one of the many telltale signs of an elaborately planned operation.

    As long as the debate is about a “virus” it reinforces a false reality and keeps things moving toward “the desired effect” as you say.

    The “virus” is a unicorn. People might as well debate the origin and features and movements of unicorns, and pat themselves on the back for being so perceptive.

    • 同意: Skeptikal
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  310. Mevashir 说:
    @Iris

    核能不好吗? 是的,对于那些只对开发 WMD 感兴趣但不擅长管理核废料的人(例如美国)。 不,对于那些能够提供清洁、无碳能源并拥有无可挑剔和经过验证的安全记录的人(法国)。

    I have read that France, like England, has dumped an enormous amount of radioactive waste in insecure barrels into the English Channel and other places along the French coastline. Do you consider that a good example of nuclear waste management?

    • 回复: @Iris
  311. utu 说:
    @Sean

    “Baric is disqualified from expressing a opinion given his conflict of interest ” – But his challenge to Steven Quay methodology was correct.

    • 回复: @Sean
  312. Iris 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    根据该报告,格拉斯也毫不怀疑该病毒是天然的。“我百分百确定它不是在实验室中构建和开发的,”他说。

    It must be mentioned that this also the opinion expressed by lead British virologist Pr Wendy Barclay, in an official and constraining context, since she said so when being quizzed by the Parliamentarian science committee.

    She declared that, while she couldn’t rule out the possibility of the coronavirus leaking out of a science lab in Wuhan, the accepted idea that the virus spread to humans in an animal market was “much more likely”.

    ‘I’ll say with high confidence it came from an animal source. That’s my answer – high confidence it came from an animal.’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9693345/Coronavirus-UKs-SAGE-virologist-says-exclude-possibility-Wuhan-lab-leak-theory.html

    Of course, it does mean this is her true opinion, but may just reflect the multi-orientation of the politics going on in the UK, who may have found it it needs China more than initially thought for its post-Brexit development.

    • 哈哈: Sean
    • 回复: @utu
  313. Sean 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    French expert, Gabriel Gras, put the chance of a leak from the BSL-4 laboratory at “zero percent” and “The lab is of a high standard. It was his work to verify this, and as he had the background of safety (consultant), lab designer, and virology scientist, Gras was 100 percent involved,” stressing that he had “no doubt” about the safety of the lab.

    I am sure the lab was top notch, nevertheless it was constructed for the Chinese by a French businessman on the understanding that there would be joint operation. But the Chinese kicked the French out in 2018, and so he has no way of knowing whether the lab was being appropriately operated. A report from US experts said the actual technicians employed thought they lacked the trained staff to use the facility properly.

    According to the report, Gras also had little doubt that the virus is natural. ”I am 100 percent sure it is not constructed, developed in a lab,” he said

    “Constructed” is a straw man argument. While a border collie sheepdog is natural inasmuch it is descended from wolves, they are very different in their abilities and proclivities nevertheless. What is being wondered about is whether the Wuhan institute used a natural evolution mimicking technique called serial passage. By cycles of infection and selection of the desired characteristic of infection in lab animals and cell cultures an innocuous natural bat coronavirus can be turned from a poodle to a pitbull. If they used humanised mice (which were used by Baric in a study that Wuhan people participated in) or human cell cultures, the bat coronavirus could have been made highly human-human transmissible. That transmissibility between humans is the most suspicious thing about Covid -19 is perhaps a matter of opinion that experts can differ on. However there is no gainsaying the propinquity of the Bat Lady’s institute with the original outbreak of a bat coronavirus global pandemic.

  314. @utu

    I would like to see somebody else going through the same database. And also I would like to see applying the same level of scrutiny to sequencing results submitted to databases by other labs from other countries to get some idea how unusual are their findings.

    So would I. And so would Yuri Deigin. Apparently no one has volunteered.

    Is there anything behind the front of the website?

    You may be right to be suspicious, as I keep saying. As for myself, perhaps I am exceedingly naïve, because, even if everything you say about Deigin, his company, his motives, etc., is correct, I still don’t see him as mendacious or dishonest in any way.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  315. Iris 说:
    @Mevashir

    I have read that France, like England, has dumped an enormous amount of radioactive waste in insecure barrels into the English Channel

    That was a German contention, dating back 1997. The militant German “Greens” making such contention have had 24 years to prove it true, but haven’t provided any evidence since, so their claims can fairly be ignored.

    The facts that should not be ignored however, is that Japan is preparing to dump 1.2 million tons of radioactive wastewater from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant into the North Pacific.

    This action has far reaching-implications and should at least be carried with the utmost transparency. But since Japan is a US client-state protected by its boss, nobody pips a word about this fact, while everybody is barking at the hypothetical WIV lab link.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-danger-of-japan-dumping-fukushima-wastewater-into-the-ocean/ar-BB1fKZNB

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  316. utu 说:
    @Iris

    I hope we will see a counteroffensive from the main stream science lead by legitimate scientists against the Nicholas Wade narrative based on writings of some blogger Yuri Deigin and back of envelope calculations by some cardiologist Steven Quay.

  317. Sean 说:
    @utu

    Baric taught the Wuhan people the techniques he says were not used on the Covid -19 pathogen, yet Baric says only the Wuhan institute know whether Covid-19 escaped from their lab. Because it could be a natural virus that escaped, which is the question no one is asking because the answer would be the propinquity is too tight for anything else to be prime suspect. It is a matter of common sense.

  318. utu 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    “I still don’t see him as mendacious or dishonest in any way.” – Yes, but the motivations matter because they lower confirmation bias threshold level and the fact that he seems to be an untethered floater career wise his motivation are amplified.

  319. The Ogs 说:

    The witlessness of the people is always amazing to me. Here we have the Americans funneling a steady stream of taxpayer money into a string of bio-weapons research laboratories, and the string is long.
    There are dozens of these laboratories all around the planet absorbing American tax money.
    Now, a typical reasonable taxpayer might wonder what they have been doing to germs in these labs for the last 40 or 50 years? And conclude that if any strange germs come along in the future, at least we’ll have experts. And not just any kind; American experts.
    Flash forward to today – and strange germs are on the loose! Quick, where are our experts?
    They don’t know nuttin’… “No. It’s baffling. No, we didn’t send it to China with that phony athletic team. Never happened.”
    And so the taxpayers, thus primed to be world-experts in the subtle arts of depopulation by toxic pathogen, are sadly disappointed once again.

    • 回复: @Mevashir
  320. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    你的大部分观点都支持人工病毒理论,我完全赞同。 但这要么意味着随机的、意外的实验室泄漏,要么是蓄意的生物战攻击,我认为证据强烈支持后者。

    I checked, and although my numerous Covid articles from the last 14 months had together attracted around 10,000 comments, not a single one of those came from you, so it’s possible that you haven’t bothered reading them. If not, you really should, because they directly addressed many of the issues you’re currently raising, and it’s pointless for me to just repeat my arguments in this thread. Here’s the link to the four main articles, and you might want to focus on the more recent ones:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    这篇迈克·惠特尼的采访文章只是让我随便总结了我之前关于这个主题的数万字,你的批评应该集中在那些作品上。

    • 同意: Robert Dolan
    • 回复: @chrimony
  321. Skeptikal 说:
    @utu

    All you say looks likely except you don’t account for the pathetic response in the West being characterized also by withholding treatment and suppressing info about treatment and even punishing *doctors* who were successfully treating their patients.

    that is, physicians who knew that their task was to draw on their knowledge in the service of their patients to come up with combinations of medications that dealt with the multiple presentations of the covid-19 disease syndrome/suite. The Hippocratic Oath, that old-fashioned notion.

    As for bodies piling up, AFAIK no bodies piling up in Africa . . .

  322. Ron Unz 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    You may be right to be suspicious, as I keep saying. As for myself, perhaps I am exceedingly naïve, because, even if everything you say about Deigin, his company, his motives, etc., is correct, I still don’t see him as mendacious or dishonest in any way.

    Since I didn’t have the expertise in microbiology to evaluate the contents of Deigin’s work, the suspicions I raised were far more generic:

    Or take the other main scientific source, an individual named Yuri Deigin, previously almost unknown to the world except through his occasional blogging in the unrelated field of gerontology. On April 22nd, just one week after Trump, Pompeo, and other top officials began making their dramatic charges, Deigin released a massive 16,000 word article on 中等, containing an ocean of colorful and very professionally-produced diagrams, charts, and graphs, making exactly the same case, but doing so in tremendous scientific detail. No other authors were listed, so we are required to assume that a single, independently-minded individual decided to put aside all his regular work and undertake such heroic efforts to investigate, write, and produce this enormous research report simply out of his disinterested concern regarding the true origins of the Covid-19 outbreak, which had only just become an important issue for Americans the previous month.

    确实可能正是发生的事情,但我对此表示怀疑。 我很仔细地阅读了整个Deigin文档,发现它比那五位学者在XNUMX年发表的相反文章格外令人印象深刻,长很多倍,而且更全面。 自然 前一个月。 Deigin的分析是如此详尽和详尽,可能乍一看认为它是大型顶级专业人员团队几个月的努力的产物,而不是孤立的兼职博客写手的业余爱好。 我强烈怀疑前一种可能性是现实。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/#scientific-claims-and-counter-claims

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  323. Realist 说:
    @obwandiyag

    What is a “logical fallacy”?

    Argument from consensus

    How could the fact that argument from consensus has lost allure be a fallacy?

    I was of course referring to the subject of your statement which is argument from consensus

    It is you who misread my post.

    But as to your statement argument from consensus has lost allure…that illogical argument never had allure among intelligent, logical people.

  324. Ron Unz 说:
    @GomezAdddams

    法国专家加布里埃尔·格拉斯(Gabriel Gras)将 BSL-4 实验室泄漏的可能性设为“零”,并且“该实验室的标准很高。 验证这一点是他的工作,由于他拥有安全(顾问)、实验室设计师和病毒学科学家的背景,Gras 100% 参与其中,”强调他对实验室的安全性“毫无疑问”。

    根据该报告,格拉斯也毫不怀疑该病毒是天然的。“我百分百确定它不是在实验室中构建和开发的,”他说。

    我认为格拉斯和所有其他科学专家面临的困境是,Covid 爆发实际上有三种可能的情况:(1)天然病毒; (2) 实验室意外泄漏; (3) 蓄意释放,即生物战攻击。

    The last possibility is regarded as so totally radioactive that almost no one is willing to consider it, and certainly no one “respectable” like Gras.

    Therefore, if he ignores (3), he’s left with (1) or (2), and since his connection with the Wuhan lab leads him to doubt the possibility of a lab-leak, he’s forced to claim the virus was natural, even if that seems scientifically implausible.

    Like I’ve said, I’m friendly with quite a number of reasonably prominent journalists and academics, and several of them have found my biowarfare hypothesis pretty persuasive. But none of them would say so in a million years.

  325. This just occurred to me:

    Is there a pattern here somewhere?

    Mid Sept. 2001: Senior US Senate Democrat leaders 汤姆·达施勒 (Majority leader) and 帕特里克莱希, who had voiced strong opposition to certain sections of the sweeping PATRIOT ACT bill as improperly overriding Bill of Rights freedoms, received anthrax letters mailed to their offices, leading to a huge scare and shutdown / decontamination of US Capital hill buildings. => On Oct 25 2001, the Patriot Act bill, as/is w/o significant limiting changes passed the Senate 98-1, and became law.

    In the early days of 2020 Covid pandemic, the 鲍里斯·约翰逊 UK government initially adopts a limited, ‘approach to naturally acquired herd immunity’ stance to dealing with the outbreak, which attempted to avoid complete shutdowns, and keep businesses and institutions functioning at a certain level, with epidemiological precautions applied. => Sometime in mid-March 2020 Boris Johnson , and partner (now wife) evidently contract Covid, and public confirmation of his infection is announced 27年XNUMX月. Johnson’s case worsens and he is admitted to hospital intensive care 9年XNUMX月. => Late Mar 2020, Britain reverses it “natural herd immunity’ policy and falls in line with the ‘total lockdown’ approach now preached by the High Priests of Science, Dr. Fauci, and the WHOs who 最好不要 be questioned on Facebook, Google, or Twitter .

    九月二十四日: After battling for four years successfully against all the Uniparty’s and the deep state Borg’s contrived Russiagate plots, scandals, landmines, and specious impeachment attempts, Trump seems to be back on top of things with his ACBarrett SC nomination, and apparent course ahead of smooth sailing to election to a second presidential term in November. Then that Rose Garden分馆 ACB reception “superspreader” event happened, where a Cloud of Covid seemed to descend upon Trump and the first several ‘ VIP’ rows of the attendees. The first Trump-Biden debate happened several days later, and Trump was hospitalized with covid a couple days following that. But in Trump’s case, he didn’t back down afterwards.

    What is it they say about coincidences in politics again?

  326. Mevashir 说:
    @Iris

    This seems to provide sufficient evidence. What exactly is your interest in promoting nuclear power?

    [更多]

    I grew up near San Francisco and it’s also been revealed that a massive amount of radioactive waste was dumped off the coast of California. This was waste from the many nuclear weapons labs in the area.

    When I lived in North Carolina it was revealed that similar dumping was done off the Carolina coast. Indeed the entire continental USA is ringed with offshore nuclear dumpsites.

    This is not a controversial claim. Why do you dispute it?

    Where do you think the English and French (safely) store their nuclear wastes?

    Please let us know miss nuke apologist.

  327. Mevashir 说:
    @The Ogs

    The witlessness of the people is always amazing to me. Here we have the Americans funneling a steady stream of taxpayer money into a string of bio-weapons research laboratories, and the string is long. There are dozens of these laboratories all around the planet absorbing American tax money.

    I doubt the average American taxpayer could even comprehend the uses his money goes for. Indeed some claim that our taxes merely pay to service the Federal Debt. Almost all programs are deficit financed via Treasury bills that our Chinese friends conveniently purchase to keep us afloat.

    A relative was a recombinant DNA researcher back in the 1970s when the field was rapidly expanding. He claimed all that research was to find a “cure for cancer.” Later I discovered that the NIH funding often carried an assumed bioweaponry application whether the grant recipient wanted it to or not.

    The MIC does what it wants. Why do you think so many microbiologists have committed suicide and died suspiciously over the past 20 years?
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/scientists-deaths-are-under-the-microscope/article4134797/

  328. @GomezAdddams

    Dr Shi’s experiments, in whole or in part, by her own admission, were done in a BSL-2 laboratory, the biosafety standards of a dentist’s office. A breach of containment was inevitable, and a breach of containment at The Wuhan Institute of Virology is the source if the epidemic. One or more of Dr Shi’s lab workers was exposed to SARS-CoV2, then spread it around Wuhan doing ordinary things like shopping or socializing. It is just as simple as that. Inane babbling about Fort Detrick is merely Tortured Argumentation.

    • 同意: Sean
    • 谢谢: Triteleia Laxa
    • 巨魔: d dan
  329. ld 说:
    @gay troll

    12猴子
    拯救无尽的国家
    来自我们创造的恶魔
    当我们收集每一个镍
    来自每个主权国家
    我们必须是第一
    我们必须扼杀竞争
    即使需要
    致命的寄生虫排放
    别担心我们会安全的
    我们以前做过这个把戏
    我们的产品是有选择性的
    永远不会到达我们的海岸
    我们指着臭手指
    在我们痛惜的国家
    并推卸责任
    就像我们所做的
    之前很多次

    • 谢谢: Ryan2
    • 回复: @gay troll
  330. dms578 说:

    a few points this article does not raise this question it was discussed on various sites last year in height of outbreak. Is it possible certainly but nothing said here gives any confirmation that Ft Detrick is source or our agencies had operatives who released it. First thing which undermines claim is that Shi Zhengli who was in the research triangle decamped to wuhan when BO signed executive order to discontinue GOF project and allegedly was given millions by fauci to continue her work in China. also said she and others took materiel with them which might have escaped. This is properly understood as an accidental event. Secondly the claim that outbreak among Iranian elite in Qom might have been caused by agents expert in bioweapons is equally suspect as claim is based by Unz on the relative lack of contact between Chinese and this group. Well today’s news brings report that the Belt and Road initiative has come to Iran ! Not exactly good news either but that is another conversation. Clearly this project has been in planning for some time and the people who would negotiate it would be the political elites in Iran based in Qom. It is difficult to imagine this would not have entailed meetings between Chinese and Iranians for some time either conducted in Iran or other venues. Occam’s razor weighs in favor of this conclusion. Unverifiable speculation on source of virus is at this time completely counterproductive. I don’t agree with any form of censorship and do not think FB and Youtube should take contents down but I also think certain people need to think with a little more depth and discernment before opining on such an explosive topic.

