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关于谁将在全国一些竞争激烈的国会竞选中获胜的争论颇多,但有一点是肯定的:无论谁获胜,都将很快获得一次不错的所有费用支付豪华的以色列之旅,以了解本杰明·内塔尼亚胡 (Benjamin Netanyahu) 对什么的看法华盛顿可以做更多的事情来支持他和他的政府。 “教育研讨会”由以色列大厅组织,更具体地说是由一个被称为美国以色列教育基金会的免税实体组织 (AIEF),这是强硬的美国以色列公共事务委员会 (AIPAC) 的一部分。 所有新生国会议员都参加这次旅行不是强制性的,但如果人们想留在大厅的右侧,则是可取的。 2015 年 2014 月,XNUMX 级只有 三票弃权 在 53 名新国会议员中,当它与一个民主党团体沿着党派路线前往以色列时,不久之后又是一个共和党特遣队。

这些迎新旅行是国会议员经常由纳税人资助的访问的补充,以更新以色列不断扩大的“需求”清单。 一个这样的 最近的旅行 北卡罗来纳州参议员汤姆·蒂利斯 (Thom Tillis) 对此充满热情,“在一个饱受恐怖主义和压迫的地区,以色列作为希望和自由的闪亮灯塔脱颖而出。” 同样来自北卡罗来纳州的国会议员大卫·鲁泽 (David Rouzer) 观察到:“对以色列的任何攻击都是对美国人民的攻击。 我们很荣幸与本杰明·内塔尼亚胡总理会面。”

我自己的国会议员芭芭拉康斯托克,代表 10 的共和党人th 弗吉尼亚区,去年进行了新生之旅。 康斯托克是一位雄心勃勃的立法者,她已证明自己是一名敬业的共和党官员。 最近,她支持参议员马可·卢比奥 (Marco Rubio) 的总统候选人资格,后者是共和党建制派的最终候选人,当谈到对美国人民面临的严重问题的任何理解时,他被恰当地描述为“空衣服”。

康斯托克已参与 一些不讨喜的企业 当她爬上共和党的阶梯时。 她曾为白宫助手 Scooter Libby 担任国防基金负责人,后者在深度掩盖 CIA 官员 Valerie Plame 后最终被判犯有伪证罪和其他罪行,这是一项重罪。 离开普拉姆不仅毁了这位女士的职业生涯,还阻碍了中情局寻找和消灭核扩散器的努力,而这正是瓦莱丽正在努力的工作。

我不想表现出对康斯托克的看法,但她和我在她的以色列之行以及她返回弗吉尼亚后的陈述中进行了一些讨论,我想与大家分享。 我必须指出,她远非独一无二。 实际上,她与众多其他国会议员没有什么不同,他们缺乏原则和同情心,并长期致力于保持以色列的良好一面。 它是完全两党合作的。 如果康斯托克在今年 2017 月被民主党国会候选人 LuAnn Bennett 取代,我相信 Bennett 将在 XNUMX 年参加 AIPAC 赞助的旅行,并且会在以色列 - 巴勒斯坦问题上同样尴尬。 毕竟,这就是政客所做的。

康斯托克 评论她的旅行经历 在当地报纸上, 劳登时代镜报,说她会见了一致反对当时即将与伊朗达成核协议的以色列政府领导人。 她同意,得出的结论是,伊朗“不仅对以色列和整个地区,而且对美国都是一个很大的威胁。” 她重申了以色列的观点,即该协议将使伊朗有可能在 12 或 13 年内研制出核武器。 她还反对削弱制裁以诱使伊朗放弃其计划,并指出“我认为如果有任何事情我们应该增加制裁。”

我行使第一修正案的权利,然后给报纸写了一封信:

“因此,国会女议员芭芭拉·康斯托克(Barbara Comstock)已前往以色列,其旅行费用由以色列游说团体支付。 虽然总理本雅明内塔尼亚胡警告她伊朗人对美国(当然还有以色列)构成威胁,所以她相信他而不是她自己的总统,并返回来反刍她所接受的宣传。 康斯托克女士从来没有想过内塔尼亚胡可能给她和其他国会议员喂了很多垃圾。 无论是以色列自己的将军还是五角大楼的美国将军,无论它试图做什么,实际上都不认为伊朗是一个严重的威胁。 中央情报局和摩萨德都不相信伊朗曾试图制造核武器。

“也许她应该在这个上做功课。 伊朗协议大大降低了该国生产核武器的能力,其研究实验室将受到侵入性检查。 当然没有任何交易是完美的,但有很多内置的保障措施,如果伊朗未能保持其结束的交易制裁将重新实施。 这是一项对所有有关各方都有利的协议,包括对以色列而言。

“多发性硬化症。 康斯托克可能还想重新审视她的就职誓言,誓言她将捍卫美国宪法,而不是成为外国希望我们做的事情的帮凶。 我们的第一任总统乔治华盛顿明智地敦促美国人与每个人保持友好关系,避免对另一个国家产生“热情的依恋”,这可能会造成“共同利益的错觉……在不存在共同利益的情况下”。

报纸不印我的信,所以我直接写信给国会女议员,开头是“媒体报道说,你是在以色列游说团支付的旅行中前往以色列”,然后加上我在报纸信中提出的观点.

康斯托克回应,我逐字引用她的前三段:

“奥巴马政府发誓这项协议将拆除伊朗的核武器计划; 提供随时随地的检查; 并削减伊朗的弹道导弹计划。 今年 367 月,我和我的 XNUMX 位同事签署了一封给总统的两党信函,其中概述了谈判中必须完成的工作,以便国会支持该协议,该信函指出,最终协议必须向伊朗提供“不通往炸弹的道路。 政府的任何承诺都没有兑现,也没有实现他们的目标。 因此,该协议存在致命缺陷,我反对这笔交易。

“奥巴马政府已承诺从美国解除对伊朗的制裁,以换取对伊朗核计划的暂时、不充分的限制。 它将允许伊朗在 10 年多一点后启动工业规模的核计划; 继续阻止国际视察员进入其秘密核设施; 隐藏过去在其核武器计划方面的工作; 并将让伊朗从协议中脱颖而出,成为全球舞台上的合法参与者,其过去的暴力、压迫和恐怖主义记录一扫而空。

“以数十亿美元的制裁救济和迅速解除武器禁运来奖励伊朗政权,为伊朗——一个出口恐怖主义的国家——提供了在该地区传播暴力的手段。 伊朗是世界上最大的恐怖主义支持国,这项协议只会让阿亚图拉和毛拉更加胆大妄为,继续在世界范围内散播不稳定。”

当然,回应几乎是一个包含“事实”的预设论点,这些“事实”可能部分由 AIPAC 起草,完全符合以色列游说团和以色列政府的想法。 它包括几个错误,尤其是在例行检查的有效性方面,对德黑兰造成的资金来源感到困惑,并大大夸大了伊朗作为恐怖主义国家赞助者的角色。 它还错误地将伊朗归咎于“在世界范围内蔓延的不稳定”。 这一荣誉属于美国,并得到了以色列的大力协助。

更重要的是,回应无视我的信的主旨,该信批评美国立法者前往外国付费旅行,然后回家将这些政府的利益与美国的利益混为一谈。 走一趟你被一方宣传的旅行,从不与被贬低的人的代表交谈,这是制定政策的一种糟糕方式。 伊朗和巴勒斯坦人确实有合法的观点,不管你信不信,人们不得不怀疑康斯托克在以色列时与多少阿拉伯人甚至持不同政见的以色列人交谈过。

与康斯托克的反应相反,即使德黑兰政府可能不是很好,它也不会以任何方式威胁美国,实际上是直接与伊斯兰国这样的组织作战。 我们应该在我们有共同利益的地方与伊朗合作,而不是反对它。 伊朗与 P5+1 国家之间的核协议取得了成功, 检查例行工作,据联合国检查员称。 如果说中东的根本问题不是伊朗,而是美国和以色列之间不合时宜的关系,它已经使该地区失衡并严重损害了美国在世界重要地区的真正利益。

要了解 AIEF 资助的以色列之行的真正影响,将康斯托克乘以 49 次,并每年重复一次,以确保国会中的每个人都受到宣传。 我敢打赌,康斯托克的所有 XNUMX 位同事去年也参加了这次赞助旅行,回来时都会对内塔尼亚胡和他的政府说了很多好话。 人们不期望国会议员为他们慷慨的薪水和津贴做很多事情,但是当他们环游世界并不加批判地接受他们从希望美国做重磅的外国骗子和恶棍那里听到的东西时,就会出现严重错误。在它们产生超出其控制能力的区域危机之后,他们会采取行动。 不幸的是,无论谁选举,Benjamin Netanyahu的脚下崇拜的朝觐将继续,让Mind Patrick Buchanan对一个无耻和腐败的国会的描述为“以色列被占领的领土”。 的确。

 
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  1. Israel and crypto-Israelis living inside the US have undermined our nation’s sovereignty. This is serious. These foreign agents have an agenda. And it’s a dangerous one.

    Incredibly, even acknowledging that there’s something wrong and perilous and artificial about this ‘special relationship’ (Israel and Washington) is verboten. So the malady hardens and spreads.

    But examining this un-diagnosed cancer, measuring its impact, and seeking a remedy is restricted.

    “There’s nothing to worry about. We are democratic allies”.

    But there’s plenty to worry about.

    Zio-US aggression is still at fever pitch. Iraq and Libya may be ruined, but there’s still Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Russia. Conquest awaits. Israel must be made secure. Her enemies must yield.

    We are in a very deep hole. And the digging continues.

  2. 5371 说:

    I examined photographs of this idiot Cumstock. She is attempting the “winsome” look.

  3. Clyde 说:

    我选择了我的阵营。 我是亲以色列和亲西方文明的。 你可以拥有你的伊朗和你的穆斯林。 你可以拥有古怪的逊尼派和什叶派。 你可以让大规模谋杀的 ISIS 杀害和强奸伊拉克和叙利亚的基督徒。 无论希拉里从美国犹太捐赠者身上得到多少,她都不会对以色列友好,所以去投票给她吧。 这是我对所有以色列痴迷者的建议。
    DJT 将对以色列和亲以色列保持中立。 特朗普更难预测,但他希望我们离开中东,所以这对以色列没有帮助。
    你必须在 1.7 亿被洗脑、崇拜穆罕默德的穆斯林和 17 万拥有外邦控制心灵射线的犹太人之间做出选择。
    那么,你站在男孩的哪一边,你站在哪一边?

  4. 它被称为第五列。 盎格鲁-犹太复国主义游说团体存在于任何人的记忆中。
    你关于伊朗资助和支持恐怖主义的论点充其量是可笑的。 伊朗资助和训练反对塔克菲里/瓦哈比主义意识形态和犹太复国主义意识形态。 它是对更大以色列的伊农计划的盎格鲁犹太复国主义梦想的抵抗的一部分。 它资助和支持真主党。 在主权国家黎巴嫩承认合法的政治和军事机构。 2006 年,他们与基督教方阵和黎巴嫩军队一起抵抗并击退了以色列对黎巴嫩南部的犯罪袭击。
    事实就是事实,像那样捏造谎言。德黑兰赞助恐怖主义是另一回事。 IE:看看以色列西部和沙特家族对也门人的犯罪行为,看看叙利亚都是西方和以色列/海湾合作委员会对主权国家犯罪的事实/。
    制造大规模杀伤性武器俄罗斯入侵/侵略。 中国侵略。 我们西方人何时才能从历史和围绕西方以掠夺性资本主义和社团主义的名义侵略世界的所有事实中吸取教训。
    伊朗从未入侵任何国家的事实
    Fact Russia has never invaded any country. Georgian incidence was instigated by Shakasvilli and the UN report has stated as much hence the Russians moving in decreased the body count of innocent ethnic Russians. Crimea The Russians had a 40 year lease in Crimea to use their military port and bases. hence when Nuland fuk the EU destabilised Ukraine and instigated a coup d’etat and the coup plotters and winners stated quite publicly to burn all russian to hell and then parliament went ahead and made it into law not to recognise the Russian language any longer . What do u think the people of Donbas were to do sit bak at let the fascist burn them alive like they did in Odessa. The Crimeans voted to become part of Russia 96 percent turnout and over 90 percent voted for being made part of Russia.
    中国从来没有侵略过任何国家,所以就像我一直在争论的是以色列、沙特阿拉伯和美国的犯罪行为,他们的结果是有目共睹的。
    所以让我们检查一下事实。
    1:阿富汗自 2001 年以来一直被西方占领。 这一时期的海洛因产量一直处于低位(检查联合国数据了解这些实际情况)自西方占领以来,海洛因产量呈指数增长。
    2; 伊拉克占领和在那之前布巴·克林顿没有那么宣传对伊拉克的战争(玛德莱娜·奥尔布赖特被问到,由于美国在他任职期间实施的制裁和不频繁的轰炸,一百万人死亡是否值得。她回答说是的。他们是noTakfiri s/wahabist 在伊拉克。我们来了我们轰炸/贫化铀/Faluja,癌症增加,看看伊拉克今天有多稳定。
    3; 利比亚:在卡扎菲的领导下,整个非洲的生活水平最高(查看联合国统计数据)。 今天看一下。 克林顿电子邮件丑闻和 2012 年 DIA 报告指出,在这些事件发生后,塔克菲尔主义和恐怖主义将会增长,而克林顿启用这些事件是为了破坏叙利亚的稳定
    4:叙利亚是整个宏伟计划的一部分,Fondem 的 Docius 最后但并非最不重要的是,韦斯利·克拉克 (Wesley Clarke) 揭开了他们的全球霸权欺骗计划的面纱

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  5. alexander 说:
    @Mark Green

    亲爱的马克,

    Were it that our “special relationship” yielded tremendous wealth ,prosperity, justice, freedom and Peace for all, what could any of us complain about ?

    What is so “serious”, Mark, is the wholly pernicious assault, AS A RESULT of this “special relationship ,on nearly every aspect of our once extraordinary Nation’s fabric.

    那就是问题所在。

    Look at our Nations balance sheet. What have our “junketed” congressmen done, but exterminated 15 trillion dollars of our nations wealth in a mere 16 years, launching feckless wars against countries that never attacked us?

    This is literally “mind numbing” in the scope of its criminality, and “mind blowing” in the vastness of its cost.

    It is unconscionable.

    This amounts to a one trillion dollar (war) “dump”, of taxpayer money, for every yearly “Junket” to Israel.

    Why is this good ?

    What about our bill of rights , and the sanctity of our constitutional mandates ? All vaporized under the Neocon regime.

    Why is that good ?

    And what have the “trillions” we have spent on our Neocon “Homeland Security” actually yielded ?

    Do you realize, Mark, that in the U.S. there were more “terror attacks” over the last eight months than there were in the ENTIRE FORTY YEARS (1960-2000) before the Neocons took over in 2001.

    What does this say ?

    What does it tell you that our country which is now TWENTY TRILLION dollars in DEBT, just coughed up another 38 BILLION to Israel, without any stipulations whatsoever.

    Israel in not even required to come up with a rudimentary Peace Plan.

    Unthinkable.

    But imagine, for a moment, if our “special relationship” yielded different results.

    Imagine if the US had GAINED, not LOST , 15 trillion in wealth.

    Imagine if our most sacred “values” were reinforced, not liquidated.

    Imagine if we were operating an enormous SURPLUS today.

    Imagine if the yearly “junkets” to Israel brought peace , freedom and prosperity to everyone.

    Now how much of a problem would that be , for any of us ?

  6. @Clyde

    So you support a regime that uses banned weapons on trapped Gazans and even experiments with new weapons on the same?

    And bombs and shells Gazan water treatment plants, food storage depots, electrical generating plants, UN refugee centers, schools, mosques and my fav, the Gaza Zoo?
    Yes, machine-gunning those jihadist lions, tigers and bears must be done!

    Israel is the cause of much of the ME grief, as these illegal wars against Syria and Iraq are the result of the Zionist dream of an ‘Eretz Israel,’ which stretches from the River Nile to the Rivers Tigris-Euphrates, paid for with the blood and wealth of Americans.

    While Israel’s infrastructure is first class, America’s is deplorable, falling apart, looking like a 3rd world’s because nearly all of the money we should be spending on our infrastructure is going to wage war against Israel’s ‘existential’ enemies.

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  7. Clyde 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    Islam is the world’s most successful imperialism. It has a fourteen century track record of barbaric conquest and annihilation. You can turn to the Armenian and Greek genocides of the 1920’s for a fine example of mass murder of millions by Muslims. In this case the Turks and their Ottoman Empire. The Aztec bloodletters with their human sacrifices of thousands at a time were not around so long. Muhammad’s legacy is far more bloody and enduring.
    事实上,它今天仍然以伊斯兰国和其他引用古兰经的野蛮人的形式存在。

  8. Rehmat 说:

    Dr. Giraldi – First of all, the American traitors within AIPAC and its associated pro-Israel advocacy groups receive most of their funding from taxpayers’ money (over \$5 billions/year) given to the Zionist entity. The Zionist regime in return spent a few hundreds of millions of that money to fund these groups which not only support Israel’s colonial policies but also provide all cost-paid trips to Israel and Tel Aviv’s 280 Jewish brothels. These American sell-outs to Zionist regimes, in addition to country’s politicians also include senior officials from CIA, FBI, DHS, NYPD, and police departments from all major cities.

    The anti-Iran propaganda has nothing to do with country’s military threat to the US or Israel, as both these colonial powers are sitting on nearly 9,000 nuclear bombs combined but Iran’s support for Islamic resistance groups fighting and humiliating the Jewish army such as Hizbullah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

    last year, Netanyahu lied by saying that release of \$150 billions of Iran’s own money would help Hizbullah and Hamas to kill more Israeli Jews. US government has admitted that it had released only \$35 billions so far while forcing international banking institutions not to honor Iran’s purchases from Italy, France, and other European nations.

    United States has long been an Israeli colony. So you’re right Dr. Giraldi that no matter whether Hillary or Trump win the November election – the real winner as usual will be Netanyahu.

    However, the fact is, Iran’s support for Assad, Hizbullah, and Hamas is deep-rooted which will never change as long as Khamenei is the country’s Supreme Leader.

    In July 2016, Khamenei in a speech claimed that the recent carnage in Turkey, Iraq, Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia was the work of the intelligence agencies from the US, Israel and Britain with the evil agenda to consign Palestine into oblivion.

    “在巴格达,数百个家庭看到亲人在犯罪分子和恐怖分子的手中丧生,而那些想要按照主人的命令在人们中间弘扬伪造和假冒伊斯兰教的人则流失了。 同样在伊斯坦布尔,孟加拉国和其他一些国家的其他地方,斋月期间禁食的人也遭受了恐怖袭击。 领导人是在周三在德黑兰举行的开斋节祈祷中说:“这是美国,犹太复国主义政权和英国安全部门培育出的恐怖主义的结果​​。”

    阿曼图拉·哈梅内伊(Ayatollah Khamenei)说,穆斯林国家是将某些政治分歧转变为内战的计划的目标。

    “The enemies are trying to consign the Palestinian issue into oblivion. They want to have the Islamic world preoccupied with internal problems so that the Palestinian issue is forgotten and the Zionist regime is given a chance to pursue its wicked goals,” said Khamenei.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/07/06/khamenei-muslims-are-victims-of-us-israel-uk-terrorism/

    The fact is, these groups don’t receive money from Tehran government but charity groups controlled by Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei.

    • 回复: @Alden
  9. Rehmat 说:
    @Clyde

    Had not been due to this “Islamic imperialism” in the past – Jews still had been wearing sign around their necks saying: “I’m the bastard who killed your Lord Christ”, or signs in front of Toronto and Calgary’s major hotels, saying: “Dogs and Jews no allowed”.

    经过改革的拉比·艾伦·S·马勒(Rabbi Allen S. Maller)在加利福尼亚州卡尔弗市(Culver City)带领Temple Akiba任职39年,然后于2006年退休。他曾在洛杉矶的犹太大学任教,并着有多本著作,并为几本犹太出版物撰写过专栏。 拉比·马勒(Rabbi Maller)认为西方与伊斯兰教的主要问题在于,它与犹太教和基督教的哲学不同。 虽然早期的两种亚伯拉罕宗教都摆脱了宗教伦理与政治的束缚,但伊斯兰教义却拒绝将宗教伦理与政治和日常的社会生活区分开。

    “伊斯兰教并不比中世纪的基督教或圣经犹太教更暴力。 但是在过去的两个世纪中,西方民主国家已经了解了政教分离原则对公民和平的重要性。 教堂和国家之间的广泛分离目前在欧洲和北美很普遍,这使宗教脱离了不同国家之间的政治和军事冲突,”拉比·艾伦·S·马勒(Rabbi Allen S. Maller)在28年2015月XNUMX日说。

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/

  10. annamaria 说:
    @Mark Green

    The US Congresswoman Barbara Comstock is an enthusiastic member of the Filth Column of Israel-firsters. She is another graduate of Cheney class of war profiteers and traitors to the US Constitution. Seems that the proceeds of lobbying for wars of aggression have been dear to Barbara Comstock heart, particularly because this is the only way she can make a living. – Similar to many other utterly incompetent and ignorant in the US government, the result of unnatural (anti-meritocratic) selection of the dishonest by plutocracy. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_did_we_buy_with_the_5_trillion_iraq_afghanistan_wars_cost_20160913
    “…the total US budgetary cost of the wars [in Iraq and Afghanistan] reaches \$4.79 trillion. … Interest costs for overseas contingency operations spending alone are projected to add more than \$1 trillion dollars to the national debt by 2023. By 2053 , interest costs will be at least \$7.9 trillion…”

  11. Noizpots 说:

    Thank you Mr. Giraldi for another thoughtful article. As an aside, some of the above commentators need to read and write more carefully. Alexander, please reread what Mark Green said (it seems you misconstrued him, or perhaps confused him with Clyde..?) And falcemartello, check spelling and grammar next time, please. Sorry to be a scold but such gaffs undermine your message and do a disservice to the author and fellow readers.

  12. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Clyde

    I have chosen my sides. I am pro-Israel and pro-Western civilization

    These two are not necessarily equal and similar.

  13. annamaria 说:
    @Clyde

    ” You can have your mass murdering ISIS killing and raping the Christians of Iraq and Syria….”

    Perhaps you are unaware that the “mass murdering ISIS” is a product of the US policies in the Middle East, which were spearheaded by Israel-firsters. The fanatical Islamism has been oozing from Saudi Arabia, the bosom buddy of both the US and Israel. The bloody Syrian tragedy has been going on because Israel wants Golan Heights by any means; the Israelis have been actively supporting ISIS (AL Qaeda) against sovereign Syria. http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/yaalon-syrian-rebels-keeping-druze-safe-in-exchange-for-israeli-aid/
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-idUSKCN11J12R
    Moreover, the Israel-firsters made the US support the terrorist jihadis in their fight against Syrian state. Before accusing the critics of Israel of being against Western civilization, read Yinon plan and learn about Samson option. http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    “You can have your mass murdering ISIS killing and raping the Christians of Iraq and Syria.” – You mean, the US/Israel supported “moderates” and other unicorns? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html
    There would have been no war in Syria – and no murders of Christians there – if not the Yinon plan and Syrian oil fields. As for the Iraq War, you cannot waltz away from the war-mongering of PNAC and AIPAK. The list of cheerleaders for illegal Iraq War reads like a roster of Israel-firsters: Wolfowitz, Kristol, the Kagans, Feith, Perle, Pletka, Ledeen, Libby …. Don’t even try to conflate Western civilization with Zionism; the latter is a supremacist development on a par with nazism. Take a look at the deeds of your beloved Kagans’ family in Ukraine; the Zionists have been very active in arranging a war between Christians in Eastern Europe. Very civilizational.

  14. Durruti 说:

    Thanks: Philip Giraldi

    for all the Truth.

    看看图片。 All those bought political Prostitutes, all those Traitors, beaming delightedly at their subservience to the Face of Evil, the Face of Ethnic Cleansing, the smiling face of enslavement of the peoples of the planet, the face of utter cynicism, the servant of the Rothschilds, the peddler of a Hollywood Holocaust and the face of many ongoing holocausts daily committed (Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Vietnam, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, WW I & II, and more Holocausts to come.

    看看图片。 Identify all the smiling whores lined up with their pimp.

    在美国, we Patriots must Restore our Republic! We must right the world!

    We have nothing to lose but our chains,而我们的 自由派 to regain.

    Durruti defended the Spanish Republic! We must restore ours, along with our Honor!

    It is an honor to write here.

  15. timamac 说:

    So many other important topics and issues to write about, instead another story about “evil” Israel.

    • 回复: @Chris Mallory
    , @richard vajs
  16. @Clyde

    I have chosen my sides. I am pro-Israel and pro-Western civilization.

    Civilization? What’s yer definition of “civilization?”

    Here’s a collection of thoughts (one among many) as to what yer claiming to support.

    “ISRAELI DEMOCRACY is sliding downwards. Sliding slowly, comfortably, but unmistakably.”

    Uri Avnery, The Settlers’ Prussia

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1445000540/

  17. @Clyde

    伊斯兰法西斯主义者和犹太法西斯主义者都是反西方文明。 我选择将这两个群体从西方驱逐出境,让他们在中东的粪坑中相互斗争。

    • 回复: @TOM GILES
  18. @Clyde

    Close our borders and the Muslims are no threat to the West. Ending the Judeofascist threat will be harder.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  19. @timamac

    No, it is a story about how traitors in the US government sell our birthright to the Judeofascists, and the American people don’t even get a mess of pottage.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  20. annamaria 说:

    The US signed an agreement with Al Qaeda in Syria (在9 / 11上!), whereas Israel bombs Damask (along with Christians living there): http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/09/httpssouthfrontorgus-backed-moderates-reject-nationwide-ceasefire-officially.html#comments
    https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/05/06/syrian-christians-keep-the-faith-amid-horrors-of-war/

    Obama is giving away \$38亿 以色列。 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-idUSKCN11J12R https://www.rt.com/usa/359184-usa-israel-military-aid/

    And “… many Obama administration officials are pushing for the shipment of billions of dollars of lethal weapons to the post-Maidan government in Ukraine… both the Senate and House passed legislation calling for the United States to arm Ukraine, while Secretary of State Kerry, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter and U.S. Air Force General and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Philip Breedlove publicly advocated this policy.” http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-arms-insight-idUSKCN1050ZE https://theintercept.com/2016/08/19/nato-weapons-industry/

    Again, so civilizational.

    • 同意: Jacques Sheete
  21. nsa 说:

    Anyone curious as to why only jooies can occupy the fed reserve bank chairmanship? Can’t find a drunk irishman trained up in the modern science of joonomics? Is there a more disgusting blob of protoplasm than the human matzo ball, Yellen ……owner of tits and vagina so beyond criticism? How about #2 Fischer, former high priest of the Israeli central bank? Benanke…..Greenspan…..Volcker…..Burns…..all members of the tribe. Is it any wonder that the 1913 dollar is now worth three cents? Where did the missing 97 cents go? Think about it……..

