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这是一个关于自杀性爆炸如何具有颠覆欧亚大陆一体化整个、持续、复杂过程的潜力的简明故事。
最近，俾路支解放运动（BLA）发布了一段受伊斯兰国影响的视频，威胁巴基斯坦广大省份的“中国官员和设施”。
然而，实际发生在 XNUMX 月下旬的是卡拉奇大学孔子学院外——不是俾路支省——的自杀式炸弹袭击，目标是中国教师，而不是“官员和设施”。
自杀式炸弹袭击者是一名妇女，Shaari Baloch，别名 Bramsh，她 引爆了她的背心 就在一辆载着研究所工作人员的面包车接近入口时。 BLA 的 Majeed 旅声称发动了这次袭击，并强调这是他们第一次使用女性自杀式炸弹袭击者。
Shaari Baloch 是一名拥有动物学学位的教师，注册攻读第二个硕士学位，嫁给了一位牙医，并在她的家乡俾路支省南部的 Turbat 的 Makran 医学院教授。 她的三个兄弟包括一名医生、一名政府资助项目的副主任和一名公务员。 因此，Shaari Baloch 远不是一个被网络灌输的贫穷的萨拉菲圣战者。
巴基斯坦外交部不得不强调这一点：这是“对巴中友谊和持续合作的直接攻击”，双方都称其为“铁兄弟”。 巴基斯坦是中国“一带一路”倡议（BRI）连接欧亚大陆的绝对关键节点。
这不是标准的恐怖袭击。 它的影响是巨大的——不仅在巴基斯坦的一个省份和南亚地区，而且在整个欧亚大陆。 这可能是前方严重动荡的预兆。
Shaari Baloch 的绝望行为首先应被视为受过教育的中产阶级（从律师和商人到学生）感受到的根深蒂固的俾路支疏离的体现，不断渗透到与遥远的伊斯兰堡的复杂关系中。 这个难题的一个重要部分是 26 个巴基斯坦情报机构从未预见到它的到来。
俾路支领导人立即指出，最好的反应是召集大支尔格——以次大陆分裂时实行的沙希支尔格为蓝本——这将联合所有部落长老解决当地最紧迫的不满。
通常的嫌疑人
俾路支省在地缘战略上与稀土矿物一样宝贵：位于伊朗以东、阿富汗以南的巨大沙漠，拥有三个阿拉伯海港口，包括瓜达尔港，几乎位于战略性霍尔木兹海峡的入海口。
俾路支省占巴基斯坦面积的近 48%，富含铀和铜，可能蕴藏着非常丰富的石油，生产巴基斯坦三分之一以上的天然气，而且人口稀少。 俾路支人占人口的大多数，其次是普什图人。 多年来，五角大楼一直将大型省会奎达视为塔利班中心。
瓜达尔港是中国在阿拉伯海西南俾路支省沿岸建设的港口，与阿曼正对面，是中巴经济走廊（CPEC）的绝对关键节点，也是一条永无止境的管道中的重要一环传奇。 伊朗-巴基斯坦-印度 (IPI) 天然气管道，以前被称为“和平管道”，计划从伊朗穿越到巴基斯坦俾路支省（印度仍未下定决心），自乔治 W.布什时代。
即使在巴基斯坦境内，CPEC 仍然是一个无穷无尽的争议源。 除了计划到 2030 年瓜达尔和新疆之间的所有连接外，这条雄心勃勃的连接走廊大部分都涉及该国不同地区的能源、工业区以及公路和铁路项目——这是对落后基础设施的全面改善。 多年来，中国人一直打趣说，事实上“整个巴基斯坦都是一条走廊”。
可以预见的是，美国安全机构多年来一直在计划利用俾路支省的叛乱——还有什么——首先“破坏”从瓜达尔到新疆的能源管道的可能性，然后是整个 CPEC 项目。 像美国国家民主基金会 (NED) 这样的常见嫌疑人在俾路支省非常普遍。 维基解密有 发现 很多游戏早在 2015 年。
卡内基研究所的一份报告指出，“许多俾路支民族主义领导人现在来自 Kech、Panjgur 和 Gwadar 的城市化地区（在较小程度上来自 Quetta、Khuzdar、Turbat、Kharan 和 Lasbela）。 它们与不存在部落结构的卡拉奇和海湾城市有很好的联系。 事实上，虽然全省各地都有暴力事件，但叛乱似乎主要集中在这些城市化地区。”
自杀式炸弹袭击者Shaari Baloch来自该省第二大城市Turbat，BLA非常活跃。 从通常的嫌疑人的角度来看，这些都是精选资产，尤其是在重要的部落领袖如 Akbar Bugti 去世后。 该报告适时指出，“受过教育的俾路支中产阶级青年如何站在叛乱的最前沿”。
BLA 的反华工具化也与伊斯兰堡的政权更迭议会行动有关，该行动最近罢免了前总理伊姆兰汗，伊姆兰汗一直是美国在阿富汗“永远战争”的激烈对手。 可汗坚决否认巴基斯坦在“超地平线”美国军事行动中的使用：这是他被赶下台的关键原因之一。
现在，有了一个顺从的、华盛顿批准的新政权，奇迹刚刚发生：五角大楼即将与伊斯兰堡达成正式协议，使用巴基斯坦领空——还有什么——继续干涉阿富汗。
北京以及上海合作组织（SCO）的其他成员不会被逗乐。 就在白色政变前几周，汗会见了中国国家主席习近平，并再次强调巴基斯坦和中国是“铁哥们”。
伊姆兰汗是西方的眼中钉，因为他一直在给巴基斯坦人留下深刻印象，即阿富汗的永远战争在军事上是无法取胜的。 他知道几十年来破坏阿富汗和巴基斯坦稳定的所有代理人——包括 BLA——是如何并将继续是美国秘密行动的一部分。
不是伊朗-印度的阴谋
俾路支省与普什图部落地区一样具有深厚的部落色彩。 当地部落首领可能像伊斯兰堡忽视一样极端保守（他们也不完全是人权的典范）。 大多数部落虽然向伊斯兰堡的权威低头，但首先是布提人除外。
然后是俾路支解放军（BLA），华盛顿和伦敦都曾将其标记为恐怖组织，然后就忘记了。 BLA 在阿富汗坎大哈（距奎达仅两小时车程）外活动多年，并且在过去十年中——在宣布新丝绸之路和 CPEC 的同时——强调它已准备好攻击非俾路支人（代码伊斯兰堡政府和中国外国人）。
俾路支人倾向于将 BLA 视为一个抵抗组织。 但伊斯兰堡一直否认，称他们的支持率不超过全省人口的 10%。
An ample controversy has raged in Pakistan for years on whether the BLA was totally hijacked by the CIA, the MI6 and the Mossad. During a 2006 visit to Iran, I was prevented from going to the Sistan-Balochistan province in southeast Iran because, according to Tehran’s version, infiltrated CIA from Pakistani Balochistan were involved in covert, cross-border attacks. It was no secret to anyone in the region that since 9/11 the US virtually controlled the Baloch air bases in Dalbandin and Panjgur.
In October 2001, while waiting for an opening to cross to Kandahar from Quetta, I spent quite some time with a number of BLA associates and sympathizers. They described themselves as “progressive, nationalist, anti-imperialist” (and that would make them difficult to be co-opted by the US). They were heavily critical of “Punjabi chauvinism,” and always insisted the region’s resources belong to Balochis first; that was their rationale for attacks on gas pipelines.
Stressing an atrocious, provincial literacy rate of only 16 percent (“It’s government policy to keep Balochistan backward”), they resented the fact that most people still lacked drinking water. They claimed support from at least 70 percent of the Baloch population (“Whenever the BLA fires a rocket, it’s the talk of the bazaars”). They also claimed to be united, and in coordination with Iranian Balochis. And they insisted that “Pakistan had turned Balochistan into a US cantonment, which affected a lot the relationship between the Afghan and Baloch peoples.”
Two decades later, and after the whole ISIS saga in Syria and Iraq, it’s a completely different story. BLA sympathizers may still be prepared to remain within a Pakistani confederation, although with infinitely more autonomy. But now they seem to be willing to use western imperial help to strike not only at the central government in Islamabad, but also at the “near abroad” foreign profiteer (China).
After the Karachi suicide bombing, a narrative started to emerge in some Pakistani circles that Iran and India were in cahoots to destabilize Balochistan.
That makes absolutely no sense. Both Tehran and Islamabad are tightly linked to Beijing through several nodes of the New Silk Roads. Iran would draw less than zero benefit to collude with India to destabilize an area that borders Afghanistan, especially when the SCO is fully engaged in incorporating Kabul into the Eurasia integration process. Moreover, the IPI has its best chances ever to come to fruition in the near future, consolidating an umbilical cord from Southwest Asia to South Asia.
During the late years of Barack Obama’s administration, the BLA, though still a fringe group with a political wing and a military wing, was regrouping and rearming, while the chief minister of Balochistan, Nawab Raisani, was suspected of being a CIA asset (there was no conclusive proof).
Already at the time, the fear in Islamabad was that the government had taken its eye off the Balochistan ball – and that the BLA was about to be effectively used by the US for balkanization purposes. That seems to be the picture right now. Yet the heart of the matter – glaringly expressed by the Karachi suicide bombing – is that Islamabad still remains impervious to the key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy.
I should point out, though, that Imran Khan is related to the Rothschilds. You can look into imran Khan’s ex-wife’s connection to the Rothschilds. After all, Palestine is already close to the West and China’s export of infrastructure and cultural projects is just business. China cannot expect these people to transform themselves. In the end, a community with a shared future for mankind is just an ideal.
除非真的有一位圣者，真正构建了全人类的至高无上的地位，否则人类永远都是低等的生物。
可悲的是，一个国家这个狗屎坑觉得有必要破坏所有和平贸易和发展的企图，他们不能插手肮脏的手指。他们不能让任何其他制度成功，因为它会暴露高利贷，债务奴役和他们寄生经济的庞氏性质。 如果这个邪恶的帝国不被摧毁，他们不会停止，直到整个世界都被奴役。
You certainly rebutted the claim that Iran was involved, but did nothing to avert attention from the obvious hostility from India to both Pakistan and China.
Excellent article. The narrative, the way the author constructed and displayed his knowledge over the region and all social, political, military and economical aspects involved are very nice to read and learn. This is the best of Pepe Escobar.
Sometimes the “Roving Eye on Globalistan” writes things like “If the Russian Ministry of Defense finds out that NATO did it, they will let loose all the dogs from Hell on NATO, as in “asymmetrical, lethal and fast.” (in ‘The Moskva Riddle’, 23 April 2022). Everybody who is really following the war knows that NATO did it (could someone please call the Kremlin and tell them that?). What happened? Nothing!
I have been following the Moskva since 2013 when it travelled to the Caribbean Sea, docking in Cuba (see 2013 Rare Footage MOSKVA Warship Missile Cruiser 2013 in Cuba; Sunk April 2022 exploding ammunition – youtube). How could Russia lose it? It is unbelievable!
No matter if you read Escobar in The Cradle, or Paul Craig Roberts at his website, or Kevin Barrett at Truth Jihad or Helen Buyniski at RT’s op-ed, Michael Hudson, all and much more are in the 联合国, including Mr. Unz himself. I have been following the website for less than a year and it is now the best reading in the World.
Imagine myself in Brazil between two professional politicians, both hugely involved in corruption charges brought by the judicial system and saying nothing worth to be paid attention at all (on one side a legion of right extremists strongly supported by the US Republicans warmongers, on the other side an immense brainwashing machine made by ‘journos” and politicians heavily paid by the US Democrats warmongers cheering Lula as the savior (indeed, the savior of his former archenemy, now running as his vice president).
Result: one can not read anything more in Brazilian Portuguese. It is horrible. No content at all, just crap! Be it in the bourgeoisie’s news corporations, be it in the so-called “alternative media” (lula’s fans, like “The Power is with Lula” – unbelievable).
It is unbelievable: the US sank the Moskva (nothing happened) and will sink Brazil further on (and nothing will happen). The country will be further destroyed, PT will enjoy their US$ 100 million plus election quota paid by the taxpayers and the majority of Brazilian society will continue to be poor, very poor.
Pepe says “….key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy.”
And in a sane world they should have it. Secession into smaller autonomous groups, only makes sense. But it has to be voluntary, if force is involved you just end up trading one group of rulers for another.
所有的谷歌翻译听起来都像幸运饼干吗？ 话虽如此，如果你要通过他的前妻来评判一个人，那么我坦率地承认我嫁给了撒旦的女儿，被指控有罪。
Punjbi stole billions that were doled out to Pakistan in 1980s by Audi and USA. They are thieves,arrogant,nepotistic, and stupid. In USA,you find them wearing stupid outfits and trying to suck up to Indian Punjabis. There are physcians in Detroit area who are throughly corrupt tribal and opportunistic. Reday to sale the country to the highest bidder.
Also you will find their sons and the daughters of the military and of the political leaders are either employed by the government or enrolled into the prestigous universities. They and their families are mortaged to USA . Thus is the entire country .
Ruble runs victory laps. If Russia’s “plan” was so perfect, by Jacob Dreizin
视频链接
After the humiliation in Afghanistan it was always clear Baluchistan would
be next, but first of all as a move against Iran; now the Karakorum Highway
and Gwadar are a grand strategic pain in the pooter also (it is hard to see
what beef the Baluch would have with China).
India? Well, Kautilja (“The neighbor of my neighbor is my friend”) was Indian 😀
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Kautilya
– That they use the educated middle classes is … disturbing.
https://journal-neo.org/2014/07/08/the-politics-of-terrorism-in-pakistan/
Sounds like China has an opening to win Baloch hearts and minds:
– raise the current 16% literacy through education programs; and
– improve access to clean water.
Spend a little bit now to save a lot more later.
你写了：
Admittedly, Imran Khan’s ex-wife was Jemima Goldsmith, daughter of British tycoon Sir James Goldsmith – descended from the infamous Goldschmidt* family.
That said, Jemima was no Rothschild lackey. She was an independent minded woman that was well aware of Zio malfeasance in the world and I suspect that part of the reason she married Imran Khan was to make a public ‘up yours’ statement towards that subset of malevolent and exploitative Jewry that has brought so much misery to the world.
此外，杰迈玛的母亲（安娜贝尔·范恩-暴风雨-斯图尔特夫人）出生在伦敦的一个盎格鲁-爱尔兰贵族家庭，其根源在阿尔斯特和达勒姆郡。
她是卡斯尔雷子爵罗宾的女儿，后者后来成为第八代伦敦德里侯爵。
简单地说，根据犹太法律，鉴于她有一个外邦人的母亲，而且部落归属是由母系血统决定的，杰迈玛本人就不是犹太人。
Jemima 长期以来一直参与真正的慈善活动，例如援助阿富汗难民和访问黎巴嫩、约旦、约旦河西岸和加沙的巴勒斯坦难民营，以促进下一代巴勒斯坦人的希望和乐观 (HOPING) 慈善机构，仅举几例只是众多中的两个。
Jemima was a close friend of Princess Diana and, many years after divorcing Imran Khan, she even dated activist and absolute legendary truth teller Russell Brand.
别搞错了，杰迈玛是个好女孩，一直是盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国和当权派的眼中钉。
Unfortunately, Escobar’s analysis left the roles of India-Israel in arming terrorist groups and in every terrorist attack in Pakistan. Of course, successive U.S. regimes are the hand that keeps feeding international terrorism, particularly in West Asia.
Pepe Escobar wrote about the:
And that readers, is what the CIA, the US’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and various Zio funded NGO’s are doing 24/7 throughout the world.
If you don’t obsequiously prostrate yourself to the Anglo-Zionist empire, utilising those tools at their disposal like the ones above, they [ZOG] will do their utmost to destabilise your regime and your country.
It’s becoming clearer every day that our only hope to live in a sane and free world is for those of us who see the writing on the wall to establish our own independant, autonimous communities where ever we are, where ever we can, and to lead/guide by example.
I hate to sound like a scratched record, but only by working in cooperation with our like-minded, sentient brothers/sisters, by establishing our independance from the ‘economy stupid’, and by working in our own self-interest, can we hope to starve the Beast and ensure our own survival as a free species.
If those of us with awareness begin the jouney toward freedom, others will recognise the wisdom of it and follow suit.
Cooperative Communities, networked across regions, for mutual support and mutual benefit, under Natural Law, with economic independance based on giving – give only what you can, take only what you need, pooling resources for the good of all…
Whilst practicing non-violent non-cooperation with a lawless and corupt state [eg. “I am the living man/woman called ______. I do not recognise you. I do not recognise or accept your jurisdiction. I grant you no authority over me”. Rince and repeat up the Beasts chain of comand.]
Sadly, we have to face the fact that Putin, nore anyone else, is going to save us. So we have to act like adults and save ourselves.
In doing so, we gradually starve the Beast, whilst also showing the way for others to do the same.
带着爱，
卡利
Interesting that the first comment under the video that Pepe cited (of the BLA) taking responsibility is this:
I have a lot of respect for Escobar and his interesting work, but IMHO he’s a bit off the mark by giving to much credit to the usual basket of criminal gangs (CIA, MI6, etc.)
Despite the geostrategic location, China is almost ready to give up on the Paki $hithole because:
这是 incredibly unstable – not even one government has stayed in office for its full term since they gained independence in 1947.
这是 uneducated and illiterate – only 60% of men are literate (and if I remember correctly only about 40% of women. I can’ find a source.) https://www.dawn.com/news/1628652
这是 腐败 – Chinese investment there is eaten up by all of the hands in the pie (or spoons in the biryani?).
It breeds 宗教极端主义 – not just BLA militants, but Pashtuns by the truckload.
换言之， it’s a Paki problem. The problem is with the Pakistanis, with or without the encouragement that may be coming from outside actors.
wow! Your post is all over the place.
I agree with you that Escobar’s work is generally very good.
周末愉快！
“(India still has not made up its mind)”
这让你感到惊讶吗？ 次大陆在分裂期间被撕裂，印度人从未接受过他们将古老的领土失去给他们皈依伊斯兰教的表亲，而他们现在与他们真正的古老敌人中国勾结。
I’ve no doubt when it suits US, we’ll help partition the land of the ‘holy’ (pork hating Pakistan) and the land of the ‘unholy’ (pork loving China). Just wait until we’re done with the Russia problem. One thing at a time, Pepe!
我会等待。
In the meanwhile, enjoy your double digit inflation.
Balochis are an ultra inbred violent tribe. They are deficient in intelligence and any higher faculties. They only can understand violence. Please understand it is very difficult to deal with such brutish tribes. The best Pakistan can do is a policy of mandatory assimilation, similar how it was done at periods of time with Slavic, Assyrian and other brutish tribes in Eastern Europe and Asia Minor.
And any outside mingling by Iran, India or the USA should be dealt with swiftly and hard.
马里2015
AQ 逼迫了 10 名中国人、20 名印度人， 几十个 马里酒店里的外国佬。
INRES 外国佬 据说他们的法国同伙自 911 年以来一直在轰炸，将那里的圣战分子吓跑
但猜猜 AQ 选择执行谁？
俄罗斯/中国铁路高管，在马里谈判一个大型铁路项目。
2013
Pak taliban, TTP 恐怖分子在 Pak 追踪了一群国际游客，挑出了 中文 冷血地射杀了他们。
2020
斯里兰卡复活节大屠杀。
伊斯兰国袭击 中文 拥有的酒店，屠杀了四名中国海洋科学家。让外国佬和印第安人拥有的酒店安然无恙。
我想现在每个人都知道，
谁创造了受控的 AQ、TTP、BOKO HARAM、ISIS、IS……？
What will become of poor ‘littlereddot’ when we stop buying Chinese junk? It’ll be back to the iron rice bowl and a feudal government, so, yes, let the high inflation buffet US!
伊姆兰汗只是通过与戈德史密斯女人的愚蠢婚姻与罗斯柴尔德家族有关。
我很高兴“就在你面前”佩佩正在向俾路支人倾倒，他们现在可能成为某种操纵的牺牲品，但至少自巴基斯坦成立以来，他们一直在鼓动独立。
如果佩佩能够保持一致的想法，他会包括在内。 但他不是。
“And any outside mingling by Iran, India or the USA should be dealt with swiftly and hard.”
How would you do it, with flying carpets and donkeys?
Talk is cheap! Shia Iran can piss on Sunni Pakistan to flush it down the Arabian Sea, let alone India or US.
The best way to pacify brave Balochis is to import more Chinese (to them vaginas are a natural resource to make money) and Poonjabi (it isn’t like that they haven’t whored before) prostitutes.
在杀死两名 Pak 警察后，Raymond Davis 被捕入狱，等待审判。
但帕克最终在 FUS 的压力下投降了，戴维斯被释放并搭乘下一班航班回家。
但是你还没有看到 nuthin...。
2002年，外国佬迈克尔·梅林在Ph酒店搞炸药时双腿炸断，被紧急送往医院。
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/gladio/nws30duterte.html
What happens in China won’t affect littlereddot.
He lives in a country with a much higher per capita GDP than Yankeeland.
You mean like your iPhone? or the computer you are typing on?
Before Trump’s trade wars, only 17% of China’s exports went to the US. Now it is way less. Even if all Yanks stopped buying Chinese goods, it would affect 5% of their GDP at most.
Heck, China trades more with Southeast Asia than the USA. China trades more with Europe than with the USA.
So yeah, please do stop buying Chinese goods. More for the rest of us.
Inflation is just the tip of the iceberg. When the Petrodollar collapses, so will the funding for the US military. The whole “tax on the world” scam will come crashing down. Your US dollar is going to be a fraction of its present value. Fancy paying $20,000 to replace your old iPhone?
https://web.archive.org/web/20140228034156/http://www.informationclearinghouse.info:80/article27582.htm
That is an excellent idea…unfortunately easier said than done.
Nice to see you again, dear Kali.
I sent a message of goodwill to the email you provided (ka****@gmail) a while ago with a ref to “Afternoon Tea by the Pool” 😎 … and wonder did you receive it ?
As always wishing you the best.
Here’s Karl Ditters v Dittersdorf with a calm influence —
印度人从来没有接受过他们失去了他们的古老领土给他们皈依伊斯兰教的表亲，而他们现在与他们真正的古老敌人中国勾结。
印度和中国之间没有古老的敌意。 无论好坏，强大的喜马拉雅山脉将两者分开。
Well Pakistan supports the Kashmiri Independence Movement against New Delhi so India supports the Balochi Independence Movement against Islamabad. Tit for tat. Balochi Independence movement from Pakistani Rule is old, much older than CPEC or even before Indian involvement. And it’s suppression by the Pakistani Army has been brutal in the past. Both India and Pakistan are enemies of each other and will try to harm each other. It is simple as that. For Indians, Kashmiri freedom fighters are terrorists and for Pakistanis (and China because of CPEC) Balochi Independence fighters are terrorists. One person’s terrorists may be another person’s revolutionaries. Pakistan even supported the Khalistani separatists in the Punjab against India. So why will India keep quite?
India was using it’s presence in Afghanistan under U.S military cover to infiltrate Pakistani Balochistan (there is Iranian Balochistan too). When the U.S. left Afghanistan, India was extremely pissed with the USA.
US leaving Afghanistan was a sort of Pakistani victory (even if Pakistan was supporting the Americans officially) but it is a Pyrrhic victory. Now the Taliban will not accept the Durand line with Pakistan. LOL. The Indians are laughing themselves mad. The Pakistanis are trying to build a fence on it’s Afghan border which is porous and there are Pathans/Pastuns on both sides.
BTW, the Indian Deep State wants Pakistan to disintegrate. They are not hiding their wishes, they are open about it. Indian English channel NewsX.
Pakistan Should Be Disintegrated | Time For Pashtun Action Plan? | Indian English language Channel NewsX
Wow talk about racism and cultural genocide. What if the the Hindutvas did the same to the Kashmiris? Flood Kashmir with Hindus from the rest of India and assimilate Kashmiri Muslims? Paksitani Punjabis would be screaming and shouting and running to the UN with Chinese support. LOL.
Pakistan is full of dancing girls (Punjabis, Pastuns), dancing to Indian Bollywood songs, with ugly ass thuggish men “making it rain” like in some American nigger club. How can guys (Pakistanis, blacks) be so stupid, showering cash on women like that? Not even getting sex.
安莫舞会
China’s exports to the USA accounts for just 2% of its GDP today, down from 3% before Trump’s trade wars. The reason for this drop is not only due to Trump’s tariffs but also due to rising land and labor costs in China. Nike, for instance, produces 90% of its shoes outside of China, with 10% remaining in China to serve the Chinese market. Another example is Samsung which left China even before Trump’s trade wars but has since settled in Vietnam producing consumer electronics for the global market.
Inflation is not even the biggest impact on the US economy from the collapse of the Petrodollar. That’s only a side effect of the financial implosion of the USD pyramid scheme as foreign investors dump USD financial assets in favor of non-USD financial assets as much of the US economy has been financialized since the 1980s.
“The whole “tax on the world” scam will come crashing down.”
If it’s a known and acceptable practice then it isn’t a scam thus it will flourish in centuries to come.
And that’s where you Hindoos are weak… damn the UN, damn the bullshit Poonjabis i.e. Muslims and damn the Chinese.
“Imran Khan is only related to the Rothschilds through his foolish marriage to the Goldsmith woman.”
Imran was a Paki playboy (the muslim variety) but that foolish girl, Jemima Goldsmith (Jewess to boot) fell for his ‘charms’ (whatever that means) and her two sons are now living with their father and mom is left out in the cold. Let that be a lesson to all non Muslim women who plan hitch up with jihadis!
https://www.shethepeople.tv/news/who-was-shaari-baloch-karachi-university-suicide-bomber-survived-by-two-children/
How many guesses do we need to figure out how this woman became a suicide bomber?
混蛋
Dontcha think a reorganization into Pashtunistan and Baluchistan might in the long run be preferrable to the current state of affairs?
(of course independent Kashmir too … hell, the most spectacular scenery and
the most beautiful women on the subcontinent, and what are they doing with it?)
降解。
就像N......生活方式一样。
这完全跑题了。 但是，Linh Dinh 在哪里？
印度教并不存在，它是耆那教，今天与最初大不相同
Let’s be honest – the Moskva should have been retired already…
Yes it is trying to kill two birds with one rough stone. That region also is a way to destabilize Iran. Pakistan and Iran have begun to mend fences. Of course certain forces don’t want that… Especially since Pakistan is close to China and Iran is drawing closer to China…
Don’t forget independent and sovereign Tibet as well as the East Turkmenistan and a few others …
Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism are all derivatives of Hindooism analogous to Zoroastrianism giving birth to Judaism, Christianity as well as Islam.
日本人与中国人平等的那一天，就是伊朗人与巴基斯坦人平等的那一天，也就是说，只要日本信奉神道教，伊朗信奉什叶派，就永远不会。 中国和巴基斯坦都被各自的优越邻国看不起……这几乎就像战前的南方，有种植园主和奴隶。
On thing about Samsung… They moved mobile phone production once they lost the market in China – but they increased memory chip production and increased investment in battery technology… Of course because China is still their biggest market for both. So Samsung is still very present in China.
This is correct, which is why Pepe was not able to really say anything convincing regarding India having clean hands, only Iran. He basically avoided the Indian subject altogether.
Now, this maybe overreach on India’s part. If BLA is found to be targeting Chinese nationals with Indian support, China can escalate much easier in Kashmir in response compared to what India can do in Xinjiang. That is simply Machiavellian calculus since, just like it is India’s interest to see Pakistan broken apart, it is in China and Pakistan’s interest for the same vis a vis India.
Af-Pakistan should probably think about the process to becoming one country, it seems much less of a hassle than trying to keep them separate anyway. I think Pakistan already has the same number of Pashtun population as Afghanistan does.
This is totally off topic. But, where is Linh Dinh?
India never existed before the empire stitched it together.
Darker South Indians are no way cousins of fairer baluch and pashtuns, they are as different as nordics are to red Indians.
Why are they so creepy and insist on a connection.
You idiot, if partition is good then whey don’t you allow Catalan, that feeds Spain, to be separated? Why no western country who are trying to partition Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey and others, did not support Catalan’s struggle for independence, although Catalan is self sufficient dummy? Why all these western thieves were silent against the arrest and abuse of the Catalan leaders? Don’t you think
the Catalan people have a right to be separated? idiot. Why do you always want to sell your criminal plan as ‘human rights’ to Muslims liars? We know you are nothing but a thief and terrorist planning to steal our lands and resources.
You, the illiterate, do you think Sudan is better now, after bloody partition? If your answer is Yes, then You are stupid to the core.
Do you think Yugoslavia is in a better position today, after the bloody invasion by the criminal West, where it was divided by the Evil empire, and its colonies, Britain, Canada and other thieves and terrorists in NATO.
If partition is good, then you terrorists, why don’t you allow Quebec or Scotland to be independent. Why the zionist Joe does not allow Ukraine to be partitioned into few pieces, but the same zionist thug has done everything to divide the regional countries in the Middle East for the benefits of the zionist’s dicks where should be chopped off. These scum have divided Muslims’ land for centuries. Enough is enough. If they want to be separated, then they can do it themselves. They don’t need thieves and terrorists like YOU.
All these partitions, especially the lands of Muslims, have geopolitical/economic reasons, gullible.
这就是为什么血腥的西方及其愚蠢的民众试图通过战争和经济制裁使这些国家保持贫穷和衰弱，以便窃取他们的资源。
Always there are few traitors who fall into the western and zionist’s traps to play their music. Otherwise the people of Baluch have fought against British imperialism and zionism. Death to the evil empire and its colonies like racist Zionists in India.
You idiot, comment without slightest knowledge of the colonial West in the region. Why don’t you divide the fucking America or British territories into 50 pieces? Why the evil empire is trying to increase its population by outlawing ABORTION against China idiots? Do you believe, the bigger in terms of land and population is the better to project your criminal influence? then why do you want to divide the Muslim lands further? Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why don’t you divide Russia, thief?
The problems in these region is not that these groups cannot live together, rather is the intervention and criminal activities of your fucking governments for centuries in these region for DIVIDE and RULE that create chaos to create opportunity for the criminal west and its gullible population.
When the people in the region kick out these thieves out of their countries and have control over
their destiny, then the situation will be reversed and you gullible will be looted and your lands will be divided into many pieces for centuries. It is the time to REVERSE the situation. We are not going to allow you to continue living off other people. When the $$ goes down as an int. currency, then you have to lick each other’s ass to feed yourself, because the rest of the world is not going to support your parasitic life style in American or Britain. Down with both and their partition plan. Shame on you all.
You are no American bulwark, you are an rss bulwark.
You idiot, if partition is good then whey don’t you allow Catalan, that feeds Spain, to be separated? Why no western country who are trying to partition Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey and others, did not support Catalan’s struggle for independence, although Catalan is self sufficient dummy? Why all these western thieves were silent against the arrest and abuse of the Catalan leaders? Don’t you think
the Catalan people have a right to be separated? idiot. Why do you always want to sell your criminal plan as ‘human rights’ to Muslims liars? We know you are nothing but a thief and terrorist planning to steal our lands and resources.
You, the illiterate, do you think Sudan is better now, after bloody partition? If your answer is Yes, then You are stupid to the core.
Do you think Yugoslavia is in a better position today, after the bloody invasion by the criminal West, where it was divided by the Evil empire, and its colonies, Britain, Canada and other thieves and terrorists in NATO.
If partition is good, then you terrorists, why don’t you allow Quebec or Scotland to be independent. Why the zionist Joe does not allow Ukraine to be partitioned into few pieces, but the same zionist thug has done everything to divide the regional countries in the Middle East for the benefits of the zionist’s dicks where should be chopped off. These scum have divided Muslims’ land for centuries. Enough is enough. If they want to be separated, then they can do it themselves. They don’t need thieves and terrorists like YOU.
All these partitions, especially the lands of Muslims, have geopolitical/economic reasons, gullible.
这就是为什么血腥的西方及其愚蠢的民众试图通过战争和经济制裁使这些国家保持贫穷和衰弱，以便窃取他们的资源。
Always there are few traitors who fall into the western and zionist’s traps to play their music. Otherwise the people of Baluch have fought against British imperialism and zionism. Death to the evil empire and its colonies like racist Zionists in India.
You idiot, comment without slightest knowledge of the colonial West in the region. Why don’t you divide the fucking America or British territories into 50 pieces? Why the evil empire is trying to increase its population by outlawing ABORTION against China idiots? Do you believe, the bigger in terms of land and population is the better to project your criminal influence? then why do you want to divide the Muslim lands further? Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why don’t you divide Russia, thief?
The problems in these region is not that these groups cannot live together, rather is the intervention and criminal activities of your fucking governments for centuries in these region for DIVIDE and RULE that create chaos to create opportunity for the criminal west and its gullible population.
When the people in the region kick out these thieves out of their countries and have control over
their destiny, then the situation will be reversed and you gullible will be looted and your lands will be divided into many pieces for centuries. It is the time to REVERSE the situation. We are not going to allow you to continue living off other people. When the $$ goes down as an int. currency, then you have to lick each other’s ass to feed yourself, because the rest of the world is not going to support your parasitic life style in American or Britain. Down with both and their partition plan. Shame on you all.
Er …Pepe did give credence to the Balochis right to self-determination with his closing statements unless you missed or misunderstood it …
“Yet the heart of the matter – glaringly expressed by the Karachi suicide bombing – is that Islamabad still remains impervious to the key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy”
This closing statement sounds to me that pakistans problems with subversion from the usual suspects is of its own doing by neglecting and usurping the resources that rightfully belong to the balochis. I believe Pepe also made reference to “Punjabi chauvinism. It’s the usual shadow groups exploiting and subverting that age-old pesky tribal tension in Pakistan (as well as the rest of the region). Just another day’s work for this evil bunch to advance whatever it is they intend eventually.
罗恩评论了他的上一篇文章。 你可以阅读它。 Linh 无法理解 Ron 对疫苗的支持（我也无法理解）并且很生气。 Ron 称 Linh 为“antivaxxer”。 Linh 现在在 Substack 上。
I am going to retort to both your moronic comments, # 52 & # 53 in one fell swoop…
If knowing India more than you through reading then so be it … RSS or SS, so long as I am not an ASS like you.
Now for the different races of India, check with ‘Malla’ in case you need a real education.
As to the South Indians, they are way smarter than all you Pakis (you’re no match for their level of IQ) and proud of their Dravid roots (they don’t want to be Whites) unlike you, who are essentially sand niggas’ niggas. Remember before you invoke the Nordic type that you’re basically a mulatto race of the Subcontinent, i.e. a dastardly mixture of every Tom, Dick and Harry who came whoring through it. And the worst of them all was your religious master, the Arab.
This is basically Bangladesh redux. By neglecting the legitimate grievances of East Pakistan and considering them as inferiors who needed to be brutally kept from seceding, the Pakistanis lost that nation. They have the ability to fix this situation, it’ll require compromise and dialogue – but only if they are willing to learn from their earlier mistake.
do you have a head injury? you keep asking the same question, unless of course….linh is that you? you missed us, didn’t you?
They are quite similar to Pastuns/Pathans but still very distinct.
I was reading this book about General Reginald Dyer when he was posted at the British Empire’s wild frontier of Baloch tribes (British Indian Empire/Balochistan-Persia border areas) during WW1. German (supported by Austrians) and Ottoman secret agents were infiltrating India to rile up the masses against the British Empire and many Baloch tribes on the frontier (Yarmahommedzais, Gamshadzais, Ismailzais etc…) had already gone pro-German, swore loyalty to the German Kaiser and started attacking the British Empire frontier posts (and their supplies). Indian Hindu merchants (contractors of the British Indian Army) refused to send supplies to the frontier British Imperial military posts out of fear of the pro-German Baloch cavalry raiders. That is why Dyer was sent on the frontier, Dyer had single-handedly (with his tough Cockney English working class Driver) turned the situation around but he got a lot of valuable help from loyal warrior Baloch tribes like the Chagai, tribes who still swore 1000% loyalty to the King Emperor and the British Empire. Shows how smart, tough, brave, resourceful, and capable Colonial Victorian Gentlemen officers were compared to today’s Western leftard pussyboy naive eloi “rebels without a cause” nonsense. A valuable lesson in people management.
You learn how tribal Balochistan was. Everything is to be exploited for your family and tribes. But they are also very hospitable and some principles of hospitability are followed to the letter. Also how backstabbing is a part of life, how some tough bully tribe leader would immediately cow down and kiss feet when in a weak position and then immediately attack when in a strong position. Survival of the fittest. How strength and power is respected but weakness ruthlessly attacked. How cunningness and shrewdness is way of life. People promise only to break it, nobody keeps his word. Backstabbing and greed, a way of life. Mixed in with bravery, but smart shrewd bravery not sacrifice yourself for some ideology stupid bravery (Whitey, Jap tendencies). Bravery for some gain.
这就是第三世界大部分地区的情况，并且在一天结束时，随着西方的衰弱，总是会如此。 在一天结束时，人类的生活总是残酷而野蛮的。
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51070/51070-h/51070-h.htm
萨哈德掠夺者：雷金纳德·爱德华·哈里·戴尔 (Reginald Edward Harry Dyer) 在大战期间对波斯-俾路支边境强盗的武装和虚张声势的叙述。
What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters. Like life in some Communist Gulag, basically – give minimum, extract maximum. British Imperial Officer Colonel Dyer, played his part in liberating the Persian slaves from the Baloch. How he does that, is written in the book. People do not know this but the last Shah of Iran, had to take many severe military actions in Iranian Balochistan to pacify the fierce Baloch tribes in Iran.
Balochistan was semi-independent Kingdom during the days of the British Empire, whose independence was respected by the British Empire and was forcefully absorbed by Pakistan (India did the same too with other kingdoms after Independence from the British Empire) in 1947-48. From the 17th centuiy until 1928 and 1948 respectively, Balochistan preserved its independent status. The Baloch country maintained diplomatic relations with Mughal India, Ottoman Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Oman, and British India.
Having persistently denied their right for self-rule, the Punjabi and Persian dominated states of Pakistan and Iran have always claimed that the Baloch are not a nation, but a tribal society with traditional tribal characteristics, thus lacking legitimacy for the right to self-rule and self-determination. The Baloch nationalists, on the contrary, reject these claims, and argue that they constitute a national community, in the fullest sense of the word, and occupy a relatively well-defined territory (which is the strongest argument anyone has to the right to self-determination). Apart from common ethnic bond and common historical experiences, the Balochs’ common cultural heritage includes language, religion, and all other manifestations like food, dress and perhaps their entire way of life. Balochistan’s occupation by the modern armies of Iran in 1928, and Pakistan in March 1948, led to the birth of the Baloch liberation/ resistance movement against both Iranian and Pakistani Imperialism/ Colonialism. Since the early 20th century, the Baloch nationalist movements have been trying to establish their legitimacy by appeals to nationalism throughout Balochistan. Balochistan comprises the Pakistani province of Balochistan, the Iranian province of Sistan-wa-Balochistan (Sistan and Balochistan), and the contiguous areas of southern Afghanistan.
To crush the Baloch, the Pakistani Government had even encouraged Pathan settlement in balochistan, Weapons of Mass Migration to change the demographics of Balochistan, trying to make the native Baloch a minority in their own lands and playing Divide and Rule in between native Baloch and immigrant Pathans. But Pathans and Baloch have more similarities in mentality then the dominant Punjabis of the Pakistan state.
In the 1960s, and 1970s, influenced by the Stalin’s Marxist doctrine of oppressor and oppressed nationalities, the Baloch nationalists as well as many of the Punjabi and Urdu-speaking leftists, considered the Marxist definition of nationality as the cornerstone for understanding the national question in Pakistan. The Punjabis and the Urdu speaking muhajirs (Muslim immigrants from India during partition), who dominated the Pakistani state apparatus, were considered as the oppressor, while the Bengalis/Bangladeshis, Sindhis, Pashtuns, and the Baloch formed the oppressed nationalities. This was the dominant view in the multi-ethnic National Awami Party (NAP) as well as in the other organizations in Pakistan.
The Baloch liberation movement is way older than Chinese BRI/ CPEC or even any Indian support. The Chinese just walked into an old headache.
He’s in Vietnam, specifically, in Vung Tau, currently……………
“This is basically Bangladesh redux.”
Perhaps! But remember that Bengal was where the British Raj ruled from for a very long time before moving on to Delhi. East Bengal was well educated, both in English and in Bangalee languages and had nothing in common with the thugish and basically illiterate Poonjabis of West Pakistan. Also, Iran may not allow independent Balochistan for a fear of its own Baloch minority, who might be clamoring for either independence or wanting to join up with their brethren across the border, almost like the Turkish fear of Kurdish people in their own midst. But the biggest difference is that Bangladesh had India on its border and it was willing to intervene (for its own geopolitical reasons), whereas, India cannot come to the rescue of Balochis given that the territory of the Sindh would be an obstacle. Of course, anything is possible, especially, given that India has Sindh mentioned in its national anthem but doesn’t have the land itself and probably wants it back but it would mean war with both of its neighbors.
It’s sad that the Taliban is made up of foolish and rabidly fanatical Afghans who could instead opt for enlightenment and progress for its people so that their girls and women would not end up whoring in Pakistan but unfortunately, Islam has fcuked up their heads so much that there’s no hope for them except be a mine pit for China and an opium farm for Pakis to get rich.
[What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters.]
Only a ‘Hindi’ spreads these LIES around. Baloch people are an Iranian people who live mainly in the Balochistan region, located at the southeastern most edge of the Iranian plateau, encompassing the countries of Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.
Balochi language, also is one of the oldest living languages of the Indo-Iranian group of the Indo-European languages. Balochi language, like Persian, has no gender. Balochi language is a member of the Iranian family language. Baluch people were part of Persian empire for cengturies and stil are part of Iran, but the British imperialism, divided the region and re arrange the border in order to keep its colony, India, where still in place, that’s why the Evil empire and its junior partner want to continue the policy to keep their colony India in place.
Do you think Balochi who are Iranians and have been part of the Persian empire, living together for centuries and have shared history are going to take their own brothers and sisters to sell it as ‘slaves’? This tradition is not among Iranian family rather, I guess, is with the ‘indians’ who take their owns and sell them as slaves.
Prior to 1947, Balochistan’s official languages was Persian and English was added after the British colonial was established where outlawed Persian, because Persian language was a major obstacle to their criminal plan in India.
In 1948, with the incorporation of Balochistan into the newly created Pakistan, Balochi was replaced by Urdu as the national language. Urdu is NOT Persian, it is Indian based language with a lot of Persian vocabulary and has gender.
The invasions of Genghis Khan caused the bulk of Baloch migrations and the Balochs were given refuge in the greater Sindh region.
Iranian Balochistan had some of the earliest human civilizations in history. The Burnt city near Zahidan dates to 2000 BC. All of what is now Baluchistan was part of the Achaemenid, Seleucid, Parthian, and Sassanid Iranian Empires.
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– Us Natzees ™ regard “borders” not backed by peoples* as lines on
a paper; in case you didn´t notice I called the “borders” left behind by the colonizers
练习 问题 (and I asked Malla – whose area expertise and judgment
I have come to value – for an opinion).
– There was no justification for going full Abe Lincoln on the Catalans, true;
however it should stay within reason: Scotland, no; 决不要 divide an island, if at
all possible. Quebec, why not? Tibet … nothing between China and India can be truly
independent, and India has been shown not to respect neutrality; both the Indus
and the Brahmaputra spring from the Kailash but there´s precious little China could
do about it. Besides it has been part of China since the 16th century, and there can be
no doubt they are better off now.
– But of course it is Kashmir that gets under your skin.
Confucius say, vegetarian jungle bunny no good in mountain 😛
Come time, you will have to source your actresses and high-end whores elsewhere.
*This concept is probably not applicable to India.
The USA represent the End of Humanity, the Fermi Paradox resolved, the hearts’ desire of tens of millions of ‘religious’ lunatics and proof that the ‘arc of history’ turns in on itself until it reaches a singularity of malevolence, and disappears from the universe as a black hole of greed, arrogance and malignancy. This day has been coming since 1776, since 1900, since 1945, since 1989, and here it is.
Yes, it certainly seems older than any recent conflict, but – as you pointed out, there are ways this can be sorted out. The Balochis are certainly their own people, but then so are the Sindhis and Punjabis and all the many other people that constitute both India and Pakistan. If – as I understand it – Pakistan was built on the common theme of being a land for the various Muslim people of that region, then it might work if they come to common and equitable terms on that basis – easier said than done, right?
Again, Bangladesh is a good example of a failure of coming to common and equitable terms. So it’s really up to the Pakistani leadership whether or not they want to be conciliatory or be ruthless and prolong it longer with rising bloodshed. Then again, I guess another counter example to Bangladesh breaking away is Sri Lanka crushing the Tamil Tiger insurgency. That is the balance that insurgents must play, if they piss everyone off by being too indiscriminate in their application of violence, the general public will give the government cadre blanche to bulldoze the opposition.
Of course, I honestly don’t know if independence will help the average Balochi. With they way things work in that neck of the woods, they may simply be trading a distant, corrupt overlord that speaks a different language in Islamabad for a local, corrupt overlord that speaks Baluchi in Quetta.
That’s the breaks.
Yes, a major complication for the Balochis in this situation is that they are sandwiched between three nations that do not want them to carve a piece out (yes, even Afghanistan has some Balochis). So the situation is – from a practical perspective – more akin to the Kurdish situation .
The “legitimate grievances” of East Pakistan were spelled C-I-A, even then
(though the Usual Suspects then still used British mercs for the dirty deeds, in
deference to it having been 其 colony).