  331. @Ron Unz

    亲爱的罗恩!

    对于那些知道并承认大卫王酒店和 9/11 假旗袭击、拉文事件、自由号航空母舰和肯尼迪暗杀事件的人来说,生物武器 (COV19) 是首先在中国创造和种植的,所有人都不会感到惊讶,&然后是新保守主义犹太复国主义者的伊朗; 例如博尔顿和蓬佩奥。

    谢谢罗恩

    • 谢谢: Iris
  332. Iris 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Therefore, if he ignores (3), he’s left with (1) or (2), and since his connection with the Wuhan lab leads him to doubt the possibility of a lab-leak, he’s forced to claim the virus was natural, even if that seems scientifically implausible.

    French virologist Anne Goffard, specialist in coronaviruses, very respected and with no link to the Wuhan research, also was an early and consistent supporter of the natural origin of SARS-CoV2.

    She always offered a clear and simple argument in favour of the natural origin: the relatively slow rate of evolution of SARS-Cov2 within the human organism showing it was well accustomed to its host.

    https://www.20minutes.fr/sante/2898931-20201102-coronavirus-virologue-lilloise-anne-goffard-compile-sait-sars-cov-2
    https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-sars-cov-2-qua-t-on-appris-jusquici-146545#Echobox=1602615348

    If you allow me, the view that scientists are mostly motivated by selfish self-preservation in supporting the natural origin does not explain their views. Many also are caring and pacifist people, who well understand the terrible implications their expert judgement could have.

    In absence of definitive proof, they tend for the natural, less confrontational natural origin of SARS-Cov2 because it is what any decent and responsible person would do: in doubt, stir humankind away from the path to an all-out war.

    Conversely, this is also the principal reason why the US and Israel Deep States look even more contemptible and disgusting. They worsen the terrible Covid19 situation by stirring up the flames of geopolitical confrontation, without even providing any credible proof for their claims.

    It is a Judgement-of-Solomon type of situation, taken to the geopolitical level.

    Those with no love for humankind are ready to make the situation worst by waging war. Those with principles and scruples are ready to silence their suspicions to maintain peace.

    • 同意: Hughes
    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  333. thotmonger 说:
    @Iris

    法国没有在其核“能源”发展中向以色列提供物质和技术援助。 两者都使用这种“清洁”能源来制造核武器。 两者都有敌人,并且有更多的内乱趋势,那些“干净”的反应堆将永远成为国内外敌人的目标,更不用说愤怒的地球了。 因此,世界上的任何人都可以对法国的核能计划挥舞着纯粹的舒适和信心的旗帜,这让我无法理解。

    事实是,随着 2011 年福岛三重反应堆的熔毁,发生核芯灾难的几率从大约 70 年一次增加到每 XNUMX 年一次。 最终它们可能会像炉灶上的爆米花一样消失。

    同时,考虑到基因工程的速度和规模,分子生物学家已经失去了所有道德。 他们争先恐后是为了名利,而不是道德。 最大规模的错误和渎职是肯定的。 也可以作为武器部署……

    如果你认为核物理学家把人类搞得一团糟,那就等基因工程师赶上吧。
    http://www.takepart.com/photos/genetically-engineered-mosquitos-fight-zika-see-12-other-animals-modified-lab/index.html

    • 同意: One-off
    • 回复: @Iris
  334. gay troll 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m friendly with quite a number of reasonably prominent journalists and academics, and several of them have found my biowarfare hypothesis pretty persuasive. But none of them would say so in a million years.

    Yeah sure, just like Larry Romanoff keeps all his citations locked away in a file cabinet.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  335. Sean 说:
    @Ron Unz

    (1) and (2) are not mutually exclusive. There is no question but that Shi went into caves several hundred miles away and got natural viruses, which were brought back to the Wuhan lab. They also had live bats there although Duszak vehemently denied it until a week ago. No scientist mentions the propinquity I notice. The debunking is of a very restricted allegation. Not the main one.

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  336. @gay troll

    某种类型的高智商、好心肠但自负的人,总是会把礼貌和善意混为一谈。

    “You’re just too intelligent for this subject”

    “That is very interesting”

    “I like how direct you are”

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  337. ImaBotKnot 说:

    重要问题…… 假设光明会的最高路西法等级存在…… 然后我们可以看到光明会如何控制英国(通过罗斯柴尔德家族等国际银行家控制国际货币的主要枢纽),英国/德国光明会的产物,即美国、德国、意大利(以及运作梵蒂冈和耶稣会),法国(法国大革命的真正作用是什么?),据报道中国,李家的一些人在中国是光明会的顶端,俄罗斯也有光明会势力隐藏在里面国家。 好的,所以问题是中国在多大程度上受路西法光明势力的控制??? 你需要跟着钱,中国的银行和公司。 记住光明会的高层一起工作,(有时他们之间会打架)他们似乎代表哪个国家并不重要,因为例如中国光明会不关心中国人民......美国光明会,就像布什和他们的使女克林顿/奥巴马,不关心美国人民。 英国、法国、德国、意大利的光明会建立了第一次世界大战和第二次世界大战。 所以问这个问题.... 美国和中国以及全球主义的光明会...... 比尔盖茨、福奇、WEF施瓦布、索罗斯、罗斯柴尔德等人齐心协力启动了COVID/INJECTION行动???? 所以你不能只怪美国或中国,这是一个全球主义的行动,由世界深层黑暗国家发起。 他们希望我们在世界范围内互相憎恨。

    • 回复: @One-off
  338. Nancy 说:
    @Anonymous

    Ah, the sweet sound of Termite terror! seems they might be losing…

  339. Nancy 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    Well, isn’t Mossad very, very, very busy in Iran (in addition to bombing, etc)… they could, and would, buy anyone… perhaps the janitor? Didn’t we assasinate the Iranian war genius for Israel? Seems pretty simple, to me.

  340. @ghost of q.mensch

    Love Eric Clapton…..disturbing about his reaction to the jab.

    He once gave a fabulous slightly drunken rant regarding the foreign invasion of England, and of course he was labeled a “racist.”

  341. gay troll 说:

    Even if the virus is naturally evolved, a lab leak cannot be ruled out. Labs store and conduct research upon naturally evolved viruses. Furthermore, it is ridiculous to recognize the obvious proximity of the WIV to the epicenter of the disease outbreak in China and invoke Occam’s razor (or whatever) to conclude that SARS CoV 2 leaked out of the WIV. It is ridiculous because there is 硬证明 of a BSL 3/4 laboratory leak in mid 2019, but it happened on U.S. soil. In the months after this leak, regarding which a CDC inspection report says a [redacted] pathogen or toxin was released, an unexplained epidemic of COVID like pneumonia sickened thousands of people who had a history of vaporizer use. Meanwhile, similar unexplained outbreaks of pneumonia afflicted senior care facilities near Fort Detrick, and the CDC forecast a horrendous death toll for the seasonal flu, which in hindsight failed to materialize. So follow the evidence. It would be easy enough for someone to seed SARS CoV 2 in Wuhan to distract the credulous from hard evidence of a leak on U.S. soil.

    And for anyone who says I’m wrong, take it to the CDC. Tell them to release their unredacted inspection report that led to the firing of the USAMRIID commander and the closure of the facility for eight months to remedy a failure of its waste decontamination system. Tell them to explain why they 立即 associated a few dozen cases of pneumonia with vaporizers, despite (still) having no evidence to support their hypothesis, and an obvious conflict of interest in their longtime crusade against smoking and vaping.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  342. Iris 说:
    @thotmonger

    法国没有在其核“能源”发展中向以色列提供物质和技术援助。

    It certainly did in the 1950’s, first under the watch and control of Jewish Prime Minister Pierre Mendes France, and then under Prime minister Guy Mollet, who was a ardent Zionist militant.

    由于肯尼迪总统的大力支持和影响,这种支持在戴高乐将军的领导下被逆转并完全停止。

    http://solidarite-internationale-pcf.fr/article-1956-quand-les-socialistes-fran-ais-et-guy-mollet-livrent-la-technologie-nucleaire-a-israel-125139556.html

    然而,以色列在运作 没有核电站. 它的所有核生产都/专门用于制造热核 武器。

    福岛事故是由长期公认的人为错误、傲慢和腐败造成的。 如果遵循了重新安置应急发电机的出色技术建议,则很容易避免。

    核能生产的能源清洁无碳; 它有着光明的未来,不会消失。
    我们或许更幸运,感谢中国巨大的科学努力,在未来征服核聚变的圣杯,不产生放射性废物。

    • 回复: @thotmonger
  343. @Ron Unz

    the product of months of dedicated effort by a large team of top professionals rather than just a hobbyist-type undertaking by a solitary part-time blogger

    Was this team hired in advance and thus took part in the bioattack plan? In that case, didn’t any of those “top professionals” suspect that there would be a blowback and a global pandemic would ensue? Or were they hired after the fact, as damage control?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  344. @anonymous

    “China has had recent mysterious plagues affecting its farm animals, again incurring economic loss.”

    This is a point Ron has made – but isn’t it true that most of these viral diseases have in recent history come from China, owing to

    a) close proximity between domestic animals and humans (probably changing now as more people move to towns)
    b) the Chinese considering anything that walks, flies, crawls, slithers or swims to be food?

    • 巨魔: d dan, Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  345. Liza 说:

    The idea that viruses, bacteria, etc. are the basic cause of those clusters of symptoms we call “infections” is truly the worst thing to come down the pike since the dawn of time.

    However, it is not good enough to notice presence of symptoms + presence of “pathogens” and say, “Voila! Eureka! We’ve got the cause of disease!” You have to prove cause and effect. This has never been done. Even thousands of years ago, painful or uncomfortable symptoms, sometimes resulting in death, were attributed to evil spirits, angry gods or the appearance of certain constellations. SMH. Now, they just call these entities “germs”and say it’s “science”.

    Maybe there is pre-existing pathology, and nature sends in bacteria, viruses, etc. to clean it all up. But admitting this would mean we are responsible for our own health. That will never do, will it: easier to stick your arm out and beg to be poisoned so that you don’t have to wise up.

    • 谢谢: John Fisher
    • 回复: @John Fisher
  346. @YetAnotherAnon

    It doesn’t even need a China specific reason, though good ones exist. Britain, with 1/24 of the population, so perhaps 1/24 probability of major agricultural diseases, has suffered 2 devastating outbreaks in the last few decades; along with plenty of minor ones.

    BSE and Foot & Mouth were a complete horror – piles of cow carcasses, burned by the army, with poor English farmers, being found swinging from the beams in their barns.

    This could be used to question and make safer the industrial rearing of animals, or it could be used for an entirely speculative, convoluted rant about “US deep state Neocons” trying to destroy the British Beef industry.

    If I were to advocate the latter, my long-standing friends would treat me politely too.

  347. @gay troll

    Neither of the two senior care facilities you cite are anywhere near Fort Detrick. Both are south of Washington DC. Explain to me why there are no “mysterious outbreaks” in Washington DC, which is closer to Fort Detrick, or in any of the communities between DC and Fort Detrick, or any “mysterious outbreaks” in Frederick Maryland, the location of Fort Detrick. Regarding the vaping, I have seen the kids vaping, the massive amounts of smoke they exhale make a cigar look like nothing. My first thought was vaping must be really hard on the lungs. People developing a lung condition from vaping is entirely understandable. You just won’t face the facts. The Wuhan Institute of Virology was conducting experiments with virus chimera very similar to SARS-CoV2 under completely inadequate BSL-2 conditions, and the epidemic started in Wuhan. It is impossible to avoid the obvious conclusion.

    • 巨魔: Mulga Mumblebrain
  348. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Most of your points support the artificial virus theory, which I fully endorse.

    And yet you don’t answer the main question I posed to you regarding this:

    “If you want to put me in a box, I’m pro-truth and pro doing what is right. That’s why I’m willing to criticize the US just as much as China on this insanely dangerous gain-of-function research that was initiated by the US and funded by the US, and spread to China with US support. Do you not have anything to say about this research?

    I checked, and although my numerous Covid articles from the last 14 months had together attracted around 10,000 comments, not a single one of those came from you, so it’s possible that you haven’t bothered reading them.

    As I’ve already said, I read your original article positing the bioweapon theory, and I considered it plausible at the time, but after further thought and given new facts, I rejected it in favor of the Occam’s Razor lab leak scenario.

    If not, you really should, because they directly addressed many of the issues you’re currently raising, and it’s pointless for me to just repeat my arguments in this thread.

    This is a copout. You’ve spent several posts trying to argue your case. Handwaving at your rather 罗唆 articles to bolster it now is weak sauce. But I did read over the original one again, and I read the most relevant recent one for this discussion, which covers the Nicholas Wade article, and bemoans that he doesn’t go into bioweapon theory:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/

    The only line of evidence not already discussed here worth bringing up is what you consider the “smoking gun”:

    “According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious.”

    Except I already shared a link showing that hospitals in Wuhan were unusually busy around September/October, so it’s quite possible they picked up on something. And considering that we’re talking about spooks, it’s also quite possible that they picked up on chatter that might have accompanied a lab leak.

    顺便一提, 甚至没有一次 do you mention the phrase “gain-of-function” when discussing Nicholas Wade’s bombshell article. That’s the whole damn story.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
  349. Iris 说:

    Hua Chunying, official spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, is reporting on her Twitter account the recent US study suggesting that Covid19 was present in the US as early as December 2019:

    To which Lijian Zhao adds up:

    • 哈哈: Bombercommand
  350. RobinG 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Grammar Nazis are engaged in pettifoggery.

    And the phrase implies “like I am” so who’s the fool.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  351. @IvyMike

    你的阴谋论是一个典型的阴谋论,因为你发现的事实比真相要多。

    说什么傻话。 猜想应该符合事实吗?

    “Don Ron” and “typical conspiracy theory” dosn’t require comment.

    The point about blowback has been addressed many times. (1) Previous Chinese epidemics had been contained within China, the psychopaths responsible for the covid-19 outbreak may have thought it would happen again. (2) The West was supposed to have the best methods of fighting epidemics. (3) Psychopaths are unconcerned about other people. (4) Neocons aren’t known for seeing ahead.

    • 回复: @Iris
  352. @Liza

    It’s good to see you back spreading truth in a COVID hoax thread, Liza.

    The idea that viruses, bacteria, etc. are the basic cause of those clusters of symptoms we call “infections” is truly the worst thing to come down the pike since the dawn of time.

    It is the truly best thing to come down the pike for the misnamed health-care industry (should be called sickness industry) and its pharmaceutical industrial complex. With the addition of Big Ag into the mix, it’s a troika of anti-humanity, all getting rich at the expense of health and wellness.

    • 谢谢: Liza
  353. Iris 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    (5) And last but not least, Covid19 offered the psychopaths an extraordinary opportunity to re-gain control over the otherwise crashing Western economy.

    Many master plans seem to have been ready in the pipeline, just waiting for the Covid19 pandemic to break out and offer the opportunity to roll them out:

    – The re-shaping of globalisation, excluding those nation rebelling against the status quo, on the basis of the vaccination fracture lines.
    – A brand new US-led “Build Back Better ” developmental initiative to counter the Chinese “Belt and Road Initiative”.
    – A new climate change crusade and an eerily ambitious “energy transition”, justifying further rent extraction by the oligarchy, both domestically and internationally.
    – A timely woke LGBTQ/BLM/MeToo mish-mash agenda, to replace the exhausted values of the “rules-based international order”.
    – A perpetual excuse (the Covid19 variants), allowing to crush any contestation of the above.

    • 同意: anonym25, Arthur MacBride
    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  354. Winston 说:
    @Ron Unz

    You insist the unexplained respiratory illnesses in Fort Detrick is not Covid because the virus is too contagious for anyone not to notice back in 2019. Have you considered the possibility that the virus would evolve to be more contagious over time?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  355. Ron Unz 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    the product of months of dedicated effort by a large team of top professionals rather than just a hobbyist-type undertaking by a solitary part-time blogger

    Was this team hired in advance and thus took part in the bioattack plan? In that case, didn’t any of those “top professionals” suspect that there would be a blowback and a global pandemic would ensue? Or were they hired after the fact, as damage control?

    Obviously, this is all totally speculative, and it’s perfectly possible that I’m entirely wrong and Deigin did pop up out of nowhere to single-handedly produce his massive scientific opus.