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  22. Marcus 说:

    I can’t think of any “terror” activities Iran sponsors, unless the Buenos Aires synagogue attack was indeed linked to Hezbollah. The US’ Gulf Arab allies are far and away the driving force behind Muslim terror, they were the only countries in the world that recognized the Taliban (Iran aided in the removal of the Taliban). So Iran is fairly sane for a Muslim regime. Of course we shouldn’t be choosing between Salafists, Shia, and Israelis in the first place. BTW, Mrs. Comstock must have been a looker in her younger years, too bad she’s another yankee transplant (and obviously a Repugnican establishment dolt), wonder if she’s related to the famous Comstock.

  23. KSA 说:
    @Clyde

    You must be a jew. Israel is a sworn enemy of Western civilization. They’ve literally threatened to nuke European cities with their Samson Option. Israelis are currently helping the leftist governments of Europe bring in Muslims. Israelis in America also support Islamic migration to our country. Israel recently issued a report stating that fighting ISIS is a bad idea (for their interests). Since Israel, America, and Saudi Arabia all oppose Assad, it’s pretty obvious that ISIS is an America/Israeli/Saudi asset.

    Jews are not White. Jews are not Westerners. Jews despise White people and Western civilization. This is proven literally every day in every White country when Zionist Jews demand multiculturalism for us but not for their Israel. Jews are semitic Middle Easterners. They have always been allies of Muslims against Europe, from the time of the Moors til today. Jews are the most vicious, bloodthirsty enemy of White people because they themselves are no Whiter than their Arab and Turkish allies.

    Jews are only anti-Muslim when it comes to their Israel. In the West, jews instinctively side with their semitic cousins against Europeans. It has never been otherwise. The conflict is racial and civilization. Jews and Muslims are the same people with minor squabbles. They are both the enemies of the White man.

    • 回复: @Clyde
    , @anonymous
  24. Clyde 说:
    @Chris Mallory

    Close our borders and the Muslims are no threat to the West. Ending the Judeofascist threat will be harder.

    Tell us about those Judeo mind rays that got you dancing around like a marionette.

    • 回复: @annamaria
    , @Chris Mallory
  25. @Clyde

    Oy vey goy.

    Are you serious? I’m on the side or America. Which means not caring for, or helping Israel. They would be nothing without us.

    And if you think Trump will pull out of the ME you’re delusional. He will be a warhawk.

  26. Clyde 说:
    @KSA

    At least you are honest. You don’t just hate the Zionist Jews. You hate all Jews and they are the source of all your problems. They have their mind ray machines cooking your brain until it bubbles over.

    Israelis are currently helping the leftist governments of Europe bring in Muslims. Israelis in America also support Islamic migration to our country.

    A bunch o bull. There are not enough powerful Israelis in the USA or Europe to influence immigration politics. Angela Merkel let in a million Muslims migrants last year and no Jews told her to do this. Haim Saban has some pull in the Democrat party and this it. And he has nothing to do with Muslim immigration to America.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Taco
    , @Ace
  27. @Chris Mallory

    o/t, just musing, maybe related to “birthright” —

    When Moses came down from the mountain w/ the tablets; saw the people had built a golden calf & were worshiping it; got mad, smashed the tablets then delegated the Levites to kill 3,000 of their fellow Jews who were gold calf worshipers, —( but more importantly, if you read the whole story — who wanted to return to Egypt & assimilate there rather than kill Canaanites etc & conquer Jericho) -

    who got the gold?

  28. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @KSA

    whaddya think, K S A and Chris Mallory —

    Does Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs div. of hasbara assign trolls in rotation, i.e. Clyde’s shift is on duty just now; or by topic or author/target, i.e. Clyde is assigned to handle Giraldi?

  29. annamaria 说:
    @Clyde

    Here is a monument to the US/Israel-firsters policies in Syria:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/syria-war-death-toll-now-more-300-000-103416137.html

    What else could you expect from a tribe that teaches young children to celebrate Purim – the mass murder of the natives of a generous host country.

  30. Marcus 说:
    @Clyde

    Not technically Israeli (or does he have dual citizenship?) but Sheldon Adelson and a lot of other Israel-backers tend to be a pro-immigration influence in the GOP.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  31. Taco 说:
    @Clyde

    There are not enough powerful Israelis in the USA or Europe to influence immigration politics.

    This where your trolling went from mediocre to terrible. A good troll will leave a lot of doubt in readers’ minds about whether he actually believes what he is writing. You have to wait a lot longer before you start spouting patent nonsense. A decent effort though.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  32. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @nsa

    The first part of your comment is historically true. Jews have dominated the Fed. But you lose credibility with the last few lines. A dollar today may not literally have the purchasing power of one in 1913, but a person’s income today affords him a lifestyle that only a king could have dreamed of in 1913. As long as we become more productive as a whole, a modest amount of inflation is offset by both gains in population and the need to expand the money supply to enable consumers to buy the new products created by our increased productivity.

    If there were no debt in our economy, then what you say would be true or at least plausible. But deflation–which is what you advocate–really harms debtors, and, since we’re all debtors, your scenario just won’t wash. Your scenario makes the Rich i.e. the creditors, richer because the debt they own is being serviced by more valuable money than that under which the debt was contracted.

    If we lived in a cash on the barrel economy, then what you say would be true. But massive investment in gigantic factories, dams etc. rule that out. Debt is integral to a modern manufacturing economy–and we’re better off for it. A cash-bound economy is a backwards economy.

    • 回复: @alexander
    , @nsa
    , @Wally
  33. @Clyde

    Who said anything about mind rays. You must have gotten a hold of some bad Gefilte fish because you are delusional. But maybe you should talk about AIPAC, AIEF, dual citizens, or the Federal Reserve.

  34. @Clyde

    “gentile controlling mind rays” ? Not necessary at all …

    • 回复: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Anon
  35. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Bardon Kaldian

    In Family Guy it was a roller coaster.

  36. alexander 说:
    @Anonymous

    This is an excellent point, Anonymous.

    And well stated too.

    The amount of inflation since 1913 is not an indicator of nefarious , sinister, and “crippling” back room policy making by the federal reserve.

    从来没有。

    BUT the call to a “decade and a half” of perpetual “war-making” (by the Neocons) based on fraudulent rationales, IS deeply sinister. Moreover, these nefarious policies have “extracted” trillions of dollars from our economy beyond what we could afford to spend.

    And since these wars were wholly of CHOICE, and Americans were deceived into war making in the first place, the 20 trillion dollar price tag is an abomination.

    I am one who believes that generating humongous DEBT by overspending on things wholly outside the parameters of our constitutional mandates is “poison” for our country.

    Starting wars of aggression is not only OUTSIDE our mandates as a Nation , its a heinous criminal act.

    There are going to be big problems in the future, when we realize we cannot float this level of debt in perpetuity, somebody is going to have to pay for these wars, sometime.

    If the Neocons were all required BY LAW to pay UP FRONT from their own pockets, for the wars THEY chose to start, I do not believe a single shot would ever have been fired.

    I certainly don’t want the burden of these war debts placed squarely on the shoulders of our great grand children …..especially when they had absolutely NO say in the matter of “starting them”.

    你呢 ?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  37. Alden 说:

    It’s not just Jews you know. It’s all those religious Protestants who are hysterically pro Israel because the bible told them so. Plus the fact that their preachers are paid well by AIPAC to preach the Old Testament and Israel uber alles.

  38. nickels 说:

    Creditors also win.

    There is no redemption in the rule of man.

    • 回复: @Anon
  39. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    do they serve roasted prick in a red tank at the Holocaust Bar & Grill?

  40. Svigor 说:

    Question for standardized tests:

    Which tired old dodge are Jews (et al) most fond of deploying?

    A. Where’s my Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy dividend check?
    B. Lulz mind control rays.
    C. They hate us because we’re wonderful, oh, and Hitler was Jewish/had one testicle/couldn’t paint better than Warhol.
    D. 以上所有。

  41. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @nickels

    thnx b to god we have alexander to explain US financial problems to us irredeemable mortals.

    don’t you agree?

  42. nsa 说:
    @Anonymous

    Nice try. You existence is preferable to that of Louis the 14th because Louie did not have a blender, iphone, or the porn channel? Oh, and a stable dollar or even deflation is actually good for those working for a living doing something useful. Inflationary joonomics is better only for the masses of botched freeloaders inhabiting the modern welfare-warfare state…..and their jooie masters.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  43. De Gaulle 说:

    When I wrote about types of Jews some days ago, a friend pointed out that I had missed a meta-Jew, the Sayanim. That makes a more complex analysis due to the upper stratum of persons and affiliations to cross beliefs and borders.

    Israeli population is but a starting point for influence in the broader world. US, Britain, France and other countries have significant Jewish populations. Some among the citizens keep their head down and live in local areas and others lift it up to look at world news. If that is a Fifth Column or an involved person changes by perspective.

  44. @Clyde

    Islam is the world’s most successful imperialism. It has a fourteen century track record of barbaric conquest and annihilation.

    So the US is only about 250 years behind?

    I wonder how the people of India feel about Brit imperialism. Tens of millions died due to their malfeasance.

    What about King Leopold’s Congo Free State? Talk about annihilation and a few other hideous crimes against humanity!

    Don’t even get me started on Marxists…few of which were Muslim.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Clyde
  45. wikipedia says Comstock will be challenged by LuAnn Bennett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuAnn_Bennett

    https://fcnp.com/2015/12/10/luann-bennett-announces-run-for-congress-in-virginias-10th-district/

    Will Bennett bring change you can believe in to Virginia 10th District, or another Comstock load?

    Bennett was married to Jim Moran for half-a-dozen years. Moran tangled with the Jewish lobby on a few occasions.

    “Democratic strategist Ellen Qualls said the 10th District is “essentially the swingiest district in the swingiest state.” ”
    Feel the power, Phil.

  46. Sean 说:

    That is why as PM of Israel Ehud Barak offered so much (far more than any subsequent Israeli leader has) at Camp David and in his abortive subsequent attempt at a final settlement, because he thought things could only get better for Israel, eh? And that is why the Palestinians turned Barak down, because they thought things could only get worse for the Arabs in the West Bank and the rest of Israel, obviously.

    No, the long term fate of an Israel with Arabs in the West Bank being denied full rights is going to be much as apartheid South Africa’s was. The established US policy is Israel will have to give up the West Bank, which will bring about its ellipse as a Jewish nation

  47. Alden 说:
    @Rehmat

    Excellent! America is indeed an Israeli colony. And American Jews are not even grateful as they constantly file lawsuits designed to destroy American Whites.

    In case anyone wonders I’ll start with school desegregation, affirmative action and court decisions that encouraged, aided and abbeted rampant crime and the destruction of our greatest cities with the triple whammy:

    1 dangerous schools courtesy of Jewish ACLU

    2 affirmative action dreck civil service

    3 rampant crime by blacks and other victims of White privileges such as the White privileged waitress or clerk who just wants to take the bus home after her shift ends at 11/pm without being robbed. Raped or murdered by the black storm troopers of liberal Jews.

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  48. Sooner or later, every nation which hosts Jews faces the same dilemma; how to get rid of them?

    We are witness, in real time, to the same process which has unfolded at least two hundred times before. Jews move someplace new, make themselves hated all over again for the same reasons that everyone else before hated them. They are cast out (or exterminated depending on how badly they behaved this time) and they move someplace else and start the process anew.

    One would think that a people so allegedly clever would learn something from this but they won’t.

    I give Jews another 50 -100 years in North America.

    • 回复: @Alden
  49. Alden 说:
    @falcemartello

    Russia never invaded anyone? Russia invaded east and south for a thousand years. How do you think Russia got to Odessa and the Black Sea? Russia went so Far East it now has a border with China.
    I get it, you think Russia is always right and Poland, Estonia, Uzbekestan, Khazastan and the rest of Central Asia are and were always wrong but why drag your Russian chavaunism into every thread?
    The article is about Israel rule over American foreign policy. Russia is irrevelant.

    Anyway, Israel was founded by Russisn Marxist Jews so the 2 countries have a lot in common

    • 回复: @falcemartello
    , @annamaria
  50. Druid 说:
    @Clyde

    Moslems don’t worship Mohammad . Your ignorance is widespread, unfortunately, especially on faux news

    • 回复: @Clyde
  51. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    King Leopold’s atrocities were British propaganda. Motive was simple, Britain wanted Congo. So Britain created the atrocities. 20 years later during WW1 Britain created stories of German atrocities to con America into war.

    Britain is a master at propaganda and the Belgian Congo atrocities were nothing but propaganda so the British could justify going in and taking over Congo itself.

    • 回复: @Jacques Sheete
  52. Ace 说:
    @Clyde

    David Gelbaum alone gave \$100 million – and \$20 million annually thereafter – to the Sierra Club 状况良好 that if the Club ever “came out anti-immigration” it would receive no more money from him.

    Ostensibly it was based on his fond memories of his immigrant grandparents and his wanting to ensure that no one else should be denied the opportunity to emmigrate here, iirc, America to remain the sponge to the entire world to clean up every social and economic problem known to man. A dumping ground as it were.

    Moreover, Gelbaum’s dear grandparents were illegals, iirc. They were refused entry in New York for health reasons and had to sneak in from Canada. This is the option Gelbaum wants to preserve, assuming I’ve provided an accurate account. Or even if not. Open borders is not about legal immigration. I can’t document that (illegal entry, health rejection) now but let’s leave it that Gelbaum simply doesn’t want to “dishonor the memory” of his grandparents. For that, whites should not object to 47 million immigrants.

    The ADL and BB caught the next rocket sled to Arizona when it enacted legislation to permit cops to enquire as to immigration status in making traffic stops. Organized US Jewry to the open-borders ramparts!

    That’s an eminently fair assessment, I think. Jews for illegal third-world immigration! With some honorable exceptions, I don’t see any visible objection on the part of patriotic Jews. Nothing like the strong, unabashed support for the Jewish ethnostate.

    My prediction is that rather than see such objections the response to arguments about Jewish support for open borders will be the charge of “anti-Semite.” (Non-Jewish morons like the Catholic and Mormon churches also advocate open borders but that’s another story.)

    Adelson’s no. 1 issue is Israel and he is also an open borders kinda guy. He donates millions to Republicans, as Saban and Singer do to the Dems. The latter two are also open borders guys. You’ve heard of the Adelson primary which has amazing implications for American politics in general and open borders in particular. Newt, financed by Adelson, was without question in Adelson’s pocket.

    No, these are not Israelis but surely you don’t maintain that Israeli policies are not in lock step with American Jewish ones.

    The MacDonald thesis of diluting white majorities is a bizarre one (because what he describes is bizarre) but I’ve yet to see one that better explains the yet-more-lunatic Jewish support for open borders. Lunatic, of course, for the notion that Jews will be safer and fare better in a nation that bears no resemblance to the one that welcomed them with open arms and basically enabled them to prosper and run the country. (Cue video of standing ovations in Congress for Israeli leader.)

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Clyde
  53. Clyde 说:
    @Marcus

    Not technically Israeli (or does he have dual citizenship?) but Sheldon Adelson and a lot of other Israel-backers tend to be a pro-immigration influence in the GOP.

    Not all US Jews are fervent backers of Israel. Many are atheistic and non-committal when it comes to Israel. The number of dual citizenship Mexicans and Central Americans far outnumbers the US Jews who are also Israeli citizens.
    Are US Jews mostly Democrat and mostly for loose and stupid immigration policies such as what Obama has been doing? The answer is yes. But it is just plain dumb to claim that Israelis living here (USA) are influencing US immigration policies.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Chris Mallory
  54. Clyde 说:
    @Druid

    Moslems don’t worship Mohammad . Your ignorance is widespread, unfortunately, especially on faux news.

    WRONG! The net of their religious practices amounts to Muhammad worship and I am not the first to claim this. Not by a long shot. And Fox New has nothing to do with it. Calling them faux news is what infantile leftists do.

  55. Clyde 说:
    @Taco

    Name the powerful Israelis in Europe and America. Who do you have in mind? Who are these Israelis who are calling the shots? I really want to know…..lol…. You are tripping.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Jacques Sheete
  56. Clyde 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Why are you deflecting on the fourteen centuries of barbaric Islamic imperialism, genocide and ethnic/religious cleansing? Why do you promote yourself as a defender of the Islamic faith? I don’t get it. I am assuming you are not Muslim, but I could be wrong.
    What is your attraction to Islam?

    • 回复: @Jacques Sheete
  57. Marcus 说:
    @Clyde

    Pro-Israel and Israel-connected Jews punch above their weight. Also look at instances of both Israeli nationals and pro-Israel Jews spying in the US for Israel. You are right that Israel isn’t the top issue for most American Jews and many of them are would agree that Israel is an immoral colonial state, so you can’t really accuse those of hypocrisy.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  58. MMM 说:

    “Unfortunately, whoever is elected, the pilgrimages to worship at the feet of Benjamin Netanyahu will continue, bringing to mind Patrick Buchanan’s apt description of a shameless and corrupted congress as “Israeli occupied territory.” Indeed.”

    If Trump wins and doesn’t cave in it can also, possibly, be a turning point… the zionists have pitted themselves against him… Trump is not hell-bent on destroying whatever is in the way of zionist hegemony… he is not putting “Israel” first.

  59. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @alexander

    I agree with every point you make.

  60. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @nsa

    Ever more efficient manufacturing techniques and line organization, scientific discoveries, division of labor and investment capital work together in a virtuous cycle that produces more goods and services this year than were produced last year. This frees some workers to make new, different, interesting and novel stuff. We all gain.

    Today we have all benefitted from medical advances that have reduced infant mortality and extended our life expectancy. While your teeth can be filled or extracted with the aid of anesthetic, a worker in the past was not so fortunate.

    “Porn channel”? That’s your example of one of the benefits of modern times?

    Both Mike Whitney and Michael Hudson on this site write informative essays dealing with the two economies in America today–the financial one and the productive one. You seem to be conflating the two. No one denies that Wall Street is peopled by a bunch of parasitic sociopaths whose criminal antics threaten the real economy–except them.

  61. Wally 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous

    And another creepy Zionist on the US Supreme court. That makes it four.

    一切只是巧合。

    [更多]

    谁要求大规模移民到白人外邦国家,却阻止非犹太人移民到“那个肮脏的小国”?
    谁管理美联储?
    谁经营华尔街?
    谁拥有美国国会?
    谁拥有白宫?
    谁强迫接受虚拟的和不可能的“ 6M和毒气室”?
    谁负责媒体/娱乐?
    谁经营音乐业务?
    谁主宰“学术界”?
    为什么AIPAC是最强大,最占主导地位的游说团体,它定期编写国会法案和决议案文?
    谁想要通过“仇恨言论”鸭嘴来审查言论自由?
    是谁要求我们为美军的利益流血?
    谁是地球上最大的真正种族主义者?

  62. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    I don’t know why anybody should buy this claim. In the age of empires, Muslims certainly had a fairly good run and took credit for rolling up the Persian and Byzantine empires. The Mongols rolled up most of the Eastern Muslim lands – then kind of switched sides and went ‘Muzzie’ (at least a few of the Khanates). For much of this time, the Europeans were militarily inferior and too busy beating the crap out of each other – but that practice helped because…once the Europeans turned their franchise around (16th century for the Latins and 17th century for the East) – woah brother – they pretty much had everyone else on the run (including the various Muslim kingdoms) and brought them to heel within remarkably short order. Napolean decimated Ottoman garrisons – while outnumbered in the Levant and Egypt – again and again. I believe his only defeats came when former French officers were commanding on the Ottoman side or when the British lent support.

    Though the British were not able to hold on to it for long, they hold the record for the most territory under their empire (“Rule, rule – Britannia!”) and if all the European empires are taken in under one flag as ‘Western Christendom’ (as people – not mentioning any names – like to lump in Sokoto, Demak, Ghaznavids, Almoravids. Mughals under ‘one Islamic flag’) – nothing comes close since the last 5 centuries. Here, this dynamic map is really well put together:

    Sorry if I don’t jump at the bogeyman of rampant “Islamic Imperialism” which has been a sputtering mess or a bad joke for the last few centuries – what was the last successful battle against a European army – Gallipoli? And that was mostly engineered by a German general. Much of the recent Muslim military history has involved defensive battles just trying to keep things together.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Clyde
  63. Clyde 说:
    @Marcus

    You are right that Israel isn’t the top issue for most American Jews and many of them are would agree that Israel is an immoral colonial state.

    No you are projecting with that lefty/commie BS about immoral colonial states. But Israel is not on their minds very often. So if Obama whacks Israel around, disses Netanyahu, enables and pays billions to Iran to get all nuked up, its not on their radar.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Chris Mallory
  64. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    If you don’t think that Islam is most barbaric, most successful and most enduring imperialism then you tell me what is. A fourteen century track record of imperialism, conquering-decimating-converting the Christian Middle East in the 7th century AD, forced religious conversions everywhere Islam conquered, mass killings in imperialistic wars for lebensraum beats all others. You can also add Islam’s treatment of dhimmi peoples.
    Tell me what imperialism has been more successful than this.

    • 回复: @Talha
  65. @Alden

    英国是宣传大师

    虽然这当然是正确的,但接下来需要一些文档。

    …and the Belgian Congo atrocities were nothing but propaganda so the British could justify going in and taking over Congo itself.

    无论如何,为什么比利时人决定接管它并称其为比利时刚果而不是英国人?

    关于背信弃义和背信弃义的阿尔比恩的旁注,我想知道有多少人知道英国人在 1950 年代(包括 XNUMX 年代)在肯尼亚经营着可怕的、恐怖的集中营。

    这是一个很好的阅读:

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  66. Alden 说:
    @Ace

    There are free Jewish publications scattered all over my neighborhood I read them regularly. A continuing theme for decades is that Jees do best in splintered multi ethnic multi religious multi cultural societies. The Turkish empire is always held up as the ideal place for Jews to flourish. We all know that the Turkiah empire ruled hundreds of different nations and ethnic groups

    Read The Forward, Los Angeles and your local Jewish Journal, the ADL &AJC publications. They constantly push for more diversity and more difference so the Jews can rule over squabbling goyim.

    • 回复: @Ace
  67. Marcus 说:
    @Clyde

    There are some strongly anti-Israel Jews: N Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, the Mondoweiss people, etc. Most don’t feel strongly about it or are somewhere between them and Adelson. I don’t think Obama has been any harder on Israel than other presidents, see Reagan pushing through the Saudi AWACS deal over Israeli objections.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  68. So if Obama whacks Israel around, disses Netanyahu, enables and pays billions to Iran to get all nuked up, its not on their radar.

    Are we suggesting that Iran steal the material and technology for their nukes instead?

    Anyway, here are a few pertinent and gentle reminders about how the game’s been played. Rmember the NUMEC scandal?

    “There is … evidence that some fissionable material available for Israel’s weapons development was illegally obtained from the United States about 1965,” Mr. Kissinger noted in his long memorandum.

    “This is one program on which the Israelis have persistently deceived us,”
    Mr. Kissinger said, “and may even have stolen from us.”

    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4817

    Rupert Murdoch, the FOX guy is clean as a whistle, right? We can trust him right?

    看来,Arnon Milchan 不仅是好莱坞的大制片人,而且还与以色列进行了核触发交易,并以 200 亿美元的价格与默多克达成了交易。

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/26/the-hollywood-big-shot-and-israels-nuclear-triggers/

    Meanwhile…Some blame Muslims…

    “以色列新闻界从联邦调查局的文件中得知格兰特·史密斯的启示,即本杰明·内塔尼亚胡是以色列走私集团的一部分,该组织在80年代和90年代激起了美国的核触发。”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel.html

    • 回复: @Alden
  69. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    Tell me what imperialism has been more successful than this.

    Depends on your metric of imperialism. I already told you mine, the Brits win, hands down – with the Mongols a close second.

    A fourteen century track record of imperialism

    Please, let’s get factual. Muslims were on the defensive for the past few centuries, so let’s give you about 12 centuries to make it accurate.

    conquering-decimating-converting the Christian Middle East in the 7th century AD

    Conquering and decimating is quite correct. The early Muslims had a way with the sword and the spear. They weren’t all that great with siege warfare, but why would they need to be when the enemy foolishly met them in pitched battles on the plains. Converting was of course supposed to be part of the whole endeavor, why do you think there were policies that encouraged conversion? But most of the Christians stayed firm on their faith until a critical juncture, they made a switch over to the Arabic language – this made a huge difference.
    “The larger context was an increase of tension and isolation among Christian communities that, having adopted the Arabic language among themselves, and having come to realize that the rule of Islam was definitively there to stay, found their own numbers decreasing through peaceful conversion to Islam.” – Michael Bonner – Jihad in Islamic History
    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8280.html

    “现在,阿拔斯王朝哈里发的政策是通过承诺全面参与政治和文化生活来促进皈依伊斯兰教,再加上从 jizyah 中解脱的额外激励,以及宗教和社会限制,使其对非穆斯林越来越有吸引力放弃他们祖传的宗教。”
    “Yet, although Arabic developed dramatically as a language of literature and commerce, it retained its character as a sacred language heavily laden with Quranic presuppositions and definitions.”
    “The problem was thrown into relief when Christians tried to articulate ideas in terminology already dominated by Qur’anic images. For example, the notion of tawhid (monotheistic belief) had essentially been defined by the Qur’an to exclude multiplicity in God, as contrasted to shirk (associating others with God). This made it difficult for Christians to explain and defend the doctrine of the Trinity in Arabic as consistent with monotheism without being accused of polytheism, and consquently idolatry.” – Defending the “People of Truth” in the Early Islamic Period : The Christian Apologies of Abu Ra’itah

    forced religious conversions everywhere Islam conquered

    BS – cite your sources for this. Every single academic work I have ever come across acknowledges both that instances of forced conversion did happen (Jews under Almohads in Spain, Devshirme of Christian children by Ottomans, etc.) and that these were abnormal events.

    You can also add Islam’s treatment of dhimmi peoples.

    Which was fairly reasonable in certain instances and fairly brutal in others – depending on who was in charge and how rules were interpreted. Here is a pretty balanced account:
    “This article will show that, for centuries, perhaps a millennium, during which Islam dominated the area, conflict between Jews, Christians and Muslims was the exception, not the norm…”
    “Positions in government administration and the economy were open to dhimmis. In fact, from the Arab conquest to the beginning of the eighth century, the language of the administration remained Persian in Iraq and Greek in Egypt and Syria. Only dhimmis, especially Christians, had the linguistic and administrative skills to keep the government functioning…Although tolerated, protected, and many of them well-to-do, Christians and Jews were not without complaints under Islamic rule. They lived under certain legal and social disabilities. They were considered subjects, not citizens on an equal level with Muslims. Muslims were first class, dhimmis second.”
    http://www.syriacstudies.com/2013/07/09/christians-and-jews-under-islam-najib-saliba-phd/ (纳吉·萨利巴教授–黎巴嫩东正教徒)

    Just because you (or your mentor, Robert Spencer, a great boon to his Zionist masters [that help fund him]) only look at the worst instances of history to buttress your viewpoints doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Clyde
  70. Alden 说:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I read Jewish publications all the time. The Jews just live China right now. They constantly extoll and praise everything Chinese. A bid deal is made of what Chibese and Jews have in common, hard work, entrepreneurs rather than workers, high value on education and strong family values. Intermarriage between Jewish men and Chinese women is highly regarded.
    There were Persian Jewish traders in the Chinese pacific ports going back at least 2,500 years. That is proof that yes we Jews can go to China and prosper
    About 125 years ago Jews began the big jump from Russia to S.Africa and America. By 1960 they were running both countries, that’s only about 80 years after arrival. They did the same thing in both countries, organized the blacks against the ruling Whites. Even Oppenheim now brags that “we were behind the ANC all the time”
    All Americans know how the Jews led the blacks and other minorities and immigrants against the Whites.