INRES 大撒旦 自 30 以来已经屠杀了 40 万穆斯林并产生了 911 万难民，对吗？
但是为什么哦为什么……
没有外国佬，或者就此而言，没有白人会成为那些“恐怖分子”的目标，但每隔一天，某个地方的某个中国人就会被 AQ、IS、TTP、BALOCHS 浪费掉……？
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为什么是狂犬病'反外国佬'TTP 负责人 Adullah Mehsud 从 gitmo 释放，他为什么要追 中文 工程师并几乎破坏了整个 Gawdar 项目？
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https://www.unz.com/pescobar/new-great-game-gets-back-to-basics/#comment-4790300
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美林惨败
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迈克尔·梅林是谁？
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/gladio/030309Fake.html#anker3
真正的恐怖分子能站出来吗？
虽然 CIA/MI6/ASIO 是环球旅行的恐怖分子，但在南亚，他们经常与 RAW 合作。
MOSSAD 可能也对 Pak 感兴趣， 唯一拥有核武器的穆斯林国家 .
https://sabrinabaloch.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-axis-of-evil-blackwaterxe-cia.html
your comment ignores the fact that tons of indians have aryan nations beliefs and think they are essentially the same race as scandinavians.
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sinophobia-lies-and-hybrid-war/#comment-4192007
Stop lying and stop trying to subterfuge the historical facts, you lowly worm.
From a Muslim researcher himself.
https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/180927/31c68a20991b5a98b0dece4fd929c9c8.pdf
The Baluch insurgency: linking Iran to Pakistan by 齐亚·乌尔·雷曼
Zia Ur Rahman (Superior Muslim, not inferior subhuman Hindoo) writes
“Baluch historians point to the fact that historically an independent Baluchistan existed for several centuries. Afghans, Persians and Sikhs all made repeated but unsuccessful attempts to establish complete control of Baluchistan (AI, 2007). However, during the 19th century the British and Persian empires divided Baluchistan into spheres of influence. In 1928 independent West Baluchistan (today the Sistan and Baluchistan Province of Iran) was forcibly annexed to Iran by Reza Shah Pahlavi, who overthrew the Qajar dynasty in a military coup soon after the “Persian constitutional revolution” took place between 1905 and 1907 and founded the Pahlavi dynasty. Baluch activists say that this dynasty created a centralised, predominantly Persian state in Iran that enshrined ethnic suppression, forcing the Baluch community to fight to protect their rights under Iranian rule (UNPO, 2010).
In 1979 Iran became an Islamic republic and Shah Muhammad Reza Pahlavi was forced into exile. However, Iran’s new theocratic rulers continued and strengthened Pahlavi’s policies towards the Baluch, perceiving the Sunni Baluch as a threat to their Shia revolution (Tatchell, 2008).
In 1839 the British gained control over a part of the Baluch region situated in modern-day Pakistan by defeating the forces of Mehrab Khan Baluch, the then-ruler of the Baluch state. The greater part of Baluchistan was – formally or informally – under the British Empire until Indian independence in 1947; the prime British interest in the area was that of securing and protecting the North-Western Frontier Province of British India from both Afghanistan and Iran (Khan, 2011).
2 Noref Report – May 2014
Many Baluch believe their province was forcibly incorporated into the new state of Pakistan when the Indian subcontinent was divided into India and Pakistan at the end of British rule in 1947, and since then the province has been in turmoil (IRIN, 2006). Prior to Indian independence there was a serious possibility that the Baluch would be accorded self-rule under the leadership of Ahmed Yar Khan, the ruler of the Baluch state of Kalat, who claimed that Kalat was never a part of the British Indian Empire (Bangash, 2011).
In the late 1940s Kalat state was declared an independent nation by the British government, while other adjoining areas such as those inhabited by the Bugti and Marri tribes were also included in the new state. When India and Pakistan became independent in August 1947, Baluchistan also declared its independence (Tatchell, 2011). Pakistan, the British and Baluchistan accepted the independent status of Baluchistan through a tripartite agreement signed on August 4th 1947.
To ascertain the will of the people concerning the future of the state, Ahmed Yar Khan established two houses of parliament in October 1947 (Bangash, 2011). Rejecting the Baluch’s legitimate claim to self-rule, the Pakistani government tried to force Baluchistan to join Pakistan, but both houses of the Baluch parliament rejected this (Tatchell, 2011). Khan was willing to compromise with the Pakistani government on defence, foreign affairs and communication matters, but was not prepared to abandon the sovereign status of the state. However, the Pakistani government moved forces into Kalat territory and pressurised Khan to sign the instrument of accession merging Baluchistan with Pakistan. Baluch separatist groups argue that this accord was mandated by neither the Baluch parliament nor the Baluch people (Tatchell, 2007).
Khan rose up in revolt, triggering the first of a series of insurgencies in the province. New uprisings, essentially seeking greater autonomy, led to confrontations between Baluch nationalists and separatists and the Pakistan military in 1958, 1962 and 1973-77 (IRIN, 2006). The current armed conflict between Baluch separatists and the Pakistani army has been ongoing since 2004. Members of the powerful Bugti and Marri tribes and parts of the Baluch middle class support the separatists with influence and money, making the current insurgency stronger than previous ones (The Economist, 2012).”
Nothing better to do than troll around huh? Serious discussion here…. Try comic books instead.
是/是日本人觉得他们/比中国人优越， AND 其他亚洲人！！！ 这就是为什么“荣誉白人”在上个世纪继续征服和殖民整个东亚、东南亚和亚洲——就像白人殖民世界一样。 这导致数以千万计的亚洲人在日本人手中遭受无尽的痛苦和死亡。
中国，以及第三世界的其他国家，将纠正白人和日本人在本世纪所犯下的不公。
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/aug/06/irans-troubled-provinces-baluchistan
In the 19th century, the greater Baluchistan region, spanning Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, was divided by the British colonial power in south Asia between 1870 and 1872. British telegraph workers surveyed the area and defined Iran’s border with Afghanistan and British-ruled India (later Pakistan) to settle territorial disputes with the Qajar dynasty, which ruled Iran from 1789 to 1925.
In 1897, Sardar Hossein Khan, a Baluch tribal chief, led an insurgency against the Qajar dynasty. The uprising ended three years later when the shah appointed Khan to be the local governor. The Baluch maintained a high degree of autonomy for three decades. In 1925, Reza Shah Pahlavi finally deposed the Qajars, already weakened by the 1906 Constitutional Revolution, and began to solidify his rule across the country. In 1928, he sent an army to wrest control from Baluch tribal chiefs. Several Baluch tribes launched two rebellions, which both failed, in 1931 and 1938. The Pahlavis redrew provincial boundaries to divide the Baluch among multiple provinces, such as Kerman and Hormozgan, and forcibly resettled Baluch elsewhere in Iran.
The Qajars, the Pahlavis and, since 1979, the Islamic Republic of Iran, have primarily viewed Sistan and Baluchistan as a security liability. Tehran has long worried that the Baluch could rally, perhaps with their brethren in Pakistan, to seek greater autonomy or even independence. After the 1979 revolution, Baluch separatists reportedly began to receive support from outside Iran. Tehran has accused the United States, Britain, Israel, 巴基斯坦 and Saudi Arabia of supporting Baluch separatists.
The central government has done little to integrate the Baluch into Iranian society. Poor socioeconomic conditions have exacerbated ethnic tensions. “Areas with large Baluchi populations were severely underdeveloped and had limited access to education, employment, health care, and housing,” according to the State Department’s 2019 report on human rights. In 2018, life expectancy in Sistan and Baluchistan was the lowest of any Iranian province. In the last census, the province also had a literacy rate of only 76 percent, compared to 93 percent in Tehran province.
The central government has repeatedly tried to suppress Baluch identity. The government has reportedly sent hundreds of Shiite missionaries to convert the predominantly Sunni Baluch. The government has closed, and, in some cases demolished Sunni mosques and religious seminaries. It has also used public education to promote an Iranian national identity, with Shiism as its foundation. Most elementary and high school teachers in Sunni Baluch areas are also reportedly Shiite. Persian is also the sole language of instruction, which disadvantages the Baluch.
Some separatist groups have cited discrimination and socioeconomic conditions as the key grievances for their opposition to Tehran. Since 2003, the militant Islamist group Jundallah, or “Soldiers of God,” has fought for Sunni rights. “The only thing we ask of the Iranian government is to be citizens. We want to have the same rights as the Iranian Shiite people. That’s it. We do not want discrimination between Sunnis and Shiites in this country,” founder Abdolmalek Rigi said in an interview with Al-Arabiya in 2008.
Jundallah has attacked both civilian and government targets. Tehran describes the organization as a radical terrorist and separatist organization backed by its enemies. U.S. officials “secretly encouraged and advised” Jundallah starting in 2005, according to an ABC News report in 2007. But the United States, which designated Jundallah a terrorist organization in 2010, has denied providing support. The group has been less active since Jundallah splintered after Rigi was captured and executed by Iran in 2010. But the movement has spawned several other militant groups, including Jaish ul Adl (JUA), Ansar al Furqan, and Harakat Ansar Iran.
FarooquiJUA (Army of Justice) was founded in 2012 and began attacking Iranian security forces the following year. It has been the most active Baluch insurgent group in Iran. It has launched suicide bombings, carried out assassinations, taken hostages and laid mines. JUA’s founder and leader is Salahuddin Farooqui (also known as Abdul Rahim Mulazadeh), who comes from the Baluchistan province in Pakistan; he has ties to communities on both sides of the border. JUA uses Pakistan as a base of operations.
Developments that took place in continental Europe led to the competition among European countries to gain colonies in the Asia.
One of the most important territories for European governments was India. During the European rivalry for control of India, the adjacent lands became important as access points to that land. One of these areas was Balochestan.
The British, having been able to cut off their rivals from India, decided to establish a buffer zone along its northwestern border to secure its colony, India. thus the British policy focused on Balochestan extended to Iranian Balochestan on its eastern border.
With the establishment of Qajar government in Iran, the kings sought to expand their control over the eastern borders of the country. The British government’s attention to Baluchistan as the defense belt of southwestern India and the Qajar kings’ policy focused on Baluchistan, led to a confrontation between the two. At this time, strong British activities let to separation of Baluchistan from Iran as India’s defensive shield.
Vasco da Gama’s visit from Portugal to India in 1497 paved the way for the establishment of colonies in this land and other parts of Asia. After the Portuguese conquest of India in 1662, the Portuguese government granted the island of Mumbai to King Charles II of England, who transferred the island to the East India Company. The British Empire from the mid-seventeenth century gradually, by force and deception, brought India under its own rule. In this way, the British removed the Portuguese from the competition and took control of the situation.
In the late 1600s the East India Company was established by order of Queen Elizabeth. The company was gradually able to expand its influence in India and outperform its other competitors. Following the advent of the Industrial Revolution in Europe, the production of goods far exceeded the needs of European markets. In addition, raw materials did not exist in many factories in Europe, therefore, the European countries paid more attention to other lands to meet their demands. One of these lands, was India. India was the land where many European countries sought after.
Britain, which had dominated India for years and tried to defend it against rivals, suddenly faced with Napoleon who wanted to take India from British.
Napoleon was aware that Britain’s vital artery was India. He was looking for a way to conquer India, and since Britain was the ruler of the seas, he had no choice but to invade India by land, and this way inevitably passed through Iran. The conquest of India via Iran, Afghanistan, Sindh and Punjab had been recorded repeatedly in history, and the British knew that if they left the door open, the French would easily conquer India.
The threat of Napoleon’s attack drew the attention of the British government and the East India Company to neighboring India, the routes through which Napoleon’s attack was likely. One of the neighboring lands of India was Baluchistan and as a result of these rivalries between states, this area was important by the colonizers and their competitors in such a way that let to the separation of part of Baluchistan from Iran to protect INDIA from other rivals.
To conquer India, The Napoleon made the Treaty of Finkenstein with Persia (Iran) in 1807 which formalized the Franco-Persian alliance. One of the provisions of this treaty was the severance of Iran’s relations with the British government and the declaration of war with that country.
The British government in London panicked and sent representatives to the Iranian court, including Sergeant Malcolm, who was not accepted by the Iranians because of the friendly relationship between Iran and France.
The danger of Napoleon’s invasion of India through Iran and the rejection of British Ambassador Malcolm by the Iranian court let the East India Company and the British government to identify and explore India’s neighboring territories. where was Baluchistan, as a buffer zone.
India was so important to the British Empire that some politicians believed that it was impossible for Britain to live without India.
After 1815 and the alliance of Iran with France, the British government realized that, contrary to previous perceptions, Iran as India’s defensive line was not very reliable. Therefore, London and the British government in India decided to focus their attention on Central Asia and change the defensive wall of India from Iran to Central Asia. Following that in the decade of 1830. There was a growing consensus in Britain that Russia was expanding its territory to the detriment of Iran, the Ottomans, and Central Asia, thus, the idea of the “Great Game” was born. In this plan, Iran as a buffer state against the progress and development of Russia to India was of special strategic importance. They found their defensive barrier in the eastern border areas of Iran, where the central government of Iran did not have a firm policy due to weakness, and this was what the British wanted because they could easily separate strategic areas from Iran according to their plan to achieve a protective belt. Thus, from then, the British was helping Russia to weaken Iran in order to kill two birds with one stone, to preoccupy Russia, weaken Iran and prevent Russia coming towards India.
Yes, the policy of the evil empire has many victims, the Baloch, the Iranians, Indians, Afghani, Muslims in general to mention few.
This doesn’t sound right. Pakistan was well within US sphere of influence at the time – flying U2 spy missions over Russia and such. It makes little sense that the CIA would actively want to hand over Bangladesh to the Indian area of influence which was under the Soviet influence/assistance at the time.
Well, if the Baloch and Pastuns up North break away from Pakistan, Pastuns joining their brothers in Afghanistan, the only major people left will be the Punjabis and Sindhis and other few minorities. That would be a disaster for Pakistan after already having lost East Pakistan/Bangladesh. For this the Punjabi elites need to share more power and wealth with the other ethnic groups.
India has far less risks as even if the separatists regions left the Union, a large chunk of India would be still left. Personally, I am all for giving Independence to Kashmir, Nagaland etc..
Kashmir —Independence to the Kashmiri valley Muslims but Hindu majority Jammu and Buddhist majority Ladakh should be separated out. The Government of India has already seperated Ladakh as a new Indian Union territory, which is a right move, the population there are Buddhists who are culturally and racially Tibetan like. They need not be part of this Hindu Muslim fiasco of the predominantly Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid desi racial types. Ladakh could be an independent country like Bhutan.
Kashmiri Hindus or Pundits be paid compensation as they were kicked out of the valley by Muslim terrorists/ revolutionaries and be settled in Hindu Jammu which will be a part of India. The Kashmiri Muslims of the Valley could join the Kashmiris of Pakistan and determine their fate, Independent country or be part of Pakistan. Also do not forget that, many other populations like Baltistanis (Muslim Tibetans), Kalash (Nordic looking ancient population) etc…do not consider themselves Kashmiris, so a solution needs to be found for them.
Indian North-East- Should be given Independence, but part of the land of Nagas is under Burmese/Myanmarese control which should be joined up with Indian Nagaland to be given Independence as part of a federal Government of many ethnic groups free of New Delhi rule. Even the Buddhists of the Chittagong Hill tracts of Bangladesh should be given Indpendence of Dhaka’s rule and joined up with this new Independent federal country.
All Indians/Hindus and Bangladeshis/Muslims (Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid racial types) should be forcefully expelled from the new country of predominantly Mongoloid, Mongoloid-Australoid racial types..
Sikkim should be given Independence, the descendant of the last Sikkimese King/Chongyal, who was backstabbed by India should be brought back. India should apologize and return the lands of Darjaleeng (now part of West Bengal state of India) to Independent Kingdom of Sikkim. It was taken by the British and given to Bengal, maybe as compensation of a Sikkimese attack on Bengal.
ISIS 复活节大屠杀，斯里兰卡，2020
中文 复活节袭击中的目标：PCoI 报告和其他调查中未回答的基本问题
在斯里兰卡进行联合海洋勘探的四名中国海洋科学家在金斯伯里酒店遇袭中丧生。 值得注意的是，毗邻香格里拉的美国和印度拥有的希尔顿和泰姬酒店没有受到影响
袭击的经济和地缘政治目标似乎旨在发送一个 给中国的密码信息——放弃斯里兰卡的海域。 [1]
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警察嗅探犬瞄准了希尔顿酒店的一间公寓。
管理层起初不合作，在警方的催促下，不情愿地联系了两名自称是 FUS 外交官的居民。
发现了两个炸药探测器， 嗅探犬被触发，因为该设备最近与炸药接触 !
此案没有进一步追究，并被上级当局激怒。
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https://www.unz.com/article/on-ukraine-the-world-majority-sides-with-russia-over-u-s/#comment-5318002
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https://thuppahis.com/2019/05/03/explosives-us-embassy-plot-in-colombo-sniffed-out-by-police-dogs/
Yes and yes. I think if the elites weren’t so corrupt, they’d find a way to work it out, but it seems to be a swamp of corruption over there. Theoretically, they have a framework to get it together, but utterly fail in application. Balochistan is a huge chunk of that country so losing it is not really a viable option.
As far as the rest of your comments about dividing up territories here and there and expelling people here and there in the larger region…well, I don’t really know where to begin since it all sounds good in theory, but I don’t know enough about the various subjects to know if it’ll buy the region centuries of peace or kick off WW3.
Pakistan then was a staunch American ally, when the Bangladeshi Resistance movement (Shantibahini) took place against Islamabad’s rule. When India decided to intervene on the side of the Bangladeshi rebels, the USA and UK sent naval fleets with air craft carriers to bully India as Pakistan was their ally. Even China was making noises at the border with India on Pakistan’s request. It was the USSR who saved India by dispatching a submarine fleet from Vladivostok and reaching the Indian Ocean before the USA. The USSR even warned China form making any moves against India.
The Indian Army then moved in, an unstoppable force, forcing the Pakistanis to surrender. 90000 Pakistanis surrendered to the Indian Army and became POWs and Bangladesh was liberated from Pakistani Rule.
How Indian Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw treated Pakistani POWs of 1971 war
So it was not CIA. The CIA was helping Pakistan against India. And lost.
Napoleon trying to invade India through Iran…damn, what a concept!!! And that guy honestly had the ambition to try it too! I don’t think the French economized their ability to make use of local auxiliaries under French officers like the British did (or even the Ottomans). The Brits were masters at it. Napoleon made it all the way to Syria relying basically on all French troops, but had to turn back because the British got involved.
Only fools and illiterate people trust a think tank funded by the US government to spread their propaganda as ‘facts’.
This think tank, The UNITED STATES INSTITUTE of PEACE, has been established and FUNDED by the congress and Reagan signed into law to spread PROPAGANDA against its victims using gullible and sell out people for the production of its LIES. Don’t copy and paste these lies here.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/aug/06/irans-troubled-provinces-baluchistan
[The United States Institute of Peace (USIP) is an American federal institution tasked with promoting conflict resolution and prevention worldwide. It provides research, analysis, and training to individuals in diplomacy, mediation, and other peace-building measures.
Following years of proposals for a national “peace academy”, the USIP was established in 1984 by Congressional legislation signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. ]
‘Iranprime’ that link this, is funded by the western intelligence services to spread propaganda. Everyone with shallow knowledge of Iran policy knows this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Institute_of_Peace
Why only take the example of Spain as a Western country. Why not the UK, which gave the right to Scotland to seek Independence (under the fishface scumbag Salmond)? When will India give the same chance to Kashmir, Indian North East (especailly Nagaland), Khalistan/Punjab to sucede via people’s will? When will Pakistan give the same chance to Balochistan, North West Frontier (Pathans) to sucede via people’s will? When will Iran give the same chance to Kurshistan, Balochistan,etc..to sucede via people’s will? When will Turkey give the same chance to Kurshistan to sucede via people’s will? When will China give the same chance to Tibet, East Turkistan (Xinjiang), Southern Mongolia to sucede via people’s will? When will Indonesia give the same chance to Western Papua (Irian Jaya), Aceh etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Myanmar give the same chance to Karens, Kachinas, Mons etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Nigeria give the same chance to Biafrans/Ibos etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Kenya give the same chance to Somalis of the North etc… to sucede via people’s will?
你疯了吗，苏格兰有机会独立，苏格兰人拒绝了。 即使苏格兰拥有英国的大部分北海石油
This dumb theory of West “stealing resources and keeping everybody down” was a myth created by the Warsaw Pact Commies to explain to their own people why the populations of the West, including their Working classes were so much more prosperous than those in the Warsaw Pact World. This has been admitted by KGB agent Jack Barsky. This is a continuation of the “Colonies being exploited and market for European goods” bullshit of the Marxists when hey were surprised that their crackpot prophet Marx’s dumb prediction of revolution of the proletariat did not materialize in Industrialized Capitalist societies of Western Europe. The truth is, most non White colonies consumed only a tiny percentage of European goods during colonialism. Most of the trade of Britain for example was with the rest of Europe and the USA. Not only that, but British Indian industrial products was already out-competing British products in the China market. Most of Indian cotton was imported by Japan while Britain used more American cotton. So by that dumb theory, Japan was “colonising-exploiting” India, and Britain was “colonising-exploiting” the USA (in the 1800s after the American War of Independence)!!!What?? Stop with dumb theories.
So you support the North Sudanese Muslims exploiting the Southern Sudanese Christian tribes? Of course you would do that. Why don’t you prater you bullshit in front a big huge, Dinka dude.
这就是白人民族主义者想要脱离 ZOG 华盛顿政权的目的。 支持他们。
Parasitic lifestyle??? What? So is Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Germany, Finland, Australia etc… all parasitic lifestyle??
When I wrote:
[Only a ‘Hindi’ spreads these LIES around. Baloch people are an Iranian people who live mainly in the Balochistan region..]
I referred to the following lies that you pasted here.
[What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters.]
But, your provided paragraphs does not have the lines related to ‘Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves.’
The reason is that these lines are lies, because Baloch are an Iranian people.
You are right, it was inter-European competition which drove European overseas Empires as well as the Russian land Empire (though Russia had other factors, seeking ports and fear of the Steppe invaders in the east). Later, similar insecurities/competitions led to the USA (pre-Ww2) and japan joining in the race.
False, both the Russian Empire and the British Empire feared each other moving into their Empires. The Russians feared the British moving into the Central Asian region of the Russian Empire and the British were afraid that because the Russians seeked good ports, the Russians would move into its Indian Empire and take Karachi port. Fun fact: During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Pakistanis were afraid of the same, of Soviets taking Karachi. Tzarist Russia became USSR and British India became partially Pakistan, geopolitics remains the same. A lot of the issues of Tibet and Afghanistan was because of this Great Game. Nothing abnormal about it.
How is Britain an evil Empire, why would it not try to protect it’s empire like any other Empire in history? Indeed the British Empire was the most benevolent Empire in human history for the people who became part of it. There were a few bad chapters but the good done far far far outweighed the bad. It was the British Empire which stamped out slavery in Africa, gave rights to lower caste Hindus and liberated them from Brahman rule, liberated Hindus from brutal Islamic rule, liberated Muslims of Pakistan from Sikh rule etc…
Why don’t you talk about Persian Emperor Nadir Shah and his invasion and looting of Indian Emperor Mohammed Shah. This was one of the greatest looting of a country in human history. Nader Shah looted out the Peacock Throne of India, thereafter, served as a symbol of Iranian imperial might. It is estimated that Nader took away with him treasures worth as much as seven hundred million rupees. Among a trove of other fabulous jewels, Nader also looted the Koh-i-Noor (meaning “Mountain of Light” in Persian) and Darya-ye Noor (meaning “Sea of Light”) diamonds. The Iranian troops left Delhi at the beginning of May 1739, the booty they had collected was loaded on 700 elephants, 4,000 camels, and 12,000 horses. On Nader’s return to Iran, Sikh warriors fell upon the foreign invader Iranian army and seized some of the loot and freed the slaves in captivity.
So is Iran still living on the parasitism of ancient looted Indian wealth? Should Iran be asked to pay compensation, wealth gained by taxing of millions of poor Indian farmers toiling in the sun? What if Indian nationalists put a 5% interest and make calculations and come up with figures like $2000 trillion that Iran would have to pay to India as compensation???
感谢您的更新。
It is quite annoying how Murkans keep trying to insist on being the Prima Donna of any event.
“If we stop buying Chinese goods, the country will collapse”…what a laugh.
Fortunately we seem to be at the very cusp of the event. I have been preparing for more than 10 years, and was amazed at how long they managed to keep kicking the can down the road. At last Russia has triggered the sequence of events. Slava Rossiya!
不，他们没有，这是典型的中国废话宣传，以掩盖自己的大片。 没有一个文件可以证明这一点。 如果日本人觉得他们比其他亚洲人优越，印度革命者苏巴斯·钱德拉·鲍斯就不会与他们结盟。 日本人实际上是在努力结束亚洲的欧洲帝国。 日本人对征服世界没有任何兴趣，德国人也没有，所有三流的二战宣传。
事实更像是苏联的康门特里姆决定针对日本和波兰，而中共听从了他们的白苏联主人的命令，在国民党和日本人之间挑起了一场战争，后来又在美国的帮助下（谁背叛了国民党），在中国掌权。 关于他的我已经写得够多了，我不会再重复了。
This “honourary White” theory is a third rate propaganda by the Chinese, I have explained why Fukuzawa San thought the way he did, his desires for reforms in Asia to take on White race, his pain after the death of his favourite Korean student. There is nothing unique about European Empires, humans have always built Empires and many Empires before the Europeans were far more brutal. How do you explain the Islamic conquests and rape of India? Chinese invasion of Vietnam?
It was acceptable at the original Bretton Woods system when gold was convertible to dollars and vice versa.
Since then the consent of nations has been abrogated several times by Mafia Don aka USG. Today its continued use by the bullied villagers can only be sustained through the don’s hitman and enforcer aka US Military.
Now the roller coaster has just been released from its start point. The double digit inflation in the West is just the start of things to come.
Don’t forget about the illegally annexed Hawaii too.
While we are at it, we can also return North America to the Native Americans/First Nations.
我喜欢阅读您的评论并开始大声笑，然后我意识到这不是讽刺。
我真的希望你们的美国同胞中没有多少人分享这种扭曲的世界观。
The fact of Agency interference is established, as well as the British mercs;
I can only assume their target was the 英国的 sphere of influence.
Wrong, most Indians believe that the original Aryans were Indians and went and civilized the World. All civilization comes from India. Interestingly the first person to put out this theory was a British Colonel in the British Indian Army, Colonel Olcott.
I have always wondered why India holds so fast to Nagaland –
a useless jungle full of fetid insurgents (or so), good only as a training ground for
the armed forces – unless they have designs on Burma (read: Arakan*).
Restoring Sikkim would remove 练习 major friction point with China;
(of course the India/Bangla border – based solely on the Right to Eat Cow –
is one of the most famously idiotic in the world, rivalled only by Baarle-Hertog).
Leaving the Nagas (and the associated ulcers) to the Burmese would simplify things
a lot, as well as benefit the mountain tribes (+/- independence).
*Arakan now being a flashpoint between the US and China it is better not to be there
anyway, unless India still believes in the Andaman Fortress.
But at least Islam protects them from Cultural Marxism. Western women are twerking their ass to ghetto thugs. So I do not know what to say. If the West was like it was more traditional, like during the 50’s at least, we would have a point.
I have found over the years that it is often only the 主意 of a task which seems daunting, Realist, but as soon as we lay aside fear of failure or that feeling of undertaking a seemingly overwhelming task, and begin taking those small actions, those little steps toward independance, things are seldom as overwhelming as we feared.
Simple actions like printing/posting flyers throughout our neigbourhoods suggesting garden-sharing for food growing, skill-sharing workshops, and other such community-strengthening activities, generate a surprising level of interest and support. And, as long as we are mature enough to keep our egos in check, that interest can be maintained and grow.
When we start small, things are easier. When we try to fix everything all at once, or imagine we have to, then inertia all too easily sets in.
I have also found that work that seems daunting, difficult or overwelming before one begins is actually a lot easier than the imagination of it.
I speak as an (almost) middle-aged woman currently undertaking the task of bringing several newly cleared mountain terraces into production; landscaping using only hand tools; breaking new ground by sheer will-power and enxhada (indespensable digging tool); building hugleculture beds by hand… etc. (I tell folks I only make it look easy, but the truth is, it is all easier than it looks once one gets going.)
The point is that, as difficult as we may imagine the task at hand to be, the actual doing of it – step by step, day by day, flyer by flyer – is much easier and much simpler than our over-active minds (not to be confused with interlect) would have us believe.
I hope you are encuraged to take the first small step, whatever it may be, Realist.
带着爱，
卡利
RAW 是 evul 的，但 ISI 是纯的。 哈哈。
有一个维基百科条目
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
巴基斯坦和国家支持的恐怖主义
ISI 经常被指控在印度的重大恐怖袭击中发挥作用，包括克什米尔的恐怖主义，[42][43] 2006 年 44 月的孟买火车爆炸案，[2001] 45 年印度议会袭击，[2006] 46 年瓦拉纳西爆炸案，[2007] 47 年 48 月的海得拉巴爆炸案，[2008][49] 和 50 年 XNUMX 月的孟买袭击。 [XNUMX][XNUMX]
The ISI is also accused of supporting Taliban forces[51] and recruiting and training mujahideen[51][52] to fight in Afghanistan[53][54] and Kashmir.[54] Based on communication intercepts, US intelligence agencies concluded Pakistan’s ISI was behind the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul on 7 July 2008, a charge that the governments of India and Afghanistan had laid previously.[55]
据信，巴基斯坦情报机构 ISI 正在帮助这些组织消灭被视为敌人或反对其事业的人，包括印度、俄罗斯、中国、以色列、美国、英国和北约的其他成员。 [56 ]
China’s best friend. Birds of a feather. LOL
甚至孟加拉国也对巴基斯坦的 ISI 感到愤怒
说你朋友的好话。
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/17/c_1310316894.htm\
习近平称中国将继续促进与以色列的关系 – Xinhua
To be sure Uncle Arthur, it was there in my junk folder all along. Thank you for this message or I might have missed it altogether.
I will reply later today or tomorrow from my proton account. Not sure what I can do about the pool thing, but afternoon tea and a cooling mountain breeze are specialities of the house. ☺
Thank you for the music!! ❤
非常喜欢，
卡利
Yes the Kurds are a very good analogy… it would also appear that just like the west tries to use the Kurds against others – it is doing the same thing in this case. Like the Kurds these ppl aren’t smart enough to know they will be left high and dry when they are no longer of use to the west.
So wait – now blacks are responsible for stripping culture too??? Before I saw the light – and used to attend those things in the US based on invitation I rarely ever saw a black patron nor black stripper. The men were mostly middle aged white corporate types and the dancers were mainly Eastern European women. The owners were most assuredly not white either. Matter of fact most of the ones that became synonymous with “ghetto culture” were not owned by any minority either… they were owned by white organized crime… and I’m not guessing about that one. You know – kind of like the heroin trade (which admittedly did get infiltrated by the Hong Kong organized crime also). Like street gangs and the drug trade – blacks followed whites into the stripping and porn industries and turned it into pop culture – but they certainly didn’t start any of the above.
巴基斯坦男人也不比他们的邻国更令人毛骨悚然（视频中的那些男人肯定有邪恶的意图）。 服用一粒西方女性，问她们在巴基斯坦或印度是否觉得独自一人更安全。 让我知道结果。 根据我自己的轶事证据，我可以猜到。
Truth is always painful but it’ll set you free!
Hawaiians were savages before the White man showed up but Tibetans were NOT savages but peaceful Buddhists. You Chinese were savages!
They are not ‘Chinese’ but AMERICAN goods albeit made or assembled in China such as Apple’s iPhones, DELL PCs, CISCO routers, etc. If Americans stop buying those AMERICAN goods, then those AMERICAN companies will collapse. Those AMERICAN goods account for 50% of China’s exports to the USA with the rest made up of intermediate goods such as fabricated metals, auto parts, electronics subsystems, mechanical components, etc. which are sold to US manufacturing industries. In both cases, US importers and US manufacturers pay the import tariffs imposed by the Trump Administration on China’s exports to the USA, not the Chinese factories hired to manufacture those AMERICAN goods or intermediate goods. This was the reason why Tim Cook asked then President Trump not to impose 25% tariffs on Apple’s iPhones imported from China because Apple would lose market share to Samsung whose consumer electronics products are assembled in and exported out of Vietnam. Chinese manufacturers such as OPPO, Vivo, Xiaomi, etc., comprise the top ten smartphone brands in the world but they don’t sell to the US market. So Trump’s Tariffs didn’t affect them at all but Trump’s Tech ban against Huawei did push them to use smartphone chipsets from Taiwan-based Mediatek instead of US-based Qualcomm.
The USD pyramid scheme has been going on for five decades now since Kissinger sold ‘put’ options on the Petrodollar to the Arab Sheikdoms. Anybody using the Petrodollar System loses money over time due to USD inflation caused by the US Federal Reserve System. Now Putin wants to kill the Petrodollar by selling ‘put’ options on the Petroruble to the EU, China and India which poses an existential threat to the USD Empire of the US Federal Reserve System which is enforced by the presence of 900+ US military bases worldwide. But Russia possesses 6,000 nuclear warheads which can be delivered by hypersonic missiles to any destination worldwide. That’s what’s keeping the Pentagon’s top brass from directly attacking Russia in the aftermath of the War in Ukraine.
你可能是对的，但经过几分钟的搜索，唯一的一点是可汗已经接受了早些时候另一个女人的私生女的责任。
你可能是对的，但如果是这样，帕基斯不信任可汗在戈德史密斯的后代也是正确的，他们自动拥有双重国籍，所以可以做任何他们想做的事，只要他们在任何后果之前到达“以色列”。
Chiang backstabbed the CCP which he expelled from the KMT, not the other way around. No, Soviet Comintern agents wanted the CCP to join the KMT which was the Soviet condition for supporting the ROC. The KMT received American help not the CCP which had to help itself with Japanese weapons left-behind by the Soviet Red Army in Manchuria.
You should apply for a job in Bollywood as a scriptwriter for Science Fiction movies.
It might have left the Kurds, for the time being, high and dry due to the ongoing geopolitical reasons but the American intervention has left many in the neighborhood in a weakened position, e.g. Turkey, Iraq and Iran.
Likewise, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran will be adversely affected when the outsiders begin to take serious interest in Balochistan.
Unfortunately, Iran will be most affected since they will face the double whammy of the Kurds wanting independence and now the Balochis too agitating for the same.
So, in the long run, the Kurds and the Balochis will have weakened enemies all around them, Chinese interference notwithstanding.
一个典型的印度白人/日本恋物癖者再次吐出“胡说八道宣传以掩盖他自己的大片”。 日本鬼子对中国人民和民族造成的伤害，比其他所有帝国主义加起来还要大几百甚至几千倍。
这就是马尼拉发生的事情：
日本人在中国的所作所为在规模和强度上大了一千倍。 日本人对东南亚人民负有类似的血债。
既然“在欧洲人之前的许多帝国都更加残酷”，那么“印度革命者苏巴斯·钱德拉·博斯”为什么还要费心与日本人“结盟”来对抗英国这个欧洲帝国，据你说，不是那么“野蛮”吗？！！ 你有没有想过日本人的领导层和 Bose 正在互相利用对方来对付他们共同的敌人英国人？！ 你真的希望我相信所有的印第安人，包括 Bose 在内，都是圣徒吗？
印第安人很幸运，他们住得有点远，以至于日本人无法到达他们，他们可以负担得起为了自己的乐趣而玩日本人恋物癖——就像你正在做的那样。
当然，“日本人实际上是在努力在亚洲终结欧洲帝国”，这样他们自己就可以接管他们的战利品。 “日本人对征服世界没有任何兴趣”也是事实，但他们有征服东亚和东南亚的兴趣，甚至将目光投向了印度。 德国人对欧洲也是如此。 日本人和德国人知道他们没有能力征服整个世界！
你的都是 4th rate white/jap fetish talk！
“事实是”，每个热血的中国人都想与日本侵略者/侵略者抗衡。 他们不需要“接受白人苏联主人的命令”就可以这样做。 中国人之所以选择站在盟军一边，是因为他们在东亚都有同一个敌人。
印度通灵者非常有趣。 在较早的帖子中，我只是表示，在 1962 年和最近在加勒万河谷的冲突中，穆里坎人利用中印分歧“搅局”，这是真的，你在因为那个脖子，并指责我暗示印度是/是美国的客户——这是我没有做的！ 现在你明确表示“中共听从了他们的白人苏联主人的命令！！！” 印度人早上有没有在镜子里照过自己？！
“伊斯兰征服和强奸印度，或中国入侵越南”如何、如何以及如何……排除日本人征服、强奸……他们认为低人一等的东亚和东南亚人民的可能性？？？！ ！！
After a period of Hellenisation during the Seleucid Empire, Balochistan came under rule of the Mauryan dynasty from India, forming its westernmost fringe. Next came the Scythians, known popularly as the Saka, after whom Sistan get its name (old Shakastan). They were followed by the Parthians, the Kushans and the Sassanids. Till this time, Balochistan had a mixed Hindu-Buddhist culture, as mentioned by the Chinese monk Xuanzang in his travel memoirs. In the seventh century, defeat of the Sassanids brought in Arab rule, and Islam was introduced in the region, which has since shaped the culture of this land. Even after this time, the Makran coast of Balochistan was considered the westernmost expanse of India, as mentioned by Al Biruni in Alberuni’s India, written in the eleventh century. During the Safavid period, Makran coast of Balochistan had many Portuguese outposts, who had established a vast maritime empire in the Indian Ocean. The Portuguese brought over Africans bought from Arab slavers. These slaves, later on, were released and absorbed within the local population, mostly among Balochis living along the Makran coast. They call this group nokar (servants), emphasising their non-Balochi origin.
Today Balochis in Iran are getting affected by Sunni Wahabism. Older generations had mostly Iranian names, but names given to the new generation are almost entirely Arabic. Nowroz and other Iranian festivals which were earlier celebrated, are now rejected as non-Islamic culture, influenced by Wahhabi ideologies. Sunni Balochis are not fans of the moral values of the rest of non-Muslim/Shia Muslims of Iran, and they regard the freedom of other Iranian women—in comparison to Balochi women— the result of the lack of manliness of their male relatives.
Older generations had mostly Iranian names, but names given to the new generation are almost entirely Arabic. Nowroz and other Iranian festivals which were earlier celebrated, are now rejected as non-Islamic culture, influenced by Wahhabi ideologies. Balochi people, forming only a small portion of Iran’s population (they are only two per cent of Iran’s population) and due to their unfavorable location on a volatile border with Pakistan, did not actively take part in the political movements of Iran. However, due to increased communication through social media, understanding among the Balochis and other Iranians has increased in recent times. But being from the Sunni sect of Islam, Balochis remain vulnerable to Wahhabi influence, which is hardline, regressive and intolerant. This has hampered efforts in building confidence with the Shia-dominated central government, and Balochistan remains neglected and underdeveloped.
Lacking industry, the source of income of the people in the region is from agriculture, animal husbandry, handicrafts and business, at times, governmental jobs. Fishing in the Gulf of Oman is the mainstay for the people residing along the Makran coast, which stretches into Pakistan, all the way to Karachi. However, drought and flood periodically destroy agriculture, bringing great hardship for the locals. The region is deprived of necessary facilities like hospitals, schools and drinking water. Communication between the Balochis and other Iranians is limited to tourism, or through business in Chabahar port. Many from the province have left the country to migrate to neighboring Oman or some other developed countries of the Persian Gulf in search of better economic opportunities.
可汗的后代，和所有富有的巴基斯坦人一样，只会为自己着想，毕竟，他们一定从犹太人杰米玛那里继承了很多“商业”基因。
[为什么不是英国，它赋予了苏格兰寻求独立的权利……]
除非被迫，否则英国人从不赋予苏格兰分离权。 英国有能力允许这一进程继续进行的原因是，英国非常清楚苏格兰还没有准备好分离，并在桌子底下做了大量的政治工作来推迟分离。 当英国意识到无法控制流程的那一天，“爱尔兰方法”将应用于苏格兰。 只有傻瓜才会认为英国是最仁慈的帝国。 他们杀死了数百万人，其中大多数是穆斯林。 几十年来，英国、美国和他们的狗，以色列和沙特阿拉伯，为了西方的利益，包括犹太复国主义的大屠杀者，一直在努力瓜分伊朗。 1971 年沙阿期间，英国与伊朗分离的最后一个领土是巴林。 从那时起，犯罪的西方已经花费数十亿美元通过战争和非法制裁来瓜分伊朗。 他们花费数十亿美元聘请叛徒，资助许多智库进行宣传战以欺骗公众，但他们没有成功。 这并不意味着他们有一天可能不会得到最喜欢的结果。 他们可能会也可能不会。 英国、美国、以色列等恐怖国家的这些非法犯罪活动将造成巨大的损失，使大量资源无法用于造福人民的发展项目，以阻止敌人。
中国很幸运有苏联在身边，所以西方把注意力集中在俄罗斯，而对中国置之不理。 这就是为什么中国能够发展自己，而印度仍然是西方的殖民地，无法接近中国，尽管西方，尤其是英国，一直保护着它的“宝石”。 由于“良好”的行为，对犹太复国主义和种族主义印度的殖民地没有制裁。
多少年，你认为人们能抵抗这些野蛮人及其恐怖活动吗？
伊朗必须使用许多工具来摧毁这些邪恶势力，当伊朗人民了解他们的敌人时，他们会合作。 英国，美国，以色列，沙特阿拉伯可以通过推动他人直到人们反对他们来摧毁自己。
[这种关于西方“窃取资源并让所有人失望”的愚蠢理论是华沙条约委员会创造的一个神话，旨在向他们自己的人民解释为什么西方的人口，包括他们的工人阶级，比华沙的人口要繁荣得多契约世界。]
只有在为帝国服务中受益的轻信之人才会说出这种愚蠢的说法。 对大英帝国了解不深的人都知道“鸦片战争”背后的原因，以及英国和犹太沙逊家族对中国的掠夺。 邪恶的大英帝国利用印度、阿富汗、伊朗、中国的肥沃土地种植鸦片，将鸦片作为“货币”强加于人民，将这些国家的资源带回英国，但鸦片的使用在当时是被禁止的。英国。 这项政策是导致数百万人死亡的这些国家发生饥荒和饥饿的原因。 今天，美国帝国在阿富汗也这样做，以赚取数百万美元来支付其针对土著居民的非法战争。
对于像英国和美国这样的 EVIL 帝国来说，如此之多。
大英帝国对第一次世界大战期间伊朗数百万人的死亡负责，但他们否认承认这一点。 我们追究他们的责任，并在适当的时候迫使他们为他们的危害人类罪支付赔偿。
有兴趣了解英国在伊朗大屠杀的人，可以阅读以下穆罕默德·马吉德的书：
“波斯的大饥荒和种族灭绝，1917-1919”
[Mohammad Gholi Majd 认为波斯是第一次世界大战的最大受害者，也是二十世纪可能最严重的种族灭绝的受害者。 使用美国国务院的记录，以及波斯和英国的消息来源，马吉德描述并记录了一场真正的大屠杀，但几乎没有任何文字记载。]
Yours is an encouraging attitude…but the Deep State will not be amused.
这是我听过的最愚蠢的废话。 英国给了苏格兰离开的所有权利。 把你病态的脑袋从你病态的屁股里拿出来。
没有英国作为一个仁慈的帝国是事实。
印度教徒相信英国和穆斯林联合起来杀害印度教徒。 每个人都有一些愚蠢的理论。
这证明你是一只低智商的猴子。 印度直到最后都是苏联的坚定盟友，巴基斯坦是亲美的，甚至在中苏分裂后中国也与美国合作。 1945年独立后的印度，由于大英帝国，远比中国发达。 即使在今天，印度也反对西方并支持俄罗斯。 对印度没有制裁，因为印度对每个人来说都比你那肮脏的小伊朗太重要了。
你的低智商猴子是没有界限的。 阿拉伯人从 7 世纪就开始向中国出售鸦片。 巴格达迪犹太人沙宣与英国人有什么关系？ 波斯和奥斯曼帝国与英属印度一起是世界上最大的鸦片生产国。 在英国之前，鸦片是印度早期莫卧儿政府的国家垄断企业。 甚至在英国之前，印度就在出口鸦片，因为印度鸦片质量上乘。 鸦片战争是因为中国皇帝在没有任何警告的情况下将欧洲/印度鸦片扔进海里，中国皇帝无论如何都将欧洲人视为野蛮人。 中国本身生产的鸦片是进口的 10 倍，但孟加拉鸦片的质量比当时中国生产的任何鸦片都要好（后来聪明的中国人即兴创作并种植了优质鸦片）。 鸦片产生的所有收入都流向了印度，而不是英国。 孟买的一半是建立在鸦片钱上的。 不，农民没有被迫在孟加拉种植鸦片，也没有引起饥荒。 事实上，印度承包商正在剥削印度农民，为了防止这种情况，英属印度政府将企业国有化以制止滥用行为。 鸦片是在种植其他作物之后种植的。 在英国之前，印度的饥荒要多得多，事实上，如果有一个力量阻止了印度的饥荒，那就是大英帝国。 大英帝国大力增加灌溉，修建铁路运输粮食，制定饥荒法典和灌溉法典。 正是在英国晚期，饥荒几乎从印度消失了，这在数千年前从未发生过。 甚至当孟加拉的英国人出口鸦片时，没有英国人的印度王国也在通过中亚路线向中国出口鸦片。
The US Empire is not the same as the prre-WW2 European Empires. Indeed the USA (Wall Street) funded anti-Colonial “revolutionaries” in Africa. Nobody has done more to destroy European Colonial Empires than the USA (Wall Street bankers)
Turkey seems to be having lots of problems with Pakistanis, Afghans and Arabs.