    But under my scenario, the conspirators heavily promoted the Wuhan lab-leak story to blame China, which required an artificial virus, and were taken aback when the Trump-hating MSM fully endorsed the (dishonest) natural virus theory endorsed by the 柳叶刀“自然医学 letters. So maybe Pompeo went to the CIA or something and had them draw on their scientific resources to produce a massive research paper supporting an engineered virus, which they then got Deigin to front.

    It’s quite possible that microbiology experts brought in unaware of the biowarfare attack, and since the virus was pretty clearly artificial, they just had to put together a lot of convincing evidence supporting that reality, though they probably would have just as soon produced a fraudulent theory if so ordered.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Brás Cubas
  356. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    Except I already shared a link showing that hospitals in Wuhan were unusually busy around September/October, so it’s quite possible they picked up on something. And considering that we’re talking about spooks, it’s also quite possible that they picked up on chatter that might have accompanied a lab leak.

    The claim that Wuhan hospitals were already overflowing with Covid patients in Sept/Oct of 2019 is total garbage, and almost certainly the product of CIA-type disinfo once the conspirators realized the gigantic Oops! of disclosing the existence of the secret DIA report distributed in November. It’s basically aimed at people who don’t understand exponential curves. I’ve already addressed the issue on several occasional occasions, so including providing a link upthread, which I’ll now repeat:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/?showcomments#comment-4654470

    Absent strong public health measures, Covid infections tend to double every 3-5 days so if Wuhan hospitals had been overflowing in Sept/Oct, tens of millions of Chinese would have been infected by the end of the year, rather than the few dozen or so detected cases.

    The whole theory is just as absurd as the pro-China propaganda that Covid had began circulating in the US during summer 2019, and nobody noticed for seven or eight months.

    • 回复: @chrimony
    , @Herd Stupidity
  357. Ron Unz 说:
    @Winston

    You insist the unexplained respiratory illnesses in Fort Detrick is not Covid because the virus is too contagious for anyone not to notice back in 2019. Have you considered the possibility that the virus would evolve to be more contagious over time?

    The likelihood of a virus mutating is generally proportional to the number of infections, so these increasingly contagious mutations appeared where there were many hundreds of thousands or even millions of infected individuals. Since India has the worst outbreak, it’s hardly surprising that it supposedly produced the R0-6-7 variety.

    Yet the “Ft. Detrick theory” is that so few Americans became infected during 2019 that nobody noticed and there certainly wasn’t any epidemic. Therefore, the likelihood of your mutation would be very low.

    Moreover, the theory seems to be that the mutation first appeared in Wuhan, which is why the visible outbreak occurred there. That’s even more implausible than any random natural mutation.

    Finally, as others have pointed out, all the characteristics of the 2019 American illnesses were entirely dissimilar from Covid, and there’s no antibody evidence of Covid on American soil at that time. So it obviously wasn’t Covid.

    • 回复: @gay troll
  358. @Iris

    The anthropogenic climate destabilsation dimension of this contrived crisis will prove the most deadly, the veritable coup de grace.
    ACD is indisputably true, but has been hijacked by the usual ghouls for their nefarious purposes. Thus the ignorant, brainwashed, anti-Green Right are recruited to the denialist death-cult, foolishly thinking that they are opposing the oligarchs, when these parasites are using them. Using them to protect fossil fuel profits and assets, the greatest store of wealth on the planet, and using them to promote ecological devastation, a catastrophe that the blood-suckers plan to survive, while the ‘useless eaters’ are exterminated, even the denialist dead-heads. This the way the world ends-brought down by the insatiably greedy and the insufferably moronic.

    • 巨魔: Schuetze
    • 回复: @Iris
  359. dms578 说:
    @Chris Moore

    no sir it is not strange nor the fact that it seemed restricted to the political elites in Qom. In today’s news it is reported that the belt and road initiative has come to Iran. Clearly this has been worked on at the highest levels of political life in Iran whether in Qom or some other location. I saw what Unz said in such conspiratorial fashion and immediately checked on status of road and belt in the country and lo and behold there it was. This is more likely the explanation for the occurrence of outbreak than a group of “spooks” from our intelligence agencies who are trained to a level of expertise that allows for such an operation. These guys are lucky they don’t shoot themselves in the foot. Kinda like prince philip engineered a car crash in a underground pass in Paris to off Diana. How ridiculous. It is 100% certain this is how it happened may never be known a good sardonic laugh at Unz’s constant harping on everything being explained by conspiracy like “zionist psychotics” on warpath causing 9/11. I live in NYC and my brother was involved at the highest level of investigation in aftermath of event and I can tell you what you think is garbage. the public in this country is insane. I also believe that DJT would never agree to complicity for any personal motive about these events. I can read these sites and retain sanity it appears not too many can.

    • 回复: @Ryan2
    , @bike-anarkist
  360. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I notice, once again, you fail to address my main question. The question applies regardless if the bioweapon theory is true or not:

    “If you want to put me in a box, I’m pro-truth and pro doing what is right. That’s why I’m willing to criticize the US just as much as China on this insanely dangerous gain-of-function research that was initiated by the US and funded by the US, and spread to China with US support. Do you not have anything to say about this research?

    You did not mention “gain-of-function” research once in your review of Wade’s article. Why is that? Why is your laser focus on putting the blame on an invisible group that will 决不要 have to answer questions, while ignoring the 非常危险 research that’s been going on, in public, for years, and helped along by media saints like Fauci? If anything can come out of this, we can at least all agree that this insane research needs to end, right?

    Absent strong public health measures, Covid infections tend to double every 3-5 days so if Wuhan hospitals had been overflowing in Sept/Oct, tens of millions of Chinese would have been infected by the end of the year, rather than the few dozen or so detected cases.

    Busier doesn’t mean overflowing. And a “few dozen” detected cases in December is surely the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the actual number of cases. And remember, YOUR claim has been that the virus was spread in China under the “cover” of the world military games, which ended in October. So by that standard, it had two months of exponential growth to spread — but here you are citing “the few dozen or so detected cases”.

    Keep your story straight?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  361. @chrimony

    Racists like you often use the denigratory term ‘chatter’ when referring to the lesser races.

    • 巨魔: chrimony
  362. Ron Unz 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    某种类型的高智商、好心肠但自负的人,总是会把礼貌和善意混为一谈。

    It’s perfectly possible that for egotistical reasons I’ve entirely misinterpreted the seemingly supportive private notes I’ve received from various journalists and academics. For example, after publishing my previous article an eminent scholar sent me the following short note:

    这绝对是一个绝妙的逻辑。 你说服了我。

    也许他只是出于礼貌,而我只是看到了我想看到的。

    Obviously, the theory that an exceptionally reckless biowarfare attack on China (and Iran) ended up killing over 600,000 Americans is a little too “touchy” a subject for many people to freely discuss. But in the past some of my other work has won considerable public praise, so I don’t think my claims are entirely implausible. For example, my big Meritocracy article in late 2012 was ranked as probably the best American article published that year by David Brooks of the NYT and also by a top 经济学家 编辑:

    几年后,不少备受推崇的学者和记者愿意为我发表的论文集提供一些非常慷慨的简介:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/the-meritocracy-collection-ebook/#cover-quotes

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Incitatus
  363. @Sean

    Your barely disguised racist implication is that ONLY Shi and her team collect bat corona-viruses. That is bizarrely untrue, as the US has collected them from numerous sites over the bats’ natural range. And every type of interesting biological specimen that they can lay their hands on, over many decades.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
    , @Sean
  364. Polemos 说:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    西方还没有对死亡的出现、业力的积累和下地狱的现象感到头疼。

    你这是什么意思? 你能详细说明一下吗?

    • 回复: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
  365. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    You did not mention “gain-of-function” research once in your review of Wade’s article. Why is that?

    Because it’s totally irrelevant. I think 95% of the people currently ranting about “Gain of Function” had never even heard the term until a few weeks ago when the talking-heads on 福克斯新闻美国有线电视新闻网 在韦德的重要文章之后,他开始 24/7 全天候发布它。

    Everyone even moderately interested has known for a year or more that the NIH had provided much of the funding for the Wuhan lab’s virus research via Daszak’s organization, and that such research including enhancing the characteristics of viruses, i.e. GoF. I read the long Deigin article when it appeared in April 2020 and also the long and persuasive 12,000 word cover-story by Nicholas Baker when it appeared in January 2021. As Wade himself emphasized, nearly all the facts he discussed had been publicly known for a year or more but had simply been ignored by the Trump-hating American MSM.

    The Wuhan lab did research enhancing viruses. So what? Many, many other labs, most of them American and some of them secret biowarfare sites, do exactly the same sort of research. The only reason people point at the Wuhan lab is because it’s in Wuhan:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    • 同意: Iris
  366. @Ron Unz

    OK!

    Please do consider also writing an article criticising “gain of function” research. Whatever you need to believe, you must also see that it is a very dangerous process, that could easily have led to this situation, as lab leaks happen a lot. The benefit is clearly outweighed by the cost.

    [更多]

    I swear my sister might be your twin. The age gap is very big, but it is kind of amazing! This is exactly the type of response she would give.

    I love her very much, but “change” for her, “is a betrayal of everything” she is. I’ve given up intervening, as she is on her own journey.

    Thank you for hosting this site. It is excellent. As far as I’ve read them, I disagree with all of your articles, but I like different opinions.

  367. Anonymous[144]• 免责声明 说:
    @Iris

    Who in his right mind would augment a disease causer? This is like saying that only “virgins” would oppose improving methods of torture because they might provide useful information. Yeah right. You are smarter than we are.

  368. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Because it’s [gain-of-function research] totally irrelevant.

    Thanks for finally answering the question, and exposing exactly where you stand. You’d rather laser focus on an invisible, shadowy group that, even if they exist, will never be held to account, while ignoring insanely dangerous research that goes on in public with taxpayer dollars.

    I think 95% of the people currently ranting about “Gain of Function” had never even heard the term until a few weeks ago when the talking-heads on FoxNews and CNN began spouting it 24/7 in the wake of Wade’s important article.

    THAT is irrelevant. It’s what we do once gain knowledge of the facts, not how late we came to them or by who.

    The Wuhan lab did research enhancing viruses. So what? Many, many other labs, most of them American and some of them secret biowarfare sites, do exactly the same sort of research.

    What the fuck is this? Is the research insanely dangerous or not? How do you ever expect secret research to stop if you just give the open research a free pass? And do you think having 更多 of this research done, out in the public, while you just shrug your shoulders at it, is a good thing? What the fuck is wrong with you?

    The only reason people point at the Wuhan lab is because it’s in Wuhan:

    Well duh. I’ll repeat what I said earlier: “But for such a suspicious fellow, you seem awfully nonchalant about a lab conducting gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses in a city where a novel bat coronavirus emerges.”

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    全部产品 gain-of-function research should be shut down, everywhere. I’ve explicitly been critical of the US’s role in doing this research and spreading it to China. After this pandemic, now would be a good time to push to shut it all down. But you’d rather point the finger at invisible men.

    • 哈哈: Iris
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Mark Hunter
  369. @gatobart

    We should give as much credence to covid-19 actually being discovered in Spanish wastewater March 2019 as to government granted research claiming that Ivermectin and HCQ+Zinc are useless in treating the virus, that is, no credence at all.

    The following is from a comment of R.U.’s on his “American Pravda: ‘The Truth’ and ‘The Whole Truth’ About the Origins of Covid-19”:

    The problem is those evidentiary claims are 完全 non-credible, as I had already explained in my previous article.  … the only people who promote them are incompetent Chinese propagandists, who thereby make all their other arguments look ridiculous.
    unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/#pro-chinese-counter-propaganda

  370. @Iris

    She always offered a clear and simple argument in favour of the natural origin: the relatively slow rate of evolution of SARS-Cov2 within the human organism showing it was well accustomed to its host

    How would it be “well accustomed” without gain of function experimentation or a trail of infection stretching back years?

  371. @Ron Unz

    The only reason people point at the Wuhan lab is because it’s in Wuhan

    That, and it is the world-leading lab for research into bat coronaviruses.

    A person, who is obsessed with strangling, is found over a dead body, that has been strangled. That is “the only reason people point at” him as the most likely suspect!

    • 回复: @annamaria
  372. Iris 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    For what it’s worth, and I hope that will cheer you up, there is a large array of brand new energy technologies that are being developed which will greatly reduce the carbon footprint of human activity.

    迄今为止,污染最严重和问题最严重的活动始终是交通运输。 它是不可替代的化石燃料的最大消费者,这与电力行业不同,在电力行业中,核能、太阳能、风能、生物质能和天然气等可再生/清洁能源在一定程度上已经慢慢取代煤炭。

    交通能源的未来似乎是取代石油的氢燃料电池。 当这种情况发生时,这将是一场重塑世界的革命,因为能源是全球第一大商品。

    The US’ problem is that China is the most advanced country in Hydrogen technology, and the only one capable of developing a hydrogen transport and distribution network along its future BRI outpost. Such technological shift already represents the end of the USA’s economic domination, and the end the US dollar largely based on oil trade.

    The energy technology transition I am describing is not a pie-in-the-sky; it is a scenario that is already materialising in Germany and France, while China is much further ahead. But the US hasn’t made any such progress and is much lagging behind in civilian R&D, so the Covid19 pandemic was a providential , “miraculous” opportunity to slow things down and try to take back control.

    最终,Unz 先生正在为他的国家提供伟大的爱国服务,他说出了正在危害国家未来的无能和罪犯的真相。
    一个光明的新世界正在东方升起,由辛勤工作、科学、研究、进步和 对共同利益和子孙后代的承诺。 另一方面,在 在水底采捕业协会(UHA)的领导下, 西方世界,我们被彻头彻尾的江湖骗子和罪犯所领导,他们唯一的技能就是自私的阴谋、大屠杀和短视的阴谋。 我们什么时候才能意识到我们自己的行为已经失去了我们的文明,而不是责怪中国人?

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @cranc
  373. utu 说:

    The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know (08 June 2021)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

    Does the virus have features that suggest it was created in a lab?

    Several researchers have looked into whether features of SARS-CoV-2 signal that it was bioengineered. One of the first teams to do so, led by Kristian Andersen, a virologist at Scripps Research in La Jolla, California, determined that this was “improbable” for a few reasons, including a lack of signatures of genetic manipulation6. Since then, others have asked whether the virus’s furin cleavage site — a feature that helps it to enter cells — is evidence of engineering, because SARS-CoV-2 has these sites but its closest relatives don’t. The furin cleavage site is important because it’s in the virus’s spike protein, and cleavage of the protein at that site is necessary for the virus to infect cells.

    But many other coronaviruses have furin cleavage sites, such as coronaviruses that cause colds7. Because viruses containing the site are scattered across the coronavirus family tree, rather than confined to a group of closely related viruses, Stephen Goldstein, a virologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, says the site probably evolved multiple times because it provides an evolutionary advantage. Convergent evolution — the process by which organisms that aren’t closely related independently evolve similar traits as a result of adapting to similar environments — is incredibly common.

    nother feature of SARS-CoV-2 that has drawn attention is a combination of nucleotides that underlie a segment of the furin cleavage site: CGG (these encode the amino acid arginine). A Medium article that speculates on a lab origin for SARS-CoV-2 quotes David Baltimore, a Nobel laureate and professor emeritus at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, as saying that viruses don’t usually have that particular code for arginine, but humans often do — a “smoking gun”, hinting that researchers might have tampered with SARS-CoV-2’s genome.

    Andersen says that Baltimore was incorrect about that detail, however. In SARS-CoV-2, about 3% of the nucleotides encoding arginine are CGG, he says. And he points out that around 5% of those encoding arginine in the virus that caused the original SARS epidemic are CGG, too. In an e-mail to Nature, Baltimore says Andersen could be correct that evolution produced SARS-CoV-2, but adds that “there are other possibilities and they need careful consideration, which is all I meant to be saying”.

    Furin cleavage sites naturally occur in coronaviruses ( January 2021)
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1873506120304165?via%3Dihub

    • 谢谢: Brás Cubas
  374. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Except that the bumbling Dr Shi performed her experiments with dangerous bat virus and virus chimera in a BSL-2 level lab, THE BIOSAFETY LEVEL OF A DENTIST’S OFFICE. A breach of containment was inevitable. The epidemic started in Wuhan and the bumbling Dr Shi’s lab is in Wuhan.

  375. Gerard1234 [又名“杰拉德-曼德拉”] 说:
    @Ron Unz

    One Russian scientist said that bats come from a different part of China, and that no infections were found in the meat in those markets in the south of China where these bats come from.

    The only conclusion from him being that it could only have been a man-made virus.