    But the Han have never submitted to rule by one of their minorities. So 50 to 100 years from now when the children of Jewish immigrants to China try to stir up some minority ethnic group against the Han I wonder how it will come out.

    One thing I have noticed. Jews always do best in Christian countries due to the fact that Christians use the Old Testament and Christianity began as a Jewish heresy.

    But China is not Christian and they are far more chauvinistic and racist than any ethnic group Jews have ever run into

    • 回复: @Frankie P
  71. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Belgium took over the Congo and began extracting gold, ivory, rubber and other things. Congo is basically a treasure house of natural resources.

    Belgium profited. Britian wanted in. Despite the efforts of the British to create an international army of moralistic do gooders to invade Cobgo, drive out the Belgians and give it to Britian to save the locals, Belgium managed to hold on to it.

    The British picked on a Belgian colony because Belgium is a small country with a small army. Britian didn’t pick on any French colonies because France and the U.K. Are pretty evenly matched in terms of armies and population. Remember a big reason Britian fomented WW1 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on Africa and had established a colony just northwest of S Africa, Namambia???

    And yes I do know that the British established concentration camps in Kenya during the 1950s. Did you know that the Mau mau kikuyu tribe spent the 1950s killing off the other tribes so the kikuyu would rule when the British left?

    • 回复: @Jacques Sheete
  72. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    In 1947 Jewish American army pilots flew American army planes to Czechoslovakia then under soviet occupation and turned over all the latest American military radar equipment to the communist Czechoslovakian army.

    The soviets reverse engineered the equipment. Patton had a few things to say about the Jewish American military men swarming all over Europe after the end of WW2

    And they are all over the state department and the pentagon. Israeli nationals who are officers in the Israeli army have passed into the most secure areas of the Oentagon where they are free to pick up anything they want.

    • 回复: @Jacques Sheete
  73. @Clyde

    The number of dual citizenship Mexicans and Central Americans far outnumbers the US Jews who are also Israeli citizens.

    Name the powerful Mexicans and Central Americans who control the Federal Reserve, the US defense apparatus, the US intelligence agencies, and who direct that the state of Mexico gets 38 billion tax dollars over the next 10 years. Also, name the number of dual Mexican citizens in the US Senate and the US House. I will wait.

  74. @Clyde

    Obama is the best friend Israel ever had, other than every other US president for the past 50 years. He has Bibi’s hand up his backside making his lips move when he talks.

  75. Rehmat 说:
    @Alden

    Blacks rapping and murdering Jews!!

    Where you learned that when in fact it’s Zionist Jews who are founding rapping and murdering Blacks….

    On December 11, 2015, Daniel Holtzclaw, 29, ex-Oklahoma City police officer, was found guilty of rape, sexual battery and forcible oral sodomy. He was arrested last year and subsequently fired from the police force. Holtzclaw faced a total of 36 counts, of which a jury convicted him of 18.

    How antisemitic, eh! Watch the sobbing filth in court (here) as the verdict was read aloud.

    Holtzclaw’s all 13 victims were Black women ranging from 27 to 50 year of age.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/14/us-jew-cop-found-guilty-of-raping-13-black-women/

  76. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    I love your mental gymnastics–I am not being facetious or sarcastic, I do enjoy it because it is entertaining. I can imagine (but if my memory doesn’t fail me–we already have been through this one) then, that Robert Reilly and Islamic scholars he worked with are also Robert Spencer’s stooges, if to follow your logic? I wonder if Abdurrahman Wahid was also;-) You seem to ignore a reality that Islam and Sharia are not compatible with Christendom on a fundamental level, period. Islam has nothing–zilch–to offer to civilization because it is a complete civilizational failure. Mind you, I am not talking about Eurowussies and American metrosexuals who lost their masculinity long ago and would do anything which can take them out of their pseudo-intellectual misery or would simply be coerced by Muslim mob since they are cowards and simply lack necessary skills. But this is not how it ends. I would suggest you study the dynamics of such events as in Kondopoga or Sagra, you may change your narrative after that. Islam is not welcome nor is it going to be “integrated” on its own terms. It may “win” by destroying (which is Islam’s MO) degenerate Western Europe but Eastern One and US are a bit different propositions.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Marcus
  77. @Clyde

    为什么,为什么,为什么?

    Why so many questions in the form of straw men?

    Here’s a question for you…

    Why so much hatred for another Abrahamic religion, when the real problems emanate from the corrupt leadership in government and business as always and has little or nothing to do with religion or the lack thereof?

    这是另一个

    Do you deny that there are Israelis and sympathizers who are calling the shots? Why? How long a list do you want?

  78. neutral 说:
    @Clyde

    I have chosen my sides and its neither jews or muslims, I fail to see how either benefit me.

  79. @Alden

    真是的

    You provided a bunch of info that I already knew, but none of it substantiates your claim that Leopold’s atrocities were a myth of Brit propaganda.

    You do get an A+ for this part of your comment tho…

    Remember a big reason Britian (sic) fomented WW1 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on Africa and had established a colony just northwest of S Africa, Namambia???

    The Brits were also happy to foment discord between France and Germany over North Africa (specifically Morocco) as well.

    Anyway, remember a big reason Britain fomented WW2 with Germany was because Germany was moving in on the Middle East including Palestine and Iran???

    • 回复: @Alden
  80. @Alden

    And they are all over the state department and the pentagon. Israeli nationals who are officers in the Israeli army have passed into the most secure areas of the Oentagon where they are free to pick up anything they want.

    Have you read about the transfer of nuclear technology to Stalin and his goons during ww2? I have little doubt who facilitated that.

    https://archive.org/details/FromMajorJordansDiaries-TheTruthAboutTheUsAndUssr

    Also, this is probably what you’re referring to.

    “My fellow escort and I chatted on the way back to our office about how the [Israeli] generals knew where they were going [in the Pentagon] and how [they] didn’t have to sign in. I felt a bit dirtied by the whole thing.”

    -Col Karen Kwiatkowski

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/open-door-policy/
    http://www.salon.com/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  81. @Alden

    Alden when has Russia invaded any country since the USSR has dissolved ? So if u want to go and look at all the history. Italian fascist invaded africa . My point is related to post modern era period .PUNTO E BASTA

  82. annamaria 说:
    @Alden

    “Russia invaded east and south for a thousand years.. Russia went so Far East it now has a border with China..”

    Could you name a state in Siberia that Russia has fought and subjugated? Have you heard about Poland’ wars against Russia before Russia became a state to beckon with? When the state of Estonia was formed?
    The article is about modern world. Could you please name a single Russian invasion during the last 25 years? Come on… And what does make you believe that Russians and Jews have a lot in common? If that were so than the “Two Hundred Years Together” by Alexander Solzhenitsyn would not be sequestered by the US/UK publishers – all of them! Though it is true that Russians should have a deeper understanding of Israelis’ mentality than people of other nations, thanks to the Soviet experiment.

    Moreover, Israel wants the dismemberment of Syria in order to grab the Golan Heights (see Yinon plan for Erez Israel), whereas RF wants to protect her southern borders from jihadis and thus prefers to have a stable and peaceful Syria. What is not clear about this state of affairs?

    Whatever your tried to tell the readers, you came in support for the Kagans’ policies in Ukraine as well as in support of NATO’ direct encroachment on the Russian borders.
    And how close is Ukraine to the US borders? Next door?

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
  83. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    You would lose a debate with Robert Spencer. The Mongols were real super killers/warriors but they did not last fourteen centuries. They lasted what? Three centuries? I give them great credit for administering good spankings to Baghdad (sacked!) and various Muslim cities in Iraq/Syria.
    The British Empire was fairly benign and lasted three centuries or so.

    So top rank Imperialist force still goes to Islam, going strong ever since Muhammad was the first Jihadist, fourteen centuries ago. I like the wacky nuked up Iranians whose real goal is make Jihad on the Sunni Middle East to convert it into Shiite. We will see lots of bloodletting for sure in this wacked out Jihad effort. The early stages which we see fought in the ISIS wars against Assad and Assad regime vs the Muslim Brotherhood. Lots of bad blood there ever since old man Assad leveled Hama Syria 1982, killing 20,000 or so Muslim Brotherhood and their families

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Talha
  84. Art 说:
    @Clyde

    I see our Little Jew Clyde – the Zionist zombie – is typing his little fingers off today.

    He has all the Big Jew hasbara talking points down pat. He learned them by the age of ten.

    His parents and the Big Jew culture started terrorizing him at a young age – telling him that all the Gentiles hated him and wanted to kill him. This is traumatic to young minds. That is nothing less than child abuse. As a result, he is a Zionist zombie – with NO moral compunction, he will mindlessly lie and lie and lie for his tribe.

    Zionism (a manifestation of Jew culture) is truly a cruel tribal ideology.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  85. @Clyde

    Who are these Israelis who are calling the shots?

    You’re kidding, right? Or maybe this doesn’t meet your standards…

    The Obama Administration sent Secretary of State John Kerry to Israel to insist on a cease fire in Gaza. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responds not only with a no but with a “hell no” and Kerry backed down, but Bibi didn’t let it end there,telling Kerry and US Ambassador Daniel Shapiro “don’t ever second guess me again.”

    https://www.unz.com/article/americans-should-be-ashamed/

  86. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    Thanks for your opinion Clyde, compounding on your other opinions.

    Why the hell would I debate with Robert Spencer – that dude is as dogmatic as I am about Islam – I’m just honest about my position. And I’m not paid by Zionist fund raisers – technically that shouldn’t count, but of course it does.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Clyde
  87. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Art

    Well, is that any different when it comes to Palestinian children who stab Israeli (citizens or occupiers, it has no relevance here) or at least try to?

    Like a fine intellectual wrote, the youth is “planted, raised, pruned, cropped”.

    Groups of humans that have had it harder than Western gentiles are still nearer to the original tribal condition.
    Western gentiles are the laxer of all, a sign that they had it the less hard than all in the last centuries, probably.

    Before you pedestal them, you may want to ask yourself what they were doing, wrangling against every other like street thugs since the mid-19th to the end of WWII, Germany hating the Brits and France, France hating the Brits and Germany, Spain hating France and Britain, Britain and France seeing Italy and Spain like their pet doormats.

    • 回复: @Art
  88. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    You really need tell us Israel “won”, Giraldi?
    When has it not won?
    Israel and victory are synonyms.

    All the world knows it, and how 骄傲 these winners of winners are.
    (Maybe it helps “I am proud” is their most used clause, who knows.)

  89. you all have got to admit how good the jews and aipac are at making our supposed elites into mere servants.

  90. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @falcemartello

    Russia has never invaded any country

    I didn’t go on reading after that, and wondered how many would.

  91. 一些评论:

    * It should be obvious that Israel views USA as a strategic foe, in the long run.

    * sure, live like a king but in debt to house of R. Seem to recall the next episode in this king’s life is a fast moving blade and head in a basket. More seriously, wage slavery goes hand in hand with the current economic regime.

    * Clyde: various commentators have answered you effectively. Regarding Islam and the prophet of Islam (SAWS), who was called the “unlettered prophet” and this has been taken to mean “illiterate” but it actually means The Prophet of the Unlettered Nations (in contrast to tribe of Jacob (AS) who got “lettered” — guided, as their semitic language makes clear) and that makes him (using Jewish terminology) The Goyim Prophet. You know, Jesus (AS) was very open about the fact that “I am only sent to the children of Israel”. “scraps from the table of the master” you have been getting, but unless you are capable of leaving everthing earthly possession (c.f. camel and needle) you will NOT enter into the Kingdom. So my advice to you is consider the fact that Muhammad (SAWS) said “I have been sent as a mercy” in context of your being outside the covenant that God made with Jacob (AS).

    * Anti-semitism is strictly a Western phenomena that is fundamentally rooted in the bifurcated power structures of Occident. Levant’s kings never had any need for “King’s Jews” since their intellectuals were not locked behind monestary walls and deeply committed to the rival power structure of the Church of Rome. Every single pogrom of Jews happened at the hand of “Whites”. Remember Clyde: never forgive never forget is the motto of your Israeli “allies”.

    • 回复: @Alden
  92. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    嘿思慕雪,

    You seem to ignore a reality that Islam and Sharia are not compatible with Christendom on a fundamental level, period.

    You seem to ignore that I never made that claim in any of my replies to Clyde, stay on point, bro. You also seem to ignore that Christendom of a few centuries ago is also not compatible with Christendom of today on a fundamental level.

    Robert Reilly and Islamic scholars he worked with are also Robert Spencer’s stooges

    Never said that. Robert Reilly makes fundamental mistakes on Islam in every article of his that I’ve read (what Islamic scholars is he working with??!!). And yes, he is also a boon to Zionists, that shouldn’t technically count – but of course it does.

    Here he is talking about the invention of the ‘Palestinians’:
    http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/why-invent-the-palestinians

    Abdurrahman Wahid made critical assessments of fundamental, systemic problems in the Muslim world. That is quite welcome criticism. Even some well-known Salafi scholars, like Sh. Yusuf Qaradawi has done the same:

    It’s called “tough love” and “truth hurts”. My teachers are constantly reminding us to look inward and fixing ourselves. It’s the false prophet that tells you everything is fine and inflates your ego.

    it is a complete civilizational failure

    From a materialist standpoint, quite so. Since when did I ever make the claim that I posit materialist progress as the benchmark of civilization? That is your benchmark, not mine.
    “By Allah, it is not poverty I fear for you, but rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – Reported in Bukhari

    coerced by Muslim mob

    I’ve called for Muslim mobs or ethnic Muslim criminal syndicates when exactly? I’m a Sufi, bro. Read through my posts – I state clearly as my teachers do; Muslims must obey the canon of the land and that it is their Islamic duty to do so. If they don’t like the rules here, they can leave – it’s that simple. If they want to act like a mob and threaten the well-being of other citizens, they should not be tolerated just as Muslims would not tolerate it in their lands. Kick them out – I’m not stopping you.

    Islam is not welcome

    你的意见。

    nor is it going to be “integrated” on its own terms.

    Why should it? The Eastern Europeans (Hapsburgs) and Russians (after Ivan brought the Tatar Khanates under his dominion) already provided a reasonable model for integration under their terms. It is basically a reverse-dhimmi model where the Christians are the recognized alpha group. That worked for quite a long time for Russia. The Hapsburgs had elite Muslim Bosniak divisions in their army that served with distinction (they were allowed to wear fez’s baby!):
    http://www.naval-military-press.com/emperor-s-bosniaks-the-bosnian-herzegovinian-troops-in-the-k.-u.-k.-army.html

    Western Christendom never really got a good model off the ground because they reneged on the terms of the surrender of the Moors (to allow them to remain in a reverse-dhimmi contract) and booted them out.
    http://voyager.dvc.edu/~mpowell/afam/surrendergranada.pdf

    Eastern Europe and the US have bigger fish to fry and they aren’t Muslim fish. If you think a 3% Muslim population is something to worry about, then I am amused at your mental gymnastics to arrive at any confidence in your claim to civilization. Muslims are losing plenty of numbers to atheism and Western secularism, then again, they are gaining plenty of numbers with conversions. This is all in the open, nobody is forcing anyone to convert – people can read what your homeboy, Reilly, says about Islam and see if it appeals to them.

    和平:

  93. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    I don’t think I ever read colonel Kiatkowski. There have been many exposes about the Israeli military roaming around the pentagon.

    • 回复: @Talha
  94. Frankie P 说:
    @Alden

    The Chinese are pragmatic realists, and as such are well aware of the history of the Jews, and how they latch onto productive societies and bleed them dry for the benefit of the tribe. Are you actually so naive that you believe that the Chinese, with a history longer than that of the Jews and a national population (discounting overseas Chinese) 100X greater than that of worldwide Jewry, a Chinese political modus operandi that is cautious, meticulous and ever-focused on benefitting the Han population, would ever open their arms and give Jews the opportunity to play their shell games, Ponzi schemes (international finance) and subjugation agendas on the Chinese? Have you wondered why the Chinese have kept their economy walled off from and strictly regulated against international currency conversion and investment? Have you considered why the Chinese are constructing a parallel financial system to the established international financial order, providing alternatives to the IMF and World Bank and current SWIFT system? AIIB, BRICS Bank, OBOR (One Belt One Road), CIPS (China International Payment System) = the end of Jewish controlled global banking leverage, end of effective sanctions on countries who refuse to toe America’s line, end of CURRENT GLOBAL ORDER!
    AMEN!!!! Now put this on the stove and let it start to cook. Think of 30 years from now, when the Chinese economy is TWICE the size of that of the USA. Eventually, we will all be thanking the Chinese; they will be the ones to free us from this parasitic evil. The question then will be: how well will the Chinese treat us?

    • 回复: @Art
  95. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    I give them great credit for administering good spankings to Baghdad (sacked!) and various Muslim cities in Iraq/Syria.

    How did I miss that one – wow! I love the cognitive dissonance in all of this – the gentle Christian critic of the violent Islam – LOL! Never have I ever spoken gleefully or positively about any sack on any city! You can answer to all the thousands of Christian souls that were also raped, tortured, killed in those same ‘spankings’ when you see them when you are stood up for judgement.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Clyde
    , @Marcus
  96. Talha 说:
    @Alden

    Colonel Kiatkowski is solid and on point.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Alden
  97. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    I would never read salon or American conservative

  98. @Talha

    I’m a Sufi

    Friendly advice, darvish: never make claims to being a Sufi.

    萨拉姆

    • 回复: @Talha
  99. Art 说:
    @Frankie P

    Are you actually so naive that you believe that the Chinese, with a history longer than that of the Jews and a national population (discounting overseas Chinese)

    Hmm – what about Adelson and Winn in Macao – who are they paying off? Not a bad start- ha!

    The Big Jews are masters at divide and conquer – and there is a lot of dividing to do in China.

    These Zionists (a manifestation of Jew culture) are evil – they terrorize their own children by building up hate for the rest of humanity. They tell them that all Gentiles hate them and want to kill them – they make little zombies, who will back the Big Jews 100% for the rest of their lives.

    New sell the Big Jews evil short – they know the dark side of life and how to play it – they revel in the taking.

    • 回复: @Frankie P
  100. Talha 说:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    Good one bro – I’m a Sufi, but a lousy one, eh??!! Istighfar time!

    谢谢你的建议!

    瓦萨拉姆。

    • 回复: @Clyde
  101. @Mark Green

    More Israelis live in the U.S. than in Israel. They control the MSM, Hollywood & the U.S. govt.
    through dual-citizenship Jews who’d sell out the U.S. in a FLASH.

    I’m sorry Assad’s AF shot down just 1 Israeli jet and drone. But Israel has \$38 Billion in U.S. tax dollars over the next 10 years to buy more. Next time, perhaps Russian pilots will take out a few. .

  102. Alden 说:
    @annamaria

    Read my post. I did not write that it’s my opinion that the Jews would be able to colonize China as they did America and S Africa.

    I simply reported that the Jewish publications I read seem to be encouraging Jews to infiltrate and take over China.

    I doubt the Han will ever allow immigrant Jews to use the minorities to overthrow the Han.

    But China allowed itself to be taken over by Russia directed communists and then allowed Mao to murder 100 million and destroy their economy.

    So they are not invincible.

    But once more, I simply reported what Jewish publications are writing.

  103. Alden 说:
    @Talha

    I’m sure she is. But I learned all about Israeli military officers roaming the pentagon and taking what they wanted before colonel Kiawkotowski joined the military.

  104. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    How did I miss that one – wow! I love the cognitive dissonance in all of this – the gentle Christian critic of the violent Islam – LOL! Never have I ever spoken gleefully or positively about any sack on any city!

    What!!?? Are you some kind of silly sufi or peacenik Ahmadiyya Muslim? Did I miss something here?
    Muhammad famously proclaimed that he had become victorious though terror. Through deploying terroristic tactics during his wars and battles. We see ISIS fighting wars exactly the same terroristic way today. Emulating their alleged Prophet in this way.
    THUSLY……
    I admire the Mongols for out terrorizing (in wars) the religious sect called Islam that sacked the Christian middle east of the 7th century. The Mongols were better terrorists than the Muslims. But alas, the Mongols dissipated after a few centuries and many went Muslim themselves as they dissolved into the greater Ummah and the alleged abode of peace Dar al Salam. What a pity, but once again showing the bizarre effectiveness of Islam down through the centuries.

  105. Ace 说:
    @Alden

    Thank you. I will. MEMRI does good work in capturing Muslim intramural conversation and I have no doubt Jewish such conversation would be similarly instructive.

    A Non-Jewish lady friend once dated a Jewish man and attended synagogue with him. The rabbi pointedly asked if everyone was family, or words to that effect, and, assuming only family was present, went on to discuss some matter that showed, shall we say, a somewhat “parochial” way thinking. I don’t remember the details, but the 进取心 preface was crystal clear. Do Baptists talk like that in church?

    A Swiss journalist got himself kidnapped by the Germans before WWII for publishing a too-accurate order of battle for the Wehrmacht. They demanded he reveal his agent network but he explained that he only combed the smallest of newspapers for items reporting, for example, that Cpl Schmidt was home for a week from the 423 Motorized Mess Kit Repair Regiment in Mülheim. He was released after protest by foreign journalists but rekidnapped during the war, which did not survive.

    Anyway, an excellent point about open source intel. And whatever that shows, you don’t have to study the Pollard case or accounts of the sayonim to realize that there is a visible and a hidden side to the activities of 一些 犹太人

    I am mindful of the kindness and patriotism of Jews of my acquaintance (and much more) but there are others for whom the Zionist/dual loyalty tractor beam exerts a strong pull. I don’t see it discussed openly among Jews and strangely it seems to fall to non-Jews to try to outline the nature and extent of “the problem” – with attendant risk of being labeled you-know-what.

    The outrageous attack on Diana West also has roots in this hidden side of secular, ultra-leftist Jews who did not like any discussion of the true extent of communist influence in the Roosevelt administration and afterwards. Since Jews played an enormous role in 1930s communism and afterwards it’s been extremely important to them to conceal the true story of American communism. (The case of David Horowitz is still an anomaly. His disdain for her makes no sense. He has a lot of integrity I think and think either tribal loyalty is stronger than I realize or his donor base got on his case, as with Gatestone.)

    There are several facets to the thinking of 一些 Jews. For the life of me I don’t understand why many (?) Jews seem to think that gentiles are perennially on the the point of organizing a pogrom and how could anyone even suggest that Jews could have attitudes and behaviors that would alienate nearby non-Jews. But they do and hence the Barbara Lerner Spectres of this world, I guess

  106. Alden 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    It was more like Iran went to Germany for protection against Russia and the UK.

    Russia and the U.K. Made an agreement to occupy big parts of Iran. Russia would and get Azberjian, 1/4 th of Iran in the north east. The U.K. Would get the southern oil patch on the Gulf.

    That is why Iran went to Germany for protection in the late 1930s.

  107. Frankie P 说:
    @Art

    艺术,

    I’m well aware of the phsychological training that results in rampant anti-gentilism among Zionists; we shouldn’t limit it to Zionists, as even AZZ (Anti-Zionist Zionists) have been indoctrinated, causing them to try to manage the discourse on all matters of dual-loyalty or American Jewish power and influence in Washington while they simultaenously attack Israel, proving themselves as “good Jews”.

    Regarding Sheldon Adelson and the Macau casino moguls, you should be aware of what the payoff was to the Chinese; it was not merely a matter of cash kickbacks into some corrupt local Communist Party official’s pocket. The Chinese, fully aware of the political pull that Sheldon Adelson has/had in the US, especially in the Republican Party, where the “Adelson Primary” to choose the Republican presidential candidate rivals that of any state primary, asked for lobbying help from Adelson on matters of priority to the Chinese. Let that sink in. The Chinese, a foreign government, threw Adelson some bones and let him make money from casinos in Macau for a while (when his influence wanes, they will kick him out) in return for proven lobbying power in the halls of power in the US Congress, the legislative body of their biggest competitor for future global power. I’d say the Communist Party sees that as a good investment; they get influence in US politics and Adelson makes a bit of money in Macau. This is mere greed on the part of Adelson and Winn; they have absolutely NO CHANCE of playing their divide and conquer games on the Chinese.

  108. Talha 说:
    @Talha

    Man, homeboy (Robert Reilly) is knee-deep in Zionism:

    “Robert R Reilly, a former director of the Voice of America, is senior fellow for strategic communication at the American Foreign Policy Council. He is on the Editorial Advisory Board of the Israel-America Renaissance Institute (I-ARI).”
    http://www.think-israel.org/reilly.illusionsreislamism.html

    “The central purpose of IARI is to revive our ‘ancient faith.’”
    https://www.facebook.com/IsraelAmericaRenaissanceInstitute/about/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item&tab=page_info

    That’s cryptic, I wonder what that means…
    “Our program will reveal the convergence of Jewish ideas evident in the Bible and in both the American Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution.”

    Oh I see – LOL!

    The Iraq Debate: The War Was Just – by Robert R. Reilly
    http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/rreilly/01868.html

    Now all of his articles make sense – dude’s an unabashed Neocon – capital ‘N’ – baby! I just thought he was a pissed off Catholic or something with an axe to grind.

  109. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    And I’m not paid by Zionist fund raisers – technically that shouldn’t count, but of course it does.

    I am sure you could find anti-Israel leftist Jews who would pay you to debate Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer does not live an extravagant life so “The Zionists” you are yapping about must not pay very well. And he knows Muslim wackos could try and kill him at any time. How would you like to live like this? You are aware that Muslims have killed their critics in Europe. Again emulating Muhammad who proclaimed that he had become victorious through terror.
    Remember when Sunni Muslims were bombing all those Shiite mosques and market places in Iraq from 2004-2008? They were murdering 30-100 Shiites at a time via bombings. Car bombs and suicide bombs. This anti-Shiite Jihad was also emulating Muhammad’s terrorist tactics that Muhammad bragged about, that had made him victorious.

    “The Prophet Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52.220]

    • 回复: @Talha
  110. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    Some of the Mongols were friendly to Christians, hence the Prester John legend. They sacked Kiev and made some incursions into Poland and Hungary, but overall they (and later Timur) bought Europe valuable time.

    • 回复: @Talha
  111. Marcus 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Also Buddhists and Hindus: they’re offering better resistance to the Muslims than any Western country: who would’ve thought!

  112. Alden 说:
    @annamaria

    I know all about the huge medieval kingdom of Poland/ Lithuania, that Poland once ruled a big part of Ukraine and that its territory once stretched from the Black to the Baltic Sea.

    So what’s your point? That Russia and Poland battled over Ukraine 800 years ago? That Ukraine belongs to Russia? Well doesn’t it? So what.
    You seem to think Russia is an upright, moral wonderful nation that will never again invade any territory belonging to another nation. Maybe that is true, maybe it isn’t

    But to say Russia never invaded any other nation, well…….