哦，拜托，这本由西方共产大学左撇子教授写的三流书已被揭穿。 我亲自揭穿了一个名叫戴维斯的高手所写的三流书。
Ervand Abrahamian comments that the book by Majd includes an “exaggerated discussion” of losses during the famine, a view he shares with Mahmood Messkoub, Abbas Milani and Rudi Matthee. Abrahamian describes calling the famine a genocide as “wild accusation” and attributes the vast majority of the 2 million deaths he estimates to cholera and typhus epidemics, as well as mostly worldwide influenza pandemic. While accepting that the total death toll could be several millions, Hormoz Ebrahimnejad says Majd’s figure is an overestimation.
Irish historian Cormac Ó Gráda, discussing the difficulty of verifying the death toll of historical famines, describes the claim of genocide as “not possible to take literally”: “Such claims are usually rhetorical, and sure signs of major disasters, but poor guides to actual mortality.” A similar view is expressed by Alidad Mafinezam and Aria Mehrabi, who state that Majd’s work suffers from serious methodological defects.
伊朗的两个粮食主产区克尔曼沙赫-哈马丹和阿塞拜疆是奥斯曼帝国与俄罗斯人的战场，英国人甚至没有参与其中。
我们 1.2 亿印度人（人类的 1/6）认为波斯要为 1877 年的饥荒中的死亡负责，当时波斯人傲慢地拒绝向印度饥饿的群众出口食物。
1877 年，在饥荒导致数百万人死亡时，伊朗人傲慢地拒绝将食物出口到马德拉斯，当时数百万印度人迫切需要食物。 中国人买了越南人的剩余，他们自己有更大的饥荒。
在适当的时候将迫使伊朗人为他们的反人类罪行支付赔偿。
谢谢。
顺便说一句，伊朗何时会为伊朗暴徒纳迪尔沙阿（Nadir Shah）大肆掠夺和盗窃印度财富而向印度偿还？ 5% 的利息可能会使这个数字达到 2000 万亿美元左右。 伊朗人掠夺我们的祖先，总有一天要还的。 1.2 亿印度民族中的印度民族主义者将确保，这是有偿的。
Cant you read properly. Do you lack brains or black eyes or both? Definitely one of them. We are talking about “making it rain”, not stripping. Raining money on women by dumb men. Check out that video of the Pakistani woman (Post 34), is there any stripping? No right, But there is raining of notes. That is common among blacks in the USA. That is what I and Bardon Kaldian have been discussing before you barged in with a dumb comment. One Indian friend of mine (topped IIT and now a Professor at Stanford) was shocked how blacks in the USA mimic lower class, low IQ, Indian/Pakistani behaviour sometimes.
Making it rain with notes. Check out the similarity with the Pakistani thug dudes in Post 34 video.
我必须覆盖哪些曲目？ 哈哈。
Highly respected Indian Judge Radhabinod Pal at the kangaroo Tokyo trials who was the most neutral, came to the conclusion that most of these atrocity were highly exaggerated and part of WW2 propaganda. He concluded that the United States had clearly provoked the war with Japan and expected Japan to act. He argued that “Even contemporary historians could think that ‘as for the present war, the Principality of Monaco, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, would have taken up arms against the United States on receipt of such a note (Hull note) as the State Department sent the Japanese Government on the eve of Pearl Harbor.’”
至于暴行，日本人想取消所有西方对亚洲的统治，事实上他们已经为此发疯了（就像你们现在一样）。 他们认为西方殖民主义和共产主义都是对亚洲有害的外国进口品，并希望它们被清除。 那些支持他们的亚洲人被认为是斗争中的盟友和兄弟，而那些反对他们的亚洲人被认为是卑鄙的，是亚洲事业的叛徒，因此是亚人。 英属印度军队的印度战俘拒绝反对帝国并继续支持帝国，被残酷地对待为怀特的叛徒和奴隶。 许多印度人拒绝反对他们的国王皇帝（不列颠君主被印度共享为国王皇帝），他在印度非常受欢迎，印度的武术种族会为他们的皇帝而战和死。 他们被认为是亚洲的叛徒，被当作亚人对待。 但是那些加入他们以消除西方影响的印度人，被视为兄弟般的兄弟和平等。 无需宣誓效忠日本或日本帝国，接受亚洲事业即可。
印度国民军的许多反殖民印度革命者的著作证明了这一点。 观看这段视频，该视频是在印度国民军的反殖民革命者日记上制作的系列视频。 英皇军90000万印度士兵被迫向日皇军30000万大军投降。 这是其中的一个场景。
在 0.44 秒时，日本指挥官询问印度战俘是否尊重甘吉桑或甘地先生。 印度战俘不理解并否认，日本指挥官踢他并殴打他。 后来一位印度人过来解释说，如果他们尊重和支持甘地，或者因此在亚洲反对大英帝国。 当印度战俘后来同意他们尊重甘地并且是他的朋友时，日本指挥官向他们鞠躬致意。 这解释了一切。
In the next video, towards the end of the video, the allies drop leaflets on the Indian soldiers of the INA supporting the Japanese Empire, that the “evul” Japanese will “never respect you and treat you like slaves”. Typical third rate Chinese, American level low grade monkey propaganda and lies. The Indians know this is lies and do not take it seriously.
That was easy, can you stop the facade and change your name to pajeet? You were trying a bit tooo hard to be all American.
The racially pure Hindu is a joke idea in theory and practice… you all lust over white skin and genetic diversity anyway…an inherently schizoid people who have inferiority and superiority complexes at the same time.
The South asian historical story only IMPROVES with other races, silly.
废话。 中共对事物的解释。 日本人正在为 Java 独立做准备，我知道这是事实。 许多东南亚和南亚反殖民革命者感谢日本。
美国与 1962 年的战争无关。 尼赫鲁和美国人相处不来。 印度指责中国入侵印度领土。 1.2 亿印度人相信这一点。 你有你的民族主义者，我们有我们的。
LMFAO。 真是个无知的混蛋。 我的朋友，去印度的乡村吧，如果上帝降临在地球上，贫瘠的乡村，他们的财富很少，他们会站在上帝的脚下，敲着头祈祷上帝把中国这个邪恶的变态国家送到遥远的遥远的远方远离我们心爱的印度。 米利森会祈祷。 如果中国离印度很远，印度人会献血他们的肾脏。
不是我个人，我喜欢中国，并且相信中国并不像大多数印度民族主义者认为的那样反印。 但是你有你的五毛，我们有我们的。 我们有我们的民族主义者，他们有 10000000% 的人认为中国是纯粹的邪恶，想要伤害光荣的印度。 数以百万计的人相信。 你有你的五毛，我们有我们的。 但不是我个人。
苏联在创建中共方面发挥了重要作用，苏联的大多数人都是白人。
公牛，美国从二战一开始就是亲中国的。 事实上，美国对日本的禁运是因为中国。 穆里坎基督教传教士，即使他们被中国人当作狗对待，也在煽动美国的教会为中国反对日本。 但是基督徒可能会以这种方式自杀。
布尔先生，中国早先接管法属印度支那是因为维希法国政府的邀请，日本在与国民党的战争打响后（唆使）到那里削减对中国的供应。 制裁之后，日本人不得不去荷属东印度群岛/印度尼西亚取油，感谢美国人的糟糕制裁。 日本帝国陆军想的是苏联，但东南亚的日本帝国海军想得到石油。 日本人应该从东方入侵苏联，因为狡猾的斯大林在首先与日本签署非侵略性条约后还是入侵了日本帝国，在适合他的时候攻击日本，并在穆里坎人的支持下！ 结果，韩国今天分裂了（这对中国有利，呵呵）。 进一步进入东南亚，即缅甸或缅甸的另一个原因是切断从英国和美国人到与日本交战的中国人的供应线。 正是这条补给线和盟军的存在是造成孟加拉饥荒的部分原因。 数以百万计的印度人死亡，因此中国可以得到供应。 同样，德国也没有征服欧洲的愿望。 奥地利反正是德国人，捷克斯洛伐克和波兰有德国少数民族，英法对德宣战后，德国不得不征服北欧，不得不征服瑞典来获得钢铁，不得不去巴尔干和希腊支持意大利（野心更大）罗马帝国 2.0 比能力）和后来的苏联先发制人（以及包括匈牙利和罗马尼亚在内的其他 5 个国家），因为苏联人无论如何都会攻击西欧。 请记住，即使希特勒是“邪恶的”，你的共产主义英雄斯大林也与纳粹签订了条约。 英帝国主义丘吉尔直到最后都拒绝与纳粹和平相处（他的犹太主人不允许这样做，但那是另一回事）所以直截了当，共产主义者与纳粹结盟，英帝国主义者拒绝这样做。 那个怎么样？
德国和日本想要征服世界是许多人仍然相信的常见的二战宣传。 两者都没有任何计划。
The idea of “ancient indian civilisation” really needs to be questioned, the words together make no sense, it’s pathetic.
look at india now and the last 1000 years, what are we left with, doesn’t that answer pretty much everything.
难怪印度人会对这样的话题感到兴奋，很多事情需要掩盖。
The Hindu mind is so jealous of China, they believe their own mythology and wonder why they are not China…its because China is actually a proper civilisation!
100% 的谎言。 在鸦片战争之前，几位中国皇帝的法令宣布鸦片是非法的。 英国人无视他们，并积极试图绕过禁令。 甚至假设你的谎言是正确的（事实并非如此）——中国皇帝在没有警告的情况下单方面摧毁了英国鸦片——派遣军舰绕地球半个地球，发动多场战争，轰炸城市，摧毁文化遗址，偷窃宝藏和杀中国人？
我没有兴趣回复一个经过认证的西方黑奴和现在的日本官方盗版者的大量废话。
Turkey had no business in South Asia but now it’s coming back to haunt you and someday it’ll haunt the Arabs too. Turks should be Christians like their Greek cousins and Pakis should be Hindus etc like their cousins in India and only the Arabs should be Muslims because their Allah knew that those no good louts were incorrigible and therefore he told Mo to straighten them out with harsh Islam where as South Asian were already gentle but introducing Islam has had the opposite effect in that those who converted to the creed of the Bedou is just as rabid as that desert beast, e.g. Taliban.
Read the book, moron.
Link posted in Post 61 of this page which writes about this.
Baloch might be an Iranian people but are not Persians proper. Tajicks are an Iranian people too. Hell even Pathans/Pastuns are an Iranian people.
You can call me Prajeet or whatever you like and if I am not White and trying to act like one then so be it and I can tell you that it beats wanting to be a sand nigger that you’re or do you prefer to be just a plain old paki … it’s isn’t about either Hindu or Paki niggas that these threads are exciting but rather it’s to do with China vs US. Let me know if you have more inspiration that can excite my fancy…
[Ervand Abrahamian comments that the book by Majd includes an “exaggerated discussion” of losses during the famine, a view he shares with Mahmood Messkoub, Abbas Milani and Rudi Matthee.]
You are a gullible person who knows shit about Iranian history and the Iranian agents of the western intelligence services. Ervand Abrahamian is a historian but he used to work with the ‘Iran opposition’ groups signing petition after petition against Iran when a religious person in iran FART. Of course, he stopped doing it after his realization of the goal of the west. Abrahamian is a left Trotskyite.
However, Abbas Milani is a traitor anti Iranian, who is a CIA asset. During the Shah era, he was a Moaist, then turned against people and became part of Iranian elite giving services to the west. Then he excaped to California working with the CIA and Israel Lobby. He, along with the zionist and terrorist agents such as Irwin Cotler, Mark Dubowitz and Payam Akhavan, goes to US and Canadian parliaments begging for more sanctions against Iranian people for ‘regime change’. Only the enemy of Iranian people uses such figures to refute the facts against the evil British empire.
How many decades did the west deny Armenian genocide for their puppet country Turkey? of course with the help of a member of the Jewish mafia figure such as Bernard Lewis? They denied the genocide for a century and still Turkish authorities do not want to accept, but the truth came out. The Iranian people will hold these British and their supporters who have benefited from the British crimes against humanity, responsible. The truth will come out soon.
The British occupied Iran during the WWI and diverted the Iranian crops to feed the British Army, denying Iranian people access to food produced in Iran. The British army should have provided food from somewhere else not the Iranian crops, especially when they are the occupiers. When you are starved, then you are not immune to diseases.
Dr. Majd believes that one third of the Iranian population was perished as the result of this policy, knowing that the evil British empire DENIED Dr. Majd having access to the British Archives.
[Iranians arrogantly refused to allow food to be exported to Madras in 1877 during famine which led to the death of millions,..]
Why do Iranian who were in the same situation, should have diverted their food stocks to Madras? The reason behind all these FAMINE, India, Iran, Afghanistan, China was the plantation of Opium, using the most fertile land extensively, because Opium was a very profitable business. The opium trade was in the hand of the Jewish Sassoon family, known as Rothschild of the East, so the British army protecting the Opium Trade with all its force.
Only the gullible people refuse to hold British and its Opium policy responsible for the famine in these countries of the EAST.
Indian Nationalists will not give an inch, they already think they lost too much with Pakistan and they blame a cabal of British and Muslims for it. “British and Muslims came together to break India to create Pakistan”.
Indians still believe that the “West, China and Muslims, all of them want to break and weaken India even further.” They are literally paranoid of this. That is why they are sensitive of giving up territory. Hell even the Chinese have similar paranoia. It now seems even Iranians (commentator Jami) have similar paranoia. I think Third World populations have a lot in common. Very similar theories about “foreign forces” and the West and each other. This is something I am observing.
The average Muslim and the average Hindutva have a lot more in common in mentality than you think. The Chinese Nationalist or the Iranian Nationalist or Indian nationalist have a lot of similarity in mentality than one would expect. They are all mirror images of each other across borders. Very interesting.
The Burmese already have so much on their plate, the Karens, the Kachins, the Mons, all of whom want Independence from the Burmese, the Nagas are tough fighters and will add more headache to the Burmese state. And do not forget the dirty Muslim Rohingyas barbarians, their behaviour was so appalling, preying on Burmese kaffirs, that even the peaceful Buddhist Burmese went Taliban style.
The best option would be to make the North East an independent federal state, with each ethnic group getting a state. Add in the Nagas of Burma and the Chittagong Hill Tract people of Bangladesh like the Chakmas and you are done.
Certainly better than the Spanish, and yet we Yanks threw them out (or sent them packing north to Canada) for raising our taxes too high and far less grievances than others had – and they spoke the same language and wore the same wigs that we did. It honestly doesn’t take all that much to convince people that some empire run from a capital half way across the world should pack up shop and go home.
好读：
https://aeon.co/essays/why-american-revolutionaries-admired-the-rebels-of-mysore
是的，没错，但是沿海的腐败中国官员允许鸦片进入。首都很远。
Guess what, when I defended China in the past (I stopped doing it anymore), Indian Nationalists called me Chinese bootlicker. when I defended Muslim in the past (I stopped doing it anymore), Hindutvas would use similar abuse. “Traitor” and what not.
How were the British behind the famine in Iran in 1870s now? Your idiotic theories make less sense as we go forward. The British did not control Iran. We never had famines in India DUE to Opium. So how did it happen in Persia? Was the Persian King, CIA agent?
Majd lives in the West, you stupid punk, in Leftists Universities. Western leftist Universities have a history of writing bullshit about Colonialism and trying to show colonialism is bad. There was this crackpot Davies, who wrote bullshit about famines in India, all of that was debunked by me on this site, by referencing original documents. The amount of shameless lying they do is mind boggling. There are many such cases. If you write honest facts about colonialism, the good things of colonialism, you may lose your job. But if you write anti-colonial bullshit, you get promoted.
Abrahamian is a left Trotskyite…so how is he an US agent? I thought US agents are all Capitalists.
就像地狱一样，印度就是众所周知的 所有男人的妓女。
在 1962 年的战争中，它得到了苏联和美国的支持。
这几天，大象
QUAD XNUMX 条腿，BRIC XNUMX 条腿。
胡说八道。
印度不加入对俄罗斯的帮派是一个 没有脑子。
否则会与 所有 它的邻居，包括三个核大国！
它根本不能背叛俄罗斯。
奥托
印度是 太大而不能小便 对于盎格鲁人来说，没有它 警戒线 中国周围将是kaput
几年前我告诉过一些印度巨魔
谁在幸灾乐祸的中国..
确实，巴拉特刚放弃谴责俄罗斯，当他们 杂音 关于“印度的人权问题”！
接下来会发生什么？
华盛顿的黑手党派出日本人、欧元和 博约 陆续到德里……到 提供投资、军事和高科技合作！
盎格鲁人非常想钉住chicom，而莫迪知道这一点。
他们不叫他们 顽固的白化石 你知道吗？
https://www.globalresearch.ca/boris-johnson-disgraceful-silence-modi-anti-muslim-campaign/5778276
The Great American Revolution huh? Against the “evul” British.
你需要检查一下
FREEMASONIC ORIGINS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Sam Adams, who also orchestrated the Boston Massacre and Battle of Lexington, was simply seeking to goad the British into such retaliation, in order to create a pretext for war and revolution.
https://jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/the-american-revolution-part-i-the-secrets-buried-at-lexington-green/
LOL The problem with you Muricans, is that you will support and admire any “rebel” against any “evul rule” and go emotional about it. America- the Revolutionary Nation. Unfortunately, the World is not that simple. Hyder Ali took over the Kingdom of Mysore via subterfuge. He was a hardcore French ally (nothing wrong with that) and especially of Dupleix. Had Dupleix’s plans gone ahead India would have become part of the French Empire, which is exactly what triggered the English response. before Dupliex, the English showed zero interest in interfering in Indian affairs.
His son Tipu Sultan, so called “great rebel” you Americans foolishly admired was a autocratic ruler who mass murdered Hindus and Christians. So when the shit Tipoo was killed off by the British, most Indians there in South India were happy. Tipu regularly called in foreign support from the Afghans (who have a history of loot and rape in India which gave rise to Ranjit Singh and his Sikh Empire in response) and the French to counter the British and their Indian allies.
Myth of Tipu Sultan of Mysore as a freedom fighter | Sandeep Balakrishna
虽然纳粹德国人杀害了许多人——尤其是犹太人和斯拉夫人——但日本人不仅杀害了他们，他们还故意尽可能长时间地拖累人类的苦难。
印度人可以/可以承受日本人的恋物癖，因为他们不是可怕的日本人危害人类罪行的受害者。 但是当谈到“孟加拉女性”，这是一个小得多的暴行时，他们看待它的眼光就大不相同了。
Honestly East and West Pakistan made no sense. They were physically separated. It was another dumb British move. It would be like Thailand and Singapore being a nation with Malaysia in between… Or Poland and France being Poland and Georgia being a nation with Ukraine in between.
Shouldn’t it be China, dumped the USSR and allied with the Capitalist USA. Mao and Nixon went lovey dovey with each other. President Nixon hated India and Indian PM Indira Gandhi, no wonder the Chinese and Nixon got so lovey dovey. Shared hatred for India makes many strange friends. India remained loyal to the USSR till the end, till the red flag flew over Kremlin. never back-stab like the cunning Chinese.
和巴基斯坦，锄头出类拔萃。 穆里卡的第一个妓女，现在的中国。
印度可以，印度不会。 如果印度完全背叛俄罗斯，穆里坎人将展示大量的好东西和核心技术转让。 印度不会背叛俄罗斯。
在阿富汗，早在阿富汗政府垮台前几个月，各方，穆里卡人、英国人、巴基斯坦人、中国人已经与塔利班同床共枕。 直到最后一天，印度仍然忠于阿富汗政府，支持大坝等工程项目。 我们没有在阿富汗政府软弱的时候背叛它，像妓女一样与塔利班混在一起。
印度给了 中指 去英国人和中国人一起去。 向这两个国家展示了他们的位置。 两人都看到了傲慢的印度中指。 哈哈。
Face-off | India’s S Jaishankar’s Sharp War of Words With British Foreign Secy Over Sanctions on Russia
Jaishankar-Wang Yi会谈：印度呼吁解放军的“侵略行为”| 新闻X
At the time of my death, I’d like to hear two things said to me:
A few seconds after my death, Jesus saying, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
A few seconds before my death, a Deep State rep saying, “You have not amused us.”
Liz Truss from the UK when recently speaking about expanding NATO – just noted that all nations need to “play by the rules” and specifically named China. She said the G7 has “options” and China “had to” trade with the west. She doesn’t seem to get what the point of the Belt & Road Initiative is specifically to reduce dependence on trade with the west and pivot toward the Global South. In her arrogance she didn’t get that is the reason China will not turn it’s back on Russia. The arrogance is frightening. French and German businesses would tell her she’s a fool. For many of their top companies – China represents 1/3 of their global sales (like Mercedes and Audi)…. She’s clueless – but arrogant.
Again – they only made it pop culture… They didn’t invent “making it rain” except to popularize. You think you are smart but you really aren’t if you believe that. Pouring money over strippers goes back long before rap music existed. Stick to talking about ethnic rivalries in India.
Rayaleast is most probably a Muslim, because many Muslims now a days are questioning Indian civilization itself. LOL LOL LMFAO. This is because, Hindus regularly accuse them of invading and destroying the ancient Indian civilization. To escape this guilt and Chinese style save face, they are questioning the existence of Indian civilization itself. LOL They need to read the writings of Greek and Chinese/Korean travelers. That is the difference in between the British and non Westerners. The British will accept responsibility and self criticize (Westerners self criticize too much and take too much guilt, non Westerners pile up bullshit atrocities). Non Westerners including Hindus (Muslims, Chinese etc..) will manipulate and twist around to do anything to portray a perfect “innocent” history of themselves. This has gone to such frenzy that the Muslims are questioning one of the oldest civilization on Earth, India. LOL Islamists and Hindutvas are soooo similar, it is not even funny. Both want a perfect history of themselves and blame the others. Earlier I though only Hindutavs did this, but this is far more common around the World.
您的“可敬的白人”分三步……
绞着白屁股，
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/senator-marco-rubio-is-greeted-by-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-picture-id464128715
鄙视亚洲同胞
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Well, sure. We didn’t want our taxes going to some fappy king in England, we’d rather them be kept at home. Furthermore, Britain control and interference of our foreign affairs was in the way of westward expansion and making deals with other powers like the Louisiana Purchase or buying Alaska off the Russians. We fought it out, hell – they even brought in German mercenaries and we won…that conversation was decided with cannons and muskets. I like to take my kids to see re-enactments of Revolutionary War battles – it’s pretty neat, people get all dressed up and really into character – even the guys playing Hessians try to only speak German.
We do have a soft side for the underdog, I’ll give you that. But this is more along the lines of, I-hope-Tipu-can-keep-British-war-resources-bogged-down-longer-so-our-revolution-goes-well. He wasn’t a freedom fighter, he was trying to keep his kingdom from being absorbed by the British, not set up some Jeffersonian utopia.
Like jami, here comes another idiot who wants to blame everything on the British. It is some kind of virulent mental disease. The Bengali Muslims wanted to join Pakistan, the British were opposed to the division of India. The Bengali Muslims wanted to join Pakistan, nothing to do with what the British wanted. Only later the East Pakistanis realized that they were treated like 2nd class shit by the arrogant snotty West Pakistanis and then they revolted. Indian nationalists blame the British for allowing Pakistan and Pakistanis blame the British for opposing Pakistan. Basically nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions, like little children and blame the British for everything. All of them need to grow up and take responsibility, but that would destroy their save face, cosmetic make up image of perfect “innocent” history. LOL BTW, do you masturbate to anti-British porn?
Yes, this kind of separation only works if you are like the US and Alaska separated by a friendly country like Canada.
The propped-up Afghan government WAS the whore, you couldn’t whore around with the Taliban because you were already sleeping with the cheapest whore on the block.
LOL
在 1962 年战争期间，即使是反华的伦敦时报也指出，如果敌对行动爆发，印度应该受到指责。
接受 USAss 报价有什么问题 after 与苏联分手？
不要回避这个问题，底线。，。
印度知道它有能力向盎格鲁人“展示中指”，因为它太大而不能小便，他们非常希望巴拉特“遏制”中国。
行动胜于雄辩，
印度什么时候退出QUAD？
为什么 Doval 邀请所有狂热的反华西方情报负责人和日本人到德里讨论天气？
https://www.indianpunchline.com/india-should-quit-quad-now/
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/doval-to-lead-first-international-intel-chiefs-meet-in-delhi/article65349074.ece
PS
所以你同意我的观点 出类拔萃的背信弃义的白种伪君子？
呵呵呵
Those peaceful buddhist Tibetans would have gladly killed you if you ever tried to go and convert them to your way of life. Ask the French. You can’t blame the Han because China was ruled by the Jurchen/Manchu at this time (You probably don’t know China has been ruled by more than one ethnic group). Because they dared to let Christian missionaries into Tibet (since Tibet was part of China) – they decided to start killing whites and burning churches. I could detail MANY more acts of violence in Tibetan history – but I will only reference this one. I don’t even like Wikipedia much – but for you it will have to suffice…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batang_uprising
除了…。
https://web.archive.org/web/20181220180456/http://www.island.lk:80/2006/03/01/features7.html
PS
为什么你对那些背信弃义的盎格鲁人保持沉默，他们捏造虚假的维吾尔族种族灭绝来陷害中国，却自欺欺人地向德里真正的穆斯林[和蒙古人种]种族灭绝者口交。 ?
谁创造了E Pak，
谁创造了以色列，
直到今天，谁画出了煽动印度/中国敌对行动的麦克马洪线？
谁吞噬了那些蒙古人王国，然后把它们扔到公共汽车下，让印度去强奸和掠夺？
https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20080706211140/http://www.newint.org/issue256/keynote.htm
如果连有良心的人都承认自己的罪责，为什么一个“印度人”要谋生？ 白色洗那些背信弃义的白痴？
呵呵呵
LOL, whatever happened to your sense of White Man’s self appointed responsibility to save the poor savages? Stealing their land is hardy saving them.
Maybe the Chinese and Russians will soon save the Native Americans when USA collapses? They will restore the land to its rightful owner.
Don’t worry, I am sure the Red Man will allow you to run casinoes so you have money to buy bread and water.
Have you never heard of the Tibetan Empire? Yeah, I guess not. Your worldview comes from Hollywood and your MSM.
My, what wisdom and magnanimity.
Your inner “enlightened Brit colonial” is speaking surely.
Do you have similar views on Kashmir and Punjab?
Unfortunately the USA has turned into an empire worse than the Brits. An empire that even denies it is one, yet taxes the world with its Petrodollar regime, and enforces it with its vaunted US military.
In this case, it’s not the “Deep State” that we need to worry about (they’re busy in Pakistan and Ukraine right now) but the ‘shallow state’, as represented by those petty officials who will almost inevitably come calling, demanding to see our ‘potato-planting-permit’, or whatever.
And this is where everything we have ever learned about the corruption and lawlessness of the state comes into play, because, in breaching the rules under which the state itself claims authority – via the unlawful, unjustifiable, war of agression against Iraq, for example, the state broke its contract with the people, and in imposing abritrary, unscientific, social-distancing, mask and ‘vax’ mandates, the state breached any remaining trust relationship with the people, and therefore has not even a semblence of legitimate authority. That’s to say, the emporer stands naked before us, and it would be wise for us to point and laugh.
Of course ‘first contact’ will always be with some petty office-holder, and maybe a local cop or two. Understanding that these people, first and formost, are men and women with families to feed, no different than anyone else, and that their jurisdiction is supoorted only by convention and habit rather than legitimacy, then interesting conversations about the nature of reality, of authority, of law and of our current situation, etc, etc, are there to be had. – Man-to-Man, so to speak, rather than “officer-to-ward”.
In these circumstances, jurisdiction is everything! The petty officials will, of course, issue whatever warnings or demands they believe they can or should, no matter how interesting they found the conversation (seeds may germinate in time) … and up through the food-chain we go…
In the meantime, our first lot of potatos are ready to lift, our beans are ready to pick and our caugettes (zuccinis) continue to give… And our community cooperative expands and strengthens. Maybe community stores are added, or food distribution networks. Mayby we’ve been joined by that first official who came to lay down the “law”. Maybe they brought their spouse and children along. Not only that, but maybe we’ve inspired others to start their own projects…
In the meantime we move through the hierarchy of state “aothority”, through the courts (whose procedural rules we have, by now, diligently studied and applied!) explaining that, for example, Gandhi said that ‘civil disobediance becomes a sacred duty when the state is lawless and corupt, that anyone bargaining with such a state shares in its lawlessness and coruption, and that there is one sovereign remedy which is non-violent non-cooperation…’ And/or arguing from the possition of a living man/woman under God and Natural Law, that we recognise no legal fiction to have authority over us…
Or anything, any aspect of law/jurisdiction/ authority that we and our group see fit to pursue.
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We have nothing to loose and everything to gain by discovering the courage needed to support our convictions, and putting the knowlege and clarity we’ve gained through our internet discourses to some practical use.
The picture I paint may not be the one another chooses to develope. Maybe you have ideas of your own or a different direction you wish to move in… But please, for goodness sake, do something other that indulge in endless and ultimatedy pointless internet discussions!– It can get quite lonely out here on the edge waiting for the ” awake” of so many internet forums to get out of bed/ out of their comfort zones and actually do something!
When even the nominal “anarchists” amongst us remain unmoving and inert through fear of the “authority” of the state, even at this late stage in the game, as the emporer stands stark, bollock naked before us, then it seems we have a very long way to go before reaching adulthood/maturity.
We do have agency. But unless we’re prepared to use it, it is utterly wasted on us.
Pep-talk over.
带着爱，
卡利
And my contention is that Tibet, not unlike Bhutan and Sikkim, was a hermit kingdom, unlike North Korea (an artificial entity at best to protect China’s flank against a resurgent Japan), and should have been left alone. India and China are both guilty of running roughshod over the seven Kingdoms of the Himalayas but latter more so than the former.
My littlereddot from Singapore (or is it Down Under?)…
Since you think I rely so much on Wikipedia, here is something I copied from it regarding the Tibetan Empire, just for you:
• 已确立的
618
• 不成立
842
Now we both know that you can’t dig up grievances going back to a thousand years because there will be no end to it and the world would come to a grinding halt, therefore, let’s keep to the last 100+ years to settle differences.
And based on that formula, China out of Tibet and East Turkmenistan, India out of Sikkim, Rohingyas out of Burma, Pakistan out of Kashmir, Israel out of Palestine, Turkey out of Cyprus, Russia out of the Kurile Islands and let’s leave Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Samoa, the Falklands, the Gibraltar, Diego García etc alone because it won’t get us anywhere.
Of course, you can keep Manchuria but Taiwan issue must be decided by the Taiwanese people through a democratic vote.
Lastly, I don’t have any problem, for the time being, Indian minority and Chinese majority in your own little island given that your two groups are able to work with West and the ownership would belong to Muslim Malays, who aren’t trustworthy like the rest of their religious kind.
IIRC Subhas Chandra 自己说他和尼赫鲁都在玩
ways (“It depends on who wins the war, but India will be free anyway”),
正如也被怀疑的那样 马雷夏尔 和戴高乐。
All Greek texts are replete of gymnosophists of India dating back thousands of years … Muslims and Pakis in particular, are a mendacious lot.
More like “honourable Black man’. The Japanese are ‘honourbale Black men’ now, denki. Soon they will claim that the ‘ancient Egyptian phraoahs wuz Japanese, we wuz kangs’. Soon denki the Japanese will make it rain in clubs, they will get along well with the Pakistanis. Imagine Pakistani women dancing and the new Japanese “niggers” making it rain yens on their shaking ass (shaking to Indian Bollywood music remember). The Pakis and Japs will become pals and China will lose Pakistan to Japan. denki, what will happen then?
我建议，中国人去巴基斯坦的舞蹈酒吧，让它下雨元，先发制人。 然后训练中国女性像那些巴基斯坦舞者一样跳舞，但警告：这将是印度宝莱坞的曲调。 印度人是精神上的人，那些中国女人会变成人，印度宝莱坞音乐是大脑控制，他们的目标是将整个世界变成盎格鲁人的人。 中国将有一支中国女性大军，听宝莱坞洗脑音乐，为盎格鲁的全球统治而战。 中国人被卡住了，denki。 该怎么办？
安倍首相坐战机，蔑视亚洲同胞！！ 具体如何？ 这是某种图片茶叶阅读吗？
谁是妓女是基于观点的，对于十亿人来说，巴基斯坦是中国的妓女。 对许多人来说，塔利班是巴基斯坦 ISI 的妓女。 有人说塔利班现在是中国的妓女。
但印度不像其他大国固守盟友，并没有去做双重交易。
保持你奇怪的反日本恋物癖。 不要试图强加给其他亚洲人。 许多印度人为日本公司工作，实际上是 Manesar，在我的城市附近是印度汽车城，到处都是日本公司（按市场份额计算，铃木是印度最大的）。 我的许多朋友在那里工作，与日本工程师和经理一起工作，他们都对此持肯定态度。 有一个耆那教宝贝，她曾经在德里的班级中名列前茅，她去了印度理工学院，去了美国，在一次日本之行中遇到并嫁给了一个日本人（他也很早就住在美国）。 地狱的保守右翼安倍家族在他们的家庭中有一位印度心脏病专家女性，Kalpana Abe。
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/how-an-indian-married-into-japans-first-family-is-changing-the-india-japan-and-the-us-trilateral/articleshow/61705621.cms?from=mdr
嫁入日本第一家庭的印度人如何改变印日美三边
大多数印度人会告诉你巴基斯坦人是邪恶的蛇，你们会听吗？ 不，所以让我们远离你的恋物癖。
Yes – it certainly does depend on perspective. India stayed loyal to the cheapest whore on the block, I will certainly give you that. The Afghani Taliban are not whores of the ISI, they are mutual allies and did actually stay loyal to each other through the thick of it. Pakistan whores itself out to China in order to avoid getting it up the rear from India – the calculus seems to be…better to whore out voluntary than risk getting raped involuntarily.
The propped-up Afghan government was only able to survive through massive foreign aid and massive military assistance of billions and billions of dollars doing its fighting for it. The Taliban and Pakistan expenditures were pennies on the dollar for the massive amounts the opposition spent – mostly the cost the Taliban paid was with lots of lives lost.
The Afghan government represented mostly foreign interests (like that of India) and that of elites of Kabul…the Taliban seemed to have represented mostly the rest of the actual country, the proof is in the pudding – Afghanistan is no stranger to civil war and is an armed populace, if they weren’t generally onboard, there would be insurgencies breaking out all over the country.
As Fred Reed once wrote about them:
“I cannot endorse the politics of the Taliban. If one of them told me that my daughter couldn’t go to school, one of us would leave the room on a stretcher. Yet as fighting men, are they not magnificent? They have only rifles, explosives, RPGs, and balls. Their enemies have unlimited air support, helicopters, armor, artillery, sophisticated communications, night-vision gear, good food and excellent medical care. The Taliban take heavy casualties, their enemies almost none. The ragheads do not even have PX privileges. Yet they have not been defeated. A fight on even terms would last perhaps five minutes.
This, for a trillion dollars.”
https://www.unz.com/freed/baez-coyne-and-reed-422/
Not to worry though, India certainly lost a fair amount of money by keeping loyal to their cheap whore, but they certainly didn’t lose as much as others did. And it doesn’t seem the Taliban are interested in stopping the current $1.5 billion trade between the two countries. Maybe in a few years, you’ll see some Tata models being sold in Kandahar.
穆斯林
犹太复国主义
呸！ 答案就在名字里，笨蛋，麦克莫汉。
无论如何，既然你们中国人总是试图向我们展示亲中国的印度人 Kishor Mehbubani 的印度视频，让我们看看他与华裔男子王赓武先生的对话。
王赓武谈印中关系
1点20分，贡武先生说，古代中国人因佛教而视印度为西方天堂。 这是针对那个声称印度文明不存在的穆斯林疯子Rayaleast。
他在 3 点 11 分说，孟加拉的英国人想与西藏进行贸易，他们害怕沙皇俄国人进入西藏。 俄罗斯人有一个优势，因为通过突厥斯坦来西藏要容易得多。 Gungwu先生进一步补充说，英国人认为承认清朝主权是有利的，他们使用了“宗主国”这个词。 英国承认清朝对西藏的宗主权，以阻止俄国人进入。 因此，俄国人将不得不在与西藏有关的事情上与清朝打交道，这使西藏在英国人看来远离俄国人。 在 4:06 分钟，他说 英国实际上支持涉及西藏的清朝中国。 He later speaks about the Mcmohan line in between British India and Qing China and soon later the Republic of India and the People’s Republic of China had a border problem which they never had before.
支持共产党反对社会主义印度的左翼西方媒体。 打哈欠。
当然，当我们韩和穆里卡做爱的时候，这是韩上级的战略决策。 毛泽东意识到中国不能同时成为两个超级大国的敌人，所以他与资本家穆里卡结交。 多么令人振奋的战略举措。 但是，当臭印度人与 Amelica 结盟时，他们会喝啤酒。 汉上将与美国结盟对抗俄罗斯，伟大的战略举措。 当劣质的臭印度人与美国结盟时，为了自己的安全利益，印度是塞波伊/搭档。 哇！！！！ 什么逻辑！！！
India is not an idiot to leave QUAD. QUAD is important for India for its security against what it perceives as an aggressive China. By the way, even without Washington’s involvement, Canberra, Tokyo, Hanoi and New Delhi have been quietly making military and intelligence alliances with each other, Washington need not be involved. Even if USA becomes pro China, these alliances and partnerships in between India, Japan, Australia and Vietnam will continue and may tomorrow even include South Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Mongolia etc… Without any direction or involvement of the USA.
Ajit Doval 是一位传奇的印度情报人员和印度爱国者。 多年来，他一直是巴基斯坦的印度 RAW 间谍。 从未发现，但巴基斯坦 ISI 声称（为了面子），他们一直都知道他是印度特工，他们正在利用他（追踪他）找出他在巴基斯坦的联系人。 哈哈。
Why he invite? My friend, Indian intelligence agency RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) already has strong intelligence sharing agreements with the Cabinet Intelligence and Research Office (Naicho) of Japan. For a long time now. Why don’t you talk about the recent strong Intelligence sharing tie ups in between the Vietnamese Tong cục Tinh bao( TC2 / Vietnamese General Department of Military Intelligence) with the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS)? Why only target India? China’s neighbours are secretly making alliances. Why they all scared?
Muslim traditionalists married up with a deep-state spy agency seems to have been a winning combo this time around in that neck of the woods…
Not surprising – fact is that Pakistan knows Afghanistan (having a huge number of Pashtun itself, last PM was one) better than India thought it knows Afghanistan…just like India knew Bangladesh better than Pakistan thought it knew Bangladesh.
You love to ingratiate yourself to Anglos. I see several others on here had to remind you how pathetic you sound. Genius – if the Brits are in power whatever partitioning that happens is their responsibility- regardless of what anyone wanted. That’s how things work in the adult world. The whole partitioning was not of the British Raj and the entire Empire was done with spite – because the Brits were upset at having to give up their empire. Boris Johnson and Liz Truss even now still exude that garbage.
Not exactly the same since Alaska was purchased from Russia. But Canada is not friendly – Canada is afraid of the US. Remember they were attacked by the US. They repelled it – but it’s always been in their mind.
Yeah, King George needed american money to finance his lifestyle, after losing America he moved into a mud hut. Britain easily produced the wealth finance King George’s court. Britain had spent money in the Anglo French wars and protected the English colonies from the garlic eating Frenchies. Who was gonna pay for that? And the taxes were extremely small. Like on tea and stamps or something. The Colonists could have avoided the taxes by not drinking the damn tea.
And now Muricans pay far more the tax that they had during British times but they have representation by a corrupt Senate and Congress. Scumbags from around the World come and buy Congressmen. Without the Revolution, the USA would have been free later on anyways like Canada, Australia or New Zealand. However Americans would not have Rights like the First of Second Amendment, but the present present ZOG Commie Government wants to get rid of that too. As far as keeping the money in the country, a lot of American money is spend all around the world in worthless campaigns which make no sense. The corrupt Pakistani ISI looted out the Muricans during the Soviet Campaign in Afghanistan. Americans work hard and pay taxes, and the money goes to foreigners anyways like corrupt Pakistani ISI officers.
The Colonists have French help. Lets not forget that. Lot of respects for George Washington, a brilliant strategist and the American founding fathers, true philosopher Kings. But if you think without French help, the colonists would have beaten one of the most powerful military in the World, I will “believe that”. Three points. One third of the Colonists did not support the American Revolution, many of them were hounded and attacked and many of them went to Canada. Number two (the video has been scrubbed off jew-Tube), the British could have continued the war if they wanted but they were losing too much money. They had some lucrative colonies in the Caribbean, they did not see it worth spending more money on the campaign in America. Of course in the long term, the Caribbean turned into backwaters and the USA turned into an industrial giant, race really matters.
One more point, many Britons back in the islands were not happy fighting the American colonists, whom they considered their blood brothers. Brother Vs Brother wars.
The British were protecting the Native Americans in the West from European settlers. That is why many Native American chiefs supported the British during the Revolutionary wars. George Washington considered these Native American nations as traitors to the freedom struggle, “bootlickers of the British”. A British victory would have been good for the Native Americans. In Canada, there have been far less conflicts in between Whites and Reds.
I am afraid you vastly underestimate the resolve of the Deep State. What did civil disobedience do for the Canadians? If things are to change in the U. S. it will most likely require the physical.
LOL
This is exactly the issue. We absolutely used the French to help gain independence – we played the Europeans off each other. You see, we didn’t want America to be split up across various European powers (Brits, French, Spanish, etc). They would have kept bringing their internecine continental conflicts over to our new continent – which is one of the reasons we came here in the first place, so that we could get involved with Europe on our terms and as we thought in our interests, not the other way around. Next we got the French officially out and then finally dealt with the Spanish. Hat tip to the Mexicans for also eliminating their influence on the continent.
Now we get the Brits to come along on our military adventures. And we tell them to desist when we want them to, like Ike telling them to cease their joint invasion of Egypt with Israel and France.
You’re telling me British politicians are less influenced by foreign money than ours? We didn’t want to automatically get called up to fight every war that Her Majesty got herself involved in like the Anzacs. We at least had a debate here and were able to sit out the wars until we wanted to get involved.
We gained no advantage by being tied to Britain and every advantage by being independent. We even got our navy up to snuff in time that we were able to do punitive assaults in Africa against Barbary Pirates. So maybe being ruled by Brits was a good thing for you guys in India to keep things in order, but we didn’t need them anymore.
And with the British out of the way, we were able to take over and settle the rest of the continent. I’ll admit that it was done with a lot of broken treaties on our part and forcible relocations, but there is honestly not much to be done about that right now. As far as conflicts with the Native Americans, it really just depends on which tribe. Some tribes actually allied with us to save themselves from complete eradication from their rivals like the Comanche who were extraordinary raiders and brilliant archers and horsemen. At the end, though much of it is tragic, the end result with European settlement of the Americas was really only going to go one way…their way of life was simply too outdated to exist across such a large swath of land and they didn’t have the military capability to prevent that from happening because they were using bows and arrows against grapeshot canon and repeating rifles.
Canada is friendly and it is also afraid of the US. Their economy is tied to ours at the hip. For better or for worse, the Canucks and we need to get along and mostly do…they are only superior to us in ice hockey. If we attack them, American fan girls of both Ryans (Gosling and Reynolds) will go ape.
Again he wants to make a fool of himself, with is virulent Anglo-phobia and uses the old Uncle Tom ruse. Hey word of wisdom, if you are non White and some one calls you Uncle Tom or Gunga Din, you are most probably speaking uncomfortable truths.
Firstly you have zero knowledge of British India. British India was not full of slaves and suddenly became free in 1947 (but according to the Chinese we are still slaves LOL). Firstly Indians during British Empire were not slaves but got more personal freedoms they had even under their own kings. And most importantly, there was continues devolution of power. 1947 was just a step in those chain of devolution of power which was going on for a long time. Do you have any idea about the Morley Minto reforms, the Ibert Bill, the Mongatue-Clemsford reforms, the Simon Commission, the government of India Act 1935 etc… Of course, you do not, you are farting nonsense, I have studied these in original documents. By 1935, Indians were more or less running India themselves, the British were just thin top soil. And it is during this period both the Bengal famine and the partition happens. I have already proven that the British tried everything to avoid partition, I cannot repeat everything again, go through my archives on this topic which includes Ambedkar’s work (leader of Dalits and author of the Indian Constitution) as well as debates in the Indian Parliament especially during the bill for the independence of India and Pakistan in 1947 in the British parliament, I have read the original bill, my grandfather was a High court Judge. the Bill itself says that henceforth the parliament of Great Britain abrogates all rights to make laws with regards to India and Pakistan and that this right is being passed on to the legislature of India and Pakistan. the debate during the Bill proves beyond any doubt that the British did not want the partition of India. They even locked up the Muslim League and the Indian National Congress in Shimla to come to a resolution to keep India together.