  376. Ron Unz 说:
    @chrimony

    What the fuck is this? Is the research insanely dangerous or not? How do you ever expect secret research to stop if you just give the open research a free pass? And do you think having 更多 of this research done, out in the public, while you just shrug your shoulders at it, is a good thing? What the fuck is wrong with you?…全部产品 gain-of-function research should be shut down, everywhere.

    Look, “Gain of Function” is just a suddenly popular MSM buzzword, but although I’ve never had a huge interest in the subject, I’ve been aware of the biological enhancement of viruses for decades. Lots of different innocuous justifications are given, but I’ve always assumed the main reason was the production of powerful bioweapons, and everything that has become known during the last year seems to support that conclusion.

    Personally, I think bioweapons are a bad idea and should be banned, but I would have said the same thing twenty years ago. I think Nixon actually signed an anti-biowarfare treaty with the Soviets fifty years ago, but some time after the USSR fell, America renounced it and also absorbed all the old Soviet biowarfare research. For decades, the US has certainly had the world’s largest and most advanced biowarfare program.

    Go ahead and try to ban bioweapons—I wish you the best of luck. Maybe you should also try to ban nuclear weapons while you’re at it.

    Incidentally, here’s a bit of political advice. If Americans believe Covid came from a Wuhan lab-leak and therefore was probably a Chinese bioweapon, they’ll naturally support a major expansion of America’s own gigantic biowarfare program.

    But if Americans somehow became convinced that Covid was an *美国人* bioweapon and that over 600,000 of our citizens died because it was recklessly used to attack China (and Iran), there’s actually some slight chance they might demand that our biowarfare research be sharply curtailed.

    So maybe that’s the propaganda-line you should be taking, especially since it probably happens to be true…

    • 回复: @Dnought
    , @chrimony
  377. @chrimony

    Every writer knows the dictum “delimit your subject.”  Focus is the basis of clarity and persuasiveness.

    R.U.’s focus here is: Who caused the Covid-19 pandemic?  The advisability of GoF research is totally irrelevant to that question.

    Now it wouldn’t be surprising if R.U. in fact agrees that GoF research should not be funded but that is a different subject and addressing it would just clutter up his argument.

    I wrote the above before R.U. replied.

  378. One-off 说:
    @ImaBotKnot

    当中国加入光明会的行列时,它才真正到来。

  379. Matt B 说:

    嗨,乌兹先生,

    I remember comments about that years US team sent to the Military Games performing unusually badly,
    most of the US competitors are pro or semi pro athletes and the US usually scores high, in 2019 the US team came in 30th overall,

    maybe you don’t send top rate athletes if you’re distributing a bio weapon that could destroy their careers and make them un co-operative in your scheme?

    also the US military decided pretty early in the outbreak that they wouldn’t recruit anyone who had caught the virus,
    as if they knew or suspected it was a bio weapon and could have longterm effects, long covid, permanent lung damage, blood clots etc.

    I agree on John Bolton and Mike Pompeo as likely conspiritors, they are both neocons and barking mad,
    so recall the PNAC documents, the Project for a New American Century, the neocon think tank effort, it laid out plans to set the Middle East on fire, rebuild the US military to achieve full spectrum dominance of the planet etc. etc.

    one section of the documents talked about bio weapons and the possibility of tailoring bio weapons to target specific ethnic groups,

    there are US bio labs all over the world, that one in Georgia that people have been very suspicious of , the collecting of Russian tissue samples for ‘research’ which un nerved some Russians, ‘are they trying to make a Slav killer virus?’
    there’s a whole bunch of US labs in the Ukraine now,

    the neocons obviously have a massive boner for the idea of a virus that could target ethnicities, maybe Bolton and Pompeo hoped covid would just kill Chinese people and not work in the West?

    maybe they had a Persian covid lined up for the Iranians?
    there were already three significant variants by the time covid established itself in the US,
    but now with it all over the world, using millions of people as hosts to practice mutating in, it still seems to take several months for a new variant to emerge,
    why already 3 distinct variants only a few months in?

    I’m not enthusiastic about getting the vaccine, I wonder if you take a hastily created vaccine for a dodgy bio weapon you could end up getting an adverse reaction like that which became known as Gulf War Syndrome,
    or even collapse playing soccer with a stopped heart due to heart muscle inflamation,

    anyway, I love your analysis because I got really suspicious when Iranian elites started dying,
    I felt vindicated when you published your theory!

    • 回复: @Dnought
  380. Stonehands 说:
    @ghost of q.mensch

    真是笑话。 自我描述为“叛徒”EC,只是迫不及待地卷起袖子,注射了实验性的大型制药公司/华尔街银行家弗兰肯肖特。 一些不墨守成规的人。 只是另一个公司走狗,婴儿潮一代。

    • 巨魔: Mulga Mumblebrain
  381. gatobart 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    Sorry pal, but if there is one thing that reeks of propaganda here, that is your comment. Any comment which starts telling me “what I should believe” can only come from someone who is trying to prepare me for the ingestion of his own personal Absolute Truth. First, you try to discredit without any solid proof or evidence what Spanish researchers claim as if they weren’t to be trusted just because, well, because they are Spanish and so not members of your favorite tribe…? But you really clinched it when you talk about “Chinese propaganda”. That is a giveaway, I don’t need to go any further to see that you are yourself the one trying to push your own propaganda here. Bye.

    Next time when you try to push your own propaganda on people try ti be a little more subtle.

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain
  382. Dnought 说:
    @Matt B

    The US has never done really well at the Military Games, and has been on a steady downward slope in terms of “medals won” since the first games in 1995. The US finished 35日 in 2019. In 2015 the US finished 23; in 2011 the US finished 16日; 在2007年, 15日; 在2003年, 16日; 在1999年, 8日; in the first Military Games in 1995, also 8日.

    Kind of looks like a trend to me.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Matt B
  383. gay troll 说:
    @Bombercommand

    Do you think Dr. Shi invented SARS COV 2? It might as well be Ralph Baric’s chimeric SARS CoV. Do you think these viruses are not also studied at USAMRIID? The CDC holds the patent on the original SARS genome. Do you think Chinese researchers would be allowed to have access to viruses that American researchers do not? Even if SARS CoV 2 is an offshored GoF project, the finished product would have been returned to the U.S. for study. This isn’t an arms race, at least, not one with counterparties. Bio “defense” research is globalized.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  384. Dnought 说:
    @Ron Unz

    But if Americans somehow became convinced that Covid was an *美国人* bioweapon and that over 600,000 of our citizens died because it was recklessly used to attack China (and Iran), there’s actually some slight chance they might demand that our biowarfare research be sharply curtailed.

    Actually if they really “became convinced that Covid was an *美国人* bioweapon….recklessly used to attack China (and Iran)”, I would think that “biowarfare research (might) be sharply curtailed” would be the least of the perpetrators problems.

  385. gay troll 说:
    @Ron Unz

    all the characteristics of the 2019 American illnesses were entirely dissimilar from Covid

    This is patently false. Would you say the characteristics of severe flu are entirely dissimilar from COVID? Because the only thing that could distinguish EVALI from a severe flu was a negative flu test. Read what the CDC says. EVALI exactly resembled an infectious pneumonia. It could only be diagnosed when tests for all other respiratory illnesses came back negative. Its rate of intubations and fatalities compared to hospitalizations was virtually identical to COVID. “Both” diseases were characterized by unusual “ground glass opacities” in radiographic images of the lungs. The only thing that differentiates these diseases is the misinformation about them provided about them by the CDC. And you.

  386. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    So maybe Pompeo went to the CIA or something and had them draw on their scientific resources to produce a massive research paper supporting an engineered virus, which they then got Deigin to front.

    So I tried find more on Deigin. It seems he doesn’t have degree in biology:

    https://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.yuri.deigin

    2001- Bachelor’s degree in Science in the fields of Computer Science and Mathemathematics at U of Toronto

    2001-2008 – Software Engineer at IBM

    2010 -MBA from the Columbia Business School at Columbia University

    Since 2013 – serves as the Vice President of the nonprofit Foundation, Science for Life Extension, whose goal is the popularization of the fight against age-related diseases

    COO and Managing Director at Pharma Bio in Moscow for almost 7 years

    2015 – 2017, Yuri was the Vice President of Business Development at Manus Pharmaceuticals in Toronto, Canada where he worked on raising funding and forming strategic partnerships

    His life goal is to do everything possible to minimize human suffering from various diseases, especially terminal age-related diseases such as cancer, Alzheimer’s, and cardiovascular disease and to help humanity eradicate them. As an activist, blogger, and speaker, he is conveying the magnitude of human suffering these diseases cause, as they take over 100,000 lives each day. As a biotech entrepreneur, Yuri is doing his modest part by putting together projects that could yield such therapies, splitting his time between Toronto and Moscow

    The question is what were the circumstances and arrangements of him getting into Covid-19 origins debate. Karl Sirotkin and Dan Sirotkin should be persons of interest.

  387. chrimony 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Look, “Gain of Function” is just a suddenly popular MSM buzzword, but although I’ve never had a huge interest in the subject, I’ve been aware of the biological enhancement of viruses for decades. Lots of different innocuous justifications are given, but I’ve always assumed the main reason was the production of powerful bioweapons, and everything that has become known during the last year seems to support that conclusion.

    That doesn’t make any sense. Why would you publish open research into bioweapons, and not only that, fund said research with your adversaries? Do you think anything through, or have you turned that hammer you’ve been wielding in search of nails on your brain?

    I take them at their word, that they think they’re trying to do good by getting ahead of the next SARS or MERS. But in this case they ended up creating it without any advance benefit — as was warned about.

    But if Americans somehow became convinced that Covid was an *美国人* bioweapon and that over 600,000 of our citizens died because it was recklessly used to attack China (and Iran), there’s actually some slight chance they might demand that our biowarfare research be sharply curtailed.

    Never gonna happen, because there’s no evidence for it besides your weak associations, and the much more mundane, in-your-face evidence is a Wuhan leak using US tax dollars to spread insanely dangerous gain-of-function research pioneered in the US to our adversaries.

    I don’t need your fringe theory when I have Jon Stewart doing a Tom Cruise couch-jumping routine on the Colbert Show telling his audience that the emperor has no clothes — and they responded favorably. Now that Trump is out of office, and the Wade article has broke the dam, maybe saner heads can prevail and this research will be curbed.

    So maybe that’s the propaganda-line you should be taking, especially since it probably happens to be true…

    I don’t take a propaganda line. That’s your department. I use Occam’s Razor, where as you use Unz’s Hammer.

    • 回复: @Sean
    , @Brás Cubas
  388. Sean 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The propinquity bespeaks connection, the scientist ought to be asked to take that and not just taxonomy into account when giving an opinion. Trump is gone now so what’s the problem? The SARS-like disease epidemic in factory farmed pigs was only 60 miles from where the 2002 human SARS outbreak in China occurred. Wuhan is several hundred miles away from the village where Shi founded people has antibodies to SARS, apparently from bats flying over the village and crap being inhaled that contained SARS-like coronaviruses. But there was no meaningful disease at all, and certainly no evidence of human–human transmission.

    True enough, Shi was one of many scientists working worldwide on bat diseases that could jump into humans, but no foreign scientist was gathering as much samples from wild bats in Chin as she, and in fact she got samples of everything that they got in China because she accompanied them. At finding bats with coronavirus resembling SARS, Shi was the the global go-to scientist for 16 years. Shi herself admitted she was worried that the outbreak was a result of her work, so it was hardly a racist idea. I don’t think that her current assurances that she checked all the samples against the Covid-19 pathogen without finding a match is exculpatory even if true.

    Her Wuhan lab processed fifteen thousand samples from bats potentially harbouring novel coronaviruses, which means there was a tremendous amount of interaction between the Wuhan staff and wild bats in remote caves and the famous mineshaft. Clearly their handing and exuding in airborne viral particles that could be breathed in by researcher at the remote site is a possible vector for a outbreak getting back to Wuhan, whether one wants to call the possibility a ‘lab leak’ one or not. Goodness knows what they were doing with them, but that her Wuhan institute had live bats as lab animals, something that–tellingly–was successfully concealed until last week, is less than reassuring.

    There is also the issue of forced serial passage, maybe in the humanized mice that Baric used in his egregious 2015 ‘research’, which as Wain Hobson pointed out was actually creating a new and dangerous pathogen. The Yunnan mineshaft bat bugs did not actually cause disease–that was found to be a mold, but the Chinese proudly told US Embassy staff in 2017 that Wuhan had some novel coronaviruses with exceptional pandemic potential. Had Shi’s people, having failed to find anything really sexy in almost two decades and wanting impressive results to show from their shiny new institute amped up the transmissibility of an innocuous bat coronavirus from koala bear to Tasmanian devil?

    • 巨魔: d dan
  389. Sean 说:
    @chrimony

    A few good if not excellent points there, but be a little more tactful with Ron please. He works hard on this site and is open handed with his time and financial resources even for people he disagrees with. Like you and I, he can’t be right about everything.

  390. Ron Unz 说:
    @Dnought

    The US has never done really well at the Military Games, and has been on a steady downward slope in terms of “medals won” since the first games in 1995.

    I agree completely. That claim that our military athletes had done suspiciously poorly has always seemed like a total red herring to me.

    It’s ridiculous to think that they were all covert agents rather than just a couple of them, and equally ridiculous to believe that they mostly all somehow sick with Covid. Back in the Middle Ages, armies might have sent some plague-infected people into the enemy camp to go around coughing at everyone, but I’m sure the CIA has much more advanced virus dispersion devices these days.

    The visit of the 300 military athletes was probably just used as cover to sneak in a couple of operatives, and all those other implausible theories merely weaken the overall case.

    • 回复: @Sean
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  391. gatobart 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    Italy sewage study suggests COVID-19 was there in December 2019
    By Kate Kelland
    JUNE 19,2020

    LONDON (Reuters) – Scientists in Italy have found traces of the new coronavirus in wastewater collected from Milan and Turin in December 2019 – suggesting COVID-19 was already circulating in northern Italy before China reported the first cases.

    The Italian National Institute of Health looked at 40 sewage samples collected from wastewater treatment plants in northern Italy between October 2019 and February 2020. An analysis released on Thursday said samples taken in Milan and Turin on Dec. 18 showed the presence of the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

    “This research may help us understand the beginning of virus circulation in Italy,” said Giuseppina La Rosa, an expert in environmental wastewater at the Italian National Institute of Health who co-led the research.

    A spokeswoman for the institute said the full data and study would be published next week.

    Research in the Netherlands, France, Australia and elsewhere has found signs that the virus that causes COVID-19 can be detected in sewage, and many countries are beginning to sample wastewater to track the disease.

    Scientists said the detection of traces of the virus before the end of 2019 was consistent with evidence in other countries that COVID-19 may have been circulating before China reported the first cases on Dec. 31.

    Noel McCarthy, an expert in population evidence and technologies at Britain’s Warwick Medical School, said the detection of SARS-Cov-2 genetic material in Italian wastewater in December was “reliable evidence of cases of COVID-19 being present there at that time”.

    Rowland Kao, an epidemiology and data professor at Scotland’s Edinburgh University, agreed it was plausible the disease could have circulating then, but added: “(This finding) does not on its own, however, tell us if that early detection was the source of the very large epidemic in Italy, or if that was due to a later introduction into the country.”

    A study in May by French scientists found that a man was infected with COVID-19 as early as Dec. 27, nearly a month before France confirmed its first cases.

    La Rosa said the presence of the virus in the Italian waste samples did not “automatically imply that the main transmission chains that led to the development of the epidemic in our country originated from these very first cases”.

    Samples positive for traces of the virus that causes COVID-19 were also found in sewage from Bologna, Milan and Turin in January and February 2020. Samples taken in October and November 2019 tested negative.

    The institute said it plans to launch a pilot study in July to monitor wastewater in tourist resorts.

    Additional reporting by Deena Beasley in Los Angeles and Emilio Parodi in Milan; Editing by Peter Graff, Andrew Heavens and Giles Elgood”

    Wow,..this is the kind of news “I shouldn’t believe” despite the fact of including the learned opinions of scientists of about half a dozen European countries…? And BTW, what is that “argument” that there is no credibility in the claim by Spanish scientists because no other samples were found by them after that which were contaminated too.? Couldn’t that have simply been because they weren’t specifically looking for COVID19 when they tested them, after March 2019 but long before the Wuhan outbreak by dec. of 2020…? Let’s remember that until at least that time many people were being misdiagnosis all over with the flu and all kinds of respiratory diseases, when in fact they had most likely already been infected with the virus. Also, let’s not forget that the Barcelona sample was a leftover from almost a year ago, God knows how many samples they had kept from past months, and there is also the fact that this one left over sample was tested AFTER the pandemic had been declared.