    • 回复: @annamaria
  113. Clyde 说:
    @Marcus

    You remark is mostly accurate but Obama is our very own Third World president running an occupation government in Washingtoon DC. Don’t blame me if most Americans are oblivious to this.
    His father was third worlder and did not even bother to illegally immigrate here. He dropped his bad seed here into a young, naive, 17 year old American woman named Ann Dunham and was then gonezo back to Kenya.
    Now as a good loyal Third Worlder you think Obama likes Israel? Or is neutral on Israel? This is crazy. His prime act of sabotage and revenge again Israel was the big Iran deal. Helping/paying out billions to Iran to develop nuclear weapons over time. Any white European person who thinks Muslims + nukes is a good thing is clinically insane.
    Muslims are in love with terrorism, always have been, and nukes are the ultimate terrorist weapon. They make your terrorist threats much more credible.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Avery
    , @annamaria
  114. Alden 说:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    The Romans were complaining about the Jews long before Christianity. Just because monks maintained libraries and colleges does not mean there were no other intellectuals in Europe. Many students at the monastic colleges went back to civilian life and married after they completed their studies.

    The industrial revolution had its roots in a thousand years of ordinary small business men, mechanics and tradesmen coming up with small improvements that led to modern machinery and inventions.

  115. Clyde 说:
    @Ace

    David Gelbaum alone gave \$100 million – and \$20 million annually thereafter – to the Sierra Club on condition that if the Club ever “came out anti-immigration” it would receive no more money from him.

    Ostensibly it was based on his fond memories of his immigrant grandparents and his wanting to ensure that no one else should be denied the opportunity to emmigrate here, iirc, America to remain the sponge to the entire world to clean up every social and economic problem known to man. A dumping ground as it were.

    Moreover, Gelbaum’s dear grandparents were illegals, iirc. They were refused entry in New York for health reasons and had to sneak in from Canada. This is the option Gelbaum wants to preserve, assuming I’ve provided an accurate account. Or even if not. Open borders is not about legal immigration. I can’t document that (illegal entry, health rejection) now but let’s leave it that Gelbaum simply doesn’t want to “dishonor the memory” of his grandparents. For that, whites should not object to 47 million immigrants.

    I have been aware of Gelbaum and his bribing the Sierra Club for at least ten years. Before Gelbaum the Sierra Club was vocal about not crowding millions of third worlders into America thus trashing our ecology. The immigrant burden on Califonia’s water supply and eco-systems is very obvious these days.
    Gelbaum’s wife is Mexican derived. He likes tending his vegetable garden with her.
    For decades I have been against America being a dumping ground for the third world.

    About Gelbaum’s grandparents sneaking in here via Canada…. I would appreciate if you can post anything more on this. Never heard this one before.

    • 回复: @Ace
  116. Art 说:
    @Anonymous

    Well, is that any different when it comes to Palestinian children who stab Israeli (citizens or occupiers, it has no relevance here) or at least try to?

    You disgrace humanity with your ugly comparison.

  117. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    You say you are Sufi but my bet is you were not born Sufi. Sufi has a good peaceful reputation in the terminally naive West. But Sufis have made Jihad too and are the prime anti-Hindu fighters in Jammu-Kashmir.
    But all in all Sufi have not made nearly as much Jihad wars as Sunnis have.

    • 回复: @Talha
  118. @Clyde

    That is a false dichotomy. There is another option which is to side with the United States. The US doesn’t have to pick sides. We can follow our founding fathers advice and stay out of other people’s wars. Israel is talking to Russians about the fake peace process. Let it be Putin’s problem.

  119. Anonymous [AKA "S. W."] 说:

    What can we do in Canada? All newspapers censure our posts on blogs. We have much more liberty here on American websites. In French Canada, people totally ignore what’s going on. The television and radio never said a single word, never showed a single picture, a single documentary on the millions of innocents who died during the last decades, in Lebanon, Libya, Syria, Palestine, and Africa. They carefully filter radio ”interventions” in order to manufacture public opinion and consent to have the okay for bombing and dividing Syria, exactly like they did for destroying Libya and killing thousands there by dropping 30 000 bombs on Libya. These ”medias” incessantly bash and demonize Syria, and Iran. Not a single word on the thousands dead due to the backing of rebels armed by the West.

    Not a word on Canadian soldiers deployed in Poland, Ukraine, and now in Kurdistan, these soldiers WEAR THE KURDISH flag and they train Kurds in order to fight Isis armed by the West ie rebels trained and armed in NATO allie Turkey!!

    • 回复: @Ace
  120. The terrorism Iran is guilty of engaging in over the past 20 years, is furnishing effective weapons and training to Hezbollah Defense Forces in Lebanon, to prevent Israel from defeating and occupying the country. The same logic applies to Bashar Assad of Syria, or anyone else, who dares defend itself by fighting back.

  121. KenH 说:

    My faith in Trump regarding Israel and foreign policy is not implicit given that his entourage his largely Jewish who I assume have some loyalty to Israel. So I think we’ll get America sort of first with Trump although if Izzy protests or if Ivanka whispers in daddy’s ear to be kinder to them we could be back to square one. If nothing else Israel has innumerable proxies in the U.S. Congress and in the media in case Trump strays too far off the reservation (i.e., has a foreign policy that is too fair, commonsensical and pro-American).

    FOX News is almost an extension of the Likud party.

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  122. annamaria 说:
    @Alden

    “Russia and Poland battled over Ukraine 800 years ago…”

    This is not what we know from the history of these two states. Russian state had gained any significance in the 16th century and was invaded by Poland in the 17th.

    “You seem to think Russia is an upright, moral wonderful nation that will never again invade any territory belonging to another nation…”

    The article is about demonization of Russian Federation by the Empire of Federal Reserve; the encroachment of NATO to the RF borders, and the bloody wars of aggression/regime change in the Middle East and Ukraine, which have endangered Russian Federation. I care not about comparing certain personalities (though that could be instructive) but tremble for the fate of humanity if two nuclear powers go into conflict. Please take a notice the US’ intentions on provoking RF towards conventional wars in Eastern Europe (via NATO) and Middle East (via US/SA/Israel-sponsored “moderate” terrorists). The US are thousands miles aways from the military theater whereas RF has it at her doors. Again, what are the territories that RF invaded after the dissolution of the USSR? Why the US are so aggressively against the RF cooperation with Europe? What events have created ISIS? What is Yinon Plan?

    • 同意: Ace
  123. @timamac

    tinamac,
    Please name some of “other important topics” that should push any story about “evil Israel” from print.
    I am personally outraged that America has allied itself with a racist, land-stealing monster of a country that has perverted our Congress, and lied America into wasting Trillion of dollars fighting its crappy little wars to demolish all of its neighbors. I think that the stink and perfidy of elected officials of this country aiding these racist monsters should be in 50 point headlines. But go ahead, give us some more of your hasbara garbage – I need to get my blood boiling first thing in the morning

  124. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    Indeed – and some of the Mongol leaders were Christian (and were accompanied by Armenian divisions and others), like the one who invaded the Levant. But you and I both know that their tactics remained mostly the same whether they were Christian or Muslim (like Tamerlane). So religion didn’t do much to dent their fury – at least initially.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  125. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    You also seem to ignore that Christendom of a few centuries ago is also not compatible with Christendom of today on a fundamental level.

    It is a funny thing, since what combined West achieved in positive connotation today has the seeds and the root in precisely this “Christendom of a few centuries ago”.

    Never said that. Robert Reilly makes fundamental mistakes on Islam in every article of his that I’ve read (what Islamic scholars is he working with??!!). And yes, he is also a boon to Zionists, that shouldn’t technically count – but of course it does.

    And I, for some dumb reason, still think that overwhelming empirical evidence somehow should point out to mistakes in Islam. Robert Spences, btw, is a fervent Israeli-firster, yet–he will eat any Islamic “scholar” for lunch and will not even notice it. You see, this is the favorite shtick of (faux?)intellectual Muslims–to turn discussion into some recitation of problems with verbiage not substance but each time it is asked “show me the money” it all comes down to Israel. I am not pro-Israeli, in fact, I am sick and tired of this Jewish smugness but let’s not conflate problems with Palestine and Israel (or whatever the current narrative) with REAL problems with Islam. Israel-firsters’ utilizing REAL problems with Islam for their own sake does not cancel REAL problems with and within Islam. Again, an overwhelming empirical evidence exists on that issue. I underscore-overwhelming.

    你的意见。

    No, it is not mine–it is based on a variety of open (and suppressed) polls and on what Huntington defined as sotto voce of people.

    Why should it? The Eastern Europeans (Hapsburgs) and Russians (after Ivan brought the Tatar Khanates under his dominion) already provided a reasonable model for integration under their terms. It is basically a reverse-dhimmi model where the Christians are the recognized alpha group. That worked for quite a long time for Russia.

    It was more complex than that and you forgot to mention 70 years of Communism/Socialism which sometimes brutally, sometimes softly secularized Russia’s organic Muslim population of Tatars and Bashkirs, among many. They went through the process unknown to the rest of Ummah, foundation of which was a massive and highly scientific (secular) education and industrialization. It is still highly relevant today. Ummah could only dream about the level of industrial, scientific, educational achievements of places such as Azerbaijan, Tatarstan or Bashkortostan had and still, largely, have. It was and is simply beyond the reach of most of Ummah even today.

    people can read what your homeboy, Reilly, says about Islam and see if it appeals to them.

    I am sure ISIS and Al Qaeda, among many, or Saudi Arabia’s “attractive” image provide all necessary appearances. I also think that French or Swedish cities becoming shitholes due to the cultural “enrichment” works well in support of your theories;-)

    • 回复: @Talha
  126. Marcus 说:
    @Clyde

    Iran doesn’t want or need nuclear weapons. Much safer for them to be under Russia’s umbrella. Much worse is the US ally Pakistan, an outright terror state, having both nuclear weapons and modern delivery systems. By the way, Pakistan names their missiles after Muslim invaders like Ghazni and Ghori, imagine Germany naming missiles after Goering or Himmler!

    • 回复: @Astuteobservor II
  127. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站

    Iran doesn’t want or need nuclear weapons. Much safer for them to be under Russia’s umbrella

    Russia and Iran are situational “allies”. For now it is a marriage of the convenience. Iran considers herself and, in fact, is a major regional player, which inevitably will also, after solving her regional tasks, will see no need for Russia, or may even see Russia as an obstacle.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Clyde
  128. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    Born Sufi??!! Born Sunni??!! What does that even mean?

    The fact that you actually make a distinction between Sunni and Sufi shows me what a colossal waste of time this is. Years of daily readings of Spencer (I believe you said) and you are at this level…Wow!

    Sufis have made jihad, quite impressively actually:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelkader_El_Djezairi – Christians in Iowa named a town after him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elkader,_Iowa)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mukhtar
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

    Don’t want to die at the rifle barrels of warrior saints – don’t land on their shores or enter their forests with young armed men.

    和平:

  129. @Marcus

    a life lesson: never depend on others if you can help it yourself.

    this lesson works on everything, especially countries.

  130. Avery 说:
    @Clyde

    {随着时间的推移,帮助/支付数十亿美元给伊朗发展核武器。 }

    美国不是 ‘paying out’ \$ billions to Iran.
    It was their \$ billions that US illegally froze: in effect preventing Iran from using their own money to invest, earn interest, etc. Theft.
    而且即使美国不配合,欧盟也会不顾一切地解除制裁,所以这是一个有争议的问题。 美国看到了墙上的文字,继续前进,奥巴马或没有奥巴马。

    {任何认为穆斯林 + 核武器是好事的欧洲白人都是临床上的疯子。}

    那列火车很久以前就离开了车站。
    正如其他人所指出的那样,激进的巴基斯坦伊斯兰国确实拥有核武器并测试了运载系统:他们的核武器导弹的最大射程被宣传为 1,700 英里。

    你猜怎么着: 美国帮助伊斯兰巴基斯坦发展核武器。

    {In the late 80s, in the course of tracking down smugglers of WMD components, Barlow uncovered reams of material that related to Pakistan. It was known the Islamic Republic had been covertly striving to acquire nuclear weapons since India’s explosion of a device in 1974 and the prospect terrified the west – especially given the instability of a nation that had had three military coups in less than 30 years . Straddling deep ethnic, religious and political fault-lines, it was also a country regularly rocked by inter-communal violence. “Pakistan was the kind of place where technology could slip out of control,” Barlow says.

    He soon discovered, however, that senior officials in government were taking quite the opposite view: they were breaking US and international non-proliferation protocols to shelter Pakistan’s ambitions and even sell it banned WMD technology. In the closing years of the cold war, Pakistan was considered to have great strategic importance. It provided Washington with a springboard into neighbouring Afghanistan – a route for passing US weapons and cash to the mujahideen, who were battling to oust the Soviet army that had invaded in 1979. Barlow says, “We had to buddy-up to regimes we didn’t see eye-to-eye with, but I could not believe we would actually give Pakistan the bomb.}

    (TheGuardian 2007。[ 知道太多的人。
    He was the CIA’s expert on Pakistan’s nuclear secrets, but Rich Barlow was thrown out and disgraced when he blew the whistle on a US cover-up. Now he’s to have his day in court. Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark report])

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  131. Che Guava 说:

    Alas, too many comments here for Mr. Giraldi to read mine, I think.

    A Comstock was a big man in the lead up to Prohibition. I forget the name F. Scott Fitzgerald used, I think the same, but the earlier Comstock was in the background of 美丽与诅咒,至少。

    Comstock is an unusual surname in English, so I estimate the probability of her not being a relative as approaching zero.

    Disgusting how your politicians are bought by compulsory junkets to Israel, but seems to apply to all English-speaking countries, and many others in western Europe.

    Hideous phenomenon.

  132. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    True, but Timur and his successors did distinguish between Muslims and everyone else, though they were more often than not fighting other Muslims.

    “Many of the Rajputs placed their wives and children in their houses and burned them, then they rushed to the battle and were killed. Other men of the garrison fought and were slain, and a great many were taken prisoners. Next day I gave orders that the Mussalman prisoners should be separated and saved, but that the infidels should all be despatched to hell with the proselytising sword. I also ordered that the houses of the sayids, shaiks, and learned Mussalmans should be preserved, but that all the other houses should plundered and the fort destroyed.”

  133. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    Robert Spencer does not live an extravagant life so “The Zionists” you are yapping about must not pay very well.

    Wait a minute, are you saying his paymasters aren’t generous with their sheckels – because (gasp!) they’re Jews??!! What are you – some kind of racist? LOL!

    I don’t know man, \$132K + \$14K for blogging nonsense every year is not exactly ‘spartan’ living:
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/robert-spencer-david-horowitz-cash-in-on-hate/

    And he knows Muslim wackos could try and kill him at any time.

    Yeah, like homeboy is ducking ‘laau akbaar’ drivebys every week or something.

    Remember when Sunni Muslims were bombing all those Shiite mosques and market places in Iraq from 2004-2008?

    Yeah – I do – remind me of all the names of qualified Sunni muftis urging them on. Oh wait, they were getting slaughtered by the same extremists for speaking against them.

    “The Prophet Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious with terror”. [Bukhari: 4.52.220]

    Ah yes – this one – LOL! Of course this is actually correct, but not in the way you intend. The word in Arabic here is (رعب) which can encompass; panic, awe, terror – which is what God cast into the hearts of his enemies in order for them to give up without a fight. Same word used in this verse:
    “…and He cast terror into their hearts…” 59:2
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

    And it continued after him, a Byzantine priest is reported to have advised the military leaders (talking about Khalid bin Walid [ra]):
    “Is the standard of this army a black one? Is the commander of this army a tall, powerfully built, broad shouldered man with a large beard and a few pock marks on his face? Then beware of fighting this army. ”

    If he meant what you intend, he would have used a perfectly clear word like ‘Hiraaba’ to connote terrorism.

    和平:

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  134. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    嗨,艾弗里,

    那列火车很久以前就离开了车站。

    Quite so – there is not a weapon system in the world that will not eventually be aped by someone other than its founders. Best thing for everyone of us to support is a complete nuclear disarmament and a permanent neutral inspections protocol for any nation above a certain industrial standard.

    和平:

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    , @Avery
  135. Marcus 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I don’t think Iran can ever rise much further than that being non-Arab and Shia. So they’ll need Russian protection for the foreseeable future

  136. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    嘿思慕雪,

    Spencer’s a joke – his interpretation of Islam is Daesh’s interpretation of Islam – not impressed. I point out his angle to let everyone know the man is no objective academic.

    I underscore-overwhelming.

    Sure you do – that’s why you are not Muslim and I am. That’s pretty obvious. I can see you are itching for a theological debate or something. No thanks, I’ve made it clear that I don’t debate theology – way too subjective; you and I don’t even agree on a baseline definition for ‘civilization’. I’ve being putting Clyde’s feet to the fire over historical record and fact – not theology.

    It was more complex than that and you forgot to mention 70 years of Communism/Socialism

    Course it was – but Ivan, Catherine (http://www.indiana.edu/~cahist/Readings/2010Fall/Islam_and_Modernity/Fisher_Enlightened_Despotism.pdf) and the Hapsburgs predated Communism. They had a more stable institution of coexistence (once the Russians eased back on the forced baptisms under Catherine). What communism has done has unfortunately cut off a large number of the population from their historical Sunni Orthodox roots and thus made many susceptible to extremist Wahhabi/Salafi interpretations. One of my spiritual teachers made an extensive travel of the former Soviet Central Asian states and mentioned the damage that communism did to the tradition. It’ll take more time to get back on track – the people of that area have been a reservoir of the foundational knowledge (religious and secular) of the Muslims.

    Ummah could only dream about the level of industrial, scientific, educational achievements of places such as Azerbaijan, Tatarstan or Bashkortostan had and still, largely, have.

    Sure…you keep tooting the materialist horn – I already know that is your benchmark of civilization.
    http://www.storyit.com/Classics/Stories/tortoisehare.htm

    I love it! Stick to talking about Daesh, al-Queda and Saudi – as if they are the only Muslims in existence – I mean Spencer does. Now who’s deflecting? Do all you can to make sure someone doesn’t look up something like ‘Selangor skyline’ – LOL!

    You are quite right about the tragedy unfolding in France and Sweden – the Muslims have not been good guests on the whole and I believe it is only a matter of time before things come to a head where the host population loses its patience. I pray for a peaceful resolution, but I have also read enough history.

    和平:

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  137. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    Well, does MAD’s deterrent effect on conventional wars outweigh the potential of nuclear exchange? Proliferation to countries like Pakistan and North Korea certainly complicates things, but even they have mostly limited their antics to provocations (Pakistani army recently crossed the ceasefire line).

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  138. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    I can see you are itching for a theological debate or something.

    God forbids. Quite opposite. I am not interested in discussing medieval delirium. You yourself answered the question for me.

    Sure…you keep tooting the materialist horn – I already know that is your benchmark of civilization.

    No, it is not my benchmark–it is a universal benchmark. And if for a cultural dimension of it–Islam doesn’t even touch the feet of European culture in music, literature, visuals and ideas. All non-materialist manifestations of civilization. After all, Islam doesn’t have Hellenic and Roman root, New Testament Christianity does. Anything in the human history was, is and will continue to be judged by the achievements: material, cultural and spiritual. It is just the way it is. Huntington, for all his mistakes, ended making a correct conclusion, which reduces to: is it possible to modernize without westernizing oneself. In Islam it is not possible in the absolute degree, elsewhere–it is the matter of proportions.

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  139. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    依靠…

    First off, I’m not convinced that we won’t accidentally trigger the apocalypse. I know there are certain fail-safes in place, but I have also read and watched videos on how close we came to nuclear exchange before. But beyond all of that, I cannot justify (morally) the use of a weapon – the precise intent of which is to completely obliterate all life (regardless of age, innocence or guilt) within a large radius. I can perhaps see its military use, in say a strike on a large mass of tanks crossing a desert or an aircraft carrier group in the middle of an ocean, but let’s not fool ourselves that this is the intention behind these weapons. Call me naive, but that’s the only stand I’m willing to take on the Day of Judgement.

    和平:

  140. Ace 说:
    @Clyde

    I’m sorry. I tried to find the source of this idea in my head before I posted but couldn’t find it. I’m reasonably sure my memory is accurate about what I read but darned if I can prove it. If I do better with my desktop or notes at home I’ll let you know.

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  141. Ace 说:
    @Anonymous

    We have embraced full-frontal schizophrenia. Foreign policy a la the three Stooges. I miss them. They were totally honest.

  142. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    Ah yes – this one – LOL! Of course this is actually correct, but not in the way you intend. The word in Arabic here is (رعب) which can encompass; panic, awe, terror – which is what God cast into the hearts of his enemies in order for them to give up without a fight. Same word used in this verse:
    “…and He cast terror into their hearts…” 59:2
    http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/bukhari/004.052.220.html

    That’s just your Ahmadiyya/Sufi interpretation. That is a Muslim peacenik’s interpretation. What happened in the real world is that Muhammad and his four Caliph successors reveled in deploying terrorism and tortures as a prime instrument of war. This is how they got their rocks off. Whether Allah exists or not, this alleged Allah had nothing to do with cities and peoples surrendering to Muhammad’s terrorist armies of Jihad.

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  143. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    it is a universal benchmark

    So you opine…

    Islam doesn’t have Hellenic and Roman root

    No it doesn’t, but it has a very legitimate claim to preserving the Hellenistic legacy on its own terms. It is irrelevant to us if some anonymous person on the internet refuses to recognize that.

    Islam doesn’t even touch the feet of European culture in music, literature, visuals and ideas.

    First off, Islam is a religion – it is shared by a multitude of people; some of whom live in mud huts to this day and some of whom were building towers while a good portion of Europe was in mud huts. If you can’t appreciate the poetry of Jaami, Saadi, Rumi, Attar (ra) or the aphorisms of Ibn Ata-illah (ra) or Imam Haddad (ra) that’s your loss. Likewise if you can’t appreciate the architecture of any of the grand mosques of the Muslim world – I can easily appreciate the marvelous Gothic cathedrals. Sorry, not looking to be vindicated by you or Huntington.

    is it possible to modernize without westernizing oneself

    Wrong question…define modernize and westernize first, then we can speak intelligently. But if one takes it on face value; “is it worth modernizing if it requires westernizing”? In the absolute degree of course…

    和平:

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  144. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    Robert Spencer deserves good compensation for exposing Jihadist Islam. As of 2014 he was being paid even more at 178 + 22 thousands. He is a very busy man who travels quite a bit as part of his job. His two latest books are:
    The Complete Infidels’ Guide to Iran. Regnery Press. July 11, 2016. p. 256. ISBN 978-1621575160.
    The Complete Infidel’s Guide to ISIS, Regnery Publ., Aug. 2015, ISBN 978-1-62157-453-8.

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    , @Clyde
  145. Clyde 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Russia and Iran are situational “allies”. For now it is a marriage of the convenience. Iran considers herself and, in fact, is a major regional player, which inevitably will also, after solving her regional tasks, will see no need for Russia, or may even see Russia as an obstacle.

    Selling weaponry, antiaircraft missile systems, nuclear reactors and other military items. Putin’s Russia and Putin’s cronies make billions from commerce with Iran. Iran sells Russia pistachios and this must be about it. This is why Russia is an Iranian friend and ally. Plus they have the same objectives for Syria and Assad.

  146. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    That’s just your Ahmadiyya/Sufi interpretation.

    No, your opinion coincides with Spencer and Daesh. Bring me a legitimate scholar (Bayhaqi, Daraqutni, Ibn Hajar [ra]) that claims your interpretation and I’ll take you seriously. Secondly, I’m quite a Sunni – Ahmadiyya aren’t Muslim.

    Muhammad and his four Caliph successors reveled in deploying terrorism

    Really??? You are full of opinions. The first Muslims captured a multitude of massive ancient capitals: Ctesiphon, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Damascus, etc. All captured through terms of surrender (there was no rape and pillage) – again, they foolishly met the Muslims out in pitched battle and thus left their towns without a legitimate garrison. The later Muslims, especially the Turkic ones did revel in plunder, unfortunately, but the good thing is they don’t set the standards for us from a juristic perspective anymore than Ivan the Terrible or the Spanish Inquisition does for Christians.

    This is how they got their rocks off.

    How can anybody doubt your objectivity in these matters??? Heavens to mergatroid!

    And of course the Prophet (pbuh) set the best example in the conquest of Makkah – captured in surprise, without a fight and general population granted amnesty. The horror…the horror…

    You are like a broken record at this point – cite your sources – other than Darth Spencer.

    和平:

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  147. annamaria 说:
    @Clyde

    “Muslims are in love with terrorism…”

    The ongoing wars in the Middle East represent massive terrorist actions waged by the US/Israel/EU against muslims and christians living in the Middle East.

    It was Irgun (Odessa) gang that introduced terrorism to Palestine. And look at the pleasures of Purim – a celebration of a cleverly-designed act of terrorism against native population of Persia by the ungrateful Jewish guests. Persia (Iran) was already a great civilization when the wondering semiliterate Jews invaded Canaan and exterminated its inhabitants. Is not that glorious…

    Have you heard about any powerful Iranian making announcements that are similar in spirit to Samson Option? – No? – Then perhaps you need to look for terrorists among your folks. By developing the zionist project in the Middle East, the ziocons have inflicted a tremendous harm on European population (see desperate refugees and intellectually-inadequate sub-Saharan migrants storming fortress Europe, while at the same time endangering the well-being of Jewish population in EU and beyond.

    Also, it seems that the recent US’ pledge to give Israel another \$38 billion is nothing for Israelis like you.

  148. Ace 说:
    @Talha

    It wasn’t a ‘laau akbaar’ driveby that almost got Lars Hedegaard.

    Maybe you missed that one.

    Then there was the al-Hebdo action. Also up close and personal. Ixnay on the use of internal combustion engine.

    Then there was the attack on Naguib Mahfouz outside his home. A knife inserted in the blasphemer’s neck by an informal scholar of and expert on blasphemy. See how you like , mothertrucker!

    Given the scorecard on Muslim murder, mayhem, and rapine at 和平宗教网 – and the fact that every 7-11 clerk can issue a DIY fatwa if the fancy strikes him – a healthy concern for one’s continued existence is hardly unwarranted.

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  149. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    As of 2014 he was being paid even more at 178 + 22 thousands.

    So why are you talking as if homie is living in the ghetto, ducking ‘laaau akbaar’ drive byes? He’s obviously got some good compensation in this world for his – ahem – work. Zionist paymasters bring the bling!

    和平:

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  150. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    So you opine…

    Well, there are numerous universally accepted metrics, including from UN, which do measure the degree of achievements. It is not my personal opinion, in the end, feel free to visit even CIA’s World Factbook and see for yourself what factors are taken in consideration by this and very many other intelligence and analytical organizations. This is just one of many examples. Obviously, such POS index as HDI (Human Development Index) is also a metric, however lousy, and does exist. But in the end, the fact that Islamic World translates in 10 years fewer books than Spain does in 1 is also a metric.

    No it doesn’t, but it has a very legitimate claim to preserving the Hellenistic legacy on its own terms.

    Ahem, this is really funny statement. On what terms? Al Mamun tried it, using it, didn’t work out in the end. What can possibly be common between Al Ghazali and Plato, I have no idea.

    First off, Islam is a religion – it is shared by a multitude of people; some of whom live in mud huts to this day and some of whom were building towers while a good portion of Europe was in mud huts

    Islam is Ummah and it is a civilization. Obviously it is not a monolith but civilization “is a culture writ large” (Roger Scruton) and a culture is a commonality of the behavioral matrix. In Islam this matrix is formed by Islam’s teachings, in Christianity–it is Christian tradition and so on.