Now lets get to Bengal, lets give you a much needed education. East Bengal was majority Muslim and West Bengal was majority Hindu. Even though many Hindus and Muslims were poor, Hindus were over all dominant in trade and education. Throughout East Bengal you had many cases of Hindu landlords and Muslim peasants. Even today in Bangladesh, Hindus out perform Muslims in education and Business per capita. West Bengal was more industrial while East Bengal was more agricultural. Indeed Western Bengal was one of the most industrialised part of India in 1947 as it was part of the British Empire the longest, the Bengali Communist later destroyed everything, but that is a different story. The intellectual side of Bengali culture and literature was dominated by upper caste Hindus of Calcutta city i.e. Western Bengal. They were one of the first to come in contact with British culture and they soaked it up readily, there is even a Shakespeare road in Calcutta today, but this love fro British culture/ literature and art went hand in hand with a Renaissance of Bengali culture (the first of this kind in India) and flowering of Bengali literature and arts. A new Anglo-bengali culture arose in Colonial Bengal. Bengali native culture boomed among its Western educated Hindu elites. Rabindranath Tagore, the first Asian to win a Nobel prize, the man who wrote the national anthems of both India and Bangladesh, was of this type There was a small Muslim Bengali elite, this elite looked down upon their own native Bengali language, and prefered to speak Persian and Urdu. Let this sink in, Anglophile Bengalis had pride in their culture along with soaking of British Culture, Islamic influence made Bengali elites hate their own native language and culture. they wanted to be Persians and Turks!!! LOL. But as some of these Muslim Bengali elites became Western educated, they rebelled against the hatred of their own native Bengali among their elders and slavish worship of foreign Persian-Urdu-Arabic culture. Begum Rokeya is a very good case in point. 这是非常重要的。 This rising pride in Bengali language among Western educated Bengali Muslim elites would play a big part in the later 1971, Bangladesh war of Independence from Pakistan, which had a lot to do with language.
But there was always the Hindu intellectual, and economic domination of Muslims. When Lord Curzon, already divided Bengal in early 1900s, the Muslims of East Bengal welcomed it but the Hindus of West Bengal opposed it as they considered themselves the Bengali elites and thought they would lose power. They had more power in the press and they screeched and screamed against the partition of Bengal within the British India, which was later reversed. The Muslims could not counter that much as the Hindus of Calcutta had more power of the media and this left a bitter taste in their mouth. So later in 1947, the East Bengali Muslims, to counter West Bengali Hindu domination, chose to join Pakistan, their Muslim identity was important here. Later when they were ill-treated by the snotty West Pakistani elites, their linguistic identity became the rallying cry leading revolution and to Bangladesh. That is why I said the Bengali language pride movement among the Bengali Muslim elites was to play a part later.
1) utter nonsense since Tibet was an expansionist empire for centuries
2) North Korea was created by an agreement between the Soviets and the U.S. and had nothing to do with China.
You make up a lot of history
You wrote a lot for nothing. Bottom line is the Brits could have partitioned any way they want. Some decisions were just dumb – like the 2 Pakistans and many were simply spiteful to stoke ethnic tensions like in Africa – or politically like in Guayana. You are a rare species. You should go throughout all the former British Empire and tell these things directly to those countries . Make a video showing how well it works out for you.
“You make up a lot of history”
Arrant nonsense! You like to yap but everything you scribble is utter rubbish!
I can see the utility and cane even appreciate some of his stuff in defense of Britain, especially against people who claim that Britain was basically Satan incarnate, but it really stretches the level of credulity when you see him go to lengths trying to convince me that it would have been better for us if America had remained a colony of Britain. It would literally get you laughed off stage everywhere in the country. That position has zero support, they all moved to Canada already.
I doubt even any serious British person would argue that point unless completely pissed drunk in a pub.
马拉，
I take my hat off to you. You’re like an Indian lion totally surrounded and attacked by a bunch of yellow (not as in color but cowardice) Chinese hyenas.
One gets the feeling that those Chinese idiots are so deeply troubled by the truth that they spew a lot of hatred and nonsense.
But you’re holding your own, so, keep up the good work and cheers!
AB
What I wrote is easily accessible historical fact. No obscure conspiracy theory
那你为什么说鸦片战争是因为“中国皇帝把欧洲/印度的鸦片扔进海里”？ 你进一步声称“中国皇帝视欧洲人为野蛮人”（这是事实，但与鸦片战争无关）。 另外，你还没有回答，因为非法货物被外国政府没收，派军舰绕地球半个地球开战怎么可能有道理。 当然，还有一个谎言，说这次扣押是“没有任何警告的”。
你在一个句子中包装了这么多谎言，因为你想暗示战争的开始是中国（皇帝）的错，即将你心爱的英国人的野蛮行为归咎于受害者。 我什至没有提到你为了亲吻英国和日本的混蛋而吐出的其他谎言和半真半假（例如中国人生产的鸦片是鸦片的 10 倍……）。
是的，你声称中国应该让西藏（或新疆）独立，是在“保卫中国”。 当你声称日本没有发动侵略中国的战争（即中国发动了它）时，你是在“保卫中国”。 当您否认“南京大屠杀”等等时，您是在“捍卫中国”等等。
简而言之，你就像那个时代的那些邪恶的英国人，就像我们今天的愚蠢的“美国废话”：强迫性骗子，没有原则，无耻。
Cannot speak for others, but I like your optimism lady. I also find the work you are talking about very interesting – do you have any videos of similar work being done to ready terraced agriculture spaces by hand like you describe? It sounds inspiring.
Be well and don’t lose that optimism.
The honesty in this passage is refreshing:
Oh? It’s tempting…
Most Brits, particularly in Rotherham, would agree. But few would be 告诉 给我们。
Little, because they weren’t backed by their own people. Those truckers were more popular in the States, and perhaps in places like France.
有人装傻，
呵呵呵
安倍铰刀 白色 屁股。 [卢比奥]
Suga 口交 黑色的 迪克 [Austin]
安倍向731部队遇难者竖中指 SK/中国
https://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/japans-abe-kowtows-to-u-s-imperial-elite
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2971580
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就像我之前多次提到的，
实际上有两个西藏。
这是 没有盎格鲁想谈论的印度西藏......真正的种族灭绝是一毛钱，但没有盎格鲁人给老鼠屁股。
就像新疆对克什米尔一样。
图表A.
从阿鲁纳恰尔邦谋杀尼多塔尼亚。
那其实是达旺，HMDL的诞生地，1951年被印度吞并
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/migration_catalog/article18085429.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_355/nido_tania
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/migration_catalog/article18086292.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_355/rahul_1743596f
他们看起来像印度人吗？
克林顿、布什、佩洛西、卡梅伦、约翰·梅杰等，几乎所有[五个骗子]领导人都去印度向HDML致敬，在中国边境对西藏摇摆手指，而藏人、纳迦人、曼尼普尔人……整个蒙古“印度”东北部都在可怕的 AFSPA 下呻吟。
https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/indian-army-rape-us/296634
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我想假叔叔不需要介绍，一个认证的 心理
日本佬是 白色 舔屁股的人，
Ozzies 已经彻底疯狂了……
彼得·达顿
现在为什么像印度这样的好女人要和这个团伙在一起？
这是你的选择。
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我猜多瓦尔毕竟没有邀请他所有的英国朋友讨论天气，而且……
印度似乎确实属于 QUAD，同一羽毛的鸟类。
呵呵呵
这就解释了你的日本恋物癖！
西方白人是伟大的诡辩家。 印第安人（红点类型）要大一个数量级。 但马莉是同类中最好的。 他的策略似乎是写大量无关紧要的东西来压倒他的对手。
我确实说过“马拉”，“印度人”非常擅长从嘴巴两边说话。
Pure bullshit. The earlier, pre-American intervention Taliban (not today’s Taliban, I will admit) were whores of Pakistan and ISI. They were funded and directed by Pakistan and Pakistan did it to increase their influence in Afghanistan. Fact. The earlier taliban would have made Afghanistan a whore of Pakistan. In an Oxford Union video, with ex ISI chief, General Asad Durrani (by Mehdi Hassan), a turban wearing Afghan accused the ISI cheif for Pakistani interference for the destruction of Afghanistan. 2.5 millions were killed, he asks Pakistan to make an apology or be taken to court. General Duranni answered, it was done because of the situation (Soviet Occupation and later power struggle).
There has always been a power struggle in Afghanistan in between Pakistan and India. From India’s point of view, this would keep the Pakistani military divided in between East and West as well as the fears of any Islamic fundamentalist movement in Afghanistan being used by the Pakistanis in Indian Kashmir. But the Taliban now has assured India that Afghanistan will not be used as abase for Kashmiri militants/revolutionaries. I admit that it had been in India’s benefit when both the Soviets and the Americans were in Afghanistan. India and USSR were deep allies and Pakistan was an American ally funding the anti-Soviet forces. During the American period, India was smart to not put boots on the ground and the Indians actually let the Americans and their allies dot he heavy lifting of military security while India built infrastructure like the parliament, dams etc.. as well as infiltrate in Pakistan’s West even in Baluchistan. In other words, India was riding on American wings and was pissed when the USA withdrew (how arrogant, Americans/British/NATO etc.. did the fighting due to which India could do its activities). However because India did not put Indian troops on the ground, it benefited India enormously or India would have been far more unpopular. Check out Abhishek Iyer Mitra’s video on Afghanistan.
两件事情
1] The present Taliban are not as pro-Pakistan as the earlier Taliban (who were whores of Pakistan, Simple as). And since many Taliban fighters had seen their own families benefit from Indian built infrastructure, they had a more positive opinion of India than one would expect.
2] The relationship in between Pakistan and the Taliban had soured in between time period.
In other words, it is India which played a master move, did not have to put boots on the ground and gained influence in Afghan society under cover of Murica and NATO forces, who were the ones dying and wasting money. The victory of Pakistan in Afghanistan recently is a Phyrric victory, the Taliban government does not accept the Durrand line and instead of any possible problems in Indian Kashmir, Pakistan now has a border conflict with Afghanistan and has the risk of insurgency spreading into its northern Pastun areas. LOL
And as far as the earlier whore Ghani Afghan Government, they seemed quite Afghan Nationalist and had similar policies with the Taliban on one thing. They too did not accept the Durrand line with Pakistan. LOL. May be the Pakistanis thought that a Taliban Government would change its position on this issue, but disappointment.
But in Pakistan’s defense, the Durrand line is valid because the Afghan king had himself invited the British Indian Government to send delegates to demarcate the borders. The Afghan King waited till Major General Sir Frederick Roberts was in charge as the Afghans was scared shit of Roberts as Major General Roberts had flattened and gained total domination over Afghanistan in the Second Anglo Afghan War (Something the Americans and Soviets could never achieve later) and then the Afghan Emir himself invited the British Imperial Government to come to demarcate the border in between the British Empire (Pakistan today) and the Emirate of Afghanistan when Mortimer Durand, a British diplomat of the Indian Civil Service came in charge after Roberts left.
It is a lot for intelligible people, it is nothing for buffoons who are blinded by Anglo hatred mental disease.
It was not a British decision. It was a Muslim league decision. Jinnah’s decision. See, the question was British India was to be divided in between India and Pakistan. Once that decision was taken, East Pakistan was bound to be part of Pakistan, nobody then, the Muslim bengalis, the Muslim league etc… had any concept or bring up a concept of a separate Bengali Muslim country. Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan wanted East Pakistan to be part of Pakistan, not the British. The British policy was that (once they grudgingly accepted the division of India) all Muslims who wanted to be part of Pakistan could join Pakistan. The Muslim league wanted East Pakistan as part of Pakistan. Jinnah wanted it. If you say that East Pakistan was a cunning British ploy in some bazaar in Karachi, the Pakistanis will die laughing. I know Pakistan is now your slave country, and you their colonial masters, but if you are stupid enough to say something against Jinnah, the George Washington of Pakistan, you would get your ass raped.
So the Muslims of East Bengal wanted to be part of Pakistan, the Muslim League of Jinnah which created Pakistan wanted them as part of Pakistan, but this low IQ Chinese monkey showmethereal, with no idea of what he talks about thinks this was a trick. Are you freaking mad?
Indeed you are moving into Indian Nationalist territory. Hardcore Indian Nationalists believe Jinnah was a British agent and that he was sent to divide India and that Pakistan is an illegitimate colonial creation and thus it should be dismantled and return to the Indian motherland. Are you going to support this position? Is China going to oppose colonialism and support the destruction of this fake colonial creation Pakistan and support India absorbing it? Answer me bitch? Of course you wont, that is not in China’s interest, you would never support India becoming too strong. You guys are cunning slimeballs and think others like Indians, Japanese etc.. are all idiots. Your bag of tricks are too simple.
Indeed what you do not know is that even this part of India wanted to join Pakistan too. Well atleast the King, not the Hindu majority people.
Indian Nationalist Vallabhai Patel was not having any of this nonsense and sent in the Indian Army to crush this place and absorb it into India. The Pakistanis are still pissed off about this. Indeed they consider Kashmir a reverse case, where a Hindu king of a Muslim majority land joined India.
And guess what? Indian Nationalist and freedom fighter leader Patel was the one to warn Nehru that the Communist Chinese was India’s prime enemy, do not trust the Chinese, we look at them as friends but they look at us as enemies back in 1950.
So no, your idiotic theory that the British malevolently wanted to create a Pakistan divided by India has no grounds whatsoever but the ramblings of baffoon whose virulent head is stuck in his own ass.
Impossible, can you give me the reference? Nehru was completely against the Axis because Nehru, from the very beginning was pro-Soviet (even though in manners he was an Anglophile). Nehru could not stand Bose. Nehru and his father were invited to the Soviet Union to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Russian revolution and treated like superstars (to cultivate them to destroy the British Empire hehe).
Indeed most Indians today actually hate pro-Marxist Nehru as a traitor to the nation, calling him both a British as well as a Chinese agent. And most people in India worship the National Socialist Bose. There are conspiracy theories (very common in India) that Bose had escaped the plane crash of the Japanese military airplane in Taiwan and survived but Nehru was afraid, Bose was too popular and would lose power and thus had him interned in a Soviet jail.
Check out Bose’s speech in Tokyo.
If someone thinks Bose was just “using the Japanese”, they need to get their heads checked.
中情局在 1959 年武装和支持西藏的达赖喇嘛反对中国，这违反了 1951 年达成的“十七点协议”。这是它的维基百科条目：
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement
在中央情报局的协助下，达赖喇嘛随后逃往印度。 三年后，在 1962 年中苏分裂之后，尼赫鲁在 1960 年对中国发动了边境战争。
难道尼赫鲁没有得到中情局的“鼓励”来攻击中国吗？ 仅仅一年后，中情局刺杀肯尼迪，任命LBJ为美国总统，并于1964年上演了东京湾假旗事件。 宣战 LBJ 将美国作战部队派往越南。
祈祷告诉谁是这里的西方人？
错在沿海腐败的中国官员，而不是皇帝。
根据罗德尼吉尔伯特的说法
“Meanwhile two foreign envoys had set out for Peking and had failed to secure audiences. Russia had wearied of flattering Chinese vanity, and while willing to make large concessions to keep alive the overland trade between Peking and Moscow, the Tsar was not inclined to be put in the position of a tributary. A Russian ambassador who arrived at Kalgan in 1805, bringing with him enormously valuable presents, was told that if received at court he would have to kow-tow. This he refused to do, and so, after some debate, he packed up his presents and returned with them to Moscow.
1816 年，由阿默斯特勋爵率领的第二个英国使团抵达。 他被允许到达北京，并在他经过艰苦的旅行后被告知，当时嘉庆皇帝就在北京以北六英里的颐和园等着他。 由于行李还没有来，大使也没有办法换掉身上沾满旅行污渍的衣服，所以他拒绝继续往前走。 所以皇帝一直在等待，非常愤怒，他根本拒绝见阿默斯特勋爵。 任务因此返回，一事无成，但双方都怀有很大的恶意
两侧。
到这个时候，英国已经开始正式承认对华贸易的价值。 东印度公司垄断了这一运输，该运输于 1834 年到期，政府与公司之间的协议未续签。 美国与中国的独立贸易始于 1784 年，许多其他国家也在 1834 年参与其中，因此英国决定，当她的远东贸易向自由竞争和私营企业开放时，任命一名贸易主管，一名总领事全面的外交权力——换言之，促进英国在广州的利益。 第一位在任者是纳皮尔勋爵，他曾
如果他理解了中国的方法，他就没有耐心。 按照惯例，他没有通过十三行的中介请求访问广州的许可，而是继续他的职位，并试图在与总督鲁坤平等的基础上直接进行交流。
他的信极大地激怒了这位完全拒绝见他的君主，并立即禁止了中国与英国的贸易。 在这关键时刻，纳皮尔勋爵病重，不得不返回澳门，不久他就在那里去世了。 ”
“The Chinese Viceroy believed that he had registered a diplomatic victory, and was so pleased that he graciously permitted the resumption of trade. Napier’s successor got nowhere in his negotiations, but in 1836 a certain Captain Elliot was appointed trade superintendent, who, by a liberal use of soft-soap, won many concessions and laid the foundations of much future trouble. He addressed the Viceroy as a superior, accepted privileges as acts of grace, and in other ways encouraged the Chinese to believe that the British had knuckled under.
About this time the Chinese began to discover that the national supply of silver bullion was being depleted. The British traders, representing a Company long established in India, had catered to the Chinese liking for opium, and had built up an enormous trade in the drug, in which all nationalities participated, though the British naturally had the advantage because they controlled what was then the principal source of supply. Chinese officials everywhere encouraged the traffic, though it was under Imperial ban, because their commissions were enormous.
与鸦片进口相比，出口量很少，中国很快就了解到外国人正在将她的白银装船运出该国，从而耗尽了国家的库存并大大提高了金属的价值。
广州总督奉命扼杀这项业务，便照办了。 1839年，广州的外国公司奉命交出鸦片库存，无法抗拒，上缴了20,000,000万箱。 总督想把这个北方当作战利品送去，但北平命令他销毁整个缉获物，而且由于当时官场有一定的纪律，鸦片与石灰混合后扔进海里。
This act brought on China’s first real foreign war. The opium traffic was undoubtedly a heinous trade, but the officials at Canton had smiled upon it and profited by it; and their arbitrary seizure without warning of stocks valued at something like $6,000,000 was naturally resented bitterly. This sum represented much more in those days than it does now. If foreigners were to continue to trade with China, such an action had to be challenged, and the burden of the responsibility fell upon the British. In 1840 China was faced for the first time with a real foreign war, though Peking was far from realizing the significance of it. It meant no more at Court than the impertinence of a clique of pirates operating on the coast, and was taken no more seriously. The eventual shock was therefore all the more humiliating. “”
Wang Gungwu is not entirely wrong but his view that the Chinese looked to India as the ‘Western Heaven’ is not entirely true either. In Mahayana Buddhism, the ‘Pure Land’ (Sukhāvatī) is located in the ‘Western Paradise’ where the Buddha of Infinite Light (阿弥陀佛) resides and where his devout followers would be reborn after death. Wang Gungwu could be referring to the Chinese Epic called ‘Journey to the West’ wherein the ‘West’ referred to the ‘Western Regions’ which include Xinjiang, Central Asia and India as documented by the Chinese Monk Xuanzang in his historical account ‘Great Tang Records on the Western Regions’.
Methinks Gungwu incorrectly conflates the two concepts together: the mythical ‘Western Paradise’ of Pure Land Buddhism with the allegorical ‘West’ as depicted in Wu Cheng’en’s ‘Journey to the West’ or the historical ‘Western Regions’ as described in Xuanzang’s Great Tang Records on the Western Regions’.
Friend, most people in India (1.2 billion and thus 1/6th of humanity) including its Muslims as well as a,lot of people in places like Vietnam, Mongolia etc… would use those characteristics to describe China “compulsive liar, unprincipled and shameless”. Don’t believe me, do your own research in the streets of India.
我不同意他们，我周围的印度人在这个话题上，我有很多中国朋友。 所以我和他们辩论，解释了为什么中国人不像他们认为的那样是我们的敌人。 为什么我们自己的政府不是那么无辜，印度民族主义者，印度爱国者怎么称呼我？ 猜测
A variation of the above, ” lies and half-truth that I spewed out just to kiss Chinese assholes”.
你使用的所有这些技术，都是用来对付你的。 你有你的五毛，我们有我们的。
I am also arguing for India letting Kashmir, Nagaland/North East etc…gain independence and give Arunachal Pradesh/ South Tibet to China. And just as Chinese Wumaos are sensitive on the subject, Indian Wumaos are sensitive on these topics too. Indian nationalists will not give China an inch. They will bleed and die to take their territory back if they lose it. Wait a 1000 years. We have our Wumaos, you have yours.
给你举个例子。 Abhijit Chavda 是一个顽固的印度民族主义者（和大多数印度人一样）
印度能否收回 POK 和 Aksai Chin？ | #AskAbhijit E9Q6 | 阿比吉特·查夫达
他的印度观众问他这个问题。 看看他的回答。 看看他对西藏的评价。 印度人不会接受中国对西藏的统治。 印度政府正式接受它，1.2 亿，印度人不会，也永远不会。 与大多数印度民族主义者一样，查夫达也非常反英和反美。 这就是你要对付的，日本和英国什么都不是，1.2亿拥有核武器的人，学会阅读他们对中国和西藏的看法。
A history teacher in People’s Republic of China, Song Genyi questioned the Government accounts of the so called Nanking massacre. She says, no names or ID or anything was ever provided about those so called victims. She concluded, it was most probably fabricated by Chinese historians with very little evidence. She even questioned the official history (in China as well as the West) of the root cause of the Sino Japanese War of WW2, did the Japanese just attack China out of the blue or it was much more complicated than it seems? Her video went viral of Weibo (like You Tube). Her school, the Shanghai Aurora Vocational School fired her. Another teacher in China, a cute looking teacher, Li Tiantian from Hunan province, supported Song Genyi’s questioning of official history. Li Tiantian, did not question the Nanking Massacre, only Song Genyi’s freedom of speech. Guess what happened to her in China. She lost her job too and the Chinese Government sent her to a mental hospital!!! I freakin kid you not. And she was 4 months pregnant when they did this. She was crying for help on social media (a young woman) because a group of people were coming to her with needles before taking her to a mental hospital. She was taken without her will to the Yungsong Public Security Bureau. Earlier the Chinese people supported this action, as they felt they were being sympathetic to the Jap devils. But later they felt sympathetic to her situation (Li Tiantian), so the Chinese authorities forced her family to consent to her being in the mental hospital!! To save her own ass, her mother was forced to make a video claiming Li Tiantian was depressed and crazy. LOL. She actually thanked the Government for sending her to the mental hospital, if she had not, she might have ended in the mental hospital too. LOL.
But we need to ask, are democracies really better? Can a teacher in India question the official Indian Government accounts of the Julianwala Baug incident during British Empire days and speak the truth? Or about the Official Indian account of the 1962 Indo-China war where Indians are told that the evil Chinese suddenly attacked via backstab? Will such a teacher not lose his or her job and face attacks from Indian Nationalists? I am sure the teacher will not be sent to a mental institution like in China, that I am sure. LOL.
But is the West really better? Great Poet Ezra Pound who supported the Axis during WW2 was put in a mental hospital for 12 & half years!! Old woman Monika Schaefer kept in jail for questioning the Holohoax. Is the West already Communist and does not know it yet?
No he did not. Nehru and his minister Menon were extremely anti West. Unless you have concrete evidence of any kind, this is ridiculous. Nehru did not get along with the Americans, Nehru was pro-Soviet even before Indian Independence, the Soviets had invited him to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Menon the defense minister was even more leftist and was famous for making speeches attacking the West and accusing the West for their “colonial mindset”.
Indeed Nehru is considered to pro-China by Indians because of his Marxist tendencies.
https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/jawaharlal-nehru-and-how-his-love-for-marxism-affected-india
Jawaharlal Nehru And How His Love For Marxism Affected India by Aravindan Neelakandan
https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine//article59843481.ece
Nehru’s Soviet sojourn
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003123446-24/visit-motilal-jawaharlal-nehru-ussr-1927-yunel
Visit of Motilal and Jawaharlal Nehru to the USSR in 1927 从这本书
The Russian Revolution and India by A.I. Yunel
Menon was also the defense minister during the Indo-China war. From Indian Nationalist point of view, both the West and China were aggressive evil colonial forces and hell bent on destroying India.
Again not my personal view. India started collaborating with the USA secretly after the 1962 war against China and during the Indo-China war, Nehru begged the USA for air support and the Americans humiliated him (revenge time baby) but promised him support anyways. But before American involvement, the Chinese side called in a ceasefire. Before 1962, there was nothing much.
Any chance of Indo-American relations was further destroyed as Pakistan and the USA became major allies, Pakistan. Pakistan was part of the pro-USA Baghdad pact. All India got from the USA was food aid and help in agriculture. But in Industries, India went for a Soviet model with Soviet help.
Nehru was pro Soviet way before 1947 but Nehru was also influenced by the ideas of FD Roosevelt and his New Deal, Roosevelt had pro-Communist tendencies anyways. Interestingly Stalin was not as friendly to India and the Third World in general as Stalin was born in Ossetia which borders Europe and Asia, so Stalin was street smart enough to know that the Third world is hardcore shit and a waste of money. Stalin was more into Europe. Khrushchev had Trotskyist leanings and when he came to power, the USSR started taking interest in the Third World and Third World liberation movements in Africa. So Indo-Soviet relations had to wait till Khrushchev came to power in the 50s to bloom.
Pakistan was against any strong alliance with the USSR as they believed that since they are a nation built on Islam and Allah/God, they could not have strong relations with an atheist power, so Pakistan chose the USA and became a staunch US ally. So the probability of strong alliance with the USA was very low for India in those days.
LOL Kettle calling the Pot black. Or as the saying goes in India “Ulta chor kotwal ko daate” he most apt for the Chinese. Ask your Pakistani slaves, what this means. LOL.
廉价的中国宣传（也很幼稚）迫使日本做中国想做的事。
Anyways, Chinese are buying up important strategic areas of Japan and many Japanese politicians go to Beijing and come back with fat wallets and satisfied happy dicks, but it is all on tape, so possible blackmail by CCP. CCTV of CCTV. LOL. “Barbarian management” like those days of old. Hehehe
类似于印度廉价幼稚的宣传，如 sepoy。 如此羞辱印度通过调用 sepoy 来放弃其领土，除了只有印度人对幼稚的宣传和勒索水平感到发笑。 印度民族主义者自己使用这种策略，老把戏 denki。 但是当俄罗斯坦克进入乌克兰时，这个廉价的印度作为穆里卡/西方胡说八道的国家崩溃了，因为印度不顾穆里卡的威胁和哄骗而站在俄罗斯一边。 这证明了印度是独立的而不是独立的，中国的宣传在世界面前一落千丈。 看到印度中指后，王毅溜进去，王毅溜出去。 大声笑我警告你不要这种廉价的谎言和宣传，不听，现在看起来像个傻瓜。 LMFAO。
哪个国家不见了？ 哦，越南在哪里？ 为什么这么害羞谈论越南？ 中国的行动完成了不可能的事，他们激怒了共产主义越南人，是的，同样的越南人像狮子一样与美国人和奥齐斯作战。 并且还给了中国外国侵略者一个好屁股，中国人很少谈论那场战争。 因此，中国通过其咄咄逼人的战狼行为，使共产主义越南人成为澳大利亚和西方的盟友！！！！ 中国做了不可能的事。 恭喜。
Japan financed Vietnamese People’s Navy buying Submarines and India provided the Vietnamese submarine sailors training in its training camp. Communist Vietnam has signed intelligence sharing with Australia. Only China actions could make this possible. Wow!!!
哦，拜托，QUAD 是如此过时和过时。 现在我们有了QUAD plus。 看看这个。
QUAD Plus 会议
来自新西兰、韩国和 越南， 后者是东南亚/东盟第一个加入的国家，也被视为扩大 QUAD 重要性以及中国在该地区构成的日益严重威胁的又一次尝试。
Quad Plus 国家/地区 越南办公室， 新西兰， 巴西、以色列和韩国 可以成为此类国家倡议中的重要合作伙伴。
China is QUAD’s best friend. Thanks to China’s attitude, QUAD grow and grow.
也没有谈论菲律宾从印度购买针对中国海军的反舰布拉莫斯导弹。
更有趣的是，中国已经达到了几乎不可能的地步，让韩国人对中国的憎恨甚至超过了对日本的憎恨。 现在，除了让共产主义越南成为西方的盟友之外，《战狼》中国还完成了一项几乎不可能完成的任务。
https://mothership.sg/2021/08/anti-china-south-korea/
South Koreans now dislike China more than Japan, 58% surveyed feel China ‘close to evil’
Wow, what an achievement, China only steal Indian land, its OK, India take it back in future, in Korea’s case, China attempt stealing heritage. Claim Hanbok and Kimchi wuz Chinese. Chinese version of We wuz kangs Wakandaism. Did China claim Hangul script too? Do it, and see that percentage rise from 58% above to 88%. LOL.
我认为看不起其他亚洲人的不是日本，而是中间王国CCP看不起其他亚洲人，让他们都跑到西方怀特张开的臭怀里。 除了印度，印度的气味比白葡萄酒还要多。
Book by CCP —“How to not make Friends and not Influence People”. hehehehe
但是denki，你的马拉永远是中国的朋友。
I get it.. you don’t understand what is jurisdiction. Have you ever been in a court? A judge doesn’t have to listen to claimants when making a ruling. Neither does a colonizer. Anyone would know it’s a dumb idea and you are dumb for thinking the Brits couldn’t have done it differently if they felt like it. But yeah they were empire weary at that point.
I know you want to believe white people actually care about you and what you think. They didn’t then and they don’t know. Fool yourself all you want.
Your non stop insults thrown at everyone shows you are simply a frustrated soul whose own convoluted reasoning entangles himself. But it’s not all bad. I’d say about 25 percent of what you say is accurate about international things. I don’t know much about conditions inside India itself – so I make no judgement regarding that. When I see you argue with your fellow Indians I stay out of it – because I have no clue who is right or not. But I can tell you
Yeah he says a few things that are correct – but yeah a lot of irrelevant garbage. I mean arguing on behalf of Japan on this thread (I’ve seen him do it before) – I mean just gives a headache. Sometimes I wonder if it’s human. I don’t even engage it anymore. Except when it jumps on a comment I make to someone else.
If Nehru was hostile to the USA as you claim prior to the outbreak of the 1962 Sino-Indian War, then how come Nehru gave sanctuary to the Dalai Lama which led a failed CIA-armed Tibetan uprising against China in 1959?
That same year, Khrushchev visited the USA which culminated in the cancellation of the Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal upon his return visit to China. Mao was so incensed with Khrushchev‘s betrayal that it led to Sino-Soviet Split in 1960. Remember that Mao was intent on developing nuclear weapons technology as part of his ‘two-bombs-and-one-satellite’ project which he launched during the Great Leap Forward (circa 1958-1962). The USA, on the other hand, was intent on preventing Mao from acquiring nuclear weapons technology from the Soviet Union. So Eisenhower somehow managed to ‘persuade’ Khrushchev to cancel the 1957 Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal in 1959. Then, that same year, the Dalai Lama fled to India after his failed CIA-backed uprising against China. If the CIA somehow managed to ‘persuade’ Nehru to give sanctuary to the Dalai Lama, then surely they could ‘persuade’ Nehru to initiate hostilities against China which then led to the 1962 Sino-Indian border war. There was absolutely no reason why Mao would want to initiate that war, preoccupied as he was with developing nuclear weapons technology in preparation for the looming Vietnam War against the USA, which officially started with LBJ seeking US Congressional approval to send US combat troops in response to the Gulf-of-Tonkin false flag incident.
Now, you’re telling me that Indian nationalists blame China for instigating the 1962 Sino-Indian border war?
You’re full of it, just like the rest of Chinese trolls on the site.
“Abe reaming white ass. [Rubio]
Suga fellating Black dick [Austin]”
If you want to see how a nation does and acts is to go see their mini enclaves in foreign countries, so, if you live in New York you get to see the behavior of those aliens. For example, the Japanese women, when they go out with a non Japanese, it’s usually black men but the Chinese women, who far outnumber all other immigrants, almost exclusively prefer White men to the point of rejecting Chinese men and Chinese homosexuals, on the other hand, prefer blacks and Jews to rough ride them. So, overall, I would say it’s the Chinese who not only hate themselves but also prefer fellating Whites and getting reamed by blacks. Of course, you’re welcome to come see for yourself!
No, for the reason you just outlined.
Why did you think I was talking about the last war where the Taliban came from Kandahar with hat in hand needing help to win a multi-factional native civil war?
Because the Taliban are mutual allies of the ISI and not their whores, as my earlier point. The will do things in their own interests and balance it out with their mutual relationship in mind.
That was a calculated risk, even the first Taliban under Mullah Omar rejected the Durand Line. They’ll eventually have to work it out.
As I said, India might be selling cars in Afghanistan in a few years.
But none of this rebuts my claim that India was already sleeping with the biggest and cheapest whore on the block which represented foreign interests and the elites of Kabul:
“ India did many things in Afghanistan. It pumped in cash and resources and created a relationship, but perhaps its biggest failing was that it was late in [reaching out to] the other side (Taliban). Kabul is not equivalent to Afghanistan; India put too [much trust] in the US mirage there. It went late to Doha. Its reach mirrored the US’s. We must remember that the Taliban is not India’s enemy. It never was.”
https://www.theweek.in/theweek/cover/2021/08/19/taliban-has-never-been-india-enemy.amp.html
The current Taliban weren’t whores…as you yourself admitted. They represented the regular people of Afghanistan more than anyone else. And India wasted time staying loyal to the cheapest whore instead of negotiating with the non-whore and lost plenty of potential leverage in the country to China who saw the writing on the wall and will make good use of those highways and other infrastructure India built as they move their negotiated influence into the country.
Also of note Nepal discovered the CIA was using their territory to try to train insurgent Tibetans to go into China and Nepal booted them out. India gave safe haven to them and then claims it’s China who is the bad neighbor. More than the border – that backstabbing is the main issue…. That’s what Nepal and China get along well – to the consternation of India.
Ok, even better.
It was not the Chinese but the Manchus who conquered Tibet in the late early 1700s and added it to their other conquests … China, Xinjiang, Mongolia and of course Manchuria to form their Qing Dynasty, which is know in in shorthand for Western minds as Qing China. Westerners just conflate everything to “China”, not knowing the complexities involved.
Several points to note here:
1. Chinese did not conquer Tibet in 1950. Manchus did in 1700s. Tibet has been part of the modern Chinese polity longer than the USA has existed.
2. The modern PRC, is the heir of the Manchu Qing China, and Tibet is part of that inherited polity.
3. After the fall of the Qing, the subsequent Nationalist government aka Taiwan, never gave up claim on Tibet even though it was embroiled in war with Japan and later civil war with the Communists. It was the Imperial Japanese who encouraged the Tibetans to secede in order to harm China. The Japanese were the ones who designed the Tibetan flag that clueless Westerners like to wave around.
4. After the defeat of the Nationalists, the Communists aka PRC China were finally strong enough to re-established control of Tibet in 1950, it was an action not unlike the USA re-conquering a seceding CSA.
5. The Chinese had a sense of urgency to return Tibet to PRC control as it was the height of tensions with the West when it was known that the CIA and MI6 were sending agents to the Tibetans to turn them to their side. The Korean war was ongoing.
On the contrary. It will.
The only reason why the West does not consider this solution is because it will have BY FAR the most to lose…..Imagine all the people of white descent from North and South America, Australia and New Zealand returning to Europe.
All the Americans who advocate China leaving Tibet and Xinjiang do not understand the logical continuation of that proposal. The USA will lose far more than Hawaii or Puerto Rico. The whites of the whole country will have to go back to Europe.
Taiwan is just a short hand which it is conveniently known. Do you know what its full title is? Republic of China.
有些要点需要注意：
1. Taiwan regards itself as fully Chinese and its government considers itself the legitimate government of the WHOLE of China.
2. Until recently is legislative Yuan (parliament/congress) had representatives for every part of China….Can you imagine a Governor of Beijing based in Taiwan?
3. PRC’s territorial claims are inherited from Taiwan’s which is inherited from the Qing. In fact Taiwan claims more territories than PRC. And that includes Outer Mongolia too.
4. Western accusations against China’s claims on the South China Sea islands are recent. When the Nationalists/Taiwan were still in power, all those islands were recognised as Chinese territory. If you are able to find US naval maps of that area before 1949, you will see those islands demarcated as China. However after the Communists won the civil war, suddenly the West changed their mind.
5. But the Taiwanese claims on the SCS still stand. The largest island is still garrisoned by Taiwanese marines. Somehow your MSM is silent on all of this.
They are not the original inhabitants. Those are known as Orang Asli…”orginal people”. They have features that remind of the pygmies of Africa. Now they only exist in isolated communities in peninsular Malaysia. In East Malaysia, the indigenous peoples like Dayak, Dusun who tend to be Christian or native religions are being swamped by the muslim Malays, primarily for election and control purposes. Tensions are high, there are simmerings of secession.
All said and done, I am happy to return to the country of my ancestors. Are you?
Exactly…and that is my point…most people would rather go along, to get along.
你刚刚证明了我是对的——我对上述问题没有答案。 我的意思是说这是恭维！！！ 😀
LOL, “the Brits were more benevolent than the Portuguese and Spanish”
一个例证：
If the Portuguese and Spanish were like bandits who kick and clobber a victim before they slit his throat,
The Brits were like bandits who smiled and reassured a victim that he is headed to heaven before they slit his throat.
我来自哪里，很多人成为了律师。 毫无疑问，这是因为他们对毫无意义的复杂争论的文化亲和力。 如果您尝试在这些论点背后寻找正直或诚实……祝您好运。 他们只是为了争论而争论。
如果他们的身体行动和他们的言语一样丰富，他们的国家就已经是第一世界了。
他们的座右铭：为什么要做，什么时候可以谈做？
Yup. Not just Nepal, the CIA was also using India as a base against China, as documented below:
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v30/d337
Nehru must have given tacit approval to the CIA to conduct covert operations inside India for the purpose of supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against China, prior to and after his 1962 Sino-Indian War. Indian nationalists now want to claim that China was at fault for the 1962 Sino-Indian War while ignoring the historical evidence that Nehru initiated the war, most likely at the behest of the CIA which sought his help in granting refuge to the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan guerrillas in Dharmsala, India.
Hostilities vs China in 1962 was an India Vs China thing. There was no need for the CIA to get involved. And as far as helping the Dalai Lama, that was India’s own initiative. If the USA as a nation would have never existed, India would have still helped the Dalai Lama in his dire condition. Indeed Indians accuse Nehru for not doing enough for Tibet and being too pro China until 1962. But average Indians do not understand historical Sino-Tibet relations, they are basically nationalistic thaggish hotheads who expect the Indian Government to do things which are not possible in normal diplomatic situations.
However, India did start collaborating with the CIA clandestinely after 1962 though India remained pro Soviet till the end. RAW was formed after 1962, the earlier IB (Intelligence Bureau) was retired/reserved for internal intelligence and thought the IB was inherited from British Raj (thus Pakistan has an IB too along with their ISI), IB was rationally closer to the KGB but RAW had relations with CIA but RAW was formed after 1962 due to the failures of 1962.
100% of Indians blame (rightly or wrongly) China for suddenly attacking India by deception. Of course this is popular belief and it may not be the truth. Indians cannot accept India ever acting aggressively, indeed Indians believe , India is toooo peaceful and kind others take advantage of India. According to them India needs to be more strong, more aggressive to get back the traditional ancient respect we rightfully deserve from the World. The idea that India would invade any other country is beyond their conception, I mean whole streets full of people would faint by that idea. I am not joking. If say, India was responsible for that war via its Forward policy and China only responded, that is what really happened. Now if I go to streets full of people and tell them this, they would all think I am a psycho. Some would faint, some would die laughing and call a mental hospital and some would attack me for spreading rumours and being an agent of enemy country China/ traitor and probably beat me up. Any Indian here would agree with me on this.
Of course truth is truth and popular belief is popular belief.
Indian Nationalists think that China is an evil Empire ready to take over the World.
Abhijit Chavda: India 2047 vs. China 2049: is the new evil empire on the verge of global domination?
However they believe that the West is also evil and is scared of a rising China and will work against China to prevent China’s rise. And India can take advantage of this by having a temporary alliance with the West against common enemy. But in the long term they believe that the West will stop the rise of India too and work against India. they are scared of Western agents trying to break up India.
Will The West Tolerate India’s Rise As Superpower? | #AskAbhijit E14Q10 | Abhijit Chavda
Indian Nationalists believe that Europe’s and even America’s wealth came from looting India only. Renaissance in Europe was only because of Indian money only. All the Wealth of the Entire West is rightfully Indian property only. Western civilization was built on Indian wealth only. LOL.
Why Can’t India Conquer Europe & Reclaim Its Looted Wealth? | Abhijit Chavda
Indian Nationalists believe that China, Islamic World and the West are all unique evuls and India is unique good and unique peaceful civilization only. This is how most Indians think.
Also, the non-nationalistic Muslim appeasing mainstream narrative, is the Hindu-Muslim divide was entirely due to the British divide and rule policy. This is popular among the older and non-Hindutva types. This idea is on the way out I think, because of the rise of Muslim hating Hindu right wing, who think all non-Hindus are traitors.
Another preposterous idea that used to be popular, propagated mostly by the adherents and apologists of Brahmin nationalists is that the Indian caste system was a result of British policy! LOL.
Something interesting.
从
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v19/d165
165. Memorandum From the Department of State Executive Secretary (Brubeck) to the President’s Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (Bundy)0
Washington, August 10, 1962.
分科
Possibility of Sino-Indian Negotiations over the Border Problem
MALLA: The whole Indo China War issue was nothing but a border issue, nothing to do with the USA. Nehru was stuck in between Chinese repudiation of India’s whole position itself and a Nationalist Indian population which would not accept compromise.
XNUMX 亿印度人会尖叫着表示同意。
哈哈。 同意。
Exactly, what the Chinese do not realize is that there is a long tradition of “blame the British for everything” culture in India, which they are now displaying here too. But unfortunately for them, “Blame the Chinese for everything” is a thing too in India. In Indian eyes, the Chinese are in the same category as the British. LOL Whata shocker for them. LOL.
I mean if you could make a Bollywood movie, where Chinese and British secretly collaborate to destroy Great India (out of jealousy and fear of unstoppable rising India), it would be a hit, it would be digested readily by the masses. And now you can add evil Muslims collaborating with the evil Chinese and evil Westerners to destroy great India, brave Indians sacrifice their lives for their country in the movie (lot of emotional scenes of Indians bleeding dying and calling out “Mother India”, Motherland, emotional scenes of their mothers crying but still proud for losing son for motherland blah blah) and finally the macho Indian hero defeats the evil trio powers and finally the evil Muslim, White and Chinese villians are at the feet of the brave macho tough Indian hero. LOL. A movie like that would sell easy in the 1 billion strong Indian market. It could be a hit.
Yeah I wish I knew where Malla gets a lot of his ideas…. Then again – it’s probably better I don’t
There is no way for Nehru not to have known that the CIA was using India as its base for supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against a sovereign State — China — while claiming that offering refuge to the Dalai Lama — who was on the CIA payroll — was ‘India’s own initiative’. The predecessor to the RAW — IB — must have worked with the CIA in its covert operations to destabilize China during those crucial period when Mao launched his ‘two bombs and one satellite’ project to acquire or develop nuclear weapons technology for China. That’s why the Chinese had always suspected Nehru of being a sepoy to the West even though India was supposed to be the leader of the NAM while being an ally of the USSR. The Chinese leadership simply lost their faith in India’s non-aligned status after Nehru initiated the 1962 Sino-Indian War.
As far as the US-China Cold War is concerned, Nehru’s India is not the innocent party that Indian nationalists claim it to be. Mao had no reason to initiate a hot war against its giant neighbor India as he was too busy worrying about the US-China Cold War, especially after the Khrushchev betrayal forced the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960. With Nehru initiating the 1962 Sino-Indian War, Mao knew that China was now alone in the world, facing Khrushchev’s USSR to the North, Nehru’s India to the South and Chiang’s Taiwan to the East. When the Vietnam War finally came in 1964, Khrushchev was deposed in the USSR while Mao was ready to face the USA when China detonated its first A-bomb that same year. Indian nationalists can’t gloss over these geopolitical realities by simplistically painting China — not the USA — as the bad guy. After all, Mao was interested in defending Vietnam in 1964, not in invading India in 1962, as alleged by Indian nationalists. The rest as they say is history.
Hi FrodoWasAFreeman,
I was once a “Freeman” (on the land) too, before I discovered what freedom really is (it’s non-attachment, as well as full responsibility for all of ones actions, inactions, utterences…). Most of my closest and oldest friends are from that time in my life (actually, it’s how I met my husband, come to think about it). But I digress!
I’ve just done a quick search and found nothing that really shows what I’m talking about… then I searched again in Portuguese. Nada.
I am planning to build a new hugleculture bed in the next few days. Maybe I’ll try to set up my phole to record the work, as long as I don’t get overcome by shyness.
Aha! – Hubby has just found a vid which shows how to use an enxada…
I hope this is the sort of thing you were hoping for.
Thank you for your comrent and your very kind words.
亲切的问候，
卡利
By the late part of the first half of the British Raj, both the Congress and Muslim League held enormous powers, there have been elections in India since the early 1900s. The British were negotiating non-stop with the Congress and Muslim League, non stop. Why need to do that, when the British could just do anything they want.