    • 回复: @Godfree Roberts
  392. thotmonger 说:
    @Iris

    support was reversed and entirely stopped under General De Gaulle

    Gee, that’s swell. Lesson learned, problem solved? Or how about France taking a stand to correct their major role in nuclear proliferation to a rogue state: Demand Israel give up the nuclear weapons that France enabled. By demonstrating such courage where no other nation has yet dared, France will become the hero to billions.

    The Fukushima accident was caused by a long-identified human error, by hubris and corruption.

    Hubris is right! You have been listening to too many technocrats. At Fukushima the twenty foot wall was breached by a fifty foot wave. Build a fifty foot wall? It still might be crashed by an eighty foot wave. And there go those crucial pumps located, darn it, at sea level. If they were not already split asunder. Ha.

    In any case, if nuclear power is so safe, how about repealing the Price Anderson Act? Demonstrate confidence, do not just bluff it. Reminds me of Big Pharma and their “safe” vaccines insulated from all liability… greedy, lying, hypocrites.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388629/Japan-tsunami-destroyed-wall-designed-protect-Fukushima-nuclear-plant.html

    • 回复: @Iris
  393. eah 说:

    The Covid BioWeapon: Made in the USA, Aimed at China

    If so, something went rather wrong.

    • 回复: @anonym25
  394. Matt B 说:
    @Dnought

    Hi Dnought,

    I went through the wikipedia entries for successive Military Games results and you’re right,
    I’d not done the ground work before and taken the comments I’d seen at face value,

    I’m more than happy to see various talking point scrutinised for veracity.

    • 谢谢: Dnought
  395. @VICB3

    “ Look for the former to be suicided while the latter will suffer an unfortunate accident, perhaps a crash of his private jet.”

    阿门。

  396. @Lem

    “ What people who look into the likely long-term consequences of Covid policies call the Great Reset is a transfer of power from governments to the largest private sector players. That’s not bad for China, therefore it isn’t unlikely.”

    Could you please explain why that’s not bad for China. Are you suggesting that China is better off under the great reset? The Chinese approach to implementing the OBOR initiative suggests that China is keen on cooperating with government bodies rather than with private sector players. I could be wrong and if so please enlighten me.

  397. @Bombercommand

    Says who, troll? Mike Pompeo, your best boy?

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  398. Sean 说:
    @Ron Unz

    The visit of the 300 military athletes was probably just used as cover to sneak in a couple of operatives, and all those other implausible theories merely weaken the overall case.

    Assuming they existed, they were killed as soon as they returned and were debriefed; the operatives would have been misled about the exact nature of what they were doing in case of capture of course, but after the pandemic in Wuhan hit the news they’d have worked it out and known too much to be left alive. They were truly idiots to obey such orders without realizing it was signing their own death warrant. Given how wrong it all went, I expect the demise of everyone involved was deemed expedient, apart from the very top boss and his closest associates. China knows who those are I suppose.

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
  399. @onebornfree

    ” 这个“正义”在:“战争是国家的健康”伦道夫·伯恩

    然而,许多领导人被暗杀是因为他们试图改变这一悲惨的现实,例如亚伯拉罕·林肯和约翰·肯尼迪; 他们都寻求合作,而不是国家之间的疯狂竞争,这使他们成为伦敦金融城的死敌。 尽管中国作为一个强大的国家有着悠久的历史,但与西方政府更为激进的政策不同,她几乎没有将敌人赶出山顶。 看起来战争与和平问题更多地受文化而非政府规模的影响。

    限制政府参与战争的一种方法是掩埋法定货币体系; 根据已故的尊敬且知识渊博的尤斯塔斯·穆林斯 (Eustace Mullins) 的说法,战争奸商自 1885 年以来就计划发动泛欧战争,但在 1914 年美联储成立一年后的 1913 年开始实施。 1971 年美元和黄金脱钩后尼克松政府,我们得到了类固醇的凯恩斯主义,没有它,美国要么抛弃约翰逊的伟大社会,要么抛弃越南战争,或两者兼而有之。

  400. @Iris

    I agree completely. The great difference lies in the fact that China represents the ideal of a humane, harmonious, society, that honours its past, and protects unborn generations, whereas the West is built on greedy, dominating, individualism, and other people, including future generations, are at best competition, at worst the enemy, or exploitable commodities. China represents individualism for ALL individuals, limited by the effect that personal freedom has on the lives of others. In the West the individual is an atomised, island, alone unto itself, save when seeking others to be exploited or brushed aside. Dominance versus harmony. Of course, domineering types exist in China, but they are not in charge of society, just as harmonious individuals are utterly powerless, even despised, in the West.

  401. @Mark Hunter

    The Barcelona university that found SARS CoV2 in waste-water in March 2019 has had its research peer-reviewed and published, so we will see. The Western totalitarian corporate state will do its best to suppress or denigrate it, that is for certain, just as they have, wickedly, suppressed HCQ, ivermectin, fluvoxamine etc, to push the gene therapy injections instead. BigPharma and the medical Mafias make Big Tobacco look like saints.

    • 回复: @Mark Hunter
  402. @Ron Unz

    “Cover?”

    Can we stop pretending that this makes any sense at all?

    A member of the military has a huge “search all of my bags, investigate everything about me and follow me around everywhere” sign on them.

    It is the opposite of “cover”. It is the number one thing the US could do to raise suspicion of the operatives they were supposedly trying to sneak in.

    No one is ever going to try to sneak special forces operatives into a country as 士兵. That is ridiculous.

    There are huge numbers of US companies with operations in China. There are even more which procure from China. If the US wanted to sneak an operative in, they could just have sent a representative from any rinky dink online retailing platform. They would gather no suspicion whatsoever.

    Would you rob a house with a black and white striped top, eye mask and big bag that says “swag” on it?

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @Hughes
  403. anonym25 说:
    @eah

    It’s a blowback. That was Ron Unz’s thesis back in 2020.

    • 回复: @eah
  404. Is Covid-19 the most contagious virus in circulation, which also causes significant symptoms?

    Nobody seems to have had colds during lockdown, nor caught the flu. Lockdown, or perhaps people’s sensible behavioural adjustments, have prevented most respiratory illness transmission, except Covid.

    This is remarkable and points to Covid being the product of “gain of function” research. It also makes it the least likely weapon for biological warfare.

  405. @Sean

    Still nobody has given you a coherent response to that obvious point in over a year now. Could it be that there isn’t one?

  406. Hughes 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Civilian contractor simply isn’t reliable and trusted enough of an agent for something that secret and big especially after if as we presumed something went terribly wrong and their damage way bigger than they intended.

    In example. Edward Snowden.

    Like i said before normally they’d want to shed light to US military contingents that visited Wuhan just prior before an outbreak happen if anything to quarantine those personnels to prevent infections from Wuhan crossing into US territory or worse their military.
    But insofar they’ve been mum and pretend that it didn’t happen. That sure would give weight to Chinese own suspicions and counter narrative.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  407. @Hughes

    Civilian contractor simply isn’t reliable and trusted enough of an agent for something that secret and big especially after if as we presumed something went terribly wrong and their damage way bigger than they intended.

    Sorry, I did not mean to imply that it would be a civilian contractor. Just in civilian cover.

    Surely nobody really believes that the US inserted military personnel under military “cover”? That is absurd.

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
  408. Ron Unz 说:
    @Sean

    Assuming they existed, they were killed as soon as they returned and were debriefed; the operatives would have been misled about the exact nature of what they were doing in case of capture of course, but after the pandemic in Wuhan hit the news they’d have worked it out and known too much to be left alive.

    That’s ridiculous. I’m no expert on biowarfare, but America has spent decades building up the world’s largest biowarfare infrastructure.

    Since we’ve spent so many billions producing bioweapons, I’d assume we’ve also invested at least a little in how to release and disperse them, including various devices and trained personal to use them. If operatives had spent years being trained to release bioweapons, I think they’d get a little ticked off if their friends and colleagues were always killed by the US government after returning from any such mission.

    There’s actually pretty strong evidence that America had occasionally used bioweapons during the Cold War and against various other countries we didn’t like, so a pattern of killing our agents after their successful missions would lead to all sorts of problems.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
    , @Johnny Rico
  409. The problem about Ron Unz’s hypothesis’ “smoking gun” — the NCMI report of November 2019 — is that no one in its distribution list did anything about it. And Unz argues that they just didn’t take it seriously because they must get those reports with astounding frequency and know they are not reliable. But he thinks we should take that report seriously. But why should we have a different reaction from everyone else? Well, he might argue, because in this case the pandemic did occur, as we well know. That’s a fallacy. A stopped clock will be right twice a day, but that says nothing about its working condition.

    Furthermore, we are fed daily — through Unz himself, Glenn Greenwald, and others — stories of fake news produced by crook journalists. Why should we now make an exception to this story? So, that report may have never existed in the first place.

    • 同意: Triteleia Laxa
  410. @Ron Unz

    Your reply makes no mention of this being a rogue operation. In fact, your whole hypothesis relies on there being no way of distinguishing a rogue operation from a regularly authorized one. No safety valve in the system. I’m not sure I can accept that.

    • 同意: Sean
    • 回复: @Iris
  411. @gay troll

    You reply is a classic case of Tortured Argumentation. The epidemic started in Wuhan, Dr Shi’s lab is in Wuhan, and Dr Shi was conducting her experiments with dangerous viruses under BSL-2 protocols, THE BIOSAFETY LEVEL OF A DENTIST’S OFFICE. It is beyond me why you cannot understand this.

    • 巨魔: d dan
    • 回复: @gay troll
  412. @Ron Unz

    I really can’t say your speculations about Deigin are absurd. But they don’t need the bioattack hypothesis. Since you agree it was an after-the-fact arrangement, it could just as well be some anti-China people grabbing on a unique opportunity to score some points.

    You probably know that, but I think it’s important to stress it.

  413. eah 说:
    @anonym25

    So more or less a big ‘Oops!’ then (or maybe not, you never know with those guys) — yes, what’s a biowarfare attack without a little ‘blowback’, e.g. a 27x mortality rate on ‘your’ side (actually come to think of it, does the ‘Deep State’ have a side? — other than its own I mean — and it seems the Jews/Israel — it’s very difficult, impossible really, to see its activities as being in the interest of the US, not to mention the average American).

    It’s a dumb ‘thesis’.

    But re ‘comorbidity’, I suggest searching up a graphic showing national obesity rates worldwide, and comparing it to the countries with (allegedly) the highest COVID mortality rates.

  414. @Sean

    Special Forces operatives are not going to be murdered by their own side after an operation. I wonder how you formed your impression that they might?

    Do you realise that they exist in a community where everyone knows everyone else, and they are groomsmen at each others’ weddings and so on?

    They don’t live isolated lives. They have families. Group events. Play football together. Go adventurous training together. Gossip, a lot. Their wives all know each other. Commanders and subordinates are close friends. They aren’t going to be murdering each other; that is stupid.

  415. @chrimony

    That doesn’t make any sense. Why would you publish open research into bioweapons, and not only that, fund said research with your adversaries? Do you think anything through, or have you turned that hammer you’ve been wielding in search of nails on your brain?

    I take them at their word, that they think they’re trying to do good by getting ahead of the next SARS or MERS. But in this case they ended up creating it without any advance benefit — as was warned about.

    I have agreed with some of your comments, but I will have to disagree here. You are the one who are not thinking things through. It’s called dual-use technology. Or do you think they have separate research labs for medical and military researches, respectively? Furthermore, judging from the complete irrelevancy of that dangerous “preventive” research to the response to this pandemic, we have to infer that military use is the sole purpose of those experiments, and medical use is just a cover. Scientists doing it are just not-so-innocent tools.

    The issues you raise (publication, foreign funding) are interesting and complex and in fact they are at the forefront of debate now. We all want to know why and how those things are done. It’s astonishing that Peter Daszak continues to be funded; I for one wouldn’t trust him with 5 bucks to buy a cup of coffee in the corner shop.

    • 回复: @chrimony
  416. gay troll 说:
    @Bombercommand

    Correlation is not causation my friend.

    • 回复: @Bombercommand
  417. @Ron Unz

    Absent strong public health measures, Covid infections tend to double every 3-5 days so if Wuhan hospitals had been overflowing in Sept/Oct, tens of millions of Chinese would have been infected by the end of the year, rather than the few dozen or so detected cases.

    The 2019 Wuhan Military games were from Oct 18-27. The Wuhan lockdown occurred on Jan. 23. Hubei shortly thereafter. According to your thesis, that’s an ~ 85-100 day period of spread. Conservatively, 85/3= 28.3. 2^28.3 > 330 million. Not likely. 85/5=17. 2^17=131,072. Assuming 20 (?) initial infections ===> ~ 2,600,000 infections by Jan. 23. Even with a strict lockdown in Wuhan another doubling could be expected. So ~ 5,200,000 infections and only 4,000 deaths. Again, not likely as the IFR is too low. Furthermore, with a 3-5 day doubling period, could China have really stamped out the disease on a national basis given a 2.5 month period of spread? For those reasons and a few others, I’ve been using a 7 day doubling period.

    Just thoughts. The numbers change massively based on the assumptions. Who can say for sure?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  418. French translation of this Post :

    Les États-Unis ont fabriqué la bio-arme Covid et l’ont d’abord disséminée en Chine et en Iran. Ils ont contaminé le Monde

    « …..nous nous retrouvons avec la forte probabilité que Covid provienne d’un laboratoire (et) a été conçu comme une arme biologique… La Chine était la cible visée (et) l’Amérique semble la source probable de l’attaque… Les suspects les plus probables pourraient être des éléments voyous de notre établissement de sécurité nationale… Le virus et ses dispositifs de dispersion pourraient avoir été obtenus de Ft. Detrick et des agents de la CIA… auraient été envoyés à Wuhan pour le libérer. » Ron Unz, rédacteur en chef de The Unz Review ; [1]

    Plus d’infos » https://numidia-liberum.blogspot.com/2021/06/les-etats-unis-ont-fabrique-la-bio-arme.html

  419. anonym25 说:
    @Sean

    I know it sounds crazy but I agree with your conclusion. As Yoichi Shimatsu has said, this virus was also meant to wipe out the special elite forces participating in this event. This means those who released this bioweapon didn’t participate.

    The US did participate and Canada as well in those games. But we know that both countries had biolabs that developped this virus. We could assume as well the US (the deep state not Trump) and Canada were in cahoots with those who weren’t there.

    https://rense.com/general96/how-cov-biowar-by-japan-uk-israel-hit-the-world-military-games-part-12.php

    Here is a youtube video link and a link to New Rebel web site where the Canadian military delegation was pretty much on its own with this virus back in november 2019.

    http://www.rebelnews.com/covid_coverup_trudeau_govt_helped_china_hide_origins_of_covid_19

    However, they make the mistake of believing that Trudeau was covering up this whole affair for China.

  420. @Supply and Demand

    You don’t appreciate the fun that can be had chanting “Death to the King and Queen” and “Down with the British” with a bunch of Indians and Africans on Independence Day.