    If you can’t appreciate the poetry of Jaami, Saadi, Rumi, Attar (ra) or the aphorisms of Ibn Ata-illah (ra) or Imam Haddad (ra) that’s your loss

    I’ll give you that, this could be the case. Yet, Omar Khayyam speaks to people globally, but he he could hardly be called a good Muslim.

    Wrong question…define modernize and westernize first, then we can speak intelligently.

    I”ll answer with the quote from some backwater non-writer and non-philosopher known as Leo Tolstoy. “A betterment of human condition”–that is the definition and I will abstain here from metaphysical. Factoring out the issue of war which IS a part of human nature (it is just that West due to its advancement made the war an industrial affair literally and in scale), one can not ignore the sum of all things that if not for the West we wouldn’t have today antibiotics, TV, radio, MRI machines, air travel, satellites, internet, increasing life expectancy and on, and on, and on–all what can only be defined as “Betterment of human condition”. West has a lot to atone for but it is this northern civilization where these very Islamic people who, for some reason, penetrate the borders of this Christendom, from Russia’s underbelly (Russia is no.2 global destination for immigration after US) to Germany and Sweden, and have no regard for their “wonderful” Islamic culture. Somehow they define their interests in purely materialistic way. They are attracted to those places where this “betterment” is born. Hm, I wonder why? They want Sharia but only when it is financed by the welfare departments. Well, that is a separate issue and I do not argue, in fact, state that West Europe is mentally ill and I am not sure will have enough time to recover. But that is an afterthought.

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  151. Talha 说:
    @Ace

    嘿王牌,

    Acknowledged – the crisis of authority is a very serious and legitimate criticism of the Muslim world right now and one that we need to take full responsibility for. Way too much sanguinary mood in too much of the people – and, of course, Muslims themselves are paying the price disproportionately.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/us/isis-threatens-muslim-preachers-who-are-waging-theological-battle-online.html?_r=0

    the fact that every 7-11 clerk can issue a DIY fatwa if the fancy strikes him

    Bingo – you hit the nail on the head there – this is our ‘Reformation’ and it’s going about as smooth as the European one.

    a healthy concern for one’s continued existence is hardly unwarranted

    Have to admit, this is true…sad, but true.

    和平:

  152. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    You might be interested to know that Omar Khayyam was quite popular in the English-speaking world after Edward FitzGerald’s translation was published in the late 19th century, Rumi became widely known here around the 1920s and 30s. It’s sad that modern academics decry “Orientalism,” when the Orientalists are most responsible for bringing the region’s heritage to the attention of its own people, not just Westerners; this is especially true in regards to the pre-Mohammedan past, which is regarded as an era of blackness 贾希里耶 by most orthodox Muslims. Regarding culture in Muslim history, I think this is a good summation

    Here too, we should distinguish between what Islam enjoins and what people who happen to be Muslims do. Thus, he says that Muslims contributed to Indian music. I am quite illiterate on art history, but I’ll take his word for it. However, if they did, they did it is spite of Islam, and not because of it. Mohammed closed his ears not to hear the music, and orthodox rulers like Aurangzeb and Ayatollah Khomeini issued measures against it. Likewise, the Moghul school of painting shows that human beings are inexorably fond of visual art, but does not disprove that Islam frowns on it.

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  153. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    Ahmadiyya aren’t Muslim

    嘿塔哈,
    Sorry to push in here bro. Is it true that Ahmadiyya’s are not considered muslim?

    克莱德
    I cannot stress emphatically enough how insidious Spencer’s views are. His brand of Christian supremacy and philo-semitism are the last things this country, and more narrowly, Jews, need; being entirely based on vilifying Islam. He is a purveyor of negatives; and that’s a game easily played on every religion.

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  154. Marcus 说:
    @Sam Shama

    It’s been shown that Jews still fear White Christians more than Muslims, and this is a very visceral fear, so he’s going to have a hard time persuading Jews.

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  155. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    On what terms?

    On terms with divine revelation:
    “Much of the classical Greek tradition that persisted was unaccpetable to Islam: the Greek language, humanistic values, and religion were all rejected. Even hellenic rarionalism was a significant influence on the thought of only a ‘small and isolated band’ of Islamic scholars. Yet, Professor Peters concludes, “the hllenic rsidue in medieval Islamic society remains considerable and impressive.” It was essentially in the fields of technical and scientific learning that Islam accepted the legacy of hellenism: medicine, mathematics and astronomy showed the greatest influence…What is more, the part of the classical tradition that was accepted played a configurative role within Islam. Not merely decorative or legitimizing, it resulted in new productts when combined with the intellectual currents of Islam itself.”
    PAths from Ancient Greece

    He forgot physics and logic (logic [rooted in Hellenic Greek works] is absolutely essential for any Muslim scholar in training).

    What can possibly be common between Al Ghazali and Plato, I have no idea.

    We’re talking Aristotle and Plato…
    “Al-Ghazâlî understood the importance of falsafa and developed a complex response that rejected and condemned some of its teachings, while it also allowed him to accept and apply others. Al-Ghazâlî’s critique of twenty positions of falsafa in his Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahâfut al-falâsifa) is a significant landmark in the history of philosophy as it advances the nominalist critique of Aristotelian science developed later in 14th century Europe. On the Arabic and Muslim side al-Ghazâlî’s acceptance of demonstration (apodeixis) led to a much more refined and precise discourse on epistemology and a flowering of Aristotelian logics and metaphysics. With al-Ghazâlî begins the successful introduction of Aristotelianism or rather Avicennism into Muslim theology.”
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/al-ghazali/

    Omar Khayyam speaks to people globally, but he he could hardly be called a good Muslim

    The jury is out on Omar Khayyam, much of what is attributed to him may not be true and many opinions on him also assume a literal interpretation of his words – which is a really, really stupid approach to Sufi poetry:
    The Wine of Wisdom: The Life, Poetry and Philosophy of Omar Khayyam

    “A betterment of human condition”

    No doubt that the West has helped achieve this – is anyone even arguing this issue? Muslims go to Hajj on planes invented by (and mostly built by) Europeans – is that even a question? Hats off to them for their amazing achievements in sciences and technology. But that is not their problem right now…as you stated – “I do not argue, in fact, state that West Europe is mentally ill and I am not sure will have enough time to recover”.

    The Muslims who do define their interests and achievements in a purely materialist way are bound to act in a predictably materially-focused way. So yeah, welfare, crime, etc. This is a very legitimate criticism of many Muslims. Of course, it would help if the Western countries didn’t go out of their way to destabilize countries already on the edge.

    和平:

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  156. Clyde 说:
    @Clyde

    Why are you complaining about Robert Spencer’s compensation? What the hell do you care? Like I said, Spencer does a great job exposing Islam and Islamic Jihad, so more power to him. I could care less if Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus are paying him via their donations to the David Horowitz Freedom Foundation.

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  157. Clyde 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿塔哈,
    Sorry to push in here bro. Is it true that Ahmadiyya’s are not considered muslim?

    They are Muslim but fundamentalist Muslim loonies are always gunning for them and will kill them given the opportunity.
    Robert Spencer is a great man who stands against Jihadist Islam. You don’t know what the f you are talking about. You are just spinning words.

  158. Sam Shama 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Forgot to add: Spencer’s liason with that revolting termagant Pamela Gellar further elevate both in the rogues gallery of religious opportunists.

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  159. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    Of course, it would help if the Western countries didn’t go out of their way to destabilize countries already on the edge.

    Here, I agree with you completely. But that is as far as our agreement goes. Islam and Jihad has a very long and “fruitful” history, which lasts to this day and if, for example, Russian cosmism of Fyodorov ( which is falsafa) ended with launching a human into space, for some reason, most of those “spiritual” struggles of Muslims end up with violence, rape and further mutations of Islam which each time are presented as non-representative of it, while in reality Islam sanctions it, in fact, very often mandates.

    • 回复: @Talha
  160. @KenH

    I agree that when it comes to Trump’s true feelings or intentions toward Israel, he represents a pig in a poke. Up to now, about the only thing anyone could deduce from the situation is that Israel has apparently not been successful in coming with anything with which to blackmail him into total submission.

  161. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    Yeah – that’s not a fringe (or extreme) position actually. It’s pretty much down the line – even through al-Azhar, which is very careful about this. There are limits to heterodoxy – claiming a messenger came after the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) disqualifies anyone with that belief (or stating something like Moses [pbuh] was not a prophet, etc.). Funny thing is, in praxis they are straight-up Hanafi school – weird…

    Note, they are not considered apostates though, maybe the first generation was, but their children are simply born into a religion that is not Islam.

    Now that is all with the understanding of the popular original belief of the Ahmadiyyah that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a new messenger or prophet. I am sure many of those that are called Ahmadiyyah do not believe that specific point or even know about that belief in which case they are likely normal Muslims. Belief is an individual state and cannot be determined on a group level.

    Here is a good read on the matter…
    https://sandala.org/sticks-and-drones-may-break-our-bones-but-fitna-really-hurts-us/

    和平:

  162. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Sam Shama

    Spencer and Geller ARE Israel’s shills, there is no doubt about it and as such their approach must be questioned. But Robert, to his credit, if my memory doesn’t fail me, was openly opposed to the invasion of Iraq. But here is another facet of this whole problem with Islam: none other than Irina Yarovaya, the chair of State Duma’s Security and Anti-Corruption Committee, who always extolled Islam’s contribution to Russian culture (in reality contribution was not by Islam but by thoroughly Russified Muslims) was publicly, last year, on Russia’s most popular talk show–The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov–in a front of tens of millions of viewers, forced to squeeze out of herself that, and I quote: “Yes, we do have problems not just with terrorism but with Islam”. Believe me, this coming from, however politically prosti …ahem opportunistic, former uber-liberal from Yabloko Party is worth several Robert Spencer’s books. Muslims do a helluva job themselves to demonstrate a real Islam’s face and with 80+ % of them thinking that Sharia must be enforced and with other (from the top of my head) 30 to 40% thinking that it is OK to murder for apostasy and “offending” Quran and prophet. Oh boy, we are talking about hundreds of millions of people who would find it totally OK to rape German or Swedish women, especially if their euro-men are sexually confused.

    • 同意: Marcus
  163. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    further mutations of Islam which each time are presented as non-representative of it

    Ahem – a Christian is telling us about religious splintering. LOL!

    Bro, a Muslim holds the keys to the holiest of Christian churches because Christian monks get into fist fights:
    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

    We’ll get through this inshaAllah – this is nothing compared to what happened in the Thirty Years War.

    while in reality Islam sanctions it, in fact, very often mandates

    Sure, according to you, Clyde and Spencer and – wait for it – Daesh!! Who to believe? You guys or the scholars having studied this for the entire lives and paying the price at the hands of extremists for denouncing them? Hmmmm…
    http://www.voanews.com/a/anti-extremist-scholar-escapes-deadly-attack-in-bangladesh/3408946.html

    Basically your entire argument boils down to; Islam is really bad, because look at Daesh and man – they are the true followers of Islam…it’s a familiar – if old – tune…keep singing it.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  164. Sam Shama 说:
    @Marcus

    You may be right. However, I’d base it on the fact that Jews are overwhelmingly liberal, and for whatever reasons of history, and an argumentation based culture, understand the dangers posed by people like Spencer and Pamela Gellar.

    Anders Brevik, the Oslo mass murderer, in his manifesto https://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/07/24/National-Politics/Graphics/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

    quoted extensively from the writings of European and American bloggers — including Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller — who promote a conspiratorial anti-Muslim agenda under the pretext of fighting radical Islam. Because of the reach of the Internet, these ideas float freely across borders and are reinforced by like-minded bigots.

    • 回复: @RobinG
  165. Unz Reader 说:

    Israel always wins America’s presidential elections. I wish I could say that about America.

    • 同意: Andrei Martyanov
  166. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站

    基本上你的整个论点归结为

    “It is legitimate to judge event by the outcome for it is the soundest criterion”(c) Carl Von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege. This method is also known, much earlier than Vom Kriege was written, from a somewhat ancient history:

    “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?”

    马太福音 7:16-20 钦定版 (KJV)

    Ahh, this damn Christian determinism with their haram cause and effect. No wonder Muslims strive to get their hands on those Infidels’ achievements, because they cannot produce those on their own no matter how they try. Then they get frustrated and… we know the rest of the story. I deliberately mentioned here such words as Kondopoga and Sagra.

    • 回复: @Talha
  167. Avery 说:
    @Talha

    哟,塔拉:

    {Best thing for everyone of us to support is a complete nuclear disarmament ….}

    Noble thought, except no country which has nukes will agree to get rid of them. And many who don’t are or will be trying to get them.

    After WW2, the world was spared a couple of world wars thanks to nukes. With no nukes, is there any doubt that NATO/US would have invaded or attacked SU?

    China and Japan; India and Pakistan,…. there would be large wars all over the world. There were proxy wars for sure, like Viet Nam. But world wars would be far more destructive.

    Russia will never give up her nukes, because no promise by US to do the same would honored, and Russians know it.

    But the more countries acquire nukes, the more there is a chance of an accidental Extinction Level Event being triggered.
    And the country most responsible for the proliferation of nukes is US.
    Example: North Korea is developing nukes, because it knows US would B52 carpet bomb it to rubble with no nuke deterrent. South Korea has tried many times to approach NK, but Washington has thwarted the efforts every time. Washington needs tension and conflict all over the world to keep shoveling \$ trillions into the maw of the MIC beast. Without the perennial “threats”, the overtaxed American taxpayer might start objecting. It’s a great business for the select few who benefit from the sweat of US taxpayer.
    No competition; practically unlimited budgets; massive profits.

    Nevertheless, I agree with you in your response to [Marcus] that {First off, I’m not convinced that we won’t accidentally trigger the apocalypse. } The famous incident with the Soviet sub during the Cuban Missile Crises. Lucky there was that 3rd Soviet officer who happened to be a fleet admiral on board to override the other two, who were going to launch nuke torpedoes. I mean the lives of 10s, maybe 100s of millions people depend on luck? How absurd is that?

    And it is a little disconcerting if what is being published is true: that it took just 2 officers on a Soviet sub to authorize a nuke launch. Hopefully Russian subs require more than 2 to authorize. Had an ex US Navy buddy at one of companies I worked for. He said US Navy subs require 6 to authorize a nuke launch.

    • 回复: @Talha
  168. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    IS and related groups might be outliers in the entirety of Muslim history, but they routinely cite precedents in Mohammedan sources, see Dabiq. Taslima Nasreen, who had to flee Bangladesh said “What the Muslim world needs is not moderate Muslims but ex-Muslims.” I agree with her.

    • 回复: @Talha
  169. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    Why are you complaining about Robert Spencer’s compensation? What the hell do you care? Like I said, Spencer does a great job exposing Islam and Islamic Jihad, so more power to him. I could care less if Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, and Hindus are paying him via their donations to the David Horowitz Freedom Foundation.

    How amusing that Talah the Muslim peacenik of the phony baloney inner Jihad despises Robert Spencer. He is against the wacko Muslim extremists same as you. He is on the same side as you. You can donate money to the David Horowitz Freedom Foundation and request that it goes to support Spencer’s anti-Jihad efforts.

    • 回复: @Talha
  170. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    as an era of blackness jahiliyya by most orthodox Muslims.

    You’d be surprised…the pre-Islamic poets like Labid, Imrul-Qays, etc. have some of their works memorized by Orthodox scholars to this day. They are essential for the codification of lexical definitions and grammatical usage much as Shakespeare is with English. Remember – all of this was preserved by the Muslims themselves…they carried the only narrative out of the sands of the Hijaz. If they had wanted it banned, they could have done so.
    “The Arabic poetry of pre-Islamic Arabia was regarded for centuries afterward as the standard model for all Islamic poetic achievement, and it directly influenced literary forms in many non-Arab literatures.”
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Islamic-arts

    And yes, as far as music is concerned, musical instruments were shunned, but the Muslims worldwide composed quite a bit of it – but a lot of it was about Allah and the Prophet (pbuh) anyway. The nasheed (acapella) tradition continues to this day. And yes images of beings with souls were shunned as well, but the vast majority of Islamic art didn’t need to resort to images. Muslims embellished anything they came across; mosque walls, tapestries, shields, swords, etc. with little resort for human images.
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/maml/hd_maml.htm

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  171. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    Yo Avery,

    I totally understand where you are coming from from a practical perspective. And I certainly hope more safeguards are put in place. It is sad that my own government is likely the biggest obstacle in the way of removing these horrific weapons from history.

    But you know, South Africa gave up her Nuclear weapons voluntarily – so that gives me hope.

    和平:

  172. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    Of course they do – the Qarmatis also cited Islamic texts and so did the Khawarij – and they were straight up calling Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) an apostate! All religions suffer from this recurring problem at various times in their history.

    I don’t know much about Ms. Nasreen except this;
    1) there should have been no vigilante threats against her – period
    2) she is 54, how many children does she have? feminism strikes again

    “Apostasy, because propagating your genes is so overrated.” – Brought to you by the Apostasy Students Service of Bangladesh

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  173. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    Yes, the notion that the pre-Islamic Arabs were savages should be put to rest, look at Petra and Mada’in Saleh; well the beduin probably weren’t very cultured, but according to Herodotus they had a sense of honor at least. Interestingly, the Byzantine iconoclasm was likely inspired by the Muslims: “if we’re losing to them, maybe we should adopt it?” It was a major factor in the drift of eastern and western churches, since the mostly illiterate western population needed biblical-inspired imagery in the Pope’s estimation. Think of all the great Orthodox icons and mosaics that were lost, and then the Calvinists and other early Protestants did the same in the West a millennium later.

    • 回复: @Talha
  174. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    Yeah, wouldn’t taking over the West Bank be so much nicer if it was full of peacenik inner-Jihad Muslims. I’m sure Mr. Spencer has my best interests in mind.

    “Islam is really bad – except for the Meccan part – you guys should only practice Meccan Islam.” I’ve heard that before.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  175. Art 说:
    @Clyde

    Why are you complaining about Robert Spencer’s compensation? What the hell do you care? Like I said, Spencer does a great job exposing Islam and Islamic Jihad, so more power to him.

    克莱德

    The Shama Jews fear anybody that pumps fear and hate into the masses, because facts being what they are, eventually that fear and hate has to lead to Jews.

    Shama was well schooled in the arts of hate from a very young age. As a boy he was terrorized by his Big Jew culture. The poor boy was traumatized into fearing and hating all of humanity. He is now someone who is permanently separated from humanity, and a thoughtless Zionist zombie fighting a rearguard action, doing what he can to maintain the Zionist enterprise.

    His conscious mind knows that Zionism is very wrong – but his terrorized subconscious mind overrides any thought of really breaking with Zionism.

    p.s. He probably subjected his own children to the same terror. How sad. So the problem just goes on and on. His children can not join humanity in peace. Double sad.

    艺术

  176. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    I believe there were fatwas issued against her, which fits the Muslim tradition going back to Muhammad. I’m not a fan of feminism, but countries like Bangladesh certainly don’t need baby booms, a lot of the problems in the Third World are probably due to large populations straining resources and pushing down wages. The Muslims of the Indian subcontinent are heirs to the great traditions of the Dharmic civilizations, maybe they can rediscover these. Like Anwar Shaikh (Pakistani who became a Hindu) said

    穆罕默德·本·卡西姆(Muhammad bin Qasim)作为征服者进入信德的那一天,一定是印度历史上最不祥、最可憎和最令人发指的时刻,印度骄傲、虔诚和强大的传统一直是世界文明的火炬手。 印度人习惯于享受ahimsa的温暖,对阿拉伯掠夺者抢劫富人和勾引土著少女的暴力行为感到震惊。 然而具有讽刺意味的是,他们以至善至上和公正的真主的名义做了这一切,当他们致力于折磨非信徒时,他们将这些重罪视为公平行为。

    http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Islamic_Onslaught.htm

    • 回复: @Clyde
    , @Talha
  177. Clyde 说:
    @Marcus

    印度人习惯于享受ahimsa的温暖,对阿拉伯掠夺者抢劫富人和勾引土著少女的暴力行为感到震惊。 然而具有讽刺意味的是,他们以至善至上和公正的真主的名义做了这一切,当他们致力于折磨非信徒时,他们将这些重罪视为公平行为。

    狮子和其他食肉食肉动物会捕食素食放牧动物。 你所说的佛法文明是/是素食者或主要是素食者。 入侵的穆斯林军队从肉食到杂食。 他们是印度印度教徒的掠夺者,这就是印度大部分地区在持续几个世纪的战争和战斗中变成穆斯林的原因,在这些战争和战斗中,80 万印度教徒被杀,无数印度教圣地和寺庙被毁。 80 万印度教徒听起来很高。 大约有 40 万人被杀,为帝国主义穆斯林 lebensraum 进行种族清洗。
    几乎所有来自印度/巴基斯坦的穆斯林的祖先都是印度教徒。 被强行改信伊斯兰教的人。 塔尔哈此前曾表示,他的祖先并非如此。

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Talha
  178. Marcus 说:
    @Clyde

    They were too naive even after previous (though less extensive) invasions. Gandhi had learned nothing after 1200 years. That’s not to say none of them fought back, the Marathas reconquered virtually all of the subcontinent from the Mughals before falling to the British: so India is one of the few civilizations to ever throw back the jihadi wave, the others being Spain, Austria and Russia. You have to admire their perseverance considering they faced much larger and more brutal Muslim armies than Europe did for the most part.

  179. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    Maybe a more peaceful movement would attract more international support? I’m mostly neutral on the issue: but my guess is suicide bombings and such turn off would-be sympathizers. An Arab Muslim I spoke to said that the repeated defeats of progressive socialist governments by Israel were a huge factor in the rise of fundamentalism in the region.

    • 回复: @Talha
  180. Article I Section 9 Clause 8 of the Constitution of the United States says:
    Clause 8. No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State. 
    If an all expense paid tour to the Zionist state of Israel, with or without brainwashing is not an emolument (not to mention a bribe) what is? Although an amendment removing the words ” …without the Consent of Congress,… ” might need to be added.

  181. RobinG 说:

    OT, but here goes, and there’s a Muslim angle. 🙂

    奥巴马 - 杜特尔特爆炸:企业媒体没有得到什么
    作者:韦恩·马德森,09 年 09 月 2016 日

    “The breakdown in relations between the Philippines, a former and much-abused American colony, and the United States is based on renewed Philippines nationalism, a disgust by Duterte for the selective human rights agenda of the Obama administration, and the Philippines leader’s antipathy for those schooled in Muslim beliefs in neighboring Indonesia……….”

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @KA
  182. KA 说:
    @Clyde

    1 Geller and Spencer’s work actually shaped Breivik’s ideas, Walt explains –

    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/geller-and-spencers-work-actually-shaped-breiviks-ideas-walt-explains/#sthash.00Yy4NvR.dpuf

    Jewish Communal Fund, a mainstream philanthropic fund that describes itself as “dedicated to the welfare and security of the Jewish community at home and abroad,” has funded Geller’s work. JCF’s annual tax filings show contributions of \$30,000 in the 2012 tax year and \$70,000 in the 2013 tax year, the last tax year for which filings are available, directed to Geller’s AFDI [American Freedom Defense Initiative].

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/jewish-communal-islamophobia/#sthash.OHTNvqLN.dpuf

    The Clarion Fund, an offshoot of the Jewish Orthodox fundamentalist Aish HaTorah, gained notoriety for its distribution of the film “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West” to 28 million swing state voters before the 2008 presidential election between then-Sen. Barack Obama, an Illinois Democrat, and Sen. John McCain, a Republican in Arizona. The film’s central thesis was that fundamentalist Islam is as bad as, if not worse than, Nazism. –

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/jewish-communal-islamophobia/#sthash.OHTNvqLN.dpuf

    她(盖勒)利用她的名气,在福克斯新闻(伊斯兰恐惧症行业的主要参与者)的推动下,创建了跨大陆的反伊斯兰激进分子网络。 盖勒的犯罪伙伴罗伯特·斯宾塞(Robert Spencer)也是莱恩关注的焦点。 “像罗伯特·斯宾塞、丹尼尔·派普斯或马丁·克莱默这样的人,都是网络上的仇视伊斯兰教的人,他们将彼此的帖子和文章传播给自己的听众,”莱恩写道。 “每点击一次鼠标,故事就会增长。”

    -http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/an-industry-built-on-hate-how-the-right-wing-successfully-brought-anti-muslim-bigotry-into-the-american-mainstream/# sthash.OC92gYF1.dpuf

    但斯宾塞从未研究过伊斯兰教。 他拥有北卡罗来纳大学与早期基督教相关的宗教研究硕士学位。

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/09/fraudsters-new-report-highlights-how-islamophobes-have-no-expertise-in-the-religion-they-claim-to-know/#sthash.hWZ36en8.dpuf

    Spencer coauthored book with Geller,hates Obama’s support for Palestinian state .

    * Spencer 在 2008 年出版了一本名为 Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam Is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs 的书。

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/24/islamophobia-in-america/

    Besides providing the initial energy for the Islamophobic crusade, conservative elements from within the pro-Israel lobby bankrolled the network’s apparatus, enabling it to influence the national debate. One philanthropist in particular has provided the beneficence to propel the campaign ahead. He is a little-known Los Angeles-area software security entrepreneur named Aubrey Chernick, who operates out of a security consulting firm blandly named the National Center for Crisis and Continuity Coordination. A former trustee of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, which has served as a think tank for the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a frontline lobbying group for Israel, Chernick is said to be worth \$750 million.