Go check out the meaning of a Dairchy from a google (whichever search Engine) search
diarchy
/ˈdʌɪɑːki/
名词
noun: diarchy; plural noun: diarchies; noun: dyarchy; plural noun: dyarchies
government by two independent authorities (especially in India 1919–35).
Even a dictionary defines diarchy with India as an example. LOL
No, LOL I do not care if White people care about me or not, never thought on this issue really. Because historical facts are historical facts, what does Whitey not caring about me have to do with historical facts??I am confused.
Yes, I can get frustrated, frustrated at stupidity.
No idea about conditions in India in the 1930s and 40s. That is for sure. Rest, I do not judge.
The document I posted at 216 showed that the whole Indo China war was a border dispute and nothing else. And China’s position was not acceptable to the Indian population with Nehru struck in the middle of the two. Simple as that.
This document will clear everything
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v19/d214
214. Telegram From the Embassy in India to the Department of State
新德里 November 30, 1962下午5点
2178. Harriman talks with Nehru.
More continued in the page linked above.
This proves beyond doubt that it was China which invaded India not the other way round. I was always confused about which side attacked whom before this but this document (from the site you linked, thanks) proves that China invaded India and Nehru believed that this was done to humiliate India and use it to soften India for further negotiations. This was recorded in 1962 just after the war. What Mao, never calculated in his invasion was the Indian public factor. The ferocious anger and desire for retribution from the revolutionary, thuggish, machismo, extremely patriotic Indian population, which unfortunately exists to this day.
You two need to stop fellating each other so openly …
Wrong, the operations of 1961 mentions Nepal, not India. Nepal should have been accused as sepoy of the West, not India.
从报告中
Why only use the shorter Nepali border with Tibet, and not the much longer Indian border with Tibet? India was most likely not involved. The Indo China war did not take place across this border (because, India was not at this border duh!!).
进一步
Yes, agreed, after the 1962 war, India became closer to the USA but only against PRC, not the USSR. This I admit, this is fact. Indeed during the war itself, Nehru had appealed to the USA for air support.
So since 1962, India joined in with the American efforts with Nepal, while earlier, only Nepal was involved, it seems.
However you have one point, since the CIA played a part in the escape of the Dalai Lama, and India allowed them in, there might have been some American pressure on India.
如果满族征服了西藏，那么中国理应将其从束缚中解放出来。
There is a reason why I am so suspicious about Nehru being sepoy or atleast extreme sepoy. it is not that I am against China, but Nehru had a reputation of being anti-West and more pro-Leftist, post colonial, anti-colonial, third world solidarity. But it is possible he had a different publci image and secretly he sepoyed up. Personally I am not a big fan of Nehru but he is attacked by Indian Nationalists for being an enemy Chinese agent and the Chinese for being a Western agent leading to invasion of China. Lot of confusion.
Anyways there is more info
IKE AND INDIA, 1950–60
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Chapter-One-21.pdf
“By his own admission, Eisenhower was fascinated with India, although in 1956 he had not yet visited the country. He was also fascinated by Nehru, whom he regarded like most Americans at the time as “a somewhat inexplicable and occasionally exasperating personality” because he often seemed to condemn American and British actions more vigorously than he condemned Soviet behavior.3 In the fall of 1956, for example, Nehru had strongly condemned the British- French- Israeli invasion of Egypt while more mildly criticizing the Soviet invasion of Hungary.”
….snip…。
But Nehru, Eisenhower concluded, would always be tougher on European and American actions, which reminded him of British imperialism, than on Russian and Chinese activities, which were often undertaken in support of anti-imperialist nationalist movements in the developing world. China was a major topic of their discussions. Nehru pressed Eisenhower to support giving Communist China the seat in the United Nations Security Council that Nationalist China had been given in 1945 at the end of World War II, making it one of the five permanent members of the Council with the right to veto any resolution it did not approve. It was “only logical that any government controlling six hundred million people will sooner or later have to be brought into the council of nations,” Nehru argued. The prime minister dismissed any possibility that China would attack India, given the “fortunate location of the Himalayan mountain chain” on their 1,800 miles of common border. India could not afford the cost of building a defense along this long border: Taking part in an arms race would jeopardize its hopes of development. Better, Nehru concluded, that India stay neutral in the cold war and seek to build friendly ties with China.6 Eisenhower, with China’s role in the Korean War still fresh in his memory, refused to budge on China and the UN seat. There is no record in the Eisenhower notes of Nehru’s raising the Dalai Lama’s request for help against China’s occupation of Tibet.
Nehru was critical of U.S. arms sales to Pakistan, but he was confident that the two South Asian states could ultimately resolve their differences, including the dispute over Kashmir. He was more critical of Portugal, which still was holding onto its small colony in India at Goa. Because Portugal was a NATO member and an American ally, Nehru pressed Ike to get Lisbon to let go of its vestiges of empire.”
“India made clear in its subsequent diplomatic messages that it recognized China’s sovereignty over Tibet and did not intend to intervene in internal Chinese affairs, but was only protesting its use of military force.
Nehru faced pressure at home and abroad to do more. The Indian press was full of stories about Chinese atrocities in Tibet and the potential for China to use Tibet to threaten India. His own intelligence chief, B. N. Mullik, head of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) from 1950 until after Nehru died, warned Nehru that China’s move into Tibet was “sinister” and would threaten India’s interests. Mullik also thought Panikkar was too soft on China.36 In the United Nations, which had already deployed forces to fight the Chinese in Korea, there was pressure to label the PRC as an aggressor and to condemn the invasion. Nehru worked quietly both to calm down his agitated domestic constituency and to keep the Tibet issue out of the UN.
Chinese forces did not occupy all of Tibet in 1950; rather China’s strategy was to seize the border area and then negotiate full control over the kingdom with the weak theocratic government in Lhasa, which was powerless to resist the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The “stiffness” in Chinese- Indian relations caused by the invasion, as Panikkar described it, proved to be short- lived. Nehru had neither the capability nor the intention of fi ghting for control of Tibet, and Mao was not eager to overplay his very strong hand. Instead, Mao was content to gradually absorb Tibet and welcomed Nehru’s behind- the- scenes help in the UN. After all China had enough on its agenda with a full- scale war with the United States and the UN underway in Korea.
The Panch Sheela principles seemed to place India and China on a long- term path of peaceful relations. However, Nehru’s intelligence chief, B. N. Mullik, felt that the treaty was a bad bargain, ceding Indian interests in Tibet in return for vague promises of good behavior and goodwill. He wrote that a “weak and friendly Tibet” was being replaced by a “strong and belligerent China” on India’s northern border. But Mullik agreed with Nehru that India did not have the military capability to aid the Tibetans or stop Chinese advances in Tibet, because the military balance was so lopsided in Mao’s favor.42
For Nehru, in contrast, the treaty was a signifiant accomplishment. China and India had never quarreled in their long history as Asia’s great civilizations, and Nehru was convinced that they would become great nations again. Both had been the victims of imperialism, especially British imperialism. With the end of the age of imperialism, China and India could lead the newly independent countries of Asia and Africa as an alternative to the two superpowers, then engaged in the cold war.43
Thanks for the response, this looks like good exercise and good for the environment.
Please do be careful and definitely don’t record and publish yourself such that you can be recognized, you don’t know what kind of people may be observing and have unsound hearts with evil intent.
Stay safe and best of luck with your project!
[[在鸦片战争之前，几位中国皇帝的法令宣布鸦片是非法的。 英国人无视他们，并积极试图绕过禁令。]]
你说的对。 英国政府强迫中国消耗更多的鸦片以获得白银，以维持其在印度的殖民地。 中国在鸦片贸易之前，英国政府和犹太黑手党萨松和罗斯柴尔德将鸦片变成了有利可图的生意和其他地方。 在邪恶帝国及其代理人沙逊进入鸦片之前，伊朗也没有使用太多鸦片。
1829年，沙逊家族离开伊拉克前往伊朗定居在布什尔，这是一个重要的商业港口，可以将货物运往该地区的其他地方。 一家人在布什尔待了将近五年，沙宣从孟买进口商品到伊朗，终于在 1833 年完全定居孟买。 这种迁移发生在伊朗与印度贸易的鼎盛时期以及英国东印度公司和其他西方公司在孟买的鼎盛时期。 全球鸦片贸易正处于起步阶段，处于盈利高峰期。
In 1832, with the capital of the Rothschild and other British Jewish royal families and their Anglo-Scottish partners established a Company in the port of Canton and became the “giant” of the world opium trade. It was not only the lords of London and their native traders and partners in India and Chinese ports who, on the basis of this trade, established a new class in India and the Far East, and this class has since dominated the Asian economy and politics to control the southeast, but big business in the US port of Boston has also turned to opium trade with China. Big American companies like Perkins, Forbes and Russell made huge profits. The vast wealth of the world opium trade laid the foundation for the emergence of a powerful class in the United States known as the Boston oligarchy.
另一方面，巴格达迪犹太家族沙宣家族迅速加入浪潮，在1830年代建立了沙宣金融帝国。 在此之前，印度鸦片被英国垄断，土耳其鸦片被美国人垄断。 沙逊家族与印度统治者合作，将伊朗作为他们的活动范围。
沙宣与他们在波斯的代理人 Hossein Sepahsalar 合作，于 1870 年代开始了他们的鸦片活动。 随着侯赛因·塞帕萨拉尔势力的崛起，鸦片的广泛种植在伊朗开始，由于英国将鸦片变成了一项有利可图的贸易，世界上许多国家都参与了从鸦片中获取利润的竞争。 因此，当权者保留了最好的土地来种植鸦片而不是农作物，以筹集现金来支付所分配的货物。 这一政策导致粮食短缺和饥荒，在英国对鸦片贸易的影响下，印度、中国、伊朗和阿富汗导致许多人死亡。
Chinese were self sufficient in many areas, had to accept British dictate since they did not have many WMD that could destroy the enemy. The British empire would not give silver to Chinese, but Opium. Then, forcing TREATIES on Chinese’s throat, Britain FORCED China into slavery, demanding millions of pounds for damages, and separating their land from them to be used for British interest to make money, Thailand, all through illegal treaties. There is NO difference between what the Evil US empire is doing today with the evil British empire did in the 19th century to Asians and Africans.
The growing and sale of Indian opium was a British Government monopoly, which poured a golden stream of profits into the British Treasury. The British agents foresaw even greater profits if the defenseless Chinese were made to absorb more Indian opium. The Chinese Government, fully realizing the degenerative qualities of this drug, bitterly protested. It attempted to bar its importation, sale and use.The British ignored the BAN, whereupon the Chinese Government, in desperation, seized large quantities of British opium stored in Canton warehouses. Promptly Britain’s Royal Navy went into action and the Opium War was on.There was no declaration of war by the British Government. There was no official explanation given to the public, other than that the Chinese bad flaunted the British prestige, property and flag “Dictating the Treaty of Nanking, 1842, closing the Opium War, Great Britain compelled the Chinese to pay an indemnity of $21,000,000, of which $6,000,000 was reimbursement for the destroyed opium by the Chinese people when the British insisted on forcing it into China against the latter’s will. The Chinese were made to pay for the war, but the illicit imports of the deadly weed continued to flow, to the moral and physical decay of millions of Chinese, and to the great financial profit of the British Government and the Jewish Royal family.
This war nauseated most historians, including British men of letters. Justin McCarthy declared: ‘Reduced to plain words, the principle for which we fought in the China War
was the right of Great Britain to force a peculiar trade upon a foreign people, in spite of the protestations of the Government, and all such public opinion as there was, of the nation.’
许多美国商人在鸦片贸易中扮演着有利可图的角色。 一群美国商人正式请求国会协助英国、法国和荷兰进行海上示威。 这可能是第一次正式请求
for military co-operation by the United States with Great Britain and other Western powers was proposed to achieve what was camouflaged as a common Far East project where they view as ‘opening of China’ meaning opening the Chinese MARKET to the thieves for lucrative profits, but China did not have the same advantages.
通过这些非法行为，欧美人在上海等中国港口获得贸易。 第一次鸦片战争引发了更多的战争。 1857-58 年，英国再次成为交战国之一。 这次英国得到了法国的援助。 这场战争被称为第二次鸦片战争。 而且，再一次，就像在第一次鸦片战争中一样，美国和英国都在不断地推动美国加入英国和法国的军事行动。 在鸦片贸易之前，大英帝国曾大量参与利润丰厚的奴隶贸易。 正如《卫报》所写：
“The history of British slavery has been buried. The thousands of British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, brushed those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet.”
I am sorry for the mistake I made. There should be Hong Kong, not Thailand:
[..and separating their land from them to be used for British interest to make money, Hong Kong, all through illegal treaties. ]
And the question of the naming of the mountains in Afghanistan, the Hindu Kush. That needs some payback also no? Someone has to pay for that atrocity and abomination. Is it going to be the arrogant Iranians? The time will come.
让它成为 讲英语 【五个骗子】？
图表A.
不意味着壮举，
jp一直在抢 兑现 数百年。
请注意，在 1999 年 USAs 轰炸中国驻塞尔维亚大使馆后，USAs 网站遭到来自……SK、JP、
表现出与中国的团结。
但是今天中国在SK.,/JP的仇恨名单中名列前茅,
是什么赋予了。 ?
我之前已经提过很多次了。
你没有注意或更可能选择忽略，那是你的 MO。
错误的身份'
当 SK 游客因“维吾尔族种族灭绝”而在土耳其遭到殴打时发生了什么？
他们诅咒'那些该死的chicom'就是这样！
由 [五个骗子] 揭发.
然后当然是那个该死的covid，所谓的 中国病毒 打SK [1]
SK大骂中国。
由 [五个骗子] 提供的最卑鄙的谎言 [2]
即将到来的 SK prez …
哇，
这对韩国人来说是不可想象的，他是怎么逃脱的，因为是的，中国已经取代了jp成为第一大怪物……
礼貌英语 FUKUSA
有人想让中国人成为 21 C 的贱民
'sinophile' 马拉看起来是个快乐的露营者
呵呵呵
马拉总是否认……
摇铃 ？
今天它的乌克兰，台湾甚至SK！
https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm
放过我这个左派废话，
https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm
You forgot the excerpts in bold as follows:
continuing the support subsidy to the Dalai Lama’s entourage at Dharmsala, India; continuing support to the Nepal based Tibetan guerrillas; the reassignment of a part of the unarmed guerrillas to India for further training
In other words, the HQ of the Dalai Lama was located in Dharmsala, India where the CIA provided financing, support and training to Tibetan guerrillas. This took place shortly after the Dalai Lama fled to Dharmsala, India in 1959, before the 1962 Sino-Indian War.
Nehru would have allowed the CIA, since 1959, at the earliest, to operate in India to destabilize China in order to prevent Mao from acquiring or developing nuclear weapons technology. That’s why the Chinese leadership suspected Nehru of initiating the 1962 Sino-Indian War at the behest of the CIA.
“After signing the treaty, Nehru visited China for the first time as prime minister in October 1954. The visit highlighted the two countries’ friendly relationship and shared anti- imperialist ideology. Nehru felt comfortable enough to raise the border issue, noting China’s issuance of maps that showed large parts of India along both the Johnson and McMahon Lines as belonging to China. Zhou told Nehru that these were old maps from the Nationalist period and that the PRC had yet to print new ones. Nehru found this answer unsatisfactory, but it did not change his desire to emphasize the positive in Indo- Chinese relations.44
In 1965 the CIA did a top- secret postmortem of the Sino- Indian War that was later declassified. In assessing the early years of the dispute between Nehru and Mao over Tibet, the CIA concluded correctly that China “played on Nehru’s Asian, anti-imperialist mental attitude; his proclivity to temporize, and his sincere desire for an amicable Sino-Indian relationship.” China’s “strategy was to avoid making explicit, in conversations and communications with Nehru, any Chinese border claims, while avoiding any retraction of those claims which would require changing Chinese maps.”
The CIA postmortem concluded it “was a masterpiece of guile executed by Chou en Lai.”46"
MALLA: So it seems, Nehru got screwed by his anti-colonial mentality, not colonial mentality. LOL. This is why Indian Nats have conspiracy theories that he was a foreign enemy Chinese agent. Uncles (including Govt servants) who do Yoga in parks early morning, have told me this. LOL. There are even conspiracy theories that Nehru was a secret Muslim marrano family who wanted to screw Hindus. There is a belief that Nehru was too soft on Pakistan about Kashmir and foolishly took the Kashmir issue to the UN against Patel’s warning.
I do not think we can blame common Iranians particularly for the Islamic genocide of Hindus. And taking revenge for everything in the past, this will go on as we go back in history. There is no end.
You forgot the excerpts below:
Indian nationalists claim that the 1962 Sino-Indian War was between China and India only. But the above excerpts prove beyond doubt that both Kennedy and Khrushchev supported Nehru in the 1962 Sino-Indian War. A year after the 1962 Sino-Indian War, the CIA assassinated Kennedy and installed LBJ who started the Vietnam War by seeking the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. The timeline leading to the Vietnam War is as follows:
1957 Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal
1958 Second Taiwan Straits Crisis; Mao launches ‘two bombs and one satellite’ program
1959 CIA-backed Tibetan uprising; Khrushchev meets with Eisenhower and cancels Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal
1960 Sino-Soviet Split
1962 Sino-Indian War; Nehru seeks US aid
1963 CIA assassinates JFK and installs LBJ
1964 Gulf of Tonkin false flag; LBJ seeks US Congress resolution and sends US combat troops to Vietnam; Khrushchev deposed at the start of Vietnam War.
Nehru played a minor albeit supporting role to the onset of the Vietnam War, as a sepoy to the USA, not as bad as Khrushchev who betrayed China at the height of the Cold War.
Not compulsorily. The CIA is clandestine and could have worked secretly under the radar. And Nehru did not want to allow the Dalai Lama into India, it was Indian popular pressure which forced him too. The enemy of the CCP was not Nehru but the thuggish, mustachio macho masses of India. Nehru was pro-CCP but often found himself stuck in between the people of India and the CCP. The posts I have made prove that far from being a sepoy, Nehru was pro China and supported PRC often and naively believed in Indo-China friendship, great civilizations against the West etc… and all that bullshit. All he got was he was fooled and cheated by the CCP. But the CCP made China the enemy of the masses of India which makes any alliance with China impossible, it does not sell among the street smart, macho, thaggard Indian masses. If India is making alliances with the USA, China has only itself to blame.
https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment-cia-trained-tibetan-rebels-7701
CIA trained Tibetan rebels
What about India’s role in this entire business?
In 1951, when the Americans became interested in helping the Tibetan rebels, and contacted Nehru he immediately refused arguing in favour of non-alignment. Mao Tse-Tung tricked him into believing that China wasn’t invading Tibet, only going in for a few years to help modernise the country. So Nehru, for seven years, stonewalled US from interacting with Tibet, with the Dalai Lama. Most critically, all three times when the UN was approached by Tibetan officials, Nehru insisted that Tibet was a part of China. To be honest, it was not Nehru’s finest hour.
Nehru was the first, and India was the first country to start the trend of appeasing the Chinese. Nehru knew Tibet had independent trade agreements with several foreign governments – agreements that made no reference to the Chinese government – but he was intent on playing ping pong. This came back to haunt him in 1962, when China invaded your country.
Then why did Nehru give refuge to Dalai Lama when he fled Tibet?
There wasn’t much that he could do, because there was a huge groundswell of support for Tibet in India. In fact, Nehru forbade the Dalai Lama from talking to the foreign press for three months after he had landed in India. Only after the foreign press starting crying foul, did he allow the Dalai Lama to speak publicly. The Dalai Lama once mentioned to me, “I was talked to by Nehru as if I was a little boy, as to what I should and should not say.”
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Nehru tried appeasing the Chinese, he got back stabbed in return. That is why Indians as a people and the Indian administration at a very core level DO not trust the Chinese Government (they do not trust Western Governments too)
再一次，你已经被你的人真正地教育过了……
你甚至感谢我……
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/the-heart-of-the-matter-in-the-south-china-sea/?showcomments#comment-4089979
又是记忆力短？
False, the USSR was confused. USSR was pro Chinese but also pro-India because of Nehru’s old Soviet relations and Khrushchev’s new policy of “peaceful Coexistence”.
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315388946-16/soviet-union-sino-indian-border-war-1962-andreas-hilger
The Soviet Union and the Sino-Indian border war, 1962
“In the face of the massive Chinese attacks that started in October 1962, Moscow appeared confused. Nevertheless, the Soviet leadership had much time at its disposal beforehand to prepare for a potential conflict at the Sino-Indian border. The year 1959, with intensive Sino-Indian exchanges as well as with bloody skirmishes, had revealed that Soviet-Indian cooperation was hardly compatible with unqualified Soviet-Chinese friendship. Thus, the Soviet activities in 1962 were more than just desperate attempts to react to dramatic parallel developments on Cuba and at the Sino-Indian border. In fact, Moscow’s approach to the war displayed basic problems and contradictions of Soviet multidimensional international policies towards the dynamic, interconnected processes of decolonization, the global cold war and the embedded emergence of inner-socialist rivalries since the 1940s.1″
The evidence I gave proves that if Nehru was a sepoy of anybody, it was Communist China, which backstabbed him. India may never repeat this mistake, never become an ally of China because of past experiences. If the USA backstabs too, like it did Pakistan, India will have to follow a new Non Aligned Policy and be distant from both USA and China but remain firm on the border issue with China. India’s true ally will always be Russia, Japan, France, Germany and even the UK unless they goad India into an American position, which India must reject.
是的，相当不公平，大多数时候它的 FUKUSA [AUKUS] 加入了臀部……
图表A.
1965 年英登大屠杀
[1]
[2]
抽泣！
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[1]
https://web.archive.org/web/20101205142006/https://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/us-and-british-complicity-in-the-1965-slaughters-in-indonesia/
[2]
https://monthlyreview.org/2015/12/01/the-united-states-and-the-19651966-mass-murders-in-indonesia/
你已经在这里受过数十次教育了！！！
这就是为什么这是一个非凡的成就电机，让韩国人在他们恶毒的反日时反华。 韩国这个传统的中国小兄弟现在已经厌恶地离开了房子。
I understand China’s concern about THAAD, China faced a threat, I give you that, and I am with China. I understand anger with Lotte and banning Lotte and then banning K-pop. But making Wakanda claims that “We wuz kangs, muh queen wuz wearing a Hanbok and cooking with kimchi” is classic case of “How to make enemies and not Influence people with Koreans” authored by CCP. I wonder what Kim Jong Un of DPRK thinks about this. Provoked two countries at once.
You have beautiful classy Hanfu, why claim other people’s traditions? Arrogance? Looking down on fellow Asians?
OK OK，他们 SK、JP biz Sepoys 和狗屎。 但是没有提到越南，为什么这么害羞？ 越南受够了，并与西方结盟，他们在炎热潮湿的丛林中流血的西方。
征服“新英格兰”的不是英国人吗？ 并且事先没有“印第安人”（羽毛类）征服英格兰来证明他们的行动是正当的。
现在让 murrikans 将“新英格兰”和北美大陆的其他地区交还给它的真正主人。
Do you know how silly you sound, Malla? Like Biden would say: “C’mon, man!”
Both the CCP and KMT claimed Tibet as part of China which was recognized by both the British and the Americans, prior to the 1962 Sino-Indian War. Heck, even Nehru recognized Tibet as part of China. The only reason why Indian ‘nationalists’ have any interest in Tibet was to use the Tibetans against China, regardless of whether the CCP or KMT were in power. That’s why Nehru allowed the CIA to base their operations in India, supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against China. That in and of itself quality as a hostile act against China, regardless of the border dispute which is a separate issue orthogonal to Nehru’s cooperation with the CIA whose covert operations used Tibetan guerrillas against China inside India. And you’re telling me Mao backstabbed Nehru by beating back the Indian Army in the 1962 Sino-Indian border war? No, it was Nehru who backstabbed Mao by allowing the CIA to operate in India despite its avowed non-aligned status. And Indian ‘nationalists’ don’t have any problems with that historical fact because they would prefer that India become a sepoy to the USA, than remain non-aligned with respect to the West.
That would have been an impossibility in this day and age, America would have become independent anyways and gain dominion status a century ago like Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe the USA and Canada would have been one big country and Canada’s vast northern resources would have beenn added to the combined kitty. Wait, this is already fact, the USA dominates the Canadian economy too much, at least that is what most Canadians think.
Australia is a dominion but free of the UK, the Aussies now complain of American domination, not British. For example even though the UK did not take part in the Vietnam wars, Australia did, which shows independent foreign policy ability.
Anyways my point was that the American Revolution story of noble colonist fighting “evul” British Empire is not as straight forward as it seems,
And that benefited Britain who in revenge did not take part in the disastrous Vietnam war. And unlike the Vietnam war, the British & French were winning against Egyptians troops easy, would have taken over in no time. So Murica saved Britain. And Murica is partly to blame, Nasser first went to Murica to ask for money for the Egyptian economy, Murica told him to join the Baghdad pact (Nasser correctly rejected as he was Non Aligned) and forced him to try to make peace with Israel, which Nasser out-rightly rejected (understandably so). he went to the British too but the British did not have the kind of money just out of WW2 and the Zionist lobby played their part of conditions of peace with Israel. That is why Nasser tried to nationalize the canal as he was running out of money for Egypt, Egypt was already making money from the canal and after 10 years the canal would have been transferred to Egypt anyways, via treaty.
The Western Jew press tried to paint Nasser as a new Hitler of Arabia with showing both their pictures next to each other.
This next part is for the showmethereal. the guy is forefront in attacking Whitey over the native American issue, but his hatred for BE is so high that he ignores that the Native American chiefs supported British in the Revolutionary wars and Washington accused the native Americans for being ass kissers and pro-Empire. LOL. Yup showmethereal, the British were more caring for the Native Americans over the freedom fighter anti-colonial Americnas. LOL
Not only that showmethereal, the blacks in the 13 colonies supported the British too. LOL.
Blacks overwhelmingly favored the British in the American Revolution.
Yup those niggas and injuns were kissing British Empire asshole. Now you know why they were ill-treated, they were pro-Imperialist reactionaries to revolution for freedom. LOL.
Tibet first married in with Han China during the Tang Dynasty. It was also part of China during the Mongol led Yuan Dyansty. So this in an out relationship goes back well over 1 thousand years. That’s why you have centuries old Tibetan temples and schools far far away from Tibet in Beijing. Before even the Manchu ruled China. But whether married in with the Han or conquered by Mongols and Manchu (which shows the difference in how each group thinks) – Tibet has been intertwined with China literally for more than 1 thousand years. Oh o be honest no way Tibet would be let go because the nefarious west would be there the next day to try to tamper with China’s water supply. But in any event- once you (and the rest of the globe) return to your ancestral home anywhere from 300 to 1000 years ago – then you can talk about Tibet.
Yup. Simple equation. Nepal booted out the CIA operation against China through Tibet – while India allowed it. That guy Malla just makes up his own reality. Today China and Nepal are friends – while China and India have a border dispute. Children can even understand when they know facts.
Malls be serious – the Native American tribes and the African descendants only “supported” the British in exchange for promises of what they could receive. Give me a break. They had no affinity for them. In the same way some Tibetans would kill Christian missionaries but were still willing to work with the British against the Manchu emperor. Divide and rule.. same old tool
As you know Hitler initially (and very mistakenly) courted Nehru.
I did not mean that Bose and Nehru were in cahoots (sorry for the imprecision),
just that Bose stated that the question Bose or Nehru would be decided from
the outside but the outcome would be more or less the same.
(Brockdorff´s history of the 勃兰登堡 includes a chapter on the Asad Hind)
我们打算一把中国分成一百块。 非常感谢你！
1 small thing, your use of LOL after each paragraph loses it’s effectiveness. Just use one long string of LOLOLOLOLOLOL at the end.
IIRC Nepali Black has 8% THC, and it is showing.
Both in the Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh China is just protecting
重要 lines of communication; in ten to twenty years a consolidated
New Silk Road will make an Indian attack even more humorous than it is now
(maybe they are hoping for a world war before that; but seriously, there is
nothing behind the mountains, least of all a flower pot to win; if they want buffer
states, start with all the formerly independent Himalaya kingdoms).
Good points. It must be pride. If it was up to me – at this point I would say just fix the border where it is and call peace. But — “pride”. In the 1962 war China retook all of Arunchal Pradesh and then voluntarily went back across the line of control. Since then it was leaked that the negotiation was to give India Aksai China in exchange for Arunchal Pradesh – but it was rebuffed. So there we are – stuck for no good reason.
I also don’t see why India and Pakistan just don’t split Kashmir right where it is – but I don’t know enough on that matter. But it would be nice for all at hand. Commerce and infrastructure could certainly flow much more freely which would improve the lives for all. China offered India to join in the BRI going through Pakistan. India said no. Makes little strategic sense. Seems it is all pride…. Historical reasons yes – but little strategically
仅在 1962 年战争之后。 尼赫鲁是亲中国的，他尽一切可能支持中国，而周恩来则取笑他。 印度民族主义者想要一个自由的西藏，因为他们不希望中国在他们祖国的边界上。 不是我个人的观点，我不介意我们边境的中国。 如果能够建立良好的基础设施，两国之间的贸易潜力可能很大。
当然。 尼赫鲁尽其所能支持中国。 他被人背后捅了一刀。
为什么中苏分裂后中国与美国结盟反对苏联而不是sepoy。 印度因为中国而与西方结盟。 越南也这样做了。
称印度为 sepoy 是一个老把戏。
How so, the British were more kind to the native Americans. But from a revolutionary anti-imperialist point of view, they were seen as ass lickers of the British. Divide and rule is what you are introducing out of your ass.
They wanted their independence from foreign rule, the Tibetans were anti-Imperialists.
British were kind to Native Americans??? Are you even remotely serious? Just because they didn’t have the resources or desire to go past the original 13 colonies. The natives were making promises of concessions to the Natives so they supported the Brits. Give us all a break. If they had the power to get rid of all Europeans they would have
Give me a double break. The Tibetan Empire was expansionist and simply lost. Christian missionaries killed were not imperialists in and of themselves.
And a day will come when China will lose and it’ll be the end of the ‘Middle Kingdom’ and we’ll all be glad to move on. So much for your boasts!
中国欢迎美国提出核保护伞以对抗超级大国苏联 after 分裂，但在尼克松/基辛格集团的怂恿下拒绝成为外国佬攻击印度，这就是与印度的区别，傻瓜。
即使你应该听说过内维尔的麦克斯韦 印度的中国战争，，该冲突的黄金标准。
甚至印度人也承认了这一事实，尽管他们很不情愿。
你为什么不用你的新“证据”挑战麦克斯韦，你会在一夜之间获得国际声誉，？ 😉
This jami is a lying filthy worm. he is hiding the fact that the Iranians were some of the biggest suppliers of opium to China and it were started by Iranian merchants. And many Iranian farmers and merchants made more money out of it. The Opium wars benefited Iran the most, not India. Iranian opium quality had overtaken Indian opium and was cheaper in price.
Given the lack of modern industry or even the conditions to develop one, Iran was encouraged to expand its cultivation of cash crops which resulted in the rapid growth in the cultivation of commodities such as cotton, opium, tobacco and dried fruits during the second half of the 19th century. Parallel to these developments, since 1864, Iran’s existing cash crop, silk, took a major blow, as the silkworm population was decimated by the Pebrine disease that struck the growing areas in Gilan. This decline probably gave an incentive and further provoked a sense of urgency to develop other cash crops that would compensate for the losses of the silk.
At the same time, Iran in the 1800s suffered from some impairing structural problems. First among them was the growing economic burden of the pensions to the unproductive sectors of the Iranian elite, particularly the courtiers. The government’s role in nurturing the turn to cash crops, and to opium cultivation in particular, was more important than most historians give it credit. However, the growing flow of income during the 1860s and the 1870s increased the government’s appetite for expenses beyond what the inefficient taxation system of Iran was able to provide. Furthermore, the outdated system of land-ownership imposed another burden on Iran’s economy. Different forms of land-ownership existed in Iran, but the uncertainty of ownership became the common denominator among them. Tuyul lands, for example, the most recognizable form of land-tenure in Iran, were to be reverted to the crown in case the grantee died or if the Shah could simply appoint a different person to manage a tuyul plot. In reality, though, many tuyul owners could turn their tuyuls into
hereditary private property. Great variation in taxation upon lands existed depending upon three factors: location; the specific relation of the grantee to the Shah; or simply the ability to collect taxes in a given area. This erratic system brought about abuse of the system for landowners tended to mistreat lands and the peasants under their control out of fear that their tuyul might be taken from them and passed onto another person. Among the various cash crops of Iran, opium-poppy cultivation was particularly suitable for cultivation given the economic and social conditions that prevailed in the country during the 19th century. Various methods of producing opium from the pods of the poppy-flower existed in Iran since antiquity and well into the early 18th century.
The climatic conditions in Iran, particularly in the southern regions, are ideal for the cultivation of poppies that thrive in areas where wet periods are followed by long dry periods. Poppies in Iran were usually sown around March, by the end of the wet season, and the opium was collected from the mature pods around May. In fact, some areas in eastern Iran could have up to three opium seasons. Normally british mills used Americna cotton and avoided Indian cototn but due to the US Civil war, as there was a shortage of American cotton, Indian cotton came in high demand and many Indian merchants made a lot of money. A sharp increase in the cultivation of cotton at the expense of poppy cultivation occurred in India during the cotton famine of the early 1860s caused by the US Civil War (1861-1865). This shift supposedly caused a shortage of opium supply in China and created an opportunity for Iranian merchants to set a foothold in the Chinese market.
In his book Amir Kabir va-Iran, Fereydoun Adamiyat argues that already during Amir Kabir’s reign as the chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah (1848-1851), experimental cultivation of opium poppies took place in the outskirts of Tehran. Isfahan-based merchant Aqa Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani as being among the first Iranian merchant-landowner who learned the business of opium in India and brought it to Iran. Arbab went to Bombay in the early 1850s, where he learned new methods of opium production and new kinds of financial arrangements for the opium business from Parsis, after returning to Isfahan in 1856-57, he introduced both there and in other provinces. In the beginning of the 1880s, together with other Isfahani merchants, Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani established the Kompani-e Teryake Esfahan for opium refining and exporting. This company was then one of the largest business concerns in Isfahan. Mehdi Bamdad writes in his historical biographical collection that in the early 1850s, Mirza Hussein Khan Sepahsalar, who later became Mushir-e Dowleh, another well-known chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah, was First Consul of Iran in Bombay. Bamdad claims that it was Mirza Hussein Khan who communicated to Amir Kabir the potential profits to be gained from the export of opium to China and suggested that this industry be developed in Iran.
During the early 1850s Iranian merchants complained about a ban employed by the British authorities in Bombay not only on the importation of Iranian opium into Bombay, but also on its reexportation through the port. The British did not want Iranian Opium competing with Indian Opium. However the powerful Bagdadi Jewish Sasson family made a deal with Mushir-e Dowleh received a fantastic amount of 150,000 British Indian Rupees by the Bagdadi Jewish Sassoon Company for getting large control on Iranian export of Opium in exchange of “putting pressure” on the British Indian Government for lifting the British ban over the re-exportation of Iranian opium through Bombay. The Sassoons trade empire was established on the enormous profits they made from trading in Malwa opium BTW, which was outside British control and controlled by independent Indian kingdoms.
The economic success of such notable Indian Parsi merchants like Jamsetjee Jejeebhoy and Jamsetjee Tata stem from their ability to create financial contracts with peasants in the Malwa states and not because they directly controlled fields where poppy was cultivated.Financial arrangements like purchasing entire crops in advance, giving loans for seeds with future crops as a guarantee were indeed a novelty adopted in Iran. In addition, the establishment of local workshops where large amounts of raw opium were processed was another Indian innovation that found its way to Iran. Arbab and other Iranian merchants really learned in Bombay was that even with the high pass duty imposed by the British Government of India on the export of Malwa opium (outside direct British control) from the Bombay port, there was still a handsome margin of profit left for the merchants. In conclusion they must have realized that shipping opium from Iran – where customs on opium were no way near their levels in India – could result with enormous profits in the Chinese market.
Nehru recognized Tibet as part of China as per the 1954 Sino-Indian Agreement which contradicts the claims of Indian Nationalists to a ‘free’ Tibet. That’s equivalent to Chinese Nationalists supporting a ‘free’ Kashmir which would be considered a hostile act against India. Prior to the 1962 war, Nehru did allow the Dalai Lama to flee to India and the CIA to base their operations there while ostensibly appearing to be non-aligned in public to China.
The support of Indian Nationalists for a ‘free’ Tibet is a vestige of British Imperialism which attempted to separate Tibet twice from China, the first in 1888 and the second in 1903-1904. This fact alone proves that India was not interested in pursuing a peaceful settlement of the border dispute with China, despite Nehru’s recognition of Tibet as part of China as per the 1954 Sino-Indian Agreement. That’s probably why Nehru allowed the Dalai Lama and the CIA to base their anti-China operations in India, before the 1962 war. This kind of double-dealing is what made the Chinese lose faith and trust in Indian leaders.
The historical fact is that both the British and the Americans recognized Tibet as part of China, during the periods of the Qing Dynasty and the Republic of China. But the Americans then turned around and supported a ‘free’ Tibet only after the CCP had won the Chinese Civil War against the KMT. The recently declassified letter written by Nehru to Kennedy shows the Indian leader pleading for US military intervention during the 1962 Sino-Indian War, as disclosed by former CIA agent Bruce Riedel:
That is incorrect, as Mao never allied China with the USA against the USSR but only agreed to a détente after meeting Nixon in 1972. After Mao’s death, Deng did ally China with the USA against the USSR only because he felt that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan posed a clear and present danger to the Xinjiang region in China. But so did Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the entire Islamic World. Besides, the USA turned against Deng by sponsoring a ‘color revolution’ in Tiananmen in 1989, which prompted Deng to patch up his differences with Gorbachev who had withdrawn Soviet troops from Afghanistan by 1989. But the USSR collapsed in 1991 after Gorbachev had began promoting his 重组改革 和 公开性 reforms a few years prior. So what did Deng do? China became the biggest buyer of Russian weapons, from the mid-1990s to the early 2000s, helping keep afloat the Russian defense industry.
The Chinese have every reason to believe that Indians serve Western Imperialism rather than Indian Nationalism because their acts speak louder than their words. Heck, even the Russians and Iranians now suspect the Indians of conspiring with the Americans, that is, of acting like Sepoys to the West. Exactly what the Chinese have long suspected.
真为伊姆兰汗感到难过。
巴基斯坦正处于非常非常糟糕的时期。 中国应该警惕。
欢迎您前来尝试——在您征服了南美和阿富汗之后！
More bullshit, a theory put by British diplomats. British observers who were present in Iran during the famine in various capacities had made their opinion clear that the expansion of opium cultivation at the expense of cereal cultivation caused the shortage of food during the drought years of 1870-1872. However, already in the late 1970s, Iranian scholars like Nasser Pakdaman and Vahid Nowshiravani expressed their reservations about this too-easy a connection, pointing out that simple common-sense observation of the nature of poppy cultivation does not go hand in hand with an argument that it significantly replaced grain cultivation. Nasser Pakdaman, “Preface – a Special Issue on the Economic and Social History of Iran in the Nineteenth Century,” Iranian Studies 16, no. 3/4 (1983); Vahid Nowshirvani, “The Beginning of Commercialized Agriculture in Iran,” in The Islamic Middle East 700-1900: Studies in Economic and Social History, ed. A. L. Udovitch (Princeton, NJ: Darwin Press, 1981). Quoted in Mahdavi, For God, Mammon, and Country, 61.
A more detailed work by Shoko Okazaki (Okazaki, “The Great Persian Famine,” 186-89.) has shown that the expansion of opium cultivation did not affect grain production in Iran, which remained the main agricultural product in the country. Okazaki convincingly demonstrates that the acreage necessary for the production of the annual amount of opium reported before and after the 1870s was in fact relatively small and thus the expansion of opium production cannot be blamed for the lack of grain in the market during the famine. The drought of 1869-1871 was the initial cause for the disturbance in the supply of grain, but Okazaki effectively presents direct and indirect evidence which proves that there was no real shortage of grain in Iran at the time and that the famine was caused by the greed of various Iranian merchants, landowners, senior bureaucrats and religious officials who engaged in hoarding and market manipulation, taking advantage of the situation to amass an enormous fortune, even at the price of watching their fellow subjects starve to death. In addition, he points his finger at the Turkish Qajar central government and at least some provincial governors who were particularly ineffective in preventing the situation from developing in the first place and displayed a disturbingly disaffection towards the suffering of the people.
It is important to remember the direct involvement of some bureaucrats and clerics in the market manipulations that brought about the famine. In a recent article about the rise and fall of the merchant councils (majalis-i wukala-yi tujjar) in 1884-85, Gad Gilbar recounts the vast business interests of Zill al-Sultan, the governor of Isfahan and several other southern provinces,106 the same Zill al-Sultan who ordered in 1880 to sow one jarib of cereal for every four jarib of opium as a preventive measure against future famines. Zill al-Sultan himself was involved in hoarding, profiteering and other manipulations during the famine, and therefore this order was as an attempt to distract public opinion from the real causes of the famine and thus he palmed the blame on the opium industry. For many Iranian peasants, the success of the opium industry brought a stable source of income on which they could count from year to year.
In India, opium causing famines was impossible as the opium crop was grown after the harvest cycle of foodcrops was over, only then did the British Indian Government issue opium licenses which were greedily lapped up and fought over by Indian peasants. India tends to have two to three crops a year (Rabi, Kharif) per acreage.
Completely False Post 240 this page.
Blaming Nehru/India for Tibet pre-1962 is an excuse to justify China’s actions. Nehru rejected CIA approaches to support them in Tibet pre-962. Nehru allowed Dalai Lama only because of Indian public pressure and even then he tried to restrict what the Dalai Lama could say to the press. Even when before the Dalai Lama, came to India, he had asked Nehru to raise the issue of Chinese aggression with the Americans. Nehru never raised the issue. Whenever the Tibetans tried approaching the U.N. over Chinese aggression, Nehru blocked them.
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/nehrus-india-helped-china-conquer-tibet
Nehru’s India helped China conquer Tibet’
Nehru licked CCP ass and got what he deserved. And most importantly hatred of his own country men who today hate him and consider him an enemy Chinese stooge, a traitor to his nation.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/in-reply-to-rahul-gandhi-bjp-targets-nehru/articleshow/77210329.cms
BJP’s Rajya Sabha MP Rakesh Sinha on Monday said former PM Jawaharlal Nehru, who had “gifted 38,000 sq m of Indian land to China”, should be considered the biggest “traitor” if one went by what Congress MP Rahul Gandhi said.
Indian PM Nehru was a sepoy alright, a sepoy of the Chinese Communist Party.
This is impossible because Indian Nationalism is extremely anti-British Empire. This is the 1.2 billion Indian nation speaking, no British influence. And as Mr Wang Gungwu explians in the post 164 in the same page, British policy was always in favour of Chinese suzeriaty over Tibet. You yourself contradict yourself when you say both the USA and UK supported Tibet as part of China. They may , but Indian Nationalists do not, Indian Nationalists do not take orders from the UK and USA. And the fact that the UK, supported Tibet as part of China makes things worse as far Indian Nationalism is concenred as the Indian Nationalist mind (majority of Indians) looks at the PRC as a new avatar of the evil British Empire.
And to call Indian Nationalism a vestige of British Raj is the most stupidity, as it is one of the most anti-British element in the World. Lets forget Chawla, let us check out this extreme Hindu Indian Nationalist, Rajiv Dixit. Most of his videos are virulently anti West and anti-British to the EXTREME. One of the most extreme in the World.
The Traces of British Culture (ब्रिटिश संस्कृति के निशान) in India Exposed by Rajiv Dixit Ji
अंग्रेजी भाषा की गुलामी Slavery of English Language – Sri Rajiv Dixit
How Much Money Britishers Looted From India? Bharat Swabhiman FAQ by Shri Rajiv Dixit
What does he think about China?
भारत चीन के साथ 1962 का युद्ध क्यों हारा – Why India Lost 1962 War With China | Rajiv Dixit (hint:Because of traitor and sepoy of enemy China, Mr Nehru & much more)
Rqjiv Dixit Master Plan to free Indian Land from China चीन से जमीन का कब्ज़ा छुड़वाने का मास्टर प्लान
What we see is that in Indian nationalism, being anti-British and being anti-China are 100000% synonymous. Indian Nationalism looks as the People’s Republic of China as an Imperialist country (like the British Empire) and resisting China is seen as an extention of the anti-colonial Indian freedom struggle against the British Empire. This is not about being correct or wrong, it is about how people think.
What happened is China’s and India’s anti-colonial mentalities banged and crashed into each other. Simple As. This would need seperate posts which would discuss the Chinese perception of India as a sepoy of the West (emerging from China’s anti-colonial mentality), a perception which is very old, much older than 1962 and the Indian perception of Communist China as an evil Imperialist entity hellbent on world domination like the British Empire (emerging from India’s anti-colonial mentality). Both perceptions are wrong but they exist in people’s minds. Both are stupid and simplistic but the fact is we have to understand this phenomenon if we have to understand Indo-China relations in depth.
You must be thick in the head. ‘Nam’ & ‘Stan’ for intents and purposes were destroyed and if they are regenerating, it’s because we wish it so.
China doesn’t need to be conquered per se but it’ll be functionally destroyed and thereafter, it’ll depend on US, once again, to decide if the old humpty-dumpty is to be put back together or left to rot by the roadside aka BRI.