    • 谢谢: gay troll
    • 回复: @Supply and Demand
  421. @Ron Unz

    “I’m no expert on biowarfare”

    “I’d assume”

    “I think…”

  422. @Ron Unz

    如果您不考虑西班牙、意大利的污水调查结果或美国西北部疗养院居民的死亡情况,这将起作用。

  423. @Triteleia Laxa

    I don’t think you understand…correction. You don’t understand. Lol

  424. 仍在研究与 SARS-CoV-2 类似的病毒:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1

    COVID-19 大流行的许多未解决问题包括 SARS-CoV-2 的起源以及中间动物宿主在早期动物对人传播中的潜在作用。 在中国发现的RaTG13蝙蝠冠状病毒表明蝙蝠起源的可能性很高。 在这里,我们报告了在东南亚蝙蝠中活跃传播的 SARS-CoV-2 相关冠状病毒 (SC2r-CoVs) 的分子和血清学证据。 从泰国洞穴中的五只独立蝙蝠 (Rhinolophus acuminatus) 获得全基因组序列,产生单个分离物(命名为 RacCS203),该分离物与在中国云南的 Rhinolophus malayanus 中发现的 RmYN02 分离物最相关。 在泰国南部一个野生动物检查站的同一殖民地的蝙蝠和穿山甲中也检测到了 SARS-CoV-2 中和抗体。 尽管 RacCS02 或 RmYN2 的 RBD 未能结合 ACE203,但针对 RmYN02 的受体结合域 (RBD) 产生的抗血清能够交叉中和 SARS-CoV-2。 尽管该病毒的起源仍未解决,但我们的研究将基因多样性 SC2r-CoV 的地理分布从日本和中国扩展到了 4800 公里范围内的泰国。 迫切需要跨境监测以发现 SARS-CoV-2 的直接祖病毒。

    当然,有可能有人使用蝙蝠冠状病毒作为他们制造生化武器的起点。

    • 回复: @Sean
  425. Tom Welsh 说:

    伊朗绝不是“在中国的世界另一端”。 它最近的边境距离库姆大约 2,000 公里——世界的另一边大约有 20,000 公里。

    中国到库姆的距离和纽约到堪萨斯城的距离差不多。

    • 回复: @Hannibal Genseric
  426. 更多的证据表明它可能真的从蝙蝠跳到了人类:

    https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3001115

    2002/2003 年第一次 SARS 病毒爆发,造成大约 8,000 人感染,2003 年底再次爆发,造成 4 人感染,与广东省市场上的喜马拉雅棕榈果子狸和貉有关 [7,8]。 后来,很明显,虽然这些动物可能是向人类传播的渠道,但它们并不是真正的病毒储存库 [9]。 随后,广泛的监测工作确定了在中国马蹄蝠中传播的相关病毒,其中一些可以在人体细胞中复制 [10,11]。 与 SARS-CoV 最密切相关的蝙蝠病毒(为清楚起见,以下简称 SARS-CoV-1)可以与人血管紧张素转换酶(hACE2,SARS-CoV-2 受体也用于细胞进入)结合,而需要添加宿主蛋白酶来切割 Spike 蛋白,然后它才能结合 hACE2 以用于测试的更多样化的蝙蝠病毒(S1 图)[12]。 产生这种强大病原体所需的两个关键变化,即特异性受体结合域序列和插入的弗林蛋白酶裂解位点,都可以追溯到蝙蝠冠状病毒 [6,13–15]。 总的来说,这些结果表明,与大多数其他 RNA 病毒不同,它们在切换到新的宿主物种后获得适应 [16,17] 以实现有效复制和传播,正如 SARS-CoV-2 所展示的那样,Sarbecoviruses 已经频繁传播在蝙蝠物种中 [18]——可以利用其 ACE2 结合能力的通用特性,促进非蝙蝠物种的成功感染,包括人类。 SARS-CoV-1 和 SARS-CoV-2 之间的主要区别在于后者对 hACE2 的结合亲和力增加 [19],从而可以更有效地利用人体细胞和上呼吸道,并且平均而言,严重程度较低,但矛盾的是——由于更多的感染——更高的疾病负担。

  427. gay troll 说:
    @Bombercommand

    Probable cause is a documented containment breach at Fort Detrick’s BSL 3/4 laboratories. You know, something we have 证据 for. Not your facile leaps of imagination.

    I ask you again: do you think the Chinese have access to viruses that the U.S. does not? That’s the only reason to favor a 假想 breach on Chinese soil over a 记录 breach on U.S. soil.

    Your theory also makes it purely coincidental that SARS CoV 2 appeared in Wuhan just in time for Lunar New Year travel. The timing of SARS CoV 2’s appearance suggests it was spread deliberately. As does the Event 201 exercise, which modeled a global pandemic of a highly infectious SARS variant on the same day that the Military Games began in Wuhan.

  428. Sean 说:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Like all known naturally occurring B coronaviruses in the wild, RmYN02 could not unlock human cells. The famous mineshaft’s RaTG13 couldn’t either, and never caused disease in humans so was forgotten about until that capability was acquired by their cousin the Covid-19 pathogen . Baric says it certainly was not acquired through a pangolin.

  429. chrimony 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    t’s called dual-use technology. Or do you think they have separate research labs for medical and military researches, respectively?

    Of course they do/did:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Biological_Warfare_Laboratories
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-government-tests-deadly-chemical-warfare-agents-utah-2019-10

    Furthermore, judging from the complete irrelevancy of that dangerous “preventive” research to the response to this pandemic, we have to infer that military use is the sole purpose of those experiments, and medical use is just a cover.

    That scientific research fails to meet its goals is par for the course. It’s the success stories that make the news.

    The issues you raise (publication, foreign funding) are interesting and complex and in fact they are at the forefront of debate now.

    It’s only “complex” if you insist on believing the ridiculous idea that bioweapon research would be published and shared/funded with adversaries.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  430. @Boomthorkell

    If the African Africans don’t celebrate Juneteenth, they’re racist.

    • 回复: @Boomthorkell
  431. gay troll 说:

    You have to hand it to these “biodefense” assholes. Claiming to protect us from future emergent viruses by creating those viruses here and now. Maybe they can also learn how to defend against nuclear holocaust by creating new nuclear holocaust technology? What could possibly go wrong?

    The future of humanity revolves around these simple truths: if it can be done, it will be done. And if it can’t be done, it is liable to be faked.

  432. @chrimony

    Thank you for the links. Perhaps things aren’t as murky as I supposed, but I doubt it.

    That scientific research fails to meet its goals is par for the course. It’s the success stories that make the news.

    Well, you had sounded as though you were against gain-of-function research. But now you seem to have a nuanced position on dangerous research. Perhaps you are favorable to visiting bats in their caves and bringing all those lovely viruses to the lab? It’s not clear to me what kind of virus research you advocate.

    It’s only “complex” if you insist on believing the ridiculous idea that bioweapon research would be published and shared/funded with adversaries.

    No, it is complex. Take the Ron Fouchier affair in 2013 (commenter Iris linked to his article in her comment #319), for example. The Dutch government and Fouchier didn’t see eye-to-eye on this matter in 2013.

    Flu Researcher Ron Fouchier Loses Legal Fight Over H5N1 Studies
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/09/flu-researcher-ron-fouchier-loses-legal-fight-over-h5n1-studies

    • 回复: @chrimony
  433. gay troll 说:

    Just realized we have both a “Mark Hunter” and a “John Fisher” active on the threads. All that’s missing is a Matthew Trapper and a Luke Skywalker.

  434. Skeptikal 说:
    @RobinG

    嗯。

    没有

    Some actually are interested in grammatical speech.

    ” because fools like I know it” = classic mistake where the pronoun is treated like the subject of the verb “know” instead of the object of the preposition, in this case “like.”

    “Like” is not a conjunction.

    The actual subject of the verb is “Fools.”

    Fools like me know that!

    Pettifog away.

    • 回复: @Liza
  435. @Triteleia Laxa

    Special Forces operatives are not going to be murdered by their own side after an operation.

    This is a classic case of “they wouldn’t do that”, based on attributing one’s own value-set to “they”.

    Remember the Liberty? “They” weren’t going to murder the “operatives” after an operation, the planned murder of the “operatives” was the operation.

    And remember the alleged “assassination” of Osama bin Laden by Seal Team Six? Never mind that Pakistani news reporting has blown that lie out of the water, what happened to Seal Team Six (ie, the “operatives”) after the fact? (Hint – a helicopter was shot down in Afghanistan). Even (and perhaps most importantly) the “operatives” families aren’t satisfied with the cover story fed to them for little incident.

    If you think anyone, especially military “operatives”, are safe from the predations of Empire, and even from two-bit wannabes way down the food chain, you’re sadly mistaken.

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  436. Skeptikal 说:
    @John Fisher

    Also, why does it have to be a virus that causes the “pandemic”?

    Seems like the notion of a virus is ready and waiting on the shelf—-perhaps from the HIV chapter of recent history? The word now has so much baggage that I can’t help wondering whether it, too, hasn’t been weaponized.

    Why can’t it be a bacterial infection?

    I thought that quite a lot of controversy surrounding the so-called Spanish flu concerned the issue of whether the millions of deaths really were caused by the virus, or by a secondary bacterial infection.

    In the case of covid-19, too, there is now considerable speculation that the real damage (second and third phases as described by practicing physicians) is caused by the spike proteins, not the virus itself.

    The new definition seems to prime the public to accept increasing demonization of viruses and draconian social control measures to combat the new “enemy”—a virus, fer chrissakes.

  437. Iris 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    In fact, your whole hypothesis relies on there being no way of distinguishing a rogue operation from a regularly authorized one. No safety valve in the system. I’m not sure I can accept that.

    The contemporary history of the USA is actually choke-a-block full with unbelievably impactful “rogue” operations, which were certainly not “authorised” by the country’s legal authorities, but took place nonetheless.

    Three main examples come to mind: the assassination of President Kennedy, the attack on the USS Liberty, and last but not least, the cynical detonation of two high-rise building with 3000 people inside.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  438. Iris 说:
    @thotmonger

    The Fukushima tragedy was completely 预防的.
    It only happened because greedy and incompetent 官僚 decided they were smarter than the engineers who begged them for years to re-locate the emergency generators to prevent them being washed away by an inevitable tsunami.

    Just like the Covid19 catastrophe was most probably caused by a group of lunatic imperialists who thought that they can control the world.

    There are matters much more real than the “WIV lab leak” going on at the moment, yet nobody mentions them in our blessed democracies.

    • 同意: d dan, emersonreturn
    • 不同意: thotmonger
    • 回复: @thotmonger
  439. chrimony 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    Well, you had sounded as though you were against gain-of-function research.

    I am. 100%.

    But now you seem to have a nuanced position on dangerous research.

    No, I can 承认 the argument scientists make when they advocate for gain-of-function research. I still think it’s incredibly foolish. In a perfect world where leaks will never happen, it makes sense. But there’s a long history of humans being incredibly bad at designing and following procedures to prevent such leaks.

    Perhaps you are favorable to visiting bats in their caves and bringing all those lovely viruses to the lab? It’s not clear to me what kind of virus research you advocate.

    That’s not gain-of-function research. Gain-of-function research is taking what exists in nature and making it more pathogenic to humans. Is it valuable cataloging all the viruses that exist out in nature? Does it contain more risk than benefit? I’m not sure about that one. But what I can say is that doing research on dangerous pathogens, gain-of-function or not, in the middle of a city is insanely foolish. Researchers put their own convenience ahead of the safety of humanity.

    No, it is complex. Take the Ron Fouchier affair in 2013 (commenter Iris linked to his article in her comment #319), for example. The Dutch government and Fouchier didn’t see eye-to-eye on this matter in 2013.

    What I meant by it not being complex is that you didn’t have to try and square the circle of why a national government would be doing bioweapon research in public and funding their adversaries to boot: “Let’s fund China to create a deadly bioweapon, so that we could use it against them!”

    What’s “complex” in the publish versus restrict argument is that some scientists think nothing is off the table, no matter how dangerous. That Dutch paper is 究竟 the kind of gain-of-function research that should be 禁止, not just restricted from being published. It’s insanely dangerous.

    If you want to combat novel viruses, do research that attacks the root, and come up with solutions that will work against a large family of viruses, so you don’t need to create novel and insanely dangerous viruses in the lab.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  440. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Yeah. The only ones that know the truth are commenting anonymously on the UNZ Review.

    • 哈哈: Sean
    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  441. Incitatus 说:
    @Ron Unz

    “完全有可能出于自负的原因,我完全误解了我从各种记者和学者那里收到的看似支持的私人笔记。 例如,在发表我之前的文章后,一位杰出的学者给我发了一条简短的说明:”
    “这绝对是一个绝妙的逻辑。 你说服了我。”
    “也许他只是出于礼貌,我只是看到了我想看到的。”

    卑鄙的“伞形”配得上 Uriah Heep。 太棒了 Unz 先生!

    小心识别“杰出学者”?

    完全的同理心。 前几天收到一位知名博学者的消息:“马是自切片面包以来最好的东西。” 当然,谦虚禁止披露。

    David Brooks 和 Adrian Wooldridge 的部分令人印象深刻,但正如你所说,你的“大精英文章”是 2012 年。九年前。 他们是否考虑过你最近的想法? 或者,有些人可能会画它们,你的噩梦?

    “显然,对中国(和伊朗)的异常鲁莽的生物战攻击最终导致超过 600,000 万美国人死亡的理论对于许多人来说是一个有点过于‘敏感’的话题,无法自由讨论。”

    也许是因为它显然是不真实的?

    仅仅是一个想法。

    “几年后,不少备受推崇的学者和记者愿意为我发表的论文集提供一些非常慷慨的简介”

    您依靠“备受推崇的学者和记者”来获得自尊吗? 你的存在多么短暂!

  442. Pretty compelling argument, and what adds to the credibility of the claims is the fact that the dishonest media is claiming the opposite.

    Another coincidence was the swine flu and the chicken flu that had China struggling to keep up with food demand.

    I appreciate the article, tired of the “Chine bad” bots.

  443. @Johnny Rico

    The only ones that know the truth are commenting anonymously on the UNZ Review.

    Well there’s a non-sequitur (?) worthy of examination.

    In this case, the implied conclusion doesn’t follow the premise, because the premise itself is false.

    (Perhaps someone better versed in logical semantics could refine this construct).

    In any case, the truth (or controversial allegations, as the mood suggests) is hardly confined to the Unz Review – anyone who thinks that it is, probably should consider expanding their purview.

    I’m quite sure that the Pakistani reporters and news service didn’t first consult the Unz Review to ascertain the facts surrounding the alleged assassination of Osama bin Laden in the Abottabad compound (before his “burial at sea”, for crying out loud). Being investigative journalists, they went there in person and interviewed the locals to find out what actually happened.

    https://thesaker.is/pakistan-tv-report-contradicts-us-claim-of-bin-ladens-death/

    [更多]

    Let’s cut to the chase here – are we really going to imply that the allegation that Israel deliberately attacked the Liberty with the intention to sink the boat and kill all crew, with the complicity of the most senior members of the American government, is a figment of the imagination of anonymous Unz Review posters?

    Did the survivors of the Liberty atrocity consult first with the Unz Review before deciding to finally come out and give their testimonials to the truth of the event?

    Rather than prompt cynical dismissal in conformance with the official narrative, the case of the Liberty in particular should be cause for alarm at the government’s complete impunity and disregard for the lives of its own servicemen.

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/gmQzxtB5aC5g/

    And this, of course, leads back to my original observation – those who believe that anyone, especially military employees, are safe from the predations of Empire, are sadly mistaken.

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  444. @Iris

    Three main examples come to mind: the assassination of President Kennedy, the attack on the USS Liberty, and last but not least, the cynical detonation of two high-rise building with 3000 people inside.

    But surely if we know those were rogue operations, a field agent in Wuhan in October 2019 would know today with an even greater certainty that he took part in a rogue operation. That means he is not to be trusted with that secret, unless he was in on the plot from the get-go.

    Furthermore, the Kennedy and 9/11 alternate hypotheses are only seductive because the official stories have implausible points. So, for enemies of the lab leak hypothesis to be effective, they have to find an argument from implausibility against it. I don’t know any such argument. I was for a brief while persuaded by an argument from Robert F. Garry, but by reading the replies to it, it becomes clear that it has problems and is not all that persuasive. Furthermore, it’s an argument for natural spillover, not for a bioattack. Here’s the article:

    在武汉不同的野生动物市场中,SARS-CoV-2的两个不同基因组谱系的早期出现表明SARS-CoV-2具有自然起源
    https://virological.org/t/early-appearance-of-two-distinct-genomic-lineages-of-sars-cov-2-in-different-wuhan-wildlife-markets-suggests-sars-cov-2-has-a-natural-origin/691

    What Ron Unz keeps repeating is that there is no evidence for a lab leak, which is a completely different argument from saying it is implausible or that it couldn’t cause a pandemic. And that argument is easily countered with the strong possibility that China has hidden that evidence.

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Sean
    , @Iris
  445. @chrimony

    OK, I think I understand your position better now, and agree with most of it (bat caves should still be off limits though).

  446. Ron Unz 说:
    @Herd Stupidity

    Furthermore, with a 3-5 day doubling period, could China have really stamped out the disease on a national basis given a 2.5 month period of spread? For those reasons and a few others, I’ve been using a 7 day doubling period.

    Sure. The 3-5 day doubling period is just approximate, based upon later estimates before local lockdowns. Another crucial factor is that it only really applies once Covid becomes substantially present in a given community, e.g. once a local hospital is overflowing with patients. Apparently, many individuals don’t infect anyone else, while a small fraction are super-spreaders and account for most infections. So at the very early stages, the rate of growth may be fairly low until enough are infected that statistics take over and the increase becomes exponential. This had been discussed in considerable detail in earlier threads.