    通过费尔布鲁克基金会(他和他的妻子乔伊斯控制的私人实体),切尔尼克向反诽谤联盟 (ADL) 和 CAMERA(一个右翼、亲以色列的媒体监督机构)和暴力组织提供资金。居住在巴勒斯坦土地上的以色列定居者和像伪学术作家罗伯特斯宾塞这样的人物,他主要负责普及有关穆斯林狂热分子即将征服西方的阴谋论,以寻求建立全球哈里发。

    According to the website Politico, almost \$1 million in donations from Chernick has been steered to Spencer’s Jihad Watch group through David Horowitz’s Freedom Center.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/20/the-great-fear-2/

    • 回复: @annamaria
  183. RobinG 说:
    @Sam Shama

    你好山姆,

    This is carryover from previous thread. It’s J-Street kind of stuff, but, having to make a choice I put it on the positive stack.

    http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/israeli-figures-ask-diaspora-to-help-end-the-occupation/
    打电话的人包括高级前官员和特使、部长、作家、艺术家和教授

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  184. Sam Shama 说:
    @RobinG

    嗨罗宾,
    民族主义正在席卷全球。

    上周一我在一个晚宴上,卡尔·罗夫是受邀的演讲者。 他回答了某人的问题:特朗普的我的立场是这样的:如果特朗普获胜,美国驻以色列大使馆将搬到耶路撒冷。 坦率地说,他指出这是对阿德尔森的承诺。
    [我希望明天以特朗普为演讲者参加 NYEcon 俱乐部午餐,并直接向他提出同样的问题,我很清楚我将受到一些出席者的愤怒; 他们知道我的感受。]

    对于您的评论:“山姆,如果是犹太和平,通过镇压或驱逐来安抚,那么您对和平的渴望就毫无意义,但我认为您不是那个意思。 太糟糕了,你对旧的错误和不公正如此屈服。”

    你是对的我 根本就是这个意思。 我没有辞职,更像是选择战斗的时机和地形以获得更好的赔率。

  185. Sam Shama 说:
    @RobinG

    是的,它正在缓慢发生。 之前我注意到以色列国防军总参谋部的心情:
    https://www.unz.com/article/fifty-one-foreign-service-officers-cant-be-wrong/?highlight=IDF#comment-1464000

    关键是不要引起内塔尼亚胡的强烈反应,而是要削弱。 我的观点是:1948 年很简单。 如果目标是让 Pals 成为一个宜居的交易,那么从 1967 年开始,而不是 1948 年,[这并不排除对 1948 年流离失所的人的补偿,只是关于 RoR 的论点没有任何用处]

    • 回复: @iffen
  186. KA [又名“迦太基”] 说:
    @Clyde

    1 美国总统弗朗索瓦·奥朗德 (Francois Hollande) 周日表示,美国对 9/11 袭击事件的反应增强了而不是击败了圣战者的威胁,伊拉克战争的后果现在在饱受恐怖袭击的法国身上感受到了,因为美国纪念了毁灭性袭击发生 15 周年在纽约和华盛顿特区。

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-response-to-911-increased-global-terror-threat-hollande/

    在深夜向全国发表讲话时,法国总统弗朗索瓦·奥朗德将尼斯发生的致命“恐怖袭击”与伊拉克和叙利亚的冲突联系起来——并表示法国将在今天的悲剧发生后加强在那里的军事行动。
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/french-president-links-nice-attack-iraq-syria-conflict/story?id=40597252

    谁故意搞砸了战后伊拉克?

    2 “首先,我们入侵伊拉克不是为了带来民主——但是一旦我们推翻了萨达姆,我们就知道接下来应该做什么,”赖斯回应道。 “如果唐和五角大楼完成了他们的工作(在声称领导战后重建的权利之后 - 事情可能会有所不同)。”

    鲍威尔回应赖斯的批评,说“乐队中的男孩都脑死亡了。”

    “道格和保罗声称他们有一个计划(将伊拉克和我们的军队交给查利比)然后离开,”鲍威尔写道,似乎指的是布什政府官员道格·费思、保罗·沃尔福威茨和去年去世的已故伊拉克政治家艾哈迈德·查拉比.

    “43 知道必须做什么,”鲍威尔继续说道,指的是乔治·W·布什总统,“特别拒绝了 Chalibi 人群,正如你所说,乐队中的男孩都脑死亡了。”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/rice-if-rumsfeld-pentagon-had-done-their-job-iraq-might-have?utm_term=.rkkPaQJKzg#.py0kW3Ql1b

    4 Micheal Ledeen 不是要求更多的混乱吗?难道不是他要求在理智的人预测混乱时尽快向我释放毁灭的大锅吗?

    3 谁下令煽动伊拉克混乱? 我们应该问问布伦纳。

    他应该打电话给奥朗德,让他知道他有多失望,以及奥朗德是如何为恐怖提供救助的。 斯宾塞和盖勒现在会对奥朗德非常不满——奥朗德怎么可能无视他们所有的恳求著作和教育?
    -

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  187. KA [又名“迦太基”] 说:
    @RobinG

    “如果杜特尔特在 2016 年获胜,他将成为马拉坎南宫第一位可以声称代表该国三人——基督徒、穆斯林和 Lumads 的人。

    杜特尔特是一位虔诚的天主教徒,他的父亲、前总督维森特·杜特尔特是一位纯蓝色的宿雾人,而他的母亲、已故的索莱达·罗阿·杜特尔特 (Soledad Roa Duterte) 身上既有马拉瑙 (Maranao) 又有卡马约 (Camayo) 的血统。

    Maranaos是菲律宾南部居住在Lanao湖周边或附近的部落之一,他们信奉伊斯兰教,而Camayos是Surigao和Agusan的部落人民。

    杜特尔特的女族长出生在北阿古桑卡巴巴兰的一个有华人、马拉瑙和卡马约血统的家庭。

    杜特尔特的长子保罗也娶了一个陶苏格-马拉瑙女孩,他的孩子们都信奉伊斯兰教。

    “我有穆斯林和基督徒的孙子孙女,”杜特尔特曾在解释为什么他希望看到菲律宾南部冲突结束时说。

    杜特尔特对穆斯林和部落人民表示同情的背后可能是与边缘化的菲律宾群体的血缘关系。” http://duterte.net/2015/11/29/dutertes-moro-ip-blood-and-the-search-for-peace/

    我认为亚洲时间在线出现了类似的信息

    • 回复: @Talha
  188. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    不过,你正在那里做一些事情。 我最近和一位来自塞内加尔的朋友交谈过。 他住在巴黎、纽约和芝加哥,并计划在几年内搬回达喀尔。 我很惊讶,但他说塞内加尔很稳定,也很干净(透明国际(https://www.transparency.org/country/%5D 与意大利并列,甚至优于许多东欧国家)。 他说,很多功劳归功于学者和苏菲教团(尤其是 Sh. Ahmadu Bamba [ra]),他们通过非暴力手段抵抗法国人,甚至有时与他们合作,同时向人们灌输非常努力的职业道德。 法国人离开后,命令(Muridiyya 是最强大的)在引导人们对伊斯兰教进行相当成熟和精神上的理解方面扎下了根基——即使是最不委身的人仍然在那里祈祷五次。 他说,即使是许多萨拉菲派在那里也很冷淡。 他还说,很多人一开始对非暴力方法存有疑虑,特别是因为 Tijaniyyah 拿起武器反对他们(当然输了),但很难与结果争论。

    我完全同意自杀式爆炸——必须停止——统计!

    和平:

  189. Talha 说:
    @KA

    感谢您的链接,迦太基。 我真诚地希望这场旷日持久的冲突能够和平结束。

    和平:

  190. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    毫无疑问,大量印度教徒在入侵中丧生,许多寺庙被洗劫——突厥草原勇士何时在这方面玩过儿童手套? 从一开始就有印度教徒参与入侵:
    印度教将军、士兵和学者在 Ghaznavid 宫廷中的地位也很重要。 即使是反传统的马哈茂德,也有一支由印度教官兵组成的队伍。 他丰厚地奖励了至少一位梵文诗人,并在他的宫廷中拥有印度教的班智达。 他还发行了带有梵文铭文的硬币。 在他的继任者马苏德 (Masud) 时代,印度教的地位似乎有了很大改善。”
    http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part1_02.html

    唉,你又胡说八道了:

    几乎所有来自印度/巴基斯坦的穆斯林的祖先都是印度教徒。 被强行改信伊斯兰教的人。

    BS - 引用你的来源。

    “尽管伊斯兰教经常得到国家的大力支持,但穆斯林人口的快速增长主要是由于苏菲教派的传教活动,特别是 Chishtiyah、Suhrawardiyah、Qadiriyah 和 Naqshbandiyah。”
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XbGLOaNVKHoJ:www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t253/e18+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    这就是为什么,直到今天,印度教徒都在苏菲派圣徒的坟墓中拜访并寻求祝福(这只是一个):
    “这座 16 世纪苏菲派圣人的陵墓每天看到的印度教徒比穆斯林更多。 几个世纪以来一直如此。”
    https://maptia.com/bijoyv/stories/the-islamic-shrine-where-hindus-pray

    和平:

    • 回复: @Clyde
  191. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    可能确实有针对她的教令,但你是说实际上有一个合法的合格学者的教令说她可以被任何人杀死而不受惩罚——我必须看到这一点才能相信。 或者你是说教令呼吁政府阻止和/或惩罚她——这更有可能。 你必须记住教令是什么; 它们是来自一群在社会中扮演准立法/司法角色的学者的法律意见。 就像在我们的社会中一样,法官可以做出判决,但必须由拥有行政特权/特权的人执行。 Mufti Musa Furber (db) 以印度尼西亚野生动物保护法特瓦为例解释了这种联系:
    “印度尼西亚在 2014 年发布了野生动物保护法特瓦,引起了轰动。 就其本质而言,法特瓦是一种不具约束力的意见。 野生动植物保护法特瓦如果没有在宪报上公布并执行,就毫无意义。 并且需要主动执行才能真正起到预防作用——否则,它可能会被视为企业罚款或风险。”
    http://musafurber.com/2016/08/27/indonesian-man-arrested-650-pangolins-found-dead-freezers/

    例如,从历史上看,沙菲派学者正在就那些被执政的阿拔斯当局完全忽视的问题制定一个又一个的教令,以代替他们所支持的哈纳菲学派的教令。

    印度次大陆的穆斯林是达摩文明伟大传统的继承者,也许他们可以重新发现这些。

    正确的,通过禁欲主义和严谨来获得精神状态的大部分冥想已经被尽可能多地吸收到苏菲派实践中。 我们讨论了伊玛目比鲁尼 (ra) 以及他看待和评估这些佛法传统的平衡方法。 这需要复兴。 我不认为很多穆斯林会皈依印度教(甚至比任何从基督教转向印度教的运动都要少),你会在这里和那里得到一个罕见的。 我个人遇到过皈依伊斯兰教的印度教徒,从来没有遇到过相反的人。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  192. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    我们在我的拜占庭历史课程中研究了这一集,是的,有证据表明它受到哈里发亚齐德二世的法令的启发——该法令已被他的继任者废除:
    http://lingualeo.com/es/jungle/the-iconoclastic-edict-caliph-yazid-ii-ad-721-by-aa-vasiliev-432970#/page/1

    想想所有丢失的伟大的东正教图标和马赛克

    正确和Daesh正在进行破坏,浪费了几个世纪的人类合作努力来保护这些东西。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
  193. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    唉……你知道的,你有一些非常有力的批评,然后你根据赖利先生完全误解了一个他零专业知识的问题,提出了这个稻草人的胡说八道。

    决定论与他们的圣地因果关系

    我在一位穆夫提的指导下学习了 aqeedah(伊斯兰信条),他是已故大马士革学者 Shaykh Adib Kallas (ra) 一位杰出的神学家,他是这门科学的大师(所以我对我们的信仰有所了解): http://seekershub.org/blog/2009/10/shaykh-adib-kallas-died-today-october-21-2009-one-of-the-foremost-scholars-of-our-times/

    你在说穆斯林否认可观察的因果关系的胡说八道——逊尼派东正教否认的是存在于上帝旨意之外的事物中的因果关系(在它们本身或它们的本质上)。 因此,信仰是,虽然上帝确实通过他的全能创造了原因和结果,并将两者融合在一起——通过他的智慧,他允许它遵循通常的模式——同时能够随时打破模式。 这在实践中意味着什么? 不多,一个穆斯林化学家会继续他的工作,观察一种化合物以一种可预测的方式与另一种化合物相互作用,同时内心相信上帝是他眼睛看到的一切背后的真正原因,他可以奇迹般地暂停正常的因果关系任何时候的关系。 因此,一个处女可以在两个世纪前的某个地方在巴勒斯坦生下一个男孩,而无需求助于必要的“Y”染色体。

    读者注意:这不是辩论,我只是陈述立场,将它从上面暗示的离谱描述中解放出来,你可以随意大笑。

    而这一切都在牛顿的层面上——这是伊本·拉什德 (ra) 和理性主义者运作的地方。 一旦你深入到量子层面(我记得我在加州大学洛杉矶分校的量子理论介绍​​——让我大吃一惊),所有的赌注都没有了。 试着假设一个预先决定的因果关系——太糟糕了,你正在处理结果的概率——没有什么是一成不变的。 在原子内部,Imam Ghazali (ra) 和 Ashari-Maturidis 获得最高收费:
    “此外,他们同意世界上的事件并非严格可预测的。 两者都接受这样的想法,即出乎意料的、不可预测的事情可能并且确实会发生。 根据 Al-Ghazali 的解释,上帝是无所不能的,并且每时每刻都参与世界,因此可以导致任何事情发生。 量子理论的哥本哈根解释说,不可能根据物理定律预测物体的确切行为。 因此,虽然人们可能期望铅球在落下时会掉下来,但球很有可能会上升。 al-Ghazali 和哥本哈根解释都怀疑青色物体的独立存在。 ”
    过去和现在的因果关系:Al-Ghazali 和量子理论
    http://www.ghazali.org/articles/harding-V10N2-Summer-93.pdf

    “作为原子理论,量子力学可能是科学史上最成功的理论。 它使物理学家、化学家和技术人员能够计算和预测大量实验的结果,并基于对原子物体行为的洞察创造新的先进技术。 但它也是一种挑战我们想象力的理论。 它似乎违反了经典物理学的一些基本原则,自文艺复兴时期现代世界观兴起以来,这些原则最终已成为西方常识的一部分。”
    “显然,我们生活在一个量子世界中,因为一切都是由原子和亚原子粒子构成的。 因此,经典物理学似乎只是对一个在所有尺度上都是量子力学的世界的有用近似。 许多现代物理学家支持的这种观点可以称为量子原教旨主义(Zinkernagel 即将出版)。 它可以定义为一个包含两个组成部分的位置:(1)宇宙中的一切事物本质上都是量子性质的(本体论组成部分); (2) 宇宙中的一切最终都可以用量子力学术语来描述(认识论的组成部分)”
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-copenhagen/

    和平:

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  194. MEexpert 说:
    @Clyde

    克莱德,我不知道你在抽什么烟,但你的事实都是错误的。 中东破坏和混乱的原因不是伊朗,而是以色列和美国。 以色列是最大的恐怖主义国家。 50 多年来,他们一直在恐吓巴勒斯坦人。 他们杀害了全世界的巴勒斯坦人和伊朗人(工程师和科学家)。 基地组织和现在的伊斯兰国是由美国和以色列创建的。 这些团体得到美国、以色列的支持,并得到沙特阿拉伯的资助。 美国及其代理人以色列和沙特阿拉伯是恐怖主义的最大出口国。

    你也完全不了解伊斯兰教和穆斯林。 不幸的是,唯一被洗脑的人是美国人民。 他们被以色列及其支持者(AIPAC 等)彻底洗脑,这就是为什么他们继续为一个不在乎他们的国家而死(想想自由号航空母舰)。

  195. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    印度的印度教徒看起来像印度/巴基斯坦的穆斯林,所以那里的大多数穆斯林都来自印度教徒的强迫皈依。 如果您愿意,请继续告诉我您在印巴地区由于苏菲派(笑)传教士和强迫皈依而成为穆斯林的当今穆斯林的百分比。 您对此有何看法?

    令人遗憾的是,老海盗穆罕默德没有任何苏菲派传教士帮助他在 7 世纪将中东的基督徒转变为回教。 如此多的流血本可以避免,因为耶稣的追随者肯定会被所谓的最后先知所吸引。

    • 回复: @Talha
  196. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Talha

    我真的很感谢你对量子力学的探索,但仅供参考,我确实有 Michio Kaku 或 Greene(即隐藏的现实)的书,其中有很多。 但我,作为一个非常简单的人,靠“近似”和有时是概括为生,这是伊斯兰教比任何智力练习更重要(和紧迫)的表现:

    • 回复: @Talha
  197. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    即使将印度教定义为宗教也很棘手,你可以说印度的所有土著传统都是“印度教”,因此从来没有任何皈依或叛教的教义。 一个印度教徒可以想象地崇敬耶稣、穆罕默德、摩西等,事实上很多人都这样。 梨俱吠陀说:“真理是一体的,虽然圣人对它的了解各不相同。” 然而,在 19 世纪后期,一些受民族主义启发的运动形成,试图让穆斯林和基督徒重新回归,但这是一场艰苦的战斗。 异教和多神教的宽容本质使其在面对垄断和侵略性的亚伯拉罕信仰时处于不利地位。 对于次大陆部分地区以外的大多数穆斯林来说,向基督教过渡可能更容易,虽然我反对所有亚伯拉罕宗教,但我认为这是两害相权取其轻。 然而,在大多数穆斯林国家,反对传教和叛教的法律很难获得太多关注。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  198. annamaria 说:
    @KA

    谢谢你提供的事实材料。
    好战的犹太教与好战的伊斯兰教或好战的基督教没有什么不同。 ziocons 的行为类似于宗教改革时期宗教裁判所的行为; 通过对“他人”造成死亡和痛苦来行使所谓的意识形态纯洁性。

    中东正在发生的悲剧的主要理论家和啦啦队长的名字不容忽视:以色列先行者和犹太复国主义者的名字占主导地位不言而喻。
    美国 ziocons 已经成功地将中东问题带入了欧洲,并为美国/以色列/欧盟的不幸事件(实际上是战争罪)摧毁了正式运作的中东国家,从而使欧盟背负了责任。
    AIPAC、ADL、霍洛维茨的自由中心等到处都是疯子,他们的主要成就是中东无辜平民的血河和血肉山,包括数万甚至数十万儿童。 — 多么可怕的犹太复国主义纪念碑。

    • 回复: @Andrei Martyanov
  199. annamaria 说:
    @KA

    是的,Micheal Ledeen,Gladio 行动的名人。
    Ledeed 与 Kagans 类似(参见他们在乌克兰的功绩)在接受纳粹主义方面从未遇到任何问题。

    “Gladio(或意大利语中的‘Sword’)这个名字在技术上是他们在意大利的业务的名称,但后来被扩展为代表整个现象。 瑞士历史学家丹尼尔·甘瑟 (Daniele Ganser) 在其 2004 年的著作《北约的秘密军队》(NATO's Secret Armies) 中详细记录了证据……甘瑟的书中包含的证据表明,由北约资助和组织的秘密军队对人民实施恐怖主义,并对北约内部的深层国家分子负责,军情六处和中央情报局而不是各自的政府是如此令人震惊,以至于大多数人的最初反应是拒绝它......
    新的 恐怖爆炸 事实证明,五角大楼的规划者能够将他们自己(想象的或妄想的)对左翼崛起的恐惧转化为对民众非常真实和具体的恐惧......正如分析中所见,秘密战争涵盖了这样一个事实,即在没有入侵的情况下,留守网络也曾作为在民众中散播恐惧的工具。 在某些情况下,秘密军队充当了一个几乎完美的操纵系统,将五角大楼和北约高级军官的恐惧传递给了西欧民众。 ……残酷和恐怖被用来控制铁幕两边的人口……”
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio

    黄色蛋糕和黑​​色衬衫:迈克尔·莱丁与“Gladio”有关
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104×4081269

  200. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @annamaria

    AIPAC、ADL、霍洛维茨的自由中心等到处都是疯子,他们的主要成就是中东无辜平民的血流成河和血肉成山,其中包括数万甚至数十万儿童。 — 多么可怕的犹太复国主义纪念碑。

    我一次又一次地重申——如果没有福音派旧约的权利,就不可能有这样的战犯集合,它认为自己是唯一真正的、100% 美国农业部批准的美国人。 这是在地狱中建立的联盟。 他们也认为自己是真正的基督徒。

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    , @annamaria
  201. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    从 1967 年开始,而不是 1948 年

    1967 有什么特别之处? 为什么不是2016年? 为什么不是2025? 如果接受 1967 年的边界,那么在任何时候(包括未来)不接受“任何”附加兼并的理由是什么?

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  202. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    当然,这不是基督教毁灭的唯一例子,还有宗教改革和反异教迫害掠夺或摧毁寺庙。 http://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2014/07/the-breaking-of-images/ 然而,我不认为你可以将它与回教(或犹太教)相提并论,因为基督教本质上不是律法主义的,它的反人类元素没有被编入信仰的一部分,因此伟大的雕塑和肖像画(更不用说音乐)可以重生在欧洲,但永远不会重生在穆斯林世界。 基督徒最终可以挖掘伟大的希腊罗马文明,然后挖掘世界其他地区的文明,供所有人欣赏,而大多数穆斯林对他们在埃及或现在的巴基斯坦的直系祖先一无所知,甚至不屑一顾。

    • 同意: Andrei Martyanov
    • 回复: @Talha
  203. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    男孩和女孩,这就是为什么我们需要将逻辑作为核心学科带入我们的教育系统。 谢天谢地,我作为 CS&E 专业的学生接触到了它。

    印度的印度教徒看起来像印度/巴基斯坦的穆斯林,所以那里的大多数穆斯林都来自印度教徒的强迫皈依。

    潜在的假设是,如果一个人自愿转换,则转换表型,如果他们被迫转换……我会让每个人都考虑一下。

    您对此有何看法?

    粗略估计……基于有关该主题的所有学术阅读材料,并具有以下重点:
    1)Shaf​​i'i学校在管理上被Hanafi取代
    2)许多苏菲派教师和命令的有据可查的工作
    3) 阿富汗入侵在游戏中很晚(18 世纪中叶)——他们以被迫皈依而闻名
    4)即使在莫卧儿完全统治下,绝大多数印度人仍选择保持印度教的事实

    绝大多数(那些皈依者)很容易愿意皈依(现在其中许多肯定是那些皈依以获得更好的社会地位或减轻税收负担的​​人)。 对于这种概括,我求助于理查德·伊顿 (Richard Eaton) 的这部著作《伊斯兰教的兴起和孟加拉边境,1204-1760 年》——其内容在这里在线(特别是他对印度四种皈依理论的讨论和分析):
    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft067n99v9&chunk.id=ch05&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch05&brand=eschol

    “如果伊斯兰化曾经是军事或政治力量的一种功能,人们会期望那些受穆斯林王朝统治最密集、时间最长的地区——也就是那些最完全暴露在‘剑’之下的地区——会今天的穆斯林人数最多。 然而,情况恰恰相反,因为那些发生最剧烈伊斯兰化的地区,如孟加拉东部或旁遮普西部,位于印度穆斯林统治的边缘,那里的“剑”是最弱的,在那里可以施加蛮力影响最小。 在这些地区,第一次准确的人口普查报告显示,穆斯林人口占总人口的 70% 至 90%,而在恒河上游平原穆斯林统治的中心地带——德里堡和泰姬陵的领地,穆斯林政权在那里统治最密集、时间最长——穆斯林人口只有 10% 到 15% 不等。 换言之,在整个次大陆,穆斯林政治渗透程度与伊斯兰化程度之间存在反比关系。 即使在孟加拉,这个原则也适用。”

    没有任何苏菲派传教士

    他的同伴是最初的苏菲派,您可以尝试找到任何苏菲派教团,它们的链条无法追溯到他们中的一个或多个。

    和平:

    我会回答我自己的问题; Uwaisi 教团确实(有点)追溯到一个与他们同时代的人,但从未亲自见过先知(pbuh)。

    • 回复: @Clyde
  204. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    甚至将印度教定义为宗教也很棘手

    或者印度作为一个“国家”——它更像是欧洲。 我有一个来自喀拉拉邦的同事——与印度其他地区完全不同的习俗、神灵和庆祝活动。

    那些试图让穆斯林和基督徒重新回到圈子里的人

    这很愚蠢,因为正如您所说 - 如果每个人都可以通过自己的道路达到真理,那还有什么意义。 只要他们让你一个人呆着,谁在乎呢?

    异教和多神教的宽容本质使其在面对垄断和侵略性的亚伯拉罕信仰时处于不利地位。

    它也可能非常不宽容,但我绝对承认这种压力。 我会说多神教本质上是包容性的(你也有神吗?带来他们!)。 汉志的异教徒在卡巴有许多不同的偶像(阿拉伯各地区的)。 但话又说回来,你必须将你的多神信仰与人类的后原子时代相吻合——祝你好运。 我不知道我遇到的任何受过教育的印度教徒实际上相信这种叙述的真实性(也许有些存在),就像我遇到的任何希腊人一样,他们希望奥林匹斯山寻找宙斯的迹象。

    大多数穆斯林可能更容易过渡到基督教

    是的,但根据我的经验,大多数人都变成了无神论者或不可知论者(与 tawhid 一起长大通常似乎对三位一体神的概念有预防作用)并在网上搜索——实际上相当左派。

    和平:

  205. @Andrei Martyanov

    我完全同意,思慕雪!

    犹太人只能在以基督教为主的国家中蓬勃发展……这就是他们发明基督教的原因,以便他们拥有一个庞大且永久的 Goyim 寄宿实体以供养。 他们创造了斯科菲尔德圣经,这样他们就可以将他们的长鼻更深入地插入基督教东道国,加剧他们的血腥狂欢。

    • 回复: @Andrei Martyanov
  206. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    大多数穆斯林对他们在埃及或现在的巴基斯坦的直系祖先一无所知,甚至不屑一顾。

    我同意,但这是伊斯兰精神或时代和地区政治所固有的吗? 例如,我从来没有听过波斯人、马来人或爪哇人的这种谈话,他们是穆斯林,非常了解他们的前伊斯兰遗产,并保留了他们的起源。 波斯人是众所周知的,但以爪哇人为例,他们保存了许多印度教和佛教寺庙,甚至他们独特的书面语言也幸存下来,直到荷兰人引入拉丁文字。 然而原始的爪哇文字是由 ulema 专门保存的:
    “爪哇语中的卡维这个名字的意思是‘诗人的语言’,表明它是一种受梵文影响的文学语言。 在第二次世界大战期间(1942-1945)日本占领印度尼西亚时禁止使用它。 今天,它主要由宗教学者使用。=
    http://aboutworldlanguages.com/javanese

    甚至他们独特的silat武术......

    甚至他们的清真寺也是以他们的人民完全独特的本土风格建造的:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=javanese+mosque&espv=2&biw=1344&bih=791&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdqIee55HPAhUSz2MKHfpzDSUQsAQIKQ

    与印度的许多清真寺相比,与本土建筑相比,这些清真寺似乎是在别处建造并运往那里的。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Marcus
  207. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous Smith

    你所描述的(以及我所指的)是一个严格意义上的美国人,即美国,现象——极端绝对的新教。 在其他地方,而不是在美国,基督教的观点截然不同,而且不是以以色列为中心。 美国福音派牧师试图在俄罗斯布道——但惨遭失败。 问自己一个问题为什么。 除了纯粹的神学之外,答案在于国家经验的范围内。

    • 回复: @Anonymous Smith
  208. Talha 说:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Kaku 博士很棒,他的文章甚至视频对于大多数公众来说都是很容易获得的。 所以我很困惑,如果你已经很清楚确定性因果关系基础假设中的(1930 年代之后的)问题——为什么你继续提出这个作为试图指出穆斯林落后的工具(这个是您这样做的第二个线程)?

    ……我不是真的在期待答案,这比什么都更具修辞性……

    至于视频,嗯……你想让我验证那个愚蠢吗? 把他们踢出去! 感谢上帝,这是欧洲,希望只会有驱逐出境而不是大屠杀。

    无论如何,我尊重并感谢您保持文明。

    愿上帝保佑你和你的。

  209. Art 说:

    1967 有什么特别之处? 为什么不是2016年? 为什么不是2025? 如果接受 1967 年的边界,那么在任何时候(包括未来)不接受“任何”附加兼并的理由是什么?

    以色列是否处于分裂的边缘?
    乔纳森·库克

    15 年 2016 月 XNUMX 日“信息交换所”——以色列是否正处于内战的边缘,正如越来越多的以色列评论员所暗示的那样,其犹太人口因占领的未来而深深分裂?