I hope all your curiosities have been addressed and now it’s getting late and my dear Chinese masseuse is in hurry to get started knowing, I like happy endings.
A little more than a mere détente .
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/02/18/great-wager-spy-soviet-union
Shared secrets: How The U.S. and China worked together to spy on the Soviet Union
China has already built part of its CPEC corridor in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK), which India claims as Indian territory, without Indian permission or any official note. That part of Kashmir, by Indian law is Indian territory, even drawing a map showing Pakistan Occupied Kashmir as outside of India is punishable by Indian law, this is not a joke. This is one of the reasons by India did not join the BRI, because the BRI is illegal by Indian law as it passes illegally through Indian territory.
Debunked already.
So India is allying with the USA because it perceives China as a threat and especially the Chinese-Pakistani axis. This does not make sepoy. Even Vietnam is allying with japan and the West, now you cannot sell Vietnam to the Glbal South as sepoy, can you?
This India is sepoy shows Chinese arrogance and Middle kingdom mentality. They believe it is China Vs USA, two big powers and there cannot be any agency among other nations of their own. India does not have any security concerns on its own, its own agency, it can only be lowly sepoy of the West.
But many of India’s actions destroy this cheap Chinese propaganda of sepoy and it disheartening to see how China played a part in allying with the “great Satan’, to bleed the USSR,the same USSr which was instrumental in the creation of the CCP. And how did “sepoy” India behave?
https://www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/viewFile/3965/3881
Pak-China-US Triangle vis-à-vis Soviet Union in Afghan War
Dr. Manzoor Khan Afridi (Head of Department of Politics and International Relations, International Islamic University Islamabad-Pakistan), Musab Yousufi
(M.Phil Scholar, International Islamic University Islamabad-Pakistan), Musa Khan
A triangular alliance was made among Pakistan, China and the United States to oppose the Soviet’s presence in Afghanistan. Common interest brought together these states to form a united front in 1980s and to help the anti-Soviet resistance forces in Afghanistan. Pakistan was concerned about its western border with Afghanistan which was directly threatened. The eastern border was also not safe, as India had backing of the Moscow. Indian Ocean was another area under threat for which Kremlin had long been aspired to have access there. China was mainly concerned with its Muslim dominated Xinjiang region, having a common border with Wakhan area of Afghanistan
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The Carter administration was successful in this regard that many Western nations boycotted to participate in the Olympics. Chinese Olympic Committee (COC) boycotted as well against the hegemony and in defense of the Olympic principles. However India participated in the Olympic Games and was cooperating with the illegitimate communist government of Afghanistan (Shah, 2001). America hinted China for maximum collaboration.
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“Both China and Pakistan had a common fear of pro-India Soviet influence in the region” (Singh, 2003, p.194). China was anxious over the Indo-Soviet cooperation and strategy for its encirclement. As was disclosed by India when she recognized the Marxist regime in Kabul, being among the first countries to do it. It was furthered by another Indian diplomatic move when Indira Gandhi succeeded in election as a Prime Minister in 1980 and “gave diplomatic recognition to the Vietnamese-backed Kampuchean regime following the fall of Pol Pot. Close relations between India and Vietnam – cemented by the common concerns over China – complemented Soviet-Vietnamese links’ (Hewitt, 1997, p.101). As Pakistan had served like a bridge in the normalization of relations between the United States and the People’s Republic of China, now it “was the key partner in the struggle against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s” (Wisner et al., 2003, p.43).
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The Western and Northwestern borders of Pakistan were vulnerable to the Soviet naked aggression. The geoproximity of the Wakhan Salient and Xinjiang region forced the two countries for a combine action. Ataur Rahman commented: “Underlying threats to Pakistan’s security from India and the Soviet Union via Afghanistan have made Pakistan seriously concerned to bolster its military capability. Pakistan’s security concerns are shared by China, which has had very good relations with Pakistan over the last two decades.
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Soviet Union was a major challenge to both the United States and China. To deter the Soviet’s new challenge the US needed Chinese support. China was also not in a position to cope with the Red Army’s danger on her borders. “China therefore needed the American connections to face up to the Soviet’s challenge” (Pradhan, 1983, p.183). Also the Pakistan’s position demanded quick aid and support from the two countries as well. “The Afghan crisis and the Soviet military intervention, more than anything else, once again brought into sharper focus the US-China-Pakistan alignment, as was reflected in the US pronouncements for their military aid policies for this region. The latter took the form of the US proposal for joint US-Chinese military aid to Pakistan, as initially announced by the Carter administration in early 1980” (Achuthan, 1988, p.95).
The Kabul and Moscow regimes had complained that the Islamabad Government in collusion with the United States, China and some other Muslim countries were encouraging and supporting the mujahideen to ‘bleeding the Soviets white’.
The New Delhi Government was also in a position to off set the Islamabad-Beijing-Washington axis. “The Indo-Soviet relationship by now, of course, acquired a life of its own because of common Indo-Soviet concerns about China and the United States” (Ayub, 1985, p.169) which were helping Pakistan. The Soviet Union has long before had given all possible support to India in the latter’s border conflict with Pakistan. This time too, the USSR was giving economic and military support to India against the United States and China’s aid and help to Pakistan (Saikal, 1985, p.116). “By the end of 1980-81, Soviet-aided projects had produced 48 million tonnes of pig iron, 40 million tonnes of steel and more than 30 million tonnes of rolled iron; 70 million tonnes of oil were drilled; about 430,000 tonnes of metallurgical and other
machinery for mining shafts and power stations worth more than 280 crore (2.8 billion) rupees, plus a large quantity of drugs and pharmaceutical preparations, instruments, etc” (Sharma, 1982, p.13).
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Pakistan needed to strengthen its defense vis-à-vis India and welcomed the weapons supply from the United States and China at same time. “The Genesis of Sino-Pak defense cooperation lies in Chinese attempts at maintaining military balance in the region and its concerns about any shift being inimical to its national security concerns. Beginning as a marriage of mutual convenience, it was nourished by a common hatred for India” (Sahgal, 2003, p.173). The growing Indo-Soviet ties and continuing generous flow of the Soviet arms to India was a destabilizing factor in the region. Although the Sino-Indian relations were moving towards positive direction, the Soviet-backed India was still looming large in the minds of the Chinese and Pakistani policy makers. For Pakistan, the power parity with India was so important that she had always strived to defend its security by all possible means to make a balance in power projection and halt India from getting a position of the hegemonic leadership. “For China, the alliance with Pakistan was always largely intraregional in focus, prompted mainly by Beijing’s wish to prevent India’s emergence as a serious rival, in particular, to block India from any role in China’s encirclement” (Wirsing, 2005, p.153). China’s alignment with Pakistan had served its interests in such a way that there was no other state in South Asia which could align with India against China. The Indian neighbors had always disliked her hegemony in the region and considered India as a regional bully.2
China has zero reasons to believe Indians serve Western Imperialism. By opposing China, India serves her interest 10000% according to both the Indian people and Indian Government (but not me , Malla, I would prefer India remains neutral and allies with all, especially China). This is just a trick to cover up China’s backstab of a pro Chinese India in 1962, to downplay India’s influence in the Global South and to pressure India to go against its own interests and go on China’s side and then accept Chinese diktats on the border, which is completely unacceptable to the Indian people. The Chinese concept of “India as sepoy” is way old but that would take a different post.
As far as downplaying India’s influence in the Global South, Chou En Lai was not happy with Nehru’s influence in the emerging post colonial developing World, even though China had much more solid influence . China cannot use the same trick against Vietnam because no one would buy it thanks to the legendary Vietnam War. But Vietnam’s policies have mimicked India’s for a long time, during the Soviet-Afghan War, when Vietnam & India were in the Soviet camp against the American-Chinese camp. India and Vietnam were in agreement about Cambodia against the position held by both China and the USA. And now, Vietnam keeping its good relations with Russia is moving closer to the West & Japan, just like India. But China cannot sell “Vietnam as a sepoy” to the World, they would be laughed out. I forgot to mention, one of India’s natural ally is Vietnam, the foreign policies of both countries have been remarkably similar to each other for decades. If China can make an alliance with Pakistan, India can and is already making deep military and other connections with Vietnam.
And when Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, the Chinese propaganda of “India as sepoy” collapsed as India remained steadfast with Russia even with American and other Western pressure even with American offer to provide top grade military technology to replace all of Russia’s military hardware purchases. India, “the sepoy”, did not budge from its Russian friendship, not an inch. Nor did it soften to China. Which again proves that India’s reason to get closer to the West has everything to do with China and India’s perception of China (not mine) as an untrustworthy threat. I think with the recent developments in Indo-Russia-West relations, the whole cheap propaganda of “India as Sepoy” should be retired for good. But China needs this and will keep using it even if it looks ridiculous.
Even earlier, China foolishly opposed Indo-American-Japanese naval Malabar exercises and blamed Japan for instigating India while it is India which went all out of the way to invite Japan. India out of its own will, invited the Australian Royal Navy for the Naval exercises. Sometimes I wonder if QUAD is led by India, not the USA. QUAD started with the Malabar exercises, initially held by India.
More power to him. I have nothing but respect and admiration for based people like him.Do you have translations of his speeches in English?
It’s possible that much of the intra-Asian conflicts since decolonization stem from the need to escape from the Western colonial legacy which the Chinese attribute, rightly or wrongly — to the role of the British Raj in shaping Indian nationalism today.
My view is that Asians — Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Arabs, Japanese, Koreans — better come up with pan-Asian ideologies based on Asian metaphysics, instead of trying to fit Western paradigms into the Asian environment which is like putting square pegs into round holes. Western dichotomies — liberalism vs authoritarianism, capitalism vs socialism, nationalism vs globalism, traditionalism vs modernism — won’t suffice for the complexity of Asian Civilizations and their incongruity with Asian metaphysics.
The idea of India as a sepoy of the USA is an impossibility according to american thinking. India can be strategic partner, not a sepoy.
David C. Mulford served as the twenty-first U.S. ambassador to the Republic of India from 2004–2009. Now this is serious stuff, not some punt, a real ambassador who served in India.
从 40:30 分钟开始，前大使马尔福德说
“The lesson to be learnt from that, you CANNOT have a policy of DICTATION to India. It is a SOVEREIGN STATE and regards itself very very STRONGLY as a Sovereign State.….and they developed a sound doubt (due to US sanctions during India’s nuclear tests) as the United States as a dependable partner. And this interfered across the board for all kind of things and damaged our relationship with India………. The intensity of US management of weapons operations with India or anybody else maybe justified and desirable but it is not EASY TO MANAGE WITH INDIA. BECAUSE, THEY DON’T WANT PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND THEIR COUNTRY FROM OUR DEFENCE DEPARTMENT. Checking up to see how they are dealing with the weapons. How they took care of them. If they are honouring every aspect of the agreements. So on… This has been an instructive lesson and it took us some years to build back. And the key thing that helped us was the decision by president George W. Bush to introduce a Civil Nuclear negotiations which ended with a major treaty on India’s access to Civil Nuclear Technology (Malla: This is despite, India dishonouring it’s agreement with Canada earlier and using a nuclear reactor built with Canadian help for it’s nuclear weapons program). And that restored our relations. And I hope we keep those lessons in mind because it is very easy to overdo things. AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE INDIA, TOP OF THE LINE TECHNOLOGY IN RADAR, WEAPONRY & OTHER THINGS.”
So let me get this straight. Americans say “We cannot dictate to India, India strongly considers itself an Sovereign State”. Sorry does not seem as sepoy.
Indeed even during the Trump Presidency, when Indo-US relations were the best, when the USA put some trade tariffs on India, India immediately retaliated back. Even earlier, when an Indian diplomat woman was arrested in the USA (by NY police) because of accusations of abuse of an Indian maid, India retaliated against the USA. How is this sepoy?
Diplomat Devyani Khobragade’s arrest: India acts tough with US, takes tit-for-tat measures
India as sepoy does not hold up to scrutiny.
Unfortunately none, all are in Hindi but his followers (he is dead) may have videos with English subtitles.
Western dichotomies — liberalism vs authoritarianism, capitalism vs socialism, nationalism vs
Very interesting point. Never thought of that. However Asia is too diverse and complicated. But not impossible but sure is quite difficult compared to other continents.
Indian Nationalism was shaped by resisting the British Raj.
Anyways, I am sorry if I came across as too anti-China. I really am not. I have Sinophile tendencies actually. I am just arguing against India as a sepoy thing, what may be needed is trying to change the false perceptions Indians have of China due to incidents in the past. And I agree that India is not as innocent as it shows and what Indians believe it to be. I mean the actions of the Indian Government w.r.t Pakistan and China. There may be many cases where India has taken unnecessary actions which may have been harmful to China including anti-China propaganda. If India has done this, then it is wrong and needs to be condemned. In situations, where China is in the right w.r.t India, I support China. The thing is it can be very difficult to know the real truth about things. A lot of things are not known to commoners but only to top Government officials.
Those authors forgot about the role of the USA in supplying weapons to Pakistan, probably the biggest factor in fomenting tensions in South Asia. China was late to the game, having been allied with Pakistan due to their common need and shared interest in containing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. But that lasted only ten years until the Soviet withdrawal in 1989. After the USA had imposed sanctions on both China and Pakistan in the 1990s, the two countries became military allies, with China supplanting the USA as the biggest supplier of weapons to Pakistan.
That’s what I was saying about Nehru allowing the CIA to operate in India, which then led to the failed Tibetan uprising and the flight of the Dalai Lama to India in 1959. By the time war broke out in the Sino-Indian border in 1962, Nehru wrote a letter to Kennedy pleading for US military intervention against China. Nehru later permitted the USA to spy on China’s Lop Nur nuclear weapons test site using U-2 spy planes which had to refuel in an Indian Air Base. After Nehru’s death, the USA later backed Pakistan against India during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War, by sending a carrier battle group to the Bay of Bengal (together with the UK) which was met by nuclear submarines from the USSR which had backed India against Pakistan. Note that China didn’t take sides during this time even though Nixon gave Mao the green-light to intervene militarily.
Thus this theory that China needed to arm Pakistan in order to undermine or contain India is technically incorrect because it was the USA which played the biggest role in arming Pakistan from its inception in 1947 until the 1990s when China supplanted the USA. Indian nationalists tend to blame China as their favorite bogeyman but conveniently forgetting that their favored ‘ally’ today — USA — played the biggest role in arming Pakistan.
So far, so interesting – thanks. Except Reza Shah changed Persia´s name
to “Iran” in 1935 (and was (((deposed))) for his Aryan leanings in 1941).
That was Deng in 1979 not Mao who never sided with the USA against the USSR until his death in 1976. What Mao got from Nixon was a 交换条件 — China would stop backing Communist guerrillas in Vietnam while the USA would withdraw its military from Vietnam and Taiwan.
And the country which benefited the most from the Opium war was actually…..Iran!!! How?
The end of the Second Anglo-Chinese War also known as the Second Opium War (1856-1860) and the signing of the Treaties of Tienjin were an additional factor which helped the successful introduction of Iranian opium into China. Indian Merchants expected that the new treaties would ease significantly the trade of Indian opium in China. However, the forced legalization of the opium trade in China was also good news for Chinese entrepreneurs in China who began producing massive amounts of opium in the southern regions of the country, and of course for merchants who dealt in imported non-Indian opium from Iran and the Ottoman Empire.
The British intentions behind their initiative to legalize opium in China are a complicated issue. Owen cleverly shows that Lord Elgin, who oversaw the signing of the Treaties of Tienjin which legalized opium in China, was in fact personally opposed to the opium trade and fully aware that legalization was not in the interests of the Indian opium trade. He was convinced, though, that legalization was preferable to the previous situation of a government protecting the right of merchants whose trade is a clear violation of another country’s legal code, as he argued that “Legalization is preferable to the evils attending the farce now played”.
From, Owen, British Opium Policy in China and India, 228-29.
The Chinese market post-1860 was flooded with opium which caused a significant price reduction. The new lower-level of opium prices was able to guarantee profit only to opium that cost significantly less to produce and transport to China. This made Iranian opium highly attractive for merchants since its production costs were lower than those of the Indian opium and, on top of that, Iran did not have the elaborate customs system of the the British Raj. The British victory in the Opium Wars destabilized the Chinese opium market and opened it for non-Indian opium who took over the market eventually, significantly reducing the profitability of producing opium in India. The end of the Second Opium War created high expectations in India that the opium trade would significantly expand and that a price increase would soon follow that expansion. However, an unexpected rise in the crop of both Patna and Malwa opium in 1861, and the beginning of local opium cultivation by Chinese entrepreneurs, kept prices in China at bay and sales at a slow pace. This had disastrous results for the Indian opium market. Advanced purchases of opium in above-market prices by local merchants in the Malwa states who borrowed money to fund those purchases, left them with cheap opium, incapable to cover their debts. Speculators in Calcutta, who contributed to the price rise in April and May 1861, found themselves in a similar state of insolvency in June 1861. The attempt of all those to quickly regain some of their losses by getting rid of their opium chests in a hurry, pushed the prices even further down.
This affair took place at basically the same time in which, according to almost all the available sources, the sales of Iranian opium in China began to rise. Since there was no reduction in the demand for opium in China during the 1860s Iranian opium could easily be sold there, and due to its lower production and taxation cost (compared with both Patna and Malwa varieties of India opium) Iranian opium was still profitable for the merchants who dealt with it. While Indian merchants withheld their stocks of Indian opium, merchants who dealt with Iranian opium were only limited by the amounts of opium Iran could produce and export.
It’s possible that the Chinese don’t understand how Indian politics work in such a diverse country, which gives the impression that Indian elites act too pro-Western but remain anti-Chinese even under circumstances which warrant the reverse. For example, during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War, China remained on the sidelines while the US-led West sided with Pakistan during that war which was far more momentous than the 1962 Sino-Indian War. Yet, all you hear from Indian elites is their criticism of Chinese perfidy — real or imagined — during 1962 Sino-Indian War while ignoring or downplaying US and Western duplicity in threatening military intervention against India during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War. This is especially true now that the pro-American Indian elites have grown in wealth, power and influence which makes their voices louder than the rest of the population. That in turn shapes the perception of outsiders or foreigners that Indian elites are being anti-Chinese because they’re all pro-Western Sepoys. This is unfortunate because the legitimate concerns of Indian nationalists like Rajiv Dixit are then ignored and forgotten.
That’s what I meant by the need for Asians to create their own epistemology which underlie their cultural universe because much of their knowledge is expressed in Western concepts which are intrinsically hostile to and alienated from their own historical experience. Asia needs more people like Rajiv Dixit who could espouse the authentic voices of Asians which needs to be heard in elite Asian circles and propagated to a wider audience through mass media and public education. Chinese nationalists would prefer Indian nationalists like Rajiv Dixit who are respected and admired for their willingness to criticize Western ideas. But if you’re an Indian elite who only criticize Chinese wrongdoings but ignore Western misdeeds, then you’re just an Indian Sepoy to the Chinese.
Also the Tibet program was scrapped by the USA (they might have restarted it, I do not know.)
The Sino Soviet split happened for many reasons, but it is not a surprise that it happened during Khrushchev’s time (you say of him backtracking on helping China with nukes), the CCP was not comfortable with the De-Stalinization movement in the USSR under Khrushchev .
Indian Nationalists hate and traditionally hated Pakistan the most. Far more than China. Indeed many Indian nationalists can imagine friendship with China, but never with Pakistan. Hardcore Hindutva types do not even acknowledge Pakistan as a legitimate country and want it to return to the motherland, consider it a fake colonial creation.
Only recently as Sino-Pakistani relations have deepened further and come out as more open, that anti-China feelings in some ways have overtaken anti-Pakistan feelings, because now the idea is that Pakistan is just an extension of China. Partly also because Indian nationalists find it insulting that India is compared to Pakistan which they consider a failed state and thus this comparison an insult, China as a enemy is mre worthy in prestige, but China would consider India as a comparison insulting and may consider USA as a worthy enemy.
Not true, actually Indian Nats were traditionally very anti-USA too and considered the USA as untrustworthy. Indeed they would blame the USA for everything that happened in the World, even Westernised types who like US culture would do this. Indian Nats became more friendly to the USA and the West in general only in the last two decades but it still a weak force compared to Russia. In the recent American pressure on India during the Ukraine crisis, some of that anti-American tendencies of old (from comments online) came back a bit.
Indian Nats can be anti-USA and anti-China at the same time.
Interestingly a lot of Westernised Indian elites I knew were Marxists!!! Now a days. there are Maoists or Mao worshiping teens in US suburbs, it seems. LOL.
Why do you think Indian elites do not criticize the West? Many do.
His anti-Western mentality is very common and a core element of Hindutva. The problem for you guys is, Hindutvas consider both Islam (+ Christianity) and Marxism (in any form) as alien/ harmful as Western/British influence in the entire Indian subcontinent (Akhand Bharat).
Do you hold – as is sometimes hinted from Hindutva circles – that Jinna
是 错 to insist on partition – too self-centered, too power-hungry,
too overanxious, too whatever?
网孔
您对国务院文件、[原文如此] 印度媒体 [原文如此] 和政治家、外国佬大使 [原文如此] 的参考毫无意义。
全部是 认证的骗子。
这是当地的一些现实，根据 印度长期遭受苦难的邻国,,,,
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冰山一角
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/05/19/modi-m19.html
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https://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2015/05/31/india-the-new-american-disposable-paper/
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https://www.peoplesreview.com.np/2017/07/12/increasing-anti-china-activities-in-nepal/
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https://www.globalresearch.ca/pivot-towards-india-or-china-the-maldives-might-not-become-an-indian-satellite-at-least-not-yet/5655674
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https://countercurrents.org/2020/06/persistent-and-unabated-efforts-by-us-to-grip-and-destabilize-nepal-as-part-of-indo-pacific-strategy/
You are right, that is what Hindutvas believe about Jinnah. But in my opinion, Jinnah was doing what he could to save Muslims. The truth is the Indian Independence Struggle against British Empire was dominated by upper caste Hindus. And even thought there were Muslims and lower castes, it was still dominated by upper caste Hindus. Actually it were the ottomans who were responsible for the division of India. During WW1, the Axis Empire and the Allied Empires were attacking each other’s Empires. Example British conquests of German Empire lands, British support for Arab Independence. The Germans and Ottomans were doing the same. The Germans were more close to Hindu rebels and the Ottoman Emperor being Caliph was close to Muslims (duh!). This old to the Kalifat (Calip) movement in India and led to the Mopplah massacre in South India, where the anti-British movement among local Muslims turned anti-Hindus and there was a butchering of Hindus. In response, many right-winged movements like the RSS emerged which was pushing Indian society more Hindutva further increasing fears in Muslims and thus a demand for Pakistan. And this Caliph of Islam who lived in Turkey and his support in India thingy, made Hindus come to the conclusion that International Islam is a threat to Indian nationalism. Indian Muslims could support some foreign Muslim forces, which is a threat to Indian nationalism.
The Turkish Origins Of India’s Partition | Abhijit Chavda | Genocide Of Kashmiri Hindus |Moplah Riot
So the truth is Jinnah, did what he did because the INC was mild Hindutva and Jinnah realized that India would eventually go extreme Hindutva and this may become a threat to Indian subcon Muslims (as is happening now). He was actually a very smart guy and did what he did to protect Muslims.
Also some Muslims did not want to live in a country run by Hindus (even if it is secular, Hindus being majority, there would be more Hindus elected to power), as hey considered Hindus idol worshipers while at least the British were people of the Book (Christians) and thus their rule was comparatively more permissible by Islamic law.
countercurrents, wsw —> Commie 网站，他们显然不会站在印度一边。
lankaweb–> 对印度的敌意
Denki check 271 and 272 posts, China was afraid, USSR may be using India & Vietnam as part to encircle China so it allied with Pakistan and USA. India is afraid that China is trying to encircle India by making strong alliances with other South Asian countries like Nepal, Sri Lanka—the Garland of pearls. So India allies with USA to break this perceived encirclement. Everybody cares for their geo political security and want to avoid possible strategic weakening in the future. So they take steps with “enemy of my enemy. ”
它如何与你的印度而不是 FUKUS sepoy BS 相提并论？
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说得太早了伙计。
中央情报局/原始资料卷上...。
尼泊尔刚刚被迫喂给 MCC，又名 IPS [Indo pac strategy aka antichina road map] [2]
伊姆兰汗下台。
CIA/RAW 代理 BLA 屠杀中国教师，并承诺未来还会有更多。
拒绝USAss的MCC提议的斯里兰卡现在已经破产了。
由于 USAss 设计的燃料紧缩和粮食危机而破产，在 IMF 的温柔怜悯下，准备好以盘子形式交付给 USAss/India 轴心。
马尔代夫被美国/印度扭曲以签署事实上的 SOFA 协议，
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如果你不喜欢 sepoy 这个词，那么 proxy、patsy、trojan 怎么样？
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https://countercurrents.org/2020/06/persistent-and-unabated-efforts-by-us-to-grip-and-destabilize-nepal-as-part-of-indo-pacific-strategy/
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/nepl-f24.html
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https://datelinecolombo.wordpress.com/2021/04/03/sri-lanka-maldives-in-crosshairs-of-us-proxy-war-in-the-indian-ocean/
I am not surprised that you like him. However his enmity to English and Englishness in India, is not a good thing for India, in my opinion. But fortunately for you, I think, eventually Dixit’s mentality will win in India as it is very popular, including among most elites. India will move in Dixit’s direction and become a disaster, but that is inevitable now.
To make you understand what I mean, I would write the writings of a South Indian (from Kerala-Malabar), calling himself VED who has a different, minority view of things. In my opinion a more correct view.
VED writes
” And to lay stress on this reality, the personnel are heavily paid. What is actually happening is similar to the creation of the Nair supervisor class in both Malabar as well as in Travancore. In both locations, there was some similarity in the social structure in the ancient times, even though the people/s was/were different.
The lowest class Sudra folks or something similar were recruited as the supervisor class by the Brahmin landlords. Whoever existed under the landlords (other than those who were given the entrance to Brahmin temples for temple work), were necessarily addressed and referred to quite rudely by these sudra class supervisors. They must have necessarily used the Nee / Inhi (Thoo – lowest You) word as You. The lowest He, She words Avan and Aval would have been used to refer to anyone subordinate in the society.
It does seem that there were accidental migrants even from Greece in north Malabar. They all fell down to the levels of total verbal despoilment under these supervisors.Slowly the supervisor class went on improving in stature and wealth, till a time came about when they could afford to dictate terms to their Brahmin overlords. This rise in stature was aided by the fact that these sudras allowed access to their women folk to their Brahmin overlords. So that the presence of Brahmin
blood was quite obvious in the nairs (more fair skin and sharp Caucasoid facial features). It went on increasing over the generations.
For the Government of India views the peoples of the lands as the Thoo, Nee, Avan, Aval, Uss level of persons. So the government side view them with the disdain, distaste and disregard they thus deserve. . (edited) [5:58 PM] However, in the case of the English Company, everyone in the land was of their own level of You, He, She etc. That is a very vibrant difference. No one actually thinks of this, but it is a fact. I have experienced many times the terrific difference it makes when a person’s definition is changed from that in the local feudal language to that in English. Everything literally changes. There is much to be mentioned in this regard, but let me move on. =
“This is an item that cannot be understood in current-day India. In India, a business organisation has various unmentioned aims. The most basic aim is for the business owner to arrive in the App, Saab, MemSaab, Ungal, Avar, Adheham, Saar, Bhayi &c. locations of the local feudal languages. (Respect, elitism)
Conjoined and interfused into this aim is the insidious aim to create a workforce under the boss, who can be addressed as Nee or Thoo, and referred to as Avan, Aval, Uss &c. This is a very barbarian aim on which the native English have no information (Terms used on people of lower status, with disdain)
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In the above-mentioned feudal language aims of entrepreneurism, there is not even an iota bit of scope for having any kind of altruistic aims. For, feudal languages (native Indian languages) are carnivorous languages. Explaining the fervent near-ecclesiastical tone of the unselfishness in the aims of English East India Company to a feudal language speaker would be like saying that a lion accosted a deer to show it a nice green meadow for grazing.
Feudal language speaking businessmen have carnivorous aims. What this carnivorous aim is cannot be understood by the native-English. For them, the experience is like that of a fish that sees a nice bit of tiny meat piece hanging in front of its mouth. The tone and timbre of the sight is quite a tasty one. There is no way to inform the fish that the luscious bit of meat is actually hiding a sharp hook. Once the hook pierces in, there is no way out. It is actually a straight route to the cooking pot in some extremely distant location. I have already mentioned the words of the king of Travancore, in which he does mention that the English are totally different from any other population he has had the experience to come across. And that they were dependable unlike anyone else.
……剪断……
I have detected that the English were not actually businessmen as one would define or understand a South Asian businessman. I have been with businessmen here and I have done a number of businesses, each for short spans of time. The mood and the unmentioned ulterior aims that spur a South Asian person to do business is not the same as what would urge a native Englishman to do business.”
May be thousands of young men in British-India and elsewhere in the subcontinent might have worked in this scheme. Some half-baked leftist individual in Great Britain might look up at the incidences and find out that these young men were meagrely paid, and thus they were the slaves of the Empire.
That is not the bloody truth, but. The inglorious truth is that those who worked under the native-English were the lucky folks of the land. Just to work under an English system is something that has an attraction that no other work ambience can deliver to the lower classes. The other option for these young men would have been to be the slaves of the local landlords, who would definitely address and refer to them in the meanest pejorative words in the local feudal languages.
The natives of England might not understand the wonderful experience of being able to work under persons who have only one form of You, He and She in their native language.
Just ask any South Asian working class person living in England to ponder on shifting to India to continue his same work here. The possibility that he or she will go into terrific depression cannot be denied.
That’s my suspicion too. The West most likely had a hand in causing the 1947 Partition of India and the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War. The West openly came out in support of Pakistan against India during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War while China remained neutral, thereby proving its good faith in dealing with India.
The Sino-Pakistan military relations came about by accident as both China and Pakistan were sanctioned by the USA throughout the 1990s. Pakistan turned to China as its biggest supplier of fighter jets because the USA blocked the delivery of F-16s which had been paid for by Pakistan.
On hindsight, my view is that China made a strategic mistake in supporting the Pakistan military as it further antagonized India. In the future, China would have to step back from its military relationship with Pakistan in order to assuage India’s national security concerns while limiting its economic relationship with Pakistan to civilian industries. The last thing China wants to do is pick sides in the India-Pakistan rivalry even as Pakistan fell into China’s lap after the USA sanctioned both countries in the 1990s.
Indian elites spent a couple of hundred years groveling to the English, while the overlords allowed tens of millions of peasant Indians to die in Great Famines. Such subservience is hard to be rid of, without a revolution. India will, in any case, be uninhabitable in a few decades due to rising temperatures, floods, droughts etc, so, perhaps the Indian elites fancy Tibet as a refuge.
你的嘴唇越来越厚。 Nam 和 Stan 成功地从背后击倒了 murrika。 痛得要命。 不是吗！
与“印第安人”（羽毛类）不同，亚洲人对天花毛毯免疫。 它们还对 B-52、橙子特工和杀婴无人机免疫……
此外，中国在前奴隶中也有盟友，他们正在把穆里卡的白人妇女变成烧煤的人！ 😀
非白人正在获得……
Check out from the horses mouth. Post 275 of this page, David Mulford, US ambassador to India admits, India cannot become sepoy. Too proud, arrogant to become sepoy, may make USA into India’s sepoy!!!
嘿，denki，看看这个
从
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233069936_China%27s_Response_to_the_Soviet_Invasion_of_Afghanistan
The Kremlin’s heart must have been broken. The USSR helped create CCP, but China backstab Comrade Soviets and frolic around with Imperialist Capitalist Murica. hehehehe
One can read more from VED about English Vs Feudal languages here
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=vfeuAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
MARCH of the EVIL EMPIRES: ENGLISH versus the FEUDAL LANGUAGES
https://play.google.com/store/books/details/VED_from_VICTORIA_INSTITUTIONS_The_SHROUDED_SATANI?id=Op-BWDzqK3sC
The SHROUDED SATANISM in FEUDAL LANGUAGES!: Tribulations and intractability of improving others!!
https://www.victoriainstitutions.com
Those blacks who had any awareness of the world outside the plantation would understandably have been pro loyalist .The end of slavery story would have been quite different . By 1776 the writing was on the wall for slavery in the British world . Not so much in the American (ex) colonies
Also treatment of the native tribes may also have been different . Weren’t the colonists noses significantly out of joint at London’s insistence that natives must be allowed at least a little land to call their own . Perhaps there would have been no Trail of Tears for instance .
But who knows
“The non-whites are gaining…”
罗夫茂！
这就是 Nam 和 Stan 让你从背后穿过的方式！！！ 😀
Are you telling me that feudal thinking as encoded by Indian vernacular languages is still prevalent in the non-English speaking populations of India?
“After the Karachi suicide bombing, a narrative started to emerge in some Pakistani circles that Iran and India were in cahoots to destabilize Balochistan.”
Actually, that sounds very much like a rumor started by the CIA or Mossad.
Thanks for that. Very useful information.
Yes. The importance of status, to look down upon people below your status as scum (not good), that kind of thing. VED has a lot of experience with rural South India.
Showmethereal cannot accept that the Brits were more kinder to the native Americans than the freedom fighters. It is the same thing in India. One of the fist thing one jungle tribe (adivasi) in india asked a reporter/ author in independent India, ‘When can we get our forests back and when are the British coming back to power again?’
Actually Western educated Indian elites led the independence movement against the British while the lower castes were loyal. Only after Gandhi, did the Independence movement become a mass movement.
伊朗 AND India??!!
This hyphenation is suspicious!
Doesn’t India have enough mischief on its mind in its quest to destabilise Pakistan? Does it necessarily need collusion with Iran to enable this mischief?
It seems this fellow is trying to obfuscate India’s role here. The question is why?
The following document, that YOU coppied from and pasted here, is written by a Jewish Israeli researcher by the name of Ram Baruch Regavim from University of Pennsylvania, in 231 pages This is his email in case anyone is interested: [电子邮件保护]
The Most Sovereign of Masters: The History of Masters: The History of Opium in Modern Iran, 1850-1955
https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1845&context=edissertations
The following text and other texts in other comments by YOU have been copied and pasted here from the above document, line by line without any interpretation. for example the following comment is taken from CHAPTER 2, page 39 of this document:
[[In his book Amir Kabir va-Iran, Fereydoun Adamiyat argues that already during Amir Kabir’s reign as the chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah (1848-1851), experimental cultivation of opium poppies took place in the outskirts of Tehran. Isfahan-based merchant Aqa Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani as being among the first Iranian merchant-landowner who learned the business of opium in India and brought it to Iran…..]]
This document is written by a Jewish researcher to discredit the work of an independent Iranian historian by the name of Abdullah Shahbazi, who has written many books and articles about the influence of the Jewish oligarch on British empire and their destructive role in Iran. Shahbazi has many books where his 5 volume books tiled :
‘Jewish and Parsi Plutocrats: British Imperialism and Iran (1999-2004)’ is known to many.
By “Parsi” Shahbazi means the wealthy Parsi (Zoroastrian) families of Bombay and western India during the 19th and 20th centuries. The ‘parsi’ claim that they are originally from Persia where left that empire after invasion of Arabs. Parsis are embedded in the British empire and have close ties with the Zionist Jews including Sassoon and Rothschild.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdollah_Shahbazi
I bring Abdullah Shahbazi’s response to Fereydoun Adamiyat, a PRO WEST Iranian historian (1920-2008). Adamiyat never exposed the role of the Jewish Oligarch in Opium trade. I think it was not his concern, although did not view the role of this group in a good light. Besides, not much sources were available in early and mid 20th century.
Fereydoun Adamiyat wrote:
“There was very small poppy production during the Savavid era, but nothing close to the era of the Opium production in the second part of the 19th century. in Iran, he believed that the poppy production in Iran was not significant. He wrote that: Poppy cultivation was not common until the middle of the 19th century, and we did not find any mention of opium smoking in the writings of foreign authors who came to Iran at that time. in 1880s opium poppy cultivation around Tehran was tested to measure its results.”
Shahbazi said: The conclusion we draw is that the introduction to the development of opium began at this time. And this is Shahbazi’s response to Adamiyat:
Adamiyat thinks opium poppy started in 1880s and calls it only an “introduction to the development of opium poppy” and “experimental”, but a few pages later forgets the previous statement and makes it clear that the dimensions of the issue are wider than this year opium cultivation. Not only “Experimental” but also had an “export” aspect:
in the previous period, we knew that with the increase of poppy cultivation, Iranian opium became exported in 1881. The Indian government prevented it from entering, arguing that the export of opium to India was prohibited, and that Iranian opium had not been exported to the market before. But the Iranian authorities considered the ban on the import of Iranian products completely unjustified and demanded its removal.
In short, Shale advocated opening the door to Iranian opium exports to Mumbai and from there to China by corresponding with the government of Palmerston, then Secretary of State in the Liberal Party, pretending that if this ban was not lifted, Amir Kabir would retaliate preventing “British and Indian goods” from entering Iran. So this ban was lifted.
It became clear from the explanations of Adamiyat that:
1- Before the year 1850 . Opium did not matter in Iran.
2. Before this date, opium addiction as a social phenomenon was not significant.
3- Opium cultivation was established extensively with the aim of exporting it to China in the above year, and ten years later, opium addiction became a social phenomenon in Iran.
4. The government of the (Liberal) party in England and its subordinate government in India did not initially agree to export Iranian opium to China, but lifted the ban due to pressure. Shale correspondence and positions in favor of Iran’s opium export played an important role in this change of procedure.
Adamiyat, a pro WEST historian, however, said by Shahbazi, “was ready to mention ONLY the destination of this opium trade (Mumbai and then China) and omits two main points:
“First, that the cause of the emergence of this phenomenon in the Iranian economy was the Sassoon company based in Mumbai;
And Second, that Mirza Hussain Khan (Sepahsalar) was the broker of this transaction.
“Even the above article brings other point of views, that you DID NOT copy: page 66 of this document says:
[[Several famines took place in India in the 1860s and 1870s: One broke out in
Orissa in 1866, another one in 1869 in Rajputana and yet another one in Bihar in 1873-
74. The mortality in those three famines reached 2.5 million people. Worse yet was the
great famine of 1876-1878 which covered almost all of South India in which between 6-
10 million people perished.
The question of famine was debated and the issue at the time was used by the anti-imperialists of the period as a political tool against the British government and its colonialist policy. Blaming opium for the famine in Iran could have been masqueraded criticism of the British administration of India and the enormous profits it made from opium there. Another possibility is that linking the famine to poppy cultivation in Iran was an attempt to divert the attention from the fact that grain continued to be exported out of Iran by British merchants even in the midst of the famine, thus contributing to the severity of the famine, and only local riots forced a release of this grain from storage at a fair price.105 There is of course no one British position on the questions of opium and imperialism, yet blaming opium production for the famine in Iran appears to be serving the interests of more than one side of that debate.]]
The author of this document, Ram Baruch Regavim, who, like YOU, is pro British empire, is a Jewish pro colonists, is trying to push he reason behind the famine under the rug to exonerate the Evil British empire. He writes: “There is, of course, NO one British position on the question of Opium and imperialism”.
Of course, as long as the Zionist jews and deniers of the British imperialism are concerned, they are giving us nothing but LIES and DECEPTION to hide the role of British empire and its influential agents, the Jewish Oligarch, then it is difficult to expose the role of Jewish mafia in the empire.
The author claims, in 2012, that: the influence of the Sassoon family is NOT known yet, and Israel is trying to catalog Sassoon’s file.
The author, Ram Baruch Regavim, goes on attacking Shahbazi: page 41
[[More importantly, the prohibitive pass duty policy continued way into the late
1880s and was certainly not removed by the alleged efforts of Mirza Hussein Khan
Sepahsalar, as Shahbazi claims. Moreover, Shahbazi’s claims about the role of the
Sassoon family in this affair make no sense at all. Indeed by the late 1860s the Sassoons
did develop and expand their investments in Iran, including wholesale purchases of
opium, but in the early 1850s the Sassoons were still struggling to gain power within the
context of the Bombay trade community. The Sassoons trade empire was established on
the enormous profits they made from trading in Malwa opium, thus the protectionist pass
duty enacted by the Government of Bombay was acting in their favor, and they stood to
gain nothing from it being cancelled.55 Moreover, although the Sassoon family wrote
many letters requesting a reduction of the pass duty for Malwa opium in Bombay, letters
extant in the archives of the British Government of India, not a single reference points to
their alleged wish for the reduction of the prohibitive pass duty for non-Indian opium
arriving by sea at Bombay.]]
And on page 42, the author is telling us that wait until Israel finishes cataloging Sassoon’s business activity in the Opium trade’, then judge. He writes: Page 42
[[Shahbazi’s conspiracy theories rely to some extent on the regretful lack of reliable sources about the Sassoon family. However, in recent years, the Sassoon papers, deposited in the Jewish National & University Library of Israel, are under a process of cataloging which will hopefully lead to a more serious research of this highly influential family in the future.]]
And after ‘more serious research’ the Jewish mafia is circulating the following information in the zionist media to feed the public with good will of the “Jewish kings” in the Opium Trade.
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-the-rival-iraqi-jewish-clans-who-changed-the-face-of-shanghai-1.8999365
And what of your chrizzie spiritual gatekeepers, as they can’t have enough of their boy-buggering? A millennia old problem. What has “fcuked” up their heads?
You whitevil mofers even seem to support these incorrigible perverts, when it comes to taking sides. You choose your “fathers” and “priests” over your own damned (the affected are, aren’t they?) children!!! What has “fcuked” up your heads?
会不会是你的 异教性?! (that was rhetorical, you pagan godless mofer)
Your accursed kind lives in glass houses. How exactly does a lowlife like you act as a “bulwark” against that?
This is another source for the role of the Jewish mafia in the “opium trade’ in the evil British empire:
[No, you know, I don’t think so. When you talk to the families now, they’ll say, “We didn’t know it was that bad.” They knew it was bad. The Sassoons had to dismiss some of their Chinese employees because they were addicted to opium. Many of the Jewish families fought tooth and nail against banning opium. Opium was legal and used for medicinal purposes. Like people who sell cigarettes and alcohol, their feeling was that they were filling a need. They also looked upon the Chinese as being different from Westerners. They felt that the Chinese weren’t like us, so selling opium to the Chinese was seen as something that could be done. So there is a moral reckoning for selling this drug, even though the consequences for China were catastrophic. The Kadoories did not deal in opium, and are quite proud of that today; they are sensitive to how the Chinese will, even today, bring up the topic of opium sales.]
This was posted in ‘forward’.
https://forward.com/culture/442250/when-jews-were-kings-and-opium-lords-in-shanghai/
When one reads these bullshits, then remember the zionist SACKLER family who collected billions of dollars selling OPIOD. Many lost their lives.
And you possess this thing called “Truth”?
罗夫！
You know what they say about “Opinions,” and by extension its close cousin, “Truth”? 😉
在伊斯兰统治期间，印度是世界上最富有的国家之一。
所以，“伊斯兰对印度的强奸”肯定不会像印度目前对印度的强奸一样糟糕。
你同意？
The comment has entirely been copied and pasted here from PAGE 63 of the following link:
https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1845&context=edissertations
We were talking about Opium war in China and the criminal act of the British imperialism on destruction of china who had CONTROL over the trade using Sassoon family and its agents in many countries including India, Iran, Afghanistan and China.
British empire’s policy is similar to American empire in other country. Invasion and destruction to gain profits to expand its influence to bring cash to develop itself. Both have caused destruction to many countries in the region.
British Slavery trade and opium trade caused millions to die. This is the way these people ‘develop’ their countries, on expense of others. Today, India still is a colony.
I read part of his book describing the languages of China, Japan, Germany, France, etc. which he claims as ‘feudalistic’. But I think his prognosis is incorrect because he relies too much on false premises. For example, he claims the English language is non-feudalistic because native English-speaking societies are egalitarian. That might be true of the USA which was founded as a Republic but that’s not true for England which has a long history and tradition of feudalism lasting to this day. How else can you describe the British Monarchy and the English Aristocracy if not as anything but feudalistic?
I am not sure if he is being facetious or ironic about the feudalistic nature of South Indian rural society. But he reminds me of the Chinese writer Lu Xun whose book ‘Diary of a Madman’ painted the grotesque image of the semi-feudal and semi-colonial society of Republican China as akin to ‘cannibalism’ in spirit. Maybe that’s what VED intends to convey to his audience — that the feudalistic languages of South India encodes the ‘cannibalistic’ character of its feudalistic society.