    As I’ve said, taking all these factors into account, most experts believe that Patient Zero in Wuhan was infected in late Oct/early Nov based upon the later course of the outbreak. But a widespread local outbreak as early as Sept/Oct would seem almost impossible. That’s why that Harvard report is almost certainly bogus.

    • 回复: @Herd Stupidity
  447. denk 说:

    The murderers of Milosevic is back with vengeance.

    [更多]

    Their ambition this time,
    nothing less than …
    汉族大屠杀。

    Already you see Chinese singled out for attack all across 五位骗子 景观。

    谎言最犯规……
    中国病毒
    UIghurs genocide
    TAM ‘massacre’ commemoration
    [sobs have been regurgitating the same lie every 4/6]

    图表A.

    One witness, Qelbinur Sidik, alleged that in the female concentration camp where she was teaching detainees her professional subject, Mandarin Chinese, which must have been useless to the detainees, she estimated the presence of 8,000 to 10,000 women prisoners. All the women were according to her raped by the guards on a nightly basis and consequently were unable to sit up straight in her class

    It does get my blood boils.
    I’d like to get my hands on the rapists 那些 serial lying sobs.

    The same ones who’r now doing their damnedest to nail the chicom on SARS2

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/06/16/geoffrey-nices-road-show-vindicates-our-prognosis/

    http://www.walterlippmann.com/docs494.html

  448. @Brás Cubas

    An argument from implausibility is staring us in the face. Those peddling the WIV lab leak hypothesis are the US Right (ie both political parties), the Zionazis, the Pompeo ‘liars, thieves and cheaters’, the Western fakestream media presstitute vermin, and various, nefarious, running-chihuahuas of the Real Evil Empire. That is the usual scum, liars, hypocrites and thugs to a man and feminazi. They are baying for ‘consequences’ for China and ‘reparations’ of trillions, and they are Evil, undead, psychopaths. Ergo the WIV lab leak theory, absent concrete evidence, must be regarded as a genocidal lie.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  449. @Bombercommand

    Actually, in your case, it’s called race hatred.

  450. @Bombercommand

    BC, you’re one of the numerous, fascist, Sinophobe racists infesting public life in the West, who twist everything in your perverted psyche in order to blame the Chinese you hate because they are so much better than you and have created a society so superior to the decaying sewer of the USA that it is quite funny. All you Yankee Doodle racists have left are the ways and means of and lust for genocidal aggression, in which you are truly ‘Exceptional’.

  451. Sean 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    While in agreement with what you say about plausibility, I think the assumptions about conspiracy that one begins examining the concrete facts with is as important than whether there are troubling details inconsistent with a non-conspiratorial explanation. The essence of science is to produce an explanation that is simplifying reality, rather than overfitting to the the data.

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2020/06/how-to-tell-science-from-pseudoscience.html Usually that is because the model captures certain patterns in the data, and any kind of pattern is a simplification. If we have such a model, we say it “explains” the data. Or at least part of it. One of the best historical examples for this is astronomy. Astronomy has been all about finding patterns in the motions of celestial objects. And once you know the patterns, they will, quite literally, connect the dots. Visually speaking, a scientific model gives you a curve that connects data points.

    Hence a proper hypothesis will always have to ignore points that are out of line. In 2002, the Royal Astronomer Martin Rees offered a bet that a million people would die in a bio error or bio terror event by 2020. Steven Pinker took him up on it, and I think Rees is going to lose because no one wants to admit what happened. The science is what actual flesh and blood scientists say it is

    I agree about Garry, although an article published in China by Bejiing and Wuhan doctors said the first three covid-19 patients were in very early December and not connected to the wet market, these may, or may not be be the three sick workers from Shi’ Wuhan Virology Institute . Garry appears to be totally convinced the Covid-19 pathogen had never been in a lab 因为 it was not manufactured, yet given it hadn’t been engineered, that it had never been in Shi’s Wuhan virology institute does not follow at 所有. Shi was going into the wild and bringing back bat coronaviruses for study at the Wuhan institute, where she also had live bats. It is vitally necessary to understand that since 2004, Shi and her team had been scouring China looking for a coronavirus naturally presenting a possible pandemic danger to humans, so an escape of one of these from her lab in a infected worker (who might have caught it off of of a wild bat on of the sampling expeditioner or a lab bat) is perfectly respectable.

    The Chinese and American governments, their agencies and scientists in general were fine with what Shi was doing, and she made no secret of it. A proper investigation giving weight to whether such propinquity (8miles) of an institute acquiring and studying wild bat coronaviruses for pandemic potential to what we are led to believe is the known ground zero of an actual pandemic of just such a virus is opening a can of worms for all governments and scientists. American officials have been directed to not investigate a lab leak. It would make Trump look far wiser than Fauci, and that would never do.

    After Labor columnist Victor Riesel was blinded in an acid attack order by racketeer Johnny Dio he had the acid thrower killed and then had those who’d killed him killed themselves. Their kind are ten a penny; why leave witnesses who might flip and give you up. Alive they would be a time bomb. Going on the assumption of a very sophisticated and deliberate salting of the Wuhan population with a weaponized virus. The planners of the operation would have have a precise schedule for the course of the outbreak and they would not just have taken the chance of it dying out though lack of circulation of the infected, so there would be number of patient zeros infected at public places to kick start the pandemic.

    The reason for choosing Wuhan as the ground zero was 100% to frame the Wuhan Virology Institute, and that could be done at any time, unless the conspiracy only had access to a tiny group of operators who were going to Wuhan anyway. I know this was a rogue operation but it got ahold of a bioweapon which might be less well guarded than a nuclear weapon, but this one was made to order so it could be used to frame the Chinese and these the US scientist would know it could only have one purpose, so they’d have to believe that were working on an authorized chain of command project, and be liquidated before the pandemic. I think that the games were not connected to the biowarfare attack at all. The ultimate objective of framing China for the pandemic, which Wade has helped them attain , is to show that China does not have a better model, and cooperation with or transfer to them over sensitive technology is a mistake. China has been discredited by this episode, and the outsourcing to them is going to begin reversing.

    对于即将到来的战斗,我们需要从 COVID-19 侦探过渡到 CCP-Hunters。 清除美国中共特工的害虫侵扰将与打倒北京的中共分不开。 搜索他们的推文,链接到其他网站、同事和关系。 pic.twitter.com/yUHJudR3S3— 劳伦斯·塞林博士 (@LawrenceSellin) 18年2021月XNUMX日

    • 巨魔: d dan
    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  452. Avianthro 说:

    首先,韦德的文章并不能证明病毒是实验室制造的。 它只是表明它更有可能是在实验室中制造的,而不是通过自然机制进化而来的。 因此,它也表明自然起源理论是不确定的,但它并没有表明它是不可能的或完全未经证实的。 请仔细重读一两篇韦德的文章。

    其次,是不是很难相信计划这次行动的美国流氓没有考虑或可能不在乎病毒会传播回来,也会对美国经济造成适得其反的后果? 他们是否对这个情节的其他方面进行了如此深入的思考,却没有预见到这一点?

    第三,现在很明显,我们在基因工程进化生物学方面的科学状态仍然相当缺乏……有些现象尚未完全观察或理解。 大自然仍然有我们不了解的诡计,我们也不完全了解我们自己的诡计可能产生的结果。

    现在,无可否认,媒体似乎开始接受意外释放和中国疏忽的理论,这确实看起来很有趣。 如果人们希望将注意力从 Unz 所倡导的可能性上转移开,那是一种很好的旋转方式,不是吗? 好吧,也许绘图员现在很幸运,但是,正如 Unz 解释的那样,他们的运气将在这些日子的某一天耗尽,因为这种情况得到了深思熟虑。

    就我个人而言,我仍然认为自然起源理论尚未得到充分研究,现在对这两种可能性断言还为时过早。 我还建议,如果这是一种生物武器,它很可能既不是来自美国也不是来自中国,而是来自非政府组织或除这两者之外的其他政府。 让我们考虑一下谁会从这次事件中受益,而不用担心它对美国或中国的损害,无论对任何一方造成什么损害,谁都会领先。 这难道不就像一个可能由全球精英组成的阴谋集团,他们拥有比政府更大的金融业务,并且有能力操纵和控制政府政策? 正如人们可以想象政府保护伞下的流氓行动一样,人们也可以想象他们在非政府保护伞下进行。

  453. John_Z 说:

    错误。 The title ought to be like this:
    The Covid-19 Bioweapon: Made by American & Chinese Jewry (yes, Chinese Jewry exists too) , Aimed at Europe & West and at the rest of the world as a Final Solution of Goyim Question in the project of taking over the planet by bloodthirsty, psychopathic Jews. The next world hegemon after fall of the USA will be China, under full political and economic control of Jews, which exists there since the Opium Wars, communist revolution and neoliberal revolution lately.

  454. grr 说:
    @Big Daddy

    Not just in Nth America, almost every continent has Lyme now.

  455. cranc 说:
    @Iris

    交通能源的未来似乎是取代石油的氢燃料电池。

    氢燃料电池是一种能源 存储 技术,它们不能替代作为能源的石油 资源. 这种理解上的错误背后隐藏着许多来自中国系统爱好者的虚假乐观。
    中国风控社会方兴未艾 因为 没有油的等效替代品。 不是核能,也不是太阳能,也不是天然气,也不是我们拥有的任何东西。 这意味着将不可避免地收缩所带来的一切。 金融和政治精英希望效仿并与中国最先进的那种技术官僚一党国家社会控制体系接轨,因为石油时代的那种自由主义已经走到了尽头。 控制论系统将迅速扩展,目的是控制长期下降到后石油世界——人口减少、技术极端主义、配给、新封建主义。
    进步之神死了。
    接下来这个:
    http://dissident-mag.com/2021/06/07/jbs-meat-hack-cyber-pandemic-fud-and-the-great-reset/

    • 回复: @Iris
  456. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    That is not correct. If those persons stated (as they probably believe) that things do not fall upwards, would you consider gravity implausible too?

  457. RRTV 说:

    The idea that China had nothing to do with the leak is retarded. Why Unz goes out of his way to defend China is suspect. American elites if not global elites are in love with communist China and have ignored China’s anti-liberal attitude and actions more and more. The main reason is economic, the neo-liberal elites want China to be part of the economic world and have no problem ignoring their own hippy ideals in order to create their globalist system. Trudeau, Obama’s lackeys, etc all seem to be in love with Mao for some reason. The neo liberal homosexual agenda is not intended to interfere with business negotiations, it’s intended as a means to control western nations. Power is the name of the game. Why do you think China had few cases of the virus. It’s because that was the deal. China was supposed to be the credible release point just as it was with SARS. In exchange for being the release point China would be little effected by the virus since the goal was for the virus to arrive in the west. The pandemic in the west would make it possible for the societal change these globalist organizations wanted. Virus exercises from 2019 like crimson contagion and Event 201 are evidence of what the elites wanted for 2020. These same elites wanted air traffic not to be changed by the pandemic in other words they wanted countries to stay open to spread the virus. The view that some people have on here in supporting China is probably because they have a taste for Asian women or Asian culture. Two things that are made up by our multicultural promoting media. These simps ignore the connections between China and the west and think the west just wants to conquer China which is a impossible task by the way. Lets not forget Bill Gates and most other moguls who recommended doing the same actions as China last year. For being China hating elites they seem to agree with Unz a lot. I’m not saying China is the only culprit, what I’m saying is that our government along with China are the culprits as well as most western governments. It’s man vs totalitarianism and people are just supposed to be serfs. As for war with China. It will be a sham war. US generals will lead their forces to defeat or deadlock because our elites don’t want victory over China they want to distribute military power in some sort of globalist super commitee ala great reset. America is supposed to be kicked down a notch.

    • 回复: @anonym25
    , @Sean
  458. Tucker 说:

    关于构成现代美国所谓的“统治精英”阶层的大多数的恶魔般邪恶、精神错乱的精神病患者的理论,他们会屈服于创造然后故意释放一种最低限度致命的病毒——要么针对中国,要么针对他们让我分享一下臭名昭著的、现在很快被遗忘的新美国世纪项目白皮书的摘录,最初是在克林顿政府期间由大部分但不完全是犹太以色列第一新保守主义者写的:

    https://www.wanttoknow.info/020907pnacprojectnewamericancentury

    PNAC
    新美国世纪计划

    “我暗示,尽管威胁要对伊拉克开战以开发大规模杀伤性武器,但美国可能会考虑在未来几十年内开发该国已禁止的生物武器。 它说:“新的攻击方法——电子的、‘非致命的’、生物的——将更广泛地使用……战斗可能会发生在新的维度,在太空、网络空间,也许还有微生物世界……先进的生物形式可以“针对”特定基因型的战争可能会将生物战从恐怖领域转变为政治上有用的工具”; ”

    所以,你去了。 用黑白拼写。 而且,这个网站在上面共享的链接中添加了这个奇怪的声明:

    “This is one of many documents on the 9/11 summary to have disappeared since the 想知道信息 site was established. The link to this article on the Sunday Herald website became inactive sometime in late 2006. Because this information appears to have disappeared, we provide the text of the article below. To see the original webpage from our archive, click here.”

    不幸的是,对于这些散布新保守主义战争的精神病患者来说,几乎不可能完全“消失”网络上可能有罪的信息——因为一旦文件在网上发布——数以百万计的新闻猎犬习惯于保存和下载 PNAC 白皮书等文件的副本,然后他们可以将它们上传到数百个新网站。

    • 谢谢: Iris
  459. anonym25 说:
    @RRTV

    They are not in love with China. They are just in love with the way the CCP controls China, because they want to import the same draconian social mesures. China is just a blueprint the elites have in store for us. China isn’t willfully foisting their social mesures onto others nor they don’t preach their system works for others.

    This biowarfare had the intention of destroying China. The fact that the virus appears out of nowhere before the Chinese New Year in a city where tens of millions of Chinese transit is a clear indication that this is an operation meant to cripple totally China. They used the Wuhan Military Games as the event to launch their biowarfare operation and use the Wuhan lab as the scapegoat. The fact that the Wuhan lab leak was first concocted by a Mossad agent, Dany Shoham, and later supported by a MI6 agent, sir Richard Dearlove who is also responsible of delivering fake proofs of Iraq’s WMD, is everything you need to know about this fake Wuhan lab leak theory.

    The problem is that China wasn’t forthcoming from the start where they could have shown their total support for an investigation and shaken off any suspicion. But as a commenter has said above, China knew they were on the receiving end of a biowarfare attack but they didn’t hit back because it would mean that they had to start a war over this. Instead, they pushed the bat and the pangolin myth.

    • 同意: Iris, acementhead
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  460. Iris 说:
    @cranc

    这种理解上的错误背后隐藏着许多来自中国系统爱好者的虚假乐观。

    理解上的错误是你的:更大的问题总是存储电能,而不是产生电能。

    生产清洁/低排放电能已经通过许多有效的方式完成,但是 大量储存 是不可能的,而且恢复起来很费时间。 后一点尤其影响运输业,因为车辆需要定期加油。 电动汽车的电池充电需要数小时,这对普遍使用来说是一个明显的障碍。

    氢燃料电池的使用完全解决了这个问题,因为用加压氢气填充罐将在与填充汽油罐相同的短时间内完成。
    用作燃料的氢远远超过了试验阶段:它已经成为中国战略发展计划的一部分,或者像空客这样的大公司。
    https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news/en/2021/06/green-hydrogen-ecosystem-for-aviation-explained.html

    氢将给全球经济带来一场革命,因为它将深刻改变能源和运输市场。 然而,这将需要建设一个庞大而密集的生产和分销网络。 由于其无与伦比的规划、资助和交付大型基础设施项目的能力,只有中国有能力提供这样的网络。

    Meanwhile, while China leads the way to a cleaner future, with less pollution and greater protection of the natural environment, your ZOG will continue excelling in the type of “technology” it is good at.

    你知道:在土壤中注入致癌物质以提取页岩燃料,玩工程病毒,用爆炸性子弹射击巴勒斯坦儿童,用白磷轰炸加沙集中营,无人机轰炸阿富汗葬礼和婚礼,试验聚变核热核也门和黎巴嫩平民的炸弹等等。

    鉴于全球领先的能源市场正在发生非凡的变化,并考虑到 中国领先于美国 in mastering, funding and building the energy transition technologies, the “Covid BioWeapon , Made in the USA, Aimed at China” 论文是完全有道理的。 实际上,这是唯一有意义的。

    • 回复: @cranc
  461. @Supply and Demand

    Africans, as in, in Africa, or visiting from Africa briefly for schoolwork purposes. Thus, all have meaningful, if separate, Independence Days but sharing the same Anti-British Empire wavelength.