    一方面是一场新的和平运动,即 50 岁的决定,挤满了前政治和安全领导人。 前总理埃胡德·巴拉克(Ehud Barak)似乎正在寻求政治卷土重来,他可能仍会成为其傀儡。

    ...

    ...

    在掌权多年后,右翼越来越自信。 它认为,无论是在国内还是国外,无休止地对巴勒斯坦人施加压力都没有付出任何代价。

    以色列温和派不得不面对痛苦的现实,即他们的国家并不是他们想象的中东开明前哨。 他们现在可能会发出抗议的声音,但是,如果民意调查是正确的,大多数人最终将服从于右翼实现其大以色列愿景的实现。

    那些无法忍受这样结果的人将不得不停止模棱两可并选择一边。 他们可以离开,正如一些人已经在做的那样,或者留下来战斗——不是为了一场无法解决任何问题的虚假公投,而是为巴勒斯坦人民要求尊严和自由。

    更多:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45473.htm

    50 岁的决定 — 善良的以色列犹太人希望在西岸有加萨二世。 这些人是多么道德的垃圾!

  210. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    是的,我听说爪哇木偶剧也是一种有趣的传统,并且幸存下来。 亚洲穆斯林社区在你进一步向南和向东走时一定非常融合,希望他们能够在海湾资助的强硬运动中幸存下来。 我有一个荷兰朋友,他觉得这个地区很迷人,不过我猜当地人很乐意摆脱荷兰的统治。

    • 回复: @Talha
  211. Sam Shama 说:
    @Marcus

    [异教和多神教的宽容本质使其与垄断和侵略性的亚伯拉罕信仰相比处于劣势。 ]
    犹太教不是“垄断”; 我相信你也知道,它也不会传教。

  212. Sam Shama 说:
    @iffen

    您的首选行动方案是什么? 您认为在实际实施中最有可能成功的一个

    • 回复: @Art
    , @iffen
  213. @Andrei Martyanov

    你写道:其他地方的基督教观点,不是在美国,是截然不同的,不是以以色列为中心的。

    确实如此……但犹太势力仍然在所有西方(基督教)国家发号施令。 NWO 不是犹太复国主义的东西,它是犹太人的东西。 看看这个视频…

    现在问问自己:为什么犹太复国主义者会关心欧洲的多元文化? 欧洲的多元文化主义对以色列没有任何好处。 然而它正在发生……多元文化主义正被强加于欧洲,而犹太人则是它的幕后推手。

    欧洲基督徒是否在抵制犹太人(NWO)的欧洲计划? 或者他们会同意吗? 在我看来,他们正在接受它。 哦,当然,有些基督徒对大量涌入的伊斯兰“难民”感到震惊和愤怒,其中大多数是年轻男性,但我没有看到对这种大规模移民事件有任何真正的抵抗。 事实上,我们看到教皇(那个咧着嘴笑的傻瓜)热情地倡导大量涌入以年轻的伊斯兰男性为主的欧洲白人。 为什么?

    我的观点是……福音派基督徒(犹太复国主义基督徒)是更大的犹太全球行动的一个小而重要的组成部分,也被称为新世界秩序。 正是福音派基督徒一直在为我们在过去几十年中目睹的大规模美国军事集结而奋力推动——让军工复合体感到高兴。 他们代表他们的犹太主人这样做。 但不仅仅是福音派正在帮助犹太人实施他们的 NWO,不,先生,绝大多数基督徒在这个邪恶的多代项目中扮演着绝对重要的角色,被动地允许它形成。

    这是我想让你看的另一个视频。 很难看,我知道,但看着它,让它沉入……

    现在,让我问你这个,从我们所看到的,你认为基督徒对这场大规模危机的反应,在任何方面都合适吗? 在我看来,他们的回应根本不恰当。 在我看来,基督徒是被动的无所作为……并且胆怯!

    • 回复: @Anonymous Smith
  214. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    爪哇木偶戏

    被 Wali Songo(上帝的九个朋友)广泛使用和修改,使其更符合伊斯兰教义:
    “Wali Songo 的一些人以适应当地文化而闻名。 具体来说,他们以使用 Wayang(皮影戏)而闻名……有些人认为爪哇瓦扬木偶中高度程式化的人形反映了伊斯兰教的影响,这种影响阻碍了人形的艺术表现。”
    和平的圣战:在爪哇穆斯林中协商身份和现代性

    是的——同样,这是苏菲派和逊尼派东正教(老卫兵)与萨拉菲/瓦哈比极端分子之间的相互作用。 这实际上是一篇非常好的文章:

    “他是公认的《古兰经》权威,他在芝加哥大学的博士论文以对伊本·泰米亚(Ibn Taymiyyah)的长期批评的形式,这位激进的理论家深受瓦哈比强硬派的钦佩。 对于 Cak Nur [现已去世] 来说,印度尼西亚的伊斯兰教与所谓的正统阿拉伯版本截然不同。 “印度是一个主要是印度教的国家,但大多数游客都希望看到它伟大的泰姬陵——这是一座穆斯林纪念碑。 我们是一个以穆斯林为主的国家,但我们的国家象征——婆罗浮屠和普兰巴南——是佛教和印度教。 阿拉伯世界和印度的穆斯林有着美好的过去,但我们有美好的未来。 我们必须学会将伊斯兰教与阿拉伯主义分开——打破垄断。””
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2004/01/indonesia-200401

    说得好,Nur…

    是的,他们很高兴摆脱荷兰人和日本人。 南非的大量被称为“开普马来人”的社区在对抗荷兰的圣战期间逃脱了,或者被流放到那里:
    “这种移民的起源可以追溯到十六世纪初,当时印度尼西亚的满者伯夷王国末期,欧洲的军事渗透和反伊斯兰迫害引起了抵抗,被荷兰人镇压。 这导致许多反对荷兰人的人被流放到南部非洲的好望角,那里也被他们占领。 有些还从英国、法国和葡萄牙的船只上带来或捕获。 这批人包括从东方返回荷兰的荷兰官员的马来仆人。 非洲移民的主要群体来自东非、马达加斯加和西非。 这些人中有许多是熟练的工匠,如银匠、制帽匠、鞋匠、歌手、泥瓦匠和裁缝。 这个群体后来被统称为“马来角”,尽管他们的起源不同,远至东非和马来西亚……
    绝大多数是穆斯林,被俘虏并从马达加斯加、印度、锡兰和荷属东印度群岛(我们今天所知的印度尼西亚)等殖民地流放。”

    http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/cape-malay

    我在朝觐上遇到了一些人——非常酷的人,非常喜欢苏菲派和非常圆润的学者。 他们中的许多人的老师都在也门的哈德拉毛地区,那里有伟大的沙菲派学者居住和教学。

    如果他们继续他们所走的一般道路并且可以阻止激进化(并控制腐败),我相信他们会做得很好。

    和平:

    • 同意: Marcus
  215. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    您的首选行动方案是什么? 您认为在实际实施中最有可能成功的一个

    显然伊芬想要整个巴勒斯坦——这使他成为一个坏人。

  216. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    您认为在实际实施中最有可能成功的一个

    至于什么是务实的,我听从你的意见。

    从近乎中立的角度来看,我认为获得广泛支持的最大机会是回到几乎获得批准的 1948 年联合国计划,并再次为巴勒斯坦人提供接受两国解决方案选项的机会。 这一次,大国应该阻止阿拉伯各个国家破坏计划。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  217. @Anonymous Smith

    哎呀! 我发出了嘘声。 我在上面帖子结尾处提供的第二个视频是错误的……这是一个亲犹太复国主义的反伊斯兰作品,哈哈。 我想发布的视频可以在这里查看......

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

    对于造成混乱,我深表歉意。

  218. Sam Shama 说:
    @iffen

    唯一重要的大国是美国。 让我们今天让美国认可 1948 年的计划,然后我将全力支持它。 其他任何事情都是浪费时间和精力。 我见过我的长辈尝试和放弃太多次,我无法重走那些道路,尤其是从那以后发生了这么多事情。

    • 回复: @alexander
    , @Art
  219. Art 说:
    @iffen

    艺术: 显然伊芬想要整个巴勒斯坦——这使他成为一个坏人。

    伊芬

    我道歉 - 我错过了你的早期评论。 对不起。

    你认为巴勒斯坦人50年的痛苦和苦难是否应该得到补偿,或者西岸的加沙II是否足以满足你的正义感?

    艺术

    • 回复: @iffen
  220. alexander 说:
    @Sam Shama

    山姆,

    我认为你需要对自己诚实。

    地球上根本没有任何力量能够将一名定居者的鞋子从绿线之外移开。

    只是没有。

    • 同意: Sam Shama
  221. edNels 说:

    回到那天……当杀死土著人……(印第安人……)和其他大陆人的事情很酷时……原始人展示了他们是多么不雅……比鬣狗更像……甚至比大猴子还要……

    Sonsa 殴打......狗娘养的......向我们展示了他们真的不值得在任何让男人比所说的更好的概念中......一些蚂蚁或任何可怕的可怕的令人毛骨悚然的存在!

    “We came We sawr he died hah hah hah Qackle quacle Weeze weeze… ”

  222. iffen 说:
    @Art

    不用道歉。

    我没有解决方案。

    1948 年及之前被驱逐的巴勒斯坦人似乎应该有权获得赔偿。 这并不简单,我只知道模糊的轮廓。 那些自愿离开的人呢? 被驱逐出阿拉伯国家的犹太人呢? 那些犹太人不是自愿离开的吗?

    显然,如果以色列将其变成一个大加沙地带,那么 1948 年风格的两国解决方案将行不通。 如果按照加沙和黎巴嫩,这个民族国家是软弱的,不能阻止外部和内部团体利用巴勒斯坦攻击以色列,那么以色列人能做什么? 然后怎样呢?

  223. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    沙马先生,

    以色列的好犹太人正在提议这个 50 岁的决定 投票支持两国解决方案。

    如果它获胜,那么它会做什么是一个问题——另一个加沙或一个真正自由的巴勒斯坦民族,对巴勒斯坦人的痛苦和苦难给予公正的补偿。

    犹太人在上次选举中投票否决和平——如果 50 岁的决定 输了?

    当然,如果它输了,它将给全世界的犹太人带来负担。 所有的牌都面朝上。

    我们都知道,一个巴勒斯坦人和犹太人共同治理的国家永远不会发生。

    看起来是两种状态或地狱!

    艺术

  224. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    关于视觉艺术,我应该提到波斯/南亚风格,它以自己的方式绝对宁静而美丽。 波斯-突厥世界有时似乎对图像有更宽容的态度
    http://breakcomcs.blogspot.com/2011/03/mughal-paintings-particular-style-of.html

    • 回复: @Avery
    , @Talha
  225. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    理查德·伊顿 (Richard Eaton) 展示了伊斯兰皈依之剑的光明面。 我不相信他,可以找到不同意这一点的人。 Jizya 还强制转换。

    但无论如何,我原来的问题。 与印度/巴基斯坦/孟加拉国的所有穆斯林和平皈依(据称伊斯兰教没有强迫性......哈哈)或通过剑。 有多少百分比有印度教/其他血统? 必须至少为 85%。

    • 回复: @Talha
  226. Avery 说:
    @Marcus

    {波斯-突厥世界……}

    将“突厥语”与“波斯语”混为一谈是对 5,000 多年以来伟大、丰富、富有创造力、久坐不动的波斯文明的侮辱。

    什么所谓的“突厥”世界?
    土耳其人是破坏性的游牧民族:所有所谓的土耳其/突厥语的创意/文化都被盗取和挪用:波斯人、亚美尼亚人、亚述人、希腊人……。
    所有伟大的、丰富的、创造性的、久坐不动的文明。
    与破坏性的维吾尔族Türkoğlar 入侵者不同。

    没有“突厥世界......对图像的宽容态度......”。
    那里 is 一个充满入侵、破坏、盗窃、纵火、大规模谋杀、大规模强奸、盗窃儿童、恋童癖、强迫伊斯兰皈依、强迫土耳其化、盗窃、纵火、破坏、大规模谋杀和……种族灭绝的突厥世界。

    这就是你的“突厥”世界。
    感谢。
    非常感谢。

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  227. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    我同意,虽然我从来没有对程式化的人类漫画感兴趣——但这只是个人品味。 不过,那一页上的旭日图案非常出色,而且我非常喜欢精美的几何图案和书法(他们也擅长)。

    有趣的是,我受到这个帖子的启发,向一位印度(印度教 - 但不可知论)同事询问了他对莫卧儿人的真实想法。 他其实对他们只有赞美。 现在这很有趣,因为他来自印度南部,他们从未到达过! 他说那里的穆斯林人口约占 25%,基督徒约占 20%,每个人都相处得很好。 他说他们(维纳德王朝)是森林中的帝国,他们是沿着海岸进行所有征服的人,什么都不是(当然,直到英国人出现)。 对他来说,莫卧儿帝国是一个很好的组合,似乎丹麦人可能从抽象的意义上欣赏罗马帝国的成就,但从来没有生活在他们之下。

    艺术在某种程度上很有趣,我有点怀念过去是多么丰富多彩,每个文化和地区都有这样的区别——几乎就像鸟舍里的各种羽毛。 事实上,你在博物馆里看到的一些关于不同苏丹穿着的东西非常华丽; 刺绣、色彩丰富等。 对我们的口味来说似乎几乎是“果味”——但话又说回来,他们的妃子比我们想象的要多(我相信奥斯曼帝国的苏丹学过射箭、剑和长矛以及骑马)所以我不认为他们不必向任何人证明自己的男子气概。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Talha
  228. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    确实如此,因为印度教网站是智力完整性和客观推理的堡垒。

    我要在我的头开始受伤之前退出......我已经说出了我在这件事上真正想说的一切,任何人都可以通读我们的两篇文章,看看什么对他们的智力有吸引力。

    我想说你的 85% 数字听起来是对的——几乎我所有的老师(实践和灵性)都来自本土。

    感谢您保持清洁。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Clyde
  229. @Avery

    塔尔哈

    伊朗的纳坦兹(Natanz)是一个突厥村庄,围绕着一座古老的突厥清真寺建造,其建筑与其他清真寺的圆顶截然不同——不是圆形的圆顶,而是更多的圆锥形。

    纳坦兹当然是伊朗核设施之一的所在地。 它用作沙漠地区的发电机,向各个方向延伸数英里。 30 多年前,伊朗人开始在沙漠种植松树,用于住宅和商业用途,并在宽阔的道路上种植灌木,以防止沙漠中的沙子吹过道路。
    塔架将电线输送到眼睛所能看到的最远的地方,为计划中的住宅提供电力。 它们辅以数百甚至数千个聚集在沙漠深处的风车。 除其他外,核电站提供电力以抽水以种植树木和灌木。

    当然,所有这一切都只是在掩饰这样一个事实,即伊朗人真正想做的是制造导弹,以便阿亚图拉可以通过特拉维夫进入纽约市。

    • 哈哈: Talha
    • 回复: @Avery
  230. Talha 说:
    @Talha

    顺便提一下,该地区的大多数穆斯林与马来人和印度尼西亚人一样是沙菲派,因为他们的伊斯兰教直接来自也门和其他阿拉伯港口等地的沿海商人。

    “在印度洋商业中心的穆斯林社区中,Shaf'i madhhab 尤为突出; 遵守普通法学院是商业交易中的一个重要因素,因为它可能与争端的裁决有关。 伊本·白图泰 (Ibn Battuta) 总是乐于在 Shafi'i 法理学中表现出自己的偏爱,并指出它在马拉巴尔的穆斯林和萨穆德拉的统治家族中盛行。”

    伊斯兰联系:南亚和东南亚的穆斯林社会

    • 回复: @Marcus
  231. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    我不会推荐 PN Oak 或 NS Rajaram,但 Arun Shourie、Koenraad van Elst 和 Sita Ram Goel 等都不错。 问题似乎正在调和印度仍然强烈的反西方/理性主义情绪(我们忘记了巴基斯坦被视为美国的天然盟友,而不是出于意识形态和地缘政治原因的印度)与印度民族主义不得不大量采用的事实西方风格和战术。

    主题演讲由八十多岁的历史学家 Romila Thapar 教授主持。 与她的年龄相比,她看起来相当不错,她的纱丽优雅而端庄。 因此,她举例说明了 Sita Ram Goel 的观察,即世俗主义者经常对传统的印度教文化表现出真诚的感情,尤其是当所谓的印度教激进分子全力以赴西化时,从英式 RSS 制服和铜管乐队到当今的 BJP-促进了对美国经济习俗和文化习惯的大肆破坏。 老一辈的世俗主义者在文化上仍然非常印度化,并有一种传统的自豪感,为目前西方例子的理想化提供了一种谦逊的替代身份。 (我想起了她的同事 Irfan Habib 教授自豪的老马克思主义者拒绝美国的赞助,这与年轻一代世俗主义者和 Ambedkarites 的完全概念化和表面美国化形成鲜明对比。)

    http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2016/09/max-webers-afterglow.html

    • 回复: @Talha
  232. Marcus 说:
    @Talha

    这很有趣,从我读到的穆斯林与少数民族之间的关系来看,除了一些可怕的例外(东帝汶、巴布亚新几内亚、1960 年代的反华大屠杀)外,穆斯林与少数民族之间的关系基本上是平静的。 苏哈托被认为是美国非常重要的盟友,所以基本上是无害无犯规

    • 回复: @Talha
  233. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    一定要阅读其中一些人——Koenraad van Elst 没有留下深刻印象。 这是他写的所有印度教网站都参考的书:

    找不到“印度之声”以外的出版商,嗯? 我同意有很多人试图捏造加兹尼入侵和某些莫卧儿人统治的残酷记录——我不是那样的,你已经知道了——我会说实话。 但我不相信这是一个完全谋杀的企业(特别是因为许多印度教王国与他们一起作为附庸进行掠夺,甚至在穆斯林王国加入英国时帮助他们防御)作为想要完全杀戮的人将叙事推向另一个方向。 它是严重的少年,并且已故的西蒙迪格比等历史学家对狂野的数字进行了彻底的质疑:
    “牛津大学沃尔夫森学院的前研究员和阿什莫林博物馆东方艺术系的前助理馆长,迪格比是莫卧儿前印度最重要的英国学者,他写了几篇关于印波斯苏菲派的基础论文,并为剑桥印度经济史……”
    http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/122455

    印度教民族主义

    可能是一个彻头彻尾的笑话,因为“欧盟”正在变成这样。 首先,是否存在合理的印度教民族认同——在南方许多人通过英语与北方许多人交流的土地上? 或者这是独立后和民族国家(欧洲机构)至高无上的时代新发现的身份危机? 我要说的是,埃尔斯特对印度教民族主义者的观察非常敏锐。 我还看到穆斯林学者批评穆斯林极端分子基本上像无政府主义激进分子和共产主义游击队一样运作。

    好吧,他们必须自己弄清楚。

    和平:

  234. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    是的,这主要具有政治意义(他的宗教方面是辅助性的),尤其是在各个岛屿上。 如果你试图分裂,中央政府将镇压你,并派遣残酷的科帕苏斯分裂。 以穆斯林为主的亚齐人发现,如果你们的独立运动由穆斯林领导,政府就不会那么在意:

    http://www.war-memorial.net/Indonesia-Gvt-vs-Aceh-Liberation-movement--3.230
    http://www.stabilityjournal.org/articles/10.5334/sta.ah/

    感谢上帝,一切都结束了。

    和平:

  235. Avery 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    {当然,所有这一切都只是为了掩饰伊朗人真正想做的是制造导弹,以便阿亚图拉可以通过特拉维夫进入纽约市的一个佯装。}

    当然,这一切只是妄想的以色列人和以色列先行者的丰富想象,他们拼命地试图让美国空军为疯狂的以色列领导层做他们的肮脏行为,一心要大规模屠杀无辜的伊朗平民。

    伊朗永远不会攻击或试图攻击以色列,更不用说美国了。
    原因很简单:它将被大规模的核报复抹杀。

    什么不是佯攻,事实是以色列特工已经 谋杀 在伊朗的伊朗民用核教授。 无非是因为他们是核物理学家。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Marcus
  236. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    大多数宗教都遵守黄金法则或与之相近的东西。 伊斯兰教没有。 很多人只是靠自己,他们可能是无神论者,但他们即使不完美地实践黄金法则。

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/05/islam-and-the-golden-rule
    还有许多其他经文表明伊斯兰教中的兄弟情谊并不普遍。 非信徒没有权利,不应该像对待穆斯林一样受到对待。 整部古兰经都违反了黄金法则。

    根据穆斯林的说法,定义好与坏的不是黄金法则,而是穆罕默德。 他们认为对伊斯兰教有利的是最高的美德,对伊斯兰教不利的是终极的恶。 这是伊斯兰教对善恶的定义。 这是所有邪教的精神。 (非常简短的摘录)

    • 回复: @Talha
  237. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    Yo Avery,

    我还以为他在开玩笑呢!

    和平:

    • 回复: @Avery
  238. Avery 说:
    @Talha

    哟,塔拉:

    既然你提到了,我现在依稀记得 [SolontoCroesus] 是古老而丰富的波斯文明和琐罗亚斯德教的崇拜者。 (我觉得是同一张海报)

    我的错误:我跳了枪。
    如果有的话,对伤害的感情深感遗憾。

    • 回复: @Talha
  239. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    没问题,给我的礼物是对 Strangelove 博士的引用——啊,多么经典!

    和平:

  240. Marcus 说:
    @Avery

    就像我之前说过的那样,在那场战斗中我没有太多的狗,但以色列及其支持者的行为似乎完全反对和平解决方案。 伊朗有它的问题,但总的来说,它是一个体面的穆斯林国家,亚美尼亚和亚述基督徒甚至小犹太社区都不受干扰地生活。 相比之下,以色列/美国的萨拉菲派盟友要求彻底征服非穆斯林、戴帐篷的妇女等。 以色列官员实际上表示,消灭伊斯兰国将违背他们的利益,这显然是一场持久战。

    • 回复: @Talha
  241. Talha 说:
    @Marcus

    嘿,马库斯,

    以色列官员实际上表示,消灭达伊沙将违背他们的利益

    兄弟,你能引用一下这个吗? 我很想把它存档。 我从一些以色列智囊团那里引用了这个立场,但没有来自真正真正的政府消息来源——那将是黄金!

    和平:

    • 回复: @annamaria
  242. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    我本来想忽略这个,但我想我会在开始忽略之前先说明一些事情......

    伊斯兰教的兄弟情谊并不普遍

    部分正确。 有两个兄弟会; 1)我们所有人都是拥有权利和义务的成员的 Bani Adam(亚当的孩子)的一般之一,以及 2)Ummah 的特定之一。 乌玛有自己的兄弟情谊的权利和义务。 这是一种承诺,而不是口头上的; 我可以与其他人成为朋友、同事或共同公民,但他们不是我的兄弟,除非他们愿意站在我旁边祈祷,面对同样的朝拜并将头放在地上。 这转化为现实; 如果穆斯林军队面对非穆斯林军队,即使他们正在撤退,也允许攻击他们(见 Qadisiyah)——但对另一支穆斯林军队,这是不允许的。 “兄弟”的意思很重要——见评论#100 中我被告知的语气。 我们不是常年主义的 SJW——你想要一神教会的篝火——加入他们。

    此外,我几乎不认为我需要从一个不知道“普遍兄弟情谊”的人身上吸取教训。 我已经看到你如何谈论非白人(无论他们中的大多数人是否是基督徒),这远远超出了对当地现实的任何客观分析/批评。 所以把你的商品卖到别处——我不买。

    我去了链接,当然,关于黄金法则的整个讨论甚至没有考虑到这节经文:
    “上帝并没有禁止那些不是因为宗教与你作战,也没有将你驱逐出家的人——对他们公义,对他们采取公正的行动。 的确,上帝爱那些行事公正的人。” (60:8)

    讨论哪个实际上甚至无关紧要,因为我将要“解释”。

    非信徒没有权利,不应该像对待穆斯林一样受到对待。

    但首先...... BS。

    根据穆斯林

    我很高兴 Spencer 先生,一个叫 Ali Sina 的人,你对自己有一种夸大的看法。 如果你觉得你可以定义“伊斯兰教说什么”或“穆斯林说什么”,那么这一切都很好,任何阅读的人都有权利相信你。

    现在如果你想说服一个穆斯林,祝你好运。 你不能定义参数,我们可以——这是我们的信仰。 就像我无法定义天主教中什么是权威一样。 你想修改宗教的定义,自己想出一个。 你,Spencer 和 Ali Sina 之间围绕圣训和古兰经经文的讨论完全为零,因为你们俩都没有资格根据源文本对这个主题发表意见(因为我的水管工可以对引力波发表意见)。 事实上,我也不是。 在整个讨论中,我没有看到提到一位与您的结论持有相同观点的合法伊斯兰学者。

    更进一步,如果有人想声称“伊斯兰教说”什么,他们的举证责任是在所有四个现有的逊尼派东正教派系中表现出一致的共识(更高的标准是加入伊巴迪斯和什叶派——但逊尼派构成了一个巨大的超级多数(特别是因为 Zaydi Shiahs 实际上是逊尼派)所以我愿意将标准设置得更低)。 例如,一个人可以陈述; 伊斯兰教说,一个健康的成年人必须在斋月的白天禁食,或者禁止穆斯林女性与非穆斯林男性结婚——这两者在没有异议的情况下全线一致。 否则,人们当然可以指出,Shafi'i 学校只允许在穆斯林谋杀非穆斯林的情况下支付血金,但 Hanafi 学校(历史上和目前拥有最多的追随者)声明以血换血穆斯林可以在非穆斯林亲属的要求下被处死。 在这种情况下,只能如实说这是沙菲派或哈纳菲对此事的看法。 此外,在已灭绝的学校(如伊玛目 Awzai [ra]、Layth [ra]、Tabari [ra] 等)中诉诸晦涩的裁决只是一种绝望的行为,因为这些意见只存在于书本中,没有人练习它们——否则像诽谤这样的事情会破坏一个人的禁食。

    那么哈纳菲学者(我和大多数穆斯林所追随的学校)对“非信徒没有权利”的说法有什么看法? 伊玛目 Ibn Humam (ra) 撰写了评论 Fath ul-Qadeer(关于伊玛目 Marghinani 的原创作品 Hidaya [我目前在我的老师的指导下学习])只是写了一个非穆斯林齐米公民的荣誉; 诽谤他是非法的,就像诽谤穆斯林是非法的一样。 伊玛目 ibn Abidin (ra) 在其名为 Radd al-Muhtar 的超级评论中采纳了这一观点,他解释说对非穆斯林公民的压迫更糟,并说这是“因为根据契约性的 dhimma 契约,一切都必须对 [one我们对他有义务,所以如果诽谤穆斯林是不允许的,那么诽谤他[也]是不允许的。 事实上,他们(我们之前的学者)说对非穆斯林公民的压迫更糟。” 他接着说,一个穆斯林只要用“哦,卡菲尔(非信徒)!”之类的话来诋毁一个齐米人,就会受到当局的惩罚。 或“哦,上帝的敌人!”