这些 dot-dindoos 生活在一个幻觉的世界中。
他们对他们无法证明曾经存在过的神话大发雷霆。 罗摩衍那、摩诃婆罗多等等。虚构的神话，带有人为设计的“英雄”，这是他们宗教的核心。 没有这些故事，他们的信仰就会崩溃。 那么这一切的证据在哪里呢？ 住在喜马拉雅山脉的湿婆“神”？ 那应该很容易找到他吧？ 哈哈！
最近，有一种趋势是创造不加掩饰的小说，并将其作为某种历史现实推销。 其中之一就是令人憎恶的电影“Bahubali 1 & 2”。 票房大卖。 这些恐龙渴望重温不存在的荣耀。
其他巨大的票房成功都是关于他们所谓的民间英雄的形象化。 这些电影的主题是“英雄”如何击败穆斯林（和基督教）统治者。
这些笨蛋似乎无法理解，如果这些所谓的“英雄”真的如此英勇，那么伊斯兰（和基督教）的统治怎么会盛行一千多年？ 他们能想象有多少次非 dindoos 打败了他们的 dindoo “英雄”？
为什么？ 不是每个人都有一个地狱般的愿望。 欢迎您享受“特权” 燃烧 与您的基督徒和 Dindoo 朋友一起。 而且，你也会的！！ 😀
所以，把土耳其人和巴基斯坦人排除在外。 他们中那些相信真正的一神论的人，当然，他们在他们生命中每一个清醒的时刻都在为这一特权荣耀全能者。
由于真主 SWT（上帝，最荣耀的，最高的）是一，只有“他们的真主”是每个人的真主。 与异教的神祇标识符不同，例如父亲-芒果，或儿子-芒果，或湿婆-芒果……真主-上帝将是同义反复，并且是区分前异教多神教信仰和后者真正的伊斯兰教一神教的原因.
当异教徒以单数形式提到上帝时，他们实际上是指阿拉 SWT。
你异教徒\无神论的害虫总是无法理解这种细微差别。
Did Mo, your main man from the desert, really bed a nine year old? A pedophile as the head of any creed would produce followers that are bound to be all screwed up.
“You pagan\godless vermin always fail to comprehend that nuance.”
A few posts back, I asked to verify a story I had heard about your main man but you never got back to me, so, I am going to retell it…
在一个没有月亮的夜晚，莫告诉小新娘，他和他的驴子要去东方寻找皈依者，他向她保证，他会在日出前回来，让她变成一个女人。
但实际上，老山羊每周五晚上都在飞去寻找异教处女进行骚扰。 在他的驴子从沙漠地面起飞后的一个小时内，它降落在印度河旁边。 一个年轻的 Poonjabi 女孩刚从河里出来，那个虫子试图玷污她，但她很快就抓住了她的匕首，当场阉割了他。 他迅速捡起流血的球，痛苦地飞回了自己的帐篷。 现在看到他做了太监，她觉得驴子是做女人最好的选择。
对当今世界的居民来说，唯一重要的是当前的现实。 印度文明过去的“伟大”是无关紧要的（就像所谓的伊斯兰“黄金时代”对我来说一样），零的发明，或者他们对代数的共同选择也是如此（毫无疑问，我会得到一个详细的历史课在这里）。 这就是为什么白魔族完全有理由欢欣鼓舞。 只是，不会持续太久。
另一方面，dot-dindoos 对他们的世界 CEO 夸夸其谈，但在他们自己的国家却没有什么可展示的，这仍然是一个第三世界的狗屎坑。 世界光顾它的唯一原因是因为巨大的市场。 世界看到未洗过的人群，看到美元钞票从他们身上飞出。 这包括穆斯林阿拉伯人/中亚人/印度尼西亚人/……也包括 mofers，但这只是生意，对吧？！ 去他妈的他们！
一个伊斯兰 乌玛 可能已经死了，但真正的一神论伊斯兰教万岁！ 这是唯一重要的事情！
大多数穆斯林国家也被归类为第三世界，甚至是屎坑，但其中许多拥有更高的 人均 GDP 比地球上唯一一个以 Dindoo 占多数的国家（尼泊尔算不算什么？）。 为自己的人民提供良好生活的能力应该反映各方国家的自尊心。 因此，上述 GDP 提供了一个衡量人民自尊的体面标准。 去咬那个混蛋。
Dindoos 有一个绝佳的机会来展示他们异教文明的“伟大”，这是同类中唯一的文明，但却惨遭失败。 他们只能因为皮查伊、纳德拉之类的人而感到欣喜若狂……这太可悲了。 那，生活在罗摩衍那、摩诃婆罗多和巴胡巴里的幻觉神话中。
是的，不像那些与发动世界大战无关的“无辜”西方人，到处掠夺穷人，最近还挑衅俄罗斯。
哈哈！ 难怪你被称为这里的常驻家黑鬼。
穆斯林宣称……
非穆斯林宣称……
穆斯林是虚伪的？ 啊哈哈哈哈！！！！
我的观点……
你是白村的妓女，至少可以说你的帖子具有讽刺意味。
And here is mine…
Indian ‘Malla’ is not beholden to anyone because he is fair in most of his assessments but whereas, I get the feeling that you’re definitely a whore of the sand niggas.
Actually, that was rhetorical and meant to drive home the same point you are making. In response to his mouth frothing hate and revenge fantasies.
So shove your sanctimony.
But Iranians aa arrogant lot.
天哪，我讨厌破纪录……
已经多次揭穿
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/terror-from-balochistan-a-menacing-tool-to-disrupt-sino-pakistani-economics/#comment-5336027
任何时候我都会接受尼泊尔民族主义者的话而不是外国佬大使。
从马口，
展览1001
[1]
整个南亚都知道印度是FUKUS的搭档，他们不称印度为南亚的美国，你知道吗，但马拉宁愿相信尊贵的外国佬大使。
难以置信的
呵呵呵
[1]
https://web.archive.org/web/20080512021338/http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JB23Df02.html.
https://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxt29.html
Thanks – I learned a lot overnight 😀
– Gandhi was evil because he backed the Khilafat who were Deobandi
(= the same School as the Taliban) and thus anticolonial.
– Nehru was evil because he tried to prohibit decent people from worshipping monkeys.
– Tippu Sahib was evil because he forced decent people to worship carpets,
and even invited foreigners to do the same.
– Gandhi and Mustafa Kemal (!!!) were bad leaders because they treated their
peoples like sheep by neglecting self-determination and 库尔丘尔; if however
the carpet-worshippers want self-determination and 库尔丘尔 that is evil too.
– The Moplah Riots had clear class struggle overtones (my observation, not the
speaker´s); the Malabar Hindus looked down on the Moplah (a term I had only
known as some local kind of machete, obviously with the same connotations
as the European 杜萨克 i.e. dishonorable menial labor) and to the
British for protection.
The overall impression is one of schizo inferiority complex but large and
fragile egos (the “17,000 years of unbroken civilization” claim is hilarious).
The logical identification figure would be the Netanji but they seem a bit
timid to go there.
“-Nehru was evil because he tried to prohibit decent people from worshipping monkeys.”
Nehru was a brown monkey and Mao was a yellow monkey and a monkey follows a monkey, whereas Jinnah was a black donkey and Ataturk was a light skinned donkey and donkeys follow their master’s whip because that is the only discipline they know.
Seriously, we need us a
?????
😛
bl
按钮。
The World is full of revenge fantasies. And I am not a Hindutva. 100% Anti-Hindutva actually.
我的观点……
You are personally everyone’s whore, common property, very long family tradition.
你很震惊，我知道。 没错，我是怎么知道这一切的？ 我是克格勃吗？ 我是中央情报局吗？ 是魔法吗？
让我们保持神秘。
对于某些人，我们有“白皮猪”这个词！ 😀 他们的黄家黑狗被称为“黄皮狗”。
What you need is a swift kick in that yellow rump!
The idea of geopolitical “sepoy”, though seemingly meant as an affront to Indians (specifically), is actually a present concept of Anglo-American statecraft.
有些美国人，更具有历史/地缘战略的说服力（是的，我指的是决策界的熟人），他们公开表示需要找到 21 世纪的“Sepoys”（他们使用的实际词）。
They wish to recruit and “convince” foreign elites and entire societies into serving Western interests, and for these foreigners to bear the brunt of the cost in blood and resources that any American/or European policies may entail.
The whole crux of the concept is that these “Sepoys” would essentially be expendable fodder, whether elite (e.g Juan Guaido of Venezuela) or not (most of the Ukrainian armed forces). They would be flattered, praised, cajoled and bribed, but in the end, they would serve the West, who would always look down on them anyway. I have heard the Soviets of World War 2 referred to as “Sepoys”, doing the brunt of the work in defeating Germany, and sparing Britain and the United States the effort.
我问为什么今天有人会为另一个人服务，我向我解释了：
For a number of reasons. One, many are brainwashed – by media, by Hollywood, by the colleges they attended in the U.S, in the U.K and in Europe, and so forth.
第二，媒体的赞扬和专业外交官的哄骗对某些文化非常有效（在世界某些地区确实非常有效，例如对中/南美洲的西方化精英，或者说在受过英国教育的阿拉伯人中）。
And three: There will always be dupes, fools and outright self-interested traitors who will trade long-term loss for short-term gain – and the trick is concealing this fact from them (for the delusional), or playing on this cultural type (for the hard-core realist foreign assets).
So in summary, I do not think most Chinese actually think Indians are “sepoys”, not in the actual sense of the term used in policy circles. It’s just that the word itself comes from the era of the British Raj in India – hence, the inevitable association.
You mean, China’s sepoys in the region accuse India of being a sepoy, just like what their Chinese masters taught them to say. hehehe
denki，为什么对越南这么害羞？ 关于共产主义越南越来越接近西方，尤其是澳大利亚？ 是什么让他们这样做？
关于克里姆林宫在阿富汗战争期间看到他们的中国同志与帝国主义资本主义强国美国嬉戏时心碎。 呵呵呵呵
白色+棕色对黄色，
从 ENA 到谷歌……
哈里斯、海莉、皮查伊……
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/lloyd-austin-to-attack-china-if-they-annex-taiwan-first-time-in-us-history/?showcomments#comment-4971580
联邦通信委员会沙皇，
Ajit Pai
冰山一角
所以你说的是斯里兰卡人，尼泊尔人
在南亚的 FUKUSIndia 恶作剧上撒谎？
又是短暂的记忆……
https://www.unz.com/estriker/international-finances-anti-china-crusade/?showcomments#comment-3828001
破纪录不是你吗？
谢谢你的好帖子。
你说的可能是对的，但印度出于自己的意愿选择与美国结盟。 这可能是一个错误的决定，我们会发现的。 我个人非常厌倦美国的精英。
在印度，反华的是民族主义群众（也许是错误的），而不仅仅是精英。
And as far as Sepoys, Indians believe , India’s iony neighbours like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal etc… are Chinese sepoys and are being used by China as cannon fodder against India.
Do you have any original proof of this? Any original reference. The way I see it is the Westerners, gave away half of Europe to the Soviets against the will of the people living there. Attlee, the PM of Britain even banned the Poles (who had heroically fought against the Germans) in the victory parade in Britain when his Soviet masters complained. Britain forcibly sent Soviet POWs (who did not want to go back to the USSR) to Stalin. The U.S. Government was full of Soviet agents like Alger Hiss and Harry Dexler White. BTW, was China the Wests’s sepoy in its war with Japan? China was in the same camp of the West against Asian Japan. “Noooo”, screams the Chinese, “Japan invaded us so we built Strategic partnership with USA and allies”. Same during the Soviet Afghan war, when the Chinese had a partnership with the USA against the USSR (India was in the same camp as the USSR), wuz the China USA’s sepoy? The Soviets angrily accused China of collaborating with the USA leading to Soviet deaths in Afghanistan. “Noooooo” scream the Chinese, “we had no choice, we were afraid of Afghanistan affecting security in Xinjiang”. So the Chinese have their reasons to ally with the USA when it suits them but the smelly Hindoos cannot do it. India has its own strategic fears of China, Chinese Pakistani relations, border dispute with China, it had similar fears of Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan leading to problems in Kashmir (for good reason, One Indian airlines was hijacked and went to Kabul in the past, please tell me Pakistan was not involved.). But if India makes similar alliances with the USA or the Afghan Government, it is whore, it is sepoy. This shows a racist attitude towards Indians, it seems Chinese look down upon Indians, Indians can only be sepoys, proud Han can only be strategic partner of the West. Indians need Chinese direction when dealing with West but China can make its own decisions w.r.t the West. China can be pro-Westa and anti-West by its own free will, Curry smelly Indians cannot. More it seems like China looks down upon India.
How is it that they look down upon them while allowing millions of them to go to their country, become citizens and succeed. Who would Indians think, “look down upon them” in between the USA and China? The USA which allows Indian talent to got the USA and become richer than most Americans or a China which does not allow Indians to migrate and become citizens of China?
印度人（无论对错）也认为中国不希望印度成为亚洲的竞争对手。 在美国和中国之间，印度与美国没有边界争端，也没有与美国发生过战争（1971 年接近但苏联阻止了它）。 印度人相信美国也会阻止印度的崛起，但那是很久以后的事了，中国现在会这么做。
现在中国人讲双赢，也许中方没有这样的意图。 有趣的是，共产主义中国试图表明这不是零和游戏，而马克思主义思想是基于零和游戏的，而美国人则表现得像世界是零和游戏一样。
My take is this. India is not a sepoy, it has made a strategic partnership with the USA on its own free will with its security concerns in mind. Vietnam is doing the same. But it is in the interest of the Chinese side to portray India as sepoy to itself, to the World (especially the Third World) and to Indians themselves. To itself because how can a revolutionary Chinese Party explain to itself and its people that a billion poor third world Indians look at them as an enemy? To escape all possible blame of conduct. India uses the same trick against India’s pro-Chinese neighbours (Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan), calling them sepoys of China and thus trying to escape any introspection of India’s behaviour towards them in the past. To the Third World, to reduce India’s prestige. To Indians, to shame Indians and shape Indian behaviour towards Chinese interests. But because Chinese propaganda does not make it into India much 99% of Indians do not know this sepoy accusation and if they came to know this , they would burst out laughing and immediately understand the Chinese trick. The Indian masses (like most Third World masses) are very cunning and shrewd (compared to our Westernised elites who are cunning too but are still a bit naive) and will see through CCP cunning propaganda very easily. Before 1962, the CCP dealt with Westernised Nehru, if it would have dealt with a street level cunning Indian like Patel, it would have found a much more difficult customer to deal with. And for your information, the Westernised elites have lost power, Modi may have connections with some big Governments but today’s government represents the thuggish, macho Nationalist masses more than in the past.
Now do not get me wrong, I support India and China become allies and I mistrust the US elites more than Chinese CCP elites. I think, India should have equal relations with both USA and China, good relations with both so that India benefits from both. Especially trade. My personal opinion is India stay out of this coming Cold War just like it tried to do during the earlier Cold War via the Non Aliened Movement which was a farce as India was really a Soviet Satellite state. But India had no option because Pakistan was so close to the USA. But the chance of good relations with China was destroyed during 1962, when China back-stabbed pro-CCP Nehru, the CCP did exactly that , “who will trade long-term loss for short-term gain.” Made China an enemy in the minds 100s of millions of Indians.
让你直截了当，仅仅因为中国是共产主义者，并认为自己是与西方帝国主义作斗争的革命者，它并没有给 1 亿强大的印度群众留下深刻印象。 印度人也将自己视为与西方帝国主义、伊斯兰恐怖主义和中国帝国主义作斗争的革命者。 只是他们认为与西方结盟对崛起的中国更有意义。 印度民族主义者将共产主义视为外国的和殖民主义的一种。 为什么会这样，需要一个不同的帖子。
Denki 写了几公里的废话，但总是避免谈论目前与西方的新共产主义越南联盟（因为对中国的担忧）。 越南人对中国如此生气，以至于在丛林中像狮子一样与帝国主义 Muricans / Ozzies 等人作战并让他们流血的共产党越南人现在与澳大利亚情报机构结盟（换句话说，5 只眼睛）。 为什么越南共产党人这样做？ 这是谁造成的？
Denki write kilometres of bullshit but avoids talking about Chinese sepoy behaviour towards Imperialist Capitalist Murica against brother Comrade Soviets in the Soviet Afghan wars. Comrade Soviets were going in to save the Afghan Communist Government but Communist China became loving sepoys of Imperialist Capitalist USA and stopped the spread of “revolution of the proletariat” in that area!!! What kind of weird Communist are these?
Marx turning in his grave but instead of feeling guilty, Communist Chinese send Chinese state electricity company to put wire windings around Marx’s rotating dead body, put a Chinese magnet and creating electricity and selling electricity for profit. hehehe
登基，怎么这么害羞？
在伊斯兰入侵印度之前，印度已经非常富有了，你这个白痴。 但与英国统治时期的欧洲和中国相比，人均收入很低，老百姓的生活也很糟糕。 在英国征服之前，所有旅行者都在谈论极端贫困和暴政
如果你谈论的是印度在 GDP 中的份额，它实际上是在伊斯兰征服之后下降的。 印度教徒将此归咎于穆斯林，但实际上这是因为 11 至 12 世纪西方生产力略有提高。
不是sepoy，不是代理，怎么样..
帮凶？
我喜欢你的“印度是 FUKUS 的搭档”这句话，这很好地反映了 Mallie 的日本恋物癖。 看到 Mallie 对它的令人沮丧的反应也很有趣。 😀
You’re misrepresenting China’s support of the anti-Soviet Mujahideen rebels in Afghanistan as acting on behalf of US Imperialism in Central Asia. China was part of a multi-national coalition of Muslim countries, led by Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, which provided financial and political support to the Mujahideen. China’s role was to provide the Chinese-made weapons, delivered to the Mujahideen rebels in Pakistan, where they were trained by the CIA in cooperation with the ISI. Even Osama Bin Laden, one of the Saudi heirs to the Bin Laden construction fortune, moved to Pakistan to help fight the Mujahideen. So the anti-Soviet jihad wasn’t just a US-China alliance vs the USSR thing as you claim it to be but a US-China-Saudi-Iran-Pakistan coalition against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
But China had been estranged from the USSR following the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split which eventually led to the 1969 Sino-Soviet border war. A year before that war, China had condemned the 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia which saw the first implementation of the Brezhnev Doctrine, the same doctrine which justified the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, more than a decade later. Contrary to your claims, China already had ideological issues and border conflicts with the USSR after the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split, long before joining the multi-national coalition supporting the Mujahideen rebels against the USSR in 1979.
After the Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan, Deng patched up his differences with Gorbachev in 1989. China later became the biggest buyer of Russian-made weapons throughout the 1990s and 2000s. By then, the USA had begun its ‘War on Terror’ after 9-11 which targeted Muslim countries including Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Afghanistan. China didn’t support any of those US imperialist wars which included its longest foreign war to date against the Taliban in Afghanistan.
One more thing, China had every right to feel threatened by the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which sits right next door to Xinjiang. The USSR had supported the Uyghur secessionists — twice in the past —during the Republican Era when the KMT Armies led by the Hui Muslims fought against the Soviet Union in Xinjiang. In fact, Soviet Turcologists invented ‘East Turkestan’ as early as the 1920s which has been appropriated by Western Imperialists against China.
Bullshit, he referenced, Okazaki, “The Great Persian Famine, Famines have been taking place in persia much before Opium.
Famines have been reported throughout Persian history by numerous authors and observers. According to a compilation made by Charles Melville, they occurred in Khorasan in 115/733 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Sīstān in 220/835 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Khorasan and Sīstān in 400/1009-10 AD (Melville, p. 136), in Khorasan in 1099 AD (Melville, p. 136), in Kermān in 576/1180 AD and 662/1264 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Fārs in 683-85/1284-66 AD and 698/1299 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Yazd in 858/1454 AD (Melville, p. 130), and throughout Persia in 1870-72 AD (Melville p. 130), 1929-30 AD (Melville, p. 138), and 1948-49 AD (Melville, pp. 138-39). To these should be added the years 735/1335 AD sqq. (Aubin, pp.131-32), 1226/1811 AD (Morier, I, p. 170), 1232/1817 AD (Johnson, I, pp.195-97), 1277/1861 AD (Brugsch, II, pp. 307, 364-65 and passim), 1296/1879 AD(Wilson) and “the beginning of the 20th century” (Malcolm, pp. 233, 235-36). However, this enumeration probably remains very incomplete as more or less recurrent episodes of famine have plagued various parts of Persia until the middle of the 20th century. “Hardly a year passes in which there is not a famine in some province of Persia,” wrote a European observer in the beginning of the 20th century (Chirol, p. 97). These famines have had spectacular and terrifying aspects: people eating weeds (Morier, I, p. 170, near Persepolis; Bellew, pp. 427, 432) or unearthing roots (between Isfahan and Kāšān; Morier, I, pp. 195, 197); multitudes of beggars and skeletons roaming the city and village streets (Brittlebank, pp. 95-8, 137, 141; Bellew, pp. 333, 339-40, 412, 429, 433, 435, 448); corpses not buried, devoured by dogs, on the roads, in villages and even cities (Brittlebank, pp. 169, 180, 191; Bellew, pp. 396, 432; Bassett, p. 72); skeletons and bones abandoned in villages (Bassett, p. 127); or on the roads (Bellew, pp. 354, 421; to such an extent that this traveler, a British physician with an interest in anthropology, picked up a skeleton completely stripped of flesh and intact), or still scattered in vineyards, where people had died of exhaustion eating vine leaves (Bellew, pp. 434-45); graves hurriedly dug on the side of roads (Bellew, p. 342); fresh cemeteries marked out at the gate of cities (Bellew, p. 437; in Kermānšāh); even reports of cannibalism, mentioned in the 14th century C.E. in Azerbaijan (Aubin, pp. 131-32 with sources; Āmolī, ed. Ḵalīlī, p. 138; ed. Sotūda, p. 204; Ebn Bazzāz, p. 305), and also in Mašhad, in 1871, where parents are reported to have eaten their own children (Smith, p. 361).
Causes. The territories of Persia and Afghanistan comprise vast, desertic or semi-desertic, regions where the natural variation in precipitation is considerable (see BĀRĀN). Rain water agriculture, which provides an important part of the food resources, is thus especially vulnerable. Drought is obviously the most frequent cause of famine, as was the case in several of the famines mentioned by Melville (p. 130). Unusually rigorous winters on the high Iranian plateau can have the same effects as happened in Khorasan, Sīstān, and the central plateau in 400/1009-10; Khorasan in 492/1099; and Isfahan in 1929-30 (Melville, pp. 136, 138). Both factors can also combine, with the succession of a dry summer by a harsh winter especially to be feared, as in the great famine of 1869-72 or Sīstān in 1949-50 (Melville, pp. 147-48). Other natural, more episodic, causes have been reported, such as the locust invasion of 1890 in Qara Dāḡ (Wilson, p. 168).
Equally as much can be attributed, however, to human causes (Gilbar, p. 135), which have been aggravating factors to climatic disasters. Changes in the modes of culture, such as the preference given to the opium poppy over cereals, could have had some effect (Wilson, p. 168, for 1879). Neglect in the development and maintenance of the irrigation system during periods of weak administrations has certainly played a role. Above all, the absence of, or great difficulty with, transportation until the middle of the 20th century, has been a determining factor. Speculation by merchants, large land owners, and even government officials and members of the clergy, who did not hesitate to monopolize grain, should also be blamed. Toward the end of the 19th century the governor of Tehran and several high ranking members of the court had thus caused an increase in the price of bread by provoking an artificial shortage. It was only when the supply of the Cossack Brigade was affected that its leader, general Kosogowsky, ordered the barriers that had been raised around the capital to prevent the arrival of grain torn down (Chirol, p. 97).
Correction: Osama Bin Laden … moved to Pakistan to help the Mujahideen fight the Soviets.
Your “observation” is basically Marxist bullshit as they are trying to make the whole thing into a class struggle. Since this was a major rift in between Hindus and Muslims, they are trying to put a twist of class Struggle. And this can be debunked with the simple fact that the Hindu community the Mopplah Muslims attacked was twice the population of Muslims. How can population of landlords be twice that of tenant?
在俯瞰印度最南端马拉巴尔海岸的群山上，大约有 XNUMX 万印度教徒的人口中住着一个被称为 Moplahs 的民族，他们是古老的阿拉伯商人的后裔。 Moplahs 本身约有一百万人。
但是，狂热的穆罕默德人，他们曾经容易爆发宗教激情，他们的一个愿望是被子弹或刀子送到天堂，首先堆积了最长的非信徒名单。
Among these simple creatures, in the year of disorders 1921, the Kalifat Movement above indicated sent emissaries preaching a special edition of its doctrines. (Indian/ British Raj) Government’s hand, these proclaimed, was raised against the holy places of Islam. Government was “Satanic,” an enemy of the Faith. Government must and would be driven out of India and that right soon. Swaraj (self rule) must be set up.
From mosque to mosque, from hamlet to hamlet, from coconut grove to coconut grove, the fiery words passed. And, whatever meaning they might bear for an abstract philosopher, to the simple Moplah, as, in those miserable years, to so many millions of simple Hindus all over the land, they meant just what they said–War.
But, the point that Mr. Gandhi missed, whatever the humorous Ali brothers may privately have thought about it, was this: Swaraj, to a Moplah, could only mean the coming of the earthly Kingdom of Islam, in which, whatever else happened or failed to happen, no idol-worshiping Hindu could be tolerated alive.
So the Moplahs, secretly and as best they could, made store of weapons–knives, spears, cutlasses. And on August 20, 1921, the thing broke loose. As if by a preliminary gesture of courtesy to the sponsors of the occasion, one European planter was murdered at the start. But without further dissipation of energy the frenzied people then concentrated on the far more congenial task of communal war. First blocking the roads, cutting the telegraph wires and tearing up the railway lines at strategic points, thereby isolating the little police stations scattered through the mountains, they set to work, in earnest and in detail, to establish a Muslim Kingdom and to declare a Swaraj after their own hearts.
Their Hindu neighbors, though outnumbering them two to one, seem to have stood no chance against them. The Hindu women, as a rule, were first circumcised–• “forcibly converted,” as the process is called–and were then added to Moplah families. The Hindu men were sometimes given the choice of death or “conversion,” sometimes flayed alive, sometimes cutlassed at once and thrown down their own wells. In one district, the Ernad Taluk, over nine hundred males were “forcibly converted” and the work spread on through the mountain-slopes.
The muslims attacked and took control of police stations, British government offices, courts and government treasuries. And after that attack was then directed against Hindu community. Hindus were killed women and even little girls raped places of worship gutted in fire. Forceble conversion of Hindus was started and women were abducted. The muslims officially declared that reign of Tipu’s Islamic sultanate has returned. About 10,000 Hindus were officially killed but most probably it is an undercount.当时，印度国民大会保持沉默，对穆斯林的专制制度视而不见。
As rapidly as possible police and troops were thrown into the country, by whose work, after six months of trying service, the disorders were quelled. But not until some three thousand Moplahs had cast away their lives, without reckoning the Hindus they accounted for, not until much property had been destroyed and many families ruined, and not until a long list of prisoners awaited trial for guilt that certainly belonged on heads higher than theirs.
与此同时，受割礼的男性印度教徒在这片土地上走来走去，呼吁他们的弟兄们注意警告。
一位训练有素的美国观察员，美国政府的代理人，当时恰巧在该地区。 他的声明如下：
“I saw them in village after village, through the south and east of Madras Presidency. They had been circumcised by a peculiarly painful method, and now, in many cases, were suffering tortures from blood poisoning. They were proclaiming their misery, and calling on all their gods to curse Swaraj and to keep the British in the land. ‘Behold our miserable bodies! We are defiled, outcasted, unclean, and all because of the serpents who crept among us with their poison of Swaraj. Once let the British leave the land and the shame that has befallen us will assuredly befall you also, Hindus, men and women, every one.’
“The terrors of hell were literally upon them.
“And the Brahman priests were asking one hundred to one hundred and fifty rupees a head to perform the purification ceremony which alone could save the poor creatures’ souls.
“The price which the Brahmans now set upon their services was, to most of the needy, prohibitive. Their distress was so desperate that British officials, for once interfering in a religious matter, interceded with the Brahmans and persuaded them, in view of the large number concerned, to accept a wholesale purification fee of not over twelve rupees a head.”
This incident shocked the Hindus, and this incident in the Indian state of Kerala in Southern India was the main cause of birth of Hindutva organization RSS hundreds of miles away in Nagpur (Central India) by Hindus who felt the pain of Hindus of Kerala. But a young serious Hindu man far away from Malabar was watching closely but helplessly watching the helplessness of Hindus. He realized as you said, that the Islamic World was huge and at least compared to Hindus had far more unity. But this man, Dr. Keshav Baliram Pant Pantulu Hedgewar would remain silent and think hard. He along with just few men would eventually start a tiny organization which will fight for Hindus anywhere. And this organization was the RSS. 随着时间的推移，那个小小的 RSS 变得越来越大，直到印度教原教旨主义 RSS 现在统治并在印度占据统治地位。
This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually play its own part in leading to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. The rise of the RSS actually raised eye brows among the Muslim elites of India including Mr Jinnah, the father of Pakistan.
Defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan was part of US global strategy. China was part in it for its own interests (Xinjiang-Wakhan corridor). Similarly India joins the USA for its own interests and not to support US Imperialism.
India is becoming part of a lose multi-national coalition including Vietnam, Japan, Australia, South Korea etc…
Some of the neighbours of India (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar, Pakistan etc..) are getting closer to China for their own interests, not to support “Chinese Imperialism” as some Indian Nationalists accuse them of. Nations make decisions based on their own interests.
您的愚蠢评论表明，出于沮丧，谁痴迷于谁。 LMFAO。 继续你的滑稽动作。
茨克茨克…
这个世界上的每个人都知道，甚至是一些盎格鲁人，除了“印度人”马拉 😉
https://web.archive.org/web/20181220180456/http://www.island.lk:80/2006/03/01/features7.html
“In India, it is the nationalist masses who are anti-China (maybe wrongly) not only the elites.
And as far as Sepoys, Indians believe , India’s iony neighbours like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal etc… are Chinese sepoys and are being used by China as cannon fodder against India.”
Don’t worry about those pissants! After we destroy China for attacking Taiwan (we’ll provoke them to it … dumb bastards) your country can take back all four of those countries. Hell! You can even have the Maldives, so long as you don’t question our rights to Diego García.
malla the one trick pony
ad nauseam,.
USSR..
There was a honeymoon bet Soviet/China but eventually they parted way, apparently due to ideological difference ,.
USAss saw the chance and offered ‘friendship’, CCP welcomed the USAss nuclear umbrella to counter a hostile USSR.
But when the Nixon/KIssinger clique goaded Beijing to attack India , CCP rejected it outright.
USAss/China pardnership eventually fall out cuz China refuse to be anglo sepoy,
Otoh, India has been serving as FUKUS sepoy ever since ENA until this very day.
Everybody knows that mALLa the ‘indian; is UNZ resident whiteman apologist, so you’r indian sepoy personified. 😉
VN…
VN had historical grievance against China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijig today, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USAss.
BUt pray tell,
Whats the elephant’s excuse with three legs STILL planted in NAATO ?
Whats your beloved jp rationale for joing the asian nato which you have been carping with glee ?
Come to think of it, why do your beloved anglophone family harbor this irrational hatred on chinaman ?
during Islamic* rule.
With attitudes like this, with such attitudes many Muslims have towards Hindus, does one have to be surprised about the rise of the Hindutva movement? Check out the tone of this guy’s writings about Hinduism and these guys ruled over Hindus for 8 centuries and he is telling me they did not destroy Hindu temples? LOL.
The US strategy was to support the Muslim Mujahideen in their Jihad against Soviet troops in Afghanistan while China’s role was to supply Chinese-made weapons to the Muslim Mujahideen who came from all over the Muslim World including Saudis like Osama Bin Laden. Contrary to your claim that China conspired with the USA against the USSR, the multi-national coalition was led by Muslim countries — Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan — but supported by the USA and armed by China. Both the USA and China never fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan while the Muslim Mujahideen did all the fighting.
As a vassal State under US military occupation, Japan would do anything the US tells them to do. South Korea has so far refused to join any anti-China bloc while Vietnam is a fence-sitter which has problematic relationships with all of its Southeast Asian neighbors. Australia is an English-speaking Western country with racial/ethnic ties to the Yanks which makes it a natural ally of the USA. But China is not in a State of War with any of those countries nor is China engaged in any kind of ideological or geopolitical competition with them, all of whom have joined and ratified the RCEP. That makes India the odd man out, with hardly anything in common with any of those countries, none of whom have any outstanding issues with China.
Only India has a beef with China. But where’s the beef?
Denki, the pony who shy from certain uncomfortable facts.
China backstab a pro-China India in 1962 and since then they not very good relations. CCP backstab its Indian sepoy (India was so full of anti-colonialism mentality and such amazing Global South/ Post Colonial dreams in those days, CCP brought them to reality) and Awesome India not trust China ever again. NEVER AGAIN, cried out the Indians in unison (except few traitors)
USA saw the chance and offered ‘friendship’, Awesome India collaborated after 1962 in a low key way but India remain ally of USSR. China and Pakistanass do homo loving like two filthy pigs, both write love poems to each other, full of hatred of Awesome India, soon Pakistanass became China’s official bitch and both the lovers could be seen everywhere and their disgusting PDA, yuck. To anger Awesome India, they do more kissing and other homo-hanky panky stuff infront of India. Pakistanass officially and proundly become Sino-sepoy (and more oohhh lala) against Awesome India. USAss again see the chance and offered ‘freindship’, Awesome India take friendship to make coalition club (our high end club include members like Vietnam, Japan, Australia and club membership growing very fast thanks to Wolf warriors howling all the time) so that Awesome India can counter unholy, ungodly alliance of hostile Pakistanass and China.
But when Sleepy Joe Biden/Ugly dragon woman Kamala goaded Awesome India to break links with Mother Russia, India rejected in outright. Just like when USA approach Nehru in 1950s to help in their CIA Tibet plan against CCP, Nehru, the dumb CCP sepoy, rejected it outright.
Just like how the USA/China relations “fell apart” (LOL USA brought China into WHO) when the mighty USSR collapsed, once China stops being a threat to Awesome India (and Indians now are convinced that the only possible way that will ever happen is after the liberation of Tibet, so that backstabber hostile China moves far away from their borders) USA/Awesome India pardnership will eventually fall out cuz Awesome India refuse to be Anglo sepoy. Pakistan different case, the ease with which Pakistanass earlier become Murican-sepoy and now become Sino-sepoy against India is simply amazing.
Pakistanass to China before sucking Sino dick, “Our worship for you, my masta, is taller than mountain, deeper than Ocean (oooh real deep), spicier than curry, fatty like pork belly’.
Murica to China, “don’t do it mate, the bitch gave me some weird disease, it is painful to pee”. But China was so full of lust and love (and jealousy and hatred for Awesome India), it not listen. Now even China pee painful, and pain will increase in future. Pepe Escobar will write about it in future, about Sino pee pain, ,…in that area.
Malla also supported China in the past, so is Malla Sino sepoy? Will Wumaos here backstab Malla like how CCP backstab their Indian sepoy Nehru? After going through Nehru case study, I stopped being Sino sepoy.
IN
Awesome India was backstabbed in 1962 so has grievance against & mistrust of China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijing, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USA.
India did not ratify RCEP (rightly or wrongly) because it feared, competition with China and South East Asian manufacturing and a possible flood of foreign goods into India making India’s balance of payment situation worse. There was massive pressure on the Government by the Indian manufacturing lobbies against it, they wanted protectionism. India is also a amjor milk/dairy producing and consuming market very similar to other Caucasoids. In this India had a conflict of interests with the two other Caucasoid countries in the pact (made up mostly of Mongoloid countries), Australia and New Zealand. The powerful and influential Indian dairy Industry lobbies were scared of Australian and New Zealand dairy products flooding the Indian market. and thus put pressure against it in the Indian government. So I am not saying that India not joining RCEP, was a good move for sure, one never knows. The Westernised elites and Middle Classes WANTED Australian and New Zealand Dairy to enter the Indian market as 70% of Indian milk is adulterated but it could have been a disaster for millions of poor Indian dairy farmers.
India was still ready to give access to its big market (and allow more efficient East Asian/ ANZAC competitors) if the countries of the East are ready to take in Indian IT and banking professionals. Recently the UK and India signed a major trade deal and the UK gave many Visa concessions to Indian professionals. But the East Asians who claim Whitey supposedly looks “down upon smelly Hindooo” would not accept to allow Indian professionals in their labout markets. There has been a big backlash in Singapore against fresh off the boat Indian professionals for obvious reasons and against allowing too many Indian migrants into Singapore (personally I understand). When rebuked on this front, India refused to sign the RCEP because it did not perceive any benefit in the deal. Will China allow millions of Indian IT/ banking professionals? Maybe make their possible citizenship in China possible? China can change everything if it allows Indian professionals in large numbers and eventually allow them Chinese citizenship. If China is so concerned about India in the RCEP, it can take these steps and India would join in. India has large number of unemployed, if Chinese imports makes things worse by killing inefficient Indian Industries, China should help by taking in some of the excess labour pool from India. China is facing a falling demographics while India will still grow for some time more reaching 1.8 billion before leveling off. Both India and China can help each other.
India can export its excess labour to China which will face a demographic tightening and China could use the extra Asians. We all know that Indians who go to China become pro-China very fast after their experience with Chinese people and seeing the development in China. This will increase pro-Chinese Indians who will play a big part in changing perceptions back home (if the Indian nats do not call them traitors and bootlickers that is)
Except..
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/india-implodes-its-own-new-silk-road/?showcomments#comment-4162305
note that our position have been consistent, but malla seems to be flip flopping every other day.
The Soviets thought differently
the Soviets had charged China with being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA.
Collusion with the USA!!! Hmmmm. With Imperialist Capitalist USA!!!!
And what wuz so called “Western-sepoy” India doing?
https://www.rbth.com/history/331147-india-ussr-friendship
4 signs India was USSR’s best friend in Asia by Oleg Yegorov
India turned out to be the real comrades at the end, till the end.
曾经听说过 Henderson file ?
bharat commissioned Col Henderson to audit the 1962 debacle, but why’s it withheld from publication until this day …something to hide ?
shades of Ukraine, or TW ?
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/neville-maxwell-discloses-document-revealing-that-india-provoked-china-into-1962-border-war.678895/
Consistent lies vs Malla the wise, who became even more wise, Denki
The road to greater wisdom Malla took was not in some private jet, Denki, no no nooo Not in some Porsche or even a simple bicycle, Denki. Malla walked the road to greater wisdom in simple……… flipflops.
Flipflops made in China, Denki, yeah, a flipflop manufactured by past Chinese “actions”. hehehehe
So I write in my earlier post “Malla also supported China in the past, so is Malla Sino sepoy?”
And Denki, gets a new cunning plan, poor Denki works overtime goes through my humongous archives to fish out my earlier comments to use against me. hehehe Nice move. Totally useless but nice.
After China and Pakistanass built an (deep, real deep) alliance (ohh lala) to alarm the Indians, who cannot fail to see it is directed against them. Simple Ass.
Sino lust for spicey Pakistani pussy, Sino hasta pay.
Remember lust hauku in between the two? What Pakistanass say to China before BDSM honeymoon season
“Our respect for you master China
is taller than the tallest mountain
deeper (real deep ohhh) than the deepest Ocean”
Sino replied to Pakistanass
“Our lust for each other
is spicier than your spiciest curry
greasier than my greasiest pork belly”
太棒了
As early as 1959 and possibly earlier, Nehru did the same thing — hedge his bet by allying with the USA — as Modi is doing now. But Indira Gandhi had other ideas when she aligned India with the USSR in 1971. Here’s what happened next to India during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War:
Back then, Nixon wanted China to intervene while the Pakistanis pleaded for help from China. But the Chinese did nothing. Now the USA wants India to condemn Putin’s war in the Ukraine, by sanctioning Russia, or else be sanctioned by the USA. In other words, the USA wants India to treat Russia as an enemy or else be treated as an enemy by the USA. Remember what Indira Gandhi did in 1971? Unlike Nehru who collaborated with the CIA against China, Gandhi allied India with the USSR. And that has made all the difference.
With the USA as a friend of Modi’s India, Xi’s China does not need to do anything.
I want peace but we humans are such, it is only stupid to expect as such. You guys can keep Diego Garcia because Anglos/Whites found those island first.
My belief is that both the USA and China will collapse under their own weight in the future. And India will not take off like they Indian Nats are all dreaming about. See problems for the EU (civil war in between native Euros and muslim foreigners) and Russia too in the future. So instead of a Multipolar dream, we might end up with a non polar future!!!
日本侵略者在第一次世界大战前就入侵中国，在第二次中日战争期间在中国造成多达30万人死亡，你告诉我们日本人对中国人没有伤害，只是想把西方殖民者驱逐出中国？！ ！！
中国人的生命是否和印度教徒的生命一样值钱？ 你有没有在镜子里照过自己？
He has the opposite view. Indian (and African) experience was opposite. Before Postcolonial “Revolutioary” literature shrouded many historical facts.
https://www.victoriainstitutions.com/shrouded/29
第二十九章
英国殖民主义与美国霸权
一个片段
“American hegemony is basically based on firepower and technical skills. There is not much of what one can call a touch of emotional content of the local native people in the far-off nations standing with the American interests. If America goes weak, then they are as good as lost. 然而，就大英帝国而言，几乎在整个殖民历史上都可以看到，英方总是从较弱的、数量上微不足道的位置进行战斗。 然而，他们从当地支持者那里得到了如此多的情感忠诚，以至于他们设法度过了围困和最初的损失，取得了胜利。 为了获得这种情感忠诚的一个小例子，我们必须阅读罗伯特克莱夫如何在他的泰米尔士兵被围困六个多月时得到如此多的情感支持。 士兵们告诉他，他们将不再吃米饭，而是靠煮米饭后通常扔掉的水（kanjivellam）维生。 粮食库存已经耗尽到这样的水平。 罗伯特·克莱夫 (Robert Clive) 出类拔萃。 ”
Lowest of castes, Thiyyas of South India, treated like subhumans (literaly like monkeys) by upper caste Brahmans and Niars, before the British came in with a sword of justice.
The problem is that East Asians don’t use English which is the competitive advantage of Indians in English-speaking Western countries. So importing English-speaking Indian IT professionals won’t help East Asian economies that much, except maybe as English teachers. Australia and New Zealand could have benefited from an influx of English-speaking Indian IT professionals, and so would Singapore and Malaysia. But transnational labor is a highly sensitive issue in East and Southeast Asia. Australia and New Zealand may be more amenable to the influx of Indian IT professionals but Singapore and Malaysia may chaff at the increased competition from foreign-born immigrants, whether from China or India.
The population of East Asia — China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan — is projected to decline by at least half-a-billion in the next 50 years. East Asian countries may need to import high-IQ STEM workers which India can fill-in as their technical workforce ages and retires. But this is up to Indian officials to negotiate with East Asian countries to allow imported STEM talent from India with its shared civilizational and historical ties to Confucianist/Buddhist East Asia.
In case anyone hasnt noticed, malla is 和我们 whenever we call out India cow dung.
The moment we mention the whites especially the anglo, he become hostile and switch side. 😉
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Here he goes again,,,
When even the anglo themselves have taken responsibility, why is malla the ‘印度人‘ bent on whitewashing the perfidious Albion ?
malla that whiter than white ‘indian’
呵呵呵
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https://www.unz.com/estriker/international-finances-anti-china-crusade/?showcomments#comment-3825781
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/neville-maxwell-says-india-was-aggressor-in-1962-not-china-186929-2014-03-31
整个罗瑟勒姆问题作为抨击穆斯林的叙事已经变得陈旧和令人厌烦，进一步扩展，伊斯兰教本身，特别是因为犯罪强奸犯无处不在，信奉每一种已知的宗教。
有人会认为，这件事被小跑的频率，只有“穆斯林”罪犯强奸，而其他人只会做爱，如果不受欢迎的话。 它还背叛了这样一个事实，即这些白魔害虫对穆斯林的叙述弹药如此微薄。
至于罗瑟勒姆的罪犯，如果我是法官，我会把他们都炒了，那就是结局了。 他们为何入狱？
哈哈！ 这来自一个 dindian 很有趣，因为……这 XNUMX 亿个 dindoos 中的大多数，将是 点点滴滴 暗中幻想强奸他人（包括他们的黑人妇女） 欢呼 对少数族裔的强奸威胁）。
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/priest-booked-for-rape-threat-against-minority-women-in-up/articleshow/90736397.cms
许多灵魂病狂的野蛮人也屈服于诱惑（如果我们的“主”毗湿奴可以强奸图尔西，我们为什么不能呢？，似乎是那里流行的思维过程）。 毕竟它是世界的强奸之都。
在这里，一名强奸幸存者试图让一名警察帮助她，而害虫反过来强奸了她；
https://nypost.com/2022/05/05/indian-girl-who-reported-gang-rape-raped-again-by-cop-police/
所以请记住，任何印度人都不应该将他们国家的长期强奸问题投射到其他人身上。
而且，关于白魔实体，还有一个由来已久的问题： 基督教 牧师的性虐待。 在道德正义的背景下，这些白头翁不是住在玻璃房子里，而是住在泡泡里（你的人也是，原因如上所述）。
最终，whitevil mofers 似乎经常将“罗瑟勒姆问题”作为一种模糊的手段来转移他们自己的注意力 基督教 教士性掠夺者，一个比“穆斯林”更棘手的问题数量级。
这是异教无神论 邪恶化， 愚蠢的！ 他们（包括你的同类）应该首先处理这个问题，我敢说他们是害虫！
You misquoted the article. Here’s the full quote:
Mao was supporting and arming national liberation movements all over the Third World. But Khrushchev sought detente with the USA in return for the withdrawal of Soviet technical assistance to Mao’s plan to acquire nuclear weapons technology from the USSR. That was the riff which started the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split.
Stop sending me COPY and PASTE “comments”, This is NOT your comment. This is copying from the internet and paste it here. It is obvious that you know shit about Iranian history and do not understand these lines that are printed in a Journal or a research paper posted on line, that’s why you come with LONG USELESS lines and paste it as ‘comment’ where no one understands. Do you you understand it?