    Good one, though.

  462. 来自 2017 年 PLOS 病原体:

    蝙蝠SARS相关冠状病毒的丰富基因库的发现为SARS冠状病毒的起源提供了新的见解

    ……此外,我们报告了首次在 ORF3b 以及分离的 ORF8a 和 8b 中发现与人类 SARS-CoV 高度相似的蝙蝠 SARSr-CoV。 此外,与其他地方检测到的菌株相比,来自该洞穴的 SARSr-CoV 菌株在非结构蛋白基因 ORF1a 和 1b 中与 SARS-CoV 的相关性更密切。 重组分析显示了这些 SARSr-CoV 之间 S 基因内和 ORF8 周围频繁重组事件的证据。 我们假设 SARS-CoV 的直接祖先可能起源于这些 SARSr-CoV 前体之间的连续重组事件。 细胞进入研究表明,三个新发现的具有不同 S 蛋白序列的 SARSr-CoV 都能够使用人类 ACE2 作为受体,进一步展示了该洞穴中的菌株与 SARS-CoV 之间的密切关系。 …

    这似乎为 SARS-CoV-2 以某种方式从蝙蝠转移到人类提供了支持,但不排除它在某个地方得到了某些人的帮助的可能性。

  463. Liza 说:
    @Skeptikal

    “ ...fools like me know it” sounds better somehow, even if you don’t know the first thing about grammar.

    OTOH, “…fools such as I know it” does sound OK though I don’t know how to analyze the grammar here. What do you think? I do think that “like” is mis-used quite often when “such as” sounds better.

  464. Rico 说:

    There’s a hole in this theory (which btw,I also subscribe to)
    Z0G knew that the virus would eventually wreak havoc in the West too..

    What’s the point of releasing a virus on your enemy if you suffer similar losses yourself?

    • 回复: @Iris
  465. Yee 说:

    anonym25,

    “They are not in love with China. They are just in love with the way the CCP controls China,…… China is just a blueprint the elites have in store for us.”

    I don’t think so… The US ruling class already has the most sophisticated system to control a soceity. They can sell you anything and people will buy all of it.

    There’s no way the US ruling class want to give up such a powerful system.

  466. Iris 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    Furthermore, the Kennedy and 9/11 alternate hypotheses are only seductive because the official stories have implausible points

    I think that easy insight only comes with hindsight.

    It is quite easy for us today, to form very knowledgeable and pretty accurate opinions of what really happened during the JFK assassination and the 9/11 false flag attack, because we benefit from decades of research made by truth-seekers. We actually benefit from the existence of hard forensic and material evidence to form our opinion,.

    But it wasn’t so easy in the months following the considered events.
    First-rank actors like Robert Kennedy, or well-informed politicians like Charles de Gaulle, knew straightway that the “Oswald- lone-gunman” theory was bogus because of the political context around JFK’s assassination, but this was only obvious to them, thanks to their insider information or superior political insight . The public only realised this many years later.

    This is what the UR’s Covid19 articles are offering to its readers: an early 政治 analysis, not a forensic one, leading to a compelling and and well-argumented conclusion that the Covid19 pandemic possibly carries more than meets the eye.

    Conversely, the Trump and Biden administrations try to influence the global public by pretending to possess much stronger evidence, i.e. forensic and factual, while so far they haven’t presented any.

    Can you see why the first approach (political opinion with sound arguments) remains superior to the second (strong affirmation with no evidence whatsoever)? One says “I believe”, the other say “I know”, but is far less argumented.

    There exists no irrevocable factual evidence for the virus’ origin, natural or engineered, since competent biologists have been arguing either hypothesis for a year. Furthermore, if such evidence existed, it would have been consensually laid out in the WHO report.

    But that does not strop you from being ahead, and making political analysis. Like Charles de Gaulle and RFK did in their time.

    • 同意: Hughes
    • 回复: @Sean
  467. Yee 说:

    波多黎各,

    “Z0G knew that the virus would eventually wreak havoc in the West too..
    What’s the point of releasing a virus on your enemy if you suffer similar losses yourself?”

    But they didn’t know. The last 2, Sars and Mers, didn’t spread to the West.

    Even if this one spread back and cause the same losses, the impact would be drastically different in the 2 countries. While 500K death from Covid-19 didn’t stir a ripple in the US, it was intended to be a Chernobyl for China.

  468. Iris 说:
    @Rico

    There’s a hole in this theory (which btw,I also subscribe to)
    Z0G knew that the virus would eventually wreak havoc in the West too.

    There are indeed several other possibilities worth considering regarding the birth of the Covid19 pandemic:
    – an accidental leak in the US, that was contained and later put to “geopolitical good usage” in Wuhan.
    – an accidental leak in the US, that was possibly seized upon by the US’ best friend Israel, to fast-implement their geopolitical agenda.
    – a deliberate leak in the US, also somehow contained, to first run the virus into human population to optimise its genome, before deliberately seeding Wuhan.
    – a deliberate leak in the US, carried in low population-density areas, before seeding Wuhan.

    What’s the point of releasing a virus on your enemy if you suffer similar losses yourself?

    Either some incompetent NeoCons really believed China’s to be so efficient that it would stop the virus at its borders, once again.

    Or they really did not care about the pandemic spreading worldwide because this exceptional situation would provide justification to implement a new geopolitical agenda. The more we learn about future actions of the NATO block, the clearer things will become.

    One thing puzzles me for sure: I know that Public Health policies are gubernatorial responsibility in the USA. Still, I am amazed that the Democrats are 不能 blaming much President Trump’s lack of preparedness for the disastrous Covid19 outcome. How come they are not tearing him apart about this?

    Is it because Covid19 and the socio-economic measures it brings in its wake was the Democrats’ agenda all along?

  469. @Ron Unz

    most experts believe that Patient Zero in Wuhan was infected in late Oct/early Nov

    Yes, but I’m guessing their patient zero analyses are based on an animal to human transmission at the Wuhan market or a lab leak. In a bioweapon scenario, there likely wouldn’t be a single patient zero or even a single release. I’m guessing 50 infected on a given day, followed by one or two more releases on subsequent days. All at the same and/or nearby locations. So at least two orders of magnitude more than a single patient zero. Ventilation systems seem ideal in terms of secrecy and distribution. The Legionnaires’ disease outbreak in Philadelphia comes to mind.

    From what I can tell, the Chinese government genuinely did not understand that they were dealing with human to human transmission until mid January. Given their experience with SARS they acted decisively. Broadly speaking, I accept the Oct/Nov timeline and think you make a compelling case. I live just outside NYC so I have lots of anecdotal evidence about Covid and its spread. I can’t completely dismiss your super-spreader math/explanation though.

    Speaking of super-spreading events, the Soleimani funeral gatherings fit the bill. Reportedly, his remains went from Iraq to the Iranian cities of Ahvav, Mashad, Tehran, Qom and on to has resting place in Kerman. Huge gatherings in both Iraq and Iran, but only one of those countries had a subsequent outbreak.

  470. Sean 说:
    @RRTV

    A two term Trump would have failed because China cannot be beat economically; at the begining of the election year he cut a deal with Xi, and that was the writing on the wall for the inability of democratic consensus government of the US (dominated by a financial elite balls deep in China) to deal with a giant totalitarian dragon state. Constructor theory approach would clearly reveal a US Deep State bioweapon attack is not impossible or even unfeasible, because assuming they had concluded China had to have its wings clipped, the Deep State have the wherewithal. Given one has a starting point that the pandemic conceivably could have been an anti- China attack, the Jon Stewart “There’s been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Michigan” location, location location, obviousness is without force.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201004/free-will-is-real-its-mentalistic-not-mechanistic
    Suppose the pursuers know that the fugitive is likely to resort to location A with the highest probability (his home, say), B with less probability (his family perhaps), or C with less likelihood still (for example, acquaintances), and so on, […] If the fugitive thinks for a moment, he immediately realizes that the pursuers will think this. In other words, he becomes conscious of what they might do, … instantly sees that, wherever he goes, he is not free to visit A, almost certainly not B, and probably not C either. However, knowing that his pursuers cannot cover all possible refuges at one time, he might decide to go to some very improbable ones, say X, Y, or Z.

    The people launching the attack would have a theory of mind consideration. Beijing is too obvious, and Wuhan has the inestimable advantage of allowing the Chinese to be blamed and even blame themselves for the whole thing. But to make the Wuhan red herring work, a bat coronavirus would have to be used and the biowarfare people likely were not all that adept at making one with the proper transmissibility to keep it inside China. A frame up works by getting inside the head of investigators, so an incredibly small gap in space-time as in Wuhan would be the 必要条件 of a conspiracy. On a Conversations With History broadcast many years ago John Mearsheimer predicted that trade barrier efforts by America to slow down China’s trajectory to economic world supremacy would be made, but fail. Realist understand what follows from understanding China cannot be stopped by fair means entails using foul ones. Or surrendering on the stipulated terms as America is heading for under Biden.

    • 同意: anonym25
  471. Sean 说:
    @Iris

    It is quite easy for us today, to form very knowledgeable and pretty accurate opinions of what really happened during the JFK assassination

    President Kennedy had taken the world to the brink in the Cuba crisis, in which he humiliated the Soviets; then he was shot by someone who had been in the USSR and in contact with Cuban diplomat/ intel operatives. Liberals feared it was a little to much of a parallel with the origin of WW1, what with Oswald Soviet- Cuban association being the Serbian semi state terror assassins backed by Russia. There was a massive cover up for the aforementioned reason, but also partly to protect JFK’s reputation as RFK had been in charge of the JFK White House efforts to assassinate Castro. This brought it back to WW3 as Cuban leader had publicly threatened JFK that two could pay at the assassination game. President Kennedy came to power by alleging a missile gap and portraying Eisenhower as a tired old man letting the Soviets steal a march on America. After Biden we are going to get someone as dangerous to world peace as Kennedy was.

    Both France and America failed in Vietnam. America had already failed in Korea, which is why MacArthur advised Kennedy against another land war in Asia against a Chinese proxy (Vietnam). it has been China all along. Unless they were fresh enough to invade Japan, fighting China at sea is the only possible strategy now.

    There exists no irrevocable factual evidence for the virus’ origin, natural or engineered, since competent biologists have been arguing either hypothesis for a year. Furthermore, if such evidence existed, it would have been consensually laid out in the WHO report.

    We only know what we have been told by governments. They may each have their own reasons for wanting to keep quiet much of the totality of what they know. Avoiding WW3 would be a motive for debunking an engineered virus, as it increases the plausibility of a rogue element within the US Deep State starting the pandemic with a bioweapon. Liberals fear war above all so the scoffing at the possibility of a lab leak is an outer defencework against the US bioattack theory

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Skeptikal
  472. anonym25 说:

    For its fault, Trump was not a genocidalist, unlike the democrats since the development of this bioweapon was during the Obama administration. As you have pointed out relevantly, the Deep State knew it would be impossible to withstand China’s economic might using “fair” retaliatory mesures such as tariffs and sanctions and therefore decided to attack China with this bioweapon. Trump’s sanctions and tariffs haven’t been able to this day dent China’s economic growth, and even though they have slowed down China’s progress in the high tech sector, ultimately they would overcome this impasse with their high work ethics and millions of STEM undergraduates with a strong sense of national awareness.

    Trump knew the Dragon wouldn’t be stopped however he tried and that was not his intention either. He just wanted to recalibrate the trade flow between China and the US and he got his trade deal which would have assured his victory in the upcoming election. The Chinese, on their part, saw that their image was being tarnished and acquiesced to bring down their trade surpluses purposefully over a five year period. But, unfortunately the pandemic struck.

    The pandemic wasn’t meant at first to wreak that much damage to the US because the democrats had left a pandemic prevention playbook to Trump. However, Trump slashed this fund during his presidency for unknown reasons. Perhaps he was doing his best to contain the pandemics but this is pure speculation. The Deep State, however, saw this pandemic as an opportunity to eject Trump from his upcoming victory and Trump, instead, directed his anger at China because of their opacity to the inquiry over the coronavirus he had requested personally to Xi. The Chinese surely were not trusting Trump and American team of scientists since they figured they would play a foul turn on them. There was a total lack of trust between each other. And the Chinese did get the Russians in Wuhan to conduct an investigation back in february 2020.

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-06/Putin-ready-to-provide-assistance-to-help-China-fight-coronavirus-NR6OfF7uzm/index.html

    The Chinese made a terrible mistake by not allowing Trump have his investigation and win his election. Trump would have gotten his trade deal and left the Chinese alone; the Chinese would have easily ridden the economic wave and by 2024 their economy would have been completely unstoppable. China’s misjudgement was to consider Trump an enemy: he might have riled up a bit of anti-Chinese with tariffs but they were only meant to get the Chinese to sign his trade deal. Now China has a more formidable challenge ahead ready to invoke a war if they don’t yield to their demand with the democrats.

    • 回复: @Iris
  473. 以下声明来自 蝙蝠SARS相关冠状病毒的丰富基因库的发现为SARS冠状病毒的起源提供了新的见解 很有趣。

    使用我们之前为 WIV1 开发的反向遗传学技术 [23],我们构建了一组感染性细菌人工染色体 (BAC) 克隆,这些克隆具有 WIV1 的骨架和来自 8 种不同蝙蝠 SARSr-CoV 的 S 基因变体。

    这表明,早在 2016 年,他们就接近能够用其他病毒的零碎碎片构建一种新病毒(因为该论文于 2017 年初提交。

  474. annamaria 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You asked hard for that reminder: “The Pentagon Bio-weapons” http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

    美国陆军经常生产致命的病毒、细菌和毒素,直接违反了《联合国禁止生物武器公约》。 数十万不知情的人系统地暴露于危险的病原体和其他不治之症。 使用外交掩护的生物战科学家在全球 25 个国家的五角大楼生物实验室测试人造病毒。 这些美国生物实验室由国防威胁减少局 (DTRA) 根据一项 2.1 亿美元的军事计划——合作生物参与计划 (CBEP) 提供资金,位于格鲁吉亚和乌克兰等前苏联国家、中东、东南亚和非洲。

    The Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has outsourced much of the work under the military program to private companies, which are not held accountable to Congress, and which can operate more freely and move around the rule of law. …

    Numerous studies have been performed under the DTRA Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP) in a search for deadly pathogens of military importance in bats. …

    MERS-CoV is one of the viruses that have been engineered by the US and studied by the Pentagon, as well as Influenza and SARS. Confirmation of this practice is Obama’s 2014 temporary ban on government funding for such “dual-use” research. The moratorium was lifted in 2017 and experiments have continued.

    • 谢谢: Iris
  475. @Ron Unz

    Yuri Deigin 是俄罗斯人,也有一个俄语博客/网站。

    莫非俄罗斯也有可能?

  476. Iris 说:
    @Sean

    President Kennedy, who had made nuclear non-proliferation his life’s mission, was assassinated by Israel.

    In continuation with recommendations received by Eisenhower, JFK challenged Israel on their secret nuclear programme, which was technically provided by France, comprised a military-grade plutonium re-treatment facility, and was entirely dedicated to the production of nuclear weapons.

    JFK imposed an inspection of the Dimona reactor under construction. This inspection would have had inevitably revealed the facility’s nuclear weapon design intent.

    To dodge the bullet and save some time, Israeli PM Ben Gurion suddenly resigned out of the blue, and the Israelis secretly put in service their reactor in the summer 1963.

    JFK persisted and finally imposed a first inspection in December 1963, which would have inevitably revealed that the reactor had been operated without informing the Americans. This would have been the ultimate proof their intent to hide its military nature, and would have brought up American hellfire onto Israel.

    President Kennedy was assassinated 仅仅一个月 before he could discover this major betrayal of Israel, and major embarrassment to the US’ international commitments.

    President Kennedy was assassinated by Israel. All the rest is smokescreen to maintain the deception.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

    • 同意: anarchyst
  477. cranc 说:
    @Iris

    太好了,你附上了这张可爱的照片。
    我相信,在光明的绿色共产主义新未来,氢燃料电池将为党内精英驾驶的少数私家车提供动力。 至于我们其他人,他们似乎计划待在家里,吃昆虫和蛋白质,同时配给一切。 停电现在似乎是一回事。
    在阅读了《明亮的绿色谎言》和《人类星球》之后,我现在完全相信,“绿色科技革命”只是富人试图通过控制幻想来保住自己的钱。
    阅读您的评论后,我现在了解了亲华太空旅所体现的政治意图层次,以及这一切与 Covid 骗局的关系。
    谢谢你填写我。

    • 同意: gay troll
    • 回复: @Iris