    谁是伊玛目伊本阿比丁(ra)? 一位拥有如此广博知识的黎凡特奥斯曼帝国哈纳菲学者(18/19 世纪),当他出现时,就好像所有其他哈纳菲人都坐下来闭嘴倾听。 他的书,Radd ul-Muhtar,是从东方到西方训练成为 Hanafi muftis 的学生必须掌握的一本书:
    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2012/11/20/hanafi-texts-the-difference-between-primers-and-reference-works-in-islamic-law/
    http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=3408

    因此,如果您希望像我这样的人在您说“伊斯兰教说”时相信您(或注意),请提供来自 我们的学者,特别是一个参考 对某个问题的共识裁决或意见. 否则,如果你想挑战伊玛目伊本阿比丁 (ra) 的意见; 转换、研究阿拉伯语形态和语法和修辞学、逻辑、圣训科学、古兰经解经科学、圣训语料库,然后是伊玛目 Tahawi (ra)、al-Aini (ra)、Jassas (ra) 的教令参考书等从 Azhar、Sarhanpur 或 Nadwa tul-Ulama 等或其他一些哈纳菲法学研究所获得认证,然后在 15/20 年后作为穆夫提克莱德回来,我们会谈谈。

    在这一点上,我既没有时间也没有意愿去处理这个米老鼠打地鼠的胡说八道。 发挥你的作用并带来它 - 我会在这里。 否则不要浪费我的时间。

    和平:

    事实上,如果你带着你的意见或你的同乡、斯宾塞的意见,甚至是你对圣训或古兰经的直接引用(大声笑!)——我只会用 DWMT 来回应(甚至不会打字“don不要浪费我的时间”)。 出于对您时间的尊重,我给您写了一张便条,这样您就不会浪费时间写一些我会丢弃的东西。

    • 回复: @Clyde
  243. iffen 说:

    我们不是常年主义的 SJW——你想要一神教会的篝火——加入他们。

    穆斯林不唱kumbayah。

    说不是这样,塔尔哈。

    Kum ba yah(“Come by Here”)是一首在 1920 年代首次录制的灵歌。 它成为童军和夏令营中的标准篝火歌曲,并在 1950 年代和 1960 年代的民谣复兴期间享有更广泛的知名度。

    这首歌最初是简单地呼吁上帝来帮助有需要的人。

    • 回复: @Talha
  244. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    你应该以你提出的任何形式与罗伯特·斯宾塞辩论。 如果他不是太忙,我想他会接受的。 几年来我每天都去他的网站,但这是前一段时间。
    斯宾塞知道所有支持他论点的古兰经和圣训引述,所以你最好小心。 他的起源是东方教会。 我忘记了一点……也许是希腊语。 他的人民通过凶残的奥斯曼帝国亲身体验了穆斯林战争和压迫。

    您可以随意使用您喜欢的所有和平的普世经文,但不要忘记,后面来自麦地那的古兰经战争经文废除了穆罕默德失败的“好”麦加经文。 所以他创造了赫吉拉,就像你创造了赫吉拉一样。 通过 Hegira 征服的学说是为什么 XNUMX 万穆斯林“移民”Al-Muhajiroun(阿拉伯语:المهاجرون ;移民)去年在白痴默克尔的领导下闯入异教徒德国,默克尔必须是你的女主角。

    • 回复: @Talha
  245. annamaria 说:
    @Talha

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160623/1041776747/israel-prefers-isis-to-iran.html
    “虽然以色列过去曾表示,它更喜欢达伊沙,也称为伊斯兰国/伊斯兰国,而不是阿萨德领导下的叙利亚政府,但以色列军事情报局局长赫尔齐·哈莱维少将进一步采取了这一说法,他在本周的荷兹利亚会议上告诉以色列事实上,不想看到原教旨主义团体被击败。”

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/
    “以色列情报局局长:我们不希望伊斯兰国在叙利亚失败”

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Talha
    , @TOM GILES
  246. Talha 说:
    @annamaria

    谢谢安娜! 非常,非常感谢!

    和平:

  247. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    嗨,iffen,

    如果你能读完那篇长文,我深表敬意。 我希望它能解释为什么像我这样的人不会认真对待那些废话。

    感谢历史参考——我不知道这一点。

    这首歌最初是简单地呼吁上帝来帮助有需要的人。

    这就是 tahajjud 祈祷的目的 – 😉

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
  248. Talha 说:
    @annamaria

    他们已经完成了一项令人难以置信的宣传壮举,以防止公众将其隐藏!

    和平:

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  249. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    不会和斯宾塞浪费我的时间......

    斯宾塞知道所有支持他论点的古兰经和圣训引述,所以你最好小心。

    却不懂阿拉伯语……唉……

    “的哪一部分带上我们学者的证据“ 难道你不明白。 如果他想在古兰经和圣训层面进行辩论,他可以与伊斯兰国进行辩论。 他们还认为自己有资格直接阅读《古兰经》和圣训。 问题是不会有太多争论,因为他们同意这么多。

    他的人民通过凶残的奥斯曼帝国亲身体验了穆斯林战争和压迫。

    因此,他肩负着对抗土耳其人的重任,并以此为生。

    让我们不要忘记,来自麦地那的后一部古兰经战争诗句废除了“好”的麦加诗句

    我们不要忘记,这只是根据一些学者的说法,斯宾塞经常引用他们而忽略所有其他权威(如伊玛目拉齐 [ra]、Zamakhshari [ra]、Suyuti [ra]、Baydawi [ra] 等):
    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/11/06/jihad-abrogation-in-the-quran-the-verse-of-the-sword/

    DWMT。

    和平:

  250. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    SJW 正在兴高采烈地将某些东西断章取义。 以下是我提供给 Kiza 的帖子:

    https://www.unz.com/article/fifty-one-foreign-service-officers-cant-be-wrong/#comment-1463435

    https://www.unz.com/article/fifty-one-foreign-service-officers-cant-be-wrong/#comment-1463542

    如果突然出现真空,Halevy 正在谈论边境防御。 与那些忙于敲击键盘的 SJW 头脑中的无意义戏剧表演截然不同。

  251. annamaria 说:
    @Talha

    故事在继续:

    “……五角大楼和以色列人希望让努斯拉成为对抗大马士革的最强大力量。
    Ashton Carter [美国国防部长] .. 像以色列人一样......希望在叙利亚发动更多战争。 他是奥巴马政府中最强烈的反俄声音之一,他很乐意在叙利亚羞辱俄罗斯……在日内瓦谈判期间,克里每隔几分钟就会给五角大楼和白宫打电话。 未经卡特或奥巴马的批准,谈判人员甚至无法进行最小的修正案。 ”
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/pizza-and-vodka-secrets-coming-out/

    很久以前,阿什顿·卡特 (Ashton Carter) 就将自己的灵魂出卖给了通过战争牟取暴利的 ziocons:
    “从 1990 年到 1993 年,卡特担任国际安全编辑委员会主席...... 1997 年,Carter 和前中央情报局局长 John M. Deutch 共同主持了灾难性恐怖主义研究小组,该小组敦促人们更加关注恐怖主义。 1998 年,Carter、Deutch 和 Philip Zelikow(后来的 9/11 委员会执行主任)在《外交》杂志上发表了一篇关于“灾难性恐怖主义”的文章。
    卡特是 2003 年入侵伊拉克的支持者,也是对朝鲜和伊朗进行预防性战争的倡导者。 为了应对乌克兰紧张局势的加剧,卡特考虑提议在欧洲部署陆基巡航导弹,以先发制人地摧毁俄罗斯的武器。” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Carter

    One wonders whether the Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has any idea about the \$6.5 trillions that Pentagon is not able to account?

  252. 他们都崇拜罗斯柴尔德家族。 为什么每个人都害怕提及他们?

  253. @annamaria

    ISIS is mainly what was formerly known as BLACKWATER, that’s why most wear masks and are covered head to toe in arid conditions. 网易网

  254. @Chris Mallory

    罗斯柴尔德家族反对所有人,但他们自己,他们制造了这个烂摊子,而不是穆斯林。 你有点困惑。

  255. annamaria 说:
    @Talha

    现任国防部长阿什顿·卡特(Ashton Carter)“为五角大楼带来了与以色列的友谊记录:” http://forward.com/news/israel/210653/ashton-carter-brings-record-of-friendship-with-isr/
    Carter 被 ziocons 任命(从而取代了光荣的老将 Hagel),以继续 ziocons 在中东的杀戮计划。
    “哈格尔因无法深入白宫国家安全团队 [ziocon cabal] 的核心圈子而被排除在外,而且鉴于美国越来越多地参与海外冲突地区,他的撤军方法被认为不再合适...... “几乎每一届政府都将与以色列的密切军事关系作为军事优先事项,”科德斯曼在接受采访时说。 “这只是美国政治生活的一个事实。”

    看看美国/以色列与伊斯兰国和其他属于基地组织的“温和”圣战分子的合作。 http://theduran.com/us-pentagon-throws-full-support-behind-al-qaeda-syria-exclusion-zones-ready-shot-syrian-russian-planes/

    • 回复: @Clyde
  256. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    那是我想添加的维基。

    许多年前,当我的女儿还是女童子军时,我们一直在唱这首歌,所以我从现实生活中以及我们今天看到的蔑视和嘲讽中得知了这一点。

    你有我深深的敬意

    尽管我们在 UR 发现了这种情况,但您仍然坚信人类的普遍兄弟情谊,并且您决心一次又一次地向仇恨者和无知者提供事实信息。

    来自 A. Camus 的您:

    “斗争本身[……]足以填满一个人的心。 人们必须想象西西弗斯是快乐的。”

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Talha
  257. Clyde 说:
    @annamaria

    就在兄弟身上。 除了黑人,没有人了解黑人,除了穆斯林,没有人了解伊斯兰教,也没有人了解穆斯林。 您在 Unz 发布了如此多的穆斯林澄清/宣传/任何内容,您真的应该尝试在圣战观察上发布并查看您将获得的反驳论点。 也许来自斯宾塞本人。
    你给我发了一些我会读的东西,也许还有一些其他的,而在圣战观察,你的论点会更广泛地传播。 也许你会把其中一些带到你身边。

    我从你那里得到的是,唯一符合你高标准的异教徒作家是凯伦阿姆斯特朗和像她一样的人,他们是伊斯兰的深渊陷进者和亲吻者。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @annamaria
  258. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    嗨,iffen,

    从一个女童子军的父亲到另一个,我绝对没有冒犯的意思。

    每个家庭都有自己的黑羊,不是吗? 穆斯林绝对有我们的公平份额。 普遍的兄弟情谊是建立在伊斯兰精神中的。 一个人可以基于种族或其他因素认为自己比另一个人优越,并且仍然是穆斯林吗? 当然,祝你好运,让你的精神之船离开港口,你的自我将你锚定下来。

    喜欢那句话。

    和平:

  259. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    你真的应该尝试在圣战观察上发帖,看看你会得到的反驳论点

    你看到那个网站的评论部分了吗? 它使 Sailer 线程上的评论员看起来像“上流社会”。 我渴望在那个网站上发帖,就像走进精神病院关灯一样。 他们和 BLM 一样客观——你为什么不走进他们的一个会议,看看你是否可以进行一场智力对话?

    也许你会把其中一些带到你身边。

    我对说服他们任何事情都不感兴趣。 他们有自己的智力来判断自己是否被欺骗了。 如果他们喜欢这首曲子,他们可以继续跳舞——我不想破坏他们的派对。 我的目标是削弱他们对合法性主张的基础。 如果他们想声称“穆斯林”或“伊斯兰教”所宣称的实践或信仰,他们必须通过我们学者的压倒性共识来证明他们的主张,否则他们对我们源文本的解释对他们来说是好的,但是对我们来说意味着零。 没有穆斯林关心非穆斯林声称我们的古兰经所说什么,没有非穆斯林的释经是有效的,他们传播的圣训是无效的,他们的“教令”是无效的。 我们不寻求您的认可。 任何怀着学术和客观倾向阅读的人都可以阅读我所说的内容并评估我的主张(从传统的东正教逊尼派观点——整个历史上穆斯林的绝大多数声音)与他们的观点——这些人是我的听众; 你只是给我提供了一个平台。

    如果我声称所有东正教犹太人都被命令抢劫基督教儿童并吃掉他们,我最好从他们公认的拉比中拿出一些真实的东西来支持我的主张,尤其是如果我想声称这是一种绝对的做法。 他们声称我们可以通过古兰经经文强奸年轻男孩,他们并不感到羞耻——你希望我尊重吗??!!

    像伊玛目 Sarakhsi (ra) 这样的人并没有终生学习和写作 30 卷作品(部分来自牢房内的纯粹记忆):
    http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=2306

    我们的学者并没有不眠不休地保存、教授和传播这些作品,只是为了让一些古怪的人可以在互联网的某个角落开设商店,声称我们的信仰和行为(甚至不费心去学习阿拉伯语) – 阿拉伯语!)。

    唯一符合你高标准的异教徒作家是凯伦阿姆斯特朗和像她一样的人

    忽略了我的观点......虽然我们欣赏阿姆斯特朗夫人的作品(或像埃斯波西托博士这样的人),但她对我们所相信和实践的主张也只有在她通过我们历史和现存传统的合法声音来支持她的主张时才有效. 除了他们自己,他们也没有资格解释源文本。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Clyde
  260. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    顺便问一下,书上写得怎么样? 他们是否讨论过早期倭马亚人拒绝接受吉米人皈依伊斯兰教的倾向,因为他们想继续从他们的jizya 中获利?

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
  261. @Clyde

    你是说唐梅土耳其人的罪行? 即,加密犹太人?

  262. @Avery

    嗨,艾弗里,

    你知道吗——推翻奥斯曼帝国苏丹并煽动亚美尼亚种族灭绝的青年土耳其人“是由来自巴尔干地区的犹太人资助和领导的。 . . 由 Salonika 的 Emanuel Carasso 创立,当时在土耳其,现在在希腊。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Avery
  263. @Jacques Sheete

    第一个集中营是在布尔战争期间由英国人建立的,以应对布尔游击战。 大约 25,000 名妇女和儿童在那里丧生。 当然,在二战期间发起恐怖爆炸的是英国人,而不是德国人。 (鹿特丹和华沙是主要军事目标的辅助对象,英国人故意轰炸前线后方的平民目标。尽管与美国人不同,英国人至少可以诚实地承认,如果他们失去了目标,他们将被作为战犯起诉。战争。)不要忘记孟加拉的强迫饥荒杀死了 2M。 我几乎没有触及英国背信弃义的表面,足以说他们杀死的人比德国人实际被指控的任何事情都多。

    • 同意: SolontoCroesus
  264. Talha 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    嘿S2C,

    在非常成功的“复仇行动”中,同样的年轻土耳其人领导层被亚美尼亚刺客清算,因为他们逃脱了绞刑架:

    “1921 年,一群紧密团结的杀手开始为近 XNUMX 万亚美尼亚种族灭绝受害者的死亡报仇。 他们是一群不起眼的人:会计师、人寿保险推销员、报纸编辑、工程专业的学生和外交官。 他们一起组成了历史上最有效的暗杀小组之一。 他们以希腊复仇女神的名字命名他们的行动复仇女神。 刺客是幸存者,他们被摧毁了他们人民的巨大悲剧所定义。 在三大洲的特工中,复仇女神小队在柏林、君士坦丁堡、梯弗里斯和罗马杀死了六名土耳其主要领导人,随后解散并突然消失。 ”

    和平:

    • 回复: @Avery
  265. Avery 说:
    @Talha

    哟,塔拉:

    感谢您的职位。
    不胜感激。

    • 回复: @Talha
  266. Avery 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    哟,索隆托克洛伊斯:

    我(我们)都知道。
    我们知道 Dönmeh。
    我们知道 ADL 和爬行动物 Abe Foxman 在他们的全球 AG 否认运动中与土耳其人合作。 和所有其他人。
    我们知道以色列国在 NKR 战争(1988-1994 年)期间帮助突厥阿塞拜疆人试图消灭阿尔扎赫的土著亚美尼亚人。 与今年四月的四天战争相同。
    我们都知道。

    但由于世界范围内的亚美尼亚人数量很少,而且我们的资源非常有限,我们必须专注于小亚细亚(土耳其)的奥斯曼利土耳其人和阿塞拜疆的高加索土耳其人(又名里海土耳其人):这两个国家对亚美尼亚人构成真正的生存威胁。高加索(亚美尼亚和纳戈尔诺-卡拉巴赫)。

    请放心,我们不会忘记也不会忘记。
    所有帐目都会及时结清。

  267. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    是的,他确实提到了这一点。 显然,对于该主题的任何知识渊博的学者来说,许多穆斯林精英很快意识到,“嘿,等一下,必须有人纳税。” 他还说,关于琐罗亚斯德教徒和佛教徒,获得了一项裁决,表明虽然他们实际上没有在书中提到,但他们是等效的,应该被授予齐米地位。

    我喜欢为我的无知打开窗户。

    我从来不知道 Ghassanids 和 Lakhmids。 我知道黎凡特的许多基督教和其他宗教教派和团体,以及不同的语言团体,但这本书真的让我把它带回家了。 谈谈你的多元文化!

    拜占庭、西罗马帝国和萨珊王朝的边疆都遵循着同样的模式; foederati 到处都是。 阿拉伯人在到达他们征服的远方时采用了这种做法。 我记下了在战败的萨珊帝国边缘与突厥部落达成的协议。 像日耳曼部落一样,我认为这些突厥部落后来出现在另一个角色中。

    我不是想救 kum ba yah。 我和任何人一样悲观和怀疑。 一旦一个词的意思发生变化,它通常不会被收回。 我们可以问问波莉安娜。

    • 回复: @Talha
  268. Clyde 说:
    @Talha

    如果他们想声称“穆斯林”或“伊斯兰”所宣称的实践或信仰,他们必须通过我们学者的压倒性共识来证明他们的主张,否则他们对我们源文本的解释对他们来说是好的,但是对我们来说意味着零。

    你可以声称零意味着你想要的一切,但我对穆斯林世界及其许多圣战(大约 20 个正在进行)的看法是基于穆斯林的行为。 学者和宗教理论很重要,但对我来说行动更重要。 谈话很便宜。 伊斯兰教和穆斯林的行为和行动更具启发性。
    正在进行的圣战,例如在欧洲、菲律宾、马来西亚、克什米尔、中东,仅在那里就有大约五个圣战!

    • 回复: @Talha
  269. Talha 说:
    @Clyde

    这是一些合理的批评,我对穆斯林每天犯下的血腥疯狂持相同的看法。 毫无疑问,穆斯林世界正在发生权威危机,这一危机是由于萨拉菲/瓦哈比思想的出现而引发的,这些思想在 19 世纪中叶左右开始传播,并因 . 有点像欧洲宗教改革的阵痛,但还没有达到那种程度的暴力……还没有。

    学者和宗教理论是……

    ……什么是“伊斯兰教”……

    但行动……

    ……是穆斯林犯下的罪行——世界上有许多穆斯林喝酒——有些是在我的大家庭里——以将失败归咎于伊斯兰教义是乏味的。

    伊斯兰教的行动

    当你看到“伊斯兰教”表演时,请为我拍张照片并发送。 同样,当你看到“杰斐逊民主”四处走动时——我想知道它穿什么衣服,早餐喜欢吃什么。

    有些圣战是合法的,有些则不是——这取决于具体情况。 例如,逊尼派和什叶派发出的反对美国入侵伊拉克的武器呼吁具有合法性,并得到了世界各地顶尖学者的支持。 伊斯兰国目前的呼吁——不是那么多。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Talha
  270. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    Yo Avery,

    没问题。 我和世俗民族主义土耳其人之间几乎没有失去任何爱,他们在追求纯粹的土耳其乌托邦的过程中,粗暴地践踏了成千上万无辜人民的灵魂——并将我的宗教之名拖入泥潭。

    和平:

  271. Talha 说:
    @Talha

    哎呀——提交得太早了……本来想说……

    “……加剧了……”传播这些边缘意识形态的巨额石油美元资金。 当瓦哈比极端分子出现时,我提到的伊玛目伊本阿比丁(ra)将他们称为当代卡瓦里吉和奥斯曼帝国,他们用两支野战军队摧毁了他们。 然后英国人来了,给了他们最高的账单——这在英国对他们来说如何?

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/16/man-found-guilty-of-murdering-rochdale-imam-jalal-uddin-6132500/

    一名 71 岁的伊玛目在公共操场上被锤子殴打致死——我相信这种行为的允许性隐藏在像 Fatawa Alamghiri 这样的书中,或者是由伊玛目 Daqiq al-Eid (ra) 或伊玛目等即将到来的学者宣布的Izz Ibn Abdus-Salaam (ra) – 我显然只是不够努力。 或者,也许只是Daesh不知道他们在说什么......

    但这一切都是值得的,因为圣战是非常好的生意:
    “武器贸易活动的新研究(CAAT)表示,自卡梅隆先生在2010年24月选举以来的近六年中,英国已将武器销售为其本身列入”人道主义令人担忧的国家“列表中的27个国家的XNUMX个州。”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-has-sold-56bn-of-military-hardware-to-saudi-arabia-under-david-cameron-research-reveals-a6797861.html

    和平:

  272. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    亲爱的iffen,

    好东西!

    他们是等价的,应该被授予 dhimmi 身份

    那是巨大的——感谢上帝! 如果 Companions 做出不同的解释(他们一致的先例是我们在实践中的例子),那将是非常非常严峻的……

    阿拉伯人接受了这种做法

    的确,最早一代的天才在于他们意识到了自己的局限性,并保持了盛行的秩序:
    “政府管理和经济中的职位对齐米人开放。 事实上,从阿拉伯征服到 XNUMX 世纪初,政府的语言在伊拉克仍然是波斯语,在埃及和叙利亚仍然是希腊语。 只有齐米人,尤其是基督徒,才具备维持政府运作的语言和行政技能。 即使在 XNUMX 世纪后期哈里发阿卜杜勒·马利克 (Caliph Abd al-Malik) 领导下阿拉伯化开始之后,齐米人仍继续担任政府中的重要职位。”
    http://www.syriacstudies.com/2013/07/09/christians-and-jews-under-islam-najib-saliba-phd/

    与今天的傻瓜不同,他们认为他们的意识形态会神奇地保持发电厂的运转或污水管道的畅通,即使你砍掉了世俗专家的负责人的脑袋。

    我想这些突厥部落后来才出现

    男孩他们有没有! 我不会破坏任何东西——这本书听起来很棒! 我会向其他人推荐它。

    我和任何人一样悲观和怀疑。

    我的建议; 持怀疑态度,但要乐观——世界需要更多。 一个充满希望(而不是幼稚)的社会更有可能长寿。 这至少是我在整个历史中看到的模式。

    和平:

  273. 萨曼莎权力学校拉夫罗夫,普京,阿萨德的微妙外交艺术

    身为 Merkun 不是让你感到自豪吗?

    • 回复: @Avery
    , @RobinG
  274. Avery 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    错误的 YouTube 链接

    这是一个可怕的骗子的视频,将 80 名 SAA 部队的“错误”故意杀害归咎于所有人和他的兄弟——但下令“错误”的华盛顿罪犯。

    [[全文]萨曼莎·鲍尔将一切归咎于俄罗斯/为美国在叙利亚的行动辩护]

    还有一个是上路:穿着优雅的美国代表 Samantha Power。
    (这是这个国家沉没的程度)。
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/unbelievably-pathetic-groveling-kievs-klimkin-samantha-power-un/ri10572
    (向下滚动到图片)

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  275. Talha 说:
    @Avery

    Yo Avery,

    是的,这一点将很难掩盖——我认为除了绝对宣传最多的人之外,没有人相信我们政府对这个故事的看法。

    哇——胆! 我不敢相信他们会在俄罗斯人那里做到这一点!!!

    和平:

  276. @Avery

    权力是一个可恶的愚蠢婊子。

    斯大林格勒之后,柏林的一个聪明人写下了一些涂鸦,“享受战争吧,和平将是可怕的”。 我想说美国人最好注意一下,但老实说,他们他妈的太愚蠢了,无法意识到行动会产生后果的事实。

  277. RobinG 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    推文由
    @DanielleRyanJ

    警告,虚伪过度:萨曼莎·鲍尔指责俄罗斯在联合国“道德化和哗众取宠”。

  278. annamaria 说:
    @Clyde

    “就在哥哥身上。”

    我的帖子是否冒犯了你对阿什顿卡特的看法?

    这是该帖子的一个要点:“哈格尔因无法突破白宫国家安全团队 [ziocon cabal] 的核心圈子而被赶下台,并且因为他的撤军方法被认为不再合适,因为美国卷入海外冲突地区…… “几乎每一届政府都将与以色列的密切军事关系作为军事优先事项,”科德斯曼在接受采访时说。 “这只是美国政治生活的一个事实。”

    道格拉斯·费斯 (Douglas Feith) 对朗上校使用了驱逐有原则的专业人员的同样可耻的过程: http://www.mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/drinking-kool-aid?print
    朗上校是谁? – “美国军事情报局和美国陆军特种部队(绿色贝雷帽)的退休高级官员”。 他曾在国防部担任现役军官和国防部高级行政人员多年。 他是美国多次海外冲突(包括越南战争)中获得高度荣誉的退伍军人。 他接受了美国陆军作为中东专家的培训和教育,并在该地区服役多年……” http://turcopolier.typepad.com/about.html
    道格拉斯·费斯是谁? – 以色列先行者: http://davidswanson.org/node/756 他也被称为“地球上他妈的最愚蠢的人”: http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2007/04/more-proof-douglas-feith-is-idiot.html
    ziocon 阴谋集团一直在驱逐中东的军事专家,同时引进无原则的抱有抱负的野心家(参见 Ash Carter、Doug Feith 和卑鄙的 Wolfowitz)。
    卡特作为 Def Sec 的使命有什么不清楚的地方? - 他是战争奸商和以色列先行者的梦想。
    或者您可能不喜欢有关美国/以色列与 ISIS 合作的声明? ——然后用事实反驳。
    “以色列军方承认支持叙利亚圣战者:” http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/07/israeli-military-admits-to-supporting-syrian-jihadis.html
    “美国将军:西方创建了 ISIS:” https://americanfreepress.net/general-blows-whistle-on-islamic-state/
    “以色列情报部门负责人:我们不希望 ISIS 在叙利亚被击败:” http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/

  279. Anonymous [AKA "Dreyfus"] 说:
    @falcemartello

    你忘了突尼斯和埃及在你的名单上。 阿拉伯之春是中央情报局的产物。 美国也与这些国家完全没有业务往来。 那么,为什么我们要攻击他们? 为什么我们将一个美好而现代的国家变成了废墟,就像叙利亚这个中东最亲西方的国家? 答案只有一个:以色列,没有原谅叙利亚领导人阿萨德是俄罗斯和伊朗的朋友……几十年来,以色列一直利用美国作为代理人进行战争和军事干预。 我们把伤亡人数放在一边,而以色列不会冒一个士兵的风险。 我仍然保留着内塔尼亚胡访问特拉维夫一家医院的照片,那里有几名在行动中受伤的 ISIS 恐怖分子。

  280. franklin 说:

    How many of YOUR America’s \$4+BILLION in WELFARE given to Israel every year comes back to America in the form of BRIBES to “american” politicians? Traitors voting to give Israel MORE, so they can get bigger BRIBES.

    我们给予以色列的所有福利都是非法的 http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/08/13/479869/US-aid-Israel-illegal-

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