I am not going to read these COPIED lines anymore. Use your own initiative and write something that people can understand. It is obvious that you know nothing about the Sassoon family in the development of the Opium Trade, therefore, you resort to COPY and PASTE.
I Showed that most of your ‘comments’ are NOT yours, but copied from the work of an Israeli researcher from the university of Pennsylvania. Then stop your foolishness at once. I don’t understand why are you so desperate to protect the British empire and its extension here?
David Sassoon, under British Government protection, had the most lucrative part of British India’s trade with China and other countries. These lucrative goods included opium, textiles, and cotton fibers. The Sassoon family did not work alone but had AGENTS in other countries that facilitated their trade. With David’s death, the Sassoon Foundation passed to his eldest son, Abdullah, who later became “Albert” and was known as Sir Albert Sassoon. He expanded the activities of the Sassoon Foundation in its two main markets, China and Iran . According to Cecil Roth, a Jewish biographer of Sassoon, during the thirty years of Albert’s presidency of the Sassoon Foundation, “the growth of these activities reached its peak and the name of the Sassoon Foundation reached its peak of fame.” So, Albert Sassoon needed AGENTS and TRAITORS to work with him to expand its ‘trade’ elsewhere.The name of Sir Albert Sassoon is DEEPLY connected with the name of Mirza Hossein Khan Sepahsalar, Iran, the great agent of the Sassoon family, and Persian ruler, an Anglophile . The high position of Sassoon family in the structure of the British Empire naturally brought them unparalleled political power, to the point that it made them the stronghold of political figures where had tremendous influence over the British empire and other countries’ political and economic development including Iran. It is known that Sassoon was involved in bringing Mirza Hussein Khan Sepahsalar to the throne in Iran (1871), an AGENT of Sassoon and thus a servant of the British empire. We have the same situation with American empire that have a lot of influence to put their puppets in the position of power to direct a country’s economic and political developments to protect American’s interests and rob the resources of that country. What had happened in British empire is happening with the American empire today with minor differences due to technology advancement.
If the gullible people think British empire was a benevolent empire, then it is only themselves to blame. According to Iranian history, Mirza Hussain Khan sepahsalar returned to Iran after a three-year mission in Mumbai with a fortune of over 150,000 rupees. He tried to fool people that he had won this large amount of money by “betting on horses”. But there was no doubt that the money was made by giving his services to the British empire . Sepahsalar’s three-year mission in Mumbai, although a turning point in his ties with the British-Indian Jewish oligarchy, was not the end of the road. They were aware of the weakness of Iran and its corrupt rulers, Qajar, compared to the European countries, and they hoped that the Shah and his entourage would open their eyes to the situation in France and feel the need to reform and modernize the old political and economic system of the country. Britain, as an industrial power of the time and one of the main sources of capital in the world, had a special attraction for Mushir al-Dawla (sepahsalar) and some other advisers to the Shah. They believed that the financial and economic participation of the British in Iran would have the benefit of protecting Iran from the threat of the Russians. One of the area of economic participation was opium where benefited Sassoon (British empire) and its agents in Iran and left famine for the local population.Sepahsalar, pro British school, believed that British friendship and support were necessary to maintain Iran’s ‘independence’ from Russian expansionism. We know now that was BULLSHIT, in fact this was the road to dependency, corruption and famine.
Of coursed, the pro British writers, painted Sepasalar, who was a pro British influence, as ‘patriot’. All these phony writers of the empire do nothing but LIES to keep the gullible people on board. But, those who viewed the situation more critically, disagreed.
We know that Sepahsalar encouraged Nasser al-Din Shah’s travels to England, and it was during these travels that met Rothschild and his brothers.The Sassons also had a special place as the closest friends of the British Crown Prince. And it was 8 months after the beginning of the Sepahsalar presidency, that the famous concession given to Jewish Reuters, which actually meant the sale of the land of Iran, was concluded. It did not end there, and when the Reuter’s concession failed, the railway of Iran was renewed, this time with the hand of Lord Rothschild and with the mediation of Lord Endolf Churchill, then the Minister of India, and the father of Winston Churchill, Later, the Jewish Oligarch won more concessions from their agents in power in Iran.As far as concession is concerned, a valuable concession was now granted to Reuters for banking operations and mining operations, which led to the establishment of the Imperial Bank of Iran with the participation of Sassoon and its partners, all were thieves.
To make the story short, the use of Opium was negligible before 1850s in Iran, and it started to rise after this date due to profitability of opium. The opium trade was developed and advanced by the Sassoon family under full protection of British empire for CASH. They did not give a damn about the consequences of this drug on people’s health, let millions die, but the empire prohibited the use of it in Britain. Both British empire and Sassoon Jewish oligarch knew what they were doing. Sassoon fired anyone who was working for its company, as soon as they found out they were addicted to opium.
looking thru the archive..
There was this post where malla declared he’s gonna switch side to India….cuz we offended his sensitivity on the 盎格鲁
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No, he did not, Nehru was anti-West, pro China till the 1962 war. There was reasonable relations with the USA and trade. As far as the myth of India supporting Tibetan rebels before 1962 war
从
https://whitecranefilms.com/writing/a-cold-war-in-shangri-la-the-cia-in-tibet/
If India (& Nepal) were supporting the CIA pre 1962 (1959), why would the CIA be scared of arousing suspicion of Indian (or Nepali) authorities? The operations was taking place clandestinely without the knowledge and support of Indian authorities.
That is it was only after the 1962 war with China, did Nehru/India come to know about the CIA Tibet activities and then after the war decided to help the movement.
So this Nehru/India allied with the USA before 1962 or gave active support to CIA-Tibetan revolutionaries is a lie.
Nehru actually went out of his ways to help China, his anti-colonial, anti-West mentality and his worship China mentality. All he got for it was a backstab by the CCP
https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/nehru-china-pla-rice-supply-invade-tibet/
Nehru helped PLA forces to rampage and decimate Tibet by supplying rice in 1950s:
KM Panikkar, India’s ambassador to China from 1950-52, often acted like Mao’s envoy rather than Nehru’s, invariably defending the Chinese acts of omission and commission.
India before 1962 had the most pro-China/ pro-CCP Government ever, after Independence, and such a pro-China/ pro-CCP Indian Government now is impossible for ever. The people of India will never allow it.
Nice try at psychoanalysts Denki. The truth is much more simple, I have come across some information just recently which changed my whole viewpoint about the Sino India situation before 1962. I realize, what Indian nationalists have been saying is true, that our first PM Nehru was too weak when dealing with China and did not read enemy intentions.
Earlier I thought this is bullshit but now I realize, they were speaking the truth. This has nothing to do with Anglos, you guys can start praising Anglos, my position will not change.
It is because of constantly calling “India wuz sepoy” bullshit and cheap propaganda which led me to do some research on this issue and find out that it was CCP which really back-stabbed India and now has only itself to blame for such suspicious attitudes Indians have towards China. Maybe face a two front war because of stupidity in 1962.
I am not denying the Jewish Sasson family influence in Opium Trade, but you are not giving full picture. Also Opium cannot be blamed alone for those famines, there was speculation and greed of Iranian authorities, merchants, religious clergy etc…
Also you claimed that Iran had a famine in 1877 and thus could not give grain to starving South Indians which led to the death of millions. But there was no famine in Iran in that year, I checked, it was a lie you said, some cheap excuse.
The recent article by Benjamin Ivrychohen, on Sassoon family opium trade, where the Mafia treat them as Jewish Kings, published in ‘forward’, is trying to belittle the crimes of Sassoon’s family, by explaining the situation as follows:
[[The Sassoons had to dismiss some of their Chinese employees because they were addicted to opium. Many of the Jewish families fought tooth and nail against banning opium. Opium was legal and used for medicinal purposes. Like people who sell cigarettes and alcohol, their feeling was that they were filling a need. They also looked upon the Chinese as being different from Westerners. They felt that the Chinese weren’t like us, so selling opium to the Chinese was seen as something that could be done. So there is a moral reckoning for selling this drug, even though the consequences for China were catastrophic.]]
https://forward.com/culture/442250/when-jews-were-kings-and-opium-lords-in-shanghai/
Today, we have similar situation with Opioid trade by SACKLER family who deny their role in opioid crisis where many people are dead. People are trying to get justices for their loved one using states to hold these criminals responsible demanding REPARATION.
Another agent of Sasson in Iran who expanded the cultivation of Opium, instead of crops to cash in, was Mohammad Mehdi Arbab Esfahani, one of the merchant of Bushehr. Sepahsalar and other British agents made Opium as the source of the development of “National economy” to convince people in the position of power.
Following the “spread of national economic ideas” during the Sepahsalar presidency, not only did opium cultivation progress greatly, but, according to Adamiyat, a pro west historian, addiction became so prevalent for the first time in Iran that described in foreign travelogues.
Thus the foundation of the “national economy” was laid, but at what cost? This is the point that pro British writers ignore.
The British Consul in Bushehr explains in his report that in the first years of Arbab Esfahani presidency of the chamber of commerce, the opium poppy was so developed that it led to a famine. Due to the profitability of the opium, the traders were attracted to devote more suitable lands to opium in Yazd, Isfahan and other places to poppy cultivation, and the cultivation of cereals and other crops was neglected. This was combined with drought and other factors, leading to the famine of 1871-1872. According to Ahmad Ashraf, an Iranian socialist, among the foreign companies that operated in Iran during the Qajar period, he mentions Sassoon Company which was engaged in foreign trade and import and export between Britain and Iran, especially opium exports, and had representatives in Bushehr and Isfahan. In the above source, two other Iranian agents of Sassoon Company are identified as follows:
Haji Mirza Mahmoud Kazeruni, the largest businessman in Shiraz, was the agent of Sassoon Company, and Haji Mohammad Sadr, the merchant of Isfahan, was the richest and most influential businessman.
Of course, the evil empire never work alone and always have naive and traitor individuals as businessmen or politicians, where some of them are let on the position of power by the empire, to work with a foreign power to rich themselves. This does not deny the crimes of the evil empire such as British where still is going on, of course, as a JUNIOR partner.
“Lol! This coming from a dindian is hilarious because… most of those one billion dindoos, would be the dotniggers who secretly fantasise about raping others (including their nigger women who cheer rape threats on minorities).”
Is it anything like what Mohammed did to the nine year old child? Aren’t you, as a Muslim, supposed to follow your Allah’s main man from Makkah in all things? Oh, I forgot! You Pakis are Muslims in name only because your Allah did not give you oil like the Arab countries, Nigeria and Indonesia. You’re the slaves of the sand jockeys!
bollocks !
Smoking gun…insider info.
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[posted many times before, now its gone from the webarchive, they’r really scrubbing the internet, enjoy your posting while it last]
Has the cold war ever stopped, have the barbarians ever left the gates, has India
the sepoy changed its spot, when was China NOT the anglo’s designated enemy ?
Here’s a transcript of the 1959 meeting between Khrushchev and Mao after the flight of the Dalai Lama from China to India:
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112088
Note that there were anti-China and pro-Dalai Lama protests in New Delhi after the CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising failed in 1959. Zhou En-lai said that there were border clashes between China and India during the 1959 Tibetan uprising when Indian soldiers crossed the McMahon line and fired first into Chinese soldiers guarding the border. These border incidents which coincided with the failed CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising and the subsequent flight of the Dalai Lama from China into India must have the tacit knowledge and covert support of Nehru, as early as 1959, if not earlier, due to the need to prepare for the Tibetan uprising within India.
In other words, Nehru was publicly saying one thing but secretly conspiring with the CIA to destabilize China by covertly supporting the Tibetan uprising in 1959. And there were already border clashes started by Indian soldiers crossing the McMahon Line during the Tibetan uprising as early as 1959! This implies that Nehru’s Forward Policy must have been a deliberate conspiracy between Nehru and the CIA to destabilize the China-India border as delineated by the McMahon Line, which China has never accepted as anything legitimate but treated as a colonial artifact of the British Empire.
Mehoo Bhai，进入 Jhakaas estyle，是的。
Mad Mullah Bhai 对我们印度教徒说坏话，所以经过几个世纪的强奸、掠夺和大屠杀，穆斯林对我们的邪恶仇恨并没有结束。 毫不奇怪，这些穆斯林邪恶是恶魔仇恨的深井。
他说，
你是说骑驴骑马？
飞马奇幻
我们的英雄像 Shri Ram 比你的假懦夫要好得多。
先知穆罕默德的英勇与乌胡德之战
哈哈哈。 这些是他们的英雄，难怪这些懦夫经常使用狡猾和欺骗来击败印度教徒。 他们只向他们糟糕的宗教和英雄学习。
你叫谁异教徒？ 一个自豪的术语，与我们的土地和祖先相连的信仰。
伊斯兰异教朝圣
哈哈哈，你在追随你肮脏的阿拉伯野蛮人主人的异教徒。 我们自豪地追随我们祖先的异教徒，我们向你们这些肮脏不洁的野蛮人吐口水。
梅霍尔拜，
这些穆斯林邪恶的无耻只是令人难以置信。 难怪这些野蛮人受到诅咒，他们的地区是战争、炸弹和鲜血的地方。 百万诅咒这些邪恶的害虫，印度古老的精神土地诅咒你邪恶，你邪恶的同类流血不止。 我们古代圣人的诅咒永远不会让你们穆斯林邪恶为你们所造成的无与伦比的死亡和破坏而获得任何和平。
印度伊斯兰奴隶制的历史| 高分辨率照片| CLIPARTO 赛普里亚 | #SangamTalks
这些穆斯林掠夺者和动物野蛮人从印度古代文明中掠夺的一小部分财富。 正如诺贝尔奖获得者奈保尔所说，穆斯林永久性地破坏了古老的印度文明。
A Glimpse Of India’s Wealth Looted By Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni | Manoshi Sinha | 索姆纳寺
这种邪恶，穆斯林邪恶的这种掠夺、强奸、掠夺和摧毁的欲望在他们邪恶的心中敲打着。 没有什么可以治愈这些邪恶以及这些肮脏的邪恶动物对印度和地球造成的损害。 他们想做更多！
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EXrEDXtS3xY
警告：穆斯林学者说我们将在 40-50 年内征服和奴役你 根据他们的邪恶宗教承认征服、强奸和掠夺计划。
伊斯兰学者承认伊斯兰教提倡奴隶制
Free Tibet to Save China!
If this would be the case, why was the CIA scared of Indian and Nepalese authorities would detect their Tibetan operations in 1959? Why were they making sure that Indian authorities would find out their operations? If India was colluding with the USA, why this fear? Why does the CIA itself says that the Indians were made aware of these Tibetan operations only after 1962?
India is a democracy and the Indian people considered (rightly or wrongly) what “China has conquered and colonised Tibet”. Please note India is not a country run by a Communist Party and people do demonstrate on their free will, this does not need the CIA. The Indian population was completely pro Dalai Lama, not Nehru, it was public pressure which forced Nehru to allow the Dalai Lama in.
Even Mao, Zhu De, Chen Yi or Zhou Enlai never made this connection in between the Tibetan uprising (march 1959) and the altercations with Indian soldiers (Longju Incident). The CCP would be the first to make this connection in between the and say it to Khrushchev in the link you provided.
The Government of India claims that Chinese troops moved into Indian territory and attacked the Assam Rifles and gave a protest note to China in this regard in 1959.
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/longju-incident-of-1959-how-india-lost-arunachal-territory-where-china-has-built-a-village
On 23 June 1959, less than three months after the Dalai Lama’s arrival in India, the Foreign Office of China handed over a note to the Indian Counsellor in Peking (now Beijing) accusing India of “intrusion and occupation of Migyitun, Samgar Sanpo and other places in the Tibet region of China and their collusion with the Tibetan rebel bandits”.
“…the Migyitun area in the south eastern part of the Tibetan region of China was intruded, shelled (and) occupied by over 200 Indian troops. These Indian troops, equipped with radio stations and weapons of various types, were building military work around Migyitun,” the note read.
In its response three days later, the Indian government “emphatically repudiated any suggestion that their forces violated the international frontier” and said that the areas mentioned in China’s note are located “within Chinese territory in Tibet”.
“The nearest outpost which the Government of India have in this area is at Longju. This is south of Migyitun and within the Indian side of the traditional international border,” the Indian note added.
However, despite India’s recognition of Migyitun as Chinese territory, the Chinese attacked the Indian post in Longju on 25 August 1959. Chinese troops under the 2nd Company of 1st Regiment of Shannan Military Sub Command attacked personnel of 9 Assam Rifles occupying the Indian post at Longju, Major Generals Dwivedi and Sandhu write in their book.
The Chinese opened fire on an Indian forward picket of 12 soldiers. The Indian soldiers were later arrested by the Chinese forces, although eight of them managed to escape somehow. This was followed up by an attack on the Indian outpost at Longju by a Chinese detachment.
The Chinese forces outflanked the Indian outpost and opened fired on it from a distance of about 800 yards, India said in its protest note handed over by the Indian Ambassador to the Chinese Foreign Office on 28 August.
In its protest note, the Indian government stated that the Longju post was “about two miles south of the international border” and said that the objective of the Chinese attack on Longju was “clearly was to overpower our outpost which was well within our territory”. On 26 August, a day after the first attack, the Chines forces encircled the Indian post at Longju and opened heavy fire on it. “Our personnel had therefore to abandon the post. We have no exact information as to their whereabouts,” the 28 August note reads.
The Chinese note on the issue, which was handed over to the Indian Ambassador on 27 August (a day before the Indian note) had accused Indian forces of intrusion and firing.
“…on 25th August 1959, a group of Indian armed troops intruded into Chinese territory south of Migyitun and suddenly opened fire on Chinese frontier guards stationed at Migyitun discharging dozens of rounds of machine-gun and rifle shots. After the Chinese frontier guards fired back in self-defence. the above armed troops withdrew from that area,” it said.
After this incident, India did not reoccupy the post in Longju. “Assam Rifles did not reoccupy Longju and instead set up a post at Maja, 10 km South of Longju, on 29 Aug 1959,” Dwivedi and Sandhu write, adding, “…after this incident, with effect from 27 Aug 1959, the defence of NEFA which till then was the responsibility of Intelligence Bureau under the Ministry of Home Affairs and Assam Rifles under the Ministry of External Affairs became the responsibility of the Indian Army.”
Completely false.
How did I misquote the article?? I only qouted what the Soviets accused the Chinese of. I linked the whole article. The Soviet accused the Chinese of “being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA.” The politics behind it (as you have explained) is a different issue.
In other words, interfering in the internal affairs of other polities while accusing others of the same!!! What hypocrites!!!
BTW, the USSR was interfering in the internal affairs of others too ….oops….I mean “supporting national liberation movements” once Khrushchev came into power. Example, in Rhodesia, ZAPU terrorists were supported by the USSR and ZANU by China.
Mehool Uncle, criticize Muslims if you like, but never insult a Prophet. Bad Spiritual karma, if you are Hindu, you would know what I mean. For your own good.
Malla Bhai.
[And this evil, this desire of Muslim evils to loot, rape, plunder and destroy beats in their evil hearts. Nothing can cure these evils and the damage these filthy evil animals have done to India and Earth. They want to do more!!]
Indian Men Too Small for Condoms
Indian researchers found the same problem:
{{Condoms designed to meet international size specifications are too big for many Indian men as their penises fall short of what manufacturers had anticipated, an Indian study has found.}}
You racist zionist Hendi first take care of YOUR PROBLEM and then shut up. You are so filthy and petty that even GOD did not give you the tool to control your population therefore, you stay as SLAVES for ever.
“One of the reasons for a failure of up to 20 percent (of condoms) is the association of the size of the condom to the erect penis,” the council’s Dr. Chander Puri told Reuters.”
Puri said many men in India, which has the world’s highest HIV positive caseload, were too shy to ask for condoms.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-condoms-size/speak-up-sir-you-need-the-extra-small-condoms-idUSDEL34444520061212
You filthy cannot make a suitable condom and out of frustration come here and insult Muslims who can make the best condoms
Most condoms, meanwhile, are a rather hopeful 5.9-7 inches. And your…..?
{{A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.}}
You filthy must be very jealous of Muslims, aren’t you idiot?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm
The following documents are transcripts of the meeting between Indian PM Nehru and Chinese Premier Zhou En-lai from April 21 to 24, 1960:
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/426/21426.pdf
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/419/21419.pdf
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/423/21423.pdf
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/013/434/13434.pdf
Zhou was anxious to settle China’s border dispute with India, as he met Nehru during his visit to India in April 1960, just one year after the flight of the Dalai Lama to India after the failed CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising in March 1959. But Nehru adamantly refused to accept any compromises with Zhou in order to legally demarcate the final boundaries between China and India. Instead, Nehru implemented his ‘Forward Policy’ by stationing Indian troops as far as possible, even crossing the McMahon line, into the Chinese side of ‘Line of Actual Control’. That’s what led to the 1962 Sino-Indian War which forced Nehru to write a letter to Kennedy pleading for US military intervention, proving his complicity in the covert anti-China activities of the CIA in India. Nehru didn’t intend to seek any agreement with Zhou precisely at the behest of the CIA which was actively seeking to destabilize China.
“You filthy must be very jealous of Muslims, aren’t you idiot?”
Did Mohammed, your Allah’s main man, use condoms on the little girl he called his wife and molested very often? And what size was he using, small, medium, large or Negro? I bet you know all about it. Pray do tell us!
P. S. And why are you showing a Roman/Greek statue in relation to India? Are are you Muslims negros?
I disagree with you, Malla. Mehool Bai has the right to criticize not only the pedophile Mohammed but the bloodthirsty Allah (actually, he is a copy of the Jewish God YHWH in that sense), just as a Muslim has the right to do the same to Jesus, Krishna or Buddha.
But no one has the right to do what Muslims have done over the centuries, which is to plunder, rape and destroy other cultures. Those sanctimonious niggers from the desert and their slave followers from around the globe deserve what they’re now getting. You’re right in that karma can be a really nasty bitch.
Well, Mehool Uncle might have said some brutal stuff but he was only responding to the insulting things written by Hindus the person named “anonyms”, who started this whole Hindu Muslim thing out of the blue. Hindus are extremely sensitive of outsiders insulting their gods and religions and ESPECIALLY from Muslims because of the 800 years of humiliation. So what was Mehool Uncle to do? Not respond back? Allow Muslims to insult Hinduism and accept his position as a slave. The things you wrote of Hindus as slaves proves my point. I have observed this in online forums. Many Muslims have a deep belief that Hindus should be their slaves, that Hindus are a slave race and that Muslims should rightfully rule Hindus in the lands of their own ancestors!!! Not all Muslims but many and they keep this attitude hidden, and suddenly it comes out. And yet Muslims complain about the West? Sometimes about Russia (Chechnya). No wonder there is so much anger in Hindus and the rising Hindutva movement. Why should Indians sympathize with Muslims? No wonder India allies with Israel (while Israel loots India via shady defense deals).
And what you wrote about organ size, if true is a self goal. Because it says Indians, which would include Indian Muslims and since Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are of the same race, it would hold true for them too. This is after all a racial/ genetic thing. Just by uttering the Shahada and converting to Islam and getting circumcised, a Hindu’s organ size won’t suddenly grow.
And since South Asian Muslims by population are a major chunk of the Muslim global population, it seems a large chunk of the Muslim population have similar organ sizes. Now what if Whites claim that Muslims are mad because of this fact? I was reading s scientific paper, years ago, will have to find it, that among Caucasoid types there is a North West-South East variation in testosterone that Scandinavians men had more of it than Balkan men who had more than Middle Easterners and South Asians. So if Muslims criticize the West, does this mean they are jealous of Westerners?
And to be honest, Hindus do not and never have any inferiority complex feelings towards Muslims, Conservative Hindus (like most conservative people on Earth) consider Muslims as “barbarian vermin wierdos” in the midst of their normal societies. Abnormal people with abnormal habits (not my personal view at all) . Hindus/Jains have superiority complex feelings that their civilization is oldest and greatest and all other civilizations came from theirs. That foreigners are strange etc… like most conservative populations on earth.
But I admit, they may have inferiority complex feelings towards Whites or Yellows due to their good (plus high IQish) looks, perceived sophisticated culture/mannerisms, technological achievements, developed countries etc…. but never Muslims or Middle Easterners, I have never seen it ever. And this mix of superiority complex feelings mixed with the inferiority complex w.r.t Whites and East Asians, does weird things to their minds. But Hindus NEVER have or had inferiority complex feelings towards the Islamic World or Middle Easterners in general. NEVER EVER. The idea is hilarious. Hindus/Indians just look at Middle Easterners/ North Africans, South East Asians, Hispanics/ Native Americans etc.. as just some other varieties of brown people like themselves but still very different from themselves. They obviously look at Whites, Yellows and Blacks are very different from themselves.
*written 驳 Hindus by the person named “anonyms”,
Mehaool Bhai, entry estyle.
是的。
Mad Mullah bhai is obsessed with penises. We write.
Hahah, who wrote this? Western scientists paid with Saudi money and given Arab pussy. No wonder they are all jealous of India and hate Indians and write such nonsense. Muslim evils and White thieves have collaborated many times to loot us Hindus like during British times. All of you Muslim evils, White thief and Chinese demons hate India and will spread such nonsense to feel good about yourselves. We know you Muslim evils, you collaborate with Western thief and Chinese devils to break apart our country, to break our nation. We know your cunning tricks, but they will fail, we sons of our motherland India will fight for our country and defeat you evil foreign forces.
This is the Tukde Tukde conspiracy by foreign Muslim evils and the other foreign forces to break our beloved India apart.
Gulf Arab Sheikhina women frequently run away with their Indian drives, escape to India and live happily. Happens very regularly. There is a big problem for Arab Gulf women falling for their Indian Hindu drivers in Gulf. Hahaha. Why they run?
If you want to compare the penises, bring your slut sister to Mumbai, when you come, you tell me, my men will pick you up, treat you like guest. Then later I mount your slut sister/cousin from front and you from back and let her compare during session which is bigger. I will bet a 100000 Rs on the spot for size. Come come. Come to Chatrapati Shivaji Airport, Mumbai and contact me via Unz. Shivaji kicked you foreign muslims behind.
Your hatred for Hindus is obvious. No shame, your demonic kind came to our peaceful lands and looted its wealth, killed millions, enslaved millions, raped millions. What had our poor peaceful ancestors done to deserve this? Image my poor Hindu ancestors running for his life and evil Muslim horsemen run after him to catch him and make slave, of sharing his wife among themselves, of killing his villages. What did he do to deserve this.? Noo, we will take revenge, we 1 billion people Hindus we are only getting ready. We swear by souls of our ancestors, every evil you did we will do to you. We never came to your shitty land, you came here. Looted our wealth and make your Damascus and Baghdad. Took our Indian knowledge to have your Islamic Golden age. What culture you have in your third rate Middle East? Do you know the greatness of ancient Indian culture? What food you eat with no taste. I have tried your Middle East foods, no taste, no flavour, what culture you have? You looted everything.
And even before we take revenge, the peculiar and mysterious spiritual forces of ancient India of her great sages will have its effect. Your kind will bleed and burn. Women, children everybody, our million curses to your kind. Curses from the depth of our hearts. You bleeded our women and children, you will face the same. All will drip drip blood. And bombing and fire. Fire God Agni will leach the evil from your kind and purify tour souls. There will never be peace in your cursed lands.
Many centuries ago, heart broken and deep in pain on seeing the destruction to our ancient holy land by your barbarian kind, some holy sage, wi8th bitterness with his heart cursed your kind. And in came Ghenghis Khan, his glorious Mongol Empire whose sword killed and killed millions of your demonic kind. Well deserved, entire cities destroyed by the Mongol Army, when the Universe heard the cries and curses of the holy Indian sage. Baghdad destroyed. But that was only short term effect, the cleansing done by Genghis Khan’s force, long term effects of curses are yet to kick in. That is only spiritual revenge, material revenge, we will take. We are getting ready. Never forget what happened to our hapless ancestors, never forgive.
——孟买Mehol Bhai
I am uncomfortable with it but each to his own. Mehool uncle lives in a free country.
Bullshit. The idea that India had anything to do with the CIA to destabilize China is preposterous as the CIA themselves admit that they had to keep things clandestine till 1962.
Have you actually read the lined pdfs tyou provided. Go through them, what we see is a big difference in positions of both the countries as to where the boundaries could be. Zhou En Lai even accepts in the end (4th link) that solving the border issue will take a long time. nothing here shows that India was deliberately avoiding solving the border issue due to the wishes of any third party.
Whatever happened before 1962 happened primarily in between India and China, India did not need CIA approval of anything. And this attitude that India needs CIA approval for any action shows arrogance on the side of the Chinese, to deny India its own agency. To the Chinese mond, China is a big boy fighting American Imperialists and an insignificant country like India can only act in some camp and not as an independent agency which is completely unsupportable by reality and the source of a lot of misunderstanding.
Also thanks to your links, I am understanding more and many of my misconcpetions have righted. It seems the so called colonial McMohan line only affects the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet. However one mush remember that the people/s Republic of China accepted the “colonial” McMahon line as border with Myanmar/Burma but not with India.
But the border in AkshaiChin-Ladakh region has nothing to do with Mcmohan or the British,, Here India’s claims rests on the princely state of Jammu & Kashmir, which was not part of the Raj proper. And Indian claims of border there comes from the earlier and indigenous Sikh Empire.
Red Line = border of the Princely State of Jammu & Kashmir
So the “colonial line” excuse cannot be applied there. On 26 October 1947, Hari Singh, the sovereign ruler of Jammu & Kashmir acceded to India and thus the entire territory belongs to India and thus from an Indian position, parts of India are illegally occupied by China & Pakistan.
这是什么时候发生的？
The McMahon Line applies to the British NEFA (North East Frontier Agency), also called India’s Arunachal Pradesh or China’s South Tibet. The British first proposed the Macartney–MacDonald Line for its claim to Aksai Chin in 1899 while India bases its claim to Aksai Chin on the Johnson Line first drawn in 1865, both of which were never accepted by China. Here’s a map of Aksai Chin:
India’s claim to Aksai Chin is based solely on the 26 October 1947 accession to India made by Hindu Maharaja Hari Singh, on behalf of Kashmir and Jammu. But the restive Muslim population in Kashmir has been rebellious for seven decades now since its accession to India in 1947, made worse by Modi who does not want Muslims in India. Meanwhile, Ladakh which borders Aksai Chin is predominantly Sino-Tibetan Buddhist which makes it closer ethno-culturally to Tibet than to Hindustan India. Same principle applies to Tawang in the East.
That “solely” is enough, the King of Kashmir is the sovereign ruler of that land, Kashmir was not part of British Raj, but a princely state (Indian EmpireBritish Raj proper+Princely States), if that sovereign ruler joins India, the whole territory of Jammu & Kashmir princely state becomes part of the territory of the Dominion of India and later the Republic of India. Any other nation having control on Indian sovereign territory is considered an act of war against India.
One can say the same thing about Xinjiang. But if the han claim that Xinjinag was once part of China during Tang or earlier (way before Qing) or that the original population there are Pamiris, Indians will claim Muslims appeared in the Indian subcontinent far later, Kashmir had Hindu temples before Mohammed was even born, indeed Kashmir is named after Hindu Indian sage Kashyap.
One can make the argument that the Uyghurs are closer ethno-culturally to other Central Asians like Uzbeks, Kirghiz etc… of the nations of Central Asia than the Han Chinese.
Anyways, I am not taking sides, I am just explaining the position and we see that there is a big difference in perceptions where the borders should be in between the Chinese sides and Indian side. The Chinese side also claims that Indian maps have changes, which may be true. Maybe the Chinese side is in the right, I don’t know. I am not sure which side is speaking the truth about the 1959 incident, I did not have a drone then to check out, which side attacked which side.
From an ethno-racial pint of view, I would have given Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh (South Tibet) to PRC as I would rather have the Tibetan type populations together whether as part of PRC or an independent Tibet.
If highly educated intelligent leaders/diplomats on both sides could not solve it yet, I doubt you and me can solve this issue on Unz.
Not as simple as that. The Indian position is based on older treaties, treaties before the British Empire.
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/423/21423.pdf
Indian PM Nehru explains India’s border position to Premier Chou En Lai of the People’s Republic of China. Some snippets.
“This is the traditional boundary for Ladakh and can be traced back to the 10th century. At one time· In the 10th century, Ladakh and Tibet were under one rule. Then occurred family partition and western Tibet was given to one member of the family and Ladakh to another. After that Ladakh became separate. In 1664 it accepted suzerainty of the then Indian empire, namely, Moghul Empire which had extended to the area of Kashmir. In 1681 Ladakh was invaded by Tibetans and Mongols but they were driven back by Ladakhis with the aid of the Moghul Governor of Kashmir. This resulted in the peace treaty of 1684. We have still got a copy of this treaty. This treaty repeats these boundaries which it says ware there when the three families first ruled and that they should be maintained. Chronicles of those days said that the boundary between Ladakh and Tibet was fixed at Demohok in that area. Other chronicles of the period also confirm this. In 1846 Cunningham visited this area and he found that the eastern boundary of Ladakh was defined by piles of stones.
But between 1834 and 1841 Ladakh was conquered by the ruler of Jammu, Gulab Singh who was a feudatory or the north Indian kingdom of the Sikhs. In 1841 Gulab Singh’s general, Zorawar Singh, invaded western Tibet. He was, however, defeated by Tibetans aided by Chinese troops who advanced towards Leh. The Tibetan and Chinese troops were, however, pushed back by the Ladakhis and a peace treaty was signed in 1842. We have the text of this treaty and on behalf or the Chinese-Tibetan forces it was signed by an army officer who held Chinese rank.=
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“In 1846 the British suggested to the Tibetan and Chinese parties that this accepted boundary should be formally defined. The Chinese Imperial Commissioner at Hong Kong replied sayings ”Respecting the frontier, I beg to remark that the border of these territories has men sufficiently and distinctly fixed so that it will be best to adhere to this ancient arrangement and it will prove far more convenient to abstain from any additional measures for fixing them“. I might mention that until then, that is to say, in the late forties of the 18th century, Kashmir and Ladakh were not a part of the British Empire. It was only a little later that Kashmir accepted British suzerainty but it continued as a State.
In 1899 the British made proposals to the Chinese again suggesting that this recognized boundary, that is to say, the northern boundary or Kashmir and Ladakh with Sinkiang, should be clearly defined. In making the proposal, the British clearly stated that this boundary of Ladakh or more correctly Kashmir, lay along the Kunlun mountains to a point east of 80 deg. The Chinese Government took no objection either to this proposel or to this definition of the border.
From all this it would appear that till the 19th century there was no divergence of opinion on the alignment or the boundery of Ladakh in the parties concerned – namely the Ladhakis, Kashmiris, the Tibetans, Chinese, Indians or the British. ”
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“Although the Kashmir State acknowledged the suzerainty of the British, the British did not interfere in the internal affairs of the State and in fact there were strict rules about British people going to these areas. They could not normally go to these areas unless it was on invitation on the ruler of Kashmir. Actually many of these surveyors and travelers were invited by the ruler of Kashmir for surveying purposes. =
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“In 1810, the then Viceroy of India Lord Mayo signed a commercial treaty with Kashmir for developing trade routes. The treaty says that with the consent of the Maharaja of Kashmir, officers will be appointed for surveying the trade routes from Lahaul to the territory of the rulers of Yarkand including Chang Chen Mo Valley. Therefore all these parts were considered to be in the Kashmir State and Lord Mayo had to take consent of the Kashmiri Government before sanding his men to these areas for surveying work.”
That decision by one man with a different language, culture and religion than the Kashmir Muslims has been contested by Pakistanis and Kashmiris since day one.
China’s neighboring countries in Central Asia do not claim Xinjiang as part of their territories. The only foreign State to have supported Uyghur secessionists is the USSR before the founding of the PRC which did settle its border disputes with all of its Central Asian neighbors. In fact, the USSR invented the term ‘East Turkestan’ which has been appropriated by Western Imperialists today. Ironically enough, the Soviet Communists succeeded in ‘sovietizing’ those Central Asian States by destroying their Islamic Statehood first described by Soviet Turcokologists as ‘Turkestan’ which the Uyghur secessionists belatedly want to revive as their own polity. But that issue is moot and academic because the USSR eventually recognized Xinjiang as part of China, as did ALL of its Central Asian neighbors.
The Han Chinese and Hui Muslims became the majority inhabitants of the Xinjiang region after its annexation by the Qing Dynasty in the 17th century. Before then, Oirat Mongols who follow Tibetan Buddhism were the majority inhabitants of the Xinjiang region. Only after the Dungan Revolts in the mid-to-late 19th century did the Uyghurs move into Upper Xinjiang (Dzhungaria) from Lower Xinjiang (Tarim Basin), consisting of the Taklamakan Desert which is ringed by oases towns through which the ancient Silk Road passed through. The Uyghurs lived in those oases towns not in Xinjiang proper which was created by the Qing Dynasty. The Uyghur secessionists and their Western propagandists misrepresent the history and culture of Xinjiang which was Buddhist for most of its 2,000 year history. Only after the USSR invented the fake concept of ‘East Turkestan’ did the Uyghur secessionists started calling for their own Islamic State to be established in all of Xinjiang.
Anyway, China is not interested in the Hindu-Muslim sectarian conflict in Kashmir which is now one of the most militarized regions on this planet. China is only interested in settling its border dispute with India, in the Western, Middle and Eastern sections of their common border, which should have been demarcated as early as 1960. That would have prevented the 1962 Sino-Indian War with all the acrimony that ensued thereafter. Those border regions were ‘virgin territories’ anyway until some British colonial officers started drawing lines which appeared on late 19th to early 20th century maps.
Nehru is referring to the Johnson Line which corresponds to the furthest extent of India’s claim to Aksai Chin as part of Ladakh. His version of historical events is contradicted by this Wikipedia entry:
In the three-year Siege of Basgo (1681-1683), the Ladakhis repelled the joint Mongol-Tibetan invasion with the help of the Mughals. After the Mughals had left for Kashmir, the Tibetans returned and attacked Ladakh again in 1684, with the help of the Zungar Mongols, ending in the defeat of the Ladakhis and the signing of the 1684 Treaty of Tingmosgang which fixed the Tibet-Ladakh border at the Lhari stream near Demchok, and regulated trade between Ladakh and Tibet as well as tribute missions from Ladakh to Tibet.
Note that Nehru made it appear as if the Ladakhis were victorious which forced the Tibetans to cede territories to Ladakh. That’s incorrect as the Tibetans returned and defeated the Ladakhis in 1684 after the Mughals who helped the Ladakhis defeat the Tibetans earlier in the Siege of Basgo had left for Kashmir in 1683.
That being the case, why would Tibet cede Aksai Chin to Ladakh when it won the war in 1684? After all, Aksai Chin is uninhabited territory which is useful only as a transport corridor between Xinjiang and Tibet as used by their allies, Dzungar Mongols from Xinjiang. This fact alone completely demolishes any and all claims to Aksai Chin made by Ladakh, on behalf of Kashmir, in the name of the Mughals, Sikhs, British, Indians, Pakistanis or whosoever was or is now ruling Ladakh.
还有其他问题吗？
Woaw woaw, there was no need for all this. My point was not that the Indian position was more correct than the Chinese, Zhou En Lai, came up with the PRC’s position, which has its strengths too. I am not judging that, my point was Indian claims in that area is not only based on colonial claims only but also pre-colonial claims also. That was my main point. Because somehow, by some weird logic, anything British is unique evul and since India is inherently lowly sepoy (the tag can only be removed, if India accepts anything China says), my point was that in that sector (Aksai Chin/ Ladakh and not South Tibet/NEFA/ Arunachal), Indian claims are based on pre-British and British era treaties and claims. Because the Chinese Communists having a Marxist viewpoint mixed with China’s own experience, tend to have a higher opinion of Asian powers like the Mughals etc… who are uniquely good unlike the British who are uniquely evul, that is why I raised my point. The argument that India is taking a colonial stand over the ENTIRE border, I demolished that. That is what I was countering. I am not even in the game of which point of view is more correct (Chinese or Indian).
And even if the Indian side got the history a bit wrong, the Indian government is in the possession of a copy the treaty papers in between the Governments of Tibet and Ladakh.
As Nehru says,
Not so fast, the Indian claim is much more complicated than just that. The Indian side claims that the treaty, you just discussed is in agreement with the Indian claims, and there are other historical events and treaties in their support. Supposedly.
Anyways, if you really want to discuss this, I suggest, you take up your fight with some Indian embassy or Indian diplomatic staff.
All I have established is that,
1] There is a disagreement in between how the Indian and Chinese sides perceive the boundaries. I use plural for the Chinese because the Nationalists in Taiwan have their own claims, at times bigger than the CCP claims. No CIA or Murica need be involved. It is in between the Government of the Republic of India and the Government of the People’s Republic of China. India is very uncomfortable in getting third parties involved in its border disputes.
2] India’s claims are base don colonial era as well as pre-colonial era historical events and treaties. A holistic historical view in which the evul British are just a part, unfortunately.
As far as which side’s claim is more correct, I am neutral on that and I am ready to agree that China’s claims MAY be right but equally India’s claims MAY be right or a mix of both depending on particular areas. Both sides have intelligent people who will hopefully find some permanent solution with negotiation.
Kashmiri Muslims are not the only people of the Princely state of Jammu and Kashmir. That man was the from a ruling dynasty which ruled Kashmir for more than a century. By your (Pakistani) logic, a lot of treaties and national boundaries around the world will be jeopardy.
The Indian Government position is that the Kashmiri people are happy to live as part of India but foreign interference from Pakistan via Pakistan occupied Kashmir territory (legally Indian territory under foreign occupation) as well as terrorist activities by bandits supported by a foreign hostile government (Pakistan), which is the root of all the problems.
Anyways lets leave it as that, the World is full of independence/secessionist movements. Each has its own situation with multiple dimensions. Cheers.
According to Alastair Lamb of the Institute of Advanced Studies, Canberra, no original text of the 1684 Treaty has survived, with its terms only deduced today, as claimed below:
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUYrBkIntLaw/1965/4.pdf
Somebody is not telling the truth here; either Nehru was bluffing or Lamb was mistaken. In any case, the 1684 Treaty between Tibet and Ladakh would have resulted in better terms for Tibet such as sovereign control over Aksai Chin which had served as the transport corridor between Tibet and Xinjiang. Without Aksai Chin, the Kunlun Mountains would have blocked any Westward means of accessing Xinjiang from Tibet, as shown in the map below:
China has no claims on Ladakh or Kashmir or Jammu. The only question here is: whose territory is Aksai Chin? Ladakh or Tibet? China can’t claim Aksai Chin if the latter doesn’t belong to Tibet. If the 1684 Treaty can prove that Aksai Chin belongs to Tibet but not to Ladakh, then China wins the case, regardless of whether the Sikhs, British, Indians, Pakistanis or Kashmiris have ruled Ladakh in the past. All the lines drawn by the British such as the 1865 Johnson Line or the 1899 Macartney–MacDonald Line would become irrelevant.
Indian claims do not depend only on Nehru, India is not a dictatorship but a huge, Government bureaucracy behind it. And after Nehru, I do not know if the Indian position has changed. Nehru was briefed by his ministers and bureaucrats on this issue. It is more then just Nehru-centric. There have been many Governments after Nehru, from Deve Gauda to V.P. Chandrashekhar to I.K. Gujral to Narshimha Rao to Atal Bihari Vajpayee. You must have never heard their name, but under them has the Indian position changed, I do not know.
Not really, if you check out the conversations in between Nehru and Zhou En Lai, the Indian position is based on many other treaties too. Like the one in 1842 and others. Anyways, your best bet is to take this debate with Indian Diplomats in some Embassy.
I doubt if Nehru was bluffing because the Chinese side could easily demand to see the copy. The Indian side would be obligated to show it. The question would then arise on the authenticity of the document, if Alastair Lamb is right. I suspect, once Kashmir joined India, India got those documents because all legal documents of Kashmir state would then become part of India’s stash. Since Kashmir was a princely state with limited British influence and thus more feudal, there are possibilities of doubt of authenticity of documents as compared to say what India got from the earlier Government of India (British Raj) who would have been far more particular in these issues of authenticity.
The 1842 Treaty merely confirmed the original Ladakh-Tibet boundary in the 1684 Treaty after the Tibetans with the help of their Chinese allies defeated Gulab Singh but failed to conquer Leh.
The logic of my argument is based on the strategic value of Aksai Chin which served as the transport corridor between Xinjiang and Tibet, as documented by numerous wars in that region. The Tibetans would never have agreed to cede Aksai Chin which was the transport corridor used by their Mongol and Chinese allies to travel from Xinjiang to Tibet and help them defeat their enemies in both the 1684 and 1842 Tibet-Ladakh Wars. For Tibetans to lose Aksai Chin implies getting cut off from their allies in Xinjiang, making them vulnerable to attacks from Ladakh. Giving up Aksai Chin is suicidal for them which doesn’t make any sense at all.
If India has a copy of the 1684 Treaty as Nehru has claimed, then maybe you could convince them to publish the text in its entirety. That would settle the issue of Aksai Chin once and for all.
Me, convincing the heavy arrogant Indian bureaucracy? No thank you, I avoid them like the plague. You can try if you wish. May be the PRC could demand, Government of India publishes it. That could solve it.
Let the bureaucrats deal with the bureaucrats, leave me out.
China has fifteen or so land neighbours. More than any other country. They have peacefully settled all territorial disputes but those with poor old India. The punkas really cannot buy a trick. Imagine if China and India co-operated, but the Indian ‘elites’ prefer licking Western arses.